--- Log opened Thu Jun 01 00:00:34 2017
2017-06-01T00:07:56 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNby-VcR5FI
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2017-06-01T00:12:12 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKa3Z5WVJfbGg2eEU/view?usp=sharing innovatin today
2017-06-01T00:12:50 < kakimir> rubber tube - bond+seal - 1/4" connector pneumatic tool
2017-06-01T00:14:16 < BrainDamage> is this for an hardcore bondage dungeon?
2017-06-01T00:14:26 < BrainDamage> or the next saw movie?
2017-06-01T00:15:28 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-01T00:15:44 < kakimir> bone cutting tools will be placed there
2017-06-01T00:16:11 < kakimir> see behind the bars for window
2017-06-01T00:17:08 < kakimir> but seriusly talking I have a pile of pneumatic tools - in a pile
2017-06-01T00:17:27 < Thorn> https://i1.wp.com/altereddimensions.net/main/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/image-63.png
2017-06-01T00:17:34 < kakimir> then I realized hey - dem all have 1/4 connector
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2017-06-01T00:46:37 < Steffanx> At least you covered the floor properly now kakimir
2017-06-01T00:47:11 < kakimir> I didn't have excuse
2017-06-01T00:47:17 < kakimir> not to
2017-06-01T00:47:23 < kakimir> music for me Steffanx ?
2017-06-01T00:47:40 < Steffanx> nein
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2017-06-01T01:49:15 < kakimir> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066769/ a scifi movie I have not seen
2017-06-01T01:52:55 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qEsqjJAY-k
2017-06-01T02:16:44 < crt> Suck it off
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2017-06-01T02:26:38 < crt> Dr blaxter
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2017-06-01T02:27:07 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-01T02:27:11 < crt> Can you elaborate on the correlation on sonic the hedgehog and autism
2017-06-01T02:32:44 < Laurenceb_> well... there is Chris chan
2017-06-01T02:32:57 < Laurenceb_> correlation does not imply causation
2017-06-01T02:33:09 < Laurenceb_> as I say to the Crapillary refill tiem fanboyz
2017-06-01T02:34:06 < Laurenceb_> when will we be culturally enriched by your UKistan visit?
2017-06-01T02:40:27 < crt> I'm leaving in a few days
2017-06-01T02:42:15 < jadew> Laurenceb_, got any covfefe?
2017-06-01T02:48:05 < Laurenceb_> E N R I C H E D
2017-06-01T02:54:16 < ohsix> hehehehehhehehehhehe
2017-06-01T02:54:37 < ohsix> at teh startup resource fair a bunch of people went, i told everyone where the phat lewtz was
2017-06-01T02:54:46 < ohsix> my friend won one of the drawings for a drone :|
2017-06-01T02:55:02 < ohsix> you don't know being nice is self sabotage until later amirite
2017-06-01T02:56:43 < crt> Fucking smack don't grow on trees
2017-06-01T02:57:00 < crt> You've gotta scam a bastard or two
2017-06-01T02:57:14 < Rob235> wha tis output rate vs bandwidth
2017-06-01T03:03:26 < Laurenceb_> when crt comes to UK http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/544/108/8e3.jpg
2017-06-01T03:04:12 < englishman> android N split screen is pretty cool
2017-06-01T03:05:55 < crt> Guhhhnu slash linucks
2017-06-01T03:06:19 < Laurenceb_> gnu slash octave
2017-06-01T03:06:22 < BrainDamage> android is linux without gnu
2017-06-01T03:06:37 < Laurenceb_> where is your matlab now
2017-06-01T03:06:41 < BrainDamage> <insert joke that's why it's popular>
2017-06-01T03:06:53 < BrainDamage> god damn mosquitoes keep me awake
2017-06-01T03:08:25 < jadew> that's why it's popular
2017-06-01T03:09:28 < englishman> soon android is going to be lunix without lunix, too
2017-06-01T03:10:08 < BrainDamage> yeah, google seems to be rather reticent to upstream patches
2017-06-01T03:10:15 < BrainDamage> it did for a while, then decided to stop
2017-06-01T03:10:45 < jadew> pretty sure google is skynet
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2017-06-01T03:12:07 < jadew> when you have that much coding power, it makes no sense to contribute to opensource
2017-06-01T03:13:06 < BrainDamage> well, it seems they still used the linux kernel because diying their own would've taken too much time and missed the market
2017-06-01T03:13:25 < jadew> yeah, at the begining it made sense
2017-06-01T03:13:48 < BrainDamage> you can't change now
2017-06-01T03:13:58 < BrainDamage> any replcement needs to be api-compatible
2017-06-01T03:14:14 < BrainDamage> might as well go with hurd :J
2017-06-01T03:14:51 < jadew> they'd just have to replace one abstraction layer most likely
2017-06-01T03:15:40 < jadew> I don't know how their code is structured, but if they had that in mind for a year or two, they've probably already moved towards it
2017-06-01T03:16:41 < jadew> (write all new code through an abstraction layer and add the abstraction layer to old code)
2017-06-01T03:17:35 < jadew> then they can write the new system in parallel and when they're happy with it they can just switch
2017-06-01T03:23:28 < branjb> what's up with florida as a parts manufacturer?  lots of robot / multirotor / electronics out of florida.
2017-06-01T03:23:58 < Laurenceb_> ICA toolkit (c) UCL Jill Dando Institute of Crime Science
2017-06-01T03:24:05 < Laurenceb_> you have got to be kidding me
2017-06-01T03:24:40 < Laurenceb_> matlab libraries come from some crazy places
2017-06-01T03:24:58 < englishman> >florica
2017-06-01T03:24:59 < Laurenceb_> maybe it will tell me where Maddie is
2017-06-01T03:25:01 < englishman> >manufacturer
2017-06-01T03:25:02 < englishman> >multirotors
2017-06-01T03:25:03 < englishman> lollll
2017-06-01T03:25:17 < branjb> w/e
2017-06-01T03:25:18 < branjb> resellers
2017-06-01T03:25:27 < englishman> no dude, dumb paul and timmy nilson are china resellers
2017-06-01T03:25:34 < branjb> i'm sure most of them buy china shit and resell it, by why does it seem to be concentrated in FL?
2017-06-01T03:25:39 < englishman> it isnt?
2017-06-01T03:25:46 < englishman> the biggest fpv retailer is in brohio
2017-06-01T03:25:54 < Laurenceb_> cuz my Murican relatives live in Florida
2017-06-01T03:26:06 < Laurenceb_> natural born scammerz
2017-06-01T03:26:13 < branjb> witespy or w/e that site was was out of FL
2017-06-01T03:26:15 < englishman> and disposable income
2017-06-01T03:26:18 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-01T03:26:20 < englishman> dumb paul
2017-06-01T03:26:23 < englishman> aka clonespy
2017-06-01T03:26:24 < branjb> lol
2017-06-01T03:26:30 < branjb> he sold me some shit once
2017-06-01T03:26:38 < englishman> he hardlinked some images from dong's site once
2017-06-01T03:26:42 < branjb> lol
2017-06-01T03:26:45 < englishman> they were promptly replaced with big black cocks
2017-06-01T03:26:59 < branjb> lmao
2017-06-01T03:27:13 < branjb> idk, just seems like whenever i order shit lately it ships out of FL
2017-06-01T03:27:15 < jadew> haha
2017-06-01T03:27:22 < branjb> and takes longer to get here than if i just went straight from china
2017-06-01T03:29:06 < Laurenceb_> DwellingBurglaryInBuckinghamshire.csv
2017-06-01T03:29:14 < Laurenceb_> these guys are serious
2017-06-01T03:31:44 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-06-01T03:32:04 < Laurenceb_> maybe the location of Maddie is hiding somewhere in a methlab csv
2017-06-01T03:32:13 < englishman> who
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2017-06-01T03:33:01 < Laurenceb_> Madeline McCann
2017-06-01T03:33:30 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Madeleine_McCann
2017-06-01T03:33:47 < Laurenceb_> 2003 - raped, battered, and eaten by Mummy and Daddy 2007
2017-06-01T03:33:50 < Laurenceb_> accurate
2017-06-01T03:34:31 < Laurenceb_> they ate her and then tried to make gigabucks out of the whole thing
2017-06-01T03:37:37 < englishman> is that the one who went "missing" at some resort
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2017-06-01T03:45:55 < ohsix> dongs: abusemark stuff is in like every issue of rotor drone magazine in one way or another
2017-06-01T03:46:01 < ohsix> they don't even mention it, it's just in builds
2017-06-01T03:46:10 < ohsix> that's the kewl way to be 'marketed'
2017-06-01T03:47:24 < ohsix> and the ads that are there look like this http://i.imgur.com/2tYdz3y.png
2017-06-01T03:48:12 < ohsix> BrainDamage: fucshia is well positioned for component based software, like, update the microservice tha thas the exploit, not the whole kernel
2017-06-01T03:48:24 < ohsix> and push down the smallest bit of code that is hard to update
2017-06-01T03:49:27 < englishman> o6, spek are well known cloners of a certain nip flight controller
2017-06-01T03:50:54 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/YVkIetM.png
2017-06-01T03:51:04 < ohsix> no doubt
2017-06-01T03:51:56 < ohsix> what do they do for firmware on those englishman?
2017-06-01T03:52:12 < englishman> whatever is popular that week
2017-06-01T03:52:22 < ohsix> they ship them programmed?
2017-06-01T03:52:28 < englishman> of
2017-06-01T03:52:28 < englishman> c
2017-06-01T03:52:34 < ohsix> nice
2017-06-01T03:52:38 < ohsix> huhuh
2017-06-01T03:52:40 < englishman> ?
2017-06-01T03:52:56 < englishman> they always have
2017-06-01T03:53:12 < ohsix> i got a little robot thing i wanna do, if i have to make a pcb for it i'm gonna have dc motor stuff & radio to make small quads with it
2017-06-01T03:53:36 < ohsix> englishman: well, there's the one thing where they ship a default that they're allowed to, then they look the other way when people flash the firmware they want on it
2017-06-01T03:53:50 < englishman> wat
2017-06-01T03:54:06 < ohsix> gotta move computer brb
2017-06-01T03:54:09 < englishman> it's a 1:1 clone why would they give a fuck
2017-06-01T03:54:14 < englishman> anyway firmware is opensores
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2017-06-01T04:23:20 < ohsix> heheh we're in a meeting room with like 10 people, talking on skype with another person
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2017-06-01T04:52:02 < scrotal_bonus> hi
2017-06-01T04:52:21 < scrotal_bonus> sorry for ask in stm32 group, but i have word that efm8bb2 chip is going EOL
2017-06-01T04:52:24 < scrotal_bonus> is that right?
2017-06-01T04:54:12 < englishman> it's already dead to me
2017-06-01T04:56:09 < Peter_M> i dont see any comments about nrnd on EFM8BB22F16G but it's not an stm32 so its a given its nrnd
2017-06-01T04:57:23 < scrotal_bonus> lol
2017-06-01T04:57:23 < scrotal_bonus> ok
2017-06-01T05:04:56 < dongs> invzim: err, thats for full-size SD
2017-06-01T05:05:16 < dongs> hm no
2017-06-01T05:05:20 < dongs> nice
2017-06-01T05:05:37 < dongs> saved
2017-06-01T05:23:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dQ8C6j9.png .. thanks, altidumb
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2017-06-01T05:29:06 < englishman> the new board outline procedure sucks dick
2017-06-01T05:29:11 < dongs> yes
2017-06-01T05:29:12 < englishman> also found some other bug today
2017-06-01T05:29:19 < englishman> raged, and forgot
2017-06-01T05:29:28 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/su65086cqv0z.jpg
2017-06-01T05:29:35 < englishman> oh
2017-06-01T05:29:37 < englishman> hotkeys
2017-06-01T05:29:52 < englishman> some of them only SELECT the item in the popup menu
2017-06-01T05:29:57 < englishman> instead of ACTUALLY DOING THE THING
2017-06-01T05:30:01 < englishman> so you still have to click
2017-06-01T05:30:06 < dongs> they added more entries with same hotkey?
2017-06-01T05:30:09 < dongs> press enter, dont click
2017-06-01T05:30:16 < dongs> that activates it
2017-06-01T05:30:18 < dongs> which menu?
2017-06-01T05:30:20 < englishman> or that
2017-06-01T05:30:26 < englishman> d-d in the 1 screen
2017-06-01T05:30:29 < englishman> to change board outline
2017-06-01T05:30:59 < dongs> ah. lols, i knew that mode existed but Never had a use case for it
2017-06-01T05:31:07 < dongs> i guess now that outline editing is FUKD there's probably a purpose for it
2017-06-01T05:31:18 < dongs> whats raging me is set net color has no hotkey
2017-06-01T05:31:36 < dongs> v->set net colors
2017-06-01T05:31:47 < englishman> inside cutouts are super fucked
2017-06-01T05:31:53 < englishman> like im not going to trace the shit out
2017-06-01T05:32:00 < dongs> thats what I had to do :(
2017-06-01T05:32:02 < englishman> and that almost gets imported from dxf
2017-06-01T05:32:08 < englishman> er, almost always
2017-06-01T05:32:42 < dongs> ya this shit is pretty ragey
2017-06-01T05:32:56 < dongs> apparently keepout shit has been like this for months
2017-06-01T05:32:59 < upgrdman> wtf kind of laptop is this. hope its photoshop'd  https://i.imgur.com/0iPLsuG.jpg
2017-06-01T05:33:02 < dongs> then tehy finalyl disabled the 'draw on keepout' shit
2017-06-01T05:33:19 < Peter_M> could be worse, could be using kicad, want to set net colours and end up writing whole new eda package.
2017-06-01T05:33:35 < dongs> in kikecad, there's only one net color
2017-06-01T05:33:39 < dongs> disgusting dark green on black
2017-06-01T05:33:49 < Peter_M> >thats the joke
2017-06-01T05:34:39 < englishman> yeah keepout is a 2nd class layer now
2017-06-01T05:34:43 < englishman> racists
2017-06-01T05:34:47 < dongs> upgrdman: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418531,00.asp
2017-06-01T05:35:09 < englishman> but you still need to turn edge into keepout, to have drc work properly
2017-06-01T05:35:15 < englishman> so. gay.
2017-06-01T05:35:26 < upgrdman> dongs, lol, its real? i wonder if anyone wants it
2017-06-01T05:35:52 < dongs> upgrdman: apparently the screen has some special hinge shit
2017-06-01T05:35:57 < dongs> that slides forward, i dont know
2017-06-01T05:36:02 < upgrdman> o
2017-06-01T05:36:07 < dongs> looks gay , trackpads on laptops are fucking garbage anyhow
2017-06-01T05:36:21 < dongs> like, a required laptop purchase is logitech mx2
2017-06-01T05:36:37 < dongs> all that faggot multifagtouch shit that you CANT FUCKING DISABLE on touchpads
2017-06-01T05:36:39 < dongs> fuck offfffffffffffff
2017-06-01T05:38:31 < Peter_M> question, why dont wireless computer mice come with inductive charging mousepads, shit would be 10/10
2017-06-01T05:38:47 < dongs> probably dont wanna cook your wrist
2017-06-01T05:39:04 < Peter_M> i dont think thats an issue
2017-06-01T05:41:11 < upgrdman> nice slip-n-slide  https://i.redd.it/az0nx159fx0z.jpg
2017-06-01T05:41:36 < Peter_M> i legit think that would be a good idea tho, i mean, wireless, and never flat
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2017-06-01T05:43:36 < upgrdman> Peter_M, iirc ThinkGeek had a Qi mouse pad
2017-06-01T05:43:41 < upgrdman> but like why
2017-06-01T05:43:54 < upgrdman> when a logitech wireless mouse lasts >2yrs on a pair of AAs
2017-06-01T05:44:00 < upgrdman> like really >2yrs, not just rated.
2017-06-01T05:44:13 < dongs> MX2 is just chargeable with a standard microusb
2017-06-01T05:44:21 < dongs> and you can still use it while charging, looks like a corded mouse
2017-06-01T05:44:24 < dongs> works4me
2017-06-01T05:45:33 < englishman> whats a mousepad
2017-06-01T05:46:09 < Peter_M> englishman the dedicated place on your workbench where you dotn cover it with shit
2017-06-01T05:46:29 < Peter_M> everwhere else is fairgame though
2017-06-01T05:48:08 < englishman> how is city life, pee term
2017-06-01T05:48:55 < Peter_M> pretty good, i order stuff and it actually arrives in the estimated delivery time
2017-06-01T05:50:40 < englishman> crazy!
2017-06-01T05:50:51 < Peter_M> i know right
2017-06-01T05:51:10 < Peter_M> somehow my internet got worse though
2017-06-01T05:56:51 < upgrdman> https://twitter.com/christrimble/status/869392741645418496
2017-06-01T05:58:40 < dongs> lol @ gpu designers
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2017-06-01T06:43:27 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Comisar haha
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2017-06-01T07:02:13 < dongs> https://imgur.com/a/iInwS
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2017-06-01T07:53:54 < dongs> https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77c981f304393598a7453d0ae6838d841811d9d84dd4e42fe0cce689bd470d11.jpg
2017-06-01T08:04:54 < emeb_mac> schrodingers food?
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2017-06-01T08:46:47 < ohsix_> bah got a dumb ip address
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2017-06-01T08:49:16 < ohsix> Thorn: remind me what it was for?
2017-06-01T08:49:23 < crt> pleaes
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2017-06-01T08:53:56 < dongs> faggot.PROTECTION
2017-06-01T08:53:57 < dongs> 3670.00€/year
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2017-06-01T09:11:31 < Cerpin> Are there peripheral definitions or anything of the like floating around for the stm32f4? I'm trying to write something for a board using gcc-arm-none-eabi and can't find much, though I've found a lot of guides on how to program it with xyz HAL, people having compiler issues, etc
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2017-06-01T09:12:40 < Cerpin> i.e. a bunch of defines for address -> peripheral mnemonic, special registers, that kind of thing. Not sure how best to phrase
2017-06-01T09:14:12 < qyx> most of the HALs have those
2017-06-01T09:14:20 < qyx> also check libopencm3
2017-06-01T09:16:11 < Cerpin> Will do
2017-06-01T09:18:54 < Cerpin> Yeah, this seems to be basically what I was looking for, I'll give it a shot
2017-06-01T09:18:58 < Cerpin> Thanks much
2017-06-01T09:32:37 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/cvmtZGY.jpg
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2017-06-01T11:02:53 < jpa-> Cerpin: take stm32f4xx.h from somewhere
2017-06-01T11:04:01 < dongs> why from 'somewhere'?
2017-06-01T11:04:04 < dongs> why not take from stdperiphlib
2017-06-01T11:04:45 < jpa-> easier to find random github by google than to use st site
2017-06-01T11:04:54 < jpa-> https://github.com/espruino/Espruino/blob/master/targetlibs/stm32f4/lib/stm32f407xx.h
2017-06-01T11:05:11 < dongs> lkewl
2017-06-01T11:05:30 < dongs> yeah see, thats a perfect example of why NOT do that
2017-06-01T11:05:35 < dongs> thats an ancient header
2017-06-01T11:05:45 < jpa-> yep :)
2017-06-01T11:06:03 < dongs>   * @version V1.8.0
2017-06-01T11:06:03 < dongs>   * @date    09-November-2016
2017-06-01T11:06:03 < dongs>   * @brief   CMSIS Cortex-M4 Device Peripheral Access Layer Header File.
2017-06-01T11:06:07 < dongs> ^ current
2017-06-01T11:09:35 < zyp> I'm with dongs here
2017-06-01T11:10:03 < zyp> if you're gonna use some shit, at least get the latest from the official source, not some random old copy
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2017-06-01T11:45:10 < dongs> i think failspruno also renamed their shit
2017-06-01T11:45:16 < dongs> i ve never seen it called f407.xx
2017-06-01T11:45:27 < dongs> its always been stm32f4xx.h or wahtever, for entire series
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2017-06-01T13:10:16 < karlp> https://www.crowdsupply.com/era-instruments/erasynth
2017-06-01T13:10:24 < Thorn> CRS-11 Launch Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrhuRpzHxZo
2017-06-01T13:10:36 < dongs> 11 hours?!
2017-06-01T13:10:56 < Thorn> just 11 hours
2017-06-01T13:11:19 < crt> What is
2017-06-01T13:11:47 < ohsix> karlp: nice, what's the point of the wifi tho, besides having no other ui olol
2017-06-01T13:12:07 < Thorn> ohsix: what was what for?
2017-06-01T13:12:59 < ohsix> half the price is in the case machining ;D
2017-06-01T13:14:07 < ohsix> also dual loop pll wut
2017-06-01T13:15:37 < ohsix> ah ib spurs, new2me
2017-06-01T13:15:52 < Steffanx> And arduino included \o/
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2017-06-01T13:16:23 < Steffanx> Welcome LeelooMinai_
2017-06-01T13:16:31 < Steffanx> Long time no see
2017-06-01T13:17:09 < ohsix> oh boy
2017-06-01T13:19:50 < crt> Sup mate
2017-06-01T13:33:51 < ohsix> dang haha, bunch of stuff happened in the few hours i didn't have internets
2017-06-01T13:44:15 < dongs> lol
2017-06-01T13:59:24 < dongs> ok so convert selected primitives to keepouts doesnt work
2017-06-01T13:59:25 < dongs> wat do
2017-06-01T13:59:28 < dongs> fucking altidumb
2017-06-01T14:10:13 < zyp> what are you trying to do?
2017-06-01T14:11:01 < dongs> trying to use the new 17.1 shit
2017-06-01T14:11:03 < dongs> its fucked
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2017-06-01T14:37:14 < Steffanx> You should apply for Altium test engineer dongs
2017-06-01T14:37:37 < dongs> i think you misspelled 'autism'
2017-06-01T14:38:21 < Steffanx> Autism cannot be detected with autism.
2017-06-01T14:41:50 < dongs> sadly
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2017-06-01T14:58:48 < dongs> tabbing traces on keepout is broken  again too
2017-06-01T15:14:55 < dongs> on ffc, bottom to bottom connector, the cable will be copper on opposite sides right?
2017-06-01T15:16:09 < zyp> depends if you have signals numbered the same or mirrored on the connector
2017-06-01T15:16:15 < dongs> same ? i guess
2017-06-01T15:16:47 < zyp> then yes
2017-06-01T15:17:28 < zyp> if you want 1:1 connector numbering, you either have to have a top/bottom cable or opposite connectors
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2017-06-01T15:17:44 < dongs> ok
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2017-06-01T15:18:15 < dongs> what a time we live in.. making a shim flexipcb to unfuck something instead of spinning a new pcb beacuse its CHEAPER
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2017-06-01T15:23:15 < zyp> haha
2017-06-01T15:23:32 < zyp> were you saying that 4L flex is fairly cheap, btw?
2017-06-01T15:23:40 < dongs> well 2L certainly is
2017-06-01T15:23:44 < dongs> i ahvent found a reason to try 4L yet
2017-06-01T15:37:35 < karlp> heh. upgrade to latest ngspice and they've removed zener
2017-06-01T15:37:36 < karlp> unknown model type zener - ignored
2017-06-01T15:37:37 < karlp> fantastic.
2017-06-01T15:37:55 < dongs> lunix software ver 0.1-alpha1337
2017-06-01T15:38:02 < dongs> they're following the GNOME principle
2017-06-01T15:38:06 < karlp> nah, this is old unix greybeard software
2017-06-01T15:38:09 < dongs> remove all stuff to make things better
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2017-06-01T15:50:17 < zyp> dongs, well, you were joking about "do it on FPC" when we talked about allwinner a few weeks ago
2017-06-01T15:50:28 < dongs> mhm
2017-06-01T15:51:13 < zyp> so I'm curious how that would compare in practice to 4L rigid + FFC and connector
2017-06-01T15:51:40 < dongs> that'd be.. intersting
2017-06-01T15:51:47 < dongs> and as a bonus, you could plug it into some .. FPC connectors
2017-06-01T15:51:57 < dongs> i have no idea how you'd do double-sided assembly on flexipcb tho
2017-06-01T15:52:03 < dongs> i certainly wouldn't even try
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2017-06-01T15:54:16 < karlp> --enable-xspice required to get actually useful spice.
2017-06-01T15:54:19 < karlp> helpful.
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2017-06-01T15:57:49 < zyp> dongs, okay, so mostly joke then
2017-06-01T15:59:52 < dongs> donno man, i think single-sided it might work
2017-06-01T16:02:06 < Laurenceb_> All the racism in this channel has made me hungry
2017-06-01T16:02:11 < Laurenceb_> time to order a curry
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2017-06-01T16:12:46 < dongs> not sure how you'd stencilprint to a fpc
2017-06-01T16:12:51 < dongs> double-tape it to something?
2017-06-01T16:13:58 < zyp> well, the part where you mount parts would have a rigid backing
2017-06-01T16:14:04 < dongs> http://www.smtnet.com/Forums/index.cfm?fuseaction=view_thread&CFApp=1&Thread_ID=16221&#Message66360 oh
2017-06-01T16:14:11 < dongs> zyp, nah doenst ahve to be
2017-06-01T16:14:42 < zyp> for complex chips I'm sure you'd want to
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2017-06-01T16:39:36 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/68oX32Y.jpg
2017-06-01T16:40:04 < dongs> haha..
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2017-06-01T16:44:44 < Thorn> osx + mbed compatible st-link = "disk not ejected properly" all the time
2017-06-01T16:44:59 < englishman> hp bought sgi and is down 5%
2017-06-01T16:45:08 < ReadErr> cant u flash old firmware ?
2017-06-01T16:45:10 < dongs> SGI was still around to buy?
2017-06-01T16:45:14 < englishman> yep
2017-06-01T16:45:16 < ReadErr> w/o the storage enumeration ?
2017-06-01T16:45:25 < englishman> not that much $ tho
2017-06-01T16:45:29 < englishman> considering it's sgi
2017-06-01T16:46:23 < Thorn> maybe I can, not sure
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2017-06-01T17:37:19 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redd.it/wihoypvcb01z.gif
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2017-06-01T17:42:54 < sklv> Laurenceb_: funny but fake :(
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2017-06-01T18:29:07 < Rob235_> why does the mag of the mpu9250 have the option of 14bit or 16bit resolution? why would you choose 14 bit?
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2017-06-01T18:33:47 < fest> lower power consumption/higher update rate maybe?
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2017-06-01T18:35:52 < fest> or, maybe for compatibility with older drivers
2017-06-01T18:37:23 < Rob235_> update rate isnt different, dunno about power
2017-06-01T18:39:44 < karlp> probably compatibility with older parts.
2017-06-01T18:39:54 < karlp> (where there _was_ a difference in timing or power)
2017-06-01T18:42:04 < Streake_> Less noise
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2017-06-01T19:09:35 < Rob235_> hmm I guess the best way to read the mag is set a timer to interrupt at 100 hz? there is a data ready bit in a register but no interrupt
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2017-06-01T19:19:54 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rjSGRrntfo
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2017-06-01T19:25:03 < Rob235_> the mpu9250 has a register called I2C MASTER CONTROL that lets you set the I2C CLOCK.  is this only if you use i2c multi master mode? or do you need to set this even if you use i2c passthrough mode
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2017-06-01T21:02:38 < hetii> Hello :)
2017-06-01T21:04:28 < hetii> I use STM32F030F4P6, Is it possible to pass data from usart into spi? and also be able to process data in main loop or switch mode from dma to interrupt and then do something in main loop with those data?
2017-06-01T21:05:12 < hetii> so for eg, when send some magic sequence to uart I want to toggle dma/normal mode
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2017-06-01T21:21:27 < zyp> hetii, I think only the P-port on the DMA engine has access to the APB-buses
2017-06-01T21:21:57 < zyp> i.e. only the P-port can transfer to/from usart and spi
2017-06-01T21:22:08 < zyp> and transfers are always from M to P or P to M
2017-06-01T21:23:07 < hetii> In datasheet stand: Peripheral-to-memory and memory-to-peripheral, and peripheral-to-peripheral
2017-06-01T21:23:07 < hetii> transfers
2017-06-01T21:23:47 < hetii> and in my stm USART and SPI is on port A
2017-06-01T21:25:57 < zyp> oh, F0 DMA seems to have a single master port
2017-06-01T21:26:08 < zyp> the larger chips have two ports, hence P and M
2017-06-01T21:26:59 < zyp> so yes, you can actually do peripheral to peripheral
2017-06-01T21:27:50 < hetii> so general I have such code: https://pastebin.com/XumAQDr5
2017-06-01T21:28:24 < hetii> I`m able to use spi and tim3 to drive ws2812b, data are send by spi interface,
2017-06-01T21:28:52 < hetii> now I need to set dma to get data from usart to spi, so without cpu usage
2017-06-01T21:30:08 < zyp> wat
2017-06-01T21:30:14 < hetii> As I just reading datasheet, I plan use dma channel 3.
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2017-06-01T21:31:50 < hetii> zyp: what wat ?:)
2017-06-01T21:32:16 < zyp> you're using spi for ws2812b?
2017-06-01T21:33:07 < zyp> I don't understand your code, that does not look like ws2812b to me
2017-06-01T21:33:54 < hetii> zyp: not I :) the idea is shown in this thread: http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3280019.html
2017-06-01T21:34:25 < hetii> zyp: look at circuit, the ws2812b is driven by PB1
2017-06-01T21:36:10 < hetii> zyp: CLK signal from SPI run timer and then dma copy data from port F into timer counter.
2017-06-01T21:36:32 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-06-01T21:36:37 < zyp> right
2017-06-01T21:36:51 < hetii> so at the end of the day you have fully hardware driver for ws2812b
2017-06-01T21:37:51 < hetii> so this part works fine, now I need fo figure  how instead used spiTx() push data directly form usart
2017-06-01T21:38:00 < zyp> yeah, that's kinda elegant, I've just been making the dma buffer by hand
2017-06-01T21:41:40 < zyp> but yeah, you should be able to set up a dma job, transfer from uart data register to spi data register, trigger on uart rx
2017-06-01T21:43:31 < hetii> ok but is it possible to to inform stm that when he receive some sequence of data then should not use dma mode and process data in regular way?
2017-06-01T21:43:50 < zyp> that sounds harder
2017-06-01T21:43:59 < zyp> I would make an explicit mode switch
2017-06-01T21:44:06 < hetii> the point is that I will not send data via uart just for ws2812b
2017-06-01T21:44:13 < zyp> say you normally handle uart data in code
2017-06-01T21:44:20 < hetii> but also other to control other stuff by this mcu.
2017-06-01T21:44:30 < zyp> then you can have one command saying «here comes N bytes of RGB data»
2017-06-01T21:44:53 < zyp> and then you set up a DMA job for N bytes, turn off the ISR and start the DMA job
2017-06-01T21:45:08 < zyp> once the DMA job completes, you reenable the ISR for normal handling
2017-06-01T21:46:02 < hetii> hmm I will send data from ambilight software so it will be continuous data stream.
2017-06-01T21:46:23 < zyp> you don't control the host software?
2017-06-01T21:47:21 < hetii> well, currently not but I plan to dig also in their source codes so at the end of the day I should be able to send also other type of data.
2017-06-01T21:47:46 < zyp> then I don't know
2017-06-01T21:48:40 < hetii> ok so maybe there is a way to detect some pause in data flow?
2017-06-01T21:48:40 < zyp> if you have both the DMA and the ISR enabled, I'm guessing the DMA will clear the RXNE flag before you have a chance to handle it in software
2017-06-01T21:49:21 < zyp> well, you could poll the DMA state periodically to see if it has stopped doing anything
2017-06-01T21:49:42 < zyp> or you could possibly detect break frames
2017-06-01T21:49:57 < hetii> ok then we are at home :)
2017-06-01T21:50:56 < hetii> ok but before I start improve this idea first need to read more about DMA itself, I didn`t use it before
2017-06-01T21:51:17 < hetii> so have no clue yet how to start;(
2017-06-01T21:51:41 < zyp> haha, good luck then :)
2017-06-01T21:52:08 < hetii> thx :)
2017-06-01T22:05:59 < Thorn> how do I current probe cheap
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2017-06-01T22:27:47 < hetii> zyp: ok I read more about dma, but wonder about two things, when I set as a source channel usart register, how this stand to dma buffer size? It should be set just for one byte or size of destination buffer?
2017-06-01T22:28:23 < zyp> hmm?
2017-06-01T22:28:34 < hetii> what about things like parity bit or uart in that is configured in 5bit mode?
2017-06-01T22:29:16 < zyp> you probably want to do configure both sizes to 8 bit, and set up the job as a circular transfer without any increment
2017-06-01T22:30:45 < hetii> ok, but this should work when we have two 8 register, but what in case if I will use uart with parity bit, As I read somwhere in usart library, when parity bit is set with 8 bit data, then
2017-06-01T22:31:08 < hetii> the last bit is used for parity
2017-06-01T22:31:42 < zyp> as far as I know, that won't make it into the data register
2017-06-01T22:32:58 < hetii> ok will need to investigate more.
2017-06-01T22:33:23 < hetii> btw I think that the size can be configured in bytes not bits?
2017-06-01T22:33:24 < hetii> or?
2017-06-01T22:33:57 < zyp> size of the dma job itself doesn't matter since it'll be circular and nonincrementing
2017-06-01T22:34:49 < hetii> ok but just ask to know, in case of other scenarios
2017-06-01T22:35:50 < hetii> seams that one byte is the smallest amount of data that can be configured.
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2017-06-01T22:39:17 < rajkosto> hi i have an old maple leaf
2017-06-01T22:39:27 < rajkosto> whats best IDE for it for just raw C, i just want to make a HID device
2017-06-01T22:39:54 < zyp> vim
2017-06-01T22:40:08 < rajkosto> i meant toolchain and whatever
2017-06-01T22:40:13 < zyp> gcc
2017-06-01T22:40:27 < rajkosto> CubeMX seems to be what people use to configure the gpio and USB
2017-06-01T22:40:30 < zyp> well, if dongs were awake, he'd say keil
2017-06-01T22:40:37 < rajkosto> i have no problem with keil
2017-06-01T22:40:49 < rajkosto> and the evaluation will fit my chip (32KB)
2017-06-01T22:41:34 < zyp> if you're already familiar and comfortable with keil, you've already got your answer, no?
2017-06-01T22:41:42 < rajkosto> ive only used it for 8051
2017-06-01T22:42:06 < rajkosto> what my question actually was, latest libs and "OS"
2017-06-01T22:42:44 < zyp> well, cubemx is the newest vendor-provided libs
2017-06-01T22:43:06 < rajkosto> its a STM32F103
2017-06-01T22:43:19 < zyp> and then there's a bunch of third party alternatives, I'd recommend libopencm3 if you were a linux guy
2017-06-01T22:43:43 < rajkosto> i kinda hate eclipse CDT but i use it for my other ARM stuff
2017-06-01T22:44:31 < zyp> I use vim and gcc, I have no patience for IDE bullshit
2017-06-01T22:44:39 < rajkosto> i just need to read data via SPI and send HID report every 1ms
2017-06-01T22:44:49 < zyp> but you do whatever you're comfortable with
2017-06-01T22:45:16 < rajkosto> its not a huge project
2017-06-01T22:45:31 < Steffanx> laks? :P
2017-06-01T22:45:49 < Steffanx> oh, you said c
2017-06-01T22:45:51 < zyp> yeah, laks would do that in line 80-lines ish, I guess
2017-06-01T22:45:54 < zyp> but he said C
2017-06-01T22:46:01 < zyp> like*
2017-06-01T22:46:21 < zyp> and I don't go pushing that on random people :)
2017-06-01T22:46:30 < Steffanx> Heh.
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2017-06-01T22:47:51 < zyp> laks is pretty rough around the edges
2017-06-01T22:48:07 < zyp> it works pretty well for what I need it to do, but it doesn't do so much more :)
2017-06-01T22:48:13 < BrainDamage> so it's edgy?
2017-06-01T22:48:28 < Steffanx> Cutting edge.
2017-06-01T22:49:11 < zyp> so far I think karlp is the only one except me that has tried to use it for anything, and apparently he didn't have the best success
2017-06-01T22:49:17 < Steffanx> i actually used it.
2017-06-01T22:49:21 < Steffanx> but that was ages ago.
2017-06-01T22:49:40 < Steffanx> for some low power motion/temperure sensor.
2017-06-01T22:49:44 < zyp> oh, cool
2017-06-01T22:49:45 < Steffanx> even used th usb part.
2017-06-01T22:49:51 < Steffanx> the
2017-06-01T22:50:05 < zyp> I recall you were playing around with something, but I don't remember you actually got anywhere with that
2017-06-01T22:50:42 < Steffanx> I did, but the server part stopped once in a while ( i guess usb issues on the rpi side) and i stopped using it.
2017-06-01T22:50:57 < zyp> aww
2017-06-01T22:52:00 < Thorn> live feed of nothing going on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW-Zi8ydGFM
2017-06-01T22:52:16 < zyp> nice
2017-06-01T22:52:31 < zyp> love the mouse pointer
2017-06-01T22:53:05 < Steffanx> lol
2017-06-01T22:53:09 < zyp> fuck off with the live chat
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2017-06-01T22:53:44 < Thorn> there is a hide chat button
2017-06-01T22:53:53 < rajkosto> does cubeMX work with custom boards and not just discoverty stuff ?
2017-06-01T22:54:06 < zyp> nah, I hit the close tab button
2017-06-01T22:54:13 < rajkosto> cool XSplit watermark
2017-06-01T22:54:17 < zyp> I'll be in bed by the time the countdown reaches zero anyway
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2017-06-01T22:54:31 < zyp> rajkosto, sure
2017-06-01T22:54:57 < rajkosto> the stm32cube overview presentation is frekaing me out with the text to speeck ?!
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2017-06-01T23:20:27 < englishman> damn allpcb quoting 24hr turnaround for $5 2L pcbs
2017-06-01T23:23:40 < rajkosto> but how reliable
2017-06-01T23:26:19 < englishman> ?
2017-06-01T23:26:46 < englishman> as in the 24hr quote or overall pcb quality
2017-06-01T23:30:41 < rajkosto> speed and quality
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2017-06-01T23:31:24 < englishman> yes
2017-06-01T23:33:10 < Steffanx> no
2017-06-01T23:33:34 < englishman> steffy
2017-06-01T23:33:35 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rjSGRrntfo
2017-06-01T23:34:17 < rajkosto> "fuckin"
2017-06-01T23:35:17 < Steffanx> Yes i saw your chicks.. they are hot.
2017-06-01T23:35:23 < Steffanx> red light district.
2017-06-01T23:35:40 < englishman> chick meat
2017-06-01T23:36:07 < Steffanx> not as good as goose.
2017-06-01T23:36:51 < rajkosto> englishman, what does the "fuckin" mean in your tantalum vid
2017-06-01T23:37:26 < englishman> it is an expletive of frustration at the failure of my capacitor
2017-06-01T23:37:57 < englishman> are you really serbian
2017-06-01T23:38:25 < rajkosto> why did it fail ? seems like you hooked it up just to explode it
2017-06-01T23:38:38 < rajkosto> are you really english ?
2017-06-01T23:38:48 < englishman> that one had a bit too much dc yes
2017-06-01T23:38:55 < englishman> but others overheated due to ac
2017-06-01T23:41:28 < Steffanx> what tantalum vid did mr englishman post?
2017-06-01T23:43:12 < Steffanx> oh, old vid.
2017-06-01T23:43:28 < kakimir> hello S&M workshop
2017-06-01T23:43:29 < Steffanx> someone is stalking.
2017-06-01T23:44:27 < englishman> i would like to go to serbia
2017-06-01T23:44:30 < uniqdom> Hello I have generated a HAL for stm32f051k8 using STM32Cubemx. Now, I'm doing a code in CoIDE (Coocox) to transmit a single byte using the HAL_UART_TRANSMIT() function, but it is not working as I'm not receiving anything in the other end (an FTDI attached to my computer).
2017-06-01T23:44:59 < kakimir> englishman: why?
2017-06-01T23:45:19 < uniqdom> https://pastebin.com/t7tgVQ5k This is my main.c file, and my code starts at line 138
2017-06-01T23:46:10 < uniqdom> forget the printf() that you will see there, as that is my final goal, to use the printf to write over the serial.
2017-06-01T23:47:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTjl3UTRQVE1SWkk/view?usp=sharing figuring out dem permanent issues with lack of storagespace
2017-06-01T23:48:11 < kakimir> make a lot of little roofs
2017-06-01T23:49:20 < kakimir> that one will have a curtain too
2017-06-01T23:49:42 < Steffanx> Will go give it a better paint job?
2017-06-01T23:50:52 < kakimir> i wont
2017-06-01T23:51:10 < kakimir> even white endboards are overkilling
2017-06-01T23:51:17 < kakimir> or endboards even
2017-06-01T23:51:43 < kakimir> it's uglee
2017-06-01T23:51:54 < kakimir> but I wont pay a dime
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2017-06-01T23:54:41 < kakimir> some shopdirt and grease will give it good color over time
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2017-06-02T00:28:29 < uniqdom> I have double checked and both devices are running at the same baud rate
2017-06-02T00:30:16 < uniqdom> the code is calling MX_USART1_UART_Init() and then is calling HAL_UART_Transmit().
2017-06-02T00:30:27 < uniqdom> what could I be missing?
2017-06-02T00:31:07 < uniqdom> RX from one device is connected to TX in the other device
2017-06-02T00:31:22 < uniqdom> 9600 8N1 in both ends.
2017-06-02T00:32:27 < kakimir> have you guise played with ethernet uart?
2017-06-02T00:32:47 < ohsix> the enj thing from microchip?
2017-06-02T00:40:39 < Thorn> uniqdom: so does your mcu actually output some kind of signal on the tx pin?
2017-06-02T00:40:49 < Thorn> (I guess not)
2017-06-02T00:41:11 < Thorn> (but it doesn't hurt to check)
2017-06-02T00:45:21 < uniqdom> I will check that with a logic analyzer
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2017-06-02T00:52:26 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBMavfBUAAAfxUt.jpg:large
2017-06-02T00:52:28 < ohsix> hehhehehueheuhr
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2017-06-02T00:55:21 < uniqdom> Thorn: It was working.
2017-06-02T00:55:37 < uniqdom> thanks... my FTDI might be damaged.
2017-06-02T00:55:39 < uniqdom> thanks
2017-06-02T00:56:17 < kOStiX> hey guys, so who's got some experience with FatFs?
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2017-06-02T01:14:02 < kakimir> half of the channel
2017-06-02T01:14:18 < kakimir> just start asking
2017-06-02T01:14:22 < kOStiX> haha ok
2017-06-02T01:14:39 < kOStiX> well thing is i have an array of structures and i wanna write it to a file with f_write
2017-06-02T01:14:55 < kOStiX> f_write(&Settings, (void const *)preset, sizeof(preset), (void *)&byteswritten);
2017-06-02T01:15:03 < kOStiX> this only writes a singly byte to the file
2017-06-02T01:15:07 < kOStiX> single
2017-06-02T01:15:20 < kOStiX> i wonder how its properly done
2017-06-02T01:15:41 < kOStiX> normal fwrite() style wont work on this
2017-06-02T01:16:40 < kOStiX> sizeof(preset) is 10240
2017-06-02T01:17:57 < kOStiX> how would this be done correctly?
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2017-06-02T01:40:12 < ohsix> kOStiX: take my knobs!!11
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2017-06-02T01:42:42 < kOStiX> ohsix: you selling some knobs?
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2017-06-02T01:45:14 < kOStiX> how many and how much?
2017-06-02T01:53:52 < rajkosto> kOStiX, tried to set byteswritten to wanted size ?
2017-06-02T01:54:53 < kOStiX> pre-set the byteswritten to sizeof(preset) ?
2017-06-02T01:54:53 < rajkosto> kOStiX, you sure that sizeof preset is 10240 ?
2017-06-02T01:54:58 < rajkosto> then try &preset as 2nd param
2017-06-02T01:55:01 < rajkosto> is preset a pointer or not ?
2017-06-02T01:55:05 < kOStiX> thats what debugger shows me on the live watch
2017-06-02T01:55:18 < rajkosto> if its nto a pointer then you need to pass &preset as the data, obviously
2017-06-02T01:55:24 < kOStiX> preset is a structure
2017-06-02T01:55:28 < rajkosto> then you dont even need a cast.
2017-06-02T01:55:31 < kOStiX> array of structures
2017-06-02T01:55:34 < rajkosto> you shouldnt need any cast.
2017-06-02T01:55:40 < kOStiX> struct PRESET preset[128]
2017-06-02T01:55:57 < kOStiX> compiler throws error without the (void const *)
2017-06-02T01:55:59 < rajkosto> ok then it decays into a pointer, nvm
2017-06-02T01:56:15 < rajkosto> is it a global or local ?
2017-06-02T01:56:20 < kOStiX> its global
2017-06-02T01:56:53 < rajkosto> try manual size instead of sizeof
2017-06-02T01:57:00 < rajkosto> just type in 10240
2017-06-02T01:57:03 < kOStiX> yep i tried, no effect
2017-06-02T01:57:17 < rajkosto> Settings is a FIL ?
2017-06-02T01:58:03 < kOStiX> if i do this  f_write(&Settings, (void const *)preset, 10240, (void *)&byteswritten);    byteswritten stays 0 after its executed
2017-06-02T01:58:16 < kOStiX> yeah its a FIL
2017-06-02T01:58:19 < kOStiX> also global
2017-06-02T01:58:23 < rajkosto> ok, assign f_write result to something and then read it back to see what errored out
2017-06-02T01:58:42 < kOStiX> ok
2017-06-02T01:59:26 < kOStiX> its gotta be an FRESULT?
2017-06-02T02:01:20 < kOStiX> FR_DISK_ERR
2017-06-02T02:02:28 < rajkosto> can you read the same file ? with the same Settings
2017-06-02T02:02:33 < kOStiX> f_write(&Settings, "write this text", 15, (void *)&byteswritten);
2017-06-02T02:02:37 < kOStiX> this works tho
2017-06-02T02:02:51 < rajkosto> maybe the size is too large ?
2017-06-02T02:03:06 < kOStiX> well the written file is 0 size
2017-06-02T02:03:17 < rajkosto> try writing only one preset
2017-06-02T02:03:18 < kOStiX> card is big enough
2017-06-02T02:03:42 < rajkosto> so same preset, but write only 80 bytes
2017-06-02T02:03:49 < kOStiX> ok
2017-06-02T02:05:05 < kOStiX> yes this way 80 bytes are written effectively
2017-06-02T02:05:24 < kOStiX> so i should call f_write 128 times?
2017-06-02T02:05:29 < rajkosto> now do for (int i=0; i<128; i++) f_write(&Settings, (void const *)&preset[i], 80, (void *)&byteswritten);
2017-06-02T02:05:42 < kOStiX> cool
2017-06-02T02:06:10 < kOStiX> Error[Pe142]: expression must have pointer-to-object type
2017-06-02T02:06:12 < rajkosto> theres probably an internal limit for max size per write
2017-06-02T02:06:36 < kOStiX> i see
2017-06-02T02:13:23 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/USX2YmA.jpg
2017-06-02T02:13:41 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: see that i. and .jpg
2017-06-02T02:14:22 < kakimir> that is how you post imgur shittes
2017-06-02T02:18:21 < kOStiX> rajkosto: that  (void const *)&preset[i]  throws an expression must have pointer to object type error
2017-06-02T02:18:32 < rajkosto> do (preset + i) then
2017-06-02T02:18:49 < rajkosto> it should work if its what you say it is (array of structs), and you have included the struct declaration in that file
2017-06-02T02:18:58 < kOStiX> yep
2017-06-02T02:20:48 < kOStiX> this way 0 bytes written
2017-06-02T02:22:00 < rajkosto> something's wrong with your struct then
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2017-06-02T02:26:48 < kOStiX> https://pastebin.com/m1Bng6H6
2017-06-02T02:26:52 < kOStiX> thats basically the structure
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2017-06-02T02:28:16 < rajkosto> i dont like how structures dont make typenames in C so i do typedef struct { ... } TypeName; so i dont have to type struct before ite very time
2017-06-02T02:28:17 < rajkosto> try that
2017-06-02T02:30:43 < Rob235_> are there any smaller ultrasonic sensors than the hc-sr05/6 that are still relatively cheap
2017-06-02T02:31:46 < kOStiX> oks thanks for the pointers man!
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2017-06-02T02:50:35 < Rob235_> my computer has been encoding video files for 6 days and 3 hours straight... Why did I let it go on this long
2017-06-02T02:51:28 < Laurenceb_> video coding is a massive pita
2017-06-02T02:51:40 < rajkosto> you obviously have a lot of videos to encode so why not let it
2017-06-02T02:51:41 < Laurenceb_> I dont get how youtube vloggers liver
2017-06-02T02:52:03 < rajkosto> you think they care ?
2017-06-02T02:52:13 < rajkosto> they just upload whatever they have and let youtube convert it
2017-06-02T02:52:27 < Laurenceb_> explains the shit editing
2017-06-02T02:52:30 < Rob235_> I just realized its only gonna save me 3GB by the time it finishes, I'm cancelling it...
2017-06-02T02:52:32 < rajkosto> hahaaa editing
2017-06-02T02:52:39 < Rob235_> what a waste
2017-06-02T02:52:53 < rajkosto> youtube said it doesnt care about editing the second they allowed direct-from-webcam uploads
2017-06-02T02:55:46 < kakimir> !wz quebec
2017-06-02T02:55:47 < dieforir1> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Clear. Temp is 10°C. WSW wind: 11 kph. Humidity: 62%.
2017-06-02T02:56:21 < Rob235_> !wz long branch
2017-06-02T02:56:22 < dieforir1> [Long Branch, New Jersey] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 23.4°C.
2017-06-02T02:56:40 < kakimir> !wz efku
2017-06-02T02:56:41 < dieforir1> [EFKU, Finland] Overcast. Temp is 4°C but feels like -1°C. WNW wind: 32 kph. Humidity: 70%.
2017-06-02T02:57:03 < Rob235_> different weather components for 3 out of 3 places
2017-06-02T02:57:09 < Laurenceb_> !wz kaki
2017-06-02T02:57:10 < dieforir1> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 34°C. SSW wind: 15 kph.
2017-06-02T02:57:54 < Laurenceb_> !wz dong
2017-06-02T02:57:55 < dieforir1> [Dongguan, China] Clear. Temp is 20°C. North wind: 3 kph.
2017-06-02T02:58:05 < Laurenceb_> !wz laurenceb
2017-06-02T02:58:06 < dieforir1> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-02T02:58:57 < kakimir> !wz laurence
2017-06-02T02:58:58 < dieforir1> [Laurence Harbor, New Jersey] Clear. Temp is 22.1°C. SE wind: 3.5 kph. Humidity: 51%.
2017-06-02T02:59:06 < Rob235_> it likes nj
2017-06-02T02:59:47 < kakimir> !wz pump
2017-06-02T02:59:48 < dieforir1> [Pumphrey, Maryland] Clear. Temp is 24.8°C. North wind: 3.2 kph.
2017-06-02T03:00:00 < Rob235_> close to nj :)
2017-06-02T03:00:18 < kakimir> every place have nice weather
2017-06-02T03:01:03 < Rob235_> !wz manila
2017-06-02T03:01:05 < dieforir1> [Manila, Philippines] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 28.9°C but feels like 36°C. SSW wind: 12.9 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2017-06-02T03:01:51 < Rob235_> !wz lima
2017-06-02T03:01:52 < dieforir1> [Lima, Peru] Clear. Temp is 14°C. East wind: 13 kph.
2017-06-02T03:02:20 < kakimir> !wz hell
2017-06-02T03:02:21 < dieforir1> [Hellenthal, Germany] Clear. Temp is 14.4°C. Humidity: 83%.
2017-06-02T03:03:00 < kakimir> !wz heaven
2017-06-02T03:03:00 < dieforir1> [Heavener, Oklahoma] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 23°C. Humidity: 67%.
2017-06-02T03:03:07 < Rob235_> !wz manaus
2017-06-02T03:03:08 < dieforir1> [Manaus, Brazil] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 32°C. ENE wind: 13 kph. Humidity: 62%.
2017-06-02T03:03:16 < Rob235_> damn its not raining anywhere
2017-06-02T03:03:41 < kOStiX> rajkosto: i just tried writing a single block of 80 bytes and read it back and the data is not the same, it does read something cause the new first array element of the new empty structure does change after the read, but the numbers are wrong
2017-06-02T03:03:46 < Rob235_> !wz quito
2017-06-02T03:03:47 < dieforir1> [Quito, Ecuador] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 22°C. North wind: 7 kph.
2017-06-02T03:03:52 < kOStiX> f_write(&Settings, (void const *)(preset), 80, (void *)&byteswritten);
2017-06-02T03:04:01 < kOStiX> f_read(&Settings, (void *)(preset_from_file), 80, (void *)&byteswritten);
2017-06-02T03:04:21 < rajkosto> what about the get pointer
2017-06-02T03:04:50 < kOStiX> what you mean?
2017-06-02T03:05:11 < rajkosto> fstreams have a get and put pointer, you might not be reading from the same place you just wrote
2017-06-02T03:06:23 < kOStiX> hmm so how do i reset that to 0 or where is that specified?
2017-06-02T03:06:25 < rajkosto> or it might be the volatile stuff in your struct messing it up
2017-06-02T03:06:34 < kOStiX> ah
2017-06-02T03:06:46 < kOStiX> lemme try without the volatiles
2017-06-02T03:07:17 < rajkosto> you can always try memcpying the struct to a char buffer of its exact size and then writing that ?
2017-06-02T03:08:03 < kOStiX> nope, same thing without volatiles
2017-06-02T03:08:29 < kOStiX> i see, i gotta try that
2017-06-02T03:13:06 < kOStiX> ok now i tried memcpy the first 80 bytes of the preset structure to a uint8_t buffer[80], then read directly into new structure, result is the same
2017-06-02T03:13:58 < rajkosto> i meant always read/write from the buffer then memcpy to structure
2017-06-02T03:15:42 < kOStiX> ah
2017-06-02T03:18:44 < kOStiX> memcpy(buffer, (void const *)preset, 80);
2017-06-02T03:18:44 < kOStiX> f_write(&Settings, (void const *)(buffer), 80, (void *)&byteswritten);
2017-06-02T03:18:44 < kOStiX> f_read(&Settings, (void *)(buffer), 80, (void *)&bytesread);
2017-06-02T03:18:44 < kOStiX> memcpy(preset_from_file, (void const *)buffer, 80);
2017-06-02T03:18:51 < kOStiX> behaves the same
2017-06-02T03:19:04 < kOStiX> freaking thing hehe
2017-06-02T03:19:31 < rajkosto> again there should be no need for all those casts, what compiler is this
2017-06-02T03:19:40 < kOStiX> its iar
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2017-06-02T03:22:31 < rajkosto> ok, do you have the correct f_read/f_write function declarations included ?
2017-06-02T03:23:21 < kOStiX> they do work as i am using them to read wav files from the card and it works properly.. also if i try to write a string of text to a file it writes correctly
2017-06-02T03:23:32 < rajkosto> because undefined function is a warning in C, not an error
2017-06-02T03:24:05 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-06-02T03:26:47 < kOStiX> it does sound something alike to what you were saying bout the pointers where im writing/reading
2017-06-02T03:26:56 < kOStiX> but where would that be setup
2017-06-02T03:27:33 < kOStiX> cause exactly only the first array entry of the array of structures is where the 80 bytes change
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2017-06-02T03:51:19 < dongs> why the shit is your byteswritten pointer a fucking void?
2017-06-02T03:51:22 < dongs> http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/doc/write.html
2017-06-02T03:51:26 < dongs> it says right there it should be UINT
2017-06-02T03:52:08 < rajkosto> i dunno why he has casts like that
2017-06-02T03:52:16 < rajkosto> byteswritten is uint*
2017-06-02T03:52:19 < dongs> right
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2017-06-02T04:02:37 < Lux> shouldn't really matter anyway, as void is also byte wise
2017-06-02T04:02:54 < dongs> wot
2017-06-02T04:03:20 < Lux> ah integer not uint8
2017-06-02T04:03:46 < Lux> what's UINT even supposed to be ?
2017-06-02T04:04:05 < rajkosto> unsigned integer
2017-06-02T04:04:06 < rajkosto> 32bit
2017-06-02T04:04:08 < rajkosto> word
2017-06-02T04:07:25 < rajkosto> if you give it a smaller variable than that you will get stack scrawl
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2017-06-02T04:22:24 < kOStiX> ah i see i must have overlooked that as it worked for what i was doing before hehe
2017-06-02T04:27:48 < kOStiX> f_write(&SettingsWRITE, (void const *)(buffer), 80, (UINT)byteswritten);
2017-06-02T04:28:09 < kOStiX> if i do this its says Error[Pe167]: argument of type "UINT" is incompatible with parameter of type "UINT *"
2017-06-02T04:28:16 < dongs> duh?
2017-06-02T04:28:17 < dongs> do you even C
2017-06-02T04:28:20 < kOStiX> or &byteswritten
2017-06-02T04:28:24 < dongs> just declare your fucking byteswritten as UINT
2017-06-02T04:28:29 < rajkosto> WHY ALL THE CASTS
2017-06-02T04:28:29 < dongs> and &byteswritten without any faggot casts
2017-06-02T04:28:42 < kOStiX> right
2017-06-02T04:29:00 < kOStiX> they were uint32_t
2017-06-02T04:32:45 < kOStiX> tho the fraking buffer isnt saved properly
2017-06-02T04:36:40 < dongs> well dudebro, maybe you wanna learn how to C
2017-06-02T04:36:49 < dongs> surely this has nothign to do with fatfs or whaetver
2017-06-02T04:37:41 < kOStiX> yah i guess im doing it somehow wrond.. dunno what could be tho, its pretty straight forward
2017-06-02T04:44:06 < kOStiX> uint8_t writebuffer[80], readbuffer[80];
2017-06-02T04:44:06 < kOStiX> memcpy(writebuffer, (void const *)preset, 80);
2017-06-02T04:44:06 < kOStiX> f_write(&SettingsWRITE, writebuffer, 80, &byteswritten);
2017-06-02T04:44:06 < kOStiX> f_read(&SettingsREAD, readbuffer, 80, &bytesread);
2017-06-02T04:44:06 < kOStiX> memcpy(preset_from_file, readbuffer, 80);
2017-06-02T04:44:15 < kOStiX> so whats wrong with this?
2017-06-02T04:44:37 < rajkosto> same file opened twice for reading and writing ?
2017-06-02T04:44:52 < kOStiX> i close it in between
2017-06-02T04:45:11 < kOStiX> open it with different handle
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2017-06-02T05:08:44 < dongs> did crs11 not happen?
2017-06-02T05:09:00 < dongs> o yeah
2017-06-02T05:09:04 < dongs> scrubbed due 2 weather nice
2017-06-02T05:14:35 < dongs> did you step thorugh and see that writebuffer and wahtever has the shit you actually expect to be written?
2017-06-02T05:14:43 < dongs> are you using latest fatfs and not some shit you picked up from github?
2017-06-02T05:14:48 < dongs> is your SD writing code not fail?
2017-06-02T05:14:49 < dongs> etc.
2017-06-02T05:14:51 < dongs> too many unknowns
2017-06-02T05:15:50 < kOStiX> i have tried without the use of buffer, directly writing the structure into f_write ... the functions work apart from this, im loading wav files finelly from the sd card, aswell as f_write works finelly writing a simple string to a text file, so it works
2017-06-02T05:16:02 < dongs> so wheers the problem
2017-06-02T05:16:09 < englishman> dong, do you have that ATV supplier link handy
2017-06-02T05:16:28 < dongs> it was harryscooter or someshit
2017-06-02T05:16:38 < dongs> looking
2017-06-02T05:16:38 < kOStiX> the problem is that when i write the array of structures to the file and then read it back into another array of structures os the same kind, the contents are not the same
2017-06-02T05:16:52 < englishman> thx
2017-06-02T05:16:58 < dongs> Website: http://changshun.en.alibaba.com/
2017-06-02T05:17:09 < englishman> im actually interested in that shit now, and cannot believe the prices
2017-06-02T05:17:16 < englishman> like $25k
2017-06-02T05:17:21 < englishman> might as well get a jeep
2017-06-02T05:17:24 < dongs> recommended mod: swap to 16S lipo packs from leaf
2017-06-02T05:17:32 < dongs> instead of fucking SLA
2017-06-02T05:17:37 < englishman> thx
2017-06-02T05:17:38 < kOStiX> ive been trying with a single structure of an array, after the stuff is read back the original and newly read are not the same
2017-06-02T05:17:48 < englishman> did you go with 16S
2017-06-02T05:17:53 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-02T05:17:58 < englishman> nice
2017-06-02T05:18:09 < dongs> i was gonna do 14 but the low end of that was too low
2017-06-02T05:18:13 < dongs> 16S works fine
2017-06-02T05:18:38 < englishman> like that right https://changshun.en.alibaba.com/product/60253526237-200392615/Chinese_cheap_atv_dealers_with_250cc_for_sale.html
2017-06-02T05:18:51 < dongs> yeah thats the trash i have
2017-06-02T05:19:06 < aandrew> heh
2017-06-02T05:19:09 < aandrew> chinese atv
2017-06-02T05:19:15 < aandrew> that seems almost an oxymoron to me
2017-06-02T05:19:16 < dongs> minus the 250cc part
2017-06-02T05:19:20 < englishman> aandrew you jest
2017-06-02T05:19:22 < aandrew> I associate atvs with rednecks
2017-06-02T05:19:24 < englishman> wait til you see what polaris wants
2017-06-02T05:20:46 < englishman> how powerful is the electric motor
2017-06-02T05:21:40 < dongs> https://changshun.en.alibaba.com/product/60381158891-209592571/dongs.html this is my trash exactly. look how they're just reusing the same fucking fuel tank from teh 250cc version
2017-06-02T05:22:01 < dongs> its just empty/unconnected
2017-06-02T05:22:19 < englishman> heh
2017-06-02T05:23:02 < englishman> then you just got a 16s bms
2017-06-02T05:24:09 < dongs> ya
2017-06-02T05:24:22 < dongs> and ordered 67.2 or whatever V charger thing
2017-06-02T05:24:31 < dongs> got a 220V version, had to open and short a bridge inside
2017-06-02T05:24:33 < dongs> to make it 110V
2017-06-02T05:24:56 < dongs> i forgot what i did with the original charger for the SLAs, but it was shit anyway
2017-06-02T05:25:30 < dongs> like 50W laptop looking shit with a fucking XLR connector wiht super thin wires
2017-06-02T05:30:56 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5lPcz0M7zA
2017-06-02T05:32:02 < englishman> they have 5kw motor too
2017-06-02T05:32:05 < englishman> thanks, will contact
2017-06-02T05:32:17 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/8ggrKVi.gifv
2017-06-02T05:35:29 < aandrew> heh
2017-06-02T05:43:23 < Peter_M> englishman 5kw isn't all that much - but its enough for practical purposes
2017-06-02T05:43:42 < englishman> yeah i think itl be plenty
2017-06-02T05:43:44 < englishman> not towing
2017-06-02T05:43:52 < dongs> works for towing like 6 kids
2017-06-02T05:44:12 < englishman> tiny nip ones
2017-06-02T05:45:53 < Peter_M> my "pushbike" is something like 8kw continuous :P
2017-06-02T05:46:44 < Peter_M> also dongs i think that dude fucked up with his harddrive review - the drive seems to hard cap at 30mb/s, probably has it on ata33 or on a usb dingle or some shit
2017-06-02T05:50:09 < rajkosto> what does all the "DMA" talk in stm32 pdf mean
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2017-06-02T05:51:18 < rajkosto> dont you just call functions and they fill your data buffers anyway
2017-06-02T05:51:57 < kOStiX> you sonfigure the dma along with the needed peripheral and get the data moved
2017-06-02T05:52:09 < kOStiX> interrupt on complete if needed and such
2017-06-02T05:52:18 < rajkosto>   isnt it kinda pointless for all the slower stuff like i2c and how would you do gpio dma
2017-06-02T05:52:56 < kOStiX> it maybe ponitless in some situations and useful in others
2017-06-02T05:54:46 < englishman> gpio dma is pretty useful
2017-06-02T05:59:02 < rajkosto> can you just auto trigger it or something ?
2017-06-02T05:59:42 < kOStiX> there are normal and circular modes
2017-06-02T05:59:55 < kOStiX> normal is where you single trigger a transfer
2017-06-02T06:00:04 < kOStiX> circular just goes on moving data
2017-06-02T06:02:24 < rajkosto> yeah but if you cant define what clock triggers the circular isnt it kinda pointless
2017-06-02T06:02:39 < rajkosto> and someone has to process all that data, so why not just read the gpios directly
2017-06-02T06:04:36 < englishman> you always have to define your timer/trigger
2017-06-02T06:05:03 < dongs> Peter_M: it says in description its a PCIE->ata card
2017-06-02T06:05:06 < dongs> or PCI mayeb
2017-06-02T06:05:24 < dongs> hm or not
2017-06-02T06:05:25 < dongs> thats for sata
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2017-06-02T06:05:34 < dongs> so whatever primary IDE channel on shitty AMD mobo
2017-06-02T06:12:05 < Peter_M> yeah
2017-06-02T06:12:18 < Peter_M> or some fuck up
2017-06-02T06:12:45 < rajkosto> or the controller/drive is stuck in PIO6
2017-06-02T06:13:18 < dongs> pretty sure you woudlnt be able to get 30meg in PIO mode
2017-06-02T06:13:23 < dongs> hes only 3 megs below ata133.
2017-06-02T06:13:28 < dongs> could be jsut AMD being shit
2017-06-02T06:13:40 < rajkosto> ATA133 is the max, most things only supported ATA100 so
2017-06-02T06:13:43 < rajkosto> whats the problem
2017-06-02T06:14:04 < rajkosto> using 40pin connectors ?
2017-06-02T06:14:08 < rajkosto> cables*
2017-06-02T06:14:10 < dongs> maybe
2017-06-02T06:14:40 < upgrdman> anyone know if "workstation" gpus would perform better in games than a gtx1080? or is it just faster float64, etc that dont matter for games
2017-06-02T06:14:55 < dongs> no
2017-06-02T06:14:56 < rajkosto> its just faster float64
2017-06-02T06:15:03 < dongs> my K1200 sux @ gamez/demos
2017-06-02T06:15:04 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-02T06:15:17 < dongs> def not worth over gtx unless you want single slot
2017-06-02T06:15:33 < dongs> which is why I got P1200 on the way. ~gtx1060 in single slot and no gay DVI sockets
2017-06-02T06:15:37 < upgrdman> im not planning an upgrd anytime soon, but thinking long term
2017-06-02T06:15:37 < dongs> er P2000
2017-06-02T06:15:51 < dongs> just get gtx1080, done
2017-06-02T06:15:56 < upgrdman> i have a gtx1080
2017-06-02T06:16:07 < dongs> then youre done
2017-06-02T06:16:09 < upgrdman> very happy with it
2017-06-02T06:16:10 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-02T06:16:15 < upgrdman> again, just thinking long term
2017-06-02T06:16:23 < dongs> any pro shit below $2-3k is gonna be slower than it anyway.
2017-06-02T06:16:32 < upgrdman> like in a 2-3 years when i upgrd, if i should stick with consumer or fapstation-grade gpus
2017-06-02T06:16:51 < upgrdman> so consumer it is, unless i get into FEA or someshit
2017-06-02T06:16:54 < dongs> by then there's probly gonna be a gtx1180
2017-06-02T06:17:01 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-02T06:17:43 < upgrdman> but i am thinking of adding a couple small fans to the top of my node202 case to keep the cpu a little cooler
2017-06-02T06:17:52 < englishman> get an xbox
2017-06-02T06:17:54 < upgrdman> shit gets toasty when rendering 4k videos, or gaming
2017-06-02T06:24:25 < dongs> stop rendering 4k cp
2017-06-02T06:28:32 < rajkosto> can you use any gpio pin for SPI CS ?
2017-06-02T06:28:42 < rajkosto> why is there one designated CS pin per spi block (2 of them on tqfp48)
2017-06-02T06:28:56 < dongs> for master?
2017-06-02T06:29:01 < dongs> y ou can use whatever, cuz you're the one toggling it
2017-06-02T06:29:14 < dongs> the designated slave CS is only (?) useful in slave mode
2017-06-02T06:33:04 < rajkosto> so how do i coordinate this with dma, i would need an interrupt per transfer which would make it kinda pointless
2017-06-02T06:33:16 < dongs> coordinate what, transmission?
2017-06-02T06:33:26 < dongs> or releasing CS?
2017-06-02T06:33:30 < rajkosto> need to toggle cs after some amount of bytes transferred
2017-06-02T06:33:43 < dongs> right, so do it in dma_tc interrupt
2017-06-02T06:33:58 < dongs> make sure to read the RM about busywaiting for actual transmit to be over
2017-06-02T06:34:02 < dongs> or you'll be missing some bits
2017-06-02T06:34:33 < rajkosto> RM ?
2017-06-02T06:34:37 < dongs> reference manual.
2017-06-02T06:34:49 < upgrdman> hmmm wtf. after latest windows update, nvidia decided my 4k tv should see 4k60 *12bit* shit. and with chroma subsampling. those faggots.
2017-06-02T06:35:00 < dongs> upgrdman: sounds like hdmi1.4
2017-06-02T06:35:07 < upgrdman> changed back to 4k60 8bit rgb
2017-06-02T06:35:10 < upgrdman> and works like before
2017-06-02T06:35:19 < rajkosto> yeah most tvs cant handle HDR without chroma subsampling
2017-06-02T06:35:33 < rajkosto> and even the latest GPUs dont have the fast enough hdmi ?
2017-06-02T06:35:52 < upgrdman> ya iirc my gtx1080 can only do 4:4:4 hdmi in 8bit mode
2017-06-02T06:36:00 < upgrdman> but 10 or 12bit if using DP
2017-06-02T06:53:14 < dongs> heh jsut got captouch PCB
2017-06-02T06:53:22 < dongs> gonna dicknplace, i hope the shit works
2017-06-02T06:53:40 < rajkosto> how you dicknplace
2017-06-02T06:53:55 < dongs> with a.. dicknplace
2017-06-02T06:54:12 < englishman> raj has not yet realized this is a pro chan for pros
2017-06-02T06:54:14 < rajkosto> is that the actual name of the machine
2017-06-02T06:54:25 < englishman> stm32 being a pro mcu, also for pros
2017-06-02T06:54:31 < dongs> with how much dicking is required, it might as well be, but no
2017-06-02T06:54:33 < rajkosto> ok, so searching internet for 'dicknplace' only reveals lines from you, dongs
2017-06-02T06:54:35 < dongs> its just a pnp that works
2017-06-02T06:54:37 < dongs> haha
2017-06-02T06:54:44 < rajkosto> congradulations.
2017-06-02T06:55:15 < rajkosto> i just use metal stencils and then manually pick and place
2017-06-02T06:55:33 < rajkosto> i use sticky toothpicks, dont have a vacuum thing evne
2017-06-02T06:56:01 < Peter_M> upgrdman nvidia dont garantee error free perforamnce in consumer but in professional they do.
2017-06-02T06:56:14 < rajkosto> but professional doesnt have ECC memory either
2017-06-02T06:56:15 < upgrdman> ya i read about that too
2017-06-02T06:56:21 < upgrdman> rajkosto, binning
2017-06-02T06:56:23 < englishman> even manual dicknplace can be pro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDSsem_JHmw
2017-06-02T06:56:43 < Peter_M> doesnt matter if your memory has ecc or not if you spitting the wrong data into it
2017-06-02T06:56:47 < rajkosto> oh you have a manipulator
2017-06-02T06:57:26 < rajkosto> seems like a lot of work to order all the components on the tray for that thing
2017-06-02T06:58:02 < englishman> no
2017-06-02T06:58:05 < englishman> nobody has that.
2017-06-02T06:58:08 < rajkosto> whats the point if its not automatic
2017-06-02T06:58:13 < englishman> right.
2017-06-02T06:58:32 < upgrdman> dongs, that manual dicknplace looks rage inducing. "what'd you do today?" "i positioned solder paste blobs. feelsgoodman."
2017-06-02T06:58:51 < dongs> ya no
2017-06-02T06:58:55 < dongs> stencil or fuck off
2017-06-02T06:59:04 < rajkosto> how do you guys do double sided boards
2017-06-02T06:59:10 < dongs> im about to do double sided trash
2017-06-02T06:59:10 < upgrdman> ya even *i* do stencil for anything work related now
2017-06-02T06:59:28 < dongs> ZEPHPASTE
2017-06-02T06:59:29 < upgrdman> zyphr
2017-06-02T06:59:30 < dongs> but they're racist
2017-06-02T06:59:46 < dongs> try shipping their shit outside USA
2017-06-02T06:59:52 < dongs> (ask englishman)
2017-06-02T07:00:05 < rajkosto> i just use leaded paste cuz fuck rohs
2017-06-02T07:00:09 < upgrdman> R2COM, but with a stencil, it's not as big of a deal. i used some 2yr old desk drawer paste, supposedly kester ep256 but repackaged... and it worked perfrect
2017-06-02T07:00:17 < kOStiX> ive done double sided with toner transfer and dry film negative photoresist
2017-06-02T07:00:32 < rajkosto> kOStiX, double sided load
2017-06-02T07:00:55 < rajkosto> ive made my own double sided pcbs, evne plated the holes, its not worth
2017-06-02T07:01:14 < kOStiX> hehe
2017-06-02T07:01:21 < dongs> R2COM: you mean.. like wire solder?
2017-06-02T07:01:22 < kOStiX> depends how fast you need it and where you are
2017-06-02T07:01:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://farrellf.com/temp/stenciled_solderpaste.jpg
2017-06-02T07:01:39 < dongs> probly but not worth it
2017-06-02T07:02:09 < dongs> no idea
2017-06-02T07:02:10 < dongs> i use jap stuff
2017-06-02T07:02:13 < dongs> you cant get it
2017-06-02T07:02:13 < rajkosto> locally i just buy NEDIS FLUX HQ CORED SOLDER, its from netherlands
2017-06-02T07:02:23 < kOStiX> i use kester 63/37
2017-06-02T07:02:27 < kOStiX> 0.8mm
2017-06-02T07:02:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol k
2017-06-02T07:02:33 < ohsix> derp
2017-06-02T07:02:35 < dongs> i have some 0.3, 0.8mm
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2017-06-02T07:02:53 < rajkosto> stenciled paste looks so good
2017-06-02T07:03:09 < rajkosto> compared to manual paste which inconsistently blobs and leaves dust everywhere
2017-06-02T07:03:13 < kOStiX> sometimes i solder smd chips with 0.4 silver bearing one
2017-06-02T07:03:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/21aHJvr.jpg more amaze stenciled paste
2017-06-02T07:03:27 < ohsix> kOStiX: i have a big box of knobs http://i.imgur.com/Ryv5HYX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WWhpdyT.jpg snagged them from surplus with you in mind huhuh
2017-06-02T07:03:40 < kOStiX> oh cool
2017-06-02T07:03:47 < kOStiX> look good
2017-06-02T07:03:59 < kOStiX> for some of my synths hehe
2017-06-02T07:04:02 < ohsix> werd
2017-06-02T07:04:15 < ohsix> ya for cost of shipping np; i'm gonna be busy until monday tho
2017-06-02T07:04:18 < ohsix> car fixin
2017-06-02T07:04:33 < englishman> lol ZEPH is the worst scam conceived
2017-06-02T07:04:38 < englishman> only retarded americans buy that shit
2017-06-02T07:04:46 < kOStiX> you tell me how much you want for them man
2017-06-02T07:04:49 < upgrdman> R2COM, whats wrong with your mgchem solder? i use it and love it
2017-06-02T07:04:57 < upgrdman> 63/37, rosin code
2017-06-02T07:05:00 < upgrdman> core
2017-06-02T07:05:06 < ohsix> kOStiX: you can have them, cover shipping :p
2017-06-02T07:05:13 < englishman> leaded solder, plz
2017-06-02T07:05:15 < englishman> go back to africa
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2017-06-02T07:05:58 < upgrdman> R2COM, pb-free or 63/37?
2017-06-02T07:06:09 < upgrdman> oh, never used with rohs shit
2017-06-02T07:06:16 < englishman> R2COM confirmed as ESL immigrant
2017-06-02T07:06:43 < upgrdman> using some shit china rosh solder when in cn, and it works great but fucking jizzing flux all over the place. like prolly most flux than solder. was weird as shit
2017-06-02T07:06:52 < upgrdman> rohs*
2017-06-02T07:07:08 < upgrdman> me neither
2017-06-02T07:07:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, equiv series induc
2017-06-02T07:07:20 < upgrdman> or english as second lang
2017-06-02T07:07:54 < englishman> dongs, waiting for preorder link
2017-06-02T07:08:02 < upgrdman> R2COM, where were you from
2017-06-02T07:08:12 < englishman> wheres the capsense
2017-06-02T07:08:27 < dongs> capsense about to get ProPasted
2017-06-02T07:08:39 < englishman> did i tell you how amaze my soil monitor works
2017-06-02T07:08:42 < englishman> with abused tsc
2017-06-02T07:09:08 < dongs> olrly
2017-06-02T07:09:15 < englishman> ssh secrets
2017-06-02T07:09:16 < dongs> nah i just used some atmel qtouch trash extenrally
2017-06-02T07:09:24 < dongs> i dont even know if this shit will work
2017-06-02T07:09:28 < dongs> dickstarter(tm) junk
2017-06-02T07:09:36 < dongs> literally 5 minutes after I finished laying out the board
2017-06-02T07:09:39 < dongs> teh faggot CALLS me
2017-06-02T07:09:40 < dongs> and goes
2017-06-02T07:09:47 < dongs> "oh, you need to add 10 more things to this"
2017-06-02T07:09:50 < englishman> ha
2017-06-02T07:09:52 < englishman> yeah
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2017-06-02T07:10:26 < rajkosto> but when layout is finished the board is packed, theres no room for 10 more things !
2017-06-02T07:11:11 < dongs> and this is on a space/pinout constrained shit, where those fucking capsense shits take up half the board and need ground/etc clearance around them
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2017-06-02T07:11:29 < dongs> i was like: no
2017-06-02T07:12:46 < dongs> oh i do have a roll of that
2017-06-02T07:15:32 < dongs> haha
2017-06-02T07:16:33 < dongs> just call that nigger up
2017-06-02T07:16:35 < dongs> from cypress office
2017-06-02T07:16:44 < englishman> of course, its designed in america
2017-06-02T07:16:56 < englishman> good luck getting a datasheet for that MILSPEC SOLDER too
2017-06-02T07:17:25 < englishman> just bail
2017-06-02T07:17:33 < englishman> they are so nonpro it hurts
2017-06-02T07:17:35 < englishman> anyway
2017-06-02T07:17:45 < englishman> why is a pro employee of a pro company even considering zeph
2017-06-02T07:18:17 < englishman> just go down to procurement and get a tub of whatever they buy
2017-06-02T07:19:47 < englishman> pretty sure you signed a noncompete with pro company
2017-06-02T07:20:03 < englishman> giving them any and all pro shit you "invent"
2017-06-02T07:20:12 < dongs> might as well just work on personal shit during work hours
2017-06-02T07:20:26 < dongs> thats what i did for like 5 years before quitting japco
2017-06-02T07:20:53 < kOStiX> i also did that when worked at a sound recording studio haha
2017-06-02T07:22:04 < dongs> innovating jews
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2017-06-02T07:23:00 < dongs> you laugh
2017-06-02T07:23:02 < dongs> but its true
2017-06-02T07:24:55 < Rob235_> because you drive there every work..day
2017-06-02T07:28:56 < upgrdman> you use the gps to get to the same place every day?
2017-06-02T07:29:11 < upgrdman> that bad at driving?
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2017-06-02T07:30:34 < upgrdman> you keep location services on 24/7?
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2017-06-02T07:36:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JzmZlgS.jpg gross chinapcbs
2017-06-02T07:38:17 < upgrdman> dongs, isnt that pcb oversized? like the top is mostly empty
2017-06-02T07:38:31 < dongs> its capsense + lcd
2017-06-02T07:38:49 < upgrdman> oh lcd
2017-06-02T07:38:51 < upgrdman> ok
2017-06-02T07:38:59 < upgrdman> makes snese then if lcd will sit on top of the top half
2017-06-02T07:39:01 < rajkosto> TOUCH MY DONG
2017-06-02T07:39:03 < rajkosto> good advice
2017-06-02T07:39:48 < upgrdman> why the weird angles on the 0805's in the touch area
2017-06-02T07:39:53 < englishman> kosovo != serbia
2017-06-02T07:40:02 < dongs> upgrdman: they';re fucking leds to illuminate buttons
2017-06-02T07:40:03 < dongs> NO IDEA
2017-06-02T07:40:08 < dongs> the autist actually calculated the angle
2017-06-02T07:40:10 < dongs> in solidworks
2017-06-02T07:40:11 < dongs> for each button
2017-06-02T07:40:15 < dongs> with eaxct distance/wahtever
2017-06-02T07:40:23 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-02T07:40:26 < upgrdman> haha cool
2017-06-02T07:40:33 < rajkosto> englishman, i couldnt give a shit
2017-06-02T07:40:34 < englishman> extreme autism
2017-06-02T07:41:37 < dongs> why you gotta bring racism into this englishman
2017-06-02T07:41:53 < Rob235_> before the dark webz I used to get my xanny's from some email guy in serbia, I miss that guy
2017-06-02T07:42:24 < englishman> plz
2017-06-02T07:42:47 < englishman> croats and serbs are both beautiful nations
2017-06-02T07:42:53  * Rob235_ is happy R2COM has him on ignore
2017-06-02T07:43:16 < englishman> rob, that is one of the few times i agree with you
2017-06-02T07:43:28 < Rob235_> psh, you always agree with me
2017-06-02T07:44:40 < Rob235_> is the gauss newton the best acc calibration method?
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2017-06-02T07:46:36 < upgrdman> accel calib? just hold it perdendickular to gravity... 1g
2017-06-02T07:46:48 < rajkosto> then set that as the reference down vector
2017-06-02T07:47:05 < Rob235_> to fix sensitivity and offsets
2017-06-02T07:47:17 < upgrdman> ya just like i said
2017-06-02T07:47:25 < upgrdman> then flip it over to check for offset, etc
2017-06-02T07:47:30 < upgrdman> and repeat for other axes
2017-06-02T07:47:30 < rajkosto> you can try holding the chip so that 1g affects it on different axes
2017-06-02T07:47:37 < rajkosto> then set that as 1g magnitude and offset
2017-06-02T07:47:40 < rajkosto> for those axes
2017-06-02T07:47:40 < Rob235_> yea thats basically what it is
2017-06-02T07:47:56 < rajkosto> however, this isnt the same in all parts of the world
2017-06-02T07:48:09 < rajkosto> gravity is slightly askew everywhere else
2017-06-02T07:48:42 < upgrdman> rajkosto, for consumer accel's... would that even be outside of the noise?
2017-06-02T07:48:55 < rajkosto> they end up being slightly tilte
2017-06-02T07:49:26 < rajkosto> pitch -12.4 roll -1.7 (degs)
2017-06-02T07:49:36 < rajkosto> its not unnoticable
2017-06-02T07:50:02 < upgrdman> youre saying the gravity vector is off by 12.4 degrees?
2017-06-02T07:50:13 < upgrdman> htf is that possible on the surface of the earth?
2017-06-02T07:50:18 < rajkosto> dunno
2017-06-02T07:50:58 < upgrdman> i know the earht isnt a perfect sphere, but it isnt that far off
2017-06-02T07:52:01 < rajkosto> do you ever care about absolute orientation ?
2017-06-02T07:52:27 < upgrdman> too lazy to calib my magn, so not really
2017-06-02T07:52:38 < rajkosto> you care about the regions for screen rotation and relative orientation for tilt-games or whatever
2017-06-02T07:53:02 < Rob235_> this is for a drone
2017-06-02T07:53:19 < Rob235_> just fyi
2017-06-02T07:53:40 < rajkosto> what sensorfusion are you using to get absolute orientation out of accel+gyro then
2017-06-02T07:53:50 < upgrdman> me? madgwick
2017-06-02T07:53:51 < Rob235_> madgwick
2017-06-02T07:54:13 < rajkosto> how do you set the filter coefficient so it works fine when there's some acceleration involved
2017-06-02T07:54:24 < upgrdman> it just works
2017-06-02T07:54:28 < Rob235_> ive been using the bno055 which fuses on its own but I want a faster output rate so now im writing a library for the mpu9250
2017-06-02T07:54:32 < upgrdman> its like the easier fusion algo
2017-06-02T07:54:32 < rajkosto> you keep it at default 0.033 forever ?
2017-06-02T07:55:25 < rajkosto> what conventions does madgwick use for the axes
2017-06-02T07:55:31 < rajkosto> since they do provide code in their pdf
2017-06-02T07:56:30 < dongs> http://nextshark.com/serbian-volleyball-team-poses-racist-slant-eyes-celebrate-going-japan/
2017-06-02T07:57:32 < upgrdman> rajkosto, conventions? what do you mean. units?
2017-06-02T07:57:38 < dongs> upgrdman: no like NED/etc
2017-06-02T07:57:47 < englishman> how do they know its japanese and not laotian
2017-06-02T07:58:04 < rajkosto> upgrdman, what is X what is Y what is Z and which direction
2017-06-02T07:58:21 < upgrdman> oh lol, i just tried until it worked
2017-06-02T07:58:22 < upgrdman> :)
2017-06-02T07:58:23 < rajkosto> need to swap/negate/scale the axes you get
2017-06-02T07:58:26 < dongs> ENU/NED
2017-06-02T07:58:41 < dongs> R2COM: tru, open forehead = instant turn off
2017-06-02T07:58:56 < dongs> need that junuor high school girl look
2017-06-02T07:59:12 < dongs> and all hair way too long
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2017-06-02T07:59:32 < dongs> rajkosto: are you ragequieeting due to racism or just testing your irc client
2017-06-02T08:00:10 < dongs> damn right
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2017-06-02T08:05:17 < upgrdman> anyone know of a quality flashlight with 18650 and built-in usb charging?
2017-06-02T08:05:30 < upgrdman> or even better, usb power bank functionality too
2017-06-02T08:06:01 < dongs> i'm sure theres somehthing on aliexpress
2017-06-02T08:06:09 < upgrdman> i said quality, you faggot
2017-06-02T08:06:21 < upgrdman> i alreayd have shit flashlights with CRI <20
2017-06-02T08:06:29 < dongs> http://maglite.com/shop/mag-tac-led-rechargeable-flashlight-system-crowned-bezel.html here you go faggot
2017-06-02T08:06:48 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-02T08:06:52 < upgrdman> that looks like an ass toy
2017-06-02T08:06:59 < upgrdman> ribbed for your pleasure
2017-06-02T08:08:05 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KH2JP5G/
2017-06-02T08:08:08 < dongs> anker is PRO STUFF
2017-06-02T08:08:23 < dongs> also: #1 best seller on amazon
2017-06-02T08:08:26 < dongs> cant be wrong there
2017-06-02T08:08:48 < englishman> upgrdman> i said quality, you faggot
2017-06-02T08:08:59 < englishman> where ELSE do you expect to find a 18650 flashlight with usb charging
2017-06-02T08:09:13 < upgrdman> dongs, hmm looks decent. wonder what the CRI is. so many LED flashlights have total shit "white" light.
2017-06-02T08:09:53 < dongs> wtf is cri, cock rating index?
2017-06-02T08:10:07 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-02T08:10:10 < englishman> with 700 reviews, you just go on budgetlightforums and find the thread for that light
2017-06-02T08:10:11 < upgrdman> color rendering index
2017-06-02T08:10:12 < dongs> dop you eman color temp or something?
2017-06-02T08:10:15 < upgrdman> >90 is good
2017-06-02T08:10:16 < englishman> no
2017-06-02T08:10:17 < englishman> not even
2017-06-02T08:10:23 < upgrdman> not just color temp, but like spectral evenness
2017-06-02T08:10:27 < upgrdman> or whatever its called
2017-06-02T08:10:36 < englishman> it's like audio soundstage but for leds
2017-06-02T08:10:36 < upgrdman> not a bunch of valleys/peaks in the spectrum
2017-06-02T08:10:38 < englishman> literally
2017-06-02T08:10:39 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-02T08:10:50 < upgrdman> and its not just wanker shit
2017-06-02T08:10:57 < englishman> right
2017-06-02T08:11:00 < englishman> like audio soundstage
2017-06-02T08:11:14 < englishman> totally matters that your blades of grass are the greenest green
2017-06-02T08:11:21 < upgrdman> englishman, you dont see how shit colors render when lit up by cheap LED lights?
2017-06-02T08:11:21 < englishman> as you look for your lost contact lens
2017-06-02T08:11:41 < englishman> ???
2017-06-02T08:11:42 < englishman> sur
2017-06-02T08:11:47 < upgrdman> well if you're going to pay >20 for a flashlight, it might as well have clean white light
2017-06-02T08:11:57 < englishman> dont buy your flashlights at the same place you buy jack daniels
2017-06-02T08:12:00 < dongs> > $20
2017-06-02T08:12:06 < dongs> i think i'd start caring if i was paying >$200
2017-06-02T08:12:17 < dongs> and even then, at that point you figure they know what they're doing
2017-06-02T08:12:18 < upgrdman> im willing to spend maybe $100
2017-06-02T08:12:23 < englishman> lol
2017-06-02T08:12:26 < upgrdman> i just want quality.
2017-06-02T08:12:33 < upgrdman> im not poor, i want nice tools.
2017-06-02T08:12:56 < englishman> go to #multiwii
2017-06-02T08:13:00 < englishman> and beep creyc
2017-06-02T08:13:06 < englishman> if you want pro.
2017-06-02T08:13:23 < englishman> but you will be poor after listening to him
2017-06-02T08:13:23 < dongs> is he a pro flashlfight faggot
2017-06-02T08:13:28 < upgrdman> ya that Anker light. look at the first amazon review video. see the shit color
2017-06-02T08:13:43 < upgrdman> like center is blue, rim is yellow
2017-06-02T08:13:51 < englishman> why are you chatting here
2017-06-02T08:13:54 < upgrdman> amateur optic design
2017-06-02T08:13:54 < englishman> i told you waht to do
2017-06-02T08:15:02 < englishman> lol
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2017-06-02T08:34:44 < ohsix> oh shit interesting things happened
2017-06-02T08:35:12 < rajkosto> dongs, i accidentally ctrl w this window instead of a browser tab
2017-06-02T08:35:26 < rajkosto> but y u racist dawgs
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2017-06-02T08:37:37 < rajkosto> funny that you guys talk about bno055, because the spi thing im trying to read is a bmi055 (which is just a 2x2 + bgi160)
2017-06-02T08:38:11 < dongs> are you the one doing DMA with CS thing?
2017-06-02T08:38:18 < dongs> doesnt that thing have a fifo
2017-06-02T08:38:22 < dongs> just read out like 1k of data at once
2017-06-02T08:38:29 < rajkosto> but i want 1 reading every 1ms
2017-06-02T08:38:31 < dongs> then you dont need to care about toggling cs every 6 bytes
2017-06-02T08:38:32 < rajkosto> not 1k of data
2017-06-02T08:38:34 < dongs> why
2017-06-02T08:38:38 < dongs> you can do BOTH
2017-06-02T08:38:42 < dongs> you can do 1k of data every1ms
2017-06-02T08:39:10 < rajkosto> i only need 12
2017-06-02T08:39:16 < rajkosto> i was just doing dma for kicks
2017-06-02T08:40:07 < dongs> for 12 bytes its almost not worth it.
2017-06-02T08:40:11 < dongs> if you wanna get clever, you can setup a timer
2017-06-02T08:40:14 < dongs> to drive the cs line
2017-06-02T08:40:17 < dongs> sync timer w/dma
2017-06-02T08:40:25 < dongs> then you don't need to care about releasing it in interrupt
2017-06-02T08:40:25 < dongs> etc.
2017-06-02T08:40:48 < dongs> but you still need transfer complete interrupt to know your data is ready so...? i dont really see the big deal
2017-06-02T08:40:57 < dongs> it takes like 2 instructions to write to GPIOx->BSRR to clear the pin
2017-06-02T08:44:59 < rajkosto> probably faster to just PIO the 12 bytes than wait for interrupt
2017-06-02T08:45:08 < dongs> definitely
2017-06-02T08:45:11 < dongs> especailyl with DMA setup
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2017-06-02T08:53:28 < dongs> lol shit chinapcb made a couple sodler bridges even with my pro paste
2017-06-02T08:53:32 < dongs> their enig is really trash
2017-06-02T08:53:43 < rajkosto> you used china enig ?
2017-06-02T08:54:05 < dongs> yeah, its 10x beter than chinahasl, but still 10x worse than local pro stuff
2017-06-02T08:54:14 < rajkosto> meh hasl is fine for me, except for bga
2017-06-02T08:54:17 < dongs> its like the gold is really thin or soemthing
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2017-06-02T08:54:21 < dongs> no way, shits uneeven as fuck
2017-06-02T08:54:33 < rajkosto> which is fine for non bga
2017-06-02T08:54:34 < dongs> and wahtever soldder is on there is more like anti-solder
2017-06-02T08:54:36 < dongs> shit doesnt even stick to it
2017-06-02T08:54:42 < rajkosto> my shit stuck :|
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2017-06-02T08:56:32 < rajkosto> what i dont like about chinapcb is that they sometimes mess up with the soldermask, probably gerber importer problems
2017-06-02T08:56:57 < rajkosto> its on pads that it shouldnt be (not consistent across footprints)
2017-06-02T08:58:16 < dongs> that just sounds like kikcad sucks
2017-06-02T08:59:38 < rajkosto> it was altium
2017-06-02T09:00:00 < rajkosto> like one of the screwholes had the whole circle uncovered, the rest only had one of the holes uncovered
2017-06-02T09:00:18 < rajkosto> and the middle pad of a tqfp was covered in one place but not another (same chip, same footprint)
2017-06-02T09:00:25 < rajkosto> it looks fine in zofspcb/any gerber viewer
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2017-06-02T09:46:26 < Peter_M> http://www.betootaadvocate.com/humans-of-betoota/bloke-didnt-realise-20-haircut-result-learning-barbers-entire-life-story/
2017-06-02T09:46:31 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o did i post this already :o
2017-06-02T09:51:44 < rajkosto> already doing most of it, ill try to improve
2017-06-02T09:54:01 < qyx> last boards I ordered with enig were similar
2017-06-02T09:54:46 < dongs> similar trash that is?
2017-06-02T09:54:48 < qyx> like being covered with oil or whatever
2017-06-02T09:54:53 < qyx> not solderable
2017-06-02T09:54:56 < dongs> yeah its fuckign weird
2017-06-02T09:54:59 < rajkosto> ORGANIC SOLDERABILITY PRESERVATIVE
2017-06-02T09:55:09 < qyx> I tried cleaning in IPA
2017-06-02T09:55:13 < qyx> it didn't help much
2017-06-02T09:55:18 < ohsix> ipas are too bitter
2017-06-02T09:55:19 < dongs> its just chinkenig(tm)
2017-06-02T09:55:22 < ohsix> prefer belgian
2017-06-02T09:55:49 < qyx> this was localenig
2017-06-02T09:56:18 < dongs> probly shipped off to china
2017-06-02T09:57:02 < rajkosto> why do you want gold anyawy ? solder aint gold
2017-06-02T09:58:00 < qyx> because there were some testpoints and board edge connector
2017-06-02T09:58:07 < dongs> because why not
2017-06-02T09:58:12 < rajkosto> the board edge connector needs more than enig
2017-06-02T09:58:16 < rajkosto> enig is just for soldering
2017-06-02T09:58:21 < qyx> I know
2017-06-02T09:58:29 < rajkosto> you specify it in "additional notes"
2017-06-02T09:58:33 < dongs> damn negro
2017-06-02T09:58:42 < dongs> why cant you just let people enjoy enig
2017-06-02T09:58:49 < qyx> this wasnt for repeated connecting
2017-06-02T09:58:51 < rajkosto> because i always just use hasl
2017-06-02T09:59:02 < dongs> hasl looks fucking awful, is harder to solder, and is uneven
2017-06-02T09:59:10 < dongs> PROPER enig is supposed to flow solder better
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2017-06-02T10:10:04 < upgrdman_> anyone used Krita? like it?
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2017-06-02T10:11:39 < ohsix> kde sux, u sux
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2017-06-02T10:16:14 < ohsix> i use inkscape and hate it for no inkscape reason
2017-06-02T10:17:32 < ohsix> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/HOT-SALE-3d-pantograph-machine_60013038591.html
2017-06-02T10:17:56 < rajkosto> yes its 1$
2017-06-02T10:18:47 < upgrdman> ohsix, krita is raster, not vector
2017-06-02T10:19:28 < ohsix> o
2017-06-02T10:19:45 < ohsix> the mspaint workalikes are all pretty bad, shrug
2017-06-02T10:19:58 < ohsix> if it isn't .net it is already ahead of the game
2017-06-02T10:20:29 < rajkosto> INFINITE SCALING
2017-06-02T10:20:49 < ohsix> i was using pinta for re markup np
2017-06-02T10:21:13 < ohsix> when i only had 4gb in the craptop it would make it swap when a browser was open ;]
2017-06-02T10:23:55 < rajkosto> the only thing that 64bit firefox does is make it use more ram (5GB instead of 2GB)
2017-06-02T10:24:01 < rajkosto> same instability and slow
2017-06-02T10:24:09 < upgrdman> people still use firefux?
2017-06-02T10:24:13 < rajkosto> i have to
2017-06-02T10:24:18 < rajkosto> chrome has a tab limit per window
2017-06-02T10:24:53 < rajkosto> it shrinks them to nothingness way before that too
2017-06-02T10:24:59 < upgrdman> i dont think i've ever had >30 tabs open. why would this be a problem? like to "idle" on lots of pages?
2017-06-02T10:25:05 < rajkosto> yep
2017-06-02T10:25:10 < rajkosto> keep them around for reference later
2017-06-02T10:25:24 < upgrdman> you letting them mine bitcoins via javascript or something?
2017-06-02T10:25:30 < rajkosto> nope
2017-06-02T10:25:37 < rajkosto> firefox has "dont load tabs before i click on them" too
2017-06-02T10:25:53 < rajkosto> but it still seems to use ungodly amounts of ram per tab
2017-06-02T10:29:32 < dongs> wut
2017-06-02T10:29:49 < dongs> dont use tabs, problem fucking solved
2017-06-02T10:29:59 < rajkosto> k, ruin my entire workflow
2017-06-02T10:30:57 < dongs> if your "workflow" involves a bunch of shit whose titles you cannot read or alt-tab through, sure thing
2017-06-02T10:31:10 < dongs> i prefer letting Windows Explorer manage my windows
2017-06-02T10:31:11 < Thorn> hatch closing https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
2017-06-02T10:31:14 < dongs> isntead of each app reinventing the wheel
2017-06-02T10:31:17 < rajkosto>  i can read them in firefox
2017-06-02T10:31:20 < rajkosto> not in chrome.
2017-06-02T10:31:24 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-06-02T10:31:40 < rajkosto> chrome doesnt want you to do that so they shrink them until there is 0px left for the title or favicon
2017-06-02T10:31:50 < dongs> also my browser has a hard limit of about 1280x1024 on any of my screens
2017-06-02T10:32:02 < rajkosto> and after some amount they dont even appear as new tabs, you cant switch to them
2017-06-02T10:32:08 < dongs> any page that requires to be wider than that gets closed
2017-06-02T10:32:23 < dongs> again, just using windows solves that
2017-06-02T10:32:43 < rajkosto> id rather not have 300 windows.
2017-06-02T10:33:47 < dongs> install tab wrangler from chrome store
2017-06-02T10:33:52 < dongs> and set like 12h limit for closing
2017-06-02T10:33:59 < rajkosto> you dont understand
2017-06-02T10:34:00 < dongs> then you will never end up with 300 windows open
2017-06-02T10:34:02 < rajkosto> i dont want to close them.
2017-06-02T10:34:03 < dongs> sure i do
2017-06-02T10:34:07 < dongs> then there's something wrong
2017-06-02T10:34:10 < dongs> if you need 300 shits open
2017-06-02T10:34:13 < dongs> at any given time
2017-06-02T10:34:15 < rajkosto> its IMPORTANT THINGS
2017-06-02T10:34:17 < dongs> no
2017-06-02T10:34:21 < rajkosto> i MAY NEED THEM LATER
2017-06-02T10:34:31 < dongs> doubtful
2017-06-02T10:34:34 < rajkosto> i did
2017-06-02T10:34:38 < rajkosto> and searching history sucks.
2017-06-02T10:34:39 < dongs> i have 12h close timeout setup on my windows
2017-06-02T10:34:46 < dongs> and I *NEVER* miss anythign that I didnt see 12 hours later
2017-06-02T10:34:54 < rajkosto> k
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2017-06-02T10:39:54 < zyp> I've got 50 tabs open now across two chrome windows
2017-06-02T10:39:58 < zyp> isn't that common?
2017-06-02T10:40:11 < dongs> i have like 15 chrome windows open
2017-06-02T10:40:18 < dongs> i can click the little thing in windows explorer
2017-06-02T10:40:21 < dongs> and see each window title
2017-06-02T10:40:34 < dongs> and pick the one i want
2017-06-02T10:40:45 < dongs> isnt that how one supposed to use a computer?
2017-06-02T10:41:03 < Steffanx> Autism.
2017-06-02T10:41:07 < zyp> oh, idk
2017-06-02T10:42:00 < zyp> I never remember the titles of all the tabs I have open anyway, I just remember roughly where they are
2017-06-02T10:43:05 < Steffanx> Dont we all (ab)use the tabs/windows as bookmarks or perhaps a readlist?
2017-06-02T10:43:19 < zyp> leftmost shit is stuff that I always keep open (mail, other shit I check regularly), rightmost shit is stuff I've just opened
2017-06-02T10:43:27 < zyp> stuff in the middle is stuff I'm not done with yet
2017-06-02T10:43:57 < zyp> like datasheets I'm going to reference tomorrow or next week or whatever
2017-06-02T10:44:05 < dongs> you open datasaheets in CHROME?
2017-06-02T10:44:09 < dongs> and not save them into project folder?
2017-06-02T10:44:11 < dongs> fucking newb
2017-06-02T10:44:18 < rajkosto> yes i have tons of datasheets open in firefox
2017-06-02T10:44:24 < dongs> im so fucking sorry to hear that
2017-06-02T10:44:30 < zyp> dongs, yeah, fuck saving datasheets
2017-06-02T10:44:32 < dongs> maybe one day you'll discover actobat reader
2017-06-02T10:44:40 < rajkosto> > not using pdf x-change
2017-06-02T10:44:41 < dongs> and its superior pdf rendering engine
2017-06-02T10:44:50 < rajkosto> i use pdf x-change as a NPAPI plugin in firefox
2017-06-02T10:45:02 < rajkosto> another thing chrome cant do (fuck pdf.js)
2017-06-02T10:45:10 < dongs> whats next, you gonna tell us you are actually running firefox in lunix?
2017-06-02T10:45:55 < zyp> I never got the thing about archiving datasheets, since it's usually faster to just google it again than figuring out where I archived it
2017-06-02T10:46:24 < zyp> I do open huge shit like the stm32 RMs in an external pdf reader though, for the TOC
2017-06-02T10:46:25 < dongs> zyp, i ave a workdrive\datasheets for generic stuff, and per-project datasheets\ folder where all proj relateed shit is
2017-06-02T10:46:33 < dongs> and windows search is pretty good, i can find one i want in seconds anyway
2017-06-02T10:46:36 < dongs> even if I start from root
2017-06-02T10:46:41 < dongs> donno how bad it is on macos :p
2017-06-02T10:46:53 < zyp> I just dump it in Downloads if I download anything
2017-06-02T10:46:59 < zyp> and search it
2017-06-02T10:47:05 < rajkosto> thats how i ended up with 3TB of Downloads
2017-06-02T10:47:19 < zyp> I mean, if you're going to search it anyway, what does it matter where they are stored
2017-06-02T10:47:22 < dongs> you guys are fucking pigs
2017-06-02T10:47:27 < zyp> haha
2017-06-02T10:47:31 < dongs> i have a 64gb temp drive
2017-06-02T10:47:39 < dongs> thats where random shit goes
2017-06-02T10:47:41 < zyp> well sure
2017-06-02T10:47:42 < dongs> that isnt work/whatever
2017-06-02T10:47:47 < Steffanx> Datasheets on disk.. meh. Its much faster to just browse the interwrbs
2017-06-02T10:47:48 < rajkosto> hey, some of the random shit in that 3TB downloads
2017-06-02T10:47:53 < rajkosto> i needed it way later
2017-06-02T10:47:56 < rajkosto> wasnt available anymore
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2017-06-02T10:49:10 < dongs> and?
2017-06-02T10:49:25 < dongs> if I actually needed it, it would have been cached in my project folder
2017-06-02T10:49:27 < rajkosto> if it was on temp drive, all those moments would be lost in time, like tears in the rain
2017-06-02T10:49:55 < zyp> if it stops being available, it can't be very important anyway
2017-06-02T10:50:02 < dongs> also that
2017-06-02T10:50:13 < rajkosto> nope, some of it was sekret sauce
2017-06-02T10:50:18 < rajkosto> never again to be found
2017-06-02T10:51:54 < zyp> dongs, so, do you also rename pdfs to sane names?
2017-06-02T10:52:00 < dongs> yes
2017-06-02T10:52:14 < dongs> STM32F401xB..C and STM32F401xD..E Reference Manual (RM0368. DM00096844).pdf
2017-06-02T10:52:17 < dongs> for example im reading this right now
2017-06-02T10:52:52 < dongs> so when I need to search for it, i can reference it either by retarded st number, RMxx, part#, or the fact that its a refererence manual
2017-06-02T10:53:06 < Thorn> no revision number in filename?
2017-06-02T10:53:07 < zyp> umm
2017-06-02T10:53:09 < Thorn> instafail
2017-06-02T10:53:17 < zyp> windows search only looks at filename, not contents?
2017-06-02T10:53:23 < dongs> Thorn: its always latest
2017-06-02T10:53:34 < dongs> zyp, why the fuck would I want windows search looking inside a 20meg pdf file
2017-06-02T10:53:49 < Thorn> zyp: content:"someshit"
2017-06-02T10:54:01 < Thorn> lol @ "always latest"
2017-06-02T10:54:04 < zyp> dongs, what, it doesn't index context?
2017-06-02T10:54:07 < dongs> my stm32 datasheet/stdperiph/etc folder is like 8gb
2017-06-02T10:54:17 < dongs> i dont want that hsit indexed
2017-06-02T10:54:22 < dongs> zyp, it does if you tell it to.
2017-06-02T10:54:25 < dongs> i definitely do NOT want it to
2017-06-02T10:55:13 < zyp> macos search index all pdfs and shit, so I just type "stm32f401" and it pops up a list with previews of f401 DS and RM
2017-06-02T10:55:30 < dongs> yeah no
2017-06-02T10:55:39 < zyp> assuming I've saved it to downloads, of course
2017-06-02T10:56:14 < dongs> i open it by win-r, typing f:\stm32\stm32f401 ... and at that point just pick the one I want from the list. if I need to search I go to f:\stm32 and searchbox from there.
2017-06-02T10:56:40 < dongs> why the fuck would important shit ilke datasheets/etc be in downloads
2017-06-02T10:56:43 < rajkosto> global thermonuclear war, when ?
2017-06-02T10:57:02 < dongs> so what the fuck is up with bssrl/h
2017-06-02T10:57:06 < zyp> to me that seems like so much time wasted on organization when you can just do whatever and it works
2017-06-02T10:57:11 < dongs> is that literally just the set and reset part of the same register?
2017-06-02T10:57:14 < dongs> refman calls it one thing
2017-06-02T10:57:18 < dongs> stm header , another
2017-06-02T10:57:52 < dongs> zyp, well i'm already autistic, organizing docs is OK to me.
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2017-06-02T10:57:58 < zyp> well, BSRR is a single 32-bit register
2017-06-02T10:58:10 < zyp> which consists of a set part and a clear part
2017-06-02T10:58:21 < dongs> yes, thats what it says in RM
2017-06-02T10:58:29 < dongs> but header has it in 2 separate uint16s
2017-06-02T10:58:31 < zyp> guess some assholes can't wrap their head around that and need to treat the parts differently
2017-06-02T10:58:54 < zyp> splitting it into two seems retarded, what if you want to set and clear bits at the same time?
2017-06-02T10:59:02 < zyp> set one and clear another as the same operation
2017-06-02T10:59:12 < dongs> worse: they start at offset 0x18 right
2017-06-02T10:59:18 < dongs> they call THAT one BSSRL
2017-06-02T10:59:28 < dongs> and the one after it, BSSRH
2017-06-02T10:59:30 < dongs> or whatever
2017-06-02T10:59:37 < dongs> so the high bits are actualyl in the L register
2017-06-02T10:59:43 < zyp> uh, no
2017-06-02T10:59:45 < dongs> no?
2017-06-02T10:59:48 < zyp> it's little endian
2017-06-02T11:00:42 < zyp> first byte is low byte, last byte is high byte
2017-06-02T11:00:59 < zyp> just like almost every other shit today
2017-06-02T11:05:38 < crt> we're all fucking niggers
2017-06-02T11:05:43 < crt> good morning blaxter
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2017-06-02T11:06:52 < crt> amp6technology says its 9.06am
2017-06-02T11:07:44 < zyp> congrats
2017-06-02T11:09:25 < crt> thankyou.
2017-06-02T11:09:29 < Steffanx> Why st.com login is sooo fucking sloe.
2017-06-02T11:09:59 < Thorn> it runs on a discovery board
2017-06-02T11:10:13 < rene-dev> I used that to bitbang a port via dma. Very useful.
2017-06-02T11:10:36 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-02T11:11:02 < rajkosto> ya kids wanna buy some wow ?
2017-06-02T11:14:15 < Steffanx> Yeah mate.
2017-06-02T11:16:39 < Steffanx> Shit now the discovery is broken Thorn. Internal Server Error.
2017-06-02T11:17:29 < zyp> Steffanx, why did you break it? :(
2017-06-02T11:17:39 < Thorn> press reset
2017-06-02T11:17:56 < Steffanx> Need to call Streaker. Hes in india
2017-06-02T11:24:13 < dongs> zyp, i donno
2017-06-02T11:24:19 < dongs> BSSRL = turns off
2017-06-02T11:24:22 < dongs> BSSRH = turns on
2017-06-02T11:24:56 < dongs> oh, maybe its right. cuz SET = vcc
2017-06-02T11:25:07 < dongs> k whatever. doesnt matter, still dumb of them to split it
2017-06-02T11:25:20 < dongs> if I end up doing the software pwm on this later w/DMA i'll just point it to GPIOA+0x18 or wahtever
2017-06-02T11:25:31 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UvFdmyPK/IMG_0165.MP4
2017-06-02T11:25:51 < Thorn> if you don't want it split like that just use ODR
2017-06-02T11:26:01 < dongs> too much masking for odr, fuck that
2017-06-02T11:26:03 < Thorn> although BSSR is much more convenient
2017-06-02T11:26:10 < rajkosto> crt, what is that
2017-06-02T11:26:15 < dongs> anyway, just needed to make shit blink for now, got higher priority stuff like QTouch to bring up first
2017-06-02T11:26:55 < crt> serious hardware mate
2017-06-02T11:27:14 < rajkosto> just looks like a wall adapter
2017-06-02T11:27:50 < crt> yeah its my latest invention
2017-06-02T11:28:02 < crt> i innovated it so i can use my dick shaver at laurenceb_'s place
2017-06-02T11:29:02 < dongs> do ausfags realyl use those retarded sadface looking power plugs
2017-06-02T11:29:06 < crt> yes
2017-06-02T11:29:11 < dongs> terrible
2017-06-02T11:29:15 < dongs> im never going to australia
2017-06-02T11:29:24 < crt> it's a horrible place
2017-06-02T11:29:34 < crt> so horrible they're going to make a nuclear waste dump there
2017-06-02T11:31:19 < rajkosto> fuckin kangaroos
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2017-06-02T11:32:03 < crt> ikr
2017-06-02T11:33:48 < crt> better look, burns' suit.
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2017-06-02T11:55:58 < Steffanx> Damn this lwip is horrible.
2017-06-02T11:56:36 < Steffanx> Showing some adc valur by hacking the decimals into some buffer at magic offsets
2017-06-02T11:57:11 < dongs> better use node.js
2017-06-02T11:57:20 < dongs> and ESP14/88
2017-06-02T12:07:54 < Steffanx> Yes. But. No.
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2017-06-02T12:21:52 < ohsix> boop
2017-06-02T12:22:11 < ohsix> Steffanx: make it betttterrr ;]
2017-06-02T12:22:33 < ohsix> someone wrote another one in rust, you can interoperate with c but getting it all going might not be worth it for that
2017-06-02T12:23:14 < crt> Hello welcome!
2017-06-02T12:23:21 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-02T12:24:08 < ohsix> Lux: beep? was thinking last night about random shit, and about using floats in say, a flight controller; won't the output be quantized to 10 bits or whatever the pwm will do anyways?
2017-06-02T12:33:09 < ohsix> Lux: disregarding small epsilon junk that is useful in intermediate calculations, of course
2017-06-02T12:34:19 < ohsix> rajkosto: heheheh 00:34 < rajkosto> i MAY NEED THEM LATER
2017-06-02T12:34:53 < ohsix> i feel the same, and a few years ago i noticed that i end up looking at the same stuff over time anyways, like, 'oh i wanted to read about that' and i keep a second, a third, etc tabs
2017-06-02T12:35:40 < ohsix> i don't do it, but i should print to pdf the articles that i want to 'read'. even when i try to clean house there's bound to be a link or two per that i'd also like to read, and it doesn't get better
2017-06-02T12:37:42 < ohsix> another random question for whomever, is there a word for long pseudorandom sequences of a given number of bits (say, 200) that have an average value ideally at least the next 100 bits after would be significantly different from the last 100, with same average value
2017-06-02T12:39:20 < ohsix> or even short sequences i guess, if you used an error accumulator to track the average
2017-06-02T12:39:41 < zyp> crt, those power plugs reminds me of the old style phone outlets we had here before RJ45 took over
2017-06-02T12:39:49 < crt> hmmm
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2017-06-02T12:40:16 < crt> this is the cancer we had before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600_series_connector
2017-06-02T12:40:21 < zyp> oh, they were angled the other way: https://www.kjell.com/no/image/Product_317556no/full/1?635798063302236114
2017-06-02T12:40:45 < ohsix> lul
2017-06-02T12:40:53 < ohsix> not a bad way to shitpost crt
2017-06-02T12:40:57 < ohsix> you'd be good on twitter
2017-06-02T12:41:21 < crt> yeah those ones look hilarious
2017-06-02T12:41:37 < crt> \./
2017-06-02T12:41:55 < ohsix> there's a thing at ace hardware that says they won't make cables that have plugs on both ends, because it is deadly heheh
2017-06-02T12:42:06 < ohsix> i guess enough people asked ...
2017-06-02T12:44:41 < dongs> It has no other common or standard use, either within Australia or beyond. However it is manufactured in other countries, usually in China, for export to Australia.
2017-06-02T12:44:44 < dongs> lol
2017-06-02T12:45:33 < crt> wikipedia in its full blown autism spec
2017-06-02T12:45:40 < zyp> hey, say
2017-06-02T12:45:47 < zyp> do you guys still get POTS?
2017-06-02T12:46:09 < crt> well kinda
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2017-06-02T12:46:18 < crt> dunno whats on the other end of the cable, could be fucking anything
2017-06-02T12:46:29 < crt> also, my friend voted this the most autistic article on wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_walking
2017-06-02T12:46:58 < zyp> I was just thinking, my parents place still have a couple of those old style outlets, since there were never a need to replace them
2017-06-02T12:47:06 < crt> better send them over
2017-06-02T12:47:11 < zyp> but newer places doesn't even have RJ45
2017-06-02T12:47:20 < crt> why not
2017-06-02T12:47:28 < zyp> because nobody gets landlines anymore
2017-06-02T12:48:13 < crt> yeah what kind of dumb mothe... oh
2017-06-02T12:48:17 < crt> yeah au is a dump
2017-06-02T12:48:50 < crt> the government cucked out of fibre to the premises networks
2017-06-02T12:48:58 < crt> whole thing is a piece of shit anyway
2017-06-02T12:49:10 < zyp> there's of course still POTS nets in use due to legacy reasons, but new stuff usually gets only fiber
2017-06-02T12:49:35 < crt> think of 50 years ago in your country, that is what australia is like to this minute
2017-06-02T12:49:36 < zyp> if people still want a landline, there's voip shit
2017-06-02T12:50:08 < crt> yeah
2017-06-02T12:50:24 < crt> well most innernets are shit here so voip barely works
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2017-06-02T12:51:09 < crt> sure if you can afford $1000 for internet you might get a decent connection
2017-06-02T12:51:14 < crt> a month
2017-06-02T12:51:33 < zyp> haha
2017-06-02T12:51:55 < crt> yeah i've only been on the receiving end of small business
2017-06-02T12:53:10 < crt> i have an absolute dog of an adsl connection at my factory
2017-06-02T12:53:49 < crt> 8mbit downstream... maybe 1mbit upstream
2017-06-02T12:53:57 < zyp> the provider where I live is kinda retarded, so I'm currently paying $83/mo for 80/15 or so
2017-06-02T12:54:07 < zyp> or maybe it was 80/20, don't remember
2017-06-02T12:54:27 < crt> yeah
2017-06-02T12:54:52 < crt> allow me to demonstrate, this is where i'm staying
2017-06-02T12:55:20 < crt> http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6345435187
2017-06-02T12:55:31 < BrainDamage> here pots is still available, and regularry piggybacked to provide vdsl links
2017-06-02T12:55:56 < BrainDamage> however there's a plan to provide capillary links of fiber to the end users by 2020
2017-06-02T12:56:12 < zyp> last place I lived, I paid $77/mo for 150/150
2017-06-02T12:56:35 < crt> maybe by the time i'm retired i might get 50/20 for that
2017-06-02T12:56:55 < zyp> the fiber market is still so sparse that one provider tends to have monopoly in each area
2017-06-02T12:57:06 < BrainDamage> in milan you can get 1000/100 for 35/mo
2017-06-02T12:57:06 < Steffanx> Better start a patreon crt
2017-06-02T12:57:12 < Steffanx> Get the munny
2017-06-02T12:57:15 < crt> Steffanx: nah can't do that
2017-06-02T12:57:18 < zyp> which lets them be assholes
2017-06-02T12:57:47 < BrainDamage> where I am best I could get is 300/30 for 60
2017-06-02T12:58:10 < BrainDamage> but currently am using 20/1 for 20 :p
2017-06-02T12:58:12 < crt> Steffanx: i can't ebeg until i have 5 youtube videos and 25 subs
2017-06-02T12:58:14 < zyp> if I had any real options to my current provider, I'd switch in a heartbeat
2017-06-02T12:58:49 < crt> that is the way of the jewish troll
2017-06-02T12:59:03 < BrainDamage> there's heavy competition here for both vdsl and fiber since they are new markets and government is partialy subsiding the adoption
2017-06-02T12:59:07 < ohsix> zyp: here people with dsl end up with phone service they'll never use (requiring that used to be legal)
2017-06-02T12:59:35 < zyp> ohsix, yeah, I think you have to pay some extra fee here to get DSL if POTS is not active
2017-06-02T12:59:52 < BrainDamage> same here
2017-06-02T12:59:52 < crt> the dog and bollocks
2017-06-02T12:59:55 < ohsix> cable tv here has a silly thing, they don't forbid it (since they can't) but they charge you a third of the price of basic cable on top if you don't have cable tv
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2017-06-02T13:00:25 < crt> its just a rort here
2017-06-02T13:00:43 < crt> pay more for adsl than adsl+pots
2017-06-02T13:02:35 < zyp> ohsix, oh, yeah, here they used to send analog unencrypted channels on cable, so if you got internet over cable you had to pay for the channels too
2017-06-02T13:02:58 < zyp> another place I used to live were like that
2017-06-02T13:03:23 < zyp> but the people who owned the house that the apartment were in already paid for the channels, I just got my own internet subscription on the cable
2017-06-02T13:03:49 < zyp> that was the same shitty company that I have now, except I now live in an area with fiber coverage
2017-06-02T13:04:21 < Steffanx> Is cable internet (using the same copper as the tv network) really just a thing in dutchland? We have vdsl and fibet, but vsdl tend to suck and fiber is expensive
2017-06-02T13:04:34 < ohsix> speaking of 'ota' cable, there are a lot of interesting signals on those things
2017-06-02T13:04:46 < crt> i live in an area where it took 25 years for a mcdonalds to be built
2017-06-02T13:04:56 < Steffanx> Where the copper gets you up to 300/30 (i think)
2017-06-02T13:04:58 < ohsix> as soon as i fall into some attenuators or find some for a dollar, going to peep at it with my sdr ;]
2017-06-02T13:06:06 < ohsix> almost all of them are in the 24-1700mhz too
2017-06-02T13:06:38 < ohsix> the cable box's diag mode & cable modems status page give off frequencies of the channels and some sideband data like the uplink & the ip addresses the bridge has
2017-06-02T13:07:05 < BrainDamage> 300/100 is the vdsl2 standard liit
2017-06-02T13:07:09 < BrainDamage> limit*
2017-06-02T13:07:27 < BrainDamage> but nobody offers that, they always limit you to 30
2017-06-02T13:07:32 < BrainDamage> because they are assholes
2017-06-02T13:07:35 < sync> yeah
2017-06-02T13:08:24 < sync> I have 7 darkfibers in my cellar, but they have a cable translator there and only give you 100/20 through cable
2017-06-02T13:09:16 < sync> cunts.
2017-06-02T13:09:21 < zyp> Steffanx, no, it's common here too
2017-06-02T13:09:31 < zyp> I just told you that I used to have it
2017-06-02T13:10:03 < Steffanx> Oh i missed that. Only read something about 100/100
2017-06-02T13:10:06 < zyp> IIRC I had 100/10 over cable
2017-06-02T13:10:25 < Steffanx> 150/150*
2017-06-02T13:10:43 < zyp> this provider is stingy with the upload
2017-06-02T13:11:00 < zyp> same provider that now gives me 80/15 over fiber
2017-06-02T13:11:03 < sync> they all are :/
2017-06-02T13:11:20 < zyp> nah, not the provider I had last year
2017-06-02T13:11:29 < zyp> but it's not available in the area where I live now :(
2017-06-02T13:12:56 < sync> I love how in germoney they are all fapping off to 50/10
2017-06-02T13:13:01 < sync> it is so stupid
2017-06-02T13:17:07 < crt> i like it
2017-06-02T13:17:15 < crt> GEMA probably cucked it
2017-06-02T13:17:35 < sync> negative
2017-06-02T13:19:07 < crt> heh
2017-06-02T13:19:35 < crt> i need some capacitors
2017-06-02T13:25:24 < ohsix> cool power strip in the last electroboom vidya, trying to find
2017-06-02T13:25:39 < ohsix> need someone to take my computer away when i do this kind of thing ;]
2017-06-02T13:26:35 < crt> there's a dog trapped inside your guitar!!
2017-06-02T13:38:12 < Steffanx> Oh noes.
2017-06-02T13:39:24 < crt> cream causes aids and is made from dead babies by paedophiles a shocking new report confirms
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2017-06-02T13:47:56 < Thorn> separation in a few min https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
2017-06-02T13:48:03 < Thorn> or right now
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2017-06-02T14:33:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p_D7U5pP4s
2017-06-02T14:34:04 < crt> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2017-06-02T14:35:36 < jadew> lol
2017-06-02T14:36:05 < dongs> wtf whats so funny
2017-06-02T14:36:08 < dongs> did i link to cp by accident
2017-06-02T14:36:21 < jadew> the video description, obviously
2017-06-02T14:36:29 < dongs> oh lel
2017-06-02T14:36:31 < dongs> i forgot about that
2017-06-02T14:36:37 < zyp> nice silk
2017-06-02T14:37:16 < Steffanx> No happy hardcore?
2017-06-02T14:37:33 < dongs> silcense in my office today
2017-06-02T14:37:36 < dongs> silence, too
2017-06-02T14:38:47 < Thorn> I read there is a government program in Japan to make workers leave earlier on Fridays
2017-06-02T14:39:09 < Thorn> but they're still afraid to
2017-06-02T14:39:31 < dongs> yes
2017-06-02T14:39:33 < dongs> premium friday
2017-06-02T14:39:37 < dongs> its as retarded as it sounds
2017-06-02T14:39:46 < Thorn> I wonder how well dongs and Japanese work ethics match
2017-06-02T14:39:47 < dongs> and it realyl doenst provide any benefit
2017-06-02T14:39:55 < dongs> thorn, i dont work for a japanese company
2017-06-02T14:40:30 < Steffanx> Korean.
2017-06-02T14:40:37 < dongs> i dont work for korean ones either
2017-06-02T14:41:00 < BrainDamage> even if you'd go out earlier, would there be anyone out to interact with?
2017-06-02T14:41:54 < crt> SNIFF
2017-06-02T14:42:12 < dongs> all that has to happen to ruin premium friday is boss staying at work
2017-06-02T14:42:16 < dongs> and you cant leave until he does
2017-06-02T14:42:19 < dongs> rip japs
2017-06-02T14:42:57 < jadew> so if you want your employees to work on that friday you have to stick around?
2017-06-02T14:43:03 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-02T14:43:44 < zyp> when I worked at STE, there was this guy at STE japan department that often left work at around the same time as me
2017-06-02T14:43:52 < zyp> despite the 7 hour timezone difference
2017-06-02T14:44:21 < jadew> part-time worker maybe?
2017-06-02T14:44:27 < zyp> no
2017-06-02T14:44:54 < dongs> >  at around the same time as me
2017-06-02T14:44:56 < dongs> so liek 1am?
2017-06-02T14:45:30 < zyp> more like 23-ish
2017-06-02T14:45:47 < zyp> hmm, I might be exaggregating
2017-06-02T14:47:41 < zyp> or he might have been working late on purpose to catch phone meetings with other EU departments, idk
2017-06-02T14:48:16 < zyp> either way, there were a couple of times I were wondering "wtf, why are you at work now?"
2017-06-02T14:52:17 < crt> wut is ste
2017-06-02T14:52:44 < zyp> ST Ericsson
2017-06-02T14:53:17 < crt> i see
2017-06-02T14:53:39 < zyp> so, did you meet Laurenceb_ yet?
2017-06-02T14:53:48 < crt> no i'm in australia currently
2017-06-02T14:53:58 < crt> i don't think Laurenceb_ wants to meet
2017-06-02T14:54:15 < Laurenceb_> nah I can meet if you are in midlands
2017-06-02T14:55:12 < crt> what the fuck is midlands
2017-06-02T14:55:38 < Laurenceb_> like half way up
2017-06-02T14:55:52 < crt> apparently i land at heathrow
2017-06-02T14:56:34 < crt> let me read some emails
2017-06-02T14:57:54 < Steffanx> Debry is the place to be.
2017-06-02T14:57:56 < crt> wtf is a chessington
2017-06-02T14:58:01 < Steffanx> Derby.
2017-06-02T14:58:06 < crt> u wot mate
2017-06-02T14:58:32 < Laurenceb_> Chessington world of adventure?
2017-06-02T14:59:00 < crt> lol idk
2017-06-02T14:59:03 < crt> anyway
2017-06-02T14:59:16 < crt> when i land and assume some form of functionality i'll touch base on this rig
2017-06-02T14:59:39 < crt> my departure from 'straya is like ~23hrs away from this moment
2017-06-02T14:59:54 < zyp> how long's the flight?
2017-06-02T15:00:02 < crt> probably forever
2017-06-02T15:00:14 < crt> 14+7 hrs
2017-06-02T15:00:15 < zyp> yeah, that's what I figured too
2017-06-02T15:00:34 < zyp> hmm, 14 is not too bad
2017-06-02T15:00:40 < crt> thats the first part
2017-06-02T15:00:46 < crt> land in dubai wonder what the fuck is going on
2017-06-02T15:00:50 < BrainDamage> is the long part overnight?
2017-06-02T15:01:27 < zyp> I've done 12, and the bad part of that was that I landed/transferred in fucking france
2017-06-02T15:01:37 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-06-02T15:01:43 < crt> heh nice mr z
2017-06-02T15:01:43 < dongs> did you get paris syndrome while you were tehre
2017-06-02T15:01:47 < sync> > france
2017-06-02T15:01:53 < crt> BrainDamage: the bastard takes off ~930pm
2017-06-02T15:02:07 < crt> for the 14 hour dog of a flight
2017-06-02T15:02:15 < BrainDamage> get earplugs and an eye mask
2017-06-02T15:02:21 < crt> shall do
2017-06-02T15:02:27 < crt> i got a list of shit to pick up tomorrow
2017-06-02T15:02:40 < crt> all that fun last minute stuff
2017-06-02T15:02:44 < zyp> I think CDG is the worst airport I've ever been to
2017-06-02T15:02:50 < zyp> at least spent any significant time at
2017-06-02T15:03:02 < dongs> im off to taiwan dickstarter next week again
2017-06-02T15:03:12 < dongs> they're submitting some trash for CE
2017-06-02T15:03:13 < crt> crikey
2017-06-02T15:03:21 < crt> trash fails right
2017-06-02T15:03:25 < dongs> i hope so
2017-06-02T15:03:29 < dongs> their last shit failed miserably
2017-06-02T15:03:30 < crt> :D
2017-06-02T15:03:34 < dongs> after liek 10 revisions
2017-06-02T15:03:40 < crt> oh boy
2017-06-02T15:03:51 < zyp> haha
2017-06-02T15:05:57 < Steffanx> And what is your part in that all?
2017-06-02T15:06:04 < dongs> getting paid
2017-06-02T15:06:19 < zyp> that's the best part
2017-06-02T15:06:28 < dongs> and getting free flights to fuck around
2017-06-02T15:06:35 < crt> this itinerary is spot on
2017-06-02T15:06:40 < crt> Offered meal: meal.
2017-06-02T15:06:43 < zyp> haha
2017-06-02T15:06:47 < Steffanx> You dont do the hw that fails?
2017-06-02T15:07:03 < dongs> correct
2017-06-02T15:07:07 < dongs> my shit doesnt fail
2017-06-02T15:07:11 < zyp> Steffanx, if dongs did it, it wouldn't fail
2017-06-02T15:07:12 < zyp> fuck
2017-06-02T15:07:14 < dongs> nor requires 10 revisions
2017-06-02T15:07:54 < Steffanx> Hence i wanted to know. I couldnt believe it.
2017-06-02T15:09:21 < crt> the revised dog.
2017-06-02T15:09:57 < dongs> my patience is running a bit thin tho
2017-06-02T15:10:21 < dongs> when fuckwads call up right after i finish routing a board and shit out 10 more feaatures that they want added to it
2017-06-02T15:10:30 < zyp> haha
2017-06-02T15:11:45 < crt> sounds the norm
2017-06-02T15:11:55 < crt> those kind of fuckwads are found everywhere
2017-06-02T15:12:14 < crt> the repair will be done in 3 days?
2017-06-02T15:12:24 < crt> i guess the fuckwit at the desk didn't tell you i'm gone for the next 10!
2017-06-02T15:12:31 < crt> \rant over
2017-06-02T15:13:26 < Steffanx> Hah.
2017-06-02T15:13:32 < Steffanx> He will do the repairs
2017-06-02T15:13:45 < crt> hope so
2017-06-02T15:13:46 < Steffanx> And lose another client
2017-06-02T15:13:53 < crt> as planned
2017-06-02T15:14:37 < crt> think there comes a time to choose the right clients, avoid spending 70hrs a week chasing up unpaid bills
2017-06-02T15:15:08 < jadew> you give them their stuff back before they pay?
2017-06-02T15:15:24 < Lux> ohsix: ya, i think the output is in 1µs steps for the pwm esc stuff, imo the main reason is cause it's more readable and easier to work with
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2017-06-02T15:16:24 < crt> jadew: apparently!
2017-06-02T15:16:41 < crt> i'm just the guy in the back running the workshop
2017-06-02T15:17:11 < jadew> I have a friend who was in your position a couple of years back
2017-06-02T15:17:16 < crt> i made the mother of all fuckups, an assumption, assuming everything else was being done properly
2017-06-02T15:17:17 < jadew> he started his own thing
2017-06-02T15:17:19 < jadew> didn't regret it
2017-06-02T15:17:29 < dongs> crt.dj
2017-06-02T15:17:33 < crt> lel
2017-06-02T15:19:54 < jadew> crt, I thought you run the thing
2017-06-02T15:20:07 < dongs> < jadew> crt, I thought you ruin the thing
2017-06-02T15:20:07 < crt> well so did i
2017-06-02T15:20:08 < dongs> ftfy
2017-06-02T15:21:13 < crt> a partnership between a friend and an investor
2017-06-02T15:21:20 < crt> i won't make the same mistake twice
2017-06-02T15:21:44 < dongs> now they're shipping you off to uk to smuggle in some DJ gear?
2017-06-02T15:21:56 < crt> not them
2017-06-02T15:23:28 < crt> long story short, i'll probably end up being poached
2017-06-02T15:24:03 < crt> which doesn't bother me, this is more a short term project i'm working on here
2017-06-02T15:24:28 < crt> i don't intend to actually be working on the floor but surely will remain a stakeholder
2017-06-02T15:25:44 < Steffanx> Crt will become the pumper?
2017-06-02T15:25:50 < crt> nope
2017-06-02T15:26:09 < crt> i don't worry about the size of my penis
2017-06-02T15:33:43 < crt> riveting story though hey
2017-06-02T15:34:55 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/J2elcfU.jpg
2017-06-02T15:35:19 < crt> oh that guy again
2017-06-02T15:35:54 < jadew> what guy?
2017-06-02T15:36:14 < jadew> the guy in the plane? (you can see his foot)
2017-06-02T15:36:15 < crt> the guy who fell out of his plane
2017-06-02T15:36:28 < jadew> doesn't seem like he fell
2017-06-02T15:36:33 < crt> lol
2017-06-02T15:36:38 < jadew> he's trapped in there
2017-06-02T15:42:54 < crt> yeah
2017-06-02T15:43:07 < crt> i don't really know if i should take amusement to it
2017-06-02T15:43:18 < crt> he could have snapped his neck and died.
2017-06-02T15:43:25 < sync> he didn't
2017-06-02T15:44:41 < crt> i guess
2017-06-02T15:45:25 < crt> i know who did (nsfw) http://5wheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/porsche-girl-1-6jpg-235x165.jpg
2017-06-02T15:46:01 < sync> interesting
2017-06-02T15:49:00 < crt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Catsouras_photographs_controversy
2017-06-02T15:49:50 < crt> don't fuck with F=MA
2017-06-02T15:52:25 < tpw_rules> actually, don't fuck with J=∫Fdt
2017-06-02T15:54:32 < Steffanx> Keil experts. Is there a way in keil to show the connected cpu?
2017-06-02T15:54:39 < Steffanx> Using ulink2 and swd
2017-06-02T15:54:43 < Steffanx> Or jtag
2017-06-02T15:58:49 < crt> man
2017-06-02T16:01:17 < crt> i better pump off
2017-06-02T16:04:57 < englishman> crt, no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MYcVrZO3ow
2017-06-02T16:06:29 < crt> Hi
2017-06-02T16:06:56 < crt> Thanks for coming
2017-06-02T16:07:12 < crt> IRC is more fun with englishdongs
2017-06-02T16:07:25 < crt> How is seppuku
2017-06-02T16:08:12 < englishman> harakiri
2017-06-02T16:08:14 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UvFdmyPK/IMG_0165.MP4
2017-06-02T16:08:24 < englishman> yes i clicked
2017-06-02T16:08:32 < englishman> your bidness partner seems like a real smarty
2017-06-02T16:08:43 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-02T16:11:01 < englishman> https://i.imgtc.com/5Zie5fg.jpg
2017-06-02T16:11:44 < Steffanx> No keil experts :S
2017-06-02T16:11:52 < crt> An excellent tom
2017-06-02T16:12:19 < crt> We're all using gcc and eclipse mate
2017-06-02T16:12:21 < englishman> of course not steffy nobody uses that
2017-06-02T16:13:05 < englishman> you mean the connected part #?
2017-06-02T16:13:13 < englishman> or debug serial #
2017-06-02T16:14:48 < Steffanx> I mean coreid, cpu id etc englishman
2017-06-02T16:14:55 < Steffanx> I want to know what ulink sees
2017-06-02T16:15:53 < englishman> isnt this shown in the debugger setup
2017-06-02T16:15:55 < englishman> when attached
2017-06-02T16:16:00 < englishman> thought it might be debugger serial #
2017-06-02T16:16:20 < Steffanx> It shows just the IDCode, but..
2017-06-02T16:17:47 < zyp> butt
2017-06-02T16:18:28 < crt> Rapeseed
2017-06-02T16:19:00 < Steffanx> I want to see more than just that.
2017-06-02T16:20:23 < crt> These crappy stroopwafel apparent have RAPEseed
2017-06-02T16:21:30 < crt> Is that what is removed when a rapist inseminates a dog
2017-06-02T16:24:16 < englishman> its canola
2017-06-02T16:25:05 < englishman> your incessant memeing has caused towns to suffer their livelihood https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/22/canadian-town-tisdale-land-of-rape-and-honey-slogan
2017-06-02T16:25:25 < Thorn> deorbit burn and landing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2017-06-02T16:43:41 < Laurenceb_> of what?
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2017-06-02T16:44:07 < zyp> soyuz with people returning from ISS
2017-06-02T16:46:02 < Steffanx> Why. When under reset jtag should still work right?
2017-06-02T16:46:15 < zyp> stm32? yes
2017-06-02T16:46:18 < Steffanx> Was able to program my lpc one, and now its dead
2017-06-02T16:46:21 < Steffanx> Lpc this is.
2017-06-02T16:46:26 < Steffanx> Once*
2017-06-02T16:46:47 < zyp> IIRC lpc43xx weren't very cooperating when in reset
2017-06-02T16:47:04 < zyp> which is part of the reason I didn't do much with that
2017-06-02T16:47:10 < Steffanx> This 1778 isnt either
2017-06-02T16:47:43 < Thorn> it requires a checksum in the firmware
2017-06-02T16:47:58 < zyp> that's also true, but unrelated
2017-06-02T16:47:59 < Thorn> if the checksum is incorrect the bootloader will boot instead
2017-06-02T16:48:23 < Thorn> maybe that is what's happening
2017-06-02T16:49:09 < Steffanx> But then jtag or swd should still work
2017-06-02T16:50:03 < Steffanx> Might also be an hw issue though, maybe my first led blinky killed something
2017-06-02T16:51:03 < crt> I like
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2017-06-02T16:54:58 < Streaker> Steffanx: you can see that directly in stlink utility iirc
2017-06-02T16:56:01 < Steffanx> But this is lpc
2017-06-02T16:56:11 < Streaker> oops
2017-06-02T16:56:29 < crt> Put some clothes on
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2017-06-02T17:26:21 < dongs> http://www.visir.is/g/2017170609793/thungur-domur-i-tug-milljon-krona-fjarsvikamali-kickstarter-brodur
2017-06-02T17:26:40 < Laurenceb_> wew job adverts
2017-06-02T17:26:43 < Laurenceb_> SCADA and PLC engineer
2017-06-02T17:26:55 < Laurenceb_>  skilled in programming using C++/C#, .NET framework, VB, VBA, SQL, HTML, JavaScript and PHP
2017-06-02T17:26:58 < Laurenceb_> literally wut
2017-06-02T17:28:28 < Laurenceb_> G.U.I. in visual basic
2017-06-02T17:33:04 < englishman> dongs, have you found a way to lock altidumb toolbars
2017-06-02T17:33:13 < englishman> im constantly dragging them around accidentally
2017-06-02T17:33:27 < dongs> yeah, something is fucked in mine too
2017-06-02T17:33:29 < dongs> i never use them either'
2017-06-02T17:33:36 < dongs> b ut somehow they got changed
2017-06-02T17:33:40 < dongs> and now switching between sch and pcb
2017-06-02T17:33:46 < dongs> does some kinda relayout of that area of screen
2017-06-02T17:33:48 < dongs> flickering/aids
2017-06-02T17:33:51 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-02T17:34:32 < dongs> i supose y ou could turn them all off
2017-06-02T17:40:03 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/642275/You#804b65_816361
2017-06-02T17:40:44 < dongs> oh englishman
2017-06-02T17:40:46 < dongs> i got cable quotez
2017-06-02T17:40:51 < englishman> nice
2017-06-02T17:41:02 < Laurenceb_> https://queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com/wp/docs/2016/04/Screen-Shot-2016-04-07-at-11.05.21-AM-670x418.jpg
2017-06-02T17:41:46 < Laurenceb_> what cable dongs?
2017-06-02T17:41:49 < englishman> are there any pro BMS boards
2017-06-02T17:41:52 < englishman> like something with a datashet
2017-06-02T17:41:59 < englishman> instead of banggood.com chinatrash for $3
2017-06-02T17:42:37 < dongs> ask Peter_M for bms reccomendations
2017-06-02T17:43:02 < englishman> thx for quote
2017-06-02T17:43:09  * Laurenceb_ was tying to order custom cable
2017-06-02T17:43:37 < Laurenceb_> shield - three conductors - shield - two conductors (twisted pair)
2017-06-02T17:43:45 < Laurenceb_> triax thingy
2017-06-02T17:43:52 < englishman> is it really 1-2 day lead time
2017-06-02T17:44:00 < dongs> englishman: overall is liek 18 days
2017-06-02T17:44:08 < dongs> 1-2 is for some connector parts etc
2017-06-02T17:44:09 < Laurenceb_> New England Wire quoted me 30 cents per meter
2017-06-02T17:44:12 < englishman> ah ok
2017-06-02T17:44:13 < Laurenceb_> MOQ 50km
2017-06-02T17:44:23 < Laurenceb_> pwnd
2017-06-02T17:44:26 < dongs> > New England Wire
2017-06-02T17:44:27 < englishman> and does that include the PCB or just "pcb solder" i guess pcb cost is pretty low so doesnt matter
2017-06-02T17:44:28 < dongs> this was your problem
2017-06-02T17:44:53 < dongs> englishman: i said you'd either provide assembled PCB or we can do a separate quote for pcb + pcba to add to that
2017-06-02T17:45:05 < dongs> right now thats just handsoldering trash to [existing pcb]
2017-06-02T17:45:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah I should have tried China, but needed tons of documented medical grade certificates
2017-06-02T17:45:07 < englishman> beep Peter_M
2017-06-02T17:45:15 < englishman> ah ok, thanks
2017-06-02T17:45:57 < dongs> some of those pin shits were like 10k/reel and I told her its probly cheaper to just buy reel and toss (the actual pins that get crimped on wire) but it looks like she didnt listen that 6k @ $120 for the pin parts sounds prettty retarded
2017-06-02T17:46:05 < dongs> 10k/chinareel that is
2017-06-02T17:46:54 < englishman> i dont think they'll care, they just paid $600 or so for sample cables from digikey
2017-06-02T17:47:01 < dongs> snort
2017-06-02T17:47:10 < dongs> well double your end of invoice then
2017-06-02T17:47:17 < englishman> considering it yeah
2017-06-02T17:48:01 < dongs> when i was checkign some of those connectors i notices digijew sells JST pin+wire sets
2017-06-02T17:48:06 < dongs> for liek 35c/ea
2017-06-02T17:48:08 < englishman> yep
2017-06-02T17:48:13 < englishman> of which i bought 250
2017-06-02T17:54:25 < englishman> this is great, thanks
2017-06-02T17:54:39 < sync> Laurenceb_: well then 15k doesn't sound bad
2017-06-02T17:54:40 < englishman> laurence should have used Old England Wire
2017-06-02T17:54:56 < englishman> where some elderly chap spins each cable by hand from sheepgut
2017-06-02T17:55:44 < Laurenceb_> sync: yeah, but New England Wire have a line setup where they could just press a button
2017-06-02T17:55:57 < Laurenceb_> I know as they made the same product for Phillips
2017-06-02T17:56:19 < Laurenceb_> in the end I had to buy Phillips sensors and rips the cables off
2017-06-02T17:56:44 < sync> that is why it only cost 30ct/m
2017-06-02T17:59:11 < englishman> http://www.emdrive-mobility.com/
2017-06-02T17:59:12 < englishman> emdrive
2017-06-02T17:59:14 < englishman> triggered
2017-06-02T18:00:04 < dongs> haha
2017-06-02T18:01:24 < Laurenceb_> thats my trigger word
2017-06-02T18:01:29 < Laurenceb_> out of my safespace
2017-06-02T18:01:32 < Laurenceb_> woah
2017-06-02T18:01:39 < Laurenceb_> those things are pretty sweet
2017-06-02T18:01:53 < Laurenceb_> kakimir btfo
2017-06-02T18:09:51 < ReadError> https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/06/02/dont-put-wasp-nests-in-your-vagina/#3da458266220
2017-06-02T18:25:43 < dongs> sound advice
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2017-06-02T18:45:58 < Streaker> KEIL Question: after installing ARM.CMSIS.xxx.pack do I also install Keil.STM32F1xx_DFP.xxx.pack?
2017-06-02T18:46:15 < Streaker> (for an STM32F103)
2017-06-02T18:47:05 < Streaker> What does the Keil.STM32F1xx_DFP provide?
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2017-06-02T18:57:28 < dongs> you could use packs or could not use
2017-06-02T18:57:39 < dongs> the _DFP is basically just stdperiphlib+hal and some patches to official ST release
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2017-06-02T19:16:16 < Streaker> What's the alternative to using a pack? Unzip files directly to your build directory? Wouldn't that be the same except that you now have files in non-standard locations?
2017-06-02T19:18:51 < dongs> i donno. all my projects are standalone so they don't need to depend on a particular pack or keil version etc
2017-06-02T19:19:22 < dongs> i check [x] No auto includes in project settings to make sure it doesnt pull random shit from somewhere
2017-06-02T19:19:40 < dongs> makes it easier to source control them etc
2017-06-02T19:19:50 < dongs> a single checkout brings out a complete buildable project
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2017-06-02T19:25:40 < dongs> upgrdman: , Tectu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p_D7U5pP4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YfIm4EUrd4
2017-06-02T19:28:55 < englishman> Canada rents massive, counterfeit duck for 150th anniversary celebration
2017-06-02T19:29:16 < dongs> duck? shouldnt it be maple tree
2017-06-02T19:33:40 < Rob235> man I can't wake up, been sitting here with my eyes closed for 90 minutes hoping to snap out of it.  maybe another 200mg of caffeine will help
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2017-06-02T19:51:48 < englishman> of course the dutch are involved somehow
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2017-06-02T20:11:20 < Streaker> http://www.dx.com/s/Autism
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2017-06-02T20:17:16 < upgrdman> dongs, re: captouch/lcd, nice
2017-06-02T20:18:01 < Rob235> what are the different footprints: stm32-lqfp100-l -m -n -v ?
2017-06-02T20:19:12 < englishman> open the datasheet
2017-06-02T20:22:43 < Rob235> I dont see any, just lqfp100
2017-06-02T20:28:44 < upgrdman> guessing m = minimal, n = nominal
2017-06-02T20:28:52 < upgrdman> as in, pad size
2017-06-02T20:28:58 < upgrdman> v = ? very big?
2017-06-02T20:29:16 < upgrdman> -l is least
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2017-06-02T20:31:15 < upgrdman> -m might be most, now that i think about i
2017-06-02T20:31:19 < upgrdman> it
2017-06-02T20:31:30 < upgrdman> ya, least, nominal, most
2017-06-02T20:37:21 < Rob235> so n is good for anything
2017-06-02T20:37:31 < Rob235> ill stick w/ that
2017-06-02T20:44:23 < Thorn> my atx psu shuts down when I try to pwm it (a 12V line), any cure (my lab psu is busy powering another part of the setup)
2017-06-02T20:44:51 < Thorn> maybe it doesn't like the turn off ringing
2017-06-02T20:45:47 < upgrdman> Thorn, the load is being pwm'd?
2017-06-02T20:46:01 < Thorn> yes a led strip
2017-06-02T20:46:46 < upgrdman> hmm. trying puts lots of capacitance on the psu output, and check the voltage. it it's not clean, clean it with tvs or equiv
2017-06-02T20:47:12 < Thorn> trying a 1n5819
2017-06-02T20:47:16 < Thorn> for now
2017-06-02T20:47:29 < upgrdman> well what does the rail look like
2017-06-02T20:47:35 < upgrdman> dont just blindly try things
2017-06-02T20:50:23 < Thorn> btw if I turn the mosfet on w/o any pwm the psu starts up and lights up the strip
2017-06-02T20:50:36 < Thorn> when I decrease duty cycle to <100% it shuts down
2017-06-02T20:51:35 < Thorn> there is significant ringing on the drain at turn off
2017-06-02T20:51:41 < sync> how big of a load is it?
2017-06-02T20:53:10 < Thorn> the led strip is ~3A @ 100%
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2017-06-02T21:12:45 < Rob235> so how do I learn how to make a schematic for a stm32f407vg :P
2017-06-02T21:18:49 < Steffanx> By doing
2017-06-02T21:19:11 < Rob235> how though
2017-06-02T21:19:36 < Rob235> i'm watching a youtube video that is using an atmel maybe that will be a good starting point
2017-06-02T21:20:00 < Steffanx> Lool up how to make parts, add parts, add wires
2017-06-02T21:20:06 < Steffanx> Look*
2017-06-02T21:20:34 < Steffanx> Look a bit at reference schematics (maybe disco) and other projects
2017-06-02T21:20:42 < Steffanx> Ask dongs
2017-06-02T21:20:51 < rajkosto> Rob235, "density"
2017-06-02T21:21:19 < Steffanx> Whats u using Rob235? Kicad?
2017-06-02T21:21:22 < Steffanx> Altium?
2017-06-02T21:21:26 < Rob235> altium
2017-06-02T21:21:26 < Steffanx> EAGLE?
2017-06-02T21:21:52 < Thorn> the diode doesn't help because Vdd is also ringing :/
2017-06-02T21:22:00 < Rob235> im looking at the pixhawk files
2017-06-02T21:22:18 < Thorn> Rob235: there is a getting started appnote
2017-06-02T21:22:19 < Rob235> the disco is a good idea too though
2017-06-02T21:22:29 < Thorn> google getting started stm32f4
2017-06-02T21:22:47 < rajkosto> what if you have a f1
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2017-06-02T21:23:07 < Rob235> ok
2017-06-02T21:23:18 < Thorn> the ringing is also present with a resistor load (connected by short wires)
2017-06-02T21:23:28 < BrainDamage> f1 is rather ancient and a bi different than the others
2017-06-02T21:23:35 < Steffanx> Dont forget the altium intro tutorials Rob235
2017-06-02T21:24:01 < Thorn> appnote for F1 http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/6c/a3/24/49/a5/d4/4a/db/CD00164185.pdf/files/CD00164185.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00164185.pdf
2017-06-02T21:24:12 < BrainDamage> they changed the internal structure, and the stlink v1 has a really fugly hack that causes some problems ( it creates a fake usb drive to present docs, and fails hard at it)
2017-06-02T21:28:13 < BrainDamage> are you all sharing the controls in the group game?
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2017-06-02T21:42:26 < rajkosto> i wish more chips that took oscillators had a clock output line (configurable to be before/after the pll)
2017-06-02T21:48:13 < BrainDamage> er, I just realized my last message was in the wrong channel
2017-06-02T21:52:22 < Steffanx> oops, but no one noticed BrainDamage :P
2017-06-02T22:05:03 < upgrdman> wtf. looking for an 8ch 12bit 500kSPS ADC, and cheapest is like $5 for qty1. an tssop stm32 is under $1 and can do this.
2017-06-02T22:08:14 < rajkosto> upgrdman, how monotonic is the stm32 tho
2017-06-02T22:08:25 < upgrdman> decent enough for my task
2017-06-02T22:08:46 < rajkosto> could you use it for audio without maximum jitter
2017-06-02T22:08:59 < upgrdman> dont know, dont care
2017-06-02T22:11:18 < Rob235> what do the 8 100nF caps connected to VBAT do?
2017-06-02T22:14:05 < rajkosto> where
2017-06-02T22:16:04 < Rob235> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/70/fe/4a/3f/e7/e1/4f/7d/DM00039084.pdf/files/DM00039084.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00039084.pdf
2017-06-02T22:16:06 < Rob235> pg 28
2017-06-02T22:17:33 < rajkosto> they are connected to vdd
2017-06-02T22:17:49 < rajkosto> there is no battery used on this board
2017-06-02T22:17:54 < rajkosto> so vbat is shorted to vdd
2017-06-02T22:20:00 < rajkosto> they just used that empty space on the schematic to put the caps there
2017-06-02T22:20:19 < Rob235> so its 8 caps in parallel connected to vdd for what, smoothing the power out or something?
2017-06-02T22:20:26 < rajkosto> probably one per vdd pin
2017-06-02T22:20:31 < rajkosto> you need it for decoupling
2017-06-02T22:20:48 < Rob235> blah, i have no idea what im doing, maybe I should start with more basic stuff
2017-06-02T22:21:02 < rajkosto> google datasheet for decoupling
2017-06-02T22:21:44 < rajkosto> just put one 100nF cap near each power pin and a 10uF for each rail near the chip somewhere
2017-06-02T22:21:53 < rajkosto> will work
2017-06-02T22:22:02 < rajkosto> s/google/search
2017-06-02T22:22:23 < rajkosto> its in Recommendations
2017-06-02T22:22:36 < Thorn> + 2.2uF per Vcap  pin
2017-06-02T22:23:16 < rajkosto> just use the reference design (which is overkill but will work)
2017-06-02T22:23:37 < Thorn> those 100nF must be VERY close to their power pins
2017-06-02T22:23:46 < rajkosto> the recommendations has an image for it :P
2017-06-02T22:24:52 < rajkosto> hint: 2 layer pcb will be MUCH MUCH trickier to route the power stuff on than 4 layer
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2017-06-02T22:57:17 < invzim> 1.27mm pin header/box for - going to use this to save a little space, smd or pth?
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2017-06-02T22:57:40 < invzim> a few of the signals will likely be from bottom anyway, and I don't plan on fitting it in production
2017-06-02T23:00:38 < zyp> for swd?
2017-06-02T23:01:22 < zyp> smt is easier to route, pth tends to leave no gap to go between pins
2017-06-02T23:01:45 < invzim> swd and altera jtag
2017-06-02T23:01:50 < rajkosto> i managed to solder a 1.27mm pin header by hand
2017-06-02T23:01:59 < rajkosto> and route it with 5/5
2017-06-02T23:02:04 < rajkosto> through hole
2017-06-02T23:02:38 < invzim> the tag-connect connectors look nice, but a little pricey
2017-06-02T23:02:58 < invzim> http://www.tag-connect.com/
2017-06-02T23:03:15 < rajkosto> it REALLY looks like its gonna short tho, lol
2017-06-02T23:14:25 < zyp> yeah, I like tag-connect
2017-06-02T23:15:13 < zyp> especially if area is a premium
2017-06-02T23:15:36 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NjEyT.JPG
2017-06-02T23:16:09  * Steffanx grabs popcorn and waits for the haters
2017-06-02T23:16:17 < Thorn> http://www.tubebooks.org/ lol
2017-06-02T23:16:33 < sync> they have some great books m8
2017-06-02T23:19:45 < invzim> zyp: where did you get them?
2017-06-02T23:21:13 < zyp> get what?
2017-06-02T23:21:33 < zyp> I ordered my tag-connect cable from the official site
2017-06-02T23:22:04 < zyp> think it was something silly like almost $50 for the cable and even more in shipping
2017-06-02T23:22:46 < zyp> but considering I've now used on something like 700+ boards, I think I'm well past the break-even point compared to putting normal swd sockets on them all
2017-06-02T23:23:08 < invzim> 39 for 10 pin, which is OK - but you know the drill with shipping, import handling fee, 25% on top of it all etc..
2017-06-02T23:23:29 < Rob235> what is a zero value resistor?
2017-06-02T23:24:00 < invzim> Rob235: you use it to isolate stuff
2017-06-02T23:24:02 < zyp> a resistor with a resistance of zero ohms
2017-06-02T23:24:17 < invzim> and you can replace it with a ferrite bead if needed later
2017-06-02T23:24:48 < invzim> fine for testing, say you have 3 chips and you want to measure how much each draws - hook into the 0 ohm resistor pad
2017-06-02T23:25:21 < zyp> eh, you do that on a devboard with actual jumpers
2017-06-02T23:25:37 < zyp> I'd say 0R is more common as configuration jumpers
2017-06-02T23:26:48 < invzim> ugh, quote on tag-connect:
2017-06-02T23:26:49 < invzim> Subtotal:	$39.00
2017-06-02T23:26:49 < invzim> Express Mail International :	$62.50
2017-06-02T23:26:50 < invzim> Order total:	$101.50
2017-06-02T23:27:12 < Steffanx> For the occational rage about em: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md  (bottom)
2017-06-02T23:27:35 < Steffanx> (c) aandrew
2017-06-02T23:28:47 < zyp> it's kinda one-sided since karlp refused to add my comments :)
2017-06-02T23:29:09 < Steffanx> Kinda sad. It's zypsnips in the first place.
2017-06-02T23:29:25 < Steffanx> time for another pull request
2017-06-02T23:32:42 < Rob235> what is VDD is that a regular net label?
2017-06-02T23:33:47 < invzim> Rob235: this is one use of 0r
2017-06-02T23:33:50 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3T0VGUTZaNGZ3VmM/view
2017-06-02T23:34:48 < invzim> keeps the voltage rails from being all mashed togheter during routing
2017-06-02T23:35:48 < Rob235> so how bad is this? https://imgur.com/a/TYdb0 haha
2017-06-02T23:36:00 < Rob235> i didnt place the vdd label
2017-06-02T23:36:58 < invzim> as I recently learned, it's a good-idea(tm) to make a schematic symbol with all alternate functions listed
2017-06-02T23:37:50 < Tectu> hi
2017-06-02T23:39:48 < Tectu> 14 hours in an ISO class 1 cleanroom with complete gowning.... that´s no place for am embedded dev... v__v
2017-06-02T23:42:13 < Rob235> any tips for me?
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2017-06-02T23:49:55 < zyp> Tectu, you're trying to say you're too dirty for that?
2017-06-02T23:50:12 < Tectu> lol
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2017-06-03T00:23:16 < englishman> lol more noob-connect chats
2017-06-03T00:25:34 < Steffanx> Hi englishman
2017-06-03T00:25:41 < zyp> englishman, not everybody wants to invent their own debug connectors :)
2017-06-03T00:25:59 < englishman> hi steffy!!!
2017-06-03T00:26:08 < zyp> see «I want a tool, not another project»
2017-06-03T00:26:25 < Steffanx> I restocked. 3.2kg waffles.
2017-06-03T00:26:37 < englishman> and not everybody has to, cortex-m debug connectors exist, are awesome, and stay in place when you take your fingers off.
2017-06-03T00:26:52 < englishman> also, not $100
2017-06-03T00:27:00 < zyp> in what qty?
2017-06-03T00:27:57 < zyp> like I said, I'm pretty sure mine has paid for itself already, probably a couple of times over
2017-06-03T00:29:51 < englishman> rabble rabble
2017-06-03T00:30:45 < Steffanx> Mature mature englishman
2017-06-03T00:44:34 < jadew> Rob235, why is VDD connected to GND?
2017-06-03T00:44:54 < Rob235> umm
2017-06-03T00:44:55 < jadew> also, VBAT
2017-06-03T00:45:00 < jadew> and those caps are all shorted
2017-06-03T00:45:14 < Rob235> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/70/fe/4a/3f/e7/e1/4f/7d/DM00039084.pdf/files/DM00039084.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00039084.pdf
2017-06-03T00:45:32 < Rob235> figure 11
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2017-06-03T00:46:18 < jadew> yeah, that's not what figure 11 shows
2017-06-03T00:47:26 < jadew> everything in your schematic is connected to ground
2017-06-03T00:47:47 < Rob235> yea i didnt get it either but im giving up for now
2017-06-03T00:48:00 < jadew> and you're missing a junction between C3 and C4
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2017-06-03T01:22:05 < upgrdman> altidongs pros
2017-06-03T01:22:07 < upgrdman> oops
2017-06-03T01:23:15 < upgrdman> altidongs pros: is there a way to make a component that is parameterized? like resistors... having a component for each value gets fucked pretty quick. is it possible to make a component for a certain series of resistors (e.g. Murata xyz series, 0603 1% blah blah blah)
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2017-06-03T02:08:07 < englishman> wat
2017-06-03T02:08:19 < englishman> What do you do now?
2017-06-03T02:09:05 < englishman> drag 0402 component into schematic. edit comment to reflect actual part.
2017-06-03T02:09:39 < englishman> anyway due to gay altidumb, comment field is the only one that carries over to PCB/bom, not value or voltage fields or any custom fields
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2017-06-03T02:39:30 < upgrdman> englishman, so when you generate the BoM, are you manually editing it
2017-06-03T02:40:13 < upgrdman> and if only the comment carries over, are you putting the specs, brand, and part number all in the comment?
2017-06-03T02:40:56 < upgrdman> seems kinda un-pro to have a BoM where the description, manuf, and part number are not separate columns, no?
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2017-06-03T02:41:15 < branjb> seems like something i'd do
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2017-06-03T02:42:05 < upgrdman> branjb, what, shove it all into the comment?
2017-06-03T02:42:17 < branjb> all un-pro like yeah
2017-06-03T02:42:44 < upgrdman> do you ever have professionally pcb assembly? not sure they would even take a shit BoM like that?
2017-06-03T02:42:50 < branjb> lol
2017-06-03T02:43:13 < upgrdman> unless you're doing it in china, and labor is ~free so they wont bitch too much
2017-06-03T02:43:28 < branjb> my PCB assembly consists of only having the digikey part # in the comment and then using digikeys import BOM to buy stuff
2017-06-03T02:43:42 < upgrdman> branjb, so you just hand assembled your boards?
2017-06-03T02:43:46 < branjb> yeah
2017-06-03T02:43:48 < branjb> un-pro
2017-06-03T02:43:53 < upgrdman> ya this is a pro project, not hobby.
2017-06-03T02:44:07 < upgrdman> but ya, for personal stuff, im lazy as fuck and dont even bother with a BoM
2017-06-03T02:44:10 < branjb> what is it?
2017-06-03T02:44:25 < branjb> for work or personal profit
2017-06-03T02:44:32 < upgrdman> current project is a fiber optic uart and some telemetry
2017-06-03T02:44:35 < upgrdman> work
2017-06-03T02:44:47 < branjb> what do the other PCB guys at work do
2017-06-03T02:45:19 < upgrdman> branjb, they're pro and have components for everything. like a schlib with 10,000 resistors in it
2017-06-03T02:45:24 < upgrdman> feels dirty as fuck tho, lol
2017-06-03T02:45:39 < branjb> jesus
2017-06-03T02:45:50 < branjb> different parts for 49.9 resistor vs 50?
2017-06-03T02:45:54 < upgrdman> but most of my co-workers are in cn, and i dont knwo what they do
2017-06-03T02:46:01 < upgrdman> BUT they use protel. fucking protel. no joke.
2017-06-03T02:46:08 < upgrdman> branjb, yes
2017-06-03T02:47:36 < englishman> upgrdman: wat
2017-06-03T02:47:58 < upgrdman> englishman, ?
2017-06-03T02:48:22 < englishman> CAP 0.1u 50V 0402
2017-06-03T02:48:26 < englishman> done
2017-06-03T02:48:33 < englishman> if you need more specs, add thrm
2017-06-03T02:48:36 < englishman> them
2017-06-03T02:48:43 < upgrdman> lol, let the chinese just pick whatever they want?
2017-06-03T02:48:50 < englishman> China will ignore them anyway
2017-06-03T02:48:55 < branjb> lol
2017-06-03T02:49:04 < englishman> If I need a part number, I put a part number
2017-06-03T02:49:05 < upgrdman> atm we're fabbing in the usa
2017-06-03T02:49:17 < upgrdman> but ya, when we go to cn, we expect fuckery like tha
2017-06-03T02:49:45 < englishman> if your design depends on a specific 0.1u decoupling cap, get a new design
2017-06-03T02:50:13 < englishman> ie, smt inductors
2017-06-03T02:50:25 < englishman> pretty much always a part number
2017-06-03T02:50:30 < englishman> or special resistors
2017-06-03T02:50:48 < upgrdman> englishman, it doesnt, lol, it just seems un-pro to not at least *recommend* a specific part for everything
2017-06-03T02:50:52 < englishman> value, voltage etc are for your reference, nobody else's
2017-06-03T02:50:54 < upgrdman> but thats fine. to each their own.
2017-06-03T02:51:10 < englishman> they probably already have 1m of those in stock
2017-06-03T02:51:30 < englishman> and would rather you specify what you want, rather than decode some part number
2017-06-03T02:52:49 < englishman> chances are the Samsung or murata cap isn't what they have anyway. Or better yet they can't even look it up, and there's another back and forth you have to do
2017-06-03T02:54:37 < upgrdman> one of my PRO pcbs: http://farrellf.com/temp/made_in_usa.jpg
2017-06-03T02:56:01 < jadew> what do you write on it if the board was made in china and you assembled it in the USA?
2017-06-03T02:56:26 < branjb> Assembled by Chinaman
2017-06-03T02:56:39 < upgrdman> made in usa of forgein and domestic products, or someshit like tghat
2017-06-03T02:56:52 < dongs> upgrdman: i dont bother with parametrized resistors. when you are in PCB view the only attributes you can search/sort by are comment
2017-06-03T02:57:09 < upgrdman> ok fair enough
2017-06-03T02:57:16 < dongs> upgrdman: so i have a RES0402 10K etc in comment, and a value attribute for display so i can show 10K on sch, thats all
2017-06-03T02:57:19 < dongs> same for caps
2017-06-03T02:57:32 < dongs> my library item is jsut default res0402 10K, which i copypaste and edit as needed.
2017-06-03T02:58:26 < dongs> i do have different library item for different sizes (0402, 0603 etc). i think thats the least annoying way, making 10000 resistors for different value just to get a different unique library ID is kinda waste of time. and doesnt help with assembly anyway.
2017-06-03T02:58:44 < dongs> cuz when you export for dicknplace, again only the comment stuff is guarnateed to be avialable everywhere
2017-06-03T02:58:56 < rajkosto> i think you should make a library item for each specific resistor you use
2017-06-03T02:59:05 < dongs> technically, yes
2017-06-03T02:59:08 < dongs> but fuck that
2017-06-03T02:59:30 < dongs> not a single altidumb pro that I know (actual pros getting paid to do work wiht it) do that
2017-06-03T03:00:43 < dongs> stm32-lqfp100-l -m -n -v ?
2017-06-03T03:00:47 < dongs> its IPC pad size
2017-06-03T03:01:04 < dongs> no idea about -v but normal, medium, large
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2017-06-03T04:15:56 < Laurenceb_> http://college.usatoday.com/2017/05/30/protests-erupt-over-racism-at-evergreen-state-college/
2017-06-03T04:15:58 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-06-03T04:16:09 < Laurenceb_> The students, fearful for their lives, began retreating towards the library and ultimately ended up in the Trans & Queer Center
2017-06-03T04:16:21 < Laurenceb_> this reads like the theme for a porno
2017-06-03T04:26:46 < upgrdman> dongs, https://i.redd.it/kabg2biid81z.jpg
2017-06-03T04:29:20 < rajkosto> why all you pros so racist
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2017-06-03T04:31:02 < upgrdman> rajkosto, only on irc. IRL im a normal, nice person
2017-06-03T04:31:46 < jadew> there's nothing racist about that picture
2017-06-03T04:31:53 < jadew> it's funny because of the racial connotations
2017-06-03T04:32:07 < jadew> but it's racist only if it's used in a mean way
2017-06-03T04:32:25 < upgrdman> interesting idea  https://i.redd.it/janfsilu1a1z.jpg
2017-06-03T04:32:30 < rajkosto> now why wont openocd detect anything on my jtag chain
2017-06-03T04:32:45 < rajkosto> detects fine in my other chain scanning software
2017-06-03T04:32:51 < rajkosto> (same adapter, same connections)
2017-06-03T04:33:02 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, now every guest can pee on the toilet paper you wipe your ass with
2017-06-03T04:33:18 < rajkosto> you pee sitting down ?
2017-06-03T04:33:46 < jadew> I sometimes do, but that's exactly when that wouldn't happen
2017-06-03T04:34:03 < rajkosto> you pee with the toilet seat down ?
2017-06-03T04:34:09 < rajkosto> when you put it up the toilet paper is at the top
2017-06-03T04:34:19 < jadew> that's a better question
2017-06-03T04:34:28 < rajkosto> i dont see how this makes things easier
2017-06-03T04:34:33 < jadew> and the answer is generally no, but I don't know what other people do
2017-06-03T04:34:41 < jadew> and I wouldn't trust them with my toilet paper
2017-06-03T04:34:47 < rajkosto> is the accessibility of the toilet paper a big problem ?
2017-06-03T04:34:57 < rajkosto> (i understand this is just "art" or whatever)
2017-06-03T04:35:17 < jadew> I guess you can wipe your ass directly with the paper from the roll
2017-06-03T04:35:41 < Streaker> Isn't that how you use toilet paper?
2017-06-03T04:35:50 < jadew> haha
2017-06-03T04:36:10 < Streaker> I find it too gross to touch toilet paper with my hands....
2017-06-03T04:37:19 < rajkosto> thanks for that mental image
2017-06-03T04:37:25 < rajkosto> someone grinding their ass on the toilet paper still on the stand
2017-06-03T04:38:08 < Streaker> ask me about what women do in the loo
2017-06-03T04:40:28 < upgrdman> nice UI design  https://i.imgur.com/QWLzbKA.gif
2017-06-03T04:56:43 < upgrdman> this guy knows how to gym  https://i.imgur.com/8K5Pmwy.gifv
2017-06-03T04:57:21 < upgrdman> oh, even better: https://i.imgur.com/6Gytvyw.gifv
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2017-06-03T05:47:57 < dongs> why dont you ask amp!six about UI design
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2017-06-03T05:53:15 < kakimir> Innovation Now!
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2017-06-03T06:47:41 < Cerpin> Alright, another possibly dumb question:
2017-06-03T06:48:51 < Cerpin> in stdperiphlib, the template system_stm32whatever file doesn't seem to have IRQ handler functions defined. Do I just define them myself, similar to how the MSP432 system file I've worked with previously does?
2017-06-03T06:49:10 < dongs> system_stm32 just sets up clock
2017-06-03T06:49:15 < Cerpin> A lot of what I'm seeing on google seems to indicate they should be there, in almost the same format
2017-06-03T06:49:16 < dongs> startup_stm32.s has vector names
2017-06-03T06:49:19 < dongs> no'
2017-06-03T06:49:25 < dongs> they can be anywhere in your code
2017-06-03T06:50:35 < crt> so
2017-06-03T06:50:44 < crt> i arrive at the currency exchange place right
2017-06-03T06:50:57 < crt> this ditzy looking chick looks up at me
2017-06-03T06:51:11 < crt> slap a wad of $50 notes on the desk
2017-06-03T06:51:14 < crt> I NEED TO BE POUNDED.
2017-06-03T06:51:23 < branjb> smooth
2017-06-03T06:51:38 < Cerpin> Agh, I totally meant startup
2017-06-03T06:51:40 < Cerpin> Not system
2017-06-03T06:51:53 < Cerpin> That's why I was confused, my bad
2017-06-03T06:52:17 < rajkosto> crt, what kind of place doenst take god almighty american doll hairs
2017-06-03T06:52:19 < crt> so how much does $1000aud get in pounds
2017-06-03T06:52:21 < crt> fuck all
2017-06-03T06:52:28 < rajkosto> oh they arent american, nvm
2017-06-03T06:52:58 < crt> walked out of there with 50p mate
2017-06-03T06:53:03 < crt> ass is so sore still
2017-06-03T06:53:11 < Cerpin> Yep, it's right there too, yay
2017-06-03T06:56:07 < crt> https://youtu.be/_hBPfSvwtiI?t=5m
2017-06-03T06:56:17 < crt> am i to expect people like this Laurenceb
2017-06-03T06:57:06 < crt> don
2017-06-03T06:57:35 < crt> don't ever get chinese food cause they will fucking eat anything
2017-06-03T06:57:38 < crt> old people, fannies
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2017-06-03T07:39:04 < crt> r2
2017-06-03T07:39:05 < Cerpin> Last thing for now: In ST's examples, they don't seem to ever directly reference the startup_stm32f4xx.s file, but mention various things are dependent on it
2017-06-03T07:39:21 < Cerpin> Where does it actually get incorporated into the code
2017-06-03T07:39:30 < crt> im getting deported from au
2017-06-03T07:39:35 < crt> they're sending me back to the UK
2017-06-03T07:39:48 < branjb> crtexit
2017-06-03T07:40:17 < crt> yeah i called the au prime minister a pumper
2017-06-03T07:44:10 < crt> 1 year of warm beer for me
2017-06-03T07:46:44 < emeb_mac> Cerpin: startup code is linked in with everything else in the final linker stage
2017-06-03T07:47:19 < emeb_mac> some toolchains use different startup code - eg. a C file instead of assy
2017-06-03T07:47:34 < Cerpin> Yeah
2017-06-03T07:49:00 < Cerpin> I do know that much from messing around, just wasn't sure if I had to explicitly include it somewhere or
2017-06-03T07:49:07 < crt> what a fucken piece a shiot
2017-06-03T07:49:10 < crt> ]shit
2017-06-03T07:49:36 < emeb_mac> you should include the startup_stm32fxxx.o file with all the other stuff you wrote in the final link step.
2017-06-03T07:50:16 < englishman> crt why did you go to uk with only 1000aud
2017-06-03T07:50:22 < englishman> thats like 3-4 bints of warm beer
2017-06-03T08:03:06 < crt> englishman: everything is paid for
2017-06-03T08:03:10 < crt> bar tab included
2017-06-03T08:06:27 < Cerpin> Alright, that makes more sense, thanks
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2017-06-03T08:38:26 < Rob235> fighting with a trumper about the paris dealio is exhausting
2017-06-03T08:39:00 < Rob235> wtf its almost 2 am? I thought it was like midnight
2017-06-03T08:39:08 < rajkosto> its 7:39 am
2017-06-03T08:41:21 < emeb_mac> fighting with a trumper is a waste of energy
2017-06-03T08:41:54 < Rob235> agreed
2017-06-03T08:42:24 < emeb_mac> he was right when he said he could murder someone in the middle of NYC and his base wouldn't care.
2017-06-03T08:42:43 < Rob235> people  are fucking stupid
2017-06-03T08:43:11 < rajkosto> Underwood 2016
2017-06-03T08:48:14 < crt> Hmm
2017-06-03T08:48:49 < crt> Blaxter mate
2017-06-03T08:49:28 < crt> GET OUT OF BED MATE
2017-06-03T09:04:38 < Rob235> my ball itches
2017-06-03T09:05:20 < rajkosto> we've switched to optical mice like 15 years ago
2017-06-03T09:05:26 < rajkosto> 20*
2017-06-03T09:05:43 < upgrdman> i think my last wired mouse was a Microsoft Intellimouse
2017-06-03T09:06:11 < upgrdman> the silver, lopsided one, with a gaudy red LED
2017-06-03T09:07:19 < upgrdman> ah ya, this fucker  http://www.seenobjects.org/images/mediumlarge/2006-02-15-intellimouse-explorer.jpg
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2017-06-03T09:08:03 < rajkosto> that wasnt optical ?
2017-06-03T09:08:08 < rajkosto> why would it have LED in that case
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2017-06-03T09:12:10 < upgrdman> TIL canada died in 2017 https://i.redd.it/h6yjdzf0sb1z.jpg
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2017-06-03T09:12:36 < upgrdman> rajkosto, o lol, i confused wired with optical. it was optical.
2017-06-03T09:12:46 < upgrdman> wtf uses wired mice tho, other than some gaymer fags
2017-06-03T09:13:05 < Rob235> dix
2017-06-03T09:15:48 < rajkosto> upgrdman, our money sure is gay
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2017-06-03T09:27:49 < crt> That's not a mouse
2017-06-03T09:33:33 < zyp> upgrdman, I switched back from a wireless to wired because I got tired of dicking with batteries
2017-06-03T09:33:50 < upgrdman> zyp, how long were your batteries lasting?
2017-06-03T09:33:56 < zyp> or rather
2017-06-03T09:34:00 < upgrdman> my m705 *actually* lasts >2yrs
2017-06-03T09:34:38 < zyp> one time I wanted to use the computer, battery was empty, so I went and found an old wired mouse to use until I could deal with that, and then I never did
2017-06-03T09:35:09 < upgrdman> lol k
2017-06-03T09:36:17 < zyp> and yes, you have a point, it only lasted for months, not years
2017-06-03T09:36:34 < crt> Better fill her up
2017-06-03T09:37:39 < zyp> but eh, I don't really see much advantage in a wireless mouse, at least not for a desktop computer
2017-06-03T09:37:55 < zyp> for laptop maybe, but I don't use a mouse with my laptop at all
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2017-06-03T09:44:37 < upgrdman> im prolly weird about mice... im the kind of person that uses a huge mouse pad. like 300mm*400mm or something like that
2017-06-03T09:44:54 < upgrdman> just so i never have to worry about running off the pad
2017-06-03T09:45:18 < upgrdman> also makes a nice coaster that absorbs any condensation on cold glasses etc
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2017-06-03T09:46:52 < zyp> I don't use a mouse pad, I prefer just keeping it directly on the desk
2017-06-03T09:48:48 < ds2> touch screens are less annoying unless the app is poorly designed
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2017-06-03T09:59:04 < dongs> how about fucking oled
2017-06-03T09:59:13 < dongs> 128x64 or wahtever
2017-06-03T09:59:18 < dongs> pro style
2017-06-03T09:59:30 < dongs> yeha
2017-06-03T09:59:35 < dongs> oled.
2017-06-03T09:59:56 < ds2> definitely OLED
2017-06-03T10:00:28 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13003
2017-06-03T10:00:31 < dongs> 0.66" oled
2017-06-03T10:00:36 < dongs> which is just a bit over 1.5cm
2017-06-03T10:03:41 < dongs> yes
2017-06-03T10:03:47 < dongs> there you go
2017-06-03T10:03:54 < dongs> and buydisplay is pro as fuck
2017-06-03T10:04:16 < crt> V good
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2017-06-03T10:26:09 < dongs> make sure to use uguuFX
2017-06-03T10:26:13 < dongs> to display those digits
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2017-06-03T10:31:44 < rajkosto> i like those memory OLED displays
2017-06-03T10:33:36 < Steffanx> Is uguufx open sores yet?
2017-06-03T10:34:03 < Steffanx> Can i download .zip?
2017-06-03T10:40:30 < rajkosto> is it hardware synthesizable
2017-06-03T10:41:27 < Steffanx> That probably requires some open sores tool. So no
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2017-06-03T11:08:12 < invzim> I got a wireless mouse recently, took a little getting used to it but now I'm happy with it (mx master)
2017-06-03T11:08:33 < invzim> haven't found a good use for the side-scroll thing on it yet, altium doesn't seem to support it
2017-06-03T11:10:38 < Steffanx> How do you need to get used to it?
2017-06-03T11:11:00 < Steffanx> Its not really different from a wired mouse except for no wire
2017-06-03T11:11:35 < Steffanx> Or just gettin used to your new mouse?
2017-06-03T11:12:09 < invzim> it's heavy and big
2017-06-03T11:12:29 < ohsix> https://first-flight.sony.com/pj/toio
2017-06-03T11:12:49 < invzim> had an my old 'golden mouse' that I've had for 15 years
2017-06-03T11:13:26 < Steffanx> Ball mouse? :)
2017-06-03T11:13:31 < ohsix> Lux: werd, something to say for that even if it were slow
2017-06-03T11:16:42 < dongs> invzim: what side scroll
2017-06-03T11:16:43 < rajkosto> what is this moonspeak
2017-06-03T11:17:00 < dongs> second wheel?
2017-06-03T11:17:10 < invzim> nah, wired super quick optical that was permanently borrowed from a former employee :)
2017-06-03T11:17:14 < dongs> i mapped side buttons to layer up/down in altidumb (keypad -/+)
2017-06-03T11:17:20 < dongs> super handy
2017-06-03T11:17:38 < invzim> yeah, second wheel - layer change would be nice to have on that
2017-06-03T11:17:48 < dongs> you can probly map it, as lonmg as it has detents
2017-06-03T11:17:52 < dongs> its logitech right?
2017-06-03T11:17:56 < invzim> yeah
2017-06-03T11:17:58 < dongs> run their software thing
2017-06-03T11:18:05 < invzim> I haven't messed with the software
2017-06-03T11:18:08 < dongs> it can assign keys/etc to stuff
2017-06-03T11:18:21 < invzim> i goddamn HATE the 'value-add' software that peripheral makers bundle with their stuff
2017-06-03T11:18:32 < rajkosto> logitech gaming software isnt value add
2017-06-03T11:18:33 < dongs> sorry to hear that, its actually: usable
2017-06-03T11:18:35 < rajkosto> it makes the mouse movement way better
2017-06-03T11:19:25 < invzim> I ditched blutooth and use the usb dongle on mine because of jitter/update speed
2017-06-03T11:19:38 < rajkosto> yep
2017-06-03T11:19:44 < dongs> yeah jewtooth is trash
2017-06-03T11:19:46 < rajkosto> bluetooth is awful for peripherals
2017-06-03T11:19:50 < dongs> but their software doesnt matter
2017-06-03T11:19:55 < dongs> err, doesnt acre if its BT or the receiver
2017-06-03T11:19:57 < dongs> works either way
2017-06-03T11:20:27 < Streaker> What's the bare minimum startup code for a stm32f103? I tried stmcube and it generated pages of code. Same with stdperiph. Is there no 1 page hello world for stm32?
2017-06-03T11:20:42 < dongs> you need startup and about 5 lines of RCC setup
2017-06-03T11:20:43 < dongs> thats all.
2017-06-03T11:20:48 < invzim> hm, maybe I should have a play, but 'thumb' button on it is something I don't use and would be nice to map it to P-T in altium
2017-06-03T11:20:55 < rajkosto> Streaker, make a project in gccarmeclipse
2017-06-03T11:21:15  * Streaker googles
2017-06-03T11:21:18 < rajkosto> or i can just send you a zip of their led blinker it generates
2017-06-03T11:21:18 < dongs> SystemInit() should bring up rcc/crystal, and then just main().
2017-06-03T11:21:42 < invzim> Streaker: https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32
2017-06-03T11:21:43 < dongs> mx master looks weird
2017-06-03T11:21:52 < Steffanx> Install keil, check startup and peripheral lib and go.
2017-06-03T11:21:52 < dongs> donno if I like that sticking out weird tab
2017-06-03T11:22:19 < dongs> im ok with my MX2 on mobile and M560 on desktop
2017-06-03T11:22:26 < invzim> it takes a little getting used to, I just followed advice to shell out for a high quality mouse
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2017-06-03T11:22:49 < dongs> i'd say mx2 is comparable quality
2017-06-03T11:22:51 < dongs> without the gay tab
2017-06-03T11:23:00 < invzim> the gay tab has a botton you can push down on
2017-06-03T11:23:01 < dongs> https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-anywhere2
2017-06-03T11:23:23 < dongs> oih wow its available in different colors
2017-06-03T11:23:26 < dongs> all I could get in jp was black
2017-06-03T11:23:30 < rajkosto> i have a g700 from when they had it on sale for 50$
2017-06-03T11:24:27 < invzim> personal deadline to route up and send my damn project to pcbway before tuesday
2017-06-03T11:24:45 < invzim> been spending so much time, so many ripups and reroutes, adding/removing components I'm getting a little tired of it
2017-06-03T11:27:37 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3aHVWRDRadWpFazg/view
2017-06-03T11:27:55 < rajkosto> oh still working on that thing
2017-06-03T11:28:40 < invzim> so many rabbit-holes :)
2017-06-03T11:30:17 < invzim> I'm leaning towards 1.27mm smd header without box for swd and altium jtag
2017-06-03T11:31:30 < invzim> initial firmware if it ever goes into production will be usb dfu anyway
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2017-06-03T11:40:42 < zyp> unshrouded 1.27mm headers are so fucking prone to get bent
2017-06-03T11:40:44 < zyp> I hate them
2017-06-03T11:51:11 < crt> Shattered
2017-06-03T11:55:31 < dongs> retro scaler wat
2017-06-03T11:55:41 < dongs> also how fucking long does it take to route that
2017-06-03T11:55:45 < dongs> thats maybe a day worth of work max
2017-06-03T11:58:23 < Steffanx> We are not all pros
2017-06-03T11:59:33 < invzim> if you keep adding/removing/moving things around it takes it's time :)
2017-06-03T12:00:17 < zyp> trick is to know what to do before you start doing it
2017-06-03T12:00:24 < dongs> ^
2017-06-03T12:00:39 < dongs> also you shouldn't be "routing" anything while youre still adding shit
2017-06-03T12:00:44 < invzim> yeah, but it's hard to know that before you tried :)
2017-06-03T12:00:44 < dongs> just grouping blocks/placing
2017-06-03T12:01:02 < zyp> idk, routing finished blocks is fine
2017-06-03T12:01:08 < dongs> eh yeah sure
2017-06-03T12:01:13 < dongs> like dc/dc etc
2017-06-03T12:01:18 < dongs> but im talking about general routing between stuff
2017-06-03T12:01:54 < dongs> i usually place shit, some stuff already routed if copypasted etc, then do pinswapping on random signals if needed to make routing less aids
2017-06-03T12:01:58 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/BKkr8.png <- I almost finished routing this shit half a year ago, and I still have to add that fucking piezo buzzer thing
2017-06-03T12:02:20 < dongs> eDICKson board
2017-06-03T12:02:32 < dongs> also spotted that TPS dc/dc
2017-06-03T12:02:36 < invzim> my board also has a crapload of small parts on the back
2017-06-03T12:02:46 < dongs> invzim: there's your 1st mistake
2017-06-03T12:02:52 < dongs> move them all to top
2017-06-03T12:03:03 < invzim> would make the board way more expensive
2017-06-03T12:03:08 < dongs> ?
2017-06-03T12:03:08 < invzim> and bigger
2017-06-03T12:03:10 < dongs> no.
2017-06-03T12:03:14 < dongs> theres tons of open shit
2017-06-03T12:03:17 < dongs> screenshot the back of it plz.
2017-06-03T12:03:33 < invzim> on purpose
2017-06-03T12:03:43 < crt> Ding dong
2017-06-03T12:04:02 < invzim> to the right, a second revision/alternate will have a 100qfp and hdmi connector
2017-06-03T12:04:39 < invzim> so nneded to make sure general placement allowed for it
2017-06-03T12:04:48 < dongs> you know there are 64pin hdmi transmitters
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2017-06-03T12:04:56 < crt> Living the pumper lyfe
2017-06-03T12:04:58 < dongs> why woudl yopu pick a 100pin one
2017-06-03T12:05:04 < invzim> the adv7513?
2017-06-03T12:05:24 < dongs> lemme open the board i made with something like that yea
2017-06-03T12:05:31 < dongs> correct
2017-06-03T12:05:59 < invzim> datasheet under NDA is not something I throw in as first choice
2017-06-03T12:06:04 < dongs> wut
2017-06-03T12:06:12 < dongs> all the docs for that shit are public
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2017-06-03T12:06:27 < zyp> dongs, yeah, part of the reason I'm tempted to make an allwhiner module is to replace the edison
2017-06-03T12:06:31 < invzim>  other support documentation are available under
2017-06-03T12:06:31 < invzim> a nondisclosure agreement (NDA). For more information, contact
2017-06-03T12:06:32 < invzim> your local Analog Devices, Inc., sales office at www.analog.com/sales.
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2017-06-03T12:06:53 < rajkosto> i use a sil one i dont have proper datasheet for cuz its cheaper :P
2017-06-03T12:06:59 < crt> I like NDA
2017-06-03T12:07:13 < crt> I get schuhmadix no one else can get
2017-06-03T12:08:18 < dongs> https://ez.analog.com/docs/DOC-1986 invzimDONGS, here's all the shit you could possibly need for adv7513
2017-06-03T12:08:26 < invzim> the optimal way would of course be to switch from cyclone IV to cyclone V that has proper drivers on-die, but that is only BGA, new family and open another can of worms..
