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2017-05-01T00:26:12 < Steffanx> Why i have never seen http://autopsy.io/ here?
2017-05-01T00:47:09 < Steffanx> stvvn
2017-05-01T00:47:26 < Steffanx> Sky
2017-05-01T00:47:28 < Steffanx> and bed
2017-05-01T00:47:53 < Steffanx> Too cold for that.
2017-05-01T00:48:23 < Steffanx> 11C.
2017-05-01T00:48:58 < upgrdman> safe building demolishing in china  https://i.imgur.com/2get8kU.gifv
2017-05-01T00:49:44 < Steffanx> ive seen worse.
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2017-05-01T00:56:09 < Steffanx> I wish you a happy monday crt.
2017-05-01T00:56:43 < Steffanx> Maybe the capacitors with you.
2017-05-01T00:56:59 < Steffanx> +be
2017-05-01T00:59:11 < Steffanx> Shake up the electrolyte?
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2017-05-01T01:22:23 < branjb> Steffanx: that's a p good site
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2017-05-01T01:27:12 < branjb> Steffanx: on second thought, most of those "Ideas" seem like dotcom garbage
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2017-05-01T01:54:55 < englishman> wait til you see juicero
2017-05-01T01:55:59 < branjb> is that the juicer that VCs put billions into?
2017-05-01T01:56:49 < branjb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1339026152/electron-fidget-spinner?ref=nav_search
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2017-05-01T02:10:04 < branjb> >Makes me think I should have chosen to be a sleazy MBA entrepreneur getting $millions for bad ideas rather than an underappreciated engineer getting $nothing for good ideas.
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2017-05-01T02:51:47 < jadew> branjb, you just figured that the best way in life?
2017-05-01T02:52:47 < jadew> *that's
2017-05-01T03:08:13 < Streaker> Who told me atollic is free software?
2017-05-01T03:08:37 < Streaker> "enter a valid business email to download"
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2017-05-01T03:29:43 < karlp> Streaker: yeah, that person was being a little bit liberal.
2017-05-01T03:30:08 < karlp> it's now free for use, it was completely payware, but it's not "free"
2017-05-01T03:32:05 < Streaker> I sympathize. It's ok if you're giving away your software free because you believe in FOSS. it's sad when you're forced to give away your software because the competition is free.
2017-05-01T03:33:09 < karlp> it's not a bad option. it's well integrated, but all the good useful well integrated stuff is in the pay verison
2017-05-01T03:33:54 < karlp> and I'd be hard pressed to pay $100/month for it...
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2017-05-01T03:50:39 < englishman> branjb: be sure to ask R2COM for financial advice, if you want to make huge coin as an engineer
2017-05-01T03:52:28 < englishman> why is that spinner thing 125k goal
2017-05-01T03:53:56 < jadew> englishman, I was wondering the same thing
2017-05-01T03:54:34 < jadew> why would anyone want to buy that anyway?
2017-05-01T03:59:53 < branjb> you guys clearly haven't been anywhere near a college campus lately
2017-05-01T04:00:08 < branjb> kids their play with toys (ie, fidgets) like fucking 10 year olds
2017-05-01T04:00:17 < branjb> there*
2017-05-01T04:06:43 < englishman> lol branjb
2017-05-01T04:06:50 < englishman> students never change
2017-05-01T04:07:14 < branjb> that's exactly who it's marketing towards though
2017-05-01T04:07:20 < branjb> retarded 16-22 year olds
2017-05-01T04:08:14 < jadew> I remember when I first saw one of those spinning things with LEDs 17 years ago
2017-05-01T04:08:22 < jadew> even back then I thought it was stupid
2017-05-01T04:08:28 < branjb> lol
2017-05-01T04:09:03 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/popular/wrist-ball.html
2017-05-01T04:09:21 < branjb> what is that
2017-05-01T04:09:30 < branjb> some kind of LED dreidel?
2017-05-01T04:09:53 < englishman> makes you jacked, bro http://i.imgur.com/x4gmRLQ.jpg
2017-05-01T04:10:03 < branjb> o shit
2017-05-01T04:11:27 < englishman> found R2COM's gun http://i.imgur.com/dWzro4G.jpg
2017-05-01T04:12:13 < branjb> the best part of that image
2017-05-01T04:12:18 < branjb> S.NAVY
2017-05-01T04:12:23 < branjb> fucking seamens
2017-05-01T04:15:48 < englishman> rambo
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2017-05-01T05:14:27 < englishman> crt: ar15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfsRJWRB8iA
2017-05-01T05:21:47 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah. im thinking of updating my desktop. chrome looks slightly differently fucked on my laptop which is already running cretin update.
2017-05-01T05:21:55 < dongs> its still fucked tho
2017-05-01T05:22:12 < dongs> i think ma ybe cuz my desktop is using "fixed' scaling of 125% instead of the one control panel
2017-05-01T05:23:17 < dongs> fuck off
2017-05-01T05:23:27 < dongs> win7 was EOL like 5 years ago
2017-05-01T05:33:10 < englishman> why would you use anything but win10
2017-05-01T05:33:20 < englishman> i can understand old crap in a vm
2017-05-01T05:34:04 < englishman> "thats how we've always done it" didnt get you where you are now
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2017-05-01T05:48:03 < ohsix> sup
2017-05-01T05:56:20 < ohsix> zyp: six years wut
2017-05-01T05:57:53 < ohsix> aadamson: what can LoRa do for that kind of thing? haven't read much about it yet
2017-05-01T06:01:11 < ohsix> Steffanx: that's mostly software shit (autopsy)
2017-05-01T06:01:40 < dongs> nuice
2017-05-01T06:01:42 < ohsix> Streaker: :o you might check out platformio
2017-05-01T06:01:42 < dongs> CY4500 is here
2017-05-01T06:02:36 < dongs> wow that box haha
2017-05-01T06:02:41 < ohsix> crt: were you going to get some of those busted modules?
2017-05-01T06:02:44 < dongs> its like hard paper with magnetic lid
2017-05-01T06:02:46 < dongs> wtf, waste
2017-05-01T06:02:49 < ohsix> kind of interested in reverse engineering them
2017-05-01T06:04:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4biBjuY.jpg
2017-05-01T06:04:37 < dongs> wau. 6 layer pcb
2017-05-01T06:04:51 < ohsix> Steffanx: heh some of these are funny tho, NewsTilta platform for the new model of journalismweren’t intrinsically motivated by news and journalism
2017-05-01T06:04:57 < ohsix> you don't say!
2017-05-01T06:05:15 < Streaker> PlatformIO downloads required toolchains and installs them automatically.
2017-05-01T06:05:21 < dongs> stonerIO
2017-05-01T06:05:40 < Streaker> ...so it's a python script to download shit?
2017-05-01T06:06:30 < ohsix> Steffanx: so far the only one i recognize is formspring, and lul http://blog.capwatkins.com/formspring-a-postmortem
2017-05-01T06:06:40 < ohsix> Streaker: nope
2017-05-01T06:07:59 < dongs> Streaker: fyi, o6 has been trying to setup stm32 compiler toolchain for the last 3 years
2017-05-01T06:08:03 < dongs> maybe 4
2017-05-01T06:08:07 < Streaker> whats special about it?
2017-05-01T06:08:08 < dongs> i don't think he's built a single project yet
2017-05-01T06:08:34 < ohsix> well, it's free for real
2017-05-01T06:08:37 < ohsix> atom is kind of nice
2017-05-01T06:08:45 < ohsix> but eh it actually worked
2017-05-01T06:08:51 < englishman> if you were using keil your project would be done by now
2017-05-01T06:09:00 < upgrdman> isnt atom the text editor that uses 600MB of ram?
2017-05-01T06:09:05 < upgrdman> even my java shit isnt that bad
2017-05-01T06:09:19 < englishman> yea its the chrome of text editors, because it is chrome
2017-05-01T06:09:33 < ohsix> 20520 ohsix    /usr/share/atom/atom --type        0   548.6M   560.8M   598.1M
2017-05-01T06:09:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol i was pretty fukken close huh
2017-05-01T06:10:08 < ohsix> not going to defend it, but the only thing i'd really compare it to was eclipse, and there are no jokes to be had at eclipse's expense
2017-05-01T06:10:10 < ohsix> ya
2017-05-01T06:10:46 < ohsix> you know what's weird tho, how many people are using visual studio code
2017-05-01T06:11:00 < ohsix> like to the degree that i can't ignore it and have to check it ou :\
2017-05-01T06:11:08 < upgrdman> so does chrome have an excuse for wasting ram/cpu, or is it just "it works now, no need to improve"
2017-05-01T06:12:48 < dongs> chrome is also a huge battery hog on mobile
2017-05-01T06:12:51 < dongs>  / laptops
2017-05-01T06:13:16 < upgrdman> hmm my diy pcb vid already has 320 views in <24hrs. maybe i should do more of that.
2017-05-01T06:13:56 < upgrdman> guess i could etch a pcb for arduino+fpga for the SEO
2017-05-01T06:14:08 < dongs> whats the viewership distribution
2017-05-01T06:14:17 < dongs> 95% from india?
2017-05-01T06:14:19 < upgrdman> dongs, dist by what? age?
2017-05-01T06:14:22 < upgrdman> oh country
2017-05-01T06:14:24 < upgrdman> lets see
2017-05-01T06:15:21 < dongs> ya location
2017-05-01T06:15:50 < englishman> plz
2017-05-01T06:16:04 < englishman> americans are most likely to view that crap
2017-05-01T06:16:14 < englishman> indians know that pro pcb fabs are just around the corner
2017-05-01T06:16:37 < englishman> pcbinder
2017-05-01T06:16:39 < upgrdman> my top five geographies: 28% usa, 7% germany, 6% uk, 5% india, canada 4%
2017-05-01T06:16:41 < englishman> sanjitfab
2017-05-01T06:16:41 < dongs> holy shit. CY4500 is *amazing*
2017-05-01T06:16:45 < dongs> huge props to R2COMmie
2017-05-01T06:16:54 < upgrdman> and 5.1% of my videos are women
2017-05-01T06:17:00 < upgrdman> or google thinks theyre women at least
2017-05-01T06:17:05 < upgrdman> s/videos/viewers
2017-05-01T06:17:13 < dongs> they're there for your hairy arms
2017-05-01T06:17:18 < upgrdman> yes
2017-05-01T06:17:23 < dongs> y/n/m
2017-05-01T06:17:25 < dongs> thought so
2017-05-01T06:17:29 < englishman> does cy4500 literally analyze two slow as fuck logic level lines
2017-05-01T06:17:33 < dongs> yes
2017-05-01T06:17:37 < englishman> amaze
2017-05-01T06:17:39 < dongs> and prints it out in excel
2017-05-01T06:17:56 < englishman> sounds like a day's work for arduino and Go
2017-05-01T06:18:09 < ohsix> ff too much adult at once, hem in pants came out and i don't know how to put it back
2017-05-01T06:18:12 < dongs> well, i freelance at $100/hr
2017-05-01T06:18:16 < dongs> so unless it takes me 2 hours
2017-05-01T06:18:19 < dongs> for a complete working product
2017-05-01T06:18:29 < dongs> including inline pcb with all the shitty connectors etc
2017-05-01T06:18:39 < dongs> i'd say this is a well worthwhile investment
2017-05-01T06:18:56 < englishman> what does it do that saleaeclone doesnt
2017-05-01T06:19:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: mostly policy decisions on how stuff is stored, favoring sp333d over memory use and stuff
2017-05-01T06:19:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, k
2017-05-01T06:19:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/WzTKOHN.png < this
2017-05-01T06:19:58 < ohsix> there was a lot to read about it circa 2012 or something
2017-05-01T06:20:17 < ohsix> the multiprocess model is another aspect of that decision
2017-05-01T06:20:43 < ohsix> each process can keep working without a lot of overhead for shit you can't see anyways
2017-05-01T06:20:49 < upgrdman> dongs, what do the green corner markers mean
2017-05-01T06:20:54 < upgrdman> formatted data?
2017-05-01T06:21:07 < dongs> no, its excel shit meaning data isnt stored in the most optimal format
2017-05-01T06:21:13 < upgrdman> o
2017-05-01T06:21:15 < dongs> like, i think their exporter just dumps it all as strings
2017-05-01T06:21:29 < dongs> cuz numbers are left-aligned
2017-05-01T06:21:32 < englishman> why is that useful tho, do you plug and unplug every 500us?
2017-05-01T06:21:42 < ohsix> that is less sophisticated than my helmet data logger
2017-05-01T06:21:44 < dongs> englishman: its useful to know what teh actual communications are
2017-05-01T06:22:04 < englishman> is it more than just pulling the cc lines around?
2017-05-01T06:22:12 < dongs> yes, didnt you see teh imgur.
2017-05-01T06:22:20 < dongs> there's power negotiation stuff and a bunch of VDM
2017-05-01T06:22:20 < englishman> dono $200 seems fine
2017-05-01T06:22:23 < dongs> VDM is what im after
2017-05-01T06:22:28 < englishman> r2com needs his 60k/year
2017-05-01T06:22:42 < ohsix> heheh it's kind of funny how few xulrunner apps there were, and how many hack shits are based on chrome/blink/whatever
2017-05-01T06:22:43 < dongs> yea the price is fine, its a lab tool.
2017-05-01T06:22:51 < dongs> not some freebie devboard
2017-05-01T06:23:10 < englishman> speaking of lab tools heres flyback
2017-05-01T06:23:17 < dongs> true
2017-05-01T06:23:25 < dongs> he should submit his anus for lab testing
2017-05-01T06:25:03 < englishman> btw does anyone know how to bring the mass murder unto moles
2017-05-01T06:25:26 < dongs> whatsa a mole
2017-05-01T06:25:31 < dongs> like, critter?
2017-05-01T06:25:34 < englishman> yes
2017-05-01T06:25:39 < dongs> ya gas that shit
2017-05-01T06:25:50 < ohsix> uhh heh upgrdman i see one thing that could cut memory use immediately, on the top level there's a bunch of pictures of people
2017-05-01T06:25:50 < dongs> N2 or something into the holes.
2017-05-01T06:25:52 < englishman> what do you mean
2017-05-01T06:25:55 < ohsix> oh i guess from opening the installer
2017-05-01T06:25:56 < dongs> the shit that stays low
2017-05-01T06:26:01 < englishman> like a heavier-than-air gas
2017-05-01T06:26:03 < dongs> yea
2017-05-01T06:26:10 < englishman> hmm
2017-05-01T06:26:17 < englishman> propane is heavier than air?
2017-05-01T06:26:18 < englishman> oh
2017-05-01T06:26:25 < dongs> flycack wants to explode them
2017-05-01T06:26:27 < dongs> that probly works too
2017-05-01T06:26:31 < englishman> while exploding= fun i dono
2017-05-01T06:26:41 < englishman> they cover up a lot of their holes
2017-05-01T06:26:55 < Streaker> now if a mole got into flybacks ass
2017-05-01T06:27:04 < englishman> subterranean niggers in my garlic
2017-05-01T06:27:23 < Streaker> and you had to blow it up with acetylene
2017-05-01T06:27:37 < upgrdman> ya
2017-05-01T06:27:42 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvyR5CR6-1A
2017-05-01T06:27:43 < upgrdman> moleinator or something on youtube
2017-05-01T06:27:52 < ohsix> flyback has ricks megaseeds
2017-05-01T06:28:13 < englishman> lol thats just a propane tulip
2017-05-01T06:28:30 < englishman> does that really kill moles tho or just destroy 2 week old mole holes
2017-05-01T06:30:04 < englishman> that looks good
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2017-05-01T06:33:47 < dongs> those fucking sounds
2017-05-01T06:33:48 < dongs> what the hell
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2017-05-01T06:37:00 < englishman> hmm
2017-05-01T06:37:49 < dongs> fucking ben hecjk
2017-05-01T06:38:34 < dongs> no the GAY MUSIC
2017-05-01T06:38:58 < Streaker> https://youtu.be/vAfJG1PMjbY
2017-05-01T06:39:14 < Streaker> I want to play
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2017-05-01T06:41:25 < englishman> wow
2017-05-01T06:41:33 < dongs> that looks like fun
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2017-05-01T06:58:12 < branjb> ohsix: what fpga you use?
2017-05-01T06:58:35 < dongs> AHAHAHAHAAAHAH
2017-05-01T06:58:42 < dongs> joke of the century right here boys
2017-05-01T06:58:45 < dongs> < branjb> ohsix: what fpga you use?
2017-05-01T06:58:52 < branjb> dongs: did r2com make CY4500?
2017-05-01T06:59:15 < dongs> id lik to think he did but i dbout it
2017-05-01T07:01:40 < englishman> he probably got coffee and wrote email signatures for the guy who did
2017-05-01T07:01:51 < branjb> oh is the joke that ohsix doesn't actually use any
2017-05-01T07:02:08 < dongs> doens't actually do anything, yes
2017-05-01T07:11:31 < ohsix> branjb: i have an altera devkit thing but i haven't used it
2017-05-01T07:16:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: dunno where most of it is but 200m is in 5000 html elements (div and shit) http://i.imgur.com/Iy13Dg1.png
2017-05-01T07:17:20 < ohsix> no task manager type thing that i've found yet
2017-05-01T07:17:25 < ohsix> or chrome://memory
2017-05-01T07:18:58 < ohsix> heh it's kind of neat you can view/change the whole editor in the developer tools, this is kind of like wat the smalltalk dudes wanted to do back in the day
2017-05-01T07:21:10 < ohsix> jhhhahahjg
2017-05-01T07:21:23 < ohsix> the numbers in the trough all have explicit styles
2017-05-01T07:21:28 < ohsix> this can't be a good idea
2017-05-01T07:24:33 < ohsix> fun things to do with someones atom instance: open devtools and disable javascript
2017-05-01T07:32:19 < ohsix>   464 ohsix    /home/ohsix/crap/arduino-1.        0   975.1M   976.4M   994.1M
2017-05-01T07:32:55 < ohsix> hrm there's another atom thing running thats 90mb too
2017-05-01T07:33:30 < ohsix> anyways, eclipse can't touch thissss
2017-05-01T07:37:05 < ohsix> it is very strange that i might end up using visual studio again in some way
2017-05-01T07:37:42 < branjb> visual studio has grown on me
2017-05-01T07:38:08 < branjb> had to use it for cshit and ended up using visualgdb with it
2017-05-01T07:38:39 < ohsix> i don't even know where vscode fits into the whole thing
2017-05-01T07:38:42 < ohsix> it's open source tho
2017-05-01T07:38:49 < dongs> at least you get shit done
2017-05-01T07:43:09 < branjb> i wouldn't go that far
2017-05-01T07:43:13 < dongs> heres $0 version of the cypress board: https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/twinkie
2017-05-01T07:43:17 < dongs> if your time is worthless, that is
2017-05-01T07:43:29 < dongs> check out the 'sigrok' build instructions
2017-05-01T07:43:34 < dongs> miles and miles of obscure command lines
2017-05-01T07:43:47 < dongs> meanwhile im already done analyzing the shit needed to get my stuff working
2017-05-01T07:44:22 < dongs> On a Linux system, you get the console as a  /dev/ttyUSBn device using the usbserial kernel module :
2017-05-01T07:44:25 < dongs> like, fucking seriosuly?
2017-05-01T07:44:28 < dongs> echo '18d1 500A' | sudo tee /sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers/generic/new_id
2017-05-01T07:44:28 < dongs> what the fuck does this even mean
2017-05-01T07:44:33 < dongs> how can a normal human being know this kind of shit
2017-05-01T07:46:38 < branjb> man:: why did you get a divorce?
2017-05-01T07:46:55 < dongs> who?
2017-05-01T07:47:10 < dongs> divorce with lunix?
2017-05-01T07:47:15 < ohsix> that's how you get usb-serial to bind to a device it doesn't know about but it works with an existing driver
2017-05-01T07:47:39 < ohsix> i was talking with someone about usbpd the other day olol
2017-05-01T07:47:42 < branjb> [branjb@athena:21]> man:: why did you get a divorce?
2017-05-01T07:47:43 < branjb> man::: Too many arguments.
2017-05-01T07:47:53 < dongs> oh, lunix jokes
2017-05-01T07:48:08 < ohsix> it would be cool to make a thing to just tell the pack to output given current/voltage & just use it as a variable power supply
2017-05-01T07:48:16 < dongs> im surprised you were able to type 21 commands without lunix crashing
2017-05-01T07:48:39 < dongs> amirite y/y/y
2017-05-01T07:48:42 < branjb> y
2017-05-01T07:48:59 < branjb> you know what the best troll is
2017-05-01T07:49:07 < ohsix> being born
2017-05-01T07:49:09 < branjb> if someone leaves their linux terminal unguarded
2017-05-01T07:49:17 < branjb> delete their path
2017-05-01T07:49:31 < branjb> and any backups
2017-05-01T07:49:42 < ohsix> why not just shit in their coffee
2017-05-01T07:49:49 < dongs> the best troll is the fact that they're trolling themselves by trying to use lunix on desktop
2017-05-01T07:49:54 < branjb> haha
2017-05-01T07:49:56 < dongs> you can't really top that
2017-05-01T07:50:04 < branjb> but it's ~open source~
2017-05-01T07:51:20 < dongs> LUNIX COCKS
2017-05-01T07:52:15 < ohsix> lul  6322 ohsix    /usr/share/code/code --type        0    96.3M   110.2M   164.2M
2017-05-01T07:52:21 < ohsix> code is doing nothing but that's a big diff
2017-05-01T07:53:24 < englishman> that looks like a hardware version of a typical chromium project
2017-05-01T07:53:30 < dongs> haha
2017-05-01T07:53:45 < dongs> so you mean, halfassed broken shit?
2017-05-01T07:53:52 < ohsix> jeeze it loads shit up from all over
2017-05-01T07:53:58 < branjb> remember when the internet didn't suck?
2017-05-01T07:54:16 < ohsix> chrome is a chromium project
2017-05-01T07:54:36 < dongs> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-man-gets-15-years-for-shooting-5-black-lives-matter-protesters/?
2017-05-01T07:55:10 < dongs> black lives are cheap
2017-05-01T07:55:28 < englishman> what happened to the 7 black ppl who abducted and tortured that disabled white kid
2017-05-01T07:55:31 < Rob235> dongs: does the baseflight PID use two loops for att and rate?
2017-05-01T07:55:42 < branjb> englishman: jail
2017-05-01T07:55:49 < englishman> jail
2017-05-01T07:55:52 < englishman> not prison?
2017-05-01T07:55:57 < englishman> so no conviciton
2017-05-01T07:56:05 < branjb> w/e
2017-05-01T07:56:08 < branjb> jail prison same thing
2017-05-01T07:56:12 < branjb> you get cock in the butt
2017-05-01T07:56:17 < englishman> clearly,
2017-05-01T07:56:19 < englishman> never been
2017-05-01T07:56:37 < Rob235> I would much rather be in jail than prison I think
2017-05-01T07:56:41 < englishman> except the penis-in-anus part
2017-05-01T07:56:46 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/FKPU3 pretty sweet gimbal, chinamen stole it from a wheelchair factory
2017-05-01T07:57:06 < dongs> 3d autism
2017-05-01T07:57:25 < branjb> $20 on banggood
2017-05-01T07:57:33 < dongs> $200 on grainger.com
2017-05-01T07:57:42 < ohsix> does it twist and lift and stuff
2017-05-01T07:57:44 < dongs> (bought from banggood, made in ameica sticker slapped on top)
2017-05-01T07:57:46 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-01T07:57:52 < branjb> 4 axis
2017-05-01T07:58:00 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-01T07:58:11 < branjb> idk why i got a 4 axis
2017-05-01T07:58:14 < branjb> only moving xy
2017-05-01T07:58:28 < dongs> whats a 4
2017-05-01T07:58:30 < dongs> like updown?
2017-05-01T07:58:31 < dongs> or rotate
2017-05-01T07:58:37 < branjb> twist and up/down
2017-05-01T07:58:40 < dongs> nice.
2017-05-01T07:58:47 < branjb> although
2017-05-01T07:58:51 < branjb> i fucked up
2017-05-01T07:58:54 < dongs> next step: arcade cabinet
2017-05-01T07:59:17 < dongs> I have multiple joysticks (14 to be exact) and MAME freaks out when it sees more than 7 so i currently solve this by using the devcon command in a batch file and disabling 6 of the joysticks prior to starting mame and then enabling them after mame exits. Is there a way to tell RocketLauncher to do this?
2017-05-01T07:59:22 < dongs> typical arcade cabinet maker
2017-05-01T07:59:23 < ohsix> heh https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3D-CCTV-keyboard-Controller-Joystick-for-RS485-PTZ-Speed-dome-camera-Support-Hikvision-Dahua-Pelco-D/32655864722.html
2017-05-01T07:59:23 < branjb> it's on diagnol
2017-05-01T07:59:31 < branjb> so up is really 45 degrees
2017-05-01T07:59:49 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/FKPU3
2017-05-01T07:59:52 < ohsix> hm damn there are a lot of these for ~50bux
2017-05-01T08:00:12 < dongs> you made the holes before realizing it had to be rotated?
2017-05-01T08:00:17 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-01T08:00:25 < branjb> actually
2017-05-01T08:00:32 < branjb> the china cad drawings had them in that orientation
2017-05-01T08:00:37 < dongs> haha
2017-05-01T08:00:37 < branjb> the + instead of x
2017-05-01T08:00:38 < branjb> fuckers
2017-05-01T08:01:03 < branjb> idk if it's worth reprinting or just hold the remote at 45 degrees
2017-05-01T08:01:22 < branjb> it was abs and didn't fail
2017-05-01T08:01:25 < branjb> that'll never happen again
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2017-05-01T08:01:41 < branjb> ohsix that's a sweet gimbal
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2017-05-01T08:02:25 < dongs> sweet deal if you're a stoner, maybe
2017-05-01T08:02:25 < ohsix> branjb: input devices you can get some shit out of that are already built are gr8
2017-05-01T08:02:47 < branjb> wonder how the axis movements come out the 485
2017-05-01T08:02:58 < dongs> probly some standard shit
2017-05-01T08:02:58 < branjb> prob documented somewhere
2017-05-01T08:03:00 < ohsix> there's some machine pendants on there too, need to look at them sometime
2017-05-01T08:03:06 < dongs> for wahtever chink garbage
2017-05-01T08:03:41 < branjb> this gimbal has ethernet outputs though
2017-05-01T08:03:52 < ohsix> https://dahuawiki.com/NKB1000_RS485_Setup hrm
2017-05-01T08:04:04 < ohsix> is it ethernet or just 8 conductor jack?
2017-05-01T08:04:28 < branjb> mine's ethernet
2017-05-01T08:04:36 < ohsix> https://www.commfront.com/pages/pelco-d-protocol-tutorial
2017-05-01T08:04:51 < ohsix> hall effect too? that sounds like more than 200
2017-05-01T08:04:57 < branjb> nope
2017-05-01T08:04:57 < branjb> pot
2017-05-01T08:05:17 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-01T08:05:40 < branjb> it's just a f4 under the gimbal
2017-05-01T08:05:41 < ohsix> well shit, good to know there's a pan/tilt/whatever protocol
2017-05-01T08:05:52 < branjb> 4 adc in -> eth out
2017-05-01T08:06:03 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-01T08:06:13 < ohsix> it just sends raw frames or what
2017-05-01T08:06:15 < branjb> is there a protocol for pan/tilt?
2017-05-01T08:06:16 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-01T08:06:25 < branjb> just sending the 12 bit adc readings out
2017-05-01T08:06:25 < ohsix> that last link is one of em
2017-05-01T08:06:27 < dongs> try asking google AMP
2017-05-01T08:06:31 < dongs> for the proptocol
2017-05-01T08:06:55 < ohsix> first link shows config -> 'pelcod', pelco d, olol
2017-05-01T08:06:57 < ohsix> bbl
2017-05-01T08:07:04 < branjb> that's way too much work
2017-05-01T08:07:06 < ohsix> busy day tomorrow!11
2017-05-01T08:07:15 < ohsix> some pals started a drone meatup
2017-05-01T08:07:31 < branjb> some fucker was chasing me with his drone while i was walking my dogs earlier
2017-05-01T08:07:32 < ohsix> and they're businessmen/nerds so it's going to be about commercialization and other shit
2017-05-01T08:07:35 < ohsix> haha
2017-05-01T08:07:43 < dongs> shoulda got your shotgun out
2017-05-01T08:07:54 < dongs> was it white and plastic
2017-05-01T08:07:57 < branjb> i was pissed
2017-05-01T08:07:57 < branjb> no
2017-05-01T08:08:02 < branjb> some chinadrone with 10 inch props
2017-05-01T08:08:11 < branjb> was tempted to throw rocks
2017-05-01T08:08:16 < dongs> i would
2017-05-01T08:08:16 < branjb> fucking lawn mower over my head
2017-05-01T08:08:28 < dongs> pretty sure anything > 250g now requires FAA approval to fly
2017-05-01T08:08:39 < branjb> the dude was mexican and/or china
2017-05-01T08:08:44 < branjb> no way he had a FAA sticker on there
2017-05-01T08:10:14 < dongs> lmaoooo
2017-05-01T08:10:23 < dongs> (never used)
2017-05-01T08:10:26 < dongs> no doubt.
2017-05-01T08:10:47 < branjb> i remember when you had to build your own
2017-05-01T08:10:55 < branjb> instead of order flying death traps from china
2017-05-01T08:11:49 < branjb> first drone i ever had with gps, had multiwii on it.  didn't wait for gps to lock on before taking off so it set home @ lat lon 0,0... went to test return to home and it took off at 500 mph for africa
2017-05-01T08:12:00 < dongs> nice
2017-05-01T08:12:18 < branjb> checked the local news paper for like a week to make sure no one died from random drone falling on them
2017-05-01T08:12:52 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone/comments
2017-05-01T08:12:55 < dongs> haha
2017-05-01T08:12:57 < dongs> zano people are still asking for refunds
2017-05-01T08:13:31 < dongs> Missing avatar
2017-05-01T08:13:31 < dongs> ANGEL BLANCO on February 15
2017-05-01T08:13:31 < dongs> Fucking bastard zano and kickstarter
2017-05-01T08:13:57 < branjb> is there a reason to ever spend money on kickstarter
2017-05-01T08:14:36 < dongs> yes, if you can't find a better way to permanently relieve yourself of that money
2017-05-01T08:17:22 < dongs> https://www.change.org/p/ivan-reedman-reece-crowther-david-cameron-mp-carwyn-jones-zano-drone-refund-biggest-drone-kickstarter-is-biggest-fraud this shit stil alround
2017-05-01T08:31:13 < Rob235> branjb: thats a good point and flying home... I'm writing my own firmware for my drone and I think I'll have it wait before being able to take off (for gps lock)
2017-05-01T08:32:07 < dongs> or jsut buy readymade from china where tehy already solved these problems years ago
2017-05-01T08:32:57 < dongs> innovation in this sector is deader than ruby on rails
2017-05-01T08:42:13 < emeb_mac> solving the same problem over and over
2017-05-01T08:42:24 < emeb_mac> "mine do it mineself"
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2017-05-01T08:45:26 < upgrdman> how to unlock a gate   https://gfycat.com/HappySoreBurro
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2017-05-01T08:52:38 < upgrdman> dongs, re: cypress usb tool, is that something wireshark could do, or is it lower level?
2017-05-01T08:55:11 < Rob235> I did it as a learning experience and to use on my resume.  it wasn't about wanting to reinvent the wheel
2017-05-01T09:03:18 < Steffanx> No Capacitor Replacement Today?
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2017-05-01T09:13:41 < dongs> upgrdman: you need to levelshift/sniff CC stuff and turn it into binary, i guess after that you can decode it with wahtever, like that opensores google shit is doing
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2017-05-01T09:15:59 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-01T09:16:21 < upgrdman> but like os can't pass those packets to dickshark?
2017-05-01T09:18:32 < dongs> heh no its lower level than that
2017-05-01T09:18:33 < Tusker> heya guys, I have a maple mini from baite, which is having some strange issues (in my head probably).  I have flashed the stm32 arduino bootloader onto it, and the DFU comes up quickly on reset only.   I can upload black magic probe (https://github.com/rogerclarkmelbourne/blackmagic_archive_version/blob/master/binaries/blackmagic_maple_mini.bin) and it accepts the load via dfu on alt 1 or alt 2.   If I click on reset, it loads the Black Sphere firmware, and
2017-05-01T09:18:52 < dongs> > stm32 arduino bootloader
2017-05-01T09:18:57 < dongs> stopped there
2017-05-01T09:19:08 < Tusker> if I click on reset again, it then boots into a half dead system
2017-05-01T09:19:24 < dongs> what is blacksphere? bmp right?
2017-05-01T09:19:29 < Tusker> yeah, bmp
2017-05-01T09:19:33 < dongs> that shit is liek a fucking virus for your stm32
2017-05-01T09:19:36 < dongs> if you flashed wrong shit
2017-05-01T09:19:39 < dongs> you'll never remove it from it
2017-05-01T09:19:41 < dongs> cuz it locks itself on startup
2017-05-01T09:19:48 < dongs> i hope you have another working swd probe
2017-05-01T09:20:16 < dongs> youll need to connect under reset, release reset, erase via swd
2017-05-01T09:20:26 < Tusker> what do you suggest I load to it then ?
2017-05-01T09:20:33 < dongs> what are you trying to do
2017-05-01T09:20:45 < dongs> half of your blog got cutoff
2017-05-01T09:20:53 < Thorn> NROL-76 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzQpkQ1etdA
2017-05-01T09:20:55 < dongs> do you ahve antoher SWD dongle/probe/whatever?
2017-05-01T09:21:08 < dongs> Thorn: fuck, i'll be driving
2017-05-01T09:21:21 < Tusker> yeah, I do, but I was hoping to use this particular one as a BMP
2017-05-01T09:21:59 < Tusker> the rest of my message: bootloader onto it, and the DFU comes up quickly on reset only.   I can upload black magic probe (https://github.
2017-05-01T09:22:05 < Tusker> .. com/rogerclarkmelbourne/blackmagic_archive_version/blob/master/binaries/blackmagic_maple_mini.bin) and it accepts the load via dfu on
2017-05-01T09:22:09 < Tusker> .. alt 1 or alt 2.   If I click on reset, it loads the Black Sphere firmware, and works.
2017-05-01T09:22:56 < branjb> what does black magic probe do that st link or jlink doesnt?
2017-05-01T09:23:06 < dongs> so what is the "problem"? i donmno man. BMP shit has a virus bootloader and then the main code. but if you f lash wrong bootloader ex. with broken DFU, then you're fukd
2017-05-01T09:23:13 < dongs> branjb: its ~opensource~
2017-05-01T09:23:31 < Tusker> well, I don't mind flashing stlink to it... is there a bin file available that I can use instead ?
2017-05-01T09:23:36 < Thorn> it generates some money for the author
2017-05-01T09:24:05 < Thorn> I think it's more expensive than standalone st-link
2017-05-01T09:26:39 < PaulFertser> Tusker: I think you should be using the bootloader from BMP, not arduino bootloader.
2017-05-01T09:28:36 < Tusker> PaulFertser: quite possibly... but I didn't seem to be able to do that succesfully...
2017-05-01T09:28:38 < dongs> thats also true
2017-05-01T09:28:46 < dongs> is that waht youre doing wrong? lol
2017-05-01T09:29:17 < Tusker> when I tried with the BMP bootloader it failed to enumerate the USB...
2017-05-01T09:30:22 < PaulFertser> Tusker: how exactly are you trying the BMP bootloader? How are you building BMP?
2017-05-01T09:30:48 < dongs> how were you able to get that bootlaoder off of it after it failed to enumerate?
2017-05-01T09:31:22 < Tusker> PaulFertser: make PROBE_HOST=stlink
2017-05-01T09:31:36 < PaulFertser> Tusker: that doesn't match maple platform, does it?
2017-05-01T09:31:41 < dongs> it surely doesnt
2017-05-01T09:33:11 < Tusker> that might explain why it fails, what PROBE_HOST will work with maple ?
2017-05-01T09:33:14 < Tusker> I didn't see that option
2017-05-01T09:34:35 < PaulFertser> Tusker: maple_mini
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2017-05-01T09:35:37 < PaulFertser> Tusker: and you're supposed to use it without any bootloader
2017-05-01T09:36:01 < Tusker> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'platforms/maple_mini/Makefile.inc'.  Stop.
2017-05-01T09:36:19 < PaulFertser> Tusker: are you using that Roger Clark's fork?
2017-05-01T09:36:44 < Tusker> git@github.com:blacksphere/blackmagic.git
2017-05-01T09:37:21 < PaulFertser> Tusker: that upstream version doesn't support maple
2017-05-01T09:37:44 < Tusker> OK, that would explain some of my issues then :)
2017-05-01T09:39:59 < Tusker> PaulFertser: can I copy the platforms/maple_mini from https://github.com/rogerclarkmelbourne/blackmagic_archive_version/tree/master/src/platforms/maple_mini into the latest from blacksphere ?
2017-05-01T09:40:55 < PaulFertser> Tusker: it might work, worth a try
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2017-05-01T09:54:15 < PaulFertser> Tusker: or just flash the bin file from that repo, without a bootloader.
2017-05-01T09:54:51 < PaulFertser> Tusker: to 0x08000000
2017-05-01T09:55:22 < Tusker> PaulFertser: that's what I tried, it works on first restart only... and then reverts to the other bootloader...
2017-05-01T09:56:34 < Tusker> OK, got the latest bmp source code compiled with a modified platforms file... see if that "sticks" :)
2017-05-01T09:59:10 < Thorn> what do you mean it reverts, are you writing it into RAM or what
2017-05-01T09:59:43 < Tusker> i think I know what i am doing wrong
2017-05-01T09:59:46  * Tusker cowers
2017-05-01T10:00:06 < Tusker> i will confirm what my issue is, and get back to you after dinner
2017-05-01T10:00:36 < Tusker> (seems it would only write to 0x8002000 and not 0x8000000...)
2017-05-01T10:01:16 < Tusker> thanks for your patience
2017-05-01T10:02:31 < Tusker> pushed me in the right direction
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2017-05-01T10:28:59 < Thorn> he's finally discussing control logic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7rCxs1ppyY
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2017-05-01T12:27:34 < Steffanx> Im busy..
2017-05-01T12:28:15 < Steffanx> How are you?
2017-05-01T12:28:23 < Steffanx> Dont go in the door
2017-05-01T12:35:15 < Steffanx> Hi.
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2017-05-01T14:09:01 < Thorn> stream started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzQpkQ1etdA
2017-05-01T14:09:54 < Laurenceb_> Mr Perman00b
2017-05-01T14:17:34 < Steffanx> Where?
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2017-05-01T15:00:14 < Steffanx> jadew :o
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2017-05-01T15:05:28 < jpa-> all those attitude control nitrogen puffs look like "zomg, now its exploding.. no"
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2017-05-01T15:16:15 < englishman> Thorn: these new camera angles are sick!
2017-05-01T15:18:55 < jadew> stupid internet connection
2017-05-01T15:26:32 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/ElementarySaneHornbill
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2017-05-01T15:59:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cb_1493616944
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2017-05-01T16:03:11 < Laurenceb_> oh noes https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/28/digital_economy_bill_royal_assent/
2017-05-01T16:05:53 < jadew> now we'll need fake IDs to watch porn...
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2017-05-01T16:12:45 < Steffanx> Ill dump ascii pron here. Best way to get rid of Laurenceb_ :P
2017-05-01T16:13:09 < Laurenceb_> im in jail if you do
2017-05-01T16:18:57 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/pandorablake?lang=en-gb
2017-05-01T16:19:08 < Laurenceb_> this looks relevant to my interests
2017-05-01T16:19:36 < jadew> I was going to look her up too
2017-05-01T16:20:00 < Streaker> Where do you go to jail for watching porn?
2017-05-01T16:20:45 < Streaker> and why isn't the entire nation in jail already
2017-05-01T16:20:55 < Laurenceb_> they will be soon
2017-05-01T16:21:04 < jadew> here's what's going to happen
2017-05-01T16:21:21 < jadew> a month in, major leak, detailing the filth everyone in the government is watching
2017-05-01T16:21:42 < jadew> and their family members
2017-05-01T16:21:56 < jadew> a couple more leaks like that and they'll probably retract the law
2017-05-01T16:22:32 < jadew> it's a stupid law and it's amazing they don't see how it puts privacy at risk
2017-05-01T16:23:17 < jadew> it's always worrying when government comes up with internet legislation
2017-05-01T16:23:21 < jadew> nothing good can come of it
2017-05-01T16:23:28 < jadew> like the stupid cookie notification
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2017-05-01T16:53:21 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/ShimmeringUnluckyKite
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2017-05-01T16:59:11 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-05-01T17:01:06 < Steffanx> Little Blaxter?
2017-05-01T17:05:49 < Steffanx> Hi stvvn, why up so late
2017-05-01T17:06:12 < Steffanx> What is this tuesday going to bring you?
2017-05-01T17:07:42 < Laurenceb_> Key Accountabilities:
2017-05-01T17:07:50 < Laurenceb_> To support manufacturing teams with understanding Right First Time (RFT)
2017-05-01T17:08:00 < Laurenceb_> why are job descriptions so daft
2017-05-01T17:21:16 < Laurenceb_> inb4 5 Y
2017-05-01T17:21:50 < Laurenceb_>  experience of Six sigma would be beneficial
2017-05-01T17:21:56 < Laurenceb_> I spoke too soon
2017-05-01T17:22:45 < branjb> does years of experience on a resume even mean anything
2017-05-01T17:22:53 < Laurenceb_> lel UK nuclear missile shit is recruiting
2017-05-01T17:22:54 < branjb> err
2017-05-01T17:22:56 < branjb> on job app
2017-05-01T17:23:02 < Laurenceb_> slogan is "Create an ocean of power"
2017-05-01T17:23:05 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-05-01T17:23:11 < branjb> "need 10 years of vs 2016 experience" k
2017-05-01T17:23:24 < Laurenceb_> heh
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2017-05-01T17:31:59 < Steffanx> Stop doing the timeout thing Laurenceb
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2017-05-01T19:00:23 < Steffanx> Leeloo :o
2017-05-01T19:02:46 < englishman> who?
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2017-05-01T19:08:27 < Laurenceb__> www.assystem.com/en/home.html
2017-05-01T19:08:35 < Laurenceb__> looks dongs tier
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2017-05-01T19:19:50 < Rob235> hah Altium just called me
2017-05-01T19:20:34 < Rob235> I signed up for a free trial so I could download some of the stm32 stuff
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2017-05-01T19:41:11 < Steffanx> yay
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2017-05-01T19:47:07 < Steffanx> What is actually new and booming in stm32 world? What's next after F7?
2017-05-01T19:47:18 < Steffanx> *H7
2017-05-01T19:49:58 < englishman> ST8
2017-05-01T19:50:02 < englishman> dongs https://streamable.com/ntb7k
2017-05-01T19:51:00 < Steffanx> love you too englishman.
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2017-05-01T20:35:25 < Rob235> 9hi
2017-05-01T20:35:27 < Rob235> hi
2017-05-01T20:44:27 < TheSeven> hmm supposedly the lower-end stm32f2 chips have less SRAM
2017-05-01T20:44:56 < TheSeven> I know that is probably the same die anyway, but which address range is supposedly missing/untested on them?
2017-05-01T20:45:20 < Rob235> 0x0000 to 0xFFFF
2017-05-01T20:46:18 < TheSeven> also, how fast is access to the 4KB NVRAM?
2017-05-01T20:46:47 < Rob235> 1 uS
2017-05-01T20:46:50 < Rob235> :)
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2017-05-01T20:48:05 < TheSeven> RM0033 doesn't seem to mention non-128KB-chips at all
2017-05-01T20:51:28 < Rob235> I barely slept last night and I drank a half pint of vodka to stabilize my mood. Don't ask me
2017-05-01T20:51:49 < Steffanx> dont do that, not ever Rob235.
2017-05-01T20:52:23 < Rob235> i'm ok I'm not getting a second like I did last time
2017-05-01T20:52:44 < Rob235> you watch gavin belson last nightt?
2017-05-01T20:52:53 < Steffanx> the what?
2017-05-01T20:52:58 < Rob235> silicon valley
2017-05-01T20:53:08 < TheSeven> the datasheet doesn't mention anything about the address either...
2017-05-01T20:53:53 < Rob235> or is that too american (hbo show about silicon valley)
2017-05-01T20:54:03 < Rob235> comedy
2017-05-01T20:56:17 < Rob235> my tire is flat, got it patched but no use, still flat, guess its time to replace some tirez
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2017-05-01T21:32:31 < Steffanx> car or bycycle Rob235?
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2017-05-01T21:32:52 < Steffanx> stupid queston, yankees only do cars.
2017-05-01T21:41:47 < upgrdman> true. bikes are for peasants.
2017-05-01T21:42:05 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX24tT2Y5OGlvaHM/view?usp=sharing how to continue disassembly of amphenol mil bayonet from this point?
2017-05-01T21:43:08 < Steffanx> Angle grinder.
2017-05-01T21:44:17 < kakimir> I wonder is that left side of the connector can be removed
2017-05-01T21:44:48 < kakimir> hmm let's see youtube
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2017-05-01T21:55:23 < kakimir> okay front shell, back shell, coupling ring, cable clamp/bushing
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2017-05-01T22:05:23 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lNv3z9t3SI
2017-05-01T22:10:33 < jadew> lol, ebay fees are crazy
2017-05-01T22:10:45 < jadew> 10% from the final price + shipping
2017-05-01T22:20:39 < jadew> hmm, so that + the paypal fee, comes up to 14%
2017-05-01T22:20:41 < jadew> wtf...
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2017-05-01T22:36:33 < upgrdman> whats the formula for series capacitor cutoff frequency? e.g. ac -> series capacitor -> output is high passed to x Hz?
2017-05-01T22:36:57 < upgrdman> 1/2piFC ?
2017-05-01T22:40:07 < kakimir> yes fleebay is ripoff
2017-05-01T22:42:26 < jadew> well, I increased the original price by 10% and I'll look for a different platform in the meantime
2017-05-01T22:43:52 < Steffanx> craiglist much?
2017-05-01T22:44:07 < jadew> is there one for EU?
2017-05-01T22:44:15 < Steffanx> not that iknow of
2017-05-01T22:44:22 < jadew> that's what I thought
2017-05-01T22:44:56 < karlp> there is, but it's dead.
2017-05-01T22:45:15 < Steffanx> what is it?
2017-05-01T22:45:46 < karlp> https://dublin.craigslist.org/search/sss for instance....
2017-05-01T22:45:50 < Steffanx> oh
2017-05-01T22:45:51 < karlp> there's one for amsterdam
2017-05-01T22:45:59 < karlp> they're just almost never as useful as the us ones.
2017-05-01T22:46:26 < jadew> seems better than ebay in many ways: https://dublin.craigslist.org/clo/6111107971.html
2017-05-01T22:46:48 < jadew> you can't buy that on ebay
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2017-05-01T23:06:27 < Steffanx> First thing jadew finds..
2017-05-01T23:10:36 < kakimir> sync: where did you buy those autosport connectors?
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2017-05-01T23:11:42 < sync> directly from deutsch
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2017-05-01T23:12:39 < Rob235> I'm so smart its ridiculous. I didn't want to drink more so I bought some dope instead. I got ripped off though by getting 1 instead of 2.  damn people
2017-05-01T23:12:41 < Steffanx> Wir leben autos.
2017-05-01T23:13:25 < Steffanx> fucking hell Rob235. Just fucking get yourself together.
2017-05-01T23:13:49 < Rob235> I'm doing pretty well actually.  today just sucked because I didn't get much sleep and coulnt get moving
2017-05-01T23:14:42 < Rob235> waiting to hear back from school about financial aid, going through my shit to organize stuff, working on the drone, all good shit
2017-05-01T23:14:48 < Steffanx> And "dope" is going to keep you this way..?
2017-05-01T23:15:04 < Rob235> its just today, I cant focus as it is because I barely got any sleep
2017-05-01T23:15:12 < Rob235> so I figured Id take a nice break day
2017-05-01T23:15:34 < Rob235> reset my mind into a happy state
2017-05-01T23:16:33 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW5JsC6SXhc
2017-05-01T23:16:38 < Ultrasauce> related
2017-05-01T23:17:21 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for you Rob235.
2017-05-01T23:17:23 < Rob235> wrong kinda dope
2017-05-01T23:18:07 < Rob235> I do too
2017-05-01T23:18:07 < Rob235> but I'm actually doing better than I have in a while
2017-05-01T23:18:40 < Rob235> I'm hopeful for my future for the first time in a while
2017-05-01T23:18:52 < Rob235> cant wait to start school again
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2017-05-01T23:19:34 < Rob235> and I feel great right now :) even if I'm not exactly feeling productive
2017-05-01T23:20:00 < Steffanx> Drugs does that to you.
2017-05-01T23:20:30 < Rob235> I'm good, I wont use again for at least a while if not a lot longer
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2017-05-01T23:26:12 < Rob235> itchy itchy, I gotta clean up my shit.  My drawers are a mess with electronics parts
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2017-05-01T23:27:34 < Rob235> shower first
2017-05-01T23:27:40 < Rob235> pc
2017-05-01T23:27:41 < Steffanx> enjoy.
2017-05-01T23:28:21 < Rob235> maybe I'll tug on my log while I'm at it
2017-05-01T23:28:30 < Rob235> ;)
2017-05-01T23:29:44 < Ultrasauce> i hope so
2017-05-01T23:30:13 < Steffanx> Why people on that side of the globe tend to be so weird?
2017-05-01T23:30:13 < kakimir> https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.ada/E9bNCvDQ12k/1tezW24ZxdAJ
2017-05-01T23:30:50 < Rob235> :)
2017-05-01T23:31:16 < Rob235> everyone should be weird, to avoid boredom
2017-05-01T23:31:28 < Steffanx> There is weird and  there is weird.
2017-05-01T23:31:52 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-01T23:32:01 < Steffanx> I mean at least we have stroopwaffles.
2017-05-01T23:32:25 < Rob235> lies
2017-05-01T23:32:56 < Rob235> ok shower time, just picture me naked with soap bubbles all over me ;P
2017-05-01T23:33:05 < Steffanx> Why windows no longer wants to sleep? It wakes up immediately
2017-05-01T23:34:30 < Ultrasauce> maybe an update broke the acpi driver?
2017-05-01T23:34:34 < Ultrasauce> update the bios perhaps
2017-05-01T23:37:09 < kakimir> they are inside your machine Steffanx
2017-05-01T23:37:23 < Ultrasauce> could be a usb device too, anything new?
2017-05-01T23:43:42 < karlp> Ultrasauce: *grins*
2017-05-01T23:44:33 < Ultrasauce> am I missing somethign
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2017-05-01T23:55:28 < karlp> Ultrasauce: your anniemay vid
2017-05-01T23:56:49 < Rob235> mmm nice and clean
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2017-05-02T00:09:49 < englishman> Ultrasauce: are you going to apply to be a letter carrier like me
2017-05-02T00:10:09 < englishman> $65k, fresh air and exercise, a union, can work on shitty electronics timewasting crap on your own
2017-05-02T00:10:37 < englishman> and with new community mailboxes, zero human interaction
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2017-05-02T00:12:11 < Ultrasauce> think im going to work at a local webdev firm
2017-05-02T00:12:32 < Ultrasauce> cause writing php every day is going to make me a happy and fulfilled individual right
2017-05-02T00:12:40 < aandrew> hm
2017-05-02T00:12:46 < aandrew> I'm having a bit of a brainfart here
2017-05-02T00:12:47 < englishman> php dude
2017-05-02T00:13:04 < aandrew> I've got a 32-bit counter (millisecond counter) and I'm doing timeouts based on it
2017-05-02T00:13:21 < aandrew> things like timeout_time = osKernelSysTick() + 10000 for a 10s timeout from now
2017-05-02T00:13:32 < aandrew> how the fuck do I handle wraps
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2017-05-02T00:13:57 < aandrew> normally I'd just do if (osKernelSysTick() < timeout_time) { /* not timed out yet */ }
2017-05-02T00:15:05 < karlp> make it a uint64? ;)
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2017-05-02T00:15:14 < aandrew> I can do something stupid like if (! timed_out(start_time, 10000)) { /* not timed out yet */ } but I don't like that
2017-05-02T00:15:22 < Rob235> if osKernelSysTick() < lastTimeoutTime
2017-05-02T00:15:28 < aandrew> but I can see if osKernelSysTick() is less than start_time and know to wrap then
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2017-05-02T00:17:46 < kakimir> recommend chinacheap silicone soldering pad?
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2017-05-02T00:18:13 < kakimir> I just realized I need such to keep my expensive esd matt from burning
2017-05-02T00:19:06 < sync> my 3M esd mat doesn't burn
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2017-05-02T00:20:06 < kakimir> you say you can leave 300celsius soldering iron on it and it wont do anything to it?
2017-05-02T00:20:52 < sync> no, but if it drops it doesn't instantly melt
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2017-05-02T00:21:56 < sync> and when did you leave your soldering iron out of the holder for a long time just chilling on the table?
2017-05-02T00:22:58 < kakimir> if you blow your small pcb board on it until the solder melts?
2017-05-02T00:23:04 < kakimir> what happens?
2017-05-02T00:23:32 < sync> nothing
2017-05-02T00:23:41 < kakimir> small meaning some air will directly hit the surface and some heat will pass thru pcb to surface
2017-05-02T00:23:49 < kakimir> are you sure?
2017-05-02T00:24:01 < sync> yes
2017-05-02T00:24:26 < englishman> i just have a piece of glass
2017-05-02T00:25:02 < Ultrasauce> nothing wrong with a few scorch marks on the desk
2017-05-02T00:25:04 < Ultrasauce> builds character
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2017-05-02T00:25:46 < kakimir> sync: I though so too until the surface burned brown and had bubble to it
2017-05-02T00:26:06 < kakimir> or it bent upwards because of the expansion
2017-05-02T00:26:14 < sync> well, I hotair stuff daily and nothing has happened yet
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2017-05-02T00:28:52 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/232315508292 got this one
2017-05-02T00:29:13 < kakimir> some holes in it to fill with crap
2017-05-02T00:30:41 < Steffannn> Sexy
2017-05-02T00:30:53 < Ultrasauce> >kateeskitty
2017-05-02T00:31:01 < Ultrasauce> not sure if ebay seller or camgirl profile
2017-05-02T00:34:00 < ohsix> huh nice kakimir
2017-05-02T00:34:05 < ohsix> i need to get one of those
2017-05-02T00:34:21 < ohsix> there's antistatic pads here but they melt real easy
2017-05-02T00:37:55 < Rob235> oi oi
2017-05-02T00:38:39 < ohsix> is that a threat
2017-05-02T00:38:54 < ohsix> i'm feeling threatened
2017-05-02T00:39:09 < Rob235> you should
2017-05-02T00:40:07 < Rob235> I'm going to attack you with puppies
2017-05-02T00:40:18 < Rob235> its going to be the cutest execution of all time
2017-05-02T00:40:57 < kakimir> ohsix: I don't know if it's good or not yet
2017-05-02T00:41:43 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Insulation-Including-Maintenance-Anti-static-Screwdrivers/dp/B06X97Y379/
2017-05-02T00:42:56 < Rob235> drone time, gotta get this bitch flying
2017-05-02T00:43:27 < karlp> man I love this stuff: https://chechilusa.com/
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2017-05-02T00:44:33 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Insulation-Including-Maintenance-Anti-static-Screwdrivers/dp/B06X97Y379/
2017-05-02T00:44:39 < ReadError> this one comes w/ 2 screwdrivers and tweezers
2017-05-02T00:45:40 < kakimir> buy more of them seperately
2017-05-02T00:48:13 < ReadError> wat
2017-05-02T00:49:03 < kakimir> screwdrivers and tweezers
2017-05-02T00:49:09 < kakimir> whole sets of them
2017-05-02T00:49:45 < ReadError> well ya but, 10.99 for the mat + 2 screwdriver 2 tweezer shipped and having it in 2 days
2017-05-02T00:49:55 < kakimir> not bad
2017-05-02T01:03:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdVZmZ3FiRDV5dlU/view?usp=sharing can anyone tell anything about that antenna that can be seen thru the pcb?
2017-05-02T01:04:17 < kakimir> Z shape with saw edge shape next to it
2017-05-02T01:04:26 < kakimir> that system is 433mhz
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2017-05-02T01:06:11 < englishman> cool
2017-05-02T01:07:22 < karlp> "have it in two days"
2017-05-02T01:07:31 < karlp> land of the "someone else is payinug for this"
2017-05-02T01:07:55 < karlp> nice looking mat though, those little divits for stuff look handy
2017-05-02T01:16:08 < Laurenceb__> is elon musk even trying any more?
2017-05-02T01:16:24 < Laurenceb__> his tunnel thing is 100% bullshit
2017-05-02T01:16:35 < Laurenceb__> even worse than hyperloop
2017-05-02T01:16:46 < kakimir> hello britland
2017-05-02T01:18:09 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: smoking crack and connectin some pipes - trynna make future transportations!
2017-05-02T01:18:17 < Laurenceb__> accurate
2017-05-02T01:19:38 < kakimir> clearly a therapy project for a billionare
2017-05-02T01:20:05 < kakimir> notin serious
2017-05-02T01:20:15 < Laurenceb__> he should work on emdrive to properly waste his time
2017-05-02T01:20:16 < ohsix> kakimir: well size is fine and it looks like silicone olol, already use some silicone stuff, just not at the shared lab i hang out in
2017-05-02T01:20:23 < Rob235> whats wrong with smoking crack?
2017-05-02T01:20:32 < ohsix> you don't have to try to get top tier vc Laurenceb
2017-05-02T01:20:46 < ohsix> just have to do a little slap and tickle to some idiots
2017-05-02T01:21:07 < ohsix> Rob235: lul friend started drone user group thing, first meeting is tonight
2017-05-02T01:22:07 < Rob235> what kind of user group;
2017-05-02T01:22:45 < Rob235> just for people that fly drones?
2017-05-02T01:22:46 < ohsix> not sure yet
2017-05-02T01:22:54 < ohsix> or have them, yea
2017-05-02T01:23:03 < Rob235> who has one and doesnt fly it
2017-05-02T01:23:06 < ohsix> organizer said he wants to have it be networking/commercial stuff
2017-05-02T01:23:12 < Rob235> besides me (because it still needs work)
2017-05-02T01:23:17 < Rob235> I see
2017-05-02T01:23:23 < ohsix> but nobody knows what the people who are coming want, we'll find that out today
2017-05-02T01:23:35 < Rob235> let me know how it goes
2017-05-02T01:23:38 < ohsix> werd
2017-05-02T01:23:48 < ohsix> it's weird, i've met like half the town in the past few months
2017-05-02T01:23:52 < ohsix> been cool
2017-05-02T01:24:05 < Rob235> drones ftw
2017-05-02T01:24:28 < ohsix> irl most people aren't dicks, not the ones you run into, they're more likely to steal your bike or dent your car ;]
2017-05-02T01:24:47 < ohsix> oh that's unrelated to drones, but i did meet the organizer in that timeframe
2017-05-02T01:24:59 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: how is elon musks pipe project anyways?
2017-05-02T01:25:11 < Laurenceb__> who knows
2017-05-02T01:25:16 < Rob235> I need to redo my PID loops and fix my arming code (which isn't working for some reason) so I can get this thing in the air, happy its getting nice outside
2017-05-02T01:25:20 < ohsix> i have some samples i got from an accelerometer, gotta figure out the math to make it do what it needs to
2017-05-02T01:25:44 < Laurenceb__> his hyperloop is being done by various snakeoil guys
2017-05-02T01:25:50 < ohsix> 'done'
2017-05-02T01:26:00 < Laurenceb__>  "just figure out the math"
2017-05-02T01:26:15 < ohsix> you know what some 'businesses' do? they get funding and burn it, get to eat for a while, get to excite some people
2017-05-02T01:26:22 < ohsix> vc shit is gross af
2017-05-02T01:26:32 < Rob235> getting ripped off by drug dealers is a pain in the ass
2017-05-02T01:26:49 < ohsix> were they doing plumbing work for you or something?
2017-05-02T01:27:03 < Rob235> ?
2017-05-02T01:27:29 < ohsix> i'm implying you had another relationship with them and they just happened to be drug dealers heheh
2017-05-02T01:27:38 < Laurenceb__> attn ohsix https://ukhas.org.uk/code:7_state_ekf_with_bias
2017-05-02T01:27:52 < ohsix> like a plumber that was also a drug dealer, when they rip you off you only point out the drug dealer part
2017-05-02T01:28:11 < Rob235> hah no, random finding while driving around. got one bag, gave money, she went to get the second and never came out :P
2017-05-02T01:28:11 < ohsix> Laurenceb__: niice
2017-05-02T01:29:27 < ohsix> the accelerometer has magnetometer readings with it, just cuz it was available, but i don't think you need it for wat i want to do
2017-05-02T01:29:50 < ohsix> it's going to be a thing that sticks onto a helmet and just blinks red during deceleration
2017-05-02T01:35:39 < Laurenceb__> tendies
2017-05-02T01:36:10 < Laurenceb__> how many "service droids" will you be taking back?
2017-05-02T01:38:13 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_0iFOtmPoE
2017-05-02T01:38:29 < Laurenceb__> apparently they have an "Australian Investor"
2017-05-02T01:38:49 < Rob235> so tired
2017-05-02T01:39:00 < Rob235> of course
2017-05-02T01:39:02 < Rob235> who else
2017-05-02T01:39:24 < Laurenceb__> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/arlan-robotics-service-droid-1-0-sex-electric#/
2017-05-02T01:39:30 < kakimir> wasn't assange killed or what?
2017-05-02T01:40:17 < ohsix> who can tell you he hasn't
2017-05-02T01:41:45 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/787981711422414848/NTbLpAA5.jpg
2017-05-02T01:43:38 < ohsix> eric andre got 4fingered in the anus in vancouver while crowd surfing
2017-05-02T01:44:09 < Rob235> lucky guy
2017-05-02T01:44:45 < ohsix> handsome rambler episode 11
2017-05-02T01:45:00 < Rob235> ?
2017-05-02T01:45:20 < Rob235> what does that mean
2017-05-02T01:45:34 < Rob235> of course I got stm
2017-05-02T01:45:50 < ohsix> sexually transmitted mania?
2017-05-02T01:47:17 < Rob235> damn, get back to me so I can sign up for classes, school!
2017-05-02T01:47:35 < Laurenceb__> I met a black guy at a conference once
2017-05-02T01:47:48 < Laurenceb__> he asked me where he could learn about stm32
2017-05-02T01:47:50 < Rob235> congratulations
2017-05-02T01:48:01 < Laurenceb__> I said ##stm32 on freenode
2017-05-02T01:48:04 < Laurenceb__> bad idea
2017-05-02T01:48:19 < Laurenceb__> now I feel guilty
2017-05-02T01:48:27 < ohsix> get local bruh
2017-05-02T01:48:42 < ohsix> i know a few people that use stm32 irl
2017-05-02T01:48:53 < ohsix> one of them in aviation equipment
2017-05-02T01:49:09 < ohsix> people are pretty chill
2017-05-02T01:49:20 < Rob235> I'm the smartest person I know irl... Well thats not true at all, but in terms of things that interest me it is true
2017-05-02T01:49:40 < Laurenceb__> <Rob235> I'm the smartest person I know irl
2017-05-02T01:49:54 < Rob235> you cant cut a sentence in half
2017-05-02T01:50:09 < Laurenceb__> dat Dunning–Kruger effect
2017-05-02T01:50:43 < Rob235> bs
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2017-05-02T01:51:38 < Rob235> my friends dont code, some are doctors but no one is really tech savy
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2017-05-02T01:53:47 < Rob235> only a couple became drug addicts like me though so I guess they have that :)
2017-05-02T01:54:10 < Rob235> oops, gf is home
2017-05-02T01:54:45 < Rob235> not really, but kinda
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2017-05-02T01:56:04 < ohsix> https://soundcloud.com/handsomerambler/11-hannibal-and-eric-podcast-douggpound-remix
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2017-05-02T02:00:05 < ohsix> haw
2017-05-02T02:00:11 < ohsix> one of the organizers is here 2 hours early
2017-05-02T02:00:31 < ohsix> dji really killed it with the off the shelf things, people rock up in a case and everything, tons of batteries
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2017-05-02T02:18:08 < englishman> Laurenceb__: and that is the story of how ReadError found this chan
2017-05-02T02:18:26 < Laurenceb__> lel
2017-05-02T02:19:30 < Laurenceb__> it's funny cuz he was the only black guy and everyone else was asian
2017-05-02T02:19:51 < Laurenceb__> so we were kind of hanging out together like "asians are annoying bro"
2017-05-02T02:20:22 < ReadError> i dont think anyone told me about this chan tho
2017-05-02T02:20:40 < Laurenceb__> I came here in 2008 and it was dead
2017-05-02T02:21:41 < Laurenceb__> I tried to get an lpc programmed but I'd only just learnt avr so sucked
2017-05-02T02:21:58 < Laurenceb__> bascom avr ftw
2017-05-02T02:25:05 < englishman> well this chan is still dead wrt stm32 content
2017-05-02T02:25:54 < Laurenceb__> bascom stm32
2017-05-02T02:25:59 < Laurenceb__> the future is now
2017-05-02T02:26:19 < englishman> looks like i have a tx2 project in my future
2017-05-02T02:26:29 < englishman> am i rekt [ ] yes    [ ] yes
2017-05-02T02:26:57 < ReadError> yo yall get the leaked Orange is the new Black ?
2017-05-02T02:27:03 < ReadError> some niggas didnt pay the random
2017-05-02T02:28:03 < Laurenceb__> I dont even know what that is
2017-05-02T02:28:17 < ReadError> figures
2017-05-02T02:38:50 < Ultrasauce> lol Laurenceb__
2017-05-02T02:39:01 < Ultrasauce> ive recommended this channel to people on reddit and other forums a few times
2017-05-02T02:39:16 < Ultrasauce> and 9/10 of the responses were 'oh god fuck that place' etc
2017-05-02T02:39:39 < Laurenceb__> reddit is perman00b central
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2017-05-02T02:56:10 < Laurenceb__> not quite as bad as nasaspaceflight.com, but dammit its close
2017-05-02T03:00:11 < Ultrasauce> yeah whereas everyone here at least has an irc-ee
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2017-05-02T03:17:52 < Laurenceb__> I think I've worked it out
2017-05-02T03:18:15 < Laurenceb__> Elon Musk is the new Steven Wolfram
2017-05-02T03:22:33 < englishman> gj keeping redditors out ultrasaus
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2017-05-02T03:41:14 < Laurenceb__> I wonder how long before Musk invents a new kind of science
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2017-05-02T04:28:45 < dongs> holy shit. spacedongs tracked the 1st stage live on camera during entire flight
2017-05-02T04:28:57 < dongs> zooming in to an object 100km away
2017-05-02T04:29:15 < englishman> yeah it was pretty cool
2017-05-02T04:29:24 < englishman> could see scorching etc clearly
2017-05-02T04:29:32 < dongs> must be the same kinda spy tech they put up in orbit
2017-05-02T04:30:12 < englishman> you have tx2 experience right
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2017-05-02T04:30:56 < dongs> wats tx2
2017-05-02T04:31:14 < englishman> nvidia module thing
2017-05-02T04:31:18 < dongs> o.
2017-05-02T04:31:21 < dongs> yeah but who cares its like $500
2017-05-02T04:31:35 < englishman> what is it
2017-05-02T04:31:40 < englishman> does it run lunix somehow?
2017-05-02T04:31:41 < dongs> i fucked around with TK1 and got fed up of nvidia not giving a fuck wiht any kinda docs/support
2017-05-02T04:31:44 < dongs> yeah
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2017-05-02T04:31:59 < dongs> its just nvidia soc, same like tk1, with pascal gpu
2017-05-02T04:32:09 < dongs> ARm11 or wahtever teh fuck cores
2017-05-02T04:32:13 < englishman> ahh
2017-05-02T04:32:23 < englishman> didnt know nvidia did any armshit at all
2017-05-02T04:34:52 < dongs> anmyway at $500 who cares
2017-05-02T04:35:39 < dongs> hmm do you think they tracked that rocket from a plane
2017-05-02T04:35:58 < dongs> its cloudy but they're getting blue sky view??
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2017-05-02T04:46:19 < dongs> day 3 of windows not installing on fagbook
2017-05-02T04:52:31 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/IFwQSOu?r
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2017-05-02T05:10:42 < Ultrasauce> englishman i havent got the tx2 yet but have done some shit with the tx1
2017-05-02T05:11:12 < Ultrasauce> they ship it with a stupid old version of ubuntu
2017-05-02T05:11:24 < dongs> implying version of ubunto actually matters
2017-05-02T05:11:27 < dongs> same brown shit
2017-05-02T05:11:44 < upgrdman> supposedly so you can pee while driving  https://i.redd.it/j8xzv0a90tuy.jpg
2017-05-02T05:14:07 < englishman> Ultrasauce: is documentation as shit as the dong says
2017-05-02T05:14:17 < englishman> i mean looking quickly it seems there is nothing
2017-05-02T05:14:31 < Ultrasauce> i dunno what he was trying to do but there seems to have been enough for my purposes
2017-05-02T05:14:44 < Ultrasauce> it's all only available if you're signed up for their embedded dev program tho
2017-05-02T05:15:36 < englishman> The downloadable file or page you have requested, requires membership of the NVIDIA Developer Program.
2017-05-02T05:15:37 < englishman> hmm
2017-05-02T05:15:51 < englishman> just a login? or paywall
2017-05-02T05:16:10 < englishman> ok seems to be free, just like st.com
2017-05-02T05:16:20 < Ultrasauce> i remember there being some simple survey and then they have to rubberstamp it
2017-05-02T05:16:26 < Ultrasauce> but yeah free
2017-05-02T05:16:40 < Ultrasauce> and the soc is fucking amazing
2017-05-02T05:16:42 < englishman> they can't make it easy right
2017-05-02T05:17:24 < Ultrasauce> their official kernel is stupid old too, like 3.10 iirc
2017-05-02T05:17:32 < Ultrasauce> but there is some ongoing work on mainline support
2017-05-02T05:22:48 < englishman> thx ultradong
2017-05-02T05:22:55 < Ultrasauce> <3
2017-05-02T05:23:05 < englishman> i can't wait to become a mailman so i can afford all this trash
2017-05-02T05:30:42 < dongs> lnix for niggers?
2017-05-02T05:31:10 < dongs> englishman: if y ou actually want to make use of something on the board like CSI or Displayport outputs, good luck
2017-05-02T05:32:15 < englishman> stuck writing your own lunix drivers with zero documentation?
2017-05-02T05:36:48 < dongs> englishman: correct
2017-05-02T05:48:20 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/did-altium-backpedaled-on-fpgas/msg1195696/#msg1195696
2017-05-02T05:52:36 < dongs> retweeting
2017-05-02T05:52:38 < dongs> and its not a video
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2017-05-02T06:20:29 < englishman> heh even jones decided to chime in
2017-05-02T06:27:16 < Ultrasauce> i imagine he's the #1 shitposter on his forum
2017-05-02T06:50:32 < upgrdman> god damn USPS. seems like at least once a month they deliver my shit late
2017-05-02T06:50:47 < upgrdman> like it'll be "out for delivery" and then 3 days later they get around to delivering it
2017-05-02T06:54:47 < ohsix> boop
2017-05-02T06:55:07 < ohsix> got some wemos stuff, the tiny oled is qt and came in a tiny plastic shell
2017-05-02T06:55:30 < ohsix> got a bunch of rfid tags before the reader
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2017-05-02T08:30:55 < ohsix> sup
2017-05-02T08:31:10 < ohsix> the dji inspire is ossum
2017-05-02T08:31:34 < ohsix> sounds like a lawnmower in the air and moves like something in a video game
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2017-05-02T09:13:53 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/9Surbx6
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2017-05-02T09:52:51 < Thorn> need Laurenceb's expertise
2017-05-02T09:53:16 < Thorn> about human body temperature sensors
2017-05-02T09:53:51 < ohsix> i have a little incidental
2017-05-02T09:53:53 < ohsix> wats up
2017-05-02T09:54:28 < Thorn> do they come in a complete package than can be attached to the body or do I need to design & manuf that myself
2017-05-02T09:55:08 < ohsix> oh eh no idea about the actual form factors
2017-05-02T09:55:28 < Thorn> https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX30205.pdf is DFN
2017-05-02T09:55:32 < ohsix> don't they clamp on the ear or something if it needs constant monitoring
2017-05-02T09:57:05 < upgrdman> turn-key medical sensors? kinda doubt that
2017-05-02T09:57:11 < upgrdman> unless you buy overseas
2017-05-02T09:57:28 < upgrdman> if nothing else, because of liability
2017-05-02T09:58:06 < ohsix> well for pulse-ox and a bunch of other types, there are de-facto off the shelf things
2017-05-02T09:58:17 < ohsix> that's where you'd be looking
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2017-05-02T09:58:30 < upgrdman> oh oh this is for external temp sensing? nm then
2017-05-02T09:58:40 < upgrdman> i was thinking like ass probe or something
2017-05-02T09:59:00 < ohsix> i was dickign with an spo2 sensor, max30100/2/5 from maxim
2017-05-02T09:59:15 < ohsix> all the points where you measurement are well known and there's like a map
2017-05-02T09:59:16 < Thorn> no, not *that* far into Laurenceb territory
2017-05-02T09:59:21 < upgrdman> :)
2017-05-02T09:59:33 < Thorn> I need something externally attached
2017-05-02T09:59:58 < upgrdman> harbor freight clamp + thermistor
2017-05-02T10:00:00 < ohsix> what kind of use is it for
2017-05-02T10:00:08 < ohsix> cuz up the butt is one of them olol, but not for general use
2017-05-02T10:00:21 < ohsix> in the ear is another
2017-05-02T10:00:27 < ohsix> under the tongue
2017-05-02T10:00:38 < ohsix> clipped on the ear is probably what you want
2017-05-02T10:01:33 < Thorn> child -> BLE -> iphone. overnight temp monitoring + alarm
2017-05-02T10:02:08 < Thorn> home use, not hospital
2017-05-02T10:02:21 < ohsix> rite
2017-05-02T10:02:27 < ohsix> for babbies i've seen headbands too
2017-05-02T10:02:52 < ohsix> sec i'm trying to find similar stuff (the testing location) to the spo2 things i was looking at
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2017-05-02T10:08:28 < ohsix> doesn't look like this is as interesting as spo2, probably just put it wherever you can until really close attention implies in the ear or in the mouth spot checks
2017-05-02T10:08:50 < ohsix> dunno what babies f' with, under the arm or around the chest probably works
2017-05-02T10:08:59 < ohsix> Laurenceb def aint messed with no babies
2017-05-02T10:10:59 < ohsix> friend i was working with on the spo2 thing had some samples of sensors that go on baby toes, feet, all sorts of shit; mostly disposable and band-aid like
2017-05-02T10:12:59 < ohsix> dunno if you're developing a product or want to even know, but there's a wireless sticker that goes under the arm across the ribs, and a sleeping sensor that goes on the ankle
2017-05-02T10:13:17 < ohsix> and a smart pacifier :D
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2017-05-02T10:14:20 < ohsix> maxim had a sample design for different placement and form factors for the spo2 sensor, they might for the temp sensor
2017-05-02T10:16:05 < ohsix> ReadError: beep, dear black people
2017-05-02T10:17:53 < ohsix> Thorn: 16 bit temperature is a bit-insane-o-nuts, from the max301xx and this, i think maxim is trying to get people to consult on the software with them heheh
2017-05-02T10:18:39 < Thorn> not sure yet what the prospective customer wants, waiting for them to call
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2017-05-02T10:19:27 < ohsix> werd
2017-05-02T10:20:10 < ohsix> there's a set of awesome books that i came across looking fo runrelated stuff that happened to cover a bunch of biopotential and other sensor shit in them
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2017-05-02T10:28:52 < ohsix> sorry network pooped https://www.crcpress.com/Measurement-Instrumentation-and-Sensors-Handbook-Second-Edition-Electromagnetic/Webster-Eren/p/book/9781138072183
2017-05-02T10:29:15 < ohsix> it's on library genesis, it doesn't cover what you're doing but is very handy
2017-05-02T10:38:05 < Thorn> ok thanks
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2017-05-02T10:54:29 < upgrdman> lol'd irl  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndR1mi9EFf8&feature=youtu.be
2017-05-02T10:54:41 < upgrdman> so much stupidity condensed into that video
2017-05-02T10:56:58 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GCwlGZNd3I
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2017-05-02T11:08:18 < ReadError> no, i dont
2017-05-02T11:08:39 < ReadError> ohsix: u grab OITNB ?
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2017-05-02T12:30:08 < karlp> Thorn: that camera lens video is kinda neat, but holy shit, the amount of gear he conveniently has for that project is insane
2017-05-02T12:31:47 < karlp> what was the black stuff he electroplated with?
2017-05-02T12:32:12 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c636531/v636531359/59ca5/CPAp0QkcvMM.jpg  https://pp.userapi.com/c636531/v636531359/59cae/1llqvquJJaA.jpg
2017-05-02T12:32:51 < Thorn> dunno about the black stuff
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2017-05-02T12:33:36 < Thorn> I understand he's a pro, that's why all the gear
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2017-05-02T13:04:55 < Steffanx> Stvvn.
2017-05-02T13:05:19 < sync> karlp: he is anodizing the lens body and then using a dye to color it
2017-05-02T13:05:30 < sync> if you mean the black ish metal, that is lead
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2017-05-02T13:24:06 < karlp> it was the anodizing with colour. I should look more into how that works.
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2017-05-02T13:33:30 < sync> no, he anodizes it clasically and dips it into a color
2017-05-02T13:33:49 < sync> basically after anodizing the layer is porous and you can force a dye in
2017-05-02T13:33:56 < sync> and then you seal it in boiling water
2017-05-02T13:39:43 < Thorn> cool logo m8 http://www.ledtronics.com/Products/ProductsDetails.aspx?WP=1091
2017-05-02T13:42:54 < karlp> sync: thanks, that's simpler than what I was reaidng on wiki :)
2017-05-02T13:50:43 < sync> yeah, I have done it myself
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2017-05-02T15:19:22 < Steffanx> White LED technology patented?
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2017-05-02T16:42:07 < englishman> maybe new spacex angles are due to landing on land
2017-05-02T16:42:13 < englishman> so the camera isnt on a boat wobbling around
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2017-05-02T16:43:35 < englishman> hm, also, spacex was not allowed to broadcast telem after ~3min into flight
2017-05-02T16:43:41 < englishman> seekrit orbit for .mil
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2017-05-02T17:00:17 < Laurenceb__> http://chrishecker.com/Kurt_G%C3%B6del_is_Laughing_His_Ass_Off_Right_Now
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2017-05-02T17:26:29 < Steffanx> Zyp what was the power measurement ic you use for your ev charging system?
2017-05-02T17:30:27 < zyp> some atmel something
2017-05-02T17:30:45 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/16UQA/D4A-AC-RL-EM.pdf
2017-05-02T17:31:05 < zyp> ATM90E32AS
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2017-05-02T17:36:09 < Steffanx> Ah thanks.
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2017-05-02T17:44:09 < englishman> qyx: http://cardboard.airdtf.com:9060/
2017-05-02T17:44:18 < englishman> now the soil isn't so saturated, the sensor is really moving
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2017-05-02T17:45:07 < aandrew> greetings fellow stm32ers
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2017-05-02T17:45:25 < englishman> hello canuck
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2017-05-02T17:55:00 < Steffanx> Dead englishman ?
2017-05-02T17:55:10 < englishman> no it just takes a while to load
2017-05-02T17:55:42 < englishman> oh
2017-05-02T17:55:43 < englishman> hmm
2017-05-02T17:55:47 < englishman> yeah it's not working
2017-05-02T17:55:51 < englishman> seeing errosr in console
2017-05-02T17:56:22 < englishman> i guess 876mb of data in ram on a board with 1gb ram is just too much
2017-05-02T17:57:13 < englishman> try again? it's working
2017-05-02T18:00:45 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-05-02T18:57:57 < Thorn> got 2x5x7mm leds from aliexpress, they have a round spot in the middle instead of even illumination :/ http://i.imgur.com/P5vW4R2.jpg
2017-05-02T18:58:43 < karlp> englishman: which temp/humi sensor are you using again?
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2017-05-02T18:59:41 < englishman> si7020
2017-05-02T19:02:28 < karlp> are you smoothing those temps at all are they that smooth out of the device?
2017-05-02T19:05:16 < englishman> that is raw as raw gets
2017-05-02T19:06:59 < englishman> TempC := ((175.72 * float64(*telemsignal.TempCode)) / 65530) - 46.85
2017-05-02T19:07:00 < englishman> TempCyvalues = append(TempCyvalues, TempC)
2017-05-02T19:07:48 < mtbg> Laurenceb__: but what about Goedel? why is he mentioned in title?
2017-05-02T19:08:05 < englishman> the whole go program, receiving protobufs from uart, storing them to csv, and hosting the website with dynamically-generated graphs is 350 lines (of horrible englishman code)
2017-05-02T19:08:38 < englishman> i'm not smart enough to smooth anything, i cant even iron my shirts
2017-05-02T19:09:48 < branjb> machine vision is pseudoscience
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2017-05-02T19:14:56 < karlp> pretty nice temperature sensor then!
2017-05-02T19:16:36 < englishman> yeah, and it's one of the cheaper ones too, had to live with digikey's stock
2017-05-02T19:16:48 < fest> coworkers tested quite a few of those temp/humidity sensors for a consumer product they're building- they also settled on si7020
2017-05-02T19:17:09 < englishman> cool
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2017-05-02T20:06:30 < Thorn> attn brymen users incl Steffanx: calibration tutorial and manual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYhv-0_bbNo http://rgho.st/6RgCr7SHH
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2017-05-02T20:32:33 < upgrdman> neat  https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/m/megachips/mcdp2900   maybe someone will now make a dp-to-4k60hdmi adapter for surface pros
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2017-05-02T20:51:55 < Steffanx> Hdmi -_-
2017-05-02T21:16:44 < Lux> englishman: what are you using for generating the graps ?
2017-05-02T21:16:57 < englishman> https://github.com/wcharczuk/go-chart
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2017-05-02T21:42:21 < qyx> tried eagle 8.1, time to move to kikecad
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2017-05-02T22:17:19 < Steffanx> lol qyx.
2017-05-02T22:17:30 < Steffanx> 8.1 is that autodesk?
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2017-05-02T23:27:29 < qyx> scrts: yep
2017-05-02T23:27:34 < qyx> Steffanx: ^
2017-05-02T23:27:45 < qyx> also, subscription only, $15/mo minimum
2017-05-02T23:36:09 < invzim> eagle is the ms paint of pcb design
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2017-05-02T23:44:51 < englishman> i disagree, mspaint is highly useful, has an excellent interface, and is compatible with a large number of image formats
2017-05-02T23:45:25 < karlp> these days.
2017-05-02T23:45:32 < englishman> i'd say eagle is the 1957 trabant of eda tools
2017-05-02T23:45:44 < karlp> just like htese days, eagle doesn't entirely suck, as it did in the past when all of you last used it :)
2017-05-02T23:45:58 < karlp> mspaint used to be fucking terrible too
2017-05-02T23:46:02 < englishman> well that is exactly where eagle belongs, in the past
2017-05-02T23:46:21 < karlp> but yeah, I'm moving to kikecad too
2017-05-02T23:46:37 < karlp> the last of the 7.x before autocloudhell took over was pretty good.
2017-05-02T23:47:01 < Steffanx> photoshop and altium is what the pros use..
2017-05-02T23:47:25 < qyx> stolen.
2017-05-02T23:47:39 < Steffanx> uh? ;)
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2017-05-02T23:48:47 < qyx> count the crowds of ps and altium people with valid licenses
2017-05-02T23:49:34 < qyx> I would use altium and ps for my projects too if it was 1. multiplatform 2. free for NC use
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2017-05-02T23:50:46 < englishman> diptrace is 100% for you
2017-05-02T23:50:51 < englishman> an excellent piece of software
2017-05-02T23:50:56 < qyx> but for now, 16bit mspaint in win3.11 in dosbox
2017-05-02T23:51:20 < englishman> for an eda tool, mspaint is somewhat lacking
2017-05-02T23:51:37 < qyx> better than a pen
2017-05-02T23:52:05 < qyx> btw cool graphs
2017-05-02T23:52:10 < englishman> thx
2017-05-02T23:52:20 < englishman> also shows how shitty the a/c is in the office
2017-05-02T23:52:22 < qyx> a bit slow, probably too much go awesomeness
2017-05-02T23:52:52 < karlp> altium is windows only, and _far_ too expensive for small intermittent projects.
2017-05-02T23:53:13 < karlp> diptrace is windows+mac, but yeah, sounds like it might have been a good choice.
2017-05-02T23:53:17 < englishman> well it's literally loading every 5-second measurement since last wednesday and plotting them into a graph using Go on a ragepberripi
2017-05-02T23:53:29 < karlp> eagle _was_ reasonable sane for commercial use on a small scale.
2017-05-02T23:53:32 < englishman> then serving it to you via http
2017-05-02T23:53:37 < englishman> its doing alright imo :)
2017-05-02T23:54:33 < englishman> diptrace runs in wine on linux, or so i heard
2017-05-02T23:57:16 < karlp> so does virtualbox/vmware
2017-05-02T23:57:35 < karlp> but that's something I'll reach for when I must, not as an "ok, this counts, I'll buy this product to run like that"
2017-05-02T23:57:42 < karlp> so I'm trying out kickad
2017-05-02T23:57:56 < karlp> and in the meantime, still using eagle
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2017-05-03T00:06:05 < Steffanx> Isnt diptrace on os x just win diptrace in WINE?
2017-05-03T00:06:25 < Steffanx> (i believe it is)
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2017-05-03T00:18:15 < englishman> all these problems have a common denominator
2017-05-03T00:18:22 < englishman> it starts with L and rhymes with unix
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2017-05-03T00:20:09 < Laurenceb__> ATTENTION: Use of 'din dins' is compulsory. Any poster caught using 'dinner' will be shot.
2017-05-03T00:22:07 < jadew> ffs, I found an ebay scam
2017-05-03T00:22:34 < jadew> I bought something and a couple of days later I get an email from ebay that the item is removed (along with the user) and that they see that I didn't pay so I don't have to worry
2017-05-03T00:22:42 < jadew> but in fact I did pay and the payment is "unclaimed"
2017-05-03T00:22:54 < jadew> meaning that the guy doesn't have a paypal account on that e-mail address YET
2017-05-03T00:23:08 < jadew> so the scam is probably that I'll think it's all good
2017-05-03T00:23:21 < jadew> and then they make a paypal account and get the money
2017-05-03T00:24:02 < englishman> Laurenceb__: are you behind this https://i.redd.it/i5doobrmp3vy.jpg
2017-05-03T00:24:12 < jadew> also, the same item is now back on sale, at a lower price from another 0 feedback user (I didn't notice it had 0 feedback the first time)
2017-05-03T00:24:24 < Laurenceb__> apparently it never happened
2017-05-03T00:26:45 < Laurenceb__> I know you like to play the big hard man on these forums. But I've seen you in real life and know sufficient information to be able to say that you are a very gullible fool.
2017-05-03T00:26:45 < Laurenceb__> Be careful, you have been warned.
2017-05-03T00:31:14 < aandrew> lyounix?
2017-05-03T00:32:11 < englishman> aandrew have you ever heard of these guys
2017-05-03T00:32:12 < englishman> http://connecttech.com/
2017-05-03T00:32:16 < englishman> they seem both pro and canadian
2017-05-03T00:32:19 < englishman> a rare combo
2017-05-03T00:32:20 < aandrew> yep
2017-05-03T00:32:24 < aandrew> I have some of hteir products
2017-05-03T00:32:29 < englishman> cool
2017-05-03T00:32:31 < englishman> such as?
2017-05-03T00:32:46 < aandrew> I have their 4 port ethernet/serial bridge (from like 10+ years ago)
2017-05-03T00:32:51 < aandrew> forget what the other thing is
2017-05-03T00:33:10 < englishman> hmm http://connecttech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Manufacturing.jpg
2017-05-03T00:33:13 < englishman> all azns
2017-05-03T00:33:18 < englishman> but this is guelph not markham
2017-05-03T00:33:24 < englishman> do they have a china facility as well
2017-05-03T00:35:02 < invzim> man I love having a microscope, just lifted boot0 pin and soldered on a kynar wire to test out DFU :)
2017-05-03T00:35:55 < invzim> I'm never soldering without again
2017-05-03T00:36:23 < englishman> yea man
2017-05-03T00:36:27 < englishman> world-changing tool
2017-05-03T00:37:34 < invzim> kicking myself for not getting one earlier
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2017-05-03T00:42:33 < jadew> I want a butane gas soldering iron
2017-05-03T00:42:44 < jadew> I heard it's much more useful than a microscope
2017-05-03T00:43:15 < englishman> no they are annoying as hell
2017-05-03T00:43:19 < englishman> get a ts100 for portability
2017-05-03T00:43:48 < Laurenceb__> yeah wtf
2017-05-03T00:43:52 < Laurenceb__> gas irons suck
2017-05-03T00:43:57 < jadew> I want the blowtorch function too
2017-05-03T00:44:02 < jadew> hmm, really?
2017-05-03T00:44:11 < mtbg> but you can shrink thermoshinkable tubes
2017-05-03T00:44:19 < jadew> I figured it would be useful to solder on the balcony or outside - when I have to fix something on the car
2017-05-03T00:44:20 < mtbg> shrinkable*
2017-05-03T00:45:04 < jadew> that ts100 thing looks sweet
2017-05-03T00:45:19 < [7]> http://i.imgur.com/KFYeAKB.jpg - what do you think about that PCB layout? reasonable or not?
2017-05-03T00:45:47 < [7]> the passives are 0805 and there are no components on the bottom
2017-05-03T00:45:52 < englishman> sure
2017-05-03T00:46:55 < englishman> it is china-industrial style
2017-05-03T00:47:29 < [7]> does that kind of decoupling still help at all, or is it completely pointless?
2017-05-03T00:48:34 < [7]> and we do have issues with that board losing ethernet connectivity if someone turns the lights in the room on or off
2017-05-03T00:49:15 < [7]> not sure if it's picking up radiated EMI or if it's coming though ground
2017-05-03T00:49:50 < PeterM> what is up with that layout, it looks like someone got half wayu throug hit and forgot smd existed
2017-05-03T00:50:00 < [7]> symptoms look like the ethernet PHY chips is getting confused, the STM32 seems to not have any issues
2017-05-03T00:50:35 < [7]> PeterM: the output driver chips are socketed so that you can replace them if they get fried
2017-05-03T00:50:58 < aandrew> [7]: that's quite the board
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2017-05-03T00:52:00 < mtbg> is the phy decoupled as well/
2017-05-03T00:52:45 < PeterM> looks to be
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2017-05-03T00:53:54 < [7]> the fact that using UTP cable seems to make it less likely to occur hints at the problem coming from the ethernet shield, which seems to be capacitively coupled to system ground as usual
2017-05-03T00:54:23 < mtbg> and center tap of the tx ethernet magnetics should be decoupled
2017-05-03T00:54:25 < [7]> they didn't bother with trace separation or anything like that between the ground domains at all
2017-05-03T00:54:45 < [7]> I don't have schematics of that thing so it's kinda hard to tell what they did there
2017-05-03T00:55:13 < mtbg> and routed in a way that doesn't feed the spikes into some other parts
2017-05-03T00:55:14 < [7]> but I'm assuming it's probably the PHY's reference design with the components laid out somewhat randomly in a grid
2017-05-03T00:55:15 < mtbg> e.g phy
2017-05-03T00:55:35 < mtbg> it is being switched at some significant currents and frequencies
2017-05-03T00:55:56 < [7]> what surprises me is that the phy doesn't seem to have an xtal - so I suspect it's fed by MCO, which IIRC doesn't quite meet the required specs for that
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2017-05-03T00:56:48 < [7]> that thing is that it isn't just having a hiccup, it permanently loses connectivity (until a power cycle) once some kind of transient occurs in the environment (someone switching lights on and off)
2017-05-03T00:57:26 < [7]> the ethernet port LEDs (connected to the phy) seem to get stuck in whatever state they were at that time, or sometimes they just turn off
2017-05-03T00:58:23 < [7]> anyway, my impression is that whoever designed that PCB doesn't quite know his business, and I'm looking for a second opinion on that
2017-05-03T00:59:17 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/fiXBZYP
2017-05-03T01:00:12 < mtbg> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/KSZ8081MLX.pdf
2017-05-03T01:00:21 < mtbg> page 8
2017-05-03T01:00:54 < mtbg> I suggest adding ceramic capacitors in parallel to these tantalum
2017-05-03T01:02:05 < mtbg> I don't see any other than that tantalum caps decoupling VDD_1.2
2017-05-03T01:02:21 < [7]> we're probably not going to modify that (somewhat expensive) board
2017-05-03T01:02:49 < [7]> especially given that I've just designed a new board that can probably just replace it altogether a couple of weeks ago anyway
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2017-05-03T01:15:25 < PeterM> i dont know what signals/traces go the the green connector jsut above the phy, but if they are high di/dt you could be inducing current into the phy and flippin bits
2017-05-03T01:19:47 < aandrew> wow
2017-05-03T01:19:53 < aandrew> a $2.35 10k 0805 resistor
2017-05-03T01:20:01 < PeterM> 0.01%?
2017-05-03T01:20:06 < aandrew> 0.1 yes
2017-05-03T01:20:09 < aandrew> but I don't care about that
2017-05-03T01:20:19 < PeterM> that expensive for 0.1
2017-05-03T01:20:21 < aandrew> was looking for fusible
2017-05-03T01:20:29 < aandrew> but this is "safety" not fusible
2017-05-03T01:20:42 < PeterM> wait
2017-05-03T01:20:48 < PeterM> 10k fusible resistor?
2017-05-03T01:21:16 < mtbg> seems this phy is driving the transformer in push-pull way by itself, and not with center tap connected to VDD
2017-05-03T01:21:30 < aandrew> yeah not finding them. gotta flip things around
2017-05-03T01:21:33 < mtbg> it has VDDA_3.3 signal which is used to supply the transmitter
2017-05-03T01:21:47 < mtbg> and it is definitely not decoupled properly
2017-05-03T01:22:00 < PeterM> most fusibles are sub 1kohm
2017-05-03T01:22:33 < aandrew> yeah
2017-05-03T01:22:38 < PeterM> hello
2017-05-03T01:24:00 < Laurenceb__> crapilllary refail tiem?
2017-05-03T01:24:00 < PeterM> that is not unexpected
2017-05-03T01:24:54 < PeterM> aandrew what do you want a 10k fusible for anyway? stick 5 in series and fuse at 250vdc or osmething?
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2017-05-03T01:47:38 < aandrew> PeterM: nah
2017-05-03T01:47:42 < aandrew> let me paste a pic
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2017-05-03T01:49:27 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/vdeeT2o
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2017-05-03T01:55:59 < aandrew> previously I did not have the TVS nor the fusible resistor. I had the 10k resistor at IN, then two BAT54s clamping to GND_PROT and to a 3V3_CLAMP net
2017-05-03T01:56:25 < aandrew> 3V3_CLAMP was a funky little current controlled 3V3 net
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2017-05-03T02:08:39 < englishman> all resistors are fusible with enough current
2017-05-03T02:08:47 < englishman> traces too
2017-05-03T02:11:06 < Thorn> and microcontrollers
2017-05-03T02:11:14 < Thorn> (even before resistors)
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2017-05-03T02:41:04 < Laurenceb__> http://www.boredpanda.com/guy-troll-wrong-number-text-exchange-velakskin/
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2017-05-03T02:58:12 < aandrew> englishman: well no
2017-05-03T02:58:18 < aandrew> all resistors can blow up yes
2017-05-03T02:58:40 < aandrew> fusible though means the resistor is designed to fail open
2017-05-03T03:04:39 < sync> ah like melf is designed to fail predictably
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2017-05-03T03:13:24 < dekar_> Did any of you encounter latch-up issues with the STM32? We have some F4 boards that had to endure brown-out cycles and supplies cutting out, some of them draw 200mA - even when in DFU loader. Besides that they seem to function fine.
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2017-05-03T03:48:43 < [7]> dekar_: can you tell whether that's actually the STM32 chip that draws the current?
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2017-05-03T03:48:52 < [7]> at 200mA it would probably get noticably warm
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2017-05-03T07:05:19 < ohsix> twitter is awesome
2017-05-03T07:05:47 < ohsix> some person mentioned a card game from the 90s in a podcast and i winked at them
2017-05-03T07:05:58 < ohsix> they respond lul
2017-05-03T07:06:18 < ohsix> anyways my irc shit got all f'd up in power outage, if i'm missing from somewhere let me know
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2017-05-03T07:07:19 < ohsix> i'm just turning autolog on so i can check timestamps ;]
2017-05-03T07:15:37 < ohsix> np
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2017-05-03T07:56:07 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/pacifikiss/status/859173669943300100
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2017-05-03T08:38:22 < scrotal_bonus> HI
2017-05-03T08:38:28 < scrotal_bonus> anyone here used renesas
2017-05-03T08:38:34 < scrotal_bonus> i have a S7 IoT kit
2017-05-03T08:38:39 < scrotal_bonus> need to get banging the electrodes
2017-05-03T08:38:41 < scrotal_bonus> if u know what i mean
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2017-05-03T09:31:51 < aandrew> fucking altium
2017-05-03T09:32:09 < aandrew> there's a duplicate desigator. ok fine, reset it and reannotate quietly
2017-05-03T09:32:12 < aandrew> now I have 2 dupliates
2017-05-03T09:32:17 < aandrew> I try to change it manually
2017-05-03T09:32:19 < aandrew> still two
2017-05-03T09:32:21 < aandrew> fuck off and die
2017-05-03T09:33:00 < aandrew> now I have two Q12s in the layout and any time I try to fix it it adds another Q12
2017-05-03T09:36:20 < zyp> reset both?
2017-05-03T09:37:04 < aandrew> now there's only one in the schematic but two in the layout
2017-05-03T09:37:08 < aandrew> delete on ein the layout it adds it back
2017-05-03T09:43:38 < zyp> check the unique ids on all the involved objects in both schematic and layout if there's any fuckery there
2017-05-03T09:43:52 < aandrew> yeah I did.. reset the ones in the schematic... still two in the layout
2017-05-03T09:44:02 < aandrew> it's a 2-part device (dual mosfet)
2017-05-03T09:44:18 < aandrew> so there are supposed to be two, Q12A and Q12B... but ther'es two physical Q12s on the layout instead of one
2017-05-03T09:45:59 < zyp> hmm, I don't remember if multi-part devices are supposed to have the same unique id for each part or not
2017-05-03T09:46:06 < aandrew> don't think so
2017-05-03T09:46:12 < aandrew> but I thouhgt the same maybe
2017-05-03T09:46:33 < aandrew> this is really fucking aggravating
2017-05-03T09:47:30 < aandrew> the two physica devices are both Q12 but their pins aren't the same
2017-05-03T09:47:32 < aandrew> wtf
2017-05-03T09:47:44 < aandrew> e.g. Q12 the first has pin 1 as gnd, Q12 the second pin 1 is a NC
2017-05-03T09:48:12 < zyp> well, if one is generated from Q12A and one is generated from Q12B that much should be obvious
2017-05-03T09:48:21 < aandrew> no tha'ts not it
2017-05-03T09:48:27 < aandrew> Q12 the first (where I"m using both) looks right
2017-05-03T09:48:35 < aandrew> but Q12 the second is connected somewhere else entirely
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2017-05-03T09:49:27 < zyp> you sure you don't have any extra Q12 hiding somewhere in the schematic?
2017-05-03T09:49:42 < aandrew> I ask it to reset all duplicates, it says ther are none
2017-05-03T09:50:16 < zyp> delete the spare Q12 from the layout and do a backwards ECO and see what happens?
2017-05-03T09:51:12 < zyp> you sure the spare Q12 isn't hiding on a different schematic sheet or some shit?
2017-05-03T09:51:22 < aandrew> I tell it to look in the whole project
2017-05-03T09:51:41 < zyp> anyway, try backannotating from the layout with the extra shit deleted
2017-05-03T09:51:51 < aandrew> I tried a back-eco, it just errore
2017-05-03T09:51:54 < aandrew> d
2017-05-03T09:51:56 < zyp> how?
2017-05-03T09:52:17 < aandrew> now in schematic I do see Q12 (Q14) which I think usually happens when the sch and pcb aren't in sync
2017-05-03T09:52:52 < aandrew> it doesn't tell me the error
2017-05-03T09:53:02 < aandrew> just that remove Q12-1 from gnd or whatever is X instead of a checkmark
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2017-05-03T09:53:47 < zyp> also, have you tried turning it off and on again?
2017-05-03T09:53:50 < zyp> i.e. restart altium?
2017-05-03T09:54:49 < zyp> maybe some shit has gotten stuck in a cache or whatever
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2017-05-03T10:07:45 < aandrew> same shit
2017-05-03T10:25:38 < jadew> hmm, looks like weller is rebranding all their butane soldering irons
2017-05-03T10:25:58 < jadew> this is their top of the range one: http://www.engineer.jp/en/products/sk70e.html
2017-05-03T10:26:14 < jadew> with a slightly different case
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2017-05-03T10:29:03 < aandrew> weird
2017-05-03T10:29:27 < aandrew> if I try to import the changes from sch (I haven't saved the pcb yet so I can keep goin gback and trying to fix this)
2017-05-03T10:29:31 < aandrew> and I manuallly link
2017-05-03T10:29:54 < aandrew> I can see it's already matched Q12 in sch to Q12 in board, but ther's another Q12 it can't find a match for (no shit)
2017-05-03T10:30:03 < aandrew> sch doesn't show two Q12s yet there it is
2017-05-03T10:30:15 < fest> suppose I want to declare a static variable in SRAM which is not initialized/zeroed after reset (i.e. I want to store some program state in fault handlers and reset MCU). Should I create a new section in linker script which goes in SRAM and then place that variable in that section?
2017-05-03T10:31:36 < zyp> fest, yeah, that's my approach
2017-05-03T10:32:10 < zyp> ref. https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?id=4796432
2017-05-03T10:32:22 < zyp> I use it to pass info between application firmware and bootloader
2017-05-03T10:33:08 < zyp> and since it's shared between multiple builds like that, I've placed it at the start of sram so it's always in the same location, regardless of how big .data and .bss is
2017-05-03T10:34:47 < fest> zyp: thanks!
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2017-05-03T11:17:51 < Steffanx> Better show how you fixed it crt
2017-05-03T11:18:12 < Steffanx> New connector?
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2017-05-03T11:18:40 < Steffanx> 2) fuck off
2017-05-03T11:18:44 < Steffanx> Of
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2017-05-03T11:24:31 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-05-03T11:28:34 < fest> crt: some electricians cannot understand how to crimp rj45: http://imgur.com/a/RPxmy
2017-05-03T11:30:49 < fest> fixed by made-to-order needle  (i.e. bent with pliers)
2017-05-03T11:46:27 < jadew> my pogo pins have arrived
2017-05-03T11:46:41 < jadew> a new age of awesomeness programming is afoot
2017-05-03T11:47:04 < jadew> *awesome
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2017-05-03T12:03:03 < jadew> I don't have a rig yet, I'll have to build one
2017-05-03T12:04:08 < Steffanx> Copyrighted Rig Terminator. Aka crt.
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2017-05-03T12:23:24 < Steffanx> Could Report To police.
2017-05-03T12:28:09 < jadew> http://5.12.153.81/stuff/pins.png
2017-05-03T12:28:24 < jadew> this is going to be a tiny footprint
2017-05-03T12:29:15 < jadew> I wonder if it's better to make it a bit bigger tho, to simplify routing
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2017-05-03T12:59:04 < qyx> what manufacturer?
2017-05-03T13:00:22 < jadew> qyx, talking to me?
2017-05-03T13:00:32 < qyx> yep
2017-05-03T13:00:38 < qyx> forgot to address you
2017-05-03T13:00:46 < jadew> I don't know, I bought them from ebay
2017-05-03T13:00:54 < qyx> ah
2017-05-03T13:01:07 < jadew> 100 for 2 pounds
2017-05-03T13:01:22 < qyx> uhm, much cheaper than those we use at work
2017-05-03T13:01:33 < qyx> they are ranging ~3-10e/1pc
2017-05-03T13:01:56 < jadew> what's e? eur?
2017-05-03T13:02:03 < qyx> yes
2017-05-03T13:02:05 < jadew> wow
2017-05-03T13:02:13 < zyp> I don't assume your work sources from ebay either
2017-05-03T13:02:14 < jadew> that's expensive
2017-05-03T13:02:50 < zyp> but yeah, >1€/ea sounds very expensive
2017-05-03T13:05:50 < jadew> ok, so this header is going to occupy about 3.15x1.9mm
2017-05-03T13:06:10 < jadew> and there's plenty of room for routing between the pads
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2017-05-03T13:12:00 < jadew> hmm, you know what? if I'll add a hole for a non pogo pin, that's fairly tight
2017-05-03T13:12:19 < jadew> it would stay stuck, because the pogo pin would push the thing up
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2017-05-03T13:13:16 < jadew> and the pin in the whole *might* keep it place due to having pressure applied sideways
2017-05-03T13:13:41 < jadew> *pogo pins
2017-05-03T13:13:47 < jadew> *hole
2017-05-03T13:18:16 < zyp> what are you gonna use this for? cloning tag connect?
2017-05-03T13:20:59 < jadew> well, I want a programming header, not sure if it qualifies as a clone
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2017-05-03T13:33:17 < jadew> ffs
2017-05-03T13:33:24 < jadew> my connection sucks
2017-05-03T13:33:48 < Steffanx> Im not.
2017-05-03T13:34:06 < Steffanx> How do you feel about your waffles being in Germany atm crt?
2017-05-03T13:34:40 < Steffanx> Im not.
2017-05-03T13:36:03 < Steffanx> Pollen in the air
2017-05-03T13:37:00 < Steffanx> Why your connection is so bad lately jadew? What changed.
2017-05-03T13:37:05 < Steffanx> No beer at work
2017-05-03T13:37:19 < jadew> Steffanx, don't know
2017-05-03T13:37:28 < jadew> the IP doesn't change tho, which is strange
2017-05-03T13:38:53 < Steffanx> Your situation doesnt count. Its almost 2100 and you are still at work
2017-05-03T13:43:17 < Steffanx> \o/
2017-05-03T13:44:24 < sync> 12:44
2017-05-03T13:44:44 < Steffanx> I just read mp3 is totally free now. Better write your own mp3 coder/decoder and sell it crt
2017-05-03T13:44:57 < Steffanx> Steffan sync wut, crt?
2017-05-03T13:44:58 < sync> crt: I'm in his timezone, yes
2017-05-03T13:45:24 < Steffanx> Only waffles.
2017-05-03T13:45:35 < sync> and some tulips
2017-05-03T13:45:48 < Steffanx> Wooden shoes.
2017-05-03T13:46:52 < Steffanx> Ok. I should have send them
2017-05-03T13:48:30 < Steffanx> https://www.klompjes.com/getimage.php?image=https://www.klompjes.com/dynamic/media/7/images/producten/souvenirs/sleutelhanger-klomp-enkel/IMG_8065.jpg&width=640&height=480&alwaysmin=1
2017-05-03T13:49:21 < Steffanx> Time to get stoned in a'dam?
2017-05-03T13:51:16 < Steffanx> Some rules changed though, but im not sure it applied to all coffeeshop. You have to join/sign in for a coffee shop. To get rid of those non-dutch stoners
2017-05-03T13:51:32 < Steffanx> Yes
2017-05-03T13:53:10 < sync> iirc they stopped doing that because their tax revenue has tanked Steffanx
2017-05-03T13:54:42 < Steffanx> Oh they changed it again...
2017-05-03T13:55:02 < Steffanx> Pics..
2017-05-03T13:55:20 < Steffanx> Need to see aussie tom66
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2017-05-03T14:00:21 < Steffanx> Add a icon how to plug in connector
2017-05-03T14:00:28 < Steffanx> an
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2017-05-03T14:11:41 < Steffanx> Big business.. you can charge 100aud for it
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2017-05-03T14:39:36 < Steffanx> Heh
2017-05-03T14:39:54 < Steffanx> I must say i do that too with my keyboard
2017-05-03T14:41:02 < PaulFertser> That doesn't sound too bad tbh
2017-05-03T14:41:23 < Steffanx> Finding the power plug on the back without looking is annoying but yet i do it like that all the time
2017-05-03T14:41:31 < Steffanx> .
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2017-05-03T14:54:40 < jadew> http://5.12.153.81/stuff/pogo-header.png
2017-05-03T14:55:31 < Steffanx> Whats that crt?
2017-05-03T14:56:06 < Steffanx> The cat has something?
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2017-05-03T14:57:40 < jadew> the board has to be 0.6mm thick to give me 1.30 mm spacing (should be 1.27, but 0.03 is not noticeable)
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2017-05-03T15:22:07 < Steffanx> Pooor bird.
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2017-05-03T15:43:10 < englishman> crt: fresh music to play on your recones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSgls0Ce24
2017-05-03T15:48:24 < englishman> how is your day going crt https://gfycat.com/DependableParallelBanteng
2017-05-03T15:48:43 < Steffanx> But glue needs to stay elastic
2017-05-03T15:49:44 < Steffanx> Thanks for the info.
2017-05-03T15:53:40 < englishman> who here was holding $AMD
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2017-05-03T15:59:47 < englishman> so aussies type like they speak
2017-05-03T15:59:51 < englishman> in gibberish
2017-05-03T16:00:02 < Steffanx> Ya m8.
2017-05-03T16:00:28 < Steffanx> Such iphone..
2017-05-03T16:00:48 < englishman> crt is a socialite
2017-05-03T16:00:52 < englishman> this requires iphone
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2017-05-03T16:04:46 < Steffanx> Why they didnt add to extra characters to just write "adjust" instead of "adj."?
2017-05-03T16:04:53 < Steffanx> Two*
2017-05-03T16:08:05 < jadew> $1.35 to get that PCB built, with free shipping
2017-05-03T16:08:14 < jadew> (the one I linked earlier)
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2017-05-03T16:13:04 < jadew`> englishman, the guy survived?
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2017-05-03T16:13:40 < jadew`> good thing he lost most of his fuel when he hit the power lines
2017-05-03T16:15:16 < englishman> haha
2017-05-03T16:15:49 < jadew`> englishman, apparently he survived
2017-05-03T16:16:42 < englishman> yeah I did not expect that
2017-05-03T16:17:20 < jadew`> interview with the pilot: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/10/20/27707CC300000578-3034126-A_video_from_the_Philadelphia_Office_of_Transportation_shows_cha-a-47_1428694575369.jpg
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2017-05-03T16:27:19 < jadew> crt where is that from?
2017-05-03T16:28:54 < karlp> the car in the bikes?
2017-05-03T16:29:00 < jadew> yeah
2017-05-03T16:29:00 < karlp> a nyc event iirc
2017-05-03T16:29:04 < karlp> maybe two years ago?
2017-05-03T16:29:12 < karlp> pretty nuts hey
2017-05-03T16:29:44 < jadew> yeah
2017-05-03T16:30:02 < karlp> oh, migh thave been this brazilian one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHathcQR8k
2017-05-03T16:30:11 < karlp> yep, that's it
2017-05-03T16:35:03 < sync> yeah
2017-05-03T16:38:15 < jadew> it looks like the bikers started it
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2017-05-03T16:45:51 < karlp> wat
2017-05-03T16:47:21 < BrainDamage> he got plowed himself, hence disconnected
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2017-05-03T16:51:50 < jadew> karlp, apparently it was an illegal protest and he was trying to pass, and he got attacked (by other bikers in the back)
2017-05-03T16:52:08 < jadew> that's what he told the police anyway
2017-05-03T16:52:15 < jadew> and he was in the car with his son
2017-05-03T16:53:53 < jadew> if he was stuck in the middle and they were really attacking him, I can see how it could lead to what happened
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2017-05-03T17:48:05 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/RWPOJLH
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2017-05-03T17:50:18 < BrainDamage> I'll vote for whatever candidate that'll promise to make Laurenceb's links funny
2017-05-03T17:51:34 < karlp> are they at least big enough to read now?
2017-05-03T17:51:38 < aandrew> zyp: got it figured out
2017-05-03T17:51:47 < aandrew> guy who was doing the layout before me had fucked things up pretty good
2017-05-03T17:51:49 < aandrew> it wasn't me
2017-05-03T17:54:29 < jadew> is everyone around the world butthurt about saving tap water?
2017-05-03T17:54:40 < englishman> ?
2017-05-03T17:54:46 < jadew> I just saw a video where the guy had the water running for a couple of minutes and everyone in the comments was bitching about it
2017-05-03T17:54:48 < aandrew> yeah that was kind of random
2017-05-03T17:54:51 < aandrew> haha
2017-05-03T17:54:51 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eRdbvGXkio
2017-05-03T17:55:09 < englishman> jadew, many people decide to live in shitholes like arizona and california where they have to bring in water by truck
2017-05-03T17:55:43 < englishman> so they make dumb laws where you can only water your green grass lawn (totally needed because USA!) for 5h a day or wahtever
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2017-05-03T17:55:57 < jadew`> they don't have pipes?
2017-05-03T17:55:57 < englishman> but you can't wash your car
2017-05-03T17:56:32 < jadew`> crazy
2017-05-03T17:56:59 < jadew`> we had water laws and shortages during communism
2017-05-03T17:57:11 < englishman> americans love to live in uninhabitable places
2017-05-03T17:57:15 < jadew`> but I don't know what the problem was, we lived near a huge river
2017-05-03T17:57:28 < jadew`> once communism fell, water was not an issue anymore
2017-05-03T17:57:36 < englishman> are you downstream of chernobyl
2017-05-03T17:57:41 < jadew`> haha
2017-05-03T17:57:44 < jadew`> far from it
2017-05-03T17:58:36 < sync> saving water is pretty much dumb in most places that do not have draughts
2017-05-03T17:58:57 < sync> the water plant here has to flush a lot more since the overall consumption has gone down
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2017-05-03T18:00:34 < jadew`> I thought only people in africa had such issues, because of lack of infrastructure
2017-05-03T18:01:14 < sync> nah, the calibois had some issues as well
2017-05-03T18:01:45 < jadew`> in here you can dig anywhere and get watter
2017-05-03T18:02:08 < jadew`> like, there are layers upon layers of underground rivers
2017-05-03T18:02:34 < jadew`> *water
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2017-05-03T18:05:41 < sync> yeah it really depends on where you are
2017-05-03T18:05:47 < karlp> jadew`: that only works until people drill into it and start extracting it all.
2017-05-03T18:06:13 < sync> well, karlp you try pumping norway dry
2017-05-03T18:06:15 < karlp> aquifers aren't infinite even if they at time sseem like it.
2017-05-03T18:06:17 < sync> or iceland :P
2017-05-03T18:06:39 < karlp> sync: no aquifers here, would be very easy to pump the ground water dry
2017-05-03T18:06:47 < karlp> quite a few places have to have pipes laid to them.
2017-05-03T18:06:53 < karlp> it's all snowmelt and river catch
2017-05-03T18:07:10 < zyp> aandrew, haha, what was the cause?
2017-05-03T18:07:20 < sync> iirc iceland has the highest renewable water resource per capita
2017-05-03T18:07:30 < karlp> sure, and it all runs out to sea,
2017-05-03T18:07:39 < sync> which is 516000m³/inhabitant/a
2017-05-03T18:07:40 < karlp> but I was talking about ground water aquifers not being infinite
2017-05-03T18:08:33 < jadew`> karlp, by not being infinite you mean they have a limited renewal capacity?
2017-05-03T18:08:34 < karlp> we get a piddling amount of snow compared to other places too, thatnumber is massively inflated by our low population
2017-05-03T18:08:47 < karlp> jadew`: yes.
2017-05-03T18:10:12 < karlp> sync: the "we have so much water" argument is commmonly trotted out to mean, "it is our global citizen _duty_ to use all this alleged water to make electricity for alcan/alcoa/rio tinto" ....
2017-05-03T18:11:06 < karlp> conveniently overlooks the actual total amount of elec generation if we turned _all_ the water into power is still a drop in the ocean compared to even domestic german production
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2017-05-03T19:50:12 < Laurenceb__> https://tinyurl.com/n8nlzu4
2017-05-03T19:50:36 < Laurenceb__> the story of dongs
2017-05-03T19:50:48 < Laurenceb__> or maybe of crt
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2017-05-03T20:01:47 < BrainDamage> >loving < can't be from this channel
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2017-05-03T20:18:47 < Steffanx> Lies, i love you BrainDamage.
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2017-05-03T20:50:24 < TheSeven> how fast is the cortex m3 hardware multiplier?
2017-05-03T20:52:47 < emeb_mac> single cycle
2017-05-03T20:53:09 < emeb_mac> probably pipelined, but most stuff is
2017-05-03T20:53:21 < TheSeven> so multiplying might actually be a sensible alternative to some bitwise operations
2017-05-03T20:53:36 < emeb_mac> sure
2017-05-03T20:55:24 < Thorn> see page 3-32 in http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.100165_0201_00_en/arm_cortexm3_processor_trm_100165_0201_00_en.pdf
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2017-05-03T20:55:53 < zyp> yeah, it would even be preferable to do stuff like (x * 0x111) over something like ((x << 8) | (x << 4) | (x << 0))
2017-05-03T20:55:54 < Thorn> from 1 cycle for MUL to 4...7 for UMLAL
2017-05-03T20:56:31 < TheSeven> zyp: I wonder if the compiler would transform that under the hood
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2017-05-03T20:56:46 < Thorn> Multiply accumulate is 2 cycles, such DSP
2017-05-03T20:58:05 < zyp> TheSeven, doubt it, they are only equivalent for a subset of possible values for x
2017-05-03T20:58:59 < TheSeven> oh right, I was thinking ((x << 8) + (x << 4) + x)
2017-05-03T21:03:10 < emeb_mac> interestingly, the long signed mult accum in M4 is only one cycle
2017-05-03T21:03:24 < emeb_mac> but the single mult accum is 2 cycles
2017-05-03T21:03:54 < emeb_mac> maybe trying to preserve timing w/ M3 for single?
2017-05-03T21:08:21 < TheSeven> is there some kind of count leading zeros instruction on m3?
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2017-05-03T21:08:46 < TheSeven> or anything that could quickly figure out by how much a reg can be shifted left before it overflows?
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2017-05-03T21:09:21 < Ultrasauce> iirc gcc has an intrinsic for that, no idea if it maps to a thumb instruction
2017-05-03T21:14:39 < munki> you guys seen this st-audioweaver thing
2017-05-03T21:14:49 < munki> just got an email about it
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2017-05-03T21:29:38 < aandrew> sigh
2017-05-03T21:29:45 < aandrew> I wish there was a "place relative" in altium
2017-05-03T21:29:53 < aandrew> i.e. lay out a subcircuit that you have six of
2017-05-03T21:30:29 < aandrew> then select parts from the new one you want to lay out and say "place compnent R2 at the same x/y offset as R1 is from Q1"
2017-05-03T21:30:41 < aandrew> so how I've done R1/Q1, R2/Q2 get placed the same
2017-05-03T21:30:52 < aandrew> I'm relatively quick with egc, egv but it's not quite the same
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2017-05-03T21:48:05 < invzim> what's the best way of doing end-user filed update of firmware, taking risk/complexity and user friendlyness into account?  DISCUSS :)
2017-05-03T21:48:15 < invzim> I'm leaning towards micro sd card
2017-05-03T21:49:30 < invzim> field
2017-05-03T21:50:52 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/NlHrmVv
2017-05-03T21:50:57 < Laurenceb__> who was it
2017-05-03T21:51:37 < BrainDamage> usb mass storage and optionally pub key verification on the firmware signature
2017-05-03T21:53:32 < Laurenceb__> what are you trying to make?
2017-05-03T21:54:57 < invzim> I'm making a video scaler thingie, so also need to update spi flash for fpga
2017-05-03T21:55:34 < invzim> and some other stuff, if I'm making a bootloader/updater thingie, I would like to do it once :)
2017-05-03T21:56:10 < englishman> how about
2017-05-03T21:56:15 < englishman> don't write shitty code?
2017-05-03T21:56:19 < englishman> then you won't need to field update
2017-05-03T21:56:26 < aandrew> I alwys like the idea of a bootloader that can boot the main image or a restore image. main image is what always gets updated. safe image is written once in mfg and is write protected; all it does is say "gimme the firmwarez, yo"
2017-05-03T21:56:42 < aandrew> bootloader and safe image never change
2017-05-03T21:57:39 < invzim> englishman: lol
2017-05-03T21:58:28 < zyp> aandrew, if neither is upgraded ever, what's the point of separating bootloader and safe stage?
2017-05-03T21:58:52 < aandrew> zyp: depends on implementation. some have a bootloader that is quite restrictive in size
2017-05-03T21:58:56 < aandrew> so you can't do much but pick an image
2017-05-03T21:59:07 < aandrew> I did an fpga PCIe deisgn that worked that way because of the IP
2017-05-03T21:59:18 < aandrew> bootloader was tiny, all it could do is try an image and if it failed try another
2017-05-03T21:59:35 < zyp> ah, I thought we were talking about stm32 now
2017-05-03T21:59:38 < aandrew> so the safe image was known working earlier stage, stripped out ot only accept firmware updates and report that it was the safe image
2017-05-03T21:59:45 < aandrew> video scaler on stm32?
2017-05-03T21:59:54 < invzim> aandrew: with FPGA :)
2017-05-03T22:00:04 < invzim> and ADC and DAC
2017-05-03T22:00:09 < zyp> makes sense to separate if bootloader and safe images are on separate memories
2017-05-03T22:00:23 < zyp> aandrew, well, I haven't been following the conversation
2017-05-03T22:01:09 < invzim> BrainDamage: present stm32 as mass storage to host via usb?
2017-05-03T22:02:22 < Thorn> you need a scsi layer and a fat32 driver for mass storage
2017-05-03T22:06:41 < Laurenceb__> or a copy and a paste
2017-05-03T22:06:53 < Laurenceb__> from my github
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2017-05-03T22:54:58 < kakimir> recommend movies
2017-05-03T22:58:42 < invzim> I think I'm sticking with plan of using micro-sd, only pain there is on the physical side - affordable part# readily available..
2017-05-03T22:59:03 < invzim> for the micro-sd slot
2017-05-03T23:00:06 < Thorn> they're expensive
2017-05-03T23:00:26 < Thorn> $16.5 for a nrf52832 dev kit https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NRF52832-Development-Board-Applied-Wireless-Bluetooth-Transceiver-Module-Gold-Core-Board-For-RC-Toys/32790533467.html
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2017-05-03T23:29:17 < Steffanx> Dr Strange, Logal, Rogue One, Kong Skull Island, Hacksaw Ridge, La la land.. need more kakimir?
2017-05-03T23:29:26 < Steffanx> Resident Evi 7.
2017-05-03T23:29:44 < Steffanx> The accountant wasn't too bad either.
2017-05-03T23:30:03 < Steffanx> You'll like that last one, because Autism.
2017-05-03T23:30:44 < Rob235> ive seen all those but la la land
2017-05-03T23:31:08 < Steffanx> I've not seen La la land either. And i wont see it,
2017-05-03T23:31:26 < Lux> the latest resident evil movie sucked
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2017-05-03T23:32:04 < Steffanx> Yes, wasn't too great.
2017-05-03T23:32:13 < Rob235> they have been sucking for a while
2017-05-03T23:32:13 < englishman> hmm, microSD cages are dirt cheap
2017-05-03T23:32:24 < Steffanx> still a must watch when you have seen all of the others Lux :P
2017-05-03T23:32:30 < englishman> i got about 5min into la la land, what an awful movie
2017-05-03T23:32:46 < englishman> hollywood sure likes to jerk itself off
2017-05-03T23:33:14 < Rob235> you can only retell the same story so many times
2017-05-03T23:33:17 < Lux> Steffanx: yeah, i even saw it in the cinema
2017-05-03T23:33:19 < Steffanx> Worst movie i have seen from the begin to end and still wonder why: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1707386/
2017-05-03T23:33:28 < Lux> still did regret it
2017-05-03T23:33:49 < englishman> what a silly movie that was steffans
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2017-05-03T23:34:19 < Steffanx> yes
2017-05-03T23:34:28 < Lux> imo the worst movie ever was brüno
2017-05-03T23:34:46 < Rob235> that was bad... my gf thought it was funny unfortunately
2017-05-03T23:35:10 < Steffanx>  Sacha Baron Cohen there you go.. i dislike all he does.
2017-05-03T23:35:16 < Rob235> oh wait, i'm not thinking of bruno, I'm thinking of the other one
2017-05-03T23:36:59 < Rob235> borat
2017-05-03T23:38:02 < PaulFertser> Cannibal. The musical!
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2017-05-04T00:01:32 < Ultrasauce> kakimir: true grit
2017-05-04T00:01:39 < Ultrasauce> the new one
2017-05-04T00:03:24 < kakimir> http://www.freesupertips.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/tno.jpg the new one
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2017-05-04T00:25:52 < Thorn> http://www.freesupertits.co.uk/
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2017-05-04T00:34:51 < Laurenceb__> ooh tits
2017-05-04T00:35:18 < upgrdman> anyone used  https://www.protoexpress.com/
2017-05-04T00:35:22 < upgrdman> for pcb assy
2017-05-04T00:35:24 < Laurenceb__> would you like some horse with your muscles?
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2017-05-04T01:34:22 < Laurenceb__> the trap?
2017-05-04T01:34:31 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWMtss0u3Ns
2017-05-04T01:34:47 < Laurenceb__> how have I never watched this before
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2017-05-04T01:41:46 < ReadError> https://soundcloud.com/ytcracker/ytcracker-bitness
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2017-05-04T03:20:52 < PeterM> http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/banana-gluten-free-meal-ana-all-nippon-airways-martin-pavelka-special-airline-meals-a7714626.html
2017-05-04T03:21:00 < PeterM> good to see .jkp not putting up wiht shit
2017-05-04T03:21:03 < PeterM> *jp
2017-05-04T03:22:19 < PeterM> probably a case of the boy who cried wolf - too many cunts asking for GF food they were like "fuck it" and hte dude who had a legit reason was fucked
2017-05-04T03:24:27 < Laurenceb__> reeee
2017-05-04T03:24:43 < Laurenceb__> my mum is no longer talking to me
2017-05-04T03:24:52 < Laurenceb__> I said Hinduism was bullshit
2017-05-04T03:25:46 < Laurenceb__> no tendies for me
2017-05-04T03:26:24 < Laurenceb__> my mum is now an honoury hindu
2017-05-04T03:26:51 < jadew> what do they believe in?
2017-05-04T03:27:54 < Laurenceb__> enlightenment
2017-05-04T03:28:22 < jadew> they're trying to ascend?
2017-05-04T03:28:51 < aandrew> bah, altidumb
2017-05-04T03:29:02 < aandrew> can't have a bus net DI[1..8]#, must be DI#[1..8]
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2017-05-04T03:57:01 < jadew> sup?
2017-05-04T03:59:00 < jadew> interesting, when a pull request gets accepted on github, you don't get credit for it
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2017-05-04T03:59:02 < jadew> anywhere!
2017-05-04T03:59:20 < jadew> it doesn't show in the activities, it doesn't list you as a contributor, nada
2017-05-04T04:00:22 < jadew> there's 0 incentive for me to ever do it again
2017-05-04T04:01:18 < jadew> I made this one in the idea that people will get used to that feature and then they'll demand it out of future versions of similar software so I won't have to go through the pain of using shit UI
2017-05-04T04:01:44 < jadew> at the same time, I was afraid someone else might do it stupidly and I'll be stuck with it
2017-05-04T04:01:56 < jadew> damn, open source sucks..
2017-05-04T04:03:17 < jadew> not to mention I had to convert tabs to 2 spaces
2017-05-04T04:03:46 < jadew> that was awful
2017-05-04T04:04:15 < jadew> well, I never had to do that before
2017-05-04T04:04:34 < jadew> I already knew I don't like it
2017-05-04T04:11:19 < aandrew> jadew: if you're contributing for kudos you're doing it wrong
2017-05-04T04:11:42 < jadew> I wanted it on my activity thingie
2017-05-04T04:12:03 < jadew> but yeah, I don't see other reasons for doing it
2017-05-04T04:12:12 < jadew> there's no money in it, I'd better get some points
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2017-05-04T04:39:27 < aandrew> wow
2017-05-04T04:39:37 < aandrew> the ZXTN19100 is a pretty hefty little bipolar transistor
2017-05-04T04:40:03 < aandrew> sot23-3, 4.5A continuous Ic
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2017-05-04T04:57:19 < Rob235> https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/five-provinces-pull-extra-boozy-gin-from-liquor-store-shelves?utm_source=vicefbca
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2017-05-04T05:38:11 < englishman> jadew: did you make a pull request with entirely other people's commits?
2017-05-04T05:38:23 < jadew> no
2017-05-04T05:39:14 < englishman> unless you add your name to the credits, all you get is commit history. But its open sores and everything you do is supposed to be for the good of mankind, so why do you care?
2017-05-04T05:40:05 < jadew> don't know, I wanted the points
2017-05-04T05:51:18 < englishman> there are no winners with open source
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2017-05-04T06:06:59 < Rob235> thats popycock
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2017-05-04T06:12:49 < Rickta59> what project is that jadew
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2017-05-04T06:13:37 < jadew> Rickta59, nothing major, just a 20 lines atom extension
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2017-05-04T06:15:33 < ReadError> http://tux.io
2017-05-04T06:16:14 < Rickta59> heh .. my idea in 1999
2017-05-04T06:16:50 < jadew> https://de0.tux.io/vm/MarZy/desktop
2017-05-04T06:16:54 < Rickta59> i was using it to do co browsing without having to worry about people hacking you
2017-05-04T06:16:58 < jadew> NSFW
2017-05-04T06:17:22 < Rickta59> seems pretty responsive ... the net is now ready for this
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2017-05-04T06:17:56 < Rickta59> when i was doing it was over an early version of vnc
2017-05-04T06:18:11 < jadew> yeah, it's very responsive
2017-05-04T06:18:12 < Rickta59> and browsers on linux seriously sucked then
2017-05-04T06:18:30 < Rickta59> the protocol wasn't compressed then
2017-05-04T06:18:31 < jadew> I don't get it tho, this is a free service?
2017-05-04T06:19:09 < Rickta59> around 2000/2001 someone had this idea and was going to use it to provide persistant remote accessible desktops
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2017-05-04T06:20:15 < jadew> no audio tho
2017-05-04T06:20:22 < jadew> is that VM persistent?
2017-05-04T06:20:33 < jadew> looks like it can use pandora
2017-05-04T06:22:22 < Rickta59> who is doing this?
2017-05-04T06:22:43 < jadew> doing what?
2017-05-04T06:23:01 < Rickta59> running that site
2017-05-04T06:23:07 < Rickta59> tux.io
2017-05-04T06:23:15 < jadew> don't know
2017-05-04T06:23:29 < jadew> but it's pretty nice
2017-05-04T06:24:24 < ReadError> jadew: yes you save the #
2017-05-04T06:24:28 < ReadError> and you can share it etc
2017-05-04T06:24:32 < ReadError> reboots once a day
2017-05-04T06:24:43 < jadew> that's awesome
2017-05-04T06:24:48 < jadew> can't imagine it being free tho
2017-05-04T06:25:05 < ReadError> it is
2017-05-04T06:25:06 < jadew> lol
2017-05-04T06:25:28 < Rickta59> is this your site ReadError ?
2017-05-04T06:25:33 < ReadError> nah
2017-05-04T06:25:44 < ReadError> someone pasted it elsewhere
2017-05-04T06:25:49 < ReadError> thought it was neat so i pass it on
2017-05-04T06:25:54 < Rickta59> was it their site?
2017-05-04T06:26:28 < ReadError> nah
2017-05-04T06:27:34 < ReadError> i have no idea who runs it
2017-05-04T06:29:41 < jadew> who's doing that? :)
2017-05-04T06:29:46 < Rickta59> drawing?
2017-05-04T06:29:47 < Rickta59> me
2017-05-04T06:29:48 < jadew> yeah
2017-05-04T06:29:50 < jadew> heh
2017-05-04T06:30:09 < jadew> you seem very serious about using it
2017-05-04T06:30:39 < Rickta59> i was just trying it ... thinking back when i was running a service like this on intel 815s running at 550MHz
2017-05-04T06:30:59 < Rickta59> back when internet speeds were T1
2017-05-04T06:31:14 < Rickta59> my wan is faster now than my lan used to be
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2017-05-04T06:40:53 < Rickta59> actually, they were intel810e
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2017-05-04T07:06:54 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/AckNsBP.gifv
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2017-05-04T07:38:00 < upgrdman> two stereos in a car. two.  https://i.redd.it/c6ztmpqb5bvy.jpg
2017-05-04T07:48:36 < upgrdman> tps?
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2017-05-04T09:09:05 < ohsix> rtl-sdr is kewl
2017-05-04T09:09:15 < ohsix> just chillin' watching waterfalls, tons of weird shit
2017-05-04T09:09:46 < ohsix> need to get some other antennas
2017-05-04T09:09:56 < ohsix> there's real slow gfsk shit all over the band
2017-05-04T09:10:03 < ohsix> -g
2017-05-04T09:10:28 < ohsix> and haww  the one i was watching went away when i was out of the room
2017-05-04T09:11:26 < ohsix> tried to use gqrx on a pi3 and it locked up  in a few seconds due 2 heat even with small fft sizes and refresh rates
2017-05-04T09:11:59 < zyp> you sure it's heat and not lack of power?
2017-05-04T09:12:11 < ohsix> yea
2017-05-04T09:12:41 < ohsix> the heatsink went from 'normal' / just a little warm to almost too hot to touch the few times i tried it
2017-05-04T09:13:18 < ohsix> you can send the radio shit over wifi hehe, so you can put a big ass antenna somewhere else and bein your house without wires
2017-05-04T09:13:39 < ohsix> built gnss-sdr, and it works but i need a better antenna
2017-05-04T09:14:12 < ohsix> in entertainment value i should have bought this years ago
2017-05-04T09:14:29 < ohsix> lul crt i might get the license just for the callsign
2017-05-04T09:15:06 < ohsix> know lots of people that have and one or two trainers, and people keep telling me i should
2017-05-04T09:16:14 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/4kVtYxS.png lots of this all over
2017-05-04T09:17:24 < zyp> I tried emailing the guy that was supposedly responsible for ham exams in the area I lived last year, but he never replied
2017-05-04T09:17:28 < zyp> and then I moved
2017-05-04T09:35:23 < ohsix> it's probably just coincidence but there's a weird mix of tech people here, met people that worked at microsemi and etsy and twitter and dassault and uhh
2017-05-04T09:35:32 < ohsix> that big eda company
2017-05-04T09:36:21 < ohsix> the guy from microsemi is the rf guy and he's cool
2017-05-04T09:38:03 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/TQzjaDI.png loud
2017-05-04T09:38:30 < ohsix> lots of those channels around it too, some type of spread spectrum
2017-05-04T09:39:06 < ReadError> ohsix: was there no Last Week Tonight this week?
2017-05-04T09:40:30 < ohsix> i wonder if that is a video channel, it's huge
2017-05-04T09:40:34 < ohsix> ReadError: yea skipped a week
2017-05-04T09:40:58 < ohsix> using tvshow time? most of the 'it is out!' times happen to correspond to warez times hhe
2017-05-04T09:41:10 < ReadError> nah not used
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2017-05-04T09:42:20 < ohsix> it's good
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2017-05-04T09:42:28 < ohsix> haven't bothered keeping track of anything since
2017-05-04T09:42:46 < ohsix> there's a page that shows stuff you haven't seen too, so when you have time just flick over
2017-05-04T09:43:35 < ReadError> ya will need to check that out, im sure im mising things
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2017-05-04T09:46:47 < ohsix> huhu
2017-05-04T09:46:57 < ohsix> i got shit to do and people to hang out with, no time for it
2017-05-04T09:51:10 < ohsix> after looking at this shit hackrf looks like a good deal
2017-05-04T09:51:17 < ohsix> tx and rx up to 6ghz
2017-05-04T09:51:24 < ohsix> for like 300
2017-05-04T09:51:36 < ohsix> that's if you buy it from them, there are some on ali for like 120
2017-05-04T09:54:52 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/cWoO32e.png another neat thing
2017-05-04T09:55:28 < ohsix> ohhh i think these are itron meters
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2017-05-04T09:55:37 < ohsix> we had some for something i was working on
2017-05-04T09:56:33 < ohsix> there's a pilot tone sync thing on some of them, and they're pretty far apart
2017-05-04T10:00:34 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/EGi7v4c.png is this qam? hehehe
2017-05-04T10:00:46 < ohsix> dang if nobody knows this shit i might have to get that ham license
2017-05-04T10:03:44 < ohsix> aaaa i'd forgotten about this http://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Signal_Identification_Guide found it last year
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2017-05-04T10:06:26 < ohsix> http://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/FLEX found it
2017-05-04T10:06:34 < ohsix> dang being able to go by sound really nails it
2017-05-04T10:07:01 < ohsix> http://www.sigidwiki.com/images/b/b9/4FSK_FLEX.jpg
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2017-05-04T10:31:35 < qyx> O_o 10pcs of china quality 10x10cm pcbs for $4.90
2017-05-04T10:31:47 < qyx> last time it was still ~$10
2017-05-04T10:39:51 < ohsix> nice
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2017-05-04T10:47:37 < ohsix> oof this radio shit is cool
2017-05-04T10:48:01 < ohsix> something about seeing it and poking it
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2017-05-04T11:20:11 < Steffanx> Dead
2017-05-04T11:20:30 < Steffanx> Cloudy sky.
2017-05-04T11:20:36 < Steffanx> Like in no blue.
2017-05-04T11:21:28 < Steffanx> http://www.50plusser.nl/forum/userpix/112282_folldalbedframe__0173470_PE327665_S454kofinfuus_2.jpg
2017-05-04T11:30:07 < Steffanx> You mean here as in physically?
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2017-05-04T11:33:52 < Haining_linux> anyone knows stm32 USB host communicate with andriod?
2017-05-04T11:34:37 < zyp> Haining_linux, please clarify your question
2017-05-04T11:35:34 < Haining_linux> the andriod does not support OTG
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2017-05-04T11:36:23 < zyp> what is it exactly you want to do?
2017-05-04T11:37:30 < zyp> but yes, usb host-capable stm32 devices are able to communicate with any device, given the appropriate code
2017-05-04T11:38:06 < zyp> doing something like android IOIO on a stm32f4 is entirely possible
2017-05-04T11:38:24 < Haining_linux> Use usb, STM32 as host to communicate with Android device
2017-05-04T11:39:36 < Haining_linux> So it is feasible?
2017-05-04T11:40:00 < zyp> yes
2017-05-04T11:40:48 < Haining_linux> doing something like android IOIO on a stm32f4 is entirely possible
2017-05-04T11:40:56 < Haining_linux> Where are the difficulties and limitations?
2017-05-04T11:41:01 < PaulFertser> Haining_linux: what do you mean when you say "the andriod does not support OTG"?
2017-05-04T11:41:08 < zyp> https://github.com/YuuichiAkagawa/STM32F4_ADK <- here's somebody having done just that
2017-05-04T11:41:23 < zyp> PaulFertser, that the android device he wants to use it with doesn't support host mode, only device
2017-05-04T11:41:31 < zyp> so the stm32 needs to act as host
2017-05-04T11:41:42 < Haining_linux> android device does not support OTG
2017-05-04T11:41:56 < PaulFertser> zyp: but it's not android's limitation, rather some specific hardware or software quirk of a specific device.
2017-05-04T11:42:17 < zyp> that is correct, I read "the android" as "the particular android device I want to use"
2017-05-04T11:42:39 < Haining_linux> yes,adnroid device limit
2017-05-04T11:42:47 < PaulFertser> Haining_linux: do you have root on that device and are you able of running custom kernel / kernel modules on it?
2017-05-04T11:43:27 < zyp> PaulFertser, you don't need that, android has an accessory profile that's designed to work around this exact limitation
2017-05-04T11:43:35 < zyp> PaulFertser, look at the android IOIO
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2017-05-04T11:44:09 < zyp> all you need is to implement a host capable of speaking to that profile
2017-05-04T11:44:13 < Haining_linux> can not root now
2017-05-04T11:44:35 < PaulFertser> zyp: hm, haven't heard about IOIO before. Another stupid android (mis-)feature, sigh...
2017-05-04T11:45:16 < zyp> eh, it solved a problem
2017-05-04T11:45:31 < PaulFertser> By creating other problems.
2017-05-04T11:45:48 < zyp> but yeah, using an android device capable of acting as host would make everyting a lot more simple
2017-05-04T11:45:50 < PaulFertser> Android always was a big out-of-tree unmaintainable pile of shit.
2017-05-04T11:46:03 < zyp> haha
2017-05-04T11:46:32 < dongs> Intel calls the technique of four transfers per cycle Quad Pumping.
2017-05-04T11:46:46 < zyp> I actually worked with android for a living some years ago
2017-05-04T11:47:17 < zyp> you don't have to tell me about maintainability :)
2017-05-04T11:47:39 < PaulFertser> zyp: using it on embedded level or on Dalvik/ART level?
2017-05-04T11:48:19 < zyp> embedded, I worked on android side lowlevel drivers for STE 3G/4G modems
2017-05-04T11:49:14 < PaulFertser> Oh my
2017-05-04T11:49:35 < zyp> mostly the part that managed power, bootloading and setup/teardown of communication channels towards it
2017-05-04T11:49:40 < Haining_linux> Root will be more trouble, because the product may be mass production
2017-05-04T11:50:10 < PaulFertser> What kind of MP device doesn't support OTG nowadays?
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2017-05-04T12:34:51 < karlp> PaulFertser: all the ones that stuck a hub in front of the socs otg port for instance.
2017-05-04T12:35:04 < karlp> and all the ones that didn't bother including otg drivers,because, "what are they for"
2017-05-04T12:37:22 < zyp> that's the opposite problem though
2017-05-04T12:37:52 < zyp> the hub forces you into host only, problem here was a lack of host capability
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2017-05-04T12:53:51 < karlp> jadew: what's your github id?
2017-05-04T12:54:09 < karlp> are you sure you're not listed on github.com/project/repo/graphs/contributions ?
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2017-05-04T13:05:49 < Steffanx> I have. I dreamt about him last night
2017-05-04T13:08:03 < Steffanx> Anyone here experience with some good hdd dampers? Disks in my NAS in my room make the case vibrate/resonate terribly
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2017-05-04T13:08:55 < Steffanx> Ill use fat on you.
2017-05-04T13:09:34 < Steffanx> Yes, it has those rubber rings, but those dont work
2017-05-04T13:10:20 < Steffanx> Fractal Define R4.
2017-05-04T13:10:50 < Steffanx> It has 7 disks, but one is enough  make this terrible humming noise
2017-05-04T13:11:05 < zyp> the fuck sort of drives do you buy?
2017-05-04T13:11:46 < Steffanx> Its not the disks.
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2017-05-04T13:14:27 < zyp> Steffanx, so you're saying the case is shit?
2017-05-04T13:15:07 < Steffanx> Or maybe my autism is extremely sensitive to this low freq sound
2017-05-04T13:15:41 < jpa-> i have same problem, no solution
2017-05-04T13:15:53 < jpa-> the humming is no problem but the disks go "tsk tsk tsk"
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2017-05-04T13:26:47 < Steffanx> Ofcourse crt.
2017-05-04T13:29:33 < Steffanx> Oh i better go pro: http://m.imgur.com/a/sbI1I
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2017-05-04T13:34:52 < emeryth> just hang them on the power and data cables
2017-05-04T13:36:21 < karlp> crt: good monring to you too :)
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2017-05-04T13:37:00 < Steffanx> Hah sounds like a wonderful idea emeryth
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2017-05-04T13:42:23 < zoobab> hi
2017-05-04T13:43:24 < Steffanx> Lo
2017-05-04T13:44:16 < zoobab> anyone using bluepills here?
2017-05-04T13:44:29 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-05-04T13:44:53 < zoobab> trying to compile versaloon JTAG firmware for one
2017-05-04T13:45:09 < zoobab> is this chan linked to stm32duino.com?
2017-05-04T13:45:25 < Steffanx> Versaloon.. is that still a thing?
2017-05-04T13:45:48 < Steffanx> No not at all. Except for stm32
2017-05-04T13:46:04 < zoobab> I am looking for a JTAG firmware that would work with urjtag
2017-05-04T13:46:23 < zoobab> BMP has no support for most MIPS targets I want
2017-05-04T13:48:25 < emeryth> zoobab: so what's your problem with compiling?
2017-05-04T13:48:50 < emeryth> I think I ran versaloon firmware on a generic F103 board back in the day...
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2017-05-04T14:16:02 < Steffanx> Wb jadew
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2017-05-04T14:42:55 < englishman> yay vancouver https://twitter.com/VPDSuperDavey/status/859855254287810560/photo/1
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2017-05-04T14:47:34 < Steffanx> Fake news, englishman
2017-05-04T14:48:26 < englishman> yeah fake as fuck, right.
2017-05-04T14:48:29 < englishman> but i still lol'd
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2017-05-04T15:03:46 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq_JGiv21Fc
2017-05-04T15:04:15 < karlp> bit lame having police setting up fake shit like that though
2017-05-04T15:04:37 < karlp> s/bit/fucking shameful/
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2017-05-04T15:09:40 < ABLomas> =)
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2017-05-04T15:14:27 < Laurenceb__> http://thegoldwater.com/news/2703-Psychologists-Give-Nod-to-Masturbating-at-Work
2017-05-04T15:14:56 < Laurenceb__>  > Nottingham
2017-05-04T15:16:52 < karlp> courts in multiple countries have upheld the right to wank at work
2017-05-04T15:18:56 < zoobab> any good source to buy a gd32 board?
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2017-05-04T15:25:50 < emeryth> tme.eu has official gd32 devboards
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2017-05-04T15:27:14 < emeryth> banana brand CD with software included
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2017-05-04T15:28:47 < zoobab> starting at 35eur
2017-05-04T15:32:58 < Steffanx> And when you are lucky you get a mini cd
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2017-05-04T15:44:31 < zyp> hmm, the gpio blocks on ti hercules sucks, there's no way to do an atomic masked set operation
2017-05-04T15:45:13 < zyp> set as in set to value
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2017-05-04T15:46:38 < zyp> there's a DSET register and a DCLR register which each acts as one half of BSRR in stm32, but you can't write both in a single operation, so there's no way to set some bits to 0 and some bits to 1 simultaneously
2017-05-04T15:47:19 < karlp> you can still write to the whole port though right?
2017-05-04T15:47:33 < zyp> yes, there's a DOUT
2017-05-04T15:51:51 < karlp> in this nrf52 board linked earlier: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NRF52832-Development-Board/32790533467.html what do you reckon the footprint on the bottom is for?
2017-05-04T15:52:19 < englishman> karlp: shameful describes vancouver police quite well
2017-05-04T15:52:28 < zyp> karlp, looks like the small nrf51 modules I bought once
2017-05-04T15:52:57 < zyp> hmm, no, not enough pins
2017-05-04T15:52:58 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/BC358.JPG
2017-05-04T15:53:15 < zyp> but something like that
2017-05-04T15:53:26 < englishman> yes probably to swap the devboard between nrf51 and nrf52
2017-05-04T15:53:44 < zyp> or just between two different module form factors
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2017-05-04T16:02:20 < c10ud^> EVALKITST7590 anyone? can't find the docs for this one
2017-05-04T16:06:54 < zyp> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/evalkitst7590-q1.html <- the docs here you mean?
2017-05-04T16:10:43 < c10ud^> zyp, thanks, I didn't see the big one, however the sw is still missing... just trying to understand scalability and complexity (i.e. running a few stuff inside the comm mcu)
2017-05-04T16:11:01 < c10ud^> (and 1 master node talking to > 100)
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2017-05-04T16:12:19 < c10ud^> I will check on CubeMX
2017-05-04T16:14:01 < c10ud^> ah, mcu-eval only on cubemx
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2017-05-04T16:26:53 < BrainDamage> crt: you should have this as a poster in the lab: https://i.imgur.com/saT3E8q.png
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2017-05-04T16:53:46 < jadew> Steffanx, thanks
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2017-05-04T17:05:01 < Laurenceb__> Alex Jones admitted he occasionally smokes marijuana “to monitor its strength, which is how law enforcement does it.” He told the court he took the drug because he believes it is now too strong
2017-05-04T17:05:06 < Laurenceb__> ED delivers
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2017-05-04T17:13:57 < ReadError> wat
2017-05-04T17:21:20 < Steffanx> crt: stvvn
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2017-05-04T17:46:22 < Steffanx> Ive seen this in my quest for little modules Karlp:
2017-05-04T17:46:25 < Steffanx> https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/1621684408.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&productId=1621684408&productSubject=25pcs-lot-NRF51822-Bluetooth-wireless-module-free-shipping&spm=2114.40010208.4.1.rOmkEu
2017-05-04T17:46:37 < Steffanx> Looks like it fits
2017-05-04T17:47:02 < Steffanx> (mobile much)
2017-05-04T17:47:34 < Steffanx> on my quest*
2017-05-04T17:47:35 < karlp> yeah that link is gross
2017-05-04T17:48:11 < karlp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/25pcs-lot-NRF51822-Bluetooth-wireless-module-free-shipping/1621684408.html
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2017-05-04T17:49:01 < karlp> Steffanx: are you srue that's actually nrf51?
2017-05-04T17:49:11 < karlp> docs are about cc2541
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2017-05-04T17:53:46 < englishman> 25 pieces for $285???
2017-05-04T17:56:50 < Steffanx> No im not. I just recall seeing on my quest
2017-05-04T17:57:02 < Steffanx> And it wasnt tiny enough so skipped it :P
2017-05-04T17:58:43 < Steffanx> But bottom desc/silk looks like real nrf. Pin naming + swd fits
2017-05-04T17:58:58 < Steffanx> Seeing it*
2017-05-04T17:59:33 < Steffanx> I just had to google really fast englishman, probably not the best deal.
2017-05-04T18:00:08 < Thorn> what do I use for a ble snffer/analyzer
2017-05-04T18:00:32 < branjb> Thorn: https://greatscottgadgets.com/ubertoothone/
2017-05-04T18:01:27 < branjb> https://github.com/greatscottgadgets/ubertooth/wiki/FAQ#q-what-can-the-ubertooth-capture
2017-05-04T18:04:28 < emeryth> what, you don't need that for BLE
2017-05-04T18:05:02 < emeryth> for BLE all you need is any NRF51822 board
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2017-05-04T18:05:15 < emeryth> they offer a sniffer firmware
2017-05-04T18:05:53 < emeryth> TI also sells a ble sniffer
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2017-05-04T18:11:23 < Thorn> TI has software called "btool" that works with cc254x, dunno yet if Nordic has an equivalent
2017-05-04T18:11:33 < Thorn> they better have one, I have a nrf52-dk
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2017-05-04T18:12:52 < Thorn> do I have to buy the ubertooth hardware? can I use some other board with the same chip (whatever it is)?
2017-05-04T18:15:04 < branjb> schematic is @ https://github.com/greatscottgadgets/ubertooth/tree/master/hardware/ubertooth-one
2017-05-04T18:17:58 < Thorn> ok thanks studying
2017-05-04T18:20:20 < emeryth> Thorn: https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Bluetooth-low-energy/nRF-Sniffer
2017-05-04T18:21:18 < Thorn> 51 only, not 52 wtf
2017-05-04T18:23:39 < emeryth> they say it runs on 52, google it
2017-05-04T18:25:53 < Thorn> https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/question/95038/sniffer-for-nrf52832/
2017-05-04T18:26:27 < Thorn> rare example of backwards compatibility
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2017-05-04T19:15:19 < branjb> when's too early to apply for jobs?  ie, looking to start in jan 2018, 3-4 months prior to that about right?
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2017-05-04T19:22:40 < zyp> it's never too early to start making connections
2017-05-04T19:23:50 < branjb> hmm
2017-05-04T19:24:28 < branjb> it won't look bad to apply for current postings now and then tell them "btw not available till next year" ?
2017-05-04T19:25:11 < munki> i got offered and signed for a job with 18mo advance start date
2017-05-04T19:26:28 < Steffanx> It can also be a nice time to just contact some companies even when they dont have vacancies
2017-05-04T19:26:52 < Steffanx> Munki to finish your study?
2017-05-04T19:28:01 < branjb> damn
2017-05-04T19:28:29 < munki> Steffanx: nah to serve out my usaf contract
2017-05-04T19:29:19 < munki> i later ended up bailing on them when i got the chance to get stationed in hawaii and extended my tour, though
2017-05-04T19:29:49 < Steffanx> Another usa army guy.
2017-05-04T19:30:03 < branjb> lol
2017-05-04T19:30:17 < munki> not army
2017-05-04T19:30:21 < munki> air force
2017-05-04T19:30:25 < karlp> same thing for anyone not in the forces themselves
2017-05-04T19:30:30 < munki> wrong
2017-05-04T19:30:33 < munki> as
2017-05-04T19:30:34 < munki> fuck
2017-05-04T19:30:42 < karlp> you're int he forces, did you read what I wrote? :)
2017-05-04T19:30:48 < munki> wrong
2017-05-04T19:30:50 < munki> as
2017-05-04T19:30:51 < munki> wrong
2017-05-04T19:30:52 < branjb> it's ok munki not all countries can afford to have dedicated branches of military
2017-05-04T19:30:53 < munki> as
2017-05-04T19:30:58 < munki> fuck
2017-05-04T19:31:13  * karlp caught a good one ;)
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2017-05-04T19:33:03 < munki> thats like saying someone working for the cia is the same as someone working for the fbi
2017-05-04T19:33:10 < munki> its just factually incorrect
2017-05-04T19:33:40 < munki> or if someone said they work at microsoft and you were like oh pff another ibm guy
2017-05-04T19:34:04 < branjb> or being at the airport in uniform and a kid being like "look mom an army man"
2017-05-04T19:35:03 < Rob235> just say military man/guy
2017-05-04T19:39:56 < branjb> you still in munki or you doing other things now?
2017-05-04T19:41:11 < zyp> finally received STEVAL-3DP001V1, now comes the fun part of figuring out what to attack first
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2017-05-04T19:43:48 < munki> still in
2017-05-04T19:43:55 < branjb> e or o?
2017-05-04T19:44:03 < BrainDamage> munki: only the us redefines the term "army", the rest of the world the army encompasses all the branches, and you add a specifier only if necessary
2017-05-04T19:44:06 < munki> just got to hawaii earliet this year
2017-05-04T19:44:12 < BrainDamage> so you're being a dick unnecessarily
2017-05-04T19:44:14 < munki> e5 atm
2017-05-04T19:44:21 < branjb> cool
2017-05-04T19:44:29 < branjb> what afsc?
2017-05-04T19:44:35 < munki> BrainDamage: in english speaking countries there is a distinction
2017-05-04T19:44:38 < munki> 1b4x1
2017-05-04T19:44:47 < branjb> i was a 1n5/1a3
2017-05-04T19:44:59 < branjb> is that the super cyber warrior one?
2017-05-04T19:45:01 < BrainDamage> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/army
2017-05-04T19:45:04 < munki> ya
2017-05-04T19:45:09 < BrainDamage> not according to the dictionary
2017-05-04T19:45:10 < zyp> munki, a lot of us doesn't live in english speaking countries though
2017-05-04T19:45:28 < munki> but we are speaking english....
2017-05-04T19:46:01 < zyp> anyway, you're splitting hairs
2017-05-04T19:46:07 < BrainDamage> ^
2017-05-04T19:46:08 < branjb> lol
2017-05-04T19:46:10 < zyp> see 1c of BrainDamage's link
2017-05-04T19:46:20 < karlp> or, as we started with: 16:30 < karlp> same thing for anyone not in the forces themselves
2017-05-04T19:46:23  * karlp grins
2017-05-04T19:46:35 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-04T19:46:40 < munki> im not, someone said i was in the army and i corrected them
2017-05-04T19:46:49 < munki> pretty simple to me
2017-05-04T19:47:05 < BrainDamage> you overreacted quite a bit for such simple mistake
2017-05-04T19:47:07 < zyp> no, that's not what they said
2017-05-04T19:47:19 < munki> i have never been, or ever intend to be in any army
2017-05-04T19:47:28 < karlp> zyp: was looking at the atm90 whatsit.  has the same range of phase offset calibration as my existing stuff, so some of the rog coils I've had through are still unable to be calibrated.
2017-05-04T19:47:50 < zyp> karlp, how so?
2017-05-04T19:47:53 < karlp> what was cool though was that it offers three calibration factors for different currents, to handle cheap coils/cts that are non-linear
2017-05-04T19:48:16 < zyp> same range as in not enough range?
2017-05-04T19:48:18 < karlp> it allows a +- 125usec delay to compenate for phase offsets
2017-05-04T19:48:28 < karlp> the ade7758 is like -60/+150 or something
2017-05-04T19:48:36 < zyp> ah
2017-05-04T19:48:43 < karlp> so eyah, ~similar
2017-05-04T19:48:46 < zyp> what sort of offsets do you see then?
2017-05-04T19:48:51 < karlp> fuckking all sorts
2017-05-04T19:49:31 < karlp> but, we got some yesterday that arrived with ~0 phase offset, was pretty sweet :) they were also the cheapest so far :)
2017-05-04T19:50:18 < karlp> but different sizes from the same company were also off the scale again.
2017-05-04T19:51:33 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhgJJbEXR5Y
2017-05-04T19:53:12 < Laurenceb__> lul @ clickbait
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2017-05-04T19:59:59 < Steffanx> Lol you fell for it :D
2017-05-04T20:00:13 < Steffanx> @ munki
2017-05-04T20:00:30 < Steffanx> I know army people love it.
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2017-05-04T20:49:59 < Getty> someone knows by random any laboratory tables that are by concept easy to build up and down and put at another place?
2017-05-04T20:50:39 < Getty> doesnt need to be too easy, just i cant move it "in one place" where i want to have it and i also already know that it will be moved soon to another location
2017-05-04T20:52:32 < zyp> what qualifies as a laboratory table?
2017-05-04T20:53:18 < BrainDamage> the solder stains
2017-05-04T20:53:56 < Getty> well i said it so that i do not mean a table for a little computer alone ;)
2017-05-04T20:53:58 < Getty> a bit more stable
2017-05-04T20:54:09 < zyp> so a proper desk?
2017-05-04T20:54:12 < Getty> doesnt need to be fancy laboratory, but stable for equipment
2017-05-04T20:54:27 < Getty> well you could say that, but i wanted to point out for what it is used ;)
2017-05-04T20:54:44 < Getty> but yeah a proper good desk with a simple assembly and disassembly would be good
2017-05-04T20:54:51 < zyp> I like my ikea desk, which I've taken with me on two moves so far since I bought it
2017-05-04T20:55:02 < Getty> which one is it? got a name?
2017-05-04T20:55:32 < Getty> IKEA would be good but so far IKEA products do not show good quality about the disassembly ;)
2017-05-04T20:55:35 < zyp> IIRC the series was called GALANT, some modular stuff, but it seems to be discontinued now
2017-05-04T20:55:44 < Getty> of course...
2017-05-04T20:55:46 < zyp> I bought it in 2011
2017-05-04T20:56:12 < Getty> i have a super awesome foldable chair of ikea, its perfect, but it also is discontinue
2017-05-04T20:56:22 < Getty> it feels like if the product is better as the rest of IKEA quality they discontinue it ;)
2017-05-04T20:56:39 < zyp> and it holds up fine, it got a metal frame and the top plate got plastic inserts where it's screwed to the frame
2017-05-04T20:56:52 < zyp> hehe
2017-05-04T20:57:04 < Getty> you do not mean by random those ones? http://www.ikea.com/de/de/catalog/products/S09006390/?cid=88J8jCYfsxSQG1A2ZIlHnKEW9PV9L8
2017-05-04T20:57:29 < zyp> no, those are the newer ones that they sell now
2017-05-04T20:57:33 < zyp> GALANT was modular
2017-05-04T20:57:54 < Getty> yeah they sell ALL other GALANT beside the desks
2017-05-04T20:58:57 < zyp> ah, found a photo from when I'd just bought it
2017-05-04T20:58:58 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/7BS9j.jpg
2017-05-04T20:59:15 < zyp> so that's a big main plate and an extension to the right
2017-05-04T20:59:33 < Getty> ah ok so the only disadvantage is that the new ones are not having those extensions?
2017-05-04T20:59:36 < Getty> i mean they look pretty similar
2017-05-04T21:00:09 < zyp> yeah, the new ones aren't modular, so you can't extend them, you're stuck with the base size
2017-05-04T21:00:20 < zyp> if the base size is good enough for you, they're probably decent
2017-05-04T21:00:28 < zyp> not sure I like the rounded corners though
2017-05-04T21:00:31 < Getty> well that would in my case even be ok
2017-05-04T21:00:44 < Getty> well i just want to be sure i do not buy something that i can throw away next the movement
2017-05-04T21:00:58 < Getty> i didnt checked really ikea cause all my other ikea products are in that direction but yeah i remember those tables
2017-05-04T21:01:08 < Getty> they are really good i think we had them in other offices
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2017-05-04T21:03:53 < zyp> well, you get what you pay for, ikea has stuff in a range of prices
2017-05-04T21:05:05 < zyp> I bought two desks for 15€ each on ikea on tuesday, I don't think they would be just as durable :)
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2017-05-04T21:25:04 < englishman> GALANT was great, miss that series
2017-05-04T21:25:22 < Steffanx> We should start a fan club.
2017-05-04T21:26:52 < englishman> ##galant
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2017-05-04T21:58:25 < zyp> the power scheme on this STEVAL board is retarded
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2017-05-04T21:59:55 < zyp> 5V_STLINK -> 5V_CONTROL -> VDD_5V -> 3V3_STLINK, and the first is an active switch controlled by a gpio on the stlink that's eventually powered by it
2017-05-04T22:00:47 < zyp> which for some reason has a pullup disabling it until it's actively asserted, so I can't power up the board from stlink usb without manually overriding the enable line to that switch
2017-05-04T22:01:20 < zyp> it also has some current limiting shit, and it seems like it's on the border of dropping out all the time
2017-05-04T22:01:35 < zyp> presumably because this wifi module draws a bunch of power
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2017-05-04T22:30:36 < kakimir> sync: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKc2l6NGtmcjFfX1U/view?usp=sharing left to usb connector there is the burn
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2017-05-04T22:31:20 < sync> ok?
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2017-05-04T22:32:03 < kakimir> anyways does anyone know that samsung usb connector product codes or anything? dongs ?
2017-05-04T22:32:18 < kakimir> there is double pins both side
2017-05-04T22:32:43 < kakimir> 2 - double - 3 - double - 2
2017-05-04T22:33:09 < kakimir> and the wider side of the usb connector is at the top not rigth above pcb
2017-05-04T22:33:44 < kakimir> I got that wrong as I was able to find matching pad pattern
2017-05-04T22:35:33 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZXluRjl4a3lHMmM?usp=sharing ghetto'ed some bolt and nut into amphenol 62GB key
2017-05-04T22:38:36 < kakimir> fukker didn't want to come apart without some counterpart that fit into couping ring
2017-05-04T22:38:40 < kakimir> *coupling
2017-05-04T22:40:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmmetRAmtRU music times
2017-05-04T22:43:45 < kakimir> is there clipboard history for windows 10?
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2017-05-04T22:44:41 < kakimir> also need a tool to screenshot and name the file and upload to cloud and save in selected location preferrably all at once
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2017-05-04T23:07:57 < upgrdman> random thought: are there any oscope with >4 analog channels that are meant to be used like a 4ch scope? e.g. real time, not just data acquisition pooping data out to a pc
2017-05-04T23:08:04 < upgrdman> i dont need one, just curious
2017-05-04T23:08:17 < sync> yokogawa scope corder?
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2017-05-04T23:43:19 < Laurenceb_> epin bread https://archive.fo/LTtJ7
2017-05-04T23:48:14 < zyp> hmm, this steval board had installed headers for the swd interface to the onboard stlink
2017-05-04T23:48:22 < kakimir> tl;dr
2017-05-04T23:48:24 < zyp> so reflashing it with BMP firmware was straight forward
2017-05-04T23:48:27 < kakimir> please summarize Laurenceb_
2017-05-04T23:48:48 < Laurenceb_> ur time at school was wasted
2017-05-04T23:48:54 < Laurenceb_> SMASH THE SYSTEM
2017-05-04T23:49:11 < englishman> why bmp and not jlink? or why mess with it at all?
2017-05-04T23:49:36 < zyp> because BMP is what I'm used to using
2017-05-04T23:49:41 < zyp> and it tends to just work
2017-05-04T23:50:26 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: truely
2017-05-04T23:50:44 < Laurenceb_> bmp just makes me rage
2017-05-04T23:50:54 < englishman> it gives you an odb server right?
2017-05-04T23:51:01 < Laurenceb_> gdb server only its weird and convoluted
2017-05-04T23:51:06 < kakimir> school is just a prison for kids for time period their parents are at work
2017-05-04T23:51:12 < zyp> Laurenceb_, big deal, what doesn't make you rage?
2017-05-04T23:51:20 < englishman> yeah all these workarounds just to use lunix
2017-05-04T23:51:38 < kakimir> or at least in worst case it can be
2017-05-04T23:51:42 < Laurenceb_> chibios
2017-05-04T23:51:47 < Laurenceb_> its a nice os
2017-05-04T23:51:53 < zyp> englishman, not even using lunix :p
2017-05-04T23:52:01 < Laurenceb_> stm32, its a nice µC
2017-05-04T23:52:05 < englishman> steveBSD
2017-05-04T23:52:07 < zyp> but eh
2017-05-04T23:52:28 < zyp> just not having to dick around with host side gdbservers is convenient as fuck
2017-05-04T23:52:43 < Laurenceb_> chibios HAL is epin apart from the fact its a bit limiting
2017-05-04T23:52:57 < Laurenceb_> but for simple stuff on F4 its perfect
2017-05-04T23:53:11 < Laurenceb_> even tho F4 is usually overpowered for what you are doing
2017-05-04T23:53:15 < zyp> hope it's better than it was six years ago
2017-05-04T23:53:46 < Laurenceb_> for glorified tarduino level shit it works perfectly
2017-05-04T23:54:01 < zyp> six years ago it couldn't even do i2c properly
2017-05-04T23:54:10 < Laurenceb_> but no HAL is going to be perfect if you want to squeeze something weird out of the hardware
2017-05-04T23:54:20 < zyp> which is why I ditched it and wrote my own i2c driver
2017-05-04T23:54:22 < Laurenceb_> heh I used chibios with my own i2c code
2017-05-04T23:54:34 < englishman> chibios is great if you dont mind writing half your own hal drivers
2017-05-04T23:54:59 < zyp> I find most stuff to be like that
2017-05-04T23:55:05 < Laurenceb_> lel you are obviously using it for more advanced stuff
2017-05-04T23:55:32 < Laurenceb_> I've used it for F4discovery based tarduino replacements for work projects
2017-05-04T23:55:41 < Laurenceb_> get shit out of the door quickly
2017-05-04T23:55:55 < zyp> the ti hercules hal is also pretty annoying
2017-05-04T23:56:08 < zyp> a couple of functions are downright wrong
2017-05-04T23:56:11 < englishman> who has an ebike, was it the icelander http://i.imgur.com/XpmxzFw.gifv
2017-05-04T23:56:17 < zyp> I do too
2017-05-04T23:56:26 < zyp> haha
2017-05-04T23:56:43 < zyp> lithium batteries are always fun
2017-05-04T23:58:35 < zyp> hmm
2017-05-04T23:58:43 < Laurenceb_> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
2017-05-04T23:58:56 < Laurenceb_> 30 points for allusions to a delay in your work while you spent time in an asylum, or references to the psychiatrist
2017-05-04T23:58:59 < zyp> is f401 a subset of f405/f407?
2017-05-04T23:59:33 < zyp> as in, can I expect code built for f405/f407 to run fairly unmodified on f401, assuming that the periphs exist in f401?
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2017-05-05T00:00:16 < zyp> the main cpu on this evalboard is a f401, first time I encounter one
2017-05-05T00:02:32 < jpa-> hmm i seem to remember that it was simpler somehow, perhaps clock tree or something
2017-05-05T00:02:59 < Lux> it runs on a lower clock
2017-05-05T00:03:15 < Lux> and ram is different
2017-05-05T00:03:27 < zyp> yeah, I know I'll have to dial down the PLL and change the linker script
2017-05-05T00:03:59 < zyp> but do I also have to make a new variant of all the peripheral block addrs and shit like that?
2017-05-05T00:04:04 < Lux> but it's the same old peripherals iirc
2017-05-05T00:05:51 < jpa-> memory map seems to match
2017-05-05T00:08:43 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/74d97b01ea/15164.jpg
2017-05-05T00:22:44 < kakimir> have you been listening sounds your electronic circuits make?
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2017-05-05T00:23:55 < jpa-> sure
2017-05-05T00:26:31 < kakimir> is there any use to carefully listen them?
2017-05-05T00:27:03 < jpa-> sometimes
2017-05-05T00:28:04 < kakimir> I'm just - wow that's loud
2017-05-05T00:28:18 < kakimir> then keep doing whatever
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2017-05-05T00:29:15 < jpa-> why are your circuits loud?
2017-05-05T00:30:28 < kakimir> some pulse mode in buck regulator I bet
2017-05-05T00:30:52 < kakimir> I don't think you can hear 2Mhz buck switching
2017-05-05T00:31:11 < jpa-> PFM bucks are annoying noise sources also electronically
2017-05-05T00:36:05 < Steffanx> Heh i see your day rythm in the meantime jpa- ;)
2017-05-05T00:36:05 < kakimir> hmm
2017-05-05T00:36:17 < kakimir> didn't expect that jpa-
2017-05-05T00:36:30 < kakimir> why you are up jpa- ?
2017-05-05T00:36:37 < kakimir> aren't you family man?
2017-05-05T00:36:43 < kakimir> *a
2017-05-05T00:37:51 < jpa-> didn't get sleep for some reason so i thought that looking at bright screen might help
2017-05-05T00:38:28 < Steffanx> Take a coffee while your at it.
2017-05-05T00:38:38 < kakimir> jpa-: it's a trap
2017-05-05T00:39:20 < jpa-> it might actually be useful if i did something sensible with this time but i'm too lazy
2017-05-05T00:40:01 < Steffanx> Being company is sensible.
2017-05-05T00:41:05 < jpa-> are you lonely otherwise?
2017-05-05T00:42:12 < Steffanx> Atm yes, all normal people are asleep.
2017-05-05T00:43:21 < Steffanx> Ill join them
2017-05-05T00:43:52 < jpa-> makes sense
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2017-05-05T01:05:05 < karlp> Laurenceb_: why not juse use arduino for arduino projects?
2017-05-05T01:05:47 < Laurenceb_> because its arduino
2017-05-05T01:05:57 < Laurenceb_> also I mean "arduino tier projects"
2017-05-05T01:34:57 < Thorn> zyp: 401 is possibly unobtainium, better use 410/411
2017-05-05T01:35:25 < Thorn> they even canceled the 401 discovery for no apparent reason
2017-05-05T01:35:27 < Thorn> one difference is 401/10/11 only have 1 DMA controller
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2017-05-05T02:41:34 < englishman> hi curt
2017-05-05T02:41:39 < englishman> where is tek2
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2017-05-05T03:12:57 < englishman> happy vijfde van mei Steffanx
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2017-05-05T04:31:38 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0094JXCNU?psc=1
2017-05-05T04:31:45 < ReadError> attn felgots
2017-05-05T04:32:04 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/y2Qj1gpi/lebooyy.png
2017-05-05T04:33:26 < BrainDamage> how did you generate the price graph?
2017-05-05T04:35:38 < ReadError> Keepa
2017-05-05T04:35:45 < ReadError> chrome thing
2017-05-05T04:35:57 < ReadError> better than camelcamel... imo
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2017-05-05T04:57:25 < upgrdman> whats the name for mechanical pencils with a thumb button to advance the lead (isntead of clicking the top or twisting the tip)
2017-05-05T05:08:03 < upgrdman> hmm "side button" seems to bring up results on amazon
2017-05-05T05:08:19 < upgrdman> damn, wtf do all of the side button mechanical pencils looks fucking ugly.
2017-05-05T05:08:32 < upgrdman> all the nice looks ones are top-click style
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2017-05-05T05:21:13 < englishman> why would you use a pencil
2017-05-05T05:21:19 < englishman> are you the kind of guy who makes mistakes?
2017-05-05T05:23:23 < englishman> ReadError: crazy good price, but pretty basic scope, riglol might even be better, in addition to being 4ch
2017-05-05T05:23:52 < ReadError> ya i wasnt gonna get it
2017-05-05T05:23:58 < ReadError> i just saw it was really cheap
2017-05-05T05:24:03 < ReadError> and thought dave jones would approve
2017-05-05T05:24:36 < englishman> oh its from 2009
2017-05-05T05:24:38 < englishman> that might be why
2017-05-05T05:25:56 < upgrdman> englishman, nice for writing notes on countertops (workbenches) etc
2017-05-05T05:26:04 < upgrdman> wipes off with windex + papertowel
2017-05-05T05:26:32 < upgrdman> and i often solder over a tile, and i can write on the tile with pencil
2017-05-05T05:27:19 < Rob235> whats wrong with top click then if you are writing so little
2017-05-05T05:28:26 < englishman> by writing you mean like typing without a computer?
2017-05-05T05:39:36 < ReadError> how you gonna read it later
2017-05-05T05:58:44 < aandrew> englishman: I love my pilot retractable mech pencil
2017-05-05T05:59:04 < aandrew> light click at top - advance. full click at top - tip retracts into barrel (no bent tips)
2017-05-05T05:59:34 < aandrew> also, use HB or H leads, you won't be advancing so frequently
2017-05-05T06:01:43 < englishman> pencils are inferior to pens in literally every way tho
2017-05-05T06:01:57 < englishman> fisher space pen with blue fine point cartridge
2017-05-05T06:01:59 < englishman> and no other
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2017-05-05T06:32:34 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPFEDVu9gM
2017-05-05T06:32:53 < dongs> banned finally
2017-05-05T06:32:58 < dongs> This video is unavailable.
2017-05-05T06:32:58 < dongs> Sorry about that.
2017-05-05T06:33:42 < Thorn> wtf they banned NASA
2017-05-05T06:35:03 < Rob235> i like the pilot precise v5 rt
2017-05-05T06:35:32 < dongs> Oceans Beyond Earth - YouTube
2017-05-05T06:35:32 < dongs> Video for 9nPFEDVu9gM▶
2017-05-05T06:35:32 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPFEDVu9gM
2017-05-05T06:35:32 < dongs> Apr 13, 2017 - Uploaded by NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
2017-05-05T06:35:34 < dongs> NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory invites you to watch live about everything from Mars rovers to monitoring ...
2017-05-05T06:35:37 < dongs> google knows about it
2017-05-05T06:35:40 < dongs> is it region restricted?
2017-05-05T06:35:57 < dongs> ERROR: 9nPFEDVu9gM: YouTube said: This video is private.
2017-05-05T06:36:44 < Thorn> it was a live event about cassini
2017-05-05T06:38:13 < Rob235> i cant view it either so its not region
2017-05-05T06:38:34 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/bKB_FwIjL4A?t=1m28s
2017-05-05T06:38:43 < dongs> motherfucker
2017-05-05T06:38:58 < dongs> thankfully i was quick wiht ctrlw
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2017-05-05T07:09:32 < Streaker> Which version of visual studio is the most functional? has the least unnecessary jazz
2017-05-05T07:12:36 < jpa-> visual studio code ;)
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2017-05-05T07:13:46 < jadew> Streaker, doesn't matter, you get the last one
2017-05-05T07:13:58  * Streaker hunts for his VS6 CD
2017-05-05T07:16:08 < Streaker> hmm they have their own domain now!
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2017-05-05T08:10:42 < dongs> Cypress Semiconductor Technology India Pvt Ltd. looks like most of R2COM jobs have been moved to india
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2017-05-05T08:52:11 < jadew> check this out, in atom you need an extension to be able to switch the editor in overtype mode (with the ins key)
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2017-05-05T09:07:21 < zyp> Thorn, doesn't apply, this evalboard that I received yesterday which I'll be programming got a f401 on it
2017-05-05T09:07:48 < zyp> if I were designing my own, I'd probably go with f407 or something on it
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2017-05-05T09:19:53 < dongs> judew, why are you wasting time with that garbage. is o6 autism affecting you?
2017-05-05T09:26:06 < dongs> Did you know? VESA has a reference design for Four Displayport extrernal connectors on a PCI card
2017-05-05T09:26:19 < dongs> including conncetor spacing and design for teh card bracket
2017-05-05T09:26:24 < zyp> hah
2017-05-05T09:26:49 < zyp> why? so you can make some shit with four plugs that plugs directly into it?
2017-05-05T09:27:06 < dongs> probably to make sure ample spacing for when all 4 cables are connected
2017-05-05T09:27:31 < zyp> ah, that makes sense
2017-05-05T09:27:48 < dongs> cuz if you put the shit too close the shells probly collide
2017-05-05T09:28:11 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-05T09:28:42 < dongs> ohh, they have same thing for minidp in a lowprofile card too
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2017-05-05T10:06:37 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/LeCroy-WaveAce-2034-Oscilloscope-Interleaved/dp/B0094JX5NC/
2017-05-05T10:06:39 < ReadError> gdamn
2017-05-05T10:06:54 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cdVVerWp/lacrow.png
2017-05-05T10:07:13 < dongs> garbage scope is garbage
2017-05-05T10:07:20 < ReadError> ya they got a bunch on sale
2017-05-05T10:07:24 < ReadError> duno wtf amazon is doing
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2017-05-05T10:48:24 < PaulFertser> You mean the kangaroos?
2017-05-05T10:50:07 < PaulFertser> R2COM: duh, we're not North Korea, and it seems unlikely we'll ever turn into it.
2017-05-05T10:50:16 < dongs> fakesps
2017-05-05T10:53:24 < PaulFertser> R2COM: yes, but dropped means it got lower than before, and oil prices etc were too nice back then, so people started to get richer. So it's not really that bad now. Check the statistics about e.g. how many cars are sold. And, regarding cars, there's helluva new TLCs, Lexuses and other considerably expensive cars in moscow, I see plenty every day.
2017-05-05T10:54:36 < PaulFertser> Not every of course. I'm saying what I'm saying. I ride around in Moscow and see plenty of expensive cars.
2017-05-05T10:55:22 < PaulFertser> Yet it's ~15m, i.e. 1/10th of all the people.
2017-05-05T10:55:45 < PaulFertser> So what, not many people in EU can afford TLC either.
2017-05-05T10:56:37 < PaulFertser> Also, during the recent years it seems like the governmental arseholes managed to considerably decouple economics from oil prices.
2017-05-05T10:57:35 < PaulFertser> In the US the majority is eating something that's probably way less healthy, you've to admit that ;)
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2017-05-05T10:58:22 < PaulFertser> Literally, there're plenty of regulations.
2017-05-05T10:58:29 < PaulFertser> Regarding food and other goods.
2017-05-05T10:59:06 < PaulFertser> You know the story about Georgian wine?
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2017-05-05T11:01:02 < PaulFertser> The story goes like this: russia mostly due to political interests decided to ban that wine on the food regulations grounds. And about two years later the georgian president thanks putin for doing so because they were forced to improve quality and started selling to EU. That implies that the quality was "uneven" (that is, sporadically shitty) before that.
2017-05-05T11:02:30 < PaulFertser> But the quality was bad, so according to the regulations the ban was totally fair.
2017-05-05T11:03:17 < PaulFertser> Yeah, the food from europe was destroyed without any considerations regarding quality, that's pure insane politics.
2017-05-05T11:04:04 < PaulFertser> Come on, I'm not saying it's all good.
2017-05-05T11:04:12 < PaulFertser> But saying it's all bad would be a lie.
2017-05-05T11:04:34 < c10ud^> not sure if trolling or just 'murican
2017-05-05T11:04:41 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, remember whom you're talking too:P
2017-05-05T11:04:54 < Steffanx> c10ud^: worse.. imported russian into the usa
2017-05-05T11:05:05 < PaulFertser> R2COM: but if it's not good everywhere it doesn't mean it's bad everywhere.
2017-05-05T11:05:12 < c10ud^> just.. wow
2017-05-05T11:05:53 < Steffanx> Fake news.
2017-05-05T11:06:33 < PaulFertser> I've heard him on radio. Don't like watching.
2017-05-05T11:08:44 < PaulFertser> Regarding russian sources of news, I listen to echo of moscow, occassionally read bikepost.ru and geektimes/habrahabr.
2017-05-05T11:09:10 < PaulFertser> I'm glad you're laughing, it's good for the health.
2017-05-05T11:10:14 < Steffanx> Hah. I lolled too.
2017-05-05T11:10:44 < PaulFertser> You seem to be generalising a lot when it comes to russians. I do not think one can really make some sound conclusions this way.
2017-05-05T11:11:44 < PaulFertser> How do you tell people are eating shit?
2017-05-05T11:12:05 < dongs> people, please eat shit
2017-05-05T11:12:55 < PaulFertser> My wife was on a business trip to Ulyanovsk recently, they ate plenty of nice and affordable food there.
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2017-05-05T11:13:14 < c10ud^> what's the point of this conversation besides trolling? lol
2017-05-05T11:13:35 < dongs> R2COMmie, why are you stirring up rage
2017-05-05T11:13:41 < Steffanx> Im glad its all good in the USA. No poor people there. Trump is good.
2017-05-05T11:13:47 < dongs> ^ this 100x
2017-05-05T11:14:07 < PaulFertser> R2COM: you really mean there's more poverty in russia than in Pakistan?
2017-05-05T11:14:13 < c10ud^> rule #1: don't be sick, rule #2 see #1 or eat shit
2017-05-05T11:14:29 < Steffanx> Where is c10ud^ from?
2017-05-05T11:14:37 < c10ud^> it_IT
2017-05-05T11:15:03 < dongs> i'm pretty sure pakistan is a huge shithole
2017-05-05T11:15:15 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I'm drawing my consclusions on what I see myself. Hence "I, me, mine" in what I describe.
2017-05-05T11:15:19 < dongs> you want people that care about elderly, mvoe t o japan
2017-05-05T11:15:30 < dongs> whole country is filled with people over 90yo
2017-05-05T11:16:33 < dongs> no idea, i don't abuse the system
2017-05-05T11:16:43 < PaulFertser> I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xl8IeQWnOU about paki. Haven't seen anything like that in any trips across russia.
2017-05-05T11:16:44 < dongs> there;s some uemployment shit, no diea besides that
2017-05-05T11:17:33 < PaulFertser> Some yes
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2017-05-05T11:19:48 < PaulFertser> R2COM: how's life in Belarus according to your sources? What about Poland, Bulgaria, Serbia?
2017-05-05T11:20:53 < PaulFertser> You've to compare the average spendings as well.
2017-05-05T11:21:42 < PaulFertser> Like me?
2017-05-05T11:22:30 < dongs> im still trying to figure out why R2COM is trying to piss off PaulFertser
2017-05-05T11:22:35 < dongs> is tehre a punchline here
2017-05-05T11:22:57 < zyp> isn't that just what R2COM does?
2017-05-05T11:23:03 < PaulFertser> What do you expect me to do? How do I change the majority of people which have a certain mentality that you loosely describe as "swallowing being a slave"?
2017-05-05T11:25:15 < zyp> R2COM, how many ohms?
2017-05-05T11:26:50 < PaulFertser> R2COM: resist whom? The majority of russians?
2017-05-05T11:31:38 < Steffanx> Show some of your menlove please R2COM
2017-05-05T11:32:38 < PaulFertser> R2COM: why should I care about all those stupid people, why should I do anything that will make me suffer even more? Navalny will get half-blind probably. Why should I risk it too?
2017-05-05T11:33:00 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I do not see any opportunity to change the majority, not now.
2017-05-05T11:34:14 < PaulFertser> I'm doing what I can by teaching and promoting free software. That's what I'm relatively good at. Being a political fighter is just not my cup of tea.
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2017-05-05T11:38:14 < PaulFertser> When I get an offer to do free software outside the country I'll do what you say.
2017-05-05T11:39:33 < PaulFertser> But that doesn't mean that everything in russia is as bad as you describe.
2017-05-05T11:39:38 < dongs> PaulFertser: i thoght you used windows 10
2017-05-05T11:42:38 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XJNN2MZ/
2017-05-05T11:42:39 < dongs> lol..
2017-05-05T11:43:33 < dongs> o m f g how they did hdmi "extension"
2017-05-05T11:44:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/deZFGM0.png
2017-05-05T11:45:48 < c10ud^> well, something is fishy with the usb ext too..
2017-05-05T11:47:48 < dongs> overtrolled
2017-05-05T11:47:57 < dongs> c10ud^: http://www.raspberrypiwiki.com/images/thumb/2/20/X800-IMG-1453.jpg/900px-X800-IMG-1453.jpg
2017-05-05T11:48:09 < dongs> thats how tehy connect to USB>SATA bridge chp
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2017-05-05T11:48:34 < c10ud^> wow
2017-05-05T11:49:08 < dongs> also that pic
2017-05-05T11:49:14 < dongs> looks liek main soc has been desoldered
2017-05-05T11:49:14 < dongs> lulz
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2017-05-05T11:56:50 < dongs> zyp, how does one end of usb-c 'tell' that it doesn't know how to swap lanes?
2017-05-05T11:57:46 < dongs> im looking at a dongle thats fixed layout and no switch/router IC
2017-05-05T11:57:54 < dongs> but it works either way in/out
2017-05-05T11:58:02 < dongs> so the host swaps..
2017-05-05T11:59:09 < zyp> as far as I know, it can't
2017-05-05T11:59:16 < dongs> then how does it work
2017-05-05T11:59:32 < zyp> each socket is responsible for accomodating both orientations of the plug plugged into it
2017-05-05T11:59:41 < zyp> wait, dongle?
2017-05-05T11:59:45 < dongs> yes
2017-05-05T11:59:48 < zyp> so plug, not socket?
2017-05-05T11:59:50 < dongs> male usb-c
2017-05-05T11:59:51 < dongs> yeah
2017-05-05T12:00:17 < zyp> no problem then
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2017-05-05T12:00:30 < dongs> how so
2017-05-05T12:00:47 < zyp> socket side is responsible, plug side doesn't need to give a shit
2017-05-05T12:01:24 < zyp> a standard cable has two plug sides, each plugged into a socket that needs to accomodate that end of the cable
2017-05-05T12:01:56 < zyp> with a tethered dongle you cut out half of that complexity
2017-05-05T12:02:46 < zyp> a tethered dongle is never expected to care about orientation, a socket must always do it
2017-05-05T12:03:08 < dongs> hmm
2017-05-05T12:03:21 < dongs> i dont see how its different tho
2017-05-05T12:03:27 < dongs> plugging same plug one way or another changes lanes
2017-05-05T12:03:44 < zyp> yes, and the socket you plug it into detects that and switches accordingly
2017-05-05T12:03:56 < zyp> so the dongle never sees the difference
2017-05-05T12:04:12 < dongs> and thats by cc/vcon?
2017-05-05T12:04:20 < zyp> yes
2017-05-05T12:06:10 < dongs> but if i rotate the plug the signals change
2017-05-05T12:06:39 < zyp> dongs, from what perspective?