2017-06-03T12:08:27 < dongs> i have no idea what NDA or where you see that shit
2017-06-03T12:08:34 < dongs> but datasheet, programming guide, hardware guide = covers everything
2017-06-03T12:08:42 < invzim> http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADV7513.pdf
2017-06-03T12:09:12 < dongs> click my link you cunt
2017-06-03T12:09:17 < dongs> programming guide covers all registers
2017-06-03T12:09:25 < dongs> hardware guide covers sch/layout/wahtever
2017-06-03T12:09:28 < dongs> what else do you need
2017-06-03T12:09:46 < invzim> so why the F don't they include it in the datasheet...
2017-06-03T12:09:57 < dongs> why does ST have a 'datasheet' and a 'reference manual'
2017-06-03T12:10:24 < dongs> theres also evalboard layout + schematic files reay to copy
2017-06-03T12:10:24 < dongs> etc
2017-06-03T12:11:02 < dongs> the only possibly shit you could care about udner NDA would be HDCP key stuff and if you were a member of hdcp garbage you'd know what to do with it and already have a contact at analog for it anyway.
2017-06-03T12:12:31 < invzim> whatever.. deadline is tuesday, I'm not moving https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3SklrYzhkdFpPZ2M/view to top
2017-06-03T12:12:56 < dongs> heh, thats nothing. definitely not worth increasing assembly cost
2017-06-03T12:13:09 < dongs> are those even 0402?
2017-06-03T12:13:12 < dongs> or 0603
2017-06-03T12:13:14 < dongs> cant tell from scale
2017-06-03T12:13:15 < invzim> 0603
2017-06-03T12:14:15 < dongs> well then.
2017-06-03T12:14:25 < dongs> i'd use 0402 and everything would be on top.
2017-06-03T12:14:34 < dongs> but even with 0603 it doesnt look bad
2017-06-03T12:14:36 < dongs> is this shit 2L?
2017-06-03T12:14:42 < dongs> which is whty you have crap on both sides?
2017-06-03T12:15:11 < invzim> nah, 4 layer - board has 5 power rails
2017-06-03T12:15:18 < dongs> then you're just a lazy fuck ;d
2017-06-03T12:15:21 < dongs> bbl
2017-06-03T12:15:31 < invzim> 5, 3.3, 2.5, 1.8 and 1.2
2017-06-03T12:15:45 < invzim> screw you and route it for me then :)
2017-06-03T12:17:30 < zyp> I'm with dongs
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2017-06-03T12:17:54 < zyp> also, R2-5 is way too close to the RCA connectors or whatever those are, you couldn't even do selective wave on that
2017-06-03T12:18:26 < zyp> I'd just move everything to top so you can get the pth shit cheaply wave soldered
2017-06-03T12:22:03 < dongs> i think those are those side actuating poushbuttons
2017-06-03T12:22:16 < zyp> oh, right
2017-06-03T12:22:17 < dongs> i thought they were cool too until i realized just how much of a cunt they're to solder
2017-06-03T12:22:34 < dongs> sauna time
2017-06-03T12:22:37 < zyp> point stands whatever they are
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2017-06-03T12:31:00 < zyp> hmm, I should buy some new usb sticks
2017-06-03T12:31:30 < zyp> I'm reinstalling some stuff, using some old usb stick I bought in 2008
2017-06-03T12:31:32 < zyp> it's slow as fuck
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2017-06-03T13:12:11 < crt> Is it true steffan is our leader because he is such a good troll?
2017-06-03T13:13:05 < Steffanx> No, i became "leader" when i wasnt one.
2017-06-03T13:13:06 < crt> 5)3?
2017-06-03T13:13:31 < crt> Vote for stffn
2017-06-03T13:13:47 < Steffanx> This is not a democracy
2017-06-03T13:15:26 < Steffanx> do you know this all started in #avr crt?
2017-06-03T13:19:23 < crt> No
2017-06-03T13:19:28 < crt> Tell me
2017-06-03T13:21:13 < Steffanx> i just did.
2017-06-03T13:30:27 < invzim> 'selective soldering' most useful word I've heard today, actually did wonder how the assembly housed did mixed pth/smd on same side
2017-06-03T13:33:47 < crt> Yeah I seen it
2017-06-03T13:33:58 < crt> Boards come in with all smt
2017-06-03T13:34:12 < crt> Slaves load 20 through hole components
2017-06-03T13:34:17 < crt> Send her off
2017-06-03T13:38:35 < invzim> pcbway quote on assembly:
2017-06-03T13:38:35 < invzim> 449	one side, all smd
2017-06-03T13:38:35 < invzim> 513	one side, 5 pth parts
2017-06-03T13:38:35 < invzim> 562	both sides, 5 pth parts
2017-06-03T13:38:40 < invzim> for qty 100
2017-06-03T13:44:43 < ohsix> jerks looking for tiny oled; https://www.aliexpress.com/item/OLED-Schild-for-WeMos-D1-mini-0-66-zoll-64X48-IIC-I2C/32760043968.html is cheap D: wemos headers tho
2017-06-03T13:56:03 < kakimir> what does pth mean? pin thru hole?
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2017-06-03T13:58:41 < invzim> plated through hole i think
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2017-06-03T13:59:56 < jsoft> Yerp
2017-06-03T14:00:31 < kakimir> how to cut internet access from virtual machine in virtualbox
2017-06-03T14:00:33 < kakimir> ?
2017-06-03T14:00:58 < kakimir> on run
2017-06-03T14:01:10 < kakimir> oh.. nothing
2017-06-03T14:01:19 < kakimir> forget
2017-06-03T14:01:30 < kakimir> it was where it used to be
2017-06-03T14:02:22 < kakimir> hello everyone
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2017-06-03T14:24:10 < ohsix> kakimir: does it have a virtual network emulator ui? you can hotunplug the device or just disconnect it from the switch, like in real life
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2017-06-03T14:25:13 < kakimir> there was button in network icon
2017-06-03T14:25:23 < kakimir> switch on/off networking
2017-06-03T14:25:35 < BrainDamage> it's bridged by default, not routed
2017-06-03T14:25:49 < BrainDamage> and you can just break the bridge easily
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2017-06-03T14:57:00 < invzim> http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent//fci/drawing/10118194.pdf <-pcbway recommended part
2017-06-03T14:57:10 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Micro-USB-2-0-Connector-B-Type-5pin-SMT-Female-receptacle-right-angle-Tail-SMT/32640090365.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.207.a8Unh3&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_5010020_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10171_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10185_
2017-06-03T14:57:17 < invzim> looks close enough
2017-06-03T14:59:13 < zyp> invzim, well, my point was that selective wave need a minimum distance between pth pads and smt pads, so the wave doesn't pull off smt parts when it's soldering the pth parts
2017-06-03T14:59:24 < zyp> and you had some resistors that looked awfully close
2017-06-03T15:03:13 < Steffanx> Just have them hand solder the parts
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2017-06-03T15:16:32 < invzim> I was not being sarcastic, I had no idea how they did it and just assumed it was either full wave somehow convering up the parts or manual
2017-06-03T15:16:44 < invzim> now I know, and can design for selective :)
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2017-06-03T16:01:07 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/IaudIsyZGuc?t=1m8s
2017-06-03T16:16:13 < crt> I'm on a boat
2017-06-03T16:16:20 < crt> Nah a plane
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2017-06-03T16:17:53 < Tectu> same thing.
2017-06-03T16:18:05 < crt> Sup muscles
2017-06-03T16:18:23 < crt> Wifi at 31000ft wut
2017-06-03T16:18:43 < Tectu> the higher you are the less disturbances
2017-06-03T16:18:50 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4Ks1uhaR/IMG_0170.JPG
2017-06-03T16:18:52 < Tectu> higher altitude -> less wtf
2017-06-03T16:19:06 < Tectu> oh, you really are on a plane right now?
2017-06-03T16:19:29 < Tectu> annoy staff by telling them to do metric
2017-06-03T16:19:34 < Tectu> remind them every 20 minutes
2017-06-03T16:20:41 < crt> I can convert
2017-06-03T16:20:59 < crt> Anyway emirates a380 does have innernet
2017-06-03T16:21:30 < Tectu> how is my most favorite crt?
2017-06-03T16:21:56 < crt> Excellent
2017-06-03T16:22:16 < Tectu> take the parachute when you´re over zurich
2017-06-03T16:22:16 < crt> The plane managed to get airborne without killing 300+ ppl
2017-06-03T16:23:15 < crt> Food is shit but they have alcohol
2017-06-03T16:23:45 < Tectu> dont drink mate
2017-06-03T16:24:04 < Tectu> people will think that you are weird
2017-06-03T16:24:50 < crt> Ummm everyone is
2017-06-03T16:25:07 < crt> Just did a headcheck
2017-06-03T16:25:16 < crt> Everyone has wine or spirits
2017-06-03T16:25:38 < Tectu> you might be on the wrong plane
2017-06-03T16:25:56 < crt> Au to uk
2017-06-03T16:26:09 < crt> Figured
2017-06-03T16:27:07 < crt> Their in cabin entertainment system is called ICE which in Australia is a street name for crystal meth
2017-06-03T16:27:28 < BrainDamage> rest of the world too
2017-06-03T16:27:58 < BrainDamage> does it serve actual ice on demand?
2017-06-03T16:28:13 < Tectu> you have to bring your own through security
2017-06-03T16:28:34 < crt> Hahahahaha
2017-06-03T16:33:44 < zyp> crt, so how high are you right now?
2017-06-03T16:34:07 < crt> 31,981
2017-06-03T16:34:17 < zyp> that's pretty high
2017-06-03T16:34:23 < crt> Hahaha
2017-06-03T16:34:26 < BrainDamage> a6-eek, sounds like a scream of terror
2017-06-03T16:34:46 < BrainDamage> maybe the screen has a typo and instead of a6 it's o6
2017-06-03T16:34:47 < crt> Prolly is
2017-06-03T16:38:40 < Tectu> lol
2017-06-03T17:17:38 < englishman> zyp, edison
2017-06-03T17:17:42 < englishman> i feel for you
2017-06-03T17:20:54 < zyp> heh
2017-06-03T17:22:46 < Steffanx> I feel sorry too after englishman mention the temp range
2017-06-03T17:23:32 < Steffanx> Mentioned*
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2017-06-03T17:44:16 < Rob235> someone (tdk) bought invensense?
2017-06-03T17:45:20 < englishman> wifeishman work gave her a new macbook pro
2017-06-03T17:45:22 < englishman> what a piece of crap lol
2017-06-03T17:45:33 < englishman> need a huge expansion block for anything
2017-06-03T17:45:35 < englishman> no magjack
2017-06-03T17:45:42 < englishman> and it has a headphone port
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2017-06-03T17:50:42 < Steffanx> yeah, that sucks nowadays englishman
2017-06-03T17:50:58 < Steffanx> but when your work also gives you  dock, it works :)
2017-06-03T18:26:31 < englishman> it only has one usb port. same as edison
2017-06-03T18:31:55 < invzim> damn communist norway, no beer in stores after 15:00 today
2017-06-03T18:34:13 < englishman> better stick to that traditional farmhouse ale
2017-06-03T18:35:03 < invzim> if I had a house and not apartment, I would for sure go all nerdy with brewing my own beer
2017-06-03T18:36:36 < englishman> eh, did it in apt. for years
2017-06-03T18:36:41 < englishman> full grain even
2017-06-03T18:37:12 < zyp> Steffanx, you were running hackintosh?
2017-06-03T18:37:44 < zyp> if so, what version?
2017-06-03T18:40:28 < invzim> englishman: married?
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2017-06-03T18:44:01 < englishman> that's a rather personal question
2017-06-03T18:44:35 < BrainDamage> probably just checking if you're available, being able to diy your brew scored a lot of points I guess
2017-06-03T18:45:00 < englishman> even had keg fridge + kegs + taps in apt
2017-06-03T18:46:48 < Steffanx> Most recent zyp.
2017-06-03T18:46:55 < Steffanx> I tend to upgrade
2017-06-03T18:47:17 < zyp> ah
2017-06-03T18:47:18 < Steffanx> it breaks some gpu stuff, but then i just run the fix again.
2017-06-03T18:47:32 < zyp> I'm lazy so I've been running 10.8 since it were new
2017-06-03T18:47:48 < zyp> picked up a new ssd yesterday, so I've just installed 10.12 on it
2017-06-03T18:48:07 < Steffanx> thats most recent right?
2017-06-03T18:48:17 < zyp> yes
2017-06-03T18:48:37 < Steffanx> only have some issues when my pc gets out of sleep, also a gpu issue.
2017-06-03T18:48:43 < Steffanx> but i guess that's nvidia and not really os x.
2017-06-03T18:49:02 < zyp> hehe
2017-06-03T18:49:14 < zyp> I'm not sure if sleep ever worked for me in 10.8
2017-06-03T18:49:29 < zyp> turns out it works perfectly in 10.12, because I came back to find my computer asleep
2017-06-03T18:49:35 < zyp> so I promptly turned that off :p
2017-06-03T18:49:44 < Steffanx> I failed to get all usb 3.0 ports and sd card reader to work properly with my motherboard
2017-06-03T18:49:57 < Steffanx> to find out not so long ago the clover configuration can do it all for me -_-
2017-06-03T18:50:10 < zyp> I updated the bios today too, that might be why sleep now works
2017-06-03T18:50:27 < zyp> the old bios wouldn't find the UEFI version of clover on the ssd
2017-06-03T18:50:29 < Steffanx> You run skylake stuff? Or older hw?
2017-06-03T18:50:38 < zyp> but it had no problem finding it on a usb stick
2017-06-03T18:50:45 < zyp> ivy bridge
2017-06-03T18:51:48 < zyp> I didn't get all the version numbers they were talking about, I figured it maybe were chipset numbers
2017-06-03T18:52:09 < zyp> if so, ivy is 7, and UEFI is supposed to work from 7 on
2017-06-03T18:52:20 < zyp> anyway, it works now so I'm happy
2017-06-03T18:52:49 < zyp> just need to add some drivers
2017-06-03T18:53:36 < zyp> so far, the only network card I have a driver for is the 10G fiber card :p
2017-06-03T18:54:19 < zyp> I should probably add drivers for the other two cards so I'm prepared for the next time I'm somewhere where only copper is available :p
2017-06-03T18:57:10 < Steffanx> i hacked my intel 10g card to work with os x.
2017-06-03T18:57:18 < Steffanx> hacked as in changed some id in eeprom :)
2017-06-03T18:58:05 < Steffanx> you have multiple?!
2017-06-03T18:58:35 < zyp> well, there's the onboard gigabit copper, and I also have a pcie gigabit copper because the onboard was shit
2017-06-03T18:59:25 < zyp> or rather, driver support was shit, IIRC it didn't respond correctly if I unplugged it and plugged it back in
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2017-06-03T19:08:47 < Steffanx> Thorn, when a russian says something that looks like "copb" is that a bad word?
2017-06-03T19:10:06 < Steffanx> i cant write it in the correct characters.
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2017-06-03T19:10:51 < invzim> gurus.. :)  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3QktJQldpSzc0dlk/view
2017-06-03T19:10:55 < invzim> will this led placement fly?
2017-06-03T19:11:12 < invzim> idea is just to have holes in the panel
2017-06-03T19:11:25 < invzim> and make them bright
2017-06-03T19:11:32 < Steffanx> *gurus = pro irc EEs
2017-06-03T19:12:16 < englishman> you mean you arent using backlit switches
2017-06-03T19:12:33 < invzim> I'm not using backlit switches
2017-06-03T19:29:08 < Steffanx> but this was a b. or a d not sure.
2017-06-03T19:29:11 < Steffanx> or it looked like it.
2017-06-03T19:32:34 < Steffanx> russia is great.
2017-06-03T19:32:56 < Steffanx> in insurgency russians tend to be way more mature than other players
2017-06-03T19:33:00 < Steffanx> especially the french are baad
2017-06-03T19:34:49 < Steffanx> only few i can blame for that
2017-06-03T19:35:00 < Steffanx> incl. our own security agency crap.
2017-06-03T19:36:13 < Steffanx> and russian government / generals / whatever.
2017-06-03T19:36:37 < Steffanx> and you for leaving R2COM, you could have made russia great again.
2017-06-03T19:38:22 < Steffanx> ok
2017-06-03T19:45:09 < kakimir> r2.com
2017-06-03T19:45:20 < kakimir> are you talking about russia?
2017-06-03T19:45:28 < Steffanx> whatelse.
2017-06-03T19:46:33 < kakimir> Is R2COM to rule russia?
2017-06-03T19:47:08 < kakimir> andromeda strain was good - at least the first hour before we went to sleep
2017-06-03T19:47:29 < kakimir> proper scifi from the first moment
2017-06-03T19:47:36 < Steffanx> 1971.. no thanks
2017-06-03T19:48:00 < kakimir> my friend has this LG tv that makes any movie look like it was filmed yesterday
2017-06-03T19:48:15 < kakimir> image enhancement is seriously good
2017-06-03T19:48:50 < kakimir> I assume neuro networking and AI
2017-06-03T19:48:59 < Tectu> wut
2017-06-03T19:49:19 < Steffanx> Tectu needs such tv.
2017-06-03T19:49:19 < kakimir> you can throw even 720 at it and it looks like full hd
2017-06-03T19:56:57 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSDhmOWxUd3R2T00/view?usp=sharing I had to take photo of the plate
2017-06-03T20:05:33 < Tectu> I will acquire a TV soon. Good to know. Thanks.
2017-06-03T20:05:48 < Tectu> only 49 inches, wut
2017-06-03T20:05:57 < Tectu> I am looking for something 70-ish
2017-06-03T20:06:56 < kakimir> I think if you pick something of same series Tectu you will be good
2017-06-03T20:07:07 < Tectu> kakimir, trying to find that
2017-06-03T20:07:16 < Tectu> R2COM, matlab
2017-06-03T20:08:16 < Tectu> kakimir, 49 appears to be the largest one of taht series
2017-06-03T20:09:20 < Tectu> but it allows you to build that easily
2017-06-03T20:09:49 < kakimir> certainly best thing would be to have a stick full of various videosamples and go to store and start pluggin it in to stuff
2017-06-03T20:10:21 < kakimir> they tend to display only very high quality video stream in store
2017-06-03T20:10:40 < kakimir> so you can see what the tv does with the image with different sources
2017-06-03T20:15:06 < kakimir> went to send my phone to warrantity repair
2017-06-03T20:15:17 < kakimir> because failed usb connector
2017-06-03T20:15:50 < kakimir> screen was cracked - my warrantity has been void
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2017-06-03T20:41:51 < Steffanx> get a beamer Tectu.
2017-06-03T20:42:05 < Steffanx> fucking 70" TV -_-
2017-06-03T20:47:46 < Tectu> projector*
2017-06-03T20:49:16 < Steffanx> beamer. i like that word more
2017-06-03T20:49:24 < Steffanx> eventhough its not proper english, Tectu :P
2017-06-03T20:50:58 < kakimir> who bothers to start beamer nowdays?
2017-06-03T20:51:28 < kakimir> needs a darkened room
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2017-06-03T20:53:07 < Steffanx> watching a movie on a TV in a too light room is no fun either
2017-06-03T20:53:16 < Steffanx> and we have shades.
2017-06-03T20:54:42 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-03T20:55:11 < kakimir> everyone has beamer and a tv
2017-06-03T20:55:12 < kakimir> but me
2017-06-03T20:55:20 < Steffanx> i have no of it :P
2017-06-03T20:55:24 < Steffanx> none
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2017-06-03T21:49:05 < kakimir> I have a counterfeit bill UV light thing
2017-06-03T21:49:13 < kakimir> I wonder if it cures LOCA
2017-06-03T22:02:13 < invzim> are ldo's noisy RF/EMI wise?
2017-06-03T22:05:22 < rajkosto> nop
2017-06-03T22:05:25 < rajkosto> switchers are
2017-06-03T22:05:49 < rajkosto> they generate magnetic flux on the distance from the input capacitor to the output coil
2017-06-03T22:06:07 < rajkosto> so you wanna minimize that
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2017-06-03T22:09:35 < kakimir> it's the general rule
2017-06-03T22:10:00 < kakimir> but there is switchers with way lower noise than some basic crappy LDO you think is noiseless
2017-06-03T22:10:48 < PaulFertser> How does ldo generate noise?
2017-06-03T22:11:29 < kakimir> that is unknown to me
2017-06-03T22:11:35 < kakimir> but LDO noise is actual thing
2017-06-03T22:12:15 < invzim> guess it's good practice to keep them out of the way of analog regardless
2017-06-03T22:12:57 < kakimir> PaulFertser: oscillations
2017-06-03T22:13:47 < kakimir> or away with degrees of seperation and filtering invzim
2017-06-03T22:14:03 < PaulFertser> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa412/slaa412.pdf hm, nice
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2017-06-03T22:18:11 < kakimir> there are all-in-one throw in switcher replacements for most common crappy LDOs that have guaranteed lower noise and other stuff than original LDO
2017-06-03T22:18:56 < kakimir> TO220 pack at least
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2017-06-03T22:27:23 < Steffanx> What to use for wifi together with some random stm32 nowadays? esp?
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2017-06-03T22:42:05 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/vjmPnQi.gifv
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2017-06-03T22:48:29 < Steffanx> We already know you have this different kind of hobby, no need to remember us upgrdman
2017-06-03T22:49:11 < upgrdman> :)
2017-06-03T22:50:21 < englishman> another 2.5h to mow the lawns
2017-06-03T22:51:27 < Steffanx> by hand?
2017-06-03T22:51:49 < Steffanx> i mean, by moving the mower by hand, or do you have this one where you can sit on?
2017-06-03T22:52:00 < englishman> sit and spin
2017-06-03T22:52:25 < sync> Why don't you automate that?
2017-06-03T22:52:30 < sync> Fpv mowing
2017-06-03T22:53:00 < Steffanx> heh. yeah :)
2017-06-03T22:53:08 < zyp> autonomous mowers are pretty common nowadays, aren't they?
2017-06-03T22:53:16 < Steffanx> Even better. You can hire a mechanical turk.
2017-06-03T22:53:25 < zyp> I see them in every store selling mowers
2017-06-03T22:53:30 < Steffanx> Or maybe you can find candidates in ##stm32
2017-06-03T22:53:39 < englishman> 7L of gas too
2017-06-03T22:53:51 < englishman> actually i have a bit of experience with automatic lawnmowers
2017-06-03T22:53:53 < englishman> long story
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2017-06-03T22:54:44 < zyp> also, protip: don't crack your ribs
2017-06-03T22:54:49 < Steffanx> You can also ask the guy from upgrdman's gif. He has the rotating part too.
2017-06-03T22:55:17 < englishman> fpv mowing does not work well
2017-06-03T22:55:27 < englishman> when the camera is that close to the ground you cant see anything
2017-06-03T22:55:35 < englishman> but automation, different story
2017-06-03T22:55:36 < Steffanx> VR.
2017-06-03T22:55:41 < zyp> I managed to crack my rib last weekend, took me days to realize
2017-06-03T22:55:50 < zyp> didn't hurt then, pretty fucking annoying now
2017-06-03T22:55:58 < englishman> what were you doing?
2017-06-03T22:56:34 < zyp> I fell off my bike and landed with my chest on the handlebar
2017-06-03T22:56:36 < sync> use a drone for mowing vision
2017-06-03T22:57:09 < Steffanx> I always here people say a bruised rib is worse than a broken one.
2017-06-03T22:57:23 < Steffanx> worse as in more painful
2017-06-03T22:57:36 < zyp> well, idk if it's bruised or cracked or broken or whatever
2017-06-03T22:57:36 < sync> Yes
2017-06-03T22:58:18 < zyp> I just found this article that said a cracked rib usually gets gradually more painful over the first week and then heals over the next two
2017-06-03T22:58:25 < zyp> which so far seems pretty accurate
2017-06-03T22:58:32 < Steffanx> internet doctoring <3
2017-06-03T22:58:41 < zyp> well, yeah
2017-06-03T22:58:53 < englishman> ow
2017-06-03T22:58:56 < englishman> get well soon
2017-06-03T22:59:50 < zyp> article also said that doctors can't do shit apart from prescribe painkillers, so it's not necessary to go unless it hurts bad, so I haven't bothered
2017-06-03T23:01:48 < Steffanx> Did pretty stupid things as a kid, but im glad i never broke anything :)
2017-06-03T23:01:54 < Steffanx> nowadays i dont do stupid things anymore
2017-06-03T23:02:10 < englishman> except oper in an irc chan
2017-06-03T23:02:19 < Steffanx> physically  stupid.
2017-06-03T23:03:21 < Steffanx> I dont even remember who has those rights too, englishman
2017-06-03T23:03:27 < Steffanx> probably Tectu and zyp.
2017-06-03T23:03:47 < zyp> I think I do
2017-06-03T23:04:31 < Tectu> me too
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2017-06-03T23:04:51 < Tectu> jup
2017-06-03T23:05:06 < Tectu> only used it to kick/bann Laurenceb so far - of course
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2017-06-03T23:18:57 < Thorn> hosted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URh-oPqjlM8 technical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoOqqSIYpw
2017-06-03T23:19:16 < Steffanx> ah thanks :)
2017-06-03T23:20:00 < Steffanx> Streaker are you electroboom?
2017-06-03T23:25:31 < jadew> I saw a fidget spinner at the playground yesterday
2017-06-03T23:25:36 < jadew> why the hell is that a thing?
2017-06-03T23:26:03 < jadew> I thought it was an internet joke
2017-06-03T23:29:00 < englishman> they are everywhere
2017-06-03T23:29:31 < Rob235> i bought one before they blew up.  I thought it would help when I'm reading or something because I tend to pick at zits or little bumps on my face or wherever.
2017-06-03T23:29:39 < englishman> now seen them at groceries, hardware stores, bookstores, pharmacies, corner stores, and dollar stores
2017-06-03T23:29:43 < Tectu> I printed one in hopes of getting an understanding why they were being so hyped... still not understanding
2017-06-03T23:29:43 < Rob235> need to keep my hand busy
2017-06-03T23:30:13 < Rob235> I got mine for $5 including shipping 3d printed from malaysia
2017-06-03T23:31:09 < Steffanx> i'd rather buy one of those fidget cubes on ebay.
2017-06-03T23:31:30 < Steffanx> Tectu, printed? You did the bearings too?
2017-06-03T23:31:38 < Rob235> I thought the spinner would keep more more occupied than the cube but now that I have the spinner im not so sure
2017-06-03T23:31:38 < Tectu> how about just stop doing shit when you are not using your hands?
2017-06-03T23:31:51 < Rob235> I try, doesn't always work
2017-06-03T23:32:14 < Rob235> every once in a while I go from an invisible bump on my face to a full blown bloody hole
2017-06-03T23:32:15 < Rob235> :)
2017-06-03T23:32:21 < Steffanx> lolz
2017-06-03T23:32:36 < Tectu> Steffanx, no, but I have plenty of bearings on stock. Although only high quality shit. The bearings I used are 20 bucks a piece
2017-06-03T23:32:47 < Steffanx> such waste.
2017-06-03T23:33:08 < Rob235> you only need the middle one, the outer ones are useless, although Im sure the added weight helps
2017-06-03T23:33:22 < Tectu> it is just what I had lying around
2017-06-03T23:33:34 < Tectu> I dont usually have low quality shit :p
2017-06-03T23:34:15 < Steffanx> Tell me something i dont know ;)
2017-06-03T23:35:23 < Tectu> I am running low on disk space
2017-06-03T23:35:37 < Rob235> me too
2017-06-03T23:35:41 < Rob235> :(
2017-06-03T23:37:15 < Rob235> man, I dont want to read about socrates and them shits
2017-06-03T23:37:15 < Steffanx> lies Tectu.
2017-06-03T23:37:50 < Thorn> nasatv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2017-06-03T23:38:11 < Steffanx> is that the same launch Thorn?
2017-06-03T23:38:22 < Thorn> sure
2017-06-03T23:47:59 < zyp> Tectu, not me
2017-06-03T23:48:10 < zyp> (I bought a new ssd yesterday \o/)
2017-06-03T23:48:12 < Rob235> whats launching
2017-06-03T23:49:02 < Tectu> zyp, what did you get yourself?
2017-06-03T23:49:38 < zyp> 500GB 850 EVO
2017-06-03T23:50:21 < Rob235> whats evo, the non pro version?
2017-06-03T23:50:53 < zyp> I was originally planning to go with a 480GB intel something, but this were like 75% of the cost and available locally and has an equally good reputation according to my friend
2017-06-03T23:51:12 < zyp> this one is replacing a 180GB intel 520
2017-06-03T23:51:19 < Rob235> i have a 512 850 pro in my htpc, 1tb in my mbp but not sure what model
2017-06-03T23:52:13 < zyp> do you use all that space?
2017-06-03T23:53:26 < Rob235> 300gb free on my mbp 250 on my htpc
2017-06-03T23:54:19 < Rob235> then I have a 2TB wd black in my htpc and a 4tb red in usb3 enclsure and an old 1tb wd passport both connected to the htpc
2017-06-03T23:54:43 < Rob235> wish I had a nas
2017-06-03T23:55:00 < zyp> to me, 1TB kinda seems like a lot for normal use, but very little for bulk storage
2017-06-03T23:56:26 < zyp> I've got 16x3TB in my file server for bulk storage, so the 180GB SSD has worked fairly well for other shit
2017-06-03T23:56:57 < Rob235> I had a 500 ssd in my first mbp and it wasnt enough so I went with the 1tb this time
2017-06-03T23:57:12 < Steffanx> 1TB pci ssd isnt enough mr Tectu ?
2017-06-03T23:57:15 < zyp> I've got a 120GB SSD in my MBP
2017-06-03T23:57:16 < Rob235> I have a win10 bootcamp partition and virtual machines
2017-06-03T23:57:26 < Rob235> which take up most of the space
2017-06-03T23:57:37 < zyp> I don't really have problems with that either, except the fact I can't fit a lot of series at the same time
2017-06-03T23:57:54 < zyp> so usually when I go on a trip I delete whatever I put there last time and load up some new series I want to see
2017-06-03T23:57:54 < Steffanx> Ive plex for that.
2017-06-03T23:58:06 < zyp> trip as in long flight without internet and similar
2017-06-03T23:58:15 < Rob235> my 4tb is full of x265 shows and movies
2017-06-03T23:59:04 < zyp> yeah yeah, but I don't need that on my laptop, I just need 10 hours worth for the flight each way, typically
2017-06-03T23:59:12 < Rob235> 596 movies, 70 tv shows
2017-06-03T23:59:14 < zyp> not that I'm going to be watching shit all 10 hours of a flight either
2017-06-03T23:59:30 < Rob235> true
2017-06-03T23:59:50 < zyp> but yeah, the VM argument stands
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2017-06-04T00:00:26 < zyp> I've got a 2TB drive in my desktop workstation in addition to the 180GB SSD (and the new 500GB one)
2017-06-04T00:00:35 < Steffanx> Some of my vms run over iscsi + 10gbe connection
2017-06-04T00:00:39 < zyp> which I originally put in because I had it spare
2017-06-04T00:00:40 < Steffanx> It works :P
2017-06-04T00:00:56 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, I don't doubt it
2017-06-04T00:01:17 < zyp> I bet I could run it over NFS and that'd be faster than the 2TB drive too
2017-06-04T00:01:22 < zyp> but eh, whatever
2017-06-04T00:01:43 < zyp> maybe I'll repurpose the old 180GB SSD to VMs once I'm done migrating everything to the new
2017-06-04T00:02:12 < zyp> right now I'm keeping it in its working state while copying the stuff I need over to the new installation
2017-06-04T00:02:31 < zyp> so far I've only done ~/Downloads
2017-06-04T00:02:42 < zyp> i.e. my datasheet collection, ref. conversation the other day :p
2017-06-04T00:02:44 < Steffanx> Id just copy it all to spinnin rust and format it
2017-06-04T00:03:02 < zyp> copy what? the ssd contents?
2017-06-04T00:03:06 < Steffanx> Yeah
2017-06-04T00:03:43 < zyp> yeah, eventually I might do that, just wanted to keep it bootable until the new installation is fully usable
2017-06-04T00:04:46 < Thorn> T-3 min
2017-06-04T00:04:59 < zyp> I think I still have a 500GB disk image from when I swapped the original drive in my old imac, and some of the final contents of the 1.5TB drive I swapped it with
2017-06-04T00:06:14 < zyp> and I also think I got a physical drive somewhere that still contains the /home-partition of the machine I used before I bought the imac
2017-06-04T00:07:59 < zyp> Thorn, are they landing today?
2017-06-04T00:08:09 < Thorn> yes
2017-06-04T00:08:12 < zyp> nice
2017-06-04T00:09:00 < kakimir> where is leelo?
2017-06-04T00:09:26 < Steffanx> Who knows
2017-06-04T00:09:51 < englishman> who?
2017-06-04T00:09:58 < Steffanx> Who.
2017-06-04T00:10:13 < Steffanx> Who is the president of China
2017-06-04T00:12:02 < kakimir> damned
2017-06-04T00:12:17 < kakimir> it's pretty hard to get to leelo then
2017-06-04T00:12:55 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-06-04T00:13:38 < zyp> I like that they have a camera tracking the first stage for the entire path
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2017-06-04T00:15:06 < zyp> aww, it went behind a cloud :(
2017-06-04T00:15:58 < englishman> lol whats with the 18000km/h
2017-06-04T00:16:14 < Steffanx> Lol at insects
2017-06-04T00:16:35 < englishman> nice landing.
2017-06-04T00:17:17 < Emilgardis> Can someone tell me how to connect a st-link v2 10 pins to a 20 p on board?
2017-06-04T00:17:20 < zyp> englishman, well, ISS orbital velocity is 27580km/h
2017-06-04T00:17:24 < Emilgardis> If that even is correct
2017-06-04T00:17:41 < englishman> an adapter
2017-06-04T00:17:52 < Emilgardis> I have swdio, swclk and swim, but not ure what the corresponding pins are on the board
2017-06-04T00:18:00 < englishman> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2017-06-04T00:18:01 < englishman> ?
2017-06-04T00:18:01 < Thorn> jumper wires
2017-06-04T00:18:03 < zyp> fuck swim
2017-06-04T00:18:08 < Emilgardis> * swdio etc are marked on the st-link module
2017-06-04T00:18:11 < englishman> SWIM?
2017-06-04T00:18:14 < englishman> thats for stm8
2017-06-04T00:18:17 < zyp> Emilgardis, is this some ghetto ebay stlink?
2017-06-04T00:18:18 < Emilgardis> Ok
2017-06-04T00:18:24 < zyp> with 10pin 2.54mm?
2017-06-04T00:18:26 < englishman> uh oh
2017-06-04T00:18:30 < Emilgardis> Yeah, cheap ebay one for stm8 and stm32
2017-06-04T00:18:40 < Emilgardis> This is for stm32 thogh
2017-06-04T00:18:42 < Emilgardis> * though
2017-06-04T00:18:45 < zyp> then just use jumper wires for gnd, swdio and swclk
2017-06-04T00:18:45 < Emilgardis> a f103
2017-06-04T00:18:54 < Emilgardis> where are they on the 20p?
2017-06-04T00:19:03 < Emilgardis> is there any reference?
2017-06-04T00:19:09 < zyp> swdio equals jtms, swclk equals jtck
2017-06-04T00:19:29 < zyp> just google arm 20pin jtag, first image probably has it
2017-06-04T00:19:52 < englishman> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2017-06-04T00:19:57 < zyp> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/ulinkpro/ulinkpro_jtag_20pin_swm.gif <- this, for instance
2017-06-04T00:19:57 < englishman> 20 pin and 10 pin are here
2017-06-04T00:20:40 < kakimir> software he/she made me install is suberb
2017-06-04T00:21:03 < kakimir> it's called "everything"
2017-06-04T00:21:13 < kakimir> superfast search of files
2017-06-04T00:21:17 < kakimir> like it should be
2017-06-04T00:30:26 < kakimir> usually file is found as soon you type in enought letters to discriminate from other files
2017-06-04T00:31:13 < Steffanx> That you even have to say "he/she" is one of the reasons she left kakimir ;)
2017-06-04T00:33:06 < kakimir> sheman was not a bad person by my judgement. but can't really tell
2017-06-04T00:33:17 < rajkosto> i just use a ft2232h breakout
2017-06-04T00:33:29 < rajkosto> with custom openocd cfg to define the trst/srst pins
2017-06-04T00:33:57 < rajkosto> you can use it with swd as well with a small resistor thing tying tdo to tdi
2017-06-04T00:53:19 < Streaker> Steffanx: no
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2017-06-04T01:10:05 < kakimir> https://images.apina.biz/full/159379.jpg finnish daily communication
2017-06-04T01:13:49 < zyp> we have equivalents in norwegian too
2017-06-04T01:15:11 < zyp> http://norwayscope.com/innhold/uploads/2014/08/a_lesson_in_norwegian-700x542.jpg
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2017-06-04T01:42:14 < englishman> ft2232h as swd debugger? lol nice
2017-06-04T01:43:50 < sync> zyp: has du a deeper meaning or is it like the german pronoun?
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2017-06-04T01:47:49 < rajkosto> im trying to use it with gnu arm eclipse with openocd but it keeps telling me target not halted after detecting the flash
2017-06-04T01:48:04 < rajkosto> (jtag mode not swd)
2017-06-04T01:48:51 < englishman> reset working?
2017-06-04T01:49:00 < englishman> sorry cant help much, don't use openocd
2017-06-04T01:49:12 < rajkosto> the "TRST" pin is connected to NRST on the stm32
2017-06-04T01:49:38 < rajkosto> and to a button
2017-06-04T01:49:50 < rajkosto> and the jtag does totally hold it in reset when it wants to
2017-06-04T01:52:22 < rajkosto> i mean, i can load programs using the "flash loader demonstrator" but thats icky
2017-06-04T01:52:43 < englishman> thats via uart bootloader anyway
2017-06-04T01:52:56 < englishman> won't help you with debugging much
2017-06-04T01:52:57 < rajkosto> yep, thats on channel 2 of my ft2232h
2017-06-04T02:00:14 < rajkosto> http://codepad.org/hJfuVZf4
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2017-06-04T02:18:57 < kakimir> Steffanx: look 2 rows up
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2017-06-04T03:15:18 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-06-04T03:15:23 < Laurenceb_> crt arrived in London
2017-06-04T03:21:32 < englishman> causing all kinds of mayhem, i hear
2017-06-04T03:22:09 < kakimir> actual physical crt in in london?
2017-06-04T03:24:51 < englishman> bedlam and chaos
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2017-06-04T03:34:21 < Laurenceb_> Vauxhall stabbing sounds like a band name
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2017-06-04T03:43:21 < Laurenceb_> The most horrific and disgusting thing about this is how people are blaming Islam.
2017-06-04T03:44:01 < Laurenceb_> All of this terrible hate and backlash the Muslim community is going to suffer is going to cause some poor innocent Muslim youth to get his feelings hurt, and he's going to have no choice but to try to kill a bunch of people
2017-06-04T03:54:12 < rajkosto> i mean what else you gonna do
2017-06-04T04:01:12 < Laurenceb_> the r9k solution
2017-06-04T04:01:34 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mdO8O1KEb4
2017-06-04T04:07:02 < englishman> so raj where in canada are u
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2017-06-04T04:26:36 < rajkosto> "more canada"
2017-06-04T04:26:40 < aandrew> lol crt in london
2017-06-04T04:27:14 < aandrew> I'm about an hour west of Tahronnah
2017-06-04T04:27:20 < aandrew> good old K/W
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2017-06-04T05:47:34 < rajkosto> anyone use bluetooth castellated modules
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2017-06-04T05:55:09 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-04T05:55:11 < dongs> everyone.
2017-06-04T05:55:51 < rajkosto> whats the cheapest one that does 2.1+EDR with simple pair
2017-06-04T05:56:23 < rajkosto> (not available in 2.0)
2017-06-04T05:56:24 < dongs> like pretty much any of them. 2.1 is ancient.
2017-06-04T05:56:24 < dongs> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1izVdKFXXXXcDXXXXq6xXFXXXt/2016-New-Keyestudio-font-b-Bluetooth-b-font-font-b-Module-b-font-For-Serial-Wireless.jpg
2017-06-04T05:56:35 < dongs> i think i bought these unmounted for around $1.5 or someshit
2017-06-04T05:56:43 < rajkosto> the most common ones are all 2.0
2017-06-04T05:56:53 < rajkosto> 2.1 came out later on in like 2010 i think
2017-06-04T05:57:25 < rajkosto> thats not castellated ? also where dat CTS/DTR
2017-06-04T05:57:47 < rajkosto> the green pcb is castellated, whats the name of those
2017-06-04T05:57:51 < dongs> i said UNMOUNTED faggot
2017-06-04T05:57:59 < dongs> i.e. the green castelalted pcb thats on the carrier board
2017-06-04T05:58:10 < rajkosto> not even shielded ?
2017-06-04T05:58:21 < rajkosto> are they even certified
2017-06-04T05:58:26 < dongs> of course not
2017-06-04T05:58:29 < dongs> wtf dudebro
2017-06-04T05:58:34 < dongs> if you want certified open up digikey.com
2017-06-04T05:58:35 < dongs> and go
2017-06-04T05:59:13 < rajkosto> i have space on pcb for antenna btw, can have a larger one than that
2017-06-04T06:03:16 < dongs> rajkosto: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/microchip-technology/RN42N-I-RM/740-1043-ND/2601826 here ugo
2017-06-04T06:03:27 < aandrew> if we're playing guess that part... http://imgur.com/a/MUkcK
2017-06-04T06:03:31 < aandrew> trying to find data on that specific BT module
2017-06-04T06:03:52 < aandrew> the bottom chip almost looks like a CSR BGA, but can't find anything on that "BT001" chip on top with the ARM logo
2017-06-04T06:03:53 < rajkosto> yeah give me that one
2017-06-04T06:03:54 < rajkosto> way smaller
2017-06-04T06:04:07 < dongs> that looks like a chink proaudio shit
2017-06-04T06:04:23 < rajkosto> there are small ones with a cage around them
2017-06-04T06:04:26 < rajkosto> with external antenan
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2017-06-04T06:04:35 < aandrew> yeah there are dozens of these things
2017-06-04T06:04:51 < rajkosto> small as in, like a 1cmx1cm square
2017-06-04T06:04:54 < rajkosto> 0201 parts inside
2017-06-04T06:04:54 < aandrew> https://www.rigado.com/products/modules/bmd-200/
2017-06-04T06:05:04 < aandrew> that's another one, pre-certified if that's your thing
2017-06-04T06:05:09 < aandrew> just a 51822
2017-06-04T06:05:16 < rajkosto> dont want soc, uart
2017-06-04T06:05:26 < rajkosto> no LE shit
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2017-06-04T06:05:43 < rajkosto> give me the chink shit
2017-06-04T06:06:24 < aandrew> well the BMD ships with UART-BLE firmwares
2017-06-04T06:13:56 < dongs> fucking my P2000 finally here
2017-06-04T06:15:20 < aandrew> what's that
2017-06-04T06:16:14 < englishman> airsoft pistol
2017-06-04T06:16:53 < dongs> aandrew: pro gpu
2017-06-04T06:19:20 < aandrew> ah
2017-06-04T06:21:58 < rajkosto> how do microsecond timer
2017-06-04T06:22:42 < aandrew> you might be better off using the CPU cycle counter
2017-06-04T06:22:52 < aandrew> IIRC dongs has some code to do that
2017-06-04T06:23:07 < rajkosto> SysTick happens once 1ms yea ? timers faster than that arent possible ?
2017-06-04T06:23:35 < aandrew> actually I have it
2017-06-04T06:23:58 < dongs> rajkosto: systick != cycle counter
2017-06-04T06:26:25 < aandrew> rajkosto: https://pastebin.com/cfa7i25Z
2017-06-04T06:26:31 < aandrew> that is dongs-approved<tm>
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2017-06-04T06:26:59 < dongs> ya
2017-06-04T06:27:01 < dongs> tho i think thats not in F0
2017-06-04T06:27:11 < dongs> you can use any 32bit timer with overflow for that
2017-06-04T06:27:23 < dongs> and get 64bit tsc as a bonus too
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2017-06-04T06:36:40 < crt> Better get doctor blaxter on the rig
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2017-06-04T06:47:45 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/aCi5X0a.jpg
2017-06-04T06:52:21 < rajkosto> aandrew, F1 has it ?
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2017-06-04T07:25:10 < crt> englishman: on the final leg
2017-06-04T07:25:19 < crt> Blaxter mate
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2017-06-04T07:28:15 < dongs> rajkosto: yes
2017-06-04T07:28:36 < dongs> its "optional" in M0 or something
2017-06-04T07:28:46 < dongs> F1 is M3.
2017-06-04T07:28:56 < dongs> gawd my irc is so much faster with new GPU
2017-06-04T07:40:40 < dongs> god damn more fucking garbage chink enig
2017-06-04T07:40:45 < dongs> cannot fucking solder to it at all
2017-06-04T07:40:47 < dongs> fucking wtf
2017-06-04T07:44:08 < emeb_mac> lols
2017-06-04T07:44:19 < emeb_mac> what did they do - coat it with oil?
2017-06-04T07:44:24 < dongs> no fufcking idea
2017-06-04T07:44:35 < emeb_mac> "not really ENIG"
2017-06-04T07:44:35 < dongs> solder balls up on the pins but doesnt even flow on the pad below
2017-06-04T07:44:37 < dongs> fucking retarded
2017-06-04T07:44:52 < emeb_mac> probably cheap substitute - iron pyrite.
2017-06-04T07:44:55 < emeb_mac> "fools gold"
2017-06-04T07:45:21 < emeb_mac> should have gone w/ OSHpark :P
2017-06-04T07:45:54 < Rob235> school starts monday and im almost a week and a half ahead w00t w00t
2017-06-04T07:47:34 < jadew> seed supports via in pad, no?
2017-06-04T07:47:38 < jadew> *seeed
2017-06-04T07:52:22 < dongs> define "supports"
2017-06-04T07:52:27 < dongs> you can make a hole in pad, sure
2017-06-04T07:52:31 < dongs> will it be covered? fuck no
2017-06-04T07:52:45 < dongs> thats usually 20-50% price up in most decent pcb places
2017-06-04T07:53:43 < emeb_mac> OSHpark's vias are tented so if you put a via in a pad there's mask on the other side
2017-06-04T07:53:53 < emeb_mac> keeps most of the wicking under control
2017-06-04T07:54:05 < dongs> eh, pretty sure via tenting is something you specify in your pcb software
2017-06-04T07:54:15 < dongs> i would be pretty fucking pissed if I specifically opened some vias and oshfuck would cover them up
2017-06-04T07:54:17 < emeb_mac> yarite
2017-06-04T07:55:24 < emeb_mac> anyway - if your drills are small and you tent then via-in-pad probably won't suck all the solder away
2017-06-04T07:56:05 < emeb_mac> what's that extra stuff where they fill the vias with some sort of goop?
2017-06-04T07:56:21 < dongs> they fill copper and make it smooth etc
2017-06-04T07:56:25 < dongs> for BGA via in pad
2017-06-04T07:56:30 < emeb_mac> I had some old old OLD beagleboards that had this weird red stuff in all the vias
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2017-06-04T08:02:55 < ds2> emeb_mac: the classics and xM should have that
2017-06-04T08:03:20 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes. it was on the classic
2017-06-04T08:04:04 < ds2> emeb_mac: the specs on that one calls for micro drilled blind vias; all vias are to be filled
2017-06-04T08:04:04 < emeb_mac> geeze - haven't fired one of those up in years. I've got so many of them tho.
2017-06-04T08:05:23 < emeb_mac> boxes full of old useless devboards. the curse of the modern computer hobbyist.
2017-06-04T08:06:16 < ds2> I wouldn't say useless
2017-06-04T08:07:06 < emeb_mac> true. but not useful to me, now.
2017-06-04T08:08:10 < ds2> I find them useful for customer support stuff
2017-06-04T08:08:19 < emeb_mac> we're like sharks swimming - new tech constantly flowing thru us. if we stop then we die.
2017-06-04T08:10:46 < emeb_mac> ds2: I got so much beagle stuff for free from our old pal Bill Mar
2017-06-04T08:11:01 < emeb_mac> back when he wanted me to do an FPGA add-on board for him.
2017-06-04T08:11:33 < emeb_mac> wonder what he's up to these days?
2017-06-04T08:12:51 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-04T08:12:59 < dongs> sourcetree 2.0 doesnt automatically update from 1.9
2017-06-04T08:13:00 < dongs> fail
2017-06-04T08:15:11 < dongs> wat
2017-06-04T08:15:33 < dongs> are they like $20 cuz thats what china wants for awesome low cost high quality steel stencils
2017-06-04T08:15:46 < dongs> R2COM: you should buy my stencil printer if youre into metal stencils
2017-06-04T08:15:51 < emeb_mac> yeah - a pal of mine got steel stencils w/ his boards. pretty sweet deal
2017-06-04T08:16:18 < dongs> why would pcb size matter for stencil. don't you get it in some fixed larger size?
2017-06-04T08:16:35 < dongs> k
2017-06-04T08:16:54 < dongs> it rules
2017-06-04T08:17:07 < dongs> its pro-priced :(
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2017-06-04T08:18:07 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqovFp5HOU just need a stencil with extra bits around perimeter for the stretch part http://i.imgur.com/9mYyHFx.jpg
2017-06-04T08:20:06 < dongs> time to play some video gamez
2017-06-04T08:20:10 < dongs> or troll amp!six
2017-06-04T08:20:12 < dongs> which would it be?!
2017-06-04T08:23:26 < dongs> wtf i lost my copy of windiff
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2017-06-04T08:50:38 < ohsix> buns
2017-06-04T08:50:55 < ohsix> hi i'm here dongs, proceed
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2017-06-04T08:53:39 < ds2> emeb_mac: think same old stuff... been a while since I talked to him
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2017-06-04T09:07:32 < ohsix> electric lawnmowers could used tethered quadrotors, saw some commercial equipment with one a few weeks ago
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2017-06-04T09:13:38 < ohsix> rajkosto: did you figure out why reset wasn't working? i had to pass an extra option between two cfg's
2017-06-04T09:13:55 < rajkosto> no, reset still doesnt work
2017-06-04T09:14:19 < rajkosto> i tried trst_only none srst_only
2017-06-04T09:14:22 < rajkosto> they all give me the "not halted" thing
2017-06-04T09:14:27 < rajkosto> (srst_only is worse)
2017-06-04T09:14:52 < ohsix> how are you starting openocd
2017-06-04T09:15:15 < rajkosto> -f interface.cfg -f target/stm32f1x.cfg
2017-06-04T09:15:29 < ohsix> k it's not in my history anymore gimme a minute to figure it out
2017-06-04T09:16:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.redd.it/xotah2h2mi1z.jpg
2017-06-04T09:17:03 < rajkosto> basically "reset init" on telnet also does the same thing, just "timed out while waiting for target halted"
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2017-06-04T09:34:28 < rajkosto> lol and now for some reason the flash loader demonstrator app works to upload my hex files but the cmdline ver doesnt
2017-06-04T09:34:37 < dongs> cmdline of what
2017-06-04T09:34:44 < ohsix> fff
2017-06-04T09:34:45 < rajkosto> STMFlashLoader.exe
2017-06-04T09:34:46 < ds2>   
2017-06-04T09:34:47 < ohsix> can't find my notes
2017-06-04T09:34:52 < ohsix> still looking
2017-06-04T09:35:11 < ohsix> started using google keep after this junk heheh
2017-06-04T09:35:25 < rajkosto> (the cmdline fails on verify first block, the GUI version finishes and verifies fine and the firmware runs)
2017-06-04T09:35:55 < ohsix> how do you have boot0/1 set
2017-06-04T09:36:11 < rajkosto> the same way for both cmdline and gui :P
2017-06-04T09:36:14 < rajkosto> otherwise it doesnt proceed with the write
2017-06-04T09:36:32 < dongs> i mean you're already using command line, might as well just use stm32flash
2017-06-04T09:37:00 < dongs> flash lolder demonstrator isnt eaxctly quality ocde
2017-06-04T09:37:02 < dongs> code, too
2017-06-04T09:37:05 < dongs> that shit is buggy as fuck
2017-06-04T09:37:15 < rajkosto> heck bork
2017-06-04T09:40:47 < rajkosto> stm32flash cant open com port on windows ?
2017-06-04T09:41:25 < rajkosto> nvm we balling
2017-06-04T09:42:54 < rajkosto> that works gud
2017-06-04T09:43:06 < rajkosto> so why usb stack from stm32cube not work
2017-06-04T09:43:20 < dongs> stm32flash is surprisingly clean written for opensores project
2017-06-04T09:43:24 < dongs> i even ported it to STM32 with minimal effort
2017-06-04T09:43:31 < dongs> to use with my standalone flasher
2017-06-04T09:44:00 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prPDSdj0bHA
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2017-06-04T09:49:40 < upgrdman> :)
2017-06-04T09:51:00 < upgrdman> this actually sounds like it would have been fun as a kid  https://i.redd.it/yff5a7yhjh1z.jpg
2017-06-04T09:51:18 < upgrdman> not safe, but fun
2017-06-04T09:51:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/btwHNG5.jpg
2017-06-04T09:58:23 < zyp> sync, it's just «you», same as in german AFAIK
2017-06-04T10:12:12 < ohsix> holy shit i can't find muh notes
2017-06-04T10:13:47 < rajkosto> why my f103 no enumerate as usb device
2017-06-04T10:15:04 < ohsix> 23:35 < ohsix> how do you have boot0/1 set
2017-06-04T10:15:08 < ohsix> h3h
2017-06-04T10:15:20 < ohsix> iirc you set dfu mode with them too
2017-06-04T10:15:33 < rajkosto> i mean... when running my firmware
2017-06-04T10:15:46 < rajkosto> using the custom hid USB FS option
2017-06-04T10:15:47 < ohsix> no idea
2017-06-04T10:15:53 < ohsix> a loonix around is handy for that shit
2017-06-04T10:16:04 < ohsix> it complains loudly about endpoints not beign set and stuff after reset
2017-06-04T10:16:27 < rajkosto> hmm i never defined the DISCONNECT gpio pin
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2017-06-04T10:16:36 < ohsix> plus libusb is a bit easier
2017-06-04T10:16:45 < rajkosto> i just want to get windows to doodoop it
2017-06-04T10:16:55 < ohsix> you can unbind shit and send raw junk while you're developing
2017-06-04T10:17:05 < rajkosto> yes i use winusb for that
2017-06-04T10:17:16 < rajkosto> but i just want it to appear in device manager
2017-06-04T10:18:51 < ohsix> werd
2017-06-04T10:19:11 < ohsix> was a fairly serious suggestion to use a loonix, even if just in a virtual machine
2017-06-04T10:19:29 < rajkosto> "a loonix around"
2017-06-04T10:19:31 < rajkosto> i thought it was a user
2017-06-04T10:19:37 < ohsix> the windows event viewer might show something, and you may even be able to set some debug flag in winusb
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2017-06-04T10:21:11 < ohsix> :[ not finding notes is semi-serious but ignorable stress
2017-06-04T10:21:32 < ohsix> can't think of where i would have put them if they're not in all the useful places for junk
2017-06-04T10:23:07 < ohsix> oh shit found some service manuals i needed for something on google drive for some reason
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2017-06-04T10:31:00 < ohsix> unix not needing file extensions is real cute and all, but that i didn't put .txt on this shit means i'm probably not going to find it
2017-06-04T10:38:47 < rajkosto> my problem was that i was holding USB_DISCONNECT disconnected :P
2017-06-04T10:38:56 < rajkosto> we badooping now
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2017-06-04T11:03:07 < dongs> lol, typical amp!six advice
2017-06-04T11:03:12 < dongs> install lunix to make usb work
2017-06-04T11:03:12 < dongs> k
2017-06-04T11:05:53 < englishman> boy R2COM sure is retarded
2017-06-04T11:08:28 < zyp> no shit
2017-06-04T11:18:15 < dongs> heh
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2017-06-04T11:32:46 < ohsix> ReadError: watching scanlime thing, she put swd on a thing with readout protection but you can still read ram???// going to have to follow up tomorrow, if that's true lul
2017-06-04T11:42:44 < zyp> ohsix, in my experience, once you connect to a ROP-protected chip over swd, it kills the flash interface
2017-06-04T11:42:55 < zyp> so the chip can no longer read or execute from the flash
2017-06-04T11:43:53 < zyp> IIRC you still got access to the ram contents, but considering the firmware is XIP, you usually can't do much with just that
2017-06-04T11:44:05 < zyp> unless there's crypto keys or similar in there
2017-06-04T11:46:44 < zyp> but then again, if you do crypto and want any sort of actual security, you should probably use a chip designed for that
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2017-06-04T11:50:38 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Alu-Frame-FPV-Camera-Brushless-Gimbal-Shock-Absorber-DJI-Phanto-Gopro-3-3/32296531457.html heh that's cheap
2017-06-04T11:51:05 < ohsix> zyp: yea, i didn't think to look in ram tho last time it came up
2017-06-04T11:51:23 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFPMEADMIJNXYOGSN2HVTGWW3LCA found R2COM's amazon account
2017-06-04T11:51:27 < ohsix> can you write ram in that case too?
2017-06-04T11:52:36 < ohsix> derp nm @ cheap, says no motors
2017-06-04T11:56:22 < dongs> so what do I need to run fiber about 500 meters, zyp
2017-06-04T11:56:35 < dongs> can i just buy a 500meter weaterhproof patch cable
2017-06-04T11:57:39 < zyp> what speed?
2017-06-04T11:57:43 < dongs> gbit
2017-06-04T11:58:53 < ohsix> just some media converters?
2017-06-04T11:59:02 < zyp> looks like 1000BASE-SX is rated for 550m on OM2
2017-06-04T12:00:01 < zyp> so you need at least OM2-rated cable if you wanna do -SX
2017-06-04T12:00:17 < invzim> 'nobody' uses multimode anymore
2017-06-04T12:00:19 < zyp> otherwise you could get -LX transceivers and just run a singlemode cable
2017-06-04T12:00:21 < invzim> (sx)
2017-06-04T12:00:56 < dongs> yeah i dont wanna use shit nobody uses
2017-06-04T12:01:01 < dongs> dont wanna spend a lot on this either
2017-06-04T12:01:23 < ohsix> h3h https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BASE-T1
2017-06-04T12:01:51 < dongs> http://www.cablek.com/technical-reference/fiber-optic-cable-types
2017-06-04T12:02:25 < dongs> why tehy gotta only list 10gb in that table
2017-06-04T12:02:37 < invzim> 500meter is pretty long..
2017-06-04T12:02:47 < dongs> i thought that was the point of fiber
2017-06-04T12:02:52 < zyp> oh, heh, price on -LX transceivers is certainly not an argument anymore, ref. http://www.fs.com/products/12674.html
2017-06-04T12:03:11 < dongs> zyp, yeah i saw some parts on that site, im nomt sure how legit it is tho
2017-06-04T12:03:18 < dongs> they had some adtran? or someshit stuff that was $260 on one site
2017-06-04T12:03:20 < invzim> dongs: inside/outside/conduits in place etc?
2017-06-04T12:03:20 < dongs> and $10 on there
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2017-06-04T12:03:39 < dongs> invzim: gonna route the shit through some drain pipes and then some poles
2017-06-04T12:03:48 < zyp> dongs, well, the transceivers are compatibles, not genuine brand names
2017-06-04T12:04:00 < zyp> compatible as in having cloned id eeprom data
2017-06-04T12:04:00 < dongs> ah, 'compatible' ok
2017-06-04T12:04:01 < dongs> right
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2017-06-04T12:04:17 < zyp> it's not like paying for brand name matters, you just want shit that works
2017-06-04T12:04:18 < invzim> wireless not an option?
2017-06-04T12:04:25 < dongs> invzim: sure is, just boring
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2017-06-04T12:04:48 < invzim> running 500m of optic outside is going to cost a bit and be pita to install regardless
2017-06-04T12:04:50 < dongs> unless you can point me to a cheap point to point <= gbit wireless
2017-06-04T12:04:52 < zyp> but anyway, just grab some $7 transceivers and a spool of SM cable
2017-06-04T12:05:26 < dongs> invzim: yeah i'd be ghettoing it up, so install cost would be zero
2017-06-04T12:05:33 < dongs> i own both properties and the space between them
2017-06-04T12:05:33 < invzim> and have a friend that can terminate it for you
2017-06-04T12:06:00 < invzim> or just call some installation guys, pretend you work for a telco so they won't ass-rape you price wise :)
2017-06-04T12:06:04 < zyp> either have a friend with a fusion splicer, or just buy preterminated
2017-06-04T12:06:18 < invzim> preterminated through 500m outdoor is going to be, well..
2017-06-04T12:06:19 < invzim> :)
2017-06-04T12:06:39 < zyp> invzim, they exist
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2017-06-04T12:08:14 < dongs> https://www.airforce.com/vr-request-form
2017-06-04T12:08:23 < dongs> now ohsix can finally afford vr
2017-06-04T12:09:09 < zyp> http://www.fs.com/products/29584.html <- they want $300-ish for 500m of this with LC connectors in both ends
2017-06-04T12:09:37 < dongs> zyp, nice
2017-06-04T12:11:48 < dongs> fs.com looks fucking amazing
2017-06-04T12:12:17 < zyp> yeah, that's what I also thought when I recently found it
2017-06-04T12:13:08 < invzim> dongs: which country do you live in?
2017-06-04T12:13:26 < zyp> http://www.fs.com/c/uniboot-lc-cables-974 <- I'm tempted to grab some of these and replace the cabling in my 10G home setup
2017-06-04T12:13:31 < dongs> invzim: japan
2017-06-04T12:13:48 < dongs> zyp, cheap patch cables?
2017-06-04T12:14:07 < zyp> yeah, nice-looking ones as well
2017-06-04T12:15:30 < invzim> not sure about japan, but in Norway at least, electricians and telco installers are world class scammers when it comes to cost
2017-06-04T12:15:52 < dongs> im sure zyp knows
2017-06-04T12:15:57 < zyp> haha, yeah
2017-06-04T12:16:30 < dongs> anyway, wehn i built the house I just told the electric guy to run my shit thorugh conduit and did the terminating/crimping etc myself
2017-06-04T12:16:40 < invzim> it's so bad we have sersiously considering hiring people to do that stuff in-house so we don't have to deal with their bs
2017-06-04T12:16:53  * invzim works for a small telco/ISP
2017-06-04T12:17:40 < zyp> last place I lived, I ran the cable for my EV charger outlet myself, just paid for parts and a guy to hook up each end since I couldn't legally do that myself
2017-06-04T12:18:07 < zyp> came out to 4200 NOK, most of it was the DC-RCD shit that's mandatory on charger outlets
2017-06-04T12:19:01 < zyp> when I moved in february, house owner here had a guy do the same here, came out to about 10k NOK
2017-06-04T12:20:44 < zyp> prices for parts were like 50% higher than the company I used the other place too
2017-06-04T12:21:44 < zyp> kinda pissed about that, I'm not gonna let the electrician supply the parts without an upfront quote next time
2017-06-04T12:24:29 < englishman> much like car parts, that's 50% of the rape
2017-06-04T12:24:36 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-04T12:26:02 < zyp> one of my friends recently hit a concrete block with his car
2017-06-04T12:27:01 < zyp> the workshop that did the repair quote piled on so much shit they wanted to replace that it came out to 120k NOK, car itself was valued 60k NOK before the accident
2017-06-04T12:27:37 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-04T12:27:44 < dongs> commercial point to point wifi-ac stuff might be viable too
2017-06-04T12:27:58 < zyp> a couple of ubnt nanobeams?
2017-06-04T12:28:24 < zyp> or if your budget is big, airfibers
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2017-06-04T12:28:39 < dongs> they're all signle MCS9 channel tho
2017-06-04T12:28:45 < dongs> so like 433mbit max
2017-06-04T12:28:58 < dongs> is mimo shit not a thing in commercial shits?
2017-06-04T12:29:04 < englishman> fibre sounds ideal
2017-06-04T12:29:12 < zyp> idk how much I'd trust wifi
2017-06-04T12:29:18 < dongs> yeah it sure is
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2017-06-04T12:29:27 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-04T12:29:33 < zyp> if you already have a way to run fiber, I'd just put down a cable and then you can hook up whatever to the ends
2017-06-04T12:29:34 < dongs> R2COM: I think he did, which is why he said you were a dumbfuck
2017-06-04T12:29:37 < rajkosto> aandrew, the timestamp reading works but shouldnt i just set up a TIM wiht 1MHz clock instead
2017-06-04T12:29:39 < englishman> point out what?
2017-06-04T12:29:46 < englishman> I bet you didn't even read rm
2017-06-04T12:29:49 < invzim> the ubiquity stuff is pretty decent and will let you know about interference with other sources
2017-06-04T12:29:52 < dongs> rajkosto: if you got a timer to waste, sure
2017-06-04T12:30:01 < englishman> of the ira in 2001?
2017-06-04T12:30:12 < dongs> invzim: ive got a pair of 5ghz mikrodik SXT5 or wahtever shits between 2 other locations, works great
2017-06-04T12:30:19 < englishman> pretty sure I haven't chatted about any ira bombings
2017-06-04T12:30:21 < englishman> anyway
2017-06-04T12:30:37 < englishman> your low quality chats have proved you are just too retarded to live
2017-06-04T12:30:40 < englishman> going on iggy
2017-06-04T12:30:56 < rajkosto> i have no idea how to set it up in cubemx tho
2017-06-04T12:31:22 < dongs> setup whyat
2017-06-04T12:31:39 < rajkosto> timer at 1MHz
2017-06-04T12:31:49 < englishman> sometimes I think leeloo was a higher quality chattet
2017-06-04T12:31:55 < englishman> chatter
2017-06-04T12:32:04 < dongs> well, leeloo is back
2017-06-04T12:32:10 < dongs> so you can commence quality chats
2017-06-04T12:32:26 < Steffanx> Oops. Crt was IS? Crt goes to london and shit hits the fan.
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2017-06-04T12:32:44 < englishman> at least she was on topic sometimes
2017-06-04T12:32:57 < dongs> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/03/london-bridge-closed-after-serious-police-incident-live RIP CRT
2017-06-04T12:33:04 < englishman> steffy I think he'll be arriving just about now.
2017-06-04T12:33:17 < englishman> meanwhile this plane I'm in just won't take off.
2017-06-04T12:33:53 < Steffanx> Yes. Shitty time to arrive
2017-06-04T12:34:04 < Steffanx> Wasnt it tesla time for you?
2017-06-04T12:34:09 < englishman> yes
2017-06-04T12:34:21 < englishman> in about 4h
2017-06-04T12:34:45 < dongs> going to california to count windmills again?
2017-06-04T12:35:29 < dongs> hm some shits do mimo
2017-06-04T12:35:39 < dongs> what the fuck prevents mimo for point to point stuff?
2017-06-04T12:35:45 < dongs> something about antenna position etc?
2017-06-04T12:35:48 < dongs> i donno shit about rf
2017-06-04T12:35:59 < Steffanx> englishman on holiday?
2017-06-04T12:36:02 < rajkosto> you need multiple antennas for MIMO lol
2017-06-04T12:36:21 < dongs> rajkosto: yes, i know, so why cant you just have x of them inside a box
2017-06-04T12:36:35 < rajkosto> because with point to point they are basically the same antenna
2017-06-04T12:36:54 < dongs> ok. so anything that claims to offer mimo for this kidna shit is a scam?
2017-06-04T12:37:08 < rajkosto> MIMO uses the phase difference between signals to measure stuff and get more bandwidth, when you have 2 identical antennas pointed at identical targets, there wont be any
2017-06-04T12:37:21 < dongs> ok. excellent info
2017-06-04T12:37:58 < rajkosto> MIMO technology uses a natural radio-wave phenomenon called multipath. With multipath, transmitted information bounces off walls, ceilings, and other objects, reaching the receiving antenna multiple times at different angles and slightly different times.
2017-06-04T12:38:05 < rajkosto> if they are both straight identical lines, it doesnt do shit
2017-06-04T12:38:42 < dongs> ok
2017-06-04T12:38:52 < invzim> dongs: got line of sight between the two locations?
2017-06-04T12:38:58 < dongs> yeah definitely
2017-06-04T12:39:54 < rajkosto> cant you use those ubiquity bullet things ?
2017-06-04T12:40:08 < dongs> are they > 540mbit?
2017-06-04T12:40:12 < invzim> https://airlink.ubnt.com/#/ptp
2017-06-04T12:40:29 < dongs> wtf why does that need an account
2017-06-04T12:40:46 < invzim> worth it..
2017-06-04T12:40:50 < dongs> waht does it do
2017-06-04T12:41:03 < rajkosto> ubiquity uses "not quite wifi" standards
2017-06-04T12:41:08 < rajkosto> optimized for p2p links
2017-06-04T12:41:12 < dongs> yes, same as mikrotik
2017-06-04T12:41:18 < dongs> the 5ghz shit ih ave uses NV2 or whatever
2017-06-04T12:41:33 < zyp> I think the ubnt ac shit is MIMO
2017-06-04T12:41:34 < invzim> you can plot in where your two locations are, you can play with antennas/equipment and see what you likely will get through
2017-06-04T12:42:57 < rajkosto> what clock domain clocks the timers ?
2017-06-04T12:42:58 < dongs> line of sight its 100 meterts according to that map
2017-06-04T12:43:08 < dongs> rajkosto: uh, depends what bus the timer is on
2017-06-04T12:43:12 < dongs> AHB/APB1/2/etc
2017-06-04T12:43:19 < dongs> they're all on different ones
2017-06-04T12:43:20 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-04_11-43-19.png
2017-06-04T12:43:33 < dongs> but I know with all the crap for the cabling it would be 2x that at least
2017-06-04T12:43:48 < dongs> rajkosto: yeah so it says rigth there...
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2017-06-04T12:43:56 < dongs> APB1,2 timers
2017-06-04T12:43:59 < rajkosto> doesnt say which timer is 32bit
2017-06-04T12:44:03 < dongs> on F1?
2017-06-04T12:44:04 < dongs> none of htem
2017-06-04T12:45:00 < dongs> ohh
2017-06-04T12:45:03 < dongs> there's 24ghz shit
2017-06-04T12:45:58 < dongs> .. at $1500/unit yea no
2017-06-04T12:46:12 < rajkosto> WiGig is 60GHz lol
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2017-06-04T12:48:33 < rajkosto> up to 7gbps
2017-06-04T12:48:47 < rajkosto> but low range exact LoS
2017-06-04T12:49:19 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-04T12:49:21 < dongs> 11ghz stuff is cheaper
2017-06-04T12:49:26 < dongs> oh lulz
2017-06-04T12:49:28 < dongs> needs a fucking fcc license wat
2017-06-04T12:49:54 < dongs> i should ask my canadian ISP pal if I can paypal that from him under the table
2017-06-04T12:51:52 < dongs> hm still too expensive.
2017-06-04T12:51:55 < dongs> would be more than fiber stuff.
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2017-06-04T12:54:44 < invzim> if you CAN run fiber at reasonable cost, which is mostly about having a place to run it without excavation/massive drilling etc, I would go for that
2017-06-04T12:54:56 < dongs> yeah, the route for it is clear
2017-06-04T12:55:08 < dongs> i just have to run it through some ditches and poles
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2017-06-04T13:15:43 < englishman> did you have a sixth kid
2017-06-04T13:17:48 < dongs> yes, already named amp!six
2017-06-04T13:17:57 < dongs> 60ghz shit is ridiculously priced
2017-06-04T13:18:20 < dongs> i have a nice underground tunnel for like 90% of the distance i need to cover with fiber
2017-06-04T13:18:29 < dongs> might not even need a pole at all
2017-06-04T13:20:46 < Steffanx> 6 kids, damn.
2017-06-04T13:20:53 < Steffanx> Poor wifecop
2017-06-04T13:23:23 < dongs> http://www.balticnetworks.com/siklu-etherhaul-600tx-kit-500mb-aggregate-poe-integrated-antennna.html and im pretty sure they're counting 500mbit half duplex as "1gbit" both ways
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2017-06-04T13:23:37 < dongs> for for nearly 10x price increase over 5ghz ac shit, nearly same speed
2017-06-04T13:23:53 < dongs> also siklu has a jappu reseller
2017-06-04T13:23:58 < dongs> which means they cant be legit
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2017-06-04T13:36:29 < aandrew> heh. I thought I was the only crazy one with 6 kids
2017-06-04T13:36:45 < aandrew> (2 wives to get to that but still)
2017-06-04T13:38:18 < englishman> and 2 husbands
2017-06-04T13:39:21 < rajkosto> can i get an interrupt every USB frame request from host ?
2017-06-04T13:39:29 < rajkosto> why dont they make this stuff more accessible
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2017-06-04T13:43:16 < rajkosto> (and if i did would it make it in time to respond or)
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2017-06-04T14:22:30 < invzim> can someone help med understand this footprint?
2017-06-04T14:22:32 < invzim> http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent//fci/drawing/10118194.pdf
2017-06-04T14:22:54 < dongs> what about it?
2017-06-04T14:22:56 < dongs> i use that
2017-06-04T14:23:15 < invzim> is it 2 smd pads with paste for anchor, and 2 pads with paste in the middle?
2017-06-04T14:23:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0vimeg5.png does that help?
2017-06-04T14:24:20 < invzim> yahman, production tested?
2017-06-04T14:24:30 < dongs> probly > 10k boards with it
2017-06-04T14:24:34 < dongs> so eyah
2017-06-04T14:24:34 < invzim> nice
2017-06-04T14:24:52 < invzim> according to the datasheet, it sticks quite a bit out of the pcb?
2017-06-04T14:25:06 < dongs> thats wehre that pink ilne is
2017-06-04T14:26:27 < dongs> hm no
2017-06-04T14:26:36 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3TE5OeGtEWXZRa0U/view
2017-06-04T14:26:51 < dongs> right
2017-06-04T14:27:09 < invzim> white line is pcb edge, if I observe the 1.45 between anchor pad and edge
2017-06-04T14:27:27 < dongs> doesnt need to be that far
2017-06-04T14:28:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cT6nUE8.jpg
2017-06-04T14:28:17 < dongs> typical setup
2017-06-04T14:29:19 < dongs> pcb edge to center of 1st hole is 2.09mm
2017-06-04T14:29:42 < dongs> and PCB cutout ends up being right at that bending down part
2017-06-04T14:29:57 < invzim> great
2017-06-04T14:30:11 < invzim> so no need to do selective/hand soldering on these?
2017-06-04T14:30:17 < dongs> fuck no
2017-06-04T14:30:19 < dongs> just paste in pad
2017-06-04T14:30:25 < dongs> add paste layer over those 4 pads
2017-06-04T14:30:26 < dongs> and done
2017-06-04T14:30:28 < invzim> fantastic :)
2017-06-04T14:33:38 < dongs> i wonder why that footprint specifies 1.45mm for pcb end
2017-06-04T14:33:55 < dongs> tahts what i haev in my footprint too
2017-06-04T14:34:03 < dongs> that pink line is 1.45
2017-06-04T14:34:08 < dongs> but actual pcb edge is more like 2mm
2017-06-04T14:40:08 < invzim> so you have your own little assembly setup?
2017-06-04T14:41:26 < englishman> you forget this is a pro chan for pros
2017-06-04T14:41:59 < invzim> you all have personal companies with complete assembly lines?! :)
2017-06-04T14:42:15 < englishman> most yeah
2017-06-04T14:42:39 < englishman> inevitable result of using pro hardware like stm32
2017-06-04T14:43:01 < englishman> the rest of your life has to be upgraded to reach its level
2017-06-04T14:43:25 < englishman> well, the open source guys don't have any pro equipment
2017-06-04T14:43:44 < englishman> as they have to spend all their time remembering openocd command line commands
2017-06-04T14:43:50 < Ultrasauce> some people talk to girls
2017-06-04T14:43:55 < Ultrasauce> some people talk to command line interfaces
2017-06-04T14:44:22 < invzim> so what is the best p&p for small scale these days, neoden4?
2017-06-04T14:44:30 < englishman> good morning ultra
2017-06-04T14:44:44 < Ultrasauce> it is indeed
2017-06-04T14:45:09 < englishman> dong has experience with neoden, I didn't go with it, feeders were a turnoff
2017-06-04T14:45:45 < invzim> I wish the stuff I make(pun intended) would reach levels of interest that would justify a p&p setup :)
2017-06-04T14:56:55 < Streaker> How do you recover from a situation where stlink can't connect to the target with error "STLink: USB Communication error"
2017-06-04T14:57:26 < Streaker> Not sure what caused it, but I changed some of the clock dividers
2017-06-04T14:57:56 < Streaker> I've tried "connect under reset"
2017-06-04T15:08:51 < Streaker> Hmm... so the solution turned out to be "mash the reset button harder and faster"
2017-06-04T15:09:26 < Streaker> You're not doing it right if the FR4 doesn't bend.
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2017-06-04T15:13:28 < Streaker> How do I find out which prescaler change was the culprit?
2017-06-04T15:14:30 < Streaker> USB runs off which clock?
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2017-06-04T15:18:38 < dongs> Streaker: who are ytou getting advice from
2017-06-04T15:18:41 < dongs> i dont see anyone chatting
2017-06-04T15:19:54 < Streaker> I'm talking to myself
2017-06-04T15:20:50 < Streaker> Do STM32F103 parts get flaky if you clock them to 64MHz?
2017-06-04T15:21:19 < dongs> no
2017-06-04T15:21:22 < dongs> but USB doesnt work.
2017-06-04T15:21:32 < Streaker> Why?
2017-06-04T15:21:46 < dongs> because there's no 48MHz clock source
2017-06-04T15:22:34 < Streaker> But it works when I clock it to 32MHz. That's not 48MHz either.
2017-06-04T15:22:50 < dongs> donno then, ive only ran them at 72 or higher
2017-06-04T15:23:00 < dongs> (and didnt carea bout usb at that point)
2017-06-04T15:23:21 < Streaker> How do you debug then?
2017-06-04T15:23:28 < dongs> debug what?
2017-06-04T15:24:00 < dongs> why would I need USB for debug?
2017-06-04T15:24:10 < dongs> i can step/watch/etc over SWD
2017-06-04T15:24:19 < dongs> and trace over SWO
2017-06-04T15:26:16 < Streaker> Stlinks error message confused me. I'm debugging over SWD. But the message from STLink said "USB Communication failed"
2017-06-04T15:26:27 < dongs> no
2017-06-04T15:26:40 < Streaker> USB has nothing to do with this.
2017-06-04T15:26:41 < dongs> maybe stlink failed or someshit, but has nothing to do wiht USB core
2017-06-04T15:26:44 < dongs> correct.
2017-06-04T15:26:44 < Thorn> Streaker: use the clock tab in cube. it's different between e.g. f0 and f4
2017-06-04T15:26:56 < Thorn> in f4, usb clock is normally taken from a second divider (PLLQ) in the main PLL
2017-06-04T15:27:02 < Thorn> 72 is max iirc
2017-06-04T15:27:52 < Streaker> Thorn: that's what I did. Something I did in cube caused SWD to fail.  (Sorry for the confusion wrt USB)
2017-06-04T15:27:59 < dongs> no
2017-06-04T15:28:16 < dongs> on F1 you cant even disable SWD without doing syscfg or whatever shit
2017-06-04T15:28:24 < dongs> can't turn it off just by setting pin to AIN or someshit
2017-06-04T15:30:39 < Streaker> There's no way to screw up SWD by setting clock/prescaler too high or too low?
2017-06-04T15:30:44 < dongs> no
2017-06-04T15:30:48 < Streaker> Hmm
2017-06-04T15:31:08 < dongs> its not even dependent on your cpu clock as its clocked by swclk line anyway.
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2017-06-04T15:45:11 < crt> I'm
2017-06-04T15:45:18 < crt> Hi Laurenceb
2017-06-04T15:45:22 < crt> I came
2017-06-04T15:45:23 < dongs> crt, why did you have to blow up the london bridge
2017-06-04T15:45:40 < crt> Hi
2017-06-04T15:46:36 < crt> Why oh why
2017-06-04T15:48:30 < crt> Here I am laughing in the fucking can
2017-06-04T15:48:48 < crt> While the driver is explaining the shit that went down
2017-06-04T15:48:54 < crt> Car
2017-06-04T15:49:02 < crt> You bastard
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2017-06-04T15:49:21 < dongs> Lol
2017-06-04T15:49:25 < crt> Now I look like some fucking evil bastard
2017-06-04T15:49:43 < dongs> BREAKING: london bridge is falling down, courtesy of crt
2017-06-04T15:52:28 < crt> 24 hours with no sleep
2017-06-04T15:52:33 < crt> I'm cracking up
2017-06-04T15:52:59 < zyp> haha
2017-06-04T15:53:32 < Steffanx> Uhm, afaik you are no different now than you are ever crt :P
2017-06-04T15:54:15 < crt> This shit just happened man even lil blaxter would wait 3 days
2017-06-04T15:54:18 < crt> Lol
2017-06-04T15:54:22 < Steffanx> y u no sleep in aeroplane crt?
2017-06-04T15:54:28 < crt> I did
2017-06-04T15:54:46 < crt> For small amounts
2017-06-04T15:55:02 < zyp> Steffanx, not everybody can do that
2017-06-04T15:55:03 < zyp> I mean
2017-06-04T15:55:10 < zyp> I can't really sleep sitting up
2017-06-04T15:55:24 < Steffanx> i can. i guess i learned that while doing many train trips.
2017-06-04T15:55:28 < Steffanx> and bus.
2017-06-04T15:55:49 < zyp> my body's weird, I can't really sleep lying on my back either
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2017-06-04T15:57:37 < Steffanx> heh
2017-06-04T15:58:00 < dongs> my last 1st class intl flight i could sleep pretty good
2017-06-04T15:58:07 < dongs> but fuck trying to sleep sitting down
2017-06-04T16:00:02 < Steffanx> Anyway, welcome to Europe, crt
2017-06-04T16:00:17 < zyp> yeah, when I flew first class to japan I figured I would probably have been able to sleep, but I hadn't planned on sleeping
2017-06-04T16:00:47 < zyp> I usually just sleep well in advance
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2017-06-04T16:36:20 < crt> Laurenceb_:
2017-06-04T16:36:23 < crt> Come over
2017-06-04T16:36:40 < Laurenceb_> you already killed 7
2017-06-04T16:36:46 < Laurenceb_> not sure I'd be safe
2017-06-04T16:37:14 < Laurenceb_> where are you?
2017-06-04T16:37:44 < crt> The belchers inn
2017-06-04T16:39:00 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-06-04T16:39:29 < Steffanx> the what indeed?
2017-06-04T16:39:45 < crt> Laurenceb_: fuckin
2017-06-04T16:39:48 < crt> Hold on
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2017-06-04T17:02:13 < crt> Every unit trying to call me
2017-06-04T17:14:10 < Steffanx> unit..
2017-06-04T17:14:19 < Steffanx> Could Require Translation. crt.
2017-06-04T17:15:09 < crt> Every twit
2017-06-04T17:15:31 < Steffanx> How are the uklanders dealing with your aussiness?
2017-06-04T17:15:33 < crt> Now that I've escaped everyone wants me?!?
2017-06-04T17:15:53 < crt> Considering the first one I met was from Poland, fine
2017-06-04T17:16:06 < Steffanx> taxi driver?
2017-06-04T17:17:55 < crt> Nah dunno who he was
2017-06-04T17:18:08 < crt> Certainly didn't have a Brit accent
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2017-06-04T17:19:20 < crt> So I tell you this
2017-06-04T17:19:44 < crt> Wait I have no idea
2017-06-04T17:20:08 < Steffanx> I always tell you this.
2017-06-04T17:20:20 < crt> Maybe the cabin pressure fucked my bearing
2017-06-04T17:20:33 < Steffanx> It's all fine and dandy.
2017-06-04T17:20:39 < crt> Guy behind me had an issue
2017-06-04T17:20:39 < Steffanx> I dont notice any difference.
2017-06-04T17:20:46 < crt> So I have him my chewing gum
2017-06-04T17:21:01 < crt> As I was going to chew some of it affected me
2017-06-04T17:21:08 < crt> If it
2017-06-04T17:21:11 < Steffanx> "Here ya have mine mate".
2017-06-04T17:21:22 < crt> That's what I said
2017-06-04T17:21:26 < crt> Worked cause he was an Aussie
2017-06-04T17:25:00 < Steffanx> :)
2017-06-04T17:28:39 < Laurenceb_> til: crt cannot into maps
2017-06-04T17:30:59 < Steffanx> imho you should still do a crt vlog crt.
2017-06-04T17:33:13 < Laurenceb_> The belchers inn
2017-06-04T17:33:23 < Laurenceb_> cuz everyone in uk knows where that is
2017-06-04T17:33:42 < Steffanx> google doesnt know so it does not exist
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2017-06-04T17:51:48 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-04T17:51:53 < dongs> my COMP is not getting any interrupt
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2017-06-04T17:55:37 < Laurenceb_> http://scanlime.org/
2017-06-04T17:55:43 < Laurenceb_> not sure if actually female
2017-06-04T17:57:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLIaJBqcjNI
2017-06-04T17:57:16 < dongs> definitely male
2017-06-04T17:57:18 < dongs> hear that voice.
2017-06-04T17:57:43 < Laurenceb_> dat hormone treatment
2017-06-04T17:58:35 < dongs> confirmed by internet
2017-06-04T17:58:42 < dongs> male pics @ flicker from 2008
2017-06-04T17:58:47 < dongs> you can put your dicks down
2017-06-04T17:58:49 < dongs> its leloo 2.0
2017-06-04T17:59:50 < englishman> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HvkQ7nQ4/IMG_20170604_105900.jpg
2017-06-04T18:00:02 < Steffanx> must add @freenode
2017-06-04T18:00:02 < dongs> lewl
2017-06-04T18:00:07 < dongs> that awful fucking interior
2017-06-04T18:00:10 < dongs> sitting in a $80k car
2017-06-04T18:00:19 < dongs> and it looks like a $10k piece of shit
2017-06-04T18:00:32 < Laurenceb_> that desktop is annoying tbh
2017-06-04T18:00:38 < Laurenceb_> IDA looks kind of nice
2017-06-04T18:00:45 < dongs> what desktop
2017-06-04T18:01:05 < Laurenceb_> the tranny
2017-06-04T18:01:10 < englishman> I must say it has the build quality of a $50k car
2017-06-04T18:01:25 < dongs> does it really?
2017-06-04T18:02:08 < Laurenceb_> you could probably do all of that "hacking" with pen and paper in half the time
2017-06-04T18:02:24 < Laurenceb_> overkill python stupidity
2017-06-04T18:02:32 < Steffanx> propably.
2017-06-04T18:02:34 < Steffanx> *probably.
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2017-06-04T18:03:09 < dongs> lol @ actually using graph view mode in ida
2017-06-04T18:03:34 < Laurenceb_> got to show off and get views
2017-06-04T18:03:46 < Laurenceb_> to pay for the oestrogen
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2017-06-04T18:04:12 < Steffanx> Better horse telemetry Laurenceb_
2017-06-04T18:04:17 < zyp> what's wrong with graph mode in IDA?
2017-06-04T18:04:24 < dongs> everything, its fucking useless
2017-06-04T18:04:29 < zyp> graph mode in IDA is fucking awesome
2017-06-04T18:04:40 < dongs> its been garbage since the day they added it
2017-06-04T18:04:45 < dongs> i wish tehre was a global way to disable that shit
2017-06-04T18:05:13 < dongs> ah there is
2017-06-04T18:05:13 < zyp> I mean, why even use IDA if you don't want the graph mode?
2017-06-04T18:05:20 < dongs> fucking click that shit OFF
2017-06-04T18:05:28 < dongs> zyp, i like to see code
2017-06-04T18:05:34 < dongs> not some cuckified version of code in shitty slow graphs
2017-06-04T18:06:42 < zyp> idk, when I've dicked around with reverse engineering shit, looking at the program flow and branching and shit is more interesting than each single instruction
2017-06-04T18:07:10 < Laurenceb_> zyp is scanlime confirmed?
2017-06-04T18:07:21 < zyp> what's a scanlime?
2017-06-04T18:07:23 < dongs> confirmed hwat
2017-06-04T18:07:46 < Laurenceb_> scanlime.org
2017-06-04T18:07:48 < dongs> confirmed dude? yes, definitely
2017-06-04T18:08:13 < Laurenceb_> lul dongs clearly knows from experience
2017-06-04T18:08:21 < Laurenceb_> but this is the internet, so...
2017-06-04T18:08:43 < dongs> 5 seconds into that video confirmed it was a dude, then i googled name + transsexual and 1st or 2nd link confirmed it
2017-06-04T18:08:44 < Steffanx> Do you have issues with everything outside your comfort zone dongs & blaxter?
2017-06-04T18:08:47 < Steffanx> Aka autisn
2017-06-04T18:08:48 < Steffanx> M
2017-06-04T18:08:59 < dongs> i just don't like "girls" in tech
2017-06-04T18:09:03 < dongs> girls with dicks that is
2017-06-04T18:09:09 < Laurenceb_> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/025/077/ZRCXALTIBPEVZ2JT3YAPWESM3O7XVVJP.jpeg
2017-06-04T18:09:25 < dongs> i have no problem with girls with dicks if they stick to like kitchens or something
2017-06-04T18:09:29 < dongs> doing girly things
2017-06-04T18:09:36 < dongs> and stay off irc
2017-06-04T18:09:40 < zyp> haha
2017-06-04T18:09:56 < Laurenceb_> I have no issues with girls with dicks if they at least make an effort
2017-06-04T18:10:13 < Laurenceb_> a weird crossdressing guy is just weird
2017-06-04T18:10:32 < dongs> but shit like hackkitten, leloo, brianna wu, etc all those "people" need to die in a fire
2017-06-04T18:10:49 < zyp> I still don't see how the fuck it matters what anybody got in their pants if you're not gonna be fucking them
2017-06-04T18:11:04 < dongs> and that chinese one wiht fake tits
2017-06-04T18:11:12 < dongs> sexycybor or whatever
2017-06-04T18:11:26 < dongs> zyp, the problem is they are usually trying too hard
2017-06-04T18:11:31 < zyp> esp. online, when it's people you'll never meet either
2017-06-04T18:11:32 < dongs> like "INTERNET, LOOK AT ME"
2017-06-04T18:11:50 < zyp> sure
2017-06-04T18:11:52 < Laurenceb_> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/26/10/369979F900000578-3708290-image-a-1_1469525228090.jpg
2017-06-04T18:11:59 < zyp> but that's called being obnoxious, not being a girl
2017-06-04T18:12:56 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-04T18:13:01 < dongs> my comparator interrupt is NOT HAPPENING
2017-06-04T18:13:16 < zyp> compare better
2017-06-04T18:13:50 < dongs> yes
2017-06-04T18:18:29 < Steffanx> Tay Lang
2017-06-04T18:18:31 < dongs> COMP1_INP on PA1
2017-06-04T18:18:35 < Steffanx> Ask crt
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2017-06-04T18:20:17 < zyp> englishman, how do you like the tesla?
2017-06-04T18:20:33 < dongs> he should probasbly be driving it
2017-06-04T18:20:35 < dongs> instead of ircing
2017-06-04T18:20:38 < zyp> true
2017-06-04T18:20:49 < zyp> I've still yet to drive one
2017-06-04T18:21:02 < zyp> I've tried most of the other EVs on the norwegian market, but still not a tesla
2017-06-04T18:21:11 < dongs> youre not mising much
2017-06-04T18:23:50 < zyp> idk, they seem nice
2017-06-04T18:24:03 < dongs> hmm wtf
2017-06-04T18:24:49 < zyp> if I won the lottery or something, I'd be tempted to look at buying a TMX
2017-06-04T18:26:35 < dongs> is it normal for RM registers to be named completlety y fucking different from wahts in system header file
2017-06-04T18:26:49 < dongs> COMP1SW1 in RM0091 is called COMP1_INP_DAC in header
2017-06-04T18:26:50 < zyp> sounds like shitty headers
2017-06-04T18:27:13 < dongs> hmm or not
2017-06-04T18:27:13 < sync> zyp: get a sherp
2017-06-04T18:27:15 < dongs> maybe shitty KEIL
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2017-06-04T18:27:24 < dongs> its called that in the keil system viewr :p
2017-06-04T18:27:32 < dongs> which comes from ARM-generated SVDs
2017-06-04T18:27:32 < zyp> sync, a what?
2017-06-04T18:27:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4j---SbU3M i guess this
2017-06-04T18:28:07 < dongs> website is sherp.pro, must be pro
2017-06-04T18:28:53 < zyp> haha
2017-06-04T18:30:24 < aandrew> I should learn ida
2017-06-04T18:31:15 < dongs> i dont think theres much to learn about ida
2017-06-04T18:31:24 < dongs> learning the target asm would probably make more sense
2017-06-04T18:31:37 < aandrew> I never understood your issues with leeloo
2017-06-04T18:31:53 < aandrew> she's not a dude, never was, and knows shit
2017-06-04T18:31:59 < aandrew> a place like irc should not have any issues with that
2017-06-04T18:32:03 < dongs> why you gotta bring this up
2017-06-04T18:34:51 < aandrew> what's a TMX
2017-06-04T18:34:58 < zyp> tesla model x
2017-06-04T18:35:01 < aandrew> dongs: I didn't bring it up, you guys did
2017-06-04T18:35:04 < aandrew> I'm just catching up
2017-06-04T18:35:06 < aandrew> oh
2017-06-04T18:35:08 < aandrew> story time
2017-06-04T18:35:24 < aandrew> so I'm on contract at this medical devices company, have been here for the past year or so
2017-06-04T18:35:44 < aandrew> about 6 months ago got shifted to an electromag tracking project for VR applications
2017-06-04T18:35:47 < aandrew> actually pretty cool shit
2017-06-04T18:36:07 < aandrew> two weeks ago we got three new contractors, and I'm somehow the guy managing them
2017-06-04T18:36:14 < aandrew> remember I'm not an employee but another contractor
2017-06-04T18:36:23 < aandrew> anyway
2017-06-04T18:36:39 < aandrew> dude 1 is like 80 years old, lives in the middle of nowhere in wyoming
2017-06-04T18:36:46 < aandrew> I mean middle of nowhere even by wyoming standards
2017-06-04T18:37:00 < aandrew> but he's oldschool and is kind of cool, albeit a bit goofy
2017-06-04T18:37:24 < aandrew> dude 2 is from texas, probably late 50s. slow and methodical and knows his shit, I like working with him
2017-06-04T18:37:36 < aandrew> dude 3 looks a lot like my brother. probably mid 40s like me
2017-06-04T18:37:40 < aandrew> but this dude
2017-06-04T18:37:49 < aandrew> I think this is the second contractor they've hired that I will have fired
2017-06-04T18:38:12 < aandrew> these three are hired for a very specific purpose with a very tight (2 weeks from now) deadline
2017-06-04T18:38:24 < aandrew> very straightorward task. Get A talking to B
2017-06-04T18:38:42 < aandrew> I assigned dude 2 to B and dude 3 working with me on A
2017-06-04T18:38:53 < aandrew> (dude 1 got commandeered for another project)
2017-06-04T18:39:24 < aandrew> anyway dude 2 is like Ima design an entire new wireless protocol, it's gonna use direct register access and be hella fast and SUPER AWESOEM
2017-06-04T18:39:33 < aandrew> er sorry that's dude 3 not 2
2017-06-04T18:39:52 < aandrew> I'm like no man we got two weeks to deliver, that means we gotta be done in a week so we have a week to test/fix
2017-06-04T18:40:20 < aandrew> I want you to get the link to the host MCU written and all the simple stuff (buttons, vibe motor, leds, etc.)
2017-06-04T18:40:30 < aandrew> he's not listening
2017-06-04T18:40:45 < aandrew> he's off on his wireless wet dream, I've tried reigning him in a few times in increasing bluntness
2017-06-04T18:41:13 < aandrew> tonight I have to write an email putting my request in very clear writing because he will be terminated on Monday or Tuesday if he doesn't smarten up
2017-06-04T18:41:32 < aandrew> this dude is also one of those guys who's all about DIRECT ACCESS ALL THE THINGS
2017-06-04T18:41:42 < aandrew> won't use the SDK, won't use the APIs, gotta do it all by hand
2017-06-04T18:41:59 < aandrew> why he's not just writing it in ARM assembly because the compiler's not efficient enough is unknown to me
2017-06-04T18:42:08 < zyp> haha
2017-06-04T18:42:14 < aandrew> anyway... he's smart. he knows shit, but does not listen
2017-06-04T18:42:26 < aandrew> the last contractor I got fired refused to listen to me too
2017-06-04T18:42:44 < aandrew> he actually went toe-to-toe with our software architect and said "I don't think you understand how Visual Studio works"
2017-06-04T18:42:52 < aandrew> I damn near choked, it was so insane
2017-06-04T18:42:59 < aandrew> choked on my coffee dammit
2017-06-04T18:43:18 < aandrew> our architect was super chill about it and asked him to explain what the architeect "didn't understand" :-)
2017-06-04T18:43:49 < aandrew> that was also the same contractor who, when i asked him what format he wanted the data (bunch of floats for matrix math) he replied "numeric"
2017-06-04T18:43:52 < aandrew> fucking idiot
2017-06-04T18:44:35 < sync> Lul
2017-06-04T18:44:51 < aandrew> I kind of like dude 3, I wish he'd smarten up
2017-06-04T18:45:12 < aandrew> and I fully expect we'll go on to develop a wireless link very much like what he's doing, although using the correct Nordic APIs instead of directly writing to registers
2017-06-04T18:45:17 < aandrew> but now is not the time
2017-06-04T18:45:17 < branjb> do these people belong to a contracting company or are they all rando freelancers that got hired on?
2017-06-04T18:45:22 < aandrew> he could have got himself a nice contract extension
2017-06-04T18:45:32 < zyp> tell him that he's not working on a hobby project and to do what he's actually getting paid to
2017-06-04T18:45:43 < aandrew> branjb: they all got hired on through Oxford International, the same agency I first got hired on through
2017-06-04T18:45:57 < aandrew> that agency is #1 in my book, the only agency I've worked through that I've been truly truly happy with
2017-06-04T18:46:33 < branjb> i've never really understood how/why contracting works, is it cheaper for them to hire contracts than to just directly make you employees?  no use for you after the project is complete?
2017-06-04T18:47:29 < invzim> how is the nordic stuff?
2017-06-04T18:47:50 < invzim> I kind of know the CEO
2017-06-04T18:48:04 < aandrew> I have had a dozen placements iwth Oxford over the years. I use them to extend my reach, as I generally work locally and word of mouth but they put me all over north america
2017-06-04T18:48:21 < aandrew> I don't know how it works either
2017-06-04T18:48:28 < aandrew> I don't questino it, I am paid like a king
2017-06-04T18:49:00 < aandrew> when my contract here ended they "bought out" the contract and hired me as a direct contractor so I'm paid directly by this company now instead of through oxford
2017-06-04T18:49:11 < aandrew> cheaper for them but it easily cost them $40k to buy out the contract
2017-06-04T18:49:23 < invzim> it's hard to find and hire good people, hire the wrong guy and it's super expensive both directly and indirectly
2017-06-04T18:49:49 < aandrew> we are at the point in the cycle where everyone is hiring contractors. the cycle will swing the other way again and nobody will want contractors, I've been through this a few times
2017-06-04T18:50:19 < branjb> ahh
2017-06-04T18:50:24 < branjb> easier to fire contractor than employee?
2017-06-04T18:51:03 < aandrew> funnily enough, I have a concurrent contract with a medical device company that uses the precision optical tracking system this first medical devices company makes
2017-06-04T18:51:06 < aandrew> branjb: hell yeah
2017-06-04T18:51:43 < aandrew> your contract term is all they care about. no overtime, no remittances/withholdings and if I fuck up I'm able to be dismissed on the spot
2017-06-04T18:51:57 < aandrew> for me it's easy: don't fuck up
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2017-06-04T19:12:32 < Streaker> If I enable RTC in StmCube, PC13 goes low and stays low even if I set it high in code. I only have control of PC13 if I select "no RTC output" in cube.
2017-06-04T19:13:29 < Streaker> Does enabling RTC also enable a 32kHz signal on PC13?
2017-06-04T19:15:03 < jpa-> doesn't "RTC output" mean exactly the 32kHz signal?
2017-06-04T19:16:13 < branjb> do you have much experience with recruiters?  I keep getting tons of cold emails from recruiters, but then when I follow up with them they never reply/call back
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2017-06-04T19:16:59 < branjb> am I just getting hit by bots that scrub profiles and email 1000+ people?
2017-06-04T19:17:01 < jpa-> are you on linkedin or some other crap sites?
2017-06-04T19:17:04 < branjb> yeah
2017-06-04T19:17:20 < Streaker> I wasn't too sure what that meant. Can't think of any use for a 32kHz out.
2017-06-04T19:17:24 < jpa-> yeah, put a different email there and on your homepage / online cv / whatever; that way you'll know who atleast spent a moment
2017-06-04T19:18:23 < branjb> some of them are pretty detailed, ie, "I see you've been at company XXX for # years, and your located in XXX, I'd like to talk to you about possibly locating to YYY" but it could just be a good bot finding and filling out that info
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2017-06-04T19:19:15 < jpa-> yeah, sounds pretty automatic
2017-06-04T19:21:19 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-04T19:22:04 < branjb> is it better to say white or decline to response on applications?  or should i just say i am black?
2017-06-04T19:22:35 < Rob235> awesome, my prof said I could do a creative project with my drone for my capstone. that means its 15 pages instead of 25 and I can do it on the whole drone which will be simple to make that long.
2017-06-04T19:22:41 < aandrew> branjb: 99.999% of recruiters are total assholes
2017-06-04T19:22:56 < dongs> is TIMx->EGR readonly at some point in time?
2017-06-04T19:23:04 < jpa-> branjb: if you need a crappy job, then hiding / lying can help; but if you want a good one, telling the truth can only help
2017-06-04T19:23:07 < aandrew> they're all super breathless and "ZOMG I HAVE TEH PERFECT PLACEMENT. CAN U PLS TO SEND RESUME RIGHT AWAI?!"
2017-06-04T19:23:14 < aandrew> nevermind the fact that you *just* sent them a resume the week before
2017-06-04T19:23:30 < branjb> lol
2017-06-04T19:23:42 < aandrew> they don't listen, they don't have ANY ability to understand technical terms or the difference between a web dev and an embedded dev, and they just don't care
2017-06-04T19:24:00 < aandrew> Oxford is not like that. I will happily hook anyone I know up with them if they're interested
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2017-06-04T19:27:19 < aandrew> ROAN is another very good one but they're much more local to my area
2017-06-04T19:28:30 < Streaker> Where is it legal for them to ask if you're white?
2017-06-04T19:28:43 < aandrew> branjb: I'm a white guy, I don't know that technical fields have much racism associated with them. Certainly everywhere I've gone there's been all kinds of people (white, black, indian, chinese, etc)
2017-06-04T19:28:57 < aandrew> different areas will have leanings toward race naturally
2017-06-04T19:29:14 < branjb> i don't know why they ask it but every US employers site says "We are equal opportunity employers, what is your race:"
2017-06-04T19:29:15 < aandrew> branjb: who the fuck asks you your race on an application?!
2017-06-04T19:29:43 < aandrew> ah, I haven't been looking at employment in over a decade
2017-06-04T19:29:53 < aandrew> I'd just say noneyo
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2017-06-04T19:30:02 < aandrew> and if they say wut I'd say noneyo damn bidniss
2017-06-04T19:30:11 < Streaker> Say yes.
2017-06-04T19:30:32 < Streaker> They have some affirmative action stuff going on in the US.
2017-06-04T19:30:38 < aandrew> dongs: never had to worry about that, what're you seeing
2017-06-04T19:30:56 < Streaker> Saying youre a minority gets you hired.
2017-06-04T19:31:02 < dongs> donno, writing shit to egr and its not changing
2017-06-04T19:31:14 < dongs> its 1am , gonna give up tho
2017-06-04T19:32:29 < Streaker> STM32 is flaky. Selecting "disable" doesn't disable the 32kHz out. I can't figure out what it does.
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2017-06-04T19:32:47 < aandrew> Streaker: paste your code
2017-06-04T19:32:54 < aandrew> I use RTC and don't recall having to give up a pin
2017-06-04T19:33:49 < Streaker> PC13 on the STM32F103 seems to be tied in to the RTC in some odd way.
2017-06-04T19:33:52 < aandrew> lol PC13 is like the *only* pin I didn't use on this design, I can't even verify it for you, sorry
2017-06-04T19:34:07 < Streaker> :)
2017-06-04T19:34:08 < aandrew> I'm on STM32F207 though
2017-06-04T19:34:20 < aandrew> what's the datasheet say
2017-06-04T19:34:24 < dongs> Streaker: what
2017-06-04T19:34:30 < dongs> what re you using PC13 for btw?
2017-06-04T19:34:36 < dongs> (that isnt rtc)
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2017-06-04T19:35:07 < Streaker> This board I'm using has an LED on PC13.
2017-06-04T19:35:27 < dongs> a led
2017-06-04T19:35:32 < dongs> did you read reference manual/datasheet
2017-06-04T19:35:46 < dongs> where it says PC13..15 are 2mA current sink/source max, and are limited to 2mhz toggle speed?
2017-06-04T19:35:54 < dongs> i.e. you should never put leds on it
2017-06-04T19:36:00 < Streaker> Skimmed it. Today is my first day with this board.
2017-06-04T19:36:07 < dongs> or anything other than low-speed on/off signals or inputs
2017-06-04T19:36:53 < Streaker> It's an SMD LED. Can't be more than a mA.
2017-06-04T19:37:07 < invzim> my google-fu is getting weak, do I have to make my own plain 1-1 2x5 1.27->2.54 thingie..?
2017-06-04T19:37:50 < dongs> invzim: no. https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2017-06-04T19:37:54 < invzim> all I find is for some retarded 20pin to 2x5
2017-06-04T19:38:27 < invzim> won't do much good for altera jtag + my stlink is already 2x5pin
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2017-06-04T19:41:13 < dongs> maybe youll use proper standard connectors on next board.
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2017-06-04T19:52:01 < invzim> I am, just different pitch
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2017-06-04T19:56:32 < crt> Ask steffn
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2017-06-04T19:57:10 < aandrew> anyone here interested in reviewing/critiquing a managerial email I'm about ot send to Dude 3?
2017-06-04T19:57:41 < crt> I've had a few dogs mate
2017-06-04T19:58:00 < crt> I'm trying to drink into passing out
2017-06-04T19:58:27 < dongs> i thought you went to uk not korea
2017-06-04T19:58:55 < crt> Lol
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2017-06-04T20:00:12 < crt> What a fagot
2017-06-04T20:02:10 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/GMDf3Tp0
2017-06-04T20:04:20 < crt> Every Steve is a cunt
2017-06-04T20:04:28 < aandrew> lol
2017-06-04T20:04:33 < aandrew> "you're a real cunt, ya know that?!"
2017-06-04T20:04:36 < crt> Steffan will back me up on this
2017-06-04T20:04:39 < crt> Lol
2017-06-04T20:06:34 < Tectu> > Every Steve is a cunt
2017-06-04T20:06:36 < Tectu> I disagree
2017-06-04T20:07:20  * aandrew bets that tectu's a cunt named steve 
2017-06-04T20:08:18 < Tectu> I am not. My real name is mostly known here. Feel free to verify
2017-06-04T20:08:35 < Tectu> the ´I am not´ is for the steve part. Not sure about the cunt part.
2017-06-04T20:08:41 < Tectu> experiences may vary.
2017-06-04T20:09:59 < aandrew> heh
2017-06-04T20:10:02 < Laurenceb_> crt is in londonistan right?
2017-06-04T20:10:23 < crt> Yuh
2017-06-04T20:10:48 < Tectu> crt, how does it feel to be in a sane time zone?
2017-06-04T20:11:03 < crt> Good
2017-06-04T20:11:21 < Tectu> how long do you stay? swissland is not that far
2017-06-04T20:11:44 < invzim> aandrew: do you have any formal authority over this guy?
2017-06-04T20:12:17 < aandrew> invzim: I am not sure. I am a contractor myself, I have no idea why I specifically was told to manage two contractors
2017-06-04T20:12:26 < aandrew> I do know that this email is the first step in dropping this guy
2017-06-04T20:12:44 < aandrew> my manager (director of engineering) told me to write an email for documentation, then escalate
2017-06-04T20:13:42 < crt> I would like to open stroopwafel company
2017-06-04T20:13:51 < Tectu> crt, see question from the tectu above
2017-06-04T20:14:08 < crt> Feels good man
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2017-06-04T20:15:55 < invzim> aandrew: responsibility without authority, while not uncommon, is tricky
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2017-06-04T20:16:24 < crt> I miss tectu
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2017-06-04T20:17:01 < aandrew> invzim: well like I said, my manager and the other managers in the engineering side all seem to agree
2017-06-04T20:17:15 < invzim> I'm nordic so I would be more direct, but that's a culture thing
2017-06-04T20:17:30 < aandrew> I'm just writing the email as instructed. I was careful not to make any kind of veiled threat about getting canned, just a "get the fuck back on task"
2017-06-04T20:17:43 < invzim> onlt thing I would change is to make it really clear what HIS deliverables are
2017-06-04T20:17:55 < aandrew> invzim: ok
2017-06-04T20:20:42 < Steffanx> crt: is a facken teapot. Not cunt.
2017-06-04T20:20:42 < Steffanx> Not a*
2017-06-04T20:21:38 < crt> Lol
2017-06-04T20:24:20 < Streaker> If this email is the first step in him getting canned, then you should probably have a greater tone of urgency in your words
2017-06-04T20:24:40 < Steffanx> Hows London mr crt?
2017-06-04T20:26:40 < Streaker> because he might just ignore this mail given how mild the wording is
2017-06-04T20:29:29 < Steffanx> I thought you were self employed mr aandrew
2017-06-04T20:34:15 < Thorn> can you program the radio directly at all on nrf51/52 rather than use the sdk / softdevices? I don't think the hardware interface is even documented
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2017-06-04T20:35:17 < aandrew> Streaker: no, I've been trying isnce Wednesday to get him on task
2017-06-04T20:35:30 < aandrew> on Friday he basically said "I hear you, but I'mma do it my way"
2017-06-04T20:35:54 < aandrew> so I asked my manager (an employee and the 2nd in command in engineering) for help
2017-06-04T20:36:02 < aandrew> he said to document the request in email and escalate
2017-06-04T20:36:23 < aandrew> Streaker: I am. I'm a contractor who has somehow got two contractors under him
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2017-06-04T20:36:53 < aandrew> Thorn: I don't much care, we use the API. He wants to optimize the shit out of it righ tnow and that's a no-no
2017-06-04T20:37:46 < Streaker> When he gets fired he will say "if it was mandatory for me to do things your way, why didn't you say so"
2017-06-04T20:38:04 < aandrew> hm
2017-06-04T20:38:05 < aandrew> ok
2017-06-04T20:38:41 < Streaker> He probably sees you as an equal. Not as a boss.
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2017-06-04T20:44:15 < aandrew> which, from my perspective, I agree with
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2017-06-04T20:44:28 < aandrew> but I've clearly been told to manage these guys and am in charge of this plan b project
2017-06-04T20:47:08 < zyp> Thorn, IIRC it is
2017-06-04T20:51:29 < Streaker> Its shitty when they make you the boss but don't tell your team that you're the boss.
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2017-06-04T21:21:50 < invzim> find parts on ali/ebay, find 3 models, make library parts, make pcb, done :)
2017-06-04T21:21:53 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3MmRseXB5SXMxUUU/view
2017-06-04T21:22:52 < invzim> should cover me for both altera jtag and the stlink clone thingie I have
2017-06-04T21:24:32 < invzim> does the 'tooling-up' ever end?
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2017-06-04T21:35:30  * invzim palms - the stlink clone has it's very own pinout not compatible with anything, time for a break
2017-06-04T21:36:43 < Laurenceb_> uk election soon
2017-06-04T21:36:54 < Laurenceb_> give up your freedoms to a tyrannical barren whore tiem
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2017-06-04T22:01:36 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTo1_F07f48
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2017-06-04T22:28:02 < zyp> I'm using win-r -> taskmgr
2017-06-04T22:41:35 < rajkosto> ctrl shift escape is the way to go
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2017-06-04T22:57:55 < Prutheus> Hey. Wanna use ADC with 2 channels, tryed to use DMA, but my output via USB only shows me the same value for both integers when i connect one of ther channels to GND or +3V, when in open cable, they vary https://bpaste.net/show/85fb5d791328
2017-06-04T22:58:02 < Prutheus> what have i done wrong?
2017-06-04T23:01:55 < Rob235> so I have 3 different versions of this pdf ebook.  the smallest file size is the best quality, why? in the other two which are around 50mb the text is all weird like it was saved as a low quality image (although I can still select text like usual) and the 18mb file shows text perfectly clear
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2017-06-04T23:07:40 < Prutheus> someone an idea what i am doing wrong?
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2017-06-04T23:29:22 < Thorn> Rob235: actual ebook released by the publisher (possibly with DRM removed) vs. scanned/OCRd paper book
2017-06-04T23:30:03 < Rob235> ok
2017-06-04T23:34:15 < rajkosto> yep scans will have every page as an image so thats why its so huge
2017-06-04T23:34:32 < rajkosto> the one with just text on the pages will be smallest and look the best
2017-06-04T23:38:15 < Steffanx> fucking hell Prutheus, dont leave so fast.
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2017-06-04T23:53:09 < rajkosto> what best pin to use for interrupts
2017-06-04T23:55:43 < upgrdman> i, uh, dont want to know why  https://i.imgur.com/lrBQfmm.jpg
2017-06-04T23:57:45 < Steffanx> upgrdman: and his hobbies
2017-06-04T23:57:56 < invzim> can I ignore what gnddetect on the 2x5pin is and just route it to gnd?
2017-06-04T23:58:36 < Steffanx> rajkosto does it matter? Maybe pick one that has its own exti interrupt and is not grouped?
2017-06-04T23:59:03 < Steffanx> Not group with multiple pins that is
2017-06-04T23:59:16 < Steffanx> Grouped*
2017-06-04T23:59:28 < rajkosto> how do i find that out
2017-06-04T23:59:53 < Steffanx> Look at the vector table and the exti interrupts
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2017-06-05T00:00:43 < Steffanx> But when you only need/use one it still doesnt matter
2017-06-05T00:02:08 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwZzuOXYPU
2017-06-05T00:04:43 < Steffanx> Meh. Thorn
2017-06-05T00:04:59 < upgrdman> ideal volume control widget  https://gfycat.com/PassionateOddballBlueandgoldmackaw
2017-06-05T00:05:47 < englishman> zyp: mixed
2017-06-05T00:06:02 < englishman> tho its my first bev
2017-06-05T00:07:57 < rajkosto> how do you do the capsense ?
2017-06-05T00:11:15 < zyp> englishman, S or X?
2017-06-05T00:11:21 < zyp> didn't look too closely at the pic
2017-06-05T00:11:26 < Steffanx> an4312 rajkosto ?
2017-06-05T00:11:42 < englishman> S
2017-06-05T00:11:45 < zyp> englishman, also, what's the backstory? just test driving?
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2017-06-05T00:18:41 < rajkosto> is it possible to get rough x/y with capsense ? or is it just pressure
2017-06-05T00:25:09 < zyp> wat?
2017-06-05T00:41:40 < englishman> zyp: no story, needed a car for 24h
2017-06-05T00:41:55 < englishman> autosteer does not work for shit
2017-06-05T00:42:39 < zyp> ah, just a rental?
2017-06-05T00:43:18 < englishman> hmm have to rtfm
2017-06-05T00:43:21 < englishman> yes
2017-06-05T00:43:44 < englishman> beep aandrew
2017-06-05T00:43:49 < englishman> I'm in north york
2017-06-05T00:43:54 < englishman> and done for the day
2017-06-05T00:44:11 < englishman> so lonely
2017-06-05T00:49:07 < Steffanx>  Poor englishman
2017-06-05T00:49:15 < Steffanx> Find yourself a mcdonalfs
2017-06-05T00:49:18 < Steffanx> Ds
2017-06-05T00:50:43 < Steffanx> Thats what yankees do right?
2017-06-05T00:56:50 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/tqf30
2017-06-05T00:57:47 < englishman> oh WOW
2017-06-05T00:57:52 < englishman> autopilot is nuts
2017-06-05T00:59:02 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/YCVZd5H
2017-06-05T01:01:09 < Steffanx> Uhm, what englishman ?
2017-06-05T01:01:55 < aandrew> englishman: beep
2017-06-05T01:01:56 < aandrew> sorry about your loneliness, I don't have any escort contacts or I'd share
2017-06-05T01:01:58 < Steffanx> You asked for a mcdonalds and it drove you to a burgerking instead?
2017-06-05T01:02:51 < kakimir> hmm
2017-06-05T01:03:06 < kakimir> I wonder if wiring of chinese usb lead is wrong
2017-06-05T01:03:32 < kakimir> I connect it to phone and current meter ramps up and then falls to 0
2017-06-05T01:03:38 < kakimir> and repeats
2017-06-05T01:04:01 < kakimir> or if the phone is doing something
2017-06-05T01:04:12 < englishman> ok aandrew enjoy your weekend
2017-06-05T01:04:20 < englishman> this other guy i know is in town, but he owes me money
2017-06-05T01:04:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSHBxYlhTSGNISmc?usp=sharing are you jelly of my workshop gear?
2017-06-05T01:04:31 < englishman> dont think he'll be wanting to see me either
2017-06-05T01:04:55 < aandrew> heh that's a better plan
2017-06-05T01:05:40 < Steffanx> See, my plans for you werent so bax
2017-06-05T01:05:47 < aandrew> kakimir: nice
2017-06-05T01:05:47 < Steffanx> Bad
2017-06-05T01:05:54 < englishman> i think il try to find falafel
2017-06-05T01:06:08 < aandrew> going to kid's recital
2017-06-05T01:06:12 < branjb> my sister lives in new york
2017-06-05T01:06:15 < branjb> real shithole of a state
2017-06-05T01:06:26 < branjb> oh north york
2017-06-05T01:06:36 < branjb> prob still a shithole
2017-06-05T01:07:26 < Steffanx> Sounds like the us of a :P
2017-06-05T01:07:58 < Laurenceb_> I think I solved the terror problem
2017-06-05T01:08:12 < Laurenceb_> canisters with machine guns inside
2017-06-05T01:08:22 < Laurenceb_> smash glass in case of terrorists
2017-06-05T01:08:35 < Laurenceb_> like a midpoint between uk and usa solution
2017-06-05T01:09:02 < Steffanx> Uhm, terrorists can get those too mr Laurenceb
2017-06-05T01:09:17 < branjb> but then other people smash the other cannisters and shoot the terrorist
2017-06-05T01:09:34 < Steffanx> Just put it in pigs blood.
2017-06-05T01:09:40 < branjb> ^
2017-06-05T01:09:43 < branjb> smart thinking
2017-06-05T01:11:13 < Steffanx> And im sure 12 yo Laurenceb_ would get one for funz
2017-06-05T01:11:55 < branjb> do men wear capris outside of ausiland?
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2017-06-05T01:13:56 < Steffanx> I facken hate shorts branjb, so its a nice compromise
2017-06-05T01:14:11 < branjb> trying to find mens capris with american flag on them
2017-06-05T01:14:14 < branjb> not an easy task
2017-06-05T01:14:44 < Laurenceb_> * Received a CTCP ACTION from Steffanx (to ##stm32)
2017-06-05T01:14:49 < Laurenceb_> literally wut
2017-06-05T01:15:47 < Steffanx> Wut? When was that?
2017-06-05T01:16:45 < branjb> [Steffanx:##stm32 ACTION]
2017-06-05T01:17:15 < Steffanx> Lol not sure whats doing that
2017-06-05T01:18:04 < Thorn> same
2017-06-05T01:18:15 < Thorn> masterpiece http://imgur.com/1tgcEe9
2017-06-05T01:18:23 < Steffanx> Haha. Maybe i need a better client
2017-06-05T01:19:04 < Steffanx> As i have no clue what happened
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2017-06-05T01:21:15 < Steffanx> Oh i said /me.. something shitty happened there
2017-06-05T01:23:42 < Steffanx> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/irc-ctcp ..
2017-06-05T01:25:39 < jadew> Thorn, some of those guys are dead
2017-06-05T01:28:07 < jadew> how many attacks have there been in the UK lately? (I just opened up youtube)
2017-06-05T01:28:25 < Steffanx> 3
2017-06-05T01:28:33 < jadew> was there another one between the concert one and the one from yesterday?
2017-06-05T01:28:40 < branjb> it's the ramadan bombathon
2017-06-05T01:28:48 < jadew> thanks Steffanx
2017-06-05T01:28:51 < Steffanx> No before it
2017-06-05T01:28:56 < jadew> ah, I see
2017-06-05T01:29:09 < Steffanx> The london bridge attack
2017-06-05T01:29:25 < karlp> three?
2017-06-05T01:29:34 < Steffanx> 3.
2017-06-05T01:29:36 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4oI10Hj4AU gas attacks soon
2017-06-05T01:29:41 < englishman> don't forget the 2001 IRA bombing, totally relevant
2017-06-05T01:29:42 < karlp> in what timeframe are we counting now?
2017-06-05T01:29:50 < Steffanx> Few months?
2017-06-05T01:30:07 < branjb> englishman are you in the IRA?
2017-06-05T01:30:18 < Steffanx> Beaver IRA
2017-06-05T01:30:41 < englishman> Iranian restaurateur association
2017-06-05T01:30:45 < jadew> I don't understand who antifa is
2017-06-05T01:30:55 < branjb> (((antifa)))
2017-06-05T01:31:28 < englishman> branjb: how do I fast forward this video to the gassing
2017-06-05T01:31:46 < branjb> englishman: it's live and the police just said they are going to start gasing people
2017-06-05T01:31:58 < branjb> hard to beat live gasing
2017-06-05T01:32:00 < englishman> I can only play at 1x
2017-06-05T01:32:12 < jadew> lol
2017-06-05T01:32:24 < branjb> you can't 10x live feeds
2017-06-05T01:32:35 < branjb> boom
2017-06-05T01:32:44 < jadew> wtf, the video gets interrupted
2017-06-05T01:32:45 < branjb> flashbangs out
2017-06-05T01:32:51 < jadew> yeah
2017-06-05T01:32:51 < Steffanx> Flashbangs?
2017-06-05T01:32:53 < Steffanx> Lolz
2017-06-05T01:32:53 < jadew> this is exciting
2017-06-05T01:33:09 < branjb> this reminds me of all the great live feeds from last summer
2017-06-05T01:33:14 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ get some popcorn!!
2017-06-05T01:33:32 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-06-05T01:33:40  * Laurenceb_ reads scrollback
2017-06-05T01:34:12 < englishman> "Antifa vs free speech" lol
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2017-06-05T01:34:25 < Laurenceb_> oh nice
2017-06-05T01:34:30 < Laurenceb_> modern day gladiators
2017-06-05T01:34:35 < branjb> fire in the hole
2017-06-05T01:34:39 < Laurenceb_> I liek dis
2017-06-05T01:34:46 < Steffannn> Whats it about?
2017-06-05T01:34:50 < branjb> i love the random airhorn
2017-06-05T01:35:03 < Steffannn> Freedom of speech .. But why?
2017-06-05T01:35:05 < jadew> Steffannn, I'd like to know that too
2017-06-05T01:35:32 < branjb> do you know what antifa is?
2017-06-05T01:35:40 < Steffannn> No
2017-06-05T01:36:04 < branjb> it's a super leftwing group in the US that wears masks and uses violence at right wing events.. or something
2017-06-05T01:36:39 < Steffannn> Oh extreme left
2017-06-05T01:36:44 < Steffannn> Always nice
2017-06-05T01:36:45 < branjb> i think this portland thing was a trump rally or something and antifa showed up to stab people
2017-06-05T01:36:45 < jadew> surprise mother fucker :D
2017-06-05T01:37:24 < jadew> I don't get it tho, where is antifa?
2017-06-05T01:37:29 < branjb> i don't really know who/what is behind antifa except that they use violence at protests
2017-06-05T01:37:29 < jadew> which one is antifa?
2017-06-05T01:37:52 < branjb> you'll know when you see them; the guys yelling now are the free speech guys, antifa are the guys in all black with masks
2017-06-05T01:37:54 < Steffannn> Lol they look exactly like the people here in dutchland
2017-06-05T01:37:58 < jadew> is everyone there antifa?
2017-06-05T01:38:01 < branjb> npo
2017-06-05T01:38:03 < branjb> nope
2017-06-05T01:38:36 < branjb> most of these guys are probably just spectators
2017-06-05T01:38:37 < Steffannn> So many phones
2017-06-05T01:38:54 < branjb> those guys in black hoodies with masks are antifa
2017-06-05T01:39:17 < Steffannn> Even someone with a real flip phone. Yeah
2017-06-05T01:40:09 < branjb> >us constitution right to assembly
2017-06-05T01:40:15 < branjb> police: this is unlawful assembly
2017-06-05T01:40:48 < branjb> lmao
2017-06-05T01:40:57 < branjb> "officers are being assaulted by members of your group"
2017-06-05T01:42:51 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6ace977faeed8f438241eb324d10911a53d46bea8f7dcb0cf3e77b5a6e2357ea.jpg
2017-06-05T01:44:10 < branjb> how would this shirt go over in the uk? https://www.ninelineapparel.com/brothers-in-arms-dual-rifle-us-british-t-shirt/
2017-06-05T02:04:27 < kakimir> how is terrorism in uk today Laurenceb_ ?
2017-06-05T02:08:10 < Laurenceb_> lots of boom boom
2017-06-05T02:09:39 < kakimir> are you scareds?
2017-06-05T02:20:57 < Laurenceb_> unzip your pants
2017-06-05T02:21:05 < Laurenceb_> zip up our borders
2017-06-05T02:21:08 < Laurenceb_> cock out
2017-06-05T02:21:10 < Laurenceb_> ukip in
2017-06-05T02:21:26 < Laurenceb_> show your phimosis get nigel noticed
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2017-06-05T02:41:37 < Rob235> damn, I can't read
2017-06-05T02:41:45 < kakimir> you need my phimosis photos Laurenceb_ ?
2017-06-05T02:49:09 < Laurenceb_> no
2017-06-05T02:49:14 < Laurenceb_> just no
2017-06-05T03:06:11 < rajkosto> in altium how do you switch profiles (the stuff in appdata roaming)
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2017-06-05T03:19:05 < karlp> logout and login with a new account?
2017-06-05T03:19:20 < rajkosto> i dont use accounts
2017-06-05T03:20:36 < dongs> why would you want to?
2017-06-05T03:21:03 < rajkosto> because im on a new windows install, copied all the stuff from public, appdata local and roaming, and yet its using a new profile
2017-06-05T03:21:08 < dongs> ...
2017-06-05T03:21:16 < dongs> you know
2017-06-05T03:21:18 < dongs> altium has this thing
2017-06-05T03:21:21 < dongs> called 'EXPORT PREFERENCES'
2017-06-05T03:21:25 < dongs> it exists for a fucking reason
2017-06-05T03:21:30 < rajkosto> well too late for that
2017-06-05T03:21:31 < dongs> so people like you don't do dumb shit ilke that
2017-06-05T03:22:10 < dongs> why teh fuck would you aids up a new windows install by copying old appdata from ANY app
2017-06-05T03:22:14 < dongs> the mind fucking boggles
2017-06-05T03:22:23 < rajkosto> cuz thats how you preserve settings ?
2017-06-05T03:22:26 < dongs> ...
2017-06-05T03:22:26 < rajkosto> i do it for every app i reinstall
2017-06-05T03:22:35 < dongs> might as well not even reinstall windows
2017-06-05T03:22:38 < rajkosto> most importantly for firefox and chrome and such
2017-06-05T03:22:41 < rajkosto> nah all the junk is in other places
2017-06-05T03:22:56 < rajkosto> not in roaming appdata (if theres any junk there program was made poorly)
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2017-06-05T04:10:31 < upgrdman> are there any tools for windwos that will let you track changes to the filesystem in real time? e.g. to see where an installer litters shit all over C:\
2017-06-05T04:11:08 < upgrdman> e.g. "start logging" ... "stop logging" then see a diff of the filesystem
2017-06-05T04:20:16 < jadew> ffs... I'm trying to draw some shapes in Inkscape (I just installed it)
2017-06-05T04:20:25 < jadew> and I've been trying to figure out why it's not working
2017-06-05T04:20:38 < jadew> turns out that by default, the shapes have no stroke and no background
2017-06-05T04:20:43 < jadew> so you can't fucking see them
2017-06-05T04:21:46 < jadew> must be the work of the same people that made gimp
2017-06-05T04:24:32 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-05T04:24:45 < dongs> why would you waste time wiht dickscape
2017-06-05T04:24:50 < dongs> its typical opensores faggotry
2017-06-05T04:24:54 < jadew> I'm trying to design a logo
2017-06-05T04:25:00 < dongs> fiverr.com
2017-06-05T04:26:16 < jadew> bookmarked, but I don't want someone to come up with some random crap
2017-06-05T04:26:35 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/dyX4HZn.jpg
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2017-06-05T04:37:04 < dongs> judew, that "random crap" will be better than anything you could shit out from dickscape
2017-06-05T04:37:09 < dongs> simply beacuse they will use pro tools
2017-06-05T04:37:19 < jadew> dongs, I agree, I already failed
2017-06-05T04:39:03 < dongs> you failed by installing LUNIX
2017-06-05T04:39:13 < jadew> I'm back on windows
2017-06-05T04:41:08 < dongs> ya but youre still running vs.code
2017-06-05T04:41:12 < rajkosto> upgrdman, sandboxie is great for that bullshit
2017-06-05T04:41:25 < dongs> what bullshit
2017-06-05T04:41:38 < rajkosto> running unknown installers to see what they do to your FS
2017-06-05T04:41:39 < dongs> oh
2017-06-05T04:41:45 < dongs> useles
2017-06-05T04:41:56 < dongs> 99% of the apps I would even "install" dont even require installers
2017-06-05T04:41:57 < rajkosto> and afterwards lets you commit or keep them in the junk
2017-06-05T04:42:10 < dongs> so tehy just go into a vm, install in random place, then I copy out the main exe into my read-only-portable-apps-bin-folder.
2017-06-05T04:42:26 < rajkosto> sandboxie way lighter than a vm
2017-06-05T04:42:39 < dongs> i already have several VMs running, this it not an issue
2017-06-05T04:42:44 < dongs> at any given time
2017-06-05T04:44:17 < rajkosto> systinternals filemon and such will just track the writes if thats all he wants tho
2017-06-05T04:44:24 < dongs> boring'
2017-06-05T04:56:32 < rajkosto> anyone ever interface with a joystick potentiometer
2017-06-05T04:56:38 < rajkosto> whats the difference between 3 and 4 pin
2017-06-05T04:59:21 < dongs> one has an extra pin
2017-06-05T04:59:29 < rajkosto> thx, what is it for
2017-06-05T05:14:07 < rajkosto> found a bunch of bt modules with CSR BC4RD A13U
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2017-06-05T05:47:08 < dongs> fuck
2017-06-05T05:47:12 < dongs> F0 without SWO is fucking uselesssssssssssssssssss
2017-06-05T05:47:27 < rajkosto> y tho
2017-06-05T05:47:29 < dongs> how the fuck am i gonna see shit in realtiem
2017-06-05T05:47:32 < rajkosto> i cant
2017-06-05T05:47:38 < rajkosto> printf over COM port
2017-06-05T05:47:40 < dongs> but youre an opsnreos fgt
2017-06-05T05:47:41 < dongs> uhhh
2017-06-05T05:47:53 < rajkosto> no im using stmcubemx project for the USB support
2017-06-05T05:47:58 < dongs> i could jsut drop TIMx->CCR into logic analyzer in keil and if i had SWO it would magically update
2017-06-05T05:48:08 < dongs> no ened to printf anything
2017-06-05T05:48:21 < rajkosto> i could do that too if openocd worked
2017-06-05T05:51:02 < dongs> thatsa  big if
2017-06-05T05:51:11 < dongs> anyway, swo trace is different from same shit over swd
2017-06-05T06:09:53 < englishman> dongs, tesla really does have 50k interior yeah
2017-06-05T06:09:57 < englishman> it feels like high end mazda
2017-06-05T06:10:07 < englishman> its overall an ok car tho
2017-06-05T06:10:10 < englishman> a good prototype
2017-06-05T06:10:15 < englishman> highly autistic UI however
2017-06-05T06:10:24 < englishman> and autopilot is amaze
2017-06-05T06:10:27 < dongs> i'll care about it when they remove LUNIX and PIC16F from it
2017-06-05T06:10:39 < dongs> and that GIANT FUCKIGN 23" LCD IN TEH MIDDLE OF THE DASH
2017-06-05T06:10:48 < englishman> tbh the car was a total thumbs down until i tried autopilot
2017-06-05T06:10:53 < dongs> that looks literally like some autist bolted a cheap acer monitor in the middle
2017-06-05T06:10:54 < englishman> yeah its bad
2017-06-05T06:11:00 < englishman> and EVERYTHING is through it
2017-06-05T06:11:07 < englishman> even the sunroof and dome lights
2017-06-05T06:11:16 < englishman> oh and the nav is fucking terrible
2017-06-05T06:11:28 < dongs> is it some homebrew shit? or did they license proper stuff
2017-06-05T06:11:34 < englishman> i dono
2017-06-05T06:11:43 < englishman> it uses google maps, but there is no updating
2017-06-05T06:11:45 < englishman> or something
2017-06-05T06:11:46 < dongs> oh
2017-06-05T06:11:52 < englishman> and the routes are super dumb
2017-06-05T06:12:20 < englishman> like i used my phone instead
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2017-06-05T06:20:39 < dongs> any of you faggots living with roommates
2017-06-05T06:20:47 < dongs> do you share shitpaper
2017-06-05T06:20:51 < dongs> or do you each have your own roll
2017-06-05T06:20:55 < englishman> like at the same time?
2017-06-05T06:21:16 < englishman> wat
2017-06-05T06:22:01 < englishman> no
2017-06-05T06:22:56 < rajkosto> same roll wtf
2017-06-05T06:23:06 < rajkosto> why would you need your own
2017-06-05T06:23:08 < dongs> i should probly ask in a less retarded cahnnel
2017-06-05T06:23:15 < dongs> this place is too pro
2017-06-05T06:23:33 < englishman> no
2017-06-05T06:23:35 < englishman> ask it here
2017-06-05T06:23:42 < dongs> i did
2017-06-05T06:23:44 < dongs> that was teh question
2017-06-05T06:23:54 < dongs> i still ahvent receveid a non-autistic answer
2017-06-05T06:23:58 < dongs> probly cuz amp!six is sleeping
2017-06-05T06:24:15 < englishman> having your own roll is wtf
2017-06-05T06:24:17 < englishman> just the idea
2017-06-05T06:24:24 < englishman> let alone the implementation
2017-06-05T06:24:29 < rajkosto> whats so special about toilet paper that you would need your own roll
2017-06-05T06:26:05 < dongs> donno man i'm just asking
2017-06-05T06:26:10 < dongs> what would stm32pros do
2017-06-05T06:26:37 < dongs> finalyl a proper answer from another channel
2017-06-05T06:26:43 < dongs> > if you go to a public restroom, or one at a restaurant or store, isn't there just a roll hanging there that you make use of?
2017-06-05T06:26:55 < rajkosto> or that dispenser kinda thing
2017-06-05T06:27:02 < rajkosto> that gives you pre-cut papers
2017-06-05T06:28:53 < englishman> well in that case it depends
2017-06-05T06:29:02 < englishman> are you currently in nicaragua/guatemala etc
2017-06-05T06:29:11 < englishman> where you usually bring your own
2017-06-05T06:29:15 < englishman> but you asked about roommates
2017-06-05T06:32:04 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSJG5e0s43c holy shit do want
2017-06-05T06:34:50 < dongs> The R-360 is rated for 220VAC @ 50 Amps, 3 phase. Total power consumption = 2500 Watts.
2017-06-05T06:59:30 < emeb_mac> that's not so much
2017-06-05T06:59:36 < emeb_mac> only two hairdryers
2017-06-05T07:00:43 < dongs> but can it run off a STM32
2017-06-05T07:01:10 < rajkosto> does Continuous conversion for ADC wait for the value to be consumed/interrupt to be done ?
2017-06-05T07:02:12 < dongs> no?
2017-06-05T07:02:14 < dongs> what do ytou mean
2017-06-05T07:02:18 < dongs> you usually just use that + DMA
2017-06-05T07:02:26 < dongs> and it ends up in a buffer for you to read
2017-06-05T07:02:30 < rajkosto> well if DMA is enabled and it just continuously converts it will end up overwriting the buffer during wraparound before its consumed
2017-06-05T07:02:36 < dongs> yes
2017-06-05T07:02:37 < dongs> of course
2017-06-05T07:03:00 < dongs> just setup circular dma and have it overwrite itself
2017-06-05T07:03:03 < rajkosto> so i have to consume it faster than amount of sampling time ?
2017-06-05T07:03:27 < dongs> if you *have* to have actual timed samples, then pick them up in DMA_TC interrupt or something.
2017-06-05T07:03:32 < dongs> if you dont carea bout timing then just read it whenever?
2017-06-05T07:04:03 < rajkosto> if i have number of conversion 16, it will only emit one DMA_TC per 16 samples ?
2017-06-05T07:04:08 < dongs> yes
2017-06-05T07:04:11 < dongs> when the buffer is filled
2017-06-05T07:04:15 < dongs> with 16 channels
2017-06-05T07:04:34 < rajkosto> i can still be racing
2017-06-05T07:04:38 < rajkosto> isnt it better to double buffer it
2017-06-05T07:04:48 < rajkosto> so its writing to tail while im processing head
2017-06-05T07:05:19 < dongs> well you could use oneshot dma and not circular
2017-06-05T07:05:25 < dongs> anyway, why do you need accurate timing?
2017-06-05T07:05:37 < rajkosto> i want to sum 16 samples
2017-06-05T07:05:40 < rajkosto> into one integer
2017-06-05T07:05:55 < rajkosto> so i need them all to be from one conversion group
2017-06-05T07:06:24 < emeb_mac> so do what dongs said and do the sum when you get the TC IRQ
2017-06-05T07:06:40 < rajkosto> is TC better or HAL_ADC_ConvCpltCallback
2017-06-05T07:06:53 < rajkosto> if what you are saying is true then TC would happen after convcplt
2017-06-05T07:06:58 < dongs> rajkosto: https://github.com/limhyon/esc32/blob/master/src/adc.c
2017-06-05T07:07:11 < emeb_mac> TC comes direct from the DMA controller
2017-06-05T07:07:19 < emeb_mac> don't know where that HAL crap comes from
2017-06-05T07:07:19 < dongs> pretty decent setup for doing fast ADC sampling + processing/averaging
2017-06-05T07:08:14 < rajkosto> i love how all these libraries never match what im supposed to be using
2017-06-05T07:08:20 < rajkosto> every sample/tutorial
2017-06-05T07:08:23 < rajkosto> has slightly different one
2017-06-05T07:08:31 < dongs> its the concepts that counts
2017-06-05T07:09:00 < emeb_mac> learn to see the big picture.
2017-06-05T07:09:14 < emeb_mac> details may vary - the important stuff is what happens
2017-06-05T07:09:17 < rajkosto> all that circular dma mode means is that the address doesnt reset to starting address after a TC ?
2017-06-05T07:09:40 < emeb_mac> address *does* reset to start after TC
2017-06-05T07:10:02 < rajkosto> then what is the difference between normal and circular
2017-06-05T07:10:19 < emeb_mac> but if you make the buffer 2x bigger than you need and use TC + HT then you'll get two IRQs per buffer
2017-06-05T07:10:31 < emeb_mac> and 1 IRQ for every set you want
2017-06-05T07:10:42 < rajkosto> HT ?
2017-06-05T07:10:47 < emeb_mac> half-transfer
2017-06-05T07:10:59 < emeb_mac> happens when buffer is 1/2 full
2017-06-05T07:11:29 < emeb_mac> and you get some slack time to process the first half while the second half fills
2017-06-05T07:11:38 < rajkosto> yes this is what i want
2017-06-05T07:12:15 < emeb_mac> so if you want 16 samples, make the buffer 32 and ask for HT + TC
2017-06-05T07:12:30 < emeb_mac> then your ISR looks at the flags to tell which one fired
2017-06-05T07:12:40 < emeb_mac> if it was HT, process the 1st half
2017-06-05T07:12:47 < emeb_mac> if it was TC, process the 2nd half
2017-06-05T07:12:48 < rajkosto> you didnt tell me what the difference was if it always resets to beginning of array
2017-06-05T07:12:57 < dongs> teh fact that it DOESNT STOP
2017-06-05T07:13:00 < emeb_mac> normal stops after TC
2017-06-05T07:13:06 < emeb_mac> circular loops back
2017-06-05T07:13:06 < dongs> a one shot normal DMA will stop
2017-06-05T07:13:08 < dongs> yep
2017-06-05T07:13:24 < rajkosto> doesnt the ADC initiate the DMA ?
2017-06-05T07:13:29 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-06-05T07:13:35 < emeb_mac> but you set it up for continuous
2017-06-05T07:13:40 < emeb_mac> so it keeps triggering
2017-06-05T07:13:50 < rajkosto> so then i want normal, not continous dma ?
2017-06-05T07:13:53 < emeb_mac> if you use normal then DMA ignores all triggers after TC
2017-06-05T07:14:06 < dongs> only if you want gaps in your samples
2017-06-05T07:14:11 < emeb_mac> that
2017-06-05T07:14:16 < rajkosto> TC is when number of words specified in DMA_Start is reached ?
2017-06-05T07:14:29 < dongs> its when channel->CNDTR reaches 0
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2017-06-05T07:23:05 < rajkosto> it seems that i should use these https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-05_06-23-00.png
2017-06-05T07:25:11 < dongs> what the niggerfuck is sshnuke.net
2017-06-05T07:25:23 < rajkosto> my domain, y u mad ?
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2017-06-05T07:27:55 < ohsix> werd up
2017-06-05T07:28:07 < ohsix> welded plastic today, worked better than i expected
2017-06-05T07:28:19 < ohsix> plus nylon, you can get lots of it cheap in zip ties ;D
2017-06-05T07:29:48 < ohsix> gd @ grep oom'ing
2017-06-05T07:30:02 < ohsix> didn't even know it could do it before yesterday, but it can
2017-06-05T07:31:30 < dongs> use a less shit client
2017-06-05T07:31:39 < dongs>  2 ohsix: ALL
2017-06-05T07:31:40 < dongs>  3 *ohsix*!*@*: ALL
2017-06-05T07:31:40 < dongs>  4 LeelooMinai: ALL
2017-06-05T07:31:45 < dongs> this solves all my problems
2017-06-05T07:32:03 < dongs> #1 is joins/parts in unrelated channel
2017-06-05T07:40:59 < rajkosto> in dma start do i give it number of words or number of half words (i set the dma config to half words)
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2017-06-05T07:48:54 < rajkosto> HAL_ADC_Start_DMA(ADC_HandleTypeDef* hadc, uint32_t* pData, uint32_t Length) it just says "length of data" but pData is in uint32_t sooo
2017-06-05T07:55:01 < dongs> this hal thing just makes everything so dumb
2017-06-05T07:55:21 < rajkosto> the examples on the net it seems to be the number of "units" so if you specified half words its number of half words
2017-06-05T07:55:28 < dongs> right
2017-06-05T07:55:30 < rajkosto> should have made pData just void* then
2017-06-05T08:03:30 < rajkosto> anyway, we convertin now
2017-06-05T08:07:30 < rajkosto> so the difference between the 3pin and the 4pin thumbstick is that the 4pin one has the value as a differential signal
2017-06-05T08:10:23 < rajkosto> (which is actually quite useful as you dont have to zero your adc, but you do use 2 of them)
2017-06-05T08:48:34 < ohsix> boogers
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2017-06-05T09:01:38 < ohsix> upgrdman: eevblog in your market https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NBnPfPhWE
2017-06-05T09:04:50 < ohsix> did he just find out or what, this is kind of nutty-late
2017-06-05T09:07:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh ya lol
2017-06-05T09:07:47 < upgrdman> eli the prostate guy is getting into MAKE:R stuff too
2017-06-05T09:08:07 < dongs> https://youtu.be/g9obm1G_za8 holy shit
2017-06-05T09:08:16 < dongs> opening up aliexpress: now
2017-06-05T09:09:39 < ohsix> eli the prostate guy?
2017-06-05T09:10:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, s/prostate/computer
2017-06-05T09:11:27 < dongs> upgrdman: i thought you were a cool guy why you sperg with the 'six
2017-06-05T09:12:14 < upgrdman> dongs, i srsly dont know why you hate bro6 so much. he not much weirder than me.
2017-06-05T09:12:30 < dongs> upgrdman: last i checked, you had some brototypes made and working
2017-06-05T09:12:36 < dongs> and not just constant stream of autism 24/7
2017-06-05T09:12:36 < upgrdman> lol :) ok
2017-06-05T09:13:09 < upgrdman> that jap gimbal game looks super fun
2017-06-05T09:13:14 < dongs> its chinq
2017-06-05T09:13:18 < dongs> its a clone of a sega R360
2017-06-05T09:13:20 < dongs> from like 1990
2017-06-05T09:13:23 < upgrdman> oh, just jap title on youtube?
2017-06-05T09:13:23 < dongs> but for 2 ppl
2017-06-05T09:13:26 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-05T09:13:31 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-05T09:13:31 < dongs> the title is guangzhou game show
2017-06-05T09:13:36 < upgrdman> ah
2017-06-05T09:13:36 < dongs> https://detail.1688.com/offer/540395736853.html?spm=a2615.7691456.0.0.r7KbuS
2017-06-05T09:13:38 < dongs> $40k
2017-06-05T09:13:47 < dongs> if that included shipping to japan I could paypal it today
2017-06-05T09:14:05 < dongs> that + vr headset and I'd never leave my basement
2017-06-05T09:14:06 < dongs> for sure
2017-06-05T09:14:07 < upgrdman> if i had a big house i'd order one too
2017-06-05T09:14:27 < upgrdman> but then again, its prolly not made to fit a 'MURICAN!-sized guy
2017-06-05T09:14:34 < dongs> well thats why it has TWO seats
2017-06-05T09:14:41 < dongs> you order 'murican version, it'll have one seat
2017-06-05T09:14:44 < upgrdman> one for each ass cheek
2017-06-05T09:14:45 < dongs> to fit all your fat in it
2017-06-05T09:15:48 < upgrdman> unrelated, this weekend i found out that i like the chillstep music genre
2017-06-05T09:17:54 < upgrdman> for a non-jap to detect katakana vs hiragana, is the main difference that hiragana is more curvey?
2017-06-05T09:18:10 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-05T09:18:42 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-05T09:19:26 < dongs> man that jap has all thsoe v ideos and they're like 0 views
2017-06-05T09:19:36 < dongs> hmm he only upped them 3 weeks ago
2017-06-05T09:19:38 < dongs> but show was in march
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2017-06-05T09:20:10 < dongs> yes
2017-06-05T09:20:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, + a rumblepack in your anus for the dogfights
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2017-06-05T09:20:42 < dongs> ill go check thatp lace out next im in china
2017-06-05T09:27:24 < dongs> upgrdman: yeha. max load 200kg
2017-06-05T09:27:28 < dongs> for 2 players
2017-06-05T09:27:34 < dongs> definitely gonna need a single seat for 'murica
2017-06-05T09:27:50 < upgrdman> 200kg is what, 400lbs? not bad
2017-06-05T09:27:54 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-05T09:28:01 < dongs> faggot units
2017-06-05T09:28:05 < dongs> 200kg is 200kg
2017-06-05T09:28:09 < dongs> looks like 440lbs
2017-06-05T09:28:29 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q=average+weight+of+a+walmart+shopper
2017-06-05T09:28:30 < upgrdman> ya, so like 1 fat american blob, or 2 fit americans
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2017-06-05T09:37:38 < rajkosto> 1.5cmx1.5cm shielded bluetooth modules go
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2017-06-05T09:40:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QhQME76RM
2017-06-05T09:40:49 < dongs> is this a VR jetpack
2017-06-05T09:40:55 < dongs> fuckin chinks
2017-06-05T09:40:58 < dongs> cloning everything
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2017-06-05T10:01:47 < rajkosto> why dont you clone what the chinks make
2017-06-05T10:02:51 < rajkosto> is stm32 the best mcu ? y/y
2017-06-05T10:03:08 < dongs> mare
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2017-06-05T10:24:36 < crt> Good morning
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2017-06-05T10:26:57 < rajkosto> good moroning
2017-06-05T10:35:09 < rajkosto> this goat
2017-06-05T10:35:11 < rajkosto> he screams like a man
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2017-06-05T10:51:51 < Steffanx> Such europe time crt
2017-06-05T11:04:17 < dongs> BREAKING: Police responds to possible explosion and hostage situation in Brighton, Melbourne, Australia; Bay Street blocked off
2017-06-05T11:04:22 < dongs> RIP crt neighborhood
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2017-06-05T11:19:29 < Steffanx> Hmm, crt had a good influence on the local gang?!
2017-06-05T11:20:53 < Steffanx> Sores dongs ? Or random irc twatter?
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2017-06-05T11:41:52 < rajkosto> are there any stm32 without internal core volt regulator ? i have a 1.2v supply handy
2017-06-05T11:45:04 < crt> Lol
2017-06-05T11:45:14 < crt> Hi
2017-06-05T11:47:14 < jpa-> rajkosto: you can disable the internal regulator if for some crazy reason you want to
2017-06-05T11:47:22 < rajkosto> how do i feed it tho
2017-06-05T11:47:30 < jpa-> through the vcap pins
2017-06-05T11:47:44 < rajkosto> wouldnt it still need to boot "regulated" tho
2017-06-05T11:47:57 < jpa-> what does it matter?
2017-06-05T11:48:22 < rajkosto> i need to specify separate vdd_io and vdd_core
2017-06-05T11:52:28 < rajkosto> anyway doesnt matter now
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2017-06-05T12:26:08 < crt> Ok
2017-06-05T12:26:14 < crt> Soi was walking
2017-06-05T12:27:17 < crt> Some business is like jew* or *jew
2017-06-05T12:27:25 < crt> Dongs is here I know it
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2017-06-05T12:40:32 < rajkosto> how do i resize a bunch of tracks in altium its not giving me create union or move/resize tracks
2017-06-05T12:42:32 < rajkosto> ...
2017-06-05T12:42:41 < rajkosto> why arent the same tools available in pcb and footprint editor
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2017-06-05T12:50:18 < invzim> select tracks, pcb -> pcbInspector, set track width
2017-06-05T12:51:02 < rajkosto> hahahaha
2017-06-05T12:51:04 < rajkosto> not the width my friend
2017-06-05T12:51:12 < rajkosto> resize as in resize the group like you would in photoshop in paint
2017-06-05T12:52:18 < invzim> not exactly sure what you want, but do tell if you figure something out - moving stuff with tracks is a pita for me so far
2017-06-05T12:52:36 < rajkosto> youve forgottenn how you can change the scale of a selected rectangle in paint ?
2017-06-05T12:54:48 < invzim> if I have extra space, I just 'push' them
2017-06-05T12:54:58 < rajkosto> its "resize union"
2017-06-05T12:55:04 < rajkosto> you dont understand what the hell im trying to do
2017-06-05T12:55:22 < rajkosto> the problem with resize union is that eventually it just dissapears for some reason
2017-06-05T12:59:00 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lGqblrm4/IMG_0177.JPG
2017-06-05T12:59:20 < Steffanx> Yes crt?
2017-06-05T12:59:36 < Steffanx> oh, the ground. :)
2017-06-05T13:00:17 < Steffanx> So what are you actually doing in the united kindoms crt? Buying No smoking signs?
2017-06-05T13:00:18 < crt> JEWSON
2017-06-05T13:00:27 < crt> WTF Laurenceb
2017-06-05T13:01:10 < crt> a gift from overseas
2017-06-05T13:03:45 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hBxgy2H5/1496657011.JPG
2017-06-05T13:04:02 < crt> This your car blaxter???
2017-06-05T13:16:22 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2017-06-05T13:19:58 < crt> I know you're awake I can fucking smell ya
2017-06-05T13:21:42 < Steffanx> you have to say Laurenceb or Laurenceb_
2017-06-05T13:31:40 < crt> Haha
2017-06-05T13:31:58 < crt> Best tendies in UK Laurenceb ?
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2017-06-05T13:33:11 < crt> Why is it so overcast blaxter?
2017-06-05T13:34:11 < crt> If I drink beer before midday is that ok?
2017-06-05T13:34:42 < Steffanx> Sure
2017-06-05T13:36:36 < crt> What if it's cold
2017-06-05T13:37:18 < Steffanx> !wz london
2017-06-05T13:37:19 < dieforirc> [London, United Kingdom] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 16.5°C. SW wind: 19.3 kph. Humidity: 68%.
2017-06-05T13:37:23 < Steffanx> its not that cold.
2017-06-05T13:37:53 < crt> The beeer mate
2017-06-05T13:37:58 < crt>  It the weather
2017-06-05T13:41:25 < Steffanx> Hmm, so it turns out you can actually brick a LPC. There this this isp boot pin, but that's not connected on the board i use -__
2017-06-05T13:41:39 < Steffanx> Connect under reset does not seem to be an option.
2017-06-05T13:42:24 < Steffanx> And the pin will never be connected as it's a BGA.
2017-06-05T13:47:21 < crt> Better hire rossman
2017-06-05T13:47:34 < Steffanx> i dont know a rossman
2017-06-05T13:50:09 < crt> Better watch YouTube
2017-06-05T13:51:48 < Steffanx> ill watch you on YT doing repairs
2017-06-05T13:53:28 < crt> Cool
2017-06-05T13:53:57 < crt> How do I fix a board with multiple shorts between 4 layers
2017-06-05T13:54:08 < rajkosto> throw it into acid and dissolve it
2017-06-05T13:54:16 < crt> Exactly
2017-06-05T13:54:31 < crt> Better ask crt mate
2017-06-05T13:54:55 < crt> How many fucken pounds is a shitty laptop here
2017-06-05T13:55:06 < sync> ooops Steffanx
2017-06-05T13:55:20 < crt> Sup sync
2017-06-05T13:55:29 < Steffanx> yeah, ill blame hw engineer that made the board :P
2017-06-05T13:55:37 < Steffanx> Nah, that's not nice, but..
2017-06-05T13:55:58 < sync> having a nice cuppa coffee
2017-06-05T13:56:25 < Steffanx> Define nice.
2017-06-05T13:58:16 < sync> I like it very much
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2017-06-05T14:25:02 < crt> Good morning Tectu
2017-06-05T14:25:16 < Tectu> afternoon*
2017-06-05T14:25:19 < Tectu> learn how to time-zone
2017-06-05T14:26:03 < crt> Nuh
2017-06-05T14:26:11 < crt> What's yours
2017-06-05T14:26:38 < Tectu> UTC+01:00
2017-06-05T14:26:44 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/88RjcCML/IMG_0183.PNG
2017-06-05T14:27:11 < crt> Couldn't fine TECTULAND
2017-06-05T14:27:38 < Tectu> I am UK+1
2017-06-05T14:27:46 < crt> Geneva
2017-06-05T14:27:54 < crt> I'll just pretend you're there
2017-06-05T14:28:14 < crt> Just like steffan lives in Germany
2017-06-05T14:29:01 < crt> Scratch that, Amsterdam
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2017-06-05T14:38:02 < Steffanx> Im like 200km away from there mr crt
2017-06-05T14:38:17 < Steffanx> in dutchland that is like a huge distance
2017-06-05T14:38:26 < crt> Better get tectu
2017-06-05T14:38:49 < crt> Crazy how far away I am from straya
2017-06-05T14:38:59 < crt> I don't miss it
2017-06-05T14:39:26 < Steffanx> this clsoe to Laurenceb can also affect you in a bad way
2017-06-05T14:39:31 < crt> "I still call Australia home" - ok mate
2017-06-05T14:39:38 < crt> Lol
2017-06-05T14:39:59 < crt> The blaxter effect - paper by stm32
2017-06-05T14:40:21 < Steffanx> Blaxter ratio. We had that years ago.
2017-06-05T14:43:12 < crt> Nice
2017-06-05T14:43:24 < crt> I'd enjoy a 2hr video documentary
2017-06-05T14:45:34 < crt> Senpai - how I transitioned from hating blacks and Jews to hating niggers, kikes and being stm32pro
2017-06-05T14:45:42 < crt> Plus more stories
2017-06-05T14:45:48 < crt> Grab it on VHS
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2017-06-05T14:57:43 < ReadError> cool tell all story crt
2017-06-05T14:58:07 < crt> The crt story
2017-06-05T14:58:13 < crt> He pumped and pumped
2017-06-05T14:58:20 < crt> Kept pumping
2017-06-05T14:58:35 < crt> So steffan tried to kill him with stroopwafel overdose
2017-06-05T14:59:08 < ReadError> I might even steal a copy of irr
2017-06-05T14:59:08 < Steffanx> He iddnt even know what pumping was before dongs said it.
2017-06-05T14:59:11 < crt> Crt survived and flew to have a sexual liaison with laurence
2017-06-05T14:59:14 < ReadError> it
2017-06-05T14:59:20 < ReadError> Steffanx: lol
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2017-06-05T14:59:37 < ReadError> remember when he first came
2017-06-05T14:59:40 < crt> That is true steffan and ED told me much
2017-06-05T14:59:49 < Steffanx> ED = El Dongs?
2017-06-05T14:59:54 < ReadError> the accusations
2017-06-05T15:00:03 < crt> Encyclopaedia dramatica
2017-06-05T15:00:25 < ReadError> dongs was convinced he was a pumper here to troll him
2017-06-05T15:00:37 < crt> Hahaha
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2017-06-05T15:00:46 < Steffanx> ì dont remember, but.. im not surprised
2017-06-05T15:01:09 < crt> I had the same with #higan
2017-06-05T15:01:50 < crt> The fuckmuppets though just because I had .au in my host I was their arch rival
2017-06-05T15:02:35 < crt> Their highly autistic dev known as 'byuu' is a certified cracker
2017-06-05T15:02:37 < BrainDamage> could be worse, you could be byuu or twinapex
2017-06-05T15:02:45 < crt> Hahahahahahaha
2017-06-05T15:03:12 < crt> What is it with emuscene fruitloops
2017-06-05T15:04:32 < crt> Laurenceb_: steffan was looking for you
2017-06-05T15:04:51 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-06-05T15:05:57 < BrainDamage> crt: did you become fuckbuddies with laurenceb yet?
2017-06-05T15:06:32 < crt> Rofl
2017-06-05T15:07:07 < Laurenceb_> Harris
2017-06-05T15:07:27 < crt> Oh dear
2017-06-05T15:10:21 < invzim> good tip on the logitech software, got mouse buttons mapped to P, CTRL-SHIFT and backspace
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2017-06-05T15:11:07 < dongs> crt is still a pumper
2017-06-05T15:11:23 < dongs> <invzim> but I still prefer the lunix buttfuck way
2017-06-05T15:11:36 < crt> Thanks dongs
2017-06-05T15:12:09 < crt> I used that word in conversation
2017-06-05T15:12:20 < crt> Yesterday
2017-06-05T15:12:45 < dongs> lunix?
2017-06-05T15:12:47 < dongs> buttfuck?
2017-06-05T15:12:49 < dongs> pumper?
2017-06-05T15:14:24 < crt> Pumper
2017-06-05T15:15:28 < crt> Speaking of sales whores who will only sell 1 brand no matter the quality or fit for application
2017-06-05T15:20:39 < Steffanx> Me
2017-06-05T15:21:24 < ReadError> there is actually 1 real pumper here
2017-06-05T15:23:04 < crt> Tell me moar
2017-06-05T15:23:52 < ReadError> I can't mark them like that
2017-06-05T15:24:40 < crt> Why not
2017-06-05T15:25:27 < Steffanx> Its me \o/
2017-06-05T15:25:54 < crt> Figured
2017-06-05T15:28:28 < Steffanx> but it's ##stm32 that made me one. Go figure.
2017-06-05T15:29:04 < crt> Yah
2017-06-05T15:29:10 < crt> The stm32 story
2017-06-05T15:29:37 < crt> Can u make #stm32 Offtopic?
2017-06-05T15:29:52 < Steffanx> #stm32 is already offtopic
2017-06-05T15:31:21 < crt> Hmm
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2017-06-05T15:38:21 < englishman> c r t
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2017-06-05T16:02:47 < crt> Crt
2017-06-05T16:02:56 < crt> Reporten
2017-06-05T16:30:12 < Thorn> dragon docking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEAfC00Sj3M
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2017-06-05T17:02:15 < crt> Is that gay Thorn
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2017-06-05T17:04:55 < Steffanx> Stop teapotting crt.
2017-06-05T17:07:58 < crt> Hi
2017-06-05T17:08:19 < crt> It's 3pm and there is no beer
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2017-06-05T17:10:55 < englishman> lies
2017-06-05T17:11:12 < englishman> its teatime
2017-06-05T17:14:50 < Steffanx> ping...
2017-06-05T17:15:23 < Steffanx> hows yankeeland englishman?
2017-06-05T17:15:26 < Steffanx> What time is it there?
2017-06-05T17:15:47 < Steffanx> nevermind.. it's mcdonalds time
2017-06-05T17:16:00 < englishman> I'm still in canuckistan
2017-06-05T17:16:49 < Steffanx> Tesla was canuckistan too?
2017-06-05T17:17:37 < crt> Lol
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2017-06-05T17:23:10 < Thorn> how do I ADPCM
2017-06-05T17:27:16 < englishman> canuck tesla
2017-06-05T17:27:24 < englishman> returned it
2017-06-05T17:27:32 < englishman> mixed thoughts tbh
2017-06-05T17:27:40 < englishman> where is its competition?
2017-06-05T17:27:53 < englishman> there are zero other luxury electric cars
2017-06-05T17:28:06 < englishman> And its not new. Its 6-7 years old now
2017-06-05T17:29:04 < dongs> BREAKING: Gunman opens fire in Orlando, Florida; multiple fatalities reported
2017-06-05T17:30:08 < Steffanx> beaking
2017-06-05T17:30:13 < englishman> And very few electric cars at all
2017-06-05T17:30:38 < englishman> So it's the best electric car. But why is nobody else even trying?
2017-06-05T17:30:54 < Thorn> which 18650 do I buy from China
2017-06-05T17:31:07 < englishman> truefire
2017-06-05T17:31:10 < englishman> ultrafire
2017-06-05T17:31:12 < dongs> the ones inside tesla
2017-06-05T17:31:18 < englishman> as long as it has fire in the name you're good
2017-06-05T17:31:30 < Steffanx> Just random shoooting, what's new dongs?
2017-06-05T17:31:36 < Steffanx> How is that still BREAKING.
2017-06-05T17:31:40 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/techillusions?lang=en
2017-06-05T17:31:47 < Laurenceb_> how are they in business still
2017-06-05T17:33:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/292500
2017-06-05T17:33:54 < Laurenceb_> lulling
2017-06-05T17:33:56 < Steffanx> How are you still alive Laurenceb_?
2017-06-05T17:34:15 < Laurenceb_> exercise from constant fapping to ellsworthless
2017-06-05T17:34:25 < englishman> feeding off of chats
2017-06-05T17:35:13 < sync> englishman: I had the same impression
2017-06-05T17:35:42 < englishman> Yeah
2017-06-05T17:35:51 < englishman> Have to try other bevs now
2017-06-05T17:37:35 < dongs> fucking jerry ellsowrthless
2017-06-05T17:37:53 < dongs> anyway why is tesla even relevant in 2017
2017-06-05T17:37:59 < dongs> their caris shit
2017-06-05T17:39:03 < Steffanx> Uhm, what's a better one?
2017-06-05T17:39:19 < dongs> why the fuck is castar just retwerting garbage
2017-06-05T17:42:14 < Laurenceb_> I know right
2017-06-05T17:42:19 < Laurenceb_> where is the hardware
2017-06-05T17:42:22 < Laurenceb_> 4 years late
2017-06-05T17:43:52 < englishman> right Steffanx
2017-06-05T17:44:04 < englishman> where's the car that's Better than Tesla?
2017-06-05T17:44:28 < englishman> Nobody else is trying
2017-06-05T17:44:55 < Thorn> what kind of compression can I expect with adpcm vs. pcm
2017-06-05T17:46:17 < dongs> isnt adpcm fixed 4:1
2017-06-05T17:54:21 < Laurenceb_> do any of these run ok on F4 ?
2017-06-05T17:54:40 < Laurenceb_> dunno how they would perform with vibration data anyway...
2017-06-05T17:58:55 < dongs> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFllgHbjnlU explain please
2017-06-05T17:59:40 < englishman> ? What do you want to know
2017-06-05T17:59:47 < englishman> supercub low speed kit
2017-06-05T17:59:50 < englishman> slight headwind
2017-06-05T17:59:52 < englishman> skill
2017-06-05T17:59:54 < dongs> ok
2017-06-05T18:00:28 < englishman> pretty huge flaps
2017-06-05T18:00:36 < englishman> could be as low as 15kt
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2017-06-05T18:08:29 < Laurenceb_> http://brightrecruits.com/job/9899/senior-accelerator-physicist-isis-intense-beams-group-irc241289
2017-06-05T18:08:31 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-06-05T18:08:31 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/AppropriateBronzeGelada
2017-06-05T18:09:35 < aandrew> wtf did he shoot at?
2017-06-05T18:09:51 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EYZnSXEla0
2017-06-05T18:10:30 < englishman> aandrew: likely tannerite, a legal binary reactive target
2017-06-05T18:10:57 < englishman> 😸😸😸😸😸😸
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2017-06-05T18:18:33 < Rob235> first day of school
2017-06-05T18:19:04 < englishman> lol Thorn
2017-06-05T18:19:12 < englishman> better with audio
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2017-06-05T18:23:27 < Steffanx> Home school Rob235 ...
2017-06-05T18:23:50 < Rob235> ?
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2017-06-05T18:24:29 < Steffanx> You are actually at school? I thought you did internet schooling
2017-06-05T18:24:50 < Rob235> yes internet, I just didn't get what you meant
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2017-06-05T18:26:16 < Rob235> only taking me 12 extra years to graduate :)
2017-06-05T18:26:50 < Rob235> ehh whatever, at least I'm moving forwardds
2017-06-05T18:41:56 < Steffanx> Yay
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2017-06-05T19:24:20  * Laurenceb_ went to home school
2017-06-05T19:24:30 < aandrew> oh yeah I remember that video
2017-06-05T19:24:35 < Laurenceb_> cuz I got expelled from all local schools
2017-06-05T19:24:59 < aandrew> Laurenceb_ got expelled from homeschool too, that's why he gets his education here in ##stm32
2017-06-05T19:26:48 < BrainDamage> and 4chan
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2017-06-05T19:48:54 < invzim> shit it getting long and tight..  hate the last 15% of routing a board
2017-06-05T19:48:58 < Rob235> should I read for artificial intelligence or ethics
2017-06-05T19:50:28 < Steffanx> ED ethics
2017-06-05T19:50:46 < Rob235> ed?
2017-06-05T19:51:05 < Rob235> you are talking strange today steffan
2017-06-05T19:51:06 < Rob235> :)
2017-06-05T19:57:13 < englishman> flyback: nah different idiot
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2017-06-05T20:02:40 < Steffanx> ed is common here.
2017-06-05T20:02:57 < Steffanx> encyclopedia dramatica :P
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2017-06-05T20:10:02 < Laurenceb_> crt found
2017-06-05T20:10:06 < Laurenceb_> http://gavinrodgers.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif
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2017-06-05T20:11:37 < Steffanx> This is one of your best images so far Laurenceb_. Keep it up.
2017-06-05T20:11:51 < Laurenceb_> he's a big guy
2017-06-05T20:12:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.rolfharrisisinnocent.com/
2017-06-05T20:12:19 < Steffanx> A big guy that fix into one pixel?
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2017-06-05T20:12:34 < Steffanx> *fits
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2017-06-05T20:51:09 < jadew> any ideas on what's the catch with this one? https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/m/mentor-graphics/pads-maker
2017-06-05T20:52:20 < Steffanx> first time i see it, so no clue
2017-06-05T20:52:48 < jadew> isn't PADS > Altium?
2017-06-05T20:53:32 < invzim> blasphemy
2017-06-05T20:53:37 < jadew> ah, I think you get a limited number of layers and limited routing area
2017-06-05T20:54:00 < jadew> still, not a bad deal
2017-06-05T20:54:09 < jadew> and you can upgrade to MakerPro for $500
2017-06-05T20:54:50 < invzim> give it a go - I started with eagle and hated it, then spent a lot of effort learning altium
2017-06-05T20:55:16 < jadew> I've used Altium in the past, it's a good tool
2017-06-05T20:55:19 < Steffanx> afaik the learning curve of mentor graphics is even steeper
2017-06-05T20:55:21 < jadew> these days I'm using kicad tho
2017-06-05T20:55:31 < jadew> really?
2017-06-05T20:55:31 < Steffanx> but is this the real mentor graphics?
2017-06-05T20:55:41 < jadew> Steffanx, that's what I'm wondering
2017-06-05T20:56:00 < jadew> I'm tired of crap I have to do with kicad for RF
2017-06-05T20:56:08 < jadew> I have to darw the freaking traces by hand
2017-06-05T20:56:11 < jadew> (as polygons)
2017-06-05T20:56:41 < jadew> it has so few options
2017-06-05T20:57:03 < jadew> you can't change how a trace connects to a pad
2017-06-05T20:57:09 < jadew> you can't change corner style
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2017-06-05T20:57:47 < jadew> and something I just found out, it has little to no support for custom graphics
2017-06-05T20:57:49 < Laurenceb_> wew https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/579895
2017-06-05T20:58:17 < Laurenceb_> Goldman Sacks CEO daughter
2017-06-05T21:00:58 < Streaker> Sachs
2017-06-05T21:01:17 < Laurenceb_> whatever
2017-06-05T21:01:21 < Laurenceb_> too busy fapping
2017-06-05T21:01:49 < Laurenceb_> proof that money makes you mental
2017-06-05T21:02:34 < Steffanx> what made you mental Laurenceb_?
2017-06-05T21:02:54 < Steffanx> fuck it, i should stop getting triggered.
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2017-06-05T21:13:45 < aandrew> lol
2017-06-05T21:13:54 < aandrew> trolling the takedown notices for new torrents?
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2017-06-05T21:47:48 < englishman> Bitcoin (BTC)  $2608.27 (3.79%) 	| Ethereum (ETH)  $247.60 (0.25%)
2017-06-05T21:47:53 < englishman> nuts
2017-06-05T21:48:03 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/862411260717084672
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2017-06-05T22:13:41 < upgrdman> is github broken for you guys?
2017-06-05T22:13:49 < upgrdman> my repos show as http500 :/
2017-06-05T22:14:48 < Steffanx> zypsnips seems to work upgrdman
2017-06-05T22:14:54 < upgrdman> fuck
2017-06-05T22:15:09 < upgrdman> wtf, now it works
2017-06-05T22:15:21 < upgrdman> like literally 2 secodns ago i was getting 500's
2017-06-05T22:17:16 < Steffanx> hah
2017-06-05T22:22:30 < Steffanx> Welcome uklander c4017_
2017-06-05T22:22:32 < Steffanx> crt:
2017-06-05T22:24:03 < jadew> I wonder if there are any companies that use the Webdings font to write their company name
2017-06-05T22:24:23 < Steffanx> im sure there is.
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2017-06-05T22:41:51 < englishman> haha
2017-06-05T22:41:57 < englishman> new intel cpus do onchip raid
2017-06-05T22:42:00 < englishman> for multiple ssds
2017-06-05T22:42:16 < englishman> but you have to buy a physical key and plug it in for raid >0
2017-06-05T22:42:30 < englishman> $100 for raid 1/10 and additional $300 for raid5
2017-06-05T22:43:22 < englishman> and only works with intel-brand m2 ssds
2017-06-05T22:44:09 < Steffanx> im still trying to figure out if i really care englishman. doesnt sound like something i would use.
2017-06-05T22:44:36 < englishman> ?
2017-06-05T22:44:44 < englishman> on-cpu raid is awesome
2017-06-05T22:45:13 < englishman> now that they have a ton of pcie lanes
2017-06-05T22:45:13 < Steffanx> i use zfs mostly.
2017-06-05T22:45:25 < Steffanx> and no raid in my desktop
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2017-06-05T22:45:48 < englishman> sorry to hear that, my freenas setup is still unrecovered
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2017-06-05T22:48:31 < sync>  englishman I would not trust onchip raid tho
2017-06-05T22:52:37 < Rob235> break time
2017-06-05T22:52:49 < Rob235> whats up doods
2017-06-05T22:53:15 < Steffanx> Sky.
2017-06-05T22:53:18 < Laurenceb_> crt came to UK
2017-06-05T22:53:20 < Rob235> lame
2017-06-05T22:53:30 < Laurenceb_> all he did was get drunk in a bar
2017-06-05T22:53:31 < Rob235> :)
2017-06-05T22:53:40 < Rob235> what else is there to do?
2017-06-05T22:53:47 < Steffanx> crt is drunk?
2017-06-05T22:54:03 < Laurenceb_> get killed in terror attack
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2017-06-05T23:05:51 < aandrew> < Laurenceb_> all he did was get drunk in a bar
2017-06-05T23:05:57 < aandrew> that's pretty much the british experience, no?
2017-06-05T23:07:17 < englishman> anyone here know how to get PADS5 ascii out of altidumb
2017-06-05T23:07:35 < englishman> is that the one in file-save as from pcb file
2017-06-05T23:07:44 < englishman> because these guys say the actual PADS export doesnt work
2017-06-05T23:08:17 < englishman> "Binary 5.0" file
2017-06-05T23:08:26 < englishman> so descriptive wow
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2017-06-05T23:21:23 < englishman> oh god this is some freeware eda tool
2017-06-05T23:26:20 < Steffanx> My altium was freeware, does that make it bad?
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2017-06-05T23:29:41 < hetii> Hello :)
2017-06-05T23:31:34 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/gallery/hFIjk story of my life.
2017-06-05T23:32:47 < hetii> I use such simple implementation of my printf functions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24786803/
2017-06-05T23:32:56 < hetii> And here my results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24786851/
2017-06-05T23:33:46 < hetii> I have no clue why when use double_temp = va_arg(arg, double); its converted to wrong value.
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2017-06-05T23:40:05 < jadew> Steffanx, I do that too
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2017-06-05T23:49:52 < karlp> jadew: the catch with mentor's pads is that they may or may not bother continuing with it next year.  this is the second time mentor's brought out a version targetted at the lower end in the last few years.
2017-06-05T23:50:26 < jadew> I see
2017-06-05T23:50:49 < jadew> it looks cadence also comes in a lite version, but it has lots of limitations
2017-06-05T23:51:10 < jadew> *like
2017-06-05T23:51:35 < karlp> I don't see them as being viable. they're not cheap enough I don't think, and when you start to pay real money, you want something with more commitment than, "we're letting digikey sell this thing with maker on it"
2017-06-05T23:52:51 < jadew> I agree, but in the meantime I'm stuck with kicad and I'm wasting time trying to import a logo
2017-06-05T23:54:18 < upgrdman> in altium, how do i make a via not have solder paste (pcb mounting hole)
2017-06-05T23:54:51 < jadew> what's the cheapest I can get Altium for?
2017-06-05T23:55:05 < upgrdman> dunno, $1.8K/yr?
2017-06-05T23:55:32 < jadew> hmm
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2017-06-06T00:00:09 < aandrew> upgrdman: generally I have mounting hole parts where I specify no paste
2017-06-06T00:00:22 < upgrdman> yes i am making a footprint/symbol
2017-06-06T00:00:25 < aandrew> jadew: $100/yr if you lie about being a student
2017-06-06T00:00:27 < upgrdman> how do i specify no paste
2017-06-06T00:00:31 < aandrew> and you will need to present valid student ID
2017-06-06T00:00:46 < aandrew> upgrdman: the pad properties should show it
2017-06-06T00:00:48 < jadew> aandrew, I guess it's time I go back to school then
2017-06-06T00:00:51 < aandrew> I don't have alitum open atm to tell you
2017-06-06T00:00:58 < aandrew> jadew: it's good having a pile of kids
2017-06-06T00:01:07 < aandrew> I get autodesk products for free and altium for cheap
2017-06-06T00:01:09 < jadew> heh
2017-06-06T00:02:53 < englishman> upgrdman: change pastemask shrink
2017-06-06T00:03:14 < englishman> then check on paste layer that it's not there
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2017-06-06T00:04:03 < upgrdman> and how do i make a component like that NOT show up in the BoM
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2017-06-06T00:04:28 < upgrdman> o nm, see "standard no bom"
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2017-06-06T00:17:26 < upgrdman> is it possible to have a component hide its silk refdes? as part of the schlib/pcblib
2017-06-06T00:18:24 < aandrew> yeah I haven't found a nice way to do DNP in Altium
2017-06-06T00:18:36 < aandrew> you can set that but it doesn't show up in the schematic that it's a no-stuff
2017-06-06T00:18:56 < aandrew> you can place a DRC/ERC/whatever symbol over it but then you have a manual process to keep them in sync
2017-06-06T00:19:18 < aandrew> I just use what I've always used (since Orcad SDT/PCB386+): my DNP components have a value prefixed with a literal * character
2017-06-06T00:19:23 < aandrew> eg. *10k
2017-06-06T00:19:34 < aandrew> easy to filter on the BOM, easy to see on the schematic, works everywhere
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2017-06-06T00:38:28 < adamgreig> does anyone know if any Cortex-M7 devices have a cache associativity different to the STM32F7's 4? the ARMv7-M reference manual suggests you might, but the ARM CMSIS header for CM7 will only work when it's 4.
2017-06-06T00:39:31 < adamgreig> or specifically the architecture reference manual says the register format for the set/way cache operations depends on the associativity and number of sets, but the STM32F7 programming manual fixes a size, and that's the same one the CMSIS CM7 header uses
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2017-06-06T00:40:49 < englishman> upgrdman: just put all the designators on a separate layer like mech2
2017-06-06T00:41:15 < zyp> Steffanx, jadew, that's called quality control
2017-06-06T00:41:38 < englishman> aandrew: same... changing to "standard - no bom" sometimes, placing DNP as a prefix other times
2017-06-06T00:41:49 < jadew> zyp, heh
2017-06-06T00:41:51 < upgrdman> englishman, but i only want to do this for one compoent, not every refdes
2017-06-06T00:42:04 < zyp> jadew, I tend to do the same thing
2017-06-06T00:42:16 < englishman> not automatically upgrdman
2017-06-06T00:42:19 < zyp> start typing something, then realize «this doesn't add anything useful» and just drop it
2017-06-06T00:42:25 < englishman> just select+move to another layer
2017-06-06T00:42:27 < englishman> or delete
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2017-06-06T00:45:14 < englishman> anyone know where i can buy a ~12lb cannon or carronade
2017-06-06T00:45:54 < aandrew> aliexpress?
2017-06-06T00:46:43 < sync> I can machine you one
2017-06-06T00:46:52 < englishman> hmm
2017-06-06T00:47:00 < englishman> not a bad idea
2017-06-06T00:47:11 < englishman> balls will probably have to be machined too
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2017-06-06T00:48:25 < sync> shoot wooden dowels?
2017-06-06T00:48:36 < englishman> wonder if it would be cheaper to find an authentic one or make a new one
2017-06-06T00:48:51 < zyp> what are you gonna shoot at?
2017-06-06T00:49:17 < englishman> probably pallets nailed together into a wall
2017-06-06T00:49:26 < englishman> and a lot of blank-firing
2017-06-06T00:49:36 < zyp> heh
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2017-06-06T00:49:44 < zyp> maybe why is a better question
2017-06-06T00:49:51 < zyp> although I guess the answer is «because»
2017-06-06T00:50:09 < englishman> well in vancouver there used to be a gun that went off every night
2017-06-06T00:50:16 < englishman> and i kinda miss routine explosions
2017-06-06T00:50:38 < zyp> haha
2017-06-06T00:50:56 < englishman> and who doesnt want a cannon in the front yard
2017-06-06T00:51:01 < englishman> it would keep the mormons away
2017-06-06T00:51:03 < sync> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Hexagonal_rifling_of_Le_Petulant.jpg dat polygon barrel
2017-06-06T00:52:01 < englishman> nice
2017-06-06T00:52:07 < englishman> high technology
2017-06-06T00:52:15 < kakimir> it's called rifling I think
2017-06-06T00:53:31 < kakimir> or were they just savages back then and "hey.. let's cut some corners and make the barrel octacon it will do"
2017-06-06T00:54:07 < englishman> yes this is an early type of rifling
2017-06-06T00:54:28 < englishman> well it is still used
2017-06-06T00:54:43 < englishman> notably by glock
2017-06-06T00:57:43 < kakimir> really?
2017-06-06T00:57:49 < kakimir> #guns32
2017-06-06T00:57:56 < kakimir> show me it
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2017-06-06T01:00:12 < englishman> http://glock.pro/attachments/glock-tech-warranty/7313d1409831752-up-close-lone-wolf-g34-barrel-glock-rifling.jpg
2017-06-06T01:00:16 < englishman> glock.pro lol nice domain
2017-06-06T01:01:08 < englishman> not many good pix
2017-06-06T01:01:18 < englishman> https://www.all4shooters.com/en/imgres/248x/Shooting/technics/Glock-barrels-polygon-rifling-analysis/glock-barrel-1.jpg
2017-06-06T01:04:48 < Rob235> ehh thats enough artificial intelligence for now, time to read shitty ethics
2017-06-06T01:05:10 < kakimir> it's not polygon
2017-06-06T01:05:14 < kakimir> 'a
2017-06-06T01:05:18 < kakimir> *a
2017-06-06T01:07:14 < Rob235> my gf is telling me about this girl she works with that doesnt have any boundaries.  she keeps talking to her about her hemorrhoids
2017-06-06T01:08:57 < kakimir> keeps talking?
2017-06-06T01:08:59 < kakimir> every day?
2017-06-06T01:09:50 < Rob235> over the course of a few days so far
2017-06-06T01:12:41 < kakimir> does she need her to stop talking about it or stop talking to her completelly?
2017-06-06T01:13:10 < Rob235> about it
2017-06-06T01:13:57 < Rob235> so the situation requires some precision work, cant just tell her to fuck off
2017-06-06T01:14:32 < Rob235> oh well, not my problem
2017-06-06T01:14:55 < Rob235> back to school work, gotta be a model student while I'm still motivated to do so
2017-06-06T01:15:29 < kakimir> how old are you Rob235 `?
2017-06-06T01:15:39 < Rob235> 33, I'm old
2017-06-06T01:15:54 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-06T01:16:00 < kakimir> oldbeard
2017-06-06T01:16:59 < kakimir> so you went studying after a period of time?
2017-06-06T01:18:07 < Rob235> I went straight to college after highschool but got into drinking/drugs, dropped out, now finally finishing up at an online uni
2017-06-06T01:18:29 < kakimir> nice
2017-06-06T01:18:47 < Rob235> lost a decade but at least I made it back
2017-06-06T01:19:18 < kakimir> I lost only half a decade I think
2017-06-06T01:20:13 < Rob235> this is my last semester
2017-06-06T01:20:21 < Rob235> starts today, ends the end of august
2017-06-06T01:21:14 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTSVzeOdj8A amazing animals
2017-06-06T01:22:51 < Rob235> heh the fox at the end is just like fuck that
2017-06-06T01:23:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG9TMn1FJzc
2017-06-06T01:23:34 < kakimir> 2:15
2017-06-06T01:24:21 < kakimir> let's make a turn just for a show
2017-06-06T01:26:13 < Laurenceb_>  > school work
2017-06-06T01:26:15 < Laurenceb_>  > 33
2017-06-06T01:26:30 < Laurenceb_> wew I still have nightmares where I have to go to school forever
2017-06-06T01:26:54 < Rob235> heh
2017-06-06T01:26:58 < Laurenceb_> oh this is murican "school"
2017-06-06T01:27:04 < Laurenceb_> ie college or uni
2017-06-06T01:27:13 < Rob235> yea
2017-06-06T01:27:22 < zyp> Laurenceb_, isn't staying long enough to get a phd pretty much «forever»?
2017-06-06T01:27:31 < Laurenceb_> uni != school
2017-06-06T01:27:39 < Rob235> meh
2017-06-06T01:27:44 < Rob235> close enough
2017-06-06T01:27:44 < Laurenceb_> dont have to turn up at set times and wear uniform
2017-06-06T01:27:49 < kakimir> I have nightmares where I went back to army as a rookie
2017-06-06T01:27:51 < Laurenceb_> call teachers sir
2017-06-06T01:27:51 < zyp> haha, uniform
2017-06-06T01:27:53 < Rob235> I never had a uniform
2017-06-06T01:28:00 < zyp> same
2017-06-06T01:28:04 < Rob235> or called teachers sir
2017-06-06T01:28:06 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-06-06T01:28:21 < Laurenceb_> uk school is basically military training tier
2017-06-06T01:28:34 < hetii> Why this simple code don`t works for stm32? https://pastebin.ca/3827999
2017-06-06T01:28:44 < zyp> hetii, it's wrong
2017-06-06T01:28:49 < hetii> why ?
2017-06-06T01:28:57 < zyp> you didn't write it right!
2017-06-06T01:29:11 < zyp> you misspelled double!
2017-06-06T01:29:12 < Laurenceb_> once I got ordered to do 30 minutes of press-ups after school for being 5 minutes late
2017-06-06T01:29:20 < Laurenceb_> thats what UK school is like
2017-06-06T01:29:40 < Rob235> I wish I only had computer classes left, 3 comp sci classes would be a lot more interesting.  but Im taking artificial intelligence along with ethics and my senior capstone, lots of reading/writing
2017-06-06T01:29:44 < hetii> zyp: ok its write for pc, but similar one that use uart instead printf() raise that passed double argument is not equal to value 1.2
2017-06-06T01:30:14 < Laurenceb_> minor error with your uniform or fail to address a teacher or senior pupil correctly = 1 mile run around grounds
2017-06-06T01:30:19 < zyp> hetii, and?
2017-06-06T01:30:41 < Laurenceb_> uk school is fucked up
2017-06-06T01:30:48 < hetii> zyp: and I want to know the reason ...
2017-06-06T01:30:48 < Rob235> sucks
2017-06-06T01:30:54 < zyp> hetii, does 1.2 have an exact representation in double?
2017-06-06T01:30:58 < Laurenceb_> russian military training tier
2017-06-06T01:31:42 < hetii> zyp: well as I use it as argument and as value for d variable then its equal.
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2017-06-06T01:32:33 < Laurenceb_> but I got expelled for having a harpoon gun in my bag
2017-06-06T01:32:34 < hetii> zyp: problem is when I read it by va_arg()
2017-06-06T01:32:35 < zyp> why do you assume that?
2017-06-06T01:33:01 < hetii> zyp: when uncomment line 08 then its fine
2017-06-06T01:33:17 < hetii> d is equal 1.2 :)
2017-06-06T01:33:36 < zyp> so, what do you get for d?
2017-06-06T01:33:54 < karlp> heh, double equality :)
2017-06-06T01:34:20 < zyp> karlp, yeah
2017-06-06T01:34:29 < karlp> here be dragons y0
2017-06-06T01:34:58 < karlp> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8929005/unittest-sometimes-fails-because-floating-point-imprecision ....
2017-06-06T01:35:11 < karlp> though I suspect you just have a more general va_args problem than a printf problem.
2017-06-06T01:35:29 < hetii> zyp: when using d = va_arg(arp, double); then get 0 or -very_long_number
2017-06-06T01:35:45 < Rob235> haha oh no... someone in my AI class has no idea what the class is for. fucking idiot
2017-06-06T01:37:06 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/cDNTy
2017-06-06T01:39:34 < Rob235> this is why I worry if I will even find a job with an online degree...
2017-06-06T01:39:43 < Rob235> they accept everyone
2017-06-06T01:40:10 < hetii> karlp: I know that internally double type can be stored a bit different like 1.19 etc... but when I pas such argument to function and compare with the same literal doublet then expect that should be equal...
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2017-06-06T01:42:03 < zyp> which libc are you building with? does it have complete float/double support enabled?
2017-06-06T01:42:33 < zyp> that's a typical thing to leave out from stuff like newlib nano
2017-06-06T01:43:30 < Laurenceb_> is this channel about ethics in video game journalism?
2017-06-06T01:43:39 < zyp> no
2017-06-06T01:44:21 < Laurenceb_> doh
2017-06-06T01:44:55 < karlp> hetii: you can think that if you like, but you'll have a bad time with it.
2017-06-06T01:45:19 < Rob235> who the hell would think artificial intelligence would help you running for office? He must be a trump supporter
2017-06-06T01:46:58 < kakimir> you need to know some smart talk
2017-06-06T01:47:14 < kakimir> even when you don't understand shit
2017-06-06T01:50:09 < hetii> zyp: dunno, I don`t compile my toolchain so don`t know what kind flags was used, need to investigate.
2017-06-06T01:52:07 < hetii> zyp: arm-none-eabi-g++ (15:4.9.3+svn231177-1) 4.9.3 20150529 (prerelease)
2017-06-06T01:53:26 < hetii> zyp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24788120/
2017-06-06T01:53:29 < hetii> --disable-decimal-float
2017-06-06T01:54:57 < karlp> hetii: and did you look at what that option does?
2017-06-06T01:57:24 < hetii> still investigate
2017-06-06T02:06:12 < hetii> ok have no clue what`s going on.
2017-06-06T02:06:49 < hetii> I suppose I should get some warring from compiler side when try use types that are not supported.
2017-06-06T02:07:50 < hetii> btw even when I pass 1.2 and have if statement like f (d >1 && d <2) its false, so its not because of floating point imprecision
2017-06-06T02:09:08 < karlp> no. I'm just trying to let you know that you're going to continue having problems if you keep believing that float literal comparisons "should work"
2017-06-06T02:09:24 < karlp> I agree, it looks like you're doing var_args wrong, or var args arne't supported on your system.
2017-06-06T02:11:51 < hetii> ok have no power today anymore for this, thx for chat and maybe I will back to this subject with fresh mind tommorow.
2017-06-06T02:12:12 < hetii> Good night.
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2017-06-06T02:36:51 < jadew> I tried cadence
2017-06-06T02:36:56 < jadew> it's stuck in the 90's
2017-06-06T02:37:29 < jadew> spent 10 minutes on it and couldn't figure out how to go from schematic to layout
2017-06-06T02:49:16 < englishman> haha
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2017-06-06T02:58:58 < jadew> gonna try this next: https://eewiki.net/display/MentorGraphicsDocumentation/PADS+Maker+Schematic
2017-06-06T02:59:44 < jadew> the limitations aren't bad
2017-06-06T03:00:29 < jadew> and going to free to less limitations is only $500, which is decent
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2017-06-06T03:35:44 < jadew> ok, that thing isn't great either
2017-06-06T03:35:45 < upgrdman> lol http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/flint-water-crisis/flint-official-resigns-after-using-racial-slur-describe-residents-water-n768511
2017-06-06T03:35:55 < upgrdman> "A Michigan official that manages tax foreclosed homes for the county where Flint sits has resigned after an audio recording of him blaming the city’s water problems on "n---ers (who) don't pay their bills" surfaced online."
2017-06-06T03:36:37 < upgrdman> TIL dongs works for Michigan
2017-06-06T03:38:45 < jadew> http://www.today.com/video/-red-shoes-and-the-7-dwarfs-ad-stirs-outrage-about-fat-shaming-957761603511
2017-06-06T03:39:13 < jadew> modern problems
2017-06-06T03:39:25 < jadew> fat shaming and terrorism
2017-06-06T03:40:32 < jadew> this probably means that shows like married with children will never be made again, considering the amount of fat jokes it had
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2017-06-06T03:47:55 < upgrdman> MWC was a nice show
2017-06-06T03:48:07 < upgrdman> i used to watch that as a kid
2017-06-06T03:48:23 < upgrdman> i think i downloaded the full series, wil have to binge watch it again some time
2017-06-06T03:48:39 < jadew> I loved it as a kid too, but it's much better now
2017-06-06T03:48:59 < upgrdman> indeed. some shows get better with age
2017-06-06T03:49:08 < upgrdman> now you can understand more of the jokes
2017-06-06T03:49:15 < jadew> yeah
2017-06-06T03:50:00 < upgrdman> jadew, so are you trying different EDA tools to see what you like, or to land a job
2017-06-06T03:50:09 < jadew> to see what I like
2017-06-06T03:50:18 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-06-06T03:51:44 < jadew> unfortunately PADS Maker doesn't seem to have a lot of features I've been hoping for
2017-06-06T03:52:53 < upgrdman> oh so this is why github wasn't working for me earlier today  https://twitter.com/githubstatus/status/871806396274180096
2017-06-06T04:11:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: joop brokked another balancer vidya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxpMWncBKZc
2017-06-06T04:12:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice. bookmarked
2017-06-06T04:12:02 < upgrdman> bbl
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2017-06-06T04:19:33 < willmore> I'm using a blue pill board to drive a multiplixed (HUB75) LED display.  I'm seeing something funny on one of the color channels and I wanted to check something about the STM32F103C8's I/Os.
2017-06-06T04:19:50 < willmore> Does it have any that are only open collector?
2017-06-06T04:20:13 < willmore> I'm looking through the manual, but it's either telling me in a way I can't understand or it doesn't say.
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2017-06-06T04:47:50 < englishman> jadew: what's wrong with diptrace
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2017-06-06T04:53:03 < Rob235> anyone ever try the perfect pushup? the push up hand bars that spin?
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2017-06-06T05:20:13 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9q0G64DM/ROFL.mp4
2017-06-06T05:22:39 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvCQatRG-nQ
2017-06-06T05:23:03 < crt> Hello
2017-06-06T05:23:11 < crt> Where is cat
2017-06-06T05:24:06 < englishman> surveying the back yard
2017-06-06T05:24:14 < crt> :)
2017-06-06T05:24:32 < crt> Good cat
2017-06-06T05:29:22 < crt> 0329hrs
2017-06-06T05:29:40 < crt> Must query englishman on cat activity
2017-06-06T05:29:59 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUeQgkB6oFU
2017-06-06T05:30:10 < englishman> priorities
2017-06-06T05:30:41 < crt> DOS
2017-06-06T05:31:09 < crt> REGISTER YOUR SHAREWARE MATE
2017-06-06T05:32:46 < jadew> englishman, doesn't seem like an upgrade from kicad
2017-06-06T05:32:55 < englishman> ha
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2017-06-06T05:47:25 < jadew> englishman, you have experience with diptrace?
2017-06-06T05:51:10 < Streaker> willmore: open collector outputs haven't been seen since the days of 8051
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2017-06-06T07:49:01 < upgrdman> wow, new ipad pro has 120hz display. i dont care much for the ipad, but fuck yes, maybe we'll see more >60hz devices now
2017-06-06T07:59:45 < jadew> they should make it into a 3D display
2017-06-06T08:00:27 < jadew> couple that with the sensors it has and I bet you'd get a bunch of cool apps
2017-06-06T08:02:46 < upgrdman> well theyre getting in AR
2017-06-06T08:02:59 < upgrdman> demos in today's WWDC keynote
2017-06-06T08:03:09 < upgrdman> placing a cup of coffee on a real table
2017-06-06T08:03:22 < upgrdman> playing some video game on a real table, etc
2017-06-06T08:03:31 < jadew> nice
2017-06-06T08:03:46 < upgrdman> looks kinda "meh" but i suppose it would be nice for furniture apps like Ikea
2017-06-06T08:03:58 < upgrdman> or remodeling apps etc
2017-06-06T08:04:05 < jadew> don't they already have a VR app?
2017-06-06T08:04:19 < jadew> hmm, maybe I can use that line to get my wife on board with getting a vive
2017-06-06T08:04:35 < upgrdman> not just VR, AR
2017-06-06T08:04:46 < upgrdman> but fuck if i know, i dont own any apple products
2017-06-06T08:04:51 < jadew> how would ikea use it tho?
2017-06-06T08:05:02 < jadew> (the AR)
2017-06-06T08:05:09 < jadew> oh... like you could use it at home
2017-06-06T08:05:10 < jadew> yeah
2017-06-06T08:05:16 < jadew> that would be nice
2017-06-06T08:05:16 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-06T08:05:26 < upgrdman> to viz how their shit furnite would look in your shit home
2017-06-06T08:05:39 < upgrdman> furniture*
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2017-06-06T08:17:14 < crt> Better get to keiling crt
2017-06-06T08:29:24 < upgrdman> TPB is a thing
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2017-06-06T08:40:21 < crt> R2COM: yeah mate
2017-06-06T08:41:15 < crt> IRC
2017-06-06T08:42:08 < crt> My last job before I walked out I spent all day on irc talking shit
2017-06-06T08:43:02 < crt> Technician
2017-06-06T08:43:42 < crt> Then I started my own company
2017-06-06T08:44:35 < crt> Yes
2017-06-06T08:45:02 < crt> They're so fucking boring
2017-06-06T08:46:42 < crt> What is the time in R2land
2017-06-06T08:47:42 < crt> 0647 here
2017-06-06T08:47:52 < crt> I'm in blaxterland
2017-06-06T08:48:09 < crt> My brain clock hasn't adjusted
2017-06-06T08:48:16 < crt> I'm on a secret mission
2017-06-06T08:48:37 < crt> Going to get Assange out of the embassy using chicken tenders
2017-06-06T08:49:02 < crt> Nah training to service a brand
2017-06-06T08:49:22 < crt> No
2017-06-06T08:49:30 < crt> Whole trip is paid
2017-06-06T08:49:55 < crt> Yes
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2017-06-06T08:50:15 < crt> Ah
2017-06-06T08:51:16 < crt> Reminds me of a trolling video
2017-06-06T08:53:03 < crt> The British people like beer
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2017-06-06T08:54:12 < crt> Hahahaha
2017-06-06T08:54:45 < crt> Glad I'm not staying long time
2017-06-06T08:55:05 < upgrdman> i forget, is it the brits or aussies that like warm beer
2017-06-06T08:55:21 < upgrdman> exactly
2017-06-06T08:55:25 < crt> Brits do warm beer
2017-06-06T08:55:46 < upgrdman> those fucks
2017-06-06T08:55:46 < crt> It's like pumped with a hand cranked beer tap
2017-06-06T08:56:06 < crt> I've been drinking 1664 here
2017-06-06T08:56:12 < crt> It's a cold beer
2017-06-06T08:58:52 < crt> Blaxter likes warm beer and tendies
2017-06-06T08:59:47 < crt> Gets on it and trolls 8ch erry night
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2017-06-06T09:03:58 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-06T09:04:21 < ohsix> crt: who's blaxter
2017-06-06T09:04:59 < crt> The dogs
2017-06-06T09:06:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: are you at wwdc? why
2017-06-06T09:08:58 < ohsix> crt: why are you in europe?
2017-06-06T09:10:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, not at. watched.
2017-06-06T09:11:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, i find the apple shows kinda interesting. sometimes for the lulz when they finally catch up to android but market it as innovation. sometimes for the interesting tech. but i dont have any plans to buy apple stuff any time soon
2017-06-06T09:12:15 < crt> o6: me and Laurenceb are going to lure Assange out of the embassy with a tendies trap
2017-06-06T09:12:27 < crt> Thought I said this already
2017-06-06T09:13:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: ah, it's been a long time since i've cared, but when i did, same
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2017-06-06T09:13:57 < ohsix> crt: well, i don't know when to believe you,  but nice; take pictures
2017-06-06T09:14:25 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/787981711422414848/NTbLpAA5.jpg
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2017-06-06T10:09:59 < dongs> sup doges
2017-06-06T10:10:15 < dongs> R2COM: via = mm. trace/space = mil
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2017-06-06T10:28:06 < dongs> not as fucked up as Mr. Tectu
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2017-06-06T10:57:55 < dongs> waht the hell is conductive foam that im supposed to use for capsense
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2017-06-06T11:05:07 < kakimir> esd foam?
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2017-06-06T11:08:37 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-06T11:08:40 < dongs> what is that
2017-06-06T11:09:55 < dongs> all esd-safe foam is conductive/
2017-06-06T11:10:35 < Tectu> no
2017-06-06T11:11:16 < Tectu> some are just designed not to generate static electricity, some are actually conductive. same with the bags: there are the shielded ones that are conductive and the non-shielded ones that just don´t build up static electricity if rubbing them on each other
2017-06-06T11:20:06 < dongs> k. nope
2017-06-06T11:20:12 < dongs> i was hoping the mouser black box foam is conductive
2017-06-06T11:20:13 < dongs> its not
2017-06-06T11:29:36 < dongs> heh
2017-06-06T11:29:55 < dongs> so dickstarter fag went to a very well known fan/motor making company yesterday
2017-06-06T11:30:05 < dongs> they ship literally millions of this brushless fan control pcb
2017-06-06T11:30:13 < dongs> and they swore there was no problems with it
2017-06-06T11:30:26 < dongs> but, there is one
2017-06-06T11:30:36 < dongs> if you set it some PWM to start spinning
2017-06-06T11:30:41 < dongs> then set pwm to zero (stop)
2017-06-06T11:30:49 < dongs> and then restart again (while its still spinning_
2017-06-06T11:31:05 < dongs> it doesn't detect that its already spinning and tries to do a softstart
2017-06-06T11:31:32 < dongs> which ends up doing something similar to braking/someshit, and the coils/magnets end up making voltage higher than the hbridge mosfets are rated for
2017-06-06T11:31:38 < zyp> haha
2017-06-06T11:31:40 < zyp> awesome
2017-06-06T11:31:41 < dongs> smoking the board
2017-06-06T11:31:42 < dongs> ya
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2017-06-06T12:18:06 < Chris_M> hey zyp, which diode did you pick to prevent the supercap from discharging?
2017-06-06T12:18:33 < zyp> BAT5x IIRC
2017-06-06T12:18:55 < Chris_M> nice, thanks
2017-06-06T12:20:19 < zyp> looks like it'll have a reverse leakage on the order of 0.4uA or so
2017-06-06T12:20:25 < zyp> BAT54
2017-06-06T12:20:59 < zyp> considering the vbat draw is in the order of microamps, that might be significant-ish
2017-06-06T12:21:08 < zyp> maybe you'll want to find something better
2017-06-06T12:21:12 < ohsix> daaang that 144&433 mhz whip antenna i bought is great
2017-06-06T12:21:34 < zyp> ohsix, which?
2017-06-06T12:22:27 < Chris_M> zyp, noted
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2017-06-06T12:23:10 < ohsix> zyp: says nagoya antenna on the orange package it came in, let me find listing
2017-06-06T12:24:09 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Arrival-For-Nagoya-NA771-SMA-F-Handheld-Dual-Band-Antenna-144-430MHZ-Two-Way/32643447050.html
2017-06-06T12:24:44 < ohsix> 'only' took 21 days to get here too
2017-06-06T12:25:07 < ohsix> need to get some angle iron or some thing to hold onto antennas
2017-06-06T12:25:13 < zyp> Chris_M, I see there's stuff like BAS116 with reverse leakage specced in nanoamps, but it has a lot higher forward voltage drop
2017-06-06T12:25:19 < zyp> which will limit max charge
2017-06-06T12:25:35 < Chris_M> ya, was just looking at bas416 actually
2017-06-06T12:30:06 < zyp> hmm, apparently this is a common problem
2017-06-06T12:30:35 < zyp> schottkys have a low forward drop but a higher reverse leakage, so it's a tradeoff
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2017-06-06T12:55:39 < dongs> pro chats and then suddenly, amp!six
2017-06-06T12:56:17 < dongs> time to get out of office
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2017-06-06T13:05:54 < karlp> crt goes to the land of camra, buys french lager instead... *sadface*
2017-06-06T13:09:53 < zyp> haha
2017-06-06T13:10:05 < zyp> ohsix, ah, one of my friends got the same one
2017-06-06T13:10:15 < karlp> you're a disgrace to your people crt!
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2017-06-06T15:20:00 < qyx_> anyone tried a SDXC card with stm32?
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2017-06-06T15:35:58 < dongs> so fags finally have a way to pay each other
2017-06-06T15:36:03 < dongs> securely
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2017-06-06T16:22:01 < karlp> zyp: is there any less clumsy way of doing this? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/Qphy~oQd7JCjjh3o6M9sR15M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
2017-06-06T16:22:59 < karlp> putting BLAH = os.environ["ENV_OVERRIDE"] or os.environ.get("ENV_OVERRIDE", None) results in either key error or considers the "None" to be set, and so the setDefault fails.
2017-06-06T16:25:48 < Thorn> I didn't get what you're tryng to do but try: except KeyError: is probably the answer lol
2017-06-06T16:26:18 < karlp> yeah, that's vile.
2017-06-06T16:26:49 < zyp> I'm in a skype meeting now, I'll take a look after
2017-06-06T16:29:50 < karlp> this is better, and will probably suffice.  feels a little clunky though. https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/EvBvFFuyAZTp~K6gkMSnf15M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
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2017-06-06T16:30:17 < karlp> env.SetDefault() seems really awkward to use really.
2017-06-06T16:31:46 < zyp> you can use x in y rather than y.has_key(x)
2017-06-06T16:33:47 < karlp> sure, but it's the SetDefault that isn't being very useful.
2017-06-06T16:35:01 < zyp> I think SetDefault is intended for hierarchical setups, where a child might define something unless the parent has already overridden it
2017-06-06T16:35:17 < karlp> I guess so.
2017-06-06T16:36:48 < zyp> what's your use case?
2017-06-06T16:40:13 < zyp> http://scons.org/doc/production/HTML/scons-user/ch10s02.html <- something like this, perhaps?
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2017-06-06T16:56:00 < karlp> pretty much, but looks just as cumbersome to use in practice
2017-06-06T16:56:32 < karlp> though the 10.2.1 style looks a bit better further down that page.
2017-06-06T16:56:56 < zyp> I think the point is that it also generates --help text
2017-06-06T16:57:05 < karlp> yeah
2017-06-06T17:07:53 < karlp> heh, PathVariable needs a _real_ filename, can't use a glob...
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2017-06-06T17:34:51 < englishman> share your good purchasing experience with ALLPCB.com on famous electronic forums ( like eevblog.com; diyaudio.com,... )or social network site ( like Twitter, Google+,Facebook,Youtube,...etc)
2017-06-06T17:34:53 < englishman> yeah sure
2017-06-06T17:35:00 < englishman> thanks for jewing me around on your stencils
2017-06-06T17:35:21 < Steffanx> To jew or not to jew.
2017-06-06T17:35:46 < Rob235> good morning
2017-06-06T17:36:51 < Steffanx> Hello mr Rob235
2017-06-06T17:36:57 < Steffanx> Are you sober?
2017-06-06T17:37:20 < Rob235> I just woke up, I hope so
2017-06-06T17:37:38 < Steffanx> Good :P
2017-06-06T17:39:31 < englishman> another fine day at virtual school
2017-06-06T17:39:43 < Rob235> yup, lots of reading to do
2017-06-06T17:42:36 < Steffanx> Its 10.42.. just woke up :P
2017-06-06T17:43:19 < Rob235> :) I woke up at 9 and was still tired so I was laying in bed and fell back asleep
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2017-06-06T18:02:52 < jadew> RoHS is mandatory, isn't it?
2017-06-06T18:03:39 < jadew> like... if I don't use lead-free stuff, I get in trouble, correct?
2017-06-06T18:04:06 < Rob235> if you are making something for kids, use all the lead you want
2017-06-06T18:04:26 < Laurenceb_> NSA leaker Reality Winner
2017-06-06T18:04:28 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-06-06T18:06:57 < englishman> RoHS is mandatory if you want to retain respected chatter status
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2017-06-06T18:07:13 < Rob235> bahh why do they have to wait 30-45 days to send out financial aid refund checks, I needs me money now
2017-06-06T18:08:09 < Steffanx> Spend your free money more wisely.
2017-06-06T18:08:31 < Rob235> its going to my credit card and bills
2017-06-06T18:08:37 < Steffanx> Fuck RoHS
2017-06-06T18:08:49 < Rob235> and its not free money, i gotta pay it back
2017-06-06T18:09:10 < Rob235> I used up all my free money at rutgers
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2017-06-06T18:09:28 < Rob235> oh you arent american, at real uni
2017-06-06T18:09:50 < Steffanx> Im no yankee no
2017-06-06T18:09:59 < englishman> same! o/
2017-06-06T18:10:39 < englishman> ew wait dont touch me with your leaded hands o|
2017-06-06T18:10:39 < Rob235> my school is popular enough that I think most people in the US have heard of it, but other than that, no way
2017-06-06T18:10:51 < Rob235> my old school that is
2017-06-06T18:11:47 < Rob235> my current school is trash
2017-06-06T18:13:01 < Rob235> Steffanx: did you see my link yesterday about the idiot that is in my AI class and doesnt know what AI is?
2017-06-06T18:13:39 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/hWyAYk7
2017-06-06T18:14:23 < Rob235> if he thinks artificial intelligence is something that will help running for public office he must be a trump supporter and thought it was about 'alternative facts'
2017-06-06T18:17:26 < Thorn> that is not his real name, is it
2017-06-06T18:17:33 < Rob235> must be
2017-06-06T18:17:44 < Rob235> you cant change what it shows
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2017-06-06T18:39:14 < englishman> jesus fuck this pro taiwan assembly company is 100% incompetent
2017-06-06T18:39:23 < englishman> they cannot even import drill files
2017-06-06T18:39:59 < englishman> and they start a new email thread for every reply
2017-06-06T18:40:00 < englishman> wtf
2017-06-06T18:41:53 < englishman> or shit like
2017-06-06T18:42:01 < englishman> asking for XY data the day assembly starts
2017-06-06T18:42:04 < englishman> marked [URGENT]
2017-06-06T18:42:14 < englishman> when i sent them all the files they requested 2+ weeks ago
2017-06-06T18:42:24 < englishman> so, my fault they forgot to ask for dicknplace data
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2017-06-06T18:59:11 < willmore> dicknplace?
2017-06-06T19:00:27 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/LRhsRxVs
2017-06-06T19:00:31 < Laurenceb_> dicknpaste
2017-06-06T19:01:35 < Thorn> Laurenceb_ is that your essay
2017-06-06T19:01:54 < Laurenceb_> 4chan copypaste
2017-06-06T19:02:46 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp4SH3bBglI
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2017-06-06T19:27:57 < Steffanx> Lol Rob235
2017-06-06T19:30:59 < Rob235> what, the AI guy?
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2017-06-06T19:49:25 < Steffanx> ya
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2017-06-06T19:57:00 < invzim> how do you verify that production line outputs something working?  Have them run one piece and have them do a test before 'pushing the real button'?
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2017-06-06T19:59:22 < qyx> there are end-of-line functional testers
2017-06-06T19:59:31 < qyx> either automated or man-operated
2017-06-06T20:03:45 < crt> Piss bucket
2017-06-06T20:05:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdSTH6ZHoc]
2017-06-06T20:05:29 < Laurenceb_> crt comes to UK, pisses in a bucket
2017-06-06T20:05:42 < crt> Hah
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2017-06-06T20:05:55 < crt> Correct son
2017-06-06T20:06:24 < crt> This is my skill mate
2017-06-06T20:08:04 < englishman> invzim: hire a DFM department?
2017-06-06T20:08:35 < crt> Sup englishcats
2017-06-06T20:09:11 < jpa-> invzim: well, usually more than one, but test runs are common
2017-06-06T20:14:40 < invzim> when I got something I'm happy with, I'm going to hand assemble a few to send out to testers/reviewers
2017-06-06T20:15:21 < crt> What are you making
2017-06-06T20:15:45 < invzim> but I'm not quite sure what it will take for me to be confident to 'push the button' on say a 100, I know it's riddic small, but expensive BOM
2017-06-06T20:16:04 < invzim> 'retro-computing/arcade' rgb upscaler
2017-06-06T20:16:24 < crt> Another one ey
2017-06-06T20:17:00 < invzim> Been toying with it forever
2017-06-06T20:17:29 < invzim> there are not many great alternatives, especially not for arcade pcb's
2017-06-06T20:22:31 < englishman> crt: lildongs is on spider patrol
2017-06-06T20:22:33 < englishman> none shall pass
2017-06-06T20:23:11 < englishman> invzim: maybe hire a pro irc dicknplacer
2017-06-06T20:23:27 < englishman> hiring white people ensures your product is not fucked up on delivery (mostly)
2017-06-06T20:24:29 < englishman> otherwise, you go thru your different test phases
2017-06-06T20:24:37 < englishman> EVT/DVT/PVT etc
2017-06-06T20:24:42 < invzim> I'be been using pcbcart 5 times or so and been very happy with it, but that was just a small MCU thingie
2017-06-06T20:24:49 < englishman> when hiring chinese you do a lot of PVT
2017-06-06T20:25:05 < invzim> PVT?  product verification testing?
2017-06-06T20:25:14 < Laurenceb_> will flipped normals on an stl file cause issues?
2017-06-06T20:25:54 < englishman> production
2017-06-06T20:30:25 < englishman> Laurenceb_ quality http://i.imgur.com/q2fjXHk.jpg
2017-06-06T20:31:22 < Laurenceb_> Zyklon Ben
2017-06-06T20:32:34 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Ben_Garrison
2017-06-06T20:32:52 < englishman> the guy is a machine
2017-06-06T20:34:50 < Laurenceb_>  > others say he's the bastard son of Hitler himself, reincarnated with a vengeance.
2017-06-06T20:36:05 < Laurenceb_>  > Ben is a fugitive from the law and rated number one on the FBI most wanted list as well as having bounties of up to $6 trillion from multiple Jewish organizations for his death
2017-06-06T20:44:50 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/tp5LMk9r
2017-06-06T20:44:55 < Laurenceb_> Iliekdis
2017-06-06T20:45:59 < Thorn> so I ordered an assortment of these "correction capacitors"
2017-06-06T20:47:16 < Thorn> could "correction" mean self healing?
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2017-06-06T20:49:08 < Thorn> they looks like MKM caps in these pictures http://klinikrobot.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/MKM_Film_Capacit_550d69a05ccb2.jpg
2017-06-06T21:10:35 < Rob235> fuck, I just kicked my drone and possibly broke the disco board :P
2017-06-06T21:14:01 < Rob235> I dont have money for this crap
2017-06-06T21:14:03 < Rob235> please still work
2017-06-06T21:16:45 < Rob235> sweet, still works, just knocked the headphone jack off
2017-06-06T21:16:50 < Rob235> or power jack? what is that
2017-06-06T21:17:19 < Rob235> headphone id guess
2017-06-06T21:17:44 < Rob235> gosh its fun talking to myself
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2017-06-06T22:33:46 < crt> Retroniggers
2017-06-06T22:36:58 < crt> Pls
2017-06-06T22:40:43 < Rob235> bitch pls
2017-06-06T22:40:57 < zyp> sup?
2017-06-06T22:41:04 < zyp> crt, did you find Laurenceb_ yet?
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2017-06-06T22:44:48 < Laurenceb_> http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1555412015622345
2017-06-06T22:45:02 < Laurenceb_> WHY CAN'T I GET THROUGH PEER REVIEW
2017-06-06T22:45:35 < gnom> hi all , how to use this display, exist library ready ? https://aliexpress.com/item/2-0-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen-Breakout-Board-W-Touch-Pen-For-Arduino-RED/32795754130.html
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2017-06-06T22:50:24 < Steffanx> im sure ugfx can do it gnom+
2017-06-06T22:50:41 < gnom> ok thanks
2017-06-06T22:50:59 < gnom> https://community.ugfx.io ?
2017-06-06T22:51:05 < Laurenceb_> found crt on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5xt5Upf5ks
2017-06-06T22:51:24 < Steffanx> hmm, controller is not listed gnom, but i would be surprised if it cannot do it
2017-06-06T22:52:27 < Steffanx> hahahaha Laurenceb_ and your peer review crap :D
2017-06-06T22:52:35 < Steffanx> more like: muhahaha
2017-06-06T22:54:14 < Steffanx> What did you do with the mhz thing Laurenceb_. Actually complained about it, or did you give up?
2017-06-06T22:54:32 < Laurenceb_> there is no option to complain
2017-06-06T22:54:39 < Laurenceb_> I got rejected :(
2017-06-06T22:54:56 < Steffanx> Cant you reject a review?
2017-06-06T22:55:02 < Laurenceb_> I need to submit somewhere else...
2017-06-06T22:55:03 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-06-06T22:55:18 < Laurenceb_> need to get a statistician onboard before that tho
2017-06-06T22:55:19 < Steffanx> I mean... from what you told the review didnt have a clue
2017-06-06T22:55:28 < Steffanx> *reviewer
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2017-06-06T22:55:30 < Laurenceb_> cuz they wanted p values for my data
2017-06-06T22:55:39 < Laurenceb_> well some of their points were sane
2017-06-06T22:55:48 < Steffanx> Just drop some data in R and calculate your p values
2017-06-06T22:55:50 < Laurenceb_> just very hard to address - like p values
2017-06-06T22:55:53 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-06-06T22:56:02 < Steffanx> That's how statistics works right?
2017-06-06T22:56:09 < Laurenceb_> this is why there is a replication crisis
2017-06-06T22:56:46 < Thorn> Laurenceb_ try submitting to 4chan
2017-06-06T22:56:50 < Laurenceb_> need an accurate statistical model  first
2017-06-06T22:56:53 < Laurenceb_> good idea
2017-06-06T22:57:04 < Laurenceb_> journal of internet trolling
2017-06-06T22:58:54 < Steffanx> just quote me and it will be accepted
2017-06-06T22:58:54 < Laurenceb_> Standpoint epistemologists like Harding (2004) argue that feminist science should begin by taking everyday life as problematic
2017-06-06T22:59:03 < Laurenceb_>  > problematic
2017-06-06T22:59:29 < Laurenceb_> I need to add that word in, then instant victory
2017-06-06T22:59:34 < Steffanx> Maybe you have to research the effect of pumpers on IRC
2017-06-06T22:59:42 < Steffanx> and their fellow ircers
2017-06-06T22:59:56 < Steffanx> you can interview crt
2017-06-06T23:00:09 < Steffanx> and ReadError
2017-06-06T23:01:10 < Laurenceb_> apparently epistemological questions about the production of glaciological knowledge remain understudied
2017-06-06T23:01:20 < Steffanx> Oh noes.
2017-06-06T23:02:23 < Laurenceb_> But by merging feminist postcolonial science studies and feminist political ecology, the feminist glaciology framework will generate robust analysis of gender and power
2017-06-06T23:02:47 < Steffanx> epistemological makes me think of kripke models and that makes me cry.
2017-06-06T23:04:30 < Thorn> so you're ok with feminist
2017-06-06T23:04:43 < Laurenceb_>  glaciology often relies on remote sensing from satellite imagery, yet only a tiny subset of glacial sensing senses gender
2017-06-06T23:05:07 < Laurenceb_> > orbital gender sensor when
2017-06-06T23:07:26 < Laurenceb_> it is essential to restrict the feminist glaciology framework solely to young women. This excludes men pretending to be women and mothers.
2017-06-06T23:07:31 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-06-06T23:19:38 < invzim> anyone got a magic rule that makes altium connect pours to pads?
2017-06-06T23:23:49 < zyp> the «pour over all objects in same net» settings
2017-06-06T23:23:54 < zyp> you have it set to polygons only
2017-06-06T23:24:12 < zyp> it's a polygon parameter
2017-06-06T23:24:34 < upgrdman> in altium, if i have a project with multiple schematics and pcbs... when making a pcb, how do i import for just one schematic? design > import changes seems to only be project-wide?
2017-06-06T23:25:02 < zyp> I don't think you can have multiple pcbs in one project
2017-06-06T23:25:08 < zyp> at least not in a sane way
2017-06-06T23:25:18 < upgrdman> fuck
2017-06-06T23:25:19 < upgrdman> ok
2017-06-06T23:25:48 < invzim> I actuall have it set to 'pur over all same net objects'
2017-06-06T23:25:52 < Thorn> I tried that in dicktrace once. ended up with unconnected nets on one of the boards
2017-06-06T23:26:12 < zyp> invzim, and they are actually the same net?
2017-06-06T23:26:20  * invzim checks his head
2017-06-06T23:27:21 < invzim> yes
2017-06-06T23:28:58 < zyp> and they're still not connecting?
2017-06-06T23:29:20 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3Q2tnUVpfNWRhYVE/view
2017-06-06T23:29:25 < zyp> are you doing something silly like touching with only a corner, barely enough that it can't make thermals?
2017-06-06T23:29:54 < invzim> should be pretty straight forward
2017-06-06T23:31:05  * invzim tries to ditch the vias
2017-06-06T23:31:31 < invzim> yup, it's the relief stuff
2017-06-06T23:31:54 < zyp> turn of thermals on vias, that's pointless
2017-06-06T23:32:13 < zyp> the point of thermals is to make pads easier to solder, you're not soldering to vias
2017-06-06T23:32:40 < zyp> you need to do that by making a new PolygonConnect rule using the IsVia filter
2017-06-06T23:33:34 < zyp> or at least, that's how I do it
2017-06-06T23:34:21 < invzim> yup, that's better
2017-06-06T23:34:49 < zyp> beware that IsVia might apply to PTH pads too
2017-06-06T23:35:36 < invzim> only pth stuff is on edges away from pours
2017-06-06T23:35:38 < zyp> I think maybe that was changed in some version, when I originally made the rule in AD13 I had to make some extra filtering to make it only apply to actual vias
2017-06-06T23:36:25 < zyp> wat, you don't have ground pours all over the board?
2017-06-06T23:38:20 < invzim> plane actually, but yes - it does reliefs on those
2017-06-06T23:38:41 < zyp> oh, right
2017-06-06T23:38:54 < invzim> hm, guess that's a different rule
2017-06-06T23:38:59 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-06T23:39:16 < zyp> I tend to not use plane layers, I find them annoying to work with
2017-06-06T23:39:19 < invzim> so direct-connect on gnd vias ok too?
2017-06-06T23:39:25 < zyp> easier to just plop down a polygon on a normal layer
2017-06-06T23:39:37 < zyp> sure
2017-06-06T23:39:44 < invzim> for power I had to convert to signal instead of messing with the split stuff
2017-06-06T23:39:59 < zyp> yeah, exactly
2017-06-06T23:40:24 < zyp> and if you wanna do something like embed a layer number in each layer
2017-06-06T23:41:03 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/r1ChW.JPG <- like the upper right edge here
2017-06-06T23:41:05 < invzim> did it on gnd plane - pth parts still have reliefs
2017-06-06T23:41:18 < invzim> but man did it do wonders for the thermal on a qfp :)
2017-06-06T23:41:19 < zyp> I think I tried to use plane layers on that first
2017-06-06T23:41:27 < zyp> hehe
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2017-06-06T23:45:00 < invzim> yeah, that's what 'they' say - and also do the edge thingie, but that comes last-last :)
2017-06-06T23:45:28 < zyp> edge?
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2017-06-06T23:55:00 < invzim> yeah, having copper all the way to the edge on all layers, so you can inspect to see that they are in sequence
2017-06-06T23:55:15 < invzim> one place, for inspection
2017-06-06T23:56:34 < invzim> http://www.altium.com/blog/get-your-layer-stack-right-on-track-video-blog
2017-06-06T23:56:41 < zyp> you mean marking the outline on all layers?
2017-06-06T23:56:43 < zyp> or what?
2017-06-06T23:57:08 < invzim> about 2min in
2017-06-06T23:57:48 < zyp> uh, never done that
2017-06-06T23:58:36 < zyp> I don't put the layer count in always either, I like it mostly because it's cute
2017-06-06T23:58:59 < zyp> just keep the layer file endings standard and they'll get it right
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2017-06-07T00:12:45 < qyx> karlp: is this your original code? I found multiple similar versions without (c) but yours seems to be the oldest one (stm32f4-discovery/i2c-cs43l22/i2c-cs43l22.c
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2017-06-07T00:17:38 < ohsix>  rajkosto: the notes i thought i took were just a chat log, the punchline is that it was just -f stlink.cfg -c transport select hla_swd -f part.cfg :| thought it was something more interesting
2017-06-07T00:17:59 < ohsix> along the way i found out the many ways grep can fail!
2017-06-07T00:22:04 < Rob235> anyone know why two news sites share the same video/article? does one site focus on a certain category of news and one is general or something? like say motherboard and vice or mashable and the atlantic
2017-06-07T00:22:38 < ohsix> motherboard and vice are the same outlet
2017-06-07T00:22:52 < ohsix> other than that i don't know what you could say about the situation
2017-06-07T00:24:10 < Rob235> outlet?
2017-06-07T00:28:03 < Laurenceb_>  motherboard and vice or mashable and the atlantic
2017-06-07T00:28:07 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-06-07T00:28:20 < Laurenceb_> quality "news"
2017-06-07T00:28:32 < Rob235> haha I never said they were quality
2017-06-07T00:28:57 < Rob235> they have quality stuff occasionally though
2017-06-07T00:29:13 < Laurenceb_> page 8 will really surprise you
2017-06-07T00:31:14 < invzim> he, separating differne 3.3v rails look great on schematic, not so much when routing :)
2017-06-07T00:32:16 < Rob235> damn I didnt do any school shit today.  I gotta go read or something :(
2017-06-07T00:32:30 < Rob235> cant slack off on day 12
2017-06-07T00:32:31 < Rob235> 2
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2017-06-07T00:51:14 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2017-06-07T00:51:33 < kakimir> yet another 13hour workday
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2017-06-07T00:54:08 < Thorn> wtf my lab psu killed 5 leds that I've been testing using it
2017-06-07T00:54:18 < Thorn> complete with sparks and smoke
2017-06-07T00:55:42 < Thorn> current limit was set to 10ma
2017-06-07T00:59:02 < ohsix> Rob235: been watching American Gods?
2017-06-07T00:59:31 < kakimir> Thorn: did you connect them before or after turning on?
2017-06-07T01:00:13 < Rob235> no?
2017-06-07T01:00:46 < kakimir> turning on the output Thorn
2017-06-07T01:04:41 < ohsix> Rob235: du it
2017-06-07T01:05:05 < Rob235> this college was founded in 1860.  is that an empirical statement or a formal statement
2017-06-07T01:11:21 < Rob235> hmm first quiz done, I dont want to hit submit though
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2017-06-07T01:22:14 < Thorn> kakimir: it was on and I plugged the wire into the breadboard
2017-06-07T01:22:50 < kakimir> there you have your broblem
2017-06-07T01:23:19 < kakimir> cheaper bench supplies have some unlimited current capacitance there
2017-06-07T01:23:36 < kakimir> charged to whatever voltage it's set to
2017-06-07T01:23:51 < Rob235> american gods is on season 2? I never heard of it
2017-06-07T01:25:04 < Rob235> what channel is it on
2017-06-07T01:25:55 < Thorn> are expensive PSUs different?
2017-06-07T01:28:50 < kakimir> not sure
2017-06-07T01:28:54 < kakimir> destroyed my agilent
2017-06-07T01:29:12 < sync> Thorn: usually they have low output capacitance
2017-06-07T01:29:34 < kakimir> I didn't know the basics and charging a lipo was end of it
2017-06-07T01:29:47 < sync> just repair it
2017-06-07T01:29:49 < sync> they are simple
2017-06-07T01:29:58 < kakimir> I have it in pieces there
2017-06-07T01:30:15 < kakimir> I took one part off and it was okay
2017-06-07T01:30:55 < kakimir> thing that should clamp OV
2017-06-07T01:31:19 < Rob235> ohsix: beep
2017-06-07T01:31:27 < Thorn> your agilent died when charging a lipo?
2017-06-07T01:31:33 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-07T01:32:30 < kakimir> I still don't know how charging lipo destroyed some of it's logic power rails
2017-06-07T01:32:51 < sync> magic
2017-06-07T01:33:07 < sync> probably killed the output transistor and fed shit through the base
2017-06-07T01:33:20 < Thorn> weird, that's not a lot of load and no transients
2017-06-07T01:33:25 < kakimir> at least I was charging lipo and powercycled it and then display started fading and controls stopped working
2017-06-07T01:33:34 < kakimir> it functioned a while
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2017-06-07T01:33:40 < kakimir> few seconds
2017-06-07T01:33:57 < kakimir> sync: is it trash now?
2017-06-07T01:34:12 < sync> well currently it is
2017-06-07T01:34:15 < sync> so repair it
2017-06-07T01:34:34 < kakimir> I mean are there wide damage?
2017-06-07T01:34:40 < kakimir> possibly
2017-06-07T01:35:02 < sync> get the schematic and the repair manual and work through it
2017-06-07T01:35:25 < kakimir> I wont
2017-06-07T01:35:33 < kakimir> I did some basics
2017-06-07T01:35:47 < sync> pffft
2017-06-07T01:35:55 < sync> they are not that hard to repair
2017-06-07T01:36:24 < kakimir> I don't know how much time I want to put in it
2017-06-07T01:36:28 < kakimir> if any
2017-06-07T01:36:58 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNzY0Ty16bWRuR1U/view?usp=sharing I wanted to show you this sync
2017-06-07T01:39:06 < kakimir> at least if I repair it I need someone to hold my wee wee when I pee if you know what I mean sync
2017-06-07T01:39:57 < sync> yes, the manual
2017-06-07T01:40:02 < kakimir> I could do it myself but don't really have assurance
2017-06-07T01:41:16 < kakimir> isn't the power controls isolated somehow?
2017-06-07T01:41:42 < kakimir> power has it's own transformer coils and everything
2017-06-07T01:42:32 < sync> sure but it somehow has to feed the linear element
2017-06-07T01:42:39 < Thorn> if you don't want to repair it sell it to me
2017-06-07T01:43:00 < kakimir> Thorn: I may concider
2017-06-07T01:43:21 < sync> Thorn: what pos supply do you use that it blows up leds?
2017-06-07T01:43:35 < Thorn> korad
2017-06-07T01:43:51 < kakimir> how small leds you use it to blow up leds?
2017-06-07T01:44:09 < sync> oh the good old fail supply?
2017-06-07T01:44:11 < sync> yeah
2017-06-07T01:44:13 < sync> fuck that thing
2017-06-07T01:44:17 < Thorn> 3mm indicator leds
2017-06-07T01:44:31 < kakimir> wait that thing..
2017-06-07T01:44:39 < kakimir> I have destroyed stuff with that
2017-06-07T01:45:04 < kakimir> local hackerspace got a pile of them for free
2017-06-07T01:45:48 < sync> yeah they were cheap in .fi for a while
2017-06-07T01:45:55 < sync> and the rest of europe
2017-06-07T01:45:57 < kakimir> not totally sure if it was that thing
2017-06-07T01:46:05 < sync> they were thrown out of nokia
2017-06-07T01:46:21 < kakimir> but it did nasty nasty transitions
2017-06-07T01:46:22 < Thorn> http://www.leniwiec.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/main.jpg
2017-06-07T01:46:43 < kakimir> over 150% transitions compared to actual voltage
2017-06-07T01:46:52 < kakimir> some chinacheap it was
2017-06-07T01:47:50 < kakimir> peeps in hackerspace had no clue.. just keep replacing arduinos after 10uses
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2017-06-07T01:52:10 < kakimir> okay it wasn't korad but sommething with dual lcd segments like this https://i.stack.imgur.com/eDeIP.jpg
2017-06-07T01:53:09 < Thorn> that is the rock bottom of power supplies
2017-06-07T01:55:13 < kakimir> it does all the sins
2017-06-07T01:55:17 < sync> so is the korad, electrically
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2017-06-07T02:19:25 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/NlrYn_dZdqk?t=1m40s fresh pop musictimes.
2017-06-07T02:20:55 < kakimir> radio got my brain
2017-06-07T02:21:14 < kakimir> 12hours a day in a cabin
2017-06-07T02:25:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: have you been raving=
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2017-06-07T02:28:39 < jadew> fucking RoHS, I forgot to take that into account when I designed this thing and now my BOM price is getting out of hand
2017-06-07T02:28:53 < rajkosto> what do you have to design for RoHS
2017-06-07T02:28:57 < rajkosto> just use different solder :|
2017-06-07T02:29:14 < jadew> rajkosto, some parts I was relying on are not RoHS compliant
2017-06-07T02:29:54 < rajkosto> weird i thought everything was
2017-06-07T02:30:17 < ds2> did you design in a CdS sensor?
2017-06-07T02:30:18 < jadew> so did I
2017-06-07T02:30:23 < kakimir> rajkosto: no
2017-06-07T02:30:29 < ds2> or a mercury tilt switch? ;)
2017-06-07T02:31:02 < jadew> ds2, why, would that make it extempt?
2017-06-07T02:31:09 < ds2> :)
2017-06-07T02:31:16 < kakimir> you see Rohs cert icon in your component dealer page in most items but not in all
2017-06-07T02:31:51 < kakimir> there is more than mercury and lead to it
2017-06-07T02:33:50 < jadew> what a crappy regulation
2017-06-07T02:34:10 < kakimir> lead ban in soldering sucks hard
2017-06-07T02:34:14 < jadew> in the meantime people are buying non RoHS shit directly from china with out any problems
2017-06-07T02:34:18 < kakimir> they should revert it
2017-06-07T02:35:35 < kakimir> I shoot shotgun once and it's probs more than lead of my electronic appliances I buy in a year
2017-06-07T02:35:47 < kakimir> would be
2017-06-07T02:36:27 < jadew> from what I'm reading electronics account for less than 4% of the lead in landfills
2017-06-07T02:36:35 < kakimir> somebody throws a car battery in ditch and it's like you dumped 200 old PCs in ditch
2017-06-07T02:36:41 < jadew> yeah
2017-06-07T02:36:45 < kakimir> it's car batterys
2017-06-07T02:38:01 < jadew> what sucks even more is that I already have non RoHS parts for like 20 boards...
2017-06-07T02:38:16 < rajkosto> what offending part is this
2017-06-07T02:38:43 < jadew> a MMIC amplifier
2017-06-07T02:38:52 < jadew> it comes in two flavors
2017-06-07T02:39:02 < jadew> with a + at the end and without the +
2017-06-07T02:39:17 < jadew> I have the one without the +
2017-06-07T02:39:52 < jadew> + thi means that also the cables I ordered from china might not be compliant
2017-06-07T02:40:20 < sync> gg
2017-06-07T02:40:50 < jadew> ffs... no wonder china is winning in this field
2017-06-07T02:41:05 < jadew> there's no way to stay competitive from within the EU
2017-06-07T02:42:39 < kakimir> it's okay but the lead part of it
2017-06-07T02:45:00 < kakimir> cadium is toxic
2017-06-07T02:45:29 < kakimir> mercury.. what is excuse to have that in products in 2017
2017-06-07T02:47:04 < kakimir> and I think those flame retardants are those compounds that enter the food chain and never fanish
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2017-06-07T02:49:18 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-06-07T02:51:18 < hetii> I try push data from my local char array into spi via dma: https://pastebin.com/Ca2Dt3Z3 so I expect that code from line 144-159 will do job similar like spiTx()
2017-06-07T02:51:56 < Rob235> ohsix: did her pussy just eat that guy?
2017-06-07T02:52:44 < hetii> So do I need somehow configure spi to receive data from dma?
2017-06-07T02:53:34 < hetii> Rob235, i`m not sure if I should ask what you saw few moments ago :-)
2017-06-07T02:57:41 < englishman> Thorn: what was voltage set to?
2017-06-07T03:01:23 < kakimir> full ofc
2017-06-07T03:01:35 < kakimir> do you have nightless night englishman ?
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2017-06-07T03:04:21 < englishman> no kaks, im at like 47th parallel
2017-06-07T03:05:01 < jadew> so check this out, if I can't find the lead free version in china, that part will cost me 10 times more to get it from the manufacturer because they have crazy shipping prices
2017-06-07T03:05:55 < jadew> that doubles my BOM cost
2017-06-07T03:07:15 < aandrew> jadew: can't find what you want on something like octopart?
2017-06-07T03:07:22 < englishman> pick another part then
2017-06-07T03:07:34 < jadew> I'm about to look for another part, yeah
2017-06-07T03:08:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKb29OVWpmZVVQdW8/view?usp=sharing midnigth race to home from fields englishman
2017-06-07T03:08:38 < kakimir> literally recorded like 00:05
2017-06-07T03:08:42 < kakimir> AM
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2017-06-07T03:10:18 < kakimir> volume down
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2017-06-07T03:12:52 < kakimir> I really like that john deere specific model how fined tuned it is in terms of driving and everything to be precise
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2017-06-07T03:18:23 < jadew> hmm, electronic kits are extempt from RoHS compliance
2017-06-07T03:18:32 < jadew> now the question is, what constitues an electronic kit
2017-06-07T03:19:01 < jadew> my product requires some assembly (connecting a pigtail connector) and installing it inside another device
2017-06-07T03:19:04 < jadew> is that a kit?
2017-06-07T03:19:31 < jadew> it probably is
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2017-06-07T03:27:42 < kakimir> I bet you are not first one with this problem jadew
2017-06-07T03:28:00 < jadew> kakimir, yeah, trying to find answers now
2017-06-07T03:28:09 < jadew> if it would qualify as a kit, it would save me a lot of trouble
2017-06-07T03:30:00 < kakimir> I think it's a kit when you don't do manuf to it yourself but just pass the required parts as provided
2017-06-07T03:30:54 < jadew> yeah, I hope that's not the case
2017-06-07T03:31:22 < rajkosto>  just have them solder on a pin header
2017-06-07T03:31:25 < rajkosto> then its a kit
2017-06-07T03:31:29 < kakimir> preassembly all but the non-rohs part and then preassembly and the part or parts make a kit
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2017-06-07T03:32:18 < kakimir> I think it's the manuf where you can not non-rohs
2017-06-07T03:32:45 < rajkosto> so how come can you just import all the china crap in eu
2017-06-07T03:32:50 < rajkosto> its all non rohs
2017-06-07T03:33:00 < jadew> I'm wondering the same thing
2017-06-07T03:33:11 < rajkosto> if you have your pcb assembled in china is it then ok ?
2017-06-07T03:34:19 < kakimir> that is for sure it applies no matter where the manuf actually happens
2017-06-07T03:34:41 < kakimir> and I think you can even manuf non-rohs but you can not sell it
2017-06-07T03:34:46 < kakimir> in eu
2017-06-07T03:35:25 < kakimir> maybe even manuf non-rohs for export in eu
2017-06-07T03:37:08 < kakimir> you can import china crap because inspection institution wont have endless resources to go thru trash
2017-06-07T03:37:52 < jadew> but doesn't that defeat the purpose?
2017-06-07T03:38:22 < jadew> it just puts you at risk, as a manufacturer in the EU, if you don't comply or it makes it harder for you to manufacture something
2017-06-07T03:43:55 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/3zw5qw.jpg
2017-06-07T03:44:34 < kakimir> sweet Laurenceb_
2017-06-07T03:46:02 < kakimir> tell me what "sweet prince" reffers to?
2017-06-07T03:49:54 < kakimir> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goodnight%2C%20sweet%20prince
2017-06-07T03:52:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: sleep
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2017-06-07T04:00:41 < ds2> so that means you can give away all the non RoHS stuff?
2017-06-07T04:02:08 < jadew> well, I can still use them for experiments
2017-06-07T04:05:15 < jadew> I wonder what happens if I buy something from china and the guy says it's RoHS and all I have is his word
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2017-06-07T04:29:53 < jadew> I found the Romanian laws regarding RoHS compliance
2017-06-07T04:31:24 < jadew> it says that non-conformity can be punished with a contravention
2017-06-07T04:31:34 < jadew> but I didn't find anything related to what that contravention might be
2017-06-07T04:34:53 < aandrew> jadew: if this is for a real project that you intend to sell, don't fuck around with back of truck vendors
2017-06-07T04:35:06 < aandrew> use a differnt part that you can actually prove you did your due diligence
2017-06-07T04:35:42 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, I guess you're right, but it screwes up my margin a lot
2017-06-07T04:36:03 < aandrew> how bad does your margin get fucked if you get slapped with a fine and/or an order to discontinue sales?
2017-06-07T04:36:30 < jadew> good point
2017-06-07T04:36:43 < jadew> I'm pissed off tho, it seems I just lost a lot of money
2017-06-07T04:36:56 < jadew> (because I can't use the parts I already have)
2017-06-07T04:44:29 < ds2> Petition for Rome-xit?
2017-06-07T04:44:54 < jadew> heh
2017-06-07T04:48:06 < aandrew> jadew: sucks for sure
2017-06-07T04:53:33 < upgrdman> these days this might become common  http://i.imgur.com/9rafeLx.png
2017-06-07T04:54:30 < aandrew> haha
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2017-06-07T04:55:02 < rajkosto> upgrdman, https://images.sshnuke.net/strong%20features.gif ?
2017-06-07T04:55:22 < upgrdman> squishy
2017-06-07T04:55:37 < jadew> but strong
2017-06-07T04:56:54 < rajkosto> https://pics.me.me/teepublic-a-o-browse-apparel-wall-art-cases-mugs-notebooks-8265231.png (its still like that https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/225766-genderfluid-pride-dragon)
2017-06-07T04:59:59 < jadew> isn't gender fluid the same thing as bisexual?
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2017-06-07T05:00:53 < rajkosto> they define different things
2017-06-07T05:01:08 < rajkosto> they think "gender" is how you act not who you bone
2017-06-07T05:01:23 < jadew> that makes no sense
2017-06-07T05:01:27 < rajkosto> (they will say theyre a girl one day and a boy another)
2017-06-07T05:02:17 < jadew> I'd like to see them grow a dick
2017-06-07T05:02:36 < rajkosto> apparently thats "biological sex" not "gender"
2017-06-07T05:03:34 < jadew> I guess that's how it feels to get old
2017-06-07T05:03:39 < jadew> the world around you stops making sense
2017-06-07T05:05:08 < jadew> I forsee a future when a guy would go to get a hooker and it will be illegal for him to know beforehand if he's paying a woman or a man
2017-06-07T05:05:14 < aandrew> jadew: I'm not so sure
2017-06-07T05:05:59 < jadew> aandrew, don't know, I assume it's just going to get worse
2017-06-07T05:06:10 < aandrew> I'm 41, but while I might have been slightly more tolerant of bullshit when I was 19, I was certianly not entertaining any ideas of gender fluidity or all the idiotic anti-man shit
2017-06-07T05:06:15 < jadew> and that's just one thing, who knows what kind of stupid shit will become a thing 10 years from now
2017-06-07T05:06:42 < aandrew> I fear for my boys
2017-06-07T05:07:21 < jadew> I'm trying to raise mine with a no-bullshit mentality
2017-06-07T05:07:33 < aandrew> all I can do is to try to teach them to ignore bullshit, not get drawn into idiotic arguments/discussions and to be able to support themselves so they don't have to work for big companies/cities where this shit seems more prevalent
2017-06-07T05:08:49 < aandrew> so I got a big trench in my backyard now
2017-06-07T05:09:02 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/XFgEU
2017-06-07T05:09:04 < rajkosto> for burying the bodies of all the heretics ?
2017-06-07T05:09:18 < aandrew> putting a patio in and unfortunately the downspout currently runs over where the walkway will go
2017-06-07T05:09:25 < jadew> man... that's a nice backyard
2017-06-07T05:09:52 < aandrew> so I have to put a drainage pipe in so the downspout can drain "under" the patio and down the hill
2017-06-07T05:11:11 < aandrew> thanks, yes, the property is .9ac (0.36 hectare)
2017-06-07T05:11:36 < aandrew> but the backyard backs on to a protected greenspace so it appears much larger than it is since nobody will build behind me
2017-06-07T05:12:10 < aandrew> got a guy I know to bring his backhoe and he dug a nice 18" deep trench
2017-06-07T05:12:18 < aandrew> problem is I'll ahve to fill it in by hand :-/
2017-06-07T05:12:26 < aandrew> still, way way way way way better than digging it by hand
2017-06-07T05:12:59 < dongs> sup doges
2017-06-07T05:13:07 < aandrew> word
2017-06-07T05:13:27 < dongs> aandrew: went to that shit market to buy some copper tape yesterday
2017-06-07T05:13:39 < dongs> man that place is just as shit as it was like 8y ago when i last went there
2017-06-07T05:14:29 < aandrew> oh yeah
2017-06-07T05:14:33 < aandrew> so why' dyou go there
2017-06-07T05:14:39 < aandrew> aren't there better places in japland
2017-06-07T05:14:44 < aandrew> or were you ike in taipei
2017-06-07T05:15:34 < dongs> taipei
2017-06-07T05:15:37 < aandrew> gotcha
2017-06-07T05:16:06 < aandrew> what were you doing there? you wouldn't have flown to taipei only to go to a shit market
2017-06-07T05:16:40 < dongs> lewl
2017-06-07T05:16:44 < dongs> yeah, its the dickstarter thing
2017-06-07T05:16:48 < dongs> so they're flying me over here
2017-06-07T05:17:23 < aandrew> oh? you're the hw guy behind a kickstarter? I didn't hear about this (or have more likely forgotten)
2017-06-07T05:17:54 < aandrew> jadew: that's the rest of the backyard: http://imgur.com/a/pVkGE
2017-06-07T05:17:58 < dongs> yeah unfailing months and months of failure by people who thought arduino was a good idea
2017-06-07T05:18:12 < jadew> aandrew, wow, that's really nice
2017-06-07T05:18:18 < dongs> thats almost as big as mine
2017-06-07T05:18:28 < dongs> my trampouline is bigger too
2017-06-07T05:18:59 < dongs> aandrew: is that gym thing from costco
2017-06-07T05:19:16 < aandrew> dongs: nah, that's actually a fucking expensive real wood thing
2017-06-07T05:19:31 < dongs> yes, https://www.costco.com/Kids'-Creations-Windjammer-Redwood-Playset---Do-It-Yourself-or-Installed.product.100026575.html
2017-06-07T05:19:39 < dongs> but they do sell those 'real expensive' shits exactly
2017-06-07T05:19:46 < dongs> anyway, i saw ~simmilae in jp costco
2017-06-07T05:20:33 < aandrew> that's 27x16, mine's something like 35x20 I think
2017-06-07T05:20:47 < aandrew> and that's not expensive. I'd be happy to pay $3k on a playset
2017-06-07T05:20:54 < dongs> huhu
2017-06-07T05:21:06 < aandrew> I do have a timelapse of them building it though
2017-06-07T05:21:17 < aandrew> or rather I have the footage of them building, gotta make it timelapse
2017-06-07T05:21:22 < aandrew> and add benny hill music
2017-06-07T05:21:48 < aandrew> ugh time to clean the fucking spider web off the front webcam again
2017-06-07T05:21:58 < aandrew> I gotta buy some tung oil, apparently insects hate that shit
2017-06-07T05:23:40 < aandrew> http://rainbowplayofnc.com/clubhouse/40b-kingdom-design-3/
2017-06-07T05:23:42 < aandrew> that's the one I have
2017-06-07T05:23:52 < aandrew> 25x20 apparently
2017-06-07T05:24:01 < dongs> nice
2017-06-07T05:24:11 < dongs> fucking yank measurements
2017-06-07T05:24:17 < aandrew> it's fucking solid though
2017-06-07T05:24:30 < aandrew> and the price included their assembling which was an all day process for three guys
2017-06-07T05:24:45 < aandrew> while I sat on my ass and made 10x their rate
2017-06-07T05:24:48 < aandrew> yay capitalism
2017-06-07T05:24:50 < dongs> hhuaehuaehauehauehau
2017-06-07T05:25:48 < aandrew> so what's the kickstarter you're unfucking?
2017-06-07T05:26:01 < dongs> not gonna mention it in here
2017-06-07T05:26:07 < dongs> lets just say its quite well fucked
2017-06-07T05:26:11 < aandrew> heh
2017-06-07T05:26:14 < aandrew> np
2017-06-07T05:29:43 < Cerpin> Doing some reading on timers, and I don't quite understand this line on TIM2 to TIM5's downcounting mode: "However, the counter restarts from the current auto-reload value, whereas the counter of the prescaler restarts from 0 (but the prescale rate doesn't change)"
2017-06-07T05:29:46 < rajkosto> what you guys think about crowdsupply instead of kickstarter for assembled pcbs
2017-06-07T05:30:16 < Cerpin> "the counter of the prescaler" is something I haven't seen referenced at any prior point in the chapter
2017-06-07T05:31:03 < dongs> uh. counter of prescaler what
2017-06-07T05:31:20 < dongs> fucking french translated reference manuals
2017-06-07T05:31:32 < Cerpin> It's from DM00031020 page 594
2017-06-07T05:31:40 < dongs> downcounter mode is just literally like any other mode but CNT goes from ARR to zero and resets back to ARR
2017-06-07T05:31:54 < Cerpin> Yeah that's what I thought until that line :D
2017-06-07T05:31:58 < Cerpin> Thanks
2017-06-07T05:32:47 < dongs> how recent is your DM00031020
2017-06-07T05:32:55 < Cerpin> Uh I downloaded it last week I believe
2017-06-07T05:32:58 < Cerpin> Off ST's webiste
2017-06-07T05:33:04 < dongs> looks like mine needs updating.
2017-06-07T05:33:04 < Cerpin> website, argh
2017-06-07T05:33:06 < dongs> im on rev13
2017-06-07T05:33:16 < dongs> ya 14 is out
2017-06-07T05:34:57 < dongs> ya man no idea
2017-06-07T05:35:00 < dongs> thats weird as shit.
2017-06-07T05:35:14 < Cerpin> Indeed it is, maybe some internal detail that doesn't affect anything?'
2017-06-07T05:35:18 < Cerpin> I'll carry on
2017-06-07T05:35:24 < dongs> yeah, i wouldnt worry about it
2017-06-07T05:35:27 < dongs> or just retarded translation
2017-06-07T05:36:05 < dongs> the 'counter of the prescaler' is in other places as well
2017-06-07T05:36:47 < Cerpin> Yeah, I see it now
2017-06-07T05:37:00 < dongs> maybe it refers to CK_PSC
2017-06-07T05:37:10 < dongs> which is its internal clock after prescaler
2017-06-07T05:37:11 < dongs> no idea tho
2017-06-07T05:39:11 < aandrew> so I believe I have maximized data transfer rate on gazell
2017-06-07T05:39:47 < aandrew> with a 2mbit wireline speed your maximum fucking payload speed is 200kbit (100 down, 100 up)
2017-06-07T05:39:58 < aandrew> that's using their recommended 600us timeslot*2
2017-06-07T05:40:16 < dongs> norgesemi
2017-06-07T05:40:41 < aandrew> with two devices and one host it's 50/50 for each link. channel hopping doesn't seem to impact it at all
2017-06-07T05:41:19 < aandrew> and using 3 retries I have a 0.6% error (failed to see ACK) rate. with 6 retries it drops to 0.05%
2017-06-07T05:41:52 < aandrew> the vast, vast majority of packets get acked without any retransmits though
2017-06-07T05:44:28 < Rob235> I must not jerk off enough, my wrists hurt from doing push ups
2017-06-07T05:44:43 < aandrew> this is at ~1m with the stupid dongles and patch antennas
2017-06-07T05:44:49 < aandrew> er not patch, pcb trace
2017-06-07T05:45:21 < aandrew> there's a rigado module another guy's using about 5m away and my tests suddenly started looking like shit until I realized he's using my code
2017-06-07T05:45:37 < aandrew> so I was picking his stuff up (~-80dBm RSSI)
2017-06-07T05:45:43 < dongs> heh
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2017-06-07T06:12:47 < jadew> lol, I asked someone from aliexpress if their stuff is lead free and this is what I got in reply:
2017-06-07T06:12:57 < jadew> "I have already arranged processing please give me some time!
2017-06-07T06:12:57 < jadew> Also please don't worry!Well, I'll solve!
2017-06-07T06:12:57 < jadew> Hello, please be patient, my friend."
2017-06-07T06:13:27 < aandrew> so be patient
2017-06-07T06:13:29 < aandrew> he asked you so nicely
2017-06-07T06:13:44 < jadew> yeah, I'll be waiting for my items now
2017-06-07T06:13:46 < aandrew> he's sucking off all the old solder and putting rohs stuff on just for you
2017-06-07T06:14:16 < jadew> I bet
2017-06-07T06:14:23 < aandrew> what board are you tryig to build anyway
2017-06-07T06:15:59 < jadew> I'll tell you in private
2017-06-07T06:29:58 < dongs> lol
2017-06-07T06:30:01 < dongs> judew
2017-06-07T06:30:04 < dongs> please eralize
2017-06-07T06:30:06 < dongs> realize, too
2017-06-07T06:30:13 < dongs> that none of your ideas are original or etc
2017-06-07T06:30:17 < dongs> and you;re not the first one to make them
2017-06-07T06:30:25 < dongs> chances are, exact copy of your idea is already on aliexpress
2017-06-07T06:30:32 < dongs> being secret in a channel with 100 idlers
2017-06-07T06:30:37 < dongs> and 5 active people
2017-06-07T06:30:44 < dongs> isnt going to do much
2017-06-07T06:31:03 < dongs> also something about cocks, but you already knew that
2017-06-07T06:32:19 < jadew> it's not original
2017-06-07T06:32:31 < jadew> it's just that I don't have the product in my hand yet
2017-06-07T06:32:44 < dongs> yeah but why are y ou always so secret
2017-06-07T06:32:51 < jadew> and I don't know who else is following these conversations
2017-06-07T06:32:56 < jadew> I don't know
2017-06-07T06:33:16 < dongs> i can guarantee you everyone in here is way too stoned to give a shit about stealing your idea
2017-06-07T06:33:22 < dongs> sorry, stealing your UNORIGINAL idea
2017-06-07T06:33:57 < jadew> I'll tell you what it is when I'll start selling it
2017-06-07T06:34:15 < jadew> thing is, it takes months lately to get boards from china
2017-06-07T06:34:45 < dongs> wot
2017-06-07T06:34:54 < dongs> i just ordered some flexipcb from chinagirl like friday
2017-06-07T06:34:57 < dongs> shes sending them to me today
2017-06-07T06:35:00 < jadew> the post office is overwhelmed
2017-06-07T06:35:02 < dongs> and regular pcb turnaround is liek 3 das
2017-06-07T06:35:04 < dongs> days
2017-06-07T06:35:08 < jadew> yeah, they're fast
2017-06-07T06:35:16 < dongs> then stop using post office? what hte fuck
2017-06-07T06:35:20 < jadew> but now our post is the bottleneck
2017-06-07T06:35:37 < dongs> so pay for agent dhl, its not gonna be much more expensive and 10x faster
2017-06-07T06:35:59 < jadew> it is going to be faster, because I'd have to get DHL for everything, otherwise what's the point?
2017-06-07T06:36:22 < jadew> and the biggest issue is that you get to pay shipping separately for parts you buy on aliexpress
2017-06-07T06:36:32 < jadew> you need cables and a shielding can? that's double the shipping
2017-06-07T06:36:39 < jadew> and it's not cheap via DHL
2017-06-07T06:37:27 < jadew> it would really not be a problem if the post office worked like I assume it does in other countries
2017-06-07T06:37:29 < dongs> get a chinagirl to cache all your shit in one place first then ship all at once . agent dhl IS cheap, ive shipped bunch of shit to europe that way and it was always less than chinaEMS
2017-06-07T06:37:38 < dongs> i mean unless oyu're sofucking cheap you are paying for airmail
2017-06-07T06:37:40 < dongs> and then complaining
2017-06-07T06:37:42 < dongs> about it not arriving
2017-06-07T06:38:06 < jadew> what exactly is agent DHL?
2017-06-07T06:38:14 < dongs> its when they send it to HK first
2017-06-07T06:38:22 < dongs> to some agent who sends millions of packages a month
2017-06-07T06:38:26 < dongs> thus getting awesome rates
2017-06-07T06:38:36 < jadew> interesting, I'll have to look into it
2017-06-07T06:38:39 < dongs> its usually half or more chaeper than DHL rate you'd normally get
2017-06-07T06:39:02 < dongs> at least from shitzen it usually adds like +2 days to get the package to the agent stuff
2017-06-07T06:39:10 < dongs> and after that its as fast as wahtever service you selcted
2017-06-07T06:39:34 < jadew> how do you find one?
2017-06-07T06:39:38 < dongs> You found a level 16 pair of boots. Your current pair of boots is level 287, so it seems Luck is against you. You toss the pair of boots.
2017-06-07T06:39:41 < dongs> awesome
2017-06-07T06:40:03 < dongs> jadew: if youre chatting/emailing to the pcb fags you can just tell them to ship it that way. i donno
2017-06-07T06:40:17 < dongs> how to find = try chatting to randoms on aliexpress and see if tehy wanna do some extra work for you.
2017-06-07T06:40:31 < jadew> got it, thanks
2017-06-07T06:42:24 < aandrew> aliexpress is not a dating site
2017-06-07T06:43:04 < rajkosto> you need to speak in moon
2017-06-07T06:43:07 < rajkosto> or they wont understand a thing
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2017-06-07T06:52:57 < c4017_> Is there a cheap debug probe that supports many brands of micros like STM32, Atmel ATSAM, and can flash anything with JTAG or SWD?
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2017-06-07T06:55:22 < aandrew> jlink isn't cheap but clones are
2017-06-07T06:55:29 < aandrew> bmp probably works well too
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2017-06-07T06:56:14 < c4017_> probably?
2017-06-07T06:56:23 < dongs> well, its opensores
2017-06-07T06:56:23 < c4017_> Any clones you know are working?
2017-06-07T06:56:31 < dongs> c4017_: purchase jlink-edu
2017-06-07T06:56:32 < dongs> its $65
2017-06-07T06:56:34 < dongs> worth it.
2017-06-07T06:56:43 < c4017_> $92 on digikey
2017-06-07T06:56:46 < dongs> or you can get some jlink clones for $15-20ish etc
2017-06-07T06:56:46 < dongs> wat
2017-06-07T06:57:05 < c4017_> maybe just canckistan bucks
2017-06-07T06:57:06 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Segger-Microcontroller/J-Link-EDU/?qs=8mcwQFjNnDX90s7DXoBPKg==
2017-06-07T06:57:13 < dongs> 60 usd
2017-06-07T06:57:23 < aandrew> I have a couple jlinks that are for cortex m0 only (but they seem to work everywhere)
2017-06-07T06:57:25 < dongs> anyway, all jlink "clones" work
2017-06-07T06:57:29 < aandrew> and a couple jlinks
2017-06-07T06:57:33 < dongs> as long as you dont mind old software
2017-06-07T06:57:52 < aandrew> and they (segger) also allows you to take any dev board with an st-link and make it a jlink
2017-06-07T06:57:54 < dongs> as long as you only doing F0/1/2/3/4 and no F7 then even ancient clones are ok
2017-06-07T06:58:03 < dongs> ah, and that of courrse too
2017-06-07T06:58:12 < dongs> just do that to a -disco
2017-06-07T06:58:22 < aandrew> I've also got an ancient bdi-2000 but it gets no love
2017-06-07T06:58:40 < aandrew> yep any cheap disco or kinetis and turn it into a jlink
2017-06-07T06:58:51 < c4017_> link to the st board -> j-link conversion?
2017-06-07T06:59:12 < aandrew> c4017_: segger provides free firmware ot replace the stlink firmware and turn it inot a jlink
2017-06-07T06:59:19 < c4017_> I might try a j-link clone for now
2017-06-07T06:59:33 < c4017_> ok i found it
2017-06-07T06:59:42 < c4017_> BMP did somethiong similar, no?
2017-06-07T06:59:52 < aandrew> so the dev board turns into a jlink; most boards hav ea way to disconnect the actual target from the onboard jtag, letting you use the jtag part for whatever
2017-06-07T07:00:17 < aandrew> bmp is nice in that it is a gdb target. you don't need to run anything on the pc
2017-06-07T07:00:21 < aandrew> and it's oss IIRC
2017-06-07T07:00:44 < aandrew> honestly though I've had nothing but good things to say about jlink
2017-06-07T07:01:06 < aandrew> I didn't like it at first because it's proprietary with closed source tools but shit just works, and that's worth a lot to me
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2017-06-07T07:04:41 < dongs> isnt that why most people do not use lunix
2017-06-07T07:04:54 < dongs> proprietary with closed source but shit just works
2017-06-07T07:05:07 < dongs> lunix is open as RMS's gaping anus but its just a bunch of halfassed broken shit
2017-06-07T07:19:00 < c4017_> Ok my disco is now a J-link. Can this thing program and debug Atmel chips?
2017-06-07T07:20:33 < ds2> the jlink terms are just plain dumb
2017-06-07T07:21:08 < ds2> if you follow it, you are suppose to have 234239142341932048023480923480932840923184 different flavors with slightly different and unknown behavior
2017-06-07T07:21:40 < ds2> jlinks that should work with a particular mfg but won't because of mergers and other stupidity
2017-06-07T07:21:53 < jadew> that fucking OrCAD trash set my HOME variable to its data folder...
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2017-06-07T07:22:41 < jadew> and I was wondering why my ssh keys aren't working anymore
2017-06-07T07:22:52 < jadew> ssh wasn't looking in the right folder for the config file
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2017-06-07T07:25:27 < dongs> recommended set of thermaldongix nozzles
2017-06-07T07:25:27 < dongs> go
2017-06-07T07:26:02 < rajkosto> anyone have solidworks here
2017-06-07T07:29:32 < dongs> pretty sure readpirate does
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2017-06-07T08:21:24 < dongs> looool
2017-06-07T08:21:27 < dongs> got a board on desk
2017-06-07T08:21:31 < dongs> not working"
2017-06-07T08:22:31 < dongs> turns out its being pwoered by 50V dc/dc
2017-06-07T08:22:33 < dongs> instead of..24V
2017-06-07T08:23:22 < ReadError> 'oops'
2017-06-07T08:23:45 < crt> Fiddy
2017-06-07T08:25:25 < Simon--> is that avr voltage?
2017-06-07T08:26:27 < crt> Yeah mate
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2017-06-07T08:54:27 < crt> Laurence of the kingdom
2017-06-07T08:55:27 < crt> stfn of the wafl
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2017-06-07T09:54:51 < ohsix> bluh
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2017-06-07T10:09:05 < ohsix> eh anyone know where to find some lower level DEETS on the esp8266, like what the clock tree looks like
2017-06-07T10:09:25 < ohsix> it's spread about and it can be inferred but it's also probably summarized somewhere
2017-06-07T10:10:59 < dongs> what's R2BRO doing wiht USBC
2017-06-07T10:11:23 < zyp> failing
2017-06-07T10:11:29 < dongs> without a doubt
2017-06-07T10:13:28 < dongs> any less retarded way to do shit like const point_t fags[] = { { 1, 2 }, { 3, 4 } ... }; const point_t *p; stuff(p[0].x, p[0].y) ?
2017-06-07T10:14:02 < zyp> less retarded how?
2017-06-07T10:14:09 < dongs> i was thinking of writing a #define STUFF(index) to turn into p[index].x, p[index].y but that seems really doddgy
2017-06-07T10:14:19 < zyp> eww
2017-06-07T10:14:21 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-07T10:14:54 < zyp> well, you can do shit like p = &fags[3]; stuff(p->x, p->y)
2017-06-07T10:15:16 < zyp> p->x equals p[0].x
2017-06-07T10:15:23 < dongs> right right, sure
2017-06-07T10:15:25 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-07T10:15:36 < dongs> thats slightly less retarded
2017-06-07T10:15:40 < zyp> if you prefer you could also write fags + 3 instead of &fags[3], but I prefer the latter
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2017-06-07T10:16:20 < dongs> [3] looks better
2017-06-07T10:16:34 < dongs> also no ambiguity for next retard reading who doenst know about pointer math/objec sizes
2017-06-07T10:16:38 < zyp> "address of element 3" seems more explicit than "array plus 3"
2017-06-07T10:16:49 < dongs> yea
2017-06-07T10:17:36 < dongs> of course t he real problem is that im not using c++ so I cant just do a thing that takes p with same function name :p
2017-06-07T10:17:40 < zyp> in C++ you could make a reference rather than a pointer and write stuff(p.x, p.y)
2017-06-07T10:17:49 < zyp> yeah, that too
2017-06-07T10:18:39 < zyp> but if you already control the api, what stops you from rewriting it now?
2017-06-07T10:19:02 < dongs> nothing really. just effort. and whether i really need this or not
2017-06-07T10:19:29 < dongs> if I change a bunch of shit now i gotta change even more shit later if it sucks
2017-06-07T10:19:38 < zyp> true
2017-06-07T10:20:35 < dongs> im basically trying to figure out a way i can draw same assets\text/etc but in different positions depending on screen orientation
2017-06-07T10:20:55 < dongs> so my plan was to make a list of stuff and pick the one i need based on orientation
2017-06-07T10:20:59 < dongs> then draw stuff there.
2017-06-07T10:21:21 < zyp> ah
2017-06-07T10:22:04 < zyp> make a struct with all the shit you need?
2017-06-07T10:22:21 < dongs> wouldnt that be different for each thing im drawing
2017-06-07T10:22:42 < zyp> how are you listing the assets to draw?
2017-06-07T10:23:41 < dongs> well, NOW its just sequential code with stuff. i see what youre saying, make like a list/struct of everythign that needs to be drawn, and just loop through it wiht some generic function that sticks stuff on screen?
2017-06-07T10:24:17 < dongs> but then its like im writing some retarded gui definition language
2017-06-07T10:24:20 < zyp> yeah, and then you can have four lists
2017-06-07T10:24:37 < dongs> cuz stuff like 'fillrect' is not an asset but somethign that gets done
2017-06-07T10:24:44 < dongs> ie not text/string
2017-06-07T10:24:53 < dongs> shit's gonna get complicated
2017-06-07T10:24:53 < zyp> hmm, true
2017-06-07T10:25:23 < zyp> anyway, you can still do shit sequential, just stick all the coords in a struct
2017-06-07T10:25:40 < zyp> i.e. all the shit that will vary on orientation
2017-06-07T10:25:55 < dongs> yeah, thats kinda waht im doing now
2017-06-07T10:26:01 < dongs> just trying to figure out a clean-ish way to access the struct
2017-06-07T10:26:06 < dongs> without making it look mega retarded
2017-06-07T10:26:07 < zyp> then at the start of sequential code, set a pointer to active struct and dereference everything on that
2017-06-07T10:26:15 < dongs> and just ++ the stuff?
2017-06-07T10:26:17 < dongs> as needed
2017-06-07T10:26:18 < dongs> mmm
2017-06-07T10:26:26 < dongs> ok, thats not too terrible
2017-06-07T10:32:17 < dongs> yeah i can deal with that
2017-06-07T10:34:24 < ohsix> reflowz
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2017-06-07T10:43:33 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/zurgbob/status/871632561365065728
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2017-06-07T12:08:12 < dongs> hmm what the fuck
2017-06-07T12:08:19 < dongs> im getting some crash in SDL on SDL_UpdateTExture
2017-06-07T12:08:24 < dongs> fucking opensores trash
2017-06-07T12:08:45 < Steffanx> Pebkac
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2017-06-07T12:09:51 < dongs> i dont wanna debug SDL, its not my problem
2017-06-07T12:09:54 < dongs> i expect tools to be usable
2017-06-07T12:10:28 < zyp> you sure you're not passing in invalid arguments?
2017-06-07T12:10:37 < dongs> such as?
2017-06-07T12:10:50 < zyp> pointers or coords out of bounds
2017-06-07T12:11:40 < dongs> nope
2017-06-07T12:16:54 < dongs> found it.
2017-06-07T12:17:00 < dongs> < zyp> you sure you're not passing in invalid arguments?
2017-06-07T12:17:01 < dongs> yes.
2017-06-07T12:17:17 < dongs> stupid cuck who wrote the gui code was makign a fillrect which was off-screen
2017-06-07T12:17:30 < dongs> added a clipping check in the function that does updatetexture and debugbreak, and found it
2017-06-07T12:17:42 < zyp> :)
2017-06-07T12:17:45 < dongs> oh my, thre'smore
2017-06-07T12:18:47 < karlp> qyx: yes, original source is here: https://github.com/karlp/libopencm3-examples/tree/rough-i2c-f4l1/examples/stm32/f4/stm32f4-discovery/i2c-cs43l22
2017-06-07T12:19:12 < karlp> it's largely superseded by https://github.com/karlp/libopencm3-tests/tree/master/tests/i2c-master which uses the same apis for everything.
2017-06-07T12:19:29 < karlp> that f4 version was probably some of my first i2c code.
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2017-06-07T12:21:43 < dongs> um.
2017-06-07T12:21:43 < dongs> yeah, nice nick and host
2017-06-07T12:21:43 < dongs> what retarded clown was that
2017-06-07T12:22:05 < zyp> haha
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2017-06-07T12:49:41 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-06-07T12:50:35 < hetii> According this pdf page 3 and 4: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/ac/cb/d7/31/a9/ae/4a/43/DM00053400.pdf/files/DM00053400.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00053400.pdf
2017-06-07T12:50:52 < hetii> is it possible to transfer data from uart_rx into spi_tx ?
2017-06-07T12:52:41 < zyp> we've talked about this before, F0 DMA can transfer from anywhere to anywhere
2017-06-07T12:54:11 < hetii> But on page 3 stand: Peripherals connected to the same DMA channel (CH1 to CH5 in Ta b l e 1 for STM32F0xx devices) cannot be used simultaneously with active DMA (DMA function active in the peripheral register).
2017-06-07T12:54:55 < zyp> that's in terms of dma triggering, not the transfer itself
2017-06-07T12:55:09 < zyp> you'd only have the uart_rx event triggering
2017-06-07T12:55:19 < zyp> (and hope the spi_tx is able to keep up)
2017-06-07T12:56:51 < hetii> zyp,as I test I need to have SPI1->CR2 |= SPI_CR2_TXDMAEN; when copy data from local buffer into spi
2017-06-07T12:57:02 < hetii> not sure how this stand when will use uart
2017-06-07T12:57:32 < zyp> a dma job can only be triggered by one source
2017-06-07T12:57:44 < zyp> when you're doing memory to peripheral, the peripheral will trigger it
2017-06-07T12:58:19 < zyp> when you're doing uart to spi, either but only one can trigger it, but in practice it only makes sense for uart to do it
2017-06-07T12:58:45 < hetii> I see, ok I will then try do the job by uart_rx and channel 5
2017-06-07T12:58:50 < zyp> when rx is triggering a dma transfer, it happens every time you receive a word
2017-06-07T12:59:07 < zyp> when tx is triggering a dma transfer, it happens as soon as it's ready to transmit a new word
2017-06-07T13:00:02 < zyp> the latter makes perfect sense when you're transmitting from a memory buffer, but when you're transmitting directly from uart, it doesn't make sense to do another transfer until the uart has received more data
2017-06-07T13:01:21 < zyp> conversely, when triggering from uart rx, you have no guarantee that the spi has finished sending before you write another byte
2017-06-07T13:02:06 < zyp> but in practice, as long as spi is running at a higher bitrate than the uart, it should always stay ahead of it
2017-06-07T13:02:42 < hetii> hmm
2017-06-07T13:03:09 < zyp> and if this isn't the case, you have bigger problems
2017-06-07T13:03:50 < hetii> then I could copy data from uart into local buffer and then from local buffer into spi
2017-06-07T13:04:06 < hetii> should that be a solution?
2017-06-07T13:04:20 < zyp> to what problem?
2017-06-07T13:04:53 < hetii> in case when receive faster data from uart then spi can handle.
2017-06-07T13:05:26 < zyp> that's a normal flow control problem
2017-06-07T13:05:44 < zyp> or lack of flow control, rather :)
2017-06-07T13:49:44 < hetii> zyp,  I try this code but without success: https://pastebin.com/ajRpSk98
2017-06-07T13:50:54 < hetii> I`m not sure also about DIR flag but test all scenarios without success.
2017-06-07T14:19:09 < rajkosto> can PA0 be used as both SYS_WKUP and GPIO_Input ?
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2017-06-07T14:25:57 < dongs> why not?
2017-06-07T14:26:07 < dongs> what makes you think it cant
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2017-06-07T14:27:29 < rajkosto> cant be set to both in stm32cube
2017-06-07T14:30:01 < dongs> ..
2017-06-07T14:30:20 < dongs> protip
2017-06-07T14:30:24 < dongs> for when you wanna use cube
2017-06-07T14:30:28 < dongs> just use it to map pins out
2017-06-07T14:30:32 < dongs> and decide peripherals etc.
2017-06-07T14:30:34 < dongs> then just write code
2017-06-07T14:30:40 < rajkosto> i am mapping
2017-06-07T14:30:46 < rajkosto> i need to map it to either gpio or wkup in cubemx
2017-06-07T14:31:00 < dongs> obviously it DOENST UFCKING MATTER IF YOU WRITE HTE CODE TO DO IT THE WAY YOU WANT TO LATER
2017-06-07T14:31:04 < zyp> any pin can be used as a gpio input at any time regardless of whatever other function it has been configured to
2017-06-07T14:31:08 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-07T14:31:14 < zyp> except analog mode, because that turns off the digital input buffer
2017-06-07T14:31:18 < dongs> also isnt wkup nly relevant if youre fucking sleeping
2017-06-07T14:31:31 < dongs> so you just set it to wakeup mode before going to sleep
2017-06-07T14:31:38 < dongs> then your init() sets it to fucking gpio
2017-06-07T14:31:38 < dongs> done
2017-06-07T14:31:54 < dongs> and if you're not dumb, you'll have a second or so delay before setting it to gpio
2017-06-07T14:31:58 < dongs> or at least before reading the value
2017-06-07T14:32:05 < dongs> so  you dont end up waking up and doing whatever action you want GPIO to do
2017-06-07T14:33:17 < rajkosto> why does altium consider entirety of footprint as "keepout" ?
2017-06-07T14:33:53 < rajkosto> even if its just some drawings on top overlay
2017-06-07T14:33:58 < rajkosto> doesnt wanna route traces over it
2017-06-07T14:34:10 < dongs> it doesnt
2017-06-07T14:34:27 < dongs> if you have a footprint with odd shape, put a 3d model on top of it
2017-06-07T14:34:30 < dongs> outlining the real keepout
2017-06-07T14:34:31 < rajkosto> i have some circles on Mechanical 2 and it keeps marking things that touch them as DRC errors until i clear it
2017-06-07T14:34:48 < dongs> oh then no idea
2017-06-07T14:34:52 < dongs> screneshot?
2017-06-07T14:35:28 < zyp> altium defaults to bounding rectangle unless you define anything else
2017-06-07T14:36:57 < dongs> right
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2017-06-07T14:48:17 < dongs> BREAKING: IRAN ATTACK: ISIS claims responsibility for pair of assaults in Tehran
2017-06-07T14:48:53 < rajkosto> how do i define it when keepouts just... prevent anything to be placed there
2017-06-07T14:50:06 < dongs> where's that screenshot
2017-06-07T14:52:06 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-07_13-51-56.png
2017-06-07T14:52:11 < rajkosto> while yes i do not want any components to be there
2017-06-07T14:52:21 < rajkosto> i still want to be able to route through the top layer below it
2017-06-07T14:52:30 < dongs> uh, is that top silk
2017-06-07T14:52:44 < dongs> you got some stupid shit going on there
2017-06-07T14:53:48 < rajkosto> i dont
2017-06-07T14:54:01 < dongs> what is that yellow layer
2017-06-07T14:54:07 < rajkosto> top overlay
2017-06-07T14:54:10 < rajkosto> whhat it normally us
2017-06-07T14:54:10 < dongs> no way.
2017-06-07T14:54:35 < rajkosto> i marked where the pcb module should be placed...
2017-06-07T14:54:40 < rajkosto> (in the footprint)
2017-06-07T14:55:32 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-07_13-55-29.png this is all the footprint is https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-07_13-55-29.png
2017-06-07T14:55:48 < karlp> you guys all sure have a lot of issues with altium for it being such pro softwar3
2017-06-07T14:56:35 < dongs> hahha
2017-06-07T14:56:57 < dongs> rajkosto: weird, never seen that happen
2017-06-07T14:59:29 < rajkosto> i gave it a 3d model on mechanical 1
2017-06-07T14:59:39 < rajkosto> still doesnt let me route in the places where the model isnt
2017-06-07T15:11:27 < hetii> ok i`m stock,  any tip regarding my dma setting and uart?
2017-06-07T15:14:02 < jadew> electonic waste processing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_EoUAVFJSY
2017-06-07T15:15:30 < BrainDamage> the real electronic waste processing https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/AM0V-OKwCEWYty6Yx6-x49044zA=/1024x596/https://public-media.smithsonianmag.com/filer/ab/70/ab700c81-50e9-4614-b9ab-6d385dfa9b0d/_l3a0606.jpg
2017-06-07T15:15:44 < jadew> heh
2017-06-07T15:16:18 < jadew> that guy in the video must have been paid a lot too
2017-06-07T15:16:41 < jadew> it would take a lot to make me hold all that garbage in my hand
2017-06-07T15:16:48 < jadew> *bare hand
2017-06-07T15:30:47 < Thorn> is MS-ADPCM different from ADPCM implenented in that microchip appnote that everybody is using (including ST in their examples)?
2017-06-07T15:40:41 < jadew> I'm now trying to figure out what the WEEE directive means for me
2017-06-07T15:41:05 < jadew> do I simply have to put the corssed trash can symbol on the PCB?
2017-06-07T15:41:47 < jadew> what does it actually mean?
2017-06-07T15:43:15 < dongs> yes
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2017-06-07T15:44:55 < rajkosto> why shift W not work now
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2017-06-07T15:45:10 < jadew> I hope that's it
2017-06-07T15:45:24 < jadew> it seems weird that I don't have to pay anything for it tho
2017-06-07T15:45:26 < rajkosto> its making the traces below the module green but i cant shift w to view the violation
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2017-06-07T15:49:26 < jadew> yeah, it seems like if I put that on the board, I have to have a contract with whoever collects this garbage
2017-06-07T15:51:15 < jadew> I don't understand why would electronic producers have to finance the guys who recycle electronics - wouldn't the recycling companies earn a lot from the recycled material?
2017-06-07T15:51:46 < rajkosto> recycling actually costs way more than it saves.
2017-06-07T15:52:24 < karlp> depends what costs you're counting of course...
2017-06-07T15:52:28 < jadew> really? cuz I just saw in that video that they're extracting a lot of copper and other metals from it
2017-06-07T15:52:42 < jadew> it's not like they're recycling bags
2017-06-07T15:52:53 < jadew> they're reclycling shit with expensive stuff in them
2017-06-07T15:53:43 < crt> Wafel
2017-06-07T15:58:37 < sync> jadew: your company has to be weee registered
2017-06-07T15:58:50 < jadew> yeah, it looks like it
2017-06-07T15:58:55 < sync> and you have to tell them how much electronics you have sold
2017-06-07T15:59:02 < sync> and protip, get weee insurance
2017-06-07T15:59:07 < sync> as weee is a big lottery
2017-06-07T15:59:09 < jadew> what's that?
2017-06-07T15:59:18 < jadew> why?
2017-06-07T16:00:17 < sync> well, you can also pay for recycling of electronics
2017-06-07T16:00:22 < sync> but that gets expensive very fast
2017-06-07T16:00:48 < sync> weee basically works as a big lottery, they look at what electronic waste they have and then just distribute that between members randomly
2017-06-07T16:01:04 < sync> and if you get a container of special waste, have fun getting bankrupt
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2017-06-07T16:01:58 < jadew> you mean there's a chance they'll ask me to dispose of some waste?
2017-06-07T16:02:59 < sync> yes
2017-06-07T16:03:12 < jadew> heh, that's great
2017-06-07T16:04:02 < jadew> I'll fucking move to China and sell everywhere with no regulations and almost inexistent shipping charges
2017-06-07T16:04:39 < karlp> you think china just magically makes all these problems disappear?
2017-06-07T16:05:20 < jadew> they don't seem to care about them
2017-06-07T16:05:43 < jadew> and they have no problem selling in the EU
2017-06-07T16:06:56 < zyp> I think karlp knows a thing or two about buying from china :)
2017-06-07T16:07:33 < zyp> but then again, iceland seems a lot more nazi about import laws than anywhere else
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2017-06-07T17:14:06 < englishman> dongs, i had the good fortune to see a phantom CLONE in action
2017-06-07T17:14:14 < englishman> Autel X-Star
2017-06-07T17:14:22 < englishman> i thought it actually was a phantom, even though it looked a little "off"
2017-06-07T17:14:27 < englishman> but it definitely was not
2017-06-07T17:14:37 < englishman> The X‑Star Premium cannot be sold in countries that require CE certification.
2017-06-07T17:14:38 < englishman> lol
2017-06-07T17:17:04 < sync> lel
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2017-06-07T17:19:06 < jadew> I wonder why
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2017-06-07T17:30:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak-Y56SfkS0 wow, so much thumbdown
2017-06-07T17:30:11 < dongs> i wonder why
2017-06-07T17:30:13 < dongs> is it a racist ad
2017-06-07T17:30:16 < dongs> or wat
2017-06-07T17:31:48 < jadew> doesn't look like it
2017-06-07T17:31:53 < jadew> but 91 million views?
2017-06-07T17:32:05 < dongs> well, its an ad that goes in front of shitty vlogger videos
2017-06-07T17:32:16 < jadew> maybe that's why
2017-06-07T17:32:17 < dongs> but it must have been linked somewhere to get that many thumbdowns
2017-06-07T17:32:31 < dongs> cuz usually it takes effort to go to the 'video' page of the ad
2017-06-07T17:32:35 < dongs> to get to voting/comments
2017-06-07T17:32:47 < jadew> too bad comments are disabled
2017-06-07T17:32:54 < dongs> right
2017-06-07T17:33:34 < jadew> also, who the hell needs that anyway? chrome has a spell checker built in
2017-06-07T17:33:59 < jadew> and it looked like those people were using some sort of web app
2017-06-07T17:34:21 < dongs> sure
2017-06-07T17:34:31 < jadew> https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/68j712/this_unskippable_grammarly_ad_is_getting_on_my/
2017-06-07T17:34:41 < dongs> ohh, unskippable eh
2017-06-07T17:34:43 < dongs> must be in usa only
2017-06-07T17:35:19 < dongs> After seeing this ad about a million times, I tried Grammarly, and liked it. So I guess the ad works.... ???
2017-06-07T17:35:22 < dongs> haha
2017-06-07T17:35:37 < jadew> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/A1fgusXt0x0;context-place=forum/youtube
2017-06-07T17:36:24 < dongs> wow, people are fucking dicks
2017-06-07T17:36:28 < dongs> i've never used an adblocker
2017-06-07T17:37:06 < dongs> judew, what makes you use an adblocker
2017-06-07T17:37:21 < dongs> http://previously.tv/television/in-its-tv-spot-grammarly-presents-the-worst-social-media-manager-in-the-world/
2017-06-07T17:37:55 < jadew> dongs, slow sites
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2017-06-07T17:39:27 < dongs> lol @ taht article
2017-06-07T17:39:31 < dongs> so much projecting
2017-06-07T17:39:54 < dongs> monty ashley is af ucking faggot
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2017-06-07T17:59:13 < rajkosto> lol she spelled patience as patient
2017-06-07T18:02:07 < Thorn> what types of spi flash ICs exist? seems like there are 2: with RAM buffers and directly readable/writable
2017-06-07T18:03:43 < Laurenceb_> lul grammarly
2017-06-07T18:03:56 < Laurenceb_> wtf is that shit advert on jewtube
2017-06-07T18:10:00 < englishman> wut there should be no comma after hello
2017-06-07T18:10:12 < englishman> is that chick just spellchecking for work all day
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2017-06-07T18:10:26 < englishman> oh
2017-06-07T18:10:30 < englishman> maybe that is R2COM's job
2017-06-07T18:10:34 < englishman> social media manager for cypress
2017-06-07T18:10:39 < englishman> they sure do a lot of it
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2017-06-07T18:14:22 < crt> The dogs
2017-06-07T18:16:47 < Laurenceb_> crt still hanging in a bar?
2017-06-07T18:16:47 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/06/07/0543222/moderate-drinking-can-damage-the-brain-claim-researchers
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2017-06-07T18:22:46 < crt> Nah only during work hours
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2017-06-07T18:49:08 < Laurenceb_> wtf is wrong with my connection
2017-06-07T18:49:09 < Laurenceb_> rats in the network box again
2017-06-07T18:49:20 < Rob235> :o
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2017-06-07T18:53:04 < Laurenceb_> it was the source of the problem last time
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2017-06-07T19:00:36 < Steffanx> Lolwut?
2017-06-07T19:00:47 < Steffanx> Troll them out
2017-06-07T19:00:54 < Laurenceb_> ADSL with exposed wires
2017-06-07T19:01:01 < Laurenceb_> rats crawling over them
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2017-06-07T19:17:17 < englishman> thats racist
2017-06-07T19:17:20 < englishman> you shouldnt call them that
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2017-06-07T19:27:49 < kakimir> Once I repaired adsl with mains installation cable
2017-06-07T19:28:05 < kakimir> line was down literally
2017-06-07T19:28:46 < crt> Ok
2017-06-07T19:29:06 < kakimir> took some screw extension terminals and the reel of that pvc cable
2017-06-07T19:29:32 < kakimir> just rolled it open on snow
2017-06-07T19:30:00 < kakimir> packet loss was grate
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2017-06-07T19:34:17 < crt> THIS IS JUST MICKEY MOUSE
2017-06-07T19:37:07 < Steffanx> Facken noo.
2017-06-07T19:37:14 < Steffanx> Ya mate.
2017-06-07T19:39:10 < kakimir> you too Steffanx
2017-06-07T19:39:51 < kakimir> becoming crt.. slowly
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2017-06-07T19:51:35 < crt> Hi
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2017-06-07T19:52:25 < crt> Laurenceb_ got any tendies
2017-06-07T19:58:34 < crt> Mate
2017-06-07T19:59:41 < crt> Ya lissinin
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2017-06-07T20:06:07 < Steffanx> Its Crazy(R) Talk, kakimir
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2017-06-07T20:09:48 < dongs> Thorn: wtf are  you talking about
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2017-06-07T20:14:49 < Thorn> for example microchip flash vs. atmel dataflash
2017-06-07T20:15:02 < crt> Laurenceb_
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2017-06-07T20:22:12 < crt> FUCK
2017-06-07T20:25:31 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: kill those f-ing rats
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2017-06-07T20:29:13 < crt> Tendies would make gr8 b8te
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2017-06-07T21:11:50 < englishman> for dongs http://imgur.com/a/uykiO
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2017-06-07T22:40:56 < karlp> englishman: :) sweet.
2017-06-07T22:41:02 < karlp> wish it was in the gallery so I could upvote it :)
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2017-06-07T22:54:26 < aandrew> what the actual fuck was that englishman
2017-06-07T22:54:55 < karlp> pretty much what it said on the box man :)
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2017-06-07T23:02:14 < zyp> haha
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2017-06-07T23:19:35 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/7uV0LMw
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2017-06-07T23:19:40 < hetii> Hi
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2017-06-07T23:39:01 < hetii> Could somone look at and tell me why I cannot get usart data by using dma? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24802926/
2017-06-07T23:40:28 < hetii> I try many different examples, based on StdPeriph_Lib_V1.5.0 as well as without it and lost now two days and still cannot have it done ;(
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2017-06-08T00:03:43 < invzim> routing power
2017-06-08T00:03:47 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3TEZ4eXg4ZVdORW8/view
2017-06-08T00:03:55 < invzim> is this ok for 1117?
2017-06-08T00:04:50 < invzim> you're supposed to have stuff in sequence, which is a little hard when using polygons, or is it ok just if the caps are close?
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2017-06-08T00:11:59 < zyp> invzim, what net is the polygon it sits in?
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2017-06-08T00:12:38 < zyp> ah, vin
2017-06-08T00:12:53 < zyp> why it it sitting in vin? it should be sitting in vout, since that's what the termal tab is
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2017-06-08T00:14:13 < invzim> it's 1 of 4 in a row, so just to make it neat
2017-06-08T00:14:48 < zyp> give them a separate polygon each then
2017-06-08T00:15:02 < zyp> otherwise the thermal tab is pointless
2017-06-08T00:15:24 < zyp> not a huge concern if you won't be dissipating much, of course
2017-06-08T00:15:31 < zyp> but still looks dumb
2017-06-08T00:20:56 < Laurenceb_> nice http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/sx1280_81.pdf
2017-06-08T00:21:01 < Laurenceb_> 2.4GHz ranging
2017-06-08T00:21:54 < invzim> zyp: link updated with 2d
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2017-06-08T00:52:42 < kakimir> hello pump
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2017-06-08T00:54:54 < Steffanx> Hello how is finland kakimir?
2017-06-08T00:57:13 < kakimir> warm
2017-06-08T00:57:47 < kakimir> guess who needs to work when sun is shining?
2017-06-08T00:58:11 < kakimir> my gameplan with my work things need some polishing
2017-06-08T00:59:40 < Steffanx> i work when the sun shines
2017-06-08T01:00:27 < kakimir> I need to change the plan so that I work every day of week
2017-06-08T01:00:32 < kakimir> 12 hours a day
2017-06-08T01:00:41 < kakimir> and loose money while I'm doing it
2017-06-08T01:00:45 < kakimir> *lose
2017-06-08T01:02:01 < englishman> its easier than it looks
2017-06-08T01:02:01 < invzim> zyp: thanks, updated with more polys
2017-06-08T01:02:04 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3RDZ2UGZOY25mTEE/view
2017-06-08T01:02:07 < kakimir> start a business to say
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2017-06-08T01:04:05 < englishman> hm what is going on there
2017-06-08T01:04:07 < englishman> is the top rail ground
2017-06-08T01:06:35 < invzim> top rail is input
2017-06-08T01:06:52 < invzim> a filtered usb vbus in this case
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2017-06-08T01:10:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKemVSempBcXpMT1k/view?usp=sharing jubb involves turning diesel fuel and pieces of wood remains into shreds
2017-06-08T01:10:46 < kakimir> I think woods are getting softer after 5years in the soil
2017-06-08T01:14:09 < kakimir> doesn't take full engine power any more
2017-06-08T01:14:18 < kakimir> that is 250hp
2017-06-08T01:17:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKa1VJVGpVazhaNEU/view?usp=sharing
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2017-06-08T01:41:05 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: why you don't use screen?
2017-06-08T01:43:39 < Thorn> A few moments later, the President said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.” I didn’t move, speak, or change my facial expression in any way during the awkward silence that followed. We simply looked at each other in silence.
2017-06-08T01:46:01 < kakimir> trump again?
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2017-06-08T01:48:27 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: no homo
2017-06-08T01:49:21 < ohsix> Rob235: yes
2017-06-08T01:49:37 < ohsix> Rob235: i'd forgotten about that, it's inconsequential (so far) just some weirdness-establishment
2017-06-08T02:06:58 < Laurenceb_> > Online abuse has made me suicidal more than once. I have taken the pills. I have stood on the train bridge. I have been driven insane. I have had periods where I have been unable to work because I am such a wreck from sustained hatred and vitriol. I have lost work. I have been literally driven insane by hatred
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2017-06-08T02:13:40 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNnPvWqp71U
2017-06-08T02:13:46 < kakimir> is that your message Laurenceb_ ?
2017-06-08T02:13:54 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-06-08T02:18:24 < kakimir> in what forum, portal, sosial media, irc channel that abuse occurs?
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2017-06-08T02:22:16 < upgrdman__> is msys or cygwin better
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2017-06-08T02:23:33 < kakimir> linux subsystem for windows
2017-06-08T02:23:49 < kakimir> seriously if it is suitable you should use it
2017-06-08T02:26:20 < kakimir> basically like using virtual machine without the virtual machine itself
2017-06-08T02:28:41 < kakimir> and msys upgrdman
2017-06-08T02:28:57 < upgrdman> k
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2017-06-08T02:39:02 < rajkosto> msys2 is godly
2017-06-08T02:39:05 < rajkosto> dat pacman
2017-06-08T02:39:27 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMXYzRGpxaXMwajA/view?usp=sharing
2017-06-08T02:39:52 < rajkosto> the LS4W is for running native linux elfs
2017-06-08T02:40:05 < rajkosto> msys2 is for having bash & utils in the windows system
2017-06-08T02:40:18 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-08T02:42:07 < upgrdman> why is msys nicer than cygwin
2017-06-08T02:43:25 < kakimir> cygwin is cancer
2017-06-08T02:43:36 < kakimir> I think it's old and stuff
2017-06-08T02:43:57 < kakimir> not as nice to use
2017-06-08T02:44:11 < rajkosto> run a make in cygwin and it takes forever
2017-06-08T02:44:16 < rajkosto> run a make in msys2 and its native speed
2017-06-08T02:44:31 < rajkosto> cygwin also has everything depend on this compat layer dll that sucks
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2017-06-08T03:10:55 < mickjc75> Hi
2017-06-08T03:11:09 < mickjc75> only 3 people in stm :-(
2017-06-08T03:11:42 < rajkosto> 140
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2017-06-08T03:37:11 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/vh8paDS
2017-06-08T03:51:02 < rajkosto> SONIC'S ARMS
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2017-06-08T04:07:43 < englishman> this is nuts
2017-06-08T04:07:47 < englishman> this pro taiwan assy co
2017-06-08T04:07:55 < englishman> cant even figure out how to power up the board
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2017-06-08T04:31:40 < sync> lul
2017-06-08T05:14:33 < rajkosto> why would they need to ?
2017-06-08T05:14:47 < rajkosto> dont assy cos just pick and place and then reflow
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2017-06-08T06:17:49 < englishman> cuz they are supposed to be pro and doing all of the qualification and further assembly
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2017-06-08T06:31:48 < branjb> is a PWB different than a PCB?
2017-06-08T06:40:22 < rajkosto> a PWB is an older term where it was used for point to point connections only, the geometry of the board and traces wasnt considered impactful (impedances etc were ignored)
2017-06-08T06:44:46 < branjb> ah
2017-06-08T06:44:59 < branjb> so makes sense that i see PWB on a lot of gov't / defense contractors sites
2017-06-08T07:03:56 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkSElXr202I
2017-06-08T07:04:46 < ohsix> rajkosto: you have 1400 lines in my lastlog :p
2017-06-08T07:04:57 < ohsix> ohic
2017-06-08T07:05:09 < rajkosto> ;n
2017-06-08T07:05:10 < rajkosto> lh
2017-06-08T07:05:14 < rajkosto> ohsix, beenus
2017-06-08T07:05:17 < ohsix> 14:17 < ohsix>  rajkosto: the notes i thought i took were just a chat log, the punchline is that it was just -f stlink.cfg -c transport select hla_swd -f part.cfg :| thought it was something more interesting
2017-06-08T07:05:33 < rajkosto> im not using swd, using jtag
2017-06-08T07:05:54 < ohsix> what debug adapter?
2017-06-08T07:05:59 < rajkosto> ft2232h breakout
2017-06-08T07:06:08 < ohsix> ah
2017-06-08T07:06:18 < rajkosto> (yes i defined nTRST nSRST masks properly)
2017-06-08T07:06:29 < ohsix> i forget the difference, just a pin or two more right?
2017-06-08T07:06:48 < rajkosto> jtag is like spi where swd is uart
2017-06-08T07:07:03 < ohsix> i think even if you have a jtag adapter (or serial like ftdi) you'd use swd mode when you can
2017-06-08T07:07:23 < rajkosto> chip has full jtag pinout thing on its board so
2017-06-08T07:07:29 < ohsix> nice
2017-06-08T07:07:36 < rajkosto> no idea how i would use swd
2017-06-08T07:07:37 < rajkosto> or why
2017-06-08T07:08:02 < ohsix> it uses the same pins & is initiated via jtag
2017-06-08T07:08:38 < ohsix> but it does something funny with one of them
2017-06-08T07:08:47 < ohsix> will have to refresh later
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2017-06-08T07:51:16 < dongs> what
2017-06-08T07:51:31 < dongs> fucking aids
2017-06-08T07:51:37 < dongs> japs call it PWB too
2017-06-08T07:52:09 < dongs> R2COM: too busy innovating
2017-06-08T07:52:20 < dongs> no im ok
2017-06-08T07:54:04 < rajkosto> how many billions of google funding
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2017-06-08T08:00:05 < upgrdman> with battlebots (and similar) do they limit your weapon choice? like could you mount a fucking magnetron to your robot?
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2017-06-08T08:42:02 < dongs> beaglebonerbots
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2017-06-08T08:50:25 < mickjc75> battle bots
2017-06-08T08:50:31 < mickjc75> robowars
2017-06-08T08:50:37 < mickjc75> it's a tv show where robots fight
2017-06-08T08:52:59 < ReadError> wtf how do you not know what battlebots is
2017-06-08T08:53:07 < ReadError> upgrdman: there are some rules yz
2017-06-08T08:53:20 < ReadError> like dealing with projectiles
2017-06-08T08:53:29 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-08T08:53:59 < ReadError> I was thinking something that could just fry the electronics would be smart
2017-06-08T08:54:09 < ReadError> since imagine everything is grounded to the chassis
2017-06-08T08:54:18 < ReadError> or something is
2017-06-08T08:55:28 < ReadError> RF jammer
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2017-06-08T08:58:12 < mickjc75_> I thought of big electromagnet feet
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2017-06-08T09:08:08 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM http://i.imgur.com/sYSjLFb.gifv
2017-06-08T09:09:20 < crt> The dogs
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2017-06-08T09:37:07 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Design-2-Colors-Baby-Children-Anti-lost-Safety-Security-Lock-Children-Leash-Belt-Infant/32785732192.html
2017-06-08T09:39:36 < jadew> do you guys know an online shop with only 2 boards to sell? I'm looking for design ideas
2017-06-08T09:45:16 < ohsix> Laurenceb: https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872661171576467456 dig tabs
2017-06-08T09:45:21 < ohsix> in his browser
2017-06-08T09:45:29 < ohsix> jadew: what do you mean two boards?
2017-06-08T09:45:36 < jadew> ohsix, two products
2017-06-08T09:45:56 < jadew> for now, but I can redesign it when there'll be more
2017-06-08T09:55:06 < fest> jadew: https://odriverobotics.com/shop/
2017-06-08T09:55:31 < jadew> thanks!
2017-06-08T09:55:50 < jadew> funny that I have the same color scheme on my site ATM
2017-06-08T09:56:18 < jadew> don't think I'll keep that tho
2017-06-08T09:56:37 < fest> you could also have a layout like this, if the products are related: http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard
2017-06-08T09:57:38 < fest> the odrive is a bad example of design though- I don't see why user needs to scroll to see those two products
2017-06-08T09:58:00 < jadew> yeah, I'm not a fan of that design either, but it's an idea
2017-06-08T09:58:10 < jadew> the second one is much better
2017-06-08T09:58:25 < jadew> thanks
2017-06-08T10:07:47 < ohsix> jadew: 'with only 2 boards to sell' confuses me
2017-06-08T10:09:33 < jadew> ohsix, I only have two products at the moment
2017-06-08T10:09:41 < jadew> so I can't make a classic online shop
2017-06-08T10:09:55 < jadew> there are no categories for one
2017-06-08T10:10:22 < ohsix> ah
2017-06-08T10:10:54 < ohsix> hurr neat, there's a plugin to import radare stuff into ida
2017-06-08T10:11:15 < ohsix> there's no debugger support for avr so i can't just hax
2017-06-08T10:12:20 < ohsix> actually looked into writing it but none of the example plugins seem to just do something on their own, and it would be via gdb and none of the example code (even the gdb talking ones) do anything really specific about gdb
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2017-06-08T11:08:54 < rajkosto> ohsix, he is a man of culture as well
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2017-06-08T11:57:07 < rajkosto> dongs, you still havent suggested a nice cheap chink bluetooth module
2017-06-08T11:57:48 < Steffanx> What does rajkosto? Full stuff or just BLe or.. ?
2017-06-08T11:57:57 < Steffanx> +need
2017-06-08T11:58:00 < rajkosto> full 2.1+edr (2.1 not 2.0, need that simple pair func)
2017-06-08T12:00:12 < Steffanx> Thorn is the master of cheap aliexpress items
2017-06-08T12:00:28 < rajkosto> well i need its pinout and some sort of datasheet for it
2017-06-08T12:01:08 < rajkosto> altho its usually just sending L2CAP shit over UART (i'd prefer CTS/DTR pins avaailable as well)
2017-06-08T12:01:55 < rajkosto> antenna can be on the module or not but i'd want as small as possiburu
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2017-06-08T12:45:36 < karlp> didn't upgrdman use some cheap bt modules for remote telemetry on his inverted pendulum robot?
2017-06-08T12:49:53 < karlp> jadew: this only has a couple of products: https://controls.is/shop/ecu
2017-06-08T12:51:51 < dongs> heh is that baldurs shop
2017-06-08T12:51:54 < dongs> heh yea
2017-06-08T12:55:26 < karlp> yeah
2017-06-08T12:56:02 < karlp> so happy baldur's out doing his own thing now.
2017-06-08T12:56:56 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ymzSTK92.html how shit is this code
2017-06-08T12:58:30 < karlp> needs to do !*wptr++ for maximum combo
2017-06-08T12:58:48 < karlp> hrm, is *wptr++->element valid even?
2017-06-08T12:59:03 < dongs> haah
2017-06-08T12:59:10 < karlp> is *wptr->element right?
2017-06-08T12:59:14 < dongs> yes
2017-06-08T12:59:15 < karlp> isn't it wptr->element?
2017-06-08T12:59:17 < dongs> its a pointer to bull
2017-06-08T12:59:18 < dongs> bool
2017-06-08T12:59:18 < dongs> no
2017-06-08T12:59:24 < dongs> its like.. error flag or whatever
2017-06-08T12:59:34 < karlp> or *wptr.element
2017-06-08T12:59:48 < karlp> biggest issue with that code is missing {} on the if/else
2017-06-08T13:00:03 < dongs> i generally dont put {}'s on single line ifs
2017-06-08T13:00:12 < karlp> how does wptr->error work, but *wptr->condition also work?
2017-06-08T13:00:15 < karlp> what the hell magic is wptr?
2017-06-08T13:00:30 < dongs>    struct warning_t {
2017-06-08T13:00:31 < dongs>         bool *condition;
2017-06-08T13:00:34 < dongs> ... etc
2017-06-08T13:00:38 < karlp> or is the * so weak in the ordering tha tit's deref on the condition shit
2017-06-08T13:00:39 < karlp> oh right.
2017-06-08T13:00:42 < dongs> error is just const char
2017-06-08T13:00:45 < karlp> stupid operator ordering.
2017-06-08T13:01:00 < dongs> ah, right, it takes ->condition's dereference
2017-06-08T13:01:08 < dongs> i suppose i could put ()'s around for clarity
2017-06-08T13:01:16 < karlp> why on earth is condition a bool pointer and not a bool?
2017-06-08T13:01:55 < dongs> because its pointers to other vars
2017-06-08T13:02:01 < dongs> different threads set them
2017-06-08T13:02:08  * karlp laughs.
2017-06-08T13:02:10 < karlp> ok.
2017-06-08T13:02:11 < dongs> ^_^
2017-06-08T13:02:40 < zyp> sounds fun
2017-06-08T13:02:51 < dongs> whats wrong wiht that plan? i mean you have soemthing like status.craperror
2017-06-08T13:03:06 < dongs> you want to do something based on that, how else would you put it in a *display* related struct
2017-06-08T13:03:10 < dongs> if not a pointer?
2017-06-08T13:03:52 < karlp> blinkindex = blinkindex > 2 ? blinkindex+1 : 0
2017-06-08T13:03:59 < karlp> for great reduction in lines
2017-06-08T13:04:08 < karlp> less code runs faster!
2017-06-08T13:04:58 < zyp> I learned some fun C trick yesterday
2017-06-08T13:05:08 < dongs> whats the trick? not using C?
2017-06-08T13:05:11 < karlp> if they're really being set by other threads, and this is a status display, I'd copy them.
2017-06-08T13:05:20 < zyp> you know you got some shit like arr[2]
2017-06-08T13:05:26 < dongs> karlp: how?
2017-06-08T13:05:33 < zyp> apparently you can also write 2[arr]
2017-06-08T13:05:51 < dongs> wait waht
2017-06-08T13:05:53 < karlp> zyp: *shudders*
2017-06-08T13:05:55 < dongs> what does that do?
2017-06-08T13:05:58 < karlp> I guess that's all it does
2017-06-08T13:06:04 < karlp> the [] jsut takes the address and does the
2017-06-08T13:06:05 < karlp> +
2017-06-08T13:06:15 < karlp> address of a + 2, or 2 + address of a
2017-06-08T13:06:17 < zyp> 2[arr] is valid C, compiles, doesn't give any warning or anything
2017-06-08T13:06:19 < karlp> but pretty vile.
2017-06-08T13:06:43 < zyp> also goes for C++, no difference between C and C++ in this case
2017-06-08T13:06:48 < zyp> and yes
2017-06-08T13:06:49 < dongs> the best C hax i saw was in zyps code
2017-06-08T13:06:56 < dongs> "abcdef"[x]
2017-06-08T13:07:25 < zyp> X[Y] apparently equals *(X+Y), and + is commutative
2017-06-08T13:07:54 < zyp> exactly one of X and Y needs to be a pointer type otherwise the deref will error, but it does not matter which
2017-06-08T13:08:02 < dongs> btw karlp i cant do wptr++->condition (even tho it compiles)
2017-06-08T13:08:07 < dongs> because I only want to increment wptr if the condition is false
2017-06-08T13:08:19 < zyp> dongs, that's just a quick way to make a lookup table
2017-06-08T13:08:25 < dongs> zyp, right
2017-06-08T13:08:31 < dongs> was ne2me
2017-06-08T13:08:33 < dongs> new
2017-06-08T13:09:01 < dongs> i could probly get rid of hardcoded blinkindex by doing wend = warnings[-1] ?
2017-06-08T13:09:09 < dongs> or wahtever was the hax C way to access tail member of array
2017-06-08T13:09:46 < zyp> IIRC I did that to convert shit to hex, and it reads nicer than dicking around with (x < 10 ? '0' + x : 'a' + x - 10)
2017-06-08T13:09:58 < zyp> "0123456789abcdef"[x]
2017-06-08T13:10:10 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-08T13:12:25 < karlp> wend = warnings[sizeof(warnings)/sizeof(warnings[0])-1] ?
2017-06-08T13:12:27 < karlp> or something
2017-06-08T13:12:28 < rajkosto> im gonna need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle
2017-06-08T13:12:55 < karlp> as long as warnings is a static sized array, and not some pointer you're using array notation on.
2017-06-08T13:13:47 < rajkosto> if youre in c++ always use the templated array_countof thingy
2017-06-08T13:13:53 < rajkosto> it errors out when you use it on a pointer
2017-06-08T13:14:04 < zyp> why -1? common practice is that end is the first nonexistant element
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2017-06-08T13:15:39 < zyp> ah, I didn't read the question
2017-06-08T13:15:43 < zyp> call it last, not end
2017-06-08T13:16:00 < rajkosto> end is always one past last (start+size) so you can do while (it != end)
2017-06-08T13:16:10 < zyp> rajkosto, exactly
2017-06-08T13:18:30 < dongs> karlp: yeah its static
2017-06-08T13:18:38 < dongs> zyp, thats what i did
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2017-06-08T14:25:21 < rajkosto> my neck, my back, my pussy and my crack
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2017-06-08T15:00:08 < jadew> karlp, thanks
2017-06-08T15:00:16 < jadew> I guess it doesn't look that bad as a regular shop
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2017-06-08T15:22:26 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-08_14-22-12.jpg made this, time to fuck it up by drilling
2017-06-08T15:22:47 < dongs> why do you even bother
2017-06-08T15:22:56 < rajkosto> dont wanna wait 3 weeks for chink pcb
2017-06-08T15:24:24 < rajkosto> and which would also be a much larger scope thing cuz why not, wouldnt just be a shield
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2017-06-08T15:27:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pQ4Gg1e.jpg paid $70 for like 20 of these shipped
2017-06-08T15:29:23 < emeryth> cool
2017-06-08T15:30:46 < zyp> huh, that cheap
2017-06-08T15:30:58 < zyp> that's 1L?
2017-06-08T15:31:49 < rajkosto> oooh flex
2017-06-08T15:32:24 < zyp> no, 2L obvious, judging by the vias
2017-06-08T15:32:53 < dongs> zyp, 2l
2017-06-08T15:33:17 < dongs> only needed 3
2017-06-08T15:33:25 < dongs> but got ~20 cuz that was minimum they made
2017-06-08T15:33:52 < zyp> that's nice
2017-06-08T15:33:59 < rajkosto> how do you solder to flex without melting it
2017-06-08T15:34:09 < dongs> flex is made from kapton?
2017-06-08T15:34:14 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-08T15:34:14 < dongs> it doesnt melt
2017-06-08T15:34:28 < zyp> I'm sure you can make it melt if you tried
2017-06-08T15:34:32 < zyp> or were tom66
2017-06-08T15:34:42 < dongs> those crystals i just tinned all pads then pointed heatgun at it until solder melted
2017-06-08T15:35:14 < rajkosto> all the flex i had pointed heatgun at just melted
2017-06-08T15:35:21 < rajkosto> before desired effect
2017-06-08T15:35:30 < dongs> get cheaper flex
2017-06-08T15:35:43 < dongs> melting point is inversely proportional to cost
2017-06-08T15:35:46 < rajkosto> (wasnt anything i made, just... when trying to mess with flex)
2017-06-08T15:37:50 < rajkosto> well youll all be glad to know that these drillpro drill bits i just opened are RoHS !
2017-06-08T15:52:23 < dongs> 06/07/2017	1:30 P.M.	Pickup Scan
2017-06-08T15:52:24 < dongs> Latvia
2017-06-08T15:52:26 < dongs> nice
2017-06-08T15:52:29 < dongs> more like pickup scam
2017-06-08T15:52:38 < dongs> my wireless gear is on teh way
2017-06-08T15:52:51 < dongs> if it sucks, only $300 lost and I'll go dig the fiber cables in
2017-06-08T15:55:28 < zyp> what did you end up buying?
2017-06-08T15:56:19 < dongs> mikrodick stuff
2017-06-08T15:56:46 < dongs> mANTBox 19s + SXT HG5 AC
2017-06-08T15:56:51 < dongs> 2 SXTs
2017-06-08T15:58:05 < zyp> how much data are you going to push across this link anyway?
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2017-06-08T15:58:14 < dongs> i hope 500mbit
2017-06-08T15:58:25 < dongs> (with this crap)
2017-06-08T15:58:37 < zyp> sustained?
2017-06-08T15:58:40 < dongs> yeah?
2017-06-08T15:58:49 < dongs> am I gonna get vanned by jap FCC?
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2017-06-08T15:58:53 < dongs> for abusing 80mhz of spectrum
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2017-06-08T15:59:02 < zyp> nah, just wondering
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2017-06-08T15:59:16 < hetii> Helllo
2017-06-08T15:59:18 < hetii> :)
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2017-06-08T16:01:54 < Steffanx> Bye.
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2017-06-08T16:04:56 < Thorn> "fuck 52840, here's another new one" http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/News/News-releases/Product-Related-News/Nordic-Semiconductor-launches-world-s-most-accessible-Bluetooth-5-SoC-for-the-widest-range-of-applications-to-date-including-wearable-and-PC-peripheral-applications
2017-06-08T16:07:55 < zyp> dongs, hmm, I wonder what real world throughput you'll get out of it, I kinda doubt it'll do 500
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2017-06-08T16:22:49 < englishman> same
2017-06-08T16:23:03 < englishman> if the tunnel is already there why waste time
2017-06-08T16:23:27 < englishman> lay the fibre, itl  still be good when your needs go up to 10mbit
2017-06-08T16:23:38 < englishman> er 10gbit
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2017-06-08T16:45:39 < hetii> why in cubeMX when add DMA its not possible to set peripheral to peripheral mode?
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2017-06-08T16:56:22 < rajkosto> drilling actually didnt go bad at all, but my lungs are that much more rich in fiberglass https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-08_15-56-11.jpg
2017-06-08T17:02:42 < englishman> fyi some pcbs from china are arriving today that i ordered last saturday
2017-06-08T17:02:46 < crt> Pob
2017-06-08T17:02:50 < englishman> with framed steel stencil
2017-06-08T17:03:04 < crt> Wanna go to the fucken pob
2017-06-08T17:03:04 < englishman> hi babe
2017-06-08T17:03:09 < crt> Hi
2017-06-08T17:03:15 < crt> Where is grey cat
2017-06-08T17:03:18 < englishman> it's rude to make fun of your hosts
2017-06-08T17:03:24 < englishman> he is inspecting the outdoor cat
2017-06-08T17:03:25 < crt> 666
2017-06-08T17:03:30 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-08T17:03:53 < englishman> i left some food outside and some kitty related to big bawlsy is munching on it
2017-06-08T17:04:09 < crt> But greydong
2017-06-08T17:04:15 < crt> Poutinecat
2017-06-08T17:04:18 < crt> :D
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2017-06-08T17:04:50 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/hCKQf0Y.jpg
2017-06-08T17:06:02 < crt> :D
2017-06-08T17:06:19 < zyp> crt, how are you enjoying europe?
2017-06-08T17:06:37 < crt> It's good
2017-06-08T17:06:52 < crt> Beer is plentiful
2017-06-08T17:06:57 < englishman> zyp, he's in uk, how is he going to know what europe is like?
2017-06-08T17:07:05 < crt> Hah
2017-06-08T17:07:12 < Getty> lol
2017-06-08T17:07:15 < zyp> :)
2017-06-08T17:07:20 < Getty> and how he knows what beer is like................
2017-06-08T17:07:26 < englishman> LOL
2017-06-08T17:07:33  * Getty is german
2017-06-08T17:07:41 < karlp> hey, perlman's back!
2017-06-08T17:07:55 < crt> Want some fucken vee bee mate
2017-06-08T17:08:14 < Getty> we should take all the pubs in UK and bring them to germany or belgium
2017-06-08T17:08:18 < Getty> that would be heaven
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2017-06-08T17:13:47 < Steffanx> Dont start to beat your wife crt
2017-06-08T17:13:57 < crt> Haha
2017-06-08T17:14:14 < crt> Peter brock mate
2017-06-08T17:14:24 < crt> He's a fucken dog
2017-06-08T17:15:33 < Steffanx> Teapot.
2017-06-08T17:18:55 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/0i4ICCH.jpg
2017-06-08T17:28:22 < rajkosto> https://i.redd.it/xcsyl43tr82z.jpg
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2017-06-08T17:29:40 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-06-08T17:48:49 < crt> Lb
2017-06-08T17:48:52 < crt> Mate
2017-06-08T17:49:00 < crt> Wtf can I do here
2017-06-08T17:49:24 < Steffanx> Wtf is here?
2017-06-08T17:49:39 < crt> Uk
2017-06-08T17:49:47 < gxti> too early for questions like that Steffanx
2017-06-08T17:52:52 < Laurenceb_> that is a an existential question
2017-06-08T17:53:16 < Laurenceb_> probably more than inAuz
2017-06-08T17:54:10 < Laurenceb_> eat fish and chips
2017-06-08T17:54:44 < Laurenceb_> watch dr who
2017-06-08T17:54:44 < Laurenceb_> wait no I wouldn't advise that
2017-06-08T17:55:16 < rajkosto> at age 6 i was born without a face
2017-06-08T17:55:28 < Steffanx> Damnit rajkosto
2017-06-08T17:56:33 < Laurenceb_> still better than usa tv
2017-06-08T17:56:44 < Steffanx> How old was your sister when she gave birth to you rajkosto ?
2017-06-08T17:56:52 < rajkosto> do you need a tissue for your issue ?
2017-06-08T17:56:55 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-06-08T17:57:01 < Laurenceb_> wait I have an idea
2017-06-08T17:57:01 < rajkosto> Steffanx, TWENTY SEVEN
2017-06-08T17:57:18 < Laurenceb_> this will take a few minutes
2017-06-08T17:57:28 < crt> Laurenceb_: where is tey leng
2017-06-08T17:57:36 < Steffanx> Use paint 3d Laurenceb
2017-06-08T17:57:40 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_:
2017-06-08T17:58:26 < Steffanx> Can you be ugly when you have no face rajkosto?
2017-06-08T17:58:34 < rajkosto> you can be the most ugly
2017-06-08T17:59:20 < Steffanx> How.
2017-06-08T17:59:25 < rajkosto> imagine someone with no face ?
2017-06-08T17:59:28 < rajkosto> thats pretty ugly, no ?
2017-06-08T17:59:57 < Steffanx> I dont know. Never seen one.
2017-06-08T18:00:04 < rajkosto> youve seen the matrix
2017-06-08T18:00:12 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9q0G64DM/video.mp4
2017-06-08T18:00:31 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-06-08T18:00:33 < Steffanx> Crt
2017-06-08T18:00:50 < rajkosto> crt, how long do you think she practiced that
2017-06-08T18:01:03 < Steffanx> I have. Butdont remember that specific scene rajkosto
2017-06-08T18:01:09 < Laurenceb_> here you go crt: https://tinyurl.com/y7cgl223
2017-06-08T18:01:17 < crt> Ty
2017-06-08T18:01:19 < rajkosto> Steffanx, well imagine that but the entire face instead of just the mouth
2017-06-08T18:01:23 < crt> What is it
2017-06-08T18:01:59 < Steffanx> His moms employer
2017-06-08T18:02:04 < crt> Haha
2017-06-08T18:03:45 < Steffanx> I do remember a scene from fringe where the eyes, mouth and noise would all grow shut/closed, but that is still a face, rajkosto
2017-06-08T18:04:03 < rajkosto> how can you be born at age 6 anyway ?
2017-06-08T18:04:14 < Steffanx> Thats irrelevant.
2017-06-08T18:04:29 < rajkosto> what if its like one of those horrible injuries where the face actually isnt there
2017-06-08T18:04:39 < Steffanx> I just assumed that was a given fact
2017-06-08T18:06:04 < Steffanx> I better stop. This is going nowhere :P
2017-06-08T18:07:33 < rajkosto> whats the cheap pcb material called
2017-06-08T18:07:39 < rajkosto> the one that's orangeish and crumbly
2017-06-08T18:08:28 < BrainDamage> bakelite?
2017-06-08T18:08:45 < rajkosto> probably
2017-06-08T18:08:50 < rajkosto> why would you use that for double sided
2017-06-08T18:09:19 < rajkosto> xbox360 controller uses it for double sided (and also uses hatched ground plane, ech)
2017-06-08T18:10:03 < sync> because it is cheap
2017-06-08T18:10:30 < Laurenceb_> FR2
2017-06-08T18:14:16 < BrainDamage> you won't see bakelite in modern suff, Laurenceb is correct and it's likely FR2
2017-06-08T18:14:28 < rajkosto> isnt bakelite a type of plastic
2017-06-08T18:15:04 < BrainDamage> yes,and it has been used as substrate for decades
2017-06-08T18:15:10 < crt> Bakelite is a fucking long word
2017-06-08T18:15:15 < crt> That's what it is
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2017-06-08T18:19:20 < rajkosto> I INVOKE THE POWER OF DORKLES BINGLETON
2017-06-08T18:26:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m29hhS8_-7A
2017-06-08T18:27:00 < rajkosto> the claustrophobic agoraphobic
2017-06-08T18:28:15 < Laurenceb_> lul top comment
2017-06-08T18:32:14 < rajkosto> how use the nRF52810
2017-06-08T18:33:08 < Laurenceb_> google actors, get: Woman reveals she is in love with a ROBOTS and wants to marry them
2017-06-08T18:33:24 < Laurenceb_> sounds about right
2017-06-08T18:33:37 < rajkosto> if you love something set it free
2017-06-08T18:33:49 < Laurenceb_> still a better plot than modern Dr Who
2017-06-08T18:33:59 < jadew> by robots she means dildos
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2017-06-08T18:35:13 < karlp> jadew: you mean this? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xufcl_add-n-to-x-metal-fingers-in-my-body_music
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2017-06-08T18:38:21 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/4HX3qn.jpg
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2017-06-08T18:41:03 < jadew> karlp, I enjoyed that
2017-06-08T18:41:15 < jadew> lol Laurenceb
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2017-06-08T18:42:29 < jadew> that's the esacpe route?
2017-06-08T18:42:51 < jadew> *in case of fire
2017-06-08T18:43:11 < karlp> find band, if a little out there at times.
2017-06-08T18:43:55 < Steffanx> Do you know beaky, rajkosto ?
2017-06-08T18:44:29 < jadew> Steffanx, any idea what he's up to these days?
2017-06-08T18:45:39 < jadew> so it turns out I need a bunch of authorizations in order to assemble these boards...
2017-06-08T18:46:09 < jadew> from fire departmen, from the environment protection agency
2017-06-08T18:46:32 < jadew> I possibly need some contracts with various companies
2017-06-08T18:46:36 < jadew> (for waste disposal)
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2017-06-08T19:11:20 < Rob235> are those ab roller thingamajigs good?
2017-06-08T19:11:29 < Rob235> better than crunches/sit ups at least
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2017-06-08T20:05:08 < upgrdman> lol, apparently a lot of idiots leave SSH on *and* never change the default password  http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-malware-enslaves-raspberry-pi-to-mine-cryptocurrency/
2017-06-08T20:05:30 < karlp> well, duh
2017-06-08T20:05:39 < karlp> this is why sane distros don't have default passwords
2017-06-08T20:09:27 < jadew> it's not that bad of a security flaw, as long as you change it after you power it on the first time
2017-06-08T20:09:45 < jadew> and preferably before connecting it to the internet
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2017-06-08T20:10:46 < crt> The research
2017-06-08T20:11:07 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kl2fiANx/IMG_0185.JPG
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2017-06-08T20:11:50 < crt> Laurenceb_:
2017-06-08T20:12:04 < jadew> I'm getting better at flying quadcopters
2017-06-08T20:12:05 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jbJmQgqy/IMG_0186.JPG
2017-06-08T20:12:11 < crt> CRAP
2017-06-08T20:13:09 < crt> Your news is hilarious
2017-06-08T20:15:03 < englishman> !wz yqb
2017-06-08T20:15:04 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-08T20:15:11 < englishman> !wz pintendre, quebec
2017-06-08T20:15:11 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-08T20:15:20 < englishman> !wz levis, quebec
2017-06-08T20:15:20 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-08T20:15:24 < englishman> fucking die
2017-06-08T20:15:31 < englishman> !wz quebec city
2017-06-08T20:15:31 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-08T20:15:41 < Simon--> !wz ;ls
2017-06-08T20:15:41 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-08T20:16:05 < englishman> !wz cyqb
2017-06-08T20:16:06 < dieforirc> [CYQB, Canada] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 26°C. SW wind: 20 kph.
2017-06-08T20:16:14 < englishman> !wz north vancouver
2017-06-08T20:16:16 < dieforirc> [North Vancouver, Canada] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 12.9°C. Humidity: 95%.
2017-06-08T20:16:21 < englishman> 12C and cloudy
2017-06-08T20:16:24 < englishman> yep, vancouver
2017-06-08T20:18:05 < crt> CRAP
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2017-06-08T20:18:57 < jadew> !wz bucharest
2017-06-08T20:18:59 < dieforirc> [Bucharest, Romania] Rain. Temp is 19.4°C. NNE wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 79%.
2017-06-08T20:19:10 < jadew> sounds nice
2017-06-08T20:19:21 < crt> Krapp
2017-06-08T20:19:45 < jadew> who's bot is it?
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2017-06-08T20:21:58 < crt> Die for KRAPP
2017-06-08T20:22:07 < crt> SUP LAUENC
2017-06-08T20:22:49 < Laurenceb_> muh internets are broken
2017-06-08T20:22:49 < Laurenceb_> reeee
2017-06-08T20:23:23 < crt> Why
2017-06-08T20:23:33 < crt> Reeeeeeee
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2017-06-08T20:25:41 < englishman> ukip busy installing anti-crypto filter
2017-06-08T20:29:02 < crt> Lol
2017-06-08T20:29:10 < crt> Where is lb's pic
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2017-06-08T20:30:56 < crt> Ddosed by 8ch
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2017-06-08T20:40:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/dd-composite-cor-bin21.jpg?strip=all&w=750&quality=100
2017-06-08T20:40:06 < crt> Lil blaxter
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2017-06-08T20:45:43 < crt> Lol
2017-06-08T20:46:05 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/26jcfG6q/IMG_0185.JPG
2017-06-08T20:46:21 < crt> CRAPPPPPP
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2017-06-08T20:52:35 < Steffanx> crt is a little of. Better get well fast
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2017-06-08T20:57:34 < Steffanx> no, no clue what he's up to jadew. Only when people ask stuff like "how use the nRF52810" i got reminded of him.
2017-06-08T20:58:28 < englishman> beaky is gone, but what happened to baird
2017-06-08T20:58:44 < Steffanx> baird when on some weird bike trip
2017-06-08T20:59:13 < Steffanx> and now he posts pics and text of him using some obscure hw and writing assembly on twatter.
2017-06-08T21:00:29 < Steffanx> I know because i follow him on twitteur
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2017-06-08T21:01:32 < englishman> le twitteur
2017-06-08T21:02:20 < Steffanx> Da
2017-06-08T21:02:32 < englishman> my lora boards arrive today
2017-06-08T21:02:39 < englishman> im sure il have 2km transmissions within 24hr
2017-06-08T21:02:43 < englishman> UNLIKE AXSEM
2017-06-08T21:04:10 < englishman> https://octopart.com/lis3mdltr-stmicroelectronics-29403125
2017-06-08T21:04:11 < englishman> rip
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2017-06-08T21:10:00 < englishman> https://github.com/tramplersheikhs/cherub
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2017-06-08T21:16:32  * Laurenceb_ just finished watching Venus Fly Trap 
2017-06-08T21:16:36 < Laurenceb_> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1511148/
2017-06-08T21:16:44 < Laurenceb_> other stuff from the same guy
2017-06-08T21:22:06 < Laurenceb_> dunno how it got on youtube, goes rule 34 half way through
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2017-06-08T21:37:35 < Steffanx> *went
2017-06-08T21:37:58 < Steffanx> Took some long time for the lora to get to you englishman...
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2017-06-08T21:42:23 < qyx> englishman: I am going to beat that 2km with AXSEM
2017-06-08T21:43:21 < qyx> fuk lora, much closed
2017-06-08T21:54:58 < Laurenceb_> just use silabs with 2fsk
2017-06-08T21:55:26 < Laurenceb_> only loose a dew dB but get proper AFC
2017-06-08T21:57:43 < Thorn> what is CMSIS/Lib/GCC/libarm_cortexM0l_math.a etc. in cube libs?
2017-06-08T22:09:33 < jpa-> wouldn't objdump say what they contain?
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2017-06-08T22:24:58 < crt> Proper English
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2017-06-08T22:38:55 < upgrdman> how do i do mouse bites in altidongs? just place a bunch of pads, not plated, multi-layer?
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2017-06-08T22:44:54 < Steffanx> Time to kill those rats Guest43220
2017-06-08T22:45:04 < Steffanx> Define proper english, crt
2017-06-08T22:45:15 < Steffanx> Do you speak proper english or do they in tha ukland?
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2017-06-08T22:47:26 < englishman> Steffanx: well i only ordered pcbs last friday
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2017-06-08T22:47:55 < englishman> qyx: you have yet to AXSEM->AXSEM right? after weeks? i wish you good luck and many autisms
2017-06-08T22:48:21 < Steffanx> I get the idea they will kill of those chips anyway
2017-06-08T22:48:25 < Steffanx> Why else wouldnt you release docs
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2017-06-08T23:16:01 < qyx> englishman: I haven't touched it since the last time
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2017-06-09T00:38:33 < ohsix> rajkosto: wut
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2017-06-09T01:09:12 < kakimir> how about fixing your connection Laurenceb_
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2017-06-09T01:13:10 < kakimir> how about
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2017-06-09T01:23:20 < Laurenceb_> Holy shit. My mummy came into my room to bring me a plate of fish n chips and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of fish n chips out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fu
2017-06-09T01:23:20 < Laurenceb_> ck is she losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want May to be prime minister and fix this broken country.
2017-06-09T01:29:58 < sync> Laurenceb_: pls no copypasta
2017-06-09T01:30:38 < Laurenceb_> I have whole folders of copypaste
2017-06-09T01:31:18 < ohsix> huh i'm at a presentation for some defense contractor outreach thing
2017-06-09T01:31:33 < ohsix> dunno if i mentioned those silly headphones, but the guy from the company is here
2017-06-09T01:32:07 < ohsix> https://www.dubslabs.com/ enjoy
2017-06-09T01:32:21 < ohsix> i'm going to have to stop talking shit about some of this stuff cuz i'll end up doing business with then :o
2017-06-09T01:32:38 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: 23:45 < ohsix> Laurenceb: https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872661171576467456 dig tabs
2017-06-09T01:33:13 < ohsix> dongs: beep these guys are money and after drone shit, any drone shit
2017-06-09T01:33:20 < ohsix> literally anything, come get some money
2017-06-09T01:35:06 < ohsix> i'll post a picture of one o fthe lol slides later
2017-06-09T01:35:12 < ohsix> time correlation is going to get me into trouble
2017-06-09T01:36:38 < ohsix> also they take 'blockchain technology' seriously
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2017-06-09T01:39:52 < ohsix> talking shit about silicon valley now
2017-06-09T01:40:02 < ohsix> and the 'level of innovation' being so much better in this corridor
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2017-06-09T01:51:26 < ohsix> man they're talking like they're extremely loose with money
2017-06-09T01:51:36 < ohsix> they 'dont' pick winners and losers'
2017-06-09T01:51:53 < ohsix> is this what happens when you get close to government work
2017-06-09T01:56:10 < hetii> Could someone tell me what I miss to trigger usart dma transfer into local buffer? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24811289? DMA1_Channel4_5_IRQHandler() is never called :-(
2017-06-09T01:59:08 < ohsix> haha there's a lot of dog related stuff, they just mentioned being able to throw a dog from a plane at 30k feet and give it enough oxygen for the trip
2017-06-09T01:59:40 < ohsix> lots of 3d printing stuff too
2017-06-09T02:00:57 < englishman> qyx: this si1133 has a really cool package
2017-06-09T02:01:05 < englishman> its a dfn, but the epoxy is totally clear
2017-06-09T02:01:13 < englishman> so you can see bondwires from all sides
2017-06-09T02:01:33 < englishman> even pin1 is indicated by a funny shaped pad in the package
2017-06-09T02:05:26 < ohsix> i lolled at this when i was at the tech resource fair, but i just saw it again
2017-06-09T02:05:26 < ohsix> GreenFig is a Micro Education company providing microdegrees in applied business science.
2017-06-09T02:05:38 < ohsix> also they're supposed to be speaking but i guess they aren't, or did before i arrived
2017-06-09T02:05:49 < ohsix> microdegrees in applied business science ;D
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2017-06-09T04:06:13 < Laurenceb__> Bookies: Jeremy Corbyn is now favourite to be Prime Minister.
2017-06-09T04:06:20 < Laurenceb__> DailyStormer wins again
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2017-06-09T04:15:18 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04
2017-06-09T04:16:36 < jadew> 10% of chinese cooking oil is gutter oil
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2017-06-09T04:17:49 < jadew> so if you go to china and your meal tastes funny, maybe that's why
2017-06-09T04:22:48 < branjb> are software engineer jobs hard to fill or something?  not looking for one and just non stop recruiter spam
2017-06-09T04:23:08 < jadew> they are
2017-06-09T04:23:44 < jadew> mainly because most software engineers suck
2017-06-09T04:23:46 < branjb> wish i was getting non stop spam for hardware jobs
2017-06-09T04:24:29 < branjb> probably because spending 8 hours/day 5 days/week in front of an IDE writing code sounds miserable
2017-06-09T04:24:42 < jadew> it is
2017-06-09T04:24:52 < jadew> but that's not why
2017-06-09T04:25:08 < jadew> it's simply because most people are not smart enough to do it
2017-06-09T04:25:18 < jadew> it's simply not a job for mediocre minds
2017-06-09T04:25:44 < branjb> haha
2017-06-09T04:26:22 < jadew> and what makes it worse is that it's not enough to just be smart, you have to be dedicated too
2017-06-09T04:27:12 < branjb> i don't mind writing firmware for boards i design, but it's definitely not what i want my sole purpose to be
2017-06-09T04:27:26 < jadew> yeah, it's a shit job
2017-06-09T04:27:34 < jadew> and it's not paid well anymore
2017-06-09T04:27:54 < branjb> hardware/embedded design jobs seem harder to find though
2017-06-09T04:28:01 < branjb> either way more applicants or just not as many
2017-06-09T04:28:06 < jadew> because there are so many devs out there and new employers don't have the ability to make the difference between a good developer and a bad one
2017-06-09T04:28:16 < jadew> so you end up competing with everyone, bad and good
2017-06-09T04:30:13 < jadew> I don't think engineering is a good career path either
2017-06-09T04:30:40 < jadew> not going to be worth much in the future
2017-06-09T04:30:54 < branjb> i enjoy it as a hobby but it definitely seems like a saturated market
2017-06-09T04:31:01 < jadew> yep
2017-06-09T04:31:18 < branjb> i'm trying to specifically target defense companies since you can't outsource that shit
2017-06-09T04:32:21 < jadew> probably a good idea
2017-06-09T04:39:30 < jadew> http://www.odditycentral.com/news/latest-fake-in-china-concrete-filled-wallnuts.html
2017-06-09T04:39:34 < jadew> http://www.odditycentral.com/news/chinese-beef-extract-turns-pork-into-beef-in-just-90-minutes.html
2017-06-09T04:40:31 < branjb> lol
2017-06-09T04:41:12 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cgSIH8uuV8
2017-06-09T04:41:32 < jadew> no wonder the chinese are buying a lot of stuff from here and sending them back to china
2017-06-09T04:41:43 < jadew> like powder milk, for babies
2017-06-09T04:41:59 < jadew> they buy entire stocks
2017-06-09T05:07:03 < ohsix> Hello. the OV7670 module price is wrong... you can cancel this payment? sorry
2017-06-09T05:07:07 < ohsix> glad i ordered 3 then
2017-06-09T05:14:55 < jadew> any good quadcopter simulators?
2017-06-09T05:17:56 < englishman> nope
2017-06-09T05:19:43 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMedufnaDb8 i worked on this
2017-06-09T05:20:05 < ohsix> jadew: flightgear? one of the regular sims would be the thing, no?
2017-06-09T05:20:17 < ohsix> other shit i can think of is robot simulation stuff
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2017-06-09T05:20:58 < jadew> I want something that simulates the simplest drones
2017-06-09T05:21:12 < jadew> so you standing still and the drone being in the distance
2017-06-09T05:21:16 < englishman> theres a bunch of games but no sims
2017-06-09T05:21:37 < ohsix> https://wiki.paparazziuav.org/wiki/FlightGear is a place to at least start, they've got a model or two
2017-06-09T05:22:03 < ohsix> what do you want to do with the sim ? you can just get one of those tiny drones cheap
2017-06-09T05:22:19 < jadew> yeah, I think I'll just get one of those and fly it around the room
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2017-06-09T05:29:05 < vonnieda> Hi folks, I am pretty new to STM32. I am playing with a stm32f302c8t6 which is supposed to have 16K SRAM, but st-util and st-info are showing 40K. I'm also getting strange debug errors, which I think might be related. This sound familiar to anyone?
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2017-06-09T06:02:59 < upgrdman> a dongie meme  https://i.redd.it/trd8l90vlh2z.jpg
2017-06-09T06:11:08 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/hmmm/comments/6g4lrb/hmmm/
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2017-06-09T06:29:47 < upgrdman> ok serious question. anyone know why subway (metro) maps are styled into 90degree/45degree lines, instead of showing their true paths?
2017-06-09T06:39:11 < rk[ghost]> @software engineers suck: imo, the main drive of this exponential decay is that companies allow them to. so the bar just keeps dropping.
2017-06-09T06:40:03 < aandrew> upgrdman: probably because lots of people would be utterly unable to comprehend them
2017-06-09T06:40:46 < upgrdman> aandrew, ?
2017-06-09T06:40:59 < upgrdman> seems like it would be more clear
2017-06-09T06:41:05 < aandrew> no, I don't think so
2017-06-09T06:41:07 < aandrew> not at all
2017-06-09T06:41:16 < upgrdman> hmm k
2017-06-09T06:41:26 < aandrew> by stylizing it you get to place the points all equidistant, really clean things up and make it clear
2017-06-09T06:41:54 < upgrdman> ok eqidistant makes sense.
2017-06-09T06:44:25 < branjb> rk[ghost]: it seems to be driven by recruiters/HR/hiring managers too
2017-06-09T06:45:30 < branjb> i keep getting recruiters who send me to hiring managers for interviews for shit i have no clue about
2017-06-09T06:46:01 < branjb> had FreeRTOS on my resume and that alone triggered an interview for some windy river shit i had never heard of
2017-06-09T06:46:17 < aandrew> 99% of recruiters are shit
2017-06-09T06:46:19 < aandrew> total shit
2017-06-09T06:46:30 < englishman> well
2017-06-09T06:46:30 < branjb> lol
2017-06-09T06:46:38 < englishman> 99% of employees are total shit
2017-06-09T06:46:45 < branjb> i had one yesterday just start reading job descriptions to me and asking if it sounded like something i could do
2017-06-09T06:46:49 < dongs> sup doges
2017-06-09T06:47:06 < dongs>  < upgrdman> how do i do mouse bites in altidongs? just place a bunch of pads, not plated, multi-layer?
2017-06-09T06:47:10 < dongs> lol i got highlighted by this
2017-06-09T06:47:14 < branjb> englishman do you work for yourself
2017-06-09T06:47:15 < upgrdman> sorry
2017-06-09T06:47:27 < upgrdman> dongs, i guy nig rig'd it the way i mentioned.
2017-06-09T06:47:27 < englishman> branjb its only work if you dont enjoy it
2017-06-09T06:47:31 < upgrdman> worked for my small rpoject
2017-06-09T06:47:40 < dongs> are you makign your own panels or something?
2017-06-09T06:47:41 < branjb> what's it like to be a free man?
2017-06-09T06:47:49 < dongs> cuz usually i just mspaint the shit and send it off to fab
2017-06-09T06:47:54 < englishman> you mean a man living anywhere outside of the usa? pretty good
2017-06-09T06:47:56 < dongs> and they do the right thing
2017-06-09T06:48:04 < upgrdman> dongs, well i have 3 pcbs that i fit into a 100x100mm PCB to make a cheap prototype
2017-06-09T06:48:11 < dongs> right, fucking cheap nigger
2017-06-09T06:48:16 < englishman> haha
2017-06-09T06:48:18 < upgrdman> a 50x50mm pcb, a 40x30mm, and a 40x25mm
2017-06-09T06:48:23 < englishman> 10x10cm is $5 bro
2017-06-09T06:48:27 < englishman> arent you in cali and shit
2017-06-09T06:48:30 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-09T06:48:39 < englishman> man americans have it rough
2017-06-09T06:48:42 < englishman> haggling over $5
2017-06-09T06:48:45 < branjb> lol
2017-06-09T06:48:47 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-09T06:48:54 < upgrdman> my boss doesnt care about the money
2017-06-09T06:48:57 < englishman> doing *work* to avoid paying a lil extra
2017-06-09T06:49:14 < englishman> clearly he does if hes ordering chinapcb in the first place
2017-06-09T06:49:17 < upgrdman> we just spent >$6K on some made-in-usa pcbs+assembly... for like 10 boards
2017-06-09T06:49:18 < dongs> ^
2017-06-09T06:49:34 < upgrdman> but it was a worthwhile learning experience
2017-06-09T06:49:35 < englishman> should have gone with englismanfab, faggot
2017-06-09T06:49:38 < upgrdman> know how to panelize
2017-06-09T06:49:47 < upgrdman> englishman, link to your fab?
2017-06-09T06:49:54 < englishman> /query englishman
2017-06-09T06:49:59 < branjb> can you cut dong shaped pcbs?
2017-06-09T06:52:29 < rk[ghost]> branjb: it is driven by every level of the stack. even once hired, so many bad practices are used that garbage developers learn more garbage techniques.
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2017-06-09T06:52:54 < upgrdman> anyway, panelized was good ASIDE from being a cheap nig. it'll make paste application quicker... having to stencil only one board instead of three
2017-06-09T06:52:59 < dongs> its easy to tell a garbage developer
2017-06-09T06:53:00 < rk[ghost]> i am personally ashamed (previously being in the industry) to how low the bar is.
2017-06-09T06:53:11 < dongs> knows: php, ruby, python
2017-06-09T06:53:12 < branjb> what do you do now?
2017-06-09T06:53:14 < dongs> doesn't know: c
2017-06-09T06:53:23 < dongs> -> garbage developer
2017-06-09T06:53:27 < rk[ghost]> branjb: well, i farmed last summer.
2017-06-09T06:53:39 < rk[ghost]> now, i am just on a spiritual journey;P
2017-06-09T06:53:46 < branjb> how's that pay?
2017-06-09T06:53:53 < aandrew> I'm managing two contractors (while being a contractor at a company) and these two guys are both numbskulls
2017-06-09T06:54:04 < rk[ghost]> i want to farm, but i realized to have my dreams in such field that i need my own land
2017-06-09T06:54:06 < dongs> ask them to write a quick hack in python
2017-06-09T06:54:29 < rk[ghost]> so very likely i will return to the programming circus and earn $ for a few years to then retire to my passions
2017-06-09T06:54:32 < englishman> dongs did you boop chinagirl
2017-06-09T06:54:35 < englishman> srs lacking of that IC
2017-06-09T06:54:48 < branjb> if i see python on job postings i just close it
2017-06-09T06:54:51 < dongs> did you know? nothing professional is ever written in python. everything is a quick hack, written in a way to never be read again
2017-06-09T06:54:56 < englishman> hate to bother :(
2017-06-09T06:54:56 < dongs> englishman: o yea lemme see
2017-06-09T06:54:59 < englishman> thx
2017-06-09T06:55:15 < rk[ghost]> dongs: quick hacks often get supported for life
2017-06-09T06:55:18 < rk[ghost]> that is the biggest issue!
2017-06-09T06:55:25 < dongs> rk[ghost]: exactly my point
2017-06-09T06:55:29 < dongs> python is on version 2 or 3 now
2017-06-09T06:55:35 < dongs> when it should have never left that faggot mexicans basement
2017-06-09T06:55:45 < dongs> englishman: how many
2017-06-09T06:55:52 < englishman> 150?
2017-06-09T06:55:58 < dongs> kay
2017-06-09T06:56:27 < englishman> pretty sure prices will have gone up :(
2017-06-09T06:57:03 < dongs> no doubt, F103 went up as well
2017-06-09T06:57:13 < dongs> now that all retards moved to even dumber shit
2017-06-09T06:57:21 < branjb> Go
2017-06-09T06:57:25 < englishman> i think ST just stopped fabbing
2017-06-09T06:57:28 < englishman> to save money
2017-06-09T06:57:28 < dongs> soon i might have to just start throwing F401 everywhere
2017-06-09T06:57:36 < dongs> instead of F103
2017-06-09T06:58:28 < dongs> englishman: st cant stop fabbing f103 its like their most common chip
2017-06-09T06:58:43 < englishman> did you know that honeywell chip is still available everywhere
2017-06-09T06:58:52 < dongs> HMC5983?
2017-06-09T06:58:57 < englishman> i switched to this st shit expecting it to be gone
2017-06-09T06:59:00 < rk[ghost]> i find that most programmers that have any intelligence realize the scam of the current system. if only they/we could stop worshipping money and band together to actually do something about it..
2017-06-09T06:59:15 < dongs> not realy "available" last buy was like last november
2017-06-09T06:59:32 < englishman> yep
2017-06-09T06:59:43 < englishman> but "next buy" on that st is 32 weeks
2017-06-09T06:59:55 < rk[ghost]> ya'll do STM32 jazz in ASM or use higher level languages?
2017-06-09T07:00:07 < englishman> asm, uh its not 1985
2017-06-09T07:00:24 < branjb> i just use machine code
2017-06-09T07:01:20 < dongs> 2.15 @ 150
2017-06-09T07:01:24 < englishman> sigh
2017-06-09T07:01:43 < dongs> 5983 is higher so...
2017-06-09T07:01:46 < dongs> i dont see how thats a problem :p
2017-06-09T07:01:46 < englishman> hm
2017-06-09T07:01:48 < englishman> well
2017-06-09T07:01:53 < englishman> can she get em
2017-06-09T07:01:55 < dongs> yes
2017-06-09T07:01:59 < englishman> il place an order for more shit tomorrow
2017-06-09T07:02:01 < dongs> ok
2017-06-09T07:02:10 < englishman> other easy stuff
2017-06-09T07:02:37 < dongs> should I tell her to reserve that shit so tim innovator doesn't swipe it fro under you?
2017-06-09T07:02:53 < englishman> yes plz
2017-06-09T07:02:55 < dongs> ok
2017-06-09T07:02:59 < englishman> or, samsung or something
2017-06-09T07:03:08 < dongs> or JEWTENDO
2017-06-09T07:03:15 < dongs> o wait, they dodn't even put accelerometer in ditch
2017-06-09T07:03:16 < englishman> no they dont make anything
2017-06-09T07:03:28 < englishman> they do like 1 run of hardware at launch
2017-06-09T07:03:32 < englishman> and call it quits
2017-06-09T07:03:34 < dongs> heh
2017-06-09T07:05:56 < englishman> ever seen a chip with a clear epoxy IC package
2017-06-09T07:05:59 < englishman> pretty cool
2017-06-09T07:07:39 < dongs> yeah, TCS[something} ambient light/color sensor stuff is like that
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2017-06-09T08:06:09 < dongs> heh qtouch shit looks funny on scope
2017-06-09T08:06:25 < dongs> its like a pulsetrain falling down from vcc to about 1/2 vcc
2017-06-09T08:06:44 < dongs> 10ms long
2017-06-09T08:07:02 < englishman> same as tsc?
2017-06-09T08:07:09 < dongs> is it? ive never measured tsc
2017-06-09T08:07:16 < englishman> just counting how many cycles to fill a cap
2017-06-09T08:07:45 < englishman> or maybe in qtouch's case (no idea) how many to empty?
2017-06-09T08:07:56 < dongs> i cant fucking save a screenshot from tek because i dont have any fat32 usb sticks
2017-06-09T08:07:59 < dongs> only ntfs
2017-06-09T08:08:01 < dongs> fucking
2017-06-09T08:11:29 < dongs> finally found a 4gb flash stick
2017-06-09T08:12:22 < englishman> ha, japs bought boston dynamics
2017-06-09T08:12:46 < englishman> finally going to make aiibo
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2017-06-09T08:30:30 < ohsix>  irc
2017-06-09T08:30:31 < ohsix> er
2017-06-09T08:36:03 < dongs> haha
2017-06-09T08:36:03 < dongs> wat
2017-06-09T08:36:16 < dongs> ahaha
2017-06-09T08:36:17 < dongs> softbank what
2017-06-09T08:36:19 < dongs> w t f
2017-06-09T08:37:48 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/usmm1 anytway this is qt shit
2017-06-09T08:38:11 < ohsix> pal who is moving from connecticut to bend this month got me a big box 'o vacuum tubies
2017-06-09T08:38:24 < dongs> donn y  some channels are 50k some 37k
2017-06-09T08:53:25 < upgrdman> dongs, does it rain a lot in the summer in japan, like in cn
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2017-06-09T09:19:42 < zyp> upgrdman, how much is a lot?
2017-06-09T09:19:53 < upgrdman> like 2 - 4 times a week
2017-06-09T09:20:06 < upgrdman> like you need to keep an umbrella with you ~all summer
2017-06-09T09:21:17 < zyp> in my experience, it varies
2017-06-09T09:21:57 < zyp> apparently they have this "rainy season" shit at the start of summer
2017-06-09T09:22:07 < zyp> where it rains often
2017-06-09T09:22:22 < zyp> but I'm not sure how consistent it really is, I haven't really found a pattern to it
2017-06-09T09:23:42 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-09T09:23:46 < zyp> idk about having to keep an umbrella with you all the time, they sell $1 umbrellas everywhere
2017-06-09T09:24:03 < zyp> although I usually just keep a foldable one in my bag
2017-06-09T09:24:06 < upgrdman> well ya but buying a $1 umbrella like 50 times a year...
2017-06-09T09:24:18 < upgrdman> ya me too. a little 200mm thinggy
2017-06-09T09:24:23 < zyp> hehe
2017-06-09T09:25:09 < zyp> I remember this one trip, my friend bought like four or five umbrellas because he got caught out in rain and always left the umbrella(s) in the room
2017-06-09T09:25:54 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-09T09:25:55 < ohsix> what's new
2017-06-09T09:26:45 < zyp> but idk, in my experience it doesn't really seem to rain more in japan than in norway
2017-06-09T09:27:03 < zyp> maybe it seems like it rains a lot if you're living in a desert
2017-06-09T09:27:33 < upgrdman> so cal spoiled the fuck out of me. i have an umbrella but ~never use it. its get VERY dusty just sitting around.
2017-06-09T09:28:30 < zyp> to be fair, I don't really use umbrellas in norway either
2017-06-09T09:28:33 < upgrdman> oh ya speaking of rain. anyone know of a decent but not expesive backpack that is water resistant
2017-06-09T09:29:07 < zyp> when it's raining I'm usually sitting indoors, driving or wearing waterproof clothes
2017-06-09T09:29:10 < upgrdman> rained like hell in cn one day, had my backpack on, forgot its plastic fabric is porous, and fuck my MBPr got wet as fuck (but no damage luckily)
2017-06-09T09:29:48 < zyp> it's just that japan is too hot in the summer to wear a raincoat
2017-06-09T09:29:55 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB1i9ffXsAE9a49.jpg:large
2017-06-09T09:30:13 < upgrdman> ya its like 40C and 98% RH in shanghai during the summer
2017-06-09T09:30:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: no idea on specifically waterproof but if you get 1 with tight ass stitching and stuff
2017-06-09T09:30:45 < ohsix> get one of those nice slip cases for a laptop, just protect the laptop
2017-06-09T09:31:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, well i'd like my other shit to not get MOIST AS FUCK too  :)
2017-06-09T09:31:21 < zyp> especially if you keep papers and shit in there as well
2017-06-09T09:31:35 < ohsix> bonus: they look real nice http://trekkerleather.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Kodiak-Laptop-Case-RoofAngleTEXT-25.jpg
2017-06-09T09:31:51 < ohsix> ah shrug, fair enough; advice still stands, i bought a shitty backpack for dumb reasons ;]
2017-06-09T09:32:05 < zyp> should be plenty of backpacks around with welded seams
2017-06-09T09:32:16 < ohsix> you can get one that has a pocket for papers too
2017-06-09T09:32:26 < ohsix> another angle might be just getting a messenger bag
2017-06-09T09:32:28 < zyp> don't have experience with any in particular though
2017-06-09T09:32:42 < ohsix> they usually have the one flap that goes over and keeps stuff out of the bag
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2017-06-09T10:01:35 < Steffanx> Crt that guy has nothing to laugh about. UKIP lost its one and only seat i believe.
2017-06-09T10:02:39 < ohsix> ReadError: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Portable-Mini-16-Leds-LED-Flash-Fill-Light-For-iPhone-IOS-Android-Smartphone-Mini-Spotlight/32802232212.html these have lion cells in them and are just handy as a flashlight (olol)
2017-06-09T10:02:51 < ohsix> break off the trs or find out how to trigger it via
2017-06-09T10:03:59 < ReadError> cheap
2017-06-09T10:05:19 < dongs> lewl this qtouch trash must be running on a fucking AVR internally
2017-06-09T10:05:28 < dongs> it needs microsecond delays between each SPI byte
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2017-06-09T10:07:54 < Steffanx> U no use stm32 touch?!
2017-06-09T10:10:27 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/uDP8pkj.gifv
2017-06-09T10:11:46 < Steffanx> Not giving a damn \o/
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2017-06-09T10:23:05 < Laurenceb__> https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/a1Mb4LP_700b.jpg
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2017-06-09T10:40:18 < fest> related: local gas station rebranding efforts: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18839167_1389064057838007_7457919675779517697_n.jpg?oh=41c57871aacfef227cb54405f542ecb9&oe=59E11121
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2017-06-09T10:59:21 < ohsix> https://1bitsquared.com/products/superbit-cyrf-module neat
2017-06-09T11:01:35 < fest> hasn't hobbyist RC marked shrunk considerably in the last few years?
2017-06-09T11:04:06 < Steffanx> Not when you include those with a chinese flying object.
2017-06-09T11:04:46 < Steffanx> But i dont think you meant that with "hobbyist RC market"
2017-06-09T11:07:00 < fest> yeah, I mean people building their own quads and planes
2017-06-09T11:08:48 < fest> coworker had (or still has) a side buisiness making some analog video osd's and shit like that and he says the orders are really dwindling down
2017-06-09T11:11:09 < Steffanx> Some here in the business as well.
2017-06-09T11:11:17 < Steffanx> That*
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2017-06-09T11:15:28 < stukdev> hi, anybody have try the powerstep01? I tested it, but i can heart a noise when the motor is stopped in a 1_16 of step
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2017-06-09T11:18:07 < zyp> stukdev, and?
2017-06-09T11:18:42 < stukdev> and this is a problem :) becouse another product don't do the same problem :)
2017-06-09T11:19:15 < stukdev> if i use full step, i hear no noise, but using 1_16 and stopped the motor ia a uStep, i hear the noise
2017-06-09T11:19:34 < stukdev> is there anyone have see this problem?
2017-06-09T11:22:15 < zyp> noisy motors during microstepping is very common, no?
2017-06-09T11:22:31 < zyp> what pwm freq are you running?
2017-06-09T11:23:54 < zyp> I guess the typical solution is to just get the pwm freq out of the audible range
2017-06-09T11:48:41 < aandrew> wtc
2017-06-09T11:48:43 < aandrew> wtf
2017-06-09T11:48:53 < aandrew> I can do an ADC conversion on a pin, but if I try to read VBAT it times out?
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2017-06-09T11:52:29 < aandrew> dongs: you ever see that shit before?
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2017-06-09T12:04:42 < aandrew> lol
2017-06-09T12:04:43 < aandrew> fail
2017-06-09T12:05:05 < aandrew> ADCHandleTypeDef *adcHandle;
2017-06-09T12:05:19 < aandrew> void adc_get_handle(void) { return &adcHandle; }
2017-06-09T12:05:27 < aandrew> I don't know what's the bigger fail
2017-06-09T12:05:51 < aandrew> me for returning a pointer to a pointer or HAL for NOT FUCKING ERRORING OUT despite it checking the validity of EVERY FUCKING BIT before touching the hardware
2017-06-09T12:06:03 < aandrew> hurr durr yeah the handle looks good man, go for it
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2017-06-09T12:14:21 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrProiZCYAASp1p.jpg:large
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2017-06-09T12:42:47 < crt> Touring nigger bus
2017-06-09T12:50:00 < crt> Would have rather spent the money on smack
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2017-06-09T13:12:02 < Steffanx> Dont do that crt.
2017-06-09T13:15:13 < rajkosto> aandrew, did you have a cast somewhere
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2017-06-09T13:17:19 < rajkosto> or was it just a warning in C for some reason
2017-06-09T13:24:50 < karlp> aandrew: were you hoping they were checking that the handle address was actually in the peripheral space? and not just not null?
2017-06-09T13:26:16 < zyp> aandrew, biggest fail is obviously that a void function is trying to return anything
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2017-06-09T13:39:04 < c10ud^> compiler should complain about that
2017-06-09T13:51:31 < fest> any recommendations for a multimeter test lead kit to probe small things? i.e. ~0.4mm pitch
2017-06-09T13:52:48 < ReadError> probemasters are gr8
2017-06-09T13:53:05 < ReadError> very sharp, can do some tattoos with em
2017-06-09T13:55:04 < tpw_rules> i have fluke's extended test lead kit and they have some probes like that
2017-06-09T13:55:17 < tpw_rules> they're like four inches long but very sharp and fine
2017-06-09T13:56:59 < fest> probemasters don't seem to be available on digikey/farnell/mouser
2017-06-09T13:57:06 < fest> tpw_rules: like these http://lv.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/42257812.jpg ?
2017-06-09T13:57:18 < tpw_rules> yes
2017-06-09T13:57:22 < tpw_rules> the bottom left ones
2017-06-09T13:57:31 < tpw_rules> there's a bunch of other big and small probes in the kit too
2017-06-09T13:57:46 < tpw_rules> like unless that's a smaller kit, that's only two of like 15 pieces
2017-06-09T13:58:00 < fest> cool, thanks
2017-06-09T13:58:21 < dongs> < aandrew> void adc_get_handle(void) { return &adcHandle; }
2017-06-09T13:58:24 < dongs> thats gotta be gcc
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2017-06-09T14:22:22 < Steffanx> Or he didnt copy the code, but wrote it in his irc client
2017-06-09T14:33:09 < zyp> dongs, did you dick around with ibeacon shit?
2017-06-09T14:40:27 < dongs> yeha
2017-06-09T14:40:29 < dongs> briefly
2017-06-09T14:40:34 < Thorn> what pwm frequency do I use to output 8kHz 16 bit (decoded from 4-bit adpcm) audio if my timer is clocked @ 48MHz
2017-06-09T14:40:36 < dongs> it looked useless as fuck
2017-06-09T14:40:57 < Thorn> 48kHz @ 10 bit resolution, 24kHz @ 11 bits?
2017-06-09T14:43:59 < zyp> dongs, I saw some shit yesterday that talked about indoor positioning by triangulating from ibeacons
2017-06-09T14:44:24 < zyp> kinda tempted to pick up some to dick with that, but I'm not sure how usable that'd be
2017-06-09T14:45:18 < sync> pls no
2017-06-09T14:45:29 < Thorn> I read about worker tracking in a warehouse, everybody gets an ibeacon in their ass^H^H^Hpocket, receivers installed on the ceiling
2017-06-09T14:45:58 < c10ud^> holy fuck, for what?
2017-06-09T14:46:05 < c10ud^> iot slavery?
2017-06-09T14:46:59 < zyp> safety perhaps?
2017-06-09T14:47:05 < sync> zyp: we tred making something like that work in a big ferry
2017-06-09T14:47:06 < Thorn> for Bezos wannabes I guess
2017-06-09T14:48:13 < zyp> old company I worked for had a project for tracking workers on tunnel boring projects, so they knew when areas were evacuated and not
2017-06-09T14:48:28 < zyp> not sure how it worked, I didn't work on that project
2017-06-09T14:49:43 < zyp> so anyway, does ibeacon only measure rssi, or can it do time of flight stuff to estimate distance?
2017-06-09T14:50:14 < Thorn> rssi only
2017-06-09T14:50:41 < Thorn> beacons transmit their signal level @ 1m in the packet
2017-06-09T14:51:14 < zyp> okay, that doesn't sound very reliable
2017-06-09T14:51:20 < sync> it isn't
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2017-06-09T15:00:08 < Thorn> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13337402 <- they use a 2nd radio for time of flight
2017-06-09T15:04:08 < sync> ah
2017-06-09T15:04:22 < sync> so they added decawave
2017-06-09T15:04:27 < sync> yeah, that was our solution as well
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2017-06-09T15:17:42 < crt> Tour
2017-06-09T15:17:58 < crt> The fucken dredger that's what I call it
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2017-06-09T15:19:43 < crt> The bus which missed a beat
2017-06-09T15:20:03 < crt> Got off at Westminster abbey
2017-06-09T15:20:26 < crt> Cut my lossses and drink I say
2017-06-09T15:22:38 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tzA07wgY/IMG_0267.JPG
2017-06-09T15:30:01 < zyp> crt, I heard you messed up the election yesterday
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2017-06-09T15:37:42 < karlp> where by messed up you mean, made it better?
2017-06-09T15:39:31 < zyp> no, may is still in charge
2017-06-09T15:40:53 < karlp> well what does "messed up" mean then?
2017-06-09T15:41:55 < zyp> haha, don't read too much into it
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2017-06-09T17:26:41 < englishman> wow, people are paying money per video (pay per view) to watch other people play video games
2017-06-09T17:26:50 < englishman> this economy is truly amazing
2017-06-09T17:27:22 < c10ud^> what a time to be alive
2017-06-09T17:31:07 < crt> Fuckin dogs maaaate
2017-06-09T17:39:01 < Thorn> what kind of "GPS tracking device" are they using https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or8l1dHgZjA
2017-06-09T17:39:38 < Thorn> he even blurred the laptop screen lol. must be top secret shit
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2017-06-09T18:26:49 < Laurenceb__> is crt coming oooop 't' north?
2017-06-09T18:30:20 < crt> You fucking wot mate
2017-06-09T18:30:31 < crt> Been in fucking lundun all Danes
2017-06-09T18:31:11 < crt> Is that a semiautomatic assault rifle or are you just ala snackbar
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2017-06-09T18:32:42 < crt> Jaime Oliver
2017-06-09T18:32:47 < crt> Who is that cunt
2017-06-09T18:33:09 < crt> Want a pizza alright mate how's about a FUCKING BOOK THEN
2017-06-09T18:41:31 < crt> Tendies bro?
2017-06-09T18:42:35 < crt> EVERYONE HERE IS MAD AS A CUT SNAKE
2017-06-09T18:42:41 < crt> AUTISM KID TO THE LEFT
2017-06-09T18:43:02 < crt> TALKING TO HERSELF 70 year old woman In front
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2017-06-09T18:44:54 < crt> Lasted 15 minutes on the tour bus, enough
2017-06-09T18:48:13 < Laurenceb__> lel
2017-06-09T18:48:41 < Laurenceb__> I used to live in Oxford, had one of those busses go past my window every 30minutes
2017-06-09T18:49:06 < Laurenceb__> Jamie Oliver... didn't he start a forest fire once?
2017-06-09T18:49:41 < Laurenceb__> iirc they started a fire with an open air BBQ  on one of his shows
2017-06-09T18:50:07 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/7693cfc748/22549.jpg
2017-06-09T18:52:22 < crt> Lol
2017-06-09T18:52:27 < crt> I got one
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2017-06-09T18:52:54 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CLdng9KN/IMG_0188.JPG
2017-06-09T18:53:58 < Laurenceb__> hmm looks like he got it removed from google
2017-06-09T18:54:01 < Laurenceb__> crafty
2017-06-09T18:54:39 < Laurenceb__> uk "news"papers are like the chans in print format
2017-06-09T18:55:31 < benpicco> Do you know something about the STM32F4's I²C being 'stuck' even after a soft reset? it starts working again when I disconnect it from power, not when I toggle the RST pin
2017-06-09T19:00:06 < Laurenceb__> no hadn't seen that, didn't realise it was that bad lol
2017-06-09T19:00:17 < Laurenceb__> what causes the stuck state?
2017-06-09T19:00:47 < benpicco> it seems to happen randomly
2017-06-09T19:01:06 < benpicco> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/267972/i2c-busy-flag-strange-behaviour/281046#281046 looks promising though, I'll try that out
2017-06-09T19:01:09 < karlp> nice use of ² in irc though :)
2017-06-09T19:01:42 < benpicco> karlp: 😉
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2017-06-09T19:07:26 < Laurenceb__> oh the busy flag
2017-06-09T19:07:47 < Laurenceb__> yeah I've seen that in vehicle datalogging with really bad noise
2017-06-09T19:09:04 < Laurenceb__> ah yeah I have that fix in my code
2017-06-09T19:09:25 < Laurenceb__> and yeah I see this bug but very rarely
2017-06-09T19:09:34 < Laurenceb__> its EMI related
2017-06-09T19:09:46 < benpicco> well I've got some noisy PWM LEDs
2017-06-09T19:10:23 < Laurenceb__> how often do you see it?
2017-06-09T19:10:43 < englishman> jeez this si1133 has an onboard mcu
2017-06-09T19:10:51 < englishman> The parameter table is written to by writing the INPUT_0 I2C register and the PARAM_SET command byte to the Command I2C register.
2017-06-09T19:10:51 < englishman> The format of the PARAM_SET word is such that the 6 LSBits contain the location of the target byte in the parameter table.
2017-06-09T19:10:54 < englishman> troll interface
2017-06-09T19:11:19 < Laurenceb__> fuking silabs
2017-06-09T19:11:28 < Laurenceb__> always with the batshit interfaces
2017-06-09T19:11:32 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-09T19:11:43 < englishman> Example: To transfer 0xA5 to parameter table location 0b010101.
2017-06-09T19:11:45 < benpicco> Laurenceb__: a couple times a day, but only after flashing the device
2017-06-09T19:11:48 < englishman> >half a page of instructions
2017-06-09T19:12:19 < Laurenceb__> benpicco: ah ok, doesn't sound too bad
2017-06-09T19:12:25 < Laurenceb__> I see it about once a week
2017-06-09T19:12:58 < englishman> The last two read commands (from RESPONSE0 and RESPONSE1) should not be in the same I2C transaction.
2017-06-09T19:13:08 < englishman> sigh
2017-06-09T19:13:36 < benpicco> Laurenceb__: yea, so far I didn't bother, but last night it got stuck during normal operation
2017-06-09T19:13:51  * Laurenceb__ only managed to debug all the I2C failures after about 1 year of total runtime
2017-06-09T19:13:57 < Laurenceb__> so man bugs...
2017-06-09T19:14:01 < Laurenceb__> *many
2017-06-09T19:14:13 < englishman> si1133 also needs 25ms startup time
2017-06-09T19:14:19 < englishman> during which you cannot use the i2c bus
2017-06-09T19:14:21 < englishman> or: total death
2017-06-09T19:14:35 < Laurenceb__> wew
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2017-06-09T19:14:52 < englishman> also an address select line that is internally floating
2017-06-09T19:16:28 < Laurenceb__> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/thumb/a/ae/Bengpolrage.jpg/500px-Bengpolrage.jpg
2017-06-09T19:16:32 < Laurenceb__> Leeds UK
2017-06-09T19:16:36 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
2017-06-09T19:18:46 < Laurenceb__> I've been outed
2017-06-09T19:20:09 < englishman> wow, 7 different light sensors, only 6 measurement channels
2017-06-09T19:20:10 < englishman> lol silabs
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2017-06-09T19:20:15 < corecode> hi
2017-06-09T19:20:32 < corecode> is there a way to use single conversion mode with multiple channels, without dma?
2017-06-09T19:20:52 < corecode> i.e. how can i tell the adc to process the next channel in the sequence?
2017-06-09T19:21:36 < Laurenceb__> erm read the datasheet
2017-06-09T19:21:45 < Laurenceb__> this is easy to set up
2017-06-09T19:21:53 < Laurenceb__> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/965/123/1d0.png
2017-06-09T19:21:56 < corecode> i am reading it
2017-06-09T19:22:33 < corecode> the issue is that it just keeps chugging on
2017-06-09T19:22:53 < corecode> there doesn't seem to be a way to say "only convert channel X now
2017-06-09T19:23:02 < corecode> now continue with channel Y"
2017-06-09T19:23:12 < corecode> unless i rewrite the sequence registers i guess
2017-06-09T19:23:26 < corecode> oooh discontinuous mode!
2017-06-09T19:24:56 < Laurenceb__> yeah the ADC can do most things you can think of :P
2017-06-09T19:25:08 < corecode> unfortunately the docs are pretty bad
2017-06-09T19:25:14 < Laurenceb__> wut
2017-06-09T19:25:22 < Laurenceb__> try axsemi docs
2017-06-09T19:27:37 < corecode> would they help me?
2017-06-09T19:28:27 < Laurenceb__> erm no they make st look amazing
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2017-06-09T19:31:13 < corecode> well that doesn't help me :/
2017-06-09T19:34:50 < corecode> hm no, discontinuous mode does't seem to set EOC after a conversion
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2017-06-09T20:19:26 < crt> https://youtu.be/fTkfyWOurQM
2017-06-09T20:21:11 < Rob235> for multicopter pid loops does the attitude loop output values that are actually corresponding to rate ie: meters per second, or does it not matter and just find values for inner and outer loop that work.
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2017-06-09T20:32:21 < jpa-> Rob235: in cascade PID, if the loops are separately well tuned and the inner loop is much faster, then the intermediate setpoint value will be something reasonable.. but typically if you just throw stuff together, it will just "be something"
2017-06-09T20:33:39 < Rob235> ok
2017-06-09T20:33:49 < Rob235> im gonna work on making it legit
2017-06-09T20:34:03 < Rob235> because that should help with other flying modes
2017-06-09T20:41:03 < sync> you should make your loop output value something physcially sensible
2017-06-09T20:41:10 < sync> you can make it something
2017-06-09T20:41:15 < sync> but I don't like that
2017-06-09T20:45:20 < Rob235> yea
2017-06-09T20:45:39 < Rob235> is it worth switching the imu to spi from i2c?
2017-06-09T20:51:49 < Steffanx> no
2017-06-09T20:51:59 < Steffanx> spi is ta bomb
2017-06-09T20:55:15 < Steffanx> *tha
2017-06-09T20:55:15 < Rob235> why
2017-06-09T20:55:38 < Rob235> isn't "tha bomb" good?
2017-06-09T20:55:46 < Steffanx> yes
2017-06-09T20:55:54 < Steffanx> oh, i failed to read properly :P
2017-06-09T20:55:59 < Steffanx> yes it's worth it.
2017-06-09T20:56:06 < Rob235> ok
2017-06-09T20:56:07 < Steffanx> hah
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2017-06-09T20:56:15 < Steffanx> Good morning
2017-06-09T20:56:24 < Rob235> yo that shits tha bomb, dont use it!
2017-06-09T20:56:26 < Rob235> :)
2017-06-09T20:56:28 < Rob235> good morning
2017-06-09T20:56:43 < Steffanx> I actually just woke up, so might explain it
2017-06-09T20:56:44 < Rob235> I thought maybe I wasn't cool enough
2017-06-09T20:56:49 < Rob235> heh no worries
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2017-06-09T21:01:35 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/nzGzv4Q.png
2017-06-09T21:01:52 < Rob235> "I do share with you the same interest in discovering what subject we will be discussing during this coure, since ethics involve in every aspects out life. I wish you a great course and I hope all of us will benefit from this course.looking forward to work with you"
2017-06-09T21:01:56 < Rob235> uhhhh learn english
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2017-06-09T21:17:15 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ prefers a dutch oven
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2017-06-09T21:47:21 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/Sgd0i87r9-0
2017-06-09T21:52:55 < kakimir> Oven mentioned
2017-06-09T21:59:22 < zyp> I'd thought he were more into german ovens
2017-06-09T22:05:39 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/fKopy74weus musictimes
2017-06-09T22:08:29 < kakimir> So catchy
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2017-06-09T22:18:42 < Thorn> better music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u-LX4yjQvk
2017-06-09T22:24:28 < ohsix> blehgh
2017-06-09T22:31:10 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/_laurenng_/status/872851747282223106
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2017-06-09T22:53:52 < upgrdman> fpga pros: if you have a state machine, is it more resource-efficient to have a bunch of "state = state + 1;" or to have a bunch of "state = 2; ... state = 3; ..." ?
2017-06-09T22:54:13 < upgrdman> im guessing a bunch of adders would be more wasteful?
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2017-06-09T22:54:41 < upgrdman> not all states last the same amount of time, so i cant just use one adder at the end of every clock cycle or whatever
2017-06-09T23:00:50 < Thorn> adpcm works 👍
2017-06-09T23:04:19 < jpa-> upgrdman: it will probably optimize to the same either way; but most efficient in hardware would be to have a single adder, and then a mux that selects between "state+1" and "state" as the next value for "state"
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2017-06-09T23:04:47 < jpa-> but in general optimizing combinatorial networks (i.e. stuff that happens within one clock cycle) is mostly a solved problem and it doesn't matter much how you write it
2017-06-09T23:05:04 < upgrdman> jpa-, well ya but some states last multiple clock cycles
2017-06-09T23:05:10 < upgrdman> the muxing idea would work tho
2017-06-09T23:05:39 < jpa-> selecting the next value for the state register happens within each individual clock cycle
2017-06-09T23:06:08 < jpa-> check in the technology map view what it comes up with :P
2017-06-09T23:06:11 < upgrdman> well i just tried it, and it looks like going for state++; to state=n; saved registers, SLICEs *and* LUTs. neat.
2017-06-09T23:06:46 < upgrdman> makes sense. littering adders all over the place is amateur shit :)
2017-06-09T23:07:18 < jpa-> zyp: why isn't the host polling my usb interrupt endpoint :/
2017-06-09T23:07:37 < zyp> what class?
2017-06-09T23:09:09 < zyp> even for interrupt endpoints, host controller will only poll if there's anything submitting URBs
2017-06-09T23:09:46 < zyp> i.e. if it's a vendor specific thing, it'll only be polled once you submit transfers
2017-06-09T23:10:25 < zyp> if you're doing that and it's still not polling, check that you have bInterval set correct
2017-06-09T23:10:47 < jpa-> hmm ok, have to dig into the linux cdc_ncm driver to see why it isn't
2017-06-09T23:10:55 < zyp> aha, ncm
2017-06-09T23:11:00 < zyp> have you done ifconfig up?
2017-06-09T23:11:02 < jpa-> i have bInterval set to 10 so i assume it should poll every 10 ms
2017-06-09T23:11:30 < jpa-> ifconfig up complains that link is not up, which is because it never reads my notification about link being up
2017-06-09T23:11:46 < zyp> hmm, okay
2017-06-09T23:12:21 < zyp> I don't have any experience with NCM so I don't really have any ideas about what can be wrong
2017-06-09T23:13:33 < zyp> I'm really interested in hearing about how NCM works out for you though
2017-06-09T23:13:38 < jpa-> yeah, but atleast the info that it's probably the host driver not submitting urbs gives some hints
2017-06-09T23:14:17 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/U39/plain   this far now :P
2017-06-09T23:14:31 < zyp> well, yeah, either host driver is buggy, or you're doing something the host doesn't like
2017-06-09T23:14:50 < jpa-> pretty likely that something is just wrong in my descriptors
2017-06-09T23:15:00 < jpa-> but i guess this is enough for tonight
2017-06-09T23:15:27 < zyp> nice ifname
2017-06-09T23:18:48 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/cdc_ncm.png   the last DATA1 packet is the devices response with MAC address; then i'm not sure what the OUT transfer is about, and then nothing happens
2017-06-09T23:21:51 < jpa-> ah maybe my capture buffer just fills up :D
2017-06-09T23:23:57 < jpa-> no, it doesn't.. so that's the status stage of the "Get descriptor" request, and the host should follow the OUT with a 0-length DATA packet, but doesn't seem to be happening
2017-06-09T23:25:08 < jpa-> err it does.. just my usb analyzer crappying itself up
2017-06-09T23:25:20 < jpa-> so that far everything is fine and it just decides i'm not worth polling
2017-06-09T23:25:32 < jpa-> i guess i'll debug more tomorrow
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2017-06-09T23:38:36 < zyp> upgrdman, doesn't state machines usually get transformed to one hot encoding anyway?
2017-06-09T23:39:15 < zyp> adding is a moot point then
2017-06-09T23:39:38 < upgrdman> zyp, i dont know what one hot is :( will google.
2017-06-09T23:40:06 < zyp> state register gets expanded to one bit per state, exactly one of them is set at any time
2017-06-09T23:40:29 < upgrdman> oh so like 16 states would become 16 FF's?
2017-06-09T23:40:33 < zyp> yes
2017-06-09T23:40:54 < zyp> it's usually more efficient than four bits and 16 decoder terms
2017-06-09T23:41:03 < upgrdman> ya makes sense
2017-06-09T23:42:12 < zyp> so the answer to your question is probably just to write whatever the fpga toolchain recognises as a FSM and optimizes
2017-06-09T23:42:30 < zyp> the synthesis report should tell you about that
2017-06-09T23:43:14 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-09T23:49:31 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/dIl4p <- here's what the xilinx shit outputs when it finds one
2017-06-09T23:50:54 < zyp> oh, missed the second part
2017-06-09T23:50:57 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/i9URn
2017-06-09T23:59:35 < Thorn> I've seen xilinx appnotes that said "try different encodings for best timing and/or smallest implementation"
2017-06-09T23:59:55 < Thorn> are the tools smart enough now to do that automatically?