2017-05-05T12:06:45 < dongs> how do I know which way is "right" for pinout for me
2017-05-05T12:06:51 < dongs> zyp, from CY4500 perspective
2017-05-05T12:07:19 < dongs> host -> CY4500 -> male>female illegal extension -> target device
2017-05-05T12:07:30 < dongs> if I rotate the extension end before plugging into device
2017-05-05T12:07:49 < dongs> device = cannot swap lanes
2017-05-05T12:07:57 < dongs> (its a dongle/plug)
2017-05-05T12:08:55 < zyp> all the stuff between host and device is transparent, swapping any connection of those will be indentical to swapping the plug in the host socket (apart from CY4500 perspective changing)
2017-05-05T12:09:16 < zyp> so host will detect if dongle CC is attached to its CC1 or CC2 and swap accordingly
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2017-05-05T12:10:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ze6YAtV.png this is on teh host side
2017-05-05T12:10:57 < dongs> there's a matrix/router ic there
2017-05-05T12:11:15 < dongs> but how do I know which way to use in my dongle that can't swap
2017-05-05T12:12:01 < zyp> it's relative to which pin you terminate as CC and which pin you terminate as VCONN
2017-05-05T12:12:02 < dongs> right now I probed, and I *think* AUX_P is on SBU1
2017-05-05T12:12:28 < dongs> vconn is just always 5V right, no signalling?
2017-05-05T12:12:49 < zyp> if you swap CC and VCONN in your dongle, the host side will swap all the other signals
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2017-05-05T12:15:12 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C#Connector_pinouts CC in the plug is on A5
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2017-05-05T12:15:37 < zyp> so the plug will always have TX1 and RX2 on A side and TX2 and RX1 on B side
2017-05-05T12:15:58 < dongs> yea man but i got one of those edge plugs
2017-05-05T12:16:05 < dongs> its exactly symmetrical
2017-05-05T12:16:10 < dongs> i dont even know which end is A or B!
2017-05-05T12:16:35 < zyp> it doesn't fucking matter, the side you terminate as CC is A and the side you terminate as VCONN is B
2017-05-05T12:16:46 < dongs> i must be really dumb
2017-05-05T12:17:38 < dongs> also vcon line is 0V..
2017-05-05T12:17:42 < dongs> when I see comms on cc
2017-05-05T12:18:25 < zyp> plug end of VCONN is terminated with a pulldown IIRC
2017-05-05T12:18:40 < zyp> which is different from the CC pulldown/up
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2017-05-05T12:19:44 < zyp> socket end is supposed to probe resistances to figure out which is which, and then supply power for active cable circuitry on VCONN
2017-05-05T12:20:13 < zyp> not sure how much of that is required and how much is optional
2017-05-05T12:20:17 < dongs> ok. and since this shit is self-powered, maybe it doesnt want to?
2017-05-05T12:20:30 < zyp> what is?
2017-05-05T12:20:35 < dongs> the dongle
2017-05-05T12:20:38 < dongs> it has its own power
2017-05-05T12:20:46 < zyp> dongle doesn't provide VCONN, socket does
2017-05-05T12:21:01 < dongs> well, vconn is zero tapped on teh cable betwen socket>plug
2017-05-05T12:21:03 < dongs> always.
2017-05-05T12:21:20 < zyp> ok, maybe there's a way to signal it doesn't want VCONN then
2017-05-05T12:21:35 < zyp> or maybe your host just doesn't want to provide, idk
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2017-05-05T12:35:21 < dongs>  apparently idle state on cc/vcon is pulsing 5V/0V atr like 1hz
2017-05-05T12:35:38 < dongs> no, 10hz
2017-05-05T12:35:57 < dongs> when shit is unplugged
2017-05-05T12:38:58 < zyp> that's probably DRD stuff
2017-05-05T12:39:10 < zyp> i.e. it's switching between upstream/downstream roles
2017-05-05T12:39:28 < zyp> upstream has pullup, downstream has pulldown
2017-05-05T12:40:09 < zyp> and a DRD switches between both
2017-05-05T12:40:33 < dongs> the host is dual role yea
2017-05-05T12:40:38 < dongs> at least supposedlty
2017-05-05T12:40:47 < dongs> ive only tested it to charge and as output
2017-05-05T12:41:18 < dongs> supposed to be able to charge out as well
2017-05-05T12:41:20 < zyp> sounds like it's working like it should then
2017-05-05T12:42:03 < zyp> hehe
2017-05-05T12:42:22 < zyp> when I connect my phone to the usb in my car, I get an option to charge my car from my phone
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2017-05-05T12:53:19 < dongs> gonna be good for that last mile
2017-05-05T12:54:17 < Thorn> anyone wants to learn voltage dividers for $40 https://www.udemy.com/electronics-week-06/
2017-05-05T12:54:42 < zyp> dongs, I ran the numbers
2017-05-05T12:55:13 < dongs> yeah, i dont doubt it would not be enough even to start spinning the wheels
2017-05-05T12:55:47 < dongs> maybe if you had apple 100W usb-c charger
2017-05-05T12:55:51 < zyp> energy in a fully charged phone battery should actually be able to move the car some two-digit number of meters
2017-05-05T12:56:02 < dongs> oh really, intersting
2017-05-05T12:56:50 < zyp> hmm, isn't a phone battery something like 10-15 Wh nowadays?
2017-05-05T12:57:25 < dongs> V*A?
2017-05-05T12:57:31 < zyp> V*Ah
2017-05-05T12:57:45 < dongs> thats joules
2017-05-05T12:58:25 < zyp> joules are watt-seconds
2017-05-05T12:58:27 < dongs> ohi ok, but there's a joules -> wh after that
2017-05-05T12:58:45 < zyp> so 1Wh is 3600J
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2017-05-05T13:17:27 < dongs> rite
2017-05-05T13:17:38 < dongs> so like 13Wh out of what, 30kWh battery?
2017-05-05T13:18:16 < dongs> 0.0346km
2017-05-05T13:18:35 < dongs> yeah, 'double digits' meters is about right
2017-05-05T13:21:30 < dongs> hm it stops trying to pulse after a while
2017-05-05T13:25:43 < jpa-> zyp: does the car actually support charging through usb? :P
2017-05-05T13:26:08 < zyp> well, no, it has a plain usb-a port, not usb-c
2017-05-05T13:26:22 < zyp> but my phone still gives me the option to charge connected device, for some reason :p
2017-05-05T13:26:48 < Thorn> that means it's the A-device?
2017-05-05T13:26:51 < Thorn> not the car
2017-05-05T13:27:10 < jpa-> it would only take about 6 months to charge it full through usb-c
2017-05-05T13:27:40 < karlp> dongs: what's garbage about that lecroy scope readerror had on superspecial? https://www.amazon.com/LeCroy-WaveAce-2034-Oscilloscope-Interleaved/dp/B0094JX5NC/?th=1
2017-05-05T13:27:59 < dongs> karlp: the usual lecroy scam that the more channels y ou use the less overall banwidth you have
2017-05-05T13:28:16 < ReadError> they got a few diff ones karlp
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2017-05-05T13:28:48 < dongs> that UI looks surprisingly like riglols
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2017-05-05T13:34:03 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/LeCroy-MS-250-Oscilloscope-Channels-Bandwidth/dp/B0094JWAJW/ this one looks fancy
2017-05-05T13:34:19 < karlp> heh, the wavewace one has a temp range of 10-40C
2017-05-05T13:34:28 < dongs> operating?
2017-05-05T13:34:31 < karlp> yeah
2017-05-05T13:34:37 < dongs> isnt that normal-ish?
2017-05-05T13:35:00 < dongs> i mean,,, are you gonna use it outside in icelandic winter?
2017-05-05T13:36:19 < karlp> no, but it seems pretty narrow range to me
2017-05-05T13:37:56 < dongs> karlp: tek MDO4000 series is only guaranateed at 18-28C
2017-05-05T13:37:59 < dongs> http://www.tek.com/datasheet/mdo4000b-mixed-domain-oscilloscopes-datasheet
2017-05-05T13:38:05 < dongs> all the specs listed are for that temperature range
2017-05-05T13:39:01 < dongs> ah no, the operating range is 0 to 50
2017-05-05T13:39:11 < dongs> best accuracy is 18-28 tho.
2017-05-05T13:41:23 < Steffanx> I like the keithley here at work. It has a warm up time of 2 hours in such range. Outside that range it can require you to wait longer
2017-05-05T13:42:31 < Steffanx> But its a dmm
2017-05-05T13:42:46 < dongs> dont tell judew
2017-05-05T13:42:53 < dongs> he was thikning of making his own cheap dmm
2017-05-05T13:42:57 < dongs> wiht 7 digits accuracy
2017-05-05T13:43:45 < Steffanx> :)
2017-05-05T13:44:10 < karlp> this problem again: https://xkcd.com/1831/
2017-05-05T13:45:55 < Steffanx> I cant really care, im sure you'll learn a lot while doing it.
2017-05-05T13:46:28 < Steffanx> Who cares if its ##stm32 approved :P
2017-05-05T13:47:22 < zyp> I'd say my temp range for working with a scope is probably narrower than 10-40C
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2017-05-05T13:49:49 < zyp> so I don't think I'd be too worried about that :p
2017-05-05T13:50:35 < karlp> can't say I'd ever looked at the operating ranges of scopes, just struck me as being narrow.  not likely to be an issue sure :)
2017-05-05T13:51:27 < zyp> hmm, thinking about it, I've probably used my rigol below 10C before
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2017-05-05T13:52:10 < zyp> when I had it outside when I dicked around with shit in my old car, like 8 years ago
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2017-05-05T14:14:35 < Steffanx> Volvos break?
2017-05-05T14:16:15 < zyp> depends, I once fixed it with a sledgehammer
2017-05-05T14:16:49 < zyp> but that's unrelated to scoping :p
2017-05-05T14:22:52 < Ultrasauce> but was the sledgehammer rated for the ambient temperature?
2017-05-05T14:23:03 < dongs> i bet it was unboxing-certified tho
2017-05-05T14:23:20 < dongs> certified for high quality unboxing
2017-05-05T14:23:44 < dongs> Your browser seems to have hit its 3D capability limit. The page needs to be reloaded to fix this.
2017-05-05T14:23:48 < dongs> If the problems persists, you can try to close other tabs with 3D/WebGL or restart your browser entirely.
2017-05-05T14:23:51 < dongs> thanks chrome
2017-05-05T14:23:54 < dongs> can't wait until i get my P2000 Quadro
2017-05-05T14:24:08 < Steffanx> 500 windows?
2017-05-05T14:24:24 < dongs> about 50 at most
2017-05-05T14:24:35 < Steffanx> You dont do tabs iirc
2017-05-05T14:24:36 < dongs> i gotta hunt down that extension that closes down untouched windows again
2017-05-05T14:25:37 < dongs> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tab-wrangler/egnjhciaieeiiohknchakcodbpgjnchh?hl=en
2017-05-05T14:25:40 < dongs> i think this was it
2017-05-05T14:28:55 < dongs> i think even 12 hours should be enough
2017-05-05T14:29:04 < dongs> my attention span isnt that long
2017-05-05T14:29:32 < dongs> if I could only easily do same for explorer windows.
2017-05-05T14:34:02 < Steffanx> I use my tabs as bookmarks..
2017-05-05T14:34:23 < Steffanx> Temporary bookmarks mainly
2017-05-05T14:34:30  * karlp too
2017-05-05T14:34:40 < dongs> well, you'd have to
2017-05-05T14:34:47 < dongs> bookmark management in chrome is a complete clusterfuck
2017-05-05T14:34:57 < karlp> really? it's ok.
2017-05-05T14:34:59 < dongs> literally keeping urls in a notepad.exe is easier
2017-05-05T14:35:11 < dongs> the unusable folder structure shit?
2017-05-05T14:35:18 < dongs> just accidentally hitting star and shit getting bookmarked wihtout asking?
2017-05-05T14:35:20 < karlp> what do you mean? works for me.
2017-05-05T14:35:27 < dongs> karlp: how many folders do you have
2017-05-05T14:35:35 < dongs> more than 3 and its unusable because it picks the one to put shit into arbitrarily
2017-05-05T14:35:38 < dongs> and neesd like 20 clicks to move it elsewehre
2017-05-05T14:35:51 < karlp> 9 across the bookmark toolbar,
2017-05-05T14:36:02 < dongs> folders?
2017-05-05T14:36:03 < karlp> oh, the "add bookmark" window is fucking garbage yeah
2017-05-05T14:38:10 < zyp> I haven't used bookmarks in forever
2017-05-05T14:38:15 < dongs> yeah, cuz they're unusable
2017-05-05T14:43:05 < zyp> more like pointless
2017-05-05T14:43:54 < zyp> if I wanna find something I've seen before, it's faster to just google it
2017-05-05T14:44:10 < zyp> rather than saving every single shit I find that I might want to look at later
2017-05-05T14:44:25 < karlp> oh yeah, I only use a very small subset of bookmarks.
2017-05-05T14:44:59 < dongs>  Makefile.toolchain:15: *** ERROR: GNU make version 3.82 or higher required..  Stop.
2017-05-05T14:45:02 < zyp> I just use pinned tabs for shit that I always use
2017-05-05T14:45:02 < dongs> what the fuck google
2017-05-05T14:45:07 < dongs> or waht the fuck GNU
2017-05-05T14:45:19 < dongs> how can tehre be a functional difference in make 3.81 and .82
2017-05-05T14:45:22 < dongs> that would require this check
2017-05-05T14:45:48 < zyp> isn't that shit pretty old anyway?
2017-05-05T14:45:54 < zyp> even my debian stable shit got make 4.0
2017-05-05T14:45:58 < dongs> wat
2017-05-05T14:46:27 < zyp> so wtf are you using that's more outdated than debian stable?
2017-05-05T14:46:29 < karlp> make 4 was what, 2013?
2017-05-05T14:46:46 < zyp> copyright note says 2013
2017-05-05T14:46:47 < dongs> no clue, a random VM that i setup
2017-05-05T14:46:55 < karlp> I agree with dongs though, something broken in the dot release like that is fucked.
2017-05-05T14:47:02 < dongs> GNU Make 3.81
2017-05-05T14:47:02 < dongs> Copyright (C) 2006  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
2017-05-05T14:47:19 < Steffanx> Hah.
2017-05-05T14:47:31 < dongs> just edited the makefile to get rid of that fail.
2017-05-05T14:47:40 < Thorn> osx$ make --version -> GNU Make 3.81
2017-05-05T14:47:44 < Thorn> latest xcode tools etc.
2017-05-05T14:47:46 < dongs> and of course it doenst work
2017-05-05T14:47:54 < karlp> autowinning
2017-05-05T14:48:03 < zyp> https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/ <- judging by the dates here, 3.81 is 2006 and 3.82 is 2010
2017-05-05T14:48:04 < dongs> fucking cretins
2017-05-05T14:48:38 < zyp> Thorn, oh, you're right
2017-05-05T14:48:48 < zyp> maybe it's some GPLv2 vs GPLv3 bullshit again
2017-05-05T14:49:00 < dongs> ok another VM has 4.1
2017-05-05T14:49:05 < dongs> ill just move trash there
2017-05-05T14:49:23 < karlp> you're not the only person who has 3.81 vs 3.82 hatered
2017-05-05T14:49:34 < karlp> seems to be the changed the way pattern matches worked
2017-05-05T14:49:49 < karlp> plenty of tickets around on "works in 3.81, no longer buidls with 3.82"
2017-05-05T14:49:50 < zyp> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/make-alpha/2010-07/msg00025.html
2017-05-05T14:49:59 < zyp> there's a lot of shit listed backward-incompatibility there
2017-05-05T14:50:02 < dongs> karlp: yes thats wehre it broke
2017-05-05T14:50:06 < dongs> after i removed version check
2017-05-05T14:50:13 < dongs> in some glob pattern creating rules for obj files or someshti
2017-05-05T14:50:34 < dongs> fucking awful shit. i hate opensores.
2017-05-05T14:50:38 < karlp> they should have made 3.82 v4.0
2017-05-05T14:50:42 < dongs> im takking this code and importing it into keil as soon as I get it building with this aids
2017-05-05T14:50:46 < dongs> and separate just teh build-needed bits
2017-05-05T14:50:56 < zyp> karlp, that's probably what they realized and why there's no 3.83
2017-05-05T14:51:04 < karlp> bit fucking late
2017-05-05T14:51:24 < zyp> hindsight is...
2017-05-05T14:51:48 < zyp> dongs, well, I hate make too
2017-05-05T14:51:54 < dongs> fatal error: ftdi.h: No such file or directory
2017-05-05T14:51:54 < dongs> compilation terminated.
2017-05-05T14:51:55 < dongs> great
2017-05-05T14:52:10 < dongs> what the shit is that even
2017-05-05T14:54:02 < Thorn> template <size_t NHandlers, size_t NEndoints, size_t CoreAddr> void DWC_OTG_Device<NHandlers, NEndoints, CoreAddr>::read_packet(unsigned char* dest_buf, uint16_t n_bytes)
2017-05-05T14:55:36 < zyp> fix that fucking NEndoints typo
2017-05-05T14:56:02 < dongs> Negropoints
2017-05-05T14:57:33 < dongs> make: pkg-config: Command not found
2017-05-05T14:57:35 < dongs> oh more garbage
2017-05-05T14:57:50 < dongs> i remember when they made that "program" in like 1996
2017-05-05T14:57:56 < dongs> it was literally a shell? or perl or something script
2017-05-05T14:58:00 < dongs> that parsed some .text file
2017-05-05T14:58:06 < dongs> and returned a path to include and libs
2017-05-05T14:58:19 < dongs> why that shit is still around no idea
2017-05-05T14:59:30 < PaulFertser> dongs: pkg-config is the way how additional libraries gets known to build systems of software that needs them during compilation.
2017-05-05T15:00:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: the libraries install .h , .so, .o files plus a .pc file which specifies all the needed compile and link flags. I do not think any actual parsing of binaries takes place at any point of time in the normal pkg-config process.
2017-05-05T15:00:52 < dongs> it doesnt.
2017-05-05T15:00:54 < dongs> its just a dumb script.
2017-05-05T15:01:48 < dongs> that only filthy shit like gnome used
2017-05-05T15:01:57 < zyp> it's convenient when you're using third party libs
2017-05-05T15:02:14 < PaulFertser> pkg-config is used by just about everybody (in *nix) nowadays.
2017-05-05T15:02:19 < dongs> it shouldn't be an issue at ALL of shit was STANADRD
2017-05-05T15:02:21 < zyp> scons can invoke pkg-config to autodetect include folders and stuff
2017-05-05T15:02:46 < PaulFertser> Same about autotools and cmake. They all can use pkg-config to detect libraries.
2017-05-05T15:02:46 < dongs> there should never be more than one place for that fucking ftdi.h
2017-05-05T15:02:50 < PaulFertser> The idea seems pretty neat.
2017-05-05T15:03:01 < dongs> so there should be no need to 'detect' it
2017-05-05T15:03:04 < PaulFertser> It's not only about the directory for .h file.
2017-05-05T15:03:34 < PaulFertser> Do you want to have all the hundreds of .h files installed to /usr/include , no subdirs?
2017-05-05T15:03:34 < dongs> /bin/sh: 1: futility: not found
2017-05-05T15:03:36 < dongs> greast
2017-05-05T15:04:32 < zyp> PaulFertser, how about just #include <ftdi/ftdi.h>?
2017-05-05T15:04:49 < karlp> only thing wrong with pkg-config is that the distros all picked different fucking names for things.
2017-05-05T15:05:16 < zyp> karlp, isn't that the problem with having different distros though? :p
2017-05-05T15:05:28 < karlp> no distros, no need for pkg-config either then right?
2017-05-05T15:05:41 < karlp> everything always in a fixed path always and forever, the way god intended?
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2017-05-05T15:08:35 < PaulFertser> karlp: how so, where have you seen that distro difference?
2017-05-05T15:09:51 < PaulFertser> zyp: some libraries do it like that, yes. But pkg-config is invaluable for checking versions at configure time.
2017-05-05T15:10:18 < zyp> agreed
2017-05-05T15:11:21 < zyp> takes care of filenames to link as well, so you don't need to fuck around with that
2017-05-05T15:13:50 < karlp> PaulFertser: lua51 vs lua-5.1 and something else
2017-05-05T15:14:31 < karlp> and there's bugs in different distros and they all refuse to move and expect the other distro to "come into line"
2017-05-05T15:16:36 < PaulFertser> karlp: the pc file names come from upstream packages, so there shouldn't be any difference, a distro shouldn't be renaming them.
2017-05-05T15:18:45 < dongs> int __keep __clzsi2(int x)
2017-05-05T15:18:47 < dongs> __keep?
2017-05-05T15:18:50 < dongs> what insane gccism is that
2017-05-05T15:22:37 < karlp> PaulFertser: hah
2017-05-05T15:22:47 < karlp> like all upstreams provide packge configs?
2017-05-05T15:23:11 < PaulFertser> karlp: libraries seem to do that, yes
2017-05-05T15:23:12 < karlp> also, this is mostly a problem with the 5.1 vs "current" type packages
2017-05-05T15:23:15 < dongs>  * uidivmod.S: unsigned 32 bit division
2017-05-05T15:23:16 < dongs>  *
2017-05-05T15:23:16 < dongs>  * Copyright (c) 2012 Jörg Mische <bobbl@gmx.de>
2017-05-05T15:23:18 < dongs> stolen shit code
2017-05-05T15:23:36 < dongs> why dont thse clowns let COMPILER write proper shit
2017-05-05T15:23:40 < dongs> oh right, they're building with gcc
2017-05-05T15:23:47 < dongs> their bui8ltin idiv is probably garbage
2017-05-05T15:29:07 < Thorn> dongs trying to use gcc http://www.iammoon.com/helpers/cat_rocket_butt.jpg
2017-05-05T15:30:59 < Steffanx> :)
2017-05-05T15:39:51 < karlp> arrow spams a fpga dev board, actually looks interesting, can't actually buy it, and no pricing information.  classic arrow: https://www.arrow.com/en/products/max1000/arrow-development-tools
2017-05-05T15:40:24 < dongs> i got a thanks for buyinf from verical, let us know what you think about verical/arrow spam this morning
2017-05-05T15:40:28 < dongs> i said it like it is
2017-05-05T15:40:43 < dongs> verical is great and takes paypal. arrow on the other hand, the shopping experience sucks and my last order took 3 months to arrive
2017-05-05T15:41:22 < karlp> are they the same people?
2017-05-05T15:41:25 < dongs> yes
2017-05-05T15:41:40 < dongs> but for some reason verical branch actually knows what the fuck they're doing
2017-05-05T15:43:42 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/W7n0f183.html .. aids
2017-05-05T15:45:03 < dongs> oh fuck
2017-05-05T15:45:10 < dongs> even armclang doesnt parse that fucktarded ASM
2017-05-05T15:45:15 < dongs> never mind armc
2017-05-05T15:45:28 < dongs> way to make your project utterly useless to normal people
2017-05-05T15:46:21 < zyp> you could fairly easily do a separate ATOMIC_OP() define for armc though
2017-05-05T15:46:50 < dongs> if onyl the fucktard syntax they're using made sense, sure!
2017-05-05T15:47:18 < Steffanx> No stock no price karlp ?
2017-05-05T15:47:24 < dongs> fuck macros
2017-05-05T15:47:43 < Steffanx> Oh, mobile makes it go weird
2017-05-05T15:48:29 < karlp> Steffanx: indeed. totally useless.
2017-05-05T15:48:56 < karlp> not even the picture.  http://www.eedesignnewseurope.com/news/arrow-launches-fpga-based-iot-maker-board looked worth a look at least.
2017-05-05T15:48:59 < karlp> but yeah, garbage
2017-05-05T15:49:07 < dongs> MAX1000 by Arrow Development Tools |  | Arrow.com https://www.arrow.com/en/products/max1000/arrow-development-tools
2017-05-05T15:49:10 < dongs> look it has sahre button
2017-05-05T15:49:13 < zyp> dongs, it seems to do *a = asm_op(*a, v), with asm_op being some instruction
2017-05-05T15:49:24 < dongs> yes
2017-05-05T15:49:25 < zyp> wrapped between cpsid i and cpsie i
2017-05-05T15:49:34 < dongs> why does this exist tho
2017-05-05T15:49:42 < dongs> __CPSIE and __CPSID works
2017-05-05T15:49:54 < dongs> or __disable_interrupts() or wahtevefr cmsis thing
2017-05-05T15:49:58 < zyp> probably because somebody is too lazy to implement it seperately for each operation
2017-05-05T15:50:05 < Thorn> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/templates.html#faq-35.19
2017-05-05T15:50:11 < Thorn> double butthurt
2017-05-05T15:50:51 < dongs> found solution
2017-05-05T15:50:52 < dongs> 	// ATOMIC_OP(bic, addr, bits);
2017-05-05T15:50:52 < dongs>     *addr = bits;
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2017-05-05T15:51:58 < dongs>       : "=&b" (ret)what the shit does &b even mean?
2017-05-05T15:54:46 < zyp> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Modifiers.html
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2017-05-05T15:56:38 < zyp> wait, wat
2017-05-05T15:57:36 < zyp> oh, it's just dumb placeholder shit
2017-05-05T15:57:57 < zyp> to allocate a temporary reg for %0 that's different from %1 and %2
2017-05-05T15:58:21 < dongs> again donno why bother. compilers do BETTER JOB THAN HUMANS
2017-05-05T15:58:56 < zyp> that's the whole point of gcc style inline asm, you leave the register assignment up to the compiler
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2017-05-05T16:02:29 < dongs> waht is tcpm in context of usb-pd?
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2017-05-05T16:03:10 < dongs> Type C Port Manager?
2017-05-05T16:03:23 < zyp> no idea
2017-05-05T16:03:43 < dongs> maybe I should stop trying to waste time and just use cypress cccg shit for this
2017-05-05T16:03:57 < dongs> both cube and google pd code is filthy mess
2017-05-05T16:04:10 < zyp> haha
2017-05-05T16:04:20 < dongs> integrated USB Type-C Port Master (TCPM)
2017-05-05T16:04:24 < dongs> yeah port master
2017-05-05T16:04:25 < dongs> huh. no fucking idea
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2017-05-05T16:26:01 < dongs> m0 has lsl right?
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2017-05-05T16:54:11 < englishman> lsls
2017-05-05T16:54:56 < dongs> yeah, gnu/hurd strikes again
2017-05-05T16:55:13 < englishman> pretty basic instruction
2017-05-05T16:56:06 < englishman> o the other cores are lsl
2017-05-05T17:00:29 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/86r8QI12.html wow, pure fucking autism
2017-05-05T17:00:47 < dongs> overriding internal gcc trash that it uses to generate switch statements
2017-05-05T17:00:53 < dongs> because thats so portable and safe to do
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2017-05-05T18:02:08 < dongs> why do gnu faggots put so much garbage into linker scripts
2017-05-05T18:02:15 < dongs> is it to compensate for the fact that their compilers are garbage?
2017-05-05T18:02:24 < Steffanx> yes
2017-05-05T18:04:44 < dongs> extern const uint8_t __usb_desc[];
2017-05-05T18:04:44 < dongs> extern const uint8_t __usb_desc_end[];
2017-05-05T18:04:44 < dongs> #define USB_DESC_SIZE (__usb_desc_end - __usb_desc)
2017-05-05T18:04:47 < dongs> look at this shit
2017-05-05T18:05:01 < dongs> and then they add some crap in linker script to make ?? some space there.
2017-05-05T18:05:07 < dongs> why the fuck not just define it IN THE FUCKING SOURCE FILE
2017-05-05T18:05:33 < dongs> don't get me started on it being uint8_t , what the fuck is up wiht that?
2017-05-05T18:05:53 < PaulFertser> Why are you digging open sores, dongs?
2017-05-05T18:05:59 < dongs> PaulFertser: the usual reasons
2017-05-05T18:06:02 < Steffanx> he is looking for something to rage.
2017-05-05T18:06:08 < Steffanx> about
2017-05-05T18:06:08 < dongs> once every few weeks i need more exciting than just fapping 24/7 to do
2017-05-05T18:06:18 < dongs> so i dig out some opensores shit and rage
2017-05-05T18:06:38 < PaulFertser> Way to go
2017-05-05T18:06:44 < Steffanx> heh, i finally start to know dongs.
2017-05-05T18:07:07 < PaulFertser> Wished I could learn how to have fun like the others do.
2017-05-05T18:07:16 < Steffanx> move to the usa.
2017-05-05T18:07:30 < dongs> so i can rage with r2commie?
2017-05-05T18:07:31 < Steffanx> then you can mock other russians
2017-05-05T18:07:32 < dongs> no thanks
2017-05-05T18:08:05 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/zWeXkh42.html
2017-05-05T18:08:06 < PaulFertser> I'm actually quite sad about the russians. I think they're destroying my country :/
2017-05-05T18:08:07 < dongs> i dont even
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2017-05-05T18:08:15 < dongs> who thinks this shit is maintainable?
2017-05-05T18:08:18 < c10ud^^> me: pls st gibe fw
2017-05-05T18:08:24 < c10ud^^> st: here is the virtual com driver
2017-05-05T18:08:25 < PaulFertser> I think I would start to care less if I moved though.
2017-05-05T18:08:25 < c10ud^^> wtf?
2017-05-05T18:08:46 < sync> PaulFertser: what is happening?
2017-05-05T18:10:16 < PaulFertser> sync: the usual authoritarianism thing. Not nearly as bad as north korea or something but still sad enough. Especially given how many smart people here have to suffer because of that.
2017-05-05T18:10:35 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/0Nuugwn.gifv
2017-05-05T18:10:57 < Steffanx> thats f-ing nice dongs.
2017-05-05T18:11:04 < dongs> the title is great too
2017-05-05T18:11:10 < dongs> if you have enough tabs not open to read it
2017-05-05T18:11:11 < sync> only 25k?
2017-05-05T18:11:14 < sync> interesting
2017-05-05T18:11:56 < Steffanx> dongs jumped into marriage and then started to spend 25k..
2017-05-05T18:12:06 < Steffanx> on himself, and his wife to keep her happy
2017-05-05T18:13:22 < Steffanx> i still wonder how you manage to do that. So much time on work/irc and still have a wife. At least that's what they claim.
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2017-05-05T18:20:28 < dongs> so i think i figured it out
2017-05-05T18:20:45 < dongs> they're using those awful macros and sticking usb descriptors into thier own memory range so that.. they don't have to calculate its final size
2017-05-05T18:20:47 < karlp> dongs: the switch shit was probably hand backporting some improvements that went into gcc to do better switch statements.  it's ine the release notes for gcc-arm-embedded from a year or two ago
2017-05-05T18:21:02 < dongs> karlp: either that or not linking to libgcc
2017-05-05T18:21:11 < dongs> which seems to be the comments I've seen in other places taht imported same code
2017-05-05T18:21:25 < dongs> i found some german proj that had same switch.s with a comment "taken from libgcc"
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2017-05-05T20:25:51 < [7]> anything special that I need to be aware of for stm32f2 flash programming?
2017-05-05T20:26:05 < [7]> my first attempts (and it seems really trivial) didn't work
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2017-05-05T20:27:14 < [7]> I'm writing to KEYR and the lock bit goes away, then I'm setting PSIZE=2, PG=1 and do a 32bit write to a 32bit aligned flash address, yet the value doesn't seem to stick at all (readback stays at all-ones)
2017-05-05T20:28:19 < [7]> SR is zero. if I improperly do a 16bit write, PGPERR is set, so it seems like it understands that I'm trying to write something...
2017-05-05T20:33:11 < [7]> hm. now it worked. not sure why it didn't before.
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2017-05-05T20:51:46 < englishman> Steffanx: happy "canada-saved-our-asses-AGAIN" day
2017-05-05T20:52:32 < Steffanx>  mñ
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2017-05-05T20:53:38 < sync> wat
2017-05-05T20:53:48 < englishman> are you feeling ok
2017-05-05T20:54:16 < Steffanx> lol, that didnt show up like that in my client.
2017-05-05T20:54:21 < Steffanx> something at my kb :P
2017-05-05T20:56:04 < Steffanx> interesting, not sure what i posted, but it surely looks funny :P
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2017-05-05T21:01:04 < Steffanx> but i thank you very much englishman or at least your granddad.
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2017-05-05T21:13:32 < jadew> that's a long pause before "you're welcome"
2017-05-05T21:19:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: great post, 5/5, would read again
2017-05-05T21:20:43 < Steffanx> What i posted: http://imgur.com/a/5HcdD
2017-05-05T21:21:35 < sync> noice
2017-05-05T21:23:01 < Steffanx> shit happens
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2017-05-05T21:55:57 < Thorn> what I saw http://i.imgur.com/78B60UA.png
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2017-05-05T22:04:21 < englishman> Steffanx: you're welcome, have a stroopwafel on me.
2017-05-05T22:04:30 < Steffanx> I will
2017-05-05T22:11:50 < Steffanx> now i still dont know what character it is.. a space?
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2017-05-05T22:27:54 < englishman> almost dropped an entire tray of assembled boards on their way to the oven
2017-05-05T22:27:59 < englishman> should have heard the sound that came out of me
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2017-05-05T22:33:23 < kakimir> time for my medical beer dose
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2017-05-05T22:35:13 < upgrdman> any regex pros here? know of a regex to take a string of text and convert it into a valid variable name? e.g. first char can be _A-Za-z and other chars can be _A-Za-z0-9 ... and just dropping that chars that would make it invalid
2017-05-05T22:39:12 < Thorn> google slugify
2017-05-05T22:39:56 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-05-05T22:39:57 < upgrdman> neat
2017-05-05T22:44:35 < Ultrasauce> might also just want to use a hashmap
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2017-05-05T22:48:03 < [7]> does stm32f2 iwdg disable itself after it resets the cpu?
2017-05-05T22:48:56 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, with a key for every char and corresponding value?
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2017-05-05T23:44:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdPyYze2NIA fresh musics
2017-05-05T23:47:12 < Ultrasauce> upgrdman: no the full strings as keys
2017-05-05T23:55:09 < englishman> kaks im going to see these guys in the summer
2017-05-05T23:55:47 < englishman> [7]: didnt you chat about this last week? iirc it does, unless you have fuses set that start it automatically
2017-05-05T23:57:31 < Ultrasauce> how does a fake band even do live shows
2017-05-05T23:58:32 < kakimir> englishman: where?
2017-05-05T23:59:07 < englishman> https://www.infofestival.com/en/Program/Artists-A-Z#!programmation=artist$gorillaz/1928
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2017-05-06T00:05:23 < kakimir> how is summer going in canadistan?
2017-05-06T00:05:44 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/k8znP6w.png
2017-05-06T00:06:00 < englishman> also http://i.imgur.com/afWSJ9N.jpg
2017-05-06T00:06:15 < Steffanx>  Excellent weather
2017-05-06T00:06:29 < kakimir> is gorillaz even a live band?
2017-05-06T00:06:49 < kakimir> isn't it computer graphics and stuff
2017-05-06T00:06:53 < kakimir> animation
2017-05-06T00:07:44 < Steffanx> Such millenial band.
2017-05-06T00:08:21 < englishman> even gorillaz was born before 2000. sorry steffans
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2017-05-06T00:10:37 < Ultrasauce> "summer"
2017-05-06T00:10:43 < Ultrasauce> it only just stopped going below freezing here
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2017-05-06T00:11:31 < Steffanx> but you are also canadistan
2017-05-06T00:12:28 < Ultrasauce> yes hence my response
2017-05-06T00:14:42 < Steffanx> why your website is still dead Ultrasauce?
2017-05-06T00:15:12 < Ultrasauce> cause my provider switched database engines and i cant reimport the backup without ~effort~
2017-05-06T00:15:17 < Ultrasauce> and the content sucked in the first place
2017-05-06T00:16:06 < kakimir> englishman: canadistain has one big festival per summer?
2017-05-06T00:16:08 < Steffanx> but this happend liked 2.5 years ago
2017-05-06T00:16:13 < Thorn> wat
2017-05-06T00:16:16 < englishman> wat
2017-05-06T00:16:20 < Steffanx> wat
2017-05-06T00:16:25 < Thorn> doesn't everybody use VPSes these days
2017-05-06T00:16:48 < Thorn> >provider switched database engines
2017-05-06T00:16:52 < Thorn> I don't even
2017-05-06T00:16:59 < Ultrasauce> yeah i have aws now but if i put together another site it won't be with the old content
2017-05-06T00:18:36 < Thorn> https://www.leaseweb.com/cloud/public/virtual-server
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2017-05-06T00:30:56 < kakimir> nobody make a sound
2017-05-06T00:35:04 < Steffanx>  
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2017-05-06T01:02:12 < jadew> pfew, I thought you were going to spam us again
2017-05-06T01:06:51 < Steffanx> spam with emptiness..
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2017-05-06T02:50:49 < PeterM> browsing internet randomly for lipo related shit, caught this out of the corenr of  my eye https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10fgdMVXXXXa5XVXXq6xXFXXXK/6s-24v-Li-ion-Lithium-Cell-60A-18650-Battery-Protection-BMS-PCM-Board-with-Balance.jpg
2017-05-06T02:51:18 < PeterM> silpad AND thermal paste wtf, and mroe wtf, they're heatsinking to the epoxy part of the mosfet wtf wtf
2017-05-06T02:51:44 < englishman> typical china bro
2017-05-06T02:51:59 < englishman> is there even a heatsink or just si pad
2017-05-06T02:53:26 < PeterM> theres a sheet of alu clamped down to it
2017-05-06T02:54:30 < PeterM> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1To.eMVXXXXXaXVXXq6xXFXXXG/6s-24v-Li-ion-Lithium-Cell-60A-18650-Battery-Protection-BMS-PCM-Board-with-Balance.jpg
2017-05-06T02:57:01 < PeterM> but if youre gonna do that, atleast flip your fets ovver and heatsink to the tabs...
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2017-05-06T03:18:40 < PeterM> it is useless to add paste to a silpad
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2017-05-06T04:22:42 < dongs> < PeterM> but if youre gonna do that, atleast flip your fets ovver and heatsink to the tabs...
2017-05-06T04:22:47 < dongs> that would make too much sense
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2017-05-06T04:43:54 < dongs> damn, I thought zyp's shit was ugly but google code easily beats it
2017-05-06T04:43:55 < dongs> STM32_GPIO_OSPEEDR(GPIO_B) |= 0x000C03C0;
2017-05-06T04:44:02 < dongs> this is how they configure gpio speed...
2017-05-06T04:44:26 < dongs> yeah lets make this totally unreadable
2017-05-06T04:48:32 < upgrdman> damn, that's almost as bad as my early stm32 code
2017-05-06T04:48:44 < upgrdman> i used to |= magic numbers all the time
2017-05-06T04:49:42 < dongs> they're not using even cmsis tho
2017-05-06T04:49:53 < dongs> everything is reinvented from scratch
2017-05-06T04:58:02 < dongs> fuck yes
2017-05-06T04:58:07 < dongs> tab cleanup workede
2017-05-06T04:58:11 < dongs> wonderful
2017-05-06T04:58:26 < dongs> just noticed only had 4 chrome windows open and not 5000
2017-05-06T05:05:06 < branjb> what's wrong with |= magic numbers?
2017-05-06T05:05:22 < dongs> do you know what the above line does without reading datasheet?
2017-05-06T05:05:47 < dongs> thats whats wrong iwth it
2017-05-06T05:06:15 < branjb> there's entire competitions in perl where people pride themselves on how unreadable their code is
2017-05-06T05:06:25 < dongs> i don't think you're getting the point here
2017-05-06T05:06:31 < branjb> ya ya
2017-05-06T05:06:33 < branjb> #define it
2017-05-06T05:07:13 < branjb> https://i.imgur.com/sK6T9Ck.jpg
2017-05-06T05:07:20 < upgrdman> so today at work i innovated my first use of a stencil for solder paste. worked perfect on the first try. shit, never gonna order PCBs without also ordering a mask. http://farrellf.com/temp/stenciled_solderpaste.jpg
2017-05-06T05:08:04 < branjb> is it better than doing it by hand?
2017-05-06T05:08:34 < upgrdman> also i need to buy a hot air station for work
2017-05-06T05:08:40 < upgrdman> using a heat gun is soo fucking ghetto
2017-05-06T05:08:47 < upgrdman> branjb, yes, by far
2017-05-06T05:09:09 < dongs> 'doing it by hand' as in what
2017-05-06T05:09:12 < dongs> hand-soldering?
2017-05-06T05:09:32 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-06T05:09:32 < upgrdman> hand dispensing paste
2017-05-06T05:09:40 < dongs> upgrdman: now you just need to buy my self-stretching stencil printer
2017-05-06T05:09:41 < upgrdman> or ya i guess wire soldering
2017-05-06T05:09:45 < branjb> i do hand dispensing paste with a hot air station
2017-05-06T05:09:46 < dongs> so you dont have to tape shit to desk
2017-05-06T05:09:58 < upgrdman> dongs, wuts dat
2017-05-06T05:10:31 < branjb> you can make a pretty good stencil holder with 8020
2017-05-06T05:11:07 < dongs> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqovFp5HOU
2017-05-06T05:11:47 < dongs> place board on bottom, stencil on top, stretch stencil, raise board, paste, drop
2017-05-06T05:11:59 < upgrdman> neat
2017-05-06T05:12:04 < dongs> 0:12 shows the stretch stuff
2017-05-06T05:12:10 < dongs> works prety good
2017-05-06T05:12:40 < dongs> get a stncil with those holes in the perimeter (i just sent chinks a separate .gerber layer to merge with every order)
2017-05-06T05:13:42 < dongs> anyway, finalyl you've joined the pros with proper stencil+reflow assembly lulz
2017-05-06T05:14:02 < sync> that looks like it will eat your fingers pretty well
2017-05-06T05:14:14 < dongs> sure, if you're a retard
2017-05-06T05:14:26 < dongs> like, stick your hand down it while its lowering
2017-05-06T05:15:22 < dongs> upgrdman: wtf is taht lcmxo2 thing
2017-05-06T05:15:24 < dongs> is that a cpld?
2017-05-06T05:15:45 < dongs> hm ya it is
2017-05-06T05:17:31 < upgrdman> ya
2017-05-06T05:17:33 < upgrdman> small cpld
2017-05-06T05:18:09 < upgrdman> dongs, also lol at "proper...reflow" i reflowed with that big ass heat gun in the phot
2017-05-06T05:18:13 < upgrdman> so far from pro, but worked
2017-05-06T05:18:14 < dongs> right
2017-05-06T05:18:23 < upgrdman> get closer tho
2017-05-06T05:18:26 < dongs> well, better than your last shit where you handsodlered crap on a single-sided etche board
2017-05-06T05:18:31 < upgrdman> now i need a dicknplace so i can be lazyer
2017-05-06T05:18:52 < dongs> dicknplace load time for that board: 1hr+
2017-05-06T05:18:54 < dongs> assembly time: 30 seconds
2017-05-06T05:18:55 < upgrdman> but then id have to setup a pnp for like 2 or 3 boards
2017-05-06T05:18:56 < dongs> not worth it
2017-05-06T05:18:58 < upgrdman> ya
2017-05-06T05:19:02 < dongs> you can handplace it in 1 hr
2017-05-06T05:19:31 < upgrdman> dongs, do you have to reel-all-the-things? or can your pnp pick up loose shit ?
2017-05-06T05:19:55 < dongs> both. most super common stuff is reels.
2017-05-06T05:19:59 < dongs> but i haev a small tray for cut tape shit
2017-05-06T05:20:02 < dongs> that it can grab shit from
2017-05-06T05:20:07 < dongs> i havent used that in loong time ago
2017-05-06T05:20:10 < dongs> ago=tho
2017-05-06T05:20:12 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-06T05:20:49 < dongs> cut tape shit basically works by moving head by pitch each pickup
2017-05-06T05:20:59 < dongs> where at the reel one it always picks in same place
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2017-05-06T05:35:01 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/a/NXzCj
2017-05-06T05:36:34 < dongs> crt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poSosvf5Sb8
2017-05-06T05:36:58 < dongs> wait is this jef79m
2017-05-06T05:37:03 < dongs> jef79m: confirm/deny
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2017-05-06T06:10:16 < englishman> dongs that stencil printer looks pro as fuck
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2017-05-06T07:06:20 < ohsix> sup
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2017-05-06T07:24:15 < jadew> so... this is nice
2017-05-06T07:24:35 < jadew> I made a bug report for an opensource MS project
2017-05-06T07:24:38 < jadew> 2 days ago
2017-05-06T07:24:43 < jadew> got fixed a couple of hours ago
2017-05-06T07:24:51 < dongs> vs.code is still garbage
2017-05-06T07:24:59 < jadew> not vs.code
2017-05-06T07:25:02 < jadew> typescript
2017-05-06T07:25:05 < dongs> shrug
2017-05-06T07:25:25 < jadew> I tried vs code again last week
2017-05-06T07:25:38 < jadew> and reverted back to atom
2017-05-06T07:25:42 < jadew> but they've made progress
2017-05-06T07:26:31 < jadew> they're much more strict in what the editor can/should do, which is why I think it lacks features currently, but it's probably for the best on the long run
2017-05-06T07:42:17 < englishman> turn your back on them and they steal your land
2017-05-06T07:46:38 < jsoft> What is the basic steps I need to take to make a clock work internally ( to trigger a DAC to request a DMA transfer ) ?
2017-05-06T07:46:44 < jsoft> I seem to be running into a brick wall
2017-05-06T07:47:16 < jsoft> I am not even interested in the speed too much rght now, just getting an actual transfer happening
2017-05-06T07:50:17 < jsoft> Oooooh
2017-05-06T07:50:25 < jsoft> I need to alter the GPIO pins
2017-05-06T07:50:35 < jsoft> I did not realize it actually used them for internal stuff
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2017-05-06T08:19:38 < ohsix> crt: dumm?
2017-05-06T08:19:58 < ohsix> ff had to solder something at home and it made me want to throw all the shit into the garbage
2017-05-06T08:20:23 < ohsix> also the solder smells like candy or some shit
2017-05-06T08:21:18 < ohsix> got the mp3 players that i mean to scavenge the batteries from, they're not bad
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2017-05-06T09:13:59 < jsoft> Do I need to use and/or enable intrrupts for a timer + dma + dac to work ?
2017-05-06T09:15:30 < dongs> no
2017-05-06T09:15:51 < dongs> are you DMA'ing out stuff from dac clocked by a timer?
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2017-05-06T09:26:56 < dongs> configure timer and select output trigger as update, configure dac and set dac trigger as that timer trgo
2017-05-06T09:27:05 < dongs> then configure DMA to feed the dac output registers.
2017-05-06T09:27:07 < dongs> thats all
2017-05-06T09:27:17 < dongs> then you can just enable dac/dma channel and let it free run
2017-05-06T09:28:46 < ohsix> https://www.sparkfun.com/spectacle sparkfun ripped off muh gr8 ideaz
2017-05-06T09:31:47 < ohsix> there needs to be a google maps of fruit
2017-05-06T09:31:58 < ohsix> really specific shit that few stores sell
2017-05-06T09:32:08 < emeb_mac> TIL - if using SPI port then clk/mosi/miso must be routed to pins for TXE / RXNE flags to work
2017-05-06T09:32:32 < emeb_mac> can't just set up SPI without AF
2017-05-06T09:33:02 < dongs> hm?
2017-05-06T09:33:34 < dongs> you wanted to use SPI .. with no inputs OR ouputs connected, and still care about txe/rxne flags for some reason/
2017-05-06T09:33:46 < emeb_mac> naw - that was by accident
2017-05-06T09:34:33 < emeb_mac> had it all setup and running, then later some other code took over the pins for GPIO and the DMA to the SPI port stopped because the flags no longer worked.
2017-05-06T09:34:46 < dongs> ah, nice
2017-05-06T09:35:09 < ohsix> emeb_mac: nice
2017-05-06T09:35:17 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0GKTMoIuGk&feature=youtu.be
2017-05-06T09:35:47 < ohsix> p good upgrdman
2017-05-06T09:35:57 < dongs> is that a fucking dong
2017-05-06T09:35:59 < ohsix> i found out the guy that gave my that bismuth has like 80lbs more of it or something insane
2017-05-06T09:36:02 < upgrdman> dongs, yes
2017-05-06T09:36:07 < ohsix> i'm thinking of casting it into a giant dildo
2017-05-06T09:36:15 < dongs> retweeting everywhere after cleaning up the url
2017-05-06T09:36:21 < ohsix> it will be small and heavy/ hardish to move
2017-05-06T09:36:25 < ohsix> y/n
2017-05-06T09:36:29 < dongs> since youer too much of a fagot to clean it
2017-05-06T09:36:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, not sure if you saw this from earlier, but TIL soldermask stencils are a gift from god:
2017-05-06T09:36:49 < upgrdman> so today at work i innovated my first use of a stencil for solder paste. worked perfect on the first try. shit, never gonna order PCBs without also ordering a mask. http://farrellf.com/temp/stenciled_solderpaste.jpg
2017-05-06T09:37:30 < ohsix> a+
2017-05-06T09:37:56 < ohsix> what's the stencil thickness?
2017-05-06T09:38:40 < ohsix> is that for work?
2017-05-06T09:38:50 < ohsix> it looks 'interesting'
2017-05-06T09:39:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, 0.12mm
2017-05-06T09:39:37 < upgrdman> the surface is just them sanding the top side, guessing to remove burrs
2017-05-06T09:39:47 < upgrdman> bottom surface is virgin and perfect
2017-05-06T09:40:02 < upgrdman> and ya, for work
2017-05-06T09:40:14 < upgrdman> im too check to pay for ENIG for hobby projects
2017-05-06T09:40:16 < dongs> amazing to have jobs that dont involve around autisming on irc
2017-05-06T09:40:19 < upgrdman> s/check/cheap
2017-05-06T09:40:26 < ohsix> i got rfid reader finally
2017-05-06T09:40:26 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-05-06T09:40:34 < ohsix> and those mp3 players heheh
2017-05-06T09:40:40 < dongs> involve? evolve? i donno. someshit liek that.
2017-05-06T09:40:50 < ohsix> don't feel bad tht i'm waiting until monday to f with
2017-05-06T09:40:52 < upgrdman> revolve
2017-05-06T09:41:06 < ohsix> i have a funny story
2017-05-06T09:41:11 < dongs> sit on that dong that got  slapped on the car hood and rotate
2017-05-06T09:41:26 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-06T09:41:34 < ohsix> i was driving around to chill and relax, watching the thunderstorm system that was near here yesterday
2017-05-06T09:41:45 < ohsix> i followed that shit all the way to washington
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2017-05-06T09:42:02 < ohsix> no clock in car, was listenign to podcasts, didn't get hime until 5am
2017-05-06T09:42:24 < ohsix> the only 'food' i could find/get was from a vending machine w/ broken refrigeration
2017-05-06T09:42:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: can you put features outside of the board?
2017-05-06T09:42:58 < ohsix> like indexing pins
2017-05-06T09:43:12 < ohsix> or shit, even in the pcb i guess, to line it up
2017-05-06T09:43:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh i miss being able to stay up all night and not worry about work. havent done that since high school summers
2017-05-06T09:43:43 < ohsix> i figured out why you wouldn't do it while i was typing it out, olol; squeegee isn't going to enjoy a peg
2017-05-06T09:43:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya but im only hand making one or two, so no point in making a jig
2017-05-06T09:43:53 < ohsix> oh i worried
2017-05-06T09:43:59 < ohsix> i thought i had something to do on friday
2017-05-06T09:44:07 < ohsix> there was no internet to be had either
2017-05-06T09:44:31 < ohsix> probably would have slept in car or some shit if i knew
2017-05-06T09:45:10 < ohsix> o shi, that's the fiber uart huh
2017-05-06T09:46:05 < ohsix> is that a machxo2?
2017-05-06T09:46:31 < jsoft> dongs, thanks
2017-05-06T09:47:24 < dongs> upgrdman receiving valuable life pro tips
2017-05-06T09:47:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, yes and yes
2017-05-06T09:48:16 < upgrdman> didnt solder the fiber shits to it since i havent checked functionality yet (other than i can prog the cpld and blink the green led)
2017-05-06T09:48:40 < upgrdman> and i verify the adc/dac/op amps works as expected, the fiber tx/rx and two other connectors will be soldered on
2017-05-06T09:48:51 < upgrdman> s/and/after
2017-05-06T09:49:08 < dongs> sounds liek youre already ahead of tom666
2017-05-06T09:49:22 < dongs> and way ahead of o6 in terms of completing a working board
2017-05-06T09:49:46 < upgrdman> whos tom
2017-05-06T09:50:35 < ohsix> speaking of people you don't know, there's this guy that has an extremely specific thing that i found funny
2017-05-06T09:50:36 < dongs> https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/thumbgallery.php?t=1290963&do=threadgallery&type=all&group=none&starter=no&page=2
2017-05-06T09:50:39 < dongs> upgrdman: tom66
2017-05-06T09:50:47 < upgrdman> and if it all works (i prolly wont be so lucky) then i can proceed with oil/heat/radiation testing
2017-05-06T09:51:23 < dongs> https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4260564-117-DSCN6478.JPG some good stuff there
2017-05-06T09:51:37 < ohsix> are they buying the finished thing or can you sell them after all that work
2017-05-06T09:51:40 < upgrdman> dongs, holly fucking shit. is he a troll or just super bad
2017-05-06T09:51:49 < dongs> just an autistic retard
2017-05-06T09:52:04 < upgrdman> ohsix, ? i work for them. im not selling it to them, im making it for them
2017-05-06T09:52:39 < dongs> https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4591050-142-DSCN7149.jpg
2017-05-06T09:52:43 < dongs> revision #10
2017-05-06T09:52:59 < dongs> i think this was also made in kikecad
2017-05-06T09:53:13 < dongs> so the circuit was actually broken before it was even made into pcb
2017-05-06T09:53:18 < dongs> since there was no usable DRC etc.
2017-05-06T09:53:28 < upgrdman> tom's gotta be a beaky
2017-05-06T09:53:53 < dongs> he opened a indiegogo on that shit (or wahetver teh fuck the popular site was back then) and got like $1200 from idiots
2017-05-06T09:54:13 < dongs> which he promptly blew on ordering every single color of china pcb
2017-05-06T09:54:17 < dongs> and throwing them into the grass
2017-05-06T09:54:23 < dongs> to see HOW IT CONTRASTS WITH THE NATURE
2017-05-06T09:55:18 < dongs> crt: probly same thing you'd read if you /unignore amp6
2017-05-06T09:56:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: are they going to sell it? that kind of widget is handy
2017-05-06T09:56:44 < ohsix> otherwise you use media converters and it's just ethernet
2017-05-06T09:57:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, well its for r&d and it may end up in some industrial xray shitz. can't go into too much detail, out of respect for my employer
2017-05-06T09:58:04 < ohsix> yup
2017-05-06T09:58:07 < dongs> that cpld is quite cute
2017-05-06T09:58:21 < upgrdman> dongs, ya im pretty happy with the machxo2's
2017-05-06T09:58:23 < ohsix> esp if they didn't have you sign over shit or not to talk about it
2017-05-06T09:58:30 < upgrdman> and the little QFN ones are cheap-ish
2017-05-06T09:58:33 < dongs> any bits of ram on it?
2017-05-06T09:58:39 < dongs> or is it logic only
2017-05-06T09:58:47 < upgrdman> ya the -1200 i have has EBR
2017-05-06T09:59:29 < upgrdman> dongs, Total RAM Bits	65536
2017-05-06T09:59:35 < upgrdman> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lattice-semiconductor-corporation/LCMXO2-1200HC-4SG32C/LCMXO2-1200HC-4SG32C-ND/6173798
2017-05-06T09:59:39 < ohsix> so wat was the deal breaker again, something passthrough capacitor or optoisolator won't fix
2017-05-06T09:59:53 < ohsix> heh
2017-05-06T09:59:54 < ohsix> well shit
2017-05-06T09:59:55 < upgrdman> ohsix, need >100kV isolation
2017-05-06T10:00:04 < ohsix> http://conceptoverdrive.com/products/fiber_serial.php look at that
2017-05-06T10:00:13 < dongs> cheap considering.
2017-05-06T10:00:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, way too slow. im doing 12MBaud UART
2017-05-06T10:00:34 < upgrdman> not 115200 :)
2017-05-06T10:00:40 < ohsix> sure
2017-05-06T10:00:51 < ohsix> just showed up in a search when it hadn't before
2017-05-06T10:00:54 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-06T10:01:02 < ohsix> hehe
2017-05-06T10:01:35 < ohsix> https://selinc.com/products/2829/
2017-05-06T10:01:41 < ohsix> $$$
2017-05-06T10:01:59 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-06T10:02:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, STARTING AT
2017-05-06T10:02:01 < upgrdman> 351 USD
2017-05-06T10:02:08 < upgrdman> Fast Data Rates—Transfer data at rates up to 40 kbps.
2017-05-06T10:02:16 < upgrdman> TIL 40Kbps is "fast"
2017-05-06T10:02:17 < ohsix> yea shit sucks
2017-05-06T10:02:32 < ohsix> in a world where 9600 is average
2017-05-06T10:02:41 < dongs> upgrdman: its good thing you dont irc at work
2017-05-06T10:03:49 < dongs> ive been putting off this board layout for like 4 months
2017-05-06T10:03:55 < dongs> finally one more signal left to do
2017-05-06T10:05:03 < ohsix> hard to find stuff for this, cuz 'high' voltage starts so far away from 100kv
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2017-05-06T10:06:34 < ohsix> so wat's the cpld for, protocol state machine?
2017-05-06T10:06:49 < ohsix> or are you doing manchester or some whatevers encoding on the optical side
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2017-05-06T10:08:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, the cpld manages the UART, ADC and DAC. and some secret sauce.
2017-05-06T10:12:15 < ohsix> oh it's also signal acquisition stuff?
2017-05-06T10:12:33 < upgrdman> yes
2017-05-06T10:12:52 < ohsix> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/SFP-side.jpg
2017-05-06T10:13:01 < ohsix> heh dang theser are a lot smaller than i thought
2017-05-06T10:16:58 < dongs> fucking great
2017-05-06T10:17:07 < dongs> altidumb has some invisible trace into huge coordinates
2017-05-06T10:17:13 < dongs> now i gotta figure out where it is
2017-05-06T10:18:39 < jsoft> Hmm
2017-05-06T10:20:48 < jsoft> dongs, yay, finally got DMA working :)
2017-05-06T10:24:58 < dongs> yeah. it was very simple.
2017-05-06T10:25:07 < dongs> i made a piezo sintab buzzer with that
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2017-05-06T11:06:27 < Steffanx> language crt.
2017-05-06T11:12:07 < Steffanx>  \o
2017-05-06T11:18:24 < zyp> huh, f401 doesn't have CAN
2017-05-06T11:18:44 < nikomo> it CAN't even
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2017-05-06T11:25:03 < Thorn> and it only has one dwc_otg core iirc
2017-05-06T11:25:37 < zyp> yep
2017-05-06T11:25:46 < Thorn> <Thorn> why can't I make an enum class declared in a parent template visible using 'using' unlike other members? http://ideone.com/LQd4T0
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2017-05-06T11:29:16 < zyp> Thorn, http://ideone.com/Mr69KM
2017-05-06T11:29:46 < Thorn> l0lz
2017-05-06T11:29:48 < Thorn> thanks
2017-05-06T11:30:01 < zyp> took me a few tries to make it work
2017-05-06T11:30:23 < zyp> but yeah, it makes sense, since it's a type and not a plain member
2017-05-06T11:30:30 < zyp> sort of sense, at least
2017-05-06T11:31:07 < zyp> I don't have much experience with that new using-usage, so I tried with typedef, and then it said straight out that it needed the typename keyword
2017-05-06T11:31:52 < Thorn> hm sounds like a compiler deficiency then
2017-05-06T11:32:17 < Thorn> I wonder if the FSF warriors would accept a bug report
2017-05-06T11:32:25 < Thorn> about the message
2017-05-06T11:32:40 < dongs> what is that even
2017-05-06T11:33:17 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvgbpnRWqY
2017-05-06T11:33:20 < dongs> never mind i dont wanna find out
2017-05-06T11:33:26 < dongs> Thorn: retarded cats?
2017-05-06T11:33:56 < dongs> googling video ID is the new hotness.
2017-05-06T11:34:02 < dongs> will be skipping that click
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2017-05-06T11:50:20 < Ultrasauce> man karlp there is a lot of weird shit in zypsnips
2017-05-06T11:51:40 < dongs> any trump jokes?
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2017-05-06T11:52:37 < dongs> at least there's no o6 wisdom in there
2017-05-06T11:53:05 < dongs> i dono. i finally got windows installed on the fagbook
2017-05-06T11:53:11 < dongs> apparently creators update doesnt boot on it
2017-05-06T11:53:15 < dongs> but anniversary does
2017-05-06T11:53:25 < dongs> but the touchpad is fucking useless
2017-05-06T11:53:34 < dongs> yes
2017-05-06T11:53:38 < dongs> laptop for faggots
2017-05-06T11:53:40 < dongs> made by apple
2017-05-06T11:53:52 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce like what?
2017-05-06T11:54:08 < dongs> touchpad is completely unusable.
2017-05-06T11:54:20 < dongs> any two-fingers down on it and it just stops mousing
2017-05-06T11:54:41 < dongs> without hacking some shit the scroll direction is inverted
2017-05-06T11:55:15 < dongs> apparently apple users are neever expected to use 2 fingers to mouse+tap
2017-05-06T11:55:22 < dongs> like glide one finger and tap with another
2017-05-06T11:55:43 < Steffanx> works here.
2017-05-06T11:56:09 < Steffanx> but that is macos, not winny.
2017-05-06T11:57:18 < Steffanx> good luck with the fn-keys in windows without the bootcamp drivers.
2017-05-06T11:57:20 < Ultrasauce> like https://i.imgur.com/3GR79LW.jpg
2017-05-06T11:57:33 < Steffanx> no, that is not weird.
2017-05-06T11:57:34 < Ultrasauce> what the fuck is with you guys and stroopwaffels
2017-05-06T11:57:43 < Steffanx> it was requested.
2017-05-06T11:57:50 < dongs> Steffanx: all that shit is installed already.
2017-05-06T11:57:53 < dongs> the problem isnt the drivers
2017-05-06T11:58:23 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce those were in my special care package i shipped to englishman.
2017-05-06T11:58:35 < Ultrasauce> so where's mine
2017-05-06T11:58:57 < Steffanx> in aussieland atm, on its way to crt.
2017-05-06T11:59:55 < Steffanx> or you can visit englishman, he has some left i believe.
2017-05-06T12:00:16 < Ultrasauce> that's like a 12 hour drive
2017-05-06T12:00:45 < Steffanx> shipping is like 24e + 12 days wait....
2017-05-06T12:00:49 < dongs> > Sydney, Australia described in a single song.
2017-05-06T12:02:46 < Steffanx> Anyway dongs, i dont know then.. ( and i dont care, dont run windows on it )
2017-05-06T12:06:24 < zyp> crt, you're all set for your date with Laurenceb now?
2017-05-06T12:07:59 < Steffanx> Just troll him on tinder, that's more than enough.
2017-05-06T12:08:25 < dongs> isnt tinder gps based
2017-05-06T12:08:56 < Steffanx> crt is going to the land of Laurenceb.
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2017-05-06T12:21:46 < ReadError> who is muscles lol
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2017-05-06T13:36:46 < Steffanx> why dont you go back to russia and save your people R2COM.
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2017-05-06T13:49:17 < Steffanx> but didnt you parents hate you for moving to the country of the infidels?
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2017-05-06T14:05:03 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I wasn't able to spot any non-trivial specific statement in the first video. The forecast is so vague that it is not verifiable in any meaningful sense, not today, not 20 years later. He says "soon" but doesn't give any timeframe whatsoever.
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2017-05-06T14:42:46 < Streaker> https://youtu.be/8ZeSPcsV5RI
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2017-05-06T16:12:47 < jsoft> Is it just me or is setting stuff up like the clock speeds and what not quite tricky to grok when new to it all?
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2017-05-06T16:31:14 < jsoft> Hmm
2017-05-06T16:31:44 < jsoft> up to 17 Khz sine wave from 360 points on 12 bit dac
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2017-05-06T16:38:57 < englishman> doing it completely by hand can be tricky yeah
2017-05-06T16:39:06 < englishman> so st made stm32cubemx
2017-05-06T16:39:21 < englishman> with amazing clock tree diagram and code generation tool
2017-05-06T16:47:38 < mtbg> amazing clock tree diagram should be enough
2017-05-06T16:47:47 < mtbg> for convenient setting it by hand
2017-05-06T16:47:49 < mtbg> :>
2017-05-06T17:02:56 < jsoft> Damn it
2017-05-06T17:03:00 < jsoft> sine wave looks ugly :(
2017-05-06T17:03:42 < dongs> my piezo sinewave looked prettty sweet
2017-05-06T17:04:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sFmx6pl.png
2017-05-06T17:04:19 < dongs> i think this was it
2017-05-06T17:04:56 < jsoft> yeah
2017-05-06T17:05:21 < branjb> anyone ever used the video tutorials from http://www.fedevel.com/academy/ ?
2017-05-06T17:05:42 < jsoft> I've got shitty transitions from the peaks and back down / up
2017-05-06T17:05:43 < Thorn> looks like it's clipped
2017-05-06T17:06:18 < jsoft> Thorn, talking to me?
2017-05-06T17:06:25 < Thorn> branjb: at least one of them is on udemy, can get it for $10, they seem to have regular sales
2017-05-06T17:06:55 < Thorn> talking about http://i.imgur.com/sFmx6pl.png
2017-05-06T17:07:55 < branjb> Thorn: is it that create an arduino nano one?
2017-05-06T17:08:10 < Thorn> https://www.udemy.com/learn-to-design-your-own-boards/
2017-05-06T17:08:14 < Thorn> yes
2017-05-06T17:08:25 < branjb> ah, nice
2017-05-06T17:08:31 < Thorn> the big one (i.mx sbc) is not available afaik
2017-05-06T17:08:38 < jsoft> I was all paranoid about my first board
2017-05-06T17:08:43 < jsoft> It turned out ok
2017-05-06T17:08:49 < dongs> you dont need to waste $18 to make a fucking arduino board
2017-05-06T17:08:55 < jsoft> Then the second one turned out ok, and that had 50 million vias in it
2017-05-06T17:09:32 < branjb> dongs you got a good altium tutorial or did you just click shit till it worked?
2017-05-06T17:09:34 < Thorn> it's an intro to altium
2017-05-06T17:10:02 < dongs> branjb: click shit until it worked, but everything is so self explanatory it doesnt really need a tutorial
2017-05-06T17:10:11 < dongs> i think they have one or two on site, like from real basics
2017-05-06T17:10:28 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Tutorial+-+Getting+Started+with+PCB+Design i think this
2017-05-06T17:10:32 < dongs> still loading
2017-05-06T17:10:43 < dongs> ya that looks like the one i've looked  at at some point
2017-05-06T17:10:54 < branjb> cool
2017-05-06T17:13:00 < Thorn> (btw I've never seen an arduino irl but I don't think that's a nano, more like uno or whatever)
2017-05-06T17:13:10 < branjb> w/e
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2017-05-06T17:16:58 < jsoft> Arduinos are seriously handy though.
2017-05-06T17:17:16 < jsoft> All those 'yeah just make this simple shit go already' type of deal
2017-05-06T17:17:30 < dongs> branjb: http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Creating+Library+Components+Tutorial another absolutely necessary step
2017-05-06T17:17:57 < dongs> as you will need to be making all your symbols/footprints'
2017-05-06T17:18:07 < branjb> once i watched somebody make a footprint in altium
2017-05-06T17:18:13 < branjb> they just typed some numbers into a GUI
2017-05-06T17:18:17 < branjb> and the footprint popped up
2017-05-06T17:18:22 < dongs> yeah, thats for shit like qfn
2017-05-06T17:18:26 < branjb> ah
2017-05-06T17:18:31 < dongs> for schmeatic symbols you can do excel too
2017-05-06T17:18:33 < jsoft> branjb, yeah there is a footprint wizard thing
2017-05-06T17:18:38 < dongs> copypaste pin names from datasheet and paste
2017-05-06T17:18:42 < dongs> auto-turns into pins
2017-05-06T17:18:45 < dongs> thats all advanced shit tho
2017-05-06T17:18:49 < jsoft> branjb, but you can make a simple footprint and copy it as an array
2017-05-06T17:19:23 < branjb> seems like altium has a bunch of premade libraries @ https://designcontent.live.altium.com/
2017-05-06T17:19:31 < branjb> are they bad?
2017-05-06T17:19:45 < dongs> thety're ok but too verbose and you're not gonna get them unless you're paying
2017-05-06T17:19:57 < dongs> each symbol there has over 9000 properties that I dont need or want
2017-05-06T17:20:11 < dongs> so if I do end up using somethign from tehre i just copypaste the actyual footprint without metadata
2017-05-06T17:20:39 < dongs> they have all that BOM management etc shit so you have like 20 supplier links and unit prices and weighht and other shit i dont give a fuck about
2017-05-06T17:21:11 < jsoft> I learnt how to use kicad for my last shit burger pcb masterpiece, I actually like kicad in terms of getting on with it
2017-05-06T17:21:13 < branjb> haha
2017-05-06T17:21:22 < branjb> i'm ok with kicad
2017-05-06T17:21:38 < dongs> if you use kikecad and try altium youll never go back
2017-05-06T17:21:39 < branjb> i just figured being familiar with altium probably would be good too
2017-05-06T17:21:50 < jsoft> dongs, I have tried altium, I made my first pcb in it
2017-05-06T17:22:07 < jsoft> dongs, its all flash and shit, but way to mental for what I want to do.
2017-05-06T17:22:13 < dongs> eh?
2017-05-06T17:22:33 < dongs> how so? it scales from being perfectly usable for dumb shit to complex designs
2017-05-06T17:23:15 < dongs> never have i sit down and think HMM altium makes this TOO HARD
2017-05-06T17:23:17 < jsoft> Yes you sure can. But I currently like kicad after learning it.
2017-05-06T17:24:22 < jsoft> Also I got pissed off with windows and now run linux so altium is a pain in the ass.
2017-05-06T17:24:27 < jsoft> ( to run on linux I mean )
2017-05-06T17:24:29 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-05-06T17:25:13 < jsoft> Hey I aint bagging on altium, it is certainly the shizzle. But given I found my copy on the side of the road, I feel better using kicad in a more legit fashion
2017-05-06T17:27:05 < jsoft> How would you guys go about making a prototype function generator ( sine, saw tooth, triangle ) in 2 weeks? Low spec though, >= 20Khz
2017-05-06T17:27:45 < dongs> look for something on ebay, then see which shitty part# they used (probly some DDS or wahtever) then make a board with stm32+ that?
2017-05-06T17:27:56 < jsoft> Im currently farting around with an f0's DAC, doing 30Khz, but it seems to be quite ugly at the peaks
2017-05-06T17:28:02 < dongs> you could probly do 20khz with just gpio
2017-05-06T17:28:29 < jsoft> GPIO -> R2R ladder?
2017-05-06T17:29:49 < jsoft> Actually I was wondering if an R2R would be faster than the inbuilt DAC I have
2017-05-06T17:29:53 < jsoft> and 16 bit
2017-05-06T17:29:57 < dongs> and DMA to GPIO
2017-05-06T17:29:58 < dongs> yes
2017-05-06T17:30:03 < mtbg> there are parallel dacs also
2017-05-06T17:30:15 < jsoft> mtbg, what is a parallel dac?
2017-05-06T17:30:58 < mtbg> parallel input dacs
2017-05-06T17:31:05 < dongs> jsoft: replacement for r2r
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2017-05-06T17:41:00 < jsoft> Would you guys think using the GPIO port's is a better option for high speed DAC shenanigans?
2017-05-06T17:41:47 < dongs> better than waht
2017-05-06T17:42:04 < dongs> DAC has specified speed limits.
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2017-05-06T17:42:09 < dongs> so does gpio
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2017-05-06T17:50:54 < dongs> emeb_mac would know all about function generation from stm32
2017-05-06T17:51:44 < emeb_mac> hah - don't do it!
2017-05-06T17:53:01 < mtbg> one can connect parallel dac to something like ft2232h
2017-05-06T17:53:07 < mtbg> to have quick and dirty dds
2017-05-06T17:53:42 < mtbg> which requires constant high bandwidth stream from usb host and also has somewhat indeterministic latency
2017-05-06T17:54:00 < mtbg> but for some applications it is still ok
2017-05-06T17:55:46 < jsoft> OK, so my sine wave generator thingy using a DAC looks ugly as sin at the peaks, but if I adjust it so its say within 1/4 -> 3/4 of the dac's values, it looks uber pretty
2017-05-06T17:55:53 < jsoft> Any ideas what is causing this?
2017-05-06T17:57:32 < mtbg> overflowing or overdriving something?
2017-05-06T17:58:04 < dongs> something about dacs maximum slew rate?
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2017-05-06T18:10:04 < Thorn> my newly templatized driver seems to be sending crap instead of the device descriptor :/
2017-05-06T18:10:24 < jsoft> Hmm
2017-05-06T18:10:26 < jsoft> Not sure
2017-05-06T18:10:40 < jsoft> slew rate should not really matter because it's essentially the same
2017-05-06T18:10:52 < jsoft> for the smaller ptp vs full scale p2p
2017-05-06T18:10:53 < branjb> if i have a char * what is the correct way of | the last two bits?  address | 0x03 returns compiler error
2017-05-06T18:11:02 < dongs> wat
2017-05-06T18:11:12 < dongs> what is the question?
2017-05-06T18:11:25 < dongs> you want to mask or clear them?
2017-05-06T18:11:31 < branjb> MMU shit for an assignment, need to set the last two bits of an address
2017-05-06T18:12:03 < dongs> you mean foo |= 0x03; ?
2017-05-06T18:12:04 < aandrew> mtbg: best way to approach that is a USB audio class driver
2017-05-06T18:12:10 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-06T18:12:15 < aandrew> isochronous transfers and
2017-05-06T18:12:37 < dongs> what about that jitter
2017-05-06T18:12:42 < dongs> you need xmos for usb audio
2017-05-06T18:12:42 < aandrew> isochronous transfers and just DMA the shit right ot the DAC over I2S or whatever
2017-05-06T18:13:05 < aandrew> dongs: buffer it a bit, using RAM as an elastic buffer
2017-05-06T18:13:11 < mtbg> they allow to buffer it less
2017-05-06T18:13:20 < mtbg> as they are periodic and guarranted
2017-05-06T18:13:22 < aandrew> how much jitter do you get on STM32 iso?
2017-05-06T18:13:34 < dongs> no idea, nobody has written any code to test it.
2017-05-06T18:13:39 < dongs> xmos is teh leader by default
2017-05-06T18:13:43 < aandrew> hm
2017-05-06T18:13:46 < dongs> entire audiopile industry is only xmos
2017-05-06T18:13:51 < aandrew> orly
2017-05-06T18:13:52 < mtbg> fpga + phy
2017-05-06T18:13:55 < mtbg> better than xmos
2017-05-06T18:13:56 < mtbg> :>
2017-05-06T18:13:57 < aandrew> yeah I was gonna say
2017-05-06T18:14:19 < aandrew> I've done FX3+FPGA and tested 2.5Gbit bidir
2017-05-06T18:14:49 < aandrew> fx2lp is still amaze for usb2hs
2017-05-06T18:15:00 < mtbg> xc6slx16 is suspiciously cheap on aliexpress
2017-05-06T18:15:04 < mtbg> but seems ok
2017-05-06T18:17:44 < Laurenceb_> haha xmos
2017-05-06T18:17:46 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
2017-05-06T18:17:54 < dongs> jitter and nobody written any for stm32
2017-05-06T18:17:57 < dongs> to prove otherwise
2017-05-06T18:18:00 < aandrew> mtbg: wow those are cheap
2017-05-06T18:18:28 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-05-06T18:18:29 < dongs> aandrew: they're used in those led panel drivers
2017-05-06T18:18:40 < Laurenceb_> so that is how xmos is still in business
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2017-05-06T18:18:51 < aandrew> dongs: ah
2017-05-06T18:18:58 < dongs> like the led all shit
2017-05-06T18:18:59 < Laurenceb_> audiophools
2017-05-06T18:19:02 < dongs> BAR16? or wahtever teh fuck
2017-05-06T18:19:47 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/rgb-led-control-card-xixun-D10-control-card-asynchronous-full-color-Receiving-card-led-display-screen/32762469502.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000017.1.Evvwsx
2017-05-06T18:19:58 < dongs> this is a very standard cloneboard
2017-05-06T18:20:11 < dongs> xilinx shit in the center + some sram + ethernet phy's not actually being used as ethernet
2017-05-06T18:21:13 < dongs> there was a common name for t hat shit i forgot what it was and im not finding it immediately
2017-05-06T18:21:25 < aandrew> interesting
2017-05-06T18:22:37 < mtbg> dongs: and you connect them in chain with ethernet cables?
2017-05-06T18:22:42 < dongs> yeah
2017-05-06T18:22:44 < emeb_mac> re earlier DAC question
2017-05-06T18:22:59 < dongs> there's also extra cards (whic his the shit I cant find names of) that expand those fpga boards to more led panels
2017-05-06T18:23:08 < Laurenceb_> wai
2017-05-06T18:23:12 < emeb_mac> stm32 DAC output buffer doesn't go all the way to the rails so there's some clipping distortion at the limits
2017-05-06T18:23:24 < Laurenceb_> so audiophools don't know how to buffer?
2017-05-06T18:23:54 < emeb_mac> so either reduce the amplitude of the signal to avoid the regions near the rails
2017-05-06T18:24:02 < emeb_mac> or don't turn on the buffer and do the buffering externally
2017-05-06T18:25:12 < emeb_mac> but really, that DAC isn't much to write home about. Better than PWM but not much
2017-05-06T18:25:14 < mtbg> these phys look like gigabit phys
2017-05-06T18:25:19 < mtbg> given the number of traces
2017-05-06T18:25:24 < dongs> they might be
2017-05-06T18:25:37 < mtbg> but then there are only two differential pairs
2017-05-06T18:25:41 < mtbg> on the top layer
2017-05-06T18:25:46 < mtbg> so maybe not?
2017-05-06T18:25:57 < dongs> they could be using a wider MII thing too
2017-05-06T18:26:00 < dongs> not RMII or whatever
2017-05-06T18:26:02 < dongs> but the other shit with more crap
2017-05-06T18:26:05 < dongs> cuz lazy coders?
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2017-05-06T18:27:10 < dongs> doesnt matter
2017-05-06T18:27:16 < dongs> noneo f the chinks actually khows how that board wroks
2017-05-06T18:27:19 < dongs> they all just copy each other
2017-05-06T18:27:21 < dongs> and steal the bitstream
2017-05-06T18:27:28 < dongs> theres like 20 variations of that same board on aliexpress
2017-05-06T18:27:37 < dongs> different company just slaps their name on the sticker and sells it
2017-05-06T18:29:57 < aandrew> emeb_mac: don't drive DACs to the rails
2017-05-06T18:30:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sFmx6pl.png < works for me
2017-05-06T18:30:22 < aandrew> emeb_mac: don't drive opamps to the rails either, best to stay over 500mV, even on r2r opamps
2017-05-06T18:30:49 < aandrew> things get fucky and if you need really good quality you can see it even on fancy opamps
2017-05-06T18:31:05 < aandrew> they all play tricks to get you to the rails and you can see it spectrally
2017-05-06T18:31:19 < aandrew> dongs: yes, you can do it
2017-05-06T18:31:25 < aandrew> but on this EM tracker project for instance
2017-05-06T18:31:50 < aandrew> we can see a little it of distortion if the transmitter is too close to the receiver and the waveform starts to distort even a half % or so
2017-05-06T18:32:04 < aandrew> this is with fancy ass AD preamps
2017-05-06T18:32:15 < englishman> zyp: is "nkr" same as "nok" for currency?
2017-05-06T18:36:04 < emeb_mac> aandrew: that's pretty much what I said, no? :)
2017-05-06T18:36:49 < englishman> dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubt19wLNcKM
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2017-05-06T18:53:35 < zyp> englishman, probably
2017-05-06T18:53:43 < zyp> in norwegian we usually just abbreviate them kr
2017-05-06T18:54:24 < aandrew> emeb_mac: :-)
2017-05-06T18:59:07 < englishman> thx
2017-05-06T18:59:21 < englishman> flights to Oslo are like $280
2017-05-06T18:59:27 < englishman> I might go on a waffel run
2017-05-06T19:05:34 < Laurenceb_> too cold
2017-05-06T19:06:01 < englishman> oslo-london flight is $17 Laurenceb_
2017-05-06T19:06:11 < Laurenceb_> what the fuck
2017-05-06T19:06:13 < englishman> prepare your launch tube for a rocket
2017-05-06T19:06:37 < Laurenceb_> lul train to londonistan is ten times that
2017-05-06T19:06:55 < Laurenceb_> maybe I can travel via moscow or something
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2017-05-06T19:10:44 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: hitchhike
2017-05-06T19:10:59  * Laurenceb_ prepares his anus
2017-05-06T19:13:46 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-05-06T19:14:13 < Laurenceb_> the guy who just "ran" the marathon had aerodynamic guys in front
2017-05-06T19:14:23 < englishman> drafting?
2017-05-06T19:14:26 < Laurenceb_> fake tier: xmos+emdrive
2017-05-06T19:14:28 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-05-06T19:14:40 < englishman> that's pretty smart
2017-05-06T19:19:51 < TheSeven> hm, so the CRC32 unit doesn't have a separate reg for the crc value, i.e. you cannot write state to it to continue checksumming something that was interrupted before
2017-05-06T19:20:06 < TheSeven> is there some math trick to move it to a certain state from its 0xffffffff reset sate?
2017-05-06T19:20:23 < Laurenceb_> probably
2017-05-06T19:20:25 < Laurenceb_> ^n00b
2017-05-06T19:20:31 < TheSeven> IIUC I can move it from X to 0 by feeding in X
2017-05-06T19:20:44 < TheSeven> but how do I get it from 0xffffffff to X?
2017-05-06T19:21:15 < Laurenceb_> surely it depends on what crc its using
2017-05-06T19:21:23 < Laurenceb_> I've never used the CRC hardware
2017-05-06T19:22:04 < zyp> TheSeven, no, a crc will never be 0 no matter what you feed in
2017-05-06T19:22:06 < englishman> you can't write the crc initializing value?
2017-05-06T19:22:09 < englishman> is that the older crc?
2017-05-06T19:22:31 < TheSeven> zyp: huh? how would that be possible?
2017-05-06T19:22:38 < TheSeven> englishman: F2
2017-05-06T19:22:54 < TheSeven> it basically has one 32 bit reg and a reset bit, that's it
2017-05-06T19:23:10 < englishman> damn
2017-05-06T19:23:36 < mtbg> wikipedia says
2017-05-06T19:23:54 < mtbg> that crc(a xor b xor c) = crc(a) xor crc(b) xor crc(c)
2017-05-06T19:25:08 < Laurenceb_> thats one sort of crc...
2017-05-06T19:30:05 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/3Oovsgr
2017-05-06T19:30:11 < Laurenceb_> he has finally retired
2017-05-06T19:36:14 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/1503KFt
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2017-05-06T19:43:26 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/ZJUy8Aa
2017-05-06T19:49:41 < Steffanx> We dont need you to browser imgur for us Laurenceb_.
2017-05-06T19:49:56 < Laurenceb_> k
2017-05-06T19:51:30 < Steffanx> How was your day
2017-05-06T19:53:09 < Laurenceb_> cleaning my fedora
2017-05-06T19:53:26 < Laurenceb_> combing my neckbeard
2017-05-06T19:58:00 < Thorn> Laurenceb_ this is the image you were looking for http://i.imgur.com/jhpw0Qs.jpg
2017-05-06T19:59:30 < Laurenceb_> wew thats one creepy neckbeard
2017-05-06T20:01:36 < TheSeven> "error: expression 'init' has side-effects" - wtf
2017-05-06T20:01:53 < TheSeven> I can't take the address of a function in a constexpr constructor?
2017-05-06T20:02:19 < TheSeven> init is defined as extern "C" void __attribute__((noreturn)) init();
2017-05-06T20:02:39 < Thorn> it's only known at link time, isn't it
2017-05-06T20:03:07 < TheSeven> yeah, but how is that a problem? isn't that what relocations are for?
2017-05-06T20:03:48 < TheSeven> I mean I can surely put addresses only known at link time into constants stored in flash
2017-05-06T20:04:00 < Thorn> constexprs are evaluated at compile time afaik
2017-05-06T20:06:03 < TheSeven> and so is void (* const initPtr)() = init;, but that works
2017-05-06T20:06:51 < Thorn> that is a reference to a symbol which is resolved by the linker
2017-05-06T20:07:21 < Thorn> the standards committee wants to make life easier not for developers but for the standards committee
2017-05-06T20:10:01 < TheSeven> hm, looks like it's the noreturn attribute that prevents it, for whatever reason
2017-05-06T20:10:05 < TheSeven> without that it works
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2017-05-06T21:59:22 < mtbg> TheSeven: http://stigge.org/martin/pub/SAR-PR-2006-05.pdf
2017-05-06T21:59:50 < mtbg> not so trivial problem
2017-05-06T22:00:38 < mtbg> I mean, not obvious - I think they messed up not providing crc state register for restoring state
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2017-05-06T22:48:01 < englishman> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/1Y3yUJ2.jpg
2017-05-06T22:50:58 < mtbg> is it a dead swan?
2017-05-06T22:52:31 < englishman> goose
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2017-05-06T23:07:57 < Steffanx> You finally have food englishman :)
2017-05-06T23:08:05 < englishman> \o/
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2017-05-06T23:14:01 < Thorn> no it is the cat who has the food
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2017-05-06T23:55:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKV2g5NmJVSjVRQ28/view?usp=sharing got a fan
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2017-05-07T00:24:50 < branjb> if you segfault and your ip is at say 0x4000000e, does that mean that is the line that caused the segfault, or the line previous to it?
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2017-05-07T00:33:59 < mtbg> on cortex-m?
2017-05-07T00:36:07 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-07T00:36:52 < branjb> i guess another way of rephrasing it is does ip increment, then instruction executed, or is instruction executed, then ip incremented?
2017-05-07T00:46:36 < mtbg> you can change the behavior
2017-05-07T00:46:55 < mtbg> typically pc points to the next instruction to be executed
2017-05-07T00:47:34 < mtbg> so that you can load a value to pc and it will start executing at that exact address
2017-05-07T00:47:50 < mtbg> however, in exceptions and faults on cortex-m
2017-05-07T00:48:23 < mtbg> there is a mode where pc points to the fault-causing instruction (i.e. precise mode)
2017-05-07T00:49:18 < branjb> what document would i look at to find that?
2017-05-07T00:51:34 < mtbg> oh well
2017-05-07T00:51:49 < mtbg> it seems that you can't change the behavior
2017-05-07T00:51:55 < mtbg> but you can check flags
2017-05-07T00:52:32 < mtbg> to tell if the exception was synchronous and therefore there is the exact address of fault-causing instruction in pc
2017-05-07T00:52:40 < mtbg> or if it was asynchronous
2017-05-07T00:52:45 < mtbg> https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~prabal/teaching/eecs373-f10/readings/ARMv7-M_ARM.pdf
2017-05-07T00:54:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR-YlZ9NdIA robot arms
2017-05-07T00:56:22 < branjb> ty
2017-05-07T00:57:42 < mtbg> and that 4000000e is probably 4000000d and 1<<0 for thumb mode
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2017-05-07T01:13:39 < invzim> routingrouting routing
2017-05-07T01:13:43 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3b0I0cUhUX0ViUEE/view
2017-05-07T01:13:52 < invzim> via's too close to pad?
2017-05-07T01:14:55 < mtbg> will there be solder mask on the vias?
2017-05-07T01:15:27 < invzim> yes, in theory
2017-05-07T01:16:14 < mtbg> I think you should check the soldermask layer
2017-05-07T01:16:48 < mtbg> the vias can suck out solder from pads
2017-05-07T01:17:06 < invzim> yeah, that is kind of my worry
2017-05-07T01:17:19 < invzim> otoh, they say you want decoupling as close to the pin as possible
2017-05-07T01:17:37 < mtbg> that is one more thing
2017-05-07T01:17:55 < invzim> it's up the pcb house anyway, they don't seem to respect the mask laywer much :)
2017-05-07T01:18:01 < invzim> layer
2017-05-07T01:18:02 < mtbg> decoupling connected through via is somewhat worse
2017-05-07T01:18:20 < mtbg> than on the same side of the pcb
2017-05-07T01:18:28 < invzim> weeeellll, try that with a bga
2017-05-07T01:18:44 < invzim> or fpga as in this case, it's just too busy and tight
2017-05-07T01:19:10 < invzim> got an older proto of this design with the caps on bottom, and works fine
2017-05-07T01:19:24 < invzim> I'm just in OCD mode and want to get it right
2017-05-07T01:20:00 < mtbg> it is still good enough probably
2017-05-07T01:20:14 < mtbg> given that very close otherwise
2017-05-07T01:21:15 < mtbg> there are also acid traps between your vias and pads of the capacitors
2017-05-07T01:21:54 < mtbg> but the whole acid trap thing can be very well paranoid and/or outdated
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2017-05-07T01:26:02 < invzim> it's kind of hard to know sometimes
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2017-05-07T01:35:38 < invzim> actually, after looking at board under micrsocope I think it's ok
2017-05-07T01:35:47 < invzim> I'm pulling it out a little, but I dont' think it's needed
2017-05-07T01:36:08 < invzim> key is that the cap is beneath, so there won't be any soldermask sliver issues exposing the drill
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2017-05-07T02:29:54 < Prutheus> Hello! I wanna write data to flash and read it out later. for this, i am writing data to flash via: https://ghostbin.com/paste/s53jg    so, when len has a special value, the data at adress XXX should get written to 0x1, at an other magic number, it should turn 0x0 .... my led should indicate the current value at the address. but my led is always on, doesn't matter which value len has to write to flash
2017-05-07T02:30:00 < Prutheus> ... why?
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2017-05-07T02:47:26 < aandrew> Prutheus: what have you tried to debug it?
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2017-05-07T03:22:33 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O01hZ6-Iv00 they make even better advertisements in finland than finnish ads are
2017-05-07T03:26:29 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/qFj9hBv
2017-05-07T03:28:20 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/1rrZtPY.gifv
2017-05-07T04:07:45 < jadew> Laurenceb, that's gotta be trolling
2017-05-07T04:10:40 < branjb> lol
2017-05-07T04:13:42 < jadew> Laurenceb: http://i.imgur.com/Q8jfl.jpg
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2017-05-07T05:02:38 < branjb> R2COM
2017-05-07T05:04:50 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/FeL81Wa.jpg
2017-05-07T05:05:02 < branjb> i think R2COM still has me on ignore
2017-05-07T05:05:58 < branjb> go is a meme language
2017-05-07T05:23:11 < branjb> anyone used PSOCs?
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2017-05-07T07:12:03 < dongs> yes, and my advice to you: don't
2017-05-07T07:18:25 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-05-07T07:18:55 < emeb_mac> PSoCs aren't *so* bad
2017-05-07T07:19:02 < emeb_mac> but they're not "all that" either
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2017-05-07T07:53:13 < englishman> branjb: go is a far better meme language than psoc is a microcontroller
2017-05-07T07:53:26 < englishman> pretty much everything from cypress is crap
2017-05-07T07:53:55 < dongs> more like go fuck yourself
2017-05-07T07:54:05 < dongs> can you compile "go" with keil? no? thats what a I thought. thank you.
2017-05-07T07:54:22 < englishman> wut
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2017-05-07T07:54:46 < dongs> go is about as useful as rust
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2017-05-07T07:55:09 < englishman> dono what rust is, but go is pretty fun
2017-05-07T07:55:21 < dongs> < dongs> can you compile "go" with keil? no?
2017-05-07T07:56:25 < englishman> does keil do x86?
2017-05-07T07:56:35 < dongs> i thought you were using it on embedded
2017-05-07T07:56:40 < englishman> wat
2017-05-07T07:56:48 < dongs> shrugging
2017-05-07T07:57:46 < englishman> lil ninjadongs where you least expect http://i.imgur.com/mrDxl69.jpg
2017-05-07T07:59:33 < dongs> haha
2017-05-07T08:10:29 < englishman> also http://www.myrcmart.com/f7-flight-controller-for-fpv-racing-stm32f745-100lqfp-216mhz-mpu6000-spi-support-betaflight-p-11202.html
2017-05-07T08:27:38 < dongs> retards gonna retard
2017-05-07T08:30:40 < dongs> i gained 3 new followers on my twatter acccount wat
2017-05-07T08:30:49 < dongs> either that or twatter is trolling me with retarded notification email
2017-05-07T08:31:04 < dongs> cuz t hose people look like the ones that ive seen before
2017-05-07T08:59:27 < jadew> man... opensource code is the worst
2017-05-07T08:59:38 < jadew> I keep having to fiddle with various plugins that don't behave properly
2017-05-07T08:59:48 < jadew> and I have yet to find a single fucking comment
2017-05-07T09:00:02 < dongs> this is why i use keil/vstudio
2017-05-07T09:00:07 < dongs> and not some unprofessional shit like "atom"
2017-05-07T09:00:10 < dongs> written in "javascript"
2017-05-07T09:00:30 < jadew> it's written in coffeescript, which is worse
2017-05-07T09:01:16 < jadew> (it compiles to JS, but has the added downside of a shittier syntax)
2017-05-07T09:01:32 < jadew> and no benefits
2017-05-07T09:04:01 < dongs> i donno why you keep wasting time
2017-05-07T09:06:57 < jadew> I have to use it, the project I'm working on has a website too
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2017-05-07T09:08:20 < jadew> man.. the guy who wrote this fucking extension... ffs
2017-05-07T09:08:37 < jadew> he's removing some spaces from a string using .trimLeft()
2017-05-07T09:08:51 < jadew> then, in order to know how many he removed
2017-05-07T09:09:06 < jadew> he searches for the resulting string, in the original string
2017-05-07T09:09:14 < jadew> wtf...
2017-05-07T09:09:26 < jadew> when org.length - res.length would have sufficed
2017-05-07T09:09:44 < dongs> javascript. not even once
2017-05-07T09:09:54 < jadew> and then assumes those characters are all spaces, so he adds spaces
2017-05-07T09:18:53 < mtbg> I don't think this has much to do with open source
2017-05-07T09:19:10 < dongs> oh it very much does
2017-05-07T09:19:16 < mtbg> there are many commercial programmers which write similar crap
2017-05-07T09:19:19 < dongs> opensores promotes dumbfuck coding
2017-05-07T09:20:31 < mtbg> most of these are people who don't like programming, but they chosen the market because of huge demand and possibly high salaries
2017-05-07T09:22:22 < mtbg> so they write something that works in general cases, but is not the solution for the problem
2017-05-07T09:22:37 < mtbg> is inefficient and buggy, but doesn't require much coding
2017-05-07T09:23:04 < mtbg> since uses some built-in mechanism which happens to fit the most obvious case
2017-05-07T09:23:42 < mtbg> as in using regex or split, instead of proper tokenization
2017-05-07T09:23:45 < mtbg> for example
2017-05-07T09:27:31 < upgrdman> split as in break apart string at every $char ?
2017-05-07T09:27:41 < mtbg> yes
2017-05-07T09:27:52 < upgrdman> whats wrong with that, if your delimited is a specific char?
2017-05-07T09:28:33 < mtbg> you get empty tokens when you have multiple delimiters
2017-05-07T09:28:44 < mtbg> one after another
2017-05-07T09:29:00 < upgrdman> makes sense, no?
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2017-05-07T09:29:11 < upgrdman> if nothing between delimiters, the token si empty
2017-05-07T09:29:50 < upgrdman> like a CSV of:  foo,bar,,faggot .... column 2 is null
2017-05-07T09:30:17 < upgrdman> or empty, depending on context
2017-05-07T09:30:26 < mtbg> in some cases, but the things I'm mentioning are meant to be properly tokenized, since are defined as words separated by whitespaces
2017-05-07T09:30:36 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-07T09:30:46 < mtbg> there obviously are cases that you should use split for
2017-05-07T09:30:56 < mtbg> but there are people
2017-05-07T09:31:07 < mtbg> who use split instead of proper parsing
2017-05-07T09:31:50 < mtbg> because for example some device separates words by exactly one space and then it happens to work
2017-05-07T09:32:38 < upgrdman> oh ya ok, i can see bitching about fragile code
2017-05-07T09:35:39 < mtbg> or st device libraries
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2017-05-07T09:36:07 < mtbg> are also the case of crappy commercial code
2017-05-07T09:36:26 < mtbg> the still can't handle multiple of max packet size transfers
2017-05-07T09:36:44 < mtbg> in their usb device libraries
2017-05-07T09:36:45 < dongs> probably too busy smoking weed
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2017-05-07T09:42:05 < mtbg> as is with stlink, which can't properly send its iSerial and was sold in milions of units with such bug
2017-05-07T09:44:37 < dongs> since it only breaks lunix
2017-05-07T09:44:39 < dongs> nobody gives a fuck
2017-05-07T09:53:35 < englishman> stlink has bugs? could have fooled me
2017-05-07T09:54:08 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro
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2017-05-07T10:21:10 < jadew> mtbg, don't know, my expectations for closed source code are pretty high
2017-05-07T10:21:29 < jadew> that's because all the closed source code that I've seen was pretty high quality
2017-05-07T10:22:01 < jadew> higher than that anyway
2017-05-07T10:34:14 < mtbg> it tends to be more complete
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2017-05-07T11:07:16 < Steffanx> Where is stvvn?
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2017-05-07T11:54:45 < Steffanx> Hows keil crt?
2017-05-07T12:28:52 < PaulFertser> crt: do you only repair shit or also innovate some custom solutions?
2017-05-07T12:37:12 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOace7hfrYo a link from the Laurenceb category
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2017-05-07T12:49:56 < PaulFertser> It's kind of strange a person that can't say something logical enough for a human to comprehend manages to write software that's compiles and actually runs as intended.
2017-05-07T12:58:37 < Ultrasauce> yeah kinda blows my mind....think he has good days and bad days
2017-05-07T13:06:06 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/2TJaNDBI87s?t=1m
2017-05-07T13:12:12 < Prutheus> Hello! I wanna write data to flash and read it out later. for this, i am writing data to flash via: https://ghostbin.com/paste/s53jg    so, when len has a special value, the data at adress XXX should get written to 0x1, at an other magic number, it should turn 0x0 .... my led should indicate the current value at the address. but my led is always on, doesn't matter which value len has to write to flash
2017-05-07T13:12:18 < Prutheus> ... why?
2017-05-07T13:13:15 < dongs> do you not need to wait for erase/rpgoram operations?
2017-05-07T13:13:18 < dongs> by busywaiting some flag
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2017-05-07T13:31:34 < Steffanx> Damnit Ultrasauce i hoped we were finally free from Terry. :(
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2017-05-07T13:43:42 < mtbg> let's port templeos to stm32
2017-05-07T13:47:09 < jadew> I don't think it's possible
2017-05-07T13:47:48 < jadew> templeos runs on holy water and regular electronics don't really like water at all
2017-05-07T13:47:50 < jadew> holy or not
2017-05-07T13:49:46 < jadew> I started writing an OS too, but I'm now glad I didn't get that project too far
2017-05-07T13:50:39 < jadew> I could have neded up like this guy, or worse like Linus, having to take all that GNU/<My OS> shit from Stallman
2017-05-07T13:50:47 < jadew> *ended
2017-05-07T13:51:34 < jadew> like seriously, he had the audacity to put GNU in front of it
2017-05-07T13:51:54 < dongs> GNU/TempleOS?
2017-05-07T13:51:56 < jadew> a normal person might have suggested adding it at the end
2017-05-07T13:52:34 < jadew> is templeos even opensource
2017-05-07T13:52:46 < mtbg> it's public domain
2017-05-07T13:53:56 < dongs> binary incompatible with life
2017-05-07T13:54:03 < mtbg> it generates messages from god by counting until you press a key
2017-05-07T13:54:04 < jadew> then I'll have to check it out, I heard it keeps files in memory and stuff
2017-05-07T13:54:09 < jadew> I'll tripple boot
2017-05-07T13:54:19 < mtbg> on stm32f4 one may use hardware rng
2017-05-07T13:54:20 < jadew> triple
2017-05-07T13:54:27 < jadew> I'm off to bed
2017-05-07T13:54:30 < jadew> night
2017-05-07T13:54:34 < mtbg> which will generate words that are closer to god himsfelf
2017-05-07T13:54:41 < mtbg> and more pure
2017-05-07T13:55:03 < jadew> if I had templeOS, I could type a command and have the OS send a prayer directly to god on my behalf
2017-05-07T13:55:21 < jadew> since I don't, I'll have to say the prayer mysefl
2017-05-07T13:55:51 < jadew> I assume that's why the OS was created, no?
2017-05-07T13:56:06 < mtbg> possibly
2017-05-07T13:56:17 < mtbg> but I don't know if it is bidirectional
2017-05-07T13:56:29 < jadew> haha
2017-05-07T13:56:37 < jadew> it only has an uplink
2017-05-07T13:57:14 < jadew> night
2017-05-07T13:57:25 < mtbg> sleep well
2017-05-07T13:57:27 < mtbg> :>
2017-05-07T13:57:32 < jadew> thanks
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2017-05-07T14:11:12 < Steffanx> lol what time zone you live nowadays jadew?
2017-05-07T14:22:03 < dongs> timezone of a poor opensores developer fucking with javascript
2017-05-07T14:22:51 < Steffanx> time to get more original dongs.
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2017-05-07T14:25:38 < dongs> well, i've been trying to get at least SOME original dongs but its pretty hard to do
2017-05-07T14:27:54 < Steffanx> After sharing a channel with you for a few years it's all the same :P
2017-05-07T14:32:32 < kakimir> my sleeping went shit
2017-05-07T14:32:47 < kakimir> do not eat a whole pizza at bedtime
2017-05-07T14:39:07 < Prutheus> Hello! I wanna write data to flash and read it out later. for this, i am writing data to flash via: https://ghostbin.com/paste/s53jg    so, when len has a special value, the data at adress XXX should get written to 0x1, at an other magic number, it should turn 0x0 .... my led should indicate the current value at the address. but my led is always on, doesn't matter which value len has to write to flash
2017-05-07T14:39:13 < Prutheus> ... why?
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2017-05-07T14:47:18 < Steffanx> Prutheus, it writes 0x01 in both cases.. ?1
2017-05-07T14:47:31 < Steffanx> And stop to repeat the same question 3 times please :(
2017-05-07T15:01:31 < kakimir> is there a flux that smells like fish oil?
2017-05-07T15:02:18 < kakimir> I'm repairing some connections in industrial control remote to some amphenol 62G mil connector
2017-05-07T15:03:04 < kakimir> "yeah that is the carcinogenic type of flux"
2017-05-07T15:05:40 < kakimir> "industrial super shit. do not breathe in"
2017-05-07T15:19:31 < Steffanx> Im glad you enjoyed the dutch commercial kakimir :)
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2017-05-07T15:55:31 < Prutheus> Steffanx: i dont know, the led is always on
2017-05-07T16:03:04 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debugging
2017-05-07T16:09:16 < Prutheus> Thorn: for me it is very difficulty to debug this, I thought you all could help me easily
2017-05-07T16:09:56 < Thorn> even if you simply step through the lines in a debugger it may tell you something (it works -> you need delays in code)
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2017-05-07T17:00:43 < kakimir> ordered some premium latex rubber
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2017-05-07T17:00:54 < Steffanx> Black glossy?
2017-05-07T17:01:24 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/272544191419
2017-05-07T17:01:40 < kakimir> secs gloves
2017-05-07T17:01:40 < Prutheus> Thorn: what for delays do i need?
2017-05-07T17:02:22 < Steffanx> Not something i would use without a proper test first kakimir.
2017-05-07T17:02:37 < Steffanx> I dont trust china-ebay THAT much.
2017-05-07T17:03:37 < Steffanx> Prutheus, he meant you should debug. When it suddenly works it can mean you need some delays etc. (or need to write code more properly). It was an example.
2017-05-07T17:04:59 < Steffanx> You should really invest some time into debugging.
2017-05-07T17:05:40 < kakimir> looking good
2017-05-07T17:05:45 < kakimir> dimensions are good
2017-05-07T17:06:07 < kakimir> price matches to supposed quality
2017-05-07T17:06:14 < kakimir> *assumed
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2017-05-07T17:07:43 < Steffanx> but it can just as well be some batch which didnt pass the quality check, kakimir.
2017-05-07T17:08:29 < Thorn> kakimir: something to complement your purchase https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-heavy-latex-suit.html
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2017-05-07T17:18:36 < kakimir> hmmm
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2017-05-07T17:37:25 < kakimir> I think I need tool for these mil connector pins
2017-05-07T17:53:17 < englishman> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/8dYxKvu.jpg
2017-05-07T17:54:13 < Steffanx> Goose wrapped in bacon?
2017-05-07T17:59:17 < englishman> yes
2017-05-07T18:01:18 < Steffanx> Looks good :P
2017-05-07T18:01:43 < Steffanx> Maybe a slightly bit undercooked/baked for my taste.
2017-05-07T18:04:02 < englishman> it was good :)
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2017-05-07T18:15:13 < branjb> who was telling me about using excel to build schematic symbols for altium?
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2017-05-07T18:18:08 < branjb> dongs
2017-05-07T18:50:53 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/AdorableClassicCock
2017-05-07T18:55:09 < mtbg>  looks like cat to me
2017-05-07T18:56:32 < mtbg> ok, definately a cock
2017-05-07T18:57:02 < englishman> an adorable classic cock
2017-05-07T18:57:30 < Prutheus> Steffanx: but what should i look for if i debug it
2017-05-07T18:58:03 < mtbg> Prutheus: you got the answer
2017-05-07T18:58:12 < mtbg> 13:47 < Steffanx> Prutheus, it writes 0x01 in both cases.. ?1
2017-05-07T18:58:24 < mtbg> you copied the code and not changed the value
2017-05-07T18:59:04 < mtbg> that it passes to FLASH_ProgramWord
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2017-05-07T19:07:53 < Prutheus> I have looked at the address where i write to flash (0x080077E2) via gdb: »x/x 0x080077E2« it is always 0x000000000 why?
2017-05-07T19:09:07 < Prutheus> but writing works, if I put it to 1 be default, it is 1
2017-05-07T19:09:37 < mtbg> is your led on or off?
2017-05-07T19:10:23 < mtbg> and is it connected between the pin and GND, or the pin and VDD?
2017-05-07T19:19:49 < Prutheus> led is connected correctly, it is off with this code: https://ghostbin.com/paste/gx5me   and if i put the code commented at line 1-5 into the code, the "inital" value at this flash address is 0x1, then the eld turns on.... so hm....
2017-05-07T19:21:05 < englishman> dude can you read the question before answerinig
2017-05-07T19:22:49 < Steffanx> nein.
2017-05-07T19:24:00 < Prutheus> what? wtf
2017-05-07T19:24:23 < englishman>  <mtbg> and is it connected between the pin and GND, or the pin and VDD?
2017-05-07T19:24:31 < englishman> Prutheus> led is connected correctly
2017-05-07T19:26:57 < Prutheus> is is connected so it is lightne up . .. how doesnt matter when i verify that i have set up the led correctly!
2017-05-07T19:27:19 < Prutheus> writing works .... maybe i read it out wrongly?
2017-05-07T19:28:06 < Steffanx> Prutheus are you the same guy that wanted to do assembly on stm32?
2017-05-07T19:29:00 < englishman> address where i write to flash (0x080077E2)
2017-05-07T19:29:15 < englishman> can you erase a page with an address like that? or does it have to be at beginning of page
2017-05-07T19:29:21 < englishman> which chip is this anyway
2017-05-07T19:30:14 < Prutheus> englishman: it is a stm32f103c8t6, and 1 page is 1023 in dec, so e.g. 0x0800C7CE should be the start of page 50 or?
2017-05-07T19:32:05 < englishman> wat
2017-05-07T19:32:37 < Prutheus> huh?
2017-05-07T19:33:02 < englishman> what on earth are you talking about.
2017-05-07T19:33:25 < englishman> oh, do you work at cypress?
2017-05-07T19:35:09 < mtbg> also
2017-05-07T19:35:25 < mtbg> since programming can only change ones to zeros
2017-05-07T19:35:33 < Prutheus> the address, page 0 is at 0x0800 0000, page one at 0x0800 0000 + 1023dec =  OOOOHHHH wait
2017-05-07T19:35:34 < mtbg> and erasing sets all bits to one
2017-05-07T19:35:40 < Prutheus> i found a possibly mistake
2017-05-07T19:35:48 < Prutheus> let me check sth
2017-05-07T19:35:52 < mtbg> that erase page you have before writing 0x0
2017-05-07T19:36:05 < Prutheus> erase writes 1 erverywhere?
2017-05-07T19:36:07 < mtbg> makes less sense
2017-05-07T19:36:15 < mtbg> than before writing 0x1
2017-05-07T19:36:33 < mtbg> which you don't have :>
2017-05-07T19:37:40 < Steffanx> a page size of 1023 sounds weird Prutheus.
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2017-05-07T20:00:42 < kakimir> getting satisfaction for installing latest windows updates
2017-05-07T20:01:35 < kakimir> more so if there is reboot involved
2017-05-07T20:02:37 < kakimir> the wait
2017-05-07T20:05:36 < Steffanx> is it this easy to make you happy kakimir?
2017-05-07T20:18:59 < kakimir> no
2017-05-07T20:19:11 < kakimir> I didn't speak about happiness
2017-05-07T20:20:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTUxUbU9YclJkX2s/view?usp=sharing innovation got real
2017-05-07T20:20:26 < kakimir> when you need it - you need it
2017-05-07T20:21:09 < kakimir> empty plastic from wire and strap it on spike of the test lead then start poking things
2017-05-07T20:23:34 < Steffanx> More Dopamine  for kakimir :)
2017-05-07T20:23:56 < kakimir> realised some female pin would not be good solution connected right to test probe
2017-05-07T20:24:31 < kakimir> there is lever to bend and break the pin
2017-05-07T20:24:48 < kakimir> it needs to have some flexible mid part
2017-05-07T20:25:09 < kakimir> prefferably some spring that resets itself
2017-05-07T20:41:52 < kakimir> talking about spring http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/weather/kuopio/konttim%C3%A4ki
2017-05-07T20:42:04 < kakimir> ice age confirmed
2017-05-07T20:42:33 < kakimir> welcome global climate warming
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2017-05-07T20:44:00 < Steffanx> is there still snow in finnishland kakimir? Where you live that is
2017-05-07T20:45:35 < kakimir> some
2017-05-07T20:45:40 < kakimir> partial
2017-05-07T20:46:00 < kakimir> shadow places and buildup places
2017-05-07T20:46:27 < Steffanx> And still ice, so you still use your ice glider?
2017-05-07T20:46:33 < kakimir> you are doing lawn mowing already Steffanx ?
2017-05-07T20:46:46 < kakimir> and smelling the flowers of the summer
2017-05-07T20:46:50 < Steffanx> no, not really.
2017-05-07T20:48:54 < kakimir> Steffanx: ice goes soft shit and stays shit so you can only 1) move by foot 2) avoid drowning 3) drown
2017-05-07T20:50:09 < Steffanx> ice melted that fast?
2017-05-07T20:50:19 < kakimir> and drunk certainly going to drown but actually survive it like my friend had done in sauna party yesterday or so
2017-05-07T20:51:20 < Steffanx> Sauna part \o/
2017-05-07T20:51:23 < Steffanx> party
2017-05-07T20:51:31 < kakimir> had 20cm cuts in his stomach from trying to pull himself up - naked of course
2017-05-07T20:52:13 < Steffanx> Sounds like an average finland sauna party.
2017-05-07T20:52:23 < kakimir> but he had had some medical beers beforehand for pain killing and courage
2017-05-07T20:54:58 < kakimir> Steffanx: there is always one dude that wants to show "sisu" by hammering weak ice with axe
2017-05-07T20:55:00 < Steffanx> I better didnt have that medical beer. Now he didnt feel enough so he wil ldo it again.
2017-05-07T20:55:07 < Steffanx> *he
2017-05-07T20:55:20 < Steffanx> not sure why i wrote "I".
2017-05-07T20:55:46 < kakimir> subconscious
2017-05-07T20:55:54 < kakimir> freudian slip
2017-05-07T20:56:29 < kakimir> you are the "that dude"
2017-05-07T20:56:40 < Steffanx> gladly im not from finlan
2017-05-07T20:56:41 < Steffanx> d
2017-05-07T21:02:34 < Steffanx> Hello R2COM. How is your day today?
2017-05-07T21:03:09 < Steffanx> Did good work for Save-a-russian.com yet?
2017-05-07T21:04:40 < Steffanx> At least listen to this nice song from your russian friends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQl6Qmqu0Fk
2017-05-07T21:06:34 < Thorn> sounds like a remix of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_(band)
2017-05-07T21:07:02 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD_93I5Zu68
2017-05-07T21:07:42 < Steffanx> wikipedia says it is Thorn
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2017-05-07T21:30:49 < Steffanx> I prefer to play insurgency with your russian friends R2COM. They tend to be less childish
2017-05-07T21:31:15 < upgrdman> because china  https://gfycat.com/AcrobaticEvenGavial
2017-05-07T21:31:36 < branjb> what did i just look at
2017-05-07T21:31:54 < branjb> real life goa'uld?
2017-05-07T21:33:56 < mtbg> why does he keep putting it back?
2017-05-07T21:34:47 < upgrdman> branjb, supposedly an eel being removed from an asshole
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2017-05-07T21:51:37 < Steffanx> nice remedy for constipation.
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2017-05-07T22:01:47 < Laurenceb_>  ##stm32: eel removed from asshole chan
2017-05-07T22:04:52 < Steffanx> You are our eel, Laurenceb_.
2017-05-07T22:05:09 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-05-07T22:06:57 < Steffanx> No, i meant.. you were inserted and now you have to be removed :P
2017-05-07T22:10:04 < Rob235> do most people use madgwick ahrs for uavs?
2017-05-07T22:13:07 < Steffanx> kalman?
2017-05-07T22:13:23 < Rob235> yea
2017-05-07T22:16:35 < Rob235> i gotta read more
2017-05-07T22:16:49 < Rob235> I wonder if I can use this as my capstone project...
2017-05-07T22:16:52 < Rob235> kill two birds with one stone
2017-05-07T22:18:41 < Prutheus> Steffanx: so one page is 1023 bytes big at stm32f103c8t6
2017-05-07T22:19:55 < Prutheus> no, found my mistake!
2017-05-07T22:22:11 < Steffanx> ...
2017-05-07T22:23:43 < mtbg> not erasing the page before writing 0x1
2017-05-07T22:23:44 < mtbg> ?
2017-05-07T22:25:46 < Steffanx> Im still curious when 1k became 1023.
2017-05-07T22:26:03 < Steffanx> *1KByte
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2017-05-07T22:26:20 < Prutheus> yeah i entered all time a wrong number into my calcualtor, sry
2017-05-07T22:26:33 < Prutheus> now, erasing the bit, setting it to 0x0 in flash works, but setting again doesnt work
2017-05-07T22:26:35 < branjb> prob when 2^10 started equalling 1024-1
2017-05-07T22:27:12 < branjb> lepen concedes
2017-05-07T22:27:13 < Prutheus> ill explain later, brb
2017-05-07T22:27:14 < branjb> RIP france
2017-05-07T22:27:30 < Steffanx> Do you erase before setting it to 0x01 "again" Prutheus?
2017-05-07T22:29:06 < Steffanx> branjb, im not sure who was the worst of them both.
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2017-05-07T22:29:24 < branjb> macaroni
2017-05-07T22:29:34 < Steffanx> Not convinced.
2017-05-07T22:29:49 < Steffanx> And this is France, not italy.
2017-05-07T22:29:50 < branjb> with his 120 year old wife
2017-05-07T22:30:15 < englishman> this is France, everyone is terrible
2017-05-07T22:30:30 < branjb> ^
2017-05-07T22:30:40 < Steffanx> englishman is more french then he wants to admit?
2017-05-07T22:30:54 < englishman> plz
2017-05-07T22:30:55 < branjb> i'm le tired
2017-05-07T22:31:22 < englishman> from doing nothing all day
2017-05-07T22:33:42 < Steffanx> From retiring at 50 years.
2017-05-07T22:33:51 < Steffanx> of doing nothing
2017-05-07T22:36:32 < mtbg> le pen still acted a class or two better than other regressive populists
2017-05-07T22:37:50 < Steffanx> populist.. that term should be forbidden. It has such negative load.
2017-05-07T22:37:51 < mtbg> accepting the new president, congratulating him and not making up conspiracy theories
2017-05-07T22:37:55 < mtbg> about evil elites
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2017-05-07T22:46:02 < Steffanx> this is how it ended up there upgrdman: http://imgur.com/gallery/ZNYDA
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2017-05-07T22:46:55 < Thorn> bluetooth 4.2 core spec: 2800 pages ok
2017-05-07T22:47:24 < Steffanx> Better read 5 specs to be more up to date.
2017-05-07T22:47:58 < mtbg> unless you are implementing a bluetooth chip
2017-05-07T22:48:06 < mtbg> you are not supposed to read it all probably
2017-05-07T22:49:11 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/dxhlk1rIeE8?t=14s
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2017-05-07T22:55:45 < upgrdman> Steffanx, lol
2017-05-07T23:00:14 < Thorn> I can finally use both IN and OUT endpoints with the same number (with the new driver)
2017-05-07T23:01:47 < mtbg> f4?
2017-05-07T23:02:38 < Thorn> tested on f4 and f7. I also have an old f107 board, too lazy to test there
2017-05-07T23:03:08 < mtbg> so the st drivers are even shittier than I thought they are
2017-05-07T23:03:37 < Thorn> I had lockups with stdperiph drivers (before HAL)
2017-05-07T23:06:00 < Thorn> never tested HAL drivers
2017-05-07T23:06:06 < mtbg>       bInterfaceClass         2 Communications
2017-05-07T23:06:06 < mtbg>       bInterfaceSubClass      6 Ethernet Networking
2017-05-07T23:06:15 < mtbg>         bEndpointAddress     0x02  EP 2 OUT
2017-05-07T23:06:20 < mtbg>         bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
2017-05-07T23:06:26 < mtbg> f407
2017-05-07T23:06:32 < mtbg> and works perfectly well
2017-05-07T23:06:54 < mtbg> as it should
2017-05-07T23:07:17 < mtbg> given that synopsys dwc otg driver has completely independent in and out endpoints
2017-05-07T23:07:22 < Thorn> it was an architecture problem with my driver specifically
2017-05-07T23:07:29 < mtbg> each with its own enable, nak, etc
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2017-05-07T23:14:09 < Thorn> 3 pairs of endpoints is an absolute disgrace
2017-05-07T23:14:37 < mtbg> what are the interfaces?
2017-05-07T23:15:02 < mtbg> and hs or fs?
2017-05-07T23:16:03 < Thorn> dwc_otg fs only has 3 pairs of EPs not counting EP0 except on F7 where it has 5 pairs
2017-05-07T23:16:18 < mtbg> ah ok
2017-05-07T23:16:36 < Thorn> that includes f401/11/etc where it's the only usb core available
2017-05-07T23:18:05 < Thorn> other implementations do not limit the number of EPs because they don't have EP-specific registers or fifos
2017-05-07T23:18:18 < mtbg> on f407 the otg_hs interface has 5/5
2017-05-07T23:18:30 < mtbg> and you can use it as fs
2017-05-07T23:18:43 < Thorn> yes HS has 5 pairs in F4 and 8 pairs in F7
2017-05-07T23:19:05 < mtbg> with built in phy even
2017-05-07T23:19:24 < mtbg> so no reason to use otg_fs unless you need two usb interfaces
2017-05-07T23:19:55 < Thorn> discovery boards except high end ones only have FS implemented
2017-05-07T23:20:22 < zyp> Thorn, three pairs are plenty for anything but complex composite devices
2017-05-07T23:22:35 < kakimir> anyone know intel turbo frequency mechanism for delays between turbo boosts?
2017-05-07T23:23:23 < upgrdman> whats an endpoint?
2017-05-07T23:23:29 < upgrdman> is that like a device?
2017-05-07T23:23:38 < mtbg> it is like a buffer
2017-05-07T23:23:50 < upgrdman> so why need >2 ?
2017-05-07T23:24:27 < mtbg> for simple virtual com (cdc acm) you need two or three
2017-05-07T23:24:39 < Thorn> it's like a TCP port
2017-05-07T23:24:45 < mtbg> data input, data output and possibly a notification
2017-05-07T23:25:04 < Thorn> normally there is one per application
2017-05-07T23:25:12 < Thorn> at least
2017-05-07T23:26:27 < mtbg> cdc ether is pretty much the same
2017-05-07T23:26:47 < upgrdman> ah ok
2017-05-07T23:26:50 < mtbg> except it doesn't purge framing information from hardware transfers
2017-05-07T23:36:29 < zyp> mtbg, ECM or EEM?
2017-05-07T23:36:45 < zyp> there's at least four standards for ethernet over usb now
2017-05-07T23:36:58 < karlp> NDIS, ECM, EEM andwhat?
2017-05-07T23:36:59 < zyp> NDIS, CDC EEM, CDC ECM, CDC NCM
2017-05-07T23:37:18 < zyp> NCM is the newest highperf thing
2017-05-07T23:37:32 < zyp> at STE we ran CAIF over NCM over HSIC
2017-05-07T23:37:39 < karlp> what's caif?
2017-05-07T23:37:51 < zyp> STE mux layer
2017-05-07T23:38:40 < zyp> splits stuff into multiple channels, so there were a plain ethernet channels, some AT command channels, and some other utility stuff for management IIRC
2017-05-07T23:39:33 < Thorn> now where do I put the 'send ZLP if last packet is full' flag in my API
2017-05-07T23:39:54 < Thorn> another argument for TxTransfer.init()?
2017-05-07T23:43:03 < zyp> probably
2017-05-07T23:43:11 < zyp> just make it a flags argument?
2017-05-07T23:43:19 < zyp> IIRC libusb has it as a transfer flag
2017-05-07T23:43:40 < Thorn> my transfer classes are pretty large already https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/blob/master/include/usb/transfers.h#L110
2017-05-07T23:44:03 < Thorn> 5 words + vtable ptr
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2017-05-07T23:45:00 < zyp> I wonder when I'll find time to update my API to support transfers in a sane way
2017-05-07T23:45:06 < zyp> maybe I should just steal your code
2017-05-07T23:45:25 < englishman> Steffanx> populist.. that term should be forbidden. It has such negative load.
2017-05-07T23:45:27 < Thorn> I have some "unit tests" that I have not yet committed btw
2017-05-07T23:45:28 < englishman> kind of like
2017-05-07T23:45:31 < englishman> millennial
2017-05-07T23:45:39 < zyp> today I've literally been spinning a pencil over USB
2017-05-07T23:45:40 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rIH6Z.jpg
2017-05-07T23:45:46 < Thorn> and planning example projects for a few discovery boards
2017-05-07T23:46:44 < upgrdman> Rob235, re: madgwick, i used it for my balancing robot. worked perfect.
2017-05-07T23:46:53 < Thorn> why those enormous screw terminals
2017-05-07T23:46:55 < upgrdman> i have a vid on it if you want to hear my drone on for way too long
2017-05-07T23:47:22 < zyp> my motion blocks are going to be way larger than 64B, so a sane way for handling transfers would be neat
2017-05-07T23:47:26 < englishman> cool zyp, what is it for
2017-05-07T23:47:34 < zyp> 3d printer shit
2017-05-07T23:47:41 < englishman> ahhh.
2017-05-07T23:48:00 < zyp> Thorn, it's for a couple hundred watts of heaters
2017-05-07T23:48:30 < Thorn> what does it use to switch that?
2017-05-07T23:48:51 < zyp> mosfets on low side
2017-05-07T23:52:04 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/5a/a9/68/be/e2/31/40/b2/DM00086778.pdf/files/DM00086778.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00086778.pdf <- this shit on the high current ones
2017-05-07T23:53:19 < jadew> zyp, why is that power supply tucked away in there?
2017-05-07T23:53:41 < zyp> what power supply?
2017-05-07T23:53:46 < jadew> the korad/tenma
2017-05-07T23:54:09 < zyp> oh, I used it to power some stuff and I have outlets in that corner
2017-05-07T23:54:42 < jadew> ah, thought you kept instruments away and only bring them out when you need them
2017-05-07T23:55:11 < zyp> I just unpacked it from the moving box because I needed it and that was the closest outlet I had
2017-05-07T23:55:29 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/f7rG4.jpg <- it's powering the blower fan that I put on the 3d printer
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2017-05-07T23:56:06 < zyp> I had to turn it down to like 4.5V otherwise it cools the hotend so much that it can't maintain the proper temperature to extrude :p
2017-05-07T23:56:34 < jadew> heh
2017-05-07T23:56:52 < jadew> what happens if you don't cool it?
2017-05-07T23:57:03 < jadew> it doesn't have enough structural integrity?
2017-05-07T23:57:11 < jadew> (the thing you're printing)
2017-05-07T23:57:56 < englishman> with PLA it stays smoogy too long and sags
2017-05-07T23:58:18 < englishman> or can get stringy
2017-05-07T23:58:35 < englishman> http://bukobot.com/_media/cooling_fan_1.jpg?w=600&tok=065fb9
2017-05-07T23:58:55 < englishman> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7LVu3Ir10UQ/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-05-07T23:59:40 < zyp> I had edges curling up, and later the head ran into them and ripped the part off the bed
--- Day changed Mon May 08 2017
2017-05-08T00:00:24 < zyp> I tried printing a duct for a random 40mm fan first
2017-05-08T00:00:25 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/fTUyq.jpg
2017-05-08T00:00:39 < zyp> but it didn't move much air, so it didn't make much of a difference
2017-05-08T00:00:49 < englishman> yeah, those fans don't make much pressure
2017-05-08T00:00:55 < englishman> so any restriction and no more air flows
2017-05-08T00:00:55 < zyp> so I went out and got the fan from an old 1U server
2017-05-08T00:01:32 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/wkA7r.png <- and this happened the first time I tried that
2017-05-08T00:03:07 < upgrdman> are you 3d printing for fun, or work stuff?
2017-05-08T00:03:24 < zyp> just fun, it's a kit I bought six years ago but never assembled
2017-05-08T00:03:43 < zyp> couple of my friends just bought some stuff, and they got me back into it
2017-05-08T00:03:51 < upgrdman> cool
2017-05-08T00:04:11 < zyp> so I bought a new decent hotend and extruder and made this shit work
2017-05-08T00:04:35 < zyp> and now I'm waiting for parts to build a corexy printer, the build volume in this one is way too small :p
2017-05-08T00:04:48 < upgrdman> corexy?
2017-05-08T00:04:54 < upgrdman> is that a type of motion
2017-05-08T00:04:59 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-08T00:05:07  * upgrdman googles
2017-05-08T00:05:21 < zyp> dual belts for x/y, both motors stationary
2017-05-08T00:06:20 < zyp> and bed only moves in z, so it has a pretty efficient footprint, vs a prusa-style printer
2017-05-08T00:07:20 < upgrdman> ya looks neat  http://corexy.com/theory.html
2017-05-08T00:07:51 < zyp> there's a bunch of popular designs built on it
2017-05-08T00:08:01 < zyp> https://github.com/mzbotreprap/VORON <- I like this, but I'm gonna do my own take on it
2017-05-08T00:08:21 < jadew> what's a good/cheap 3d printer these days? last I looked into them, makerbot 2 was coming out
2017-05-08T00:08:48 < zyp> according to what I read, monoprice has good cheap stuff
2017-05-08T00:09:08 < zyp> my friends bought prusa i3 MK2S, which seems pretty decent, but it's $600 or something
2017-05-08T00:09:54 < jadew> hmm, ~300, not bad
2017-05-08T00:11:13 < zyp> https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/62sv73/april_3d_printer_purchase_discussion_thread_what/dfpa707/ <- this seems like a fairly good overview
2017-05-08T00:11:38 < zyp> oh, the MK2S is $700 apparently
2017-05-08T00:12:21 < jadew> looks good tho
2017-05-08T00:12:40 < Prutheus> Steffanx: still here?
2017-05-08T00:12:52 < zyp> yeah, I've seen some of the stuff from my friend's printer
2017-05-08T00:15:12 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispolAHB4jA
2017-05-08T00:15:23 < jadew> amazing for $200
2017-05-08T00:20:08 < upgrdman> damn, usb hdds keep getting cheaper. 8tb usb3 is $180 now
2017-05-08T00:20:18 < upgrdman> why even both emptying the recycle bin now
2017-05-08T00:20:25 < upgrdman> bother*
2017-05-08T00:20:33 < jadew> and it lasts for about a year
2017-05-08T00:21:00 < zyp> usb hdds are just sata hdds with a usb bridge
2017-05-08T00:22:07 < jadew> I wonder if there was every someone on this channel who didn't know that
2017-05-08T00:22:11 < jadew> *ever
2017-05-08T00:22:33 < zyp> idk, I just think it's weird to specify usb hdds
2017-05-08T00:22:38 < zyp> hdds are hdds
2017-05-08T00:22:50 < jadew> ah, true
2017-05-08T00:23:08 < jadew> the prices are going down as usual I guess
2017-05-08T00:23:17 < zyp> and unless you actually need it to be portable, I find usb hdds fairly inconvenient
2017-05-08T00:23:18 < jadew> but they're getting less reliable
2017-05-08T00:23:38 < karlp> are they?
2017-05-08T00:23:46 < zyp> that's natural given that the bits are getting smaller, physically
2017-05-08T00:23:53 < jadew> yeah, they're not good for that, mainly because they're HDDs and they're easy to break
2017-05-08T00:24:04 < upgrdman> zyp, well i know that but external can be more convenient, and usb3 is faster than HDDs so ~no drawback unless you need super low latency.
2017-05-08T00:24:56 < zyp> it's just the having extra shit with usb and power cables on your desk
2017-05-08T00:25:02 < zyp> I have enough shit already
2017-05-08T00:25:10 < upgrdman> fair enough
2017-05-08T00:25:26 < jadew> I have an external HDD, but it's hooked to the NSA
2017-05-08T00:25:31 < zyp> I prefer keeping all my bulk storage hard drives in a box somewhere on my network
2017-05-08T00:25:44 < jadew> basically just as an extension
2017-05-08T00:25:56 < zyp> if I were less technically inclined, I'd buy some multi-bay NAS box that did everything for me
2017-05-08T00:26:16 < karlp> "NAS"
2017-05-08T00:26:27 < upgrdman> windows file chooser defualts to selected the entire file name (including the extension) ... any way to make it not select the extension by default? or is there a hotkey to select-all-except-extension?
2017-05-08T00:26:30  * karlp just puts a single usb hdd on a little computer thingy
2017-05-08T00:26:48 < karlp> redundancy by having it in two places, not one place with two drives.
2017-05-08T00:27:18 < upgrdman> also unless you have 10Gb ethernet, NAS will be slow as fuck
2017-05-08T00:27:33 < zyp> upgrdman, who doesn't have 10Gb ethernet? ;)
2017-05-08T00:27:37 < upgrdman> :)
2017-05-08T00:27:51 < zyp> well, it's not like 130MB/s is _that_ slow
2017-05-08T00:28:04 < jadew> is it NAS or NSA?
2017-05-08T00:28:14 < zyp> or 121 or whatever the practical limit on gigabit was
2017-05-08T00:28:22 < jadew> mine identifies itself as NSA
2017-05-08T00:28:34 < upgrdman> i have a GigE "NAS" and real world speed was ~95MBps
2017-05-08T00:28:55 < upgrdman> but pulled the HDDs and used a USB bridge, and it could do >160MBps
2017-05-08T00:29:06 < upgrdman> s/have/had
2017-05-08T00:29:19  * karlp doesn't even gig ethernet.
2017-05-08T00:29:38 < sync> went straight to 10G?
2017-05-08T00:29:46 < zyp> I haven't benchmarked my shit recently, but it's fast enough that when I'm unzipping huge archives of a few gigs, I just unzip on my desktop computer, pulling the archive one way and storing the extracted files back again
2017-05-08T00:29:50 < karlp> nope. still on 100M
2017-05-08T00:30:06 < zyp> because I'm too lazy to do it locally
2017-05-08T00:30:13 < Prutheus> englishman: are you still here?
2017-05-08T00:30:44 < Steffanx> Wut karlp ?!
2017-05-08T00:31:35 < Prutheus> Steffanx: you remember my problem? i have inserted a while loop now which checks if the status of the flash writing is FLASH_COMPLETE
2017-05-08T00:31:41 < Prutheus> it never gets out of the while loop!
2017-05-08T00:32:35 < upgrdman> Prutheus, what are you trying to do? write a flash page?
2017-05-08T00:32:52 < Prutheus> yes
2017-05-08T00:33:00 < Prutheus> you wanna see my code waht i have done yet?
2017-05-08T00:33:09 < karlp> Steffanx: what wat? internet is only 100M, btoh the wifi and the 100M are fast enough to stream videos to the tv from my computer and my gf's laptop.
2017-05-08T00:33:31 < upgrdman> Prutheus, not really. too lazy. but here's my working code for f0: https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_flash.c?ts=4
2017-05-08T00:33:37 < karlp> wifi router only has 100M, would cost a lot more for one with gigabit.
2017-05-08T00:33:56 < Steffanx> Oh youre all wifi?
2017-05-08T00:35:43 < englishman> was that really deserving of a highlight
2017-05-08T00:35:48 < englishman> i think Prutheus is going on iggy
2017-05-08T00:35:58 < Steffanx> He likes you.
2017-05-08T00:36:19 < Prutheus> <3 xD
2017-05-08T00:36:53 < karlp> no, my pc is on the lan, and 100M has not proven a bottleneck yet
2017-05-08T00:37:45 < Steffanx> But what relatively new hw doesnt do 1G? Your openwrt router/ap/whatever?
2017-05-08T00:38:23 < upgrdman> man my internet is 100Mbps. i dont think i could tolerate a 100Mbps *LAN*
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2017-05-08T00:40:10 < Steffanx> Better go 10g fibre, pretty cheap on ebay upgrdman ;)
2017-05-08T00:40:38 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i wanted a small ITX pc. only one pcie slot, its got my gtx1080
2017-05-08T00:40:55 < Steffanx> Awh
2017-05-08T00:42:36 < upgrdman> node202 case FTW
2017-05-08T00:44:29 < Prutheus> upgrdman: look at my main-while-loop: https://ghostbin.com/paste/q5g97
2017-05-08T00:44:33 < Prutheus> the led never gets on now
2017-05-08T00:46:45 < upgrdman> i think you need to erase the page before writing to it. or at least the bytes you write to be already be 0xFF
2017-05-08T00:51:24 < Prutheus> nope, still get not lightened
2017-05-08T00:52:08 < branjb> is the "No ERC" tool the same as not connected?
2017-05-08T00:56:02 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/8MM0p <- here's how reading some random (uncached) big file from my «NAS» goes
2017-05-08T00:56:44 < zyp> by the way, are single hard drives nowadays even fast enough that gigabit is much of a bottleneck?
2017-05-08T00:57:28 < upgrdman> yes
2017-05-08T00:57:40 < upgrdman> 160MBps is common
2017-05-08T00:57:46 < upgrdman> 200MBps is prolly not that rare
2017-05-08T00:58:00 < upgrdman> for contiguous transfers
2017-05-08T00:58:04 < zyp> the most I've seen a single drive do is 180MB/s and that was on the start of a brand new drive, i.e. outer sectors
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2017-05-08T01:01:13 < Prutheus> upgrdman: any idea now?
2017-05-08T01:02:10 < upgrdman> Prutheus, no idea. good luck. try single stepping with a debugger.
2017-05-08T01:03:13 < Prutheus> upgrdman: what exactly should i debug there?
2017-05-08T01:04:37 < upgrdman> see exactly what the function arguemtns are, and see where exec stops
2017-05-08T01:04:59 < upgrdman> then read the related part of the ref man
2017-05-08T01:05:02 < Prutheus> exec?
2017-05-08T01:05:06 < upgrdman> execution
2017-05-08T01:10:02 < Prutheus> it gets stucked because teh return status of write (with my write, not yours) is FLASH_ERROR_PG ... what is this?
2017-05-08T01:10:22 < upgrdman> no idea. check ref man.
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2017-05-08T01:11:24 < Prutheus> i am using this all the time, can't find an issue ...
2017-05-08T01:15:03 < Prutheus> upgrdman: pls have a look at my code ok?
2017-05-08T01:16:31 < upgrdman> i did. i dont have an answer.
2017-05-08T01:17:23 < Prutheus> https://ghostbin.com/paste/v8pby   but someone needs to know what is going wrong there!
2017-05-08T01:19:40 < Prutheus> could it be possible thta in coorporation with my usb library it is doing some fails?
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2017-05-08T01:22:39 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/05/07/open-source-firmware-for-hoverboards/
2017-05-08T01:22:43 < Laurenceb_> heh F1 based
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2017-05-08T01:23:05 < Prutheus> could someone tell me whe the FLASH_ERROR_PG is raised?
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2017-05-08T01:59:27 < aandrew> fuck altium drives me insane sometimes
2017-05-08T01:59:34 < aandrew> reannotate in pcb, no problem
2017-05-08T01:59:38 < aandrew> update sch .. no problem
2017-05-08T01:59:43 < aandrew> back-annotate, no problem
2017-05-08T01:59:49 < aandrew> recompile, duplicate fucking designators
2017-05-08T02:00:00 < aandrew> I made fucking sure the component links were good beforehand
2017-05-08T02:01:07 < Laurenceb_> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/tutorial-deep-learning-on-drones-part-2-2
2017-05-08T02:01:13 < Laurenceb_> hmm tiem for a killbot
2017-05-08T02:01:23 < Laurenceb_> operation kill all humans
2017-05-08T02:05:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_PMOZ9bBo
2017-05-08T02:05:10 < Laurenceb_> that guy can
2017-05-08T02:10:56 < Laurenceb_> cia
2017-05-08T02:13:21 < Laurenceb_> https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Terry_Davis#Notable_quotes
2017-05-08T02:18:48 < TheSeven> does someone happen to have C code that calculates CRC32 the same way that the hardware does?
2017-05-08T02:20:41 < aandrew> I do
2017-05-08T02:20:47 < aandrew> actually I have python too
2017-05-08T02:20:54 < aandrew> the STM32F2 is screwy
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2017-05-08T02:21:21 < TheSeven> a quick test suggests it matches the "CRC-32/MPEG-2" algorithm on http://crccalc.com/
2017-05-08T02:21:23 < nats`> plop
2017-05-08T02:21:59 < nats`> I have a problem, I'm trying to use the DMA to feed the DAC on a STM32F429 but it only makes 1 transfer and then stop.
2017-05-08T02:22:08 < nats`> (I use the timer 4 to clock the request)
2017-05-08T02:22:23 < aandrew> http://www.chibios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1475
2017-05-08T02:22:25 < aandrew> that's the link I used
2017-05-08T02:22:29 < nats`> (if I activate the timer after activating DMA and DAC it does no transfer)
2017-05-08T02:27:33 < TheSeven> aandrew: that code seems to be for fixing up the STM32 side - I'd rather fix up the PC side if possible
2017-05-08T02:28:24 < TheSeven> (or rather matching what the STM32 does)
2017-05-08T02:30:48 < Laurenceb_> nice http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/b-l475e-iot01a.html?icmp=tt5071_gl_bn_apr2017
2017-05-08T02:30:58 < Laurenceb_> flight controller
2017-05-08T02:31:55 < aandrew> TheSeven: so you want to take the correct implementation and fuck it up to match stm32? heh
2017-05-08T02:32:27 < TheSeven> nah, I want an implementation that matches stm32, not necessarily based on a correct one ;)
2017-05-08T02:42:01 < jadew> lol: this.timeout = 1000; // 1000 ms ~ 1 s
2017-05-08T02:42:39 < jadew> take notes, 1000 ms is aproximately 1 s
2017-05-08T02:46:08 < branjb> return a > b; // returns 1 if a is greater than be ^_^
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2017-05-08T03:47:20 < Laurenceb_> <crt> Laurenceb_: are you ioting
2017-05-08T03:47:23 < Laurenceb_> lulno
2017-05-08T03:47:30 < Laurenceb_> fuck that shit
2017-05-08T03:47:42 < Laurenceb_> 868mhz + imu + baro looks good
2017-05-08T03:51:44 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/vfnLW3u
2017-05-08T03:51:55 < Laurenceb_> as a freethinker I reject iot
2017-05-08T03:54:12 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/kYpVuVe
2017-05-08T03:55:42 < Laurenceb_>  "quite nice apart from the paedophilia, cannibalism and cargo cults"
2017-05-08T03:55:52 < Laurenceb_> wait those are bad things?!
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2017-05-08T03:58:31 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-05-08T04:03:39 < Laurenceb_> Just that everything about Sargon of Akkad seems custom-built to be annoying and supercilious. I bet he even does smug farts.
2017-05-08T04:03:47 < Laurenceb_> the chans are good tonight
2017-05-08T04:09:08 < Laurenceb_> what the... http://imgur.com/32kSK5X
2017-05-08T04:09:32 < Laurenceb_> brexit was a trap
2017-05-08T04:11:35 < Laurenceb_> I've got some tubez
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2017-05-08T04:22:29 < Rob235> if I have a capstone project where I have to pick a topic on how I can contribute to my field or something like that, think I can pick something that exists but I can pretend I dont know about?
2017-05-08T04:23:15 < Rob235> Id like it to be related to my drone so that I can do both at once, I was thinking control system and if its not 20 pages add auto tune shit
2017-05-08T04:25:24 < Rob235> switch from a single pid loop using euler output from sensor to a madgwick filter from raw values and have multiple pid loops
2017-05-08T04:25:39 < Rob235> that should be easy to fill 20 pages
2017-05-08T04:26:01 < Rob235> sweet
2017-05-08T04:26:07 < Rob235> i like it
2017-05-08T04:26:35 < Rob235> and I'll go from 100 hz to like 1000 hz
2017-05-08T04:27:01 < Rob235> and different flight modes will be simple to implement
2017-05-08T04:27:58 < Rob235> already is, I'm using a stm32f407 disco
2017-05-08T04:28:08 < Rob235> oh you mean
2017-05-08T04:28:11 < Rob235> future stuff to make
2017-05-08T04:28:37 < Rob235> I'm not EE I'm comp sci so I doubt i'll get a job in this
2017-05-08T04:28:40 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/7sBdpKQ
2017-05-08T04:31:42 < Laurenceb_> idk either
2017-05-08T04:31:56 < Laurenceb_> who is trolling who...
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2017-05-08T05:12:41 < branjb> there's a group in my class and their capstone project is a drone, they can't even get it to hover
2017-05-08T05:12:50 < branjb> and it's due like last week
2017-05-08T05:12:51 < branjb> haha
2017-05-08T05:18:52 < upgrdman> what class
2017-05-08T05:18:57 < upgrdman> control theory?
2017-05-08T05:19:36 < branjb> no, senior capstone project
2017-05-08T05:20:09 < branjb> they're using an arduino with a raspberry pi or some shit
2017-05-08T05:20:09 < upgrdman> your capstone courses are not specific to a topic? just to the major
2017-05-08T05:20:17 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-08T05:20:32 < branjb> it has to "solve a societel problem"
2017-05-08T05:20:36 < branjb> not sure how a non hovering drone does that
2017-05-08T05:20:40 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-08T05:20:53 < branjb> the state of fresh college grads is sad
2017-05-08T05:21:49 < upgrdman> ya that's how i felt about my CS class
2017-05-08T05:22:01 < upgrdman> "im not sure i would pay half of these fucks even min wage"
2017-05-08T05:23:02 < branjb> i feel like the dude in the movie idiocracy
2017-05-08T05:23:17 < branjb> i think i'm just barely competent enough to get some entry level jobs somewhere
2017-05-08T05:23:25 < branjb> and my classmates think i know way too much
2017-05-08T05:23:47 < upgrdman> are you in an avg school
2017-05-08T05:23:51 < upgrdman> or some poor shit area?
2017-05-08T05:24:01 < branjb> state college
2017-05-08T05:24:17 < branjb> i'd say it's avg to below average
2017-05-08T05:24:19 < upgrdman> ya but theres campuses is fucked areas
2017-05-08T05:24:22 < upgrdman> ok
2017-05-08T05:25:24 < branjb> basically if there's not a prewritten arduino library for something students can't figure out how to use it
2017-05-08T05:26:11 < upgrdman> even the arduino libs are mostly blind-leading-the-blind
2017-05-08T05:27:32 < branjb> i think it's mostly that college kids party/smoke weed/play vidya and don't actually have an interest in electronics/computers
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2017-05-08T05:29:03 < upgrdman> thats an a bachelors is the new high school diploma
2017-05-08T05:29:11 < branjb> ya
2017-05-08T05:29:11 < upgrdman> so everyone feels compelled to go to college
2017-05-08T05:31:12 < branjb> bought a new miter saw to cut aluminum extrusion
2017-05-08T05:31:16 < branjb> so much better than handsaw
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2017-05-08T05:46:49 < upgrdman> i gotta admit, LR is kinda weird, but i find his rant videos intriguing
2017-05-08T05:47:12 < upgrdman> crt, what major?
2017-05-08T05:49:10 < upgrdman> i kinda wish i would have double majored
2017-05-08T05:49:17 < upgrdman> but then it would have taken even longer
2017-05-08T05:58:52 < branjb> are college DSP classes worthless, i'm taking one in the fall
2017-05-08T06:02:23 < upgrdman> if your self-motivated, ~all classes are shit
2017-05-08T06:02:35 < upgrdman> at least sitting in them. watching can be nice.
2017-05-08T06:02:38 < branjb> haha
2017-05-08T06:03:18 < branjb> i only have 2 credits left to graduate, but need to be full time
2017-05-08T06:03:26 < Ultrasauce> classes get pretty good when there are less than 10 people and the prof isnt an idiot
2017-05-08T06:03:46 < branjb> was gonna take 3 bs easy art classes, but at the last minute ended up switching to DSP and two control systems classes
2017-05-08T06:04:27 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, true
2017-05-08T06:19:58 < Streaker> what's the efficiency of a lithium cell approximately?
2017-05-08T06:20:35 < Streaker> Sry. Wrong channel.
2017-05-08T06:23:20 < ohsix> buns
2017-05-08T06:23:25 < ohsix> 8
2017-05-08T06:34:29 < Streaker> 99%. for the record
2017-05-08T06:34:50 < dongs> its most efficient when you take a screwdriver and place it across t he terminals
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2017-05-08T07:04:48 < jadew> Sexual intercourse can sometimes lead to a feeling of melancholy in humans called post-coital tristesse (PCT). The feeling is more common in men than women and was described by philosopher Baruch Spinoza in 1677. English comedian Russell Brand described the phenomenon: "it’s like, Oh my God, what have I done? A sense of profound existential angst, a sense of loss, and a sense that somehow I’ve let my mum down."
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2017-05-08T07:07:23 < jadew> The diving reflex is triggered specifically when cold water contacts the face. Water that is warmer than 21°C (70°F) does not cause the reflex, and neither does submersion of body parts other than the face. As soon as the face hits cold water, the diving reflex is triggered in an attempt to maximize oxygen output. The human heart rate slows down by 10-25% and blood flow is constricted to the extremities. At extreme depths, the body intent
2017-05-08T07:07:45 < jadew> that diving reflex thing answers so many questions I had on the topic
2017-05-08T07:08:56 < dongs> dont you ahve better shit to research
2017-05-08T07:09:30 < jadew> it's late, I took a break
2017-05-08T07:09:37 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/products/signal-chain-and-memory/analog-switches/dual-low-ohmic-single-pole-single-throw-analog-switch:NX3L2T66GT WTB this in less retarded package
2017-05-08T07:13:01 < dongs> Mosfet Array 2 N-Channel (Dual) 20V 600mA 265mW Surface Mount 6-DFN (1.1x1)
2017-05-08T07:13:02 < dongs> wtf
2017-05-08T07:13:14 < dongs> yea, no
2017-05-08T07:14:23 < jadew> you need those particular specs
2017-05-08T07:14:29 < jadew> ?
2017-05-08T07:15:00 < jadew> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74hc4066.pdf
2017-05-08T07:15:04 < jadew> comes in various packages
2017-05-08T07:17:26 < jadew> has pretty good bandwidth, > 20 MHz IIRC
2017-05-08T07:18:14 < jadew> 30 MHz minimum (datasheet)
2017-05-08T07:26:59 < dongs> well, i dont need it in quad
2017-05-08T07:27:01 < dongs> lol 4066
2017-05-08T07:27:12 < dongs> isnt that thing like 50ohm impedance
2017-05-08T07:27:20 < jadew> no
2017-05-08T07:27:28 < jadew> don't think so anyway
2017-05-08T07:27:34 < dongs> Low On-State Impedance: 50-Ω Typical at
2017-05-08T07:27:34 < dongs> VCC = 6 V
2017-05-08T07:27:44 < dongs> NXP":  Its low ON resistance (0.5 Ω) and flatness (0.13 Ω)
2017-05-08T07:28:58 < jadew> if your inputs are high impedance, it doesn't matter much
2017-05-08T07:29:48 < jadew> that's probably important if you're using it to switch current
2017-05-08T07:36:38 < branjb> anyone know what category toggle/rocker switches are under on digikey?
2017-05-08T07:37:13 < dongs> branjb: believe it or not, under 'rocker switches'
2017-05-08T07:37:20 < branjb> fuck
2017-05-08T07:37:23 < branjb> am i retarded?
2017-05-08T07:37:23 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/products/en/switches/rocker-switches/195
2017-05-08T07:37:26 < dongs> yes
2017-05-08T07:37:46 < branjb> i just spent 10 minutes staring at the switches category
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2017-05-08T08:01:19 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/SN74LVC2G66DCUR/296-13272-1-ND/484493
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2017-05-08T08:23:15 < ohsix> boioioing
2017-05-08T08:24:12 < ohsix> got a ~new dryer someone illegally dumped, only thing bad on it is the buzzer apparently
2017-05-08T08:24:19 < ohsix> ic ould replace it with the original ... or a siren
2017-05-08T08:24:24 < ohsix> siren is cheaper of course
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2017-05-08T08:31:41 < branjb> https://www.udemy.com/arduino-bootcamp/
2017-05-08T08:36:35 < ohsix> is that you?
2017-05-08T08:39:21 < branjb> only $20
2017-05-08T08:40:16 < ohsix> sez 10 here
2017-05-08T08:40:45 < branjb> i guess it takes an extra $10 to teach me arduino basics
2017-05-08T08:42:31 < ohsix> do you need that?
2017-05-08T08:42:45 < ohsix> do you know c already or wut
2017-05-08T08:43:19 < branjb> i'd have said i knew c a year ago, but i keep learning how much i really don't know about it
2017-05-08T08:44:13 < ohsix> so what does arduino bring to the table that you need to have someone point it out
2017-05-08T08:44:38 < branjb> idk, i pasted that link hoping dongs would say something funny
2017-05-08T08:45:10 < ohsix> hasn't ever happened
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2017-05-08T08:47:21 < ohsix> oof, white goods replacement parts are such a racket
2017-05-08T08:53:43 < dongs> amp6 cant afford $20 for udemy
2017-05-08T08:53:49 < dongs> chatting on irc is free
2017-05-08T08:58:13 < branjb> "I have never heard of IAR or Kiel. What makes it more important than arduino? Thanks for the tip."
2017-05-08T08:58:27 < branjb> i love reddit
2017-05-08T08:58:46 < dongs> the best part about iar or keil is that you can't compile retarduino shit with it
2017-05-08T09:00:51 < ohsix> except that you can
2017-05-08T09:03:01 < ohsix> dag
2017-05-08T09:03:15 < ohsix> fire dudez end up at a house down the block a few times a year
2017-05-08T09:03:47 < ohsix> that's a lot of cash
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2017-05-08T09:18:58 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/hqAdK7B.gifv
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2017-05-08T09:47:54 < mtbg> zyp: ECM
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2017-05-08T09:48:30 < mtbg> I'd suspect that most of these ethernet over usb standards have similar pipes
2017-05-08T09:48:43 < mtbg> and differ in control requests
2017-05-08T09:49:28 < mtbg> and, what is more, AT commands are retarded
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2017-05-08T09:56:18 < zyp> IIRC ECM and EEM differs in encapsulation
2017-05-08T09:56:45 < zyp> I don't remember the specifics on NCM, but it's a newer subclass that's supposed to have better performance
2017-05-08T09:58:57 < mtbg> in  that one can you get much better than sending raw ethernet frames over usb endpoints?
2017-05-08T09:59:21 < mtbg> without "in that one"
2017-05-08T09:59:49 < zyp> "Since the new devices, although faster than before, are still much lower in power than desktop PCs, the issue of careful data handling arises, to maximize use of DMA resources on the device and minimize (or eliminate) copying of data (zero-copy). The NCM protocol has elaborate provisions for this."
2017-05-08T10:01:22 < mtbg> ok
2017-05-08T10:01:41 < mtbg> I think I will have to read the standard
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2017-05-08T10:02:14 < zyp> yeah, I've barely glanced at it, and I don't really remember the specifics
2017-05-08T10:20:48 < mtbg> zyp: ok, so it seems that you can define datagrams and headers
2017-05-08T10:21:08 < mtbg> and then only point to them to have them copied to the buffer
2017-05-08T10:21:44 < mtbg> kind of look up tables for predefined datagrams and headers
2017-05-08T10:22:08 < mtbg> so that you don't have to send common things multiple times
2017-05-08T10:22:54 < zyp> ah, i.e. scatter-gather support in the protocol itself
2017-05-08T10:27:01 < jsoft> If my system clock is 48Mhz, and I have DMA happening, and the dma data is two shorts with values 0 and 4095, and that is sent to the DAC ( 12 bit ), and the prescaler is 48000 and the auto reload register is 1, then surely I should get a 500 Hz square wave right? ATM I am getting a 250Hz one.
2017-05-08T10:29:12 < emeb_mac> depends on what the APB divisor is
2017-05-08T10:30:18 < jsoft> 1
2017-05-08T10:30:47 < zyp> no, 250 is right
2017-05-08T10:30:52 < jsoft> It is?
2017-05-08T10:30:54 < mtbg> ok, I'm wrong, there are no look up tables stored on the device
2017-05-08T10:31:06 < jsoft> zyp, how does that work?
2017-05-08T10:31:07 < mtbg> the datagram and header thing is to embed multiple ethernet frames
2017-05-08T10:31:36 < mtbg> in single hardware transfer
2017-05-08T10:31:37 < zyp> acually, more like 249.99
2017-05-08T10:31:53 < zyp> if PSC = 48000
2017-05-08T10:31:54 < mtbg> so that you minimize interrupts
2017-05-08T10:32:07 < mtbg> and maximize direct hardware-to-hardware interaction
2017-05-08T10:32:18 < zyp> PSC should be 48000 - 1 to divide by 48000, make sure you get that right if you want to be exact
2017-05-08T10:32:39 < jsoft> zyp, yeah it really is 47999, I hear you, but you know what I mean
2017-05-08T10:32:54 < jsoft> How does the maths work on that though, the 250hz ?
2017-05-08T10:33:05 < zyp> setting ARR = 1 means you'll get a two step count: 0, 1, 0, 1, ... which will give you DMA events at 500 Hz
2017-05-08T10:33:24 < zyp> and since each event is doing one half of the period, you end up with a 250 Hz square wave
2017-05-08T10:33:29 < jsoft> Hmm
2017-05-08T10:33:44 < jsoft> Ok that makes sense
2017-05-08T10:34:05 < mtbg> which I don't know if I like, since if one does usb to ethernet bridge, he usually can make something more direct than dma and not use any processor core for handling that, i.e. one could map endpoint buffer directly to ethernet MAC buffer
2017-05-08T10:34:44 < zyp> mtbg, have you done ethernet on embedded yet? they usually have scatter-gather-dma
2017-05-08T10:35:22 < zyp> so if you get a group of scattered frames in one transfer, you can set up the ethernet dma to gather them all as a single job
2017-05-08T10:35:36 < mtbg> ok
2017-05-08T10:35:46 < mtbg> so it is only good for that case
2017-05-08T10:36:00 < mtbg> and not if one wants hardware usb to ethernet bridge
2017-05-08T10:36:27 < zyp> well, to be fair, I don't think it was designed for usb to ethernet bridges at all :)
2017-05-08T10:37:02 < zyp> like mentioned, the only place I've seen it used is as a transport between the application processor and the 4G modem in smartphones
2017-05-08T10:37:20 < zyp> using HSIC, rather than traditional HS USB
2017-05-08T10:39:35 < mtbg> interesting
2017-05-08T10:43:09 < mtbg> zyp: and if scatter-gather dma is based on linked list of dma transfer descriptors, then I saw something similar in some USB controller dmas
2017-05-08T10:43:23 < zyp> probably
2017-05-08T10:48:09 < jsoft> zyp, can I set things so the count is 0 by the way ?
2017-05-08T10:48:34 < jsoft> i've tried zero but does not work, but I wonder if its some other magical flag I have overlooked
2017-05-08T10:48:39 < zyp> don't think so
2017-05-08T10:48:54 < jsoft> Hmm.
2017-05-08T10:48:59 < zyp> but you can set the prescaler to 0 and set ARR to 48000 - 1
2017-05-08T10:49:48 < zyp> or any other factor there
2017-05-08T10:50:07 < jsoft> zyp, hmm
2017-05-08T10:50:22 < jsoft> Well look at that
2017-05-08T10:54:58 < jsoft> zyp, I thought the prescaler was a divisor, how is dividing by zero possible, and why is dividing by one not the same thing as not dividing at all?
2017-05-08T10:55:32 < kilobyte_ch> Just setup the Atollic TrueSTUDIO under Windows and tried to compile the AN3413 current consumption touch sensing example for the STM32L1. But I'm getting the following Error: arm-atollic-eabi-gcc: error: ..\..\..\..\..\Libraries\CMSIS\Device\ST\STM32L1xx\Source\Templates\TrueSTUDIO\startup_stm32l1xx_md.s: No such file or directory Any idea?
2017-05-08T10:56:03 < kilobyte_ch> The File startup_stm32l1xx_md.s is present.
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2017-05-08T11:01:45 < dongs> retarded project files for retarded IDEs that dont work
2017-05-08T11:05:07 < PaulFertser> kilobyte_ch: sounds like wrong number of ..\
2017-05-08T11:27:52 < jsoft> zyp, hey thanks for the help, it bumped me right out of tunnel vision. Got a wee formula thing now to calculate freqs or combos requierd to produce a certain freq :)
2017-05-08T11:34:05 < kilobyte_ch> PaulFertser Any idea where to change? Just changed in Ressource -> Linked Ressources and then there the file to absolute path. But still same not absolute path error.
2017-05-08T11:38:35 < PaulFertser> kilobyte_ch: I think it's not linked resources, it's one of the source files.
2017-05-08T11:38:47 < PaulFertser> kilobyte_ch: I do not use IDEs so sorry, no idea where exactly to change that.
2017-05-08T11:40:52 < PaulFertser> crt: you too stvn
2017-05-08T11:41:51 < zyp> jsoft, prescaler is a divisor
2017-05-08T11:42:19 < zyp> jsoft, you can't divide by zero because the factor is stored as x-1
2017-05-08T11:42:37 < zyp> so you're dividing by /1 and thus setting PSC = 1-1
2017-05-08T11:44:37 < jsoft> zyp, Oh I see
2017-05-08T11:48:21 < jadew> why are there so many new people here?
2017-05-08T11:52:42 < jsoft> *shrug*
2017-05-08T11:52:51 < dongs> #israel is leaking
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2017-05-08T11:56:51 < jsoft> Garrr
2017-05-08T11:57:14 < jsoft> There is some strange low frequency vibration + noise going through my desk and what not, and am not sure what it is
2017-05-08T11:57:20 < jsoft> Half suspecting my computer
2017-05-08T12:00:47 < dongs> some chinaman just spammed me with TI Sitara AM335x processor SoM
2017-05-08T12:01:04 < dongs> ddr sodimm form factor, 1gb ddr3, 32gb emmc, gbe ethernet phy
2017-05-08T12:01:22 < dongs> http://www.goembed.com/
2017-05-08T12:01:43 < dongs> http://www.goembed.com/index.php/Products/detail/tpid/70
2017-05-08T12:01:47 < dongs> god damn that is cheap
2017-05-08T12:02:15 < mtbg> decent
2017-05-08T12:03:06 < mtbg> http://www.goembed.com/index.php/Products/detail/tpid/62
2017-05-08T12:03:08 < mtbg> that one also
2017-05-08T12:03:36 < c10ud^> well, that's just a beaglebone black without the connectors
2017-05-08T12:04:09 < c10ud^> given that the pinout is not *that* fucked up you may as well use the board directly
2017-05-08T12:04:38 < c10ud^> however am335x + USB is not that of a fun experience, at least on linux
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2017-05-08T12:22:40 < zyp> dongs, looks neat, better connectivity than pi cm
2017-05-08T12:23:08 < zyp> shittier cpu though
2017-05-08T12:23:29 < zyp> (than CM3)
2017-05-08T12:27:03 < mtbg> has 8-bit sdio
2017-05-08T12:27:17 < mtbg> so at least one low latency high bandwidth bus
2017-05-08T12:27:41 < mtbg> which doesn't require high end fpga to interface with
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2017-05-08T12:30:39 < mtbg> 4 bit on CM3
2017-05-08T12:36:31 < zyp> did you look in a mirror now?
2017-05-08T12:37:45 < zyp> haha, wat
2017-05-08T12:38:42 < zyp> well, I'm just surprised people buy it at that price?
2017-05-08T12:42:39 < mtbg> :<
2017-05-08T12:43:57 < mtbg> and probably runs linux and linux user space emulators for that consoles
2017-05-08T12:44:31 < mtbg> hi
2017-05-08T12:47:17 < Steffanx> Hi stvvn
2017-05-08T12:56:29 < Steffanx> Ya mate.
2017-05-08T12:58:28 < Steffanx> Psychology.
2017-05-08T12:58:56 < BrainDamage> deconstructivist post-modern literature
2017-05-08T12:59:06 < Steffanx> Or filosophy.
2017-05-08T12:59:35 < Steffanx> I would prefer Filosophy.
2017-05-08T12:59:51 < Steffanx> Proper written yes
2017-05-08T13:00:29 < Steffanx> Buy a waffle maker
2017-05-08T13:01:26 < Steffanx> I never made on myself
2017-05-08T13:03:48 < BrainDamage> all you have to do is design an amplifer to stop amplifying, then you've got an oscillator
2017-05-08T13:03:52 < BrainDamage> and viceversa
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2017-05-08T13:06:19 < BrainDamage> maybe you're cheaper than trash collection services
2017-05-08T13:11:52 < dongs> tectu too busy pumping uguuFx
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2017-05-08T13:16:38 < Steffanx> You can.
2017-05-08T13:16:47 < Steffanx> Stop pumping, go keiling.
2017-05-08T13:17:07 < Steffanx> Spend your evenings more wisely.
2017-05-08T13:17:16 < dongs> VFD controller
2017-05-08T13:17:25 < dongs> with stm32f0
2017-05-08T13:17:29 < dongs> so you can legally use free keil
2017-05-08T13:17:58 < Steffanx> Still like 3.75 hours left to tomorrow
2017-05-08T13:18:03 < Steffanx> Till
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2017-05-08T13:41:28 < ReadError> how about you get to keiling, before i build my foot up ur ass
2017-05-08T13:43:11 < ReadError> no, i cant
2017-05-08T13:44:09 < BrainDamage> because you're a human, not a circuit
2017-05-08T13:45:39 < BrainDamage> I prefer the circuit part but I suck at layout
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2017-05-08T13:58:21 < Steffanx> Altium
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2017-05-08T14:02:36 < jpa-> heh, accidentally broke off the casing of a light sensor chip and the casing mangled the bondage wires
2017-05-08T14:02:51 < jpa-> took some careful tweezer work to fix that:  https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/bondaus.jpg
2017-05-08T14:04:41 < BrainDamage> bondage wires are ... another thing
2017-05-08T14:06:48 < jpa-> err yeah
2017-05-08T14:07:06 < jpa-> my thoughts accidentally travelled to the kind of tweezer work we usualy do with Tectu
2017-05-08T14:12:04 < karlp> Steffanx: my (quite old) pc does gigabit ethernet sure, but my cheap wifi router doesn't, and neither do the two old 5 port switches around the house to make cabling work out.
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2017-05-08T14:22:04 < zyp> crt, you don't keep a list?
2017-05-08T14:23:03 < zyp> I have a list of shit to buy if I need to pad an order, right now I have ESD-bags and some other shit on it
2017-05-08T14:23:08 < zyp> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/b-l475e-iot01a.html <- this shit, for instance
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2017-05-08T14:24:11 < karlp> lot of goodies on that board hey
2017-05-08T14:24:37 < zyp> yeah, it's kinda "hey, we can do every RF protocol ever"
2017-05-08T14:24:56 < karlp> surprisingly no lora, given how much even st was hyping it
2017-05-08T14:25:26 < zyp> ah, this is also on my list: http://www2.mouser.com/new/stmicroelectronics/stmicro-stm32-lorawan-discovery-board/
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2017-05-08T14:28:27 < zyp> hrm
2017-05-08T14:29:07 < zyp> I'm sitting at work waiting for some pcb to show up, putting the final touches on the firmware that'll be hooked up to it
2017-05-08T14:29:59 < zyp> and one of the final touches is calculating the scaling factors for some ADC inputs
2017-05-08T14:31:49 < zyp> turns out that people have gotten the gain on the amplifier in front of the ADC is an order of magnitude too high
2017-05-08T14:32:42 < Steffanx> Get me some led driver and ldo crt
2017-05-08T14:33:43 < Steffanx> ble controllable battery powered led thingy
2017-05-08T14:33:51 < Steffanx> Previous one needs a redesign
2017-05-08T14:34:38 < Steffanx> Bucking.
2017-05-08T14:35:13 < Steffanx> I was doing SEPIC, but moved away from that
2017-05-08T14:35:25 < Steffanx> want to move*
2017-05-08T14:35:44 < Steffanx> Are you doing the TI selector thing?
2017-05-08T14:36:29 < Steffanx> This is like 6V. 4xAA
2017-05-08T14:37:32 < Steffanx> Yes, i already selected one. I wanted you to get it :P
2017-05-08T14:37:43 < Steffanx> But i dont remember the part no.
2017-05-08T14:38:42 < Steffanx> :P
2017-05-08T14:39:32 < Steffanx> No igbt?
2017-05-08T14:40:42 < englishman> hi crt
2017-05-08T14:40:47 < englishman> Tweeted: "This very expensive global warming bullshit has got to stop." Trump
2017-05-08T14:40:50 < englishman> go get em champ
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2017-05-08T14:41:22 < englishman> stop calling me your dad. he's never coming back
2017-05-08T14:41:36 < Steffanx> Im your daddy.
2017-05-08T14:41:44 < Steffanx> Havent you seen club photo?
2017-05-08T14:43:40 < mtbg> englishman: it is called "psychopatic optimization"
2017-05-08T14:44:06 < mtbg> 13:40 < englishman> Tweeted: "This very expensive global warming bullshit has got to stop." Trump
2017-05-08T14:44:09 < mtbg> this thing
2017-05-08T14:44:30 < Steffanx> Can you tell me mtbg. Why people from your side of europe (and russia) always use a photo on their website?
2017-05-08T14:45:01 < Steffanx> I stalked you at your website..
2017-05-08T14:45:33 < mtbg> it is not my website
2017-05-08T14:45:41 < Steffanx> Oh its not you.
2017-05-08T14:45:43 < mtbg> and no, I don't think so
2017-05-08T14:45:44 < mtbg> :>
2017-05-08T14:45:51 < Steffanx> Awh. I stalked the wrong guy
2017-05-08T14:45:54 < sync> [opsec intensifies]
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2017-05-08T14:46:51 < englishman> are you repairing or inventing, crt
2017-05-08T14:47:21 < Steffanx> Fixing.
2017-05-08T14:47:37 < mtbg> I seen such thing in many other countries too, I think that is the case when one has some private webpage with his projects and stuff
2017-05-08T14:47:43 < mtbg> and it is not a blog
2017-05-08T14:47:58 < mtbg> then usually there is his photo somewhere in "about"
2017-05-08T14:48:47 < Steffanx> When i see it, its often from eastern europe (and sometimes italy/spaim)
2017-05-08T14:48:55 < mtbg> ham radio operators often have such thing
2017-05-08T14:50:13 < Steffanx> You still wear that shirt crt? https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/family-photo.jpg
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2017-05-08T14:56:50 < Steffanx> What. Is. This.
2017-05-08T14:59:27 < mtbg> it is mike
2017-05-08T15:00:58 < BrainDamage> mikeselectricstuff whom I always read as mike selectric's tuff
2017-05-08T15:10:47 < Steffanx> Im glad i dont have a clue, again
2017-05-08T15:12:14 < Steffanx> Goose?
2017-05-08T15:18:52 < Steffanx> Dont forget charlie.
2017-05-08T15:22:36 < kilobyte_ch> Is there a easy and free way to compile the STM32L1 Current meassure and touch sense example on Windows/Linux? Just tried atollic which has an issue with an false path to the startup_stm32l1xx_md.s which I can't change.
2017-05-08T15:22:54 < kilobyte_ch> (For the STM32L1 Discovery Board)
2017-05-08T15:24:32 < PaulFertser> kilobyte_ch: I just use makefiles + arm gcc toolchain, works on any platform.
2017-05-08T15:25:01 < PaulFertser> kilobyte_ch: I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to make attolic work though. Same toolchain. Just fix the path.
2017-05-08T15:25:27 < kilobyte_ch> Can you point me to a working Makefile for the STM32L1 example? Would prefer a working makefile without a (shit) IDE.
2017-05-08T15:25:37 < karlp> crt: eat raw meat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6GhYdwI7g
2017-05-08T15:26:32 < PaulFertser> kilobyte_ch: just take any makefile for similar project and amend to your liking.
2017-05-08T15:26:50 < kilobyte_ch> In the "CDT Managed Build Setting Entries" Menu of Atollic is a Path which looks like the one for the .s file. But theres no option in the menu to change that.
2017-05-08T15:26:59 < kilobyte_ch> hmm, ok, will try to get something kind of working..
2017-05-08T15:32:31 < BrainDamage> raw water
2017-05-08T15:33:22 < Steffanx> Blegh.
2017-05-08T15:34:01 < Steffanx> Bottled water?
2017-05-08T15:35:13 < Steffanx> I never buy water in a store.
2017-05-08T15:40:59 < Steffanx> Hi crt
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2017-05-08T17:04:14 < Getty> reseller complained that putting firmware on the devices is making more stress as usual, partly not working. Told him to check the SD card content, one of those sd cards the china producer put into the device was still having all android stuff on it
2017-05-08T17:04:29 < Getty> unbelievable :)
2017-05-08T17:05:06 < Getty> as if they really put effort into making it wrong
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2017-05-08T17:22:22 < Steffanx> Your sw isnt fool proof Getty
2017-05-08T17:23:54 < Getty> Steffanx: it is bad about wrong formatted SD cards, sadly they come in all kind of variations
2017-05-08T17:24:06 < Getty> Steffanx: but the reseller has a sdformat function
2017-05-08T17:24:37 < Getty> i must define the codepage on chanfs on compile, i cant handle them all
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2017-05-08T17:39:11 < Thorn> they fixed cube under osx, it's more responsive and the clock tab doesn't eat cpu, unbelievable
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2017-05-08T17:40:52 < englishman> I think tectu is in prison for arriving 5min late to his own company
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2017-05-08T18:32:35 < Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar spotted irl https://gfycat.com/HastyNewGalah
2017-05-08T18:33:44 < karlp> you _days_ late loser
2017-05-08T18:39:57 < englishman> i wonder why he bothered to tape the steering wheel when he has goggles on
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2017-05-08T18:41:02 < karlp> englishman: probably existing equipment?
2017-05-08T18:41:38 < englishman> maybe, dont recognize that wheel
2017-05-08T18:41:41 < englishman> also that looks like irl footage
2017-05-08T18:41:44 < karlp> also, it's yellow in the third person, black in the FPV?
2017-05-08T18:41:53 < englishman> but the gif is like 20x30 typical Laurenceb_ quality so hard to tell
2017-05-08T18:42:58 < englishman> whoa
2017-05-08T18:43:04 < englishman> it actually is a leobodnar steering wheel
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2017-05-08T18:45:18 < englishman> ok not exactly that but still http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=101
2017-05-08T18:51:43 < englishman> rip, montreal http://imgur.com/a/HKSoW
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2017-05-08T19:22:10 < Steffanx> Oh now i get why it costs 25K
2017-05-08T19:22:43 < Steffanx> A better hobbist can save quite some munny.
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2017-05-08T20:05:00 < Steffanx> Welcome Tectu.
2017-05-08T20:05:32 < Tectu> hi
2017-05-08T20:06:07 < englishman> bien venie
2017-05-08T20:06:33 < Steffanx> que?
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2017-05-08T20:07:57 < Tectu> how are people these days?
2017-05-08T20:08:56 < Steffanx> Im ok. And mr Tectu?
2017-05-08T20:09:08 < Tectu> sad
2017-05-08T20:09:09 < Tectu> tired
2017-05-08T20:09:12 < Tectu> -> final exams time.
2017-05-08T20:09:19 < Tectu> probably a bit suicidal too
2017-05-08T20:09:55 < Steffanx> ^ average ##stm32 person :P
2017-05-08T20:10:04 < Steffanx> maybe it's not funny, but..
2017-05-08T20:13:06 < Steffanx> We accepted Rob235 in our talk group as well, so.. we are here for you Tectu :D
2017-05-08T20:13:24 < Tectu> that's nice to hear.
2017-05-08T20:14:10 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoailiPGTZQ
2017-05-08T20:16:38 < englishman> we accepted rob? was there a vote?
2017-05-08T20:17:09 < karlp> we accept anyone who can type "/join ##stm32" aiui.
2017-05-08T20:17:16 < Steffanx> No, lies.
2017-05-08T20:17:16 < karlp> whether those people accept us is a different matter.
2017-05-08T20:17:21 < karlp> some of them typ /part or /quit again.
2017-05-08T20:17:26 < Tectu> ##stm32 care
2017-05-08T20:18:07 < Steffanx> One guy was actually almost purged. After pasting the same question 3 times here :P
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2017-05-08T20:19:09 < Tectu> did you not like the way his fingers spoke, Steffanx?
2017-05-08T20:19:32 < Steffanx> No, he was german.
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2017-05-08T20:38:33 < englishman> how do i turn a .elf into something useable bin/hex
2017-05-08T20:39:19 < Steffanx> keil.
2017-05-08T20:39:21 < Tectu> use arm-none-eabi-objcopy
2017-05-08T20:39:48 < englishman> ok so gcc tool
2017-05-08T20:39:53 < englishman> how do i find files in lunix
2017-05-08T20:39:54 < englishman> lol
2017-05-08T20:40:05 < zyp> what are you gonna use bin/hex for?
2017-05-08T20:40:14 < englishman> flash to stm32
2017-05-08T20:40:15 < zyp> doesn't everything eat elfs directly nowadays?
2017-05-08T20:40:25 < englishman> not st-link utility apparently
2017-05-08T20:40:35 < zyp> the win utility?
2017-05-08T20:40:39 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-08T20:40:47 < zyp> heh
2017-05-08T20:41:17 < englishman> as you can tell, .elf is rarely seen in the pro world
2017-05-08T20:41:34 < zyp> I don't think that utility is very pro
2017-05-08T20:42:39 < Tectu> yep, ST-Link doesn't eat *.elf
2017-05-08T20:42:48 < Steffanx> you dont have arm-gcc toolchain install on windows englishman?
2017-05-08T20:42:52 < Steffanx> *installed
2017-05-08T20:43:03 < englishman> j-flash doesnt load .elf either
2017-05-08T20:43:04 < Tectu> englishman, but if not using GCC crap anyway, doesn't your IDE allow for generating that for you? eg. keil has a setting for that.
2017-05-08T20:43:15 < englishman> Tectu, not my software :(
2017-05-08T20:43:40 < Steffanx> something-objcopy.exe -O ihex input.elf output.hex \o/
2017-05-08T20:44:05 < Steffanx> I even did .exe for you.
2017-05-08T20:44:34 < englishman> i searched for arm-none-eabi-objcopy in lunix mint's search box and it found 9 executables. lol
2017-05-08T20:44:55 < englishman> but i guess the /usr/bin is the one i want
2017-05-08T20:45:09 < Steffanx> y u lunix?
2017-05-08T20:45:20 < englishman> ?
2017-05-08T20:45:22 < englishman> for gcc?
2017-05-08T20:45:41 < Steffanx> why you use linux.. ? No arm-none-eabi-* on windows?
2017-05-08T20:45:46 < englishman> no
2017-05-08T20:46:02 < Steffanx> Install it and save you the trouble of lunix.
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2017-05-08T20:46:26 < Ultrasauce> why would you assume linux mint comes with an arm toolchain?
2017-05-08T20:46:35 < Ultrasauce> use the package manager to install it
2017-05-08T20:46:40 < englishman> hex is loaded tho
2017-05-08T20:46:46 < englishman> already done
2017-05-08T20:47:06 < Steffanx> https://developer.arm.com/-/media/Files/downloads/gnu-rm/6_1-2017q1/gcc-arm-none-eabi-6-2017-q1-update-win32.exe?product=GNU%20ARM%20Embedded%20Toolchain,32-bit,,Windows,6-2017-q1-update
2017-05-08T20:47:08 < Steffanx> get it!
2017-05-08T20:47:33 < Steffanx> Why do that have /-/ in there :S
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2017-05-08T20:48:12 < englishman> well i have to use lunix for other stuff for this
2017-05-08T20:48:17 < englishman> and python too
2017-05-08T20:48:19 < englishman> !!
2017-05-08T20:48:27 < Steffanx> Install python on windows
2017-05-08T20:48:37 < Steffanx> install bash on ubuntu on windows.
2017-05-08T20:48:56 < zyp> there's a python lib to read elfs, I'm using that for my bootloader scripts
2017-05-08T20:49:29 < Steffanx> Im a bit worried englishman. You seem to jump to Lunix a bit fast.
2017-05-08T20:49:38 < englishman> well im being paid to lunix
2017-05-08T20:49:39 < englishman> so its ok
2017-05-08T20:57:57 < Steffanx> Whoring yourself out?
2017-05-08T20:59:34 < englishman> always
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2017-05-08T22:32:00 < englishman> Floodings in Ottawa have submerged the Ottawa Rowing Club
2017-05-08T22:32:01 < englishman> lol
2017-05-08T22:34:59 < kakimir> bash on windows is way to go
2017-05-08T22:36:20 < ohsix> lul i found a sports radar thing
2017-05-08T22:36:25 < ohsix> it literally is an arduino plus hb100
2017-05-08T22:36:31 < ohsix> programming header and 328p and everything
2017-05-08T22:37:24 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/On839X9.jpg
2017-05-08T22:37:40 < ohsix> so if you want to build an automatic speed sign, there you go
2017-05-08T22:37:55 < ohsix> https://www.amazon.com/SKLZ-Sport-Radar-Multi-Sport-Detection/dp/B008X3BQ3G
2017-05-08T22:38:03 < ohsix> by default it sucks pretty bad, even for what it is sold for
2017-05-08T22:38:22 < kakimir> ohsix: are you able to operate that radar?
2017-05-08T22:38:32 < kakimir> I didn't get any sense of the signal
2017-05-08T22:38:47 < ohsix> i've read about it, going to write firmware for this
2017-05-08T22:38:55 < kakimir> why not use those big segments ohsix ?
2017-05-08T22:38:57 < ohsix> what you get is the output of the frequency mixer
2017-05-08T22:39:09 < kakimir> oh i understand
2017-05-08T22:39:22 < ohsix> huhauha i just noticed the db9 unpopulated on the right
2017-05-08T22:39:53 < kakimir> is it any importance?
2017-05-08T22:40:08 < ohsix> well, it's an arduino, it's rx/tx
2017-05-08T22:40:40 < ohsix> looks like there's an antenna or some sort of rf jack just above it too
2017-05-08T22:41:52 < ohsix> ahaha
2017-05-08T22:41:59 < ohsix> even the LED driver on there is from a sparkfun board
2017-05-08T22:43:38 < kakimir> what you plan to use for segments?
2017-05-08T22:43:46 < ohsix> it's going to show speed
2017-05-08T22:43:55 < ohsix> but i want it to work like the stationary speed signs here
2017-05-08T22:44:02 < kakimir> no but for the appereance of the segments
2017-05-08T22:44:08 < ohsix> oh eh
2017-05-08T22:44:17 < kakimir> instead of bright dots
2017-05-08T22:44:19 < ohsix> the case has taken care of that
2017-05-08T22:44:30 < ohsix> see amazon link, that's what it is
2017-05-08T22:44:31 < kakimir> any pics?
2017-05-08T22:45:04 < kakimir> interesting
2017-05-08T22:45:10 < kakimir> that is internals?
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2017-05-08T22:46:43 < ohsix> not terribly
2017-05-08T22:46:44 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/Ab3e5KW.jpg
2017-05-08T22:46:50 < ohsix> it really is just an arduino
2017-05-08T22:47:11 < ohsix> might have to stop messing with this, technically i'm supposed to be putting a presentation about something together
2017-05-08T22:47:15 < Steffanx> did you spend $80 on that?
2017-05-08T22:47:18 < ohsix> n
2017-05-08T22:47:22 < ohsix> found at thrift shop
2017-05-08T22:47:23 < Steffanx> good
2017-05-08T22:47:52 < kakimir> I have planned to do a big segment display for such use
2017-05-08T22:48:00 < ohsix> i could clone this board and do a little 3d printing snap on for the display part and it'd be kewl
2017-05-08T22:48:07 < kakimir> like 5" segments of so
2017-05-08T22:48:34 < kakimir> ohsix: what are your plans for it?
2017-05-08T22:49:19 < ohsix> i've wanted to make some of these http://www.radarsign.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/radar-speed-sign-effectiveness.jpg
2017-05-08T22:51:10 < ohsix> they're pretty effective, but the police don't have one for every speed sign :p
2017-05-08T22:53:49 < kakimir> ohsix: your segments are too small
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2017-05-08T22:55:04 < ohsix> not a problem
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2017-05-08T23:15:36 < ohsix> noice the guy personally keeping adafruit open has 4 isps
2017-05-08T23:16:56 < englishman> wut
2017-05-08T23:19:33 < ohsix> older guy also hanging out at the lab brought some of his stuff in and it's like 6k of adafruit inventory
2017-05-08T23:20:04 < ohsix> need usbisp to dump fw from radar
2017-05-08T23:21:12 < ohsix> dude didn't even know he had them
2017-05-08T23:21:33 < ohsix> but he flashed some pro juarez on a naza flight controller or some shit years ago so he's got a bunch
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2017-05-09T00:05:07 < ohsix> heh the other pin header is for an arduino ftdi
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2017-05-09T00:38:59 < upgrdman> anyone here used photodiodes to send digital signals? i seem to get better fall times if the LED outputs LESS light.
2017-05-09T00:39:17 < upgrdman> guessing photodiode parasitic capacitance is fucking me over?
2017-05-09T00:44:28 < mtbg>  can you show your circuit?
2017-05-09T00:45:25 < mtbg> photodiodes are behaving like current sources
2017-05-09T00:46:08 < mtbg> you get faster response but worse sensitivity if you load them with smaller resistance
2017-05-09T00:46:38 < mtbg> capacitance can be lowered by reverse biasing the photodiode
2017-05-09T00:47:31 < upgrdman> mtbg, figure 61 on page 6 of http://www.ti.com/lit/an/sboa035/sboa035.pdf
2017-05-09T00:47:42 < upgrdman> but for R1, 2M2 was not working at all for me
2017-05-09T00:47:52 < upgrdman> i had to keep lowered it and settled on like 30K
2017-05-09T00:48:10 < upgrdman> err figure 6a, not 61
2017-05-09T00:48:35 < upgrdman> op amp is powered by 5V and GND
2017-05-09T00:51:00 < mtbg> what op amp are you using?
2017-05-09T00:51:37 < upgrdman> TLV3542 http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv3542.pdf
2017-05-09T00:53:24 < upgrdman> mtbg, re: response and sensitivity, does that mean if i lower R1 even less than 30K, but send more light to the photodiode, i should get better bandwidth?
2017-05-09T00:53:48 < mtbg> it is a transimpedance amplifier
2017-05-09T00:53:56 < mtbg> your diode sees 0 ohm load
2017-05-09T00:54:07 < mtbg> effectively
2017-05-09T00:54:21 < mtbg> and response speed is limited by the slew rate
2017-05-09T00:54:25 < mtbg> of your opamp
2017-05-09T00:54:38  * upgrdman checks slew rate
2017-05-09T00:55:00 < mtbg> and parasitic capacitance
2017-05-09T00:55:01 < mtbg> of R1
2017-05-09T00:56:54 < upgrdman> hmmm i see a slew rate of around 100mV per 200ns ... so 500mV/us ... op amp is rated at 150V/us :(
2017-05-09T00:57:38 < upgrdman> does op amp slew rate change with gain?
2017-05-09T00:57:43 < mtbg> no
2017-05-09T00:58:46 < mtbg> maximum slew rate at input current 'I_in' is about I_in/(parasitic capacitance)
2017-05-09T00:59:35 < mtbg> = (output voltage of A1)/(R1*capacitance of R1)
2017-05-09T01:00:11 < mtbg> that is the limit due to R1 capacitance
2017-05-09T01:01:00 < mtbg> output voltage after stabilization, and not on the slope
2017-05-09T01:01:34 < mtbg> what is the final output voltage when you have that 500mV/µs slope?
2017-05-09T01:01:40 < upgrdman> hmm slew rate improved to 100mv per 150us or 667mV/us when i drove the LED a little harder
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2017-05-09T01:02:25 < upgrdman> guess i should drive the LED closer to its limit. i think im going around 15mA but its rated to 60mA
2017-05-09T01:03:27 < upgrdman> mtbg, around 220mV
2017-05-09T01:03:46 < upgrdman> low is around 100mv and high is around 220mv
2017-05-09T01:04:05 < upgrdman> this is looking at the output of the first op amp
2017-05-09T01:04:20 < upgrdman> the second op amp is useless right now since it's being driving by a shit waveform
2017-05-09T01:04:59 < mtbg> so 120mV and then the diode current is about 4µA
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2017-05-09T01:06:36 < upgrdman> is 4uA bad?
2017-05-09T01:07:36 < mtbg> 500mV/µs is 500kV/s
2017-05-09T01:07:55 < mtbg> which gives about 10pF
2017-05-09T01:08:02 < mtbg> in the feedback
2017-05-09T01:08:07 < mtbg> to limit to that rate
2017-05-09T01:08:28 < upgrdman> ok
2017-05-09T01:08:56 < upgrdman> im kinda struggling here. if i cant lower than 10pF, my options are to? drive LED harder? anything else?
2017-05-09T01:09:38 < upgrdman> im guessing most of that 10pF is from my 10X probe on the output of the op amp (one end of R1)
2017-05-09T01:09:51 < upgrdman> but i dont have an active probe to verify
2017-05-09T01:12:16 < upgrdman> hmm ya if i prove the photodiode cathode the signal goes to total shit
2017-05-09T01:12:20 < mtbg> it is only the capacitance from output to input that matters here (limiting the slew rate of the amplifier itself)
2017-05-09T01:12:23 < upgrdman> probe with another probe
2017-05-09T01:12:34 < mtbg> hmm
2017-05-09T01:12:37 < mtbg> well then
2017-05-09T01:13:27 < mtbg> there is one more thing which can limit the slew rate - amplifier open loop gain
2017-05-09T01:13:36 < mtbg> it divides the feedback resistance
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2017-05-09T01:14:06 < mtbg> to give effective input resistance
2017-05-09T01:15:38 < karlp> englishman: can't you just rename teh .elf to .axf or something so that the "pro toolz" know what it is?