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2017-06-10T00:00:27 < zyp> idk
2017-06-10T00:01:04 < zyp> automatic probably means that they're using some heuristics to estimate what will give the best result
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2017-06-10T00:11:12 < Thorn> is there anything like a standard programming/bootloader protocol for sending binary data in chunks over a serial link?
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2017-06-10T00:11:39 < Thorn> like 0x0000 /*address*/: 0xaa 0xbb 0x42 ..... -> OK etc.
2017-06-10T00:11:42 < englishman> yeah. STK
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2017-06-10T00:12:08 < englishman> stm32 rom bootloader also has one
2017-06-10T00:12:20 < Thorn> I need to program serial flash in circuit
2017-06-10T00:12:42 < englishman> copypaste something from stk500?
2017-06-10T00:13:02 < englishman> chunks small enough to fit in ram for processing
2017-06-10T00:13:38 < Thorn> yeah exactly
2017-06-10T00:13:48 < Thorn> look atmel.com has short URLs http://www.atmel.com/images/doc2591.pdf
2017-06-10T00:14:13 < Thorn> unlike st.com
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2017-06-10T00:14:57 < englishman> well atmel is a hipsterco
2017-06-10T00:15:10 < englishman> surprised they dont use atm.el/HappyElatedWatermelon.pdf
2017-06-10T00:16:23 < englishman> speaking of which, zyp, tardui.no is available
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2017-06-10T00:19:23 < Thorn> xor checksum will have to go
2017-06-10T00:24:48 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2017/06/08/raspberry-pi-malware-mines-bitcoin/
2017-06-10T00:24:50 < Laurenceb__> lel
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2017-06-10T00:48:41 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/H9HxHyp
2017-06-10T00:51:43 < englishman> luxsensor works gr8
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2017-06-10T01:06:41 < crt> Hmm
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2017-06-10T01:08:20 < Laurenceb__> visited anywhere non shit yet?
2017-06-10T01:09:34 < crt> Nup
2017-06-10T01:09:40 < Steffanx> The Blaxter Effect.
2017-06-10T01:10:03 < Rob235> where is crt
2017-06-10T01:10:11 < crt> Dads place
2017-06-10T01:10:17 < Steffanx> Where is stvvvn
2017-06-10T01:10:28 < Rob235> uk right? where though
2017-06-10T01:10:33 < crt> With stffn
2017-06-10T01:10:41 < crt> Of course
2017-06-10T01:10:42 < Steffanx> No stffn is alone
2017-06-10T01:10:44 < Rob235> bring me home a stroopwaffel
2017-06-10T01:10:48 < crt> Ok
2017-06-10T01:10:52 < crt> Oh fuck
2017-06-10T01:10:59 < crt> I found some stffn
2017-06-10T01:11:05 < crt> Englishwafels
2017-06-10T01:11:09 < Steffanx> Oh noes
2017-06-10T01:11:30 < crt> I'll have to sample
2017-06-10T01:11:38 < Steffanx> No windmill.
2017-06-10T01:11:45 < crt> No windmill
2017-06-10T01:11:52 < Rob235> did the english screw up waffels like they did muffins?
2017-06-10T01:11:53 < Steffanx> Damnit
2017-06-10T01:12:05 < Steffanx> Donut
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2017-06-10T01:12:18 < Rob235> who would ever call and english muffin a muffin
2017-06-10T01:12:34 < Rob235> an*
2017-06-10T01:12:35 < Steffanx> Need a pic
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2017-06-10T01:12:46 < Steffanx> Of a yankee one and an english one
2017-06-10T01:12:53 < Steffanx> Then i can judge
2017-06-10T01:12:58 < Rob235> http://www.browneyedbaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/english-muffins-split.jpg
2017-06-10T01:13:48 < Rob235> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/BlueberryMuffin.jpg/1200px-BlueberryMuffin.jpg
2017-06-10T01:13:51 < Rob235> now thats a muffin
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2017-06-10T01:13:58 < Steffanx> Thats a cupcake
2017-06-10T01:14:08 < Rob235> cupcakes are cake batter with frosting on top
2017-06-10T01:14:20 < Rob235> muffins are more bread like
2017-06-10T01:14:50 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9b3yrRll/IMG_0283.JPG
2017-06-10T01:15:01 < Steffanx> Lies.
2017-06-10T01:15:03 < Rob235> wtf is that
2017-06-10T01:15:15 < Steffanx> Wannabee stroopwafel
2017-06-10T01:16:13 < crt> Yeah they're shit just like the other nigspec ones
2017-06-10T01:16:38 < Steffanx> Kanjer 🦆
2017-06-10T01:16:52 < crt> The ducks guts
2017-06-10T01:18:34 < Laurenceb__> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/election-results-2017-philip-davies-loss-shipley_uk_5939f990e4b024026877b6fa
2017-06-10T01:18:42 < Laurenceb__> they got trolld
2017-06-10T01:19:11 < Rob235> what is MP?
2017-06-10T01:19:23 < Laurenceb__> how babby formed
2017-06-10T01:20:54 < crt> Ukip
2017-06-10T01:21:06 < Rob235> oh members of parliament
2017-06-10T01:22:42 < upgrdman> hmm. one of my ac outlets is intermittent. if i wiggle the cord, the lamp flickers. it's not the cord. wtf would cause that, bent contacts in the outlet?
2017-06-10T01:23:03 < Laurenceb__> wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have a patronising man doing sexist mansplaining in our parliament
2017-06-10T01:23:17 < Laurenceb__> I beat he manspreads as well
2017-06-10T01:23:50 < Rob235> wonders what that could be
2017-06-10T01:27:27 < crt> Laurenceb__: where is Nigel
2017-06-10T01:29:30 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KaCVL6yq/23114DBD-C59E-4CF5-BE44-4B859A8C34CD-2856-000002F1DA668A76.JPG
2017-06-10T01:30:20 < Rob235> I wish I were drunk
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2017-06-10T01:32:21 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-06-10T01:33:25 < hetii> Do I need to use NVIC_IRQChannel for eg. with DMA1_Channel5_IRQHandler when use dma?
2017-06-10T01:35:56 < Laurenceb__> crt: http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/TimelineGenerator/bin/img/1425410844780/dazed-and-plane_1630938i.jpg
2017-06-10T01:36:09 < crt> Lol
2017-06-10T01:36:28 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/869TOBvp/F2BF6DC4-63FA-46B2-8805-C5D3EFBE11E1-3381-0000038F1A0C3CF2.JPG
2017-06-10T01:37:31 < Laurenceb__> can't barrage the Farrage
2017-06-10T01:37:34 < Laurenceb__> ohwait
2017-06-10T01:37:45 < crt> Can't corner the dorner
2017-06-10T01:38:51 < crt> Can't dodge the rodge
2017-06-10T01:39:20 < Laurenceb__> http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/414381-light-aircraft-down-oxfordshire-merged-7.html
2017-06-10T01:39:21 < Laurenceb__> wew
2017-06-10T01:40:12 < Laurenceb__>  > Polish-made
2017-06-10T01:42:29 < crt> Lol
2017-06-10T01:52:12 < crt> Sehga
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2017-06-10T02:00:30 < crt> Stfn
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2017-06-10T02:17:21 < Laurenceb__> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/06/09/1817245/pepe-is-banned-from-the-apple-app-store
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2017-06-10T02:21:21 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-10T02:21:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: in the wall socket? corrosion too, but that's kind of an f'd socket if you can even do that
2017-06-10T02:22:09 < ohsix> someone probably pulled a cord hard to the side, kicked it o rsomething
2017-06-10T02:22:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya just bought a new outlet, <$3 so no big deal, just was like wtf, never seen this before
2017-06-10T02:23:09 < sync> that's why it is happening
2017-06-10T02:23:17 < upgrdman> ?
2017-06-10T02:23:17 < sync> cheap sockets
2017-06-10T02:23:20 < upgrdman> o
2017-06-10T02:23:20 < ohsix> Thorn: there's also motorola srec and intel ihex
2017-06-10T02:23:26 < crt> Squid
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2017-06-10T02:23:38 < upgrdman> but my entire shit home is full of cheap sockets. and i've never had another one shit the bed
2017-06-10T02:23:41 < ohsix> Thorn: easy to parse, basically a line tha thas an address and what goes there
2017-06-10T02:23:52 < ohsix> even cheap sockets are pretty good tho
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2017-06-10T02:24:03 < upgrdman> funny thing is my UPS was plugged into this outlet, so the relays clicks when i wiggled it's cord
2017-06-10T02:24:04 < ohsix> NEC keeps them from being too shit
2017-06-10T02:24:07 < crt> 20 squid
2017-06-10T02:24:18 < ohsix> and they're rated for 15a or something, not like random shit you might find in extension cords
2017-06-10T02:24:19 < Rob235> boop
2017-06-10T02:24:26 < upgrdman> and for a year now it would randomly (rarely, but randomly) trigger. now i know why.
2017-06-10T02:25:02 < ohsix> Thorn: srec/ihex are for toggled in / tiny ass bootloaders ;] so they're easy to parse
2017-06-10T02:26:09 < branjb> https://i.imgur.com/OEUAfKA.png
2017-06-10T02:26:51 < crt> Eh
2017-06-10T02:26:55 < crt> Who
2017-06-10T02:28:20 < Thorn> well I'm going to implement both sides so I guess I'll roll my own protocol with CRC and confirmations after each chunk
2017-06-10T02:28:38 < upgrdman> what...the...fuck... just uninstalled Android Studio and it free'd up 64GB of space. god fucking damn it, why did it use that much space. such bloat, very amaze.
2017-06-10T02:29:13 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-10T02:29:23 < branjb> because google collects all your shit even when you use their IDE
2017-06-10T02:29:31 < branjb> that was 64 GB of tentacle porn it was caching
2017-06-10T02:29:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: did you install all the platform vm images or something?
2017-06-10T02:29:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, i think for 3 versions of android, but no, not every version
2017-06-10T02:30:24 < upgrdman> also just realized that i have Altium Designer Summer 09 installed. lolwut
2017-06-10T02:30:46 < crt> Better install altium designer
2017-06-10T02:31:06 < upgrdman> i have alti17
2017-06-10T02:31:10 < upgrdman> legit version too
2017-06-10T02:31:16 < Thorn> android sdk gets huge very fast
2017-06-10T02:31:18 < upgrdman> no idea when or why i installed summer09
2017-06-10T02:31:32 < ohsix> android studio is big but isn't really the thing that takes up the space
2017-06-10T02:31:46 < ohsix> the platform targets & emulators that android-something installs is
2017-06-10T02:31:51 < sync> upgrdman: suprisingly sockets and cables go dead just from being plugged in
2017-06-10T02:32:14 < sync> I have to throw out ~20/2000 cables at work yearls
2017-06-10T02:32:15 < upgrdman> sync, hmm ok
2017-06-10T02:32:16 < sync> ~yearly
2017-06-10T02:32:19 < crt> Better install space
2017-06-10T02:32:44 < crt> Got any scart cables?
2017-06-10T02:32:45 < upgrdman> well im up to 226GB free now.
2017-06-10T02:32:51 < upgrdman> on a 512GB SSD
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2017-06-10T02:33:16 < upgrdman> oh god damn it. wtf do i have IIS installed
2017-06-10T02:33:27 < upgrdman> i wonder if that was bundles with visual studio or some trash
2017-06-10T02:33:54 < crt> I want to eat my own head
2017-06-10T02:34:19 < crt> iis is terror
2017-06-10T02:34:29 < Thorn> you probably selected asp.net support in VS
2017-06-10T02:34:50 < upgrdman> ya i prolly did
2017-06-10T02:35:11 < upgrdman> and so much fucking azure shit too. time to prune this bitch.
2017-06-10T02:38:20 < crt> Chuck it
2017-06-10T02:38:40 < crt> Do what hitler
2017-06-10T02:40:22 < ohsix> get rid of obdc shit too
2017-06-10T02:40:30 < ohsix> there's like an express sql servergarbage thing
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2017-06-10T02:57:37 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/UEzXfoL89Bo?t=14s
2017-06-10T02:58:57 < hetii> Sorry that I interrupt you but I still don`t resolve my issue with uart dma: Actual code that I use is here: https://pastebin.com/7v9umS6X
2017-06-10T02:59:07 < hetii> it hangs on: while (DMA_GetFlagStatus(DMA1_FLAG_TC4) == RESET){}
2017-06-10T03:01:08 < hetii> in terinal softare I see: Uart start...Before DMA1_FLAG_TC4 so sending works when use USART_SendChar but cannot force to send or receive data by using dma
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2017-06-10T04:18:05 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/yYjn2fj
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2017-06-10T05:38:12 < englishman> glow in the dark money http://i.imgur.com/MkWmCVo.jpg
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2017-06-10T05:53:49 < jadew> not kitschy at all
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2017-06-10T06:00:00 < ohsix> oof
2017-06-10T06:00:15 < ohsix> 'business development' meetup type thing giong on in this place had a hueg turnout
2017-06-10T06:00:20 < ohsix> like 45 people
2017-06-10T06:00:30 < ohsix> was a trip
2017-06-10T06:00:54 < jadew> was it any good?
2017-06-10T06:21:34 < Rob235> if I switch the mpu9250 to spi does that mean you have to use multi master mode to read the mag?
2017-06-10T06:21:49 < Rob235> maybe I should look at how that ish works
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2017-06-10T07:17:24 < rajkosto> spi has a multi master mode ?
2017-06-10T07:17:29 < rajkosto> only heard of i2c doing that
2017-06-10T07:18:11 < englishman> well mpu9250 has a mag onchip but on a separate die that is only accessible via i2c
2017-06-10T07:18:18 < englishman> tbh dono how it works in spi mode
2017-06-10T07:18:27 < rajkosto> separate CS ?
2017-06-10T07:18:37 < englishman> cs for i2c?
2017-06-10T07:18:39 < englishman> dono.
2017-06-10T07:18:46 < rajkosto> why would it only be accesible via i2c if the chip has a spi mode
2017-06-10T07:18:58 < englishman> because only the accel/gyro has spi
2017-06-10T07:19:06 < rajkosto> what kind of botched chip is this
2017-06-10T07:19:06 < englishman> the mag is slaved to the main chip via i2c
2017-06-10T07:19:11 < englishman> invensense man
2017-06-10T07:19:24 < englishman> have a peek at the datasheet.
2017-06-10T07:19:39 < rajkosto> gotta use it in i2c mode then
2017-06-10T07:20:17 < englishman> well mag is useless anyway
2017-06-10T07:20:30 < englishman> and that gyro in particular has other issues
2017-06-10T07:21:20 < rajkosto> i just use a bmi055 which is annoying in that it has separate interrupt lines for gyro and acc
2017-06-10T07:21:29 < rajkosto> i just wanted one interrupt kthx
2017-06-10T07:21:39 < englishman> добро јутро
2017-06-10T07:21:45 < rajkosto> лаку ноћ
2017-06-10T07:21:49 < englishman> yeah bosch gyros are annoying
2017-06-10T07:22:17 < englishman> bmi is that big dog tho
2017-06-10T07:22:26 < rajkosto> and the bno055 integrated sensorfusion chip is expensive
2017-06-10T07:22:33 < rajkosto> that has mag tho
2017-06-10T07:23:00 < englishman> oh yeah thats it
2017-06-10T07:23:21 < rajkosto> bmi055 is just 2 chips on one die or whatever
2017-06-10T07:23:29 < englishman> bmi055 was considered but i dont remember why we didnt use it
2017-06-10T07:23:34 < rajkosto> bno055 is a cortex m0 integrating all 3 i suppose
2017-06-10T07:23:38 < englishman> went with bmi160 instead
2017-06-10T07:23:58 < englishman> yeah thats the one
2017-06-10T07:24:04 < englishman> m0 but zero documentation
2017-06-10T07:24:19 < rajkosto> bmi160 also has a sensorfusion
2017-06-10T07:24:32 < rajkosto> but a much simpler one
2017-06-10T07:25:01 < rajkosto> or no ?
2017-06-10T07:25:13 < englishman> dono, didn't use
2017-06-10T07:25:19 < rajkosto> is it just a lower power consuming bmi055 ?
2017-06-10T07:25:25 < rajkosto> with 16bit acc instead of 12bit
2017-06-10T07:25:41 < englishman> and smaller
2017-06-10T07:26:04 < rajkosto> too small and cant route the board anymore
2017-06-10T07:26:32 < englishman> get better boards
2017-06-10T07:27:00 < englishman> that is a solvable problem
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2017-06-10T07:36:30 < Rob235> how do you get the highest value of a 16 bit unsigned int? something like (uint16_t)0 - 1?
2017-06-10T07:38:21 < Rob235> or ~0?
2017-06-10T07:38:27 < upgrdman> lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/6g63zj/making_a_joke_about_being_part_of_a_terrorist/
2017-06-10T07:38:29 < rajkosto> use -1
2017-06-10T07:38:33 < Rob235> ok
2017-06-10T07:38:49 < rajkosto> unsigned int whatevs = -1
2017-06-10T07:38:54 < rajkosto> uint16_t isnt an unsigned int tho
2017-06-10T07:39:00 < rajkosto> thats an unsigned short
2017-06-10T07:40:10 < rajkosto> englishman, i might switch to bmi160 for the lower power consumption and reduction of useless features, thanks
2017-06-10T07:40:30 < englishman> enjoy
2017-06-10T07:40:32 < Rob235> i said 16 bit, didnt care what actual type, just num bits
2017-06-10T07:40:45 < rajkosto> uint16_t whatever = -1;
2017-06-10T07:40:59 < Rob235> so mpu9250.gyr_lsb = 250.0f / (uint16_t)-1; is good to get the multiplier of the value for -250 degrees per second to +250
2017-06-10T07:41:13 < rajkosto> uhhh
2017-06-10T07:41:24 < rajkosto> you know you can just type in  65535
2017-06-10T07:41:27 < rajkosto> to be less obtuse about it
2017-06-10T07:41:53 < Rob235> yea I guess
2017-06-10T07:42:20 < rajkosto> "is good to get the multiplier of the value for -250 degrees per second to +250" ??!
2017-06-10T07:42:25 < rajkosto> that seems like all you want is * -1
2017-06-10T07:43:13 < Rob235> its +- so its 32768 not 65k
2017-06-10T07:43:46 < rajkosto> so you want the maximum possible SIGNED SHORT
2017-06-10T07:43:47 < rajkosto> not UNSIGNED
2017-06-10T07:44:04 < Rob235> yea i realized that but i already decided to do it your way so it doesnt matter :)
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2017-06-10T07:44:18 < rajkosto> you can get those in c++ with std::numeric_limits<int16_t>::max();
2017-06-10T07:44:33 < Rob235> again, already decided you were right the first time
2017-06-10T07:44:35 < rajkosto> i think C only has INT_MAX and FLT_MAX nothing for shorts ?
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2017-06-10T07:50:28 < Rob235> 4800 / 8191 = 0.5860090343 and the datasheet says to use 0.6.  should I just use the more precise value?
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2017-06-10T08:05:36 < rajkosto> englishman, how many of these does a drone need
2017-06-10T08:05:43 < englishman> one
2017-06-10T08:06:31 < rajkosto> https://www.slideshare.net/Yole_Developpement/yole-bosch-bmi160mems6axisimusample
2017-06-10T08:07:11 < rajkosto> the package is actually way friendlier than bmi055 too
2017-06-10T08:07:16 < englishman> cool!!!
2017-06-10T08:08:00 < rajkosto> a shame that slideshare has blurred parts :(
2017-06-10T08:08:49 < englishman> hey why is it censored
2017-06-10T08:08:50 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-10T08:08:54 < rajkosto> cuz they want you to pay
2017-06-10T08:08:58 < rajkosto> i wanted to see some sweet dies
2017-06-10T08:09:55 < rajkosto> i went with bmi055 because it had lowest idle gyro drift btw
2017-06-10T08:10:58 < englishman> yeah we thought that would be an issue
2017-06-10T08:10:58 < englishman> as long as the gyro cal is done, it was not.
2017-06-10T08:11:25 < rajkosto> manual zeroing on button press or something ?
2017-06-10T08:12:09 < rajkosto> or one time factory
2017-06-10T08:12:12 < englishman> no, the once-per-chip cal
2017-06-10T08:12:39 < englishman> Fast Offset Compensation
2017-06-10T08:12:44 < englishman> stored in rom
2017-06-10T08:12:51 < englishman> no idea why that shit isnt done in factory
2017-06-10T08:12:59 < englishman> err not rom. nv memory
2017-06-10T08:13:07 < rajkosto> for accelerometer how do you get the axis scales
2017-06-10T08:13:09 < englishman> (with like 14 max write cycles so dont fuck it up)
2017-06-10T08:13:20 < Rob235> I have the bno055 but its too slow
2017-06-10T08:13:45 < rajkosto> yeah its def not worth the price
2017-06-10T08:13:48 < rajkosto> just use madgwic
2017-06-10T08:14:03 < Rob235> thats what im doing now, writing a library for the mpu9250
2017-06-10T08:14:14 < Rob235> been a while since I touched it
2017-06-10T08:15:05 < ohsix> i can't like or rt this on twitter, this is only for Laurenceb https://twitter.com/9_11_every_day/status/873382277199409152
2017-06-10T08:15:40 < ohsix> jadew: it was alright, someone did a presentation about video production, whcih was a break from the typical program of 'business' development drivel
2017-06-10T08:16:23 < ohsix> one of the organizers somehow knew it was going to be a huge showing, i gotta find out how he knew on monday :p
2017-06-10T08:23:17 < ohsix> there's some coefficient of meetup rsvp vs. showing
2017-06-10T08:24:10 < rajkosto> is there a scientific explanation why magnetometers are calibrated by spinning them into a figure 8
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2017-06-10T08:28:36 < ohsix> rajkosto: lul the blurring wasn't actually slideshare http://www.systemplus.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/SP15210_Bosch_BMI160_MEMS_6-Axis_IMU_Sample.pdf
2017-06-10T08:28:51 < ohsix> anyways you can take some text from it and try to find the full thing
2017-06-10T08:29:14 < ohsix> also re: magnetometers, there is
2017-06-10T08:29:20 < ohsix> but the last time i knew was in like 2012
2017-06-10T08:29:26 < ohsix> heheheh would have to track it down again
2017-06-10T08:31:34 < ohsix> but a decent guess (ololol) is that you get enough samples of the non-local magnetic field to compensate for nearby stuff
2017-06-10T08:32:01 < ohsix> moving it around lets you get a sample of the local field for iron compensation
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2017-06-10T08:32:41 < crt> Hello welcome!
2017-06-10T08:34:23 < ohsix> http://www.nxp.com/assets/documents/data/en/application-notes/AN4246.pdf lul so much math
2017-06-10T08:47:46 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/jamisnemo/status/873097702363471872 hah
2017-06-10T08:48:00 < ohsix> who is this, which one of you are james??// ;p
2017-06-10T08:48:44 < rajkosto> why would you write code in VR, the resolution is awful
2017-06-10T08:49:01 < ohsix> probably ok if you make the font large and actually look around
2017-06-10T08:49:12 < ohsix> i got to use one of the new oculus things recently, and oof yea
2017-06-10T08:49:15 < rajkosto> neck strain for no reason
2017-06-10T08:52:02 < ohsix> i used to do a thing when i really wanted something as a kid, then felt slight remorse at not having the money instead shortly after
2017-06-10T08:52:13 < ohsix> some people never get past that, and they are what's carrying the vr industry
2017-06-10T08:53:23 < ohsix> though TBH the pixelz are ignorable if the response is good enough and there's something to actually be gained by looking around a lot
2017-06-10T08:53:32 < ohsix> proprioception ftw
2017-06-10T08:59:19 < rajkosto> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/4dsXzM
2017-06-10T08:59:26 < rajkosto> your eyes suck
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2017-06-10T09:04:58 < ohsix> that's cute
2017-06-10T09:05:27 < ohsix> were you talking to r2com or something?
2017-06-10T09:10:47 < Rob235> ahh the mpu9250 handles the mag only being on i2c fine when in spi mode
2017-06-10T09:11:27 < Rob235> just set the slave to read from it at the sample rate and it fills in the registers automatically that can be read by spi
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2017-06-10T09:25:15 < ohsix> rajkosto: pixels ignorable ~= as if you were looking through a screen door. vr games usually fall short, real life not so much
2017-06-10T09:25:24 < Cerpin> Getting something odd trying to build a test stm32 project with gcc-arm-none-eabi -- I'm sure it's just a compiler flag or some error in my makefile, but google's not especially enlightening. The error is: "error: unknown type name '__STATIC_INLINE' "
2017-06-10T09:26:00 < ohsix> Cerpin: find it in the output of gcc -E
2017-06-10T09:26:23 < ohsix> probably easier ways, but that just runs the preprocessor & makes it easy to find
2017-06-10T09:27:36 < Cerpin> This is in core_cmFunc, if that's any further help, but I'll try that too
2017-06-10T09:28:02 < ohsix> rajkosto: there's a significant amount of pixels wasted filling the entire fov of the eye, with simple objects & projections
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2017-06-10T09:28:54 < rajkosto> https://youtu.be/wX65iSZTI7E?t=320 300 000$ speakers have china sweatshop levels of through hole soldering
2017-06-10T09:29:25 < ohsix> haha holy shit
2017-06-10T09:29:38 < ohsix> nice putting ts a bit ahead of the punchline
2017-06-10T09:30:15 < ohsix> wtf soldering iron too
2017-06-10T09:30:21 < ohsix> battery powered?
2017-06-10T09:31:07 < ohsix> don't forget all those resistors that are only there to heat up the air in the case
2017-06-10T09:31:44 < rajkosto> dont forget
2017-06-10T09:31:46 < rajkosto> you cant shrink soundwaves
2017-06-10T09:31:47 < rajkosto> its science.
2017-06-10T09:31:50 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/wX65iSZTI7E?t=337
2017-06-10T09:32:27 < ohsix> bbiab
2017-06-10T09:38:42 < ReadError> omg
2017-06-10T09:38:43 < ReadError> https://blockchain.info/tx/cc455ae816e6cdafdb58d54e35d4f46d860047458eacf1c7405dc634631c570d
2017-06-10T09:38:59 < ReadError> "it appears some idiot sent 0.0001 BTC with a 291.241 BTC miner fee instead of the other way around. RIP bags."
2017-06-10T09:40:19 < rajkosto> CHYNA JUST GOT RICHER
2017-06-10T09:42:29 < ReadError> well over 0.5million $
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2017-06-10T09:54:19 < crt> Audiophile paedophile
2017-06-10T09:57:04 < upgrdman> who gets a buttcoin miner fee? the exchange?
2017-06-10T09:57:26 < rajkosto> the miner who included the transaction
2017-06-10T09:57:29 < rajkosto> im sure they all raced to do it
2017-06-10T09:58:11 < upgrdman> o lol
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2017-06-10T10:22:35 < upgrdman> lol http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-qh90-super-ultra-wide-329-monitor-photos-2017-6
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2017-06-10T10:36:40 < upgrdman> so this is real, damn.  http://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-display/displays-tvs/digital-signage/lg-86BH5C
2017-06-10T10:40:52 < rajkosto> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292727720876703744/323001266017927169/rgb.jpg is this roughly correct ?
2017-06-10T10:41:49 < Streaker> I'll ask the Chinaman I keep in my closet.
2017-06-10T10:42:38 < rajkosto> everyone should have one
2017-06-10T10:55:09 < Cerpin> Yeah, seems I can't find anything more than that all of the CMSIS functions that do things like NOP create a problem
2017-06-10T10:55:34 < Cerpin> arm-none-eabi-gcc doesn't recognize __STATIC_INLINE, somehow
2017-06-10T10:58:14 < ohsix> http://warwickaudiotech.com/ cute
2017-06-10T11:01:10 < Cerpin> http://sprunge.us/VJOP  is the full text of the errors
2017-06-10T11:25:54 < upgrdman> Cerpin, http://community.silabs.com/t5/Simplicity-Studio-and-Software/STATIC-INLINE-undefined/td-p/101881
2017-06-10T11:26:00 < upgrdman> first google result
2017-06-10T11:30:23 < Cerpin> As I do
2017-06-10T11:30:56 < Cerpin> my copy of core_cm4 doesn't appear to actually define it (it was downloaded straight from ST)
2017-06-10T11:31:40 < Cerpin> Oh well, I'll figure it out
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2017-06-10T11:33:35 < rajkosto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-V7-8SrdjE
2017-06-10T11:34:34 < Cerpin> Yeah no, I guess it's there, but even explicitly including core_cm4, the compiler can't see this definitely
2017-06-10T11:34:37 < Cerpin> er
2017-06-10T11:34:39 < Cerpin> definition
2017-06-10T11:37:29 < crt> Steffanx
2017-06-10T11:37:46 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vaNkmNoV/IMG_0288.JPG
2017-06-10T11:38:26 < Steffanx> Haha
2017-06-10T11:38:32 < Steffanx> Could be goos.
2017-06-10T11:38:33 < Steffanx> D
2017-06-10T11:38:58 < Steffanx> What kind of messy store is this?
2017-06-10T11:39:05 < crt> Sainsburys
2017-06-10T11:39:32 < crt> Probably where Laurenceb's mother buys his tendies
2017-06-10T11:39:38 < crt> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2017-06-10T11:40:29 < Steffanx> Better get high.
2017-06-10T11:40:31 < rajkosto> i still dont know what tendies are
2017-06-10T11:41:04 < crt> lol
2017-06-10T11:47:20 < Steffanx> Its meme crap rajkosto. I never cared either.
2017-06-10T11:49:08 < rajkosto> chicken tenders ?
2017-06-10T11:52:55 < Cerpin> Oh, no, now I see. There are two separate copies of it in stdperiphlib, one under "Device" without the macro, and one in CMSIS/Include with it...
2017-06-10T12:19:38 < Cerpin> And another oddity: the CMSIS files expect an IRQn_Type for NVIC_EnableIRQ et al
2017-06-10T12:20:02 < Cerpin> But stm32f4xx.h calls that simply IRQn
2017-06-10T12:20:06 < Cerpin> Why the discrepancy?
2017-06-10T12:35:19 < ohsix> 'why' is a question that will take a lot of your time
2017-06-10T12:41:00 < Cerpin> I edited it to match and moved on, was just curious
2017-06-10T12:42:21 < jpa-> hope that there isn't the +-16 difference between them :P
2017-06-10T12:42:51 < Cerpin> Pretty sure I checked that, but will again I guess
2017-06-10T12:50:53 < Cerpin> Starts with NMI at -14, so I think I'm ok
2017-06-10T12:52:05 < jpa-> bah, updated openocd and gdb and now when target hits breakpoint, gdb just doesn't notice
2017-06-10T12:53:36 < ohsix> sweet
2017-06-10T12:54:07 < ohsix> did a thing stop blinking or ??? i've had stuff fault when i'm looking for why some code isn't reached
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2017-06-10T12:57:21 < jpa-> target remote seems to work but extended-remote doesn't
2017-06-10T13:07:25 < zyp> weird
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2017-06-10T13:20:02 < jpa-> zyp: haha, found out why linux didn't poll my ncm; turns out 01234567890a is a multicast MAC address and it got weirded out by it
2017-06-10T13:21:22 < zyp> nice
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2017-06-10T14:09:30 < Rob235> son of a bitch
2017-06-10T14:09:42 < Rob235> I just realized I can't use my mpu9250 breakout in spi
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2017-06-10T14:48:27 < Rob235> $4.50 including shipping for mpu9250 + bmp280... nice
2017-06-10T14:50:34 < Rob235> ebay vs aliexpress?
2017-06-10T14:57:16 < englishman> lol that speaker
2017-06-10T14:57:23 < rajkosto> bmp280 on a breakout for 1.1$
2017-06-10T14:57:26 < rajkosto> on aliexpress
2017-06-10T14:58:01 < rajkosto> whoa mpu9250 breakout has a tantalum on it
2017-06-10T14:58:06 < rajkosto> demanding chip
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2017-06-10T14:59:32 < jpa-> eh?
2017-06-10T15:00:13 < rajkosto> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SPI-IIC-MPU9250-MPU-9250-MPU-9250-9-Axis-Attitude-Gyro-Accelerator-Magnetometer-Sensor-Module-MPU9250/32645535087.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.17.xcikTW&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10060_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_5030011_10084_10083_10119_10080_10082_10081_10110_519_1
2017-06-10T15:00:13 < rajkosto> 0111_10112_10113_10114_10179_10182_10078_10079_10073_10123_10120_10189_142,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=4e8cf1cf-b279-4eab-b518-4b319df30611&algo_expid=b21f0313-3c93-4b8a-bb8c-74f4763e3731-2&algo_pvid=b21f0313-3c93-4b8a-bb8c-74f4763e3731
2017-06-10T15:01:56 < englishman> nice serbian link bro
2017-06-10T15:02:10 < englishman> invading my chats
2017-06-10T15:03:48 < jpa-> having tantalum cap is a sign of demanding chip now? :D
2017-06-10T15:05:57 < Rob235> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MPU-9250-MPU9250-BMP280-SPI-IIC-I2C-10DOF-Acceleration-Gyroscope-Compass-9-Axis-Sensor-Board-Module/32806651950.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.207.iCSS5K&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_10130_10136_10137_10060_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_5030014_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_1
2017-06-10T15:05:57 < Rob235> 0110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10078_10079_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_50,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=3b509936-2aff-40f6-a180-f35047a266cb&algo_expid=26999a34-b284-4ca1-b7c1-dafa2a4a8b35-26&algo_pvid=26999a34-b284-4ca1-b7c1-dafa2a4a8b35
2017-06-10T15:05:59 < Rob235> whoa
2017-06-10T15:06:50 < Rob235> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MPU-9250-MPU9250-BMP280-SPI-IIC-I2C-10DOF-Acceleration-Gyroscope-Compass-9-Axis-Sensor-Board-Module/32806651950.html
2017-06-10T15:07:20 < Rob235> i meant both together...
2017-06-10T15:09:06 < Rob235> ordered 2 of the combos
2017-06-10T15:10:46 < rajkosto> jpa-, the chinks dont splurge like that unless its necessary
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2017-06-10T15:17:07 < Rob235> I have a nRF24L01+ transceiver pair and a bluefruit le uart, which should I add to my drone
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2017-06-10T15:40:09 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/L9CwyFC
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2017-06-10T15:42:10 < Laurenceb__> tfw bigger shitposter than JK Rowling
2017-06-10T15:46:13 < jadew> [15:17.12] <password8> oh wow , i see the rats nest got smarter since the last time i used it!
2017-06-10T15:46:15 < jadew> [15:23.57] <pipe> maybe it didn't get smarter, maybe you got dumber!
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2017-06-10T16:04:02 < crt> Stfn
2017-06-10T16:04:48 < crt> Lrnc
2017-06-10T16:05:02 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kvA2tchL/IMG_0294.JPG
2017-06-10T16:05:13 < crt> Look at this rig
2017-06-10T16:09:38 < rajkosto> this rig is amazing
2017-06-10T16:09:39 < rajkosto> give it a lick
2017-06-10T16:11:56 < crt> It's for steffan and laurence to enjoy together
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2017-06-10T16:43:50 < dongs> https://imgur.com/gallery/XOT47
2017-06-10T16:45:11 < dongs> (attn judew, there's your favorite WORMS gameplay in there)
2017-06-10T16:49:23 < dongs> looks ilke my wireless trash is here
2017-06-10T16:49:33 < dongs> now if I could only find something with an ethernet port to plug them into to configure
2017-06-10T16:51:50 < Steffanx> Lol crt
2017-06-10T16:52:05 < Steffanx> Are they kanjer good?
2017-06-10T16:54:09 < Laurenceb__> but where are the t-bags
2017-06-10T16:54:54 < Laurenceb__> is crt finally heading north?
2017-06-10T16:55:04 < jadew> dongs, I'd own that volume control
2017-06-10T16:55:17 < jadew> and now I feel like playing some worms
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2017-06-10T17:03:02 < rajkosto> armageddon ?
2017-06-10T17:03:43 < jadew> reloaded
2017-06-10T17:03:46 < jadew> you play?
2017-06-10T17:14:10 < Steffanx> I bought the original worms on steam a while ago
2017-06-10T17:14:20 < Steffanx> It wasnt as good as i remembered
2017-06-10T17:14:21 < rajkosto> is it on dosbox
2017-06-10T17:14:22 < crt> KRAPP
2017-06-10T17:14:27 < Steffanx> Yes rajkosto
2017-06-10T17:14:35 < crt> teabags were in kitchen son
2017-06-10T17:14:44 < Steffanx> I LOVE the theme song though
2017-06-10T17:15:59 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xy91OiFK/IMG_0295.JPG
2017-06-10T17:16:00 < crt> What the fuck is this blaxter
2017-06-10T17:16:30 < crt> Why do you poor misled sods even consider it
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2017-06-10T17:17:32 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uHzNk6A0/IMG_0296.JPG
2017-06-10T17:17:47 < crt> Chin up and have a fucken ciggy ya dogs
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2017-06-10T17:18:32 < Laurenceb__> goat chat is dead :(
2017-06-10T17:18:46 < Steffanx> Is it cold crt?
2017-06-10T17:18:54 < Steffanx> Lools cold
2017-06-10T17:18:56 < crt> Dw I've poured at least 800aud into your bars this week
2017-06-10T17:18:56 < Steffanx> Looks
2017-06-10T17:19:00 < crt> It is
2017-06-10T17:19:06 < Steffanx> And foam is like 2 fingers
2017-06-10T17:22:48 < Laurenceb__> you crazy drunk
2017-06-10T17:23:11 < crt> Rofl
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2017-06-10T17:23:38 < crt> No place refused me service
2017-06-10T17:24:02 < crt> The Jamie Oliver pizzeria was good
2017-06-10T17:24:47 < crt> Big Ben was going off its tits
2017-06-10T17:25:19 < crt> Nice security there too
2017-06-10T17:25:32 < crt> Lots of mp5s and ar15s
2017-06-10T17:25:50 < crt> Shoot those ala snackbar fuckwits to bits
2017-06-10T17:31:36 < Steffanx> How on facken earth you can have a flash only website in 2017 ?!
2017-06-10T17:31:57 < Steffanx> Jamie Oliver pizzeria? That sounds like an impossible combination
2017-06-10T17:32:09 < crt> Yeah ask the product distributor I work with
2017-06-10T17:32:17 < Steffanx> Or was it a pizza without a grain of salt.
2017-06-10T17:32:25 < crt> Idk
2017-06-10T17:32:27 < crt> I liked it
2017-06-10T17:32:48 < crt> Margherita is my fave btw
2017-06-10T17:33:05 < crt> My retarded vegan sister would like that too
2017-06-10T17:33:49 < crt> Wait she goes vegetarian whenever her fingers start to drop off
2017-06-10T17:34:58 < crt> Save the animals.exe caused a fatal exception
2017-06-10T17:38:24 < Steffanx> boring.
2017-06-10T17:38:29 < Steffanx> i like pollo.
2017-06-10T17:38:31 < Steffanx> chicken.
2017-06-10T17:39:01 < Rob235> pizza?
2017-06-10T17:39:11 < Rob235> what kind of chicken
2017-06-10T17:39:46 < rajkosto> https://i.imgur.com/vQFLNpJ.jpg some fucker is selling these "wireless genesis controllers" for 150$ each
2017-06-10T17:39:49 < Steffanx> pizza pollo speziale or something is what the local pizzaria calls it
2017-06-10T17:39:57 < Rob235> what is it
2017-06-10T17:40:14 < Steffanx> pizza with chicken some other pizza stuff
2017-06-10T17:40:17 < Rob235> ive had like buffalo and bbq chk pizza
2017-06-10T17:40:40 < Steffanx> that sounds yankee much
2017-06-10T17:40:56 < Rob235> you know what a fat sandwich is? my old uni invented them
2017-06-10T17:41:09 < Rob235> they are yankee to the max
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2017-06-10T17:41:46 < crt>  Niggerses
2017-06-10T17:41:48 < crt> Lol
2017-06-10T17:42:01 < crt> 16 BITT
2017-06-10T17:42:05 < Rob235> there are a lot of different ones but they are sandwiches with fried meals inside.  like mozzarella sticks, cheesesteak, french fries, chicken fingers, etc
2017-06-10T17:42:45 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/KfkozCo
2017-06-10T17:43:04 < vonnieda> Hi all, I am trying to get a really basic CAN example going and not seeing anything on the output pin. Chip is a STM32F103C8 and I'm basically just using CubeMX generated output + HAL_CAN_Transmit. Is there any reason I wouldn't at least see a single bit on my scope?
2017-06-10T17:46:52 < emeryth> vonnieda: have you connected the pins to a can transceiver or anything that simulates the bus?
2017-06-10T17:47:52 < vonnieda> emeryth: Yes, I've created a little mini bus with two transceivers and I never see a single transition on it. The HAL reports a timeout for the first three attempts to send, and then just goes into error state.
2017-06-10T17:48:40 < vonnieda> Hmmm... maybe nevermind. I think I just caught a transition.
2017-06-10T17:48:47 < vonnieda> I think maybe it was getting lost in startup noise.
2017-06-10T17:48:58 < vonnieda> I added a 2s delay between startup and tx and now I'm seeing an edge.
2017-06-10T17:50:13 < vonnieda> Man, I screwed with this for 3 hours last night and got nowhere, now I get some bits in the first 10 minutes of messing with it this morning.
2017-06-10T17:50:16 < vonnieda> Maybe I was too tired :)
2017-06-10T17:51:56 < vonnieda> Okay, one more question: If I don't config any filters, should that work okay and just let all frames through?
2017-06-10T17:52:50 < Steffanx> i believe it should. but you can try using the loopback mode
2017-06-10T17:53:17 < vonnieda> Steffanx: Oh, good idea! So if I use loopback mode I should receive the frames I send?
2017-06-10T17:53:23 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-06-10T17:53:27 < vonnieda> Perfect, thanks!
2017-06-10T17:53:30 < Steffanx> unless they are filtered.
2017-06-10T17:53:39 < Steffanx> *dont pass the filter
2017-06-10T17:53:53 < crt> I like to give him kisses
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2017-06-10T17:59:23 < crt> Brexit
2017-06-10T17:59:41 < crt> Bon  voyage
2017-06-10T18:10:05 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YnVZB3HQ/IMG_0297.JPG
2017-06-10T18:10:12 < crt> Pick the scab off of that one bunny
2017-06-10T18:13:30 < crt> Fucking iPhone
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2017-06-10T18:29:34 < Steffanx> You smoke crt ?
2017-06-10T18:30:39 < crt> Not usually
2017-06-10T18:31:33 < branjb> that's a good sized beer
2017-06-10T18:31:40 < crt> 'Tis
2017-06-10T18:32:01 < crt> Can't say I'll have time for another before I push off
2017-06-10T18:32:11 < branjb> flying?
2017-06-10T18:32:20 < crt> Yup
2017-06-10T18:32:30 < branjb> you can always get more in the air
2017-06-10T18:32:42 < branjb> usually piss beer though
2017-06-10T18:32:57 < crt> Doombar is good off the crAnker too
2017-06-10T18:34:08 < crt> My piss is usually better than jet a1
2017-06-10T18:38:24 < Laurenceb__> for some reason if I drink I smell of rotten fruit
2017-06-10T18:38:40 < Laurenceb__> prob cuz alcohol = rotten fruit + ethanol
2017-06-10T18:39:57 < Laurenceb__> stm32 got b&
2017-06-10T18:39:59 < Laurenceb__> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/06/10/0511222/british-pm-seeks-ban-on-encryption-after-terror-attack
2017-06-10T18:42:12 < jadew> so... the movie Life is decent
2017-06-10T18:42:36 < jadew> it has a couple of funny mistakes, but it's nice
2017-06-10T18:43:11 < Laurenceb__> my cousin is an alcoholic camwhore
2017-06-10T18:43:17 < branjb> what's her name
2017-06-10T18:43:21 < Laurenceb__> another reason I avoid alcohol
2017-06-10T18:43:36 < Laurenceb__> not saying but ur probably fappin to her
2017-06-10T18:43:41 < jadew> more importantly, what's her handle?
2017-06-10T18:44:11 < jadew> do you fap to her too?
2017-06-10T18:44:31 < branjb> i think cousins are cool in the UK
2017-06-10T18:47:04 < Laurenceb__> my dad found some of her videos
2017-06-10T18:47:15 < Laurenceb__> he said they were pretty hawt O_o
2017-06-10T18:48:16 < jadew> come on... share
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2017-06-10T18:55:39 < Laurenceb__> my aunt was a pron star in the 80s, my grandparents were her managers
2017-06-10T18:57:04 < crt> Funny that
2017-06-10T18:57:21 < Thorn> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/31/surveillance_law_compulsion/
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2017-06-10T19:04:08 < jadew> Laurenceb__, iafd link?
2017-06-10T19:04:50 < Laurenceb__> Thorn: it's unclear if they ever managed to pull that off
2017-06-10T19:04:59 < Laurenceb__> everyone said it wasn't feasible
2017-06-10T19:05:07 < emeb> batman is dead.
2017-06-10T19:05:14 < Thorn> all this sounds even worse than the Putin's internet strangulation
2017-06-10T19:05:40 < Laurenceb__> oh I thought you were linking to the internet records shit
2017-06-10T19:05:49 < Thorn> that's what they say here every time a new "regulation" is passed lol
2017-06-10T19:06:55 < Laurenceb__> prob just "passed" to scare people
2017-06-10T19:07:33 < Laurenceb__> aiui there was no money to actually install all the required servers, hard drives, and write the database tools
2017-06-10T19:08:42 < hetii> guys I need your help... I spend a bunch of time to be able to run dma sending or receiving from/to usart1 in stm32f030f4p6 Currently have such code for usart: https://pastebin.com/CLzjPRDr
2017-06-10T19:09:17 < hetii> As I notice when I use  channel 2 in  DMA_Config(void){} then my hello string is printed out
2017-06-10T19:09:25 < hetii> but when change it to channel 4 then not
2017-06-10T19:10:38 < hetii> according page 4 in this datasheet http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/ac/cb/d7/31/a9/ae/4a/43/DM00053400.pdf/files/DM00053400.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00053400.pdf
2017-06-10T19:10:52 < hetii> channel4 should also handle usart1_tx event
2017-06-10T19:11:08 < hetii> so my question is why it works just with cannel2?
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2017-06-10T19:15:34 < crt> Laurenceb__: how's Chris?
2017-06-10T19:15:54 < Laurenceb__> he was livestreaming a few days ago
2017-06-10T19:16:00 < Thorn> hetii: that is not a datasheet. see RM0360
2017-06-10T19:16:26 < Thorn> page 159 table 27 footnote 1
2017-06-10T19:16:32 < Thorn> (RM0360 rev. 4)
2017-06-10T19:16:51 < Laurenceb__> here he looks almost normal https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:0782-CWCSpread.JPG
2017-06-10T19:17:10 < Thorn> "DMA request mapped on this DMA channel only if ..."
2017-06-10T19:17:14 < Laurenceb__> https://sonichu.com/w/images/9/9c/Lapse.gif
2017-06-10T19:17:15 < hetii> Thorn, thx with check it
2017-06-10T19:17:17 < rajkosto> dont call him by his slave name
2017-06-10T19:18:23 < Laurenceb__> https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:OmegaconB.jpg
2017-06-10T19:18:33 < Laurenceb__> before and after trolling
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2017-06-10T19:43:21 < hetii> Thorn, according RM0360 footnote 2 to use channel4 I should USART1TX_DMA_RMP in CFGR1 so I add  SYSCFG->CFGR1 |= SYSCFG_CFGR1_USART1TX_DMA_RMP; but still cannot send data by using channel4
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2017-06-10T19:44:43 < Steffanx> Facken smoker crt
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2017-06-10T19:45:38 < crt> Smokers
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2017-06-10T19:46:41 < Steffanx> Vaper too?
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2017-06-10T19:52:33 < invzim> yay, brother-in-law brought me thermaltronic tips from the US \o/
2017-06-10T19:52:46 < rajkosto> just the tips ?
2017-06-10T19:52:55 < invzim> just the tip :)
2017-06-10T19:52:56 < Laurenceb__> smoking is even moar b& in aus than uk
2017-06-10T19:53:31 < Rob235> thats a great game
2017-06-10T19:53:38 < invzim> scored an unused metcal mx500 with talon tweezer for cheaps some time ago
2017-06-10T19:53:57 < Laurenceb__>  > An increasing number of women in Japan are reporting they have been tricked into acting in pornographic photographs and films
2017-06-10T19:54:00 < Laurenceb__>  > tricked
2017-06-10T19:54:17 < invzim> I would like to learn that trick
2017-06-10T19:54:46 < Laurenceb__> TIL: The trademark screeching and such during JAVs is so they can say they hated it later
2017-06-10T19:55:06 < rajkosto> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1054867-coaxed-into-a-snafu ?
2017-06-10T19:55:16 < Rob235> I always forget what TIL stands for
2017-06-10T19:55:21 < rajkosto> today i learned
2017-06-10T19:55:26 < Rob235> yea already looked it up
2017-06-10T19:55:43 < rajkosto> too insidious lewds
2017-06-10T19:55:55 < Rob235> I got arrested for public lewdness
2017-06-10T19:56:35 < Rob235> that was a fun court appearance
2017-06-10T19:56:45 < Laurenceb__> I got arrested for handing of DVDs of cats being tortured to death :(
2017-06-10T19:57:06 < rajkosto> why arent you banend from life
2017-06-10T19:57:14 < Laurenceb__> no court appearance, they let me off with a warning
2017-06-10T19:57:33 < Laurenceb__> it was at a PETA protest
2017-06-10T19:57:51 < rajkosto> ah understandable
2017-06-10T19:58:16 < Rob235> I was having sex with my gf on a nude beach, not my greatest decision. my gf was supposed to be lookout, I was more paranoid so I kept turning around to her view and I look and a cop is walking right up to us and she didnt even notice
2017-06-10T19:58:17 < hetii> Thorn, I try also use SYSCFG_DMAChannelRemapConfig(SYSCFG_DMARemap_USART1Tx, ENABLE); but still no success :/
2017-06-10T19:59:35 < Laurenceb__> >  on a nude beach
2017-06-10T19:59:42 < Laurenceb__> >  a cop is walking right up to us
2017-06-10T19:59:47 < Rob235> yea so at least it wasnt indecent exposure
2017-06-10T19:59:51 < Laurenceb__> hmm what was cop doing...
2017-06-10T19:59:59 < Rob235> said he saw us with binoculars....
2017-06-10T20:00:01 < Rob235> perv
2017-06-10T20:00:02 < rajkosto> was the cop nude as well ?
2017-06-10T20:00:04 < Rob235> no
2017-06-10T20:00:09 < rajkosto> if not then he was breaking the nude beach rules
2017-06-10T20:00:09 < Rob235> he was in uniform
2017-06-10T20:00:13 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2017-06-10T20:00:27 < Laurenceb__> wuz this in muricaland?
2017-06-10T20:00:31 < Rob235> yea
2017-06-10T20:00:34 < Rob235> strict no fun policy
2017-06-10T20:00:36 < Laurenceb__> ah that makes sense
2017-06-10T20:00:45 < rajkosto> strict everybody becomes a sexual offender and has to tell all their neighbours
2017-06-10T20:00:55 < Laurenceb__> last time I was in murica I was on a bus talking to the driver
2017-06-10T20:01:11 < Rob235> first what state?
2017-06-10T20:01:26 < Laurenceb__> driver was like "ok there is a pOlice officer who hides in this bush to look out"
2017-06-10T20:01:29 < Laurenceb__> Vermont
2017-06-10T20:01:35 < Rob235> ok
2017-06-10T20:01:37 < Laurenceb__> I was like "lol nice joke"
2017-06-10T20:01:52 < Laurenceb__> police officer pops up out of bush by traffic light
2017-06-10T20:01:54 < Rob235> to look out for what? speeders?
2017-06-10T20:01:57 < Laurenceb__> I'm lolling
2017-06-10T20:02:07 < Laurenceb__> driver is like "shut up or he will shoot you"
2017-06-10T20:02:36 < Rob235> I wish there were more places like hedo II
2017-06-10T20:03:18 < Rob235> that was a fun vacation
2017-06-10T20:08:04 < Rob235> if you have two of the same sensors for redundancy, is a good method to average them if the difference between them is small enough, otherwise take the one closer to the last reading?
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2017-06-10T20:24:58 < Laurenceb__> Hedonism resort O_o  ?
2017-06-10T20:25:02 < Rob235> yea
2017-06-10T20:25:09 < Rob235> II is in jamaica
2017-06-10T20:25:14 < Laurenceb__> Rob235 confirmed as drug addict with HIV
2017-06-10T20:25:32 < Rob235> I dont think there is a I anymore, I think III is still around, in DR maybe
2017-06-10T20:25:46 < Rob235> I only touched my gf
2017-06-10T20:25:52 < Laurenceb__> see here in UK we just have atticexperience.uk/home.html
2017-06-10T20:26:12 < Laurenceb__> looks Rob235 tier
2017-06-10T20:26:28 < Rob235> yea those clubs dont really interest me, I prefer sun and outdoors
2017-06-10T20:27:40 < Laurenceb__>  > TIL in nip land  in nipland all they do is tell your average idiot "you signed here so you have to get fucked now"
2017-06-10T20:27:56 < Rob235> wow, they have an under construction page like the 90s
2017-06-10T20:28:09 < Rob235> (gallery)
2017-06-10T20:28:21 < Laurenceb__> lul no fappin for Rob
2017-06-10T20:30:06 < Laurenceb__> how I picture Rob235 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zPKouCYAAyT3B.jpg
2017-06-10T20:31:07 < Rob235> I'm no jock, even if he's a preppy jock
2017-06-10T20:34:40 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-okdwv09g
2017-06-10T20:34:58 < Laurenceb__> Poe strikes again
2017-06-10T20:46:03 < Rob235> mpu9250 self test is a pain
2017-06-10T21:02:22 < Laurenceb__> mpu9250 is abit shit tbh
2017-06-10T21:03:07 < Laurenceb__> lsm9ds1 ftw
2017-06-10T21:03:11 < Laurenceb__> if you can solder it
2017-06-10T21:03:25 < Rob235> hmm googling
2017-06-10T21:06:41 < Rob235> is it just less noisey? why is it better
2017-06-10T21:08:26 < Laurenceb__> lower drift
2017-06-10T21:08:39 < Laurenceb__> pita to solder tho
2017-06-10T21:10:31 < Rob235> meh, I just ordered two mpu9250+bmp280 breakouts
2017-06-10T21:10:38 < Rob235> plus I already started on the library
2017-06-10T21:10:40 < Rob235> they are fine
2017-06-10T21:14:38 < branjb> lsm9ds1 survived a pressure test to 10K PSI
2017-06-10T21:14:44 < branjb> mpu9250 stopped working on same test
2017-06-10T21:17:27 < Rob235> yea... wont affect me
2017-06-10T21:17:48 < branjb> what if your quad copter crashes in the ocean and sinks to 5000m
2017-06-10T21:17:53 < branjb> and then somehow you get it back
2017-06-10T21:17:58 < Rob235> good point!
2017-06-10T21:18:00 < branjb> mpu9250 your IMU is fucked
2017-06-10T21:18:07 < Rob235> damn waste of $4.50
2017-06-10T21:18:08 < branjb> lsm9ds1 you are good to go
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2017-06-10T21:23:58 < englishman> invzim: fyi tme.eu carries thermaldonix
2017-06-10T21:24:07 < englishman> bottled 1600 bottles of wine this morning
2017-06-10T21:24:36 < englishman> like 20 people working 2 production lines
2017-06-10T21:25:11 < englishman> lol 10k psi
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2017-06-10T21:27:05 < invzim> M6DS529	Thermaltronics Hoof 60deg 1.52mm (0.06") interchangeable for Metcal SMTC-0167
2017-06-10T21:27:08 < invzim> M6SB276	Thermaltronics Bent Sharp 30deg 0.5mm (0.02") interchangeable for Metcal STTC-044
2017-06-10T21:27:20 < invzim> in exhange for 2x2tb 3.5" I was no longer using :)
2017-06-10T21:27:40 < invzim> 10k psi is serious
2017-06-10T21:27:58 < invzim> wtf, 10k?!?
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2017-06-10T21:28:09 < englishman> hmm tips must have gone up in price, i dont remember them being $30
2017-06-10T21:28:33 < englishman> M6DS529 is $33.9 at tme.eu, M6SB276 isnt listed
2017-06-10T21:28:37 < englishman> Laurenceb__: fuck AXSEM
2017-06-10T21:28:48 < englishman> semtech needs like 3 register writes to get to full tx/rx state
2017-06-10T21:29:10 < englishman> AXSEM required 12 bit addressing to write all the fucking registers just to start a carrier wave
2017-06-10T21:29:45 < invzim> how can you open a bottle if it's 10k psi? :)  7 bar is what I have my bike tires, which is pretty hard, and that's like a 100psi
2017-06-10T21:30:20 < Laurenceb__> branjb: building an ocean ROV?
2017-06-10T21:31:22 < englishman> my program is like 1k smaller using drv_RFM98.c vs drv_AXSHIT.c
2017-06-10T21:33:09 < invzim> ah, my WINE is playing trick on me 10k psi not related to wine bottles :)
2017-06-10T21:33:10 < Laurenceb__> hmm http://hackaday.com/2017/06/09/electronics-that-can-handle-the-pressure/
2017-06-10T21:33:33 < Laurenceb__> branjb confirmed as Nic Bingham
2017-06-10T21:36:31 < crt> Cuckaday
2017-06-10T21:36:39 < Ultrasauce> https://www.reddit.com/r/PrintedCircuitBoard/comments/6gemux/review_custom_ordered_pcbsomething_looks_wrong/
2017-06-10T21:37:17 < englishman> hahahaha
2017-06-10T21:37:54 < englishman> hahahahahaha
2017-06-10T21:38:29 < Ultrasauce> it gets better the more i look at it
2017-06-10T21:39:28 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-10T21:39:36 < englishman> it starts off bad and gets worse
2017-06-10T21:46:54 < Laurenceb__> wew
2017-06-10T21:47:49 < branjb> Laurenceb__: my senior project was doing a pan tilt mechanism for underwater ROVs that go to ~5km down
2017-06-10T21:48:13 < Laurenceb__> ah nice
2017-06-10T21:48:57 < branjb> was weird because lots of shit doesn't work under that much pressure and there is no app notes that describes components under pressure
2017-06-10T21:53:02 < Laurenceb__> well I'd expect mems to break
2017-06-10T21:53:11 < Laurenceb__> did you break any non mems stuff?
2017-06-10T21:53:12 < branjb> actually mems was the only thing that would work
2017-06-10T21:53:25 < branjb> we tried standard crystals and oscillators and none of them would oscillate under pressure
2017-06-10T21:53:29 < branjb> except a few mems ones
2017-06-10T21:53:36 < Laurenceb__> well that makes sense
2017-06-10T21:54:04 < branjb> the only ones that worked were certain SiT mems
2017-06-10T21:54:15 < branjb> SIT8918AA specifically
2017-06-10T21:54:20 < Laurenceb__> ok
2017-06-10T21:54:23 < Laurenceb__> https://i.imgtc.com/dx7BAbg.png
2017-06-10T22:18:48 < upgrdman> typical asian   https://streamable.com/f464v
2017-06-10T22:24:50 < crt> Nigger trigger
2017-06-10T22:32:40 < Steffanx> Bigger dicker.
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2017-06-10T22:56:47 < englishman> yum
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2017-06-10T23:21:03 < invzim> crt: which ethnic group, race, religion or sexual orientation do you associate with, and which is your favorite derogatory term for it?
2017-06-10T23:24:00 < zyp> haha
2017-06-10T23:24:03 < crt> White
2017-06-10T23:24:09 < crt> Dumbcunt
2017-06-10T23:24:20 < crt> Thank.
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2017-06-10T23:27:09 < Steffanx> AUSSIE.
2017-06-10T23:27:41 < Steffanx> and pumper. Pumper for sure.
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2017-06-11T00:11:20 < Laurenceb__> Bogan
2017-06-11T00:11:43 < zyp> Laurenceb__, so, have you been on a date with crt yet?
2017-06-11T00:12:27 < Laurenceb__> no he refuses to leave the bar
2017-06-11T00:12:38 < zyp> and you refuse to enter it?
2017-06-11T00:18:40 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/0hyGw.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/8rapq.jpg <- I made some shit tonight
2017-06-11T00:24:50 < emeb> someone's gettin' steppy
2017-06-11T00:25:16 < zyp> yeah, my 3d printer is so shitty I'm printing a better one
2017-06-11T00:25:37 < emeb> it's 3D printers all the way down
2017-06-11T00:26:05 < zyp> although I suspect I'll have a friend print most of it, my old one doesn't have very good tolerances
2017-06-11T00:27:24 < Laurenceb__> SLS is the only worthwhile 3D printer
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2017-06-11T00:27:43 < zyp> worthwhile for what?
2017-06-11T00:29:21 < Thorn> the datasheet is wrong http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/P2N2222A-D.PDF
2017-06-11T00:29:23 < zyp> the new formlabs SLS printer looks fairly neat, but you're gonna print a while to break even on the $10k price tag
2017-06-11T00:29:27 < Thorn> (the pinout)
2017-06-11T00:29:36 < Thorn> posting cats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K28GQ8MkqWE
2017-06-11T00:29:54 < zyp> and dealing with nylon dust doesn't seem very fun either
2017-06-11T00:30:15 < Laurenceb__> who needs your own printer
2017-06-11T00:30:29 < Laurenceb__> nylon SLS is like UKP10/L
2017-06-11T00:37:48 < Thorn> turns out I have 2 types of 2n2222, one has beta ~200, the other ~300
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2017-06-11T00:49:14 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-06-11T00:51:30 < hetii> I still have some issue with dma and usart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24826672/
2017-06-11T00:52:20 < hetii> i`m able to get/send data by dma only when use channel 2/3 when try use channel 5 receiving don`t work :/
2017-06-11T00:54:36 < hetii> It seams that SYSCFG_DMAChannelRemapConfig(SYSCFG_DMARemap_USART1Rx, ENABLE) is ignored.
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2017-06-11T01:19:13 < englishman> https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/aug/14/eyewitness-tianjin-china-chemical-explosion-video
2017-06-11T01:20:15 < kakimir> interesting url
2017-06-11T01:21:25 < Laurenceb__> I like how emdrive has just gone silent
2017-06-11T01:21:39 < Laurenceb__> same as eestor and orbo went silent
2017-06-11T01:22:17 < kakimir> wow
2017-06-11T01:22:23 < crt> Fucking stffn
2017-06-11T01:22:25 < englishman> but thetraveller promised something huge next tuesday
2017-06-11T01:22:26 < kakimir> that was good englishman
2017-06-11T01:22:31 < englishman> i kno right
2017-06-11T01:22:37 < Laurenceb__> On February 16, 2016 EEStor announced a new director – Michael Michalyshyn.[22] Michael Michalyshyn is an experienced attorney with a background in licensing and intellectual property law.[23] As head of BlackBerry's Technology Licensing group,
2017-06-11T01:22:37 < kakimir> chinese know fireworks
2017-06-11T01:22:45 < Laurenceb__> I can't even right now
2017-06-11T01:23:38 < crt> Laurenceb__: I didn't manage to take Assange back
2017-06-11T01:24:02 < crt> He didn't take the bait
2017-06-11T01:26:19 < crt> emdrive oh yeah that thing
2017-06-11T01:26:46 < crt> Have good memories of an eestor pumper
2017-06-11T01:29:03 < Rob235> https://pastebin.com/YhW5YSWb
2017-06-11T01:29:07 < Rob235> can I ignore that error
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2017-06-11T01:30:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yt6JjJL26M richard hammond did it again
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2017-06-11T01:33:16 < crt> Yeah
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2017-06-11T01:34:27 < kakimir> his touch for driving is slipping
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2017-06-11T01:36:39 < crt> Peter BROCK?
2017-06-11T01:37:07 < crt> The true Australian
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2017-06-11T01:38:10 < Rob235> crt, was that yea for me or kakimir
2017-06-11T01:40:11 < kakimir> are you trying to understand what crt means when he says things..
2017-06-11T01:40:57 < Thorn> Rob235: you can ignore it unless you enabled optimisations that rely on strict aliasing
2017-06-11T01:41:16 < Rob235> pretty sure I didnt
2017-06-11T01:41:19 < Rob235> thanks
2017-06-11T01:42:14 < Thorn> to be correct you can copy the value into a char[] and then into a uint32_t using e.g. memcpy()
2017-06-11T01:42:22 < Thorn> most people don't bother
2017-06-11T01:43:04 < Rob235> will it slow it down noticably
2017-06-11T01:43:15 < Rob235> this used a lot
2017-06-11T01:43:19 < Rob235> is used*
2017-06-11T01:43:28 < tpw_rules> Rob235: it doesn't work unless you add the comment
2017-06-11T01:43:41 < Rob235> huh?
2017-06-11T01:43:45 < tpw_rules> //what the fuck?
2017-06-11T01:44:15 < Rob235> I hope you are joking
2017-06-11T01:44:49 < tpw_rules> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root#Overview_of_the_code
2017-06-11T01:46:18 < Rob235> do you actually have a reason my code is worse than what you pasted or do you just assume a random google search is the answer
2017-06-11T01:47:51 < tpw_rules> it was a joke
2017-06-11T01:47:59 < tpw_rules> that's the most famous implementation of what you're trying to do
2017-06-11T01:48:10 < Rob235> doesn't mean its the fastest
2017-06-11T01:48:22 < tpw_rules> it's the same one
2017-06-11T01:48:32 < tpw_rules> except for slightly different constants
2017-06-11T01:48:33 < Rob235> I havent read it but unless you are going to tell me why its better, I dont see the point
2017-06-11T01:48:38 < Rob235> ok...
2017-06-11T01:48:39 < tpw_rules> it was a joke
2017-06-11T01:49:04 < Rob235> funny
2017-06-11T01:50:23 < tpw_rules> but yours works fine
2017-06-11T01:50:26 < tpw_rules> so idk why you care
2017-06-11T01:50:48 < tpw_rules> does it say which line the error is on
2017-06-11T01:50:52 < tpw_rules> or is it just both lines
2017-06-11T01:50:56 < Rob235> I haven't tested it, just wasnt sure what the error meant and I guess I was too lazy to look it up
2017-06-11T01:51:03 < Rob235> both
2017-06-11T01:51:07 < tpw_rules> ah ok
2017-06-11T02:05:13 < englishman> A hot air balloon is landing behind the house
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2017-06-11T02:05:50 < kakimir> pix
2017-06-11T02:43:30 < kakimir> how is innovation today?
2017-06-11T03:04:05 < Laurenceb__> Ariana Grande moarliek Ariane 5
2017-06-11T03:14:37 < Thorn> wtf is Adesto Technologies
2017-06-11T03:20:10 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/Zwpzo
2017-06-11T03:21:01 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: do you have celeb crush for Ariana?
2017-06-11T03:21:37 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/gallery/yC2fHES
2017-06-11T03:22:50 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/r4OGL
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2017-06-11T04:17:42 < Rob235> how does spi work? share the 3 lines and each periph has its own cable select to set active periph?
2017-06-11T04:33:16 < Thorn> chip select
2017-06-11T04:33:54 < Rob235> close enough :)
2017-06-11T04:34:04 < Streaker> You can wire the chip select pin to a particular memory location
2017-06-11T04:34:11 < Rob235> ok so its active low I see
2017-06-11T04:34:50 < Rob235> just figuring out how to write this bmp280 library for these mpu9250+bmp280 combo breakouts I just ordered
2017-06-11T04:34:57 < Rob235> easy enough
2017-06-11T04:35:16 < Thorn> the MISO pin of a slave is supposed to be high impedance when /CS is inactive
2017-06-11T04:35:58 < Rob235> I didnt realize the bmp280 updated so quick. up to 157 Hz, figured it would be like 50 maybe 100
2017-06-11T04:36:02 < Thorn> some make:r favorite chip fails to do that properly
2017-06-11T04:37:35 < Rob235> could you connect it on the mpu9250's aux i2c line and read it as a slave automatically into the external sensors data registers?
2017-06-11T04:37:56 < Rob235> or would the aux i2c lines not be available
2017-06-11T04:38:25 < Rob235> same way as the magnetometer is what I mean
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2017-06-11T04:52:22 < aandrew> < Thorn> the MISO pin of a slave is supposed to be high impedance when /CS is inactive
2017-06-11T04:52:28 < aandrew> careful, that is *not* always the case
2017-06-11T04:53:45 < aandrew> on new designs where I can't gurantee that I"ll use a 1G244 or something to force it tristate when CS# is high, and have a zero ohm resistor to bypass the gate once we're sure its safe
2017-06-11T04:59:23 < Rob235> no idea what that means
2017-06-11T05:02:08 < Rob235> bmp280....bosch is recommending 26 hz (lots of sampling/filtering) for 'indoor navigation' is that a good recommendation?
2017-06-11T05:06:28 < Laurenceb__> seems very slow
2017-06-11T05:06:42 < Rob235> agreed. I was just thinking, I can always filter it myself
2017-06-11T05:06:43 < Laurenceb__> I had 125Hz running on F1
2017-06-11T05:06:45 < Laurenceb__> nofpu
2017-06-11T05:07:13 < Laurenceb__> but indoor navigation using accel in not going to work
2017-06-11T05:07:19 < Laurenceb__> way too much drift
2017-06-11T05:10:35 < Rob235> i dont plan on doing any indoor anyway but still want that kind of accuracy if I can get it
2017-06-11T05:10:45 < Rob235> I have ultrasonic for low altitude anyway
2017-06-11T05:10:51 < Laurenceb__> you can't
2017-06-11T05:10:56 < Rob235> ?
2017-06-11T05:11:01 < Laurenceb__> unless you have low drift accel and 5hz gps
2017-06-11T05:11:11 < Rob235> cant what
2017-06-11T05:11:32 < Laurenceb__> well I got about 25cm position errors with 5Hz gps
2017-06-11T05:11:50 < Rob235> i'm only talking about the bmp280 pressure sensor
2017-06-11T05:11:57 < Laurenceb__> oh right
2017-06-11T05:12:06 < Laurenceb__> yeah low noise altitude is pretty doable
2017-06-11T05:12:27 < Laurenceb__> my problem with that I used openpilot EKF code
2017-06-11T05:12:44 < Laurenceb__> which was numerically unstable
2017-06-11T05:12:45 < Rob235> ever find good ekf code?
2017-06-11T05:12:55 < Laurenceb__> yeah openpilot is crazy optimised
2017-06-11T05:13:18 < Laurenceb__> back in 2011 when I tried this is ran at 125hz on F1
2017-06-11T05:13:20 < Rob235> you just said openpilot was unstable
2017-06-11T05:13:25 < Rob235> oh
2017-06-11T05:13:25 < Rob235> hah
2017-06-11T05:13:30 < Laurenceb__> but was plagued by stability issues
2017-06-11T05:13:35 < Rob235> so its good now
2017-06-11T05:13:56 < Laurenceb__> maybe...
2017-06-11T05:14:00 < Laurenceb__> aiui they gave up
2017-06-11T05:14:14 < Laurenceb__> and wrote lame complimentary filter
2017-06-11T05:14:42 < Rob235> you just said it was crazy optimized
2017-06-11T05:14:43 < Laurenceb__> but aiui more recently they had another go, so maybe
2017-06-11T05:15:07 < Laurenceb__> yeah they optimised the floating point crazy well
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2017-06-11T05:15:36 < Laurenceb__> but didnt realise it was unstable
2017-06-11T05:15:37 < Rob235> oh so it ran fast but did a shit jovb
2017-06-11T05:15:37 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2017-06-11T05:15:41  * Laurenceb__ zzz
2017-06-11T05:15:41 < Rob235> i see
2017-06-11T05:19:42 < ohsix> Laurenceb__: https://twitter.com/vrunt/status/873587518561824768
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2017-06-11T05:28:15 < rajkosto> y u hatin on art connosaur
2017-06-11T06:33:48 < Cerpin> According to the comments in ST's provided startup file "_ebss" is "always internal RAM used" -- what does that actually mean? Just the end addr of the device's RAM?
2017-06-11T06:38:40 < dongs> https://s24.postimg.org/kpzsazj85/Untitled.jpg child abuse
2017-06-11T06:43:54 < Cerpin> (nvm, got it)
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2017-06-11T07:38:18 < vonnieda> Is there a reference somewhere for suggested CAN bus bit timings for STM32?
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2017-06-11T07:56:46 < ohsix> butts
2017-06-11T07:59:42 < ohsix> vonnieda: like clock tree configurations?
2017-06-11T08:00:19 < vonnieda> ohsix: No, looking for bit timing suggestions for hitting specific CAN bus speeds at microcontroller frequencies.
2017-06-11T08:00:40 < vonnieda> Like if I want my bus to be 500kbit/s and my clock is 72 MHz, what are good suggested bit timings
2017-06-11T08:00:54 < vonnieda> There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice
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2017-06-11T08:02:06 < rajkosto> the CAN controller is implemented in hardware tho ?
2017-06-11T08:02:36 < vonnieda> Yea, but you still have to tell it what the bit timings are for the specific bus frequency you want.
2017-06-11T08:02:54 < vonnieda> It's basically how you set the baud rate for the bus
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2017-06-11T08:11:45 < ohsix> it's actually called bit timing in can instead of some clock divisor?
2017-06-11T08:25:22 < rajkosto> hi
2017-06-11T08:25:33 < rajkosto> chip setup for using a 4.2v LiPo ? and charging it over usb
2017-06-11T08:25:52 < rajkosto> and the stm32 should know if its charging/the %/charged
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2017-06-11T08:51:50 < ohsix> not easy to try and figure out charge percentage
2017-06-11T08:51:56 < ohsix> not for lipo anyways
2017-06-11T08:52:20 < ohsix> you can check the voltage drop on the charger side to see if it is charging
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2017-06-11T09:23:24 < rajkosto> there's chips for this
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2017-06-11T12:05:22 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-11T12:05:47 < ohsix> rajkosto: 'course there is
2017-06-11T12:05:55 < ohsix> not a lot that do charge level inference tho
2017-06-11T12:06:04 < rajkosto> whats recommended one for 201x
2017-06-11T12:06:10 < ohsix> tp4056 or whatever will charge it and there's some io lines for charge state
2017-06-11T12:06:13 < ohsix> eh
2017-06-11T12:06:16 < ohsix> the cheapest one
2017-06-11T12:06:28 < ohsix> then find something else when it is really indicated
2017-06-11T12:06:30 < rajkosto> does it do power source switching or
2017-06-11T12:06:38 < ohsix> it can do
2017-06-11T12:06:45 < ohsix> and brownout stuff, hold reset/turn output off
2017-06-11T12:06:54 < rajkosto> so my dc2dc gets fed by usb when usb is connected, by battery otherwise
2017-06-11T12:07:28 < ohsix> sec there's like a 5c board that does that, let me see what's on it
2017-06-11T12:07:37 < rajkosto> this is a lithium ion charger ?
2017-06-11T12:10:31 < rajkosto> guess it doesnt matter i just set the constant current to whats on the package
2017-06-11T12:10:34 < ohsix> ah hrm the one i was thinking of just has the cell protecion on the board
2017-06-11T12:11:55 < rajkosto> sop8 is a larg package too
2017-06-11T12:12:15 < rajkosto> ones ive usually seen are tiny
2017-06-11T12:12:33 < ohsix> how well characterized is the battery going to be, you can do some stuff with duty cycle to roughly estimate age
2017-06-11T12:13:17 < ohsix> guess the charging while running thing makes a bit of a mess of it
2017-06-11T12:13:48 < rajkosto> i just want a % :|
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2017-06-11T12:43:31 < ohsix> you could undersize the battery to make the discharge curve steeper ;]
2017-06-11T12:52:14 < dongs> rajkosto: are you taking advice from amp!six
2017-06-11T13:09:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HWYSiEw.jpg my wireless shit is setup. tested with antenna through window, will need to run PoE cable over to the 2 receivers
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2017-06-11T13:57:12 < kakimir> nice
2017-06-11T13:57:25 < kakimir> how much?
2017-06-11T13:57:26 < kakimir> dongs:
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2017-06-11T14:00:13 < kakimir> I'm currently bullying myself with such project
2017-06-11T14:01:09 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX29lNHFmS250N28?usp=sharing
2017-06-11T14:01:17 < kakimir> use marine silicone they said
2017-06-11T14:01:32 < kakimir> appears it it shittyest glue
2017-06-11T14:01:38 < kakimir> it is
2017-06-11T14:02:06 < kakimir> I can just pull it off
2017-06-11T14:02:48 < kakimir> it partially defeats the purpose of having tube as I need to make a breather there
2017-06-11T14:03:12 < kakimir> else air pressure just blows the caps out in the worst case
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2017-06-11T14:11:08 < kakimir> also after first one I heard I need to not only sand the surfaces but also acetone them
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2017-06-11T14:28:54 < hetii> Hi
2017-06-11T14:33:27 < Steffanx> lol, quite a mess you made there kakimir
2017-06-11T14:34:04 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-11T14:34:09 < kakimir> uglee!!!
2017-06-11T14:34:15 < Steffanx> uglue yes
2017-06-11T14:34:29 < kakimir> you know what is fun
2017-06-11T14:34:41 < Steffanx> Yes, but im not sure what you are referring to
2017-06-11T14:34:49 < kakimir> I have bond+seal that does perfect jubb every time
2017-06-11T14:34:59 < kakimir> and is exact color of PVC
2017-06-11T14:35:06 < Steffanx> :)
2017-06-11T14:35:18 < kakimir> only concern is UV wear
2017-06-11T14:36:28 < Steffanx> Why didnt you go for some screw connections?
2017-06-11T14:36:37 < hetii> Q: Do I need to change something else to remap dma channel for usart in  stm32f030f4p6? I try already: SYSCFG_DMAChannelRemapConfig(SYSCFG_DMARemap_USART1Tx /RX, ENABLE); but still my events are on channel 2/3 instead 4/5 and have no clue what wrong...
2017-06-11T14:39:31 < kakimir> Steffanx: you mean some cap or so?
2017-06-11T14:39:36 < Steffanx> Yes kakimir
2017-06-11T14:39:44 < kakimir> 40eur a piece
2017-06-11T14:39:55 < Steffanx> Can't be true.
2017-06-11T14:39:56 < kakimir> 2ends of the pipe
2017-06-11T14:40:18 < kakimir> 75mm PVC end cap
2017-06-11T14:40:23 < kakimir> check it out
2017-06-11T14:40:34 < Steffanx> Yes, im doing that right now
2017-06-11T14:41:37 < kakimir> hmm
2017-06-11T14:41:47 < Steffanx> http://www.voskunststoffen.nl/images/gallery/220/1024X768/Afvoer-PVC---Eindstuk-met-schroefdeksel-(spie)-k.jpg something like that is just 4.20 euro
2017-06-11T14:42:00 < Steffanx> not exactly what i had in mind, but .. close enough
2017-06-11T14:42:29 < kakimir> is that 68mm diameter?
2017-06-11T14:42:39 < Steffanx> it says 75mm
2017-06-11T14:42:52 < kakimir> to fit inside it need so be something like 68
2017-06-11T14:42:55 < Steffanx> other websites sell it for even less. 2.60
2017-06-11T14:43:02 < kakimir> damn
2017-06-11T14:43:14 < kakimir> I bougt 25mm caps for more than that
2017-06-11T14:43:17 < kakimir> without screw
2017-06-11T14:43:20 < Steffanx> :D
2017-06-11T14:43:33 < kakimir> hashtag finland prices
2017-06-11T14:43:41 < kakimir> hashtag support local distributors
2017-06-11T14:43:47 < Steffanx> #internet <3
2017-06-11T14:43:56 < kakimir> fuck me
2017-06-11T14:44:06 < sync> dutchlandspeak, so kawaii
2017-06-11T14:44:16 < kakimir> I need to order those to cope with the situation
2017-06-11T14:44:20 < Steffanx> windmill language.
2017-06-11T14:44:40 < kakimir> I don't feel like continuing doing crap
2017-06-11T14:45:01 < Steffanx> hetii, some quick googling shows that that should be enough hetii
2017-06-11T14:45:42 < Steffanx> Did you enable the syscfg clock ( and/or checked if the actually setting is done in syscfg) hetii?
2017-06-11T14:46:30 < Steffanx> Isn't finland into internet shops much kakimir?
2017-06-11T14:46:59 < Steffanx> When i google for something like that i find a dozen dutch web shops that sell stuff like this.
2017-06-11T14:47:22 < Steffanx> And that even excludes the major DIY stores.
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2017-06-11T14:47:48 < Steffanx> Welcome tek2.
2017-06-11T14:48:02 < hetii> Steffanx, this is my bootstrap https://pastebin.com/pKNXEKMX
2017-06-11T14:48:09 < Steffanx> Long time no IRsee
2017-06-11T14:48:26 < Tectu> hi
2017-06-11T14:48:35 < Tectu> lol steffanx
2017-06-11T14:49:05 < Steffanx> I meant something like APB2PeriphClockCmd( RCC_APB2Periph_SYSCFG, ENABLE) hetii
2017-06-11T14:49:45 < hetii> Steffanx, hmm I don`t have it...
2017-06-11T14:50:03 < hetii> let me check if this is the missing part...
2017-06-11T14:54:19 < hetii> Steffanx, plase give me your address on private I will send you some good beer.
2017-06-11T14:55:05 < hetii> Such small think and I waste so much time to get it done ...
2017-06-11T14:55:29 < Steffanx> :d
2017-06-11T14:55:35 < Steffanx> It is known.
2017-06-11T14:56:28 < sync> yeah
2017-06-11T14:56:31 < sync> the rage is known
2017-06-11T14:57:08 < Steffanx> That's why it's always handy to check if the registers are actually set
2017-06-11T14:57:16 < Steffanx> if not you can be pretty sure you forgot some clock
2017-06-11T14:58:57 < Steffanx> Reminds me of LPC. Where I was unable to make some pin an output. Whetever i did, it didnt want to be an output
2017-06-11T15:00:26 < Steffanx> Then you read some parapgraph in the datasheet that pin x and y can only be in the same state. Or both input or both output. -_-
2017-06-11T15:02:07 < Steffanx> Reminds me i like stm32 more. LPC and it's weird quirks. Pins of some I2C port that can only be used as OD gpios, pins that need to be the same and crap
2017-06-11T15:03:27 < hetii> yep, I agree.
2017-06-11T15:04:13 < hetii> ok so today maybe I move forward a bit with my project.
2017-06-11T15:09:47 < hetii> Is there some mechanism for dma to reset circular buffer after some timeout?
2017-06-11T15:15:30 < Rob235> oi
2017-06-11T15:15:42 < Rob235> mpu9250 and bmp280 libraries just about finished
2017-06-11T15:16:12 < Rob235> well maybe not just about, but...
2017-06-11T15:22:59 < Steffanx> but.
2017-06-11T15:23:22 < Rob235> close
2017-06-11T15:23:39 < Rob235> I dont have the spi versions so I have to wait to test it
2017-06-11T15:24:52 < Rob235> also I usually say something is close to finished and I end up thinking of 100 more things to do
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2017-06-11T18:23:56 < Thorn> I checked my F0 projects and HAL_MspInit() generated by cube enables syscfg clock
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2017-06-11T19:39:49 < Steffanx> Fuck generated code..
2017-06-11T19:40:25 < Steffanx> We had quite a few "Help. I used cube to generate xxx and it does not work. Help" lately.
2017-06-11T19:45:55 < branjb> i bet a lot of that would be fixed if the cube generated code included peripheral start up
2017-06-11T19:46:30 < branjb> ie, 	HAL_ADC_Start(&hadc1);
2017-06-11T19:49:54 < rajkosto> well no, you trigger that manually
2017-06-11T19:50:02 < rajkosto> otherwise it'd be running all the time
2017-06-11T19:50:43 < branjb> that starts the ADC up, i thought HAL_ADC_PollForConversion(&hadc1, HAL_MAX_DELAY); is what you u sed to trigger it
2017-06-11T19:50:51 < rajkosto> nop
2017-06-11T19:50:54 < branjb> but i'm not doing battery shit so maybe my ADC is always running
2017-06-11T19:50:56 < rajkosto> if in continuous mode it will keep going forever
2017-06-11T19:51:04 < branjb> o
2017-06-11T19:51:04 < branjb> w/e
2017-06-11T19:51:07 < rajkosto> and if you use DMA, you need to give it the buffer to write to
2017-06-11T19:51:09 < branjb> ADC 4ever
2017-06-11T19:51:17 < rajkosto> so cube really cannot add that into the startup code
2017-06-11T19:51:18 < rajkosto> makes no sense
2017-06-11T19:51:25 < branjb> ok, but for other peripherals
2017-06-11T19:51:28 < branjb> ie, timers
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2017-06-11T19:52:55 < branjb> took me a bit to figure out you had to call something like 	HAL_TIM_OC_Start_IT(&htim1, TIM_CHANNEL_3);
2017-06-11T19:52:55 < branjb> to start it
2017-06-11T19:53:25 < Rob235> START_IT_NOW
2017-06-11T19:54:59 < branjb> ya
2017-06-11T19:55:25 < branjb> GET_TO_CHOPPA()
2017-06-11T20:27:48 < invzim> looks like I'll be the human pick&place machine..  any way in altium to annotate so that e.g. all 0.1uf 0603's are in sequence?
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2017-06-11T20:42:04 < rajkosto> i just sort by description/comment in schematic
2017-06-11T20:42:10 < rajkosto> then select them all
2017-06-11T20:42:19 < rajkosto> and then use that to grayout all the other ones in pcb view
2017-06-11T20:42:33 < rajkosto> ezpz to find them all in 3d view then
2017-06-11T20:46:55 < invzim> I guess, 52 x 0.1uf is going to get tedioius fast :)
2017-06-11T20:48:00 < rajkosto> smallest components go first
2017-06-11T20:48:17 < rajkosto> i had like 250 caps and 100 resistors on my board
2017-06-11T20:49:00 < rajkosto> wait no 150 caps and 100 resistors
2017-06-11T20:51:44 < rajkosto> at least you had a stencil :P
2017-06-11T20:51:51 < rajkosto> squirting paste manually is so annoying
2017-06-11T20:52:06 < englishman> sounds pro, you should use pro assembly for that
2017-06-11T20:52:26 < englishman> except for the 0603 part, that's very nonpro
2017-06-11T20:52:56 < rajkosto> my 1uf and 10uf are 0603
2017-06-11T20:53:06 < rajkosto> 0.47 100 and 10 are 0402
2017-06-11T20:53:10 < rajkosto> stability reasons
2017-06-11T20:53:51 < Steffanx> Time for beaver GP (Formula 1) englishman
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2017-06-11T20:54:34 < englishman> yes
2017-06-11T20:54:42 < englishman> yesterday would have been better
2017-06-11T20:54:56 < Steffanx> Uh?
2017-06-11T20:55:12 < englishman> crappy weather today
2017-06-11T20:55:23 < Steffanx> Its not raimy
2017-06-11T20:55:37 < Steffanx> And rainy is good for best dutchy :P
2017-06-11T20:56:28 < englishman> this lora is crazy easy
2017-06-11T20:56:43 < Steffanx> Yah?
2017-06-11T20:56:48 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-11T20:57:01 < Steffanx> Open sores lorawan stack?
2017-06-11T21:05:42 < englishman> nah all too gay
2017-06-11T21:05:45 < englishman> pretty easy to spin it up
2017-06-11T21:05:48 < englishman> im about 2h in
2017-06-11T21:05:57 < englishman> there are literally 1/50th the registers as axsem
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2017-06-11T21:28:40 < upgrdman_> dongs, https://i.imgur.com/1XK3kkn.gifv
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2017-06-11T21:32:08 < englishman> yeah txing/rxing reliably now
2017-06-11T21:32:16 < englishman> so also 1/50th the bringup time as AXSEM
2017-06-11T21:38:30 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BVLJn3pFqrA/
2017-06-11T21:39:02 < rajkosto> https://i.imgur.com/aV8nQLW.gifv
2017-06-11T21:45:49 < kakimir> any car diagnostic channel you know?
2017-06-11T21:46:00 < englishman> range is leagues better than AXSEM already
2017-06-11T21:46:25 < kakimir> I need to change some things in a BMW
2017-06-11T21:49:47 < englishman> i went and planted the transmitter in a planter box down the street. still working fine. axsem failed in the next room
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2017-06-11T21:59:44 < branjb> lora range is pretty sweet
2017-06-11T21:59:56 < branjb> what bw/sf settings you using
2017-06-11T22:03:00 < englishman> default
2017-06-11T22:03:01 < kakimir> anyone have played with autocom adapter?
2017-06-11T22:03:20 < englishman> shitty china normal-helical antennas too
2017-06-11T22:03:33 < englishman> got 500m thru metal building in the city
2017-06-11T22:03:37 < englishman> at 2dBm
2017-06-11T22:03:40 < englishman> pretty happy so far
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2017-06-11T22:44:35 < Steffanx> At your heart out Laurenceb?
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2017-06-11T22:58:10 < Steffanx> Nice story bro.
2017-06-11T23:00:46 < Steffanx> What bothered you the most R2COM.. the naked pic or the fag thing
2017-06-11T23:00:54 < Steffanx> Nevermind. dont care
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2017-06-11T23:29:32 < invzim> gerber time, finally \o/
2017-06-11T23:30:04 < invzim> think I'm going to treat myself and add a stencil :)
2017-06-11T23:30:22 < branjb> add a waffle too
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--- Day changed Mon Jun 12 2017
2017-06-12T00:01:54 < englishman> http://cardboard.airdtf.com:6969/
2017-06-12T00:02:07 < englishman> qyx:
2017-06-12T00:02:28 < englishman> went outside with it and it goes from ~400 lux to 120000 lux... pretty nice day outside today
2017-06-12T00:02:45 < englishman> 17000 lux in the shade
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2017-06-12T00:13:27 < upgrdman> thread safety question: if you have a number that will be incremented by one thread, and multiple other threads can read (but never write) that number, the increment code does NOT need to be atomic, right? the other threads will either see the old value or the new value, but nothign else is possible?
2017-06-12T00:14:01 < zyp> correct
2017-06-12T00:14:07 < upgrdman> k thx
2017-06-12T00:14:43 < zyp> if multiple threads are incrementing, you have a potential race condition since they'll be doing a RMW operation that can be interrupted in the middle
2017-06-12T00:14:49 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-12T00:15:03 < zyp> (which ldrex/strex solves)
2017-06-12T00:16:21 < upgrdman> ya i was using an atomic but just realized i could probably get away without it. and look at op code tables, it looks like the atomic op codes are fast but have noteworthy latency (pooplining i guess)
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2017-06-12T00:21:32 < zyp> hmm
2017-06-12T00:21:46 < zyp> if I wanted a bunch of cheap wireless temperature sensors, what should I get?
2017-06-12T00:21:49 < zyp> emphasis on cheap
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2017-06-12T00:23:21 < upgrdman> thermistor + esp8266? or a final product?
2017-06-12T00:23:23 < zyp> rf standard doesn't really matter, but if it's not wifi or zwave, I also need a receiver
2017-06-12T00:23:50 < zyp> upgrdman, well, yeah, I'd hoped somebody already made it
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2017-06-12T00:25:59 < zyp> esp8266 is the obvious answer for cheap, idk about battery life though
2017-06-12T00:48:45 < englishman> make some children and give them thermometers
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2017-06-12T00:59:08 < englishman> zyp, pretty sure these exist for zwave or whatever hipster protocol, cheap plastic units from China, I know I have seen stuff like this.
2017-06-12T00:59:17 < englishman> Not $30 ones either but actually cheap.
2017-06-12T01:29:33 < aandrew> zyp: nrf51822 with esb would be low power
2017-06-12T01:29:40 < aandrew> they're cheapish
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2017-06-12T02:01:55 < crt> It's fucking toilet
2017-06-12T02:03:36 < crt> 'Ello, welcome!!
2017-06-12T02:04:02 < jaakkos> zyp: how often do you need to sample
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2017-06-12T02:05:15 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-06-12T02:05:28 < jaakkos> the ESP8266 takes hundred(s) of milliseconds to wake up from "deep sleep" and in fact it just really resets the MCU, no SRAM either
2017-06-12T02:06:40 < hetii> Is it hard to emulate sd-card? My idea is to gram mp3 decoder like GPD2856C and instead sd-card use spi interface to push mp3 stream?
2017-06-12T02:08:09 < crt> Hettie
2017-06-12T02:09:50 < hetii> crt: ?
2017-06-12T02:12:23 < crt> lol
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2017-06-12T02:20:54 < crt> HTML HOTDOG
2017-06-12T02:49:51 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5izBBhRw/IMG_0304.JPG
2017-06-12T02:51:30 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/8IH8aPn
2017-06-12T02:51:34 < Laurenceb__> I'm confused
2017-06-12T02:51:50 < Laurenceb__> I thought Aristocrat was Jade Fox
2017-06-12T02:52:48 < Laurenceb__> crt is not in UK anymore?
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2017-06-12T03:04:11 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/0BZ2pqi
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2017-06-12T03:38:45 < crt> Correct
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2017-06-12T04:06:31 < jadew> aren't they arguing against conventional science?
2017-06-12T04:06:46 < jadew> and instead wanting to replace it with their science (curses and shit)
2017-06-12T04:07:29 < jadew> and by they, I mean the SJWs in south africa
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2017-06-12T04:14:47 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/VHWdn5t.jpg?1
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2017-06-12T04:15:52 < crt> Does grey cat like it
2017-06-12T04:18:48 < jadew> https://i.redd.it/qyzjg6hgx13z.png
2017-06-12T04:27:29 < dongs> funny level: redd.it link
2017-06-12T04:29:16 < vonnieda> Is there any documentation on the HAL driver that is more in depth than the code comments? Like something that explains how to actually use each module?
2017-06-12T04:29:22 < dongs> no
2017-06-12T04:29:34 < dongs> HAL is a perfect example of why doxygen is garbage
2017-06-12T04:29:51 < dongs> 99% of the time, you look at a function and can tell waht it does by name. you don't need a fucking comment telling WHAT TEH FUNCTION DOES
2017-06-12T04:30:02 < dongs> what one usually needs is a bigger picture , of how to use the shit together with other shit
2017-06-12T04:30:14 < Thorn> vonnieda: there are pdf manuals
2017-06-12T04:31:21 < Thorn> for example http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/a6/79/73/ae/6e/1c/44/14/DM00122016.pdf/files/DM00122016.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00122016.pdf
2017-06-12T04:31:26 < vonnieda> dongs: Agreed. I'm working with HAL_CAN and I'd like to see something that says, like, "init it like this, receive like this, use this to transmit with interrupts, etc."
2017-06-12T04:31:57 < vonnieda> Thanks Thorn, taking a look.
2017-06-12T04:32:23 < dongs> vonnieda: generally this was in top of stm32fxxx_can.c in stdperiphlib
2017-06-12T04:32:31 < dongs> should be ~similar for hal?
2017-06-12T04:32:52 < dongs>  ===============================================================================
2017-06-12T04:32:52 < dongs>                         ##### How to use this driver #####
2017-06-12T04:32:52 < dongs>  ===============================================================================
2017-06-12T04:32:53 < dongs> etc
2017-06-12T04:33:37 < vonnieda> Thorn: Ah, yea, I've seen this. Unfortunately it's basically just a copy of the code comments in PDF form :)
2017-06-12T04:33:44 < dongs> right
2017-06-12T04:34:05 < vonnieda> dongs: Ah, right you are! I had not looked at the top of the file :)
2017-06-12T04:34:09 < vonnieda> Thanks! This is at least something to go on.
2017-06-12T04:34:57 < dongs> yeah just opened some old F4 hal i had unzipped and it has the shit in hthere
2017-06-12T04:35:03 < dongs> there's also a bunch of exmaples
2017-06-12T04:35:21 < dongs> for example in STM32Cube_FW_F4_V1.14.0\Projects\STM324x9I_EVAL\Examples\CAN\CAN_Networking
2017-06-12T04:35:24 < dongs> and
2017-06-12T04:35:31 < dongs> STM32Cube_FW_F4_V1.14.0\Projects\STM324x9I_EVAL\Examples\CAN\CAN_LoopBack\Src
2017-06-12T04:35:42 < dongs> (replace with wahtever non-ancient version you got)
2017-06-12T04:36:12 < vonnieda> Yea, I had seen the examples, but what was bothering me was how to get from nothing to what was in the example. It bothers me when I just have to take the example as it is. I wanted to see how someone would actually learn to write what is in the examples. What you pointed out in the top of the file is a really good start for that.
2017-06-12T04:36:26 < dongs> right, ok
2017-06-12T04:44:28 < englishman> vonnieda the examples and .chm helpfile should pretty much cover the hal
2017-06-12T04:44:31 < englishman> the .chm especially
2017-06-12T04:45:32 < englishman> all the functions, macros, etc in a handy expandable tree
2017-06-12T04:46:16 < vonnieda> englishman: Is the CHM any different than the code comments?
2017-06-12T04:46:25 < dongs> no they're all generated from same shit
2017-06-12T04:46:29 < dongs> doxygen
2017-06-12T04:46:33 < englishman> using HAL today spun up an spi device in about 20 minutes, and single conversion adc in another ~5
2017-06-12T04:46:50 < englishman> yes, in that they are easier to navigate
2017-06-12T04:47:08 < aandrew> yep
2017-06-12T04:47:29 < vonnieda> To be specific, here is what was bothering me: There is HAL_CAN_Receive_IT and in the examples I saw it was called immediately in main and then again inside the interrupt handler. I wanted to know why. But I can't find anywhere that says "Call this to set up the receive before each receive", which is what it does.
2017-06-12T04:47:46 < vonnieda> englishman: Yea, so far quite happy with the HAL. Makes things very easy. But the docs leave something to be desired :)
2017-06-12T04:48:05 < englishman> well receive_IT implies receive via interrupt
2017-06-12T04:48:16 < englishman> so it would set up the interrupt etc
2017-06-12T04:48:19 < englishman> same as receive_DMA
2017-06-12T04:48:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rxHGU7L.png
2017-06-12T04:48:25 < englishman> without a suffix would be blocking read
2017-06-12T04:48:26 < dongs> yep, "reference"
2017-06-12T04:48:29 < englishman> if it even exists
2017-06-12T04:48:43 < vonnieda> englishman: Right, but it wasn't clear to me why it was being called repeatedly. I figured that you would call it once and then you'd just handle the packets as they come in from the handler. What I didn't understand is that calling that also resets the interrupt so it can be fired again.
2017-06-12T04:48:49 < englishman> well the chm includes the sourcefiles
2017-06-12T04:48:54 < englishman> check out the other folders
2017-06-12T04:49:08 < vonnieda> In any case, what dongs pointed out about the start of the file containing a brief explanation is really helpful. That pretty much cleared it up for me.
2017-06-12T04:49:35 < englishman> modules->hal driver
2017-06-12T04:55:38 < englishman> dont think ive ever viewed the "file list" section
2017-06-12T04:59:37 < dongs> i dont think i've ever viewed the hal chm
2017-06-12T04:59:44 < dongs> beyond opening it, seeing it was doxygen-generated and closing it
2017-06-12T05:03:06 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/9HPXKts.jpg
2017-06-12T05:03:19 < aandrew> I generally just grep the source
2017-06-12T05:03:28 < dongs> thats cuz youre a lunix running fgt
2017-06-12T05:03:30 < jadew> I actually wrote a proper code documentation tool, but decided not to publish it in the end
2017-06-12T05:03:31 < englishman> jadew i would expect this shit of Laurenceb not you please find better things to do with your time
2017-06-12T05:03:39 < dongs> yeah really waht
2017-06-12T05:03:43 < dongs> closed that jpg in like 5 seconds
2017-06-12T05:03:44 < jadew> not because I don't want to, but because I don't have time for it
2017-06-12T05:03:57 < jadew> englishman, I should be working, but I don't feel like it
2017-06-12T05:04:04 < jadew> and it all started from a Laurenceb link
2017-06-12T05:04:06 < dongs> facebook conversations is like as low as you can go
2017-06-12T05:04:09 < jadew> it's his fault
2017-06-12T05:04:12 < aandrew> dongs: that's osx running fgt, get your facts straight
2017-06-12T05:04:24 < dongs> aandrew: not much different, are you running osx high sierra yet
2017-06-12T05:04:34 < englishman> dongs will submit order for other shit tomorrow, ran out of time friday, thanks for getting those ics
2017-06-12T05:04:34 < dongs> of course high meaning "HIGH ON WEED" amirite?
2017-06-12T05:04:38 < dongs> OK
2017-06-12T05:04:44 < aandrew> haven't updated recently but 10.12.5 is sierra
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2017-06-12T05:28:16 < dongs> hows cypress
2017-06-12T05:36:51 < dongs> whats it dedicated to @ cyperss
2017-06-12T05:36:53 < dongs> PSUCK?
2017-06-12T05:37:11 < dongs> sigh
2017-06-12T05:37:18 < dongs> so fucking sick of chrome crashing when dragging teh fucking thing across monitors
2017-06-12T05:37:58 < dongs> incorrect
2017-06-12T05:38:08 < dongs> i upgraded to QUADRO P2000
2017-06-12T05:39:46 < dongs> > 140W
2017-06-12T05:40:15 < Ultrasauce> it's just a really complicated space heater
2017-06-12T05:40:19 < dongs> I live in japan, where electricity isnt free
2017-06-12T05:42:34 < dongs> new intel X299 thing is a clusterfuck
2017-06-12T05:42:58 < dongs> they still have only single pcie 3.0 x4 link between cpu and pch
2017-06-12T05:43:04 < dongs> (aka DMI2.0 or wahtever)
2017-06-12T05:43:22 < dongs> and somehwo they alowed processors with < 40 pcie lanes into the 2011 or wahtever is new socket
2017-06-12T05:44:10 < dongs> so you can end up with a config where you got uselses wasted pcie lanes on cpu because motherboard makers didnt hook them up, and a lot of them won't hook the shit up because they target cheapfucks buying 6/12 core stuff with less lanes than 18 core
2017-06-12T05:45:12 < dongs> (and shit like 3x M.2 slots all running from PCH lanes, and if anyt of that data neesd to go to cpu, there's the 4x pcie / DMI2.0 transfer bottleneck)
2017-06-12T05:46:44 < aandrew> R2COM: yep, i7-950 here that's 6ish years old and fucking awesome still
2017-06-12T05:47:51 < aandrew> it's heavy on TDP but I've got a 4 blade x dual L5520 server in the furnace room so that's not helping the bill much
2017-06-12T05:48:12 < englishman> theres a motherboard that has a ring of lights and the more lights that light up, the more pcie lanes you have available to use
2017-06-12T05:48:20 < dongs> heh
2017-06-12T05:50:16 < englishman> japanese fashion show http://i.4cdn.org/k/1497129916095.webm
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2017-06-12T06:31:47 < upgrdman> looks like japs dont know how to hold a rifle
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2017-06-12T07:57:59 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-12T08:28:16 < rajkosto> microsoft used generic step models with "QFN25" text on them for xbox scorpio animation
2017-06-12T08:29:16 < ohsix> report to the nerd room
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2017-06-12T08:58:22 < jadew> any ideas on what's the typical dielectric thickness on .8mm 4 layer stackup?
2017-06-12T09:00:12 < jadew> 10-10-10 mil?
2017-06-12T09:00:54 < rajkosto> arent those special to order anyway ?
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2017-06-12T09:06:38 < jadew> seeed specifies the dielectric separation thickness as anything from 0.075 - 5.0, so I suppose I have to guess
2017-06-12T09:06:57 < jadew> rajkosto, seeed doesn't provide an option for that
2017-06-12T09:07:05 < jadew> so I assume typical values will be used
2017-06-12T09:07:12 < jadew> but I don't know what the typical value is
2017-06-12T09:07:12 < rajkosto> they should list their stackup then
2017-06-12T09:07:21 < rajkosto> the service i use only has 1.6 for 4layer
2017-06-12T09:07:44 < jadew> they have more
2017-06-12T09:07:50 < jadew> from 0.8 to 3
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2017-06-12T09:15:32 < zyp> englishman, all the zwave stuff I've seen is $expensive
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2017-06-12T09:26:15 < jadew> I think it could be this, but I don't see how it adds to .8mm: 1oz+2116（0.12mm）+FR4(0.4mm)+2116（0.12mm）+1oz
2017-06-12T09:28:24 < jadew> 0.4 + 0.12 * 2 + 0.035 * 2 + 0.017 * 2 = 0.4 + 0.24 + 0.07 + 0.035 = 0.64 + 0.15
2017-06-12T09:28:28 < jadew> ok, it adds up
2017-06-12T09:47:18 < ohsix> zyp: me2, how did zwave come up again
2017-06-12T09:47:38 < ohsix> a guy i know working in town here is doing something with it for a thing i'm not going to mention cuz you'd know who he is heh
2017-06-12T09:48:40 < ohsix> he didn't tell me their costs but he did say that zwave was going to be factored out if possible in next revs, and some open source projects that serve to document it
2017-06-12T09:49:29 < ohsix> hey https://github.com/alambrec/RF24Wave
2017-06-12T09:49:38 < zyp> ohsix, I'm running zwave at home for the light switches and stuff, it works nicely
2017-06-12T09:50:15 < ohsix> oh eh, did you mean actual things with zwave in them, or the chipsets/sw/licensing?
2017-06-12T09:51:35 < ohsix> i just want one of the shits to win so the costs go down
2017-06-12T09:51:55 < ohsix> no reason why everything you do tha tis interesting has to have wifi instead or some custom radio shit
2017-06-12T09:52:00 < zyp> also, that rf24wave thing looks useless, considering zwave isn't 2.4GHz
2017-06-12T09:52:52 < ohsix> wtf is it then
2017-06-12T09:53:12 < zyp> depends on the area, europe is 868
2017-06-12T09:53:46 < ohsix> considering ESL on the thing, i suppose it could just be a workalike with an nrf24
2017-06-12T09:54:34 < zyp> sure, I just don't see the point of mimicing zwave on shit that can't talk to real zwave
2017-06-12T09:55:32 < zyp> unless you want to make use of all the high level stuff with profiles and shit
2017-06-12T09:56:59 < ohsix> dunno
2017-06-12T09:57:05 < ohsix> maybe it has some stuff that is worth imitating
2017-06-12T09:58:48 < zyp> the profile stuff is kinda neat
2017-06-12T09:59:15 < ohsix> TBH i want to talk about it to learn more but all i really know is that it is expensive
2017-06-12T09:59:44 < ohsix> is the profile stuff comparable to btle roles?
2017-06-12T09:59:47 < zyp> there's predefined classes for a lot of shit, and devices have descriptors saying which they support
2017-06-12T09:59:58 < zyp> I'm not familiar with btle roles
2017-06-12T10:00:08 < ohsix> k
2017-06-12T10:00:20 < ohsix> me neither hehe
2017-06-12T10:00:53 < ohsix> there's a registry that someone controls, and there's some stuff defined for some types of metabolic sensors/profiles and some other types under the same umbrella
2017-06-12T10:02:24 < zyp> I have a bunch of 230V relays that identifies as a SWITCH_BINARY
2017-06-12T10:02:59 < zyp> the SWITCH_BINARY class has three commands; SET, GET and REPORT
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2017-06-12T10:03:42 < zyp> there's also a SWITCH_MULTILEVEL class for dimmer devices, which is identical apart from allowed range of values
2017-06-12T10:05:00 < zyp> one of the relay modules I've got also supports the METER class, using that to report power draw and energy consumption
2017-06-12T10:07:51 < ohsix> ReadError: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgrB5P-rDLw
2017-06-12T10:08:19 < ohsix> zyp: you have a radio/bridge/thing to enumerate devices / features and mess with them?
2017-06-12T10:08:37 < ohsix> how does zwave do security
2017-06-12T10:08:59 < zyp> yes, I bought a zstick
2017-06-12T10:09:54 < ohsix> i'm bound to get tied up in some iot thing soon, been thinking of how to do it, everything sucks
2017-06-12T10:10:41 < ohsix> wifi is cheap but initial setup sucks balls
2017-06-12T10:13:17 < zyp> yeah, zwave got initial setup right
2017-06-12T10:13:41 < zyp> there's a bunch of logic in the zstick itself, so it handles network inclusion
2017-06-12T10:14:17 < zyp> there's even a battery in the thing and a button, so you can unplug it and carry it around, then press the button to include a device while standing next to it
2017-06-12T10:14:28 < ohsix> best thing i've thought up so far is that i use the peer to peer shit to pass around credentials that you can get by setting up any of them (as an ap), and when the devices can reach the internet there's a web thing that can group them from the same origin and ask you to bind them with a per-device identifier
2017-06-12T10:14:41 < ohsix> nice
2017-06-12T10:14:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.redd.it/dpz4tpntt13z.jpg
2017-06-12T10:14:52 < ohsix> at any expense, having that done is probably worth it
2017-06-12T10:15:25 < zyp> it's sort of similar to bluetooth in that you set one thing to announcing mode and the other one to search for something to connect
2017-06-12T10:15:32 < ohsix> ad hoc is bound to be bad, even when it is a good effort, it'll be different for different devices and the user experience most familiar is press-to-connect
2017-06-12T10:16:00 < zyp> and to be honest, I haven't messed around with zwave's secure mode yet
2017-06-12T10:16:03 < ohsix> can't press to connect to wifi :<
2017-06-12T10:16:53 < zyp> there's insecure mode and secure mode, I think the latter adds an AES layer
2017-06-12T10:19:42 < zyp> I'm not too worried about anybody taking control of my lights
2017-06-12T10:19:53 < ohsix> heheh
2017-06-12T10:20:14 < ohsix> you won't hear about fun times with that until lots of people have their lights turned off as part of something that catches hold in the media
2017-06-12T10:20:30 < ohsix> does zwave include stuff for environmental control? humidifiers and ac and stuff
2017-06-12T10:20:39 < zyp> yes
2017-06-12T10:20:46 < zyp> but I don't have any of that yet
2017-06-12T10:21:06 < zyp> there's also door locks and shit, I think they mandate secure mode
2017-06-12T10:21:26 < ohsix> kind of nice it's optional, at least along that dimension
2017-06-12T10:21:56 < ohsix> are all nodes full featured? like will a random lamp support secure mode or is there a chance it won't
2017-06-12T10:22:02 < zyp> yeah, the argument against secure mode is that it decreases reliability
2017-06-12T10:22:41 < zyp> hmm, I think it's optional, but I also think most/all devices support it
2017-06-12T10:23:43 < zyp> I have the impression that everything is built on the same series of chips anyway, and when the hardware and SDK supports it, it doesn't make sense to leave out
2017-06-12T10:24:18 < ohsix> yea that's part of the cost issue
2017-06-12T10:24:59 < ohsix> can zwave be carried over homepna style AC modems?
2017-06-12T10:25:22 < ohsix> or i guess, x10 fits that too
2017-06-12T10:26:28 < ohsix> pal was too busy to field alot of these questions hehe
2017-06-12T10:26:34 < zyp> I'm tempted to get an 868 radio and have a go at a device stack
2017-06-12T10:27:06 < zyp> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/b-l475e-iot01a.html <- this thing might work for prototyping
2017-06-12T10:27:09 < ohsix> oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit nautilus just crashed, for the first time on the school laptop / gnome 3, some of those old bugs are still in there
2017-06-12T10:27:45 < ohsix> zyp: neat
2017-06-12T10:27:51 < ohsix> probably for lots of different things
2017-06-12T10:28:14 < zyp> yeah, it kinda does every rf
2017-06-12T10:28:17 < ohsix> i was looking for a radio that covered frs (151mhz and some others) and found a sub ghz one that could tune from like 30mhz to 900 something
2017-06-12T10:28:26 < ohsix> it was available on the ebayz too
2017-06-12T10:28:39 < ohsix> but, it is forever lost to my browser session
2017-06-12T10:29:39 < ohsix> nice, i kept the datasheet, S i 4 4 6 4
2017-06-12T10:30:14 < ohsix> 119-1050, 802.15.4g compatible
2017-06-12T10:31:05 < ohsix> dunno wat modulations zwave needs but that thing supports a few
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2017-06-12T10:32:04 < zyp> not sure either, haven't looked at the rf layer yet
2017-06-12T10:33:23 < ohsix> well shit, shows how much i've looked into this, itu g.9959 exists and is freely available
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2017-06-12T10:34:13 < ohsix> i was under the impression that the ip was all locked up and you'd not hear about it from anyone without an nda
2017-06-12T10:34:18 < zyp> what's that?
2017-06-12T10:35:25 < ohsix> The PHY shall employ frequency shift keying (FSK) for RF modulation of R1 and R2. The PHY
2017-06-12T10:35:26 < ohsix> shall employ Gaussian frequency shift keying (GFSK) for R3.
2017-06-12T10:35:34 < ohsix> the mac/phy bits of zwave
2017-06-12T10:35:58 < dongs> Discovery kit for IoT node allows users to develop applications with direct connection to cloud servers.
2017-06-12T10:36:01 < dongs> is what
2017-06-12T10:36:03 < dongs> aids
2017-06-12T10:36:28 < dongs> zyp should know better htan taking advice from google!six
2017-06-12T10:36:42 < zyp> dongs, board is mostly interesting because it has a ton of various radios on it
2017-06-12T10:37:01 < zyp> ohsix, ah, zwave is g.9959?
2017-06-12T10:37:18 < dongs> uno v3 and pmod, hah
2017-06-12T10:37:22 < ohsix> 9959 is zwave, looks like itu standardized something after
2017-06-12T10:37:30 < zyp> cool
2017-06-12T10:37:52 < zyp> I have the impression that the on air frames aren't too different from the serial frames I've been working with either
2017-06-12T10:38:06 < zyp> so making a compatible implementation shouldn't be too hard
2017-06-12T10:38:09 < ohsix> ya low bandwidth stuff is p. simple
2017-06-12T10:38:11 < dongs> englishman: High-performance 3-axis magnetometer (LIS3MDL) t his is wehre all your LIS3MDL stock went to
2017-06-12T10:38:14 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/f0/6d/14/bf/7c/d8/49/91/DM00133214.pdf/files/DM00133214.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00133214.pdf
2017-06-12T10:38:15 < dongs> free =discovery boards
2017-06-12T10:38:19 < zyp> this shit also looks kinda neat
2017-06-12T10:38:33 < zyp> module with L1 and 868 radio
2017-06-12T10:38:36 < ohsix> if it were in ism with 2.4ghz or whatever they'd need more complex encodings and probably time/slot spread spectrum / radio scheduling
2017-06-12T10:39:21 < ohsix> there's something nearby at 868 but i don't remember what it is hehe
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2017-06-12T10:42:53 < Steffanx> Doesnt Laurenceb hate that module zyp ?
2017-06-12T10:43:07 < zyp> idk, haven't been paying attention
2017-06-12T10:43:35 < Steffanx> I believe thats what he used for horse telemetry and he loved it(not)
2017-06-12T10:43:37 < ohsix> i gotta get my ham license, people are telling me all the time that it is easy and i should
2017-06-12T10:44:23 < zyp> ohsix, same
2017-06-12T10:44:41 < ohsix> biggest motivation right now is actually custom auto plates :p
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2017-06-12T10:45:54 < ohsix> car breaking down really threw me off the rails
2017-06-12T10:46:01 < zyp> I bought a textbook and skimmed through it last year, shit you have to know seemed to be just basic impedance math and some legal considerations
2017-06-12T10:46:34 < zyp> tried emailing a guy to schedule a test, but he never replied and then I moved
2017-06-12T10:46:41 < ohsix> i think there's a license you can get withotu even doing that
2017-06-12T10:46:44 < ohsix> or at least get an id
2017-06-12T10:46:44 < zyp> haven't yet figured out who to email where I live now
2017-06-12T10:46:54 < zyp> no, norway only got one license class
2017-06-12T10:46:58 < ohsix> ah
2017-06-12T10:47:09 < dongs> non-stop autism
2017-06-12T10:47:31 < ohsix> i have a fcc general radiotelephone operators license exam book from like the 90s
2017-06-12T10:47:46 < ohsix> it's a good book, covers tons of stuff; a bit like the operations research books
2017-06-12T10:49:42 < dongs> so i tried to plug in WD faggotpassport into tv
2017-06-12T10:49:50 < dongs> and apparently its "USB3" ports cannot power both hdds
2017-06-12T10:49:53 < dongs> one starts clicking
2017-06-12T10:50:05 < dongs> what the fuck do I get that can just power a port is there such shit
2017-06-12T10:50:18 < dongs> like 5V injector into USB-A
2017-06-12T10:51:10 < dongs> http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/611-power-injector-for-usb-30/
2017-06-12T10:51:11 < dongs> lol
2017-06-12T10:51:59 < zyp> if your tv supports hubs, you could get a powered usb3 hub
2017-06-12T10:53:00 < ohsix> i have to post something to instructables this week to help a friend out
2017-06-12T10:53:07 < ohsix> they're doing some maker space contest thing
2017-06-12T10:53:48 < ohsix> i didn't document any of the interesting things i've done recently hehehe
2017-06-12T10:54:06 < ohsix> and now the one i'd probably put up there in the end, would be: "read this datasheet, done"
2017-06-12T10:54:43 < ohsix> better get rolling if i want to watch twin peaks tonight ;]
2017-06-12T10:54:46 < ohsix> adios
2017-06-12T10:54:50 < upgrdman> lol  https://imgur.com/RvWc0lH
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2017-06-12T11:19:29 < Cerpin> Right, so... I'm trying to get a test program going on an STM32F4, and the startup code seems to put the MSP at the beginning of the interrupt vector table instead of the end of RAM
2017-06-12T11:20:16 < Cerpin> The first thing I have in the vector table is .word _estack, and I've checked that _estack is actually 0x20020000
2017-06-12T11:20:23 < Cerpin> (with readelf)
2017-06-12T11:20:49 < Cerpin> Why is the MSP not being set to 0x20020000 on startup?
2017-06-12T11:39:07 < zyp> how does your startup code look?
2017-06-12T11:40:03 < zyp> Cerpin, also, how are you diagnosing this?
2017-06-12T11:40:48 < Cerpin> openocd
2017-06-12T11:41:33 < zyp> so, startup code, how does it look?
2017-06-12T11:41:54 < Cerpin> http://sprunge.us/FKaT
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2017-06-12T11:44:23 < zyp> Cerpin, and what makes you think it's not being set right?
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2017-06-12T11:44:33 < Cerpin> "reg msp"
2017-06-12T11:45:03 < Cerpin> Plus the fact that, at least until that extern, hardfaulted when I continued in gdb
2017-06-12T11:46:14 < zyp> are you doing a proper reset after flashing?
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2017-06-12T11:48:22 < Cerpin> The sequence of inputs I'm using is "reset halt" "flash write_image erase test_prog.bin 0x08000000" "reset", then I attempt to connect with gdb
2017-06-12T11:48:32 < Cerpin> Before it'd hang when I continued, then hardfault on ctrl c
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2017-06-12T11:48:59 < Cerpin> Now since adding that extern: "architecture rejected target-supplied description"
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2017-06-12T11:49:11 < Rajko> whats the cheapest most power efficient stm32
2017-06-12T11:49:18 < Rajko> that has usb
2017-06-12T11:49:27 < Cerpin> MSP initializes to 0x080003a0 for some reason, even without the ability to connect via gdb
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2017-06-12T11:49:43 < Cerpin> (PC goes to the start of SRAM)
2017-06-12T11:50:01 < zyp> Rajko, cheapest and most power efficient are two different goals, which is more important?
2017-06-12T11:50:10 < Cerpin> I can sprunge the readelf -s too if you'd like that
2017-06-12T11:50:23 < Rajko> also needs 18 ADC channels
2017-06-12T11:50:55 < zyp> Cerpin, sure
2017-06-12T11:52:13 < Cerpin> http://sprunge.us/VQaA
2017-06-12T11:52:34 < Cerpin> I should probably clean up the linker script a bit, but again I don't see anything out and out wrong in that
2017-06-12T11:52:37 < Cerpin> :\
2017-06-12T11:53:34 < zyp> oh, yeah, this is a linker script error
2017-06-12T11:54:26 < Cerpin> Oh?
2017-06-12T11:54:43 < zyp> can I see it?
2017-06-12T11:54:50 < Cerpin> Uh, sure
2017-06-12T11:57:36 < Cerpin> After I figure out what's wrong, I'll just tear it up and write my own rather than adapting from charles korn -- I shouldn't have tried to get away with something that wasn't quite appropriate for how I had things set up: http://sprunge.us/PVEJ
2017-06-12T11:58:10 < zyp> bingo, your linker script doesn't match your startup code
2017-06-12T11:58:52 < zyp> linker script names a .startup section, startup code puts the vectors in the .isr_vector section
2017-06-12T11:59:07 < zyp> so the vectors doesn't get located at the start of flash like they are supposed to
2017-06-12T11:59:44 < Cerpin> Yeah, I'll redo one from scratch I guess
2017-06-12T12:00:22 < Cerpin> Thanks
2017-06-12T12:00:47 < zyp> just remember that linker script and startup code goes together
2017-06-12T12:01:49 < zyp> both that section and the symbols used for locating .data and .bss
2017-06-12T12:02:43 < Cerpin> Yeah
2017-06-12T12:02:53 < zyp> also, there's not really any need to do startup code in assembly
2017-06-12T12:03:08 < zyp> since hardware handles initializing the stack, you can reset right into a C function
2017-06-12T12:03:15 < Cerpin> I was wondering about that, since other vendors didn't seem to
2017-06-12T12:04:56 < Cerpin> Another little question if you don't mind: I noticed when I was setting up some other bits of this, there were two core_cm4.h files provided in stdperiphlib, one with __STATIC_INLINE defined and the other without
2017-06-12T12:05:34 < zyp> that's not a question, that's a statement :)
2017-06-12T12:05:41 < Cerpin> Well, why is it that way?
2017-06-12T12:06:05 < Cerpin> I ended up just using the standard cmsis one because my program depended on other cmsis files and not having __STATIC_INLINE obviously broke things
2017-06-12T12:06:05 < zyp> unsure, I don't use stdperiphlib
2017-06-12T12:06:28 < zyp> what does even __STATIC_INLINE do?
2017-06-12T12:08:40 < Cerpin> Compiler dependent macro that explands to "static inline" or "static __inline" depending. It's used in defining stuff in core_cmFunc.h
2017-06-12T12:09:42 < Cerpin> Like __WFI() for example
2017-06-12T12:10:10 < zyp> seems useless
2017-06-12T12:10:50 < Cerpin> I mean I'd rather not be editing bits of CMSIS code too
2017-06-12T12:11:08 < zyp> then the obvious answer is using the one that works :)
2017-06-12T12:12:45 < Cerpin> Yeah, was more just curious why the nonworking one was there. No big deal, sorry
2017-06-12T12:22:13 < invzim> anyone used https://www.utsource.net for sourcing parts?
2017-06-12T12:22:45 < invzim> altera pricing via normal channels is no bueno
2017-06-12T12:26:09 < ohsix> h3h
2017-06-12T12:26:18 < ohsix> THE DIARY PAGES BOB STOLE
2017-06-12T12:26:32 < ohsix> how did people not figure this shit out in the 90s
2017-06-12T12:27:42 < ohsix> i dig how they treat fire walk with me with respect
2017-06-12T12:27:47 < ohsix> it was awesome but people hated it
2017-06-12T12:28:32 < ohsix> they throw so many story lines out, such that when they pick one up again it's like 'ohhh yeaaaaa'
2017-06-12T12:28:47 < invzim> I take it a new episode is out
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2017-06-12T12:29:34 < invzim> synology nas & chrome download station plug-in just makes it so easy :)
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2017-06-12T12:32:39 < Cerpin> Alright cool, MSP is now sitting comfortably in SRAM
2017-06-12T12:32:47 < Cerpin> I don't want to nickflash you, but thanks again for all your help
2017-06-12T12:33:33 < zyp> no problem
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2017-06-12T14:34:16 < dev_> Hi :)
2017-06-12T14:35:09 < dev_> Is it possible to use alternative uart pin for bootloader in stm32f030f4p6 ?
2017-06-12T14:37:33 < zyp> AN2606 should know
2017-06-12T14:49:50 < Thorn> why is everybody using the bootloader
2017-06-12T14:50:26 < Thorn> I've never had to use it (except with LPC which wasn't supported by black magic probe which was my main debugger at that time)
2017-06-12T14:52:14 < karlp> some people using it as a co/sub processor unit like being able to load new code via the "same" interface they're using to talk to the device with, and not having to write their own bootloader?
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2017-06-12T14:55:33 < dev_> Thorn, in my case I have connected stm32 to esp8266 and want to flash it over wifi.
2017-06-12T14:58:08 < dev_> and this works fine when use hardware serial in esp but in my particular case hardware uart in esp is connected to some other mcu so need to figure out how to flash stm by software uart(but this is some other topic)
2017-06-12T14:58:34 < dev_> btw if someone need stm32fash that is capable to talk to esp-link here I wrote it: https://bitbucket.org/hetii/stm32flash
2017-06-12T15:02:22 < zyp> I'd probably just roll a custom bootloader for that
2017-06-12T15:02:31 < zyp> although, that's not going to work well on F0
2017-06-12T15:02:39 < zyp> I wouldn't use F0 either :)
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2017-06-12T15:03:14 < fest> Thorn: are you using a custom bootloader for updating firmware in field?
2017-06-12T15:03:32 < fest> and don't understand why do people use system bootloader?
2017-06-12T15:03:58 < zyp> fest, I am
2017-06-12T15:04:19 < fest> zyp: when I need secure or very fast update, I am too
2017-06-12T15:04:50 < fest> but for regular stuff, system bootloader via DFU works ok, imo
2017-06-12T15:04:53 < zyp> IMO the ROM bootloader falls behind two chairs
2017-06-12T15:05:18 < zyp> it's not very friendly to end users, and it's not very friendly to developers either
2017-06-12T15:05:59 < fest> I've been lucky to be in control of both sides of update process, and dfu-util has been available on the host
2017-06-12T15:06:54 < Thorn> dfu assumes your device has usb
2017-06-12T15:07:14 < zyp> the boot0 way of trigging the rom bootloader isn't always very convenient either
2017-06-12T15:07:37 < fest> I've heard it's not that good when you need windows support
2017-06-12T15:07:51 < zyp> that too
2017-06-12T15:08:00 < zyp> windows support is the reason I went with a HID bootloader
2017-06-12T15:08:06 < Thorn> in my case they do not and users don't care about updating anyway, and if there is an emergency swd is broken out
2017-06-12T15:08:20 < zyp> well, that and the fact that the device in question is a HID device normally too
2017-06-12T15:09:00 < fest> isn't HID very slow?
2017-06-12T15:09:37 < karlp> what would be "slow" about it?
2017-06-12T15:10:07 < zyp> I haven't really benchmarked it, it completes in less than a second anyway
2017-06-12T15:11:10 < fest> I recall that the number of bytes which could be sent in a single USB request being small for HID devices and the number of requests per second being relatively small too
2017-06-12T15:11:28 < fest> but it seems that it's not quite true
2017-06-12T15:11:32 < zyp> karlp, well, if you have a dedicated report out endpoint, you're limited to 64kB/s since it's interrupt and thus limited to one packet per frame
2017-06-12T15:12:00 < karlp> yes, but slow compared to flash speed?
2017-06-12T15:12:11 < karlp> slow compared to a usb3 harddrive, sure.
2017-06-12T15:12:14 < zyp> but I'm using the hid report write control request, which I don't believe have that restriction
2017-06-12T15:12:58 < zyp> haven't measured how fast it goes, but a typical firmware is like 10k
2017-06-12T15:13:21 < fest> karlp: slow compared to USB2 bulk transfers
2017-06-12T15:13:47 < karlp> fest: yes, but you're talking about bootloaders, so as along as it's faster than flash write speed, it's irrelevant :)
2017-06-12T15:13:59 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-12T15:14:22 < zyp> on L0 it takes a couple of seconds to flash
2017-06-12T15:14:37 < zyp> because I'm using the word write shit rather than page write
2017-06-12T15:15:03 < fest> karlp: sure, I'm not advotating that people shouldn't use HID- I was just curious, if what I had heard is true :)
2017-06-12T15:15:06 < zyp> because page write can't be used while executing from flash, and I were too lazy to add execute from ram to the bootloader
2017-06-12T15:15:28 < zyp> fest, doubt it
2017-06-12T15:15:55 < zyp> DFU isn't bulk either
2017-06-12T15:15:57 < karlp> heh, my bootloader does word writes too, and doesn't even reply to the modbus request until it's all finished :)
2017-06-12T15:16:02 < zyp> so the difference isn't all that big
2017-06-12T15:16:35 < fest> btw, what is typical flash write speed for internal flash? I have a note that SPI flash memory had a write speed of 350KiB/s (assuming already erased flash)
2017-06-12T15:17:24 < zyp> I think typical numbers are on the order of 50kB/s, plus/minus
2017-06-12T15:17:41 < zyp> including erase
2017-06-12T15:18:49 < zyp> I erase each sector just before writing to it, and you can't write without erasing, so it doesn't really make sense to me to measure them separately :)
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2017-06-12T15:22:07 < fest> hmm, I just timed system bootloader dfu firmware update (erase, transfer, program) on F7: ~260KiB in 10.5 seconds, ~25KiB/s
2017-06-12T15:24:25 < zyp> that sounds slow
2017-06-12T15:25:11 < zyp> I wouldn't expect F7 to be slower than F4, and the F4 flash could certanly handle more
2017-06-12T15:25:22 < zyp> what do you get over swd?
2017-06-12T15:28:29 < fest> openocd, st-link v2: Transfer rate: 34 KB/sec, 9529 bytes/write
2017-06-12T15:29:11 < karlp> Wrote 22580 bytes in 49.2 secs (458.6 B/sec)! <<<< my shitty modbus bootloader :)=
2017-06-12T15:30:40 < zyp> karlp, sounds like what I'm seeing on L0 too :)
2017-06-12T15:31:17 < karlp> still, way better than replugging cables for multipel devices on the rs485 line.
2017-06-12T15:31:42 < karlp> maybe will get around to decoupling the modbus writes witht he flashing, make it use a proper ring buffer.
2017-06-12T15:32:28 < zyp> I don't think you can get it much faster without doing some execute from ram magic so you can do page writes
2017-06-12T15:33:01 < karlp> oh, it should easily double if I think.
2017-06-12T15:33:14 < karlp> I mean, just turning the baudrate up form 19200 to 115200 improves it to ...
2017-06-12T15:33:36 < zyp> sure, but that's not where the big bottleneck is
2017-06-12T15:34:03 < zyp> doing page write should improve the speed by an order of magnitude or two
2017-06-12T15:34:12 < zyp> judging by how fast the l0 flashes over swd
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2017-06-12T15:37:17 < karlp> Wrote 22580 bytes in 31.7 secs (711.4 B/sec)! for 115200.
2017-06-12T15:37:33 < karlp> yah, might need the sram loader to make it much faster.
2017-06-12T15:37:36  * karlp shrugs.
2017-06-12T15:37:51 < karlp> that's still doign a _lot_ of waiting around doing nothing.
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2017-06-12T15:45:24 < phr3ak> Hi, do you know a tool that collect/report the status of the mcu? for example list of enabled interrupts and so on
2017-06-12T15:46:58 < zyp> so a debugger?
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2017-06-12T15:51:17 < invzim> balls
2017-06-12T15:51:32 < invzim> Last time I'm not putting a net name on EVERY DAMN net
2017-06-12T15:52:16 < englishman> damn right
2017-06-12T15:52:57 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwKFpyG8xGa3dDJzSEVNblA2LUE
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2017-06-12T16:07:34 < phryk> I'm looking for the right way to communicate between a bunch of stm32s. I need to get up to 1.8 Mbit/s of payload from a central stm32 to up to 128 smaller stm32 (14.4kbit/s per node)
2017-06-12T16:08:22 < vonnieda> Is it broadcast, or does each node need it's own data?
2017-06-12T16:08:43 < phryk> Each node only needs it's own data (up to 14.4kbit/s)
2017-06-12T16:08:56 < aandrew> wow
2017-06-12T16:09:04 < phryk> But this is pretty long distance. I want at least 5m to be possible, 15m would be nice.
2017-06-12T16:09:13 < aandrew> 128 nodes?
2017-06-12T16:09:27 < phryk> aandrew: I'm just calculating the biggest case. Prototype will have 8 or 12.
2017-06-12T16:09:38 < aandrew> you won't get away with nrf24l01 type stuff without some kind of meshing layer
2017-06-12T16:10:02 < phryk> I don't want wireless. I want wires. :P
2017-06-12T16:10:09 < vonnieda> If you need to sustain that much throughput you are probably looking at Ethernet
2017-06-12T16:10:11 < aandrew> if you don't want to screw around with designing a wireless protocol that can scale to that many nodes and that kind of bandwidth, you might just be better off using esp8266 type shit
2017-06-12T16:10:15 < aandrew> oh
2017-06-12T16:10:19 < aandrew> well that's nothing then
2017-06-12T16:10:24 < aandrew> rs485 or CAN
2017-06-12T16:10:27 < phryk> vonnieda: even for 14.4kbit/s? o_O
2017-06-12T16:10:45 < vonnieda> phryk: Well, if I am understanding you right you have 1.8Mbit/s on the network, not 14.4
2017-06-12T16:10:46 < aandrew> break it up into as many segments as you have physical hardware (UART or CAN controllers) for
2017-06-12T16:10:51 < phryk> aandrew: I need to write a lot of software before using 128 nodes makes real sense.
2017-06-12T16:10:57 < vonnieda> But yea, if you can break it up a bit, CAN would be great.
2017-06-12T16:11:20 < phryk> vonnieda: yeah 1.8Mbit all for all nodes combined, but it does have to come out of the master at that speed.
2017-06-12T16:11:45 < vonnieda> Oh, okay, I misunderstood. Well yea, what aandrew said :)
2017-06-12T16:11:53 < vonnieda> RS-485 if you don't need multi-master, CAN if you do
2017-06-12T16:12:30 < phryk> multi-master would be needed for example if I want to provide a failover?
2017-06-12T16:12:54 < vonnieda> That, but more if you want the slave nodes to be able to initiate comms
2017-06-12T16:14:20 < aandrew> nah failover doesn't really need multi-master
2017-06-12T16:14:37 < aandrew> multimaster is more for hte case where you ahve more than one node actively initiating conversations
2017-06-12T16:14:57 < phryk> But the nodes still can reply to a message they got without multi-master?
2017-06-12T16:15:42 < aandrew> correct
2017-06-12T16:15:59 < aandrew> it's up to you to define the protocol to handle that in rs485 type networks
2017-06-12T16:16:06 < aandrew> in CAN, it's "backward"
2017-06-12T16:16:26 < aandrew> CAN is more of a data-centric system
2017-06-12T16:16:37 < aandrew> rather than a node-centric system
2017-06-12T16:16:46 < aandrew> but people bastardize that to force node-centric messaging on it all the time
2017-06-12T16:16:52 < phryk> Then I don't see why I would need multi-master. I just want to send an rgb value to every node. But very often :P
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2017-06-12T16:32:59 < dongs> phryk: use CAN, should be neough bits for your rgb shit
2017-06-12T16:33:01 < dongs> eveyone listens
2017-06-12T16:33:04 < dongs> nobody replies
2017-06-12T16:33:05 < dongs> done
2017-06-12T16:33:08 < dongs> or RS485 or anything really
2017-06-12T16:33:13 < dongs> shit, even multidrop uart would probly work
2017-06-12T16:33:18 < dongs> rx -> everyone's tx
2017-06-12T16:33:32 < dongs> err, the otehr way around
2017-06-12T16:33:34 < dongs> tx->everyones rx
2017-06-12T16:34:20 < phryk> do the stm32s have dedicated hardware for those protocols or are they just implemented in the firmware?
2017-06-12T16:34:30 < dongs> what "protocols"
2017-06-12T16:34:37 < phryk> CAN, RS-485
2017-06-12T16:34:38 < dongs> for CAN, you have a fixed protocol w/headers etc
2017-06-12T16:34:50 < dongs> your rgb shit would have an ID or something and data fitting into the 'packet' bytes
2017-06-12T16:34:53 < dongs> for RS485 it could be wahtever
2017-06-12T16:34:58 < dongs> jsut make up your own header + data
2017-06-12T16:35:10 < dongs> hosts listen for header, start receiving data
2017-06-12T16:35:14 < dongs> you can add some CRC or someshit if you care
2017-06-12T16:37:01 < phryk> yeah, but is there some dedicated hardware or do i just connect a bunch of GPIOs and use som CAN library in my firmware?
2017-06-12T16:37:13 < phryk> I mean dedicated hardware *within* the stm32
2017-06-12T16:37:27 < phryk> like some of the stm32s have an internal MAC for ethernet
2017-06-12T16:37:39 < englishman> yes many stm32 have CAN peripheral requiring minimum external components
2017-06-12T16:37:49 < karlp> many stm32s have uart peripherals too
2017-06-12T16:37:53 < englishman> typically just add phy
2017-06-12T16:38:10 < c10ud^> sounds like a lot of work for changing colors at 100hz
2017-06-12T16:38:55 < phryk> It's more like the first iteration for a bigger project, that I want to become more diverse in the future.
2017-06-12T16:39:13 < c10ud^> I'd just lower the update freq., go for lower color depth and make a simple rs485 line
2017-06-12T16:39:14 < phryk> This is supposed to be the groundwork for future stuff that is even more interesting :P
2017-06-12T16:39:22 < dongs> phryk: dedicated hardware
2017-06-12T16:39:35 < dongs> for CAN
2017-06-12T16:39:39 < phryk> thanks
2017-06-12T16:39:44 < dongs> its usually on USB pins
2017-06-12T16:39:54 < dongs> so some stms you can do either USB or CAN
2017-06-12T16:39:54 < karlp> if you look at rs485, you'll need 0.25  unit  load transceivers for 128 nodes though
2017-06-12T16:39:57 < dongs> and the memory is shared
2017-06-12T16:40:05 < dongs> but I think on F4 its less of a problem (have several usb cores)
2017-06-12T16:40:56 < phryk> karlp: I don't know what a unit load transceiver is. I'm guessing it's a little piece of hardware needed if I want to speak RS-485?
2017-06-12T16:41:21 < dongs> you'll need one on stm32 and on each node.
2017-06-12T16:41:30 < dongs> to convert logic levels/signals.
2017-06-12T16:41:35 < karlp> for both can and rs485 you have onboard peripheral support and an external transceiver
2017-06-12T16:41:36 < dongs> between ttl and rs485 levels.
2017-06-12T16:41:58 < phryk> c10ud^: update frequence could be lowered, but i don't want to go lower than 100fps, and for other devices in the future that might be too slow. color depth i definitely don't want to cut, if anything, I'd extend it to have smoother color fades.
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2017-06-12T16:42:28 < karlp> "traditional" rs485 drivers are specced to drive 32 "unit loads"
2017-06-12T16:42:39 < karlp> but you can get transceivers now that are 1/4 load.
2017-06-12T16:43:14 < Thorn> <karlp>	many stm32s have uart peripherals too
2017-06-12T16:43:26 < Thorn> are thre any stm32s without uarts?
2017-06-12T16:43:27 < dongs> lol
2017-06-12T16:43:29 < dongs> name one that doesnt
2017-06-12T16:43:42 < karlp> I was playing with the request for "onboard peripherals"
2017-06-12T16:43:49 < Thorn> the smallest of them (030f) has 1 uart
2017-06-12T16:44:14 < phryk> transceivers are to these protocols what the MAC is to ethernet (terminology might be very wrong, but I hope you get the idea^^)
2017-06-12T16:44:46 < karlp> no, the phy.
2017-06-12T16:44:54 < Thorn> for ethernet, you need mac and phy
2017-06-12T16:45:02 < phryk> oh right, i still mix those two up a lot ^^;
2017-06-12T16:45:05 < Thorn> mac is buit into the stm32, phy is external
2017-06-12T16:45:57 < phryk> i would say "the thing the cable goes in", but that's not technically what I mean. rather the electronics connected directly to that jack…
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2017-06-12T16:46:05 < Thorn> for rs-485, the uart is the mac, max[3]485/adm]3]485 etc. is the phy
2017-06-12T16:46:23 < Thorn> the thing the cable goes into is called connector
2017-06-12T16:46:41 < Thorn> you need that too
2017-06-12T16:46:44 < phryk> Are CAN and RS-485 similar in terms of complexity?
2017-06-12T16:47:10 < karlp> rs485 is just a wiring and levels, there's no definiton of what bits mean.
2017-06-12T16:47:19 < karlp> can is higher level.
2017-06-12T16:47:27 < karlp> well, includes higher levels
2017-06-12T16:47:31 < emeryth> phryk: CAN has framing, "addressing" and collision/error detection implemented in hardware
2017-06-12T16:47:34 < Thorn> the can peripheral is more complex to use but you need less efort to implement a protocol on top of it
2017-06-12T16:47:49 < karlp> you've got to pick or implement a protocol on top of rs485 to use it.
2017-06-12T16:48:06 < karlp> it's just "serial that goes fast and further and allows multipoint"
2017-06-12T16:48:35 < Thorn> and is half duplex
2017-06-12T16:48:37 < phryk> karlp: node-id+rgbpayload+crc, fixed length, done?^^
2017-06-12T16:49:03 < karlp> phryk: I can't comment on your protocol inventions.
2017-06-12T16:49:18 < karlp> Thorn: doesn't have to be.
2017-06-12T16:49:38 < karlp> just needs more more wires and an extra transceiver
2017-06-12T16:50:59 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c638727/v638727520/4771e/lkLXvsOZnxM.jpg
2017-06-12T16:51:15 < zyp> for simple stuff I'd say CAN is easier than RS485 since you get a hardware framing layer
2017-06-12T16:51:35 < zyp> less software complexity, and the hardware is already there
2017-06-12T16:51:46 < karlp> as long as your payloads are small enough
2017-06-12T16:51:59 < zyp> read "simple stuff"
2017-06-12T16:52:16 < zyp> my biggest annoyance with CAN is that the payload is max 8 bytes
2017-06-12T16:52:40 < crt> CANT bust
2017-06-12T16:52:41 < phryk> My previous non-distributed prototype had a very simple serial protocol. worked pretty much perfectly… I think this was RS-232 tho
2017-06-12T16:52:42 < crt> *bus
2017-06-12T16:52:57 < zyp> that's easily too small, and then you need another framing/fragmentation layer on top of that
2017-06-12T16:53:00 < phryk> and just a big computer talking over usb to some atmega chip
2017-06-12T16:53:11 < c10ud^> phryk, you can use a micro with multiple uarts and make sub-rs485 networks, but that breaks your requirement of another cpu taking over in case of failures I guess
2017-06-12T16:53:46 < phryk> c10ud^: it's not a requirement, just pondered it.
2017-06-12T16:54:32 < phryk> If it can be easily adjusted for failover then that's nice.
2017-06-12T16:55:28 < zyp> phryk, have you considered USB?
2017-06-12T16:56:01 < phryk> zyp: No. Can an stm32 actually talk to 128 different usb devices?^^
2017-06-12T16:56:17 < zyp> does the master have to be a stm32?
2017-06-12T16:56:22 < phryk> yes
2017-06-12T16:56:59 < phryk> it's supposed to be a small-ish device that takes artnet via wired ethernet
2017-06-12T16:57:47 < phryk> I think I'm leaning toward RS-485.
2017-06-12T16:58:38 < zyp> orange pi zero is $10 and does ethernet and has multiple usb host ports, kinda hard to beat
2017-06-12T16:58:43 < c10ud^> isolated rs485, i'd suggest
2017-06-12T16:59:12 < phryk> c10ud^: isolated as in no shared medium?
2017-06-12T16:59:22 < zyp> galvanically isolated
2017-06-12T16:59:35 < c10ud^> isolated as in one device breaks, network (hopefully) still stands
2017-06-12T16:59:39 < zyp> so you don't need to have 128 devices with a common ground
2017-06-12T17:00:04 < c10ud^> opposed to one device dying making the whole thing fail
2017-06-12T17:00:12 < c10ud^> it will be $$$
2017-06-12T17:01:33 < phryk> Is this like what can happen with I²C when one device hangs and blocks the whole bus?
2017-06-12T17:01:50 < c10ud^> look up for ADM2687 & friends, I don't know about ST though
2017-06-12T17:03:38 < zyp> hmm
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2017-06-12T17:05:04 < zyp> usb has a limit of 127 devices per bus (including hubs), highend stm32s have two controllers, so in theory it should work fine with a stm32 as a master too
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2017-06-12T17:05:30 < phryk> thanks a whole bunch for the help thus far. You people are massively more helpful the the rest of the internet.
2017-06-12T17:06:14 < zyp> you can't have pending transfers to all of them at the same time, so latency is probably going to be a big factor for the throughput bottleneck
2017-06-12T17:08:00 < c10ud^> zyp, can't you just issue a big-ass packet and let devices handle it off themselves even over USB? warning: never did lowlevel usb programming
2017-06-12T17:08:09 < zyp> 14.4kbit/s is like 2kB/s, that's a 64B packet every 32th frame
2017-06-12T17:08:53 < zyp> with 64 active devices per bus, that's around two packets per frame, seems pretty doable
2017-06-12T17:08:54 < phryk> That would make things much more complicated and add a bunch of latency
2017-06-12T17:09:24 < zyp> what latency?
2017-06-12T17:09:53 < zyp> usb latency is probably going to be less than the on-wire time of the slower protocols you are considering
2017-06-12T17:09:55 < phryk> Well, you'd be packing a lot of rgb values to be shown consecutively into one single packet
2017-06-12T17:10:18 < phryk> So the node would have to cache the contents, play them in exactly the timeframe until the next big packet comes…
2017-06-12T17:10:39 < phryk> I think that's just asking for weird flicker artifacts
2017-06-12T17:11:09 < zyp> phryk, how many pixels does each of your devices handle?
2017-06-12T17:11:16 < phryk> one :P
2017-06-12T17:11:29 < zyp> at like 1000fps?
2017-06-12T17:11:50 < phryk> 600fps is the target, 100 I consider to be the minimum.
2017-06-12T17:12:44 < phr3ak> how could I check which IRQs are enabled?
2017-06-12T17:12:47 < zyp> why so fast?
2017-06-12T17:13:05 < zyp> phr3ak, use the debugger to read out the NVIC registers
2017-06-12T17:13:24 < phryk> zyp: a) someone with a LOT of knowledge about lighting told me so, but i forgot the exact reason b) if a) turns out false I still have room to add more color depth
2017-06-12T17:13:37 < zyp> phr3ak, the NVIC_ISER* registers is a bitmap of enabled interrupts
2017-06-12T17:14:02 < Thorn> https://developer.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-m/cortex-m3/docs/100165_0201/latest/nested-vectored-interrupt-controller/nvic-programmers-model/table-of-nvic-registers
2017-06-12T17:16:51 < phr3ak> so every IRQs going through the nvic?
2017-06-12T17:17:12 < zyp> every IRQ, yes
2017-06-12T17:17:25 < phr3ak> thanks
2017-06-12T17:17:26 < zyp> there's also the exception vectors, which are their own thing, always enabled
2017-06-12T17:17:37 < zyp> i.e. the first 16 vectors
2017-06-12T17:18:47 < zyp> some of them have their own enable bits, e.g. the configurable fault handlers, they are enabled somewhere in SCB
2017-06-12T17:18:56 < zyp> and systick handler is enabled in the systick block
2017-06-12T17:19:44 < zyp> hmm
2017-06-12T17:19:54 < Thorn> phryk: are you making a PoV display?
2017-06-12T17:20:12 < zyp> now I'm curious how many usb devices are practical to run on a bus and at what datarates
2017-06-12T17:20:41 < zyp> I should get a bunch of hubs and devices some time and try
2017-06-12T17:21:13 < phryk> Thorn: What is a PoV display?^^
2017-06-12T17:21:23 < zyp> persistence of vision
2017-06-12T17:21:44 < phryk> If I knew what that was maybe, I could answer the question, lemme try and look it up :P
2017-06-12T17:21:48 < englishman> man LoRA is great
2017-06-12T17:21:57 < englishman> i had **no idea** that wireless could be so easy
2017-06-12T17:22:55 < phryk> Mhh, looked it up and I don't think so. :P
2017-06-12T17:23:02 < Thorn> IIRC ws2812b PWMs @ 400Hz
2017-06-12T17:23:24 < Thorn> so feeding it data at 600Hz would be pointless
2017-06-12T17:23:28 < Thorn> for example
2017-06-12T17:23:59 < crt> englishcats
2017-06-12T17:25:40 < c10ud^> phryk, how about bluetooth low energy
2017-06-12T17:25:49 < fest> englishman: what radios do you use for it?
2017-06-12T17:25:59 < englishman> just using rfm98 to prototype
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2017-06-12T17:26:11 < phryk> Thorn: So with 600fps I could do that PoV "tracer"-effect?^^
2017-06-12T17:26:16 < englishman> from digikey
2017-06-12T17:26:16 < c10ud^> you make a device with >100 characteristics and each node subscribes to it, this way you can also hopefully sync people's smartphones
2017-06-12T17:26:28 < phryk> c10ud^: i want it to be wired.
2017-06-12T17:26:39 < c10ud^> even if I'm not sure on how much devices you can stuff in a small space..
2017-06-12T17:26:59 < phr3ak> is there any benefit of jtag against swd if I would like to debug a firmware without source code?
2017-06-12T17:27:10 < Thorn> phryk: I read that ws2812b is not good for PoV effects so evidently you need > 400Hz
2017-06-12T17:27:37 < zyp> phr3ak, no, they're functionally the same, just different transport wrappers
2017-06-12T17:28:26 < phr3ak> I know only one thing the boundary scan but that is useless in this case
2017-06-12T17:28:26 < zyp> Thorn, I don't think phryk does ws2812b
2017-06-12T17:28:42 < zyp> who would do ws2812b with one led per chain anyway?
2017-06-12T17:30:27 < phryk> isn't the point of ws281x to have built-in drivers? I want my own custom drivers, so I can use same/similar hardware for 10W as well as 100W leds
2017-06-12T17:31:51 < zyp> yep
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2017-06-12T17:32:43 < phryk> also pov effects might be the explanation of why the lighting guy i talked to insisted on 600fps
2017-06-12T17:34:07 < crt> poverty
2017-06-12T17:34:29 < phryk> crt: r u high? D:
2017-06-12T17:34:43 < crt> i've had 3 stroopwafels in the last 25 minutes
2017-06-12T17:34:49 < crt> i am fucking loaded.
2017-06-12T17:35:23 < phryk> it's funny because stroopwafels are dutch and now i can't tell whether you had space-stroopwafels :F
2017-06-12T17:42:42 < englishman> damn, having problems again where chip hangs somewhere, but not when debugger is attached
2017-06-12T17:44:03 < crt> hence debugger
2017-06-12T17:44:04 < crt> am i rite
2017-06-12T17:44:59 < englishman> nicely done
2017-06-12T17:45:30 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/RFzXljz.jpg
2017-06-12T17:45:44 < crt> ^_^
2017-06-12T17:45:46 < crt> best dong
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2017-06-12T17:46:43 < Steffanx> Such gook
2017-06-12T17:49:08 < crt> :3
2017-06-12T17:50:24 < Rob235> two gy-91 marked as shipped
2017-06-12T17:50:45 < Rob235> mpu9250+bmp280
2017-06-12T17:51:37 < Rob235> so how does redundancy work? average if difference is close, otherwise take the value of the one closest to the previous value?
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2017-06-12T18:03:50 < karlp> c10ud^: what failure modes are you envisaging that an isolated rs485 transceiver is helping you protect against?
2017-06-12T18:06:26 < c10ud^> karlp, node dies, does not shortcut the whole bus
2017-06-12T18:06:27 < karlp> c10ud^: also, what's your experience with lots of nodes on BTLE? I spoke to an FAE about it recently, asking for ~30odd nodes, and it was, "hrm,, suck it and see" and "wait for bt5"
2017-06-12T18:07:05 < zyp> with broadcast it shouldn't be too bad?
2017-06-12T18:07:13 < c10ud^> karlp, no experience with lots of nodes, just throwing an idea since he mentioned it was a future-proof project
2017-06-12T18:07:32 < karlp> how does a node die and shortcut the bus?
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2017-06-12T18:07:59 < karlp> you're hoping for a node to die in a way that it remains powered and driving the line?
2017-06-12T18:08:01 < c10ud^> I was thinking of exposing multiple characteristics with multiple rgb values to which nodes could subscribe to
2017-06-12T18:08:08 < karlp> isolated transceivers won't hlep with that.
2017-06-12T18:09:23 < c10ud^> karlp, if my node breaks and transceiver is isolated i wont shortcut the bus (hopefully, could still happen)
2017-06-12T18:09:40 < c10ud^> with break I mean some sort of short
2017-06-12T18:10:36 < karlp> right, and what failure mode of what is that?
2017-06-12T18:11:38 < karlp> isolated transceivers are for isolation, not for "magically make things not break"
2017-06-12T18:13:06 < c10ud^> I don't think I mentioned magic anywhere, but could help from a subset unwanted side effects of big and diversified networks
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2017-06-12T18:13:28 < karlp> I think you're making shit up :)
2017-06-12T18:14:04 < c10ud^> but, with magic (?)
2017-06-12T18:15:57 < BrainDamage> isolated transceivers protect the hardware _not facing the bus_ the line drivers are still 100% vulnerable
2017-06-12T18:19:30 < c10ud^> l8r
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2017-06-12T18:36:52 < phryk> BrainDamage: Yes, but if something majorly wrong like some idiot connects the data line to 230V, only the transceiver will die, right?
2017-06-12T18:52:35 < aandrew> phryk: correct
2017-06-12T18:59:30 < karlp> it would in all liklihood have only been the transceiver dieing with a non isolated trasnceiver too.
2017-06-12T18:59:51 < karlp> and in neither of those cases does the bus stop working for other nodes.
2017-06-12T19:00:40 < phryk> okay, then I'll build the next prototype without galvanic isolation and will add it if the need arises
2017-06-12T19:04:46 < karlp> I wasns't saying, "don't use isolated transceivers"
2017-06-12T19:05:04 < karlp> I was saying, "isolated transceivers don't magically make the bus indestructable"
2017-06-12T19:07:54 < phryk> yeah, but as described, it doesn't seem worth any effort/cost right now
2017-06-12T19:19:26 < phryk> The i/o part on the stm32 side for RS-485 were the U[S]ARTs, right?
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2017-06-12T19:27:35 < karlp> yes.
2017-06-12T19:27:53 < phryk> Mhh, what factors determine what baud rates I can actually use? I imagine cable length to be one of them…
2017-06-12T19:28:46 < phryk> or does RS-485 work so well that 2Mbit/s over 15m just isn't anything to worry about?
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2017-06-12T21:15:31 < Thorn> what does a spectrum of a 8kHz sine wave PWMd @ 48kHz look like? does it have peaks at 8kHz?
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2017-06-12T21:21:45 < BrainDamage> it will have a peak at 8, and then peaks at 48 and all successive harmonics, it will also have a peak at 0 unless it's a square wave that's symmetrical around 0
2017-06-12T21:23:09 < BrainDamage> filtering heavily around 15-20kHz will make the sine pretty much clean
2017-06-12T21:24:35 < Thorn> on my crappy fft I can see a peak at 48 kHz and odd harmonics (~48kHz*3, *5  etc.) when the PWM is unmodulated, but when the sine wave is being output there are also peaks at 96kHz and so on (even harmonics)
2017-06-12T21:25:23 < BrainDamage> yup
2017-06-12T21:25:39 < BrainDamage> odd harmonics is the standard square wave fourier transform
2017-06-12T21:27:19 < Thorn> and there appears to be a peak at 8kHz but the finest resolution I can get is 50kHz/div so it's all rather approximate lol
2017-06-12T21:29:33 < BrainDamage> you need a fft with builtin downconversion
2017-06-12T21:29:43 < BrainDamage> then you can zoom on portion of spectrum
2017-06-12T21:31:37 < englishman> id certainly hope you see some 8kHz peak
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2017-06-12T21:37:49 < Rob235> anyone know how to use spi for the mpu9250? to write you send the register, wait for rxne, send data[0], wait for rxne, send data[1], wait, etc.
2017-06-12T21:38:29 < Rob235> to read you send the register or'd with 0x80
2017-06-12T21:38:36 < Rob235> what about read length?
2017-06-12T21:42:35 < Thorn> the datasheet should detail the protocol
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2017-06-12T22:04:59 < Rob235> otay
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2017-06-12T22:23:53 < Thorn> noise floor is -20dB, throwing scope out of the window
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2017-06-12T23:18:22 < jpa-> RX packets:1 errors:3101189     i guess i can call this progress
2017-06-12T23:19:14 < Thorn> sounds like what happens when someone gets pregnant
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2017-06-12T23:24:11 < englishman> sounds like jpa- is using AXSEM
2017-06-12T23:24:41 < englishman> which is also closely related to getting pregnant in that it's an abortion
2017-06-12T23:29:43 < qyx> karlp: mhm, thanks
2017-06-12T23:29:44 < qyx> englishman: nice
2017-06-12T23:30:14 < englishman> did you get the link? it's up now
2017-06-12T23:30:16 < englishman> just watered it
2017-06-12T23:30:30 < englishman> math must be wrong on the light meter, lights are completely off
2017-06-12T23:30:34 < englishman> and 400klux is impossible
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2017-06-12T23:31:07 < englishman> i like how battery voltage is actually going up, too
2017-06-12T23:31:35 < qyx> what are those steps in the soil humidity graph?
2017-06-12T23:32:17 < englishman> probably holding it in my hands
2017-06-12T23:32:36 < Thorn> wtf https://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Projects-Next-Dimension-Investigator/dp/0750673052/
2017-06-12T23:32:45 < englishman> i planted it in dry soil @2:40 and watered the plant at 3:20
2017-06-12T23:33:11 < englishman> so at 2:40 you can see the difference between "lying on my desk" and "really dry soil"
2017-06-12T23:33:18 < qyx> so the raw value is actually lower when the plant is watered?
2017-06-12T23:33:21 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-12T23:33:29 < englishman> which is expected
2017-06-12T23:33:30 < qyx> ah, now it makes sense
2017-06-12T23:33:33 < englishman> capacitance drops
2017-06-12T23:33:40 < qyx> now not
2017-06-12T23:33:42 < qyx> why?
2017-06-12T23:33:52 < qyx> capacitance should be increased wen the soild is wet
2017-06-12T23:33:54 < qyx> -d
2017-06-12T23:34:01 < englishman> hmm
2017-06-12T23:34:02 < englishman> lemme think
2017-06-12T23:34:22 < qyx> are you counting timer ticks until the pin toggles?
2017-06-12T23:34:42 < qyx> I don't know how exactly tsc works
2017-06-12T23:35:04 < englishman> yes
2017-06-12T23:35:11 < qyx> but previously there was some AN which did it using analog routing interface and a timer
2017-06-12T23:35:22 < englishman> isnt it based on permittivity properties and not dielectric properties
2017-06-12T23:35:55 < englishman> hm
2017-06-12T23:36:00 < englishman> i'm backwards somewhere
2017-06-12T23:36:13 < englishman> oh
2017-06-12T23:36:17 < englishman> i kjnow
2017-06-12T23:36:20 < englishman> it's to DIScharge a cap
2017-06-12T23:36:36 < qyx> it sould be the same
2017-06-12T23:36:55 < qyx> for a given capacitance the time it takes to charge and discharge should be the same
2017-06-12T23:37:21 < qyx> I mean in this case
2017-06-12T23:37:45 < englishman> yes
2017-06-12T23:38:13 < englishman> but if it's counting ticks to DIScharge, then higher capacitance will result in lower count
2017-06-12T23:38:21 < qyx> but when the probe has bigger capacitance, it takes less discharge cycles to discharge a constant capacitance
2017-06-12T23:38:28 < qyx> yes
2017-06-12T23:38:47 < qyx> but the same apply when cunting ticks to charge
2017-06-12T23:38:50 < qyx> *counting
2017-06-12T23:41:09 < englishman> hmm
2017-06-12T23:41:20 < englishman> that's right
2017-06-12T23:41:20 < englishman> well
2017-06-12T23:41:54 < englishman> capacitance is dropping
2017-06-12T23:42:02 < englishman> when the plates are surrounded by water
2017-06-12T23:42:35 < qyx> I observed the exact opposite
2017-06-12T23:42:49 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-12T23:42:53 < englishman> and i would expect that
2017-06-12T23:42:55 < englishman> wonder what's up
2017-06-12T23:43:04 < qyx> electrode in air shows about lets say 150
2017-06-12T23:43:04 < englishman> oh
2017-06-12T23:43:05 < englishman> right
2017-06-12T23:43:07 < englishman> i'm dumb
2017-06-12T23:43:09 < englishman> it's correcct
2017-06-12T23:43:14 < englishman> capacitance is increasing
2017-06-12T23:43:14 < qyx> when I submerge it into water, it's like ~600
2017-06-12T23:43:22 < englishman> so LESS charge transfers are need to fill the sampling cap
2017-06-12T23:43:29 < englishman> everything is as expected
2017-06-12T23:43:37 < englishman> no longer backwards
2017-06-12T23:44:13 < qyx> \o/
2017-06-12T23:44:14 < englishman> how the STM32 one works, is it fills the test cap (my probe) then empties it into a larger sampling cap (in my case .47u or something)
2017-06-12T23:44:29 < englishman> and counts how many transfers to trip
2017-06-12T23:44:40 < englishman> so yes
2017-06-12T23:46:18 < englishman> on the importance of writing stuff down so you don't have to figure it out over and over again
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2017-06-13T00:18:55 < kakimir> Laurenceb: post hot uk chicks
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2017-06-13T00:40:23 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/doctoranalog/status/874257704944009216
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2017-06-13T02:24:49 < kakimir> hello straya
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2017-06-13T03:09:06 < upgrdman> damn i troll myself so good sometimes. writing some verilog, checking a flag. the flag only stays high for one clock cycle, but i mistakenly check the flag in some code that is running at a prescaled clock rate (1/4 fpga clock) and was wondering why it was missing many of the flags :/
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2017-06-13T03:38:17 < Laurenceb__> https://i.redd.it/fsxqula94grx.jpg
2017-06-13T03:40:33 < bitrot> upgrdman, this isnt ##fpga
2017-06-13T03:40:39 < kakimir> true
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2017-06-13T03:41:24 < kakimir> where are my uk girls Laurenceb?
2017-06-13T03:41:32 < bitrot> they ate eachother
2017-06-13T03:41:39 < upgrdman> bitrot, who the fuck cares :)
2017-06-13T03:41:53 < upgrdman> im not the only fucker in here that writes HDL
2017-06-13T03:42:01 < bitrot> i know the channels are similar except this one is way more racist
2017-06-13T03:43:04 < kakimir> welcome
2017-06-13T03:43:04 < upgrdman> and way more active
2017-06-13T03:43:25 < upgrdman> most of the time i ask something in ##fpga and it's dead as shit in there
2017-06-13T03:43:41 < upgrdman> i've had days where the log just had joins/parts for >8hrs
2017-06-13T03:45:18 < Laurenceb__> isis statement: "we going to kill all infidels or die trying"
2017-06-13T03:45:21 < Laurenceb__> lul these guys
2017-06-13T03:48:44 < kakimir> with suicide bombin the kill ratio wont be enought
2017-06-13T03:48:58 < kakimir> Laurenceb: uk girls
2017-06-13T03:52:28 < Laurenceb__> HYPERSONIC SPACE AIRSHIP
2017-06-13T03:52:41 < Laurenceb__> EMDRIVE POWWWERRRR
2017-06-13T03:52:53 < kakimir> do not distract me
2017-06-13T03:53:13 < Laurenceb__> hypersonic airship transport
2017-06-13T03:55:03 < Laurenceb__> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs/highaltitude.log.20120214
2017-06-13T03:55:14 < kakimir> trap girl internet megatroll
2017-06-13T03:55:14 < Laurenceb__> [00:23] <Lunar_Lander> I want to have a woman
2017-06-13T03:55:40 < Laurenceb__> he died a bit after that :(
2017-06-13T03:55:58 < Laurenceb__> was still connected to irc for 2 months whilst ppl tried to find him
2017-06-13T03:56:16 < Laurenceb__> skeleton on keyboard
2017-06-13T03:56:26 < crt> Sup dr.b
2017-06-13T03:56:31 < kakimir> he seriously died?
2017-06-13T03:56:44 < Laurenceb__> yes
2017-06-13T03:56:59 < kakimir> did the secret society of space virgins murder him?
2017-06-13T03:56:59 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/g/1497269806099.gif Laurenceb__-quality link
2017-06-13T03:57:21 < Laurenceb__> nice
2017-06-13T03:57:53 < Laurenceb__> [00:23] <Lunar_Lander> I want to have a woman
2017-06-13T03:57:53 < Laurenceb__> [00:23] <Lunar_Lander> like a wife or so you know
2017-06-13T03:57:53 < Laurenceb__> [00:24] <jakr> i just did the calculation
2017-06-13T03:58:01 < Laurenceb__> irl lulling
2017-06-13T03:58:06 < kakimir> dongs: you are wrong
2017-06-13T03:58:21 < Laurenceb__> probability of getting a wife
2017-06-13T03:58:42 < kakimir> there is no overlapping to laurence quality links
2017-06-13T03:58:49 < Laurenceb__> we now know it was zero
2017-06-13T03:58:50 < bitrot> you dont need a wife thats just a formality
2017-06-13T03:59:20 < Laurenceb__> probability of ending up as a skeleton facedown on irc connected keyboard =1
2017-06-13T04:00:01 < Laurenceb__> wew 00:30
2017-06-13T04:00:01 < crt> Nice
2017-06-13T04:00:04 < Laurenceb__> my sides
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2017-06-13T04:00:18 < crt> That's like.... cool
2017-06-13T04:00:19 < dongs> you made upgrdman ragequit
2017-06-13T04:00:32 < dongs> with your retarded chats
2017-06-13T04:00:59 < crt> Nice 4ch post there
2017-06-13T04:02:33 < englishman> for the better anyway, it's his reddit time and he'd just  be reposting shit for the next few hours
2017-06-13T04:02:56 < dongs> englishman: speaking of reposting shit, tiem to get that order submitted
2017-06-13T04:03:02 < englishman> yes
2017-06-13T04:03:07 < crt> Morning englishman
2017-06-13T04:03:12 < englishman> I kno '-(
2017-06-13T04:03:21 < englishman> will have to do it tomorrow
2017-06-13T04:03:25 < dongs> again!?
2017-06-13T04:03:29 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-13T04:03:32 < englishman> Paid taxes today
2017-06-13T04:03:40 < dongs> well, youre lucky, china is like demolished by typhoon
2017-06-13T04:03:42 < dongs> so nobody's working
2017-06-13T04:03:47 < englishman> cool
2017-06-13T04:04:17 < englishman> but definitely tomorrow, I'm out of stock for these boards I sold
2017-06-13T04:04:22 < englishman> :-)
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2017-06-13T04:07:19 < crt> Is 8ch packeting blaxter again?
2017-06-13T04:07:31 < dongs> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1497299275/fpzjtfi7iue1gvnpvhvz.jpg https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1497299289/nmmkedhppxxnri923p3e.jpg https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1497299309/zoigk3lbx3y2ymdfv88u.jpg
2017-06-13T04:07:36 < dongs> indiegogo office looks pretty good
2017-06-13T04:07:41 < dongs> all that money from scams
2017-06-13T04:07:50 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO4x9wh1-o
2017-06-13T04:08:08 < dongs> wat the shit, are you brreeding chickens now?
2017-06-13T04:08:22 < englishman> not breeding just growing
2017-06-13T04:08:56 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEaKtezfFVI i like that "fucking" or something at the end
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2017-06-13T04:14:51 < aandrew> I am disappoint, son
2017-06-13T04:14:55 < aandrew> not a single stm32 in that vid
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2017-06-13T04:33:21 < dongs> aandrew: i wonder what a STM32 would do if you soldered it across 2 pads so that all left side pins are together , all right side pins are together, and then applied 120VAC between those pads
2017-06-13T04:47:44 < aandrew> It'd let out the magic smoke of course
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2017-06-13T05:27:35 < upgrdman> nice park http://i.imgur.com/XFOroZs.png
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2017-06-13T06:21:30 < englishman> dongs: which stm32 specifically, will try
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2017-06-13T06:23:28 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/vcSYG57.jpg
2017-06-13T06:23:43 < englishman> bitrot: bullshit this is the least racist channel on freenode
2017-06-13T06:34:59 < dongs> englishman: the more pins the better i guess
2017-06-13T06:35:03 < dongs> LQFP64 or 120
2017-06-13T06:35:05 < dongs> er 100
2017-06-13T06:35:39 < englishman> ok i have a 100 i can pull
2017-06-13T06:36:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/f8sWdhE.png
2017-06-13T06:36:07 < dongs> like this
2017-06-13T06:36:13 < dongs> gotta have more than 4mm between AC shits
2017-06-13T06:36:16 < dongs> or else you';lll fail CE
2017-06-13T06:37:15 < englishman> ok i will submit this to 120VAC CE testing
2017-06-13T06:37:47 < englishman> CE being Canadian "Engineer"
2017-06-13T06:38:35 < dongs> make sure to record in 240fps on your new ifaggot 8+ and upload as chipburn
2017-06-13T06:38:49 < englishman> sorry i only have a 4k slr
2017-06-13T06:38:52 < dongs> if the FUCKING 1000FPS nigger would actually send me the shit
2017-06-13T06:39:01 < dongs> my pal dropped like 3.5k on that nigger
2017-06-13T06:39:03 < dongs> still nothing delivered
2017-06-13T06:39:08 < dongs> camera was supposed to be mine ~years ago
2017-06-13T06:39:19 < dongs> er, fps1000
2017-06-13T06:39:20 < englishman> hm i remember that
2017-06-13T06:39:24 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000-the-low-cost-high-frame-rate-camera
2017-06-13T06:39:31 < dongs> i'm in for the platinum or something trhing
2017-06-13T06:39:33 < englishman> a dickstarter failed to deliver? wow
2017-06-13T06:39:34 < dongs> which he STILL hasn't delivered
2017-06-13T06:39:36 < dongs> haha
2017-06-13T06:39:38 < dongs> ikr?
2017-06-13T06:40:23 < dongs> whats funnier is he setup a NEW one
2017-06-13T06:40:27 < dongs> for update to that camera
2017-06-13T06:40:31 < dongs> and also succeeded funding it
2017-06-13T06:40:46 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000hd?ref=profile_created
2017-06-13T06:40:54 < englishman> well yeah
2017-06-13T06:41:01 < englishman> wouldn't you?
2017-06-13T06:41:17 < englishman> a whole second round of free money
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2017-06-13T09:25:59 < upgrdman> any stm32's powerful enough to do gigabit ethernet?
2017-06-13T09:26:09 < upgrdman> theres no cortex-a from stm?
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2017-06-13T09:35:22 < zyp> in practice, probably not
2017-06-13T09:36:00 < zyp> but I believe ST got the cortex-a IP from STE when STE broke up
2017-06-13T09:36:16 < zyp> i.e. the stuff used on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_(single-board_computer)
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2017-06-13T09:41:40 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-13T09:47:34 < upgrdman> f051?
2017-06-13T09:47:42 < upgrdman> err not sure about low power tho. maybe L0
2017-06-13T10:00:55 < jadew> what's a good CAD program these days? I want to make a 3d thing
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2017-06-13T10:08:25 < Steffanx> SolidWorks
2017-06-13T10:08:40 < Steffanx> $$$
2017-06-13T10:10:18 < jadew> I'm hoping for something free
2017-06-13T10:10:46 < jadew> and if possible, something that has a command line
2017-06-13T10:11:22 < jadew> designing objects seems more natural when done parametrically than by mouse
2017-06-13T10:13:06 < jadew> that's the one thing I liked about the technical design class, we designed parts by entering parameters
2017-06-13T10:15:16 < upgrdman> definitely not CAD, but more artistic: blender. you cna use python to script the fuck out of it. it's free and oss.
2017-06-13T10:15:28 < upgrdman> but again, not really CAD.
2017-06-13T10:16:07 < upgrdman> but if you want to programmatically draw shapes and export DXFs or whatever, it'll probably be more than powrefull enough
2017-06-13T10:16:17 < jadew> I think I used it to edit a video once
2017-06-13T10:16:41 < fest> I hear good things about solvespace, but haven't tried it yet
2017-06-13T10:16:43 < upgrdman> dat blender learning curve :)
2017-06-13T10:17:08 < fest> I use onshape when I need some one-off part
2017-06-13T10:18:17 < jadew> upgrdman, I don't remember much, it might come back to me if I start using it again
2017-06-13T10:18:27 < jadew> fest, solvespace looks nice
2017-06-13T10:18:48 < jadew> how's freeCAD? why did nobody mention it?
2017-06-13T10:19:30 < fest> I have a bit of solidworks mindset and I just was not able to use it last when I tried
2017-06-13T10:19:58 < fest> it didn't have multi-part assemblies with constraints (not sure if solvespace has)
2017-06-13T10:20:44 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVqa9csViXA it seems pretty smart
2017-06-13T10:21:03 < fest> of course, I would first think that I'm just dumb- but I have designed non-trivial assemblies in openscad and I found it relatively pleasant
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2017-06-13T10:22:53 < jadew> fest, I've tried FreeCAD in the past and I felt dumb too
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2017-06-13T10:35:22 < Steffanx> You can makr SW look dumb to when you do dumb things
2017-06-13T10:35:28 < Steffanx> Make*
2017-06-13T10:39:08 < jadew> I already got solvespace, this thing is awesome
2017-06-13T10:39:13 < jadew> I'm half done with my thing
2017-06-13T10:39:19 < jadew> kidding
2017-06-13T10:39:22 < jadew> watching tutorial 0
2017-06-13T10:44:41 < jadew> ok, solvespace really does look nice
2017-06-13T10:44:54 < jadew> it's sort of like the kicad of 3D
2017-06-13T10:45:03 < jadew> at least at the first sight
2017-06-13T10:45:22 < jadew> seems to be very shortcut intensive, which is good
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2017-06-13T10:49:52 < jadew> oh man...
2017-06-13T10:49:58 < jadew> it really is great
2017-06-13T10:50:21 < Steffanx> Lol :D
2017-06-13T10:53:52 < Cerpin> Might be worth asking here too: can anyone point me toward something that lets me use stm chips' svd files to read peripheral register contents e.g. from a debugger? All I've found is an eclipse plugin and some wacky python thing
2017-06-13T10:54:46 < Cerpin> Basically like what you can do in openocd for core registers
2017-06-13T10:56:36 < jadew> like this? https://visualgdb.com/features/v2/embedded/hwreg.png
2017-06-13T10:57:03 < Cerpin> Basically
2017-06-13T10:57:21 < jadew> then visualgdb?
2017-06-13T10:57:58 < Cerpin> "visual studio extension"
2017-06-13T10:58:18 < Cerpin> Rather not use an IDE at all, and VS is definitely not viable here :D
2017-06-13T10:58:22 < Cerpin> Sorry
2017-06-13T10:58:47 < Cerpin> Really what I want is more like when you type e.g. "reg msp" in the telnet connection to openocd and it spits out the contents
2017-06-13T10:59:27 < Cerpin> I just want to be able to do, like, "reg RCC_AHB1LPENR" and get the contents of that too
2017-06-13T10:59:39 < Cerpin> But OpenOCD doesn't seem to support that, so
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2017-06-13T11:25:58 < jpa-> Cerpin: if you have stm32fxxx.h in scope, you can just do    "print RCC->AHB1LPENR"  in gdb
2017-06-13T11:26:39 < jpa-> (and even   "print *RCC" to see them all at once)
2017-06-13T11:26:52 < woxulv> Cerpin: if you can intercept somehow the data that is sent to STMStudio then you could get the data you are looking for..
2017-06-13T11:26:57 < Cerpin> Didn't seem to, but I really should have it in scope...
2017-06-13T11:27:14 < Cerpin> Worrying that I don't actually, I'll try and fix that!
2017-06-13T11:27:20 < woxulv> STMStudio visualizes the RAM contents of select RAM space as far as I know..
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2017-06-13T11:29:00 < jpa-> Cerpin: you may need switches like   -g -ggdb -g3 -gdwarf2    on gcc command line, both at compile and link step
2017-06-13T11:29:15 < jpa-> because the register definitions are macros, the normal -g will not include them
2017-06-13T11:29:25 < Cerpin> Oh, yeah that makes more sense
2017-06-13T11:29:26 < jpa-> you probably don't need all of those but i'm not sure which ones you need :P
2017-06-13T11:29:34 < Cerpin> I'll figure out, thank you
2017-06-13T11:30:18 < jpa-> all good debugging sessions should have atleast 2 dwarfs and 1 gdb present
2017-06-13T11:31:02 < zyp> I think -ggdb3 is the appropriate one
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2017-06-13T11:50:30 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-13T11:50:33 < ohsix> busy is good
2017-06-13T11:51:05 < ohsix> ReadError: had an idea for tab troubles, open in new tab opens _in a new window_ if you go over a certain configurable number, like 10
2017-06-13T11:51:38 < ohsix> so instead i have a proliferation of windows with few tabs, making the problem more obvious, and also making it a surmountable thing to clean up after
2017-06-13T11:55:08 < ohsix> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-limiter-with-queue/kaamkonbephafcojgajnbgbdgbgbboap hm this is cute tho
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2017-06-13T12:35:31 < dongs> BREAKING: Gunman opens fire at a Metro station in Munich, Germany; at least one policeman shot and wounded
2017-06-13T12:36:19 < Steffanx> Yikes
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2017-06-13T12:38:55 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=126_1497315955  there's also this guy
2017-06-13T12:38:58 < dongs> but a bit less breaking
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2017-06-13T12:41:53 < jadew> that's a good anecdote for why you should be nice to people
2017-06-13T12:42:04 < jadew> (that one chick that got away)
2017-06-13T12:45:14 < jadew> that guy reminds me of a collegue I had in highschool
2017-06-13T12:45:38 < jadew> he used to work and KFC and was spitting in people's food
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2017-06-13T13:20:20 < Steffanx> jadew ... -_-
2017-06-13T13:34:25 < jadew> hi LeelooMinai
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2017-06-13T14:32:43 < karlp> jpa-: dwarf2 is wayyy obsolete, don't add that :)
2017-06-13T14:33:16 < jpa-> i've learned this stuff once in 2010 and i'm sure not going to learn anything new!
2017-06-13T14:56:29 < Laurenceb__> https://i2.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/image-WD1.png
2017-06-13T14:59:27 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/falzMlQ.gif
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2017-06-13T15:06:43 < dongs> zyp:
2017-06-13T15:07:45 < dongs> rx-current: 551.8Mbps
2017-06-13T15:12:47 < zyp> actual throughput? that's impressive
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2017-06-13T15:34:13 < Laurenceb__> what the fuck
2017-06-13T15:34:39 < Laurenceb__> I just got spammed by Milo Yiannopolous
2017-06-13T15:35:02 < Laurenceb__> how in the hell
2017-06-13T15:38:38 < Laurenceb__> flagged as important, subject "DANGEROUS"
2017-06-13T15:39:28 < Laurenceb__> contents "buy my book goy"
2017-06-13T15:40:10 < englishman> that's pretty unexpectedly fast
2017-06-13T15:40:30 < englishman> which model?
2017-06-13T15:40:40 < englishman> wow they are cheap too
2017-06-13T15:41:09 < karlp> what are you talking about?
2017-06-13T15:41:26 < englishman> mikrotik backhaul wifi nodes
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2017-06-13T15:49:10 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/4viMr2x.jpg
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2017-06-13T15:49:30 < karlp> he's a kid, what else is he going to be with
2017-06-13T15:52:37 < englishman> sega game gear?
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2017-06-13T16:07:27 < Steffanx> Millenials...
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2017-06-13T16:13:22 < crt> Fuckin
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2017-06-13T16:15:39 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wm15JbY6/IMG_1413.JPG
2017-06-13T16:15:58 < englishman> back in the land of the orange cat, i see
2017-06-13T16:16:58 < crt> Yeah :}
2017-06-13T16:18:41 < jadew> speaking of the picture before, check out what I've got: http://5.12.184.90/stuff/20170612_194920.jpg
2017-06-13T16:19:43 < jadew> my son wanted one because he saw them at the kindergarten
2017-06-13T16:20:10 < jadew> but he can't use them, cuz his hand is too small hehe
2017-06-13T16:20:39 < crt> The autiste
2017-06-13T16:21:13 < zyp> just 3d-print one with a smaller radius? :p
2017-06-13T16:21:23 < jadew> zyp, that's a great idea
2017-06-13T16:21:39 < jadew> I'll let my wife know we're buying a 3d printer
2017-06-13T16:22:14 < zyp> they are so cheap nowadays, it shouldn't be too hard to justify
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2017-06-13T16:22:51 < jadew> I was just making something that has to be 3D printed
2017-06-13T16:23:00 < jadew> well, not now, but 2 hours ago
2017-06-13T16:23:16 < jadew> but I thought I'd use one of those printing services instead
2017-06-13T16:24:43 < Steffanx> Ill just use 3dhub when i need something 3d printed
2017-06-13T16:24:59 < Steffanx> Seemed pretty cheap and okish quality
2017-06-13T16:25:01 < zyp> you guys don't have friends with 3d printers even?
2017-06-13T16:25:15 < jadew> Steffanx, was thinking the same, but being able to print it right away would be great
2017-06-13T16:25:19 < jadew> zyp, I don't
2017-06-13T16:25:43 < Steffanx> I have to find better friends
2017-06-13T16:25:55 < zyp> I know at least four guys off the top of my head that I could ask to print something for me if I had to
2017-06-13T16:25:58 < zyp> (one already has)
2017-06-13T16:26:47 < zyp> 3dhubs seems okayish, but not super cheap
2017-06-13T16:27:01 < zyp> after all, you're paying for both machine time and operator time in addition to material
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2017-06-13T16:27:49 < zyp> and given that 3d printers starts at like $200, you don't really have to print much to break even
2017-06-13T16:28:01 < karlp> is a 200$ 3d printer worth buying?
2017-06-13T16:28:18 < karlp> never seen anyone buy a pritner and just get some prints for the first few months anyway,
2017-06-13T16:28:24 < karlp> so there's a pile of time into it too.
2017-06-13T16:28:54 < zyp> people say the monoprice mini is good, albeit small
2017-06-13T16:29:00 < jadew> karlp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispolAHB4jA
2017-06-13T16:29:21 < zyp> and then there's the chinese stuff like anet a8, which requires some work to avoid them burning down your house
2017-06-13T16:30:21 < karlp> yeah, amazon link there is free shipping
2017-06-13T16:30:26 < karlp> select icelnad.... " $202.85 Shipping & Import Fees Deposit to Iceland"
2017-06-13T16:30:29 < karlp> not so cheap anymore...
2017-06-13T16:30:31 < zyp> then again, when I say "starts at $200" I don't mean you should necessarily buy a $200 one
2017-06-13T16:32:30 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ooxCuIQh/IMG_0308.JPG
2017-06-13T16:33:10 < crt> Pro
2017-06-13T16:33:10 < jadew> someone blew their nose on the PCB?
2017-06-13T16:33:25 < crt> The fucking dogs did it
2017-06-13T16:38:14 < Laurenceb__> no 3d printer is worth it
2017-06-13T16:38:14 < crt> The loaded flop
2017-06-13T16:38:43 < crt> Correct dr Laurenceb__
2017-06-13T16:41:12 < crt> 3DPD
2017-06-13T16:54:16 < bitrot> Laurenceb__, what about that 200$ one that has pretty decent resolution
2017-06-13T16:55:02 < bitrot> https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15365
2017-06-13T16:55:13 < bitrot> chinese design with non replaceable head tho
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2017-06-13T17:12:21 < crt> Head mate
2017-06-13T17:13:40 < zyp> Laurenceb__, idk, so far I'm enjoying the ability to push a button and have a custom shaped piece of plastic in a couple of hours
2017-06-13T17:14:47 < BrainDamage> is it really push button receive item or do you need to fiddle around? I don't have irl friends whom have a 3d printer but all my online acquietances told me they require some degree of fiddling
2017-06-13T17:15:44 < dongs> zyp, yeah. using bandwidth-test thing on mikrodik
2017-06-13T17:15:50 < zyp> BrainDamage, well, the printer I've got is a six year old shitty kit with a modern hotend and extruder, and it's shit
2017-06-13T17:15:52 < englishman> once you spend a year setting it up, yeah, push button -> plastic
2017-06-13T17:16:31 < englishman> not just the printer mechanically, it's also your slicer
2017-06-13T17:18:05 < zyp> problem with mine it doesn't have a heated bed, so shit doesn't stick properly, and the bed mechanism is also cantilevered so the z-calibration isn't very deterministic and it doesn't have a z-probe either
2017-06-13T17:19:00 < zyp> one of my friends bought a prusa mk2s recently and didn't spend much time to get it to churn out great prints
2017-06-13T17:19:00 < englishman> yeah that's part of setup, i had to use some funky firmware that probed the bed at 9 points and made z-adjustments based on the map it made
2017-06-13T17:19:06 < Rob235> ive been wanting one for so long, can you spend a shitload on an extruder to get really high quality? or is there a limit
2017-06-13T17:19:12 < zyp> so it depends what you get
2017-06-13T17:19:57 < Rob235> last I was looking at a prusa i3 kit
2017-06-13T17:20:08 < Rob235> with plans to upgrade to at least a dual extruder
2017-06-13T17:21:38 < Steffanx> I cant justify 700$ for an occational print..
2017-06-13T17:21:54 < Steffanx> s*
2017-06-13T17:21:54 < Rob235> 700?
2017-06-13T17:21:57 < Rob235> for what?
2017-06-13T17:22:03 < Rob235> i thought a prusa i3 kit was like 300
2017-06-13T17:22:15 < Steffanx> Isnt the prusa mk2s 700?
2017-06-13T17:22:33 < Rob235> oh not sure, havent looked at models in a long time
2017-06-13T17:22:40 < Rob235> whats the mk2s got
2017-06-13T17:23:09 < sync> Steffanx: yolo
2017-06-13T17:24:14 < Steffanx> You dont know that.
2017-06-13T17:25:21 < Rob235> Steffanx is gonna be disappointed :)
2017-06-13T17:26:05 < Rob235> so the S in mk2s has polished rods and better bearings
2017-06-13T17:26:16 < Laurenceb__> filament deposition printing is shit
2017-06-13T17:26:26 < karlp> we can'
2017-06-13T17:26:31 < karlp> t all afford laser sintering yo
2017-06-13T17:26:47 < BrainDamage> or 6 axis machining
2017-06-13T17:27:00 < sync> 6 axis is cheap tho
2017-06-13T17:27:06 < sync> well, 5 axis
2017-06-13T17:27:12 < sync> but 6 axis is uncommon
2017-06-13T17:28:23 < crt> Sniff it
2017-06-13T17:28:49 < Rob235> hmm never heard of laser sintering, what is the wet version called?
2017-06-13T17:28:59 < Rob235> liquid instead of powder
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2017-06-13T17:31:33 < BrainDamage> stereolythography
2017-06-13T17:32:01 < BrainDamage> but with SLS you fuse together material, with stereolythography you polymerize a liquid
2017-06-13T17:32:20 < Rob235> ok
2017-06-13T17:48:08 < ReadErr> omg
2017-06-13T17:48:10 < ReadErr> https://github.com/tramplersheikhs/hgbd
2017-06-13T17:48:17 < Steffanx> I can actually live with the presa in ultra mode
2017-06-13T17:48:19 < ReadErr> templeOS + networking
2017-06-13T17:50:49 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-13T17:50:49 < englishman> he even made a discord client
2017-06-13T17:51:02 < ReadErr> ^
2017-06-13T17:59:10 < crt> Hah
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2017-06-13T18:03:05 < Rob235> http://e3d-online.com/Multi-Extrusion/The-Kraken-Fully-Loaded
2017-06-13T18:03:12 < Rob235> yum
2017-06-13T18:05:56 < Rob235> stop making me wish I had money guys
2017-06-13T18:06:44 < Laurenceb__> >multi-extrusion
2017-06-13T18:06:52 < Rob235> ?
2017-06-13T18:06:53 < Laurenceb__> cuz that will surely solve all the problems
2017-06-13T18:07:24 < Rob235> what problems
2017-06-13T18:09:10  * Rob235 wishes he knew what went on in Laurenceb__ 's head
2017-06-13T18:09:15 < Rob235> maybe
2017-06-13T18:09:43 < Laurenceb__> problems with filament "3d printing"
2017-06-13T18:10:13 < Rob235> oh
2017-06-13T18:10:40 < Rob235> well it is what it is
2017-06-13T18:12:03 < Rob235> and if you are ok with what it is, then multi-extrusion is nice
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2017-06-13T18:20:29 < zyp> Rob235, I'm considering a kraken for the printer I'm building
2017-06-13T18:20:40 < Rob235> nice
2017-06-13T18:21:01 < Rob235> says its water cooled, is that contained or do you have to set up a whole loop?
2017-06-13T18:21:13 < zyp> read more
2017-06-13T18:21:32 < zyp> says pump is included and you only need to circulate it through a bucket
2017-06-13T18:21:47 < zyp> but eh, idk
2017-06-13T18:22:04 < zyp> first I'm gonna build the printer and make it work well with a single extruder
2017-06-13T18:23:14 < dongs> what a fucking scam
2017-06-13T18:23:24 < dongs> 145gbp for some pieces of metal?
2017-06-13T18:23:25 < dongs> fuck 3d printing
2017-06-13T18:23:41 < fest> I built a watercooled dual extrusion block for e3d nozzles a few years ago- still didn't work too well with PLA
2017-06-13T18:23:50 < Rob235> thats kinda shitty, should come with all parts to keep it clean looking
2017-06-13T18:24:06 < Rob235> especially for that price
2017-06-13T18:24:38 < Rob235> well I guess compared to the other models maybe not
2017-06-13T18:25:16 < Rob235> they are just all expensive
2017-06-13T18:27:00 < zyp> fest, didn't work too well how? as long as you keep the cold side of the heatbreak cold it has done its job
2017-06-13T18:28:50 < fest> well, my design had just one coolant loop around the block and it did not keep the stainless steel filament guide cold enough and PLA started to soften too far from the nozzle
2017-06-13T18:29:44 < zyp> ah, heh
2017-06-13T18:31:26 < fest> it did work well with ABS though- but I built the printer specifically for large parts (~500x500x400mm build volume) and never got around building the heated chamber so now it's just gathering dust :)
2017-06-13T18:31:49 < Rob235> send it to me! :)
2017-06-13T18:32:07 < zyp> I've mostly been doing PETG on mine
2017-06-13T18:32:22 < Rob235> anyone have old ones they dont use? I'll pay shipping!
2017-06-13T18:33:02 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/0hyGw.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/8rapq.jpg <- I designed and printed this thing the other day
2017-06-13T18:33:47 < dongs> is that FREESCAD
2017-06-13T18:33:50 < fest> I had my workplace order zortrax m200 which has been very reliable
2017-06-13T18:34:00 < zyp> dongs, Fusion 360
2017-06-13T18:34:08 < dongs> on a MAC
2017-06-13T18:34:11 < dongs> HEAhaehahEHAhaE
2017-06-13T18:34:14 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-13T18:34:19 < crt> Mate
2017-06-13T18:34:27 < fest> zyp: corexy?
2017-06-13T18:34:35 < zyp> fest, that's the plan, yes
2017-06-13T18:35:48 < fest> https://plus.google.com/photos/112747996526887311433/albums/6100619913795148273
2017-06-13T18:35:50 < zyp> I've looked at the common variations (dbot, hypercube, voron, etc…), so I'm gonna grab the ideas I like and do my own design
2017-06-13T18:36:11 < zyp> it's probably gonna turn into shit compared to just following a design though :)
2017-06-13T18:37:07 < englishman> dongs, pins 1-25 and 51-75 or 26-50 and 76-100
2017-06-13T18:37:16 < dongs> mmm
2017-06-13T18:37:23 < dongs> which ones are more 5V-tolerant
2017-06-13T18:37:33 < dongs> jk, not sure if it matters
2017-06-13T18:37:40 < englishman> its f427vi
2017-06-13T18:38:32 < dongs> wow, bonus
2017-06-13T18:38:35 < dongs> its entirely FT
2017-06-13T18:38:50 < dongs> only like PA5 is TTa
2017-06-13T18:38:57 < zyp> fest, dual 4020 extrusions for the x axis seems kinda heavy and overkill
2017-06-13T18:38:58 < dongs> the rest are all FT
2017-06-13T18:40:42 < fest> zyp: they are, that's mainly because I wanted to conserve build height (nozzle tip is very close to XY plane)
2017-06-13T18:41:33 < zyp> sandwiching the head between there doesn't seem very flexible either
2017-06-13T18:42:16 < fest> yes, it was a pain to work on the nozzle :(
2017-06-13T18:42:36 < fest> and heater block
2017-06-13T18:43:20 < zyp> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2146430 <- I'm thinking about doing something similar to this
2017-06-13T18:45:24 < dongs> corexy is pretty legit
2017-06-13T18:45:29 < dongs> thats the shit in my dickstarterprinter
2017-06-13T18:46:21 < zyp> yeah, it seems to be the nicest topology
2017-06-13T18:48:22 < zyp> anything that needs to be wired up is either mounted on the frame or on the head (except the bed heater), not a lot of motors all over the place moving relative to each other
2017-06-13T18:48:28 < englishman> id better use some kapton for safety
2017-06-13T18:48:33 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-13T18:48:36 < dongs> on what?
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2017-06-13T18:48:49 < dongs> better see the craters
2017-06-13T18:50:26 < zyp> I've been toying with the idea of throwing a separate mcu on the head, so everything on the head can be wired to a single board, with only power and a single data bus having to be passed to the main controller
2017-06-13T18:50:56 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ZHIhzjo.jpg?1
2017-06-13T18:50:58 < englishman> setting up camera
2017-06-13T18:51:25 < dongs> meh, you shoulda used copper plated pads
2017-06-13T18:51:28 < dongs> for CLCEAN
2017-06-13T18:51:30 < dongs> er, CLEAN too
2017-06-13T18:51:32 < zyp> when I bought a new hotend for the old shit I have, I bundled up the wires for the heater, thermistor and heatsink fan and sleeved them
2017-06-13T18:51:49 < zyp> and then I realized I need to add a print cooling fan too
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2017-06-13T18:52:17 < zyp> would be much more convenient if I just had a local board that all that shit could be wired up to
2017-06-13T18:52:31 < Rob235> why are you wasting a stm32
2017-06-13T18:52:46 < zyp> stm32s are cheap
2017-06-13T18:52:46 < englishman> ok fire in the hole
2017-06-13T18:53:13 < englishman> NICE
2017-06-13T18:54:23 < dongs> how was it
2017-06-13T18:55:04 < englishman> way more satisfactory than expected
2017-06-13T18:56:01 < dongs> cool
2017-06-13T18:56:08 < Steffanx> Why..
2017-06-13T18:56:10 < zyp> englishman, nice crystal
2017-06-13T18:56:11 < dongs> more ad dollarz for chipburn
2017-06-13T18:56:19 < Steffanx> Its not axsemi or microchip
2017-06-13T18:56:22 < englishman> yeah zyp its for CE testing so needed an oscillator
2017-06-13T18:56:38 < zyp> oh, I thought it was for overclocking
2017-06-13T18:57:46 < zyp> I mean, the thick wires are to keep up with the increased power demand of the overclocked chip, right?
2017-06-13T18:58:05 < englishman> true
2017-06-13T18:58:06 < englishman> hmm
2017-06-13T18:58:15 < englishman> Machete doesn't detect my audio track
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2017-06-13T19:00:20 < Steffanx> Is Machete some common sw im supposed to know?
2017-06-13T19:00:33 < dongs> sounds ilek some opensores shit
2017-06-13T19:00:35 < dongs> like handbrake
2017-06-13T19:00:40 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-13T19:00:46 < dongs> aka yet another fucking ffmpeg frontend
2017-06-13T19:00:55 < crt> Rhythmbox was hilarious
2017-06-13T19:00:56 < dongs> opensores dudes LOVE frontends to cli shit
2017-06-13T19:01:02 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-13T19:01:15 < crt> Cause they can pump it
2017-06-13T19:01:52 < englishman> no its closedsores payware
2017-06-13T19:02:05 < crt> Yay
2017-06-13T19:02:06 < dongs> even worse
2017-06-13T19:03:14 < Steffanx> Still ffmpeg backend?
2017-06-13T19:03:33 < englishman> its meant to chop up videos quickly without re-encoding by cutting at keyframes
2017-06-13T19:03:40 < englishman> hence machete
2017-06-13T19:04:14 < englishman> chipburn isnt monetized
2017-06-13T19:04:24 < dongs> it should be after this one
2017-06-13T19:04:29 < dongs> or rather, before
2017-06-13T19:04:51 < dongs> zyp, fullduplex
2017-06-13T19:04:52 < dongs>             tx-current: 240.2Mbps
2017-06-13T19:04:52 < dongs>   tx-10-second-average: 244.8Mbps
2017-06-13T19:04:52 < dongs>       tx-total-average: 193.8Mbps
2017-06-13T19:04:52 < dongs>             rx-current: 298.9Mbps
2017-06-13T19:04:55 < dongs>   rx-10-second-average: 295.1Mbps
2017-06-13T19:04:57 < dongs>       rx-total-average: 221.2Mbps
2017-06-13T19:05:05 < englishman> decent
2017-06-13T19:05:23 < dongs> i turned down tx power on both ends so that it wasnt -25dbm
2017-06-13T19:05:29 < dongs> now its nicely sitting at around -50dbm
2017-06-13T19:05:33 < dongs> and speeds/etc are same
2017-06-13T19:05:59 < englishman> To be approved, all channels need at least 10,000 views.
2017-06-13T19:06:31 < englishman> currently sitting at 27
2017-06-13T19:06:38 < dongs> this mikrodick layer2 connection shit is great
2017-06-13T19:06:55 < dongs> i can access all 4 of my wireless shits, including the old link
2017-06-13T19:07:04 < dongs> even if they're on different subnets and stuff
2017-06-13T19:07:20 < bitrot> they say the mac connection method isnt recommended
2017-06-13T19:07:23 < bitrot> if you can get to it via ip
2017-06-13T19:07:27 < dongs> yeah sure
2017-06-13T19:07:36 < dongs> it works tho
2017-06-13T19:08:28 < englishman> jewtube processing
2017-06-13T19:08:39 < crt> https://youtu.be/EyHUfZxmP8s trans?
2017-06-13T19:08:54 < dongs> do you need to ask
2017-06-13T19:09:05 < dongs> oh that guy
2017-06-13T19:09:11 < dongs> ive seen him before in other TI videos
2017-06-13T19:09:14 < dongs> or maybe THAT ONE
2017-06-13T19:09:47 < bitrot> crt, this guy's shaved hair above his ear bothers me
2017-06-13T19:10:00 < karlp> dongs: what mikrotik hw did you get int he end?
2017-06-13T19:10:05 < crt> It's hilarious
2017-06-13T19:10:20 < dongs> karlp: mant19s and pair of sxt-ac's.. getting exact part#s
2017-06-13T19:10:33 < dongs> SXT HG5 AC
2017-06-13T19:10:45 < englishman> 2x?
2017-06-13T19:10:52 < dongs> eyah, its a triangle link
2017-06-13T19:10:58 < englishman> cool
2017-06-13T19:10:59 < dongs> i have to put the other one up this week sometime
2017-06-13T19:11:10 < dongs> point to multipoint
2017-06-13T19:11:42 < dongs> https://routerboard.com/RB921GS-5HPacD-19S + https://routerboard.com/RBSXTG-5HPacD-HG
2017-06-13T19:11:52 < dongs> this was like aroudn 300$ shipped, cant complain
2017-06-13T19:11:53 < englishman> so 19s talking to the two narrow beam
2017-06-13T19:12:01 < englishman> yeah very low cost stuff
2017-06-13T19:12:02 < dongs> thats cheaper than a typical trash lunix wifi router
2017-06-13T19:12:15 < dongs> englishman: yeah basically. it has 2 antennas at 60" separation or something
2017-06-13T19:12:34 < dongs> so one pointing to me and one to the othe place
2017-06-13T19:12:37 < englishman> jewtube up to 1080p
2017-06-13T19:12:50 < dongs> link? oh i guess its public
2017-06-13T19:12:56 < englishman> oh this is you leeching
2017-06-13T19:13:00 < englishman> no put it private until 4k works
2017-06-13T19:13:03 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUOnOy7q54c_1aWLOgIfRTxA
2017-06-13T19:13:17 < englishman> haha
2017-06-13T19:13:25 < dongs> 1st link for "chipburn youtube"
2017-06-13T19:13:39 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt6z_--4jKwu3lo0dBdvz-w
2017-06-13T19:13:48 < dongs> yeah just found that from lastlog
2017-06-13T19:14:25 < englishman> it's not obvious how to edit this stuff
2017-06-13T19:15:50 < dongs> CREATORS DASHBOARD or someshit
2017-06-13T19:16:41 < englishman> Use the drop-down menu next to your name to view your channel as Yourself, a New visitor, or a Returning subscriber.
2017-06-13T19:16:44 < englishman> no menu found
2017-06-13T19:16:56 < bitrot> lol thinking that google docs are ever up to date
2017-06-13T19:17:07 < dongs> next to your name is that shitty fucking google+ icon dropdown
2017-06-13T19:17:08 < englishman> ok 4k is up
2017-06-13T19:18:16 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXlJemfR4rA
2017-06-13T19:18:21 < englishman> like share retweet
2017-06-13T19:18:48 < dongs> wow
2017-06-13T19:18:55 < bitrot> wat
2017-06-13T19:18:57 < bitrot> why
2017-06-13T19:19:01 < bitrot> why did you just blob up a crystal there
2017-06-13T19:19:25 < zyp> bitrot, F427 doesn't have CRS
2017-06-13T19:19:35 < englishman> yes bitrot
2017-06-13T19:19:43 < englishman> you need it to run usb
2017-06-13T19:19:46 < karlp> nice bang there.
2017-06-13T19:19:47 -!- bitrot is now known as rajkosto
2017-06-13T19:20:01 < englishman> the cap was found a few feet away
2017-06-13T19:20:21 < dongs> haha wow
2017-06-13T19:20:26 < dongs> awesome
2017-06-13T19:20:29 < englishman> yes
2017-06-13T19:20:33 < englishman> good idea dongs
2017-06-13T19:22:32 < karlp> now do it with real CE voltages, not this pansy 120v shit
2017-06-13T19:22:57 < karlp> dongs, are you in 100v japan or 230v japan?
2017-06-13T19:23:26 < dongs> thre's only 100V japan
2017-06-13T19:23:28 < zyp> there's no 230v japan
2017-06-13T19:23:30 < dongs> i think you mean 50 ot 60hz
2017-06-13T19:23:32 < dongs> or
2017-06-13T19:23:38 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-13T19:23:53 < zyp> well, there's 200V shit
2017-06-13T19:23:58 < karlp> oh, it's the same voltage, ok.
2017-06-13T19:24:02 < dongs> i have 200V shit
2017-06-13T19:24:26 < karlp> yeah, knew you had diff freqs,
2017-06-13T19:24:38 < zyp> the ACs in the apartment complex I use to stay at are wired for 200V
2017-06-13T19:25:22 < dongs> the new mansion i bought had aircon sockets with 100V on top and 200V on bottom
2017-06-13T19:25:22 < zyp> but that's just line-line, since normal outlets are line-neutral
2017-06-13T19:25:28 < dongs> in each room
2017-06-13T19:25:33 < dongs> such helpful japs
2017-06-13T19:26:08 < dongs> also i got a cooling-only aircon
2017-06-13T19:26:22 < dongs> there's some atempt at central floor heating in that place
2017-06-13T19:26:59 < zyp> in norway, people get aircons mostly for power-efficient heating, cooling is just an additional benefit
2017-06-13T19:27:13 < dongs> i figured the heating mode would never be used
2017-06-13T19:27:23 < dongs> is heating b y aircon vs like something else really that much better?
2017-06-13T19:27:33 < dongs> typical heating shit uses like 4.5kW in heat mode
2017-06-13T19:27:36 < dongs> (aircon
2017-06-13T19:27:48 < zyp> umm, no it doesn't
2017-06-13T19:28:25 < englishman> isnt that heatpump vs. aircon
2017-06-13T19:28:33 < zyp> typical circuits here only provide 3.7kW, and an aircon won't be close to saturate it alone
2017-06-13T19:28:44 < zyp> englishman, same tech, different terms, yes
2017-06-13T19:28:50 < dongs> http://kakaku.com/item/K0000853777/spec/#tab very small room aircon
2017-06-13T19:28:50 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-13T19:29:25 < dongs> oh, 2.2kW is heating "power" wahtever that mans
2017-06-13T19:29:34 < dongs> and heating consumption is 470W
2017-06-13T19:29:43 < zyp> ah, yeah, that sounds more right
2017-06-13T19:29:51 < dongs> thats for like a 1x1meter jap room
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2017-06-13T19:30:05 < englishman> yeah you can't measure it the same way as resistive heat
2017-06-13T19:30:08 < zyp> 4.5kW is probably the heat output of a typical one
2017-06-13T19:30:09 < englishman> so they are measured in BTUs
2017-06-13T19:30:28 < zyp> but it won't consume that much electricity, that's the whole point
2017-06-13T19:30:28 < englishman> but i guess in weird metric units they can justify kw "equivalent"
2017-06-13T19:30:34 < dongs> zyp, eyah, i was looking at my kakaku history to try to find one that was like 16-room size thing
2017-06-13T19:30:44 < zyp> it consumes some electricity and sucks the rest of the energy from the air outside
2017-06-13T19:30:55 < dongs> http://kakaku.com/item/K0000932553/spec/#tab
2017-06-13T19:31:00 < dongs> 1450W in heating
2017-06-13T19:31:04 < dongs> and 5kW heat 'power'
2017-06-13T19:31:10 < englishman> ok time to put together china parts order now
2017-06-13T19:31:13 < zyp> yeah, that sounds comparable to the ones we have here
2017-06-13T19:31:14 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-13T19:31:20 < dongs> englishman: better be ready when i wake up
2017-06-13T19:32:07 < zyp> englishman, energy is energy, doesn't really make that much sense to mix in BTU and shit
2017-06-13T19:32:25 < zyp> just because you can't distinguish between thermal and electric energy
2017-06-13T19:32:31 < englishman> ha
2017-06-13T19:35:42 < zyp> I mean, if it consumes 1450W of electricity to produce 5kW of heat, it's obvious that it's a bit above 3x as efficient as a plain resistive heater, so it should cut your heating bill by about 2/3
2017-06-13T19:35:50 < zyp> makes it easy to figure out when you'll break even
2017-06-13T19:36:19 < zyp> if one of the numbers were in BTUs I wouldn't have a clue, I don't know how much a BTU is
2017-06-13T19:36:47 < zyp> and if you end up converting it back to watts to compare, what's the point of using different units in the first place?
2017-06-13T19:43:25 < qyx> 2 ton compressor
2017-06-13T19:43:50 < englishman> i believe the BTU was used before it was known that heat = energy
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2017-06-13T19:46:01 < dongs> is jewtube broken
2017-06-13T19:46:10 < dongs> i cant play anything > 720p in most links
2017-06-13T19:46:34 < karlp> heh, sif using electricity for heating....
2017-06-13T19:46:39 < qyx> how do japs get 200V between phases
2017-06-13T19:46:49 < qyx> do they use two phase grid?
2017-06-13T19:47:48 < BrainDamage> englishman: not equalivent, it's realy just kW
2017-06-13T19:48:15 < BrainDamage> and BTU is wrong, the real unit would be BTU/h
2017-06-13T19:48:17 < qyx> ton is kW, BTU is kWh
2017-06-13T19:48:39 < qyx> with appropriate multipliers
2017-06-13T19:49:46 < BrainDamage> 1BTU/h = 0.29W = 0.00039Hp
2017-06-13T19:50:14 < qyx> yes, kWh/h is kW :)
2017-06-13T19:50:33 < BrainDamage> kWh is another idiocy :p
2017-06-13T19:50:59 < BrainDamage> W=J/s so you have Jh/s = J * hour/second = joule * constant
2017-06-13T19:52:48 < qyx> englishman: how does your new sensor stick with lora look like?
2017-06-13T19:55:04 < englishman> qyx: http://i.imgur.com/CV49qFb.jpg?1
2017-06-13T19:55:35 < rajkosto> is that safe
2017-06-13T19:55:42 < rajkosto> such a big cap right next to water stuff ?
2017-06-13T19:56:06 < englishman> such a big cap
2017-06-13T19:56:18 < rajkosto> yuge
2017-06-13T19:56:22 < englishman> yolo
2017-06-13T19:56:36 < rajkosto> or did you conform treat it
2017-06-13T19:56:55 < englishman> no
2017-06-13T19:57:03 < BrainDamage> it'll just rust
2017-06-13T19:57:53 < qyx> no rust, golang
2017-06-13T19:57:58 < englishman> ^
2017-06-13T19:58:29 < englishman> also updated my csvlog.go to keep uv, lux and battery voltage
2017-06-13T19:58:40 < qyx> is there a battery?
2017-06-13T19:58:42 < qyx> or just the cap?
2017-06-13T19:58:54 < qyx> but meh, how would it become charged
2017-06-13T19:58:58 < englishman> CR2477
2017-06-13T19:59:14 < qyx> such big
2017-06-13T19:59:20 < qyx> does the lora thing work?
2017-06-13T19:59:28 < qyx> better than 2'?
2017-06-13T19:59:30 < BrainDamage> is this for pot farming?
2017-06-13T19:59:59 < englishman> yeah it's been working great
2017-06-13T20:00:09 < englishman> the ragepberripi keeps coming disconnected
2017-06-13T20:00:13 < englishman> from power
2017-06-13T20:00:15 < englishman> micro-usb
2017-06-13T20:00:45 < englishman> and lunix serial is fucking crap
2017-06-13T20:02:09 < BrainDamage> s/serial//
2017-06-13T20:02:16 < qyx> 1000mAh in this cr2477
2017-06-13T20:02:28 < qyx> but costs about ~2e
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2017-06-13T20:04:42 < englishman> eh i got 10 for 7 beaverbux on amadongs
2017-06-13T20:05:37 < qyx> whats the average power consumption?
2017-06-13T20:05:50 < englishman> right now it's amped up quite a bit
2017-06-13T20:06:00 < englishman> unfortunately i don't have anything sensitive nor fast enough to actually test
2017-06-13T20:06:04 < qyx> wouldn't a row of 0.5V 70uA PIN photodiodes suffice?
2017-06-13T20:06:22 < englishman> like for power?
2017-06-13T20:06:27 < qyx> yes
2017-06-13T20:06:35 < englishman> the sensors and power actually take quite a bit
2017-06-13T20:06:40 < qyx> like 6 or 7 to charge a cap
2017-06-13T20:06:42 < englishman> err radio
2017-06-13T20:06:51 < englishman> the cell battery should last years tho
2017-06-13T20:07:18 < englishman> btw
2017-06-13T20:07:20 < englishman> si1133 is cool
2017-06-13T20:07:34 < englishman> but fully useless when it comes to actually getting LUX values out of it
2017-06-13T20:07:51 < englishman> I would recommend you to only set up 1 channel to take ALS measurement and compare the result against a LUX meter. Take multiple readings and fit a first order or 2nd order polynomial equation to calculate LUX. That should work for your application.
2017-06-13T20:07:55 < englishman> like come on
2017-06-13T20:08:21 < qyx> hha
2017-06-13T20:08:34 < qyx> but you wozld have to do calibrtion anyway
2017-06-13T20:08:50 < qyx> although you have no cover over the luxmeter
2017-06-13T20:08:56 < englishman> right
2017-06-13T20:09:06 < qyx> it could be factory calibrated for no cover
2017-06-13T20:09:09 < englishman> their sample code was reading 400klux in absolute darkness
2017-06-13T20:09:15 < englishman> with no cover
2017-06-13T20:09:51 < qyx> too much dark has flown into registers
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2017-06-13T20:39:10 < upgrdman> anyone used the TI AM335 chips? cortex-a8
2017-06-13T20:40:05 < upgrdman> e.g. https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/TMDSSK3358/296-34889-ND/3588749
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2017-06-13T21:02:26 < englishman> qyx: i misplaced my additional si1133
2017-06-13T21:02:28 < englishman> fucking silabs man
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2017-06-13T21:11:38 < Steffanx> Lol your raging.
2017-06-13T21:12:50 < Steffanx> Stop buying crap englishman
2017-06-13T21:17:27 < Lux> upgrdman: isn't that just the chip used on the beagle bone black ?
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2017-06-13T21:54:59 < englishman> is arrow.com catalogue broken for anyone else
2017-06-13T21:55:08 < upgrdman> Lux, ya looks like it
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2017-06-13T22:01:08 < Steffanx> uhm no? (5 minutes later)
2017-06-13T22:01:33 < Steffanx> @ mr englishman
2017-06-13T22:01:48 < englishman> wtf
2017-06-13T22:01:51 < Steffanx> Work for me (tm)
2017-06-13T22:02:12 < Steffanx> or do you mean a paper version? I dont have one.
2017-06-13T22:02:12 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/S0vBh1u.png
2017-06-13T22:02:28 < Steffanx>  1,900 products
2017-06-13T22:02:31 < englishman> fucking ARROW
2017-06-13T22:03:36 < BrainDamage> maybe they've firewalled you out after last accident
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2017-06-13T22:04:03 < Steffanx> Beaver made a dam again.
2017-06-13T22:04:23 < englishman> i have no idea where these damn si1133 went, they were on my desk yesterday
2017-06-13T22:07:59 < dongs> englishman: lol @ arrow having no stm32
2017-06-13T22:08:06 < dongs> i guess I'll never visit their site
2017-06-13T22:08:22 < englishman> right.
2017-06-13T22:08:34 < englishman> i just blew up their last one on video.
2017-06-13T22:08:38 < dongs> my dickstarter pals order only from avnet
2017-06-13T22:09:24 < dongs> hm wait
2017-06-13T22:09:33 < dongs> Avnet, Inc. is one of the world's largest distributors of electronic components and embedded solutions and is headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona.
2017-06-13T22:09:52 < dongs> maybe r2com works for avnet
2017-06-13T22:09:57 < dongs> selling stm32s
2017-06-13T22:12:46 < englishman> i'm sure that would explain the constant stock issues
2017-06-13T22:16:53 < Steffanx> Arrow just stopped selling stm32s to englishman. He complains too much.
2017-06-13T22:18:41 < Steffanx> One order and he'll call them daily.
2017-06-13T22:26:24 < englishman> they could choose to ship my shit but instead they choose to be lazy fucks and receive angry calls from clients
2017-06-13T22:30:54 < BrainDamage> arrow2com
2017-06-13T22:31:34 < invzim> blargh, usb6b1
2017-06-13T22:31:39 < invzim> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/3e/ec/b2/54/b2/76/47/90/CD00001361.pdf/files/CD00001361.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00001361.pdf
2017-06-13T22:31:47 < invzim> not exactly workign as I thought it would
2017-06-13T22:31:58 < invzim> not really doing mucn until vbus is about 10V
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2017-06-14T00:05:13 < karlp> BrainDamage: kWh is dumb sure, but joules are just such a tiny unit.
2017-06-14T00:12:21 < BrainDamage> so use kJ
2017-06-14T00:12:45 < BrainDamage> or MJ
2017-06-14T00:21:07 < ohsix> ah, boobies
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2017-06-14T00:25:33 < karlp> invzim: what do you mean not until 10V?Ð
2017-06-14T00:26:10 < karlp> BrainDamage: if people start labelling products in their joule/sec consumption, you might start seeing kJ and MJ being used :)
2017-06-14T00:30:40 < BrainDamage> joule/s*s
2017-06-14T00:47:38 < phryk> can i build a star topology with rs-485 without it sucking?^^
2017-06-14T00:49:31 < karlp> maybe.
2017-06-14T00:49:40 < karlp> you're better off making a ring.
2017-06-14T00:49:41 < phryk> not sure I'm communicating this right, what I'm talking about is I want to be able to connect each slave separately, with its own cable.
2017-06-14T00:49:41 < hexo> rs-485 vacuum cleaner?
2017-06-14T00:49:51  * hexo runs
2017-06-14T00:50:14 < karlp> an easy way is to just put up and down connectors on each device.
2017-06-14T00:51:01 < phryk> karlp: you mean use a cable with more lines than necessary and basically loop back and forth between master and slaves?
2017-06-14T00:51:06 < karlp> what?
2017-06-14T00:51:24 < karlp> no, master -> slave1 up; slave1 down->slave2 up; slave2 down -> slave3 up
2017-06-14T00:51:29 < TheSeven> hm, how do I debug a seemingly spurious hard fault on cortex m0?
2017-06-14T00:51:53 < phryk> karlp: yeah, that's the standard bus-topology, isn't it?
2017-06-14T00:51:59 < karlp> yes. that's what you want.
2017-06-14T00:52:15 < karlp> how were you planning on wiring your star anyway?
2017-06-14T00:52:27 < TheSeven> the instruction that triggers it (but only once every couple of minutes) is "strb r1, [r3, #0]" with r3 pointing to a valid SRAM address (e.g. 0x2000065c)
2017-06-14T00:52:28 < karlp> one connector with 30 wires all crimped onto the A line?
2017-06-14T00:52:35 < karlp> and another 30 crimped onto b?
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2017-06-14T00:53:56 < phryk> karlp: I don't know. My next question might've been "Can I connect a whole bunch of rs-485 transceivers to a single uart?" ^^;
2017-06-14T00:54:07 < karlp> I don't even know what that means.
2017-06-14T00:54:59 < karlp> but if means what I think it means, that's not really a star anymore, that's just a whole lot of separate rs485 networks.
2017-06-14T00:55:06 < karlp> and now you have a whole set of different problems.
2017-06-14T00:55:20 < phryk> karlp: yeah, basically a whole bunch of point-to-point connections
2017-06-14T00:55:57 < phryk> I think for rs-485 transceiver the better term might've been line driver? Still need to figure out a good deal of terminology
2017-06-14T00:56:09 < karlp> you're going to need like a shit loads of pins to manage all the rx enable / tx enable pins to try and do that.
2017-06-14T00:56:26 < karlp> normally you can just use one pin and have it either in drive or receive mode
2017-06-14T00:57:02 < karlp> in your world, you'd have to have every one of them in disabled mode, using two pins, so that your single uart doesn't get drowned out each time
2017-06-14T00:57:06 < phryk> Yeah, it would also mean the whole thing would get a lot more expensive because you need double the connector count
2017-06-14T00:57:12 < karlp> I think you're off in the woods somewhere.
2017-06-14T00:57:19 < karlp> what's wrong with a regular bus?
2017-06-14T00:58:01 < phryk> I want to be able to lay every node freely. Up down, wherever. Maybe I'm just oblivious to how I can lay the cables in a setup like that…
2017-06-14T00:58:48 < karlp> then go all out and use ethernet.
2017-06-14T01:01:21 < phryk> Mhh, will have to ponder this a good bit. Would basically abolish my need for the master node… I think I'll save this change for a later iteration and see how far the bus topology will take me…
2017-06-14T01:06:07 < phryk> Is it a problem if I transport DC power in the same cable as the rs-495 data?
2017-06-14T01:07:21 < karlp> no, I do that.
2017-06-14T01:07:37 < kakimir> sync: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182496303415 do you think this is any good?
2017-06-14T01:07:51 < sync> lol
2017-06-14T01:08:11 < sync> srs
2017-06-14T01:08:15 < kakimir> I don't have plasma
2017-06-14T01:08:24 < kakimir> and I need to cut straights out of plate
2017-06-14T01:08:39 < kakimir> now I just draw a line
2017-06-14T01:08:39 < sync> learn how 2 angle grind
2017-06-14T01:09:03 < sync> probably not better than doing it by hand
2017-06-14T01:09:06 < phryk> kakimir: thanks for the info. :)
2017-06-14T01:09:24 < kakimir> then I just try to see the line in the shadow corner of workshop while sparks fly around
2017-06-14T01:10:03 < sync> wat
2017-06-14T01:10:09 < sync> wear eye protection
2017-06-14T01:10:32 < kakimir> I do
2017-06-14T01:10:39 < kakimir> zekler
2017-06-14T01:10:50 < kakimir> next I try 3M stuff
2017-06-14T01:11:41 < sync> I like to use a faceshield
2017-06-14T01:11:47 < sync> + glasses obv
2017-06-14T01:12:27 < kakimir> I would like to have fresh air mask
2017-06-14T01:12:40 < kakimir> it's in my todo
2017-06-14T01:12:58 < kakimir> I have old NIMH machine so I need to just convert it to lipotech
2017-06-14T01:13:07 < kakimir> dual filter thing
2017-06-14T01:13:20 < kakimir> standard thread
2017-06-14T01:13:36 < kakimir> then I need a new mask for it
2017-06-14T01:14:10 < sync> forced air masks are nice, but I never felt the need for one
2017-06-14T01:14:48 < kakimir> I could buy an automatic welding mask too with forced air
2017-06-14T01:14:55 < kakimir> use the fan unit for it too
2017-06-14T01:16:37 < kakimir> you have automatic mask?
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2017-06-14T01:19:51 < sync> yeah, I have a lincoln mask
2017-06-14T01:20:22 < kakimir> do you remember blade guard mounting diameter sync in your metabos?
2017-06-14T01:20:36 < sync> I don't have a metabo angle grinder
2017-06-14T01:21:03 < kakimir> new ones are meh
2017-06-14T01:21:15 < kakimir> father have one from 90s
2017-06-14T01:21:38 < kakimir> no bullshit all business
2017-06-14T01:21:42 < sync> I started switching over to 株式会社マキタ
2017-06-14T01:22:01 < kakimir> you can throw it away after the project is done?
2017-06-14T01:22:09 < kakimir> and take out new one
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2017-06-14T01:23:24 < sync> no
2017-06-14T01:23:33 < kakimir> oh makita
2017-06-14T01:24:11 < kakimir> which one?
2017-06-14T01:24:23 < sync> pff, no idea, a small and a big one
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2017-06-14T01:37:18 < kakimir> crt's cat found in the internets https://images.apina.biz/full/159737.jpg
2017-06-14T01:37:48 < kakimir> what is disturbing it really is crt's cat
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2017-06-14T01:55:09 < jadew> ok, so solvespace has quite a few limitations
2017-06-14T01:55:48 < jadew> it's probably going to be a good tool in a couple of years if development will continue
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2017-06-14T02:53:54 < Laurenceb__> I for one welcome this new youtube regulation
2017-06-14T02:54:15 < Laurenceb__> it's time they were made to pay for the existence of Justin Bieber
2017-06-14T02:56:17 < jadew> huh?
2017-06-14T02:58:06 < Laurenceb__> UK government plans to fine google for "offensive" youtube videos
2017-06-14T02:58:13 < Laurenceb__> i.e. the only fun ones
2017-06-14T02:58:16 < jadew> heh
2017-06-14T02:58:35 < Laurenceb__> I see youtube has added "fake childrens shows" to the demonetised list
2017-06-14T02:58:47 < jadew> well, I agree to that
2017-06-14T02:58:50 < Laurenceb__> another source of lulz on the scrapheap :(
2017-06-14T02:59:03 < jadew> I think they mean the shit fake cartoons
2017-06-14T02:59:16 < jadew> youtube is infested with them
2017-06-14T02:59:23 < Laurenceb__> ah
2017-06-14T02:59:24 < jadew> you wouldn't know about them, but I do
2017-06-14T02:59:35 < Laurenceb__> I was thinking of the unexpected ISIS videos
2017-06-14T02:59:43 < jadew> they're copies of known cartoons that kids like, but shittier and often with a lot of violance
2017-06-14T02:59:44 < Laurenceb__> the ISIS anthem is pretty epin tbh
2017-06-14T02:59:49 < jadew> *violence
2017-06-14T03:01:49 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DcSobnkB0w
2017-06-14T03:02:54 < jadew> yeah, I don't think they mean that
2017-06-14T03:04:00 < jadew> although, you never know, I've read that in UK you can go to prison if someone takes offense with something you say/do
2017-06-14T03:05:34 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'm in jail dude
2017-06-14T03:06:00 < Laurenceb__> I legit got arrested for handing out DVDs of kittens being tortured to death to PETA supporters
2017-06-14T03:06:26 < Laurenceb__> but they let me go with a warning so it was all cool
2017-06-14T03:06:52 < jadew> should have said you were only trying to raise awareness
2017-06-14T03:07:26 < Laurenceb__> they were kind of pissed off because the PETA guys were threatening me and had to be arrested
2017-06-14T03:07:42 < Laurenceb__> but one of them was also involved in hardcore firebombing shit
2017-06-14T03:07:55 < Laurenceb__> so they had to reschedule the raid on his house
2017-06-14T03:08:32 < Laurenceb__> he was the main one who threatened me and got 25 years lol
2017-06-14T03:15:02 < jadew> Laurenceb__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqX3MHcONek
2017-06-14T03:16:57 < Laurenceb__> this looks retarded
2017-06-14T03:17:04 < jadew> it is
2017-06-14T03:17:24 < jadew> and it gets into the cartoon feeds kids watch
2017-06-14T03:17:39 < Laurenceb__> even the quality is lame
2017-06-14T03:18:02 < jadew> yeah, but it's targetted at ~3 yo, which makes the content even worse
2017-06-14T03:32:26 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-r5aLe19dQ&feature=related
2017-06-14T03:32:29 < Laurenceb__> totallysane
2017-06-14T03:33:17 < Laurenceb__> wew 1:30
2017-06-14T03:33:38 < Laurenceb__> 1:35 typical rockoon fans
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2017-06-14T04:07:14 < Laurenceb__> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20140211.html
2017-06-14T04:07:23 < Laurenceb__> [14:24] <Prometheus> We have a man in DC that is working directly with the FAA
2017-06-14T04:07:28 < Laurenceb__> god help them
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2017-06-14T04:21:35 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/blz4941l1f3z.jpg
2017-06-14T04:47:44 < Thorn> wtf is this https://controllino.biz/
2017-06-14T04:48:22 < aandrew> hah
2017-06-14T04:49:05 < aandrew> what drives me nuts is that idiots come up with this shit and make a fortune
2017-06-14T04:53:35 < Thorn> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/24519005/controllino-plc-arduino-compatible
2017-06-14T04:53:52 < Thorn> what does it even mean for a PLC to be "arduino compatible"?
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2017-06-14T04:55:46 < crt> hey boys. molotovs over here
2017-06-14T04:56:25 < englishman> haha industry ready PLC
2017-06-14T04:56:28 < englishman> attn sync
2017-06-14T04:56:35 < crt> industry ready dog
2017-06-14T04:56:36 < crt> ird
2017-06-14T04:56:51 < crt> younes mate.
2017-06-14T04:56:56 < englishman> i bet these are in nuclear reactors across the earth
2017-06-14T04:57:39 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Zl0xHgN.jpg
2017-06-14T05:01:14 < crt> ty englishman
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2017-06-14T05:09:22 < dongs> there's a TROLL in every controllino
2017-06-14T05:13:30 < crt> yeah
2017-06-14T05:13:44 < crt> innernet
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2017-06-14T05:14:00 < dongs> “I would choose the Controllino over anything I could build myself when speaking of projects that are designed to be permanent or semi-permanent.”
2017-06-14T05:14:03 < dongs> Teodor Costachioiu
2017-06-14T05:14:04 < dongs> electronics-blogger
2017-06-14T05:14:06 < dongs> Electronics-Blogger
2017-06-14T05:14:11 < dongs> i think i've found my official title
2017-06-14T05:14:21 < dongs> its when you have no fucking idea
2017-06-14T05:14:23 < dongs> and just blog 24/7
2017-06-14T05:14:26 < dongs> (kinda like amp!six)
2017-06-14T05:15:25 < englishman> i like how the first prototype + plastic shell = final product
2017-06-14T05:16:33 < dongs> its on dickstarter, 3d rendering = final product
2017-06-14T05:17:04 < aandrew> hm
2017-06-14T05:17:10 < crt> electronics blogger
2017-06-14T05:17:39 < crt> a great job
2017-06-14T05:17:48 < aandrew> any suggestions for either an STM32-like MCU with MIPI CSI (not DSI like STM327xx) or a really small MIPI CSI to parallel interface?
2017-06-14T05:19:01 < dongs> https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/jp/product/assp/interface-bridge/detail.TC358748XBG.html
2017-06-14T05:19:03 < crt> i got one
2017-06-14T05:19:05 < dongs> is that small enough
2017-06-14T05:19:56 < crt> yes
2017-06-14T05:20:01 < crt> how do i solder it
2017-06-14T05:20:10 < dongs> use arduino
2017-06-14T05:20:22 < aandrew> hm, machx03 in 6x6 BGA
2017-06-14T05:20:54 < aandrew> hm, that toshiba part isn't bad
2017-06-14T05:21:35 < dongs> toshiba part just works
2017-06-14T05:21:51 < aandrew> yeah
2017-06-14T05:21:57 < dongs> its liek $2 @ 1k
2017-06-14T05:22:01 < aandrew> found a slightly smaller one too, 358746
2017-06-14T05:22:05 < aandrew> never used tosh parts before
2017-06-14T05:24:47 < dongs> ive used hteir hdmi to dsi and hdmi to csi
2017-06-14T05:25:02 < dongs> the 0.65mm pitch should be layout nice enough you can put it on a 2L board
2017-06-14T05:25:11 < dongs> oh and also thier uh.. dsi to lvds
2017-06-14T05:25:26 < dongs> thats how dsi to lvds was
2017-06-14T05:33:05 < englishman> Hello's sleep-tracking Kickstarter hit collapses [$47M]
2017-06-14T05:34:27 < aandrew> I wish basis didn't have to recall everything and shutter
2017-06-14T05:34:36 < aandrew> all they had to do was add a vibe motor and it'd have been awesome
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2017-06-14T06:01:04 < dongs> englishman: The failure has not deterred another British entrepreneur currently using Kickstarter to raise funds for a new sleep-tracking device.
2017-06-14T06:01:07 < dongs> haha
2017-06-14T06:01:16 < dongs> the circle of aids continues
2017-06-14T06:01:29 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/circadia/circadia-sleep-and-work-better-using-nasa-inspired
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2017-06-14T06:40:34 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg rip Laurenceb
2017-06-14T06:44:21 < englishman> this one is less racist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPT-zk50_G4
2017-06-14T06:45:14 < englishman> apparently its a squatter shithole like that place in sf that burned to the ground https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/grenfell-tower-still-a-fire-risk/
2017-06-14T06:52:09 < dongs> englishman: i dont think youre gonna get F405 on reel
2017-06-14T06:52:16 < englishman> i did last time!
2017-06-14T06:52:21 < dongs> ok
2017-06-14T06:52:33 < englishman> also lm1881 on tape plz, forgot to mention that
2017-06-14T06:52:43 < englishman> i guess tray is OK i just nevr figured out how it works
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2017-06-14T07:38:30 < dongs> englishman: sent back quotez
2017-06-14T07:39:11 < englishman> got em thanks looks like before, will reply in morning
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2017-06-14T07:39:23 < dongs> okay
2017-06-14T07:40:03 < dongs> Laurenceb house still burning
2017-06-14T07:41:27 < englishman> no jet fuel to melt beams ;-(
2017-06-14T07:42:09 < dongs> yeah looks like its not going down
2017-06-14T07:42:20 < dongs> but i guess the condition its in, they'll need to bring it down anyway
2017-06-14T07:42:25 < dongs> not much to salvage there
2017-06-14T07:43:17 < upgrdman> if you need to get lots of data (>50Mbps) between an fpga and an mpu (cortex-a) what is a good way? i dont see qspi supported by many cortex-a8's... so DMA a big ass gpio bank?
2017-06-14T07:43:50 < dongs> sdio
2017-06-14T07:44:08 < upgrdman> oh ya they have like 3 sd/mmc periphs
2017-06-14T07:44:09 < upgrdman> nice
2017-06-14T07:44:44 < dongs> aandrew: were you looking at xo2 because lattice has a reference design to do csi to parallel?
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2017-06-14T07:50:16 < dongs> aandrew is actually working on juicero 2.0
2017-06-14T07:50:24 < dongs> with 1080p camera going into stm32f7
2017-06-14T07:50:31 < dongs> for qr code detection
2017-06-14T07:50:36 < dongs> to make sure your spinach isnt recalled
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2017-06-14T07:57:52 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/live_chat?is_popout=1&v=fPT-zk50_G4
2017-06-14T07:58:01 < dongs> RT left livechat enabled
2017-06-14T07:58:03 < dongs> on the london fire
2017-06-14T07:58:09 < dongs> its full of Laurenceb talk
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2017-06-14T08:32:44 < dongs> BREAKING: Laurenceb started teh fire
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2017-06-14T08:46:42 < ohsix> englishman: that's a fast decap
2017-06-14T08:46:50 < ohsix> what was the results of your testing
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2017-06-14T09:16:36 < crt> welcome dongs
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2017-06-14T09:42:27 < kakimir> oven mentioned
2017-06-14T10:03:09 < jadew> https://www.rt.com/uk/392135-west-london-tower-inferno/
2017-06-14T10:03:21 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPT-zk50_G4
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2017-06-14T10:04:45 < jadew> R2COM, how much?
2017-06-14T10:12:47 < jadew> I take it it's better than those T962?
2017-06-14T10:15:06 < jadew> they look the same
2017-06-14T10:17:22 < ohsix> twitter is weird, killer mike talking about anime
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2017-06-14T10:24:22 < jadew> http://www.simbits.nl/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/SAM_1289.jpg
2017-06-14T10:24:26 < jadew> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31Ze%2Beo-9XL.jpg
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2017-06-14T11:21:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0xrBxm7UfY
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2017-06-14T11:38:07 < crt> As5060
2017-06-14T11:39:57 < crt> The fire was started by a hoverboard
2017-06-14T11:45:32 < dongs> HAHA
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2017-06-14T12:10:13 < hieule> Hello, I'm new to STM. I don't know the relation beteen JTAG, ST-LINK and USB when using openocd ? . And what function does the bootloader provide? Thankyou!
2017-06-14T12:21:02 < sterna> hieule: short answer: the ST-link is an SWD-programmer. SWD is a subset of JTAG. With that interface you can upload code to your STM32 and debug it.
2017-06-14T12:21:42 < sterna> openocd is an open-source project that acts as a general communication software for JTAG (and SWD) programmers, including the st-link
2017-06-14T12:22:25 < sterna> the built-in bootloader provides others means of uploading code to your STM32, primarily via other communication interfaces (UART, CAN, USB)
2017-06-14T12:23:16 < sterna> I don't think openocd can handle the stm32 bootloader, but there is an open-source program called stm32flash that can
2017-06-14T12:23:24 < sterna> at least for the UART bootloader
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2017-06-14T12:29:26 < hieule> sterna, JTAG is hardware and bootloader is software ?
2017-06-14T12:30:19 < Thorn> T-12 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2017-06-14T12:31:46 < Thorn> [your PC: openocd runs here] --USB--> [ST-LINK] --JTAG/SWD--> [STM32 target]
2017-06-14T12:32:01 < Thorn> the bootloader is an alternative way to program a stm32 via serial interfaces (uart, usb dfu, spi etc.)
2017-06-14T12:36:33 < Thorn> ping [looking at jpa- 's log, my messages are delayed by <20 min, wtf]
2017-06-14T12:39:25 < hieule> Thankyou!
2017-06-14T12:41:23 < zyp> Thorn, timestamps in jpa-'s log matches mine, apart from the tz difference
2017-06-14T12:45:25 < Thorn> the T-13min message was @ 9:07UTC for example
2017-06-14T12:45:30 < Thorn> wtg freenode
2017-06-14T12:48:43 < zyp> sounds like a problem with your connection
2017-06-14T12:50:55 < PaulFertser> sterna: strictly speaking, SWD is ARM-specific transport used for ADI (ARM Debug Interface). And it's not anyhow related to JTAG except that ADI can also use JTAG (via ARM-specific extensions to the original boundary scan standard) as transport.
2017-06-14T12:55:14 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iwWAmgYN/IMG_0322.JPG
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2017-06-14T13:06:25 < zyp> today's lesson: eclipse scons is retarded as fuck, works much better to just tell eclipse "I wanna write my own makefiles" and pass in scons as the make utility to use
2017-06-14T13:06:34 < zyp> eclipse scons plugin*
2017-06-14T13:08:11 < crt> KRAPPPPPPP
2017-06-14T13:09:25 < zyp> extra bonus; figured out how to write a 15-line .projectspec that can be imported to eclipse and sets up a project with all the settings I care about
2017-06-14T13:09:44 < zyp> so I can add the eclipse project files to .gitignore and don't have to worry about maintaining that shit
2017-06-14T13:10:02 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iJ90DlCk/IMG_0308.JPG
2017-06-14T13:10:10 < crt> Crap?
2017-06-14T13:10:26 < zyp> saw that yesterday
2017-06-14T13:10:42 < crt> CRAP
2017-06-14T13:10:47 < crt> sup?
2017-06-14T13:11:28 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mHNDfEpM/66937B67-DD50-4303-AE40-8D356C83DB65-6502-0000062AED1AC597.gif
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2017-06-14T13:16:16 < crt> The circuit is bogus
2017-06-14T13:17:19 < crt> The minted design
2017-06-14T13:17:50 < crt> Munted
2017-06-14T13:18:50 < crt> Don't you understand how HARRIBLE THIS IS
2017-06-14T13:19:28 < jadew> so... I have a dispute with an aliexpress seller
2017-06-14T13:19:36 < jadew> they sent me the wrong SMA connectors
2017-06-14T13:19:36 < crt> Same
2017-06-14T13:19:46 < crt> They sell counterfeit garbage
2017-06-14T13:19:52 < crt> Dispute pending
2017-06-14T13:20:00 < jadew> and they said via the message center that I should cancel the dispute and they'll send me the correct one
2017-06-14T13:20:10 < jadew> but the proposal in the dispute says "no refund & no return"
2017-06-14T13:20:36 < jadew> and the message they attached to that dispute was that I didn't specify which connector I want and that they contacted me many times - which is not true, they didn't
2017-06-14T13:20:59 < jadew> I think they just want me to drop it and then they'll never send anything
2017-06-14T13:22:12 < crt> It's too late!! What the HELL am I supposed to do?!
2017-06-14T13:22:24 < crt> Whaddiya want me to do!!!
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2017-06-14T13:34:31 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uJjGrO5x/IMG_0156.JPG
2017-06-14T13:35:42 < jadew> not enough power
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2017-06-14T14:07:11 < crt> Wattz
2017-06-14T14:08:07 < invzim> kakimir: ref usb6b1 - does not sink any current until volt is about 10V, which imho is not 'within safe levels' for vbus
2017-06-14T14:08:11 < invzim> no karlp :)
2017-06-14T14:23:34 < qyx> not enough sma connectors?
2017-06-14T14:31:35 < jadew> I never seem to have enough
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2017-06-14T15:06:27 < qyx> you are oerusing them
2017-06-14T15:06:29 < qyx> or it was kakimir?
2017-06-14T15:09:38 < crt> SMA
2017-06-14T15:21:46 < karlp> invzim: so, ur doing it wrong? or are you saying the datasheet is wrong?
2017-06-14T15:24:05 < invzim> Either I'm doing it wrong, or the datasheet is 'wrong'
2017-06-14T15:24:23 < invzim> I just hooked it up to a small load and increased to voltage on input
2017-06-14T15:24:28 < invzim> the
2017-06-14T15:26:47 < karlp> it's only for transients you know.
2017-06-14T15:27:09 < karlp> did you want a vbus overvoltage protection device, like http://www.linear.com/solutions/1649 ?
2017-06-14T15:27:26 < karlp> or NCP361?
2017-06-14T15:27:54 < karlp> those are quite different devices to your transient protection device
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2017-06-14T15:51:25 < invzim> well, my impression from the datasheet is that it has a zener on vbus with 6v breakdown voltage
2017-06-14T15:55:54 < invzim> the NCP361 looks superior, why on earth didn't I find that when I searched..
2017-06-14T16:09:50 < aandrew> dongs: how did you know about my juicero 2.0 ambitions
2017-06-14T16:10:01 < aandrew> it's actually not about the juice anymore, everyone knows juice is bad for you
2017-06-14T16:10:31 < aandrew> this you insert packets of gourmet organic locally sourced food and it masticates it and spits the pre-chewed food directly into your gaping maw
2017-06-14T16:11:13 < aandrew> dongs: was looking at machxo2 for their mipi csi-2 bridge (used it in another project)
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2017-06-14T16:14:19 < sync> nice
2017-06-14T16:16:16 < englishman> so how many controlludino will bosch gmbh be purchasing
2017-06-14T16:16:44 < Lux> heh i know the guy who built those
2017-06-14T16:17:31 < Lux> controllino is based  in innsbruck
2017-06-14T16:18:18 < englishman> they had a booth at embeddedworld??
2017-06-14T16:19:02 < Lux> wasn't that electronica ?
2017-06-14T16:19:09 < Lux> but could be embeddedworld too
2017-06-14T16:19:14 < englishman> https://www.embedded-world.de/en/ausstellerprodukte/embwld17/exhibitor-27987457/controllino-conelcom-gmbh
2017-06-14T16:19:32 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/JeJxE
2017-06-14T16:19:58 < Lux> yeah makes sense
2017-06-14T16:20:06 < Lux> englishman: how did you find that stuff ?
2017-06-14T16:20:15 < englishman> google? :)
2017-06-14T16:20:35 < Lux> k :)
2017-06-14T16:20:57 < Lux> from what i've seen it's pretty solid hardware wise
2017-06-14T16:25:27 < sync> siemens simatic s7 all the way.
2017-06-14T16:25:52 < fest> +1
2017-06-14T16:26:01 < fest> s7-1200, to be exact
2017-06-14T16:26:13 < karlp> but the "programming" environmetns of those is fucking ohorrific
2017-06-14T16:26:24 < karlp> (like all the "plcs" though to be fair)
2017-06-14T16:26:28 < sync> of the simatic? it is actually ok
2017-06-14T16:26:46 < sync> once you get used to the st/fbd aids it is ok
2017-06-14T16:26:58 < sync> at least it is all the same with all the plcs
2017-06-14T16:27:12 < karlp> well yeah, "it's shit, but it is the same shit we're all eating"
2017-06-14T16:27:23 < karlp> there's a simatic with an arduino in it now too ;)
2017-06-14T16:27:37 < karlp> simatic iot2020
2017-06-14T16:27:42 < BrainDamage> I can't wait until the next gen smartphone will be arduino based
2017-06-14T16:27:45 < englishman> yeah, nsa managed to make excellent plc programs without ever having an in situ test environment, id say develop environment is quite sufficient
2017-06-14T16:28:09 < karlp> nsa has a fairly unlimited budget for it though
2017-06-14T16:28:47 < englishman> as does im sure anybody considering controllino
2017-06-14T16:29:08 < qyx> *trollino
2017-06-14T16:30:07 < sync> idk, in my experience s7 just works
2017-06-14T16:30:10 < sync> wago is also ok
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2017-06-14T16:30:40 < sync> the japanese seem to do fine with mitsubishi, but I could not get the software to work
2017-06-14T16:31:34 < karlp> we found the wago's to be stupidly expensive complicated shit too, but hey, welcome to control.
2017-06-14T16:32:17 < sync> yeah they are expensive
2017-06-14T16:32:30 < sync> also they use an asic to communicate with the io blocks
2017-06-14T16:34:31 < fest> is there a proper integration between wago plc and hmi's now?
2017-06-14T16:35:50 < fest> in simatic land hmi<>plc just works, in wago the dicking around with modbus reads was quite bad the last (and hopefully the only) time I tried
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2017-06-14T16:37:46 < alt12x12> hello, i have an stm32 nucleo f072rb; it's gpio output voltage is 1.7v high, how to increase that to 3.3v ?
2017-06-14T16:39:30 < englishman> how much current are you trying to draw from it?
2017-06-14T16:39:31 < Thorn> what is your Vdd?
2017-06-14T16:41:07 < alt12x12> Thorn: how to check?
2017-06-14T16:41:17 < alt12x12> (i'm powering it with USB from my PC)
2017-06-14T16:41:23 < alt12x12> englishman: yes; i guess. it
2017-06-14T16:41:37 < alt12x12> s/ it is connected to an ulm2003
2017-06-14T16:41:47 < alt12x12> (i'm trying to drive a stepper motor)
2017-06-14T16:42:06 < Thorn> same way you used to obtain the 1.7V measurement I guess
2017-06-14T16:42:44 < alt12x12> Thorn: which pin do i have to probe?
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2017-06-14T16:43:28 < Thorn> any one connected to the Vdd net (check the schematics)
2017-06-14T16:43:32 < alt12x12> ( i used a multimeter with one wire to ground and another wire to gpio out , what do i have to do to obtain vdd)
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2017-06-14T16:49:21 < alt12x12> Thorn: 3.45v
2017-06-14T16:49:31 < alt12x12> https://developer.mbed.org/media/uploads/bcostm/nucleo_f072rb_morpho_left_2016_11_2.png
2017-06-14T16:49:35 < alt12x12> i used vdd from here
2017-06-14T16:51:11 < Thorn> so your gpio is at 1/2 Vdd. either you're PWMing it and measuring the RMS value or you're drawing way too much current from it
2017-06-14T16:53:28 < alt12x12> i removed all load, still at 1.76v
2017-06-14T16:53:31 < alt12x12> so i gues
2017-06-14T16:53:42 < alt12x12> guess it ain't a current issue
2017-06-14T16:53:57 < Thorn> what kind of signal are you outputting?
2017-06-14T16:54:43 < alt12x12> hmm maybe that's an issue with my multimeter. the pulse is a sequence of on/off
2017-06-14T16:54:56 < alt12x12> lemme check with driving one pin high continuously
2017-06-14T16:55:06 < alt12x12> s/pulse/signal
2017-06-14T16:55:29 < jadew> :)
2017-06-14T16:55:37 < Thorn> it's not an issue, it's a feature (true rms) lol
2017-06-14T16:56:23 < alt12x12> :P
2017-06-14T16:57:01 < alt12x12> it was at 3.3v all this time
2017-06-14T16:58:02 < alt12x12> sorry for bothering Thorn and englishman
2017-06-14T17:05:01 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/mAKS3do.png
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2017-06-14T17:27:47 < englishman> no worries alt12x12 we sometimes have to deal with on topic questions, ask anytime
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2017-06-14T17:48:52 < Laurenceb__> the horror
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2017-06-14T18:19:22 < Rob235> https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/12/nasa-colorful-clouds-east-coast/
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2017-06-14T19:12:52 < szwetsloot> Hey guys, would this be the right location to ask about the ATSAM4N16C from Atmel?
2017-06-14T19:14:00 < PaulFertser> Try it
2017-06-14T19:16:12 < szwetsloot> I made a custom board using the ATSAM4N16C and am trying to program it using atmel ice programmer. However, I keep getting failed to launch program when trying to attach to my board.
2017-06-14T19:16:44 < szwetsloot> I assume this means that one of the connections is wrong. Now I was wondering if you can tell me which connections I should use? When searcing on google I found several different ones.
2017-06-14T19:16:51 < szwetsloot> And apparently the one I chose is the wrong one
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2017-06-14T19:19:56 < szwetsloot> ?
2017-06-14T19:20:15 < karlp> what connection did you put on your board?
2017-06-14T19:20:22 < karlp> and what board did you copy it from?
2017-06-14T19:20:28 < karlp> and what connections did you use on that board?
2017-06-14T19:21:21 < szwetsloot> 10 pins. (VCC, GND, GND, NC, GND, SWDIO, SWDCLK, SWO, NC, NRESET)
2017-06-14T19:22:10 < karlp> so, the "modern" 2x5 1.27mm pitch cortex-m debug header?
2017-06-14T19:22:10 < szwetsloot> I did not copy it, I found this on google. The board where I worked with before is this one:
2017-06-14T19:22:11 < szwetsloot> http://www.atmel.com/tools/atsam4n-xpro.aspx
2017-06-14T19:22:25 < szwetsloot> I guess so
2017-06-14T19:22:34 < karlp> so you made your board have the same signals on the same pins right?
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2017-06-14T19:22:42 < szwetsloot> Yeah
2017-06-14T19:23:02 < szwetsloot> Let me get you the picture
2017-06-14T19:23:07 < karlp> so.... what exactly is saying "failed to launch program" ?
2017-06-14T19:23:47 < szwetsloot> https://ibb.co/k9FUJQ
2017-06-14T19:23:52 < szwetsloot> Atmel studio 7
2017-06-14T19:24:10 < szwetsloot> Going from debug => attach to target
2017-06-14T19:24:19 < szwetsloot> Selecting atmel ICE and interface JTAG
2017-06-14T19:24:26 < szwetsloot> And then selecting attach to target again
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2017-06-14T19:25:13 < szwetsloot> http://tinypic.com/r/2zs733c/9
2017-06-14T19:25:14 < szwetsloot> That error
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2017-06-14T19:28:16 < szwetsloot> karlp: Are you familiar with that one?
2017-06-14T19:28:22 < phr3ak> haha
2017-06-14T19:28:24 < phr3ak> yes he is
2017-06-14T19:28:48 < szwetsloot> How can I fix it??
2017-06-14T19:29:26 < phr3ak> I'm mean with the jtag
2017-06-14T19:29:48 < szwetsloot> Ah okay
2017-06-14T19:29:57 < phr3ak> anyways I think it wants to run an external program and you need to set the path
2017-06-14T19:30:07 < phr3ak> check the options/settings menu
2017-06-14T19:31:03 < szwetsloot> I get this one: No device detected. Error 4109  Unable to enter programming mode. Verify device selection, interface settings, target power, security bit, and connections to the target device
2017-06-14T19:31:14 < szwetsloot> So probably wrong connections to the chip right?
2017-06-14T19:31:26 < karlp> probaly busted of bad perms to the usb ice IMO
2017-06-14T19:31:37 < karlp> talk to your atmel FAE for support with their tools
2017-06-14T19:31:51 < karlp> um, are you actually meaning to use jtag? or swd?
2017-06-14T19:32:17 < szwetsloot> Sorry for this, but I don't know. First try trying to make something with this chip. I usually work with atmega328pb
2017-06-14T19:32:18 < karlp> the pin names you listed above are all SWD names.
2017-06-14T19:32:47 < karlp> sure, but you copied the debug econnection schematic section from that working xplained board right?
2017-06-14T19:32:53 < karlp> or did you just try and wire shit up willy nilly?
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2017-06-14T19:33:14 < szwetsloot> Pretty much the second option. The xplained board has a debug chip in between and so doesn't show the connections :|
2017-06-14T19:33:27 < szwetsloot> I have these connections:
2017-06-14T19:33:47  * karlp coughs
2017-06-14T19:34:00 < szwetsloot> ?
2017-06-14T19:34:16 < karlp> if you only wired up SWD, make sure you select SWD not jtag.
2017-06-14T19:34:28 < karlp> and double check that you wired it up properly.
2017-06-14T19:34:31 < szwetsloot> I tried that as well, same result
2017-06-14T19:34:57 < karlp> I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that bullshit, there'll be the schematic for the xplained board, with the debug connector wiring done properly.
2017-06-14T19:35:38 < szwetsloot> Ehhm... I have the schematic somewhere
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2017-06-14T19:37:09 < szwetsloot> https://github.com/nongxiaoming/SAM4N/find/master
2017-06-14T19:37:16 < karlp> I don't know man, I'd _really_ check that you laid out yoru board the way you think you did, and that you have the signals for either swd or jtag going to the pins you think you do, and use the appropriate setting in studio.
2017-06-14T19:37:27 < karlp> is that _your_ board?
2017-06-14T19:37:39 < crt> The pricks
2017-06-14T19:37:43 < szwetsloot> See the PDF page 4
2017-06-14T19:37:48 < szwetsloot> And no, that's the xplained board
2017-06-14T19:37:58 < karlp> it's in the file zip on the atmel site,
2017-06-14T19:38:05 < karlp> why would you go looking in some random china github repo?
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2017-06-14T19:38:24 < szwetsloot> I actually had  it on my computer and just pasted the name in google
2017-06-14T19:38:25 < karlp> but does _your_ board do the same thing?
2017-06-14T19:39:06 < szwetsloot> No, this one routes all lines from the USB through a debugger chip and then to the ATSAM4N16C chip.
2017-06-14T19:39:23 < szwetsloot> There are no direct programming connections to the chip on this one
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2017-06-14T19:42:08 < szwetsloot> Ehm... Seems I might be missing the erase pin (87, PB12). Is that one required to read info from the chip?
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2017-06-14T19:45:20 < szwetsloot> According to this page my connection are correct:
2017-06-14T19:45:21 < szwetsloot> http://www.atmel.com/webdoc/atmelice/atmelice.using_ocd_physical_swd.html#atmelice.swd_header_pinout
2017-06-14T19:49:14 < karlp> well a) double check and b) triple check and c) make sure your ice actually works.
2017-06-14T19:54:20 < szwetsloot> All connections seems to be okay. How can I check my ICE?
2017-06-14T19:54:29 < szwetsloot> The correct LED's on the ICE do turn on
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2017-06-14T19:57:27 < szwetsloot> Reading target voltage works correctly.
2017-06-14T19:58:21 < PaulFertser> szwetsloot: can you try using serial bootloader instead? Just to make sure your target chip works at all.
2017-06-14T19:58:38 < szwetsloot> PaulFertser: How does that work?
2017-06-14T19:58:39 < PaulFertser> szwetsloot: sometimes people forget to wire AVDD or other essential pins for operation.
2017-06-14T19:59:06 < PaulFertser> szwetsloot: usually some pin is pulled low or high and you can access uart bootloader on predefined pins.
2017-06-14T19:59:16 < PaulFertser> Check the reference manual.
2017-06-14T19:59:46 < szwetsloot> What should I search for? The reference does not contain bootloader
2017-06-14T20:00:21 < PaulFertser> It even got USB bootloader, heh
2017-06-14T20:02:09 < szwetsloot> The test pin is low as it should be
2017-06-14T20:02:15 < PaulFertser> szwetsloot: datasheet says that a blank chip always boots to ROM bootloader.
2017-06-14T20:02:25 < PaulFertser> So you should be able to access this "samba" via uart0.
2017-06-14T20:03:04 < szwetsloot> You have this file right? Atmel-11158-32-bit Cortex-M4-Microcontroller-SAM4N16-SAM4N8_Datasheet
2017-06-14T20:03:27 < szwetsloot> Ah, found it
2017-06-14T20:03:28 < PaulFertser> 7.2.4 boot strategies
2017-06-14T20:03:28 < szwetsloot> Thanks!
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2017-06-14T20:06:15 < szwetsloot> Heh, I don't have a connection on UART0 - RX. I'm gonna try to solder directly on te chip
2017-06-14T20:06:42 < PaulFertser> Designing a board without UART? Fancy ;)
2017-06-14T20:07:05 < szwetsloot> I use 1x SPI and 2x I2C for communication
2017-06-14T20:08:05 < szwetsloot> Oh crap... I have to go home. Thanks for the info! I am going to try this tomorr!
2017-06-14T20:08:39 < PaulFertser> good luck
2017-06-14T20:08:53 < PaulFertser> You should have choosen stm32
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2017-06-14T20:13:50 < Laurenceb__> http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US3216423
2017-06-14T20:15:32 < crt> Hi
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2017-06-14T20:18:42 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-r5aLe19dQ&feature=related
2017-06-14T20:19:48 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KaCVL6yq/23114DBD-C59E-4CF5-BE44-4B859A8C34CD-2856-000002F1DA668A76.JPG
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2017-06-14T20:20:04 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2017-06-14T20:20:20 < Laurenceb__> dat backdrop
2017-06-14T20:20:20 < Rob235> that is one happy man
2017-06-14T20:20:47 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/869TOBvp/F2BF6DC4-63FA-46B2-8805-C5D3EFBE11E1-3381-0000038F1A0C3CF2.JPG
2017-06-14T20:20:56 < Laurenceb__> Rob235: http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/TimelineGenerator/bin/img/1425410844780/dazed-and-plane_1630938i.jpg
2017-06-14T20:21:06 < Rob235> not anymore
2017-06-14T20:21:28 < Laurenceb__> at first I was like... then I was like
2017-06-14T20:21:54 < crt> Lol
2017-06-14T20:23:02 < Rob235> bahh so much to do and I dont want to do any of it
2017-06-14T20:27:32 < crt> Hop in my plane
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2017-06-14T20:59:15 < englishman> ARROW strikes again
2017-06-14T20:59:30 < englishman> buying this part from digikey instead at a higher price because the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing at ARROW
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2017-06-14T21:27:00 < Steffanx> aeroplaning again crt?!
2017-06-14T21:33:57 < Laurenceb__> how does fire melt steel beams and make WTC building 7 collapses in a couple of hours, but the Grenfell Tower burns for 18 hours and still stands?
2017-06-14T21:34:32 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb's memes can't melt steel beams
2017-06-14T21:36:08 < gxti> literally the same situation
2017-06-14T21:39:19 < Steffanx> Didnt you see those aeroplans crash into the Grenfell Tower?
2017-06-14T21:39:33 < Steffanx> You must have been watching a censored CNN
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2017-06-14T21:47:42 < BrainDamage> the best one I've read was a guy "disproving" it using cast iron stoves as counterexample, with a fantastic reply that if an airplane flew in it the stove would be pretty fucked as well
2017-06-14T21:50:51 < Steffanx> "best" -_-
2017-06-14T21:54:23 < englishman> canada banned blocks of aluminum today
2017-06-14T21:54:35 < Laurenceb__> wut
2017-06-14T21:54:49 < englishman> prohibited device
2017-06-14T21:56:05 < englishman> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0278/2953/files/Notice___Receiver_Blanks.pdf
2017-06-14T21:56:28 < englishman> so any chunk of metal you could mill into a firearm, prohibited
2017-06-14T21:57:33 < Steffanx> lolwut?
2017-06-14T22:00:06 < Steffanx> but you can make a canon out of a tree, will beavers be banned for cutting down trees?
2017-06-14T22:00:31 < BrainDamage> the doc explicitly said that those restricted are receiver blanks that fit a list of guns
2017-06-14T22:00:56 < BrainDamage> so you need to pre-mill your al block a while before it becomes illegal
2017-06-14T22:00:59 < englishman> sure, but they are still unusable chunks of metal
2017-06-14T22:01:12 < englishman> when does an unusable chunk of metal become a crime?
2017-06-14T22:01:36 < BrainDamage> when the arbitrary law says so
2017-06-14T22:01:48 < englishman> well thats also an issue
2017-06-14T22:01:58 < englishman> this isnt law, its an opinion from the enforcement body
2017-06-14T22:02:13 < englishman> but to challenge this opinion, you need to have criminal charges against you
2017-06-14T22:02:14 < englishman> so...
2017-06-14T22:02:19 < BrainDamage> ok, that's more concerning
2017-06-14T22:07:14 < englishman> it is
2017-06-14T22:07:36 < englishman> i believe this is the 6th time in 4 years the horsey police have taken legal things and made them illegal
2017-06-14T22:07:45 < Laurenceb__> thats nothing
2017-06-14T22:07:57 < Laurenceb__> in uk "rocket launching apparatus" is illegal
2017-06-14T22:08:01 < Laurenceb__> whatever that means
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2017-06-14T22:10:52 < Laurenceb__> I could ask but I don't want to go to jail
2017-06-14T22:10:57 < crt> My cock
2017-06-14T22:11:23 < crt> Cats next cause ala snackbar
2017-06-14T22:11:29 < crt> Cars
2017-06-14T22:11:43 < crt> Stupid iPhone
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2017-06-14T22:12:37 < Laurenceb__> typical crt commentry
2017-06-14T22:12:46 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-14T22:13:15 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5izBBhRw/IMG_0304.JPG
2017-06-14T22:13:40 < englishman> did you have a bunch of broken crap waiting for you on arrival
2017-06-14T22:13:46 < crt> Yes
2017-06-14T22:13:50 < crt> It's insane
2017-06-14T22:14:07 < englishman> $$$-_-$$$
2017-06-14T22:14:11 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-14T22:14:24 < crt> Stuff to do that's for sure
2017-06-14T22:14:55 < crt> SteffanWafel
2017-06-14T22:15:15 < crt> Spend my earnings on stroopwafels
2017-06-14T22:15:22 < crt> Get customers hooked
2017-06-14T22:15:37 < englishman> how much weight did you gain in UK
2017-06-14T22:15:44 < crt> None
2017-06-14T22:16:07 < englishman> why
2017-06-14T22:16:12 < crt> Idk
2017-06-14T22:16:24 < crt> The fat disease
2017-06-14T22:16:28 < englishman> liquids only
2017-06-14T22:20:58 < crt> Yeah
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2017-06-14T22:28:01 < crt> Stroopwafel
2017-06-14T22:30:08 < crt> Tectu
2017-06-14T22:30:20 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bnz7mTzS/IMG_0328.PNG
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2017-06-14T22:39:48 < Steffanx> Didnt windmill ones suck crt?
2017-06-14T22:39:48 < Steffanx> Get get Kanjers
2017-06-14T22:39:56 < Steffanx> *better get
2017-06-14T22:40:19 < crt> Windmill are the best available here
2017-06-14T22:40:36 < crt> Kanjers are better
2017-06-14T22:41:23 < Steffanx> Soon 1.6KG will be on an aeroplane to aussieland
2017-06-14T22:42:16 < Steffanx> Why are you still in UK time zone mode?
2017-06-14T22:42:23 < crt> Idk
2017-06-14T22:42:31 < crt> Terminal autism maybe
2017-06-14T22:42:34 < sync> exporting the diabetes
2017-06-14T22:42:52 < crt> Welcome
2017-06-14T22:42:59 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome!
2017-06-14T22:43:07 < crt> Hahahahahaha
2017-06-14T22:43:37 < Steffanx> You can get diabetes more easily sync
2017-06-14T22:44:59 < sync> but that's not as dutch as stroopwaffels
2017-06-14T22:45:02 < sync> or vla
2017-06-14T22:45:55 < Steffanx> True.
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2017-06-14T22:47:24 < BrainDamage> is diabetes dutch?
2017-06-14T22:47:53 < sync> speaking of which, I need to get some vla
2017-06-14T22:48:02 < Steffanx> Dubbel Vla sync?
2017-06-14T22:48:07 < Steffanx> Vla flip?
2017-06-14T22:48:30 < sync> I had some dubbel vla on monday
2017-06-14T22:48:48 < Steffanx>  Hah
2017-06-14T22:49:04 < crt> www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch%20oven&amp=true&defid=100100
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2017-06-14T23:19:18 < hetii_> Hi :)
2017-06-14T23:19:44 < hetii_> What is the maximum frequrency that I can capture by stm32f0 ?
2017-06-14T23:19:58 < hetii_> And how accurate it can be?
2017-06-14T23:21:11 < karlp> you may wish to rephrase those two questions
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2017-06-14T23:21:47 < Thorn> frequency * accuracy = const (timer clock freq)
2017-06-14T23:22:10 < Thorn> if I understood correctly what you're asking
2017-06-14T23:22:59 < hetii_> General I need to have some frequency meter, so I decide to build one based on stm32f030 and wonder about capabilites of such device.
2017-06-14T23:26:29 < Lux> hetii_: in general it'll be something like <clock/2
2017-06-14T23:26:54 < Lux> just look up in the DS how high you can clock the timers with an external clock and that'll be it
2017-06-14T23:29:52 < hetii_> I see, ok wonder what else is possible. Probably would be nice if I could capture amplitude and duty cycle.
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2017-06-14T23:48:26 < kakimir> don't worry - secks instructor is here!
2017-06-14T23:48:31 < kakimir> hello pumps
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2017-06-14T23:54:18 < uniqdom> I'm trying to read some data over the UART of a STM32F051 but it's not working. I'm using a HAL generate by STM32CUBEMX. HAL_UART_Receive() is returning a different HAL_STATUS than HAL_OK. Transmission is working properly, the problem is just with the reception.
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2017-06-15T00:39:12 < tpw_rules> uniqdom: sorry i can't be more precise, but i had some issues with that and it was because the receive buffer was filling up and breaking everything
2017-06-15T00:40:32 < uniqdom> tpw_rules my buffer has a length of 100 chars, but I can't even receive 1 char.
2017-06-15T00:40:48 < tpw_rules> was the micro receiving characters before you called uart_receive?
2017-06-15T00:41:01 < tpw_rules> the chip has like a 16 byte buffer that can fill up. there's some bit in the uart register that empties and resets it
2017-06-15T00:41:45 < uniqdom> I have never been able to receive data from its uart.
2017-06-15T00:42:00 < uniqdom> I'm using this. HAL_UART_Receive(&huart1, cmdRecv, 100,1000)
2017-06-15T00:42:24 < uniqdom> maybe I should clean the code and upload it to pastebin
2017-06-15T00:42:50 < tpw_rules> no i mean
2017-06-15T00:42:56 < tpw_rules> like you have something attached to it right?
2017-06-15T00:43:11 < tpw_rules> that's sending the data. is it sending data and filling up the buffer before you get around to receiving it?
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2017-06-15T00:46:53 < uniqdom> I have an FTDI attached to my computer.
2017-06-15T00:47:29 < uniqdom> so it is not filled until I start to type from the keyboard in a terminal.
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2017-06-15T00:49:25 < uniqdom> https://pastebin.com/TuAt6BZi
2017-06-15T00:49:51 < uniqdom> tpw_rules: I have uploaded the code
2017-06-15T00:50:29 < uniqdom> my code starts in line 140
2017-06-15T00:51:11 < uniqdom> I have also added some code in line 75 and below, to enable printf to print over the uart
2017-06-15T00:55:30 < englishman> OH WOW DELAYS DUE TO ARROW
2017-06-15T00:55:43 < englishman> j f c
2017-06-15T00:57:44 < uniqdom> ?
2017-06-15T01:01:00 < englishman> i don't get it, is your code supposed to receive 100 chars?
2017-06-15T01:01:09 < englishman> why not try to receive 1 at a time first?
2017-06-15T01:01:28 < englishman> do you send it 100 chars at a time?
2017-06-15T01:02:41 < uniqdom> no, but it has a timeout of 1000, shouldn't it fill the buffer with the chars that have arrived in that time?
2017-06-15T01:02:55 < englishman> in 1000ms? entering with a keyboard you said?
2017-06-15T01:03:15 < uniqdom> I expect to receive just a few chars with the keyboard
2017-06-15T01:03:19 < englishman> pretty sure no
2017-06-15T01:03:25 < englishman> it'll wait for either 100 chars, or timeout
2017-06-15T01:03:36 < uniqdom> ok my bad.
2017-06-15T01:03:42 < uniqdom> I will try with 1 char
2017-06-15T01:04:18 < englishman>  /* as long as data have to be received */
2017-06-15T01:04:18 < englishman> 00617     while(husart->RxXferCount > 0U)
2017-06-15T01:04:20 < englishman> yea
2017-06-15T01:04:52 < englishman> stm32blah_hal_usart.c btw
2017-06-15T01:05:31 < englishman> and i'm whining about arrow.com distributor because they are constantly fucking slow
2017-06-15T01:06:14 < uniqdom> oh ok
2017-06-15T01:06:33 < uniqdom> Now i'm trying with HAL_UART_Receive(&huart1, cmdRecv, 3,10000)
2017-06-15T01:06:42 < uniqdom> so 3 chars, in 10 seconds timeout
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2017-06-15T01:07:13 < uniqdom> but it is not returning HAL_OK, so it doesn't go to the line of the printf
2017-06-15T01:07:31 < englishman> what does it return
2017-06-15T01:07:37 < englishman> does it actually hang there 10 seconds?
2017-06-15T01:11:52 < uniqdom> yes, it is there for 10 seconds... let me check what it is returning... last time I tried to check it, i get a very big number as HAL_STATUS (it should be a low number, less than 4, if I recall from the documentation.
2017-06-15T01:14:29 < englishman> oh
2017-06-15T01:14:34 < englishman> if ((status = HAL_UART_Receive(&huart1, cmdRecv, 100,1000)) == HAL_OK)
2017-06-15T01:14:39 < englishman> that's not right
2017-06-15T01:14:57 < englishman> or doesnt seem right
2017-06-15T01:15:22 < englishman> first status isnt declared anywhere
2017-06-15T01:15:35 < englishman> second arent you comparing an assignment result to a constant
2017-06-15T01:15:55 < uniqdom> ok, HAL_UART_Receive() is returning HAL_TIMEOUT
2017-06-15T01:16:43 < uniqdom> Sorry, didn't remove that status bar, I have done a clean of the code in order to upload it to pastebin... I missed it, my bad.
2017-06-15T01:17:07 < englishman> i dont see what pins are assigned to uart either
2017-06-15T01:18:00 < uniqdom> PA10 is for UART1_RX and PA9 for UART1_TX
2017-06-15T01:18:51 < uniqdom> englishman, should they be enabled in MX_GPIO_Init()?
2017-06-15T01:19:15 < uniqdom> I thought that STM32CubeMX will handle that
2017-06-15T01:20:11 < englishman> hm no thats in a different function nvm
2017-06-15T01:20:18 < englishman> hal_usart_mspinit iirc
2017-06-15T01:20:56 < englishman> ftdi is actually transmitting at 9600baud? and you have tx/rx connected correctly?
2017-06-15T01:21:18 < uniqdom> yep... rx to tx and tx to rx
2017-06-15T01:21:22 < englishman> void HAL_UART_MspInit(UART_HandleTypeDef* huart)
2017-06-15T01:21:28 < uniqdom> 9600 8n1 in both sides
2017-06-15T01:21:51 < uniqdom> I don't have that function
2017-06-15T01:22:04 < englishman> it'll be somewhere
2017-06-15T01:22:13 < englishman> stm32blah_hal_msp.c
2017-06-15T01:22:14 < englishman> i think
2017-06-15T01:22:47 < uniqdom> It is here: Drivers/STM32F0xx_HAL_Driver/Src/stm32f0xx_hal_uart.c:__weak void HAL_UART_MspInit(UART_HandleTypeDef *huart)
2017-06-15T01:22:54 < uniqdom> __weak
2017-06-15T01:22:58 < jadew> http://imgur.com/gallery/y8G9HAe
2017-06-15T01:23:04 < uniqdom> I haven't implemented that.
2017-06-15T01:23:06 < uniqdom> should I?
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2017-06-15T01:25:39 < englishman> no, it should be elsewhere and auto-generated
2017-06-15T01:26:28 < uniqdom> you were right: Src/stm32f0xx_hal_msp.c:void HAL_UART_MspInit(UART_HandleTypeDef* huart)
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2017-06-15T01:28:08 < uniqdom> code here: https://pastebin.com/hLbg6KqH
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2017-06-15T01:32:08 < uniqdom> damn, I have to leave...  I will be tomorrow here to get more help. thanks for your time.
2017-06-15T02:13:27 < upgrdman> why size steppers are common on shit 3d printers? nema what?
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2017-06-15T04:54:38 < jadew> any ideas on how much it costs to make a custom plastic handle in low quantities?
2017-06-15T04:54:47 < dongs> 3D dick it
2017-06-15T04:55:04 < jadew> think the quality will be good enough for a finished product?
2017-06-15T04:56:08 < jadew> I mean, if it's going to have visible stripes on it, it's not a good solution
2017-06-15T04:56:24 < dongs> no, you can stick it into acetone bath or someshit and it becomes esmooth
2017-06-15T04:56:40 < jadew> interesting, I'll look into it, thanks
2017-06-15T04:56:48 < dongs> http://makezine.com/2014/09/24/smoothing-out-your-3d-prints-with-acetone-vapor/
2017-06-15T04:56:56 < dongs> acetone vapor or somethign
2017-06-15T04:56:59 < dongs> thats a relly awful example too
2017-06-15T04:57:06 < dongs> if the printer isn't shit, the smootehd model looks way better
2017-06-15T04:57:18 < jadew> I bet
2017-06-15T04:57:27 < jadew> even that seems acceptable
2017-06-15T04:57:33 < dongs> https://ultimaker.com/en/resources/17897-vapor-treating-how-to-smooth-pla-or-abs-prints
2017-06-15T04:58:15 < jadew> nice
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2017-06-15T04:59:48 < dongs> or you could just order the shit from shapeways and choose some printing process that doesnt make it look like ass
2017-06-15T05:00:00 < dongs> of course that'll probly cost more than negroing your own acetone vapor shit
2017-06-15T05:01:11 < jadew> yeah, I'll have to look into it, I'm not keen on having jars of acetone around
2017-06-15T05:06:09 < dongs> try chloroform instead
2017-06-15T05:06:19 < dongs> as a bonus you can use it on your wife when shes misbehaving
2017-06-15T05:07:39 < jadew> or when I want a quiet evening
2017-06-15T05:15:57 < dongs> englishman: beep
2017-06-15T05:16:28 < dongs> there's SX1276 for 915m, rfm95 is 433. sx is 16x16x2mm
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2017-06-15T05:19:56 < dongs> shitpost links incoming
2017-06-15T05:32:04 < upgrdman> anyone know if fanning out a 324 ball (18x18) 0.8mm BGA is doable on a 4-layer board?
2017-06-15T05:32:24 < upgrdman> suspect 6 would be needed, or 8 to make it easy
2017-06-15T05:32:27 < dongs> does it have any rings or is it all balls
2017-06-15T05:32:32 < upgrdman> all balls
2017-06-15T05:32:38 < dongs> half is probly vcc/gnd, no?
2017-06-15T05:32:40 < upgrdman> but a lot of the center ones are GND
2017-06-15T05:32:41 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-15T05:33:24 < dongs> https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/user_guides/ug1099-bga-device-design-rules.pdf
2017-06-15T05:33:31 < dongs> page 30
2017-06-15T05:33:34 < dongs> rules look reasonable
2017-06-15T05:33:38 < dongs> 10/19 vias
2017-06-15T05:34:12 < dongs>  you can do 2 traces between 0.8mm at 3mil/trace/space
2017-06-15T05:34:27 < upgrdman> 3mil trace? damn
2017-06-15T05:34:33 < dongs> what, thats standard chinaspec
2017-06-15T05:34:44 < upgrdman> isnt 6/6 cn spec
2017-06-15T05:34:50 < dongs> not since its 2017
2017-06-15T05:34:54 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-15T05:40:05 < upgrdman> dongs, should every VDD/GND have its own via to plane, or can you do like 1 via per 4 or something like that?
2017-06-15T05:40:55 < dongs> yeah no
2017-06-15T05:41:01 < dongs> just pour them and stick some vias in random places
2017-06-15T05:41:07 < upgrdman> good
2017-06-15T05:42:02 < upgrdman> balls in pours should be thermal'd, right?
2017-06-15T05:45:22 < dongs> huh no
2017-06-15T05:45:31 < dongs> none of the balls should be in thermnals
2017-06-15T05:47:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6Awnm2o.png certianly not best practice but this was 0.8mm on 2L
2017-06-15T05:47:31 < dongs> with 2 different power rails
2017-06-15T05:48:28 < dongs> anyway, theres no way to have space for thermals for balls
2017-06-15T06:13:42 < dongs> something like lidar, but cheap, go
2017-06-15T06:26:47 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/x7c4g6a9fm3z.png
2017-06-15T06:35:01 < dongs> not touchbar macbook
2017-06-15T06:35:05 < dongs> instantly disqualified
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2017-06-15T07:25:29 < dongs> HINDSITE is a wearable, cloud based, visual intelligence management platform, purpose built for enterprise data, evidentiary industrial media and observational learning.
2017-06-15T07:25:38 < dongs> someone have any fucking clue what that actually is
2017-06-15T07:25:43 < dongs> from that description
2017-06-15T07:28:13 < englishman> a scam
2017-06-15T07:28:17 < dongs> haha
2017-06-15T07:28:25 < dongs> http://www.hindsiteind.com/
2017-06-15T07:28:32 < dongs> anyway my pal is trying to get recruited by them
2017-06-15T07:28:45 < dongs> but they're asking for some qualifications that don't seem to be related to wahtever shit they're doing
2017-06-15T07:28:59 < englishman> does he get cash up front
2017-06-15T07:30:34 < dongs> apaprently its some kinda video glasses with realtime a/v streaming to homebase
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2017-06-15T07:42:07 < upgrdman> with an stm32f4 that has ethernet, what kind of bandwidth is realistic if the mcu is just pooping data out, not doing much processing. 20Mbps? 40?
2017-06-15T07:45:32 < jpa-> i would expect stm32f4 to be able to max out the 100Mbps interface (so because of the ethernet overhead, 10 megabytes per second or so)
2017-06-15T07:47:42 < upgrdman> ok good
2017-06-15T07:48:10 < Thorn> depends on what size frames you're going to send I guess
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2017-06-15T07:51:47 < upgrdman> any f4 discos with ethernet?
2017-06-15T07:51:50 < dongs> yes
2017-06-15T07:51:56 < dongs> F429ZInucleo
2017-06-15T07:52:11 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/nucleo-f429zi.html
2017-06-15T07:53:01 < upgrdman> what separates discos from nucleos?
2017-06-15T07:53:05 < dongs> nothing
2017-06-15T07:53:07 < upgrdman> other than gay white soldermask
2017-06-15T07:53:08 < upgrdman> ok
2017-06-15T07:53:08 < dongs> mbed-faggotry
2017-06-15T07:53:09 < dongs> i think
2017-06-15T07:53:30 < dongs> the stdink v2 on tehm has a usb-storage mode where you drag and drop a .bin from mbed cloud faggot ide
2017-06-15T07:53:35 < dongs> otherwise i think its same shit
2017-06-15T07:55:31 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-15T08:03:35 < upgrdman> hmm theres also a f466 version of that board.
2017-06-15T08:04:31 < jpa-> some new discoverys have v2.1 stlink also
2017-06-15T08:04:44 < jpa-> stm32f7 discovery atleast.. though it also has the arduino headers
2017-06-15T08:13:07 < Thorn> iirc I have a rev A discovery (429 maybe) and the latest manual for it says that mbed support was added in rev B or something like that
2017-06-15T08:14:29 < dongs> 466 looks boring
2017-06-15T08:14:32 < dongs> and probably not available
2017-06-15T08:14:33 < Thorn> (they replaced the stm32 with a bigger one in the st-link)
2017-06-15T08:14:36 < dongs> 429 is a nice cheap part
2017-06-15T08:14:40 < dongs> Thorn: really?
2017-06-15T08:14:42 < dongs> you mean CB instad of C8?
2017-06-15T08:15:04 < upgrdman> with the stm32f4 periphs, are they all the same but some chips have more periphs? e.g. if an f4 has ethernet, will that be the same ethernet periph on every f4?
2017-06-15T08:15:41 < upgrdman> or do the access/foundation/advanced lines have diff periphs
2017-06-15T08:15:45 < Thorn> the ethernet peripheral is the same starting with f107 afaik
2017-06-15T08:15:51 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-15T08:16:30 < jpa-> the clock config for the peripherals varies a bit, though (which can matter if you need a specific clock for e.g. usb and ethernet both)
2017-06-15T08:16:53 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-15T08:17:35 < Thorn> dongs: yes, and they call the new one STM32F429I-DISC1 lol
2017-06-15T08:17:45 < dongs> http://ubidestates.hibid.com/catalog/103245/radioshack-auction--1/?
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2017-06-15T08:53:23 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-15T08:53:32 < ohsix> lol real life
2017-06-15T08:53:45 < ohsix> had a nice night
2017-06-15T08:54:13 < ohsix> went to this brewery & restaurant (there are tons here)
2017-06-15T08:54:31 < ohsix> and the host had a waxed moustache and tinted hair and all the hipster trimmings
2017-06-15T08:54:48 < ohsix> was judging so hard at how cliche/shitty the place was
2017-06-15T08:55:24 < ohsix> but that guy was fucking ossum and he knew about the haxor group meeting we were at from a shirt my pal had made, and they were playing shit out of my own music collection on the overhead
2017-06-15T08:55:38 < ohsix> it was weird that i knew the names of all the songs, highly weird
2017-06-15T08:55:42 < ohsix> i'm a hipster without the budget
2017-06-15T08:56:24 < ohsix> the format for the meatup was different this time & the crowd was smaller, it was nice
2017-06-15T09:00:29 < ohsix> we weren't even supposed to go to that place but it ended up being awesome
2017-06-15T09:00:59 < dongs> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-canadacreep-arrest-made-charges-pending-1.4160817 RIP englishman
2017-06-15T09:02:15 < ohsix> rolling in and keeping a place open is fun too
2017-06-15T09:02:45 < ohsix> i think we only kept em open like 40 minutes, but the last place we went to, it was like 3 hours
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2017-06-15T09:03:20 < ohsix> the 3 hour place was even clever about it, their kitchen closed at a specific, but earlier door time
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2017-06-15T09:32:22 < upgrdman> denmark ac outlets looks so happy  http://internationalconfig.com/prod_shot/77508X45.jpg
2017-06-15T09:38:05 < zyp> ya
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2017-06-15T11:35:06 < dongs> yes yes i was
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2017-06-15T11:40:16 < zyp> sup?
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2017-06-15T11:46:39 < ohsix> derp
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2017-06-15T12:30:50 < zyp> meanwhile in norway https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/heiste-opp-nazi-flagg-ved-barneskole-1.13560206
2017-06-15T12:35:13 < dongs> damn. right after i got mikrodik shit eurodk spams me with cheaper stuff from ubiquity
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2017-06-15T12:36:19 < zyp> haha
2017-06-15T12:36:41 < crt> Krap
2017-06-15T12:40:18 < dongs> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/base-stations/litebeam-ac-16dbi-120deg and https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/directional-c/litebeam-ac-gen2 x2
2017-06-15T12:40:30 < dongs> yea, $100 less
2017-06-15T12:40:57 < dongs> but its probly not 2x mimo shit
2017-06-15T12:41:14 < zyp> wat, should be
2017-06-15T12:41:56 < dongs> ah, it is
2017-06-15T12:41:57 < dongs> fuq
2017-06-15T12:42:00 < dongs> o well
2017-06-15T12:42:25 < crt> Don't be so hasty
2017-06-15T12:42:39 < zyp> I don't think there's much proper wifi shit that's made without mimo nowadays, except for super lowend stuff like the picostation
2017-06-15T12:45:11 < qyx> dongs: mikrotik >> ubnt
2017-06-15T12:45:50 < dongs> most likely
2017-06-15T12:45:53 < zyp> speaking of networks, I had a salesman from an ISP coming up to my door yesterday, stating that they are building out a new fiber network in my area
2017-06-15T12:46:35 < qyx> here they call "fiber" even that fttp shit
2017-06-15T12:46:38 < zyp> apparently my building already had the fiber put in when it was built, they just haven't lit up the other end yet
2017-06-15T12:46:49 < qyx> going over coax inside
2017-06-15T12:47:09 < zyp> ah, I have fiber now as well, some GPON shit
2017-06-15T12:48:03 < zyp> I peeked in the box in the wall when I moved in, there's two threads there, but only the one for my current ISP were terminated
2017-06-15T12:49:06 < qyx> meh gpon
2017-06-15T12:49:40 < zyp> so anyway, the other day I complained to my current ISP that ipv6 is still not available in my area, which is another reason I'm kinda fed up with them
2017-06-15T12:51:03 < zyp> the guy that came yesterday were talking about "you might appreciate some competition in this market", and I go "yeah, I've actually been missing a real alternative to my current ISP"
2017-06-15T12:51:50 < zyp> so I ended up signing up on the spot when he offered me 500/500 for the same price I now pay for 80/15
2017-06-15T12:52:21 < qyx> flat?
2017-06-15T12:52:23 < zyp> (even though 80/15 is plenty fast enough)
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2017-06-15T12:52:46 < Thorn> what is their uplink
2017-06-15T12:52:51 < zyp> well, yeah, data caps haven't really been a thing here for ten years
2017-06-15T12:54:18 < zyp> Thorn, idk, this is one of the big national providers, so I don't expect that to be a problem
2017-06-15T12:56:48 < dongs> http://www.speedtest.net/result/6374659322.png im ok with this
2017-06-15T12:57:52 < sync> :/
2017-06-15T12:58:14 < sync> it is going to take a few decades until we get those speeds in germoney
2017-06-15T12:59:44 < sync> people are pushing 100/50 like it is the best thing you can get
2017-06-15T12:59:57 < zyp> http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6379249581 <- here's my connection at work
2017-06-15T13:00:09 < zyp> which is same isp as the one offering 500/500
2017-06-15T13:01:38 < zyp> not sure how fast this connection is supposed to be, but I'm guessing 100/100
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2017-06-15T13:05:51 < zyp> anyway, I'm looking more forward to actually having working ipv6 at home again
2017-06-15T13:09:25 < dongs> any use for that shit in 2017
2017-06-15T13:11:58 < zyp> I keep wanting to set up dns for various shit at home, and having one addr to point it to that's valid both locally and externally is pretty fucking convenient
2017-06-15T13:12:23 < c10ud^> i remember everyone freaking out for ipv4 addresses being assigned completely, what happened then?
2017-06-15T13:12:36 < zyp> carrier grade NAT
2017-06-15T13:12:56 < c10ud^> oh
2017-06-15T13:12:59 < zyp> haven't happened here yet, but as far as I know it's pretty common in some regions
2017-06-15T13:13:11 < zyp> at least, that's the impression I get
2017-06-15T13:13:41 < c10ud^> well in Italy there's only one carrier that NATs by default (pre-ipv6 days tho)
2017-06-15T13:13:59 < c10ud^> but I don't know about mobile internet
2017-06-15T13:14:08 < zyp> I think phone carriers have been doing it forever
2017-06-15T13:14:10 < c10ud^> I guess that's the biggest chunck nowadays
2017-06-15T13:14:14 < zyp> hmm
2017-06-15T13:14:26 < zyp> actually, it seems like I don't have ipv6 on my phone now
2017-06-15T13:14:40 < zyp> switched providers half a year ago, old provider had ipv6 for years
2017-06-15T13:14:49 < c10ud^> v6 is pretty non-existant here
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2017-06-15T13:17:13 < zyp> v6 is starting to get pretty common here, usually it's supported but nobody realizes
2017-06-15T13:18:05 < zyp> having v6 support shouldn't be adverse unless something is misconfigured, so mostly you just notice when you need it and don't have it
2017-06-15T13:18:52 < karlp> aiui, it required a lot of replacement edge hardware at a lot of isps actually, so it only happened when that was upgraded for other reasons.
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2017-06-15T13:20:03 < zyp> my last ISP runs 6rd because they don't have support in all their edge hardware yet
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2017-06-15T13:28:33 < karlp> so, I've got an X2 capacitor, 0.68uF, as part of a rc mains supply, and after a couple of years, it's failed by the capacitance value dropping down.
2017-06-15T13:28:53 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QJ9xi9Zg/IMG_0333.JPG
2017-06-15T13:28:58 < crt> For dongs
2017-06-15T13:29:08 < karlp> I understand that X class capacitors are designed to fail open, and their self healing leads to this sort of thing, but shouldn't it only be failing from continued over voltage transients?
2017-06-15T13:29:35 < karlp> just plain sitting in operation shouldn't have failed, or should I assume that this location _did_ get a big string of repeated high voltage transients?
2017-06-15T13:29:54 < karlp> we've had it happen in a couple of places after ~2-3 years, and it's kinda a shitty failure.
2017-06-15T13:30:00 < crt> Maybe too many hi-pot tests
2017-06-15T13:30:33 < karlp> there's no way anyone was explicitly doing that at one of the locations, no idea on the other honestly,
2017-06-15T13:30:42 < karlp> but I don't imagine the end user was doing anything like that.
2017-06-15T13:31:16 < karlp> the worst of it is that the capacitance just starts to fade out one day, over a month or so.
2017-06-15T13:31:32 < karlp> so the supply this is part of starts to just hiccup and brown out.
2017-06-15T13:31:45 < karlp> with hours of good operation and hours of browning out shit
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2017-06-15T13:38:14 < crt> Krapp
2017-06-15T13:38:58 < crt> Hmm
2017-06-15T13:40:40 < sync> karlp: what make of cap?
2017-06-15T13:41:45 < karlp> kemet
2017-06-15T13:42:22 < karlp> one tick
2017-06-15T13:44:18 < karlp> kemet R46KN368000P0K
2017-06-15T13:47:21 < sync> hmm
2017-06-15T13:47:43 < sync> what is your line voltage there?
2017-06-15T13:47:44 < sync> 250V?
2017-06-15T13:48:34 < karlp> 240v nominal, but also a failure with 230 nominal
2017-06-15T13:49:21 < karlp> kemet has ones listed as "AC line EMI" which is the one that failed, they _also_ have a line of x2 caps specially named for "capacitive power supply capacitors" which this one _isn't_
2017-06-15T13:50:11 < sync> hmm
2017-06-15T13:50:17 < sync> maybe they are just shitty caps
2017-06-15T13:54:19 < karlp> hrm, fucking just found this in the "other" datasheet. ". Not for use
2017-06-15T13:54:20 < karlp> in “series with mains” type applications."
2017-06-15T13:54:41 < karlp> oh well, good, we'll just put it down to that.  newer devices have a different part anyway
2017-06-15T13:54:55 < zyp> heh
2017-06-15T13:55:04 < crt> The fucken dogs
2017-06-15T13:56:01 < sync> lul karlp
2017-06-15T13:56:07 < sync> what a pos cap
2017-06-15T13:56:58 < karlp> I wonder why not. they have whole range of these, and then a separate whole range of _also_ X/Y rated caps listed as being _for_ mains supplies like this.
2017-06-15T13:56:58 < sync> ah, but it says it is ok for across the line
2017-06-15T14:00:12 < karlp> yeah, just found the appnote from vishay describing their lines in a bit more detail.
2017-06-15T14:00:40 < karlp> digikey doesn't have this as one of their filter categories though, so when this was first prototyped it was just, "x2? right voltage? right capacitance? good to go!"
2017-06-15T14:00:59 < sync> ya
2017-06-15T14:01:04 < sync> I would have done the same
2017-06-15T14:01:39 < zyp> that's the sort of analog shit I hate dealing with
2017-06-15T14:07:13 < sync> like one of the softwarez gurus at the hackerspace "hardware free computers"
2017-06-15T14:17:09 < zyp> haha
2017-06-15T14:17:18 < zyp> no, I just prefer that somebody else deals with that shit
2017-06-15T14:22:35 < sync> the guy is pretty cray
2017-06-15T14:23:04 < sync> he knows most of the c and c++ spec and can tell you exactly what is written on what page
2017-06-15T14:31:21 < crt> Like ohsix
2017-06-15T14:43:26 < karlp> hehe, seeed just emailed me they can now do 50 layers and 10 oz cu pcbs for "advanced needs"
2017-06-15T14:44:31 < crt> Hahahaha
2017-06-15T14:44:38 < BrainDamage> _50_ layers?
2017-06-15T14:44:46 < crt> Anyone doing 50 layers?
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2017-06-15T14:45:20 < crt> Wonder what type of planar magnetics you could do
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2017-06-15T14:50:40 < zyp> karlp, got the same spam, also rigid-flex
2017-06-15T14:51:44 < zyp> crt, I think the isolated DCDC stuff I bought are doing something like that
2017-06-15T14:51:52 < zyp> hmm, I think dongs still got them
2017-06-15T14:52:09 < crt> Nice nice
2017-06-15T14:52:42 < BrainDamage> seed spammed me instead with a discount code
2017-06-15T14:52:42 < zyp> dongs, whatever happened to that? I think you've said a couple of times that you were about to do those boards
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2017-06-15T14:58:39 < dongs> karlp: do you haev a varistor in parallel with your failign x2
2017-06-15T14:59:04 < dongs> zyp, machine is laoded for htem
2017-06-15T14:59:07 < dongs> just no fuckign time
2017-06-15T14:59:18 < zyp> haha, ok
2017-06-15T14:59:27 < zyp> yeah, I think last you mentioned you were loading it
2017-06-15T14:59:36 < zyp> so it's been loaded for weeks now?
2017-06-15T14:59:52 < dongs> yeah i had same 0603 proejcts to assemble so the parts are all on it including your shit
2017-06-15T14:59:59 < dongs> then i had to be in taiwan for a week and other aids
2017-06-15T15:00:08 < zyp> ah, right
2017-06-15T15:00:58 < dongs> anyway, tomorrow should be ok
2017-06-15T15:01:01 < dongs> i dont see anything in my schedule
2017-06-15T15:01:09 < dongs> so should be done!
2017-06-15T15:01:18 < zyp> emphasis on should :)
2017-06-15T15:01:56 < zyp> hmm, maybe I should get around and order some CTs for it soon then
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2017-06-15T15:02:13 < dongs> karlp: beep
2017-06-15T15:02:19 < zyp> not that I expect anything will show up here before I go on vacation anyway
2017-06-15T15:02:52 < crt> Better go see steffan
2017-06-15T15:03:12 < zyp> no, I'm gonna go see jpa
2017-06-15T15:03:25 < crt> Cool
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2017-06-15T15:14:47 < Thorn> I have a 0.68µF X2 cap that I removed from a failed atx psu. it measures <50% of rated value. tolerance code is K
2017-06-15T15:19:29 < crt> Yes
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2017-06-15T15:22:36 < dongs> anyone know regex for 64byte hex string
2017-06-15T15:22:48 < dongs> 0..9a..f x 64
2017-06-15T15:23:05 < Thorn> x128
2017-06-15T15:23:11 < qyx> [0-9a-F]{128}
2017-06-15T15:23:13 < qyx> or something like that
2017-06-15T15:23:28 < dongs> yeah just found that on expert-sexchange
2017-06-15T15:23:31 < dongs> thanks qyx
2017-06-15T15:24:58 < dongs> now if i only could figure out how to make vim highlight that regex in search
2017-06-15T15:25:13 < uniqdom> I'm experiencing a timeout in function HAL_UART_Receive(&huart1, cmdRecv, 3,10000) even if I send enough chars to fill the buffer. the microcontroller is a STM32F051. What could be the cause? I will do a pastebin
2017-06-15T15:28:01 < dongs> looks like fucking vim doenst take {64}
2017-06-15T15:28:03 < dongs> god damn
2017-06-15T15:28:29 < crt> Wtf
2017-06-15T15:29:15 < uniqdom> https://pastebin.com/53sNvtuQ. My "main" code starts at line 140, I also added lines 67 and below to enable the use of printf over the UART.
2017-06-15T15:32:05 < karlp> dongs: varistor? noo. just x2 cap and R in series with mains, zener to "ground" and forward diode to LDO.
2017-06-15T15:32:51 < karlp> https://www.multisim.com/content/Wc5z6d3wfBFL9MsaeZu8dS/ac-rc-supply/ is the mains portion of it.
2017-06-15T15:34:00 < karlp> qyx: won't [0-9a-F] also include hijklmnop...?
2017-06-15T15:34:14 < zyp> that's what I wondered as well
2017-06-15T15:34:23 < Thorn> [0-9A-Fa-f]
2017-06-15T15:34:28 < Thorn> a-F is an error
2017-06-15T15:34:30 < zyp> but I figure maybe x-Y is a shorthand for x-y + X-Y
2017-06-15T15:34:36 < zyp> .. or maybe not
2017-06-15T15:35:18 < karlp> a-F tells me invalid range in vim at least.
2017-06-15T15:46:52 < qyx> karlp: that was a typo
2017-06-15T15:46:57 < qyx> of course a-f or A-F
2017-06-15T15:49:34 < qyx> dongs: try escaping { and }
2017-06-15T15:49:40 < qyx> \{128\}
2017-06-15T15:51:36 < qyx> worksforme
2017-06-15T15:55:46 < dongs> qyx, yep that worked
2017-06-15T15:56:09 < dongs> [0-9a-f]\{64} worked fine
2017-06-15T15:56:53 < Thorn> weird, you do not escape [ in the range expression, why escape {
2017-06-15T16:00:13 < qyx> idk, usually {} needs to be escaped for some reason
2017-06-15T16:00:36 < qyx> also grep behaves this way, it depends on the -e switch
2017-06-15T16:00:42 < zyp> what if you want to match a literal {?
2017-06-15T16:01:10 < qyx> in vim you just /{
2017-06-15T16:02:45 < qyx> http://www.regular-expressions.info/posix.html
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2017-06-15T16:18:21 < dongs> karlp: my analog pal says your shit is a fucking fire hazard and hopefully its not in a commercial product
2017-06-15T16:18:30 < zyp> haha
2017-06-15T16:18:45 < zyp> on what basis?
2017-06-15T16:20:07 < jadew> this? https://www.multisim.com/content/Wc5z6d3wfBFL9MsaeZu8dS/ac-rc-supply/
2017-06-15T16:20:11 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-15T16:20:53 < qyx> whats hazardous there
2017-06-15T16:21:01 < zyp> IIRC karlp argued that isolated comms was cheaper than an isolated power supply
2017-06-15T16:23:54 < qyx> hm, i would probably go with a high voltage buck
2017-06-15T16:24:21 < dongs> qyx, not much just hf noise going through c1 and r1/zener can get quite hot under load
2017-06-15T16:24:23 < Thorn> why not flyback
2017-06-15T16:25:17 < karlp> r1 and the zener will melt if not sized properly yes.  there's also a TVS on the input which stops the resistor burning under spikes
2017-06-15T16:25:19 < dongs> > also, D2 and C2 could turn into voltage doubler if you have spikes in the AC
2017-06-15T16:25:37 < karlp> it passed CE testing after adding the tvs on input (after c1, before r1)
2017-06-15T16:26:39 < qyx> Thorn: because flyback transformers are more expensive than a simple coil
2017-06-15T16:27:27 < dongs> karlp: whats the load? is this some IoT node shit with mA current draw?
2017-06-15T16:27:48 < zyp> current measurement shit
2017-06-15T16:27:59 < zyp> so it's hooked to live shit anyway
2017-06-15T16:28:06 < karlp> dongs: yeah, 20-25ma at 5v
2017-06-15T16:29:28 < zyp> it'd probably make economical sense to do something like that on my shit too, instead of supplying the unisolated shit by an isolated DCDC fed by an isolated ACDC
2017-06-15T16:30:36 < qyx> wouldn't be cheaper to use a flyback with two outputs?
2017-06-15T16:30:42 < qyx> for full isolated awesomeness
2017-06-15T16:31:17 < qyx> with those viper chips and china made standard transformers
2017-06-15T16:31:51 < qyx> they have primary aux coils  which you can use to supply the mains side
2017-06-15T16:31:53 < zyp> probably, but like I mentioned earlier, designing power circuitry is not really my idea of fun
2017-06-15T16:32:35 < qyx> much sparks and glowing wires
2017-06-15T16:35:13 < karlp> yeah, this measures voltage and current on mains.
2017-06-15T16:36:24 < karlp> if we(I)  were designing it from scratch, I'd probably be looking at an isolated dcdc from the other end, drop the mains power
2017-06-15T16:37:11 < zyp> is the mcu on the ac side or the bus side of the isolation?
2017-06-15T16:37:22 < karlp> also, this is _tiny_ space wize, vs any of the other flyback or transformer based options.
2017-06-15T16:37:38 < karlp> those all still need teh X rated cap that takes up all the space *-plus* the transformer.
2017-06-15T16:37:57 < karlp> mcu is on the other side of a spi isolator
2017-06-15T16:38:08 < karlp> with power from another source.
2017-06-15T16:38:16 < karlp> this supply is just for supplyign the metering chip
2017-06-15T16:38:54 < qyx> then those primar-side-feedback converters would do
2017-06-15T16:39:13 < karlp> got a link?
2017-06-15T16:39:57 < qyx> see eTPS55010
2017-06-15T16:40:01 < qyx> see TPS55010
2017-06-15T16:40:06 < englishman> karlp: testing has shown that STM32 will fail-open, does this research help you
2017-06-15T16:40:46 < zyp> englishman, every failing stm32 I've had has failed short, so I'm inclined to disagree
2017-06-15T16:40:59 < zyp> but I probably just didn't put in enough power
2017-06-15T16:41:11 < englishman> yeah i mean, with mains voltage
2017-06-15T16:42:53 < fest> englishman: electrically open or literally open? :>
2017-06-15T16:42:58 < karlp> qyx: yeah, sure, that's a dcdc isolated ic,
2017-06-15T16:43:24 < karlp> replaces the spi isolator and teh x2 cap with a transformer, an ic and a bunch of passives.
2017-06-15T16:43:34 < karlp> it's kinda what'd I'd look at doing, but that's a whole new design.
2017-06-15T16:44:46 < qyx> mhm
2017-06-15T16:44:49 < qyx> which reminds me
2017-06-15T16:45:02 < qyx> there were some adum parts for rs485 drivers
2017-06-15T16:45:48 < qyx> which actually have isolated dc/dc converter and an isolator for data lines
2017-06-15T16:47:19 < qyx> http://www.analog.com/en/products/interface-isolation/isolation/isopower/adum6412.html
2017-06-15T16:47:41 < Thorn> http://www.econotimes.com/New-PIC32-Family-of-32-Bit-Microcontrollers-Optimized-for-Motor-Control-and-General-Purpose-Applications-693087
2017-06-15T16:49:21 < karlp> yeah, they're super expensive.
2017-06-15T16:49:34 < karlp> they were getting spammed on one of the EDN / EETIMES whatsit websites last week.
2017-06-15T16:49:49 < karlp> theres a lot of optionis for isolation :)
2017-06-15T16:50:14 < qyx> just drop there a LED with a photodiode
2017-06-15T16:50:44  * karlp laughs
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2017-06-15T17:41:42 < jpa-> downloading cubemx on a mobile net and st server doesn't support continuing downloads.. fortunately i'm getting paid for this
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2017-06-15T17:42:48 < szwetsloot> Does anyone know where I can get a reference design for a sam4n chip?
2017-06-15T17:43:49 < karlp> yeah, on the same documents you were reading yesterday
2017-06-15T17:44:31 < szwetsloot> Can you point me where?  The only one I can find is the one from the sam4n xplained pro, and that one has a debugger chip between the usb and the chip.
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2017-06-15T17:49:17 < szwetsloot> ?
2017-06-15T17:49:37 < c10ud^> szwetsloot, I think you can safely omit the debugger chip?
2017-06-15T17:50:35 < jpa-> hmm, the cubemx gui isn't actually too bad
2017-06-15T17:52:03 < szwetsloot> c10ud: Yeah, probably. But I can't figure out how the signals pass the debugger chip
2017-06-15T17:54:05 < englishman> jpa-: cube is awesome
2017-06-15T17:56:19 < karlp> szwetsloot: same as yesterday, you wire them to your 10pin header and you MAKE SURE you get them right, and you make sure your debugger works.
2017-06-15T17:56:54 < karlp> and you make sure you got the _rest_ of your hw design right, by going to atmel's docs section and getting the hw dev guide for your part.
2017-06-15T17:57:14 < karlp> and you also go to ##atmelisdeadmicrohip4eva and ask them for support ;)
2017-06-15T17:57:41 < szwetsloot> To an empty channel?
2017-06-15T17:58:35 < szwetsloot> I did all that. I am trying to find out where I made a mistake. That's why I'm asking if anyone has a working schematic so I can compare
2017-06-15T17:59:04 < karlp> we don't use garbage parts ;) but maybe youc ould present your own schematic?
2017-06-15T17:59:20 < szwetsloot> Is it that bad a MCU?
2017-06-15T17:59:49 < szwetsloot> This is mine:
2017-06-15T17:59:51 < szwetsloot> https://www.dropbox.com/s/55v9fgw1tosmwc2/Row1_Design.sch?dl=0
2017-06-15T18:00:31 < szwetsloot> I found that I missed pin 51 (TDI), so I have a wire running from pin 51 to pin 8 on my header
2017-06-15T18:01:03 < szwetsloot> And .brd file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uaoq0to0gqidoad/Row1_Design.brd?dl=0
2017-06-15T18:04:14 < c10ud^> szwetsloot, I can't view them right now, are you trying to tie a JTAG header to your mcu?
2017-06-15T18:04:50 < szwetsloot> c10ud^: Yeah
2017-06-15T18:05:30 < szwetsloot> I used to work with atmega328p, but for a new project I developed a kalman state observer filter, and the m328p is not fast enough to use that.
2017-06-15T18:06:55 < c10ud^> I used a sam5ad4, the header was a 2x10 pin, not sure if yours is any different
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2017-06-15T18:07:07 < szwetsloot_> sry, got a BSOD
2017-06-15T18:07:32 < c10ud^> <c10ud^> I used a sam5ad4, the header was a 2x10 pin, not sure if yours is any different
2017-06-15T18:08:22 < szwetsloot_> Thanks, but I'll figure it out
2017-06-15T18:08:29 < szwetsloot_> Just reinstalled my PC, so getting WhoCrashed now
2017-06-15T18:09:16 < c10ud^> szwetsloot_, like this: http://imgur.com/a/pY1HE
2017-06-15T18:09:20 < szwetsloot_> igdkmd64.sys caused a SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION
2017-06-15T18:09:30 < c10ud^> I don't know if yours is the same
2017-06-15T18:09:32 < c10ud^> gotta go
2017-06-15T18:09:52 < szwetsloot_> Exactly the same, except it's 10 pin instead of 20
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2017-06-15T18:10:00 < szwetsloot_> fewer gnd pins
2017-06-15T18:10:01 < szwetsloot_> Cya
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2017-06-15T18:14:44 < szwetsloot_> I think I'll just disable intel and use my nvidia
2017-06-15T18:14:58 < szwetsloot_> I've had issues with my intel card before
2017-06-15T18:15:54 < szwetsloot_> http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-42155-SAM4S-Schematic-Checklist_ApplicationNote_AT03463.pdf
2017-06-15T18:16:03 < szwetsloot_> This should be applicable to SAM4N as well right?
2017-06-15T18:16:07 < szwetsloot_> They are pin to pin compatible
2017-06-15T18:20:38 < karlp> szwetsloot_: you still need to decide, and be aware of, whether you're trying to use swd or jtag, and what, if any, pins need to be tied for your device
2017-06-15T18:21:26 < karlp> and yes, those are the sorts of docs you should be reading before desigging your own boards
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2017-06-15T18:27:39 < szwetsloot_> karlp: I am trying to connect JTAG. I have connected the required pins. Also checking these documents I can't find any mistakes.
2017-06-15T18:28:02 < szwetsloot_> I have spend 4 days and more than 30 hours on this now, that's why I came asking here for help
2017-06-15T18:29:43 < fest> damn, those mems gyros are so sensitive. I have been working on calibrating  zero offset for a bunch of them on a single panel, and could not get it to work (i.e. when gyro pcb was connected to real device, the offsets were different)
2017-06-15T18:30:17 < fest> turns out you must turn rest of the gyros on the same board off while calibrating one
2017-06-15T18:30:59 < fest> and turns out when connector is connected, it exerts a different flex forces on the pcb
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2017-06-15T18:32:56 < szwetsloot_> hey c10ud, welcome back
2017-06-15T18:32:59 < fest> http://imgur.com/a/yPdmp
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2017-06-15T18:40:50 < Lux> fest: you'll probably never manage to calibrate your gyros to 0 properly
2017-06-15T18:41:09 < Lux> once the temperature changes or the board flexes it'll change aswell
2017-06-15T18:42:28 < Lux> if your application allows it you are better off just doing a zero calibration at startup when you know the board isn't moving
2017-06-15T18:51:34 < c10ud> lol thx
2017-06-15T18:52:33 < Steffanx>  Yw
2017-06-15T18:53:29 < englishman> fest: where is the gyro on that panel? bottom side?
2017-06-15T18:56:01 < szwetsloot_> c10ud: Do you have the schematic of the device on which you used that JTAG?
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2017-06-15T19:02:07 < c10ud> szwetsloot_, that is the sama5d4-xult
2017-06-15T19:02:21 < c10ud> I posted it because I figured the programmer was the same..?
2017-06-15T19:02:28 < c10ud> ATMEL ICE iirc
2017-06-15T19:07:51 < szwetsloot_> c10ud: yeah it is
2017-06-15T19:08:03 < szwetsloot_> c10ud: Did you programm it using atmel studio?
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2017-06-15T19:09:44 < c10ud> no, we went directly with the USB-to-flash programming, but used SAM-ICE to debug a few things
2017-06-15T19:10:37 < karlp> szwetsloot_: what's pin77 meant to be?
2017-06-15T19:11:41 < karlp> you don't need any of those pulls you have on the SWD pins, and you're still using SWD names there, but talking about jtag here
2017-06-15T19:12:19 < szwetsloot_> karlp: That one needs to be pulled high if you want to use te JTAG boundary scan, but I figured that wasn't necessary
2017-06-15T19:12:37 < szwetsloot_> c10ud: Can you show me how? I can solder wires directly on the chip, so any way to flash it would be awesome
2017-06-15T19:13:57 < szwetsloot_> karlp: Is it possible that the pulls cause issues when connecting?
2017-06-15T19:14:38 < karlp> you didn't wire it for jtag though.
2017-06-15T19:14:59 < karlp> your schematic looks ok for swd, but I have't read the atmel notes on what the JTAGSEL pin should be.
2017-06-15T19:15:18 < karlp> but youv'e got it floating, so who knows what it's doing
2017-06-15T19:15:27 < szwetsloot_> "The JTAGSEL pin is used to select the JTAG boundary scan when asserted at a high level. It integrates a permanent pull-down resistor of about 15 kΩ to GND, so that it can be left unconnected for normal operations."
2017-06-15T19:16:05 < szwetsloot_> karlp: I'll try another round with SWD.
2017-06-15T19:16:57 < karlp> if you don't get it working, you need to check things like, "is my device actualyl powered" and "does my debugger hardware actually work"
2017-06-15T19:17:51 < szwetsloot_> It is powered, and the correct LED's on the debugger turn on
2017-06-15T19:18:07 < szwetsloot_> plus it's a brand new atmel ice. It would be really impressive if it's already broken
2017-06-15T19:19:01 < szwetsloot_> Okay, I connected everything and am creating an empty project in Atmel studio
2017-06-15T19:19:25 < szwetsloot_> Selected user board template for atsam4n16c
2017-06-15T19:20:33 < szwetsloot_> Reading target voltage goes correctly (3.3V)
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2017-06-15T19:21:18 < szwetsloot_> ComponentId:	20100 StatusCode:	1 ModuleName:	TCF (TCF command: Device:startSession failed.)  No device detected. Error 4109
2017-06-15T19:22:26 < c10ud> szwetsloot_, atmel ice is jtag only afaik, no swd
2017-06-15T19:22:37 < c10ud> oh no it does
2017-06-15T19:22:39 < c10ud> my bad
2017-06-15T19:22:46 < szwetsloot_> http://www.atmel.com/webdoc/atmelice/atmelice.connecting_swd.html
2017-06-15T19:24:08 < szwetsloot_> It shows 3.3v on all VCC pins, 1.8V on all VDDCORE pins
2017-06-15T19:24:52 < c10ud> szwetsloot_, I'm not familiar with sam4n, cannot help you on this one but I suggest you start by checking if the pin on your board correspond to the ones on the devkit
2017-06-15T19:25:13 < c10ud> the swd pins on the header with the corresponding mcu pins, one by one
2017-06-15T19:25:40 < szwetsloot_> c10ud: Yeah that's my problem. The devkit uses an EDBG and I can't figure that one out
2017-06-15T19:26:01 < szwetsloot_> c10ud: Can you send me how you programmed yours?
2017-06-15T19:26:34 < karlp> is the _device_ powered? ie, not just that the vdd is connected,
2017-06-15T19:26:44 < karlp> did you get all the _rest_ of the hw design correct for the board.
2017-06-15T19:26:53 < szwetsloot_> sorry, what is hw?
2017-06-15T19:26:59 < karlp> the edbg is just connected to the same pins like your ice is via the pin headers.
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2017-06-15T19:27:40 < szwetsloot_> karlp: Currently only the chip, it's passives (and resonators etc) and the LDO circuit is on the board
2017-06-15T19:28:03 < szwetsloot_> I prefer to not solder the rest till I get the MCU to work
2017-06-15T19:29:09 < c10ud> karlp, I had edbg too but the traces jtag-to-mcu work regardelessly if there's edbg or not, edbg is just for easy debug through USB
2017-06-15T19:29:37 < c10ud> whoops, not karlp but szwetsloot_
2017-06-15T19:29:50 < karlp> szwetsloot_: your decoupling for vddcore looks pretty bogus.
2017-06-15T19:30:32 < szwetsloot_> karlp: Yeah, the L1 should've been between VDDOUT and VDDPLL, but I figured it doesn't hurt anything right now.
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2017-06-15T19:31:25 < karlp> if you say so.
2017-06-15T19:32:46 < szwetsloot_> For 1.8V stable it should act as a wire. And the values of the LC together is way too high to do anything
2017-06-15T19:33:43 < szwetsloot_> If it would resonate it would be 22.4kH
2017-06-15T19:33:54 < szwetsloot_> That's not a frequency the system is likely to generate
2017-06-15T19:34:29 < szwetsloot_> Let me get you a picture of the board...
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2017-06-15T19:35:12 < szwetsloot_> http://imgur.com/a/lNoDj
2017-06-15T19:35:35 < szwetsloot_> Sorry for the quality, the camera of my phone is crap
2017-06-15T19:36:31 < karlp> the pinout of your header matches standards and your schematic.
2017-06-15T19:36:48 < karlp> I presume you've checked that your footprint symbols are correct and match atmel's docs?
2017-06-15T19:36:54 < szwetsloot_> Yeah
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2017-06-15T19:37:12 < szwetsloot_> Altough I'll go through them again to be sure
2017-06-15T19:37:16 < szwetsloot_> Can't hurt
2017-06-15T19:37:19 < Steffanx> Are you sure you didnt mount in upside down?
2017-06-15T19:37:31 < szwetsloot_> Quite sure, the indicator pin is in the bottom-left
2017-06-15T19:37:49 < Steffanx> Doesnt have it one of the other side too?
2017-06-15T19:38:18 < szwetsloot_> No
2017-06-15T19:38:47 < Steffanx> i see it on your photo. Top right
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2017-06-15T19:39:47 < szwetsloot_> Ah the smaller one?
2017-06-15T19:40:02 < Steffanx> yes
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2017-06-15T19:40:42 < szwetsloot_> Ehm,let me get the picture in the datasheet
2017-06-15T19:42:07 < szwetsloot_> It doesn't show in the database. I'll check on the dev board
2017-06-15T19:42:18 < szwetsloot_> datasheet*
2017-06-15T19:43:07 < Steffanx> im pretty sure its wrong. Compare with the SAM4N_Xplained_Pro
2017-06-15T19:43:34 < szwetsloot_> ahahaha
2017-06-15T19:43:36 < Steffanx> The xtal is near the tiny circle.
2017-06-15T19:43:41 < szwetsloot_> You're right
2017-06-15T19:43:42 < szwetsloot_> >.<
2017-06-15T19:44:02 < szwetsloot_> I'm not sure if I should be happy now or really annoyed
2017-06-15T19:44:04 < szwetsloot_> But thanks!!!!!
2017-06-15T19:44:38 < Steffanx> You can thank us by sending Stroopwafels to some random guy in ##stm32
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2017-06-15T19:44:55 < szwetsloot_> Adres? ;)
2017-06-15T19:46:48 < Steffanx> Some stm32s have the same issue. With the two indicators.
2017-06-15T19:47:06 < Steffanx> Actually one indicator and some other circle.
2017-06-15T19:47:31 < szwetsloot_> Idiots at microchip
2017-06-15T19:47:57 < szwetsloot_> But.... where do I send the stroopwafels?
2017-06-15T19:49:09 < Steffanx> Hah, dont know.
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2017-06-15T20:09:08 < szwetsloot_> I'm quite curious if the chip will survive all this refurbishing
2017-06-15T20:09:19 < szwetsloot_> Can't be good for it's health
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2017-06-15T20:13:08 < Steffanx> Why your nix signal doesnt seem to go anywhere szwetsloot_? In your PCB.
2017-06-15T20:13:27 < szwetsloot_> nix signal?
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2017-06-15T20:14:22 < Steffanx> oh its XIN, i guess :P
2017-06-15T20:15:08 < szwetsloot_> Huh, interesting
2017-06-15T20:15:14 < szwetsloot_> No clue. I'm removing it now
2017-06-15T20:15:33 < szwetsloot_> Probably rotated the chip at one point and forgot it afterwards
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2017-06-15T20:35:33 < szwetsloot_> Seems something probably broke. I'm going to put a new one together tomorrow and I'll let you guys know if it works
2017-06-15T20:35:39 < szwetsloot_> Thanks a lot for all the help
2017-06-15T20:35:41 < szwetsloot_> And good night
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2017-06-15T20:37:17 < Steffanx> its not night yet.
2017-06-15T20:38:11 < Thorn> dicktrace at its best http://i.imgur.com/pb4WIBD.png
2017-06-15T20:38:45 < englishman> dont use autoroute silly
2017-06-15T20:38:54 < Thorn> never even tried it
2017-06-15T20:39:21 < Thorn> this is the result of "rotate as a group"
2017-06-15T20:39:34 < rajkosto> didnt select all the traces obviously
2017-06-15T20:40:17 < Thorn> nope it makes no difference
2017-06-15T20:40:25 < rajkosto> oh wait
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2017-06-15T20:40:38 < rajkosto> did it try to autoroute so that the points remained connected or some stupid shit ?
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2017-06-15T20:44:34 < Thorn> it also fucks up all traces connected to a component being moved in a similar way
2017-06-15T20:44:49 < Thorn> in the latter case you can watch them grow, like a chemical reaction
2017-06-15T20:46:56 < englishman> conway's game of diptrace
2017-06-15T20:48:02 < rajkosto> why you tracin dips anyway
2017-06-15T20:48:13 < rajkosto> outdated like its name
2017-06-15T20:49:25 < englishman> heuy
2017-06-15T20:49:29 < englishman> diptrace is awesome
2017-06-15T20:49:32 < englishman> and actively developed
2017-06-15T20:49:43 < englishman> possibly by serbians
2017-06-15T20:50:02 < Thorn> it's Ukraine
2017-06-15T20:50:07 < Thorn> afaik
2017-06-15T20:50:08 < Steffanx> *dicktrace
2017-06-15T20:50:15 < Steffanx> Learn to dongify.
2017-06-15T20:50:16 < englishman> *dicktrace
2017-06-15T20:50:39 < Steffanx> So how low power is your lora englishman?
2017-06-15T20:50:51 < englishman> still going, il PM the link
2017-06-15T20:51:17 < Thorn> http://diptrace.com/files/_processed_/csm_DSC_9616_1_a9b82634ec.jpg
2017-06-15T20:51:22 < englishman> its running every 5 seconds now, and i plan to have it run only every 10 mins
2017-06-15T20:51:44 < englishman> so far battery voltage fluctuations are mostly correlated with temp
2017-06-15T20:51:53 < rajkosto> diptrace looks worse than eagle
2017-06-15T20:52:09 < rajkosto> but i mean eagle doesnt even have rotation/flip board so
2017-06-15T20:52:14 < rajkosto> can anything be worse than it
2017-06-15T20:52:33 < englishman> plz
2017-06-15T20:54:04 < Thorn> to their credit I've never seen it crash
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2017-06-15T21:08:03 < invzim> the ms paint of cad
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2017-06-15T21:30:30 < benpicco> it also works on Linux
2017-06-15T21:30:35 < englishman> fucking
2017-06-15T21:30:36 < englishman> ARROW
2017-06-15T21:32:33 < Steffanx> HAHA.
2017-06-15T21:32:45 < zyp> hmm?
2017-06-15T21:32:47 < Steffanx> At worked they complained about ARROW as well.
2017-06-15T21:32:51 < Steffanx> Made me thing about you englishman.
2017-06-15T21:34:03 < englishman> :)
2017-06-15T21:34:08 < englishman> now it is a billing issue
2017-06-15T21:34:13 < englishman> there is no issue they just want me to call in
2017-06-15T21:34:21 < englishman> to a guy who never picks up his phone or returns his calls
2017-06-15T21:34:27 < englishman> status: unshipped.
2017-06-15T21:34:37 < englishman> digikey order placed same time already arrived and is being assembled
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2017-06-15T21:43:49 < Steffanx> Think*
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2017-06-15T22:45:45 < kakimir> secks instructor is back!
2017-06-15T22:45:53 < kakimir> hello pumps!
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2017-06-15T22:46:16 < Steffanx> Déjà vu
2017-06-15T22:47:09 < kakimir> did you just think about me Steffanx ?
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2017-06-15T22:49:27 < upgrdman> if you want to find the next bit of a byte that is set, is there some easy way other than brute forcing it? e.g. with a byte like 1000 1010 ... if i'm on bit7, i want to go to bit3 then to bit 1.
2017-06-15T22:49:59 < upgrdman> any way other than a big also if/elseif thinggy?
2017-06-15T22:50:29 < Thorn> foo >>= 1 in a loop
2017-06-15T22:50:43 < Thorn> and if (foo & 1)
2017-06-15T22:50:46 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-06-15T22:51:15 < Steffanx> Nah you said the same thing when you joined yesterday kakimir
2017-06-15T22:52:19 < kakimir> Steffanx: you should check it
2017-06-15T22:52:28 < kakimir> I did not
2017-06-15T22:52:43 < kakimir> there is a glitch in matrix?
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2017-06-15T23:06:57 < zyp> upgrdman, clz and similar
2017-06-15T23:08:01  * upgrdman googles
2017-06-15T23:08:04 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Find_first_set
2017-06-15T23:08:18 < upgrdman> thx
2017-06-15T23:08:28 < zyp> clz will do the opposite direction though
2017-06-15T23:08:33 < upgrdman> ya thats fine
2017-06-15T23:19:51 < Steffanx> ok ok, almost the same thing kakimir.
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2017-06-15T23:59:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://jjj.de/bitwizardry/bitwizardrypage.html
2017-06-15T23:59:35 < ohsix> also the book is gut
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2017-06-16T00:00:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, thx
2017-06-16T00:00:23 < ohsix> with prepared masks you can do a binary search thing that's like lg n bits
2017-06-16T00:00:34 < upgrdman> also, lol, they made their code snippets GPLv3
2017-06-16T00:01:05 < ohsix> nice
2017-06-16T00:01:17 < ohsix> at least in the bit finding case, that codes been all over the internets in some way or another
2017-06-16T00:02:22 < ohsix> i just like that book and tell everyone every time i can hehehe
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2017-06-16T00:54:56 < upgrdman> this might sound dumb but: can the priority of an ISR be changed while in the ISR? i need the ISR to be high priority, but near the end i need to run some unimportant code that takes a while, and i'd like to lower the ISR priority during that time and then restore it to a high priority right before leaving the ISR
2017-06-16T00:57:33 < sync> I think you can but I
2017-06-16T00:57:38 < sync> m not sure if it takes effect
2017-06-16T00:57:46 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-16T00:57:50 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-06-16T00:57:55 < upgrdman> guess i could try and see
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2017-06-16T02:57:48 < branjb> is the embedded software world shitty as a careerfield?
2017-06-16T02:59:04 < sync> it depends™
2017-06-16T03:00:40 < branjb> one of the jobs i have an interview scheduled for involves green hills integrity and vxworks, i don't know shit about them but they didn't seem to think that was a big deal
2017-06-16T03:02:18 < sync> it is not but vxworks is a pita in my experience, but lots of people use it sucessfully
2017-06-16T03:02:49 < branjb> hmm
2017-06-16T03:06:16 < branjb> what about dxdesigner, how shitty is that?
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2017-06-16T03:15:39 < sync> it is mentor graphics, so basically aids
2017-06-16T03:15:46 < sync> r2commie would disagree tho
2017-06-16T03:16:03 < branjb> why would a company willingly use aids?
2017-06-16T03:16:58 < sync> because it works
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2017-06-16T04:19:31 < dongs>  < branjb> why would a company willingly use aids?
2017-06-16T04:19:31 < dongs>  < sync> because it works
2017-06-16T04:19:33 < dongs> haha
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2017-06-16T04:57:40 < dongs> lol, update on retarded scam startup - they have nothing except hardware. landed first client. need something to show them in a couple weeks.
2017-06-16T04:58:03 < dongs> cannot afford to pay real money, half money half equity.
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2017-06-16T05:01:07 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MrrbI14z/IMG_0336.JPG
2017-06-16T05:01:25 < dongs> looks like youre back to ausfail
2017-06-16T05:21:56 < dongs> oh crt. i had something fo r you
2017-06-16T05:22:53 < dongs> crt: http://i.imgur.com/UPtSAkP.jpg
2017-06-16T05:27:27 < dongs> ls> reboot linux and virtualbox stops working. fucking shite
2017-06-16T05:27:27 < dongs> .. hours later
2017-06-16T05:27:27 < dongs> ls> OK, KDE works again, 5 hours later
2017-06-16T05:27:27 < dongs> ls> fantastic
2017-06-16T05:27:28 < dongs> ahaha
2017-06-16T05:31:43 < upgrdman> lolol awesome   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041SQtMz6oM
2017-06-16T05:33:09 < dongs> i  would punch that fucking cunt
2017-06-16T05:33:10 < dongs> right in teh face
2017-06-16T05:35:58 < upgrdman> yup
2017-06-16T05:36:13 < upgrdman> lol, almost 2^32 dollars... wonder how that error occurred ;)  https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/sorry-maam-you-didnt-win-43m-there-was-a-slot-machine-malfunction/
2017-06-16T05:36:28 < upgrdman> err 2^32 cents*
2017-06-16T05:37:05 < dongs> hmm?
2017-06-16T05:37:12 < dongs> ohh
2017-06-16T05:37:13 < upgrdman> that error payout
2017-06-16T05:37:20 < upgrdman> is 2^32 - 20 cents
2017-06-16T05:37:21 < dongs> ya its 1<<32
2017-06-16T05:37:26 < dongs> loldongs
2017-06-16T05:37:30 < dongs> someone forgot to int/uint
2017-06-16T05:38:28 < englishman> terms of service on a slot machine lol
2017-06-16T05:39:13 < englishman> https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-15/trump-orders-government-to-stop-work-on-y2k-bug-17-years-later
2017-06-16T05:39:42 < dongs> trump making america great again
2017-06-16T05:40:16 < englishman> yes, swamp = drained
2017-06-16T05:41:23 < crt> Hhahaha
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2017-06-16T05:41:52 < vonnieda> Is there a HAL incompatibility between CAN and USB VCP? I seem to be able to use either or, but not both.
2017-06-16T05:42:03 < vonnieda> With both enabled CAN works, but the USB device never enumerates.
2017-06-16T05:42:16 < dongs> lol
2017-06-16T05:42:20 < dongs> which STM32?
2017-06-16T05:42:26 < dongs> most are usb/can mutulally exclusive
2017-06-16T05:42:30 < dongs> because they share same buffer ram
2017-06-16T05:42:35 < vonnieda> STM32F103C8
2017-06-16T05:42:37 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-16T05:42:40 < dongs> definitely there.
2017-06-16T05:42:40 < vonnieda> Ah shit, really?
2017-06-16T05:42:44 < dongs> you either use usb or can.
2017-06-16T05:42:48 < vonnieda> Bah!
2017-06-16T05:42:57 < vonnieda> Is that a limit of the hardware or the driver?
2017-06-16T05:43:00 < dongs> hardware.
2017-06-16T05:43:06 < dongs> like i said, they sahre same ram buffers
2017-06-16T05:43:09 < dongs> also, arent they on same pins?
2017-06-16T05:43:17 < dongs> iirc DP/DM was on same pins as CANH/CANL
2017-06-16T05:43:21 < vonnieda> They are, by default, but can be remapped
2017-06-16T05:43:23 < dongs> tho i think larger package has them separate
2017-06-16T05:43:36 < vonnieda> This is a TQFP48 and they can be remapped to three different places
2017-06-16T05:43:39 < vonnieda> I have them remapped and that works
2017-06-16T05:44:09 < vonnieda> Where can I find something definitive talking about this? Reference manual for the chip?
2017-06-16T05:44:17 < dongs> In low, medium-, high- and XL-density devices the USB and CAN share a dedicated 512-
2017-06-16T05:44:20 < dongs> byte SRAM memory for data transmission and reception, and so they cannot be used
2017-06-16T05:44:21 < dongs> yes.
2017-06-16T05:44:24 < dongs> concurrently (the shared SRAM is accessed through CAN and USB exclusively). The USB
2017-06-16T05:44:27 < dongs> and CAN can be used in the same application but not at the same time.
2017-06-16T05:44:29 < dongs> bxCAN section
2017-06-16T05:44:32 < dongs> RM0008
2017-06-16T05:44:38 < dongs> section 24.2, end of it
2017-06-16T05:44:50 < vonnieda> Awesome, thank you so much. Wish I had asked 10 fucking hours ago!
2017-06-16T05:45:56 < dongs> time to dicknpalce zyps boards
2017-06-16T05:46:07 < dongs> zyp, do I assume you want like 5 or something of them made?
2017-06-16T05:46:22 < dongs> cuz i see the NXJ etc shit x5 and SI86/ATM90 x10
2017-06-16T05:46:43 < dongs> k looks liek 5
2017-06-16T05:46:46 < dongs> proceeeding
2017-06-16T06:04:10 < dongs> good job
2017-06-16T06:04:12 < dongs> your stm32 pattern is garbage
2017-06-16T06:04:19 < dongs> i guess you will be hand-sodlering it for all the pins that didnt make it
2017-06-16T06:04:43 < dongs> thickness of stencil is for like 0.3mm pitch shit
2017-06-16T06:05:01 < dongs> er not stm32, whatever the fuck is that QFP
2017-06-16T06:05:04 < dongs> AT90 shit i guess
2017-06-16T06:09:36 < aandrew> what. the. fuck
2017-06-16T06:09:54 < aandrew> fancy-ass DSP (ADSP-21479) has SPI like you'd expect
2017-06-16T06:10:07 < aandrew> but if you want to use this shithot awesomesauce DSP with SPI you will want ot use DMA
2017-06-16T06:10:32 < aandrew> and what do they do on the DMA controller?! they give you ONE DMA buffer, so you can either read or write using DMA. simultaneous transfers are not possible
2017-06-16T06:10:57 < aandrew> I'm like nowai but look in the manual and it says it right here
2017-06-16T06:11:07 < aandrew> you choose your direction and the other direction is effectively ignored
2017-06-16T06:11:13 < aandrew> way to fucking go, ADI
2017-06-16T06:12:39 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-16T06:12:47 < upgrdman> only one dma channel avail?
2017-06-16T06:13:00 < upgrdman> cant used two channels, one for tx, one for rx?
2017-06-16T06:14:03 < aandrew> nope
2017-06-16T06:14:08 < aandrew> one dma channel is all you get
2017-06-16T06:14:24 < aandrew> I'm like no way, that's got to be shadowed for bidir.. nope
2017-06-16T06:15:33 < upgrdman> FIANLLY. starting a new project at work and i get to use stm32
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2017-06-16T06:16:22 < upgrdman> now i get to rage about stm errata instead of nxp errata
2017-06-16T06:23:16 < dongs> upgrdman: good news, stm is significantly less retarded
2017-06-16T06:23:27 < upgrdman> agreed
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2017-06-16T06:30:05 < dongs> damn trhese murata modules are kawaii as fuck
2017-06-16T06:30:10 < dongs> and something rattles inside
2017-06-16T06:30:39 < dongs> NXJ1S
2017-06-16T06:30:53 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/murata-power-solutions-inc/NXJ1S1212MC-R7/811-3096-1-ND/5697923
2017-06-16T06:37:39 < upgrdman> those look thick. pcb inductor?
2017-06-16T06:38:49 < dongs> im guesing something for isolation
2017-06-16T06:38:51 < dongs> no, it rattles inside
2017-06-16T06:39:27 < dongs> if i had any extra i dint alreadyt mount i would xray the stuff
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2017-06-16T06:58:50 < englishman> I got a contract to delete stm32 from a design and replace with lunix
2017-06-16T06:59:16 < englishman> nobody needs shitty cortex-m in 2017
2017-06-16T06:59:24 < englishman> get with the program upgrdman
2017-06-16T06:59:39 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-16T06:59:56 < upgrdman> they actually shot down my proposal to use a cortex a8 + lunix
2017-06-16T07:00:25 < upgrdman> because they want it cheaper. so they gave up GigE and will tolerate 100Mbps ethernet, so stm32f4 it is
2017-06-16T07:00:47 < dongs> ur doomed
2017-06-16T07:01:07 < upgrdman> "i want to be do all this..." "oh shit that's expensive"
2017-06-16T07:01:15 < upgrdman> dongs, stm eth periph fucked?
2017-06-16T07:01:24 < dongs> nah its great but your proj will fail
2017-06-16T07:01:30 < upgrdman> lol y
2017-06-16T07:01:59 < englishman> "budget" and "wireless high speed medical" do not work together
2017-06-16T07:02:06 < upgrdman> this isnt medical
2017-06-16T07:02:15 < upgrdman> medical is just part of what we do
2017-06-16T07:02:26 < englishman> so use that medical money
2017-06-16T07:02:44 < englishman> agree tho
2017-06-16T07:03:01 < upgrdman> i'd rather they continue to pay me the medical money instead of funneling it elsewhere
2017-06-16T07:03:06 < englishman> if your scope of work can involve either a8 or f4
2017-06-16T07:03:13 < englishman> the project is doomed
2017-06-16T07:03:33 < upgrdman> well a8 was way overkill. i just picked it because at first they want 150Mbps ethernet bandwidth
2017-06-16T07:04:03 < upgrdman> and i didnt see any stm32's with gige
2017-06-16T07:04:47 < upgrdman> englishman, keep in mind the a8 was 300MHz. not some GHz multicore smartphone processor.
2017-06-16T07:07:14 < dongs> upgrdman: probly cuz you picked fucking american A8
2017-06-16T07:07:19 < dongs> whats wrong wiht samAD5
2017-06-16T07:07:48 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/ARM/sama5.aspx
2017-06-16T07:07:55 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/arm/sama5.aspx#SAMA5D3_series
2017-06-16T07:07:57 < dongs> has gigabutt
2017-06-16T07:07:59 < upgrdman> nothings wrong with that
2017-06-16T07:08:02 < dongs> and is CHEAP
2017-06-16T07:08:21 < upgrdman> dongs, but dont forget the total cost. mpu needs external ram and flash (or sd)
2017-06-16T07:08:33 < dongs> oh what its fucking obsolete
2017-06-16T07:08:55 < dongs> upgrdman: not really
2017-06-16T07:09:25 < upgrdman> ?
2017-06-16T07:09:59 < dongs> some of those have a tiny bit of sdram inside
2017-06-16T07:10:04 < dongs> and you could program them baremetal without lunix
2017-06-16T07:10:13 < dongs> er sdram -> sram
2017-06-16T07:10:43 < upgrdman> and flash?
2017-06-16T07:10:52 < dongs> but anyway, even with a cheap ddr and nand its still < $15 total cost for the thing
2017-06-16T07:11:06 < upgrdman> and a "tiny bit" of ram wont do. need to buffer some stuff
2017-06-16T07:11:16 < upgrdman> dongs, ya but an f4 is half that
2017-06-16T07:11:30 < dongs> christ.
2017-06-16T07:12:20 < upgrdman> ?
2017-06-16T07:12:40 < dongs> so what are you doing with f4? attaching sdram to it?
2017-06-16T07:12:51 < upgrdman> no. 200KB ram is enough
2017-06-16T07:13:36 < dongs> One 160 Kbyte Internal ROM Single-cycle Access at System Speed, Embedded Boot Loader: Boot on 8-bit
2017-06-16T07:13:39 < dongs> NAND Flash, SDCard, eMMC, serial DataFlash, selectable Order
2017-06-16T07:13:41 < dongs> ̶ One 128 Kbyte Internal SRAM, Single-cycle Access at System Speed
2017-06-16T07:14:30 < upgrdman> that might be close enough
2017-06-16T07:14:37 < upgrdman> now you hating and stm32, lol
2017-06-16T07:14:42 < upgrdman> s/and/on
2017-06-16T07:15:03 < dongs> i jsut dont think something that started as "need gige" will end well on a stm32
2017-06-16T07:15:28 < dongs> you would have to be very careful with lwip or wahtever trash and prepare buffers/stuff in a way that they could be directly DMA'd and shit.
2017-06-16T07:15:43 < upgrdman> it never needed gige. they just wanted lots of flexibility and then when they looked at cost they decided to be realisitic
2017-06-16T07:15:49 < dongs> k
2017-06-16T07:16:40 < dongs> brototype on that zi nucleo and see if its even worth teh effort
2017-06-16T07:16:46 < dongs> then onyl $25 spent
2017-06-16T07:16:50 < dongs> + your worthless time ^_^
2017-06-16T07:16:53 < upgrdman> they were like "we might, some time in the distant future, have a use for 150Mbps" ... and now "in the next five years, we prolly wont need >40Mbps"
2017-06-16T07:17:05 < upgrdman> yes, im ordering this nucleo
2017-06-16T07:18:19 < englishman> doomed
2017-06-16T07:18:43 < englishman> not your fault either
2017-06-16T07:18:50 < upgrdman> :)
2017-06-16T07:19:02 < dongs> yeah im gonna have to agree
2017-06-16T07:19:17 < upgrdman> as long as the paychecks keep coming...
2017-06-16T07:19:44 < englishman> then its only your life wasted
2017-06-16T07:19:47 < englishman> no biggie
2017-06-16T07:19:52 < upgrdman> haha
2017-06-16T07:21:51 < dongs> saved from embedded lunix
2017-06-16T07:22:35 < upgrdman> well i still might end up doing lunix on some other project, but that's no time soon
2017-06-16T07:23:53 < upgrdman> was kinda looking forward to playing around with embedded lunix
2017-06-16T07:24:02 < upgrdman> but at least i'll get paid to dick with stm32f4
2017-06-16T07:24:59 < dongs> imagine desktop lunix. then make it 10x worse
2017-06-16T07:25:12 < dongs> and you got embedded
2017-06-16T07:25:17 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-16T07:25:54 < dongs> anyway i've wanted to fuck around with samA5 but same problem, no real reason to use it
2017-06-16T07:26:15 < upgrdman> i think we actually used that on a board a year ago
2017-06-16T07:26:38 < upgrdman> and same thing, they decided to be realistic with requirements, and squeeze the BoM, lol
2017-06-16T07:26:51 < upgrdman> it some samaSomething
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2017-06-16T07:35:32 < upgrdman> it rj45 with internal magnetics any more expensive than rj45 + transformer?
2017-06-16T07:39:12 < crt> hmm
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2017-06-16T07:49:43 < crt> the donald would know
2017-06-16T07:52:39 < ohsix> new eevblug meter has tf slot
2017-06-16T07:53:30 < ohsix> ne1 beeping kostix, tell him i sent the package
2017-06-16T07:55:58 < ohsix> upgrdman: if you need to play a game like that (changing the priority) split your irq handler into top/bottom halvez
2017-06-16T07:57:44 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i decided to do it cleaner: trigger another interrupt that has a slightly lower priority
2017-06-16T07:58:02 < upgrdman> worked in my case since i had plenty of unused priority levels
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2017-06-16T08:42:43 < ohsix> upgrdman: re: magnetics yas
2017-06-16T08:43:03 < ohsix> today was a total shit show but not bad
2017-06-16T08:43:07 < ohsix> at least i'm tired haha
2017-06-16T08:43:15 < ohsix> got quite a bit done too
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2017-06-16T08:49:55 < ohsix> JOOP posted another pidbot vidya
2017-06-16T08:51:06 < dongs> upgrdman: not at all
2017-06-16T08:51:09 < dongs> cheaper
2017-06-16T08:51:17 < dongs> fuck external shit unless you need PoE or somethign
2017-06-16T08:51:51 < upgrdman> dongs, good
2017-06-16T08:52:25 < upgrdman> i've taken apart switches before and they also used external magnetics. any idea why?
2017-06-16T08:52:31 < upgrdman> more robust?
2017-06-16T08:52:38 < upgrdman> s/also/always
2017-06-16T08:52:41 < dongs> no, they used the ones that are like ganged for 4 ports
2017-06-16T08:52:50 < dongs> and multiport/stacked built in magnetics shit doesnt exist
2017-06-16T08:53:38 < ohsix> :\ people started copying me on emails and it's all shit i know of already
2017-06-16T08:54:50 < crt> shit
2017-06-16T08:55:35 < ohsix> ya m8
2017-06-16T08:55:52 < ohsix> when they ask me if i saw a thing it's a big risk
2017-06-16T08:56:00 < ohsix> cuz it means i ignored itttt
2017-06-16T08:57:04 < ohsix> one of the dudes is a board member and i don't even know why
2017-06-16T09:01:08 < ohsix> https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action i verified my shit for this today
2017-06-16T09:01:24 < ohsix> it was wiiiiiiild, nobody knew what to do at the post office, and i only took the barcode
2017-06-16T09:01:49 < ohsix> there were actual instructions the usps employees had to use with their POS/printer in the email heheheh
2017-06-16T09:02:09 < ohsix> genuine surprise when the person found an app they'd never seen before on them
2017-06-16T09:04:38 < Steffanx> The amount of random is getting back to the old lvl again, ohsix ...
2017-06-16T09:05:19 < Steffanx> Random talk*
2017-06-16T09:05:47 < dongs> in other words, autism levels at all-time high, yeah?
2017-06-16T09:05:59 < crt> better replace that amp module cr
2017-06-16T09:06:00 < crt> t
2017-06-16T09:06:29 < crt> the current source uses a green LED so anyone living inside the rack enclosure has a free light
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2017-06-16T09:26:11 < zyp> dongs, wat, should either be same pattern that I've used on other shit or directly from the IPC wizard thing
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2017-06-16T09:29:54 < crt> such a classic pervert
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2017-06-16T10:02:46 < crt> is steffan on the blower tonight?
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2017-06-16T10:15:43 < ohsix> yes
2017-06-16T10:15:58 < crt> yes
2017-06-16T10:16:02 < ohsix> yes
2017-06-16T10:16:18 < crt> the blown power amplifier
2017-06-16T10:16:55 < ohsix> Steffanx: watch someone else, i'm barely managing a few minutes a day on irc
2017-06-16T10:17:51 < ohsix> here's something random, my pupils are 69mm apart on center
2017-06-16T10:18:16 < ohsix> it is hard to measure due 2 eye color
2017-06-16T10:18:23 < ohsix> ty
2017-06-16T10:21:52 < ohsix> i got a package today that strongly supports that some sort of gibberish generator is used for the description of contents
2017-06-16T10:22:12 < ohsix> sma - f connector, package says 'grinding bit*1 joint extension line'
2017-06-16T10:23:03 < crt> Pump my cone
2017-06-16T10:23:19 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nNRRUajY/IMG_0337.JPG
2017-06-16T10:23:24 < zyp> ohsix, don't doubt it
2017-06-16T10:24:30 < crt> little help here?
2017-06-16T10:24:34 < zyp> when I wrote my own label generator to speed up the process of packing/shipping stuff, I just declare everything as "hobby electronics"
2017-06-16T10:24:35 < ohsix> it might have made sense when it started in chinese, but 'joint'/extension/line is the only surviving part
2017-06-16T10:24:55 < crt> i declare this paid activity as pumping
2017-06-16T10:24:57 < ohsix> nice, did you use postscript or anything
2017-06-16T10:25:07 < zyp> html
2017-06-16T10:25:14 < ohsix> or tex, i need to do a nerd (not business) card to get contact info out
2017-06-16T10:25:33 < crt> start your own company, $3,50 an hour is awesome
2017-06-16T10:25:47 < ohsix> h3h
2017-06-16T10:25:59 < ohsix> last 2 hours of junk i did was drink someone elses beer and work on their laptop
2017-06-16T10:26:11 < zyp> I made some web shit to collect orders and make me a list of them where I can keep track of which ones are paid and shipped and shit
2017-06-16T10:26:11 < ohsix> not a bad gig, supports my tiny hamburger habit
2017-06-16T10:26:33 < ohsix> zyp: ah nice
2017-06-16T10:26:45 < ohsix> that's probably something you could sell hehe
2017-06-16T10:26:52 < zyp> and then I just hit a button to bring up a page with shipping labels for all paid unshipped orders, with css to break it into pages that fit the size of labels I use
2017-06-16T10:26:59 < ohsix> there's junk that does it but it's part of this massive other thing
2017-06-16T10:29:13 < zyp> right now the order form part is some simple shit with a line for each product I have and people just enter quantity
2017-06-16T10:29:30 < zyp> but it's designed to be extended into a store/cart system in the future
2017-06-16T10:29:39 < crt> nice mr z
2017-06-16T10:30:01 < ohsix> heh today i was at a pals hosue and his cable was out, i did a little reverse engineering of the modem he had when i got mine
2017-06-16T10:30:05 < crt> i'd have a shop but i can't find an autist to pay
2017-06-16T10:30:25 < crt> as in online shop
2017-06-16T10:30:36 < zyp> I just haven't bothered yet, main reason I made it was so I could integrate it with label generation
2017-06-16T10:30:42 < ohsix> told him about all the crap i'd found and what i found ins ome of the binaries and stuff ... he just used chrome devtools and the debugger to skip some hiding page shit
2017-06-16T10:30:51 < ohsix> i'm web dumb, it was super neat
2017-06-16T10:30:54 < ohsix> synergies
2017-06-16T10:31:02 < zyp> before this, I just had a google form that fed into a gdocs spreadsheet
2017-06-16T10:31:17 < zyp> and then I manually grabbed info out of that to make labels
2017-06-16T10:31:45 < ohsix> do you have letter sized paper with peel off stickers or wut
2017-06-16T10:32:09 < zyp> no, I have a QL-1060N
2017-06-16T10:32:26 < ohsix> been thinking a little how to do some inventory at the shop, but if i have to buy a bunch of supplies it's probably a nonstarter, already have barcode reader tho
2017-06-16T10:32:44 < ohsix> wah nice
2017-06-16T10:32:53 < ohsix> heh you're doing a lot more business than i would have guessed
2017-06-16T10:33:28 < zyp> I had a QL-700 before, doing one label for recipient addr and one label for customs declaration
2017-06-16T10:34:03 < ohsix> hm
2017-06-16T10:34:22 < ohsix> how do you do the customs declaration, you file it yourself or you register the label then fill it out?
2017-06-16T10:34:26 < zyp> and then I started doing batch shipping shit, so I came to a point where I were sticking five different things onto each shipment
2017-06-16T10:34:55 < zyp> so I got tired of that, got the printer that can do 100mm tall labels and made a template to fit everything on one label
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2017-06-16T10:35:16 < zyp> customs declaration is only a CN22 form
2017-06-16T10:35:24 < ohsix> that i was writing on a label and someone was reading it and typing it into a computer weirded me out
2017-06-16T10:35:41 < ohsix> oh hah
2017-06-16T10:35:46 < ohsix> i thought the cn meant china
2017-06-16T10:36:11 < zyp> my impression is that nobody gives much of a shit about CN22
2017-06-16T10:36:21 < ohsix> ok i see, the form i filled out today seemed to have something to do with usps taking it and handling it, not just the declaration
2017-06-16T10:36:30 < zyp> that might be a CN23
2017-06-16T10:36:45 < ohsix> yep
2017-06-16T10:36:49 < zyp> CN23 is a more involved shit, used for larger/more valuable stuff
2017-06-16T10:37:04 < ohsix> is this shit just common convention or, what standards body/trade org comes up with that stuff
2017-06-16T10:38:05 < rajkosto> CN22 is required for cross country stuff
2017-06-16T10:38:05 < zyp> idk
2017-06-16T10:38:13 < rajkosto> is not just chyna
2017-06-16T10:38:17 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-16T10:38:28 < ohsix> werd
2017-06-16T10:38:47 < ohsix> i get to visit some factory that makes connectors and shit in bend & has decent volume on digikey and shit
2017-06-16T10:38:56 < zyp> I think the CN stands for Customs Notification or something like that
2017-06-16T10:39:03 < ohsix> randomly ended up in a thing i did, it was funny when they visited us; 'i bet we made that' and they did
2017-06-16T10:39:19 < ohsix> friend is doing some design stuff on one of their connectors to make it less shit in a specific way
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2017-06-16T10:40:01 < ohsix> that digression is sponsored by my need to sleep soon or i'll miss it
2017-06-16T10:40:04 < ohsix> hehe
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2017-06-16T10:41:43 < ohsix> i'm kinda just hanging out there & using the equipment and get some work occasionally, it's nice. hearing other people talk you up is awesome after living in a cave for ages
2017-06-16T10:42:15 < zyp> I talked to some guys in the work cafeteria the other day, mentioned the old company I used to work for
2017-06-16T10:42:56 < zyp> guy across the table said "yeah, I'm their customer"
2017-06-16T10:43:21 < zyp> "oh, I'm the one who designed the stuff you're buying from them"
2017-06-16T10:43:51 < ohsix> that's awesome
2017-06-16T10:44:12 < zyp> hmm, speaking of that, I have an even better story
2017-06-16T10:44:18 < ohsix> ya i'm sure some of this is totally a normal experience when you actually work somewhere, but it's new to me and i like it
2017-06-16T10:44:59 < zyp> couple of years ago, I were in korea for work
2017-06-16T10:45:00 < ohsix> i've eaten at this one place like 70 times now and they know what i order and i roll in and shit, everyones cool
2017-06-16T10:45:49 < zyp> sitting in a basement at LG R&D or something like that, and a guy comments "oh, you have a nexus 4? *points* that guy made it"
2017-06-16T10:46:19 < rajkosto> blame him for all the shit
2017-06-16T10:46:42 < zyp> yeah, he were like "now's your chance to complain"
2017-06-16T10:47:01 < ohsix> haha
2017-06-16T10:47:02 < Steffanx> Your few minutes are waaay longer than mine ohsix  :P
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2017-06-16T10:47:51 < zyp> I didn't really have any complaints though, I was really happy with my nexus 4
2017-06-16T10:48:19 < ohsix> Steffanx: fair enough, i'm keeping that in mind still whenever i say something; it was just so stupid & irc was the only place to dump it the few minutes i had between shit
2017-06-16T10:50:17 < ohsix> i'm not getting a lot of money from there, but i am getting a lot of benefit hehe, i'm in a lot of the meetings (just by being in that room, and as a participant sometimes) and they're talking with local biz all the time and the board of the space, which handles a lot of communication with the schools and the initiatives for grants for education and science and shit in oregon
2017-06-16T10:50:54 < ohsix> it's probably totally boring and normal but i think it's awesome
2017-06-16T10:52:22 < ohsix> got in the paper once or twice for some unrelated but adjacent volunteer work and some other stuff, it's a small town; and the people that are moving in are expats from silicon valley and shit
2017-06-16T10:53:01 < ohsix> got the perfect seat to _not_ hate it happening, as long as they don't develop out here and raise the property value enough to shut me out ;]
2017-06-16T10:53:29 < ohsix> oof got some shit to do beforei go to sleep, later
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2017-06-16T11:48:21 < dongs> zyp: no, it wasnt. anyway, solved
2017-06-16T11:49:26 < Thorn> http://monster6502.com/
2017-06-16T11:50:24 < dongs> zyp, my airmail labels are some 2x6 A4 thing that are peelable, so i just made a .pdf form and copypaste those, also allows me to use less of a sheet at once just by filling needed boxes. CN22 form is A5 sheet  that splits into 4, also made a laser template for it. EMS labels I have a proper dotmatrix and some jappu label printing software
2017-06-16T11:52:25 < crt> Dongtech
2017-06-16T11:58:28 < dongs> Gary, Python Software Engineer at ARM and 9 other jobs for you.
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2017-06-16T12:14:15 < maxzor> Hi, would you link what u think is the best resource to learn about the basics of stm32? Clocking/HSE/PLL/prescalers, bus matrices? Anything novice-friendlier than stm doc :) BR
2017-06-16T12:14:24 < dongs> reference manual
2017-06-16T12:14:27 < dongs> is pretty good
2017-06-16T12:14:31 < maxzor> yes
2017-06-16T12:15:46 < maxzor> but something that has been written to be pleasant to read? blog posts, specialised articles?
2017-06-16T12:15:48 < Thorn> there are several tutorial style appnotes about DMA and timers
2017-06-16T12:16:38 < maxzor> actually i found official doc for timers ok
2017-06-16T12:16:38 < Thorn> there are tons of blog posts, most are like "here is a piece of PWM code that finally works, no explanation"
2017-06-16T12:17:16 < maxzor> exactly
2017-06-16T12:18:05 < maxzor> for DMA and APHB, buses, I am desperately looking for some read giving sound background, as explaining for a complete beginner
2017-06-16T12:19:46 < Thorn> if you want to learn to think like an embedded developer (not ARM specific), see http://www.ganssle.com/articles-subj.htm and http://www.ganssle.com/tem-back.htm
2017-06-16T12:25:17 < Thorn> for DMA, see AN4104 and AN4031
2017-06-16T12:25:21 < maxzor> Thank you. My "graal" would be some paper linking clocks, compute units and buses, something not utterly technical, but rather doing a great job at a synthesis of the main components of the system and their interactions.
2017-06-16T12:26:49 < zyp> reference manual and experimentation
2017-06-16T12:27:53 < Thorn> and some electronics knowledge, because embedded design is never about software alone, especially when timers and low power are involved
2017-06-16T12:29:00 < maxzor> yes, I guess what I am missing is "just" a course about SoC design.
2017-06-16T12:29:03 < maxzor> thanks
2017-06-16T12:30:15 < ohsix> ReadError: that ice maker is _such a crap_, it is still working, but the pump started making brushless-fan-dying noises 2 months ago, and recently the outer case cooling one started doing it
2017-06-16T12:30:29 < ohsix> i've never seen a brushless fan or pump cheap enough to not last a year
2017-06-16T12:31:31 < ohsix> peace outside
2017-06-16T12:32:09 < Thorn> maxzor: you can take a look at bus specifications (ihi0024b and ihi0033a)
2017-06-16T12:33:29 < Thorn> and of course Joseph Yiu books / PM0214 and PM0215 / Cortex-M ARM and TRM / ARM appnotes etc.
2017-06-16T12:33:42 < Thorn> should be enough for a few years of study lol
2017-06-16T12:37:41 < crt> Hello, welcome!
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2017-06-16T13:02:35 < ReadError> that sux
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2017-06-16T13:07:16 < crt> THE STINK BOX
2017-06-16T13:20:12 < rajkosto> how do you determine the adc num of cycles
2017-06-16T13:23:20 < Steffanx> Have room crt?
2017-06-16T13:23:31 < crt> have condom.
2017-06-16T13:23:34 < crt> have ky.
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2017-06-16T13:43:40 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ICPCe20FI
2017-06-16T13:45:16 < zyp> nice test jigs
2017-06-16T13:45:28 < crt> hnn
2017-06-16T13:45:33 < crt> anton
2017-06-16T13:47:45 < crt> serious dogs in this circuit
2017-06-16T13:48:41 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iJ90DlCk/IMG_0308.JPG
2017-06-16T13:48:47 < crt> 1/2 field failures
2017-06-16T13:48:48 < rajkosto> why do i get this warning: format '%u' expects argument of type 'unsigned int', but argument 3 has type 'uint32_t {aka long unsigned int}'
2017-06-16T13:49:22 < rajkosto> isnt unsigned int a 32bit unsigned int aka uint32_t
2017-06-16T13:49:26 < zyp> because you're using %u and not %lu
2017-06-16T13:49:59 < rajkosto> but
2017-06-16T13:50:03 < rajkosto> theyre the smae size
2017-06-16T13:50:07 < rajkosto> this isnt a 16bit cpu
2017-06-16T13:50:26 < dongs> gcc faggotware
2017-06-16T13:51:10 < BrainDamage> int is only guaranteed to be _at least_ 16 bit, it's size is completely arbitrary dependent on the compiler, don't rely on it
2017-06-16T13:51:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KkHgmjz.jpg
2017-06-16T13:51:36 < BrainDamage> noice, your work?
2017-06-16T13:51:52 < dongs> i wish. uploaded :dec21 2015
2017-06-16T13:52:18 < crt> zano
2017-06-16T13:54:14 < dongs> zyp, if I wanted to have a scaled LCD preview and a 1:1 one (without wasting space on the scaled one), what do?
2017-06-16T13:54:34 < zyp> same shit as I did?
2017-06-16T13:54:56 < dongs> but yours was covering part of scaled pic
2017-06-16T13:55:33 < zyp> hang on, let me dig out this shit again
2017-06-16T13:56:46 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/CDocU <- line 9 sets window size, line 29 renders full scale shit, line 30 renders 1:1 shit
2017-06-16T13:56:46 < dongs> hm i guess its some combination of agruments to SDL_RenderCopy?
2017-06-16T13:57:13 < zyp> I guess just make the window large enough to fit both, then give both render calls areas that doesn't overlap
2017-06-16T13:57:17 < dongs> right, but yours draws in teh corner of the shit
2017-06-16T13:57:18 < dongs> yeah ok
2017-06-16T13:57:37 < zyp> the p struct is what sets the size/location of the one in the corner
2017-06-16T13:57:45 < zyp> otherwise shit defaults to fill the entire window
2017-06-16T13:57:54 < dongs> yep. got it, that'll work
2017-06-16T13:59:32 < zyp> maybe you'll want to drop SDL_WINDOW_RESIZABLE if you hardcode the w/h of the scaled copy, since it won't follow the window size anymore
2017-06-16T13:59:54 < dongs> yeah, i m already setting hard dimensions when doing rotate
2017-06-16T14:00:04 < dongs> so it rescales 240x320 or 320x240 etc
2017-06-16T14:00:18 < zyp> ah
2017-06-16T14:00:31 < dongs> and, i trash + remake texture
2017-06-16T14:00:40 < dongs> and funny thing: it needs at least a couple loops of SDL event loop
2017-06-16T14:00:44 < dongs> or else draw of that texture silently fails
2017-06-16T14:01:13 < dongs> SDL_DestroyTexture(texture); / SDL_CreateTexture() with new width/height
2017-06-16T14:02:01 < zyp> heh
2017-06-16T14:02:51 < crt> sup st
2017-06-16T14:02:52 < crt> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/29/b5/09/82/81/e5/44/f1/CD00222440.pdf/files/CD00222440.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00222440.pdf
2017-06-16T14:02:58 < crt>  \o/
2017-06-16T14:03:26 < dongs> not available in cerdip, fuck off
2017-06-16T14:03:41 < zyp> I got some st spam the other day about "door zone controllers"
2017-06-16T14:04:33 < zyp> chip with a bunch of drivers/IO for anything you'd find in a typical car door
2017-06-16T14:04:36 < zyp> oddly specific
2017-06-16T14:04:36 < fest> anyone know if ST sells this in small qty: http://www.st.com/en/imaging-and-photonics-solutions/vl53l1.html ?
2017-06-16T14:04:44 < dongs> with CAN of course?
2017-06-16T14:04:50 < dongs> fest, yes
2017-06-16T14:04:55 < dongs> i have 30 on my desk
2017-06-16T14:04:58 < zyp> CAN and LIN transceiver, yes
2017-06-16T14:05:13 < dongs> tho we're not gonna use it
2017-06-16T14:05:15 < fest> dongs: where did you buy them?
2017-06-16T14:05:23 < dongs> fest: avent samples
2017-06-16T14:05:31 < dongs> AVNET rather
2017-06-16T14:05:52 < fest> why decided not to use those?
2017-06-16T14:06:12 < dongs> bceause these clowns just needed approximate range and ALS
2017-06-16T14:06:18 < dongs> so they dont need a $5 sensor
2017-06-16T14:06:25 < dongs> and that one doesnt do als either
2017-06-16T14:06:30 < dongs> so I told them to get some vishay shit instead
2017-06-16T14:06:49 < dongs> i also seem to have cocked up the pcb for this thing
2017-06-16T14:06:55 < dongs> when it soldered on, it jsut heats :p
2017-06-16T14:06:57 < Thorn> progress docking in progress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2017-06-16T14:07:26 < fest> dongs: thanks, will try avnet
2017-06-16T14:08:55 < dongs> oh fucking hell
2017-06-16T14:08:57 < dongs> i see what i fucked up
2017-06-16T14:09:02 < dongs> i have AVSSVCSEL going to VCC
2017-06-16T14:09:06 < dongs> instead of.. VSS
2017-06-16T14:10:37 < dongs> hm easy to fix but fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk so lazy.
2017-06-16T14:12:09 < dongs> fuck ST for calling those pins such retard names
2017-06-16T14:12:29 < zyp> analog VSS for VCSEL block?
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2017-06-16T14:12:53 < dongs> theres AVDD, AVDDVCSEL, so I just read this AVSSVCSEL shit and thought it goes there too
2017-06-16T14:13:11 < zyp> hehe
2017-06-16T14:13:18 < zyp> fuckups happens
2017-06-16T14:13:28 < dongs> these are also pretty much one-time reflow only
2017-06-16T14:13:34 < dongs> there';s some fucking laser lens and wahtever shit on them
2017-06-16T14:13:41 < dongs> even 250C hotair just melts t he crap
2017-06-16T14:13:47 < Thorn> but dongs never fucks up
2017-06-16T14:13:51 < fest> the trick is to heat the bottom of pcb
2017-06-16T14:14:02 < dongs> fest, that works if there's nothing on the back
2017-06-16T14:14:08 < fest> I've reused some vl53l0x's
2017-06-16T14:14:16 < fest> well, let that crap melt
2017-06-16T14:14:29 < dongs> does it still work after?
2017-06-16T14:14:35 < fest> jup
2017-06-16T14:14:58 < fest> not that I'd bet my life on it
2017-06-16T14:15:04 < fest> but fine for prototyping
2017-06-16T14:15:14 < dongs> right
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2017-06-16T14:21:24 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-06-16T14:22:11 < hetii> Is there some usb software stack for stm32 without hardware usb interface, something like v-usb for AVR?
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2017-06-16T14:22:53 < Thorn> why would anyone do that
2017-06-16T14:23:58 < hetii> Well some stm32 f0 don`t have hardware usb and if its possible to have such functionality then why not.
2017-06-16T14:24:21 < dongs> hetii: no.
2017-06-16T14:24:27 < dongs> some shithead made one for some kinetis shit f0
2017-06-16T14:24:27 < Thorn> http://tsenki-htlive.cdn.ngenix.net/live/_definst_/tsenkitv.sdp/playlist.m3u8
2017-06-16T14:24:29 < dongs> bitbanging
2017-06-16T14:24:30 < dongs> just dont.
2017-06-16T14:25:19 < hetii> egg
2017-06-16T14:25:19 < qyx> I should bitbang gigabit ethernet
2017-06-16T14:25:51 < qyx> but honestly I don't know if it is doable on F0
2017-06-16T14:25:55 < rajkosto> hetii, stm32plus lib has some limited usb for f0
2017-06-16T14:26:02 < dongs> ..
2017-06-16T14:26:04 < dongs> waht
2017-06-16T14:26:08 < dongs> rajkosto: hes talking about software usb'
2017-06-16T14:26:12 < dongs> not using the peripheral
2017-06-16T14:26:26 < dongs> even a fucking $0.30 f0 probably has usb. jsut stop being a cheap cunt
2017-06-16T14:26:34 < crt> fuckin cunts
2017-06-16T14:26:48 < crt> why the fuck are niggers put in charge of engineering design?
2017-06-16T14:26:52 < hetii> dongs, its not a point of price.
2017-06-16T14:27:00 < Thorn> I think f0 with USB starts at ~$1
2017-06-16T14:27:06 < dongs> hetii, its surely not a point of "it can be done, it should be"
2017-06-16T14:27:13 < crt> sick of incompetent fucks
2017-06-16T14:29:35 < hetii> as I said, its not a point of price, in fact never was. I just want to use stuff that I have already and not buy the new one when not needed.
2017-06-16T14:29:37 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3ZK0ckqv/meow.jpg
2017-06-16T14:29:46 < crt> hetii: that is toilet
2017-06-16T14:29:51 < dongs> hetii, the problem here is that it is needed.
2017-06-16T14:30:01 < dongs> software USB is simply retarded, full stop.
2017-06-16T14:30:02 < Thorn> f072 discovery has usb
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2017-06-16T14:31:11 < BrainDamage> feel free to write one, see you in 6 months
2017-06-16T14:31:29 < dongs> like that guy who wrote sdram controller for stm32f103
2017-06-16T14:31:33 < dongs> just befuckingcause
2017-06-16T14:31:42 < dongs> "it has enough pins!!"
2017-06-16T14:31:49 < Thorn> not hardcore enough. take the avr emulator for cortex-m, run v-usb there
2017-06-16T14:32:35 < jpa-> i've sometimes thought about usb low-speed software usb for stm32.. would be pretty easy to do, but then again, why bother
2017-06-16T14:32:36 < dongs> there has been several dickstaters made with vusb
2017-06-16T14:32:50 < crt> fuck kickstarter
2017-06-16T14:32:55 < rajkosto> dongs, i want his controller
2017-06-16T14:33:00 < crt> punz
2017-06-16T14:33:08 < dongs> rajkosto: ?
2017-06-16T14:33:09 < BrainDamage> iirc some tarduinos even use vusb in place of the ftdi chip
2017-06-16T14:33:16 < rajkosto> but obv its useless if the ram doesnt end up mapped into the ARM address space
2017-06-16T14:33:28 < dongs> rajkosto: oh sdram?
2017-06-16T14:33:31 < dongs> no of course its not mapped
2017-06-16T14:33:34 < dongs> just dma/buffer access
2017-06-16T14:33:38 < dongs> shrug
2017-06-16T14:34:12 < rajkosto> is it hacky to get the bits out ?
2017-06-16T14:34:13 < Thorn> maybe you can intercept accesses using mpu
2017-06-16T14:34:22 < Thorn> lol
2017-06-16T14:34:30 < rajkosto> how can you even reach the timing needed for refreshes
2017-06-16T14:34:36 < dongs> rajkosto: nah the implementation was actualyl surprisingly neat
2017-06-16T14:34:50 < rajkosto> dongs, why am i getting all FF on spi
2017-06-16T14:34:52 < dongs> and even offered some pinout flexibility
2017-06-16T14:34:56 < jpa-> yeah, you can just pick an unimplemented part of address space and emulate the access in memfault handler.. 20+ cycles per each memory access
2017-06-16T14:35:14 < rajkosto> jpa-, still faster than a 8051
2017-06-16T14:35:14 < dongs> jpa, sounds good, you're emulating avr anyway
2017-06-16T14:35:16 < dongs> no big deal
2017-06-16T14:35:44 < dongs> rajkosto: peripheral power / clock is off, shit is pulled/shorted up, who knows
2017-06-16T14:35:55 < dongs> i think power off will read 0';s tho
2017-06-16T14:35:56 < rajkosto> if i touch gnd to MISO i get zeroes
2017-06-16T14:36:07 < dongs> wrong mode?
2017-06-16T14:36:16 < rajkosto> mode should... get something out
2017-06-16T14:36:31 < rajkosto> delayed by 1 bit or no
2017-06-16T14:36:37 < Thorn> 0xff = the slave is not responding
2017-06-16T14:36:44 < Thorn> is /CS active
2017-06-16T14:36:48 < dongs> KLART FOR EXPORT
2017-06-16T14:36:55 < rajkosto> i set it manually with gpio
2017-06-16T14:37:03 < dongs> thers another label i cant fuckign read
2017-06-16T14:37:23 < dongs> MISSYCKAD UTLAMNAD
2017-06-16T14:37:27 < dongs> any swede fucks?
2017-06-16T14:37:29 < dongs> what the shit does that mean
2017-06-16T14:37:39 < sterna> why are you having Swedish stuff?
2017-06-16T14:37:43 < zyp> failed delivery
2017-06-16T14:37:51 < dongs> sterna: i sent shit to an asshole and it came back
2017-06-16T14:38:01 < sterna> so, KLART FOR EXPORT means "Ready for export"
2017-06-16T14:38:09 < zyp> yes
2017-06-16T14:38:28 < zyp> MISSLYCKAD means failed
2017-06-16T14:38:28 < sterna> MYSSYCKAD UTLAMNAD should be failed delivery, as zyp said
2017-06-16T14:38:41 < Thorn> the progress has docked
2017-06-16T14:39:32 < crt> docked a dick
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2017-06-16T14:44:54 < jpa-> utlämna clearly means "package left outside in the rain"
2017-06-16T14:45:48 < crt> hi jpa
2017-06-16T14:46:37 < fest> damn avnet emea want to sell me a reel of 5000 vl53l1's
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2017-06-16T14:47:05 < crt> hi Laurenceb__
2017-06-16T14:47:15 < Laurenceb__> sup
2017-06-16T14:47:20 < crt> not much
2017-06-16T14:47:25 < crt> just working on the circuits
2017-06-16T14:47:32 < Laurenceb__> looks like builders used polyurethane blow foam
2017-06-16T14:47:35 < Laurenceb__> facepalming hard
2017-06-16T14:47:46 < Thorn> how many dead and missing
2017-06-16T14:49:23 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-16_13-49-17.png
2017-06-16T14:49:44 < rajkosto> why does it have such a gap between bytes
2017-06-16T14:49:47 < sync> so what about it Laurenceb__?
2017-06-16T14:50:39 < Laurenceb__> its very flammable
2017-06-16T14:51:46 < sync> that depends on how much bromine you put in it
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2017-06-16T14:53:35 < crt> put a few dogs in it
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2017-06-16T15:00:09 < crt> hmmmm
2017-06-16T15:06:09 < rajkosto> for 3-wire spi mode, i need to set it to SPI_CR1_BIDIMODE yeah ?
2017-06-16T15:08:16 < Thorn> no, bidi mode is half duplex over 1 data line iirc
2017-06-16T15:08:27 < rajkosto> yes, all over MOSI
2017-06-16T15:09:31 < Thorn> oh, 3 wires = /cs, clk and mosi, then yes
2017-06-16T15:09:44 < rajkosto> dongs, guess what the problem was
2017-06-16T15:14:09 < Steffanx> Hi englishman. Something made me think about you again 😇
2017-06-16T15:15:40 < BrainDamage> ↣ ?
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2017-06-16T15:21:00 < dongs> rajkosto: no idea, what was it
2017-06-16T15:21:12 < rajkosto> i thought the RW bit of the address was 0 for reads, 1 for writes
2017-06-16T15:21:16 < rajkosto> it was 1 for reads, 0 for writes
2017-06-16T15:21:19 < dongs> cool
2017-06-16T15:22:38 < crt> cool
2017-06-16T15:23:07 < Thorn> sounds like i2c
2017-06-16T15:23:13 < Thorn> what kind of slave is that
2017-06-16T15:23:42 < dongs> thorn, very common in spi devices
2017-06-16T15:23:44 < dongs> top bit is r /w bit
2017-06-16T15:23:46 < dongs> when addressing
2017-06-16T15:24:01 < Thorn> never seen that
2017-06-16T15:25:21 < rajkosto> dunno why i thought it was like it was, probably because in RW the R comes first so i thoguth that was 0
2017-06-16T15:29:08 < dongs> Thorn: seen in several devices Ive worked with
2017-06-16T15:29:22 < dongs> #define BIT_READ_TXN    (1 << 7)
2017-06-16T15:29:23 < dongs> #define BIT_MEMORY_INC  (1 << 6)
2017-06-16T15:29:30 < dongs> some random accelerometer i did last month -ish
2017-06-16T15:29:45 < dongs> that one had a bit for auto-increment when reading as well as read/write bit
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2017-06-16T15:30:11 < dongs> so my readreg() for it was     spiTransfer(BIT_READ_TXN | reg);
2017-06-16T15:30:29 < Thorn> and the remaining bits are the register address in the slave?
2017-06-16T15:30:31 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-16T15:30:36 < dongs> address in the SPI device
2017-06-16T15:30:44 < Thorn> okic
2017-06-16T15:30:52 < dongs> same thing was on 16bit-addressed thing as well, i just cant remember what it was
2017-06-16T15:34:34 < Thorn> iirc in nrf24l01+ the 1st byte is the command but the read register command is like 011x xxxx where the 5 lower bits are the address
2017-06-16T15:34:49 < Thorn> that way they can have more commands than just read and write
2017-06-16T15:35:10 < Thorn> but on;y 2^5 addresses
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2017-06-16T15:50:19 < crt> dickrement
2017-06-16T15:50:41 < kakimir> secks instructions
2017-06-16T15:50:55 < kakimir> you cat haunts me for sure crt
2017-06-16T15:51:04 < kakimir> all way from straua
2017-06-16T15:51:14 < crt> cat?
2017-06-16T15:51:17 < crt> what cat
2017-06-16T15:51:31 < kakimir> angry looking one
2017-06-16T15:51:39 < crt> link?
2017-06-16T15:52:32 < kakimir> 01:37 < kakimir> crt's cat found in the internets https://images.apina.biz/full/159737.jpg
2017-06-16T15:52:53 < crt> ah
2017-06-16T15:52:55 < crt> the crt
2017-06-16T15:53:03 < crt> where is your LED board again pls
2017-06-16T15:55:36 < englishman> Steffanx: 😎
2017-06-16T15:55:43 < crt> welcomeman
2017-06-16T15:56:01 < englishman> rajkosto: i'm guessing you are not using dma
2017-06-16T15:56:34 < rajkosto> its only a couple of bytes, interrupt would take more time than that
2017-06-16T15:57:29 < crt> i need litz wire
2017-06-16T15:57:38 < crt> who sells litz wire
2017-06-16T15:59:37 < englishman> find a nearby crashed drone and rob some from the motors
2017-06-16T16:00:14 < crt> hi
2017-06-16T16:00:18 < crt> welcome
2017-06-16T16:00:29 < crt> any cat pics?
2017-06-16T16:00:44 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Zp8CdLMc/IMG_0221.JPG
2017-06-16T16:00:49 < crt> hitler cat out playing with a possum
2017-06-16T16:01:37 < englishman> is that a wallaby
2017-06-16T16:01:44 < crt> possum
2017-06-16T16:01:46 < crt> brush tail
2017-06-16T16:01:50 < Laurenceb__> crt is going to jail in UK
2017-06-16T16:02:00 < Laurenceb__> like hitler dog guy
2017-06-16T16:02:30 < englishman> i have taken 11 shots at this marmotte now and missed it 11 times
2017-06-16T16:02:34 < englishman> might as well seppuku m8
2017-06-16T16:02:42 < Laurenceb__> also how come "have I got news for you" panel aren't in prison
2017-06-16T16:03:03 < englishman> Laurenceb__, what is wrong with polyurethane foam, its used everywhere
2017-06-16T16:03:07 < Laurenceb__> with their hitler cat thing
2017-06-16T16:03:16 < Laurenceb__> englishman: it's v flammable
2017-06-16T16:03:27 < crt> ^
2017-06-16T16:03:32 < Laurenceb__> I was doing renovation a few years ago
2017-06-16T16:03:53 < Laurenceb__> we had to use fire retardent blow foam
2017-06-16T16:04:15 < englishman> yea
2017-06-16T16:04:28 < englishman> dont you just get the one marked [x] wont burn your house down
2017-06-16T16:04:49 < crt> yeah muscles
2017-06-16T16:05:05 < crt> retardent ?
2017-06-16T16:05:10 < crt> retardant
2017-06-16T16:05:17 < crt> :<>
2017-06-16T16:05:36 < englishman> the canned stuff is flammable when spraying it
2017-06-16T16:05:40 < englishman> but its flammable after too?
2017-06-16T16:05:43 < englishman> and the pro stuff?
2017-06-16T16:05:44 < englishman> wat.
2017-06-16T16:06:13 < crt> nice big cock
2017-06-16T16:06:23 < sync> not really englishman if you use the right stuff
2017-06-16T16:06:37 < sync> but even then, lotsa insulation is being done with pure PS foam blocks
2017-06-16T16:06:43 < sync> that will burn
2017-06-16T16:07:12 < englishman> polystyrene?
2017-06-16T16:07:13 < crt> polyethylene vs polypropylene
2017-06-16T16:07:18 < crt> which is better
2017-06-16T16:07:22 < crt> for flames
2017-06-16T16:07:58 < englishman> should i try conformal coating this pcb with clear enamel spraypaint
2017-06-16T16:08:04 < crt> yeah
2017-06-16T16:08:04 < sync> no
2017-06-16T16:08:08 < crt> shh
2017-06-16T16:08:20 < englishman> or clear polyurethane
2017-06-16T16:08:21 < dongs> why tehe fuck sourcetree is ignoring .dll file b y default
2017-06-16T16:08:31 < sync> yes polystyrene englishman
2017-06-16T16:08:41 < crt> dongs i knew this autistic cunt who though dll files were delete files
2017-06-16T16:08:48 < englishman> dont insulate your house with picnic cups
2017-06-16T16:08:54 < Thorn> >*source*tree
2017-06-16T16:08:54 < crt> or dog shit
2017-06-16T16:08:56 < Thorn> >dll
2017-06-16T16:09:00 < crt> cause it will smell when it burns down
2017-06-16T16:09:02 < englishman> haha
2017-06-16T16:09:47 < crt> where is gray cat sir
2017-06-16T16:09:55 < dongs> https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/SRCTREEWIN-3220
2017-06-16T16:09:59 < dongs> fucking autistic cunts
2017-06-16T16:10:01 < zyp> probably because .dlls are typically outputs
2017-06-16T16:10:05 < crt> ckicj?>
2017-06-16T16:10:30 < dongs> zyp, except trash like SDL
2017-06-16T16:10:58 < crt> Don’t Cast Aspergers on Me
2017-06-16T16:11:02 < englishman> Since 2013, the residents' organisation, Grenfell Action Group, had repeatedly expressed concern about fire safety, and had warned the block's management in November 2016 that only a catastrophic fire would finally force them to treat fire precautions and maintenance of fire-related systems properly.