2017-05-09T01:15:42 < upgrdman> mtbg, just to be clear, this is my setup  http://imgur.com/a/W6Rx0
2017-05-09T01:16:22 < englishman> karlp: had no idea
2017-05-09T01:16:32 < mtbg> upgrdman:
2017-05-09T01:16:37 < englishman> j-flash accepted the file extension, but didnt go further
2017-05-09T01:16:39 < mtbg> one suggestion then
2017-05-09T01:16:46 < englishman> i dono if axf was listed in st-link utility
2017-05-09T01:16:59 < karlp> couldn't give a shit abotu the stlink utility honestly :)
2017-05-09T01:17:01 < englishman> but anyway, used lunix to convert the lunix format into useable format
2017-05-09T01:17:17 < mtbg> upgrdman: move that '+' input potential some 200-300mV up
2017-05-09T01:17:57 < upgrdman> mtbg, to remove the 100mV offset i see at the output?
2017-05-09T01:18:12 < mtbg> the opamp may have worse parameters when common mode is close to rails
2017-05-09T01:18:26 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2017-05-09T01:19:41 < mtbg> you can connect potentiometer here
2017-05-09T01:19:50 < mtbg> but must bypass it with a cap to ground
2017-05-09T01:20:03 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-09T01:29:46 < mtbg> especially the open loop gain is shitty close to rails
2017-05-09T01:29:57 < mtbg> which can explain the behavior you see
2017-05-09T01:30:01 < karlp> heh, "SG105 can also be a home ornament"  https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1dNcZQXXXXXcCaXXXq6xXFXXXz/226276227/HTB1dNcZQXXXXXcCaXXXq6xXFXXXz.jpg
2017-05-09T01:38:08 < mtbg> you should get up to ~10V/µs
2017-05-09T01:39:26 < mtbg> more requires either stronger light or reverse bias
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2017-05-09T01:43:32 < kakimir> undervoltaged my laptop core by 85mV
2017-05-09T01:43:35 < kakimir> that is 10%
2017-05-09T01:43:37 < kakimir> or more
2017-05-09T01:52:58 < kakimir> intel XTU
2017-05-09T01:57:12 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-09T02:01:29 < kakimir> that means 10% more battery
2017-05-09T02:01:31 < kakimir> or
2017-05-09T02:01:39 < kakimir> 10% more thermal margin
2017-05-09T02:20:24 < ohsix> upgrdman beep yo
2017-05-09T02:20:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, hi
2017-05-09T02:20:59 < ohsix> the sklz radar is an arduino with an hb100 on it, in a case
2017-05-09T02:21:28 < ohsix> i dumped the firmware, it wasn't fused
2017-05-09T02:24:18 < Laurenceb_> attn englishman https://github.com/richardeoin/ax
2017-05-09T02:24:22 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/Ab3e5KW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/On839X9.jpg
2017-05-09T02:24:38 < ohsix> upgrdman: even the led driver is the one on a popular sparkfun board
2017-05-09T02:26:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, cool
2017-05-09T02:26:13 < upgrdman> but im kinda busy right now
2017-05-09T02:26:14 < Laurenceb_> crazy project, but I'm not quite convinced it works properly
2017-05-09T02:26:53 < Laurenceb_> their measured performance is 25dB worse than theory
2017-05-09T02:26:58 < englishman> Laurenceb_: yeah that was linked in other chats, will peruse tomorrow likely, picking up that project again
2017-05-09T02:28:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/assets/flights/24/uplink_test.jpg
2017-05-09T02:28:30 < Laurenceb_> I actually found this on the map and put into some pro propogation modelling tool from work
2017-05-09T02:28:49 < englishman> autism@work
2017-05-09T02:28:59 < englishman> maybe i will do range testing eventually
2017-05-09T02:29:03 < englishman> still just sitting on my desk
2017-05-09T02:29:24 < Laurenceb_> there seems to be 25dB missing somewhere
2017-05-09T02:29:35 < Laurenceb_> thats quite a lot of missing link budget
2017-05-09T02:29:39 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-09T02:30:51 < Laurenceb_> maybe they just completely screwed their antenna matching with that clamp
2017-05-09T02:31:10 < Laurenceb_> it really doesnt look wise
2017-05-09T02:33:21 < Laurenceb_> the worse answer is that ax**** has piss poor out of band rejection and they are picking up noise from the city
2017-05-09T02:34:40 < Laurenceb_> I tested silabs using coax between the top and bottom of a 4 story building, but it was a massive pita to shield stray rf in cables etc
2017-05-09T02:35:42 < BrainDamage> why did you need to physically separate them?
2017-05-09T02:36:12 < Laurenceb_> rf in the office furniture, power cables and so on
2017-05-09T02:36:51 < Laurenceb_> and good luck getting >160dB attenuation on a single pcb
2017-05-09T02:37:45 < Laurenceb_> good news is you can test by walking around the room
2017-05-09T02:38:05 < Laurenceb_> if the signal fluctuates you have leakage issues
2017-05-09T02:39:10 < Laurenceb_> this requires getting up from your chair,but at least you dont have to go outside
2017-05-09T02:39:50 < Laurenceb_> http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/basement_5691.png
2017-05-09T02:45:46 < Laurenceb_>  $50sat got a 2 way datalink to LEO working with silabs modules, so 434mhz interference at altitude can't be too bad
2017-05-09T02:47:35 < Laurenceb_> and all written in picbasic :P
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2017-05-09T03:33:32 < englishman> Laurenceb_: but his is 2fsk right
2017-05-09T03:33:45 < englishman> and not using factory settings
2017-05-09T03:52:24 < Laurenceb_> yeah its using his python config code...
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2017-05-09T03:57:48 < englishman> Laurenceb_ maybe you can find a mate here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd5-qspfKtc
2017-05-09T03:58:38 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap
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2017-05-09T04:00:18 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/v5nhyqz.gif
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2017-05-09T04:21:31 < jaakkos> englishman: yeah suddenly kids around my block are running outside with those horse sticks... and I surely do live in Finland
2017-05-09T04:21:41 < jaakkos> apparently that event was fairly popular on the interwebs
2017-05-09T04:22:36 < englishman> heh
2017-05-09T04:26:41 < englishman> they are doing activities
2017-05-09T04:26:47 < englishman> bag related activities
2017-05-09T04:27:31 < englishman> one cat is inside the bag attacking the thing outside attacking the bag. and another cat is outside the bag attacking the thing that is attacking from inside the bag
2017-05-09T04:27:54 < englishman> quite a convoluted game they are playing.
2017-05-09T04:28:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah but where is the python
2017-05-09T04:29:06 < Laurenceb_> or the C.H.I.P.
2017-05-09T04:29:39 < Laurenceb_> wait wtf
2017-05-09T04:29:54 < Laurenceb_> now it's micro:bit
2017-05-09T04:30:01 < Laurenceb_> I'm confuse
2017-05-09T04:30:23 < Laurenceb_> Doctor Who Mission Sonic - use your micro:bit to help Defeat The Daleks!
2017-05-09T04:31:08 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/rc6a35TbKZ5A2A4QMTnYB-dN_wptIn6MjRCG5tme6PQ.jpg
2017-05-09T04:31:32 < englishman> Laurenceb_: your links are typically bad, but, a tiny white square?
2017-05-09T04:31:33 < englishman> really?
2017-05-09T04:31:49 < Laurenceb_> lul I faild
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2017-05-09T04:38:54 < Laurenceb_> found ur mum https://tinyurl.com/k8hrchq  (nsfw)
2017-05-09T04:40:58 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/67rn3u/what_is_the_context_to_these_photos_and_was_it/
2017-05-09T04:41:08 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2017-05-09T04:41:10 < Laurenceb_> As time goes by, people die. Memories fade. Photographs are taken from their context. A photograph you take might be passed on to your children
2017-05-09T04:41:13 < Laurenceb_> top kek
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2017-05-09T04:56:19 < dongs> http://www.dicktator.co.za/software.html african EFI
2017-05-09T04:59:06 < dongs> DICK TATOR? i donno.
2017-05-09T05:17:25 < dongs> keil license
2017-05-09T05:18:30 < upgrdman> nice ebike battery  https://imgur.com/XpmxzFw
2017-05-09T05:19:29 < englishman> Mouser Part #:
2017-05-09T05:19:29 < englishman> 830-MDK-ARM
2017-05-09T05:19:31 < englishman> Lifecycle: Obsolete
2017-05-09T05:19:34 < englishman> pwnt
2017-05-09T05:21:17 < jaakkos> upgrdman: a smallish Finnish e-bike importer was recently ordered to pay 1Meur because supposedly a lead battery caused a fire that burned down a guy's house
2017-05-09T05:22:14 < jaakkos> Finnish govt. product safety organization and govt. research center plus fire department said they think it's impossible
2017-05-09T05:22:30 < jaakkos> but police and court kept saying that's it
2017-05-09T05:22:36 < upgrdman> wow that sucks
2017-05-09T05:23:04 < jaakkos> some US organization that investigates these said they never saw such a case where a lead e-bike battery caused a fire
2017-05-09T05:23:57 < jaakkos> I don't think it's going to hold at the next court stage
2017-05-09T05:24:01 < upgrdman> ya unless wires/FETs shorted, i dont see a Pb battery causing a fire
2017-05-09T05:24:13 < jaakkos> but it kind of makes you think before engaging in any sort of business like that
2017-05-09T05:24:51 < jaakkos> on the bright side the company personnel are probably not accountable personally, just the company
2017-05-09T05:25:26 < jaakkos> here is the story fwiw, I know there are some fellow Finns here http://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2017/04/28/polkupyora-tuomittiin-tulipalon-sytyttajaksi
2017-05-09T05:27:57 < branjb> what's the advantages vs disadvantages of rounded vs squared pads?
2017-05-09T05:29:58 < jaakkos> the guy's story is like, he came from the grocery store and put the bike to storage, put groceries to fridge and went to check out his wife, and then suddenly the whole house was on fire
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2017-05-09T05:33:46 < upgrdman> branjb, rounded makes high-density layouts easier
2017-05-09T05:33:59 < upgrdman> but you have less copper, so its also easier to rip pads off the board
2017-05-09T05:34:01 < dongs> rounded what
2017-05-09T05:34:05 < dongs> oh
2017-05-09T05:34:07 < dongs> pads
2017-05-09T05:34:09 < upgrdman> ya
2017-05-09T05:34:22 < branjb> hmmm
2017-05-09T05:35:04 < englishman> $1m liability is like the lowest insurance level even available to buy
2017-05-09T05:42:37 < ohsix> heh i got that big serial flash junk in 13 days
2017-05-09T05:42:39 < englishman> yea
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2017-05-09T05:42:47 < englishman> selling firebikes demands a higher premium
2017-05-09T05:43:38 < ohsix> firebutt
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2017-05-09T05:45:21 < ohsix> got 6 packages today
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2017-05-09T06:15:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95YdE89nTgI
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2017-05-09T06:30:57 < ohsix> grill that onion
2017-05-09T06:31:53 < ohsix> got most of the wemos shit, and still no esp8266's olol
2017-05-09T06:31:59 < ohsix> oled got here superfast
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2017-05-09T06:45:29 < ohsix> bungled
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2017-05-09T07:13:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, oh ya so you got that doppler thing
2017-05-09T07:13:41 < upgrdman> wtf was amazing about it now?
2017-05-09T07:14:27 < dongs> autism radar
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2017-05-09T07:18:28 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieAi5kCIKG8
2017-05-09T07:22:20 < dongs> haha
2017-05-09T07:22:56 < dongs> how many tries did that takae
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2017-05-09T07:26:20 < branjb> why does grabcad always have everything but what i want
2017-05-09T07:26:24 < branjb> 2 screw terminal
2017-05-09T07:26:27 < branjb> 3 screw terminal
2017-05-09T07:26:30 < branjb> 5 screw terminal
2017-05-09T07:26:33 < branjb> 6 screw terminal
2017-05-09T07:26:38 < branjb> guess which one i want?
2017-05-09T07:26:41 < upgrdman> 4
2017-05-09T07:26:57 < dongs> what the shit is grabcad
2017-05-09T07:27:13 < dongs> Develop great products faster with 3D printing solutions, free CAD models, and access to the world's largest community of engineers, designers and ...
2017-05-09T07:27:16 < dongs> looks cancer
2017-05-09T07:27:35 < dongs> prrobably a scaper for 3dcontentcentral.com anyway
2017-05-09T07:27:38 < dongs> scraper
2017-05-09T07:27:49 < englishman> why not use the legit 3d models off of mfg site
2017-05-09T07:27:53 < dongs> ^
2017-05-09T07:27:59 < dongs> GrabCAD, Inc. is a Cambridge, Massachusetts-based startup that has created a free cloud-based collaboration solution that helps engineering teams manage, view and share CAD files.
2017-05-09T07:28:09 < branjb> because my mfg is chi min on aliexpress
2017-05-09T07:28:17 < englishman> you know you will be pro soon
2017-05-09T07:28:19 < englishman> act like one
2017-05-09T07:28:20 < dongs> grabCAD inc is a wank wankwankwa nkwank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wankw ankw ankw ank wank wank wank files.
2017-05-09T07:28:55 < englishman> synergistic agile customer-facing cad sharing
2017-05-09T07:28:59 < dongs> Number of employees: 55 (2013)
2017-05-09T07:29:04 < dongs> fifty five people
2017-05-09T07:29:06 < branjb> wtf, 3dcontentcentral.com doesn't have 4 way screw terminals either
2017-05-09T07:29:07 < dongs> what teh FUCK DO THEY DO
2017-05-09T07:29:09 < englishman> lol
2017-05-09T07:29:13 < branjb> do people not screw wires in 4's?
2017-05-09T07:30:26 < dongs> blownawayjb: i made a retarduino board the other day with 4 pin phoenix screw terminals on it, and I got the models auto generated off phoenix-contact.com
2017-05-09T07:30:31 < englishman> pebble uses grabcad
2017-05-09T07:30:39 < dongs> must be super legit
2017-05-09T07:30:43 < dongs> now that pebble is as good as DEAD
2017-05-09T07:30:50 < englishman> https://d1pspl52z5rk07.cloudfront.net/assets/production/app/illustrations/illustration-workbench-customers-7debfe953eab5c57cd61c70ae73dc7fb.jpg
2017-05-09T07:31:45 < dongs> im sure tiffany & co has all this awesome use for crapcad
2017-05-09T07:32:00 < englishman> dongs, proco is ordering 500qty of board that arrived to them last tuesday and they already blew up twice
2017-05-09T07:32:08 < englishman> i asked them if they actually wanted to fly one first
2017-05-09T07:32:39 < dongs> why test when you can just sell
2017-05-09T07:32:45 < englishman> the google way
2017-05-09T07:34:05 < englishman> bom cost is 3 digits
2017-05-09T07:35:13 < dongs> <englishman> everything from cypress sucks
2017-05-09T07:35:40 < dongs> im about to head down to okinawa for some vacation
2017-05-09T07:35:50 < branjb> psocs seem cool
2017-05-09T07:35:52 < branjb> are they shit?
2017-05-09T07:36:02 < englishman> psoc is garbage
2017-05-09T07:36:29 < englishman> this board has some cypress stuff on it. I gave it 5x vmax and it blew up. Garbage
2017-05-09T07:37:13 < englishman> its past your bedtime
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2017-05-09T07:43:29 < dongs> > I gave it 5x vmax and it blew up.
2017-05-09T07:43:32 < dongs> why does that surprise me
2017-05-09T07:43:36 < dongs> err
2017-05-09T07:43:38 < dongs> why doens't
2017-05-09T07:43:48 < dongs> you mean, it was 5V and y ou gave it 25?
2017-05-09T07:47:27 < dongs> tell that to englishLIAR then
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2017-05-09T08:23:26 < upgrdman> my dad still refuses to use microwave ovens
2017-05-09T08:27:05 < Thorn> I know some people who regularly visit relatives in Germany. those relatives turn off all mobile phones and wi-fi every night and demand that guests turn off their mobile devices also
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2017-05-09T08:33:18 < upgrdman> R2COM, the best way to determine if something is dangerous is to ask random people on irc
2017-05-09T08:33:54 < upgrdman> rite
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2017-05-09T08:39:59 < branjb> anyone wanna make fun of me and telling me what i am doing wrong? http://imgur.com/a/dclFM
2017-05-09T08:40:17 < branjb> thought i had buses in altium figured out
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2017-05-09T08:52:38 < dongs> uh
2017-05-09T08:53:34 < dongs> are you doing some crazy hierarchical stuff
2017-05-09T08:53:58 < branjb> ya
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2017-05-09T08:58:48 < dongs> http://www.elabguy.com/img/USB3.1%20Type%20C%20Male%20connector%20Breakout%20Board%20USB3.1-CM-BO-V2A_Title.JPG
2017-05-09T08:58:51 < dongs> yessssssssssssssssss
2017-05-09T08:58:51 < dongs> just waht i need
2017-05-09T08:59:07 < dongs> 10gbps over screw terminals
2017-05-09T08:59:30 < dongs> thanks, ELABYGUY.COM
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2017-05-09T09:03:38 < mtbg> R2COM: ultrasonic cleaners should me much more of a concern
2017-05-09T09:04:10 < upgrdman> dongs, lol. is that usbc connector even soldered on? look at the photo
2017-05-09T09:04:15 < mtbg> orders of magnitude higher
2017-05-09T09:05:07 < dongs> upgrdman: no i think he just shoved it on there
2017-05-09T09:05:31 < dongs> its fucking impossible to fucking find a board mount usb-c male conncetor
2017-05-09T09:05:34 < dongs> that I can actually buy
2017-05-09T09:05:52 < dongs> i already gave up on getting it SMT or through-hole. so edge mount is the only thing left
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2017-05-09T09:06:53 < upgrdman> mtbg, re: earlier photodiode stuff, this is what you meant by the pot to push the anode to 200-400mV, right?  http://imgur.com/a/es7HG
2017-05-09T09:07:06 < upgrdman> i plan to try it in the morning
2017-05-09T09:08:04 < dongs> did your pro dicknplaced pcb fail?
2017-05-09T09:08:27 < upgrdman> dongs, well it has the problem i knew it would.
2017-05-09T09:08:38 < upgrdman> my fiberoptics have shit bandwidth, adn its my fault
2017-05-09T09:09:00 < upgrdman> i know that going in, but needed a pcb because the breadboard was get unwieldy
2017-05-09T09:10:24 < dongs> https://www.yamaichi.de/uploads/media/usb-3.1-GEN2-typeC-22pin.pdf nice datasheet, fucking germans
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2017-05-09T09:16:23 < mtbg> upgrdman: yes
2017-05-09T09:16:33 < upgrdman> mtbg, ok, thanks
2017-05-09T09:16:37 < mtbg> upgrdman: and a ceramic cap
2017-05-09T09:16:42 < mtbg> from the center tap of the pot
2017-05-09T09:16:44 < upgrdman> ya between wiper and gnd
2017-05-09T09:16:45 < mtbg> to gnd
2017-05-09T09:16:48 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-09T09:17:01 < upgrdman> 100nF ok?
2017-05-09T09:17:20 < mtbg> you could also disconnect the anode of your PD and connect it directly to GND then
2017-05-09T09:17:39 < mtbg> so that it will be slightly reverse biased
2017-05-09T09:17:58 < upgrdman> ? anode was grounded to begin with
2017-05-09T09:18:21 < upgrdman> this: http://imgur.com/a/W6Rx0
2017-05-09T09:18:30 < mtbg> yes
2017-05-09T09:18:46 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/W6Rx0 is the problem circuit from this morning.
2017-05-09T09:19:35 < mtbg> but you drawn it disconnected from gnd and connected to the potentiometer, but there is another option - leaving the anode on GND and connecting just the opamp input to pot
2017-05-09T09:20:03 < mtbg> in which case the PD will be reverse biased with the voltage you set on the pot
2017-05-09T09:20:06 < mtbg> http://home.sandiego.edu/~ekim/photodiode/s0cap.gif
2017-05-09T09:20:57 < upgrdman> oh
2017-05-09T09:21:10 < mtbg> both are similar
2017-05-09T09:21:25 < mtbg> but if you can change it the other way
2017-05-09T09:21:25 < upgrdman> it's be easier for me to modify only the op amp input
2017-05-09T09:21:30 < upgrdman> i'll try that first
2017-05-09T09:21:32 < mtbg> with reverse bias
2017-05-09T09:21:38 < mtbg> then it is better to
2017-05-09T09:21:52 < upgrdman> ok
2017-05-09T09:21:56 < mtbg> it will lower the capacitance by 30-40%
2017-05-09T09:22:01 < mtbg> when set to 2V
2017-05-09T09:22:32 < upgrdman> wouldnt 2V forward bais the diode ?
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2017-05-09T09:22:43 < mtbg> anode is on ground
2017-05-09T09:22:55 < mtbg> and cathode is on higher potential than GND
2017-05-09T09:23:01 < mtbg> so it will be reverse biase
2017-05-09T09:23:01 < mtbg> d
2017-05-09T09:23:05 < upgrdman> oh ya
2017-05-09T09:23:34 < upgrdman> so it would give best performance to leave anode gnd'd, but drive op amp pos input to ~2V?
2017-05-09T09:23:49 < upgrdman> or would driving the anode to 200-400mV be better?
2017-05-09T09:24:10 < mtbg> about half the supply voltage is optimal for opamp
2017-05-09T09:24:19 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-09T09:24:20 < mtbg> and for the diode, the higher voltage the better
2017-05-09T09:24:31 < mtbg> but you lose dynamic range
2017-05-09T09:24:50 < mtbg> because opamp output will never be lower than that '+' input voltage
2017-05-09T09:25:02 < mtbg> since the diode generates only negative current
2017-05-09T09:25:06 < dongs> https://media.digikey.com/pdf/PCNs/Amphenol/PCN-C1287.pdf cunts
2017-05-09T09:25:14 < dongs> teasing with 3d model that obviosuly exists
2017-05-09T09:25:32 < dongs> now where the fuck is it
2017-05-09T09:26:19 < mtbg> there are fast sfp transceivers or other fiber cable transmitters/receivers
2017-05-09T09:26:46 < mtbg> with built in fast driver/amplifier
2017-05-09T09:26:47 < dongs> https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/Drawings/AC/STEP/12401562E4#2A.zip
2017-05-09T09:26:48 < dongs> even better
2017-05-09T09:26:49 < dongs> 404
2017-05-09T09:26:51 < dongs> fuck canada
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2017-05-09T09:40:44 < mtbg> dongs: are you using usb 3.x for something?
2017-05-09T09:41:11 < dongs> eys
2017-05-09T09:42:30 < mtbg> fpga, fx3 or something else?
2017-05-09T09:44:14 < zyp> displayport alternate mode or some shit?
2017-05-09T09:44:28 < dongs> usb-pd
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2017-05-09T09:44:45 < dongs> completed stealing usb-pd phy code from google
2017-05-09T09:45:58 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/hqtgsv17mcwy.jpg
2017-05-09T09:46:26 < dongs> sound advice
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2017-05-09T09:48:23 < dongs> haha
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2017-05-09T10:02:47 < jadew> you guys chased her off
2017-05-09T10:02:53 < dongs> "her"
2017-05-09T10:03:37 < upgrdman> <finger quotes>
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2017-05-09T10:22:07 < Steffanx> Time to get more original R2COM :)
2017-05-09T10:22:32 < dongs> new and original
2017-05-09T10:22:56 < dongs> originaids
2017-05-09T10:23:41 < Steffanx> Somehow R2COM keeps getting back to dicks , makes me wonder :D
2017-05-09T10:26:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgw7-WnsBMs senpai noticed me
2017-05-09T10:26:52 < dongs> i got a reply from some bearded arm employee
2017-05-09T10:27:46 < dongs> exactly what it is
2017-05-09T10:28:05 < dongs> its a infinite jew star
2017-05-09T10:28:48 < Steffanx> Lol we actually have a cookie called "Jews cookie" crt
2017-05-09T10:29:10 < upgrdman> is it overpriced
2017-05-09T10:29:18 < Steffanx> No?
2017-05-09T10:30:02 < Steffanx> We also had this thing which name would translate to "kiss of a nigger"
2017-05-09T10:30:09 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-09T10:31:01 < zyp> I think we have them here as well
2017-05-09T10:31:09 < zyp> jødekake
2017-05-09T10:31:26 < upgrdman> taste like watermelon and fried chicken?
2017-05-09T10:31:30 < Steffanx> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Schaumkuss-1.jpg/220px-Schaumkuss-1.jpg that thing.
2017-05-09T10:31:38 < zyp> also negerkyss
2017-05-09T10:31:43 < Steffanx> Hah :D
2017-05-09T10:31:56 < zyp> but I'm not sure how common those are anymore
2017-05-09T10:32:09 < Steffanx> Here they got in the racism boat and changed the name
2017-05-09T10:32:36 < Steffanx> Ya mate
2017-05-09T10:33:20 < Steffanx> Bye.
2017-05-09T10:33:35 < Steffanx> Hi.
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2017-05-09T10:43:05 < Steffanx> Lil Blaxter. I like that name.
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2017-05-09T10:45:16 < Steffanx> Better fix my androis issues crt. Since the upgrade to 7.1.1 some apps are extremely slow
2017-05-09T10:45:38 < Steffanx> Maybe.
2017-05-09T10:45:53 < Steffanx> No i use windows more lately
2017-05-09T10:46:02 < Steffanx> englishman converted me
2017-05-09T10:47:19 < Steffanx> Here it tends to be faster than that. But i know kinda how you can fix it crt
2017-05-09T10:48:28 < Steffanx> You need to fix sdcard driver or fs stuff. I just removed the sdcard and now its all fine and dandy.
2017-05-09T10:49:19 < Steffanx> Removed it because it became corrupted for the 3rd time
2017-05-09T10:49:33 < Steffanx> And as you are in a fixing mood, fix it :)
2017-05-09T10:51:33 < dongs> nice 'tux' license plate
2017-05-09T10:51:43 < Steffanx> Ok just install me ios then.
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2017-05-09T11:17:46 < dongs> fuck me DP/DM swapping on USB_C cable is insane
2017-05-09T11:17:55 < dongs> there's no fucking way to route that shit without 200 vias
2017-05-09T11:19:42 < zyp> what do you mean?
2017-05-09T11:19:55 < dongs> its D+/D- on top of D-/D+
2017-05-09T11:20:01 < zyp> yeah?
2017-05-09T11:20:02 < dongs> how the fuck do you make that into 2 traces
2017-05-09T11:20:10 < dongs> it doesnt work
2017-05-09T11:20:19 < zyp> are you still dicking around with the plug end?
2017-05-09T11:20:21 < zyp> i.e. dongle?
2017-05-09T11:20:24 < dongs> yes plug end
2017-05-09T11:20:37 < zyp> plugs are not supposed to wire up both
2017-05-09T11:20:39 < dongs> i even found that bullshit canadian amphenol connector
2017-05-09T11:20:49 < zyp> so you only wire up A side, leave B-side floating
2017-05-09T11:21:14 < zyp> socket is responsible for connecting A/B in parallel or muxing
2017-05-09T11:21:22 < dongs> ok fine
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2017-05-09T11:51:07 < dongs> well, tehre's no way to connect vbus together either
2017-05-09T11:57:35 < dongs> fucking faggot connector god damn
2017-05-09T12:01:07 < PaulFertser> One might think that whoever blames an industry-standard modern development for being stupid is just a short-sighted chap missing the point.
2017-05-09T12:01:39 < PaulFertser> But in fact, it's often really like that, "the industry" ends up with solutions as baroque as impractical. Or just plain moronic.
2017-05-09T12:05:02 < Thorn> is the st-link uart working in f411 disco? it's got connections from target PA2/3 to st-link PA3/2 via solder bridges and a pin header with the same lines broken out, but the manual says "SB10/11 reserved, do not modify" and I don't see a serial device appearing when connecting the onboard st-link
2017-05-09T12:07:39 < zyp> dongs, well, yeah, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/hfTY8.png comes to mind
2017-05-09T12:09:31 < zyp> I don't get how the fuck you're supposed to wire up the highspeed lanes if you need them, you need some pretty crazy via specs to get them out
2017-05-09T12:14:45 < dongs> this is with A/B on opposite sides of pCB
2017-05-09T12:14:47 < dongs> for edge connector
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2017-05-09T12:15:59 < dongs> and im actually using 2 of the high speed lanes and all theo ther shit
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2017-05-09T12:23:12 < zyp> are you doing 2L or 4L?
2017-05-09T12:23:27 < dongs> 2l + usb3
2017-05-09T12:24:02 < dongs> anyway its faggotry
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2017-05-09T13:58:21 < invzim> anyone know if 'the chinese' assembly services like pcbway/pcbcart charges extra for 0402 assembly vs 0603?
2017-05-09T13:59:26 < karlp> I bet they could tell you if you asked
2017-05-09T14:00:17 < dongs> pcbfart
2017-05-09T14:00:23 < dongs> i doubt tehy care
2017-05-09T14:00:29 < dongs> its same chinamen assembling it
2017-05-09T14:00:33 < dongs> whether its 0603 or 0402
2017-05-09T14:00:45 < dongs> by spreading your parts on the table and tweezering them
2017-05-09T14:02:03 < emeryth> *chopsticking them
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2017-05-09T15:18:39 < dongs> now i get udemy ads..
2017-05-09T15:18:40 < dongs> in japanese
2017-05-09T15:19:46 < Steffanx> You deserve it.
2017-05-09T15:21:06 < kakimir> I need small chinaese flood lights
2017-05-09T15:21:12 < kakimir> good ones
2017-05-09T15:21:35 < kakimir> size of fist about
2017-05-09T15:22:05 < kakimir> xenon would be good but I don't really have room for ballast
2017-05-09T15:22:06 < emeryth> they sell ready to go connect to 230V modules now
2017-05-09T15:22:15 < emeryth> LED I mean
2017-05-09T15:22:23 < kakimir> prefferable
2017-05-09T15:24:49 < emeryth> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LED-COB-Lamp-Chip-And-LED-Lens-Reflector-230V-110V-20W-30W-50W-For-LED-Flood/32726586175.html
2017-05-09T15:24:54 < emeryth> like this
2017-05-09T15:24:56 < Steffanx> Generator in back pack?
2017-05-09T15:25:10 < kakimir> I need some that has been tested by someone
2017-05-09T15:26:06 < Steffanx> Read feedback. Seems ok.
2017-05-09T15:27:29 < Steffanx> Its only like 3 euro, what can go wrong? In the worst case you lost one beer.
2017-05-09T15:28:03 < Steffanx> Loose.
2017-05-09T15:28:05 < Steffanx> Lose.
2017-05-09T15:28:14 < Steffanx> Whatever
2017-05-09T15:28:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E5PUnYlaTM actually somewhat interesting, of course patreon link at the end
2017-05-09T15:29:38 < kakimir> okay opened it and it's not what I need
2017-05-09T15:29:49 < kakimir> I need something I can bolt on and be done with it
2017-05-09T15:30:00 < kakimir> I don't need a kit
2017-05-09T15:30:45 < emeryth> lame
2017-05-09T15:31:02 < jadew> lol skin effect at 1 kHz
2017-05-09T15:31:11 < Steffanx> You should state your requirements before people do suggestions kakimir
2017-05-09T15:31:29 < Steffanx> Not the first time this happens :P
2017-05-09T15:32:01 < Thorn> iirc skin effect is non-negligible in power lines at 50/60Hz
2017-05-09T15:32:06 < kakimir> I didn't say kit
2017-05-09T15:32:12 < jadew> I'd like to see that measured
2017-05-09T15:33:04 < emeryth> kakimir: you also didn't say how do you want to power it
2017-05-09T15:33:05 < jadew> also, power lines have really thick wire
2017-05-09T15:33:54 < kakimir> emeryth: I didn't
2017-05-09T15:33:58 < kakimir> it's not defined
2017-05-09T15:40:50 < jadew> Thorn, his math is wrong
2017-05-09T15:41:18 < jadew> at 1 kHz you get a skin of 2mm
2017-05-09T15:41:40 < jadew> so even with 4 mm thick cable you'd still have no loss
2017-05-09T15:42:01 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium-conductor_steel-reinforced_cable#Skin_effect
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2017-05-09T16:16:27 < englishman> Steffanx: waffles are gone
2017-05-09T16:17:55 < englishman> skindepth at 60Hz is like 1cm isnt it?
2017-05-09T16:18:14 < englishman> it's always relevant
2017-05-09T16:19:17 < Steffanx> Awh.
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2017-05-09T16:27:31 < englishman> how long can usb2 run over loose wire before there's problems
2017-05-09T16:28:40 < jadew> by loose wire you mean USB cable?
2017-05-09T16:28:56 < englishman> no
2017-05-09T16:29:56 < Steffanx> Hi Lil Blaxter.
2017-05-09T16:30:52 < Steffanx> Between 0 and infinite days? (Or end of world day)
2017-05-09T16:31:02 < englishman> sigh
2017-05-09T16:32:05 < fest> englishman: I'm working on firmware for a board that's connected by 25cm loose cable
2017-05-09T16:32:10 < fest> it's usb2 fs though
2017-05-09T16:32:12 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-09T16:32:16 < englishman> usb2 is slow
2017-05-09T16:32:38 < englishman> running over shit cable for 15cm or so should be fine
2017-05-09T16:32:46 < englishman> and un-length matched
2017-05-09T16:33:46 < englishman> hmm
2017-05-09T16:33:53 < englishman> HS is 480mbps tho
2017-05-09T16:38:50 < Laurenceb_> what about a 4 cornered time cube day?
2017-05-09T16:39:18 < fest> yeah, fs is really slow
2017-05-09T16:39:40 < fest> but good enough for cdc and dfu
2017-05-09T16:42:45 < englishman> yea no this is for a camear
2017-05-09T16:43:33 < fest> I'd probably use impedance matched ffc/fpc
2017-05-09T16:43:46 < englishman> sure that's ideal
2017-05-09T16:44:47 < emeryth> use one of those chink flat ethernet cables
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2017-05-09T17:02:53 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/8p4m3RA
2017-05-09T17:02:56 < Laurenceb_> no irc:(
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2017-05-09T17:03:40 < emeryth> irc is deep web
2017-05-09T17:03:59 < englishman> no trolls on irc
2017-05-09T17:05:31 < zyp> englishman, plain usb2 cables are often pretty shit and still works
2017-05-09T17:05:38 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-09T17:05:47 < zyp> so I doubt it's a huge problem at all
2017-05-09T17:05:49 < englishman> and much longer than 15cm
2017-05-09T17:06:01 < zyp> yeah, it's specced to 5m
2017-05-09T17:06:14 < englishman> though i suspect the nonshielded wires are picking up noise from elsewhere
2017-05-09T17:06:38 < zyp> are you having problems with it?
2017-05-09T17:06:54 < englishman> well there are problems but the cause is yet unknown
2017-05-09T17:07:09 < englishman> image corruption, 2nd half of image files are all 0x00
2017-05-09T17:07:22 < englishman> i am betting on some camera buffer issue
2017-05-09T17:07:34 < englishman> but i am also betting they will blame me for usb shit
2017-05-09T17:07:39 < zyp> usb has crc, should be rather robust to noise
2017-05-09T17:07:42 < karlp> shit doesn't always still work on shitty cables.
2017-05-09T17:07:59 < zyp> i.e. either it'd work or the transfers simply won't complete
2017-05-09T17:20:44 < englishman> maybe that is what's happening, but the error is handled poorly
2017-05-09T17:20:45 < englishman> http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/angry-beaver-keeps-police-busy-1.3403353#
2017-05-09T17:25:36 < Steffanx> Angry Beaver :)
2017-05-09T17:34:24 < englishman> hmm, the cheapest cortex-m cable at digikey is $11
2017-05-09T17:34:30 < englishman> i guess im not saving money with my debug pcb
2017-05-09T17:34:53 < englishman> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1675
2017-05-09T17:35:42 < englishman> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-Pcs-1-27mm-Pitch-2x5-Pin-10-Pin-10-Wire-IDC-Flat-Ribbon-Cable-Length-20CM-/171518266443
2017-05-09T17:35:42 < englishman> aha
2017-05-09T17:35:43 < englishman> 20cm
2017-05-09T17:35:45 < englishman> getting those
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2017-05-09T17:36:19 < karlp> only thing your pcb helps with is mixnmatch days
2017-05-09T17:36:39 < englishman> i like being powered by debugger, occasionally
2017-05-09T17:37:00 < karlp> I bet that's only one cable.
2017-05-09T17:37:12 < karlp> "2 pcs" means the connector on each end I reckon
2017-05-09T17:37:15 < englishman> heh
2017-05-09T17:37:19 < englishman> anyway it'll take 3 months
2017-05-09T17:38:13 < karlp> hrm, they say 1pcs on this one, so maybe? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1Pcs-1-27mm-Pitch-10-Pin-10-Wire-Extension-IDC-Flat-Ribbon-Cable-Length-30CM/172311757347
2017-05-09T17:38:20 < englishman> amazon.ca being garbage as usual https://www.amazon.ca/Ribbon-Cables-10-pin-Socket-Socket-1-27mm/dp/B06Y1JKYZD
2017-05-09T17:39:04 < englishman> yeah the aidsfruit $3/each sets my chinaprice expectations
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2017-05-09T18:55:31 < branjb> englishman: you ever do hierchal sheets in altium?
2017-05-09T18:55:37 < englishman> no
2017-05-09T18:55:44 < englishman> usually i flatten them the fuck out
2017-05-09T18:55:59 < englishman> so only net names are needed and propagate across sheets
2017-05-09T18:56:10 < branjb> hmm
2017-05-09T18:56:14 < englishman> because connecting net names to ports becomes dumb and tedious very quicklu
2017-05-09T18:56:25 < branjb> think i am figuring that out
2017-05-09T18:56:27 < englishman> however aandrew has done lots of that (and is constantly fighting against it)
2017-05-09T18:57:19 < branjb> it seemed like it would be easier to do 4 motor drivers with hierchal because then if i wanted i could scale up/down the number per board
2017-05-09T18:57:19 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/jHhRK
2017-05-09T18:57:33 < branjb> but i end up getting duplicate net name shit
2017-05-09T18:59:56 < englishman> yeah that is exactly what it's for, combined with rooms etc
2017-05-09T18:59:58 < englishman> but i never got into it
2017-05-09T19:00:08 < englishman> and also not really seen anything irl that uses it
2017-05-09T19:00:11 < englishman> in altium or other eda
2017-05-09T19:00:29 < englishman> in my rather limited experience
2017-05-09T19:00:48 < branjb> seems a lot easier/less work to just copy paste the motor symbol and all passives however many times needed
2017-05-09T19:00:48 < branjb> lol
2017-05-09T19:01:12 < branjb> only thing is if you make a change you have to edit them all individually
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2017-05-09T20:27:38 < upgrdman> mtbg, thank you so much! put op amp + at 1/2 VDD fixed it.
2017-05-09T20:29:33 < upgrdman> now im getting 1V per 40ns (25V/us)
2017-05-09T20:29:59 < upgrdman> and going to an SMD resistor for R1 should help reduce the parasitic capacitance and imrpove things further
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2017-05-09T20:39:41 < upgrdman> pretty eye diagram too  http://imgur.com/a/iTUBP
2017-05-09T20:39:53 < upgrdman> first time i ever had to care about the eye
2017-05-09T20:43:53 < Steffanx> it's so easy englishman: http://imgur.com/gallery/tyUyh
2017-05-09T20:50:18 < Steffanx> What's this upgrdman?
2017-05-09T20:50:53 < zyp> branjb, I got some workstuff that's done with hierarchical schematics
2017-05-09T20:51:01 < zyp> I didn't do the design, I'm just doing firmware
2017-05-09T20:51:39 < upgrdman> Steffanx, photodiode -> op amp
2017-05-09T20:51:49 < upgrdman> Steffanx, for my fiber optic uart thinggy
2017-05-09T20:51:50 < zyp> but it has a schematic for a single channel, and then a REPEAT() thing in the parent schematic that makes seven instances of it
2017-05-09T20:51:55 < Steffanx> Ah ok :)
2017-05-09T20:51:58 < upgrdman> i was having problems with bandwidth
2017-05-09T20:52:33 < Steffanx> transimpedance amplifier?
2017-05-09T20:52:41 < upgrdman> yes
2017-05-09T20:52:55 < branjb> zyp i figured it out
2017-05-09T20:53:28 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i was using this http://imgur.com/a/W6Rx0  but changed it so the op amp + is at 2.5V (instead of gnd), and now my bandwidth is decent
2017-05-09T20:53:35 < zyp> it's a cute design too, round pcb with each channel arranged as a pie slice
2017-05-09T20:58:20 < sync> :)
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2017-05-09T21:01:29 < englishman> cool
2017-05-09T21:01:59 < Steffanx> in finland, yes.
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2017-05-09T21:07:27 < englishman> Laurenceb: fucking with axsem. still cannot get this shit to rx reliably
2017-05-09T21:07:40 < englishman> i think it is due to seeeekrit registers and sequences still
2017-05-09T21:17:23 < mtbg> upgrdman: nice
2017-05-09T21:17:46 < mtbg> upgrdman: you can also drive reverse bias the diode some more
2017-05-09T21:18:02 < mtbg> if you could add negative voltage generator
2017-05-09T21:18:11 < mtbg> capacitor pump or something
2017-05-09T21:30:26 < Steffanx> Isn't some random spf module stuff much easier to add to your project upgrdman?
2017-05-09T21:30:32 < Steffanx> and perhaps a bit more standar
2017-05-09T21:30:33 < Steffanx> d
2017-05-09T21:32:55 < kakimir> https://static.ylilauta.org/files/8x/orig/yvfbswz9/Terry%20A%20Davis%20gets%20a%20phonecall.mp4 to everyone here that use their own compilers NSFW
2017-05-09T21:33:06 < Steffanx> stop that guy.
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2017-05-09T21:38:54 < kakimir> is terry davis on this channel?
2017-05-09T21:40:51 < Steffanx> if he was i would kick him.
2017-05-09T21:40:59 < Steffanx> so, the answer is no.
2017-05-09T21:41:48 < qyx> what kind of pokemon is that?
2017-05-09T21:43:17 < kakimir> if it was early 90s you would actually write your own compiler if you were pro
2017-05-09T21:43:49 < Steffanx> compilers are for losers: http://www.setec.org/mel.txt
2017-05-09T21:46:54 < Thorn> that was then, and this is now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYodWEKCuGg
2017-05-09T21:47:23 < kakimir> programming nowdays is gay
2017-05-09T21:47:43 < Steffanx> Yes you are gay.
2017-05-09T21:48:02 < Steffanx> As that is still not fully accepted we cannot accept you kakimir.
2017-05-09T21:48:55 < Steffanx> i mean: Hi kakimir
2017-05-09T21:50:48 < kakimir> let's see if I get any code done today
2017-05-09T21:53:55 < Thorn> I fixed a nasty bug in my nrf24l01+ driver
2017-05-09T21:53:58 < englishman> qyx: how's your axautism project
2017-05-09T21:57:58 < qyx> englishman: not enuf time
2017-05-09T21:58:24 < qyx> I started to write a generic driver, but that was a wee ago
2017-05-09T21:58:28 < qyx> *a week
2017-05-09T21:58:39 < englishman> :(
2017-05-09T21:58:48 < englishman> did you get packets moving
2017-05-09T21:58:55 < qyx> yep, at least transmitting
2017-05-09T21:59:05 < englishman> cool
2017-05-09T21:59:15 < qyx> I stopped while trying to get rfm69 to receive ax5243 packets
2017-05-09T21:59:45 < Steffanx> is qyx also using hidden registers?
2017-05-09T22:00:22 < qyx> yes, I copypasted values generated by the AXDongLab
2017-05-09T22:00:26 < qyx> also
2017-05-09T22:00:37 < qyx> I wrote a mail to onsemi support asking for description
2017-05-09T22:00:52 < qyx> I received a link to the programming manual on their web
2017-05-09T22:01:42 < Steffanx> the manual of the actual chip or just its little borther?
2017-05-09T22:06:07 < kakimir> food paralysis
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2017-05-09T22:12:07 < qyx> I will try to reverse engineer how the registers are calculated by the software
2017-05-09T22:13:50 < englishman> heh
2017-05-09T22:13:53 < englishman> fucking on
2017-05-09T22:14:02 < englishman> did you reply to nag
2017-05-09T22:24:20 < Thorn> >To be an excellent RF engineer just click mouse
2017-05-09T22:27:35 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-DC-12V-50cm-0-5M-LED-Rigid-Strip-5630-SMD-Car-Bar-Light-Lamp-Aluminum-Shell-/182424828330 have you tried these?
2017-05-09T22:33:57 < ohsix> upgrdman: nothing, it's just all in one box and basically an arduino with sparkfun led driver breakout
2017-05-09T22:34:12 < ohsix> it's funny, but also i can just program it with the ide
2017-05-09T22:34:41 < ohsix> there are Real Products that someone doing arduino have made, but this is the first i've seen and it's actually useful 2me because of it olol
2017-05-09T22:35:52 < ohsix> soldering up ebay junk, i have some slides to make for a presentation
2017-05-09T22:36:10 < ohsix> need HOT TIPS about how many slides / items per minute
2017-05-09T22:37:06 < ohsix> where on earth is china getting all these ublox modules they're recycling
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2017-05-09T22:51:15 < ohsix> http://blog.japaric.io/fearless-concurrency/ more stm32 rustiness
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2017-05-09T23:44:19 < englishman> dammit more hidden registers
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2017-05-09T23:48:13 < zyp> *hides all englishman's registers*
2017-05-09T23:49:13 < sync> just write stuff to all registers
2017-05-09T23:49:41 < sync> did you dump all registers yet?
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2017-05-09T23:50:51 < qyx> ax registers?
2017-05-09T23:51:13 < englishman> yes
2017-05-09T23:52:17 < englishman> changed some settings and more popped up
2017-05-09T23:52:25 < qyx> lol
2017-05-09T23:55:09 < PaulFertser> ohsix: thanks for the link!
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2017-05-10T00:03:32 < Thorn> why are they calling interrupt handlers "tasks"
2017-05-10T00:03:53 < zyp> because they're using the NVIC as a task scheduler
2017-05-10T00:03:55 < Thorn> and NVIC is apparently a "hardware task scheduler"
2017-05-10T00:04:06 < Thorn> yeah that's the problem
2017-05-10T00:04:39 < zyp> I remember Laurenceb tried that some years ago
2017-05-10T00:04:51 < zyp> I think he said it worked, I called it dumb
2017-05-10T00:11:03 < ohsix> eh
2017-05-10T00:11:18 < ohsix> looks like it can just reference an interrupt
2017-05-10T00:11:41 < ohsix> oh, of course it literally says it is on top of it a little bit later
2017-05-10T00:12:09 < ohsix> the nvic does have all the requisite garbage to handle priority levels and that's where it gets' its 'guarantees' from
2017-05-10T00:14:16 < Thorn> >The receive task can now take much longer because it does parsing
2017-05-10T00:14:25 < Thorn> l0lz0rs
2017-05-10T00:45:07 < Rob235> what movie to see tonight...
2017-05-10T00:47:03 < Rob235> wow, there is nothing out right now
2017-05-10T00:47:12 < Rob235> except guardians of the galaxy
2017-05-10T00:50:18 < ReadError> blow
2017-05-10T00:52:33 < Rob235> me
2017-05-10T00:53:03 < ReadError> FBI director James Comey fired - CNN
2017-05-10T00:53:03 < ReadError> https://apple.news/A45hTkS09SNazgwk33EP3AA
2017-05-10T00:55:22 < Rob235> is trump impeached yet?
2017-05-10T00:56:11 < ReadError> I wish
2017-05-10T01:06:59 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3arLA3kt84k
2017-05-10T01:07:20 < Rob235> https://www.aol.com/article/news/2015/10/21/divers-bump-into-a-creature-so-big-it-could-inhale-a-human-being/21252261/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00002391
2017-05-10T01:12:28 < kakimir> Thorn: ?
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2017-05-10T01:14:54 < Thorn> kakimir: ?
2017-05-10T01:17:14 < kakimir> should I not keep my lipo cell in charger when I sleep?
2017-05-10T01:17:26 < kakimir> next to my bed
2017-05-10T01:17:56 < sync> only if you #yolo
2017-05-10T01:19:41 < kakimir> laptops and mobile phones have lipos being charged but almost nothing ever goes off with fire
2017-05-10T01:19:48 < kakimir> how so?
2017-05-10T01:19:56 < kakimir> and charged during nigth
2017-05-10T01:20:08 < Laurenceb_> lulz http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39845105
2017-05-10T01:20:51 < sync> laptops are almost always liion
2017-05-10T01:20:58 < sync> and they have been known to burn
2017-05-10T01:21:26 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYs4u2K_CMw
2017-05-10T01:21:54 < kakimir> in my laptop the battery is in aluminum sandwich
2017-05-10T01:22:21 < kakimir> and everything actually
2017-05-10T01:22:44 < kakimir> something comes loose or so and short circuit is real
2017-05-10T01:25:34 < kakimir> half of internal space is used by battery
2017-05-10T01:25:36 < kakimir> or more
2017-05-10T01:26:18 < kakimir> the processor board is just a slice of pcb on top of it
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2017-05-10T01:29:41 < englishman> heh Laurenceb_ this guy's ax driver is full of bugs...
2017-05-10T01:29:52 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2017-05-10T01:30:18 < Laurenceb_> oh I might have worked out why it didnt work so well
2017-05-10T01:30:33 < Laurenceb_> it was pinged from the ground every 10 minutes
2017-05-10T01:31:03 < Laurenceb_> each ping used the rx frequency offset from the reply from the last ping to retune
2017-05-10T01:31:34 < Laurenceb_> so  >~0.3ppm/ten minutes and it would fail
2017-05-10T01:31:41 < englishman> well axsem is not ***fucking*** clear on this
2017-05-10T01:31:51 < englishman> and i think my issues are in this area
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2017-05-10T01:32:13 < Laurenceb_> this is why I used silabs
2017-05-10T01:32:16 < englishman> watching the offset tracking register, it's flipping between like 200Hz and 56kHz
2017-05-10T01:32:29 < englishman> which is obviously wrong
2017-05-10T01:32:41 < englishman> well gimme a silabs with 2psk then fucker
2017-05-10T01:33:05 < englishman> plus it has "rf offset" and "frequency offset" registers and does not say what they do...
2017-05-10T01:33:06 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-05-10T01:33:14 < englishman> also in that section it's revealed there are two LOs
2017-05-10T01:33:21 < Laurenceb_> erm yeah 56khz offset would break it badly
2017-05-10T01:33:23 < englishman> as you can apply offsets to the first or second
2017-05-10T01:33:37 < englishman> well according to specan, the ~200Hz offset is correct
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2017-05-10T01:34:07 < Laurenceb_> aiui he has a lithium ion primary cell wired up to the cutdown, so he wanted to save power
2017-05-10T01:34:15 < englishman> also it is not clear *where* the offsets are applied or even if you can do that
2017-05-10T01:34:20 < Laurenceb_> so it can be triggered in a month or so
2017-05-10T01:34:33 < Thorn> are there open sores projects where people use SDRs for a custom digital link?
2017-05-10T01:34:34 < Laurenceb_> so there are no transmitted pings
2017-05-10T01:34:41 < englishman> the register generation tool sets "max rf offset" registers to zero
2017-05-10T01:34:56 < Laurenceb_> so you never know if you are tuned :S
2017-05-10T01:34:59 < englishman> and reading back, my "rf offset" register is always zero, but "frequency offset" is not
2017-05-10T01:35:57 < englishman> plus the math for "max rf offset" makes zero sense
2017-05-10T01:36:06 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/assets/flights/24/cutdown_assembled_front.jpg
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2017-05-10T01:42:17 < englishman> it appears to be very sensitive and working well
2017-05-10T01:42:24 < englishman> minimum transmit power and dummy load antennas
2017-05-10T01:42:30 < englishman> but it's very unreliable
2017-05-10T01:53:33 < englishman> should have used lolra
2017-05-10T01:57:20 < ohsix> upgrdman: beep, got time to look at slides?
2017-05-10T01:57:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya
2017-05-10T01:57:34 < ohsix> k sec
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2017-05-10T02:23:36 < Laurenceb_> was she?
2017-05-10T02:23:44 < Laurenceb_> obviously not from Tinder then
2017-05-10T02:24:24 < ohsix> shitcocks
2017-05-10T02:24:29 < ohsix> i've got like an hour to burn now haha
2017-05-10T02:24:35 < ohsix> i thought putting those slides together would take longer
2017-05-10T02:25:47 < Laurenceb_> slides on wut?
2017-05-10T02:28:35 < ohsix> 5 minute talk thing for a haxor meetup
2017-05-10T02:29:01 < ohsix> i kind of gave them the idea but even though i'm shit at the presentations and everything i wanted to be in the first one
2017-05-10T02:29:22 < ohsix> just on the rtl-sdr and a bit of radio junk
2017-05-10T02:48:57 < Laurenceb_> not lora I hope
2017-05-10T02:49:07 < Laurenceb_> not a convert to the cult of lora
2017-05-10T02:49:17 < ohsix> not yet
2017-05-10T02:49:20 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-05-10T02:49:25 < Laurenceb_> lora is a cult
2017-05-10T02:49:31 < ohsix> is it cheaper than zigbee
2017-05-10T02:49:38 < Laurenceb_> its snake oil
2017-05-10T02:50:00 < Laurenceb_> although I guess it does perform well on afc
2017-05-10T02:50:03 < ohsix> only heard the other day that people use it for satellites and rocketry
2017-05-10T02:50:09 < ohsix> afc?
2017-05-10T02:50:14 < Laurenceb_> which sats?
2017-05-10T02:50:21 < Laurenceb_> automated frequency control
2017-05-10T02:50:33 < ohsix> i didn't follow up on which
2017-05-10T02:50:35 < Laurenceb_> to correct for xtal errors
2017-05-10T02:51:04 < ohsix> just hobbyist, maybe picosat junk
2017-05-10T02:51:26 < ohsix> how does it do that, pll with automatic tone burst sync junk?
2017-05-10T02:52:04 < ohsix> was watching pager messages right after i got the sdr, it's cool
2017-05-10T02:52:23 < ohsix> i've heard about how most of these systems work but the waterfall thing and just jumping around is cool
2017-05-10T02:52:32 < Laurenceb_> silabs uses pll
2017-05-10T02:53:17 < ohsix> what time base is it using for correction
2017-05-10T02:54:10 < Laurenceb_> so with the right setup on silabs you can use a wide rx bandwidth to start with
2017-05-10T02:55:13 < Laurenceb_> then with the right pll settings you tune in using a 010101 2fsk preamble
2017-05-10T02:55:28 < ohsix> blugh finally tried to use the cp2102 serial things i bought and they're not working
2017-05-10T02:55:30 < Laurenceb_> as the pll will lock to the center
2017-05-10T02:55:37 < ohsix> right
2017-05-10T02:56:00 < ohsix> and can't they use less power by listening and only having the accurate clock after reception starts
2017-05-10T02:56:17 < Laurenceb_> lora uses a bunch of crazy decoder architecture to convert the chirp modulation to basically2PSK + and offset
2017-05-10T02:56:30 < Laurenceb_> *an offset
2017-05-10T02:56:38 < Laurenceb_> corresponding to frequency error
2017-05-10T02:58:34 < Laurenceb_> the cult bit is where lora is hyped as being amazing, but its noise performance is equivalent to 2psk
2017-05-10T02:59:02 < Laurenceb_> and its co-channel rejection and non guassian emi rejection is much worse
2017-05-10T03:00:41 < Laurenceb_> I guess if you want cheap xtal with massive drift it may work well
2017-05-10T03:00:48 < Laurenceb_>  *better
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2017-05-10T03:01:20 < Laurenceb_> but then there is sigfox which solves afc with a calling mode, and uses 2PSK+FEC
2017-05-10T03:01:27 < Laurenceb_> seems like the pro way
2017-05-10T03:01:38 < ohsix> i haven't looked into it yet
2017-05-10T03:01:52 < ohsix> waiting fo rit to get cheap, and it would be in places i'd use zigbee
2017-05-10T03:02:05 < ohsix> i've got nrf24's with pa's in them on the way tho, might not care
2017-05-10T03:02:17 < ohsix> http://www.dx.com/p/cp2102-usb-to-ttl-serial-adapter-module-for-arduino-pro-mini-lilypad-440805 this is basically the thing i've got
2017-05-10T03:02:43 < ohsix> the LED is coming on for the gps messages (which work and are received by an ftdi) how 2 test the chip itself
2017-05-10T03:07:35 < ohsix> heheh can't connect them together, one won't enumerate right if vcc is connected
2017-05-10T03:09:28 < ohsix> k they can talk to themselves over loopback, will have to find out wtf later
2017-05-10T03:09:42 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: where do i find some people being really specific about why lora sucks
2017-05-10T03:10:10 < ohsix> one of the reasons i haven't looked into it is because people are extremely vague, and dismissive in a way that suggests brand loyalty or some other garbage sentiment
2017-05-10T03:24:08 < Laurenceb_> heh I don't know
2017-05-10T03:24:19 < Laurenceb_> there is lots of badmouthing on TI forums
2017-05-10T03:25:07 < Laurenceb_> that inspired me take a look from theoretical perspective, and the criticisms make a lot sense
2017-05-10T03:26:25 < ohsix> ic
2017-05-10T03:26:30 < ohsix> so still 'too new'
2017-05-10T03:26:46 < ohsix> well random people are ending up using it for $things, probably will just come down to cost
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2017-05-10T04:57:18 < englishman> Laurenceb_: until I can get this axsem to work awesome, I'm still going to curse your name
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2017-05-10T05:18:05 < upgrdman> i like how theres a girl smiling and taking a photo  http://imgur.com/a/Wepub
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2017-05-10T06:32:45 < ohsix> och
2017-05-10T06:33:04 < ohsix> that scooter i put the hot headlight in got ran over by someone in a diabetic/seizure situation, dude totaled a lot of shit
2017-05-10T06:33:56 < ohsix> only got to go like 50 miles on it, it was fun :|
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2017-05-10T07:08:47 < englishman> crt: congrats
2017-05-10T07:09:34 < upgrdman> so you can use "-ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Wl,--gc-sections" to remove unused functions... why isnt this how things work by default?
2017-05-10T07:10:37 < englishman> do you think gcc is based in logic?
2017-05-10T07:10:46 < upgrdman> fair point
2017-05-10T07:10:57 < upgrdman> but i mean, is there any reason to leave unused stuff in?
2017-05-10T07:11:09 < upgrdman> i guess for debugging?
2017-05-10T07:15:06 < upgrdman> wtf are those connectors
2017-05-10T07:15:15 < upgrdman> on the bottom edge
2017-05-10T07:15:57 < upgrdman> ? like for clipping allegator clips to?
2017-05-10T07:16:16 < upgrdman> o
2017-05-10T07:16:54 < upgrdman> 7805 7905... lol
2017-05-10T07:17:03 < upgrdman> couldnt even upgrd to 1117?
2017-05-10T07:18:15 < upgrdman> so you made a 4ch current probe?
2017-05-10T07:19:10 < upgrdman> cool. "20A 1MHz" ... so is your board just current shunts + op amps?
2017-05-10T07:19:51 < upgrdman> well hall is nice for isolation
2017-05-10T07:19:55 < upgrdman> but how is it better
2017-05-10T07:20:17 < upgrdman> you still affect the circuit. the parasitic inductive still affect the DUT
2017-05-10T07:21:13 < upgrdman> wuts j13/14/15 on the left?
2017-05-10T07:22:03 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-10T07:25:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: putting functions in sections then telling the linker to remove unreferenced ones isn't even good (!!!!!)
2017-05-10T07:25:36 < ohsix> for final link step when you actually call ld, maybe
2017-05-10T07:26:10 < ohsix> for elf it's presumed some visible shit sticks around, or at least has something to go with the name
2017-05-10T07:26:47 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-05-10T07:27:25 < ohsix> functions with no outer module visibility can be collected/inlined in the caller / you end up not seeing them
2017-05-10T07:28:53 < ohsix> huhu @ meatup i talked about that sports radar and that i got the firmware
2017-05-10T07:29:00 < ohsix> one guy was like 'zomg gimme'
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2017-05-10T07:53:20 < ohsix> https://github.com/merbanan/rtl_433 this is kewl
2017-05-10T07:53:21 < ohsix> heheh
2017-05-10T07:53:33 < ohsix> if you go somewhere high, you'll see hundreds of them going off almost all the time
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2017-05-10T09:17:42 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOAA-19#Damage_during_manufacture
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2017-05-10T10:01:19 < upgrdman> wtf  https://www.reddit.com/r/trashy/comments/6a5kpg/meanwhile_in_arkansas/
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2017-05-10T10:08:19 < Steffanx> Somethings a better not known, upgrdman
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2017-05-10T10:09:03 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-05-10T10:12:50 < Steffanx> Cdonalds?
2017-05-10T10:14:11 < mtbg> cdonalds theorem?
2017-05-10T10:15:58 < upgrdman> wtf is cdonalds
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2017-05-10T10:27:30 < Steffanx> Sorry upgrdman, my OCD when someone says "mmm"
2017-05-10T10:28:12 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-05-10T10:29:12 < Steffanx> Especially when a USlander says it. As they are real mcdonalds fanatics.
2017-05-10T10:29:48 < upgrdman> wut. 'muricans seem to be mcdonalds fanatics?
2017-05-10T10:30:19 < upgrdman> lol. ok. for me, mcd's is like a last resort. "shit, it's 3am and only mcdonalds and dennys are open. mcd's will have to do."
2017-05-10T10:30:31 < Steffanx> How else did that hairy guy get so fat?
2017-05-10T10:30:47 < Steffanx> Not from steaks only
2017-05-10T10:30:50 < upgrdman> prolly a 6000 calorie/day diet
2017-05-10T10:31:24 < upgrdman> i wonder how much they poop. like, if youre that fat, do you fill the whole bowl every time your shit?
2017-05-10T10:32:28 < ohsix> bupp
2017-05-10T10:32:34 < Steffanx> You flush multiple times.
2017-05-10T10:32:45 < ohsix> you shit once a week
2017-05-10T10:32:48 < upgrdman> you dont like to admire your work?!
2017-05-10T10:32:59 < ohsix> and it comes out like a plug then a bag of rotted leaves
2017-05-10T10:33:07 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-10T10:33:28 < ohsix> pal of mine is into mcdonalds and brands in a slightly ironic way, it's weird but i'm playing along
2017-05-10T10:33:37 < Steffanx> Why ohsix, whyy.
2017-05-10T10:34:04 < ohsix> mostly because i find special editions of junk food and cross promotion novel enough that if i buy crap at all, that's usually what it is
2017-05-10T10:35:24 < ohsix> shit is popular
2017-05-10T10:35:32 < ohsix> shrug
2017-05-10T10:36:00 < ohsix> more popular than a sub paragraph to a fuckup moving a satellite around
2017-05-10T10:36:48 < ohsix> or this https://software.nasa.gov/
2017-05-10T10:37:50 < ohsix> shit's public domain work, just have to request some of it
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2017-05-10T10:41:07 < ohsix> with stunning names, like DOUG
2017-05-10T10:41:07 < ohsix> EDGE is a real-time 3D graphics rendering package based on the Dynamic On-board Ubiquitous Graphics
2017-05-10T10:41:07 < ohsix> (DOUG) engine. It combines key elements from software tools developed for the Space Shuttle Program
2017-05-10T10:41:08 < ohsix> and International Space Station (ISS)
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2017-05-10T10:42:43 < ohsix> Dyper: Dynamic Perimeter Enforcement ARC-16444-1
2017-05-10T10:42:53 < Steffanx> Coming up with such name is real science ohsix
2017-05-10T10:43:31 < ohsix> a network security tool that sounds like diaper and sort of works like one is great
2017-05-10T10:44:15 < ohsix> Although not well documented and originally
2017-05-10T10:44:16 < ohsix> intended to be disposable, the software has been reused.
2017-05-10T10:44:17 < ohsix> heheh
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2017-05-10T10:46:00 < ohsix> insanely specific weird stuff is my jam
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2017-05-10T10:48:56 < ohsix> dave jones is having a bit of a fit of videos today
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2017-05-10T10:54:48 < ohsix> uno wat' sucks about a-lunix though
2017-05-10T10:54:58 < ohsix> none of the FEA packages are wieldable by mere mortals
2017-05-10T10:55:25 < ohsix> you can barely find them withotu knowing a lot about the solvers and shit already
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2017-05-10T11:00:10 < ohsix> cleaning up phone, someone did this in 2015, almost a full 10 years after the season of doctor who http://i.imgur.com/xJ8VxDw.jpg
2017-05-10T11:00:18 < ohsix> someone nerdier than me
2017-05-10T11:26:34 < Lux> any tips on how to get started with libopencm3 ?
2017-05-10T11:28:06 < ohsix> get the libopencm3-examples repo and build it :p
2017-05-10T11:28:35 < ohsix> it shows how to use the build stuff you can use from it to build your own things
2017-05-10T11:29:03 < ohsix> atom (platformio) supports cm3 too but i didn't look at the samples
2017-05-10T11:51:19 < Lux> ohsix: yeah, i just figured that
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2017-05-10T11:51:37 < Lux> just didn't check it out recursive at first
2017-05-10T11:51:42 < Lux> now all works
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2017-05-10T12:06:53 < Lux> does anyone have an example on how to place a function into ram on an f4 ?
2017-05-10T12:07:13 < Lux> using gcc
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2017-05-10T12:07:55 < Lux> i don't really get what i have to change in the linkerscript and what attribute to add
2017-05-10T12:08:51 < zyp> you need a section with LMA in flash and VMA in ram, like .data
2017-05-10T12:09:11 < zyp> and you also need a section in the startup code that'll copy it from flash to ram, like .data
2017-05-10T12:09:54 < zyp> if you're lazy, you could probably just place the function in .data
2017-05-10T12:10:20 < zyp> unless you want to keep it in ccm and not normal ram
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2017-05-10T12:16:07 < Lux> ok thanks
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2017-05-10T14:44:23 < Thorn> why is nrf24l01+ so weak, only 0dBm max
2017-05-10T14:45:25 < mtbg> the lower the bitrate, the lower power you need
2017-05-10T14:47:07 < Thorn> but it can do 2Mbits
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2017-05-10T14:53:16 < zyp> throw a PA on it
2017-05-10T14:53:50 < Thorn> there are chinamodules with pa and lna
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2017-05-10T15:10:52 < Thorn> lol http://hackaday.com/2016/05/31/fixing-the-terrible-range-of-your-cheap-nrf24l01-palna-module/
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2017-05-10T15:23:13 < englishman> Thorn: yeah i have that module, it was used in some china remote controller for flying toys etc
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2017-05-10T15:30:49 < mtbg> how they switch rx/tx on such modules?
2017-05-10T15:32:35 < zyp> IIRC the transceiver can configure a pin to act as a PA enable
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2017-05-10T15:39:02 < mtbg> https://www.rfmw.com/data/RFaxis_Nordic_nRF24LE1_Range_Extension_with_RFaxis%20RFX2401_App_Note.pdf
2017-05-10T15:40:24 < mtbg> so it is VDD_PA which provides the signal to enable tx
2017-05-10T15:40:52 < mtbg> but that is not stated directly in the nrf24l01p datasheet
2017-05-10T15:42:27 < englishman> hmm yeah it's not
2017-05-10T15:42:32 < englishman> could also be inferred it's on all the time
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2017-05-10T15:52:38 < englishman> fond yes
2017-05-10T15:55:08 < englishman> rare unreleased dong pix
2017-05-10T15:55:21 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/4oFlV0O.jpg
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2017-05-10T16:13:38 < Steffanx> Can you name your new cat Lil Blaxter, englishman?
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2017-05-10T16:16:41 < englishman> lil blax
2017-05-10T16:20:44 < Steffanx> Tây Lâng?
2017-05-10T16:27:43 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaUHCesNNI
2017-05-10T16:28:27 < englishman> totally clicking
2017-05-10T16:29:31 < englishman> high quality kittens
2017-05-10T16:34:49 < Steffanx> Ya mate.
2017-05-10T16:39:16 < Thorn> >VDD_PA Power Supply Output (+1.8V) for the internal nRF24L01+ Power Amplifier. Must be connected to ANT1 and ANT2 as shown in Figure 32.
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2017-05-10T16:41:28 < jadew> check this out, yesterday the constituion of my country was changed
2017-05-10T16:41:43 < jadew> the changed the marriage law
2017-05-10T16:42:22 < jadew> instead of "between the <something like newly weds>" they made it to say "between husband and wife" :)
2017-05-10T16:42:38 < jadew> (implying gender)
2017-05-10T16:42:42 < emeryth> nice
2017-05-10T16:42:55 < emeryth> which country is that?
2017-05-10T16:42:59 < jadew> Romania
2017-05-10T16:43:23 < Thorn> https://cdn2.img.sputniknews.com/images/104914/08/1049140823.jpg
2017-05-10T16:43:38 < jadew> heh
2017-05-10T16:45:59 < jadew> I don't care either way, but it's funny considering the direction things are taking in other countries
2017-05-10T17:08:34 < Laurenceb_> surely the simple way is to separate "civil" and religious marriage
2017-05-10T17:08:44 < Laurenceb_> being serious for a moment
2017-05-10T17:08:55 < Laurenceb_> then nobody can get pissed
2017-05-10T17:09:12 < Laurenceb_> are you in UK?
2017-05-10T17:10:09 < Laurenceb_> I have been known to hang out in Derby
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2017-05-10T17:13:10 < Laurenceb_> aiui you are heading to Merseyside?
2017-05-10T17:13:24 < Laurenceb_> to meet with Arlan robotics amirite?
2017-05-10T17:16:11 < Laurenceb_> touch base??
2017-05-10T17:16:39 < Laurenceb_> http://mftrou.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/buzz-word-bingo1.jpg
2017-05-10T17:19:10 < Laurenceb_> hmm interesting
2017-05-10T17:19:12 < Laurenceb_> https://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/UBSEDS24#g/temperature_internal,altitude
2017-05-10T17:19:31 < Laurenceb_> ubseds24 uplink last packet was at 6km altitude
2017-05-10T17:20:02 < Laurenceb_> same point where temperature decrease rate increases
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2017-05-10T17:24:34 < Steffanx> Magic
2017-05-10T17:36:32 < Laurenceb_> hmmm I think I have all the info to say why ubseds uplink broke
2017-05-10T17:36:58 < Laurenceb_> github has bom+codez and x-f.lv has timestamped raw data
2017-05-10T17:37:01 < Laurenceb_> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1804154.pdf?_ga=2.14405172.2065799900.1494426715-2045544083.1476870749
2017-05-10T17:37:05 < Laurenceb_> thetcxo
2017-05-10T17:38:27 < englishman> Laurenceb_: in many places they are separate
2017-05-10T17:38:47 < Laurenceb_> what are?
2017-05-10T17:39:31 < dongs> PaulFertser: did yall get trolled by 'LegalGuy' perhaps in openocd?
2017-05-10T17:42:30 < karlp> dongs: a bit, legalguy wass't very friendly
2017-05-10T17:42:44 < dongs> ya hes a cock
2017-05-10T17:43:16 < karlp> had a legitimate problem, buyt wasn't exactly going about getting help in a productive manner, let's say.
2017-05-10T17:44:18 < dongs> i don't disagree about gpio changing new pants every few months but whatever, not like I actually have to  use it
2017-05-10T17:44:43 < karlp> oh, the gpio thing was just trolling
2017-05-10T17:45:31 < karlp> they had some issue with multiple targets and running a command intended for the aarch64 portion against the cortex-m portion instead.
2017-05-10T17:45:47 < karlp> legalguy some friend of yours?
2017-05-10T17:45:52 < dongs> yea
2017-05-10T17:45:56 < dongs> unforunately
2017-05-10T17:46:42 < karlp> problem seemed real, but the trolling and manner probably didn't push the problem to the top of anyones list of things to do :)
2017-05-10T17:47:31 < dongs> its probably legit - hes doing some bullshit custom cortex-m core on fpga tho thats probably unrelated and aarch shit was just about some shitty cortex Awhatever devboard he was trying to hax0r
2017-05-10T17:49:31 < dongs> is temples opensores?
2017-05-10T17:49:34 < dongs> templeos
2017-05-10T17:50:55 < Laurenceb_> aiui yes
2017-05-10T17:51:01 < Laurenceb_> englishman: http://www.electronicproducts.com/images2/f52card0599.gif
2017-05-10T17:51:12 < Laurenceb_> think I know why their uplink failed
2017-05-10T17:52:13 < dongs> http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Web/LineRep.html#l549
2017-05-10T17:52:19 < dongs> 0000 booot shit is all binary
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2017-05-10T17:57:50 < englishman> Laurenceb_: +- 2ppm? with fsk? should not be an issue
2017-05-10T17:58:40 < englishman> also, you suck, lora is awesome, why am i wasting my time with this 2psk autism that will never work from a company that doesnt exist
2017-05-10T18:02:03 < Laurenceb_> englisman: aiui >+-0.3ppm would break their afc
2017-05-10T18:02:26 < Laurenceb_> and they were only pinging it every 15 minutes or so
2017-05-10T18:02:54 < englishman> 300ppb?????????
2017-05-10T18:03:02 < jpa-> what are we talking about?
2017-05-10T18:03:05 < englishman> this is utter trash then
2017-05-10T18:03:22 < englishman> ax5243
2017-05-10T18:03:24 < englishman> jpa
2017-05-10T18:03:35 < Steffanx> Stop using it
2017-05-10T18:03:42 < englishman> i will
2017-05-10T18:03:45 < englishman> im going with LoRA
2017-05-10T18:03:48 < englishman> fuck Laurenceb_
2017-05-10T18:03:49 < Steffanx> Use proper documented ics
2017-05-10T18:03:51 < Steffanx> Good
2017-05-10T18:04:06 < Steffanx> ST nucleo lora board?
2017-05-10T18:04:23 < jpa-> you call lora documented? :)
2017-05-10T18:04:35 < englishman> jpa clearly you have not seen my rants over the last 5 weeks
2017-05-10T18:04:47 < englishman> ON told me to type a secret number into their register generation tool to enable features
2017-05-10T18:04:57 < englishman> after emailing them and bitching
2017-05-10T18:05:16 < jpa-> yeah saw that, but doesn't make lora great either on that aspect :P
2017-05-10T18:05:35 < englishman> at least more than 3 people are using it (2 in this chan, and only 1 has successfully RXd)
2017-05-10T18:05:49 < jpa-> true
2017-05-10T18:06:16 < Steffanx> Jpa- did lorawan certification iirc
2017-05-10T18:06:23 < karlp> lora meets official internet hype standards too.
2017-05-10T18:06:44 < englishman> i think i will email ON and tell them my plan
2017-05-10T18:06:51 < englishman> hopefully i can make someone feel bad if only for a moment
2017-05-10T18:07:06 < karlp> what are you trying to set up anyway?
2017-05-10T18:07:14 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, though i'm surprised you know/remember :P
2017-05-10T18:07:17 < englishman> autismnet
2017-05-10T18:07:25 < karlp> lora is all about base stations and shitty nodes and requiring you to have the fucking base stations deployed
2017-05-10T18:07:27 < Steffanx> Pro stalker
2017-05-10T18:08:23 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-05-10T18:08:28 < Steffanx> I wasnt on irc once and needed some info, so i googled your name
2017-05-10T18:08:44 < jpa-> ah, best way to find any info, googling my name :D
2017-05-10T18:08:45 < Laurenceb_> of course you are going to need 300ppb to do low bps 2FSK
2017-05-10T18:08:51 < Laurenceb_> why is this news
2017-05-10T18:09:07 < Steffanx> First page hit was some pdf
2017-05-10T18:09:33 < Steffanx> Failed to remember your website name jpa-  :P
2017-05-10T18:10:09 < Laurenceb_> the reason the ubseds24 uplink failed is because they do afc using the last uplinked packet
2017-05-10T18:10:20 < Laurenceb_> with 15 minutes between packets
2017-05-10T18:10:58 < Laurenceb_> as soon as they hit a point on this graph where temperature slew rate*tcxo slew rate > 300ppb/15minutes its going to break
2017-05-10T18:11:07 < Laurenceb_> http://www.electronicproducts.com/images2/f52card0599.gif
2017-05-10T18:12:49 < Laurenceb_> this problem is solvable using the afc on the transceiver, but you need to use a fairly long preamble of 010101010 with a wide (+-2ppm or so) rx filter and afc pll configured to have relatively low loop bandwidth
2017-05-10T18:13:00 < tpw_rules> lora is good
2017-05-10T18:13:11 < Laurenceb_> so it locks onto the centre of the two carriers
2017-05-10T18:13:37 < Laurenceb_> this is how I got +-2ppm pullin working on silabs with 200bps data at 434mhz
2017-05-10T18:13:48 < jpa-> if it can find the carrier with wide filter, why does it need to use so narrow a filter on the data reception?
2017-05-10T18:13:56 < Laurenceb_> overall link budget and tolerance is then as good as lora
2017-05-10T18:14:06 < Laurenceb_> with way way better emi tolerance
2017-05-10T18:14:34 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: as a wide filter allows through lots of noise,so your  BER goes way up
2017-05-10T18:14:47 < Laurenceb_> the pll basically acts as a noise filter
2017-05-10T18:15:05 < jpa-> hmm yeah, makes sense
2017-05-10T18:15:35 < englishman> yeah Laurenceb_
2017-05-10T18:15:39 < englishman> thats what afc is for
2017-05-10T18:15:43 < englishman> so you dont need 300ppb.
2017-05-10T18:15:52 < englishman> you can use +-20ppm xtals
2017-05-10T18:15:53 < Laurenceb_> the only think lora does v v well is afc
2017-05-10T18:16:08 < Laurenceb_> thats why it "looks" good for low data rate comms
2017-05-10T18:16:19 < jpa-> the only thing that is hard about cheap long distance communication is frequency offset ;)
2017-05-10T18:16:22 < englishman> so you mean lora is good irl? and 2psk is good in magical fairy land / academia?
2017-05-10T18:16:37 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: yes that 100%
2017-05-10T18:16:49 < Laurenceb_> lora is 2psk+fec
2017-05-10T18:16:58 < englishman> lora is not 2psk
2017-05-10T18:17:06 < Laurenceb_> stuck through a weird co-ordinate transform thing
2017-05-10T18:17:39 < Laurenceb_> but as far as AWGN/BER goes its the same as 2PSK
2017-05-10T18:17:51 < englishman> maybe this chip would work if i was a phd student and had 7 years to work on it
2017-05-10T18:17:55 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-05-10T18:17:59 < englishman> but i live in real life unlike Laurenceb_ and will move to lora
2017-05-10T18:18:11 < tpw_rules> englishman: just use lora. be mindful of the trillion parameters tho
2017-05-10T18:18:25 < Laurenceb_> I'd just use the two filter settings mode
2017-05-10T18:18:40 < Laurenceb_> thats how I made silabs work well
2017-05-10T18:18:56 < Laurenceb_> and it seems ax**** hassimilar
2017-05-10T18:20:48 < englishman> surely by now there are over9000 projects i can copypaste
2017-05-10T18:21:11 < tpw_rules> englishman: also lmk what chips you find that do it
2017-05-10T18:21:21 < tpw_rules> microchip's rn2903 promises the world but actually sucks?
2017-05-10T18:22:05 < englishman> looking at semtech
2017-05-10T18:22:13 < englishman> i think i had one already picked out
2017-05-10T18:22:13 < tpw_rules> well they're the OEM for all the chips
2017-05-10T18:22:20 < englishman> heh really
2017-05-10T18:22:24 < tpw_rules> all of em have semtech chips inside. they have the patent on it
2017-05-10T18:22:43 < tpw_rules> but the rn2903 is like a lora xbee kind of
2017-05-10T18:22:43 < englishman> back to the drawing board, thanks Laurenceb_
2017-05-10T18:22:54 < tpw_rules> fcc certified module that takes care of it and also talks lorawan
2017-05-10T18:23:21 < englishman> oh the modules
2017-05-10T18:23:22 < englishman> yeah
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2017-05-10T18:23:24 < englishman> all semtech
2017-05-10T18:23:26 < englishman> ST too
2017-05-10T18:23:41 < tpw_rules> i thought only semtech made lora chips
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2017-05-10T18:42:13 < karlp> dongs: your friend is getting their issue worked on after all http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4130/
2017-05-10T18:53:31 < jadew> Laurenceb, they already are separated
2017-05-10T18:53:57 < jadew> this is for civil marriages
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2017-05-10T18:54:56 < karlp> well, great day.  submitted patches to two projects. no substantial progress on my own issues :|
2017-05-10T18:55:33 < jadew> I'm in the same boat, I'm almost done writing a plugin for atom
2017-05-10T18:56:07 < jadew> it doesn't have smart tabs support out of the box
2017-05-10T18:56:22 < jadew> and the plugins that claim to do that are buggy as hell
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2017-05-10T18:58:42 < karlp> everything you say about atom makes it sound like something I wouldn't even consider openinning, let alone developing plugins for.
2017-05-10T18:59:02 < englishman> why are you using atom and not elixpad
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2017-05-10T19:37:29 < tpw_rules> is it possible for the microcontroller to be wedged enough that a debugger can't attach?
2017-05-10T19:37:40 < tpw_rules> i just made a basic basic program which doesn't do anything but sw4stm32 can't debug it
2017-05-10T19:38:04 < tpw_rules> i get a timeout during launch. i can flash other firmwares and they debug fine so idk if it's a problem with the code or the configuration
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2017-05-10T19:38:48 < englishman> sure, you can disable the SWD pins in software, so they can't be used
2017-05-10T19:39:00 < englishman> try connect-under-reset mode in your debugger, or hold down the reset button if there is one
2017-05-10T19:39:12 < karlp> sleep modes will do that too often
2017-05-10T19:39:25 < englishman> oh yeah, unless you enable sleep-mode debugging in DBGMCU
2017-05-10T19:39:34 < tpw_rules> how do i tell openocd to do that. the physical reset line is connected from the st-link to the micro
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2017-05-10T19:41:04 < englishman> hey Laurenceb
2017-05-10T19:41:09 < englishman> this shit is working great in 2fsk
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2017-05-10T19:49:35 < PaulFertser> tpw_rules: "reset_config srst_only connect_assert_srst"
2017-05-10T19:50:01 < tpw_rules> i have "reset_config srst_only srst_nogate
2017-05-10T19:50:02 < tpw_rules> "
2017-05-10T19:50:24 < PaulFertser> tpw_rules: if you want to be able to attach every time, add connect_assert_srst
2017-05-10T19:50:58 < tpw_rules> didn't help
2017-05-10T19:51:23 < PaulFertser> Didn't help with attaching? Are you using original stlink?
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2017-05-10T19:51:35 < tpw_rules> i'm using an stm32l0 discovery board's st link mode
2017-05-10T19:51:55 < tpw_rules> with other projects, i can debug every time
2017-05-10T19:52:19 < PaulFertser> Can you make sure the SRST line is not getting pulled by the target side of the disco board?
2017-05-10T19:52:56 < tpw_rules> it's not
2017-05-10T19:53:01 < tpw_rules> that was a problem before but i fixed it
2017-05-10T19:54:39 < tpw_rules> i'm not super convinced my code is even running. i'm turning on GPIOC by setting the appropriate bit in RCC->IOPENR and then setting a pin to output mode
2017-05-10T19:54:43 < PaulFertser> tpw_rules: if you start with -d3 you'll see the debug log which says when it pulls srst.
2017-05-10T19:56:53 < tpw_rules> oh hm apparently it's gdb failing to connect to openocd
2017-05-10T19:57:26 < tpw_rules> guh eclipse is so useless
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2017-05-10T20:00:55 < tpw_rules> okay i just duplicated a working configuration and now it works
2017-05-10T20:01:00 < tpw_rules> despite being configured identically
2017-05-10T20:02:05 < tpw_rules> computers
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2017-05-10T20:06:02 < tpw_rules> everybody loves computers
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2017-05-10T21:09:43 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5ca6Hsb2Q special music for kakimir. ( because guy died )
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2017-05-10T21:27:28 < kakimir> I need fat
2017-05-10T21:27:54 < sync> phatt bass?
2017-05-10T21:28:25 < kakimir> food from local grill prefferably
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2017-05-10T22:08:06 < englishman> Laurenceb: still issues with sequencing on 2fsk
2017-05-10T22:08:09 < englishman> and not getting good range
2017-05-10T22:08:13 < englishman> still going to move to lora
2017-05-10T22:09:59 < kakimir> Steffanx: robert miles död?
2017-05-10T22:11:28 < Steffanx> Ya mate.
2017-05-10T22:13:08 < Tectu> that is not very STM32 related, kakimir
2017-05-10T22:13:33 < kakimir> what exactly?
2017-05-10T22:13:40 < Steffanx> [20:09:43] <Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5ca6Hsb2Q special music for kakimir. ( because guy died ). Tectu.
2017-05-10T22:13:48 < gxti> F
2017-05-10T22:14:07 < kakimir> blease highlight all the unrelated lines I have sent here
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2017-05-10T22:15:50 < kakimir> ;)
2017-05-10T22:17:24 < Steffanx> webgrep -r kakimir http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/
2017-05-10T22:17:33 < Steffanx> and that nick you had before it.. what was it again?
2017-05-10T22:18:18 < kakimir> kakeman
2017-05-10T22:18:25 < Tectu> kackeman
2017-05-10T22:18:31 < Tectu> yeah that
2017-05-10T22:18:38 < kakimir> kake was a lie
2017-05-10T22:19:06 < kakimir> kikeman
2017-05-10T22:19:31 -!- kakimir is now known as kakeman
2017-05-10T22:20:00 < kakeman> I don't seriosly remember what for I was kakimir
2017-05-10T22:20:24 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-05-10T22:20:26 < kakeman> some joke I guess
2017-05-10T22:21:45 < Steffanx> I've seen so many people and nicks come and go.. even i dont remember them all :P
2017-05-10T22:22:19 < Tectu> is the father steffanx image still around?
2017-05-10T22:22:28 < Steffanx> Yes
2017-05-10T22:22:41 < kakeman> I only remember 5latest active nicks or so
2017-05-10T22:22:49 < kakeman> if I need to list them
2017-05-10T22:23:30 < Steffanx> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/family-photo.jpg
2017-05-10T22:23:34 < Steffanx> ^ Tectu
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2017-05-10T22:24:29 < Tectu> how's r2rage these days?
2017-05-10T22:24:33 < Steffanx> Same.
2017-05-10T22:24:52 < Steffanx> Thinks he is cool, but still picks his noise.
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2017-05-10T22:25:09 < Steffanx> And Rob235 is still seeking attention.
2017-05-10T22:25:18 < Rob235> ?
2017-05-10T22:25:20 < Tectu> how's VapeClub?
2017-05-10T22:25:30 < Rob235> I havent touched a vape in over a month
2017-05-10T22:25:36 < Steffanx> Talking about family photo Rob235.
2017-05-10T22:25:36 < Tectu> good.
2017-05-10T22:25:58 < Tectu> also, I don't support your barefootness, Rob235
2017-05-10T22:26:17 < Steffanx> I also found a candidate for that indian looking guy between you and jpa-, Tectu. It's Streaker.
2017-05-10T22:26:20 < Rob235> I must be a hippie
2017-05-10T22:26:41 < Tectu> who on earth is Streaker?
2017-05-10T22:26:50 < Steffanx> our indian ##stm32 fanatic
2017-05-10T22:26:55 < Steffanx> Rob235: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wSr7h_pjxs
2017-05-10T22:27:02 < Tectu> "the new guy"?
2017-05-10T22:27:11 < Tectu> Steffanx, how about wanderman?
2017-05-10T22:27:28 < Steffanx> I dont know what people from the maladives look like
2017-05-10T22:28:06 < Steffanx> but that weirdly smiling guy between crt and kakeman would do.
2017-05-10T22:28:20 < Rob235> grr is there anyway to speed up a prior authorization for a rx
2017-05-10T22:28:31 < Steffanx> wut Rob235?
2017-05-10T22:28:47 < englishman> Russians are the smartest people. Ask any one, they'll tell you.
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2017-05-10T22:29:13 < Rob235> insurance companies in the US sometimes require prior authorization (the doctor has to tell the insurance company why that med is needed) to try to save money
2017-05-10T22:29:38 < Steffanx> Hows obama care?
2017-05-10T22:29:49 < Tectu> s/obama/trump/g
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2017-05-10T23:03:06 < tpw_rules> Rob235: if they don't reject it entirely 🙃
2017-05-10T23:03:15 < Rob235> they wont
2017-05-10T23:03:21 < tpw_rules> they did mine
2017-05-10T23:05:31 < tpw_rules> $300/mo to keep myself sane
2017-05-10T23:05:32 < tpw_rules> wheeeeee
2017-05-10T23:05:52 < Rob235> sucks
2017-05-10T23:06:07 < Rob235> I knew this was going to be a prior auth but im 99% sure it will go through, just gotta wait it out
2017-05-10T23:15:29 < Rob235> I ordered 2 10mm CF tubes to replace one of the landing gear skids on my drone because it cracked in half (these 10mm tubes are shit), I saw a 2 pack for $6 so I got it thinking id have an extra, but a few days ago my gf knocked my drone off the bed and broke the other one :P
2017-05-10T23:16:24 < Rob235> I'm not putting the new ones on until I go flying
2017-05-10T23:16:40 < Steffanx> GF you said?
2017-05-10T23:16:48 < Rob235> yes
2017-05-10T23:17:31 < Steffanx> So it's all fine and dandy again?
2017-05-10T23:17:38 < Rob235> oh I got into that? haha
2017-05-10T23:17:49 < Rob235> yea things are good... for now
2017-05-10T23:18:03 < Steffanx> Yes, you drank to much.
2017-05-10T23:18:06 < Steffanx> *too
2017-05-10T23:18:14 < Rob235> that happens
2017-05-10T23:19:05 < Steffanx> lol, you really dont remember?
2017-05-10T23:19:11 < Rob235> nope :)
2017-05-10T23:19:14 < Steffanx> Damn
2017-05-10T23:19:26 < Rob235> if I'm talking like that you can bet I'm blacked out
2017-05-10T23:20:09 < Rob235> even if my typing is perfect
2017-05-10T23:20:16 < Rob235> that usually doesn't change
2017-05-10T23:20:54 < Steffanx> lolyou.
2017-05-10T23:21:06 < Rob235> :)
2017-05-10T23:21:06 < Rob235> brb dishes
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2017-05-11T00:34:56 < jsoft_> Im dealing with an stm32F051R8, and I would rather enjoy to use a 32 bit timer (TIM2/TIM3) to drive the DAC, but based only on the HSI somehow. Am I correct in my reading that I cannot do this?
2017-05-11T00:35:08 < jsoft_> It seems to only want external events to drive it
2017-05-11T00:35:20 < jsoft_> ( the TIM2/TIM3 that is )
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2017-05-11T00:53:13 < englishman> should be fine on HSI, external events/triggers are different than a timer clock source
2017-05-11T00:53:39 < englishman> and, i think only tim2 is 32bit
2017-05-11T00:54:39 < englishman> although for as how they are routed to the DAC, that's different, i'm unsire
2017-05-11T00:54:45 < englishman> i think there is only one timer connected to the DAC
2017-05-11T00:56:44 < englishman> ah no, there is an internal line from TIM2&3, TIM2_TRGO
2017-05-11T01:03:22 < Getty> I always thought that thing is a joke and was just made to be used in funny jokes on TV, but that is seriously a product......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUuwEq98ByM
2017-05-11T01:04:30 < Getty> wait wait... that is even a market.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg-KpT9RNXE
2017-05-11T01:05:28 < Getty> and in netherlands they make it with ebike integrated...
2017-05-11T01:11:02 < Thorn> you can buy solar powered flashlights too
2017-05-11T01:12:01 < Getty> yeah ok but they work at least in the dark ;)
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2017-05-11T02:02:35 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/thumb/74d97b01ea/15907_md.JPG
2017-05-11T02:02:38 < Thorn> http://68.media.tumblr.com/0b28bb9d47a54ef8b9e33074394f8763/tumblr_oon25rZBb31rhn6zno1_1280.jpg
2017-05-11T02:04:51 < Laurenceb_> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXxzXFCYmPw
2017-05-11T02:06:11 < branjb> was it crt that used altium with hierchial sheets?
2017-05-11T02:06:49 < branjb> hmm
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2017-05-11T02:38:04 < englishman> Laurenceb_: deployed axsem with 2FSK
2017-05-11T02:38:37 < englishman> Laurenceb_: lol plz channel hopping, such noob stuff
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2017-05-11T03:00:02 < Laurenceb_> heh it works
2017-05-11T03:00:19 < Laurenceb_>  -135dBm O_o
2017-05-11T03:00:44 < Laurenceb_> what are you actually trying to make?
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2017-05-11T03:03:44 < Thorn> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/16/62/e31662bc0d2cf2fafa851175c911ea9c.jpg
2017-05-11T03:04:45 < aandrew> what the fuck altium
2017-05-11T03:04:52 < aandrew> layout has the designators the way I want it
2017-05-11T03:04:58 < aandrew> design -> update schematic
2017-05-11T03:05:13 < aandrew> schematic has different designator numbers but the correct ones in faded superscript
2017-05-11T03:05:17 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/74d97b01ea/15916.jpg
2017-05-11T03:05:20 < aandrew> project->recompile doesn't fix this shit
2017-05-11T03:05:21 < aandrew> wtf
2017-05-11T03:05:51 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/74d97b01ea/15842.png
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2017-05-11T03:34:58 < upgrdman> any verilog pros awake?
2017-05-11T03:35:07 < upgrdman> ##fpga is asleep
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2017-05-11T03:46:32 < upgrdman> nm
2017-05-11T03:53:06 < Laurenceb_> https://imgtc.com/i/En3px3y.jpg
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2017-05-11T04:14:19 < englishman> hmm si7020 reading 80% humidity
2017-05-11T04:14:21 < englishman> quite impossible
2017-05-11T04:14:31 < englishman> other sensors in the area reading typical 50%
2017-05-11T04:15:34 < branjb> upgrdman i'm a verilog n00b
2017-05-11T04:15:40 < branjb> but i still want to hear your Q
2017-05-11T04:16:08 < englishman> id be quite surprised if you got any useful feedback from ##fpga at any hour
2017-05-11T04:19:07 < branjb> i'm not that familiar with tcp/ethernet stack and lwip, if i'm using interrupts for frames, will it only fire when a packet addressed to the MCUs IP comes through, or does it fire for all traffic?
2017-05-11T04:20:16 < aandrew> branjb: depends on if you have the MAC set up for promiscuous mode
2017-05-11T04:20:28 < aandrew> normally it'll just interrupt on broadcast and frames with your MAC
2017-05-11T04:20:37 < branjb> cool
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2017-05-11T05:24:42 < branjb> if pin 1 is in the top left, what side is the shroud on a jtag header?
2017-05-11T05:27:59 < englishman> wat
2017-05-11T05:29:47 < branjb> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=1175-1627-ND
2017-05-11T05:30:05 < aandrew> look carefully at the part
2017-05-11T05:30:11 < aandrew> there will be an arrow moulded into the plastic
2017-05-11T05:30:20 < aandrew> in fact on the digikey pic you can see it
2017-05-11T05:30:29 < aandrew> in the pic on that URL pin one is the front left
2017-05-11T05:30:29 < branjb> ahhh
2017-05-11T05:30:30 < englishman> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2017-05-11T05:30:31 < branjb> gracious
2017-05-11T05:32:04 < aandrew> if I were you though I might suggest using a different connector
2017-05-11T05:32:12 < aandrew> 0.100" is HUGE
2017-05-11T05:32:34 < aandrew> better to use a 0.050", let me look up the part I use, moment
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2017-05-11T05:33:01 < aandrew> CNC Tech (same mfg) 3220-10-0300-00
2017-05-11T05:35:54 < branjb> what is that .1", the height?
2017-05-11T05:36:00 < branjb> they look like the same size to me
2017-05-11T05:36:18 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/6mzlo98gjpwy.jpg
2017-05-11T05:38:28 < aandrew> oh
2017-05-11T05:38:29 < aandrew> nevermind
2017-05-11T05:38:33 < aandrew> that is 0.050, my mistake
2017-05-11T05:38:53 < branjb> only difference i see is through hole vs smt
2017-05-11T05:40:02 < aandrew> right
2017-05-11T05:40:07 < aandrew> I thought that was an 0.100" pitch part
2017-05-11T05:40:58 < branjb> ahh
2017-05-11T05:40:59 < englishman> snapchat hq, a 20 billion dollar company https://i.redd.it/9nk5u46j4rwy.jpg
2017-05-11T05:41:09 < englishman> Many employees aren’t even aware where their colleagues or other Snap buildings are located. The only clue that a building belongs to Snap is usually a small ghost — the company’s iconic “Ghostface Chillah” logo — etched onto the front door. When CEO Evan Spiegel travels between his company's scattered outposts, he normally has a Range Rover with
2017-05-11T05:41:09 < englishman> a private driver transport him from building to building.
2017-05-11T05:41:52 < branjb> why are all those shitty web 2.0 CEOs so austistic?
2017-05-11T05:53:17 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-Bomb-Making-Equipment-Timer-Fuse-Remote-Control-Syria-ISIS/32719670355.html
2017-05-11T06:07:11 < upgrdman> coffee dispenser http://imgur.com/ijBxNCy
2017-05-11T06:09:28 < branjb> fishy coffee
2017-05-11T06:11:51 < upgrdman> extra protein
2017-05-11T06:29:13 < branjb> https://www.reddit.com/r/ECE/comments/6af8j9/can_anyone_recommend_a_software_that_does_the/
2017-05-11T06:29:46 < englishman> reddit links, dude
2017-05-11T06:29:53 < englishman> didnt even have to click to know it's retardo content
2017-05-11T06:30:21 < branjb> dongs would like it
2017-05-11T06:47:24 < englishman> dirty druggie
2017-05-11T06:57:55 < ohsix> haww ssh keys! feel dumb for not setting this up before. i'd forgotten that i had until i didn't need to enter a password for irc
2017-05-11T06:58:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: lightning talk went gr8
2017-05-11T06:58:11 < ohsix> it was kewl
2017-05-11T06:58:47 < ohsix> yesterday i got to try it out for time to an audience that knew about it and i got a few suggestions
2017-05-11T06:58:50 < ohsix> also had a second left
2017-05-11T06:59:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, lightning?
2017-05-11T06:59:10 < ohsix> the thing those slides were for
2017-05-11T06:59:19 < ohsix> 5 minute presentations in rapid succession
2017-05-11T07:01:22 < ohsix> start a nerd club, they're great
2017-05-11T07:03:42 < ohsix> huh neat
2017-05-11T07:03:55 < ohsix> rtl can pick up someone elses weather station, don't need to have my own :o
2017-05-11T07:04:15 < ohsix> it is sending the temp pretty regularly too
2017-05-11T07:04:57 < ohsix> need to get a directional antenna so i can find the pager transmitters and shit that are just weird & all over
2017-05-11T07:07:12 < ohsix> hehe AcuRite Rain Gauge Total Rain is 482.5mm
2017-05-11T07:38:59 < ohsix> the google v. microsoft infosec war is pretty funny
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2017-05-11T08:05:41 < upgrdman> anyone know of a butane soldering iron that isnt thick as fuck
2017-05-11T08:06:13 < upgrdman> theyre all like 25-40mm thick. wtf cant they make them 15-20mm like a pencil torch is
2017-05-11T08:27:06 < englishman> garbage
2017-05-11T08:27:10 < englishman> ts100 or /part
2017-05-11T08:27:49 < englishman> to shrink heatshrink they are ok tho
2017-05-11T08:28:07 < PeterM> you use the exhaust though
2017-05-11T08:28:25 < PeterM> because fuck changing tips  on them
2017-05-11T08:34:44 < ohsix> and they're not for fine work
2017-05-11T08:34:52 < ohsix> emergency shit when you're 400 miles from something
2017-05-11T08:35:16 < ohsix> those usb ones are shit but usable, moreso than gas imo
2017-05-11T08:35:57 < ohsix> and there's that stm32&oled one that's kind of legit and runs off of a wide input voltage / can use laptop power supplies that are easy to carry
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2017-05-11T08:43:14 < ohsix> boop doop coop joop
2017-05-11T08:43:31 < ohsix> upgrdman: i'll be at the san mateo maker faire
2017-05-11T08:43:42 < ohsix> have you been to one of these things before?
2017-05-11T08:45:41 < ohsix> — No outside food or beverages are permitted through the gates unless you have special medical, dietary, or religious requirements. A wide variety of for-purchase food options will be available.
2017-05-11T08:45:43 < ohsix> ha
2017-05-11T08:45:45 < ohsix> 10 dollar water
2017-05-11T08:51:36 < upgrdman> ohsix,  i have never been
2017-05-11T08:51:49 < upgrdman> shame thats so far away from me or i'd be tempted to go
2017-05-11T08:52:00 < upgrdman> not sure why id go, but i guess it would be interesting
2017-05-11T08:52:18 < upgrdman> im still debating if i want to pay for siggraph 2017.
2017-05-11T08:52:29 < upgrdman> sig would be lots of fun, but those cucks charge a lot
2017-05-11T08:56:02 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs&t=31s new bill wurtz
2017-05-11T08:56:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: is it less than 600 miles?
2017-05-11T08:56:19 < ohsix> then you're closer than me by a lot
2017-05-11T08:56:58 < ohsix> er that link has a timestamp :[
2017-05-11T08:57:12 < upgrdman> ya prolly 300mi from me, but i dont feel like driving that far for a maker faire
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2017-05-11T09:19:15 < ohsix> heh
2017-05-11T09:19:19 < ohsix> wouldn't just be for that
2017-05-11T09:19:28 < ohsix> i wouldn't either
2017-05-11T09:20:24 < ohsix> i'll be in sf again for other reasons, but maker faire is a coincidental fun thing, there's tons of shit in sf
2017-05-11T09:20:37 < ohsix> tons of people i want to meet this time around, also overlaps with maker faire
2017-05-11T09:32:12 < upgrdman> heh, wtfs happening to china economy. downward trend for a while. https://www.google.com/finance?q=SHA%3A000001
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2017-05-11T09:32:56 < ohsix> that link only shows one day
2017-05-11T09:32:59 < ohsix> how long is a while
2017-05-11T09:33:11 < upgrdman> down 10% in last month
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2017-05-11T09:33:23 < upgrdman> that pretty severe for an entire stock market
2017-05-11T09:34:07 < ohsix> ic ic
2017-05-11T09:34:15 < ohsix> what market is that
2017-05-11T09:34:25 < ohsix> dunno much about china, is it like s&p or blue chip junk
2017-05-11T09:34:46 < upgrdman> and look at this https://www.google.com/finance?q=USDCNY
2017-05-11T09:34:56 < upgrdman> for last 2 fucking years their currency has been getting weaker
2017-05-11T09:35:17 < upgrdman> 6.2 -> 6.9 CNY per USD
2017-05-11T09:35:17 < ohsix> shrug
2017-05-11T09:35:23 < ohsix> look at 2016
2017-05-11T09:35:40 < ohsix> gah
2017-05-11T09:35:45 < ohsix> nm f'd by scaling
2017-05-11T09:36:22 < ohsix> to your question, no idea
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2017-05-11T09:36:41 < ohsix> we've got a big orange clown that made a really overt autocratic move yesterday tho
2017-05-11T09:36:44 < upgrdman> ya my q was more retorical
2017-05-11T09:37:03 < ohsix> right
2017-05-11T09:37:30 < upgrdman> angry orange is an embarrassment, but i dont think hes done anything that actually affects me yet
2017-05-11T09:37:55 < ohsix> generally you can't figure out what a thing was while it is happening in this shit, and even when you can it is easy to falsely ascribe a cause
2017-05-11T09:38:09 < Steffanx> Hows the wall?
2017-05-11T09:38:15 < upgrdman> wut wall
2017-05-11T09:38:21 < ohsix> not to get into it, since i feel the ~same, but 'firing' comey is a big deal
2017-05-11T09:38:29 < Steffanx> Trump wall/fence
2017-05-11T09:38:30 < ohsix> fbi is quasi-independent
2017-05-11T09:38:50 < upgrdman> Steffanx, fuck if i know. lol. not like it would stop anyone.
2017-05-11T09:40:06 < ohsix> rtl_433 is cool
2017-05-11T09:40:18 < ohsix> need to rtfm me some gnuradio so can start poking at random signals
2017-05-11T09:40:56 < ohsix> one of the sensors i'm picking up is in someones house
2017-05-11T09:40:56 < ohsix> 	Temperature in deg F:	 66.56 F
2017-05-11T09:40:56 < ohsix> 	Humidity:	 66 %
2017-05-11T09:41:42 < ohsix> this whole thing reflects well on my paranoia of moving shit around in IoT situations, all these signals that _could_ be used in a bad way are on the air already, only difference is proximity
2017-05-11T09:42:38 < ohsix> if you were going to use that sensor to say, figure out when they're on vacation, you could do it, but you'd need to find out it was there first, IoT aggregates so much shit that it inverts the situation
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2017-05-11T09:50:50 < ohsix> one of the lightning talks was about react native, and this was mentioned https://snack.expo.io/ it's kind of cool
2017-05-11T09:51:27 < ohsix> they have a host you download and you scan a qr code, then you're live editing stuff, like appinventor, but actually useful
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2017-05-11T10:00:29 < zyp> say I have two rtos threads that I want to share some state between, I want this to happen in an atomic and nonblocking manner
2017-05-11T10:02:05 < zyp> let's call the threads producer and consumer, producer is refreshing a block of state, say a struct state_t, this might happen periodically or responding to events
2017-05-11T10:03:18 < zyp> consumer is performing an operation that needs to know the latest state
2017-05-11T10:04:19 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/scanlime/status/862560977887256577 stm32 reversing whee
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2017-05-11T10:05:30 < zyp> what would be the best way to transport the state from producer to consumer?
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2017-05-11T10:06:28 < zyp> if I were always consuming faster than I'm producing, I could use a queue, then consumer could just look whether there's new stuff in the queue
2017-05-11T10:07:15 < zyp> but if I were producing faster, the queue would fill up and the newest state would be rejected
2017-05-11T10:07:40 < fest> you can push to the front of queue
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2017-05-11T10:08:05 < zyp> yes, that turns it into a stack
2017-05-11T10:08:08 < fest> (at least in freertos queue implementations)
2017-05-11T10:08:18 < zyp> but that doesn't solve my problem
2017-05-11T10:08:43 < zyp> it'll give me the newest state first, but it won't throw away the obsolete ones that I'm not interested in anymore
2017-05-11T10:09:46 < zyp> I guess the simple straight forward approach is to just have a shared buffer protected by a mutex, then just lock it while copying to or from the buffer
2017-05-11T10:10:08 < zyp> but that's not nonblocking
2017-05-11T10:12:10 < fest> I like how it's done in PX4 project- they have a neat message bus for ipc
2017-05-11T10:12:16 < ohsix> how much of state_t actually changes?
2017-05-11T10:12:57 < fest> I still haven't found anything like that messge bus but standalone
2017-05-11T10:13:20 < ohsix> if the producer or consumer can do nothing without the other one, just run them ping pong style?
2017-05-11T10:13:56 < ohsix> or is it a write mostly thing from the producer side
2017-05-11T10:14:11 < ohsix> https://alephsecurity.com/2017/03/08/nexus9-fiq-debugger/ (unrelated, but lul)
2017-05-11T10:16:03 < ohsix> zyp: i would make the read side update moot when an update is not complete, with a check bit or something
2017-05-11T10:16:15 < ohsix> you can only do that with one writer tho
2017-05-11T10:17:00 < ohsix> and you probably have to copy the version you're using somewhere
2017-05-11T10:17:06 < zyp> ohsix, no ping-pong, they are running entirely independently
2017-05-11T10:17:22 < zyp> if there's no new state, consumer will use previous state
2017-05-11T10:17:42 < zyp> and producer should just overwrite previous state if it's producing faster
2017-05-11T10:19:04 < ohsix> i wish i knew of something ultraclever hehe
2017-05-11T10:19:22 < ohsix> what core, are there compare and exchange instructions?
2017-05-11T10:20:03 < zyp> cortex-r4
2017-05-11T10:22:26 < mtbg> zyp: what about just two state_t elements, and a variable which indicates which one is the newest - producer always writes to the oldest and changes the flag to indicate that one became the newest
2017-05-11T10:22:36 < ohsix> can the producer have a new sample where the value doesn't actually change, and you need to know about it
2017-05-11T10:22:42 < mtbg> unless the oldest is currently blocked for read by the consumer
2017-05-11T10:22:58 < PaulFertser> Yes, that sounds like an ad-hoc RCU now :)
2017-05-11T10:22:59 < mtbg> which you indicate by a flag in non-blocking manner
2017-05-11T10:23:06 < zyp> mtbg, that's what I've been thinking about doing
2017-05-11T10:23:12 < ohsix> :<
2017-05-11T10:23:24 < ohsix> i thought that wasn't clever enough
2017-05-11T10:23:30 < ohsix> i endorse that
2017-05-11T10:23:30 < mtbg> the producer then overwrites the newest
2017-05-11T10:23:45 < ohsix> or a ring, depending on how contended things are
2017-05-11T10:23:52 < zyp> I think I'll have to do triple-buffering so both consumer and producer can swap buffers while the other thread has a buffer locked
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2017-05-11T10:24:50 < ohsix> the whole write back and flag thing works for flash/eeprom too ;] scan for highest mostestlegit value
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2017-05-11T10:25:08 < zyp> that'll give me a producer buffer, a shared buffer and a consumer buffer
2017-05-11T10:25:09 < ohsix> clobber old ones
2017-05-11T10:25:15 < mtbg> you want just the current state, or older states are also meaningful?
2017-05-11T10:25:58 < zyp> producer fills its buffer and swaps, consumer swaps and reads the shared buffer
2017-05-11T10:26:11 < PaulFertser> R2COM: do you want my feedback on the other three you've already sent me?
2017-05-11T10:26:19 < zyp> I mean, consumer swaps and reads its buffer that used to be shared
2017-05-11T10:27:04 < zyp> and then they need to be marked full or empty as well, but that's simple
2017-05-11T10:27:14 < ohsix> out of ~70 items from ali, i've only had to ask for one refund
2017-05-11T10:27:35 < ohsix> that's pretty damn good compared to ebay, without a middleman fucking shit up doing arbitrage
2017-05-11T10:27:49 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I wasn't able to spot any non-trivial specific statement in the first video. The forecast is so vague that it is not verifiable in any meaningful sense, not today, not 20 years later. He says "soon" but doesn't give any timeframe whatsoever.
2017-05-11T10:28:17 < ohsix> there needs to be a clippy that tells people they're being fucked with
2017-05-11T10:28:21 < PaulFertser> R2COM: the second video is even longer but I am not sure what was the point of it. It doesn't seem like it says anything at all.
2017-05-11T10:28:23 < upgrdman> damn  https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd4_1494385520
2017-05-11T10:28:43 < ohsix> It looks like you responded to something completely asinine, having taken an earlier thing seriously, you have lost an hour of your life you'll never recover
2017-05-11T10:29:38 < PaulFertser> R2COM: regarding the third video, I sometimes see people like that, yes. But you can find plenty of similar or even worse people in NY. Or visit some redneck party, doh.
2017-05-11T10:29:42 < ohsix> upgrdman: heh shti
2017-05-11T10:30:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, i'll be thinking about that in the future when im in china, riding in some china-brand car
2017-05-11T10:30:30 < ohsix> well the fuel came from the bike
2017-05-11T10:30:43 < ohsix> it's one with the tank in front of the driver
2017-05-11T10:31:17 < ohsix> huhu did i tell you that the scooter i made that headlight thing for got dragged by an old guy in walmart
2017-05-11T10:31:22 < ohsix> it sucks bad, that thing was fun
2017-05-11T10:31:58 < upgrdman> ya you pm me'd a pic of your crushed scooter
2017-05-11T10:32:06 < upgrdman> it scooted it last scoot
2017-05-11T10:32:36 < ohsix> :\
2017-05-11T10:33:05 < ohsix> i ate lunch with them that afternoon and it had already happened, they didn't tell me then
2017-05-11T10:33:27 < ohsix> when i saw them later they were coy and shit, was super lame
2017-05-11T10:35:02 < PaulFertser> R2COM: if I do not trust kremlin, why should I be watching videos like that?
2017-05-11T10:35:33 < ohsix> being busy has been highly clarifying, regarding shit that just does not matter
2017-05-11T10:38:21 < ohsix> they got some big bag of china-arduino sensor things, i had fun looking through them with another guy
2017-05-11T10:39:06 < ohsix> when i said 'they used a jfet with the leg bent up' on one of the touch sensors, having someone that knew what that even was was kind of awesome, far and above the most nerdy thing i've said off irc
2017-05-11T10:39:50 < ohsix> forrest m mims electrometer used a jfet the same way ;]
2017-05-11T10:46:32 < ohsix> fack is there a chrome extension that can manage other extensions extension requests, so i can either see them when they're happening or configurably forbid them
2017-05-11T10:48:56 < ohsix> haha nevermind i can just read the extension code ... the web, hah! also it seems to just handle pac requests for a list of domains and leaks the actual proxy address         return "PROXY rr.beebs.host:8080; PROXY chp2.beebs.host:8080;";
2017-05-11T10:51:51 < ohsix> not a bad business, extension doesn't do much, they throttle the free ones and just have a link for an upsell for better speeeeeeeeeeed
2017-05-11T10:54:16 < ohsix> adios muchachos
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2017-05-11T11:15:15 < jadew> ffs, I think it's time I debug this network issue
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2017-05-11T11:30:28 < Steffanx> Diabetus inducer crt.
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2017-05-11T11:51:46 < jadew_test`> ok, so it's an ISP problem
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2017-05-11T11:57:55 < Steffanx> Time to call them jadew_test
2017-05-11T11:58:14 < Steffanx> Tell them your irc friends are annoyed by it.
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2017-05-11T12:21:03 < Steffanx> Gutentaaag.
2017-05-11T12:25:23 < Steffanx> Aaawrggh windows.
2017-05-11T12:26:20 < karlp> englishman: work out why you were getting 80% humidity?
2017-05-11T12:26:35 < Steffanx> I still didnt do this creat0rs update. I was clicking around and this "do you want to update"-windows popped up.
2017-05-11T12:26:55 < Steffanx> RIGHT when i click.. and it happened to be the "ok" button
2017-05-11T12:27:10 < Steffanx> Now it suddenly reboots without asking.
2017-05-11T12:27:43 < Steffanx> Im at work you know.
2017-05-11T12:27:56 < Steffanx> Also i dont run windows at my mac
2017-05-11T12:28:15 < Steffanx> I run windows and macos on my "normal" pc
2017-05-11T12:28:28 < Steffanx> Hackintosh..
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2017-05-11T12:36:06 < Steffanx> This update damn. First it braks grub, now its restoring because i had to reboot -_-
2017-05-11T12:36:16 < Steffanx> breaks*
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2017-05-11T13:39:10 < jsoft> Is a 48Mhz chip doing ~20 point sine wave @ 20 Khz within 100 Hz accuracy semi reasonable?
2017-05-11T13:39:14 < jsoft> ( via dac )
2017-05-11T13:42:04 < zyp> 20 kHz sampling frequency to the DAC?
2017-05-11T13:42:38 < jsoft> output
2017-05-11T13:42:43 < jsoft> actual sine wave output
2017-05-11T13:43:17 < jsoft> It has to have a filter on it to make it look nice, but yeah it was a mix of speed vs accuracy
2017-05-11T13:44:04 < zyp> by 20 point, do you then mean a sampling frequency of 400 kHz?
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2017-05-11T13:45:44 < zyp> does the cpu even have to do any work? can't you just set up a precalculated buffer that you do a circular DMA from?
2017-05-11T13:45:53 < jsoft> It is circular DMa
2017-05-11T13:46:05 < jsoft> And I am not sure what you mean by sampling frequency
2017-05-11T13:46:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> So. I have a f103c8t6, and I'm playing with the RTC, trying to make an alarm clock. The time doesn't seem to be working correctly?
2017-05-11T13:47:02 < jsoft> Oh, I get you now, yeah 20k freq with 20 points == 400k
2017-05-11T13:47:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> Could it be ticking at the wrong rate?
2017-05-11T13:47:31 < zyp> I don't imagine DMA would have any problem doing a job at 400 kHz
2017-05-11T13:47:42 < jsoft> Its not the DMA I am worried about
2017-05-11T13:48:08 < jsoft> I am just curious if I am overlooking something I could make it faster with
2017-05-11T13:50:45 < zyp> faster how?
2017-05-11T13:52:58 < jsoft> Well I had trouble trying to find the right mix of the timer 6 psc/arr to get the frequency right. I am just wonding if i am in the right ball park
2017-05-11T13:53:17 < jsoft> This is for a mini function generator project I am doing on my course.
2017-05-11T13:53:51 < jsoft> If I were to have more than a couple of weeks I would use a proper IC dedicated for the task, but yeah.
2017-05-11T13:54:38 < zyp> well, if you recalculate the buffer you could vary the length
2017-05-11T13:55:46 < jsoft> the buffer as in the DAC circular buffer?
2017-05-11T13:57:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Funny thing is, it looks about right. and it works if I run it over short time frames
2017-05-11T13:58:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> But yesterday night, I set it to go off at 5pm today. The alarm hit at 1am apparently.
2017-05-11T13:58:14 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, which clock source? LSE?
2017-05-11T13:58:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> I should note taht when I say alarm, I mean i'm toggling a pin in the rtc isr, not the alarm interrupt.
2017-05-11T13:58:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> HSE I think.
2017-05-11T13:58:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> rcc_clock_setup_in_hse_8mhz_out_72mhz();
2017-05-11T13:59:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> Wait, no, LSE.
2017-05-11T14:01:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> For the record (in case you get sick of listening to me badly explain things): https://github.com/Jak-o-Shadows/softlight/blob/master/code/main.c
2017-05-11T14:02:48 < zyp> so you got a 32.768 kHz crystal hooked up to LSE?
2017-05-11T14:05:36  * Jak_o_Shadows checks netlist/schmeatic thing
2017-05-11T14:07:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's the blue pill board. So I want to say yes
2017-05-11T14:09:18 < karlp> what does 100Hz accuracy even mean? surely the issues with DDS is THD, not frequency accuracy?
2017-05-11T14:11:56 < karlp> you might find something usefuli n this project https://github.com/karlp/discotmc/blob/master/device/core/funcgen.c but it's not complete
2017-05-11T14:16:01 < jsoft> karlp, I mean as in shove it on a scope, freq counter, and its about <= 100 Hz off @ 20Khz
2017-05-11T14:17:25 < jsoft> Because the steps between psc/arr mean it cant really get it exactly
2017-05-11T14:17:41 < jsoft> If it were 2000Mhz say, then sure, it could be pretty bang on.
2017-05-11T14:17:57 < jsoft> And at 1000Hz its bang on too ( @ 48Mhz clock ).
2017-05-11T14:18:15 < jsoft> Just curious if I am missing something obvious I can use to improve things.
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2017-05-11T14:51:39 < karlp> are you missing the -1 on many of the timer setups?
2017-05-11T14:51:44 < karlp> that's an easy way ot be off by a bit.
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2017-05-11T15:53:09 < englishman> karlp: no, but it's quite consistent, maybe due to damp soil.
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2017-05-11T15:53:23 < englishman> http://betamax.airdtf.com:6969
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2017-05-11T16:44:30 < karlp> englishman: I've wondered aboutthat. you're using the tsc for soil humidity, and then the silabs part for ambient temp/humi right?
2017-05-11T16:44:47 < karlp> but you're just above the ground, and potentially under foliage? it wouldn't surprise me if ambient humidity there was higher
2017-05-11T16:45:35 < englishman> right
2017-05-11T16:45:40 < englishman> so that will have to be considered
2017-05-11T16:45:47 < Laurenceb_> do you only need data from sensors to base station?
2017-05-11T16:45:54 < englishman> also realized yesterday that battery voltage will affect tsc
2017-05-11T16:46:10 < englishman> for now yes
2017-05-11T16:46:25 < Laurenceb_> why not use haxored sigfox
2017-05-11T16:47:13 < Laurenceb_> silabs transmits 2PSK then some more high end SDR based processing at the base station
2017-05-11T16:47:14 < englishman> why used haxored anything when i can use available, well documented and high tech 2psk $0.60 axsem?
2017-05-11T16:47:51 < Laurenceb_> because it doesnt have good AFC
2017-05-11T16:47:55 < englishman> so there is a 2psk silabs? or you buttbang using an osc pll
2017-05-11T16:48:18 < englishman> sounds like more theoretical Laurenceb_ ideas
2017-05-11T16:48:55 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/CC1020RSSR/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt%252bz66QWnul0bHlLzJVOKkKN0AWFQ9Svx8%3d
2017-05-11T16:49:00 < Laurenceb_> thats your rx
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2017-05-11T16:49:20 < Laurenceb_> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:chipcon_cc1020_software_define_radio
2017-05-11T16:52:11 < Laurenceb_> so used axsem to tx
2017-05-11T16:52:15 < Laurenceb_> *use
2017-05-11T16:52:20 < Laurenceb_> then that to rx
2017-05-11T16:52:39 < Laurenceb_> with F4 to search for preambles in time/frequency space
2017-05-11T16:53:59 < englishman> probably less bring-up time than some all-in-one transceiver ICs right
2017-05-11T16:54:18 < englishman> $12 ic lol
2017-05-11T16:54:27 < englishman> you're so academic, laurence
2017-05-11T16:55:30 < Laurenceb_> $12 who cares, only need one
2017-05-11T16:56:19 < Laurenceb_> protip: use Rpi zero W and usb dongle then
2017-05-11T16:56:33 < Laurenceb_> also write base station in matlab :P
2017-05-11T16:57:01 < Laurenceb_> maker tier solution
2017-05-11T16:57:46 < englishman> no maker would even know what matlab is
2017-05-11T16:58:19 < englishman> got report last night that fram isnt working in latest board revision
2017-05-11T16:58:27 < englishman> there are no schematic changes and layout looks fine
2017-05-11T16:58:28 < englishman> sigh
2017-05-11T17:00:00  * Laurenceb_ wonders if sigfox is patented
2017-05-11T17:02:25 < Laurenceb_> Sigfox utilizes a wide-reaching signal that passes freely through solid objects
2017-05-11T17:02:31 < Laurenceb_> lullin
2017-05-11T17:03:56 < Laurenceb_> aha http://www.google.com/patents/US20130142191
2017-05-11T17:05:38 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats quite specific, you are unlikely to violate it
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2017-05-11T17:10:36 < Laurenceb_> simple solution: just use sigfox
2017-05-11T17:10:57 < Laurenceb_> pay them to build a base station near to you
2017-05-11T17:25:37 < Laurenceb_> ok I have an idea
2017-05-11T17:25:51 < Laurenceb_> use frequency hopping, silabs style
2017-05-11T17:26:06 < Laurenceb_> but with a "calling mode" from the base station
2017-05-11T17:26:44 < Laurenceb_> so base station loops through the calling frequency slots looking for replies
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2017-05-11T19:05:36 < englishman> http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1494493514835.webm
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2017-05-11T19:17:15 < branjb> was really hoping he'd miss the bridge
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2017-05-11T19:33:29 < Tectu> "DO NOT ATTEMPT"
2017-05-11T19:42:13 < jpa-> hi Tectu!
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2017-05-11T19:49:22 < Tectu> Good evening, jpa-
2017-05-11T19:49:47 < jpa-> how are the graphics going?
2017-05-11T19:50:12 < Tectu> Good.
2017-05-11T19:50:16 < Tectu> how is jpa- jnr?
2017-05-11T19:50:26 < jpa-> getting up and falling down a lot
2017-05-11T19:50:38 < Tectu> unstable system, I see
2017-05-11T19:50:43 < Tectu> what order does it have?
2017-05-11T19:51:24 < jpa-> it's marginally stable, never gets very far from the floor level
2017-05-11T19:52:28 < jpa-> did you see my fancy company yet? https://devembedded.com/  
2017-05-11T19:52:33 < Steffanx> Where do we send the first birthday present from ##stm32 ?
2017-05-11T19:52:54 < jpa-> you'll find the address there ;)
2017-05-11T19:52:59 < Tectu> nice, congratz Mr. jpa-!
2017-05-11T19:53:53 < jpa-> thanks
2017-05-11T19:54:06 < branjb> how's business jpa-?
2017-05-11T19:54:14 < Tectu> how serious are you about it? did you quit $dayjob?
2017-05-11T19:54:24 < jpa-> Tectu: i did
2017-05-11T19:54:33 < Tectu> nice, good luck mate!
2017-05-11T19:54:54 < Steffanx> Damn, are you aussie too now?
2017-05-11T19:54:58 < jpa-> now working 2-3 hours a day and making almost the same; but basically just because of one good customer, so not as reliable income
2017-05-11T19:55:14 < Tectu> yeah, always the same problem with this kind of stuff :/
2017-05-11T19:55:45 < jpa-> yeah well, i planned this thing so that i can go 1-2 years without income
2017-05-11T19:56:39 < Tectu> that's good.
2017-05-11T19:59:29 < Streake_> Do you need to specify it's a one man company?
2017-05-11T20:00:57 < zyp> billing by the minute :)
2017-05-11T20:01:18 < branjb> like a hooker
2017-05-11T20:02:00 < jpa-> Streake_: no, but it's not worth trying to hide it either
2017-05-11T20:02:18 < zyp> jpa-, .fi doesn't require a one man company to include the owners name in the company name?
2017-05-11T20:02:26 < branjb> yeah honestly it is way more shady if a one man company has a website that constantly uses the term "We"
2017-05-11T20:02:30 < zyp> I mean, sole proprietorship
2017-05-11T20:02:51 < jpa-> basically just trying to avoid useless contacts by being upfront about what it is
2017-05-11T20:03:38 < jpa-> zyp: owners name can be used for free, for 75 eurs one can register any company name (that is not already in use/similar) even for sole proprietorship
2017-05-11T20:03:55 < zyp> ah, so you paid to register?
2017-05-11T20:04:03 < jpa-> yeah, huge investment :P
2017-05-11T20:04:07 < zyp> hehe
2017-05-11T20:04:24 < Tectu> interesting, that's 250.- in switzerland
2017-05-11T20:04:29 < Tectu> and 20k for the next bigger one
2017-05-11T20:04:31 < zyp> in norway it's free in any case, but company name must include owner's last name
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2017-05-11T20:04:50 < Tectu> same here, zyp. But the official registration is still 250.-
2017-05-11T20:05:31 < Streake_> Must really suck if you have a common last name
2017-05-11T20:06:17 < jpa-> what's funny here is that sole proprietorships have no suffix to the name; other companies are like "Company Oy" or "Company Oyj" or "Company osk."; this is just "Company"
2017-05-11T20:06:23 < Streake_> smithsoftware1985.ch
2017-05-11T20:07:04 < Tectu> so this is the infamous Streake
2017-05-11T20:07:16 < zyp> jpa-, same here
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2017-05-11T20:08:00 < zyp> https://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=815441982 <- when I registered mine, I just put in my own name
2017-05-11T20:08:20 < zyp> it's fairly convenient because I don't have to distinguish private and business stuff when I order stuff :p
2017-05-11T20:08:33 < Tectu> LOL
2017-05-11T20:08:38 < jpa-> what does "Storheil" mean? "Big heil"?
2017-05-11T20:09:37 < jpa-> Tectu: there are 20k registration costs in switzerland for some company type?!?
2017-05-11T20:09:39 < zyp> yeah, and heil is apparently a reference to some mountain or something
2017-05-11T20:10:20 < englishman> really, i made my pro company inc. and distributed shares etc. for $2k beaverbux
2017-05-11T20:10:31 < jpa-> so your name is "Our yard, big hill, Eric's son"?
2017-05-11T20:10:50 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-05-11T20:10:52 < Tectu> jpa-, well, you need to bring in 20k, put it in a bank account and have a notary tell the government folks that the 20k are really there. after the company is there you can use those 20k for company stuff (you are not allowed to "take it back" though). The costs for registration and stuff is about 4k
2017-05-11T20:11:19 < zyp> jpa-, haha, how are you interpreting the first name? I think that one is pretty off
2017-05-11T20:11:26 < englishman> ah that must be it, 20k CHF is like a decent lunch. but nobody has that kind of scratch in canada
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2017-05-11T20:11:40 < Tectu> it's just to prevent random companies from trolling up
2017-05-11T20:11:55 < Streaker> all countries have minimum capital requirements for limited liability companies
2017-05-11T20:11:55 < englishman> funny, since that is exactly the point of a company
2017-05-11T20:11:56 < Tectu> it's little enough so you just have it but big enough that you just don't throw it away in an inactive corp
2017-05-11T20:12:40 < jpa-> zyp: it sounds something like "vi gard" in swedish and IIRC gard is something like yard
2017-05-11T20:13:03 < englishman> well there is no llc company type here
2017-05-11T20:13:09 < Tectu> where are you from, Mr. Streaker ?
2017-05-11T20:13:15 < jpa-> Tectu: ah yeah, here the minimum stock balance is IIRC 4k, registration just 200e or so
2017-05-11T20:13:25 < Tectu> jpa-, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_mit_beschr%C3%A4nkter_Haftung
2017-05-11T20:13:31 < Streaker> Tectu: Romania
2017-05-11T20:13:33 < englishman> my company was founded with $100 cheque
2017-05-11T20:13:34 < Tectu> just LLC as Streaker mentioned
2017-05-11T20:13:52 < Tectu> well, my company was founded with just that 250.- for registration. uGFX corp is now going through the 20k process.
2017-05-11T20:13:58 < jpa-> everything is always GmbH this, GmbH that, and i never know how to pronounce it :P
2017-05-11T20:13:59 < BrainDamage> the amount of social capital depends on the type osociety
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2017-05-11T20:14:30 < BrainDamage> eg in italy you can found a srls with 1€ min social capital, but a srl requires 10k min social capital
2017-05-11T20:14:45 < Streaker> Social capital?
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2017-05-11T20:15:59 < BrainDamage> not sure if it's the exact english term, I literally translated the italian name, it's the amount of value inherent to the society
2017-05-11T20:16:13 < zyp> jpa-, according to wikipedia it comes from old norse, the ve-part meaning «home» and the gard-part meaning «fence» or «protection»
2017-05-11T20:16:19 < jpa-> "amount of money invested in company"
2017-05-11T20:16:34 < zyp> it doesn't make much sense in modern norwegian either :)
2017-05-11T20:16:36 < Streaker> Capital
2017-05-11T20:16:55 < zyp> jpa-, oh, by the way, I booked tickets to .fi yesterday
2017-05-11T20:17:00 < jpa-> nice :)
2017-05-11T20:17:29 < jpa-> we got some more snow today
2017-05-11T20:17:40 < zyp> I'll be there 4-12. july, so I'll find time to drop by some day
2017-05-11T20:17:48 < jpa-> :)
2017-05-11T20:17:52 < Tectu> BrainDamage, isn't it "sagl" in italian?
2017-05-11T20:17:54 < BrainDamage> isn't it easier to mark the days when it doesn't snow?
2017-05-11T20:18:06 < jpa-> BrainDamage: yeah, but more boring
2017-05-11T20:18:16 < BrainDamage> Tectu: what is?
2017-05-11T20:18:58 < jpa-> this week the official weather forecast guy of finland broke out laughing when reading the ridiculously low temperatures we are having.. wait a month and he'll break out crying at the same temperatures
2017-05-11T20:19:16 < Streaker> I confused Tectu for the Romanian guy. Who's the Romanian guy on ##stm32?
2017-05-11T20:19:23 < zyp> jadew
2017-05-11T20:19:43 < Tectu> Streaker, so are you romanian yourself?
2017-05-11T20:19:57 < Streaker> No.
2017-05-11T20:20:02 < Streaker> Indian.
2017-05-11T20:20:13 < Tectu> okay
2017-05-11T20:22:09 < Steffanx> shouldnt u be asleep?
2017-05-11T20:22:46 < Streaker> In a little while.
2017-05-11T20:23:12 < Steffanx> do you have your own holy cow?
2017-05-11T20:23:21 < Streaker> It's hot as fuck here 40+. Can only get anything done after the sun sets.
2017-05-11T20:24:03 < BrainDamage> shame on your Steffanx for making fun of their tradictions, shame on you, shame on your family and shame on your cow
2017-05-11T20:24:09  * englishman eats niharee
2017-05-11T20:24:24  * Tectu should prepare for his VHDL exam
2017-05-11T20:24:59 < jpa-> just write "who uses VHDL, use HDL commander!!1" on it
2017-05-11T20:25:08 < zyp> you better not fail
2017-05-11T20:25:08 < Steffanx> Im sure is name is Rajesh. So I'm sure the "ultimate god" will kill me somehow, BrainDamage.
2017-05-11T20:26:22 < Streaker> The ultimate God?
2017-05-11T20:26:32 < Steffanx> Isnt that what Rajesh is supposed to mean?
2017-05-11T20:26:53 < Streaker> I'll have to google it
2017-05-11T20:27:13 < Steffanx> Ah you an imported indian?
2017-05-11T20:27:59 < Streaker> Hmm.. it means the biggest king
2017-05-11T20:28:09 < Streaker> God of Kings.
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2017-05-11T20:29:37 < Streaker> Not all Indians speak Hindi / are Hindu.
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2017-05-11T20:31:50 < jpa-> british people go and draw lines for nation borders and for some silly reason the people living there are not actually all the same... would've been much simpler
2017-05-11T20:33:09 < BrainDamage> to be fair the alternative is eu way which means killing eachother for few millennias to draw the borders
2017-05-11T20:34:15 < BrainDamage> https://twitter.com/EnglishRussia1/status/862661011882561537?s=09
2017-05-11T20:35:31 < jpa-> true that
2017-05-11T20:38:21 < Tectu> uhm, why do they need actual phones for that?
2017-05-11T20:38:45 < Steffanx> Cheap?
2017-05-11T20:39:18 < BrainDamage> probably they cost them less than hiring someone who knows how to setup virtual machines
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2017-05-11T20:41:06 < Streaker> Google might be validating IMEI numbers
2017-05-11T20:41:36 < Tectu> one can spoof them in a VM
2017-05-11T20:41:55 < Streaker> But can you get a valid number?
2017-05-11T20:42:13 < BrainDamage> with the complacency of the government, sure
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2017-05-11T20:54:34 < aandrew> phroo
2017-05-11T20:54:35 < aandrew> ok
2017-05-11T20:54:41 < aandrew> so I got my annotation question figured out
2017-05-11T20:54:43 < upgrdman> is there a convention for how to show anode/cathode for an SMD diode? "A" and "K" on the silk? diode symbol on the silk?
2017-05-11T20:55:15 < aandrew> upgrdman: no real convention. on silk I usually have a diode symbol (something like >| ) under it, but a dot for anode or cathode is also used
2017-05-11T20:55:22 < englishman> ^
2017-05-11T20:55:25 < englishman> >|
2017-05-11T20:55:33 < englishman> sometimes just |
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2017-05-11T20:56:23 < aandrew> so you guys want to know how altium does it?
2017-05-11T20:56:28 < aandrew> (multi channel annotation)
2017-05-11T20:57:31 < zyp> sure
2017-05-11T20:58:45 < aandrew> normally you make your shcematics, annotate, push to pcb, lay out and in pcb you re-annotate and push the changes back to sch
2017-05-11T20:59:00 < aandrew> you can also use the was-is and use back-annotate in sch menu
2017-05-11T20:59:22 < aandrew> with multi-channel it gets a little weirder because you now have the concept of a logical (schematic) designator and a physical (pcb) designator for each component
2017-05-11T20:59:36 < aandrew> and since multi channel means one page generates multiple copies in pcb, this is important
2017-05-11T21:00:33 < aandrew> so multi-chan is similar: draw sch, annotate, compile, annotate compiled sheets, push to pcb, lay out, re-annotate in pcb, push bakc to sch
2017-05-11T21:00:47 < aandrew> but now in sch you end up with the designators not matching anymore
2017-05-11T21:00:59 < aandrew> e.g. R50 (R33)
2017-05-11T21:02:32 < aandrew> R50 is the logical (sch only) deisgnator and R33 is the physical (PCB) designator
2017-05-11T21:02:45 < zyp> you usually reannotate in pcb?
2017-05-11T21:03:20 < aandrew> unlike most times that you have the old/uncompiled designator in parens and it goes away when you compile, this shows up when you compile
2017-05-11T21:03:31 < aandrew> and it drives you batty if you don't know what it's doing it for or what it's signifying
2017-05-11T21:03:50 < aandrew> but if you look at the bottom of a sch page you will see tabs lke [ Editor ][DO1][DO2][DO3] etc
2017-05-11T21:03:59 < aandrew> (assuming you have 3 copies of that sheet
2017-05-11T21:04:09 < aandrew> Editor tab will show the logical designator with physical in brackets
2017-05-11T21:04:19 < aandrew> but DO1/DO2 etc will now show physical deisgnator for that copy
2017-05-11T21:04:25 < zyp> oh
2017-05-11T21:04:29 < zyp> makes sense
2017-05-11T21:04:49 < aandrew> zyp: yes, I always rennotate the PCB, I like my designators to "flow" on the PCB so when I'm looking for R224 I know it's physically somewhere near R223 and R225
2017-05-11T21:05:07 < aandrew> pros like dongs don't use silk for components but I try to put them on even on dense designs
2017-05-11T21:05:10 < aandrew> doesn't always work
2017-05-11T21:06:16 < aandrew> the only thing I don't like in this is if you're on the PCB and see R55 and search for it, you will not find *that* R55, you'll find logical R55 in the sch
2017-05-11T21:06:30 < aandrew> you need to double-click the component in pcb and see what it's logical designator is and search for that
2017-05-11T21:06:41 < zyp> for me it makes more sense that components that are numbered next to each other are logically near rather than physically near
2017-05-11T21:06:49 < zyp> but then again I don't like designators in silk either
2017-05-11T21:07:10 < englishman> i do like them in silk, but i don't like wasting time over it
2017-05-11T21:07:22 < englishman> there are more important things to waste time on
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2017-05-11T21:07:45 < zyp> most of the time they are useless and boards tends to look nicer without
2017-05-11T21:08:11 < zyp> so I instead use silk to label stuff that are actually useful, like leds, buttons and connectors
2017-05-11T21:08:14 < aandrew> yes and no
2017-05-11T21:08:20 < aandrew> I'm generally not a fan of super clean pcbs
2017-05-11T21:09:30 < zyp> the work pcbs I got on monday were fucking annoying though, they had no silk
2017-05-11T21:10:21 < zyp> so I wasted a bunch of time trying to figure out what pin was what on the headers to hook up to my devboard, and I still got it wrong
2017-05-11T21:10:22 < aandrew> got pics
2017-05-11T21:20:31 < jadew> I fixed my connection
2017-05-11T21:20:50 < sync> the pnp does not care about the silk ;)
2017-05-11T21:21:56 < aandrew> no, pnp doesn't care but as somoene working on the board, I do :-)
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2017-05-11T21:50:50 < englishman> also it's easy to describe a general location when there are refdes in a layer
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2017-05-11T22:16:13 < jadew> no....
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2017-05-11T22:25:19 < Steffanx> yes....
2017-05-11T22:25:40 < jadew> so it's not the router either
2017-05-11T22:26:06 < englishman> Laurenceb: lol range is like 6ft at 1dBm
2017-05-11T22:26:10 < englishman> absolute garbate
2017-05-11T22:26:40 < englishman> doing total redesign and wasting more time and money to switch to LoRA that i should have done months ago
2017-05-11T22:28:16 < Steffanx> hehe, good morning englishman :)
2017-05-11T22:28:32 < englishman> its 15h30 bro
2017-05-11T22:28:55 < Steffanx> but it seesm you woke up.
2017-05-11T22:29:48 < englishman> no ive been angry all day
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2017-05-11T22:32:12 < Steffanx> Arrow?
2017-05-11T22:32:56 < englishman> possibly sold me some bunk fram, yes
2017-05-11T22:33:01 < Rob235> oh drugs
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2017-05-11T22:34:09 < Rob235> how I cherish thee
2017-05-11T22:35:28 < Rob235> the prior authorization went through
2017-05-11T22:37:09 < Steffanx> are you drunk again Rob235?
2017-05-11T22:37:13 < Rob235> no
2017-05-11T22:37:21 < Steffanx> ok, just checking.
2017-05-11T22:37:24 < Rob235> :)
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2017-05-11T22:38:15 < englishman> jadew sure doesnt get reliable interwebs for $6 eur/month even if they are 100terabit
2017-05-11T22:39:35 < Rob235> suboxone
2017-05-11T22:40:05 < englishman> i had to give that to my cat
2017-05-11T22:40:22 < Steffanx> Do i want to know why Rob235? Probably not.
2017-05-11T22:40:23 < englishman> fucked him up for hours
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2017-05-11T22:42:31 < Rob235> I relapsed 6 months ago. I only used for 2 weeks but I stayed on suboxone for about 6 months (very low dosage). I stopped for the past month but haven't been doing well off it so I went to the dr (instead of getting it on dnm) to get put on it.  hopefully not for long, just a few months while im in school
2017-05-11T22:44:41 < Rob235> it is what it is
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2017-05-11T22:47:53 < Steffanx> it also is what you make of it.
2017-05-11T22:49:34 < Rob235> I think staying on it for a bit longer will be beneficial overall.  let me focus on school instead of fucking up
2017-05-11T22:49:54 < Rob235> so as long as I take advantage of it while I can, I'm okay with it
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2017-05-11T23:01:21 < Rob235> speaking of school, when the hell are they going to get back to me
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2017-05-11T23:07:12 < englishman> https://cdn.uploadvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Screen-Shot-2017-03-30-at-11.06.20-AM-1024x559.png
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2017-05-11T23:09:42 < Steffanx> who is that mr englishman?
2017-05-11T23:09:57 < englishman> the multimillionaire father of modern VR gaming
2017-05-11T23:10:36 < Steffanx> ok..
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2017-05-11T23:11:10 < Steffanx> 1992, such millenial..
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2017-05-11T23:19:32 < zyp> englishman, was that you who talked me into buying an orange pi zero?
2017-05-11T23:19:45 < englishman> i dont know if i talked anybody into it, but i mentioned it yeah :)
2017-05-11T23:19:56 < zyp> arrived today
2017-05-11T23:20:02 < englishman> tha was zyppy
2017-05-11T23:20:20 < englishman> resources
2017-05-11T23:20:24 < englishman> https://linux-sunxi.org/Xunlong_Orange_Pi_Zero#Powering_the_board
2017-05-11T23:20:24 < englishman> https://dl.armbian.com/orangepizero/
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2017-05-11T23:21:21 < zyp> yeah, I've already have it flashed
2017-05-11T23:22:12 < PaulFertser> btw, Debian upstream works out of the box on bananapi, I've no idea why people are still using armbian.
2017-05-11T23:24:19 < zyp> PaulFertser, does it work out of the box for the orange pi zero though?
2017-05-11T23:24:38 < zyp> because I'd rather not use this ubuntu based thing
2017-05-11T23:24:58 < PaulFertser> zyp: that I do not know yet, but I see no reason why it shouldn't. The dts file seems there, and other than that, all those boards should be pretty similar. I'd need to check.
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2017-05-11T23:25:23 < zyp> the wifi chip on this doesn't seem to be supported in mainline yet
2017-05-11T23:25:24 < PaulFertser> https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner seems rather sane
2017-05-11T23:25:31 < zyp> already looking
2017-05-11T23:25:38 < PaulFertser> wifi chip is another matter, if you need it, you can always install the driver additionally.
2017-05-11T23:26:01 < zyp> more work than grabbing an armbian image that just works
2017-05-11T23:26:06 < PaulFertser> Also, brcmfmac is upstream since long, just the firmware need to be installed externally.
2017-05-11T23:26:21 < zyp> yeah, this board has some xradio shit
2017-05-11T23:26:40 < zyp> which is apparently an allwinner variant of a ST wifi chip
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2017-05-11T23:27:43 < zyp> the zero plus2 seems to have a saner wifi chip, but lacks wired ethernet
2017-05-11T23:28:16 < zyp> so it's kinda either/or
2017-05-11T23:28:29 < invzim> anyone here use altium?
2017-05-11T23:28:34 < zyp> lots of people
2017-05-11T23:28:45 < invzim> my sch inspector is not showing
2017-05-11T23:29:02 < invzim> some damn hidden thing or something
2017-05-11T23:29:07 < PaulFertser> On the bananapi all I did was downloading the netboot image, unzipping it, downloading the prebuild uboot-spl image, then (as I lacked uSD card at that moment) I uploaded the uboot via USB and that was it, I was straight into running netboot debian-installer.
2017-05-11T23:29:17 < zyp> invzim, not showing how?
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2017-05-11T23:29:49 < englishman> invzim: lower right corner, tabs/columns available there
2017-05-11T23:29:53 < invzim> it's now appearing like e..g schlib filter
2017-05-11T23:30:18 < zyp> PaulFertser, which soc is on the bananapi?
2017-05-11T23:30:21 < invzim> anywhere to choose it other than lower right corner?
2017-05-11T23:30:25 < invzim> ah
2017-05-11T23:30:26 < invzim> foudn it
2017-05-11T23:30:28 < invzim> bastard
2017-05-11T23:30:35 < invzim> I'll snap a screen :)
2017-05-11T23:30:51 < Ultrasauce> it's allwhiner isn't it?
2017-05-11T23:30:53 < PaulFertser> zyp: A20 on the one I got, I wanted SATA
2017-05-11T23:31:01 < zyp> ah, ok
2017-05-11T23:31:17 < zyp> Ultrasauce, yes, but they make a bunch of shit
2017-05-11T23:31:28 < Ultrasauce> i was super stoked about that line until i learned the gpu support is pretty garbage
2017-05-11T23:31:48 < englishman> hmm lora is expensive :(
2017-05-11T23:31:50 < zyp> I don't give a fuck about that, the orange pi zero doesn't even break out hdmi :)
2017-05-11T23:31:52 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3QW5aWlZzdHVJTEE/view
2017-05-11T23:32:04 < englishman> haha
2017-05-11T23:32:07 < Steffanx> lol
2017-05-11T23:32:20 < zyp> invzim, cute
2017-05-11T23:32:26 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: can you max out the lan controller to gigabit speeds - overhead ?
2017-05-11T23:32:45 < zyp> oh, by the way, I ran iperf on this thing
2017-05-11T23:32:48 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I have no hardware to try it, sorry.
2017-05-11T23:33:01 < zyp> I get 25-35 Mb/s over wlan, 95 Mb/s over lan
2017-05-11T23:33:30 < zyp> but wlan seems to have bad latency, which is apparently a known issue
2017-05-11T23:33:35 < invzim> zero.. rpi zero availability made me take a second look at stm32 :)
2017-05-11T23:33:59 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: http://linux-sunxi.org/Ethernet#GMAC_Performance_issues
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2017-05-11T23:34:14 < invzim> what I don't get about a lot of these boards is why they don't make the form factor 'pluggable' into another pcb
2017-05-11T23:34:33 < zyp> invzim, same
2017-05-11T23:34:46 < zyp> I'm tempted to make a module with a H3
2017-05-11T23:35:43 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwKFpyG8xGa3cXdJTzBBODg4Z2c
2017-05-11T23:35:45 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: yeah, i know that firsthand, i have a cubieboard2 and the lan transfer speed is mediocre
2017-05-11T23:36:01 < invzim> scratched this and redesigning for mcu
2017-05-11T23:36:10 < zyp> haha
2017-05-11T23:36:25 < BrainDamage> however for some reason it only mounts a 100Mbit controler, the device supports Gbit
2017-05-11T23:37:02 < zyp> the H3 got a gigabit mac intenally, but only 100M PHY, needs external RGMII PHY for gigabit
2017-05-11T23:37:08 < zyp> could be same thing
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2017-05-11T23:44:15 < invzim> do 0.3mm drills and 0402 go together?
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2017-05-11T23:44:38 < zyp> go how?
2017-05-11T23:45:06 < invzim> 'technology wise' looks little wonky
2017-05-11T23:45:22 < invzim> did some quotes today and <0.3mm gets expensive fast for low volume
2017-05-11T23:46:17 < zyp> I don't see how drill size and resistor size is related at all
2017-05-11T23:47:13 < zyp> it's not like you need small drills to break it out, like a bga
2017-05-11T23:47:33 < invzim> with e.g. qfp 0.5mm pitch, the 0402 line up nicely with the pins
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2017-05-11T23:47:41 < invzim> but the 0.3mm drill makes it not practical
2017-05-11T23:48:17 < zyp> what's the minimum via diameter? 0.6mm?
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2017-05-11T23:48:54 < invzim> that's what I use now
2017-05-11T23:49:25 < zyp> drill size itself is still irrelevant apart from imposing a lower bound on minimum diameter, annular ring spec is also important
2017-05-11T23:50:25 < invzim> I'll stick with 0603 and 0.3/0.6 for now - they look 'compatible' :)
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2017-05-12T02:22:30 < englishman> invzim: RPI zero availability is exactly why I got some orangepi
2017-05-12T02:25:57 < karlp> hrm, put on a "one hour" mix set to listen to to time some work before bed.
2017-05-12T02:26:13 < karlp> kinda finished up stage one of the work,
2017-05-12T02:26:17 < karlp> realised it's a two hour set.
2017-05-12T02:26:22 < karlp> oh well.
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2017-05-12T02:32:56 < Laurenceb_> englishman: yo
2017-05-12T02:33:10 < englishman> sup
2017-05-12T02:33:10 < Laurenceb_> business idea: sigfox clone
2017-05-12T02:33:19 < englishman> lora is expensive
2017-05-12T02:33:26 < Laurenceb_> same as regular sigfox but sell the base stations
2017-05-12T02:33:43 < englishman> bro howcome range on axsem is like 6ft
2017-05-12T02:33:46 < Laurenceb_> their patent is useless
2017-05-12T02:33:47 < englishman> at +1dbm
2017-05-12T02:33:59 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-05-12T02:34:03 < Laurenceb_> do you have antenna?
2017-05-12T02:34:07 < englishman> ofc
2017-05-12T02:34:09 < englishman> good ones
2017-05-12T02:34:25 < englishman> I'd expect at least few hundred m
2017-05-12T02:34:32 < englishman> It doesn't work across the room.
2017-05-12T02:34:41 < Laurenceb_> what data rate and frequency?
2017-05-12T02:34:50 < englishman> 56k 2fsk, 433mhz
2017-05-12T02:35:04 < Laurenceb_> hmm odd
2017-05-12T02:35:08 < englishman> yep
2017-05-12T02:35:26 < Laurenceb_> >56ppm xtals ?
2017-05-12T02:35:35 < englishman> 10
2017-05-12T02:35:51 < englishman> and wide ish AFC pullin range
2017-05-12T02:36:01 < englishman> enough for >20ppm anyway
2017-05-12T02:36:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2017-05-12T02:36:43 < Laurenceb_> I dunno, have you tried interrupting on sync byte?
2017-05-12T02:36:55 < Laurenceb_> or reading the rx signal strength?
2017-05-12T02:37:07 < Laurenceb_> sure the squelch isnt too high?
2017-05-12T02:37:13 < englishman> nah, tomorrow maybe, brought it home today
2017-05-12T02:37:28 < englishman> but unsure how much effort i want to put in this
2017-05-12T02:37:33 < englishman> vs lora
2017-05-12T02:39:21 < Laurenceb_> how many nodes do you want to use?
2017-05-12T02:39:57 < englishman> >20 short term, >100 long term
2017-05-12T02:40:12 < englishman> but they are time division multiplexed
2017-05-12T02:40:20 < englishman> so can share single channel
2017-05-12T02:41:22 < Laurenceb_> I guess that would work with lora if youhad lowish sample rates
2017-05-12T02:41:58 < Laurenceb_> I think this is why lorawan isnt really a thing but sigfox exists as a real network
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2017-05-12T02:42:15 < Laurenceb_> lora has poor channel use
2017-05-12T02:42:28 < englishman> well i only want high data rates to keep power consumption low, less on time
2017-05-12T02:42:34 < englishman> but that doesn't really matter anymore
2017-05-12T02:42:41 < Laurenceb_> what sort of sample rate?
2017-05-12T02:42:43 < englishman> I can afford 15ms packets I think
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2017-05-12T02:43:23 < Laurenceb_> I mean how often?
2017-05-12T02:43:25 < englishman> depending on distance and terrain, to affect tx power
2017-05-12T02:43:28 < englishman> 10min
2017-05-12T02:44:09 < emeb> Does anyone use stlink-texane still?
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2017-05-12T02:44:23 < Laurenceb_> I have a few times
2017-05-12T02:44:25 < emeb> I see that it appears to be maintained on github (last change just a few days ago)
2017-05-12T02:44:27 < englishman> Axsem was supposed to get this working quickly, and it has failed
2017-05-12T02:44:31 < englishman> so, moving on
2017-05-12T02:44:42 < Laurenceb_>  "texane works for me"
2017-05-12T02:44:56 < emeb> but I had such bad luck with it long ago when it was new that I gave up and switched to BMP and OpenOCD
2017-05-12T02:45:08 < Laurenceb_> heh other way around for me
2017-05-12T02:45:13 < emeb> basically it didn't support most of the parts I wanted to use.
2017-05-12T02:45:15 < Laurenceb_> virtually no issues with texane
2017-05-12T02:45:21 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-05-12T02:45:38 < emeb> you still using F1 parts?
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2017-05-12T02:46:30 < Laurenceb_> mainly, they do the job
2017-05-12T02:46:40 < Laurenceb_> using F4 in a couple of projects
2017-05-12T02:46:48 < Laurenceb_> dataloggers work fine with F1
2017-05-12T02:46:52 < emeb> yeah
2017-05-12T02:47:04 < emeb> wonder if texane handles F7
2017-05-12T02:47:22 < emeb> github has comments that suggest it might
2017-05-12T02:47:50 < Laurenceb_> englishman: other than sigfox clonage, I had one other idea but it increases the bom
2017-05-12T02:47:51 < emeb> but that was just added about a month ago - parts have been out for 1.5 yrs
2017-05-12T02:48:04 < emeb> so I'm guessing it still lags
2017-05-12T02:48:09 < Laurenceb_> base station has a fixed calling frequency
2017-05-12T02:48:23 < Laurenceb_> it calls each device every say 1000 seconds
2017-05-12T02:48:54 < Laurenceb_> after being called and replying, each device sleeps for like 990s or so then wakes up using rtc
2017-05-12T02:49:02 < englishman> I thought about call-response
2017-05-12T02:49:17 < englishman> but now every RX is waking up at that interval
2017-05-12T02:49:19 < englishman> Wastes power
2017-05-12T02:49:22 < Laurenceb_> it uses frequency hopping to find the base station
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2017-05-12T02:49:42 < englishman> instead, base station tells remote how long until next wakeup
2017-05-12T02:49:53 < Laurenceb_> I worked out about 30% excess power consumption
2017-05-12T02:49:54 < Laurenceb_> sure
2017-05-12T02:49:58 < englishman> schedule sent in the ack
2017-05-12T02:50:01 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-05-12T02:50:23 < Laurenceb_> so only excess current is from time spent finding the beacon
2017-05-12T02:50:31 < Laurenceb_> assuming base station power is free
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2017-05-12T02:50:40 < englishman> yes
2017-05-12T02:50:41 < Laurenceb_> then devices use extra 30% or so
2017-05-12T02:51:03 < englishman> single channel tho
2017-05-12T02:51:05 < Laurenceb_>  (I modelled 100 bits of data at 868mhz, 100bps 2psk with +-10ppm xtals)
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2017-05-12T02:51:21 < englishman> everything is single channel
2017-05-12T02:51:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah, so can never take as many packets as sigfox clonage
2017-05-12T02:52:16 < Laurenceb_>  "openfox" I can see it now
2017-05-12T02:52:22 < Laurenceb_> kickstarter pwnage
2017-05-12T02:52:26 < englishman> if this is ever a problem at my sample rate I can add receivers
2017-05-12T02:52:54 < englishman> But I think it won't be, at the ranges and sensor densities I am imagining.
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2017-05-12T03:47:51 < Rob235> ahh room is clean
2017-05-12T03:47:55 < Rob235> laundry done
2017-05-12T03:47:55 < Laurenceb_> when is crt coming to Britbongistan?
2017-05-12T03:48:03 < Laurenceb_> ur mum cleaned it
2017-05-12T03:48:08 < Laurenceb_> amirite
2017-05-12T03:48:20 < Rob235> my parents are dead..
2017-05-12T03:49:00 < Rob235> shit just got real :P
2017-05-12T03:49:59 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1400/92/1400928976022.jpg
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2017-05-12T03:51:47 < Laurenceb_> ah ages then
2017-05-12T03:51:56 < aandrew> https://hackaday.io/project/364-mipi-dsi-display-shieldhdmi-adapter
2017-05-12T03:52:00 < aandrew> fucker beat me to a working system. heh
2017-05-12T03:52:20 < aandrew> actually got it working like 5 years ago
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2017-05-12T03:58:13 < Laurenceb_> https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10596169&cid=54398229
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2017-05-12T04:00:07 < Laurenceb_> wew I just went on faceberg for first time in years
2017-05-12T04:00:31 < Laurenceb_> got a "news" feed that was 99% troll articles
2017-05-12T04:00:33 < upgrdman__> :/   https://www.modzero.ch/modlog/archives/2017/05/11/en_keylogger_in_hewlett-packard_audio_driver/index.html
2017-05-12T04:01:39 < Laurenceb_>  "this Corbyn supporting whore was filmed violating a war memorial, this is what you vote for it you dont vote for May"
2017-05-12T04:02:32 < Laurenceb_> even naturalnews.com is 10 times better than faceberg feed
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2017-05-12T04:07:42 < Laurenceb_> hopefully
2017-05-12T04:08:17 < Laurenceb_> I mean what kind of propogandist would unironically vote for may
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2017-05-12T04:28:40 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bonestamp.com/sgt/contents.htm
2017-05-12T04:28:48 < Laurenceb_> v interesting read
2017-05-12T04:28:54 < Laurenceb_> I like the disclaimer
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2017-05-12T05:11:11 < ohsix> lolling again at ssh keys
2017-05-12T05:11:35 < ohsix> i put it off for the longest time because i thought i'd be entering the key passphrase each time :[
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2017-05-12T05:31:14 < ohsix> blah i've got all my crap robot parts, can't put it off anymore
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2017-05-12T05:39:30 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/87cEhFC.gifv
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2017-05-12T05:43:35 < ohsix> seems legit
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2017-05-12T05:49:24 < ohsix> jstsciencechannel is kewl
2017-05-12T05:49:41 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/DVXGBz3mQUs?t=70 electrons going the wrong way tho!!11 (and the graphic for the battery has some nonsense english text on it :)
2017-05-12T05:50:20 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_l1Lr1UQAA3lZJ.jpg
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2017-05-12T05:54:59 < aandrew> hahahahahaha
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2017-05-12T06:00:46 < upgrdman> https://streamable.com/jg66f
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2017-05-12T06:59:32 < branjb> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1494556034616.png
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2017-05-12T07:02:44 < kOStiX>  http://imgur.com/a/1QcsC    anyone know what kind of connector is that on the black cable and the mating black jack on the pcb?
2017-05-12T07:08:10 < upgrdman> looks kinda like molex pico blade, but not sure
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2017-05-12T07:09:15 < kOStiX> just checked out pics of that and i think this one is tinier
2017-05-12T07:09:23 < kOStiX> smaller pitch
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2017-05-12T07:12:41 < englishman> lol branjb
2017-05-12T07:12:49 < englishman> fake as fuck but still funny
2017-05-12T07:15:42 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-12T07:15:53 < branjb>  >Oh my God, apparently I'm not just a whore, I'm a prostitute, and I haven't been getting paid!!!!!
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2017-05-12T08:37:30 < Streaker> Crimea belong to Russia from the beginning.
2017-05-12T08:37:47 < Streaker> Ukraine only short term owner.
2017-05-12T08:39:17 < Streaker> https://youtu.be/a4kQG_BvhYw
2017-05-12T08:46:18 < Streaker> Crimea belong to Russia in 21st century.
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2017-05-12T08:48:18 < Streaker> no.
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2017-05-12T09:09:39 < PaulFertser> R2COM: lol
2017-05-12T09:10:09 < PaulFertser> R2COM: of course I think Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
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2017-05-12T09:19:53 < ohsix> oua
2017-05-12T09:21:18 < ohsix> |kOStiX|: did you find it? also do you have calipers
2017-05-12T09:21:33 < ohsix> there's little plastic ones on aliexpress for 50c that are pretty ok ;]
2017-05-12T09:22:03 < ohsix> also i got a bunch of knobs a while back, like 80 of the same type, i have no use for them
2017-05-12T09:23:16 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/Ryv5HYX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WWhpdyT.jpg
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2017-05-12T09:30:43 < ohsix> watching Trading Places after listening t o an npr story about how plausible the end of the movie is heheh; al franken is in it
2017-05-12T09:30:52 < ohsix> so much philly
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2017-05-12T09:35:38 < ohsix> bah had to enter a password to shut down a windows machine
2017-05-12T09:36:22 < ohsix> englishman: do you still have the orangepi, and an rtl-sdr? i tried using gqrx on the pi3 and it was lockuptown
2017-05-12T09:36:40 < ohsix> friend had a pine64, and aside from sucking it runs gqrx p. damn good
2017-05-12T09:39:33 < ohsix> heh ads for apple II in the paper, rather than spot a million things and type them, bbl
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2017-05-12T09:59:42 < zyp> no.
2017-05-12T10:00:58 < zyp> sup?
2017-05-12T10:10:36 < gnom> http://seosait.com/karta-evropy-s-drevnix-vremen-do-sovremennyx-dnej/
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2017-05-12T10:14:39 < Steffanx> Oh noo.
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2017-05-12T10:29:42 < gnom> .11
2017-05-12T10:29:49 < gnom> sorry
2017-05-12T10:33:38 < upgrdman> <crt> i leave my stroopwafels in my workshop so when i am home i can think about eating stroopwafels
2017-05-12T10:33:42 < upgrdman> damn that's a good idea
2017-05-12T10:34:11 < upgrdman> *tips hat*
2017-05-12T10:41:48 < Steffanx>  \o/
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2017-05-12T10:44:52 < Steffanx> It gets warm and sloppy
2017-05-12T10:45:11 < Steffanx> You can also microwave it for like 5-10 sec.
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2017-05-12T10:46:30 < Steffanx> Its called the stroopwaffle challenge. Microwave it and get the two cookies from each other without breaking it.
2017-05-12T10:48:33 < Steffanx> Ya mate. Tay lang.
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2017-05-12T12:11:23 < mtbg> hi
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2017-05-12T12:29:18 < karlp> englishman: when you're getting into "base station tells remote how long until next wakeup" you're right into "bog standard builtinto 802.15.4 stuff, why are you reinventing it all" ;)
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2017-05-12T13:32:57 < kakeman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity-aware_programming
2017-05-12T13:34:41 < kakeman> anyone have tips and tricks to share?
2017-05-12T13:35:20 < PaulFertser> Ask R2COM
2017-05-12T13:35:29 < kakeman> other than enable watchdog, use mem protection areas
2017-05-12T13:35:43 < kakeman> something code level
2017-05-12T13:36:36 < zyp> checks and error handling
2017-05-12T13:37:03 < zyp> i.e. don't let errors propagate through your system, catch and handle them
2017-05-12T13:37:15 < kakeman> checks as check variables are in range every time?
2017-05-12T13:38:25 < mtbg> it would be easier to do in hardware
2017-05-12T13:38:27 < zyp> yeah, just general sanity checks
2017-05-12T13:38:31 < zyp> and yeah
2017-05-12T13:38:43 < mtbg> ecc on memory and registers
2017-05-12T13:39:08 < mtbg> and cosmic muon interrupt handler
2017-05-12T13:39:27 < mtbg> if ecc indicates flipped bit
2017-05-12T13:39:27 < zyp> the project I'm working on at work is using ti hercules, since it has hardware to take care of catching errors from outside interference
2017-05-12T13:39:51 < mtbg> sanity checking will work only in limited cases
2017-05-12T13:39:59 < mtbg> and with simple data structures
2017-05-12T13:40:13 < zyp> software checks are more useful for data coming from external sources
2017-05-12T13:41:45 < zyp> mtbg, sanity checking is still useful
2017-05-12T13:42:11 < zyp> it's simple and it also guards against programmer error
2017-05-12T13:42:32 < mtbg> but it usually is sane system checking data of dubious sanity
2017-05-12T13:42:43 < mtbg> and not dubious sanity system checking itself
2017-05-12T13:42:44 < mtbg> :>
2017-05-12T13:43:17 < kakeman> errors - cannot catch them all
2017-05-12T13:43:19 < zyp> it doesn't matter, the point is to catch when something doesn't add up, for whatever reason
2017-05-12T13:43:27 < zyp> and handle it properly
2017-05-12T13:43:39 < zyp> kakeman, what is this for?
2017-05-12T13:44:47 < kakeman> general programming practice
2017-05-12T13:45:09 < zyp> general practice? don't worry about SUEs
2017-05-12T13:45:18 < mtbg> I think you can end up with paranoid asserts
2017-05-12T13:45:21 < mtbg> and unreadable code
2017-05-12T13:45:30 < mtbg> that is difficult to modify
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2017-05-12T13:46:02 < mtbg> because then you have to remember to change the asserts
2017-05-12T13:46:07 < mtbg> as the algorithm changes
2017-05-12T13:46:12 < zyp> unless you're doing anything safety critical or going into space, SUEs should be too rare that there's a point in worrying about them
2017-05-12T13:47:13 < mtbg> in space, hardware approach is still better
2017-05-12T13:47:30 < zyp> of course
2017-05-12T13:50:12 < mtbg> if data stays in RAM idling for most of the time
2017-05-12T13:50:32 < mtbg> and then you sometimes have to do some processing in short bursts
2017-05-12T13:50:47 < mtbg> that are not very time-critical
2017-05-12T13:51:19 < mtbg> then you could possibly prevent random ram changes quite easily and efficiently
2017-05-12T13:51:34 < mtbg> something like software ecc or checksums in ram
2017-05-12T13:52:51 < zyp> when I wrote a firmware to erase and reprogram the bootloader on boards I sold, I added a checksum so that it would only execute if it passed a self-test
2017-05-12T13:53:20 < zyp> because if it failed it would have bricked the boards requiring jtag/swd to recover
2017-05-12T13:54:53 < mtbg> hmm
2017-05-12T13:55:21 < mtbg> doubling the data types and fixing compiler so that it always read and write two locations
2017-05-12T13:55:29 < mtbg> and compare it on read
2017-05-12T13:55:42 < mtbg> can have quite low performance impact
2017-05-12T13:55:52 < mtbg> but then you have half the ram available
2017-05-12T13:56:04 < mtbg> but you can verify the data in every memory access
2017-05-12T13:59:18 < zyp> stm32l got ecc, btw
2017-05-12T13:59:50 < zyp> well, ecc on flash, parity check on ram, it says
2017-05-12T14:00:03 < zyp> which I guess means it'll catch ram errors but not correct them
2017-05-12T14:00:07 < mtbg> as for bootloader, maybe keeping it minimal and not overwriting it on update is an option
2017-05-12T14:00:33 < zyp> yeah, the boards in question weren't meant to have an upgradable bootloader
2017-05-12T14:01:06 < zyp> but I fucked up and shipped the first boards with one that didn't work properly (fucked up some usb descriptors so it wouldn't enumerate properly)
2017-05-12T14:02:16 < zyp> it was still possible to flash through it by manually binding winusb and accessing through that, which is how I flashed the rewriter firmware
2017-05-12T14:03:03 < zyp> once rewriter started, it self-checked, replaced the original bootloader and then erased itself so it would run only once
2017-05-12T14:03:08 < kakeman> is there automatic code generation that could dramatically increase code safety in case of SUEs ?
2017-05-12T14:03:23 < zyp> didn't have any reports of any accidents with it
2017-05-12T14:03:28 < kakeman> some flag that generates extra checks compile time
2017-05-12T14:03:32 < kakeman> or so
2017-05-12T14:03:56 < zyp> not sure, only thing I can think of are stack canaries, and they are not related to SUEs at all
2017-05-12T14:04:02 < zyp> why are you worried about SUEs?
2017-05-12T14:04:32 < kakeman> I'm the master of irrelevance
2017-05-12T14:12:50 < kakeman> what is function token?
2017-05-12T14:13:04 < kakeman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity-aware_programming#/media/File:Memory_Function_Token_and_NOP.png
2017-05-12T14:14:34 < mtbg> you have it explained in the article
2017-05-12T14:15:11 < mtbg> a global variable which tells you which function was meant to be called
2017-05-12T14:16:09 < mtbg> if pc, due to bit flip, lands in some different place, then probably it will be detected by checking the token
2017-05-12T14:17:25 < kakeman> it's token passing
2017-05-12T14:20:49 < kakeman> what is the function of those pink areas in the prog mem graph?
2017-05-12T14:25:44 < kakeman> why those are spaced in there like that?
2017-05-12T14:26:45 < kakeman> I don't see the point to store token constants like that
2017-05-12T14:28:16 < kakeman> hey... when you have good code you can actually run multiple instances of your code on the same chip :0
2017-05-12T14:29:27 < kakeman> instead of duplicated variables and such
2017-05-12T14:29:34 < kakeman> have whole instances
2017-05-12T14:31:28 < mtbg> the pink areas are probably token checks
2017-05-12T14:31:52 < mtbg> it is just informational, to show how are they interleaved with functions
2017-05-12T14:32:20 < kakeman> arent those pink areas actually inside function code not as seperate part?
2017-05-12T14:33:48 < mtbg> they are
2017-05-12T14:34:34 < mtbg> but not necessarily represented as a part of the function body
2017-05-12T14:35:06 < mtbg> you could have a compiler which generates the checks automatically
2017-05-12T14:39:05 < kakeman> yeah
2017-05-12T14:39:17 < kakeman> so gcc?
2017-05-12T14:40:13 < mtbg> I don't think it does
2017-05-12T14:42:47 < kakeman> I don't think I would do that in code level it's ugly as hell
2017-05-12T14:43:27 < kakeman> and can be fully automated
2017-05-12T14:43:37 < kakeman> bbl>
2017-05-12T14:51:14 < karlp> SUE's == single unexplained event?
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2017-05-12T14:51:52 < zyp> upset
2017-05-12T14:52:08 < zyp> oh, it's SEU
2017-05-12T14:52:09 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_event_upset
2017-05-12T14:52:55 < mtbg> esd diodes, tvs, ferrite beads and low impedance caps
2017-05-12T14:53:15 < mtbg> and proper shielding in noisy environment
2017-05-12T14:53:56 < mtbg> wiring with minimal loop area
2017-05-12T14:54:17 < mtbg> i.e. return wires as close to other as possible
2017-05-12T14:54:31 < mtbg> and most of such problems is prevented
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2017-05-12T14:55:22 < karlp> f7 spotted: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/14186
2017-05-12T14:55:41 < karlp> still only uses usb-fs
2017-05-12T14:56:07 < karlp> can't actually be used as a sub camera
2017-05-12T14:56:11 < karlp> as a usb camera
2017-05-12T14:56:23 < zyp> that doesn't seem to be the purpose either
2017-05-12T14:57:35 < mtbg> if it was just a camera interface
2017-05-12T14:57:42 < mtbg> then firewire is much better option
2017-05-12T14:57:43 < karlp> no, but you'd think you'd include that
2017-05-12T14:57:53 < karlp> welel, I would have thought so.
2017-05-12T14:58:00 < zyp> mtbg, not when there's hardly any firmware hosts left :)
2017-05-12T14:58:55  * karlp laughs at firewire
2017-05-12T14:59:16 < mtbg> firewire has more complex phy
2017-05-12T14:59:22 < mtbg> and that is its problem
2017-05-12T14:59:38 < mtbg> not suitable for low cost consumer grade electronics
2017-05-12T14:59:49 < mtbg> but for industry, it would be much better than usb
2017-05-12T14:59:55 < mtbg> in such application
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2017-05-12T15:33:00 < englishman> karlp: well I typed #include "802.15.4.h" and it didn't compile
2017-05-12T15:36:31 < Laurenceb_> englishman: I have a new business idea
2017-05-12T15:36:41 < Laurenceb_> sigfox clonage on a cubesat
2017-05-12T15:36:57 < Laurenceb_> this might actually work...
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2017-05-12T15:55:15 < Steffanx> Did you simulate it yet Laurenceb_?
2017-05-12T15:56:21 < englishman> it might actually work*
2017-05-12T15:56:33 < englishman> *in an academic setting after 9 years of work by 7 paid students
2017-05-12T15:56:56 < Laurenceb_> yeah but megabux
2017-05-12T15:57:10 < englishman> then you'd be stupid not to. get to it
2017-05-12T15:58:21 < Laurenceb_> the sigfox patent is worthless, anyone could clone it
2017-05-12T15:58:56 < Thorn> apparently one of my st-links has serial V?kH?IR$? and another S?pP?TTE? (according to openocd)
2017-05-12T15:59:06 < Laurenceb_> bbl
2017-05-12T16:00:33 < englishman> Laurenceb_: maybe you can get an academic grant from sigfox for this work
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2017-05-12T16:13:12 < Steffanx> He can also become a mailman
2017-05-12T16:17:20 < jpa-> is that like a mailwife?
2017-05-12T16:18:54 < Steffanx> Not sure, englishman wants to be one..
2017-05-12T16:19:26 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-12T16:19:31 < englishman> i'll never be qualified tho
2017-05-12T16:20:56 < englishman> + there is like a 10 year wait list
2017-05-12T16:24:00 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BT_itC8h0Cx/
2017-05-12T16:45:18 < mtbg> Thorn: quality software from st apparently
2017-05-12T16:45:21 < mtbg> that stlink
2017-05-12T16:48:45 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/EEjeqFzTRI4?t=10m3s
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2017-05-12T17:33:49 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/h6A6S
2017-05-12T17:34:59 < englishman> branjb what does your nick mean
2017-05-12T17:36:31 < branjb> my name
2017-05-12T17:37:45 < englishman> brandon jesus berenstein
2017-05-12T17:37:54 < branjb> how'd you know?
2017-05-12T17:38:05 < englishman> jewdar
2017-05-12T17:39:27 < branjb> i managed to use 1 project this semester for 3 classes
2017-05-12T17:39:30 < branjb> that turned out pretty sweet
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2017-05-12T17:54:01 < denkdireinenaus> hey, did anyone ever have a problem with the i2c clock being permamently pulled low after generating start condition on a stm32f1?
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2017-05-12T18:02:56 < englishman> omfg fuck cypress
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2017-05-12T18:43:58 < Peter_M> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1494367645372.webm lol
2017-05-12T18:45:55 < Steffanx> Suka blyat.
2017-05-12T18:46:44 < Steffanx> Uhm no, denkdireinenaus
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2017-05-12T18:53:49 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2017-05-12T18:53:53 < Laurenceb> I'm in jail
2017-05-12T18:54:11 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39899646
2017-05-12T18:54:17 < Laurenceb> wasn't my servers
2017-05-12T18:54:25 < Laurenceb> honest
2017-05-12T18:59:33 < englishman> i thought she was going to pull out some unexploded ordinance
2017-05-12T19:00:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsCJU9djdIc
2017-05-12T19:01:09 < Laurenceb> whyyyy
2017-05-12T19:01:55 < Laurenceb> surely they can haxor it
2017-05-12T19:03:27 < emeb> how many cellphones can you connect to a wifi router before it starts to bog down?
2017-05-12T19:04:15 < Steffanx> Depends on the ap/router i guess
2017-05-12T19:04:42 < emeb> and the BW of the data they're using I suppose.
2017-05-12T19:04:53 < emeb> for clickfarming it's probably not a lot per phone.
2017-05-12T19:05:15 < Steffanx> Downstairs one fails at doing 3. Unifi one does 8 easily, but i have no clue what the limit is.
2017-05-12T19:07:24 < Steffanx> Oh you are referring to to that click farm video emeb ?
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2017-05-12T19:10:01 < Rob235> hmm what to watch
2017-05-12T19:11:38 < englishman> anyone want to suggest some wire-to-wire connectors with high availability from JST/etc
2017-05-12T19:11:49 < englishman> just need 5 low current connections, for usb
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2017-05-12T19:20:34 < Laurenceb> business idea: esp32 clickfarmer
2017-05-12T19:21:53 < Laurenceb> new levels of larp http://www.isengard.co.uk/images/JPEGS/Speeder_DW30-4-17TT.jpg
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2017-05-12T19:23:15 < Laurenceb> http://www.isengard.co.uk/images/JPEGS/French%20Speeder_PC30-4-17%20A.jpg
2017-05-12T19:23:24 < Laurenceb> irc irl
2017-05-12T19:23:56 < englishman> cool bridge
2017-05-12T19:24:32 < Steffanx> IRCers dont go outside
2017-05-12T19:29:32 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2017-05-12T19:29:47 < Laurenceb> my new boss is a Liberal Democrat supporter
2017-05-12T19:30:14  * Laurenceb is listening in with internal phone haxorage
2017-05-12T19:30:56 < Laurenceb> how embarrassing
2017-05-12T19:35:25 < Laurenceb> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10604879&cid=54406145
2017-05-12T19:36:29 < Steffanx> Ok
2017-05-12T19:38:45 < Laurenceb> going on his wall now https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1474/29/1474290456842.jpg
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2017-05-12T19:46:04 < Laurenceb>  > Why haven't hospitals switched to Gentoo yet?
2017-05-12T19:47:19 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/vZd0uLI
2017-05-12T19:50:58 < englishman> Laurenceb: digikey has lora hoperf modules cheaper than bare ICs
2017-05-12T19:51:00 < englishman> lol
2017-05-12T19:51:46 < Laurenceb>  >lora
2017-05-12T19:52:32 < Laurenceb> what the literal fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EW-6BNnwCE
2017-05-12T19:52:50 < Laurenceb> who unironically dresses like that
2017-05-12T19:56:07 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/k4cHG10 now I've seen everything
2017-05-12T19:59:57 < karlp> Thorn: yeah, old stlinks believed that serials could be just any string of binary, didn't bother making them valid strings.
2017-05-12T20:00:12 < karlp> Thorn: newest firmwares present nice numerical ones.
2017-05-12T20:05:13 < emeb> Steffanx: yes - talking about the clickfarm vid
2017-05-12T20:06:27 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/JakubKroustek/status/863045197663490053
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2017-05-12T21:43:45 < Steffanx> A very good morning sir crt
2017-05-12T21:49:02 < englishman> new canuck film this weekend
2017-05-12T21:50:52 < englishman> welcome to tomorrow crt http://i.imgur.com/GiEZ2nu.jpg
2017-05-12T21:51:05 < englishman> this is how he greets me every morning now
2017-05-12T21:51:46 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-5amD8XgAA9dJB.jpg
2017-05-12T21:52:10 < Laurenceb> unexpected ending
2017-05-12T21:52:47 < Laurenceb> push the cat
2017-05-12T21:52:51 < Steffanx> Why so damn early mr crt?
2017-05-12T21:53:04 < Steffanx> Canuck film englishman?
2017-05-12T21:54:05 < englishman> bon cop bad cop 2
2017-05-12T21:54:38 < Steffanx>  Action, Comedy, Crime meh
2017-05-12T21:54:43 < Steffanx> bad combination
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2017-05-12T21:56:33 < Rob235> anyone see trainspotting 2?
2017-05-12T21:56:44 < englishman> french lessons staffans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U72QVCgh_Q
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2017-05-12T22:00:36 < Steffanx> Je ne parle pas français monsieur l'anglais.
2017-05-12T22:04:04 < Steffanx> Tay Lang.
2017-05-12T22:05:20 < Steffanx> What to buy from mouser crt?
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2017-05-12T22:06:01 < Steffanx> Did some pcb, and figured some part is only available from digikey/mouser
2017-05-12T22:07:25 < englishman> beep aandrew
2017-05-12T22:07:27 < englishman> oh no
2017-05-12T22:07:30 < englishman> aadamson:
2017-05-12T22:08:20 < Steffanx> igbt, but i dont need those
2017-05-12T22:10:19 < Steffanx> You are not being helpful crt
2017-05-12T22:11:25 < zyp> Steffanx, don't you keep a list?
2017-05-12T22:11:32 < Streake_> Buy a buy a PA04 everyone needs opamps
2017-05-12T22:11:44 < Steffanx> not really zyp.
2017-05-12T22:12:11 < zyp> I have a list of shit I kinda want for next time I have to pad an order
2017-05-12T22:12:21 < zyp> right now I have http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/b-l475e-iot01a.html and http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/b-l072z-lrwan1.html on it
2017-05-12T22:13:11 < Steffanx> I have them on my "list", but those things are not available, zyp.
2017-05-12T22:13:18 < zyp> oh, ok
2017-05-12T22:13:33 < zyp> well, the third item on my list are esd bags, but I guess you don't need them :p
2017-05-12T22:13:53 < Steffanx> hehe no
2017-05-12T22:15:15 < Steffanx> Does mouser ship products that are in stock when you also order an item that is not in stock?
2017-05-12T22:19:29 < Ultrasauce> yes
2017-05-12T22:27:36 < Steffanx> We finally got to see crt
2017-05-12T22:33:10 < Streake_> I bet those boobs are real
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2017-05-12T22:37:39 < Steffanx> P-NUCLEO-USB001, wasnt mr dongs working on something like that?
2017-05-12T22:39:36 < zyp> think he commented on it
2017-05-12T22:39:48 < zyp> but then bought that chromium thing
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2017-05-13T00:47:35 < englishman> Laurenceb: lol at NHS running windows 7
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2017-05-13T01:15:54 < Steffanx> Why upgrade?
2017-05-13T01:16:09 < Steffanx> Sounds like a tedious job in a hospital
2017-05-13T01:18:01 < Steffanx> And this attack is nice. Hopefully people will finally wake up
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2017-05-13T01:20:20 < upgrdman> what attack
2017-05-13T01:20:20 < Laurenceb_> englishman: did you get axsemi working yet
2017-05-13T01:20:24 < Laurenceb_> a semi
2017-05-13T01:20:42 < Laurenceb_> muh dataloggers hacked the health service
2017-05-13T01:22:31 < englishman> lol no I'm not wasting any more time on that shit
2017-05-13T01:23:02 < Steffanx> Some ransomware virus went rogue upgrdman
2017-05-13T01:23:38 < upgrdman> ? lots got hit?
2017-05-13T01:23:54 < englishman> getting rfm96 from digikey and using tarduino libs
2017-05-13T01:24:14 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-05-13T01:24:48 < Laurenceb_> hoperf shit
2017-05-13T01:25:57 < Steffanx> Kinda. upgrdman. Uk hospitals, germany railway company, some spanish provider (telefonica) and probably many more
2017-05-13T01:26:18 < upgrdman> that sucks
2017-05-13T01:26:47 < Steffanx> It shows how stupid we actually are.
2017-05-13T01:27:31 < upgrdman> we == all europeans?
2017-05-13T01:27:35 < upgrdman> ;)
2017-05-13T01:27:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.instagram.com/p/BT_huw7hlv_/
2017-05-13T01:28:00 < Laurenceb_> lulwut looks like standardkit
2017-05-13T01:28:38 < Steffanx> Better get trump elected upgrdman
2017-05-13T01:28:51 < Steffanx> Oh shit.. guess what.
2017-05-13T01:28:56 < upgrdman> :)
2017-05-13T01:29:40 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-05-13T01:29:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.instagram.com/p/BT_itC8h0Cx/
2017-05-13T01:29:59 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop was a failure so they rebranded it
2017-05-13T01:30:59 < Steffanx> Ok Lil Blaxter.
2017-05-13T01:36:35 < mtbg> underground hyperloops won't fail in such spectacular manner
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2017-05-13T01:54:51 < invzim> whoa, transparency 2d view in altium rocks
2017-05-13T01:58:00 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3QjU0UkJ6TjBqUEU/view
2017-05-13T01:58:28 < invzim> now I can finally see where the tracks start and end and not dick about blindly trying to move stuff on a pad
2017-05-13T02:01:12 < englishman> Laurenceb_: hoperf > axsem
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2017-05-13T02:50:19 < DanteA> in steam
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2017-05-13T03:11:17 < jadew> no disconnections anymore
2017-05-13T03:11:28 < jadew> I think I was being attacked
2017-05-13T03:22:45 < jadew> I have a site that tells the IP, I started hosting it somewhere else and changed my IP and the problem went away
2017-05-13T03:23:01 < jadew> so I assume the attack came from some petty owner of a similar site
2017-05-13T03:23:40 < jadew> it seems it was enough to make my router miss packets
2017-05-13T03:25:09 < jadew> yeah
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2017-05-13T04:21:48 < ohsix> just something something
2017-05-13T04:22:20 < ohsix> jadew: what site?
2017-05-13T04:22:35 < jadew> ohsix: http://ipecho.net/
2017-05-13T04:23:17 < ohsix> englishman: only hoperf has humiture sensor http://www.hoperf.com/upload/ad_pic/bigad4.jpg
2017-05-13T04:23:37 < ohsix> jadew: nice
2017-05-13T04:23:57 < ohsix> jadew: drones use sites like that to find their external ip too, you can end up with malware being the ~only user of it
2017-05-13T04:24:28 < jadew> it's being used by a lot of stuff
2017-05-13T04:24:32 < jadew> since it's pretty old
2017-05-13T04:24:54 < jadew> gets many millions of requests per day
2017-05-13T04:25:32 < jadew> but they all hit here: http://ipecho.net/plain
2017-05-13T04:25:37 < ohsix> right
2017-05-13T04:25:46 < ohsix> do you get stats that bin by ua
2017-05-13T04:26:15 < jadew> I don't log the traffic for that URL
2017-05-13T04:26:38 < ohsix> you could probably find otu what malware / router firmware/scripts are using it
2017-05-13T04:26:54 < jadew> eh, most of them send an empty string
2017-05-13T04:27:05 < jadew> or it's something generic like "Python HTTP Fetcher"
2017-05-13T04:28:04 < ohsix> heh if you google for "ipecho.net " top suggest is malware
2017-05-13T04:28:20 < jadew> yeah, I think someone is trying to smear it
2017-05-13T04:28:29 < ohsix> noice there are sigs from malware that use it
2017-05-13T04:28:48 < ohsix> https://www.threatminer.org/domain.php?q=ipecho.net
2017-05-13T04:29:11 < jadew> it got reported as such a couple of months ago I think but then got removed, because it was a fake flag
2017-05-13T04:29:45 < ohsix> nah they're not smearing it, it's just something you see when you're looking at traffic, maybe not even on machines that are acting weird, and you find out that it is malware
2017-05-13T04:29:56 < ohsix> https://www.sophos.com/en-us/threat-center/threat-analyses/viruses-and-spyware/Troj~Ransom-CNQ/detailed-analysis.aspx
2017-05-13T04:30:33 < jadew> heh
2017-05-13T04:30:55 < jadew> I guess it's natural
2017-05-13T04:33:59 < englishman> ruby is a terrorist language https://github.com/ElevenPaths/Eternalblue-Doublepulsar-Metasploit/blob/master/eternalblue_doublepulsar.rb
2017-05-13T04:38:32 < englishman> step by step guide on how to pwn all of europe, posted 3 days ago https://www.smittix.co.uk/exploiting-ms17-010-using-eternalblue-and-doublepulsar-to-gain-a-remote-meterpreter-shell/
2017-05-13T05:01:03 < ohsix> jadew: yup
2017-05-13T05:02:38 < ohsix> jadew: tradgedy of the commons etc etc
2017-05-13T05:02:55 < ohsix> heheh people building malware is why i left the windows programming channels i was in
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2017-05-13T05:03:17 < ohsix> anyone that had a real job was doing nothing, and hundreds of people a month were asking how to do something for their malware
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2017-05-13T05:18:09 < ohsix> the avr target for ida doesn't support the type system
2017-05-13T05:18:16 < ohsix> it's weird doing stuff without it
2017-05-13T05:28:03 < ohsix> guh the ttp touch sensor parts have enough pins to do serial comms w/ irq pin but they dont???/
2017-05-13T05:28:53 < ohsix> just the output pins that make them work like a button, which is cool, but not doing the rest is weird
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2017-05-13T05:31:55 < ohsix> dudes are putting together an eagle class, going to be interesting
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2017-05-13T06:43:15 < branjb> i am
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2017-05-13T07:09:26 < branjb> anyone used TIs micros?