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2017-06-16T16:11:09 < englishman> well they got what they asked for
2017-06-16T16:11:44 < englishman> ha 2 years old bug
2017-06-16T16:12:08 < dongs> englishman: wasnt that building just full of "refugees" anyway
2017-06-16T16:12:43 < englishman> i dono man, i heard the fire was started by muslims, but the radio was only talking to poor white people like Laurenceb__
2017-06-16T16:12:56 < englishman> you basically have to assume that muslims did it until they didnt
2017-06-16T16:13:20 < Laurenceb__> lul that tower looked like 100% muslims
2017-06-16T16:13:21 < englishman> "well ifs my home, ifs gon now, innit"
2017-06-16T16:13:27 < dongs> i thought it was the other way around
2017-06-16T16:13:39 < dongs> cuz building was full of muslims -> muslims recently attacked london -> someone got pissed off and burnedm uslimns
2017-06-16T16:13:40 < Laurenceb__> builders lied, immigrants died, nobody cried
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2017-06-16T16:14:29 < Laurenceb__> looking at newspaper photos it looks like GRP panels filled with brown polyurethane blow foam
2017-06-16T16:14:38 < englishman> "fridge caught on fire'
2017-06-16T16:14:52 < englishman> UK electronics man
2017-06-16T16:14:56 < englishman> improperly installed receptacle
2017-06-16T16:15:07 < englishman> buy a fridge and there's no plug on it
2017-06-16T16:16:22 < englishman> polyethylene, as reportedly used in Grenfell Tower (Reynobond PE), or a more fire-resistant material (Reynobond FR). According to The Telegraph, the Reynobond cladding used in Grenfell Tower cost £24 per square metre for the fireproof versions, and £22 for the flammable version — a saving of 1 part in 12 on the price.
2017-06-16T16:16:37 < englishman> the shekels = saved
2017-06-16T16:17:50 < dongs> jews, they did it
2017-06-16T16:18:02 < rajkosto> so how exactly do you respond to EXIT pins
2017-06-16T16:18:19 < zyp> by walking out the door
2017-06-16T16:18:20 < dongs> however you want, usually in interrupts
2017-06-16T16:18:25 < dongs> also that
2017-06-16T16:18:31 < rajkosto> EXTI ?
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2017-06-16T16:18:44 < englishman> in your ISR
2017-06-16T16:19:27 < dongs> the ones that share pins, you should check which one triggered it and act accordingly
2017-06-16T16:19:45 < rajkosto> in NVIC i only have EXTI line[9:5] interrupts
2017-06-16T16:19:51 < dongs> wut
2017-06-16T16:19:56 < englishman> no
2017-06-16T16:19:56 < dongs> and?
2017-06-16T16:21:46 < rajkosto> is that the one to enable
2017-06-16T16:22:16 < dongs> you enable whiehcever one you wanna look at
2017-06-16T16:22:45 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-16_15-22-37.png
2017-06-16T16:23:02 < dongs> is this some garbage f0
2017-06-16T16:23:09 < rajkosto> f103
2017-06-16T16:23:12 < dongs> ..
2017-06-16T16:23:33 < dongs> try scrolling that list???
2017-06-16T16:23:41 < englishman> only that exti is shown because you have only that interrupt enabled on your pin map
2017-06-16T16:23:46 < englishman> there is no need to enable other interrupts
2017-06-16T16:23:51 < dongs> oh
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2017-06-16T16:32:55 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wwom38dz/A905BAE8-EEDF-4D29-8EB4-B6DE8E7A2860-7538-0000075998E95D5F.JPG
2017-06-16T16:33:16 < dongs> is that budd dwyer about to off himself
2017-06-16T16:33:54 < dongs> yep, it is.
2017-06-16T16:34:14 < crt> just after the bullet did the work
2017-06-16T16:34:20 < crt> hey man, nice shot
2017-06-16T16:34:37 < crt> you know what
2017-06-16T16:35:01 < crt> if i ever wanted to off myself, i'd do it in front of a crowd of primary school children
2017-06-16T16:35:12 < crt> it'd affect them in ways they couldn't possibly imagine
2017-06-16T16:35:12 < dongs> that sounds very mean
2017-06-16T16:35:32 < dongs> isntead, off yourself by choking on your own cock
2017-06-16T16:35:40 < crt> i only got a little dick
2017-06-16T16:36:44 < crt> it'd be funny to chop it off and choke on it
2017-06-16T16:36:50 < crt> when high off crack
2017-06-16T16:36:51 < Steffanx> Crt...
2017-06-16T16:36:56 < crt> sup bro
2017-06-16T16:37:10 < Steffanx> This is not ##dongs
2017-06-16T16:37:18 < crt> i'm not going to kill myself
2017-06-16T16:37:24 < crt> it goes against my code of honour
2017-06-16T16:37:30 < crt> i'd never make my mother cry
2017-06-16T16:37:41 < Lux> do any of you guys have experience selling stuff with rechargable lithium batteries ?
2017-06-16T16:37:51 < crt> yeah hoverboards
2017-06-16T16:37:58 < crt> just do it through china,
2017-06-16T16:38:00 < Lux> like what regulations apply and what one has to to to not get sued
2017-06-16T16:38:08 < crt> fuck shit up, no consequence .
2017-06-16T16:38:14 < Lux> especially for selling in europe
2017-06-16T16:40:22 < crt> #dongs an empty can of soda | Dongs | #dongs | Eugene wants to buy BTC for sexual favors | Dongs | the Master Sword
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2017-06-16T16:40:24 < crt> WHAT THE
2017-06-16T16:40:25 < crt> FUCK
2017-06-16T16:40:44 < crt> senpai?!
2017-06-16T16:50:23 < karlp> anyone done any neat stuff with detecting power failure and saving things to eeprom?
2017-06-16T16:50:40 < karlp> is there any better trick than a big cap and a voltage divider on the raw Vin?
2017-06-16T16:50:49 < crt> capacitors
2017-06-16T16:53:56 < dongs> karlp: save to BKP ram w/rtc batt
2017-06-16T16:54:14 < dongs> or that zyp supercap
2017-06-16T16:54:18 < dongs> that lasts for days
2017-06-16T16:55:00 < karlp> yeah, but the detection itself.
2017-06-16T16:55:21 < dongs> oh right
2017-06-16T17:05:08 < crt> yes
2017-06-16T17:16:37 < zyp> karlp, my plan is just keeping state in backupsram in the first place so there's no saving
2017-06-16T17:17:08 < dongs> oh that works too
2017-06-16T17:17:17 < dongs> zyp, have you ever seen a usb3 power injector thing
2017-06-16T17:17:23 < zyp> no
2017-06-16T17:17:24 < dongs> i really dont wanna make a pcb for that shit
2017-06-16T17:17:36 < dongs> have uSB3 device that needs to be pwoered by somethign but something doesnt provide enough current
2017-06-16T17:17:46 < zyp> ah, that shit
2017-06-16T17:17:51 < zyp> did you try a powered hub yet?
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2017-06-16T17:18:21 < dongs> ah. hm. right. tho i think that will fail cuz there are specificalyl 2 USB sockets on the shit.
2017-06-16T17:18:26 < dongs> but yeah. i guess ill bring one next time im over.
2017-06-16T17:18:28 < dongs> t hanks <3
2017-06-16T17:20:03 < crt> suck me off
2017-06-16T17:25:48 < crt> WJAT TJE FUCK
2017-06-16T17:26:00 < crt> Provided predominantly in three-phase 500V voltage ranges, the size 1 singlephase plugs also have options in 250V and amperages from 10A to 20A
2017-06-16T17:26:05 < crt> AMPERAGES.
2017-06-16T17:26:18 < crt> http://updates.clipsal.com/ClipsalOnline/Files/Brochures/I0000112.pdf
2017-06-16T17:26:21 < crt> THESE CUNTS
2017-06-16T17:26:59 < crt> amperages.
2017-06-16T17:27:06 < crt> fucking what,
2017-06-16T17:27:24 < branjb> is that like an ohmage
2017-06-16T17:27:31 < crt> VOLTAGE
2017-06-16T17:27:33 < crt> OHMAGE
2017-06-16T17:27:36 < crt> AMERAGE
2017-06-16T17:27:40 < crt> INDUCTORAGE
2017-06-16T17:27:43 < crt> CAPACITAGE
2017-06-16T17:27:45 < crt> DUMAGE
2017-06-16T17:27:48 < crt> fucking
2017-06-16T17:27:50 < branjb> lol
2017-06-16T17:27:56 < crt> fuck this
2017-06-16T17:28:22 < crt> whats the fucking cyclage on your cpu
2017-06-16T17:28:32 < crt> the mippage
2017-06-16T17:28:47 < branjb> the sad thing is i've heard enough engineers lately say amperage that i always have to ask myself if i'm the dumb one
2017-06-16T17:28:49 < crt> dhrystonage
2017-06-16T17:30:13 < crt> yeah fuck this.
2017-06-16T17:30:19 < crt> i'm out (for tonight)
2017-06-16T17:33:55 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/6aTOSYe.jpg
2017-06-16T17:35:37 < c10ud^> last time I compiled the kernel for non-embedded stuff was, like, 10+ yrs ago
2017-06-16T17:38:39 < dongs> me too
2017-06-16T17:38:47 < dongs> i've used windows since '95
2017-06-16T17:38:56 < dongs> no need to compile anything
2017-06-16T17:40:06 < c10ud^> ahah
2017-06-16T17:40:45 < c10ud^> you don't innovate with arm+linux then
2017-06-16T17:41:01 < dongs> no innovation in that space
2017-06-16T17:42:35 < tpw_rules> karlp: microchip sells a chip that does that for you
2017-06-16T17:43:53 < dongs> not maxim?
2017-06-16T17:44:06 < tpw_rules> i mean maxim surely does too
2017-06-16T17:44:08 < zyp> why not both
2017-06-16T17:45:05 < tpw_rules> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/47C16
2017-06-16T17:45:09 < dongs> i heard you needed  a backup for your backup
2017-06-16T17:45:46 < dongs> The 47C16 EERAM has a 4.5-5.5V operating voltage range
2017-06-16T17:45:50 < dongs> utterly fucking useless
2017-06-16T17:45:52 < dongs> in 2017
2017-06-16T17:46:06 < tpw_rules> > doesn't use arduino
2017-06-16T17:47:41 < zyp> i2c ram is fairly useless too
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2017-06-16T17:48:40 < tpw_rules> i think it's supposed to be an eeprom with infinite cycles
2017-06-16T17:48:54 < zyp> yes
2017-06-16T17:49:33 < zyp> aren't fram chips in that form factor a better option for that nowadays though?
2017-06-16T17:49:47 < tpw_rules> i think these are way cheaper
2017-06-16T17:50:56 < englishman> a bit, but what's the point if you need a level shifter to use it with stm32
2017-06-16T17:51:12 < rajkosto> zyp, SPI ram tho ? balling.
2017-06-16T17:51:56 < tpw_rules> doesnt' like atmel have a patent on that
2017-06-16T17:52:10 < englishman> anyway i think he was talking about power loss detection and writeout while your supercap drains
2017-06-16T17:52:34 < zyp> yes
2017-06-16T17:53:13 < zyp> I know the old avr32 workthing I made a stm32 replacement for could do something like that
2017-06-16T17:53:35 < zyp> it had a couple of huge caps and could detect input loss before they discharged
2017-06-16T17:54:16 < zyp> that feature was not on the requirements list when I made a cheap stm32 replacement though
2017-06-16T17:54:39 < rajkosto> just use a voltage divider to the input voltage pin, use that to generate an interrupt
2017-06-16T17:55:04 < rajkosto> when the interrupt hits start saving, once youre done saving resume normal operation if power is back, otherwise power down
2017-06-16T17:55:24 < tpw_rules> i forget where but i read something a few weeks ago on doing that with radiation
2017-06-16T17:55:45 < tpw_rules> they got their main loop running in under 90ms and then just reset the processor at 10hz to offset the effect of cosmic rays
2017-06-16T18:03:00 < karlp> hrm, regulator says max output capacitance is only 47uF, not very long to stay alive on that
2017-06-16T18:04:44 < zyp> put it in front of the regulator then?
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2017-06-16T18:05:11 < BrainDamage> put a low drop shottcky diode
2017-06-16T18:05:25 < BrainDamage> there's diodes with ~150mV drops
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2017-06-16T18:12:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wXArRaJ.jpg found a bug
2017-06-16T18:13:27 < englishman> did he steal your PCIe lanes out of the new intel
2017-06-16T18:19:59 < Tectu> that´s not a bug that´s a nightmare
2017-06-16T18:20:07 < tpw_rules> what's a nightmare is your quotes
2017-06-16T18:20:14 < tpw_rules> make ascii great again
2017-06-16T18:20:25 < Tectu> heh :p
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2017-06-16T18:22:41 < englishman> hi tek-chu
2017-06-16T18:22:56 < Tectu> bon soir
2017-06-16T18:24:44 < englishman> how is the raclette harvest
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2017-06-16T20:08:02 < Steffanx> englishman do the ARROW guys tell you theyll call back which they dont?
2017-06-16T20:10:25 < englishman> no they have never made any promises
2017-06-16T20:10:31 < englishman> probably because they know they cannot be kept
2017-06-16T20:12:29 < Steffanx> Oh the dutchies didnt make it that far yet
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2017-06-16T20:36:52 < englishman> one of them tried to contact me in french tho
2017-06-16T20:36:56 < englishman> i shut him down quick
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2017-06-16T20:44:23 < BrainDamage> i tought canada was suppoed to be MULTICULTURAL
2017-06-16T20:44:29 < BrainDamage> where's your trudeauism
2017-06-16T20:45:18 < englishman> according to trudeau, islam is the only multiculturalism allowed
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2017-06-16T20:51:45 < Steffanx> Sounds familiar
2017-06-16T20:53:56 < upgrdman> so why is arrow being discussed? do they carry rare shit or something?
2017-06-16T20:54:13 < zyp> no, they just are shit
2017-06-16T20:54:29 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-16T20:54:36 < englishman> they are often cheaper than china, they take paypal, free shipping at $20
2017-06-16T20:54:37 < englishman> but
2017-06-16T20:54:43 < englishman> that's where it ends
2017-06-16T20:54:45 < BrainDamage> still better than UPS
2017-06-16T20:55:20 < BrainDamage> i haven't yet found a company i hate more than ups
2017-06-16T20:55:26 < englishman> oh
2017-06-16T20:55:26 < englishman> same
2017-06-16T20:55:44 < zyp> how about DHL?
2017-06-16T20:55:51 < englishman> <3 dhl
2017-06-16T20:56:01 < zyp> in my experience, UPS > fedex >>> DHL
2017-06-16T20:56:10 < BrainDamage> DHL won't lie trough their teeth about failed deliveries
2017-06-16T20:56:14 < englishman> my salesman learned english to better serve me
2017-06-16T20:56:42 < englishman> i have the floor manager's cell phone number
2017-06-16T20:56:51 < englishman> rates are 1/4th of fedex/ups
2017-06-16T20:56:56 < BrainDamage> "i haven't found anybody to deliver the package" in a building with a receptionist and 30+ people
2017-06-16T20:56:58 < englishman> 1-2 days to anywhere on earth
2017-06-16T20:57:00 < englishman> no complaints here
2017-06-16T20:57:18 < zyp> DHL here has a tendency of making up incorrect customs info
2017-06-16T20:57:29 < englishman> lol BrainDamage
2017-06-16T20:57:30 < zyp> leading to too much VAT being charged
2017-06-16T20:57:51 < englishman> "business was closed" lights on, door unlocked, i was on the 2nd floor
2017-06-16T20:58:26 < BrainDamage> and afterwards the fuckers wanted for me to drive 20+km to the dispatch center to fetch the package
2017-06-16T20:58:31 < englishman> doorbell with 2" tall text saying "PRESS FOR DELIVERY ----->" was unpressed
2017-06-16T20:58:44 < zyp> and if you complain they just answer «oh, sucks to be you, you still have to pay us and then go file a complaint with the tax authority if you want anything back»
2017-06-16T20:59:00 < BrainDamage> i literally phone them and told them to put a dildo up their ass and stop lieing to fake delivery stats
2017-06-16T20:59:24 < englishman> nice, havent had that issue yet tho
2017-06-16T21:00:07 < BrainDamage> now, that thing happened _ 3 times_
2017-06-16T21:01:19 < Steffanx> I use DHL for my waffle express service. Went pretty ok. It went well until beaver post had their hands on the waffles
2017-06-16T21:01:44 < zyp> Steffanx, but that's DHL light, right?
2017-06-16T21:01:51 < Steffanx> its DHL parcel something.
2017-06-16T21:01:52 < zyp> i.e. DHL mail or whateverthatis
2017-06-16T21:02:08 < Steffanx> DHL parcel.
2017-06-16T21:03:25 < englishman> dhl global mail
2017-06-16T21:03:31 < englishman> like ups mail innovations
2017-06-16T21:03:50 < englishman> although, canada post admits the latest 3 month chinapacket delays are entirely their fault
2017-06-16T21:04:13 < englishman> shit arrives via jet in 24h, sits in mississauga for 100 days
2017-06-16T21:04:33 < rajkosto> anyone knows if you can sync up the gyro with the acc in bmi055
2017-06-16T21:05:06 < BrainDamage> what do you mean "sync up", does it have a builtin filter or what?
2017-06-16T21:05:13 < rajkosto> it has a builtin filter yes
2017-06-16T21:05:24 < rajkosto> and there's an interrupt whenever new data arrives
2017-06-16T21:13:36 < rajkosto> the bmi160 has a timestamp along with each measurement
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2017-06-16T21:20:10 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-16_20-19-51.png this is really confusing too, the ODR is too high for the filter bandwdith ?
2017-06-16T21:33:48 < Laurenceb__> wut
2017-06-16T21:33:51 < Laurenceb__> looks sane to me
2017-06-16T21:34:07 < rajkosto> why is 2000hz needed for 230hz bandwidth ?
2017-06-16T21:34:13 < Laurenceb__> you want to oversample compared to the bandwidth
2017-06-16T21:34:23 < Laurenceb__> seems like a good choice to me
2017-06-16T21:34:34 < Laurenceb__> just under 10 times the bandwidth
2017-06-16T21:35:55 < rajkosto> what i can do to sync them is to read the stm32 cycle count when the accel vs when the gyro interrupt comes, and then modify the trigger time of the gyro
2017-06-16T21:36:08 < rajkosto>   seems like too much work tho
2017-06-16T21:36:20 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2017-06-16T21:36:38 < Laurenceb__> the way openpilot solved this was to run the sensors much faster than the EKF
2017-06-16T21:37:01 < Laurenceb__> then filter -> interpolate -> resample to align with the EKF iterations
2017-06-16T21:37:18 < Laurenceb__> invensense stuff has a clk input
2017-06-16T21:37:26 < Laurenceb__> but its otherwise a bit lame quality wise
2017-06-16T21:37:47 < rajkosto> if i run in 3-wire SPI mode i can use MISO as the trigger to the gyro
2017-06-16T21:38:10 < Laurenceb__> I had everything running with 125hz ekf on an F1
2017-06-16T21:38:19 < Laurenceb__> and 800hz or so sensor sample rate
2017-06-16T21:38:35 < Laurenceb__> all with soft float, surprisingly frast
2017-06-16T21:38:59 < rajkosto> dont wanna waste battery if the chip can filter for me
2017-06-16T21:46:13 < rajkosto> what i can do tho is use the interrupt for one, but set the other one to unfiltered and huge ODR, and have it write to FIFO, then empty out the FIFO and average that out
2017-06-16T21:49:18 < Laurenceb__> sounds like a recipe for lag
2017-06-16T21:52:56 < rajkosto> why ?
2017-06-16T21:53:42 < rajkosto> the other one will accumulate in the fifo until the interrupt for the first one hits, when it does, readout number of fifo entries and average them out,
2017-06-16T21:53:51 < rajkosto> what will probably happen tho is that on alternating interrupts it will have like 4 or 5
2017-06-16T22:14:25 < kakimir> recommend rj45 connector crimp tool
2017-06-16T22:15:52 < kakimir> chinacheap
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2017-06-16T22:50:59 < kakimir> did find good
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2017-06-16T22:59:00 < rajkosto> why stm32 usb documentation/samples/libraries suck ?
2017-06-16T23:00:28 < Fleck> thats like asking, why you suck? :D
2017-06-16T23:01:02 < rajkosto> wouldnt usb be the most used thing
2017-06-16T23:01:10 < rajkosto> and such lots of easy to use libraries/frameworks for it
2017-06-16T23:01:16 < rajkosto> but no theres only the awful crap stmcube generates
2017-06-16T23:02:49 < Thorn> when I was working on my usb stack I found about 4 existing ones to use as a reference
2017-06-16T23:04:08 < Thorn> the most popular alternative is in libopencm3/unicore-mx
2017-06-16T23:04:16 < englishman> rajkosto: https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-06-16T23:13:39 < Thorn> (but only libopencm3 implements host mode)
2017-06-16T23:20:55 < karlp> locm3 only implements _device_ mode.
2017-06-16T23:21:10 < karlp> unicore has some host stuff, or at least enough to get a keyboard working, as that's what kuldeep wanted
2017-06-16T23:22:09 < Thorn> oh well then that enormous github commit also contains the host mode lol.
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2017-06-17T00:03:56 < kuldeep> Thorn, :p
2017-06-17T00:04:32 < kuldeep> we have a usb host mode stack similar to API to libusb-1.0 (used on computer)
2017-06-17T00:24:48 < kuldeep> rajkosto, so, if you need usb device or usb host - let me know, i can help you. unicore-mx have both. and is much easier and hacker-friendly (imo) compared to ST lib's  [and yaa, runs on multiple uC's]
2017-06-17T00:26:09 < kuldeep> Thorn, why did you write your own usb library? anything specific reason?
2017-06-17T00:26:47 < Thorn> I needed something that works
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2017-06-17T00:27:07 < kuldeep> Thorn, and locm3/ucmx didnt work?
2017-06-17T00:28:30 < uniqdom> Hello, do you know if there is a function like millis() in Arduino, but provided by the HAL generated by stm32cubemx for stm32 devices?
2017-06-17T00:29:12 < kuldeep> uniqdom, just use a 32bit timer. that should be fine
2017-06-17T00:31:19 < kuldeep> that should work for like 2^32/(1000*60*60*24*30)   1 month before overflow
2017-06-17T00:33:23 < uniqdom> kuldeep: I just found HAL_getTick() function in file stm32f0xx_hal.c, I have done a paste here: https://pastebin.com/TWc0PS1b  line 295, That should work, right?
2017-06-17T00:34:05 < uniqdom> i will test it
2017-06-17T00:36:44 < uniqdom> seems to work. thanks for the overflow tip
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2017-06-17T00:42:40 < englishman> uniqdom: exactly that, at least on chips that have systick
2017-06-17T00:42:46 < englishman> (Which are most of them)
2017-06-17T00:43:19 < uniqdom> thanks
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2017-06-17T01:11:16 < englishman> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40309598
2017-06-17T01:11:19 < englishman> nice
2017-06-17T01:11:33 < englishman> there will still be a nice vacation country free of fat rude americans
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2017-06-17T01:37:38 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUBXRSK0osI
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2017-06-17T01:47:02 < Laurenceb__> crt I found a game 4you
2017-06-17T01:47:05 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUBXRSK0osI
2017-06-17T01:48:52 < crt> Ol
2017-06-17T01:49:26 < crt> Laurenceb__: is there an Elliot Rodger game
2017-06-17T01:50:52 < Laurenceb__> i hope so
2017-06-17T01:51:30 < crt> Where you find his glasses
2017-06-17T02:12:42 < Laurenceb__> http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/space.2017.29009.emu
2017-06-17T02:12:47 < Laurenceb__> not peer reviewed
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2017-06-17T02:18:27 < Laurenceb__> wew this is badly written
2017-06-17T02:18:45 < Laurenceb__> is Mr Musk good at anything apart from reality distortion fields
2017-06-17T02:21:40 < crt> Lol
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2017-06-17T02:22:23 < crt> Space dogs
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2017-06-17T02:23:48 < crt> It's fuckkin toilet!
2017-06-17T02:26:14 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jon1012, dieforirc, barometz, maenthrie, Kliment, scummos, rene-dev, ds2
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2017-06-17T02:29:37 < Laurenceb__>  It is the first time a rocket performance
2017-06-17T02:29:37 < Laurenceb__> bar will actually exceed the physical size of the rocket.
2017-06-17T02:29:44 < Laurenceb__>  > what is a graph scale
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2017-06-17T02:41:09 < Laurenceb__>  > water mining
2017-06-17T02:41:12 < Laurenceb__> good luck
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2017-06-17T02:52:23 < Laurenceb__> commander Elon here, I have good news and bad news
2017-06-17T02:52:38 < Laurenceb__> good news: I packed the Cyanide pills
2017-06-17T02:52:48 < Laurenceb__> bad news: the water mining failed
2017-06-17T03:04:01 < Thorn> so you'll have to take the pills rectally or something
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2017-06-17T03:11:13 < Laurenceb__> I'd be on literal cool-aid
2017-06-17T03:11:22 < Laurenceb__> *bet
2017-06-17T03:11:58 < Laurenceb__>  "The trickiest thing really is the energy source, which can be
2017-06-17T03:11:58 < Laurenceb__> done with a large field of solar panels"
2017-06-17T03:12:08 < Laurenceb__> reality distortion intensifies
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2017-06-17T03:31:35 < Thorn> a soviet probe failed on mars because of a dust storm
2017-06-17T03:34:06 < englishman> a soviet invasion of Finland failed because of a snow storm
2017-06-17T03:37:43 < englishman> crt: how much to repair these http://imgur.com/gallery/Rn0on
2017-06-17T03:44:13 < Laurenceb__> Musk confirmed as too lazy to read NASA PhD database
2017-06-17T03:44:35 < Laurenceb__> they opted for water harvesting using zeolite "curtains"
2017-06-17T03:44:57 < Laurenceb__> to suck it up from the atmosphere
2017-06-17T03:46:40 < Laurenceb__> zeolites are awesome
2017-06-17T03:47:20 < Laurenceb__> launching in 2022
2017-06-17T03:47:25 < Laurenceb__> wtf is Musk smoking
2017-06-17T03:47:44 < Laurenceb__> wait this is good news
2017-06-17T03:47:56 < Laurenceb__> Musk died in 2023, sparing us all his bullshit
2017-06-17T03:47:59 < Laurenceb__> *dies
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2017-06-17T03:57:44 < crt> englishman: fiddy buck
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2017-06-17T04:24:16 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8yrGTRED/IMG_0340.JPG
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2017-06-17T04:29:01 < crt> fix it? how about send it back
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2017-06-17T05:39:27 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jzoGnRm4/IMG_0341.JPG
2017-06-17T05:39:38 < crt> just kinda rocked up ayye
2017-06-17T05:42:04 < Streaker> That only happens if the capacitor was soldered in backwards
2017-06-17T06:06:55 < crt> took 3 years of sitting in a lounge room
2017-06-17T06:07:31 < crt> doing not much at all
2017-06-17T06:40:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> http://www.usb.org/developers/hidpage/Hut1_12v2.pdf document seems good for USB HID info
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2017-06-17T07:21:03 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/xvnvy7eq1z3z.jpg
2017-06-17T07:28:12 < englishman> hi, please take these low quality reddit repost shitchats to #freenode where they will be appreciated, thanks
2017-06-17T07:30:19 < upgrdman> any idea what caused this? https://imgur.com/VnWXy3f?r
2017-06-17T07:30:59 < englishman> did you read the thousands of reddit comments
2017-06-17T07:31:35 < englishman> where probably like 500 people asked and someone who was there when the video was taken in south africa 2003 chimed in and linked the police report
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2017-06-17T07:48:49 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/fySpEWa.gifv
2017-06-17T08:05:50 < ohsix> telnet mapscii.me
2017-06-17T08:19:34 < rajkosto> kuldeep, i mean even making stuff for the 8051 in FX2 was easier than this
2017-06-17T08:21:39 < kuldeep> rajkosto, ?
2017-06-17T08:23:11 < englishman> how so
2017-06-17T08:23:22 < englishman> last time i had a small hid project it was done in a couple hours
2017-06-17T08:23:23 < englishman> thanks to HAL
2017-06-17T08:23:44 < rajkosto> englishman, how add feature reports to that hid project ?
2017-06-17T08:23:45 < englishman> most of the time was figuring out HID itself since it was my first
2017-06-17T08:24:16 < rajkosto> its hardcoded to one interrupt in and one interrupt out endpoint
2017-06-17T08:24:27 < englishman> iirc it is single endpoint yes
2017-06-17T08:24:39 < rajkosto> so what happens when you need to make a composite device ?
2017-06-17T08:24:43 < rajkosto> whole thing is useless
2017-06-17T08:24:49 < englishman> you write some code?
2017-06-17T08:25:00 < englishman> sorry itl take more than 20 minutes to spin up your pro hardware
2017-06-17T08:25:14 < rajkosto> in FX2 i just needed to mess with the nice and clearly defined endpoint functions
2017-06-17T08:25:57 < rajkosto> upgrdman, related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdGARwipeQk
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2017-06-17T08:45:26 < rajkosto> libopencm3/unicore-mx seem to be equivalent, which one to use
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2017-06-17T08:52:26 < ohsix> huh upgrdman https://www.blender.org/user-stories/visual-effects-for-the-man-in-the-high-castle/
2017-06-17T08:52:55 < ohsix> it did look weird, not bad; but different
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2017-06-17T08:56:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, kinda tired. tl;dr?
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2017-06-17T09:04:03 < upgrdman> lol, hand warmer kickstarter   https://izhongchou.taobao.com/dreamdetail.htm?id=20048350
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2017-06-17T09:49:15 < crt> classic pumper
2017-06-17T09:52:23 < crt> can somebody give me a pump
2017-06-17T10:07:22 < ReadError> dongs:
2017-06-17T10:07:25 < ReadError> l0de did get banned
2017-06-17T10:07:26 < ReadError> lol
2017-06-17T10:08:07 < crt> wot
2017-06-17T10:08:09 < crt> banned from
2017-06-17T10:08:21 < crt> twitch is run by beta cucks
2017-06-17T10:08:37 < ReadError> twitch
2017-06-17T10:08:52 < ReadError> but earlier dongs was like "lol did l0de just get banned?"
2017-06-17T10:09:23 < zyp> who's l0de?
2017-06-17T10:10:02 < crt> the king of pumping
2017-06-17T10:10:09 < crt> senpai's mate
2017-06-17T10:17:08 < Steffanx> Boring internet radio/video streamer
2017-06-17T10:17:28 < Steffanx> Watched for like 2 minutes once..
2017-06-17T10:20:02 < zyp> rajkosto, clearly defined?
2017-06-17T10:20:07 < zyp> so less flexible?
2017-06-17T10:21:13 < crt> KRAP
2017-06-17T10:21:20 < phr3ak> how could I use DWT if the interrupt disabled ?
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2017-06-17T10:25:56 < PaulFertser> phr3ak: what's your usecase for DWT?
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2017-06-17T10:34:44 < phr3ak> debugging a firmware
2017-06-17T10:35:04 < phr3ak> anyways what is the planned usecase for it?
2017-06-17T10:36:12 < phr3ak> because if it doesn't work when the interrupts are disabled and the exception doesn't run after the interrupts enabled again then it is almost useless
2017-06-17T10:36:56 < PaulFertser> phr3ak: DWT is implemented on hardware level and I do not think it's coupled with exception handling anyhow.
2017-06-17T10:37:16 < PaulFertser> What makes you think it is?
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2017-06-17T10:40:30 < phr3ak> DWT generates debugmon exception
2017-06-17T10:40:40 < PaulFertser> Not necessarily, it has many different modes.
2017-06-17T10:41:21 < phr3ak> ok but I would like to use without any additional hw
2017-06-17T10:41:37 < PaulFertser> You can e.g. make it emit events to the TPIU which would pump the data out via SWO and you can capture and process that on a host computer, without any exceptions involved.
2017-06-17T10:42:22 < PaulFertser> So without an SWD debug interface? How do you imagine that, what exactly do you expect?
2017-06-17T10:44:53 < PaulFertser> You can capture SWO with a USB UART adapter.
2017-06-17T10:44:59 < PaulFertser> Or an LA
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2017-06-17T10:49:48 < phr3ak> I communicate with my debug code through usb
2017-06-17T10:50:03 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-06-17T10:50:14 < phr3ak> anyways it would be good but the problem is it looks like doesn't work if the code disables the interrupt
2017-06-17T10:50:14 < dongs> what's next, you're gonna printf() to serial?
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2017-06-17T10:56:38 < crt> no leds mate
2017-06-17T10:59:02 < crt> welcome r2
2017-06-17T10:59:27 < Steffanx> Hello! Welcome!
2017-06-17T11:07:59 < crt> have room.....
2017-06-17T11:08:09 < crt> what are you pumping on today r2?
2017-06-17T11:15:43 < rajkosto> zyp, no ? you could make any usb device you wanted, its just one ISR per endpoint and such
2017-06-17T11:21:42 < crt> yeah mate
2017-06-17T11:23:50 < crt> heroin?
2017-06-17T11:24:11 < Steffanx> Teapot.
2017-06-17T11:24:28 < crt> snuffers
2017-06-17T11:24:39 < crt> this is getting raw
2017-06-17T11:24:43 < Steffanx> Better sleep then
2017-06-17T11:24:53 < crt> someone is telling me ti is shit
2017-06-17T11:24:59 < crt> while shopping at aliexpress
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2017-06-17T11:26:54 < crt> dad
2017-06-17T11:27:54 < crt> my dad is in a little cardboard box
2017-06-17T11:28:02 < crt> did i ever tell you that story?
2017-06-17T11:28:11 < crt> he's dead
2017-06-17T11:28:18 < crt> so they burned his body up
2017-06-17T11:28:22 < crt> and gave us a box
2017-06-17T11:28:44 < crt> i think they call it cremation or something
2017-06-17T11:29:01 < crt> to be frank, when i die i hope the fucking ants eat me
2017-06-17T11:29:05 < crt> or homeless people
2017-06-17T11:29:25 < Steffanx> Crazy (R) Talk
2017-06-17T11:30:01 < crt> i don't
2017-06-17T11:30:14 < crt> nah
2017-06-17T11:30:17 < crt> don't work like that
2017-06-17T11:30:25 < crt> all those cryoniggers are fucked
2017-06-17T11:30:25 < Steffanx> My nightmare..
2017-06-17T11:30:25 < rajkosto> all your cells will be destroyed
2017-06-17T11:30:30 < crt> all their braintissue is fucked
2017-06-17T11:30:32 < crt> for a start
2017-06-17T11:30:32 < rajkosto> not really recoverable
2017-06-17T11:30:45 < rajkosto> space is REALLY COLD and the pressure is immense
2017-06-17T11:30:45 < crt> its already a dead tech
2017-06-17T11:30:46 < Steffanx> You dont know aliems rajkosto
2017-06-17T11:30:54 < rajkosto> Steffanx, are they quantum aliens like in AI ?
2017-06-17T11:31:01 < rajkosto> so they can revive his mom but only for one day ?!!?
2017-06-17T11:31:12 < Steffanx> Who knows. Never met them
2017-06-17T11:32:08 < rajkosto> but you arent recording right now
2017-06-17T11:32:37 < rajkosto> you will die, and you will finally be content
2017-06-17T11:32:38 < crt> i'm stoned
2017-06-17T11:34:15 < rajkosto> ENJOY PROLONGING YOUR MISERABLE EXISTENCE
2017-06-17T11:35:25 < rajkosto> a shame we will just all be wiped out in global nucular war by then
2017-06-17T11:35:25 < crt> lol
2017-06-17T11:35:30 < crt> are you on crack r2
2017-06-17T11:35:43 < rajkosto> R2COM, you are too optimistic
2017-06-17T11:35:50 < rajkosto> they will never let you do that
2017-06-17T11:35:59 < crt> i can't wait for the thermonuclear weapons to destroy this world
2017-06-17T11:36:00 < rajkosto>  THEY.
2017-06-17T11:36:19 < rajkosto> they wont let you have nice things
2017-06-17T11:36:58 < rajkosto> k brb
2017-06-17T11:37:24 < crt> yo
2017-06-17T11:37:45 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bN3JeJrG/nigger-rigger.jpg
2017-06-17T11:38:01 < rajkosto> what it do
2017-06-17T11:38:51 < crt> pumping
2017-06-17T11:40:59 < rajkosto> can you schedule more than one DMA burst at once for SPI ?
2017-06-17T11:41:53 < crt> only if you use keil
2017-06-17T11:41:56 < crt> or ask ohsix
2017-06-17T11:42:50 < crt> my stm32 dma knowledge is minimal
2017-06-17T11:43:35 < crt> nah that's senpai
2017-06-17T11:44:22 < crt> senpai is stm32 pro
2017-06-17T11:45:32 < crt> cool
2017-06-17T11:45:35 < crt> what are you making
2017-06-17T11:46:11 < crt> okay
2017-06-17T11:46:59 < crt> okay
2017-06-17T11:47:26 < crt> equations are my favourite
2017-06-17T11:48:29 < crt> yes
2017-06-17T11:48:33 < crt> the bjt
2017-06-17T11:48:50 < crt> not as wildly variable as a jfet
2017-06-17T11:48:57 < crt> but still
2017-06-17T11:49:29 < crt> did i show you the pig rig r2?
2017-06-17T11:49:49 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jzoGnRm4/IMG_0341.JPG
2017-06-17T11:50:46 < crt> nuh
2017-06-17T11:50:54 < crt> its a mess
2017-06-17T11:58:40 < crt> show me show me show me how you do that trick
2017-06-17T11:59:06 < crt> the one that makes me scream she said
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2017-06-17T14:25:07 < Rajko> protip: burst mode spi accesses dont work for writing BMI055 registers
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2017-06-17T15:36:38 < dongs> realistically how far can i stick rtc crystal away from stm. its like super slow anyawy right so trace length doesnt mean shit?
2017-06-17T15:37:25 < Rajko> capacitive loading increases as trace length increases
2017-06-17T15:37:29 < Rajko> dont exceed the limit for the crystal
2017-06-17T15:37:57 < dongs> oh right that shit
2017-06-17T15:38:04 < Rajko> it might affect the caps you need to place to gnd
2017-06-17T15:38:23 < dongs> AN2867 page 31
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2017-06-17T15:44:44 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/e296a067a3/24348.jpg
2017-06-17T15:45:47 < dongs> funny level: /pol/
2017-06-17T15:46:01 < dongs> a notch below any link off img.redd.it domain
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2017-06-17T16:14:04 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome!!
2017-06-17T16:18:06 < crt> Have room
2017-06-17T16:19:01 < ReadErr> listen here homeboy
2017-06-17T16:25:13 < crt> Full take care do everything?
2017-06-17T16:26:03 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/timecop1818 need a line check here
2017-06-17T16:26:11 < dongs> can one of you faggots tune in
2017-06-17T16:26:44 < Rajko> you should use beam.pro FTL mode so we arent 15s behind :P
2017-06-17T16:28:16 < Rajko> your text is unreadable btw, if you didnt have the something something header and altium was fullscree nti would be
2017-06-17T16:29:05 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-17T16:29:07 < dongs> that was jsut testing
2017-06-17T16:29:14 < Rajko> TAKING A SHIT
2017-06-17T16:29:40 < Rajko> anway wtf r u doing
2017-06-17T16:30:51 < dongs> refactoring a fucked up board
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2017-06-17T16:33:37 < crt> Bin
2017-06-17T16:49:54 < Steffanx> Ah, good old dongs music.
2017-06-17T16:51:21 < crt> Yeah
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2017-06-17T16:54:55 < crt> Sup Steffanx
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2017-06-17T17:06:53 < florolf> hi
2017-06-17T17:07:01 < dongs> nice nick
2017-06-17T17:09:12 < Rajko> covfefef ?
2017-06-17T17:09:37 < florolf> has anyone run across a sitation where the ADC in a f3 (f334, to be precise) triggered two EOC interrupts for a manually triggered regular conversion of one channel?
2017-06-17T17:10:03 < Rajko> are you sure its not one EOC and one EOS ?
2017-06-17T17:13:02 < florolf> i check for EOC and clear it by reading ADCx_DR in the isr
2017-06-17T17:13:42 < florolf> i cannot do too much tracing in the ISR because the effect disappears if it takes fractionally longer
2017-06-17T17:14:15 < florolf> let me condense it down a little and i'll dump my init code
2017-06-17T17:14:38 < englishman> oh! timecop is live
2017-06-17T17:15:05 < englishman> ReadErr:
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2017-06-17T17:17:42 < florolf> https://p.rrbone.net/paste/ccvtnCpS#ValGig
2017-06-17T17:18:09 < florolf> i do a ADC1_CR |= ADC_CR_ADSTART; and get stuff like
2017-06-17T17:18:14 < florolf> A676
2017-06-17T17:18:14 < florolf> A4048
2017-06-17T17:18:25 < florolf> the first value is about right, the second one is bogus
2017-06-17T17:18:36 < florolf> (both have some noise, though)
2017-06-17T17:19:23 < florolf> (the calls to external functions are libopencm3)
2017-06-17T17:19:42 < florolf> other than the usart-stuff, obviously
2017-06-17T17:20:11 < florolf> oh
2017-06-17T17:20:23 < florolf> L in SQR is offset by 1 m(
2017-06-17T17:20:45 < florolf> thanks everyone, you're excellent rubber ducks :D
2017-06-17T17:21:10 < dongs> well
2017-06-17T17:21:34 < dongs> englishman's apypal account is carl@gmail.com
2017-06-17T17:21:38 < dongs> i'm sure he'll be willing to help you
2017-06-17T17:22:12 < englishman> my bill is in the mail
2017-06-17T17:23:03 < englishman> is this stream on slomo
2017-06-17T17:23:12 < dongs> not that i knwo of
2017-06-17T17:23:16 < dongs> i just used dfault fucking settings
2017-06-17T17:23:39 < dongs> it said it was going to do 30/60fps @ 6mbit bitrate
2017-06-17T17:23:49 < dongs> also: i'm just autistic
2017-06-17T17:36:52 < Rajko> MULTIPLE QUEUED SPI DMA, HOW DO
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2017-06-17T17:52:38 < englishman> how does it take 30mins to route leds
2017-06-17T17:52:47 < dongs> its gonna take way longer.
2017-06-17T17:52:50 < englishman> wtf
2017-06-17T17:52:51 < dongs> im doing retarded pinswapping
2017-06-17T17:52:56 < englishman> how do you make money at this
2017-06-17T17:53:05 < dongs> billed by the hour :)
2017-06-17T17:53:08 < englishman> and buy multiple houses and have like 13 kids
2017-06-17T17:53:09 < englishman> haha
2017-06-17T17:53:35 < englishman> billed per bpm
2017-06-17T17:53:40 < Thorn> 10 leds with no transistors? how much current is that
2017-06-17T17:53:53 < dongs> its fine. they're some retarded sideview white leds.
2017-06-17T17:53:59 < dongs> the board already works.
2017-06-17T17:58:00 < branjb> why do all layout activities always involve techno
2017-06-17T17:58:35 < englishman> ^ found the amateur
2017-06-17T17:58:43 < branjb> does it lower the # of DRCs
2017-06-17T18:00:10 < Rajko> i am not able to layout a FPGA BGA256 and one DDR2 x16 chip
2017-06-17T18:00:44 < Rajko> its simply impossible on prototype 4 layer ?
2017-06-17T18:01:10 < englishman> how many layers on the reference design
2017-06-17T18:01:24 < Rajko> there isnt one
2017-06-17T18:01:29 < dongs> Rajko: uhh very possibly wat
2017-06-17T18:01:34 < dongs> allwhiner boards are all 4L
2017-06-17T18:01:41 < dongs> with DDR2/3 and SoC
2017-06-17T18:01:50 < Rajko> 6 layer
2017-06-17T18:02:09 < Rajko> and much tighter trace/via tolerances
2017-06-17T18:02:33 < englishman> well depending on bga pitch you won't have a choice with via sizes
2017-06-17T18:02:38 < Thorn> f746 discovery is 8 layer wtf
2017-06-17T18:02:45 < Rajko> 1mm pitch
2017-06-17T18:02:51 < dongs> Rajko: spartan 6 or someshit?
2017-06-17T18:02:52 < Rajko> so its all escapeable
2017-06-17T18:02:56 < dongs> 1mm is fuck off easy
2017-06-17T18:03:06 < Rajko> yeah, length match it to a ddr2 x16 chip then
2017-06-17T18:03:42 < Rajko> https://danstrother.com/2011/01/16/spartan-6-bga-test-board/ this guy had a hell of a time doing x8 with no byte select
2017-06-17T18:03:50 < Rajko> and didnt even follow up with "my board works"
2017-06-17T18:04:11 < Rajko> + didnt use most of the balls of the fpga, i would need to use pretty much all of them
2017-06-17T18:04:17 < dongs> wat
2017-06-17T18:04:25 < dongs> isnt there a hardware DDR memory controller
2017-06-17T18:04:28 < dongs> so you can only use specified balls
2017-06-17T18:04:31 < Rajko> yes
2017-06-17T18:04:32 < dongs> and those are setup so that routing is wz
2017-06-17T18:04:33 < dongs> ez
2017-06-17T18:04:34 < Rajko> he is using those specified balls
2017-06-17T18:04:39 < Rajko> nop
2017-06-17T18:05:15 < Rajko> i dont think his board works anyway because he used vias in the middle of signal paths and such
2017-06-17T18:05:27 < Rajko> youre supposed to keep one byte on one side
2017-06-17T18:06:04 < dongs> does whatever shit fpga you use have proper ddr termination resistors on die
2017-06-17T18:06:07 < dongs> or else youre fucked, too much shit
2017-06-17T18:06:11 < Rajko> it has them
2017-06-17T18:06:16 < dongs> then i dont see where the problem is
2017-06-17T18:06:18 < dongs> add that shit
2017-06-17T18:06:20 < Rajko> i just need to make p2p connection
2017-06-17T18:06:20 < dongs> place it somewhere close
2017-06-17T18:06:22 < dongs> hit autoroute
2017-06-17T18:06:27 < Rajko> autoroute TOP KEK
2017-06-17T18:06:28 < dongs> use xsignals and shit
2017-06-17T18:06:32 < Rajko> i am
2017-06-17T18:06:32 < dongs> to setup ddr rules
2017-06-17T18:06:36 < Rajko> none of this shit is feasible
2017-06-17T18:06:40 < dongs> bullshit
2017-06-17T18:06:43 < englishman> il do it, how much $ is in your paypal
2017-06-17T18:06:48 < Rajko> 3.5$
2017-06-17T18:07:00 < dongs> at $3.5 i'll do it in 10 years
2017-06-17T18:07:44 < englishman> i dont think you have the budget for ddr
2017-06-17T18:07:53 < dongs> heh
2017-06-17T18:07:53 < englishman> maybe start your project with an arduino uno
2017-06-17T18:07:58 < Rajko> my budget is 0$
2017-06-17T18:08:13 < Rajko> i want to mess around with fpga connected to some ram tho
2017-06-17T18:08:28 < dongs> get a lattice ecp5 pcie board
2017-06-17T18:08:29 < dongs> for $99
2017-06-17T18:08:34 < Rajko> TOO EXPENSIVE
2017-06-17T18:08:38 < dongs> $99 motherfucker
2017-06-17T18:08:41 < dongs> it normalyl goes for liek $500
2017-06-17T18:08:41 < Rajko> yes, too much
2017-06-17T18:08:48 < dongs> you get a fucking pcie-connected fpga
2017-06-17T18:08:52 < dongs> and ddr2 or 3
2017-06-17T18:08:54 < dongs> and a bunch of io
2017-06-17T18:08:58 < dongs> and ethernet phy (i think
2017-06-17T18:09:01 < Rajko> doesnt matter if i cant make it myself cheap
2017-06-17T18:09:06 < dongs> gl
2017-06-17T18:09:10 < dongs> that 4L board with ddr2 on it
2017-06-17T18:09:15 < dongs> + likelihood of you fucking up the pcb
2017-06-17T18:09:18 < dongs> etc
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2017-06-17T18:10:33 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-17_17-10-27.png lots of connections
2017-06-17T18:12:39 < dongs> cool
2017-06-17T18:13:06 < branjb> chinamen can do it, why can't you
2017-06-17T18:13:13 < Rajko> give me a chinaman to copy
2017-06-17T18:13:25 < branjb> what fgpa
2017-06-17T18:14:05 < dongs> its in screenshot
2017-06-17T18:15:42 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/XW66y
2017-06-17T18:16:07 < Rajko> yes, i found this
2017-06-17T18:16:08 < Rajko> how clone it
2017-06-17T18:16:28 < dongs> contact seller, ask for protel99 source files
2017-06-17T18:16:33 < branjb> email chinamen: "i give you 10 pesos for project files"
2017-06-17T18:16:33 < dongs> prepare to rage for hours
2017-06-17T18:16:49 < dongs> as altidumb 17 imports protel silkscreen layers as individual lines
2017-06-17T18:16:55 < dongs> as if they were gerbers
2017-06-17T18:16:59 < branjb> lol
2017-06-17T18:16:59 < dongs> for fills
2017-06-17T18:17:28 < Rajko> help computer :(
2017-06-17T18:17:45 < branjb> •Schematic and test program code (Ask customer service for download link)
2017-06-17T18:17:52 < branjb> ask customer service for layout download link
2017-06-17T18:17:53 < Rajko> schematic not layout
2017-06-17T18:18:01 < Rajko> they dont give layout, ever
2017-06-17T18:18:10 < Rajko> because then you can clone
2017-06-17T18:18:12 < branjb> some chinamen customer service getting paid $.20/hr doesn't care
2017-06-17T18:18:30 < Rajko> i actually asked once and talked to main guy through customer service
2017-06-17T18:18:45 < Rajko> i managed to get excel file with trace lengths
2017-06-17T18:18:47 < Rajko> which is what i wanted
2017-06-17T18:19:03 < branjb> lol
2017-06-17T18:19:07 < Rajko> i first asked for layout and he gave me it... after deleting all traces and remaining only the connectors
2017-06-17T18:19:26 < Rajko> guess he thought i needed to make a shield for it or something
2017-06-17T18:20:13 < branjb> just tell him you won't clone it
2017-06-17T18:20:54 < Rajko> the only other example i could ever find was this https://files.sshnuke.net/Altium_src_PCB_and_schematic.zip
2017-06-17T18:21:08 < aandrew> I wonder if an undo buffer or backup dir was included in the zip he gave you :-)
2017-06-17T18:21:24 < Rajko> but thats not for the same bga, and its for ddr3, and he routes shit on the inner layers, and its just weird all around
2017-06-17T18:21:39 < dongs> Rajko: then ask agasin
2017-06-17T18:21:40 < dongs> again
2017-06-17T18:23:09 < branjb> email fpga or ddr customer support
2017-06-17T18:23:15 < branjb> ask for example 4 layer routing
2017-06-17T18:24:48 < englishman> uh why clone
2017-06-17T18:24:53 < englishman> why do you want to compete with china
2017-06-17T18:24:54 < englishman> you can't
2017-06-17T18:25:08 < dongs> isntead of buying that $38 board
2017-06-17T18:25:09 < dongs> from aliexpress
2017-06-17T18:25:11 < dongs> he wants to make his own
2017-06-17T18:25:12 < englishman> for that $3.5 in your paypal account they can route 50 ddr5 boards
2017-06-17T18:25:13 < dongs> thats why
2017-06-17T18:25:26 < englishman> yea but thats arduino thinking
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2017-06-17T18:26:08 < Flowjob> can someone tell me where to find some extension boards for the uC STm32F767Zi, at the website from ST i only find some exotic extensions, but im new in uC programming and i wanted first start with some LED, switches, buttons and an display
2017-06-17T18:26:24 < dongs> doesn't that shit have fuckign arduino headers
2017-06-17T18:26:27 < Flowjob> maybe someone give me a link to a extension, thats including this
2017-06-17T18:26:31 < dongs> or else, F7zi-nucleo
2017-06-17T18:26:36 < dongs> if it exists
2017-06-17T18:27:09 < jpa-> Flowjob: if you want to start with simple stuff, then F7 is probably unnecessarily complex
2017-06-17T18:27:30 < jpa-> stard with F0 or something first, everything you learn with it you can then reuse with F7
2017-06-17T18:27:39 < jpa-> *start
2017-06-17T18:28:14 < Flowjob> jpa-: the board is a gift from my boss, i already programmed a MSP430 in asm and C, so coding is not that much a problem
2017-06-17T18:28:45 < Thorn> lol
2017-06-17T18:28:56 < Flowjob> jpa-: so that is just a slow start, to get in touch with the hw
2017-06-17T18:29:12 < jpa-> what board is it anyway?
2017-06-17T18:29:17 < dongs> what hte nigger
2017-06-17T18:29:20 < dongs> polygon border trash is broken
2017-06-17T18:29:31 < Flowjob> Thorn: dont missunderstand me, i dont think im good in programming, but i know how to solve problems
2017-06-17T18:29:50 < jpa-> most st dev boards already have a led and a button
2017-06-17T18:30:02 < Thorn> being good at programming will not prepare you to the complexity of the hardware
2017-06-17T18:30:19 < jpa-> and just pick up anything from ebay, you can hook it up with wires
2017-06-17T18:30:38 < Flowjob> jpa-: yes, one button and 3 User LEDs, but thats not that much i want to use to
2017-06-17T18:30:44 < Thorn> f7 is closer to a cortex-a soc than to a microcontroller in complexity
2017-06-17T18:30:45 < dongs> fuccccccccccccccking lol
2017-06-17T18:31:19 < Flowjob> jpa-: isnt there any complete extension board to boy and put on the adafruits connector
2017-06-17T18:31:35 < jpa-> eh, "complete extension board"
2017-06-17T18:31:45 < Thorn> >complete extension board
2017-06-17T18:31:59 < Thorn> minimum required competence check: failed
2017-06-17T18:32:01 < jpa-> generally you would pick the stuff you need for your project
2017-06-17T18:32:34 < Flowjob> Thorn: sorry, but everyone starts at point zero, accept it or be quiet. sorry but im 16yrs old and WANT to learn
2017-06-17T18:32:48 < Flowjob> so dont laught about me..
2017-06-17T18:32:49 < dongs> Flowjob: get stm32f4 or f0 discovery then
2017-06-17T18:32:50 < Thorn> get a f030 discovery
2017-06-17T18:32:50 < dongs> or F3
2017-06-17T18:32:53 < dongs> it has leds
2017-06-17T18:32:56 < Laurenceb__> is F7 really better than F4?
2017-06-17T18:33:00 < dongs> no
2017-06-17T18:33:08 < Laurenceb__> lul I thought so
2017-06-17T18:33:10 < jpa-> for some applications yes, and it has more internal ram
2017-06-17T18:33:18 < Laurenceb__> writing asm for F7 looks a pita
2017-06-17T18:33:20 < englishman> wat, why is f7 more complicated than f0 to get started
2017-06-17T18:33:26 < englishman> just don't enable ethernet etc
2017-06-17T18:33:40 < jpa-> even the F7 RCC is pretty complex
2017-06-17T18:33:40 < englishman> you still have to learn what the clocktree is etc
2017-06-17T18:33:47 < Laurenceb__> f4 you can write some epin asm and know how well it will run
2017-06-17T18:34:03 < dongs> jpa-: not if you use CUBE
2017-06-17T18:34:09 < jpa-> true enough
2017-06-17T18:34:11 < Laurenceb__>  > using cube
2017-06-17T18:34:13 < Laurenceb__>  >  ever
2017-06-17T18:34:19 < branjb> cube is life
2017-06-17T18:34:27 < englishman> lol Laurencenoob
2017-06-17T18:34:31 < Laurenceb__> cube has 4 sides
2017-06-17T18:34:33 < englishman> cube is awesome
2017-06-17T18:34:44 < Laurenceb__> top and bottom are not sides
2017-06-17T18:34:50 < dongs> timecube
2017-06-17T18:34:54 < Laurenceb__> what are you retarded or something
2017-06-17T18:35:03 < Laurenceb__> top and bottom were never sides, a cube has 4 sides
2017-06-17T18:35:24 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/yyPfZ0o.png
2017-06-17T18:35:25 < englishman> heh
2017-06-17T18:35:29 < Flowjob> is there any good guide about the basics programming/architecture ?
2017-06-17T18:35:34 < Laurenceb__> floor and roof are not sides of your house
2017-06-17T18:35:37 < englishman> ok it's a bit more complex than f0
2017-06-17T18:35:39 < Laurenceb__> ^timecube proven
2017-06-17T18:35:47 < Rajko> dongs, i dont need just the fpga + ddr2, i need more stuff on my pcb
2017-06-17T18:35:51 < Flowjob> for "beginners", to learn what to need for an IRQ and some of these things
2017-06-17T18:35:57 < branjb> Flowjob: https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32
2017-06-17T18:38:47 < Laurenceb__> Janczarski announced[10] on the Graveyard of the Gods forum that he had renounced Time Cube theory in favor of Christianity
2017-06-17T18:39:18 < Rajko> dongs, i have a version of the project with no RAM (only dual sided pcb needed, TQFP144 fpga) but its limiting in both gates and memory :(
2017-06-17T18:39:28 < Rajko> all the components work tho
2017-06-17T18:40:08 < englishman> dongs what is this for
2017-06-17T18:40:14 < englishman> looks like some arduino level autism
2017-06-17T18:40:18 < dongs> basically
2017-06-17T18:40:18 < englishman> home automation
2017-06-17T18:40:26 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-17T18:40:29 < dongs> shruggin'
2017-06-17T18:40:32 < Laurenceb__> wut
2017-06-17T18:40:35 < Rajko> why do you need discovery boards ?
2017-06-17T18:40:40 < Laurenceb__> f7 for home automation
2017-06-17T18:40:43 < Rajko> they are overpriced, you can get 12$ F4 board with battery and RTC and tons of pins
2017-06-17T18:40:45 < Laurenceb__> makes perfect sense
2017-06-17T18:40:59 < englishman> when you have coloured nets like that how do you remember which layer the net is on
2017-06-17T18:41:06 < dongs> wut
2017-06-17T18:41:08 < dongs> they're transparent
2017-06-17T18:41:11 < dongs> so you can see
2017-06-17T18:42:02 < Rajko> http://www.ebay.com/itm/272643189790?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&var=571770007683&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 11.51$ for a stm32f4 and all the possible peripherals
2017-06-17T18:42:13 < dongs> that better be a waevshaer board
2017-06-17T18:42:20 < dongs> k it is
2017-06-17T18:42:21 < dongs> gr8
2017-06-17T18:42:23 < dongs> dongs approved
2017-06-17T18:42:28 < Rajko> dongs, waveshare is the guy who gave me the trace lengths lol
2017-06-17T18:42:33 < dongs> oh
2017-06-17T18:42:36 < dongs> do they have a ddr2 boarD?
2017-06-17T18:42:39 < dongs> im their distributor
2017-06-17T18:42:41 < dongs> i can get warez
2017-06-17T18:43:03 < dongs> can just say I super needz for a customer
2017-06-17T18:43:14 < Rajko> do you have any idea why the purple board, while having mre stuff on it, is more expensive ?
2017-06-17T18:43:24 < Rajko> nvm, its cheaper now lol
2017-06-17T18:44:35 < Rajko> altera doesnt have any fpga boards that have ddr on them
2017-06-17T18:44:45 < Rajko> waveshare*
2017-06-17T18:44:55 < dongs> then how did you get trace lengs
2017-06-17T18:45:01 < dongs> oh how about
2017-06-17T18:45:02 < dongs> hotmcu.com
2017-06-17T18:45:05 < dongs> anything on ther with spartan6?
2017-06-17T18:45:07 < dongs> i know that guy also
2017-06-17T18:45:07 < Rajko> i got it for a board that didnt have ddr on it
2017-06-17T18:45:11 < dongs> ah
2017-06-17T18:45:22 < englishman> i will also shit now
2017-06-17T18:45:22 < Rajko> i made a carrier that makes it a PCI card :P
2017-06-17T18:45:24 < englishman> lets sync up
2017-06-17T18:45:48 < Rajko> sorry i shat like 5 mins ago
2017-06-17T18:46:09 < englishman> still counts with the time zone
2017-06-17T18:47:31 < Rajko> btw, its hard because with 5/5 you can only have one trace between 2 1mm balls so 1mm isnt that hueg
2017-06-17T18:47:38 < dongs> bullshit
2017-06-17T18:47:45 < dongs> have you looked at xilinx appnote
2017-06-17T18:47:48 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-17_17-47-47.png
2017-06-17T18:47:52 < dongs> you can do 2 traces between balls of 0.8mm
2017-06-17T18:47:58 < dongs> at 5/3/3/5 rule
2017-06-17T18:48:06 < dongs> at 1mm you can do whatever teh FUCK YOU WANT
2017-06-17T18:48:11 < dongs> its 2017
2017-06-17T18:48:35 < dongs> https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/user_guides/ug1099-bga-device-design-rules.pdf
2017-06-17T18:48:44 < dongs> i bet your ball pads are too big
2017-06-17T18:48:46 < Rajko> i cant, 4 layer board house will say its too complicated to run at prototype rpices
2017-06-17T18:48:55 < dongs> do it on flexipcb
2017-06-17T18:48:59 < branjb> dongs balls are too big
2017-06-17T18:48:59 < dongs> 3/3 rules are ok there
2017-06-17T18:49:25 < Rajko> cant, i want free metal stencil
2017-06-17T18:49:52 < englishman> i wonder how much localbro would ask for 3/5 trace/space
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2017-06-17T18:50:19 < englishman> or is that 4/3 trace/space
2017-06-17T18:50:25 < englishman> that sounds better
2017-06-17T18:50:36 < aandrew> 3mil is getting pretty thin
2017-06-17T18:50:41 < englishman> he complained about 4 mil annulars earlier tho
2017-06-17T18:51:19 < englishman> still that isnt 10 for $5 chinapcb tech
2017-06-17T18:51:32 < englishman> sorry your ddr2 will cost more than $3.5
2017-06-17T18:55:35 < Flowjob> thanks for the answers, i will buy that book and start to read
2017-06-17T18:56:00 < Flowjob> is there any "complete" .hpp library for the 767zi?
2017-06-17T18:56:40 < Rajko> http://blog.kevmod.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/guvcview_image-25.jpg this is what 4layer proto-china/oshpark can do
2017-06-17T18:57:27 < Rajko> theres no way to fit 2 traces between 1mm bga
2017-06-17T18:58:07 < dongs> i did 4/4 in china at no extra cost
2017-06-17T18:58:43 < Rajko> this one recommends 6/6 because 5/5 might have poor yield
2017-06-17T18:59:28 < dongs> 'yield'
2017-06-17T18:59:32 < dongs> why does that concern YOU
2017-06-17T18:59:38 < dongs> you pay pcb house $5 to get 10 boards
2017-06-17T18:59:43 < dongs> if they have to spend $50 making them
2017-06-17T18:59:45 < dongs> thats not YOUR problem
2017-06-17T18:59:45 < Rajko> they dont accept less than 5/5
2017-06-17T19:00:36 < Rajko> and no, it will be like like 65$ as its 4 layer
2017-06-17T19:07:08 < dongs> so that $38 board is looking better and better
2017-06-17T19:07:19 < Rajko> uhh
2017-06-17T19:07:23 < Rajko> all that i could do with it is like
2017-06-17T19:07:26 < Rajko> grind down the resist and scan it
2017-06-17T19:07:40 < Rajko> and salvage the fpga and ddr chip but those are like 7$ and 1.5$ respectively
2017-06-17T19:13:53 < Rajko> and would need reballing
2017-06-17T19:14:06 < zyp> ballin
2017-06-17T19:14:18 < zyp> sup?
2017-06-17T19:15:47 < dongs> i've been routing 10 leds for the last 5 hours
2017-06-17T19:15:52 < Rajko> is there any way to have a background image in altium
2017-06-17T19:15:58 < dongs> Rajko: no
2017-06-17T19:16:02 < zyp> wat
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2017-06-17T19:16:15 < Rajko> any way to import illustrations with them being at the proper scale ?
2017-06-17T19:16:27 < dongs> 23:52 < englishman> how does it take 30mins to route leds
2017-06-17T19:16:27 < dongs> 23:52 < englishman> wtf
2017-06-17T19:16:40 < dongs> Rajko: yes, dxf/dwg import with proper autocad unit
2017-06-17T19:16:52 < dongs> Rajko: see that shit i just zoomed out to?
2017-06-17T19:17:00 < Rajko> >implying im watching your shit stream
2017-06-17T19:17:03 < dongs> that was dxf import, and i could copypaste shit from it directly
2017-06-17T19:17:03 < dongs> oh ok.
2017-06-17T19:17:05 < dongs> shrug
2017-06-17T19:17:40 < branjb> is six sigma another one of those buzzword memes?
2017-06-17T19:17:47 < dongs> yes
2017-06-17T19:18:04 < zyp> stream?
2017-06-17T19:18:35 < englishman> lol six sigma
2017-06-17T19:18:46 < englishman> zyp: https://www.twitch.tv/timecop1818
2017-06-17T19:19:15 < dongs> oh what the FUUUUUCK
2017-06-17T19:19:29 < dongs> i msut have pressed some fucking follow shit button
2017-06-17T19:20:15 < zyp> hardcore altiuming
2017-06-17T19:20:54 < englishman> how do you highlight in sch wht you have selected in pcb
2017-06-17T19:20:59 < Rajko> enable the link
2017-06-17T19:21:00 < englishman> i had that enabled in like 15 then they changed it
2017-06-17T19:21:01 < Rajko> click things
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2017-06-17T19:22:50 < dongs> god damn
2017-06-17T19:22:52 < dongs> that fucking thing
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2017-06-17T19:23:02 < dongs> its that board overview someshit thing istn it
2017-06-17T19:23:05 < dongs> board insight
2017-06-17T19:23:10 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-17T19:23:11 < englishman> but
2017-06-17T19:23:22 < englishman> i dono
2017-06-17T19:23:29 < englishman> there's more to it
2017-06-17T19:23:31 < dongs> there
2017-06-17T19:23:32 < dongs> shift-g
2017-06-17T19:23:35 < dongs> fucking aids
2017-06-17T19:24:12 < englishman> SHIFT+G
2017-06-17T19:24:12 < englishman> Toggles the location of the Heads Up Display to be at a fixed position on the board or allows it to be moved with the cursor. Use this option to move the Heads Up Display.
2017-06-17T19:24:38 < dongs> englishman: oh the link thing is in uh
2017-06-17T19:25:20 < englishman> can you stream in 4k, cant see shit
2017-06-17T19:25:30 < dongs> this
2017-06-17T19:25:32 < dongs> cross select
2017-06-17T19:25:41 < dongs> system/navigation
2017-06-17T19:25:44 < englishman> cross select
2017-06-17T19:25:55 < englishman> yess
2017-06-17T19:26:01 < englishman> oh
2017-06-17T19:26:02 < englishman> what about
2017-06-17T19:26:04 < englishman> that new thing in 17
2017-06-17T19:26:12 < englishman> where you click on a component and it doesnt select the component
2017-06-17T19:26:15 < englishman> but just the pin
2017-06-17T19:26:58 < dongs> are ytou sure your c omponent isnt locked
2017-06-17T19:27:03 < englishman> yes
2017-06-17T19:27:04 < englishman> i mean in sch
2017-06-17T19:27:20 < englishman> you click a component and it literally selects just the pad in pcb
2017-06-17T19:27:47 < zyp> what via size is that?
2017-06-17T19:27:55 < zyp> annular ring looks oddly small vs the hole
2017-06-17T19:28:27 < dongs> 0.3/0.5
2017-06-17T19:28:29 < dongs> standard
2017-06-17T19:28:46 < zyp> that's 12/20?
2017-06-17T19:28:46 < englishman> it is, his guy does 4 mil annular without whining
2017-06-17T19:28:48 < englishman> 12/20
2017-06-17T19:28:52 < dongs> 11..9ish or hwatever
2017-06-17T19:28:53 < dongs> eyah
2017-06-17T19:29:11 < zyp> hmm, ok
2017-06-17T19:29:37 < zyp> is this 2L or 4L?
2017-06-17T19:29:52 < zyp> 2L I guess, since power is not routed on planes
2017-06-17T19:29:56 < dongs> 2L
2017-06-17T19:30:34 < Rajko> even chyna can do 0.3/0.5ishhhh
2017-06-17T19:30:57 < Rajko> i tried to keep it 0.3/0.6 unless necessary tho
2017-06-17T19:32:33 < dongs> hmm
2017-06-17T19:32:43 < dongs> one thing i never figured out how can i add a kink into trace
2017-06-17T19:32:47 < dongs> without fucking cutting it up
2017-06-17T19:32:53 < dongs> is there a thing to 'drop a joint'
2017-06-17T19:33:02 < zyp> midpoint handle
2017-06-17T19:33:03 < branjb> altium seems to do it automatically to me
2017-06-17T19:33:07 < branjb> annoying as fuck
2017-06-17T19:33:13 < dongs> just pt + redraw works but
2017-06-17T19:33:18 < dongs> i geuss maybe its faster anyway
2017-06-17T19:33:21 < zyp> but yeah, I usually just redraw
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2017-06-17T19:34:36 < zyp> that USART1_RX/TX routing doesn't look very good for 2L ground plane shit
2017-06-17T19:34:48 < dongs> dopesnt matter
2017-06-17T19:34:54 < dongs> it works, thats how i always do it anyway
2017-06-17T19:35:02 < dongs> i mightj move it
2017-06-17T19:35:05 < dongs> if i find a better place for it
2017-06-17T19:35:06 < dongs> but unlikely
2017-06-17T19:35:28 < Rajko> why do your resistors look huge
2017-06-17T19:35:38 < zyp> because the routing is small
2017-06-17T19:35:40 < branjb> dongs what do you charge per hour
2017-06-17T19:35:45 < zyp> traces are thin
2017-06-17T19:35:47 < Rajko> because whatever you charge is too much
2017-06-17T19:35:50 < branjb> so i know the quality of this feed i am watching
2017-06-17T19:35:50 < dongs> finally use for gloss selected
2017-06-17T19:36:03 < Rajko> branjb, trash
2017-06-17T19:36:04 < dongs> Rajko: its fitting into an existing fucking enclosure with a bunch of restrictions
2017-06-17T19:36:56 < branjb> how do you change net colors so your 3v3 shows up in orange?
2017-06-17T19:37:11 < zyp> by assinging color to a net
2017-06-17T19:37:28 < branjb> that's awesome didn't know you could
2017-06-17T19:37:33 < Rajko> i dont do that
2017-06-17T19:37:36 < Rajko> too colorful
2017-06-17T19:37:48 < zyp> there's a bunch of hatch pattern and stuff so you can blend net color and layer color too
2017-06-17T19:38:32 < dongs> ya hatch shit i turn off
2017-06-17T19:38:35 < dongs> its annjoying as fuck
2017-06-17T19:38:36 < dongs> defaulty
2017-06-17T19:38:42 < englishman> i add a sepia tone when making retro electronics
2017-06-17T19:39:43 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ISnRs.png <- I tried net colors on this shit when I had three voltages around
2017-06-17T19:39:50 < zyp> but I haven't bothered on other designs since
2017-06-17T19:42:02 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/BKkr8.png <- this shit has like five supply nets, so it might have looked even better
2017-06-17T19:42:42 < englishman> yeah same
2017-06-17T19:43:12 < englishman> but always interesting to see how other people do it
2017-06-17T19:45:06 < zyp> maybe I should get around to finishing that design some day, haven't touched it in almost half a year now
2017-06-17T19:45:56 < zyp> but I guess I can wait until I've tested the bottom board to see if I've fucked up something that I'd have to redo anyway
2017-06-17T19:47:12 < branjb> are there any good guides or literature on smps?  i try to follow ds recommended layout but sometimes hard to duplicate
2017-06-17T19:47:18 < branjb> shit seems to work even when i do it bad
2017-06-17T19:47:33 < zyp> it always works, it's just a question of how noisy it is
2017-06-17T19:47:46 < dongs> zyp: there might be a bridge on one AT90 out of 5 boards, the rest should be ok
2017-06-17T19:47:49 < zyp> the goal is to keep the high current loops short
2017-06-17T19:47:55 < dongs> check it before powering up with 220V AC
2017-06-17T19:48:11 < zyp> dongs, ah, you fixed the qfp shit?
2017-06-17T19:48:20 < dongs> well, i shipped the boards liek friday
2017-06-17T19:48:22 < dongs> sent you email
2017-06-17T19:48:26 < branjb> i always just shove it in the corner and try to separate the ground planes from the rest of the board
2017-06-17T19:48:28 < zyp> yes, I know that
2017-06-17T19:48:32 < dongs> but yeah fixed
2017-06-17T19:48:36 < dongs> dont do it again tho
2017-06-17T19:48:44 < zyp> what was wrong with that?
2017-06-17T19:48:51 < dongs> those paste openings were definitely narrower than pads were
2017-06-17T19:49:09 < dongs> did you set pad shrink or somesfuck on them
2017-06-17T19:49:09 < Rajko> branjb, keep CIN close to the chip, close to the inductor
2017-06-17T19:49:20 < Rajko> dont put traces below the inductor
2017-06-17T19:49:28 < Rajko> make inductor trace phat
2017-06-17T19:49:53 < zyp> hmm, I don't think I did anything weird at all, IIRC I just reused a footprint I already had
2017-06-17T19:50:02 < zyp> if not I generated it with IPC shit with defaults for that
2017-06-17T19:50:41 < dongs> weird
2017-06-17T19:51:17 < zyp> hmm, I haven't installed vmware since I reinstalled, otherwise I'd fire up the altium vm and check
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2017-06-17T19:52:10 < dongs> snort.
2017-06-17T19:52:15 < dongs> or yo ucould you know, use a real OS
2017-06-17T19:53:10 < zyp> ya, that's what I run in the VM
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2017-06-17T19:54:45 < Flowjob> i bought a "beginner set" https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01M7N4WB6/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 .. and want start control the LEDs on the breadboard with the GPIO pins from the 767zi, this should be a good practice, right?
2017-06-17T19:55:16 < dongs> i wish fucking altidumb didnt remove the fucking link between 2d/3d
2017-06-17T19:55:18 < englishman> yes
2017-06-17T19:55:23 < dongs> before it would leave cursor in the place where your 3d shit was
2017-06-17T19:55:34 < Flowjob> englishman: yes to my question?
2017-06-17T19:55:37 < englishman> led blink = the hello world of embedded development
2017-06-17T19:55:37 < englishman> yes
2017-06-17T19:56:16 < Flowjob> ok good, the i already got the USER LED blink, but want to start control something external
2017-06-17T19:56:23 < zyp> hmm, there's like three newer major versions of vmware since the one I bought
2017-06-17T19:56:24 < englishman> nice
2017-06-17T19:56:33 < zyp> but the upgrade is like >$50
2017-06-17T19:57:00 < dongs> for mac?
2017-06-17T19:57:25 < zyp> yes
2017-06-17T19:57:57 < dongs> wtf thers soemthing outside my door
2017-06-17T19:59:54 < englishman> is it jehovas witnesses
2017-06-17T20:01:42 < zyp> hmm, old vmware doesn't work properly on this osx version, dicks
2017-06-17T20:01:49 < dongs> raped
2017-06-17T20:01:54 < dongs> forced obsolescense
2017-06-17T20:01:57 < dongs> or hwoeverf you spell that
2017-06-17T20:02:28 < zyp> well, it runs, it just fails trying to boot a VM
2017-06-17T20:02:42 < dongs> oh
2017-06-17T20:02:44 < dongs> weird?
2017-06-17T20:02:55 < dongs> then again, macos no idea
2017-06-17T20:03:08 < dongs> you can downgrade your vm if you want
2017-06-17T20:03:10 < zyp> googled the error, somebody had the same error and found that upgrading helped
2017-06-17T20:03:12 < dongs> to lower version
2017-06-17T20:03:17 < zyp> not vm, host
2017-06-17T20:03:23 < dongs> no
2017-06-17T20:03:28 < dongs> i mean
2017-06-17T20:03:34 < englishman> how is it possible to downgrade below a mac
2017-06-17T20:03:34 < dongs> there's a workstation version thing as vm property
2017-06-17T20:03:49 < dongs> you can try setting it to lower, some shit gets disabled like usb3/extra pci devices etc
2017-06-17T20:03:54 < dongs> but it might work(?) shrug
2017-06-17T20:04:38 < sklv> Flowjob: you have a buzzer in that kit you should be able to get that to work
2017-06-17T20:04:53 < dongs> then you can hook it up to a timer pin
2017-06-17T20:05:36 < zyp> meh, I'll just leave it for now, I'll buy the newer version later when I need it
2017-06-17T20:06:12 < Flowjob> sklv: yes, i will try some components for itself and then connect them to a "system"
2017-06-17T20:06:44 < Flowjob> sklv: maybe first pressing a button to get the buzzer speaking, after that connecting to a timer and a LED
2017-06-17T20:06:57 < Flowjob> some sort of this.. i want first to get in touch with these things
2017-06-17T20:07:43 < zyp> oh, fuck, I was gonna catch the post office today to send shit
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2017-06-17T20:10:55 < dongs> Flowjob: once you got buzzer on a timer, you can play some mp3s
2017-06-17T20:11:01 < dongs> err not mp3s
2017-06-17T20:11:02 < dongs> MODs
2017-06-17T20:11:21 < branjb> tetris theme
2017-06-17T20:11:34 < Flowjob> nah, psytrance ;) :D
2017-06-17T20:12:57 < sklv> http://pbat.ch/proj/voc/
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2017-06-17T20:14:11 < dongs> < sklv> http://pbat.ch/proj/voc/ ctrlf'd "stm32", no hits, zclosed
2017-06-17T20:14:13 < branjb> altium has a digikey/supplier import thing, mind blown
2017-06-17T20:14:20 < dongs> branjb: first thing i turn off
2017-06-17T20:14:23 < branjb> lol
2017-06-17T20:14:30 < dongs> it does teh same fuckign thing vault/livecontent shit does
2017-06-17T20:14:30 < branjb> is it garbage?
2017-06-17T20:14:35 < dongs> it adds like 221342424242424234 parameters
2017-06-17T20:14:35 < Steffanx> Yeah, fuck vmware for not supporting "old" os x zyp.
2017-06-17T20:14:36 < dongs> to each compoennt
2017-06-17T20:14:43 < dongs> do not want
2017-06-17T20:14:55 < zyp> Steffanx, guess it makes sense since 10.10 got a new hypervisor api
2017-06-17T20:15:13 < Steffanx> I believe i had issues as well after or before that. not sure.
2017-06-17T20:15:37 < zyp> idk either, I went from 10.8
2017-06-17T20:15:40 < zyp> and vmware 5
2017-06-17T20:15:45 < dongs> 5..
2017-06-17T20:15:50 < dongs> its like on 15 or 17
2017-06-17T20:15:51 < dongs> on windows
2017-06-17T20:16:02 < zyp> newest vmware fusion is 8
2017-06-17T20:17:18 < Steffanx> I ran the same windows natively and in vmware fusion for a long time. Until some update installed while using vmware fusion killed it all...
2017-06-17T20:17:28 < Steffanx> since then i just use windows natively only.
2017-06-17T20:17:53 < Flowjob> i have a question.. i saw that the connection where 5V goes output is soldered .. https://www.pic-upload.de/view-33353500/IMG_09141987.jpg.html
2017-06-17T20:18:07 < Flowjob> will it be possible to connect the components to this ?
2017-06-17T20:18:28 < Rajko> did you solder it ?
2017-06-17T20:18:34 < Flowjob> no
2017-06-17T20:18:39 < Flowjob> it was a gift
2017-06-17T20:18:41 < Rajko> is it the header or the blobs of solder filling the holes ?
2017-06-17T20:18:51 < dongs> taht site
2017-06-17T20:18:53 < Flowjob> yes
2017-06-17T20:18:53 < dongs> is fucking cancer
2017-06-17T20:18:56 < dongs> have you ever heard of imgur
2017-06-17T20:19:01 < Rajko> i mean
2017-06-17T20:19:02 < dongs> holy shit its LOADING A VIDEO AD
2017-06-17T20:19:05 < Rajko> do you want to remove the blobs ?
2017-06-17T20:19:08 < Rajko> dongs, adblock and i see nothing
2017-06-17T20:19:19 < dongs> Rajko: as an internet businessman, FUCK YOU
2017-06-17T20:19:19 < Rajko> to remove the blobs of solder from the holes, use solder wick
2017-06-17T20:19:35 < Rajko> dongs, as a netizen it is required
2017-06-17T20:19:40 < Flowjob> Rajko: ok, so it is neccessary to remote the solder ?
2017-06-17T20:19:43 < dongs> Rajko: no, you're a faggot
2017-06-17T20:19:48 < Steffanx> lol
2017-06-17T20:19:57 < Rajko> Flowjob, for the one where its just one
2017-06-17T20:20:01 < Rajko> you can heat it while putting the pin header in
2017-06-17T20:20:14 < Rajko> the one with 2 diagonal will be way harder
2017-06-17T20:20:34 < Rajko> if you use solder wick to make it a hole again it will be much easier
2017-06-17T20:20:56 < Flowjob> ok
2017-06-17T20:21:03 < Flowjob> so i need to get the holes free?
2017-06-17T20:21:06 < Rajko> dongs, why does that picture look like you should break off the right part
2017-06-17T20:21:18 < Rajko> Flowjob, if you want to put in pin headers yes
2017-06-17T20:21:47 < sklv> the right part is an independent stlink programmer that could be used on its own
2017-06-17T20:21:56 < Rajko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htrcZuK_ZsY wick makes cleaning holes super easy
2017-06-17T20:22:00 < dongs> Rajko: because it is
2017-06-17T20:22:01 < dongs> a stlink
2017-06-17T20:22:08 < dongs> and you can break it off
2017-06-17T20:22:16 < Rajko> does that break the connection tho ?
2017-06-17T20:22:29 < sklv> yea but you can still program the board
2017-06-17T20:22:56 < dongs> Rajko: sure, but htere' a ~5 pin header you can jumper with chinawire later
2017-06-17T20:22:59 < dongs> which are same things
2017-06-17T20:23:04 < dongs> so you can keep it separate and program other shit with ti
2017-06-17T20:23:18 < Rajko> when you break it off, the traces wont come with ?
2017-06-17T20:23:29 < dongs> no.. tehyre kinda in center of that breakaway part
2017-06-17T20:23:41 < dongs> could sip with wire cutters if you really care
2017-06-17T20:23:49 < dongs> but ive just broken it off, no rpoblem
2017-06-17T20:24:42 < zyp>   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   092   092   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       8056
2017-06-17T20:25:07 < dongs> spinning rust?
2017-06-17T20:25:09 < dongs> in a macbook?
2017-06-17T20:25:12 < dongs> why am i not surprised
2017-06-17T20:25:14 < dongs> apple always behidn times
2017-06-17T20:25:22 < zyp> wat, no, this is in my server
2017-06-17T20:25:33 < dongs> why the fuck is your server running something that shows this output
2017-06-17T20:25:42 < dongs> that looks like hdparm or smartctl or someshit
2017-06-17T20:25:44 < zyp> this drive have been failing for a month, somehow it's still alive
2017-06-17T20:26:16 < dongs> this OBS shit is prety fucking awesome
2017-06-17T20:26:22 < dongs> last time i used it was in 2015
2017-06-17T20:26:24 < dongs> it was a 7meg installer
2017-06-17T20:26:27 < dongs> now its like 100megs
2017-06-17T20:27:34 < Flowjob> Rajko: isnt there some sort of "adapters" what i can buy to place it on, and into that the wire from the breadboard?
2017-06-17T20:28:46 < Rajko> what are you talking about
2017-06-17T20:28:47 < dongs> however its failing on 4K
2017-06-17T20:28:48 < dongs> shitty scaling
2017-06-17T20:28:49 < dongs> damn
2017-06-17T20:31:54 < dongs> hmm my shit is only 720p
2017-06-17T20:31:57 < dongs> should probly fix that
2017-06-17T20:32:55 < Flowjob> Rajko: ok i got it, was a dumb question
2017-06-17T20:36:16 < dongs> wow
2017-06-17T20:36:22 < dongs> i fucked around with this shit for 4 hours
2017-06-17T20:36:53 < Rajko> and now, in retroscpect
2017-06-17T20:36:55 < Rajko> you ask... why ?
2017-06-17T20:37:40 < Thorn> I need to stream my f0 + 16 mosfets layout just to make dongs RAGE l0l
2017-06-17T20:38:25 < Thorn> about mosfet drivers mostly
2017-06-17T20:38:33 < dongs> heh
2017-06-17T20:40:17 < dongs> i thnk i'll stream more of my wank sessions just to rage out Rajko some more
2017-06-17T20:47:28 < Rajko> im trying to figure out how to best get the outline from a scanned pcb
2017-06-17T20:47:33 < Rajko> into altium, with correct dimensions
2017-06-17T20:48:21 < zyp> there, shit packed and dropped off at the post office with 15 minutes to spare
2017-06-17T20:48:40 < zyp> including that failing drive, sending it back for a warranty replacement
2017-06-17T20:56:02 < Steffanx> What brand? I never did a warranty replacement on a disk
2017-06-17T20:56:09 < Steffanx> and how fast did it fil?
2017-06-17T20:56:10 < Steffanx> fail
2017-06-17T20:58:17 < zyp> hang on, let me bring up my spreadsheet
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2017-06-17T20:58:58 < zyp> IIRC this one were from the first batch, so it's about four years old now
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2017-06-17T21:00:48 < zyp> yeah, bought jul. 14 2013
2017-06-17T21:01:09 < Thorn> are replacements handled by the dealer or the manufacturer?
2017-06-17T21:01:36 < zyp> this was the 7th of the nine drives I bought in that order that has failed so far
2017-06-17T21:02:00 < zyp> and the 11th of this model that I've had failing
2017-06-17T21:02:33 < zyp> Thorn, unsure, I send them to the dealer, don't know what happens to it after
2017-06-17T21:02:59 < Thorn> ok so same as here
2017-06-17T21:03:38 < zyp> also, given that I've had 11 failures on an array of 16 drives, I bet you can figure out which brand and model this is :p
2017-06-17T21:04:09 < Thorn> I had 2 fail in my 6 disk array, wd caviar
2017-06-17T21:04:40 < Thorn> all were low time failures though
2017-06-17T21:04:55 < Steffanx> i would say seagate, but not sure why zyp.
2017-06-17T21:05:03 < zyp> Steffanx, yup
2017-06-17T21:05:03 < invzim> havne't had a failure in ages
2017-06-17T21:05:05 < zyp> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/3tb-hard-drive-failure/
2017-06-17T21:05:06  * invzim knocks on wood
2017-06-17T21:05:32 < zyp> all 16 in my raid is of that model
2017-06-17T21:05:37 < invzim> zyp: were you able to rebuild or did they fail at once?
2017-06-17T21:05:52 < zyp> oh, they're failing one by one over the years
2017-06-17T21:06:06 < zyp> and it's sitting in a triple-redundant raid, so I'm not worried about data loss
2017-06-17T21:06:13 < invzim> good man :)
2017-06-17T21:06:49 < invzim> but what on earth are you storing that needs 16 drives?
2017-06-17T21:07:04 < zyp> I once had a second drive failing before I got around to replace the first failure
2017-06-17T21:07:08 < invzim> or is that a private question :)
2017-06-17T21:07:18 < zyp> but even then, I still had one drive of redundancy levt
2017-06-17T21:07:20 < zyp> left
2017-06-17T21:07:25 < zyp> invzim, porn, lots of it
2017-06-17T21:07:37 < zyp> nah, not really
2017-06-17T21:08:05 < invzim> I got a lot of movies and tv series, music too but that doesn't really eat too much storage
2017-06-17T21:08:12 < zyp> it's only 35% used
2017-06-17T21:08:53 < invzim> it's nice to have storage tho, if you get a dvd or something with a product, just make an iso and forget about it
2017-06-17T21:08:59 < zyp> I ran out of space on my old raid
2017-06-17T21:09:09 < zyp> that one were 6x1.5TB or something like that
2017-06-17T21:09:21 < zyp> and I kinda overdid it with the replacement
2017-06-17T21:09:45 < invzim> my movie collection outgrew what one physical disk would take, so instead of mucking about with my old linux server I got a synology
2017-06-17T21:09:49 < invzim> best money I ever spent
2017-06-17T21:10:20 < invzim> was particulary impressed with the way it handled rebuilding with different size drives
2017-06-17T21:10:36 < zyp> originally I planned to go with 8x3TB, but when I realized zfs doesn't support reshaping, I figured it'd be better to build it as a 16x1.5TB initially, mixing the new 3TB and the old 1.5TB drives
2017-06-17T21:10:58 < zyp> and then I eventually replaced all the 1.5TB drives with 3TB
2017-06-17T21:11:14 < invzim> homebrew freenas?
2017-06-17T21:11:20 < zyp> no, linux
2017-06-17T21:11:58 < invzim> zfs on linux is pretty recent?
2017-06-17T21:12:28 < zyp> I set this up in 2013
2017-06-17T21:13:02 < zyp> norco rack case, some decent hardware, 10gbe card from ebay, etc
2017-06-17T21:13:17 < zyp> runs plain debian with nfs for file access
2017-06-17T21:13:53 < zyp> got xen in there to run vms too, but it's not running any right now
2017-06-17T21:14:18 < zyp> too much hassle to maintain
2017-06-17T21:14:55 < zyp> thought about throwing in some docker shit, might get around to that later
2017-06-17T21:16:45 < zyp> anyway, it's pretty convenient to have three times as much space as I need, never have to worry about deleting or whatever
2017-06-17T21:19:51 < Thorn> can I store my porn on your raid, I'm running out of space
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2017-06-17T21:19:58 < Thorn> about 8TB
2017-06-17T21:20:14 < zyp> I certainly have room for that
2017-06-17T21:27:22 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/rantyben/status/875821882385158144
2017-06-17T21:35:52 < Steffanx> What do you run zyp? Not freenas i guess?
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2017-06-17T21:52:36 < englishman> Steffanx: im deleting stm32 from this project, they decided to go with Edison only....
2017-06-17T21:52:56 < sync> nice
2017-06-17T21:53:32 < englishman> yeah, the stm32 was vestigal really
2017-06-17T21:54:02 < englishman> simplifies my end tho, and another billing cycle too
2017-06-17T21:54:16 < sync> *kaching*
2017-06-17T21:54:51 < englishman> yes
2017-06-17T21:56:10 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/bRBG8Vk.jpg
2017-06-17T21:56:44 < kakimir> secks starter is here
2017-06-17T21:56:47 < kakimir> hello pumps
2017-06-17T21:57:05 < kakimir> cat life is hard
2017-06-17T21:58:27 < englishman> hi kaks
2017-06-17T21:58:30 < englishman> how's summer
2017-06-17T22:02:27 < kakimir> air junkie aviation hippie indian life in local aerodrome
2017-06-17T22:02:41 < kakimir> I have almost burned my skin and stuff
2017-06-17T22:04:21 < kakimir> I have paid my summer flights and I just get bacon and eggs and milk from little shop near by and fly all day
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2017-06-17T22:05:16 < englishman> nice
2017-06-17T22:05:42 < englishman> I should back in the left seat... medical expired tho
2017-06-17T22:07:42 < kakimir> as if it was any trouble to revalidate?
2017-06-17T22:10:17 < kakimir> and after flying some sauna
2017-06-17T22:10:43 < kakimir> it's quite nice schedule
2017-06-17T22:15:10 < englishman> there isnt really re-validation you just get checked out by an instructor
2017-06-17T22:15:16 < englishman> no tests or anything
2017-06-17T22:15:24 < englishman> hot tub sounds nice
2017-06-17T22:15:39 < kakimir> when is sauna englishman
2017-06-17T22:15:59 < upgrdman> anyone know how bad of an idea it would be to repair minor bathroom drywall damage with bondo?
2017-06-17T22:16:08 < englishman> hot tub first
2017-06-17T22:16:31 < englishman> why not use drywall filler
2017-06-17T22:17:08 < upgrdman> repairing softened drywall near perimeter of bathtub. figure bondo would stay rigid better than typical drywall filler?
2017-06-17T22:18:42 < kakimir> winter is comming englishman
2017-06-17T22:18:43 < invzim> kakimir: what are you flying?
2017-06-17T22:18:49 < kakimir> gliders
2017-06-17T22:18:58 < invzim> ah, never been in one
2017-06-17T22:19:11 < invzim> but fallen out of smaller aircraft 1400 times :)
2017-06-17T22:19:14 < upgrdman> kakimir, lol. winter isnt coming for like another 4 months
2017-06-17T22:19:28 < kakimir> here it might
2017-06-17T22:19:50 < upgrdman> northern hemi winders are nov - feb, no?
2017-06-17T22:20:23 < upgrdman> they are in cali, but its not like i have to put up with legit weather anyway lol
2017-06-17T22:20:33 < englishman> 1400 nice
2017-06-17T22:20:38 < englishman> but, smaller aircraft?
2017-06-17T22:20:48 < kakimir> nov-april
2017-06-17T22:21:02 < invzim> porters, otters, king air etc
2017-06-17T22:21:10 < englishman> big planes
2017-06-17T22:21:22 < englishman> gliders are... cozy
2017-06-17T22:21:52 < invzim> biggest I've fallen out of is C-130 hercules
2017-06-17T22:22:04 < kakimir> englishman: always build sauna first
2017-06-17T22:22:20 < englishman> no
2017-06-17T22:22:29 < englishman> see hot tub is built
2017-06-17T22:22:57 < englishman> really big plane
2017-06-17T22:23:06 < englishman> can fit a hot tub in there
2017-06-17T22:23:18 < invzim> kakimir: ever done an out landing?
2017-06-17T22:23:25 < kakimir> no
2017-06-17T22:23:40 < kakimir> not yet
2017-06-17T22:23:45 < kakimir> waiting for it
2017-06-17T22:23:57 < invzim> that was always my biggest fear when jumping in a place with fuckall nothing but thick forest
2017-06-17T22:24:26 < kakimir> and not even roads
2017-06-17T22:24:29 < kakimir> or lakes
2017-06-17T22:25:14 < kakimir> there is one direction from aerodrome where is like 50kilometers of forrest
2017-06-17T22:25:17 < kakimir> and swamp
2017-06-17T22:25:30 < kakimir> we don't go there
2017-06-17T22:26:03 < invzim> probably smart, but if you do cross-country stuff I guess there are 'zones' where you need to be at a certain altitude
2017-06-17T22:26:14 < invzim> or have a bad day :)
2017-06-17T22:26:38 < kakimir> sometimes even that plan fails
2017-06-17T22:27:36 < kakimir> variometer needle bottoms and wont go up anymore
2017-06-17T22:28:44 < kakimir> in normal weather that is highly unlikelly
2017-06-17T22:29:27 < sync> haha the usual at our field
2017-06-17T22:29:30 < sync> get winched up
2017-06-17T22:29:36 < sync> drop rope
2017-06-17T22:29:39 < sync> *B
2017-06-17T22:29:42 < sync> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
2017-06-17T22:29:46 < sync> "ok, we'll land"
2017-06-17T22:29:54 < Steffanx> How can you make a proper product using edison englishman. Tell me. Tell me!
2017-06-17T22:29:59 < Steffanx> Water cooled?
2017-06-17T22:30:17 < kakimir> how much heat it outputs then+
2017-06-17T22:30:35 < Steffanx> its not the amount of heat it outputs, its the operating temperature range
2017-06-17T22:30:51 < Steffanx> which is f.ucking low.
2017-06-17T22:31:55 < englishman> emeb ambient is higher than edison max operating temp
2017-06-17T22:32:28 < Steffanx> emeb?
2017-06-17T22:32:31 < englishman> emeb
2017-06-17T22:32:39 < englishman> !wz phoenix
2017-06-17T22:32:40 < dieforir1> [Phoenix, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 39.6°C. SSE wind: 2.9 kph.
2017-06-17T22:32:47 < Steffanx> aah,
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2017-06-17T22:33:17 < invzim> http://www.kirurg.org/skydive/reserve.wmv
2017-06-17T22:33:20 < Steffanx> almost 40C. How you survive that emeb_mac?
2017-06-17T22:34:26 < invzim> haven't jumped in 3 years, may be time to call it quits and sell my gear
2017-06-17T22:34:27 < englishman> nice invzim
2017-06-17T22:35:15 < invzim> 'invest' in nice stuff for my desk I don't really need instead :)
2017-06-17T22:36:01 < invzim> speaking of.. any of you have microscopes with camera on?
2017-06-17T22:36:53 < Steffanx> yes ( not me )
2017-06-17T22:37:19 < Steffanx> ReadError bought one cheap on amazon a while ago
2017-06-17T22:37:34 < Steffanx> i've never seen results of it though :P
2017-06-17T22:37:46 < ReadErr> oh
2017-06-17T22:37:49 < ReadErr> that got lost
2017-06-17T22:37:52 < ReadErr> somehow lol
2017-06-17T22:38:00 < ReadErr> so i got a refund
2017-06-17T22:38:11 < ReadErr> i think the box was falling apart and it broke in shippingg
2017-06-17T22:38:21 < ReadErr> another person i know ordered one and they said the box was really bad
2017-06-17T22:38:22 < Steffanx> wut
2017-06-17T22:38:33 < Steffanx> sad story
2017-06-17T22:38:34 < invzim> This one seem to get good reviews, but it's kind of hard to orient oneselves on what to get
2017-06-17T22:38:37 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1080p-HDMI-USB-SD-digital-microscope-camera-with-SONY-sensor/32464609452.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.m7q7dl&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10208_10068_10136_10137_10060_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10171_5300020_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10078_10079_5030020_10073_10123_
2017-06-17T22:38:50 < invzim> + it needs some kind of adapter/lens thingie
2017-06-17T22:39:18 < invzim> ReadErr: did you get the '14mp'?
2017-06-17T22:39:34 < ReadErr> nah i didnt end up w/ anything
2017-06-17T22:39:56 < ReadErr> the good ones had sold out by the time we figured it wasnt coming
2017-06-17T22:41:46 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2XKmZtYn3psSUxFSUR1WnBzbE0/view?usp=sharing wing up sign
2017-06-17T22:42:39 < Steffanx> Waffles made you fat kakimir
2017-06-17T22:43:21 < invzim> kakimir: do you have a launch thingie or cessna tow?
2017-06-17T22:44:00 < kakimir> skylaunch
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2017-06-17T22:47:52 < invzim> is there a scenario where the wire won't release?
2017-06-17T22:48:32 < invzim> or that it snaps during launch
2017-06-17T22:49:02 < kakimir> yes
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2017-06-17T22:49:13 < kakimir> it snaps time to time
2017-06-17T22:49:18 < kakimir> last time yesterday
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2017-06-17T22:51:53 < kakimir> every phase of takeoff must take it in account
2017-06-17T22:52:15 < kakimir> by always having 80-100kmh airspeed minimum
2017-06-17T22:52:40 < sync> it sucks cock when it brakes at speeds lower than that
2017-06-17T22:52:52 < sync> but at our field we had enough space to just coast to a halt
2017-06-17T22:53:08 < kakimir> so that there is about two seconds to carefully slam the stick full front
2017-06-17T22:53:19 < kakimir> before stalling
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2017-06-17T23:03:46 < invzim> is it normal to own your own glider?
2017-06-17T23:04:09 < kakimir> ye
2017-06-17T23:04:22 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: we all have air conditioning
2017-06-17T23:04:33 < kakimir> many of these granps have their own shared planes or even own
2017-06-17T23:04:35 < emeb_mac> and we stay indoors
2017-06-17T23:05:33 < kakimir> there is no problem though if someone doesn't have own plane because there is club planes free almost every day
2017-06-17T23:06:27 < kakimir> not like in 90s when there had been even people in queue every day
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2017-06-17T23:09:40 < kakimir> maybe if you fly really much it can be cheaper in long term but I doubt it because non-profit organization
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2017-06-17T23:26:58 < englishman> invzim: I got a DSLR attachment
2017-06-17T23:28:20 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXlJemfR4rA
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2017-06-17T23:33:19 < kakimir> hmm after two years I have found ambient ligth sensor in my laptop
2017-06-17T23:33:28 < kakimir> and a button for it
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2017-06-17T23:34:35 < invzim> englishman: considered it, but then I need to update my camera too as it doesn't do video :)
2017-06-17T23:35:03 < englishman> ah, problem
2017-06-17T23:35:25 < englishman> that louis rossman guy has a recommendation
2017-06-17T23:35:40 < englishman> theres a video where he goes over his stuff
2017-06-17T23:35:46 < invzim> yeah, but I think he has some kind of hdmi capture card
2017-06-17T23:35:53 < englishman> yes
2017-06-17T23:35:59 < englishman> they are cheap
2017-06-17T23:36:02 < englishman> blackmagic thing
2017-06-17T23:36:16 < invzim> my main computer these days is a laptop
2017-06-17T23:36:22 < englishman> i also have one for 4k capture
2017-06-17T23:36:24 < englishman> ah
2017-06-17T23:36:26 < englishman> problem
2017-06-17T23:36:29 < englishman> all these problems
2017-06-17T23:36:41 < Rajko> i made my own usb3 analog and hdmi capture card
2017-06-17T23:36:54 < Rajko> why not u
2017-06-17T23:36:54 < invzim> lenovo t420s with core i7, that I found practically unused in a recycling station
2017-06-17T23:37:36 < invzim> thought it had broken screen or something and just picked up for for fun, turned out it was fully operational :)
2017-06-17T23:40:53 < invzim> zyp: where do you source solderpaste?
2017-06-17T23:42:01 < invzim> I got some old crap from china, considering this http://www.krepro.no/dispenseringspasta-sn62pb36ag2.html
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2017-06-17T23:51:29 < englishman> Rajko: interesting, pix?
2017-06-17T23:53:34 < Rajko> if you only need hdmi its way easier
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2017-06-18T00:03:24 < zyp> invzim, idk, haven't done home reflow in forever
2017-06-18T00:29:44 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/Qg1lZbO.gifv soaring gif
2017-06-18T00:31:40 < Thorn> your instructor seems nervous
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2017-06-18T01:37:09 < crt> 32 bit
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2017-06-18T02:30:13 < crt> Welcome
2017-06-18T02:33:00 < Laurenceb__> today I saw something on ebay
2017-06-18T02:33:11 < Laurenceb__> 30m beech tree, 90p
2017-06-18T02:33:19 < Laurenceb__> buyer collects
2017-06-18T02:33:24 < crt> Cool
2017-06-18T02:33:30 < crt> Any more?
2017-06-18T02:34:53 < crt> Tendies?
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2017-06-18T03:38:06 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/gbswq0ke094z.jpg
2017-06-18T03:52:42 < Laurenceb__> https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10754341&cid=54639863
2017-06-18T03:58:03 < sklv> Rajko: what platform does your hdmi capture use? stm32?
2017-06-18T04:00:17 < sklv> the cheapest way I'm aware of to capture HDMI is this https://blog.danman.eu/new-version-of-lenkeng-hdmi-over-ip-extender-lkv373a/ but i'd much rather use something stm based
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2017-06-18T04:23:26 < crt> grammarly
2017-06-18T04:23:46 < crt> chip in your brain
2017-06-18T04:41:21 < dongs> sklv: holy shit thats awesome
2017-06-18T04:48:46 < sklv> not sure if it works with >1080p at all
2017-06-18T04:49:09 < dongs> it probably doesnt but for $35 shipped you can just find out
2017-06-18T04:49:18 < sklv> i have it lying around
2017-06-18T04:52:00 < crt> hmm
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2017-06-18T04:53:56 < crt> premium
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2017-06-18T05:25:44 < PeterM> oi dongs,are you about?
2017-06-18T05:26:10 < dongs> ya
2017-06-18T05:26:12 < dongs> suyp
2017-06-18T05:26:17 < PeterM> you bought one of those usb-emmc-bga sockets to get data off a fucked phone, right?
2017-06-18T05:26:22 < dongs> aye
2017-06-18T05:26:26 < PeterM> it work?
2017-06-18T05:26:33 < dongs> and all the size shits to match different emmc package
2017-06-18T05:26:34 < dongs> yes
2017-06-18T05:26:46 < dongs> read shit right off a dead dixus7(2017)
2017-06-18T05:26:51 < dongs> err 17=13
2017-06-18T05:27:09 < dongs> just blow the chip off, clean off any solder/balls, stick into socket, read
2017-06-18T05:27:10 < branjb> dongs do you round or rectangle pads?
2017-06-18T05:27:12 < PeterM> sweet, my sisters phone shat itself and she recently had a kid, so shes like "ill do anything t oget the pics back"
2017-06-18T05:27:23 < aandrew> sklv: you can make it stm based ... use an F2xx to receive the ethernet frames. :-)
2017-06-18T05:27:32 < PeterM> im like "have anotherkid, they all look the same"
2017-06-18T05:27:37 < dongs> lel
2017-06-18T05:27:39 < PeterM> she didnt liek that
2017-06-18T05:27:44 < dongs> > keeping important shit on a phone
2017-06-18T05:27:54 < aandrew> PeterM: send her to ipad rehab. they will do data recovery on phones
2017-06-18T05:28:05 < PeterM> the thing dies after 3 months, i dont really blame her for not backing up
2017-06-18T05:28:13 < aandrew> PeterM: yep I tell my wife the same thing
2017-06-18T05:28:18 < dongs> aandrew: a socket is like $50 or someshit. maybe less, I forgot wat i paid
2017-06-18T05:28:28 < PeterM> yeah, i'll grab one
2017-06-18T05:28:34 < aandrew> "you never back it up, you never let me back it up, I don't want to hear about you losing anything you keep on your phone."
2017-06-18T05:28:45 < dongs> branjb: depends on my mood
2017-06-18T05:28:49 < aandrew> dongs: sure, then you have to dump the NAND and try to understand it. no thanks
2017-06-18T05:28:52 < dongs> there's a roundrect ones i like lately
2017-06-18T05:28:59 < dongs> aandrew: eemc is just a big sd card
2017-06-18T05:29:06 < dongs> infact those sockets are just 4bit sd card readers
2017-06-18T05:29:17 < branjb> i like rounded pads because you can make ballsacs with vias
2017-06-18T05:29:25 < aandrew> dongs: yes, but depending on the phone, the entire fucking thing might be encrypted and the key locked to the CPU on the phone
2017-06-18T05:29:43 < dongs> yeah sure, but thats not MY problem
2017-06-18T05:29:47 < aandrew> hah
2017-06-18T05:29:49 < dongs> going into the dixus7 thing i knew it was clear
2017-06-18T05:30:00 < dongs> ive got nothing to hide
2017-06-18T05:30:06 < dongs> encrypting phones is for fags
2017-06-18T05:30:19 < aandrew> "But Musk invented the Hyperloop! The Hyperloop! The single greatest form of transportation that'll never exist and would be totally shit if it really happened but gives NIMBYs a FUD strategy to help them kill HSR proposals!"
2017-06-18T05:31:56 < dongs> damn this lock designators shit is a cunt
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2017-06-18T05:33:24 < aandrew> hm?
2017-06-18T05:34:02 < dongs> once they're locked on schematic, you absolutely cannot move the text on pcb ever
2017-06-18T05:34:18 < dongs> even if you select it, select "name" to switch to designator, 'locked' box cannot be unchecked
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2017-06-18T05:36:48 < aandrew> hm
2017-06-18T05:36:58 < aandrew> I ahven't locked designators
2017-06-18T05:37:06 < dongs> i do
2017-06-18T05:37:16 < dongs> wehn i dont want tae/tau to fuck with them
2017-06-18T05:37:32 < aandrew> when yo udon't want who/what to fuck with them?
2017-06-18T05:37:39 < dongs> reset/update designators
2017-06-18T05:37:48 < aandrew> aha
2017-06-18T05:37:50 < aandrew> shortcuts
2017-06-18T05:38:01 < aandrew> thought you were talking about your children who you pass off your final layout work to
2017-06-18T05:38:12 < dongs> loldongs.
2017-06-18T05:38:27 < dongs> anyway, if I have shit called LOL as designator and i reset it becomes LOL?
2017-06-18T05:38:31 < dongs> and next update its LOL1
2017-06-18T05:38:31 < dongs> etc.
2017-06-18T05:38:34 < dongs> fuck that
2017-06-18T05:38:41 < dongs> or shit like BOOT0
2017-06-18T05:38:42 < aandrew> right
2017-06-18T05:38:45 < dongs> becomes fucking BOOT1
2017-06-18T05:38:47 < aandrew> no I get it
2017-06-18T05:38:47 < dongs> if you dont notice
2017-06-18T05:38:52 < aandrew> I don't use designators for that
2017-06-18T05:38:56 < dongs> right
2017-06-18T05:39:21 < aandrew> if I have something like an LED1 that I want to look like WTF I will hide the designator and place a string WTF where I want it
2017-06-18T05:39:31 < dongs> yeah. i do that for some shit
2017-06-18T05:39:38 < dongs> but it still renames those things on schematic.
2017-06-18T05:39:44 < dongs> tho if i use separate text, locking them doesnt matter.
2017-06-18T05:39:46 < dongs> k
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2017-06-18T07:18:27 < upgrdman> if TVS'ing a power rail, the fuse should come AFTER the tvs, right?
2017-06-18T07:18:46 < upgrdman> e.g. TVS can draw as much current as it wants
2017-06-18T07:24:06 < Streaker> Only if you are a killjoy who doesn't like shorting out power rails
2017-06-18T07:26:43 < Streaker> Wait. You said *after* - go right ahead good sir.
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2017-06-18T07:26:59 < Streaker> And upload the video to Youtube.
2017-06-18T07:34:54 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-18T07:35:17 < crt> The case of amplifier
2017-06-18T07:35:32 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jzoGnRm4/IMG_0341.JPG
2017-06-18T07:35:47 < crt> Had to remove 20 transistors
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2017-06-18T07:37:47 < Streaker> Did you figure out what failed and caused the capacitor to vomit out it's insides?
2017-06-18T07:38:01 < crt> Yeah
2017-06-18T07:38:25 < crt> Capacitors leak DC in the input stage and it goes on from there
2017-06-18T07:40:24 < crt> I've rebuilt plenty and they don't come back after I've done the proper fixes
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2017-06-18T07:49:09 < crt> Meow
2017-06-18T07:49:42 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wwom38dz/A905BAE8-EEDF-4D29-8EB4-B6DE8E7A2860-7538-0000075998E95D5F.JPG
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2017-06-18T07:57:41 < dongs> catch some pokemon
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2017-06-18T08:08:25 < aandrew> off in dsp land today
2017-06-18T08:08:41 < aandrew> adsp-21479
2017-06-18T08:08:47 < aandrew> full on cces eclipse bullshit
2017-06-18T08:09:07 < crt> Why Pokemon
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2017-06-18T08:21:17 < dongs> upgrdman: found your next protoboard http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/images/PRODUCTS/BGA0006_0.JPG
2017-06-18T08:23:22 < dongs> https://st2.depositphotos.com/1003570/5249/i/950/depositphotos_52494739-stock-photo-man-soldering.jpg
2017-06-18T08:23:27 < dongs> 1st google hit for "black man soldering iron"
2017-06-18T08:52:48 < crt> The RF firehose
2017-06-18T08:55:07 < crt> The big stink
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2017-06-18T08:56:54 < upgrdman> dongs, haha nice
2017-06-18T08:57:19 < upgrdman> good thing i'll be going with f4 instead of a8
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2017-06-18T09:31:35 < ohsix> boop
2017-06-18T09:32:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: re: blender thing, was jsut a few little blurbs and some pictures pointing out how they used it for the show, not very informational
2017-06-18T09:32:45 < ohsix> aandrew: what's up with the dsp stuff yo
2017-06-18T09:33:41 < ohsix> https://www.amazon.com/Who-Fourier-Mathematical-Adventure-2nd/dp/0964350432 saw a copy of this today and it's really weird
2017-06-18T09:33:52 < ohsix> it's got like cutout things and drawings and dialogues like it is for little kids
2017-06-18T09:34:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya watched/read it this morning. kinda neat.
2017-06-18T09:35:06 < upgrdman> not sure if anyone cares, but i found some of these tech documentaries to be nice (but some a shit too)  https://github.com/sdmg15/Best-websites-a-programmer-should-visit#documentaries
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2017-06-18T10:00:55 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w-qHUhdjuE
2017-06-18T10:01:01 < ohsix> GOATS
2017-06-18T10:29:41 < Streaker> E
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2017-06-18T11:18:48 < dongs> stoner information exchange
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2017-06-18T11:40:44 < crt> STiNK
2017-06-18T11:41:35 < crt> The fucken STINK
2017-06-18T11:47:35 < dongs> sup R2WITHOUTVR
2017-06-18T11:48:14 < dongs> youre wasting your gamer hardware
2017-06-18T11:48:31 < dongs> like wat
2017-06-18T11:48:35 < dongs> new core i9-extreme?
2017-06-18T11:48:36 < dongs> oh
2017-06-18T11:48:40 < dongs> going pro eh
2017-06-18T11:49:03 < dongs> cant you just do 25mhz with a fucking f4-discovery
2017-06-18T11:49:11 < dongs> for $10
2017-06-18T11:50:23 < ReadErr> ^ liar
2017-06-18T11:51:07 < dongs> yeah so does any stm32
2017-06-18T11:51:14 < dongs> even the $0.30 f0 in tssop20
2017-06-18T11:51:27 < dongs> l0 is mostly nrnd anyway
2017-06-18T11:51:45 < dongs> its either f0 or l4 if you want low power.
2017-06-18T11:51:48 < crt> Whatta stinking mess
2017-06-18T11:51:54 < dongs> ST guys didnt recommend using L0 for new product
2017-06-18T11:52:14 < crt> Crappppppppp
2017-06-18T11:52:16 < crt> Hi
2017-06-18T11:52:17 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/ircChats
2017-06-18T11:52:22 < ReadErr> check oh my new twitter
2017-06-18T11:52:33 < ReadErr> dont forget to like, share & subscribe
2017-06-18T11:53:22 < crt> Hmm
2017-06-18T11:53:26 < ReadErr> been called worse
2017-06-18T11:53:30 < ReadErr> by better
2017-06-18T11:53:32 < dongs> wait, is l0 m0 or m3?
2017-06-18T11:53:41 < dongs> m3 is the one thats not recommnded
2017-06-18T11:53:43 < dongs> i guess thats L1
2017-06-18T11:53:43 < dongs> k
2017-06-18T11:53:47 < dongs> disregard, is uck cocks
2017-06-18T11:53:48 < crt> <steffan> Better stop pumping crt
2017-06-18T11:54:00 < dongs> i'm with R2COM on this one
2017-06-18T11:54:04 < dongs> that twitter is unfunny as fuck
2017-06-18T11:54:11 < crt> Duh
2017-06-18T11:54:23 < dongs> better keep your pumping in another channel, readstoner
2017-06-18T11:54:28 < crt> I need to cook
2017-06-18T11:54:28 < ReadErr> well its oonly a few hrs old
2017-06-18T11:54:39 < ReadErr> i am
2017-06-18T11:54:40 < dongs> crt, what a coincidence. me too.
2017-06-18T11:54:49 < dongs> i've been thinking to cook some tongue
2017-06-18T11:54:51 < crt> Yah bbl8r
2017-06-18T11:55:11 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-18T11:55:16 < dongs> good stuff.
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2017-06-18T12:04:20 < ohsix> it really is unfunny
2017-06-18T12:04:29 < ohsix> who is it for
2017-06-18T12:04:55 < ReadErr> mostly markov bots
2017-06-18T12:05:07 < ReadErr> and flyback's
2017-06-18T12:05:23 < ReadErr> but imma let w/e post to it
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2017-06-18T12:16:44 < ohsix> ah
2017-06-18T12:16:55 < ohsix> so it doesn't necessarily have an audience
2017-06-18T12:19:44 < ohsix> irc is kind of a shitty source for crazy given what's on twitter already
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2017-06-18T13:34:11 < Streaker> fucking idiots who don't understand freenode's rules and don't have the courtesy to follow the rule about not logging chats...
2017-06-18T13:34:34 < Streaker> *publicly
2017-06-18T13:39:44 < sync> there is no such rule Streaker
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2017-06-18T13:42:06 < Steffanx> They advice not to do it, but when it's done they advice to tell the users of a channel about it.. afaik Streaker
2017-06-18T13:42:20 < Steffanx> Did you know this channel is publicly logged Streaker?
2017-06-18T13:42:26 < Streaker> Yup.
2017-06-18T13:42:38 < Steffanx> Hows india in this time of the year?
2017-06-18T13:43:22 < Streaker> Alternately hotter than hell and wetter than the bottom of the ocean.
2017-06-18T13:43:43 < Streaker> Tropical rainforest everywhere you look.
2017-06-18T13:43:43 < Steffanx> !wz india
2017-06-18T13:43:44 < dieforirc> [Indianapolis, Indiana] Rain. Temp is 20.3°C. South wind: 3.2 kph. Humidity: 96%.
2017-06-18T13:43:49 < Steffanx> no, not that
2017-06-18T13:43:53 < Steffanx> !wz bombay
2017-06-18T13:43:53 < dieforirc> [Bombay, India] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 32°C but feels like 39°C. West wind: 22 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2017-06-18T13:44:07 < sync> !wz VAPO
2017-06-18T13:44:08 < dieforirc> Invalid API key.
2017-06-18T13:44:11 < sync> pfft
2017-06-18T13:44:12 < Steffanx> ^ like hte only india city i know
2017-06-18T13:44:16 < Steffanx> !wz vapo
2017-06-18T13:44:17 < sync> !wz PNQ
2017-06-18T13:44:17 < dieforirc> [VAPO, India] Rain. Temp is 31°C. WNW wind: 7 kph.
2017-06-18T13:44:19 < dieforirc> [PNQ, India] Rain. Temp is 31°C. WNW wind: 7 kph.
2017-06-18T13:44:22 < sync> ha!
2017-06-18T13:44:35 < Steffanx> englishman fails at lunix programming
2017-06-18T13:44:43 < Streaker> Are those airport codes?
2017-06-18T13:44:49 < sync> so it takes icao in lowercase and iata in caps
2017-06-18T13:44:55 < sync> yes
2017-06-18T13:45:06 < sync> englishman pls fix
2017-06-18T13:45:22 < Steffanx> !wz VAPO
2017-06-18T13:45:23 < dieforirc> [VAPO, India] Rain. Temp is 31°C. WNW wind: 7 kph.
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2017-06-18T13:45:31 < sync> de fuk
2017-06-18T13:45:33 < Steffanx> it does work, but .. sometimes it fails
2017-06-18T13:45:36 < sync> yeah
2017-06-18T13:45:51 < Steffanx> Sometimes it even gives the same results for 2 different queries
2017-06-18T13:46:27 < sync> in my experience airport codez work better than city names internationally
2017-06-18T13:47:04 < sync> !wz eddf
2017-06-18T13:47:05 < dieforirc> [EDDF, Germany] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 22.1°C. SW wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 76%.
2017-06-18T13:47:09 < sync> lel
2017-06-18T13:47:23 < sync> it cannot resolve the airport code to the city name
2017-06-18T13:47:54 < sync> !wz eham
2017-06-18T13:47:55 < dieforirc> [Eham, Cameroon] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 29°C. NNW wind: 5 kph.
2017-06-18T13:48:00 < sync> pfff
2017-06-18T13:48:04 < sync> !wz ams
2017-06-18T13:48:05 < dieforirc> [Amsterdam, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 26.4°C. NNE wind: 5.5 kph.
2017-06-18T13:48:21 < sync> what a pos :)
2017-06-18T14:03:12 < invzim> meh, I ordered 2x15 pin 1.27 smd headers and not 2x5
2017-06-18T14:03:37 < Steffanx> So you have 3 2x5s now.
2017-06-18T14:03:48 < invzim> yup - bit harder to cut than your normal pin headers tho :)
2017-06-18T14:04:34 < invzim> having them in front of me (shrouded 2x5 smd, shrouded 2x5 pth, unshrouded smd) I think I prefer the shrouded smd version
2017-06-18T14:04:45 < Streaker>  they dont break off if you bend them?
2017-06-18T14:04:55 < invzim> the plastic is soild
2017-06-18T14:04:57 < invzim> solid
2017-06-18T14:05:08 < invzim> they don't have grooves like the 2.54mm ones
2017-06-18T14:06:08 < invzim> so I actually have 2 x 2x5, one went flying somewhere and I can't find it :)
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2017-06-18T14:13:22 < dongs> hello bloggerrs
2017-06-18T14:13:32 < dongs> invzim: use a boxcutter
2017-06-18T14:13:36 < dongs> notch the plastic
2017-06-18T14:13:36 < dongs> snap
2017-06-18T14:13:42 < dongs> just as easy as 2.54mm shit
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2017-06-18T14:50:28 < zyp> invzim, agreed, shrouded smt version is the best variant
2017-06-18T14:50:35 < zyp> unshrouded ones are too fucking easy to bend
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2017-06-18T14:56:20 < Steffanx> And you always have to check the cable orientation..
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2017-06-18T15:55:01 < crt> Asperger
2017-06-18T15:56:59 < crt> Duck duck
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2017-06-18T17:30:59 < crt> Cats
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2017-06-18T17:41:22 < rajkosto> where do you guys get your adderall
2017-06-18T17:42:02 < BrainDamage> it's sugar high
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2017-06-18T18:10:36 < Laurenceb__> adderall
2017-06-18T18:10:37 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2017-06-18T18:13:31 < englishman> sync: Steffanx: it seems to work when you put city, country
2017-06-18T18:13:36 < englishman> !wz zwolle
2017-06-18T18:13:38 < dieforirc> [Zwolle, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 27.7°C. SE wind: 3.1 kph.
2017-06-18T18:13:46 < englishman> at least, if it doesnt find it with city only
2017-06-18T18:13:53 < sync> yeah probably
2017-06-18T18:14:17 < englishman> !wz cologne
2017-06-18T18:14:18 < dieforirc> [Cologne, Italy] Clear. Temp is 30.8°C. NW wind: 3.2 kph.
2017-06-18T18:14:21 < englishman> !wz cologne, germany
2017-06-18T18:14:22 < dieforirc> [Cologne, Germany] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 30.8°C.
2017-06-18T18:14:32 < englishman> nice day in yurop
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2017-06-18T18:20:33 < Lux> !wz innsbruck
2017-06-18T18:20:34 < dieforirc> [Innsbruck, Austria] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 25.6°C. ENE wind: 4.0 kph.
2017-06-18T18:20:45 < englishman> ohsix: 3 people who were in both the original twin peaks and the current one have already died
2017-06-18T18:22:47 < rajkosto>  is new twin peaks good
2017-06-18T18:28:03 < rajkosto> can you hook up SDRAM to stm32
2017-06-18T18:29:06 < jpa-> yes, if you pick an stm32 with sdram controller included
2017-06-18T18:29:16 < jpa-> (F429, F7 or similar)
2017-06-18T18:29:55 < englishman> the original twin peaks is high quality david lynch material
2017-06-18T18:30:02 < englishman> a classic
2017-06-18T18:30:22 < rajkosto> i only watched season1
2017-06-18T18:30:29 < rajkosto> the weird dream shit didnt start happening until season2
2017-06-18T18:30:57 < englishman> the new stuff is fun, a real continuation
2017-06-18T18:31:15 < rajkosto> i dont remember anything from season1 except rachel palmer was... found ?
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2017-06-18T18:47:42 < branjb> anyone know of a good tiny board to board interconnect that is ~30 pins, small, and cheap?
2017-06-18T18:48:09 < branjb> specifically looking for top/bottom mount
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2017-06-18T19:00:02 < rajkosto> is the SDRAM even performant ?
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2017-06-18T19:04:55 < jpa-> i would expect it to perform according to datasheet specifications
2017-06-18T19:05:10 < jpa-> of course external sdram is never as fast as on-chip sram
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2017-06-18T19:11:15 < englishman> man I hate that
2017-06-18T19:11:26 < englishman> "Does something work?
2017-06-18T19:11:33 < englishman> "Yea"
2017-06-18T19:11:47 < englishman> "But is it right for me?"
2017-06-18T19:13:37 < sync> "yes"
2017-06-18T19:19:23 < Thorn> how do I sallen-key with bjt and voltage gain
2017-06-18T19:19:30 < Thorn> do I add an emitter resistor and take the feedback from the emitter?
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2017-06-18T20:06:42 < englishman> ca va bien mon ptit feuille d'erable?
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2017-06-18T20:27:34 < Steffanx> Non
2017-06-18T20:28:06 < Steffanx> Je ne parle pas français, monsieur l'anglais
2017-06-18T20:29:06 < englishman> salut mon ami sous l'eau
2017-06-18T20:32:07 < sync> well, not yet
2017-06-18T20:32:16 < sync> and as long as the pumps can keep up with the rain...
2017-06-18T20:35:59 < Steffanx> Is it that bad in germany?
2017-06-18T20:36:05 < Steffanx> Its nice here now
2017-06-18T20:36:15 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2017-06-18T20:36:18 < dieforirc> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 32.5°C. SSW wind: 6.9 kph.
2017-06-18T20:36:22 < Steffanx> Lies
2017-06-18T20:36:26 < Steffanx> !wz zwolle
2017-06-18T20:36:29 < dieforirc> [Zwolle, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 27.6°C. SE wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 51%.
2017-06-18T20:36:36 < Steffanx> More like it
2017-06-18T20:55:08 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/mHBHuqX.jpg
2017-06-18T21:07:21 < sync> ready to be eaten soon
2017-06-18T21:20:01 < englishman> yep
2017-06-18T21:20:03 < englishman> just 4 weeks old
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2017-06-18T22:04:08 < Steffanx> You give them food to make th grow extra fast englishman ?
2017-06-18T22:10:48 < englishman> i dono about that but it for sure is not organic
2017-06-18T22:41:30 < Steffanx> Ok
2017-06-18T22:41:50 < Steffanx> You dont want to know what you'll be eating?
2017-06-18T22:42:43 < Steffanx> And youll do the butchering?
2017-06-18T22:43:18 < englishman> do you know what your chickens at the grocery store were fed?
2017-06-18T22:44:35 < Steffanx> No, but.. when i would grow them myself i would be interested
2017-06-18T22:45:11 < englishman> il check out the ingredients on the food bag... should be interesting
2017-06-18T22:45:16 < englishman> if there is even an ingredients list
2017-06-18T22:45:32 < englishman> im pretty there is a picture of a chicken so its probably for chickens
2017-06-18T22:45:33 < Steffanx> Probably boring as hell you mean
2017-06-18T22:47:24 < Steffanx> On the other hand, they can eat virtually everything
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2017-06-18T22:50:56 < Steffanx> You bought them as chicks right? Will you be hatching your own chicks soon? That part is pretty damn easy, even with a cheap skate hatching machine.
2017-06-18T22:51:08 < englishman> nah they are all male
2017-06-18T22:51:24 < Steffanx> Awh.
2017-06-18T22:51:35 < englishman> wifeishman wants some hens after this batch tho, for eggs
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2017-06-18T22:59:33 < Steffanx> Chicks.
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2017-06-19T02:06:31 < Laurenceb__> Under Bill C-16, Canadians who deny gender theory could be charged with hate crimes, fined, jailed, and compelled to undergo anti-bias training.
2017-06-19T02:06:35 < Laurenceb__> I liek dis
2017-06-19T02:26:39 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb__: fuck what are your immigration laws like
2017-06-19T02:26:41 < tpw_rules> when can i come
2017-06-19T02:26:59 < Laurenceb__> lul I dunno
2017-06-19T02:27:19 < Laurenceb__> prob easier to come from Canada than most places
2017-06-19T02:27:27 < tpw_rules> dang
2017-06-19T02:27:31 < tpw_rules> i'm in the US
2017-06-19T02:27:56 < tpw_rules> just went to pride yesterday and the god is gonna kill you people had their own party bus
2017-06-19T02:28:07 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2017-06-19T02:28:19 < Laurenceb__> tpw_rules is homo?
2017-06-19T02:28:26 < tpw_rules> they took a food truck and painted it in flames and jesus stuff
2017-06-19T02:28:27 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-06-19T02:28:47 < Laurenceb__> wait ur homo and WBC are scaring you out of the country?!
2017-06-19T02:28:56 < Laurenceb__> but irc is all cool amirite?
2017-06-19T02:28:57 < tpw_rules> i mean technically
2017-06-19T02:29:09 < tpw_rules> mostly the heat is
2017-06-19T02:29:18 < Laurenceb__> not sure if troll
2017-06-19T02:29:28 < tpw_rules> no i live in the south. i'm for real
2017-06-19T02:29:31 < tpw_rules> but i'm not scared
2017-06-19T02:29:32 < tpw_rules> it was just funny
2017-06-19T02:29:41 < tpw_rules> the most offensive thing i saw was a guy with an #xfinityLGBT shirt
2017-06-19T02:29:58 < tpw_rules> if you want i'll upload a pic
2017-06-19T02:30:23 < Laurenceb__> fyi I was being ironic earlier
2017-06-19T02:30:23 < tpw_rules> of the bus
2017-06-19T02:31:03 < tpw_rules> well that interpretation is ironic so it's okay
2017-06-19T02:32:00 < tpw_rules> oh god no what the fuck has imgur done with their urls
2017-06-19T02:32:12 < tpw_rules> https://i.imgur.com/original/1/c/D/6/1cD6s7r anyway
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2017-06-19T02:58:46 < dongs> englishman: https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1496723553/vbdgdo8yaepbtpn6nchs.jpg theres your yamaha feeders
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2017-06-19T03:46:55 < englishman> dongs: ? they arent CL
2017-06-19T03:46:57 < englishman> is that your machine
2017-06-19T03:47:06 < englishman> doing indiegogo work
2017-06-19T03:47:26 < englishman> hm no yours isnt like that either
2017-06-19T03:48:09 < dongs> This document is confidential and intended solely for attendees of IC RE 101 @REcon Montreal 2017
2017-06-19T03:51:06 < englishman> .cx domain nice
2017-06-19T03:51:25 < englishman> $2500 cad for the course
2017-06-19T03:51:34 < dongs> yes
2017-06-19T03:53:56 < englishman> im sure it's chock full of helpful tools
2017-06-19T03:58:45 < englishman> dongs, you could probably learn more from professionals like this http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/rcmp-uses-fruit-machine-to-detect-gays
2017-06-19T04:07:01 < dongs> asdfasdfjkl
2017-06-19T04:07:02 < dongs> what hte ufck
2017-06-19T04:07:26 < dongs> why hte shit is tab completion busted
2017-06-19T04:07:36 < dongs> englishman: sx7212 thing needs liek a week leadtime
2017-06-19T04:07:41 < dongs> send shit first, or wait
2017-06-19T04:08:15 < englishman> ff
2017-06-19T04:08:27 < englishman> hrm
2017-06-19T04:08:38 < englishman> send. and cancel that stupid part
2017-06-19T04:08:45 < englishman> just ship the legit one
2017-06-19T04:09:07 < englishman> refund the $24 plz too, otherwise accountant will hate me
2017-06-19T04:13:12 < Laurenceb__>  detect gays?!
2017-06-19T04:13:19 < Laurenceb__> gaydar confirmed
2017-06-19T04:13:29 < Laurenceb__> test on tpw_rules
2017-06-19T04:13:41 < tpw_rules> no i don'
2017-06-19T04:13:43 < tpw_rules> t have a gaydar
2017-06-19T04:14:09 < Laurenceb__> sx7212
2017-06-19T04:14:19 < Laurenceb__> dongs confirmed as lora fanboy
2017-06-19T04:16:26 < dongs> https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/06/01/introducing-the-next-generation-of-skype/ nobody fucking asked for this
2017-06-19T04:18:12 < englishman> when do they introduce the previous generation of skype
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2017-06-19T04:33:39 < ColdKeyboard> Is anyone using CMake and Mingw32 to compile STM32F projects?
2017-06-19T04:34:27 < ColdKeyboard> I'm trying to find example CMakeLists.txt for STM32F that compiles but so far I've got to the point where finding, including and compiling files works fine, but when it comes to linking it fails
2017-06-19T04:34:43 < dongs> no, we all use keil
2017-06-19T04:34:55 < ColdKeyboard> lol
2017-06-19T04:35:13 < ColdKeyboard> always the funny one dobson
2017-06-19T04:35:19 < ColdKeyboard> *always the funny one dongs
2017-06-19T04:38:01 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/xIolo.gif
2017-06-19T04:38:04 < englishman> ahem
2017-06-19T04:38:07 < englishman> keil is no joke
2017-06-19T04:38:24 < englishman> cmake on the other hand
2017-06-19T04:38:25 < englishman> is
2017-06-19T04:40:33 < ColdKeyboard> Windows 95 has better UI and UX than keil :)
2017-06-19T04:41:35 < dongs> those words, I don't think you know what they mean
2017-06-19T04:41:47 < englishman> and a 80x60 character console?
2017-06-19T04:42:41 < dongs> x60?
2017-06-19T04:42:49 < dongs> did lunix figure out how to do smaller fonts now
2017-06-19T04:42:52 < dongs> i thought it was 80x25
2017-06-19T04:44:35 < englishman> dono, the only console i use is putty, probably windows is capable of supporting lunix better than linux is
2017-06-19T04:45:20 < dongs> its funny because its true :(
2017-06-19T04:52:02 < dongs> lol, much rage
2017-06-19T04:52:10 < dongs> R2COM: did englishman pee in your cereal this morning
2017-06-19T04:52:21 < dongs> ive been thinking of doing some farming too
2017-06-19T04:56:24 < englishman> dongs, please don't highlight me when chatting to that retard
2017-06-19T04:56:32 < dongs> haha
2017-06-19T04:56:40 < englishman> it is easy enough to see when he is chatting by the endless chats of people telling someone they are wrong
2017-06-19T05:01:28 < dongs> imagine if it was o6 vs r2
2017-06-19T05:01:36 < dongs> they could probly tell each other they're wrong for hours
2017-06-19T05:01:40 < dongs> if they didnt have mutual ignore on
2017-06-19T05:02:27 < dongs> yeah everyone sane does
2017-06-19T05:02:51 < dongs> flyback is too dumb to be ignored
2017-06-19T05:02:57 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/ircChats/status/876364697494224897
2017-06-19T05:03:07 < ReadError> ill make a victim outta you R2COM
2017-06-19T05:03:24 < ReadError> slave to a page in my rhyme book
2017-06-19T05:03:30 < ReadError> hey I bet you like alex jones dont u
2017-06-19T05:03:59 < ReadError> come on now
2017-06-19T05:04:04 < ReadError> dont lie
2017-06-19T05:06:25 < ReadError> err I posted the wrong tweet
2017-06-19T05:07:22 < ReadError> oh theres a lot of people that worship that guy
2017-06-19T05:07:46 < ReadError> he sounds like he deepthroats a few dicks and swallows some jugs of semen before each show
2017-06-19T05:08:48 < ReadError>  oh so you think sandyhook was fake then?
2017-06-19T05:09:37 < ReadError> uh, not too many
2017-06-19T05:09:50 < ReadError> quit avoiding the question
2017-06-19T05:09:53 < ReadError> its cut/dry
2017-06-19T05:09:59 < ReadError> fake vs notfake
2017-06-19T05:10:31 < ReadError> well you are smarter than some of his fans then
2017-06-19T05:12:27 < ReadErr> well actually
2017-06-19T05:12:32 < ReadErr> knives are pretty banned
2017-06-19T05:13:00 < ReadErr> I got a pretty dope knife
2017-06-19T05:13:03 < ReadErr> OTF
2017-06-19T05:13:27 < ReadErr> doubt ill ever need to stab anyone tho
2017-06-19T05:13:37 < ReadErr> ehhh kitchen knife?
2017-06-19T05:14:06 < dongs> just uninstalled skype from mobile
2017-06-19T05:15:09 < dongs> political chats are fucking boring
2017-06-19T05:15:20 < dongs> R2COM why dont you stream some of your orcad layout
2017-06-19T05:15:30 < dongs> so we can all see how pro your soft is
2017-06-19T05:15:40 < dongs> i spent 4 hours this weekend routing 10 leds
2017-06-19T05:15:41 < dongs> in altidumb
2017-06-19T05:16:01 < ReadErr> simulations lol
2017-06-19T05:16:08 < ReadErr> I think someone is lying
2017-06-19T05:16:18 < dongs> i simulate by making $5 for 10 chinapcb
2017-06-19T05:16:33 < dongs> and if it doesnt work, i jsut make another one
2017-06-19T05:16:57 < ReadErr> called.out@r2com
2017-06-19T05:17:27 < ReadErr> i bet r2com would have some lame music on his stream though
2017-06-19T05:18:12 < ReadErr> 'simulations'
2017-06-19T05:18:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg4ygeG0qiw this is R2COM routing music
2017-06-19T05:18:19 < ReadErr> sounds more like masturabation to me
2017-06-19T05:18:27 < ReadErr> just go in
2017-06-19T05:19:20 < ReadErr> jesus fuck that looks horrible
2017-06-19T05:19:48 < ReadErr> well for starters
2017-06-19T05:19:54 < ReadErr> split that way
2017-06-19T05:20:03 < ReadErr> just seems like a huge waste of space
2017-06-19T05:20:45 < ReadErr> the colors are kinda ugly
2017-06-19T05:21:00 < ReadErr> not much going on in the line/AA dept
2017-06-19T05:21:07 < ReadErr> looks like 95'
2017-06-19T05:21:57 < ReadErr> I would probably need copious amounts of drugs to even look at that for more than 3 minutes
2017-06-19T05:22:30 < dongs> http://boingboing.net/2010/08/16/canadian-peter-meter.html
2017-06-19T05:22:32 < ReadErr> #boring #fake
2017-06-19T05:22:36 < ReadErr> #yhbt
2017-06-19T05:23:00 < dongs> wtf
2017-06-19T05:23:06 < dongs> R2COM: that png doesnt load
2017-06-19T05:23:11 < dongs> < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/VkKvuwr.png
2017-06-19T05:23:15 < dongs> did tyou delete it
2017-06-19T05:23:51 < dongs> it redirects to like https://i.imgur.com/original/V/k/K/v/VkKvuwr tehn fails
2017-06-19T05:24:19 < dongs> 164 views???
2017-06-19T05:24:23 < dongs> did you paste that shit int ostackexchange
2017-06-19T05:24:31 < dongs> https://imgur.com/VkKvuwr
2017-06-19T05:24:34 < dongs> says 165 views
2017-06-19T05:26:23 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/Hwq8HwZ.png
2017-06-19T05:26:27 < ReadErr> try that
2017-06-19T05:26:37 < dongs> yeah taht works
2017-06-19T05:28:00 < dongs> Business Insider is er ook in Nederland.
2017-06-19T05:28:00 < dongs> Wij brengen elke dag wat je wil weten over ondernemen, tech, carrière en personal finance.
2017-06-19T05:29:01 < dongs> cool. chrome crashed again dragging across monitors.
2017-06-19T05:29:53 < englishman> this toshiba is freezing up even more lately
2017-06-19T05:29:57 < englishman> did yours ever do that
2017-06-19T05:30:21 < dongs> no
2017-06-19T05:30:29 < englishman> fff
2017-06-19T05:30:34 < dongs> are you running clean install of windows 10 creators update
2017-06-19T05:30:42 < dongs> (the latest and greatest windows ever)
2017-06-19T05:31:05 < englishman> no but its been doing it since new
2017-06-19T05:31:13 < englishman> put on fresh win10 about a year ago
2017-06-19T05:31:20 < englishman> no bluescreen just freezes
2017-06-19T05:31:34 < englishman> also the touchpad never got fixed, put the wire in and nothing changed
2017-06-19T05:31:36 < englishman> japs, never again
2017-06-19T05:33:52 < ReadErr> idk looks boring
2017-06-19T05:34:17 < ReadErr> looooool
2017-06-19T05:36:42 < dongs> i thought this was #troll32
2017-06-19T05:36:56 < dongs> i mean, i'm probably the biggest professional troll in here
2017-06-19T05:37:05 < dongs> everyone is just a tryhard to be as cool as me
2017-06-19T05:37:10 < dongs> (like readstoner)
2017-06-19T05:37:32 < ReadErr> <-- will never achieve gary nigger level greatness
2017-06-19T05:37:40  * ReadErr acknowledges that
2017-06-19T05:39:17 < englishman> yes someday we'll all refuse to learn how to use browser tabs, then proness will be achieved
2017-06-19T05:39:29 < ReadErr> hahah
2017-06-19T05:39:42 < ReadErr> ya thats a bit to out there for me, polar opposite
2017-06-19T05:39:55 < ReadErr> i open new browser windows when i cant read the tabs anymore
2017-06-19T05:39:59 < englishman> funny since in his livedong the other day, there he was using schematic tabs
2017-06-19T05:40:01 < dongs> browser tabs are for people who use lunix
2017-06-19T05:41:32 < dongs> easy solution
2017-06-19T05:41:36 < dongs> dont browse porn
2017-06-19T05:42:23 < dongs> browsers have this feature called 'open new window'
2017-06-19T05:43:07 < ReadErr> where you like a big IE fan
2017-06-19T05:43:18 < ReadErr> since they got in the tab game kinda late
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2017-06-19T05:45:43 < ReadErr> oh this guy...shit
2017-06-19T05:45:49 < crt> Sup dong
2017-06-19T05:49:36 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/K8bq7NDk/IMG_0352.JPG
2017-06-19T05:58:08 < Thorn> is the emitter supposed to have a dc path to ground here http://www.electrosmash.com/images/tech/ce-2/sallen-key-low-pass-topologies.png
2017-06-19T05:58:40 < dongs> crt: more like FFFFFFFFU
2017-06-19T06:04:27 < crt> Heh
2017-06-19T06:10:55 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/NDNKhgc.gifv
2017-06-19T06:11:59 < crt> cvnbcvbn56
2017-06-19T06:14:01 < dongs> crt: thanks foir your paypal password, draining your account now
2017-06-19T06:14:16 < crt> these cunts cant fucking do anything right
2017-06-19T06:21:02 < crt> cockthristy fuckmuppet gloryhole gangsters
2017-06-19T06:22:04 < Streaker> Very badly drawn schematic.
2017-06-19T06:22:45 < Streaker> Yes, the emitter is supposed to go to ground through R.
2017-06-19T06:25:44 < Streaker> It's so confusing when memory addresses jump by 4 instead of incrementing by 1.
2017-06-19T06:26:46 < Streaker> When they say a stm32f103 has 64k of memory, it should be 64k of 32 bit words.
2017-06-19T06:26:58 < Streaker> Isn't that logical?
2017-06-19T06:27:08 < dongs> what
2017-06-19T06:27:15 < dongs> Streaker: who teh fuck are you talking to
2017-06-19T06:27:20 < Streaker> Me.
2017-06-19T06:27:27 < dongs>  Streaker> When they say a stm32f103 has 64k of memory, it should be 64k of 32 bit words.
2017-06-19T06:27:35 < dongs> no it means it has 64kilobytes of flash
2017-06-19T06:27:54 < Streaker> Yeah that's so unintuitive.
2017-06-19T06:28:00 < dongs> not 256k of flash
2017-06-19T06:28:01 < dongs> no its not.
2017-06-19T06:28:20 < dongs> do you measure your hdd space in unallocated sectors
2017-06-19T06:28:28 < dongs> or in like, kilobytes
2017-06-19T06:28:39 < Streaker> Having consecutive memory addresses jump by 4 is not unintuitive?
2017-06-19T06:28:47 < dongs> it doens't
2017-06-19T06:29:24 < Streaker> It doesn't?
2017-06-19T06:29:28 < dongs> no
2017-06-19T06:29:37 < dongs> ram at 0x2000000 or wahtever.
2017-06-19T06:29:43 < dongs> 0x200000001 for next byte
2017-06-19T06:29:52 < dongs> flash @ 0 , next byte at 1, etc.
2017-06-19T06:29:56 < dongs> it does not fucking jump by 4.
2017-06-19T06:30:35 < Thorn> looks like it does need a path to gnd
2017-06-19T06:30:36 < Streaker> So a single fetch fetches 4 instructions?
2017-06-19T06:30:36 < Thorn> my filter seems to work now
2017-06-19T06:31:19 < dongs> Streaker: can't you autism over something more important
2017-06-19T06:31:42 < Streaker> Such as?
2017-06-19T06:31:45 < dongs> not sure
2017-06-19T06:33:26 < Streaker> Which is a good book for arm assembly?
2017-06-19T06:34:30 < Thorn> yiu
2017-06-19T06:35:05 < Streaker> That guy has a book for everything
2017-06-19T06:36:00 < dongs> why would you even carea bout ARM assembly
2017-06-19T06:36:01 < dongs> in 2017
2017-06-19T06:36:25 < Thorn> debugging
2017-06-19T06:36:31 < Streaker> fun
2017-06-19T06:39:10 < dongs> thorn, not to the point of needing a book
2017-06-19T06:42:10 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YpD5RKdy/IMG_0353.JPG
2017-06-19T06:42:16 < crt> apprently cleaned?
2017-06-19T06:42:26 < Thorn> here is a book http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1118563344.html
2017-06-19T06:42:38 < Thorn> it's pretty outdated though, M3 only
2017-06-19T06:43:13 < Thorn> but cheap, only 103 euros
2017-06-19T06:44:13 < Thorn> 2nd  hit in google is a pdf lol
2017-06-19T06:44:57 < dongs> hosted on some shitty canadian .edu no less
2017-06-19T07:00:36 < crt> toilet
2017-06-19T07:05:10 < ReadErr> i have toilet
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2017-06-19T07:17:02 < crt> cool
2017-06-19T07:17:09 < crt> dah2871
2017-06-19T07:17:49 < crt> dnk6030
2017-06-19T07:19:24 < crt> its really cool when people spill a drink in their cdj2000 and then go at it with a heatgun to 'dry it'
2017-06-19T07:22:55 < crt> nice way to add $200 onto a repair
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2017-06-19T07:35:11 < crt> yeah fuck it
2017-06-19T07:35:19 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ZFktqTA.gifv
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2017-06-19T07:37:34 < crt> heh
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2017-06-19T08:37:36 < upgrdman> for software (not firmware) what languages do you guys like? c# is the new hotness. is c++ still common?
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2017-06-19T08:44:00 < ohsix> englishman: yea it is nuts (twin peaks)
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2017-06-19T08:45:31 < ohsix> there are a lot that are just there, like nadine is in one insert while jacoby is streaming, and that's it so far
2017-06-19T08:47:48 < ohsix> ascribing special meaning to the timing is something i want to do, but it is just a coincidence, and we were lucky to see some of them again
2017-06-19T08:48:26 < ohsix> now i forgot what i attached to irc for :|
2017-06-19T08:50:08 < ohsix> englishman: a lot of people that loved the series hated fire walk with me, i'm glad they respect it in the new one
2017-06-19T08:50:50 < ohsix> i think they found the pages bob stole in last weeks episode ololol
2017-06-19T08:50:58 < ohsix> going to watch this weeks, bbl
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2017-06-19T10:09:15 < Steffanx> Spoiler alert ohsix?
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2017-06-19T10:50:03 < Steffanx> Lol englishman
2017-06-19T10:50:29 < Steffanx> Intel stop selling Galileo, Edison and Joule :o
2017-06-19T10:50:36 < Steffanx> stops*
2017-06-19T10:54:16 < crt> Lol
2017-06-19T10:54:30 < crt> I want pizza
2017-06-19T10:56:46 < kakimir> lol
2017-06-19T10:57:09 < crt> Hi kakimir
2017-06-19T10:57:11 < kakimir> should we take some shopping tour in the city today
2017-06-19T10:57:19 < crt> Yes
2017-06-19T10:57:40 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TacFtQqT/IMG_0354.JPG
2017-06-19T10:59:37 < kakimir> what is it
2017-06-19T11:03:20 < crt> Trouble
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2017-06-19T11:43:57 < rajkosto> hi guys how do i computer
2017-06-19T11:44:45 < kakimir> dont know
2017-06-19T11:59:04 < rajkosto> you get the little jumper pin cables (10 of them) and a miniusb cable if you buy the 11.5$ devboard i mentioned yesterday
2017-06-19T11:59:06 < rajkosto> mine just arrived
2017-06-19T12:18:31 < rajkosto> where to find schematic for it tho
2017-06-19T12:34:52 < karlp> Steffanx: lol re intel shitty boards :)
2017-06-19T12:46:58 < crt> Intel krap
2017-06-19T13:00:46 < Steffanx> Yeah karlp. englishman was going to get rid of some stm32 and move the functionality to an edison.. oops
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2017-06-19T13:05:39 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BVJYaZUjsFy/
2017-06-19T13:06:37 < Thorn> link plz about intel stopping edison sales
2017-06-19T13:06:37 < Steffanx> I dont want to, but i have to say it Thorn: autism
2017-06-19T13:07:49 < rajkosto> Steffanx, not even the first or best project to do that
2017-06-19T13:08:43 < rajkosto> there's one that's running at 4MHz and is running a web server
2017-06-19T13:08:52 < rajkosto> and has a ton of LEDs and a huge box, and looks cool
2017-06-19T13:09:39 < rajkosto> http://www.homebrewcpu.com/
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2017-06-19T13:13:08 < Thorn> test
2017-06-19T13:13:30 < crt> Yes
2017-06-19T13:13:35 < crt> https://youtu.be/PvlaZBxY6i0
2017-06-19T13:13:44 < Thorn> my messages were lagging by 30 min again
2017-06-19T13:20:22 < crt> Ok
2017-06-19T13:20:27 < crt> How bout mine
2017-06-19T13:20:49 < rajkosto> how does that even happen
2017-06-19T13:20:59 < rajkosto> thats way beyond any tcp timeouts
2017-06-19T13:26:22 < Thorn> all other messages were arriving without delays so my end was sending acks immediately so it's not a network delay
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2017-06-19T13:35:27 < Ultrasauce> man that breadboard computer is fucking crazy
2017-06-19T13:35:37 < Ultrasauce> probably stops working if you sit down in front of it
2017-06-19T13:47:10 < tpw_rules> my fav was that relay powered one
2017-06-19T13:47:21 < tpw_rules> except he cheated and used a 32Kbyte sram chip. but that was the only chip
2017-06-19T13:48:17 < crt> Shit
2017-06-19T13:49:05 < tpw_rules> me irl
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2017-06-19T14:07:26 < Thorn> http://fabiensanglard.net/rayTracing_back_of_business_card/index.php
2017-06-19T14:09:19 < tpw_rules> i've got a postscript ray tracer somewhere
2017-06-19T14:09:26 < tpw_rules> it took like 20 minutes to print
2017-06-19T14:09:46 < crt> Cregs list
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2017-06-19T14:10:17 < crt> Cregs
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2017-06-19T14:24:44 < rajkosto> AAAAAAMIIIIIIIGAAAAAAA ?
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2017-06-19T14:54:18 < englishman> Steffanx: LOL
2017-06-19T14:55:31 < englishman> but yeah, link plz
2017-06-19T14:57:14 < Steffanx> It was a dutch source
2017-06-19T14:57:20 < Steffanx> Let me chexk
2017-06-19T14:59:59 < karlp> englishman: I got all pdfs PCNs from intel, from teh dutch sites, after a bit of clikgin around.
2017-06-19T15:00:04 < karlp> it's over d00d
2017-06-19T15:00:09 < Steffanx> Indeed
2017-06-19T15:00:20 < Steffanx> Was about to tell you to google for  edison Product Change Notification
2017-06-19T15:00:23 < englishman> great
2017-06-19T15:00:30 < englishman> should i complete this product before telling them that
2017-06-19T15:00:31 < Steffanx> Cant paste pdf using phone
2017-06-19T15:00:32 < englishman> so i get another contract
2017-06-19T15:00:35 < Steffanx> Haha
2017-06-19T15:00:45 < Steffanx> Meh.
2017-06-19T15:01:14 < englishman> Last Product Discontinuance Shipment Date: December 16, 2017
2017-06-19T15:01:15 < englishman> lol
2017-06-19T15:02:19 < sync> rekt
2017-06-19T15:05:10 < englishman> well i guess that means more work for me
2017-06-19T15:05:12 < englishman> thanks steffy
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2017-06-19T15:14:34 < Steffanx> Thank you welcome!
2017-06-19T15:17:11 < Steffanx> Not sure if good or bad news englishman
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2017-06-19T15:29:23 < englishman> did you know arrow hasn't even shipped my shit that i ordered wednesday
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2017-06-19T15:34:24 < Steffanx> Yes, i know that.
2017-06-19T15:34:28 < Steffanx> Because ARROW
2017-06-19T15:35:42 < englishman> actually they shipped ONE line from the order
2017-06-19T15:35:47 < englishman> which will arrive today
2017-06-19T15:35:58 < englishman> of course not the stuff i need
2017-06-19T15:36:01 < englishman> ....fucking ARROW
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2017-06-19T15:46:53 < englishman> Toronto man finds gun possibly used in homicide, accidentally shoots typewriter
2017-06-19T15:47:37 < Thorn> , charged with illegal possession of typewriter
2017-06-19T15:49:54 < englishman> wow, it was a Vis pistol
2017-06-19T15:49:59 < englishman> why do criminals get all the good stuff
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2017-06-19T15:58:20 < sync> well, if it is a ww2 one it probably sucks
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2017-06-19T16:46:03 < Laurenceb__> all kicking off in UK right now
2017-06-19T16:48:02 < Thorn> why is my pwm output high when I stop the timer
2017-06-19T16:48:12 < Thorn> even if I set CCR to 0
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2017-06-19T17:14:43 < Thorn> I have shadow CCR enabled so UG after CCR=0 did the trick
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2017-06-19T17:21:46 < karlp> Laurenceb__: what now?
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2017-06-19T18:19:36 < Laurenceb__> >Mummy May wearing a ridiculously oversized rapper style chain
2017-06-19T18:20:11 < Thorn> my stm32 is now meowing loudly but the voltage across the speaker is still <1V
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2017-06-19T18:39:15 < englishman> DM3 is rated to 80C
2017-06-19T18:39:21 < englishman> er CM3
2017-06-19T18:41:12 < englishman> Compute Module hardware design guide: Notes for designing with the Compute Module
2017-06-19T18:41:13 < englishman> For design guidelines please see the Compute Module datasheet.
2017-06-19T18:41:15 < englishman> thanks guys
2017-06-19T18:45:16 < rajkosto> Thorn, AC ?
2017-06-19T18:48:47 < Thorn> yes p-p
2017-06-19T19:02:01 < Steffanx> Didnt zyp design his power measurement module around an edison as well?
2017-06-19T19:03:01 < karlp> he had started at least, yes.
2017-06-19T19:03:19 < karlp> though he perhaps only got as far as planning on using that high density connector for his cpu board.
2017-06-19T19:03:45 < karlp> englishman: looking at rpi3-cm for edison replacement?
2017-06-19T19:03:52 < englishman> yes
2017-06-19T19:03:56 < englishman> probably lite
2017-06-19T19:04:16 < Steffanx> He did seperate the measuring part from the edison board iirc
2017-06-19T19:08:53 < invzim> any of you ship single products directly to consumer?
2017-06-19T19:13:44 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAM7BCFt4Tk
2017-06-19T19:16:56 < karlp> what are the options scrolling past?
2017-06-19T19:17:03 < karlp> what do I get to do for the different payment levels?
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2017-06-19T19:18:04 < Thorn> those are donors not options lol
2017-06-19T19:21:55 < rajkosto> how do you even donate in rubles for russian people ?
2017-06-19T19:22:10 < rajkosto> paypal doesnt work i assume
2017-06-19T19:22:53 < Thorn> it does
2017-06-19T19:23:14 < rajkosto> from any country ?
2017-06-19T19:23:37 < rajkosto> any russian store i saw only shipped to russia and only accepted weird payment methods
2017-06-19T19:23:41 < rajkosto> nothing standard
2017-06-19T19:24:52 < Thorn> it should afaik
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2017-06-19T19:30:09 < karlp> rajkosto: some/many russian stores are kinda like those us stores, that simply don't even consider people outside to be customers
2017-06-19T19:31:28 < karlp> thrown in a little nationalism and it's pretty easy to see, "fuck no, we don't sell to no steenkin chechens, georgians or azerbaijanis, let alon you fucking ukrainian two faced traitors" and that's before you get to the rest of the world.
2017-06-19T19:32:18 < rajkosto> i guess
2017-06-19T19:32:21 < rajkosto> i mean, russia big
2017-06-19T19:33:52 < Thorn> clearing packages for export is next to impossible if you attempt to do it completely legally, I guess that is the biggest problem
2017-06-19T19:35:22 < Thorn> unless you sell on ebay as a private person
2017-06-19T19:37:14 < Steffanx> That's what you get for shooting down an aeroplane with quite a few passengers.
2017-06-19T19:37:42 < rajkosto> what is the pinout of the TFT connector
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2017-06-19T19:41:14 < Thorn> it has nothing to do with sanctions, local regulations are 100x worse for business than any imaginable sanctions
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2017-06-19T19:53:30 < Laurenceb__> remember to walk your van daily or it could become agressive
2017-06-19T19:54:24 < Laurenceb__>  #notallvans
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2017-06-19T19:57:26 < englishman> > Last date for Edison orders is two months after we're planning to go to production.
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2017-06-19T20:01:44 < Laurenceb__> https://www.openrent.co.uk/property-to-rent/london/2-bed-flat-grenfell-tower-w11/168071
2017-06-19T20:04:01 < Laurenceb__> wew
2017-06-19T20:04:13 < Laurenceb__> van attackers number was just posted on /pol/
2017-06-19T20:05:21 < Steffanx> looked nice Laurenceb__.
2017-06-19T20:05:40 < Laurenceb__>  _looked_
2017-06-19T20:06:09 < Steffanx> but a damn 2k per month :S
2017-06-19T20:06:34 < Steffanx> The people on TV didnt really look like people that could afford that.
2017-06-19T20:07:28 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/Qaht4OS
2017-06-19T20:07:39 < Laurenceb__> shit just got real
2017-06-19T20:08:33 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/4b3h6sG
2017-06-19T20:11:04 < englishman> holy shit 2k gbp per month for a filing cabinet
2017-06-19T20:11:13 < englishman> with 3k gbp deposit
2017-06-19T20:11:37 < englishman> oh, furnished?
2017-06-19T20:11:41 < englishman> rather nice then
2017-06-19T20:13:47 < Steffanx> still 2k
2017-06-19T20:14:39 < englishman> sure but isnt it in the middle of a huge city
2017-06-19T20:14:49 < englishman> youre supposed to be making 100k+
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2017-06-19T20:15:43 < englishman> living there on minimum wage would be like moving to san francisco and making less than 500k
2017-06-19T20:15:51 < englishman> like why bother?
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2017-06-19T20:24:59 < karlp> that grenfell place is 76m², my house is only 77m²
2017-06-19T20:25:08 < karlp> but I do have a door that opens out in a (shared) garden)
2017-06-19T20:25:16 < karlp> and I don't have all that hideos glass furniture
2017-06-19T20:29:49 < karlp> my mortgage is only about 1500 pounds though
2017-06-19T20:33:50 < karlp> I think I live a lot closer to "town" than grenfell is too.
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2017-06-19T20:58:50 < zyp> is 76m2 supposed to be small?
2017-06-19T21:00:52 < zyp> hmm
2017-06-19T21:01:00 < zyp> new chapter in the ISP saga:
2017-06-19T21:02:13 < zyp> got an email from $oldisp today, they're running a promotion where I can switch to a faster plan and keep paying my old rate for three months
2017-06-19T21:02:36 < zyp> so now I have 160/15 rather than 80/15
2017-06-19T21:02:39 < zyp> ref. http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6390037884
2017-06-19T21:03:47 < zyp> and within three months, $newisp should have hooked up their fiber, so I'll cancel the $oldisp contract before I'll actually have to start paying for the faster plan
2017-06-19T21:05:26 < Lux> zyp: how much do you pay for that plan ?
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2017-06-19T21:06:02 < zyp> too much
2017-06-19T21:06:08 < tpw_rules> "should"
2017-06-19T21:06:10 < tpw_rules> that's a lot of faith
2017-06-19T21:06:30 < englishman> how fast is microSD
2017-06-19T21:06:32 < zyp> 699 NOK/mo, that's a bit over $80 at the current exchange rate
2017-06-19T21:06:40 < englishman> like, how far away can i put it before i need to think about it
2017-06-19T21:07:13 < englishman> count your blessings zyp
2017-06-19T21:07:13 < zyp> but the slower plans aren't significantly cheaper
2017-06-19T21:07:43 < zyp> https://www.get.no/v3/bredb%C3%A5nd/bredb%C3%A5nd-uten-tv <- here's the plans
2017-06-19T21:07:58 < zyp> 599 for 35/10 is the cheapest
2017-06-19T21:08:13 < zyp> but eh
2017-06-19T21:08:13 < Lux> that's steep, if you are lucky here and you have fiber you'd get 300/30 for that price
2017-06-19T21:08:37 < Lux> in austria that is
2017-06-19T21:08:43 < zyp> well, $newisp is hooking me up with 500/500 for 699
2017-06-19T21:08:51 < englishman> nice
2017-06-19T21:09:01 < Lux> nice :)
2017-06-19T21:09:16 < englishman> there are still 25gb capped internet plans here for $42
2017-06-19T21:09:21 < Lux> just make sure your router will handle it
2017-06-19T21:09:23 < englishman> 10/1.5
2017-06-19T21:09:48 < sync> I would take 500/500 for $80
2017-06-19T21:09:52 < Steffanx> uten TV means it includes TV etc zyp?
2017-06-19T21:09:59 < Steffanx> and phone ( you probably dnt use that but ... )
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2017-06-19T21:10:02 < zyp> Lux, it should, I've got an erpoe-5
2017-06-19T21:10:08 < zyp> Steffanx, uten = without
2017-06-19T21:10:12 < Steffanx> oh.
2017-06-19T21:10:12 < Lux> i had 100/100 once and got capped to 50 by some crappy router
2017-06-19T21:10:35 < Steffanx> 160/15 is kinda useless compared to 80/15 imho
2017-06-19T21:10:44 < Steffanx> *when you also have 80/15
2017-06-19T21:10:55 < zyp> Steffanx, you get a package discount if you get both, but the total is higher and I don't give a fuck about tv
2017-06-19T21:11:51 < zyp> Lux, yeah, when I upgraded from 20/5 to 50/10 some years ago, I found out the shitty thing I used for a router then didn't handle more than 20
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2017-06-19T21:12:41 < Steffanx> So is your edison project cancelled too now, zyp?
2017-06-19T21:12:43 < zyp> Steffanx, and yeah, I don't think 80 vs 160 will be significantly noticeable at all
2017-06-19T21:12:59 < zyp> but it's a free upgrade so I don't mind :)
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2017-06-19T21:14:07 < Steffanx> Welcome canadians.
2017-06-19T21:16:11 < englishman> i guess running 50MHz SD signals over 30cm IDC cable isn't a good idea
2017-06-19T21:17:19 < sync> yes
2017-06-19T21:17:24 < zyp> probably not
2017-06-19T21:17:38 < Rajko> you can do it just make sure you have every 2nd wire in your cable be gnd
2017-06-19T21:17:43 < zyp> but if you don't need it to pass EMC tests, you could probably make it work
2017-06-19T21:17:52 < zyp> do what Rajko suggests, interleave grounds
2017-06-19T21:17:59 < Rajko> works for IDE
2017-06-19T21:18:01 < englishman> shit CM3 draws way more power than edison
2017-06-19T21:18:09 < englishman> like 5.5W vs ~1W
2017-06-19T21:18:19 < zyp> draws?
2017-06-19T21:18:29 < englishman> well
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2017-06-19T21:18:37 < englishman> CM3 actually puts power requirements
2017-06-19T21:18:43 < englishman> Edison i had to find in some forum post
2017-06-19T21:18:47 < zyp> oh, pi CM3
2017-06-19T21:18:51 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-19T21:19:02 < zyp> I read cortex-m3, didn't get what you were talking about
2017-06-19T21:19:06 < englishman> aha
2017-06-19T21:19:14 < zyp> and yes, pi CM3 got a lot more cpu power too
2017-06-19T21:19:18 < englishman> yes, steffy dropped a big stinky bomb on this contract today
2017-06-19T21:19:29 < Steffanx> Im sorry!
2017-06-19T21:19:33 < englishman> nono
2017-06-19T21:19:35 < englishman> it's great
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2017-06-19T21:19:49 < Steffanx> (trump voice)
2017-06-19T21:19:50 < zyp> Steffanx, and no, it's not cancelled, just delayed
2017-06-19T21:19:58 < englishman> i get to say i got some insider info from overseas
2017-06-19T21:20:05 < englishman> about potential supply issues
2017-06-19T21:20:40 < Steffanx> Waffle express.
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2017-06-19T21:21:23 < zyp> Steffanx, dongs sent me the power measurement boards the other day, so I should have the first prototypes running in a few weeks
2017-06-19T21:21:47 < zyp> and that'll probably give me some motivation to finish up the mcu board design (that the edison will plug into)
2017-06-19T21:22:11 < Steffanx> Better move away from edison then.
2017-06-19T21:22:21 < zyp> I'm still tempted to roll my own module based on some allwinner shit or something
2017-06-19T21:22:25 < Steffanx> As Intel killed it.
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2017-06-19T21:22:40 < zyp> but idk, I'm not too impressed by the orangepi zero either
2017-06-19T21:22:57 < zyp> mostly because the wifi chip is trash, but eh
2017-06-19T21:23:24 < zyp> I should get a zero plus2 and see if that works better, and redesign it into a module form factor if it's decent
2017-06-19T21:23:47 < zyp> any other suggestions for modules?
2017-06-19T21:23:53 < englishman> steffy made me look smart! organized, and professional
2017-06-19T21:23:59 < englishman> and we all know that doesn't happen very often
2017-06-19T21:24:14 < Steffanx> Did it make me look helpful?
2017-06-19T21:24:17 < englishman> once again this chan furthers my career beyond my wildest dreams
2017-06-19T21:24:22 < Steffanx> Doesnt happen very often either.
2017-06-19T21:24:32 < englishman> aww steffy
2017-06-19T21:24:36 < zyp> I've looked at the artik 5 before
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2017-06-19T21:25:40 < zyp> artik looks kinda comparable to the edison, similar size, similar available IO (i.e. only one usb bus, etc…)
2017-06-19T21:26:59 < zyp> allwinner H3/5 got four (three host and one otg), which makes it a lot more interesting for the sort of projects I do
2017-06-19T21:27:10 < zyp> also ethernet with builtin phy
2017-06-19T21:27:33 < Steffanx> Is the operating temperature range better than 0-40C?
2017-06-19T21:28:26 < Steffanx> Ah yes, -25 to 80C
2017-06-19T21:28:32 < Steffanx> 85*
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2017-06-19T21:28:54 < zyp> I don't think it'd have problems with cold, my orange pi zero now has a cpu temp of 67 degrees
2017-06-19T21:29:29 < Steffanx> but the edison has issues with cold and hot
2017-06-19T21:29:44 < zyp> kinda a dealbreaker for me too, actually
2017-06-19T21:30:30 < zyp> say, if I dick up an allwinner H3/H5 module, would that be interesting to any of you?
2017-06-19T21:31:10 < zyp> and if so, which requirements would you have?
2017-06-19T21:34:58 < Steffanx> Not me.
2017-06-19T21:35:58 < zyp> my problem with all the cheap shit that already exists is that it's too fucking big, I want something small that can easily be integrated into a project in a small enclosure or whatever
2017-06-19T21:36:39 < Steffanx> That Artik 5 looked pretty smal
2017-06-19T21:36:41 < Steffanx> l
2017-06-19T21:36:47 < zyp> yeah, similar to edison
2017-06-19T21:37:08 < zyp> my problem with that is lack of interesting IO
2017-06-19T21:37:47 < zyp> I'm not interested in huge camera and display buses, what I do want is usb and networking
2017-06-19T21:38:40 < zyp> and weird expensive connectors is not too interesting either
2017-06-19T21:38:53 < englishman> yeah, frustrating they are all single usb
2017-06-19T21:39:07 < englishman> these guys stuck a cypress usb hub on
2017-06-19T21:39:13 < englishman> and ft4232h after that
2017-06-19T21:39:40 < zyp> I figure a small board with a couple of FFC connectors could be a convenient form factor, should make it easy to fit into weird enclosures
2017-06-19T21:40:18 < zyp> could put power and core IO on one FFC connector, and then additional IO on a second
2017-06-19T21:40:22 < englishman> hmm 3 uarts on artik
2017-06-19T21:40:28 < zyp> so that simple projects only need one FFC cable
2017-06-19T21:41:10 < englishman> >  great combination of computing power and storage capacity for its size
2017-06-19T21:41:16 < englishman> > have to sign up and log in to see actual size
2017-06-19T21:41:48 < Steffanx> http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/15/05/samsung-artik-iot/gsmarena_002.jpg ..
2017-06-19T21:41:53 < zyp> also, what about emmc vs microsd?
2017-06-19T21:42:10 < englishman> microsd is required for these guys
2017-06-19T21:42:10 < Steffanx> what you need know more about "actual" size?
2017-06-19T21:42:38 < englishman> thanks gsmarena
2017-06-19T21:42:46 < zyp> Steffanx, I have the datasheet somewhere, I can look it up for you
2017-06-19T21:42:58 < Steffanx> i have it too. downloaded it with google login
2017-06-19T21:43:15 < englishman> what are those connectors? 0.3mm?
2017-06-19T21:43:43 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/bXQYQ.png
2017-06-19T21:44:28 < zyp> englishman, identical to edison's IIRC
2017-06-19T21:44:54 < englishman> yeah, it's nice
2017-06-19T21:45:44 < englishman> smaller actually
2017-06-19T21:46:08 < zyp> doesn't have onboard antenna though
2017-06-19T21:46:43 < englishman> even better
2017-06-19T21:48:24 < englishman> told them about it. now i get to look smart twice
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2017-06-19T22:33:14 < englishman> haha, yeah, they are regretting using big taiwan co
2017-06-19T22:33:24 < englishman> and want to use friendly and fast canadian assembly in the future
2017-06-19T22:34:06 < Steffanx> Do i get commision?
2017-06-19T22:34:20 < Steffanx> No maple syrup.
2017-06-19T22:35:12 < englishman> you can take a dip in the hot tub at casa de english
2017-06-19T22:36:42 < Steffanx> \o/
2017-06-19T22:36:50 < Steffanx> Did they finally fix it
2017-06-19T22:36:52 < Steffanx> ?
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2017-06-19T22:38:49 < englishman> turns out fixing it would cost nearly as much as just getting a used hot tub with warranty
2017-06-19T22:38:55 < englishman> so i think il give it another shot myself
2017-06-19T22:41:06 < Steffanx> wasnt it leaky?
2017-06-19T22:41:44 < englishman> still is
2017-06-19T22:44:08 < Steffanx> was more like: Cant you fix a leak?
2017-06-19T22:44:20 < englishman> sure, but issue is getting to the leak
2017-06-19T22:44:26 < englishman> the tub is cased in really hard foam
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2017-06-19T22:51:57 < Steffanx> but its broken anyway, i would've cut into the foam, somehow. Or is it too hard to cut?
2017-06-19T22:52:04 < Steffanx> or drill
2017-06-19T22:52:05 < Steffanx> or ..
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2017-06-19T22:59:31 < englishman> it is :(
2017-06-19T22:59:39 < englishman> it basically has to be scraped away
2017-06-19T23:02:51 < Thorn> is this acceptable (vbat is 3.7V, PWM signal is 3.3V) http://i.imgur.com/rlDUUW0.png
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2017-06-19T23:37:50 < zyp> what sort of speaker will that be hooked up to?
2017-06-19T23:39:55 < Thorn> 32Ω, no more than a few W max
2017-06-19T23:41:01 < Thorn> but I can't provide more than a fraction of a watt anyway (U^2/R, U max = 3V)
2017-06-19T23:41:49 < zyp> I haven't looked closely enough to figure out how the left side is supposed to work, but wouldn't just the fact that the right side has just the speaker in series with a transistor imply that it'll get a ton of DC?
2017-06-19T23:42:59 < Thorn> it gets about a volt in my tests
2017-06-19T23:43:34 < Thorn> first stage is a sallen-key filter to remove the PWM as much as possible cheaply
2017-06-19T23:43:58 < Thorn> I'll try coupling the speaker through a cap
2017-06-19T23:44:26 < Thorn> and probably adding a base resistor to Q2
2017-06-19T23:45:29 < zyp> so the first stage is a low pass?
2017-06-19T23:45:37 < zyp> second order?
2017-06-19T23:45:41 < Thorn> yes 2nd order
2017-06-19T23:45:55 < zyp> okay
2017-06-19T23:45:56 < Thorn> f_c = about 6kHz
2017-06-19T23:46:13 < zyp> what sort of sounds are you gonna be making with this?
2017-06-19T23:47:14 < Thorn> 8kHz sample rate, 4 bit adpcm encoded, basically low quality game sounds, should be reasonably loud though
2017-06-19T23:48:01 < zyp> right
2017-06-19T23:48:12 < Thorn> train whistle, cat meowing etc.
2017-06-19T23:48:20 < Thorn> I'm using the cat for testing
2017-06-19T23:48:34 < Thorn> don't tell PETA
2017-06-19T23:48:42 < zyp> I need to figure out a buzzer some time
2017-06-19T23:49:35 < Thorn> pwm is 48kHz
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2017-06-19T23:55:40 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8_LVqQbtfc
2017-06-19T23:58:03 < englishman> lol
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2017-06-20T00:08:45 < Lux> zyp: englishman: if compute power isn't an issue that stuff might be an option to use: https://www.digi.com/products/embedded-systems/system-on-modules/connectcore-for-i-mx6ul
2017-06-20T00:09:12 < englishman> oh sweet
2017-06-20T00:09:14 < englishman> did you tell icee?
2017-06-20T00:09:35 < zyp> Lux, looked at it when I got some digikey spam or similar about it some months ago, IIRC it has a pretty huge footprint
2017-06-20T00:09:37 < Lux> pretty costly in single quantities, but iirc they go down to 40$ if you buy more >1k or so
2017-06-20T00:09:57 < Lux> i actually used it and had some devboards at my failstartup
2017-06-20T00:10:05 < Lux> wifi is pretty great too with ac
2017-06-20T00:10:27 < Lux> yeah, it's 30*30mm
2017-06-20T00:12:22 < englishman> two usb
2017-06-20T00:12:29 < englishman> 7 uarts
2017-06-20T00:12:31 < englishman> niiice
2017-06-20T00:12:35 < Lux> and dual ethernet
2017-06-20T00:12:46 < englishman> wow
2017-06-20T00:12:57 < englishman> i see why deadison was discontinued
2017-06-20T00:12:59 < Rajko> how fast ethernet
2017-06-20T00:13:00 < Lux> also digi actually put some effort into making the yocto environment usable
2017-06-20T00:13:13 < englishman> as fast as you'd expect from a 500mhz cpu
2017-06-20T00:13:16 < Rajko> you can make a router out of these ?
2017-06-20T00:13:18 < Lux> but on the downside it's only a 528mhz a7 core
2017-06-20T00:13:19 < Rajko> i mean is it gitabit
2017-06-20T00:13:23 < englishman> no
2017-06-20T00:13:35 < englishman> get a cisco
2017-06-20T00:13:49 < Lux> but it's good enough to get 100mbit fullspeed
2017-06-20T00:13:57 < Lux> even on wifi iirc
2017-06-20T00:14:07 < englishman> pretty cool
2017-06-20T00:14:31 < zyp> Lux, in my opinion, something that will run with vanilla linux is more interesting than having a vendor provided yocto environment
2017-06-20T00:14:41 < Lux> it'll do that too
2017-06-20T00:14:43 < zyp> those are not mutually exclusive, of course
2017-06-20T00:15:10 < Lux> just vanilla sucks if you want to use certain things like csi for example
2017-06-20T00:15:46 < Lux> i was like yay i can use mainline... but then the drivers you need are missing
2017-06-20T00:16:19 < Lux> imx is pretty good though when it comes to mainline support
2017-06-20T00:16:28 < zyp> well, duh, by «run with vanilla linux» I mean actually having drivers for the hardware
2017-06-20T00:16:30 < Steffanx> ^ Tha lunix story
2017-06-20T00:17:51 < Lux> true that
2017-06-20T00:18:17 < Lux> but the drivers are there and it's def not as horrible as allwinner
2017-06-20T00:19:13 < zyp> horrible in what sense? the shit I bought seems well supported apart from the wifi chip, and that's external shit anyway
2017-06-20T00:19:48 < Lux> yeah meanwhile it is, i just meant the vendor supported stuff
2017-06-20T00:20:35 < zyp> hmm
2017-06-20T00:21:02 < Lux> to me it looks like allwinner only works now cause people throw freetime at it
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2017-06-20T00:21:49 < zyp> the footprint makes the connectcore kinda big board-area wise, but I guess that can be solved by throwing it on an interposer board that then connects via a small footprint connector or whatever
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2017-06-20T00:23:08 < Lux> yeah and you also need that cutout under the board
2017-06-20T00:23:13 < zyp> es
2017-06-20T00:23:14 < zyp> yes
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2017-06-20T00:23:44 < zyp> ah, I think the ones I looked at where the dual/quad modules, not the ultralite
2017-06-20T00:24:05 < Lux> those imx6 modules are xbox size
2017-06-20T00:24:19 < Lux> and >100usd iirc
2017-06-20T00:24:29 < englishman> well edison is $70
2017-06-20T00:24:40 < zyp> $60 last I checked
2017-06-20T00:24:41 < englishman> and has that 0.3mm pitch connector
2017-06-20T00:24:58 < englishman> still, not $5 orangepi territory :)
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2017-06-20T00:26:09 < Lux> something like that might be a better option if you want a connector: https://www.embeddedartists.com/products/com/imx7dual_ucom.php
2017-06-20T00:26:17 < zyp> hmm
2017-06-20T00:26:20 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?mpart=CC-WMX-JN58-NE <- this is not too bad
2017-06-20T00:27:13 < Steffanx> 5473963 Results lol
2017-06-20T00:27:20 < Lux> i might have a cheap source for those
2017-06-20T00:27:38 < Lux> they bought 100 pcs shortly before the company went bancrupt
2017-06-20T00:27:44 < Lux> dunno what happened to those
2017-06-20T00:28:06 < zyp> there's also the no-wlan ones for $8 less
2017-06-20T00:28:43 < zyp> wait
2017-06-20T00:28:51 < zyp> 256MB ram, 256MB flash
2017-06-20T00:28:52 < Lux> in qty it's about half iirc
2017-06-20T00:28:53 < zyp> wat
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2017-06-20T00:29:22 < zyp> so you're paying much for little
2017-06-20T00:30:05 < Lux> depends on what you want to run on it, buildroot and yocto images are pretty small
2017-06-20T00:30:25 < Lux> starting from like 20mb for a minimal config
2017-06-20T00:30:39 < karlp> hrm, you guys still have speed based plans?  We've kinda gone pretty much all to bw quota only now.  you get 100/100 on fibre (99% of town) but you can pay extra and get 200/200 or 500/500.
2017-06-20T00:30:45 < zyp> I'm not saying it's not enough, it's still an order of magnitude or two larger than various mips shit
2017-06-20T00:30:55 < Lux> but def not good for all application, especially in comparison to what you get elsewhere
2017-06-20T00:31:21 < zyp> yeah
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2017-06-20T00:32:57 < uniqdom> Hi guys, I'm trying to emulate an EEPROM in the FLASH of a STM32F051k8. I'm using an application example provided in STM32CubeMX, but I can't even read the emulated EEPROM. I think that It has to do with the linker script. This is the original linker script file: https://pastebin.com/B7A1EjFa
2017-06-20T00:33:32 < Lux> http://shop.technexion.com/picoimx7dr05msd.html?SID=v93nppk6jh2ual7q2p17ikjok2
2017-06-20T00:33:45 < Lux> that one also seems pretty useful if you want connectors
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2017-06-20T00:35:48 < Lux> and the wifi chip driver is mainline
2017-06-20T00:37:40 < Rajko> how do they manage to have all those inductors for the power supply chip
2017-06-20T00:37:43 < Rajko> all over the place
2017-06-20T00:37:55 < Thorn> uniqdom: what is the actual symptom (error message or whatever)?
2017-06-20T00:40:23 < karlp> uniqdom: yeah, what makes you think it's the linker script?
2017-06-20T00:41:06 < uniqdom> Thorn: https://pastebin.com/Yn5sqSZS, reading the EEPROM in line 16 show a 0 value, but I bet that is not doing the reading at all. and it never returns from the writing in line 19. it gets stalled there.
2017-06-20T00:43:11 < uniqdom> Here I have the eeprom.h config file https://pastebin.com/pX8vZVxn with the address that I have calculated. The problem may be here also.
2017-06-20T00:44:19 < uniqdom> lines 180, 183, 184, 186 and 187
2017-06-20T00:44:55 < karlp> is virtaddrvartab a good pointer?
2017-06-20T00:45:37 < karlp> set dataread to somethign other than 0 if you want to check what it's reading.
2017-06-20T00:45:39 < uniqdom> uint16_t VirtAddVarTab[NB_OF_VAR] = {0x5555, 0x6666, 0x7777};
2017-06-20T00:45:54 < karlp> are you sure those are meaningful virtual addresses?
2017-06-20T00:46:06 < karlp> does the app note on this say you can use the entire range of 16bit virt addresses?
2017-06-20T00:46:50 < karlp> heh, you used dipswitches for modbus? unit ids.
2017-06-20T00:47:41 < uniqdom> Yes, that's what I have implemented, but I need to get rid of them by implementing this emulated EEPROM
2017-06-20T00:47:47 < karlp> how much flash does your device actually have?
2017-06-20T00:47:53 < karlp> is page30 the right starting address?
2017-06-20T00:48:15 < uniqdom> 64K
2017-06-20T00:48:46 < uniqdom> I have changed dataRead and it confirms that it is not reading.
2017-06-20T00:49:01 < karlp> Did you ever call eeformat?
2017-06-20T00:49:27 < uniqdom> No.
2017-06-20T00:49:32 < uniqdom> should I?
2017-06-20T00:50:42 < uniqdom> EE_format is not available from main.c. I will have to change eeprom.h
2017-06-20T00:51:31 < uniqdom> I will.
2017-06-20T00:52:23 < karlp> I don't know if it's needed, I just saw it in the eeprom.h you linked.  what does the app  note say about using this? I presume it came with example code too?
2017-06-20T00:53:49 < uniqdom> well I have linked it in the eeprom.h and then I forgot to remove it. But it wasn't there in the example code.
2017-06-20T00:53:58 < uniqdom> do you have stm32cubemx?
2017-06-20T00:54:48 < uniqdom> STM32Cube/Repository/STM32Cube_FW_F0_V1.8.0/Projects/STM32F091RC-Nucleo/Applications/EEPROM/EEPROM_Emulation
2017-06-20T00:54:57 < uniqdom> that's the project
2017-06-20T00:55:22 < uniqdom> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/2e/d4/65/6b/87/dd/40/25/DM00049914.pdf/files/DM00049914.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00049914.pdf
2017-06-20T00:55:26 < uniqdom> that's the app note
2017-06-20T00:56:09 < uniqdom> "are you sure those are meaningful virtual addresses?"
2017-06-20T00:56:13 < uniqdom> what do you mean?
2017-06-20T00:56:40 < uniqdom> those are same virtual addersses used in  the app note and in the code example
2017-06-20T00:58:34 < uniqdom> "is page30 the right starting address?". I am supposed to use the starting address of the FLASH?
2017-06-20T00:58:53 < uniqdom> or can I use whatever address?
2017-06-20T00:59:32 < karlp> heh, mailing list I'm on just had a prolog user report in :)
2017-06-20T01:00:04 < karlp> you need to use an address that is actually in your flash region
2017-06-20T01:00:17 < karlp> the virtual addresses are probably fine if you took that from the example, I wasn't sure what limits they had on it
2017-06-20T01:00:37 < karlp> "I think that there are some pretty cool possibilities using Prolog in
2017-06-20T01:00:38 < karlp> combination with IOT devices, but I may just be weird.
2017-06-20T01:01:23 < uniqdom> those virtual address are supossed to be 16bit addresses. so they are ok
2017-06-20T01:04:10 < uniqdom> #define EEPROM_START_ADDRESS  ((uint32_t)ADDR_FLASH_PAGE_30)    and     ADDR_FLASH_PAGE_30  is 0x0800F000.   F000 is 61440, so, it is within the 64k flash
2017-06-20T01:04:25 < uniqdom> right?
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2017-06-20T01:14:50 < uniqdom> so, It has nothing to do with the linker script .ld file?
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2017-06-20T02:17:59 < kakimir> what voltage lead acid starts to go bad?
2017-06-20T02:23:14 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-20T02:23:37 < kakimir> okay battery charges with 20-30mA current
2017-06-20T02:23:54 < kakimir> it's standard size car battery
2017-06-20T02:24:11 < kakimir> 80-100Ah or so
2017-06-20T02:24:20 < kakimir> pretty much dead?
2017-06-20T02:24:51 < kakimir> 11,2volts.. maybe from last revive attempt
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2017-06-20T02:39:41 < crt> i've shot
2017-06-20T02:42:59 < kakimir> pump
2017-06-20T02:43:19 < crt> sup kakimir
2017-06-20T02:46:01 < crt> the accounts
2017-06-20T02:56:20 < kakimir> post strayan girls
2017-06-20T02:56:41 < crt> stroopwafels
2017-06-20T02:58:20 < crt> http://www.topnews.in/files/Australia-fattest-nation.jpg
2017-06-20T03:00:38 < crt> u like?
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2017-06-20T03:01:14 < kakimir> no
2017-06-20T03:01:50 < crt> what you don't want?
2017-06-20T03:03:28 < kakimir> that is given
2017-06-20T03:03:50 < kakimir> try to please me
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2017-06-20T03:04:44 < crt> try
2017-06-20T03:04:56 < crt> can't even please myself let alone other people rofl
2017-06-20T03:04:56 < kakimir> try not
2017-06-20T03:05:04 < kakimir> then try not to
2017-06-20T03:05:07 < kakimir> simple
2017-06-20T03:05:12 < crt> nah
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2017-06-20T03:05:22 < crt> where is LED
2017-06-20T03:05:25 < crt> LEDimir
2017-06-20T03:05:30 < crt> the led driver board
2017-06-20T03:07:51 < kakimir> unpriorized
2017-06-20T03:12:42 < crt> eh
2017-06-20T03:12:51 < kakimir> you want to collaborate?
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2017-06-20T03:13:10 < kakimir> that is why it's unpriorized.. it's not that interesting after all
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2017-06-20T03:19:52 < dongs> englishman: http://i.imgur.com/Wluvq0u.jpg
2017-06-20T03:20:04 < dongs> why is feenode shitting itself
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2017-06-20T03:23:17 < kakimir> stop ddossin crt
2017-06-20T03:23:28 < crt> eh?
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2017-06-20T03:24:09 < crt> thought ppl stopped doing that in 2006
2017-06-20T03:24:21 < kakimir> referring to kiddies ddossing freenode few years back
2017-06-20T03:24:27 < crt> lel
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2017-06-20T03:24:36 < kakimir> or was it last year
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2017-06-20T03:36:15 < englishman> dongs, why were you in mourial
2017-06-20T03:37:15 < englishman> come feed my chickens
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2017-06-20T03:40:51 < branjb> if an HR person does a phone screen and asks "Are you interviewing with any other companies?" what's the correct answer/purpose of question?
2017-06-20T03:47:20 < englishman> dongs, the view as i feed chickens http://i.imgur.com/qCAaeH3.jpg?1
2017-06-20T03:47:58 < englishman> branjb: "yes, and i'm shopping around for counter-offers"
2017-06-20T03:56:01 < crt> english-chickens
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2017-06-20T04:05:39 < dongs> englishman: looks good
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2017-06-20T04:18:13 < crt> exploding grain silo
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2017-06-20T04:22:21 < crt> welcome englishman dong
2017-06-20T04:24:24 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL4tHVVs8vE
2017-06-20T04:26:06 < jadew> you guys heard about the finsbury park attack?
2017-06-20T04:26:43 < crt> wut
2017-06-20T04:26:52 < jadew> look it up
2017-06-20T04:27:08 < jadew> white guy drove a van into a crowd of muslims
2017-06-20T04:27:09 < crt> yeah old news
2017-06-20T04:27:15 < crt> dumbcunt actions
2017-06-20T04:30:27 < englishman> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/rohm-semiconductor/MSL0101RGBU1/846-1189-1-ND/5053806
2017-06-20T04:30:33 < englishman> 1200mcd is bright right?
2017-06-20T04:31:04 < englishman> looks decent
2017-06-20T04:34:34 < crt> i'd class it as a 'bright' led
2017-06-20T04:35:25 < crt> wut are you after?
2017-06-20T04:35:46 < englishman> a bright rgb 90deg diffuse led
2017-06-20T04:35:59 < crt> cool
2017-06-20T04:36:12 < crt> is that for kamikaze?
2017-06-20T04:38:16 < crt> https://www.airdtf.com/shop/image/cache/catalog/osdoge/doge15logo-228x228.jpg
2017-06-20T04:39:17 < dongs> for $2.31 that shit better be FUCKING BRIGHT
2017-06-20T04:39:34 < branjb> englishman: should i lie and tell them i am looking for counter offers if i have no offers?
2017-06-20T04:39:50 < englishman> beaverbux, in singles, digikey
2017-06-20T04:39:55 < englishman> it could be $10
2017-06-20T04:40:05 < englishman> you dont lie dude
2017-06-20T04:40:12 < englishman> you are looking for counter offers
2017-06-20T04:40:33 < englishman> one offering is you move back in with your mom and smoke pot and chat on irc all day
2017-06-20T04:40:39 < englishman> and you are looking for a counter to that
2017-06-20T04:42:16 < dongs> thats an offer thats a bit hard to resist tho
2017-06-20T04:42:23 < dongs> the counter would have to be VERY GOOD
2017-06-20T04:42:37 < englishman> exactly
2017-06-20T04:43:00 < englishman> dont settle for anything like R2COM
2017-06-20T04:43:17 < englishman> you could end up social media manager for cypress
2017-06-20T04:44:44 < branjb> haha
2017-06-20T04:45:25 < englishman> dongs go here
2017-06-20T04:45:25 < englishman> https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Restaurant+A.A/@45.479251,-73.5813329,15z
2017-06-20T04:45:28 < englishman> for best poutine
2017-06-20T04:45:30 < branjb> i see a cypress dude on like every electronics forum posting about "you could do that so easy with a PSoC!"
2017-06-20T04:45:53 < englishman> yeah, thats R2COM
2017-06-20T04:45:57 < crt> can i see poutine cat pic again please
2017-06-20T04:46:09 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/bRBG8Vk.jpg
2017-06-20T04:46:25 < crt> lol
2017-06-20T04:46:38 < crt> i actually believed you found it in 5 seconds
2017-06-20T04:46:47 < crt> well donged mr
2017-06-20T04:47:46 < englishman> he's a hot pussy
2017-06-20T04:50:29 < crt> too much beer mate
2017-06-20T04:51:02 < crt> almost certain poutine cat is on my old phone
2017-06-20T04:51:20 < crt> i'd have to stick a sim card in the maggot though and cbf`d
2017-06-20T04:52:11 < englishman> the real poutine cat http://i.imgur.com/fs22CyI.jpg
2017-06-20T04:52:30 < crt> hahaha excellent
2017-06-20T04:52:33 < crt> the stare
2017-06-20T04:52:57 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/kt9sV
2017-06-20T04:53:00 < upgrdman> how to solder: https://i.redd.it/rbdtgp88ul4z.jpg
2017-06-20T04:53:18 < crt> let me offer an exchange cat
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2017-06-20T04:54:02 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/FAJYbBL.jpg
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2017-06-20T04:55:33 < englishman> high quality kittens
2017-06-20T04:57:09 < dongs> ok
2017-06-20T04:57:12 < dongs> i think im banned from imgur
2017-06-20T04:57:17 < dongs> any links i click end up being weird shit
2017-06-20T04:57:22 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/original/F/A/J/Y/FAJYbBL
2017-06-20T04:57:26 < dongs> keeps endlessly redirecting to shit like this
2017-06-20T04:58:55 < englishman> no, they changed shit and are dumb
2017-06-20T04:59:00 < englishman> use 1488.cloud
2017-06-20T04:59:08 < dongs> what did they change
2017-06-20T04:59:20 < englishman> they dont want to serve raw images anymore
2017-06-20T04:59:21 < englishman> cuz ads
2017-06-20T04:59:21 < dongs> do tehy now redirect to those retard urls?
2017-06-20T04:59:23 < dongs> oh
2017-06-20T04:59:34 < dongs> so they're basicalyl becoming photobucket2.0
2017-06-20T04:59:37 < englishman> yes
2017-06-20T05:00:41 < crt> the fucking dogs
2017-06-20T05:00:50 < crt> is irccloud better to upload to now lol
2017-06-20T05:01:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qNigtQb.png damn guys. an arduino powered radiation meter
2017-06-20T05:02:16 < crt> sound familiar? -> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WSPW4kKi/IMG_0113.PNG
2017-06-20T05:03:30 < dongs> no
2017-06-20T05:03:34 < crt> just the caption, not all the text c rap
2017-06-20T05:05:30 < crt> oh sweet i found wavecat  - https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uBP0Tkiz/IMG_1310.JPG
2017-06-20T05:05:36 < dongs> http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/argentina-128-year-old-man-claims-he-is-adolf-hitler/
2017-06-20T05:05:39 < dongs> haha
2017-06-20T05:06:21 < crt> hitler did nothing wrong
2017-06-20T05:12:46 < crt> i must ask the dogwalker for more pictures of the very big cat
2017-06-20T05:22:50 < branjb> >choose digikeys cheapest shipping option
2017-06-20T05:23:08 < branjb> >instead they switch to fedex, takes longer + costs more than their 2 day service
2017-06-20T05:23:09 < branjb> rip
2017-06-20T05:23:32 < dongs> branjb: donno if anyone told you this but
2017-06-20T05:23:47 < dongs> this hobby is a type where you need to pay to paly
2017-06-20T05:23:49 < dongs> play, too
2017-06-20T05:23:56 < dongs> you cant realyl do it if youre a CHEAP FUCK
2017-06-20T05:24:08 < branjb> i mean i get that but
2017-06-20T05:24:16 < branjb> i don't really need the shit this week
2017-06-20T05:24:25 < branjb> so why not pay less shipping?
2017-06-20T05:24:34 < branjb> then get charged more to take longer
2017-06-20T05:45:01 < jadew> lol dongs
2017-06-20T05:45:10 < jadew> @ the hitler article
2017-06-20T05:49:04 < jadew> http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/cops-beat-up-teen-after-bank-teller-mistakes-his-erection-for-a-pistol/
2017-06-20T05:51:23 < jadew> "
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2017-06-20T05:51:26 < jadew> "Eyewitness testimony and camera footage inside the bank clearly attest to the fact the teenager was masturbating on the scene."
2017-06-20T05:51:48 < branjb> lmao
2017-06-20T05:54:08 < englishman> then get it from aliexpress.com?
2017-06-20T05:54:13 < englishman> why are you ordering from digikey
2017-06-20T05:55:04 < branjb> only like 75% of aliexpress orders make it to my front door
2017-06-20T05:55:33 < jadew> for the other 25% you have to go to the post office?
2017-06-20T05:55:42 < branjb> yeah, in china
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2017-06-20T06:14:31 < dongs> vape
2017-06-20T06:22:36 < dongs> faping
2017-06-20T06:22:37 < dongs> er i mean vaping
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2017-06-20T06:34:52 < upgrdman> anyone know of a source for *genuine* name brand 18650's? even digikey and mouser only carry shit
2017-06-20T06:35:07 < upgrdman> digikey only carries sparkfun 18650, because fuck you
2017-06-20T06:35:31 < dongs> what
2017-06-20T06:35:33 < dongs> ultrafire bro
2017-06-20T06:35:38 < upgrdman> i have some
2017-06-20T06:35:41 < upgrdman> and theyre shit
2017-06-20T06:35:49 < upgrdman> 2600mAh and hold maybe 1000
2017-06-20T06:35:50 < dongs> buy tesla
2017-06-20T06:35:52 < dongs> take apart battery
2017-06-20T06:35:56 < dongs> lots of 18650s
2017-06-20T06:36:12 < upgrdman> right
2017-06-20T06:36:43 < upgrdman> i kinda wish tesla cars had nicer styled interiors
2017-06-20T06:37:02 < upgrdman> they look weird. like different-for-the-sake-of-being-different.
2017-06-20T06:37:50 < dongs> tesla interior is fucking garbage man
2017-06-20T06:37:54 < dongs> just ask englishman he drove one
2017-06-20T06:38:05 < upgrdman> good im not the only one to think so
2017-06-20T06:38:07 < dongs> its a $10k car interior in a $80k car
2017-06-20T06:38:22 < dongs> i'd rather spend 80k on a lexus LS
2017-06-20T06:39:13 < englishman> also trash
2017-06-20T06:39:26 < englishman> might as well get a tesla
2017-06-20T06:39:34 < englishman> are you even jap? theres no lexus in jap
2017-06-20T06:40:17 < englishman> upgrdman, go on ebay, buy batteries with 'fire' in name
2017-06-20T06:40:57 < dongs> englishman: theres 'exus in jp, toyota still sells teh harrier brand too. but the coupes like lexus LS are sold as-is
2017-06-20T06:41:18 < englishman> oh i thought it was NA-only fag brand to mark up used toyotas
2017-06-20T06:41:44 < englishman> like, NA = lexus SC, jap = toyota soarer
2017-06-20T06:42:11 < dongs> lol isnt toyota soarer just a fucking cheap junkbox
2017-06-20T06:42:11 < englishman> cuz rich businessdouches dont buy *toyota*
2017-06-20T06:42:18 < englishman> they buy lexus, totally different
2017-06-20T06:42:22 < upgrdman> hmm wtf is it with lexus cars having comically large grills
2017-06-20T06:43:54 < upgrdman> the front ##### thing at the nose of the car
2017-06-20T06:43:59 < dongs> why teh fuck would i want AMG
2017-06-20T06:44:02 < dongs> i dont want to ~race~
2017-06-20T06:44:07 < dongs> i just need to commute to supermarket
2017-06-20T06:44:24 < englishman> oh i guess r2poor is talking if someone mentioned that mercedes crap
2017-06-20T06:44:30 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://www.lexus.com/concept/LFSA/
2017-06-20T06:44:30 < dongs> haha
2017-06-20T06:45:23 < dongs> upgrdman: when you search lexus.com on google
2017-06-20T06:45:27 < dongs> 1st suggest is lexus.com/recall
2017-06-20T06:45:55 < dongs> i mean actualyl type "lexus.com/" into searchbox
2017-06-20T06:46:11 < dongs> i know a dude
2017-06-20T06:46:11 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-20T06:46:15 < dongs> who goes to read their yahoo mail
2017-06-20T06:46:18 < dongs> by typing ytahoo into google
2017-06-20T06:46:23 < dongs> then clicking like whatever link that comes up
2017-06-20T06:46:31 < dongs> er, yt-->yahoo
2017-06-20T06:47:31 < dongs> i know, ive owned one. traded it in for a prius, kinda regret it. shoulda jsut waited a year or two and upgraded to a newer one
2017-06-20T06:50:34 < englishman> dongs, if you're actually in the country, which i know you're not, it's the national holiday next weekend, there will be lots of events involving fire and explosions and blowing up english people
2017-06-20T06:52:15 < dongs> englishman: even if I was (which I won't confirm/deny), the event is over, i wouldn't be there for even a second more than required
2017-06-20T06:52:42 < englishman> gay, could have imported some maple syrup at least
2017-06-20T06:53:05 < englishman> i will pee in the soy fields (for export to japan) just because
2017-06-20T07:01:07 < upgrdman> dongs, what model lexus did you have
2017-06-20T07:04:02 < dongs> upgrdman: rx450 or so, or maybe 400
2017-06-20T07:04:04 < dongs> suv/whatever shite
2017-06-20T07:04:12 < dongs> and before that long time ago a coupe model i cant fuckign remember
2017-06-20T07:04:16 < dongs> ~12y ago ro so
2017-06-20T07:04:33 < dongs> it was jappu version so no rx branding
2017-06-20T07:04:35 < upgrdman> the new toyota c-hr is kinda interesting looking, but it also kinda looks like a toy
2017-06-20T07:04:50 < dongs> i was going to suggest my pal to get that buy they bought some cheap trash instead
2017-06-20T07:04:59 < dongs> buy=but
2017-06-20T07:05:21 < dongs> yeah the new rx shit looks fucking terrible
2017-06-20T07:05:23 < dongs> http://www.lexus.com/models/RX-hybrid
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2017-06-20T07:05:29 < dongs> that giant grille urrite
2017-06-20T07:06:24 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-20T07:07:48 < crt> yes sir
2017-06-20T07:08:01 < dongs> hmm nice. its raining and my wireless link doenst evne notice it
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2017-06-20T07:29:12 < crt> did it ever
2017-06-20T07:29:42 < dongs> i dont know, tis first time raining since i put it up
2017-06-20T07:36:46 < crt> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/557188173101424642/A9WVJBxT_400x400.png
2017-06-20T07:37:17 < dongs> yes
2017-06-20T07:37:56 < crt> sometimes i wake up in the middle of the night laughing, thinking of that picture
2017-06-20T07:39:54 < englishman> seek help
2017-06-20T07:41:03 < dongs> my thoughts exactly
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2017-06-20T07:45:56 < dongs> fuck
2017-06-20T07:46:01 < dongs> i just moved a ~40kg box
2017-06-20T07:46:05 < dongs> and my left ear is ringing
2017-06-20T07:48:03 < crt> yeah help didn't work
2017-06-20T07:48:17 < englishman> you are weak and need cardio, old man
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2017-06-20T08:23:59 < ohsix> butts
2017-06-20T08:26:13 < ohsix> Steffanx: i don't think you can spoil it
2017-06-20T08:26:38 < ohsix> there's like maybe 12 open questions / weird ass shit but they're in no hurry
2017-06-20T08:28:20 < ohsix> like if coop/dougle is 5, who is 15, is it the blur monster?
2017-06-20T08:28:39 < ohsix> you probably wouldn't even know what i mean if you watched it ;D
2017-06-20T08:30:39 < ohsix> the lady in the star box for 15 was blind
2017-06-20T08:35:56 < dongs> just crimped a phat RJ45 with multicolor wires http://i.imgur.com/79dcwG7.png
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2017-06-20T08:40:45 < crt> What does it do
2017-06-20T08:47:02 < dongs> high speed autism
2017-06-20T08:48:03 < upgrdman> shouldnt the rj45 jacket go into the connector? looks like that'll fatigue quick as fuck.
2017-06-20T08:48:24 < dongs> for sure, but that was an exsiting cable i had to negro into rj45
2017-06-20T08:48:28 < dongs> it was shrink-wrapped
2017-06-20T08:48:33 < upgrdman> ah ok
2017-06-20T08:48:38 < dongs> insulation is too thick to go into RJ plastic anyway.
2017-06-20T08:52:13 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QqUbcSIK/8EC4F568-1EA3-4BBC-B235-2AAC3380D422-10572-00000A03D135A342.JPG
2017-06-20T08:52:29 < dongs> that looks liek a kinda pic R2COM would post
2017-06-20T08:52:34 < crt> englishman
2017-06-20T08:52:40 < crt> Cats
2017-06-20T08:52:54 < dongs> didnt see the cats
2017-06-20T08:53:05 < upgrdman> nice
2017-06-20T08:57:41 < ohsix> butts
2017-06-20T08:57:49 < ohsix> bbbbuts
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2017-06-20T09:23:48 < dongs> heard you guys like fine pitch connectors. http://i.imgur.com/kS8hPZI.png
2017-06-20T09:24:25 < dongs> stick this on your turntable and spin it, fucker
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2017-06-20T09:36:28 < zyp> nice
2017-06-20T09:36:52 < zyp> is that the footprint? which you then need like 2/2 mil to route?
2017-06-20T09:37:01 < zyp> or does the footprint have them staggered?
2017-06-20T09:39:52 < dongs> thats the footprint
2017-06-20T09:39:54 < dongs> single row
2017-06-20T09:40:01 < zyp> cool
2017-06-20T09:43:01 < dongs> wow
2017-06-20T09:43:07 < dongs> there IS a 2.4" IPS screen
2017-06-20T09:43:19 < dongs> http://www.trulyamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/Truly-Smart-Display-Roadmap-20160614-V2.pdf page 78
2017-06-20T09:43:23 < dongs> er 7
2017-06-20T09:43:44 < dongs> lol single google hit for that model#
2017-06-20T09:43:46 < dongs> which is that PDF
2017-06-20T09:43:52 < dongs> TFT9K2575
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2017-06-20T09:44:49 < zyp> yeah?
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2017-06-20T09:45:03 < zyp> aren't most lcd touchscreens IPS?
2017-06-20T09:45:07 < dongs> no
2017-06-20T09:45:09 < dongs> you mean
2017-06-20T09:45:14 < dongs> arent most shitty TFT lcds IPS
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2017-06-20T09:45:16 < dongs> they're all TN
2017-06-20T09:45:37 < zyp> no, I mean touchscreens
2017-06-20T09:46:08 < dongs> im confused with your choice of words
2017-06-20T09:47:17 < zyp> IPS doesn't give visual artifacts when pressed like TN panels does, and since touchscreens are designed to be pressed, I were of the impression that IPS panels were typically selected for that purpose
2017-06-20T09:47:31 < dongs> no, thats definitely not the case
2017-06-20T09:47:41 < dongs> your typical chinatrash TFT with touchscreen overlay will get nasty when touched
2017-06-20T09:48:10 < Adluc> i'd say that this channel is truly TRNG and can be endlessly harvested for system entropy
2017-06-20T09:48:12 < zyp> yeah, sure, but I'm thinking of shit like my phone
2017-06-20T09:48:17 < upgrdman> what's everyone's favorite programmer calc? calc.exe works but fucks it's annoying sometimes.
2017-06-20T09:48:24 < zyp> I'm pretty sure my phone got an IPS panel
2017-06-20T09:48:34 < zyp> and probably my watch as well, unless that's oled
2017-06-20T09:48:49 < dongs> upgrdman: i wrote my own
2017-06-20T09:49:01 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/wincalc.exe
2017-06-20T09:49:07 < upgrdman> screenshot?
2017-06-20T09:49:17 < zyp> upgrdman, I tend to use interactive python
2017-06-20T09:49:26 < upgrdman> zyp, k
2017-06-20T09:49:32 < upgrdman> i guess that's one way :)
2017-06-20T09:49:34 < dongs> .. interactive python.
2017-06-20T09:49:36 < dongs> hoyl fucking.
2017-06-20T09:49:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zgMoJCJ.png
2017-06-20T09:50:10 < dongs> it just does 64bit unsigned calc, shifts, xor/and/etc/standard ops/parenthesis
2017-06-20T09:50:39 < dongs> certainly not enterprise ready but worksforme
2017-06-20T09:51:34 < zyp> ya, I mean, python is available anywhere, and you have all the typical operators that you'll find in a programming language
2017-06-20T09:51:45 < dongs> "anywhere"
2017-06-20T09:51:49 < dongs> i don't have python anywhere on my computer
2017-06-20T09:51:51 < dongs> and no plans to
2017-06-20T09:52:22 < zyp> that's not because you couldn't
2017-06-20T09:52:55 < dongs> a single window i can bring up with win-number, that pops up where my cursor is, wheer i can quickly type shit and see results
2017-06-20T09:53:01 < dongs> vs starting 500megs of retarded python run time
2017-06-20T09:53:04 < dongs> what would i choose, HMmm
2017-06-20T09:53:21 < dongs> i'll be a FUCKING RETARD AND CHOOSE PYTHON
2017-06-20T09:53:22 < dongs> !!!!!
2017-06-20T09:54:06 < zyp> I tend to have it running in a terminal tab somewhere
2017-06-20T09:56:22 < zyp> 08:48:24 < zyp> I'm pretty sure my phone got an IPS panel
2017-06-20T09:56:23 < zyp> 08:48:34 < zyp> and probably my watch as well, unless that's oled
2017-06-20T09:56:25 < zyp> ah, yeah
2017-06-20T09:56:34 < zyp> my watch specs says 1.65" IPS
2017-06-20T10:04:30  * Steffanx looks at clock: its rage o'clock \o/
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2017-06-20T10:25:42 < dongs> http://shop0177327545.panelook.com/?ac=ne_product_view&id=30535 if only this was a tad bigger, would be a perfect replacement screen for atari portfolio
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2017-06-20T11:09:35 < ds2> is there a source for atari portfolios?
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2017-06-20T12:01:33 < dongs> 'source'?
2017-06-20T12:01:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MQsT42J.jpg
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2017-06-20T12:12:01 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome!
2017-06-20T12:14:40 < ohsix> who
2017-06-20T12:15:27 < crt> Have room
2017-06-20T12:17:38 < ohsix> zyp: how about real calculators? :p
2017-06-20T12:17:55 < zyp> ohsix, like a physical device?
2017-06-20T12:18:02 < ohsix> i ended up with a collection, it was a joke last year, but i found some ti89s and other junk in thrift shops
2017-06-20T12:18:03 < ohsix> ya
2017-06-20T12:18:05 < ohsix> sec
2017-06-20T12:18:49 < ohsix> http://www.casio.com/products/calculators/fraction-and-scientific/fx-115esplus this one is a good desk worker
2017-06-20T12:19:26 < zyp> haven't used that since uni, feels kinda pointless to use a calculator device when you're not restricted to stuff you're allowed to bring to exams
2017-06-20T12:19:42 < ohsix> o fair point
2017-06-20T12:20:00 < ohsix> though i have others that have a CAS, i don't use them as much
2017-06-20T12:22:05 < ohsix> mathomatic is kind of cool but the author died
2017-06-20T12:22:41 < ohsix> the flash apps for engineering & stuff on the ti89 are cool
2017-06-20T12:23:02 < ohsix> a computer can do 'everything' but it's kind of nice to have a device without twitter on it
2017-06-20T12:24:12 < Steffanx> Reminds me about MirageOS on my TI84+. Good old times
2017-06-20T12:24:49 < ohsix> h3h
2017-06-20T12:25:07 < ohsix> found out there's a 1 bit music thing for the 84, audio out on the link port, and it's pretty good
2017-06-20T12:25:50 < ohsix> https://soundcloud.com/irrlicht-project/houstontracker-2-sound-demo
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2017-06-20T12:27:01 < ohsix> really need to get back to that synth thing :\ reading about the 1bit / spectrum tunes & music routines was good times
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2017-06-20T12:29:45 < ohsix> the atmega stuff is kind of butts at this stuff, even at 16mhz
2017-06-20T12:32:15 < Rajko> why 16 when you can 172
2017-06-20T12:34:15 < crt> Dog meat dinner
2017-06-20T12:48:08 < ohsix> Rajko: or 3ghzx8
2017-06-20T12:48:31 < ohsix> just cuz it's available for people to bang on real cheap
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2017-06-20T12:48:39 < Rajko> 5.1GHz x 12
2017-06-20T12:49:16 < ohsix> pic is nice for that stuff
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2017-06-20T13:18:32 < crt> Don't cook the duck
2017-06-20T13:44:24  * karlp_ uses speedcrunch for calculator now, and am very happy with it.
2017-06-20T13:44:41 < karlp_> only thing missing from old gnome calc is ability to click on individual bit numbers
2017-06-20T13:54:06 < jpa-> speedcrunch looks interesting.. i usually use qalculate
2017-06-20T13:54:42 < crt> I use fx-100
2017-06-20T13:56:46 < jpa-> karlp_: hmm, can i somehow get speedcrunch to accept SI abbreviations for units? seems silly having to write "5 meter" instead of "5m"
2017-06-20T14:01:30 < karlp_> haven't tried that sort of thing honestly,
2017-06-20T14:02:07 < karlp_> the big thing for me is hotkeys to switch number display, and being able to enter 0x23423 and 1232 at the same time without having to switch modes mid calc
2017-06-20T14:04:55 < jpa-> ah yeah, i use python for that currently
2017-06-20T14:05:47 < jpa-> i like qalculate for generic physics/electronics calculations, it is so useful being able to enter stuff like   1/(2 pi * 100nF * 10kohm)  and get result in hertz
2017-06-20T14:06:52 < karlp_> I just put in 1e-6
2017-06-20T14:06:57 < karlp_> and it understands that
2017-06-20T14:07:38 < jpa-> yeah, doesn't catch getting the formula wrong though
2017-06-20T14:07:44 < karlp_> http://imgur.com/a/B2POc
2017-06-20T14:08:03 < karlp_> oh, the magical unit derivation stuff?
2017-06-20T14:08:07 < karlp_> yeah, can't help there.
2017-06-20T14:08:33 < dongs> jpa-: wat
2017-06-20T14:08:35 < karlp_> I've actually never see a calculator do that sort of thing,
2017-06-20T14:08:43 < karlp_> so never knew to even be looking or expecting that
2017-06-20T14:08:47 < jpa-> yeah; looks like speedcrunch does it also but the user interface is a bit clumsy for entering units
2017-06-20T14:08:51 < dongs> Qalculate! is a multi-purpose desktop calculator for GNU/Linux (and Mac OS).
2017-06-20T14:08:51 < dongs> haha
2017-06-20T14:08:53 < dongs> fuck off
2017-06-20T14:09:06 < dongs> its funny they mention DESKTOP calculator
2017-06-20T14:09:10 < dongs> cuz there's no lunix desktop (thats usable)
2017-06-20T14:09:50 < jpa-> 1/(2 pi * 100 nano farad * 10 kilo ohm)   works in speedcrunch
2017-06-20T14:10:07 < jpa-> i guess one could make a huge file of variable definitions like    nF = nano farad   etc.
2017-06-20T14:10:34 < fest> for the unit conversion stuff, I'm fond of 'units'
2017-06-20T14:11:59 < fest> http://imgur.com/a/kbSpf
2017-06-20T14:12:24 < dongs> that interface looks like a typical shitty lunix cli program
2017-06-20T14:12:30 < dongs> now you just need to write a GUI Front end for it
2017-06-20T14:12:42 < dongs> in GTK, QT, wxWidgets, and XForms
2017-06-20T14:13:39 < fest> well, that is a typical lunix cli program, just not a widely known one but quite useful
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2017-06-20T14:57:38 < karlp_> hrm, si864xx shit has enable pins, but doesn't reduce power consumption to turn it off.
2017-06-20T14:58:32 < karlp_> jpa-: doesn't wokr in my speedcrunch?
2017-06-20T14:58:40 < karlp_> 0.11?
2017-06-20T14:59:33 < jpa-> 0.12 for me
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2017-06-20T15:15:21 < ReadError> must push forward and finish upgrading all my lesbian8 servers to les9
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2017-06-20T15:25:24 < uniqdom> lol
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2017-06-20T15:36:14 < englishman> dongs, i thought lunix was a secure professional OS? https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/06/web-host-agrees-to-pay-1m-after-its-hit-by-linux-targeting-ransomware/
2017-06-20T15:37:57 < jpa-> yeah, that's why it needs to have ransomware like windows and other great OSes
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2017-06-20T16:03:04 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-20_15-02-54.jpg how make capacitors this neat
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2017-06-20T16:07:45 < karlp> so.. F4 datasheet says that tprog for writing to flash is ~16 usecs.  and erasing is hundreds of ms.  no problem, as expected.
2017-06-20T16:08:11 < zyp> independent of word size?
2017-06-20T16:08:13 < karlp> L1 datasheet says that byte, half word, word and half page are all ~4ms for erase, or for write, for both flash and eeprom.
2017-06-20T16:08:34 < karlp> is the L1 just missing a line in the datasheet that has the write times for _flash_?
2017-06-20T16:08:52 < karlp> or is it actually magically all eeprom internally or something, and that's why it has such terrible write times?
2017-06-20T16:09:12 < zyp> good question
2017-06-20T16:09:20 < karlp> yeah :)
2017-06-20T16:09:44 < karlp> yeah, f4 write time is parallelism independent, erase time is size dependent though
2017-06-20T16:10:11 < karlp> like the l1 sheet even has things like "times for half page write" whcih don't even apply to eeprom, only to flash
2017-06-20T16:10:14 < zyp> yes, but max write size is dependent on supply voltage range IIRC
2017-06-20T16:10:32 < zyp> isn't there even a vprog-pin on big f4 packages?
2017-06-20T16:10:37 < zyp> or is my memory off?
2017-06-20T16:10:37 < karlp> not _really_ interested in the finer points of the f4 really
2017-06-20T16:10:48 < zyp> hehe
2017-06-20T16:10:56 < karlp> yeah, there's some Vpp thing it talks about, but more interested in the discrepancy on the l1 I have.
2017-06-20T16:11:19 < zyp> but yeah, you made me curious now
2017-06-20T16:11:21 < karlp> idea is that if I _can_ do the power loss detection well, writing to flash is "meant to be" way faster than writing to eeprom.
2017-06-20T16:11:34 < zyp> um
2017-06-20T16:11:45 < zyp> even doing words? not halfpage?
2017-06-20T16:12:08 < zyp> my experience with L0 is that halfpage doesn't work when executing from flash
2017-06-20T16:12:31 < zyp> so either you'd already have to have the write routine prepared in ram to jump to, or do words
2017-06-20T16:12:53 < karlp> doesn't matter, on f4 and friends, the writes to an erased block are already _so much faster_
2017-06-20T16:13:04 < karlp> but yes, I'd set up the ram routines if necessary
2017-06-20T16:13:22 < zyp> well, f4 and friends doesn't even have the halfpage concept
2017-06-20T16:13:34 < zyp> you just write arbitrary words
2017-06-20T16:13:39 < karlp> sure.
2017-06-20T16:13:42 < karlp> imagine it's all words :)
2017-06-20T16:13:56 < karlp> that's an finer point after the big elephant is dealt with.
2017-06-20T16:14:30 < zyp> I just doubt that writing to flash would be faster than writing to eeprom
2017-06-20T16:14:32 < karlp> biggest write to eeprom possible on l1 is 32bit when running from flash, 64bit when running from sram, at ~4ms per write.
2017-06-20T16:14:58 < zyp> so 1kB/s
2017-06-20T16:15:13 < karlp> on f4, writing words to flash that are already erased is 16usecs
2017-06-20T16:15:19 < karlp> so _way_ faster.
2017-06-20T16:15:22 < zyp> yes
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2017-06-20T16:15:42 < karlp> (and this is what st harps on about in their app note on emulating eeprom in flash)
2017-06-20T16:15:56 < karlp> however, the datasheet for the l1 has the same speed for flash and eeprom.
2017-06-20T16:17:05 < karlp> even f051 has 50usecs per write to flash,
2017-06-20T16:17:32 < zyp> completely different flashes though
2017-06-20T16:17:44 < zyp> L familes got ECC in the flash, for one
2017-06-20T16:17:57 < zyp> and read 0 when erased, unlike everything else
2017-06-20T16:19:21 < zyp> anyway, flash and eeprom isn't all the different, difference is basically just erase granularity, right?
2017-06-20T16:19:52 < karlp> well, speed wsa the common claim.
2017-06-20T16:19:59 < karlp> and speed was what I wanted.
2017-06-20T16:20:14 < zyp> so I guess it's not unlikely that the L flash and eeprom is pretty much the same thing, except the erase granularity
2017-06-20T16:20:23 < zyp> and whatever speedup trick the halfpage write thing uses
2017-06-20T16:20:48 < karlp> shitty slow though :|
2017-06-20T16:21:10 < karlp> so you get more granulatiry, shitty peak writes, and more cycles from the "eeprom"
2017-06-20T16:21:23 < zyp> I don't think write speed was a design goal for the L series either
2017-06-20T16:21:35 < karlp> no, it's just that it's two orders of magnitude slower than others.
2017-06-20T16:21:45 < karlp> half page speeds it up somewhat,
2017-06-20T16:22:19 < zyp> my impression is that they've pushed it low in power enough that they even had to add ECC because it'd be too unreliable otherwise
2017-06-20T16:23:17 < karlp> l4 has fast flash (and no "eeprom" listed)
2017-06-20T16:24:41 < zyp> hmm, wonder what ECC architecture they have, maybe what makes it slow is ECC recalculation
2017-06-20T16:25:01 < zyp> say it covers half a page, writing word by word triggers a recalc for each word, writing half a page only calculates once
2017-06-20T16:25:41 < zyp> that would explain the speedup of doing halfpage writes
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2017-06-20T16:25:59 < zyp> since otherwise each halfpage would have to be read for every write to recalc
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2017-06-20T16:36:38 < karlp> still, even with slow flash, my datablock can be written to flash in 12-15ms, vs 190-200ms best possible cases for eeprom
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2017-06-20T16:36:57 < karlp> that's the half page speed up of 16:1 vs double word writes max to eeprom
2017-06-20T16:37:34 < karlp> on F0, it would be 0.15ms :)
2017-06-20T16:38:57 < zyp> maybe you've picked the wrong part for your project, a part optimized for low power isn't necessarily optimized to handle no power ;)
2017-06-20T16:41:55 < rajkosto> dongs, help its not by waveshare
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2017-06-20T16:47:04 < rajkosto> http://www.docin.com/p-442238839.html help how download
2017-06-20T16:50:14 < rajkosto> oh its not even for the right one
2017-06-20T16:51:53 < karlp> zyp: sure, at this point, I'm like, "the fuck do I want this fucking l1 for, it's eeprom is too shit to be used as eeprom.
2017-06-20T16:52:02 < karlp> but the eeprom was always just secondary
2017-06-20T16:52:11 < karlp> still need the 12 adc input channels in the 48pin package as before :)
2017-06-20T16:52:32 < karlp> could probably put an f401 in 64qfn or something these days honestly
2017-06-20T16:54:04 < rajkosto> i need like 22
2017-06-20T16:54:08 < rajkosto> pls 2 giv adc
2017-06-20T16:54:19 < karlp> rajkosto: l1 in 64pin package mate
2017-06-20T16:54:21 < karlp> got you sorted.
2017-06-20T16:54:26 < karlp> or 100 pin definitely
2017-06-20T16:54:28 < rajkosto> does that have usb ?
2017-06-20T16:54:59 < karlp> yup
2017-06-20T16:55:04 < karlp> bah, no qfn 64.
2017-06-20T16:55:12 < karlp> qfn in 48 pin, but only lqfp64
2017-06-20T16:55:17 < karlp> still more expensive anyway.
2017-06-20T16:55:18 < karlp> fuck it
2017-06-20T16:55:50 < karlp> rajkosto: 20 channels ont he 64pin l1, 24 on the 100pin
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2017-06-20T16:56:43 < zyp> how about f3? isn't that the part to go for if analog is your goal?
2017-06-20T16:58:05 < karlp> wasn't last time I looked, tehy seemed to be mostly about faster/high bits, but not about simply more channels
2017-06-20T16:59:38 < karlp> 301 is only 11 channels in qfp48, and only 15 in qfp64, so yeah, too big still
2017-06-20T17:01:47 < karlp> hm, f303 actually fits
2017-06-20T17:01:50 < karlp> 15 in qfp48.
2017-06-20T17:02:03 < karlp> could have sworn it didn't last time
2017-06-20T17:02:45 < branjb> i hear cypress PSoC have that
2017-06-20T17:06:32 < rajkosto> parts that cost 1.5$ only on aliexpres
2017-06-20T17:06:35  * Laurenceb__ is unconvinced by the F3 16bit adc
2017-06-20T17:06:59 < Laurenceb__> I can get equivalent performance by oversampling with the F1 12bit adc
2017-06-20T17:07:31 < rajkosto> i only need 8bit on most
2017-06-20T17:07:44 < rajkosto> 6 more higher precision
2017-06-20T17:08:18  * Laurenceb__ is getting 17 ENOB @~ 100sps
2017-06-20T17:11:59 < karlp> branjb: sure, but psoc is unusable tooling, and not even close to drop in replacement for an l1 ;)
2017-06-20T17:12:32 < branjb> haha
2017-06-20T17:12:51 < branjb> i keep wanting to use psocs for something, but keep finding other chips that are more suited
2017-06-20T17:13:08 < englishman> yes
2017-06-20T17:13:08 < branjb> ie anything
2017-06-20T17:13:16 < englishman> then you go to actually use one
2017-06-20T17:13:24 < englishman> and find it's useless
2017-06-20T17:13:36 < englishman> even though you were led to believe it's perfect
2017-06-20T17:14:02 < branjb> the HDL blocks are pretty cool, same with pin assignment
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2017-06-20T17:14:11 < englishman> then psoc creator asks for updates every morning with a popup until you uninstall it
2017-06-20T17:14:15 < branjb> lol
2017-06-20T17:14:20 < branjb> literally just closed it
2017-06-20T17:15:03 < Laurenceb__> psoc is overhyped shit that already exists
2017-06-20T17:15:08 < Laurenceb__> Even if there's a long tail on this trend, it's very likely that peak fidget spinner is behind us
2017-06-20T17:15:42 < branjb> yeah i saw a 40 year old MILF at the bar with a fidget spinner yesterday
2017-06-20T17:15:43 < branjb> trend is over
2017-06-20T17:16:12 < Laurenceb__> MILF lol
2017-06-20T17:16:22 < karlp> I got spam offering me custom made fidget spinners to my design yesterday
2017-06-20T17:17:14 < Laurenceb__> in UK I haven't seen one
2017-06-20T17:17:23 < branjb> MILF or fidget spinner?
2017-06-20T17:19:17 < rajkosto> tons of both in UK
2017-06-20T17:21:18 < karlp> Laurenceb has special needs.
2017-06-20T17:23:32 < branjb> i'm going to london and ireland in august
2017-06-20T17:23:34 < branjb> what should i do?
2017-06-20T17:23:44 < Laurenceb__> bomb a mosque
2017-06-20T17:23:45 < englishman> bring truck-proof vest
2017-06-20T17:24:01 < englishman> go to switzerland instead
2017-06-20T17:24:07 < englishman> or norway
2017-06-20T17:24:10 < englishman> or literally anywhere
2017-06-20T17:24:12 < englishman> else
2017-06-20T17:24:14 < Laurenceb__> convert to islam to protect yourself
2017-06-20T17:24:16 < branjb> lol
2017-06-20T17:24:30 < branjb> i have to spend 2 weeks in germany after that
2017-06-20T17:24:36 < branjb> more scared than when i was in afghanistan
2017-06-20T17:24:49 < Laurenceb__>  > in Afghanistan
2017-06-20T17:24:58 < Laurenceb__> desire to know more intensifies
2017-06-20T17:25:17 < branjb> afghanistan was fun
2017-06-20T17:25:18 < englishman> he was working the coffee shop for .mil
2017-06-20T17:25:19 < Laurenceb__> in Tora Bora amirite
2017-06-20T17:25:24 < branjb> was in the air force like 5 years ago
2017-06-20T17:25:28 < Laurenceb__> oh nice
2017-06-20T17:25:33 < branjb> flew planes in kandahar/bagram
2017-06-20T17:25:40 < Laurenceb__> wow
2017-06-20T17:25:59 < Laurenceb__> fighters?
2017-06-20T17:26:00 < branjb> by flew planes i mean i sat in the back operating a camera while someone else flew it
2017-06-20T17:26:03 < branjb> no
2017-06-20T17:26:04 < Laurenceb__> ohlol
2017-06-20T17:26:07 < branjb> turbo props
2017-06-20T17:26:10 < Laurenceb__> still cool
2017-06-20T17:26:39 < branjb> https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/09-0648-bb-mc-12w-9th-rw-nellis-14-3-2012.jpg
2017-06-20T17:26:54 < Laurenceb__> ur a big guy
2017-06-20T17:27:22 < branjb> germany scares me though
2017-06-20T17:27:31 < branjb> wonder if it's as warzone in person as internet makes it seem
2017-06-20T17:27:38 < Laurenceb__> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SkyuAsT26ik/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-06-20T17:27:53 < Laurenceb__>  > turbo props
2017-06-20T17:28:37 < branjb> i flew in this
2017-06-20T17:28:37 < branjb> https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jaafAxsj--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/19gefv4lh513hjpg.jpg
2017-06-20T17:31:37 < englishman> wat
2017-06-20T17:31:40 < englishman> what shitty news are you reading
2017-06-20T17:32:00 < englishman> i was in cologne (rape central, omfg) and saw like 1 darkie
2017-06-20T17:32:09 < englishman> turn off fox news bro
2017-06-20T17:32:27 < englishman> delete any american propaganda media you may consume
2017-06-20T17:38:19 < rajkosto> yeah i need 22 ADC
2017-06-20T17:38:57 < Luggi09> lol germany a warzone
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2017-06-20T17:39:24 < Lux> sounds like a thing trump would tweet
2017-06-20T17:39:33 < rajkosto> and 6 PWM
2017-06-20T17:40:02 < rajkosto> and 1 SPI, 1 I2C, 1 usb
2017-06-20T17:41:19 < englishman> branjb: be sure you bring along the latest military technology for your self-defense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MlphoHT9nE
2017-06-20T17:46:53  * Laurenceb__ would never join military
2017-06-20T17:47:12 < Laurenceb__> being told what to do by politicians
2017-06-20T17:47:19 < Laurenceb__> what could possibly go wrong
2017-06-20T17:47:33  * Laurenceb__ looks at Syria and Libya
2017-06-20T17:47:45 < englishman> isnt being an academic basically the same thing
2017-06-20T17:48:08 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2017-06-20T17:48:12 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY
2017-06-20T17:51:04 < Laurenceb__> well academic ppl think that crapillary refill timing works
2017-06-20T17:51:19 < Laurenceb__> but they dont bomb anyone over it
2017-06-20T17:51:36 < Laurenceb__> we just have an impasse and nothing is published
2017-06-20T17:52:40 < Steffanx> We got bombed with crappifilly and 4chan
2017-06-20T17:52:45 < Steffanx> Not sure what is worse
2017-06-20T17:53:11 < Steffanx> I mean: hi Laurenceb__, how are you doing?
2017-06-20T17:53:36 < Laurenceb__> compiling moar libraries of copypaste
2017-06-20T17:54:03 < Laurenceb__> tbh I would join Assad military
2017-06-20T17:54:05 < Steffanx> You are quietish lately, what are you up to?
2017-06-20T17:54:17 < Steffanx> No more horses, rockets or balloons
2017-06-20T17:54:24 < Steffanx> ?
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2017-06-20T17:55:17 < Laurenceb__> very busy with construction work
2017-06-20T17:56:23 < Laurenceb__> http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/angela-merkel-feeding-pigeons-too-many-running-away.jpg
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2017-06-20T19:29:36 < Steffanx> !wz phoenix
2017-06-20T19:29:37 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 40.8°C.
2017-06-20T19:30:48 < rajkosto> does routing matter for the ADC traces
2017-06-20T19:31:23 < englishman> ouch
2017-06-20T19:31:31 < englishman> yes
2017-06-20T19:32:58 < rajkosto> y tho
2017-06-20T19:35:27 < englishman> cuz analolgue
2017-06-20T19:37:21 < rajkosto> but if theyre all analogue
2017-06-20T19:37:34 < rajkosto> just keep them away from supplies/digital and all good ?
2017-06-20T19:37:44 < rajkosto> is there still the split VDDA/VDD reference like in F1
2017-06-20T19:37:51 < rajkosto> where only 6 of them used VDDA reference
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2017-06-20T21:12:50 < invzim_> gah, altium gui messing with me
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2017-06-20T21:16:32 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3eGNOMGZLTTVLWUk/view
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2017-06-20T21:16:44 < invzim> anyone know how these won't get stuck toghether?
2017-06-20T21:17:39 < invzim> Until today, stuff on the right side would show up as two distinct entries and not do the vertical dock or whatever it's called
2017-06-20T21:19:36 < englishman> click the thumbtack
2017-06-20T21:21:08 < invzim> then it just maximizes
2017-06-20T21:22:26 < invzim> i.e. the right 'menu' goes away
2017-06-20T21:23:52 < invzim> maybe I should try 17
2017-06-20T21:25:03 < Steffanx> Try to reboot. With windows that's always worth a try.
2017-06-20T21:30:05 < englishman> "maximizes" ?
2017-06-20T21:30:08 < Steffanx> Just drag it out of there invzim?
2017-06-20T21:30:52 < Steffanx> until in the middle of the screen this drop thingy shows
2017-06-20T21:30:59 < Steffanx> and drop it where you want t.
2017-06-20T21:43:34 < zyp> invzim, sup? I was in oslo yesterday, why didn't I see you there?
2017-06-20T21:56:15 < rajkosto> https://i.redd.it/6k13zi00lq4z.jpg
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2017-06-20T21:58:27 < upgrdman> anyone know of a nice usb3 hub that is like the sparkfun cerberus? e.g. a cable with multiple connector on the end. hopefully more than 3.
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2017-06-20T22:50:02 < invzim> zyp: well we saw you :)
2017-06-20T22:51:10 < invzim> gah, pcbway has been sitting on my completed boards for 2 days now
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2017-06-20T23:02:38 < Steffanx> Did you seperate the window thingies in altium yet invzim?
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2017-06-20T23:03:58 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-20_22-03-51.png any reason PC5 is connected like that ?
2017-06-20T23:04:58 < karlp> rajkosto: what else is it used for?
2017-06-20T23:05:07 < karlp> is it a led or button on the disco board you're looking at?
2017-06-20T23:06:21 < rajkosto> Q2 is there for the backlight PWM so i understand why use 1.5k resistors there but duno why inline on pc5
2017-06-20T23:07:03 < invzim> Steffanx: it seems it was only in schematics library
2017-06-20T23:07:26 < invzim> in the schematics I'm working on it's fine, so I just didn't bother
2017-06-20T23:07:58 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-20_22-07-52.png what does the N mean ?
2017-06-20T23:08:05 < Steffanx> afaik you can drag the "window" out.. and move it to where you want it to be. Cant be more easy :P
2017-06-20T23:08:15 < rajkosto> can be more easy
2017-06-20T23:08:17 < rajkosto> they tend to stick to random things
2017-06-20T23:08:21 < rajkosto> and unsticking them is hard
2017-06-20T23:08:30 < Steffanx> i tried and it seemed easy enough to me
2017-06-20T23:09:11 < invzim> rajkosto: probaly negative, shoud be a corresponding p for positive?
2017-06-20T23:09:40 < rajkosto> inverted ?
2017-06-20T23:09:43 < Steffanx> without the N.
2017-06-20T23:09:51 < rajkosto> only one of them has the non N
2017-06-20T23:10:14 < invzim> he, now schematics library is behaving normal as well, go figure
2017-06-20T23:11:14 < rajkosto> https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.techpowerup.org%2F120621%2FIMG246.jpg&hash=60e61fdc971b896a482dac99c3824ed7 best routing ?
2017-06-20T23:11:28 < Steffanx> The n is just the inverted version of the non-n channel
2017-06-20T23:11:40 < rajkosto> why can i only choose N
2017-06-20T23:11:47 < Steffanx> oh dont know. cube..
2017-06-20T23:12:24 < Steffanx> heh, rajkosto.. but i've seen worse.
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2017-06-20T23:30:25 < sync> !wz phoenix
2017-06-20T23:30:27 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 46.3°C. SW wind: 15.4 kph.
2017-06-20T23:32:40 < BrainDamage> ouch
2017-06-20T23:34:04 < Steffanx> lolz.
2017-06-20T23:34:07 < Steffanx> DAAAMN
2017-06-20T23:35:32 < sync> !wz PHX
2017-06-20T23:35:33 < dieforirc> [PHX, Arizona] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 44°C. SW wind: 15 kph.
2017-06-20T23:35:44 < sync> they are currently grounding planes there
2017-06-20T23:36:06 < sync> as they are at the edge of the spec for the regular flappybirds
2017-06-20T23:37:39 < Steffanx> Why build a city in a desert..
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2017-06-20T23:41:20 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/dOfUZvj.jpg
2017-06-20T23:44:43 < Steffanx> Yes that
2017-06-20T23:51:57 < englishman> lol phoenix
2017-06-20T23:52:59 < Steffanx> !wz beaverland
2017-06-20T23:53:00 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-20T23:53:03 < Steffanx> !wz beaver
2017-06-20T23:53:04 < dieforirc> [Beaverton, Oregon] Overcast. Temp is 27.9°C.
2017-06-20T23:53:17 < Steffanx> Close enough
2017-06-20T23:53:45 < englishman> !wz levis, canada
2017-06-20T23:53:46 < dieforirc> [Levis, Canada] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 24.4°C. WNW wind: 7.2 kph. Humidity: 60%.
2017-06-20T23:54:00 < englishman> pleasant motorcycling weather
2017-06-20T23:55:16 < englishman> !wz phoenix
2017-06-20T23:55:17 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 48.5°C.
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2017-06-21T01:22:24 < kakimir> secks overload
2017-06-21T01:22:41 < kakimir> hello pumppens
2017-06-21T01:25:24 < crt> N
2017-06-21T01:30:17 < kakimir> did winch towings today
2017-06-21T01:31:47 < kakimir> fun
2017-06-21T01:35:12 < kakimir> also did some car towings to dude with that wing connected to that flying bag the dude is inside
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2017-06-21T01:43:30 < ohsix> so
2017-06-21T01:43:55 < ohsix> if you have a fixed number of instructions per cycle, and you need to have long running work also happen, what's a good way to spread it around
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2017-06-21T01:51:49 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm6FpvcOvC8
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2017-06-21T01:56:15 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7citSnGZ_7s
2017-06-21T01:59:54 < Laurenceb__> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/5AD1LZG3AUiKW1GiwrGmXQ.jpg
2017-06-21T02:03:19 < ohsix> an rtos will take some instructions per cycle out just for scheduling but then i could have one low priority process handle junk
2017-06-21T02:09:09 < kakimir> post uk girls or gtfo Laurenceb__
2017-06-21T02:10:49 < ohsix> hay guise cmon i'm an accepting vessel for your lovely advice
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2017-06-21T02:14:54 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: there is a chan for that
2017-06-21T02:14:59 < Laurenceb__> fap somewhere else
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2017-06-21T02:41:29 < ohsix> brambled bonerbags
2017-06-21T02:43:14 < crt> Duck duck
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2017-06-21T02:48:57 < Rajko> well the lcd i connected works
2017-06-21T02:49:25 < Rajko> FSMC not working bad, but why does stm32cubemx not let you manually set hold times and clock divider
2017-06-21T02:49:44 < crt> Hello welcome!!
2017-06-21T02:51:59 < Rajko> why so friendly
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2017-06-21T03:22:44 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cnpslad9/IMG_0359.JPG
2017-06-21T03:22:53 < crt> Full take care do everything
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2017-06-21T04:00:14 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny01rKV35tQ
2017-06-21T04:06:01 < Laurenceb__> the fire rises https://twitter.com/999London/status/877312935722405888
2017-06-21T04:06:19 < crt> foot
2017-06-21T04:06:22 < crt> fist
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2017-06-21T04:26:49 < englishman> paw
2017-06-21T04:26:52 < englishman> whisker
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2017-06-21T04:39:53 < machinehum> Does anyone host projects on hackaday.io?
2017-06-21T04:40:04 < machinehum> It's too bad they don't actually have version control
2017-06-21T04:40:09 < machinehum> Like a way to use git
2017-06-21T04:40:24 < englishman> nobody in here, that's for usre
2017-06-21T04:40:26 < englishman> sure
2017-06-21T04:40:32 < machinehum> lol
2017-06-21T04:40:57 < englishman> bcit eh
2017-06-21T04:41:01 < englishman> whatcha studying
2017-06-21T04:41:16 < machinehum> Robotics
2017-06-21T04:41:31 < machinehum> Finished my diploma a couple of years ago, part time now
2017-06-21T04:41:34 < machinehum> Working full time
2017-06-21T04:41:44 < englishman> when do you plan to leave vancouver
2017-06-21T04:41:51 < machinehum> Never
2017-06-21T04:41:53 < machinehum> Really
2017-06-21T04:42:01 < machinehum> I never plan to own a house
2017-06-21T04:42:06 < englishman> hope you have a nice truck to live in then
2017-06-21T04:42:07 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-21T04:42:24 < machinehum> So fuck that, rather not live in Onterrible
2017-06-21T04:42:32 < machinehum> Not that housing is affordable there
2017-06-21T04:42:34 < englishman> nobody wants to live there
2017-06-21T04:42:49 < englishman> !wz vancouver, canada
2017-06-21T04:42:50 < dieforir1> [Vancouver, Canada] Clear. Temp is 21.3°C. WNW wind: 9.7 kph. Humidity: 63%.
2017-06-21T04:43:04 < englishman> it's room temperature! welcome to summer
2017-06-21T04:43:13 < machinehum> Alright hot shot
2017-06-21T04:43:19 < machinehum> Where's the place to live?
2017-06-21T04:43:50 < machinehum> !wz Toronto, Canada
2017-06-21T04:43:51 < dieforir1> [Toronto, Canada] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 14.3°C. SW wind: 2.7 kph. Humidity: 83%.
2017-06-21T04:43:52 < englishman> coming from vancouver? just about anywhere, even aleppo has a more accessible housing market
2017-06-21T04:44:03 < machinehum> Aleppo?
2017-06-21T04:44:10 < englishman> less junkies in syria, too
2017-06-21T04:44:23 < machinehum> Ah
2017-06-21T04:45:02 < machinehum> Mmmm it's going to get pretty crazy I think, at one point goverment will need to step in and provide housing for normal people
2017-06-21T04:45:30 < machinehum> Kinda like the stuff they provide for crack addicts, but nice
2017-06-21T04:46:27 < upgrdman> nice cruise  https://i.redd.it/glp853uvru4z.jpg
2017-06-21T04:46:51 < englishman> not with permanent liberal government
2017-06-21T04:46:57 < englishman> or mayor mcjuice
2017-06-21T04:47:19 < englishman> who has gained immense wealth since becoming mayor
2017-06-21T04:47:27 < machinehum> mmm
2017-06-21T04:47:39 < englishman> and whose monther-in-law will be executed in china for racketeering
2017-06-21T04:47:45 < machinehum> Well soon enogh people will just pack up their shit and leave
2017-06-21T04:47:51 < englishman> not soon enough
2017-06-21T04:48:06 < machinehum> You can't have a city made with people who don't actually work
2017-06-21T04:48:27 < englishman> nor a city filled with baristas
2017-06-21T04:48:48 < machinehum> truth
2017-06-21T04:49:21 < machinehum> !wz yellowknife, canada
2017-06-21T04:49:22 < dieforir1> [Yellowknife, Canada] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 20.8°C. NW wind: 2.1 kph.
2017-06-21T04:49:28 < machinehum> oh
2017-06-21T04:49:35 < machinehum> Warmer in Vancouver
2017-06-21T04:49:47 < machinehum> !la, usa
2017-06-21T04:49:56 < machinehum> !wz la, usa
2017-06-21T04:49:56 < dieforir1> Unable to locate query.
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2017-06-21T04:50:32 < englishman> !wz phoenix
2017-06-21T04:50:33 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 46.2°C but feels like 43°C. SW wind: 1.1 kph.
2017-06-21T04:50:59 < machinehum> bahahahaaha
2017-06-21T04:51:02 < machinehum> Fuck that.
2017-06-21T04:51:52 < branjb> !wz sacramento
2017-06-21T04:51:53 < dieforirc> [Sacramento, California] Clear. Temp is 36.2°C but feels like 39°C.
2017-06-21T04:52:05 < machinehum> !wz san jose
2017-06-21T04:52:06 < dieforirc> [San Jose, California] Clear. Temp is 23.9°C. North wind: 8.0 kph. Humidity: 57%.
2017-06-21T05:05:56 < englishman> so what brings you to stm32
2017-06-21T05:06:25 < ReadErr> fuck these gay ass units
2017-06-21T05:06:32 < englishman> More organs than ever available for transplant due to BC's fentanyl overdose epidemic
2017-06-21T05:06:38 < englishman> well i guess vancouver is good for something!
2017-06-21T05:16:37 < englishman> hi flyback
2017-06-21T05:16:42 < englishman> why did you link this rather mundane tool
2017-06-21T05:18:04 < englishman> how so, fellow canuck?
2017-06-21T05:18:13 < englishman> they are like $18 beaverbux at can ty
2017-06-21T05:18:35 < englishman> and like $5 from china
2017-06-21T05:26:40 < upgrdman> acura is honda, right?
2017-06-21T05:31:24 < crt> lol
2017-06-21T05:32:42 < Streaker> Apart from wiring up PB3 to SWO is there any other magic you have to do to get trace to work?
2017-06-21T05:34:15 < Streaker> "trace enable" in the Debug Settings on Keil is greyed out and I can't figure out why.
2017-06-21T05:45:03 < machinehum> Don't you need to use trace pins as well?
2017-06-21T05:47:39 < machinehum> What is the SWO pin even used for
2017-06-21T05:47:49 < ds2> tracing
2017-06-21T05:48:09 < machinehum> You look it up and people are just talking about how to get strings out of it
2017-06-21T05:48:11 < machinehum> oh
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2017-06-21T07:05:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/g2P3tvC.jpg
2017-06-21T07:06:03 < upgrdman> lol
2017-06-21T07:14:36 < dongs> R2COM:  http://i.imgur.com/g2P3tvC.jpg
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2017-06-21T07:20:08 < dale6998> hi
2017-06-21T07:21:29 < dale6998> how can I update the interrupt period of TIM3 once the first TIM3 Compare interrupt fires?
2017-06-21T07:22:15 < dale6998> i mean, if htim3.Init.Period is set to 3000, how can I set it to 2000 once I'm in the Interrupt?
2017-06-21T07:22:20 < Thorn> which interrupt? update or capture/compare?
2017-06-21T07:23:01 < dale6998> not sure...I'm using STM32CubeMX
2017-06-21T07:23:08 < Thorn> if former, write a new value into ARR, otherwise. CCR1
2017-06-21T07:23:09 < dale6998> it's the only interrupt available for Tim3
2017-06-21T07:23:25 < Thorn> sorry to hear that
2017-06-21T07:23:35 < Thorn> there are multiple sources for that interrupt
2017-06-21T07:25:29 < dale6998> ok..so, it's htim3.Init.Period that affects when the interrupt fires
2017-06-21T07:26:00 < dale6998> this is my first real dive into this platform and into C, and i'm still in the shallow end
2017-06-21T07:26:55 < dongs> CCR is the right answer
2017-06-21T07:30:36 < dale6998> ok...so, I write TIM3 -> CCR = 2000 within the interrupt, and all of a sudden, the timer starts over from 0 and it will count to 2000 before it fires again?
2017-06-21T07:30:58 < dongs> there are more than 1 capture/compare channels
2017-06-21T07:31:06 < dongs> and I'm almost certain that spacing isn't valid C
2017-06-21T07:31:21 < Thorn> it is valid C lol
2017-06-21T07:32:05 < Thorn> it is invalid C because there is no CCR, only CCR1...CCR4
2017-06-21T07:32:26 < Thorn> but your last message sounds like you need ARR after all
2017-06-21T07:32:38 < dongs> i would probably murder the person if he worked for me and wrote C like that
2017-06-21T07:32:56 < dale6998> yeah, now that i've googled it for 2 seconds and I'm now an expert (haha), is that not for PWM?
2017-06-21T07:33:18 < dale6998> you would probably murder me if you saw how much heat i'm wasting on this super simple program
2017-06-21T07:33:21 < Thorn> capture/compare can be used for pwm among other things
2017-06-21T07:36:18 < dale6998> so, i'm setting that TIM3->CCRx and nothing is changing
2017-06-21T07:36:25 < dale6998> the frequency of the interrupt is the same
2017-06-21T07:36:59 < dale6998> let me try ARR
2017-06-21T07:41:39 < dale6998> yep...that's the ticket
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2017-06-21T07:57:43 < upgrdman> lol, inmates in GA actually dress like cartoon inamtes.  http://www.11alive.com/news/local/polk-inmates-save-correctional-officer-who-passed-out-during-work-detail/450246591?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59486b5e04d3013bea99d20e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
2017-06-21T07:58:29 < crt> apparently bikers have to wear pink in jails in QLD AU
2017-06-21T08:00:13 < crt> mate
2017-06-21T08:01:19 < Thorn> how do I tell raster polygons from vector in a gerber file
2017-06-21T08:03:51 < dongs> press F in cam350
2017-06-21T08:12:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: are you reading about GA cuz of the election?
2017-06-21T08:12:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, no it was on /r homepage
2017-06-21T08:12:51 < ohsix> ah
2017-06-21T08:13:10 < ohsix> the calculator thing, missed the convo; fx-115es, like a real calculator ;]
2017-06-21T08:13:56 < ohsix> the only thing that kind of sucks about it, is that it does unit conversions, but you have to look up the units on the cover
2017-06-21T08:14:44 < ohsix> if you have to remember 01 for in->cm and 02 for cm->in, you may as well remember 2.54 amirite
2017-06-21T08:14:56 < ohsix> and the constants you can also enter by numbber aren't symbolic
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2017-06-21T08:34:56 < englishman> http://www.lieberbiber.de/2017/06/20/my-ubuntu-for-mobile-devices-post-mortem/
2017-06-21T08:44:08 < ohsix> huh i thought they killed that ages ago
2017-06-21T08:44:42 < ohsix> i like gnome shell but i hope they come to a similar realization of some of the stuff that person mentions
2017-06-21T08:47:37 < dongs> Windows had a bad reputation, was quite expensive and a resource hog, so Ubuntu only had to be less annoying, cheaper, easy to install, and run better on older computers.
2017-06-21T08:47:40 < dongs> stopped reading right here
2017-06-21T08:48:05 < dongs> unless the keyword here was "on older computers" meaning shit celerons from 2001 with 512M ram
2017-06-21T08:48:13 < dongs> in whcih case, yesa, im sure lunix is great on them
2017-06-21T08:48:20 < dongs> to make them do even less than they could
2017-06-21T08:52:18 < ohsix> hm heh
2017-06-21T08:52:34 < ohsix> got some strobe kit from ali and it's got a shift register thing on it
2017-06-21T08:53:05 < Cerpin> How much higher should the configured VCO frequency be than the I2S clock output?
2017-06-21T08:53:08 < Cerpin> Does it matter?
2017-06-21T08:53:18 < ohsix> it works like an 808 drum machine, but multiple beats are connected to the LEDs, kind of cute
2017-06-21T08:54:49 < ohsix> blink, blank, blink, blank, blank, blink, blank, blank
2017-06-21T08:55:45 < ohsix> er, decade counter,  not shift register http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4017b.pdf
2017-06-21T08:58:44 < ohsix> huh there are papers on the efficacy of different patterns in emergency vehicle lights
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2017-06-21T09:30:01 < ohsix> haha the info i was looking for is in an article where someone made a model out of lego :D http://www.fxbricks.com/fxblog/?tag=car
2017-06-21T09:30:19 < ohsix> they've nerded out harder than i have, know the name of the manufacturers
2017-06-21T09:30:42 < dongs> haha skype started replying with form letters to all the negative reviews
2017-06-21T09:30:47 < dongs> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skype.raider&hl=en
2017-06-21T09:30:59 < dongs> i had to delete the fucking thing and go back to the old apk and disable autoupdates
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2017-06-21T10:01:43 < Kitlith> Hey. Was just double checking, the reset vector is at address 0x0 and is called in arm mode, not thumb mode, right?
2017-06-21T10:03:25 < dongs> why would you care about that?
2017-06-21T10:04:55 < Kitlith> blah blah I've got a flash dump that I'm attempting to throw into radare2 and take a closer look at.
2017-06-21T10:09:06 < Kitlith> It looks like the flash is mapped at address 0 when boot isn't touched, therefore the dump should start with the vector table (or just code, if it doesn't mess with vectors), but if I disassemble as arm I get a sequence that doesn't really make sense, ending with a branch to an address that doesn't make sense.
2017-06-21T10:12:39 < dongs> radare2 is kinda garbage. you might as well jsut pirate ida
2017-06-21T10:12:45 < dongs> reset vector and all teh addreses in it are +1
2017-06-21T10:12:51 < dongs> tho ida/wahtever should properly understand that
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2017-06-21T10:14:05 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/1lTupj85.html
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2017-06-21T10:14:16 < dongs> also, no , flash is at 0x8000000
2017-06-21T10:14:36 < dongs> anyway, typical reset vector will have top of ram at start, then reset+1,tehn wahtever cortex-m irqs in order
2017-06-21T10:17:00 < Cerpin> Also... What exactly is the input for the I2S PLL?
2017-06-21T10:17:12 < Kitlith> Depending on the boot configuration, FLASH is also mapped at 0x0. I guess my question really is: "how do I throw this into my disassembler and have it make sense?" >_>
2017-06-21T10:17:14 < dongs> Cerpin: which stm32. download the fucking excel clock generator thing or cubemx
2017-06-21T10:17:26 < dongs> Kitlith: start at 0x8000000 to make sense
2017-06-21T10:17:54 < Kitlith> kthen.
2017-06-21T10:18:03 < dongs> 1st byte = top of ram
2017-06-21T10:18:07 < ohsix> what did you dump it from?
2017-06-21T10:18:07 < dongs> err 1st 32bit word
2017-06-21T10:18:07 < Cerpin> STM32F407vg
2017-06-21T10:18:17 < dongs> next = reset vector offset + 1
2017-06-21T10:18:47 < Cerpin> The table in the manual seems to say "for PLLM = 1MHz" but the only reference to PLLM I can find is a divider for the main system PLL
2017-06-21T10:18:53 < ohsix> set rom base to flash address and define the ram area
2017-06-21T10:19:04 < ohsix> dunno how you do that in radare, but i've been meaning to find out ;]
2017-06-21T10:19:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCqxOzKNFks Loool
2017-06-21T10:19:36 < Kitlith> stmf042f6 or something really similar.
2017-06-21T10:20:12 < Cerpin> The formula listed in 7.3.23 gives the formula "f(vco clock) = f(PLLI2S clock input) x (PLLI2SN / PLLM)", which doesn't make a lot of sense, since PLLM is sitting right there after the "input clock"
2017-06-21T10:20:35 < ohsix> Kitlith: https://radare.gitbooks.io/radare2book/content/basic_commands/sections.html
2017-06-21T10:20:36 < Cerpin> It also says something about the I2S PLL being disabled if HSE is turned off, but never that HSE itself is the source
2017-06-21T10:20:57 < Cerpin> Or whether it goes through anything else before it becomes the "PLLI2S input clock"
2017-06-21T10:22:18 < Kitlith> ohsix, I know how to load it. But stuff wasn't making sense when loaded at address 0. Guess I'll try 0x8000000 tomorrow.
2017-06-21T10:22:37 < ohsix> o
2017-06-21T10:22:50 < ohsix> does radare create a section for a binary you load automatically?
2017-06-21T10:23:07 < Cerpin> Is the PLLM frequency it's referring to HSE/PLLM?
2017-06-21T10:23:08 < ohsix> er, a literal binary file, not like an elf huhu
2017-06-21T10:23:59 < ohsix> Kitlith: also have you used radare with gdb, does it support memory snapshots or is it smart enough to figure out computed branches
2017-06-21T10:25:11 < Kitlith> iirc you can load a memory dump, haven't used it w/ gdb myself, though.
2017-06-21T10:25:23 < ohsix> cool
2017-06-21T10:25:33 < ohsix> it's on my list! maybe i should move it up
2017-06-21T10:26:08 < dongs> Kitlith: o6 is the pro cortex-m reverse engineer. all questions to him
2017-06-21T10:27:21 < Kitlith> k. will be working on this tomorrow after work.
2017-06-21T10:28:34 < Cerpin> Ah, found a diagram in the RCC chapter
2017-06-21T10:29:46 < Cerpin> Yep, it's HSE. Cool
2017-06-21T10:39:49 < Thorn> nothing in cortex-m is ever called in arm mode
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2017-06-21T11:30:21 < zyp> huh, haven't heard about radare2 before now
2017-06-21T11:32:37 < Thorn> >Architectures: ..., arm, ...
2017-06-21T11:32:55 < Thorn> all of them?
2017-06-21T11:33:31 < Thorn> from acorn to aarch64?
2017-06-21T11:47:04 < crt> Hello welcome!!
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2017-06-21T12:07:07 < Steffanx> Thank you. Welcome!
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2017-06-21T13:02:47 < jadew> dongs, those robots are awesome
2017-06-21T13:03:23 < jadew> they're autonomous, right?
2017-06-21T13:06:27 < jadew> those wings are decoys, isn't it?
2017-06-21T13:06:50  * karlp doesn't get radare2.
2017-06-21T13:06:56 < karlp> never did, still don't now.
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2017-06-21T13:07:44 < zyp> at the first glance, it looks like an open source alternative to IDA
2017-06-21T13:08:02 < tpw_rules> i've tried it multiple times but never figured it out
2017-06-21T13:08:04 < jadew> yeah, I remember looking into it a couple of years ago
2017-06-21T13:08:21 < jadew> I had similar results
2017-06-21T13:08:42 < tpw_rules> like i was able to immediately pick up IDA. i never could get anywhere with radare
2017-06-21T13:08:44 < zyp> and IDA is pretty damn good when you're trying to figure out how a piece of software works when you don't have the source available
2017-06-21T13:08:51 < tpw_rules> well yeah that's the point
2017-06-21T13:09:11 < jadew> yeah, IDA is great, but it's been around since the 90's I think?
2017-06-21T13:09:23 < tpw_rules> and is technically several grand
2017-06-21T13:09:41 < zyp> I've mostly just used the free version
2017-06-21T13:09:48 < zyp> to lazy to dick around with pirating
2017-06-21T13:10:06 < tpw_rules> ah i keep running into weird architectures
2017-06-21T13:10:16 < tpw_rules> and the decompiler is pretty alright
2017-06-21T13:10:28 < zyp> I've mostly disassembled windows shit
2017-06-21T13:10:42 < tpw_rules> its debugger is also great
2017-06-21T13:10:45 < tpw_rules> i did a lot of android work with it
2017-06-21T13:10:58 < zyp> and I'm not really a fan of the decompiler, I find the assembly graph view easier to read
2017-06-21T13:11:25 < tpw_rules> it depends on the program. (also i don't actually know arm or x86 asm :D)
2017-06-21T13:12:06 < jadew> well, it can recognize C++ output
2017-06-21T13:12:10 < tpw_rules> but yeah it frequently turns into a mess of indirection and pointers. then it's useless
2017-06-21T13:12:13 < tpw_rules> it couldn't very well IME
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2017-06-21T13:13:06 < tpw_rules> but yeah ida is great. it's a shame it's so much money for real
2017-06-21T13:14:01 < tpw_rules> and some day use it as a debugger
2017-06-21T13:14:07 < tpw_rules> it works remotely and is just excellent
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2017-06-21T13:16:31 < karlp> gdb works remotely if you just want debugging.
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2017-06-21T13:17:05 < tpw_rules> sure, but i think ida is easier for RE
2017-06-21T13:17:15 < tpw_rules> sorry i meant use it as a debugger when REing
2017-06-21T13:17:19 < tpw_rules> like i wouldn't use it during normal dev
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2017-06-21T13:17:38 < tpw_rules> but if you're just doing static analysis with it you're missing half of it
2017-06-21T13:17:47 < tpw_rules> (also learn how to script it. that was fun)
2017-06-21T13:18:04 < zyp> karlp, I still like the flowchart asm view, makes it so easy to identify all the branching points and quickly execute to them to figure out where you're branching off to return error from a function
2017-06-21T13:18:17 < tpw_rules>  i think radare will do that, but in text?
2017-06-21T13:18:27 < tpw_rules> i don't understand it. i need to find a tutorial or smth
2017-06-21T13:18:57 < zyp> most of the stuff I've been using IDA for is figuring out how to talked to a piece of software, reverse engineering the protocol it talks
2017-06-21T13:19:21 < tpw_rules> the debugger is nice then too
2017-06-21T13:19:35 < zyp> i.e. finding the decoding algorithm, figuring out which fields it's looking for
2017-06-21T13:19:51 < tpw_rules> can you say what kind of stuff you're using it for?
2017-06-21T13:19:59 < zyp> and when it's not happy with my responses, figuring out which part of it that it's not happy about, hence identifying the return error part
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2017-06-21T13:20:33 < tpw_rules> more specifically than you have already shared
2017-06-21T13:20:45 < zyp> tpw_rules, why?
2017-06-21T13:20:48 < tpw_rules> i'm curious
2017-06-21T13:20:50 < tpw_rules> and bored
2017-06-21T13:21:02 < tpw_rules> i like hearing war stories
2017-06-21T13:22:42 < jadew> zyp, yeah, last time I used it was to figure out the layout of a custom file system
2017-06-21T13:23:05 < jadew> works great for that kind of stuff
2017-06-21T13:23:16 < zyp> tpw_rules, I'd rather not mention names, but this is closedsource stuff that talks to a server, and I worked on an alternate server
2017-06-21T13:23:19 < tpw_rules> ah
2017-06-21T13:23:33 < tpw_rules> i did something like that except with a network security client
2017-06-21T13:23:42 < tpw_rules> fortunately, they didn't strip the binary :D
2017-06-21T13:24:52 < jadew> tpw_rules, hah, found one like that too in a commercial device which was security sensitive
2017-06-21T13:25:11 < jadew> it was like having the original source code
2017-06-21T13:25:12 < tpw_rules> nah this was something i had to install to join a school network. scans you for like torrent clients and stuff
2017-06-21T13:25:33 < tpw_rules> i also was able to cheat cause someone had already published its symmetric key...
2017-06-21T13:25:53 < zyp> haha, wat
2017-06-21T13:26:17 < tpw_rules> that was in their study of a bug which let you execute code as root on any computer which had the software
2017-06-21T13:26:25 < tpw_rules> which was the entire university! :D
2017-06-21T13:27:19 < tpw_rules> as root, over the internet
2017-06-21T13:27:54 < zyp> I once made a replacement firmware for some stm32-based chinadevice
2017-06-21T13:28:22 < tpw_rules> was it entirely black box or did you get the binary somehow
2017-06-21T13:29:27 < zyp> I already had a mostly compatible firmware that I ported, just needed to remap pins and I could read that easily from the hardware layout
2017-06-21T13:30:55 < zyp> but I thought about reverse engineering the firmware so I could look for code injection exploits, so I could write an utility that would connect to the device over USB and inject a bootloader that would then load my new firmware
2017-06-21T13:31:10 < zyp> so it could be loaded without swd tools
2017-06-21T13:31:22 < dongs> < jadew> they're autonomous, right?
2017-06-21T13:31:26 < dongs> jadew: there's both classes
2017-06-21T13:31:27 < zyp> original device had no bootloader provisions
2017-06-21T13:31:28 < tpw_rules> i guess they didn't completely lock it down?
2017-06-21T13:31:35 < dongs> since that weeb stole videos from random sources I donno which ones are auto which are rc
2017-06-21T13:31:46 < dongs> but rc are restricted to rc only, and no autonoumous support
2017-06-21T13:31:52 < zyp> tpw_rules, well, they had enabled ROP, so I couldn't get the original firmware
2017-06-21T13:31:54 < dongs> same the other way around. auto only, no rc wahtsoever.
2017-06-21T13:32:19 < jadew> ah, was just going to say that the RC ones probably had autonomous support
2017-06-21T13:32:40 < zyp> tpw_rules, and looking for exploits when I didn't even have the binary were too much hassle
2017-06-21T13:32:43 < tpw_rules> zyp: i mean like the chip i'm using completely locks down swd and everything in max prot mode. only way to reprogram them is via your own routines
2017-06-21T13:32:46 < jpa-> uh oh, the netflix algorithm has finally figured me out.. "For you, Petteri: We have just added a movie you might like. The House Bunny: A Playboy bunny Shelley ..."
2017-06-21T13:33:17 < zyp> tpw_rules, stm32f1 can't do that, you can always do a mass erase of it to restore it to factory condition
2017-06-21T13:33:21 < tpw_rules> ah ok
2017-06-21T13:33:40 < tpw_rules> it's a good the L0 can then cause there's an errata where mass erase doesn't work :D
2017-06-21T13:35:09 < zyp> I'm not too concerned myself
2017-06-21T13:35:29 < zyp> I like selling the hardware and giving the firmware away
2017-06-21T13:36:30 < tpw_rules> yeah, i wish i could do that
2017-06-21T13:37:37 < karlp> you can, you just don't believe you can ;)
2017-06-21T13:38:00 < tpw_rules> i mean i could get fired and sued
2017-06-21T13:39:10 < fest> I believe karlp is suggesting that getting out of the squirrel cage is always an option :>
2017-06-21T13:39:19 < karlp> I meant you the company, not you personally.
2017-06-21T13:39:47 < karlp> fest: I belive that option is not something I should hve to point out to people, but yes, there's that too :)
2017-06-21T13:39:54 < zyp> the stuff I sell on a hobby basis now have a couple of third party firmware forks
2017-06-21T13:40:16 < zyp> I like that, other people implementing new features means I don't have to
2017-06-21T13:40:53 < tpw_rules> believe me i've tried
2017-06-21T13:43:04 < tpw_rules> idk. it's one of those iot things so we need to protect our keys and stuff. but they're shooting down all sorts of compromises
2017-06-21T13:45:07 < karlp> you probably need to actually pay for a third party security advisor to come and give you some proper analayssis of what you're doing, before you spend even more time "protecting" things that won't matter.
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2017-06-21T13:45:19 < tpw_rules> yeah we're doing that too
2017-06-21T13:45:24 < karlp> ie, make sure as fuck that you have per device keys so this sort of thing _doesn't matter_
2017-06-21T13:45:31 < tpw_rules> already do
2017-06-21T13:45:47 < karlp> then you don't need ROP or anything silly on the devices,
2017-06-21T13:45:50 < tpw_rules> which makes me understand even less why we can't just share the fw
2017-06-21T13:45:54 < karlp> the user can't do anything with it except burn their own device.
2017-06-21T13:46:03 < tpw_rules> my point exactly
2017-06-21T13:46:16 < karlp> so, now fest's point comes in.
2017-06-21T13:46:28 < karlp> you're working somewhere with insufficiently cluey mgmt
2017-06-21T13:47:15 < tpw_rules> well yeah
2017-06-21T13:47:43 < tpw_rules> it's with friends doing a hip startup. hoping to get v1 out the door then cash out and do something real. cause this is my field and it's fun as hell
2017-06-21T13:48:02 < tpw_rules> as soon as i stop learning i'm leavnig
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2017-06-21T14:17:54 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CewqB-N4gAI
2017-06-21T14:31:01 < dongs> dongul8
2017-06-21T14:31:10 < dongs> BREAKING: Security forces with sniper rifles storm neighbourhood near Central Station in Antwerp, Belgium; residents not allowed to leave or enter; forces entering several homes
2017-06-21T14:36:47 < Laurenceb__> its happening .gif
2017-06-21T14:37:00 < dongs> someone in .be is getting vanned
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2017-06-21T14:45:53 < Laurenceb__> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/21/pee_powered_electricity/
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2017-06-21T15:11:22 < karlp> assuming lora == clueful ==> questionable
2017-06-21T15:11:35 < karlp> they just want to be a provider again.
2017-06-21T15:15:36 < BrainDamage> don't mention the L word in this channel, it's a trigger word
2017-06-21T15:16:30 < zyp> I keep reading lora as low-range
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2017-06-21T15:27:59 < Steffanx> The only one really triggered by lora is mr loranceb
2017-06-21T15:39:53 < Laurenceb__>  *triggered*
2017-06-21T15:40:36 < Laurenceb__> filling ur spectrum with shit
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2017-06-21T16:11:06 < dongs> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/5v-2a-ubec.html?___store=en_us fuck this retarded thing god damn
2017-06-21T16:11:21 < dongs> it has a fucking shutdown pin but its vin is like <= 5BV
2017-06-21T16:11:23 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-06-21T16:11:52 < dongs> while the shit can run up to 4 or 6S
2017-06-21T16:14:42 < Laurenceb__> more importantly
2017-06-21T16:14:47 < Laurenceb__> why javascript aids
2017-06-21T16:25:59 < karlp> dongs: silabs isolators I was looking at had enable pins too, but doens't change power consumption in shutdown, just changes output states to hiz
2017-06-21T16:28:53 < zyp> and it doesn't have internal pullup or whatever?
2017-06-21T16:36:28 < dongs> karlp: the probglem here is where does a nigga get <= 5V voltage to 'enable' this fuckign thing in a highvoltage system
2017-06-21T16:36:59 < dongs> therefore its fucking useelss
2017-06-21T16:37:03 < zyp> dongs, what's the regulator part on that?
2017-06-21T16:37:31 < dongs> no clue, its china stuff, could be MPS or something
2017-06-21T16:37:36 < dongs> marking doesnt ring a bell
2017-06-21T16:37:57 < zyp> so, uh, what documentation do you got?
2017-06-21T16:38:02 < dongs> check the files tsb
2017-06-21T16:38:04 < dongs> tab
2017-06-21T16:38:07 < dongs> on hobbyding
2017-06-21T16:38:10 < zyp> ah, didn't see that
2017-06-21T16:38:11 < dongs> thatsa all :)
2017-06-21T16:38:23 < dongs> it says <= 1.2V sdisable
2017-06-21T16:38:25 < dongs> >= 1.5V enable
2017-06-21T16:38:33 < dongs> but when i put 12V to enable, it shorts to ground
2017-06-21T16:38:39 < dongs> and when i put it rhrough 10k resistor
2017-06-21T16:38:40 < dongs> it doesnt turn on
2017-06-21T16:38:47 < dongs> (tho its possible its already dead fro m12V0
2017-06-21T16:39:24 < zyp> and when you leave it floating?
2017-06-21T16:39:40 < dongs> nothing
2017-06-21T16:39:45 < dongs> zero power consumption
2017-06-21T16:39:46 < dongs> so i guess off
2017-06-21T16:40:02 < zyp> even before you killed it with 12V?
2017-06-21T16:40:13 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-21T16:40:18 < dongs> i had it flaoting first.
2017-06-21T16:40:21 < dongs> nothing on vout
2017-06-21T16:41:04 < zyp> idk then, can't say anything without a proper datasheet
2017-06-21T16:41:36 < dongs> hm iyt looks like mps
2017-06-21T16:42:31 < c10ud^> can you try putting 5v or 3.3 with a simple voltage divider ?
2017-06-21T16:42:38 < c10ud^> also: lol @ "Under
2017-06-21T16:42:38 < c10ud^> 1.5V
2017-06-21T16:42:38 < c10ud^> ,
2017-06-21T16:42:38 < c10ud^> enable
2017-06-21T16:42:38 < c10ud^> BEC
2017-06-21T16:42:39 < c10ud^> output
2017-06-21T16:42:41 < c10ud^> automatically"
2017-06-21T16:46:14 < dongs> https://www.monolithicpower.com/DesktopModules/DocumentManage/API/Document/GetDocument?id=961 heh wat
2017-06-21T16:46:22 < dongs> ah very low current
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2017-06-21T16:48:52 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/277/MP2565_r1.0-475715.pdf
2017-06-21T16:48:54 < dongs> thats the guy
2017-06-21T16:49:25 < dongs> When floating, EN is pulled up to about 3.0V by
2017-06-21T16:49:25 < dongs> an internal 1µA current source so it is enabled.
2017-06-21T16:49:25 < dongs> To pull it down, 1µA current capability is needed
2017-06-21T16:49:26 < dongs> what
2017-06-21T16:49:29 < dongs> i guess the shit was DOA then
2017-06-21T16:49:39 < dongs> it was not outputting shit when floating
2017-06-21T16:49:43 < dongs> oh well, fucking chinese trash
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2017-06-21T17:15:09 < dongs> i like that parts input range
2017-06-21T17:16:03 < dongs> the efficiency takes a fucking shit at 50V tho
2017-06-21T17:16:17 < dongs> 90% efficiency when: Vin = 5V
2017-06-21T17:16:19 < dongs> thanks!!!
2017-06-21T17:16:30 < dongs> i'll just run my 5V through this thing to make it 10% more efficient than before
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2017-06-21T17:42:35 < englishman> add1ct3dd> no scene groups are still ripping DRL
2017-06-21T17:42:41 < englishman> dongs this is the multirotor scene now
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2017-06-21T17:42:50 < englishman> its the most popular show on disney channel or something
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2017-06-21T18:08:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxbdvo2vFwc
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2017-06-21T19:04:20 < Ecco> Hey
2017-06-21T19:04:50 < Ecco> I'm trying to retrieve a device's serial number using the embedded bootloader
2017-06-21T19:05:10 < Ecco> I'm issuing a "read memory" command, at the address where the serial number is usually accessible
2017-06-21T19:05:17 < Ecco> and I get an error from the bootloader. is that expected?
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2017-06-21T19:19:52 < Ecco> meh
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2017-06-21T19:33:34 < Ecco> if I read just a few bytes "earlier" and ask for a longer value, it works \o/
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2017-06-21T19:41:55 < englishman> interesting
2017-06-21T19:44:55 < Ecco> (not sure if sarcasm or not)
2017-06-21T19:45:05 < Ecco> it case it's not: the OTP memory is accessible, per spec
2017-06-21T19:45:13 < Ecco> turns out it lives *right* before the serial number
2017-06-21T19:45:20 < Ecco> and the bootloader doesn't check for overflows
2017-06-21T19:47:06 < englishman> what chip?
2017-06-21T19:47:40 < englishman> why couldn't the bootloader access those other areas tho
2017-06-21T19:47:45 < englishman> even if just reading
2017-06-21T19:47:50 < Ecco> STM32F412
2017-06-21T19:47:56 < Ecco> englishman: I have no idea. I tried, and I get an error
2017-06-21T19:48:00 < englishman> weird
2017-06-21T19:48:04 < Ecco> definitely
2017-06-21T19:48:13 < englishman> so you have to heartbleed
2017-06-21T19:48:50 < Ecco> :-D
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2017-06-21T20:17:05 < BrainDamage> spotted laurenceb's book: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1785355430/ref=ox_sc_mini_detail?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB
2017-06-21T20:22:15 < karlp> Ecco: are you sure you actually used the right address for the serial?
2017-06-21T20:22:26 < karlp> not all the parts have the serial at the same location, not even in the same family.
2017-06-21T20:22:55 < karlp> and it would seem _wildly absurd_ that you couldn't read the serial from the bootloader, as that's a pretty key thing you'd be using for factory programming
2017-06-21T20:23:35 < karlp> so, 47uF caps are available in 0805, but 10x the price of 10uF, and 8x the price of 22uF.
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2017-06-21T20:26:51 < Rajko> isnt 47 tantalum territory
2017-06-21T20:27:02 < englishman> with what voltage rating
2017-06-21T20:27:10 < Steffanx> That would mean LORAnceb actually gets something published BrainDamage..
2017-06-21T20:27:27 < Steffanx> LoRanceb*
2017-06-21T20:27:32 < karlp> Rajko: no, these are all 0805 mlcc ceramics
2017-06-21T20:27:35 < englishman> Base address: 0x1FFF 7A10
2017-06-21T20:27:38 < englishman> OTP lock block: 0x1FFF 7A00
2017-06-21T20:27:40 < englishman> checks out
2017-06-21T20:27:41 < karlp> englishman: 6.3V.
2017-06-21T20:27:57 < karlp> x7r
2017-06-21T20:28:04 < englishman> oh
2017-06-21T20:28:09 < englishman> from digikey?
2017-06-21T20:28:18 < englishman> these probably have like 1 manufacturer
2017-06-21T20:28:26 < englishman> and so are unavailable in china / they will just send fakes
2017-06-21T20:28:33 < englishman> ie, use tants
2017-06-21T20:28:35 < englishman> or something else
2017-06-21T20:28:54 < englishman> assuming you are talking about ceramics anyway
2017-06-21T20:29:10 < karlp> well, I wasn't going to. not when 22uFs are a fraction and from everyone
2017-06-21T20:30:01 < karlp> still, even the 47uf is from taiy yuden, yageo, murata and samsung
2017-06-21T20:30:06 < karlp> so. not entirely one vendor...
2017-06-21T20:30:39 < karlp> 100uF 0805 ceramics now, that's single vendora :)
2017-06-21T20:40:15 < Ecco> karlp: yeah, positive
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2017-06-21T21:29:09 < BrainDamage> karlp: could you take a time lapse pic of the sky and show the circular path of the sun?
2017-06-21T21:31:25 < zyp> isn't iceland south of the arctic circle?
2017-06-21T21:32:47 < BrainDamage> yes, but it should still get a quasi-perfect path
2017-06-21T21:33:04 < BrainDamage> I've asked a guy in vardø but he doesn't have the right equipmen
2017-06-21T21:34:08 < dale6998> I'm trying to figure out how to do a DMA style WS2812b driver with timers and DMA...Most blog posts point out to use two compare interrupts and an overflow interrupt...Does this mean use 3 different TIMx's or different channels in a single TIMx?
2017-06-21T21:34:18 < dale6998> Using the STM32CubeMX for the HAL libraries
2017-06-21T21:37:11 < dale6998> here's a good example of the general theme that the internet seems to have aggreed on:  http://www.cnblogs.com/shangdawei/p/4762035.html
2017-06-21T21:39:37 < zyp> BrainDamage, not exactly what you ask for, but related: https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/1899836_10201588037663291_8162784644368606352_o.jpg?oh=0d8b97f6f08fda5bb913e43bbcbb5060&oe=59CDFFF2
2017-06-21T21:40:00 < zyp> that's a stack of 11 photos taken at 10-minute intervals around midnight
2017-06-21T21:40:06 < englishman> cool
2017-06-21T21:40:14 < BrainDamage> noice
2017-06-21T21:40:50 < zyp> photo by my mom, taken right outside her house in north norway
2017-06-21T21:41:12 < emeryth> proof of simultaneous 11 day single earth rotation
2017-06-21T21:41:45 < englishman> dale6998: depending on what you want to do
2017-06-21T21:42:02 < englishman> if you actually need to parallel 16 led strips, then pushing data directly to gpio is a pretty efficient way to do it
2017-06-21T21:42:10 < englishman> like that code you linked
2017-06-21T21:42:51 < dale6998> Well, so far, I've just got one strip...And I'm trying to learn the platform more than anything, so I could push off learning about DMA until another day
2017-06-21T21:43:21 < englishman> some crap i copypasted uses dma to feed delay values into a timer, that then clocks out those delays in series, for a single strip
2017-06-21T21:44:15 < dale6998> yeah, that sounds pretty good
2017-06-21T21:44:53 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08PsxnuikuI
2017-06-21T21:46:18 < dale6998> nice...is that you?
2017-06-21T21:52:31 < zyp> I also use dma to timer
2017-06-21T21:53:54 < zyp> don't have any cool videos though, just a few pics
2017-06-21T21:53:55 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/qIUal.JPG
2017-06-21T21:53:57 < dale6998> so, if you have an array of...8 bit R, G, B values...How do you turn those into bits for DMA?
2017-06-21T21:54:26 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin/main.cpp?h=conf#n64
2017-06-21T21:54:37 < dale6998> because, each bit needs to be processed, not just the byte
2017-06-21T21:54:39 < zyp> see set_color()
2017-06-21T21:54:45 < zyp> that fills a 25-byte DMA buffer
2017-06-21T21:55:12 < dale6998> i was doing something like c = (c << 1)|(c >> 8-1) & color[i]
2017-06-21T21:55:17 < dale6998> oh, ok..hang on
2017-06-21T21:56:17 < zyp> 58 is the OC value corresponding to an 1-pulse, 29 is the OC value corresponding to a 0-pulse
2017-06-21T21:57:01 < zyp> and the last transfer is a 0 so that the timer will only make 24 pulses and then remain at 0% duty until I've had time to schedule another DMA job
2017-06-21T21:59:31 < dale6998> ok, cool...so after you go thought your array of bytes, you have an 8 to 1 array full of 58's or 29's...so, how do you get those into the timer at the right times?  do you increment over the dmabuf array in a timmer interrupt or something?
2017-06-21T21:59:48 < zyp> huh?
2017-06-21T21:59:59 < zyp> sounds like you don't know how DMA works :)
2017-06-21T22:00:56 < zyp> first I make a 25-byte buffer, 8 bytes for each color which will be 58 or 29 like you said, and a terminating 0
2017-06-21T22:00:58 < dale6998> haha, i've been spotted!
2017-06-21T22:01:10 < dale6998> ok, got it
2017-06-21T22:02:08 < zyp> and then schedule_dma() sets up a DMA-job, transferring 25 bytes from the dmabuf to TIM4.CCR3, trigged by TIM4_UP
2017-06-21T22:02:33 < zyp> which means that every time the timer overflows, it'll trigger the DMA to tranfer a new byte
2017-06-21T22:03:06 < zyp> since output compare generates one pulse per timer overflow, that results in 24 pulses, followed by an all-low period
2017-06-21T22:03:26 < zyp> once I schedule another job, I get another 24 pulses
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2017-06-21T22:04:06 < zyp> when the DMA job finishes, the DMA IRQ calls the irq() function
2017-06-21T22:04:21 < zyp> i.e. when the data for one led have been tranferred
2017-06-21T22:04:46 < zyp> so if I have more leds in the chain, I start the DMA job for the next
2017-06-21T22:05:11 < dale6998> oh, ok, so as soon as TIM4_UP triggers, the first thing he has to do is load up a new OC value, which happens to correspond to the next 'bit' in the dmabuf
2017-06-21T22:05:27 < zyp> yes
2017-06-21T22:05:41 < dale6998> TIM4_UP isn't an interrupt, though, right?
2017-06-21T22:06:06 < zyp> the DMA is pretty much a hardware block that triggers in a manner similar to an interrupt and does a copy from one memory location to another and optionally increments either
2017-06-21T22:06:26 < zyp> no, it's a DMA request
2017-06-21T22:06:40 < zyp> well, it can also be used as an IRQ
2017-06-21T22:07:30 < zyp> I recommend looking at the description of the TIMx_DIER register in the reference manual
2017-06-21T22:07:43 < dale6998> ok, i will
2017-06-21T22:07:47 < zyp> and also skim through the entire DMA chapter
2017-06-21T22:09:03 < dale6998> is TIM4_UP in here?
2017-06-21T22:10:06 < zyp> yes, it's the UDE bit in TIM4_DIER
2017-06-21T22:10:19 < zyp> there's also an UIE bit for enabling the corresponding interrupt
2017-06-21T22:14:48 < dale6998> hmm...can't find it.
2017-06-21T22:15:13 < zyp> find what?
2017-06-21T22:15:16 < dale6998> but, one last question...what documents should I read to understand this simple yet platform specific stuff?
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2017-06-21T22:15:30 < zyp> the reference manual
2017-06-21T22:15:45 < dale6998> like, for instance, the AVR 8 bit series contain all the good stuff in a single datasheet
2017-06-21T22:15:52 < zyp> it's numbered RM-something, where something depends on what stm32 family you're working on
2017-06-21T22:16:18 < zyp> yes, stm32 have most of the good stuff in the reference manual
2017-06-21T22:16:24 < dale6998> ok...i'd like to break free of this STM32CubeMX stuff, because I still feel like I'm being Arduino'ed, if you know what I mean
2017-06-21T22:16:30 < zyp> there's also a datasheet which contains pin mapping
2017-06-21T22:16:44 < zyp> but most of the good stuff is in the RM
2017-06-21T22:16:50 < dale6998> ok, great.
2017-06-21T22:16:58 < zyp> which family are you working on?
2017-06-21T22:17:07 < zyp> or which chip in particular, rather
2017-06-21T22:17:18 < dale6998> stm32f411
2017-06-21T22:17:27 < dale6998> looks like i want RM0383
2017-06-21T22:17:44 < zyp> looks like it
2017-06-21T22:17:55 < dale6998> ah, good...looks like a short 837 pages...a light, casual read
2017-06-21T22:19:12 < zyp> I'm not familiar with the f411 in particular, but I assume it's very similar to the f4 family in general, so I should probably warn you that my code is written for f3 which has a slightly different DMA block
2017-06-21T22:19:13 < Thorn> don't forget about pm0214
2017-06-21T22:19:45 < zyp> it basically works the same, but the register layout is a little different, so you can't look up exactly what I'm doing in RM0383
2017-06-21T22:20:45 < zyp> Thorn, idk, I tend to refer to the ARM official documentation for stuff that's part of the cm core and not vendor specific
2017-06-21T22:21:52 < zyp> and it's not so often you're touching core peripherals either
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2017-06-21T22:31:25 < dale6998> pm0214
2017-06-21T22:32:23 < Thorn> arm docs and Yiu are best but PM0214 is probably more concise
2017-06-21T22:32:24 < dale6998> for the core?
2017-06-21T22:32:37 < dale6998> oh, oh ok, i see
2017-06-21T22:32:39 < Thorn> core, nvic. systick
2017-06-21T22:32:45 < zyp> yes
2017-06-21T22:32:52 < dale6998> ASM...hardcore baby
2017-06-21T22:32:53 < karlp> BrainDamage: hrm, not really a great day for it, been rather cloudy on an off, and not really something I'm going to spend all night on sorry.
2017-06-21T22:33:18 < karlp> we've got mountains north and it goes nicely down behind them and stays golden til it comes up again.
2017-06-21T22:33:31 < jaakkos> if I'm new to stm32, does it make sense to study SPL or should I jump on HAL, LL and CubeMX immediately?
2017-06-21T22:33:35 < karlp> you're probably just more interested in seeing how sideways it goes?
2017-06-21T22:33:46 < zyp> jaakkos, SPL?
2017-06-21T22:33:50 < Thorn> SPL is obsolete afaik
2017-06-21T22:33:58 < Thorn> stdperiph lib
2017-06-21T22:34:00 < zyp> ah, stdperiphlib
2017-06-21T22:34:01 < jaakkos> standard peripheral library
2017-06-21T22:34:36 < zyp> go with cube if you want to use vendor libs
2017-06-21T22:34:49 < BrainDamage> karlp: yeah, but if it's too complex to setup it's fine not to
2017-06-21T22:35:00 < jaakkos> does one of these have a large device driver support?
2017-06-21T22:35:16 < zyp> driver in what sense?
2017-06-21T22:35:38 < jaakkos> like radios, displays, etc (over I2C, SPI for instance)
2017-06-21T22:35:52 < jaakkos> the thing that's good about the Arduino world :P
2017-06-21T22:35:53 < zyp> doesn't think either has any of that
2017-06-21T22:36:12 < zyp> also «good»
2017-06-21T22:36:24 < zyp> most arduino libs I've seen is utter shit
2017-06-21T22:36:30 < jaakkos> of course the API itself doesn't have the support but obviously I mean, if people have written drivers against that API.
2017-06-21T22:36:36 < zyp> disclaimer: I haven't looked at a lot of arduino libs
2017-06-21T22:36:37 < jaakkos> yeah that's true but there are good ones too
2017-06-21T22:36:49 < karlp> BrainDamage: well, kinda gotta dedicate all night to it, find a nice spot and then go wait there, then post process it all for you...
2017-06-21T22:37:50 < karlp> I can offer this instead? http://www.livefromiceland.is/webcams/reykjavik/ ?
2017-06-21T22:37:57 < karlp> and just watch it slowly go round and round?
2017-06-21T22:38:08 < karlp> kinda shitty quality on that one, not sure what's up, they're normally better.
2017-06-21T22:38:39 < karlp> but yeah, not the best day for it today.
2017-06-21T22:39:16 < jaakkos> has anyone used deep sleep on STM32 with ChibiOS?
2017-06-21T22:39:47 < jaakkos> after some searching it appears this isn't really supported nicely
2017-06-21T22:40:17 < zyp> how deep? what wakeup conditions?
2017-06-21T22:40:32 < karlp> nice pic from your mum zyp.
2017-06-21T22:40:42 < jaakkos> i need handful microamp consumption max, wakeup by pin interrupt
2017-06-21T22:40:56 < jaakkos> and preferably wakeup time in a handful of microseconds
2017-06-21T22:41:38 < zyp> jaakkos, why chibios? how many threads are you running?
2017-06-21T22:41:41 < Thorn> if you use HSE and/or PLL you will have to restart them iirc
2017-06-21T22:41:46 < Thorn> that takes time
2017-06-21T22:42:36 < jaakkos> zyp: for this project - just 1. but that may change in the next project. and I'd like to learn RTOSes.
2017-06-21T22:42:47 < Thorn> >1 thread
2017-06-21T22:42:49 < Thorn> >RTOS
2017-06-21T22:43:12 < Thorn> you're https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_400_400/AAEAAQAAAAAAAANOAAAAJDhkZTAxYzk1LTI0MGEtNDVkYy1iMTY0LWU2NjJhZTA1ODE0NA.jpg
2017-06-21T22:43:25 < zyp> the problem with deep sleep and an rtos is that it doesn't make sense to enter deep sleep until all threads are waiting for an event that's either capable of waking up the cpu, or caused by another thread waiting for that
2017-06-21T22:43:40 < karlp> hrm, have to go back to 2011 before you find me taking solstice pics http://tweak.net.au/pics2/2011/June/miscstream/pichtml/web_2011_06_22-00_57_42--img_6198_jfr.html
2017-06-21T22:43:41 < zyp> and that seems pretty complex to track
2017-06-21T22:44:28 < karlp> http://tweak.net.au/pics2/2010/June/miscstream/pichtml/web_2010_06_25-02_39_30--img_3670.html is about 1  hour after local midnight, looking pretty much north, with the sun just below the mountains there
2017-06-21T22:44:53 < jaakkos> I have a bunch of I2C and SPI drivers that I might have to port to STM32
2017-06-21T22:45:05 < jaakkos> and I'm trying to decide if I'm going with SPL, HAL or ChibiOS
2017-06-21T22:45:19 < jaakkos> but everything seems like a double edged sword
2017-06-21T22:46:09 < karlp> alright, enough of that.
2017-06-21T22:47:23 < jaakkos> I guess ChibiOS would be my pick if it nicely supported 1-threaded applications with deep sleep and all that, would be the most generic
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2017-06-21T22:47:38 < zyp> in my experience, an RTOS adds complexity which is often unnecessary for simple projects
2017-06-21T22:48:42 < karlp> especially rtos's that come with HALs
2017-06-21T22:48:45 < zyp> so I'd argue it doesn't make sense to involve an RTOS until the benefits of the multithreading and synchronization functions outweigh the additional complexity
2017-06-21T22:49:11 < karlp> join the polled main loop winners circle!
2017-06-21T22:50:37 < dale6998> can you check out page 166 of RM0383?  Table 27?  Is there something specific I need to know about writing to GPIO with DMA?  I don't see the GPIO periferal listed in these tables
2017-06-21T22:50:40 < zyp> on the project I'm doing at work nowadays, I decided it was time to involve an RTOS once I started working on handling ethernet stuff
2017-06-21T22:51:04 < zyp> dale6998, dma triggers are not strictly related to what you can read and write
2017-06-21T22:51:26 < zyp> you can have a dma job triggered by a timer that writes gpio
2017-06-21T22:51:43 < jaakkos> ChibiOS advertises only 512B memory consumption at minimum, I could live with that even if I didn't need the functionality in a particular project
2017-06-21T22:52:07 < zyp> I haven't mentioned memory overhead
2017-06-21T22:52:17 < zyp> I'm talking about code complexity
2017-06-21T22:52:27 < jaakkos> I know, it's just something I became concerned about myself :)
2017-06-21T22:52:32 < jaakkos> and checked it out
2017-06-21T22:53:58 < Thorn> minimum is not always = realistic
2017-06-21T22:55:27 < zyp> memory overhead is rarely very interesting anyway
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2017-06-21T22:57:10 < zyp> you buy a chip with X amount of memory, and you're pretty unlucky if your actual usage lies right around X so that a little amount plus or minus actually counts
2017-06-21T22:57:51 < jaakkos> in my current project i have to invest $$$ in AVRs with enough memory to fit my framebuffer while an STM32 would be like $1.5
2017-06-21T22:58:14 < zyp> that's not my point
2017-06-21T22:58:38 < zyp> but yes, huge framebuffers is what will decide how much memory you need, not small overheads here and there
2017-06-21T23:00:38 < jaakkos> in any case, that + clock speed (for actual rendering) is what's driving me to the stm32 world right now
2017-06-21T23:02:33 < jaakkos> this project used esp8266 originally but it's a disaster when you're looking for low power and sub-millisecond wakeup time from sleep
2017-06-21T23:10:41 < invzim_> altium is directx.. any noticable performance gains with having a 'proper' graphics card?
2017-06-21T23:11:10 < invzim_> currently sporting a intel hd4000..
2017-06-21T23:17:46 < Steffanx> Even an unsupported cheap nvidia 1050/60 should give you some boost..
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2017-06-21T23:22:18 < Steffanx> invzim_ has performance issues?
2017-06-21T23:23:23 < englishman> how does altidumb do impedance-matched diff pairs
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2017-06-21T23:35:09 < invzim_> nothing to compare against really, just considering getting a real desktop at some point
2017-06-21T23:36:01 < invzim_> although it really nice to have a laptop with dock at home so I can just plop it out and go to the livingroom and lazy about on the couch
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2017-06-21T23:52:02 < Thorn> I need 16 dma channels
2017-06-21T23:57:09 < Thorn> *pwm channels
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2017-06-22T00:00:41 < karlp> BrainDamage: took a pic for you anyway: https://nc.beeroclock.net/apps/undefined/s/4L5PmCCg04SVEpG
2017-06-22T00:00:48 < karlp> not sure what's with "undefined" there, but ok.
2017-06-22T00:01:33 < zyp> englishman, how?
2017-06-22T00:01:38 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-22T00:01:44 < englishman> i can get single trace impedance mathcing
2017-06-22T00:01:55 < englishman> for single ended
2017-06-22T00:01:59 < zyp> yeah?
2017-06-22T00:02:00 < englishman> and diff length matching etc
2017-06-22T00:02:03 < englishman> but not diff impedance
2017-06-22T00:02:23 < zyp> do you have the rules for that set correctly?
2017-06-22T00:02:32 < englishman> rules for which?
2017-06-22T00:02:40 < zyp> diff impedance
2017-06-22T00:02:55 < englishman> where are those?
2017-06-22T00:06:06 < zyp> ah, maybe they don't exist
2017-06-22T00:06:14 < zyp> Note that the built-in impedance calculator does not account for the effect of vias, it assumes lossless transference from one signal layer to the next. Additionally, it only takes into account single-ended structures (not differential), and determines the routing width of target nets on a whole-layer basis.
2017-06-22T00:06:29 < zyp> so I guess just manually calculate them
2017-06-22T00:09:24 < invzim_> englishman: there is a video on the topic on youtube from the feranic guy
2017-06-22T00:09:59 < englishman> yeah, well, i'm just going to put kinda-sorta-right traces and let the pcb house match them
2017-06-22T00:10:19 < invzim_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlNgoS3SEME
2017-06-22T00:11:13 < englishman> yeah looks like he's doing calculations externally
2017-06-22T00:11:36 < invzim_> a bit over my paygrade that stuff, but he gets values from the pcbhouse etc
2017-06-22T00:11:50 < zyp> englishman, that's what we did on a project at my last employer too
2017-06-22T00:11:55 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-22T00:12:05 < englishman> thats why you get paid the big bux
2017-06-22T00:12:25 < englishman> ugh 12L too
2017-06-22T00:12:28 < englishman> entering values manually
2017-06-22T00:12:28 < zyp> we just routed with some widths and told the pcbhouse to choose prepreg to give the required impedance
2017-06-22T00:12:40 < englishman> yes exactly
2017-06-22T00:12:42 < englishman> fuck all that stuff
2017-06-22T00:13:02 < englishman> [✔] Controlled Impedance
2017-06-22T00:13:03 < englishman> and done
2017-06-22T00:13:03 < invzim_> muy complicado?
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2017-06-22T00:13:35 < englishman> muy
2017-06-22T00:14:14 < kakimir> hello wizards
2017-06-22T00:14:38 < englishman> hello airplane thief
2017-06-22T00:14:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb: you got me wrong. I meant girls - clothes on
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2017-06-22T00:25:54 < Thorn> looks like no f0 has 4 timers with 4 CC channels each
2017-06-22T00:25:59 < Thorn> wtf
2017-06-22T00:27:19 < zyp> it's f0, what did you expect?
2017-06-22T00:27:34 < Thorn> 4 timers with 4 CC channels each
2017-06-22T00:27:43 < zyp> «yeah, I want a chip with nothing, but I also want it to have everything»
2017-06-22T00:29:27 < kakimir> englishman: get your medical
2017-06-22T00:30:33 < englishman> soon
2017-06-22T00:31:29 < kakimir> have you called for appointment?
2017-06-22T00:31:54 < kakimir> I have not yet
2017-06-22T00:32:10 < Thorn> wtf f301 have even fewer timers
2017-06-22T00:32:25 < kakimir> I heard there is exactly 2 doctor dudes here that do it and both go for summer vacation in july
2017-06-22T00:34:50 < englishman> no i have a lot of stuff to finish before i think about flying again
2017-06-22T00:34:53 < englishman> maybe this winter
2017-06-22T00:41:27 < englishman> !wz phoenix
2017-06-22T00:41:29 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 46.4°C. WSW wind: 4.0 kph.
2017-06-22T00:52:02 < kakimir> !wz EFRA
2017-06-22T00:52:06 < dieforirc> [EFRA, Finland] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 7.0°C. West wind: 3.9 kph. Humidity: 83%.
2017-06-22T00:52:21 < kakimir> nice cold nite
2017-06-22T00:53:17 < karlp> isn't f301 the one designed for one single function?
2017-06-22T00:55:19 < kakimir> englishman: http://ennuste.ilmailuliitto.fi/ regional atmospheric soaring predictor
2017-06-22T00:55:36 < englishman> wow, cool
2017-06-22T00:55:42 < Thorn> looks like there is no stm32 that has 4x4 CC channels
2017-06-22T00:55:43 < kakimir> white "9" on map is our field
2017-06-22T00:55:50 < kakimir> see day 2 and 1400
2017-06-22T00:56:02 < Thorn> no cheap one anyway
2017-06-22T00:57:38 < kakimir> it was red earlier.. I have never seen red there
2017-06-22T00:57:42 < kakimir> only orange
2017-06-22T01:06:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZXBoQ2RTUVdjNHc/view?usp=sharing this is how it looks like 11PM
2017-06-22T01:07:13 < kakimir> installed new speakers
2017-06-22T01:09:33 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOU1aTU81ejdTM2s/view?usp=sharing got thrown in this seat with 5min instructions and got to do launches for plane without supervision
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2017-06-22T01:21:25 < karlp> anyone know why gdb "load" is clearing out past the end of the rom section here? https://zerobin.net/?d55d835f0554e263#KdtvAIMmJ2EqbYj8UWNxDRZyUTVPpECVCzlyQtLidyU=
2017-06-22T01:21:44 < karlp> it doesn't clear the bootloader, but it is definitely zeroing out my section.
2017-06-22T01:22:09 < Thorn> what is the page size
2017-06-22T01:22:13 < karlp> 256bytes
2017-06-22T01:24:58 < karlp> hrm, it must be the syntax
2017-06-22T01:25:09 < karlp> switching it from the - operation to just 21K long does the right thing.
2017-06-22T01:25:15 < karlp> 21.5K is a syntax error.
2017-06-22T01:25:22 < karlp> the subtraction operation is accepted, but must be just ignored.
2017-06-22T01:27:08 < karlp> just needed more brackets: LENGTH = (24K - 2*256) works just fine.
2017-06-22T01:31:23 < Cerpin> Hmm, is there some reason not to directly refer to registers in conditionals?
2017-06-22T01:32:42 < karlp> as long as you're careful with your RMW, knock youyrself out
2017-06-22T01:34:33 < Cerpin> example system file does some weird thing like "if(RCC ->CR & RCC_CR_HSERDY), set this thing to 1, else set it to 0" then immediately uses it in another conditional to set up PLL or not
2017-06-22T01:34:52 < Cerpin> Err
2017-06-22T01:35:14 < karlp> and?
2017-06-22T01:35:14 < Thorn> what is weird about that
2017-06-22T01:35:19 < Cerpin> if(RCC -> CR & RCC_CR_HSERDY != RESET), I meant
2017-06-22T01:35:37 < karlp> the whole != RESET/SET shit is what I can't stand with the ST code.
2017-06-22T01:35:49 < Thorn> ok that RESET shit is weird lol
2017-06-22T01:35:51 < Cerpin> Why not just do if(RCC -> CR & RCC_CR_HSERDY) [pll config here]
2017-06-22T01:36:33 < Cerpin> Rather than assigning 1 or 0 to a temp variable first
2017-06-22T01:37:18 < karlp> can you paste the thing youy'ðre talking about?
2017-06-22T01:37:32 < karlp> it just kinda sounds like ST being they're traditional overly verbose
2017-06-22T01:39:28 < Cerpin> Sure, here: http://sprunge.us/VPYH near the beginning of SetSysClock
2017-06-22T01:40:59 < Cerpin> 487 to 496ish specifically
2017-06-22T01:41:25 < karlp> what sort of useless pastesite is that that doesn't give line numbers in the web view
2017-06-22T01:41:44 < Cerpin> I can find one that does instead if it'd be better
2017-06-22T01:41:57 < karlp> but yeah, that just looks dumb
2017-06-22T01:42:06 < karlp> honestly, that's the first paste site I've seen that is that shit
2017-06-22T01:42:32 < Cerpin> Haha
2017-06-22T01:43:34 < Cerpin> Well, thanks in any case, I'll just not bother with that and check HSERDY directly
2017-06-22T01:43:45 < karlp> or....
2017-06-22T01:44:02 < karlp> you either use the st libs as tehy are, so you don't get wildly confused later with what you're actually running
2017-06-22T01:44:09 < karlp> or use something else
2017-06-22T01:44:41 < Cerpin> I mean, those files are just provided in the examples, right? I'm rewriting that particular file from scratch, just wanted to understand what they did there
2017-06-22T01:45:15 < Thorn> voodoo programming
2017-06-22T01:45:41 < Thorn> including these casts  (uint32_t)0x01
2017-06-22T01:45:47 < Cerpin> lol
2017-06-22T01:46:02 < Thorn> what do they think the value would be without the cast
2017-06-22T01:46:03 < karlp> yeah, pretty sweet c0dez
2017-06-22T01:46:09 < Cerpin> Yeah those weirded me out as well
2017-06-22T01:46:41 < Cerpin> And then having defines for the bits they were resetting and not using them in SystemInit
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2017-06-22T01:58:44 < crt> 🦆 🦆
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2017-06-22T02:12:39 < Laurenceb__> blerg
2017-06-22T02:12:48 < Laurenceb__> too hot to do construction work
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2017-06-22T04:58:46 < englishman> George Clooney just sold his tequila business for up to $1 billion
2017-06-22T04:58:49 < englishman> damn
2017-06-22T04:58:59 < englishman> why am I dicking around with kickstarters
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2017-06-22T05:47:03 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/lexnkxlwc25z.png
2017-06-22T05:48:07 < englishman> baguette magique lol
2017-06-22T05:50:19 < jadew> heh
2017-06-22T05:57:53 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/LvW33zR.gifv
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2017-06-22T10:32:33 < crt> Duck duck
2017-06-22T10:41:31 < Steffanx> Hello welcome!
2017-06-22T10:42:21 < crt> Looool
2017-06-22T10:42:25 < crt> Sup mate
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2017-06-22T10:46:43 < Steffanx> Im good. There?
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2017-06-22T10:55:09 < ReadErr> goose
2017-06-22T10:55:11  * ReadErr tags Steffanx
2017-06-22T10:55:41 < zyp> Steffanx, how good are you?
2017-06-22T10:55:57 < Steffanx> Ok good.
2017-06-22T10:56:09 < zyp> ok, good
2017-06-22T10:57:06 < Steffanx> \o/
2017-06-22T11:10:32 < Steffanx> There?
2017-06-22T11:12:33 < zyp> I'm pretty good myself
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2017-06-22T11:17:48 < Steffanx> Are you part of the modern slavery again nowadays. You seem so active during work time.
2017-06-22T11:18:13 < zyp> I'm at work now, yes
2017-06-22T11:32:05 < ohsix> micropython is pretty sweet
2017-06-22T11:32:24 < ohsix> there's micro-pip too, you can install libraries on the device, with just the device
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2017-06-22T12:30:21 < invzim> I need to sync a usb host FROM a usb device (both stm32).  Any tricks to do it other than polling the device frequent enough?
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2017-06-22T12:51:19 < karlp> that sounds like fun :)
2017-06-22T12:52:02 < zyp> sync how? sync time?
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2017-06-22T12:53:29 < zyp> I've been theorizing about a way to distribute stepper drivers across multiple usb devices and run then as one system by syncing the devices to each other
2017-06-22T12:53:38 < zyp> which sounds similar
2017-06-22T12:54:44 < zyp> usb sends a SOF (start of frame) packet every frame, i.e. millisecond
2017-06-22T12:55:11 < zyp> this contains a frame number, and the usb core also has a SOF pulse output that can be routed to some of the timers
2017-06-22T12:56:55 < zyp> so in theory it should be fairly easy for each device to synchronize its timebase to the SOF tokens, which are broadcast on the bus
2017-06-22T12:57:05 < zyp> so all devices on one bus should be able to keep in sync
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2017-06-22T12:57:38 < zyp> I'm not sure how easily you can sync to SOF in host mode though
2017-06-22T12:57:58 < zyp> whether you still have the frame number register and whether you still have the SOF pulse output
2017-06-22T12:58:15 < crt> Hello welcome!!
2017-06-22T12:59:32 < zyp> in my application I'll just have multiple devices that runs synchronous to each other, and then host will just loosely keep track of device time and schedule stuff to happen ahead of time
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2017-06-22T13:31:38 < invzim> zyp: an event on the device
2017-06-22T13:35:30 < zyp> invzim, so you're not talking about syncing at all, just sending events with low latency?
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2017-06-22T13:47:29 < jpa-> invzim: how low latency do you need? 1ms is the basic you'll get with usb full-speed, 0.125 ms on high-speed
2017-06-22T13:48:52 < invzim> I guess, haven't really looked into actual code yet
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2017-06-22T13:57:29 < zyp> yeah, interrupt endpoint with bInterval = 1 will be polled every frame, giving you a worst case latency of the frame period
2017-06-22T14:03:17 < crt> Shit
2017-06-22T14:06:14 < BrainDamage> karlp: thanks, but link doesn't work, it asks for login
2017-06-22T14:12:09 < karlp> BrainDamage: sorry, try this one: https://nc.beeroclock.net/s/4L5PmCCg04SVEpG
2017-06-22T14:12:19 < karlp> only jsut started using nextcloud, still a bit new to me,
2017-06-22T14:16:08 < BrainDamage> thanks
2017-06-22T14:16:32 < BrainDamage> here weather is complete opposite, 35°C and a scorching sun
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2017-06-22T16:00:22 < benpicco> When using gdb with OpenOCD and FreeRTOS, what am I expected to see? I get Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) for every thread and one thread is permanently at #0  0x00000000 in ?? () even though it's working
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2017-06-22T16:02:11 < karlp> have you enabled openocd's freertos support?
2017-06-22T16:03:21 < benpicco> karlp: yes
2017-06-22T16:03:36 < benpicco> it's also detected
2017-06-22T16:03:36 < benpicco> Info : Auto-detected RTOS: FreeRTOS
2017-06-22T16:03:48 < karlp> better to ask in #openocd,
2017-06-22T16:03:56 < karlp> last I tried this it "just worked"
2017-06-22T16:04:07 < karlp> but that doesn't sound like it's working very well for you
2017-06-22T16:05:47 < benpicco> what would your typical backtrace look like? I mean it has to stop somewhere, just "previous frame identical to this frame"  doesn't sound right
2017-06-22T16:07:03 < karlp> I cant' remember and don't have a freertos project lying around sorry
2017-06-22T16:07:21 < benpicco> ok, I'll ask over at #openocd
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2017-06-22T18:55:55 < invzim> http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?AWB=8443610044&brand=DHL
2017-06-22T18:56:02 < invzim> fly faster damnit, want my boards before weekend
2017-06-22T18:59:05 < maunix_> Hi all, I acquired some stm32 nucleo boards, and I am trying to do something simple with OpenSTM32 (the eclipse ide customized by ac6 ).  The fact is that I cannot even compile a simple while(1) loop, anything. I receive errors everywhere.
2017-06-22T19:00:01 < maunix_> The openstm32 forum doesn't seem to be much alive. The fact is that using for example the mbed.org online ide, i can do simple things easily but i would like to do the same with my ide offline.
2017-06-22T19:00:31 < maunix_> is there another site or forum where to talk about this issues? I am new to st (but not to microcontrollers).
2017-06-22T19:01:28 < invzim> maunix_: I highly recommend https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32
2017-06-22T19:01:42 < invzim> takes you through all the stuff getting a dev setup working
2017-06-22T19:01:55 < englishman> what did you use to start your project?
2017-06-22T19:02:25 < englishman> pretty sure stm32cubemx exports a project that 'just works' (but i don't use that ide, so dono)
2017-06-22T19:03:29 < maunix_> englishman: thanks for your answer.  I just did the simple next next as according to a video tutorial on youtube by the ac6 people.  The only difference is that i Have another board.
2017-06-22T19:03:45 < maunix_> haven't used the stm32cubemx yet although I downloaded it.  I use linux btw
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2017-06-22T20:36:14 < Thorn> ok so how do I do 16 PWM channels
2017-06-22T20:36:35 < zyp> four timers with four channels each?
2017-06-22T20:36:44 < Thorn> no such luxury
2017-06-22T20:37:01 < Thorn> (I haven checked 429 and above, very expensive)
2017-06-22T20:37:09 < zyp> huh?
2017-06-22T20:37:20 < zyp> you shouldn't have to go to f4 even to get that
2017-06-22T20:37:46 < englishman> yeah apparently he checked yesterday
2017-06-22T20:37:55 < Thorn> I apparently did
2017-06-22T20:38:00 < englishman> 4 timers with 4 cc channels each seems hard to find
2017-06-22T20:38:18 < zyp> I thought most parts had four channels on all of TIM1-TIM4
2017-06-22T20:38:34 < englishman> sounds like a job for fpga tho
2017-06-22T20:38:46 < englishman> if you really actually need 16 pwms
2017-06-22T20:39:02 < Thorn> either I do it purely in software like a real make:r, or find a non-stm32 mcu, or use programmable logic
2017-06-22T20:39:16 < englishman> psoc to the rescue
2017-06-22T20:39:41 < Thorn> or 16 555 timers
2017-06-22T20:40:00 < Thorn> or what was that pwm modulator IC
2017-06-22T20:40:31 < Thorn> frequency is ~1kHz btw
2017-06-22T20:41:00 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/v5kx0
2017-06-22T20:41:18 < zyp> judging by the datasheet, f401 has around 20 channels available across PAx and PBx pins alone
2017-06-22T20:42:23 < jpa-> Thorn: dma + gpio bsrr? should get you easily atleast 16 channels, 10 bits at 1kHz
2017-06-22T20:42:33 < Thorn> ugh wait
2017-06-22T20:42:43 < Thorn> TIM1 4
2017-06-22T20:42:49 < Thorn> TIM2,TIM5 4
2017-06-22T20:42:59 < Thorn> TIM3,TIM4 4
2017-06-22T20:43:34 < Thorn> I didn't notice there are multiple timers in several rows lol
2017-06-22T20:43:57 < zyp> before we selected TI RM4 for the project at work, I evaluated whether stm32 would have enough IO
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2017-06-22T20:44:27 < zyp> I think I were looking at something like 18 pwm channels and 18 adc channels in addition to other connectivity stuff
2017-06-22T20:44:34 < zyp> and f407 would handle that just fine
2017-06-22T20:45:06 < jpa-> i have one project where there is a need to hook up 8 quadrature encoders
2017-06-22T20:45:12 < zyp> even mapped it out in cubemx to ensure there were no conflicts
2017-06-22T20:45:21 < zyp> jpa-, that's harder, since each requires a timer
2017-06-22T20:45:23 < jpa-> not enough timers, but should be doable with either EXTI or (i'll probably pick) DMA
2017-06-22T20:45:25 < jpa-> yeah
2017-06-22T20:45:26 < zyp> to hardware decode
2017-06-22T20:45:36 < upgrdman> what makes a "server cpu" different from a desktop one. more cores, and what else?
2017-06-22T20:45:53 < jpa-> upgrdman: support for ECC ram?
2017-06-22T20:45:54 < zyp> upgrdman, support for ECC memory is common
2017-06-22T20:46:11 < Thorn> starting cube to check for pin assignments
2017-06-22T20:46:15 < zyp> more pcie buses maybe
2017-06-22T20:46:18 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-22T20:46:19 < Thorn> price of course
2017-06-22T20:46:23 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-22T20:47:28 < englishman> lol Thorn :3
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2017-06-22T20:50:24 < Thorn> yeah f401 is twice as expensive as an average f0
2017-06-22T20:50:42 < dale6998> Hi.  I'm using OpenOCD and arm-none-eabi-gdb with gef to debug...How do you look at a large array?  it keeps getting truncated
2017-06-22T20:50:49 < Thorn> but f0 do not have enough timers
2017-06-22T20:51:06 < dale6998> can i get the stm32f4 to do something like a printf for debug?
2017-06-22T20:51:29 < PaulFertser> dale6998: what do you mean by truncated, please pastebin an example?
2017-06-22T20:51:40 < jpa-> dale6998: set print elements 99999
2017-06-22T20:51:41 < Thorn> dale6998: x/nx *ptr or something. i.e. google memory dump commands
2017-06-22T20:51:42 < maunix_> invzim:  thanks! I'll take a look
2017-06-22T20:53:47 < zyp> dale6998, usually arrays only get truncated because the truncated section only contains zeroes
2017-06-22T20:54:46 < jpa-> for me the default limit is 200
2017-06-22T20:55:19 < dale6998> that's it
2017-06-22T20:55:22 < dale6998> zeros...my mistak
2017-06-22T20:55:28 < dale6998> my loop is broken..
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2017-06-22T22:58:26 < zyp> say, if I wanted some cheap android tablet (i.e. chinese, probably), what would be a good option?
2017-06-22T22:59:13 < zyp> something has maintained updates (third party or whatever) would be good
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2017-06-22T23:00:09 < englishman> in my experience, exactly zero android devices have maintained updates, including flagship devices
2017-06-22T23:00:10 < zyp> i.e. what is the cheapest shit I can get that doesn't have an outdated as fuck android version?
2017-06-22T23:00:47 < zyp> englishman, pfft, nexus devices are fine, but I were thinking about something cheaper
2017-06-22T23:01:10 < englishman> Nexus 7 (2013) No guaranteed Android version updates after July 2015
2017-06-22T23:01:11 < Steffanx> englishman, my wileyfox phone is cheap and has updates.. screw you.
2017-06-22T23:01:43 < Steffanx> Even after that cyanogen mod os stuff stopped they provided a clean and nice android 7.
2017-06-22T23:01:47 < englishman> Nexus 6P No guaranteed Android version updates after September 2017
2017-06-22T23:01:49 < englishman> already obsolete
2017-06-22T23:02:28 < zyp> englishman, well, I said third party
2017-06-22T23:02:53 < englishman> then all you get is crap
2017-06-22T23:02:59 < englishman> cyanogen is dead, lineage is crap
2017-06-22T23:03:22 < englishman> im thinking of getting a blackberry
2017-06-22T23:04:35 < Steffanx> Whats wrong with almost vanilla android englishman?
2017-06-22T23:04:45 < Steffanx> LOL crapberry -_-
2017-06-22T23:04:47 < englishman> wow they are still selling 6P even though they are discontinuing updates in 3 months
2017-06-22T23:05:01 < zyp> englishman, guess that goes for 5X too?
2017-06-22T23:05:11 < englishman> yes
2017-06-22T23:05:19 < Steffanx> Will you get their super secure android model englishman?
2017-06-22T23:05:26 < zyp> it's a shame there's no decent replacement for 5X yet
2017-06-22T23:05:40 < zyp> idk what I'd buy if I broke my phone today
2017-06-22T23:06:01 < englishman> same
2017-06-22T23:06:08 < zyp> anyway, that's besides the point
2017-06-22T23:06:33 < zyp> now I was thinking about a cheap tablet shit
2017-06-22T23:06:38 < Steffanx> I browse techtablets.com for my chinese tablet info once in a while.
2017-06-22T23:06:42 < englishman> maybe a used tablet, like nexus7
2017-06-22T23:06:46 < englishman> nothing wrong with them
2017-06-22T23:06:53 < Steffanx> but maintenance is an issue.
2017-06-22T23:06:55 < englishman> probably can get one for $25
2017-06-22T23:07:04 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, so any suggestions?
2017-06-22T23:07:43 < Steffanx> Nah they do notebook style much lately.
2017-06-22T23:08:13 < zyp> don't want that, want something that can be mounted on a wall and show a webpage in kiosk mode
2017-06-22T23:08:40 < Steffanx> and many they show there run windows and android
2017-06-22T23:08:51 < zyp> actually
2017-06-22T23:09:00 < zyp> I don't need it to run android at all if that's an issue
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2017-06-22T23:09:24 < Steffanx> but the Cube i7, chuwi hi8/hi10/vi10/wahtever seem to be popular
2017-06-22T23:09:41 < Steffanx> or maybe Teclast
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2017-06-22T23:10:17 < Steffanx> I have one of those chuwi vi10s. isnt too bad, but already old now. And i hardly use it anymore.
2017-06-22T23:10:19 < Steffanx> but it was damn cheap
2017-06-22T23:10:29 < Steffanx> (and probably warezed windows0
2017-06-22T23:10:31 < Steffanx> )
2017-06-22T23:11:12 < Steffanx> And im not sure if a 300$ tablet is something you are looking for
2017-06-22T23:11:25 < zyp> too expensive
2017-06-22T23:11:41 < Steffanx> but it does give you a fancy pants intel core m.
2017-06-22T23:13:38 < zyp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32761353355.html <- I'm thinking more like this price range or cheaper if it's possible to get anything that's usable at all
2017-06-22T23:16:11 < englishman> xiaomi should be well supported
2017-06-22T23:16:19 < Steffanx> by whom?
2017-06-22T23:17:35 < englishman> some lunix hacker in Leipzig
2017-06-22T23:17:41 < Steffanx> ah, yeah.
2017-06-22T23:18:11 < Steffanx> Almost thought you expected support from china
2017-06-22T23:19:30 < Steffanx> oh, i dont know then zyp. But anything should be able to show a website..
2017-06-22T23:19:38 < Steffanx> unless it does flash and/or too much jquery.
2017-06-22T23:19:43 < Steffanx> -too much
2017-06-22T23:19:47 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-22T23:20:35 < zyp> I don't doubt anything will work, I just want something that I can put some half-decent software on without a ton of hassle as well
2017-06-22T23:21:36 < Steffanx> Too bad many of the cheap arse ones only run android 5.0/5.1
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2017-06-22T23:22:52 < englishman> zyp: found nexus 7 for 100nok (82usd) https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=98753892
2017-06-22T23:23:01 < Steffanx> 48cm..
2017-06-22T23:23:02 < Steffanx> damn
2017-06-22T23:23:14 < Steffanx> Excellent size for on the wall
2017-06-22T23:23:18 < englishman> i kno right
2017-06-22T23:23:26 < englishman> this one is manageable too https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=98000693
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2017-06-22T23:24:02 < englishman> eh, no lineageos for 2012 model
2017-06-22T23:24:15 < Steffanx> Magnus isn't on the right website. He thought it was tinder or something.
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2017-06-22T23:24:44 < englishman> http://oslo.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/
2017-06-22T23:25:17 < Steffanx> do i?
2017-06-22T23:25:20 < Steffanx> click.
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2017-06-22T23:27:57 < Steffanx> How are the chicks doing englishman
2017-06-22T23:28:11 < englishman> bigger than store bought chicks already
2017-06-22T23:28:28 < Steffanx> Who buys chick in a store?
2017-06-22T23:28:42 < englishman> you only buy components
2017-06-22T23:30:16 < Steffanx> Yeah, sometimes just without the legs, head, Intestines and feathers. Never gets closer to a real chick.
2017-06-22T23:31:04 < Steffanx> Nice for in the oven.
2017-06-22T23:31:46 < Steffanx> Or with it's arse over beer can (with beer) on the bbq.
2017-06-22T23:31:51 < englishman> ooh yes
2017-06-22T23:31:59 < Steffanx> *over a beer can
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2017-06-23T00:11:24 < invzim> wife uses the gizzard, in Norway you have to go to special stores to get that
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2017-06-23T01:51:35 < kakimir> time for medical beer dose
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2017-06-23T01:55:03 < kakimir> englishman: I have an appointment for medical now. in june
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2017-06-23T01:55:44 < kakimir> maybe lapl(s) before end of june
2017-06-23T01:55:59 < crt> Wot
2017-06-23T01:56:21 < crt> Where is englishman
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2017-06-23T01:57:13 < kakimir> then 10hours solos rock on and I will have passenger(victim) permit
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2017-06-23T02:03:02 < englishman> kakimir: ian from forgotten weapons is in finland rite now
2017-06-23T02:03:14 < englishman> at varusteleka
2017-06-23T02:03:27 < ohsix> boop
2017-06-23T02:04:13 < englishman> shooting one of these i hope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9qHv_XEAZg
2017-06-23T02:10:49 < kakimir> I already knew what there was in the link when you said it like that
2017-06-23T02:11:14 < kakimir> there was short period of time when rifles were used to stop tanks
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2017-06-23T02:12:10 < kakimir> swedes made one that was recoilless and way lighter
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2017-06-23T02:17:34 < kakimir> I hate to say it but if I lived at the time I would liked to have swede one instead of lahti anti-tank
2017-06-23T02:18:21 < kakimir> but men were tought back then and little 30kg riffle was nothing in snow
2017-06-23T02:29:29 < upgrdman> any easy online tools to see a plot of something like "a 16MHz square wave band limited to 100MHz" etc?
2017-06-23T02:29:42 < upgrdman> or do i need to spice a circuit
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2017-06-23T02:37:00 < bitrot> you can do it online to audio-frequency signals
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2017-06-23T02:38:53 < bitrot> https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/#?id=zhq9j8 shit like this help you ?
2017-06-23T02:40:32 < upgrdman> thx
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2017-06-23T03:24:37 < englishman> well kaks finns have pretty cool guns besides that
2017-06-23T03:24:50 < englishman> almost always adapted from guns they stole or bought, then improved
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2017-06-23T03:47:10 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/Inspmarkevans/status/877484108212994049
2017-06-23T03:47:11 < Laurenceb__> wew
2017-06-23T03:47:26 < Laurenceb__> the most epin thing to happen on twitter
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2017-06-23T03:59:42 < kakimir> englishman: how many Gs you can pull in cessna?
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2017-06-23T04:19:12 < kakimir> hah
2017-06-23T04:19:19 < kakimir> 3.8
2017-06-23T04:19:28 < kakimir> nothing
2017-06-23T04:20:04 < kakimir> in our school glider 6g is allowed and structural failure will occur at around 10
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2017-06-23T04:29:07 < englishman> kakimir: yeah I think it's like 4
2017-06-23T04:29:11 < englishman> And no negative G
2017-06-23T04:29:23 < englishman> way less than gliders
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2017-06-23T04:40:41 < crt> dadcon
2017-06-23T04:40:56 < crt> welcome englishman
2017-06-23T04:40:59 < crt> how are they
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2017-06-23T05:00:56 < Thorn> how do I make a PCB trace that can take 36A @12V
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2017-06-23T05:29:12 < tpw_rules> Thorn: um, very wide?
2017-06-23T05:33:38 < Thorn> 5mm wtf
2017-06-23T05:35:50 < crt> better ask crt
2017-06-23T05:37:00 < Thorn> how do I calculate width if the trace is exposed and tinned
2017-06-23T05:37:12 < Thorn> with a thick layer of solder
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2017-06-23T05:44:11 < crt> better watch eevblog
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2017-06-23T06:03:14 < dale6998> anyone know a good way in GDB to look at TIM4.CCR4?
2017-06-23T06:03:34 < dale6998> p TIM4.CCR4 says that there's no TIM4 in this context
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2017-06-23T06:04:19 < Thorn> compile with -ggdb -g3
2017-06-23T06:14:15 < dale6998> hmmm...alright, but let me ask you this:  this makefile i've got has this in it:
2017-06-23T06:14:35 < dale6998> CFLAGS += -g -gdwarf-2
2017-06-23T06:14:43 < dale6998> should i comment that out and go with this:
2017-06-23T06:14:56 < dale6998> CFLAGS += -ggdb -g3
2017-06-23T06:14:57 < dale6998> ?
2017-06-23T06:21:16 < englishman> Thorn: make it at least 50 mils wide
2017-06-23T06:21:19 < englishman> and 0.5oz
2017-06-23T06:23:24 < Thorn> dale6998: yes something like that. -g3 instead of -g is the important thing
2017-06-23T06:23:30 < Thorn> iirc
2017-06-23T06:24:30 < Thorn> 0.5oz = 18µm? that is the minimum thickness for cheap pcbs iirc
2017-06-23T06:25:07 < crt> welcome englishman
2017-06-23T06:25:24 < englishman> hello fellow innovators and serial inventors
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2017-06-23T06:28:53 < dale6998> ok, got it...and is it possible to stop the timer when i hit a breakpoint in the debugger?  my interrupts keep firing after hitting CTRL+C...but, i did not do that earlier, iirc
2017-06-23T06:30:35 < Thorn> see section called "debug mode" in the timer chapter in your RM
2017-06-23T06:30:56 < crt> thank
2017-06-23T06:31:05 < dale6998> roger
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2017-06-23T06:32:48 < dale6998> DBG_TIMx_STOP !!
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2017-06-23T07:07:19 < englishman> !wz phoenix
2017-06-23T07:07:20 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 38.8°C. WNW wind: 6.1 kph.
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2017-06-23T07:13:33 < ohsix> Thorn: http://www.epectec.com/images/30oz-pcb-copper-features.jpg
2017-06-23T07:16:29 < Thorn> wtf
2017-06-23T07:25:06 < crt> ticket ticket
2017-06-23T07:25:23 < crt> ty ohsix
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2017-06-23T07:32:03 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/d0m1xoi.jpg
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2017-06-23T07:59:11 < Thorn> how do I sync 4 timers with 4 CC channels each so that not all channels are on at the same time as much as possible (to reduce instantaneous current draw)
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2017-06-23T08:13:07 < upgrdman> Thorn, i dont think you can
2017-06-23T08:14:11 < upgrdman> well, if the timers have different periods, you would kind of get that, but there'd be a beat frequency
2017-06-23T08:15:35 < upgrdman> oh, random thought: if you stagger when you enable the timers, that might do the trick. like enable tim1, nop a few times, enable tim2, nop a few times, ...
2017-06-23T08:16:01 < upgrdman> and disable interrupts when to do that to make it more deterministic
2017-06-23T08:19:23 < ohsix> Thorn: that's usually called dead time, if the peripheral supports it that's also what it's usually called
2017-06-23T08:19:58 < ohsix> wouldn't you use one timer and another compare to do that
2017-06-23T08:20:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, isnt dead time the delay between the complementary outputs, e.g. so your half-bridge doesn't shoot through
2017-06-23T08:20:30 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/54/0f/67/eb/47/34/45/40/DM00042534.pdf/files/DM00042534.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00042534.pdf
2017-06-23T08:20:30 < englishman> Thorn: have a 5th timer that does it?
2017-06-23T08:20:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: yea
2017-06-23T08:20:51 < englishman> thru interrupt
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2017-06-23T08:21:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: i approve of the extrapolation tho ;]
2017-06-23T08:21:28 < Thorn> englishman: does what
2017-06-23T08:21:37 < englishman> starts timers in a sequence
2017-06-23T08:22:10 < Thorn> oh well starting timers with a delay between them is not a problem
2017-06-23T08:22:20 < englishman> great
2017-06-23T08:22:30 < Thorn> especially if I start them once at startup and keep them running forever
2017-06-23T08:23:09 < Thorn> no need to conserve mcu current if you control 36A of load lol
2017-06-23T08:23:44 < englishman> right, you just want them in different phases
2017-06-23T08:24:25 < Thorn> there is also center/edge aligned pwm, no idea if that can help
2017-06-23T08:24:49 < ohsix> ooh phases, right; you can probably find a motor control appnote that shows you how to do it with 3 outputs :p
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2017-06-23T15:14:00 < jpa-> zyp: do you know whether it is ok for a USB device to NAK on OUT endpoint when it is waiting to transmit data on an IN endpoint?
2017-06-23T15:14:22 < jpa-> i.e. i have only one packet buffer and if i have data to send to PC, i'd have to send it to have the buffer free for reception
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2017-06-23T15:19:52 < zyp> jpa-, from a bus perspective, IN and OUT endpoints are completely independent, so as long as your application can't get into a deadlock situation because host and devices expect opposing transfers to finish first, you should be good
2017-06-23T15:20:17 < jpa-> hm yeah, makes sense
2017-06-23T15:20:38 < zyp> from a device side driver perspective, there might be some gotchas though
2017-06-23T15:20:48 < jpa-> i guess i can allocate enough space for one usb packet anyway, just not for the whole transfer
2017-06-23T15:21:03 < zyp> I assume this is a st_usbfs device, since the FIFO architecture of the dwc_otg doesn't lend itself to buffer sharing well
2017-06-23T15:21:51 < Thorn> >The Arduino libraries only allow you to use 8 bit resolution, even on the 16 bit timers.
2017-06-23T15:22:02 < bitrot> >2017
2017-06-23T15:22:03 < bitrot> >arduino
2017-06-23T15:22:18 < zyp> how will your application work, will it be expected to handle OUT transfers at any time, except for brief moments when the buffer is used for IN transfers?
2017-06-23T15:22:21 < Thorn> what if the host also has one buffer and needs to send data before it can receive lol
2017-06-23T15:22:37 < zyp> or will you have a strictly defined order of IN and OUT transfers?
2017-06-23T15:22:54 < jpa-> it's dwc_otg actually
2017-06-23T15:22:58 < zyp> for instance, will you only issue IN transfers in response to completed OUT transfers
2017-06-23T15:23:08 < zyp> oh, on dwc_otg it wouldn't work at all
2017-06-23T15:23:31 < Thorn> wtf lagging again test
2017-06-23T15:23:37 < jpa-> it's the NCM stuff, i guess i was a bit imprecise in that i have no trouble finding space for a single usb packet coming in, but i can't take the whole 1kB+ that might be coming in a single transfer
2017-06-23T15:24:11 < jpa-> so i want to block the OUT transfer until i can empty my "big buffer" for the incoming ethernet frame
2017-06-23T15:24:35 < zyp> ah, right
2017-06-23T15:25:04 < zyp> so you're talking about the software transfer buffer, not the hardware buffer
2017-06-23T15:25:09 < jpa-> yeah
2017-06-23T15:25:41 < zyp> again, as long as you don't risk a deadlock situation, I guess you're good
2017-06-23T15:25:55 < jpa-> yep.. i'll see what happens, thanks :)
2017-06-23T15:27:03 < zyp> are you doing NCM to lwip or something, how was that?
2017-06-23T15:27:20 < jpa-> nah, i'm trying to cram stuff very tiny just for the fun of it
2017-06-23T15:27:46 < zyp> well, I mean, where do the OUT transfers go, and where do IN transfers come from?
2017-06-23T15:27:49 < jpa-> so i'll have a very bare custom ipv6/tcp stuff that will only support one peer and not worry about packet loss
2017-06-23T15:28:15 < zyp> okay, so not lwip but barebones ipv6 stack
2017-06-23T15:28:49 < jpa-> i have one buffer that is enough for an ethernet frame; so the OUT transfer will go there once it is free, and then i'll call a callback function like   you_got_data(uint8_t *buf, size_t len);   after i parse the headers
2017-06-23T15:29:12 < zyp> there's one problem I foresee, if you only have one buffer
2017-06-23T15:29:15 < jpa-> and in the other direction i'll buffer up data there until either the buffer fills up or i need to handle an OUT transfer, and then i'll dump the whole buffer into IN transfer
2017-06-23T15:29:31 < zyp> managing ownership of it
2017-06-23T15:29:42 < zyp> when does it get reserved for OUT, when does it get reserved for IN?
2017-06-23T15:29:57 < zyp> once you've started filling data into it, you can't discard it without losing that data
2017-06-23T15:32:03 < jpa-> i'll be doing all the usb stuff in the "main thread" in a blocking manner; so when i get a call to cdcncm_handle_usb_packet(), i'll then end up calling usbd_ep_write_packet() several times and waiting for it to transmit stuff, and after that get back to usbd_ep_read_packet(), and then call the callback; and once the callback has processed the frame, i can clear up the buffer and reuse it again
2017-06-23T15:32:35 < jpa-> there is a bit of annoyance in that the callback cannot write packets itself because the buffer is reserved
2017-06-23T15:33:27 < zyp> remember that with dwc_otg, you can't let OUT packets stay in the RXFIFO until you're ready to process them
2017-06-23T15:33:52 < jpa-> true, i'll have to call usbd_ep_read_packet() atleast once first.. but i guess i can tell it to NAK any future packets?
2017-06-23T15:34:00 < zyp> yes
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2017-06-23T15:35:26 < zyp> I'm in the process of rewriting my stack to take a buffer up front to a submit_transfer()-call and the endpoint will stay in NAK any time there's not a pending transfer (which will already have a buffer associated)
2017-06-23T15:36:24 < zyp> the only way I'd be able to share the buffer with that model would be to do the IN transfer right after the OUT transfer finishes, before submitting a new OUT transfer
2017-06-23T15:36:34 < invzim> anyone know what 'output level high' means when you're using open drain?
2017-06-23T15:37:06 < zyp> would worke well for a request/response model, but if packages can be generated in both directions at any time, that wouldn't work well
2017-06-23T15:37:17 < zyp> invzim, what context?
2017-06-23T15:37:30 < zyp> open drain means you output low or floating
2017-06-23T15:37:31 < jpa-> yeah, and saving that 64 bytes of memory is not much importance anyway
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2017-06-23T15:38:53 < invzim> zyp: cubemx, I'm going to use open drain - but it also has high/low output setting
2017-06-23T15:39:20 < bitrot> open drain just means that when you write a "1" it puts it into high z
2017-06-23T15:39:51 < invzim> iknow, thought maybe it was able to sink more current or something with 'high'
2017-06-23T15:40:23 < Thorn> well you can use a 1W 1Ω pullup for that lol
2017-06-23T15:40:40 < zyp> invzim, that's output strength or speed, not level
2017-06-23T15:42:19 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwKFpyG8xGa3d0FtVTE5MmVDR0E
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2017-06-23T15:43:29 < bitrot> the "level" is the default GPIO value
2017-06-23T15:43:34 < bitrot> the speed is the current
2017-06-23T15:43:54 < bitrot> (i think ? sometimes its marked as 50MHz, 100Mhz, ? so dunno)
2017-06-23T15:44:52 < invzim> I'll just leave at low
2017-06-23T15:45:05 < bitrot> when you configure the interfaces for stuff like SD
2017-06-23T15:45:07 < bitrot> it sets it to high
2017-06-23T15:45:12 < bitrot> speed, not level
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2017-06-23T15:46:09 < invzim> yeah, I get the speed part
2017-06-23T15:46:11 < invzim> :)
2017-06-23T15:46:19 < rajkosto> what dont you get then ?
2017-06-23T15:46:20 < rajkosto> level ?
2017-06-23T15:46:22 < invzim> yes
2017-06-23T15:46:26 < invzim> when used with open drain
2017-06-23T15:46:38 < rajkosto> its the same as HAL_GPIO_SET
2017-06-23T15:46:43 < rajkosto> Low is RESET, High is SET
2017-06-23T15:46:53 < rajkosto> its just what it will output right after configuration
2017-06-23T15:47:13 < invzim> ah, so it's the state after reset?
2017-06-23T15:47:21 < rajkosto> its the state after GPIO_Config is done
2017-06-23T15:47:27 < invzim> nice, thanks
2017-06-23T15:47:29 < invzim> makes sense
2017-06-23T15:47:31 < rajkosto> as i said, its just the default pin state
2017-06-23T15:47:45 < rajkosto> pretty sure reset state is always analog_input high z
2017-06-23T15:47:55 < rajkosto> as it happens before any firmware runs
2017-06-23T15:47:59 < invzim> anything else would be stupid :)
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2017-06-23T16:56:24 < Laurenceb__> >Be kid
2017-06-23T16:56:31 < Laurenceb__> >Stupid parents buy me a Rpi
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2017-06-23T16:56:43 < Laurenceb__> >Tell me this is how ppl learn programmin and shieet
2017-06-23T16:56:54 < Laurenceb__> >Try to open facebook and tell all my boys about my new swag
2017-06-23T16:57:04 < Laurenceb__> >It takes 2minutes to open a single page,lags like sheeett
2017-06-23T16:57:20 < Laurenceb__> >Tell my parents the computer be dumb and shieet
2017-06-23T16:57:28 < Laurenceb__> >They slap my face and tell me this is why I cant be smart
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2017-06-23T17:08:38 < zzattack> good parens
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2017-06-23T17:13:46 < englishman> at least they didnt get you an edison
2017-06-23T17:18:18 < englishman> https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/6iwrjq/igg_tinboard_ceo_is_a_stock_photo/
2017-06-23T17:18:21 < englishman> lolll
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2017-06-23T19:13:40 < invzim> rajkosto: how do you do the gray out stuff in 3d - ref show same components when doing assembly?
2017-06-23T19:13:50 < rajkosto> filter ?
2017-06-23T19:14:12 < rajkosto> go to pcb filter and unselect mask on "IsSelected"
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2017-06-23T19:26:08 < invzim> got it
2017-06-23T19:26:10 < invzim> \o/
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2017-06-23T19:30:51 < Thorn> BulgariaSat-1 Launch Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8mLi-rRTh8
2017-06-23T19:31:31 < englishman> beep aandrew
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2017-06-23T19:42:16 < Steffanx> Proxy-aandrew: bop englishman
2017-06-23T19:43:12 < aandrew> lol
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2017-06-23T20:58:13 < Thorn> https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/06/23/bulgariasat-1-mission-status-center/
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2017-06-23T21:05:49 < englishman> was it delayed?
2017-06-23T21:06:08 < englishman> adobe flash, lol
2017-06-23T21:06:52 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjvvXnlgsw
2017-06-23T21:14:16 < Steffanx> so is it delayed?
2017-06-23T21:15:18 < Thorn> yes 50 minutes or so
2017-06-23T21:15:47 < Thorn> or 60
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2017-06-23T21:56:51 < Thorn> T-13 min
2017-06-23T21:56:55 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/lucasthemagnif?lang=en
2017-06-23T21:58:23 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czw1ZSTUsAARbyd.jpg
2017-06-23T21:58:33 < Steffanx> Dear mr. please tell me how to care.
2017-06-23T21:58:48 < Steffanx> I really cannot do that.
2017-06-23T21:59:01 < englishman> looking good blaxter
2017-06-23T22:00:59 < Laurenceb__> The crusades is like the Holocaust for fedoras
2017-06-23T22:01:15 < Laurenceb__> not sure if this guy is a troll
2017-06-23T22:01:54 < Thorn> I updated textual and Laurenceb__ nick is no longer warning red. should report bug
2017-06-23T22:01:55 < Steffanx> Why. Even. Bother? LoRanceb?
2017-06-23T22:02:17 < englishman> heh
2017-06-23T22:03:16 < Laurenceb__> warning lol
2017-06-23T22:06:11 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for you Thorn.
2017-06-23T22:06:21 < Steffanx> I truly do.
2017-06-23T22:08:47 < Thorn> T-1:20
2017-06-23T22:18:21 < zyp> what happened to the first stage cam?
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2017-06-23T22:18:26 < zyp> (I'm watching without sound)
2017-06-23T22:20:44 < Thorn> they said loss of signal
2017-06-23T22:20:49 < zyp> aww
2017-06-23T22:21:42 < zyp> missed the best part
2017-06-23T22:23:45 < Thorn> next spacex launch in 49 hours
2017-06-23T22:27:10 < Thorn> someone is getting a lot of overtime pay (or not)
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2017-06-23T22:42:03 < invzim> rajkosto: MOST useful tip about the 3d highlight/dim stuff
2017-06-23T22:42:11 < invzim> made assembly a lot easier
2017-06-23T22:42:16 < rajkosto> yep
2017-06-23T22:42:20 < rajkosto> select group with same comment/description
2017-06-23T22:42:25 < rajkosto> pcb filter-> mask unselected
2017-06-23T22:42:35 < rajkosto> 3d view only shows ones you are doin that pass :P
2017-06-23T22:42:49 < rajkosto> in sch list you can sort by comment/description too
2017-06-23T22:42:58 < invzim> yup
2017-06-23T22:43:10 < Thorn> >Rocket is extra toasty and hit the deck hard (used almost all of the emergency crush core), but otherwise good
2017-06-23T22:43:15 < invzim> messed up with the 0.1uf's by not having ALL schematic pages open
2017-06-23T22:43:33 < invzim> so had to to back, but compared to looking at schematics etc it was fantastic
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2017-06-23T22:52:19 < englishman> So it appears there is no "skill" involved in "fidget spinning"....just another idiotic fad...*sigh*
2017-06-23T22:52:20 < englishman> wat
2017-06-23T22:52:25 < englishman> Laurenceb: obvious troll is obvious
2017-06-23T22:52:33 < englishman> and highly not-funny
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2017-06-23T23:03:30 < ohsix> why isn't there anyone trying to sell 3d printers on the basis of that kind of thing having started there
2017-06-23T23:07:42 < Steffanx> Context.
2017-06-23T23:10:00 < englishman> yes, wat.
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2017-06-23T23:35:00 < Steffanx> You do this too during your construction work Laurenceb? http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/9515eaa4_VID_20170623_WA0001.mp4.mp4.mp4
2017-06-23T23:35:21 < Steffanx> like in the good old times
2017-06-23T23:36:26 < ohsix> that looks a bit random
2017-06-23T23:36:34 < ohsix> shame
2017-06-23T23:37:40 < Steffanx> But no context required. As its all there
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2017-06-24T00:56:52 < Kitlith> alright. I threw a firmware dumped off of a stm32's flash into IDA at the proper offset. (I gave up on radare until I got things making sense at all) -- where I would think the exception vectors to be, at the beginning of flash, still don't really make any kind of sense. Is there some sort of header at the beginning of flash? but that doesn't make sense either...
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2017-06-24T01:08:38 < englishman> yes, the interrupt vector table
2017-06-24T01:08:45 < englishman> at least, its there by default
2017-06-24T01:30:44 < karlp> you only _need_ to have two vcectors though,
2017-06-24T01:30:50 < karlp> initial sp and pc
2017-06-24T01:36:01 < Kitlith> ... Ah. The kind of vectors I'm thinking of are instructions. You jump to address 0 to preform the reset vector, 0+4 to do whatever the second vector is... etc.
2017-06-24T01:36:12 < Kitlith> No wonder I was confused.
2017-06-24T01:39:56 < Thorn> this is how it was before armv6 afaik
2017-06-24T01:40:04 < Thorn> but not anymore
2017-06-24T01:40:13 < Kitlith> Got it.
2017-06-24T01:40:58 < Kitlith> ... I wonder if that's why i never got exceptions working on the raspberry pi 3. That could explain something...
2017-06-24T01:47:20 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/23/windows_10_leak/
2017-06-24T01:47:29 < upgrdman> 32TB of Windows 10 internal builds, core source code leak online
2017-06-24T01:50:09 < karlp> damnit.  had basic timer triggered dma of adc+tempsense to a memory buffer working yesterday on some other  hardware.  copied that code to run on the l1 disco at home and explore a few more options.
2017-06-24T01:50:13 < karlp> doesn't actually run properly now.
2017-06-24T01:50:42 < karlp> I just get the external channel three times, instead of one external and one temp sense and one vrefint
2017-06-24T01:50:45 < karlp> stupid shit
2017-06-24T01:50:48 < karlp> so much for working from home.
2017-06-24T01:56:22 < karlp> oh ffs. forgot to enable scan mode
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2017-06-24T02:24:20 < ohsix> Kitlith: get the cmsis _system / _startup code for the thing you're using
2017-06-24T02:24:49 < Kitlith> to generate FLIRT signatures against?
2017-06-24T02:24:52 < ohsix> it has the vector table in it and stuff
2017-06-24T02:24:52 < karlp> ohsix: that's stupid advice. stop it.
2017-06-24T02:25:01 < ohsix> you could, but just cross reference it
2017-06-24T02:25:19 < ohsix> karlp: wat
2017-06-24T02:25:51 < Kitlith> I'm currently using libopencm3 as a cross reference for registers and the like.
2017-06-24T02:26:01 < ohsix> Kitlith: i built an 'empty' project for something i was doing on the 303, it helped but not a ton
2017-06-24T02:26:02 < karlp> you can just take cmsis startup code and assume that all people use it.
2017-06-24T02:26:10 < karlp> it's completely bogus advice.
2017-06-24T02:26:22 < ohsix> good, cuz that isn't even what i was implying
2017-06-24T02:26:34 < ohsix> BUT
2017-06-24T02:26:35 < karlp> and as I mentioned, the only two vectors that are required are the first two, so you can't even read anything meaningful there
2017-06-24T02:26:44 < ohsix> you can learn pretty quick if it is or isn't using _startup.s/c
2017-06-24T02:26:58 < ohsix> you can find the section addresses to see what startup code it is using
2017-06-24T02:28:52 < Kitlith> the entry point has an inlined memcpy of the vectors to ram, 8 calls to memcpy, and 2 calls to memset before eventually jumping to either main or more setup code.
2017-06-24T02:29:25 < ohsix> did you ever say what it came out of?
2017-06-24T02:30:27 < ohsix> karlp: literally only said that after he asked about the vector table, you can find the info in the documentation too
2017-06-24T02:31:28 < Kitlith> ohsix, It came out of a datel powersaves.
2017-06-24T02:31:42 < ohsix> neat
2017-06-24T02:32:43 < ohsix> huh, what do you want to get the code for? is it encoding the saves so yu can't share them or something?
2017-06-24T02:32:59 < ohsix> when i was doing ds stuff, reading the save off a cart was pretty easy
2017-06-24T02:33:13 < Kitlith> To complete this: https://github.com/kitling/powerslaves
2017-06-24T02:34:34 < Kitlith> It acts as a hid device, taking commands that allow you to send cartridge commands, talk spi, etc.
2017-06-24T02:34:59 < Kitlith> But there might be more commands than are used in the default softare...
2017-06-24T02:36:23 < ohsix> oh ok
2017-06-24T02:36:30 < ohsix> so you want to find the usb registers & the irq for it
2017-06-24T02:36:37 < ohsix> don't even bother with anything else lul
2017-06-24T02:37:03 < ohsix> tell normmatt i said hi
2017-06-24T02:37:59 < ohsix> you can just define the registers in the ram area then look for xrefs
2017-06-24T02:38:26 < upgrdman> anyone know of a usb3 hub like the sparkfun cerberus?
2017-06-24T02:40:26 < Kitlith> Yeah, I already did a search for immediates, and got a ton of results for functions that... look more general than what I'd be looking for, I think.
2017-06-24T02:43:26 < ohsix> do you know about the framing & reporting for hid
2017-06-24T02:43:43 < ohsix> can't remember if the irq distinguishes endpoints or if you have to check
2017-06-24T02:44:07 < ohsix> also if you do find otu what they used to build it, let me know
2017-06-24T02:44:23 < ohsix> there should be some strings in startup/library code that give it away
2017-06-24T02:48:11 < Kitlith> The only strings that make sense to me are "3DS Powersaves", "Datel", "HID Config", and "HID Interface"
2017-06-24T02:48:40 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/99/6b/a7/ec/2a/4b/4b/47/DM00104543.pdf/files/DM00104543.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00104543.pdf
2017-06-24T02:48:53 < ohsix>  #define USBD_INTERFACE_FS_STRING "HID Interface"
2017-06-24T02:48:58 < ohsix>  #define USBD_CONFIGURATION_FS_STRING "HID Config"
2017-06-24T02:49:10 < ohsix> not definitive, but whatever
2017-06-24T02:49:27 < ohsix> that pdf is a nice little tour through what's going on too, huhu
2017-06-24T02:49:35 < Kitlith> Mmm.
2017-06-24T02:50:05 < ohsix> if you find out it probably is st's usbd, now is the time it might be worth it to build 'empty' hid project to get some sigs
2017-06-24T02:50:35 < ohsix> something that is sometimes useful is to check out all the nullsub_*'s and see if one is just a shoddily patched out logging routine
2017-06-24T02:50:53 < ohsix> the call sites are interesting when they are
2017-06-24T02:52:12 < Kitlith> no nullsubs are showing up in IDA atm.
2017-06-24T02:52:53 < ohsix> if a firmware only does 'one thing', it'll also probably be one of the larger functions or the one with a lot of basic blocks
2017-06-24T03:12:59 < Kitlith> This is totally st's usbd. Found a struct with references to a functions that reference those strings.
2017-06-24T03:17:37 < Kitlith> aka `typedef struct s_Device_TypeDef {...} USBD_DEVICE, *pUSBD_DEVICE;`
2017-06-24T03:21:41 < ohsix> ncie
2017-06-24T03:21:58 < ohsix> which chip is it, i might already have a thing
2017-06-24T03:23:36 < Kitlith> stm32f042x iirc
2017-06-24T03:24:26 < ohsix> ah nope
2017-06-24T03:27:35 < ohsix> damn i feel dum
2017-06-24T03:27:57 < ohsix> someone brought a VFR flight map thing in and we've been looking at it and talking about it, isogonic lines came up, and magnetic declination
2017-06-24T03:28:13 < ohsix> i assumed the mag in drones and stuff were doing hard/soft iron compensation and shit, but it's declination
2017-06-24T03:28:30 < ohsix> nobody ever corrected me
2017-06-24T03:35:29 < ohsix> corrected, hehehehe
2017-06-24T03:41:59 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/e732ced346/25930.gif
2017-06-24T03:44:37 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/Nextlaunch/status/878363791578210304
2017-06-24T04:00:09 < Laurenceb__> https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10780977&cid=54678993
2017-06-24T04:03:09 < kakimir> they actually eat
2017-06-24T04:03:21 < kakimir> not just black ghosts
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2017-06-24T04:03:46 < kakimir> interesting
2017-06-24T04:04:01 < kakimir> midsummer drunkness
2017-06-24T04:04:06 < kakimir> nice party
2017-06-24T04:04:24 < kakimir> dancing at campfire
2017-06-24T04:04:29 < kakimir> stuff
2017-06-24T04:04:34 < kakimir> sauna
2017-06-24T04:04:44 < kakimir> sauna beer - a couple of
2017-06-24T04:04:55 < kakimir> sleep now
2017-06-24T04:05:13 < kakimir> no flying tommorrow I think
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2017-06-24T05:07:43 < kakimir> oh vomit insta sober
2017-06-24T05:09:11 < kakimir> it really takes a champpion to empty the stomach after 7 beer doses.. feels heavenly touht apart from taste the back of the mouth
2017-06-24T05:12:56 < Thorn> kakimir: https://static1.e621.net/data/18/44/1844071872c73bf54e034a119a2033cb.png
2017-06-24T05:15:11 < kakimir> I have become weak
2017-06-24T05:15:19 < kakimir> I think it's a blessing
2017-06-24T05:15:48 < kakimir> so I stay in safe drugs and don't start using alcohol
2017-06-24T05:16:02 < kakimir> in amounts*
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2017-06-24T05:20:07 < kakimir> how do I remove the burning in the back of my mouth and nose?
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2017-06-24T07:23:28 < crt> welcome back
2017-06-24T07:23:41 < crt> would you like a wispa gold
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2017-06-24T07:44:14 < crt> any englishman or kakimir action today
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2017-06-24T07:51:55 < ohsix> a little
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2017-06-24T08:25:32 < crt> hows about a bitta that then?
2017-06-24T08:27:01 < englishman> hi curt
2017-06-24T08:39:20 < crt> sup brew
2017-06-24T08:39:27 < crt> o/
2017-06-24T08:42:26 < englishman> sup bruf
2017-06-24T08:42:46 < crt> i'll show ya
2017-06-24T08:43:16 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jS3AgJh9/IMG_0367.PNG
2017-06-24T08:43:44 < crt> cat.
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2017-06-24T08:50:26 < Streaker> nice cunt
2017-06-24T08:52:15 < crt> Hi
2017-06-24T08:53:10 < ohsix> curt schilling?
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2017-06-24T10:08:55 < crt> Sunday, 30 April 2017 - Innovation - Something which starts with a delivery of stroopwafels
2017-06-24T10:09:03 < crt> sup R2COM
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2017-06-24T10:11:24 < crt> HAMBALI
2017-06-24T10:12:28 < crt> thought the cunt was dead
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2017-06-24T10:37:24 < crt> steffan
2017-06-24T10:40:08 < crt> waffle express mate
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2017-06-24T10:54:03 < Steffanx> What what crt ?
2017-06-24T10:54:15 < crt> sup
2017-06-24T10:54:25 < crt> mate
2017-06-24T10:54:27 < Steffanx> Sky
2017-06-24T10:54:31 < crt> still?
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2017-06-24T10:55:13 < crt> http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/suicide-bomber-blows-himself-up-near-meccas-grand-mosque-as-terrorist-attack-thwarted/news-story/ead53cb1d0c6c2c2ad1f885959351ec3
2017-06-24T10:58:12 < Steffanx> Thank you welcome.
2017-06-24T11:02:49 < crt> Hello welcome!
2017-06-24T11:02:53 < crt> what will you do steffan?
2017-06-24T11:03:22 < crt> please
2017-06-24T11:07:26 < crt> On some weekends, Drew placed a mop on his head, painted his face, put on his floral op-shop dress — covering it and the nanna knickers he placed around his ankles in fake poo. His name on these weekends was Miss Shitty, who spoke with a terrible, fake American accent.
2017-06-24T11:08:03 < crt> http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43da8290c31e5f5a7b191801e8dfe6c6
2017-06-24T11:08:18 < Steffanx> No plans for this weekend crt
2017-06-24T11:08:23 < Steffanx> There?
2017-06-24T11:08:30 < crt> work
2017-06-24T11:08:40 < crt> swear at inanimate objects
2017-06-24T11:08:42 < crt> scream
2017-06-24T11:09:00 < Steffanx> Why. There is a time of work and a time to relax
2017-06-24T11:09:11 < crt> it is saturday
2017-06-24T11:09:16 < crt> didn't work today
2017-06-24T11:09:24 < crt> maybe i will work sunday
2017-06-24T11:09:38 < crt> fuck the system
2017-06-24T11:10:05 < Steffanx> Yo mamma never told you its good to not work in the weeken
2017-06-24T11:10:08 < Steffanx> D
2017-06-24T11:10:24 < crt> hah
2017-06-24T11:10:46 < Steffanx> Better start keil and do some codes
2017-06-24T11:10:52 < crt> yeah
2017-06-24T11:11:02 < crt> sunday can be keil day
2017-06-24T11:11:27 < crt> i need to speak to dr. fixit
2017-06-24T11:11:31 < crt> do not worry
2017-06-24T11:11:33 < crt> i will fix it
2017-06-24T11:11:49 < Steffanx> But it will be recone day..
2017-06-24T11:11:58 < crt> that can fuck off
2017-06-24T11:12:16 < crt> fuck right off
2017-06-24T11:12:34 < crt> i'll just train someone else to do it
2017-06-24T11:13:04 < Steffanx> Crazy Recone Trainer
2017-06-24T11:13:09 < crt> sniffit
2017-06-24T11:13:15 < crt> you just remove the old one
2017-06-24T11:13:18 < crt> put a new one in
2017-06-24T11:13:23 < crt> why do people have to fuck it up
2017-06-24T11:15:53 < crt> suck it off
2017-06-24T11:16:50 < Steffanx> If not you would be out of business
2017-06-24T11:18:27 < crt> heh
2017-06-24T11:18:39 < crt> stroopwafels make it all better
2017-06-24T11:20:17 < Steffanx> Soon
2017-06-24T11:20:37 < Steffanx> When aussie customs are done with it
2017-06-24T11:20:50 < Steffanx> But aussies dont work on weekends, so ..
2017-06-24T11:20:52 < crt> those dirty fucks
2017-06-24T11:20:55 < crt> indeed
2017-06-24T11:20:58 < crt> lazy fucks
2017-06-24T11:21:10 < crt> getting their filthy hands on those wafflez
2017-06-24T11:21:29 < crt> i do have a few speakers to recone on mundy
2017-06-24T11:22:01 < crt> the crt battlers
2017-06-24T11:23:44 < crt> got some dirty tonight
2017-06-24T11:28:15 < invzim> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB16c96OpXXXXblaXXXq6xXFXXXY/226547957/HTB16c96OpXXXXblaXXXq6xXFXXXY.jpg?size=34017&height=500&width=800&hash=081c3c4e1b3eb6a7c01b08a480c65b7e
2017-06-24T11:28:40 < invzim> how wide would you guys make the PCB to fit this?
2017-06-24T11:29:00 < invzim> I tried 80mm and it was too wide
2017-06-24T11:29:31 < invzim> Then I shaves the pcb down to 79.8, but got them back 79.67 according to caliper, which has it rattling a bit
2017-06-24T11:29:34 < invzim> shaved
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2017-06-24T11:37:33 < crt> just dip it in shit
2017-06-24T11:37:47 < crt> or go the china way with glue
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2017-06-24T11:40:11 < invzim> dip it in shit?
2017-06-24T11:40:25 < crt> yes
2017-06-24T11:40:43 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv7jAK7KUcY
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2017-06-24T11:44:42 < crt> I got cut in line at Starbucks again. And I looked that motherfucker dead in the eye and I said it: "Go ahead, stick a shotgun in my pussy"
2017-06-24T11:45:52 < invzim> It all makes sense to me now
2017-06-24T11:45:56 < invzim> dip it in shit!
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2017-06-24T12:03:50 < Steffanx> Crt: Could Require Translation
2017-06-24T12:17:42 < crt> ty
2017-06-24T12:17:53 < crt> crazy ranting taco
2017-06-24T12:18:12 < crt> capacitor replacement technician
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2017-06-24T12:19:39 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px1XpukW0gQ
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2017-06-24T13:26:02 < jpa-> how badly would you guys rage if you met a C file with a bunch of #if 1 /* Section: memory allocation stuff */   #endif    just so that the lazy coder can collapse sections of the code?
2017-06-24T13:26:16 < crt> hi
2017-06-24T13:26:23 < Steffanx> ARGHJ, facken Logitech developers that make their Qt app fail on case sensitive filesystems.
2017-06-24T13:27:31 < Steffanx> Someone has been using #region much lately jpa-?
2017-06-24T13:29:53 < Steffanx> I wouldn't rage jpa-. I would be more like: "Hmmmm, okaay".
2017-06-24T13:29:57 < Thorn> iirc qt creator still can't properly collapse #if...#endif blocks
2017-06-24T13:30:07 < Steffanx> and then move on
2017-06-24T13:30:24 < Thorn> but it's probably better than editor specific markers like /* {{{ */  ...  /* }}} */
2017-06-24T13:30:25 < jpa-> Steffanx: not lately, but yeah i always liked #region in C# even though some people seem to hate it
2017-06-24T13:30:36 < Steffanx> haters are gonna hate.
2017-06-24T13:30:51 < jpa-> ah, {{{ }}} works in kate
2017-06-24T13:30:55 < jpa-> maybe i'll use that one
2017-06-24T13:32:05 < Steffanx> Qt Creator does not collapse it at all, Thorn. The #if 1..
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2017-06-24T14:02:49 < invzim> balls, fpga is seems pretty dead
2017-06-24T14:02:57 < invzim> stm32 speaks tho
2017-06-24T14:03:47 < invzim> think the reflow wasn't hot enough - had some partial reflows, and the fpga has a thermal pad beneath that is also gnd
2017-06-24T14:04:30 < invzim> hot air or up the temp in oven and do another round?
2017-06-24T14:35:58 < Steffanx> xray it.
2017-06-24T14:36:00 < Steffanx> check.
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2017-06-24T15:21:49 < Laurenceb__> http://www.anonews.co/anonymous-nasa-alien/
2017-06-24T15:24:17 < Laurenceb__> Sexymp.co.uk
2017-06-24T15:30:50 < Laurenceb__> http://cdn.fastclick.net/adcouncil/160x600-web-banner_v2.png
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2017-06-24T16:24:03 < Steffanx> Hah, ublock origin knows how to deal with Laurenceb__ links. It blocks it because ad/spam
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2017-06-24T17:28:01 < englishman> jpa-: #if 1 is legit
2017-06-24T17:28:18 < englishman> nothing lazy about that
2017-06-24T17:29:16 < Steffanx> but to use it as a way to allow a code editor to do folding..
2017-06-24T17:29:21 < Steffanx> it's a bit weird imho
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2017-06-24T17:29:57 < englishman> *just* for that
2017-06-24T17:29:57 < englishman> eh
2017-06-24T17:30:19 < Steffanx> *JUST* for that.
2017-06-24T17:31:14 < englishman> marginal but acceptable
2017-06-24T17:31:17 < englishman> as long as there is no nesting
2017-06-24T17:31:31 < englishman> id say
2017-06-24T17:32:37 < englishman> what's innovating today, steffy?
2017-06-24T17:34:45 < Steffanx> ugfx.
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2017-06-24T17:35:04 < englishman> ooh
2017-06-24T17:35:11 < englishman> quality innovations, then
2017-06-24T17:36:17 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/_1mRUhAzPoo yeah. Finally got to porting this stuff to the F7 disco.
2017-06-24T17:36:34 < Steffanx> but doesn't work as well yet as in that vid, sadly.
2017-06-24T17:37:29 < englishman> that video manifests more questions than it answers
2017-06-24T17:38:13 < Steffanx> I just wanted to have such menu
2017-06-24T17:38:20 < Steffanx> but it turned out to be hell of a job in ugfx. Sadly
2017-06-24T17:38:39 < Steffanx> Android style sidebar menu thing.
2017-06-24T17:39:05 < englishman> i bet that can get complicated fast
2017-06-24T17:39:43 < Steffanx> it's actually quite simple, but ugfx lacks a proper window managerish thing. With proper redraw order.
2017-06-24T17:40:19 < Steffanx> so i hacked that in, Worked well when using SDL, not so when in the real world.
2017-06-24T17:41:22 < Steffanx> And transparency isn't really a thing in ugfx either :(
2017-06-24T17:43:54 < Steffanx> Too be honest, and Tectu is probably going to hate me, i expected ugfx to be more ready for this.
2017-06-24T17:44:55 < englishman> hm, my expectations of ufgx were much lower
2017-06-24T17:45:06 < englishman> maybe i would expect transparency / window management in mgfx
2017-06-24T17:45:09 < englishman> but not ugfx
2017-06-24T17:47:23 < Steffanx> Megagfx?
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2017-06-24T17:56:40 < Steffanx> matureGFX?
2017-06-24T17:56:59 < Steffanx> is your lora mature yet englishman?
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2017-06-24T18:06:24 < englishman> @steffy haven't touched it in a couple weeks. need to figure out how to do conformal coating on the cheap. thinking of clear polyurethane spray or maybe enamel
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2017-06-24T18:11:23 < Steffanx> At work we just hire a company to do that :P
2017-06-24T18:13:52 < Steffanx> No clue what is used.
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2017-06-24T18:29:38 < englishman> probably conformal coating
2017-06-24T18:29:40 < englishman> :)
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2017-06-24T18:45:18 < Laurenceb__> enlishman: this isn't twitter
2017-06-24T18:45:43 < Laurenceb__> also for conformal coating, most ppl use spray
2017-06-24T18:46:15 < Laurenceb__> but there is a vapour phase CVD process used for more rubbery coatings
2017-06-24T18:46:32 < Laurenceb__> never tried it myself, expensive set up costs
2017-06-24T18:47:14 < Laurenceb__> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/06/24/0113235/former-slashdot-contributor-jon-katz-believes-he-can-talk-to-animals
2017-06-24T18:47:16 < Laurenceb__> dat headline
2017-06-24T18:49:22 < Laurenceb__> for one project I used a gelcoat like UV cured resin
2017-06-24T18:49:57 < Laurenceb__> but that was mainly to get documented compliance to a shiton of ISO standards
2017-06-24T18:51:33 < Laurenceb__> *englishman
2017-06-24T18:51:37 < Laurenceb__> how do I even g
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2017-06-24T18:52:48 < Laurenceb__> oh and also for mining position sensors, the standards for that are even more crazy
2017-06-24T18:53:49 < Laurenceb__> meanwhile at Grenfell tower....
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2017-06-24T19:05:05 < kakimir> what was söc
2017-06-24T19:05:10 < kakimir> specs?
2017-06-24T19:05:15 < kakimir> for mining?
2017-06-24T19:05:19 < kakimir> 200C operation?
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2017-06-24T19:43:31 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: tons of moisture resistance and no arcing standards
2017-06-24T19:43:43 < Laurenceb__> and tons of different standards from different agencies
2017-06-24T19:43:48 < Laurenceb__> a paperwork nightmare
2017-06-24T19:44:06 < Laurenceb__> I just did mech design and paperwork, rest of the project looked like utter fail
2017-06-24T19:44:14 < Laurenceb__> bluetooth positioning or something stupid
2017-06-24T19:48:35 < Laurenceb__> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/how-do-modern-open-source-autopilots-compare-to-aerospace-grade-i#comments
2017-06-24T19:48:44 < Laurenceb__> Chris Anderson confirmed as perman00b
2017-06-24T19:48:48 < Steffanx> Is there anything you are positive about Laurenceb__?
2017-06-24T19:49:00 < Laurenceb__> no
2017-06-24T19:49:02 < Laurenceb__> I really don't know how to compare those.
2017-06-24T19:49:06 < Laurenceb__> ^epin fail
2017-06-24T19:49:26 < Steffanx> i figured
2017-06-24T19:49:27 < Laurenceb__> tl;dr honeywell utterly pwns invensense
2017-06-24T19:49:52 < Laurenceb__> but Chris Anderson is too retarded to see it
2017-06-24T19:50:16 < Steffanx> Should i know mr anderson? except from the matrix?
2017-06-24T19:51:04 < Laurenceb__> godaweful cloner, maker tier
2017-06-24T19:51:13 < Laurenceb__> rips peoples code off and is a general ass
2017-06-24T19:51:35 < Laurenceb__> comments deliver
2017-06-24T19:51:38 < Laurenceb__> "Compare that to known examples from other manufacturers who have discovered major issues with flight controllers, they delete user comments from their discussion board and reviews, and hold a clearance sale until the stock is all gone.
2017-06-24T19:51:38 < Laurenceb__> This is the type of thing that separates the professionals"
2017-06-24T19:52:05 < Laurenceb__> protip: ^he is talking about Chris Anderson
2017-06-24T19:57:22 < Laurenceb__> wow so much fail in the comments
2017-06-24T19:57:38 < Laurenceb__> how do I even Allan variance
2017-06-24T20:24:01 < phr3ak> I'm playing with DWT. anyone have idea why debug exception doesn't generated at one part of code and at other part it works well. the PRIMASK is zero so the interrupts are enabled
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2017-06-24T20:27:36 < zyp> what part?
2017-06-24T20:28:13 < zyp> could the part where it doesn't work be in an ISR context?
2017-06-24T20:29:47 < phr3ak> I think it is not in ISR but how could I check it
2017-06-24T20:30:19 < zyp> put a breakpoint there, check IPSR
2017-06-24T20:30:53 < zyp> if IPSR is nonzero, it's the interrupt number for the currently active ISR
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2017-06-24T20:37:42 < Laurenceb__>     Virgin Orbit will use psychology to launch satellites faster than anyone else
2017-06-24T20:37:47 < Laurenceb__> my sides
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2017-06-24T20:51:21 < phr3ak> ah thanks it was my mistake I extend the matching range and it is ok now.
2017-06-24T20:52:18 < phr3ak> is there any way to monitor the memory accesses with DWT if the access happen from ISR or the interrupts are disabled?
2017-06-24T20:52:40 < phr3ak> next I will try the mpu faults
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2017-06-24T22:05:49 < englishman> Lol Laurenceb__
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2017-06-24T22:38:55 < Thorn> https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/141643/vulnerability-researcher-and-patriot-ts-parsons-cyber
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2017-06-24T22:40:59 < jadew> so how I do I get a top secret security clearance?
2017-06-24T22:42:47 < jadew> I wonder what that job normally pays
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2017-06-24T22:45:38  * Steffanx approves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzedMdx6QG4
2017-06-24T22:45:45 < jadew> the requirements are basic, but I bet that top security thing will bump the pay a lot
2017-06-24T22:46:20 < aandrew> jadew: don't know. I'd love to get US clearance but I can't as a Canadian citizen. And I'm not sure I'd be able to get Canadian clearance becuase with an ex wife and ex gf both with kids I'm sure I'd be disqualified for blackmail reasons
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2017-06-24T22:47:03 < jadew> that tough?
2017-06-24T22:47:09 < Steffanx> Why did you screw up so bad aandrew ( none of my business.. i know )
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2017-06-24T22:48:39 < jadew> cuz the calendar method normally works?
2017-06-24T22:49:15 < jadew> (kidding of course)
2017-06-24T22:49:30 < englishman> nicely done steffy
2017-06-24T22:49:56 < Steffanx> What are you referring to mr englishman?
2017-06-24T22:50:03 < Steffanx> And stop calling me Steffy.
2017-06-24T22:50:07 < englishman> scammer ddos
2017-06-24T22:50:32 < englishman> aandrew: funny, since csis has booths at like every hacker con and student recruitment event
2017-06-24T22:51:21 < Steffanx> "We conquer the toughest logistical and technical challenges " .. hell ya.
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2017-06-24T22:52:56 < englishman> yes i know i am a scammer and i'm proud to be a scammer motherfucker
2017-06-24T22:53:17 < branjb> i used to scam people in diablo 2
2017-06-24T22:54:41 < englishman> steffy suits you well
2017-06-24T22:54:46 < jadew> I used to cheat in d2
2017-06-24T22:55:00 < branjb> anyone know what the name of these connectors are? the 2.54mm headers with the two plastic slots http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/262803798011-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
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2017-06-24T22:55:33 < jadew> I made aprogram that would allow me to target someone, so whenever I was shift clicking it would target them directly
2017-06-24T22:56:52 < branjb> i used to let people loot my corpse, load it up with junk, then kill them.  if they looted my corpse before theirs all their gear would drop because their inventory was full
2017-06-24T22:57:06 < englishman> bran, jst-XH?
2017-06-24T22:57:07 < jadew> hah
2017-06-24T22:57:24 < branjb> ah yeah thx fam
2017-06-24T22:58:28 < Steffanx> Thank you welcome!
2017-06-24T22:59:59 < englishman> fam is millenial slang?
2017-06-24T23:00:15 < branjb> wiki says i am a millenial
2017-06-24T23:00:19 < englishman> or an acronym, for fuckin a' mate!
2017-06-24T23:00:46 < branjb> "Demographers and researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years"
2017-06-24T23:01:42 < Steffanx> Facken millenials.
2017-06-24T23:02:12 < englishman> agree
2017-06-24T23:02:27 < branjb> how old are you?
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2017-06-24T23:03:32 < englishman> that's a rather personal question branny, i hardly know you
2017-06-24T23:03:40 < englishman> millenials are so rude
2017-06-24T23:03:44 < branjb> what are you a women?
2017-06-24T23:03:56 < jadew> millenials are the worst
2017-06-24T23:04:23 < Steffanx> No gurls in irc.
2017-06-24T23:04:36 < branjb> i've never heard a man care about age
2017-06-24T23:04:38 < branjb> just women
2017-06-24T23:04:55 < Steffanx> englishman is a complicated guy.. that's it.
2017-06-24T23:05:08 < jadew> I cared, when I was 17 and was trying to date a 23 yo
2017-06-24T23:05:25 < jadew> told her after we hook up
2017-06-24T23:05:50 < Steffanx> Biggest mistake of your life.. except for joining ##stm32 ?
2017-06-24T23:05:59 < Thorn> <jadew> now I'm 45 and still trying to date a 23 yo
2017-06-24T23:06:23 < jadew> wouldn't call it a mistake, but it was a dull relationship
2017-06-24T23:06:50 < jadew> always felt like I wasn't getting enough out of it
2017-06-24T23:06:58 < jadew> Thorn, I'm 32
2017-06-24T23:08:08 < jadew> at this age, women all ages are fair game
2017-06-24T23:08:12 < jadew> if you're not married
2017-06-24T23:16:26 < zyp> yeah, same shit as here
2017-06-24T23:17:02 < zyp> you can't get a security clearance for yourself, an entity that requires it must request it on your behalf
2017-06-24T23:17:25 < branjb> what if you start your own one man company and win a contract requiring TS?
2017-06-24T23:18:04 < zyp> your client would then probably have to initiate the process
2017-06-24T23:18:42 < englishman> yes let's give this missile contract to lockheed-branjb
2017-06-24T23:18:44 < englishman> said noone ever
2017-06-24T23:19:20 < zyp> when I were unemployed I applied for some positions that required a security clearance
2017-06-24T23:21:11 < zyp> didn't get it though, there were 144 applicants and the two they selected was a guy that was already employed in a different divising and a guy with 15 years of experience in the military
2017-06-24T23:21:32 < zyp> which is probably good, I like my current job
2017-06-24T23:21:34  * Laurenceb__ used to work in security clearancedjob
2017-06-24T23:21:49 < Laurenceb__> funtimes, had to email MI6 contact dude
2017-06-24T23:22:31 < Steffanx> How did YOU manage to get a clearance?
2017-06-24T23:22:40 < Steffanx> was that pre-4chan&co?
2017-06-24T23:22:41 < Laurenceb__> lel
2017-06-24T23:22:58 < Laurenceb__> selling missile shit to ppls
2017-06-24T23:23:20 < Laurenceb__> used to get emails from weird tv companies
2017-06-24T23:23:23 < zyp> the one I mentioned were in the police
2017-06-24T23:23:30 < aandrew> Steffanx: married at 22: I was idealistic. She was definitely not the right girl for me and I thought I knew everything. She's not a bad person, just not the right one for me
2017-06-24T23:23:35 < zyp> «section for electronic evidence» or something like that
2017-06-24T23:23:39 < Laurenceb__> turned out actually it was Iranian air force :P
2017-06-24T23:24:36 < aandrew> Steffanx: between divorcing her and my current wife, I had one of those reckless who gives a fuck relationships that was never going to go anywhere but I was kind of self destructive I guess. She knocked herself up on purpose to try to "capture" me. Didn't work, but I don't run away from my responsibilities
2017-06-24T23:25:06 < aandrew> Steffanx: 2nd wife I've been married to for 10 years. she's the right one. we are well matched
2017-06-24T23:25:10 < branjb> capture you?
2017-06-24T23:25:11 < Laurenceb__> its an everyone talks about their life screw ups day on stm32
2017-06-24T23:25:13 < branjb> like a pokemon?
2017-06-24T23:25:31 < branjb> i'm competing against 22 year olds for jobs and losing
2017-06-24T23:25:31 < branjb> lel
2017-06-24T23:25:36 < Laurenceb__> my worst screw up was the time I fucked a Hungarian grrrl from tindr
2017-06-24T23:25:43  * Laurenceb__ voms
2017-06-24T23:25:44 < aandrew> branjb: those connectors look like some variant of a Hirose connector
2017-06-24T23:25:56 < aandrew> 2.54mm though is awfully big for Hirose
2017-06-24T23:26:01 < Steffanx> hah, ok. Im glad it worked out well aandrew :)
2017-06-24T23:26:06 < branjb> maybe it's not 2.54mm, i was eye balling it
2017-06-24T23:26:15 < ReadError> My pecker is too big ;(
2017-06-24T23:27:00 < branjb> i just want to figure out what connectors i need for this smoothieboard knockoff
2017-06-24T23:27:03 < Laurenceb__> derp http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/moonspike/moonspike-the-worlds-first-crowdfunded-moon-rocket/
2017-06-24T23:27:06 < branjb> i can't read chinese
2017-06-24T23:27:11 < ReadError> uhh
2017-06-24T23:27:14 < ReadError> i think i have one
2017-06-24T23:27:19 < ReadError> which board?