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2017-05-13T07:50:11 < upgrdman> nice api documentation  http://pinvoke.net/default.aspx/user32/SendNiggerToCottonPlantation.html
2017-05-13T07:50:59 < upgrdman> also  http://i.imgur.com/TFVuOKa.png
2017-05-13T07:51:16 < upgrdman> ^ how i imagine dongs' code
2017-05-13T07:55:42 < ohsix> heh
2017-05-13T07:57:32 < ohsix> :< i have to tech-babysit someone tomorrow and i have no idea what we're going to do
2017-05-13T07:57:58 < upgrdman> for the NRF24 guys  http://imgur.com/a/TanOg
2017-05-13T07:59:12 < ohsix> eh
2017-05-13T07:59:19 < ohsix> why do they even have a new one if it's not copyleft
2017-05-13T07:59:50 < ohsix> oh right, only used with blah blah
2017-05-13T08:00:06 < ohsix> i understand their business and how nice it is some of the code is available, but that shit sucks bad
2017-05-13T08:00:14 < ohsix> everyone could be on the 802.14.5 train already
2017-05-13T08:00:50 < ohsix> speaking of, si4463
2017-05-13T08:01:02 < ohsix> hueg range of bands and shit
2017-05-13T08:02:06 < ohsix> silabs probably has some source available 14.5 junk for it too, but they're merely used in the band and don't have embedded microcontrollers you have access to
2017-05-13T08:11:44 < ohsix> this reads like the most ad-like thing i've ever seen on wikipedia and it's not even marked as such https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_insulation_wool
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2017-05-13T09:06:25 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/ire5sg3416xy.png
2017-05-13T09:06:51 < ohsix> mare
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2017-05-13T09:08:53 < ohsix> how do you stop headliner falling in car :< don't care to fix it, just to stop progression
2017-05-13T09:08:57 < ohsix> thinking of stapling around the edges
2017-05-13T09:10:23 < emeb_mac> http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Super-77-16-75-fl-oz-Multi-Purpose-Spray-Adhesive-77-24/100067550
2017-05-13T09:11:21 < ohsix> though hm if i repaired it i could put some silly fabric up there
2017-05-13T09:11:26 < ohsix> ya i've used that before
2017-05-13T09:11:42 < ohsix> for repairing slits in plastic
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2017-05-13T09:12:07 < ohsix> it's only coming down in the back where nobody sits, if i could arrest it i can leave it as is
2017-05-13T09:12:31 < ohsix> the warmer weather is making it tighten up like a drum during the day, advancing the border
2017-05-13T09:13:13 < ohsix> would be kind of cool to have tartan up there or something heheheh
2017-05-13T09:13:18 < ohsix> if i do it to be weird then it isn't work!
2017-05-13T09:15:05 < upgrdman> ohsix, how olds your car?
2017-05-13T09:16:27 < emeb_mac> lol tartan
2017-05-13T09:16:35 < ohsix> 1991
2017-05-13T09:16:43 < ohsix> it's a piece but it runs ok
2017-05-13T09:16:48 < emeb_mac> ok - that's old.
2017-05-13T09:17:17 < ohsix> the person who found it for me got it for like 300 bux and gave it to me
2017-05-13T09:17:23 < upgrdman> my first car was an 86 accord. was actually pretty decent but the AC didnt work, and it had very little powe.
2017-05-13T09:17:25 < upgrdman> power.
2017-05-13T09:17:30 < ohsix> 4cyl?
2017-05-13T09:17:33 < upgrdman> ya
2017-05-13T09:17:36 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-13T09:17:36 < emeb_mac> I unloaded my 1990 nissan pickup last year after it broke down for the 3rd time in as many months
2017-05-13T09:17:59 < upgrdman> my current car is an 05, and runs great but the clear coat is oxidizing
2017-05-13T09:18:24 < ohsix> the exhaust manifold was loose on my car the entire time i owned it, until i had to actually do some repairs and looked at it last september, after i closed it it's all quiet and not that bad
2017-05-13T09:18:51 < emeb_mac> probably smells better too
2017-05-13T09:18:53 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/9Lnb1o6.jpg
2017-05-13T09:19:07 < ohsix> yea i can leave the air on external withotu having to turn it off at stoplights
2017-05-13T09:19:34 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-05-13T09:19:37 < ohsix> this was near the end of sf trip
2017-05-13T09:19:49 < ohsix> i was _one block_ from my house when it shredded the timing belt
2017-05-13T09:19:50 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/mkbIJ2f.jpg
2017-05-13T09:19:57 < emeb_mac> lucky
2017-05-13T09:20:17 < ohsix> yea, good story too
2017-05-13T09:20:33 < ohsix> something to distract from the horrrrrific wrecks i saw in southern oregon on the way back
2017-05-13T09:20:46 < emeb_mac> you're supposed to replace the belt every 60k miles or so, no?
2017-05-13T09:21:12 < ohsix> yea
2017-05-13T09:21:18 < ohsix> i have no service records tho
2017-05-13T09:21:30 < upgrdman> when i was a new driver i went to a taco bell drive through. the pathway has a little divider (thin curb) that ended like two feet after the food window. didnt see the curb, and when i exited the drive through i drove up on the little curb and drove over it. coming down, it broke my muffler off of it's pipe. lol
2017-05-13T09:21:42 < ohsix> the odometer said like 65k, it's only 5 digits tho so i have no idea if it's >100k
2017-05-13T09:21:55 < emeb_mac> reminds me - my 4yo car just passed 60k...
2017-05-13T09:22:08 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-13T09:22:15 < emeb_mac> wonder what the interval on the belt is for that one
2017-05-13T09:22:33 < ohsix> this year i'm going to fix the valve cover gasket, cuz it's all rtv'd like an idiot went at it (same one that didn't reattach muffler i imagine)
2017-05-13T09:22:36 < emeb_mac> I suppose the maintenance screen on it would say.
2017-05-13T09:22:55 < emeb_mac> gah - rtv
2017-05-13T09:22:56 < ohsix> how does one test how long a belt will last like that
2017-05-13T09:23:17 < ohsix> can you just take the number of flexes, the composition of the belt, and the length it passes over the flexes?
2017-05-13T09:23:17 < upgrdman> my 05 has 150k miles on it. but lots of short rides, so prolly equiv to 200k miles of wear and tare
2017-05-13T09:23:29 < emeb_mac> beats me - just go by the mfg recommendation
2017-05-13T09:23:30 < upgrdman> i think my 86 accord only had like 90k miles on it
2017-05-13T09:23:36 < ohsix> i imagine you can get p. close like that,  but i don't know much about belts
2017-05-13T09:23:58 < ohsix> the belt still looked fine, the teeth just came off
2017-05-13T09:24:17 < emeb_mac> time counts too - old but low miles is still bad
2017-05-13T09:24:26 < ohsix> i apparently had an early model with a special belt too
2017-05-13T09:24:50 < ohsix> it was in storage for like 10 years, weird circumstance really
2017-05-13T09:25:01 < emeb_mac> pal bought a used 2001 civic w/ CVT
2017-05-13T09:25:11 < emeb_mac> apparently they had a really bad design that year
2017-05-13T09:25:18 < ohsix> i stopped driving it when i stopped working for the guy that found it for me, and when gas went over 2.50/gal; and only started using it again last year
2017-05-13T09:25:25 < emeb_mac> he's had it in the shop a lot - hates Honda now
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2017-05-13T09:48:02 < englishman> good morning fellow professional irc EEers and ancillary chatters
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2017-05-13T12:01:50 < jadew> in case you guys don't know about it: https://github.com/cmderdev/cmder
2017-05-13T12:02:04 < jadew> good console
2017-05-13T12:04:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: how is it possible so many pro windows machines ended up having SMB port opened to untrusted sources?
2017-05-13T12:06:12 < Steffanx> Because 99% of thr sysadmins have no clue what theyre doing?
2017-05-13T12:07:25 < Steffanx> Stop alcohol crt
2017-05-13T12:07:30 < Steffanx> And drugs
2017-05-13T12:07:56 < mtbg> I think there was another vulnerability in SMB
2017-05-13T12:08:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I think windows has sane firewall settings by default.
2017-05-13T12:08:06 < mtbg> dating back to win98
2017-05-13T12:08:28 < mtbg> and it was in all the versions up to vista with some service pack
2017-05-13T12:08:35 < mtbg> or even to win7
2017-05-13T12:09:30 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: when you e.g. connect to a guest wifi it asks you if it's a "home/corporate network" or not and configures the firewall accordingly.
2017-05-13T12:09:32 < mtbg> and then now again there is a hole in smb
2017-05-13T12:10:01 < mtbg> did ms not learn from the previous one?
2017-05-13T12:10:44 < mtbg> I think they have too little responsibility, people are locked to their software so they won't lose customers
2017-05-13T12:11:45 < PaulFertser> mtbg: how is it possible to deal with all possible issues within a complex protocol implementation? "Defensive programming" even when consistently employed through the whole product lifetime still doesn't guarantee anything. And mathematically proven implementations are not getting industry traction for some reason.
2017-05-13T12:11:45 < mtbg> and probably they even protect themself from liability by license
2017-05-13T12:12:19 < PaulFertser> Regarding the recent news, microsoft patched that smb hole 2 months ago, that's plenty.
2017-05-13T12:13:18 < mtbg> PaulFertser: there are several modern techniques to deal with sensitive software
2017-05-13T12:14:07 < mtbg> sandboxing or other isolation being one
2017-05-13T12:14:47 < mtbg> there are also stack canaries, languages insensitive to buffer overflows
2017-05-13T12:15:16 < Thorn> xip otp rom
2017-05-13T12:15:18 < mtbg> address space virtualization and mmu protection of data/bss/heap/stack sections
2017-05-13T12:15:30 < PaulFertser> ROP can take care of many of those you mention.
2017-05-13T12:15:44 < PaulFertser> Also, I thought windows kernel is using ASLR already, aren't they?
2017-05-13T12:16:10 < mtbg> s/virtualization/randomization/
2017-05-13T12:16:45 < Thorn> if mmu is microcoded you can poison the microcode in bios, it will take effect on next boot
2017-05-13T12:17:04 < PaulFertser> Or is it just for the userspace? So any kernel exploit and windows user is fucked?
2017-05-13T12:18:36 < PaulFertser> mtbg: I do not think microsoft could have possibly fixed all smb bugs in any commercially meaningful way.
2017-05-13T12:19:57 < mtbg> so they should now recompensate the losses
2017-05-13T12:20:15 < mtbg> they choose such business model
2017-05-13T12:20:23 < mtbg> so they have to take the risk
2017-05-13T12:21:13 < Thorn> soon enough all internet-facing software will need to be certified
2017-05-13T12:21:21 < PaulFertser> Do you think they would lose less if they just disabled SMBv1 altogether?
2017-05-13T12:21:22 < Thorn> goodbye open source
2017-05-13T12:21:58 < mtbg> I think they won't
2017-05-13T12:22:13 < mtbg> and that was their choice
2017-05-13T12:22:58 < mtbg> so now it is their resposibility to fix their customers situation
2017-05-13T12:23:36 < PaulFertser> Customers that had 2 months to simply let automatic windows update do its job?
2017-05-13T12:24:22  * invzim pats himself on the back for implementing a strict and forced update regime at his company, automatic reboots etc
2017-05-13T12:25:09 < Steffanx> Automatic reboots?
2017-05-13T12:25:35 < invzim> yeah, windows clients update themselves, and reboots
2017-05-13T12:25:45 < Steffanx> As in. Fuck you and what you are working on. REBOOT.
2017-05-13T12:25:55 < invzim> they get a warning, but basically yeah
2017-05-13T12:26:07 < zyp> I fucking hate coming to work and finding that my computer has rebooted over the night
2017-05-13T12:26:14 < invzim> you can postpone but not cancel
2017-05-13T12:26:16 < Steffanx> That.
2017-05-13T12:26:24 < zyp> and then I need to go find all the shit I had open
2017-05-13T12:27:52 < PaulFertser> Better than coming in the morning to see all the shit encrypted, eh?
2017-05-13T12:28:02 < zyp> true
2017-05-13T12:28:36 < mtbg> PaulFertser: if they didn't, and on such scale too, it means only that ms security policies are ineffective
2017-05-13T12:28:38 < Steffanx> Yes and no
2017-05-13T12:29:59 < PaulFertser> mtbg: yes, they allowed Laurenceb's friends to still run XP even though it affects people's health. Totally MS fault.
2017-05-13T12:30:10 < Steffanx> Mtbg you can not blame ms for evergthing
2017-05-13T12:30:46 < mtbg> it isn't just xp which is affected, is it?
2017-05-13T12:34:29 < mtbg> if one builds his market position by loading many features which pose potential risk for customers
2017-05-13T12:34:50 < mtbg> then he should be prepared for such outcomes
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2017-05-13T13:20:29 < Steffanx> Help.
2017-05-13T13:23:40 < jpa-> with what?
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2017-05-13T13:57:21 < Steffanx> Tek2
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2017-05-13T14:04:23 < BrainDamage> time to upgrade to tec9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9#/media/File:Kg99.jpg
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2017-05-13T15:10:11 < Prutheus> Hello! I want to launch an other code placed in flash of stm32f103c8t6 from my application. what i've done so far: I have a blink-code which I have flashed to the address 0x08005000, the flash address in the .ld file is also changed to 0x08005000 .... well, after my stlink flashes this code to 0x08005000, it starts running, at controller-reset, not, ofc, because he tries to launch code at 0x0800000 ...
2017-05-13T15:10:17 < Prutheus> well, so i place an other program at 0x0800000 which should jump to my program at 0x08005000, the code which should do this is: https://ghostbin.com/paste/wb9ee  but for unknown reasons, it is not going to execute the code at 0x08005000, why not? could someone help me please?
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2017-05-13T15:22:53 < mtbg> set the lsb
2017-05-13T15:23:01 < mtbg> since thumb mode
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2017-05-13T15:24:32 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-05-13T15:24:38 < Laurenceb_> nhs hack used port 445
2017-05-13T15:24:58  * Laurenceb_ uses port 445 for dataloggers
2017-05-13T15:30:38 < BrainDamage> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/13/accidental-hero-finds-kill-switch-to-stop-spread-of-ransomware-cyber-attack
2017-05-13T15:36:30 < Prutheus> mtbg: what do you mean exactly?
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2017-05-13T15:40:14 < Lux> Prutheus: I'd look at the st bootloader example for reference
2017-05-13T15:40:36 < englishman> "dataloggers"
2017-05-13T15:40:37 < Lux> iirc the vector table is located at the beginning of the flash so you are probably interfering with that
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2017-05-13T15:44:04 < Prutheus> Lux: but i set pc to addr+4 cause vecttable
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2017-05-13T15:54:12 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/o8vJd99
2017-05-13T15:54:56 < Prutheus> huh?
2017-05-13T15:55:09 < Prutheus> mtbg: which lsb should i set?
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2017-05-13T15:59:56 < Lux> Prutheus: https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj5taSh9uzTAhXL6xQKHUmwAqMQFggqMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.st.com%2Fresource%2Fen%2Fapplication_note%2Fdm00161366.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFR5agKW-UqNUgkvJQxkXwCEkspzg&sig2=EmanX2CFfjpKdiqi9OKVrQ&cad=rja
2017-05-13T16:02:07 < Laurenceb_> Your apparent perseverance in referring to my writings and; by extention, myself, as "autistic" shows nothing else but that you have a lack of knowledge about autism and people who are dealing with the condition. For your simplistic neurotypical brain, I will describe it like this: The condition now commonly known as 'Autism' is nothing less than the next step in the evolution of humans
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2017-05-13T16:04:02 < mtbg> so will we all be autistic at some point in the future?
2017-05-13T16:04:13 < mtbg> Prutheus: lsb of the address
2017-05-13T16:06:24 < mtbg> Prutheus: or better yet, paste objdump of your .elf
2017-05-13T16:06:26 < mtbg> somewhere
2017-05-13T16:07:00 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/NwVd6Rt
2017-05-13T16:08:20 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/bVWcG6s
2017-05-13T16:09:16 < jpa-> mtbg: nah, we'll just be dead
2017-05-13T16:10:17 < mtbg> ok then
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2017-05-13T16:24:46 < mtbg> Prutheus: void (*jumpToProgram)(void) = (void (*)(void))(0x08005000 + 0x04 | 0x01);
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2017-05-13T16:32:32 < Prutheus> sry had dc
2017-05-13T16:38:55 < mtbg> 15:24 < mtbg> Prutheus: void (*jumpToProgram)(void) = (void (*)(void))(0x08005000 + 0x04 | 0x01);
2017-05-13T16:47:05 < Prutheus> still not jumping in
2017-05-13T16:47:34 < mtbg> how do you tell?
2017-05-13T16:47:51 < mtbg> try reset halt and then stepping
2017-05-13T16:48:52 < Thorn> did you actually call it
2017-05-13T16:49:16 < Thorn> jumpToProgram();
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2017-05-13T16:54:39 < mtbg> and well
2017-05-13T16:54:54 < mtbg> changing msp inside a function seems risky at best
2017-05-13T16:55:12 < mtbg> you should write such code in asm
2017-05-13T16:55:41 < Prutheus> hm ok let me have some time
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2017-05-13T16:59:26 < Prutheus> but the msp changing function is from stm cmsis
2017-05-13T17:01:29 < mtbg> but it can be called after setting the variable
2017-05-13T17:01:40 < mtbg> the variable should be optimized and in register
2017-05-13T17:01:44 < mtbg> but still risky
2017-05-13T17:03:28 < mtbg> ldr r2, =0x08005000
2017-05-13T17:03:43 < mtbg> ldr r2, [r2]
2017-05-13T17:03:54 < mtbg> msr MSP, r2
2017-05-13T17:04:55 < mtbg> ldr r2, =0x08005005
2017-05-13T17:04:58 < mtbg> bx r2
2017-05-13T17:05:00 < mtbg> .ltorg
2017-05-13T17:09:18 < Prutheus> wait pls
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2017-05-13T17:51:34 < Laurenceb_> As we discovered last time the NHS had a ransomware attack - which must have been all of a few months ago - everyone has full permission on everything at an SMB level.
2017-05-13T17:51:45 < Laurenceb_> lel I could have told them that
2017-05-13T17:52:02  * Laurenceb_ can see virtually all network shares from his servers
2017-05-13T17:53:34 < mtbg> Laurenceb_ works at nhs?
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2017-05-13T18:07:09 < Steffanx> Cant blame microsoft for THAT mtbg :P
2017-05-13T18:12:24 < Laurenceb_> mtbg: no, but I've run research work with them
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2017-05-13T18:12:49 < Laurenceb_> had to send off my passport and wait for criminal records check to get access via SMB
2017-05-13T18:13:24 < Laurenceb_> but then they just emailed me a password and I had full access to _everything_
2017-05-13T18:13:27 < Laurenceb_> like wtf
2017-05-13T18:13:36 < Laurenceb_> what could possibly go wrong
2017-05-13T18:14:33 < Laurenceb_> I heard some supplier run stock management server got haxored and thats where the attack started from
2017-05-13T18:15:14 < Laurenceb_> probably had the same access rights setup as me, but with win2k or something ancient rather than lunix
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2017-05-13T18:29:19 < englishman> why didnt the virus get a criminal record check?
2017-05-13T18:29:25 < englishman> this looks like a failure of process
2017-05-13T18:33:33 < Laurenceb_> The lack of logic in the NHS at every level is worrying. My medical records are so off they are funny and worrying. The time a cat ate my hand, the senior nurse listed me as a possible heroin addict
2017-05-13T18:42:10 < branjb> i thought state/national medicine was a wonderful thing
2017-05-13T18:47:12 < Laurenceb_> A handful of deaf people have learned to use echo location to navigate by making clicking sounds.
2017-05-13T18:48:51 < branjb> x-men?
2017-05-13T18:50:21 < Laurenceb_> erm its another troll copypasta
2017-05-13T18:58:05 < Laurenceb_> I should start trolling Elon Musk on twitter
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2017-05-13T19:12:07 < Laurenceb_> https://imgtc.com/i/zuPLVo1.jpg
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2017-05-13T19:29:40 < mtbg> Laurenceb_: what do they need that possible heroin addicts list for?
2017-05-13T19:30:01 < branjb> they use it to try to determine people faking pain for opiates
2017-05-13T19:30:13 < mtbg> ok
2017-05-13T19:30:15 < Laurenceb_> erm its another troll copypasta
2017-05-13T19:30:22 < Laurenceb_> I have a whole folder of these
2017-05-13T19:31:53 < invzim> anyone know if sd card sdio cmd line is high speed?
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2017-05-13T19:38:46 < Laurenceb_> wew wtf https://youtu.be/nQ1ga8yuM50
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2017-05-13T20:32:54 < Thorn> is there any global feedback in https://aionelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/aion-flare-fuzz-factory-documentation-v1.1.pdf ?
2017-05-13T20:33:12 < Thorn> (schematics on page 3)
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2017-05-13T20:41:53 < Ultrasauce> huh i dont have any 10 kilobyte pots
2017-05-13T20:43:56 < Thorn> use a 10kΩ eeprom
2017-05-13T20:44:50 < BrainDamage> what a clusterfuck
2017-05-13T20:45:27 < BrainDamage>  if stab is high, there's a global feedback mechanism
2017-05-13T20:46:04 < BrainDamage> because transistors will be all draining from the same high Z source
2017-05-13T20:46:51 < BrainDamage> if stab is shorted, then no
2017-05-13T20:46:57 < Thorn> I guess they may turn into smoke emitters if you set STAB to 0
2017-05-13T20:47:15 < BrainDamage> nope
2017-05-13T20:47:43 < BrainDamage> each collector or emitter has a least 5k on the path to gnd
2017-05-13T20:48:46 < BrainDamage> Q1 has R2, Q2 has GATE, Q3 has R5
2017-05-13T20:49:29 < BrainDamage> if stab and gate are shorted however Q2's current might be high-ish (20mA)
2017-05-13T20:49:51 < Thorn> what is the function of r3?
2017-05-13T20:49:57 < BrainDamage> it's a local feedback
2017-05-13T20:50:20 < Thorn> q2 is made of unobtainium, not sure what the max current is
2017-05-13T20:50:49 < BrainDamage> well, it's generally power that makes them go poof
2017-05-13T20:51:12 < BrainDamage> vdd/2 * 20mA ~ 0.1W
2017-05-13T20:51:27 < BrainDamage> which can make plastic packaged trans quite toasty
2017-05-13T20:51:59 < BrainDamage> like to22
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2017-05-13T21:14:35 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41732.msg1677114#msg1677114
2017-05-13T21:14:38 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-05-13T21:15:12 < Thorn> what kind of distortion do these things generate? it's not just clipping?
2017-05-13T21:16:52 < Laurenceb_> that forum is just trolls trollin trolls
2017-05-13T21:17:53 < BrainDamage> there's also the e^x relation of transistors
2017-05-13T21:18:09 < BrainDamage> if they bias them to work in low gain
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2017-05-13T21:58:33 < Thorn> how do you bias transistors in a dc coupled multistage bjt amplifier? e.g. a thermocouple amp made of discrete bjts
2017-05-13T21:59:15 < BrainDamage> generally you make a differential pair and bias one side
2017-05-13T21:59:28 < BrainDamage> or you use a current mirror
2017-05-13T21:59:51 < Thorn> how to do a voltage gain stage?
2017-05-13T22:01:05 < BrainDamage> how are babbies formed? not sure I understand the question
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2017-05-13T22:31:56 < jpa-> https://www.seeedstudio.com/opl.html   is it just me or does this freeze everyone's browser?
2017-05-13T22:32:44 < BrainDamage> it works here but it's absurdely slow
2017-05-13T22:32:48 < Steffanx> it does not freeze my browser, yet
2017-05-13T22:32:59 < BrainDamage> the scrollbar stutters and the fan kicks in at max speed
2017-05-13T22:33:01 < jpa-> well yeah, works here absurdly slowly also
2017-05-13T22:33:29 < jpa-> like, 30 seconds before the scroll bar moves at all
2017-05-13T22:33:34 < Steffanx> scrollbar goes a bit unfunctional
2017-05-13T22:35:04 < englishman> important news http://i.imgur.com/V9fdah6.jpg
2017-05-13T22:35:55 < englishman> page works fine here, though it uses a whole core
2017-05-13T22:36:44 < Steffanx> internet explorer?
2017-05-13T22:38:35 < englishman> never heard of it
2017-05-13T22:38:48 < jpa-> it seems to be executing this function called _is_time() all the time
2017-05-13T22:43:38 < jpa-> uh.. it has 837 jquery handlers bound to the scroll event
2017-05-13T22:44:44 < Steffanx> lolz
2017-05-13T22:45:27 < jpa-> looks like it almost works if one doesn't touch the scroll wheel
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2017-05-13T23:30:26 < englishman> so you're saying chrome broke the scroll wheel for compatibility purposes
2017-05-13T23:32:11 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-05-13T23:33:30 < Steffanx> Who said he uses chrome englishman?
2017-05-13T23:34:51 < englishman> finns are not dumb.
2017-05-13T23:35:12 < Steffanx> Are you dumb or smart?
2017-05-13T23:35:29 < englishman> neither, i use lynx. i cannot be categorized.
2017-05-13T23:35:49 < Steffanx> putty much?
2017-05-13T23:36:26 < englishman> i should start typing my http requests by hand in the console.
2017-05-13T23:36:39 < Steffanx> also email.
2017-05-13T23:38:45 < englishman> cannot chat straight. but i woke up when i usually go to sleep
2017-05-13T23:39:44 < Thorn> CC2540 USB Dongle with CC2531 https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/CC2531-CC2650-Sniffer-Capture-USB-Protocol-Analyzer-Board-RF-Wireless-Module-For-Zigbee-Development/2131205_32787415902.html
2017-05-13T23:41:39 < branjb> is there somewhere to get altium libraries for standard things like rj45 connectors?
2017-05-13T23:42:56 < Steffanx> Altium still has those downloadable libs for older altium versions, but dont remember what's in it.
2017-05-13T23:45:54 < englishman> branjb: yes, in the altium pcb footprint creation tool
2017-05-13T23:46:06 < Steffanx> btw zyp, mouser doesnt seem to ship the B-L475E-IOT to dutchland.
2017-05-13T23:48:32 < Steffanx> it does RJ45 connectors there englishman?!
2017-05-13T23:48:53 < englishman> it does whatever you tell it to do
2017-05-13T23:49:44 < Steffanx> but i dont see anything related to it in the component wizard/foot print generator thingy
2017-05-13T23:50:22 < englishman> ?
2017-05-13T23:50:31 < englishman> no, that's just for common ic patterns
2017-05-13T23:52:53 < Steffanx> Oh are trolling? You mean he should make them by hand?
2017-05-13T23:53:36 < englishman> surely it takes longer to find someone else's pattern than to draw 8 circles (sometimes 12)
2017-05-13T23:53:51 < englishman> and then you are guaranteed that it will work
2017-05-13T23:53:53 < branjb> lol
2017-05-13T23:53:58 < branjb> it does
2017-05-13T23:54:38 < branjb> but it seems weird to be having to do a bunch of std headers by hand
2017-05-13T23:55:11 < Steffanx> Guaranteed.. like you cannot fail.
2017-05-13T23:55:55 < englishman> think of it as practice for the big game. like masturbation
2017-05-13T23:57:31 < Steffanx> Hmm
--- Day changed Sun May 14 2017
2017-05-14T00:09:26 < aandrew> yeah I generally make my own footprints
2017-05-14T00:09:42 < aandrew> find the 3d model of what you want to put on the board and make sure teh footprints line up
2017-05-14T00:09:46 < aandrew> pretty easy
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2017-05-14T00:48:13 < Laurenceb_> englishman got cucked by axsemi
2017-05-14T00:53:56 < upgrdman> japs: is this table mounted there, or just resting on her? wtf   https://www.demilked.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/heating-table-bed-kotatsu-japan-17.jpg
2017-05-14T00:54:15 < upgrdman> looks mounted but then htf is that comfortable
2017-05-14T01:01:37 < Thorn> looks like ubertooth uses cc2540 (general purpose 2.4GHz transceiver) for ble sniffing
2017-05-14T01:02:07 < Thorn> er cc2400
2017-05-14T01:02:19 < Thorn> which is not even intended to be bluetooth compatible
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2017-05-14T01:12:10 < branjb> is there an altium hotkey similar to J + C that places the component on my cursor instead of jumping to it?
2017-05-14T01:12:47 < englishman> more like, i learned a lesson about listening to Laurenceb_
2017-05-14T01:13:38 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/ovzshb35acxy.png
2017-05-14T01:13:57 < englishman> upgrdman no more reddit plz
2017-05-14T01:14:01 < englishman> it damages brain cells
2017-05-14T01:14:06 < upgrdman> ok
2017-05-14T01:14:14 < englishman> maybe take up a hobby
2017-05-14T01:14:21 < englishman> or build a shed
2017-05-14T01:15:52 < englishman> maybe try to find out what the ETERNALBLUE exploit actually does
2017-05-14T01:15:58 < englishman> as it's hard to find real discussion
2017-05-14T01:16:12 < englishman> but quite easy to find ruby scripts that run eternalblue.exe
2017-05-14T01:16:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe lurn 2 axsemi
2017-05-14T01:17:40 < englishman> maybe axsemi should lrn 2 rf (wait they can't they don't exist)
2017-05-14T01:21:46 < ohsix> hehehe ssh keys, now i can ssh -t host ssh otherhost
2017-05-14T01:21:52 < ohsix> without entering passphrase multiple times
2017-05-14T01:22:30 < ohsix> have you used the si446x radios englishman?
2017-05-14T01:22:37 < englishman> sure
2017-05-14T01:22:46 < ohsix> in wat bands
2017-05-14T01:22:56 < englishman> i have a 4463 autismproj right now in spare time
2017-05-14T01:23:01 < ohsix> wondering how much off chip i need to use two of them in the same system
2017-05-14T01:23:13 < ohsix> or, how to modify the 433 ones i get off the shelf for 151mhz
2017-05-14T01:23:28 < englishman> replace parts
2017-05-14T01:23:39 < englishman> sounds highly autistic
2017-05-14T01:24:12 < ohsix> they'll be on their own pcb later
2017-05-14T01:24:19 < ohsix> cheap now so i can prove it out mobetter
2017-05-14T01:24:28 < ohsix> getting murs band radios is 30$pair
2017-05-14T01:24:49 < ohsix> it's basically an entire radio, like a gsm module with lcd interface and crap
2017-05-14T01:26:17 < ohsix> but shit needs to be like 1.50$ for the radio part in order to make it worth doing
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2017-05-14T01:31:53 < Laurenceb_> I've code for 4463 on my githubz
2017-05-14T01:34:10 < englishman> currently making some grilled cheese sandwiches with bacon, oie blanc, and camembert
2017-05-14T01:34:27 < englishman> nom http://i.imgur.com/dx7MjJO.jpg
2017-05-14T01:39:33 < Laurenceb_> sounds french
2017-05-14T01:43:18 < kakimir> is australia always been in eurovision?
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2017-05-14T01:43:57 < kakimir> just lisrted something in car and it was clearly earyvisions point counts
2017-05-14T01:44:22 < BrainDamage> yes, australia's territory is largely occupied by alps, cangaroos and cajuns
2017-05-14T01:46:30 < kakimir> should visit
2017-05-14T01:46:41 < Steffanx> englishman is being more french again than he wants to admit :P
2017-05-14T01:48:08 < Steffanx> And did finland win kakimir ?
2017-05-14T01:49:11 < Ultrasauce> ohsix what are you gonna be doing on vhf
2017-05-14T01:54:09 < kakimir> Steffanx: never win
2017-05-14T01:54:20 < kakimir> unless monsters
2017-05-14T01:54:51 < kakimir> must win with monsters - once
2017-05-14T01:55:28 < kakimir> how bad is the ransomware epidemic really?
2017-05-14T01:55:52 < Ultrasauce> the investment firm my roommates work for got hit
2017-05-14T01:56:10 < kakimir> what attach methods they use?
2017-05-14T01:56:29 < Ultrasauce> the one that happened this weekend used a zeroday from the cia leaks
2017-05-14T01:57:36 < Ultrasauce> many others just use the more typical malicious email attachment kinda thing
2017-05-14T01:57:38 < kakimir> what part of windows was compromised?
2017-05-14T01:57:55 < Ultrasauce> i havent seen a detailed analysis yet
2017-05-14T01:59:12 < Ultrasauce> SMB
2017-05-14T01:59:27 < kakimir> samba?
2017-05-14T01:59:37 < Ultrasauce> samba is a foss implementation of the smb protocol
2017-05-14T02:00:16 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NiceRF-2014-New-2pcs-lot-walkie-talkie-module-SA818-UHF-400-480-MHz-VHF-134-174MHZ/1815220830.html nice, price went down
2017-05-14T02:00:39 < ohsix> Ultrasauce: well, someone else had to turn some work down cuz the rf guy was being a turd
2017-05-14T02:01:03 < ohsix> wanted 6 months of wages he was getting when he wasn't retired, and generally didn't want to do it
2017-05-14T02:01:18 < ohsix> i wanna evaluate the radios in a few bands and see what i can do shit-style
2017-05-14T02:01:38 < Ultrasauce> you are aware that unlicensed transmissions in the vhf band can result in a 5 figure fine right
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2017-05-14T02:01:53 < ohsix> i'm aware of the murs band and the restrictions
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2017-05-14T02:02:11 < ohsix> thanks dad
2017-05-14T02:03:00 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Use_Radio_Service
2017-05-14T02:04:33 < kakimir> how fast such ransomware does it's encryption?
2017-05-14T02:04:57 < kakimir> could you spot it in action and pull the plug?
2017-05-14T02:06:13 < ohsix> heh
2017-05-14T02:06:29 < ohsix> as fast as your disk goes, but it does it to specific files
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2017-05-14T02:14:26 < mtbg> hmm
2017-05-14T02:15:33 < mtbg> they should implement such heuristics in antivirus scanners, that when something changes filename and replaces content with something of similar length
2017-05-14T02:15:58 < mtbg> then it detects it and pauses the process
2017-05-14T02:16:05 < mtbg> and notifies user
2017-05-14T02:16:20 < mtbg> probably they already do so
2017-05-14T02:16:33 < mtbg> as it is quite easy
2017-05-14T02:26:24 < Thorn> looks like nrf24l01+ really hates address 0xaa 0xaa 0xaa 0xaa 0xaa
2017-05-14T02:27:18 < Thorn> even though manual says "avoid addresses with long runs of 0 or 1"
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2017-05-14T02:31:33 < Thorn> http://plrtzglrb.hu/ghz/books/ <-- rf stash
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2017-05-14T02:49:35 < Laurenceb_> nice link
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2017-05-14T03:05:42 < Thorn> great, with address=aaaaaaaaaa it even receives spurious packets despite the crc
2017-05-14T03:07:19 < Thorn> data is also 0xaa or similar
2017-05-14T03:08:07 < Thorn> looks like I discovered interference that knows how to calculate crc (or this crc is not very good)
2017-05-14T03:09:23 < Laurenceb_> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Sigfox_CC1310_SDK_Demo_Users_Guide
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2017-05-14T03:12:11 < Laurenceb_> sounds impressive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_phase_multiple_access
2017-05-14T03:14:11 < Laurenceb_> RPMA's uplink is 624 kbit/s
2017-05-14T03:14:12 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-05-14T03:17:47 < aandrew> Thorn: 0xaaaaaaaaaa is not a long run of ones nor zeroes
2017-05-14T03:18:00 < aandrew> oh "really hates"
2017-05-14T03:18:01 < aandrew> misread that
2017-05-14T03:18:02 < aandrew> heh
2017-05-14T03:19:17 < aandrew> ohsix: interesting ali link
2017-05-14T03:19:20 < aandrew> how'd you hear about that
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2017-05-14T03:50:29 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/bnOhm what does the x with circles mean in this fill?
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2017-05-14T04:01:10 < aandrew> branjb: it means a DRC
2017-05-14T04:01:26 < aandrew> basically it means you fucked up :-)
2017-05-14T04:02:48 < aandrew> crt: nah it's actually pretty good with it's DRCs
2017-05-14T04:03:00 < branjb> hmm
2017-05-14T04:03:31 < branjb> so basically if all my pads have x's with circles in them, one of my rules is fucked up?
2017-05-14T04:03:40 < aandrew> basically if you leave things the way they are your board is unlikely to work
2017-05-14T04:04:55 < aandrew> from a quick look it appears that your DRC settings are wrong for the parts you're using
2017-05-14T04:05:21 < aandrew> e.g. your pin-to-pin spacing seems narrower than the trace/space settings you have
2017-05-14T04:05:49 < branjb> what rule is that under? Clearance > SMD Pads?
2017-05-14T04:06:27 < aandrew> yes
2017-05-14T04:06:40 < aandrew> I typically use 5/5
2017-05-14T04:07:34 < branjb> thanks, that was it
2017-05-14T04:07:45 < aandrew> but that will depend on your board vendor though
2017-05-14T04:07:57 < aandrew> and how much you want to pay
2017-05-14T04:08:00 < branjb> oshpark 4 layer says 5 mil spacing
2017-05-14T04:08:24 < aandrew> yep
2017-05-14T04:08:38 < aandrew> so set 5/5, set the minimum drill to whatever their minimum is
2017-05-14T04:18:57 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-05-14T04:18:59 < Laurenceb_> http://www.telecomnews.co.il/image/users/228328/ftp/my_files/General%20Files/IoT%20Ingenu%20original.pdf?id=27645739
2017-05-14T04:19:07 < ReadError> branjb: oshpark also fucks shit up a lot
2017-05-14T04:19:17 < ReadError> so best to give them a bit more if u can
2017-05-14T04:19:21 < Laurenceb_> page 3, they put wrong sign on LNA noise floor
2017-05-14T04:19:45 < ReadError> ive had a few batches come w/ dead shorts between vcc/gnd
2017-05-14T04:20:43 < Laurenceb_> prob still better than pcbtrain
2017-05-14T04:20:57 < Laurenceb_> some of my boards had embedded pubes
2017-05-14T04:21:09 < Laurenceb_> do not fap into solder mask vat
2017-05-14T04:22:14 < aandrew> wtf is rpma
2017-05-14T04:24:59 < Laurenceb_> the sigfox killer
2017-05-14T04:25:26 < Laurenceb_> or so they want you to think, their maths skillz are not encouraging
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2017-05-14T04:27:57 < aandrew> wtf is sigfox
2017-05-14T04:28:15 < Laurenceb_> they can't even add numbers together
2017-05-14T04:28:30 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigfox
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2017-05-14T04:36:57 < englishman> Ultrasauce: not a 0day. A 60day
2017-05-14T04:38:29 < englishman> also, sorry to hear your pals got hit, maybe they will take infosec seriously. But if they are investment bankers with roommates, probably not
2017-05-14T04:59:35 < Ultrasauce> it was a 0day when it was leaked :V
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2017-05-14T05:42:09 < branjb> does linear regulator layout not matter nearly as much as switching?  can't find any example app note layouts
2017-05-14T05:44:15 < aandrew> correct
2017-05-14T05:44:41 < aandrew> they don't "move" like a switcher does, much less important
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2017-05-14T05:47:27 < branjb> cool, now to hope i did my switching supply right
2017-05-14T05:50:59 < aandrew> it's all about minimizing loop length
2017-05-14T05:51:15 < aandrew> nice wide traces and small loop
2017-05-14T05:54:36 < branjb> i changed a rule earlier because i was getting drc errors for pins on ICs being too close
2017-05-14T05:54:48 < branjb> now I get a DRC error for every trace that I drop on a pad
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2017-05-14T06:11:02 < aandrew> how are you dropping traces
2017-05-14T06:13:48 < branjb> p + t
2017-05-14T06:13:57 < branjb> using right click to end
2017-05-14T06:14:13 < aandrew> yep sounds good, so why is it DRCing
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2017-05-14T06:14:24 < aandrew> if you right click on the DRC and go to violations what is it saying
2017-05-14T06:14:28 < branjb> when i drop traces it gives me the circle with x, when i run DRC it goes away
2017-05-14T06:21:59 < ReadError> does DRC still freakout and crash altium sometimes?
2017-05-14T06:22:10 < branjb> haven't seen that yet
2017-05-14T06:22:20 < ReadError> if you have push/shove on
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2017-05-14T07:12:19 < ohsix>  696950 Active Torrents
2017-05-14T07:12:57 < ohsix> aandrew: someone was working on a thing that would have been in the murs radio band, looked around for them
2017-05-14T07:13:03 < ohsix> today i just looked for them again :p
2017-05-14T07:13:10 < ohsix> they were 30 a few weeks ago
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2017-05-14T07:24:48 < branjb> if i have hierchal sheets and 4 identical motor drivers, is there a way to duplicate the layout of one without having to lay all 4 out?
2017-05-14T07:25:09 < aandrew> oh god
2017-05-14T07:25:12 < aandrew> don't do hierarchical
2017-05-14T07:25:16 < branjb> lol
2017-05-14T07:25:23 < aandrew> and yes, you route one room
2017-05-14T07:25:35 < aandrew> then there's a way to duplicate the layout in other rooms
2017-05-14T07:25:41 < branjb> hmm
2017-05-14T07:34:31 < branjb> it worked pretty decent
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2017-05-14T07:46:38 < ohsix> heheh this is awesome http://paste.ubuntu.com/24572185/
2017-05-14T07:47:17 < ohsix> not letting the obviousness of the facility temper my entheusiasm
2017-05-14T07:47:40 < ohsix> branjb: room is altium vernacular right?
2017-05-14T07:48:41 < branjb> vernacular is too big of a word for me, but basically I had 4 stepper drivers on this board, I layed out one and then duplicated it x4 with the correct nets and stuff cascading over
2017-05-14T07:51:26 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/zlZYy
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2017-05-14T08:17:45 < branjb> for how complicated auto route code must be, it sure is useless
2017-05-14T08:18:50 < jadew> Laurenceb, have you seen the red pill?
2017-05-14T08:24:09 < ohsix> crt: two plus two is five
2017-05-14T08:24:35 < ohsix> branjb: what program are you using?
2017-05-14T08:25:42 < branjb> altium
2017-05-14T08:43:06 < ohsix> a female creature told me how good a book i was reading, was
2017-05-14T08:43:23 < ohsix> i'm publicly reading books guy now
2017-05-14T08:49:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> BTW, on the RTC issue I was having? Pretty sure my alarm logic was just wrong. It seems to be keeping time fine.
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2017-05-14T10:15:35 < Streaker> what's the difference between arm cmsis, std peripheral library and HAL ?
2017-05-14T10:16:08 < Streaker> Are they essentially competing versions of the same thing?
2017-05-14T10:16:27 < ohsix> cmsis is a cross vendor thing where the arm bits are the same, plus st specific parts
2017-05-14T10:16:57 < ohsix> stdperiph is the older one from just st, hal is part of cmsis
2017-05-14T10:17:41 < Streaker> HAL is not from st?
2017-05-14T10:18:15 < ohsix> oh hah
2017-05-14T10:18:21 < ohsix> hal is older than stdperiph
2017-05-14T10:18:37 < Streaker> I thought HAL was additional header files over and above cmsis
2017-05-14T10:18:53 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/40/a0/25/16/31/a1/48/ed/DM00059814.pdf/files/DM00059814.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00059814.pdf
2017-05-14T10:18:59 < ohsix> it is
2017-05-14T10:19:08 < ohsix> 'plus st specific'
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2017-05-14T10:19:27 < ohsix> that's just one of the app notes that talks about the differences and how to port
2017-05-14T10:24:52 < Streaker> So I need to install cmsis and a STD periph pack for the specific stm32 processor I'm using?
2017-05-14T10:25:35 < Streaker> Are there any alternative oss headers that you guys use instead?
2017-05-14T10:31:08 < PaulFertser> Streaker: libopencm3
2017-05-14T10:31:09 < Streaker> just installed keil but when I tried to install the cmsis pack it errored out saying error compiling svd file
2017-05-14T10:32:02 < PaulFertser> Streaker: I think stdperiph shit-library contains arm CMSIS, but ST now deprecated it in favour of their new HAL shit-library (it contains cmsis as well).
2017-05-14T10:32:25 < PaulFertser> Streaker: are you going to program it in C?
2017-05-14T10:32:31 < Streaker> Yup.
2017-05-14T10:33:17 < PaulFertser> So either you go the official ST way with their HAL or you can try libopencm3 as alternative.
2017-05-14T10:33:24 < Streaker> crt: my grandfather used to post that pic on 4chan in the 1990s
2017-05-14T10:34:15 < Streaker> will take a look at libopencm3
2017-05-14T10:34:32 < Streaker> crt: no cumbottles
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2017-05-14T11:19:12 < Streak> what are SVD files?
2017-05-14T11:21:46 < Streak> what's the point of generating header files from xml?
2017-05-14T11:23:11 < zyp> very enterprise
2017-05-14T11:27:28 < mtbg> not necessarily headers
2017-05-14T11:27:53 < mtbg> you can generate headers from it, and then you have any syntax convention you wish
2017-05-14T11:27:56 < mtbg> in any language
2017-05-14T11:28:08 < mtbg> but it is more useful for debuggers
2017-05-14T11:28:16 < mtbg> to view registers and bits
2017-05-14T11:31:05 < mtbg> since it is quite naive to think one can generate elegant headers and build readable drivers from them
2017-05-14T11:31:28 < mtbg> it is only the case in simple peripherals
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2017-05-14T13:26:27 < zyp> Thorn, you around?
2017-05-14T13:26:44 < Thorn> yep
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2017-05-14T13:29:15 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?h=usb_transfer&id=c8f142d <- I started reorganizing my stuff
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2017-05-14T13:29:25 < zyp> and was wondering if I could look at your code for some inspiration
2017-05-14T13:30:16 < Thorn> sure, absolutely
2017-05-14T13:31:00 < Thorn> https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/blob/master/include/usb/transfers.h
2017-05-14T13:31:11 < zyp> nice, thanks
2017-05-14T13:31:45 < zyp> oh, you're doing it completely polymorphic
2017-05-14T13:32:49 < zyp> what's the difference between on_filled and on_complete?
2017-05-14T13:32:55 < zyp> apart from the arguments
2017-05-14T13:34:44 < Thorn> some test code including a Handler example https://gist.github.com/pthorn/6de7e116881dda815dfbdced64d25208
2017-05-14T13:34:52 < zyp> also, do you find it beneficial to separate rx and tx, apart from being able to have a pointer to const for tx?
2017-05-14T13:34:53 < Thorn> another Handler example is src/standard_requests.cc
2017-05-14T13:36:09 < zyp> also, you should probably think about having virtual destructors in your polymorphic classes
2017-05-14T13:37:26 < Thorn> on_filled() is called when data is copied from the fifo (RXFLVL), on_complete() is called when the transfer is complete (XFRC)
2017-05-14T13:37:54 < zyp> what about on_transferred?
2017-05-14T13:38:10 < Thorn> same as on_filled() but in the other direction
2017-05-14T13:38:43 < zyp> will the first function be called for each packet of a multi-packet transfer then?
2017-05-14T13:39:25 < Thorn> well every time the driver signals that data (or room for data) is available in the fifo
2017-05-14T13:40:17 < Thorn> IRxTransfer has excessive API for what it currently does (get_buffer() takes a bytes parameter and on_filled() needs the buffer pointer back)
2017-05-14T13:41:08 < Thorn> otherwise it could be the same as ITxTransfer
2017-05-14T13:42:16 < zyp> I assume the goal is to be able to do streaming transfers?
2017-05-14T13:43:28 < Thorn> something like that, maybe double buffered or something
2017-05-14T13:43:32 < Thorn> I'm currently thinking about doing I*Transfer subclasses with circular buffers
2017-05-14T13:45:06 < zyp> hmm, I think I feel that that would be overengineering it a bit
2017-05-14T13:45:46 < zyp> so anyway, do you find it beneficial to keep tx and rx separate?
2017-05-14T13:45:52 < Thorn> could be useful for a console and/or maybe CDC-ACM
2017-05-14T13:46:26 < zyp> yeah, I just figure that I'd do the ringbuffer logic outside of the transfer model
2017-05-14T13:46:31 < Thorn> when I had them combined I had bugs caused by mixing them up, so I'd say yes even if the API is the same
2017-05-14T13:47:34 < zyp> guess that's an argument too, makes direction more explicit
2017-05-14T13:48:06 < Thorn> TxTransfer also needs reinit() like RxTransfer
2017-05-14T13:49:00 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-14T13:49:34 < mtbg> was even usb meant for such abstraction on the device side?
2017-05-14T13:50:05 < zyp> host side and device side isn't all that different when it comes to scheduling transfers on pipes
2017-05-14T13:50:25 < zyp> so I'm also looking at how libusb does it
2017-05-14T13:50:38 < Thorn> this is how I currently resubmit transfers https://gist.github.com/pthorn/602190e98157fa877cb3507c2f302736
2017-05-14T13:51:03 < Thorn> if I add a flags argument to *Transfer.init() I can add an auto-resubmit flag too
2017-05-14T13:54:49 < zyp> ah, yeah, an auto resubmit flag would be convenient
2017-05-14T13:54:52 < mtbg> it is in some extent, especially as it is the device which has limited resources
2017-05-14T13:55:05 < mtbg> and might want to modulate transfer rate
2017-05-14T13:55:29 < Thorn> plus the add ZLP flag (Tx only)
2017-05-14T13:55:32 < zyp> mtbg, yes, but the flow model is not
2017-05-14T13:55:56 < zyp> an IN pipe from the device perspective looks the same as an OUT pipe from the host perspective and opposite
2017-05-14T13:56:31 < zyp> the only part where host and device flow is not symmetric like that are control requests where setup packets always come from the host
2017-05-14T13:57:32 < mtbg> the device can nak both in and out pipes
2017-05-14T13:57:57 < zyp> yes, and the host can stop polling both in and out pipes
2017-05-14T13:58:00 < mtbg> and it does so inherently
2017-05-14T13:58:12 < mtbg> before you reenable the ep
2017-05-14T13:58:14 < zyp> it's different on the bus level, but results in the same flow model
2017-05-14T14:00:25 < Thorn> btw I read somewhere that laptop designers still use PS/2 for builtin keyboards because USB is less energy efficient due to all the polling
2017-05-14T14:03:01 < zyp> is that even true? I thought laptop keyboards were all about hid over i2c nowadays
2017-05-14T14:03:56 < zyp> not that I know, I haven't bought a laptop in six years
2017-05-14T14:04:04 < zyp> but eh
2017-05-14T14:05:02 < zyp> considering even cellphones are using usb internally, I doubt it'd be a huge problem if laptops did
2017-05-14T14:05:08 < mtbg> touch pads are ps/2
2017-05-14T14:05:15 < mtbg> in many cases
2017-05-14T14:05:26 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/N9R6gSj
2017-05-14T14:11:38 < Thorn> could be touchpads, not keyboards that I read about
2017-05-14T14:12:22 < Thorn> I'm working on a nrf24l01+ driver, thinking about adopting the same transfer API there
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2017-05-14T14:17:52 < Thorn> https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/13/15633380/nuclear-test-film-declassified-weapons-physicist-watch
2017-05-14T14:21:45 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37uv4uV1a4o floating submerged tunnels and shit
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2017-05-14T15:33:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY87o9IZXWg
2017-05-14T15:35:06 < Prutheus> mtbg: are you here?
2017-05-14T15:35:31 < mtbg> I think so
2017-05-14T15:35:33 < Prutheus> remembering my problem yesterday?
2017-05-14T15:35:53 < mtbg> yes
2017-05-14T15:35:58 < Prutheus> with flashposition, jump to program located there
2017-05-14T15:36:00 < Prutheus> ok
2017-05-14T15:36:14 < Prutheus> so, still not working, let me tell you step by step what i've done so far
2017-05-14T15:36:58 < Prutheus> i have my custom program which I set the FLASH_ADDR in the .ld file to 0x08005000, then i flash it to 0x08005000 ....
2017-05-14T15:37:21 < Prutheus> now, doesn't matter what my other program does, is it possible to test jumping there in debugger?
2017-05-14T15:37:37 < mtbg> should be
2017-05-14T15:37:42 < Prutheus> how?
2017-05-14T15:37:49 < mtbg> by setting pc
2017-05-14T15:38:01 < Prutheus> and what's with the sp?
2017-05-14T15:38:20 < mtbg> if your program needs it, you have to set it too
2017-05-14T15:38:26 < Prutheus> setting pc to 0x08005000 or 0x08005004 ?
2017-05-14T15:38:58 < mtbg> can you show objdump -D of your .elf?
2017-05-14T15:39:59 < mtbg> if your program was linked in a typical way, but with offset of 0x5000
2017-05-14T15:40:23 < mtbg> then you should jump to the address that is stored under 0x08005004
2017-05-14T15:40:31 < mtbg> and not to 0x08005004 itself
2017-05-14T15:40:54 < mtbg> because then there is address of reset vector there
2017-05-14T15:41:06 < mtbg> and not any meaningful instruction
2017-05-14T15:41:27 < mtbg> it needs to be read and jumped to
2017-05-14T15:42:30 < Prutheus> wait, ill show you my elf and then you tell me what i must do in debugger, ok?
2017-05-14T15:42:48 < mtbg> ok
2017-05-14T15:44:58 < Prutheus> https://bpaste.net/show/25893be17475
2017-05-14T15:46:22 < mtbg> it is linked for 0x08000000
2017-05-14T15:46:30 < mtbg> and not 0x08005000
2017-05-14T15:46:56 < Prutheus> oh yeah wait, i've send the wrong, let me update it
2017-05-14T15:47:41 < Prutheus> this one https://bpaste.net/show/c82ce49dd0e1
2017-05-14T15:48:28 < mtbg> so yes, there is a vector table there
2017-05-14T15:49:05 < mtbg> if you want to use interrupts, you will have to set the vector table offset in some register
2017-05-14T15:49:44 < mtbg> and to start running the program you have to jump to the address stored under 0x08005004
2017-05-14T15:49:45 < Prutheus> ahh, i can set this in stm32f10x_conf.c, yeah, should i?
2017-05-14T15:50:04 < mtbg> in gdb you can try
2017-05-14T15:50:27 < mtbg> set $sp = *(uint32_t*)0x08005000
2017-05-14T15:50:33 < mtbg> set $pc = *(uint32_t*)0x08005004
2017-05-14T15:50:39 < mtbg> on halted core
2017-05-14T15:51:17 < mtbg> yes, if you want to use interrupts, you have to set the offset
2017-05-14T15:54:44 < Prutheus> ok let me test, btw, what msut i set the offet to?
2017-05-14T15:56:29 < mtbg> 0x5000 I think
2017-05-14T15:56:35 < Prutheus> mtbg: jumping via debugger worked!
2017-05-14T15:57:31 < Prutheus> but how to do it in code now, which i place at 0x0800000 and want to jump from this code to the code at 0x08005000?
2017-05-14T15:59:03 < mtbg> ldr r2, =0x08005000
2017-05-14T15:59:15 < mtbg> ldr r3, [r2, #0]
2017-05-14T15:59:27 < mtbg> msr MSP, r2
2017-05-14T15:59:37 < mtbg> ldr r3, [r2, #4]
2017-05-14T15:59:46 < mtbg> bx r3
2017-05-14T15:59:49 < mtbg> .ltorg
2017-05-14T16:00:00 < Prutheus> what is this?
2017-05-14T16:00:01 < mtbg> in reset vector
2017-05-14T16:00:17 < mtbg> a code which sets the sp and then jumps
2017-05-14T16:00:49 < Prutheus> okay, jumps where?
2017-05-14T16:01:04 < mtbg> to the address from 0x08005004
2017-05-14T16:01:06 < Prutheus> okay
2017-05-14T16:01:27 < Prutheus> sure i see
2017-05-14T16:01:47 < Prutheus> what does .ltorg
2017-05-14T16:02:46 < mtbg> puts long literals here
2017-05-14T16:03:00 < mtbg> and then they are addressed relative to pc
2017-05-14T16:03:02 < mtbg> by ldr
2017-05-14T16:03:29 < mtbg> so that the instruction word is still short enough
2017-05-14T16:03:55 < mtbg> I mean, there is no way to code such long literal into instruction word
2017-05-14T16:04:06 < mtbg> so it is put somewhere near the code
2017-05-14T16:04:15 < mtbg> and then addressed relative to the code
2017-05-14T16:04:20 < mtbg> to get its value
2017-05-14T16:04:32 < mtbg> and .ltorg says to put these literals _here_
2017-05-14T16:05:37 < Prutheus> mtbg: i run this assembly code line for line via __ASM("xxxxxx");, but still not jumping
2017-05-14T16:06:25 < mtbg> I'd put this into .S file
2017-05-14T16:06:46 < mtbg> or multiline asm volatile statement
2017-05-14T16:09:41 < Prutheus> so? http://ix.io/tH2
2017-05-14T16:10:12 < mtbg> \n\t at the end of each line
2017-05-14T16:10:16 < mtbg> before closing "
2017-05-14T16:10:24 < mtbg> or you will get syntax errors
2017-05-14T16:10:32 < mtbg> and without __ __
2017-05-14T16:14:30 < Prutheus> i am compiling with c99, so i need to use __asm__, asm only is not defined
2017-05-14T16:14:51 < mtbg> ok
2017-05-14T16:19:14 < Prutheus> wait a moment, have problems with my debugger
2017-05-14T16:24:14 < Prutheus> hm my stlink can't flash anymore, he tells unknown memory region ...
2017-05-14T16:25:12 < Prutheus> Flash: 0 bytes (0 KiB) in pages of 1024 bytes
2017-05-14T16:25:12 < Prutheus> Unknown memory region
2017-05-14T16:31:52 < Prutheus> i am restarting, brb
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2017-05-14T16:34:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCmwEQJIQ4 musics ohsix
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2017-05-14T18:05:27 < Steffanx> Have better music kakimir ?
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2017-05-14T18:17:21 < invzim> any nvram in the stm32f4 mcu's, or do I use flash?
2017-05-14T18:20:33 < aandrew> no NVRAM, you can use a pair of small flash sectors to emulate though
2017-05-14T18:21:15 < aandrew> the flash emulation app note is shit though, don't follow it
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2017-05-14T18:24:28 < englishman> why the hate for millennian music Steffanx
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2017-05-14T18:36:01 < Laurenceb_> englishman: http://e97f7d10b0a403e208e5-9fbee7de8d51db511b5de86d75069107.r75.cf1.rackcdn.com/INGENU_BASE_STATION_FIXED.jpg
2017-05-14T18:36:10 < Laurenceb_> solution to your rf problems
2017-05-14T18:36:20 < Laurenceb_> as you can see its nice and simple
2017-05-14T18:36:22 < englishman> i agree: no axsem in sight
2017-05-14T18:37:02 < Laurenceb_> ingenu looks kind of nice
2017-05-14T18:37:15 < Laurenceb_> but 2.4Ghz and massive tx power
2017-05-14T18:37:43 < Laurenceb_> sigfox is prob more clonable
2017-05-14T18:38:56 < kakimir> Steffanx: I don't know good musics
2017-05-14T18:40:47 < Laurenceb_> an "openfox" sigfox clone basestation would be cool
2017-05-14T18:41:06 < Laurenceb_> good luck enforcing the patent..
2017-05-14T18:41:29 < ReadError> englishman: how many burds u got in the freezer
2017-05-14T18:41:43 < englishman> they got chopped up right away, so none
2017-05-14T18:41:43 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: what is happening in the box?
2017-05-14T18:41:58 < ReadError> if you combined all the pieces
2017-05-14T18:42:01 < ReadError> how many would it make
2017-05-14T18:42:02 < Steffanx> Can one make geese soup like chicken soup?
2017-05-14T18:42:16 < englishman> i dono, goose meat is closer to red meat
2017-05-14T18:42:31 < englishman> like the breast you can cook like a steak
2017-05-14T18:42:47 < englishman> you could probably use the broth tho yeah
2017-05-14T18:42:55 < ReadError> i like them chicken thighs best
2017-05-14T18:43:01 < ReadError> keeps juicy
2017-05-14T18:43:06 < ReadError> smoked, gr8
2017-05-14T18:43:24 < kakimir> englishman: what is the radio mess inside the box?
2017-05-14T18:43:39 < englishman> dont know, ask laurent
2017-05-14T18:43:46 < englishman> half of it is power and cellular uplink looks like
2017-05-14T18:44:13 < kakimir> looks only half decent
2017-05-14T18:44:22 < englishman> While the Internet of Things explodes with new, innovative applications, network technologies struggle to meet the unique needs of the vast majority of IoT solutions. In an industry that is primed for lift off, connectivity options continue to ground its progression.
2017-05-14T18:44:35 < Lux> Laurenceb_: how much bandwith does that stuff use ?
2017-05-14T18:44:40 < englishman> Total Equity Funding
2017-05-14T18:44:40 < englishman> $118.53M in 5 Rounds from 5 Investors
2017-05-14T18:46:18 < Laurenceb_> its the sigfox killer
2017-05-14T18:46:18 < Laurenceb_> 2.4Ghz long range spread spectrum
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2017-05-14T18:47:28 < Lux> so the whole 2.4ghz ism spectrum ?
2017-05-14T18:47:55 < englishman> their batteries may last a long time but their webpage sure is power hungry
2017-05-14T18:50:55 < englishman> not much technical inf
2017-05-14T18:51:05 < englishman> wikipedia page on RPMA is buzzwords
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2017-05-14T18:52:22 < Lux> it uses 1 mhz channels
2017-05-14T18:52:32 < Lux> https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30705282/www.ingenu.com?p=eyJzIjoiTDV6MFFJYkh4S1hhN08wY1VaU19XYVlYR09vIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDcwNTI4MixcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwczpcXFwvXFxcL3d3dy5pbmdlbnUuY29tXFxcL3dwLWNvbnRlbnRcXFwvcGx1Z2luc1xcXC9lbWFpbC1iZWZvcmUtZG93bmxvYWRcXFwvP2RsPWQzOTRlMDAyMjUwZDcwYzc0ZmJkNTRlMjJiODA4ZTEzXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiZmUxZDY1MTBjZDQyNDAwNzkzMjlkZjMxMjFkZjg3M2FcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCI4ZD
2017-05-14T18:52:34 < Lux> UzYzE2ZmIyZDAxYmVhMGViMjlmMjI3MmFhNzk3YjIzNThjOGU0XCJdfSJ9
2017-05-14T18:52:40 < Lux> eh
2017-05-14T18:53:15 < Lux> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb12hiz23xt3z4x/How%20RPMA%20Works.pdf?dl=0
2017-05-14T18:53:38 < Lux> here is the technical stuff
2017-05-14T18:54:47 < englishman> much better
2017-05-14T18:54:49 < englishman> but still
2017-05-14T18:55:06 < englishman> vterbi encoder, big deal
2017-05-14T18:55:17 < englishman> are they doing silicon
2017-05-14T18:55:32 < englishman> or chinese 2.4g transceivers
2017-05-14T18:55:34 < Lux> i still don't get what's so special about that stuff
2017-05-14T18:55:58 < Lux> i guess you could just use 2g and be done with it
2017-05-14T18:56:10 < Lux> probably not even much more expensive
2017-05-14T18:56:34 < englishman> it looks like a lot of software written for 2.4g transceivers
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2017-05-14T18:57:01 < englishman> well that would use a lot more power
2017-05-14T18:57:18 < englishman> Laurenceb: ingenu is fake news
2017-05-14T18:57:48 < englishman> china 2.4g transceivers and arduino scripts with 1st year convolutional fec
2017-05-14T18:57:54 < englishman> Laurenceb_:
2017-05-14T18:58:05 < Lux> yeah guess so, but the cellular network doesn't use that much power
2017-05-14T18:58:18 < Lux> you still have phones that can run for weeks
2017-05-14T18:59:25 < englishman> whitepaper doesnt talk about beam steering or other 4/5g tech
2017-05-14T18:59:32 < englishman> or anything truly cool
2017-05-14T18:59:47 < englishman> yeah but they are talking about 5y battery life
2017-05-14T18:59:52 < englishman> though that would be interesting
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2017-05-14T19:01:36 < Lux> yeah, but you can allways just put in a large battery i guess
2017-05-14T19:01:47 < Lux> would be interesting to see the actual specs
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2017-05-14T19:04:06 < englishman> looks like laurent has a sigfox internet uplink
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2017-05-14T19:34:11 < Prutheus> mtbg: still not jumping, i've set the vector table offset to 0x5000, now my program which is located at the front which should jump is: http://ix.io/tHT
2017-05-14T19:34:15 < Prutheus> still not jumping
2017-05-14T19:35:38 < mtbg> so paste objdump again
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2017-05-14T19:36:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.cloudtalk.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Sigfox-reti.png
2017-05-14T19:37:01 < Laurenceb_> Trans-fox
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2017-05-14T19:42:49 < Laurenceb_> over 9000 sigfox genders
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2017-05-14T20:26:52 < Thorn> why this usb keepalive stuff https://github.com/greatscottgadgets/ubertooth/blob/master/firmware/bluetooth_rxtx/ubertooth_usb.c#L323
2017-05-14T20:28:44 < Thorn> a brute force way of detecting device disconnect?
2017-05-14T20:28:54 < upgrdman> nice nsfw sculpture   https://i.redd.it/fcb9an4yygxy.jpg
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2017-05-14T20:40:52 < jpa-> Thorn: would make more sense just to monitor the SOF packets
2017-05-14T20:41:42 < Thorn> my guess is it's for the host
2017-05-14T20:43:02 < Thorn> (which uses libusb)
2017-05-14T20:43:12 < jpa-> ah
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2017-05-14T20:59:18 < Prutheus> mtbg: https://bpaste.net/show/80decc562fe3
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2017-05-14T21:11:09 < Lux> Prutheus: how about you just use the stm32 iap examples ?
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2017-05-14T21:11:41 < Lux> should be easy to modify for your purpose
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2017-05-14T21:43:04 < branjb> >embedded programming job
2017-05-14T21:43:06 < branjb> · Experience with at least one modern language, multiple strongly preferred (e.g. C#, Ruby, Python, MS Core, JavaScript)
2017-05-14T21:44:25 < Steffanx> Python and C# ok, but .. the others?
2017-05-14T21:44:48 < Thorn> wtf is ms core, google finds font packages
2017-05-14T21:45:10 < Steffanx> Windows 10 IoT core maybe.
2017-05-14T21:45:41 < branjb> idk, but I see ruby / javascript and immediately closed it
2017-05-14T21:46:06 < branjb> also · Familiarity with agile methods. Scrum and XP preferred.
2017-05-14T21:46:15 < branjb> ~~~~agile~~~~~~~~~~~
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2017-05-14T21:47:14 < Steffanx> Just some HR someone that knows the buzz words
2017-05-14T21:47:17 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/JXQ5DZa
2017-05-14T21:47:37 < Steffanx> tldr; whatever boring.
2017-05-14T21:48:49 < branjb> isn't agile just meme for nothing ever gets done because you spend more time talking about doing stuff than doing stuff?
2017-05-14T21:48:59 < Steffanx> How bad must my autism be so i have a clue what it is about laurence_ ?
2017-05-14T21:50:15 < Steffanx> Only thing those 15 min scrum talks can be useful for is to know what your colleagues are working on
2017-05-14T21:51:03 < Steffanx> I tend to know what my colleagues are doing, but some have no clue what the others are working on
2017-05-14T21:51:03 < branjb> isn't that what you do at the smoke pit?
2017-05-14T21:51:46 < Steffanx> No smokers :P
2017-05-14T21:52:18 < Laurenceb_>  > autism
2017-05-14T21:52:25 < Laurenceb_>  > knows what scrum is
2017-05-14T21:52:30 < Steffanx> And often talks during "smoke"-time and lunch arent work related
2017-05-14T21:52:32 < branjb> plenty of non smokers go to the smoke pit
2017-05-14T21:57:17 < Thorn> 2016/09/16 https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/filecab/2016/09/16/stop-using-smb1/
2017-05-14T21:57:23 < englishman> so agile is just a replacement for tobacco addiction
2017-05-14T21:57:38 < branjb> a bad one
2017-05-14T21:57:55 < englishman> agile is worse than cigarettes
2017-05-14T21:57:56 < englishman> wow
2017-05-14T21:57:58 < englishman> bold statement
2017-05-14T21:58:04 < branjb> all the disadv and none of the benefits
2017-05-14T21:58:21 < Laurenceb_> luckily I dont know what any of this shit is
2017-05-14T21:58:21 < englishman> so what is the vaping version of agile
2017-05-14T21:58:29 < Steffanx> Smokers are forced to go outside, so they are often the ones that dont know shit :)
2017-05-14T21:58:32 < englishman> you also dont have a job laurent
2017-05-14T21:58:39 < englishman> so it may be a good thing
2017-05-14T21:59:09 < englishman> reading the mythical man month was fun
2017-05-14T21:59:17 < englishman> so many ways to repeat the same old problems over and over
2017-05-14T21:59:41 < Steffanx> Reading?
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2017-05-14T22:00:18 < englishman> sorry, did i just give away my age there
2017-05-14T22:00:35 < Laurenceb_> my job is more liek "type random shit into gantt chart"
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2017-05-14T22:02:35 < englishman> cant wait http://i.imgur.com/9BhHzMv.jpg
2017-05-14T22:03:52 < Steffanx> Would be funny though. When everyone can watch a movie from others povs
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2017-05-14T22:07:45 < branjb> that you englishman?
2017-05-14T22:08:30 < Steffanx> englishman has less hair
2017-05-14T22:08:35 < Steffanx> And older
2017-05-14T22:08:41 < Steffanx> Is older
2017-05-14T22:08:49 < englishman> I wish
2017-05-14T22:09:01 < englishman> I could never be so American
2017-05-14T22:09:21 < Steffanx> Too much french in blood?
2017-05-14T22:09:23 < branjb> sorey
2017-05-14T22:16:30 < qyx> sup dongs
2017-05-14T22:16:44 < qyx> englishman: how are your registers
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2017-05-14T22:21:23 < englishman> qyx: deleted
2017-05-14T22:21:32 < englishman> got like 6ft range
2017-05-14T22:21:36 < englishman> moving to lora
2017-05-14T22:24:48 < qyx> doesn't work?
2017-05-14T22:25:46 < kakimir> beer injected
2017-05-14T22:25:50 < qyx> I still can't get data going from the AX to a semtech recv
2017-05-14T22:28:35 < qyx> regarding the ~agile~ methonds mentioned earlier
2017-05-14T22:28:42 < qyx> scrum is not that bad if done properly
2017-05-14T22:28:50 < qyx> but requires a significant amount of time
2017-05-14T22:28:55 < jadew> lol
2017-05-14T22:29:08 < jadew> "it comes true if you really believe"
2017-05-14T22:29:19 < jadew> "if it doesn't, it means you didn't really really believe"
2017-05-14T22:29:26 < jadew> scrum is shit
2017-05-14T22:30:15 < qyx> how many colleagues are in your team, jadew
2017-05-14T22:30:29 < jadew> I don't have a team anymore
2017-05-14T22:30:32 < qyx> count those you have dependencies on
2017-05-14T22:30:42 < jadew> but we were from 3 to 5
2017-05-14T22:30:42 < qyx> ok, so scrum is shit for you
2017-05-14T22:31:01 < jadew> we never used scrum tho
2017-05-14T22:31:09 < jadew> but I'm familiar with it
2017-05-14T22:31:21 < Steffanx> dont you work from home most of the time?
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2017-05-14T22:31:33 < jadew> Steffanx, I do
2017-05-14T22:31:39 < qyx> if there are at least ~5 members who depend on another 5 members, you need to find a way to resolve that
2017-05-14T22:32:04 < jadew> qyx, why would that be the case?
2017-05-14T22:32:04 < BrainDamage> some of the principles make sense, but there's too much memes and it feels a bit "business administration" designed, than from someone who actually does it, eg the "planning poker", or whatever it's called, unless the team has omogenous skill generally only 1-2 have the capability to correctly estimate the difficulty
2017-05-14T22:32:26 < BrainDamage> and the others only generate noise
2017-05-14T22:32:27 < qyx> BrainDamage: true
2017-05-14T22:32:51 < jadew> not to mention sprints are retarded
2017-05-14T22:33:03 < qyx> sprints are the key part of the method
2017-05-14T22:33:11 < branjb> most of the time 20% of the people do 80% of the work
2017-05-14T22:33:12 < jadew> which is why the whole thing is stupid
2017-05-14T22:33:21 < qyx> meh
2017-05-14T22:33:35 < jadew> the problem with sprints is that they're wasteful
2017-05-14T22:33:49 < jadew> I suppose they could be stressful/motivational too, but that's rarely the case
2017-05-14T22:34:01 < qyx> whats wasteful on them
2017-05-14T22:34:14 < jadew> the devs that I talked to and do scrum, see them as a way of doing less work
2017-05-14T22:34:18 < BrainDamage> I don't see sprints more wastefun than reg meetings, theyare  just distributed instead of a single h wallop weekend report
2017-05-14T22:35:12 < Laurenceb_> who is trolling who
2017-05-14T22:35:47 < Laurenceb_> we meet sometimes when the people are all awake and the guy from adultwork isnt balls deep in some oap
2017-05-14T22:36:09 < srk> or oop
2017-05-14T22:36:49 < qyx> ok, but back to ax registers
2017-05-14T22:37:26 < Laurenceb_> wew you are trying to ax the axsemi?
2017-05-14T22:38:01 < Laurenceb_> adultwork guy was trying to convince me the other day
2017-05-14T22:38:05 < jadew> Laurenceb_, you didn't answer, did you see the red pill?
2017-05-14T22:38:37 < Laurenceb_>  "older ladys mostly age in the face, also UKP100/hour"
2017-05-14T22:38:59 < Laurenceb_> I see no questions from jadew
2017-05-14T22:39:14 < jadew> I asked you yesterday
2017-05-14T22:40:11 < jadew> that's the question tho
2017-05-14T22:40:13 < Laurenceb_> wut?
2017-05-14T22:40:18 < Laurenceb_> oh the film
2017-05-14T22:40:29 < Laurenceb_> why the fuck would I watch that trash
2017-05-14T22:40:36 < Laurenceb_> it's only use is triggering value
2017-05-14T22:40:54 < jadew> I thought you're inot that stuff, always posting feminist stuff
2017-05-14T22:40:56 < Laurenceb_> although apparently MRAs congregate in Nottingham UK
2017-05-14T22:41:08 < Laurenceb_> only for the lulz
2017-05-14T22:41:25 < Laurenceb_> I should attend their meetings
2017-05-14T22:41:46 < Laurenceb_> wew https://en-gb.facebook.com/Nottingham-Anti-Fascists-249536828534850/
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2017-05-14T22:46:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.impactnottingham.com/2015/01/new-mens-rights-party-to-stand-in-nottingham/
2017-05-14T22:46:34 < Laurenceb_> itshappening.gif
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2017-05-14T22:47:59 < BrainDamage> anyone else pictures laurenceb irl communicating only with memes and everyone else has a puzzled look and chalks it under "this guy burned out during his phd" ?
2017-05-14T22:48:20 < jadew> haha
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2017-05-14T22:50:35 < Laurenceb_> I talk solely in memes, living only for e-drama with no cause inlife
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2017-05-14T23:31:22 < Prutheus> Lux: i am using the stuff which is used in this example to jump to user code: http://ix.io/tIX
2017-05-14T23:31:33 < Prutheus> what am i doing wrong? it is not jumping there.
2017-05-14T23:36:02 < Prutheus> now it works if i change: >>__set_MSP(*(__IO uint32_t*)FLASH_ADDR);<< to >>__set_MSP(0x20005000);<< ... why?
2017-05-14T23:36:16 < karlp> https://zerobin.net/?532ce0b836edc380#CH3/4UIRuNDJGoB2wcnYess/rR+/1Lk/7EqP7TyqqTw= perhaps?
2017-05-14T23:36:48 < karlp> (that's from zyp originally)
2017-05-14T23:37:53 < Prutheus> Lux: mtbg: the content of 0x08005000 is 0x20005000, but using __set_MSP with *(uint32_t*)0x08005000 gives 0x20005000?
2017-05-14T23:39:05 < Prutheus> oh no it doesnt, let me chech sth
2017-05-14T23:40:16 < Prutheus> works now
2017-05-14T23:40:18 < Prutheus> worked all time
2017-05-14T23:40:22 < Prutheus> had an issue in my define xD
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2017-05-14T23:50:51 < Thorn> wtf is going on with the 429i discovery. manual says "OTG_FS" everywhere (45 entries actually) but judging by pin numbers it is HS that is implemented
2017-05-14T23:51:54 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/6b/25/05/23/a9/45/4d/6a/DM00093903.pdf/files/DM00093903.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00093903.pdf
2017-05-14T23:53:36 < Lux> it's allways the little things :)
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2017-05-15T00:00:38 < Thorn> ok so LCM(180,48) = 720 but max frequency after PLLN is 432MHz
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2017-05-15T00:04:11 < Thorn> lcm(168, 48) = 336 seems to be the closest thing
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2017-05-15T00:31:07 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/60-in-1-S2-Tool-Steel-Precision-Screwdriver-Nutdriver-Bit-Repair-Tools-Kit-Sets/302289208897 anyone know a set one bit further from this?
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2017-05-15T00:39:28 < Steffanx> Uhm what kakimir ?
2017-05-15T00:40:31 < Steffanx> Welcommie
2017-05-15T00:41:24 < kakimir> a set that is more than that one
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2017-05-15T00:42:48 < Steffanx> More bits you mean?
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2017-05-15T00:45:45 < englishman> qyx: getting 6ft range at 1dBm output and good antennas, with suggested settings from the tool, that's 2fsk as i gave up on psk, i'm not sinking any more time into it, i'm not convinced there will be any return.
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2017-05-15T00:51:44 < branjb> what chip?
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2017-05-15T01:00:10 < englishman> ax5243
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2017-05-15T01:01:51 < branjb> you have the amplifier turned on?
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2017-05-15T01:38:30 < englishman> branjb, dont you have some homework to do
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2017-05-15T02:50:44 < Laurenceb_> cuck
2017-05-15T02:50:45 < Laurenceb_> cuck
2017-05-15T02:52:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/The+average+european+cuck/funny-pictures/5797466#bed749_5797022
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2017-05-15T03:02:46 < Laurenceb_> wew http://imgur.com/72AGGh1
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2017-05-15T03:05:49 < branjb> englishman nah its finals week
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2017-05-15T03:32:58 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb: inset that ojst bit
2017-05-15T03:32:59 < tpw_rules> insert*
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2017-05-15T04:23:12 < englishman> crt have you seen this dramatization of australia's greatest technological achievement? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205873/
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2017-05-15T04:39:56 < branjb> fanout is my favorite thing in altium
2017-05-15T04:42:58 < NotSpooky_> Hello, I'm new to STM32 and embedded software development in general, I do have experience in other kinds of software. Any recommendations where to start? Already made LEDs blink lol.
2017-05-15T04:44:19 < branjb> you using HAL or SPL?
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2017-05-15T04:47:33 < NotSpooky_> As of now doesn't matter, really haven't used either.
2017-05-15T04:48:22 < branjb> i found http://www.carminenoviello.com/mastering-stm32/ a pretty good book, it uses the HAL / cube stuff
2017-05-15T04:48:42 < branjb> but my advice might be shitty
2017-05-15T04:53:40 < NotSpooky_> Ok thanks
2017-05-15T05:06:56 < aandrew> NotSpooky_: I just started with HAL, digigng through their examples etc
2017-05-15T05:07:00 < aandrew> not the best way to get started but it worked
2017-05-15T05:07:41 < NotSpooky_> Why not the best way?
2017-05-15T05:10:04 < aandrew> because it was a lot of "how the fuck do I get this to work?"
2017-05-15T05:10:16 < aandrew> I'm using HAL too but there was a lot of figuring things out the hard way
2017-05-15T05:10:49 < branjb> HAL teaches you pretty good debugging skills
2017-05-15T05:10:51 < branjb> well
2017-05-15T05:10:52 < aandrew> I mostly now just grep the Drivers/ directory for a keyword or two to find the API
2017-05-15T05:10:58 < branjb> forces you to learn good debugging
2017-05-15T05:11:43 < aandrew> 99% of the time it's SomePeriph_Init(), which will callback SomePeriph_MspInit() which is where you enable clocks, route IO etc
2017-05-15T05:12:38 < aandrew> I tend to look at HAL for how they're expecting to see DMA or IRQs to work then write my own ISR since I firmly believe that their SomePeriph_DoSomething_IRQ or _DMA are JUST examples
2017-05-15T05:12:46 < aandrew> the polled methods are good enogh
2017-05-15T05:12:55 < aandrew> enough
2017-05-15T05:16:47 < branjb> the cube is pretty sweet for pin planning too
2017-05-15T05:17:13 < aandrew> it's ok. I wish the gui was a little better but it's a lot better than nothing
2017-05-15T05:17:40 < aandrew> I rather like the tables in the datasheet, but wish they had another set of tables for each peripheral which said where they can go
2017-05-15T05:17:48 < branjb> i've been using it as reference for doing a layout on this board
2017-05-15T05:17:53 < branjb> swapping peripherals to easier to reach pins
2017-05-15T05:17:57 < branjb> because my planning before was non existant
2017-05-15T05:18:00 < aandrew> e.g. they have pin X can do A B C D E F G, but they don't have A can be on pin W X Y Z
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2017-05-15T05:52:59 < englishman> no but datasheet has that
2017-05-15T05:53:15 < englishman> aandrew did the feds get hit with wannacry
2017-05-15T05:56:03 < englishman> hmm the whole thing is basically sasser all over again
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2017-05-15T07:32:33 < ohsix> h3h
2017-05-15T07:32:51 < ohsix> pal has some sort of heart instrumentation, defib plus something else
2017-05-15T07:33:07 < ohsix> i got one of the terminals that interrogate it
2017-05-15T07:33:28 < ohsix> this thing blasts 915.6mhz and it doestn' seem complicated
2017-05-15T07:34:43 < ohsix> has cc1101 in it
2017-05-15T07:36:15 < ohsix> i almost don't want to know that it doesn't use diffie helman or some other link shit & some sort of pki
2017-05-15T07:37:07 < ohsix> the unit in the chest will only accept the number of interrogations the doctor will set it to, so if you burned them up you could cause lots of trouble
2017-05-15T07:40:33 < jadew> ffs.. ebay is stupid
2017-05-15T07:40:52 < jadew> I can't list because they want to confirm my account, but every option I choose, they have a technical difficulty
2017-05-15T07:41:16 < jadew> I go to help, to get in touch with them, they don't have an option for technical difficulties, so I can't call them
2017-05-15T07:41:23 < jadew> I have to ask the forum
2017-05-15T07:41:39 < jadew> fucking scum, and they want 10% of the total price
2017-05-15T07:43:57 < ohsix> how long has it been failing?
2017-05-15T07:44:14 < jadew> I don't know and I don't care
2017-05-15T07:44:19 < ohsix> lots of shit on ebay is like long term broken, working with the watch list logged me out if i worked on it too much
2017-05-15T07:44:23 < jadew> if I can't list something, they should allow me to fucking call them
2017-05-15T07:44:30 < jadew> so they can assist me personally
2017-05-15T07:44:33 < ohsix> just wondering if it is something that's broke or temporari
2017-05-15T07:44:39 < jadew> I don't think it is
2017-05-15T07:44:50 < jadew> I see posts on the matter dating back to 2014
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2017-05-15T07:45:02 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-15T07:45:03 < jadew> also, this is a path it hasn't taken me on before
2017-05-15T07:45:17 < jadew> so I assume it's something broken
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2017-05-15T07:47:42 < jadew> http://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Buying-Selling-Basics/what-is/m-p/17016613
2017-05-15T07:51:45 < ohsix> huh why isnt' ebay saying anything about the domain
2017-05-15T07:51:56 < ohsix> there's lots of shit on the intertubes str8 up saying it's phishing
2017-05-15T07:53:00 < jadew> it can't be phishing
2017-05-15T07:53:15 < ohsix> oh haha
2017-05-15T07:53:23 < ohsix> it literally just says technical difficulties
2017-05-15T07:53:35 < jadew> it's stupid
2017-05-15T07:56:39 < ohsix> dunno what kg and n are for but that looks like a catch-all page that's supposed to give contact information if it's part of the request url
2017-05-15T07:56:44 < ohsix> the vrf part
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2017-05-15T08:16:26 < ohsix> i'm jelly of people finding weird stuff http://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Continuous_chirping
2017-05-15T08:26:20 < ohsix> hahaa
2017-05-15T08:26:21 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/OROUTBACK411/status/863974569731801089
2017-05-15T08:27:19 < jadew> oh man... the name of that drug...
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2017-05-15T08:43:39 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_1cK-5UIAA9Cgl.jpg:large
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2017-05-15T08:56:43 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/paul_haine/status/863415877831729152
2017-05-15T08:59:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice
2017-05-15T09:06:39 < ohsix> hell yea
2017-05-15T09:06:53 < ohsix> huhuh new kind fo science is free on the web n ow
2017-05-15T09:07:00 < ohsix> 15th anniversary or something
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2017-05-15T09:44:28 < Steffanx> Bok.
2017-05-15T09:45:01 < emeb_mac> bok bok. errrr..... bok.
2017-05-15T09:45:11  * emeb_mac makes chicken noises
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2017-05-15T09:51:43 < Steffanx> Lol. It was just croatian for hi, emeb_mac
2017-05-15T09:51:50 < Steffanx> At least so am i told
2017-05-15T09:52:18 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: Croatians speak chicken? TIL :)
2017-05-15T09:55:27 < Steffanx> :P
2017-05-15T09:59:59 < emeb_mac> haha https://trandi.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/stm32f4-discovery-art/
2017-05-15T10:00:16 < emeb_mac> cute that skoda dashboards are made with steppers
2017-05-15T10:07:45 < ohsix> nice, that's a full monty
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2017-05-15T10:32:48 < fest> `
2017-05-15T10:33:07 < fest> oops, fat fingers
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2017-05-15T12:56:18 < Tectu> Hi crt
2017-05-15T12:56:38 < Tectu> good
2017-05-15T12:56:39 < Tectu> there
2017-05-15T12:56:41 < Tectu> ?
2017-05-15T12:57:50 < Tectu> it pleases me to hear that
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2017-05-15T13:07:58 < Steffanx> Haha. Are you out yet crt?
2017-05-15T13:10:02 < Steffanx> Ok.
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2017-05-15T13:45:50 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxiCnhH6TcM
2017-05-15T13:47:02 < kakimir> got to see the movie if it's as awkwards as the last one
2017-05-15T13:47:21 < kakimir> crt: I'm stupid
2017-05-15T13:47:35 < Steffanx> Welcome to thr club
2017-05-15T13:50:26 < kakimir> I know if I remove stupidity of me I could achieve things
2017-05-15T13:50:59 < jpa-> how do you know that?
2017-05-15T13:51:00 < Steffanx> Poor guy kakimir
2017-05-15T13:51:52 < kakimir> jpa-: I use all my brain to figure it out
2017-05-15T13:55:27 < crt> welocme jpa-
2017-05-15T13:55:38 < crt> i miss kakimir and the led project
2017-05-15T13:57:00 < kakimir> led project hmm
2017-05-15T13:58:47 < crt> yessir
2017-05-15T13:58:53 < crt> it was exciting to me at least
2017-05-15T14:01:28 < kakimir> I have projects at workshop that have low payback rates or even negative total value
2017-05-15T14:01:39 < kakimir> plus my lab enhancements
2017-05-15T14:01:41 < crt> don't we all
2017-05-15T14:02:26 < kakimir> so then I decide proceed those instead of having focus on commercial potential
2017-05-15T14:03:09 < crt> i need to engineer the stroopwafel
2017-05-15T14:04:51 < crt> how many LEDs does my stroopwafel warmer need
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2017-05-15T14:21:47 < kakimir> the geometry of placing leds is important
2017-05-15T14:21:56 < crt> true
2017-05-15T14:22:01 < crt> place those leds
2017-05-15T14:22:53 < kakimir> you need to look at shower heads and floor outlet covers hole patterns to get inspirations
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2017-05-15T14:46:08 < crt> ok
2017-05-15T14:46:56 < kakimir> and do mescalin
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2017-05-15T14:51:46 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tX-szcPaD0
2017-05-15T14:54:32 < kakimir> ebay adhessive shrink tubes equal to ones from local electronics shop?
2017-05-15T14:55:01 < kakimir> anyone has dared to try?
2017-05-15T14:55:21 < crt> wut
2017-05-15T14:55:43 < crt> 90% of my local electronics stuff is the equiv to aliexpress
2017-05-15T14:55:49 < crt> but 10x more expensive
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2017-05-15T15:08:07 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-15T15:11:16 < sync> kakimir: I only buy raychem and hellermanntyton now
2017-05-15T15:11:28 < sync> and some techflex stuff
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2017-05-15T15:23:53 < Steffanx> Are you also the one that pays sync?
2017-05-15T15:24:08 < sync> yes
2017-05-15T15:25:30 < Steffanx> Ok :)
2017-05-15T15:26:14 < Thorn> Inmarsat-5 Flight 4 Launch Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynMYE64IEKs
2017-05-15T15:28:28 < Steffanx> 10 hours?
2017-05-15T15:29:42 < Thorn> 9 hours 51 minutes
2017-05-15T15:30:02 < Thorn> no landing this time :/
2017-05-15T15:38:58 < kakimir> no brand in my tubes
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2017-05-15T15:44:03 < englishman> fun fact: Tectu is pronounced "tek-chu"
2017-05-15T15:45:44 < sync> Steffanx: I've done some racing stuff and I gladly pay more for a product that does not fail when used hard
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2017-05-15T15:53:47 < englishman> i have the same opinion towards whores
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2017-05-15T15:54:52 < Thorn> why doesn't Elon release a new programming language for low level embedded stuff, they sure do a lot of critical embedded
2017-05-15T15:59:52 < jpa-> yeah.. critical embedded stuff, surely a thing where you want to be the first to use a new programming language
2017-05-15T16:09:04 < Steffanx> Neuron C is already a thing. He will use that for the brain implant
2017-05-15T16:09:30 < kakimir> mil connectors are hard
2017-05-15T16:09:56 < BrainDamage> I've actually considered trying ada since it seem already used in critical systems and has some niceties such as builtin boundary checks, etc
2017-05-15T16:10:38 < Steffanx> 🤓
2017-05-15T16:11:28 < zyp> kakimir, sma not good enough anymore?
2017-05-15T16:11:40 < Thorn> you can win $5500 for using ada, starting today http://www.makewithada.org/
2017-05-15T16:12:15 < Tectu> ada is actually quite nice to work with
2017-05-15T16:13:49 < kakimir> what is that neuron thing?
2017-05-15T16:13:59 < kakimir> what it adds to C
2017-05-15T16:14:07 < kakimir> zyp: true
2017-05-15T16:14:17 < mtbg> maybe micro jvm
2017-05-15T16:14:41 < mtbg> why reinvent the wheel
2017-05-15T16:14:55 < Thorn> 2700 clock cycles to toggle a pin
2017-05-15T16:15:07 < kakimir> https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Catalog%20Drawings/Connectors/ART-14-19-SOLDER.jpg this one shows the pin "numbering" a bit better
2017-05-15T16:15:21 < kakimir> so A is the topmost one
2017-05-15T16:15:33 < mtbg> btw
2017-05-15T16:15:41 < mtbg> there was something like thumbee
2017-05-15T16:15:53 < mtbg> for efficient virtual machines
2017-05-15T16:16:17 < kakimir> sure there must be in modern times of virtualization
2017-05-15T16:17:04 < Thorn> mtbg: https://learn.adafruit.com/using-neopixels-with-netduino/overview https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17.6+usec+*+168+MHz
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2017-05-15T16:18:27 < mtbg> .net
2017-05-15T16:18:29 < mtbg> even better
2017-05-15T16:18:30 < mtbg> :>
2017-05-15T16:18:58 < mtbg> but well, jit+thumbee could be a way to go
2017-05-15T16:19:14 < BrainDamage> can you turn off the GC in the net vm?
2017-05-15T16:19:53 < mtbg> boundary checking is inefficient
2017-05-15T16:20:04 < mtbg> and thumbee does it in hardware
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2017-05-15T16:30:31 < Thorn> >... after which ThumbEE was deprecated as well
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2017-05-15T16:31:13 < Laurenceb_> embedded .net?
2017-05-15T16:32:34 < Thorn> BrainDamage: >This problem can be solved by making sure that interrupts are disabled when we communicate with the WS2812.
2017-05-15T16:33:00 < Thorn> lol
2017-05-15T16:33:15 < BrainDamage> so you can't. and it's shit
2017-05-15T16:33:29 < BrainDamage> into the trash it goes
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2017-05-15T16:48:10 < karlp> say you have an AFE that has boht a x1, x2, x4 PGA block, and _also_ has a /1, /2, /4 adc scale option.  how do you choose which one?  is there anything other than "test and see which one is more linear for your requirements" ?
2017-05-15T16:50:21 < jpa-> so you mean x1 /1  vs.  x4 /4?
2017-05-15T16:51:52 < jpa-> i would assume using PGA unnecessarily would limit the measument range because it would clip to rails?
2017-05-15T16:59:27 < karlp> I guess, more curious about the low end.
2017-05-15T16:59:48 < karlp> I'm not really looking at automatically tryign to switch ranges, just configuring the correct range once.
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2017-05-15T17:00:59 < karlp> datasheet says adc offset is +- 30mV (though it has compensation registers for that) so using only 125mV adc range seems like uncalibrated error would be lower if you use the PGA instead, but who knows after calibration
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2017-05-15T17:27:18 < Thorn> larger signal -> larger SNR
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2017-05-15T17:29:22 < karlp> so why turn the adc range down?
2017-05-15T17:30:04 < karlp> oh, you reckon the reduced range adc has better SNR than usng the PGA? in that case, why ever use the PGA?
2017-05-15T17:30:16 < karlp> that's where I'm getting confused, why would you need both options?
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2017-05-15T17:46:38 < Thorn> quantizaiton error of an ideal ADC is 1/2 LSB. if your max amplitude is 10LSB then 1/2LSB is 5%
2017-05-15T17:48:43 < Thorn> dynamic range is about 9 and effective resolution is log2(10)
2017-05-15T17:56:10 < karlp> so why ever use the PGA then?
2017-05-15T17:57:57 < Thorn> so that your 12-bit ADC actually is a 12-bit ADC and not 3.2 or whatever bit ADC
2017-05-15T17:58:23 < karlp> right, but I'm getting 12 bits over the range 0.125V vs 12bits over the range of 0.5V.
2017-05-15T17:59:36 < karlp> from what I'm understanding of what you're saying, if my signal is only 0-0.1V, I should choose to bring the adc ref down to 0.125V rather than use the pga to bring my 0.1V signal up to 0-0.4V.
2017-05-15T18:01:56 < Thorn> I guess that depends on what the datasheet says about performance (INL, DNL etc.) at that Vref
2017-05-15T18:02:47 < karlp> it doesn't
2017-05-15T18:03:14 < karlp> (which is why I'm asking)
2017-05-15T18:03:22 < karlp> (ADE7758 if you want to read it yourself)
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2017-05-15T19:04:12 < englishman> karlp: so, how do i #include 802.15.4 in 3 lines of C or less?
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2017-05-15T19:13:16 < [7]> "Keep the main current traces as possible as short and wide." - aha...
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2017-05-15T19:27:48 < karlp> englishman: same way you #include lora....
2017-05-15T19:28:18 < englishman> lora actually does have an arduino lib
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2017-05-15T19:46:04 < Thorn> live feed of nothing going on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgpaydoo0rw
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2017-05-15T20:15:52 < Steffanx> fix your shit Laurenceb
2017-05-15T20:17:21 < englishman> he's using NHS as a bouncer
2017-05-15T20:17:36 < englishman> and opened up port 445 to do it
2017-05-15T20:18:54 < Steffanx> ill make his arse bounce
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2017-05-15T20:21:15 < karlp> fucking simulators were all acceptting 1M as a resistor value, but interpreting it as 1milliohm or something, not 1megahohm
2017-05-15T20:21:24 < karlp> cahnged to 1000k and start getting sim results as expected
2017-05-15T20:23:30 < sync> yeah, that triggers me every time I use ltspice
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2017-05-15T20:40:09 < ohsix> boop
2017-05-15T20:45:34 < Steffanx> beep
2017-05-15T20:49:51 < aandrew> karlp: haha
2017-05-15T20:49:56 < aandrew> yeah circuitlab does that shit
2017-05-15T20:49:58 < aandrew> 1m
2017-05-15T20:50:01 < aandrew> ok, one milliohm
2017-05-15T20:50:02 < aandrew> oh ffs
2017-05-15T20:52:07 < jpa-> well m is clearly milli, but M should be mega :P
2017-05-15T20:55:33 < aandrew> sure, I agree
2017-05-15T20:55:35 < aandrew> I'm just bitching :-)
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2017-05-15T22:05:38 < ohsix> halp what do the chinese vendors call modular hose / loc-line
2017-05-15T22:06:03 < ohsix> pal brought in a pcb holder with one and i was telling him what they were from, and i got some ideaz
2017-05-15T22:06:07 < ohsix> now i need some
2017-05-15T22:07:16 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-300mm-Flexible-Plastic-Water-Oil-Coolant-Pipe-Hose-for-Lathe-CNC-11-9-Nozzle-/401276660665?hash=item5d6df3ebb9:g:zXAAAOSw4CFYpDUI   this?
2017-05-15T22:07:26 < mtbg> karlp: mega is meg
2017-05-15T22:07:28 < mtbg> in spice
2017-05-15T22:07:35 < mtbg> m or M is milli
2017-05-15T22:07:45 < Steffanx> im sure he knows that. but it still stupid.
2017-05-15T22:08:03 < Steffanx> as it just accepts it and doesnt warn you or wahtever
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2017-05-15T22:25:09 < tpw_rules> is it possible to switch an stm32l0 from protection level 2 to level 0 with user code?
2017-05-15T22:25:18 < tpw_rules> or is it impossible short of desoldering the chip and replacing it
2017-05-15T22:26:50 < englishman> locked as fuck, without fib, afaik.
2017-05-15T22:27:00 < tpw_rules> ah
2017-05-15T22:27:20 < tpw_rules> ugh. cause in my chip errata they're like "level one does not work" and i don't want to destroy chips
2017-05-15T22:27:26 < tpw_rules> during development
2017-05-15T22:29:43 < englishman> really, which chip
2017-05-15T22:30:01 < tpw_rules> stm32L0153C8T6
2017-05-15T22:30:20 < tpw_rules> wait hm did i transpose something
2017-05-15T22:31:02 < tpw_rules> sorry, STM32L051C8T3
2017-05-15T22:31:30 < tpw_rules> https://i.imgur.com/CHJldum.png
2017-05-15T22:33:32 < tpw_rules> i need to guarantee erasing the flash
2017-05-15T22:36:37 < tpw_rules> that chip has a bunch of stupid errata
2017-05-15T22:36:39 < tpw_rules> it's annouying
2017-05-15T22:38:13 < englishman> what amazing seekrit code are you trying to protect on this general purpose mcu
2017-05-15T22:39:11 < tpw_rules> keys for our secret system
2017-05-15T22:39:16 < tpw_rules> why
2017-05-15T22:39:23 < Steffanx> "none of your business. Its secret" ? :P
2017-05-15T22:39:42 < tpw_rules> nah the code's not that great. it's the keys so china can't build a billion clones and attach to our system
2017-05-15T22:40:32 < Steffanx> How good is the lock anyway? If china wants they will clone.
2017-05-15T22:40:45 < tpw_rules> well the key is unique per device
2017-05-15T22:40:54 < tpw_rules> so if they FIB one of them, then they can make one
2017-05-15T22:43:01 < tpw_rules> also it will stop someone trying to rejigger the thing to work with their system
2017-05-15T22:43:23 < tpw_rules> but whatever
2017-05-15T22:44:23 < Steffanx> Did you accidentilly shoot Tectu while hunting geeoose englishman?
2017-05-15T22:44:45 < englishman> i would never do that, tek-chu is a real nigga
2017-05-15T22:45:22 < Steffanx> but it happens.
2017-05-15T22:46:21 < tpw_rules> does china bother with FIB
2017-05-15T22:47:05 < tpw_rules> or do they just tie up a 5 year old and make him write some close enough firmware
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2017-05-15T22:48:24 < englishman> pretty sure china ic cloning service is like $1500 now
2017-05-15T22:48:42 < englishman> plus 4% pp fee of course
2017-05-15T22:49:04 < tpw_rules> ah well. the aim is for a clone to be useless
2017-05-15T22:49:25 < englishman> aim high then
2017-05-15T22:49:35 < tpw_rules> what do you mean
2017-05-15T22:52:04 < tpw_rules> we give each device a unique id and a unique key. it uploads data to our servers tagged with that id and encrypted with that key. the server looks up the key for that id and decrypts the data
2017-05-15T22:52:30 < tpw_rules> if china makes up a new id, we won't have the key and can't decrypt it. if they clone the id then the data would be indistinguishable and useless
2017-05-15T22:52:50 < Tectu> don´t shoot the tectu
2017-05-15T22:53:11 < tpw_rules> don`t?
2017-05-15T22:53:43 < Tectu> don´t make fun of my broken apostrophes
2017-05-15T22:54:59 < tpw_rules> englishman: do you see an issue?
2017-05-15T22:55:09 < englishman> it's complicated and non-future-proof
2017-05-15T22:55:16 < tpw_rules> how
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2017-05-15T22:56:58 < tpw_rules> i don't understand what makes it complicated
2017-05-15T22:57:04 < tpw_rules> the job of the device is to collect data and upload it to our servers
2017-05-15T22:57:15 < englishman> you don't plan on upgrading firmware in the field right
2017-05-15T22:57:24 < tpw_rules> why couldn't we
2017-05-15T22:57:32 < englishman> what's your plan for that
2017-05-15T22:57:58 < tpw_rules> encrypt the firmware with that key? the device is already connected to our servers so it's easy to write a way to retrieve the customized version
2017-05-15T22:58:24 < englishman> so both public and private keys onchip?
2017-05-15T22:58:33 < tpw_rules> no it's symmetric
2017-05-15T22:58:39 < englishman> ok
2017-05-15T22:59:32 < tpw_rules> idk it seemed like a good idea to me
2017-05-15T22:59:47 < sync> > 2017
2017-05-15T22:59:54 < tpw_rules> > greentext
2017-05-15T22:59:54 < sync> > symmetric crypto
2017-05-15T22:59:56 < sync> pls
2017-05-15T23:00:06 < tpw_rules> it's an AEAD mode
2017-05-15T23:00:07 < sync> > implying greentext
2017-05-15T23:00:53 < Steffanx> Damn, i had to google what greentext is supposed to mean. then i read 4chan and i all knew it.
2017-05-15T23:01:03 < Tectu> shower time
2017-05-15T23:01:05 < Tectu> wrong channel.
2017-05-15T23:01:08 < Steffanx> enjoy.
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2017-05-15T23:01:12 < englishman> right channel
2017-05-15T23:01:20 < tpw_rules> definitely ^
2017-05-15T23:01:23 < englishman> wait
2017-05-15T23:01:23 < englishman> wait
2017-05-15T23:01:33 < englishman> https://www.google.ca/search?q=switzerland+time
2017-05-15T23:01:37 < englishman> 22:01
2017-05-15T23:01:40 < Steffanx> 22:01.
2017-05-15T23:01:46 < Steffanx> !wz bern
2017-05-15T23:01:46 < englishman> /!\ ILLEGAL SHOWER /!\
2017-05-15T23:01:51 < Steffanx> no more bot?
2017-05-15T23:02:02 < englishman> guess not
2017-05-15T23:02:04 < Tectu> screw you guys :p
2017-05-15T23:02:15 < englishman> it runs on lunix, what do you expect
2017-05-15T23:03:45 < Steffanx> it doesnt run.
2017-05-15T23:04:57 < englishman> tpw, i don't have enough experience in crypto to give you advice. but i at least know that rolling your own is always bad. although it at least seems like you have some idea what you're doing. permanent key storage and embedded crypto can be difficult to manage sooner than you think
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2017-05-15T23:31:42 < tpw_rules> englishman: thank you for your concern. yeah i'm hoping to run the plan by as many people as possible and see if they have anything to say. i know very well the advice there but i'm using all standard modes and stuff
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2017-05-16T00:32:27 < kakimir> how to dummy read disk device in linuz?
2017-05-16T00:32:51 < kakimir> what i set as of= for dd?
2017-05-16T00:33:45 < kakimir> want to test for possible problems without creating large files
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2017-05-16T01:01:31 < crt> stfn
2017-05-16T01:02:07 < crt> Sup
2017-05-16T01:08:31 < kakimir> puncture in new tyre fuu
2017-05-16T01:09:52 < kakimir> drove 50meters it being totally flat... wonder if it's actually dones already
2017-05-16T01:10:36 < englishman> morning crt, how was the commute https://i.imgur.com/hebz99f.jpg
2017-05-16T01:11:09 < crt> Cat pics tho
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2017-05-16T01:31:30 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/wlO3C
2017-05-16T01:31:32 < aandrew> damn, that's a lot of wiring already, and that's just power
2017-05-16T01:34:12 < crt> englishman: cat update?
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2017-05-16T01:34:59 < crt> aandrew: are you designing a selfie drone :3
2017-05-16T01:35:06 < aandrew> lol
2017-05-16T01:35:13 < aandrew> no, it's just a platform for control software
2017-05-16T01:35:18 < aandrew> rctimer spider
2017-05-16T01:35:35 < crt> I see
2017-05-16T01:36:15 < aandrew> http://avidroneaerospace.com/ working with those guys
2017-05-16T01:36:53 < crt> Cool
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2017-05-16T01:37:38 < crt> Checks good for me, no kickstarter link on page
2017-05-16T01:38:12 < aandrew> haha no, no kickstarter
2017-05-16T01:39:21 < crt> :D
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2017-05-16T01:59:30 < Laurenceb_> synthetic aperture radar on a drone
2017-05-16T01:59:35 < Laurenceb_> ^ business idea
2017-05-16T02:00:29 < crt> Welcome Laurenceb_
2017-05-16T02:02:27 < Laurenceb_> or maybe fluxgate magnetometer
2017-05-16T02:02:35 < Laurenceb_> prob too much interference for that
2017-05-16T02:04:03 < crt> Good name hey
2017-05-16T02:07:55 < Laurenceb_> fluxgoatse
2017-05-16T02:11:27 < crt> Cool
2017-05-16T02:11:45 < Thorn> stream started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynMYE64IEKs
2017-05-16T02:13:41 < crt> Hi Thor
2017-05-16T02:15:45 < Laurenceb_> that guy looks how I imagine a nasaspaceflight.com forum commentator to look
2017-05-16T02:15:55 < Laurenceb_> emdrive fanboy
2017-05-16T02:16:21 < Laurenceb_> overweight dorks
2017-05-16T02:17:05 < Thorn> I think he's been promoted, he wasn't Principal Integration Engineer before
2017-05-16T02:17:46 < Laurenceb_> what have Muricans achieved recently tbh
2017-05-16T02:19:37 < Laurenceb_> I guess emdrive is British, so Muricans arent _that_ stupid
2017-05-16T02:20:12 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c636831/v636831306/446f0/87q8dt50ZvU.jpg
2017-05-16T02:22:45 < ohsix> h3h
2017-05-16T02:23:03 < ohsix> making a schematic of that radar thing so i can start naming junk in the firmware
2017-05-16T02:24:16 < ohsix> aandrew: what kind of control?
2017-05-16T02:25:03 < mtbg> I heard that emdrive v2.0 will have a tire valve and a pump for inflating it
2017-05-16T02:25:17 < mtbg> so that you have to inflate it to the required thrust
2017-05-16T02:25:31 < mtbg> and then it will produce constant force
2017-05-16T02:25:55 < mtbg> equal to p*(A1-A2)
2017-05-16T02:26:22 < mtbg> where A1 and A2 are areas of  the bigger and smaller end plate
2017-05-16T02:27:24 < ohsix> i heard an old lady fart loudly in public
2017-05-16T02:28:23 < ohsix> aandrew: more specifically, what size payload
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2017-05-16T02:35:32 < aandrew> Thorn: thanks for that, got to show the boys the launch up to the coast phase
2017-05-16T02:35:50 < aandrew> was hoping to see the first stage land upright but it doesn't look like they'll show that here
2017-05-16T02:36:22 < aandrew> Thorn: nice board
2017-05-16T02:36:43 < aandrew> ohsix: ardupilot
2017-05-16T02:37:15 < ohsix> just to evaluate it or wut
2017-05-16T02:37:27 < aandrew> j/k. it'll be PX4 HW but custom firmware
2017-05-16T02:37:29 < ohsix> i got to fly a phantom 4 and a 3dr thing this weekend
2017-05-16T02:38:03 < aandrew> this particular one won't have much of a payload
2017-05-16T02:38:15 < ohsix> i guess all the people i've seen fly the phantom sucks or are pussies, if you put it in sport mode it handles really well, like, to me it implied the esc wasn't just a throttle input but something smarter
2017-05-16T02:38:17 < aandrew> bunch of sensors and comms, heaviest thing will be the battery
2017-05-16T02:38:31 < aandrew> I can't fly worth a shit, my 8yo is actually pretty good though
2017-05-16T02:38:34 < ohsix> the 3dr one was ok, didn't try it in not-easy mode
2017-05-16T02:38:57 < ohsix> i think they cost too much and look stupid, but the p4 is pretty legit
2017-05-16T02:39:01 < aandrew> yeah he's only in easy mode
2017-05-16T02:39:16 < aandrew> this one won't be a drivable one, it's all computer controlled
2017-05-16T02:39:38 < ohsix> on same size battery there's more fly time, even with the onboard smarts, probably because of the stupid looking body hehe
2017-05-16T02:39:53 < aandrew> I know almost nothing about drones, but jumped at this because it's cool and the boys would love hanging out there
2017-05-16T02:40:08 < ohsix> word
2017-05-16T02:40:22 < ohsix> the control systems are interesting
2017-05-16T02:40:53 < ohsix> if you want to f' around, someone wrote a really simple/dumb firmware replacement for the cheerson cx10
2017-05-16T02:41:08 < aandrew> I wouldn't mind hacking aorund on the U807B
2017-05-16T02:41:11 < ohsix> so you can make it smarter, but it's an stm8
2017-05-16T02:41:13 < aandrew> I have two of those, I think they're stm32 based
2017-05-16T02:41:47 < aandrew> I have some tiny tiny quadcopter toys, they're stm32 based too
2017-05-16T02:42:09 < ohsix> i'd like to see the actual firmware that comes on the things originally, if you find one unfused
2017-05-16T02:42:15 < aandrew> yeah that'd be wild
2017-05-16T02:42:29 < ohsix> like the control rates on the stm8 one
2017-05-16T02:42:46 < ohsix> you can clearly do a decent little quadcopter with a tiny ass 8 bit micro
2017-05-16T02:43:29 < ohsix> after i get back from sf i gotta do some 3d printer time, need to make replacement frame for a tiny quad that keeps breaking, and a robot frame for my tiny motors&drivers
2017-05-16T02:43:45 < ohsix> once i have the frame i can order some cheap garbage to stick on it
2017-05-16T02:48:26 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/9Sua7
2017-05-16T02:48:28 < aandrew> that's the tiny one
2017-05-16T02:48:37 < aandrew> it's not STM32, maybe that is the one you were talking about
2017-05-16T02:49:17 < aandrew> F050K4
2017-05-16T02:50:47 < aandrew> cheerson apparently uses the same chip
2017-05-16T02:53:43 < aandrew> STM32F050K4 is a Cortex M0
2017-05-16T02:59:29 < Lux> aandrew: any special reason to do a custom firmware ?
2017-05-16T03:03:29 < Lux> imo if you do that you just rewrite lots of the existing stuff anyway
2017-05-16T03:07:53 < aandrew> Lux: no there's stuff they want to add that isn't there, and they don't want to OSS their stuff so I can't really look at any of the existing stuff (they have a bunch of software they've already written)
2017-05-16T03:09:33 < Lux> fyi px4 has a bsd license
2017-05-16T03:10:18 < Lux> so if I'm not completely wrong you don't have to OSS your changes
2017-05-16T03:11:40 < Lux> still pretty fun stuff to work on, just a lot of work to spin your own stuff
2017-05-16T03:12:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mouser.co.uk/new/Wandboard/wandboard-hobbitboard-brillo/
2017-05-16T03:12:37 < Laurenceb_> Hobbitboard
2017-05-16T03:12:40 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-05-16T03:15:21 < sync> you must be ripped if your sides constantly hurt
2017-05-16T03:16:07 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/BNkxdFn.jpg
2017-05-16T03:19:01 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_4xyUMWsAAWBeP.jpg
2017-05-16T03:19:06 < Laurenceb_> surely a shop
2017-05-16T03:31:54 < Laurenceb_> Corbyn 2017tbh
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2017-05-16T03:33:37 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/3ZQf4j1
2017-05-16T03:33:47 < Laurenceb_> it's not me honest....
2017-05-16T03:35:02 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c638523/v638523306/20c61/NLTo2xF5LYI.jpg
2017-05-16T03:38:04 < englishman> crt: yes
2017-05-16T03:38:46 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/4KKpGsz.jpg
2017-05-16T03:42:36 < aandrew> ohsix: so I've got a jlink hoooked up to this stm32f050k4
2017-05-16T03:42:44 < aandrew> can't seem to reset it to read ID
2017-05-16T03:42:49 < aandrew> oh wait let me swap swdio/swdck
2017-05-16T03:43:22 < aandrew> nope still no go
2017-05-16T03:43:38 < aandrew> don't know if this is because the chip is protected or because I have something wrong
2017-05-16T03:47:24 < crt> ty englishman
2017-05-16T03:47:38 < englishman> np
2017-05-16T03:47:41 < englishman> thats a freshie
2017-05-16T03:47:55 < crt> Steffanx: the package was inspected, who in their right mind would ship 1.5kg of STROOPWAFELS :D
2017-05-16T03:49:17 < englishman> inspected for autism
2017-05-16T03:49:47 < crt> :]
2017-05-16T03:50:11 < crt> i want to put a metal swastika in the package
2017-05-16T03:50:14 < crt> so when they xray it
2017-05-16T03:57:06 < crt> (c) ABI industries
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2017-05-16T04:34:15 < Laurenceb_> englishman:cat has bad eye?
2017-05-16T04:35:08 < englishman> its a lil leaky
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2017-05-16T05:00:47 < branjb> anyone used the 485 stuff with an stm32?
2017-05-16T05:02:46 < aandrew> I've used 485, not specifically with stm32
2017-05-16T05:05:55 < branjb> i've used it with the max485 IC, but was seeing that some of the f0 / f1's had some kind of built in 485
2017-05-16T05:06:07 < branjb> wondering what exactly it is, not that much info
2017-05-16T05:07:44 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/MOFOZ that's about all it says
2017-05-16T05:07:48 < branjb> in the ds
2017-05-16T05:08:34 < crt> bonr
2017-05-16T05:10:34 < aandrew> yeah, probably just means it has a "transmitter shift register empty" interrupt which you can use to disable the RS485 driver
2017-05-16T05:10:38 < branjb> yep
2017-05-16T05:10:47 < branjb> still need a separate transceiver
2017-05-16T05:10:50 < aandrew> yes
2017-05-16T05:10:54 < aandrew> it's just a gimmick
2017-05-16T05:11:06 < aandrew> use a timer that is reset whenever you transmit a character and when the timer expires kill the DE
2017-05-16T05:11:09 < crt> stm32 is great still
2017-05-16T05:11:16 < branjb> yeah
2017-05-16T05:12:01 < branjb> guess i need to spin a board with a max485 on it
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2017-05-16T05:12:34 < aandrew> why?
2017-05-16T05:12:43 < aandrew> there are a million cheap 485 txievers
2017-05-16T05:14:18 < branjb> i have a stepper driver controlled via 485, mainly i just don't want a random adapter board hanging around
2017-05-16T05:34:35 < crt> SMOKING WHIZZ
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2017-05-16T05:43:34 < Thorn> you shouldn't need a timer, there is the TC interrupt
2017-05-16T05:43:52 < Thorn> ST even had an AN about it
2017-05-16T05:46:29 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/52/57/b8/e4/08/38/43/cd/CD00249778.pdf/files/CD00249778.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00249778.pdf
2017-05-16T05:46:43 < branjb> ty
2017-05-16T05:48:46 < englishman> branjb: karl p is a 485 expert. if you still need to pry
2017-05-16T05:50:02 < aandrew> branjb: but again why not any old 485 transceiver, why a max485 specifically
2017-05-16T05:50:08 < Thorn> and http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/c8/5f/ef/b7/f8/a5/48/15/DM00055208.pdf/files/DM00055208.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00055208.pdf
2017-05-16T05:50:21 < Thorn> for newer uarts with hardware DE
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2017-05-16T06:15:58 < upgrdman> i should make this my background when im in shanghai for work   https://i.redd.it/w01dben58qxy.jpg
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2017-05-16T06:25:44 < ohsix> how about this http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/files/2014/06/140602-franklin-tiananmen-04.jpg
2017-05-16T06:26:26 < ohsix> dang i've seen that image a thousand times, but now it seems more real
2017-05-16T06:30:13 < crt> nice
2017-05-16T06:32:08 < crt> i have a customer who is avoiding paying the bill
2017-05-16T06:32:10 < crt> so what does he do
2017-05-16T06:34:52 < ohsix> change his number?
2017-05-16T06:34:57 < ohsix> sue?
2017-05-16T06:35:35 < ohsix> dicker about pre-repair agreed cost?
2017-05-16T06:36:37 < ohsix> on the edge of my seat
2017-05-16T06:37:17 < ohsix> loool there's a juicy story in ISHN
2017-05-16T06:38:22 < ohsix> buh can't read it w/o account http://www.ishn.com/articles/106349-the-corporate-social-responsibility-mirage?v=preview
2017-05-16T06:38:36 < ohsix> googling it gives away the 'mirage' meme
2017-05-16T06:41:43 < ohsix> https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/blob/master/Luminary099/KALMAN_FILTER.agc
2017-05-16T06:41:48 < ohsix> so much for being expensive
2017-05-16T06:44:06 < crt> hi
2017-05-16T06:55:13 < englishman> take his profitability
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2017-05-16T06:58:04 < crt> englishman: he brings his new repairs to a different shop i do repairs for anyway
2017-05-16T06:58:04 < crt> lol
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2017-05-16T07:52:55 < englishman> crafty bogan
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2017-05-16T08:01:01 < crt> ya
2017-05-16T08:01:29 < crt> the blown capacitor
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2017-05-16T08:54:17 < Steffanx> You only just noticed crt?
2017-05-16T09:05:17 < upgrdman> 'murica!  https://imgur.com/hebz99f
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2017-05-16T09:51:22 < Steffanx> That is also your "'murica" R2COM ;)
2017-05-16T09:52:34 < Steffanx> Oh i didnt notice the "sporting goods"-sign
2017-05-16T09:56:54 < upgrdman> :)
2017-05-16T09:57:33 < upgrdman> when i was 19 or 20 i used to ride those scooter things around in walmart late at night (1am ish)
2017-05-16T09:57:44 < upgrdman> was kinda fun, but then you get dirty looks
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2017-05-16T10:16:43 < Steffanx> Those are wallmart property?
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2017-05-16T10:36:28 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ya
2017-05-16T10:36:57 < ohsix> jpa-: yea that (sorry for late reply)
2017-05-16T10:37:17 < upgrdman> Steffanx, theyre provided for people with real disabilities (sprined ankle, etc.) ... but its mostly fat fucks using them
2017-05-16T10:38:18 < ohsix> heh: 12:58 < tpw_rules> no it's symmetric
2017-05-16T10:38:42 < upgrdman> typically theres a few near the door when you enter, like this  http://www.moron.com/wp-content/uploads/walmart-scooters.jpg
2017-05-16T10:38:53 < upgrdman> plugged in, charging
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2017-05-16T10:39:43 < upgrdman> lol, google "walmart scooters" for lots more lol photos
2017-05-16T10:40:02 < upgrdman> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/42/4b/47/424b471957fac81022f7897295b7c4fc.jpg
2017-05-16T10:43:33 < ohsix> aandrew: only time i've had a problem like that, it was for one of the flags openocd and stuff weren't aware of, and the dude that programmed it didn't even know they set it when they were flashing it, the tool for windows can remove it, can't remember what it was called tho
2017-05-16T10:49:13 < ohsix> weirdly, it would work if i held reset (openocd) but stuff would fail
2017-05-16T10:50:32 < PeterM> iirc there was a blog called "people of walmart"
2017-05-16T10:51:00 < upgrdman> o hya
2017-05-16T10:51:03 < upgrdman> oh ya
2017-05-16T10:51:05 < ohsix> All provided J-Link Commander command files and J-Flash projects set the read out protection to level 1 (ROP == Level 1).
2017-05-16T10:51:06 < upgrdman> a whole youtube video
2017-05-16T10:51:10 < ohsix> heh may have been this
2017-05-16T10:52:28 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/WOev6lt.png :\ the incredible lucidity of the marijuana user
2017-05-16T10:52:41 < PeterM> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
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2017-05-16T10:56:08 < upgrdman> damn  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zi95uRjgw&feature=youtu.be
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2017-05-16T10:59:29 < ohsix> guy filming that is a huge dickwad
2017-05-16T10:59:44 < ohsix> if you're going to do that keep it to yourself
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2017-05-16T11:06:13 < crt> the shattered dashpot
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2017-05-16T12:55:28 < jadew> so... I called ebay about not being able to list my item
2017-05-16T12:55:41 < karlp> finally found a phone numberÐ
2017-05-16T12:55:43 < karlp> ?
2017-05-16T12:55:48 < jadew> yeah
2017-05-16T12:55:59 < jadew> somehow they gave it to me on the same page
2017-05-16T12:56:08 < jadew> no it's back to we're having technical difficulties
2017-05-16T12:56:12 < jadew> and no way to contact them
2017-05-16T12:57:04 < jadew> anyway, I called them and got to talk to an indian guy, who introduced himself (I couldn't understand his name)
2017-05-16T12:57:12 < jadew> and he called me back to verify my account
2017-05-16T12:57:30 < jadew> and the verification question was: "Can you please tell me my name?"
2017-05-16T12:57:31 < jadew> haha
2017-05-16T12:58:29 < jadew> I told him I'm sorry, but I didn't remember, because it sounded like something I can't even pronounce
2017-05-16T12:59:28 < jadew> he told me to try again in 5 minutes
2017-05-16T12:59:36 < jadew> it's still broken
2017-05-16T13:04:55 < karlp> Laurenceb: what's the purpose of a fluxgate magnetometer on a drone?
2017-05-16T13:11:22 < karlp> aandrew: branjb: the "rs485 support" in the usart v2 peripherals means you can configure a pin to directly be the Drive Enable pin, and don't need any timers or interrupts.  it just drives the pin when it has something to write, and turns it off at the right time when it's finished.
2017-05-16T13:12:31 < karlp> branjb: and yeah, fuck using max485, you trying to burn money or something?
2017-05-16T13:20:43 < karlp> heh, gas discharge tubes in 5mm square. cute: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/littelfuse-inc/SH230/F9939CT-ND/6574851
2017-05-16T13:20:47 < sync> but dem maxim parts
2017-05-16T13:21:37 < Thorn> I got 100x max3485 from aliexpress for $8.8
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2017-05-16T13:22:28 < karlp> Thorn: what's the dspie image for? and was that draw digitally? looked neat, nice style
2017-05-16T13:23:16 < Thorn> just found some EE student's page on vk.com. that toner transfer SDR board was his too
2017-05-16T13:23:38 < karlp> oh, presumed they were your stuff.
2017-05-16T13:23:47 < karlp> pretty fancy work for toner transfer pcbs
2017-05-16T13:24:24 < Thorn> the drawing looks like pencil on paper
2017-05-16T13:25:11 < Thorn> he seems to be into birds
2017-05-16T13:25:16 < crt> sensei
2017-05-16T13:25:25 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c837427/v837427096/1ee22/0O6hjotx8Ug.jpg
2017-05-16T13:25:42 < karlp> well, the digitization of the drawing was't the usual pencil -> digital style I've seen
2017-05-16T13:29:59 < crt> the digital freakout
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2017-05-16T13:45:35 < karlp> so glad that someone made a virt protocol called spice too.
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2017-05-16T13:48:31 < crt> i need grease for my turntable mate
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2017-05-16T13:49:54 < crt> do you understand the severity of this
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2017-05-16T13:54:35 < sync> lube them bearings
2017-05-16T13:55:52 < crt> i agree
2017-05-16T13:56:22 < crt> i've probably sniffed enough cocaine for the next 15 years by taking apart these SL1200MK2 decks
2017-05-16T13:59:04 < crt> welcome sync
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2017-05-16T14:03:08 < sync> typical djs snorting coke off the tables?
2017-05-16T14:03:16 < sync> mine were pretty clean when I got them
2017-05-16T14:03:48 < crt> i guess
2017-05-16T14:04:13 < crt> i think my salescuck put a sale on
2017-05-16T14:04:25 < crt> so a bucketload arrived today for repair
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2017-05-16T14:53:04 < karlp> ok, easyeda and multisim both giving the same results now.  great.
2017-05-16T14:55:07 < crt> fucking multisim lol
2017-05-16T14:55:18 < crt> that i havent heard on in 12 years
2017-05-16T14:56:58 < karlp> worked well, had a better gui than easyeda
2017-05-16T14:57:36 < karlp> though easyeda let me have multiple plot outputs open at once.  multisim was single output.  change something? replot and lose the last output
2017-05-16T14:57:38 < crt> yeah prolly
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2017-05-16T14:59:31 < crt> when i was at technical school multisim taught me how to circuit
2017-05-16T15:13:00  * crt offers karlp a stroopwafel
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2017-05-16T15:36:32 < crt> senpai
2017-05-16T15:36:44 < crt> http://picpaste.com/pics/20170516_141724-tkqwf7Mj.1494938123.jpg
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2017-05-16T16:03:59 < Steffanx> Pro multisim crt
2017-05-16T16:04:32 < jadew> what's senpai?
2017-05-16T16:05:42 < aandrew> we used the fancy isolated max232 and max485 15 years ago
2017-05-16T16:05:49 < aandrew> expensive as fuck
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2017-05-16T16:05:56 < aandrew> but we were in an industrial process
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2017-05-16T16:42:31 < englishman> LOL that video by upgrdmn
2017-05-16T16:42:35 < englishman> vancouver in a nutshell
2017-05-16T16:42:37 < karlp> aandrew: you used the ones with isolation built in? that's certainly a pricy option :)
2017-05-16T16:42:55 < englishman> rich asian driving a car worth 10 years' salary of any of the locals helping her, no license and likely no criminal charges
2017-05-16T16:43:07 < englishman> dead and suffering people and chaos strewn around
2017-05-16T16:43:38 < englishman> i wouldnt be surprised if the gas pedal was painted green and the brake pedal painted red
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2017-05-16T17:04:55 < sync> well a mustang is not really 10 years of salary
2017-05-16T17:30:04 < aandrew> karlp: yeah we had the big fat DIP package ones
2017-05-16T17:30:19 < aandrew> and they were fairly easy to blow with static, which is amusign given that they're meant for rugged environments
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2017-05-16T17:37:27 < Laurenceb_> https://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/61177287
2017-05-16T17:37:33 < Laurenceb_> wew that comment thread
2017-05-16T17:38:54 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8L6yOvWkAAKS59.jpg
2017-05-16T17:41:27 < Laurenceb_> MP and notorious comment thread troll
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2017-05-16T17:59:44 < karlp> hrm, new odroid c2 arrived.  emmc is meant to be ~125MB/s for both read and write.
2017-05-16T18:00:06 < karlp> get 50MB/s writes and 140MB/s reads.  even using the commands they say to use for the measurements
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2017-05-16T18:33:27 < branjb> why are there so many SJWs on reddit
2017-05-16T18:33:47 < Steffanx> Why read reddit?
2017-05-16T18:34:09 < branjb> clicked a thread about "the gender gap" in engineering, expected it to be a bunch of people saying it was a meme.  instead 100+ posts of SJWism
2017-05-16T18:34:26 < branjb> because i just woke up and am drinking my coffee and brain can't function to do anything else
2017-05-16T18:34:40 < Steffanx> Yay
2017-05-16T18:35:06 < branjb> I had an acquaintance casually say "oh, but I bet you got your co-ops because you were a girl."  This is the most detrimental thing you can hear as a woman in engineering.
2017-05-16T18:53:38 < BrainDamage> what's co-ops?
2017-05-16T18:54:29 < branjb> it's kinda vague but generally means you work full time for a semester in relevant field before returning back to school
2017-05-16T18:54:39 < aandrew> branjb: pisses me off. where I'm contracting right now we have a number of coops, both genders
2017-05-16T18:54:57 < aandrew> the girls tend to be a little more on the ball, probably because they have to fight so hard in general
2017-05-16T18:55:41 < aandrew> BrainDamage: a co-op is a college or university student who, as part of their curriculum, has a real-world work period
2017-05-16T18:55:55 < karlp> so an intern
2017-05-16T18:55:56 < aandrew> so the student gets hired by a company to do actual work to gain experience
2017-05-16T18:56:00 < aandrew> very similar to an intern yes
2017-05-16T18:56:01 < branjb> imo it has nothing to do with gender gap/muh patriarchy and is more that in STEM fields usually the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and usually men are more assertive and willing to rock the boat than women
2017-05-16T18:56:25 < BrainDamage> here you can do it while working on your thesis, but not as part of the normal studies
2017-05-16T18:56:27 < englishman> hey aandrew
2017-05-16T18:56:31 < englishman> im going to be in the t dot next month
2017-05-16T18:56:34 < aandrew> branjb: I think that's the exact same reason why the "wage gap" - women are far more likely to take what they are offered where men tend to negotiate
2017-05-16T18:56:36 < englishman> what to do on a monday morning
2017-05-16T18:56:37 < aandrew> over time that adds up
2017-05-16T18:56:46 < branjb> probably
2017-05-16T18:56:55 < branjb> it's more of a personality thing imo
2017-05-16T18:57:02 < englishman> im renting a tesla s
2017-05-16T18:57:09 < aandrew> englishman: nice. I'm not super familiar with toronto, and in general I'm pretty boring so I tend to sit at a coffee shop and drink while on irc
2017-05-16T18:57:19 < karlp> women I knew in stem also just said, "fuck this work environment, I'm doing something else"
2017-05-16T18:57:24 < aandrew> and I can do that in toronto or chibougamau
2017-05-16T18:57:30 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-16T18:57:48 < englishman> maybe il go by the university in my baller car
2017-05-16T18:57:52 < englishman> and yell whaddap
2017-05-16T18:58:00 < aandrew> heh in my previous life I was flying back from northern quebec. little prop plane
2017-05-16T18:58:15 < branjb> what kind of plane?
2017-05-16T18:58:20 < aandrew> some ancient man is helping us onboard and I jokingly ask if he's gonna be flying us... he was.
2017-05-16T18:58:24 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-16T18:58:24 < aandrew> dude was like 99 years old
2017-05-16T18:58:26 < englishman> those q400 are compact
2017-05-16T18:58:35 < aandrew> we landed in montreal in a snowstorm
2017-05-16T18:58:35 < englishman> oh northern quebec
2017-05-16T18:58:50 < aandrew> plane was coming in sideways and right at the last minute he straightened it out and we landed beautifully
2017-05-16T18:58:54 < branjb> oh you weren't flying it, it was just part of your travel plans
2017-05-16T18:58:57 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-16T18:58:59 < aandrew> dude might have been 99 but I bet he had 60 years of experience
2017-05-16T18:59:30 < aandrew> no I'm not a pilot
2017-05-16T18:59:36 < aandrew> my 8yo wants to be one
2017-05-16T18:59:40 < englishman> i should fly more
2017-05-16T18:59:50 < aandrew> and my 4yo son wants to be a princess. :-)
2017-05-16T19:00:14 < englishman> send him to vermont and he can get his license for $8k
2017-05-16T19:00:20 < aandrew> I like the little dash 8s and whatnot. this was smaller, it wasn't a dual turboprop, it was a single engine on the nose
2017-05-16T19:00:26 < branjb> i flew with an old crusty warrent officer once, had been flying kingairs for 40 years.. he was the co-pilot, the pilot in command was some fresh 24 year old LT.  the LT started skolding the warrent for not using checklists when landing, warrents response was he had been flying kingairs since before his mom was conceived
2017-05-16T19:00:26 < branjb> lol
2017-05-16T19:00:50 < BrainDamage> damn for 8k I'd do it without a tought, here a license is about 20k€ between all the flight hours
2017-05-16T19:00:59 < englishman> yeah yurop is spendy
2017-05-16T19:01:06 < englishman> asia is cheaper still
2017-05-16T19:01:15 < aandrew> oh if he's going to be a pilot I'll do everything I can to help him into embry-riddle
2017-05-16T19:01:20 < englishman> heh
2017-05-16T19:01:28 < branjb> did you go to embry-riddle?
2017-05-16T19:01:39 < aandrew> I'm not a pilot
2017-05-16T19:01:44 < aandrew> I'm a contract engineer
2017-05-16T19:01:50 < aandrew> I just travel a lot at times
2017-05-16T19:01:52 < branjb> my wife went there, she's not a pilot either
2017-05-16T19:01:55 < Laurenceb_> somewhere there is actual sexism: construction
2017-05-16T19:02:14 < englishman> Laurenceb_: was this you http://i.imgur.com/SBE968u.jpg
2017-05-16T19:02:16 < Laurenceb_> for some reason we don't hear about that from SJWs
2017-05-16T19:03:01 < Laurenceb_> looks like my house
2017-05-16T19:04:33 < Laurenceb_> each time my mum walks into a supplier she gets shit
2017-05-16T19:04:44 < Laurenceb_> works as civ eng manager
2017-05-16T19:05:02 < Laurenceb_> but no shit from actual engineers ever
2017-05-16T19:05:04 < branjb> heh most of the women in engineering at my school are civ eng students
2017-05-16T19:05:32 < Laurenceb_> lul maybe thats why they complain
2017-05-16T19:05:55 < Laurenceb_> they get shit from supplier sales reps and other similar aholes
2017-05-16T19:07:04 < Laurenceb_> BMW driving double glazing sales++
2017-05-16T19:07:15 < Laurenceb_> or "aluminum siding" for usians
2017-05-16T19:08:11 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/0UFPWgk
2017-05-16T19:08:34 < englishman> also for Laurenceb_ http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/grabher-takes-legal-action-to-reinstate-name-on-personalized-licence-plate-1.3413803
2017-05-16T19:08:42 < Laurenceb_> I want a desk thats randomly in the middle of a field
2017-05-16T19:11:15 < BrainDamage> I have a friend in usa that has a license plate with an italian sentence that can be either translated as "stop annoying me" and "what a pussy", so far he said he only got laughs from people who understood it
2017-05-16T19:11:27 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/29eBXoe
2017-05-16T19:12:31 < karlp> hrm, oroid 16 and 32gig emmc modules have _markedly_ difference write performance.
2017-05-16T19:12:49 < karlp> http://odroid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:emmc_reference_chart#emmc_read_write_test_on_odroid-c2_hs400_mode
2017-05-16T19:13:33 < BrainDamage> I have them, but I've only used the sd cads
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2017-05-16T19:29:23 < Steffanx> Oh noes ##sjw32 ?!
2017-05-16T19:30:10 < kakimir> shii my new k702 set fails
2017-05-16T19:30:30 < Steffanx> What is a k702
2017-05-16T19:30:34 < kakimir> akg
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2017-05-16T19:30:57 < Steffanx> Oh headphones
2017-05-16T19:31:04 < kakimir> I twist them and channel comes back
2017-05-16T19:31:17 < kakimir> k701 took absolute abuse for years
2017-05-16T19:31:30 < kakimir> and still working
2017-05-16T19:32:02 < kakimir> I just fuckked the cable and hacked minixlr to it myself
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2017-05-16T19:34:05 < kakimir> I wonder if I bother even to send these in
2017-05-16T19:34:20 < kakimir> as I have soldering iron 0.5meters from me
2017-05-16T19:37:37 < kakimir> wires inside are just ridiculously wimpy
2017-05-16T19:39:57 < aandrew> hm, the U807B uses an STM32F031K4
2017-05-16T19:40:11 < aandrew> anyone have a schematic or dump of a U804 quad?
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2017-05-16T19:51:25 < branjb> wife said this wasn't funny: http://imgur.com/a/x56kt
2017-05-16T20:01:33 < kakimir> what is highest shrinkage ratio you have seen in adhesive shrink tubes?
2017-05-16T20:01:39 < kakimir> *the highest
2017-05-16T20:03:21 < Laurenceb_> about 3
2017-05-16T20:06:36 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-16T20:08:24 < kakimir> when I get good shrink tubes Im suprised every time how much it shrinks
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2017-05-16T20:29:15 < Laurenceb_>  > "shrink tube"
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2017-05-16T20:42:48 < englishman> so this is where dongs has been https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7budyKtnTXFPO4lq/giphy.gif
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2017-05-16T20:48:46 < karlp> kakimir: 6:1 https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-raychem-cable-protection/HRHT-1-3/A105288-ND/3454373
2017-05-16T20:48:54 < karlp> digikey has a bunch of 5 and 5.6:1 too
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2017-05-16T21:05:05 < Steffanx> do they eat cat in japan?
2017-05-16T21:08:12 < kakimir> probs not
2017-05-16T21:16:18 < englishman> hey Steffanx
2017-05-16T21:16:19 < englishman> did you know
2017-05-16T21:16:27 < englishman> after ww2 your people sent us some tulips
2017-05-16T21:16:29 < englishman> about 100k
2017-05-16T21:16:36 < englishman> they were planted in the capitol and are still there
2017-05-16T21:16:44 < branjb> Steffanx is japanese?
2017-05-16T21:17:58 < englishman> the tulip festival is this weekend, 3 million tulips were imported from Steffanxland for it
2017-05-16T21:27:38 < Steffanx> Better import stroopwafels and eat those.
2017-05-16T21:28:27 < Steffanx> They ate tulip bulbs during the ww2. im told they were awful.
2017-05-16T21:28:38 < Steffanx> No, im from the 2nd best country in the world branjb
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2017-05-16T21:35:22 < Steffanx> You know what you got us after you freed us englishman?
2017-05-16T21:35:52 < englishman> a bunch of illegitimate children that say eh a bunch?
2017-05-16T21:35:55 < qyx> more ax-ing
2017-05-16T21:36:06 < Steffanx> hah, you know exactly what i was referring to D:
2017-05-16T21:36:07 < qyx> I had my Ax on a spectrum analyzer
2017-05-16T21:36:27 < qyx> and its gmsk looks a bit different
2017-05-16T21:36:43 < englishman> actually i dont, steffan
2017-05-16T21:36:56 < Steffanx> but you said the right thing.
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2017-05-16T21:38:33 < englishman> about to order those lora modules from digikey
2017-05-16T21:38:55 < Steffanx> Those?
2017-05-16T21:39:26 < englishman> going to delete axsem from my life
2017-05-16T21:39:35 < qyx> I would not expect less problems
2017-05-16T21:39:41 < qyx> rfm69 was pain too
2017-05-16T21:39:43 < branjb> which ones englishman
2017-05-16T21:39:44 < qyx> and it still is
2017-05-16T21:39:51 < englishman> rfm96
2017-05-16T21:40:10 < englishman> which one is rfm69, non-lora semtech?
2017-05-16T21:40:11 < branjb> i used rfm95, got ~1.5 mile range in tests
2017-05-16T21:40:15 < englishman> nice
2017-05-16T21:40:39 < englishman> hmm yeah XE series
2017-05-16T21:40:49 < branjb> depending on the weather, humidity, alignment of stars, and black magic occasionally one of my packets gets picked up like 5 miles away
2017-05-16T21:41:15 < englishman> at 20dbm? omni antennas?
2017-05-16T21:41:24 < qyx> englishman: yep
2017-05-16T21:41:34 < englishman> yeah i tried those too
2017-05-16T21:41:38 < qyx> I got 1km with rfm69, 0dBm out, 100kbps, golay fec
2017-05-16T21:41:42 < branjb> 20 dbm, omni antennas, rssi of 140
2017-05-16T21:41:42 < englishman> nice
2017-05-16T21:41:56 < englishman> yes rfm96 will be awesome \o/
2017-05-16T21:42:04 < englishman> down with psk /o\
2017-05-16T21:42:10 < qyx> too much chirps
2017-05-16T21:42:12 < englishman> send laurence away! /o/
2017-05-16T21:42:15 < qyx> so bad
2017-05-16T21:42:15 < branjb> isn't lora and psk basically the same thing?
2017-05-16T21:42:21 < qyx> no
2017-05-16T21:42:24 < englishman> no
2017-05-16T21:42:27 < qyx> lora is chirp spread spectrum
2017-05-16T21:42:27 < branjb> fsk?
2017-05-16T21:42:30 < branjb> ah
2017-05-16T21:42:36 < englishman> bran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoquBA7IMNc
2017-05-16T21:43:03 < englishman> oh
2017-05-16T21:43:06 < englishman> looks like its not even semtech
2017-05-16T21:43:16 < englishman> its ANOTHER swiss company (like AXSEM) that semtech purchased
2017-05-16T21:43:24 < englishman> XEMICS
2017-05-16T21:43:26 < englishman> so of course it sucks
2017-05-16T21:43:40 < englishman> probably just down the hall from AXSEM
2017-05-16T21:43:46 < Steffanx> Swiss army knife that fails?
2017-05-16T21:44:30 < englishman> $59 million to buy XEMICS
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2017-05-16T21:44:46 < Steffanx> We should do a kickstartef
2017-05-16T21:45:10 < qyx> I still hope that the axthing will work
2017-05-16T21:45:15 < englishman> company was only 5 years old
2017-05-16T21:45:16 < englishman> not bad
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2017-05-16T21:58:27 < Steffanx> Rfm96 is just one of those rebranded ics by hoperf?
2017-05-16T21:58:40 < qyx> yes
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2017-05-16T21:59:18 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-16T21:59:32 < englishman> pretty sure its sx1276 but won't know until i can read out chip id
2017-05-16T21:59:43 < englishman> not sure how tx/rx switch is done either. and the tarduino code doesn't make sense
2017-05-16T21:59:50 < englishman> so will have to check that out
2017-05-16T22:00:01 < englishman> but if those are the biggest problems - still over9000x better than AXSEM
2017-05-16T22:01:20 < qyx> you are just not patient enough
2017-05-16T22:02:28 < tpw_rules> ah finally coming over to the light side englishman
2017-05-16T22:02:33 < englishman> time is an asset not a luxury
2017-05-16T22:05:15 < englishman> cool, fidget spinner unicode ߷
2017-05-16T22:06:03 < tpw_rules> this is my fidgeter: 𓂸
2017-05-16T22:06:46 < Blok_> I want to have a USB DFU on a STM32F103. The DFU seems to work fine, but when it jumps to my program located at 0x8005000 it stalls when trying to run USB_Init which in a Virtual COM example. I am doing something obviously wrong. The COM example by itself located at 0x800000 runs great, but not when located after the DFU at 0x8005000. Any ideas? I have the new address set in the linker script and do NVIC_SetVectorTable at the beginning of main.
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2017-05-16T22:28:02 < Steffanx> englishman, digikey doesnt even sell bare modules? Only adafruit and some other module thingy?
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2017-05-16T23:32:05 < englishman> Steffanx: they're sold under the seeeeeeed brand
2017-05-16T23:32:19 < Steffanx> Better ebay em
2017-05-16T23:36:41 < englishman> I'd like to get them this year.
2017-05-16T23:37:09 < englishman> So you're saying you have some canuck in you Steffanx. That explains the sense of humour.
2017-05-16T23:37:39 < Steffanx> No, i believe my family does not have canuck in it.
2017-05-16T23:38:02 < Steffanx> My sense of humor was formed in ##stm32
2017-05-16T23:38:48 < englishman> At the time, Newfies weren't yet Canadian. So it could be them.
2017-05-16T23:41:23 < Steffanx> oh, Yeah. I forgot how slow beaverpost is.
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2017-05-17T00:28:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/MuckRock/status/864588857777545218 this bird
2017-05-17T00:29:10 < ohsix> i think i just fell for reposting a story due to inconsqeuential gif
2017-05-17T00:41:26 < englishman> http://www.nanopi.org/NanoPi-NEO-air_Feature.html
2017-05-17T00:41:47 < englishman> zyp ^
2017-05-17T00:43:12 < zyp> new thing?
2017-05-17T00:43:19 < englishman> yessir
2017-05-17T00:43:33 < zyp> looks similar to opi zero 2plus
2017-05-17T00:44:16 < zyp> no hdmi is the only difference I see at a glance
2017-05-17T00:45:32 < englishman> onboard flash
2017-05-17T00:45:39 < englishman> and h3
2017-05-17T00:45:41 < englishman> but yeah
2017-05-17T00:45:41 < zyp> zero 2plus also has that
2017-05-17T00:45:48 < englishman> zero 2 plus -_-
2017-05-17T00:46:21 < zyp> shame about no wired enet though
2017-05-17T00:46:42 < englishman> ooh H5 too
2017-05-17T00:46:46 < zyp> yes
2017-05-17T00:47:17 < englishman> looks the same then
2017-05-17T00:47:33 < zyp> by the way, I left my opi zero idle for a while and when I checked on it it reported 71 degrees on cpu
2017-05-17T00:47:36 < zyp> is that normal?
2017-05-17T00:47:45 < englishman> heh
2017-05-17T00:47:50 < englishman> probably
2017-05-17T00:48:00 < zyp> I got it with the enclosure and it has no heatsink either
2017-05-17T00:48:02 < zyp> but idle
2017-05-17T00:48:49 < englishman> i havent plugged mine in yet
2017-05-17T00:49:00 < invzim> man, searching ali for enclosures sucks
2017-05-17T00:52:40 < zyp> buy a 3d-printer, make your own
2017-05-17T00:53:01 < zyp> at least that's one of the things I imagine using my new one for once I finish it
2017-05-17T00:53:09 < invzim> planning on small batch
2017-05-17T00:53:11 < invzim> for sell
2017-05-17T00:53:25 < zyp> batch of what?
2017-05-17T00:53:33 < invzim> my rgb upscaler thingie
2017-05-17T00:54:08 < zyp> isn't small batches what 3d-printers are perfect for?
2017-05-17T00:54:16 < zyp> i.e. too small for injection molding to make sense
2017-05-17T00:54:24 < invzim> found a nice box, but only one manufacturer of that size it seems, and slot thickness for pcb is 1.4mm..
2017-05-17T00:54:41 < invzim> planning between 50 and 100
2017-05-17T00:55:29 < englishman> hammond box
2017-05-17T00:55:32 < englishman> and, done
2017-05-17T00:55:34 < englishman> <3 hammond
2017-05-17T00:55:54 < englishman> i even had an irc bro CNC me some nice custom endplates, before i got a cnc
2017-05-17T00:56:36 < invzim> mikeslectricstuff (youtube) had a nice trick about using pcb's for endplates :)
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2017-05-17T01:04:43 < mtbg> 4 cores on such small board?
2017-05-17T01:05:52 < zyp> why does the board size matter? the cores are in the chip anyway
2017-05-17T01:06:38 < mtbg> I don't know
2017-05-17T01:06:54 < mtbg> there were some texas soc based modules this size
2017-05-17T01:07:22 < mtbg> and they were of much less computational performance
2017-05-17T01:08:06 < mtbg> but then pcbs in modern smart phones aren't larger than this board
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2017-05-17T01:12:33 < Steffanx> Good morning Tay Lang
2017-05-17T01:13:35 < crt> Thank
2017-05-17T01:13:50 < crt> Where is dongcat
2017-05-17T01:14:28 < Steffanx> Idk
2017-05-17T01:15:25 < crt> Shame
2017-05-17T01:30:02 < englishman> enjoying the breeze
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2017-05-17T02:23:51 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
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2017-05-17T03:33:13 < crt> pretty weird, cut.
2017-05-17T03:35:41 < crt> https://youtu.be/QK1VLrsoAzs?t=12m28s
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2017-05-17T05:47:40 < dongs> where's all the RS485 nigs, who used USART_DE mode to automatically toggle re/de
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2017-05-17T06:50:30 < crt> hmm
2017-05-17T06:50:36 < crt> nothing much r2
2017-05-17T06:56:03 < ohsix> https://ibmtjbot.github.io/ heh they have some robot thing to get you to play with some of their services
2017-05-17T06:56:19 < ohsix> and having read about it i know shit nothing about what they actually are
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2017-05-17T08:29:09 < ohsix> https://magenta.tensorflow.org/nsynth
2017-05-17T08:30:15 < ohsix> flyback: yes
2017-05-17T08:30:33 < ohsix> also there's a battery life calculator in cubemx
2017-05-17T08:30:50 < ohsix> you can set duty cycle and pick peripherals, pick operating conditions and estimate lifetime
2017-05-17T08:31:07 < englishman> flyback: what's a "usb battery" ?
2017-05-17T08:41:17 < englishman> but those come in like 22Ah packs
2017-05-17T08:41:44 < englishman> im sure you can run a stm32 for several hundred years on that. if it's in sleep mode most of the time and you ignore self-discharge effects
2017-05-17T08:44:32 < upgrdman> lol  https://twitter.com/CMichaelGibson/status/863905233939943428
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2017-05-17T08:58:15 < ohsix> .
2017-05-17T08:58:36 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JqygvRhVU0 the energy, jua de vivre!
2017-05-17T08:59:34 < ohsix> f that link, https://youtu.be/-JqygvRhVU0?t=96 he's at least showing the thing off at this timestamp
2017-05-17T09:00:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: +1
2017-05-17T09:00:17 < ohsix> nice thread too
2017-05-17T09:01:05 < upgrdman> ya i also like the Doge vs Marshmallow
2017-05-17T09:01:51 < ohsix> englishman: hurr i did more re on that arduino radar and found out where all the pinz go and stuff
2017-05-17T09:02:18 < ohsix> the battery goes through an ldo to keep the micro alive and the mcu toggles the enable on another one for the led display/radar/opamp stuff
2017-05-17T09:02:26 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/2GopSmG.gifv
2017-05-17T09:03:09 < ohsix> wtf is with this australian guy
2017-05-17T09:03:30 < ohsix> he's got ok audio and a decent camera and stuff already but he gives less than no shits
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2017-05-17T09:04:08 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/mTZutYlfQrk?t=194
2017-05-17T09:04:48 < ohsix> the least charismatic australian
2017-05-17T09:05:24 < ohsix> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:170076
2017-05-17T09:06:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: burnout then noticing the police? nice
2017-05-17T09:06:44 < ohsix> did you see the turkish dudes beating people up in dc
2017-05-17T09:07:05 < ReadError> why
2017-05-17T09:07:49 < ohsix> ReadError: they're erdogan stooges
2017-05-17T09:07:54 < ohsix> they rushed some protestors
2017-05-17T09:08:39 < ReadError> they get beat up by the police after>
2017-05-17T09:09:03 < ohsix> nah, police did some shit but you can't touch those dudes
2017-05-17T09:09:15 < ohsix> it's foul af to have that shit going on
2017-05-17T09:09:36 < ohsix> they kicked one dude in the face, then another guy did it as they walked by
2017-05-17T09:12:01 < ohsix> heh
2017-05-17T09:12:09 < ohsix> intel graphics changed their official logo to the utah teapot
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2017-05-17T09:37:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, pic of new logo?
2017-05-17T09:40:26 < ohsix> https://01.org/linuxgraphics/blogs/ajmathes/2017/meet-new-intel-linux-gaphics-mark-teapot
2017-05-17T09:40:40 < ohsix> kind of an aggressive move for intel lul
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2017-05-17T09:43:09 < upgrdman> oh that
2017-05-17T09:43:10 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-17T09:52:56 < dongs> a u  t   i    s     m
2017-05-17T09:54:33 < Steffanx> Something you are familiar with.
2017-05-17T09:54:52 < Steffanx> Welcome back to the gang dongs
2017-05-17T09:56:47 < Steffanx> They missed you.
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2017-05-17T10:03:48 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BUK6BQnBNuK/
2017-05-17T10:05:17 < Steffanx> Ion cannon ready!
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2017-05-17T11:24:28 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/bhsrLCm.jpg
2017-05-17T11:24:46 < upgrdman> i must be tired AF 'cause that seems funny
2017-05-17T11:24:48 < upgrdman> but its not really
2017-05-17T11:27:08 < Steffanx> Its still way above Lil Blaxter level funny upgrdman :)
2017-05-17T11:27:19 < upgrdman> whos dat
2017-05-17T11:28:42 < Steffanx> L. B_.
2017-05-17T11:30:31 < upgrdman> ah
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2017-05-17T12:31:40 < jadew> man... the wikipedia donation thingi gets bigger every year
2017-05-17T12:32:06 < jadew> for a moment there I thought it's part of the article I was interested in
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2017-05-17T12:47:02 < jpa-> hmm doesn't show it for me - i wonder if finnish police has been too rough with them
2017-05-17T12:51:44 < dongs> not getting it either
2017-05-17T12:52:01 < Steffanx> Not herd either
2017-05-17T12:52:06 < Steffanx> Here
2017-05-17T12:52:28 < Steffanx> Weird. They think there is money in Romania?!
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2017-05-17T12:54:49 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis no donation mesasge here
2017-05-17T12:54:56 < dongs> but lots of wikipedians displaying their junk
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2017-05-17T15:56:07 < aandrew> how did you manage to search for penis on wikipedia
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2017-05-17T15:56:25 < crt> welcome andrew
2017-05-17T15:57:44 < aandrew> werd
2017-05-17T15:58:47 < crt> nice
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2017-05-17T15:58:54 < crt> bite
2017-05-17T15:59:48 < Steffanx> aandrew, r2com and dongs share dick/dongs/penis links on a daily basis
2017-05-17T16:01:43 < Steffanx> Oops that makes it look weird. I meant aandrew: r2com ..
2017-05-17T16:02:20 < crt> pretty weird,
2017-05-17T16:02:21 < crt> cut.
2017-05-17T16:02:21 < aandrew> hahaha
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2017-05-17T16:29:55 < Thorn> what is EXP on a usb micro-AB connector?
2017-05-17T16:30:41 < Thorn> and why does it have 4 0.1uF caps and a bead (all in parallel!) to ground
2017-05-17T16:31:07 < Thorn> UM1907 schematics sheet 10
2017-05-17T16:34:31 < englishman> EXP = exposed pad?
2017-05-17T16:34:35 < englishman> http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/475900001_sd.pdf
2017-05-17T16:34:50 < englishman> maybe 1 cap per pin leg and ferrite on the ground pin.
2017-05-17T16:35:41 < englishman> wow, impedance matching on a discoboard
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2017-05-17T16:54:27 < karlp> stupid subohm resistors. soldering quality has too much impact.
2017-05-17T17:03:59 < karlp> dongs: never actually tried the usart_de pin modes on the newer parts for rs485, I'm still on old L1.
2017-05-17T17:05:23 < jpa-> if using for shunts, wouldn't using split pads for the pattern fix most of the inaccuracy?
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2017-05-17T17:09:38 < karlp> split pads?
2017-05-17T17:10:11 < karlp> I'm sure it works fine for real world, but it's fucking me up trying to bodge on some 1206 parts that have the values I want onto the 0805 pads I have.
2017-05-17T17:13:10 < jpa-> ah :)
2017-05-17T17:14:27 < jpa-> (http://www.analog.com/en/analog-dialogue/articles/optimize-high-current-sensing-accuracy.html   <-- split pads)
2017-05-17T17:16:38 < karlp> hrm, neat, but I think out of scope.
2017-05-17T17:16:55 < karlp> I'm trying to get 0.8ohsm, not nearly as low as they're talking about.
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2017-05-17T17:17:23 < karlp> and I certainly don't hve the space to put 4 terminals on anyway I don't believe.
2017-05-17T17:21:31 < karlp> really interesting though.
2017-05-17T17:22:55 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39947017
2017-05-17T17:22:57 < Laurenceb_> Tinder, not even once
2017-05-17T17:23:21 < Laurenceb_> wtf, apparently this was the victim http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/01/27/oxford-student-cleared-sexual-assault-allegation-centre-police/
2017-05-17T17:23:44 < Laurenceb_> how did such a dork get involved in crazy shit
2017-05-17T17:24:40 < Laurenceb_>  his father is an ordained Anglican priest
2017-05-17T17:24:43 < Laurenceb_> OH
2017-05-17T17:33:51 < dongs> karlp: yeah. it worked. i was just doing dumb shit and had separate RE that I forgot to deal with. and shit was getting killed by receive IRQ storm
2017-05-17T17:33:56 < dongs> from my transmissions
2017-05-17T17:34:21 < dongs> zyp, where is your SDL shit that brings up a drawable LCD emulator thingy
2017-05-17T17:34:38 < dongs> probly somewhere on jvnv but im lazy to look for it
2017-05-17T17:34:58 < dongs> tho i think that trash was pyfuck
2017-05-17T17:35:19 < aandrew> anyone got a footprint for a disco board's dual-row headers? I guess I could just man up and make my own
2017-05-17T17:35:38 < dongs> aandrew: they havee altidumb board files for some of them. it is 2.54mm pitch all around
2017-05-17T17:35:42 < dongs> so you can stick into breadboard.
2017-05-17T17:35:53 < dongs> so just throw 2 .1" headers at correct spacing and youre done
2017-05-17T17:36:09 < aandrew> right right
2017-05-17T17:37:18 < dongs> fuck,e, sdl site is beyond worthless for basic shit
2017-05-17T17:37:24 < dongs> lol @ them all compiling that shit with fucking MINGW
2017-05-17T17:37:33 < dongs> all i wanna do is bring up window and draw crap
2017-05-17T17:37:46 < dongs> Important Note: I use #include <SDL.h> below (and in all other tutorials), when it really should be #include <SDL/SDL.h>. I moved all of my header files up a directory. So, if you want to follow my code exactly, move all your header files up a directory so they are in the include folder, not the SDL folder. Otherwise, use #include instead. Sorry for all the confusion this has caused.
2017-05-17T17:37:52 < dongs> waht
2017-05-17T17:37:55 < dongs> why the FUCK WOUDL YOU DO THAT
2017-05-17T17:37:57 < dongs> oh, right
2017-05-17T17:38:02 < dongs> because your FUCKING IDE (non-existent mingw gcc faggotry) has no way to speceiy include dirs
2017-05-17T17:38:14 < dongs> vi.exe FAGGOT.CPP
2017-05-17T17:38:57 < aandrew> jpa-: nice article on sense resistor
2017-05-17T17:39:59 < karlp> bit complicated making the footprints with the triple pads they really like though.
2017-05-17T17:40:25 < PeterM> karlp not really
2017-05-17T17:40:38 < PeterM> i mean you already make a foodprint for kelvin pads
2017-05-17T17:40:52 < PeterM> so whats sso hard about making the footprint slightly differnet
2017-05-17T17:41:12 < karlp> I mean at smalelr sizes.
2017-05-17T17:41:26 < karlp> and 4 pads is one thing, the ideal footprint in that article was 6 pads.
2017-05-17T17:41:34 < karlp> sense pads pulled off the middle
2017-05-17T17:42:16 < PeterM> D is the bestadn d is 4 pads?
2017-05-17T17:47:44 < aandrew> nah the triple footprint isn't bad, but finding resistors to match might be challenging
2017-05-17T17:48:05 < PeterM> dont you just make the center pad, pour the other pad around it and then paste it rotated 180
2017-05-17T17:48:21 < aandrew> PeterM: yep
2017-05-17T17:48:42 < PeterM> aandrew it id suitable for all resistors aside fro mthe specifical kelvin resistors
2017-05-17T17:50:06 < PeterM> it would be suitable for all resistors aside from the specific kelvin resistors, because the kelvin sense is at the front most part of the resistor, you dont have to worry about how much of the reisistor is plated lead
2017-05-17T17:50:30 < PeterM> and it measures the voltage before any drop in the plated lead also
2017-05-17T17:50:34 < aandrew> PeterM: exactly; you have to use regualr 2 terminal resistors
2017-05-17T17:51:11 < PeterM> aandrew yes
2017-05-17T17:51:47 < PeterM> i assumed if you were using 4 terminal resistors you'd use the appropriate footprint for that package...
2017-05-17T17:51:58 < PeterM> aparrently that is a poor assumption
2017-05-17T17:55:08 < aandrew> no, what I'm saying is that the footprint's not hard to make, but you're limited to 2 terminal sense resistors
2017-05-17T17:55:35 < aandrew> if you're using 4 terminal resistors then you can't use that footprint, and in fact it seems that 4 terminal resistors have poor accuracy
2017-05-17T17:55:40 < PeterM> surely you use the right component for the job, and the nthe right footprint for the component though
2017-05-17T17:58:28 < PeterM> also, yes, 4 terminal resistors are generally less accurate, but they are designed for much higher currents which makes the 4 terminalness essential rather then optional
2017-05-17T17:59:40 < k\o\w> I have this board: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/282158436270 it appears to be a clone of http://www.waveshare.com/Core407V.htm   the board has a USB port, does anyone know if this board can be programmed via USB, or do I also need an stlink?
2017-05-17T17:59:53 < dongs> you need stlink
2017-05-17T18:00:10 < dongs> unless tehy somehow managed to get pullup resistor into the USB shit correctly
2017-05-17T18:00:16 < dongs> and you can try to short boot0 and make it boot in DFU mode.
2017-05-17T18:00:27 < dongs> but anyway, "debugging" requires stlink so might as well use one
2017-05-17T18:02:02 < k\o\w> cool thx dongs
2017-05-17T18:02:26 < dongs> see that 20pin connector on there? get a clone jlink or something that goes into that and make use of it
2017-05-17T18:03:06 < k\o\w> I have an stlink somewhere from flashing my cheerson cx10s
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2017-05-17T18:21:15 < k\o\w> dongs, pulling boot0 high made it boot into DFU
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2017-05-17T18:27:49 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4510778/Student-stabbed-lover-spared-jail.html
2017-05-17T18:27:56 < Laurenceb_> fap fap fap .... stab
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2017-05-17T18:50:45 < karlp> k\o\w: what were you flashing on cx10s?
2017-05-17T18:51:43 < karlp> footprint D was 6 pads peterm
2017-05-17T18:54:08 < dongs> karlp: there is/was some opensores acrobatic firmware
2017-05-17T18:54:25 < dongs> but iirc it only w orked on some old boards with nrf24 or whatever clones for radio
2017-05-17T18:54:28 < dongs> and not on all the shit
2017-05-17T18:55:48 < englishman> yeah they changed the radio to some china one
2017-05-17T18:56:03 < englishman> but whats the point these days, even chink $10 copters come with betaflight
2017-05-17T18:56:19 < dongs> cloning intensifies
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2017-05-17T18:58:46 < englishman> dongs, how do you deal with the mind numbing repetitiveness of smt assembly
2017-05-17T18:59:03 < englishman> now that my shit is somewhat set up straight and non stressful
2017-05-17T18:59:07 < englishman> its boring as fuck
2017-05-17T18:59:36 < dongs> .. duh
2017-05-17T18:59:48 < dongs> why do you think i irc
2017-05-17T18:59:51 < dongs> while its dicknplacing
2017-05-17T19:01:24 < dongs> time to take a dump and crawl into bed. one more day of dickstarting then i can get back to 1st world
2017-05-17T19:01:45 < englishman> here's a fresh cat video to end your day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93lJlVew5Eo
2017-05-17T19:02:23 < dongs> holy balls WHAT IS THAT RETARDED WATCH
2017-05-17T19:02:32 < dongs> is taht like some assdroid runnin NEPTUNE PINE
2017-05-17T19:02:39 < dongs> bigger than xbox one
2017-05-17T19:03:10 < englishman> stm32 inside
2017-05-17T19:03:14 < englishman> some canadian invention
2017-05-17T19:03:16 < dongs> so dickpebble?
2017-05-17T19:03:31 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-17T19:04:06 < dongs> I have seen someone i know wear apple watch and all i wanted to do was stab
2017-05-17T19:04:07 < dongs> k bed
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2017-05-17T19:17:32 < qyx> fuck those rp-sma connectors
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2017-05-17T19:24:01 < Laurenceb_> qyx is making axsemi shit?
2017-05-17T19:25:01 < englishman> retarded polarization-sma amirite
2017-05-17T19:25:18 < englishman> he's trying
2017-05-17T19:25:59 < Laurenceb_> I should make openfox already
2017-05-17T19:26:15 < Laurenceb_> court case with sigfox would be fun
2017-05-17T19:26:31 < Laurenceb_> tiem to annihilate their stupid patent
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2017-05-17T19:27:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOcRl2Q1T4 guess how much Laurenceb_
2017-05-17T19:28:28 < qyx> tx working almost flawlessly
2017-05-17T19:29:00 < qyx> "almost" = I cannot demodulate i
2017-05-17T19:29:40 < englishman> gluck with that
2017-05-17T19:29:44 < englishman> had no problems txing
2017-05-17T19:29:47 < englishman> signal looked good
2017-05-17T19:31:04 < englishman> wow digikey is fucked up
2017-05-17T19:31:23 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: v nice
2017-05-17T19:31:40 < englishman> its serving this as the product image for some capacitor https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0174/1800/files/how_to_assemble_the_rpi_touchscreen_display.jpg
2017-05-17T19:31:52 < Laurenceb_> qyx: yeah thats usually the case with this stuff
2017-05-17T19:32:19 < Laurenceb_> did you check the tx signal using SDR and matlab/octave/whatever?
2017-05-17T19:32:23 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: something like 80k in usd the basic model
2017-05-17T19:32:30 < Laurenceb_> wtf whyyy
2017-05-17T19:32:38 < englishman> ooh wow
2017-05-17T19:32:42 < englishman> everything is wrong
2017-05-17T19:32:50 < kakimir> that is price of full blown sailplane - new
2017-05-17T19:33:04 < qyx> Laurenceb_: do you have any grc ready for gmsk demod?
2017-05-17T19:33:15 < qyx> oh
2017-05-17T19:33:27 < qyx> I read gnuradio
2017-05-17T19:33:45 < Laurenceb_> or that lol
2017-05-17T19:33:46 < englishman> i think digikey is unsafe to use
2017-05-17T19:33:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah gnuradio is def the easy route
2017-05-17T19:34:42 < Laurenceb_> I just use methlab for everything
2017-05-17T19:34:59 < jaakkos> digikey blew up immediately after I asked livechat to make some changes to my submitted order :D
2017-05-17T19:35:09 < englishman> www.digikey.ca didn’t send any data.
2017-05-17T19:35:09 < englishman> ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE
2017-05-17T19:35:11 < englishman> well
2017-05-17T19:35:12 < jaakkos> hopefully has nothing to do with it
2017-05-17T19:35:15 < englishman> looks like i have to use ARROW today
2017-05-17T19:35:19 < jaakkos> first the product pictures were all wrong
2017-05-17T19:35:29 < englishman> lol jaak
2017-05-17T19:36:52 < jaakkos> actually it seems fixed for me now
2017-05-17T19:37:57 < englishman> ordering from ARROW is a great way to ensure your project gets delayed
2017-05-17T19:44:31 < aandrew> hah
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2017-05-17T19:59:24 < qyx> acually the rfm69 demodulates the signal without any problems
2017-05-17T19:59:41 < qyx> but it seems that the bit order is LSB fist
2017-05-17T19:59:42 < qyx> wtf
2017-05-17T20:03:46 < k\o\w> karlp, https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2278850-BradWii-revolution-%21%21-%28for-toy-quadcopters%29
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2017-05-17T20:08:46 < englishman> qyx: yeah it changes multiple times in the packet
2017-05-17T20:09:11 < qyx> I see
2017-05-17T20:09:25 < qyx> pattern detector has its own msb/lsb first switch
2017-05-17T20:09:31 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-17T20:09:38 < englishman> just 2fsk?
2017-05-17T20:09:43 < qyx> gmsk
2017-05-17T20:09:47 < englishman> ah
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2017-05-17T20:27:15 < kakimir> is there a way in ebay to search what you have bought
2017-05-17T20:27:26 < kakimir> when you search stuff
2017-05-17T20:29:56 < qyx> my ebay-> purchase history
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2017-05-17T20:31:16 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-17T20:31:31 < kakimir> but if I have bought something earlier than 3months ago
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2017-05-17T20:41:25 < englishman> sure enough ARROW causing delays already
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2017-05-17T21:02:58 < Steffanx> browser every page and do ctrl+f kakimir? :P
2017-05-17T21:03:07 < Steffanx> your order pages that is
2017-05-17T21:03:26 < Steffanx> or search your email
2017-05-17T21:03:38 < Steffanx> for paypal payments
2017-05-17T21:04:28 < Streake_> surely there is a order history page
2017-05-17T21:06:32 < Steffanx> there is, but you cannot do a search it it afaik.
2017-05-17T21:07:03 < BrainDamage> kakimir: I can see up to 1 year
2017-05-17T21:07:09 < BrainDamage> just change the time range
2017-05-17T21:07:10 < k\o\w> ty for ur help dongs https://goo.gl/photos/8vpxpTpA8JozsnVM6
2017-05-17T21:07:22 < Steffanx> I can see back to 2015..
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2017-05-17T21:28:29 < qyx> ax->rfm works \o/
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2017-05-17T21:30:23 < englishman> lol
2017-05-17T21:30:27 < englishman> why not just rfm-rfm
2017-05-17T21:31:36 < qyx> because I already have a rfm69 receiver
2017-05-17T21:31:55 < qyx> ax board with usb and gprs is not here yet
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2017-05-17T22:15:05 < zyp> dongs, no, C++
2017-05-17T22:18:11 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Tz4ga
2017-05-17T22:18:24 < zyp> base class, real display implementation, SDL implementation
2017-05-17T22:44:55 < Steffanx> Damnit, designed some pcb, with some part that was well in stock, now it has a f-ing lead time of 18 weeks.
2017-05-17T22:45:43 < englishman> nice
2017-05-17T22:45:51 < englishman> same reason i had to call ARROW today
2017-05-17T22:46:00 < englishman> and this order will be shipping tomorrow instead of today
2017-05-17T22:46:01 < englishman> \o/
2017-05-17T22:46:04 < englishman> whats the part
2017-05-17T22:46:36 < Steffanx> oh, some constant current led thingy. PAM2804. I can probably find one with the same footprint.
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2017-05-17T22:47:10 < englishman> guess who has stock
2017-05-17T22:47:44 < Steffanx> yes, arrow
2017-05-17T22:52:35 < Steffanx> hmm, arrow does free shipping?
2017-05-17T22:52:40 < Steffanx> even to dutchland?!
2017-05-17T22:52:46 < englishman> :)
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2017-05-17T22:53:24 < Steffanx> and paypa
2017-05-17T22:53:25 < Steffanx> l
2017-05-17T22:53:27 < englishman> yep
2017-05-17T22:53:30 < Steffanx> damn, i might even like arrow.
2017-05-17T22:53:32 < englishman> my sales dude is a real bro too
2017-05-17T22:53:36 < englishman> wait
2017-05-17T22:53:37 < englishman> just wait
2017-05-17T22:53:40 < englishman> hold your judgement
2017-05-17T22:53:43 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-05-17T22:53:44 < englishman> place the order
2017-05-17T22:53:49 < englishman> but hold your judgement
2017-05-17T22:54:13 < Steffanx> I'll never use avnet/silica for sure.
2017-05-17T22:55:09 < Steffanx> Oh, i already start to dislike it. Search for a part, find the part, click on view "This page does not exist"
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2017-05-17T22:57:02 < englishman> haha
2017-05-17T22:57:03 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-17T22:57:07 < englishman> thats what happened to me today
2017-05-17T22:57:21 < englishman> i called the sales dude, oh yeah we have 900 reels
2017-05-17T22:57:25 < englishman> -_-
2017-05-17T22:57:38 < englishman> if the prices seem low, they are, plus if you call and get an account they are even lower
2017-05-17T23:02:48 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5vr_Vhoumc do you like something like this?
2017-05-17T23:04:40 < Steffanx> nein kakimir
2017-05-17T23:05:07 < kakimir> is that in dutch "dat" ?
2017-05-17T23:05:54 < Steffanx> nein is german for no
2017-05-17T23:06:10 < kakimir> I already can dutch
2017-05-17T23:06:20 < Steffanx> "neuken"? :P
2017-05-17T23:06:25 < Steffanx> englishman, we'll see how well arrow does.
2017-05-17T23:06:38 < kakimir> are we talking about the series arrow?
2017-05-17T23:06:45 < Steffanx> No, about arrow.
2017-05-17T23:06:47 < Steffanx> ARROW
2017-05-17T23:07:06 < kakimir> oh
2017-05-17T23:07:13 < kakimir> electronic component stuff
2017-05-17T23:07:19 < Steffanx> Ja
2017-05-17T23:10:12 < englishman> i may have just doomed Steffanx project
2017-05-17T23:11:02 < Steffanx> Who know. Maybe ARROW likes me better htan they like you.
2017-05-17T23:11:05 < Steffanx> *knows
2017-05-17T23:11:25 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c626223/v626223359/6957a/5bs-L5VI5UI.jpg
2017-05-17T23:12:41 < englishman> you're probably right
2017-05-17T23:13:03 < englishman> Thorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93lJlVew5Eo
2017-05-17T23:13:20 < englishman> kitten exchange
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2017-05-17T23:15:49 < Steffanx> We'll see how fast Arrow is and if they can make it by the end of this week.
2017-05-17T23:15:55 < Steffanx> same applies to farnell.
2017-05-17T23:16:00 < Thorn> lgbt rainbow cat toy?
2017-05-17T23:16:14 < englishman> yes i am training him to hate gays
2017-05-17T23:16:32 < Steffanx> Or just Nyan cat rainbow thingy
2017-05-17T23:17:02 < BrainDamage> I hate how they monopolized rainbows
2017-05-17T23:17:09 < Steffanx> I see lil dongs is as lazy as our cat.
2017-05-17T23:17:15 < Steffanx> Wants to play, but does not move.
2017-05-17T23:18:43 < englishman> well the rainbow toy is also full of catnip
2017-05-17T23:18:46 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for you BrainDamage
2017-05-17T23:18:47 < englishman> it has an immobilizing effect
2017-05-17T23:19:41 < Steffanx> Yeah, i love that stuff. Neighbours have it in their garden. Funny how all cats go crazy.
2017-05-17T23:19:41 < BrainDamage> are you trying to make the cat consider lgbt as toys so it'll use its nails on them?
2017-05-17T23:21:50 < englishman> maybe the rainbow toy will turn him gay, i did not consider this
2017-05-17T23:22:04 < englishman> is there an online gay cat test
2017-05-17T23:22:16 < Thorn> 12 hours of yesterday's live stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgV4BtRrG9M
2017-05-17T23:22:17 < BrainDamage> to the google machine!
2017-05-17T23:22:32 < BrainDamage> for sure it'll make for an interesting history completion in the future
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2017-05-17T23:23:46 < Thorn> so F7 has a completely different I2C controller from everything else?
2017-05-17T23:24:48 < englishman> how much would you pay for a gay cat test? i smell a business opportunity
2017-05-17T23:26:13 < Steffanx> Oshpark is being nice to me. Pcbs are tiny so they tend to end up in the extra fast services. Stuff was shipped in 2 days
2017-05-17T23:26:46 < Steffanx> Shipping takes 5+ days sadly.
2017-05-17T23:32:16 < Steffanx> Can i blame you when ARROW fails, englishman ?
2017-05-17T23:32:24 < englishman> yes pls
2017-05-17T23:39:31 < invzim> I need to mesure inrush current, is setting the current limiter on the PSU and seeing if it trips generally 'good enough'?
2017-05-17T23:39:36 < invzim> usb powered device..
2017-05-17T23:41:36 < kakimir> is there site for ready-made working 5/5 stm32 programs with codez
2017-05-17T23:41:37 < kakimir> ?
2017-05-17T23:41:49 < kakimir> like ready codez for n+1 applications
2017-05-17T23:42:15 < kakimir> "take this and this module and throw them together and flash it and done"
2017-05-17T23:42:44 < kakimir> am I describings how arduino works?
2017-05-17T23:42:57 < kakimir> I don't really know
2017-05-17T23:45:27 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/152224522215?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2650&var=451413702078&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT is 5eur for 3meters a good deal?
2017-05-17T23:47:33 < kakimir> new alien is in movies now
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2017-05-17T23:52:37 < kakimir> got my silicone pad for welding
2017-05-17T23:52:54 < kakimir> yes it's silicone by the feel
2017-05-17T23:53:04 < kakimir> but it smells like it has done from farts
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2017-05-17T23:58:22 < karlp> feels so weird having a new session
2017-05-17T23:58:47 < Steffanx> Empty?
2017-05-17T23:59:05 < karlp> yeah
2017-05-17T23:59:09 < karlp> no scrollback.
2017-05-17T23:59:15  * invzim palms at himself and looks for a smallish resistor to hook up in series with psu and connects it to scope
2017-05-17T23:59:38 < invzim> ohms law damint :)
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2017-05-18T00:00:40 < invzim> maybe get one of those heatsink thingies off aliexpress for the lab
2017-05-18T00:08:02 < BrainDamage> karlp: I can start shitposting blaxter-grade links if it makes you more comfortable
2017-05-18T00:08:42 < BrainDamage> invzim: careful about gnd, you want differential measurement on that resistor unless it's low side
2017-05-18T00:09:10 < englishman> i have some Steffanx-quality links http://news.nationalpost.com/life/millennials-cant-buy-homes-because-theyre-wasting-money-on-avocado-toast-helpful-millionaire-says
2017-05-18T00:10:19 < kakimir> millenials can't buy house because babyboomers rigged the economy for them
2017-05-18T00:11:14 < invzim> BrainDamage: not sure I get it?  wouldn't measuring voltage drop across it with single shot on the scope do the job?
2017-05-18T00:13:12 < Steffanx> You are only triggering yourself englishman
2017-05-18T00:13:17 < Steffanx> And what kakimir said
2017-05-18T00:15:31 < BrainDamage> invzim: scope gns is tied to protective earth, psu often also place gnd to protective earth, if the resistor is hih side, and you connect gnd of scope to high side, you're shorting the sense resistor to gnd trought PE
2017-05-18T00:15:42 < BrainDamage> which will make it go poof
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2017-05-18T00:17:18  * invzim thinks hard :)
2017-05-18T00:18:47 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaELqAo4kkQ
2017-05-18T00:20:53 < invzim> ah
2017-05-18T00:20:55 < invzim> hehe
2017-05-18T00:21:07 < invzim> yes, obvious when you think about it :)  Thanks for the hot tip
2017-05-18T00:21:28 < zyp> I remember at uni, I once tripped a RCD because I assumed a heatsink was grounded and hooked scope ground to it
2017-05-18T00:21:34 < zyp> it was live
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2017-05-18T00:30:03 < invzim> too late here, remembered I already have a 1W 'decade' thingie that goes down to 0.1ohm - time to short some shit :)
2017-05-18T00:30:33 < invzim> but sersiously thanks guys, I would have gone straight ahead and shorted my stuff :)
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2017-05-18T00:44:39 < invzim> bah, can't measure on th emath channel on the ds1052e it seems
2017-05-18T00:45:04 < BrainDamage> just put the resistor on the low side
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2017-05-18T00:58:28 < invzim> 0.1 and 1ohm was not accurate at all, 2ohm seems ok
2017-05-18T01:08:31 < invzim> nah, my scope/resistor/dp831 psu is not completely in agreement
2017-05-18T01:10:44 < invzim> add multimeter to the mix :)  No I start to get why people want the high decimal expensive stuff
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2017-05-18T01:14:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMj37o6JWe4
2017-05-18T01:14:54 < Laurenceb_> lul the end
2017-05-18T01:15:15 < Laurenceb_> dat double bluff
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2017-05-18T03:49:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/6bh27p/why_did_thetraveller_make_a_bold_claim_of_making/
2017-05-18T03:53:25 < dongs> zyp: thanks.
2017-05-18T03:56:18 < Laurenceb_> Let it all out you fucking faggot. Feels good to free your mind, doesn't it?
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2017-05-18T04:00:19 < dongs>  < Steffanx> hmm, arrow does free shipping?
2017-05-18T04:00:33 < dongs> arrow will do free shiping for order > $20 and throw in a free rageberry pi
2017-05-18T04:09:29 < dongs> zyp, why do you do 640-64 in update()?
2017-05-18T04:10:14 < dongs> hmm i thought t he texture was supposed to get stretched maybe not
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2017-05-18T04:40:01 < dongs> hmm
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2017-05-18T04:40:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rWURgr5.png
2017-05-18T04:41:04 < dongs> sumting wong with the texture shit
2017-05-18T04:42:40 < dongs> oh lol, zyps code had the stretched texture and then a 'real size' copy in the corner
2017-05-18T04:42:56 < dongs> k all works
2017-05-18T04:44:27 < crt> i have something
2017-05-18T04:47:14 < crt> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/IjK22cT.jpg
2017-05-18T04:47:21 < crt> AS PROMISED BRO
2017-05-18T04:49:36 < dongs> loledongs
2017-05-18T04:50:34 < englishman> are you fat yet on waffeldiet
2017-05-18T04:55:23 < crt> mayb
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2017-05-18T05:53:16 < aandrew> weird
2017-05-18T05:53:35 < aandrew> bring up two boards, on ehad two damaged components that i can't figure out why they'd have been damaged
2017-05-18T05:53:52 < aandrew> an NCP1092 (PoE controller) and a ZXTR2015 (LDO)
2017-05-18T05:54:21 < englishman> maybe they were molested as bare dies
2017-05-18T06:00:56 < aandrew> hm, not the ZXTR, but an STM6600
2017-05-18T06:01:03 < aandrew> that's the second one I've had die now
2017-05-18T06:04:21 < dongs> stop using inferior ST parts
2017-05-18T06:04:43 < dongs> you should have used https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/supervisors-voltage-monitors-sequencers/MAX16054.html
2017-05-18T06:07:30 < englishman> has maxim innovated EOL'ing a part before it is even released
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2017-05-18T06:13:10 < aandrew> lol
2017-05-18T06:13:36 < aandrew> well we specifically used STM6600 (and STWD100) for use with the STM32F207
2017-05-18T06:13:59 < aandrew> this is a medical application and felt it would be easier to get support if they couldn't play vendors against each other
2017-05-18T06:14:07 < aandrew> and to be honest ST's support is pretty good
2017-05-18T06:16:14 < dongs> oh fuck
2017-05-18T06:16:22 < dongs> i wonder if stwd100 is cheaper than the max trash we're using now
2017-05-18T06:16:31 < dongs> lets see
2017-05-18T06:16:39 < dongs> Available watchdog timeout periods are 3.4 ms, 6.3 ms, 102 ms, and 1.6 s
2017-05-18T06:16:39 < dongs> oh
2017-05-18T06:17:01 < dongs> max goes up to 180seconds
2017-05-18T06:17:09 < dongs> MAX6369
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2017-05-18T06:39:36 < dongs> what the fuck why is strtoul giving me 7ffffff parsing out ffffffff
2017-05-18T06:41:06 < dongs> ull worked
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2017-05-18T09:06:41 < dongs> saw some pro shit in a production board today
2017-05-18T09:06:58 < dongs> some parallel traces were scraped+cut, and a 4-piece resistor network soldered into the place
2017-05-18T09:07:05 < dongs> in two places
2017-05-18T09:09:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/uzLROaO.jpg
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2017-05-18T09:21:06 < englishman> those long straight non impedance matched traces were a bit too ringy
2017-05-18T09:21:11 < englishman> pro work there
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2017-05-18T09:30:56 < dongs> this is from a $600 Gefen device
2017-05-18T09:31:18 < dongs> Gefen LLC is an American electronics hardware manufacturing company specializing in digital audio/video connectivity products. The company was founded by Hagai Gefen in 1998, and originally located in Woodland Hills, CA. Wikipedia
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2017-05-18T09:48:51 < Steffanx> Do you still have your Russian passport R2COM?
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2017-05-18T09:57:54 < Steffanx> Not anymore?
2017-05-18T09:58:29 < Steffanx> If you are not Russian you must have been trolling very hard
2017-05-18T09:58:38 < Steffanx> Or just trolling right now
2017-05-18T10:02:22 < upgrdman> fucking asus. their shit mobo software is shit. (ai suite 3) ... it has a daemon that uses like 6% of my 4GHz CPU all the time. daemon is always running. and their uninstaller is broken. i had to actually delete files from C:/Program File (x86)/ASUS/ like a savage.
2017-05-18T10:07:34 < upgrdman> Steffanx, found r2com  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8&feature=youtu.be&t=199
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2017-05-18T10:15:39 < dongs>  < upgrdman> fucking asus. their shit mobo software is shit. (ai suite 3) ...
2017-05-18T10:15:43 < dongs> why teh fuck would you even isntall that shit
2017-05-18T10:15:50 < dongs> the fuck does it doe that bios doenst
2017-05-18T10:15:58 < dongs> sounds like you summoned that AIDS on yourself
2017-05-18T10:16:06 < upgrdman> dongs, i needed drivers, and thought it was part of that
2017-05-18T10:16:12 < upgrdman> and it wasnt
2017-05-18T10:16:14 < dongs> lol no
2017-05-18T10:16:21 < dongs> its some fucking gamer crap
2017-05-18T10:16:26 < dongs> XTREME OVERCLOCK
2017-05-18T10:16:27 < upgrdman> and yes, the bios can do everything anus suite 3 does
2017-05-18T10:17:20 < Steffanx> But that screws up your uptime...
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2017-05-18T10:18:21 < upgrdman> win10 already screws my uptime. fucking updates requiring reboot all the time
2017-05-18T10:18:29 < dongs> gpedit.msc bro
2017-05-18T10:18:30 < upgrdman> even gay ass apple isnt that bad.
2017-05-18T10:18:39 < dongs> learn to compute
2017-05-18T10:18:40 < upgrdman> ?
2017-05-18T10:18:54 < dongs> you can group policy that shit to defer downloads until you tell it to
2017-05-18T10:19:01 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-05-18T10:19:01 < dongs> thats how my desktop is, and I can remote into it from anywhere and continue work
2017-05-18T10:19:22 < dongs> while the fucking "you need some updates" popup is on the screen
2017-05-18T10:25:50 < zyp> dongs, oh, the 640-64 thing is because I'm rendering double
2017-05-18T10:26:59 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/LCOX6.png <- line 100 is rendering the one filling the window, line 101 is rendering the thing down in the corner
2017-05-18T10:27:39 < zyp> if you don't want that, you can just drop line 101 and the whole p-structure for it
2017-05-18T10:28:23 < zyp> I added it so I could see how antialiasing looks at 1:1
2017-05-18T10:28:55 < zyp> because antialiasing looks awful when scaled up 10x
2017-05-18T10:35:29 < ReadError> anyone worked with peltier coolers before?
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2017-05-18T10:38:31 < Steffanx> Oh you are old. You are Soviet ofcourse, R2COM
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2017-05-18T10:48:53 < branjb> why do they let marketing guys make datasheets
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2017-05-18T10:52:36 < dongs> zyp, yeah i figured that out
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2017-05-18T10:53:18 < dongs> we're totally reinenting the uguuFx lcd emulation mode RIP tectu
2017-05-18T10:53:28 < zyp> heh
2017-05-18T10:53:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rWURgr5.png got this ebfore i removed the corner one
2017-05-18T10:54:14 < dongs> anyway, all good now. had some fuckup trying to figure out 565 stuff instead of that weird 8bit pallete thing you chose
2017-05-18T10:54:48 < dongs> aparently in sdl2 theres no proper way to get SDL_PixelFormat from a teture
2017-05-18T10:54:51 < dongs> not that ie found
2017-05-18T10:55:09 < dongs> so i coulnt use SDL_MapRGB, had to dick aound with my own 565 macro
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2017-05-18T10:55:52 < Steffanx> I always like the made by intern ones branjb. Eagle schematics and amateuristic photos.
2017-05-18T10:55:55 < zyp> wat, couldn't you just ask for 565 instead of 332?
2017-05-18T10:56:21 < dongs> zyp, SDL_MapRGB needs  a SDL_PixelFormat pointer which is a struct ful lof aids.
2017-05-18T10:56:26 < dongs> normally it came from surface->format
2017-05-18T10:56:37 < zyp> I mean, line 82 explicitly asks for 332
2017-05-18T10:56:44 < dongs> but all the SDL2 types are opaque and don't expose any of the internal shit
2017-05-18T10:56:46 < dongs> yes, i modified that
2017-05-18T10:56:50 < zyp> you could just change that to 565 and feed in 565
2017-05-18T10:56:55 < dongs> right
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2017-05-18T10:57:13 < dongs> but SDL_MapRGB which does r,g,b to 565 would need a * to format. which I don't have
2017-05-18T10:57:18 < dongs> anway, i just wrote my own shitty 565 macro
2017-05-18T10:57:33 < zyp> oh, what's your source format?
2017-05-18T10:57:42 < dongs> well, i was running that noise algorithm
2017-05-18T10:57:51 < dongs> which was just 24bit rgb
2017-05-18T10:57:56 < dongs> to use as a test
2017-05-18T10:58:11 < dongs> so i had to shrink those pixels into my buffer first.
2017-05-18T10:58:13 < zyp> umm, I think there's a RGB888 as well
2017-05-18T10:58:22 < dongs> yeah. but the rest of my buffer is actually 565.
2017-05-18T10:58:47 < dongs> anyway iy was only for testing. i had a working 24bit code to fill screen with noise and i wanted to quickly throw it on screen to see it updating is all
2017-05-18T10:58:55 < zyp> ah
2017-05-18T10:59:00 < dongs> the rest of my display shit actually directly works in 565, so its all good
2017-05-18T10:59:06 < zyp> right
2017-05-18T10:59:35 < dongs> sdl is still shit :p
2017-05-18T10:59:46 < dongs> https://github.com/emoon/minifb/blob/master/src/windows/WinMiniFB.c
2017-05-18T10:59:49 < dongs> this looks way better ;d
2017-05-18T11:00:14 < dongs> as that would be the ONLY dependency
2017-05-18T11:00:17 < dongs> not a 2meg .dll
2017-05-18T11:00:42 < zyp> as if that matters
2017-05-18T11:00:59 < zyp> this is test code, not shit to distribute
2017-05-18T11:01:44 < dongs> well, it took me an evening of reading through outdated docs and stacksexchange posts of retards to figure out that half the API in SDL2 was deprecated and no most of dumb tutorials no longer apply to it
2017-05-18T11:01:58 < dongs> er SDL1->SDL2
2017-05-18T11:02:15 < dongs> if I used minifb, i would have been done in5 mins
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2017-05-18T11:10:46 < dongs> hm for some reason raw lcd bitmaps (565) are getting drawn weirdly tho
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2017-05-18T11:15:49 < zyp> byte ordering?
2017-05-18T11:15:57 < dongs> not sure
2017-05-18T11:16:06 < dongs> it looks like 2 pairs of crap
2017-05-18T11:16:19 < zyp> pic?
2017-05-18T11:16:26 < dongs> trying. sec
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2017-05-18T11:17:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JnTtsBX.png
2017-05-18T11:18:19 < dongs> it should be yellow text
2017-05-18T11:19:25 < dongs> hmm if I set widtdh *2 it renders color correctly
2017-05-18T11:19:32 < dongs> but also duplicates the IMAGE too
2017-05-18T11:19:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zaVZYg4.png
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2017-05-18T11:22:19 < dongs> niggerland
2017-05-18T11:23:01 < Steffanx> But i do want to know. Even when you happen to be my neighbour
2017-05-18T11:23:22 < Steffanx> Need to take measures regarding your gun ownership
2017-05-18T11:24:14 < Steffanx> Yes that too
2017-05-18T11:24:39 < Steffanx> But all these poor little bastard need a home..
2017-05-18T11:25:18 < Steffanx> Some actually do that.
2017-05-18T11:26:22 < Steffanx> Sleep well my 2nd favourite Russian :)
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2017-05-18T11:57:47 < Steffanx> englishman: ARROW already did a partial shipment. They are doing well so far
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2017-05-18T12:05:43 < zyp> dongs, last argument to SDL_UpdateTexture() should probably be 2*w in your case
2017-05-18T12:05:56 < zyp> since it's number of bytes per line
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2017-05-18T12:06:14 < dongs> oh.
2017-05-18T12:06:55 < dongs> ya dude awesome
2017-05-18T12:06:56 < dongs> works
2017-05-18T12:07:10 < dongs> thanks
2017-05-18T12:08:32 < dongs> 'pitch' ... is actually byte pitch?
2017-05-18T12:08:36 < dongs> and not whatever pitch
2017-05-18T12:08:48 < zyp> "the number of bytes in a row of pixel data, including padding between lines"
2017-05-18T12:09:00 < dongs> oh okay yeah
2017-05-18T12:09:02 < dongs> heh
2017-05-18T12:09:03 < dongs> dongs.
2017-05-18T12:09:26 < zyp> and yes, it has to be bytes
2017-05-18T12:09:52 < dongs> ya looks g ood now
2017-05-18T12:09:54 < zyp> if you have 24-bit data and aligned lines, you could end up with shit where padding isn't an even number of pixels
2017-05-18T12:10:01 < zyp> so bytes makes sense
2017-05-18T12:10:46 < Thorn> apparently if a to-92 bjt package is magnetic it's a counterfeit and will burn out very soon. anyone heard that?
2017-05-18T12:11:01 < zyp> wat
2017-05-18T12:11:09 < dongs> how is that even releant
2017-05-18T12:12:25 < zyp> hmm
2017-05-18T12:12:28 < Thorn> wrong metal used for the frame -> bad heat dissipation
2017-05-18T12:12:52 < dongs> donno dude
2017-05-18T12:12:52 < Thorn> I wonder if that's a myth or not
2017-05-18T12:13:01 < dongs> that sounds like a very specialcase for something
2017-05-18T12:13:36 < Thorn> I tested my to-92 transistors, aliexpress 2n2222 are not magnetic, low noise 2n5089 from a more reputable source are magnetic
2017-05-18T12:13:51 < zyp> I ordered some shit from aliexpress, the tracking number the seller gave me shows a different package from a different store, going to a different person in a different city of norway, in the same time frame
2017-05-18T12:14:02 < zyp> how the fuck does mixups like that happen
2017-05-18T12:15:29 < zyp> also, now I'm wondering if my package will still show up even without tracking, or if I have to get a refund and reorder
2017-05-18T12:17:16 < Thorn> you should write a message to the seller and ask for a correct tracking #. if they don't give you one in a week or so you can open a dispute, "abnormal tracking" should be a win by default
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2017-05-18T12:17:42 < zyp> yeah, already did
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2017-05-18T12:44:10 < crt> dr stfn
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2017-05-18T12:50:34 < Steffanx> Stevey.
2017-05-18T12:52:27 < crt> welcum
2017-05-18T12:52:30 < crt> did u like it?
2017-05-18T13:09:20 < Peter_M> to-92s are only good for what 500-750mw? i reckon it wouldnt take much to dfuck even a legit one
2017-05-18T13:14:54 < Steffanx> It? crt ?
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2017-05-18T13:44:37 < ReadError> why dont they make LEDs in 254nm
2017-05-18T13:47:21 < crt> Steffanx: did you see the pictures
2017-05-18T13:47:53 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/IjK22cT.jpg
2017-05-18T13:49:38 < crt> Je hebt stroopwafels en je hebt stroopwafels. Maar er is maar één Kanjers. En dat is natuurlijk niet voor niets. Sinds 1995 toen we begonnen met het maken oer-Hollandse stroopwafels, hadden we maar één doel: een waanzinnig lekkere stroopwafel maken waar heel Nederland stapelgek op is. En onze trouwe Kanjers liefhebbers vinden dat dit heel goed gelukt is!
2017-05-18T13:49:38 < crt> Daar doen we dan ook ons uiterste best voor. Al 20 jaar gebruiken we de beste ingrediënten en bakken we met zorg een heerlijke stroopwafel.
2017-05-18T13:50:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Uxf0uao.jpg first item a dickstarter purchases
2017-05-18T13:51:22 < crt> idk what that is
2017-05-18T13:51:24 < kakimir> I wonder when the price of shibinu or whatever it's called comes down
2017-05-18T13:51:44 < crt> the whole rig is going down
2017-05-18T13:52:36 < kakimir> I think it's a bad photo
2017-05-18T13:52:43 < crt> okay
2017-05-18T13:52:49 < crt> but what is it
2017-05-18T13:52:58 < crt> did you like my stroopwafel picture kakimir
2017-05-18T13:53:14 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-18T13:54:19 < crt> any LEDs mate?
2017-05-18T13:54:26 < kakimir> no
2017-05-18T13:54:45 < dongs> its https://www.mcad.com/3d-printing/objet-eden-printers/eden-350v/ its a $80k 3d dicker
2017-05-18T13:57:53 < crt> ok you've purchased a 3d printer
2017-05-18T14:00:00 < crt> i have faced off with the SMPS from hell
2017-05-18T14:00:49 < crt> it has this simple 555 circuit which just fucking dies each time i rebuild it
2017-05-18T14:02:25 < dongs> > 555
2017-05-18T14:02:26 < dongs> found the problem
2017-05-18T14:03:19 < crt> I 100% agree
2017-05-18T14:03:57 < Steffanx> Oh i missed that crt :)
2017-05-18T14:04:34 < crt> son of a
2017-05-18T14:04:44 < crt> was that what you wanted me to do??
2017-05-18T14:05:08 < Steffanx> Its acceptable
2017-05-18T14:05:58 < crt> yeah i can only fault the PCB itself
2017-05-18T14:06:30 < crt> the dogs did a swift one on me today
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2017-05-18T14:47:30 < sync> oh, it is actually jetting, interesting
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2017-05-18T15:36:50 < Thorn> >Project can be generated as a general purpose makefile. <-- from cube 4.21.0 release notes
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2017-05-18T15:48:43 < englishman> dongs that looks like a 2d printer
2017-05-18T15:48:50 < englishman> I think you've been ripped off
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2017-05-18T15:50:33 < crt> cats
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2017-05-18T16:16:37 < Rob235> nice, got approved for financial aid, back to school I go
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2017-05-18T16:17:04 < englishman> congrats
2017-05-18T16:17:23 < englishman> you can join the elite league of pro irc EEs
2017-05-18T16:17:37 < Rob235> comp sci major, not ee
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2017-05-18T16:21:42 < englishman> rough commute https://streamable.com/rgf3k
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2017-05-18T16:25:57 < englishman> rip soundgarden
2017-05-18T16:26:06 < Rob235> haha damn
2017-05-18T16:26:53 < crt> whata niger
2017-05-18T16:27:19 < Steffanx> Gta4evef
2017-05-18T16:27:22 < Steffanx> Ever
2017-05-18T16:29:23 < Steffanx> We still have CRT Wonder. Can you sign us a song?
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2017-05-18T16:29:30 < Steffanx> And sing
2017-05-18T16:29:30 < crt> yeah
2017-05-18T16:29:34 < crt> NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
2017-05-18T16:29:40 < crt> thats the song yes
2017-05-18T16:30:04 < crt> oh i thought we were still in private message mode
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2017-05-18T16:50:52 < Laurenceb_> crt thats quite offensive
2017-05-18T16:51:06 < Laurenceb_> you are going to have to be banned from the internet
2017-05-18T16:51:19 < crt> Laurenceb_: https://youtu.be/ppj3gqUTt9E
2017-05-18T16:51:34 < Laurenceb_> my mum is here
2017-05-18T16:51:54 < Laurenceb_> no offensive vids, or no tendies
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2017-05-18T17:05:48 < Steffanx> That GTA video is too nice englishman
2017-05-18T17:06:07 < Steffanx> WTF was wrong with that guy? Drugs much?
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2017-05-18T17:24:34 < crt> Was awesome
2017-05-18T17:25:45 < crt> I wanked for ages
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2017-05-18T17:47:11 < crt> Thank you
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2017-05-18T17:48:23 < crt> Xxx
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2017-05-18T17:51:13 < Steffanx> Sexy
2017-05-18T17:52:56 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f4922f4556/17111.jpg
2017-05-18T17:55:10 < karlp> it's on paper, therefore it's true.....
2017-05-18T18:19:18 < kakimir> nice edit
2017-05-18T18:19:58 < englishman> yo
2017-05-18T18:19:59 < englishman> kaks
2017-05-18T18:20:02 < englishman> what is butter coffee
2017-05-18T18:21:00 < kakimir> buttermilk?
2017-05-18T18:21:14 < karlp> no, finnish/swedish shit
2017-05-18T18:21:20 < karlp> black coffee with a chunk of butter in it.
2017-05-18T18:21:43 < kakimir> I have never heard
2017-05-18T18:21:48 < kakimir> of such thing
2017-05-18T18:22:08 < kakimir> I pour 80% fat whipping cream in my coffee
2017-05-18T18:22:51 < kakimir> and a drop of milk
2017-05-18T18:23:09 < kakimir> ot at least I used to
2017-05-18T18:23:15 < kakimir> nowdays just whole milk
2017-05-18T18:24:06 < englishman> https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/warrior-coffee-butter-coffee-6-pack/50391
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2017-05-18T18:28:18 < BrainDamage> how can you not have a heart attack by 35
2017-05-18T18:30:27 < kakimir> fat is good
2017-05-18T18:30:37 < englishman> keeps you warm
2017-05-18T18:30:40 < englishman> gives you n r g
2017-05-18T18:30:42 < kakimir> good type of fat
2017-05-18T18:30:44 < englishman> for cold winter months
2017-05-18T18:31:09 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-18T18:31:24 < englishman> being skinny and chopping 24 cords of wood are mutually exclusive
2017-05-18T18:31:41 < kakimir> there is 2 types of primary fuel for human
2017-05-18T18:32:00 < kakimir> hydrocarbons and fats
2017-05-18T18:32:41 < BrainDamage> I was being hyperbolic
2017-05-18T18:32:57 < BrainDamage> but the fat that dominates in butter is not the good one
2017-05-18T18:33:06 < englishman> it is good
2017-05-18T18:33:09 < englishman> pig grease is also good
2017-05-18T18:33:13 < BrainDamage> it's saturated fat, which has high correlation with coronary diseases
2017-05-18T18:33:18 < kakimir> if it's real butter then it's good
2017-05-18T18:33:40 < BrainDamage> but a dab of butter in a coffee won't be what kills you
2017-05-18T18:33:41 < englishman> fortunately, eating butter and pig grease for 400 years has had a significant biological effect on my peoples
2017-05-18T18:33:57 < englishman> and there is less coronary disease than other peoples
2017-05-18T18:34:06 < englishman> despite eating pig grease on toast
2017-05-18T18:34:29 < BrainDamage> if you have genetic advantage it doesn't make the genral rule wrong :p
2017-05-18T18:36:04 < BrainDamage> also, what the fuck https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/soviet-enema-pot-with-mouth-pieces-surplus/53555 for when you need an enema while camping?
2017-05-18T18:36:17 < englishman> cool
2017-05-18T18:36:19 < englishman> tactical enema
2017-05-18T18:36:57 < BrainDamage> need military colours to be truly tactical
2017-05-18T18:37:32 < karlp> kakimir can't be a real finn then.
2017-05-18T18:37:39 < karlp> though maybe it's a sami thing.
2017-05-18T18:38:17 < kakimir> what thing?
2017-05-18T18:38:57 < kakimir> BrainDamage: wtf
2017-05-18T18:41:06 < englishman> gta aftermath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmHuL-M9V7I
2017-05-18T18:41:29 < kakimir> BrainDamage: do you have any explanation for such?
2017-05-18T18:41:56 < BrainDamage> for what, your coffee dietary habits?
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2017-05-18T19:11:57 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/GlobalZarfati/status/865237253865525248
2017-05-18T19:14:50 < kakimir> BrainDamage: enema
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2017-05-18T20:01:21 < Rob235> wow that guy got life?
2017-05-18T20:01:48 < kakimir> crt?
2017-05-18T20:01:58 < ABLomas> =)
2017-05-18T20:05:41 < Steffanx> crt is dead.
2017-05-18T20:07:14 < kakimir> this black stm32f103C8T6 board doesn't have proper bypass for radios
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2017-05-18T20:12:58 < BrainDamage> kakimir: surplus from army medical supplies, and you can sell any shit you want to preppers as long as it has the words tactical or military in it
2017-05-18T20:14:08 < kakimir> "I think we need an enema in our survival bunker"
2017-05-18T20:14:19 < Thorn> military surplus anal probes for preppers
2017-05-18T20:14:45 < Streaker> how do you sleep in your bunker after having an enema in it?
2017-05-18T20:15:26 < Thorn> on your stomach
2017-05-18T20:15:47 < BrainDamage> the best part is the irony of the situation about being figuratively assfucked on a crappy deal
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2017-05-18T20:19:31 < Thorn> ok so you can't have i2c on stm32 without problems, even on f7
2017-05-18T20:19:44 < Laurenceb_> lel
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2017-05-18T20:20:28 < Laurenceb_> early emdrive:  http://imgur.com/MfnDpCr
2017-05-18T20:24:51 < kakimir> how about learning tesla drivetrain for me Laurenceb_
2017-05-18T20:26:40 < kakimir> oh shit I'm almost late from fatty food closing time>
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2017-05-18T20:27:04 < Rob235> what video course should I take first, Java, android, or AI?
2017-05-18T20:27:17 < kakimir> C
2017-05-18T20:27:21 < Rob235> I know C
2017-05-18T20:28:27 < Rob235> I need to take AI for school so maybe I should start with that
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2017-05-18T20:33:22 < Steffanx> and better do java before android Rob235
2017-05-18T20:33:38 < Rob235> I know java mostly, just wanted a refresher but yea I should anyway
2017-05-18T20:35:59 < Thorn> there was an android mooc with a huge github repo with 50+ example apps
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2017-05-18T20:37:59 < Laurenceb_> S.H.R.I.N.E
2017-05-18T20:37:59 < Laurenceb_> Supernatural Happening Response & Investigation Nexus (England)
2017-05-18T20:38:17 < Laurenceb_> Something is rotten in the shires of England.
2017-05-18T20:38:17 < Laurenceb_> Witchcraft is rife and demons are sighted, mariners report burning wheels
2017-05-18T20:40:48 < Rob235> I have a few mooc courses downloaded
2017-05-18T20:41:11 < Rob235> over 1TB total, probably at 1.5 by now
2017-05-18T20:44:17 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZn0P9j10k
2017-05-18T20:44:34 < Steffanx> fuck those "cats" ..
2017-05-18T20:49:34 < BrainDamage> tesla is installing electric vehicle chargers here for free
2017-05-18T20:50:08 < BrainDamage> the wut part ist that they plan to install sockets at the boat docks too
2017-05-18T20:53:03 < Laurenceb_> Tesla as in emdrive 0.0 Tesla?
2017-05-18T20:53:41 < BrainDamage> tesla as in the company owned by your favourite businessman
2017-05-18T20:54:39 < Laurenceb_> ah Musk, emdrive 2.0
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2017-05-18T20:55:27 < Laurenceb_> it's funny because Nikola Tesla was timecube tier loon
2017-05-18T20:55:59 < BrainDamage> i don't think he was a loon, his fanbase is mostly lunatics, he simply exploited them
2017-05-18T20:56:30 < Laurenceb_> haha maybe true
2017-05-18T20:56:43 < Laurenceb_> the original Donald Trump
2017-05-18T21:05:38 < Steffanx> Trump is a lonatic..
2017-05-18T21:05:44 < Steffanx> Not just his fanbase
2017-05-18T21:11:20 < branjb> Trump's actually a time traveler
2017-05-18T21:15:00 < branjb> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/192/557/548.jpg
2017-05-18T21:15:02 < branjb> proof
2017-05-18T21:17:01 < ReadError> hello, ReadError, professional security researcher, here
2017-05-18T21:17:31 < Laurenceb_> http://spacenews.com/rocket-lab-sets-date-for-first-electron-launch/
2017-05-18T21:17:52 < Laurenceb_> wew Trump and Tesla
2017-05-18T21:18:11 < branjb> Laurenceb_ if you read it it makes 100% sense
2017-05-18T21:18:44 < Laurenceb_> oh dear...
2017-05-18T21:18:46 < Laurenceb_> tl;dr
2017-05-18T21:19:43 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump
2017-05-18T21:19:45 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-05-18T21:19:57 < branjb> that story was actually told by Baron from the future
2017-05-18T21:20:02 < branjb> he traveled back in time and posted it on /pol/
2017-05-18T21:20:05 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-05-18T21:22:33 < Laurenceb_> there can be more than one Mike Pence on Earth in a given time period
2017-05-18T21:22:37 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-05-18T21:23:09 < Laurenceb_> Pence Prime
2017-05-18T21:23:23 < branjb> Tim Kaines wife is actually from the Pence family
2017-05-18T21:24:54 < Laurenceb_> they even managed to include kek
2017-05-18T21:25:49 < ohsix> http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/representative-rocker-chris-cornell-died-age-52-47480300 detroit got em
2017-05-18T21:25:57 < branjb> Trump actually built the pyramids too
2017-05-18T21:27:10 < Laurenceb_> we wuz
2017-05-18T21:31:29 < kakimir> mandela effect is fun
2017-05-18T21:33:15 < kakimir> where are all the time traveller doulbes Laurenceb_
2017-05-18T21:33:20 < kakimir> doubles
2017-05-18T21:34:03 < kakimir> they should be here and there making all the changes
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2017-05-18T22:21:22 < Laurenceb_> so crt are you coming to UK?
2017-05-18T22:32:57 < Steffanx> Didnt he already confirm that Laurenceb_?
2017-05-18T22:33:16 < Laurenceb_> dunno
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2017-05-18T22:48:35 < kakimir> is there a right irc channel if I'm interested in VFD
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2017-05-18T22:49:47 < jpa-> sexually or otherwise?
2017-05-18T22:49:52 < kakimir> otherwise
2017-05-18T22:49:58 < jpa-> nope
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2017-05-18T22:50:20 < Steffanx> ##vfd32
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2017-05-18T22:57:03 < kakimir> I need 250kW VFD
2017-05-18T22:57:24 < Steffanx> What's the plan kakimir?
2017-05-18T22:59:23 < kakimir> actually just the power side
2017-05-18T23:01:28 < kakimir> maybe with controller if it's not totally locked
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2017-05-18T23:02:57 < Ultrasauce> this is the sort of statement that makes me glad i'm on another continent
2017-05-18T23:03:23 < Steffanx> Wieso Ultrasauce? He still didnt say much.
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2017-05-18T23:05:10 < kakimir> Ultrasauce: what do you imply?
2017-05-18T23:05:47 < kakimir> overload of autism?
2017-05-18T23:06:06 < Steffanx> Hah, that for sure. But waht is the plan kakimir? What are you going to drive?
2017-05-18T23:07:51 < kakimir> how to charge a flywheel with full electric subscription power available
2017-05-18T23:08:18 < Steffanx> Damn, now you are just going Beaky kakimir.
2017-05-18T23:08:34 < kakimir> and same time discharge DC power same time
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2017-05-18T23:11:49 < Steffanx> what is " full electric subscription power" kakimir?
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2017-05-18T23:14:51 < kakimir> there is basic electric subscription like 3~ 400V 60A so input power must be limited
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2017-05-18T23:16:08 < kakimir> but I want it to insert that 60Amps all the time into the system when rmp is bellow maximum
2017-05-18T23:16:33 < kakimir> it's all simple - just play a few days with VFD
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2017-05-18T23:17:57 < kakimir> problem comes when I want regen brake and tap into DC while still pumpin full amperage from subscription at the same time
2017-05-18T23:18:51 < kakimir> I have not seen such feature in VFDs that would intentionally input energy into system while also outputting to brake load
2017-05-18T23:21:09 < kakimir> it does DC bus switching to external resistor when brake is required
2017-05-18T23:22:06 < kakimir> there is counters for currents inside the VFD so you can not just steal from DC bus
2017-05-18T23:22:31 < kakimir> *are
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2017-05-18T23:29:34 < Steffanx> How huge is your flywheel going to be kakimir?
2017-05-18T23:29:42 < Steffanx> And where do you plan to get it?
2017-05-18T23:35:08 < kakimir> I think I calculated a weight of small for it
2017-05-18T23:35:13 < kakimir> *car
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2017-05-18T23:37:36 < kakimir> I don't know what did I calculate for that mass
2017-05-18T23:39:37 < kakimir> I need something like 3-5kwh
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2017-05-19T00:37:18 < crt> ThNks
2017-05-19T00:37:22 < kakimir> hello
2017-05-19T00:38:22 < Laurenceb_> the energ stoRAGE?
2017-05-19T00:38:37 < kakimir> giving me headache
2017-05-19T00:38:54 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbIWjFv4jr8
2017-05-19T00:38:57 < kakimir> there is drifting voltage levels and stuff
2017-05-19T00:39:44 < crt> Hmm
2017-05-19T00:41:59 < Laurenceb_> what is kakimir building?
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2017-05-19T00:42:40 < kakimir> hmm supercaps become cheaper
2017-05-19T00:43:46 < crt> M
2017-05-19T00:43:47 < kakimir> thing that would brake the flywheel with power of +250kW would cost 7000pounds 0vat
2017-05-19T00:44:20 < crt> Do you like overunity mate
2017-05-19T00:44:24 < crt> Lol
2017-05-19T00:44:34 < Laurenceb_> the flywheel energy stoRAGE meme?
2017-05-19T00:44:40 < Laurenceb_> you fell for it?
2017-05-19T00:44:49 < kakimir> more interesting free energy when there is 0.25megawatts involved
2017-05-19T00:44:56 < kakimir> more youtube views and crap sold
2017-05-19T00:45:28 < crt> Haha
2017-05-19T00:45:39 < Laurenceb_> something that might actually work: compressed air energy storage in concrete sewer pipes on the bottom of the ocean
2017-05-19T00:45:51 < crt> Cool
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2017-05-19T00:46:11 < crt> They blow ups
2017-05-19T00:46:21 < crt> Shit goes everywhere
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2017-05-19T00:46:26 < crt> Win
2017-05-19T00:46:55 < kakimir> hey throw me some cost efficient supercaps to build 5kwh pack from
2017-05-19T00:47:12 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-05-19T00:47:20 < Laurenceb_> supercap energy stoRAGE
2017-05-19T00:47:31 < Laurenceb_> you realise thats not going to pay
2017-05-19T00:47:33 < Rob235> nice, actually watched 2 hours of AI video course
2017-05-19T00:47:39 < Rob235> thats enough for today
2017-05-19T00:48:00 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: pay what?
2017-05-19T00:48:21 < Laurenceb_> energy stoRAGE needs to be cheap
2017-05-19T00:48:52 < kakimir> I need it to discharge in 2minutes or so
2017-05-19T00:48:55 < kakimir> completelly
2017-05-19T00:49:20 < kakimir> you don't discharge lipo in 2minutes
2017-05-19T00:53:19 < kakimir> there is no purpose to buy 1000% capacity just because you can't pump the energies out
2017-05-19T00:53:22 < kakimir> in time
2017-05-19T00:53:45 < kakimir> unless it becomes the cheapest solution in total cost
2017-05-19T00:54:45 < Laurenceb_> wtf are you building?
2017-05-19T00:55:46 < kakimir> TBD
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2017-05-19T01:03:17 < kakimir> cheapest option might be to ask power company for 300kw subscription
2017-05-19T01:04:06 < kakimir> calculated some super cap packs and got tens of thousands of dollars
2017-05-19T01:04:34 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionic_liquid_piston_compressor
2017-05-19T01:04:42 < Laurenceb_> looks good
2017-05-19T01:08:59 < kakimir> current subscription with 60A fuses would do with average power
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2017-05-19T01:26:46 < kakimir> how to convert 800V DC to 400V DC anyway?
2017-05-19T01:27:19 < kakimir> with 750-1000amp current
2017-05-19T01:40:07 < kakimir> nothing matches..
2017-05-19T01:41:02 < kakimir> ultracaps have linear voltage-charge all way to 0
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2017-05-19T02:05:17 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Oz8I8UPN8
2017-05-19T02:05:19 < Laurenceb_> attn crt
2017-05-19T02:06:23 < crt> crt
2017-05-19T02:06:43 < crt> We've all seen
2017-05-19T02:07:06 < kakimir> flyback: how interesting project is 1000V->400V stepdown?
2017-05-19T02:07:26 < kakimir> flyback: 1000amps output
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2017-05-19T02:25:20 < englishman> ReadError: beep
2017-05-19T02:25:23 < englishman> hows the microshoop
2017-05-19T02:36:16 < upgrdman> damn i trolled myself too good today. been struggling with some verilog where i read from a UART and shove data into an EBR. my EBR was always output zeros. turns out i never assigned a pin for UART RX. :/
2017-05-19T02:38:52 < upgrdman> totally unrelated: google translate app can now live translate with your phone's camera. so like hold phone over chinglish datasheet, and google will overlay english *live*
2017-05-19T02:40:28 < englishman> uh i used that years ago in yurop
2017-05-19T02:49:18 < upgrdman> englishman, with chinese?
2017-05-19T02:49:29 < englishman> yeah for datasheets etc
2017-05-19T02:49:33 < upgrdman> because half a year ago, google translate could do photos, but not live
2017-05-19T02:49:35 < englishman> but not so much in yurop
2017-05-19T02:49:49 < upgrdman> you had to take photo, touch the text region, and it would print out text
2017-05-19T02:49:56 < upgrdman> now it does live, automatic overlays
2017-05-19T02:50:31 < englishman> maybe they roll out the good features to south california last. to give you time to get used to new technologies
2017-05-19T02:50:38 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-05-19T04:21:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm1BjJNd3JU
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2017-05-19T04:47:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seduction-Anita-Sarkeesian-Andrew-Bushard/dp/1523800305
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2017-05-19T04:52:24 < crt> https://youtu.be/0RCEp0DfTV4?t=1m42s
2017-05-19T04:52:29 < crt> hi Laurenceb_
2017-05-19T04:53:07 < crt> IN FACT, THE RESOLUTION IS QUITE CLEAR AND NOT DISTORTED AT ALL
2017-05-19T04:53:50 < Laurenceb_> woah
2017-05-19T04:54:08 < Laurenceb_> not sure if troll
2017-05-19T04:54:27 < crt> sup
2017-05-19T04:54:33 < crt> that guy is an hero.
2017-05-19T04:56:40 < crt> read about it on ED mate
2017-05-19T04:57:04 < Laurenceb_> ah hero
2017-05-19T04:57:06 < Laurenceb_> woah
2017-05-19T04:58:02 < crt> anon, why haven't you lost an ipod?
2017-05-19T05:00:30 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-05-19T05:00:40 < Laurenceb_> do you know what the Bowden meme is about?
2017-05-19T05:02:14 < Laurenceb_> "PEOPLE?! PEOPLE? WHATS SHE TALKING ABOUT? THEY WERE JUST BODIES! THEY WERE BODIES AND I MADE USE OF THEM! THEY WERE THERE TO BE MADE US OF! THEY HAD COME TOWARDS ME! AND THEY WERE PLACED FOR ME THERE, AS FUEL, FODDER AND COMPOST! ONLY FOR MY USE! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE RESEARCH OF WHICH I AM ENGAGED?!"
2017-05-19T05:02:33 < Laurenceb_> this copypasta is suddenly everywhere
2017-05-19T05:04:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOX9O_kVPeo
2017-05-19T05:07:33 < Laurenceb_> wait thats not a troll...
2017-05-19T05:07:42 < Laurenceb_> I cant even right now
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2017-05-19T05:18:37 < crt> cool
2017-05-19T05:18:44 < crt> the internet is melting your brain
2017-05-19T05:18:52 < crt> guess we have something in common dad
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2017-05-19T05:19:49 < crt> where is englishcat
2017-05-19T05:49:50 < englishman> Steffanx: 2 days and arrow hasnt shipped yet
2017-05-19T05:49:58 < englishman> pretty big wrench in the schedule now
2017-05-19T05:50:00 < englishman> THANKS ARROW
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2017-05-19T05:56:20 < englishman> whaat, allpcb quoting $9 10x10cm 50qty
2017-05-19T05:56:59 < englishman> oh, mm, oops
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2017-05-19T06:03:35 < ohsix> beef
2017-05-19T06:03:50 < ohsix> englishman: what was the oops?
2017-05-19T06:04:51 < englishman> mm, not cm
2017-05-19T06:05:24 < ohsix> englishman: ahh
2017-05-19T06:05:34 < ohsix> that's pretty cheap even for 1cmx1cm
2017-05-19T06:05:51 < ohsix> should i ever find something to make that small :o
2017-05-19T06:06:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: did you only just get a phone that could do it? (live translate)
2017-05-19T06:06:20 < ohsix> there was a small boon of companies that came out the same time that would overlay stuff, solve math problems, tha tkind of junk
2017-05-19T06:09:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, no i've had this phone for 1.5yrs
2017-05-19T06:09:26 < upgrdman> using the same app (google translate) 6 months ago and it didnt have this feature. at least not for chinese
2017-05-19T06:09:57 < upgrdman> in the old app you took a photo, "highlighted" text by touching/smearing over it, and then google would translate it into text
2017-05-19T06:10:05 < upgrdman> now its all automatic and overlaid in place
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2017-05-19T06:52:51 < crt> Wafel
2017-05-19T06:53:03 < crt> wafel32
2017-05-19T07:07:20 < englishman> turntables down undah
2017-05-19T07:18:16 < ReadError> englishman: funny story about the scope
2017-05-19T07:18:19 < ReadError> UPS lost it
2017-05-19T07:18:24 < Thorn> 300V wat http://cdn2.boxtec.ch/pub/diverse/A42.pdf http://cdn2.boxtec.ch/pub/diverse/A92.pdf
2017-05-19T07:18:27 < ReadError> or it got really fucked in shipping
2017-05-19T07:19:09 < englishman> nice
2017-05-19T07:20:10 < ReadError> and koss got his
2017-05-19T07:20:12 < ReadError> and was bitching
2017-05-19T07:20:16 < ReadError> so i just said fuckit
2017-05-19T07:20:35 < englishman> koss bitching
2017-05-19T07:20:37 < englishman> say it aint so
2017-05-19T07:20:45 < Streaker> those transistors are used on the mains in cheap phone chargers
2017-05-19T07:21:07 < ReadError> i want to do a peltier immersion cooler
2017-05-19T07:21:16 < ReadError> like uh 1500W of them
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2017-05-19T07:22:20 < Thorn> are those chargers rated 110V only? 220Vrms is >300Vp-p
2017-05-19T07:23:06 < Streaker> I've seen 600V TO-92s.
2017-05-19T07:23:28 < Thorn> bjt?
2017-05-19T07:23:35 < Streaker> Yup
2017-05-19T07:24:41 < Thorn> nice
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2017-05-19T07:28:09 < upgrdman> i like how the diagram and charts in that datasheet looks like cropped screenshots
2017-05-19T07:28:15 < upgrdman> or cropped scans
2017-05-19T07:28:30 < upgrdman> "good enough."
2017-05-19T07:28:43 < Streaker> I assume they go bang if a bit of dust settles across the pins
2017-05-19T07:29:25 < upgrdman> re: 600v to92's... that could make perfect sense for things intended to be potted or oil bathed
2017-05-19T07:30:02 < upgrdman> for example, the xray shit at my work... some components would arc if used at max ratings in open air
2017-05-19T07:30:48 < Streaker> wall warts are neither
2017-05-19T07:31:02 < upgrdman> true
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2017-05-19T07:55:09 < Thorn> min beta is 60
2017-05-19T07:55:20 < Thorn> not even a darlington
2017-05-19T07:56:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: weird
2017-05-19T07:56:22 < ohsix> maybe they just enabled that on more devices, cuz google io is going on right nwo
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2017-05-19T07:59:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, well i also tried it on a nexus4 (a google phone) a couple years ago, and it didnt have live overlays either
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2017-05-19T08:26:52 < Laurenceb_> >create a dozen genders
2017-05-19T08:26:52 < Laurenceb_> >those genders were created by society thus gender is a social construct
2017-05-19T08:28:02 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, https://pics.onsizzle.com/that-means-i-sometimes-identity-as-or-memri-tv-what-19879780.png
2017-05-19T08:28:59 < Laurenceb_> moar liek meme-ri tv
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2017-05-19T08:33:13 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/oFZPMw9.png
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2017-05-19T08:38:59 < englishman> Laurenceb_: Ontario plans gender-neutral birth certificates
2017-05-19T08:39:33 < Laurenceb_> Ontario is a social construct
2017-05-19T08:40:04 < Laurenceb_> http://research.gold.ac.uk/11135/
2017-05-19T08:51:53 < Laurenceb_> (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
2017-05-19T09:04:05 < upgrdman> lol https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/6c0rob/i_think_ill_pass_xpost_from_rfunny/
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2017-05-19T09:11:31 < Laurenceb_> there are two ways to read that
2017-05-19T09:13:01 < upgrdman> i prefer the violent way
2017-05-19T09:13:24 < upgrdman> hi brother com
2017-05-19T09:13:33 < upgrdman> sup
2017-05-19T09:13:52 < upgrdman> im good. trolled myself at work today for several hours, but it worked out in the end
2017-05-19T09:14:20 < upgrdman> turns out i didnt have one of my signals assigned to an fpga pin
2017-05-19T09:14:48 < upgrdman> i was just like lol, i'll assign this later... and totlally forgot to
2017-05-19T09:15:51 < upgrdman> ya there were no erros
2017-05-19T09:16:00 < upgrdman> but a warning that i totally ignored the fuck out of
2017-05-19T09:16:37 < upgrdman> since Diamond loves to flood with useless warnings (like "carry out not connected in this design" etc bullshit)
2017-05-19T09:17:01 < dongs> < englishman> dongs that looks like a 2d printer
2017-05-19T09:17:02 < dongs> lol
2017-05-19T09:17:09 < Laurenceb_> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrwre9IFPAZDqMX58-DpnX7iAQu00cEH6EJOyZlC8x3lR5DkgN-8TCELlK
2017-05-19T09:17:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, how do you like vivado? i've only used ise and it was meh
2017-05-19T09:18:49 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/70jVa0m
2017-05-19T09:21:59 < upgrdman> R2COM, what do yuo use
2017-05-19T09:22:26 < upgrdman> oh, just using old fpgas?
2017-05-19T09:22:31 < upgrdman> spartan3 or someshit?
2017-05-19T09:22:37 < upgrdman> ah ok
2017-05-19T09:24:04 < upgrdman> verilog or vhdl
2017-05-19T09:24:19 < upgrdman> or full retard and doing schematic entry
2017-05-19T09:24:23 < upgrdman> ok lol good
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2017-05-19T09:50:55 < Steffanx> Why dont you go europro and use vhdl upgrdman
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2017-05-19T09:56:07 < crt> it'd be a shame to blow it up!!
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2017-05-19T09:58:00 < dongs> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/7137693/c01e829c/duitsers_hebben_ook_een_fidget_spinner.html
2017-05-19T09:58:33 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i find vhdl to be needlessly verbose
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2017-05-19T09:59:43 < crt> Ja
2017-05-19T10:00:16 < zyp> dongs, time to get a 3d printer?
2017-05-19T10:00:44 < dongs> oh ive got one.
2017-05-19T10:00:49 < dongs> time to MAKE:R
2017-05-19T10:00:55 < dongs> zyp, your shit is finally getting done this weekend
2017-05-19T10:00:59 < dongs> im back to civilization
2017-05-19T10:01:10 < zyp> oh, heh
2017-05-19T10:01:29 < zyp> I've been so busy with other stuff, I almost forgot about that
2017-05-19T10:01:37 < zyp> but cool
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2017-05-19T10:39:38 < aduering> hello
2017-05-19T10:41:07 < crt> https://youtu.be/4-SggWOxYk4?t=5m3s
2017-05-19T10:41:09 < crt> hi
2017-05-19T10:42:28 < crt> i don't want to do anything to fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffurrrrfer make you angry.
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2017-05-19T10:50:32 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/ASSOgbO.gifv
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2017-05-19T11:25:27 < aduering> Question regarding an STM32F103, using the SDIO with DMA. I'm using Elm-Chans FatFs. For low-level access, I took the example code of the StdPeriph library (stm32054) and rewrote the ReadBlock function to match the Reference Manual (regarding the order of enabling DMA): https://pastebin.com/YRKwGump .
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2017-05-19T11:29:22 < aduering> Under certain circumstances, the code hangs at line 191 (and assert on line 194 is raised). The DMA2,TCIF4 flag is not set, but TransferComplete is set to 1, so the SDIO->DATAEND interrupt flag was set, and the IRQ executed. In this case, only the DMA2->HTIF4 interrupt flag is set, and DMA2->CNDTR4 is 1, although I'd expect 0. Do you have any idea what may cause this? I looked at the errata sheet but didn't find anything related to this
2017-05-19T11:41:03 < ohsix> guh going to have to start scheduling irc
2017-05-19T11:49:56 < zyp> aduering, what sets the TransferEnd flag?
2017-05-19T11:50:01 < zyp> SDIO ISR?
2017-05-19T11:52:16 < zyp> dmaflag will always be true on line 194, since it's not modified since the while condition check, so you're just asserting that transferendcounter is less than 10
2017-05-19T11:53:37 < zyp> so if I'm reading this right, you're asserting that dma will complete within ten iterations of the sdio peripheral saying the transfer ended
2017-05-19T11:54:32 < zyp> sounds like a wonderful way to make a race condition, unless you treat that as a timeout condition and handle/recover accordingly
2017-05-19T11:54:44 < aduering> zyp, yes: https://pastebin.com/ZUqexsGr. I'm reassigning dmaflag on line 195, but under some conditions, it doesn't get set.
2017-05-19T11:55:37 < zyp> you're declared TransferEnd volatile, right?
2017-05-19T11:55:49 < zyp> I assume that's not the problem, since that would give different symptoms
2017-05-19T11:56:03 < zyp> you've*
2017-05-19T11:56:20 < crt> now i'm thinking of my lecturer with his strong english accent... DECLARRRRRRRATION
2017-05-19T11:56:22 < crt> DEFINITION.
2017-05-19T11:57:55 < zyp> aduering, so anyway, the problem is that the SDIO peripheral claims it's done transferring, but the DMA job stops one byte/word short?
2017-05-19T11:58:49 < zyp> if so, try reading some known data and check wether the missing byte/word is at the beginning, end or in the middle of the buffer/job
2017-05-19T12:00:05 < zyp> that'll tell you whether the DMA starts late, stops early or has problems keeping up
2017-05-19T12:05:01 < dongs> sdio on f103, brave
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2017-05-19T12:10:38 < dongs> aduering: why did you take F4 sdio stuff when F1 stdperiphlib comes with a working SDIO + DMA code in exampels
2017-05-19T12:10:53 < dongs> STM32F10x_StdPeriph_Lib_V3.5.0\Utilities\STM32_EVAL\Common\stm32_eval_sdio_sd.c / .h
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2017-05-19T12:21:21 < crt> we;cp,e [eter
2017-05-19T12:21:53 < crt> did you like that one mate?
2017-05-19T12:26:23 < ReadError> how high r u
2017-05-19T12:33:25 < Steffanx> How high r u, crt?
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2017-05-19T12:48:24 < crt> 7/10
2017-05-19T12:53:10 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1950503124/penna-retro-bluetooth-keyboard-starting-as-low-as/ holy fuck
2017-05-19T12:53:13 < dongs> fucking hipsters
2017-05-19T12:58:02 < crt> retrotism
2017-05-19T12:58:20 < crt> no crt either
2017-05-19T12:58:26 < crt> fucking clowns
2017-05-19T13:05:14 < dongs> 99% sure this is some crap tehy're sourcing in china/korea and slapping thier sticker on it
2017-05-19T13:06:28 < dongs> ### Module positions - created on 03/30/17 13:56:14 ###
2017-05-19T13:06:29 < dongs> ### Printed by Pcbnew version kicad 4.0.5
2017-05-19T13:06:36 < dongs> now i have to figure out how to get this garbage imported into my dicknplace
2017-05-19T13:06:45 < dongs> of course its an absolutely random faggot format that makes no sense
2017-05-19T13:10:38 < crt> yes it is garbage
2017-05-19T13:11:47 < crt> TYPING SOUND TEST
2017-05-19T13:11:49 < crt> WHAT THE FUCK
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2017-05-19T13:12:06 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm3z4XKF6D0
2017-05-19T13:12:11 < crt> WHAT FUCK KFKSHGOPDHFPOSDJFIPHSDFH
2017-05-19T13:12:51 < crt> fuck you
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2017-05-19T13:13:37 < dongs> hipster fagggotssssssssssssss
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2017-05-19T13:37:42 < aduering> zyp, TransferEnd and TransferError both are declared as __IO. When I compare the read data with the data displayed in a hex editor, there's a word missing in the middle of the read buffer (e.g. offset 0xb0, 0xd0). So only 508 bytes are written to the read buffer. This happens at different addresses. SDIO->DCOUNT is still 0.
2017-05-19T13:38:35 < aduering> dongs, I didn't actually take F4 stuff. I only looked at the F4 reference manual because it had a READ_BLOCK DMA example. (I ignored the flow control DMA stuff).
2017-05-19T13:39:12 < aduering> So when the DMA can't keep up, is this a clock setting problem?
2017-05-19T13:39:23 < zyp> oh, so it's an overrun issue
2017-05-19T13:39:37 < zyp> doesn't the SDIO peripheral have an overrun status flag to inform you if this happens?
2017-05-19T13:41:41 < dongs> aduering: oic, well, im saying, there's working readblock/readmultipleblock w/DMA in F1 stdperiphlib
2017-05-19T13:41:44 < dongs> ready for copypasting.
2017-05-19T13:41:48 < dongs> or at least comparing what you fucked up
2017-05-19T13:41:58 < dongs> its surprisingly well written for typical ST code too
2017-05-19T13:42:36 < zyp> how fast are you running SDIO?
2017-05-19T13:43:11 < zyp> sounds weird that DMA shouldn't be able to keep up, but then again f1 doesn't have the fastest internal buses
2017-05-19T13:43:35 < dongs> i think 25mhz is the max you can di with it on F1
2017-05-19T13:43:50 < dongs> er 24
2017-05-19T13:44:06 < zyp> i.e. same shit as F4?
2017-05-19T13:44:16 < dongs> yeah
2017-05-19T13:44:56 < dongs> i remember some chats about highspeed mode not working on F1
2017-05-19T13:45:08 < dongs> bypass mode shit or whatever
2017-05-19T13:46:13 < aduering> zyp, there is a interrupt flag, SDIO_IT_RXOVERR, but it doesn't trigger. CLKDIV is set to 1, so HCLK/(2 + 1) = 24 MHz?
2017-05-19T13:47:16 < zyp> dongs, yeah, that's the case on f4 at least
2017-05-19T13:47:17 < aduering> dongs, well, it is based on the example code (will do a diff to find the differences). I just moved the DMA initialization up to conform with what ST writes in their reference manual.
2017-05-19T13:47:32 < zyp> workaround: overclock 48MHz clock to 96MHz and run /2
2017-05-19T13:51:09 < zyp> but eh, SDIO is at most 4-bit and should be way slower than the DMA engine can do
2017-05-19T13:51:38 < zyp> aduering, when you checked the errata sheet, did you look at both the dma and the sdio sections?
2017-05-19T13:51:42 < dongs> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/452-bcfe?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=452-BCFE&newtab=true huh. dell got into egpu biz
2017-05-19T13:52:02 < dongs> at correct price too
2017-05-19T13:52:25 < dongs> all those retards charging $$$ for a fucking power supply and a intel thunderdong controller and pcie slot
2017-05-19T13:57:21 < zyp> "It’s designed with a single cord (6ft) that connects exclusively to the Alienware 13, 15, 17 R2 notebooks, Alpha R2 and X51 R3."
2017-05-19T13:57:31 < dongs> yeah but its just thunderdong3
2017-05-19T13:57:44 < dongs> so you can technically use it with a fagbook
2017-05-19T13:57:47 < dongs> if you're gay enough
2017-05-19T14:01:48 < aduering> zyp, there is no DMA section. Only an SDIO one. There is an "SDIO underrun not detected" one at specific clock configs, though it shouldn't apply (if I calculated correctly https://pastebin.com/p3b6fFEN)
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2017-05-19T14:12:34 < aduering> Though I don't quite get section 22.3: "PCLK2 and SDIO_CK clock frequencies must respect the following condition: Frequenc(PCLK2) * 3/8 x Frequency(SDIO_CK)". It must be exactly equal?
2017-05-19T14:16:15 < aduering> Seems more like a typo from ST, I guess it should be > or >=
2017-05-19T14:41:10 < ReadError> jesus fucking christ
2017-05-19T14:41:26 < ReadError> rounding...
2017-05-19T14:41:29 < ReadError> its nice
2017-05-19T14:51:32 < aduering> So, I tried increasing the clock divisor (176) to decrease the clock speed, but the error still occurs. I'll try another SD card, just need to "prepare" it... (create lots of files so fatfs f_getfree needs lots of operations)
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2017-05-19T15:25:19 < dekar> aduering, we've had issues with DMA SDIO to SDRAM transfers on an F4. It turned out the memory bandwidth simply wasn't enough and thus transfers failed at 24mhz.
2017-05-19T15:25:57 < dekar> Was quite sporadic, though.
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2017-05-19T15:28:59 < invzim> yay, brother-in-law is going to pick up some thermaltronics(metcal) tips for me in the US :)
2017-05-19T15:31:29 < aduering> Okay, the error occurs also on a 4 GB SD card with lots of files... Interestingly, the error didn't occur yet on "fresh" SD cards... I guess because FatFs f_getfree doesn't call ReadBlock very often, then...
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2017-05-19T16:06:30 < aduering> dekar, how did you find out the memory bandwidth wasn't enough? Which clock ran at 24 MHz? The SYSCLK or SDIO_CK?
2017-05-19T16:08:00 < dekar> SDIO_CK was running at 24mhz, the SDIO peripheral gave us some underrun flag and we concluded it after further testing.
2017-05-19T16:09:35 < dekar> IIRC it was completely fine if nothing else was accessing the SDRAM concurrently.
2017-05-19T16:10:25 < aduering> I don't even get an underun flag, that's part of the problem... I'm trying without wide bus operation now and see what happens...
2017-05-19T16:10:44 < dekar> SDRAM was clocked at 84mhz, 16bit wide.
2017-05-19T16:13:35 < dekar> And we also used 4bit operation for the SD card. Switching to 12mhz completely resolved it for us. We still left an assert(false), but the issue never returned.
2017-05-19T16:13:49 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0olc3qJjLM you like naxi vapor like this?
2017-05-19T16:13:54 < kakimir> *nazi
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2017-05-19T16:14:37 < dekar> Also using the internal SRAM instead of the SDRAM also fixed it, yet we needed more space for our FS cache.
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2017-05-19T16:15:22 < aduering> I'm already using the internal SRAM, so that shouldn't be the problem...
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2017-05-19T16:19:02 < dekar> aduering, I'm not sure if the SRAM of your F1 is much faster than the SDRAM on the F4 was.
2017-05-19T16:19:08 < aduering> okay, obviously you can't set the SDIO DMA transfer to DMA_PeripheralDataSize_Byte and DMA_MemoryDataSize_Byte; and using SDIO_BusWide_1b still leads to 4 byte being lost.
2017-05-19T16:19:44 < aduering> dekar, that's why I tried slowing down the SDIO_CK, which didn't help... or maybe I need to slow it even more
2017-05-19T16:22:57 < englishman> are these clock limitations in the errata?
2017-05-19T16:24:51 < aduering> englishman, there's an errata in case [3 x period(PCLK2) + 3 x period(SDIOCLK)] >= (32 / (BusWidth)) x period(SDIO_CK), corrupt data transmission if an underrun occurs.
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2017-05-19T16:47:04 < aduering> Thanks for the help so far. A collegue will bring an F4 eval board on monday, I'll compare and see what happens on there.
2017-05-19T16:48:58 < zyp> wouldn't underruns apply to writes, not reads?
2017-05-19T16:53:40 < aduering> now that you mention it, yes.
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2017-05-19T17:08:41 < Rob235> ugh, I should have slept in later
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2017-05-19T17:11:26 < crt> kopojnobhyijgvhufcgyxdzsd\
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2017-05-19T17:14:31 < qyx> wat
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2017-05-19T17:41:32 < crt> i wantto kis  tenf
2017-05-19T17:57:53 < zyp> crt, are you drunk?
2017-05-19T17:58:30 < crt> was a little bit
2017-05-19T17:58:36 < crt> bumping a few lines of coke
2017-05-19T17:59:21 < crt> nice tame night
2017-05-19T18:00:07 < crt> zyp: should i learn cpp
2017-05-19T18:00:30 < zyp> for what purpose?
2017-05-19T18:01:10 < crt> for great justice
2017-05-19T18:01:18 < crt> do you think its really necessary for MCU
2017-05-19T18:01:47 < zyp> I don't think it's necessary for anything, it just takes some of the tediousness out of C
2017-05-19T18:01:58 < crt> yeah
2017-05-19T18:09:01 < PeterM> yes
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2017-05-19T18:35:02 < Rob235> I was wrong, I only have 852 GB of moocs
2017-05-19T18:37:42 < Rob235> 912 rather
2017-05-19T18:40:00 < Thorn> I have 7.7TB of porn
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2017-05-19T18:43:39 < Laurenceb_> https://www.skyscanner.net/flights-to/fnj/cheap-flights-to-pyongyang-airport.html
2017-05-19T18:43:47 < Laurenceb_> spend your money on something else
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2017-05-19T18:49:10 < Steffanx> Whos your favourite Thorn ?
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2017-05-19T18:52:18 < Rob235> too many men to choose from
2017-05-19T18:54:42 < Rob235> should you take a whole AI course before moving onto a whole course about machine learning? or can you switch to machine learning after just the AI basics
2017-05-19T18:56:36 < jpa-> i wonder what the AI courses are about
2017-05-19T18:57:01 < Rob235> so far its been about searching trees and heuristics
2017-05-19T18:57:15 < jpa-> generally i'd say you don't need much "AI" knowledge for machine learning stuff, as that is more about statistics and math
2017-05-19T18:59:30 < Thorn> Steffanx: https://pp.userapi.com/c836721/v836721520/45d0b/AXc4b16IzBE.jpg
2017-05-19T18:59:55 < englishman> daww
2017-05-19T19:07:28 < Rob235> any reason I shouldnt trust a 5-10 year old external hdd?
2017-05-19T19:07:43 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/rTQ5qvS
2017-05-19T19:08:21 < Laurenceb_> ma waifu
2017-05-19T19:10:02 < Thorn> there was a blog post with like 25 or 30 ML books for a non-academic beginner. can't find it unfortunately
2017-05-19T19:10:15 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/8QC0htY
2017-05-19T19:10:15 < Thorn> I did acquire most of the books though
2017-05-19T19:12:00 < aandrew> Rob235: nah it'll probably work but I wouldn't trust it for any length of time
2017-05-19T19:12:06 < aandrew> back up the data and then use it till she dies
2017-05-19T19:13:02 < Rob235> I'm running out of space and wanted to put my moocs on there.  I guess I'll keep important ones backed up and if I lose the rest, oh well
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2017-05-19T19:13:58 < aandrew> moocs?
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2017-05-19T19:32:07 < Rob235> massive open online courses
2017-05-19T19:32:12 < Rob235> video courses
2017-05-19T19:32:58 < Rob235> easier to listen to a video than to read.  I lose attention so quick when I read :P
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2017-05-19T19:38:28 < Steffanx> special link for englishman http://imgur.com/gallery/vVM4W
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2017-05-19T19:40:31 < englishman> lol
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2017-05-19T19:43:56 < jadew> sears closed down?
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2017-05-19T19:53:17 < englishman> fake news
2017-05-19T19:54:14 < Steffanx> englishman, episode in the ARROW saga. Was supposed to be delivered today, didnt happen.
2017-05-19T19:54:23 < englishman> nice
2017-05-19T19:54:28 < englishman> my shit hasnt even shipped yet
2017-05-19T19:54:32 < englishman> was supposed to be received yesterday
2017-05-19T19:54:35 < englishman> digikey got here yesterday
2017-05-19T19:54:55 < Laurenceb_> fake news
2017-05-19T19:54:59 < Laurenceb_> its fake people
2017-05-19T19:55:15 < englishman> why the fuck is screen so shitty
2017-05-19T19:55:45 < Steffanx> Love.
2017-05-19T19:56:07 < Laurenceb_> ewww
2017-05-19T19:56:18 < Laurenceb_> love of pron stars
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2017-05-19T20:02:08 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/O8Cu3ZV
2017-05-19T20:02:16 < Laurenceb_> gift of the gas
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2017-05-19T20:28:23 < Laurenceb_> https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/17571/just-found-out-my-daughter-has-cp-need-support-and-info
2017-05-19T20:30:22 < jpa-> this is not the cp you are looking for
2017-05-19T20:31:03 < Steffanx> where is the funny part anyway?
2017-05-19T20:31:53 < Steffanx> Didn't God tell you when you post links it should be not too long and funny, Laurenceb_?
2017-05-19T20:32:13 < jpa-> he's certainly managing the not too funny part well
2017-05-19T20:32:42 < Steffanx> sadly,
2017-05-19T20:33:36 < Steffanx> I do wonder how he find this crap. One must be looking for it. but WHY.
2017-05-19T20:33:58 < jpa-> he's on page 354 of google results for "cp"
2017-05-19T20:34:58 < Laurenceb_> nah I'm banned from google
2017-05-19T20:35:22 < jpa-> ah, then he was probably searching for something totally normal on bing
2017-05-19T20:35:59 < Laurenceb_> in uk you get b& from search engines for searching for creepy shit
2017-05-19T20:37:16 < kakimir> went to see alien
2017-05-19T20:37:58 < Steffanx> <spoiler alert> ?
2017-05-19T20:38:13 < Laurenceb_> wait wut
2017-05-19T20:38:21 < Laurenceb_>  _another_ alien film?!
2017-05-19T20:38:38 < Laurenceb_> promethius was almost as bad as birdemic 2
2017-05-19T20:38:49 < Steffanx> better learn how to write it first
2017-05-19T20:38:59 < Steffanx> prometheus
2017-05-19T20:39:10 < Laurenceb_> wutever
2017-05-19T20:39:29 < Steffanx> alien : covenant is the new one.
2017-05-19T20:39:48 < Steffanx> aka prometheus 2.
2017-05-19T20:39:58 < Steffanx> i believe there will be a 3rd one.
2017-05-19T20:40:10 < Rob235> "i just abit want of imformation and what to exspect in the future?" thats kinda funny
2017-05-19T20:40:14 < kakimir> doesn't the latest one like close the loop?
2017-05-19T20:40:15 < Steffanx> i bet you enjoyed sharknado too, Laurenceb_
2017-05-19T20:40:23 < Laurenceb_> sharknado was epic
2017-05-19T20:40:40 < Steffanx> Human Centipede?
2017-05-19T20:40:53 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-05-19T20:41:00 < Streaker> Human Centipede?
2017-05-19T20:41:08 < Steffanx> You dont want to know
2017-05-19T20:41:22 < Steffanx> Dutch Horror.
2017-05-19T20:41:37 < Rob235> or fantasy
2017-05-19T20:41:40 < kakimir> latest alien wasn't so graphic it should have been
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2017-05-19T20:41:51 < kakimir> it was blurry action
2017-05-19T20:42:06 < Rob235> pg13?
2017-05-19T20:42:08 < kakimir> because you don't really want to see all the nasty things
2017-05-19T20:42:12 < Steffanx> All it needs is ripley
2017-05-19T20:42:33 < kakimir> so it became more scifi than thriller
2017-05-19T20:44:23 < kakimir> there wasn't like proper intimacy between the monsters and humans
2017-05-19T20:44:58 < Laurenceb_> sexy tiem
2017-05-19T20:45:08 < Streaker> There's a porno aliens?
2017-05-19T20:45:37 < Steffanx> Better watch The.Lego.Batman.The.Movie kakimir
2017-05-19T20:45:41 < englishman> Steffanx: two packages from arrow just arrived.
2017-05-19T20:45:48 < englishman> still marked as unshipped on their site
2017-05-19T20:46:00 < englishman> good thing i was here
2017-05-19T20:46:10 < Steffanx> :)
2017-05-19T20:46:49 < Steffanx> there is still hope
2017-05-19T20:47:04 < englishman> was about to call up my salesman and bitch him out again
2017-05-19T20:47:15 < englishman> guess he's going to have a good long weekend after all.
2017-05-19T20:51:48 < kakimir> they really like you?
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2017-05-19T21:11:39 < kakimir> you must be named in their phones as "fucker"
2017-05-19T21:13:30 < Steffanx> they just dont do their job properly..
2017-05-19T21:13:42 < kakimir> :D
2017-05-19T21:14:16 < Laurenceb_> “I would put what Mr. Musk is saying about tunnelling in the b******t category,” says Thom Neff, a civil engineer who runs consulting company OckhamKonsult.
2017-05-19T21:14:25 < Laurenceb_> top guy
2017-05-19T21:14:37 < kakimir> why such hater of future Laurenceb_ ?
2017-05-19T21:14:46 < kakimir> shit is future af
2017-05-19T21:16:56 < kakimir> let billionare play!
2017-05-19T21:17:52 < Steffanx> because hating on the internet is fun kakimir. Especially around people that dont give a shit.
2017-05-19T21:18:53 < kakimir> I need these http://www.ebay.com/itm/381979788453?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&var=650917370563&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
2017-05-19T21:18:56 < kakimir> but better
2017-05-19T21:19:04 < kakimir> and way more inexpensive
2017-05-19T21:19:15 < kakimir> better or on par
2017-05-19T21:26:22 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/BwerTN9.gifv
2017-05-19T21:28:23 < kakimir> hah
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2017-05-19T22:09:43 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGLxoKOvzu4 your fav music?
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2017-05-19T22:16:55 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-05-19T22:18:39 < hetii> I have question about stm32f030f4px, as I read in pdf there are one usart1 on pin PA9/PA10 and PA2/PA3, as I tested, it seams that booloader works only on PA9/PA10
2017-05-19T22:19:07 < hetii> is it true or can I also somehow activate bootloader for pins PA2/PA3 ?
2017-05-19T22:26:41 < englishman> according to AN2606, only uart1 has bootloader
2017-05-19T22:26:45 < englishman> so, no
2017-05-19T22:27:09 < englishman> you could write your own bootloader. if your problem can't be solved in hardware
2017-05-19T22:28:23 < englishman> err, i mean, only PA9/10 and PA14/15 have bootloader
2017-05-19T22:28:43 < englishman> and since there's no PA15 on the chip, yeah just pa9/10
2017-05-19T22:32:15 < hetii> hmm
2017-05-19T22:32:39 < hetii> ok so general I have connected this stm32 to esp8266 with esp-link
2017-05-19T22:33:25 < hetii> and probably will need to change a bit this software to put high signal for boot0 pin to enter in proper mode
2017-05-19T22:34:00 < hetii> but whant to ask about some flasher tool for linux that is able to talk via network
2017-05-19T22:34:18 < hetii> I try already  stm32flash
2017-05-19T22:34:41 < hetii> and socat but just end with
2017-05-19T22:34:51 < hetii> Error probing interface "serial_posix", Cannot handle device "/dev/YPort"
2017-05-19T22:35:40 < hetii> so is there any other tool for flashing that works over tcp?
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2017-05-19T22:39:20 < englishman> you can jump to rom bootloader from software, too
2017-05-19T22:39:51 < hetii> hmm
2017-05-19T22:40:54 < hetii> This is brand new chip and there is no software yet on it. But if you say that its possible by software way then it could help me in future, cause then don`t need to wire reset pin and boot0
2017-05-19T22:42:15 < hetii> General I thought at the begining that uart pins are on PA2/PA3 so my board is already made and soldered, don`t want to create new one so need to find solution without changing it
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2017-05-19T22:43:27 < englishman> if its just a prototype pcb, do another rev, and learn your lesson for next time :)
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2017-05-19T23:05:10 < Steffanx> *puke* kakimir.
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2017-05-19T23:10:02 < englishman> hetii: any chance you are Finnish?
2017-05-19T23:11:18 < zyp> hostname is .pl though
2017-05-19T23:12:42 < kakimir> englishman: are you secretly learning finnish?
2017-05-19T23:13:48 < PaulFertser> hetii: you should be able to trivially modify stm32flash so that it works over socat. But you should take care of proper uart initialisation (baud and 8e1 mode) on the other end of the link yourself.
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2017-05-19T23:27:11 < englishman> true wtf material https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frkpkaMNjsQ
2017-05-19T23:28:32 < sync> dufuq
2017-05-19T23:28:35 < kakimir> too long to be a seizure
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2017-05-19T23:31:16 < kakimir> yet another GTA IRL
2017-05-19T23:43:30 < hetii> PaulFertser, yep or I will try to use my old software that emulate tty device and handle terminal ioctl: https://bitbucket.org/hetii/cusetty
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2017-05-19T23:51:48 < hetii> seams that that some bug that don`t set proper parity :/
2017-05-19T23:51:56 < hetii> on esp-link side.
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2017-05-19T23:56:26 < PaulFertser> hetii: yeah, that e parity of the stm32 bootloader is a bitch
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2017-05-19T23:58:48 < hetii> nothing that is not possible to fix :)
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2017-05-20T00:01:09 < hetii> I like esp-link project but its a bit pity regarding luck of functionality like, more uarts or general support for more programmer tools
2017-05-20T00:02:04 < hetii> I plan to add in near future a lot such things to it so if you want I can share my result and you could test it  :)
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2017-05-20T00:09:45 < kakimir> my first ultracap calculation gave bad news
2017-05-20T00:10:13 < kakimir> 400kw heat loss
2017-05-20T00:10:21 < kakimir> 350kw out
2017-05-20T00:17:41 < kakimir> only good way to do stuff and get rid of all the problems related to power transporting, voltage conversions, all the controlling and looking out for stuff not to go off is to buy totaled tesla model s and remove the battery, charger and drivetrain
2017-05-20T00:18:16 < kakimir> and it may even be the cheapest low quantity option
2017-05-20T00:18:45 < kakimir> + can buy night price electricity
2017-05-20T00:20:13 < kakimir> I wonder if tesla model s let's charger charge and drivetrain to pull electricity from pack at same time
2017-05-20T00:23:30 < kakimir> looking prices of salvage cars.. this is getting interestings
2017-05-20T00:24:52 < kakimir> it's $15 plus fees
2017-05-20T00:24:54 < englishman> here kaks
2017-05-20T00:24:54 < englishman> http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/
2017-05-20T00:24:56 < kakimir> nothing
2017-05-20T00:24:59 < englishman> ppl doing this for yeas
2017-05-20T00:25:00 < englishman> years
2017-05-20T00:25:11 < englishman> iirc some fat guy had a talk at defcon 20 about his electric beetle
2017-05-20T00:25:31 < kakimir> this is specific
2017-05-20T00:25:37 < kakimir> I want to abuse tesla tech
2017-05-20T00:25:46 < zyp> production EVs don't let you drive when they have a charger connected
2017-05-20T00:26:10 < kakimir> t
2017-05-20T00:26:12 < kakimir> sure thing
2017-05-20T00:26:13 < zyp> to avoid situations like drivers driving away with the gas nozzle still in the car
2017-05-20T00:26:25 < kakimir> would be expensive and potentially dangerous
2017-05-20T00:26:37 < englishman> what about recharging without stopping
2017-05-20T00:26:41 < englishman> like from a tanker car
2017-05-20T00:27:17 < zyp> there's some prototypes of battery trailers
2017-05-20T00:27:18 < kakimir> road trains were you let your autocruise roll while bumper connection connects electricity
2017-05-20T00:27:36 < zyp> with emphasis on prototypes
2017-05-20T00:28:47 < kakimir> nobody is interested in charger communications as much as in drivetrain comms
2017-05-20T00:29:13 < zyp> so anyway, what is your project?
2017-05-20T00:29:27 < zyp> I haven't been following the conversation
2017-05-20T00:29:33 < kakimir> I have not told
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2017-05-20T00:31:02 < kakimir> I can say it involves rotating stuff that requires high power for short periods of time
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2017-05-20T00:37:55 < kakimir> so you can imagine the size of gasoline engine required that pars with tesla drive unit power
2017-05-20T00:38:03 < kakimir> without turbo
2017-05-20T00:40:31 < kakimir> operating costs
2017-05-20T00:43:20 < kakimir> https://erepairables.com/salvage-cars-auction/cars/tesla/model+s/2016-tesla-model+s-20808501 something that have ate some shit with every edge it has but looks like battery drivetrain is intact
2017-05-20T00:43:46 < kakimir> or better one and sell the panels and doors
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2017-05-20T00:48:49 < karlp> parity e is really good for making people fix shitty busted drivers
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2017-05-20T01:13:54 < ohsix> guy here says he worked at intel on thermal stuff for knights landing
2017-05-20T01:14:37 < ohsix> these' meetings aren't random but it's a hoot to find out someone did a tiny thing on something you've seen or used
2017-05-20T01:17:47 < kakimir> sure there is thousands of dudes workin on intel product space
2017-05-20T01:17:57 < kakimir> cpu* product space
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2017-05-20T02:36:18 < hetii> ok, its a bit painful... so general I have issue with: stm32flash, I don`t know why but when use it via usb2serial adapter he is able to detect my stm32f0 but when I use my software bridge and esp-link i got Failed to init device.
2017-05-20T02:37:02 < hetii> of course the baudrate/speed setting are ok and smt32 is in flash mode by pullup boot0
2017-05-20T02:37:55 < hetii> so i`m not sure if its some timming issue with stm32flash and maybe he get to late answer over my bridge
2017-05-20T02:38:08 < hetii> any clue about such things like this ?
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2017-05-20T02:52:03 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My4j3vgFxbE aer you lucky geyl?
2017-05-20T02:59:29 < crt> hey mate
2017-05-20T02:59:37 < crt> just stick a freaking stroopwafel in your gob
2017-05-20T03:02:14 < crt> am i gonna go to jail
2017-05-20T03:02:25 < crt> COD!
2017-05-20T03:08:06 < kakimir> for what crt ?
2017-05-20T03:08:40 < crt> COD!
2017-05-20T03:09:03 < kakimir> stuff you do with children
2017-05-20T03:09:30 < kakimir> `?
2017-05-20T03:09:31 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9QV5sqMc0U
2017-05-20T03:09:34 < crt> hahahahahahaha
2017-05-20T03:10:01 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqwWkNfGFgc
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2017-05-20T03:13:27 < kakimir> what have you done crt?
2017-05-20T03:14:00 < crt> me
2017-05-20T03:14:10 < crt> woke up, had a shower etc, had some food, went to work
2017-05-20T03:14:49 < crt> crazy innit
2017-05-20T03:15:21 < kakimir> you are weird
2017-05-20T03:15:55 < crt> https://youtu.be/LYgNs7Uqge8?t=3m30s
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2017-05-20T03:18:48 < upgrdman> are there any 4k144 or 4k120 monitors for sale yet. i see lots of tech demos but nothing to buy
2017-05-20T03:20:55 < crt> i wish
2017-05-20T03:21:04 < crt> i just want a fucking LCD that doesn't blur
2017-05-20T03:25:02 < upgrdman> i'd also "settle" for 8k60
2017-05-20T03:25:17 < upgrdman> first world problems, huh
2017-05-20T03:31:35 < kakimir> you clearly have too much money
2017-05-20T03:33:28 < crt> I'M ON THE BONES OF ME ARSE MATE
2017-05-20T03:35:47 < kakimir> yes
2017-05-20T03:37:35 < kakimir> but you are supersmart?
2017-05-20T03:39:39 < crt> that's debatable
2017-05-20T03:43:57 < crt> the undergrads i studied amongst were very boring, no interest or passion for what they were doing
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2017-05-20T03:44:29 < kakimir> now they get a good pay?
2017-05-20T03:44:31 < crt> most of them talked through lectures while playing some faggoty autistic game 'gun bros' on their cuckpads
2017-05-20T03:44:56 < crt> Ps get degrees
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2017-05-20T03:47:25 < crt> 'forget everything you learned there is the general answer'
2017-05-20T03:47:55 < crt> i'd feel embarrassed to be an engineer saying diarrhea such as that
2017-05-20T03:49:30 < kakimir> how can you get engineering degree just by fukkin around?
2017-05-20T03:49:36 < kakimir> I tried.. it's impossible
2017-05-20T03:49:51 < upgrdman> try harder
2017-05-20T03:49:53 < crt> i fucked around for the last year of mine
2017-05-20T03:49:58 < upgrdman> "c's get degrees"
2017-05-20T03:50:09 < crt> still graduated with 'first class honours' whatever the fuck that even means
2017-05-20T03:50:23 < upgrdman> for >half of my graduating class, im not sure i would pay them min wage
2017-05-20T03:50:34 < crt> ^
2017-05-20T03:50:36 < kakimir> I fukked around my 3x first year
2017-05-20T03:51:07 < kakimir> took 3 starts. fun.
2017-05-20T03:51:19 < upgrdman> busy fucking all the sluts?
2017-05-20T03:51:23 < crt> were you playing shit on your ipad?
2017-05-20T03:51:46 < kakimir> on my thinkpad yes
2017-05-20T03:52:41 < kakimir> upgrdman: I wasn't even that smart
2017-05-20T03:52:52 < upgrdman> :(
2017-05-20T03:53:00 < kakimir> or had money
2017-05-20T03:54:37 < crt> better sell that pussy kakimir
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2017-05-20T04:43:08 < englishman> hi honey
2017-05-20T04:43:54 < englishman> someone commented on a months-old unlisted video
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2017-05-20T04:50:18 < crt> :D
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2017-05-20T05:30:42 < englishman> this guy was running for prime minister of canada http://i.imgur.com/C3AE2Q1.jpg
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2017-05-20T05:57:17 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ
2017-05-20T05:57:23 < englishman> juicero tear down
2017-05-20T05:57:27 < englishman> it's amazing
2017-05-20T06:19:27 < crt> stffn im back on the rig
2017-05-20T06:19:50 < crt> Q6 collector is shorted to hot ground
2017-05-20T06:21:49 < crt> THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE
2017-05-20T06:22:29 < crt> that inhibits the gate drivers from starting
2017-05-20T06:22:50 < upgrdman> whats "hot ground"
2017-05-20T06:22:54 < englishman> intoleranceable
2017-05-20T06:23:07 < crt> the negative side of rectified mains
2017-05-20T06:23:19 < crt> you know where the 'ace' connects his scope ground ;)
2017-05-20T06:23:26 < englishman> huhu
2017-05-20T06:24:24 < crt> I was shown the ropes by an old school tv tech
2017-05-20T06:24:33 < crt> so i never got to make that mistake for myself
2017-05-20T06:24:58 < englishman> i read a book
2017-05-20T06:25:04 < englishman> whats a tv
2017-05-20T06:25:14 < crt> fucken crt mate
2017-05-20T06:25:41 < crt> he ran a shop in dah UK for many years
2017-05-20T06:25:49 < crt> i believe he's at least 70 now
2017-05-20T06:26:14 < englishman> UK probably has old stuff like tv
2017-05-20T06:26:20 < crt> yeah
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2017-05-20T06:27:00 < crt> they booted us to an island where we found gold, coal and niggers to slay
2017-05-20T06:27:08 < crt> worked out for the best imo
2017-05-20T06:27:53 < crt> i feel good now
2017-05-20T06:28:07 < crt> i cracked a repair which should have been thrown on the 1st powerup that failed
2017-05-20T06:29:01 < englishman> thats why they pay you the big dollarybux
2017-05-20T06:29:23 < crt> i'm only charging 1hr labour
2017-05-20T06:29:30 < crt> AS PROMISED BRO
2017-05-20T06:30:00 < englishman> if you can do 40-50 of those a day you'll be profitable
2017-05-20T06:30:13 < crt> yeh prolly lol
2017-05-20T06:30:32 < crt> if i can stop the business partner going on a spending spree every fucking day i'll be profitable
2017-05-20T06:30:42 < englishman> and so it begins
2017-05-20T06:31:07  * crt nods
2017-05-20T06:31:46 < englishman> after austerity comes crippling fear, followed by crippling depression
2017-05-20T06:31:52 < englishman> yay startups
2017-05-20T06:32:00 < crt> haha
2017-05-20T06:32:08 < crt> he's turned me into a drill sergeant
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2017-05-20T07:01:39 < crt> here he comes! here comes speed racer!
2017-05-20T07:01:54 < crt> he's a paedo on wheels!!! he's a paedo and he's gonna be chasing after young ones!!!
2017-05-20T07:02:39 < englishman> crt where is your episode of to catch a predator down under
2017-05-20T07:03:05 < crt> i'll have to kickstart it!
2017-05-20T07:05:26 < crt> pledge me fiddy bucks mat
2017-05-20T07:06:11 < crt> e
2017-05-20T07:06:11 < crt> i wont spend it on smack i promise
2017-05-20T07:08:06 < englishman> you should not make promises you cannot keep
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2017-05-20T07:14:15 < crt> is steffan up for some tey lang
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2017-05-20T09:16:22 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBwOOwcwTU
2017-05-20T09:16:49 < ohsix> brazilian stringed instrument ensemble doing tiny desk music
2017-05-20T09:17:58 < dongs> sup CYPRESS2COM
2017-05-20T09:28:13 < dongs> im loading up dicnpalkce
2017-05-20T09:43:01 < dongs> sounds gay as fuck
2017-05-20T09:57:10 < upgrdman> yo
2017-05-20T09:57:58 < upgrdman> dafuq is a bro romper
2017-05-20T10:02:16 < dongs> what kinda shit does R2JEW search to come across articles like these
2017-05-20T10:02:36 < dongs> maybe its from the internal cypress_lol@cypress.in mailing list
2017-05-20T10:02:48 < upgrdman> haha
2017-05-20T10:09:25 < dongs> Just remember: "Internet of things" is just shorthand for the full phrase.
2017-05-20T10:09:26 < dongs> Internet of things that shouldn't be on the internet.
2017-05-20T10:09:28 < dongs> haha
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2017-05-20T10:22:25 < dongs> wow these kyocera crystals are retarded
2017-05-20T10:22:33 < dongs> they have a 2016 crystal mounted on a fucking breakout pcb
2017-05-20T10:22:40 < dongs> to make it like 8x5mm
2017-05-20T10:22:47 < dongs> and this is inside tape & reel
2017-05-20T10:22:53 < dongs> what the shit
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2017-05-20T11:09:45 < crt> enable my IoT
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2017-05-20T11:19:41 < crt> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xJ14CiDL3w
2017-05-20T11:24:21 < dongs> what the shit is cocknut audio
2017-05-20T11:24:24 < dongs> was it some audiophile crap
2017-05-20T11:26:08 < Steffanx> I heard you pothead cracked it crt
2017-05-20T11:26:48 < crt> of course
2017-05-20T11:27:06 < crt> pots pots pots!
2017-05-20T11:28:47 < Steffanx> Sometimes you are even too weird for me, crt...
2017-05-20T11:29:42 < dongs> isntall lunix on desktop
2017-05-20T11:31:35 < dongs> truly
2017-05-20T11:32:27 < Steffanx> I know someone with an iphone, so gay.
2017-05-20T11:32:30 < dongs> why would you run this garbage called "windows" when you can have thousands of halfassed choices for a file manager
2017-05-20T11:32:36 < Steffanx> Meanwhile at apple hq..
2017-05-20T11:32:47 < dongs> the future is about choice
2017-05-20T11:36:04 < Steffanx> And yet you have to mention her. Makes me wonder
2017-05-20T11:36:53 < Steffanx> I wonder how many would think the same about you (and probably me)
2017-05-20T11:37:29 < crt> hi Steffanx
2017-05-20T11:37:35 < crt> are you smashing pots!
2017-05-20T11:37:46 < Steffanx> I dont do that
2017-05-20T11:37:49 < crt> pick it up and just fuckin' SMASH IT
2017-05-20T11:38:03 < crt> its an australian tradition
2017-05-20T11:38:11 < crt> also i saw a broken windmill, it made me think of you.
2017-05-20T11:38:48 < Steffanx> How sad crt
2017-05-20T11:39:09 < Steffanx> When i see DJ crap i think of you stvvn
2017-05-20T11:40:14 < Steffanx> And your russian friends
2017-05-20T11:41:02 < Steffanx> I meant from this chan.
2017-05-20T11:41:14 < crt> Steffanx: thank
2017-05-20T11:41:27 < crt> dj krap is pretty poorly built
2017-05-20T11:41:37 < Steffanx> Na tochku, spravo, sleva. (And other rumbling)?
2017-05-20T11:41:41 < crt> like the plastics can warp under a hot sunny day
2017-05-20T11:41:46 < crt> i'm not kidding
2017-05-20T11:42:04 < crt> u wot mate
2017-05-20T11:42:22 < Steffanx> Suka blyat
2017-05-20T11:42:33 < crt> I've actually got $5000+ of DJ players out of action because the chassis is warped
2017-05-20T11:42:49 < Steffanx> Get your heat gun
2017-05-20T11:43:04 < crt> so you could imagine waiting for parts nobody has ever ordered / non stocked parts
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2017-05-20T11:44:09 < Steffanx> You unfriended my at steam so i dont know what the cool guys play
2017-05-20T11:47:38 < crt> take a flying fuck!
2017-05-20T11:49:46 < dongs> the struggle for chat senpai noticing is real
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2017-05-20T11:53:52 < Steffanx> Are you senpai?
2017-05-20T11:54:06 < Steffanx> Crt needs a zenpai
2017-05-20T11:54:13 < Steffanx> And relax a bit
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2017-05-20T12:02:50 < Adluc> dongs: 'S' stands for Security, as in IoT
2017-05-20T12:08:10 < dongs> he needs t o purchase a .dj domain
2017-05-20T12:08:19 < dongs> crt.dj
2017-05-20T12:08:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/21aHJvr.jpg englishman i think you want my stencil printer
2017-05-20T12:09:20 < dongs> special dickstarter discount
2017-05-20T12:21:04 < dongs> wtf
2017-05-20T12:21:12 < dongs> shitpress psuck has 2 edge holes too
2017-05-20T12:21:15 < dongs> bigger one is on top right..
2017-05-20T12:21:28 < dongs> and these jap cunts didnt even give me a xy for any of the ICs
2017-05-20T12:21:38 < dongs> already noticed one footprint for RS232 driver is backwards
2017-05-20T12:21:44 < dongs> (hooked up correctly,m but pin1 mark is wrong)
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2017-05-20T12:26:18 < crt> m9
2017-05-20T12:27:25 < Streakerr> Refresh Pack descriptions Cannot install Pack ARM.CMSIS.5.0.1: Cannot compile SVD file(s) Refresh Pack descriptions
2017-05-20T12:27:49 < Streakerr> what does this error mean? (I'm installing the CMSIS pack in KEIL)
2017-05-20T12:30:14 < Streakerr> google said something about installing a newer svdconv.exe. I tried that. It didn't help.
2017-05-20T12:30:32 < crt> of course it didnt
2017-05-20T12:30:39 < crt> google is fucked
2017-05-20T12:34:36 < dongs> install new keil
2017-05-20T12:38:00 < crt> keil mate
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2017-05-20T13:03:22 < crt> https://youtu.be/rNFOx7jro14?t=2m20s
2017-05-20T13:03:37 < ohsix> fart
2017-05-20T13:16:58 < ReadError> heard the new keil is full of bugs and trash
2017-05-20T13:18:13 < dongs> im waiting for altidumb18 with integrated TASKING so i can dump KEIL for good
2017-05-20T13:21:18 < ReadError> did they ever fix that dumb DRC push/shove routing crash ?
2017-05-20T13:47:48 < dongs>  http://www.altium.com/documentation/17.1/display/ADES/New+in+Altium+Designer
2017-05-20T13:48:02 < crt> cats
2017-05-20T13:48:03 < dongs> New Retrace Command - Update Existing Routing
2017-05-20T13:48:04 < dongs> Acknowledging the reality that design is an iterative process with lots of give and take, the new Retrace command retraces existing routes (including differential pairs), updating them to meet the current design rule settings.
2017-05-20T13:48:16 < dongs> Selectively Waive DRC Violations
2017-05-20T13:48:17 < dongs> There are situations where you want to allow a specific DRC violation, for example, when a connector hangs over the edge of the board. This release sees the introduction of the new Waive Violation feature, which can be applied and monitored through the PCB Rules and Violations panel.
2017-05-20T13:48:21 < crt> damn straight
2017-05-20T13:48:22 < dongs> cool
2017-05-20T13:48:34 < crt> i like iterative layout
2017-05-20T13:48:45 < crt> good fun
2017-05-20T13:48:46 < dongs> you dont even layout
2017-05-20T13:48:53 < crt> for what i've done mr d
2017-05-20T13:49:02 < crt> i used to hate it
2017-05-20T13:49:05 < dongs> url to pics of your layout
2017-05-20T13:49:19 < crt> this isn't open sauce
2017-05-20T13:49:29 < crt> i'd have to go to a place i worked at
2017-05-20T13:49:37 < crt> and ask them for 'their IP'
2017-05-20T13:50:16 < crt> but in the cumming months i'll be doing a few bordz
2017-05-20T13:50:24 < crt> as i'm going fucking insane repairing turntables
2017-05-20T13:50:40 < dongs> 15707 Added support for object specific keepouts in EAGLE importer.
2017-05-20T13:50:40 < dongs> great
2017-05-20T13:51:06 < crt> lovely
2017-05-20T13:51:21 < crt> i figured you'd throw up if somebody sent you an eagle file
2017-05-20T13:51:22 < dongs> 16404 Fixed a bug that prevented completing a big project release.
2017-05-20T13:51:23 < dongs> thanks
2017-05-20T13:51:29 < crt> ha
2017-05-20T13:51:40 < dongs> 16427 Fixed a bug that caused multi-select to delete random items instead of the selected items.
2017-05-20T13:51:43 < dongs> lul
2017-05-20T13:51:45 < dongs> select shit you want to delete
2017-05-20T13:51:48 < dongs> that sounds great
2017-05-20T13:51:49 < dongs> end up with random shit deleted instead
2017-05-20T13:51:57 < dongs> don't notice it until way later
2017-05-20T13:51:59 < dongs> rage
2017-05-20T13:52:26 < crt> perfect
2017-05-20T13:52:30 < crt> i'd buy that
2017-05-20T13:53:12 < dongs> fuckit
2017-05-20T13:53:17 < dongs> they dont recommend updating but i will anyway
2017-05-20T13:53:25 < dongs> RIP all my designs
2017-05-20T13:53:29 < crt> wtf
2017-05-20T13:53:35 < crt> HEY MATE DON'T INSTALL OUR UPDATE
2017-05-20T13:53:41  * crt scratches head
2017-05-20T13:53:42 < dongs> no they want a clean install
2017-05-20T13:53:47 < crt> i see
2017-05-20T13:53:48 < dongs> instead of update from 17.0
2017-05-20T13:53:52  * crt nods
2017-05-20T13:55:46 < dongs> seems looks ok
2017-05-20T13:55:49 < dongs> shit loads
2017-05-20T13:55:54 < crt> yah
2017-05-20T13:56:17 < crt> what a cunt of a week
2017-05-20T13:56:24 < dongs> still raging at dj gear?
2017-05-20T13:56:31 < crt> just dealing with muppets
2017-05-20T13:56:42 < crt> multilayer boards with internal shorts
2017-05-20T13:56:43 < dongs> e> wat
2017-05-20T13:56:43 < dongs> e> what is or was coconut audio?
2017-05-20T13:56:43 < dongs> ty> sounds like lunix payware to get basic audio on your compu0ter
2017-05-20T13:56:43 < dongs> e> lol
2017-05-20T13:56:44 < crt> just
2017-05-20T13:56:49 < dongs> lulz
2017-05-20T13:56:55 < crt> perfect
2017-05-20T13:57:23 < dongs> http://audiophile.rocks/ wat is this shit
2017-05-20T13:57:33 < dongs> http://audiophile.rocks/orcapower.html
2017-05-20T13:57:35 < crt> i really dont want to click
2017-05-20T13:57:38 < crt> but
2017-05-20T13:57:42 < crt> i have nothing else to do
2017-05-20T13:57:43 < dongs> do it
2017-05-20T13:57:51 < dongs> loool price list
2017-05-20T13:58:09 < crt> noNO NO NOOO FUCK
2017-05-20T13:58:35 < crt> they can stick that where it goes
2017-05-20T13:59:43 < crt> fucking gloryhole gangsters.
2017-05-20T14:00:36 < dongs> Building time: 1-2 months
2017-05-20T14:00:36 < dongs> haha
2017-05-20T14:01:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cIv6Rs8.jpg this is what happens when you design PCB with kikecad
2017-05-20T14:01:09 < crt> better put it in the cryogenic pumping chamber for 139.11124 hours before it is ready
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2017-05-20T14:02:08 < crt> wtf
2017-05-20T14:02:10 < crt> that xtal
2017-05-20T14:02:21 < dongs> yeah thats hte one i was raging about earlier.
2017-05-20T14:02:55 < crt> fair
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2017-05-20T14:03:42 < dongs> im gonna let these dudebros handsolder those DB9s themselves
2017-05-20T14:03:51 < dongs> in whatever correct position they think they should be in
2017-05-20T14:03:59 < crt> yea
2017-05-20T14:04:34 < crt> kicad 4 life
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2017-05-20T14:10:52 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ
2017-05-20T14:10:59 < ReadError> the engineering in this thing fuckin wild
2017-05-20T14:11:11 < dongs> old
2017-05-20T14:11:16 < dongs> there was a proper teardown by actual pros
2017-05-20T14:11:19 < dongs> and not jewtube celebs
2017-05-20T14:11:45 < dongs> i mean AvE hookes up a multimeter to a led and is surprised when it doesnt light up in one direction
2017-05-20T14:12:10 < dongs> and when he says that camera stm32 board is smarter than he is, he's definitely not wrong
2017-05-20T14:12:10 < crt> rofl
2017-05-20T14:12:40 < crt> keep your dick in the vice
2017-05-20T14:12:40 < ReadError> i think he called it an SD micro
2017-05-20T14:12:51 < dongs> what is
2017-05-20T14:13:21 < crt> wtf he thinks a line filter is a boost converter
2017-05-20T14:13:31 < ReadError> 330VDC
2017-05-20T14:13:32 < crt> :~/
2017-05-20T14:13:33 < ReadError> nuts
2017-05-20T14:13:58 < dongs> https://blog.bolt.io/heres-why-juicero-s-press-is-so-expensive-6add74594e50 < proper teardown
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2017-05-20T14:41:46 < Steffanx> expected a more destructive teardown.
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2017-05-20T14:45:57 < crt> yessir
2017-05-20T14:46:07 < crt> a destructive steffan
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2017-05-20T15:04:08 < crt> R2COM SCRAMBLE THE MiGS
2017-05-20T15:12:24 < crt> <blown>
2017-05-20T15:15:37 < crt> <Johnsen> why is my arduino sketch not working
2017-05-20T15:15:37 < crt> <blown>	cause it's fucken rooted mate
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2017-05-20T16:08:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> tomorrow's job: servo motor driving
2017-05-20T16:09:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> If that works: input pulse length recording
2017-05-20T16:09:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> If that works: Torque calibration. If that works: torque loop
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2017-05-20T16:41:53 < crt> Hmm
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2017-05-20T16:52:56 < crt> M8
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2017-05-20T17:04:07 < aandrew> heh that juicero thing is the very definition of engineers running amok
2017-05-20T17:04:31 < aandrew> custom this, megaspec that, I am surprised they didn't self-certify for FCC instead of using a precertified wifi module
2017-05-20T17:05:01 < aandrew> AND that power supply is using expensive dc/dc converters on tp of custom supply bits
2017-05-20T17:07:46 < sync> probably still cheaper than running their own
2017-05-20T17:08:19 < sync> I like their bearing arrangement
2017-05-20T17:08:42 < sync> conical roller bearing to preload the axial thrust bearing
2017-05-20T17:08:53 < sync> also dat 5 axis contouring
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2017-05-20T17:18:22 < ReadError> shame 99.998% of owners will never know
2017-05-20T17:27:13 < aandrew> sync: I may have an interesting project on the horizon
2017-05-20T17:27:42 < aandrew> generating low-noise 20-40khz current sinewaves with an fpga
2017-05-20T17:28:02 < ReadError> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.aspx?sku=248732
2017-05-20T17:28:04 < ReadError> dafug
2017-05-20T17:28:34 < aandrew> generating 3 sines, each driving an h-bridge for a coil. frequency must be stable and accurate to within about .001Hz though
2017-05-20T17:29:34 < sync> I doubt that you need an fpga, but yeah why not
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2017-05-20T17:31:04 < sync> I would possibly use something like a class a amp for that if you really want low noise
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2017-05-20T17:36:30 < dongs> ReadError: super old
2017-05-20T17:36:40 < ReadError> figured asus would have better shit to do
2017-05-20T17:36:48 < dongs> this was on hackaday liek 3 months ago
2017-05-20T17:36:57 < dongs> RAGERBERRY PI KILLER!!!oenone
2017-05-20T17:37:23 < dongs> fuckme, they have those color coded fucking pin headers
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2017-05-20T17:40:16 < dongs> like i wanna buy USB-A sockets with colored tabs
2017-05-20T17:40:22 < dongs> MOQ: 50k units
2017-05-20T17:40:37 < dongs> anus fucking paints .1" headers for a niche product
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2017-05-20T18:01:37 < aandrew> sync: well a tiny FPGA is like $3
2017-05-20T18:02:03 < sync> true
2017-05-20T18:02:04 < aandrew> nah no amp; h-bridge and rely on accurate PWM or PDM to give me low noise
2017-05-20T18:02:21 < aandrew> trick is to regulate current accurately, not voltage
2017-05-20T18:02:28 < sync> sure
2017-05-20T18:03:17 < aandrew> I think I can do this with a little MachXO3. SPI interface to set freq/phase and target current let it run the rest
2017-05-20T18:03:38 < aandrew> use a cheap nrf51 to do the control and run the wireless, I think it could be done very inexpensively
2017-05-20T18:03:52 < aandrew> alternative is two MCUs (nrf and whatever with good PWM)
2017-05-20T18:04:12 < aandrew> current is two MCUs (nrf and NXPsomething using a codec driving a class D which is fucking nuts)
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2017-05-20T18:35:44 < aandrew> hm, to do current regulation I'd have to read analog currents on the 3 bridges pretty fast
2017-05-20T18:36:06 < englishman> dongs, nice stencilling
2017-05-20T18:36:20 < englishman> been doing this 0.3mm pin and 0.4mm qfn board for a few days
2017-05-20T18:36:26 < aandrew> low-side sense + adc at least 80ksps
2017-05-20T18:36:32 < aandrew> balls that's a fairly big wrinkle
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2017-05-20T18:41:30 < dongs> englishman: the best part is after a bunch of boards, it was still pasting same
2017-05-20T18:41:39 < dongs> and I didnt have to move the alignment either
2017-05-20T18:42:11 < dongs> so repeatability is pro, which i like
2017-05-20T18:42:25 < dongs> also dropping exactly vertically helps to keep those nice clean edges of paste
2017-05-20T18:42:35 < dongs> even a slight angle during pickup tends to want to smear
2017-05-20T18:42:50 < dongs> er pickup = during lifting of stencil
2017-05-20T18:51:13 < aandrew> maybe I can do this by bastardizing an LVDS input
2017-05-20T18:51:27 < aandrew> I only need about 80ksps
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2017-05-20T19:34:44 < sync> aandrew: how about rolling your own ΔΣ?
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2017-05-20T20:50:08 < englishman> yeah so dongs when is the preorder
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2017-05-20T21:34:44 < Steffanx> d+ /...........................................
2017-05-20T21:34:55 < Steffanx> whops
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2017-05-20T22:13:04 < Thorn> audio codec on 746 disco costs about as much as the f746 itself
2017-05-20T22:19:35 < englishman> 72-W-CSP (4.5x4.3)
2017-05-20T22:19:36 < englishman> cool
2017-05-20T22:20:16 < englishman> that discoboard is pretty good value then
2017-05-20T22:21:28 < englishman> 2x2W speaker drivers onchip
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2017-05-20T22:56:55 < Thorn> btw wolfson has an appnote on manual assembly of wlcsp. "do not use metal tweezers" lol
2017-05-20T22:58:18 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-05-20T23:02:11 < zyp> dongs, what stencil printer?
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2017-05-20T23:38:58 < aandrew> sync: yeah I might do that
2017-05-20T23:39:24 < sync> with an fpga it is easy
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2017-05-20T23:52:00 < ReadError> http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-slammed-michelle-obama-no-head-scarf-melania-did-saudi-arabia-612958
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2017-05-20T23:56:36 < Rob235> bah, any easy way to compare two sets of video files :P
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2017-05-21T00:01:18 < zyp> compare how?
2017-05-21T00:09:59 < Rob235> its a video course, I have two sets downloaded, one is older but higher quality I believe, the newer one has more recent files but lower quality
2017-05-21T00:10:14 < Rob235> see if any of the videos were changed in the new version
2017-05-21T00:10:19 < Rob235> otherwise id rather keep the old
2017-05-21T00:14:32 < zyp> short of comparing the length, I don't have any good suggestions
2017-05-21T00:15:03 < zyp> if there's a difference in length, there's also some difference in contents
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2017-05-21T00:16:44 < Thorn> encode both into jpeg sequences of equal size, delete most frames (leave 1 per second max), then subtract jpegs with corresponding frame numbers
2017-05-21T00:16:59 < Rob235> yea, I thought about that.  I think I'll check length and first and last sentences.  should be able to tell by tone and whatnot if it is any different, and length would tell if any changes were made anywhere in the middle
2017-05-21T00:17:00 < Thorn> then look over resulting thumbnails in weendows explorer/finder
2017-05-21T00:17:32 < Rob235> that was a suggestion I found on GooGlE
2017-05-21T00:17:34 < Thorn> if there are parts where subtracted images are significantly non-black that means they were changed
2017-05-21T00:18:17 < Thorn> but really if they rerecorded anything then lengths must have changed
2017-05-21T00:22:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/E3V9bUP.jpg
2017-05-21T00:28:39 < Rob235> damn, about half are different lengths.  I might as well just keep all the new ones, quality difference isn't that bad
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2017-05-21T00:38:57 < invzim> are the pinouts for stm32 available in a table friendly format somewhere?
2017-05-21T00:39:24 < invzim> decided to make my own altium part that lists all the alternate functions
2017-05-21T00:39:24 < Thorn> datasheets (2 tables, 2nd one lists AFs), cube
2017-05-21T00:39:46 < invzim> paste from datasheet doesn't work properly
2017-05-21T00:40:33 < Thorn> cube might generate some kind of reports (never tried it)
2017-05-21T00:40:51 < Thorn> what material is this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10-Pcs-Inductor-Coils-Green-Toroid-Ferrite-Cores-10mm-x-6mm-x-5mm/32409010689.html
2017-05-21T00:40:56 < invzim> I'll guess I'll just go crazy with copypaste
2017-05-21T00:43:14 < sync> ask the seller Thorn
2017-05-21T00:43:34 < Thorn> they'll say "ferrite" lol
2017-05-21T00:44:49 < sync> yeah, then don't buy off them
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2017-05-21T00:48:21 < Steffanx>   hah englishman, ARROW is already failing. :P
2017-05-21T00:54:48 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2017-05-21T00:55:36 < Steffanx> How was your day my 2nd favourite finlander?
2017-05-21T00:55:53 < kakimir> tired but working on sand blaster
2017-05-21T00:56:14 < kakimir> made a door and hinged it too
2017-05-21T00:56:36 < Steffanx> pro metal worker?
2017-05-21T00:56:56 < kakimir> lemme see if I can upload something
2017-05-21T00:57:26 < kakimir> I can build stuff sufficiently nowdays
2017-05-21T00:59:27 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTTg2ZmR3cWhnVmc/view?usp=sharing dirty shortcut. use "hot steel glue gun" to place and adjust them hinges
2017-05-21T01:00:47 < kakimir> my normal way is to make all adjustable and finetuneable with complex screw fuckery
2017-05-21T01:02:29 < kakimir> frame will have full glass in it with 2 big holes for latex
2017-05-21T01:02:34 < kakimir> gloves
2017-05-21T01:04:11 < kakimir> glass will be mounted to the frame with 2sided thick foam tape
2017-05-21T01:04:23 < kakimir> then some bond+seal around
2017-05-21T01:04:58 < kakimir> to secure it in place
2017-05-21T01:05:40 < kakimir> when glass needs replacing just cut the foam and bondseal with carpet knife
2017-05-21T01:06:13 < kakimir> foam gives just enought room for blade to fit
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2017-05-21T01:06:43 < sync> put a clear foil over the glass, that will significantly cut down on the replacing
2017-05-21T01:07:49 < kakimir> I planned to use those dimming films they use in cars
2017-05-21T01:08:11 < kakimir> 5%
2017-05-21T01:09:37 < kakimir> cheapish - installing is straightforward and they say their product is "durable" so will see about that
2017-05-21T01:13:00 < kakimir> do you have any other idea sync ?
2017-05-21T01:13:43 < kakimir> friend said I should install some pieces of standard glass inside in critical areas with bond+seal or silicone
2017-05-21T01:13:49 < kakimir> and just keep replacing them
2017-05-21T01:21:02 < sync> Well
2017-05-21T01:21:09 < sync> It is annoying
2017-05-21T01:21:22 < sync> Some use wire mesh infront
2017-05-21T01:21:35 < sync> Or use hardcoated glass
2017-05-21T01:22:16 < kakimir> I have hardened glass ordered
2017-05-21T01:22:56 < kakimir> that is not equal to hardcoated I guess?
2017-05-21T01:25:10 < sync> Yes
2017-05-21T01:26:51 < sync> You can also use sapphire
2017-05-21T01:26:54 < kakimir> some talked about airjets and stuff but 0,7squaremeter is way too much to sufficiently blow the bouncing sand from all the area
2017-05-21T01:29:53 < kakimir> power of my vacuum would also be a limit then because keeping of the negative pressure is must
2017-05-21T01:31:38 < sync> Huh? all the cabinets I have used vent to the atmosphere
2017-05-21T01:31:57 < ReadError> you are using a venturi vacuum ?
2017-05-21T01:31:59 < sync> Some have a blower to direct the dust
2017-05-21T01:32:18 < kakimir> I will have cyclone filter soon
2017-05-21T01:32:24 < ReadError> oh a shopvac
2017-05-21T01:32:30 < ReadError> cyclone filters r awesome
2017-05-21T01:32:39 < ReadError> i run 2x in a row
2017-05-21T01:32:42 < ReadError> series
2017-05-21T01:33:00 < sync> Dat inefficiency
2017-05-21T01:33:11 < ReadError> dont matter, works
2017-05-21T01:33:20 < kakimir> I have ~3 400V 3kw blower unit I wonder if it will be any good
2017-05-21T01:33:21 < ReadError> the 2nd gets the super fine shit
2017-05-21T01:34:21 < sync> idk I just regularily clean my hepa filter
2017-05-21T01:35:16 < kakimir> I would place a cotton bag as secondary
2017-05-21T01:35:30 < kakimir> and my lungs as the final fine filter
2017-05-21T01:37:17 < kakimir> sync: what do you think about using water in my cyclone?
2017-05-21T01:37:32 < ReadError> uh no
2017-05-21T01:37:40 < ReadError> it would make a huge mess
2017-05-21T01:37:46 < ReadError> and make things humid as fuck
2017-05-21T01:37:59 < kakimir> maybe
2017-05-21T01:38:16 < ReadError> why water..
2017-05-21T01:39:47 < kakimir> to bind particles
2017-05-21T01:40:57 < kakimir> I will use 200litre barrel as cyclone with special cover that has directional inflow and center outflow
2017-05-21T01:43:02 < kakimir> but maybe have water at bottom with axial flow stopper fins so particles that fall down will be permanently bonded to water
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2017-05-21T01:43:35 < kakimir> I have hard time believing the efficiency of cyclone filter before I try it out
2017-05-21T01:45:02 < sync> a proper cyclone will get a lot of stuff
2017-05-21T01:45:14 < sync> do a cfd sim
2017-05-21T01:47:03 < kakimir> you did one for yours?
2017-05-21T01:47:14 < kakimir> I don't doubt that
2017-05-21T01:50:04 < sync> I don't have one but I made one for a friend some time ago
2017-05-21T01:50:22 < sync> but yeah, I did cfd sims for it back in school
2017-05-21T01:52:58 < kakimir> is it 200litre barrel?
2017-05-21T01:53:28 < sync> no. custom made from sheet metal
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2017-05-21T01:58:40 < kakimir> oh it needs to have that shape at bottom
2017-05-21T01:58:45 < kakimir> cone shape
2017-05-21T02:04:52 < kakimir> I think I may have seen such cone somewhere
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2017-05-21T02:14:06 < kakimir> I think such device is so simple there can be simplified formulas to form optimalish solutions
2017-05-21T02:23:05 < sync> a cyclone is pretty difficult to get efficient for different particulate sizes and weights
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2017-05-21T02:34:02 < kakimir> fuu
2017-05-21T02:49:43 < kakimir> I wonder if rotating water would create any efficient geometry
2017-05-21T02:51:16 < englishman> Steffanx: rofl
2017-05-21T02:51:19 < englishman> what's the issue
2017-05-21T02:51:52 < englishman> zyp: self made, pneumatic apparatus
2017-05-21T02:57:40 < ReadError> n e pics
2017-05-21T02:58:20 < ReadError> kakimir: https://photos.smugmug.com/Phone/i-38bxCSt/0/4b7fddd6/X2/CA_12151314233265-X2.jpg
2017-05-21T03:03:44 < kakimir> nice
2017-05-21T03:03:53 < kakimir> what do you have in that bucket+
2017-05-21T03:07:59 < kakimir> sand?
2017-05-21T03:12:28 < kakimir> englishman: how is your training going for being deployed as canadian secret agent in finland?
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2017-05-21T03:24:11 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/RgIuQDY
2017-05-21T03:25:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> I was gonna try scaling a cyclone down
2017-05-21T03:25:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> Have like a 15cm diameter, max
2017-05-21T03:29:09 < Laurenceb_> what for?
2017-05-21T03:31:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> sawdust
2017-05-21T03:35:23 < aandrew> heh this nordic board is funny
2017-05-21T03:35:28 < aandrew> nrf52840-preview-dk
2017-05-21T03:35:37 < Laurenceb_> just http://imgur.com/MxITsTe
2017-05-21T03:35:39 < aandrew> 80% of it is JLink
2017-05-21T03:35:45 < aandrew> the last 20% is actually nrf
2017-05-21T03:36:48 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: are you the one drawing these things?
2017-05-21T03:37:02 < Laurenceb_> yes
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2017-05-21T03:55:21 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/gallery/sYZnzpK
2017-05-21T04:05:21 < aandrew> kakimir: lol
2017-05-21T04:07:12 < ReadError> kakimir: thats the dust it collected
2017-05-21T04:08:22 < kakimir> collected from?
2017-05-21T04:08:28 < ReadError> cutting g10
2017-05-21T04:09:38 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Phone/i-xRhrvRJ/0/a269dab8/X2/CA_12141314573731-X2.jpg
2017-05-21T04:10:04 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Phone/i-MNvjr6Q/0/674016a0/X2/CA_01061414473793-X2.jpg
2017-05-21T04:10:24 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Phone/i-XD9DFfP/0/43a8eb6e/X3/CA_01161414533751-X3.jpg mm
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2017-05-21T04:26:36 < Laurenceb_> bitches don't know about my ontologic of amnitoics
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2017-05-21T04:54:48 < aandrew> https://www.cubeatsystems.com/ntshell/index.html
2017-05-21T04:54:49 < aandrew> nice!
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2017-05-21T05:09:10 < englishman> kakimir: my fiskars broke
2017-05-21T05:09:14 < englishman> finland can go to hell
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2017-05-21T05:11:10 < crt> englishman:
2017-05-21T05:11:33 < englishman> hello tech
2017-05-21T05:11:47 < crt> hello welcome HAVE ROOM HAVE CONDOM HAVE KY FULL TAKE CARE DO EVERYTHING FUCK ASS FUCK PUSSY SUCK YOUR DICK LICK YOUR BALL LICK YOUR ASS FUCK LONG WAYS FOOTJOB BLOWJOB HANDJOB FOOTJOB PUSSY JOB ASSJOB FUCK MY ASS COME IN MY MOUTH FUCK MY MOUTH CUM IN MY ASS FUCK MY ASS CUM IN MY FACE look at my eyes i do welcome
2017-05-21T05:11:50 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Occ48Dx.jpg
2017-05-21T05:12:06 < crt> awesome dong :D
2017-05-21T05:13:15 < englishman> walls englishman has built: 1
2017-05-21T05:13:20 < englishman> walls trump has built: 0
2017-05-21T05:13:21 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/1SmrTBb.jpg
2017-05-21T05:13:39 < crt> nice!
2017-05-21T05:13:42 < crt> what are you did.
2017-05-21T05:14:04 < englishman> hops are growing there
2017-05-21T05:14:25 < crt> very good
2017-05-21T05:14:32 < crt> does that mean you're gonna brew some alcohol
2017-05-21T05:14:53 < englishman> it does
2017-05-21T05:16:21 < englishman> we got these from six 1st year plants last fall http://i.imgur.com/rEvT6Kb.jpg
2017-05-21T05:16:44 < crt> haha yeah i remember that pic
2017-05-21T05:16:53 < crt> so wtf do you do with them other than brewing booze
2017-05-21T05:17:03 < englishman> thats it
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2017-05-21T05:23:49 < crt> i see
2017-05-21T05:24:18 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9q0G64DM/ROFL.mp4
2017-05-21T05:24:21 < crt> anyway
2017-05-21T05:24:41 < crt> a very strange stm32 irc'er sent me that
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2017-05-21T05:29:35 < aandrew> that could be any one of us
2017-05-21T05:30:05 < crt> greetings andrew
2017-05-21T05:30:17 < aandrew> howdy
2017-05-21T05:31:02 < crt> englishman is brewing the stm32 official beer
2017-05-21T05:34:47 < aandrew> oh?
2017-05-21T05:37:27 < crt> yah keilpro
2017-05-21T05:37:39 < crt> 9.5% alkahole
2017-05-21T05:39:56 < englishman> thanks for the transcription crt
2017-05-21T05:41:03 < crt> yeah i find it helps
2017-05-21T05:41:18 < crt> i had to read it as text
2017-05-21T05:41:41 < englishman> so that is aandrew's trip to tai wan
2017-05-21T05:41:45 < crt> yeah
2017-05-21T05:41:51 < crt> get a good pussy job
2017-05-21T05:42:29 < crt> rubbing your knob against a taiwanese axewound
2017-05-21T05:43:33 < crt> that's fuckin' living mate
2017-05-21T05:44:02 < crt> indonesian girls do a rip start on ya
2017-05-21T05:45:36 < aandrew> that's what you call a full service girl
2017-05-21T05:47:09 < crt> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rip%20start
2017-05-21T06:25:51 < dongs> zyp: my dickstarter proj
2017-05-21T06:25:57 < dongs> (stencil
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2017-05-21T06:42:02 < tpw_rules> i have a 4 byte eeprom counter which must be written atomically. is there a way to do that on an STM32L0
2017-05-21T06:42:14 < tpw_rules> i don't really care how crazy it gets but it has to be atomic
2017-05-21T06:42:31 < tpw_rules> or let
2017-05-21T06:42:40 < tpw_rules> scratch that, wrong button
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2017-05-21T06:54:30 < englishman> 4 bytes = 32 bits right
2017-05-21T06:54:57 < tpw_rules> yes
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2017-05-21T06:56:25 < englishman> maybe explain the problem
2017-05-21T06:56:34 < tpw_rules> what do you mean
2017-05-21T06:56:59 < englishman> well, if you problem is writing 32 bits to memory all at once, 32-bit architecture makes that easy
2017-05-21T06:57:09 < tpw_rules> eeprom isn't 32 bits though
2017-05-21T06:57:14 < tpw_rules> what if power dies in the middle
2017-05-21T06:57:19 < englishman> you mean an actual external eeprom
2017-05-21T06:57:24 < tpw_rules> no i mean the internal one
2017-05-21T06:57:29 < tpw_rules> in an stm32L0
2017-05-21T06:57:32 < englishman> oh, L0
2017-05-21T06:58:13 < englishman> is that not 32bit data bus
2017-05-21T06:58:22 < tpw_rules> yes it is
2017-05-21T06:58:33 < tpw_rules> but that still doesn't guarantee that the eeprom write is completed atomically
2017-05-21T06:59:10 < tpw_rules> what happens if power fails in the middle
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2017-05-21T06:59:30 < englishman> pretty sure if you want to write out memory during a battery pull, a supercap will be in your future
2017-05-21T06:59:44 < tpw_rules> i mean i don't care if it doesn't happen
2017-05-21T06:59:54 < tpw_rules> i just want a way to be able to end up with either it happened or it didn't happen
2017-05-21T07:00:02 < tpw_rules> or a way to tell if it failed
2017-05-21T07:00:34 < tpw_rules> but i can't have the situation where i thought it happened and the value was corrupt cause i lost power
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2017-05-21T07:01:45 < tpw_rules> but i want some algorithm to be able to either get back the old value or be sure the new value got written. swapping addresses, checksums, whatever
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2017-05-21T07:56:26 < englishman> <R2COM> You have to make your OWN BEER? Clearly you are too poor to enjoy the finer things in life. I can go to any corner store and buy the finest alcohol ever created, Bud Light Friday Night Margherita Key Lime Cocktail and I have bought over 1200 cans of this product. You are clearly too dumb and poor to enjoy this first world lifestyle like I live every
2017-05-21T07:56:26 < englishman> day. Thanks Trump!!
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2017-05-21T08:54:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> oh, dumb. Of course the stlink doesn't p[rovide 5V
2017-05-21T08:57:58 < upgrdman> tpw_rules, "ping pong" between two, and a checksum
2017-05-21T08:58:20 < upgrdman> well, two checksums i guess
2017-05-21T09:09:03 < ohsix> burp
2017-05-21T09:09:32 < ohsix> gray codes my man
2017-05-21T09:11:45 < ohsix> if you write the word that marks the newest entry last, you've got a pretty small window for problems
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2017-05-21T09:13:34 < crt> Hello welcome!
2017-05-21T09:14:49 < crt> - Have room have condom, have KY! Full take care, do everything, fuck ass fuck pussy.
2017-05-21T09:23:50 < crt> CHEWING SUGARFREE GUM LIKE EXTRA IS PROVEN TO BENEFIT DENTAL HEALTH AS IT HELPS NEUTRALISE PLAQUE ACIDS
2017-05-21T09:30:34 < ohsix> i'm jelly of all that free time
2017-05-21T09:54:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3jDVuHCD8 o6-class performance there
2017-05-21T09:56:07 < crt> good work
2017-05-21T09:56:45 < crt> chinese lol
2017-05-21T09:57:14 < crt> would you even dongs
2017-05-21T10:00:10 < dongs> i would not
2017-05-21T10:00:58 < crt> quite a filthy channel
2017-05-21T10:08:24 < dongs> a very specific audience
2017-05-21T10:08:31 < dongs> of poor fucks who won't spend more than $1 on a computer
2017-05-21T10:10:08 < crt> yeah
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2017-05-21T10:10:36 < zyp> dongs, link?
2017-05-21T10:10:50 < dongs> zyp, just my imgur links
2017-05-21T10:11:13 < dongs> and i think jewtube
2017-05-21T10:11:13 < zyp> I saw one, of a pasted board, got any more?
2017-05-21T10:11:36 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqovFp5HOU
2017-05-21T10:12:29 < dongs> solves frame problem by stretching thing and vertical separation
2017-05-21T10:12:38 < crt> timepro
2017-05-21T10:14:24 < zyp> not sure what I'm looking at
2017-05-21T10:15:46 < crt> same but i like it
2017-05-21T10:16:05 < dongs> i could link to some cocks if that helps
2017-05-21T10:16:46 < dongs> zyp, top frame stretches a stencil, pcb goes on bottom plate, lifts up to touch the stencil. micrometer adjustments for height so its level w/stencil. push butan to raise/drop platform.
2017-05-21T10:20:58 < zyp> how does pcb mount?
2017-05-21T10:22:12 < dongs> magnetic standoffs on that bottom sheetr
2017-05-21T10:22:18 < dongs> sheet-platform
2017-05-21T10:22:27 < zyp> oh, right
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2017-05-21T10:42:19 < crt> i want to see the whole thing
2017-05-21T11:18:50 < dongs> god damn chinese pcbs are fucking gross
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2017-05-21T11:54:03 < dongs> and they make already a cunty to solder connector even worse
2017-05-21T11:54:08 < dongs> these pcb-edge USB-C shits
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2017-05-21T12:02:02 < Steffanx> The issue is that they were supposed to ship 2nd part friday.
2017-05-21T12:02:09 < Steffanx> @ mr englishman
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2017-05-21T12:20:54 < dongs> http://audiophile.rocks/headphone.html
2017-05-21T12:20:55 < dongs> haha
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2017-05-21T12:24:58 < dongs> http://audiophile.rocks/sata.html oh look, a fucking TURD inside your PC
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2017-05-21T12:26:19 < crt> i refuse to believe this is actually real
2017-05-21T12:27:09 < dongs> What does H2U2 stand for?
2017-05-21T12:27:10 < dongs> It stands for Holy Crystal Treatment, Hyper Crystal Treatment, Ultra Transparent Crystal Treatment, 2-stage Unreal Crystal Formula. This is the best filtering we have ever produced which has taken 6 years of fine-tuning to make it perfect.
2017-05-21T12:27:51 < dongs> Technology
2017-05-21T12:27:51 < dongs> We don't have a white paper or proof that our products work, because this is something that is obvious after you listen to them. For those who want to know how they are built, continue reading.
2017-05-21T12:29:51 < crt> well i got a coffee machine
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2017-05-21T12:30:03 < crt> that's my stick and i'm sticking to it
2017-05-21T12:30:14  * crt waves stick
2017-05-21T12:35:18  * dongs waves dick
2017-05-21T12:41:36 < zyp> dongs, haha
2017-05-21T12:41:42 < zyp> «Unreal Pro SATA cable cleans noise from the computer so you can enjoy crystal clear and super detailed sound. By plugging it into an available SATA port of the motherboard the noise is drawn out from the computer and cleaned inside the Unreal Pro SATA cable. The other end doesn't need to be plugged into anything to enjoy the benefits.»
2017-05-21T12:44:11 < crt> lol
2017-05-21T12:44:33 < crt> well if ppl are hyperlooping why not all this other bs
2017-05-21T12:45:23 < crt> tecnologies are approaching the fundamental limits of physics so this is our future
2017-05-21T12:47:01 < Thorn> I made a mistake of reading some .ru audio designer forums yesterday. they do listening tests of output stage BJTs and every one of them allegedly sounds different. how is it even possible in a low distortion design
2017-05-21T12:47:15 < crt> it isnt
2017-05-21T12:47:33 < crt> the fucken quasi complementary mate
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2017-05-21T12:56:55 < crt> sniff it
2017-05-21T12:58:44 < crt> RSN3306
2017-05-21T12:59:21 < crt> full audiophile quality mate
2017-05-21T12:59:38 < crt> hybrid modules have the best fidelity because. . .. .
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2017-05-21T13:44:30 < dongs> fucccck these chink USB-C connectors are terrible
2017-05-21T13:44:37 < dongs> needs so much force to click it wtf
2017-05-21T14:06:52 < crt> hmmm
2017-05-21T14:07:15 < crt> are there actually good brands
2017-05-21T14:07:41 < crt> quality in anything seems to be on a decline
2017-05-21T14:08:05 < crt> i have to buy a new laptop for my business trip, can't wait to watch it fall to bits in 6 months
2017-05-21T14:12:48 < Steffanx> Macbook pro
2017-05-21T14:14:22 < crt> does it run windows 10
2017-05-21T14:14:28 < zyp> or just anything that is not cheap as fuck
2017-05-21T14:14:36 < zyp> you kinda get what you pay for
2017-05-21T14:15:04 < zyp> or rather, you don't always get what you pay for, but you certainly won't get anything you haven't paid for
2017-05-21T14:16:10 < crt> i agree
2017-05-21T14:24:44 < dongs> < crt> does it run windows 10
2017-05-21T14:24:48 < dongs> it does but its fucking awful
2017-05-21T14:24:54 < dongs> touchpad is fucking trash on fagbooks
2017-05-21T14:25:10 < dongs> i installed win10 on 2016 fagbook w/o gay bar
2017-05-21T14:25:13 < crt> better throw the mac in a bin then
2017-05-21T14:25:17 < dongs> not recommended
2017-05-21T14:25:42 < crt> imac 27" is a good winpro rig
2017-05-21T14:26:09 < dongs> if youre a fag
2017-05-21T14:26:21 < dongs> cuz for less than that price you can get a desktop + 4K monitor
2017-05-21T14:26:58 < Steffanx> and install hackintosh
2017-05-21T14:27:03 < dongs> .. no
2017-05-21T14:28:04 < Steffanx> :P
2017-05-21T14:31:29 < crt> fuck
2017-05-21T14:31:36 < crt> hackintosh niggers
2017-05-21T14:41:59 < Steffanx> lol they would just steal a macbook
2017-05-21T14:42:02 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002CYTL2/
2017-05-21T14:42:47 < Steffanx> good old playmobile.
2017-05-21T14:42:52 < Steffanx> -e
2017-05-21T14:50:58 < crt> Schutzstaffel
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2017-05-21T14:59:41 < crt> Step 1 scan the Jew to locate the jewgold
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2017-05-21T15:00:33 < Steffanx> step 2.
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2017-05-21T15:08:04 < Steffanx> oh noes, it's real: "... social class men and women: a test of the Blaxter hypothesis". Damn you Laurenceb
2017-05-21T15:10:09 < crt> Tendiesb
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2017-05-21T15:48:42 < Ecco> Hi guys. I was wondering, how do you profile execution on an STM32?
2017-05-21T15:48:53 < Ecco> Ideally, using an STlink v2 and open source tools
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2017-05-21T15:54:58 < PaulFertser> Ecco: the easiest but somewhat crude method would be to ask openocd to write gprof data. You can also make polling period smaller to improve granularity.
2017-05-21T16:45:25 < Ecco> Hey Paul, thanks for chiming in. Why "crude"?
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2017-05-21T17:36:01 < invzim> what do you call PA0-PA15 in st lingo - GPIO BANK A or something?
2017-05-21T17:36:18 < zyp> GPIOA
2017-05-21T17:36:19 < Ecco> GPIOA
2017-05-21T17:36:40 < invzim> allright, taking the time to make proper schematics symbols
2017-05-21T17:37:21 < invzim> it's a PITA, but already spotted one pinout difference/missing alternate function between STM32F401 and 411
2017-05-21T17:37:53 < Ecco> Maybe you should consider switching to the newer 413 straight away then
2017-05-21T17:38:23 < zyp> I've commented on this before
2017-05-21T17:38:31 < zyp> ST doesn't know what the word compatible means
2017-05-21T17:38:36 < zyp> ref. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NZfiV.png
2017-05-21T17:42:01 < Ecco> Guys, do you have any idea of the price one could expect to get on an STM32H7 for like 10k units?
2017-05-21T17:42:49 < zyp> look at mouser/dk pricing, divide by two
2017-05-21T17:43:10 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-05-21T17:45:33 < Ecco> Well, that's weird
2017-05-21T17:45:38 < zyp> well, I don't have an idea really, but mouser/dk is useful to set an upper bound
2017-05-21T17:45:45 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-05-21T17:46:04 < Ecco> Because supposedly F41x/401 were supposed to be much cheaper than other F4 and F7
2017-05-21T17:46:13 < Ecco> There isn't such a big difference on mouser for example
2017-05-21T17:46:22 < Ecco> ($5.5 vs $6.5)
2017-05-21T17:46:45 < zyp> that's because they are newer and thus are less used
2017-05-21T17:46:53 < zyp> price goes down as parts get more established
2017-05-21T17:47:06 < Ecco> Well, wouldn't the F7 be the most expensive one then?
2017-05-21T17:49:32 < Steffanx> At 10k units you would go to your purchase guy and he will go to their sales guy and negotiate a price.. :)
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2017-05-21T17:50:22 < Steffanx> not for just product price indication ofcourse, but ..
2017-05-21T17:50:31 < Ecco> yeah, sure
2017-05-21T17:50:43 < Ecco> But I was just wondering about a general idea
2017-05-21T17:50:50 < Ecco> not an accurate-to-the-cent quotation :)
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2017-05-21T17:51:01 < Laurenceb_> today I went for a walk in the park
2017-05-21T17:51:09 < Steffanx> And how you are tired?
2017-05-21T17:51:23 < Laurenceb_> all the kids ran away screaming "mummy, mummy its a scary nerd"
2017-05-21T17:51:33 < Laurenceb_> feels bad man
2017-05-21T17:51:52 < Steffanx> And then you pulled your pants down?
2017-05-21T17:52:06 < Steffanx> opened your long coat?
2017-05-21T17:52:09 < Ecco> no, he said the kids had ran away already
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2017-05-21T17:52:55 < Steffanx> but kids outside? Dont they all play video games?
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2017-05-21T17:53:46 < Steffanx> Are you still located somewhere near oxford or whatever you were located, mr Laurenceb_?
2017-05-21T17:54:28 < Laurenceb_> no, I used to be in Oxford
2017-05-21T17:54:36 < Laurenceb_> now I'm further north
2017-05-21T17:54:51 < Steffanx> crt wanted to visit you, but he didnt know where to go.
2017-05-21T17:55:44 < Laurenceb_> but I told him
2017-05-21T17:55:55 < Laurenceb_> he isnt coming for a while right?
2017-05-21T17:56:36 < Steffanx> I can't confirm nor deny that.
2017-05-21T17:57:23 < Laurenceb_> I'll try to b around when he is next on
2017-05-21T17:57:26 < Laurenceb_> https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/05/20/0519258/the-working-dead-which-it-jobs-are-bound-for-extinction
2017-05-21T17:57:36 < Laurenceb_> The entire world has gone to Java or .Net
2017-05-21T17:57:38 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-05-21T18:01:57 < englishman> your story does not check out
2017-05-21T18:01:58 < englishman> fake news
2017-05-21T18:03:07 < englishman> Ecco: the cheaper F7s are priced quite close to F4, but they also have similar capability, the lower end of F7 really strips out a lot
2017-05-21T18:04:15 < invzim> do you guys work with this stuff, or play around as a hobby?
2017-05-21T18:05:01 < englishman> it started as a hobby now i'm pro af
2017-05-21T18:05:05 < englishman> (thanks to this chan)
2017-05-21T18:05:36 < invzim> I'm playing around with it as a hobby, hoping to develop into a side business maybe
2017-05-21T18:05:51 < englishman> only pros in here
2017-05-21T18:06:06 < Steffanx> Are you a millenial invzim?
2017-05-21T18:06:08 < Ecco> englishman: Yeah, I guess it makes sense. Thanks :)
2017-05-21T18:06:25 < invzim> well I DO sell one of my earlier designs which turned me into EE by chance, so semi-pro :)
2017-05-21T18:06:35 < invzim> Steffanx: far from it, 1975 :)
2017-05-21T18:06:38 < Steffanx> ah
2017-05-21T18:06:47 < invzim> CTO of a networking company by day
2017-05-21T18:06:51 < englishman> no millenians in here either
2017-05-21T18:08:33 < invzim> http://jvspac.kirurg.org/ <-Made this 9 years ago
2017-05-21T18:08:51 < Steffanx> pic? AAh
2017-05-21T18:09:13 < Laurenceb_> is F7 faster than F4?
2017-05-21T18:09:23 < Laurenceb_> its weird and superscalar
2017-05-21T18:09:30 < Laurenceb_> not nice on a µC
2017-05-21T18:10:18 < Steffanx> It's M7 vs m4.
2017-05-21T18:10:41 < englishman> PIC
2017-05-21T18:11:26 < Laurenceb_> pic32 is pretty fast
2017-05-21T18:11:39 < Steffanx> Fakd news
2017-05-21T18:12:26 < englishman> what does a CTO do besides a bunch of meetings and peeling out in the parking lot in his 911 turbo?
2017-05-21T18:12:47 < invzim> it's a 10 employee company, so pretty much everyting :)
2017-05-21T18:13:14 < invzim> sans fancy car
2017-05-21T18:15:11 < Steffanx> No tesla?
2017-05-21T18:15:35 < invzim> I didn't do much with electronics for a few years, but needing an FPGA and learning Altium kind of made thinigs a lot more interesting
2017-05-21T18:16:15 < englishman> dont tell me you did fpga inside altium?
2017-05-21T18:16:26 < invzim> always lived where I don't need a car, so I actually don't even have a drivers license.  Guess I should get it before I get too old :)
2017-05-21T18:16:37 < invzim> nooo, plain Altium quartus
2017-05-21T18:16:42 < invzim> altera
2017-05-21T18:16:43 < invzim> :)
2017-05-21T18:17:12 < invzim> my understanding is that the FPGA stuff in altium was someones grand idea and the world went somewhere else
2017-05-21T18:17:19 < englishman> Steffanx im renting a tesla in 2 weeks
2017-05-21T18:17:31 < englishman> i bet it will be awesome, the exact opposite of what Laurenceb_ says
2017-05-21T18:17:38 < englishman> pretty much
2017-05-21T18:17:41 < englishman> even altium will drop it
2017-05-21T18:17:45 < englishman> in 18
2017-05-21T18:18:02 < invzim> all the people I talked with loves the Tesla, super popular in Norway because of no tax on it
2017-05-21T18:18:36 < englishman> yeah, not so much incentive here, it is still a megaspendy luxury car, with no competition
2017-05-21T18:19:12 < Steffanx> Ah. b
2017-05-21T18:19:36 < zyp> invzim, you in norway?
2017-05-21T18:21:06 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Timecop
2017-05-21T18:21:07 < Laurenceb_> lame
2017-05-21T18:22:31 < invzim> zyp: yup
2017-05-21T18:22:45 < zyp> cool, thought I were the only norwegian here
2017-05-21T18:23:40 < invzim> not anymore :)
2017-05-21T18:24:25 < zyp> oh, you're the jvs-pac guy?
2017-05-21T18:24:31 < invzim> THE? :)
2017-05-21T18:24:36 < zyp> (I'm stalking your site)
2017-05-21T18:24:45 < zyp> well, I've heard about jvs-pac
2017-05-21T18:25:04 < invzim> I like the process of receving an order or two every week, sending it out etc
2017-05-21T18:25:27 < invzim> funds my arcade and electronics toys
2017-05-21T18:26:19 < zyp> I made the opposite thing last year
2017-05-21T18:26:23 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/hjk3A.png
2017-05-21T18:26:52 < zyp> it emulates JVS devices, instead of acting as a JVS host
2017-05-21T18:30:02 < invzim> usb works ok without external osc?
2017-05-21T18:30:33 < englishman> on f0 yes
2017-05-21T18:30:37 < zyp> and l0
2017-05-21T18:30:45 < englishman> it self-clocks as usb device
2017-05-21T18:30:58 < zyp> f0/l0 have a CRS block that tunes the internal oscillator from the SOF rate
2017-05-21T18:31:17 < englishman> the better answer ^
2017-05-21T18:32:03 < zyp> (or optionally other kinds of precise time sources)
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2017-05-21T19:10:44 < Steffanx> zyp, kreature is norwegian too iirc.
2017-05-21T19:10:58 < zyp> oh, yeah
2017-05-21T19:11:32 < zyp> he's not active enough, I forgot :p
2017-05-21T19:12:01 < Steffanx> Are all norwegians in the arcade business?
2017-05-21T19:12:19 < zyp> seems like
2017-05-21T19:12:40 < Steffanx> I dont get the idea that business is large in dutchland, but that might be because im not into that
2017-05-21T19:24:48 < invzim> anyone have a favorite part# for a micro-sd slot you can hand solder, has a brand-name everybody can source AND is available as knockoffs in China?
2017-05-21T19:28:24 < Steffanx> That last requirement :D
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2017-05-21T19:36:14 < zyp> whatever is available on aliexpress or something?
2017-05-21T19:36:48 < aandrew> hm, DIY JBC on eevblog. looks decent actually, and JBC handles/tips aren't expensive
2017-05-21T19:38:12 < zyp> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/diy-jbc-nano/ <- this stuff?
2017-05-21T19:38:48 < aandrew> yeah
2017-05-21T19:38:54 < aandrew> there's another that's a universal handle controller
2017-05-21T19:39:01 < aandrew> and another that's a diy metcal
2017-05-21T19:39:13 < aandrew> the tiny metcal though is nice
2017-05-21T19:39:20 < zyp> I miss the JBC NASE I had at my old job
2017-05-21T19:39:22 < aandrew> I've used their stuff before and think I like it better than metcal
2017-05-21T19:39:33 < zyp> but I can't really justify buying my own
2017-05-21T19:39:43 < aandrew> yeah, hence why I'm looking at the  DIY
2017-05-21T19:39:51 < aandrew> I kind of like the idea of my own controller too
2017-05-21T19:40:02 < aandrew> I want to change the firmware in my 858D+ too
2017-05-21T19:40:07 < zyp> well, I'd prefer a tool, not a project
2017-05-21T19:40:59 < aandrew> I hear that
2017-05-21T19:41:02 < invzim> I got super lucky and scored a used metcal locally
2017-05-21T19:41:09 < aandrew> and honestly $600 for a station is not a lot of money
2017-05-21T19:41:17 < aandrew> but I'm cheap
2017-05-21T19:41:18 < invzim> 'used' - I think it was powered on once
2017-05-21T19:41:34 < zyp> the NASE is more than that
2017-05-21T19:41:37 < aandrew> my soldering iron is literally a 20ish year old Weller WES51
2017-05-21T19:41:44 < zyp> 1000EUR-ish last I checked
2017-05-21T19:41:45 < aandrew> yes NASE is more expensive
2017-05-21T19:41:50 < aandrew> I was lookign at the single ones
2017-05-21T19:41:55 < aandrew> I never had a real love for tweezers
2017-05-21T19:42:54 < zyp> they are really useful for smt rework
2017-05-21T19:43:11 < zyp> and shit like 0R configuration resistors
2017-05-21T19:43:16 < zyp> pick up, move, set down, done
2017-05-21T19:43:16 < aandrew> yesish
2017-05-21T19:43:21 < aandrew> I see the utility
2017-05-21T19:43:24 < aandrew> I've used them many times
2017-05-21T19:43:28 < aandrew> just never had a real *need* for them
2017-05-21T19:43:38 < zyp> and just having two more points of heat is useful when you're desoldering ics as well
2017-05-21T19:43:43 < aandrew> I'm fairly adept at bouncing between pads to take off an SMT resistor
2017-05-21T19:44:00 < aandrew> my cheapass 858D+ gets a lot more use for that htough
2017-05-21T19:44:17 < aandrew> that reminds me, I want to buy 2 or 3 heater cartridges for it and maybe another fan too just for spares
2017-05-21T19:44:24 < aandrew> because lord knows when they do fail I won't be able to find them anymore
2017-05-21T19:46:08 < Steffanx> Is the  858D+ noisy? My Aoyue 852 is VERY noisy, which annoys me a bit.
2017-05-21T19:46:48 < aandrew> it's noisy enough. you know it's on, but it's not like holy fuck I can't work around this
2017-05-21T19:47:12 < aandrew> it'd be quieter if it had the fan in the base and a tube supplying it ot the handle instead of having the fan in the handle
2017-05-21T19:51:42 < Steffanx> hm
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2017-05-21T20:16:51 < Thorn> lockpicking practice kit https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NED-Mini-Transparent-Visible-Pick-Cutaway-Practice-Padlock-Lock-With-Broken-Key-Removing-Hooks-Lock-Extractor/32678387858.html
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2017-05-21T20:38:13 < Steffanx> Almighty R2COM, come save us!
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2017-05-21T22:31:03 < crt> https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-2TB-DataTraveler-Ultimate-DTUGT/dp/B06X1CSCZB
2017-05-21T22:31:08 < crt> Stick that
2017-05-21T22:31:28 < munki> http://monster6502.com/
2017-05-21T22:31:37 < crt> Hm
2017-05-21T22:31:44 < crt> Wat is that
2017-05-21T22:32:52 < Ecco> I guess a 6502 CPU made out of discreet transistors?
2017-05-21T22:32:58 < munki> transistor scale replica of 6502
2017-05-21T22:33:06 < crt> Ah
2017-05-21T22:33:16 < Ecco> I doubt those are only transistors though
2017-05-21T22:33:23 < crt> Better do it in mine craft too
2017-05-21T22:34:02 < munki> Ecco:
2017-05-21T22:34:07 < munki> Is it truly a "discrete 6502?"
2017-05-21T22:34:07 < munki> Not in the strictest sense. However, it really depends upon how picky you would like to be.
2017-05-21T22:34:07 < munki> The MOnSter 6502 uses the original dynamic NMOS logic design, implemented at the individual transistor level.
2017-05-21T22:34:07 < munki> Dynamic NMOS requires a large number of "transmission gate" transistors that are used to switch currents. For various technical reasons, only a 4-terminal MOSFET can make an effective NMOS transmission gate. Unfortunately, individually packaged 4-terminal MOSFETs are no longer commercially available. However, they do still make arrays of 2 or 4 MOSFETs on a single chip with a separate substrate pin. We used
2017-05-21T22:34:07 < munki> the 4-pack version — These are the quad transistor array chips that we mentioned earlier.
2017-05-21T22:34:08 < munki> Because these transistors do share a pin, there are (strictly speaking) integrated circuits in the MOnSter 6502. However, one might credibly argue that it is a discrete transistor design since there are not (for example) any logic gate chips in the circuit.
2017-05-21T22:34:35 < Ecco> Nice
2017-05-21T22:34:50 < Ecco> "In total, there are 4769 components on the board"
2017-05-21T22:34:52 < Ecco> welp
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2017-05-21T22:36:17 < Ecco> "Are you going to make one out of vacuum tubes next?" :-D
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2017-05-21T22:49:07 < mtbg> there are nmos transistors with separate substrate
2017-05-21T22:50:07 < mtbg> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/BSS83_N.pdf
2017-05-21T22:53:01 < mtbg> http://calogic.net/pdf/SST211_Datasheet_Rev_A.pdf
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2017-05-21T23:18:55 < kakimir> gdrive stopper thumbin my pics
2017-05-21T23:19:02 < kakimir> st0pped
2017-05-21T23:19:07 < kakimir> they are so done with my shit
2017-05-21T23:21:55 < kakimir> sync: can I steal your cyclone filter design?
2017-05-21T23:22:11 < kakimir> and what particle weight and size it's for btw?
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2017-05-21T23:22:48 < kakimir> if I CFD my own it's called overdoing stuff
2017-05-21T23:23:50 < kakimir> if I borrow desing it's called smart stuff
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2017-05-21T23:29:53 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKN1AwbF9FV0EtMk0/view?usp=sharing ports for my sandblasting box
2017-05-21T23:30:11 < kakimir> it will have electricity at the top too
2017-05-21T23:30:23 < kakimir> so it becomes general dirty work box
2017-05-21T23:30:50 < kakimir> pneumatic drills, electric axle grinders and stuff
2017-05-21T23:31:19 < kakimir> pneumatic port has it's socket gutted
2017-05-21T23:32:03 < kakimir> so it can be cleaned really easy just by turning that lever a bit
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2017-05-21T23:32:59 < Steffanx> pro welding there :P
2017-05-21T23:33:19 < kakimir> you can tell
2017-05-21T23:33:49 < kakimir> cast iron part to 2mm sheet with 5mm gap
2017-05-21T23:35:25 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNWVYdi1lZS1jOVU/view?usp=sharing door
2017-05-21T23:36:25 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/5i5dxdvtvsyy.jpg
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2017-05-21T23:49:35 < kakimir> can't deny it she is good lookin
2017-05-21T23:49:44 < sync> kakimir: stuff is long gone
2017-05-21T23:50:05 < kakimir> you don't safe files?
2017-05-21T23:50:54 < sync> I do, but it is one of the few things I have lost over time
2017-05-21T23:51:06 < kakimir> okay
2017-05-21T23:51:22 < kakimir> sometimes it's good to lose some stuff
2017-05-21T23:52:06 < kakimir> gives the space for something else
2017-05-21T23:52:30 < kakimir> *space as in it's all meanings
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2017-05-22T00:00:25 < kakimir> storage space being the least of them
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2017-05-22T00:11:08 < Steffanx> Ever thought about a philosophy study  kakimir ?
2017-05-22T00:15:54 < kakimir> I was amateur philosopher in high school
2017-05-22T00:16:14 < Steffanx> I like how you covered the floor and still painted the floor
2017-05-22T00:16:27 < Steffanx> Because you only covered it partially
2017-05-22T00:16:49 < kakimir> I just optimized the situation
2017-05-22T00:17:19 < kakimir> see how I have used the most area I could without seperating the cardboard
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2017-05-22T00:17:37 < Steffanx> Should have done that
2017-05-22T00:17:44 < kakimir> I know
2017-05-22T00:17:57 < kakimir> but I secretly like to make a mess with paints
2017-05-22T00:18:15 < kakimir> so I have excuse
2017-05-22T00:18:15 < Steffanx> Who doesnt :)
2017-05-22T00:18:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxARYmac2ZQ
2017-05-22T00:18:45 < Steffanx> But better cover the door properly, my autidm spots a few not so well covered areas
2017-05-22T00:18:49 < kakimir> how is this music for you taste Steffanx
2017-05-22T00:18:53 < Steffanx> Paint
2017-05-22T00:19:05 < kakimir> Steffanx: it has been that was first layer
2017-05-22T00:19:19 < Steffanx> Okok
2017-05-22T00:19:39 < kakimir> emptyed the can so whatever spots were left are there permanently
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2017-05-22T00:19:57 < Steffanx> I think i can actually listen to this music
2017-05-22T00:20:15 < kakimir> me too
2017-05-22T00:21:07 < Steffanx> Not sure what genre but it feels a bit chiptunish
2017-05-22T00:22:21 < kakimir> I think it's like "80s tune" or such genre
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2017-05-22T00:40:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeThaMzNGOEJJS1U/view?usp=sharing
2017-05-22T00:42:13 < kakimir> roller catch will be welded to that sanded area in front
2017-05-22T00:43:59 < kakimir> little butt plug in the handle will slip in that rubber thing in right when it's bolted to way back the right side of the thing
2017-05-22T00:44:20 < kakimir> so door stays fully open or closed
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2017-05-22T01:36:01 < Steffanx> Kakimir need a movie? Go for Get Out. Totally a ##stm32 movie.
2017-05-22T01:36:14 < Steffanx> Niggers and toally weird. Maybe jews.
2017-05-22T01:38:46 < englishman> magnificent wall and magnificent hops http://i.imgur.com/QvF7Iga.jpg
2017-05-22T01:39:15 < englishman> not a mexican in sight. the wall is working great.
2017-05-22T01:39:39 < Steffannn> No humidity sensors with axware
2017-05-22T01:40:06 < englishman> never.
2017-05-22T01:40:41 < kakimir> Steffanx: not at this clock
2017-05-22T01:41:36 < Steffannn> Its a good movie for "this clock"
2017-05-22T01:42:00 < Steffannn> What are those bricks normally used for englishman ?
2017-05-22T01:42:01 < kakimir> I have to do some money calculations
2017-05-22T01:42:08 < kakimir> anyways
2017-05-22T01:42:10 < englishman> to make walls
2017-05-22T01:42:25 < Steffannn> But not like that i guess
2017-05-22T01:43:06 < englishman> i guess not
2017-05-22T01:43:37 < Steffannn> Ok whatever, never seen em
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2017-05-22T01:44:26 < kakimir> Steffanx: are you into movies like that?
2017-05-22T01:44:40 < Steffannn> Normally no
2017-05-22T01:44:48 < kakimir> Evil Dead?
2017-05-22T01:44:51 < crt> Good at mate
2017-05-22T01:44:56 < Steffannn> But imdb score said yes
2017-05-22T01:44:58 < crt> Gooday
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2017-05-22T01:45:11 < englishman> good morning m8
2017-05-22T01:45:14 < kakimir> gooday good sir
2017-05-22T01:45:15 < englishman> whats the good word
2017-05-22T01:45:29 < crt> I've fucked more cunts than cervical cancer
2017-05-22T01:45:47 < Steffannn> You are going weird again crt
2017-05-22T01:45:55 < crt> Hi bro
2017-05-22T01:45:57 < Steffannn> Just sayin'
2017-05-22T01:46:08 < crt> He asked for the good word
2017-05-22T01:46:34 < Steffannn> Then you should have quotes the bible
2017-05-22T01:46:42 < crt> What's a pumper to do?
2017-05-22T01:46:56 < Steffannn> Quoted*
2017-05-22T01:47:10 < crt> I can paraphrase
2017-05-22T01:47:14 < crt> And by that
2017-05-22T01:47:35 < Steffannn> Nah enjoy. Sleep tight.
2017-05-22T01:47:44 < crt> It's OK to be gay 🌈
2017-05-22T01:47:53 < crt> I'm awake
2017-05-22T01:48:09 < crt> Are you going to bed
2017-05-22T01:48:51 < kakimir> sleep tight don't let bedbugs bite
2017-05-22T01:49:08 < mtbg> there is no reason to quote the bible, or even to have one - if someone wants to adapt christian philosophy, then very well - just try to understand what jesus meant and adapt it to current times and knowledge
2017-05-22T01:49:24 < mtbg> but if someone wants to autistically masturbate about the words
2017-05-22T01:49:28 < mtbg> then he is retarded
2017-05-22T01:49:46 < mtbg> :>
2017-05-22T01:50:26 < kakimir> I have come to same conclusion mtbg but who has been christianing around then?
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2017-05-22T01:52:03 < crt> My religion is 🦆
2017-05-22T01:53:04 < crt> Zano is powered by god's will
2017-05-22T01:58:54 < englishman> quack
2017-05-22T02:01:23 < kakimir> what symbol is there I can not see?
2017-05-22T02:01:39 < crt> Quack
2017-05-22T02:02:34 < kakimir> unicode code?
2017-05-22T02:03:04 < englishman> unichode
2017-05-22T02:03:35 < crt> Uniduck
2017-05-22T02:03:43 < crt> 🦆
2017-05-22T02:04:37 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6PBewke5/A0860794-6BE8-4DC2-AB01-1EBE9B3C7461-3780-0000030C1E0E444D.png
2017-05-22T02:04:45 < crt> U like?
2017-05-22T02:05:14 < mtbg> is there a duck in unicode?
2017-05-22T02:05:32 < mtbg> there is
2017-05-22T02:05:37 < mtbg> http://emojipedia.org/duck/
2017-05-22T02:09:25 < crt> The mallard duck
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2017-05-22T03:30:06 < Laurenceb_> but is there a cuck in unicode
2017-05-22T03:30:16 < Laurenceb_> crt is heading to uk 4 realz?
2017-05-22T03:36:37 < kakimir> how is cuckin Laurenceb_
2017-05-22T03:37:10 < Laurenceb_> was cutting brambles off my neighbours cuck shed today
2017-05-22T03:38:32 < kakimir> did you cuck with you neighbours wife?
2017-05-22T03:38:54 < Laurenceb_> no they have a bull house
2017-05-22T03:39:17 < Laurenceb_> they built a house at the end of their garden to rent to the bull
2017-05-22T03:39:52 < kakimir> was
2017-05-22T03:40:23 < kakimir> I can not understand what you are saying
2017-05-22T03:41:07 < Laurenceb_> look up cuckoldry
2017-05-22T03:43:54 < crt> yes Laurenceb_ i'm cumming 2 u
2017-05-22T03:46:15 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-05-22T03:47:50 < kakimir> #gay32
2017-05-22T03:50:07 < kakimir> fukken sunrise when it's my bedtime
2017-05-22T03:50:18 < kakimir> 4 in the morning
2017-05-22T03:50:58 < kakimir> *dawn or sunrise I don't know which requires sun to be visible in the sky
2017-05-22T03:51:17 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how is summer plans?
2017-05-22T03:51:32 < Laurenceb_> huh
2017-05-22T03:51:44 < Laurenceb_> waiting for jerb application to be processed atm
2017-05-22T03:51:59 < Laurenceb_> hopefully I'll get a job researching vehicle vibration
2017-05-22T03:52:05 < crt> oi
2017-05-22T03:52:08 < crt> whats the weather like mate
2017-05-22T03:52:19 < Laurenceb_> ~12C and cloudy
2017-05-22T03:52:24 < Laurenceb_> perfect
2017-05-22T03:52:31 < dongs> < Laurenceb_>I2C and cloudy
2017-05-22T03:52:33 < dongs> ftfy
2017-05-22T03:52:35 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-05-22T03:52:41 < dongs> your favorite weather
2017-05-22T03:52:44 < Laurenceb_> hatebus
2017-05-22T03:53:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah my new jerb will prob involve i2c<->canbus adaptors
2017-05-22T03:58:48 < crt> sounds excellent
2017-05-22T04:00:37 < sync> as long as you don't have to emulate i2c port expanders through can and then ethernet, everything is fine
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2017-05-22T04:13:45 < dongs>  * Note: The STM datasheet tends to number things from 1. We should ask
2017-05-22T04:13:45 < dongs>  * the European elevator engineers to talk to MCU engineer counterparts
2017-05-22T04:13:45 < dongs>  * about this.  This means that if the datasheet refers to channel n,
2017-05-22T04:13:45 < dongs>  * you need to use STM32_DMAC_CHn (=n-1) in the code.
2017-05-22T04:13:47 < dongs> lol.
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2017-05-22T04:17:28 < crt> neat
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2017-05-22T04:58:33 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/GvaE2X65.html ...
2017-05-22T05:00:22 < dongs> this is going str8 to crazy.c
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2017-05-22T05:15:34 < Rob235> smb blows
2017-05-22T05:16:12 < Rob235> works great then stops connecting, then I have to reboot and works fine again
2017-05-22T05:17:49 < dongs> you've been randomware'd
2017-05-22T05:18:09 < Rob235> ?
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2017-05-22T05:23:49 < Rob235> rebooting my mbp fixes it (shares are on a win10 machine) so it must be os x's implementation
2017-05-22T05:24:28 < dongs> what a fuckin shock
2017-05-22T05:24:34 < dongs> fagbook not working
2017-05-22T05:24:36 < dongs> better call steve
2017-05-22T05:25:11 < crt> steve mate
2017-05-22T05:25:14 < crt> who dat
2017-05-22T05:25:25 < crt> some fucking pumper no doubt
2017-05-22T05:28:02 < crt> Want a magvel crossfader you liberal voting dog?
2017-05-22T05:29:34 < crt> get on nangs and mix son EDM
2017-05-22T05:29:41 < crt> *some
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2017-05-22T05:36:37 < aandrew> wtf
2017-05-22T05:36:54 < aandrew> I'm writing to the backed up SRAM, rebooting and I get the value just fine
2017-05-22T05:37:02 < aandrew> but clearing out that variable doesn't seem to always take
2017-05-22T05:37:20 < dongs> better wait for some AHB bus cycles
2017-05-22T05:37:27 < dongs> copypaste from crazy.c
2017-05-22T05:37:30 < dongs> jk, i dont know
2017-05-22T05:38:15 < ohsix> boop
2017-05-22T05:38:36 < aandrew> __HAL_RCC_PWR_CLK_ENABLE() and HAL_PWR_EnableBkUpAccess(), then I spin waiting for HAL_PWREx_EnableBkUpReg()... then finally __HAL_RCC_BKPSRAM_CLK_ENABLE() and manipulate the variable
2017-05-22T05:39:53 < ohsix> what are you doing aandrew
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2017-05-22T05:40:57 < dongs>     RCC_APB2PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_SYSCFG, ENABLE);
2017-05-22T05:40:57 < dongs> 	/* Delay 1 APB clock cycle after the clock is enabled */
2017-05-22T05:40:57 < dongs> 	clock_wait_bus_cycles(BUS_APB, 1);
2017-05-22T05:41:00 < dongs> why the fuck google does this shit
2017-05-22T05:41:03 < dongs> i've NEVER had this problem
2017-05-22T05:41:29 < dongs> do tehy realyl expect gcc to not generate shit enough code that at 48mhz, there won't be a single APB clock cycle between RCC_enable and next line of code??
2017-05-22T05:41:51 < aandrew> just using an SRAM byte to communiate to the bootloader
2017-05-22T05:41:51 < ohsix> it's only a problem when it doesn't
2017-05-22T05:41:58 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-22T05:42:02 < dongs> aandrew: ffs just address RAM-1 then
2017-05-22T05:42:08 < dongs> stop wasting time with bkp shit lol
2017-05-22T05:42:21 < aandrew> yeah that was my plan but these guys want the backup sram
2017-05-22T05:42:25 < ohsix> i'm gonna get back into 3d printer shit this week now that i have all my crapbot parts
2017-05-22T05:42:38 < ohsix> found tiny motors and tiny wheels and tiny drivers etc
2017-05-22T05:46:13 < dongs> anyway, works for me man
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2017-05-22T06:01:00 < dongs> Dear Valued Cypress Customer,
2017-05-22T06:01:00 < dongs> We see that you have the Cypress CY4500 EZ-PD Protocol Analyzer installed. In an effort to help us improve your satisfaction with Cypress products, please take a brief survey (less than 2 minutes) about the CY4500 EZ-PD Protocol Analyzer. Thanks in advance for your help.
2017-05-22T06:01:04 < dongs> lewl, thanks R2COM
2017-05-22T06:01:10 < dongs> now i have popups from cypress
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2017-05-22T06:02:32 < englishman> he's busy dying in 42C/107F heat
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2017-05-22T06:19:30 < emeb_mac> ah - it's not that hot here yet
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2017-05-22T06:43:53 < crt> Peter_M: the fuckin' dogs did it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx5zyxbvSjs
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2017-05-22T07:22:55 < dongs> 11 leds to on/off. a) use cheap led driver b) gpio
2017-05-22T07:24:34 < crt> wut leds
2017-05-22T07:24:38 < dongs> 0603 leds
2017-05-22T07:24:43 < crt> hmmmm
2017-05-22T07:31:08 < dongs> watcha doin with those lesd, ricing up your BMW?
2017-05-22T07:35:33 < dongs> god damn why is digishit peddling adafruit crap
2017-05-22T07:35:49 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/en/supplier-centers/a/adafruit
2017-05-22T07:36:03 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/products/en/development-boards-kits-programmers/evaluation-and-demonstration-boards-and-kits/787?v=1528 ???
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2017-05-22T07:40:00 < dongs> need to find cheapest ALS / proximity combo
2017-05-22T07:40:08 < dongs> something similar to VCNL4010 but cheaper
2017-05-22T07:40:10 < dongs> ambient light sensor
2017-05-22T07:40:31 < dongs> my fuckstarter pals just suggested a $5 sensor from ST
2017-05-22T07:40:46 < dongs> that does laser time of flight proximity sensing
2017-05-22T07:40:53 < dongs> a nigger walking up to a control panel
2017-05-22T07:40:59 < dongs> to use it
2017-05-22T07:43:10 < dongs> well, a dude walking up to a light switch like thing
2017-05-22T07:43:17 < dongs> to use it
2017-05-22T07:44:12 < englishman> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13959
2017-05-22T07:44:24 < dongs> haha
2017-05-22T07:44:29 < dongs> no.
2017-05-22T07:44:46 < dongs> im actually surprised its $3.95
2017-05-22T07:45:00 < englishman> yeah expected $20
2017-05-22T07:45:04 < dongs> cuz they're like 99c on ebay
2017-05-22T07:45:09 < dongs> only 4x markup
2017-05-22T07:46:22 < dongs> thats just a IR transmitter negro
2017-05-22T07:46:28 < dongs> doesnt do ALS or prpoximity
2017-05-22T07:47:01 < dongs> the problem is I think teh kickstarter morons already ordered a mold with the cutouts for $5 ST part
2017-05-22T07:47:41 < dongs> gonna have freaking laser beams in home automation
2017-05-22T07:48:38 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/imaging-and-photonics-solutions/vl53l0x.html this is the trash tehy picked (without asking me)
2017-05-22T07:52:40 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/r9is5xjkgxyy.jpg
2017-05-22T07:53:56 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/24/fedex_paying_five_dollars_to_install_flash/ haha
2017-05-22T07:58:06 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/9sCQU2d.jpg
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2017-05-22T08:04:05 < crt> adobe
2017-05-22T08:04:09 < crt> worse than using a mac
2017-05-22T08:09:26 < dongs> We’ve run into a small last-minute issue that involves some of our electronics boards. While conducting our routine quality checks, we found that an unusually high number of them did not properly read the signals from the phone when using different versions of the Android OS. So we had to pull that batch and also run checks on every printer that had already been produced. Basically, this flaw requires us to redesign the PCB with a new micro controller unit to "c
2017-05-22T08:09:33 < dongs> guys
2017-05-22T08:09:33 < dongs> jsut a last minute issue
2017-05-22T08:09:41 < dongs> all we need to do is re-design with a new micro-controller
2017-05-22T08:09:43 < dongs> that cleans android
2017-05-22T08:11:03 < crt> what is this kickstarter shit?
2017-05-22T08:11:34 < englishman> btw dongs are these taiwan fabs retarded as fuck or rhwat
2017-05-22T08:11:52 < englishman> i got an email asking if board thickness was 1.5882mm or 1.6102mm
2017-05-22T08:11:55 < englishman> im like way
2017-05-22T08:11:55 < englishman> wat
2017-05-22T08:12:13 < englishman> first, wtf
2017-05-22T08:12:23 < englishman> second, what part of 62 mils +-10% doesnt make sense
2017-05-22T08:14:24 < englishman> today got an email from them about a different tolerance
2017-05-22T08:14:42 < englishman> there is a screengrab of a gerb or something i have never seen before in software i don't recognize, entirely in chinese
2017-05-22T08:15:12 < crt> spin the wheel see what you get ;)
2017-05-22T08:15:55 < dongs> englishman: sounsd reasonable, i think standard boards are <= 1.6
2017-05-22T08:16:09 < dongs> so they rpobly have 2 different dielectric thickness choices
2017-05-22T08:16:28 < dongs> unless i donno wat youre asking
2017-05-22T08:16:43 < englishman> they actually used altidumb 3d export pcb width and measured that
2017-05-22T08:16:57 < dongs> o lawl
2017-05-22T08:17:00 < englishman> and said "it doesnt match your design document"
2017-05-22T08:17:08 < dongs> you're the donger for not filling that in properly :D
2017-05-22T08:17:11 < dongs> in lyer stack
2017-05-22T08:17:26 < englishman> i did, roughly
2017-05-22T08:17:40 < englishman> but who the fuck
2017-05-22T08:17:42 < englishman> ..
2017-05-22T08:17:43 < englishman> fuck.
2017-05-22T08:17:55 < englishman> why bother with a design document
2017-05-22T08:18:13 < englishman> why not just tweet them entire design one by one
2017-05-22T08:18:18 < dongs> shoulda used draftsman(tm) to prepare it
2017-05-22T08:18:34 < englishman> YourClient is tweeting you ProPCB_Final_NoReallyLastOne.G1
2017-05-22T08:18:37 < englishman> YourClient is tweeting you ProPCB_Final_NoReallyLastOne.G2
2017-05-22T08:18:39 < englishman> YourClient is tweeting you ProPCB_Final_NoReallyLastOne.GKO
2017-05-22T08:20:51 < dongs> what the shit
2017-05-22T08:21:00 < dongs> i cant draw crap on keeypout layer in last altidumb
2017-05-22T08:21:04 < dongs> it autoswitches to dril drawing
2017-05-22T08:21:29 < ohsix> twin peaks friends
2017-05-22T08:21:38 < dongs> oh what hteh ell
2017-05-22T08:21:44 < dongs> its no longer drawable on
2017-05-22T08:21:51 < dongs> you "move" stuff to it, by checking keepout box
2017-05-22T08:21:59 < dongs> and assign to "restricted to x layers'
2017-05-22T08:26:38 < dongs> ... hm wtf cant check keepout on shit
2017-05-22T08:26:40 < dongs> time to read docs
2017-05-22T08:28:53 < dongs> oh, place->keepout now
2017-05-22T08:28:57 < dongs> no more tracks on keepout layer
2017-05-22T08:29:07 < dongs> fucking cunts
2017-05-22T08:29:18 < dongs> how am i gonna import shit like circular/weird board shape
2017-05-22T08:30:41 < dongs> before I can jkust import outline/crap into any mech layer and reassign it to keepout/whatever
2017-05-22T08:30:49 < dongs> thanks, faggots
2017-05-22T08:30:54 < dongs> switching to kikecad asap
2017-05-22T08:32:03 < dongs> ok tools.convert.primitives to keepouts
2017-05-22T08:32:11 < dongs> more simple commands to re-learn
2017-05-22T08:40:51 < dongs> and now locked 3d objects are still clickable
2017-05-22T08:40:58 < dongs> fuck youuuuuuuu
2017-05-22T08:41:01 < dongs> i locked it for a reason you cunt
2017-05-22T08:46:33 < dongs> hm except it doesnt actually work
2017-05-22T08:46:34 < dongs> fuck
2017-05-22T08:54:19 < crt> ok
2017-05-22T08:54:44 < crt> better r2pro and orcad
2017-05-22T08:54:57 < crt> i did like pspice fwiw
2017-05-22T08:57:18 < dongs> yeah no
2017-05-22T08:57:24 < dongs> cuckcad no thanks
2017-05-22T08:58:12 < crt> if they're all fucked
2017-05-22T08:58:14 < crt> what do ya do
2017-05-22T08:59:04 < dongs> ahahaha.
2017-05-22T08:59:10 < dongs> they're using SMT vertical RJ45
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2017-05-22T09:00:39 < crt> bloody pumpers
2017-05-22T09:03:23 < crt> R2COM: can u hand out free orcad licensees yet
2017-05-22T09:03:32 < dongs> no that game looked shit
2017-05-22T09:03:46 < Steffanx> Another game dongs will play for 5 minutes and then rage about?
2017-05-22T09:04:06 < Steffanx> Oh pre-rage already
2017-05-22T09:04:21 < crt> welcome back stffn
2017-05-22T09:04:28 < Steffanx> Lo
2017-05-22T09:04:44 < crt> local oscillator
2017-05-22T09:05:12 < crt> never tried one
2017-05-22T09:05:53 < crt> dont get me wrong i'm not some feminist sympathizer or something but yet
2017-05-22T09:05:55 < crt> *yea
2017-05-22T09:08:05 < dongs> altium 18 will be amazing
2017-05-22T09:08:18 < dongs> how did youknow
2017-05-22T09:08:25 < dongs> my cock is being sucked right this moment
2017-05-22T09:08:26 < dongs> by a dude
2017-05-22T09:08:29 < crt> r2 is in his prime just now
2017-05-22T09:09:51 < crt> R2COM: do you know how i wanna die
2017-05-22T09:11:03 < crt> 1. pick up some dirty woman and while fucking her doggy, as i cum i'll blow my brains out with a gun
2017-05-22T09:11:23 < crt> i'll leave it to her on what to do next
2017-05-22T09:11:58 < crt> i got more but that's enough for this week
2017-05-22T09:12:38 < crt> my wut
2017-05-22T09:13:08 < crt> it would be a good one
2017-05-22T09:13:11 < crt> like lolol
2017-05-22T09:13:19 < crt> maybe if i had some terminal disease or something
2017-05-22T09:13:30 < crt> stream it on twitch
2017-05-22T09:14:32 < dongs> livestream on facebook
2017-05-22T09:14:42 < crt> even better
2017-05-22T09:15:07 < dongs> uh
2017-05-22T09:15:15 < dongs> can you not login to it with just username/pass
2017-05-22T09:16:25 < dongs> http://www.itrickbuzz.com/how-to-use-tinder-without-facebook/ lmao, fucking spam site
2017-05-22T09:16:42 < dongs> so basicallyu to "use tinder without facebook" you can either 1) limit its rights on facebook 2) make a new troll account
2017-05-22T09:16:51 < dongs> neither of those steps is actually USING IT WITHOUT FACEBOOK
2017-05-22T09:17:23 < crt> okay
2017-05-22T09:17:30 < crt> but what about da hoez broz
2017-05-22T09:17:34 < dongs> i made one to troll zano, wehn I opened it the other day i had like 20 friend invites from some vietnam faggots
2017-05-22T09:18:06 < aandrew> motherfucker
2017-05-22T09:18:26 < crt> i wonder if there were aware of you dongs
2017-05-22T09:18:31 < aandrew> my entire issue with running altium on esxi and accessing it via RDP had to do with mapping a fucking network drive
2017-05-22T09:19:29 < crt> lol
2017-05-22T09:19:33 < crt> the blunt has spoken
2017-05-22T09:20:05 < crt> 4:20
2017-05-22T09:20:09 < crt> just sayin
2017-05-22T09:20:19 < dongs> only in shitstralia
2017-05-22T09:20:28 < dongs> and only in like shitty corner of it
2017-05-22T09:20:32 < crt> hope about senpailand
2017-05-22T09:20:32 < dongs> i think the other corner is like 8.20 now
2017-05-22T09:20:38 < crt> the cunts
2017-05-22T09:28:20 < crt> if i had a bit more autism i'd have clocks in my workshop DONGTIME R2TIME ENGLISHTIME BLAXTERTIME
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2017-05-22T09:33:57 < crt> thorn told me shes never had to block anyone on IRC ever until i came along
2017-05-22T09:34:16 < crt> yeah
2017-05-22T09:34:31 < dongs> R2BRO pay attention to context
2017-05-22T09:34:35 < crt> never known a bloke to wear a tampon
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2017-05-22T09:35:02 < englishman> thorn is the chick in those big cat videos
2017-05-22T09:35:08 < dongs> lmao
2017-05-22T09:35:12 < dongs> is that why hes pasting that shit
2017-05-22T09:35:17 < englishman> she
2017-05-22T09:35:34 < dongs> stop fucking trollin the channel crt + englishman
2017-05-22T09:35:51 < englishman> sorry for interrupting important stm32 chats
2017-05-22T09:36:10 < dongs> np nigga
2017-05-22T09:36:22 < dongs> i have to calculate FPC cable bend distance over 1mm pcb
2017-05-22T09:36:31 < crt> so like i cleaned the horrid goop off this board
2017-05-22T09:36:33 < dongs> to probably +- 0.5mm
2017-05-22T09:36:46 < crt> and now it works, but apparently its not conductive or corrosive -_-
2017-05-22T09:36:53 < dongs> any tools in orcad for this
2017-05-22T09:39:22 < crt> this glue smells like zyklon b when it is heated
2017-05-22T09:39:42 < englishman> better have another reference sniff
2017-05-22T09:39:52 < dongs> how would you know what it smells like you fucking jew
2017-05-22T09:39:59 < crt> FUCK
2017-05-22T09:40:02  * crt busted
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2017-05-22T09:46:01 < crt> u11
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2017-05-22T10:20:28 < upgrdman> hmmm i should update my TelemetryViewer program to look all hollywood, like the shit in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUaINGye4NY
2017-05-22T10:24:29 < crt> a real dogs breakfast
2017-05-22T10:27:09 < dongs> upgrdman: you probably need some artsy sense for this
2017-05-22T10:27:19 < dongs> and shaders, does java even do shaders
2017-05-22T10:27:30 < upgrdman> im using opengl
2017-05-22T10:27:33 < upgrdman> so i can do shaders
2017-05-22T10:27:47 < upgrdman> but ya, i lack artistic sense
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2017-05-22T10:33:29 < Steffanx> You are a blender artist ;)
2017-05-22T10:33:40 < dongs> more liek blogger artist
2017-05-22T10:33:48 < dongs> brb putting "professional internet troll' on my resume
2017-05-22T10:34:29 < Steffanx> But thats not in his hostname
2017-05-22T10:35:43 < dongs> oh, right
2017-05-22T10:35:46 < dongs> well, blender is opensores
2017-05-22T10:36:01 < dongs> i'm sure getting a 'blender artist' tag is as simple as writing a shitty opensores app
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2017-05-22T10:41:59 < ohsix> twin peaks so good i shit my pants
2017-05-22T10:44:23 < ohsix> i've officially forgotten what other channels i was in ;]
2017-05-22T10:44:38 < ohsix> after i automated some stuff i put it completely out of mind and can't even guess at what i'm missing
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2017-05-22T10:48:17 < ohsix> google is awful in important ways ... "ups lion" returns lots of results about shipping the batteries, but you need to get extremely literal to get it to find anything else
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2017-05-22T10:54:50 < upgrdman> re: my hostname, lol. that's from when i was a regular in #blenderchat. maybe 10 years ago. freenode intro'd hostname masks, and the ops in there offered it to me.
2017-05-22T10:54:59 < dongs> right
2017-05-22T10:55:02 < upgrdman> i have not blend'd anything noteworthy in years
2017-05-22T10:55:12 < upgrdman> but keep getting tempted to relearn blender
2017-05-22T10:59:05 < crt> yea.
2017-05-22T11:02:11 < Thorn> learn houdini instead
2017-05-22T11:02:34 < crt> hi Thorn
2017-05-22T11:03:58 < crt> i hear a siren, maybe another pallet of chinese 'hoverboards' melted
2017-05-22T11:09:42 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHWFpkGsxOs
2017-05-22T11:16:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: real men cast their rays by hand
2017-05-22T11:16:39 < ohsix> damn the expense
2017-05-22T11:17:22 < upgrdman> mhmm
2017-05-22T11:21:51 < ohsix> h3h
2017-05-22T11:22:21 < ohsix> i knew of and quite a bit about ray tracing, but in 5 minutes a pal resolved some junk i wondered but never bothered to check out in his lightning talk
2017-05-22T11:22:53 < ohsix> everyone writes a raytracer at some point, what's amazing is how few are doing it in 2017
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2017-05-22T11:24:42 < ohsix> i don't think there have been many people doing raytracing in abstract spaces
2017-05-22T11:43:06 < ohsix> er, well; there are some dynamic systems things that essentially do ray tracing, but nothing cool or super interesting
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2017-05-22T11:44:34 < dongs> risky click of the day
2017-05-22T11:44:40 < dongs> will i be closing because its more retarded bobcat videos
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2017-05-22T11:56:02 < dongs> Dear kicad Can some one please let me know how can i generate a pdf file of my entire schematics located in multiple pages Regards Nick.
2017-05-22T11:56:32 < dongs> how could this possibly require asking a question
2017-05-22T11:56:43 < dongs> like, i should be able to open file menu
2017-05-22T11:56:52 < dongs> and either see 'print' or 'export'
2017-05-22T11:56:54 < dongs> and be done
2017-05-22T11:57:46 < dongs> https://forum.kicad.info/t/os-x-how-to-generate-a-schematic-pdf-solved/2716
2017-05-22T11:57:54 < dongs> haha. PLOT.
2017-05-22T11:57:57 < dongs> fucking. retards.
2017-05-22T12:00:50 < zyp> anyone have experience with conformal coating?
2017-05-22T12:03:03 < crt> I have experience with what the bastards put on the board which isn't proper conformal coating
2017-05-22T12:03:14 < dongs> i have a bottle of it in my office i haven't opened
2017-05-22T12:03:35 < crt> And turns a simple repair into a fucking nightmare
2017-05-22T12:03:56 < crt> Db technologies digipro that's right you cunts I'm looking at you
2017-05-22T12:05:28 < zyp> just wonder how much that tends to add to assembly cost
2017-05-22T12:06:27 < dongs> is tehre a standard footprint for side-lighting smd leds
2017-05-22T12:06:30 < dongs> i see 3 pin and 2 pin shit
2017-05-22T12:06:33 < dongs> fuckin aids
2017-05-22T12:06:37 < zyp> i.e. if people worry about humidity/condensation, can I just say "np. just conformal coat it", or would that add enough to the price that there's a reason not to do it?
2017-05-22T12:07:14 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4R6nMj9o/IMG_0002.JPG
2017-05-22T12:07:24 < crt> Just don't do this
2017-05-22T12:07:44 < zyp> haha
2017-05-22T12:07:56 < ABLomas> :D
2017-05-22T12:07:58 < dongs> tom66-class conformal coating
2017-05-22T12:08:02 < zyp> more like conformal cumming
2017-05-22T12:08:48 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291672379632 i rly wanna know what usb eth chipset is in these fuckign things
2017-05-22T12:09:01 < dongs> if they can sell the shit for fucking $1.5 canadian bux
2017-05-22T12:11:02 < zyp> apparently it's only FS USB
2017-05-22T12:11:07 < dongs> wat
2017-05-22T12:11:11 < dongs> no fuckign way
2017-05-22T12:11:17 < zyp> "Kontron DM9601 (USB: 0fe6:9700) Cost $5 on Ebay, works OK with Dell laptop under WinXP & Debian. While it is advertised as USB 2.0, actually it is a USB 1.1 device, thus, its throughput is limited to 12 Mbps."
2017-05-22T12:11:28 < dongs> ahaha
2017-05-22T12:11:56 < dongs> so that thing is DM9601 chip?
2017-05-22T12:12:17 < dongs> https://projectgus.com/2013/03/anatomy-of-a-cheap-usb-ethernet-adapter/
2017-05-22T12:12:18 < dongs> is that it?
2017-05-22T12:12:22 < zyp> matches the vid/pid I found when I googled the number on the side of the thing
2017-05-22T12:12:40 < dongs> oh no ive seen that shitty page before
2017-05-22T12:12:45 < dongs> its some chink clone of apple crap
2017-05-22T12:14:57 < zyp> so yeah, probably DM9601 or similar shit
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2017-05-22T12:39:37 < Ecco> Is it possible to position a single symbol with a linker script?
2017-05-22T12:42:10 < dongs> unfortunately yes
2017-05-22T12:42:17 < dongs> but if you do that
2017-05-22T12:42:18 < Ecco> why unfortunately?
2017-05-22T12:42:20 < dongs> and get hired to work in a real company
2017-05-22T12:42:24 < dongs> and they find you doing that
2017-05-22T12:42:26 < Thorn> KEEP(*(.isr_vector))
2017-05-22T12:42:28 < dongs> you'll be fired instantly
2017-05-22T12:42:38 < Ecco> why?
2017-05-22T12:42:57  * karlp laughs
2017-05-22T12:43:06 < Ecco> Thorn: That position a section, not a symbol. Sure you can place a symbol in its own section, and that will do the trick.
2017-05-22T12:43:11 < zyp> Ecco, what symbol and why?
2017-05-22T12:43:27 < Ecco> A const char * signature
2017-05-22T12:43:38 < Ecco> so that I can check a binary firmware afterwards
2017-05-22T12:44:22 < zyp> just make a sector for it
2017-05-22T12:44:30 < Ecco> how?
2017-05-22T12:44:43 < Ecco> You meant section?
2017-05-22T12:44:49 < zyp> section* yes
2017-05-22T12:44:59 < dongs> why not just put it in last fucking page of flash
2017-05-22T12:44:59 < Ecco> ok, yeah, I could do that indede
2017-05-22T12:45:04 < Ecco> But dongs picked my curiosity
2017-05-22T12:45:13 < dongs> becuase your way will be retarded and non-portable
2017-05-22T12:45:17 < dongs> and non-obvious
2017-05-22T12:45:27 < zyp> or you could do the NXP trick and stuff it into a reserved vector table slot
2017-05-22T12:45:39 < zyp> but fuck that, that's just annoying
2017-05-22T12:45:39 < Ecco> yeah
2017-05-22T12:47:05 < zyp> dongs, how would you add a signature to a binary image then?
2017-05-22T12:48:00 < zyp> to be fair, depending on how you want the signature, it might be better to add it as a post processing step after building a binary image
2017-05-22T12:49:12 < zyp> dongs, last page of flash sounds dumb for something that's supposed to be part of the image itself
2017-05-22T12:49:25 < dongs> how s o'
2017-05-22T12:49:29 < dongs> you can just pUT IT IN HEX
2017-05-22T12:49:30 < dongs> AS LAST PAGE OF LFASH
2017-05-22T12:49:33 < dongs> and program it as such
2017-05-22T12:49:34 < dongs> etc
2017-05-22T12:49:36 < dongs> where's the problem
2017-05-22T12:50:47 < zyp> well, for one, if you miss adding it to the hex and flash a new one, you keep the old signature
2017-05-22T12:51:40 < dekar> I put signatures in front of the firmware and in-between interrupt vector and everything else for the bootloader.
2017-05-22T12:51:45 < zyp> and you'll cause a conflict if you want to add config pages and shit
2017-05-22T12:53:27 < dekar> https://pastebin.com/M89YKsaH
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2017-05-22T12:55:08 < zyp> "quirk"
2017-05-22T12:56:02 < Ecco> dekar: Yeah, that works. Wastes a bit of flash, but works
2017-05-22T12:56:16 < zyp> wastes flash how?
2017-05-22T12:56:29 < Ecco> ISR isn't/doesn'tneed to be 0x200 long
2017-05-22T12:56:46 < zyp> then don't put it at offset 0x200
2017-05-22T12:56:51 < Ecco> yeah, but that's hardcoded
2017-05-22T12:56:58 < zyp> then don't hardcode it
2017-05-22T12:57:08 < Ecco> But it is, here :)
2017-05-22T12:57:35 < zyp> the ISR is fixed size, just let the linker place the signature after the ISR
2017-05-22T12:57:49 < Ecco> yep
2017-05-22T12:58:06 < zyp> I would define a C struct for it and instance it and just put that in the section, similar to how the ISR is done
2017-05-22T12:58:28 < Ecco> yes allright :)
2017-05-22T12:58:30 < zyp> probably also add a magic constant to the start of it so you can search for it if you don't know the exact offset
2017-05-22T12:58:36 < Ecco> that's a good idea
2017-05-22T12:58:44 < zyp> or simply just validate that the offset you know is valid
2017-05-22T12:58:55 < Ecco> yeah, good suggestion, thanks
2017-05-22T12:59:12 < zyp> and having a defined struct also lets you print it directly in the debugger
2017-05-22T12:59:23 < zyp> so you can just attach and print to see whatever version is running
2017-05-22T13:02:33 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=line+96.931,90.625+to+98.481,91.888 what do i add into faggotfram to get that angle
2017-05-22T13:02:37 < dongs> (looks like 45-ish
2017-05-22T13:04:23 < zyp> arctan(0.814839)
2017-05-22T13:04:30 < zyp> gives 39.17 degrees
2017-05-22T13:04:42 < dongs> ya
2017-05-22T13:04:42 < dongs> nice
2017-05-22T13:04:45 < dongs> thanks!
2017-05-22T13:04:51 < dongs> thats waht I arrived at by randomly rotating the part
2017-05-22T13:04:53 < dongs> (39)
2017-05-22T13:07:52 < zyp> you could also just do atan2(y2 - y1, x2 - x1) and get the result directly
2017-05-22T13:08:19 < dongs> thats if I had a python console, but I'm not a fag
2017-05-22T13:09:30 < zyp> well, I meant in wolframalpha, but sure
2017-05-22T13:09:41 < zyp> any math console should be able to do that
2017-05-22T13:09:49 < dongs> ah
2017-05-22T13:10:17 < dongs> ok cool <3
2017-05-22T13:15:10 < zyp> thing is, atan(slope) gives you the angle, slope is (y2 - y1) / (x2 - x1), and that gives you a zero division if x2 == x1, so atan2() skips the problem by taking two arguments instead of the result of the division
2017-05-22T13:16:34 < zyp> and for this reason, pretty much any math lib has atan2(), including wolframalpha
2017-05-22T13:16:58 < zyp> the only calcs that can't are simple shit that can't even do functions with multiple arguments
2017-05-22T13:37:54 < crt> 🦆
2017-05-22T13:39:29 < dongs> im learning math
2017-05-22T13:39:37 < dongs> the shit i skipped in school
2017-05-22T13:40:02 < crt> yeah that was fun
2017-05-22T13:40:20 < crt> the only thing i learned in high school was differential calculus
2017-05-22T13:40:23 < crt> then i pulled a bong
2017-05-22T13:40:39 < crt> ten years later i started my eng degree
2017-05-22T13:40:49 < invzim> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Practical_Electronics/Crowbar_circuit
2017-05-22T13:40:55 < invzim> overkill for a device powered by usb charger?
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2017-05-22T13:41:15 < dongs> .. yes
2017-05-22T13:45:33 < invzim> tvs diode and ptc fuse good enough?
2017-05-22T13:45:55 < dongs> defnitely
2017-05-22T13:45:58 < dongs> i usually dont evne do that
2017-05-22T13:46:04 < dongs> depends how expensive is the crap connected.
2017-05-22T13:46:19 < invzim> it got a lot of expensive components on it (fpga, adc, dac etc), so don't want it to blow up because someone uses a shitty china charger
2017-05-22T13:47:24 < crt> it is suitable punishment however
2017-05-22T13:48:31 < dongs> up to you really
2017-05-22T13:51:13 < dongs> i'
2017-05-22T13:51:25 < dongs> i'd just stick reverse current pfet on there + zener/ptc
2017-05-22T13:51:35 < dongs> i mean, you're already powering it by garbage
2017-05-22T13:51:48 < dongs> maybe have a proper power supply in front of all the shit to clean up wahtever "5V" it migh receive
2017-05-22T13:51:56 < dongs> sounds like everything on there will be running at low voltages anyawy..
2017-05-22T13:52:06 < dongs> so pick a wider Vin switcher for main thing and done?
2017-05-22T13:55:08 < invzim> problem is I need 5v
2017-05-22T13:55:21 < invzim> just a couple of non-picky IC's
2017-05-22T13:56:13 < invzim> It all works great, I'm just picking at details
2017-05-22T13:58:12 < zyp> I've done tvs/ptc before, but I'm not sure that approach would protect 5V circuitry from overvoltage on a direct 5V supply very well
2017-05-22T13:59:16 < zyp> the TVS needs a margin above 5V where it's guaranteed to not short, and then there's another margin above that for when it's guaranteed to short
2017-05-22T14:00:04 < dongs> boost 5V from lower supply just for lulz
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2017-05-22T14:00:30 < zyp> which means that for a nominal 5V, the voltage can rise a fair amount before your protection kicks in, which might be too much to protect 5V circuitry
2017-05-22T14:01:03 < zyp> in my case I had a nominal 12V input, fed to a switcher that could handle more
2017-05-22T14:01:14 < dongs> is that on ll-0del
2017-05-22T14:01:20 < dongs> i forgot if that had a ptc/zener
2017-05-22T14:01:33 < invzim> the IC's have max rating of 7v, so in practice it should be fine
2017-05-22T14:01:44 < dongs> what's thge 5V parts?
2017-05-22T14:02:37 < invzim> 3 analog switches TS5V330CDBQR
2017-05-22T14:02:56 < invzim> and an 74ahct mux
2017-05-22T14:03:05 < zyp> dongs, yes
2017-05-22T14:03:12 < dongs> what the shit makes it a "video" switch
2017-05-22T14:03:16 < dongs> as opposed to prety much anything current
2017-05-22T14:03:21 < zyp> bandwidth?
2017-05-22T14:03:23 < dongs> with enough bandwidth for ntcs
2017-05-22T14:03:24 < dongs> yeah
2017-05-22T14:03:34 < zyp> and distortion maybe?
2017-05-22T14:03:45 < karlp> heh, 3ohm resistance
2017-05-22T14:03:59 < dongs> look at the block diagram, its just a pair of fets between each line
2017-05-22T14:04:06 < dongs> im sure anything modern would work
2017-05-22T14:04:38 < dongs> its basically bidirectional analog switch
2017-05-22T14:04:55 < dongs> doesnt even have any special 75ohm termination shit that would make it "video' specific
2017-05-22T14:05:07 < dongs> anyway im just trolling idgaf
2017-05-22T14:05:32 < dongs> invzim: just take 3.3V / whatever supply and boost that shit to 5V
2017-05-22T14:05:42 < dongs> you could probly even use some cheap part that doesnt need inductors or wahtever
2017-05-22T14:05:49 < dongs> as you only need few mA for that shit.
2017-05-22T14:06:29 < dongs> 2.5mA per input on switch and probly < 10mA for AHCT
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2017-05-22T14:15:35 < crt> welcome PeterM
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2017-05-22T14:48:55 < crt> i havent had a cigarette in 6 day
2017-05-22T14:51:17 < dongs> how does smoking fags compare to just getting it in the ass?
2017-05-22T14:51:22 < dongs> same/better/worse?
2017-05-22T14:52:34 < crt> better
2017-05-22T14:52:39 < crt> lolol
2017-05-22T14:53:13 < crt> i ended up becoming a smoker due to passive smoke
2017-05-22T14:53:20 < dongs> how gay
2017-05-22T14:53:22 < crt> i quit many years ago
2017-05-22T14:53:30 < crt> but the man i call the walking cigarette
2017-05-22T14:53:41 < crt> who i happen to work with
2017-05-22T14:53:41 < dongs> is he jap
2017-05-22T14:53:45 < crt> no
2017-05-22T14:53:51 < crt> the japanese smoker
2017-05-22T14:54:04 < crt> do you have many japanese smoking friends?
2017-05-22T14:54:15 < dongs> i dont have any friends, so its hard to sort them by smoking
2017-05-22T14:54:24 < dongs> but all the japs i know are fucking fulltime smoking fags
2017-05-22T14:54:26 < crt> no friends you say
2017-05-22T14:54:29 < dongs> like packs per day
2017-05-22T14:54:33 < crt> yeah
2017-05-22T14:57:14 < zyp> yeah, the japanese culture seems a bit old fashioned regarding smoking
2017-05-22T14:57:21 < zyp> at least from my perspective
2017-05-22T14:57:27 < crt> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-et7KM6ueGzE/UItjrojATBI/AAAAAAAAJ1I/W22DVaKu-NY/s1600/Smoking+Man.jpg
2017-05-22T14:58:16 < crt> http://www.gameranx.com/images/updates/12792901061.jpg
2017-05-22T14:58:17 < crt> lol
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2017-05-22T15:22:14 < invzim> dongs: so hook up a 5V booster thingie on the 3.3V rail?
2017-05-22T15:22:18 < dongs> ya
2017-05-22T15:22:24 < dongs> thats what i would do for such low current
2017-05-22T15:22:33 < invzim> any part#'s on the top of your head?
2017-05-22T15:23:08 < invzim> I video stuff took me pretty deep into analog land, but supply stuff is something I haven't really looked hard at before
2017-05-22T15:23:33 < karlp> mcp1640?
2017-05-22T15:23:40 < dongs> i used an uh... TLV61220 recently in something but thats cuz my shit was battery pwoered
2017-05-22T15:24:51 < dongs> that mcp looks good
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2017-05-22T15:25:21 < karlp> yah, cheap as shit
2017-05-22T15:25:41 < karlp> you've got 5uA Iq instead of 19, but... that's tiny :)
2017-05-22T15:25:56 < dongs> yeah, for his USB application it obviosuly wont matter
2017-05-22T15:26:23 < karlp> heh, http://www.ti.com/product/tps61098/description is down to 300nA Iq :)
2017-05-22T15:26:50 < dongs> how shit is the package
2017-05-22T15:26:52 < dongs> oh not too terrible
2017-05-22T15:27:08 < dongs> but vout max not gonna do 5V
2017-05-22T15:27:17 < dongs> looks like its for boosting single cell AA or something to like 3.3V etc
2017-05-22T15:31:31 < karlp> nah, wasn't suggesting it, was just a "suggested alternative" on your part
2017-05-22T15:32:05 < dongs> hehe
2017-05-22T15:51:03 < aduering> regarding SDIO, is it normal CMD16 (SET_BLOCKLEN) gives a CMD_RESP_TIMEOUT?
2017-05-22T15:56:05 < aduering> probably a problem with my code or the example code
2017-05-22T16:12:30 < Steffanx> englishman i see ARROW guys will be here next week. I will complain for you in person :P
2017-05-22T16:18:20 < fest> jeez farnell, thanks for letting me know the shipment I received two weeks back and didn't open until I needed it (today) has some items scheduled for delivery in the end of june
2017-05-22T16:25:19 < zyp> wtf kind of guy are you that doesn't open everything immediately?
2017-05-22T16:26:26 < dongs> i received parts from japs for pcba like 3 weeks ago
2017-05-22T16:26:29 < dongs> didnt open it until this weekend
2017-05-22T16:26:34 < dongs> found out they shorted half the parts
2017-05-22T16:26:41 < dongs> assembled just half, billed them for full
2017-05-22T16:26:52 < dongs> called them today, said, you fucks didnt include neough for complete ordered set
2017-05-22T16:26:54 < karlp> zyp: when you know what should be in it, and don't want to lose shit.
2017-05-22T16:26:55 < dongs> guy goes its ok, only half is fine
2017-05-22T16:29:17 < invzim> if there is one more ad-hoc meeting today where I have to be captain obvioius about non-technical stuff I'm going to explode
2017-05-22T16:30:28 < zyp> karlp, I prefer knowing what _is_ in it rather than what _should be_
2017-05-22T16:30:45 < dongs> losing shit sounds like what invzim is about to do
2017-05-22T16:30:46 < karlp> sure, but I understand not opening things instantly.
2017-05-22T16:34:53 < sync> I got burned by stuff like that one time
2017-05-22T16:35:05 < sync> from then on, instaopen everything and see if it is complete
2017-05-22T16:35:44 < dongs> the only time i realyl got fucked by jap ordering was when I bought 0603 resistors
2017-05-22T16:35:51 < dongs> and literally received 0602 resistors.
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2017-05-22T16:35:54 < zyp> I especially like the boxes with labels saying that "customs clearance is still pending, box must remain unopened until cleared" or something like that
2017-05-22T16:35:56 < dongs> er 0603
2017-05-22T16:35:59 < zyp> DHL likes putting those on boxes
2017-05-22T16:36:05 < dongs> zyp, what do you get then
2017-05-22T16:36:07 < dongs> an empty box?
2017-05-22T16:36:24 < dongs> oh must remain unopened
2017-05-22T16:36:31 < zyp> no, I'm just not supposed to open it until it's cleared
2017-05-22T16:36:45 < zyp> nobody that I've talked to cares about that
2017-05-22T16:39:57 < invzim> TLV61220 MCP1640 noted, takes a bit of worries about what gets into the pcb
2017-05-22T16:40:03 < invzim> away
2017-05-22T16:40:12 < dongs> i'd def go with mcp
2017-05-22T16:40:36 < dongs> TLV works but you dont need low power shit
2017-05-22T16:40:52 < invzim> I hate pic's - but they do make that is easy to use and cheap
2017-05-22T16:40:59 < invzim> stuff
2017-05-22T16:41:05 < invzim> man I'm tired :)
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2017-05-22T16:59:49 < fest> zyp: I'm used to doing that when dealing with sketchy local distributors but I hadn't seen farnell do something like that
2017-05-22T17:04:33 < zyp> idk, farnell also makes great fuckups
2017-05-22T17:05:26 < zyp> last time I ordered something from farnell, they shipped me the product I ordered and billed a completely unrelated company instead of me
2017-05-22T17:05:46 < dongs> that sounds like sucess
2017-05-22T17:07:01 < zyp> idk, I told them to fix their shit
2017-05-22T17:07:13 < dongs> intel definition of "slow fade" is puzzling
2017-05-22T17:07:20 < dongs> it pulses the led at ilke 2hz
2017-05-22T17:07:30 < dongs> fucking weird when they have regular blinking option of 0.25hz
2017-05-22T17:12:14 < jadew> how do you load solder paste from a can into a dispensing syringe?
2017-05-22T17:12:58 < crt> Do your blue vein
2017-05-22T17:13:16 < englishman> by buying the part number for syringe instead of can
2017-05-22T17:13:47 < jadew> great
2017-05-22T17:14:37 < englishman> syringing is a huge waste of time tho, don't forget the $12 steel stencil next time you order from china
2017-05-22T17:15:06 < jadew> I have a dispensing machine I never used
2017-05-22T17:15:38 < jadew> for small component count it might still be worth it
2017-05-22T17:16:43 < BrainDamage> is it those electropneumatic ones?
2017-05-22T17:16:53 < BrainDamage> where you have a foot swich and it squirts some?
2017-05-22T17:17:09 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah
2017-05-22T17:17:33 < jadew> I'll have to make some changes to it tho, seems to get triggered by everything
2017-05-22T17:17:59 < BrainDamage> slap a tumblr label on it
2017-05-22T17:18:04 < jadew> (soldering gun, compressor turning on and off, light switches)
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2017-05-22T17:18:44 < jadew> BrainDamage, don't know what that means :)
2017-05-22T17:21:59 < BrainDamage> tumblr is a social media site/blog hosting service used by mostly teenagers, and a decent portion of them are social justice warriors that abuse the term "triggered" used by PTSD sufferers when they get an attack of psychosis, except they get "triggered" if you don't forsee their gender neutral pronoun of choice before even have a chance to have a word with them, with the famous "did you just assume my gender?!" sentence being the poster
2017-05-22T17:21:59 < BrainDamage>  child
2017-05-22T17:21:59 < BrainDamage> of such idiotic behaviour
2017-05-22T17:29:39 < jadew> ok, the dispenser works great
2017-05-22T17:29:57 < jadew> the solder paste is not liquid enough tho and doesn't stick that great, but I can make it work
2017-05-22T17:30:50 < Rob235> hmm how to organize these moocs... I have 401 courses downloaded :P
2017-05-22T17:31:24 < crt> I needed to take a piss so I considered punching a hole in the wall and peeing in there but decided to use a toilet instead
2017-05-22T17:31:40 < Rob235> you're growing up crt!
2017-05-22T17:31:45 < Rob235> congrats
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2017-05-22T17:32:49 < crt> Hi Laurenceb_
2017-05-22T17:32:57 < crt> Did you hear about my dick
2017-05-22T17:33:22 < Rob235> someone invented a microscope that can actually see it!
2017-05-22T17:33:28 < crt> Hahahahha
2017-05-22T17:33:39 < crt> It's just like a penis, only smaller!
2017-05-22T17:34:58 < crt> I said that to a guy pissing against a fence, he chased me but slipped on a banana skin
2017-05-22T17:35:36 < Rob235> peel*
2017-05-22T17:35:47 < crt> Hmm
2017-05-22T17:36:08 < crt> Did I tell you about the lesbian cafe around the corner from my old work
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2017-05-22T17:38:14 < Rob235> got my first sunburn of the season yesterday, sucks being a ginger, I was only out in the sun for about an hour
2017-05-22T17:38:44 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-05-22T17:38:50  * Laurenceb_ got trolled irl
2017-05-22T17:39:00 < Laurenceb_> my latest paper got rejected
2017-05-22T17:39:06 < sync> rip
2017-05-22T17:39:06 < crt> Why
2017-05-22T17:39:11 < Laurenceb_> 6 years work wasted
2017-05-22T17:39:23 < crt> Crt?
2017-05-22T17:39:28 < Laurenceb_>  it is only an incremental development, lacking the novelty and potential impact in the fields of engineering and computing needed for publication
2017-05-22T17:39:37 < Laurenceb_> nah laser doppler
2017-05-22T17:39:42 < Rob235> ouch
2017-05-22T17:39:44 < crt> Oh
2017-05-22T17:39:54 < crt> Better do gender studies
2017-05-22T17:39:56 < karlp> Rob235: don't feel bad, I'm kinda darker than most people here and I got pretty pink ont he weekend too :)
2017-05-22T17:39:57 < Laurenceb_> took 24 months to review it
2017-05-22T17:40:05 < Rob235> :)
2017-05-22T17:40:10 < Laurenceb_> thats after >1 year for review in other journals
2017-05-22T17:40:17 < crt> Yes
2017-05-22T17:40:35 < Laurenceb_> how the fuck does emdrive get published
2017-05-22T17:40:39 < Laurenceb_> shit makes no sense
2017-05-22T17:40:46 < Laurenceb_> in a few months too
2017-05-22T17:41:20 < BrainDamage> time to depress you a bit more http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/
2017-05-22T17:43:15 < Laurenceb_> that url sounds lulz inducing
2017-05-22T17:43:48 < Laurenceb_> oh wow my review is full retard
2017-05-22T17:43:52 < Steffanx> Ginger Rob. Then my client made your nick orange for a reason
2017-05-22T17:44:21 < Laurenceb_>  "2mHz low pass", this should be 2MHz  ?
2017-05-22T17:44:39 < Laurenceb_> because blood flow in humans oscillates at 2MHz
2017-05-22T17:44:51 < emeb> someone is lacking context
2017-05-22T17:45:08  * Laurenceb_ was writing about standard filtering methods for blood flow data
2017-05-22T17:45:30 < Laurenceb_> clearly it would be sampled at >4Msps
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2017-05-22T17:45:38 < Steffanx> Better write millihertz next time
2017-05-22T17:45:52 < Laurenceb_> no wonder it got rejected
2017-05-22T17:46:33 < emeb> Laurenceb_: just one reviewer? Don't they usually have a panel?
2017-05-22T17:46:50 < Laurenceb_> they had 3 and one declined to review it
2017-05-22T17:47:00 < Laurenceb_> so I have two review comments
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2017-05-22T17:47:17 < Laurenceb_> first reviewer liked it but had corrections, second recommended for rejection
2017-05-22T17:47:26 < Laurenceb_> so it was rejected  :-/
2017-05-22T17:47:35 < Laurenceb_> the whole system is broken
2017-05-22T17:47:41 < emeb> Laurenceb_: what journal?
2017-05-22T17:47:42 < karlp> this is news to you?
2017-05-22T17:47:47 < Laurenceb_> heh karlp
2017-05-22T17:47:51 < Laurenceb_> emeb: MBEC
2017-05-22T17:47:56 < englishman> the lesson is to never try
2017-05-22T17:48:00 < Steffanx> Maybe the reviewer is in here and is trolling you
2017-05-22T17:48:08 < Laurenceb_> http://www.springer.com/biomed/human+physiology/journal/11517
2017-05-22T17:48:13 < emeb> Laurenceb_: any others you could send it to?
2017-05-22T17:48:22 < Laurenceb_> dunno I've tried about 7 now
2017-05-22T17:48:38 < Laurenceb_> need to try to find the other authors and ask their advice
2017-05-22T17:48:42 < Steffanx> Rockoon will make it.
2017-05-22T17:48:52 < emeb> I used to read a lot of IEEE journals - was always amused about where some stuff would show up.
2017-05-22T17:49:11 < emeb> Signal processing stuff published in the automotive tech section, etc.
2017-05-22T17:49:24 < Laurenceb_> tbh I'm temped to try something with shit impact factor at this point
2017-05-22T17:51:18 < englishman> careful, if you make shit up and it sticks, you have to keep going with it
2017-05-22T17:51:24 < englishman> thats how em:drive works
2017-05-22T17:52:50 < Steffanx> Em:drive doesnt work -_-
2017-05-22T17:53:29 < Laurenceb_> but thetravellerreturns said it does
2017-05-22T17:54:05 < Laurenceb_>  > the conceptual penis is the conceptual driver behind much of climate change.
2017-05-22T17:54:11 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-05-22T17:54:44 < Laurenceb_>  > applied to our natural environment, especially virgin environments
2017-05-22T17:54:48 < crt> Em dud
2017-05-22T17:55:13 < Laurenceb_> the nasaspaceflight forum is even slower than peer review
2017-05-22T17:55:40 < Laurenceb_> over 4000 pages of shitposting
2017-05-22T17:59:27 < Laurenceb_> We feel that your manuscript would be well-suited to our Cogent Series, a multidisciplinary, open journal platform for the rapid dissemination of peer-reviewed research
2017-05-22T17:59:40 < Laurenceb_> oh wow, tiem to submit my paper there
2017-05-22T17:59:54 < Laurenceb_>  "Laser Doppler is a social construct"
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2017-05-22T18:21:05 < invzim> that sucks, at least they could have given you a revise and resubmit
2017-05-22T18:26:12 < Rob235> whats the best video converter? seems like any video converter, freemake, and wondershare are the top 3?
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2017-05-22T18:29:15 < englishman> handbrake?
2017-05-22T18:29:34 < englishman> hello canuck
2017-05-22T18:29:36 < englishman> enjoying the holiday
2017-05-22T18:30:08 < englishman> the hooray-for-hereditary-monarchy day
2017-05-22T18:30:17 < englishman> or in the french part, off-with-their-heads day
2017-05-22T18:31:25 < englishman> wut
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2017-05-22T18:33:49 < jadew> it came out nice
2017-05-22T18:34:21 < jadew> but I think I should crank up the heat, because the solder didn't seem as smooth as it gets when I use the soldering iron
2017-05-22T18:34:56 < jadew> I made other mistakes too, but those I know how to fix
2017-05-22T18:40:49 < jadew> more heat, right? http://imgur.com/a/m5rTi
2017-05-22T18:41:24 < jadew> or longer cooking?
2017-05-22T18:52:25 < englishman> looks fine
2017-05-22T18:52:41 < englishman> toaster oven?
2017-05-22T18:52:52 < jadew> yeah
2017-05-22T18:53:00 < jadew> without controller
2017-05-22T18:53:27 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-22T18:53:40 < englishman> you can tell there is no soak
2017-05-22T18:53:58 < englishman> great fillet on the 0402 on the power side
2017-05-22T18:54:05 < englishman> almost nothing on the huge ground paddles
2017-05-22T18:54:28 < englishman> but, its fine
2017-05-22T18:54:52 < jadew> cool
2017-05-22T19:06:55 < Thorn> >the number of quarks in the universe is conserved
2017-05-22T19:06:57 < qyx> hows that china shipping
2017-05-22T19:06:57 < Thorn> wat
2017-05-22T19:07:10 < qyx> I do have a tracking number and I know it is valid
2017-05-22T19:07:27 < qyx> but occassionally it is listed as "not found"
2017-05-22T19:07:33 < qyx> I mean, most of the time
2017-05-22T19:12:47 < englishman> qyx: found an interesting complement to si7020 http://www.silabs.com/documents/public/data-sheets/Si1133.pdf
2017-05-22T19:13:13 < englishman> it can actually measure daylight lux intensities
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2017-05-22T19:18:53 < qyx> great
2017-05-22T19:19:01 < qyx> I just received some VEML6040 sensors
2017-05-22T19:19:45 < englishman> for same purpose?
2017-05-22T19:20:24 < qyx> no, some work related color detection stuff
2017-05-22T19:20:57 < qyx> but that si1133 looks good for my meteo
2017-05-22T19:21:08 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-22T19:21:12 < englishman> 16klux is pretty low
2017-05-22T19:21:22 < englishman> for daylight
2017-05-22T19:21:25 < englishman> sensing
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2017-05-22T19:57:34 < karlp> oh makefiles.
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2017-05-22T20:03:14 < karlp> got different linker scripts for 32k and 64k flash builds, but can't work out how to get a nice define into the build so that I can turn off chunks of code.
2017-05-22T20:03:52 < karlp> means I need to recompile the objects for each size, can't just have the .o's built once and shared.
2017-05-22T20:04:31 < zyp> only the object that references the functions you want to throw out
2017-05-22T20:04:47 < zyp> the linker will throw out anything unreferenced when it's garbage collecting
2017-05-22T20:04:55 < zyp> but yeah
2017-05-22T20:05:09 < karlp> yeah, I know, but that's goign to need a lot of fiddling to get things in the right chunks for that.
2017-05-22T20:05:21 < zyp> this sounds like another thing scons variant builds solves
2017-05-22T20:05:23 < zyp> just saying :p
2017-05-22T20:05:31 < karlp> next step is then to enable thebootloader  for the 64k targets.
2017-05-22T20:05:34 < karlp> yeah, its a pain.
2017-05-22T20:06:13 < zyp> then again, variant builds is just a convenient way to handle building everything multiple times
2017-05-22T20:06:23 < zyp> it just makes a copy of the tree for each variant
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2017-05-22T20:11:46 < karlp> yeah, and I can do that with multiple make invocations too.
2017-05-22T20:12:05 < karlp> it might make the buildfiles themselves a little easier to read, but that's only part of the picture
2017-05-22T20:15:24 < zyp> :)
2017-05-22T20:15:34 < zyp> one day I'm gonna make you drink the scons kool-aid too
2017-05-22T20:16:45 < karlp> unlikely.  it's too niche I'm afraid.
2017-05-22T20:17:22 < karlp> but hey, anything's possible.
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2017-05-22T20:18:41 < invzim> can a 1206 inductor be used interchangably with a coil if they both have the same inductance?
2017-05-22T20:18:56 < invzim> looking at the mcp1640 stuff
2017-05-22T20:19:01 < karlp> worked for me ;)
2017-05-22T20:19:03 < zyp> what's the difference between a coil and an inductor?
2017-05-22T20:19:23 < invzim> a coil is an inductor, but you have some funnyparts that are also inductors but not coils?
2017-05-22T20:19:30 < karlp> nah.
2017-05-22T20:19:41 < karlp> you just get them small enough that they're made a different way.
2017-05-22T20:19:45 < zyp> ceramic inductors are also coils, sort of
2017-05-22T20:20:06 < karlp> doesn't matter if it's a "coil" all that matters is whether it's an inductor
2017-05-22T20:20:27 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2000pcs-lot-0805-SMD-Inductance-Stack-Inductance-0805-4-7UH-10-Accuracy/32776373524.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.36.RfBpwu&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_5010012_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10157_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100030_100031_10099_100029_10103_100028_10102_5190013_10096_10147_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10171_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_519_101
2017-05-22T20:20:45 < invzim> it's a lot easier pcb and assembly wise
2017-05-22T20:20:59 < zyp> easier than what?
2017-05-22T20:21:16 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20PCS-lot-SMD-power-inductors-CD127-12-12-7MM-2-2UH-3-3UH-4-7UH-6/32789406443.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.16.RfBpwu&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_5010012_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10157_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100030_100031_10099_100029_10103_100028_10102_5190013_10096_10147_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10171_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_519_10111_101
2017-05-22T20:21:23 < invzim> these guys
2017-05-22T20:21:31 < zyp> because you can't reflow?
2017-05-22T20:21:45 < zyp> once you reflow, SMT is SMT
2017-05-22T20:22:20 < invzim> smaller, easier to hand solder if needed, don't have to make yet another footprint etc, and a lot cheaper too it seems
2017-05-22T20:22:38 < zyp> well, remember to compare the specs properly :)
2017-05-22T20:23:04 < zyp> physical size is usually proportional to the product of inductance and current capacity
2017-05-22T20:26:18 < aandrew> I usually have trouble selecting inductors because I am not sure how important Q is in regulator applications
2017-05-22T20:26:31 < aandrew> but that second link is the typical type of power inductor I use
2017-05-22T20:28:15 < sync> for switchers I don't think it matters a lot
2017-05-22T20:29:03 < invzim> mouser to the rescue, their web stuff really is the best imo
2017-05-22T20:29:15 < invzim> I often feel bad for using it to find parts, and then shopping from someone else
2017-05-22T20:29:18 < invzim> http://no.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Inductors/Fixed-Inductors/_/N-wpcz?P=1z0wrgfZ1yzvlkuZ1z0z7ym
2017-05-22T20:31:26 < aandrew> invzim: I don't. I use digikey for almost everything, mouser very very very rarely (for purchases or browsing)
2017-05-22T20:31:40 < aandrew> their website is shit, their shipping is shit, their prices are almost identical to digikey
2017-05-22T20:34:26 < zyp> their shipping?
2017-05-22T20:34:38 < zyp> is there even a difference between digikey and mouser wrt. shipping?
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2017-05-22T20:41:38 < qyx> I usually use DR74 or similar packages for switchers
2017-05-22T20:41:45 < qyx> or 3225 if possible
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2017-05-22T20:42:46 < qyx> check ferrocore mfg. on tme.eu
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2017-05-22T23:39:03 < Rob235> damn scale, I change batteries, weigh myself, dont use it for a month and its always dead when I try again
2017-05-22T23:39:13 < Rob235> pos
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2017-05-22T23:54:07 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09gJX0Cc6p0 better music times maybe?
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2017-05-23T00:18:24 < invzim> allright, microchip samples ftw :)  (for MCP1640)
2017-05-23T00:19:41 < Steffanx> Those are so cheap... Y u no buy?
2017-05-23T00:21:03 < invzim> shipping cost and time
2017-05-23T00:21:12 < invzim> + it's actually a geniune sample
2017-05-23T00:22:27 < invzim> if I had a digikey locally or in my country, I would order from them all the time - now I'm pretty much limited to samples and aliexpress for jellybean stuff
2017-05-23T00:23:12 < invzim> I would actually LOVE to be able to just pick the parts I want/need off digikey
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2017-05-23T00:44:23 < Steffanx> No farnell invzim ?
2017-05-23T00:44:30 < Steffanx> Or rs
2017-05-23T00:44:33 < Steffanx> Or.
2017-05-23T00:44:41 < Steffanx> Morning crt
2017-05-23T00:48:18 < invzim> you can order from them, but often doesn't make sense as courier wants 20+USD tax processing fees, I think at least 20 USD shipping + 25% sales tax on what you buy (including shipping) + the actual parts
2017-05-23T00:48:59 < invzim> if you do a production thing it makes sense, but just for small qty it does not
2017-05-23T00:52:11 < Steffanx> No local farnell and/or rs i norway?!
2017-05-23T00:52:45 < invzim> not last time I checked
2017-05-23T00:54:40 < Steffanx> Ok. Here in dutchland farnell ships for free to companies. Often stuff gets  here from the uk or belgium
2017-05-23T00:56:07 < Steffanx> For non-companies some dutch guy started a "proxy". His company places to order with my address as shipping address for minimal fees.
2017-05-23T00:56:27 < invzim> just checked rsonline, 5xMCP1640 = 18.23 euro inc shipping, which wasn't as bad as I thought - but samples are way better at 0 eur :)
2017-05-23T00:57:45 < Steffanx> Even conrad has them. Yay.
2017-05-23T00:58:39 < englishman> Steffanx: dont need to hunt anymore http://i.imgur.com/uWKpCO5.jpg
2017-05-23T01:00:31 < Steffanx> Hehe
2017-05-23T01:00:32 < kakimir> shii
2017-05-23T01:00:52 < kakimir> can you pet them?
2017-05-23T01:01:12 < englishman> much
2017-05-23T01:01:20 < kakimir> what do they think?
2017-05-23T01:01:27 < englishman> "tweet"
2017-05-23T01:01:34 < kakimir> that you are their mother
2017-05-23T01:01:35 < kakimir> ?
2017-05-23T01:01:37 < englishman> they are rather bird brained
2017-05-23T01:01:47 < kakimir> literally
2017-05-23T01:02:32 < kakimir> these are all chicken?
2017-05-23T01:02:38 < englishman> yes
2017-05-23T01:02:53 < kakimir> why they are yellow btw?
2017-05-23T01:03:05 < Steffanx> No more geese?
2017-05-23T01:03:37 < kakimir> why chicks are yellow and full crown chicken are white-brown-black
2017-05-23T01:03:48 < kakimir> *grown
2017-05-23T01:04:36 < Steffanx> They ate the orange/yellow part of the egg
2017-05-23T01:06:09 < kakimir> hmm
2017-05-23T01:07:57 < Steffanx> Fyi that is not the reason
2017-05-23T01:08:32 < crt> Morning stffn
2017-05-23T01:08:40 < crt> Where is stvn
2017-05-23T01:08:46 < crt> 🦆
2017-05-23T01:10:15 < Steffanx> Its just some evolutionary thing, camouflage or whatever. Not all chicks are yellowish
2017-05-23T01:10:45 < kakimir> did read about it too
2017-05-23T01:11:10 < kakimir> it's a trait of domesticated chicken
2017-05-23T01:11:55 < kakimir> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kvLEWGi8JZg/VYBrVxWJFHI/AAAAAAAA7so/kkihlCs2-Sc/s1600/6-14-10%2BClarice%2B%2526%2BBessie%2BFINISHED.png
2017-05-23T01:12:00 < kakimir> here the natural look
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2017-05-23T01:47:08 < kakimir> secs with trainee girl?
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2017-05-23T01:54:58 < Laurenceb_> assplosion in manchester
2017-05-23T01:55:12 < Laurenceb_> Buddhists at it again
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2017-05-23T01:55:52 < kakimir> oh that one
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2017-05-23T01:56:18 < Laurenceb_> shit
2017-05-23T01:56:25 < Laurenceb_> fatalities
2017-05-23T01:56:30 < kakimir> anyone has properly died?
2017-05-23T01:56:44 < kakimir> at what magnitude?
2017-05-23T01:56:46 < Laurenceb_> apparently a big music concert is being attacked atm
2017-05-23T01:56:57 < kakimir> ariana grande concert
2017-05-23T01:57:10 < Laurenceb_> sounds like Paris style
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2017-05-23T01:58:31 < kakimir> any graphic content yet Laurenceb_ ?
2017-05-23T01:59:38 < Laurenceb_> liveleak is that way ->
2017-05-23T02:01:09 < Laurenceb_> in more +ive news, electron launch is soon
2017-05-23T02:03:09 < kakimir> +ive, electron launch+
2017-05-23T02:03:22 < kakimir> what are you talkin
2017-05-23T02:06:27 < Laurenceb_> a rocket
2017-05-23T02:06:29 < Laurenceb_> oh shit
2017-05-23T02:06:40 < Laurenceb_> goreposting on chans
2017-05-23T02:06:47 < Laurenceb_> _many_ bodies
2017-05-23T02:07:17 < Laurenceb_> yeuch
2017-05-23T02:07:25  * Laurenceb_ closes 4chan tab
2017-05-23T02:07:54 < kakimir> how many?
2017-05-23T02:08:48 < Laurenceb_> dunno if they are dead or not...don't want to know tbh
2017-05-23T02:09:07 < Laurenceb_> someone was livestreaming from ground zero
2017-05-23T02:15:05 < Laurenceb_> > Ariana Grande > Literally an ex-nickelodeon star. > Had it coming tbh
2017-05-23T02:15:10 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ never changes
2017-05-23T02:15:51 < kakimir> hey
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2017-05-23T02:16:02 < kakimir> how to find shit in this cancer
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2017-05-23T02:22:39 < kakimir> h0w ab0ut help me a little Laurenceb_ ?
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2017-05-23T02:25:45 < kakimir> possibly stompade Laurenceb_
2017-05-23T02:26:09 < kakimir> like loveparade few years back
2017-05-23T02:28:35 < crt> IS IT A DOG ACT, OR A CANINE PERFORMANCE
2017-05-23T02:30:14 < kakimir> I have a medical procedure that works just okay for you crt
2017-05-23T02:31:11 < crt> yeah muscles
2017-05-23T02:31:17 < kakimir> see "lobotomy"
2017-05-23T02:31:42 < kakimir> it's a little bit old style but should do it
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2017-05-23T02:47:41 < crt> u wot mate
2017-05-23T02:47:55 < crt> i'm too busy doing the warranty
2017-05-23T03:03:05 < Laurenceb_> Radical Inuit terrorism
2017-05-23T03:03:40 < crt> schutzstaffel
2017-05-23T03:04:59 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/yt2HmyY
2017-05-23T03:06:34 < kakimir> better be gore
2017-05-23T03:07:25 < kakimir> interesting
2017-05-23T03:10:41 < crt> ok
2017-05-23T03:10:43 < crt> i'll click too
2017-05-23T03:12:16 < crt> okay
2017-05-23T03:13:05 < crt> pretty weird, cut
2017-05-23T03:15:13 < kakimir> acted vs real personality is interesting
2017-05-23T03:16:56 < crt> yeah
2017-05-23T03:17:11 < crt> every performer wants to drop a nuke in the centre of the crowd
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2017-05-23T04:24:35 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOjH0zVXadw
2017-05-23T04:30:37 < crt> 3F3 mate
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2017-05-23T04:50:10 < crt> keep pumping
2017-05-23T04:52:39 < crt> my esd strap is being a little dog
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2017-05-23T05:21:44 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/6codr3/really_big_chandelier/
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2017-05-23T05:55:04 < crt>  the fucken dogs
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2017-05-23T05:57:08 < crt> GOON WOLF
2017-05-23T05:57:38 < crt> THE FUCKEN DOGS IS LOADED MATE
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2017-05-23T06:09:49 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN5UfJA2evY
2017-05-23T06:09:53 < crt> it sstefn
2017-05-23T06:28:38 < ohsix> tits
2017-05-23T06:29:11 < ohsix> upgrdman: beep
2017-05-23T06:29:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, sup
2017-05-23T06:29:34 < ohsix> pros are putting classes together and the edjamacators say some stuff sounds dumb to the average person
2017-05-23T06:29:39 < ohsix> like solder, and oscilloscope
2017-05-23T06:30:11 < ohsix> guy that puts together the classes likes the title 'soldering school', but for the past 2 intervals not enough people signed up to do the class
2017-05-23T06:30:21 < ohsix> they build a jye oscilloscope and it takes forever
2017-05-23T06:31:11 < ohsix> so, i've been saying 'electronics assembly' as a title, and when we were talking about kits to build someone mentioned a clock, which is useful to a lot of people even if they don't continue or get into electronics
2017-05-23T06:31:14 < ohsix> wat say u
2017-05-23T06:31:44 < ohsix> ther'es a contradiction somewhere in people knowing what soldering is, but not being already into electronics or knowing how to solder
2017-05-23T06:31:55 < ohsix> q.e.d it is horrible to put in the title
2017-05-23T06:33:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, so you want to manufacture a bunch of Admed Mohamed's huh? lol
2017-05-23T06:34:04 < upgrdman> but seriosuly, im not sure.
2017-05-23T06:34:19 < upgrdman> my first elec project was an LED light for my rc buggy
2017-05-23T06:34:34 < upgrdman> like 80 5mm LEDs + series resistors + 8 AA's
2017-05-23T06:34:42 < upgrdman> soldered to perf board
2017-05-23T06:35:01 < upgrdman> but dunno why someone would make that now, when ali/ebay/hf sell's em for $2
2017-05-23T06:35:40 < crt> wtf is this alla snackbar shit
2017-05-23T06:38:03 < crt> lissin mudda fukka
2017-05-23T06:42:44 < ohsix> upgrdman: just get more of the publi into stuff
2017-05-23T06:42:59 < ohsix> think about other local city junk people do, banjo lessons, other social shit
2017-05-23T06:43:08 < ohsix> you just get them around / curious people are the ones that show up
2017-05-23T06:44:00 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-23T06:46:28 < ohsix> if you assume people are repulsed by the word soldering, for whatever reason, what might you call such a class
2017-05-23T06:46:59 < ohsix> people know what electronics are, they don't necessarily know what's in them
2017-05-23T06:47:21 < ohsix> it's kind of a value-add when you call it assembly, since you have time to say what the circuit does, do a little intro to what the parts do, and have them build it
2017-05-23T06:47:47 < ohsix> 'this is what is in your electronic devices, and how they're built'
2017-05-23T06:53:00 < upgrdman> i guess assy is fine
2017-05-23T06:53:21 < upgrdman> but i dunno, im not sure i would want to teach people how to solder, if they dont know what solder even is
2017-05-23T06:54:15 < dongs> but do they know what autism is
2017-05-23T06:56:27 < crt> lol
2017-05-23T06:56:34 < crt> the important questions
2017-05-23T06:58:31 < dongs> how to complete EE projects step by step guide: get a grip of Concerta and overdose on it
2017-05-23T07:13:37 < crt> pump on irc
2017-05-23T07:21:47 < crt> a distribution of stroopwafels for Steffan's sugar trade
2017-05-23T07:22:11 < crt> tectu owns the pharmaceutical company who makes diabeetus meds
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2017-05-23T07:56:20 < ohsix> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/016/652/817/0a13297e3256197240566a9089c51954_original.gif?w=680&fit=max&v=1494636358&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=a9bafe7d9abf2311406245ec2a8c598d the hot new drone kcikstarter
2017-05-23T07:56:41 < ohsix> upgrdman: yea that's the main issue
2017-05-23T07:57:02 < ohsix> for people that don't know what it is, they'll not already know they don't want to do it olol
2017-05-23T07:57:52 < ohsix> moreover with the assembly title, the scope is large enough for people that already know how to do it, or know of it; and actually find out the other stuff
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2017-05-23T08:02:44 < englishman> crt Steffanx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nWki2rSEOU
2017-05-23T08:03:06 < ohsix> was in a meeting with the college person that organizes some of the stuff, only one, mind; so i dunno how well they actually know wat they're doing. they can't do clever stuff like send out versions with different callback numbers to see what people respond to
2017-05-23T08:05:54 < crt> they're alive
2017-05-23T08:05:57 < crt> right?
2017-05-23T08:06:15 < englishman> for now
2017-05-23T08:12:58 < crt> yes
2017-05-23T08:19:11 < crt> sl1200s
2017-05-23T08:20:44 < crt> technics sl1200 turntables
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2017-05-23T08:30:53 < dongs> url to kickstarter
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2017-05-23T08:34:43 < englishman> dongs where is link to stencil printer dickstarter so i can get the earlybird discount
2017-05-23T08:36:16 < englishman> why would you ever tell the truth unless absolutely necessary?
2017-05-23T08:36:39 < englishman> you already have your high tech idea, you are already further along than 69% of dickstarters
2017-05-23T08:37:32 < englishman> raise money with dickstarter, then you have time to work on it
2017-05-23T08:37:46 < englishman> problems = solved
2017-05-23T08:38:08 < englishman> then go back to day job
2017-05-23T08:38:26 < englishman> knowing you have happily spent other peoples money
2017-05-23T08:38:32 < englishman> what about them?
2017-05-23T08:38:49 < englishman> that sucks for you
2017-05-23T08:39:07 < englishman> you promised nothing and delivered on your promises
2017-05-23T08:39:20 < englishman> yet you feel bad
2017-05-23T08:39:46 < englishman> but why
2017-05-23T08:39:56 < englishman> just dont put chance of success
2017-05-23T08:40:09 < englishman> like zano, chance of success was negative
2017-05-23T08:40:17 < englishman> but they didnt write that
2017-05-23T08:40:20 < englishman> lying to nobody
2017-05-23T08:40:26 < englishman> bam, $4m
2017-05-23T08:40:59 < englishman> bmws and boats
2017-05-23T08:41:23 < englishman> and a large part gone to rent i bet
2017-05-23T08:41:25 < englishman> hahahahahahaha
2017-05-23T08:41:38 < englishman> give back
2017-05-23T08:41:39 < englishman> ?
2017-05-23T08:41:48 < englishman> are you starting a charity or a business
2017-05-23T08:41:52 < englishman> i thought you lived in america
2017-05-23T08:42:10 < crt> fuckin
2017-05-23T08:42:11 < crt> shit
2017-05-23T08:43:45 < englishman> their boats are currently bigger than yours will ever be
2017-05-23T08:44:47 < englishman> hi crt
2017-05-23T08:44:54 < crt> hey bro
2017-05-23T08:45:22 < englishman> hows keiling
2017-05-23T08:47:09 < crt> lol
2017-05-23T08:47:26  * crt turns around and looks at a bunch of turntables and powered speakers on the bench....
2017-05-23T08:47:31 < crt> umm.. ye..... pretty good!
2017-05-23T08:47:58 < crt> yep i count 8 SL1200 decks and 6 powered speakers
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2017-05-23T08:51:46 < crt> http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/thousands-of-concertgoers-flee-manchester-arena-in-terror-after-loud-bangs-heard-at-ariana-grande-gig/news-story/6d44d0f690fc6b70884239fd142eb7aa
2017-05-23T08:51:55 < crt> yeh so i'm flying to UK in a week
2017-05-23T08:53:03 < englishman> where are the refugees
2017-05-23T08:53:11 < englishman> i havent seen a single one
2017-05-23T08:53:18 < englishman> nor been shot / run over by one
2017-05-23T08:53:43 < englishman> pretty sure its fake news
2017-05-23T08:54:55 < englishman> still cant get any good shawarma
2017-05-23T08:55:00 < englishman> bring em on
2017-05-23T08:55:16 < englishman> im not joking
2017-05-23T08:55:18 < crt> guess all that 'surveillance' and cuck laws are working perfectly!
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2017-05-23T08:55:25 < englishman> i cannot get any good shawarma
2017-05-23T08:55:31 < englishman> its all made by white people
2017-05-23T08:56:11 < englishman> cannot remember the last time i saw a real lebanese
2017-05-23T08:56:16 < englishman> let alone a syrian
2017-05-23T08:56:27 < crt> or a dolphin
2017-05-23T08:56:32 < englishman> or a dolphin
2017-05-23T08:56:44 < englishman> cannot get any good dolphin meat
2017-05-23T08:56:49 < englishman> or syria meat
2017-05-23T08:56:57 < crt> the nigger effect
2017-05-23T08:57:02 < englishman> i hope dolphins emigrate here
2017-05-23T08:57:50 < englishman> explosion from what
2017-05-23T08:57:54 < englishman> a fondue boiling over
2017-05-23T08:58:16 < englishman> never seen that before
2017-05-23T08:58:24 < crt> spontaneously exploding grain silos
2017-05-23T08:58:31 < englishman> why would someone want to do that
2017-05-23T08:58:38 < englishman> oh yeah
2017-05-23T08:58:45 < englishman> that propane tank on that grain silo
2017-05-23T08:58:48 < englishman> big fire
2017-05-23T08:58:57 < englishman> good stuff
2017-05-23T08:59:09 < englishman> no see, life here is good
2017-05-23T08:59:13 < englishman> no cause for explosions
2017-05-23T09:00:26 < crt> gender studies students not liberals r2
2017-05-23T09:01:35 < englishman> pretty sure r2com has never seen a darkie irl either
2017-05-23T09:01:48 < Steffanx> Lol monologue much
2017-05-23T09:02:02 < englishman> goes home at night closes his shutters and pets his guns
2017-05-23T09:02:35 < englishman> goedemorgen steffanx
2017-05-23T09:02:48 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nFMTjlI7/IMG_0079.MP4
2017-05-23T09:02:50 < Steffanx> Hallo englishman
2017-05-23T09:03:29 < crt> idk the fuclikjxfyjdt7uw5uisygfkj
2017-05-23T09:03:30 < crt> .
2017-05-23T09:03:37 < Steffanx> Lol crt. 😎
2017-05-23T09:03:45 < englishman> spin spin, spin the sugary circle
2017-05-23T09:04:37 < Steffanx> Im sure you are alone atm. Or do they already know you are crazy crt ?
2017-05-23T09:04:48 < crt> everyone does
2017-05-23T09:04:57 < crt> if i try to act normal people think i'm weird so....
2017-05-23T09:07:47 < crt> well apparently i repair guitars under warranty as of today
2017-05-23T09:08:14 < crt> dunn how somebody knows i've played gtr for 15 years
2017-05-23T09:08:18 < crt> *dunno
2017-05-23T09:09:40 < crt> yuh i've sold all mine except my gibson les paul
2017-05-23T09:10:30 < crt> yeah
2017-05-23T09:14:23 < dongs> < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nFMTjlI7/IMG_0079.MP4
2017-05-23T09:14:24 < dongs> lol
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2017-05-23T09:15:10 < dongs> sax but i havenet played in like 20 years
2017-05-23T09:15:20 < dongs> so I'd say no
2017-05-23T09:15:56 < Ultrasauce> i dunno you're the expert on that R2COM
2017-05-23T09:15:56 < dongs> well... yeah?
2017-05-23T09:16:00 < dongs> ^ lol
2017-05-23T09:19:08 < Ultrasauce> still working away on my synth so i can combine my lack of talents for music and electronics
2017-05-23T09:19:49 < dongs> you should team with that dude that stops in here occasioaly
2017-05-23T09:19:57 < dongs> with wahtever weird bullshit analog synth
2017-05-23T09:20:02 < dongs> on home etched boards
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2017-05-23T09:34:30 < upgrdman> so i dont need to do this, but: if you need position+speed, you can use gps when outside. what do you do if inside? have to diy a whole fucking Loran or someshit?
2017-05-23T09:37:58 < c10ud^> you need an imu..?
2017-05-23T09:38:26 < upgrdman> well an imu can give your orientation. for without spending $$$, can an imu give you position?
2017-05-23T09:38:46 < upgrdman> e.g. most accelerometers are fucking useless if you try to double integrate
2017-05-23T09:39:02 < Ultrasauce> localization is quite hard
2017-05-23T09:39:32 < Ultrasauce> vision-based SLAM is one possibility
2017-05-23T09:40:37 < Ultrasauce> the 'lighthouse' technique used by the HTC vive is pretty interesting
2017-05-23T09:40:45 < c10ud^> well, it's gonna be hard but they advertise that http://www.st.com/en/mems-and-sensors/lsm9ds0.html (warning: I never worked with that)
2017-05-23T09:40:49 < upgrdman> oh is that what indoor quad tech demos use? like ir leds on the walls + cameras + computer vision algos?
2017-05-23T09:41:48 < Ultrasauce> more or less yes
2017-05-23T09:42:07 < upgrdman> c10ud^, i dont think that'll give position
2017-05-23T09:42:18 < upgrdman> i think they are misusing "position" and actually mean orientation
2017-05-23T09:42:36 < c10ud^> well the software should at least
2017-05-23T09:43:09 < upgrdman> c10ud^, but how. even a small inaccuracy in the accelerometer with make double integrating useless
2017-05-23T09:43:30 < c10ud^> that really depends on the accuracy you need I guess
2017-05-23T09:43:51 < Ultrasauce> not drifting off to infinity is a pretty typical requirement
2017-05-23T09:55:24 < zyp> yeah, you can't get position with any sort of accuracy from just an IMU
2017-05-23T09:55:56 < upgrdman> ya that lighthouse tech looks like it might be an easy-ish way to do this
2017-05-23T09:56:11 < Ultrasauce> what's the application?
2017-05-23T09:56:17 < upgrdman> i was just trying to think of a way to get nice rc car telemetry when at a race track
2017-05-23T09:56:26 < upgrdman> probably not going to make anything, just thinking
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2017-05-23T09:56:32 < upgrdman> i dont even have any rc cars right now
2017-05-23T09:56:51 < zyp> an rc car is easier
2017-05-23T09:57:00 < Ultrasauce> if the wheels don't slip odometry is pretty straightforward
2017-05-23T09:57:10 < zyp> it's mostly confined to two dimensions, and you could have encoders on the wheels
2017-05-23T09:57:11 < upgrdman> ya... wheel slip is like 99% of rc car movement
2017-05-23T09:57:35 < Ultrasauce> it'd be a good thing to demonstrate on your inverted pendulum car though i guess
2017-05-23T09:57:50 < zyp> maybe you could even put an optic flow sensor under it
2017-05-23T09:57:53 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, ya. saw lots of odometery segway things. was kinda neat.
2017-05-23T09:57:55 < zyp> think optical mouse
2017-05-23T09:58:10 < upgrdman> zyp, hmm. not a bad idea. but that wouldnt work for off road tracks.
2017-05-23T09:58:46 < Ultrasauce> well outdoors you get gps
2017-05-23T09:58:56 < upgrdman> lots of indoor offroad tracks
2017-05-23T09:59:05 < Ultrasauce> huh, didn't know that was a thing
2017-05-23T09:59:27 < upgrdman> e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x80dd25f3029ccfcd:0x1a727132a48a0f5e!2m19!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m13!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!3m1!7e115!4shttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname%3D102999411987446481355%26id%3D6375360476441458610%26target%3DPHOTO!5socrc+-+Google+Search&imagekey=!1e3!2s-lYT7TG04wMw/WHnUk0Fbt7I/AAAAAAAADtY/jIa_tI5A23MLAxOQ3EjRjYNjPeBPokNtwCLIB&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirua-xuIXUAhVM2oMKHX
2017-05-23T09:59:27 < upgrdman> _lAEEQoioIgAEwCg
2017-05-23T09:59:30 < upgrdman> shit fail url
2017-05-23T09:59:40 < upgrdman> well the url works anyway :)
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2017-05-23T10:00:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DmQURy1.gifv
2017-05-23T10:01:10 < zyp> haha
2017-05-23T10:01:18 < dongs> upgrdman: you gotta wonder how much of that garbage was tracking informing google of your cp links if a cutoff googlespam url still works
2017-05-23T10:01:55 < fest> upgrdman: there's https://www.pozyx.io/Documentation who claim to have decent accuracy indoors
2017-05-23T10:01:57 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-23T10:02:35 < dongs> what the hell is pozys
2017-05-23T10:02:39 < upgrdman> fest, hmm
2017-05-23T10:02:41 < dongs> sounds like some jewtooth beacon shit?
2017-05-23T10:02:42 < fest> I'm not so sure about their horizontal accuracy, but in XY plane that approach sounds reasonable
2017-05-23T10:02:45 < upgrdman> is that just an RF becon?
2017-05-23T10:03:03 < upgrdman> i guess RSSI + ass loads of beacons might be doable
2017-05-23T10:03:16 < dongs> oh its UWB
2017-05-23T10:03:19 < dongs> over 6000ghz
2017-05-23T10:03:21 < Ultrasauce> oh yeah i was looking at decawave's uwb modules recently
2017-05-23T10:03:30 < fest> I think they are using timing not signal strength
2017-05-23T10:03:30 < upgrdman> dafuq's uwb
2017-05-23T10:03:38 < upgrdman> universal windows buttfuckery?
2017-05-23T10:03:42 < zyp> ultra-wide booty
2017-05-23T10:11:09 < crt> underage white bitties
2017-05-23T10:11:59 < dongs> The value of Cs should typically be within the range of 1nF to 47nF (not pF or uF).
2017-05-23T10:12:03 < dongs> thanks, atmel
2017-05-23T10:12:08 < dongs> i know what 1nF is thankfully
2017-05-23T10:13:22 < crt> the arduino generation doesn't
2017-05-23T10:13:31 < Ultrasauce> oh a nautical farad. thought they stopped using those
2017-05-23T10:15:50 < upgrdman> damn, those decawave modules are $25 each, and need 5 for position
2017-05-23T10:15:59 < dongs> what did you expect
2017-05-23T10:16:10 < upgrdman> maybe i should just sprinkle assloads of CC2500 modules and try RSSI fuckery
2017-05-23T10:16:18 < Ultrasauce> yeah it's sort of nascent stuff
2017-05-23T10:16:50 < Ultrasauce> certification is still iffy i think so it'll be awhile before they hit the mass market
2017-05-23T10:16:59 < dongs> any of you nigs ever done capsense shit, do I just put a round button on pcb and conncet
2017-05-23T10:17:14 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, ah ok
2017-05-23T10:17:30 < dongs> im reading these shitty atmel docs and they';re showing pcis of like sawtoothy buttons and weird INTERDIGITATING electrodes and shit.
2017-05-23T10:17:34 < dongs> i dont even know wat teh fuck interdigitating is
2017-05-23T10:17:49 < upgrdman> interdigitating, lol
2017-05-23T10:17:50 < Ultrasauce> i think it means the interlocking E pattern
2017-05-23T10:17:57 < upgrdman> ya
2017-05-23T10:17:58 < dongs> thats what it looks like on pic, yeah
2017-05-23T10:18:09 < upgrdman> like under a rubber button a remote
2017-05-23T10:18:11 < Ultrasauce> like lacing your fingers together, hence the name
2017-05-23T10:18:54 < dongs> ic, but other place just says "typical button shapes are round/square/etc"
2017-05-23T10:19:06 < dongs> why do i need interwhatever ones
2017-05-23T10:19:20 < Ultrasauce> i think that approach would be a losing battle upgrdman
2017-05-23T10:19:33 < Ultrasauce> fade/interference is much more significant than distance
2017-05-23T10:19:36 < dongs> might as well install lunix
2017-05-23T10:20:06 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, :( true
2017-05-23T10:21:27 < upgrdman> wtf. china clone is MORE EXPENSIVE than the real thing  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ScenSor-DWM1000-Module-is-an-IEEE802-15-4-2011-UWB-compliant-wireless-transceiver-module-based-on/32762230645.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.g4wYTf&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10130_10068_5010014_10136_10157_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100030_100031_10099_100029_10103_100028_10102_100
2017-05-23T10:21:27 < upgrdman> 96_10147_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_5190014_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10183_10182_10185_10078_10079_10073_10123_142,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=a2e9e184-2489-4444-ac18-723e68bd0aa7&algo_expid=596e6431-3737-4d51-8d9c-7d9db929b6b9-0&algo_pvid=596e6431-3737-4d51-8d9c-7d9db929b6b9
2017-05-23T10:21:32 < upgrdman> oh ffs
2017-05-23T10:21:39 < dongs> you cunt
2017-05-23T10:21:43 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-23T10:21:44 < nikomo> nice link m8
2017-05-23T10:21:54 < zyp> what's up with all the shitty links today?
2017-05-23T10:21:59 < upgrdman> im sorry zyp
2017-05-23T10:22:03 < upgrdman> i didnt check
2017-05-23T10:22:03 < fest> no quality material?
2017-05-23T10:22:04 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/upgrdman-is-a-fucking-faggot/32762230645.html
2017-05-23T10:22:05 < dongs> here ftfy
2017-05-23T10:22:10 < upgrdman> thx bro
2017-05-23T10:22:27 < Ultrasauce> i bet 'based on' is a lie and it's just a reseller
2017-05-23T10:22:41 < dongs> thats still 40bux a piece
2017-05-23T10:22:47 < dongs> sux to have a market with one vendor
2017-05-23T10:24:58 < c10ud^> lol
2017-05-23T10:27:40 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/6aclmM6
2017-05-23T10:27:59 < crt> Cool
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2017-05-23T10:31:45 < dongs> javashit is retarded
2017-05-23T10:35:46 < jadew`> it is
2017-05-23T10:36:15 < jadew`> I'm writing a bunch of js lately and I can't believe where the whole thing it's going
2017-05-23T10:36:40 < jadew`> the whole community supports shitty coding styles and anti-patterns
2017-05-23T10:37:25 < zyp> which ones in particular are you thinking about?
2017-05-23T10:37:32 < dongs> any?
2017-05-23T10:37:39 < jadew`> I'm talking about javascript
2017-05-23T10:38:19 < zyp> from my perspective, the problem with javascript is the need to keep compatibility with an obsolete as fuck execution environment
2017-05-23T10:38:57 < jadew`> that is a problem, but it depends on what you write your code for
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2017-05-23T10:39:09 < jadew`> if you write for the browser, you have no choice but to keep compatibility
2017-05-23T10:39:26 < jadew`> but if you write for node, then you can target a single environment
2017-05-23T10:39:41 < Ultrasauce> until they break the api with an update :V
2017-05-23T10:39:44 < dongs> simple fucking solution
2017-05-23T10:39:47 < dongs> dont write at all
2017-05-23T10:39:53 < zyp> well
2017-05-23T10:40:07 < jadew`> dongs, not possible
2017-05-23T10:40:12 < dongs> pretend it doesnt exist
2017-05-23T10:40:14 < dongs> surely possible
2017-05-23T10:40:19 < dongs> get a new job if your job requires you to write javashit
2017-05-23T10:40:39 < zyp> people using node are deliberately choosing javascript for a task where alternatives exist, why would you expect them to produce sane code?
2017-05-23T10:41:06 < dongs> yes exactly
2017-05-23T10:41:09 < jadew`> heh
2017-05-23T10:41:13 < Ultrasauce> the biggest alternative is still php
2017-05-23T10:41:29 < upgrdman> heh https://i.redd.it/h5epx65v4qyy.jpg
2017-05-23T10:41:29 < jadew`> Ultrasauce, you're confusing things :)
2017-05-23T10:41:31 < Ultrasauce> there's a lesser of two evils here and it's....one of them
2017-05-23T10:41:35 < Ultrasauce> i am not sure which
2017-05-23T10:41:38 < upgrdman> an anti-AMP article, served by AMP
2017-05-23T10:41:42 < zyp> fair point
2017-05-23T10:41:44 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah, saw that the other day
2017-05-23T10:41:51 < jadew`> Ultrasauce, actually, perhaps for server-side stuff, yeah
2017-05-23T10:41:52 < dongs> oh, lo l@ screenshot
2017-05-23T10:41:53 < dongs> amped page
2017-05-23T10:41:56 < dongs> fucking aidsssssssss
2017-05-23T10:42:00 < jadew`> but I was thinking more in the line of desktop apps
2017-05-23T10:42:11 < dongs> only a fucking retard would choose javascript for a desktop app
2017-05-23T10:42:22 < zyp> if I got the choice of node vs php, I think I'd be inclined to go with node
2017-05-23T10:42:24 < dongs> "lets use something totally not suitable for desktop, and write apps with it!"
2017-05-23T10:42:26 < Ultrasauce> oh jesus yeah this new generation of node-and-chromium apps is fucking garbage
2017-05-23T10:42:39 < jadew`> I agree
2017-05-23T10:42:51 < jadew`> but not because the underlying idea sucks
2017-05-23T10:42:55 < dongs> bonus: you get to ship 50meg chrome.exe runtime with each one of htem
2017-05-23T10:42:56 < Ultrasauce> i am not looking forward to the day when someone forces me to use slack
2017-05-23T10:42:57 < jadew`> it's because the devs suck
2017-05-23T10:43:05 < jadew`> MS did a great job so far with VS Code
2017-05-23T10:43:11 < dongs> fuck off with your vscode spam
2017-05-23T10:43:13 < dongs> it sucks.
2017-05-23T10:43:14 < jadew`> that thing is going to be awesome
2017-05-23T10:43:18 < jadew`> it sucks now
2017-05-23T10:43:20 < dongs> no
2017-05-23T10:43:22 < dongs> it sucks forever
2017-05-23T10:43:30 < jadew`> but the editor is great (fast and hackable)
2017-05-23T10:43:31 < dongs> it provides no advantage over vstudio
2017-05-23T10:43:36 < dongs> i dont need to hack my editor
2017-05-23T10:43:39 < dongs> i just need to write code
2017-05-23T10:43:41 < jadew`> the advantage is that it's easily hackable
2017-05-23T10:43:56 < dongs> how many times do you write code and have a sudden itch to hack your editor
2017-05-23T10:43:59 < jadew`> that's true, but it can be extended faster than VS
2017-05-23T10:44:03 < dongs> unless ytoure using emacs< I'd say chances of that are zero
2017-05-23T10:44:17 < Fleck> MS awesome? What mushrooms did you eat man?
2017-05-23T10:44:28 < jadew`> MS was always awesome
2017-05-23T10:44:47 < Ultrasauce> here we go
2017-05-23T10:44:47 < Fleck> was never
2017-05-23T10:44:47 < zyp> dongs, yeah, I don't get that as well
2017-05-23T10:45:12 < dongs> like i use keil, vstudio. i don't have any urges to 'hack' them. they're just for entering code.
2017-05-23T10:45:25 < jadew`> dongs, I agree with you, but having used atom lately, I saw people are doing a lot of customization and adding a lot of functionality you wouldn't otherwise find in a regular IDE
2017-05-23T10:45:38 < dongs> you're talking in some bullshit buzzwords
2017-05-23T10:45:44 < dongs> give me a specific eaxmple that benefits me
2017-05-23T10:45:47 < dongs> that would require me using "atom"
2017-05-23T10:45:50 < jadew`> I mean, once you have that posibility, you might start thinking about things you'd like to change
2017-05-23T10:45:52 < zyp> I use vim, pretty much as plain as possible, so I don't have to dick around with it on every computer I want to write code on
2017-05-23T10:46:03 < jadew`> if you know you don't have it, you don't think about that sort of stuff and just use it as it is
2017-05-23T10:46:33 < jadew`> dongs, for example I recently made an extension that allowed me to use smart tabs
2017-05-23T10:46:34 < dongs> yeah, given a choice of 2 shitty text editors, i'd pick gvim over some javashit based junk
2017-05-23T10:46:43 < dongs> great, i don't use tabs
2017-05-23T10:46:45 < jadew`> as in, tab for indenting space for alignment
2017-05-23T10:46:46 < zyp> i.e. I don't want to depend on custom shit
2017-05-23T10:47:10 < upgrdman> grammar pros: "time domain" "frequency domain" and then "space domain" ? or is it "spatial domain" or something else
2017-05-23T10:47:15 < dongs> jadew`: wat. what garbage IDE do you use where you cant just checkbox 'tabs as spaces' and set tab size/indent size
2017-05-23T10:47:20 < Ultrasauce> spatial yes
2017-05-23T10:47:25 < upgrdman> thxc
2017-05-23T10:47:28 < jadew`> dongs, I don't want tabs as spaces
2017-05-23T10:47:33 < jadew`> I want tabs AND spaces
2017-05-23T10:47:33 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-05-23T10:47:43 < dongs> better hpoe your tabs are 8 chars
2017-05-23T10:47:48 < jadew`> so when I'm indenting, it uses tabs
2017-05-23T10:47:53 < jadew`> when I'm aligning, it uses spaces
2017-05-23T10:47:56 < dongs> btw, this is standard in vstudio
2017-05-23T10:48:13 < dongs> if you select some insane tab width/tab size and NOT select 'tabs as spaces' it will combine as needed
2017-05-23T10:48:25 < upgrdman> stm's new sensor gui:  http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/group0/b9/d0/7c/c5/a8/55/4c/bc/DM00337036/files/DM00337036.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00337036.pdf
2017-05-23T10:48:38 < dongs> upgrdman: is that Unicleo trash
2017-05-23T10:48:42 < dongs> i just got spam about it few mins ago
2017-05-23T10:48:42 < upgrdman> ya
2017-05-23T10:48:45 < dongs> didnt read
2017-05-23T10:48:48 < upgrdman> me too :) hense link
2017-05-23T10:48:48 < jadew`> dongs, yeah, by recognizing the surrounding indentation type, but it's not the same thing
2017-05-23T10:48:54 < dongs> wow, tehy fucking OWNED your graphing library lol
2017-05-23T10:49:16 < dongs> that magnetometer statter plot
2017-05-23T10:49:18 < dongs> <3
2017-05-23T10:49:24 < Ultrasauce> they ripped off your thing upgrdman
2017-05-23T10:49:46 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-05-23T10:49:57 < upgrdman> i need to add a spatial domain chart tho
2017-05-23T10:50:18 < dongs> arguing with jadew` is kinda boring. like, below lunix fanatic level boring
2017-05-23T10:51:09 < Ultrasauce> im not sure how useful that scatter plot is...seems like a 3d display would be a lot better
2017-05-23T10:52:28 < upgrdman> like a point cloud? that's what i was thinking of
2017-05-23T10:52:41 < zyp> haha, spammail about that gui thing just arrived here
2017-05-23T10:53:13 < Ultrasauce> probably selectable between that and lines connecting the samples over time
2017-05-23T10:53:34 < Ultrasauce> rotatable perspective view or orthogonal projection
2017-05-23T10:53:59 < upgrdman> also, wtf, stm is abbreviation gauss as g. shouldnt it be gs
2017-05-23T10:54:36 < upgrdman> "+1100mG" from a magnetometer. TIL magnetometers sense acceleration
2017-05-23T10:54:43 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/unBCL.png <- here's some magnetometer plot I did when I dicked around with that shit six years ago
2017-05-23T10:55:06 < dongs> dumb.py spotted
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2017-05-23T10:55:27 < sync> upgrdman: alternative physics
2017-05-23T10:55:37 < upgrdman> indeed
2017-05-23T10:56:15 < Ultrasauce> well of course it's going to be ambiguous if you put fake units like G as acceleration on the table
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2017-05-23T11:42:54 < dongs> so Laurenceb did manchester right
2017-05-23T11:43:56 < crt> yes
2017-05-23T11:43:58 < crt> he did
2017-05-23T11:44:23 < crt> he did crt too
2017-05-23T11:45:11 < jadew`> I just found out about the manchester thing
2017-05-23T11:46:51 < crt> sounds like something the perpetrator would say.
2017-05-23T11:46:58  * crt looks at jadew` 
2017-05-23T11:47:06 < jadew`> haha
2017-05-23T11:47:15 < crt> ~~~
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2017-05-23T11:50:55 < Thorn> this looks like something kakimir would design in his spare time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGoqdknQaDc
2017-05-23T11:53:34 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9melnU4_c
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2017-05-23T11:54:31 < crt> hi Thorn how are they
2017-05-23T12:00:49 < dongs> Thorn: what does that machine do
2017-05-23T12:00:52 < dongs> defeather them or something?
2017-05-23T12:00:58 < dongs> or just picks them up
2017-05-23T12:01:11 < dongs> no looks just routes them into conveyor
2017-05-23T12:01:14 < dongs> by dong-shaped rubber things
2017-05-23T12:02:01 < jadew`> http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/planning-a-holiday-in-europe-this-summer-be-like-playing-minesweeper-game.jpg
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2017-05-23T12:08:52 < dongs> ok wtf now
2017-05-23T12:09:00 < dongs> altidumb is failing to annotate hierarchical sheets
2017-05-23T12:10:11 < dongs> and why the fuck offsheet connector doesnt fucking work
2017-05-23T12:10:11 < dongs> damn
2017-05-23T12:23:43 < Steffanx> 🕑 cant see it, but it seems to be rage o'clock.
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2017-05-23T12:24:02 < crt> YEAH I'M IN
2017-05-23T12:24:04 < crt> COUNT ME IN
2017-05-23T12:24:08 < crt> THE FUCKING DOGS!
2017-05-23T12:26:20 < crt> I spent my day trying to teach infants how to breathe
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2017-05-23T12:26:56 < jadew`> http://imgur.com/a/PH9Cq
2017-05-23T12:27:42 < crt> GTK
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2017-05-23T12:30:09 < aduering> hello
2017-05-23T12:30:45 < Steffanx> Lo
2017-05-23T12:30:52 < crt> yes
2017-05-23T12:31:39 < Steffanx> Does not exist jadew` ?
2017-05-23T12:31:45 < jadew`> werid...
2017-05-23T12:32:16 < jadew`> works for me
2017-05-23T12:33:12 < crt> pretty weird, cut.
2017-05-23T12:33:12 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/SVXfU9I.png
2017-05-23T12:33:15 < jadew`> does this work?
2017-05-23T12:33:25 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/pCHDGV5.png
2017-05-23T12:33:33 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/J4TOG1R.png
2017-05-23T12:33:34 < dongs> wasnt funny the first time you pasted it
2017-05-23T12:33:45 < jadew`> so it worked for you?
2017-05-23T12:33:47 < crt> idk what it is
2017-05-23T12:33:49 < dongs> of course
2017-05-23T12:33:54 < jadew`> oh
2017-05-23T12:33:59 < jadew`> it's a little funny
2017-05-23T12:34:00 < crt> pretty weird, cut.
2017-05-23T12:34:11 < jadew`> apparently they have street dentists in india
2017-05-23T12:34:24 < jadew`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UasDIv__dnA
2017-05-23T12:35:03 < jadew`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoBYttpiqg8
2017-05-23T12:35:38 < aduering> I think I found a "solution" to my "DMA misses reading one word" problem.
2017-05-23T12:35:55 < aduering> Because of some error in the code, the WideBus operation was never enabled. So the STM32F1 always used the 1 bit data bus. After I fixed this, the problem didn't occur anymore.
2017-05-23T12:35:59 < Steffanx> Im banned. I cannot show the page/img
2017-05-23T12:36:07 < dongs> aduering: cool
2017-05-23T12:37:12 < dongs> how should I pwm like 10 leds on GPIOs
2017-05-23T12:37:20 < dongs> do I just make a DMA buffer and fuck off
2017-05-23T12:37:31 < dongs> i want the lazy way out
2017-05-23T12:37:32 < jadew`> Steffanx, it was from the second video
2017-05-23T12:39:22 < crt> how the fuck did i get to this vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzlOp3kaWSo
2017-05-23T12:39:37 < jadew`> lol
2017-05-23T12:39:43 < dongs> 2.5 million subscribers
2017-05-23T12:39:44 < dongs> what.
2017-05-23T12:39:46 < jadew`> I saw one of his videos too, last week
2017-05-23T12:40:00 < Steffanx> Not clicking..
2017-05-23T12:40:07 < dongs> ya no
2017-05-23T12:40:12 < dongs> closed
2017-05-23T12:40:15 < jadew`> same
2017-05-23T12:40:38 < dongs> any of you trolls ever dicked with led fakepwm that way?
2017-05-23T12:40:40 < crt> what kind of women would you have to sleep with to get that?
2017-05-23T12:43:06 < Thorn> dongs: I drive ws2812b that way
2017-05-23T12:43:19 < Thorn> I *think* I found a way around all the DMA bugs
2017-05-23T12:43:35 < Thorn> in F4
2017-05-23T12:43:52 < dongs> hehe
2017-05-23T12:43:53 < dongs> how many?
2017-05-23T12:43:58 < dongs> i guess 16?
2017-05-23T12:44:32 < Thorn> as many as you can fit on a single port
2017-05-23T12:44:34 < zyp> dongs, heard you like fidget spinners http://i.imgur.com/CdQgKdg.jpg
2017-05-23T12:44:42 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/vjroba/status/866215442624331777
2017-05-23T12:44:50 < dongs> lewl
2017-05-23T12:46:20 < dongs> when did this shit become "popular"
2017-05-23T12:49:24 < dongs> On December 23, 2016, James Plafke of Forbes published an article describing fidget spinners as the "must-have office toy for 2017."[4] In late March, users on social media websites such as YouTube and Reddit began uploading videos reviewing and performing tricks with fidget spinners.[6] The Boston Globe reported that fidget toys in general "entered the mainstream" with the related Fidget Cube toy also rising in popularity.[1] Several sellers on Etsy were reported to
2017-05-23T12:49:32 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-05-23T12:49:35 < dongs> FUCK JAMES PLAFKE; JAMES PLAFKE SUX; JAMES PLAFKE IS DYING; JAMES PLAFKE IS DEAD TO ME; JAMES PLAFKE HIT WTC
2017-05-23T12:50:01 < Steffanx> Who fuck gives a shit.
2017-05-23T12:50:01 < dongs> yeah chinagirl started spamming me with that spinny shit around amrch
2017-05-23T12:50:28 < dongs> When fidget spinners rose in popularity in 2017, many publications discussed their claimed benefits for individuals with ADHD, autism, or anxiety.
2017-05-23T12:50:41 < dongs> the internet finally found its cure
2017-05-23T12:51:01 < Steffanx> I read it was actually patented, but the woman didnt have the munny to renew.
2017-05-23T12:52:26 < emeryth> design patent or actual patent?
2017-05-23T12:52:49 < dongs> Hettinger told the New York Post that the idea for the toy came as she saw young boys throwing rocks at police officers in Israel. In response to seeing that, she wanted to develop a soothing toy that could help children release pent-up energy and "promote peace."
2017-05-23T12:52:53 < dongs> lol, jews
2017-05-23T12:52:54 < Steffanx> Not sure. She made them for some kids or something
2017-05-23T12:53:05 < Steffanx> But stories...
2017-05-23T12:54:58 < karlp> fidget devices hve been around for fucking decades at least.
2017-05-23T12:55:28 < zyp> karlp, you mean pens? :)
2017-05-23T12:55:42 < Steffanx> +i
2017-05-23T12:55:55 < dongs> you could certainly fidget with one
2017-05-23T12:56:02 < karlp> my family's about 60-40 split on fidgeters non-fidgeters, and we had a smooth woodden ball on a smooth disc on the kitchen table that grandad made so that people could spin that without making any noise to piss grandma off.
2017-05-23T12:56:21 < Steffanx> :)
2017-05-23T12:56:23 < karlp> I've seen similar things that live on tables solely for the purpose of fidgeting with all my adult life.
2017-05-23T13:00:35 < karlp> man, 8 emails from infineon this morning.  I think they were proofing their copy and didn't realize it was sending out each time.
2017-05-23T13:01:21 < sync> Nice
2017-05-23T13:01:33 < sync> Anything interesting in it?
2017-05-23T13:01:36 < karlp> fuck no.
2017-05-23T13:01:42 < dongs> i never got that free shit from infinieon
2017-05-23T13:01:44 < dongs> whatever it was
2017-05-23T13:01:44 < karlp> "find out why myINfineon can do for you"
2017-05-23T13:01:53 < dongs> something power related
2017-05-23T13:02:00 < karlp> nah, I registered for a free board at embedded world, "just come by and pick it up"
2017-05-23T13:02:26 < karlp> went by to pick it up, "you need to speak to that dude"  waited a few minutes, he was just chatting, no desire to speak to me. left.
2017-05-23T13:02:55 < sync> Oh you were at EW
2017-05-23T13:03:08 < sync> Hmm. Maybe I should go at some point
2017-05-23T13:03:18 < karlp> some techonline spam I started getting aroudn then has emailed me maybe 20 times about a "wireless audio design" webinar that I've no fucking interest in.
2017-05-23T13:03:32 < karlp> EW was fun, but we won't go next year.
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2017-05-23T13:05:04 < karlp> so zyp: say I do want to try out scons, I've got ~10 common files, a per variant file, and in those common files, I want to be able to #ifdef on a flag that some of the variants all share.
2017-05-23T13:05:08 < karlp> and there's ~20 variants.
2017-05-23T13:05:23 < karlp> is scons just going to make 20 bin directories and compile all the files into each one?
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2017-05-23T13:16:23 < zyp> that's the straight forward approach, but it should be doable to only build the common files once per actual change too
2017-05-23T13:17:02 < zyp> if you'll have 20 variants of the final build and 2-3 variants of the common code
2017-05-23T13:20:33 < zyp> you'd probably have to make the common variants explicit too and then pick a specific common variant in each of the end variants
2017-05-23T13:23:31 < zyp> or you could make it implicit, I guess
2017-05-23T13:24:43 < zyp> in scons, all compiler flags and other env vars are stored in the Environment() object, and scons will complain if you requre the same dependency twice with different environments
2017-05-23T13:26:03 < zyp> I guess you could auto-name variants of the common code with a hash of the environment or something, so that when you're building with the same settings, you fold duplicates, and if the environment is different, you get a new variant automatically
2017-05-23T13:35:29 < karlp> what's your latest hottest project to peek at?
2017-05-23T13:35:43 < karlp> cardio?
2017-05-23T13:35:54 < zyp> maybe
2017-05-23T13:36:17 < zyp> I got kinda curious about this scons variant stuff btw, so I'm hacking up a testcase now
2017-05-23T13:37:59 < karlp> mcu == maths coprocessor unit in our stuff?
2017-05-23T13:38:20 < karlp> I need a separate linker script for my two big splits too. need to dick around further with these environments maybe.
2017-05-23T13:38:40 < karlp> I'm looking at my makefiles and thinking it's possibly worth it if the scons files are simpler.
2017-05-23T13:38:47 < zyp> I had a brainfart once and wrote mcu instead of fpu and I guess I never really bothered getting rid of that again
2017-05-23T13:39:15 < karlp> but I only just rejigged all the makefiles and source to build files only once instead of rbeuilding everything for every variant, so I don't want to lose that
2017-05-23T13:39:18 < karlp> that was a major build speedup
2017-05-23T14:10:58 < zyp> hmm, I have something working, but it complains that "warning: Two different environments were specified for target op.o, but they appear to have the same action"
2017-05-23T14:11:48 < zyp> which makes sense, because I'm forking the environment in the end variant, so it creates multiple ones the same way
2017-05-23T14:17:38 < crt> dfgn
2017-05-23T14:20:40 < dongs> < karlp> that was a major build speedup
2017-05-23T14:20:47 < dongs> loading your project in visual studio and enabling precompiled headers?
2017-05-23T14:20:53 < dongs> i heard gcc still haven't mastered this
2017-05-23T14:21:05 < dongs> i think visualC had this since like 1996 or so
2017-05-23T14:26:33 < dongs> lol fucking altidumb rotates in opposite direction when PCB is flipped
2017-05-23T14:26:35 < dongs> come on
2017-05-23T14:26:48 < dongs> (the tap space to rotate shit)_
2017-05-23T14:27:40 < zyp> karlp, https://paste.jvnv.net/view/kZGsm
2017-05-23T14:28:21 < dongs> i'll stick to visual studio projects, thanks
2017-05-23T14:28:23 < zyp> that stuff builds op.c twice and main.c four times
2017-05-23T14:28:29 < dongs> that looks unreadable
2017-05-23T14:32:45 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/B5MTN
2017-05-23T14:36:48 < karlp> right, thanks for that, I've started hacking this up, but I'm not sure I would have gotten there nearly as fast.
2017-05-23T14:37:26 < karlp> dongs: no, the speedup was not using #defines and remakign teh entire project each time with a different -D flag for each variant.
2017-05-23T14:37:52 < zyp> best way to think of it is that the base environment is forked once per common variant, and then those environments are forked again for each end variant using that common variant
2017-05-23T14:38:42 < dongs> does it literally use fork()
2017-05-23T14:38:48 < dongs> launching hundresd of make processes
2017-05-23T14:39:08 < zyp> no, forked as in cloned to independent environments
2017-05-23T14:45:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/IcQftP6.png uh.. wat the shit is going on there
2017-05-23T14:45:18 < dongs> why is the large outer copper plane also connected
2017-05-23T14:46:13 < zyp> what's that?
2017-05-23T14:46:25 < dongs> donno a pic from atmel appnote
2017-05-23T14:46:27 < dongs> for qtouch shit
2017-05-23T14:46:36 < dongs> the buttons are capsense
2017-05-23T14:46:38 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-05-23T14:47:21 < zyp> I guess it's a seventh zone or something
2017-05-23T14:47:24 < zyp> reference maybe?
2017-05-23T14:49:03 < crt> i want a heroin sleeping tablet
2017-05-23T14:53:08 < karlp> zyp: what'st he "Import('*')" line in common/Sconstruct for?
2017-05-23T14:58:06 < crt> the confessor caresser
2017-05-23T14:59:16 < crt> Meet CRT
2017-05-23T14:59:17 < crt> https://youtu.be/V8B16DGq60Q?t=1m29s
2017-05-23T15:05:57 < dongs> notfunnylaurenceb.jpg
2017-05-23T15:07:19 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/FbdZ46VdTjE?t=24m31s are there bursts of interference caused by solderless breadboard?
2017-05-23T15:07:46 < Thorn> I seem to recall something similar in the same situation
2017-05-23T15:08:27 < crt> hi
2017-05-23T15:08:48 < zyp> karlp, just makes all the stuff from the exports-argument to SConscript() available as local variables
2017-05-23T15:09:02 < crt> whos chinnel is that
2017-05-23T15:09:26 < crt> channel
2017-05-23T15:09:29 < dongs> some newb with monetizing enabled
2017-05-23T15:09:36 < zyp> karlp, you can specify only specific arguments if the invocation is passing a lot of shit and you want to avoid polluting the namespace
2017-05-23T15:10:34 < jadew`> Thorn, could be external noise that gets picked up
2017-05-23T15:10:53 < jadew`> I bet he could trigger on it if we wanted to
2017-05-23T15:11:06 < dongs> maybe its nearby hamradio trash
2017-05-23T15:11:08 < dongs> or some beacon
2017-05-23T15:11:17 < dongs> it looks too bursty to be noise from pcb
2017-05-23T15:11:58 < jadew`> if *he
2017-05-23T15:12:25 < jadew`> can be from the PSU too
2017-05-23T15:12:29 < jadew`> if he has a shitty PSU
2017-05-23T15:12:55 < dongs> but its irregular
2017-05-23T15:13:12 < jadew`> it's only irregular because he's triggering on the waveform
2017-05-23T15:13:17 < dongs> .. no
2017-05-23T15:13:48 < Ultrasauce> could be cellphone or wifi
2017-05-23T15:13:57 < jadew`> it looks repetitive, but that's only a hunch, if he triggered on it, we could tell
2017-05-23T15:13:58 < dongs> its gotta be cell/wifi or dect/whatever phone
2017-05-23T15:14:14 < Ultrasauce> i can hear wifi traffic in my monitor speakers if the router is too close
2017-05-23T15:14:29 < Ultrasauce> or just a loose connection, breadboards are fucking garbage
2017-05-23T15:14:42 < jadew`> also, the noise he picks up could be very different from what's on the scope, given he has some sort of amplifier there
2017-05-23T15:14:55 < jadew`> it could be just a pulse that makes the whole thing oscillate for a bit
2017-05-23T15:17:12 < crt> the drug equation
2017-05-23T15:19:45 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/tGb5jjO.jpg
2017-05-23T15:20:34 < Thorn> looks like the envelope tracks the green waveform
2017-05-23T15:21:03 < jadew`> it's yellow and there's no way to tell what it is without dicking with it
2017-05-23T15:21:27 < jadew`> could be a design flaw too
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2017-05-23T15:29:52 < crt> meh
2017-05-23T15:30:26 < jadew`> crt, have you seen that movie?
2017-05-23T15:30:38 < crt> movie?
2017-05-23T15:30:43 < crt> wht movie?
2017-05-23T15:30:47 < jadew`> bad boy bubby
2017-05-23T15:30:49 < crt> yes
2017-05-23T15:30:52 < crt> its fucking hilarious
2017-05-23T15:30:57 < crt> made in AU
2017-05-23T15:31:03 < crt> BE STILL YOU LITTLE CUNT!
2017-05-23T15:31:54 < jadew`> I'll check it out
2017-05-23T15:32:16 < crt> yes check it out
2017-05-23T15:32:41 < Steffanx> Do i want to know?
2017-05-23T15:32:45 < crt> just be forewarned the first 15 minutes might be a bit 'completely messed up on so many levels' but the rest of the movie is hilarious
2017-05-23T15:33:34 < Steffanx> Did you watch Get Out crt?
2017-05-23T15:33:41 < Steffanx> Must watch for you.
2017-05-23T15:34:33 < crt> idk what it is
2017-05-23T15:34:41 < Steffanx> Movie
2017-05-23T15:35:20 < crt> yea muscles
2017-05-23T15:35:52 < kilobyte_ch> I'm currently trying to reprogram the Flash on the STM32 on the STM32L1discovery board with the LCD screen. But I'm failing. With the stlink utility I can reprogram the flash from windows, so the HW seems ok. I'm getting the following error: https://pastebin.com/yMUjR1QP
2017-05-23T15:40:01 < crt> Steffanx: that's pretty whack
2017-05-23T15:41:44 < jpa-> has anyone tried bootloading to multiple STM32's in parallel (using the rom bootloader)?
2017-05-23T15:42:08 < karlp> kilobyte_ch: replace "halt" with "reset halt"
2017-05-23T15:42:13 < zyp> jpa-, dongs are doing that regularly AFAIK
2017-05-23T15:43:04 < jpa-> zyp: nice; didn't find anything that would stop it from working
2017-05-23T15:43:28 < kilobyte_ch> karlp works, thanks!
2017-05-23T15:43:31 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWod6zINWi8
2017-05-23T15:44:04 < karlp> then replace the other cruft with just -c "program blah.elf verify"
2017-05-23T15:44:15 < karlp> (you're using a newenough oocd, use the newer program command it's much easier)
2017-05-23T15:44:43 < karlp> http://openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Programming.html#Flash-Programming
2017-05-23T15:45:10 < kilobyte_ch> ok, i'm quite new to all that stuff. Still pretty excited that cubemx now supports to generate Makefiles
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2017-05-23T15:46:06 < jpa-> zyp: do you know whether he has figured out some hack for doing readback / verify or just does that separately in firmware?
2017-05-23T15:47:37 < zyp> I don't think he does any verification
2017-05-23T15:48:10 < zyp> since only one of the mcus are hooked up to the rx line
2017-05-23T15:48:48 < dongs> jpa-: works great, tested up to 10 chips
2017-05-23T15:49:05 < dongs> yeah fuck readback
2017-05-23T15:49:07 < dongs> its not 1986
2017-05-23T15:49:14 < jpa-> :P
2017-05-23T15:51:22 < zyp> yeah, it's not like I do that when I'm flashing a single part over SWD or usb bootloader either
2017-05-23T15:51:56 < zyp> I just run functional tests after and assume that if all functional tests complete, the firmware is flashed correctly
2017-05-23T15:53:48 < jpa-> yeah, looks like i could just blindly flash (with long enough delays) all devices on RS485 bus and then see whether they all wake up
2017-05-23T15:55:59 < kilobyte_ch> I'm facing the issue that if I have a command like this in my while(1) HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOB, LD4_Pin, GPIO_PIN_SET); the LED is flickering. Is that "normal" for the cubemx or is there a fix for that?
2017-05-23T15:58:03 < crt> Since 2012, autism diagnosis rates in Australia have risen 42%. Why?
2017-05-23T15:58:03 < crt> Coming up on Insight: bit.ly/2quhskz
2017-05-23T15:58:03 < crt> 8.30pm on SBS, or watch online: http://bit.ly/1QSjWPg
2017-05-23T16:00:30 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/KnJQgoY.gifv  <-- uninstalling python
2017-05-23T16:01:26 < crt> yep
2017-05-23T16:04:01 < jpa-> zyp: just a silly thought, do you think that USB-OTGFS could be hacked to act as a fast multi-drop differential bus? by sending raw packets with custom drivers
2017-05-23T16:06:33 < dongs> < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/KnJQgoY.gifv  <-- uninstalling python < thats peterm
2017-05-23T16:08:20 < Steffanx> Doesnt sound normal to me, but.. you never know with cube
2017-05-23T16:08:29 < Steffanx>  @ kilobyte_ch
2017-05-23T16:08:52 < dongs> kilobyte_ch: something else is turning it off elsewhere
2017-05-23T16:13:18 < zyp> jpa-, multi-master or master-slave?
2017-05-23T16:14:18 < zyp> also, unidirectional or bidirectional?
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2017-05-23T16:16:45 < Laurenceb_> islamic nut and bolt delivery service, now visiting UK
2017-05-23T16:16:56 < dongs> you're a bit late with the news
2017-05-23T16:17:00 < dongs> were you at the concert
2017-05-23T16:17:04 < dongs> fapping to aryan grande
2017-05-23T16:17:56 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ is confused
2017-05-23T16:18:11 < jpa-> zyp: bidirectional, haven't reached as far to think whether it would be considered multi-master or not
2017-05-23T16:18:17 < Laurenceb_> MGTOW kind of like the fact that grrrls got pwnd
2017-05-23T16:18:29 < jpa-> i guess the bus termination might screw it up
2017-05-23T16:18:38 < Laurenceb_> MGTOW suicide attack confirmed
2017-05-23T16:19:08 < Laurenceb_> it was the british Elliot Rodgers
2017-05-23T16:19:23 < dongs> < Laurenceb_> MGTOW suicide attack confirmed < is this the new codename for mt.gox buttcoin exchange
2017-05-23T16:19:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/
2017-05-23T16:20:17 < dongs> doesnt look funny ill pass
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2017-05-23T16:23:41 < kilobyte_ch> Steffanx dongs But theres nothing else than turning on the led in the while(1) haha
2017-05-23T16:24:02 < kilobyte_ch> And there are no IRQ routines.. funny behaviour
2017-05-23T16:24:28 < Steffanx> No systick or whatever doing something?
2017-05-23T16:26:04 < kilobyte_ch> In the systick is just HAL_IncTick(); and HAL_SYSTICK_IRQHandler(); (generated from cube)
2017-05-23T16:29:36 < dongs> cube sysdick doesnt even handle 64bit ticks?
2017-05-23T16:29:50 < dongs> oh maybe its in hal_inctick
2017-05-23T16:31:13 < kilobyte_ch> But it seems to really reset the led "itself"
2017-05-23T16:31:35 < kilobyte_ch> When I have a if with just a true scenario to turn the led on it goes off alone when the if isn't true
2017-05-23T16:31:42 < kilobyte_ch> crazy stuff this cube thing...
2017-05-23T16:34:08 < zyp> jpa-, so no inherent master? any device would have to be able to talk to any device?
2017-05-23T16:34:55 < dongs> lol USB multidrop
2017-05-23T16:35:01 < zyp> if so, I doubt you could get it to work
2017-05-23T16:35:04 < dongs> lets do it and kickstart
2017-05-23T16:35:06 < crt> HI Laurenceb_
2017-05-23T16:35:17 < Laurenceb_> sup crt
2017-05-23T16:35:18 < zyp> keep in mind that usb is polled, somebody needs to be responsible for polling
2017-05-23T16:35:32 < crt> Laurenceb_: hanging onto sanity
2017-05-23T16:35:33 < crt> you?
2017-05-23T16:35:43 < Laurenceb_> too hot
2017-05-23T16:35:48 < Laurenceb_> its >15C
2017-05-23T16:36:01 < crt> perfect
2017-05-23T16:36:06 < Laurenceb_> by britbong standards thats practically Aus
2017-05-23T16:36:10 < crt> i can smell it on ya
2017-05-23T16:36:14 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-05-23T16:36:39 < BrainDamage> what's summer peak temp there crt?
2017-05-23T16:36:39 < crt> if you meet me.... yep
2017-05-23T16:36:47 < crt> 36 - 42
2017-05-23T16:36:57 < Laurenceb_> ouch
2017-05-23T16:38:26 < crt> heh
2017-05-23T16:38:50 < crt> i might have to bring a dick warmer
2017-05-23T16:41:23 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-05-23T16:42:08 < englishman> Steffanx: two more packages arrived from ARROW just now
2017-05-23T16:42:13 < englishman> making 4 packages so far
2017-05-23T16:42:14 < crt> sup em
2017-05-23T16:42:18 < crt> english mun
2017-05-23T16:42:20 < englishman> still marked as unshipped on website
2017-05-23T16:42:29 < crt> cunt act!
2017-05-23T16:42:30 < englishman> and almost a week after ordering
2017-05-23T16:42:45 < englishman> project is basically dead now thanks to ARROW
2017-05-23T16:42:56 < crt> shipping a package and not flagging the dispatch
2017-05-23T16:42:58 < crt> CUNT ACT
2017-05-23T16:43:08 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx5zyxbvSjs
2017-05-23T16:43:30 < dongs> god damn altidumb multiroute becomes awful after ilke 3-4 traces together
2017-05-23T16:43:35 < dongs> try 10 and it chugs like crazy ,WTF
2017-05-23T16:43:52 < crt> grad students in the altium dev team mate
2017-05-23T16:44:08 < crt> cunt act
2017-05-23T16:44:19 < dongs> maybe its online drc or somethin
2017-05-23T16:44:42 < crt> phone home steal innovations from users
2017-05-23T16:44:44 < crt> cunt act
2017-05-23T16:45:25 < crt> before you've even got the board made you'll see it on a kickstarter
2017-05-23T16:45:36 < dongs> haha
2017-05-23T16:46:14 < karlp> you weren't meant to use it, it was jsut to put in a demo video
2017-05-23T16:48:33 < crt> senpai is a beta tester didn't even know it
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2017-05-23T16:57:24 < jpa-> zyp: ah yeah.. the device side hw doesn't transmit until asked to, and the host side does not receive if it didn't ask anything
2017-05-23T16:58:45 < zyp> yeah, and all this is handled by hardware state machines
2017-05-23T16:58:56 < crt> the custom vehicle registration plate STM32 in available in australia
2017-05-23T16:59:00 < crt> but DOGACT isn't
2017-05-23T17:00:17 < Laurenceb_> KILISLM
2017-05-23T17:01:45 < Steffanx> englishman: mine is on its way after talking to lawrence from ARROW. Next week sales guys from ARROW will be at work. Should complain.
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2017-05-23T17:02:32 < englishman> there is a sales office literally across the street. but my salesman who is 1500km away said it's empty.
2017-05-23T17:02:43 < zyp> what sort of shit have you bought from arrow?
2017-05-23T17:03:24 < englishman> typical crap that was out of stock at digikey or significantly cheaper
2017-05-23T17:04:05 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: lawrence? is his last name blaxter?
2017-05-23T17:05:52 < englishman> roger moore died :(
2017-05-23T17:06:23 < Steffanx> Im not sure if it was her/his first or last name BrainDamage
2017-05-23T17:06:49 < Steffanx> hugh hefner is dead too englishman
2017-05-23T17:07:09 < englishman> really
2017-05-23T17:07:40 < Steffanx> No. But the fake news said it
2017-05-23T17:07:54 < englishman> aka R2NEWS
2017-05-23T17:07:56 < crt> hahahahaha
2017-05-23T17:12:13 < Laurenceb_>  > So, ISIS strikes Ariana's fans and leaves Biebers' fans alone.
2017-05-23T17:12:21 < dongs> ya that makes no sense
2017-05-23T17:12:27 < Laurenceb_>  > this is why we hate ISIS
2017-05-23T17:12:27 < dongs> someone should suicide bomb beiver concert
2017-05-23T17:13:03 < crt> lolol
2017-05-23T17:13:48 < Steffanx> Unfunnydongsamplaurenceb.jpg
2017-05-23T17:14:04 < Laurenceb_> literally never heard of Ariana before
2017-05-23T17:16:37 < Steffanx> [stone]laurenceb[ground]
2017-05-23T17:17:36 < Laurenceb_> only heard of Bieber due to trollin
2017-05-23T17:17:50 < englishman> isnt ariana grande a river in brazil
2017-05-23T17:22:29 < crt> Yeah it's made of piss
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2017-05-23T17:24:36 < Laurenceb_> ED has some cool Bieber shuff
2017-05-23T17:24:55 < crt> Yes?
2017-05-23T17:26:20 < Steffanx> No.
2017-05-23T17:26:31 < dongs> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Ariana_Grande_Massacre haha
2017-05-23T17:27:15 < crt> High score page was always a win
2017-05-23T17:27:57 < crt> Can't dodge the rodge
2017-05-23T17:33:28 < Laurenceb_> lul ED wasfast
2017-05-23T17:33:43  * Laurenceb_ is still angry his ED pages were deleted
2017-05-23T17:34:16 < BrainDamage> were they classified as unfunny?
2017-05-23T17:36:25 < Steffanx> Is that a question?
2017-05-23T17:37:10 < crt> Lol
2017-05-23T17:37:34 < BrainDamage> well, despite being unfunny, the deletion reason can be a different one :p
2017-05-23T17:37:46 < Steffanx> :D
2017-05-23T17:38:23 < Steffanx> How did you deal with the rejection of your paper Laurenceb_?
2017-05-23T17:38:25 < crt> Cod
2017-05-23T17:39:08 < Laurenceb_> rageeeee
2017-05-23T17:39:23 < Laurenceb_> I wrote an ED page on animal experiments
2017-05-23T17:39:23 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CoWZbioJ/IMG_1153.JPG
2017-05-23T17:39:30 < Steffanx> Awh
2017-05-23T17:39:43 < Steffanx> Agry cat aint angry
2017-05-23T17:39:48 < Steffanx> Angry
2017-05-23T17:39:49 < Laurenceb_>  "where the partiarchy and furries furiously collide"
2017-05-23T17:40:23 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jq8yA2ae/IMG_1236.JPG
2017-05-23T17:46:36 < ABLomas> quick question - if you need to measure (approximately) 220V input on adc... It's probably not safe to make diode/cap/voltage divider combo. But all that linear optocouplers with dual opamps and stuff is really complicated - what's simplest and still "usable in practice" way to measure 220-240?
2017-05-23T17:46:47 < karlp> hrm. undefined reference to `_sbrk I bet I got some linker flags int he wrong damn order.
2017-05-23T17:46:54 < karlp> (scons sucks, scons hit the wtc...)
2017-05-23T17:48:35 < Laurenceb_> lul karlp
2017-05-23T17:48:39 < Laurenceb_> try googling that
2017-05-23T17:48:56 < karlp> "that" ?
2017-05-23T17:49:04 < dongs> ABLomas: resistor divider does work
2017-05-23T17:49:11 < Laurenceb_> doh
2017-05-23T17:49:22 < Laurenceb_> there used to be an urbandictionary entry
2017-05-23T17:49:27 < karlp> ABLomas: resistor dividers is how all power meters work.
2017-05-23T17:49:36 < Laurenceb_>  "when ur code is too broken for words"
2017-05-23T17:49:42 < karlp> just depends whether you need to be actually isolated
2017-05-23T17:49:54 < Laurenceb_> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=undefined%20reference%20to%20_sbrk
2017-05-23T17:50:26 < Laurenceb_> Going to war with spears?? Undefined reference to _sbrk!
2017-05-23T17:50:37 < Thorn> ABLomas: if it's AC, a voltage transformer is probably safest
2017-05-23T17:50:54 < dongs> hmm a great cheap idea
2017-05-23T17:50:58 < englishman> dongs, any word from cablebros
2017-05-23T17:51:19 < dongs> oh ight last i heard they were bitching they never heard of any of those connectors before
2017-05-23T17:51:22 < dongs> need to re-poke again
2017-05-23T17:51:28 < dongs> is the shit tyou used standard?
2017-05-23T17:51:30 < dongs> or is it some weird trash
2017-05-23T17:51:43 < englishman> wat
2017-05-23T17:51:45 < englishman> jst-gh?
2017-05-23T17:51:47 < englishman> never heard of?
2017-05-23T17:52:22 < dongs> im just retweeting waht i heard, so i'll re-poke tomrorw
2017-05-23T17:52:51 < englishman> thx
2017-05-23T17:54:30 < dongs> thing is chinks really do NOT know JST. they know chinaclones wiht same style
2017-05-23T17:54:53 < dongs> anyway, will update status
2017-05-23T17:57:22 < crt> The clone disease
2017-05-23T17:58:50 < englishman> clonAR
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2017-05-23T18:07:51 < ABLomas> Thorn: yes, AC (220-240V), but transformer is not small... But yes, sounds simple - transformer, diode, cap, resistors.
2017-05-23T18:08:51 < linuzm0b> Hello Guys, I'm trying to configure SAI peripheral as I2S Philips to get audio stream from a WM8731 codec... Someone can share a good documentation for SAI ?
2017-05-23T18:12:02 < Laurenceb_>  MANCHESTER WAS AN PSY-OP TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM SETH RICH
2017-05-23T18:14:12 < Laurenceb_> HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH
2017-05-23T18:14:23 < Laurenceb_>  ^ /r/the_donald
2017-05-23T18:16:36 < dongs> linuzm0b: emeb_mac probly could. but last i checked, reference manual and hal/stdperiphllib samples were pretty nicely done
2017-05-23T18:20:40 < linuzm0b> @dongs I've tried following cube samples from 4 days to now, but something is wrong with framelength and slot config... the real recording time takes half the configured, for example... if I record 10 seconds, it takes about 5 seconds (the wave file has the correct size for 10 seconds at the configured bitrate)
2017-05-23T18:20:42 < emeb_mac> linuzm0b: look in the example code
2017-05-23T18:20:51 < emeb_mac> that's what I used.
2017-05-23T18:21:23 < Rob235> need caffeine!
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2017-05-23T18:30:28 < linuzm0b> emeb_mac: can you tell me the example code that you used ?
2017-05-23T18:31:30 < emeb_mac> linuzm0b: not sure which - was so long ago...
2017-05-23T18:31:51 < emeb_mac> once I got my stuff working I just kept reusing that.
2017-05-23T18:37:45 < linuzm0b> nice, no problem. can you make some concerns just about some SAI parameters like frame length, slot size and so on? https://pastebin.com/c1RNQyLq
2017-05-23T18:37:49 < linuzm0b> This will help me a lot
2017-05-23T18:43:42 < linuzm0b> for the WM8731 as Slave, there's no need to clock at 50:50 mark-space ratio to get the data, so if the bitrate is at 8KHz and MCLK is 12.288MHz it takes about 1536 BCLK for each LRC transiction (new SAI slot ?) But SAI can be configured to 256 bits at the frame length...
2017-05-23T18:49:36 < Rob235> Police determined the woman in the median, identified as 40-year-old Micha Leigh Dominguez of Tappahannock, threw three full Gatorade bottles at the other woman’s car.
2017-05-23T18:49:36 < Rob235> Dominguez was charged with three counts of throwing a missile at a moving vehicle in violation of Virginia Statute 18.2-154 (felony).
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2017-05-23T19:20:07 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/fuXeYgf
2017-05-23T19:20:16 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ on suicide watch
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2017-05-23T19:27:19 < karlp> zyp: yeah, so reordering the scons comand line links properly.  how is this meant to work?!
2017-05-23T19:29:08 < karlp> I can only figure it out by replacing the linker command template...
2017-05-23T19:29:19 < karlp> which seems to be rather intrusive
2017-05-23T19:30:07 < karlp> heh, that is the SO suggested solution
2017-05-23T19:43:08 < karlp> --specs=nosys.specs to the rescue
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2017-05-23T20:16:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.devonlive.com/mother-and-daughter-ridden-like-horses-and-told-to-lick-the-feet-of-staff-in-barnstaple-poundworld/story-30347088-detail/story.html
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2017-05-23T20:20:09 < englishman> we are truly living in the future https://onion.io/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Modular2.jpg
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2017-05-23T20:45:33 < jpa-> englishman: i wonder if the guy who first designed the 2.54mm header expected it would be the basis of all advanced technology in 2017
2017-05-23T20:47:54 < Thorn> and AVR
2017-05-23T20:50:05 < karlp> zyp: this is all busted still.  it's all super easy when it's these trivial little demos all over the scons manual, but I'm still just stuck with "Two environments with different actions were specified for the same target" all over the place.
2017-05-23T20:50:14 < karlp> and scons is _not_ providing much debug on this :|
2017-05-23T20:51:06 < jpa-> karlp: i've messed up with scons a bit also; can you summarize what you're doing?
2017-05-23T20:57:53 < karlp> jpa-: this sort of thing: https://zerobin.net/?4b629429650e7a43#49OtFQsTbDXGT6fIfdNeBienhGoBNmz+28HH3utxzdE=
2017-05-23T20:57:56 < karlp> (see the bottom of it9
2017-05-23T20:58:45 < karlp> I've tried a few things like putting that in a common.scons file and having the list of "Programs" on the outside and inside out, but it's ... not really clear what magic it needs
2017-05-23T20:59:13 < karlp> VariantDir always insists on a "src" directory, but the source is in .,dirA,../dirB,../blah/dirC
2017-05-23T20:59:23 < karlp> so I don't get how VariantDir is meant to work
2017-05-23T20:59:30 < karlp> will poke it again tomorrow
2017-05-23T21:00:02 < karlp> got a basic scons build working, but not entirely sure i'm much closer to the goal yet :)
2017-05-23T21:10:47 < englishman> https://media.ccc.de/v/biometrie-s8-iris-en
2017-05-23T21:23:41 < jpa-> karlp: i don't know what i'm doing here, but this is the way i put all objects in "build" dir, so maybe you can make "build32" and "build64"? https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/blob/master/tests/SConstruct#L144
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2017-05-23T21:50:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: macpuffdog on your 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WWqo-Yr8lA
2017-05-23T21:52:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat. bookmarked, will watch later today
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2017-05-23T22:04:36 < jpa-> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1495562676297.jpg   oh no, they caught Laurenceb_ 
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2017-05-23T22:07:00 < upgrdman> dem criminals pirating films
2017-05-23T22:07:06 < upgrdman> such atrocities
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2017-05-23T22:17:32 < zyp> karlp, VariantDir gives you a copy of the source tree to build in
2017-05-23T22:18:26 < zyp> SConstruct() has a variant_dir argument that applies it to the entire script
2017-05-23T22:18:37 < jadew`> lol jpa-
2017-05-23T22:18:41 < jadew`> where is that?
2017-05-23T22:18:56 < zyp> i.e. relative urls in the sconscript are relative to the variant dir, not the source dir
2017-05-23T22:19:15 < jadew`> zyp, making a build script?
2017-05-23T22:19:49 < zyp> if you're passing filenames out of one, you need to make sure you're passing them as File objects, not just filenames, so scons keeps track of which context they are relative from
2017-05-23T22:20:32 < zyp> or rather, a File object will turn a relative name into an absolute one when it's instanced so it remains valid in other contexts
2017-05-23T22:22:02 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/SConscript <- Glob() returns a list of File objects, so env['LIB_SOURCES'] remain valid
2017-05-23T22:22:19 < zyp> jadew`, no, I'm helping karlp do it
2017-05-23T22:27:52 < zyp> karlp, if you wanna do it all from one file, I think you can do something like VariantDir('build32', '.') and VariantDir('build64', '.'), which would give you two copies of the entire tree
2017-05-23T22:28:34 < zyp> i.e. '.' being the source dir
2017-05-23T22:36:10 < BrainDamage> https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/05/23/stack-overflow-helping-one-million-developers-exit-vim/
2017-05-23T22:39:46 < Thorn> "developers"
2017-05-23T22:39:52 < zyp> karlp, yeah, this works
2017-05-23T22:40:28 < ohsix> guy working at stackoverflow finally figures out their business model: The question was asked in August 2012, and for a few months it got very little traffic. Then it began growing in the following two years, presumably as more sources linked to it online and it moved to the top of search engine results.
2017-05-23T22:42:26 < ohsix> file objects gives me some ptsd
2017-05-23T22:42:58 < jpa-> huh.. my mother taught me how to exit vim already when i was like 10 years old, but i still exit emacs with "killall emacs"
2017-05-23T22:43:12 < zyp> karlp, here's a single SConstruct example: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/q00YL
2017-05-23T22:43:23 < zyp> which should be more similar to what you want to do
2017-05-23T22:46:11 < ohsix> you could easily have a different title
2017-05-23T22:46:29 < ohsix> half a million button mashers dont' set EDITOR and use git like a clown
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2017-05-23T22:47:56 < ohsix> not that you'd need to know in a lot of situations, the ui's that support source control in the ide's do all their shit in their own way, and that's what people are using
2017-05-23T22:49:07 < BrainDamage> well, EDITOR is set by default to vim / vim used as fallback as unset, by most distros and its usage is not limited by git
2017-05-23T22:49:11 < ohsix> https://www.srrdb.com/release/details/How.to.pay.for.your.Sites.EXTENDED.2015.1080p.x264.BluRay-AN0NYM0US scene drama
2017-05-23T22:49:15 < BrainDamage> sudoedit, etc
2017-05-23T22:49:19 < ohsix> vigr
2017-05-23T22:49:37 < ohsix> ya i know, it's used a lot more in the debian tools too, cuz of all that choice and shit
2017-05-23T22:50:00 < ohsix> but there's also default-editor or something in the alternatives list, it'll use whichever you happen to install
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2017-05-23T22:58:54 < ohsix> on fedora you actually have to install vim, which is a good reason to not use it
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2017-05-23T23:01:50 < ohsix> got some sort of weird dc jack footprint http://i.imgur.com/kZFD5p2.jpg wat even is this
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2017-05-23T23:03:53 < ohsix> tp5 probably goes with pad to the right to see if it got placed, it's not on any other nets that i can find, bottom ones go to vcc of whole thing, and the two rings aren't connected to anything (???) or themselves
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2017-05-23T23:19:02 < qyx> englishman: http://i.imgur.com/V0Kym9T.png
2017-05-23T23:19:06 < jpa-> ohsix: looks like some pretty normal SMD dc jack, for example   https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cui-inc/PJ-002BH-SMT-TR/CP-002BHPJCT-ND/669694
2017-05-23T23:19:34 < jpa-> ohsix: the rings in the mounting holes are probably just a mistake in defining the component (plated vs. non-plated hole)
2017-05-23T23:19:48 < qyx> it looks like the measurement is temperature dependent much
2017-05-23T23:24:18 < zyp> ohsix, they don't ship a vim.tiny or something?
2017-05-23T23:24:35 < zyp> debian ships vim.tiny in the minimal image, and then you need to install full vim extra if you prefer
2017-05-23T23:25:09 < zyp> also, vim is a pretty good editor once you actually learn it
2017-05-23T23:25:24 < zyp> I kicked myself for not learning it earlier
2017-05-23T23:28:53 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DFRobot-Leddar-M16-Sensor-Module-12V-24V-95-degree-beam-with-Leddar-Enabler-SDK-for-rapid/32613169014.html
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2017-05-23T23:37:06 < ohsix> jpa-: ah dagohughg they are surface mount pads but tbh i didn't even think to look for surface mount parts
2017-05-23T23:37:49 < ohsix> zyp: there is a vi i think, but it isn't default-editor or whatever debian does, but i didn't look into it; i install full vim on debian as one of the first post-install steps too
2017-05-23T23:39:13 < ohsix> a vi that is vim, rather
2017-05-23T23:39:17 < ohsix> got vm around, checking
2017-05-23T23:40:20 < ohsix> [liveuser@localhost-live ~]$  rpm -qf $(which vi)
2017-05-23T23:40:20 < ohsix> vim-minimal-7.4.1989-2.fc25.x86_64
2017-05-23T23:40:24 < ohsix> werd
2017-05-23T23:40:44 < ohsix> iirc the one on debian doesn't show the help text and stuff in the initial window, it does on fedora
2017-05-23T23:42:32 < ohsix> jpa-: thanks
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2017-05-23T23:43:58  * invzim sick of looking at beads
2017-05-23T23:44:24 < ohsix> what kind of beads
2017-05-23T23:44:59 < invzim> ferrite
2017-05-23T23:45:31 < invzim> or for rather, seems they are a little magical
2017-05-23T23:46:15 < ohsix> oic
2017-05-23T23:46:20 < ohsix> just swapping the ones you have in or what
2017-05-23T23:47:25 < invzim> 'supply design' which I don't really know much about
2017-05-23T23:48:14 < invzim> I get that they filter out high frequencies, that they need to be able to withstand n ma/a of current going through them - but I don't really get what the R is for
2017-05-23T23:48:32 < BrainDamage> I've tried to show my sample of beads to the ladies, but they were kinda taken back
2017-05-23T23:49:13 < invzim> i.e. what's the difference between a 50 ohm asn 120 ohm bead
2017-05-23T23:50:00 < BrainDamage> higher resistance means it dissipates more statically, and it has a lower L/R constant( tau )
2017-05-23T23:50:34 < ohsix> impedance changes vs frequency
2017-05-23T23:51:29 < ohsix> what BrainDamage said, that was a response to something else
2017-05-23T23:52:06 < invzim> so 50ohm impedance at 100mhz?
2017-05-23T23:53:09 < invzim> or to be more practical :)  I want to filter out crap on vusb power line - do I want higer or lower?
2017-05-23T23:53:47 < qyx> throw there anything which resembles a ferrite bead and you have it handy
2017-05-23T23:54:01 < qyx> thats my approach to usb vbus filtering
2017-05-23T23:55:48 < invzim> these days I hunt down the parts that would make sense to use in manufacture, available on digikey&co, is available on aliexpress etc (or close equivalent), and make an altium part so BOM will be easy to generate
2017-05-23T23:56:15 < invzim> which makes things A LOT slower :)
2017-05-23T23:56:19 < invzim> but I guess I learn more
2017-05-23T23:56:59 < BrainDamage> if you want to do it precisely, you should pick a R so that the drop across it at max draw is less than some% of th source, then chose L so that f=1/(2*pi*L/R) is at the corner of the frequency you want to start cutting off, eg few kHz, in practice, for usb power none gives a shit
2017-05-23T23:57:22 < ohsix> the test points on this board are silly
2017-05-23T23:57:23 < BrainDamage> slap few caps and a ferrite clamp on the usb cable and call it done
2017-05-23T23:57:55 < invzim> so ferrite bead for vusb is all show and ass-saving?
2017-05-23T23:58:07 < BrainDamage> no, it helps
2017-05-23T23:58:15 < ohsix> the usb spec has stuff on series filtering doesn't it?
2017-05-23T23:58:17 < ohsix> bbl lunch
2017-05-23T23:58:17 < BrainDamage> it's just not very critical
2017-05-23T23:58:41 < invzim> if it's in the 100mhz range, I would't see it on my 1052e anyway
2017-05-23T23:58:50 < BrainDamage> m or M ?
2017-05-23T23:59:05 < invzim> megahertz
2017-05-23T23:59:11 < BrainDamage> then use M
2017-05-23T23:59:18 < invzim> yessir :)
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2017-05-24T00:00:12 < BrainDamage> also hack it to get to 100MHz already, you won't have a good waveform visualization, but at least you'll be able to see if *something* is there
2017-05-24T00:00:29 < invzim> yeah, it's already at 100
2017-05-24T00:03:38 < kakimir> Steffanx: I thought BLE modules were small
2017-05-24T00:03:48 < invzim> Today's useful mail from china: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB-Crocodile-wire-Alligator-clips-Male-female-to-USB-tester-Detector-voltage-meter-ammeter-capacity-power/32723039861.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.t7gUG9
2017-05-24T00:03:55 < kakimir> but those are like tiny small
2017-05-24T00:04:48 < kakimir> always when you wonder size in ebay you are going to get half the size you assumed
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2017-05-24T00:13:45 < crt> I dream about IRC
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2017-05-24T00:18:29 < kakimir> I have never
2017-05-24T00:20:36 < crt> Cunt act
2017-05-24T00:22:36 < kakimir> prob true
2017-05-24T00:24:56 < kakimir> sex act
2017-05-24T00:33:34 < karlp> zyp: will try more tomorrow, but I'd already tried VariantDir("b32", ".") and it ignores it.
2017-05-24T00:34:00 < karlp> jpa's style all required all the source to already have it's own sconscripts in their own neatly scons friendly directories again too.
2017-05-24T00:34:30  * karlp shrugs. tomorrow. maybe with more sleep
2017-05-24T00:35:45 < Steffanx>  hehe kakimir :D
2017-05-24T00:36:31 < karlp> hrm, yuou have blah_env.Object, not just Object() I wonder if that's where I wsa getting implicit env's or something odd.
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2017-05-24T00:43:36 < Steffanx> the sizes were actually given kakimir.
2017-05-24T00:45:24 < Steffanx> Sometimes i just draw the outline on paper, to get a better "feeling" how large/tiny it is.
2017-05-24T01:04:17 < aandrew> anyone familiar with opengl here?
2017-05-24T01:04:21 < aandrew> I know how to rotate using euler angles, but my input data is quaternions and the conversion to euler angles causes trouble with pitch (rotation about y) since asin can only work in -90 to 90
2017-05-24T01:04:25 < aandrew> I am hoping opengl can handle rotation matrices instead of eulers, as a quat->rotationmatrix won't have this issue
2017-05-24T01:09:09 < karlp> heh http://www.cnx-software.com/2017/05/22/arduino-cinque-combines-sifive-risc-v-freedom-e310-mcu-with-esp32-wifi-bluetooth-soc/
2017-05-24T01:19:44 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: oh noes
2017-05-24T01:19:45 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/fbtyTQs
2017-05-24T01:21:11 < jadew`> Laurenceb_, source?
2017-05-24T01:22:33 < Laurenceb_> 4chan of course
2017-05-24T01:23:01 < Laurenceb_> in orig gif she gets eaten by a seal
2017-05-24T01:23:38 < jadew`> really?
2017-05-24T01:23:42 < jadew`> that's crazy
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2017-05-24T01:25:37 < jadew`> http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/21/world/sea-lion-pulls-girl-in-water-trnd/
2017-05-24T01:25:41 < jadew`> she survived
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2017-05-24T01:28:02 < Laurenceb_> wew https://i.imgtc.com/3RVWhdd.png
2017-05-24T01:28:13 < Laurenceb_> and this guy is "far left"
2017-05-24T01:34:10 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/GdxYGJB.jpg
2017-05-24T01:41:59 < jadew`> Steffanx, thanks for "Get out"
2017-05-24T01:44:38 < jadew`> night
2017-05-24T01:51:06 < englishman> qyx: whats accu voltage?
2017-05-24T01:51:22 < englishman> and yes i expect temp to affect reading bigly
2017-05-24T01:51:38 < sync> killing salt
2017-05-24T01:51:39 < sync> lel
2017-05-24T01:51:41 < sync> what a nice name
2017-05-24T01:51:49 < kakimir> Steffanx: my bles came in a bubble wrap
2017-05-24T01:51:52 < kakimir> no esd protecitons
2017-05-24T01:52:07 < englishman> Laurenceb_: i learned an interesting fact the other day
2017-05-24T01:52:26 < englishman> in ww2 burma, the english army lost 120x soldiers to malaria than to combat against the japs
2017-05-24T01:52:37 < englishman> up until ddt was invented and they started spraying it everywhere
2017-05-24T01:53:09 < Laurenceb_> jap fighting skillz confirmed
2017-05-24T01:57:00 < crt> The morning pump
2017-05-24T01:57:15 < crt> I'm a commuter
2017-05-24T01:57:34 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NuV7goGy/IMG_0090.JPG
2017-05-24T02:00:47 < kakimir> 120 times the amount?
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2017-05-24T02:09:46 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-24T02:12:41 < kakimir> recommend blades to rotary tool
2017-05-24T02:13:43 < ohsix> boop
2017-05-24T02:13:52 < ohsix> kakimir: the round ones work best
2017-05-24T02:14:03 < kakimir> sure
2017-05-24T02:14:19 < kakimir> I mean disc type blades
2017-05-24T02:15:00 < sync> tyrolit premium
2017-05-24T02:15:52 < kakimir> rotaty tool?
2017-05-24T02:16:07 < kakimir> equaling "dremel"
2017-05-24T02:16:14 < ohsix> oic
2017-05-24T02:16:33 < ohsix> most of the poop you get is an assortment, you can always just trial & error pretty cheap
2017-05-24T02:16:37 < sync> depends on your rotary tool, could also be a angle grinder
2017-05-24T02:16:48 < ohsix> fiber reinforced is going to last a lot longer and cut more materials
2017-05-24T02:17:19 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/36pcs-Mini-Circular-Saw-Blade-Grinding-Wheels-Cutting-Discs-for-Rotary-Tool-Kit-/132042495078?hash=item1ebe589466:g:ykIAAOSw4DJYhrJu how do you feel about these eye poppers?
2017-05-24T02:17:43 < kakimir> always falling into pieces
2017-05-24T02:18:48 < ohsix> jadew`: thanks for mentioning it, i was waiting / would have missed for a while ;]
2017-05-24T02:21:39 < upgrdman> 1e-6 == 1ppm, right?
2017-05-24T02:22:01 < ohsix> y
2017-05-24T02:22:12 < upgrdman> is 6.25ppm UART error rate respectable?
2017-05-24T02:22:38 < upgrdman> (6.25 of every million UART transfers has a corrupt checksum)
2017-05-24T02:22:39 < ohsix> at what speed
2017-05-24T02:22:44 < upgrdman> 16MBaud
2017-05-24T02:22:57 < ohsix> hm good question, how is it corrupted?
2017-05-24T02:23:19 < upgrdman> fuck if i know. prolly sampling some of the bits a tad too early or late
2017-05-24T02:23:48 < ohsix> http://www.robotroom.com/Asynchronous-Serial-Communication-2.html
2017-05-24T02:23:57 < ohsix> this seems concise enough even if avr related olol
2017-05-24T02:24:14 < ohsix> and brings up a good point, absolute error between the two devices is going to dominate the overall error rate
2017-05-24T02:24:43 < ohsix> haven't actually seen ber reported for serial junk, looking
2017-05-24T02:24:49 < upgrdman> well ya, im ~certain the problem is entirely due to clock mismatches
2017-05-24T02:25:01 < upgrdman> and i find it fine, but not sure if i should be proud or embarrassed
2017-05-24T02:25:51 < ohsix> for something that slow i think that rate would be unacceptable but i don't have any idea of what magnitude error is
2017-05-24T02:25:55 < sync> hmm, how often is that say in seconds?
2017-05-24T02:26:42 < upgrdman> 120 seconds
2017-05-24T02:26:58 < upgrdman> err wair
2017-05-24T02:27:03 < upgrdman> you mean seconds between errors?
2017-05-24T02:27:08 < sync> yes
2017-05-24T02:27:35 < upgrdman> about 2 errors per second :) :(
2017-05-24T02:28:14 < sync> that sounds like a lot
2017-05-24T02:28:32 < sync> can you measure the clocks accurately enough?
2017-05-24T02:28:37 < upgrdman> ya but theres ass loads of transfers per second
2017-05-24T02:28:44 < upgrdman> >400k transfers per second
2017-05-24T02:28:58 < sync> sure
2017-05-24T02:29:05 < sync> still sounds like a lot
2017-05-24T02:29:11 < ohsix> what is the source of error in this thing, just the two clocks?
2017-05-24T02:29:23 < sync> I think we basically have 0 errors from low to highside in the stmbl
2017-05-24T02:29:28 < upgrdman> ya thats the problem. i can only sample at 4x this baud rate, so im on the edge of feasibility
2017-05-24T02:29:34 < ohsix> you have that fpga you can do manchester encoding or something to mux the clock with the signal
2017-05-24T02:30:08 < sync> yeah, if you have no issue with that error rate, it is great
2017-05-24T02:30:30 < upgrdman> i guess my boss will have to decide
2017-05-24T02:32:38 < sync> but yeah if you are pushing 16M you don't have a lot of time for stuff
2017-05-24T02:32:59 < sync> are you dma'ing the data out?
2017-05-24T02:33:13 < upgrdman> fpga
2017-05-24T02:33:36 < sync> ah
2017-05-24T02:33:38 < sync> well
2017-05-24T02:33:40 < sync> hmm
2017-05-24T02:33:51 < upgrdman> using dma between mcu and fpga, but that's not where the error is. the fpga is keeping a count of fucked checksums since power on
2017-05-24T02:34:07 < upgrdman> oh fuck
2017-05-24T02:34:12 < upgrdman> i might be able to fix this
2017-05-24T02:34:20 < sync> get to work boi
2017-05-24T02:34:23 < sync> :)
2017-05-24T02:34:52 < upgrdman> just realized, im not resync'ing on the start bits for the second and third bytes. im just "waiting" one bit time, like an idiot
2017-05-24T02:36:30 < sync> oh
2017-05-24T02:36:32 < sync> yeah
2017-05-24T02:36:37 < sync> that is gonna fuck up
2017-05-24T02:36:58 < upgrdman> ya, fail on my part
2017-05-24T02:37:44 < upgrdman> hmm, surprised my error rate was that low, for effective a "30N1" packet
2017-05-24T02:38:40 < sync> good crystals
2017-05-24T02:39:08 < upgrdman> not even, just using internal rc jigglator
2017-05-24T02:39:26 < upgrdman> lattice must be calib'ing them at the fucktory or something
2017-05-24T02:39:36 < tpw_rules> ave does fpgas
2017-05-24T02:39:55 < upgrdman> ave? the youtube guy?
2017-05-24T02:39:59 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-05-24T02:40:09 < upgrdman> really? he doesnt seem technical enough for that
2017-05-24T02:40:13 < tpw_rules> no you sound like him
2017-05-24T02:40:16 < tpw_rules> you are he
2017-05-24T02:40:20 < upgrdman> lol k
2017-05-24T02:40:34 < tpw_rules> can you not imagine him saying "rc jigglator"
2017-05-24T02:43:56 < sync> oh wot
2017-05-24T02:44:10 < sync> you are getting that low error rate with the rc jigger?
2017-05-24T02:44:15 < sync> interesting
2017-05-24T02:44:19 < upgrdman> sync, totally serious. ya
2017-05-24T02:44:24 < sync> hm
2017-05-24T02:44:33 < upgrdman> over a fiber optic link and then 50 feet of DB9 shielded cable
2017-05-24T02:44:35 < sync> I'd be interested in the actual frequencies
2017-05-24T02:44:39 < upgrdman> so fucking pro huh
2017-05-24T02:44:47 < sync> ya, the cable is not really important tho
2017-05-24T02:44:51 < upgrdman> freqs of what
2017-05-24T02:45:03 < sync> cock frequencies of both parties
2017-05-24T02:45:10 < upgrdman> 66.5MHz on both FPGAs
2017-05-24T02:45:30 < upgrdman> 4 clocks per UART bit, so 16.625MBaud
2017-05-24T02:45:48 < sync> yeah sure
2017-05-24T02:45:54 < sync> but what the actual frequencies are
2017-05-24T02:45:59 < upgrdman> oh
2017-05-24T02:46:00 < sync> diff must be pretty low
2017-05-24T02:46:19 < upgrdman> ya too lazy to change my buttstreams and probe vias.
2017-05-24T02:46:36 < sync> ya
2017-05-24T02:47:22 < sync> hm, you can measure bit time
2017-05-24T02:47:28 < sync> although that is gonna be inaccurate
2017-05-24T02:47:30 < sync> or word time
2017-05-24T02:48:47 < upgrdman> i'll keep that in mind when redoing my probe setup. will tweet my results to you if i do it
2017-05-24T02:53:13 < sync> nice
2017-05-24T03:19:56 < zyp> karlp, you need to refer to the variant files under the variant locations, not the original locations, i.e. how I'm referring to common_add/op.c and common_mul/op.c and not op.c directy
2017-05-24T03:21:14 < zyp> when you use the sconscript approach, you don't need to explicitly specify that since all paths are relative to the sconscript and the sconscript itself is subject to the variant dir
2017-05-24T03:41:22 < ohsix> i think i just got axxs to a bridgeport w/ nc
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2017-05-24T03:50:18 < aandrew> I've got a bid on a hartford 2S
2017-05-24T03:53:23 < aandrew> also got a bid on a circular cold saw (bewo CPO350)
2017-05-24T03:53:35 < aandrew> gonna need a VFD to supply thses (both are 3 phase 575V)
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2017-05-24T04:05:16 < crt> coolz
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2017-05-24T04:13:29 < englishman> hi crt https://www.instagram.com/p/BUdGj2LjxRq/
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2017-05-24T04:23:56 < dongs> shouldnt this be hi R2COM
2017-05-24T04:24:04 < englishman> who?
2017-05-24T04:24:19 < dongs> donno some gun faggot from az
2017-05-24T04:24:38 < englishman> yeah dono i never think of chatters unless i am actively trolling at them
2017-05-24T04:24:39 < crt> is that u
2017-05-24T04:24:42 < crt> is that me
2017-05-24T04:24:49 < crt> WHO SAID THAT
2017-05-24T04:24:51 < crt> WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT
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2017-05-24T04:36:41 < crt> do you want me to fuckin' melt in your mouth and not in your hand?
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2017-05-24T04:58:53 < crt> englishman: THE PiLL PRESS
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2017-05-24T05:21:13 < crt> I'M NOT HERE TO BLOW SPIDERS UP YOUR ASS
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2017-05-24T05:33:24 < dongs> damn no idea about any of this capsense shit
2017-05-24T05:33:25 < dongs> i hope it works
2017-05-24T05:33:28 < dongs> just randomly throwing shit on the board
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2017-05-24T05:39:16 < dongs> how do I make hierarchical designators in altidumb not look retarded
2017-05-24T05:39:40 < dongs> i.e. i have cap + resistor in 10 hierarchical blocks, their designator becomes shit like B1_C1 B1_C2 etc
2017-05-24T05:41:04 < dongs> i just want that shit to become C1, C2, C3
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2017-05-24T05:48:01 < dongs> oh yaeh does cuckcad even do hierarchical schematics
2017-05-24T05:48:02 < dongs> fuck
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2017-05-24T06:00:39 < dongs> thats cuz you never make anything complex
2017-05-24T06:01:17 < dongs> complex enough to require hierarchical stuff so i can easily move blocks around and pinswap them
2017-05-24T06:01:22 < dongs> lol gayming motherboard
2017-05-24T06:01:38 < dongs> you know motherboards are just basically place parts, throw some bypass caps on, then hit autoroute
2017-05-24T06:01:52 < dongs> and its all digital 1:1 connections
2017-05-24T06:03:03 < dongs> ncie rage guy
2017-05-24T06:03:57 < dongs> haha. why do you even fucking care
2017-05-24T06:04:26 < dongs> of course it is you fucktard. its for REPEATED BLOCKS
2017-05-24T06:04:44 < dongs> im not gonna copypaste same shit 10 times
2017-05-24T06:04:58 < dongs> when I can do it once and put a sheet entry
2017-05-24T06:11:53 < dongs> nice, i can just do board level annotate later
2017-05-24T06:12:00 < dongs> adn it renumbers everything correctly
2017-05-24T06:22:21 < englishman> In the last year, How to exit the Vim editor has made up about .005% of question traffic: that is, one out of every 20,000 visits to Stack Overflow questions. That means during peak traffic hours on weekdays, there are about 80 people per hour that need help getting out of Vim.
2017-05-24T06:34:28 < crt> semen
2017-05-24T06:34:36 < crt> man vim
2017-05-24T06:34:37 < crt> dads
2017-05-24T06:35:04 < crt> shaved
2017-05-24T06:36:47 < crt> hahaha
2017-05-24T06:36:50 < crt> what the fuck is this mate
2017-05-24T06:37:22 < crt> sometimes i don't know with you rofl!
2017-05-24T06:38:08 < crt> fuck i need a coffee
2017-05-24T06:38:40 < crt> should i inject amphetamines into my cock
2017-05-24T06:39:46 < crt> do you like IRC?
2017-05-24T06:40:09 < crt> every time I go out to a bar, I end up bringing everyone back home to show them IRC
2017-05-24T06:40:14 < crt> same
2017-05-24T06:40:50 < crt> my game is how do i freak out / sicken steffan (stm32 channel daily task)
2017-05-24T06:46:54 < crt> don't go to those places
2017-05-24T06:47:26 < crt> just think they're for sad guys who are lonely and can't talk to girls
2017-05-24T06:48:28 < crt> most the girls there are damaged units, drug problems daddy issues etc
2017-05-24T06:49:34 < crt> last time i lived in the city my housemate was a stripper
2017-05-24T06:50:35 < crt> she tried to shag me
2017-05-24T06:50:53 < dongs> things that happened, #stm32 edition
2017-05-24T06:51:02 < crt> my partner at the time probably wouldn't have enjoyed me doing that
2017-05-24T06:51:06 < crt> and i didn't want AIDS
2017-05-24T06:52:32 < crt> but she was an arts student
2017-05-24T06:52:36 < crt> so i had to let her go
2017-05-24T06:52:55 < dongs> Manchester attack: Salman Abedi named as bomber by police - BBC News
2017-05-24T06:52:56 < dongs> lol
2017-05-24T06:53:03 < crt> my partner at the time of the stripper living in my apartment
2017-05-24T06:53:26 < crt> dongs: well his name wouldn't have been Chris Jones or Peter Davis
2017-05-24T06:54:38 < dongs> cool
2017-05-24T06:55:19 < dongs> is syria next to libya
2017-05-24T06:55:31 < dongs> hm no
2017-05-24T06:55:37 < dongs> but wahtever they're all in same shit area
2017-05-24T06:55:52 < dongs> yeah i just noticed
2017-05-24T06:56:13 < dongs> i remember flying to tripoli in microprose F15 strike eagle
2017-05-24T06:56:15 < dongs> in ODS
2017-05-24T06:56:17 < dongs> er DOS
2017-05-24T06:56:26 < dongs> to blow some shit up in libya
2017-05-24T06:57:24 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnbW7idkOo some awful shit here
2017-05-24T06:57:31 < dongs> that frame rate
2017-05-24T06:59:51 < dongs> often enough. but i gotta finish this dumb layout
2017-05-24T06:59:58 < dongs> less chat, more work
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2017-05-24T07:02:09 < crt> R2COM: i ended up cheating on her
2017-05-24T07:02:27 < crt> then ended it without letting her know what i did
2017-05-24T07:02:31 < crt> just got sick of her shit
2017-05-24T07:03:06 < crt> we remained good friends though
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2017-05-24T07:07:42 < dongs> ok, def nsfw but super lol.  http://krautchan.net/files/1495584176001.webm you've been warned
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2017-05-24T07:25:21 < upgrdman> TIL oven doors can be removed from the oven for cleaning. holy fuck. such dirty. very wow.
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2017-05-24T08:03:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, ebay, ali
2017-05-24T08:04:08 < upgrdman> be sure to specify id or od
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2017-05-24T08:17:23 < qyx> englishman: voltage of the lifepo4 cell
2017-05-24T08:17:26 < qyx> charged from solar
2017-05-24T08:17:46 < qyx> as I failed to implement proper power saving yet
2017-05-24T08:22:32 < ds2> anyone played with radar?
2017-05-24T08:23:58 < qyx> with synth aperture sonar only
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2017-05-24T08:30:15 < ds2> isn't the concept for synth apert sonar same as for radar?
2017-05-24T08:30:32 < ds2> found my old mattel radar gun... want to play with it :D
2017-05-24T08:37:05 < ds2> wel, no so much it but radar in general
2017-05-24T08:38:39 < emeb_mac> well, SAR requires a lot more math than simple ranging.
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2017-05-24T08:46:20 < ds2> *nod*
2017-05-24T08:46:36 < ds2> don't need it to be realtime
2017-05-24T08:46:48 < ds2> I assume SAR requires chrips?
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2017-05-24T08:55:50 < Steffanx> Lolyou R2COM if i freaked out you would have been eliminated already.
2017-05-24T08:59:25 < dongs> ~ELIMINATED~
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2017-05-24T09:10:06 < ds2> R2COM: so CW is sufficient?
2017-05-24T09:11:28 < ds2> so if I aim a CW radar out the side window as a drive, will recording the received signal be enough to image the side?
2017-05-24T09:12:24 < ds2> what is resolution if the xmitter is continous?
2017-05-24T09:14:09 < ds2> putting it another way, how is it different from plotting the 4th root of received signal strength vs distance traveled
2017-05-24T09:19:20 < upgrdman> hmmm the i3 and i5 versions of the new Surface Pro are fanless
2017-05-24T09:19:30 < upgrdman> i7 has fan tho
2017-05-24T09:19:42 < dongs> fuck core iWhatever-U
2017-05-24T09:19:47 < dongs> absolute shit CPus
2017-05-24T09:19:54 < dongs> 15W can fuck right off
2017-05-24T09:20:08 < dongs> upgrdman: did they add more uSB ports to it this time
2017-05-24T09:20:16 < upgrdman> no
2017-05-24T09:20:19 < upgrdman> ports are the same
2017-05-24T09:20:24 < dongs> RIP
2017-05-24T09:20:33 < upgrdman> mDP, usb-a, microSD
2017-05-24T09:20:47 < upgrdman> no
2017-05-24T09:20:53 < dongs> no way, no in 2017
2017-05-24T09:20:54 < upgrdman> my pro4 is fine and holding up well
2017-05-24T09:21:09 < upgrdman> i'll prolly upgrade next time around
2017-05-24T09:21:18 < upgrdman> pro 6 or whatever they decide to call it
2017-05-24T09:21:52 < upgrdman> battery life is supposedly 50% better on the new Pro
2017-05-24T09:22:11 < upgrdman> but i rarely drain my battery very low
2017-05-24T09:22:27 < upgrdman> what i DO want to try is the new pen
2017-05-24T09:22:35 < upgrdman> supposedly its AmazeFast
2017-05-24T09:22:47 < upgrdman> like jizz-your-pants fast
2017-05-24T09:22:48 < ds2> R2COM: the MIT open course stuff has a demo that amounts to pretty much that
2017-05-24T09:23:33 < ds2> that's why this might be a fun project
2017-05-24T09:23:37 < ds2> not expecting much from it
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2017-05-24T09:24:17 < ds2> from your eq's, it sounds like it needs a pulse or chirp but won't work with CW
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2017-05-24T10:09:02 < Thorn> transformer primary is connected to a constant voltage, current is rising linearly. there is a constant voltage induced in the secondary, correct? what polarity is it?
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2017-05-24T10:15:51 < dongs> Thorn: about to submit PCB with leds on GPIOA, i hope this gpio shit works
2017-05-24T10:16:23 < dongs> gpio dma stuff taht is
2017-05-24T10:16:34 < Thorn> make sure swd is still usable lol
2017-05-24T10:16:42 < dongs> eh, of course it is
2017-05-24T10:16:45 < dongs> swd+swo
2017-05-24T10:16:56 < dongs> i have PA0..8 and 11? i think for leds
2017-05-24T10:17:35 < Thorn> which mcu
2017-05-24T10:17:38 < dongs> 401RE
2017-05-24T10:19:34 < Thorn> if you believe the wording in errata docs, the dma bug in 401/411/etc is not as severe as in 407 and so on (or the workaround has a better chance to work)
2017-05-24T10:20:03 < Thorn> or was it some random appnote that actually documents that workaround
2017-05-24T10:20:22 < Thorn> I may have the reference in comments in my code
2017-05-24T10:24:12 < c10ud^> which bug?
2017-05-24T10:24:48 < dongs> it cant be that bad can it? i'm just gonna run a timer, trigger DMA with it, and DMA to ODR or wahtever port
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2017-05-24T10:25:36 < c10ud^> yes it's easy
2017-05-24T10:25:51 < Steffanx> F401 errata doesnt say anything about a dma bug..
2017-05-24T10:26:02 < c10ud^> you will write to pa9-10 also though
2017-05-24T10:26:16 < c10ud^> (and 12-15?)
2017-05-24T10:26:19 < dongs> c10ud^: sure, but they're on AF
2017-05-24T10:26:28 < dongs> so it wont matter?
2017-05-24T10:27:02 < c10ud^> yea probably
2017-05-24T10:28:08 < zyp> yeah, ODR only matters for pins in direct output mode
2017-05-24T10:28:37 < zyp> and even if you used other gpio outputs, you could just write to BSRR instead of ODR
2017-05-24T10:29:34 < dongs> not with DMA
2017-05-24T10:29:39 < dongs> what would i write to bsrr with dma
2017-05-24T10:29:46 < dongs> just the bits to set / reset?
2017-05-24T10:29:52 < dongs> but then i'd need 2 dma transfers?
2017-05-24T10:29:55 < dongs> one for set one for reset
2017-05-24T10:29:59 < dongs> anyway, ODR will do just fine
2017-05-24T10:30:00 < zyp> no, one 32-bit transfer
2017-05-24T10:30:12 < zyp> writing both the set and reset part at the same time
2017-05-24T10:30:19 < dongs> oh, high for set and low for reset?
2017-05-24T10:30:20 < dongs> hmm
2017-05-24T10:30:36 < zyp> yeah
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2017-05-24T10:31:11 < zyp> (mask & value) will give you bits to set, (mask & ~value) will give you bits to reset
2017-05-24T10:31:49 < c10ud^> what is this for? a next-century christmas lights controller?
2017-05-24T10:32:03 < zyp> so BSRR = ((mask & ~value) << 16) | (mask & value) does an atomic masked write
2017-05-24T10:32:26 < Steffanx> Kitt light bar, c10ud^
2017-05-24T10:32:47 < c10ud^> lol right
2017-05-24T10:32:47 < zyp> i.e. you get the same end result as ODR = (ODR & ~mask) | value
2017-05-24T10:33:19 < dongs> worth wasting 2x extra memory for this i guess
2017-05-24T10:33:47 < zyp> depends if you need to use any other pins of the block as gpio outputs
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2017-05-24T10:34:10 < Thorn> see Note: on page 35 in http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/27/46/7c/ea/2d/91/40/a9/DM00046011.pdf/files/DM00046011.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00046011.pdf
2017-05-24T10:34:19 < zyp> if other bits are unused, there's no need to take care not to overwrite them
2017-05-24T10:34:29 < dongs> zyp: nope
2017-05-24T10:34:44 < dongs> they're all there, the unused gpios are AF
2017-05-24T10:34:49 < dongs> i do have an input on there tho
2017-05-24T10:34:52 < dongs> on PA15
2017-05-24T10:34:59 < Thorn> I'm writing to BSRR
2017-05-24T10:35:01 < zyp> ODR is ignored for inputs
2017-05-24T10:35:21 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-24T10:35:55 < zyp> I haven't used BSRR with DMA, but my PinArray class is using it for set(), to update only pins being part of the array
2017-05-24T10:36:01 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/gpio/gpio.h#n147
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2017-05-24T10:37:22 < dongs> thorn, i dont think tehre's even DMA2 on 401RE
2017-05-24T10:37:25 < dongs> its a cheapfuck chip
2017-05-24T10:37:31 < dongs> so i've got nothing to worry about
2017-05-24T10:37:41 < Thorn> there is only 1 DMA and it still has that bug iirc
2017-05-24T10:37:50 < Thorn> check the errata
2017-05-24T10:37:58 < dongs> i'll worry about it when I hit it
2017-05-24T10:38:04 < dongs> not gonna be doing anything crazy on this thing
2017-05-24T10:38:35 < Thorn> https://gist.github.com/pthorn/01cd5c7a3bef0a597e785dc0a87a81d0
2017-05-24T10:38:55 < dongs> you guys really dont like stdperiphlib eh
2017-05-24T10:39:10 < Thorn> ^ my code (for 407, need to port it to 411)
2017-05-24T10:39:23 < Thorn> I don't use stdperiph, only the headers
2017-05-24T10:39:51 < dongs> 407 and 401 dma should be ismilar
2017-05-24T10:39:56 < dongs> yeah it looks straightforward, same shit i was going to do
2017-05-24T10:40:23 < c10ud^> tbh I did but the timer driven periph-to-memory stuff was missing or broken so I ended up writing my own func
2017-05-24T10:40:52 < zyp> Thorn, why do you use macros to pick instances to use instead of passing them as constructor arguments to the class?
2017-05-24T10:40:56 < c10ud^> not that it was hard or something, just..weird considering they write that library for a living (?)
2017-05-24T10:41:16 < zyp> Thorn, looks weird when everything else is in a C++ style
2017-05-24T10:41:52 < Thorn> well in this particular case there is not much choice, I need a dma stream with 3 requests from the same timer
2017-05-24T10:42:06 < Thorn> so no point in making it configurable
2017-05-24T10:42:20 < Thorn> there're 2 possible combinations in 407 and 1 in 401
2017-05-24T10:43:39 < dongs> which combinations?
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2017-05-24T10:44:12 < dongs> you mean output compare DMA shit?
2017-05-24T10:45:24 < Thorn> only TIM1 and TIM8 have UP and OC1...4 on the same dma channel in 407 iirc, and one of those timers does not exist in 401
2017-05-24T10:45:37 < dongs> ah right
2017-05-24T10:45:42 < dongs> no TIM8
2017-05-24T10:45:44 < Thorn> (or maybe it does but is not documented)
2017-05-24T10:46:22 < dongs> nah 4x1 stuff is different die, i think
2017-05-24T10:46:27 < dongs> it only runs at 84mhz?
2017-05-24T10:46:32 < dongs> vs 168 or whatever for 405/7
2017-05-24T10:46:43 < dongs> and is missing a bunch of higher class peripherals
2017-05-24T10:46:44 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-24T10:47:52 < zyp> so far the only changes I've had to make to my shit to get it to run on f401 is linker script for the smaller memories and rcc code that doesn't hardcode 168
2017-05-24T10:47:53 < Thorn> 411 runs slightly higher iirc
2017-05-24T10:48:09 < Thorn> maybe 96MHz if I'm not mistakrn
2017-05-24T10:48:26 < dongs> well im sure 401 can run at 96 or probly even 168
2017-05-24T10:48:30 < dongs> if you just make it so
2017-05-24T10:49:59 < Thorn> with some LN2
2017-05-24T10:50:28 < dongs> naw
2017-05-24T10:50:36 < dongs> 72MHz F103 runs totally fine at like 114 or wahtever
2017-05-24T10:55:53 < Thorn> another possibly relevant appnote http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/7a/88/df/e3/d3/36/40/29/DM00169730.pdf/files/DM00169730.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00169730.pdf
2017-05-24T10:57:31 < dongs> hah
2017-05-24T10:58:06 < dongs> thats defintiely a very specific application
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2017-05-24T11:02:29 < zyp> I also had to add an option to my usb stack to disable vbus sensing, because the assholes who designed the steval-3dp board didn't hook it up
2017-05-24T11:02:43 < ohsix> bluh anyone ok at go? (the game)
2017-05-24T11:03:08 < ohsix> irl pal is beating me pretty bad and i want to learnmorefaster, rather than try and fit in a hundred games with him asap
2017-05-24T11:03:42 < zyp> ohsix, nah, but I attended a couple of times when my uni started a go club
2017-05-24T11:03:59 < Thorn> zyp: 746 discovery has that problem too iirc
2017-05-24T11:04:10 < ohsix> third person we were playing with knew loads of stuff
2017-05-24T11:04:33 < ohsix> and suggested i not just go rote to a book and start researching stuff, like i obv would for anything
2017-05-24T11:05:23 < ohsix> since they are real people in real life that know more than me about it, at face value i trust their advice but it's really not what i would do for anything, huhu
2017-05-24T11:05:57 < zyp> go is the sort of game that's easy to learn but really hard to get good at, even more so than chess, and I don't really have the time to be competitive in either
2017-05-24T11:07:34 < ohsix> today i noticed the other two people had a very sponge-y few matches, something that was claiming and defending space but wasn't constraining anything obvious. we also talked about some conjecture about alphago how it could be an overt strategy to have a low scoring end game, since you only need a half a point to win
2017-05-24T11:07:53 < zyp> well, I have the same attitude to competitive games in general, I just don't have the time to get good at them and I'm not interested in playing just to lose
2017-05-24T11:08:07 < zyp> but casual games with friends that's on my level is fun
2017-05-24T11:08:23 < ohsix> werd
2017-05-24T11:08:47 < ohsix> i'm sort of getting the shape and depth involved and it's a lot of stuff
2017-05-24T11:09:42 < ohsix> being good at it seems interesting enough to do though, it is a lot to keep track of
2017-05-24T11:10:04 < ohsix> Thorn: what starts to fail on these things when you crank up the clock?
2017-05-24T11:10:31 < ohsix> since i can't ask dongs i'll have to try and do it, huhuhuhu
2017-05-24T11:10:58 < Thorn> USB lol
2017-05-24T11:11:10 < Thorn> no experience otherwise
2017-05-24T11:11:16 < ohsix> hah nice
2017-05-24T11:11:33 < ohsix> yea, right; you flat out need the right clock for that and you'll end up nto having the right clock tree
2017-05-24T11:11:53 < ohsix> the adc probably starts acting weird too
2017-05-24T11:12:39 < dongs> the the fuck would AMP!six suddenly care about go
2017-05-24T11:12:43 < dongs> ran out of autistic stuff to do?
2017-05-24T11:13:14 < ohsix> friend decided to put the f103 in some of his projects after i showed him how cheap they were
2017-05-24T11:13:41 < ohsix> another thing before the board game stuff, another meeting; we got talking about the f103 and the peripherals and stuff, the dude i hadn't seen before that was there was really into it huhu
2017-05-24T11:17:42 < crt> hi donbg
2017-05-24T11:20:54 < crt> steffan did you bid on my guitar
2017-05-24T11:28:27 < Steffanx> I dont buy overly expensive aussie gear
2017-05-24T11:28:49 < Steffanx> Wanna trade for stroopwaffles?
2017-05-24T11:29:13 < crt> could do
2017-05-24T11:29:19 < crt> stroopm8s
2017-05-24T11:29:33 < crt> my umm love interest yes
2017-05-24T11:29:40 < crt> shes coming to like sample some
2017-05-24T11:30:02 < crt> hope i can hold onto a few for the next couple of days
2017-05-24T11:31:01 < crt> diabeetus
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2017-05-24T11:37:37 < crt> ono
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2017-05-24T11:42:51 < crt> welcome zyp
2017-05-24T11:42:57 < crt> here https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wm15JbY6/IMG_1413.JPG
2017-05-24T11:43:01 < zyp> sup?
2017-05-24T11:43:15 < crt> just pumping on irc
2017-05-24T11:43:16 < crt> you?
2017-05-24T11:43:43 < zyp> wondering why my VPS went offline all of a sudden
2017-05-24T11:43:51 < dongs> blame lunix
2017-05-24T11:44:26 < dongs> i'm adding #ifdef _MSC_VER to my uguufx.c cuz i got tired of copypasting mcu code into vs code for the lcd emulator
2017-05-24T11:45:48 < crt> zyp: what does 'zyp' actually mean?
2017-05-24T11:45:50 < crt> i never asked
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2017-05-24T11:47:13 < zyp> nothing, on purpose
2017-05-24T11:48:03 < zyp> I picked a nick with no meaning, so it wouldn't be associated with anything, so that I wouldn't run the risk of not wanting to be associated with it in the future
2017-05-24T11:48:57 < Thorn> required reading for innovators https://blog.bolt.io/@BenEinstein
2017-05-24T11:49:15 < dongs> old
2017-05-24T11:49:19 < dongs> i tweeted this liek a month ago
2017-05-24T11:50:38 < Thorn> did anyone read it
2017-05-24T11:51:03 < zyp> I did
2017-05-24T11:51:11 < zyp> but I think it was last week, not last month
2017-05-24T11:51:37 < dongs> yeah about a week or two ago
2017-05-24T11:52:53 < Steffanx> Someone posted it last month. I think englishguy.
2017-05-24T11:53:25 < zyp> I think it's interesting how they put so much work into something that stupid
2017-05-24T11:54:01 < Steffanx> It must have been a nice engineering job.
2017-05-24T11:54:04 < zyp> especially when it ends up coming off as a get rich quick scheme
2017-05-24T11:54:20 < zyp> they would have been richer if they didn't spend so much on engineering
2017-05-24T11:56:50 < dongs> i'm sure they just posted it on freecancer
2017-05-24T11:56:55 < Thorn> >Like our portfolio companies Ubiq, DipJar, or Squadle
2017-05-24T11:57:00 < Thorn> >Our investments in Kuvee, Sutro, and Petnet
2017-05-24T11:57:05 < Thorn> what language is this
2017-05-24T11:57:06 < dongs> all trash
2017-05-24T11:57:15 < dongs> all retarded IoT names
2017-05-24T11:57:19 < dongs> dickjar
2017-05-24T11:57:51 < dongs> https://angel.co/kuvee
2017-05-24T11:57:52 < dongs> haha
2017-05-24T11:57:55 < dongs> Kuvee raises $6 million for smart wine bottles, sells out preorders in 3 hours
2017-05-24T11:58:00 < dongs> 6 fucking million
2017-05-24T11:58:02 < dongs> for "smart wine bottles"
2017-05-24T11:58:05 < dongs> truly the internet of SHIT
2017-05-24T11:59:37 < c10ud^> wtf
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2017-05-24T12:28:01 < crt> hicunts
2017-05-24T12:34:52 < crt> CUNT ACT
2017-05-24T12:35:05 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx5zyxbvSjs
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2017-05-24T12:40:45 < crt> xox lb
2017-05-24T12:40:49 < crt> lil blaxta
2017-05-24T12:44:13 < dongs> is this australian entertainment
2017-05-24T12:46:15 < ohsix> blagh
2017-05-24T12:48:19 < crt> yes
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2017-05-24T12:58:11 < crt> steffan gave me kisses b4 you
2017-05-24T13:00:31 < karlp> zyp: the sconscript approach just sounds absurd to have a second file in the same directory, just so that variant dir works "properly" but when I stumbled along that path yesterday I was getting stuck and annoyed with which bits belonged in which file.  going to take your single file from last night and stumble along a bit more now.  should be able to mangle it through from here I hope :)
2017-05-24T13:02:06 < crt> its a dog's life geralt
2017-05-24T13:02:11 < crt> i'll tell you that much
2017-05-24T13:05:36 < karlp> dongs:  that asscake had the best music!
2017-05-24T13:10:25 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/lNUvWj78.html i feel like there's a way better way to do this
2017-05-24T13:12:24 < dongs> this feels like a tectu solution
2017-05-24T13:13:37 < crt> where is tec2
2017-05-24T13:13:45 < dongs> too busy selling uguff
2017-05-24T13:13:48 < dongs> uguufx
2017-05-24T13:14:05 < jpa-> you can probably do some helper method like   void clip(int16_t *coord, uint16_t *size, uint16_t min, uint16_t max)    and then   clip(&x, &w, 0, _width);  clip(&y, &h, 0, _height);   if (w == 0 || h == 0) return; // nothing to draw
2017-05-24T13:14:08 < crt> could have done it in 2 lines with recursions.... come on mate.
2017-05-24T13:14:43 < jpa-> though i would promote everything to int unless this is some 8-bit cpu
2017-05-24T13:14:49 < crt> hi jpa
2017-05-24T13:14:54 < crt> i want to have your dad
2017-05-24T13:15:00 < dongs> err yeah this is shit code I copypasted
2017-05-24T13:15:04 < dongs> the rest of draw stuff is ints
2017-05-24T13:15:04 < jpa-> crt: why?
2017-05-24T13:15:07 < crt> wtf
2017-05-24T13:15:08 < dongs> i gotta fix that
2017-05-24T13:15:12 < crt> how did you un-ignore me
2017-05-24T13:15:13 < crt> ?!?!
2017-05-24T13:15:31 < jpa-> i've been cleaning my ignore list lately
2017-05-24T13:15:37 < crt> also hi i missed you!
2017-05-24T13:15:40 < crt> (seriously)
2017-05-24T13:15:50 < dongs> is amp!six still on it
2017-05-24T13:16:22 < dongs> i think i should be able to combine the 2 for loops at least
2017-05-24T13:16:35 < dongs> they do same shit
2017-05-24T13:17:25 < jpa-> and who calls their image buffer "colors"
2017-05-24T13:19:00 < jadew`> maybe it's full of colors
2017-05-24T13:19:40 < crt> maybe
2017-05-24T13:20:13 < dongs> void drawImage(const uint16_t *data, int x, int y, int w, int h) yeah my other function is proper
2017-05-24T13:20:25 < dongs> clipped was some shit i started off from another crapcode so thats why its not consistent
2017-05-24T13:23:58 < crt> jpa-: are you still freelancing?
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2017-05-24T13:26:05 < jpa-> yes
2017-05-24T13:26:17 < jpa-> at the moment i'm freelazying
2017-05-24T13:27:43 < dongs> the best kinda lazying
2017-05-24T13:28:07 < dongs> ok cleaned up 2 for loops into one, that was good. yeah i think helper thing with clip() sounds good
2017-05-24T13:28:13 < dongs> maybe I can later use it to clip other stuff, too
2017-05-24T13:28:39 < jpa-> clip all the things
2017-05-24T13:28:46 < zyp> karlp, yeah, the sconscript approach is better if you have a more hierarchical design
2017-05-24T13:30:54 < karlp> aka, if you want to throw a bunch of extra files all over the place.
2017-05-24T13:31:16 < karlp> anywya, now I'm just being grumpy.
2017-05-24T13:31:37 < karlp> but a lot of the docs are along the lines of" what do you mean, your source isn't in this exact directory structure?"
2017-05-24T13:31:58 < zyp> hehe
2017-05-24T13:32:21 < karlp> and I don't really feel I'm doing anything "wrong"
2017-05-24T13:32:43 < karlp> I have a directory of ~10 files.  a "shared" directory with a few extra, and a third party lib directory.
2017-05-24T13:33:02 < karlp> I don't see it as reasonable that I should go and add sconscript files to all of those places just so _this_ project can use scons.
2017-05-24T13:33:25 < zyp> that's not a requirement either
2017-05-24T13:34:33 < zyp> but you could have two files in the toplevel dir; one specifying how one variant should be built and one specifying what variants to build
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2017-05-24T13:36:04 < karlp> yeah, two in the top level is where I was trying yesterday, but that seemed truly perverse behaviour of variant dir to need a second file just for that :)
2017-05-24T13:36:14 < zyp> that's how my laks multivariant test works, but it doesn't do any optimization tricks to share common variants between targets
2017-05-24T13:36:14 < karlp> though, I've had similar second makefiles before so I'm just moaning
2017-05-24T13:36:29 < karlp> anyway, all other morning shit caught up with, enough ranting, back to applying things hopefully :)
2017-05-24T13:36:33 < zyp> hehe
2017-05-24T13:36:57 < zyp> I've never claimed scons is perfect, by the way, but it is a hell of a lot better than makefiles
2017-05-24T13:37:09 < karlp> we'll see.
2017-05-24T13:37:41 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/?h=multivariant <- here's the multivariant thing by the way
2017-05-24T13:38:00 < zyp> I think that's a reasonable way to split it into two files
2017-05-24T13:40:51 < zyp> well, for simple stuff where you don't want to optimize and share stuff between variants at least :)
2017-05-24T13:41:05 < karlp> if you're not going to share between variants, there's no point in going down this path at all.
2017-05-24T13:41:19 < karlp> you just call the file repeatedly
2017-05-24T13:42:23 < karlp> what's the conscript/construct naming from? any standard on which is which?
2017-05-24T13:43:03 < zyp> SConstruct is the top level file that scons is looking for when you type scons
2017-05-24T13:43:06 < dongs> any way to do 2x scale/antialiasing without looking ass?
2017-05-24T13:43:13 < dongs> or does it only start looking good a like 4x
2017-05-24T13:43:40 < zyp> SConscript is sub-files intended to be included from a higher-level file
2017-05-24T13:44:34 < zyp> you can basically call the latter whatever you want (laks/build_rules is one too)
2017-05-24T13:45:03 < zyp> kinda equivalent to Makefile vs whatever.mk
2017-05-24T13:45:36 < jpa-> dongs: 2x should work fine also
2017-05-24T13:47:22 < dongs> jpa, you mean just dumb 2x scale?
2017-05-24T13:47:26 < dongs> every pixel -> *2
2017-05-24T13:48:48 < jpa-> what kind of content? if text or pixel graphics, scale2x works pretty well  http://www.scale2x.it/
2017-05-24T13:48:53 < dongs> font
2017-05-24T13:48:54 < dongs> ok
2017-05-24T13:48:57 < crt> senpai's place
2017-05-24T13:49:09 < dongs> donate with paypal
2017-05-24T13:49:10 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/58DbnjQZ/IMG_1003.JPG
2017-05-24T13:49:11 < dongs> looks good to me
2017-05-24T13:49:19 < zyp> isn't 2xAA just render in double width/height, then average every 2x2 pixels?
2017-05-24T13:49:28 < dongs> i donno?
2017-05-24T13:49:29 < dongs> :)
2017-05-24T13:49:29 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_art_scaling_algorithms#EPX.2FScale2.C3.97.2FAdvMAME2.C3.97  
2017-05-24T13:50:30 < jpa-> zyp: well if one is rendering a bitmap font then that wouldn't give much advantage :P
2017-05-24T13:50:46 < dongs> that.. algorithm... wat
2017-05-24T13:50:50 < dongs> i cant even
2017-05-24T13:50:52 < crt> here i am trying to find pics of me before the gender reassignment for steffan to peruse
2017-05-24T13:51:00 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CA3J3sf3/IMG_1064.JPG
2017-05-24T13:52:03 < dongs> does that mean i need to render my font (say 16x16) into a 18x18 box to be able to sample shit above it?
2017-05-24T13:52:57 < dongs> static inline void scale2x_8_def_whole(scale2x_uint8* restrict dst0, scale2x_uint8* restrict dst1, const scale2x_uint8* restrict src0, const scale2x_uint8* restrict src1, const scale2x_uint8* restrict src2, unsigned count)
2017-05-24T13:53:01 < dongs> ha ha ha ha ha hahah
2017-05-24T13:53:11 < dongs> what teh FUCK was wron with just using fuckjing uint8_t
2017-05-24T13:53:20 < dongs> this is why opensores is fucking retarded
2017-05-24T13:53:39 < jpa-> https://github.com/amadvance/scale2x/blob/master/scalerx.c#L107   here is the easy to read reference implementation ;
2017-05-24T13:53:40 < jpa-> )
2017-05-24T13:54:20 < jpa-> which is actually pretty clean if you just ignore all the "opt_ver" optional versions and take lines 117-125 and 146-149 only
2017-05-24T13:54:45 < zyp> dongs, idk, I've seen plenty of proprietary code inventing their own dumb types
2017-05-24T13:55:08 < dongs> so i dont get, how does this work at the edge of a 16x16 image
2017-05-24T13:55:15 < dongs> pixeL_get (x -1 will already fail
2017-05-24T13:55:25 < jpa-> even i had to make my own typedef uint_least8_t pb_byte_t;   because i was too lazy to write uint_least8_t
2017-05-24T13:55:35 < zyp> dongs, what's the input size and what's the output size you want?
2017-05-24T13:55:48 < jpa-> dongs: just hardcode it to be white outside the box or something
2017-05-24T13:56:17 < crt> labgruppen tho
2017-05-24T13:56:59 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JNeCGABc/IMG_1513.JPG https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cYeHd31N/IMG_1514.JPG
2017-05-24T13:57:47 < Fleck> uuu, labgrupen? :D
2017-05-24T13:58:04 < zyp> wtf are you talking about?
2017-05-24T13:58:52 < crt> sweden mate
2017-05-24T13:59:05 < crt> thats the swedish amplifier company
2017-05-24T13:59:10 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-05-24T13:59:14 < Fleck> whats wrong with it crt?
2017-05-24T13:59:18 < crt> nothing.
2017-05-24T13:59:22 < crt> it is fantastic.
2017-05-24T13:59:23 < Fleck> ohh, cool
2017-05-24T13:59:34 < crt> beacause i had a dream about 12 years ago
2017-05-24T13:59:47 < dongs> zyp, just 16x16
2017-05-24T13:59:47 < crt> 'feed a class ab output stage with a buck regulator'
2017-05-24T14:00:14 < zyp> dongs, so you have a 16x16 image, and you just want to smooth the edges?
2017-05-24T14:00:19 < crt> no rhp zeroes pretty nice transfer fn
2017-05-24T14:01:00 < dongs> zyp, no i have unicode font in 16x16 cell
2017-05-24T14:01:07 < dongs> drawing shit on screen
2017-05-24T14:01:12 < zyp> yeah?
2017-05-24T14:01:12 < dongs> but i do it one char at a time
2017-05-24T14:01:13 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FfIYCA9t/IMG_1489.JPG
2017-05-24T14:01:17 < dongs> so i wanna 2x it
2017-05-24T14:01:25 < dongs> larger font, cuz unicode takes up like 1.3megs already for 16x16
2017-05-24T14:01:31 < dongs> so i cant just add antialiased scaled version
2017-05-24T14:02:04 < zyp> okay, so you're rendering up to 32x32 essentially
2017-05-24T14:02:09 < dongs> ya
2017-05-24T14:02:24 < dongs> i guess i shouldnt care about adjacent pixels in either display or font
2017-05-24T14:02:26 < dongs> that'd be too much work
2017-05-24T14:02:38 < dongs> < jpa-> dongs: just hardcode it to be white outside the box or something < should this be my 'font backgrond color'?
2017-05-24T14:02:43 < zyp> the second implementation on wikipedia should work fine then
2017-05-24T14:02:46 < jpa-> dongs: yes
2017-05-24T14:03:36 < dongs> ok, gonna bruteforce this shit
2017-05-24T14:04:22 < zyp> that second wikipedia implementation has four ifs, just have either of those return false if they would read any pixels out of bounds
2017-05-24T14:04:32 < dongs> right
2017-05-24T14:04:54 < dongs> for now for testing i will jsut write an actual pixel_get like thing that'll return shit from that array, will optimize it later
2017-05-24T14:05:22 < jpa-> if your font is on external memory and you're loading from there, might even make sense to have 18x18 array in ram and to load the whole character to middle 16x16 of it
2017-05-24T14:05:40 < jpa-> because you'll be reading each pixel multiple times, doesn't make sense to re-read external chip for every pixel
2017-05-24T14:05:50 < dongs> oh, its already in ram buffer
2017-05-24T14:05:51 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-24T14:05:52 < dongs> just 16x16 tho
2017-05-24T14:06:06 < dongs> i suppose i could make it 18x18 if that makes shit faster
2017-05-24T14:06:27 < jpa-> avoids extra ifs
2017-05-24T14:06:29 < dongs> but then i cant read it in a single transaction
2017-05-24T14:06:42 < dongs> er wait
2017-05-24T14:06:49 < zyp> yeah, you need to deal with stride shit
2017-05-24T14:06:51 < dongs> i have a separate read -> render to 16x16 -> draw
2017-05-24T14:06:56 < dongs> so i can fix it in render
2017-05-24T14:07:14 < dongs> but then... i have to specialcase it in non-scaled draw
2017-05-24T14:07:22 < dongs> sounds like a lose everywhere, i'll just add if()s for nwo
2017-05-24T14:07:23 < crt> old irc trolls
2017-05-24T14:08:11 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/o5ZtPffO/phix.png
2017-05-24T14:08:12 < crt> rofl
2017-05-24T14:08:26 < zyp> if your draw() supports stride (bytes per line) you could just set it to 18 and pass it the 18x18 buffer
2017-05-24T14:08:50 < zyp> 1,1-offset into 18x18 buffer, actually
2017-05-24T14:10:24 < jpa-> if your font has 1 pixel of white for spacing on most edges, you could just disregard everything and let it wrap to previous row or garbage; it will very rarely even show up
2017-05-24T14:27:24 < dongs> cool
2017-05-24T14:28:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7rKxTR0.png
2017-05-24T14:28:37 < dongs> looks kinda awful tbh, i blame lunix
2017-05-24T14:29:54 < crt> a i u e o
2017-05-24T14:29:56 < crt> suck a dick faggots
2017-05-24T14:29:59 < crt> (y)
2017-05-24T14:30:01 < crt> good job.
2017-05-24T14:32:47 < crt> my foray into maya  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XDe80Xs6/bongRender.png
2017-05-24T14:33:44 < dongs> fucking stoner
2017-05-24T14:35:49 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IjPczXFh/subz.jpg
2017-05-24T14:36:21 < crt> it was a nexo ls1200 clone
2017-05-24T14:36:22 < crt> https://used-stage-equipment.com/assets/use_anzeigen-images/Nexo%20ls1200%20subwoofer.jpg
2017-05-24T14:39:18 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/bikAdj49.html i wonder how slow this is gonna be on actual stm
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2017-05-24T14:50:06 < dongs> wat
2017-05-24T14:50:15 < c10ud^> isn't there plenty of draw libs already?
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2017-05-24T14:51:26 < dongs> i dont have an irc client on my current phone...
2017-05-24T14:52:02 < Steffanx> We'll miss you.
2017-05-24T14:52:28 < dongs> oh
2017-05-24T14:52:32 < dongs> i know where that chatter is
2017-05-24T14:53:17 < dongs> c10ud^: yes but they all suck
2017-05-24T14:53:30 < dongs> so i can make one that sucks even MORE
2017-05-24T14:53:35 < dongs> thats what autism is all about
2017-05-24T14:53:50 < Steffanx> Used mcufont right?
2017-05-24T14:53:55 < dongs> nope
2017-05-24T14:54:02 < dongs> even rolled my own font format
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2017-05-24T14:54:05 < Steffanx> No more? :(
2017-05-24T14:54:05 < c10ud^> ahah
2017-05-24T14:54:26 < crt> do girls often ask you how big your dick is before they come over to fuck
2017-05-24T14:54:39 < crt> im serious
2017-05-24T14:54:45 < crt> i just got asked something of that sort
2017-05-24T14:54:52 < dongs> i wanted a mostly complete unicode support with just a few ranges missing
2017-05-24T14:54:52 < Steffanx> I bet they dont ask you. They dont do kiddos.
2017-05-24T14:55:02 < crt> creepy
2017-05-24T14:55:16 < dongs> by the time i finished writing my impementation
2017-05-24T14:55:20 < dongs> mcufont was still trying to output s omething
2017-05-24T14:55:24 < dongs> with my selected ranges
2017-05-24T14:56:05 < crt> impregnation
2017-05-24T14:56:10 < crt> implementation
2017-05-24T14:57:31 < jpa-> mcufont compression algorithm: 1. make random changes 2. see if it got smaller
2017-05-24T14:58:02 < dongs> i didnt bother compressing
2017-05-24T14:58:25 < jpa-> yep, doesn't give much benefit for small fonts
2017-05-24T14:58:35 < dongs> 1.3megs font.bin currently with 95% of all the unicode I need to use. and I can easily add other pages and rebuild the .bin and .h that it uses to find range holes
2017-05-24T14:58:54 < jpa-> 100 pixels high ascii has lot more redundant info than 16px high chinese
2017-05-24T14:58:59 < dongs> yeah
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2017-05-24T15:17:16 < crt> ni hao
2017-05-24T15:17:51 < dongs> Waifu2x[29] is Image Super-Resolution for Anime-styled art using Deep Convolutional Neural Networks. It also supports photos. The demo application can be found at http://waifu2x.udp.jp
2017-05-24T15:17:55 < dongs> ...
2017-05-24T15:18:34 < dongs> looks like zyp was busy
2017-05-24T15:18:41 < crt> hi
2017-05-24T15:18:56 < crt> i'm back now
2017-05-24T15:20:23 < dongs> haha its written in fucking LUA
2017-05-24T15:20:27 < dongs> ok fucking right off
2017-05-24T15:20:51 < dongs> and something called torch
2017-05-24T15:20:52 < dongs> what the hell
2017-05-24T15:21:06 < zyp> haha
2017-05-24T15:21:33 < karlp> torch is some big computing framework iirc.
2017-05-24T15:21:49 < Steffanx> No python no zyp.
2017-05-24T15:22:03 < dongs> karlp: yeah i noticed when i saw somethign about torch.tensorshit
2017-05-24T15:22:09 < dongs> nothx
2017-05-24T15:23:35 < zyp> tensorflow?
2017-05-24T15:23:54 < dongs> i think so. already rage-closed page
2017-05-24T15:24:20 < zyp> AFAIK tensorflow is some google lib for machine learning and shit
2017-05-24T15:29:16 < dongs> hmm
2017-05-24T15:36:34 < jadew`> lol dongs, nice find
2017-05-24T15:37:03 < jadew`> oh, was reading the scrollback
2017-05-24T15:37:09 < dongs> sup?
2017-05-24T15:37:12 < dongs> the .webm?
2017-05-24T15:37:18 < jadew`> yeah :)
2017-05-24T15:37:23 < dongs> rite
2017-05-24T15:37:53 < karlp> zyp: the # here is what has been goign wrong the whole time.  your demos didn't have outside paths the same way.
2017-05-24T15:37:56 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/scons-test-variants/blob/master/project/SConstruct#L20
2017-05-24T15:38:11 < karlp> the error messages I was getting were not helping resolve this.  just adding # fixed it.
2017-05-24T15:39:11 < zyp> oh, I assumed . were referring to the top level dir
2017-05-24T15:39:48 < zyp> VariantDir only applies to files under that dir
2017-05-24T15:40:37 < zyp> I have no idea what the # does, but eh
2017-05-24T15:40:47 < zyp> sort of a name mangling, I guess?
2017-05-24T15:41:49 < karlp> something. you get "special" filenames in the variant dirs with it, but it all sort of works, just looks a bit funny.
2017-05-24T15:42:17 < karlp> well, I have a tree with multiple projects in it. tree/common and tree/projectA and tree/projectB.
2017-05-24T15:42:38 < karlp> (there's actually a third layer with files shared between linux and devices as well)
2017-05-24T15:43:10 < zyp> I imagine it would also work to use .. in the call to VariantDir and then join bin_32/project/ to the paths
2017-05-24T15:43:29 < karlp> the relative paths all worked no surprises before variantdir got involved
2017-05-24T15:44:24 < karlp> nope, that doens't work. I just tried that in that test repo I made.
2017-05-24T15:44:25 < zyp> yeah, but given the way VariantDir works by creating an alias for the tree under the dir you specify as src dir, it makes sense that you won't get files outside of that dir in the variant tree
2017-05-24T15:48:07 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmtSnh1nOZ4
2017-05-24T16:00:03 < dongs> hey crt
2017-05-24T16:00:07 < dongs> how about linking something funny
2017-05-24T16:00:29 < crt> hi
2017-05-24T16:00:44 < crt> thanks for the highlight bro
2017-05-24T16:04:01 < crt> don't do comedy
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2017-05-24T16:13:57 < Laurenceb_> donate your superior genes to their women
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2017-05-24T16:23:12 < vib> Hi everyone. I have a Generic STM32F103  board and i'm quite new to this kind of board. I would like to use pin by their binary number in order to save time during my sketch. Do you know where I can find this information ? thank you
2017-05-24T16:24:12 < Fleck> refernce manual?
2017-05-24T16:24:17 < vib> I have to mention that I only used arduino board before ;)
2017-05-24T16:24:28 < dongs> pin by their binary number what
2017-05-24T16:24:33 < dongs> is this a weak attempt at trolling
2017-05-24T16:25:00 < vib> lol no dongs , as i said,I come from arduino world and try to adapt to STM32
2017-05-24T16:25:22 < dongs> don't. either stick to stm32duino shite or do it proper
2017-05-24T16:26:30 < vib> ok ok
2017-05-24T16:27:17 < Steffanx> Lol now dongs is trolling.
2017-05-24T16:27:22 < dongs> which part
2017-05-24T16:27:25 < dongs> stm32duino is legit
2017-05-24T16:27:35 < englishman> ...binary number what
2017-05-24T16:27:43 < englishman> like 0x4000blag
2017-05-24T16:27:47 < Steffanx> But you telling someone to stick with *duino
2017-05-24T16:28:06 < dongs> Steffanx: one of the dickstarter dudes writes shit in arduino then gives it to me to copypaste into stm32
2017-05-24T16:28:43 < zyp> hah
2017-05-24T16:28:51 < englishman> nice.
2017-05-24T16:29:10 < Steffanx> But what do you mean with binary number vib ?
2017-05-24T16:29:20 < dongs> pretty sure he just means the tarduino pin number
2017-05-24T16:29:32 < dongs> like digitalOut(1, HIGH) or whatever the fuck
2017-05-24T16:29:49 < vib> for example I use something like:
2017-05-24T16:29:51 < dongs> http://wiki.stm32duino.com/images/a/ae/Bluepillpinout.gif
2017-05-24T16:29:59 < vib> #define encoderA 0b00000100
2017-05-24T16:30:05 < Steffanx> Hi Fleck. Hows fleckgfx?
2017-05-24T16:30:16 < Fleck> never seen that
2017-05-24T16:30:41 < vib> For what i understood, the treatment of this is a little bit faster than #efine encoderA 12
2017-05-24T16:30:46 < dongs> will tectu get angry if i call my shitty display.c uguufx
2017-05-24T16:30:50 < karlp> zyp: scons is slower :| https://zerobin.net/?f5a32c8a30471147#PpHxbtGJfE93kA+JRz6q/BSFDN9SajXkLCGs6mLgdEQ=
2017-05-24T16:30:55 < zyp> vib, no, it's not
2017-05-24T16:30:59 < dongs> vib: not only is it not, its also non-standard
2017-05-24T16:31:16 < vib> oh OK
2017-05-24T16:31:18 < englishman> nice to know there are PWM pins on stm32
2017-05-24T16:31:37 < vib> then I should stick to the basic way
2017-05-24T16:32:07 < zyp> karlp, lots of files involved?
2017-05-24T16:32:41 < zyp> does your makefiles do dependency scanning, making those .d-files?
2017-05-24T16:32:42 < dongs> blame python
2017-05-24T16:32:49 < zyp> dongs, partly that too
2017-05-24T16:34:10 < dongs> lol is it really ptyhon
2017-05-24T16:34:12 < dongs> i was just trolling
2017-05-24T16:34:26 < dongs> i do not fucking understand why there's a need to create "build systems" in interpreted languages
2017-05-24T16:34:33 < dongs> when make already exists (as shitty as it is anyawy)
2017-05-24T16:35:09 < zyp> because you can then let iterative code build the dependency tree
2017-05-24T16:35:46 < zyp> when everything is functions, it's easy to wrap those in simplifying functions that does stuff based on arguments
2017-05-24T16:36:20 < karlp> zyp: makefiles were meant to be doing .d scanning, but... seems they aren't.  the scons is better because it's actually feasible to do the variants.
2017-05-24T16:36:42 < zyp> like in my lib, I have a SelectMCU function that's called with the stm32 variant, and configures all the compiler flags for the given mcu
2017-05-24T16:37:07 < karlp> but the makefiles are actually doign more, like objcopy bins out, running size checks and also extracating a git version
2017-05-24T16:37:37 < karlp> extracting the env setup won't save anything but possibly legibility anyway, I can't see how it saves any build time.
2017-05-24T16:38:22 < karlp> was just hoping it ws going to be faster too, from "automagic -j handling"
2017-05-24T16:38:37 < zyp> I would guess the time is mostly spent scanning includes
2017-05-24T16:38:45 < zyp> since scons does that internally
2017-05-24T16:38:50 < karlp> which is meant obe handled in this .db file it made.
2017-05-24T16:39:04 < karlp> .sconsign.dblite
2017-05-24T16:39:06 < zyp> yeah, it should cache it, unsure if that's also thrown out when you clean
2017-05-24T16:39:25 < zyp> does a "nothing to do" invocation take a significant time?
2017-05-24T16:39:41 < karlp> longer than I think it should, but not much.
2017-05-24T16:40:33 < karlp> .sconssign.dblite is kept between runs
2017-05-24T16:41:23 < karlp> presence of the file make ~zero difference in speed from clean
2017-05-24T16:41:54 < karlp> but saves it on the rebuilds :)
2017-05-24T16:44:29 < karlp> bit lame that vim doesn't recognise SConstruct automatically.
2017-05-24T16:44:37 < karlp> says a lot about the popularity of scons.
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2017-05-24T16:47:41 < emeryth> wow elecrow is now doing $5 10x10cm PCBs
2017-05-24T16:49:11 < sync> nice
2017-05-24T16:50:04 < Ecco> how's the quality? HASL? 4 layers?
2017-05-24T16:50:08 < Ecco> including shipping?
2017-05-24T16:50:25 < dongs> china has been doing shit for $5 for ages
2017-05-24T16:50:35 < zyp> hah, 4L for $5, dream on
2017-05-24T16:50:41 < dongs> what teh fuck
2017-05-24T16:50:46 < dongs> my shitbucket accuont is e mpty
2017-05-24T16:51:01 < dongs> hwo the fuck do i see remote url shit for git
2017-05-24T16:51:07 < zyp> git remote -v
2017-05-24T16:51:17 < dongs> hmmm
2017-05-24T16:51:19 < dongs> its tehre
2017-05-24T16:51:22 < dongs> and shit got commited to ti
2017-05-24T16:51:28 < dongs> yet all my repositoreis are gone when i login
2017-05-24T16:51:46 < zyp> good thing git keeps all history locally too then
2017-05-24T16:54:30 < dongs> k apparently i just had to move my atlassian account or osme other hsit
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2017-05-24T17:51:40 < Steffanx> Welcome Sir Rob235
2017-05-24T17:51:56 < Rob235> how are you today sir Steffanx
2017-05-24T17:52:10 < Steffanx> Im goood. Working day is over.
2017-05-24T17:52:14 < Rob235> nice
2017-05-24T17:52:17 < Steffanx> Time for weekend
2017-05-24T17:53:26 < Rob235> early weekend?
2017-05-24T17:54:27 < Steffanx> Yeah. We have this ascending of jesus holiday tomorrow
2017-05-24T17:54:56 < Steffanx> Christian traditions..
2017-05-24T17:55:22 < zyp> same
2017-05-24T17:55:50 < zyp> I don't have any plans though, so I'm not taking friday off
2017-05-24T17:56:31 < Steffanx> Me neither, but i hate one day off and then another day of work and then weekend.
2017-05-24T17:56:32 < Rob235> isn't that called Easter and already passed? :)
2017-05-24T17:56:43 < zyp> no
2017-05-24T17:56:58 < zyp> Steffanx, hehe, may is full of that shit here
2017-05-24T17:57:04 < zyp> last week I had wednesday off
2017-05-24T17:57:07 < Steffanx> Yes, same here.
2017-05-24T17:58:03 < zyp> 1., 17. and 25. of may are holidays this year
2017-05-24T17:58:05 < Steffanx> Oh not wednesday off.
2017-05-24T17:58:07 < zyp> also 5. june
2017-05-24T17:58:11 < Rob235> I decided to start a pushup routine to get some exercise.. I started 2 days ago and haven't done any since because I'm so sore! :P
2017-05-24T17:58:23 < zyp> and then no extra holidays before christmas
2017-05-24T17:58:37 < Steffanx> Better get moving, get a bicyclr Rob235
2017-05-24T17:58:47 < Steffanx> And do some short tour
2017-05-24T17:58:48 < Rob235> pushups are a good start
2017-05-24T17:59:13 < zyp> I tried a stupid pushup routine once
2017-05-24T17:59:14 < Rob235> I dont want to lose weight so cardio isn't a high priority
2017-05-24T17:59:34 < zyp> I started by doing one pushup some day
2017-05-24T17:59:40 < zyp> the next day I did two
2017-05-24T17:59:48 < zyp> kept increasing by one every day
2017-05-24T18:00:00 < Rob235> =IF(A3>2,IF(MOD(A3, ($L$2+1))=0, "Off", IF(C2="Off", C1+$L$3, C2+$L$3)),IF(A3=1,$L$1,$L$1+$L$3))
2017-05-24T18:00:03 < zyp> I think I got a month and a half into it before I got tired of it
2017-05-24T18:00:03 < Rob235> that is my routine :)
2017-05-24T18:00:05 < jpa-> you'd be hulk if you'd gone <<=1 instead of +=1
2017-05-24T18:00:25 < zyp> haha
2017-05-24T18:01:00 < zyp> well, I would probably be even if I just stuck to it, that was some years ago so I'd probably be up around 1k a day now
2017-05-24T18:01:57 < Rob235> I did two sets of 20 to start with, figured Id increase 2 a day except taking every 4th day off (3 days on, 1 off) eventually id have to switch to 3 sets a day to get them done which is fine
2017-05-24T18:02:36 < Rob235> maybe I'll just increase 1 a day
2017-05-24T18:02:51 < Rob235> since I'm starting relatively high
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2017-05-24T18:07:33 < englishman> dongs
2017-05-24T18:07:35 < englishman> Please provide the file like the attached one, for example. It uses red dots to indicate all ICs’ pin-1 position and all polar components’ direction, such as LED.
2017-05-24T18:07:40 < englishman> is there a way to do this in <5 seconds
2017-05-24T18:08:51 < englishman> and/or PADS export
2017-05-24T18:10:53 < englishman> this sounds like shitty and tedious work that i will need to bill for, since they are incapable of using silkscreen layer to see component orientation
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2017-05-24T18:33:53 < karlp> sweet, netbeans understands scons natively
2017-05-24T18:34:23 < karlp> heh, not enough to actually do syntax highlighting of the sconstruct file though
2017-05-24T18:37:01 < englishman> aha appears draftsman can do this
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2017-05-24T19:03:26 < englishman> sure enough draftsman makes short work of it
2017-05-24T19:29:09 < karlp> scons is being odd again zyp.  edit main.c  press "make" => scons rebuilds main.o for both variants, doesn't relink the final .elf files for any versions.
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2017-05-24T19:50:46 < karlp> oh heh, it's being smart.
2017-05-24T19:50:53 < karlp> Id only made a whitespace change,
2017-05-24T19:51:07 < karlp> so when it recompiled the .o, it saw it was the same and had no reason to relink them all :)
2017-05-24T19:51:25 < BrainDamage> scons hashes the files
2017-05-24T19:51:34 < karlp> yeah, found that out now :)
2017-05-24T20:02:47 < karlp> hrm, scons manual provided example of a progress function doesn't work, and has syntax errors.
2017-05-24T20:02:50 < karlp> tops
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2017-05-24T20:15:35 < karlp> hrm, just need to figure out how to make a Program depend on a generated file now.
2017-05-24T20:17:34 < englishman> guten tag Tectu
2017-05-24T20:17:58 < Tectu> heil englishman
2017-05-24T20:18:03 < Tectu> wie geht es dir heute?
2017-05-24T20:18:06 < englishman> o/
2017-05-24T20:18:32 < englishman> cava, toé?
2017-05-24T20:18:54 < Tectu> pas mal, pas mal... un peu trop chaud aujourd´hui
2017-05-24T20:19:08 < englishman> mdr
2017-05-24T20:19:32 < englishman> ferme les draps, si le maudite soleil entrer
2017-05-24T20:19:55 < Tectu> there´s no sun where this tectu works
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2017-05-24T20:23:03 < Tectu> how is the snow?
2017-05-24T20:25:30 < englishman> banished
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2017-05-24T20:26:09 < BrainDamage> tec9, want to hang out for a beer this weekend or the next?
2017-05-24T20:26:19 < Tectu> BrainDamage, that would be nice, yes.
2017-05-24T20:27:39 < BrainDamage> Sunday afternoon ok?
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2017-05-24T20:27:53 < Tectu> yep, works for me
2017-05-24T20:30:12 < zyp> karlp, you can add extra dependencies to a rule with Depends()
2017-05-24T20:31:02 < zyp> but if you have a rule to generate a source file and list that source file as an input to Program() that should just work
2017-05-24T20:31:40 < englishman> hmm a typo in a part number in ARROW
2017-05-24T20:32:37 < zyp> i.e. input to Program() doesn't have to exist, as long as scons knows how to make it
2017-05-24T20:33:09 < zyp> of course, if it's a linker script, that doesn't apply
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2017-05-24T20:52:04 < englishman> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/bharry/2017/05/24/the-largest-git-repo-on-the-planet/
2017-05-24T20:53:14 < upgrdman> lol china  https://games.slashdot.org/story/17/05/24/1517259/china-censored-googles-alphago-match-against-worlds-best-go-player
2017-05-24T20:55:45 < qyx> huh windows on git
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2017-05-24T21:06:51 < zyp> and in one repo
2017-05-24T21:07:28 < zyp> I don't know the nature/modularity of the code, but that much stuff in a single repo sounds just weird to me
2017-05-24T21:44:26 < Thorn> so virtual particles are off mass shell, i.e. their mass is different from real particles of the same kind. does it mean that virtual photons are massive?
2017-05-24T21:46:19 < BrainDamage> ask in ##physics
2017-05-24T21:46:29 < Thorn> apparently it does, last sentence here https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/68940/virtual-photons-what-makes-them-virtual
2017-05-24T21:47:26 < BrainDamage> you don't deal with virtual particles tought unless you're doing QFT
2017-05-24T21:48:17 < BrainDamage> which means for most practical things you can forget about them
2017-05-24T21:48:50 < Thorn> or use a capacitor or inductor
2017-05-24T21:49:20 < BrainDamage> what
2017-05-24T21:51:05 < Thorn> EM waves are made of real photons, E and M fields that do not form EM waves are made of virtual photons, no?
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2017-05-24T21:52:36 < BrainDamage> E and M _perturbations_
2017-05-24T21:52:57 < BrainDamage> aka non propagative solutions of maxwell eq
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2017-05-24T23:05:14 < upgrdman> sync, heh, re: yesterday: fixing my uart code so it would resync on the other start bits fixed the problem. zero checksum failure in the last half hour, which is around 600 million packets
2017-05-24T23:06:28 < sync> yes
2017-05-24T23:06:32 < sync> that is how it has to be
2017-05-24T23:07:05 < upgrdman> i know
2017-05-24T23:07:25 < upgrdman> bugs in code result in bugs, who'd have thought that
2017-05-24T23:08:04 < sync> breaking news
2017-05-24T23:08:41 < Steffanx> Fake news.
2017-05-24T23:09:04 < jadew`> that's what they want you to believe
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2017-05-24T23:21:16 < Steffanx> englishman in the end ARROW wasn't so bad :P I got all i need.
2017-05-24T23:22:18 < Steffanx> *ordered
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2017-05-24T23:27:30 < jadew`> I finished assembling this thing and I think doing it via manually dispensing the solder paste + manual pick & place is about 5 times faster than soldering everything by hand
2017-05-24T23:28:09 < crt> Good morning
2017-05-24T23:28:21 < Steffanx> Damn, you get up earlier every day
2017-05-24T23:28:29 < jadew`> requires more tools tho, but I don't think I'll manually solder boards from now on
2017-05-24T23:28:36 < jadew`> morning crt
2017-05-24T23:29:10 < Steffanx> and soldering with hot air jadew`?
2017-05-24T23:29:48 < jadew`> no, regular oven
2017-05-24T23:29:53 < jadew`> well, electric oven
2017-05-24T23:29:58 < jadew`> but not modified
2017-05-24T23:30:18 < crt> Is it a vintage oven from way back when
2017-05-24T23:30:21 < Steffanx> I had a experience i never had before this evening. I also dispenced paste by hand too. Decided to hot air it, but i heated it a bit too fast. The solder paste "exploded".
2017-05-24T23:30:50 < jadew`> Steffanx, because of the flux?
2017-05-24T23:30:57 < Steffanx> Not sure, but i guess.
2017-05-24T23:31:10 < Steffanx> Starting with 360 C wasn't a good idea anyway :P
2017-05-24T23:31:46 < jadew`> the worst part of the assembly process was that I forgot to add thermal relief on SMA and some header pins that connected to ground
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2017-05-24T23:32:15 < jadew`> I used the soldering gun, but damn... it was still painful
2017-05-24T23:32:40 < jadew`> it seemed to go better if I pre-heated the board with hot air
2017-05-24T23:33:36 < Steffanx> with by hand you mean with a syringe  btw?
2017-05-24T23:33:36 < jadew`> probably a more powerful soldering gun would have helped there
2017-05-24T23:34:01 < jadew`> Steffanx, which part?
2017-05-24T23:34:08 < Steffanx> the solder dispensing.
2017-05-24T23:34:15 < jadew`> I use a vacuum pump for pick & place which goes through a syringe
2017-05-24T23:34:34 < jadew`> and the solder dispensing is done with one of those dispensers
2017-05-24T23:34:40 < jadew`> that use compressed air
2017-05-24T23:34:49 < Steffanx> oh you use one of those dispenser tools.
2017-05-24T23:34:55 < jadew`> yeah, it's nice
2017-05-24T23:35:18 < jadew`> I keep it on manual, cuz the dispensed quantity is not entirely reliable
2017-05-24T23:35:28 < jadew`> especially if the solder paste is not too fluid
2017-05-24T23:35:30 < Steffanx> I getto by doing it all by hand.
2017-05-24T23:35:53 < jadew`> you should get one of those things if you do it a lot
2017-05-24T23:36:23 < jadew`> controlling the flow with the pedal is great
2017-05-24T23:37:00 < jadew`> I can see how difficult it is to controll the vacuum pump with my finger (when picking and placing components)
2017-05-24T23:37:30 < jadew`> what do you use to pick up components?
2017-05-24T23:38:01 < Steffanx> just some random tweezers
2017-05-24T23:38:38 < crt> 0201
2017-05-24T23:38:39 < jadew`> oh.. you can improve your life 10 times if you make yourself a vacuum pump
2017-05-24T23:39:07 < sync> I really like my jbc
2017-05-24T23:39:13 < sync> 250W in the tip is seksi
2017-05-24T23:39:28 < Steffanx> what dispenser do you own jadew`?
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2017-05-24T23:39:36 < Steffanx> https://static.eleshop.nl/mage/media/catalog/product/cache/9/image/700x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/s/p/sp-1000_glue_dispenser_01.jpg that?
2017-05-24T23:39:59 < jadew`> looks a bit different
2017-05-24T23:40:10 < jadew`> AD 982
2017-05-24T23:40:22 < crt> Keep pumping
2017-05-24T23:40:29 < jadew`> http://alexnld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/52082.jpg
2017-05-24T23:41:47 < Steffanx> oh, its cheap on ebay/aliexpress. All i need is a compressor.
2017-05-24T23:41:47 < jadew`> Steffanx, I'd say this will get you much better value for money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJWUUK1s_G0
2017-05-24T23:41:52 < jadew`> (the vacuum pump)
2017-05-24T23:42:03 < jadew`> I have the same one and it's super silent and nice
2017-05-24T23:42:50 < jadew`> Steffanx, for the compressor I'm using one of those air brush compressors
2017-05-24T23:42:54 < jadew`> they're also silent
2017-05-24T23:42:57 < jadew`> you can use it at night
2017-05-24T23:43:15 < jadew`> (if it's on a solid surface)
2017-05-24T23:43:27 < Steffanx> My hot air station is terrible noisy, so .. doesnt really matter.
2017-05-24T23:43:46 < Steffanx> Should get another one.
2017-05-24T23:44:12 < jadew`> I have something like this for the compressor: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Airbrush-Air-Tank-Compressor-Regulator-Filter-Hose-3L-Tank-1450-1750-RPM-1-5-HP-/131976370055
2017-05-24T23:45:31 < Steffanx> Will look into it, thanks :0
2017-05-24T23:45:36 < jadew`> np
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2017-05-24T23:57:47 < karlp> jadew`: yeah, that was my experience too.  hand syringing paste and hot air by hand is way faster. (hand syringing paste and toaster oven even faster, but a bit more setup)
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2017-05-25T00:11:17 < zyp> I also have the experience with heating paste too fast
2017-05-25T00:11:41 < zyp> tried that a couple of times and decided fuck paste if I'm not reflowing
2017-05-25T00:13:51 < englishman> ah the wonders of rohs aka living in the modern era with electric lights and triple-glazed windows
2017-05-25T00:14:25 < englishman> dirty leaded peons
2017-05-25T00:21:04 < ds2> solder balls being washed everywhere can really ruin your day
2017-05-25T00:22:50 < crt> Muh balls
2017-05-25T00:24:31 < aandrew> always wash your balls
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2017-05-25T00:35:11 < englishman> client is saying their ground plane needs no electrical connection to the antenna's built in ground plane
2017-05-25T00:35:21 < englishman> should i simply ask them to double check, or insist
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2017-05-25T00:58:22 < zyp> wat?
2017-05-25T00:59:09 < zyp> so they have an antenna module with a built in ground plane, and they only ran rf signal there, not rf ground?
2017-05-25T00:59:50 < zyp> what sort of antenna is this?
2017-05-25T01:01:14 < jadew`> random wire antenna obviously
2017-05-25T01:01:41 < jadew`> because they're radiating with the wire that goes to the antenna
2017-05-25T01:02:35 < zyp> no, I mean, what module are they using?
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2017-05-25T01:22:09 < crt> If you think I'm weird I'd love to introduce you to the grinder
2017-05-25T01:27:13 < crt> Fuck mate I'm turning into Steffan
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2017-05-25T01:50:44 < karlp> hrmm. https://el-tramo.be/blog/scons2ninja/
2017-05-25T01:51:35 < karlp> zyp: added git versions and python generated header files into that little demo project now. https://github.com/karlp/scons-test-variants/blob/master/project/SConstruct
2017-05-25T01:52:00 < karlp> that covers all the things I needed it for. might be just good to go.
2017-05-25T01:52:10 < karlp> it's certainly doing more complete dependency tracking that my makefiles were.
2017-05-25T01:55:38 < zyp> yeah, the checksum thing you mentioned before is a nice feature too
2017-05-25T01:56:00 < zyp> tends to tell me whether changes I make are strictly cosmetical or not
2017-05-25T01:56:46 < karlp> only real downside is things like vim+gdb have support for "make" being a command
2017-05-25T01:56:57 < karlp> and having a Makfile that just calls scons/scons -c seems pretty dubious.
2017-05-25T01:57:23 < karlp> I didn't think this generated file thing ws very obvious til it was finished, then it seemed clear.
2017-05-25T01:57:31 < zyp> I have define scons; shell scons; end in my global .gdbinit
2017-05-25T01:57:53 < karlp> one of these things where you can read a finished file and understand it,  but can't make you rown to save your life.
2017-05-25T01:58:10 < zyp> hehe
2017-05-25T01:58:32 < karlp> I'm tempted to use this now in my libopencm3-tests thing where I have currently a pile of different makefile.platform files
2017-05-25T01:58:40 < karlp> and it can just build them all at once for me.
2017-05-25T01:58:51 < ds2> why not just use a shell script ;)
2017-05-25T01:58:53 < zyp> well, it's more complex than make, but ends up doing more with less
2017-05-25T01:59:20 < karlp> one thing I can do with the makefiles easily is optional extra targets. I've not played with that at all yet.
2017-05-25T01:59:25 < karlp> so in make, default builds blah.elf
2017-05-25T01:59:37 < zyp> you can do that no problem
2017-05-25T01:59:39 < karlp> and "make blah.list" will do the right objdump, and build blah.elf first
2017-05-25T01:59:56 < karlp> yeah, just about the only thing missing form my current setup in make I think.
2017-05-25T01:59:58 < zyp> there's a command that lets you set which targets are default targets
2017-05-25T02:00:32 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/SConstruct?id=2fc77d27 <- ref. this
2017-05-25T02:00:44 < zyp> here's what I used before I made laks with it's fancy build rules
2017-05-25T02:01:11 < karlp> for fun, this is what the version shit used to look like: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/iIE99
2017-05-25T02:01:30 < zyp> haha
2017-05-25T02:01:33 < zyp> well, guess that works
2017-05-25T02:01:38 < zyp> but eh
2017-05-25T02:01:39 < karlp> it's not really any less lines
2017-05-25T02:01:55 < zyp> I know which I'd prefer to maintain :)
2017-05-25T02:02:01 < karlp> yeah, indeed.
2017-05-25T02:02:28 < zyp> so I figure you see why I've been going on about scons now? :)
2017-05-25T02:02:30 < karlp> cut is still awesome and I love it.
2017-05-25T02:02:37 < karlp> yeah, I always could
2017-05-25T02:02:48 < karlp> I'm still _very_ unsure about whether anyone else will be able to do anything with it.
2017-05-25T02:02:56 < karlp> but i'm not sure they could have made any useful changes to the makefiles before either.
2017-05-25T02:03:11 < karlp> and I've been decidedly unimpressed with scons's debug output when I've had errors in my deps
2017-05-25T02:03:32 < zyp> that's part of the reason I made the laks build rules
2017-05-25T02:03:43 < zyp> hide all the complexity, keep the end user SConstruct super simple
2017-05-25T02:03:51 < karlp> sure, but someone still had ot build that bit
2017-05-25T02:04:05 < zyp> yes
2017-05-25T02:04:09 < karlp> but maybe I'm jsut more used to the sort of errors make gives
2017-05-25T02:04:40 < zyp> yeah, that's probably also a factor
2017-05-25T02:04:42 < karlp> like that two environments specified... error is just, "fuck off, sort it out, I'm not going to tell you anything more about it"
2017-05-25T02:05:08 < zyp> by the way, which scons version are you running?
2017-05-25T02:05:24 < karlp> this here is 2.5.1
2017-05-25T02:05:31 < zyp> I glanced over the changelog earlier, apparently a recent version were improving the environment conflict messages
2017-05-25T02:05:31 < karlp> work was 2.somethign, don't remember
2017-05-25T02:05:38 < zyp> hmm, I think 2.5.1 is newest
2017-05-25T02:05:51 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-25T02:06:04 < karlp> hrm, you're right actually,
2017-05-25T02:06:09 < zyp> and the improvement were in 2.5.0
2017-05-25T02:06:11 < karlp> it is giving me better output if I break it deliebrately here.
2017-05-25T02:06:36 < karlp> let me show you: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/S69Ey
2017-05-25T02:06:42 < karlp> I'm not entirely sure it's any better though
2017-05-25T02:06:50 < karlp> I mean, those are the two I'm _trying_ to use.
2017-05-25T02:07:12 < karlp> but that's maybe me just not "understanding" their targets :)
2017-05-25T02:07:24 < karlp> still almost 2 days on this shit.
2017-05-25T02:07:33 < karlp> well, not just this, but more than I expected it to be.
2017-05-25T02:08:19 < karlp> that windows on git thing sounds like how clearcase used to work, only probably better performing
2017-05-25T02:08:52 < zyp> oh, haha, have you had the fortune of using clearcase? :D
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2017-05-25T02:11:57 < zyp> well, it's not fair of me to talk too badly about it, since I never really wrapped my head around it, but I do remember it was awfully slow
2017-05-25T02:12:08 < englishman> zyp: http://www.tallysman.com/index.php/gnss/products/antennas-l1l2-g1g2/tw3870e/
2017-05-25T02:12:17 < englishman> it says right in datasheet, connect to gndplane via screws
2017-05-25T02:13:08 < karlp> I used it a _long_ time ago, and after then moving on to svn and perforce, there were _real_ reasons I could see why people used clearcase. (even if p4/svn were better than cvs)
2017-05-25T02:13:31 < karlp> git does well for most people now I guess, not seeing any of clearcases reasons anymore
2017-05-25T02:13:50 < zyp> when I worked at STE they kept modem firmware in clearcase
2017-05-25T02:14:24 < zyp> I mostly worked on the drivers on the opposite side of the link, so I mostly just had to grab firmware builds off the CI server to test with
2017-05-25T02:15:05 < zyp> I did have to check out some code to look at it a couple of times though
2017-05-25T02:15:40 < zyp> not often enough that I really figured out neither clearcase nor the file structure of that source
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2017-05-25T02:18:35 < zyp> englishman, it doesn't strictly say that, and if they have signal ground through coax, it shouldn't be too bad mounting it with isolated screws
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2017-05-25T02:19:06 < englishman> what's the point of a ground plane tho if it's electrically isolated?
2017-05-25T02:19:19 < zyp> it's not isolated if it's grounded through the coax
2017-05-25T02:19:31 < englishman> the coax goes to a different board
2017-05-25T02:19:40 < englishman> they want a ground plane PCB with zero connections
2017-05-25T02:19:50 < zyp> wat
2017-05-25T02:19:56 < zyp> okay, that makes no sense
2017-05-25T02:19:59 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-25T02:20:02 < englishman> i know right!
2017-05-25T02:20:28 < zyp> the gain figures in the datasheet are given for a 100mm ground plane
2017-05-25T02:20:39 < crt> I love ground plane
2017-05-25T02:20:56 < zyp> a too small ground plane will make the antenna more sensitive to detuning, if I remember my RF theory right
2017-05-25T02:21:29 < crt> China make beautiful antennas and they don't even know it!
2017-05-25T02:23:36 < zyp> hmm, I need a new book to read again
2017-05-25T02:23:55 < zyp> I finished bobiverse book 2 yesterday, and third won't be out for another couple of months
2017-05-25T02:24:04 < zyp> crt, any recommendations?
2017-05-25T02:24:36 < crt> Sunstage lighting
2017-05-25T02:25:27 < crt> They'll make you a 700mA led driver which can heat a whole pub
2017-05-25T02:26:28 < crt> Powdered iron cores work so well at 150khz as apower inductor!
2017-05-25T02:27:22 < zyp> that doesn't sound like a very bood book
2017-05-25T02:27:24 < zyp> good*
2017-05-25T02:29:29 < crt> Oh I misread I thought you wanted a good Chinese antennA manufacturer
2017-05-25T02:33:57 < ds2> checked the resistor guys?
2017-05-25T02:33:59 < ds2> ;)
2017-05-25T02:39:29 < zyp> searching for a scifi book, I'm in the mood for a fairly new one
2017-05-25T02:39:32 < zyp> any suggestions?
2017-05-25T02:39:38 < crt> YeH
2017-05-25T02:39:59 < zyp> and preferably not something fucking weird
2017-05-25T02:40:09 < crt> The zano story - A biography by senpai
2017-05-25T02:40:15 < zyp> already read that
2017-05-25T02:40:20 < crt> Hahaha
2017-05-25T02:41:17 < crt> Well I'm off to buy a reel of PIC32s I'll never use, talk to you later
2017-05-25T02:41:24 < zyp> enjoy
2017-05-25T02:41:47 < zyp> I'm heading to bed as soon as I can decide on a book to buy
2017-05-25T02:45:43 < englishman> this one is written by an efnet chatter https://www.amazon.com/Xan-Ink-Zak-Zyz-ebook/dp/B01LXPNJTM
2017-05-25T02:47:04 < zyp> I'm not convinced that one is not fucking weird
2017-05-25T02:49:18 < zyp> https://www.amazon.com/Change-Agent-Novel-Daniel-Suarez-ebook/dp/B01J2SU2YO <- maybe this
2017-05-25T02:49:21 < zyp> I liked Daemon
2017-05-25T02:55:51 < karlp> zyp: read the expanse and tell me if I should read the books as well, or if the tv series is good enough?
2017-05-25T02:57:00 < zyp> I'm not familiar with neither tv series or books
2017-05-25T02:57:41 < zyp> but this might very well be right up my alley
2017-05-25T02:58:07 < ds2> crt: which PIC32?
2017-05-25T02:58:50 < crt> whichever is unsuitable for the application of course!
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2017-05-25T03:11:42 < branjb> englishman I read that book
2017-05-25T03:14:47 < englishman> wtf happened to keepout layer in 17.1
2017-05-25T03:16:04 < Laurenceb_> reeee
2017-05-25T03:16:14 < Laurenceb_> CIA Niggers lied, children died
2017-05-25T03:16:33 < Laurenceb_> suicide bomber was connected to Libyan "rebels"
2017-05-25T03:16:46  * Laurenceb_ full TempleOS mode
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2017-05-25T03:29:41 < dongs> englishman: sounds like a filthy assembly layer that some PCB cad insists on
2017-05-25T03:31:51 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-25T03:31:57 < englishman> 17.1 dicked it all up didnt it
2017-05-25T03:32:02 < dongs> a bit
2017-05-25T03:32:06 < dongs> some cunty changes
2017-05-25T03:32:10 < dongs> some that I still havent figured out
2017-05-25T03:32:16 < dongs> related to PCB cutouts and keepout layer
2017-05-25T03:32:17 < englishman> like how do you dxf -> outline + cutout now
2017-05-25T03:32:41 < dongs> well, you are SUPPOSED to be able to import it into any layer, then select, then primitives -> change to keepouts
2017-05-25T03:32:44 < dongs> but it doesnt fuckin work!
2017-05-25T03:33:21 < englishman> that works for outline but not for cutout
2017-05-25T03:33:37 < englishman> oh mine makes keepouts from board shape
2017-05-25T03:34:32 < dongs> gotta read those "new" docs
2017-05-25T03:34:48 < aandrew> dongs: STC or IRC15W415S mcu - can you see an english datasheet? stcmicro.com is over bandwidth (lel)
2017-05-25T03:34:54 < englishman> The mechanical layer used must be set as the Rout Tool layer, to do this open the Board Options dialog (right-click in the workspace and select Options » Board Options) and select the required Layer in the Rout Tool Path option.
2017-05-25T03:35:08 < dongs> to do cutouts?
2017-05-25T03:35:16 < dongs> but PCB house still needs the cutout outline on teh fucking GKO
2017-05-25T03:35:19 < dongs> how do you get it there?
2017-05-25T03:35:23 < englishman> you don't
2017-05-25T03:35:25 < englishman> gko is useless now
2017-05-25T03:36:06 < englishman> it's literally a keepout
2017-05-25T03:36:10 < englishman> only used for autorouting and planes
2017-05-25T03:37:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Y0fhduX.png < ive got a rectangular cutout in gko in my current innovation but I had to fucking re-trace it over
2017-05-25T03:40:28 < dongs> no idea what i';ll do when i have to do dxf cutout
2017-05-25T03:40:49 < dongs> a new era for documentation , you say
2017-05-25T03:40:54 < dongs> but there isn't even a FUCKING INDEX
2017-05-25T03:41:31 < dongs> oh, i have to MAXIMIZE MY BROWSER on a 4K SCREEN
2017-05-25T03:41:35 < dongs> what teh FUCK
2017-05-25T03:42:16 < dongs> uhhhh
2017-05-25T03:42:17 < dongs> It is not possible to update to Altium Designer 17.1 from Altium Designer 17.0.xx. You must perform a new clean installation. With both Altium Designer 17.0.xx and 17.1.xx installed side-by-side, you can use the version that best suits your needs - allowing you to continue designing with the former, while being able to access and test-drive the latest features of the latter.
2017-05-25T03:42:26 < dongs> 5 days ago when I updated
2017-05-25T03:42:31 < dongs> it said its not recommended, but would work
2017-05-25T03:43:37 < ds2> ewwwwwwwwwww altium
2017-05-25T03:43:54 < dongs> yeah because cuckcad is so much better
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2017-05-25T03:44:25 < dongs> does orcad make use of a modern GPU yet
2017-05-25T03:44:33 < dongs> or does it still draw using winapi from win3.1 days
2017-05-25T03:44:34 < englishman> yeah, retracing is bullshit
2017-05-25T03:45:12 < dongs> A new Use Left/Right Selection has been added to the System - General page of the Preferences dialog (DXP » Preferences) as shown in the following image. Use the setting to use right side (inside area) and left side (touching rectangle) selections in all editors. This option is enabled by default.
2017-05-25T03:45:18 < dongs> what does this even mean?
2017-05-25T03:46:03 < englishman> daddy don't use the touching rectangle
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2017-05-25T04:01:10 < crt> rolf harris
2017-05-25T04:04:57 < aandrew> I went from 16.whatever to latest 17
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2017-05-25T04:11:26 < crt> great job in there today brian, you really know your way around a court-house.
2017-05-25T04:13:16 < dongs> damn apparently place->keepout has been there for a while
2017-05-25T04:13:39 < dongs> but you could still just draw shit on gko
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2017-05-25T04:29:01 < dongs> uh what led has 5.65V VF
2017-05-25T04:29:55 < crt> o,O
2017-05-25T04:30:33 < crt> maybe i silicon diode would emit light at that level of forward voltage
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2017-05-25T05:44:32 < upgrdman> dongs, maybe 2 blue or white LEDs in series?
2017-05-25T05:44:43 < upgrdman> 2.8Vish per LED
2017-05-25T05:44:44 < crt> odd voltageh tho
2017-05-25T05:44:56 < crt> hmmm ye
2017-05-25T06:11:36 < dongs> how do i handsolder a 3225 xtal
2017-05-25T06:12:20 < englishman> heat gun
2017-05-25T06:12:33 < dongs> even if its an oscillator? i dont want to trash it
2017-05-25T06:12:37 < englishman> no prob
2017-05-25T06:13:01 < englishman> just dont go all kakimir on nit
2017-05-25T06:14:16 < englishman> wow ARROW mailed me a physical invoice
2017-05-25T06:14:21 < englishman> like in the snail mail
2017-05-25T06:14:42 < englishman> ATTN ACCTS PAYABLE DEPT.
2017-05-25T06:14:58 < dongs> did you already pay
2017-05-25T06:15:02 < englishman> yes
2017-05-25T06:15:02 < dongs> or did you get on their nifty net30 plan
2017-05-25T06:15:08 < dongs> oic so its just for jerking off
2017-05-25T06:15:10 < englishman> i refused
2017-05-25T06:18:51 < dongs> haha i got email in spam from internet archive
2017-05-25T06:19:05 < dongs> The FBI helpfully told us that they found a copy of the Archive's user database, dated prior to 2012, during one of their investigations. This database did not have much information that is not on the website, but it had lightly encrypted passwords of the users at the time.
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2017-05-25T07:54:15 < dongs> what the shit. stupid NXP QorIQ nas/etc SoC has *five* I2S ports
2017-05-25T07:54:19 < dongs> and only 2 I2C / 1 SPI
2017-05-25T07:54:26 < dongs> what teh shit do you ned I2S in a router/nas for
2017-05-25T07:54:29 < dongs> especially 5 of them?
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2017-05-25T08:10:50 < englishman> dongs, i see why you hate airsoft people so much https://i.imgur.com/ctT7oce.gifv
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2017-05-25T08:20:50 < Thorn> http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Airsoft-Turret/
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2017-05-25T08:51:47 < dongs> uhh, how do you make a pin NOT AF
2017-05-25T09:00:47 < Simon--> set gpio.GPIO_Mode to something other than GPIO_Mode_AF? and maybe clear the GPIOx->AF register bits with GPIO_PinAFConfig (though since the reset values appear to be listed as 0, probably not needed)
2017-05-25T09:00:50 < Simon--> (hi)
2017-05-25T09:03:47 < dongs> yeah I was hoping for a stdperiph thing that just does NotAF()
2017-05-25T09:03:56 < dongs> but looks like i ahve to re-init it with gpio_Init() or wahtever shit
2017-05-25T09:04:19 < dongs> for the first time i had to switch shit between spi output and gpio dynamically depending on mode
2017-05-25T09:05:20 < Simon--> yay stdperiph
2017-05-25T09:07:44 < dongs> raging at retarded dickstarters
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2017-05-25T09:14:13 < crt> fuck me sideways
2017-05-25T09:16:09 < crt> greetz
2017-05-25T09:16:31 < crt> yeah
2017-05-25T09:16:33 < crt> doa day\
2017-05-25T09:16:39 < crt> amp module lol
2017-05-25T09:16:53 < crt> i replaced the fuse knowing exactly what to expect
2017-05-25T09:16:57 < crt> and i wasn't disappointed
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2017-05-25T09:20:18 < crt> who stoned you
2017-05-25T09:20:20 < crt> 4:20
2017-05-25T09:20:22 < crt> in australia
2017-05-25T09:21:12 < crt> you wan qik fuk?
2017-05-25T09:21:16 < crt> yes r2
2017-05-25T09:21:25 < crt> 4:21 noq
2017-05-25T09:21:26 < crt> now
2017-05-25T09:22:31 < crt> FEMALE ANUSES
2017-05-25T09:22:37 < crt> splendid
2017-05-25T09:23:13 < crt> depends
2017-05-25T09:23:22 < crt> can be alright
2017-05-25T09:23:37 < crt> but if a girl is not into that stuff it's never bothered me
2017-05-25T09:24:58 < crt> spanish girl in my case
2017-05-25T09:25:03 < crt> what a fucking ass fiend though
2017-05-25T09:25:51 < crt> seems so
2017-05-25T09:26:01 < crt> she just wanted to be dominated
2017-05-25T09:26:05 < crt> fucking hammered her ass
2017-05-25T09:26:12 < crt> haha
2017-05-25T09:26:37 < crt> never knew that
2017-05-25T09:26:44 < crt> lol
2017-05-25T09:27:14 < crt> do you reckon donald trump's dick is shaped like a hook when rock solid?
2017-05-25T09:28:49 < crt> just thought you'd have some more intel on the matter so i asked
2017-05-25T09:29:55 < crt> what if his dick got mangled and he sewed her shut so nobody else could fuck her
2017-05-25T09:29:57 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/alexis_levinson/status/867522985086910464
2017-05-25T09:29:59 < crt> did you consider this?
2017-05-25T09:36:12 < crt> i want to learn about stm32
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2017-05-25T10:32:02 < dongs> i think im gonna do the same
2017-05-25T10:32:19 < zyp> I just got out of bed
2017-05-25T10:32:20 < zyp> sup?
2017-05-25T10:33:24 < dongs> https://audio-network.rypula.pl/ what the fucking fuck
2017-05-25T10:35:24 < zyp> hmm? it's just a soundmodem
2017-05-25T10:35:31 < dongs> yeah sure
2017-05-25T10:35:35 < dongs> but in JAVASCRIPT
2017-05-25T10:35:39 < dongs> and WHY
2017-05-25T10:35:41 < dongs> i donno
2017-05-25T10:35:52 < zyp> proof of concept, I guess
2017-05-25T10:35:52 < dongs> ive been looking at usb-pd code all day and i want a break
2017-05-25T10:37:08 < zyp> bed adhesion is so fucking useless on this 3d printer
2017-05-25T10:37:12 < zyp> well, the lack of
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2017-05-25T10:37:13 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/t7Szf.jpg
2017-05-25T10:38:06 < upgrdman> dont some ppl use krapton tape for that
2017-05-25T10:38:13 < Fleck> PEI
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2017-05-25T10:39:31 < zyp> people use all sorts of shit, PEI does seem to be the shit nowadays
2017-05-25T10:40:09 < zyp> I've got buildtak on this, which is apparently partly PEI
2017-05-25T10:40:28 < zyp> anyway, I think the problem is the lack of heating
2017-05-25T10:41:13 < zyp> I have a heated printbed that I'll be putting on the larger printer I'm building, but it won't fit this one
2017-05-25T10:41:27 < zyp> and I need to print parts for the larger one before I can build it
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2017-05-25T10:44:31 < dongs> 3D aids
2017-05-25T10:51:33 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/pndXm.jpg <- had this happen the other day too
2017-05-25T10:53:20 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/P1010091.JPG   my favourite 3d print fail
2017-05-25T10:53:53 < zyp> haha
2017-05-25T10:54:38 < zyp> the fuck is that? failed acetone smoothing?
2017-05-25T10:54:43 < jpa-> yeah
2017-05-25T10:55:24 < jpa-> i thought i'd keep the fumes in a jar.. which apparently caused some pressure that pushed the acetone into the print, and then when i opened the lid that happened :P
2017-05-25T10:55:45 < crt> Heh
2017-05-25T10:56:02 < zyp> I haven't tried printing with ABS yet
2017-05-25T10:56:15 < jpa-> i haven't tried printing with PLA yet
2017-05-25T10:56:38 < zyp> I'm printing PETG now, which is not supposed to have problems with warping
2017-05-25T10:56:52 < zyp> and given that it warps like crazy, I'm not inclined to try ABS any time soon
2017-05-25T10:56:55 < crt> I got 1 thing printed with a $15,000 uprint and it was shit
2017-05-25T10:59:08 < zyp> well, I printed with some old shitty PLA before I bought the roll of PETG, and that also warped like hell
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2017-05-25T10:59:42 < zyp> printed two halves of an enclosure, and it came out all rounded on the outside
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2017-05-25T11:04:46 < upgrdman> <jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/P1010091.JPG   my favourite 3d print fail
2017-05-25T11:04:50 < upgrdman> how'd that happen
2017-05-25T11:05:07 < upgrdman> o nm, just scrolled down
2017-05-25T11:16:05 < upgrdman> just saw these in the new stm spam  http://www.st.com/en/power-modules/sllimm-intelligent-power-modules.html?querycriteria=productId=SC1276
2017-05-25T11:16:16 < upgrdman> what are they for? pwm'ing mains ac?
2017-05-25T11:18:15 < crt> Does it work on keil
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2017-05-25T11:39:36 < sync> yes Ultrasauce
2017-05-25T11:39:42 < sync> pffft
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2017-05-25T11:50:37 < crt> Well well
2017-05-25T11:51:09 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/N9TkNply/IMG_0026.JPG
2017-05-25T12:00:41 < qyx> meh those pro work-codez
2017-05-25T12:00:53 < qyx> turning off rs485 TXEN using a nop delay
2017-05-25T12:01:10 < qyx> not enough time to look up the tx complete interrupt name
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2017-05-25T12:18:28 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/25/windows_is_now_built_on_git/ look more proof git sucks
2017-05-25T12:19:22 < crt> Lol
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2017-05-25T12:33:30 < Steffanx> better use Team Foundation Server
2017-05-25T12:34:08 < Steffanx> or a windows share with hourly backup
2017-05-25T12:38:13 < Steffanx> Im triggered. How do other systems deal with huge repositories like that? I want a comparison.
2017-05-25T12:38:39 < Steffanx> Sure git may suck, but when it sucks the least of all the others it might be useful.
2017-05-25T12:38:53 < dongs> they dont, opensores fucks cant write this much quality code
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2017-05-25T12:42:09 < Steffanx> TFS is closed sores right?
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2017-05-25T12:46:07 < Steffanx> Oh duh. Closed sores does not imply good quality, but open sores does imply bad quality code. I forgot about that,
2017-05-25T12:47:42 < c10ud^> lol
2017-05-25T12:47:46 < Fleck> you drunk Steffanx? :D
2017-05-25T12:48:24 < Steffanx> why Fleck?
2017-05-25T12:49:47 < Fleck> why Steffanx?
2017-05-25T12:50:29 < c10ud^> I find it funny that Windows source repo is 300GB, I hope that includes every little other small application included with the OS
2017-05-25T12:50:39 < dongs> of course it does?
2017-05-25T12:50:40 < Steffanx> Im not sure why you ask Fleck.
2017-05-25T12:50:48 < dongs> Steffanx: he has me on "ignore" supposedly
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2017-05-25T12:50:57 < c10ud^> but that is somehow expected considering it is able to slow down my i7 with no problem
2017-05-25T12:52:55 < Steffanx> that might be it dongs.
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2017-05-25T12:55:02 < crt> Lol
2017-05-25T12:55:31 < dongs> he is also a giant faggot, but that part should be obvious
2017-05-25T12:57:12 < jpa-> i wonder why they want to keep it all in one repo
2017-05-25T12:58:25 < c10ud^> I once used git submodules: they're terrible
2017-05-25T12:58:42 < c10ud^> but, yes, keeping everything in one single repo looks terrible as well
2017-05-25T12:59:03 < dongs> <jpa-> i wonder why they want to keep it all in one repo < you mean, you don't awnt to rebuild winword.exe each time you recompile ntoskrnl.exe?
2017-05-25T12:59:30 < c10ud^> also how to they handle the pakis working on wordpad getting access to ntdll?
2017-05-25T12:59:47 < c10ud^> I don't think git has some sort of ACLs?
2017-05-25T12:59:55 < dongs> i remember when wordpad became ribboned :(
2017-05-25T12:59:57 < dongs> and mspaint
2017-05-25T12:59:58 < dongs> fuck
2017-05-25T13:00:07 < Steffanx> paint 3d <3
2017-05-25T13:00:17 < dongs> more like paint 3DICKS
2017-05-25T13:01:10 < jpa-> c10ud^: well commit access is easy to limit, but read access not
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2017-05-25T13:30:27 < qyx> ehy does everyone think submodules are terrible?
2017-05-25T13:40:13 < jpa-> because it breaks the usual chain of "check stuff out, it's there" and tends to end up in weird states that differ from what the guy who wrote the code expects
2017-05-25T13:47:37 < crt> Long live wordpad
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2017-05-25T13:51:40 < Steffanx> How can it be different jpa-? You checkout a specific rev. of the submodule right? How can it be different from the one that checked it it?
2017-05-25T13:51:44 < qyx> jpa-: I don't get it,
2017-05-25T13:52:17 < qyx> what Steffanx said, if you do not manually force update of the submodule, it doesn't change in any weird way
2017-05-25T13:53:12 < jpa-> but who remembers to check the versions of the submodules or whether they've been updated?
2017-05-25T13:54:06 < qyx> you don't have to
2017-05-25T13:54:14 < qyx> thats a feature that submodules are referenced by their commit hash
2017-05-25T13:54:18 < qyx> and not branch, tag or whatever
2017-05-25T13:54:49 < qyx> if the main repo specifies a particular submodule commit, it stays there until it is changed in the main repo
2017-05-25T13:55:54 < qyx> or I am completely offtopic
2017-05-25T13:56:11 < jpa-> hmm, maybe i'm then confusing with the other git subthingy.. i remember cloning a repo and wondering about crazy errors because i hadn't remembered to do some submodule thing
2017-05-25T13:56:27 < jpa-> and half the files were missing
2017-05-25T13:56:35 < qyx> yes, submodule init, submodule update
2017-05-25T13:56:50 < qyx> but thats not something they should be hated for
2017-05-25T13:58:23 < jpa-> it's already a bunch of wasted time every time someone forgets to do that
2017-05-25T13:59:35 < BrainDamage> why can't it be done automatically on clone
2017-05-25T14:00:07 < jpa-> i do kind of like the idea of git submodules and i'm sure it is no trouble for people who are used to it
2017-05-25T14:01:19 < jpa-> but it trips people way too often, so i wouldn't dare to use it in a repo that i know is used by a lot of newbies, or otherwise i'd have to have a lot of checks and better error messages for missing files etc.
2017-05-25T14:02:07 < qyx> because you are cloning a project, not its libraries
2017-05-25T14:02:18 < qyx> I don't see a reason for cloning all project dependencies
2017-05-25T14:02:39 < jpa-> you generally need them to make use of it; there could be a switch to disable it of course
2017-05-25T14:02:55 < jpa-> but git also clones all of the history, even though most users couldn't see a reason to have it all :P
2017-05-25T14:03:12 < qyx> sometimes people do that in makefiles
2017-05-25T14:03:41 < qyx> meh, it seems logical to me in the way it is
2017-05-25T14:03:49 < Steffanx> Just configure your git with some alias or hook to automatically pull submodules ? :)
2017-05-25T14:04:01 < Steffanx> Then the problem is gone, for you.
2017-05-25T14:04:10 < BrainDamage> the point is that that only fixes it for you
2017-05-25T14:04:17 < Steffanx> Yes, i know. but.
2017-05-25T14:04:18 < jpa-> yeah, that's exactly what sucks about submodules; it works for me, but it doesn't work for random dude
2017-05-25T14:04:30 < jpa-> then it's me who has to debug and waste time figuring out that he didn't know about submodules
2017-05-25T14:04:38 < Steffanx> But then you add it to the readme and when people fail to read that they suck anyway.
2017-05-25T14:05:03 < jpa-> haha, the luxury if you can turn away everyone who doesn't read the readme
2017-05-25T14:05:26 < qyx> thats the same as using more than one branch (master)
2017-05-25T14:05:49 < jpa-> yeah, but atleast with branches it is easy enough to keep master as the "most relevant for outsiders" branch
2017-05-25T14:06:10 < jpa-> but yeah, automatic submodule checkout in makefile should fix most of the issues
2017-05-25T14:06:24 < qyx> the other way of resolving this is like openocd
2017-05-25T14:06:27 < qyx> no dependencies
2017-05-25T14:06:30 < qyx> no check for them
2017-05-25T14:06:40 < qyx> it just prints they are disabled and compiles without them
2017-05-25T14:07:01 < jpa-> hmm, doesn't openocd always need the jimtcl submodule?
2017-05-25T14:07:20 < qyx> and then you have to find out which version of libusb it needs to compile stlink support
2017-05-25T14:08:06 < qyx> usually I am able to guess the right one on the second or third time
2017-05-25T14:09:46 < qyx> nah, back to pro codes
2017-05-25T14:09:58 < Steffanx> is it closed sores?
2017-05-25T14:10:02 < qyx> fully
2017-05-25T14:12:42 < qyx> on a related topic
2017-05-25T14:12:48 < qyx> I am playing with http://i.imgur.com/9rwuhLC.jpg
2017-05-25T14:13:04 < qyx> just waiting for the rest of the parts
2017-05-25T14:13:29 < qyx> thats not that closed
2017-05-25T14:33:54 < zyp> jpa-, you only need to do submodule init once, then it'll fetch correct revisions everytime you do a checkout of the parent repo
2017-05-25T14:34:37 < zyp> but eh, I guess it's a learning point
2017-05-25T14:34:48 < zyp> «I hate submodules because I don't wanna learn how they work»
2017-05-25T14:39:47 < Steffanx> Nah, when you are unaware there are submodules and dont do the submodule init/pull it can be a bit annoying.
2017-05-25T14:45:12 < crt> HAHAHAHA
2017-05-25T14:45:30 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EzfgoyA4/IMG_0225.PNG
2017-05-25T14:46:12 < zyp> Steffanx, I've seen people have explicit checks in their build scripts to remind people to initialize submodules properly
2017-05-25T14:47:47 < c10ud^> "yo dawg I herd you like revisions, so I put a revision in your revisions.."
2017-05-25T14:48:50 < qyx> heh
2017-05-25T14:50:06 < c10ud^> qyx, what are you using as GSM ic?
2017-05-25T14:52:53 < dongs> wtf
2017-05-25T14:52:57 < dongs> are there 4tb 2.5" hdds?
2017-05-25T14:54:28 < Steffanx> Also 5TB
2017-05-25T14:54:51 < dongs> what the hell. im way out of the loop.
2017-05-25T14:55:03 < Steffanx> but seagate is something you dont want
2017-05-25T14:55:31 < dongs> i dont care about the data on it
2017-05-25T14:55:31 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LQQH86A/
2017-05-25T14:55:45 < dongs> my toshiba tv has some timeshift/timemachine stuff where it records all tv 24/7
2017-05-25T14:55:54 < dongs> apparently i can just use any random usb3 hdd (pair of them)
2017-05-25T14:56:03 < crt> going through the shattered archive here
2017-05-25T14:56:16 < dongs> i tried with a couple ghetto 320gb drives and it worked, so I'll pickup a couple 4tb? i guess 2.5's and tape them together
2017-05-25T14:56:23 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rIPdBan0/IMG_0384.PNG
2017-05-25T14:56:30 < dongs> price d ifference between 2TB and 4TB is like $20 heh
2017-05-25T14:56:34 < crt> h,,,
2017-05-25T14:57:58 < crt> one for Fleck
2017-05-25T14:58:35 < Steffanx> Who's Fleck?
2017-05-25T14:58:45 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hwe7aHMD/IMG_0402.JPG
2017-05-25T14:59:09 < Fleck> "D
2017-05-25T14:59:17 < Steffanx> Its always nice how some external HDD stuff is cheaper than the cheapest bare disk you can get of the same size.
2017-05-25T14:59:18 < Fleck> labgruppen...
2017-05-25T15:01:06 < c10ud^> Steffanx, I once bought an external disk to do exactly this only to find out its controller was USB-only
2017-05-25T15:01:09 < dongs>  June 8-15  $8.37 - AmazonGlobal Standard Shipping
2017-05-25T15:01:10 < dongs>  June 14-15 $15.07 - AmazonGlobal Expedited Shipping
2017-05-25T15:01:13 < dongs> wow, which one will i choose???
2017-05-25T15:01:39 < Steffanx> Pick the most accurate one.
2017-05-25T15:06:51 < crt> hm
2017-05-25T15:07:04 < crt> bogus
2017-05-25T15:08:45 < crt> one for steffan
2017-05-25T15:08:57 < Steffanx> i dont know who that is.
2017-05-25T15:09:03 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QlLQR8Rh/IMG_0646.JPG
2017-05-25T15:13:58 < dongs> is that a PS2
2017-05-25T15:14:02 < dongs> or PS1 or wat
2017-05-25T15:14:38 < Steffanx> DJ CD scratcher
2017-05-25T15:15:57 < crt> ps1
2017-05-25T15:16:04 < crt> the miniature version
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2017-05-25T15:20:03 < crt> lol
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2017-05-25T15:40:57 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HJiPyEM4/lololololol.jpg
2017-05-25T15:47:57 < englishman> zyp, what material is that
2017-05-25T15:48:23 < englishman> i understand most materials require a heated bed
2017-05-25T15:48:31 < englishman> the exception being pla
2017-05-25T15:49:46 < englishman> oops crt, who is paying for that
2017-05-25T15:49:57 < crt> ages ago
2017-05-25T15:50:08 < crt> one of those pieces of lighting garbage
2017-05-25T15:50:55 < crt> most of that was the garbage USB chip courtesy of these cunts http://wch-ic.com/
2017-05-25T15:50:55 < qyx> Steffanx: why you no seagate
2017-05-25T15:51:10 < zyp> englishman, PETG
2017-05-25T15:51:32 < qyx> c10ud^: quectel m66
2017-05-25T15:52:52 < englishman> buildtak is supposed to be good, just more expensive than pei
2017-05-25T15:53:23 < zyp> I'm having both pla and petg warping on it
2017-05-25T15:54:02 < englishman> if pla is warping, then damn
2017-05-25T15:54:29 < zyp> well, that's six years old shitty pla, so it doesn't have to be representative
2017-05-25T15:57:43 < sync> put it in your oven for a few h
2017-05-25T15:57:46 < sync> to drive the water out
2017-05-25T15:57:55 < zyp> yeah, I've thought about doing that
2017-05-25T15:58:16 < englishman> some materials need to be absolutely dry, i dono about PLA
2017-05-25T15:58:18 < zyp> but I don't really use it now, after I bought a spool of petg
2017-05-25T15:58:32 < englishman> some go as far as making a dry chamber with heat + desiccant that the material is stored in and feeds out of
2017-05-25T15:58:52 < zyp> I printed a spool holder
2017-05-25T15:59:18 < zyp> or rather, I got one of my friends to print most of it, since I currently have a large enough build volume for that
2017-05-25T15:59:22 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/aMDbF.jpg
2017-05-25T15:59:25 < englishman> yes the hello world of 3d printing
2017-05-25T15:59:44 < englishman> nice
2017-05-25T16:00:06 < zyp> I'm planning to eventually have multiple extruders so I can print support in PVA, which absolutely needs to be kept dry
2017-05-25T16:00:11 < zyp> since it's water soluble
2017-05-25T16:00:23 < sync> nice porn storage on the top of the shelf
2017-05-25T16:00:35 < zyp> ya, there's 16x3TB in there
2017-05-25T16:03:44 < qyx> ikea rack
2017-05-25T16:04:22 < zyp> yeah, it fits exactly
2017-05-25T16:04:23 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/1Ubni.jpg
2017-05-25T16:04:47 < qyx> whats the wall made of?
2017-05-25T16:05:01 < englishman> damn they make a corner piece for that system
2017-05-25T16:05:10 < zyp> yup
2017-05-25T16:05:26 < sync> they used to at least
2017-05-25T16:05:26 < englishman> there is an ikea coming to town
2017-05-25T16:05:41 < sync> ivar 4 lyfe
2017-05-25T16:06:02 < zyp> qyx, shitty wood fiber panels I believe
2017-05-25T16:06:07 < zyp> why?
2017-05-25T16:06:08 < englishman> its building is going to cost 2x what the huge stadium cost, and have the largest interior space in the province (and, we have bombardier)
2017-05-25T16:06:28 < zyp> haha
2017-05-25T16:06:36 < qyx> zyp: never seen those, such things are not used here
2017-05-25T16:07:02 < zyp> yeah, idk why they used it, there's plasterboard behind it and all other rooms only have plasterboard
2017-05-25T16:07:15 < zyp> guess they wanted the extra texture for decoration
2017-05-25T16:08:12 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/RfYK8.jpg <- reason I know is because I drilled a hole through it
2017-05-25T16:08:16 < crt> nice one
2017-05-25T16:08:37 < crt> i didn't know you had a glory hole
2017-05-25T16:09:03 < zyp> don't think it'd work very well as one
2017-05-25T16:09:04 < fest> doesn't look convenient
2017-05-25T16:09:17 < zyp> pretty sure my dick is too short to reach through the wall
2017-05-25T16:10:10 < englishman> only one way to find out
2017-05-25T16:13:27 < englishman> Bitcoin (BTC)  $2729.71
2017-05-25T16:13:29 < englishman> Ethereum (ETH)  $208.84
2017-05-25T16:13:43 < sync> wow
2017-05-25T16:18:29 < zyp> wish I still had the ones I bought six years ago
2017-05-25T16:18:53 < zyp> put some toy money, like $150 into BTC when they were $8 or so
2017-05-25T16:19:20 < zyp> that'd be a nice $50k today
2017-05-25T16:23:38 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/uATFe6M_BNE?t=48s
2017-05-25T16:28:12 < crt> Hi englishman
2017-05-25T16:28:18 < englishman> hi
2017-05-25T16:28:37 < crt> Wassup man?
2017-05-25T16:28:47 < englishman> lol silly kittys
2017-05-25T16:29:00 < englishman> about to go feed the chickens
2017-05-25T16:29:57 < crt> Yah kitties
2017-05-25T16:30:05 < crt> Get a duck for sure though
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2017-05-25T16:38:37 < crt> Hi lb
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2017-05-25T17:29:52 < Steffanx> oh, ive just never been to happy with em qyx
2017-05-25T17:30:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vE2AnwJ2Qs
2017-05-25T17:30:45 < qyx> Programmable via Manchester encoding on the VCC line, reducing external wiring
2017-05-25T17:30:48 < qyx> fully retarded
2017-05-25T17:33:30 < qyx> even more considering the SPI port is available anyway
2017-05-25T17:46:34 < sync> that sounds like a highly autistic programming setup
2017-05-25T17:49:37 < jadew`> any ideas on how to identify smd components?
2017-05-25T17:49:50 < jadew`> (that you can't find anywhere)
2017-05-25T17:55:00 < tpw_rules> qyx: wait what are these
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2017-05-25T18:00:50 < qyx> allegro a1335
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2017-05-25T18:16:42 < jadew`> any chance a p channel mosfet can fail in such a way that it will look like 2 diodes with the common anode on the drain?
2017-05-25T18:17:21 < jadew`> basically, creating a diode between drain and gate
2017-05-25T18:20:08 < BrainDamage> yes, the dielectric has to blow up and the metal fuse to the bulk
2017-05-25T18:20:10 < BrainDamage> it's pretty rare
2017-05-25T18:21:07 < jadew`> doesn't have any sign of damage
2017-05-25T18:21:21 < sync> doesn't have to
2017-05-25T18:21:43 < sync> but yeah that is a very rare failure mode
2017-05-25T18:22:37 < BrainDamage> jadew`: https://i.imgur.com/pn7Nd4U.png
2017-05-25T18:24:31 < jadew`> I'll replace it with another one and see if that fixes the issue
2017-05-25T18:24:36 < aandrew> huh, apparently 8051 isp protocol has no readback
2017-05-25T18:24:42 < jadew`> the problem is that the issue is fixed with the component removed too
2017-05-25T18:24:43 < aandrew> so I can't dump the STC15 code
2017-05-25T18:24:48 < jadew`> so... that's kinda hard to diagnose
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2017-05-25T18:25:01 < sync> I would be proud of such a failure :D
2017-05-25T18:25:33 < jadew`> the power button board of a hp laptop
2017-05-25T18:26:11 < jadew`> I don't know why a damn power button needs dedicated circuitry
2017-05-25T18:26:26 < BrainDamage> monostable for hw reset/poweroff
2017-05-25T18:26:56 < jadew`> so you think some functions might not work with it removed?
2017-05-25T18:27:46 < BrainDamage> yes, the sw poweroff will work, but say the kernel hangs, you won't be able to power it off without removing the battery
2017-05-25T18:28:23 < jadew`> interesting
2017-05-25T18:28:39 < BrainDamage> it's a last ditch safeguard
2017-05-25T18:28:50 < jadew`> well, I'll remove replace it and then see if I can shut it down forcefully
2017-05-25T18:29:04 < jadew`> -replace
2017-05-25T18:29:05 < englishman> is digikey down again
2017-05-25T18:29:06 < englishman> fuckers
2017-05-25T18:29:06 < jadew`> -remove
2017-05-25T18:29:07 < jadew`> sorry
2017-05-25T18:29:53 < BrainDamage> englishman: page loads for me
2017-05-25T18:29:58 < englishman> frontpage yeah
2017-05-25T18:30:00 < englishman> searchf or something
2017-05-25T18:30:11 < Steffanx> hah, i was going to say the same until i did a search :P
2017-05-25T18:30:11 < BrainDamage> yeah queries blow up
2017-05-25T18:30:31 < englishman> Steffanx: news this morning, a moose ate all the imported dutch toolips
2017-05-25T18:30:33 < englishman> sorry eh
2017-05-25T18:30:38 < Steffanx> Better arrow
2017-05-25T18:30:52 < Steffanx> Cant you grow your own tulips?
2017-05-25T18:30:52 < englishman> no i need these parts tomorrow, not in a series of shipments over the next week
2017-05-25T18:31:14 < BrainDamage> they probably die within a month
2017-05-25T18:31:26 < Steffanx> in a glass house thing.
2017-05-25T18:31:52 < BrainDamage> 3 months then
2017-05-25T18:33:13 < englishman> haha i called
2017-05-25T18:33:19 < englishman> "hmm no everything is work.,....... oh"
2017-05-25T18:34:39 < Steffanx> haha
2017-05-25T18:40:25 < Steffanx> Will you eat the moose now? Maybe moose that ate tullips taste very wel, englishman.
2017-05-25T18:40:51 < englishman> come fix my hot tub steffan
2017-05-25T18:41:01 < englishman> bring tulips and wafel
2017-05-25T18:41:32 < BrainDamage> sounds like a porno plot
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2017-05-25T18:44:30 < englishman> Laurenceb_'s dream http://i.imgur.com/RbYKrMj.jpg
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2017-05-25T18:46:03 < BrainDamage> an hospitalized girl so there's very little chance she's capable to run?
2017-05-25T18:46:43 < tpw_rules> http://creoflick.net/images/photoblog-photography-51.jpg
2017-05-25T19:10:43 < Rob235> I'm never going to australia
2017-05-25T19:11:03 < Rob235> damn accent of this mooc instructor is driving me crazy
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2017-05-25T19:32:04 < Steffanx> im going to visit crt.
2017-05-25T19:32:11 < Steffanx> at least,  should
2017-05-25T19:32:34 < zyp> when are you visiting me?
2017-05-25T19:33:09 < Steffanx> uhm
2017-05-25T19:34:16 < Steffanx> when Pentecost and Easter is on the same day?
2017-05-25T19:34:48 < englishman> isn't there supposed to be a big gay jpa sauna party?
2017-05-25T19:34:53 < Steffanx> that too
2017-05-25T19:35:15 < englishman> jpa's big gay spa day
2017-05-25T19:35:22 < zyp> idk, I'm visiting jpa in a bit over a month, didn't hear anything about the gay part
2017-05-25T19:35:45 < Steffanx> would you still go?
2017-05-25T19:35:53 < englishman> def
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2017-05-25T19:36:45 < zyp> sure, I'm open minded, if you guys wanna fuck each other just go right ahead
2017-05-25T19:37:10 < Steffanx> ill pass then
2017-05-25T19:37:17 < englishman> why did your mind immediately go to guys fucking at the first mention of gay
2017-05-25T19:37:52 < zyp> isn't that the current meaning of gay?
2017-05-25T19:38:05 < zyp> I mean, we're well past that time where gay used to just mean happy
2017-05-25T19:38:12 < englishman> 2. lighthearted and carefree.
2017-05-25T19:38:32 < englishman> the only way to live imo
2017-05-25T19:38:35 < zyp> it's always fun reading old books using that word
2017-05-25T19:38:36 < englishman> is the gay way
2017-05-25T19:39:29 < zyp> IIRC in the great gatsby book, daisy were described as «happy and gay»
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2017-05-25T19:45:28 < Laurenceb_> https://pics.me.me/paul-joseph-watson-following-prison-planet-about-to-check-out-7919611.png
2017-05-25T19:45:59 < Steffanx> who ever those people are.
2017-05-25T19:46:23 < Laurenceb_> Alex Jones website devs
2017-05-25T19:46:31 < Steffanx> who is alex jones
2017-05-25T19:47:00 < Steffanx> i already regret asking
2017-05-25T19:47:45 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb_: wait what
2017-05-25T19:48:05 < tpw_rules> i don't understand?
2017-05-25T19:48:36 < englishman> btw zyp, client confirmed ground plane does not require connection to ground...
2017-05-25T19:48:38 < englishman> strange.
2017-05-25T19:49:04 < Steffanx> are yoou doing the pcb englishman?
2017-05-25T19:49:10 < englishman> "doing"
2017-05-25T19:49:19 < englishman> its literally routed copper with soldermask
2017-05-25T19:49:27 < englishman> fab isnt even doing etching
2017-05-25T19:50:11 < zyp> englishman, client probably doesn't have a clue what they're doing
2017-05-25T19:50:19 < englishman> true
2017-05-25T19:50:20 < zyp> either that or they are RF experts and we are the idiots
2017-05-25T19:50:23 < englishman> but i did my diligence
2017-05-25T19:50:27 < zyp> and I'm inclined to believe the former
2017-05-25T19:50:56 < Laurenceb_> tpw_rules: Alex Jones staff are homo
2017-05-25T19:51:04 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb_: really
2017-05-25T19:51:13 < Laurenceb_> yes,so is he
2017-05-25T19:51:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWieh7YIgY
2017-05-25T19:51:59 < tpw_rules> why did i click on that
2017-05-25T19:52:49 < Steffanx> tpw_rules rules. Make your new no 1 rule: dont click on links Laurenceb_ posts.
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2017-05-25T23:20:37 < upgrdman> dongs, re: using group policy in win10: https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3010547/microsoft-says-its-best-not-to-fiddle-with-windows-10-enterprise-group-policies
2017-05-25T23:22:05 < sync> upgrdman: re the st IPMs, yeah they are made for switching mains
2017-05-25T23:22:12 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-25T23:22:24 < sync> the stmbl uses an ior one for the highside
2017-05-25T23:22:30 < sync> but we're going discrete for the next rev
2017-05-25T23:22:37 < sync> as they have quite a short lifecyle
2017-05-25T23:22:39 < sync> +c
2017-05-25T23:22:53 < upgrdman> burns up?
2017-05-25T23:26:23 < sync> no
2017-05-25T23:26:42 < sync> they are outdated very often
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2017-05-25T23:44:28 < Rob235> plop
2017-05-25T23:57:05 < karlp> zyp: to clarify, I'm watching the tv series the expanse, and it's great, I'ðm curious whether I should bother reading the books too :)
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2017-05-26T00:07:00 < Steffanx> I started with it, but had a hard time getting through the first few episodes
2017-05-26T00:09:53 < Rob235> whats it about
2017-05-26T00:09:57 < Rob235> I need a new show to watch
2017-05-26T00:10:16 < Steffanx> Google it :P
2017-05-26T00:11:09 < Rob235> psh
2017-05-26T00:11:10 < Rob235> :)
2017-05-26T00:11:27 < Rob235> ahh sci fi ish
2017-05-26T00:11:40 < Rob235> not really my genre but maybe I should try
2017-05-26T00:11:51 < Steffanx> scifi is great.
2017-05-26T00:11:52 < Steffanx> best.
2017-05-26T00:11:58 < Rob235> nerd :)
2017-05-26T00:12:04 < Rob235> whats the best sci fi show?
2017-05-26T00:12:20 < Rob235> dont say star trek
2017-05-26T00:12:53 < Rob235> I watched firefly, that was good, all one season of it
2017-05-26T00:13:07 < zyp> karlp, that's how I understood you yesterday
2017-05-26T00:13:15 < zyp> looks interesting, maybe I should watch it myself
2017-05-26T00:13:37 < zyp> I ended up buying walkaway last night
2017-05-26T00:13:55 < zyp> started reading but then I fell asleep before I really got into it
2017-05-26T00:13:59 < Rob235> how do you pronounce meta as in metascore, met-ah or mate-ah
2017-05-26T00:14:24 < Steffanx> oh i dont know Rob235. I liked fringe much ( some say it's x-files clone though)
2017-05-26T00:14:31 < Rob235> oh i loved fringe
2017-05-26T00:14:37 < Rob235> just finished rewatching the series last month
2017-05-26T00:14:48 < Steffanx> the end was a bit weak though, but..
2017-05-26T00:14:55 < zyp> Rob235, I say meta, but that's how I would pronounce it in norwegian too, so I don't know if it's correct
2017-05-26T00:14:57 < Rob235> not terrible though
2017-05-26T00:15:05 < Steffanx> imho it was kinda.
2017-05-26T00:15:11 < Rob235> meh
2017-05-26T00:15:15 < Rob235> ta
2017-05-26T00:16:16 < Steffanx> i say mate-ah, but mainly because it's also a name in dutch.
2017-05-26T00:16:25 < Steffanx> which is pronounced kinda like that.
2017-05-26T00:16:38 < Rob235> so you say date-uh for data as well?
2017-05-26T00:16:57 < Steffanx> date-ar :P
2017-05-26T00:17:06 < Rob235> ?
2017-05-26T00:17:55 < Steffanx> day-tar. or whatever some yankees say.
2017-05-26T00:18:03 < Rob235> never heard that
2017-05-26T00:18:42 < Rob235> I think I go back and forth on meta and data because I havent decided which I like better
2017-05-26T00:18:54 < Steffanx> i would say it's "day-ta" with the a as in car.
2017-05-26T00:19:34 < Steffanx> but im not english, so...
2017-05-26T00:20:52 < Steffanx> for proper english you need Ultrasauce.
2017-05-26T00:21:59 < Rob235> damn, vpn ran out, I need my refund check from school!
2017-05-26T00:22:05 < karlp> Steffanx: harsh denial of ever visiting zyp!
2017-05-26T00:22:47 < zyp> it's ok, I know Steffanx' address so I'll just pop over there some day
2017-05-26T00:23:00 < Rob235> where does Steffanx live
2017-05-26T00:23:02 < Rob235> I forget
2017-05-26T00:23:05 < karlp> Steffanx: yeah, the first couple of episods were pretty heavy going, but I'm very happy now that I'm further into it.
2017-05-26T00:23:19 < Steffanx> hah, karlp. Im extremely busy on that day, so i wouldnt be able to visit anyway.
2017-05-26T00:23:43 < Steffanx> stroopwafelland Rob235
2017-05-26T00:23:45 < karlp> hah
2017-05-26T00:24:04 < karlp> what sort of plans does one make for pentecost and easter being on the same day?
2017-05-26T00:24:09 < Steffanx> woodenshoes.. tulips, windmills, weed..
2017-05-26T00:24:55 < Steffanx> does that help Rob235?
2017-05-26T00:25:16 < Steffanx> karlp, things one should do, but dont really want to do.
2017-05-26T00:25:18 < Rob235> netherlands?
2017-05-26T00:25:28 < Steffanx> affirmative.
2017-05-26T00:25:34 < Rob235> cool
2017-05-26T00:25:38 < Rob235> what part?
2017-05-26T00:25:42 < Steffanx> nothern.
2017-05-26T00:25:47 < kakimir> pumps
2017-05-26T00:25:56 < Steffanx> Hi sexual.
2017-05-26T00:25:57 < Rob235> amsterdam? I didnt realize that was the capital
2017-05-26T00:26:08 < sync> ah, where the autobahn has cue little dimples under the channels
2017-05-26T00:26:11 < sync> +t
2017-05-26T00:26:53 < Rob235> you learn something new everyday
2017-05-26T00:27:15 < Steffanx> no, in my region one goes over the channels sync.
2017-05-26T00:27:31 < sync> huh, really
2017-05-26T00:28:05 < sync> I remember the dimples when I drove over the ijsselmeer
2017-05-26T00:28:49 < Steffanx> Im a 21 minutes drive, by car, away from germany.
2017-05-26T00:28:49 < Rob235> whats the best way to learn the differences between Java and C++? they seem extremely similar
2017-05-26T00:29:23 < sync> ah, so you are on the eastern end
2017-05-26T00:29:27 < Steffanx> C++ and Java similar? C# and Java ok, but .. C++?
2017-05-26T00:29:49  * karlp seconds Steffanx 
2017-05-26T00:30:32 < Rob235> I meant in syntax
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2017-05-26T00:30:37 < Rob235> but what about under the hood
2017-05-26T00:30:54 < crt> Duck duck
2017-05-26T00:30:57 < Rob235> I know java has garbage collection, thats about it
2017-05-26T00:31:14 < Steffanx> jvm vs .. no vm
2017-05-26T00:31:21 < Rob235> well duh
2017-05-26T00:31:28 < Rob235> i'll just look it up myself :P
2017-05-26T00:32:14 < Rob235> does C# use a vm?
2017-05-26T00:32:19 < Rob235> no right?
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2017-05-26T00:32:46 < Emilgardis> It has runtime I believe, but not sure about gc
2017-05-26T00:33:02 < Emilgardis> * gc is in runtime but still
2017-05-26T00:34:14 < Rob235> hmm a week and a half until classes start.  maybe I should put java on hold and get a head start
2017-05-26T00:34:31 < Rob235> fuck it, i'll do both
2017-05-26T00:35:24 < Steffanx> It's compiled to some IL when you compile C#, and the IL compiled just-in-time.
2017-05-26T00:35:46 < Steffanx> *and the IL is compiled just-in-time
2017-05-26T00:36:31 < Rob235> oh really? what is IL? internal language, intermittent, something?
2017-05-26T00:36:39 < jadew`> interpreted language
2017-05-26T00:36:41 < Rob235> ahh
2017-05-26T00:36:52 < Steffanx> intermediate language.
2017-05-26T00:36:55 < crt> Incest license
2017-05-26T00:36:56 < jadew`> oh
2017-05-26T00:37:00 < jadew`> it may be that
2017-05-26T00:37:09 < zyp> what Steffanx said
2017-05-26T00:37:44 < Steffanx> When you are bored you should decompile a random C# app. When not obfuscated etc. you can get pretty close to the original code.
2017-05-26T00:38:02 < crt> Ty
2017-05-26T00:38:29 < zyp> one of my pals tried making and selling an app, with a license key system and shit
2017-05-26T00:38:29 < jadew`> haven't messed with c# il, but I did with java IL
2017-05-26T00:38:34 < jadew`> and that looks more like ASM
2017-05-26T00:38:46 < zyp> so one of my other pals had great fun decompiling it and making keygens
2017-05-26T00:38:59 < jadew`> I had to learn it one weekend so I could add a feature to my contacts app on an android phone
2017-05-26T00:39:02 < Rob235> whats a good program that would show understanding of many various language parts? I was thinking a bittorrent client.  GUI, network, encryption, file reading/writijng, etc
2017-05-26T00:39:30 < Steffanx> irc client :P
2017-05-26T00:39:37 < Rob235> heh
2017-05-26T00:39:45 < crt> Lol stffn
2017-05-26T00:39:52 < jadew`> you want to build something?
2017-05-26T00:40:10 < Rob235> I don't want to appear like I'm coming from the stone age :P
2017-05-26T00:40:14 < crt> I do
2017-05-26T00:40:15 < Rob235> me? yes
2017-05-26T00:40:35 < zyp> show who?
2017-05-26T00:40:47 < jadew`> Rob235, lol, when the internet guy came to fix my connection I showed him how my IRC client disconnects every couple of minutes
2017-05-26T00:40:54 < Rob235> potential employers
2017-05-26T00:40:56 < jadew`> he was like "wow, I haven't seen IRC in 10 years"
2017-05-26T00:41:02 < Rob235> haha
2017-05-26T00:41:23 < Steffanx> lol. You didnt show it him this morning right?
2017-05-26T00:41:42 < Steffanx> in this channel. While r2com and crt where enabling each other.
2017-05-26T00:42:04 < zyp> making a bittorrent client sounds like a dumb project, it's largely a solved problem already and beating established clients on functionality with a scratch-written one is gonna be pretty hard
2017-05-26T00:42:16 < zyp> how about making something useful instead?
2017-05-26T00:42:27 < Rob235> any ideas?
2017-05-26T00:42:30 < zyp> also, what sort of jobs would you be looking for?
2017-05-26T00:42:31 < jadew`> Steffanx, I missed that
2017-05-26T00:42:33 < crt> I think r2 should receive stroopwafels
2017-05-26T00:42:43 < Steffanx> hasnt everything useful already been done?
2017-05-26T00:42:49 < Rob235> not sure tbh, programming of some sorts
2017-05-26T00:42:53 < Rob235> maybe mobile
2017-05-26T00:43:02 < crt> jadew`: make an stm32 centric irc client
2017-05-26T00:43:03 < zyp> I've been showing off the hobby shit I'm selling to various employers
2017-05-26T00:43:05 < Rob235> as long as its not web dev I'm good
2017-05-26T00:43:13 < crt> Only connects to this channel
2017-05-26T00:43:28 < crt> I'd buy it
2017-05-26T00:43:29 < Rob235> yea really, everything is already made
2017-05-26T00:43:49 < jadew`> there's lot of stuff that's not done right
2017-05-26T00:43:56 < zyp> was about to say that
2017-05-26T00:44:01 < Rob235> and if I choose something proprietary (if I want network stuff) then I'd have to create server and client which is more work :)
2017-05-26T00:44:21 < zyp> there's a lot of stuff that can be improved
2017-05-26T00:44:53 < zyp> anyway, instead of thinking about making something to show off, make something that solves a problem
2017-05-26T00:45:07 < jadew`> or better yet, make something you need
2017-05-26T00:45:16 < zyp> then you get a story of why you made it too, rather than «I made it to try to impress you guys»
2017-05-26T00:45:16 < Rob235> maybe something for my drone
2017-05-26T00:45:29 < Rob235> thats why I did the drone in the first place (or at least my excuse to spend the money on it)
2017-05-26T00:45:36 < Rob235> was for experience for job interview
2017-05-26T00:46:10 < zyp> oh, yeah, I were dicking around with quadrotor shit when I got my first dev job I think I mentioned it in the interview there
2017-05-26T00:46:18 < Ultrasauce> make the drone yaw rapidly so you can use the led strips as a pov display
2017-05-26T00:46:27 < Rob235> I guess I could make a better telemetry thing that can upload google map coordinates
2017-05-26T00:46:29 < Rob235> and shit like that
2017-05-26T00:46:34 < Rob235> hah yea
2017-05-26T00:47:28 < jadew`> then you can display dickbutt
2017-05-26T00:47:48 < jadew`> they'll have to hire you then
2017-05-26T00:47:58 < Rob235> perfect
2017-05-26T00:48:15 < Rob235> I should drop my classes right now since I'm guaranteed a job now
2017-05-26T00:48:21 < Steffanx> :P
2017-05-26T00:48:44 < jadew`> that's what I did
2017-05-26T00:48:48 < zyp> haha
2017-05-26T00:48:49 < Rob235> I better graduate man, ive been dicking around way too long
2017-05-26T00:49:15 < zyp> I failed my last exam at uni, didn't bother retaking it
2017-05-26T00:49:15 < Steffanx> Yes, better graduate.
2017-05-26T00:49:27 < Rob235> 3 classes left, only one is comp sci
2017-05-26T00:49:34 < Rob235> i wish all 3 were
2017-05-26T00:49:37 < zyp> «whatever, I got a job anyway»
2017-05-26T00:49:49 < jadew`> zyp, so you didn't finish? :)
2017-05-26T00:50:05 < Steffanx> meh zyp. You also show that on your CV?
2017-05-26T00:50:05 < zyp> well, I did
2017-05-26T00:50:20 < jadew`> I would have taken it again
2017-05-26T00:50:42 < Steffanx> Hmm, how do you finish without completing it? Or was it just for some extra points?
2017-05-26T00:50:46 < zyp> it was an elective course, and I already had spare credits from an extra class I took the year before
2017-05-26T00:50:52 < Steffanx> that.
2017-05-26T00:50:58 < jadew`> ah, cool
2017-05-26T00:51:23 < Steffanx> then i wouldnt have bothered either.
2017-05-26T00:51:44 < Rob235> if you go to school 1 and get shitty grades and dont graduate and drop out, then years later you go to school B and get good grades and graduate, what is your gpa? do you just use your gpa from school B?
2017-05-26T00:51:57 < Rob235> oops 1-2 A-B
2017-05-26T00:51:59 < Rob235> either or
2017-05-26T00:52:00 < zyp> I only signed up the course because I needed another 5 points in a course that qualified as «social shit» or whatever I should translate it as
2017-05-26T00:52:26 < Steffanx> afaik we dont do a GPA thing here Rob235.
2017-05-26T00:52:33 < Rob235> lucky you
2017-05-26T00:52:52 < jadew`> I had bad luck in uni, every time there was an idiot teacher that ruined the experience for me
2017-05-26T00:53:04 < Rob235> i never went to class
2017-05-26T00:53:15 < jadew`> I guess that was my mistake, I did
2017-05-26T00:53:16 < Steffanx> Sure your average score can be important to go to some universities, but in general its not really a thing.
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2017-05-26T00:53:57 < Steffanx> that's why i never finished my masters jadew`. Fuck them useless professors.
2017-05-26T00:54:02 < Rob235> my anxiety was bad back then, I would go to class and not be able to pay attention so I stopped going
2017-05-26T00:54:10 < Steffanx> or assistant profs.
2017-05-26T00:54:20 < Rob235> I don't know how I didn't get kicked out ever
2017-05-26T00:54:20 < Steffanx> Are you on alcohol Rob235?
2017-05-26T00:54:25 < Rob235> hah no
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2017-05-26T00:54:36 < jadew`> Rob235, I got kicked out of highschool
2017-05-26T00:54:42 < Rob235> what for
2017-05-26T00:54:47 < jadew`> being a dick
2017-05-26T00:54:58 < jadew`> I was always arguing with the math teacher
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2017-05-26T00:55:06 < Rob235> that'll do it
2017-05-26T00:55:16 < Steffanx> If you were a few years earlier you could have been "dongs", jadew`? :P
2017-05-26T00:55:18 < jadew`> and he said he'll fail me (having me repeat the year) if I don't change schools
2017-05-26T00:55:40 < Rob235> were you calling him an idiot and proving him wrong or were you just being a dick
2017-05-26T00:55:58 < jadew`> I was trying to get to the bottom of whatever he was teaching us
2017-05-26T00:56:17 < Rob235> oh, teachers arent that smart
2017-05-26T00:56:21 < Rob235> they cant answer that
2017-05-26T00:56:34 < Steffanx> or they just dont have the time.
2017-05-26T00:56:48 < jadew`> I think that after a while they stop caring
2017-05-26T00:57:01 < Rob235> I
2017-05-26T00:57:04 < Rob235> I'm sure
2017-05-26T00:57:09 < jadew`> it's rare that you find a passionate teacher
2017-05-26T00:57:28 < Rob235> who could deal with horrible kids for years and still be sane
2017-05-26T00:58:04 < jadew`> yeah, I had a few good teachers in my primary school and first half of highschool, before I changed cities
2017-05-26T00:58:21 < Rob235> I'm sure a lot of teachers start out passionate but that part of them quickly dies an agonizing death
2017-05-26T00:58:46 < jadew`> yeah, but I think some are shit since they start
2017-05-26T00:58:54 < Rob235> yea definitely
2017-05-26T01:00:48 < Steffanx> better move to dutchland, where its all fine and dandy.
2017-05-26T01:01:07 < Steffanx> actually you are not even allowed to drop out before you are like .. 18 yo.
2017-05-26T01:01:23 < Rob235> how do they stop you
2017-05-26T01:01:30 < jadew`> haha
2017-05-26T01:01:33 < jadew`> good question
2017-05-26T01:01:38 < aandrew> same idea here
2017-05-26T01:01:40 < aandrew> truant officers
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2017-05-26T01:01:54 < jadew`> same here
2017-05-26T01:02:14 < jadew`> but somehow, there are a lot of people who can't read or write
2017-05-26T01:02:23 < Rob235> like me
2017-05-26T01:02:47  * Rob235 scratches head
2017-05-26T01:02:55 < jadew`> I remember when I got drafted
2017-05-26T01:03:19 < jadew`> like 10% of the guys there couldn't read
2017-05-26T01:03:27 < Rob235> you were drafted? that sucks
2017-05-26T01:03:30 < Rob235> did you have to do anything?
2017-05-26T01:03:38 < jadew`> they didn't take me
2017-05-26T01:03:40 < crt> Steffanx: better open stroopwafel Australia shop
2017-05-26T01:03:53 < Steffanx> What about world wide?
2017-05-26T01:04:29 < jadew`> Rob235, I failed the physical exam :D
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2017-05-26T01:04:39 < crt> Lots of recreational drug use in AU
2017-05-26T01:04:40 < Rob235> heh I would too
2017-05-26T01:04:40 < jadew`> I was underweight
2017-05-26T01:04:47 < crt> They'll sell very good
2017-05-26T01:04:57 < Rob235> I bet not as underweight as I am
2017-05-26T01:05:06 < Rob235> I'm trying to gain weight but it doesn't work
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2017-05-26T01:05:34 < jadew`> they also called me in to talk to the psychologist - he put a lot of red ink on my chart
2017-05-26T01:05:50 < jadew`> Rob235, don't try, it will happen eventually
2017-05-26T01:05:51 < Steffanx> When you drop out you can actually get jail time, community service of a fine, Rob235.
2017-05-26T01:05:55 < Steffanx> *or
2017-05-26T01:05:59 < Rob235> ahh
2017-05-26T01:06:08 < DisruptiveNL> I am busy making a shield for the STM32F411RE
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2017-05-26T01:06:27 < Rob235> oh right, this is a stm32 channel :P
2017-05-26T01:06:47 < Steffanx> and when you drop out when 18+ you wont receive government aid stuff
2017-05-26T01:07:16 < Steffanx> nucleo shield DisruptiveNL?
2017-05-26T01:07:29 < Rob235> Steffanx: I'm moving to dutchland and moving in with you
2017-05-26T01:07:30 < DisruptiveNL> yes
2017-05-26T01:08:12 < Steffanx> maybe ^ has a spare room, not me.
2017-05-26T01:08:36 < DisruptiveNL> I have some PWM, I2C and UART functionalities and I am getting crazy from all that wiring on breadboards ;-)
2017-05-26T01:12:25 < karlp> more shields more better!
2017-05-26T01:16:04 < crt> I want to live with stffn
2017-05-26T01:16:13 < Rob235> who wouldnt!
2017-05-26T01:16:14 < crt> Stroopwafels and windmills
2017-05-26T01:17:53 < Rob235> is there anyway to fix scratches on the aluminum of my mbp?
2017-05-26T01:18:06 < crt> Yes
2017-05-26T01:18:26 < Rob235> any more info available?
2017-05-26T01:18:37 < crt> Where is scratch
2017-05-26T01:18:55 < zyp> nah, just fix your attitude
2017-05-26T01:19:09 < zyp> a laptop is a tool, tools should be used, use shows signs
2017-05-26T01:19:10 < Rob235> they are all minor but a couple on the top (otherside of lcd) and some next to the trackpad
2017-05-26T01:19:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA_8HPsua0c
2017-05-26T01:19:20 < crt> Get your authorised apple technician to replace the part, only around $7000 iirc
2017-05-26T01:19:37 < Rob235> oh hah fuck that, thats not fixing, thats replacing
2017-05-26T01:19:45 < crt> Tell them I sent you for $12 off
2017-05-26T01:20:44 < zyp> my macbook has two bent corners from being dropped in the floor a couple of times
2017-05-26T01:21:19 < zyp> once I were using it on the train, and I weren't paying attention when the train went through a curve, so it fell on the floor
2017-05-26T01:21:26 < Rob235> my old one had that on one corner, this one has no dents yet, just scratches
2017-05-26T01:21:51 < Steffanx> just add stickers, more stickers.
2017-05-26T01:21:56 < zyp> and another time I forgot to close my bag properly so it fell out
2017-05-26T01:22:28 < Steffanx> i never had it fall, but still it is full with dents. Not sure how they go there.
2017-05-26T01:22:51 < Steffanx> might be because i sometimes drop it from my bed on my chair, or from my chair on my bed.
2017-05-26T01:23:08 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/o3UXi.jpg
2017-05-26T01:23:18 < Rob235> ouch
2017-05-26T01:23:20 < Steffanx> lol, that's bad.
2017-05-26T01:23:35 < DisruptiveNL> Nederlanders hier merk ik
2017-05-26T01:23:36 < zyp> eh, it's just cosmetical, all ports still work
2017-05-26T01:23:48 < DisruptiveNL> motten jullie niet slapen?
2017-05-26T01:23:52 < karlp> a guy came to visit us at work recently with a laptop that had the corner of the screen shattered, and the plastic all gone behind it, and bent chunk of hard wire frame exposed.
2017-05-26T01:23:59 < zyp> ethernet port requires a bit more force to operate, but still works
2017-05-26T01:23:59 < karlp> still working hard
2017-05-26T01:23:59 < Steffanx> nee, dat kennen we niet DisruptiveNL.
2017-05-26T01:24:12 < Steffanx> ( im the only active one, mr DisruptiveNL )
2017-05-26T01:24:16 < Fleck> clumsy zyp
2017-05-26T01:24:17 < DisruptiveNL> Grunn ?
2017-05-26T01:24:21 < zyp> karlp, that sounds a bit past my limit
2017-05-26T01:24:23 < Steffanx> Yep.
2017-05-26T01:24:28 < DisruptiveNL> haha me2
2017-05-26T01:24:30 < zyp> screen on mine is still unharmed
2017-05-26T01:24:34 < Steffanx> oh noes.
2017-05-26T01:24:36 < karlp> fucking bullshit.
2017-05-26T01:24:55 < karlp> took my drive out of myu computer put it in another, now it thinks another user owns it all because the uids are different
2017-05-26T01:25:02 < karlp> bah humbug.
2017-05-26T01:26:10 < englishman> hi crt
2017-05-26T01:26:16 < englishman> the hot tub is being fixed monday
2017-05-26T01:26:19 < zyp> Fleck, maybe, considering it's six years old I don't think it's too bad having only dropped it twice and only incurred cosmetical damage
2017-05-26T01:26:27 < englishman> wanna stop by on your way home from bombing uk?
2017-05-26T01:26:57 < Rob235> I want a hottub :(
2017-05-26T01:26:58 < DisruptiveNL> Steffanx: wat voor projecten ben jij mee bezig?
2017-05-26T01:27:51 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8f13708210/19138.png
2017-05-26T01:27:56 < Laurenceb_> found kakimir
2017-05-26T01:28:01 < zyp> DisruptiveNL, it's kinda rude to hold a conversation in a minor language in a relatively busy channel
2017-05-26T01:28:10 < zyp> minor as in few people on the channel speak it
2017-05-26T01:28:49 < karlp> well, we're not talking about DisruptiveNL 's actually on topic questions either :)
2017-05-26T01:28:57 < DisruptiveNL> zyp: true no worries I thought I asked it private...
2017-05-26T01:29:21 < englishman> i didnt see a question
2017-05-26T01:29:21 < DisruptiveNL> I asked him (cause he is Dutch) what projects is he doing
2017-05-26T01:29:43 < DisruptiveNL> sometimes it can be handy if you can help each other
2017-05-26T01:29:52 < zyp> I've actually been wondering too
2017-05-26T01:29:56 < DisruptiveNL> and he is living in the same postal code ;-)
2017-05-26T01:30:03 < zyp> Steffanx, have you actually done any stm32 lately?
2017-05-26T01:30:14 < englishman> steffan is an stm8 pro now
2017-05-26T01:30:26 < Steffanx> not much no, just some random messing around. No real projects.
2017-05-26T01:30:39 < zyp> Steffanx, IIRC you did some ultrasonic anemometer forever ago
2017-05-26T01:30:43 < zyp> unless that was somebody else
2017-05-26T01:30:46 < englishman> he's realized the 💥/$ is much higher
2017-05-26T01:30:48 < Steffanx> no that was me
2017-05-26T01:30:56 < zyp> yeah, that's what I thought
2017-05-26T01:31:05 < DisruptiveNL> I have made a sensorboard with the Nucleo: STM32F411RE and ChibiOS
2017-05-26T01:31:07 < zyp> and that's the only stm32 thing I remember you having talked about
2017-05-26T01:31:19 < Steffanx> i still want to redo that thing.
2017-05-26T01:31:32 < Steffanx> but i dont have the hw of it as it was some uni project and they destroyed it :(
2017-05-26T01:31:38 < zyp> aww
2017-05-26T01:31:46 < englishman> ultrasonic anemometer..... didnt know that was a thing, how does it work?
2017-05-26T01:32:04 < zyp> two transducers, so you transmit between them
2017-05-26T01:32:05 < Steffanx> ping-pong, do calculation. done :)
2017-05-26T01:32:07 < sync> measuring time
2017-05-26T01:32:09 < englishman> biggest benefit is no moving parts or resistance curve?
2017-05-26T01:32:20 < DisruptiveNL> ans I want to make a GPS baecon (and change my IRDA baecon) for racing
2017-05-26T01:32:26 < englishman> hm, just trigonometry?
2017-05-26T01:32:32 < Steffanx> speed, no moving parts. accuracy i guess.
2017-05-26T01:32:39 < englishman> because wind carries the sound away
2017-05-26T01:32:46 < zyp> englishman, with two transducer pairs, you get two axes, so you get a wind vector with no moving parts
2017-05-26T01:33:05 < zyp> compared to anemometers with a wind vane and that spinning shit
2017-05-26T01:33:15 < Steffanx> some more more pro version just use 3 transducers.
2017-05-26T01:33:28 < englishman> but basically, the wind imparts its vector on the sound vector
2017-05-26T01:33:32 < Steffanx> or 4, but in a "3d" setup
2017-05-26T01:33:33 < sync> Steffanx: did you do aero stuff on it to see if the wind direction had an effect?
2017-05-26T01:33:39 < zyp> ultrasonic anemometers is pretty common
2017-05-26T01:33:43 < englishman> cool
2017-05-26T01:34:13 < Steffanx> no, if you mean tests in a wind tunnel sync? No, i didnt do that, sadly.
2017-05-26T01:34:20 < sync> ):
2017-05-26T01:34:31 < englishman> did you get it working? seems rather simple
2017-05-26T01:34:41 < Steffanx> Nah semi working.
2017-05-26T01:34:45 < zyp> at the rocket launch site next to where my parents live, they have a tall mast/tower with a bunch of those with some meters in between
2017-05-26T01:35:04 < Steffanx> The wind from my wind generator was rather turbulent, so it changed a bit much.
2017-05-26T01:35:14 < zyp> to get a wind profile through the initial launch corridor
2017-05-26T01:35:28 < englishman> strap it to the top of your car with a friend?
2017-05-26T01:35:34 < Rob235> do vaginas bleed if you hit the back wall?
2017-05-26T01:35:42 < Steffanx> and my analog design sucked, so.. the signal was a bit noisy
2017-05-26T01:35:48 < englishman> try ##electronics with that question
2017-05-26T01:35:49 < crt> Getting ##stm32 shirts soon
2017-05-26T01:35:49 < sync> hmm
2017-05-26T01:35:59 < crt> Pumpers gonna pump
2017-05-26T01:36:00 < Steffanx> finding the "start" of the signal wasn't too easy.
2017-05-26T01:36:02 < Laurenceb_> crt: use quote from Rob235
2017-05-26T01:36:15 < upgrdman> any fpga pros awake? ##fpga is quiet
2017-05-26T01:36:15 < sync> yeah, I always wanted to build one but could never get around doing it
2017-05-26T01:36:17 < Rob235> :)
2017-05-26T01:36:17 < crt> Cloners gonna clone
2017-05-26T01:36:25 < Steffanx> i did do other stm32 stuff, but i wasn't really in need of help. ever zyp :P
2017-05-26T01:36:30 < englishman> was it ultrasonic pulses, or carrier and phase measurement
2017-05-26T01:36:32 < sync> but at the end you need a wind tunnel to really calibrate it
2017-05-26T01:36:54 < Rob235> my gf is always bleeding, not sure why, probably birth control shit
2017-05-26T01:37:03 < zyp> https://goo.gl/maps/wS3wWCNzLp32 <- this shit, this is all ultrasonic anemometers
2017-05-26T01:37:36 < englishman> zyp, that's awesome, my anemometer is always icing up in winter
2017-05-26T01:37:49 < englishman> but i guess that would affect the ultrasonic too
2017-05-26T01:37:52 < sync> yeah you can heat them
2017-05-26T01:37:58 < upgrdman> fpga max clock speed... map trace lists a max speed, and p&r trace lists a max speed. guessing the map trace is an estimate, and p&r trace is reality? (all inputs are async, so no timing constraints, i metastabilize all inputs.)
2017-05-26T01:37:59 < sync> or must
2017-05-26T01:38:05 < Steffanx> http://www.dl1glh.de/ultrasonic-anemometer.html englishman.
2017-05-26T01:38:15 < Steffanx> not mine, but it has useful info
2017-05-26T01:38:16 < englishman> yeah, then battery operation is out of the question
2017-05-26T01:38:21 < Steffanx> ( and PIC)
2017-05-26T01:38:29 < englishman> cool
2017-05-26T01:38:53 < Steffanx> yeah, mine was made of copper too. It would need heating aswell.
2017-05-26T01:39:01 < Steffanx> i believe the one of that page does that too.
2017-05-26T01:39:06 < sync> haha that is a very neat launch site zyp
2017-05-26T01:39:20 < sync> with the cute little radome and two gimbaled antennas
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2017-05-26T01:40:15 < zyp> AFAIK the gimbaled helix is obsolete
2017-05-26T01:40:39 < zyp> IIRC the parabolic one is 10', and there's a 20' parabolic in the radome
2017-05-26T01:40:55 < Steffanx> i think battery operation isn't really an option anyway englishman.
2017-05-26T01:41:08 < Steffanx> unless you have some nice solar panels.
2017-05-26T01:41:15 < zyp> and then they have another mobile parabolic one that they use if needed, like if they're doing double launches
2017-05-26T01:41:24 < englishman> isn't that a VOR
2017-05-26T01:41:41 < zyp> where?
2017-05-26T01:41:45 < englishman> the dome
2017-05-26T01:41:59 < zyp> no, there's a 20' parabolic inside, I've been in there
2017-05-26T01:42:15 < englishman> hm no too big
2017-05-26T01:42:17 < englishman> yea
2017-05-26T01:42:19 < englishman> cool
2017-05-26T01:43:16 < englishman> didn't know nørway had a space prøgram
2017-05-26T01:43:18 < zyp> I went to space tech school last year of high school, we had six hours of education on-site
2017-05-26T01:43:23 < crt> Official stm32 cat is poutine cat
2017-05-26T01:43:41 < zyp> so I've played with all the fancy receiver equipment they've got too
2017-05-26T01:43:56 < zyp> or what they had in 2006/07 rather
2017-05-26T01:44:08 < zyp> I think they've got more digital stuff now
2017-05-26T01:44:35 < zyp> when I were there, they still had huge eight-track recorders
2017-05-26T01:45:09 < englishman> class of 07
2017-05-26T01:45:13 < englishman> another young'un
2017-05-26T01:45:19 < zyp> :)
2017-05-26T01:45:21 < Steffanx> (millenial)
2017-05-26T01:45:26 < englishman> ^
2017-05-26T01:46:19 < Rob235> what is considered a millenial?
2017-05-26T01:46:27 < Rob235> what year
2017-05-26T01:46:32 < englishman> nobody knows
2017-05-26T01:46:40 < Steffanx> 1980+
2017-05-26T01:46:41 < englishman> typically 1970-2016
2017-05-26T01:46:51 < Rob235> oh, I didnt know I was one
2017-05-26T01:47:00 < Rob235> I thought I just missed it
2017-05-26T01:47:17 < Rob235> 84
2017-05-26T01:47:26 < zyp> the fun thing is that my parents house has line of sight over to the launch site
2017-05-26T01:47:37 < zyp> so I saw a ton of launches from the windows at home when I were a kid
2017-05-26T01:51:28 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rocket_incident <- including this one
2017-05-26T01:52:00 < karlp> what's a "VOR" ?
2017-05-26T01:52:11 < zyp> airplane nav beacon
2017-05-26T01:52:14 < crt> Very odd rash
2017-05-26T01:52:16 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHF_omnidirectional_range
2017-05-26T01:53:03 < crt> Stffn you've given me misleading acronym syndrome
2017-05-26T01:53:14 < englishman> lol zyp that's fucking awesome
2017-05-26T01:53:37 < Steffanx> Cant Relate To that, crt.
2017-05-26T01:54:59 < zyp> my parents house is only around a kilometer away, and the black brants are about the largest ones they have capability of launching, so it shakes the house pretty good
2017-05-26T01:55:28 < zyp> and they don't launch black brants very often, so I remember that particular one very well
2017-05-26T01:55:43 < crt> (::
2017-05-26T01:57:27 < crt> Better scramble the migs
2017-05-26T01:58:38 < sync> nah, better scramble the topol
2017-05-26T01:58:51 < sync> get them TELs moving
2017-05-26T01:59:24 < Steffanx> topol ..
2017-05-26T01:59:27 < crt> Scramble the eggs while you're at it
2017-05-26T01:59:42 < sync> not to confuse with toplol Steffanx
2017-05-26T01:59:56 < Steffanx> google doesnt help me with "topol"
2017-05-26T02:00:04 < crt> Laurenceb_ is officer toplol
2017-05-26T02:00:24 < Steffanx> General, at least crt.
2017-05-26T02:00:46 < sync> РТ-2ПМ Тополь Steffanx
2017-05-26T02:01:09 < sync> or for the blue guys, ss25 sickle
2017-05-26T02:01:59 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2AIjYV4x/IMG_1470.PNG
2017-05-26T02:02:00 < Steffanx> ah
2017-05-26T02:02:48 < crt> He's still angry steffan
2017-05-26T02:03:39 < Rob235> anyone have a sugar glider? I'm curious how much they cost
2017-05-26T02:03:52 < crt> CRT - crappy repair technician
2017-05-26T02:05:01 < upgrdman> video card ram is much faster than cpu ram right? speed and latency. so why not use it for cpu ram too?
2017-05-26T02:05:13 < Rob235> expensive
2017-05-26T02:05:26 < upgrdman> is that the only reason?
2017-05-26T02:05:30 < Rob235> dunno
2017-05-26T02:05:40 < upgrdman> because lots of gaymer fags would may top price for ram
2017-05-26T02:06:02 < karlp> is videocard ram actually faster?
2017-05-26T02:06:10 < karlp> or do they just call it faster with creative gaymer maths?
2017-05-26T02:06:15 < upgrdman> it is for speed. i haven't compared latency
2017-05-26T02:06:24 < karlp> yeah, but _is it_
2017-05-26T02:06:44 < englishman> i bet jedec knows
2017-05-26T02:08:29 < upgrdman> karlp, well at least for specs: i7-6700k "max memory bandwidth 34.1GB/s" and gtx1080 "320GB/s"
2017-05-26T02:08:41 < upgrdman> quoting from:
2017-05-26T02:08:41 < upgrdman> https://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
2017-05-26T02:08:46 < upgrdman> http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/pdfs/GeForce_GTX_1080_Whitepaper_FINAL.pdf
2017-05-26T02:09:01 < Steffanx> isnt that mainly because the bus size is much higher?
2017-05-26T02:09:04 < Steffanx> larger
2017-05-26T02:09:06 < crt> I want to get into autistic discussion and put 2x gtx1080s in my CPU socket
2017-05-26T02:09:07 < karlp> was just abotu to say the same thign
2017-05-26T02:09:08 < Steffanx> whatever
2017-05-26T02:09:09 < englishman> wider
2017-05-26T02:09:16 < karlp> ram's not faster, they just put way more sideways
2017-05-26T02:09:21  * upgrdman checks latency
2017-05-26T02:09:31 < karlp> same ram from the ram manufacturers
2017-05-26T02:09:41 < upgrdman> holy shit, gtx1080 runs memory at 10GHz
2017-05-26T02:09:44 < upgrdman> htf is that possible
2017-05-26T02:10:01 < sync> amaze drivers
2017-05-26T02:10:04 < karlp> dont' have to share it with anyone ever. just your own memory
2017-05-26T02:10:18 < englishman> is that bitrate or actual clock frequency.
2017-05-26T02:10:37 < karlp> sounds creative indeed :)
2017-05-26T02:10:43 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-05-26T02:10:46 < upgrdman> oh "Memory Clock (Data Rate)"
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2017-05-26T02:10:51 < karlp> like I said, gaymer maths
2017-05-26T02:11:07 < upgrdman> so thats, what, 5GHz DDR?
2017-05-26T02:11:14 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7dFSo49F/IMG_0110.JPG
2017-05-26T02:11:22 < crt> These still exist
2017-05-26T02:11:24 < crt> ???
2017-05-26T02:11:27 < englishman> karlp knows his gaymers
2017-05-26T02:11:35 < sync> yes crt
2017-05-26T02:11:43 < crt> Shit son
2017-05-26T02:12:29 < Steffanx> Can you still call for free by faking some tones?
2017-05-26T02:12:41 < Steffanx> actually real tones, but .. just playing them
2017-05-26T02:12:54 < Rob235> what is that? phreaking?
2017-05-26T02:12:59 < Rob235> or
2017-05-26T02:13:01 < crt> Lol no steffan
2017-05-26T02:13:23 < crt> I used to be able to get my money back by sticking a straw up it
2017-05-26T02:13:24 < BrainDamage> you never could outside usa
2017-05-26T02:13:27 < Rob235> oh yea it is
2017-05-26T02:14:10 < crt> The system is is blown
2017-05-26T02:14:29 < crt> Better have that morning coffee crt
2017-05-26T02:14:36 < karlp> BrainDamage: why's that?
2017-05-26T02:16:37 < Steffanx> CRT Rigged Telephones?
2017-05-26T02:16:55 < crt> Everyone knew the trick
2017-05-26T02:17:07 < crt> I just wanted my 50c back
2017-05-26T02:18:16 < BrainDamage> karlp: the largest usa's phone company was using inband signaling to mark a call was paid for
2017-05-26T02:18:26 < BrainDamage> a double tone signal, in the audible range
2017-05-26T02:19:51 < crt> Whistle on the skin flute
2017-05-26T02:20:07 < BrainDamage> EU system instead always used out of band signaling using a modem over a portion of spectrum that was bypassed out by the audio filters
2017-05-26T02:20:13 < crt> Give Telecoms the boot
2017-05-26T02:20:16 < BrainDamage> ( and rest of the world )
2017-05-26T02:20:44 < crt> We know about the spectrum here I'll tell you this much
2017-05-26T02:21:37 < BrainDamage> moreover each phone booth sent its unique id, so in order to fake a free call you'd need to sniff it first
2017-05-26T02:22:06 < BrainDamage> tldr: you'd need to dismantle a lot of shit to have a free phone call
2017-05-26T02:22:17 < PeterM> crt telstra phone booths have wifi now IIRC
2017-05-26T02:22:33 < crt> Nice
2017-05-26T02:22:38 < Steffanx> i believe it was possible to use DTMF hacks to call for free in dutchland BrainDamage.
2017-05-26T02:23:02 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: weird, that must've been some private phone company
2017-05-26T02:23:05 < Steffanx>  but that was probably before i was born :P
2017-05-26T02:23:26 < BrainDamage> as far as I know, the state owned companies across eu were rather similar in their setups
2017-05-26T02:23:29 < PeterM> also, such dissapoint, i popcorned my motorcontroller on my bike :(
2017-05-26T02:24:01 < crt> Farken ell mate
2017-05-26T02:24:09 < BrainDamage> oh and the usa's system was so hilarious that you could get free calls with a whistle
2017-05-26T02:24:57 < Steffanx> Crazy Rumbling Teapot, crt.
2017-05-26T02:25:13 < crt> 11/10
2017-05-26T02:26:16 < crt> Consistent racist trolling
2017-05-26T02:26:22 < BrainDamage> I wonder if 56k isp still exist, it'd be fun to go to a phone booth with an acoustic coupler and and pretend you're doing seekret h4x0ring
2017-05-26T02:26:35 < crt> Yes BrainDamage they do
2017-05-26T02:27:07 < crt> Just for remote locations where errything is gay
2017-05-26T02:27:33 < sync> them happy locations
2017-05-26T02:28:16 < sync> BrainDamage: negative
2017-05-26T02:29:12 < sync> you could just punch in system 12 service codez and get free calls if you knew what was up
2017-05-26T02:33:06 < karlp> sync: sure, but that wasn't phreaking
2017-05-26T02:33:16 < sync> true
2017-05-26T02:34:16 < sync> coworker used to do that
2017-05-26T02:34:36 < sync> but he also wrote codes for system12
2017-05-26T02:34:48 < karlp> ~8MB/sec ~max 100M ethernet right?
2017-05-26T02:35:11 < karlp> or should be a bit higher, mor elike 9.5 or something
2017-05-26T02:36:17 < sync> more like 12MB/s
2017-05-26T02:38:01 < Laurenceb_> https://files.catbox.moe/11bh29.jpg
2017-05-26T02:39:08 < Rob235> haha
2017-05-26T02:39:19 < crt> Sfw?
2017-05-26T02:39:33 < Rob235> yes
2017-05-26T02:39:52 < crt> Hmmmm
2017-05-26T02:40:08 < crt> But it's a blaxter
2017-05-26T02:40:44 < karlp> ok, 11.5MBs on reads.  nfs is only 8.3MBs on writes. could probably tune that up. disk itself on far side was giving ~30
2017-05-26T02:41:03 < karlp> so... today, actually limited by fastethernet.  when the gig switch arrives, will be limited by usb2 harddrive
2017-05-26T02:45:41 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8f13708210/19129.jpg
2017-05-26T02:46:27 < Steffanx> are you sick Laurenceb_?
2017-05-26T02:47:39 < Steffanx> Your posts are slightly funnier than normally
2017-05-26T02:49:31 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-05-26T02:49:43 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/tHzZBT9 crt confirmed
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2017-05-26T02:56:24 < crt> Laurenceb_: saved
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2017-05-26T04:46:59 < upgrdman> R2COM: https://i.redd.it/kmpgc1yuwnzy.jpg
2017-05-26T04:47:06 < upgrdman> oh fek he isnt here
2017-05-26T04:56:43 < upgrdman> because china  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPj-SPD_NIg
2017-05-26T04:57:05 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: where'd you get that picture of me
2017-05-26T04:57:14 < tpw_rules> i demand you delete it at once
2017-05-26T04:57:17 < upgrdman> heh
2017-05-26T04:58:41 < crt> hi bby
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2017-05-26T05:04:28 < crt> u like what u see
2017-05-26T05:04:41 < crt> or u wanna bit of this ;)
2017-05-26T05:05:26  * crt cues a record
2017-05-26T05:05:27 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9q0G64DM/ROFL.mp4
2017-05-26T05:05:38 < upgrdman> quality web design  https://gfycat.com/SourUltimateIberiannase
2017-05-26T05:16:24 < crt> yeah i'm too used to shit like that
2017-05-26T05:16:29 < crt> seems commonplace these days.
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2017-05-26T05:20:23 < machinehum> Not an STM question, but this channel seems pretty active
2017-05-26T05:20:42 < crt> ask me question
2017-05-26T05:20:42 < machinehum> Who's making the best class D amps these days
2017-05-26T05:20:44 < crt> i like question
2017-05-26T05:20:46 < crt> pascal
2017-05-26T05:20:50 < machinehum> ahh
2017-05-26T05:20:52 < machinehum> k
2017-05-26T05:20:55 < crt> camco are now powered by pascal
2017-05-26T05:21:14 < machinehum> Wait or haskel?
2017-05-26T05:21:25 < machinehum> I heard they have a good IRC.
2017-05-26T05:21:30 < machinehum> channel*
2017-05-26T05:21:52 < crt> better ask senpai
2017-05-26T05:22:25 < crt> i program microcontroller is sea language
2017-05-26T05:22:29 < crt> and pump here
2017-05-26T05:22:32 < crt> *in
2017-05-26T05:23:24 < crt> i'm autistic as fuck and trash anyone not programming their chips with punch cards
2017-05-26T05:30:18 < englishman> here comes the canuck
2017-05-26T05:33:14 < crt> layulongtiem
2017-05-26T05:37:44 < machinehum> nice nice
2017-05-26T05:40:50 < crt> englishman is full pro stm32 too
2017-05-26T05:41:06 < crt> he makes japanese suicide devices with the power of the ARM architecture
2017-05-26T05:41:29 < Rob235> damn trying some x265 encodings and first pass went from 10 min to 2.5 hours
2017-05-26T05:43:26 < crt> because the japanese men are very low on the world's penis size scale they tend to watch hentai and commit kamikaze
2017-05-26T05:50:03 < englishman> with censored dicks so they never really know how small their dicks are
2017-05-26T06:29:10 < emeb> "commit kamikaze"
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2017-05-26T06:33:37 < linuzm0b> Hello Guys, past days I made some questions about SAI on STM32... doubts about frameslot, active frame sync and so on... On last HAL (V1.15.0) there's a helper function for configure SAI to a specific protocol, like I2S or TDM mode... HAL_SAI_InitProtocol
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2017-05-26T09:01:44 < ReadError> can uh
2017-05-26T09:01:48 < ReadError> someone explain this
2017-05-26T09:01:49 < ReadError> https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517
2017-05-26T09:17:34 < zyp> explain what?
2017-05-26T09:19:28 < zyp> ah, devuan is the "fuck systemd" fork of debian
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2017-05-26T09:22:40 < ReadError> oh thats what it is ?
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2017-05-26T09:27:40 < zyp> yeah
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2017-05-26T09:51:44 < qyx> much systemd hatress
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2017-05-26T09:52:44 < qyx> -ess
2017-05-26T09:54:56 < zyp> yeah, it's important to stick up against any improvements
2017-05-26T09:54:58 < upgrdman> R2COM: https://i.redd.it/kmpgc1yuwnzy.jpg
2017-05-26T09:56:38 < upgrdman> yo
2017-05-26T09:56:44 < upgrdman> did you see muh link
2017-05-26T09:58:22 < upgrdman> R2COM: https://i.redd.it/kmpgc1yuwnzy.jpg
2017-05-26T09:58:31 < upgrdman> :)
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2017-05-26T11:27:54 < Thorn> >The 'S' in 'IoT' stands for 'Security!'
2017-05-26T11:35:17 < jadew`> lol Thorn
2017-05-26T11:36:50 < zyp> old joke
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2017-05-26T11:48:55 < crt> sup
2017-05-26T11:49:00 < crt> how do i fix it
2017-05-26T11:49:07 < zyp> delete it
2017-05-26T11:50:30 < crt> well
2017-05-26T11:50:34 < crt> and welcome all
2017-05-26T11:50:38 < crt> what is new r2
2017-05-26T11:51:18 < crt> sam
2017-05-26T11:51:19 < crt> e
2017-05-26T11:51:25 < crt> they're just debited out of my account
2017-05-26T11:51:28 < crt> its so good
2017-05-26T11:51:31 < crt> i never forget to pay them
2017-05-26T11:51:50 < crt> and that's fucken heaps sick
2017-05-26T11:52:16 < crt> yeah muscles
2017-05-26T11:52:31 < crt> where's stefn
2017-05-26T11:55:32 < crt> yeah muscles
2017-05-26T11:55:34 < crt> what are you doing mate
2017-05-26T11:55:47 < Thorn> wtf is going on with nrf52840. they released the preview DK half a year ago but there is still no final version
2017-05-26T11:56:17 < crt> yeah muscles
2017-05-26T11:56:43 < crt> nobody else talks to me on irc
2017-05-26T11:56:52 < crt> they've either blocked me or gone mad or are in jail
2017-05-26T11:57:08 < Steffanx> Isnt that special is it Thorn? Isnt the stm32H7 in "preview" much longer now?
2017-05-26T11:57:33 < crt> yeah
2017-05-26T11:57:44 < crt> where is thorn
2017-05-26T11:57:55 < crt> i reckon
2017-05-26T11:57:58 < Thorn> it's the only nordick product with USB
2017-05-26T11:58:58  * crt lights a cigarette
2017-05-26T11:59:14 < Thorn> R2COM are you 12
2017-05-26T11:59:52 < Thorn> 13?
2017-05-26T12:00:11 < crt> lol
2017-05-26T12:00:47 < crt> i enjoy a smoke after sex
2017-05-26T12:01:02 < crt> generally just to talk nonsense in pm with steffan
2017-05-26T12:02:23 < Thorn> R2COM I found the perfect computer chair for you http://icswaco.com/images/products/detail/RestraintChair.JPG
2017-05-26T12:03:11 < crt> lol
2017-05-26T12:03:23 < Thorn> I'm a cat https://pp.userapi.com/c639629/v639629359/223aa/2bkRwm9DyQM.jpg
2017-05-26T12:03:30 < crt> i'd love to chat offtopic somewhere else
2017-05-26T12:03:38 < crt> don't want to spoil innovation
2017-05-26T12:03:49 < Steffanx> ##offtopic32
2017-05-26T12:04:07 < crt> ##steffans-bondage-camp
2017-05-26T12:04:40 < crt> nalgy
2017-05-26T12:04:43 < crt> gjiosd
2017-05-26T12:04:45 < crt> who cares
2017-05-26T12:04:56 < crt> mosfets
2017-05-26T12:05:01 < crt> who likes mossfetz
2017-05-26T12:05:08 < crt> me too
2017-05-26T12:05:13 < crt> what is your favourite mosfet
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2017-05-26T12:05:41 < Steffanx> Go to your room
2017-05-26T12:12:31 < zyp> aww
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2017-05-26T12:16:07 < crt> welcome
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2017-05-26T12:23:40 < crt> attn dongs - <catphish> damn, just spotted a passive on my PCB that's only connected on one side :( why you do this to me kicad
2017-05-26T12:26:28 < Steffanx> Blame kicad for this own incompetence?
2017-05-26T12:26:50 < Steffanx> -t
2017-05-26T12:27:44 < crt> lol
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2017-05-26T12:39:34 < jpa-> yeah, i can't see how kicad drc/erc would miss that
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2017-05-26T12:45:19 < crt> indeed
2017-05-26T12:49:58 < crt> Steffanx:
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2017-05-26T13:00:03 < Thorn> kittencad
2017-05-26T13:00:10 < crt> prr
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2017-05-26T13:16:13 < Steffanx> Crt.
2017-05-26T13:16:19 < crt> hi sire
2017-05-26T13:16:22 < Steffanx> .
2017-05-26T13:16:23 < crt> *sir
2017-05-26T13:16:25 < crt> ihusdfiu
2017-05-26T13:16:26 < crt> ]'['
2017-05-26T13:16:30 < crt> o/
2017-05-26T13:16:32 < crt> What's up
2017-05-26T13:17:56 < Steffanx> Sky.
2017-05-26T13:18:05 < crt> hi
2017-05-26T13:18:09 < Steffanx> And i actually started looking into my ultrasonic anemometer again (deja vu)
2017-05-26T13:18:19 < crt> did you ever think of who built the sky son
2017-05-26T13:19:38 < Steffanx> Sure.
2017-05-26T13:19:42 < Steffanx> or what.
2017-05-26T13:20:34 < crt> or
2017-05-26T13:20:35 < crt> well
2017-05-26T13:20:40 < crt> think about the cats mate
2017-05-26T13:25:55 < Steffanx> ok
2017-05-26T13:27:01 < crt> meow
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2017-05-26T14:02:35 < crt> dongs has a daughter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXpfcZy2Sk
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2017-05-26T14:45:21 < Rob235> what is MoCA? with fios can you get a moca adapter and connect it to any coax cable in the house to extend wired internet?
2017-05-26T14:46:27 < karlp> stupid american internet distribution systems
2017-05-26T14:47:51 < Rob235> seems better than Powerline
2017-05-26T14:49:25 < Rob235> damn why are they so expensive though, 75-100
2017-05-26T14:50:30 < fest> it allows reusing coaxial cables originally wired for tv?
2017-05-26T14:50:53 < crt> better get to keiling crt
2017-05-26T14:50:55 < crt> hi Tectu
2017-05-26T14:51:39 < Tectu> hi
2017-05-26T14:51:59 < crt> what's new
2017-05-26T14:52:11 < Tectu> nothing
2017-05-26T14:52:11 < Tectu> there?
2017-05-26T14:54:04 < crt> same old
2017-05-26T14:54:10 < crt> haters gonna hate
2017-05-26T14:54:14 < crt> gators gonna gate.
2017-05-26T14:54:30 < crt> they're deporting me mate
2017-05-26T14:54:42 < crt> i'm getting sent to the UK so I can capture julian assange
2017-05-26T14:55:06 < crt> ask Steffanx i'm not joking
2017-05-26T14:55:47 < karlp> fucking fuck. working scons header generator thing form the test project doesn't work in "real" project. no idea why
2017-05-26T14:55:55 < karlp> scons --tree doesn't even show it as being referenced.
2017-05-26T14:56:06 < Steffanx> He's joking Tectu.
2017-05-26T14:56:31 < Tectu> ;-)
2017-05-26T15:00:39 < fest> damn, open-source dildo is not going to happen http://www.comingle.io/news/sorry-the-mod-is-cancelled/ :(
2017-05-26T15:02:31 < karlp> right.... stupid build path deps again.
2017-05-26T15:02:33 < karlp> fantastic.
2017-05-26T15:02:57 < crt> oh you're not using windows
2017-05-26T15:03:05 < fest> karlp: out-of-tree builds with scons?
2017-05-26T15:03:07 < Steffanx> is this a work project? It seems you colleagues are going to have great fun
2017-05-26T15:03:13 < karlp> Steffanx: that is a concern yes.
2017-05-26T15:03:21 < karlp> but they would have had as much fun with the makefile ball of string too.
2017-05-26T15:03:36 < karlp> fest: no, variant builds and generated paths
2017-05-26T15:03:46 < karlp> hrm. my test project has the variant builds too though, not sure why it worked there.
2017-05-26T15:04:12 < fest> ah, fun fun fun
2017-05-26T15:05:16 < fest> on a semi-related note, I recently converted a project from sw4stm32 (eclipse) to https://github.com/ObKo/stm32-cmake
2017-05-26T15:05:29 < fest> works quite well
2017-05-26T15:05:46 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/scons-test-variants/blob/master/project/SConstruct#L52 isn't working for me in the "real" project
2017-05-26T15:05:54 < karlp> yeah, I've not been happy with cmake at all.
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2017-05-26T15:10:01 < fest> it has worked better than scons for me (although I do like the idea of pythonic build system)
2017-05-26T15:10:09 < fest> but that's probably because I was too stupid for scons
2017-05-26T15:24:12 < karlp> hrm, must have just typed smething wrong or something, rebuilt it and it works now as it did in the test project.
2017-05-26T15:26:59 < crt> i had sex with a dog
2017-05-26T15:27:01 < crt> jk
2017-05-26T15:27:19 < Ultrasauce> if you need me, i'll be in my lab
2017-05-26T15:27:49 < crt> yessir
2017-05-26T15:28:31 < Thorn> heisenmake.exe
2017-05-26T15:28:46 < Steffanx> Are you pinky or the brains crt?
2017-05-26T15:28:55 < crt> capaciotr
2017-05-26T15:45:59 < Rob235> I'm pinky
2017-05-26T15:49:19 < crt> tectus mates
2017-05-26T15:49:21 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cYeHd31N/IMG_1514.JPG
2017-05-26T15:50:49 < Steffanx> Better get dutch class d amplifiers
2017-05-26T15:50:58 < crt> the plant
2017-05-26T15:51:17 < crt> the magnetics
2017-05-26T15:51:45 < crt> VCAs
2017-05-26T15:51:49 < crt> cool
2017-05-26T15:52:04 < crt> matsushitas omrons
2017-05-26T15:52:05 < crt> et
2017-05-26T15:52:08 < crt> c
2017-05-26T15:52:39 < crt> maintained a rig of 30 labgruppen amsp
2017-05-26T15:52:42 < crt> *amps
2017-05-26T15:52:53 < crt> guess how many died?
2017-05-26T15:53:02 < BrainDamage> does that actually work on clients?
2017-05-26T15:53:14 < crt> 0
2017-05-26T15:53:17 < crt> yes.
2017-05-26T15:53:40 < BrainDamage> but why do you have to practice in the channel?
2017-05-26T15:54:02 < crt> sick of seeing garbage out on the field
2017-05-26T15:54:22 < crt> so much shit goes into landfill
2017-05-26T15:55:59 < crt> sustainability
2017-05-26T16:03:25 < crt> the dog and his equations
2017-05-26T16:05:07 < Steffanx> better find yourself a new field of work
2017-05-26T16:05:29 < crt> just did
2017-05-26T16:06:07 < crt> can i mow your lawn?
2017-05-26T16:16:21 < Thorn> can you have dielectric breakdown in vacuum?
2017-05-26T16:21:46 < BrainDamage> yes, but what's breaking is not the vacuum
2017-05-26T16:22:08 < BrainDamage> you'll be ripping out ions out of the electrode's plates
2017-05-26T16:22:30 < BrainDamage> then those travel into the vacuum
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2017-05-26T16:25:47 < Thorn> that's what I thought
2017-05-26T16:25:48 < Thorn> thanks
2017-05-26T16:27:00 < crt> Pump
2017-05-26T16:27:26 < englishman> can you have trielectric breakdown in vacuum?
2017-05-26T16:29:51 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uBP0Tkiz/IMG_1310.JPG
2017-05-26T16:30:00 < BrainDamage> only with Placebo© grade amplifiers
2017-05-26T16:31:39 < crt> 6L6GC
2017-05-26T16:32:29 < BrainDamage> 12AX7
2017-05-26T16:33:17 < crt> The fucken dual triode
2017-05-26T16:33:44 < crt> Better get some kinkless tetrodes
2017-05-26T16:34:05 < BrainDamage> no kink shaming here
2017-05-26T16:35:13 < crt> Leo
2017-05-26T16:35:17 < crt> Lel
2017-05-26T16:35:23 < crt> Have a pentode mate
2017-05-26T16:36:00 < crt> Secondary emission is a dog
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2017-05-26T16:37:43 < qyx> I don$t get that stm32 humour
2017-05-26T16:37:47 < qyx> not enough dongs
2017-05-26T16:37:59 < crt> Welcome ba k
2017-05-26T16:38:16 < BrainDamage> it's not humour, just being bored
2017-05-26T16:38:26 < crt> Laurence is our top comedian
2017-05-26T16:38:30 < crt> Always funny
2017-05-26T16:39:02 < crt> 2nd place definitely stffn
2017-05-26T16:40:26 < crt> Chocolate is so much better than heroin
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2017-05-26T16:59:24 < Rob235> wtf, switching from ethernet to coax makes the connection go from 100mbit down/ 115mbit up to 40-70 down/10 up
2017-05-26T17:03:17 < Rob235> oh nvm
2017-05-26T17:03:27 < Rob235> its because they closed the door to the room the router is in...
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2017-05-26T17:53:57 < karlp> heh. hacked a makefile addon to scons cos it ws easier than adding it in scons...
2017-05-26T17:54:03 < karlp> oh dear, where have we gone now.
2017-05-26T17:55:10 < karlp> https://www.seeedstudio.com/gallery-detail.html?gallery_id=1000665&utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=edm&utm_campaign=new_0525
2017-05-26T17:55:16 < karlp> at least I'm not using IE
2017-05-26T17:58:08 < englishman> lol
2017-05-26T17:58:37 < englishman> default EAGLE typeface
2017-05-26T17:59:05 < sync> so edgy
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2017-05-26T18:35:26 < Rob235> yessss, finally got the fios router up here, I can finally set up the network how I want it and not worry about crappy connection
2017-05-26T18:35:47 < Rob235> or waste $100 on a coax or powerline adapter
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2017-05-26T18:46:46 < Steffanx> why not cat5/6/whatever?
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2017-05-26T19:47:31 < jpa-> does this sound like a reasonable plan:   1. have STM32 identify as USB ethernet adapter   2. pick an ipv6 address in private use area   3. present some http/json API at that IP   4. when browsed to that address, load a html5 gui app from internet, which will access the device through the API
2017-05-26T19:48:01 < jpa-> seems like that should give very portable gui config access, and also API as a free bonus
2017-05-26T19:49:33 < englishman> sure but why stm32 and not esp1488 or orangepi or something with lunix
2017-05-26T19:49:50 < englishman> or is the point to not have network access
2017-05-26T19:50:17 < englishman> wouldn't that imply the host also has some route in place to it? that might not be default / change on each host
2017-05-26T19:50:58 < englishman> so you have stm32 hosting http and using its api
2017-05-26T19:50:58 < jpa-> because stm32 makes sense for the device itself (from price, power usage, realtimeness etc. point of view).. having config interface using custom windows app or usb serial port or similar seems just so stupid
2017-05-26T19:51:01 < karlp> englishman: usb becomes the network connection
2017-05-26T19:51:08 < karlp> soundsd pretty clever to me.
2017-05-26T19:51:16 < Thorn> is the ip address going to be routable
2017-05-26T19:51:21 < karlp> a little bit of mdns and you can maybe make it quite nice.
2017-05-26T19:51:28 < karlp> ip doesn't need to be anymore than linklocal
2017-05-26T19:51:34 < jpa-> ah yeah, mdns would be nice
2017-05-26T19:51:43 < englishman> sounds like a big burden on the stm32
2017-05-26T19:52:03 < karlp> well, sure, but it's either that or native apps
2017-05-26T19:52:13 < jpa-> yeah, not sure how complex it will be on the stm32 side
2017-05-26T19:52:32 < englishman> doesn't chrome want to expose usb devices to the internet tho
2017-05-26T19:52:47 < karlp> sort of. only for things like webcams and shit
2017-05-26T19:52:51 < englishman> ah
2017-05-26T19:52:59 < karlp> I don't think anyone's been proposing, "here's libusb wrapped up in js"
2017-05-26T19:53:09 < englishman> well that is what i understood
2017-05-26T19:53:15 < englishman> as it's already implemented in their chrome apps
2017-05-26T19:53:26 < jpa-> should look more into USB ECM to see how complex it would be.. but i think i don't even need to handle dhcp, icmp nor anything like that, and even the tcp implementation can be very very basic
2017-05-26T19:53:44 < englishman> yeah not if you have static ip
2017-05-26T19:53:54 < englishman> it's a pretty interesting idea
2017-05-26T19:54:04 < jpa-> yeah chrome apps have usb access, that's my option B
2017-05-26T19:54:11 < englishman> though might require some funky host setup
2017-05-26T19:54:29 < englishman> keep in mind tho chrome apps will be deprecated
2017-05-26T19:54:40 < englishman> only a few months left
2017-05-26T19:54:49 < jpa-> oh? typical google :P
2017-05-26T19:54:55 < englishman> yep
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2017-05-26T19:55:25 < Steffanx> Why? Is it bad to kill of something when its not used often.
2017-05-26T19:55:35 < jpa-> i'm hoping to require no host setup, except perhaps some driver shit on windows
2017-05-26T19:56:03 < englishman> well not used often is relative
2017-05-26T19:56:03 < jpa-> Steffanx: not really, but when there is no alternative and someone may rely on it..
2017-05-26T19:56:09 < englishman> there are millions of chrome app users
2017-05-26T19:56:14 < Steffanx> lies.
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2017-05-26T19:56:18 < englishman> google thinks that is insignificant
2017-05-26T19:56:21 < karlp> "this didn't monetise the way we thought it would"
2017-05-26T19:56:39 < englishman> also this
2017-05-26T19:56:45 < Thorn> they wanted to run android apps in chrome iirc
2017-05-26T19:56:55 < Steffanx> On the amount of chrome users it might be insignificant.
2017-05-26T19:56:59 < zyp> jpa-, I've thought about that approach before
2017-05-26T19:57:01 < Thorn> what happened to that
2017-05-26T19:57:04 < englishman> right
2017-05-26T19:57:11 < englishman> but millions of users is still a lot.
2017-05-26T19:57:15 < zyp> webusb also sounds interesting, and a lot simpler
2017-05-26T19:57:59 < zyp> but I'm not sure it's ready for real use yet
2017-05-26T19:59:16 < jpa-> though webusb doesn't solve the API part.. i kind of want an API that any kind of newbie coder can access easily
2017-05-26T19:59:30 < zyp> you just make a wrapper over webusb
2017-05-26T19:59:39 < zyp> just like any api built on libusb
2017-05-26T19:59:45 < jpa-> http seems like something that should be available in pretty much any language, and lot easier than libusb
2017-05-26T20:00:06 < jpa-> yeah, but then i need an interface between crazy language X and my webusb wrapper
2017-05-26T20:00:15 < zyp> oh, other languages
2017-05-26T20:00:19 < zyp> then just libusb is nice
2017-05-26T20:00:38 < zyp> but yeah, you have a point, if you want random shit to interface directly
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2017-05-26T20:02:36 < jpa-> seems that USB ECM just transfers ethernet frames through bulk endpoint, terminating with zero-length-packet; should be easy enough to interface into lwip or similar
2017-05-26T20:03:22 < karlp> iirc someone in #libopencm3 did this.
2017-05-26T20:03:28 < karlp> perhaps one of the unicore-mx guys.
2017-05-26T20:03:42 < karlp> not the webapi stuff, but had a usb-ecm implementation demo
2017-05-26T20:03:53 < karlp> or eem, not sure which
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2017-05-26T20:04:49 < jpa-> what i'd like to know beforehand is whether windows supports USB ECM (or some other) without separate driver installation, or atleast with just .inf
2017-05-26T20:05:01 < jpa-> but i'm totally noob on how drivers are nowadays handled on windows 10 anyway
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2017-05-26T20:07:16 < englishman> pretty sure dongs is actually an expert on this
2017-05-26T20:07:41 < englishman> windows has its own usb ethernet thing
2017-05-26T20:08:31 < jpa-> yeah rndis
2017-05-26T20:08:31 < englishman> RNDIS?
2017-05-26T20:08:35 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-26T20:12:51 < jpa-> https://github.com/samyk/poisontap/issues/8   looks relevant
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2017-05-26T20:18:36 < englishman> lunix developer in the wild http://i.imgur.com/nDSXEpw.gifv
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2017-05-26T20:20:44 < Steffanx> no that is r2com
2017-05-26T20:21:01 < Steffanx> i was tempted to post it here this morning, but .. meh :P
2017-05-26T20:21:23 < englishman> r2com sure is retarded, eh
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2017-05-26T20:44:42 < Thorn> are there any amplifier topologies that do not waste all the input power but use some of it to drive the output?
2017-05-26T20:46:51 < Thorn> in fact it looks like only the output stage contributes towards output power in any multistage amplifier
2017-05-26T20:49:23 < Streaker> class A with the load on the emitter ?
2017-05-26T20:49:41 < Streaker> this is a weird question
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2017-05-26T20:53:50 < Streaker> Are you trying to amplify current or voltage?
2017-05-26T20:54:01 < Thorn> say you have a 100W signal and want to boost it to 200W but do not want the amplifier to dissipate the 100W or use >200W of supply power
2017-05-26T20:54:32 < Thorn> let's say RF power (into 50Ω)
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2017-05-26T21:11:47 < Streaker> If you don't want the amp to dissipate power then you are limited to class C
2017-05-26T21:13:54 < Streaker> Which is unsuitable for most types of modulation
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2017-05-26T22:03:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbjhVZm90YkREc1k/view?usp=drivesdk fisting gloves received
2017-05-26T22:04:14 < kakimir> as good as description said also dimensions were legit
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2017-05-26T22:17:50 < Thorn> next steps: latex suit, mask, flogger, cock ring
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2017-05-26T22:24:37 < Steffanx>  lol, sexy model kakimir :P
2017-05-26T22:24:46 < Thorn> also latex boots and a ballgag
2017-05-26T22:24:58 < Thorn> (don't worry, ballgags are cheap)
2017-05-26T22:30:52 < tpw_rules> kakimir: i'm confused by the texture?
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2017-05-27T00:57:36 < crt> Hi
2017-05-27T00:58:14 < crt> The sodded components
2017-05-27T00:58:58 < karlp> those gloves are fucking ace kakimir
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2017-05-27T01:19:43 < crt> gloves?
2017-05-27T01:27:09 < ohsix> sexycyborg got a bunch of make magazine people to bite today
2017-05-27T01:27:30 < crt> karlp: my fingers are frozen
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2017-05-27T02:55:27 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/9riAZPwLw3wRXG04jtGsy24G2ZEAfJo1tcNKjBW2f1k.jpg?w=546&s=09ff464484e156083880182fbfb480e9
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2017-05-27T03:04:29 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/868252942922432512 heh
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2017-05-27T03:41:21 < crt> sup Laurenceb_
2017-05-27T03:41:28 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-05-27T03:41:47 < crt> just got in the shop
2017-05-27T03:41:56 < crt> listening to some frenzal rhomb
2017-05-27T03:42:06 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rVfBTHQ5FY
2017-05-27T03:43:07 < crt> songs about rolf harris prolly
2017-05-27T03:43:15 < crt> 'rofl-harris'
2017-05-27T03:43:32 < crt> i have to make it all better again you see.
2017-05-27T03:49:12 < Laurenceb_> an Australian Hero
2017-05-27T03:51:12 < crt> problem #1: Ebay faggot wants to pick up item he won 15 hours ago, i have a fucking job so that's too bad
2017-05-27T03:51:43 < crt> it's a CRT tv
2017-05-27T03:51:53 < crt> he wanted me to leave it outside while i went to work like rofl
2017-05-27T03:52:04 < crt> going to record a vid of me smashing the fuck out of it and send it to him
2017-05-27T03:52:36 < crt> better ask my neighbour if he has a good sledgehammer
2017-05-27T03:54:27 < crt> problem #2: A client wants me to assist with trying to convince a brand to fix a terrible design which is failing in numbers
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2017-05-27T03:58:14 < crt> guess i pushed him over the edge, RiP lil blaxter
2017-05-27T04:04:07 < aandrew> gazell/shockburst is kind of shit
2017-05-27T04:13:57 < crt> hi mate
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2017-05-27T05:58:58 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/t8f0b425vvzy.png
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2017-05-27T07:47:43 < englishman> aandrew: the hell you say
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2017-05-27T08:18:23 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/eevblog/status/868317448986017792
2017-05-27T08:18:38 < ohsix> if you were waiting for this to put it on a cock or whatever, it's here
2017-05-27T08:21:17 < ohsix> aandrew: orly (gazelle/shockburst) how did you find out
2017-05-27T08:21:38 < ohsix> i got some nrf24 with a pa thing on it, haven't got to using them yet
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2017-05-27T08:44:17 < crt> Hi
2017-05-27T08:44:41 < crt> Where is englishcat
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2017-05-27T08:56:27 < englishman> helping me work http://i.imgur.com/pKpzI75.jpg
2017-05-27T08:56:46 < crt> Ty
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2017-05-27T09:21:23 < ohsix> burp
2017-05-27T09:25:16 < crt> Any news on the Japanese project Englishman
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2017-05-27T09:49:18 < englishman> yes
2017-05-27T09:49:37 < ohsix> am i missing text or did i put too many channels in this window
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2017-05-27T10:03:08 < crt> Ye
2017-05-27T10:03:26 < crt> Does lildongs inspect
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2017-05-27T13:16:26 < Thorn> how many W/m should a white 5050 strip (60 led/m) eat?
2017-05-27T13:17:36 < Thorn> I'm getting something like 6.6 W/m
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2017-05-27T13:26:09 < Thorn> got 9.6 W/m when powered from both ends (5m)
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2017-05-27T15:45:59 < crt> I like
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2017-05-27T15:47:15 < crt> Laurenceb: I lost my iPod
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2017-05-27T16:02:05 < Rob235> people still have iPods?
2017-05-27T16:21:02 < kakimir> where would they lose them?
2017-05-27T16:21:44 < kakimir> I think ipod is like a bit trending atm.
2017-05-27T16:23:57 < Steffanx> ipod like the real old one wiht hdd?
2017-05-27T16:24:51 < aandrew> nah there are ipods that look like smaller iphones but hace the same os/touch/etc
2017-05-27T16:27:56 < Steffanx> i know, i owned one :P
2017-05-27T16:28:05 < crt> Steffan gen 2 nano
2017-05-27T16:29:19 < crt> So fun
2017-05-27T16:29:26 < Steffanx> where is fun?
2017-05-27T16:29:37 < crt> iPod
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2017-05-27T16:39:31 < kakimir> I think ones with color displays and enought of storage
2017-05-27T16:40:11 < kakimir> hdd or flash
2017-05-27T16:41:04 < kakimir> not the very first one steffanx.. doesnt it have like.. 500mb hdd or so
2017-05-27T16:41:31 < kakimir> would be out dated
2017-05-27T16:42:10 < kakimir> beyond technology horizon
2017-05-27T16:42:26 < crt> Ok
2017-05-27T16:44:27 < kakimir> I bet some gentoo hippy still uses such daily
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2017-05-27T17:03:45 < kakimir> 1 gentoo hippy probs died for my comment
2017-05-27T17:06:54 < Steffanx> awh
2017-05-27T17:07:29 < munki> This is great to know, I hardly knew it was possible, but regarding Microsoft I'm more on a meta level, as I consider Microsoft as a bug in itself. I simply do not believe in the concept of proprietary software.
2017-05-27T17:08:34 < Steffanx> What did you say munki? All i read was: Blaa bl blaaa bl blaa, b blaaa.. :P
2017-05-27T17:09:02 < Steffanx> nothing personal, its just my rant filter that kicked in.
2017-05-27T17:18:06 < Thorn> munki: you should not go anywhere near dongs. if you two annihilate we're all going to get irradiated with gamma rays
2017-05-27T17:18:07 < englishman> munki is on the wrong network, steffan
2017-05-27T17:18:34 < englishman> he has forgotten that this is not a trolling safe space
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2017-05-27T17:20:58 < kakimir> they really did atleast start by selling bugs for quarter of the price competitors did or something
2017-05-27T17:21:48 < kakimir> then they got monopoly and they sold bugs to everyone
2017-05-27T17:23:18 < kakimir> nowdays fine tuned botnet platform basically as free handout
2017-05-27T17:24:15 < kakimir> slash adware platform
2017-05-27T17:26:43 < Steffanx> Reminds he how this large botnet was all lunix based cameras.
2017-05-27T17:26:46 < Steffanx> oh shit i should not say that.
2017-05-27T17:37:19 < Laurenceb_> when the internets leak into real life http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/the-vegan-vandals-are-graffitiing-herts-nature-reserves/story-30356146-detail/story.html
2017-05-27T17:39:37 < Steffanx> Hi Laurenceb_, how is your day
2017-05-27T17:39:46 < Laurenceb_> too hot
2017-05-27T17:40:10 < Steffanx> Yes you are sexy. But that's not a state of mind.
2017-05-27T17:40:19 < Steffanx> Not really at least.
2017-05-27T17:40:32 < kakimir> how it can be hot
2017-05-27T17:40:45 < kakimir> at this time of year
2017-05-27T17:40:49 < Steffanx> Its hot here too.
2017-05-27T17:40:59 < englishman> !wz dutchland
2017-05-27T17:41:00 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-05-27T17:41:10 < Steffanx> !wz the netherlands
2017-05-27T17:41:11 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-05-27T17:41:14 < Steffanx> !wz holland
2017-05-27T17:41:14 < dieforirc> Invalid API key.
2017-05-27T17:41:19 < Steffanx> !wz netherlands
2017-05-27T17:41:20 < dieforirc> [Netherlands New Guinea, Indonesia] Fog. Temp is 18°C. Humidity: 92%.
2017-05-27T17:41:21 < Steffanx> lolz
2017-05-27T17:41:23 < englishman> lol
2017-05-27T17:41:24 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-05-27T17:41:29 < Steffanx> !wz holland
2017-05-27T17:41:30 < kakimir> !wz efku
2017-05-27T17:41:31 < dieforirc> [EFKU, Finland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 7°C but feels like 4°C. WSW wind: 13 kph. Humidity: 61%.
2017-05-27T17:41:33 < dieforirc> [EFKU, Finland] Clear. Temp is 20.3°C. Humidity: 71%.
2017-05-27T17:41:36 < englishman> I stopped drinking cow's milk when I realized I wasn't a baby cow.
2017-05-27T17:41:40 < Steffanx> !wz holland
2017-05-27T17:41:41 < dieforirc> [Holland, Michigan] Clear. Temp is 20.3°C. Humidity: 71%.
2017-05-27T17:41:46 < Steffanx> racist bot.
2017-05-27T17:41:50 < englishman> !wz zwolle
2017-05-27T17:41:51 < dieforirc> [Zwolle, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 30.6°C. SE wind: 6.0 kph.
2017-05-27T17:41:55 < englishman> hot
2017-05-27T17:42:00 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-05-27T17:42:11 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2017-05-27T17:42:12 < dieforirc> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 33.6°C. SSE wind: 12.1 kph.
2017-05-27T17:42:18 < Steffanx> ^ more like it.
2017-05-27T17:42:20 < kakimir> 30 :d
2017-05-27T17:42:26 < englishman> 34
2017-05-27T17:42:27 < englishman> ouch
2017-05-27T17:42:28 < kakimir> 33 shii
2017-05-27T17:42:50 < kakimir> cant say it wasnt summer now
2017-05-27T17:43:26 < englishman> it will be a nice 22C this afternoon and i will mow the lawns and have a cigar
2017-05-27T17:43:47 < Steffanx> Dont do cigars. Fuck it. Dont.
2017-05-27T17:44:01 < Steffanx> or just to burn the lawn/grass?
2017-05-27T17:44:27 < englishman> no i got them in cuba a few years ago
2017-05-27T17:47:43 < Steffanx> Would a 12 pin wson package with thermal pad be hard to hand solder ( sodder for the yankees)?
2017-05-27T17:50:16 < englishman> with hotair, no
2017-05-27T17:54:49 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/epDTO4j
2017-05-27T17:55:22 < Laurenceb_> really makes you think
2017-05-27T18:03:12 < kakimir> please no imgur
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2017-05-27T18:12:48 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/gallery/3sNPQvV
2017-05-27T18:31:54 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/a/w6cPA iphone seems to be smart about white balance
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2017-05-27T19:10:25 < Thorn> resistance of 5m of led strip is 0.94Ω
2017-05-27T19:23:21 < kakimir> can you really say that without voltage
2017-05-27T19:25:50 < kakimir> not purelly resistive load at all
2017-05-27T19:26:54 < Thorn> I mean trace resistance, with leds off
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2017-05-27T19:44:31 < kakimir> oh
2017-05-27T19:44:37 < kakimir> that is resistive
2017-05-27T19:51:06 < Thorn> you mean linear
2017-05-27T20:04:47 < kakimir> resistive load
2017-05-27T20:13:44 < branjb> why is ##electronics such a nazi channel
2017-05-27T20:13:56 < branjb> can i use three 33uF ceramic caps as a bypass cap to replace a 100uF aluminum cap, accepting poorer performance?  or will that not work how i want it to?
2017-05-27T20:14:18 < sync> why not, I guess
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2017-05-27T20:15:14 < branjb> cool
2017-05-27T20:15:19 < Thorn> ceramics should have much lowr esr so why would performance be poorer
2017-05-27T20:15:20 < branjb> i'm only vaguely familiar with the idea that different types of caps are better for different uses
2017-05-27T20:15:26 < branjb> idk
2017-05-27T20:16:12 < branjb> because people generally use AL caps for smps
2017-05-27T20:16:16 < Thorn> unless your circuit has a lower liimt on esr but that can be fixed with a series resistor
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2017-05-27T20:17:46 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22rzr9j1D1Q
2017-05-27T20:19:28 < branjb> heh ceramic caps start getting really big past 10uF too
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2017-05-27T21:36:53 < englishman> https://youtu.be/PsCqmotxyME?t=1m05s
2017-05-27T21:38:33 < kOStiX> hey guys, can anyone advice me how would one go about using a microsd in a commercial application host device which would be sold in like 200 pieces? What kinda licensing is there involved? We are looking into microSD or USB, what would be the cheapest legal option to have a host app/hardware device making use of the said memories?
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2017-05-27T21:57:30 < kakimir> you are free to use your microsd for whatever you want
2017-05-27T21:57:36 < kakimir> in spi mode
2017-05-27T21:58:44 < kakimir> in propiertary mode you need to have licence
2017-05-27T22:00:38 < Steffanx> do you have a actual source for that kakimir?
2017-05-27T22:01:18 < kOStiX> are you sure? i was reading some forums yesterday and some guys had a discussion bout this someone said what you said, but then someone else said that it doesnt matter if spi or sd interface, a license is needed
2017-05-27T22:01:51 < jpa-> for 200 pieces, no-one is going to care
2017-05-27T22:02:12 < kOStiX> even if its a kickstarter project?
2017-05-27T22:02:23 < kakimir> i just made it up uncle steff
2017-05-27T22:02:36 < branjb> well if it's a kickstarter project it'll prob be a non issue when it doesn't actually ship
2017-05-27T22:02:43 < jpa-> AFAIK kaimis is correct that spi mode doesn't need a license
2017-05-27T22:02:50 < jpa-> *kakimir
2017-05-27T22:03:33 < kOStiX> the idea is to work enough to make it ship hehe
2017-05-27T22:06:05 < kOStiX> i wonder what would be considered to use the propietary interface.. like if i designed the hardware SD interface on an fpga, or it would be the same if i used say a STM32F7 with the built in sd interface
2017-05-27T22:06:39 < Steffanx> the protocol.. i guess
2017-05-27T22:07:09 < Steffanx> this post disagrees jpa-: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/5628/do-i-need-to-pay-royalties-to-the-sd-card-people-if-my-device-just-happens-to (answer with most votes)
2017-05-27T22:07:19 < Steffanx> but internet might be wrong
2017-05-27T22:10:16 < jpa-> just usual patent shit, of course the patent holders don't tell you that you don't infringe
2017-05-27T22:10:59 < jpa-> same as MPEG LA says that you cannot use any kind of video compression without paying them
2017-05-27T22:14:34 < kOStiX> i see, just read the page
2017-05-27T22:15:11 < kOStiX> and what about using usb memory sticks?
2017-05-27T22:24:07 < kakimir> there are interface chips for sd cards
2017-05-27T22:24:24 < kakimir> that pay whatever you need to do with sd
2017-05-27T22:24:58 < kakimir> licence is binded to the chip you buy
2017-05-27T22:25:35 < kOStiX> thats what i wonder.. id be using the STM32F7 which has the SDIO interface
2017-05-27T22:26:08 < kOStiX> so wonder if that is covered by ST then
2017-05-27T22:37:17 < branjb> how do you zero the altium dx/dy tool while moving objects?
2017-05-27T22:39:57 < branjb> nm, insert key
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2017-05-27T23:06:40 < kakimir> k0stiX read St app notes etc
2017-05-27T23:06:49 < kakimir> datasheet
2017-05-27T23:06:59 < kakimir> then contact them
2017-05-27T23:07:47 < kakimir> there possibly can be more expensive chip with licence
2017-05-27T23:08:08 < kakimir> physically not different from anither one
2017-05-27T23:15:00 < Rob235> oh Tim Buchalka
2017-05-27T23:15:05 < Rob235> I want to stab thee
2017-05-27T23:21:23 < Rob235> 10 hours of his Australian accent in the past few days, only 23 hours left...
2017-05-27T23:29:10 < kOStiX> kakimir, cool, i see thanks
2017-05-27T23:29:14 < kOStiX> ill look into that stuff
2017-05-27T23:31:59 < Steffanx> Rob235: ya mate.
2017-05-27T23:32:18 < Rob235> :o
2017-05-27T23:33:48 < Steffanx> lol, what's up mate.
2017-05-27T23:34:04 < Rob235> just learning java
2017-05-27T23:34:28 < Rob235> the complete java masterclass on udemy
2017-05-27T23:35:30 < kakimir> kOStiX: peeps here should know they fiddle with such chip quite a lot
2017-05-27T23:35:40 < Thorn> hope you didn't buy it for full price
2017-05-27T23:36:11 < Rob235> nope
2017-05-27T23:37:38 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMnMtejlsQURKcWM/view?usp=sharing roller catch
2017-05-27T23:39:02 < Steffanx> Does it beep before you can open it or .. what is that beep?
2017-05-27T23:40:03 < kakimir> that would be cool
2017-05-27T23:40:11 < kakimir> like microwave oven
2017-05-27T23:40:48 < kakimir> it's my phone
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2017-05-28T00:34:27 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13jcdyXZif8 Laurenceb Trumps handshake game is beyond genious
2017-05-28T00:59:39 < Steffanx> i liked this one kakimir: http://media.dumpert.nl/foto/3f7401ac_DAqYxG9XUAERuHM.gif.gif
2017-05-28T00:59:45 < kakimir> first neglect then dominate with crazy shake
2017-05-28T01:00:20 < kakimir> Steffanx: is that realp+
2017-05-28T01:00:30 < Steffanx> it cant be
2017-05-28T01:08:18 < kakimir> one kind of handshake dominating is have your hand higher and pull down hand you shake
2017-05-28T01:08:49 < kakimir> and then there is trump handshake
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2017-05-28T01:32:34 < crt> Laurenceb_:
2017-05-28T01:36:39 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-05-28T01:40:18 < crt> Well
2017-05-28T01:41:01 < crt> Just gonna do some shopping
2017-05-28T01:41:20 < crt> Wonder where my cats are
2017-05-28T01:41:29 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_, steffanx dating service wants to hook you up with crt. When and where can you meet?
2017-05-28T01:45:21 < crt> Heh
2017-05-28T01:49:21 < crt> I want to find the queen
2017-05-28T01:49:37 < crt> I heard she sinks beers at the local pub
2017-05-28T01:50:51 < crt> Talk about how she knighted Jimmy Savile
2017-05-28T01:54:37 < englishman> kOStiX: is it spi mode? are you putting sd card logos on your product?
2017-05-28T01:55:03 < englishman> any reason it has to be sd cards and not mmc?
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2017-05-28T01:55:56 < crt> Hi englishman
2017-05-28T01:56:12 < englishman> a hoy hoy
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2017-05-28T01:56:24 < crt> I had a dream about cats
2017-05-28T01:57:09 < englishman> did you wake up with your mouth full of your own pubic hair
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2017-05-28T01:58:16 < kakimir> I had a dream were I woke up being spoon'd by a man
2017-05-28T01:58:44 < crt> Cool
2017-05-28T01:58:52 < crt> englishman: nah
2017-05-28T01:58:52 < kakimir> and I really couldn't escape
2017-05-28T01:59:00 < crt> Just woke up like usual
2017-05-28T01:59:02 < kakimir> but then I woke up
2017-05-28T02:00:40 < kakimir> in my lonely cold bed so I must have reached the reality layer
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2017-05-28T02:02:05 < englishman> cheer up kaks
2017-05-28T02:03:51 < kakimir> it is relief after all englishman
2017-05-28T02:03:54 < kakimir> often
2017-05-28T02:06:04 < crt> kakimir why don't you have an Asian girlfriend
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2017-05-28T02:07:39 < crt> You could import a foxxconn slave and make you LEDs at home
2017-05-28T02:08:44 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xieNM469mNg oh.. they are the same in any nations army
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2017-05-28T02:13:18 < kakimir> crt: you have asian gf?
2017-05-28T02:23:48 < kakimir> sleep>
2017-05-28T02:31:24 < crt> Never dated one nor hooked up with one
2017-05-28T02:35:15 < branjb> why doesn't polygon pour connect pads in altium?
2017-05-28T02:35:16 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/0Pd8n
2017-05-28T02:35:27 < branjb> i did it once then it didn't work again
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2017-05-28T03:12:10 < englishman> do you have a pour there for that (unnamed) ney
2017-05-28T03:12:12 < englishman> Net
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2017-05-28T03:48:53 < munki> englishman: you're violating my safe space
2017-05-28T03:54:58 < englishman> you're welcome bb
2017-05-28T03:59:27 < englishman> great video kaks
2017-05-28T04:00:42 < englishman> the best army recruitment video ive ever seen
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2017-05-28T06:18:18 < crt> steffan is dumping his wife to go to australia and marry me
2017-05-28T06:19:26 < englishman> what, he told me the same thing!
2017-05-28T06:20:33 < crt> duh
2017-05-28T06:20:37 < crt> he's a player man
2017-05-28T06:20:51 < crt> grooms us with the wafels
2017-05-28T06:24:48 < crt> did englishwife like stroopwafel?
2017-05-28T06:24:59 < englishman> much
2017-05-28T06:25:31 < crt> hmm
2017-05-28T06:25:49 < crt> i must employ charlie to acquire some
2017-05-28T06:26:01 < crt> i know of a good fruit veg shop which has them too
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2017-05-28T06:29:28 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/Ls9xi how would you route this so it wasn't shitty?
2017-05-28T06:30:01 < englishman> is it a 1L pcb?
2017-05-28T06:30:06 < branjb> 4
2017-05-28T06:30:14 < englishman> looks like 1 to me
2017-05-28T06:30:39 < branjb> 1L as in one layer?
2017-05-28T06:30:43 < crt> pigged out
2017-05-28T06:30:45 < crt> yeah muscles
2017-05-28T06:31:06 < crt> 1.5l is good
2017-05-28T06:31:28 < crt> cucked out muppet with a drug plane
2017-05-28T06:32:12 < crt> nobody enjoys a shattered groundplane
2017-05-28T06:36:19 < crt> englishmate
2017-05-28T06:41:50 < Rob235> choosing x265 with filters was a bad choice, these videos have been encoding for 2 days straight and im only on 19 of 76, they are only 10-20 min vids too
2017-05-28T06:57:19 < crt> why not put a crt filter on it mate
2017-05-28T06:58:17 < Rob235> then it would finish prematurely, that can be just as bad :)
2017-05-28T06:58:44 < branjb> crt what you drinking tonight?
2017-05-28T06:58:56 < crt> jewish tears
2017-05-28T06:59:08 < branjb> that's expensive tastes mate
2017-05-28T06:59:09 < crt> you sir?
2017-05-28T06:59:14 < branjb> PBR
2017-05-28T06:59:48 < crt> pretty bad rum?
2017-05-28T07:00:08 < crt> paedophile beard regurgitation?
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2017-05-28T07:00:45 < Rob235> pasbsbbst
2017-05-28T07:00:50 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/CihVh
2017-05-28T07:01:25 < branjb> got some ribeye on the barbie
2017-05-28T07:01:34 < crt> fuck yeah
2017-05-28T07:05:42 < aandrew> nice
2017-05-28T07:05:48 < aandrew> I have a steak waiting for the bbq
2017-05-28T07:07:22 < crt> same
2017-05-28T07:07:25 < crt> no barbeque though
2017-05-28T07:07:30 < crt> got a frying pan though
2017-05-28T07:07:34 < englishman> hey aandrew
2017-05-28T07:07:34 < crt> pretty cool hey
2017-05-28T07:07:39 < englishman> how do you like the harper 2.0
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2017-05-28T07:53:05 < crt> the code
2017-05-28T07:53:11 < crt> the code, do you have THE CODE
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2017-05-28T08:04:18 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/868653278338437121
2017-05-28T08:15:52 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/bigpotplant/status/868285963499446272 huehurh
2017-05-28T08:16:00 < ohsix> rode bike like woah today
2017-05-28T08:16:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, saw it, ya cool
2017-05-28T08:17:19 < upgrdman> did you ever replace your fucked scooter
2017-05-28T08:22:38 < upgrdman> branjb, pins 7 and 8 could be routed so they come into the module from behind
2017-05-28T08:23:07 < upgrdman> but not sure if that would be much better
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2017-05-28T08:47:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: ya he's got a 150cc thing now
2017-05-28T08:48:07 < ohsix> and one other that runs but needs a suspension part, and anothe ri haven't looked at yet
2017-05-28T08:48:26 < ohsix> he kind of went a little nuts trying to get another scooter heheh
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2017-05-28T12:14:30 < TheSeven> what exactly does BASEPRI do?
2017-05-28T12:14:50 < TheSeven> does that only allow to *elevate* priority, or can it also drop priority from within an IRQ handler?
2017-05-28T12:15:14 < TheSeven> and if it does the latter, does that allow the IRQ to re-trigger while it's still being handled?
2017-05-28T12:15:47 < TheSeven> I need to resolve a nasty collision of different-priority EXTI lines that map to the same vector :/
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2017-05-28T12:38:23 < jpa-> TheSeven: it allows deciding which interrupts can pre-empt the current interrupt (or thrad)
2017-05-28T12:38:52 < jpa-> but i don't think you can allow lower or same priority to pre-empt
2017-05-28T12:39:26 < TheSeven> if I'm in an IRQ handler and write a higher value (lower priority) to BASEPRI?
2017-05-28T12:39:50 < TheSeven> would that allow the same IRQ, if it has been triggered again, to preempt its own handler?
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2017-05-28T12:42:38 < kakimir> sync: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOExWZTlUeGM1ZVk/view?usp=sharing
2017-05-28T12:43:27 < kakimir> I thinks this is for grain dust
2017-05-28T12:50:10 < ohsix> TheSeven: i don't think it cares about the address in handlers matching
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2017-05-28T12:53:44 < crt> Welcome Steffanx
2017-05-28T12:58:26 < Steffanx> Hello.
2017-05-28T12:58:46 < Steffanx> What can i do for you this day?
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2017-05-28T13:22:16 < Ultrasauce> you may provide chats
2017-05-28T13:24:10 < Steffanx> I have no real chats. Looking for some ultrasonic transducers, but the main stream suppliers ( digikey, farnell etc.) dont seem to have much.
2017-05-28T13:24:21 < ReadError> Steffanx: yea they dont
2017-05-28T13:24:28 < ReadError> ebay pretty common to find the 60w
2017-05-28T13:25:25 < Steffanx> But i dont need 60w. I just need those often use in range fingers/parking assistent stuff in cars.
2017-05-28T13:25:29 < Steffanx> but closed ones.
2017-05-28T13:25:42 < Steffanx> Ebay has some, but without any info. A tiny datasheet would be nice,
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2017-05-28T13:34:06 < ReadError> ohhh
2017-05-28T13:34:13 < ReadError> was thinking a cleaning style transducer
2017-05-28T13:45:37 < Steffanx> :)
2017-05-28T13:52:44 < ReadError> those others are a dime a million though
2017-05-28T13:52:51 < ReadError> the one with 2 and the driver
2017-05-28T13:55:22 < Steffanx> Except when you want a datasheet/some more info than just "40khz" blabla.
2017-05-28T13:56:05 < Steffanx> oh and a closed type transceiver, not those open rx/tx thingies
2017-05-28T14:01:21 < ohsix> you can get a little pcb driver thing for them cheap, just reverse it
2017-05-28T14:05:36 < jpa-> Steffanx: how about   https://www.elfadistrelec.fi/fi/ultraaeaenianturi-sencera-co-ltd-utec4018f/p/17302854?q=40kHz&page=7&origPos=7&origPageSize=50&simi=87.24
2017-05-28T14:06:35 < crt> Hmm
2017-05-28T14:07:04 < jpa-> https://www.distrelec.biz/en/ultrasonic-sensor-sencera-co-ltd-utec4018f/p/17302854   in english :P
2017-05-28T14:07:52 < Steffanx> even in dutch, never heard of it
2017-05-28T14:10:45 < crt> I see
2017-05-28T14:12:10 < Steffanx> Its just that there are so few being sold by the main stream suppliers and often they only sell from a single manufacturer
2017-05-28T14:12:33 < Steffanx> distrelec is Sencera, farnell does prowave..
2017-05-28T14:25:23 < Steffanx> anyway, ty mr jpa-. Didnt see that one yet
2017-05-28T14:27:12 < ReadError> Laurenceb: i c ur fav site, ED, is being sued
2017-05-28T14:37:44 < Streake_> jpa: I bought some of those (second link). They're shit. It's just an aluminum can with a piezoelectric disc glued to the bottom.
2017-05-28T14:40:27 < Streake_> It's not visibly optimised for RX or TX
2017-05-28T14:43:47 < Streake_> not that I know how an ultrasonic transducer should be designed
2017-05-28T14:45:03 < Streake_> but I was expecting the RX to be different than the TX part
2017-05-28T14:46:39 < jpa-> i've used it also, it can do both
2017-05-28T14:47:12 < jpa-> haven't really compared to anything, but it did work for a few meters in air and even better in water
2017-05-28T14:57:55 < Steffanx> it's a Transceiver right? So it's supposed to do both..
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2017-05-28T15:04:28 < Streake_> You don't design a loudspeaker using the same principles as a microphone
2017-05-28T15:05:57 < Streake_> You can use a loudspeaker as a microphone, but it makes for a really shitty microphone.
2017-05-28T15:06:05 < Steffanx> Sure no, but when its a transceiver you have to compromise somewhere right?
2017-05-28T15:07:06 < Streake_> They sell them in pairs as RX and TX device. They can make them different.
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2017-05-28T15:07:57 < Steffanx> https://www.distrelec.biz/en/ultrasonic-sensor-sencera-co-ltd-utec4018f/p/17302854 that one?
2017-05-28T15:09:06 < Streake_> Yup
2017-05-28T15:10:16 < Steffanx> Ok... Datasheet says transceiver, dont see it mention tx/rx pair
2017-05-28T15:10:38 < Steffanx> It is website and ds
2017-05-28T15:11:24 < jpa-> Streake_: i used it as a single one, send pulse, stop ringing, measure received pulse
2017-05-28T15:11:27 < Streake_> Hmm
2017-05-28T15:11:54 < jpa-> the cheap chinese ones use two because it simplifies the amplifier design
2017-05-28T15:12:07 < Steffanx> Didnt you try psk communication jpa-?
2017-05-28T15:12:12 < jpa-> yeah
2017-05-28T15:12:19 < jpa-> but the 1kHz bandwidth was quite limiting
2017-05-28T15:12:54 < Steffanx> My issue too, want to do some "chirp"ing
2017-05-28T15:13:08 < Steffanx> But im goinf to try still
2017-05-28T15:13:39 < Streake_> Is the case resonant at 40kHz or whatever?
2017-05-28T15:14:39 < jpa-> something is.. not sure if the element or the case or the combination
2017-05-28T15:15:09 < jpa-> http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/first_ultrasonic_psk.png   this is the closest i got to chirping.. takes quite long to reverse polarity
2017-05-28T15:15:49 < Steffanx> I just want to do a small sweep
2017-05-28T15:17:26 < Steffanx> Some 125khz version have a 10khz bw but can buy..
2017-05-28T15:17:34 < Steffanx> Versions*
2017-05-28T15:17:36 < Steffanx> Cant
2017-05-28T15:17:44 < Steffanx> Damn phone.
2017-05-28T15:18:31 < Streake_> That's the same proportionally
2017-05-28T15:19:27 < Steffanx> Uh?
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2017-05-28T15:19:51 < Streake_> If you look at it as modulation percentage
2017-05-28T15:20:25 < jpa-> in my world 10/125 is larger than 1/40
2017-05-28T15:21:18 < Steffanx> Ive seen 4/40 too, but those tend to be rx or tx only.
2017-05-28T15:21:41 < Streake_> link?
2017-05-28T15:21:50 < Steffanx> Or have some weird shape
2017-05-28T15:22:09 < Steffanx> And play hard to get
2017-05-28T15:24:11 < Streake_> Can you leave boot0 boot1 unconnected? Do they have built-in pull downs?
2017-05-28T15:25:00 < jpa-> afaik they don't, but on some chips you can disable them through option bits
2017-05-28T15:31:27 < Steffanx> Streake_, http://www.prowave.com.tw/english/products/ut/ep.htm but they are cheating a little bit.
2017-05-28T15:32:30 < Steffanx> farnell sells some of them
2017-05-28T15:33:33 < Steffanx> such web design <3
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2017-05-28T16:44:27 < blacktronics> guys i need some help, i am about to go absolutely insane - i am trying to include µGFX in System Workbench for STM32 and nothing i try seems to be working. The only thing i want to do is get something to happen on the screen of an STM32746G-Disco. Is there some comprehensive guide for setting this up? I am completely new to eclipse. I looked at
2017-05-28T16:44:28 < blacktronics> https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Getting_Started#Makefiles but i have no idea what that even means and where to find these settings
2017-05-28T16:47:02 < Laurenceb_>  i am about to go absolutely insane
2017-05-28T16:47:09 < Laurenceb_> welcome to ##stm32
2017-05-28T16:47:25 < Laurenceb_>  System Workbench for STM32
2017-05-28T16:47:30 < Laurenceb_> wtf even is that?
2017-05-28T16:49:17 < blacktronics> www.openstm32.org
2017-05-28T16:49:34 < dongs> uguuFx
2017-05-28T16:49:49 < dongs> blacktronics: Tectu is maker of uGfx, you can /msg him directly for support
2017-05-28T16:50:22 < blacktronics> i am at the point where i have deleted an recreated about 20 projects trying different things
2017-05-28T16:50:30 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: u see the ED lawsuit thing
2017-05-28T16:50:39 < blacktronics> names went from "displaytest" over "s9uahnd9ua" to "sendhelp"
2017-05-28T16:51:42 < Tectu> blacktronics, did you check out the step-by-step guide in the wiki?
2017-05-28T16:51:54 < dongs> he just linked it, tectu
2017-05-28T16:52:01 < blacktronics> which of them?
2017-05-28T16:52:03 < dongs> < blacktronics> https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Getting_Started#Makefiles but i have no idea <
2017-05-28T16:52:05 < Tectu> dongs, not that one
2017-05-28T16:52:08 < dongs> ah.
2017-05-28T16:52:18 < dongs> im working on drawLine() in uguuFx
2017-05-28T16:52:40 < Tectu> we have step-by-step guides for several different IDEs including a generic Eclipse one that will also work for system workbench
2017-05-28T16:52:47 < blacktronics> i'm working on losing my mind in ugfx
2017-05-28T16:52:52 < Steffanx> oh noes.
2017-05-28T16:53:18 < Tectu> Generic Eclipse Guide: https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Using_Eclipse
2017-05-28T16:53:23 < Tectu> ChibiStudio guide (also eclipse based): https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Using_ChibiStudio
2017-05-28T16:53:58 < Tectu> blacktronics, also, the community is very active and you usually get very decent help within no time:  https://community.ugfx.io
2017-05-28T16:54:00 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ do you read?
2017-05-28T16:54:26 < Steffanx> and #ugfx ?
2017-05-28T16:55:51 < blacktronics> Tectu: yeah i noticed from checking some forum threads, but i prefer IRC for the fast communication
2017-05-28T16:56:04 < dongs> just ask tectu all the questions.
2017-05-28T16:56:10 < blacktronics> hahaha
2017-05-28T16:56:12 < Tectu> blacktronics, in this case the forum is the way for fast communication ;-)
2017-05-28T16:56:48 < Tectu> we even have a guy there that appears to know just about every IDE on the planet that always loves to answer forum posts about IDE questions with tons of helpful screenshots
2017-05-28T16:58:21 < blacktronics> making a thread called "how do i into sw4stm32 with ugfx" is phase 3 of despair
2017-05-28T16:58:26 < blacktronics> i am still in phase 2
2017-05-28T16:59:23 < Tectu> well, good luck then :)
2017-05-28T17:00:01 < Tectu> it would definitely save you a ton of time. But I guess the eclipse guide just linked will help you too if you havent come across that one yet.
2017-05-28T17:00:42 < blacktronics> yeah according to my browser i have been there before, but i can't remember doing that
2017-05-28T17:00:54 < blacktronics> so i will do that now
2017-05-28T17:05:07 < Tectu> time to VHDL.
2017-05-28T17:06:35 < emeb_mac> friends don't let friends VHDL
2017-05-28T17:06:37 < englishman> can you sw4stm32 without ugfx? Its an important first step
2017-05-28T17:07:21 < englishman> very hipster dl
2017-05-28T17:07:26 < Tectu> also that ^
2017-05-28T17:07:32 < Tectu> Good day to you, mr. englishman
2017-05-28T17:07:38 < Tectu> also nice to see emeb around again once in a while
2017-05-28T17:07:46 < englishman> hola tek-chu
2017-05-28T17:07:56 < Tectu> how are the french women today?
2017-05-28T17:08:00 < englishman> spicy
2017-05-28T17:08:34 < englishman> e. meb is always here. It is you who is not
2017-05-28T17:09:45 < Tectu> dont judge me
2017-05-28T17:09:48 < Tectu> timezones man
2017-05-28T17:10:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRwAqjEiytg
2017-05-28T17:10:28 < Laurenceb_> how I picture the other end of internet chats
2017-05-28T17:11:10 < Tectu> better use raccoons
2017-05-28T17:14:45 < dongs> tectu, does uGFX have drawHexgaon
2017-05-28T17:14:55 < dongs> hexagon, too
2017-05-28T17:15:06 < Tectu> dongs, it has drawPolygon
2017-05-28T17:15:22 < dongs> but how do you make the last connection to start point
2017-05-28T17:15:50 < dongs> i calculated the 6 points but to draw I basically have to lineTo() or wahetver and loop again 6x and mod 6 for the last wrap, seems gay as shit
2017-05-28T17:16:25 < dongs> going to ugfx git
2017-05-28T17:16:28 < dongs> or amybe i have a local copy
2017-05-28T17:18:07 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/zwSbsb99.html
2017-05-28T17:18:09 < dongs> wat how the fuck does this work
2017-05-28T17:18:25 < Tectu> better dont copy code - we have an official lawyer now ;-)
2017-05-28T17:18:28 < dongs> what is the &pnt[cnt-1] t hing
2017-05-28T17:18:35 < dongs> no , im trying to udnerstand how that would work
2017-05-28T17:18:58 < dongs> its doing same shit im doing but somehow avoiding the step of +1/mod
2017-05-28T17:19:17 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/VITRix80.html this is how i did it in uguuFx, which is retarded of course
2017-05-28T17:19:29 < Tectu> https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/src/gdisp/gdisp.c#L2976
2017-05-28T17:19:43 < dongs> Tectu: i just pasted that code
2017-05-28T17:19:49 < dongs> the 1st bcas
2017-05-28T17:19:58 < Tectu> ah, sorry
2017-05-28T17:20:27 < Tectu> I am slow today :p
2017-05-28T17:20:44 < dongs> oh, i see what youre doing
2017-05-28T17:20:50 < dongs> you're literally going over the POINTER to array
2017-05-28T17:21:00 < dongs> and final loop goes back to it again
2017-05-28T17:21:12 < blacktronics> englishman: yeah i can into SW4STM32 without ugfx, compiling for Nucleo and the Disco works fine just with HAL Drivers and CMSIS
2017-05-28T17:22:31 < Tectu> dongs, everything okay now?
2017-05-28T17:22:39 < Tectu> blacktronics, are you using an existing-makefile project or does the SW4 stuff generate one?
2017-05-28T17:22:48 < dongs> yeah.
2017-05-28T17:22:57 < dongs> and youre doing final line outside for loop. yeah . makes sense
2017-05-28T17:22:58 < dongs> k
2017-05-28T17:23:05 < Tectu> dongs, jup.
2017-05-28T17:23:11 < Tectu> dongs, n-1 in the for-loop, then one extra
2017-05-28T17:23:13 < dongs> readding to uguuFx with completely different style
2017-05-28T17:23:14 < dongs> yeah
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2017-05-28T17:23:32 < blacktronics> Tectu: it can do either from what i can tell, but i can get neither to work
2017-05-28T17:23:36 < englishman> well adding ugfx is not much more than adding some includes and setting up the config
2017-05-28T17:23:49 < englishman> pretty much IDE independant
2017-05-28T17:24:00 < blacktronics> yeah i have no idea how to eclipse
2017-05-28T17:24:16 < blacktronics> i am a simple man coming from simple Sublime Text
2017-05-28T17:24:51 < kakimir> why eclipse?
2017-05-28T17:24:53 < Tectu> blacktronics, if you have an existing makefile then it is extremely easy. Just add uGFX as shown here: https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Using_ChibiOS/RT
2017-05-28T17:25:08 < Tectu> thats basically the step-by-step example for the generic makefile adding stuff in the getting started guide
2017-05-28T17:25:34 < Tectu> of course you will have to adapt to your makefile. But uGFX has built-in makefiles that provide $(GFXSRC) and $(GFXINC)
2017-05-28T17:26:45 < blacktronics> kakimir: SW4STM32 was the first free thing to come up
2017-05-28T17:29:57 < dongs> Tectu: http://i.imgur.com/5Y07Cio.gifv
2017-05-28T17:30:10 < Tectu> lol
2017-05-28T17:30:28 < dongs> uguuFx is getting quite advanced
2017-05-28T17:30:33 < dongs> i implemented drawline today
2017-05-28T17:30:59 < emeb_mac> Tectu: nice to see you too.
2017-05-28T17:31:15 < dongs> and that awesome scale2x for fonts <3 zyp
2017-05-28T17:31:43 < blacktronics> englishman: i have done everything in here https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Using_Eclipse until the "Adding driver resources" point and it fails at Debug/../src/main.c:18: undefined reference to `gfxInit'
2017-05-28T17:31:58  * emeb_mac uses STemWin and home-made widgets
2017-05-28T17:32:11 < englishman> is sw4stm32 still eclipse? i thought the whole point of sw4 was "no fucking makefiles / eclipse shit"
2017-05-28T17:32:19 < dongs> of course its eclipse
2017-05-28T17:32:21 < tpw_rules> englishman: lol it's just eclipse
2017-05-28T17:32:31 < englishman> yeah it's actually java+eclipse
2017-05-28T17:32:31 < tpw_rules> at least the nxp equivalent has the decency to rename the exe
2017-05-28T17:32:32 < dongs> literally just eclipse with old/broken stlink configs
2017-05-28T17:32:36 < englishman> but has the feature that it "actually works"
2017-05-28T17:32:49 < dongs> customer installed that shit
2017-05-28T17:32:54 < dongs> and had discovery with v2 stlink
2017-05-28T17:32:56 < englishman> like you can open a file 2 days after closing it and shit will still work
2017-05-28T17:33:04 < dongs> and the retarded openocd configs were made tfor the old one
2017-05-28T17:33:16 < dongs> and of course you dont know this until you enable some bullshit c ommand line options for openocd
2017-05-28T17:33:22 < dongs> it would just open and close withotu any errors
2017-05-28T17:33:57 < tpw_rules> it does that to me too
2017-05-28T17:34:03 < tpw_rules> i have one run conf which works and i just duplicate it
2017-05-28T17:34:16 < dongs> haha
2017-05-28T17:34:31 < dongs> tpw_rules: you gotta edit some openocd .conf and change usb IDs
2017-05-28T17:34:32 < dongs> to the new stlink
2017-05-28T17:34:46 < dongs> but to see the one to change you have to add some verbose thing to openocd cmd line, somewehre in options
2017-05-28T17:35:04  * tpw_rules carefully makes notes
2017-05-28T17:35:25 < dongs> yeah cant really be more helpful i was remoting into some faggots desktop who was running 1920x1080 screen with 200% scaling
2017-05-28T17:35:36 < tpw_rules> it was certainly mine
2017-05-28T17:35:37 < dongs> so every gfucking eclipse window was off-screen
2017-05-28T17:35:47 < dongs> because the fonts were to ofucking huge
2017-05-28T17:36:09 < tpw_rules> i'm amazed eclipse even pays attention to font scaling
2017-05-28T17:36:13 < Steffanx> 1920x1080 with 200% scaling? Wut?
2017-05-28T17:36:23 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: that's what i run my surface at. well maybe like 150%
2017-05-28T17:36:25 < dongs> Steffanx: yeah some people think 15" 1920x is "too small"
2017-05-28T17:36:28 < Steffanx> someone needs glases bt doesnt want glasses?
2017-05-28T17:36:32 < Steffanx> but
2017-05-28T17:36:32 < dongs> your surface is like 2x the rez
2017-05-28T17:36:38 < tpw_rules> it's an old ass surface
2017-05-28T17:36:41 < tpw_rules> only 1080p
2017-05-28T17:36:46 < dongs> oic
2017-05-28T17:36:48 < dongs> terrible
2017-05-28T17:37:07 < tpw_rules> fucker needs to die but a new one would cost more than $3 so i haven't sacrificed it yet
2017-05-28T17:37:23 < tpw_rules> its favorite party trick is instantly resetting when i plug in the keyboard
2017-05-28T17:37:33 < dongs> you should get the CHUWI SurBook https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/chuwi-surbook-affordable-2-in-1-intel-pc-tablet--3
2017-05-28T17:37:44 < tpw_rules> ooooh, 128GB ROM
2017-05-28T17:37:46 < dongs> its like surfacebro4 but with celeron
2017-05-28T17:37:52 < dongs> and for $300 or whatever.
2017-05-28T17:37:55 < tpw_rules> i'm amazed at a laptop with no writable storage
2017-05-28T17:37:56 < blacktronics> Why is it that everywhere i look people complain about eclipse? hahaha
2017-05-28T17:38:08 < englishman> because eclipse is garbage?
2017-05-28T17:38:12 < blacktronics> i can tell
2017-05-28T17:38:16 < englishman> only marginally worse than makefiles
2017-05-28T17:38:31 < blacktronics> what do you people recommend instead
2017-05-28T17:38:36 < dongs> tpw_rules: yeah dumb chinks dont know the difference. probly goes from the mobile phone scene
2017-05-28T17:38:46 < blacktronics> i have very little incentive to become familiar with garbage
2017-05-28T17:38:56 < tpw_rules> i'm about to start a project which is gonna need some nasty makefile/linkerfile config to do bootloader stuff. i'm extremely torn between sw4stm32 and just makefiles
2017-05-28T17:38:56 < blacktronics> it's not too late yet
2017-05-28T17:39:00 < tpw_rules> but i like the graphical debugger :(
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2017-05-28T17:39:07 < dongs> blacktronics: why are you wasting time then. CUBE exports KEIL projects. uGFX supports keil. You're done
2017-05-28T17:39:08 < tpw_rules> okay is stm32 the micro for bigots or smth
2017-05-28T17:39:27 < Tectu> https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Using_Keil_%C2%B5Vision_5_MDK-ARM
2017-05-28T17:39:31 < dongs> ^
2017-05-28T17:39:31 < englishman> no, stm32 is the micro for professionals
2017-05-28T17:39:50 < tpw_rules> doesn't keil cost money tho
2017-05-28T17:39:56 < englishman> as i said
2017-05-28T17:40:04 < tpw_rules> ;P
2017-05-28T17:40:06 < dongs> if you're a professional, you can afford keil
2017-05-28T17:40:14 < Tectu> ^
2017-05-28T17:40:14 < englishman> if you want to use it professionally, it has a professional version
2017-05-28T17:40:17 < englishman> for hobby shit, it's free
2017-05-28T17:40:20 < tpw_rules> oh
2017-05-28T17:40:35 < tpw_rules> tpw_rules]	i'm about to start a project which is gonna need some nasty makefile/linkerfile config to do bootloader stuff. i'm extremely torn between sw4stm32 and just makefiles
2017-05-28T17:40:41 < tpw_rules> is keil better at that
2017-05-28T17:40:47 < dongs> why doyou need makefiles for bootlaoders?
2017-05-28T17:40:54 < dongs> i've written lots of bootloaders in keil and I didnt need any makefiles
2017-05-28T17:41:00 < englishman> dongs> why doyou need makefiles
2017-05-28T17:41:05 < englishman> trimmed off the extra words there
2017-05-28T17:41:21 < Tectu> such hate
2017-05-28T17:41:35 < dongs> you literally just change flash size in platform config to limit your bootloader to wahtever pages, and done
2017-05-28T17:41:44 < Tectu> how to makefile: https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/tools/gmake_scripts/compiler_gcc.mk
2017-05-28T17:41:46 < dongs> and then in your userspace code, you start flash + VTOR at the end of that
2017-05-28T17:41:47 < Tectu> garbage
2017-05-28T17:41:55 < dongs> done
2017-05-28T17:41:57 < tpw_rules> it seems it's not editable in sw4stm32 tho
2017-05-28T17:42:01 < tpw_rules> which confused me
2017-05-28T17:42:10 < tpw_rules> like that's what i'd do
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2017-05-28T17:45:45 < tpw_rules> like once i select a cpu that shit is locked
2017-05-28T17:46:33 < dongs> weird.
2017-05-28T17:47:23 < tpw_rules> https://i.imgur.com/DFoAGv6.png
2017-05-28T17:47:43 < dongs> i think you need to do a new custom board
2017-05-28T17:47:45 < dongs> with smaller flash?
2017-05-28T17:47:51 < tpw_rules> yeah i tried
2017-05-28T17:48:09 < dongs> but i donno if you'll be able to cahnge start of flash for userspace app
2017-05-28T17:48:26 < dongs> cuz that means your ROM size is 0x10000-offset and 0x8000000+offset
2017-05-28T17:48:46 < tpw_rules> i mean i can edit the linker file but it's like autogenerated and idk if it will get nuked
2017-05-28T17:48:53 < dongs> rip
2017-05-28T17:49:11 < tpw_rules> only option i can select for new board is name and cpu
2017-05-28T17:49:59 < tpw_rules> oh wait it says in the linker script comments i can touch it
2017-05-28T17:50:06 < tpw_rules> yay figured something out
2017-05-28T17:52:45 < tpw_rules> also gotta figure out how to tie in the encryptor and stuff. and build multiple variations for multiple hardware variations
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2017-05-28T18:33:21 < kakimir> anyone recommend optical tachometer for hacking purposes?
2017-05-28T18:34:01 < ReadError> like an LED?
2017-05-28T18:35:32 < kakimir> I want pulses out per rotation frequency
2017-05-28T18:35:43 < kakimir> so do I just pick the cheapest one
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2017-05-28T18:37:33 < kakimir> hmm I rather go with hall
2017-05-28T18:39:18 < kakimir> if I'm lucky I have free axle head I can glue a coupling for real rotation encoder
2017-05-28T18:39:49 < ReadError> but you said hackable
2017-05-28T18:41:57 < kakimir> forget.. I just shittalk
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2017-05-28T18:44:16 < kakimir> I realized I have parts for multiple types of sensing already
2017-05-28T18:44:24 < kakimir> I should not order more
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2017-05-28T18:55:01 < sklv> hi, i'm using this https://github.com/hwhw/stm32-projects makefile which works fine while there's one file in the source dir, but as soon as i include other source files any functions in them come up as undefined reference
2017-05-28T18:55:20 < sklv> how can I make their makefile.rules include source files in the same dir?
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2017-05-28T19:05:13 < blacktronics> sklv: englishman will happily help you with makefiles
2017-05-28T19:07:11 < englishman> fake news
2017-05-28T19:07:34 < blacktronics> he will pretend he hates them but that is only because he doesn't want to help due to personal reasons
2017-05-28T19:08:10 < aandrew> sklv: I have a great makefile, one moment let me find the pastebin
2017-05-28T19:08:19 < englishman> do "personal reasons" include "hating makefiles and preferring to get work done instead of fucking with 1970-era shit"
2017-05-28T19:08:30 < blacktronics> no
2017-05-28T19:08:40 < blacktronics> personal reasons are "he secretly hates you"
2017-05-28T19:08:49 < sklv> aandrew: pls
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2017-05-28T19:09:29 < englishman> you're rather new in this chan to be assigning labels to people
2017-05-28T19:09:45 < englishman> the list of people i hate can be counted on 0 hands
2017-05-28T19:10:02 < blacktronics> i am obviously 100% serious
2017-05-28T19:10:56 < englishman> as with all chats on I R C
2017-05-28T19:11:18 < sklv> these are my current makefiles https://paste.pound-python.org/show/tXamftwoO38Xg3Czak7S/
2017-05-28T19:11:53 < englishman> ReadError: dsal misses u
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2017-05-28T19:27:39 < aandrew> sklv: https://pastebin.com/H0tiJ1A1
2017-05-28T19:27:45 < aandrew> that's a cut down version of what I use
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2017-05-28T19:33:39 < tuxie> Hi. Is there anyone from openstm32 here? :) Tried to register there to download the toolkit, but the registration form crashed hard. It registered my username, didn't send an email, and now just says that I never activated my account. Anyone know if there is a direct download somewhere? (realize this is probably not a support channel for that, but the website is.. unusably slow, so cant find contact information or use the forums)
2017-05-28T19:42:46 < Steffanx> Hah, we all love the slow ST website tuxie. I dont know about a direct download for the cube stuff
2017-05-28T19:44:01 < tuxie> Dang. Guess i'll wait a bit, then register a throwaway user. Not the best, but, eh
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2017-05-28T19:46:08 < c4017> tuxie, worth a try  http://bugmenot.com/view/openstm32.org
2017-05-28T19:49:12 < tuxie> Oooh, nice, thanks! That worked perfectly! Seems like the email server for the registration might be down, because the registration timed out for my throwaway user as well.
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2017-05-28T20:19:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: what if make a baloon inside baloon so protected H2 inside the inside baloon?
2017-05-28T20:19:23 < kakimir> and inert gas outside
2017-05-28T20:52:24 < Steffanx> kakimir, Laurenceb is in write only mode.
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2017-05-28T21:10:30 < kakimir> ye
2017-05-28T21:10:55 < kakimir> always
2017-05-28T21:11:33 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: dude that does emdrive has made really nice 45kW bldc that is really well build and nice
2017-05-28T21:11:38 < kakimir> in youtubes
2017-05-28T21:11:46 < srk> indeed
2017-05-28T21:11:51 < srk> cool project
2017-05-28T21:11:52 < Laurenceb_> yeah but emdrive
2017-05-28T21:12:03 < kakimir> srk: you have seen the project?
2017-05-28T21:12:06  * srk also wants to build bldc
2017-05-28T21:12:16 < kakimir> mee too
2017-05-28T21:12:16 < srk> kakimir: yup, number of times :D
2017-05-28T21:12:29 < srk> kakimir: hacking on BLDC driver at the moment
2017-05-28T21:13:21 < kakimir> it's weird like dude that does emdrive makes himself a pristine bldc desing.. absurd
2017-05-28T21:13:22 < sklv> did a telemetry board for UoN electric bike that's racing at TT
2017-05-28T21:13:41 < sklv> they have a >200kW BLDC, currently REMY
2017-05-28T21:15:01 < kakimir> TT is now or what?
2017-05-28T21:15:10 < sklv> in about a week
2017-05-28T21:15:51 < sklv> tt is a motorbike race on the isle of man in the uk
2017-05-28T21:16:03 < kakimir> I know
2017-05-28T21:17:00 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/zrLiuLr
2017-05-28T21:17:15 < srk> kakimir: I think the guy is a motor engineer
2017-05-28T21:17:19 < Laurenceb_>  telemetry board for UoN electric bike
2017-05-28T21:17:22 < Laurenceb_> uh oh
2017-05-28T21:17:35 < Laurenceb_> sklv: you at UoN?
2017-05-28T21:17:44 < sklv> i was
2017-05-28T21:17:55 < Laurenceb_> oh cool, me 2 :D
2017-05-28T21:18:02 < kakimir> srk: sklv are you related somehow as your nicks are similar?
2017-05-28T21:18:03 < srk> sklv: 200kW on a bike? :D
2017-05-28T21:18:07 < Laurenceb_> power group?
2017-05-28T21:18:17 < srk> kakimir: yeah, with minimalism
2017-05-28T21:18:19 < sklv> it actually peaks at a fair bit more for a short period at the start of the race
2017-05-28T21:18:36 < srk> ah, that's like a drag bike right
2017-05-28T21:18:37 < sklv> not related
2017-05-28T21:18:52 < sklv> it runs the full race
2017-05-28T21:19:19 < Laurenceb_> sklv: does the electric bike use stm32?
2017-05-28T21:19:31 < srk> any pics? :)
2017-05-28T21:19:39 < sklv> ill find some after i finish my game
2017-05-28T21:19:46 < srk> ^^
2017-05-28T21:20:19 < Laurenceb_>  > the game
2017-05-28T21:20:53 < sklv> this is the frame from a while ago
2017-05-28T21:20:54 < sklv> https://daleymathison.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/11220069_458117687686352_4150215348962022515_n.jpg
2017-05-28T21:21:13 < sklv> but that's pretty old. also there are actually 2 bikes which are mostly identical
2017-05-28T21:21:25 < specing> > electric bike
2017-05-28T21:21:29 < specing> >200kW BLDC
2017-05-28T21:21:30 < specing> they mad
2017-05-28T21:21:38 < srk> mad
2017-05-28T21:21:45 < Laurenceb_> I've seen that :P
2017-05-28T21:21:46 < srk> indeed
2017-05-28T21:22:00 < specing> There is a BLDC controller with stm32
2017-05-28T21:22:00 < sklv> it uses stm32 for one of the telemetry boards
2017-05-28T21:22:02 < specing> the VESC
2017-05-28T21:22:19 < sklv> i've seen that, its logic board is ok
2017-05-28T21:22:20 < srk> VESC for 200kW?
2017-05-28T21:22:26 < sklv> but their high power driver is not very good IMO
2017-05-28T21:22:29 < specing> up to 10kW for a few seconds
2017-05-28T21:22:31 < srk> ah ok
2017-05-28T21:22:35 < specing> 1.5 kW constant
2017-05-28T21:22:50 < sklv> me and a friend are doing a controller separate to the UoN bike
2017-05-28T21:22:54 < sklv> that uses the same IGBTs
2017-05-28T21:23:01 < kakimir> is there any reason why VESC shouldn't or couldn't be scaled to hundreds of kilowatts?
2017-05-28T21:23:09 < kakimir> as in software
2017-05-28T21:23:12 < specing> kakimir: none
2017-05-28T21:23:15 < sklv> we got 2 remy hvh 250s from ebay
2017-05-28T21:23:20 < specing> kakimir: that I know of
2017-05-28T21:23:25 < Laurenceb_> sklv: does it use induction motor (the UoN bike) ?
2017-05-28T21:23:26 < sklv> kakimir: there is
2017-05-28T21:23:40 < specing> kakimir: the FETs are not up to it and the driver is probably not up to it and the PCB is certainly notup to it
2017-05-28T21:24:02 < specing> But why would you need hundreds of kilowatts
2017-05-28T21:24:12 < sklv> kakimir: to scale you need to drive fets in parallel and compensate for differences in timing
2017-05-28T21:24:16 < specing> 200kW is 260 horsepower
2017-05-28T21:24:18 < specing> its insane
2017-05-28T21:24:38 < kakimir> sklv: is that hardware or software task?
2017-05-28T21:24:45 < sklv> kakimir: both
2017-05-28T21:24:49 < sklv> the vesc pcb
2017-05-28T21:24:57 < sklv> has a different length pcb track to each igbt = different inductance
2017-05-28T21:24:58 < specing> Why driving fets in paralllel?
2017-05-28T21:25:07 < specing> you can get fets that can do 1000V+ at 1000A+
2017-05-28T21:25:12 < specing> single fets
2017-05-28T21:25:21 < sklv> specing: google ff600 and then find a bigger fet
2017-05-28T21:25:26 < sklv> specing: then look at the price
2017-05-28T21:25:39 < kakimir> specing: look for losses
2017-05-28T21:25:44 < kakimir> compared to IGBT
2017-05-28T21:25:58 < specing> by fets I meant whatever is needed
2017-05-28T21:26:38 < sklv> basically fets have an upper limit beyond which they become too big or too heavy or too slow
2017-05-28T21:26:49 < kakimir> so there is signal from mcu and then driver chips to drive IGBTs with adjustable delays right?
2017-05-28T21:27:20 < sklv> they have an off the shelf servo drive currently
2017-05-28T21:27:32 < sklv> they had a nice custom drive previously which wasn't stm
2017-05-28T21:27:38 < sklv> but due to politics they can't use that
2017-05-28T21:27:49 < kakimir> and then the program needs take in account the general delay of IGBTs compared to fets in original VESC desing?
2017-05-28T21:27:50 < sync> huh, fets usually are faster and smaller now in that power region
2017-05-28T21:27:57 < sync> especially if you go GaN or SiC
2017-05-28T21:28:10 < sklv> can't, yet, no devices with sufficient ratings
2017-05-28T21:28:18 < srk> seem like our next BLDC driver gonna have GaNs
2017-05-28T21:28:31 < sklv> 650v vbus?
2017-05-28T21:29:32 < sklv> there is one wolfson module that does 300A but it's crazy expensive
2017-05-28T21:29:56 < sklv> the nice thing is, ff600 can be found on taobao for a fraction of their new price, which makes them pretty affordable
2017-05-28T21:30:10 < sync> you sure can go GaN or SiC
2017-05-28T21:30:20 < sync> even for traction drives at that power
2017-05-28T21:30:53 < sklv> i'd love to, can you suggest a device?
2017-05-28T21:30:54 < srk> sklv: got a link for that wolfson module?
2017-05-28T21:31:07 < sklv> in game, sorry, will do shortly
2017-05-28T21:31:17 < srk> what are you playing? :D
2017-05-28T21:31:24 < sklv> dota2, badly
2017-05-28T21:31:34 < srk> ^^ :D
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2017-05-28T21:31:47 < srk> was playing lots of dota1 back in the days
2017-05-28T21:33:00 < srk> https://github.com/mludvig/mini-printf/blob/master/mini-printf.c
2017-05-28T21:33:40 < sync> coolSiC is something that I know is being used
2017-05-28T21:34:13 < Laurenceb_> heh another mini printf
2017-05-28T21:34:15 < Laurenceb_> vnice
2017-05-28T21:35:14 < kakimir> what would I need under 200kw power for?
2017-05-28T21:39:26 < sync> oh those remy motors look nice, I should get some
2017-05-28T21:40:56 < sklv> http://www.wolfspeed.com/power/products/sic-power-modules/cas300m12bm2
2017-05-28T21:42:30 < kakimir> why doesn't tesla use such modules?
2017-05-28T21:42:44 < sklv> so i'm looking at coolsic now and the only >200A device they do is FF600R12IS4F which apparently only has SiC diodes
2017-05-28T21:42:48 < kakimir> but piles and piles of discretes
2017-05-28T21:43:28 < sklv> kakimir: they use a small number of high power devices in parallel
2017-05-28T21:43:38 < sklv> they're not really discretes, from the brief google images search that i've just done
2017-05-28T21:45:08 < sync> nah, you can get coolsic bricks with more than 200A, but the drive I know has multiple ones paralleled
2017-05-28T21:45:56 < sklv> sync: can you link me to one? I'm looking at http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/power/sicarbide-sic/coolsic-hybrid-modules/channel.html?channel=5546d4614815da8801483f7428240e51
2017-05-28T21:46:22 < srk> sklv: uuh, that cas300 costs 500 eur :D
2017-05-28T21:46:25 < specing> Someone could also modify VESC for 500W so its not that expensive anymore
2017-05-28T21:46:57 < sync> sklv: seems like they are still just sampling those
2017-05-28T21:47:06 < sync> not suprising tho with the issues they have with their sic process
2017-05-28T21:47:13 < srk> specing: I'm working on ODrive boards, they are like $100 and can handle ~2kW
2017-05-28T21:47:39 < sklv> to be fair
2017-05-28T21:47:43 < specing> can handle continously?
2017-05-28T21:47:53 < specing> or can handle in general?
2017-05-28T21:47:56 < srk> yup
2017-05-28T21:48:03 < specing> because the vesc is around $100+taxes
2017-05-28T21:48:07 < srk> peaks can go over 2kW
2017-05-28T21:48:19 < sync> odrive, toplol
2017-05-28T21:48:19 < specing> $109 from china with capacitors and wires
2017-05-28T21:48:21 < srk> well this will get cheaper as production runs get bigger
2017-05-28T21:48:28 < sklv> you could potentially buy 3x ff600 from taobao and then you could probably use the vesc controller board. all youd need is to connect the igbts with bus bars
2017-05-28T21:48:34 < specing> and VESC can do 10kW for a few seconds
2017-05-28T21:48:42 < specing> apparently it depends on cooling
2017-05-28T21:48:49 < srk> ODrive for sure can do the same
2017-05-28T21:49:02 < specing> and will cost the same?
2017-05-28T21:49:08 < srk> if you can deliver enoug power and cool it properly
2017-05-28T21:49:20 < srk> it will cost less, I think
2017-05-28T21:49:37 < srk> but current production runs are still too small to get better prize
2017-05-28T21:50:15 < specing> srk: odriverobotics.com?
2017-05-28T21:50:24 < srk> yes
2017-05-28T21:50:32 < specing> Maytech doesen't make a lot of VESCs either
2017-05-28T21:50:46 < srk> you can open the board on circuithub if you have an account and play with the sliders to get quotes for various quatities, quite interesting
2017-05-28T21:50:49 < specing> or maybe they do, but ali and ebay aren't recording sales in triple digits
2017-05-28T21:51:05 < specing> s/qualities/quantities?/
2017-05-28T21:51:11 < srk> quant
2017-05-28T21:51:32 < specing> But idk, I was looking for something around 500W for e-bicycle :D
2017-05-28T21:51:33 < srk> VESC is quite popular right now compared to ODrive, ODrive is only few months old
2017-05-28T21:51:42 < specing> VESC is overkill
2017-05-28T21:51:49 < srk> yeah, we're going to build our own controller for bikes
2017-05-28T21:51:55 < srk> but up to 2kW for sure
2017-05-28T21:52:12 < srk> you can get 1.3kW motors for ebikes easily
2017-05-28T21:52:30 < specing> but there apparently is nothing less powerful that would be FOSS
2017-05-28T21:52:39 < sklv> if i were to make a bike I would use more than a 2kw motor
2017-05-28T21:52:43 < specing> I have a bicycle with a 250W motor and its enough
2017-05-28T21:52:47 < sklv> as in a pedal assisted bike
2017-05-28T21:53:04 < specing> avarage assist for 25km/h is like 150W
2017-05-28T21:53:34 < specing> 250W is only weak for going fast uphill, but for uphill I have an unpowered mtb anyway
2017-05-28T21:53:48 < sklv> ok well for a start vesc is in kicad and odrive is in altium so i can look at one but not at the other :)
2017-05-28T21:54:23 < specing> you don't have altium? How are you working on odrive then?
2017-05-28T21:54:34 < sklv> i'm not working on odrive
2017-05-28T21:54:38 < sklv> i just heard of it and tried to look at it
2017-05-28T21:54:42 < specing> ah ok
2017-05-28T21:54:48 < srk> sklv: https://github.com/madcowswe/ODriveHardware/blob/master/v3/v3.2docs/schematic_v3.2.pdf
2017-05-28T21:55:18 < specing> ah interesting, ODrive is dual motor
2017-05-28T21:55:19 < srk> I've managed to use altium2kicad converter on odrive but the results are suboptimal
2017-05-28T21:56:38 < sync> hm, only two shunts
2017-05-28T21:57:19 < sklv> this is a sketch of the drive i'm designing separately from UoN
2017-05-28T21:57:21 < sklv> https://imgur.com/a/ffkKd
2017-05-28T21:57:59 < specing> What is UoN?
2017-05-28T21:58:24 < sklv> this one will use stm32f407 and ice40 fpga to drive probably ff600 but maybe fs800 igbts
2017-05-28T21:59:25 < specing> electric racing motorcycles?
2017-05-28T21:59:28 < sklv> university of nottingham
2017-05-28T21:59:35 < specing> ok, now I understand why 200kW
2017-05-28T21:59:50 < sync> I don't really see the the need for an fpga, there is not a lot going on
2017-05-28T22:00:18 < specing> it looks a bit heavy tbh :D
2017-05-28T22:00:43 < Laurenceb_> sklv: are you still in UK?
2017-05-28T22:00:48  * Laurenceb_ is in Derby
2017-05-28T22:01:00 < sklv> yea still in UK
2017-05-28T22:01:11 < sklv> 1 sec i'll find why there is an fpga
2017-05-28T22:01:46 < Laurenceb_> I was mainly working on medical devices research at UoN
2017-05-28T22:02:12 < srk> sync: we're trying to desing our own board inspired by odrive, single axis only, larger voltage range, three shunts for safety
2017-05-28T22:02:25 < sync> I mean, yeah the d/q transformation takes up some time but eh
2017-05-28T22:02:30 < srk> to get "industrial" grade CanOpen402 servo basically
2017-05-28T22:03:22 < sklv> https://www.hpe.ee.ethz.ch/uploads/tx_ethpublications/04652431.pdf
2017-05-28T22:03:35 < srk> sync: here's a prototype of my current control loop https://github.com/sorki/odrive/blob/master/src/ODrive/Tests/FOCCurrent.hs#L212 :D
2017-05-28T22:03:45 < sync> I looked at the odrive code a while ago and I'm not sure if I want to use it
2017-05-28T22:03:52 < srk> hehe, me neither
2017-05-28T22:04:07 < sync> well, I have my own servo drive developed so there is no need
2017-05-28T22:04:12 < srk> which is why I've ported it to completely :D
2017-05-28T22:04:17 < srk> sync: show me
2017-05-28T22:04:24 < sklv> your servo drive firmware is haskell?
2017-05-28T22:04:26 < sync> https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl
2017-05-28T22:04:37 < srk> sklv: yes, ivory-tower framework
2017-05-28T22:04:39 < Laurenceb_> heh wow
2017-05-28T22:05:10 < sklv> srk: that's certainly impressive
2017-05-28T22:05:16 < srk> sync: cool, what is the control interface?
2017-05-28T22:05:40 < sync> there are a lot of control interfaces you can use
2017-05-28T22:05:46 < srk> sklv: hehe, I plan to write some blog posts about that
2017-05-28T22:06:00 < sync> currently quadrature and rs422 are implemented
2017-05-28T22:06:04 < Laurenceb_> what encoder do you use?
2017-05-28T22:06:21 < specing> srk: Hahaha is that a red emergency stop button behind the seat?
2017-05-28T22:06:25 < srk> sklv: bigger plan is distrap.org (emtpy so far) project for distributed control of CNCs/3d printers/industrial automation
2017-05-28T22:06:26 < sync> but the header on top has a lot of stuff you can fiddle in
2017-05-28T22:06:40 < sklv> specing: sadly that's part of the regulations. you can't race without it. it's not there by choice
2017-05-28T22:07:00 < specing> What regulations?
2017-05-28T22:07:16 < specing> I don't think I ever saw fossil fuel motorcycles with red pushbottons there
2017-05-28T22:07:49 < Laurenceb_> but electric vehicles are fossil fuel powered
2017-05-28T22:07:49 < srk> sync: I'm looking at canopen402 for now and ethercat in the future
2017-05-28T22:07:59 < specing> Laurenceb_: no
2017-05-28T22:08:00 < sklv> Laurenceb_: not necessarily
2017-05-28T22:08:13 < Laurenceb_> not always but usually:P
2017-05-28T22:08:35 < sync> srk: idk, there is no real drive for us to use a fieldbus
2017-05-28T22:08:54 < srk> right
2017-05-28T22:09:07 < sync> but it would certainly be possible
2017-05-28T22:09:21 < srk> yeah, they're just protocols
2017-05-28T22:09:43 < srk> for 3d printers and CNCs current standard is step/dir
2017-05-28T22:09:48 < sync> no
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2017-05-28T22:09:57 < sync> nobody uses step/dir in industry
2017-05-28T22:10:07 < srk> hobby mostly
2017-05-28T22:10:08 < sklv> sync i use step/dir on my cnc machine :)
2017-05-28T22:10:10 < specing> Laurenceb_: not even usually
2017-05-28T22:10:15 < Steffanx> What are does .comp files sync?
2017-05-28T22:10:25 < srk> but you will find step/dir on large commercial CNCs as well
2017-05-28T22:10:27 < sync> Steffanx: magic
2017-05-28T22:10:35 < Steffanx> custom stuff sync?
2017-05-28T22:10:38 < srk> driven with parallel port :D
2017-05-28T22:10:38 < sync> no
2017-05-28T22:10:43 < sync> it's just c
2017-05-28T22:11:00 < sync> not with any control that is to be taken seriously
2017-05-28T22:11:08 < Steffanx> Yes, that's clear, but some custom magic?
2017-05-28T22:11:13 < sync> usually they are all analog or some bus in the last decade
2017-05-28T22:11:22 < sync> Steffanx: it is a "HAL"
2017-05-28T22:11:28 < srk> sklv: https://wiki.base48.cz/EmbeddedHaskell
2017-05-28T22:11:35 < sync> it allows you to dynamically link stuff together through pointer magic
2017-05-28T22:11:57 < sync> sklv: too bad
2017-05-28T22:12:49 < sync> I never understood why people like it, a single wire failure will crash your machine
2017-05-28T22:12:53 < specing> embedded haskell ha
2017-05-28T22:13:18 < sync> (ok, that's possible with analog as well, but you don't want analog setpoint transmission also)
2017-05-28T22:13:20 < sklv> sync: I don't like it just there aren't any open source alternatives that will do position control on open hardware
2017-05-28T22:13:21 < srk> sync: even worse there's no closed loop control
2017-05-28T22:13:32 < srk> working on one ^^ :D
2017-05-28T22:13:36 < sync> sure is sklv
2017-05-28T22:14:12 < sklv> sync: sorry i misspecified my conditions - the servo has to be cheap, i.e. a 3 phase BLDC with my own encoder attached
2017-05-28T22:14:29 < sklv> sync: what do you have in mind?
2017-05-28T22:14:31 < srk> join me! :D
2017-05-28T22:14:49 < sync> why would you do that, when you can just use an industrial servo off ebay
2017-05-28T22:14:55 < srk> odrive can already do position control with orig firmware, my goal currently is to implement canopen, interpolation and axis sync
2017-05-28T22:14:58 < sync> sklv: my servodrive, the stmbl
2017-05-28T22:15:17 < srk> that's only part of the story
2017-05-28T22:15:19 < sklv> sync: what is the cheapest servo compatible with that
2017-05-28T22:15:25 < sync> any?
2017-05-28T22:15:35 < sync> like literally, almost any servo will work
2017-05-28T22:15:49 < srk> sync: you're a hackerspace member?
2017-05-28T22:16:01 < sync> yes, but this project is not really a hackerspace project
2017-05-28T22:16:10 < srk> ok :)
2017-05-28T22:16:24 < sklv> sync: i need to get 4x identical servos for my machine for it to be viable, they have to be adaptable to nema23 footprint and they have to be better than the nema23 motors I already have
2017-05-28T22:16:40 < sync> why do they have to be all the same?
2017-05-28T22:16:47 < srk> sklv: http://48.io/~rmarko/odrive/mountv2.jpg
2017-05-28T22:16:53 < srk> 1.2kW
2017-05-28T22:16:58 < sklv> they don't to be fair
2017-05-28T22:17:08 < sync> for how long srk :P
2017-05-28T22:17:15 < sklv> but 2 of them do because one axis is driven by 2 ballscrews on both sides
2017-05-28T22:17:15 < srk> until it's hot! :D
2017-05-28T22:17:32 < sync> sure, that is why rc bldcs are not servos
2017-05-28T22:17:47 < sklv> sync: they can be if you add cooling
2017-05-28T22:17:47 < srk> you just need to add encoder and FOC
2017-05-28T22:18:05 < sync> but why go through all that trouble when you can just get industrial servos
2017-05-28T22:18:10 < srk> openhw
2017-05-28T22:18:17 < srk> prize
2017-05-28T22:18:20 < sync> so did you make the encoder yourself?
2017-05-28T22:18:24 < sync> or would the bldc?
2017-05-28T22:18:29 < srk> yes, one prototype
2017-05-28T22:18:43 < srk> but using hobbyking motor and chinese encoder for $15
2017-05-28T22:19:06 < srk> I've actually made an optical encoder prototype from FR4 board but there not enough steps
2017-05-28T22:19:15 < srk> 's
2017-05-28T22:19:21 < sync> this is a known problem, but you have to stop at some point
2017-05-28T22:19:25 < srk> motor is like $50
2017-05-28T22:19:28 < sync> and industrial servos are cheap and plentiful
2017-05-28T22:19:33 < srk> homing
2017-05-28T22:19:45 < sklv> sync: i'm certainly not finding them cheap and plentiful right now
2017-05-28T22:19:48 < srk> or what do you mean by 'stop somewhere'?
2017-05-28T22:20:05 < sync> sklv: then you are not looking hard enough
2017-05-28T22:20:34 < sklv> cheapest nema23 servo on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122349184345 afaik
2017-05-28T22:21:22 < sklv> cheapeset nema23 servo on aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-1Nm-57mm-NEMA23-Hybrid-servo-Closed-loop-stepping-motor-drive-kit-3phase-DC20-50V/32342364722.html
2017-05-28T22:21:32 < srk> sklv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rqGJatwkyQ
2017-05-28T22:21:54 < srk> that's hybrid stepper?
2017-05-28T22:22:12 < srk> yup
2017-05-28T22:22:15 < sklv> srk: so the current odrive firmware implements foc control, cos that's what that video looks like?
2017-05-28T22:22:31 < srk> yes, that's position control on top of FOC loop
2017-05-28T22:22:37 < sync> sklv: I just bid on almost all used servos on ebay, and I get some weekly for sub 30€
2017-05-28T22:22:41 < sync> which is ok, imho
2017-05-28T22:22:58 < sync> or I just got two harmonic drive units with servos for free
2017-05-28T22:23:09 < srk> uu, /me wantz
2017-05-28T22:23:10 < sklv> sync: that's nice
2017-05-28T22:23:16 < sync> it's always the drives that people want money for
2017-05-28T22:23:20 < sync> but motors are cheap
2017-05-28T22:24:56 < sync> sklv: nema sizes don't tell me anything, servos are sold by power output
2017-05-28T22:25:22 < srk> sync: looking at 'stmbl with linuxcnc via smartserial' is there a possibility to get feedback from servo to linuxcnc?
2017-05-28T22:25:29 < sync> of course
2017-05-28T22:25:38 < sync> the stmbl feeds the position back to linuxcnc
2017-05-28T22:25:42 < sync> even when the drive errors
2017-05-28T22:25:49 < sync> so you do not loose homing
2017-05-28T22:25:55 < srk> cool
2017-05-28T22:26:03 < srk> wasn't sure if linuxcnc even supports that
2017-05-28T22:26:15 < sklv> sync: you need mesa card for smartserial right?
2017-05-28T22:26:23 < sync> currently, yes
2017-05-28T22:26:39 < sync> but we have an ethernet board in the works that will replace it
2017-05-28T22:26:47 < sklv> sync: anything i can look at?
2017-05-28T22:26:50 < sync> no
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2017-05-28T22:27:32 < sync> in the mean time a 7i92m is the easiest way to go
2017-05-28T22:28:00 < sklv> my next control computer will probably be BBB
2017-05-28T22:28:06 < srk> ^^
2017-05-28T22:28:11 < srk> it spots CAN :D
2017-05-28T22:28:45 < sklv> srk: so i'm really liking the look of your odrive if it can do foc position control on bldcs
2017-05-28T22:28:46 < sync> I would not use a bbb, the am335x has burned me too often
2017-05-28T22:29:32 < srk> sklv: yeah, I'll will have more stuff to show soon, two more boards on the way so I can start hacking on distributed control
2017-05-28T22:30:01 < sync> sklv: festo mtr ac 55 should be the right size for you
2017-05-28T22:30:08 < sync> but that is a 400-600W servo
2017-05-28T22:30:35 < sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/3phase_troller/handlingachse2.mp4
2017-05-28T22:30:42 < srk> that's a proper AC servo, right?
2017-05-28T22:30:42 < sync> that thing is driven by just a 100W moog servo
2017-05-28T22:31:12 < sklv> this is what it'll be going on http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/6484-A-sufficiently-strong-machine
2017-05-28T22:31:13 < sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/3phase_troller/stmblv4.mp4 300W mitsubishi servo hitting +-6000rpm iirc a few times a second
2017-05-28T22:31:57 < sync> you would be fine with 150W servos
2017-05-28T22:32:24 < srk> cool build
2017-05-28T22:33:04 < sync> srk: the HD actuators are out of screw tightening machines
2017-05-28T22:33:39 < sync> they also have an additional absolute encoder, a HBM torque reference plate external brake and a slipper clutch
2017-05-28T22:33:55 < srk> nice
2017-05-28T22:34:19 < sklv> how many layers is the odrive?
2017-05-28T22:34:30 < srk> 2 iirc
2017-05-28T22:34:38 < srk> wait, I'll check that
2017-05-28T22:35:14 < srk> yup
2017-05-28T22:36:09 < srk> I'm trying to design a baseboard for f4discovery but so far I didn't manage to route it on one side so I can mill it in the hackerspace
2017-05-28T22:36:55 < srk> will be just a breakout for discovery board that has pin headers for 3 h-bridges
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2017-05-28T22:37:23 < sklv> you can cnc mill 2 sided PCBs
2017-05-28T22:37:36 < srk> sure, but it's more complicated
2017-05-28T22:37:47 < srk> we're actually working on opencv tooling for that
2017-05-28T22:37:47 < sklv> for sure, in my experience you need a jig
2017-05-28T22:37:51 < srk> ^^
2017-05-28T22:37:55 < srk> no need if you have camera :D
2017-05-28T22:38:24 < srk> this is how we do it currently https://wiki.base48.cz/PCBMilling
2017-05-28T22:38:48 < srk> wrote part of the toolchain for autoleveling
2017-05-28T22:39:03 < sklv> srk do you know if there's any software that does voronoi transform in 45 degree lines?
2017-05-28T22:39:14 < sync> sklv: interesting method of aligning the x axis, I would have just milled the mounting surface
2017-05-28T22:39:36 < srk> pcb2gcode can do voronoi, not sure about 45 degree lines
2017-05-28T22:39:58 < sklv> sync: no machine big enough to mill - we called up a grinding place but it was too big by a small margin
2017-05-28T22:40:28 < sklv> sync: i deeply regret using an 80mm spindle i want to redo the gantry to support an ATC spindle
2017-05-28T22:40:51 < srk> with vision, you need to drill two holes for alignment, flip the board, find these two holes, compute inverse affine transform and transform backside gcode
2017-05-28T22:41:15 < srk> work in progress
2017-05-28T22:41:51 < srk> largest pcb made here http://48.io/~rmarko/cnc/synth_pcb.jpg
2017-05-28T22:41:52 < sync> doesn't really look all that large, but yeah that can be an issue
2017-05-28T22:41:56 < sklv> srk: I put the pcb down with tape, drill through pcb into sacrificial thing, put posts into holes through PCB, mill pcb, flip PCB, align via posts, mill other side
2017-05-28T22:42:03 < sync> not sure how I feel about the epoxy tho
2017-05-28T22:42:12 < srk> sklv: yeah, we've tried that with mixed results
2017-05-28T22:42:41 < sklv> sync: we didn't plan to use the epoxy it was kinda a backup plan
2017-05-28T22:43:06 < sync> yeah, I would have probably just shimmed it
2017-05-28T22:43:18 < sklv> sync: we tried shims without success maybe we were doing it worng
2017-05-28T22:43:34 < sync> especially because you did not have an edge to align the rail side to side
2017-05-28T22:46:48 < sklv> sync: it was less than ideal for sure :)
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2017-05-28T22:47:36 < sync> it's suprising to see how bent linear rails come from the factories
2017-05-28T22:48:17 < sync> but that's just due to the way they are made
2017-05-28T22:48:38 < srk> that X gantry is massive
2017-05-28T22:49:04 < sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/3phase_troller/xachse3.mp4 my shitty chinese mill being driven, still slow
2017-05-28T22:49:10 < sync> I can now drive it three times faster
2017-05-28T22:49:20 < Cerpin> Apologies if this is too basic a question, but I'm setting up a rust toolchain for STM32 (and learning both in the process), and it's necessary to specify start of flash and ram -- the memory map in DM00037051 shows something I don't quite understand. First, there's a section at the bottom that can be flash, SRAM or system memory depending on boot pins. Obviously I can set this how I like, but the file I'm
2017-05-28T22:49:26 < Cerpin> supposed to specify this in seems to want a contiguous range. Should I just be including the "normal" flash and SRAM and dealing with this in some other manner, or?
2017-05-28T22:51:55 < Cerpin> There was another thing I was going to ask, but figured that out prertty quickly after posting this, oops
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2017-05-28T23:00:47 < Steffanx> Just specify the addresses of flash and SRAM, there should be no need to "deal" with it otherwise. I think you want to boot from flash..  The boot pins just what is located at address 0 ( so where it boots from )
2017-05-28T23:00:59 < englishman> flash, sram, and bootrom locations don't change
2017-05-28T23:01:17 < englishman> your boot selector chooses which one to jump to on startup
2017-05-28T23:01:36 < Cerpin> That makes a lot more sense, thank you!
2017-05-28T23:01:37 < Steffanx> it doesnt really jump. It aliases it.
2017-05-28T23:01:49 < englishman> hm really
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2017-05-28T23:01:58 < Steffanx> that's what the document says :P
2017-05-28T23:02:11 < englishman> i never got that far as i have never set up a toolchain in rust
2017-05-28T23:02:20 < Steffanx> "Aliased to Flash, system memory or SRAM depending on the BOOT pins".
2017-05-28T23:02:25 < englishman> neat.
2017-05-28T23:02:36 < Steffanx> its not related to rust..
2017-05-28T23:02:49 < Cerpin> Yeah, I understand that
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2017-05-28T23:03:12 < Cerpin> I guess I just didn't know what aliasing actually was, sorry
2017-05-28T23:03:35 < Steffanx> it was a comment to englishman, not you Cerpin ;)
2017-05-28T23:04:15 < englishman> what's with all the opensores chats?
2017-05-28T23:04:18 < englishman> oh, it's sunday
2017-05-28T23:04:27 < englishman> the day in which nothing gets done
2017-05-28T23:04:30 < Steffanx> You never used open soresn uh?
2017-05-28T23:04:41 < englishman> thankfully
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2017-05-28T23:05:04 < Steffanx> Troll.
2017-05-28T23:05:09 < Steffanx> much.
2017-05-28T23:05:38 < Steffanx> How was/is your day mr englishman?
2017-05-28T23:05:51 < englishman> working today so i don't have to come in tomorrow
2017-05-28T23:05:59 < englishman> few hours of shit left to do
2017-05-28T23:06:02 < Steffanx> "have to"
2017-05-28T23:06:10 < Steffanx> afaik you are self-employed
2017-05-28T23:06:32 < englishman> yeah so realistically i should be working 24/7
2017-05-28T23:07:02 < Steffanx> more like whenever you want
2017-05-28T23:08:02 < englishman> well, i have to ship shit tomorrow
2017-05-28T23:08:06 < englishman> so i can do it tomorrow, or do it today
2017-05-28T23:09:13 < englishman> and tomorrow the hot tub is getting fixed
2017-05-28T23:09:19 < englishman> so i would prefer to lounge in a spa
2017-05-28T23:09:20 < englishman> than work
2017-05-28T23:09:22 < englishman> wouldn't you
2017-05-28T23:09:57 < Steffanx> hah, sure.
2017-05-28T23:14:52 < Steffanx> beer cold?
2017-05-28T23:15:31 < srk> beer it is
2017-05-28T23:15:55 < Steffanx> or wine whatever you prefer.
2017-05-28T23:21:25 < englishman> alcoholism is a common trait among opensores users
2017-05-28T23:23:28 < Steffanx> Also for millenials.
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2017-05-28T23:25:03 < englishman> well they have a lot of things in common
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2017-05-28T23:25:07 < englishman> failing at everything
2017-05-28T23:25:12 < englishman> constantly bickering about nothing
2017-05-28T23:25:39 < Steffanx> Feels familiar uh? :P
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2017-05-28T23:25:53 < Steffanx> Hows lora englishman?
2017-05-28T23:26:49 < englishman> haven't had time to touch it
2017-05-28T23:27:05 < englishman> but there may be a sister project for it, so i'll have some help
2017-05-28T23:30:13 < Steffanx> ah :)
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2017-05-28T23:39:44 < jadew`> what exactly are millenials?
2017-05-28T23:39:49 < jadew`> people born after 2000?
2017-05-28T23:40:28 < jadew`> I heard somewhere that people born >= 1980 also qualify
2017-05-28T23:40:35 < specing> someone you can blame
2017-05-28T23:40:44 < jadew`> specing, that works for me
2017-05-28T23:40:48 < jadew`> fucking millenials
2017-05-28T23:40:48 < specing> some people*
2017-05-28T23:40:51 < specing> see
2017-05-28T23:41:04 < specing> then it tourns out you are a millenial as well
2017-05-28T23:41:09 < specing> sucks
2017-05-28T23:41:21 < jadew`> that's why I was asking :P
2017-05-28T23:42:03 < jadew`> but my generation sucks so far
2017-05-28T23:42:27 < jadew`> I don't know anyone who had amazing success so far
2017-05-28T23:44:37 < sklv> "a person reaching young adulthood in the early 21st century."
2017-05-28T23:44:52 < jadew`> ok, that's me
2017-05-28T23:45:08 < sklv> "researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years"
2017-05-28T23:45:48 < jadew`> millenials are great IMO
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2017-05-28T23:46:31 < jadew`> no bias
2017-05-28T23:47:32 < specing> ^_^
2017-05-28T23:53:49 < englishman> jadew detected as millennian
2017-05-28T23:54:44 < jadew`> I'm gonna use that as an excuse from now on, when someone finds me annoying
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2017-05-29T00:12:39 < Steffanx> Welcome millenials
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2017-05-29T00:43:43 < Steffanx> What is your definition of success jadew` ?
2017-05-29T00:44:20 < Steffanx> Or do you mean you dont know someone personally with great success
2017-05-29T00:44:28 < jadew`> Steffanx, recognition in your field or tons of money
2017-05-29T00:44:28 < Steffanx> *amazing
2017-05-29T00:44:35 < jadew`> yeah, personally
2017-05-29T00:45:11 < Steffanx> Ah ok.
2017-05-29T00:47:57 < jadew`> and I live with two such people in my building, but they're from my parents generation
2017-05-29T00:48:43 < jadew`> so it's not like it's something rare
2017-05-29T00:50:04 < jadew`> one of them is a philosopher and I've known about him since I was little, so he reached recognition in his field when he was maybe even younger than I am
2017-05-29T00:52:54 < Steffanx> Science of uselessness? :p
2017-05-29T00:53:15 < jadew`> heh, I think philosophy is great, when done right
2017-05-29T00:53:47 < jadew`> in my mind it's the science of disambiguation
2017-05-29T00:56:58 < sync> Steffanx: why don't you just use any old car US transducer?
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2017-05-29T01:12:39 < ohsix> h3h science
2017-05-29T01:13:52 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_argument
2017-05-29T01:15:54 < ohsix> if you talk about ambiguity, to what are you referrring, cuz you have to use a common language who's words are open for interpretation and lawyering
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2017-05-29T01:19:36 < ohsix> hehe Thus Socrates guided the instruction by using leading questions. He basically browbeated the learners through the use of clever questioning.
2017-05-29T01:23:17 < ohsix> huh wut For this reason the deterministic variant of (EC)DSA (RFC 6979) is implemented, which uses the private key as a source or “entropy” to seed a PRNG.
2017-05-29T01:23:30 < ohsix> (looking at ecc/pki for microcontroller junk)
2017-05-29T01:24:50 < Rob235> ohsix, take my ethics class that starts next week for me, first reading assignment is about socrates
2017-05-29T01:25:01 < ohsix> need some sort of enrolling process to not need key distribution and a vpn or something for all the devices (which is what i've mostly seen people doing(
2017-05-29T01:25:07 < ohsix> Rob235: nice
2017-05-29T01:25:24 < ohsix> what type of ethics class, or part of what degree
2017-05-29T01:26:28 < Rob235> its called contemporary ethics, not really sure what it entails aside from starting with socrates and plato and whoever philosophers, i'm getting my comp sci degree but its just a course that fulfills a general requirement
2017-05-29T01:26:32 < ohsix> just thought of a dumb analogy of ethics to patents, people that don't have any or know any rigorous ethical constraint can get away with horrible shit, and people that purposely avoid reading patents when they're doing something can get off light ;]
2017-05-29T01:26:36 < sklv> im trying to use openocd to debug without success - if i telnet into openocd and run reset halt and then run continue in gdb it never hits my breakpoint in main. if i power up the mcu without stlink the firmware runs fine
2017-05-29T01:27:01 < ohsix> gotta run
2017-05-29T01:27:13 < Rob235> peace out cubscout
2017-05-29T01:27:33 < sklv> i think its because when i run reset halt the pc is 0x20000108
2017-05-29T01:41:04 < Thorn> does it work after reset init?
2017-05-29T01:41:32 < Thorn> (and you can use the 'monitor' command in gdb, no need to use telnet)
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2017-05-29T01:42:03 < sklv> if i type monitor reset in gdb it doesn't do anything in openocd
2017-05-29T01:42:13 < zyp> can't you just do «run» in gdb to restart from the beginning?
2017-05-29T01:42:24 < zyp> that's what I do, at least, but I don't use openocd
2017-05-29T01:42:33 < sklv> "The "remote" target does not support "run".  Try "help target" or "continue""
2017-05-29T01:42:43 < sklv> i can do continue but then it never reaches my breakpoint
2017-05-29T01:42:47 < zyp> did you connect with target extended-remote?
2017-05-29T01:42:51 < Thorn> is your gdb even connected to openocd?
2017-05-29T01:43:09 < sklv> "Info : accepting 'gdb' connection on tcp/3333"
2017-05-29T01:43:24 < sklv> if i do mon reg in gdb it prints the same output in openocd
2017-05-29T01:43:37 < zyp> did you use target remote or target extended-remote in gdb?
2017-05-29T01:43:48 < sklv> target remote
2017-05-29T01:43:52 < zyp> extended-remote should give you run
2017-05-29T01:44:47 < sklv> zyp: ok now it's running but there's nothing happening, its not reaching main
2017-05-29T01:45:55 < zyp> what board is this?
2017-05-29T01:46:07 < Thorn> maybe it crashes or hangs in startup
2017-05-29T01:46:29 < sklv> stm32f103 dip40 aliexpress board
2017-05-29T01:46:42 < zyp> got a schematic for it?
2017-05-29T01:46:47 < sklv> yea
2017-05-29T01:47:15 < sklv> http://wiki.stm32duino.com/images/b/b4/JC66_CoreBoard_schemetic.png
2017-05-29T01:48:08 < zyp> how do you have the jumpers on P4 set?
2017-05-29T01:48:14 < sklv> to vcc
2017-05-29T01:48:51 < zyp> uh, are you trying to execute from ram rather than flash?
2017-05-29T01:49:33 < sklv> i didn't check the jumpers this might be the issue
2017-05-29T01:49:38 < zyp> yes.
2017-05-29T01:49:54 < zyp> unless you want to use the serial bootloader or do something weird, you want boot0 tied to ground
2017-05-29T01:50:07 < zyp> boot1 is don't care when boot0 is low
2017-05-29T01:52:07 < sklv> zyp: that was dumb everythign works
2017-05-29T01:52:51 < zyp> well, the dumb part is «if i power up the mcu without stlink the firmware runs fine»
2017-05-29T01:53:00 < zyp> that shouldn't be true if boot0 is not low :)
2017-05-29T01:53:50 < sklv> zyp: I offer no explanation
2017-05-29T02:00:58 < Rob235> if I have two wifi routers physically next to each other, are they smart enough to be on different channels? will they affect eachother?
2017-05-29T02:34:40 < sklv> Rob235: depends on the router a lot.
2017-05-29T02:35:03 < Rob235> my asus should be fine, not sure about the fios one
2017-05-29T02:35:37 < sklv> only way to be sure is to check
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2017-05-29T03:01:21 < ohsix> derp
2017-05-29T03:13:52 < upgrdman_> so classy  http://i.imgur.com/QZjrdxx.gifv
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2017-05-29T03:17:10 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/5hp6kcg5p90z.jpg
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2017-05-29T03:29:58 < crt> CHEER
2017-05-29T03:30:17 < crt> bookmarked
2017-05-29T03:31:02 < crt> arduinoism spectrum
2017-05-29T03:33:44 < Laurenceb_> >A “dangerous” rapist who attacked a vulnerable teenage girl and told her she “shouldn’t run away because he had one leg” has been jailed.
2017-05-29T03:33:52 < Laurenceb_> it's uk news
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2017-05-29T03:39:38 < crt> yes it is
2017-05-29T03:39:49 < crt> so rolf harris is already tearing it up?
2017-05-29T04:00:13 < Laurenceb_> you need to invest https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/arlan-robotics-service-droid-1-0-sex-electric#/
2017-05-29T04:00:23 < dongs> old as fuck
2017-05-29T04:00:24 < Laurenceb_> this is why you are coming to uk amirite?
2017-05-29T04:00:37 < dongs> lol, closed
2017-05-29T04:00:41 < dongs> are tehy gonna ship anything
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2017-05-29T04:18:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rndm38C.jpg
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2017-05-29T04:31:13 < crt> Laurenceb: i was there to pick up assange
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2017-05-29T05:22:07 < crt> TRIPATH
2017-05-29T05:22:09 < crt> fuck that shit
2017-05-29T05:35:33 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ5ziNOtoMU
2017-05-29T05:44:21 < englishman> aandrew: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/05/stock-photo-white-guy-wins-conservative-leadership-race/
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2017-05-29T06:34:38 < crt> ty
2017-05-29T06:37:05 < crt> welcome Peter_M
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2017-05-29T06:55:54 < ohsix> http://fagasstraps.com/
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2017-05-29T07:33:22 < englishman> In just over 10 days, there were 2.5 million Fidget Spinner searches on Pornhub
2017-05-29T07:33:38 < Peter_M> ...
2017-05-29T07:33:40 < Peter_M> wut
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2017-05-29T07:33:57 < Peter_M> wrong search box?
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2017-05-29T07:34:46 < englishman> these things have appeared in all the corner stores in the last few days, even grocery and hardware stores
2017-05-29T07:34:52 < englishman> up to $15
2017-05-29T07:35:23 < Peter_M> lol, did google searches about subject, one comment ">BangBus is a concerted effort by the public transportation lobby to discourage hitchhiking"
2017-05-29T07:35:43 < Peter_M> fucking autismos
2017-05-29T07:35:50 < englishman> typo, they meant encourage
2017-05-29T07:41:01 < crt> meat engine
2017-05-29T07:41:04 < crt> thats what i read that as
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2017-05-29T09:15:02 < crt> the dogs and their mischief
2017-05-29T09:36:41 < dongs> https://github.com/jimon/stm32_i8086 max autism
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2017-05-29T09:45:15 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL9G_VRCeGg
2017-05-29T09:45:26 < ohsix> dang
2017-05-29T09:45:37 < ohsix> stephen brody stevens is having a multi-day long meltdown on twitter
2017-05-29T09:45:43 < ohsix> posting peoples pictures and shit
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2017-05-29T09:51:14 < upgrdman> theres a gold trace going from the die cap to the left side of the CDIP... whats that trace for  https://github.com/jimon/stm32_i8086/blob/master/doc/img_cpu.jpg
2017-05-29T09:52:55 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yKKAuSLB/IMG_0128.JPG
2017-05-29T09:55:08 < crt> HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF HEXFETS IN LINEAR POWER AMPLIFIERIS
2017-05-29T09:56:13 < upgrdman> needs a bigger toroid tranny
2017-05-29T09:56:30 < upgrdman> that looks almost powerful enough to use as a headphone amp
2017-05-29T09:58:03 < crt> THE DOGS
2017-05-29T09:59:20 < upgrdman> heh, reading an article on bayesian inference, and "Given what you know about men’s and women’s hairstyles in your area, you might assume that this is a woman. (In this oversimplification, there are only two hair lengths and genders.)"   wtf, even academic wankers are SJWs now.
2017-05-29T09:59:47 < upgrdman> TIL two genders is an oversimplification
2017-05-29T10:01:31 < ohsix> heh
2017-05-29T10:02:34 < ohsix> in just the context of what you posted, that's probably a joke, especially given that the article is on bayesian inference
2017-05-29T10:03:12 < ohsix> and that silly term is mostly propped up by people calling this or that thing a charicature of social justice
2017-05-29T10:03:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, from https://brohrer.github.io/how_bayesian_inference_works.html
2017-05-29T10:04:18 < ohsix> nice
2017-05-29T10:04:24 < ohsix> not a joke, just silly
2017-05-29T10:04:32 < ohsix> even talks about being in line for certain bathrooms haha
2017-05-29T10:05:19 < ohsix> the real answer is hey long hair
2017-05-29T10:05:39 < ohsix> or just excuse me, you dropped your ticket
2017-05-29T10:05:48 < ohsix> being in a theatre, approximately everyone is going to care about that
2017-05-29T10:08:36 < ohsix> shrug, no idea what he's going for
2017-05-29T10:08:53 < ohsix> seems overly long for that subject and i'm not going to read it to see if it was a good approach ;D
2017-05-29T10:09:43 < ohsix> re: t hat cpu thing, good question
2017-05-29T10:10:35 < ohsix> wonder if it isn't some sort of thing to help with electrodeposition before they're cut out for use
2017-05-29T10:11:42 < upgrdman> someone should write some articles on bayes statistics with troll probabilities. like "probability of not knowing your father, if you're black" or "probability of having AIDS if you're gay"
2017-05-29T10:15:40 < ohsix> http://www.ametek-ecp.com/-/media/ametek-ecp/files/productdownloadabledocuments/electronicpackagingdatasheets/hightemperaturecofiredceramicpackagedesignandapplicationsimaps2014.pdf?la=en dang there's some pretty pictures
2017-05-29T10:16:01 < ohsix> upgrdman: you could write a template that replaced the thing in question with random shit
2017-05-29T10:17:11 < ohsix> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/KL_Hybrid_Circuit_b.jpg/1200px-KL_Hybrid_Circuit_b.jpg
2017-05-29T10:18:17 < upgrdman> heh, page 4 looks like a breakout board for a peanut  http://www.ametek-ecp.com/-/media/ametek-ecp/files/productdownloadabledocuments/electronicpackagingdatasheets/hightemperaturecofiredceramicpackagedesignandapplicationsimaps2014.pdf?la=en
2017-05-29T10:30:25 < ohsix> zomg twitter ded
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2017-05-29T10:32:02 < ohsix> huh everything is dead
2017-05-29T10:32:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: hurr probably for some specialized image sensor that's a whole small wafer on a weird process
2017-05-29T10:38:21 < ohsix> gah did anyones intertubes take a shit proper like 8 minutes ago
2017-05-29T10:40:06 < ohsix> internetpulse.net doesn't show the network to network transit time stuff anymore, so i don't know what's goin gonnnnn
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2017-05-29T10:52:39 < crt> GRUb
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2017-05-29T11:46:31 < ohsix> that may have even been a bad cable
2017-05-29T11:59:02 < crt> i think its pretty
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2017-05-29T12:02:50 < crt> welcome tec2
2017-05-29T12:05:06 < Tectu> hi
2017-05-29T12:05:11 < Tectu> how is stuff?
2017-05-29T12:05:36 < crt> very good my friend
2017-05-29T12:06:45 < Tectu> how is deportion going?
2017-05-29T12:06:59 < crt> find out later this week mate
2017-05-29T12:07:56 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8oGgRX7a8U
2017-05-29T12:08:13 < crt> ty Thorn
2017-05-29T12:08:37 < Tectu> is that zypcopter?
2017-05-29T12:09:28 < crt> thank
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2017-05-29T12:09:49 < crt> https://www.digikey.com.au/products/en?keywords=capacitor
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2017-05-29T12:21:27 < Tectu> did you miss the tectu?
2017-05-29T12:24:28 < Fleck> yes
2017-05-29T12:24:33 < Fleck> hello Tectu
2017-05-29T12:24:42 < Tectu> :')
2017-05-29T12:24:44 < Tectu> Hello Mr. Fleck
2017-05-29T12:24:51 < crt> welcom
2017-05-29T12:24:59 < crt> fleck how is the amplifier
2017-05-29T12:26:55 < Fleck> last known info - works great
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2017-05-29T12:28:39 < crt> i see
2017-05-29T12:28:45 < crt> i like the amplifier
2017-05-29T12:33:31 < crt> kloners are kloning
2017-05-29T12:34:46 < Fleck> yeah
2017-05-29T12:36:49 < crt> hmmm
2017-05-29T12:48:12 < crt> the dirtiest modulator
2017-05-29T12:48:13 < crt> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-Tripath-TA3020-ES-STEREO-300W-class-T-Digital-Audio-/132196051889
2017-05-29T12:48:28 < crt> one of these nigger enabled dogs landed on my bench yestesrday
2017-05-29T13:01:26 < ohsix> crt: deportation?
2017-05-29T13:07:13 < dongs> crt, found your project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCI04jkKOeE
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2017-05-29T13:11:50 < crt> ty
2017-05-29T13:12:28 < crt> check this tho
2017-05-29T13:12:28 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxNA0ajkxw
2017-05-29T13:13:05 < dongs> i cant understand that niggertalk
2017-05-29T13:13:16 < crt> https://elektrotanya.com/db-technologies_digipro600b_sch.pdf/download.html
2017-05-29T13:13:21 < crt> look at the schematic
2017-05-29T13:13:32 < crt> this is the cancer i'm dealing with on a daily basis
2017-05-29T13:13:33 < dongs> im busy coding uguufx
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2017-05-29T13:13:51 < crt> tek2gfx
2017-05-29T13:13:53 < crt> sick cunt
2017-05-29T13:14:13 < dongs> no, instead of paying tectu im just writing my own
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2017-05-29T13:15:44 < crt> cool
2017-05-29T13:15:51 < crt> call it jewgfx you stupid nigger
2017-05-29T13:18:24 < jadew> sup?
2017-05-29T13:19:25 < crt> just pumping on IRC
2017-05-29T13:19:36 < crt> you sir?
2017-05-29T13:19:53 < jadew> being lazy
2017-05-29T13:20:40 < jadew> I'm adding a new feature to my backup program, so it packs and encrypts stuff automatically
2017-05-29T13:21:20 < jadew> that way I don't run the risk of typing the password wrong when encrypting the backup
2017-05-29T13:21:43 < ohsix> duplicity can do that, and other stuff that's nice
2017-05-29T13:22:17 < jadew> ohsix, I know there are other tools out there that do similar stuff, but I like my tool best
2017-05-29T13:22:30 < jadew> simply because I can specify what to copy and what not to copy with regex
2017-05-29T13:23:58 < ohsix> are there backup programs that don't do that?
2017-05-29T13:24:55 < jadew> I don't know, the ones I looked at when I wrote this thing didn't have very smart filters
2017-05-29T13:25:02 < ohsix> http://duplicity.nongnu.org/duplicity.1.html
2017-05-29T13:25:03 < ohsix> ic
2017-05-29T13:25:13 < crt> hmmm
2017-05-29T13:25:20 < ohsix> duplicity can generate pars, lul
2017-05-29T13:25:29 < jadew> what's a par?
2017-05-29T13:25:30 < ohsix> and use gpg, nice
2017-05-29T13:25:38 < ohsix> parity archive, reed solomon
2017-05-29T13:25:54 < ohsix> so if you subsequently write them to a cd you can recover from some errors
2017-05-29T13:26:01 < ohsix> or a hard drive for that matter
2017-05-29T13:26:10 < jadew> ah
2017-05-29T13:26:26 < ohsix> dang duplicity does a lot more stuff than it did when i started using it
2017-05-29T13:26:29 < crt> parabolic aluminum reflector?
2017-05-29T13:27:04 < ohsix> crt: spaghetti bowl
2017-05-29T13:28:24 < jadew> ohsix, my tool does the important stuff that tool does too
2017-05-29T13:28:47 < jadew> except it works with a config file, instead of command line options
2017-05-29T13:28:50 < crt> 12 gauge shotgunnnnn
2017-05-29T13:29:21 < jadew> that includes, testing, incremental backup, exclusion/inclusion
2017-05-29T13:29:33 < crt> dongs what is quicker ugfx segger or dongfx
2017-05-29T13:30:33 < dongs> well uguufx doesnt do anything ecept drawing so
2017-05-29T13:31:27 < dongs> segger is best
2017-05-29T13:31:28 < crt> yeah unfortunately i haven't been able to keil since all these munted amplifiers flooded my factoryspace
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2017-05-29T13:34:18  * crt throws a diode at jadew 
2017-05-29T13:35:07  * jadew blocks it with another diode in reverse polarity
2017-05-29T13:35:12 < crt> fucken dog
2017-05-29T13:36:20 < crt> this whole thing is dogged
2017-05-29T13:36:43 < crt> IR is pig disgusting
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2017-05-29T13:39:31 < crt> bus pumping
2017-05-29T13:41:22 < crt> Another marked cause of degradation in Class D amplifiers is bus pumping, which can be seen when the half bridge topology is powering a low frequency output to the load. Always keep in mind that the gain of a Class D amplifier stage is directly proportional to the bus voltage. Therefore, bus fluctuation creates distortion. Since the energy flowing in the
2017-05-29T13:41:22 < crt> Class D switching stage is bi-directional, there is a period where the Class D amplifier feeds energy back to the power supply
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2017-05-29T13:43:15 < crt> rofl
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2017-05-29T13:59:24 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/8af9YVIqhRk?t=841
2017-05-29T14:00:09 < ohsix> jadew: being able to pass configuration in a file would be handy, but you can also just wrap it with a here document or something
2017-05-29T14:08:32 < ohsix> for upgrdman later: the gold trace grounds the lid
2017-05-29T14:15:09 < kakimir> anyone into machine learning and optimizing?
2017-05-29T14:15:17 < dongs> i bet amp!six is
2017-05-29T14:17:22 < Thorn> ok so apparently https://fuseproject.com/ is one of the top 3 product design firms. what are the other 2
2017-05-29T14:17:41 < dongs> omfg
2017-05-29T14:17:49 < dongs> so those are the faggots who mae the enclosure for those WD drives
2017-05-29T14:17:53 < dongs> holy fuck they're awful
2017-05-29T14:17:58 < dongs> https://fuseproject.com/work/western-digital/western-digital/?focus=overview
2017-05-29T14:17:59 < dongs> this shit
2017-05-29T14:18:07 < dongs> it feels cheap as fuck and plasticky
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2017-05-29T14:27:28 < kakimir> what is the state of innovation dongs ?
2017-05-29T14:30:23 < Thorn> what is the point of D1, D3 and D2 in http://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/mosfet-driver-(push-pull-bjt-output)/?action=dlattach;attach=261899;image
2017-05-29T14:31:33 < Thorn> D2 probably prevents saturation of Q2
2017-05-29T14:31:45 < dongs> fucking garbage link
2017-05-29T14:31:47 < Thorn> but what about the rest of them
2017-05-29T14:31:48 < dongs> cant even click it
2017-05-29T14:32:06 < dongs> mosfet driver...
2017-05-29T14:32:07 < dongs> you know
2017-05-29T14:32:11 < dongs> you can just buy a driver IC right
2017-05-29T14:32:14 < kakimir> I can't click any link.. windows creators update disabled puttytray
2017-05-29T14:32:16 < dongs> that takes up 10x less space
2017-05-29T14:32:20 < dongs> kakimir: wut
2017-05-29T14:32:28 < dongs> im using puttytray on cretinupdate
2017-05-29T14:32:30 < dongs> zero issues
2017-05-29T14:32:39 < kakimir> I won't launch
2017-05-29T14:32:44 < kakimir> it says nothing
2017-05-29T14:32:46 < Thorn> what about the price
2017-05-29T14:32:52 < dongs> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-05-29T14:32:55 < kakimir> admins -> nothing
2017-05-29T14:33:08 < dongs> Thorn: pennies from china
2017-05-29T14:33:11 < Thorn> are there mosfet drivers that would cost $1 for 16?
2017-05-29T14:33:16 < dongs> like IRF2401 or wahtever shit
2017-05-29T14:33:30 < dongs> thorn, how the FUCK would taht retarded circuit cost $1 for 16
2017-05-29T14:33:44 < dongs> there's liek 20 discrete parts
2017-05-29T14:34:46 < Thorn> those bjts are 1 cent each from china
2017-05-29T14:35:15 < Thorn> (I'm not counting the actual power mosfet)
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2017-05-29T14:35:54 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/cheap-faggot/391180469613
2017-05-29T14:35:57 < sklv> Thorn even with discretes you don't need that much stuff to drive a mosfet
2017-05-29T14:38:33 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Need-humidity-temperature-logger/ attn Laurenceb
2017-05-29T14:39:03 < dongs> bwahah @ ESP
2017-05-29T14:39:05 < dongs> fucking cunts
2017-05-29T14:39:09 < dongs> is that shit even rated to -40
2017-05-29T14:40:15 < kakimir> is it rated even bellow zero
2017-05-29T14:40:22 < kakimir> is the real question
2017-05-29T14:40:59 < dongs> https://github.com/esp8266/esp8266-wiki/wiki
2017-05-29T14:41:01 < dongs> well ill be damned
2017-05-29T14:41:05 < dongs> Operating temperature range -40C ~ 125C
2017-05-29T14:41:13 < kakimir> hey... use ptc heater dongs
2017-05-29T14:41:25 < dongs> but yeah fuck esp
2017-05-29T14:42:45 < Thorn> >30PCS US $9.65 http://www.deliberateblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/grumpy-cat-no-because-no.jpg
2017-05-29T14:43:22 < dongs> ok dudebro. good luck rolling 16 copies of that analog circuit wiht blowjobtransistors
2017-05-29T14:44:50 < specing> haters gonna hate
2017-05-29T14:45:31 < dongs> says a guy who idles in #kikecad
2017-05-29T14:48:53 < specing> and?
2017-05-29T14:49:12 < dongs> im just being a cock
2017-05-29T14:49:29 < specing> I know
2017-05-29T14:50:21 < kakimir> did dongs just admit that.. you are losing your edge dongs
2017-05-29T14:51:06 < specing> dongs is idling in #kikecad as well. Definetely something wrong
2017-05-29T14:52:12 < emeryth> but he does it ironically
2017-05-29T14:52:21 < dongs> shit, am i?
2017-05-29T14:52:28 < dongs> i joined there to troll like months ago
2017-05-29T14:54:54 < kakimir> :D
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2017-05-29T15:08:42 < dongs> lol wow i found sores to my slashdot-posting bot I wrote for GNAA in 2004
2017-05-29T15:09:11 < dongs> i think it even got on irc
2017-05-29T15:09:53 < dongs> or no, i guess it was running identd for ircing wiht proxy
2017-05-29T15:18:36 < crt> Oh dong
2017-05-29T15:28:05 < TheSeven> hm, having some weird DMA issue
2017-05-29T15:28:26 < TheSeven> stm32f205, using DMA1 stream 7 to send data via SPI3 (channel 0)
2017-05-29T15:28:36 < TheSeven> seems like only the first few bytes arrive for some reason
2017-05-29T15:28:50 < TheSeven> like 5 of 32
2017-05-29T15:29:06 < TheSeven> the time that the transfer takes aligns with how long the SPI would need to send all 32 though
2017-05-29T15:29:27 < TheSeven> if I don't use DMA, everything seems to work fine...
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2017-05-29T15:43:32 < TheSeven> DMA vs. non-DMA only makes 1µs execution time difference
2017-05-29T15:43:36 < TheSeven> 39µs vs. 40µs
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2017-05-29T15:49:57 < zyp> put a logic analyzer on the bus, check and compare how it looks with and without DMA
2017-05-29T15:51:02  * TheSeven doesn't really feel like getting access to those signals on the board right now :/
2017-05-29T15:51:59 < TheSeven> but yeah, the timing of the bytes might provide some clue...
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2017-05-29T16:25:05 < Laurenceb_> http://i.magaimg.net/img/n3h.jpg
2017-05-29T16:25:32 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/hVtMK0D.gif
2017-05-29T16:29:16 < TheSeven> wow, something deasserts chip select in the middle of a byte
2017-05-29T16:29:22 < TheSeven> who even dares to touch that...
2017-05-29T16:29:32 < TheSeven> I thought I had checked everything that would possibly change that pin
2017-05-29T16:30:03 < zyp> :)
2017-05-29T16:31:56 < TheSeven> arrrrgh
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2017-05-29T17:24:14 < Rob235> what to do what to do
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2017-05-29T17:58:56 < kilobyte_ch> I'm using the STM32Cube on an L1 MCU. Is there an Appnote or so on how to develop an User Application in the STM32Cube? I have absolute no idea what I have to add or modify in the Makefile and where to put my C and H files..
2017-05-29T17:59:11 < dongs> what do you mean?
2017-05-29T17:59:13 < dongs> makefiles?
2017-05-29T17:59:14 < dongs> why?
2017-05-29T17:59:37 < specing> Wasnt STM32Cube that proprietary shit?
2017-05-29T17:59:38 < dongs> cube already generates a working project right?
2017-05-29T17:59:45 < dongs> so just add code there
2017-05-29T17:59:52 < specing> y u no use libopencm3?
2017-05-29T18:00:03 < dongs> because it truly IS shit
2017-05-29T18:00:24 < specing> dongs you are in no position to make that judgement
2017-05-29T18:00:25 < Steffanx> Its even supposed to generate real makefiles now
2017-05-29T18:00:38 < Steffanx> It = cube
2017-05-29T18:00:44 < dongs> specing: sure i am, I've tried to use libAlmostNothingIsSupportedButItsOpenSTM32
2017-05-29T18:00:57 < Steffanx> OpenCM3
2017-05-29T18:01:11 < Steffanx> Its more than stm32
2017-05-29T18:01:13 < dongs> but the fact that it spreads shit over like 9000 files makes it hard as fuck already to add to keil projects
2017-05-29T18:01:25 < dongs> and then the fact that half the supported targets are either broken or only support like 2-3 peripherals doesnt help
2017-05-29T18:01:31 < kilobyte_ch> Yes, I have a working basic project with all the HAL and what not.
2017-05-29T18:01:42 < kilobyte_ch> But now I want to develop my user application in this construct.
2017-05-29T18:01:58 < dongs> so just do it?
2017-05-29T18:02:04 < dongs> there's a comment in main // ADD CODE HERE
2017-05-29T18:02:14 < dongs> just go from there
2017-05-29T18:02:19 < kilobyte_ch> For Example I want to port the LMIC Library to it. Where have I to put my additional C and H files
2017-05-29T18:02:29 < dongs> what is lMIC
2017-05-29T18:02:40 < dongs> LoRA shit?
2017-05-29T18:02:41 < kilobyte_ch> It's a ansi C library
2017-05-29T18:02:43 < kilobyte_ch> yep
2017-05-29T18:03:07 < dongs> add them to wahetver IDE you generated cube projcet for?
2017-05-29T18:03:18 < kilobyte_ch> but it applys to every c related things, I have no clue where to put "additional" and/or own C / H files into this STM32Cube thing
2017-05-29T18:03:28 < kilobyte_ch> hundreds of folders and no plan where to put it and how to include it
2017-05-29T18:03:30 < dongs> you don't. you configure teh shit
2017-05-29T18:03:35 < dongs> then output project
2017-05-29T18:03:41 < dongs> then open it in wahtever IDE you output it for
2017-05-29T18:03:48 < dongs> and use that IDE to add additionla shit.
2017-05-29T18:04:34 < kilobyte_ch> For example I write a Graphics Library containing of an C and H file. Where do I have to put them?
2017-05-29T18:05:39 < dongs> what fucking IDE are you using??
2017-05-29T18:05:48 < kilobyte_ch> I'm using the Makefile option without an IDE
2017-05-29T18:05:52 < dongs> then you're fucked
2017-05-29T18:06:02 < dongs> go download sw4stm32 or wahtever and use that shit
2017-05-29T18:06:03 < kilobyte_ch> How could I do it in Keil?
2017-05-29T18:06:23 < dongs> export project to keil, open it, add files as you want
2017-05-29T18:06:25 < dongs> duh?
2017-05-29T18:06:33 < dongs> or export project to sw4stm32, etc etc.
2017-05-29T18:06:41 < Steffanx> Eclipse can do that too.
2017-05-29T18:06:42 < kilobyte_ch> wait, export my shit to keil and try..
2017-05-29T18:06:57 < Steffanx> Or whatever clipse based ide
2017-05-29T18:07:03 < dongs> thats sw4stm32
2017-05-29T18:08:24 < kilobyte_ch> Do I just have to put my C files into the "Src" folder and my H files into "INC"?
2017-05-29T18:09:00 < dongs> i guess, or you can just make a lib\ or something thing and stick shit there, then add it to include path etc..
2017-05-29T18:09:05 < dongs> you know, basic things you do with IDE
2017-05-29T18:09:10 < dongs> why the fuck woudl file location ever matter
2017-05-29T18:09:36 < kilobyte_ch> Couldn't get it working yet, so I'm asking like a piece of shit here.. :P
2017-05-29T18:10:03 < dongs> this is not a stm32 question tho, this is a 'how do i compute' question
2017-05-29T18:10:58 < aandrew> we get a lot of that here
2017-05-29T18:11:38 < aandrew> just use cube and be done with it
2017-05-29T18:11:48 < dongs> he already USES cube
2017-05-29T18:11:52 < aandrew> then what's the issue
2017-05-29T18:11:57 < dongs> but hes too dumb to figure out "how to add files to project"
2017-05-29T18:12:00 < aandrew> too much scrollback
2017-05-29T18:12:02 < aandrew> oh
2017-05-29T18:12:06 < aandrew> I just use a makefile
2017-05-29T18:12:14 < aandrew> fuck eclipse
2017-05-29T18:12:14 < dongs> maybe you can help him then
2017-05-29T18:12:25 < aandrew> I pastebinned a makefile template I use
2017-05-29T18:12:28 < aandrew> moment
2017-05-29T18:12:40 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/H0tiJ1A1
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2017-05-29T18:13:43 < karlp> cube can also now generate makefiles...
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2017-05-29T18:14:16 < dongs> aandrew: fuck all that shit. sticking with keil
2017-05-29T18:14:23 < aandrew> you do that. lel
2017-05-29T18:14:32 < englishman> did stm32 get blogged somewhere
2017-05-29T18:14:34 < aandrew> god keil makes me puke
2017-05-29T18:14:37 < englishman> lots of new people this week
2017-05-29T18:14:38 < englishman> haha
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2017-05-29T18:26:56 < Tectu> I smell swisser
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2017-05-29T18:28:31  * Tectu looks at kilobyte_ch 
2017-05-29T18:29:04 < englishman> tek-chu
2017-05-29T18:29:32 < karlp> hum, default makefile generation is a bit lame though
2017-05-29T18:29:46 < karlp> requires explicit path to toolchain
2017-05-29T18:30:52 < kilobyte_ch> Tectu yep, swiss
2017-05-29T18:31:07 < Tectu> boooooh
2017-05-29T18:31:35 < englishman> viva helvetica
2017-05-29T18:34:17 < karlp> wot. comic sans or gtfo.
2017-05-29T18:34:42 < englishman> there are no countries named comic sans tho
2017-05-29T18:35:01 < Tectu> if there was, Laurenceb would be the president
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2017-05-29T19:08:27 < Steffanx> !wz comic
2017-05-29T19:08:28 < dieforirc> [Comical Corners, New Jersey] Overcast. Temp is 14.6°C. ESE wind: 6.4 kph. Humidity: 94%.
2017-05-29T19:09:58 < kakimir> !wz efku
2017-05-29T19:09:59 < dieforirc> [EFKU, Finland] Clear. Temp is 10°C. WNW wind: 22 kph.
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2017-05-29T19:12:03 < kakimir> weather service in build around institutions of seafaring and aviation
2017-05-29T19:12:08 < kakimir> originally
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2017-05-29T19:12:26 < Steffanx> !wz kaki
2017-05-29T19:12:28 < dieforirc> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Clear. Temp is 41°C. WSW wind: 7 kph.
2017-05-29T19:12:37 < Steffanx> No sueprise
2017-05-29T19:12:40 < Steffanx> Surprise
2017-05-29T19:12:52 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-05-29T19:13:17 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/Zq3PeIMA80ySmMB4MYzyRQ.jpg
2017-05-29T19:13:22 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/enZ2Z2Wll0yzjn47xnWe3w.jpg
2017-05-29T19:13:29 < kakimir> thoughtbubble: how did they find out... my orgins
2017-05-29T19:13:49 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8f13708210/19947.jpg
2017-05-29T19:14:02 < Rob235> what does !wz use
2017-05-29T19:14:03 < Rob235> !wz
2017-05-29T19:14:07 < kakimir> fix buttytray for me Laurenceb_
2017-05-29T19:14:08 < Rob235> !wz 07740
2017-05-29T19:14:10 < dieforirc> [07740 - Long Branch, NJ] Rain. Temp is 13.7°C. North wind: 13.0 kph. Humidity: 95%.
2017-05-29T19:14:12 < kakimir> it wont launch
2017-05-29T19:14:13 < Rob235> there we go
2017-05-29T19:14:17 < kakimir> hard to follow up your links
2017-05-29T19:14:41 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8f13708210/19944.jpg
2017-05-29T19:15:03 < Rob235> Laurenceb_: Shhhh
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2017-05-29T19:18:40 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/SFR7puf
2017-05-29T19:19:10 < Steffanx>  See, Laurenceb_ really is write only.
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2017-05-29T19:20:24 < Rob235> hmm tiger woods got a dui
2017-05-29T19:20:43 < Rob235> hes not lookin so good
2017-05-29T19:21:49 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/2nypq0D.gifv
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2017-05-29T19:23:33 < Steffanx> Hows the beer and relaxing tub englishman ?
2017-05-29T19:23:48 < englishman> hot tub repairman will have to come back and bring his pals :(
2017-05-29T19:23:54 < englishman> so i went to work
2017-05-29T19:24:03 < Steffanx> Cant do it alone?! :s
2017-05-29T19:24:06 < aandrew> nothing says hetero like a hot tub full of middle aged men
2017-05-29T19:24:45 < Steffanx> Sadly we are all millenials (and a few grandpas)
2017-05-29T19:27:33 < aandrew> we are?
2017-05-29T19:27:38 < aandrew> I'm 41
2017-05-29T19:27:51 < englishman> yep, millennian
2017-05-29T19:28:06 < karlp> englishman: epic video
2017-05-29T19:28:13 < karlp> drove off into the wild blue yonder
2017-05-29T19:28:15 < karlp> what airport?
2017-05-29T19:28:20 < englishman> kazak
2017-05-29T19:28:26 < englishman> 15 day jail sentence
2017-05-29T19:28:37 < karlp> youtube link form imgur is "deleted account"
2017-05-29T19:28:51 < englishman> *kazan
2017-05-29T19:28:51 < englishman> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/drunk-driver-car-thruough-russia-airport-terminal-kazan-international-a7491951.html
2017-05-29T19:32:36 < karlp> man, I always forget how fucking big and windy and long the volga is.
2017-05-29T19:36:36 < Steffanx> aandrew: note the (and a few grandpa) ;)
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2017-05-29T19:36:41 < Steffanx> On the internet you are that.
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2017-05-29T19:44:58 < aandrew> oh I'm a grandpa now
2017-05-29T19:44:59 < aandrew> haha
2017-05-29T19:45:00 < aandrew> not yet
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2017-05-29T19:51:46 < Laurenceb_> Laci Green is now the alt-right
2017-05-29T19:51:57 < Laurenceb_> what a time to be alive
2017-05-29T19:52:09 < aandrew> wtf is that
2017-05-29T19:52:42 < Laurenceb_> the memes dude
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2017-05-29T19:52:59 < Laurenceb_> the most memetic thing that ever happened
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2017-05-29T20:19:01 < Tectu> I AM LEAVING
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2017-05-29T20:21:58 < oz4ga> What happened to Tectu ?
2017-05-29T20:25:05 -!- Teeed [~teeed@vps.na1noc.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2017-05-29T20:27:59 < jpa-> he left
2017-05-29T20:30:24 < Steffanx> Yes, but what happened to Tectu?
2017-05-29T20:30:33 < Steffanx> That wasnt tectu
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2017-05-29T20:36:15 < Laurenceb_> 4chan irl
2017-05-29T20:36:17 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/mkiIM44
2017-05-29T20:36:41 < Laurenceb_> which one is Tectu
2017-05-29T20:36:53 < karlp> no one cares laurence
2017-05-29T20:38:00 < Steffanx> What karlp said.
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2017-05-29T20:47:09 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/QzEi2Mr
2017-05-29T20:47:20 < Laurenceb_> I know who I'll be voting for
2017-05-29T20:57:09 < jpa-> they let Laurenceb_ vote?
2017-05-29T20:57:19 < sync> unfortunately
2017-05-29T20:59:28 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: whodat
2017-05-29T20:59:54 < Laurenceb_> our new PM
2017-05-29T21:00:05 < Laurenceb_> once they let me vote
2017-05-29T21:08:59 < Steffanx> iirc you also voted for brexit
2017-05-29T21:11:04 < Laurenceb_> voting mode: epin troll
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2017-05-29T21:37:14 < Tectu> I AM BACK
2017-05-29T21:37:21 < Rob235> welcome
2017-05-29T21:38:00 < Tectu> how´s vapin´?
2017-05-29T21:38:10 < Rob235> Wouldn't know
2017-05-29T21:39:02 < Rob235> how's sodomyin'
2017-05-29T21:39:23 < Rob235> I regret asking that
2017-05-29T21:41:18 < Rob235> hmm, should I relax for the next week before school starts or try and get a head start
2017-05-29T21:41:29 < Tectu> do both
2017-05-29T21:45:17 < Steffanx> both
2017-05-29T21:47:02 < Rob235> what does that mean? get a small head start?
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2017-05-29T21:49:03 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdbKz5CyhA
2017-05-29T21:50:17 < Steffanx> Hi Fleck. How are you today?
2017-05-29T21:50:38 < Fleck> aasom, as always! :P
2017-05-29T21:51:22 < Steffanx> Excellent! Im glad to hear that Fleck.
2017-05-29T21:51:40 < Fleck> srsly? ;P
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2017-05-29T21:53:41 < Steffanx> Yes, Fleck :)
2017-05-29T21:57:46 < specing> Wasn't there a song called "liar liar" hitting top 10 in the UK now?
2017-05-29T21:57:54 < specing> about margaret thatcher
2017-05-29T21:58:24 < Steffanx> 4chan was downloading i ugess.
2017-05-29T22:00:01 < Fleck> hi specing
2017-05-29T22:00:06 < specing> sup
2017-05-29T22:00:19 < Steffanx> Sky, such question...
2017-05-29T22:00:20 < Tectu> people
2017-05-29T22:00:24 < Tectu> why
2017-05-29T22:00:30 < Steffanx> ?
2017-05-29T22:01:27 < specing> Steffanx: ceiling
2017-05-29T22:01:31 < specing> such answer...
2017-05-29T22:01:50 < Steffanx> Hi specing, what made you so active lately?
2017-05-29T22:02:08 < Steffanx> Also found the new-##stm32er blogs?
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2017-05-29T22:13:40 < Steffanx> Damnit crt, go sleep.
2017-05-29T22:13:56 < crt> Hi sexy
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2017-05-29T22:16:03 < specing> Steffanx: avoiding work
2017-05-29T22:17:19 < crt> I am cold
2017-05-29T22:18:34 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JESnci57/A0860794-6BE8-4DC2-AB01-1EBE9B3C7461-3780-0000030C1E0E444D.png
2017-05-29T22:19:06 < Steffanx> !wz australia
2017-05-29T22:19:07 < dieforirc> [Australia and New Zealand, Australia] Clear. Temp is 9°C. SE wind: 10 kph.
2017-05-29T22:19:13 < Steffanx> Yes, that's cold.
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2017-05-29T22:19:47 < Rob235> that sucks
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2017-05-29T22:21:26 < Rob235> oh, 9˚C is warmer than I thought... still cold but its still 48˚F
2017-05-29T22:21:40 < Steffanx> Learn to C, Rob235.
2017-05-29T22:21:45 < Rob235> :)
2017-05-29T22:21:56 < Rob235> !wz 07740
2017-05-29T22:22:06 < Rob235> whered you go
2017-05-29T22:22:07 < Steffanx> !wz zwolle
2017-05-29T22:22:10 < dieforirc> [Zwolle, Netherlands] Overcast. Temp is 14.3°C. ESE wind: 1.4 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2017-05-29T22:22:16 < dieforirc> [Zwolle, Netherlands] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 26.3°C. WNW wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2017-05-29T22:22:21 < Rob235> !wz long branch
2017-05-29T22:22:22 < dieforirc> [Long Branch, New Jersey] Overcast. Temp is 14.3°C. ESE wind: 1.4 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2017-05-29T22:22:34 < Rob235> umm
2017-05-29T22:22:40 < Rob235> bug?
2017-05-29T22:22:44 < Steffanx> !wz zwolle
2017-05-29T22:22:45 < dieforirc> [Zwolle, Netherlands] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 26.3°C. WNW wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2017-05-29T22:22:55 < Steffanx> !wz 07740
2017-05-29T22:22:55 < dieforirc> [07740 - Long Branch, NJ] Overcast. Temp is 14.3°C. ESE wind: 1.4 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2017-05-29T22:23:01 < Steffanx> lol, looks like it.
2017-05-29T22:23:33 < Steffanx> englishman, how must us - autistics - deal with that?
2017-05-29T22:25:43 < Prutheus> Hello! I am on stm32f103c8t6 with STDP-Lib, using stm32's usb library for virtual com port and wanna to talk with the µC via termios-Pc-program. termios program can read the data the chip is sending via usb, but when i wanna answer, the chip is not reacting on my data i send. waht am i doing wrong at sending? termios-program: https://bpaste.net/show/ab9ec8c72973  µCProgram:
2017-05-29T22:25:48 < Prutheus> https://bpaste.net/show/9f043497d08e   i want to send the identifcation string and then enter the operations.... a friend of me got a working program with serialport-lib usage, but i wanna use termios
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2017-05-29T22:32:04 < Prutheus> anyone an idea what the controller is not reacting on my send data?
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2017-05-29T22:35:06 < Laurenceb_> 1
2017-05-29T22:35:06 < Laurenceb_> 0
2017-05-29T22:35:06 < Laurenceb_> Magnetic Bridge Connecting Galaxies Observed; Electric Universe is Real. Could the Emdrive be tapping into this mystery?
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2017-05-29T22:35:33 < Laurenceb_> Will emdrive take people to other planets?
2017-05-29T22:35:59 < Laurenceb_> EmDrive is a 3d crosssection of a 4d object
2017-05-29T22:37:34 < kakimir> should I try to even coude tonight anymore
2017-05-29T22:38:46 < kakimir> friend did a backflip with jet engine just a moment ago on field
2017-05-29T22:39:56 < Rob235> Itchies
2017-05-29T22:40:13 < kakimir> as soon his feet left the ground the engine nozzle placed just behind his ass had long enough momentum arm to flip him over
2017-05-29T22:41:10 < Rob235> video or it didnt happen
2017-05-29T22:44:11 < kakimir> and chute harnesses were mounted too low - too near CG
2017-05-29T22:45:00 < kakimir> I didn't take video I was too busy running with fire extinguishers
2017-05-29T22:45:36 < kakimir> there is video thought somebody uploading somewhere sometime
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2017-05-29T22:47:22 < Prutheus> Can someone help me please?
2017-05-29T22:48:12 < kakimir> are you in distress?
2017-05-29T22:50:33 < Laurenceb_> I read that as promethius
2017-05-29T22:50:36 < Laurenceb_> triggered
2017-05-29T22:51:34 < kakimir> sounds like my problem with uart working only one direction and another direction resulting into fault
2017-05-29T22:51:43 < kakimir> but not same thing
2017-05-29T22:51:50 < upgrdman> i've been using my tablet wrong for YEARS  https://i.redd.it/z6h2nfxm6g0z.jpg
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2017-05-29T22:57:45 < englishman> rip STM32 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/licheepi-zero-6-extensible-linux-module-on-finger-wifi-diy#/
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2017-05-29T22:58:31 < englishman> Steffanx: ?
2017-05-29T22:59:01 < Steffanx> what is this ? to?
2017-05-29T22:59:32 < englishman> Steffanx> englishman, how must us - autistics - deal with that?
2017-05-29T22:59:43 < Steffanx> oh, the reply was wrong
2017-05-29T22:59:59 < Steffanx> it showed "Zwolle" twice. One was actually the result for what mr Rob235 asked
2017-05-29T23:00:01 < englishman> zwolle is in netherlands no?
2017-05-29T23:00:03 < englishman> oh
2017-05-29T23:00:11 < englishman> lunix, what do you want
2017-05-29T23:00:27 < englishman> try not to ask it more than 1 thing at a time
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2017-05-29T23:01:08 < englishman> static unsigned char* readALotOfData
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2017-05-29T23:03:34 < englishman> CDC_Receive_DATA();
2017-05-29T23:03:34 < englishman>       if(Receive_length >= 14) {
2017-05-29T23:03:43 < englishman> but where is Receive_length being set
2017-05-29T23:04:01 < englishman> it doesnt appear to even have a type
2017-05-29T23:04:27 < englishman> nor does mode
2017-05-29T23:04:28 < englishman> does this compile
2017-05-29T23:12:31 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8f13708210/19995.png
2017-05-29T23:15:13 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/FX7YwMm.jpg
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2017-05-29T23:19:15 < specing> Wait what, there are ops here?
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2017-05-29T23:24:23 < Steffanx> lol no specing.
2017-05-29T23:25:13 < crt> Cool
2017-05-29T23:25:48 < kakimir> specing: this channel is moderated by ghost operators
2017-05-29T23:26:56 < crt> I got my first kick in stonertronics (previous ~12 months ago) for the N word
2017-05-29T23:27:12 < Steffanx> yes dont use that
2017-05-29T23:27:35 < kakimir> crt: cool
2017-05-29T23:27:52 < crt> Thanks kakimir
2017-05-29T23:28:16 < kakimir> was it in racistic context?
2017-05-29T23:28:36 < crt> Nah just pumped it in
2017-05-29T23:29:30 < specing> well I thought it wasn't moderated given that dongs is still at large ;D
2017-05-29T23:29:30 < crt> Then when the moderator warned me I asked them to tell me what I posted
2017-05-29T23:29:49 < crt> Nah senpai is stm32 relevant.
2017-05-29T23:30:11 < Steffanx> Dongs isnt even the worst of them all.
2017-05-29T23:30:29 < crt> Who is worst
2017-05-29T23:30:35 < Steffanx> crt.
2017-05-29T23:30:38 < crt> Lol
2017-05-29T23:30:42 < crt> Ty
2017-05-29T23:31:03 < crt> 🦆
2017-05-29T23:31:36 < specing> they warned me before going into ##stm32 that I was going into an extremely toxic environment
2017-05-29T23:32:14 < Steffanx> i feel sorry for you.
2017-05-29T23:32:22 < Steffanx> for some reason i got the feeling you blend in well.
2017-05-29T23:32:51 < Steffanx> you were here before..
2017-05-29T23:32:54 < crt> Who are they
2017-05-29T23:33:12 < crt> I didn't know leeloomAn did /nick they
2017-05-29T23:33:19 < kakimir> specing: *laughters*
2017-05-29T23:33:43 < Steffanx> kakimir its not that they aren't right.
2017-05-29T23:33:55 < specing> Steffanx: I know, I rather enjoy it
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2017-05-29T23:34:07 < Steffanx> Fuel on tha fire \o/
2017-05-29T23:34:08 < crt> Better than jail was
2017-05-29T23:34:18 < kakimir> what you were in jail for crt?
2017-05-29T23:34:26 < Steffanx> pumping.
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2017-05-29T23:34:33 < crt> ^
2017-05-29T23:34:37 < specing> what
2017-05-29T23:34:59 < Rob235> what is LoRa?
2017-05-29T23:35:13 < Steffanx> 'Long Range Low Power' rf stuff
2017-05-29T23:35:20 < Steffanx> IoT.,
2017-05-29T23:35:42 < Rob235> I see
2017-05-29T23:35:46 < specing> "long range low power" sounds like "long short"
2017-05-29T23:36:38 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ hates it.
2017-05-29T23:36:42 < Prutheus> englishman: yeah, uC code works fine, i have already a serialport-lib program which can work with that
2017-05-29T23:36:52 < Prutheus> only comport via termios doesn't work
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2017-05-29T23:44:42 < Prutheus> englishman: yeah, uC code works fine, i have already a serialport-lib program which can work with that
2017-05-29T23:44:47 < Prutheus> only comport via termios doesn't work
2017-05-29T23:44:50 < Prutheus> englishman: any idea what could went wrong at my client program?
2017-05-29T23:45:05 < Rob235> damn, one cell on my 4s lipo has a resistance of 11mOhm, is that garbage?
2017-05-29T23:45:25 < BrainDamage> depends, what's the curren you plan to use it at?
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2017-05-29T23:46:18 < Rob235> two of the batteries in parallel pulling up to around 100-120A?
2017-05-29T23:46:52 < Rob235> it only charges that cell to 3.75V
2017-05-29T23:47:31 < BrainDamage> the cell will blow up
2017-05-29T23:47:48 < BrainDamage> (50A)^2*11mOhm = 40W
2017-05-29T23:48:00 < Rob235> gay
2017-05-29T23:48:22 < ohsix> dongs: https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/869272297151975424
2017-05-29T23:50:33 < Rob235> what caused it? grr
2017-05-29T23:50:47 < BrainDamage> typically cracked electrodes
2017-05-29T23:51:04 < Rob235> caused by what?
2017-05-29T23:51:05 < BrainDamage> either from mechanical stress or thermal
2017-05-29T23:51:38 < Rob235> I don't recall doing anything that would stress this pack
2017-05-29T23:52:48 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA7H6-HUQAAHvZN.jpg hehe
2017-05-29T23:54:15 < Steffanx> Isnt it closer to 27.5W BrainDamage (still much, but not that much)
2017-05-29T23:54:55 < BrainDamage> oh yeah, 40 is with 60A
2017-05-29T23:55:05 < Rob235> what does the wattage tell you
2017-05-29T23:55:14 < BrainDamage> if it will blow up
2017-05-29T23:55:19 < Rob235> yea i mean how
2017-05-29T23:55:24 < Rob235> what numbers do you go by
2017-05-29T23:55:35 < BrainDamage> a cell can only dissipate few W at most
2017-05-29T23:56:12 < BrainDamage> if you really want the accurate calc: T=Tamp*Ramb_body*power
2017-05-29T23:56:45 < BrainDamage> where R_amb_body is the thermal resistance between the object and the air, function of the material type and the shape
2017-05-29T23:56:55 < Rob235> my other pack has the first cell at 7mOhm, why are these first cells always high
2017-05-29T23:57:09 < BrainDamage> heatsinks have it low, blocks of plastic have it high
2017-05-29T23:59:02 < Prutheus> anyone still no idea?
2017-05-29T23:59:15 < BrainDamage> ballparking a 5°C/W thermal resistance for the cell, you get a 20°C+40W*5°C/W = 220°C, boom
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2017-05-30T00:01:17 < Rob235> I dont wanna waste another $100 on batteries
2017-05-30T00:01:27 < Rob235> oh well, guess I have to
2017-05-30T00:04:38 < Rob235> where did you get 40W? why not 27.5W?
2017-05-30T00:04:48 < Rob235> oh i see
2017-05-30T00:04:50 < Rob235> didn't see your response
2017-05-30T00:12:54 < Steffanx> Peter_M: i hear you drink VB beer. Why?
2017-05-30T00:14:15 < crt> because peter brock did
2017-05-30T00:14:30 < crt> he was a champion of australia; he beat his wife on a daily basis
2017-05-30T00:16:01 < crt> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/brock-beat-me-claims-exwife/2006/11/17/1163266766804.html
2017-05-30T00:16:18 < crt> i guess the sydney morning herald is ED tier shit
2017-05-30T00:21:35 < kakimir> recommend a movie
2017-05-30T00:24:46 < sync> well, he is dead now so it kinda is a moot point crt
2017-05-30T00:30:02 < jadew> nice find Fleck
2017-05-30T00:30:34 < Fleck> :)
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2017-05-30T00:42:51 < Steffanx> Get Out, kakimir
2017-05-30T00:43:04 < Steffanx> John Wick part 2
2017-05-30T00:43:26 < Steffanx> Chapter 2
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2017-05-30T00:48:45 < crt> peter brock - gone but not forgotten
2017-05-30T00:49:21 < crt> our legacy
2017-05-30T00:49:32 < crt> a piece of trash who beats women
2017-05-30T00:52:08 < kakimir> :D
2017-05-30T00:52:46 < kakimir> beating her is what landed you in a prison crt ?
2017-05-30T00:54:03 < crt> nuh never been to prison
2017-05-30T00:54:17 < crt> or committed a crime of that variety
2017-05-30T00:54:47 < kakimir> good we have that cleared now
2017-05-30T00:54:53 < crt> My mother didn't raise me to be such a piece of filth
2017-05-30T00:55:19 < crt> when i was a kid i stole a box of tic tacs
2017-05-30T00:55:48 < crt> and a 375ml can of soft drink
2017-05-30T00:56:09 < crt> i paid the karma back by donating to 3 different charities, at least $1500 iirc
2017-05-30T00:56:41 < crt> i also gave a homeless person $50 last year
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2017-05-30T00:58:39 < crt> hopefully the money went straight into the heroin trade
2017-05-30T00:58:45 < kakimir> isn't that little big overkill to pay back 1500 dolards?
2017-05-30T00:59:07 < kakimir> I stole some bubblegum
2017-05-30T01:01:20 < kakimir> I was 3 or 4
2017-05-30T01:02:04 < specing> I downloaded a car
2017-05-30T01:02:09 < kakimir> didn't pay back
2017-05-30T01:02:11 < specing> st8 mafia m8
2017-05-30T01:04:05 < kakimir> crt: what else you compensated with your 1500dolards?
2017-05-30T01:04:46 < kakimir> what age you were when you stole stuff? 5 or 15?
2017-05-30T01:15:56 < kakimir> I have stopped paying my karma back
2017-05-30T01:18:49 < kakimir> it feel wrong somehow
2017-05-30T01:20:26 < kakimir> to make wrong somehow not wrong
2017-05-30T01:23:32 < kakimir> I feel.. pretentious
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2017-05-30T01:30:54 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpGZV9fry8
2017-05-30T01:32:19 < englishman> 2.5h to mow the lawns
2017-05-30T01:32:22 < englishman> and 9L gas
2017-05-30T01:35:13 < specing> 9L? what kinda lawn mower is that?
2017-05-30T01:35:55 < kakimir> https://www.deere.com/common/media/images/industry/commercial/commercial_mowing/r4a047807_652_quiktrak_304x218.jpg
2017-05-30T01:35:59 < ohsix> a big one
2017-05-30T01:36:28 < englishman> yeah like that
2017-05-30T01:36:37 < englishman> 26hp deere zero turn
2017-05-30T01:36:56 < englishman> but, with a seat
2017-05-30T01:37:08 < specing> overkillllllllll
2017-05-30T01:37:19 < kakimir> in what state your sauna project is englishman ?
2017-05-30T01:37:34 < englishman> what do you suggest?
2017-05-30T01:37:37 < englishman> kaks, nada
2017-05-30T01:37:43 < englishman> spa first
2017-05-30T01:38:43 < kakimir> spa?
2017-05-30T01:38:51 < kakimir> show me what you plan todo?
2017-05-30T01:39:01 < ohsix> if it takes 2.5h even with a riding mower it's probably underkill
2017-05-30T01:39:05 < englishman> getting the hot tub fixed
2017-05-30T01:39:29 < kakimir> winter is comming
2017-05-30T01:40:14 < kakimir> summer is certain sign of winter comming
2017-05-30T01:42:45 < ohsix> nah they'll stretch it out for 7 years
2017-05-30T01:45:27 < specing> ohsix: maybe its a very large lawn
2017-05-30T01:45:51 < englishman> *lawns
2017-05-30T01:46:43  * specing dumps tea into sea
2017-05-30T01:48:51 < englishman> if england burned the royal family as fuel and sold all their land and jewels, they could afford to be a 1st world country
2017-05-30T01:49:52 < specing> don't worry, marg thatcher v2.0 will defund all social services and make it into a heaven for rich people
2017-05-30T01:50:31 < englishman> http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-dark-side-of-poutine-canada-taking-credit-for-quebec-dish-amounts-to-cultural-appropriation-academic-says
2017-05-30T01:51:31 < crt> The loaded dog
2017-05-30T01:51:58 < ohsix> http://chilipeppr.com/
2017-05-30T01:54:15 < kakimir> what city you live in crt ?
2017-05-30T01:54:40 < crt> Australia
2017-05-30T01:55:21 < englishman> !wz australia
2017-05-30T01:55:27 < dieforirc> [Australia and New Zealand, Australia] Clear. Temp is 12°C. ESE wind: 11 kph.
2017-05-30T01:55:29 < kakimir> is it nice place to live?
2017-05-30T01:55:42 < kakimir> oh cold
2017-05-30T01:55:54 < englishman> it is winter there kaks
2017-05-30T01:56:13 < englishman> did you know australian santa comes on a surfboard
2017-05-30T01:57:15 < kakimir> no
2017-05-30T02:02:11 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/themoreyouknow.jpg
2017-05-30T02:03:41 < BrainDamage> is that yours?
2017-05-30T02:05:01 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/brushiebrushie.jpg
2017-05-30T02:05:23 < karlp> anyone used nextcloud/owncloud/seafile/emby/mediagoblin type things and have any recommendations?
2017-05-30T02:05:28 < englishman> yes
2017-05-30T02:05:35 < englishman> owncloud/seafile
2017-05-30T02:05:48 < englishman> eventually they all caused extreme rage
2017-05-30T02:05:52 < englishman> using syncthing now
2017-05-30T02:06:10 < englishman> and synology for phone photo upload, but that also causes rage
2017-05-30T02:06:25 < englishman> will probably change to syncthing
2017-05-30T02:08:50 < karlp> you'r edoing phone photo upload to some home server?
2017-05-30T02:08:57 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-30T02:09:17 < englishman> google photos was really really nice
2017-05-30T02:09:22 < englishman> until they removed anonymous photo sharing
2017-05-30T02:09:26 < englishman> then it became useless
2017-05-30T02:09:57 < englishman> i made a new account with the user name Anonymous Account
2017-05-30T02:10:17 < englishman> but due to poor ui it's easy to fuck up which account you are using
2017-05-30T02:10:19 < englishman> and it was overall fail
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2017-05-30T02:10:24 < englishman> thanks google
2017-05-30T02:10:38 < BrainDamage> i use syncthing myself
2017-05-30T02:10:58 < englishman> ^ good stuff
2017-05-30T02:14:59 < karlp> hrm. I'm not _entirely_ looking for something to sync between places.  I've got rsync on nfs scripted for what I want there, was more looking for the web uis and apps for not having to reroll all my own photo albums again
2017-05-30T02:15:46 < karlp> syncthing sounds more like just private dropbox
2017-05-30T02:15:51 < BrainDamage> it is
2017-05-30T02:16:27 < englishman> well owncloud/seafile are more like private dropbox
2017-05-30T02:16:39 < englishman> syncthing is pretty barebones
2017-05-30T02:17:15 < ohsix> i used docker and tried all of the owncloud
2017-05-30T02:17:51 < ohsix> karlp: that is to say, try all of them with docker images and see which sucks least
2017-05-30T02:18:09 < BrainDamage> i've started using a tagging filesystem for my media, i have mixed feelings
2017-05-30T02:18:24 < BrainDamage> for some things it's amazing, for others feels a bit clunky
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2017-05-30T02:18:47 < karlp> tried snap install, curently seems to hav ehung :)
2017-05-30T02:20:07 < ohsix> most docker images have ok storage shit so you can have it be the thing you use instead of installing it
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2017-05-30T02:21:43 < karlp> I don't trust docker as far as I can throw it.
2017-05-30T02:22:19 < karlp> I'm sure some dockerfiles are good and right, but I've seen enough to not want to just "run this dockerfile"
2017-05-30T02:32:53 < crt> docking
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2017-05-30T02:37:26 < sklv> containerisation is no replacement for virtualisation right now
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2017-05-30T02:58:51 < specing> sklv: reality disagrees
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2017-05-30T04:03:29 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/9utc36gnkh0z.jpg
2017-05-30T04:05:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.redd.it/ny66q5vhrf0z.jpg
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2017-05-30T05:21:09 < upgrdman> whats everyone favorite movie player for windows? smplayer is the least rage-inducing for me, but its kinda annoying sometimes
2017-05-30T05:21:16 < dongs> mplayerc dude
2017-05-30T05:21:19 < dongs> mpc-hc or whaetver
2017-05-30T05:21:28  * upgrdman googles
2017-05-30T05:21:38 < Rob235> whats wrong with vlc
2017-05-30T05:21:47 < dongs> single .exe, just works, no faggot shit like 200000 files in vlc folder
2017-05-30T05:21:58 < Rob235> meh
2017-05-30T05:22:03 < dongs> doesn't need any gay codecs/whatever installed
2017-05-30T05:22:09 < Kerr-A> vlc, potplayer other options.
2017-05-30T05:22:12 < upgrdman> oh i tried mpc-hc a couple years ago and deleted it because it didnt do display scaling for the gui. lets see if they fixed that
2017-05-30T05:22:24 < dongs> gui what
2017-05-30T05:22:33 < upgrdman> the play/pause/etc buttons
2017-05-30T05:22:34 < upgrdman> etc
2017-05-30T05:22:38 < upgrdman> were like way too small
2017-05-30T05:22:48 < upgrdman> and icons in the file/edit/etc menus were half size
2017-05-30T05:22:49 < upgrdman> etc
2017-05-30T05:23:57 < dongs> uhh
2017-05-30T05:24:02 < dongs> i think you downloaded some gaqrbage
2017-05-30T05:24:05 < upgrdman> 1.7.10 (d911f14) - 14 November 2015
2017-05-30T05:24:06 < dongs> because there was never icons in menus
2017-05-30T05:24:11 < upgrdman> Updated:
2017-05-30T05:24:11 < upgrdman> Ticket #3356, Initial support for per-monitor DPI scaling
2017-05-30T05:24:20 < upgrdman> so they maybe fixed it in late 2015
2017-05-30T05:24:29 < dongs> 1.7.11 is out in march, im running no idea some nightly shit
2017-05-30T05:24:40 < dongs> i update it like once a year or something since shit just works usually
2017-05-30T05:24:43 < upgrdman> ya i know, was scanning old logs to see if they fixed it
2017-05-30T05:25:46 < upgrdman> hmm ya looks like they fixed it!
2017-05-30T05:25:58 < upgrdman> nice
2017-05-30T05:26:27 < dongs> vlc is a fucking abortion
2017-05-30T05:26:31 < dongs> they dont even have frame seek
2017-05-30T05:26:32 < dongs> in 2017
2017-05-30T05:26:33 < dongs> what the fuck???
2017-05-30T05:34:06 < upgrdman> the VLC gui is also weird looking
2017-05-30T05:34:25 < upgrdman> notepad++ has a fucked gui too
2017-05-30T05:34:44 < upgrdman> and both are french programs... wtf
2017-05-30T05:35:08 < upgrdman> i thought france was big on standardizations, like, uh, metric etc.
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2017-05-30T06:12:03 < crt> 777
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2017-05-30T06:19:58 < crt> https://youtu.be/hmlblM55ny8?t=39m50s
2017-05-30T06:20:05 < crt> typical australian loungeroom scene
2017-05-30T06:20:38 < crt> i'll tell you what happened in the fucken chase mate!
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2017-05-30T06:21:45 < upgrdman> speaking of chase... anyone have a couch with a chase? are they nice or a gimmick?
2017-05-30T06:22:05 < upgrdman> "chaise" i guess
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2017-05-30T06:24:42 < crt> depends if its an ice fuelled chaise
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2017-05-30T06:25:14 < upgrdman> how about an arse fuelled chaise
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2017-05-30T06:26:08 < crt> lol
2017-05-30T06:26:52 < dongs> cool. some retard on efnet is packeting me
2017-05-30T06:27:06 < dongs> i thought all the kids from 1996 already got old enough by now
2017-05-30T06:27:15 < upgrdman> how do you get "packeted" on irc? pm flood?
2017-05-30T06:27:34 < dongs> no, packeting whatever IP im ircing from
2017-05-30T06:27:52 < upgrdman> efnet doesnt do host masks?
2017-05-30T06:27:58 < dongs> nig oplz
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2017-05-30T06:40:40 < englishman> wtf do americans think a "chaise" is
2017-05-30T06:40:50 < englishman> and why are you illegally appropriating french words
2017-05-30T06:46:39 < upgrdman> lol
2017-05-30T06:46:45 < upgrdman> lemme get a pic for englishbro
2017-05-30T06:47:09 < upgrdman> englishman, like this https://images.bassettfurniture.com/_images/catalog/ProductZoom/8000-RCSECTT.JPG
2017-05-30T06:48:39 < upgrdman> http://www.silochristmastreefarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Sofa-With-Chaise.jpg               etc
2017-05-30T06:49:05 < englishman> like a lil lounge chair for fatting on while watching tv
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2017-05-30T06:59:46 < upgrdman> englishman, ya or cuddling with your girl, etc.
2017-05-30T07:00:05 < englishman> what do you need that for, then
2017-05-30T07:00:09 < upgrdman> haha
2017-05-30T07:01:05 < dongs> rekt
2017-05-30T07:06:59 < upgrdman> englishman, so what do the canadiacs call that type of couch
2017-05-30T07:07:54 < englishman> dono
2017-05-30T07:08:30 < englishman> chaise longue
2017-05-30T07:08:37 < upgrdman> ya exactly
2017-05-30T07:08:38 < englishman> https://www.tanguay.ca/fr/prod2/01/meubles/ROOM/salon-et-sejour/SCAT/sectionnel-et-modulaire/MODT/sectionnel-tissu/911096/
2017-05-30T07:08:38 < upgrdman> ok
2017-05-30T07:08:48 < englishman> cuz chaise just means chair
2017-05-30T07:09:02 < upgrdman> oh
2017-05-30T07:12:53 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsCqmotxyME&t=1m10s
2017-05-30T07:13:23 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-30T07:13:26 < englishman> tabarnak
2017-05-30T07:15:41 < upgrdman> meanwhile in tokyo  http://www.mynbc5.com/article/woman-passes-gas-during-surgery-suffers-burns-causes-fire-in-operating-room/8072037
2017-05-30T07:16:00 < upgrdman> "The fire happened in April at Tokyo Medical University. Reports say the patient, who was in her 30s, was undergoing an operation which involved applying a laser to her cervix."
2017-05-30T07:16:31 < dongs> i donno man, doesnt sound legit
2017-05-30T07:16:33 < upgrdman> wtf would you laser a cervix for?
2017-05-30T07:16:34 < dongs> Updated: 12:13 PM EST Jan 4, 2017
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2017-05-30T08:05:12 < Prutheus> Hello! I am on stm32f103c8t6 with STDP-Lib, using stm32's usb library for virtual com port and wanna to talk with the µC via termios-Pc-program. termios program can read the data the chip is sending via usb, but when i wanna answer, the chip is not reacting on my data i send. waht am i doing wrong at sending? termios-program: https://bpaste.net/show/ab9ec8c72973  µCProgram:
2017-05-30T08:05:17 < Prutheus> https://bpaste.net/show/9f043497d08e   i want to send the identifcation string and then enter the operations.... a friend of me got a working program with serialport-lib usage, but i wanna use termios
2017-05-30T08:05:21 < Prutheus> anyone an idea what the controller is not reacting on my send data?
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2017-05-30T08:15:13 < Prutheus> please someone help me there
2017-05-30T08:18:30 < englishman> still waiting for a response to my question
2017-05-30T08:20:45 < Prutheus> englishman: i had dc yesterday, what was your question?
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2017-05-30T08:49:02 < ohsix> ew a girl did a thing https://azeria-labs.com/writing-arm-assembly-part-1/
2017-05-30T08:49:08 < ohsix> G-ROSS
2017-05-30T08:52:00 < ohsix> karlp: ignore all the other shit, the try before you buy aspect is tops
2017-05-30T08:54:45 < ohsix> vmware tried to do it with the appliance views and vmware player but that was just a bridge too far
2017-05-30T08:55:01 < crt> John is suffering from Ekbom's Syndrome, a psychological condition associated with chronic ice and cocaine use. He's having tactile hallucinations, and he'll obsessively pick at his body for days and weeks to pull out the imaginary ice bugs.
2017-05-30T08:55:11 < ohsix> and hypothetically, if a given docker image did suck, you can fix it without redoing the whole thing
2017-05-30T08:56:01 < dongs> drugs are bad, k?
2017-05-30T08:57:04 < ohsix> didn't care enough about docker to even check it out a year ago, then a pal did a presentation on it
2017-05-30T08:57:15 < crt> damn straight
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2017-05-30T09:16:42 < upgrdman> hdds... which WD color is good? red "nas"? gold "datacenter"?
2017-05-30T09:17:06 < dongs> none of them, fuck wd
2017-05-30T09:17:14 < upgrdman> whos your fab
2017-05-30T09:17:16 < upgrdman> fav
2017-05-30T09:17:27 < dongs> toshiba cuz jappu
2017-05-30T09:17:28 < upgrdman> dont tell me seagate?
2017-05-30T09:17:31 < upgrdman> k
2017-05-30T09:17:45 < dongs> lol no. shitgate RIP.
2017-05-30T09:18:22 < dongs> anyway i have about 75tb in raid6 on toshiba now for sevearl eyras, no problem
2017-05-30T09:18:54 < dongs> before that was hsgt or wahtever, but thats ded now.
2017-05-30T09:19:15 < upgrdman> hsgt?
2017-05-30T09:19:40 < upgrdman> oh its a brand
2017-05-30T09:19:44 < englishman> whats wrong with hgst
2017-05-30T09:19:49 < upgrdman> deskstar... isnt that the old shitachi deathstar?
2017-05-30T09:20:55 < ohsix> get one of each and see what happens
2017-05-30T09:21:05 < upgrdman> hmm https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822149695
2017-05-30T09:21:07 < upgrdman> not bad price
2017-05-30T09:21:29 < ohsix> they have different BER in the datasheets, otherwise you have to trust marketing stuff that they are really different
2017-05-30T09:22:45 < dongs> my shit is just MD04ACA400 / 500
2017-05-30T09:22:58 < dongs> got them on sale for liek $99
2017-05-30T09:23:12 < dongs> i think there's newer shit but wahtever
2017-05-30T09:23:13 < ohsix> it is kind of a shit thing to buy & think too long about, they aren't much better than any other, not in ways that matter to your data
2017-05-30T09:23:48 < dongs> oh no, the 5TBs i took out from toshiba external boxes
2017-05-30T09:23:52 < dongs> which were cheaper than buying bare drive
2017-05-30T09:23:58 < dongs> which was i think 8 or so drives
2017-05-30T09:24:07 < dongs> and 4TBs i bought the drives themselves for cheap
2017-05-30T09:24:20 < dongs> 20 of those
2017-05-30T09:24:22 < dongs> 20*4
2017-05-30T09:24:45 < zyp> if you actually care about hard drive reliability, look at backblaze statistics
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2017-05-30T09:25:16 < zyp> they actually have a statistically significant number of drives
2017-05-30T09:25:20 < ohsix> still won't advise much, but they are interesting
2017-05-30T09:25:28 < dongs> rite
2017-05-30T09:25:33 < dongs> but running lunix
2017-05-30T09:25:35 < dongs> in software raid
2017-05-30T09:25:41 < dongs> so that pretty much invalidates any other statistics
2017-05-30T09:26:25 < zyp> how the fuck does it matter what they run?
2017-05-30T09:26:33 < ohsix> just have lots, and some spares so you aren't hamstrung when weird shit happens
2017-05-30T09:27:03 < dongs> lol @ 35% shitgate failure rate
2017-05-30T09:27:25 < zyp> haha
2017-05-30T09:27:30 < zyp> that's the model I have 16 of
2017-05-30T09:27:39 < dongs> gg
2017-05-30T09:27:46 < ohsix> the 1tn one after the hd head floods?
2017-05-30T09:27:52 < ohsix> n=b
2017-05-30T09:28:16 < zyp> so far I've had 10 dead and replaced, and now an 11th one is dying
2017-05-30T09:28:27 < ohsix> prices still haven't recovered ololol
2017-05-30T09:28:28 < dongs> #10 or 10 out of 16
2017-05-30T09:29:17 < zyp> the weird part is that it started showing symptoms two weeks ago, but it survived a scrub and is still working, just way slower than it should be
2017-05-30T09:29:43 < zyp> previous drives that I've caught before they died took only a few days to die completely
2017-05-30T09:30:00 < zyp> and 10 out of 16
2017-05-30T09:30:08 < dongs> my shitgate which was the only drive I ever used without raid just shitted itself instantly, no warning
2017-05-30T09:30:11 < ohsix> what errors? recoverable read / voice coil junk?
2017-05-30T09:30:25 < zyp> two of them were DoA, so I've only had 8 dying during use
2017-05-30T09:30:32 < zyp> "only"
2017-05-30T09:30:33 < ohsix> class
2017-05-30T09:30:51 < dongs> sounds like you shoulda have been repacling them with some less retarded brand the moment more than 2 failed
2017-05-30T09:30:56 < ohsix> the ones i had, had the fdb seize up so my 'plan' for recovery was total fail
2017-05-30T09:31:03 < dongs> or was it RMA/refurb from shitgate under warranty
2017-05-30T09:31:20 < ohsix> i got the stuff off the mirror, then in <24 power on hours the fdb seized in that one
2017-05-30T09:31:35 < zyp> RMA, yes
2017-05-30T09:31:41 < ohsix> this is my seagate horror story
2017-05-30T09:32:06 < ohsix> don't buy fancy editions
2017-05-30T09:32:12 < zyp> norwegian consumer protection laws entitle me to a 5-year warranty-ish period
2017-05-30T09:32:41 < zyp> and as long as I'm getting them replaced for free, I'm not too worried
2017-05-30T09:32:45 < dongs> unlike japan
2017-05-30T09:32:55 < dongs> pretty much every computer shop is selling 'OEM' drives
2017-05-30T09:32:59 < dongs> with a shop-warranty of 30 days
2017-05-30T09:33:02 < zyp> haha
2017-05-30T09:33:03 < dongs> rip
2017-05-30T09:33:16 < ohsix> h3h
2017-05-30T09:33:38 < ohsix> was listening to a pudcast that mentioned the incandescent lighting cartel back in the day
2017-05-30T09:33:59 < ohsix> hard drives don't seem like a thing that are overbuilt anymore
2017-05-30T09:34:19 < zyp> smart status is showing this drive to have 1672 reallocated sectors now
2017-05-30T09:34:34 < ohsix> can't buy them even if you wanted to, ones with lower ber just use more spare area on the platter(s)
2017-05-30T09:34:45 < upgrdman> running CHKDSK on my 4tb shitgate hdd. already several times it has "hung" at some sectors :/
2017-05-30T09:34:56 < upgrdman> good thing i have 3 offline backups
2017-05-30T09:34:58 < ohsix> bummer
2017-05-30T09:34:59 < zyp> power cycle count is 85, power on hours is 26286, so it should be one of the first ones I bought
2017-05-30T09:35:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: usb?
2017-05-30T09:35:10 < upgrdman> on, internal sata drive
2017-05-30T09:35:13 < ohsix> ah
2017-05-30T09:35:14 < upgrdman> no*
2017-05-30T09:35:17 < ohsix> better
2017-05-30T09:35:19 < dongs> https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/sports/golf/tiger-woods-arrested-dui.html
2017-05-30T09:35:22 < dongs> attn upgrdman
2017-05-30T09:35:36 < upgrdman> dongs, nice mugshot
2017-05-30T09:35:42 < zyp> dongs, that shit was actually reported on norwegian radio yesterday
2017-05-30T09:35:46 < upgrdman> it looks like a cop just fingerbanged his asshole
2017-05-30T09:35:51 < ohsix> the usb bridges in those are real bad and you don't even need the drive to be failing for it to be inaccessible via usb
2017-05-30T09:36:28 < ohsix> otoh you can shuck it and it will be ~fine to get data off & replace
2017-05-30T09:38:18 < upgrdman> fuck, getting into my ITX case to swap this hdd is gonna be a pain in the ass
2017-05-30T09:38:55 < upgrdman> trying to decide how future-proof i want to be. i have just over 3TB of data. tempted to but 8TB or 10TB drive so i can not care about deleting old files
2017-05-30T09:39:53 < dongs> > 1tb of data = raid
2017-05-30T09:40:21 < englishman> >100mb of data = raid
2017-05-30T09:40:41 < englishman> that's one hundred million bytes
2017-05-30T09:40:43 < zyp> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CNEuJ781fy_jd-oQVvQF97LJsEJY1eG23zSImO-O_Vg/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true
2017-05-30T09:40:47 < ohsix> > raid is not backup
2017-05-30T09:41:02 < englishman> more code than i'll write in my entire life
2017-05-30T09:41:52 < zyp> hmm, been about a year since the last drive died
2017-05-30T09:43:05 < ohsix> how much of that 3tb do you need to access per month upgrdman ?
2017-05-30T09:43:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, not much
2017-05-30T09:44:11 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg__B6Ca3jc new applied science vidya
2017-05-30T09:44:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: ehhh if i was doing junk again i'd try to keep the power off
2017-05-30T09:44:51 < ohsix> and cache subset on some web shit or another frontend
2017-05-30T09:46:28 < upgrdman> why do new hdd's use helium>?
2017-05-30T09:46:37 < dongs> less resistance
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2017-05-30T10:01:48 < dongs> less resistance, more autism
2017-05-30T10:03:51 < sklv> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-superman-of-hard-drives-new-5-dimensional-computer-memory-crystal-will-survive-the-human-race-8700319.html
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2017-05-30T10:27:00 < upgrdman> why is hsgt not called wd? theyre "by wd" ... is it a recent acquisition?
2017-05-30T10:27:04 < upgrdman> isnt*
2017-05-30T10:29:45 < upgrdman> hmmm my PID video is one of my only non-arduino videos making decent ad money. kinda tempted to make another robot now.
2017-05-30T10:38:42 < dongs> self-balancing dildo with ESP14/88
2017-05-30T10:38:56 < dongs> ynm
2017-05-30T10:40:36 < englishman> for $50 on freestarter? your standards have fallen
2017-05-30T10:40:47 < dongs> whose?
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2017-05-30T10:45:33 < Steffanx> Because WD is consumer brand and hgst more professional upgrdman? Hgst has a pretty good reputation, i wouldnt ruine that by renaming it
2017-05-30T10:45:47 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ah ok
2017-05-30T10:46:51 < Steffanx> Not about the consumer thing though
2017-05-30T10:47:17 < Tectu> people
2017-05-30T10:47:21 < Tectu> how are you today?
2017-05-30T10:47:26 < upgrdman> im doing well
2017-05-30T10:47:28 < upgrdman> you?
2017-05-30T10:47:37 < Tectu> me too, thanks
2017-05-30T10:47:42 < dongs> uguufx has text rendering viewport now
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2017-05-30T10:47:47 < Steffanx> Oh its actually different according to wikipedia
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2017-05-30T10:47:58 < dongs> does uGFX?
2017-05-30T10:49:07 < Steffanx> Last paragraph of history section on wikipedia upgrdman
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2017-05-30T10:49:21 < upgrdman> link plz
2017-05-30T10:49:27 < Steffanx> On the hgst page
2017-05-30T10:49:49 < Steffanx> Getting the link is as easy for me as it is for you
2017-05-30T10:50:04 < Steffanx> Browser on pc, irc on phone ;)
2017-05-30T10:50:09 < upgrdman> o
2017-05-30T10:52:52 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-05-30T10:52:57 < upgrdman> so because of regulation
2017-05-30T10:53:05 < upgrdman> wtf, its not like WD has a monopoly of hdd's?
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2017-05-30T10:57:46 < crt> Wafel
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2017-05-30T10:58:19 < Steffanx> Withdrawal
2017-05-30T10:58:30 < upgrdman> withdrafel
2017-05-30T11:00:33 < crt> Penis grenade
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2017-05-30T11:10:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg__B6Ca3jc retweeting
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2017-05-30T11:13:41 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/1lujd6r8uj0z.jpg
2017-05-30T11:21:08 < ohsix> 04:08 < ohsix> for upgrdman later: the gold trace grounds the lid
2017-05-30T11:21:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, ah
2017-05-30T11:21:25 < upgrdman> thx
2017-05-30T11:22:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: do another inverted pendulum problem
2017-05-30T11:22:48 < ohsix> w/ reaction wheelz olol
2017-05-30T11:23:15 < upgrdman> ya i kinda want to try that Cubli thing, but i know im not good enough for it to work decently
2017-05-30T11:23:47 < upgrdman> oh, maybe i can finally get around to DIY'ing a BLDC controller
2017-05-30T11:23:59 < upgrdman> for fun, i know theyre cheaper to just buy
2017-05-30T11:24:46 < sync> Just clone stmbl
2017-05-30T11:24:54 < upgrdman> dongs, found a pool for you  https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/6e3pmi/nut_i_mean_what/
2017-05-30T11:25:25 < upgrdman> sync, ya i kinda want to learn it on my own, just so i can have a better understanding
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2017-05-30T11:49:46 < dongs> damn dickstarter stencil printer is amaze
2017-05-30T11:49:52 < dongs> every board i paste with it is perfect
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2017-05-30T12:03:07 < invzim> dongs: url?
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2017-05-30T12:05:32 < dongs> no url yet. need to pit it on dickstarter
2017-05-30T12:05:47 < invzim> your own stuff?
2017-05-30T12:06:16 < dongs> ya
2017-05-30T12:06:33 < invzim> http://www.hoektronics.com/2012/10/27/super-simple-smt-stencil8/
2017-05-30T12:06:39 < invzim> was looking at something like this
2017-05-30T12:06:42 < dongs> lol.
2017-05-30T12:06:45 < dongs> no this is utter garbage.
2017-05-30T12:07:01 < invzim> got a lot of great reviews, and seem smart
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2017-05-30T12:07:29 < dongs> if your current method is taping kapton stencils to wood, then maybe its an upgrade
2017-05-30T12:09:06 < dongs> anyawy myt shit stretches frameless stencils, and provides perfectly vertical separation stencil->pcb
2017-05-30T12:09:12 < dongs> neither of which failure8 can do
2017-05-30T12:09:37 < dongs> https://youtu.be/kEqovFp5HOU
2017-05-30T12:10:27 < invzim> neato
2017-05-30T12:10:33 < invzim> wish I had space for stuff like that
2017-05-30T12:11:20 < dongs> unles youre assemblign a bunch of shit daily like i do , you proably dont need it anyway
2017-05-30T12:12:10 < invzim> I do not - but would like something usable for 100+ 0603 on my next board
2017-05-30T12:12:29 < dongs> and anyway - i've actually made a stencil8 baseplate.
2017-05-30T12:12:30 < dongs> its just dumb
2017-05-30T12:12:58 < invzim> what's bad about it?  Last time I did stencil, it was kapton and tape :)
2017-05-30T12:13:08 < dongs> the fucking pegs get right in the way of pasting with a wide squeege, and if you place them far apart then stencil eneds to be bigger, and even then, there's no stretching, so the shit just sits on the board, which is useless anyway
2017-05-30T12:14:44 < dongs> the idea is that you make registration holes on pcb to match stencil and then stick pegs + stencil + pcb in a stack
2017-05-30T12:15:07 < dongs> but then your stenciling area is <= square around pegs, which is dumb, you can't fit a wide enough squeege to cover entire pcb, etc
2017-05-30T12:15:34 < dongs> and cuz theres no stretching, you only have a hope of doing one pass over it, if you fuck up and paste didnt go through and/or lifted up etc, youre fukd entire board ruined
2017-05-30T12:15:41 < dongs> i donno, i couldnt think of a usable workflow with that thing
2017-05-30T12:15:47 < dongs> maybe im not MAKE:R enough
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2017-05-30T12:40:54 < Prutheus> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44254005/termios-c-program-to-communicate-with-stm32f103-%C2%B5c
2017-05-30T12:40:59 < Prutheus> can someone help me please
2017-05-30T12:41:10 < Prutheus> englishman: what was your question about my problem which i haven't answered yet?
2017-05-30T12:42:09 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: have you tried disabling flow control?
2017-05-30T12:43:29 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: what is this?
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2017-05-30T12:44:18 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: disabling CRTSCTS
2017-05-30T12:44:24 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: also, why are you using NONBLOCK?
2017-05-30T12:46:12 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: why do you copy the data you're writing?
2017-05-30T12:46:20 < PaulFertser> In sendCmd
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2017-05-30T12:47:11 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: eh, so you set NONBLOCK mode and then busy-wait on input in readData...
2017-05-30T12:47:14 < Prutheus> should i leave nonblock away? how to disable CRTSCTS? is copying a problem?
2017-05-30T12:47:59 < PaulFertser> Usually one reads termios, alters c_iflag , then writes back.
2017-05-30T12:48:19 < PaulFertser> Copying is not a problem but just looks weird, unnecessary and thus silly, imho.
2017-05-30T12:48:44 < Prutheus> okay, removed the copy shit .... okay i don't really have a clue what you are talking abou,t so what must i do now to get it working?
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2017-05-30T12:49:48 < PaulFertser> I'd remove nonblock to avoid more surprises. Then I'd add tcgetattr()/tcsetattr() calls to ensure the port is set in correct mode regarding speed, parity, stop bits and no flow control.
2017-05-30T12:49:58 < PaulFertser> The usual posix serial programming stuff.
2017-05-30T12:50:41 < Prutheus> could you please give me code which must i insert, because i have not much know-how about that
2017-05-30T12:51:01 < PaulFertser> Eh, sorry, I do not feel like writing code I can't test.
2017-05-30T12:51:19 < PaulFertser> Have you checked http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO/ ?
2017-05-30T12:51:21 < Prutheus> i just mean the stuff for tcgetattr etc
2017-05-30T12:52:04 < PaulFertser> I meant modifying c_cflag for disabling hw flow control of course.
2017-05-30T12:52:31 < PaulFertser> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO/x115.html#AEN129
2017-05-30T12:52:34 < Prutheus> ok i added CRTSCTS to this, still not working
2017-05-30T12:53:12 < PaulFertser> My suggestion was to ensure cflag doesn't have CRTSCTS, not to add it...
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2017-05-30T12:54:20 < Prutheus> okay but still not working
2017-05-30T12:54:43 < PaulFertser> I suggest rewriting that in PHP
2017-05-30T12:55:26 < dongs> what the shit
2017-05-30T12:55:30 < dongs> > php
2017-05-30T12:55:35 < dongs> never thought I'd see that mentioned here
2017-05-30T12:55:36 < specing> OMG
2017-05-30T12:55:46  * specing grabs pitchfork
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2017-05-30T12:56:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: I just thought Prutheus might be more familiar with it so it would be easier for him ;)
2017-05-30T12:57:05 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: no, i can C, but i am unfamiliar with serial port communication
2017-05-30T12:57:28 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: strace your app to see what exactly it's doing then.
2017-05-30T12:58:26 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: my app is sending the data, only the /uC is not reacting on them, but when i use libserialport, it works
2017-05-30T12:58:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: you know recent php got some kind of type enforcing facilities?
2017-05-30T12:58:52 < dongs> no idea, i last used it in like 2006
2017-05-30T12:59:33 < dongs> nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 124 normal]
2017-05-30T12:59:36 < dongs> err
2017-05-30T12:59:41 < dongs> http://ataristeven.exxoshost.co.uk/images2/steem_new_sr-min.png < lol
2017-05-30T12:59:45 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: so compare strace for both kind of those apps to see the difference.
2017-05-30T13:00:24 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: ?
2017-05-30T13:00:54 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: I can try answering if you tell me the actual question.
2017-05-30T13:02:07 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: i don't understand what i should do now
2017-05-30T13:02:55 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: you say you have two apps, one working, one not working, both supposed to do the same thing, right? So strace both and compare the actual actions performed to find the difference.
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2017-05-30T13:03:21 < Prutheus> okay, how to use strace?
2017-05-30T13:05:38 < PaulFertser> "man strace" would be a reasonable first step
2017-05-30T13:06:21 < Prutheus> nono i know, but i don't know whhat i should look for there
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2017-05-30T13:07:06 < PaulFertser> ioctl, read, write syscalls
2017-05-30T13:12:11 < Prutheus> woah no this is really kind of tooo complicated
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2017-05-30T13:13:33 < Prutheus> strace crashes my terminal and only displays shit, please no
2017-05-30T13:13:52 < zyp> haha
2017-05-30T13:14:21 < Prutheus> zyp: dont luaght when you dont wanna help :P
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2017-05-30T13:15:45 < zyp> Prutheus, I haven't said anything about not wanting to help you
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2017-05-30T13:15:54 < zyp> I'm just not sure it's possible :)
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2017-05-30T13:17:58 < Steffanx> I get the idea Prutheus doesnt want to help himself
2017-05-30T13:19:42 < ReadErr> hello, u must be new here
2017-05-30T13:19:50 < Prutheus> I want help
2017-05-30T13:19:53 < Prutheus> and wanna help my self
2017-05-30T13:20:24 < ReadErr> i normally recommend just /msg dongs
2017-05-30T13:20:26 < Prutheus> but i am so disappointed taht this is not working ..... because it works with libserialport, and this, exactly this termios example i've posted workf for an other controller with an other usb lib
2017-05-30T13:20:38 < Prutheus> dongs: you got recommended!
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2017-05-30T13:21:52 < zyp> being disappointed doesn't solve problems
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2017-05-30T13:22:36  * PaulFertser got disappointed after he saw busy-looping on a NONBLOCK read
2017-05-30T13:23:56 < Thorn> what limits supply voltage in a push pull bjt stage? is it Vebo? http://www.ecircuitcenter.com/Circuits/pushpull/pushpull.htm
2017-05-30T13:24:03 < Prutheus> zyp: what should i do
2017-05-30T13:24:31 < zyp> Prutheus, well, first of all, the code you are testing with looks like a complex mess
2017-05-30T13:25:12 < zyp> if the problem is that you can't send data, reduce your test case into something that tries to do only that
2017-05-30T13:25:38 < zyp> the less code you are debugging, the less room for errors there are in it
2017-05-30T13:26:26 < zyp> once sending is working, you can put it together with the other stuff
2017-05-30T13:28:52 < Prutheus> but i need to read first, and read works, and directly after reac, i send the 14 bytes
2017-05-30T13:31:11 < zyp> Thorn, max rated blocking voltage for the transistors, I'd guess
2017-05-30T13:31:34 < zyp> assuming you're not running into dissipated power limits
2017-05-30T13:32:14 < Thorn> I assembled a mosfet driver circuit and I get large current increase when Vcc > 8V
2017-05-30T13:32:33 < Thorn> currently investigating why it's happening
2017-05-30T13:33:05 < zyp> got a schematic?
2017-05-30T13:33:18 < Thorn> yes it's scribbled somewhere lol
2017-05-30T13:36:47 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/a/ZQqxA
2017-05-30T13:37:51 < zyp> Prutheus, so, you're writing 14 bytes, and when you're saying it doesn't work, does that mean that the other end is not receiving 14 bytes, or that the other end is not receiving anything?
2017-05-30T13:38:20 < Prutheus> zyp: i dont know if it received some bytes, but i know that it is not receiving all 14
2017-05-30T13:39:02 < ohsix> ne1 actually know the ice situation on the avrs, what clones do what, i'm out of time for caring but wuold like to know
2017-05-30T13:39:42 < zyp> Prutheus, considering you are doing nonblocking IO and not even checking the return code in sendData(), I wouldn't be surprised if it writes the first byte, then some of the following ones gets dropped because it's still busy writing the first
2017-05-30T13:39:54 < karlp> ohsix: basically forget about it.
2017-05-30T13:40:16 < dongs> karlp: what is he starting
2017-05-30T13:40:27 < zyp> Prutheus, also, why the fuck do you take a buffer of bytes and then write them out one by one instead of doing a multi-byte write? also same for read
2017-05-30T13:42:15 < ohsix> Thorn: 8v at in? what's the voltage at the node after the first bjt
2017-05-30T13:42:36 < Thorn> 8V everywhere it says 12V
2017-05-30T13:42:54 < ohsix> ah
2017-05-30T13:43:08 < Thorn> dunno, I turn it off when it happens. need to try with current limit
2017-05-30T13:43:08 < zyp> Thorn, by current increasing a lot, you mean the 12V supply?
2017-05-30T13:43:15 < Thorn> yes
2017-05-30T13:43:21 < ohsix> would say saturation of the push/pull transistors but you picked the beta right for the input one?
2017-05-30T13:43:52 < ohsix> karlp: wouldn't mind having one if i could get it for <5$ ;]
2017-05-30T13:44:39 < Thorn> btw max Vgss for the mosfet is 10V so that can't be 12V anyway
2017-05-30T13:44:56 < ohsix> a dumb hack with simulavr/other avr sim to use the pin/periph status on a real thing would be cute
2017-05-30T13:46:00 < zyp> Thorn, does this happen with the control input low or high? either?
2017-05-30T13:46:23 < Thorn> it happens with input low, not sure about high
2017-05-30T13:46:39 < Thorn> and the upper bjt gets hot, maybe both of them
2017-05-30T13:47:29 < Thorn> (and the only path unless the gate is kaputt is through both of them)
2017-05-30T13:51:35 < zyp> what's the values of the resistors?
2017-05-30T13:53:08 < zyp> maybe the base current is somehow creating a voltage drop large enough that both transistors are active at the same time, creating a shoot-through situation, increasing collector current and thereby further the base current which locks it in that condition
2017-05-30T13:53:17 < Thorn> the two in the input stage are 1k, the rest is 100Ω
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2017-05-30T13:54:07 < Thorn> I should put probes at both bases and see if there's a difference
2017-05-30T13:54:24 < Thorn> maybe it's better to feed both of them with a single resistor
2017-05-30T13:54:26 < zyp> or just short the bases together
2017-05-30T13:54:27 < zyp> yeah
2017-05-30T13:54:39 < Thorn> many circuits show 2 resistors for some reason
2017-05-30T13:55:06 < Thorn> maybe they think it's the same as 2 leds in parallel?
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2017-05-30T13:56:59 < zyp> also, why bjts?
2017-05-30T13:58:03 < Thorn> cheap and fast
2017-05-30T13:58:10 < dongs> zyp, this is a guy who refuses to use a mosfet driver IC
2017-05-30T13:58:19 < dongs> to drife mosfets
2017-05-30T13:59:20 < Thorn> I need 16 channels and I need them dirt cheap. mosfet drivers from china cost 3x as much as mosfets themselves
2017-05-30T13:59:56 < Thorn> and I see pretty nice switching @ 6...7V
2017-05-30T14:00:09 < Thorn> ~200ns
2017-05-30T14:02:44 < karlp> can't you just pick different fets and not need drivers at all?
2017-05-30T14:03:29 < sync> Thorn zyp, do *not* drive two bases with a single resistor
2017-05-30T14:03:44 < Thorn> y
2017-05-30T14:04:19 < sync> because manufacturing tolerances are big enough to give you problems
2017-05-30T14:04:27 < sync> if one base has a lower forward voltage
2017-05-30T14:04:30 < sync> shit will go wrong
2017-05-30T14:07:25 < Thorn> but there is supposed to be ~0.7V of deadband in there
2017-05-30T14:08:10 < sync> yeah, just don't do that
2017-05-30T14:08:15 < sync> it will end in tears
2017-05-30T14:08:28 < sync> sometimes it works fine when the transistors are matched nicely
2017-05-30T14:08:28 < zyp> sync, they are of opposite polarity
2017-05-30T14:08:43 < sync> ah a comp pair
2017-05-30T14:08:45 < sync> well
2017-05-30T14:09:28 < sync> I'd still drive them with two different resistors
2017-05-30T14:09:47 < zyp> why?
2017-05-30T14:10:28 < sync> pheer
2017-05-30T14:11:48 < karlp> that's pretty serious cargo culting if you want to drive a push/pull pair of bjts with separate base resistors...
2017-05-30T14:12:18 < Thorn> http://www.megatokyo.com/strip/70
2017-05-30T14:12:58 < Thorn> (btw he's hacking naked because of ESD)
2017-05-30T14:12:58 < karlp> wow, that's an early one.
2017-05-30T14:13:07 < karlp> that's from back when I even read it
2017-05-30T14:15:39 < karlp> heh. I had this t-shirt http://megatokyo.com/strip/9
2017-05-30T14:15:51 < sync> true karlp, I just got bitten by huge tolerances on cheapshit transistors once
2017-05-30T14:16:00 < sync> which was solved by just using two resistors
2017-05-30T14:16:18 < karlp> rather than not using trash parts? ;)
2017-05-30T14:16:29 < BrainDamage> push pull you have no problems, it's the inverter that has a horrible gotcha, the pnp will power the npn, so you need sep lines
2017-05-30T14:17:05 < ohsix> Thorn: you can get darlington array things cheap too, what's this for?
2017-05-30T14:17:16 < sync> not using trash parts would have been easier, yes
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2017-05-30T14:29:26 < Thorn> ok connecting 2 bases together prevented the shoot through
2017-05-30T14:30:03 < Thorn> now the mosfet heats up @ >=9.4V because the turn off becomes very slow
2017-05-30T14:30:17 < Thorn> but I don't need that much voltage for the driver anyway
2017-05-30T14:30:30 < zyp> seems weird though, I'm not sure how my theory works out unless there's a ton of capacitance around the bases
2017-05-30T14:30:33 < Thorn> the BJTs are cool and the current is low
2017-05-30T14:30:57 < Thorn> there is some ringing at the base(s) and ~400mV difference according to my scope
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2017-05-30T14:31:33 < Thorn> I'll need to isolate the push pull stage and investigate it further
2017-05-30T14:32:33 < BrainDamage> make sure the ringing doesn't come from the scope's inductance, use the spring to contact the gnd, the alligator clip tends to have too high inductance
2017-05-30T14:33:07 < Thorn> it probably does, it's a solderless breadboard and bad probing everywhere
2017-05-30T14:33:20 < zyp> haha
2017-05-30T14:33:42 < BrainDamage> ok, fix the layout first :p
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2017-05-30T14:40:55 < Thorn> ohsix: darlingtons will dissipate enough to require heatsinks -> not cheap
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2017-05-30T14:41:24 < Thorn> (and not small either)
2017-05-30T14:45:55 < sync> wtf are you doing that you have to cheapskate so much?
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2017-05-30T14:48:09 < dongs> this is why i just stopped caring about his shit
2017-05-30T14:48:27 < dongs> smartly done ghetto stuff is ok, but ghetto jsut for the sake of being ghetto is retarded
2017-05-30T14:48:59 < zyp> haha
2017-05-30T14:49:33 < dongs> [    4.967664] systemd[1]: Starting Create Static Device Nodes in /dev...
2017-05-30T14:49:46 < dongs> systemd does this too now?
2017-05-30T14:50:11 < zyp> sounds more like you have a task/service/whatever named that, and systemd just started it
2017-05-30T14:50:25 < Thorn> you haven't seen ghetto lol. the shit I'm competing with drives its mosfets so well that they are less efficient than darlingtons would be
2017-05-30T14:51:16 < Thorn> and run fucking hot and apparently don't last long either
2017-05-30T14:52:09 < BrainDamage> you need to drive hard the mosfets, the more time they spend in quadratic region the more they heat up
2017-05-30T14:52:33 < Thorn> that's what I'm talking about
2017-05-30T14:52:47 < Thorn> they basically don't have drivers at all
2017-05-30T14:53:39 < Thorn> the advantage is of course price
2017-05-30T15:00:21 < dongs> [    7.459894] usbcore: registered new interface driver cp210x
2017-05-30T15:00:21 < dongs> [    7.460077] usbserial: USB Serial support registered for cp210x
2017-05-30T15:00:21 < dongs> [    7.460271] cp210x 1-1.3:1.0: cp210x converter detected
2017-05-30T15:00:25 < dongs> im surprised lunix can see this
2017-05-30T15:00:57 < zyp> how so?
2017-05-30T15:01:05 < dongs> without recompiling kernel
2017-05-30T15:01:09 < dongs> and shit
2017-05-30T15:01:18 < Thorn> not only see but probably also send AT commands into it lol
2017-05-30T15:01:34 < dongs> how many miles long cli do i need to type to achiev ethat
2017-05-30T15:02:06 < zyp> do people still fuck around with compiling kernels?
2017-05-30T15:08:16 < specing> yes
2017-05-30T15:31:55 < dongs> BREAKING White House communications director Mike Dubke resigns, three months after being appointed by President Trump
2017-05-30T15:31:59 < dongs> not sure how breaking that is tho
2017-05-30T15:32:01 < dongs> no idea who that guy is
2017-05-30T15:36:09 < dongs> what does white house communications director do? post on twitter?
2017-05-30T15:36:57 < dongs> Mike Dubke, an experienced Republican strategist, was hired in March to revamp the White House media strategy.
2017-05-30T15:37:08 < dongs> i can understand about 50% of that sentence
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2017-05-30T16:29:06 < Steffanx> Doesnt do the potus do his own twatter?
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2017-05-30T16:43:20 < specing> well he resigned probably because trump's twitter always conflicts with official statements
2017-05-30T16:43:36 < specing> can't have a good strategy with that going on
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2017-05-30T18:49:39 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-05-30T18:51:41 < hetii> As we know stm32 use 8E1 mode for flashing over uart, so is it mean that he receive and store in his register 9 bit (8 bit of data and one of parity) or 7 bit of data and one of parity ?
2017-05-30T18:55:12 < englishman> dongs, when can i order stencil printer
2017-05-30T18:55:32 < PaulFertser> hetii: the former
2017-05-30T18:56:55 < hetii> PaulFertser: what you mean?
2017-05-30T18:57:12 < PaulFertser> hetii: 8 data + 1 parity
2017-05-30T18:57:37 < hetii> ok thx
2017-05-30T18:58:42 < hetii> ok so how its works on real world, let say that stm32 will send some data from bootloader into host, what in the case when some noise happen and host detect error
2017-05-30T18:59:13 < hetii> as I suppose he will just drop this packet and don`t inform stm bootloader that get invalid data?
2017-05-30T19:00:13 < PaulFertser> hetii: depends on the host application of course
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2017-05-30T19:52:48 < sandstorm> I am having trouble by picking a good energy consumption/performance rated microchip from STM 32-bit family. Any suggestions?
2017-05-30T19:54:19 < PaulFertser> stm32l4?
2017-05-30T19:55:17 < sandstorm> What about F family and the L family. I guess F's are good as well if you optimize the code for energy efficiency?
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2017-05-30T19:56:58 < PaulFertser> I think L is supposed to use some advanced tech process to save more power.
2017-05-30T20:01:32 < sandstorm> Can I run mbed or freertos or arduino firmware on L series without any problems ?
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2017-05-30T20:09:26 < karlp> sure, ther're functionally ~same.
2017-05-30T20:09:32 < karlp> just different power specs.
2017-05-30T20:09:54 < karlp> and often have more/different power modes.
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2017-05-30T20:28:07 < Streaker> When you're debugging an external STM32F103 using a Discovery board, from where do you pull the +ve supply for the target board?
2017-05-30T20:28:49 < Streaker> I was expecting to find a header on the discovery for the purpose
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2017-05-30T20:35:07 < sandstorm> karlp: Then it seems L series is a good pick.
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2017-05-30T20:46:50 < karlp> Streaker: look a bit closer then?
2017-05-30T20:47:02 < karlp> or read the UMxxx doc for the discovery board you have
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2017-05-30T21:07:39 < zyp> it's not normal for debuggers to power their targets
2017-05-30T21:08:12 < zyp> usually it's the opposite way around, targets provide power to their debugger as a reference for its voltage translators
2017-05-30T21:08:38 < zyp> the discovery board doesn't have voltage translators, rendering it a moot point
2017-05-30T21:10:35 < karlp> but there's still pins on the headers you can use.
2017-05-30T21:10:42 < Streaker> Did not know that. I was wondering why the SWD connector couldn't power up my target board.
2017-05-30T21:10:43 < karlp> just not in the 6 pin "connect your external target here"
2017-05-30T21:11:00 < Streaker> Yes, got it now.
2017-05-30T21:11:03 < karlp> but if you were looking for on that 6 pin, then yeah, that's what zypw as getting at
2017-05-30T21:11:25 < karlp> the stlink can still read the target voltage, even if it doesn't do anythign with it.
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2017-05-30T21:16:15 < hetii> re :)
2017-05-30T21:16:30 < Streaker> Is it normal for the stlink V2 to flake out if the target is not powered up? I get a USB communication error and everything stops working until I unplug the USB from the discovery board and plug it back in.
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2017-05-30T21:34:03 < jadew> do you guys know of any solder-less connector that fits over pcb mounted SMA footprints and does > 3 GHz?
2017-05-30T21:34:20  * karlp laughs
2017-05-30T21:34:45 < jadew> karlp, it's surely doable
2017-05-30T21:35:52 < zyp> haha
2017-05-30T21:36:06 < hetii> hmm
2017-05-30T21:36:50 < jadew> something that snaps inside the PCB holes
2017-05-30T21:36:52 < karlp> Streaker: maybe if you've got weird / missing grounds.
2017-05-30T21:37:00 < karlp> jadew: yeah, it's called an SMA connector ;)
2017-05-30T21:37:07 < hetii> When 5 bit uart mode is useful? simple 'a' char is encoded by 7 bits
2017-05-30T21:37:08 < karlp> hot air to make it solderless afterwards again :)
2017-05-30T21:37:16 < jadew> karlp, heh
2017-05-30T21:37:16 < karlp> hetii: never. just say no
2017-05-30T21:37:53 < hetii> hmm but was used for some purpose or?
2017-05-30T21:37:53 < jadew> I wonder what temperature SMA connectors from china are rated at
2017-05-30T21:38:05 < jadew> the thing is that I need to do another reflow step after testing
2017-05-30T21:39:29 < karlp> soundsd like a dumb test plan then...
2017-05-30T21:40:27 < jadew> I'm covering it with a shielding can
2017-05-30T21:40:43 < Rob235> https://pastebin.com/bRYNjZXA
2017-05-30T21:41:09 < zyp> hetii, maybe you have binary data with 5-bit words
2017-05-30T21:41:56 < zyp> not all data is ascii, after all
2017-05-30T21:42:17 < hetii> true
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2017-05-30T21:56:30 < Steffanx> http://www.amphenolrf.com/901-144-pf8.html something like that jadew?
2017-05-30T21:56:52 < Steffanx> press-fit is/are the keyword(s) you are looking for.
2017-05-30T21:57:07 < Steffanx> Max Frequency (GHz) 	18
2017-05-30T21:58:20 < jadew> Steffanx, exactly like that
2017-05-30T21:58:22 < jadew> thanks
2017-05-30T22:00:44 < Steffanx> Never used them, so not really a clue how well they work.
2017-05-30T22:01:17 < Steffanx> not really a clue how well press-fit works in general.
2017-05-30T22:01:26 < invzim> going to use the adc of stm32f401 to monitor 4 voltage rails, any common gotchas?
2017-05-30T22:01:29 < jadew> I'll let you know
2017-05-30T22:02:33 < Steffanx> i believe i heard at work that our pcb assembler wasn't really fond of them.
2017-05-30T22:02:37 < Rob235> how am I going to write 25 pages on PID control loops
2017-05-30T22:02:46 < Steffanx> you dont.
2017-05-30T22:03:14 < jadew> Steffanx, good to know, I may change the connector type in the future
2017-05-30T22:03:34 < Rob235> I was going to use it as my capstone project but I dont know if I can write that much about it
2017-05-30T22:03:53 < Rob235> maybe if I implement an auto tune as well but I dunno,
2017-05-30T22:04:27 < sync> Rob235: by first introducing people to control theory
2017-05-30T22:04:39 < sync> then explaining where the poles/zeros end up
2017-05-30T22:04:44 < sync> then show what it does in the bode plot
2017-05-30T22:04:49 < sync> and how your root loci look
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2017-05-30T22:05:09 < Rob235> I dont know any of that stuff, I guess I could learn....
2017-05-30T22:05:29 < sync> well, those are the basics you have to know for pid control
2017-05-30T22:06:28 < jadew> Rob235, that's probably the point of the paper
2017-05-30T22:07:11 < Rob235> yea but I was hoping to lie and write about something I know already :P but I guess I'll put some effort in
2017-05-30T22:16:14 < englishman> is today a holiday in usa
2017-05-30T22:16:21 < Rob235> yesterday?
2017-05-30T22:16:23 < Rob235> memorial day
2017-05-30T22:16:38 < englishman> just yesterday? So ppl should be working today
2017-05-30T22:16:49 < Rob235> yea
2017-05-30T22:16:51 < englishman> ok
2017-05-30T22:17:01 < englishman> I'm just getting ignored then
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2017-05-30T22:21:02 < Rob235> I'm gonna take a shower, everyone picture me naked
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2017-05-30T22:38:03 < Steffanx>  They know how to handle canucks englishman
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2017-05-30T23:09:36 < kakimir> pumps
2017-05-30T23:11:32 < kakimir> secks offloadings
2017-05-30T23:15:53 < Steffanx> Welcome mr kakimir. How was your day today?
2017-05-30T23:18:13 < kakimir> visited air controller center and tower
2017-05-30T23:18:40 < kakimir> did see some finnair regional jet take off and ultralights swarming
2017-05-30T23:19:28 < karlp> sweet. got my first ngspice simulations working. and they match the multisim ones.
2017-05-30T23:19:32 < karlp> now I can start doing real stuff
2017-05-30T23:20:11 < Steffanx> multisim :P
2017-05-30T23:21:36 < Thorn> 500 leds for $2.73 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/500Pcs-lot-3MM-LED-Diode-Kit-Mixed-Color-Red-Green-Yellow-Blue-White/32749396579.html
2017-05-30T23:21:42 < Thorn> 25 leds for $5.95 https://www.adafruit.com/product/780
2017-05-30T23:22:32 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxQdS0pbpKo
2017-05-30T23:24:01 < kakimir> research reactor
2017-05-30T23:28:26 < sync> hmm, not a lot of dev going on in there karlp
2017-05-30T23:28:42 < karlp> sync: hrm?
2017-05-30T23:28:48 < sync> ngspice
2017-05-30T23:28:52 < karlp> what about it?
2017-05-30T23:28:54 < sync> I remember it from way back when
2017-05-30T23:28:59 < sync> nothing, just suprised
2017-05-30T23:29:43 < karlp> name me something better that I can a) run on linux, b) can run scripted to parameterize and c) doesn't cost me anything?
2017-05-30T23:29:50 < karlp> I'm not doing anything crazy.
2017-05-30T23:30:06 < karlp> I'm sure it will do far more than I need.
2017-05-30T23:31:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVIfhjrZT00 musictimes
2017-05-30T23:34:28 < Steffanx> already enough youtube for this evening kakimir.. started to look for an easy way to do box joints in solidworks, ended up watching wood work videos
2017-05-30T23:36:01 < kakimir> I watched youtube so much it wore out
2017-05-30T23:37:18 < kakimir> I watched it until I found distantly good content
2017-05-30T23:37:59 < kakimir> Steffanx: are you on summer vacation or something?
2017-05-30T23:38:48 < Steffanx> no why?
2017-05-30T23:39:23 < kakimir> you seem like a person that keeps daily routines in control and doesn't watch youtube for 5hours straight ever
2017-05-30T23:39:36 < sync> karlp: ltspice
2017-05-30T23:40:02 < Steffanx> nah, my routines are fully automatic. I dont keep track.
2017-05-30T23:40:04 < Steffanx> nor ocntrol them
2017-05-30T23:41:01 < kakimir> that is what I mean actually
2017-05-30T23:41:52 < karlp> sync: did you miss a) runs on linux?
2017-05-30T23:41:52 < Steffanx> but no, no 5 hours of youtube.
2017-05-30T23:42:00 < Steffanx> i can deal with 2, but 5 no way.
2017-05-30T23:42:01 < karlp> also, what's it going to do differently?
2017-05-30T23:42:41 < sync> it runs with wine, so it runs on linux, effectively
2017-05-30T23:44:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNldPdlpENWl1V0E/view?usp=sharing now there is electricity inside my multiworkcloset
2017-05-30T23:44:09 < karlp> righttttt
2017-05-30T23:48:11 < kakimir> not anymore sand blasting cabinet but multiwork cabinet
2017-05-30T23:48:22 < sync> karlp :3
2017-05-30T23:49:57 < kakimir> englishman: https://youtu.be/Z0wAPztOO2U?t=23m53s some madman cycled thru alaska all way too arctic sea
2017-05-30T23:50:24 < englishman> cool
2017-05-30T23:50:32 < englishman> cycling cross country is rather popular
2017-05-30T23:50:43 < kakimir> 25:00 looks like finland
2017-05-30T23:50:45 < englishman> there is a cross-country bike trail under construction
2017-05-30T23:51:04 < englishman> so they dont have to ride on highways like that
2017-05-30T23:51:23 < kakimir> did you mean: bikelane
2017-05-30T23:51:25 < englishman> this guy crossed the country train-hopping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUg0jFO7NTo
2017-05-30T23:51:30 < kakimir> popular thing in europe
2017-05-30T23:51:49 < hetii> Who know why uart frame allow to define few stop bits when in fact stop bits is always high so it should be not important how many those bits is as even 1 but uart in idle state?
2017-05-30T23:53:46 < karlp> so that (for instance) the frames can have consistent entire lengths with varying parity
2017-05-30T23:54:04 < karlp> for instance, 8e1 and 8n2 are both 11 bit times long.
2017-05-30T23:54:11 < karlp> but 8e1 and 8n1 would be different lengths.
2017-05-30T23:55:42 < hetii> I agree about parity and varying amount of bits but
2017-05-30T23:55:52 < hetii> not see a reason to have varying stop bits
2017-05-30T23:57:12 < zyp> the way I understand it, it's to easier distinguish frames from each other on a busy link
2017-05-30T23:57:51 < hetii> but how you want to distinguish it when in idle state its always high
2017-05-30T23:57:52 < zyp> if you have a stop bit and a start bit back to back, that's not really different from any 1-0-combination of bits
2017-05-30T23:58:10 < hetii> hmm
2017-05-30T23:58:45 < zyp> if you have 1.5 stop bits, you get a half-bit timing shift
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2017-05-31T00:04:42 < hetii> So currently I have such code: http://pastebin.pl/view/dd073cf1
2017-05-31T00:06:41 < hetii> softuart_put() seams to work but probably will need to use some logic analyzer and check timings.
2017-05-31T00:07:04 < Thorn> stm32 have real uarts you know
2017-05-31T00:08:01 < hetii> its for esp8266 :)
2017-05-31T00:08:15 < hetii> who also have real uarts but just one
2017-05-31T00:08:15 < hetii> :)
2017-05-31T00:09:05 < hetii> btw I plan to use stm32 also for this project but first I need to finsh this to be able reflash stm32 by esp8266 over wifi.
2017-05-31T00:10:44 < invzim> maaan, moving stuff after routing is a pita in altium
2017-05-31T00:10:56 < aandrew> yes it is
2017-05-31T00:11:12 < aandrew> the same can be said for any EDA tool I suspect
2017-05-31T00:11:29 < invzim> something like lock via to pad would be nice
2017-05-31T00:11:44 < invzim> I know you have unions, but it's very basic
2017-05-31T00:12:33 < invzim> I seem to spend my time ripping up dots of trace
2017-05-31T00:13:14 < invzim> I shouldn't complain, it could be eagle :)
2017-05-31T00:13:39 < aandrew> yeah
2017-05-31T00:13:55 < aandrew> eagle actually had better "pick up a bunch of shit and move it together" than alitum, IMO
2017-05-31T00:14:17 < aandrew> and I really, really liked the "command line" in Eagle, particularly the ability to move a group by a relative distance
2017-05-31T00:14:23 < aandrew> Altium has this as well but it's all pointy clicky bullshit
2017-05-31T00:15:54 < hetii> I like kicad but have few annoying missing...
2017-05-31T00:17:32 < invzim> the one thing I absolutly love about altium is the IPC wizard and supplier search for schematic parts
2017-05-31T00:24:07 < aandrew> really?
2017-05-31T00:24:13 < aandrew> I *never* use that
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2017-05-31T00:33:36 < invzim> what's not to like?  Shiny 3d step models, accurate BOM generation, paste inn pin names and function from excel..
2017-05-31T00:34:06 < karlp> so "show rr1" can show the resistor and it's declared resistor value in spice, but how do I get the resistance itself back into a variable?
2017-05-31T00:34:28 < karlp> need to calculate power and I'm varying the resistance
2017-05-31T00:39:05 < kakimir> https://twitter.com/turnoff_us/status/868535114057347074
2017-05-31T00:39:30 < Steffanx> I see crt got married: https://imgur.com/gallery/3hldC9A
2017-05-31T00:40:30 < zyp> aandrew, pointy clicky? altium got keyboard shortcuts for pretty much everything
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2017-05-31T01:24:36 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/UDgUl
2017-05-31T01:24:56 < jadew> if there are no visible issues on the control board, fucked panel?
2017-05-31T01:26:06 < englishman> what resolution and what cable
2017-05-31T01:26:28 < jadew> I don't know, the mouse is not attached, it's the display of a laptop
2017-05-31T01:26:36 < jadew> so... the cable it comes with
2017-05-31T01:26:38 < englishman> i had stuff like that using displayport 1.1 cables when 1.2 was required
2017-05-31T01:26:50 < englishman> oh
2017-05-31T01:26:53 < englishman> good luck
2017-05-31T01:26:57 < jadew> ah, no this thing just degraded into it
2017-05-31T01:29:53 < jadew> I'm suspecting the little IC that switches between bands, but I invested enough time into this already
2017-05-31T01:30:16 < jadew> I'll put it back together, it's an old laptop anyway
2017-05-31T01:30:22 < jadew> wasted night
2017-05-31T01:37:27 < aandrew> zyp: yep, but the "move selection by x,y" is not one of them to my knowledge, or it's on a goofy shortcut
2017-05-31T01:38:06 < aandrew> invzim: the IPC thing does a marginal job as far as I'm concerned. I just make my own and use a 3D model to verify
2017-05-31T01:39:52 < kakimir> lemme see if I have photo of my eizo damaged by esd or lighting or some grounding current or faulty videocard or
2017-05-31T01:39:57 < kakimir> I cant remember
2017-05-31T01:40:02 < aandrew> if I *really* want to fuck around I use PCB LIbraries Expert, their PoD is cheap enough that if they've got it it's not worth making my own
2017-05-31T01:49:26 < kakimir> crt: guess what I has for you
2017-05-31T01:56:33 < kakimir> jeezles I saw some of my old photos just from few years ago
2017-05-31T01:56:37 < kakimir> time flies
2017-05-31T01:56:50 < kakimir> crt: here you go https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKa19MU3FiTUVOTjg?usp=sharing
2017-05-31T02:04:16 < englishman> nice
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2017-05-31T02:08:51 < kakimir> 2012 vintage
2017-05-31T02:10:44 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ahyKIUwG/IMG_0155.JPG
2017-05-31T02:19:30 < kakimir> stroopwaffle conpiracy
2017-05-31T02:20:19 < kakimir> dutch plan to conquer the world - one waffle at a time
2017-05-31T02:36:00 < jadew> stupid laptop, must have had 50 screws
2017-05-31T02:36:16 < jadew> I spent 15 minutes or more putting it back
2017-05-31T02:36:22 < jadew> and I'm left with 3 screws
2017-05-31T02:36:48 < kakimir> next time use photos and tape the screws to holes too
2017-05-31T02:37:05 < jadew> eh, I didn't care much about it
2017-05-31T02:37:16 < jadew> it's a "repair it if you can" kind of thing
2017-05-31T02:37:23 < jadew> and "don't care if you break it"
2017-05-31T02:37:41 < jadew> which is great, cuz I cracked the case when I took out the panel
2017-05-31T02:38:28 < jadew> not really sure how / when exactly tbh
2017-05-31T02:43:31 < crt> Fuck it right in the pussy
2017-05-31T03:00:14 < crt> Thank kakimir
2017-05-31T03:01:57 < upgrdman> anyone know of a chrome extension to auto-click the "i'm still listening" nag on pandora?
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2017-05-31T03:05:54 < englishman> http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/arm-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx-8-processors/i.mx-8-family-arm-cortex-a53-cortex-a72-virtualization-vision-3d-graphics-4k-video:i.MX8
2017-05-31T03:05:57 < englishman> pro url
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2017-05-31T03:06:00 < Rob235> http://www.droneflyers.com/talk/threads/capstone-project.2950/
2017-05-31T03:06:01 < Rob235> heh
2017-05-31T03:06:20 < englishman> look at all the *stuff*
2017-05-31T03:13:24 < crt> Sampling stroopwafel
2017-05-31T03:16:25 < branjb> so many college kids are obsessed with the idea of droneeeeezzzzzz for their senior projects but didn't take the 5 min to google and realize there's been open source firmware that does what they want available for almost decade now
2017-05-31T03:18:03 < englishman> so many collidge kids think that university is about learning
2017-05-31T03:18:36 < karlp> branjb: and?
2017-05-31T03:18:56 < branjb> reaffirms to me how lazy they are
2017-05-31T03:19:13 < englishman> go work on your drone capstone project bran
2017-05-31T03:19:35 < branjb> i just bought a dji and turned that in
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2017-05-31T03:29:49 < crt> i turned in zano
2017-05-31T03:29:55 < crt> graduated with pumping honours
2017-05-31T03:30:09 < crt> 10/10 would do again
2017-05-31T03:31:24 < crt> also I can conclude the windmill wafels are the best so far i can source locally
2017-05-31T03:31:57 < Rob235> branjb: who says they don't know that it exists?
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2017-05-31T03:32:18 < Rob235> I knew all the open source code was available before I started my firmware
2017-05-31T03:32:59 < Rob235> some people actually want to learn
2017-05-31T03:34:58 < Rob235> I didn't do mine because of school, but since I have a school project to do, I might as well work on a part that I've been meaning to anyway
2017-05-31T03:36:51 < crt> https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/old-dutch-windmill-10772969.jpg can somebody make that into a swastiwheel?
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2017-05-31T03:38:15 < crt> the best bit is there are no comments stm32.pro
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2017-05-31T03:50:38 < dongs>  < jadew> do you guys know of any solder-less connector that fits over pcb mounted SMA footprints and does > 3 GHz?
2017-05-31T03:50:41 < dongs> i bet kikemir does
2017-05-31T03:54:40 < aandrew> virtualized arm
2017-05-31T03:54:42 < aandrew> what a world
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2017-05-31T04:34:13 < dongs> judew more like
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2017-05-31T04:58:54 < upgrdman> found dongs' elementary school presentation  https://i.redd.it/jiq0nulezm0z.jpg
2017-05-31T05:02:26 < dongs> dont you have a new arduino PID video to make
2017-05-31T05:02:49 < dongs> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2017/05/02/shitty-shibuya-dozens-of-human-turds-discovered-on-tokyo-train-platform/
2017-05-31T05:04:24 < upgrdman> flyback, you poop'd that much?
2017-05-31T05:05:17 < crt> hey boys,
2017-05-31T05:05:21 < crt> molotovs over here!
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2017-05-31T06:09:47 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooW6OQMKEdk
2017-05-31T06:19:16 < dongs>  lewl
2017-05-31T06:19:39 < dongs> how does he get them off
2017-05-31T06:23:01 < upgrdman> good question
2017-05-31T06:34:47 < dongs> is there a stm32 fidget spiner yet
2017-05-31T06:34:54 < crt> nuh
2017-05-31T06:34:57 < Rob235> good idea
2017-05-31T06:35:26 < Rob235> it can charge itself
2017-05-31T06:35:29 < Rob235> :)
2017-05-31T06:35:36 < dongs> POV display of cocks while you spin it
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2017-05-31T07:52:35 < crt> yeah mate
2017-05-31T08:18:06 < crt> what else to fucken fix today
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2017-05-31T08:50:17 < crt> CRUDUX CRUO
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2017-05-31T09:14:13 < dongs> anyone (zyp?) done any tests how long supercap keeps backupram and rtc going?
2017-05-31T09:17:04 < zyp> haven't tested, but I've estimated it to around four days going by datasheet figures
2017-05-31T09:18:16 < zyp> I didn't do the software on the LL board, just handed over the hardware and let them play with it
2017-05-31T09:18:54 < upgrdman> any reason why flash pages tend to be big-ish? e.g. why not make them all like 1KB or something like that
2017-05-31T09:19:08 < upgrdman> not just in stm32, but like spi flash too
2017-05-31T09:19:18 < qyx> dongs: I did some calculations and they agreed with zyp's
2017-05-31T09:19:30 < crt> R2COM: doing the last minute repairs
2017-05-31T09:19:35 < zyp> upgrdman, because it's cheaper, I'd assume
2017-05-31T09:19:40 < crt> before I set sail to find julian assange
2017-05-31T09:20:26 < qyx> I just used a CR1220
2017-05-31T09:20:51 < qyx> btw how do you usually measure such <10uA currents?
2017-05-31T09:20:56 < qyx> my dmm shows 0
2017-05-31T09:21:12 < crt> better get a better unit mate
2017-05-31T09:22:05 < upgrdman> qyx, 10K shunt? or 100K
2017-05-31T09:22:08 < qyx> also true, but someone mentioned using a large resistor
2017-05-31T09:22:53 < upgrdman> 1uA across 100Kohm is "only" 0.1V drop
2017-05-31T09:23:28 < crt> could just ebeg for a better meter
2017-05-31T09:24:08 < dongs> zyp, and on LL thing its just connected to vbat, so there's some voltage/current going to it when system is normally powered?
2017-05-31T09:24:56 < zyp> vbat only consumes current when vdd is not present, since stm32 got internal power switch for the backup domain
2017-05-31T09:25:02 < dongs> right
2017-05-31T09:25:07 < dongs> but i mean, how does it get charged
2017-05-31T09:25:09 < dongs> in noraml use
2017-05-31T09:25:18 < zyp> diode -> resistor -> supercap -> vbat
2017-05-31T09:25:53 < zyp> diode prevents it from being discharged, resistor limits the charge rate
2017-05-31T09:26:07 < dongs> you mean vcc->diode->resistor>blah
2017-05-31T09:26:12 < zyp> yes
2017-05-31T09:27:05 < dongs> upgrdman: same reason SPI flash pages are liek 64k
2017-05-31T09:27:17 < crt> R2COM: did you tell your hookers about ##stm32 ?
2017-05-31T09:27:21 < upgrdman> dongs, whys that?
2017-05-31T09:27:58 < zyp> dongs, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/DUqND/D4B-EVSE-EDM.pdf <- see last page here
2017-05-31T09:28:05 < zyp> that's same circuit as LL board
2017-05-31T09:29:26 < dongs> ah okay.
2017-05-31T09:31:48 < crt> CP PWM hey
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2017-05-31T10:00:57 < crt> Cool
2017-05-31T10:01:04 < crt> What is cp pwm
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2017-05-31T10:05:46 < Streaker> pwm'd cp??
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2017-05-31T10:37:44 < Rob235> does the stm32f407 use 32 bit IEEE 754 floats
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2017-05-31T11:09:14 < Steffanx> #covfefe
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2017-05-31T11:31:22 < dongs> what the shit is that
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2017-05-31T11:34:57 < zyp> dongs, oh, you're gonna love this compiler
2017-05-31T11:35:00 < zyp> warning #10366-D: automatic library build: using library "C:\ti\ccsv7\tools\compiler\ti-cgt-arm_16.9.1.LTS\lib\rtsv7R4_A_le_v3D16_eabi.lib" for the first time, so it must be built.  This may take a few minutes.
2017-05-31T11:35:04 < zyp> >> ERROR: mklib: could not find program "gmake", required for building libraries.  Modify the PATH environment variable to contain a directory containing this program.
2017-05-31T11:35:26 < dongs> crap composter studio?
2017-05-31T11:35:36 < zyp> well, the compiler it uses
2017-05-31T11:35:51 < dongs> fucking gmake
2017-05-31T11:35:53 < dongs> awful
2017-05-31T11:39:07 < c10ud^> where's the donald at?
2017-05-31T11:40:13 < dongs> wrong cahnnel
2017-05-31T11:40:47 < c10ud^> lol
2017-05-31T11:45:11 < zyp> haha, this gets better
2017-05-31T11:45:13 < zyp> >> ERROR: mklib: could not find program "sh", required for building libraries.  Modify the PATH environment variable to contain a directory containing this program.
2017-05-31T11:45:33 < dongs> uh
2017-05-31T11:45:41 < dongs> what do those cucks expect you to isntall, bash 4 windows?
2017-05-31T11:46:06 < zyp> apparently ccs ships with a bunch of shit from cygwin
2017-05-31T11:46:13 < dongs> why isnt it running tho
2017-05-31T11:46:17 < dongs> did they fail adding to path properly?
2017-05-31T11:47:00 < zyp> no, I did, I'm working out how to run this shit without relying on this fucking eclipse makefile generation bullshit
2017-05-31T11:47:19 < dongs> brave
2017-05-31T11:47:33 < dongs> <zyp> my final goal is to convert this to Scons because reasons
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2017-05-31T11:47:55 < zyp> that's exactly what I've done
2017-05-31T11:48:43 < dongs> heh
2017-05-31T11:49:29 < zyp> I've mostly got it working, apart from missing symbols because libc didn't get built
2017-05-31T11:49:48 < zyp> I added the path shit so libc is building now, and then it should hopefully work
2017-05-31T11:50:32 < dongs> whats so specail about thier shitty compiler?
2017-05-31T11:50:34 < dongs> isnt it just gcc?
2017-05-31T11:51:13 < zyp> no, they've got some other shit
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2017-05-31T12:00:21 < Steffanx> Dongs, trump twatted that.
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2017-05-31T12:06:30 < dongs> Steffanx: twatted what
2017-05-31T12:09:21 < dongs> oic
2017-05-31T12:09:22 < dongs> googled
2017-05-31T12:09:25 < dongs> i wish i didnt tho
2017-05-31T12:14:35 < Steffanx> Hah
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2017-05-31T12:31:38 < ReadErr> its cool, WW3 will start with Germany soon enough
2017-05-31T12:40:28 < Steffanx> Or france. Hand shake gate.
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2017-05-31T12:42:18 < sync> pls no ReadErr
2017-05-31T12:43:34 < Tectu> this shit again? seriously?
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2017-05-31T12:43:42 < Tectu> is there anything not related to war in your head?
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2017-05-31T12:44:10 < Steffanx> Triggered.
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2017-05-31T12:53:46 < Peter_M> >dongs opens door
2017-05-31T12:53:50 < Peter_M> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTpHNMdOZU starts playing
2017-05-31T12:53:51 < ReadErr> you didnt see the twitter beef
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2017-05-31T13:12:54 < Steffanx> Not available Peter_M
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2017-05-31T13:41:41 < dongs> https://imgur.com/i8MEXct
2017-05-31T13:41:42 < dongs> lewl
2017-05-31T13:42:18 < dongs> jadew function generator
2017-05-31T13:42:54 < Tectu> holy shit
2017-05-31T13:43:00 < Tectu> that´s seriously fucked up
2017-05-31T13:43:17 < Tectu> no idea what level 400 is but it must be something like below -9000
2017-05-31T13:44:35 < jadew> funny
2017-05-31T13:44:42 < jadew> must be a troll project
2017-05-31T13:44:53 < jadew> nobody is that stupid
2017-05-31T13:44:56 < dongs> looks like a typical american college project
2017-05-31T13:49:23 < c10ud^> neat
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2017-05-31T14:11:43 < zyp> hahaha, awesome pcb
2017-05-31T14:13:22 < jpa-> seeed just refused my gerber files, probably for similar reasons :F
2017-05-31T14:15:14 < zyp> "Worse yet, there was this one fab close by that did 1 day turn around for a couple hundred bucks."
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2017-05-31T15:07:09 < dongs> < jpa-> seeed just refused my gerber files
2017-05-31T15:07:09 < dongs> what
2017-05-31T15:07:14 < dongs> did you generate them from kikecad or something
2017-05-31T15:11:00 < jpa-> yeah
2017-05-31T15:11:54 < jpa-> one day i'll ask you to pnp one of my kikecad projects
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2017-05-31T15:16:26 < jadew> jpa-, why did they refused it?
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2017-05-31T15:22:54 < jpa-> jadew: dunno yet, made some random changes and resubmitted
2017-05-31T15:23:15 < jpa-> they don't say anything except "Did not meet our requirements"
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2017-05-31T15:24:14 < jpa-> i guess it was either that i had a oval hole with width of 0.5mm, reviewed specs and it has to be 0.8mm; or then it was kicad generating something called "gerber attributes"
2017-05-31T15:24:56 < dongs> ah yes
2017-05-31T15:24:57 < dongs> those fucking THINGS
2017-05-31T15:25:02 < dongs> makes your shit cannot open in CMA350
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2017-05-31T15:25:09 < dongs> the fucking comments at start of .gbr
2017-05-31T15:25:15 < dongs> they're on by default for some fuckign reasron
2017-05-31T15:26:02 < jpa-> %TF.GenerationSoftware,KiCad,Pcbnew,4.0.2+dfsg1-stable*%   etc
2017-05-31T15:26:25 < dongs> yes
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2017-05-31T15:27:41 < jpa-> the kicad gui doesn't seem to enable it by default but i was using the python script "gen_gerbers.py" and it does
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2017-05-31T15:45:42 < sync> dongs: iirc newer versions of scam350 can do it
2017-05-31T15:45:58 < sync> But all the cloners have that one broken version
2017-05-31T15:47:00 < crt> 350 wut
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2017-05-31T16:01:37 < Thorn> >Had several students think solder was wire, and wondered why the wire kept melting.
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2017-05-31T16:07:04 < crt> Steffanx: can u tell thorn I wanna kiss him
2017-05-31T16:08:23 < Steffanx> Nah.
2017-05-31T16:09:38 < crt> Lol
2017-05-31T16:12:40 < Thorn> https://hsto.org/files/0c8/5d4/dc6/0c85d4dc62be4ee0a62e6a992f1e57d9.jpg
2017-05-31T16:21:50 < crt> M
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2017-05-31T16:31:02 < karlp> Thorn: ollllddd there's a whole gallery..
2017-05-31T16:38:21 < dongs> sync: oic, i'm on 10.9, can't afford 12.whatever just to view fucking gerbers
2017-05-31T16:38:31 < dongs> i think most cloners are using some garbage from nearly 10 yearsa go
2017-05-31T16:39:00 < sync> yeah
2017-05-31T16:39:49 < dongs> anyway 10.9 chokes on it too
2017-05-31T16:39:56 < dongs> its not the gerber *parser* its the auto-detect thing
2017-05-31T16:40:18 < dongs> auto-detect marks them as 'crap' upon seeing %TF shit, which makes them simply not load those layers as gerber data
2017-05-31T16:40:25 < dongs> but if you manually load the dir / layers then it works fine
2017-05-31T16:40:31 < dongs> donno if its same in old/crap version tho
2017-05-31T16:41:08 < dongs> fukin cloners
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2017-05-31T16:42:15 < dongs> < jpa-> one day i'll ask you to pnp one of my kikecad projects
2017-05-31T16:42:17 < dongs> lol
2017-05-31T16:42:28 < dongs> i did a jappu kikecad project assembly the other day
2017-05-31T16:42:57 < dongs> other than parts list not being CSV but length-formatted? or whatever the fuck you call it, it was fairly uneventful
2017-05-31T16:43:10 < dongs> just had to load it up into excel and massage columns/etc to match my import format
2017-05-31T16:45:09 < aandrew> yeah I don't understand why people don't use CSV
2017-05-31T16:45:20 < aandrew> it's trivial to massage into columns if you want that idiot format
2017-05-31T16:45:38 < dongs> maybe its for eurofags
2017-05-31T16:45:42 < dongs> that write shit like 1,22mm
2017-05-31T16:47:55 < karlp> that's why CSV stands for semiColon Separate Values right? ;)
2017-05-31T16:48:03  * karlp fucking hates this , as decimal shit
2017-05-31T16:49:11 < dongs> so euros use ; as separator?
2017-05-31T16:50:02 < Thorn> there is a dedicated field separator char, \t
2017-05-31T16:50:23 < Thorn> code 9 iirc
2017-05-31T16:50:35 < karlp> just about all csvs that cross my desk are ; separated not , separted
2017-05-31T16:59:29 < englishman> dongs> https://imgur.com/i8MEXct
2017-05-31T16:59:31 < englishman> rofl
2017-05-31T16:59:33 < englishman> branjb busted
2017-05-31T17:00:52 < karlp> hrm, spice models from ON for the 6.7 and 7 and 12v zener, but not the 10v zener.  magic numbers more than just "6.7V" figures...
2017-05-31T17:03:01 < crt> Altium pro
2017-05-31T17:07:54 < Laurenceb_> thanks karlp
2017-05-31T17:08:01 < Laurenceb_> now I have to use dmlread
2017-05-31T17:08:04 < Laurenceb_> reeeeee
2017-05-31T17:08:38 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50PCS-Alloy-resistance-current-sensing-resistor-2512-3-720-201-012-060-805-mOhm-sense-resistor/32368758351.html
2017-05-31T17:10:10 < karlp> dmlread?
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2017-05-31T17:17:18 < dongs> thats when he yanks the ethernet cable out of his desktop, tearing half the RJ45 plug with it
2017-05-31T17:18:54 < dongs> 1206 led, huh
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2017-05-31T17:19:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/AES-encryption-between-two-arduino/ yessssssssssss
2017-05-31T17:21:34 < c10ud^> where's your bid
2017-05-31T17:23:45 < dongs> ohhh new CUBE
2017-05-31T17:24:07 < dongs> Added support for code generation using the Low Level libraries for the STM32L0 and STM32F0 Series.
2017-05-31T17:24:10 < dongs> neat
2017-05-31T17:24:19 < dongs> Project can be generated as a general purpose makefile.
2017-05-31T17:24:19 < dongs> lol
2017-05-31T17:24:34 < Steffanx> But keil has all the wizards you neeed.
2017-05-31T17:24:35 < Thorn> old
2017-05-31T17:24:48 < dongs> it does
2017-05-31T17:24:56 < dongs> i gotta use cube to see if I can turn on all 7 uarts on F427, lol
2017-05-31T17:25:03 < dongs> retarded fucking customer requirement, glad I'm not coding it
2017-05-31T17:25:50 < aandrew> heh
2017-05-31T17:25:53 < aandrew> cube is love
2017-05-31T17:25:55 < aandrew> cube is life
2017-05-31T17:27:04 < Steffanx> To Cube or not to Cube (that is not a question)
2017-05-31T17:28:00 < dongs> oh, thanks ST
2017-05-31T17:28:09 < dongs> after 131megs cube download stopped
2017-05-31T17:28:15 < dongs> and its re-downloading it AGAIN
2017-05-31T17:28:17 < dongs> awesoem
2017-05-31T17:31:53 < englishman> also makefile support \o/
2017-05-31T17:32:22 < englishman> haha http://i.imgur.com/6MXBqL0.png
2017-05-31T17:36:23 < dongs> wtf is that?
2017-05-31T17:36:29 < dongs> 0day cube warez?
2017-05-31T17:37:11 < dongs> uh... how long is it gonna download MCUSFEATURESANDDSECRITION.JSON here
2017-05-31T17:37:21 < dongs> at 22k/sec fucking hell
2017-05-31T17:38:38 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/TQYLV0b.jpg
2017-05-31T17:38:42 < englishman> in montreal
2017-05-31T17:39:46 < dongs> how do i charge a random lithium batt
2017-05-31T17:40:01 < dongs> just v=4.2, like 100ma current limit and go?
2017-05-31T17:40:39 < dongs> wow the new mcu selector in cube is RETARDED
2017-05-31T17:40:39 < Lux> should work
2017-05-31T17:41:18 < englishman> yes
2017-05-31T17:41:33 < englishman> your psu will current limit until constant-voltage charge kicks in
2017-05-31T17:41:54 < dongs> yeah
2017-05-31T17:41:57 < englishman> pretty much exactly what a commercial lipo charger will do
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2017-05-31T17:41:58 < dongs> thats what its d oing
2017-05-31T17:42:14 < dongs> these fucks left a camera here and charger in alaska
2017-05-31T17:42:23 < dongs> and of course while it has a USB port, it doesnt charge from it
2017-05-31T17:42:25 < dongs> go canon
2017-05-31T17:43:08 < dongs> wow, you can enable all 8 uarts without conflict
2017-05-31T17:43:13 < dongs> lolz
2017-05-31T17:43:25 < dongs> i guess these guys can knock themselves out writing all the shitcode to handle them
2017-05-31T17:43:56 < englishman> im under the impression that no slrs charge from usb port
2017-05-31T17:44:11 < dongs> nah its not a slr it some otehr shit, but it doesnt charge either
2017-05-31T17:44:17 < englishman> ghey
2017-05-31T17:44:32 < dongs> canon powershit
2017-05-31T17:44:41 < dongs> oh well, battery is charging, should be ok
2017-05-31T17:46:48 < dongs> wow, and 6 of them can do DMA
2017-05-31T17:47:12 < dongs> uart7/8 are probably shitty dma-less crap
2017-05-31T17:47:26 < dongs> or it actualy ran out of channels
2017-05-31T17:47:45 < dongs> what is this "multiprocessor communication" thing in cube for uart?
2017-05-31T17:48:31 < Peter_M> englishman - genuinely surprised they didnt jsut get the big truck and push the car out of the way
2017-05-31T17:48:38 < dongs>   For instance one of the USARTs can be the master, its TX output is connected to
2017-05-31T17:48:41 < dongs>   the RX input of the other USART. The others are slaves, their respective TX outputs
2017-05-31T17:48:45 < dongs>   are logically ANDed together and connected to the RX input of the master.
2017-05-31T17:48:47 < dongs> oh.. just multidrop
2017-05-31T17:49:29 < dongs> and some addressing thing
2017-05-31T17:49:31 < dongs> hm
2017-05-31T17:50:27 < Streaker> Is there a pattern to how the GPIOs are assigned to pins on an STM32 part?
2017-05-31T17:50:33 < dongs> no
2017-05-31T17:50:48 < dongs> tho there's some pin-compatiility stuff going on
2017-05-31T17:51:01 < dongs> like you know pa9/10 on pretty mucvh every(?) part is guaranteed to be usart1
2017-05-31T17:51:29 < dongs> but order of pins on package, i think its just related how they're mapped out on edges of die
2017-05-31T17:51:51 < Streaker>  They aren't even in order. A0 to A7 in a row and A8 on the other side of the package...
2017-05-31T17:52:02 < dongs> right
2017-05-31T17:52:27 < dongs> also has to do with 5V-tolerance of the pins as well
2017-05-31T17:52:41 < Streaker> How is that?
2017-05-31T17:53:00 < dongs> well, they're on teh same port, but 5v tolerant stuff has different I/O cell structure
2017-05-31T17:53:04 < dongs> so it may be in a different part of the die
2017-05-31T17:53:09 < dongs> next to other 5v tolerant pins
2017-05-31T17:53:39 < Streaker> Oh crap. So on a single port all the pins need not be 5V tolerant?
2017-05-31T17:53:47 < dongs> of course not.
2017-05-31T17:53:52 < dongs> PortA is a prime example
2017-05-31T17:54:01 < dongs> like pa0..pa4 or so are analog/3.3v max shits
2017-05-31T17:54:10 < dongs> on every part that I can think of anyway
2017-05-31T17:54:49 < dongs> on F1, PA0..7 are 3.3V max, PA8 is FT
2017-05-31T17:55:08 < Streaker> What's "FT"?
2017-05-31T17:55:13 < dongs> 5v tolerant
2017-05-31T17:56:05 < dongs> hm, F401 PA0.. are FT. despite being adc. intersting. i didn't notice that
2017-05-31T17:56:31 < dongs> but on that particular chip looks like every pin is setup that way. maybe its a feature
2017-05-31T17:57:06 < dongs> but anyway, yeah, so order = die/pin feature dependent, and to keep with previously packages/pin compatibility across families.
2017-05-31T17:57:11 < dongs> and no, there's no pattern
2017-05-31T17:57:32 < dongs> read datasheet to find outmore.
2017-05-31T17:57:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/atmega-video-streaming/ oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuck
2017-05-31T17:57:48 < dongs> attn englishman
2017-05-31T17:57:57 < dongs> Connecting the camera module OV7670 through 1 or 2 atmega16a's to stream the video on the 3.2'' TFT LCD Display YX32B. C or C++, most preferably using libraries.
2017-05-31T17:58:00 < dongs> 2 atmega's because of the limited number of pins. 1 may be enough if you use 8-bit operating modes for the modules.
2017-05-31T17:58:04 < dongs> ha ha ha ha ha ha
2017-05-31T17:58:06 < dongs> fucking
2017-05-31T17:59:33 < englishman> nice
2017-05-31T17:59:46 < englishman> 9 freelancers are bidding on average $208 for this job
2017-05-31T17:59:58 < englishman> i have someone who wants me to charge per hour
2017-05-31T18:00:01 < englishman> what do i ask
2017-05-31T18:00:08 < englishman> srs
2017-05-31T18:00:15 < Streaker> 120$ /hr
2017-05-31T18:00:16 < dongs> EE stuff?
2017-05-31T18:00:19 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-31T18:00:22 < dongs> 90+ i guess
2017-05-31T18:00:29 < dongs> and just bill them reasonably instead of actual time
2017-05-31T18:00:37 < dongs> i.e.spend 8 hours autisming on irc, bill for 2-3
2017-05-31T18:00:43 < englishman> usually when quoting a project i estimate for $100/hr then total it up
2017-05-31T18:00:45 < englishman> but they want hourly
2017-05-31T18:00:57 < dongs> like actual hourly?
2017-05-31T18:00:59 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-31T18:01:00 < dongs> including jerking off on ic?
2017-05-31T18:01:01 < dongs> irc
2017-05-31T18:01:07 < dongs> kikes
2017-05-31T18:01:11 < englishman> well i would pause the timer when jerking
2017-05-31T18:01:27 < Streaker> They'll ask you to install desktop monitoring software
2017-05-31T18:01:50 < englishman> great, i have 7 desktops, ill just leave altidumb open on one of them
2017-05-31T18:02:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Write-small-code-for-STM/
2017-05-31T18:02:43 < dongs> why would you use a $0.20 STM8 for this (and firmware) when you can just use a fucking zero-crossing triac driver
2017-05-31T18:02:54 < englishman> IAR tho
2017-05-31T18:03:03 < dongs> i didnt even know IAR existed for st8
2017-05-31T18:03:07 < dongs> stvd works totally fine
2017-05-31T18:03:38 < englishman> dongs, found the guy at that school who graduated top of class http://arcelectronicsinc.com/testinfo/eca-320polygons.png
2017-05-31T18:04:13 < dongs> there's a dickbutt in there right
2017-05-31T18:05:14 < sync> oh
2017-05-31T18:05:22 < sync> isn't that this russian eda softwarez?
2017-05-31T18:05:55 < dongs> looks like eagle to me
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2017-05-31T18:10:42 < Peter_M> lol, thats pretty fuckin cool, although defs autism level of time wasting
2017-05-31T18:10:59 < Peter_M> every fuckin route is a poly
2017-05-31T18:11:23 < Peter_M> 0/10 for going over board outline with your main fills though
2017-05-31T18:17:09 < zyp> that looks like it has been generated in toporouter and imported into eagle
2017-05-31T18:19:37 < kakimir> such ugle board
2017-05-31T18:19:48 < zyp> not enough SMAs
2017-05-31T18:19:49 < kakimir> uglee!
2017-05-31T18:22:42 < kakimir> you get more obsessed with SMAs than I do
2017-05-31T18:23:19 < kakimir> Im sorry for scarring your psyche permanently
2017-05-31T18:25:57 < kakimir> actually I'm not much all obsessed
2017-05-31T18:26:14 < kakimir> I just deal with my decisions
2017-05-31T18:31:56 < dongs> what was that F429ZI errata that required rev Z?
2017-05-31T18:31:58 < dongs> something about DMA?
2017-05-31T18:32:30 < zyp> who were going on about that?
2017-05-31T18:32:33 < dongs> you
2017-05-31T18:32:36 < dongs> on the LL boards
2017-05-31T18:32:42 < zyp> that was rev 3, not rev Z
2017-05-31T18:32:43 < dongs> that shit digikey sent you that was wrong revision
2017-05-31T18:32:44 < dongs> oh
2017-05-31T18:33:00 < dongs> oh was that PA12
2017-05-31T18:33:15 < zyp> yes, PA12 vs data corruption in flash block 2
2017-05-31T18:33:33 < dongs> man that is so fucking obscure
2017-05-31T18:33:43 < zyp> haha, yeah
2017-05-31T18:34:12 < dongs> The device operates from a 2.7 to 3.6 V VDD power supply
2017-05-31T18:34:16 < dongs> so basicaly, anytime its on??
2017-05-31T18:34:21 < dongs> or does that part go down to 1.8V
2017-05-31T18:34:41 < zyp> doesn't all F4 go pretty low?
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2017-05-31T18:37:30 < dongs> oh looks ike it can run at 1.7
2017-05-31T18:45:04 < dongs> https://imgur.com/8qhmFwh
2017-05-31T18:45:55 < karlp> morons
2017-05-31T18:47:02 < invzim> micro sd slot giving me headache
2017-05-31T18:47:08 < dongs> how so
2017-05-31T18:47:18 < invzim> one zillion different ones
2017-05-31T18:47:27 < dongs> there are standard footprints
2017-05-31T18:47:33 < invzim> for micro sd?!
2017-05-31T18:47:37 < dongs> yes
2017-05-31T18:47:41 < invzim> part#?
2017-05-31T18:47:48 < dongs> the more available types, that are cloned in china etc.
2017-05-31T18:47:51 < dongs> what kind do you want?
2017-05-31T18:48:12 < invzim> hold on, got a link to nice no-name I got from ali
2017-05-31T18:49:03 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50pcs-LOT-9pin-Micro-SD-card-slot-connectors-size-14-15mm-TF-card-deck-fit-for/32480262555.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.1lFDDl
2017-05-31T18:49:11 < dongs> ya those
2017-05-31T18:49:12 < Teeed> wo
2017-05-31T18:49:21 < invzim> they can be hand soldered and has a mounting hole
2017-05-31T18:49:33 < invzim> alignment holes
2017-05-31T18:50:10 < invzim> dongs: do you know a brand-name official version of those that can go in a bom?
2017-05-31T18:50:56 < dongs> yeah im checking, its a clone of either molex or TE, i looked at that eaxct tytpe few months ago and had the matching one
2017-05-31T18:51:08 < invzim> google didn't give me much on tfp09-2-12b
2017-05-31T18:51:24 < dongs> ya no
2017-05-31T18:51:28 < dongs> thats just made up number
2017-05-31T18:56:56 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/HKN1gpk.jpg
2017-05-31T19:01:16 < invzim> dongs: if you find it, I'm one happy camper
2017-05-31T19:01:27 < dongs> ya, im checking my chatlogs about that shit
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2017-05-31T19:04:56 < Steffanx> Badass jadew
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2017-05-31T19:05:49 < karlp> is that someting we don't have in the zypsnips yet?
2017-05-31T19:06:12 < dongs> microsd clones?
2017-05-31T19:06:18 < karlp> hrm, looks like no.
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2017-05-31T19:12:21 < dongs> hurm im not seeing these chats. that must have been before i rage-thrown my phone into the wall trashing it
2017-05-31T19:12:29 < dongs> ill poke chinagirl tomororw
2017-05-31T19:12:33 < dongs> that TFP looks not bad socket anyway
2017-05-31T19:12:36 < dongs> should always be avilable from china :)
2017-05-31T19:13:07 < dongs> http://images.100y.com.tw/pdf_file/10-TFP09-2-12B.pdf here's a less retarded datasheet
2017-05-31T19:13:12 < dongs> but still no mention of actual manufacturer
2017-05-31T19:13:28 < dongs> man that drawing is from 2007
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2017-05-31T19:15:00 < englishman> btw karlp adapter is working gr8 http://i.imgur.com/Y6XAAdP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GKRR3Rj.jpg
2017-05-31T19:15:07 < englishman> jlink clones don't source 3v3 tho
2017-05-31T19:15:25 < dongs> leds?!
2017-05-31T19:15:33 < dongs> in series with swd?
2017-05-31T19:15:36 < englishman> yes
2017-05-31T19:15:39 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-05-31T19:15:42 < englishman> well no
2017-05-31T19:15:43 < englishman> parallel
2017-05-31T19:16:11 < emeb> better signal integrity!
2017-05-31T19:16:11 < englishman> when they blink you know shit is going down
2017-05-31T19:16:21 < dongs> how the shit does it work with SWDIO which is bidirecitonaly lol
2017-05-31T19:16:24 < dongs> er bidirectional
2017-05-31T19:16:27 < englishman> it works fine?
2017-05-31T19:16:39 < englishman> i said parallel
2017-05-31T19:17:07 < dongs> heh i guess.. i dono
2017-05-31T19:17:29 < emeb> LED don't give a shit which side the volts come from.
2017-05-31T19:17:33 < dongs> yeah
2017-05-31T19:17:41 < dongs> englishman: when are you upgrading to jlink ultra+
2017-05-31T19:17:45 < dongs> worthwhile investment
2017-05-31T19:17:51 < dongs> over that stdink thing
2017-05-31T19:17:52 < englishman> i didnt even upgrade to jlinkclone v9 yet
2017-05-31T19:17:56 < dongs> heh
2017-05-31T19:18:00 < dongs> cloens are meh
2017-05-31T19:18:14 < englishman> does jlink have some nonretarded software for "just flashing" like st-link?
2017-05-31T19:18:17 < englishman> that's why im using stlink for this
2017-05-31T19:18:20 < dongs> yes
2017-05-31T19:18:22 < dongs> j-flash
2017-05-31T19:18:25 < dongs> one key press
2017-05-31T19:18:31 < dongs> you can erase, flash, verify, secur, etc.
2017-05-31T19:18:32 < englishman> no it's retarded
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2017-05-31T19:18:37 < dongs> no its not
2017-05-31T19:18:37 < englishman> have to select chip family etc every time
2017-05-31T19:18:40 < dongs> what no
2017-05-31T19:18:45 < dongs> you save the fucking project and double click it
2017-05-31T19:18:48 < dongs> even saves teh .hex to flash
2017-05-31T19:18:50 < dongs> and all options
2017-05-31T19:18:51 < englishman> first window on open is "create new project"
2017-05-31T19:18:56 < englishman> i dont want a project i just want to flash
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2017-05-31T19:19:08 < englishman> stlink doesnt have any of this aids
2017-05-31T19:19:12 < dongs> lolk
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2017-05-31T19:19:21 < englishman> srfs
2017-05-31T19:19:24 < englishman> srs
2017-05-31T19:20:01 < englishman> there isnt even a filter when selecting MCU
2017-05-31T19:20:05 < dongs> there is
2017-05-31T19:20:08 < englishman> so you ahve to scroll through 50000 product lines
2017-05-31T19:20:10 < dongs> try using jlink softawre from this century
2017-05-31T19:20:14 < dongs> oh wait you cant
2017-05-31T19:20:17 < dongs> cuz you got a fuckign clone
2017-05-31T19:20:24 < englishman> 6.10n
2017-05-31T19:20:28 < englishman> Nov 18 2016
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2017-05-31T19:21:07 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/JcQS6Lo.png
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2017-05-31T19:22:02 < dongs> shrug. make that selection once and save a project somewhere. then just change MCU , if you even need to change it.
2017-05-31T19:22:29 < englishman> exactly, shrug
2017-05-31T19:22:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fJhZl3A.png
2017-05-31T19:22:54 < englishman> lol
2017-05-31T19:22:59 < englishman> ok i'll upgrade
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2017-05-31T19:23:51 < invzim> dongs: ahwell, thanks for the datasheet ;)
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2017-05-31T19:25:17 < dongs> ya its still not official manufacturer one cuz 100y is just a taiwan reseller of cheap trash like aidsfruit.
2017-05-31T19:26:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/The-Design-Engineer-Schematic-Who/ LeoTheFreelancer is tring to hire more people to unfail his latest project
2017-05-31T19:26:48 < dongs> (hes the guy who made a mobile phoen PCB with 1206 bypass caps
2017-05-31T19:26:56 < dongs> "madE:
2017-05-31T19:29:18 < dongs> holy shit why am i awake its 1.30am
2017-05-31T19:29:19 < dongs> bbl
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2017-05-31T20:00:20 < karlp> Peter_M: something for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zos6ogP7MnA
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2017-05-31T20:13:31 < englishman> beep qyx
2017-05-31T20:13:49 < englishman> should i put that lil light sensor right on the rest of the board, where it'll be at 90 degrees to the sky
2017-05-31T20:14:01 < englishman> or make a small sub-board so it's pointing directly up
2017-05-31T20:37:55 < qyx> mhm, I would rotate it directly up
2017-05-31T20:38:13 < qyx> otherwise it would not catch all the light during the whole day
2017-05-31T20:38:27 < qyx> even if it was facing towards south
2017-05-31T20:45:18 < Steffanx> Add light pipe
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2017-05-31T20:52:08 < qyx> light pipe with some diffuse cover should work
2017-05-31T20:52:19 < qyx> although it would void any callibraation
2017-05-31T20:55:34 < englishman> yeah
2017-05-31T20:55:39 < englishman> i'll make a small breakout
2017-05-31T20:55:44 < englishman> only 4 signals going to it
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2017-05-31T21:00:19 < qyx> yeah, 4 signals, I was meh when I discovered that the VEML6040 doesn't support more chips on the same i2c bus
2017-05-31T21:01:09 < qyx> I will probably end with i2c bitbanging as I need around ~16 of them
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2017-05-31T21:09:07 < ds2> isn't that the ToF measurement chip?
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2017-05-31T21:10:28 < qyx> no, color sensor
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2017-05-31T21:10:54 < qyx> is there a tof distance measurement sensor chip available yet?
2017-05-31T21:10:55 < qyx> (cheap)
2017-05-31T21:13:22 < ds2> ST has one
2017-05-31T21:13:27 < ds2> Vsomething
2017-05-31T21:16:36 < englishman> for like $10 or something
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2017-05-31T21:24:21 < Steffanx> Use two 1:8 i2c muxes qyx?
2017-05-31T21:26:57 < Thorn> or a cpld
2017-05-31T21:27:17 < Steffanx> or that
2017-05-31T21:27:46 < Steffanx> but a TCA9548A for example is like 1.50 euro.
2017-05-31T21:28:29 < qyx> interesting idea
2017-05-31T21:28:40 < qyx> seems like worth trying
2017-05-31T21:31:01 < Steffanx> And the TCA9548A does that address pins, so you can have them on the same i2c bus ;)
2017-05-31T21:31:14 < Steffanx> or..
2017-05-31T21:31:16 < Steffanx> nevermind
2017-05-31T21:31:18 < Steffanx> i fail.
2017-05-31T21:31:26 < qyx> really?
2017-05-31T21:31:34 < Steffanx> or dont i
2017-05-31T21:31:38 < Steffanx> i confused myself
2017-05-31T21:31:39 < qyx> if it is possible to select no output, it should be ok
2017-05-31T21:31:46 < Steffanx> im really good at that.
2017-05-31T21:33:12 < Steffanx> No, i confused myself by thinking the A0-2 pins were used to select the output, but it's actually the address of the mux.
2017-05-31T21:33:28 < Steffanx> So that's good.
2017-05-31T21:34:38 < Steffanx> And it seesm to be possible to selected no output.
2017-05-31T21:36:55 < Steffanx> I shouldn't use IRC to think out load. Makes me look like ohsix.
2017-05-31T21:37:23 < Steffanx> But it does seem to do what you want qyx. Without the need of sw i2c.
2017-05-31T21:39:18 < Lux> qyx: http://www.st.com/en/imaging-and-photonics-solutions/vl53l0x.html
2017-05-31T21:40:00 < Lux> good for up to like 1-2m depending on how much light there is and the reflective surface
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2017-05-31T22:29:12 < Thorn> are there gpio to spi converters that support spi master mode? e.g. you press a button connected to gpio1 and it sends 0x01 via spi
2017-05-31T22:29:22 < Thorn> inb4 "they are called microcontrollers"
2017-05-31T22:33:17 < englishman> well...
2017-05-31T22:35:00 < invzim> dongs: found it \o/ GLOBAL CONNECTOR TECHNOLOGY MEM2055-00-190-01-A
2017-05-31T22:36:10 < invzim> https://gct.co/files/drawings/mem2055.pdf
2017-05-31T22:36:44 < invzim> so one can put SOMETHING in the bom, but not great as it's obsolete and can only be sourced as a knockoff..
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2017-05-31T22:48:28 < Steffanx> Did ohsix die? He ping timed out and never returned.
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2017-05-31T23:16:29 < englishman> wow, a spamsite, that was also #1 google result, crashed chrome
2017-05-31T23:16:31 < englishman> google is dying
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2017-05-31T23:21:03 < Steffanx> what hwere show, mr englishman
2017-05-31T23:21:29 < BrainDamage> why, the spamsite is likely paying google a lot to be on top
2017-05-31T23:21:38 < BrainDamage> google is likely quite happy for it to be there
2017-05-31T23:22:05 < englishman> hence, dying
2017-05-31T23:24:17 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/QAQAaPC.jpg
2017-05-31T23:25:17 < Steffanx> Hairy much.
2017-05-31T23:35:15 < Steffanx> How's Arrow doing nowadays englishman?
2017-05-31T23:36:58 < englishman> not getting much business from me
2017-05-31T23:37:05 < englishman>  = great
2017-05-31T23:37:32 < Steffanx> :D
2017-05-31T23:38:00 < Steffanx> thats also a way
2017-05-31T23:45:15 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c840028/v840028359/8e3f/Q9RteKYHPqo.jpg
2017-05-31T23:45:45 < englishman> installing lineageOS
2017-05-31T23:46:51 < Steffanx> Are you sure?
2017-05-31T23:48:12 < Steffanx> My phone had this cyanogen mod os. Im kinda glad they did an OTA update to some almost bare android.
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