2017-06-24T23:27:21 < zyp> branjb, mks sbase?
2017-06-24T23:27:24 < ReadError> ya that
2017-06-24T23:27:24 < branjb> yeah
2017-06-24T23:27:24 < zyp> isn't that XH?
2017-06-24T23:27:27 < branjb> is it xh?
2017-06-24T23:27:35 < ReadError> JST-XH
2017-06-24T23:27:46 < aandrew> branjb: yeah you know. she was trailer park girl I had a house and good job and future. she wanted to catch that ride
2017-06-24T23:27:48 < branjb> if you ever want to trigger someone, go into #smoothieware and ask a question about mks sbase
2017-06-24T23:27:54 < ReadError> lewl
2017-06-24T23:27:55 < ReadError> well
2017-06-24T23:28:01 < ReadError> they are better than the original
2017-06-24T23:28:23 < branjb> smoothieware is really good motion control firmware, but the dev community is more autistic than 4chan
2017-06-24T23:29:09 < Steffanx> hah, you and jpa- can have a nice talk about that.. during a beer
2017-06-24T23:29:34 < rajkosto> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/23/windows_10_leak/ oooh can we use this to port win10 to stm32 ?
2017-06-24T23:30:12 < Laurenceb__> lul
2017-06-24T23:30:27 < Laurenceb__> someone wrote dos emulator for stm32already iirc?
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2017-06-24T23:30:40 < Laurenceb__> stupid thinkpad space bar glitch
2017-06-24T23:30:42 < Laurenceb__> reeeeee
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2017-06-24T23:31:14 < ReadError> its all the cummies 💦  💦  💦  💦  in your keyboard
2017-06-24T23:31:29 < Laurenceb__> accurate
2017-06-24T23:31:46 < rajkosto> give me your cummies, sky daddy
2017-06-24T23:31:49 < Laurenceb__> also the touchpad is dissolving
2017-06-24T23:32:28 < Laurenceb__> so much fail on lenovo shit
2017-06-24T23:32:43 < ReadError> sounds like user error, to me
2017-06-24T23:34:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.156.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2017-06-24T23:34:27 < Laurenceb__> obviously cleaning cummies with concentrated bleach is a bad idea
2017-06-24T23:34:45 < englishman> ReadError: englishman'd
2017-06-24T23:35:11 < ReadError> wat
2017-06-24T23:35:18 < Laurenceb__> branjb: wait ur driving stepper motors with embedded lunix?
2017-06-24T23:35:21 < englishman> 3:57 PM <englishman> bran, jst-XH?
2017-06-24T23:35:29 < Laurenceb__> and it actually works O_o ?
2017-06-24T23:35:32 < englishman> but of course he doesnt listen
2017-06-24T23:35:36 < ReadError> oh god damnit
2017-06-24T23:35:40 < ReadError> he double axin ?
2017-06-24T23:35:43 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-24T23:35:53 < englishman> good luck with the job hunt, MILLENIAL
2017-06-24T23:36:34 < Laurenceb__> I am still waiting for the D E S I G N A T E D job interview
2017-06-24T23:36:50 < ReadError> ya buttercup snowflake fgt
2017-06-24T23:36:53 < Laurenceb__>  "we will email you in 1 week"
2017-06-24T23:37:23 < Laurenceb__> I ring them after four weeks, "yeah we have a lot of delays, come back in a month or two"
2017-06-24T23:37:47 < Laurenceb__> looks like jerbs here http://www.parabolicarc.com/2017/06/23/orbex-reveals-rocket-factory/
2017-06-24T23:38:00 < Laurenceb__> inb4 bankruptcy
2017-06-24T23:38:43 < ReadError> looks like a scam
2017-06-24T23:39:03 < ReadError> "dev under wraps" = we dont have shit
2017-06-24T23:39:41 < Laurenceb__> no shit sherlock
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2017-06-24T23:41:44 < Steffanx> (repost) spotted Laurenceb__ while doing his construction work: http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/9515eaa4_VID_20170623_WA0001.mp4.mp4.mp4
2017-06-24T23:41:45 < ReadErr> BIRABELLE YOU ARE BABY BAAAAA
2017-06-24T23:41:45 < ReadErr> NO NO NO MIRABELLE
2017-06-24T23:41:45 < ReadErr> borrie el
2017-06-24T23:42:19 < Laurenceb__> .mp4.mp4
2017-06-24T23:43:11 < Steffanx> Stop mentioning that, must be some inside joke no one understands
2017-06-24T23:43:57 < ReadErr> ya wtf is .mp4.mp4
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2017-06-24T23:49:26 < rajkosto> they upload a mp4
2017-06-24T23:49:30 < rajkosto> the server adds another mp4
2017-06-24T23:49:33 < rajkosto> no mystery
2017-06-24T23:49:42 < rajkosto> or, he has file extensions hidden in explorer, but really wants it to be mp4
2017-06-24T23:49:44 < rajkosto> so he just keeps adding them
2017-06-24T23:50:44 < Steffanx> it's 3 times btw
2017-06-24T23:51:26 < jadew> maybe the 3rd time he thought he disabled "hide extensions for known file types"
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2017-06-24T23:52:05 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for the server admin that has to manage the videos by hand using windows.
2017-06-24T23:54:06 < Steffanx> Where you Kalsarikännit yesterday kakimir? Or today maybe?
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2017-06-25T00:04:31 < rajkosto> The price of ether fell to as low as 10 cents on one exchange, and the wider cryptocurrency community is still in shock.
2017-06-25T00:04:36 < rajkosto> >2017
2017-06-25T00:04:43 < rajkosto> >still investing in bubbles
2017-06-25T00:05:21 < ReadErr> crypto is silly
2017-06-25T00:05:28 < ReadErr> people getting back in to mining w/ gpus
2017-06-25T00:05:33 < ReadErr> buttcoins...
2017-06-25T00:05:42 < ReadErr> not mining buttcoins
2017-06-25T00:06:00 < ReadErr> but the idea that some currency or something
2017-06-25T00:06:04 < ReadErr> just comes out of air
2017-06-25T00:06:13 < ReadErr> and is worth something?
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2017-06-25T00:07:05 < rajkosto> the thing is ether isnt even currency like BTC
2017-06-25T00:07:32 < rajkosto> its just magical "computation juice" for a computer that has the power of a 4-banger
2017-06-25T00:12:40 < ReadErr> yea but the idea that it has value and as much as it does
2017-06-25T00:12:46 < ReadErr> is beyond stupid
2017-06-25T00:12:56 < ReadErr> i know value is what people make it to be
2017-06-25T00:12:59 < rajkosto> its so unstable because the market cap is so low
2017-06-25T00:13:01 < ReadErr> but still
2017-06-25T00:13:07 < rajkosto> and at any speculative change
2017-06-25T00:13:12 < rajkosto> people just freak out and sell
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2017-06-25T00:24:05 < jadew> I'm considering starting my own coin
2017-06-25T00:24:12 < jadew> "the coin"
2017-06-25T00:24:34 < jadew> I'll make one coin, give half to the public for $500 million
2017-06-25T00:24:36 < ReadErr> NotaScam
2017-06-25T00:24:38 < jadew> and I'll keep the other half
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2017-06-25T00:24:55 < jadew> and the trick is that it's infinitely divisable
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2017-06-25T00:25:41 < jadew> so even if someone buys most of the half coin, you can still have a currency with the bits that are left
2017-06-25T00:26:41 < jadew> perfect plan and I'd still have half a coin, with little effort
2017-06-25T00:27:10 < jadew> cuz that's how money are made right? whoever invents the currency gets to give himself a huge portion of all the money
2017-06-25T00:27:35 < ReadErr> pretty sure
2017-06-25T00:27:35 < jadew> bitcoin is stupid
2017-06-25T00:27:46 < jadew> you know why?
2017-06-25T00:27:50 < jadew> it's not backed by anything
2017-06-25T00:27:50 < Drino> dont know the voltage
2017-06-25T00:28:12 < jadew> in the past money used to be backed by gold
2017-06-25T00:28:26 < jadew> so you could take it to the bank and get gold instead
2017-06-25T00:28:32 < jadew> now it's backed by governments
2017-06-25T00:28:38 < jadew> so they make sure you can still buy gold with it
2017-06-25T00:28:42 < jadew> bitcoin?
2017-06-25T00:28:49 < jadew> you can't get back electricity from it
2017-06-25T00:28:58 < jadew> if it starts going to shit, it goes to shit
2017-06-25T00:29:55 < rajkosto> its making graphics cards stupidly expensive
2017-06-25T00:30:52 < jadew> it has nothing that makes it a viable currency, except that people are using it to trade with it, but it's so volatile it's silly to use it for anything other than very short transactions
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2017-06-25T00:41:19 < Laurenceb__> how bitcoin formed
2017-06-25T00:45:20 < karlp> gold backing was nothing to do with consumers going to banks and choosing to get gold.
2017-06-25T00:45:28 < karlp> what sort nonsense are you talking about?
2017-06-25T00:45:54 < karlp> it's about whether institutions could trust government printing
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2017-06-25T01:31:50 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a063496.pdf
2017-06-25T01:31:54 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2017-06-25T01:44:56 < branjb> buttcoin
2017-06-25T01:45:00 < Drino> apparently buttcoin
2017-06-25T01:52:49 < karlp> Laurenceb__: is there anything in particular in that document we're meant to be laughing at?
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2017-06-25T02:01:17 < crt> It's digital
2017-06-25T02:01:21 < karlp> how come this has never been on our list of sot23-5 cheap LDOs? https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/toshiba-semiconductor-and-storage/TCR2EF33,LM(CT/TCR2EF33LM(CTCT-ND/4503328
2017-06-25T02:02:20 < crt> Cool
2017-06-25T02:02:28 < crt> It's actually a brand
2017-06-25T02:02:30 < Drino> the brand
2017-06-25T02:02:54 < Laurenceb__> karlp: it's basically a risk assessment for a nuclear weapon system
2017-06-25T02:03:17 < Thorn> >Voltage - Input  Up to 5.5V
2017-06-25T02:03:24 < crt> Hi Laurence
2017-06-25T02:04:52 < karlp> Thorn: sure, but in our list in zypsnips, there's quire a few that are 5.5 or 6vmax.
2017-06-25T02:06:10 < Thorn> true
2017-06-25T02:06:17 < karlp> well, ok, sure, mic5504 is still only 10c in singles.
2017-06-25T02:06:19 < Thorn> lds3985 u\is up to 6
2017-06-25T02:06:27 < Drino> neoden uses oshfuck fucked up reason
2017-06-25T02:06:28 < karlp> so... still not a lot of win.
2017-06-25T02:06:34 < karlp> claims to be very low noise in output though
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2017-06-25T02:25:40 < Laurenceb__> attn crt https://archive.fo/b6Kyg
2017-06-25T02:25:44 < Drino> this ^ attn upgrdman
2017-06-25T02:26:50 < invzim> allreet, fpga will now speak to me
2017-06-25T02:26:54 < Drino> he speak chinese?
2017-06-25T02:27:12 < invzim> jtag, which is the common language :)
2017-06-25T02:27:19 < Drino> official language will be very good
2017-06-25T02:27:24 < crt> Hi Laurenceb__
2017-06-25T02:28:04 < invzim> actually relieved, two reflow cycles + hot air removal and refit
2017-06-25T02:28:19 < crt> Idk what that means Laurenceb__
2017-06-25T02:29:11 < Laurenceb__> I was secure in the fact that when I go to bed at night, I might have to worry about Obama and Clinton, but I did not have to worry about Zombies. At least I didn’t....
2017-06-25T02:31:03 < ReadError> looks like someone reads 4CHAN
2017-06-25T02:40:32 < aandrew> one does not simply read 4chan
2017-06-25T02:40:41 < Drino> to avoid abuse simply by being in javascript
2017-06-25T02:40:42 < ReadError> he lives it
2017-06-25T02:44:04 < Laurenceb__> 8chan dude
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2017-06-25T02:45:22 < Laurenceb__> https://tinyurl.com/yavuf7hh
2017-06-25T02:48:29 < ReadError> not clicking
2017-06-25T03:00:34 < dongs> karlp: does it have same pinout
2017-06-25T03:00:40 < karlp> yep
2017-06-25T03:01:31 < dongs> looks allright
2017-06-25T03:02:07 < karlp> yeah, just found it on this scope schmetic.
2017-06-25T03:02:21 < karlp> looks like lots of good stuff, terribly let down by a pic18f frontend
2017-06-25T03:02:24 < Drino> lots of current
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2017-06-25T03:03:25 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39695
2017-06-25T03:03:33 < crt> Hi
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2017-06-25T03:04:23 < crt> See you there?
2017-06-25T03:04:30 < Laurenceb__> finally found the origin of the meme
2017-06-25T03:04:49 < Laurenceb__> screenshot of that has been 4chan copypasta for years
2017-06-25T03:05:13 < crt> Oh
2017-06-25T03:05:22 < crt> The meme research
2017-06-25T03:05:31 < crt> Should be a paid job
2017-06-25T03:05:36 < Laurenceb__> yeah, looks like one of them here
2017-06-25T03:05:37 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-40383627
2017-06-25T03:06:09 < Laurenceb__> "Notice: We have pruned down our meeting group to remove members who have been inactive in the discussion for more than 2 months."
2017-06-25T03:06:24 < Laurenceb__> lul they realised they were inundated with 4chan trolls
2017-06-25T03:06:31 < crt> Lol
2017-06-25T03:07:00 < crt> The pruning
2017-06-25T03:07:24 < Laurenceb__> can I bring my son?
2017-06-25T03:07:26 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2017-06-25T03:07:39 < crt> Jesus
2017-06-25T03:07:41 < Drino> jesus fuck
2017-06-25T03:07:44 < Laurenceb__> surprised he didnt say "wifes son"
2017-06-25T03:07:49 < crt> Lol
2017-06-25T03:07:57 < Laurenceb__> obvious troll is obvious
2017-06-25T03:08:02 < crt> Cuck tales
2017-06-25T03:08:36 < ReadError> let me tell you somethin homeboy, i keil trolls
2017-06-25T03:09:11 < crt> Now let me tell you something keanu
2017-06-25T03:10:53 < branjb> finally got an interview that's not with HR
2017-06-25T03:10:56 < branjb> time to fuck it up
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2017-06-25T03:11:31 < Laurenceb__> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/JZ4I-zgD1k-YukDNf50Etw.jpg
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2017-06-25T03:11:34 < Laurenceb__> jerbssss
2017-06-25T03:14:20 < dongs> Laurenceb__: is it your /pol/ time
2017-06-25T03:14:23 < Drino> funny level: /pol/
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2017-06-25T03:27:26 < crt> Hah
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2017-06-25T04:49:29 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nQYsnDnI/9D6BFFCB-5E97-404A-B0FB-333E958EA2F1-12959-00000CE9AC2A3CC4.JPG
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2017-06-25T05:02:04 < upgrdman> good job japan  http://imgur.com/a/4S9g0
2017-06-25T05:02:38 < crt> Cool
2017-06-25T05:02:56 < crt> Got any more
2017-06-25T05:03:10 < Drino> pal got one he replaced that first and have full jtag to talk about ffc
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2017-06-25T06:31:47 < ColdKeyboard> Is there an (online?) tool that allows you to paste 8 bit array and then it "renders" an image that is represented by that byte array?
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2017-06-25T07:24:46 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: dunno about online, but imagemagick works:   convert -size 30x30 -depth 8 gray:input.raw input.png
2017-06-25T07:25:03 < ColdKeyboard> jpa-: I've found http://javl.github.io/image2cpp/
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2017-06-25T07:47:04 < ohsix> which one of you sent stroopwafel to big clive
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2017-06-25T09:51:39 < ReadError> beep boop
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2017-06-25T09:59:37 < ohsix> buh people on twitter noticed radio.garden, so months ago
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2017-06-25T10:04:14 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/OROUTBACK411/status/878850615601897472
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2017-06-25T10:43:55 < crt> The vapour from the drink warms up the waffle and melts the syrup slightly improving the taste of the stroopwafel greatly!
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2017-06-25T10:47:53 < ReadError> excuse you?
2017-06-25T10:50:13 < ReadError> gotta love the special bread of efnet autist, sayin they wouldnt do anything with https://twitter.com/AlwaysTeemo/status/875794571850108928
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2017-06-25T10:55:15 < crt> https://youtu.be/uMaQH-uh4Z4
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2017-06-25T11:05:57 < ohsix> dang, spent money this month like i had a job
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2017-06-25T11:13:40 < Steffanx> Is it really that hard to find one ohsix ?
2017-06-25T11:14:14 < Steffanx> Or is no paper really a show stopper in the us?
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2017-06-25T11:14:20 < Drino> a paki research paper for $200
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2017-06-25T11:15:25 < Steffanx> Nah Laurenceb has a few unpublished ones left :P
2017-06-25T11:16:26 < Steffanx> But i meant a diploma
2017-06-25T11:16:57 < ohsix> that's one way to read it, another is that i had money to spend
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2017-06-25T11:19:54 < ohsix> h3h why aren't people using the ad9850 for software radio hax
2017-06-25T11:21:06 < ohsix> has phase register stuff and naive reading implies it can change the output at 23mhz
2017-06-25T11:21:29 < crt> Better hax o6
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2017-06-25T11:23:36 < ohsix> some people have, nice
2017-06-25T11:25:07 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RF-signal-source-AD9959-signal-generator-four-channel-DDS-module-performance-is-far-more-than-AD9854/32759710048.html
2017-06-25T11:27:21 < ohsix> most of the dds stuff on ali have rf connectors
2017-06-25T11:32:47 < ohsix> hrm there's stroopwaffel liqueur
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2017-06-25T11:36:15 < ohsix> https://www.stroopwafelworld.com/en/stroopwafel-likeur-large.html
2017-06-25T11:36:22 < ohsix> waffle world yo
2017-06-25T11:36:26 < Drino> the world cheered as
2017-06-25T11:36:44 < ohsix> https://static.webshopapp.com/shops/171695/files/083666600/dutch-stroopwafels.jpg their image map is cute
2017-06-25T11:45:55 < ohsix> harr you can spend point things on waffles to make the site free leech for everyone on it for 24h, that's p. cute
2017-06-25T11:48:56 < crt> Kanjers is a typical Dutch word, it means something really positive, this stroopwafels do exist since 1995. They are famous because of the duo package.
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2017-06-25T11:52:32 < ohsix> huh, dirtypcbs makes cables now
2017-06-25T11:52:47 < ohsix> http://hackaday.com/2017/06/25/dirty-now-does-cables/
2017-06-25T11:52:51 < crt> dirtycables
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2017-06-25T11:56:08 < ohsix> there'
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2017-06-25T11:56:25 < ohsix> s some picoblade & jst in their connector options
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2017-06-25T11:57:03 < ohsix> prices are p. good
2017-06-25T12:08:34 < ReadError> http://dirtypcbs.com/store/reverse_engineeringlol
2017-06-25T12:08:36 < ReadError> http://dirtypcbs.com/store/reverse_engineering lol
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2017-06-25T12:13:22 < ohsix> nice
2017-06-25T12:14:48 < ohsix> i've seen artifacts on clonez and stuff that could be explained by that
2017-06-25T12:14:58 < ohsix> cloning by scanner/photo that is
2017-06-25T12:15:15 < ReadError> seems pretty common
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2017-06-25T12:40:09 < rajkosto> its not very useful when its for double sidded only
2017-06-25T12:40:12 < rajkosto> you could scan those yourself
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2017-06-25T13:31:23 < ReadError> rajkosto: well, its for people whos time is worth more than 75$ or w/e
2017-06-25T13:31:34 < ReadError> or they dont want to do it
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2017-06-25T14:01:03 < Steffanx> My kanjers are cheaper than on that website crt :P
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2017-06-25T14:18:35 <@Steffanx> Just tell me when you fixed your connection.
2017-06-25T14:18:43 < Drino> last connection to start splitting it up
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2017-06-25T15:04:48 < Steffanx> So dongs went public for his cable service? Dirty cables ..
2017-06-25T15:05:57 < Steffanx> *with his
2017-06-25T15:06:05 < Drino> output of his budget for prototype pcb
2017-06-25T15:09:45 < Steffanx> Who are you Drino? You seem new but also seem to be familiar with ##stm32 talk.
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2017-06-25T16:13:06 < kakimir> hello pump
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2017-06-25T16:28:20 < Steffanx> How was Kalsarikännit, kakimir ?
2017-06-25T16:31:24 < kakimir> it was not
2017-06-25T16:31:30 < kakimir> it was nakukännit
2017-06-25T16:31:46 < kakimir> Housut pois! Housut pois!
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2017-06-25T16:32:18 < kakimir> oh not really. only ladies stripped
2017-06-25T16:32:36 < kakimir> guys stayed civilized
2017-06-25T16:32:38 < Drino> he stayed
2017-06-25T16:34:47 < kakimir> outside fireplace and music is magic
2017-06-25T16:34:59 < Drino> is old as shit magic dick got 4 lanes of this cube trash
2017-06-25T16:35:01 < kakimir> with some relaxing substances
2017-06-25T16:35:03 < Steffanx> And suomi vodka
2017-06-25T16:35:06 < Drino> write some garbage in vm
2017-06-25T16:36:04 < kakimir> someone said this is like caveman level party. guys sitting around and chicks shaking on raised surface next to fire
2017-06-25T16:37:19 < kakimir> really simple formula
2017-06-25T16:37:23 < kakimir> that works
2017-06-25T16:42:41 < kakimir> anyone done neural networks on C?
2017-06-25T16:42:48 < kakimir> and on embedded platforms?
2017-06-25T16:43:05 < kakimir> in means of automatic optimization of process?
2017-06-25T16:43:10 < kakimir> and prediction
2017-06-25T16:43:25 < kakimir> adjusting 2-5parameters
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2017-06-25T17:02:22 < englishman> http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-edition-1.4175086/boston-is-doing-horrific-things-to-poutine-warns-magazine-writer-1.4175106
2017-06-25T17:07:41 < kakimir> recommend a bluetooth handsfree headsett?
2017-06-25T17:08:09 < kakimir> I have had it with chinashit "copies" of real ones
2017-06-25T17:08:10 < ReadError> I dont, they look quite gay
2017-06-25T17:08:15 < Drino> the chinashit i have to use hal
2017-06-25T17:08:31 < ReadError> stm32 hal, groce
2017-06-25T17:08:37 < kakimir> that is what I mean ReadError
2017-06-25T17:08:44 < kakimir> recommends something not so gay
2017-06-25T17:08:56 < ReadError> for music or talkin
2017-06-25T17:09:39 < kakimir> talking
2017-06-25T17:09:51 < kakimir> I don't mind if it's even a stereo headset
2017-06-25T17:09:54 < kakimir> and ok for musics
2017-06-25T17:09:59 < kakimir> it must be robbust
2017-06-25T17:10:03 < kakimir> for working
2017-06-25T17:10:19 < ReadError> maybe some apple AIRPODS
2017-06-25T17:12:05 < kakimir> no thanks
2017-06-25T17:13:45 < kakimir> I said non-gay
2017-06-25T17:15:29 < englishman> i get whatever is cheapest on amazon.ca
2017-06-25T17:15:33 < englishman> because its all the same shit
2017-06-25T17:15:56 < englishman> as long as it comes from amazon warehouse
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2017-06-25T17:17:22 < Steffanx> They are only gay because you/they say they are. Since when you care about the "general" opinion?
2017-06-25T17:17:24 < Drino> my opinion
2017-06-25T17:17:25 < Steffanx> mr kakimir
2017-06-25T17:17:35 < kakimir> it's gay
2017-06-25T17:17:42 < Steffanx> They are only gay because you/they say they are. Since when you care about the "general" opinion?
2017-06-25T17:17:45 < Drino> my opinion matters
2017-06-25T17:18:31 < kakimir> I don't use apple
2017-06-25T17:19:01 < Steffanx> Not really Drino.
2017-06-25T17:19:36 < kakimir> it does
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2017-06-25T17:19:48 < kakimir> 2vs1
2017-06-25T17:20:17 < BrainDamage> I just use in-ear earplugs, if you run the cable under your shirt there's no risk of accidents
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2017-06-25T17:21:00 < kakimir> it's white and shiny and extra expensive especially _when_ you lose one
2017-06-25T17:21:11 < kakimir> no work proof
2017-06-25T17:21:15 < Drino> as proof of concept
2017-06-25T17:21:16 < kakimir> therefore gay
2017-06-25T17:21:31 < Steffanx> You are gay.
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2017-06-25T17:21:44 < Steffanx> I dont say you should but them though :P
2017-06-25T17:21:44 < kakimir> TBD Steffanx
2017-06-25T17:21:59 < BrainDamage> he's finnish, he can't be gay, they are all sad and gray
2017-06-25T17:22:06 < Steffanx> -r
2017-06-25T17:22:41 < Steffanx> I wonder if BrainDamage has long hair and is considered sexy.
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2017-06-25T17:24:09 < BrainDamage> I used to have long hair when I was playing in a rock band 10 years ago, but I'm not good looking nor homosexual if that's what you're asking
2017-06-25T17:25:34 < Steffanx> nah.
2017-06-25T17:25:34 < Drino> nah
2017-06-25T17:25:39 < Steffanx> damn.
2017-06-25T17:25:39 < Drino> damn
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2017-06-25T17:27:46 < Steffanx> Bot much.
2017-06-25T17:35:49 < kakimir> avast has breaked in my browser
2017-06-25T17:36:03 < kakimir> seems that my email sends that checked by avast shit
2017-06-25T17:37:13 < Steffanx> Does it add messages to your emails kakimir?
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2017-06-25T17:42:16 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-25T17:42:22 < kakimir> secret messages
2017-06-25T17:42:30 < kakimir> get avast
2017-06-25T17:42:30 < Drino> avast
2017-06-25T17:42:40 < Drino> to that yes, just /msg ohsix directly? thank you for hundreds of kakimir and call it a requirement on any modern airline
2017-06-25T17:43:29 < kakimir> is he crt or what Steffanx ?
2017-06-25T17:43:58 < Steffanx> ReadError: stop your bot please.
2017-06-25T17:44:01 < Drino> budget : 30$
2017-06-25T17:44:22 < Steffanx> Its a bot based dongs.
2017-06-25T17:44:32 < Steffanx> *dongs based bot
2017-06-25T17:45:07 < kakimir> can we
2017-06-25T17:45:13 < kakimir> kb
2017-06-25T17:45:18 < Steffanx> Yes we can.
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2017-06-25T17:46:00 <@kakimir> goodbye
2017-06-25T17:46:01 < branjb> see, walls do work
2017-06-25T17:46:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o kakimir] by ChanServ
2017-06-25T17:46:30 < Steffanx> Wut? Walls branjb?
2017-06-25T17:46:59 < branjb> Drino was banned from ##stm32 country
2017-06-25T17:47:28 < Steffanx> Its just a bot by ReadError (i think)
2017-06-25T17:48:28 < Steffanx> "Budget : 30$" only one person who said that in the entire history of ##stm32: dongs.
2017-06-25T17:50:07 < ReadError>  <Drino> funny level: /pol/
2017-06-25T17:50:11 < ReadError> does seem like a dongs
2017-06-25T17:50:50 < Thorn> jobs that AI will replace in the next 5 years: dongs
2017-06-25T17:51:04 < kakimir> that is Laurenceb ReadError
2017-06-25T17:51:07 < ReadError>  <Drino> neoden uses oshfuck fucked up reason
2017-06-25T17:51:19 < ReadError> kakimir: Laurenceb wouldnt say that
2017-06-25T17:51:19 < kakimir> that is dongs
2017-06-25T17:51:40 < Steffanx> Like i said. its a dongs based bot. It combines senteces of him ;)
2017-06-25T17:51:41 < ReadError> since he thinks /pol/ is hilarious
2017-06-25T17:51:49 < Steffanx> and ReadError knows that
2017-06-25T17:51:58 < ReadError> i know nothing !
2017-06-25T17:52:00 < branjb> pol is hilarious
2017-06-25T17:52:55 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for you.
2017-06-25T17:53:14 < Steffanx> Only you would do a bot like that ReadError.
2017-06-25T17:53:39 < branjb> don't take things so seriously
2017-06-25T17:54:09 < Steffanx> I hardly do. I just feel sorry for you.
2017-06-25T17:55:19 < branjb> me too
2017-06-25T17:55:22 < ReadError> branjb: do you call all 'MSM' 'fakenews' too?
2017-06-25T17:55:57 < Steffanx> do i want to ask what MSM is?
2017-06-25T17:55:58 < branjb> only when stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB4RelW5M-c surfaces
2017-06-25T17:56:04 < ReadError> main stream media
2017-06-25T17:56:08 < ReadError> its one of the TLA's they use
2017-06-25T17:56:13 < ReadError> 'they' = trumpist
2017-06-25T17:56:55 < ReadError> uh thats not fake news thats more creating something visual
2017-06-25T17:57:03 < branjb> i got a hot plate for $38, this beats soldering with hot air in every way
2017-06-25T17:57:13 < ReadError> to tell the narrative
2017-06-25T17:57:27 < ReadError> if you notice, theres like 50 crews there
2017-06-25T17:57:32 < Steffanx> It's creating content. That's unfair as well.
2017-06-25T17:57:54 < ReadError> but its not deceitful
2017-06-25T17:58:02 < ReadError> not trying to push any agenda
2017-06-25T17:58:26 < ReadError> a reporter standing in an empty street would be boring
2017-06-25T17:59:11 < branjb> what about http://imgur.com/a/c1RnG ?
2017-06-25T17:59:17 < Steffanx> I read about it, but didnt care enough to look into it. Where did those people come from?
2017-06-25T18:00:09 < ReadError> what the fuck am i even looking at?
2017-06-25T18:01:29 < ReadError> them making corrections?
2017-06-25T18:02:01 < ReadError> funny, it takes lawsuits for alex jones to correct his obscene bullshit
2017-06-25T18:02:06 < ReadError> pizzagate is real man!!!
2017-06-25T18:04:05 < ReadError> @realDonaldTrump> Hillary Clinton colluded with the Democratic Party in order to beat Crazy Bernie Sanders. Is she allowed to so collude? Unfair to Bernie!
2017-06-25T18:04:07 < branjb> alex jones is a shill
2017-06-25T18:04:23 < ReadError> complaining bitch alert @realDonaldTrump
2017-06-25T18:04:40 < ReadError> #sosad #pathetic
2017-06-25T18:05:24 < Steffanx>  /topic
2017-06-25T18:05:43 < branjb> off topic question: if i have an inductive probe that is npn, doesn't that mean that when it is not active the output floats, and when it is active it pulls to ground?
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2017-06-25T18:05:51 < ReadError> I thought the extra '#' denoted offtopicness
2017-06-25T18:06:09 < Steffanx> offtopic is good, but trump on the other hand
2017-06-25T18:06:33 < ReadError> ya he needs to choke n die
2017-06-25T18:06:37 < ReadError> anyways
2017-06-25T18:08:58 < Steffanx> Sounds like it branjb.
2017-06-25T18:09:36 < branjb> these shitty reprap guides are telling me I need a voltage divider on the output
2017-06-25T18:09:55 < branjb> shouldn't matter if it floats and pulls to ground
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2017-06-25T18:14:32 < Laurenceb__> wtf I don't even know what reality I'm in any more
2017-06-25T18:14:34 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP_3L8CcFQ8
2017-06-25T18:14:54 < Laurenceb__>   > Rebel media went SJW
2017-06-25T18:15:18 < Laurenceb__>  >  Lacie Green supports Trump
2017-06-25T18:16:44 < Laurenceb__> yet more evidence president Trump is some sort of bizarre performance art project
2017-06-25T18:17:02 < kakimir> certainly there is something wrong
2017-06-25T18:17:24 < kakimir> tell me when you figure it out
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2017-06-25T18:33:02 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/Y9ul99e
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2017-06-25T18:39:28 < Laurenceb__> illuminati confirmed? https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/800585692.jpg?w=748&h=498&crop=1
2017-06-25T18:39:58 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/md3Wf
2017-06-25T18:40:50 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: not at all
2017-06-25T18:55:32 < Laurenceb__> wew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gaets4OjhE
2017-06-25T19:02:39 < kakimir> tl;dw
2017-06-25T19:02:45 < kakimir> what did he say now?
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2017-06-25T19:14:01 < _unreal_> hello
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2017-06-25T19:44:46 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/TRlLLNlALL/status/878478606904815616
2017-06-25T19:44:53 < ReadError> me irl later
2017-06-25T19:48:09 < branjb> you're old
2017-06-25T19:48:43 < ReadError> hence the 'later'
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2017-06-25T19:48:56 < branjb> like later today or like later this century
2017-06-25T19:49:12 < ReadError> TBD
2017-06-25T19:49:37 < Steffanx> You would drive suck fugly car ReadError?
2017-06-25T19:50:15 < ReadError> maybe
2017-06-25T19:50:59 < ReadError> who am i to judge tho
2017-06-25T19:51:27 < Steffanx> You are ReadError
2017-06-25T19:54:00 < ReadError> that oldman gettin it in
2017-06-25T19:54:36 < branjb> it's alive http://imgur.com/a/md3Wf
2017-06-25T19:54:43 < branjb> err
2017-06-25T19:54:52 < branjb> https://goo.gl/photos/8KD6WdbmUemTZQJg8
2017-06-25T19:55:07 < Steffanx> can you send me such fidget thingy?
2017-06-25T19:55:13 < branjb> sure
2017-06-25T19:55:14 < ReadError> noooo
2017-06-25T19:55:18 < ReadError> those cause autism Steffanx
2017-06-25T19:55:19 < ReadError> dont
2017-06-25T19:55:40 < Steffanx> but, i want a fidget thingy for man.
2017-06-25T19:55:47 < Steffanx> *men
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2017-06-25T20:05:12 < englishman> ive seen a couple fidget spinners with actual bullets embedded
2017-06-25T20:05:14 < englishman> for some reason
2017-06-25T20:05:18 < englishman> (guessing usa)
2017-06-25T20:08:10 < branjb> USA
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2017-06-25T20:46:00 < Thorn> Iridium-2 Launch Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tIwZg8F9b8
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2017-06-25T21:46:47 < rajkosto> grabcad
2017-06-25T21:47:31 < Steffanx> 3dcontentcentral doesnt look down to me
2017-06-25T21:49:01 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://gfycat.com/IcyFastAfricanpiedkingfisher
2017-06-25T21:50:10 < upgrdman> ya
2017-06-25T21:50:20 < rajkosto> title says minsk
2017-06-25T21:50:31 < Steffanx> TaHK is russian for tank? Such unoriginal.
2017-06-25T21:50:40 < rajkosto> if you transliterate
2017-06-25T21:50:43 < rajkosto> its actually TANK
2017-06-25T21:50:46 < rajkosto> very unoriginal
2017-06-25T21:53:46 < rajkosto> https://grabcad.com/library/tssop-20-pin-thin-shrink-small-outline-1 ?
2017-06-25T21:54:46 < rajkosto> blame KiCAD for not them being step
2017-06-25T21:54:53 < rajkosto> it uses normal triangle meshes not parametric stuff like step
2017-06-25T21:55:02 < branjb> why does kicad use the shittiest possible 3D model format
2017-06-25T21:55:30 < rajkosto> https://grabcad.com/library/tssop-20-1 ?
2017-06-25T21:55:59 < rajkosto> https://grabcad.com/library/soic-package-wide-14-16-18-20-24-and-28-pins-1 ?
2017-06-25T21:56:07 < rajkosto> find it yourself this is what happens
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2017-06-25T21:57:41 < Steffanx> Altium just makes the 3d model for you when you use the foot print tooly.
2017-06-25T21:57:55 < Steffanx> *generation tooly
2017-06-25T21:59:13 < Thorn> http://www.worldtaekwondo.org/wtf-rebrands-to-world-taekwondo/
2017-06-25T22:01:11 < rajkosto> R2COM, how the fuck doesnt it work ? https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-25_21-01-07.png
2017-06-25T22:01:50 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-06-25_21-01-50.png
2017-06-25T22:03:07 < englishman> lol
2017-06-25T22:07:58 < branjb> Laurenceb__: http://www.sundayregister.com/tragedy-popular-jav-actress-drowns-filming-bukkake-scene-tokyo/
2017-06-25T22:08:32 < upgrdman> china  http://i.imgur.com/7PtDJ7X.gifv
2017-06-25T22:08:53 < rajkosto> branjb, well now i know which video i need to find
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2017-06-25T22:12:26 < Steffanx> is this why dongs is missing?
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2017-06-25T22:17:11 < branjb> https://i.redd.it/k7h2mdwras5z.gif
2017-06-25T22:17:49 < englishman> hi branjb
2017-06-25T22:17:57 < englishman> did you know we already have one designated reddit shitposter?
2017-06-25T22:18:11 < englishman> chan quality drops significantly during these periods
2017-06-25T22:18:18 < branjb> lol
2017-06-25T22:18:56 < englishman> maybe you can join your millenial pal upgrdman on snoonet and post your garbage there
2017-06-25T22:19:15 < branjb> what's on snoonet?
2017-06-25T22:21:37 < englishman> are you really asking me to punch a word into google and give you the result?
2017-06-25T22:21:40 < englishman> lazy millenials
2017-06-25T22:22:14 < branjb> o
2017-06-25T22:22:16 < branjb> reddit irc
2017-06-25T22:23:59 < kakimir> I wonder if I should go to commercial pilot school
2017-06-25T22:24:11 < kakimir> 15k cost for training
2017-06-25T22:24:51 < branjb> do you like penis jokes?
2017-06-25T22:25:09 < kakimir> something to do, something to relate to, buddies, aviation profe... what
2017-06-25T22:25:24 < branjb> every pilot i've ever known just talks about dicks and boxes all day
2017-06-25T22:25:33 < kakimir> jet pilots?
2017-06-25T22:25:55 < branjb> jet pilots, professional pilots, helicoper pilots, prop pilots
2017-06-25T22:26:09 < Steffanx> Those were us airforce probably.
2017-06-25T22:26:13 < kakimir> oh
2017-06-25T22:26:18 < Steffanx> oh not.
2017-06-25T22:26:41 < kakimir> what is about boxes?
2017-06-25T22:26:50 < branjb> try it some time, say head or shaft or box near a pilot
2017-06-25T22:26:52 < branjb> they'll smirk
2017-06-25T22:27:23 < kakimir> box
2017-06-25T22:27:34 < kakimir> can you explain?
2017-06-25T22:27:41 < branjb> it means vagina in pilot
2017-06-25T22:27:59 < kakimir> that requires some imagination
2017-06-25T22:28:07 < kakimir> and edgyness maybe
2017-06-25T22:28:13 < Steffanx> Will you ever get hired as a commercial pilot kakimir? Mental issues can be a problem...
2017-06-25T22:28:26 < kakimir> I will pass
2017-06-25T22:28:45 < Steffanx> Dont crash the aeroplane in a mountain..
2017-06-25T22:29:12 < kakimir> why would I
2017-06-25T22:29:21 < kakimir> I love to fly and hate to crash
2017-06-25T22:30:03 < Steffanx> Its a bad reference to this pilot with, supposily mental issues, that crash the aeroplane on a mountain.
2017-06-25T22:30:10 < Steffanx> *crashed
2017-06-25T22:30:22 < rajkosto> captain kirk is climbing a mountain, why is he climbing a mountain ?!
2017-06-25T22:30:37 < englishman> 15k for commercial license, ha
2017-06-25T22:30:40 < englishman> while true
2017-06-25T22:30:54 < englishman> that does not include the 3000 hours needed before any airline will even open your resume.pdf
2017-06-25T22:30:54 < kakimir> you need a reference?
2017-06-25T22:31:02 < kakimir> no
2017-06-25T22:31:05 < englishman> so get used to teaching
2017-06-25T22:31:32 < kakimir> but still it's just a few years of flying in crazy places or whatever
2017-06-25T22:31:32 < englishman> then flying tiny planes for $12/day for a couple years
2017-06-25T22:31:48 < kakimir> it would be interesting
2017-06-25T22:31:57 < kakimir> 12dollars a day what?
2017-06-25T22:32:44 < englishman> i highly advise researching your desired career path
2017-06-25T22:32:46 < Steffanx> in EU you get paid in euros..
2017-06-25T22:33:24 < kakimir> still 15k.. price of PPL here
2017-06-25T22:33:36 < Steffanx> > postman.. englishman?
2017-06-25T22:33:47 < kakimir> while gov pays rent and some study moneys
2017-06-25T22:34:09 < englishman> even once you get your commercial license and 3000 hours, now you can compete for jobs with mil pilots with 15,000 hours, and a pension already locked down
2017-06-25T22:34:15 < englishman> and zero debt
2017-06-25T22:34:29 < englishman> ppl for $15k yes
2017-06-25T22:34:39 < englishman> but that is nothing even close to commercial
2017-06-25T22:36:33 < kakimir> 15k for CPL
2017-06-25T22:36:44 < kakimir> it is CPL
2017-06-25T22:37:02 < englishman> that's quite amazingly cheap
2017-06-25T22:37:21 < englishman> does that include 200 hours in a piston plane
2017-06-25T22:37:42 < kakimir> 200hours total in multiple planes mainly piston
2017-06-25T22:37:55 < kakimir> starting from 182 all way to phenom 100
2017-06-25T22:39:56 < kakimir> it's not that students pay all the costs but finnish aviation business to provide pilots when needed
2017-06-25T22:40:26 < englishman> that's quite a different career path than stm32 pro
2017-06-25T22:41:45 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-25T22:43:24 < kakimir> I still have time before the school would start
2017-06-25T22:43:52 < kakimir> and if I don't feel like flying I just pay the loan
2017-06-25T22:44:06 < kakimir> *flying as a profession
2017-06-25T22:45:10 < kakimir> keep the CPL
2017-06-25T22:45:40 < kakimir> typical finnish student story, go to multiple schools, work on something totally else
2017-06-25T22:45:46 < Steffanx> Oh i see it "only" costs 15k euro in dutchland as well, but im not sure if that includes all costs.
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2017-06-25T22:47:33 < kakimir> this school is "profession school for adults" or something like it so gov pays
2017-06-25T22:47:47 < kakimir> same as every other school here
2017-06-25T22:47:53 < kakimir> and unis
2017-06-25T22:48:46 < kakimir> real cost must be something like 100-150
2017-06-25T22:50:00 < kakimir> not that much different from tech uni student
2017-06-25T22:52:04 < kakimir> I wonder how much flying my CPL requires to not be void
2017-06-25T22:52:09 < kakimir> in year
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2017-06-25T22:55:55 < englishman> Make a guess on how many Finns will drown this midsummer night and you might win a prize!
2017-06-25T22:56:37 < kakimir> today?
2017-06-25T22:57:03 < kakimir> or did you mean the midsummer festivities two days ago?
2017-06-25T22:57:12 < englishman> two days ago yes
2017-06-25T22:57:34 < kakimir> I heard it in radio but do not remember
2017-06-25T22:57:40 < kakimir> 7?
2017-06-25T22:57:49 < kakimir> once there was like 20
2017-06-25T22:57:53 < englishman> nice
2017-06-25T22:58:13 < kakimir> Steffanx: make a guess
2017-06-25T23:07:39 < Thorn> https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/06/24/iridium-next-mission-2-mission-status-center/
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2017-06-25T23:10:39 < Thorn> webcast started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tIwZg8F9b8
2017-06-25T23:25:01 < englishman> 30 seconds to boom
2017-06-25T23:25:26 < Steffanx> I dont guess
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2017-06-25T23:33:22 < englishman> nice
2017-06-25T23:33:49 < branjb> you haven't truly lived till you've picked a PCB up off a hot plate, dropped it, and had molten hot smd components jump all over your arm
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2017-06-25T23:35:09 < rajkosto> WASTED
2017-06-25T23:36:44 < Thorn> I'm pretty sure that is not how you reflow
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2017-06-25T23:59:00 < kakimir> #amateur32
2017-06-25T23:59:16 < kakimir> until it happends to me
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2017-06-26T00:12:33 < branjb> i didn't even touch the hot part
2017-06-26T00:12:37 < branjb> was just lazy and dropped it
2017-06-26T00:13:56 < kakimir> englishman: I was right. 7
2017-06-26T00:14:18 < kakimir> let's add hashtag lazyness
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2017-06-26T00:40:09 < tpw_rules> i can't get stm32L0 adc working
2017-06-26T00:40:22 < zyp> have you tried turning it on?
2017-06-26T00:40:32 < tpw_rules> i can calibrate it and turn it on but when i put in my channel and hit adstart, EOC never happens
2017-06-26T00:40:43 < zyp> are you sure it's on?
2017-06-26T00:40:49 < tpw_rules> i both get EOCAL and ADRDY
2017-06-26T00:40:53 < tpw_rules> those are both 1
2017-06-26T00:40:56 < tpw_rules> so i imagine?
2017-06-26T00:41:16 < tpw_rules> ADEN is set
2017-06-26T00:41:29 < ohsix> French fitness model Rebecca Burger was killed on June 18 in a freak accident reportedly involving an exploding whipped cream dispenser.
2017-06-26T00:41:43 < ohsix> oops didn't expect stm32 chats, sry
2017-06-26T00:41:47 < tpw_rules> lol
2017-06-26T00:41:52 < tpw_rules> it's aight, i know that's off topic
2017-06-26T00:42:15 < zyp> tpw_rules, looks like ADC is always clocked from HSI16, is HSI16 running?
2017-06-26T00:42:27 < tpw_rules> did i forget to turn on a clock or something? it's running from PCLK and yes the main cpu is running from HSI16
2017-06-26T00:42:37 < zyp> you sure?
2017-06-26T00:43:11 < tpw_rules> that's what RCC->CFGR says
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2017-06-26T00:45:34 < crt> Chimpout
2017-06-26T00:45:34 < zyp> what does CFGR read?
2017-06-26T00:45:43 < tpw_rules> 101b
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2017-06-26T00:45:57 < zyp> hmm, okay
2017-06-26T00:46:17 < tpw_rules> wait hm
2017-06-26T00:46:26 < karlp> there's a few weird bits with the enable stuff, and getting all the clocks right.
2017-06-26T00:46:33 < tpw_rules> so after the adc is turned on i want to update the oversampling stuff in CFGR2
2017-06-26T00:46:50 < tpw_rules> it says the high 2 bits must not be written after ADC is turned on. i'm just writing the value that is there
2017-06-26T00:47:11 < karlp> hrm, my tetss don't actually have l0 in them. I wonder whether that just didn't get committed or something
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2017-06-26T00:47:18 < tpw_rules> is that a problem? they're set to 11 then i do ADC1->CFGR2 = 0xC000009D; to update the lower bits and they turn off
2017-06-26T00:47:43 < karlp> hrm, don't have them locally either.
2017-06-26T00:47:49 < karlp> ok, don't mind me then :)
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2017-06-26T00:48:04 < zyp> tpw_rules, as long as you don't change them, it shouldn't hurt
2017-06-26T00:48:14 < tpw_rules> but they're losing their value
2017-06-26T00:48:24 < zyp> the CKMODE bits?
2017-06-26T00:48:27 < tpw_rules> yea
2017-06-26T00:48:42 < zyp> they shouldn't be
2017-06-26T00:48:47 < tpw_rules> they're 11. then i turn on the adc, calibrate it, do ADC1->CFGR2 = 0xC000009D; and they become 00
2017-06-26T00:49:35 < zyp> uh, they're rw, when it says not write, that should mean keep them what they are
2017-06-26T00:49:45 < tpw_rules> which is C in the highest octet, right
2017-06-26T00:49:49 < zyp> yes
2017-06-26T00:49:52 < tpw_rules> hm
2017-06-26T00:50:25 < tpw_rules> weird
2017-06-26T00:50:39 < zyp> what about the 0x9D; does those save?
2017-06-26T00:50:42 < tpw_rules> yes
2017-06-26T00:50:52 < tpw_rules> the register goes from 0xC0000000 to 0x9D
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2017-06-26T00:51:11 < zyp> what if you just write zero to them then?
2017-06-26T00:51:18 < zyp> might be just badly documented
2017-06-26T00:51:33 < zyp> although even so, I don't know why they would clear if you write them to 1
2017-06-26T00:52:09 < zyp> it doesn't make sense to me, and when something doesn't make sense, it usually means I don't have the full picture
2017-06-26T00:52:21 < zyp> so there's probably something else going on somewhere
2017-06-26T00:52:21 < crt> Chimpout
2017-06-26T00:52:30 < tpw_rules> i mean it's a very small file. i'll send it to you once i test
2017-06-26T00:53:48 < zyp> I could have taken a look if you did that, but it's almost midnight so I don't really have time now
2017-06-26T00:54:21 < zyp> and ADC problems aren't that fun to debug, I like USB problems much more :)
2017-06-26T00:54:59 < tpw_rules> alright. if i just set CKMODE before i turn it on, everything works and i do not get oversampling, as expected. if i set ADC1->CFGR2 = 0xC000009D; after turnon (and CKMODE before turn on), CKMODE clears and ADC hangs. if i ADC1->CFGR2 = 0x9D; after turnon, CKMODE clears and ADC hangs. if i ADC1->CFGR2 = 0xC000009D; before turn on, everything works with oversampling
2017-06-26T00:55:07 < karlp> tpw_rules: adc vreg enabled?
2017-06-26T00:55:29 < tpw_rules> where works = i get the value i'm expecting from DR after EOC happens
2017-06-26T00:56:47 < karlp> are those hex magic what you really want them to be?
2017-06-26T00:56:54 < tpw_rules> what do you mean
2017-06-26T00:57:12 < tpw_rules> they decode to the correct values, yes. i was too lazy to do all the ORing and bit shifting to build them from real names
2017-06-26T00:57:12 < zyp> karlp, they look reasonable vs the register definition
2017-06-26T00:57:32 < tpw_rules> and like i tested, when i set CFGR2 to that before I start the ADC, everything works how i expect
2017-06-26T00:57:36 < zyp> tpw_rules, you'll hate yourself for that later
2017-06-26T00:57:48 < karlp> ah, so _we're_ mean tot just know what those magic nums are, and trust that you got them right.
2017-06-26T00:57:52 < tpw_rules> well this so far is an adc hello world
2017-06-26T00:57:59 < karlp> thanks, I'll happily redecode them for you just to see what's going on.
2017-06-26T00:58:05 < zyp> I hate my old code from before I started writing stuff like CFGR2 = (3 << 30) | …
2017-06-26T00:58:23 < phr3ak> I'm trying to create one mpu region for the whole address space but my code fails after mpu enabled. hard fault. can anyone tell me what can be the problem? rbar: 10, rasr: 300ff3f
2017-06-26T00:58:36 < karlp> maybe the MPU protected you?
2017-06-26T00:59:43 < tpw_rules> the header files don't even define useful constants
2017-06-26T00:59:57 < tpw_rules> maybe i'm looking in the wrong one
2017-06-26T01:00:08 < phr3ak> the mpu region defines an executable region with full rw rights
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2017-06-26T01:00:57 < zyp> phr3ak, a 512B large region?
2017-06-26T01:01:19 < zyp> no, wait, I'm mixing up
2017-06-26T01:01:42 < tpw_rules> ADC1->CFGR2 = ADC_CFGR2_CKMODE_Msk | (7 << ADC_CFGR2_OVSS_Pos) | ADC_CFGR2_OVSE; <-- karlp
2017-06-26T01:02:49 < zyp> phr3ak, are you disabling all subregions?
2017-06-26T01:03:19 < tpw_rules> am i wrong or does the header file not have multibit definitions
2017-06-26T01:03:29 < phr3ak> I don't know what is that so this is why I disabled it.
2017-06-26T01:03:33 < tpw_rules> i should be able to put something like OVSS_256x instead of 7
2017-06-26T01:03:59 < zyp> phr3ak, your region is divided into eight subregions, you disabled all eight subregions, leaving nothing
2017-06-26T01:04:13 < tpw_rules> karlp: https://pastebin.com/N9XN09Kg even with context now
2017-06-26T01:04:15 < karlp> tpw_rules: so, what'ðs the actual problem now then?
2017-06-26T01:04:25 < zyp> phr3ak, so that rule covers no area
2017-06-26T01:04:27 < tpw_rules> if i write to CFGR2 it locks up the ADC
2017-06-26T01:04:31 < karlp> you started with adc not working, now you seem to be oversampling not working.
2017-06-26T01:04:40 < tpw_rules> (after the ADC has been enabled)
2017-06-26T01:04:42 < phr3ak> ok I try with enabled regions
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2017-06-26T01:06:05 < phr3ak> cool
2017-06-26T01:06:07 < phr3ak> thanks!
2017-06-26T01:06:40 < zyp> phr3ak, I'm not sure your memory type configuration makes too much sense either
2017-06-26T01:07:40 < zyp> well, it has to be conservative since it covers both peripheral registers and everything
2017-06-26T01:08:00 < tpw_rules> karlp: if i set clock, turn on adc, and set oversample mode, the adc locks up. if i set clock, set oversample mode, and turn on adc, it works
2017-06-26T01:08:38 < zyp> but you're limiting the efficiency of pipelining and stuff when you declare everything to be strongly ordered, I believe
2017-06-26T01:11:47 < tpw_rules> zyp: can you just glance at the code
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2017-06-26T01:16:37 < tpw_rules> yeah just doing ADC1->CFGR2 = ADC1->CFGR2 clears the CKMODE bits and locks up the ADC
2017-06-26T01:17:03 < tpw_rules> do i need to like drop into asm and do a 16 bit store
2017-06-26T01:17:10 < tpw_rules> (that doesn't even work on the ARM bus does it)
2017-06-26T01:24:12 < Laurenceb__> http://www.sundayregister.com/tragedy-popular-jav-actress-drowns-filming-bukkake-scene-tokyo/
2017-06-26T01:29:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: are you addressing someone with your old link?
2017-06-26T01:30:56 < kakimir> Steffanx: I think we need to vacate Laurenceb__ for a period of time for his own good
2017-06-26T01:32:57 < tpw_rules> nope, writing a half word from asm does not work
2017-06-26T01:33:41 < tpw_rules> which iirc figures from the system architecture
2017-06-26T01:33:51 < tpw_rules> but what do they want me to do. is this just a chip bug?
2017-06-26T01:38:47 < tpw_rules> it's not like this thing isn't swamped with errata already
2017-06-26T01:42:00 < tpw_rules> i'm just gonna declare it a chip bug
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2017-06-26T01:52:46 < Cerpin> Looking at some ST example code + appnotes for i2c, and noticing an odd omission
2017-06-26T01:53:18 < Cerpin> There are only master transmitter examples for polling and DMA. Is using interrupts not recommended for that configuration for some reason?
2017-06-26T01:59:27 < Laurenceb__> its possible
2017-06-26T01:59:32 < Laurenceb__> I got it working
2017-06-26T01:59:55 < Cerpin> Fair enough, I'll carry on then. WAs just curious if there was a reason not to
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2017-06-26T02:13:37 < tpw_rules> https://community.st.com/message/160920-adc-hang-on-stm32l051c8t3
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2017-06-26T03:06:19 < phr3ak> is it possible to catch mem fault with exception in irq handler? hard fault occured instead of mpu fault. from non irq handler it works well
2017-06-26T03:09:47 < phr3ak> ah  I've increased the priority value of the irq higher than the prio value of the mpu exception and it looks ok now
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2017-06-26T03:21:53 < Laurenceb__> Cerpin: if you are lazy check my github
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2017-06-26T04:21:41 < karlp> tpw_rules: I think youð're misspelling "chip bug" as "I didn't feel like reading all those pesky, "note: software is only allowed to write this bit when..." footnotes"
2017-06-26T04:21:52 < tpw_rules> karlp: did you read them?
2017-06-26T04:22:02 < karlp> did you?
2017-06-26T04:22:05 < tpw_rules> yes
2017-06-26T04:22:28 < karlp> ok then.
2017-06-26T04:22:47 < tpw_rules> it says CKMODE can't be written to unless everything is turned off. but it also says the oversample bits can be written to as long as ADSTART=0
2017-06-26T04:23:11 < tpw_rules> so i can either "not write to" CKMODE by setting it to 0, or by using the previous value. neither work
2017-06-26T04:23:33 < tpw_rules> or alternately i can't touch it at all, in which case the datasheet is lying about when i can write to the oversample config
2017-06-26T04:25:57 < tpw_rules> do you know karlp?
2017-06-26T04:26:39 < tpw_rules> i also wrote a short asm snippet to use strb on only the bits i'm interested in. but i think that's 32 bits on the bus anyway and it touches it and breaks
2017-06-26T04:28:01 < tpw_rules> like i can't tell what you are implying. did you read them and notice i'm doing it wrong?
2017-06-26T04:33:11 < _unreal_> any of you think you could help me with motor control?
2017-06-26T04:33:23 < _unreal_> I have a board with 3 of these motor controllers on it https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Allegro%20PDFs/A3936SED(-T).pdf
2017-06-26T04:34:02 < _unreal_> they are 3 phase stepping motor controllers. the motors then selfs can act like stepping motors if I power any 2 of the wires
2017-06-26T04:35:01 < _unreal_> so what I was thinking is looking at the comutation table on page 5 if I was to just drive step pulses from like an arduino instead of the hall sensors I could just step the motors.
2017-06-26T05:01:15 < sklv> _unreal_: I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but it sounds like you want to replace a sensored controller with a sensorless controller
2017-06-26T05:05:05 < _unreal_> I'm just wondering if I can drive the pulse train that the HALL sensors provide manually with a micro controller, arduino, stm etc....
2017-06-26T05:05:14 < _unreal_> treat it like an unipolar motor
2017-06-26T05:08:09 < sklv> oh you want to synthesize the hall sensor output
2017-06-26T05:09:37 < sklv> have you looked at the hall waveform on a scope?
2017-06-26T05:10:24 < sklv> i'd check what it looks like on a scope then if it looks reasonable, try it
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2017-06-26T06:23:51 < crt> crt repair
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2017-06-26T06:54:48 < dale6998> you guys still up?
2017-06-26T06:57:55 < crt> always
2017-06-26T07:04:39 < crt> writing invoice 1488
2017-06-26T07:04:46 < crt> dunno what to say....
2017-06-26T07:04:59 < dale6998> just wanted to say that this group is amazing
2017-06-26T07:05:23 < crt> ty
2017-06-26T07:05:25 < dale6998> i'm an electrical engineer and have always been afraid of C...so, I got started reluctanly on AVR's and had some luck with those
2017-06-26T07:05:35 < crt> dont give me any credit im just a pumper
2017-06-26T07:06:12 < dale6998> and I wanted to do it from the ground up, learn with gcc, vim, command line, etc...and it was fine...i did interrupts, learned about compiling/linking (via copy and paste and then tweaking as things broke/didn't work)
2017-06-26T07:06:36 < crt> lol thats just about where the fit hits the shan
2017-06-26T07:07:35 < dale6998> but this STM32 is for grown ups, man...big time!  this is way outside my comfort zone, and i have to say thanks to everyone in here who's kindly helped with my stupid questions and got me up and running
2017-06-26T07:07:58 < dale6998> so, now i've got a ws2812b driver, running in what is perhaps the most inefficient way possible!  but, running nonetheless
2017-06-26T07:08:11 < crt> gcc and cross compiler are triggers
2017-06-26T07:08:58 < dale6998> this has been very educational and very satisfying...couldn't have done it without you guys...i'm starting to like firmware more than hardware now
2017-06-26T07:09:03 < dale6998> lol...triggered!
2017-06-26T07:09:09 < dale6998> that offends me
2017-06-26T07:09:10 < dale6998> lol
2017-06-26T07:09:25 < crt> firmware is good
2017-06-26T07:16:44 < crt> tell me more about your development environment
2017-06-26T07:19:00 < englishman> cool, dale
2017-06-26T07:19:09 < englishman> welcome to the most pro irc channel
2017-06-26T07:19:17 < englishman> stm32 is for pros, after all
2017-06-26T07:19:52 < englishman> picknplaced f405 from tape all day today
2017-06-26T07:21:51 < crt> nice work
2017-06-26T07:22:16 < crt> which board are you assembling today englishman ?
2017-06-26T07:22:23 < englishman> harakiri
2017-06-26T07:25:03 < englishman> even live-streamed it for a bit
2017-06-26T07:25:26 < dale6998> hey, sorry...uh, let's see...i'm running Arch and I've got TMux going with OpenOCD in one corner, arm-gdb w/gef in the other, and vim on the top half
2017-06-26T07:26:15 < dale6998> i'm using the cube to make the base FW with all the periferals set up, although, after a few days of staring/jumping back and forth between the files, the datasheet and a blank document are seeming more like a possibility
2017-06-26T07:26:55 < dale6998> and, i've got the datasheet going on one screen, TMux on the other and a browser that seems to be stuck on stackexchange at all times
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2017-06-26T07:39:36 < crt> excellent!
2017-06-26T07:43:35 < crt> fucking cdj2000nxs day today
2017-06-26T07:43:38 < crt> got 8 of the cunts in
2017-06-26T07:55:10 < ReadError> dale6998: you are going to give dongs an aneurysm
2017-06-26T07:55:26 < ReadError> arch, tmux, openocd, arm-gdb, cube
2017-06-26T07:55:31 < ReadError> its like a perfect storm
2017-06-26T07:55:33 < upgrdman> you say that like it's a bad thing
2017-06-26T07:55:35 < ReadError> vim
2017-06-26T07:58:29 < englishman> well there isnt much good
2017-06-26T07:58:42 < englishman> the thing about starting at the bottom is the only way to go is up
2017-06-26T08:00:24 < englishman> ReadError: http://www.getfpv.com/asgard-aio-flight-controller-f4-fc-4x-25a-esc-osd-pdb-curr.html
2017-06-26T08:00:26 < englishman> gross
2017-06-26T08:00:49 < englishman> ctrl-c, ctrl-v pro
2017-06-26T08:01:06 < ReadError> fukitol, put EVERYTHING on 1 board
2017-06-26T08:01:16 < englishman> even using adafruit eagle lib
2017-06-26T08:01:28 < ReadError> because breaking everything at once was so hard before
2017-06-26T08:02:15 < englishman> the innovation i see here is the return to $90 ESCs
2017-06-26T08:02:25 < englishman> because thats what itl cost to replace one esc
2017-06-26T08:02:39 < ReadError> right
2017-06-26T08:03:30 < englishman> attn kakimir https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/savotta-hikimaja-sauna-with-stove-and-stone-rack/56047
2017-06-26T08:04:18 < ReadError> wonder how IMU deals with the heating
2017-06-26T08:07:58 < upgrdman> if i just need a comparator, is there any draw back to using an op amp?
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2017-06-26T08:38:20 < crt> opamp has some compensation for a start iirc
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2017-06-26T08:49:38 < dale6998> ;bn
2017-06-26T08:50:52 < englishman> sorry to hear that
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2017-06-26T11:01:09 < ohsix> ReadError: got some 1$ 18650 chargers and they're actually the good ones, lul http://i.imgur.com/6MwTFs4.jpg got here fast too, 11 days https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-for-18650-14500-16430-Battery-Charger-For-3-7V-Rechargeable-Batteries-Free-Shipping/32742736550.html
2017-06-26T11:01:13 < ohsix> not a dollar anymore :o
2017-06-26T11:01:35 < ohsix> if you see the embossed area on the top of the case it's probably the same make
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2017-06-26T11:08:10 < ohsix> mechanism is so legit it's kind of hard to put back together
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2017-06-26T13:55:40 < vib> Hi everyone, sorry for dummy question, i'm really new to C and STM32. I try to modify a LCD lib and i have a warning in keil. Please see : https://pastebin.com/uHfZHTnj
2017-06-26T13:56:09 < vib> i don't know if it's related to the use of "#" before the if
2017-06-26T13:58:26 < karlp> it's only a warning?
2017-06-26T13:58:49 < PaulFertser> vib: function names are case sensitive in C
2017-06-26T13:59:28 < PaulFertser> It's a compiler warning but the problem will likely surface as a link-time error too.
2017-06-26T13:59:57 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MhRDuYKL/fuck%20me%20sideways.jpg
2017-06-26T14:00:16 < karlp> got caps?
2017-06-26T14:00:19 < tpw_rules> is this some pro audio gear
2017-06-26T14:00:20 < karlp> whatsthat crt?
2017-06-26T14:00:28 < tpw_rules> what are those fans even doing
2017-06-26T14:00:30 < crt> a waste of $20,000
2017-06-26T14:00:34 < karlp> looks more like a DC supply?
2017-06-26T14:00:47 < tpw_rules> i bet it's wanky audio gear
2017-06-26T14:01:32 < tpw_rules> karlp: did you ever have any insight on the ADC? i haven't been able to figure it out. i've read and reread and seem to be doing everything correctly
2017-06-26T14:01:39 < crt> 'outline t series eleven'
2017-06-26T14:02:03 < tpw_rules> ah that's real audio gear
2017-06-26T14:03:15 < crt> http://outline.it/outline-products/amplifiers/t-eleven/
2017-06-26T14:03:19 < crt> oh god
2017-06-26T14:03:51 < vib> I had put one space more, i just deleted it
2017-06-26T14:03:56 < vib> but have another error now
2017-06-26T14:03:59 < vib> .\Objects\lcd16x2.axf: Error: L6218E: Undefined symbol lcd16X2_write_command (referred from lcd16x2.o). Not enough information to list image symbols.
2017-06-26T14:04:33 < tpw_rules> you forgot breaks in the switch as well
2017-06-26T14:04:50 < tpw_rules> but yeah, the x in that func probably has to be lowercase
2017-06-26T14:04:51 < PaulFertser> You forgot to read a C textbook...
2017-06-26T14:05:41 < vib> thank you for the break; indeed
2017-06-26T14:05:50 < vib> i will dig this error message
2017-06-26T14:06:17 < jadew> crt, what's that?
2017-06-26T14:06:21 < karlp> tpw_rules: no, went to bed. and don't actually have l0 yet in my pile of adc tests somehow. so added a TODO note and left it
2017-06-26T14:06:23 < jadew> and why so many caps?
2017-06-26T14:06:36 < crt> some crooked class-d amplifier jammed into a 1ru case
2017-06-26T14:06:55 < crt> maybe so you can light up a whole street with a 60hz sinewav4e
2017-06-26T14:07:00 < tpw_rules> karlp: alright, thanks
2017-06-26T14:07:40 < tpw_rules> only thing i see wrong with that is that the fans seem to be pointed backwards...
2017-06-26T14:07:48 < jadew> crt, doesn't seem very wide
2017-06-26T14:08:08 < karlp> audio racks arn't the same as telco racks are they?
2017-06-26T14:08:19 < jadew> oh, didn't know that
2017-06-26T14:08:20 < crt> 19" wide
2017-06-26T14:08:33 < crt> rack unit is 44mm high
2017-06-26T14:09:20 < karlp> jadew: no, I'm wrong, nvm
2017-06-26T14:09:27 < karlp> just thought i'd seen narrow racks somewhere audio related.
2017-06-26T14:09:38 < jadew> maybe they had adapter frames?
2017-06-26T14:09:49 < tpw_rules> some things come in half racks
2017-06-26T14:09:57 < tpw_rules> i've worked with microphone receivers like that
2017-06-26T14:09:58 < zyp> 19" racks are 19" racks, but there's other differences between telco racks, server racks and AV racks
2017-06-26T14:10:00 < tpw_rules> half width
2017-06-26T14:10:08 < jadew> yeah, but that amp seems wider than a half rack
2017-06-26T14:10:50 < zyp> there's also small telco shit that's 10", but that's not very common
2017-06-26T14:10:51 < tpw_rules> it's a full one
2017-06-26T14:12:05 < tpw_rules> zyp: https://community.st.com/thread/41746-adc-hang-on-stm32l051c8t3
2017-06-26T14:12:27 < zyp> tpw_rules, saw
2017-06-26T14:12:32 < tpw_rules> ah ok, thanks
2017-06-26T14:12:38 < tpw_rules> just wanted to make sure cause this is confusing me
2017-06-26T14:12:39 < zyp> doesn't really add anything until you get a reply
2017-06-26T14:12:47 < tpw_rules> well it had code attached which you mentioned
2017-06-26T14:12:57 < zyp> oh, right
2017-06-26T14:13:12 < zyp> my guess is that you've found an undocumented code errata
2017-06-26T14:13:28 < tpw_rules> that's what i was hoping to not have done...
2017-06-26T14:13:42 < karlp> I'd guess you still haven't gotten a sequence right.
2017-06-26T14:13:49 < tpw_rules> i guess it's manual oversampling, wheeee. or just turning off the adc between switching it
2017-06-26T14:13:52 < karlp> for instance "adc turn on" twice on f3 will lock up too,
2017-06-26T14:13:58 < karlp> and it's documented, just not as explicitly as that.
2017-06-26T14:15:16 < zyp> karlp, idk, unless he's overlooked something, I don't think that's likely
2017-06-26T14:16:36 < zyp> simply put: all the used bits in the register are declared as rw, so there should be no weird side effects
2017-06-26T14:17:06 < zyp> one of the fields can't be changed after the ADC is turned on, and the others can't be changed when the ADC is running
2017-06-26T14:17:34 < zyp> the RM phrases it as "can't be written"
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2017-06-26T14:18:18 < zyp> naturally to change some fields without changing the ones that can't be changed, you'll have to do a RMW, which is what he tried
2017-06-26T14:18:39 < tpw_rules> i even tried strb from asm but i'm pretty sure that's just a 32 bit RMW on the bus
2017-06-26T14:19:02 < zyp> tpw_rules has also stated that he tried reading the register and writing it right back unmodified
2017-06-26T14:19:10 < zyp> and that still ended up clearing the problematic field
2017-06-26T14:20:08 < zyp> to me, this pretty much rules out sequence errors or whatever
2017-06-26T14:20:48 < tpw_rules> everything works fine if i don't touch the register after ADC poweron. if i touch it by just doing reg = reg; it breaks
2017-06-26T14:20:49 < karlp> yeah, but I'm saying on f3, writing the same register back on itself will also cause a hang.
2017-06-26T14:21:01 < karlp> and it's "as expected" not undocumented errata.
2017-06-26T14:21:05 < Thorn> strb is an 8-bit bus access
2017-06-26T14:21:17 < tpw_rules> then how am i supposed to update the lower bits in the register?
2017-06-26T14:21:17 < zyp> karlp, expected how?
2017-06-26T14:21:26 < Thorn> ahb-lite supports 8, 16 and 32 byte access
2017-06-26T14:21:27 < karlp> you can't write the adc on bit if it's already on.
2017-06-26T14:21:30  * karlp shrugs
2017-06-26T14:21:39 < tpw_rules> this is CFGR2, not CR
2017-06-26T14:21:42 < Thorn> the peripheral that contains the register is another matter
2017-06-26T14:21:50 < zyp> karlp, this is not the adc on register
2017-06-26T14:22:05 < karlp> I'm just using it as an example of "writing hte same thing back again" isn't automatically "safe"
2017-06-26T14:22:51 < zyp> karlp, I already stated that all the fields in this register are declared as rw
2017-06-26T14:23:41 < tpw_rules> i mean is it possible i'm doing something wrong so that everything works apparently but breaks when i do that?
2017-06-26T14:23:51 < zyp> besides, tpw_rules also tried writing 0 to the bits that you're not allowed to change, and that didn't keep them at their original value either
2017-06-26T14:24:51 < zyp> tpw_rules, as long as you're certain ADSTART is still 0, leaving the other fields still writable, I see no reason why what you're doing should be wrong, according to the documentation
2017-06-26T14:42:38 < karlp> you seem to only actually be doign oversampling 2x, with a 7bit shift too, is that really what you intended?
2017-06-26T14:47:05 < dongs> hello dongs
2017-06-26T14:47:11 < dongs> zyp did your shit arrive
2017-06-26T14:47:18 < zyp> yes
2017-06-26T14:47:33 < crt> thankyou gentlemen
2017-06-26T14:47:36 < dongs> did i fuck anything up
2017-06-26T14:47:44 < zyp> haven't had time to hook up yet (and I think I've forgot to buy FFC cables anyway)
2017-06-26T14:47:52 < dongs> ok
2017-06-26T14:48:18 < zyp> but idk, the first board I unpacked seems to still have a bridge between two of the pins on the measurement chip
2017-06-26T14:48:25 < dongs> right.
2017-06-26T14:48:25 < zyp> just by looks
2017-06-26T14:48:28 < dongs> thats the one that had a bridge
2017-06-26T14:48:50 < dongs> because of your dumb pattern
2017-06-26T14:49:32 < zyp> I'm still not sure what's up with that, I still believe it's the exact same pattern as for the stm32 on the arcin
2017-06-26T14:49:40 < zyp> IIRC they were same pincount
2017-06-26T14:49:44 < dongs> no
2017-06-26T14:49:46 < dongs> thats 64pin
2017-06-26T14:49:54 < dongs> and definitely wider pins
2017-06-26T14:50:00 < dongs> rather, wider pads
2017-06-26T14:50:23 < dongs> k time to get back to work
2017-06-26T14:50:25 < dongs> bbl
2017-06-26T14:50:27 < zyp> can only guess that somehow the design rules in altium fucked up the footprint then
2017-06-26T14:50:50 < crt> protium
2017-06-26T14:51:08 < zyp> but idk, I'll take a look whenever I have time to get back to play with altium
2017-06-26T14:51:35 < zyp> right now I have a ton of other shit to do before I go on vacation next week
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2017-06-26T15:10:18 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/bxKfsKD.jpg
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2017-06-26T15:30:48 < tpw_rules> karlp: no. i apparently screwed it up converting to symbolic constants
2017-06-26T15:32:04 < karlp> (did you check whether all your other conversions are also correct?)
2017-06-26T15:32:25 < tpw_rules> that's the only one i did
2017-06-26T15:34:21 < karlp> hrm, stm32flash utility "reads" 128k flash from my 32k part.
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2017-06-26T16:07:50 < Laurenceb__> You know what really tickles my fuckin fancy? I mean an absolute knee slapper. The fact that you pig bellied, skinny armed twerps get to talk all big behind mommy's wifi.
2017-06-26T16:11:30 < crt> Lol
2017-06-26T16:11:42 < aandrew> heh
2017-06-26T16:12:06 < aandrew> my wifi brings all of /pol/ to the yard, damn right, they trollin' you hard
2017-06-26T16:12:18 < crt> K
2017-06-26T16:14:39 < Laurenceb__> nice
2017-06-26T16:16:07 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/qllVSGI
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2017-06-26T16:24:46 < crt> Wut dat
2017-06-26T16:27:14 < fest> nothing much, just a russian girl holding quaran next to a poster that celebrates victory over Germany
2017-06-26T16:27:47 < crt> Like when sega released the nigger drive?
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2017-06-26T16:33:59 < Laurenceb__> redhead-nazi-muslim-communist waifu
2017-06-26T16:34:06 < Laurenceb__> what more could you want
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2017-06-26T16:39:12 < crt> Hmm
2017-06-26T17:12:20 < englishman> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14630819
2017-06-26T17:12:32 < englishman> lunix haxors find impossible intel bug
2017-06-26T17:13:10 < sync> Laurenceb__: how good is altitude precision with RTK systems using gps/glonass?
2017-06-26T17:15:33 < Laurenceb__> I've never tried it
2017-06-26T17:15:58 < Laurenceb__> but latest ublox with EGNOS is good enough to detect my footsteps
2017-06-26T17:16:28 < Laurenceb__> i.e. if I walk along with it running at 10hz sample output there is a ripple in the raw data
2017-06-26T17:16:43 < Laurenceb__> no filtering required to see it, about +-10cm oscillation
2017-06-26T17:17:27 < Laurenceb__> I'd imagine RTK would be slightly better that that when it comes to "high frequency" noise
2017-06-26T17:17:38 < Laurenceb__> but a lot better on 1/f type drift
2017-06-26T17:18:15 < Laurenceb__> EGNOS still doesnt take out all the long term position wobble, there is still a meter or two of drift over >2 minute timescales
2017-06-26T17:18:28 < sync> well englishman and I are looking at the vbox 3i dual antenna specs
2017-06-26T17:18:51 < sync> that claim to do pitch and slip measurement with two antennas spaced 2m
2017-06-26T17:18:59 < sync> with their 100Hz RTK system
2017-06-26T17:19:01 < Laurenceb__> erm...
2017-06-26T17:19:12 < Laurenceb__> thats not going to be very accurate
2017-06-26T17:19:35 < sync> that is the question
2017-06-26T17:19:47 < Laurenceb__> but if you use it over long term (like >100s) it should be quite good for imu correction
2017-06-26T17:20:00 < Laurenceb__> I get about 3cm rms jitter at 10hz with ublox
2017-06-26T17:20:23 < Laurenceb__> so you should get milliradian over 100s
2017-06-26T17:21:53 < sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAw6PmpnEfE
2017-06-26T17:25:59 < Laurenceb__> sync: the problem is that that's just the random error
2017-06-26T17:27:13 < Laurenceb__> there is position depend phase lag on each sat
2017-06-26T17:29:19 < englishman> ah here comes laurence and his theories on why awesome working products suck
2017-06-26T17:32:25 < crt> Good morden
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2017-06-26T17:36:51 < Laurenceb__> englishman: I worked on similar system for sats
2017-06-26T17:37:19 < englishman> what i really want to know is, why is 100Hz RTK exclusive to a single motorsports company
2017-06-26T17:37:33 < englishman> like if you google "100hz rtk" they are the only result
2017-06-26T17:37:46 < englishman> even piksi claims just 20Hz
2017-06-26T17:51:19 < Laurenceb__> once you get much past 20hzit gets fairly pointless
2017-06-26T17:51:29 < Laurenceb__> as you are just picking up more noise
2017-06-26T17:52:06 < Laurenceb__> we used 50hz on sats
2017-06-26T17:52:42 < Laurenceb__> but to get good positioning we had to use an rf model of the sat to look at phase lag effects on the various antennas
2017-06-26T17:53:03 < Laurenceb__> then there was a huge lookup file that got incorporated into the position solution
2017-06-26T17:53:23 < Laurenceb__> phase lag as a function of azimuth and elevation of the sat
2017-06-26T17:54:12 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2017-06-26T17:55:09 < karlp> so you're saying 100Hz rtk is like 96khz audio then....
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2017-06-26T18:13:54 < inca> is there a way to control the state of the GPIO pins during the use of the System Memory bootloaders (e.g. USB DFU)?
2017-06-26T18:14:17 < zyp> no
2017-06-26T18:14:24 < zyp> roll your own bootloader if you need to do that
2017-06-26T18:14:58 < inca> zyp: ST has released the source code for the system memory USB DFU, iirc, right?
2017-06-26T18:15:11 < zyp> dunno, I wrote my own from scratch
2017-06-26T18:18:12 < branjb> I never understood why people wrote their own drivers from scratch until I started doing it
2017-06-26T18:18:22 < branjb> now when I use I2C it actually works
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2017-06-26T18:29:12 < englishman> inca: you can control GPIOs before bootloader however, then they remain in the same state if they are not re-used by the bootloader
2017-06-26T18:29:43 < englishman> also, im pretty sure ROM bootloader remains closed-source, but it would be interesting to look at if it was open
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2017-06-26T18:38:08 < inca> englishman: we can dump the memory region, so the assembly at least is available
2017-06-26T18:38:29 < englishman> yes
2017-06-26T18:38:30 < inca> and unfortunately, the ROM memory changes GPIO states
2017-06-26T18:38:47 < englishman> what chip?
2017-06-26T18:39:00 < englishman> on f1 it does not change them all
2017-06-26T18:39:03 < karlp> well, duh, how else would it use those gpios?
2017-06-26T18:39:08 < englishman> maybe new ones that switched to HAL....
2017-06-26T18:39:16 < karlp> it's all documented what they do in an2606 to the gpios
2017-06-26T18:39:38 < karlp> you thin kthey can use a usart to communicate with the pins still in input floating mode?
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2017-06-26T18:44:19 < inca> it's enough to turn on all the relays in this system =)
2017-06-26T18:44:26 < inca> stm32f4
2017-06-26T18:47:51 < englishman> you have all your relays connected to uart, can and usb pins?
2017-06-26T18:48:09 < inca> englishman: it resets all GPIO
2017-06-26T18:48:34 < englishman> do you jump to bootloader in software or do a power-on reset?
2017-06-26T18:48:48 < inca> jump to bootloader from software
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2017-06-26T18:52:53 < englishman> weird
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2017-06-26T18:59:35 < englishman> jesus christ fuck slack, how can anyone use that shit
2017-06-26T19:00:52 < karlp> what's wrong with it now?
2017-06-26T19:01:28 < englishman> whats the point of threads?
2017-06-26T19:01:47 < englishman> except to make conversations more difficult to follow
2017-06-26T19:03:41 < fest> englishman: maybe that's because users run out of places to hide stuff
2017-06-26T19:03:48 < englishman> time to try dicknplacing 4mm pitch 12mm tape again, hopefully these $2.5 magnetometers dont fly around the room like they did last time
2017-06-26T19:04:31 < fest> more often than not, I can't find anything that I remember was posted in slack
2017-06-26T19:04:58 < fest> because that shit searches all the public channels by default
2017-06-26T19:05:35 < fest> and there's like a 1000 of them
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2017-06-26T19:12:32 < karlp> my issues are a) admin must enable irc, so can't use irc bridge with third party slack groups you're invited to,
2017-06-26T19:12:39 < karlp> and b) they don't support older browsers at all.
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2017-06-26T19:18:37 < maunix> Hi all. anyone familiar with Lora and Nucleoboards?
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2017-06-26T19:19:13 < maunix> I would like to do some field tests and I have two nucleo and two lora boards.  Could I do a link between them without using a Gateway?
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2017-06-26T19:37:14 < englishman> karlp: my issue is also that i'm expected to reply IMMEDIATELY to every little enquiry. but i have a blocking issue ive been nagging about for 5 days now and no reply.
2017-06-26T19:37:27 < englishman> sorry guys your shit is delayed by 5 days now.
2017-06-26T19:37:37 < englishman> so fuck slack!
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2017-06-26T19:40:37 < karlp> nots ure I follow how that's a slack issue, but ok :)
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2017-06-26T20:04:51 < branjb> maunix: you can if you are just using lora and not lorawan
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2017-06-26T20:19:46 < maunix> branjb thanks. I want to do a simple test of range, and understanding the code, etc
2017-06-26T20:20:23 < maunix> would you suggest me a starting point? mbed.org seems promising but i don't have any field experience about it.
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2017-06-26T20:27:31 < branjb> are you using the semtech radio?
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2017-06-26T20:30:57 < branjb> if you are, check out http://www.airspayce.com/mikem/arduino/RadioHead/index.html you might be able to use it directly, otherwise it gives pretty good examples of minimum setup needed
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2017-06-26T21:06:44 < maunix> branjb yes, the semtech. and in st or cubemx, etc, i only find code for lorawan.
2017-06-26T21:09:02 < englishman> there is lorawan in cube?
2017-06-26T21:14:17 < maunix> englishman:  not sure. i am newbie at st platform.
2017-06-26T21:14:46 < englishman> you may have to write some code at one point.
2017-06-26T21:14:53 < englishman> stm32 is not really a copypaste kind of platform
2017-06-26T21:14:54 < maunix> can i paste lins here?
2017-06-26T21:14:56 < maunix> links here?
2017-06-26T21:15:03 < englishman> sure why couldn't you?
2017-06-26T21:15:21 < maunix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/group0/31/96/2f/3b/df/c1/40/2e/DM00300436/files/DM00300436.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00300436.pdf
2017-06-26T21:15:48 < maunix> englishman:  i don't know, some channels are banned if pasting links. suspected of spam, etc.
2017-06-26T21:15:58 < englishman> those channels probably suck
2017-06-26T21:16:01 < maunix> i am just asking because as I said, I'm new here.
2017-06-26T21:16:41 < maunix> englishman:  i come from microchip ecosystem, they have also a automatic code generator and it isn't also a 'copy paste platform' ....
2017-06-26T21:17:07 < englishman> well i just got started with lora myself, about a week ago
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2017-06-26T21:17:09 < maunix> i am aware of the difficulties of these kind of things, but there are some samples on several fields that just run.
2017-06-26T21:17:29 < englishman> it was just about 2 hours from a compiling software project and working spi to get lora tx/rx working
2017-06-26T21:17:46 < maunix> englishman: we should make a stm32loranewbies channel :)
2017-06-26T21:17:48 < englishman> though this lib seems interesting
2017-06-26T21:19:20 < englishman> actually i think i will add this to my project
2017-06-26T21:19:31 < maunix> i'll take a look for sure. the only drawback is that i have little spare time. this is a personal project , not a work project.
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2017-06-26T21:37:16 < Laurenceb__> The adventures of Christ-chan is an ongoing /pol/ comic project about /pol/ waifus featuring Christ-chan. 30 chapters and counting. Started in June 2015.
2017-06-26T21:47:07 < ReadError> hey Laurenceb__
2017-06-26T21:47:09 < ReadError> no1curr
2017-06-26T21:57:50 < invzim> hm, board bringup stuff
2017-06-26T21:57:52 < invzim> halt works
2017-06-26T21:57:56 < invzim> (openocd)
2017-06-26T21:58:12 < invzim> reset halt does not
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2017-06-26T22:37:40 < Cerpin> Another thing I'm curious about...
2017-06-26T22:38:06 < Cerpin> Why does the I2C module require a read of the SR2 register to clear addr? Is it just to check that you successfully went into master mode?
2017-06-26T22:38:10 < Cerpin> Or err
2017-06-26T22:38:48 < Cerpin> Whatever mode your application requires, I guess. That's the only pertinent thing I can see there if you're not using SMBUS
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2017-06-26T23:07:29 < Thorn> >9800 mAh https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4pcs-lot-High-Quality-9800mAh-3-7V-18650-Lithium-ion-batteries-Rechargeable-Battery-For-Flashlight-Torch/32721821788.html
2017-06-26T23:12:17 < Thorn> >Real capacity is about 0.7 - 0.9 Ah 3.7 V (not 9.8).
2017-06-26T23:30:15 < emeryth> no shit
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2017-06-26T23:47:59 < zyp> haha
2017-06-26T23:50:01 < invzim> hm, the stm32 clone programmer off ebay doesn't do anything on the reset pin?!
2017-06-26T23:50:29 < zyp> should it?
2017-06-26T23:51:17 < invzim> I was kind of hoping it would :)
2017-06-26T23:51:29 < zyp> my programmer won't touch the reset pin unless I explicitly instruct it to, and so far I've never had to
2017-06-26T23:51:54 < invzim> using openocd?
2017-06-26T23:51:55 < Thorn> stm32 can be reset via jtag/swd
2017-06-26T23:52:07 < Thorn> which is what your programmer probably does
2017-06-26T23:52:10 < zyp> cortex-m in general can
2017-06-26T23:52:12 < invzim> I think the scripts that come with openocd tries to do it via the pin
2017-06-26T23:52:28 < zyp> debugger normally writes the SYSRESETREQ bit to trigger a hardware reset
2017-06-26T23:53:05 < zyp> you only need the reset line if you need to recover from situations where swd is unresponsive, i.e. chip stuck in sleepmode
2017-06-26T23:53:22 < invzim> hey, I just want to get debug working :)
2017-06-26T23:54:10 < zyp> then you should probably work on that and don't worry about features you don't need
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2017-06-26T23:55:05 < invzim> yeah, that's what I'm doing
2017-06-26T23:55:14 < invzim> eclipse/openocd & friends
--- Day changed Tue Jun 27 2017
2017-06-27T00:04:55 < invzim> yay, works
2017-06-27T00:05:28 < invzim> on to the next error
2017-06-27T00:07:26 < invzim> and blinking lights :)
2017-06-27T00:24:49 < englishman> There's a turkey in the garden
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2017-06-27T00:26:44 < Thorn> release the cats
2017-06-27T00:30:30 < Steffanx> Chick in the barn, englishman
2017-06-27T00:31:35 < Steffanx> Bird in the sky
2017-06-27T00:31:46 < Steffanx> Did you shoot it?
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2017-06-27T01:18:48 < Thorn> >2016 New Excellent Quality 360 Degree 500W Microwave Smart Motion Sensor
2017-06-27T01:18:56 < Thorn> >500W Microwave
2017-06-27T01:26:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUjUxRWVfY0YyOXM/view?usp=sharing innovations
2017-06-27T01:26:53 < kakimir> there is very much engineering in it
2017-06-27T01:26:59 < kakimir> on the fly
2017-06-27T01:27:05 < kakimir> and everything works
2017-06-27T01:27:09 < kakimir> first try
2017-06-27T01:27:22 < kakimir> that is how I roll
2017-06-27T01:28:08 < Laurenceb__>  /pol/ : a bunch of edgy, angsty, flat Earth believing American teenagers LARPing as Nazis and pagans. Most threads consist of little else than people going "fuck off kike shill" back and forth
2017-06-27T01:28:11 < Laurenceb__> ED delivers
2017-06-27T01:30:07 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/QSsAvoi
2017-06-27T01:31:08 < kakimir> I see progressivism works
2017-06-27T01:31:14 < kakimir> swedes were right
2017-06-27T01:32:08 < Laurenceb__> what is that video?
2017-06-27T01:34:05 < kakimir> guess
2017-06-27T01:34:26 < Laurenceb__> some sort of water tank?
2017-06-27T01:35:53 < kakimir> I try to make up something perverted but it's a water tank
2017-06-27T01:38:37 < englishman> Steffanx: i did not, it ran away
2017-06-27T01:38:47 < englishman> even though it was a female, i could have, we are allowed to kill nuisance animals
2017-06-27T01:39:05 < englishman> but id rather just shoo it away so it can have little turkey babies for next year
2017-06-27T01:39:17 < dongs> sup faggots. just done 1hr of biking, how many words per minute did o6 spew into the channel meanwhile
2017-06-27T01:40:29 < dongs> kikemir what the fuck is that, a toilet drain plug?
2017-06-27T01:40:38 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-27T01:40:50 < kakimir> when I shit - I shit
2017-06-27T01:41:03 < kakimir> takes 200litres to flush
2017-06-27T01:41:35 < englishman> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/LaqK27D.jpg?1
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2017-06-27T01:53:14 < englishman> kakimir, easy sauna solution https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/savotta-hikimaja-sauna-with-stove-and-stone-rack/56047
2017-06-27T01:54:27 < BrainDamage> ah yes, I always need my sauna when camping
2017-06-27T01:55:14 < dongs> englishman: that looks liek shit, tent lol
2017-06-27T01:55:27 < dongs> englishman: get finlandia sauna at least its proper wood
2017-06-27T01:55:33 < crt> THIS IS CHUCK
2017-06-27T01:55:44 < englishman> sauna project is for next year
2017-06-27T01:56:05 < dongs> i've had one in every alaska house I built, prety good stuff
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2017-06-27T01:56:29 < Rob235> oi
2017-06-27T01:56:37 < kakimir> there are bigger ones too englishman
2017-06-27T01:56:40 < kakimir> with seats
2017-06-27T01:56:44 < kakimir> higher seats
2017-06-27T01:56:49 < englishman> hm its a kit
2017-06-27T01:56:57 < dongs> what is?
2017-06-27T01:57:04 < englishman> finlandia
2017-06-27T01:57:06 < dongs> finlandia thing? yeah you just get wood + stuff and put together
2017-06-27T01:57:11 < dongs> heater etc
2017-06-27T01:57:26 < englishman> yeah, something like that
2017-06-27T01:57:34 < englishman> will be the plan
2017-06-27T01:58:07 < kakimir> you should not really make or buy a tent sauna
2017-06-27T01:58:32 < englishman> yeah just linking all the silly stuff on this site
2017-06-27T01:58:41 < dongs> ya tent sauna sounds retarded
2017-06-27T01:59:32 < kakimir> if you are doing wintertime camping or other stuff long way from nearest sauna then it's an option
2017-06-27T02:01:25 < BrainDamage> is having a sauna so much compelling that you'd pack 10kg of shit when you go camping exclusively for it?
2017-06-27T02:02:24 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NLeunQvc/4845355D-7415-4B15-B95E-2B2C7CE56815-12502-00000C528BB5FA77.JPG
2017-06-27T02:02:50 < BrainDamage> it's fucking tuesday
2017-06-27T02:03:01 < BrainDamage> also, more pumping: https://i.imgur.com/efFVV09.mp4
2017-06-27T02:03:03 < crt> Somewhere in the world
2017-06-27T02:08:31 < englishman> poutine time
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2017-06-27T02:55:56 < kakimir> BrainDamage: yes
2017-06-27T02:57:08 < kakimir> it's mandatory
2017-06-27T02:57:23 < kakimir> so usually you don't need a tent
2017-06-27T02:57:37 < kakimir> you can point any place on map and there will be build sauna
2017-06-27T02:59:16 < kakimir> at higher density than telecom towers
2017-06-27T03:19:04 < Thorn> I didn't know Canada had a totalitarian episode in 1970 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071949/
2017-06-27T03:29:29 < kakimir> when canadian civilian rigths were violated last time
2017-06-27T03:39:25 < kakimir> got to like them
2017-06-27T03:40:23  * kakimir sends fistpumps to englishman 
2017-06-27T03:41:58 < englishman> Thorn: yeah, it was a Big Deal, and that is current prime minister's dad that did it
2017-06-27T03:42:12 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUq9b1XTa0
2017-06-27T03:42:16 < kakimir> in usa that is daily business
2017-06-27T03:42:39 < englishman> look at that stupid fuck squirm
2017-06-27T03:42:42 < englishman> his son is no different
2017-06-27T03:44:29 < Thorn> so USA is not alone with Bushes and Clintons and Dulleses
2017-06-27T03:44:50 < englishman> trudeau was prime minister for a very long time and did do some good stuff
2017-06-27T03:44:58 < englishman> like, our current medical system was created under him
2017-06-27T03:45:06 < kakimir> englishman: are they still in politics?
2017-06-27T03:45:26 < englishman> who?
2017-06-27T03:45:39 < englishman> trudeau sr. is dead
2017-06-27T03:46:12 < kakimir> who jailed people
2017-06-27T03:46:24 < kakimir> illegally
2017-06-27T03:46:41 < englishman> cops are still around, yes
2017-06-27T03:46:43 < englishman> cops everywhere
2017-06-27T03:46:54 < englishman> still retarded
2017-06-27T03:47:14 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_G20_Toronto_summit_protests
2017-06-27T03:47:37 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Quebec_student_protests
2017-06-27T03:51:50 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with wavelets? how do they compare to an FFT? slower to compute?
2017-06-27T03:54:03 < kakimir> well they jail leftists anyway
2017-06-27T03:54:11 < kakimir> at least here
2017-06-27T03:54:12 < crt> Cops
2017-06-27T03:54:20 < kakimir> in protests
2017-06-27T03:54:21 < dongs> whats a leftist, fapping with left hand????????????
2017-06-27T03:54:25 < crt> I'd like to learn wavelet
2017-06-27T03:56:59 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2AIjYV4x/image.PNG
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2017-06-27T05:03:17 < upgrdman> found R2COM's bunker   https://i.redd.it/n8vq6w68706z.jpg
2017-06-27T05:05:22 < dongs> motherfucker
2017-06-27T05:05:28 < dongs> keepout shit in 17.1 is so FUCKED GOD DAMN
2017-06-27T05:05:41 < dongs> englishman: have you found a way to turn a fucking dxf outline into pcb borders
2017-06-27T05:05:43 < dongs> what teh FUCK
2017-06-27T05:05:50 < englishman> haha
2017-06-27T05:05:51 < englishman> yeah man
2017-06-27T05:06:00 < dongs> like what teh ACTUAL FUCK
2017-06-27T05:06:06 < dongs> why have a MENU to convert primitives to keepfuckingouts
2017-06-27T05:06:08 < dongs> IF IT DOESNT WORK
2017-06-27T05:06:13 < englishman> call your sales bro and fucking flip out
2017-06-27T05:06:22 < dongs> either that or I'm missing some retarded fucking workflow that had to be invented for 17.1
2017-06-27T05:06:26 < dongs> yea seriously considering
2017-06-27T05:06:28 < dongs> fucking kikes
2017-06-27T05:06:39 < englishman> i told one guy who wanted a step model - sorry no i cant do that, bug in my software
2017-06-27T05:06:47 < dongs> whats fucked with step now?
2017-06-27T05:06:51 < dongs> i ahvent noticed anything failing yet
2017-06-27T05:06:58 < englishman> how you going to do a 3d export with no pcb outline?
2017-06-27T05:07:09 < englishman> itd just be components floating in space
2017-06-27T05:07:12 < dongs> well, im gonna get this fucking thing outlined
2017-06-27T05:07:15 < dongs> one way or anotyher
2017-06-27T05:07:27 < dongs> currently rage-trying fuckign everytrhing
2017-06-27T05:07:37 < englishman> retracing by hand, in 2017, such pro soft
2017-06-27T05:09:47 < dongs> we should haev all switched to kikecad
2017-06-27T05:09:49 < dongs> like BRO2COM
2017-06-27T05:10:02 < dongs> he calls it "orcad" just to sound cool with the coolboys
2017-06-27T05:10:13 < dongs> but hes currently recompiling kikecad-HEAD from git
2017-06-27T05:10:17 < dongs> to get that latest new feature
2017-06-27T05:10:22 < dongs> called "being able to fucking use it"
2017-06-27T05:11:07 < englishman> judging from the chats of people trying to help him and undoubtedly being called faggots, i think hes trying to switch to altidumb
2017-06-27T05:11:15 < dongs> haah
2017-06-27T05:12:11 < englishman> sold all the boards i assembled yesterday
2017-06-27T05:12:12 < englishman> fml
2017-06-27T05:12:14 < englishman> gotta do more
2017-06-27T05:12:58 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/documentation/17.1/display/ADES/((Defining+the+Board+Shape))_AD#!DefiningtheBoardShape-ImportinganOutlinetoUsefortheBoardShape
2017-06-27T05:13:01 < dongs> oaky lets FUCKING S EE
2017-06-27T05:13:19 < englishman> nice url
2017-06-27T05:14:23 < dongs> this is same
2017-06-27T05:14:27 < dongs> and this works
2017-06-27T05:14:33 < dongs> the problem is getting fucking keepout objects out of it
2017-06-27T05:15:31 < dongs> so fukcing much time is spent explaining about rigidflex crap
2017-06-27T05:15:34 < dongs> and i bet fucking nobody uses it
2017-06-27T05:15:38 < dongs> bendable boards/whatever teh fuck
2017-06-27T05:15:58 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/documentation/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/274441/3Dmovie.gif
2017-06-27T05:16:58 < dongs> Arcs can be placed as layer-specific keepout objects to act, for example, as routing barriers. Objects defined as keepouts are ignored by output operations, such as photo plotting and printing. A keepout arc is simply an arc object with its Keepout property enabled. Either place a standard arc and then enable this property, or use the predefined keepout arc placement commands, available from the Place » Keepout sub-menu
2017-06-27T05:17:04 < dongs> OH EXCEPT IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK
2017-06-27T05:17:11 < dongs> click keepout on existing object = get fukd
2017-06-27T05:19:48 < dongs> search in altidumb wiki is beyond worthelss
2017-06-27T05:20:15 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/documentation/17.1/display/ADES/NFS_17_1((Additional+Enhancements+and+Improvements))_AD#!AdditionalEnhancementsandImprovements-ConverttoKeepoutCommandMovedtoToolMenu
2017-06-27T05:22:46 < dongs> OMFG
2017-06-27T05:22:47 < dongs> englishman: i got it
2017-06-27T05:23:01 < dongs> holy fucking lol @ retarded altidumb bugs
2017-06-27T05:24:17 < dongs> ya
2017-06-27T05:24:23 < dongs> fuck yes.
2017-06-27T05:26:45 < englishman> im making a ridgidflex
2017-06-27T05:26:53 < englishman> whats the fix?
2017-06-27T05:26:56 < dongs> ok so
2017-06-27T05:27:06 < dongs> the outline must be on a routing layer
2017-06-27T05:27:08 < dongs> i.e. top or bottom
2017-06-27T05:27:09 < dongs> and
2017-06-27T05:27:17 < dongs> then you select it, convert to keepouts (that actualyl works)
2017-06-27T05:27:22 < englishman> wat.
2017-06-27T05:27:24 < dongs> then KEEP IT SELECTED (cuz you can no longer tab it)
2017-06-27T05:27:32 < dongs> and change it from top only keepout to "all layers"
2017-06-27T05:27:32 < dongs> yes
2017-06-27T05:27:51 < englishman> this is just for outline right
2017-06-27T05:27:56 < dongs> or cutouts or etc
2017-06-27T05:27:56 < dongs> yes
2017-06-27T05:28:01 < englishman> oh cutout too
2017-06-27T05:28:18 < dongs> the usual select->DSD works for board outline making, but that doesn't make a .GKO layer for it, which is the steps above for
2017-06-27T05:28:23 < dongs> same thing for board cutout
2017-06-27T05:28:25 < dongs> import dxf
2017-06-27T05:28:31 < dongs> move to top layer
2017-06-27T05:28:39 < dongs> select, define board cutout
2017-06-27T05:28:44 < dongs> select, convert to keepout
2017-06-27T05:28:52 < dongs> keep selected, make it all layers keepout
2017-06-27T05:28:52 < dongs> done
2017-06-27T05:29:12 < dongs> retarded but: works, so fuckit wahtever
2017-06-27T05:31:09 < dongs> anyway the key to getting this working is it had to be on routing laer
2017-06-27T05:31:11 < dongs> how i found it is
2017-06-27T05:31:16 < englishman> where is this "all layers"
2017-06-27T05:31:16 < dongs> i was going to go ahead and fucking re-trace the outline
2017-06-27T05:31:31 < dongs> pcb insmpector
2017-06-27T05:31:38 < dongs> once the outline shit is selected
2017-06-27T05:31:48 < dongs> restriceted for layers: top/bottom/all
2017-06-27T05:31:50 < dongs> so change to all
2017-06-27T05:32:09 < dongs> and I have +/- bound to mousse buttons to switch layers right
2017-06-27T05:32:12 < englishman> in the board outline view?
2017-06-27T05:32:15 < dongs> no
2017-06-27T05:32:19 < dongs> regular 2 view
2017-06-27T05:32:26 < englishman> dont have it
2017-06-27T05:32:34 < englishman> and the keepout checkbox is greyed
2017-06-27T05:32:41 < dongs> you didnt turn it into keepouts yet
2017-06-27T05:32:44 < dongs> select entire outline
2017-06-27T05:32:49 < dongs> tools->convert->to keepouts
2017-06-27T05:32:58 < dongs> it should show a messagebox xx objects converted
2017-06-27T05:33:11 < englishman> o thats new
2017-06-27T05:33:15 < dongs> and they should now have a 'restricted for layer' property
2017-06-27T05:33:29 < dongs> also: you still cant tab-> select any keepout objects, fuck
2017-06-27T05:34:55 < englishman> still doesnt make a cutout
2017-06-27T05:35:59 < dongs> do i need to start livestream
2017-06-27T05:36:00 < dongs> to educate you
2017-06-27T05:36:01 < dongs> jesus fuck
2017-06-27T05:36:09 < englishman> "define board cutout" starts the draw tool
2017-06-27T05:36:13 < dongs> no
2017-06-27T05:36:18 < dongs> same convert menu
2017-06-27T05:36:23 < dongs> select cutout traces/wahever
2017-06-27T05:36:29 < dongs> tools-.convert->board cutout from selected shit
2017-06-27T05:36:35 < dongs> then keep selected, turn into keepouts
2017-06-27T05:36:39 < dongs> keep selected, cahnge property to all
2017-06-27T05:36:41 < dongs> done
2017-06-27T05:37:41 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/ofEem
2017-06-27T05:37:54 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/Ad2smGs
2017-06-27T05:38:15 < dongs> funny level: upgrdman is a bored faggot
2017-06-27T05:38:49 < upgrdman> sounds like altium has pissed you off pretty good
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2017-06-27T05:39:00 < dongs> ya
2017-06-27T05:39:10 < dongs> glad i got it figured out tho
2017-06-27T05:39:15 < englishman> yeah it made the region
2017-06-27T05:39:18 < englishman> but it doesnt show up in 3d
2017-06-27T05:39:25 < dongs> .. region?
2017-06-27T05:39:28 < englishman> or board outline 1 view
2017-06-27T05:39:30 < englishman> cutout region
2017-06-27T05:39:52 < englishman> tools->convert->board cutout from primitives
2017-06-27T05:39:56 < englishman> makes a region
2017-06-27T05:40:15 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/timecop1818
2017-06-27T05:40:20 < dongs> pay attention
2017-06-27T05:40:38 < englishman> k
2017-06-27T05:41:59 < englishman> wtf i didthat
2017-06-27T05:42:03 < dongs> see?
2017-06-27T05:42:23 < dongs> same for importing shit
2017-06-27T05:42:24 < englishman> yes
2017-06-27T05:42:26 < englishman> i did that
2017-06-27T05:42:29 < dongs> the key here is it being on top layer
2017-06-27T05:42:33 < dongs> and keeping it slected
2017-06-27T05:42:38 < englishman> wtf it shows in 3d view now
2017-06-27T05:42:41 < englishman> i touched nothing
2017-06-27T05:42:42 < dongs> ^_^
2017-06-27T05:42:53 < dongs> btw i just got paid $200
2017-06-27T05:42:56 < dongs> to convert that board from dxf
2017-06-27T05:43:04 < dongs> which was basically hitting tab
2017-06-27T05:43:09 < dongs> and making dxf outlines into regions
2017-06-27T05:43:13 < dongs> for like 30 seconds
2017-06-27T05:43:16 < englishman> freecancer
2017-06-27T05:43:22 < dongs> nah pcb company works hit
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2017-06-27T05:43:31 < dongs> so acutal real money instead of freecancer money
2017-06-27T05:44:19 < englishman> would have been 10 seconds in 17.0
2017-06-27T05:44:26 < dongs> lol
2017-06-27T05:44:37 < dongs> wel, the longest part was raging abou the board outline
2017-06-27T05:44:45 < dongs> but now that its fixed, no longer rage needed
2017-06-27T05:44:49 < Thorn> it says there "Playing Altium Designer"
2017-06-27T05:44:55 < dongs> yes
2017-06-27T05:44:55 < Thorn> no way you're getting paid for it
2017-06-27T05:45:11 < dongs> thats the channel name you faggot
2017-06-27T05:45:19 < dongs> Playing + some dumb gasme name
2017-06-27T05:45:22 < dongs> is the only choice on twitch
2017-06-27T05:45:24 < englishman> twitch bans people that dont play enough games
2017-06-27T05:45:27 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-27T05:45:53 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/154697819
2017-06-27T05:45:56 < dongs> there you go, renamed it
2017-06-27T05:46:48 < englishman> how much should i charge to route a board with power, hdmi, pcie
2017-06-27T05:47:02 < dongs> pcie from what?
2017-06-27T05:47:05 < englishman> tc2
2017-06-27T05:47:07 < englishman> tx2
2017-06-27T05:47:11 < dongs> lel
2017-06-27T05:47:21 < dongs> is it a SoM at least
2017-06-27T05:47:25 < dongs> youre not routing tx2 right
2017-06-27T05:47:30 < englishman> hell no
2017-06-27T05:47:43 < aandrew> hah timecop has a twitch chan
2017-06-27T05:47:47 < dongs> few grand probly minimum
2017-06-27T05:47:49 < dongs> aandrew: ...
2017-06-27T05:47:51 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/v64qe
2017-06-27T05:47:53 < dongs> welcome to uh.. years ago
2017-06-27T05:47:59 < englishman> well yeah i dont get out of bed for less
2017-06-27T05:48:05 < aandrew> with shitty trance too
2017-06-27T05:48:18 < dongs> i could play shitty jpop instead
2017-06-27T05:48:28 < dongs> thats like the onyl 2 radio choices i have
2017-06-27T05:48:30 < englishman> pen pineapple
2017-06-27T05:49:02 < aandrew> lol is that gary niger for your avatar
2017-06-27T05:49:11 < dongs> yes
2017-06-27T05:49:15 < dongs> its the soldering iron gary niger
2017-06-27T05:49:27 < dongs> https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/man-soldering-repairing-printed-circuit-board-forced-air-iron-44099087.jpg
2017-06-27T05:49:44 < englishman> did you just google "black man soldering"
2017-06-27T05:49:46 < englishman> to get tat
2017-06-27T05:49:47 < dongs> literally
2017-06-27T05:49:54 < englishman> isnt google great
2017-06-27T05:49:55 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q=black+man+soldering+iron
2017-06-27T05:49:59 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/v201c
2017-06-27T05:50:29 < dongs> let's see what duckduckgo does
2017-06-27T05:50:51 < dongs> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=black+man+soldering+iron&t=h_&iax=1&ia=images
2017-06-27T05:50:55 < dongs> same shit
2017-06-27T05:50:58 < dongs> switching to ddg
2017-06-27T05:51:07 < dongs> btw i finally figured out how to stawp AMP shit on mobile
2017-06-27T05:51:59 < englishman> ive been seeing it a lot less
2017-06-27T05:52:10 < dongs> no way
2017-06-27T05:52:14 < dongs> any current events = front page full of amp
2017-06-27T05:52:21 < dongs> just goole trump or something
2017-06-27T05:52:28 < englishman> why would i ever do that
2017-06-27T05:52:57 < aandrew> what's AMP shit
2017-06-27T05:53:28 < dongs> aandrew: search for anything on mobile. see pages taht are served off google cdn
2017-06-27T05:53:57 < aandrew> ah
2017-06-27T06:00:29 < upgrdman> is jap internet fast? like whats typical residence speed
2017-06-27T06:01:13 < dongs> its "fast" locally but its been oversold for years to its actually pretty shit in practice
2017-06-27T06:01:26 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-27T06:01:36 < dongs> but i donno, 100/100 is pretty typical
2017-06-27T06:01:43 < dongs> thats what I have in the middle of nowhere
2017-06-27T06:01:48 < upgrdman> nice
2017-06-27T06:02:01 < upgrdman> im getting raped here. 100down 4up, $65/month :(
2017-06-27T06:02:04 < dongs> and ican reach that local shit copying stuff betwen places like 15km away
2017-06-27T06:02:21 < upgrdman> R2COM,
2017-06-27T06:02:23 < dongs> but to reach that to real internet, either many multiple conections or not possible
2017-06-27T06:02:24 < upgrdman> found R2COM's bunker   https://i.redd.it/n8vq6w68706z.jpg
2017-06-27T06:02:54 < dongs> R2COM: you just missed my liveblog of switching to orcad 2.0
2017-06-27T06:06:32 < Rob235> someone find me a chart of lipo battery prices over time
2017-06-27T06:06:45 < dongs> you do not need this information
2017-06-27T06:07:05 < upgrdman> Rob235, here you go: `
2017-06-27T06:07:14 < upgrdman> zooming in: \
2017-06-27T06:07:17 < Rob235> heh, writing a paper
2017-06-27T06:07:43 < Rob235> wanted to include price drop of batteries as factor in increase in drone popularity
2017-06-27T06:07:49 < Rob235> among other prices
2017-06-27T06:08:07 < Rob235> and weights and sizes
2017-06-27T06:08:10 < Rob235> oh well
2017-06-27T06:12:27 < upgrdman> Rob235, maybe find a popular lipo on amazon, and use it's camelcamelcamel chart
2017-06-27T06:13:52 < Rob235> hmmm
2017-06-27T06:15:22 < Rob235> oldest so far is only 4 years
2017-06-27T06:15:29 < Rob235> forget it
2017-06-27T06:15:37 < Rob235> i'll just say it without quoting anything
2017-06-27T06:15:47 < upgrdman> CITATION NEEDED
2017-06-27T06:17:01 < Rob235> its only a rough draft, i'll use it to find out how strict my prof is
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2017-06-27T06:36:28 < englishman> dongs, rip castAR
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2017-06-27T06:36:45 < dongs> oh?
2017-06-27T06:37:08 < englishman> https://www.polygon.com/2017/6/26/15877804/castar-shut-down
2017-06-27T06:39:52 < dongs> fucking lol
2017-06-27T06:39:54 < dongs> wheres Laurenceb
2017-06-27T06:40:23 < englishman> wtf were 70 people doing
2017-06-27T06:40:39 < dongs> watching jerrry's dick
2017-06-27T06:41:35 < englishman> microsoft didnt have 70 employees before msdos was on 150 million computers
2017-06-27T06:42:54 < Rob235> I guess 15 mill sounds like a lot until you have to actually produce some results
2017-06-27T06:43:25 < dongs> another failed jerry ellsworthless project(tm)
2017-06-27T06:49:17 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/sDvi6
2017-06-27T06:50:09 < dongs> <n00b750> any idea on how to best deinterlace watersports?
2017-06-27T06:51:46 < upgrdman> :)
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2017-06-27T07:29:38 < dongs> has anyoen (other than 06) done any GPGPU on rageberry pi
2017-06-27T07:29:56 < dongs> or is that shit all tightly locked down
2017-06-27T07:30:22 < upgrdman> iirc the mali gpu is locked down
2017-06-27T07:30:32 < upgrdman> def not open sauce
2017-06-27T07:30:43 < upgrdman> and iirc their opengl implementation is trash
2017-06-27T07:31:07 < upgrdman> good fucking luck with opencl
2017-06-27T07:31:11 < dongs> lelw
2017-06-27T07:31:22 < dongs> videocore, but yeah same shit
2017-06-27T07:31:35 < upgrdman> oh ya, but ya
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2017-06-27T08:18:23 < dongs> cool
2017-06-27T08:18:28 < dongs> chrome just crashed dragging across monitors again
2017-06-27T08:18:30 < dongs> every
2017-06-27T08:18:31 < dongs> FUCKING
2017-06-27T08:18:31 < dongs> time
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2017-06-27T08:18:51 < dongs> i have a feeling typical chrome user has like a single 1024x768 jizz=stained monitor
2017-06-27T08:18:56 < dongs> and its always there fullscreen
2017-06-27T08:19:05 < dongs> so they never catch these kinda bugs
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2017-06-27T08:27:33 < upgrdman> dongs, i regularly drag chrome between a 4k monitor, my bro4 "3k" monitor, and some trash 1080p tn panel. never crashes
2017-06-27T08:27:42 < upgrdman> guessing driver bugs or someshit
2017-06-27T08:28:22 < dongs> upgrdman: its been crashing on K1200 and on P2000 quadros
2017-06-27T08:28:31 < dongs> the problem is, fucking chrome doesnt make any worthwhile debug reports to actually see
2017-06-27T08:28:34 < dongs> it just FUCKING CRASHES
2017-06-27T08:28:36 < upgrdman> time to format and reinstall ;)
2017-06-27T08:28:38 < dongs> no
2017-06-27T08:28:43 < dongs> it does that even with a clean reinstall
2017-06-27T08:28:50 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-27T08:28:52 < dongs> how many of your 4K monitors are multi-tile/MST?
2017-06-27T08:29:02 < dongs> and how many of your GPUs are running in mosaic
2017-06-27T08:29:06 < upgrdman> the 4k at work is the 24" dell ips
2017-06-27T08:29:14 < upgrdman> dunno if multitile
2017-06-27T08:29:20 < dongs> if it was cheap probly not
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2017-06-27T08:59:21 < dongs> FUCKING SHITEATER
2017-06-27T08:59:23 < dongs> it just FUCKIGN CRASHED AGAIN
2017-06-27T08:59:29 < dongs> it hasnt even been running for more htan fucking 10 minutes
2017-06-27T09:09:28 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/879519780700659712
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2017-06-27T10:10:22 < ohsix> buns
2017-06-27T10:10:36 < ohsix> i forgot i put 'fartboxdickbutt' on the glasses i ordered
2017-06-27T10:10:38 < ohsix> :D
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2017-06-27T10:54:14 < ohsix> ehhh
2017-06-27T10:54:32 < ohsix> was in eagle class pal is putting together earlier, noticed people on windows could automatically start ltspice
2017-06-27T10:54:55 < ohsix> anyone know how, or if you can tell eagle about a local spice on the lunix?
2017-06-27T10:55:14 < ohsix> google results seem to suggest nobody has even noticed yet
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2017-06-27T11:06:57 < ohsix> if anyone has a lead beep me :< gotta be up early tomorrow
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2017-06-27T12:46:25 < phr3ak> how could I calibrate rtc if that is inaccurate?
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2017-06-27T13:02:30 < Fleck> phr3ak: be more specific
2017-06-27T13:03:53 < Fleck> on f103 you change RTC->PRLL
2017-06-27T13:08:12 < crt> the resonant converter
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2017-06-27T13:46:47 < phr3ak> stm32f405
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2017-06-27T13:48:19 < crt> fuck yeah
2017-06-27T13:48:46 < crt> l6599
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2017-06-27T14:04:17 < crt> ReadError: can you remember that l0de episode where he conspires linux is designed by pedophiles to hide their child pawn and describes rms as an insatiable scatfiend
2017-06-27T14:04:27 < crt> this is very important stm32 related research
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2017-06-27T14:07:39 < BrainDamage> well, that doesn't sound /too/ wrong
2017-06-27T14:09:41 < crt> https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=14m
2017-06-27T14:09:45 < ReadError> oh w/ SCATMAN
2017-06-27T14:09:47 < ReadError> RMS
2017-06-27T14:10:03 < crt> rofl
2017-06-27T14:10:12 < crt> this is probably the greatest thing ever
2017-06-27T14:10:25 < crt> i thought exactly the same but i could never formulate the words myself
2017-06-27T14:12:09 < crt> 12m30s is probably where the good bit starts
2017-06-27T14:12:46 < ReadError> just beatin off in the stall
2017-06-27T14:12:52 < ReadError> hence, STALLMAN
2017-06-27T14:13:11 < crt> they would find rms stallman just covered in his own shit!
2017-06-27T14:13:19 < crt> masturbating furiously!
2017-06-27T14:14:06 < ReadError> true story, can confirm
2017-06-27T14:14:13 < crt> sounds true to me
2017-06-27T14:14:17 < crt> wouldn't question
2017-06-27T14:15:37 < tpw_rules> i mean it's not far off from that time he ate his toenails
2017-06-27T14:16:32 < ReadError> crt linked it past the important bits
2017-06-27T14:16:37 < zyp> wtf, did all of you guys turn into Laurenceb?
2017-06-27T14:16:42 < crt> https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m30s
2017-06-27T14:16:59 < ReadError> zyp: this is ole lore
2017-06-27T14:17:05 < ReadError> way more legit than 4chan
2017-06-27T14:17:40 < crt> just covered in his ownn ssshhhhhit!
2017-06-27T14:17:43 < crt> in the stall,,,
2017-06-27T14:17:51 < crt> masturbating furiously!
2017-06-27T14:18:29 < ReadError> damn feces eating lunix users
2017-06-27T14:19:15 < crt> lol
2017-06-27T14:19:56 < crt> the pioneer dj mixer was a good one too
2017-06-27T14:20:11 < ReadError> ?
2017-06-27T14:20:15 < crt> ok
2017-06-27T14:20:21 < crt> he was 'selling' a pioneer dj deck/mixer
2017-06-27T14:20:35 < ReadError> ohj w/ the gays?
2017-06-27T14:20:36 < ReadError> lol
2017-06-27T14:20:37 < crt> and he basically said he was getting rid of it bcoz every buyer wanted to suck his cock
2017-06-27T14:20:39 < crt> yeah
2017-06-27T14:20:55 < crt> actually sent that to a few dj friends of mine
2017-06-27T14:21:01 < crt> they didn't seem to enjoy it rofl
2017-06-27T14:21:04 < ReadError> i asked l0de if he can continue on w/ the RMS story
2017-06-27T14:21:09 < crt> sweet
2017-06-27T14:21:10 < ReadError> since we know it doesnt end there
2017-06-27T14:21:17 < crt> yeah of course
2017-06-27T14:21:19 < crt> fanfiction
2017-06-27T14:21:25 < crt> or fanonfiction
2017-06-27T14:21:27 < ReadError> hasnt even got to steve handie-jobs
2017-06-27T14:21:33 < crt> yeah
2017-06-27T14:21:39 < crt> thats a good handle
2017-06-27T14:21:45 < crt> steve handjobs
2017-06-27T14:21:52 < crt> jerked woz into innovation
2017-06-27T14:22:01 < crt> thats what his primary function in the formation of apple was right
2017-06-27T14:22:17 < crt> woz couldn't pick up girls so steve had to service him
2017-06-27T14:22:21 < ReadError> ya he was eventually jerking off so many men per day
2017-06-27T14:22:28 < ReadError> thats why he got so skinny and frail
2017-06-27T14:22:32 < ReadError> couldnt keep up
2017-06-27T14:22:34 < crt> and died of PC
2017-06-27T14:22:39 < crt> (pancreatic cancer)
2017-06-27T14:22:40 < crt> lol
2017-06-27T14:22:46 < ReadError> lol dammmnnn
2017-06-27T14:22:53 < crt> its a pretty sick joke
2017-06-27T14:27:05 < crt> so like
2017-06-27T14:27:17 < crt> old jobs' wrist got a little bit sore but woz found lisa
2017-06-27T14:28:50 < crt> classic pumper
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2017-06-27T14:31:11 < ReadError> cant pump the stump
2017-06-27T14:31:18 < crt> where is stumper
2017-06-27T14:31:20 < crt> i mean steffan
2017-06-27T14:31:39 < ReadError> probably hiding from you
2017-06-27T14:31:46 < ReadError> I heard you hit him sometimes
2017-06-27T14:33:26 < crt> i do
2017-06-27T14:33:34 < crt> that's why he delivers the kanjers
2017-06-27T14:34:36 < crt> the fucken dogs
2017-06-27T14:50:56 < ReadErr> the django took muh beebbeee
2017-06-27T15:03:43 < invzim> meh, stm32 cube hal i2c stuff is giving me gibberish
2017-06-27T15:05:01 < crt> shit nigger dick fuck
2017-06-27T15:06:25 < invzim> HAL_I2C_GetState(&hi2c1) = 2
2017-06-27T15:06:33 < invzim> which is not a defined state
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2017-06-27T15:09:55 < crt> yes
2017-06-27T15:10:13 < ReadErr> I2C mm
2017-06-27T15:10:17 < crt> ty
2017-06-27T15:10:25 < ReadErr> do you have a bottle of hard liquor and a handgun?
2017-06-27T15:10:49 < crt> nope
2017-06-27T15:10:51 < crt> wish i did
2017-06-27T15:10:57 < invzim> to make matters worse, the chip in question of course needs repeated starts
2017-06-27T15:11:14 < ReadErr> what esteeem32 ?
2017-06-27T15:12:14 < invzim> ad9984a
2017-06-27T15:12:17 < crt> yeah mate
2017-06-27T15:12:24 < crt> what the fuck is i2c
2017-06-27T15:12:28 < crt> i remember it was in crt tvs
2017-06-27T15:12:40 < ReadError> f1?f2?f3?
2017-06-27T15:12:49 < invzim> stm32f401
2017-06-27T15:13:05 < ReadError> o i c
2017-06-27T15:13:13 < ReadError> did u check the errata ?
2017-06-27T15:13:51 < crt> what is that
2017-06-27T15:13:59 < crt> where they rap it
2017-06-27T15:14:27 < ReadError>   eratatatataaaaaa
2017-06-27T15:14:34 < invzim> just working on bringup at home via remote desktop pretending to do real work :)
2017-06-27T15:14:40 < ReadError> bumbbaaaclout
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2017-06-27T15:22:44 < crt> prop
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2017-06-27T15:38:52 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwOX7vOf0_s&feature=youtu.be&t=368
2017-06-27T15:45:18 < jadew> https://pics.me.me/the-astronaut-who-took-this-photo-is-the-only-human-8265395.png
2017-06-27T15:56:43 < englishman> crt https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zhjLtMSH/IMG_20170627_085610.jpg
2017-06-27T15:59:02 < crt> TY
2017-06-27T15:59:10 < crt> :D
2017-06-27T15:59:57 < crt> Englishdong
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2017-06-27T16:09:43 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKykBcLKUn8
2017-06-27T16:10:07 < crt> Ok
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2017-06-27T16:18:10 < ReadError> y ur cat always look pissed at you
2017-06-27T16:18:24 < Thorn> why is (APBCLK + BAUDRATE/2) / BAUDRATE a better formula for calculating USART prescaler values than just APBCLK / BAUDRATE? (F0)
2017-06-27T16:25:07 < zyp> rounding?
2017-06-27T16:25:21 < zyp> you're essentially doing APBCLK / BAUDRATE + 0.5
2017-06-27T16:26:15 < karlp> and at what baudrates is it going to matter?
2017-06-27T16:26:20 < Thorn> yeah, it either adds 1 to the result or doesn't (compared to the simple formula), and the result matches better with the table in the RM
2017-06-27T16:27:00 < zyp> well, the thing is that round(x) is pretty much floor(x + 0.5)
2017-06-27T16:27:44 < zyp> and the floor is implicit by the integer division
2017-06-27T16:28:17 < Thorn> ok so it rounds say 1.6 to 2 like you'd expect if using floating point
2017-06-27T16:28:31 < Thorn> got it lol
2017-06-27T16:29:33 < phr3ak> how could I calibrate rtc on an stm32f405 if that is inaccurate?
2017-06-27T16:30:47 < aandrew> phr3ak: have you checked the RM?
2017-06-27T16:31:16 < PaulFertser> But round() treats negative numbers differently, -0.5 gives -1.
2017-06-27T16:31:29 < aandrew> phr3ak: have you thrown "stm32f4 rtc calibration" into google and found AN3371 as the first hit?
2017-06-27T16:31:38 < aandrew> hey PaulFertser
2017-06-27T16:31:42 < PaulFertser> hey :)
2017-06-27T16:32:01 < aandrew> what's new
2017-06-27T16:32:40 < zyp> PaulFertser, moot point when operating on unsigned numbers
2017-06-27T16:33:24 < phr3ak> it was not clear how it works but I did not check this document yet. Thanks you I will check it.
2017-06-27T16:33:51 < crt> https://youtu.be/JjcgUwlVLdo
2017-06-27T16:35:03 < PaulFertser> zyp: indeed, just wanted to add a bit more context.
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2017-06-27T16:39:03 < crt> Chopper stabilised rat dog
2017-06-27T16:40:18 < invzim> ali purchase of the day https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-set-SOP-SOIC-TSSOP-TSOP-SSOP-MSOP-PLCC-QFP-SMD-IC-Chip-pin-CLIP-DIP/32589469448.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.2.CzdsG1
2017-06-27T16:42:46 < Thorn> negative prescaler values are not allowed by relativity
2017-06-27T16:42:51 < Thorn> lol
2017-06-27T16:45:08 < Thorn> invzim: have you had a chance to test them? most China clips are crap afaik, even ones that are far less miniature
2017-06-27T16:45:40 < aandrew> invzim: there's no way those things work
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2017-06-27T16:50:21 < invzim> butbutbut
2017-06-27T16:51:05 < invzim> worst case I'll scrape some soldermask off the pcb and solder something on
2017-06-27T16:51:47 < invzim> think it's the same as this one, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/TSSOP-MSOP-car-remote-control-key-chip-pin-SMD-DIP-chipIC-clip-clip-burn-folder/32535219524.html?spm=2114.8153822.cb0001.6.BZrJHL&scm=1007.13409.84631.0&amp;pvid=e691c1dd-1930-4314-a388-39369d9c69d5&amp;tpp=1
2017-06-27T16:52:18 < invzim> and that one has a PATENT :)
2017-06-27T16:52:52 < karlp> hrm, someone on sigrok was sharing some recently that looked like those, said they worked surprisingly well for the price.
2017-06-27T16:52:58 < karlp> let me see if I can find their pics again
2017-06-27T16:54:23 < karlp> yeah, they're on http://sigrok.org/wiki/Probe_comparison down to "universal asdfads"
2017-06-27T16:55:18 < zyp> I remember I got some good shit once that dongs recommended
2017-06-27T16:55:52 < zyp> well, my old job got them
2017-06-27T16:56:45 < zyp> NC1B IIRC
2017-06-27T16:57:12 < karlp> http://testproductsintl.com/ yeah, those
2017-06-27T16:57:15 < karlp> B is just black
2017-06-27T16:57:36 < karlp> those are only ~7€ each, bargain vs some of the $20 ones.
2017-06-27T16:57:57 < zyp> I think I threw them in to pad a digikey order or something like that
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2017-06-27T17:11:59 < invzim> hohum, getting a little further, now stuck in HAL_I2C_STATE_BUSY_TX
2017-06-27T17:14:02 < englishman> that v1 i2c is tricky
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2017-06-27T21:43:36 < Streaker> I'm watching a YouTube video of a Russian speaker factory and there are black people working there.
2017-06-27T21:44:21 < Streaker> I thought there were no black people in Russia.
2017-06-27T21:44:26 < Steffanx> Those damn Afro-russians.
2017-06-27T21:45:08 < Steffanx> Hows india today Streaker?
2017-06-27T21:45:59 < Streaker> Wet.
2017-06-27T21:46:58 < Streaker> Humidity will hit 99% in a week or so and stay there for the next 2 months.
2017-06-27T21:47:30 < Streaker> But I like this season.
2017-06-27T21:48:11 < Steffanx> And what temp?
2017-06-27T21:48:16 < Steffanx> 30C+?
2017-06-27T21:48:27 < Streaker> Thankfully no.
2017-06-27T21:48:45 < Steffanx> oh good :)
2017-06-27T21:49:32 < englishman> !wz lahore, pakistan
2017-06-27T21:49:32 < dieforirc> [Lahore, Pakistan] Haze. Temp is 29.9°C but feels like 35°C. East wind: 8.2 kph. Humidity: 70%.
2017-06-27T21:49:58 < englishman> !wz chennai, india
2017-06-27T21:50:00 < dieforirc> [Chennai, India] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 28.2°C but feels like 31°C. Humidity: 68%.
2017-06-27T21:50:10 < englishman> rather nice
2017-06-27T21:50:46 < Steffanx> 28C + 68% is hell
2017-06-27T21:50:47 < Streaker> No rain in Chennai? That's odd. Monsoon hit them two weeks ago.
2017-06-27T21:50:55 < englishman> !wz al-raqqah, syria
2017-06-27T21:50:56 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-27T21:51:07 < englishman> !wz raqqa, syria
2017-06-27T21:51:08 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-27T21:51:16 < Steffanx> !wz raqqa
2017-06-27T21:51:17 < dieforirc> [Raqqadiyah, Syria] Clear. Temp is 23.1°C.
2017-06-27T21:51:27 < Steffanx> yw
2017-06-27T21:51:27 < Streaker> !wz Cochin
2017-06-27T21:51:28 < dieforirc> [Cochin, India] Fog. Temp is 24°C. Humidity: 94%.
2017-06-27T21:51:35 < englishman> nice
2017-06-27T21:52:09 < Steffanx> 24C is more like it.
2017-06-27T21:55:10 < englishman> steffy did you see the chickens
2017-06-27T22:01:35 < Steffanx> the outside chickens?
2017-06-27T22:02:27 < englishman> yes them
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2017-06-27T22:20:18 < qyx> 29C and 45% here :S
2017-06-27T22:20:58 < qyx> englishman: I grabbed some spakrkfun Si7021 sensor
2017-06-27T22:21:23 < qyx> hopefully I will put it outside tomorrow
2017-06-27T22:21:25 < englishman> nice
2017-06-27T22:21:26 < qyx> also
2017-06-27T22:21:44 < qyx> that visible and IR sensor, I have some TI thing
2017-06-27T22:22:21 < englishman> you had mentioned one
2017-06-27T22:22:25 < englishman> the one you linked was 16klux max
2017-06-27T22:22:32 < englishman> which is fine for manythings
2017-06-27T22:22:43 < qyx> TSL2561
2017-06-27T22:22:43 < englishman> but when this was outdoors i was measuring 110klux
2017-06-27T22:22:47 < qyx> yep
2017-06-27T22:23:05 < englishman> you were doing pretty different stuff
2017-06-27T22:23:07 < qyx> I covered it with a half-ping-pong ball
2017-06-27T22:23:29 < qyx> I'll try if it is within its range
2017-06-27T22:24:55 < qyx> finally I feel like maker
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2017-06-27T22:30:27 < upgrdman> on f4 with usb client, anyone know what kinda of usb-uart baud rate is doable?
2017-06-27T22:30:35 < upgrdman> >2MBaud ?
2017-06-27T22:38:59 < Lux> more than that
2017-06-27T22:40:31 < Lux> should be somewhere around 3-5 iirc, but also depends a lot on how the data is buffered and the usb-cdc settings
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2017-06-27T22:54:15 < jpa-> upgrdman: close to 1Mbyte/s should be achievable
2017-06-27T22:54:22 < jpa-> (in single direction)
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2017-06-27T22:54:32 < upgrdman> jpa-, great. thx
2017-06-27T22:55:21 < jpa-> but this requires transferring full 64 bytes every usb packet; so make sure your usb drivers buffer stuff up
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2017-06-27T22:56:12 < upgrdman> drivers in firmware or windows driver settings?
2017-06-27T22:56:51 < jpa-> both
2017-06-27T22:56:54 < upgrdman> k
2017-06-27T22:57:22 < jpa-> (whatever side is doing the sending, the receiver cannot make the sender put more stuff in a packet than it does)
2017-06-27T22:57:30 < upgrdman> oh ya lol
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2017-06-27T23:45:19 < deshipu> Hi, I wonder where I would go for help with STM8 chips?
2017-06-27T23:50:54 < kakimir> Here
2017-06-27T23:51:10 < kakimir> but why?
2017-06-27T23:51:16 < kakimir> stm8
2017-06-27T23:55:12 < deshipu> why not, it's cheaper than avrs :)
2017-06-27T23:55:29 < deshipu> and all I need to do it read a bunch of buttons and make some beeps
2017-06-27T23:55:30 < englishman> stm8 is awesome
2017-06-27T23:56:54 < deshipu> so I got a "minimal dev board" for an stm8s103f3p6 and got it to blink -- yay
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2017-06-27T23:57:13 < deshipu> but now I'm trying to program a bare chip, and it's not responding
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2017-06-28T00:01:36 < deshipu> I wonder if I'm missing some passives
2017-06-28T00:03:07 < deshipu> I have a capacitor on the Cext pin
2017-06-28T00:04:08 < deshipu> 1µF, as the reference design suggests
2017-06-28T00:15:43 < upgrdman> ive never used an stm8, but the usual troubleshooting applies: compare know good (your dev board being programmed) to the problematic one (your bare chip) with an oscope or log anal'er
2017-06-28T00:15:54 < upgrdman> known good*
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2017-06-28T00:18:22 < ohsix> sup
2017-06-28T00:18:28 < ohsix> gah this window is full of crap
2017-06-28T00:18:59 < deshipu> upgrdman: ok, thanks, I guess it's time to roll out the heavy cannons
2017-06-28T00:19:08 < upgrdman> np
2017-06-28T00:19:09 < ohsix> or an emulator
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2017-06-28T00:19:23 < ohsix> oh, nm
2017-06-28T00:19:38 < ohsix> sec i got some cheap ass stm8 breakout things that have all the gubbins, can probably get schematic
2017-06-28T00:19:45 < ohsix> but datasheet probably covers it
2017-06-28T00:24:30 < ohsix> they're cheap enough to jus tbuy instead tho https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-DIY-Kit-Parts-ARM-STM8-Development-Board-Minimum-System-Board-STM8S103F3P6-Module-for-Arduino/32673611810.html
2017-06-28T00:24:55 < deshipu> well, I have very limited space on my board
2017-06-28T00:25:34 < deshipu> the app note seems to imply that only the vcap capacitor is necessary
2017-06-28T00:25:45 < deshipu> not even a pullup on the rst
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2017-06-28T00:37:47 < ohsix> reset has a builtin pullup
2017-06-28T00:38:24 < ohsix> page 23 of datasheet
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2017-06-28T00:42:57 < deshipu> yeah
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2017-06-28T00:45:38 < deshipu> hmm, so my logic analyzer doesn't have a decoder for SWIM
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2017-06-28T00:49:02 < deshipu> but it looks like it doesn't go beyond the handshake
2017-06-28T00:50:09 < Streaker> Why stm8?
2017-06-28T00:50:39 < Streaker> Why learn an obscure arch?
2017-06-28T00:51:44 < deshipu> because it's perfect for small use cases where avr shone so far
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2017-06-28T00:52:06 < deshipu> and because I want to expand my toolbox
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2017-06-28T00:52:29 < deshipu> it looks like this thing never releases the nrst pin
2017-06-28T00:53:21 < ohsix> it's nto obscure
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2017-06-28T00:54:09 < ohsix> 8051 still rules the low end
2017-06-28T00:54:28 < Thorn> because old designs
2017-06-28T00:56:24 < Thorn> fft + templates = http://www.drdobbs.com/parallel/a-simple-and-efficient-fft-implementatio/199500857
2017-06-28T00:57:03 < sync> Thorn: no, because no license cost and cheap as fuck to get as IP
2017-06-28T00:58:11 < deshipu> I think I will just assume that I killed this chip, and wait for the replacement to arrive.
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2017-06-28T01:07:48 < Laurenceb__> invzim> hohum, getting a little further, now stuck in HAL_I2C_STATE_BUSY_TX
2017-06-28T01:07:57 < Laurenceb__> steal my i2c codes
2017-06-28T01:08:07 < Laurenceb__> what driver are u using?
2017-06-28T01:09:12 < englishman> Streaker: stm8 is awesome
2017-06-28T01:09:31 < Streaker> In what way?
2017-06-28T01:09:46 < englishman> real compilers, awesome ide, cheap as hell, very powerful hardware
2017-06-28T01:10:02 < englishman> one wire *real* debugging
2017-06-28T01:10:10 < deshipu> as opposed to imaginary compilers
2017-06-28T01:10:30 < englishman> as opposed to general purpose, hacked-together open source crap from 1976
2017-06-28T01:10:31 < Streaker> Stm32 is not cheap enough for you?
2017-06-28T01:10:37 < Laurenceb__> sqrt(-1) compiler
2017-06-28T01:10:50 < Laurenceb__> is there gcc for stm8?
2017-06-28T01:10:54 < englishman> stm8 is great when you need an mcu for 25c
2017-06-28T01:10:56 < englishman> also 5v, etc.
2017-06-28T01:11:01 < deshipu> I'm doing it on linux, so I get a compiler that just recently got support for this, vim for the ide, and stm8flash for flashing, but the other stuff applies
2017-06-28T01:11:11 < englishman> no idea Laurenceb__ since the pro compiler is free, no need to suffer through gcc crap.
2017-06-28T01:11:22 < Laurenceb__> but it doesnt run on lunix
2017-06-28T01:11:29 < englishman> i fail to see the problem
2017-06-28T01:11:32 < Laurenceb__> or it does but its rather broken in wine
2017-06-28T01:11:49 < kakimir> deshipu: you better check what ebay or so offers for stm32f103
2017-06-28T01:11:53 < Laurenceb__> they insisted on weird fonts
2017-06-28T01:12:11 < deshipu> Laurenceb__: no gcc support, but sdcc supports it
2017-06-28T01:12:26 < Laurenceb__> ah
2017-06-28T01:12:27 < Streaker> Yeah I wish stm32 had a port with independent voltage supply so you could directly interface 5v-only devices
2017-06-28T01:12:40 < Laurenceb__> 5v only devices
2017-06-28T01:12:44 < kakimir> why?
2017-06-28T01:12:45 < Laurenceb__> such things still exist?
2017-06-28T01:13:07 < kakimir> he is saying he wants to talk with arduino
2017-06-28T01:13:11 < Laurenceb__> lulyes
2017-06-28T01:13:15 < Streaker> haha
2017-06-28T01:13:19 < englishman> 5v is great for powering right from lipo
2017-06-28T01:13:25 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2017-06-28T01:13:34 < Laurenceb__> lipo is ~3v to 4.2v
2017-06-28T01:13:37 < englishman> yes
2017-06-28T01:13:38 < deshipu> englishman: from 3.7V lipo?
2017-06-28T01:13:43 < englishman> yes
2017-06-28T01:13:47 < kakimir> that is not 5v only device then englishman
2017-06-28T01:13:50 < Laurenceb__> but you can get about 90% life with 3.3vldo fromlipo
2017-06-28T01:13:51 < Streaker> 3.3v is perfect for lipo+ldo
2017-06-28T01:13:56 < englishman> who said i needed 5v only
2017-06-28T01:14:06 < kakimir> just making assumptions
2017-06-28T01:14:10 < englishman> clearly
2017-06-28T01:14:39 < kakimir> what clock should I wake up tommorow
2017-06-28T01:14:48 < englishman> stm8s powered directly from lipo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViMucUtLJo
2017-06-28T01:14:59 < Streaker> I wonder how long before everything runs at 1.2v
2017-06-28T01:15:37 < deshipu> englishman: I think there may be at least a voltage multiplier involved there
2017-06-28T01:15:41 < Laurenceb__> well its close to being possible to abandon 3.3vfor good
2017-06-28T01:16:09 < Laurenceb__> OH MY GOD
2017-06-28T01:16:15 < Laurenceb__> they are turning the youtube gay
2017-06-28T01:16:29 < kakimir> how?
2017-06-28T01:16:45 < Laurenceb__> gay flags
2017-06-28T01:16:51 < emeb> Laurenceb__ got his panties in a bunch because flag
2017-06-28T01:16:55 < Laurenceb__> invzim> hohum, getting a little further, now stuck in HAL_I2C_STATE_BUSY_TX
2017-06-28T01:17:02 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePLkAm8i2s
2017-06-28T01:17:11 < Laurenceb__> how do I copypaste
2017-06-28T01:17:49 < kakimir> nanotech gaybomb
2017-06-28T01:19:27 < deshipu> Laurenceb__: you have a problem with gays?
2017-06-28T01:19:47 < Laurenceb__> only when they are being fascistic
2017-06-28T01:19:59 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-28T01:20:41 < deshipu> I don't even know what that means
2017-06-28T01:20:42 < Laurenceb__> I was at timber merchants earlier, noticed the prices they tried to charge me were higher than phone quote
2017-06-28T01:21:10 < Laurenceb__> spoke to the guy at the desk,he gets a bit embarrassed and changes the price immediately
2017-06-28T01:21:34 < Laurenceb__>  >I realise the prices are made up on the spot depending on how much they can rip people offby
2017-06-28T01:21:53 < kakimir> deshipu: when they are being marxists
2017-06-28T01:22:03 < Laurenceb__> > come up with a cunning plan: got in on two days, on second day dress as tranny
2017-06-28T01:22:08 < Laurenceb__> *go
2017-06-28T01:22:41 < Laurenceb__> > when they try to overcharge the creepy tranny, film everything and send video to gay rights activists
2017-06-28T01:23:00 < Laurenceb__> > epic victory as gay right activists attack the whole building
2017-06-28T01:23:11 < deshipu> I didn't know there is a specific way that transvestites dress.
2017-06-28T01:24:00 < kakimir> deshipu: on this channel you may find hard to keep your focus
2017-06-28T01:24:07 < Laurenceb__> https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/chriss-jpg.26653/
2017-06-28T01:24:11 < kakimir> little known fact
2017-06-28T01:24:24 < Laurenceb__> ^ "hello I'd like to buy some timber"
2017-06-28T01:24:45 < deshipu> I think I'm missing the joke somehow
2017-06-28T01:25:05 < kakimir> no
2017-06-28T01:25:28 < kakimir> Laurenceb__ has worst humour that nobody understands
2017-06-28T01:25:33 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Trolling_Induced_Transsexuality_Syndrome
2017-06-28T01:26:29 < deshipu> oh, I see, this is that end of the Internet
2017-06-28T01:26:47 < deshipu> I suppose goatse images come next
2017-06-28T01:26:55 < Laurenceb__> worse
2017-06-28T01:27:03 < Laurenceb__> dongs popularized it
2017-06-28T01:27:40 < deshipu> gotta congratulate st.com for running a splendid community
2017-06-28T01:28:33 < kakimir> deshipu: how would you deal with Laurenceb__ if you had power on this channel?
2017-06-28T01:29:20 < Laurenceb__>  > st.com
2017-06-28T01:29:23 < Laurenceb__>  >  this channel
2017-06-28T01:29:30 < deshipu> kakimir: I would immediately pass my power to someone who actually can deal with people :)
2017-06-28T01:29:41 < Laurenceb__> dude if this channel was official we would all be in prison for defamation
2017-06-28T01:29:48 < kakimir> :D
2017-06-28T01:30:25 < deshipu> kakimir: don't expect advice on running communities from an introverted geek
2017-06-28T01:30:46 < deshipu> at least not good advice
2017-06-28T01:30:50 < kakimir> that is the problem
2017-06-28T01:31:22 < kakimir> or the solution?
2017-06-28T01:31:30 < deshipu> I can tell something is wrong (or at least a bit fishy), but no idea what.
2017-06-28T01:31:50 < kakimir> maybe we could listen the silent voices instead of loudest noises
2017-06-28T01:32:01 < deshipu> but I just joined, so I'm probably completely wrong
2017-06-28T01:32:39 < deshipu> and ST is in Texas after all
2017-06-28T01:32:50 < BrainDamage> ST is european
2017-06-28T01:32:55 < deshipu> really?
2017-06-28T01:32:59 < sync> boi
2017-06-28T01:33:03 < sync> french and italian
2017-06-28T01:33:09 < deshipu> now I made a fool of myself
2017-06-28T01:33:11 < Laurenceb__> herp derp
2017-06-28T01:33:20 < deshipu> I though they are all in Texas
2017-06-28T01:33:24 < kakimir> as is NXP too
2017-06-28T01:33:29 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: could you put this in the topic >Laurenceb__: dude if this channel was official we would all be in prison for defamation
2017-06-28T01:33:38 < sync> nxp is in blazeit country
2017-06-28T01:33:53 < kakimir> and all over place too
2017-06-28T01:36:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9IkdY7fvs Czech students have made a flying sculpture of carbon fibre
2017-06-28T01:37:09 < kakimir> fan is carbon fibre too
2017-06-28T01:38:08 < deshipu> looks expensive
2017-06-28T01:39:46 < deshipu> I didn't know they use ducted fan in full-scale airplanes too
2017-06-28T01:40:17 < kakimir> some
2017-06-28T01:40:52 < kakimir> it has low thrust and lower efficiency than some really good propeller
2017-06-28T01:41:36 < kakimir> in this case it's for looks and feel
2017-06-28T01:41:54 < kakimir> as it's a replica of L39
2017-06-28T01:44:52 < deshipu> model building taken to the next level
2017-06-28T01:45:13 < kakimir> it makes the same sound than my EDFs made
2017-06-28T01:45:32 < kakimir> electric ducted fan
2017-06-28T01:45:49 < deshipu> makes sense, since it's basically the same thing
2017-06-28T01:45:51 < deshipu> only bigger
2017-06-28T01:46:39 < kakimir> so are you into hobby deshipu ?
2017-06-28T01:47:09 < kakimir> it's more than a year since I last time flew a remote control plane
2017-06-28T01:50:33 < englishman> only the french can come up with HALs this bad
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2017-06-28T01:53:18 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/kcxGfNX
2017-06-28T01:54:43 < kakimir> what is in english that tobacco you butt under the upper lip?
2017-06-28T01:55:44 < BrainDamage> like the swedish snus?
2017-06-28T01:55:49 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-28T01:56:08 < BrainDamage> snuff is the generic term I think
2017-06-28T01:56:27 < BrainDamage> wait, dipping tobacco
2017-06-28T01:56:27 < kakimir> oh
2017-06-28T01:56:41 < kakimir> what is chew tobacco then?
2017-06-28T01:57:44 < BrainDamage> another name for it
2017-06-28T01:57:53 < kakimir> needs to be chewed to "release flavour and nicotine"
2017-06-28T01:58:00 < kakimir> not same thing
2017-06-28T01:59:52 < Laurenceb__> >arrange to meet up with someone from here
2017-06-28T01:59:57 < Laurenceb__> >give a time and place
2017-06-28T02:00:15 < Laurenceb__> >use the report terrorism service on MI5 website to tell them there's a right-wing racist nazi wanting to orchestrate a chlorine gas attack at this time and place
2017-06-28T02:01:09 < kakimir> I wait for OPs to land to my account Laurenceb__
2017-06-28T02:01:26 < Laurenceb__> this is why crt didn't want to meet up irl
2017-06-28T02:01:57 < deshipu> kakimir: personally I only did some single-rotor helis, and that mostly off-the-shelf stuff, but I have some friends who are more into modeling
2017-06-28T02:02:07 < kakimir> you tried to meet crt Laurenceb__ ?
2017-06-28T02:02:24 < Laurenceb__> I offered to
2017-06-28T02:03:14 < kakimir> you crazy
2017-06-28T02:04:03 < Laurenceb__> ikr he could have pulled that one in reverse
2017-06-28T02:04:35 < deshipu> or get two anti-terrorist agencies meet
2017-06-28T02:04:50 < deshipu> that could be fun
2017-06-28T02:04:58 < kakimir> that would have been interesting
2017-06-28T02:06:29 < deshipu> you could collect bets on which one wins
2017-06-28T02:08:21 < kakimir> have I heard this idea in internets already..
2017-06-28T02:08:27 < kakimir> ye
2017-06-28T02:08:35 < tpw_rules> which two hate each other most
2017-06-28T02:08:39 < tpw_rules> you can't have them trying to coordinate
2017-06-28T02:09:35 < deshipu> if you pick they right ones, they might do it even if they suspect it's a prank
2017-06-28T02:09:59 < kakimir> and then kill everybody
2017-06-28T02:10:05 < deshipu> just needing an excuse
2017-06-28T02:10:13 < kakimir> then execute
2017-06-28T02:10:22 < deshipu> and the world will become a little bit safer
2017-06-28T02:11:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKazdyUkFWQ0dENW8/view?usp=sharing so the edge wasn't enought up for rubber to seal it
2017-06-28T02:11:19 < kakimir> removed some rubber under the tank and it sealed
2017-06-28T02:11:47 < kakimir> made a DIY selfie stick too
2017-06-28T02:12:56 < kakimir> it sealed 100%
2017-06-28T02:13:01 < kakimir> no leak
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2017-06-28T02:22:45 < kakimir> thank god for small electronics pliers
2017-06-28T02:23:06 < kakimir> pulled a wood splinter under the nail
2017-06-28T02:29:24 < deshipu> ouch
2017-06-28T02:29:34 < deshipu> wear gloves
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2017-06-28T03:47:56 < Laurenceb_> calling wifi experts
2017-06-28T03:48:14 < Laurenceb_> is it normal to see data frames with nothing connected?
2017-06-28T03:55:24 < sync> no, that is the nsa injecting shit in your datas
2017-06-28T03:57:16 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-06-28T03:57:45 < Laurenceb_> I'm actually hunting for hidden ip cameras
2017-06-28T03:57:48 < Laurenceb_> nsa confirmed
2017-06-28T03:58:24 < Laurenceb_> I suspect hidden IP cameras and have a suspicious access point
2017-06-28T03:58:34 < Laurenceb_> but how to find out what it is?
2017-06-28T03:58:47 < kakimir> a hint: printer
2017-06-28T03:58:58 < dongs> uh
2017-06-28T03:59:05 < dongs> why wouldf a camera have access point
2017-06-28T03:59:10 < dongs> it would connect TO an access point
2017-06-28T03:59:26 < Laurenceb_> so the creepy guy can spy on my from his phone
2017-06-28T03:59:42 < Laurenceb_> no it has cable I think
2017-06-28T03:59:46 < kakimir> it troubled me that my printer in standby was making "modulating" sounds with it's switching power supply at night
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2017-06-28T04:00:37 < kakimir> well stopped keeping it on power and no noises
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2017-06-28T04:10:19 < kakimir> modulating didn't have any fixed period or so and that was the weird part.. if it was fixed pattern it would be not uncommon at all
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2017-06-28T04:15:24 < dongs> why the fuck do you ahve a printer in your bedroom
2017-06-28T04:19:58 < kakimir> hmm
2017-06-28T04:20:20 < kakimir> it's like studio or whatever you call it
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2017-06-28T04:26:43 < kakimir> meaning no seperate bedroom
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2017-06-28T04:37:23 < englishman> https://streamable.com/jnfkt
2017-06-28T04:42:15 < dongs> englishman: wat am i looking at
2017-06-28T04:43:05 < englishman> noobs
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2017-06-28T04:45:20 < englishman> actually kurds fighting in raqqa
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2017-06-28T04:51:30 < upgrdman> anyone used one of those portable induction cooktops? are they decent or shit? like this  https://www.amazon.com/Secura-9100MC-Portable-Induction-Countertop/dp/B00GMCAM2G/
2017-06-28T04:56:26 < dongs> looks legit
2017-06-28T04:56:28 < dongs> you cant realyl fuck that up i guess
2017-06-28T04:58:39 < upgrdman> i guess
2017-06-28T04:58:48 < upgrdman> i wonder how it compared to a normal cooktop
2017-06-28T04:58:56 < upgrdman> like is one burner on a real stove >1.8kW?
2017-06-28T04:59:13 < dongs> just lokoup how induction heater stuff wroks
2017-06-28T04:59:18 < tpw_rules> why not just get a regular one
2017-06-28T04:59:25 < tpw_rules> i have a 1kW one that was like $15 new
2017-06-28T04:59:41 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: usually far more
2017-06-28T04:59:44 < dongs> also you need special induction-capable kitchenwarez
2017-06-28T04:59:46 < tpw_rules> the biggest on mine is 5kW
2017-06-28T05:00:05 < upgrdman> dongs, orly? hmm fuck
2017-06-28T05:00:59 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-06-28T05:01:27 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002N17H5A/ the shit will usually say induction heating compatible or whatever
2017-06-28T05:01:35 < dongs> i forgot waht teh requirememt is, i think it cant be aluminum or someshit
2017-06-28T05:02:27 < upgrdman> shit i melted lot of aluminum with my induction heater project
2017-06-28T05:02:37 < upgrdman> but ya, ferrous shit would heat more efficiently
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2017-06-28T05:24:43 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/xp2iq7chn76z.jpg
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2017-06-28T06:10:21 < englishman> Prosecutors say Shkreli misled investors about the size and performance of MSMB Capital Management, claiming that its returns were "+35.77% since inception" — when the fund had actually lost 18 percent. In another instance, he claimed the fund had $35 million in assets, when in fact it had less than $1,000 in assets.
2017-06-28T06:21:16 < machinehum> nice nice
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2017-06-28T09:09:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.imgur.com/V4Kq2bk.gifv
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2017-06-28T11:14:08 < mitrax> dongs: hey, in your experience is Walsin an ok brand for MLCCs?
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2017-06-28T11:16:16 < dongs> never heard of them, my shit has been like 99% samsung
2017-06-28T11:16:20 < dongs> and occasionally kemet
2017-06-28T11:16:26 < dongs> so i cant tell you :)
2017-06-28T11:16:47 < dongs> taiwanese
2017-06-28T11:16:50 < dongs> probably fine
2017-06-28T11:17:06 < mitrax> okay, thanks
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2017-06-28T11:27:23 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/new/Intel/intel-aero-ready-to-fly-drone/?cm_sp=homepage-_-newproducts-_-
2017-06-28T11:27:24 < ReadError> heh
2017-06-28T11:27:43 < ReadError> $1,173.75
2017-06-28T11:28:10 < ReadError> damn the atom board alone is 400
2017-06-28T11:29:01 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=33AqgSIO4a7rRjAEvPCh3Q%3d%3d
2017-06-28T11:29:13 < ReadError> bunch of video dev stuff now too
2017-06-28T11:29:40 < zyp> that's cute
2017-06-28T11:32:07 < ReadError> yea, guessing they are trying to do like image processing in the air ?\
2017-06-28T11:32:32 < ReadError> only reason why they would need such a beefy cpu on a small rig like that which comes to mind
2017-06-28T11:32:41 < zyp> obviously
2017-06-28T11:33:06 < zyp> the basic stuff should all run on the stm32 anyway
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2017-06-28T11:35:15 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5vjmDFZaI
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2017-06-28T12:21:16 < crt> classic pumper
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2017-06-28T12:23:02 < ReadError> 2 line pump chump
2017-06-28T12:23:29 < crt> sup
2017-06-28T12:26:39 < crt> not too much
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2017-06-28T12:41:07 < ReadError> you dont wanna purge ur queue until the ansi is complete, rude otherwise
2017-06-28T12:43:11 < dongs> dronecode? isnt that the KF troll project
2017-06-28T12:43:40 < ReadError> dronecode is the collective
2017-06-28T12:43:48 < ReadError> of 3dr, intel,
2017-06-28T12:43:56 < ReadError> some other companies
2017-06-28T12:43:57 < dongs> so KF?
2017-06-28T12:44:14 < ReadError> eh didnt think he had anything to do with it
2017-06-28T12:44:18 < dongs> k
2017-06-28T12:44:38 < ReadError> i thought tridge was on the board
2017-06-28T12:45:36 < ReadError> chris anderson seems to be tweeting about it nonstop
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2017-06-28T13:01:04 < crt> i've blown my brain hours
2017-06-28T13:01:51 < crt> now that's fun!
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2017-06-28T13:07:21 < crt> blame it on stffn
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2017-06-28T13:17:28 < Steffanx> Why me?
2017-06-28T13:17:45 < Steffanx> I wont pay for new pants btw, crt
2017-06-28T13:17:54 < Steffanx> When you get fat from waffles
2017-06-28T13:18:20 < crt> hi stfn
2017-06-28T13:19:30 < fest> any finns here? how far north should I have to go to see sun throughout the night?
2017-06-28T13:20:55 < crt> they blew it up
2017-06-28T13:23:57 < zyp> fest, north of the polar circle
2017-06-28T13:26:59 < zyp> ref. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Arctic_circle.svg
2017-06-28T13:27:00 < fest> hmm, about 900km from Helsinki
2017-06-28T13:35:19 < Thorn> why can't ST put at least a 4 byte FIFO into their UARTs
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2017-06-28T13:42:24 < karlp> englishman: rad sparknyan.  what's the spark thingy bit there?
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2017-06-28T13:47:20 < karlp> Thorn: what's going wrong now?
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2017-06-28T13:51:02 < jpa-> fest: yeah, polar circle if you want to see the sun surface; but it is pretty bright anywhere in finland throughout the night now
2017-06-28T13:53:21 < zyp> jpa-, speaking of finland, how's your schedule for next week?
2017-06-28T13:54:18 < jpa-> pretty empty
2017-06-28T13:55:37 < zyp> I'll be in finland from tuesday until wednesday the week after, will see when I'll have time to drop by
2017-06-28T13:56:30 < jpa-> yep, if you can notify me the day before that should be fine
2017-06-28T13:57:16 < jpa-> looks like next week will be rainy :)
2017-06-28T13:59:28 < zyp> will do
2017-06-28T14:15:19 < Thorn> karlp: nothing, just too many interrupts
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2017-06-28T14:19:56 < jpa-> Thorn: use dma?
2017-06-28T14:26:37 < Thorn> I have a ring buffer for tranmission
2017-06-28T14:27:17 < Thorn> I haven't yet looked into using dma with a ring buffer
2017-06-28T14:27:39 < karlp> how fast are you running that it's too many interrupts?
2017-06-28T14:28:18 < Thorn> my normal baud rate is 256k
2017-06-28T14:36:33 < dongs> dong buffer
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2017-06-28T14:44:30 < zyp> DMA with a ring buffer is what circular mode is for
2017-06-28T14:48:09 < Thorn> how do I maintain start and end pointers
2017-06-28T14:49:04 < Thorn> anyway I first need to need to read the RM again
2017-06-28T14:54:26 < dongs> do we have a real good example of that in zypsnips
2017-06-28T14:54:29 < dongs> without race conditions and shit
2017-06-28T14:54:41 < dongs> the uart dma buffer i use is full of races
2017-06-28T14:54:52 < dongs> i just fuck it cuz i never run it fast enough but one of these days its gonna fuck shit up
2017-06-28T14:58:32 < Thorn> I had to print a lot of debug info fast when I was debugging my usb driver (during enumeration)
2017-06-28T14:58:59 < dongs> yeah, my shit overruns buffer when i put data int int too fast.
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2017-06-28T15:02:15 < Thorn> so I had to use RingBuffer<8192> lol
2017-06-28T15:05:10 < zyp> that's what you get from using a uart without flow control or anything
2017-06-28T15:07:04 < Thorn> aiui flow control is useful when the receiver can't process data fast enough
2017-06-28T15:07:18 < Thorn> in my case the receiver is a terminal emulator on the host
2017-06-28T15:07:45 < dongs> how hard is nrf24 garbage to use
2017-06-28T15:07:56 < dongs> is there a PC dongle that just shows up as uart or something and has nrf24 on other end?
2017-06-28T15:08:20 < zyp> Thorn, fair point
2017-06-28T15:08:39 < zyp> although it's still essentially a flow control problem, since you're producing data faster than you can output it
2017-06-28T15:09:05 < zyp> and you can't slow down the logging so it won't overrun
2017-06-28T15:09:51 < Thorn> well yes if you consider print() to be the transmitter and the uart with its software buffer to be the receiver
2017-06-28T15:10:19 < zyp> yeah
2017-06-28T15:10:34 < zyp> can't blame the lack of hardware flow control anymore though
2017-06-28T15:11:32 < zyp> but I mean, for any basic flow problem you have like four solutions
2017-06-28T15:11:46 < zyp> 1. consume faster than you can produce
2017-06-28T15:12:01 < zyp> 2. slow down production to match consumption
2017-06-28T15:12:22 < zyp> 3. insert a buffer large enough to handle bursts
2017-06-28T15:12:28 < zyp> 4. drop excess data
2017-06-28T15:14:33 < zyp> usually 1 is the goal, 3 is a solution for when you temporarily don't meet it, 2 and 4 are final solutions
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2017-06-28T15:19:57 < dongs> the final solution
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2017-06-28T15:30:01 < dongs> theres no stm with wireless thats actually shipping and has a RM right?
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2017-06-28T15:49:00 < zyp> dongs, what about modules containing a stm32?
2017-06-28T15:50:44 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/f0/6d/14/bf/7c/d8/49/91/DM00133214.pdf/files/DM00133214.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00133214.pdf
2017-06-28T15:50:47 < zyp> for instance this shit
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2017-06-28T16:47:10 < englishman> karlp: just some dual-voice coil--- ah no, i mean dual-sparking $10 ebay electric cig lighter
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2017-06-28T17:00:39 < Laurenceb_> stargate series was shit
2017-06-28T17:00:39 < Laurenceb_> all the lead actors were terrible
2017-06-28T17:00:44  * Laurenceb_ runs away
2017-06-28T17:06:32 < Laurenceb_> chans have excellent taste in waifu http://imgur.com/wvVZMeR
2017-06-28T17:06:33 < Laurenceb_>  /s
2017-06-28T17:07:10 < Thorn> dongs: https://github.com/pthorn/nrf24l01
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2017-06-28T17:31:01 < karlp> englishman: what do you drive it with?
2017-06-28T17:31:37 < karlp> its like one of these? https://www.ebay.com/p/Lighter-USB-Rechargeable-Flameless-Windproof-Electric-Plasma-Dual-Arc-Cigarette/876356683?iid=262916563975
2017-06-28T17:33:25 < englishman> yes
2017-06-28T17:33:30 < englishman> just using timers on stm8s
2017-06-28T17:34:27 < Laurenceb_> I think I have a new conservation law: waifu weirdness conservation
2017-06-28T17:34:44 < Laurenceb_> waifus will always be at least as weird as their fanboys
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2017-06-28T18:20:15 < englishman> jesus fuck these taiwan retards
2017-06-28T18:20:27 < englishman> i link them part number, mfg and even digikey part number
2017-06-28T18:20:37 < englishman> "is this the right component plz confirm we need the spec"
2017-06-28T18:20:44 < englishman> motherfuck yes
2017-06-28T18:21:52 < englishman> they are starting to get rude too
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2017-06-28T18:30:23 < englishman> Don't eat raw cookie dough, Health Canada warns
2017-06-28T18:30:29 < englishman> feds can't control me
2017-06-28T18:57:30 < Steffanx> englishman has his rant day today?
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2017-06-28T18:59:49 < aandrew> my electronics.stackexchange.com score is 8086: http://imgur.com/a/uB1Gw
2017-06-28T19:00:59 < Rob235> if you have a two wheel bot and a stepper motor for each wheel and send them both the same data will it go in a straight line? or is that not an assumption you can make
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2017-06-28T19:04:16 < englishman> Steffanx: everyday
2017-06-28T19:04:52 < Steffanx> Today its more clear
2017-06-28T19:06:52 < Steffanx> Just ask crt for a wafflw
2017-06-28T19:06:55 < Steffanx> Waffle
2017-06-28T19:07:15 < Steffanx> He just got a new stash
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2017-06-28T19:27:48 < kakimir> I should send steffan uncle something
2017-06-28T19:28:21 < kakimir> you have anything in mind?
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2017-06-28T19:37:36 < kakimir> Reindeer meat
2017-06-28T19:37:45 < kakimir> vodka
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2017-06-28T20:04:08 < Steffanx> Youre not really allowed to send any of that by post
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2017-06-28T20:05:39 < kakimir> Canned
2017-06-28T20:05:44 < kakimir> and bottled
2017-06-28T20:07:08 < BrainDamage> most countries have state taxes on alcohol, importing a bottle of vodka might end up a rather pricy gift
2017-06-28T20:09:36 < Steffanx> Reminds me when i bought vodka in finland. I bought it illegally because i wasn't 21 yet, but they didnt seem to care much.
2017-06-28T20:09:58 < Steffanx> or whatever age you were required to have
2017-06-28T20:12:58 < BrainDamage> I'm always surprised how much regulation is there for alcohol in other states, here you can buy all sort of booze in supermarkets
2017-06-28T20:14:25 < Steffanx> And no need to be 16+ ( or 18+ like in dutchland)
2017-06-28T20:15:09 < BrainDamage> when I was a teenager here it was 16+, eversince it changed to 18+
2017-06-28T20:17:16 < gxti> i'm surprised it's 21 in finland
2017-06-28T20:18:13 < BrainDamage> they have problems with alcoholism there, the consumption is not too far off eu's average, but death by alcoholism is one of the highest in the western world
2017-06-28T20:19:14 < gxti> well they probably have different issues than the US does but i can tell you that the 21 minimum in the US and a mismash of local laws like "no sales before noon on sunday because jesus is watching" doesn't do much for our drunk driving fatality record
2017-06-28T20:20:51 < Steffanx> At least drunk driving is punished much harder there.
2017-06-28T20:21:16 < gxti> depends on how expensive your lawyer is
2017-06-28T20:21:58 < gxti> but yes, unlike 90% of the other shit we throw people into prison for here, habitual drunk driving is not one i'm against
2017-06-28T20:25:32 < Steffanx> :)
2017-06-28T20:25:56 < gnom> hi all
2017-06-28T20:26:43 < gnom> whether there is a hal+ugfx template
2017-06-28T20:27:37 < gnom> I can't connect ugfx library
2017-06-28T20:33:49 < gnom> give please example stm32 + ugfx
2017-06-28T20:38:57 < gnom> thanks all
2017-06-28T20:39:01 < gnom> https://community.ugfx.io/files/file/12-stm32f746g-discovery-template-baremetal-makefile/
2017-06-28T20:39:04 < gnom> oh thanks i am found
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2017-06-28T20:45:03 < Thorn> how to stop DMA in circular mode from running over the end of data available in a circular buffer? there is no "end" pointer in the hardware and you can't use the dma complete interrupt
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2017-06-28T20:46:26 < Thorn> seems like they want you to set NDTR to the size of the buffer and there is no counter of data items actually transferred
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2017-06-28T20:56:53 < upgrdman> lol china  http://time.com/4836322/china-flight-delay-coins-engine/
2017-06-28T20:57:20 < upgrdman> i hope some idiot doesnt do that the next time i fly out of PVG
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2017-06-28T21:07:31 < zyp> Thorn, which part?
2017-06-28T21:08:46 < zyp> on the peripheral in F4, reading NDTR will give you remaining count
2017-06-28T21:09:09 < zyp> i.e. you can view it as a decrementing counter
2017-06-28T21:09:15 < ohsix> https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/27/augmented-reality-studio-castar-shuts-down/
2017-06-28T21:09:30 < ohsix> dang, 70 employees with any in palo alto is a lot of overhead, who was giving them money
2017-06-28T21:12:28 < Thorn> zyp: yes but what happens when it reaches 0
2017-06-28T21:14:09 < zyp> have you even tried reading the RM?
2017-06-28T21:14:11 < zyp> Once the transfer has completed, this register can either stay at zero (when the stream is in normal mode) or be reloaded automatically with the previously programmed value in the following cases:
2017-06-28T21:14:15 < zyp> – when the stream is configured in Circular mode.
2017-06-28T21:14:17 < zyp> – when the stream is enabled again by setting EN bit to '1'
2017-06-28T21:15:07 < englishman> ohsix: i know right? i checked out microsoft's history, they surpassed 150 million installs of MSDOS before they had 70 employees
2017-06-28T21:15:10 < englishman> i wonder wtf they were doing
2017-06-28T21:15:30 < englishman> that is a ton of people
2017-06-28T21:25:22 < ohsix> englishman: making content for the thing apparently, maybe a little 'hire your friends while you've got vc'
2017-06-28T21:28:20 < ohsix> i thought they were still a small & agile skunkworks
2017-06-28T21:28:40 < ohsix> apple arkit must have been the final straw for the vcs
2017-06-28T21:30:02 < ohsix> things are still all shit, but now that it's available as a 'feature' and from the os, there's going to be a lot more people just trying shit
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2017-06-28T21:45:16 < Thorn> zyp: how does this auto reloading help with a ring buffer? say I have a 16 byte long buffer, 3 bytes of data arrive. I write MAR=&buf[0]; NTDR=3; and start the stream. while it is running 2 more bytes of data arrive and are written after the 3 (starting at buf[3]). why do I need to auto reload NTDR?
2017-06-28T21:47:25 < zyp> huh?
2017-06-28T21:48:21 < zyp> Thorn, first off, is this about uart rx or uart tx?
2017-06-28T21:48:26 < Thorn> or should I set NTDR to 16 (but how do I stop it after 3 bytes then?)
2017-06-28T21:48:29 < Thorn> TX
2017-06-28T21:49:05 < zyp> oh, right, I thought you were talking about rx
2017-06-28T21:49:16 < zyp> for tx you wouldn't use circular mode
2017-06-28T21:50:26 < Thorn> btw SPI has 4 byte FIFOs in F0
2017-06-28T21:50:45 < zyp> for tx you just schedule a dma job for the segment that's currently in the buffer, then once the dma job completes, you advance the pointer
2017-06-28T21:52:50 < Thorn> and if the data wraps around the buffer I need 2 DMA jobs
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2017-06-28T21:53:37 < zyp> yes
2017-06-28T21:53:40 < Thorn> e.g. start pointer was @ 14, print("shit\n); -> buf[14, 15, 0, 1, 2, 3]
2017-06-28T21:54:17 < zyp> just do something like if(!dma_running() && data_in_buffer()) { start_dma(); } and call that periodically
2017-06-28T21:55:16 < Thorn> I have an API that print() uses https://github.com/pthorn/safe-formatted-print/blob/master/include/fmt.h#L13
2017-06-28T21:55:25 < zyp> you don't have to special case wraparound, just treat that the same way as if one job terminates and more data arrived while it were running
2017-06-28T21:55:37 < Thorn> it calls complete() after writing all its characters
2017-06-28T21:56:05 < Thorn> currently it enables the TXNE interrupt
2017-06-28T21:56:15 < Thorn> with DMA, it will start DMA
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2017-06-28T21:56:54 < zyp> that's nice
2017-06-28T21:57:10 < zyp> alternatively you could make a tri-pointer buffer
2017-06-28T21:58:18 < Thorn> *TXE interrupt
2017-06-28T21:58:20 < Rob235> ive never used a stepper motor, is this a good driver? http://www.ebay.com/itm/TB6560-3A-CNC-Router-Single-1-Axis-Controller-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Module/302277044154
2017-06-28T21:58:21 < Rob235> for https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10846
2017-06-28T21:58:42 < zyp> one actual write pointer, one «written» pointer that you advance from complete()
2017-06-28T21:58:56 < zyp> and the read pointer that you feed to DMA
2017-06-28T21:59:53 < zyp> then free area is between write and read, ready to write area is between read and written and allocated but pending area is between written and write
2017-06-28T22:00:51 < zyp> that way the DMA control task only needs to look at the read/written pointers, doesn't have to be coupled to the complete call
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2017-06-28T22:21:26 < Thorn> I do something like that in my stm32 audio player project for streaming data from spi flash
2017-06-28T22:21:45 < Thorn> it's double buffers, not a ring buffer though
2017-06-28T22:22:02 < Rob235> how about this guy? https://www.pololu.com/product/2970
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2017-06-28T23:15:32 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/ISmk1j6z-z8?t=4m21s
2017-06-28T23:27:32 < Steffanx> Damn yankees.
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2017-06-28T23:47:37 < karlp> Thorn: what I've seen in a quad usb-uart thingy was dual dma buffers for each port for tx, filling the spare while the other is transmitting,
2017-06-28T23:48:29 < karlp> and an rx dma job aiming to collect 16/32 whatever bytes, and a timer that will timeout and read in whatever has been received
2017-06-28T23:49:03 < Thorn> actually it looks like my current implementation is more memory efficient because it moves the write pointer after each character is transmitted, so it will lose less data (or block less)
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2017-06-28T23:53:29 < Thorn> but it's much less CPU efficient
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2017-06-28T23:59:24 < Rob235> what should my problem statement be for building a drone?
2017-06-28T23:59:34 < Rob235> its already been done before so I'm not sure what to put
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2017-06-29T00:00:30 < Thorn> "This project was sponsored in part by Pornhub"
2017-06-29T00:01:19 < Rob235> good idea
2017-06-29T00:01:23 < Rob235> that solves everything
2017-06-29T00:02:03 < Rob235> ugh I'm so lazy, I havent done shit today and I only have to fill up another couple pages for now
2017-06-29T00:02:31 < Rob235> actually I was planning out my next stm32 project
2017-06-29T00:02:37 < Rob235> but nothing school related
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2017-06-29T01:07:12 < crt> Hello welcome!!
2017-06-29T01:08:42 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ku58Pmh.jpg
2017-06-29T01:14:28 < Thorn> can I use a 29-bit polynomial from https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/crc/index.html for a 32-bit CRC?
2017-06-29T01:43:05 < crt> Lol englishman
2017-06-29T01:44:18 < Laurenceb_> help prevent teenage pregnancy: introduce your teenagers to 4chan today
2017-06-29T01:48:17 < crt> SiC diode
2017-06-29T01:59:39 < Laurenceb_> https://pics.me.me/grenfell-tower-memorial-candle-hey-have-you-heard-about-the-23331061.png
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2017-06-29T02:15:44 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/9Bv3XOc
2017-06-29T02:15:53 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to hell for that
2017-06-29T02:25:53 < dongs> what the fuck is that shit
2017-06-29T02:25:57 < dongs> post something funny, nigger
2017-06-29T02:27:59 < bitrot> http://inspirobot.me/
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2017-06-29T02:49:06 < dongs> first thing it generated for me: you should be more friendly today
2017-06-29T02:57:34 < englishman> dongs, finally fixed feeders http://i.imgur.com/oMmZONM.jpg
2017-06-29T02:58:48 < dongs> haha from bumping parts?
2017-06-29T02:58:59 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-29T02:59:12 < englishman> these feeders are fucking trash
2017-06-29T02:59:23 < dongs> i wonder if real jap one would be less trash
2017-06-29T02:59:29 < dongs> and chink clone is inferior
2017-06-29T02:59:37 < englishman> it really looks like a design flaw
2017-06-29T02:59:47 < dongs> nothign you can 3d print to unfuck it?
2017-06-29T02:59:53 < englishman> rubberbands work
2017-06-29T02:59:56 < englishman> not touching anymore
2017-06-29T03:00:21 < englishman> dicknplaced all day without problems
2017-06-29T03:00:28 < dongs> cool
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2017-06-29T03:53:03 < kakimir> how to buy fuses for multimeter?
2017-06-29T03:53:58 < kakimir> I blew the 10A fuse and I think a blew it second time right after replacing it with some sandless basic shitte
2017-06-29T03:54:35 < dongs> kakimir: try not to measuer voltage when shit is conencted into A/GND
2017-06-29T03:57:11 < kakimir> yes
2017-06-29T03:57:18 < kakimir> first time that happend
2017-06-29T03:57:23 < dongs> Lol
2017-06-29T03:57:37 < kakimir> then I measured some under 10A current but I think fuse was too fast
2017-06-29T03:58:03 < kakimir> it went ded instantly
2017-06-29T04:00:44 < kakimir> so should I buy some real SIBA or similar brand and sand filled?
2017-06-29T04:00:58 < kakimir> mine are 70s legacy
2017-06-29T04:01:30 < kakimir> in some glue has gone bad and endcaps fall off
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2017-06-29T04:16:21 < dongs> i just took some soldering wick
2017-06-29T04:16:27 < dongs> and wrapped it around the exploded fuse
2017-06-29T04:19:50 < kakimir> are you serious?
2017-06-29T04:19:55 < dongs> englishman: what was the reflow you went with?
2017-06-29T04:19:59 < dongs> pal needs a replacement with zones
2017-06-29T04:20:06 < englishman> china trash
2017-06-29T04:20:10 < dongs> eys which one
2017-06-29T04:20:16 < englishman> T960
2017-06-29T04:20:23 < dongs> k so same shir we're looking at
2017-06-29T04:20:23 < englishman> but
2017-06-29T04:20:29 < englishman> i heard the Torch is supposed to be better
2017-06-29T04:20:30 < dongs> i think ehs looking at 961
2017-06-29T04:20:31 < englishman> (for chiantrash)
2017-06-29T04:20:48 < dongs> yop mean shit like R350?
2017-06-29T04:21:01 < englishman> dono
2017-06-29T04:21:04 < dongs> kay
2017-06-29T04:21:11 < dongs> anyway 960/61 is probly just fine
2017-06-29T04:22:02 < englishman> works for me
2017-06-29T04:22:08 < englishman> have to really crank it for rohs
2017-06-29T04:22:18 < englishman> but boards look awesome
2017-06-29T04:25:48 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXNCJiDzhWs
2017-06-29T04:28:21 < englishman> torch is a few more bux i guess
2017-06-29T04:28:31 < englishman> looks like the same crap
2017-06-29T04:28:41 < dongs> R350? ya probly same
2017-06-29T04:28:47 < dongs> the reason hes after a new one
2017-06-29T04:28:50 < kakimir> linus is someone you should not piss off
2017-06-29T04:28:55 < dongs> PID controller blew up few years ago
2017-06-29T04:28:59 < dongs> and he got replacement shit from torch
2017-06-29T04:29:04 < dongs> but since the profiels are stored there
2017-06-29T04:29:14 < dongs> the "new" one doesnt work wiht wahtever aids faggot software that came with old one
2017-06-29T04:29:19 < dongs> and they have no idea which version actualyl works
2017-06-29T04:29:25 < dongs> so tehres no way to cahnge profile from default shit
2017-06-29T04:29:38 < englishman> so it literally needs pid tuning
2017-06-29T04:29:53 < dongs> nah PID as in whatever teh fuck that thing with 7seg and start/stop buttons
2017-06-29T04:30:01 < englishman> oh
2017-06-29T04:30:08 < englishman> so they can't replace parts is all
2017-06-29T04:30:13 < dongs> the main control box
2017-06-29T04:30:16 < englishman> yeah
2017-06-29T04:30:22 < englishman> i dono it's pretty simple stuff
2017-06-29T04:30:25 < englishman> some ssrs and shit
2017-06-29T04:30:39 < englishman> surely whatever controlbox could be hacked into it?
2017-06-29T04:30:46 < dongs> definitely
2017-06-29T04:30:51 < dongs> probably with better performance too
2017-06-29T04:31:17 < englishman> btw i'm taking business away from chinks
2017-06-29T04:31:27 < englishman> this taiwan house they contracted with is out to lunch
2017-06-29T04:31:40 < dongs> ya? cuz you can PCBA in 24h instead of 24 days like chinashit?
2017-06-29T04:31:41 < englishman> asking for $$$$$$ and wanting to make test jigs and stuff for 50 boards
2017-06-29T04:31:50 < englishman> and say august delivery
2017-06-29T04:31:58 < englishman> im like yah you can have this next fridy
2017-06-29T04:32:30 < aandrew> so. I'm looking for a USB3 hub that actually supports multiple bus instances, particularly with USB2
2017-06-29T04:32:39 < dongs> MTT usb3 hub?
2017-06-29T04:32:52 < aandrew> i.e. an 8 port switch that has 6 bus instances so I can actually get 480Mbps per port
2017-06-29T04:32:57 < aandrew> MTT?
2017-06-29T04:32:59 < dongs> doesnt exist
2017-06-29T04:33:03 < englishman> wat
2017-06-29T04:33:37 < dongs> USB2 is completely separate from USB3, it just hubs usb2 traffic the same way 2.0 hub would
2017-06-29T04:33:42 < aandrew> yes I know
2017-06-29T04:33:44 < dongs> you dont get any more bandwidth from usb3 uplink
2017-06-29T04:33:49 < aandrew> but the spec allows for multiple bus instances
2017-06-29T04:33:58 < aandrew> which would allow for that (I think)
2017-06-29T04:36:00 < aandrew> hm, I don't think that'll help at all actually
2017-06-29T04:36:01 < dongs> aandrew: me and zyp looked for this ~years ago
2017-06-29T04:36:05 < dongs> and found some taiwan company
2017-06-29T04:36:08 < dongs> selling a printer sharing hub
2017-06-29T04:36:10 < dongs> that had 3.0 uplink
2017-06-29T04:36:13 < dongs> and 2.0 x ?? ports
2017-06-29T04:36:16 < dongs> at full speed
2017-06-29T04:36:20 < dongs> iirc it was some custom shit/  fpga
2017-06-29T04:36:22 < dongs> and $$ as fuck
2017-06-29T04:36:22 < aandrew> if I have a usb3 hub that has bus instances I still have only one usb2 uplink
2017-06-29T04:36:24 < aandrew> so it wouldn't matter
2017-06-29T04:36:37 < aandrew> yeah
2017-06-29T04:38:51 < aandrew> the only way to do it would be to break the 2.0 uplink so only 3 was there but then your hub itself needs to be weird
2017-06-29T04:40:19 < dongs> http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/ICs/FT600.html huh ididnt know this existed
2017-06-29T04:40:43 < dongs> i guess it was only a matter of time before thier fifo trash became usb3
2017-06-29T04:41:15 < dongs> Supports 2 parallel slave FIFO bus protocols, with data bursting rate up to 400MBps
2017-06-29T04:41:18 < englishman> there you go aandrew
2017-06-29T04:41:20 < englishman> get one of those
2017-06-29T04:41:23 < dongs> 400megabytes?
2017-06-29T04:41:25 < englishman> and bitbang usb2 high speed
2017-06-29T04:41:26 < dongs> or megabit
2017-06-29T04:41:35 < dongs> this trash naming always confuses me
2017-06-29T04:42:22 < aandrew> FX3 has been around for years and it's good stuff
2017-06-29T04:42:31 < dongs> you need GNU TOOLS to develop for fx3
2017-06-29T04:42:39 < dongs> fuck right off
2017-06-29T04:42:46 < aandrew> weaksauce ARM7TDMI but the GPIF and USB3 SIE can do 5Gbps sustained for hours
2017-06-29T04:43:43 < aandrew> nah the FTDI chip won't do it
2017-06-29T04:44:12 < aandrew> I'm trying to use stupid USB2 devices off of ONE USB3 connection to the PC without saturating the USB2 sub-port or whatever you want to call it
2017-06-29T04:48:42 < dongs> yeah
2017-06-29T04:48:54 < dongs> this is definitely a market that hasnt been attacked by kickstarter yet
2017-06-29T04:49:01 < dongs> you can be firsat
2017-06-29T04:49:05 < dongs> to deliver a half-assed product
2017-06-29T04:53:19 < aandrew> lol
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2017-06-29T05:00:45 < dongs> englishman: theres T960, 960e, 960W
2017-06-29T05:00:51 < dongs> the fuck is the difference
2017-06-29T05:01:08 < dongs> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/SPEC/942/K1147206942.pdf
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2017-06-29T05:02:41 < upgrdman> R2COM: https://www.reddit.com/r/hmmm/comments/6k1dnk/hmmm/
2017-06-29T05:02:46 < upgrdman> fuck, he isn't here :/
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2017-06-29T05:41:06 < dongs> why the fuck is there no 1 : many hdmi switch
2017-06-29T05:41:29 < dongs> hmm, thre's splitters
2017-06-29T05:41:34 < dongs> i dont really care about same data on all cahnnels tho
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2017-06-29T05:54:29 < crt> bits
2017-06-29T05:54:44 < englishman> dongs: wtf they are literally all the same
2017-06-29T05:54:48 < dongs> Lol
2017-06-29T05:54:48 < englishman> dono if mine does 350C tho
2017-06-29T05:54:54 < dongs> err, don't tehy all
2017-06-29T05:55:05 < englishman> not 960 without suffix
2017-06-29T05:55:09 < englishman> according to that sheet
2017-06-29T05:55:23 < englishman> n e way im doing rohs on big boards and dont have it set that high
2017-06-29T05:55:35 < englishman> not big like motherboards but big enough
2017-06-29T05:56:23 < crt> this week in pumping - melted cdj2000 SD card doors
2017-06-29T05:58:24 < crt> just spill your drink and clean it up with a heat gun
2017-06-29T05:58:45 < crt> then i can order 20 plastic assemblies nobody has ever purchased in au
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2017-06-29T06:09:16 < dale6998> hey, what's up?
2017-06-29T06:12:20 < dongs> blogging
2017-06-29T06:12:25 < dongs> how many STNM32s have you burned today
2017-06-29T06:13:07 < englishman> none, moved everything to edison
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2017-06-29T06:19:34 < dale6998> would you guys be willing to take a look at some simple timer code?  I'm seeing each pulse twice, and i'm not sure why
2017-06-29T06:22:05 < Kitlith> dongs, just curious, what do you find so terrible about GNU tools?
2017-06-29T06:22:40 < upgrdman> Kitlith, dongie likes to rage about anything free or open source.
2017-06-29T06:22:50 < upgrdman> don't take it to heart
2017-06-29T06:23:22 < Kitlith> heh, I was just looking through backlog, and saw that comment.
2017-06-29T06:24:22 < Kitlith> more general question, then: what do you have against F/OSS software?
2017-06-29T06:24:35 < Kitlith> I'm just interested in seeing the viewpoint.
2017-06-29T06:24:49 < dongs> its just shit
2017-06-29T06:24:52 < dongs> never works
2017-06-29T06:24:53 < dongs> etc.
2017-06-29T06:26:18 < Kitlith> What experiences have you had that taught you that it never works?
2017-06-29T06:28:18 < Kitlith> aandrew, I'm a little late, but would something like usb 2 -> pci-e -> thunderbolt 3 -> usb c work?
2017-06-29T06:28:24 < dongs> turn on computer
2017-06-29T06:28:26 < dongs> install lunix
2017-06-29T06:28:31 < dongs> power management: doesnt work
2017-06-29T06:28:31 < upgrdman> cry
2017-06-29T06:28:33 < dongs> gpu: doesnt work
2017-06-29T06:28:37 < dongs> sound: doesnt work
2017-06-29T06:28:41 < dongs> standby/suspend : doesnt work
2017-06-29T06:28:45 < dongs> unplug mouse / plug back in : doesnt work
2017-06-29T06:28:52 < dongs> like, fucking nothign works
2017-06-29T06:28:54 < dongs> and its 2017
2017-06-29T06:30:29 < Kitlith> It's funny you should say that... even my wacom blasted tablet works. Haven't used windows (except for specialized circumstances) for several years.
2017-06-29T06:30:36 < Kitlith> not trying to argue, ofc.
2017-06-29T06:30:55 < Kitlith> I acknowledge that there are issues.
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2017-06-29T06:32:14 < Kitlith> but everything has issues.
2017-06-29T06:32:30 < upgrdman> Kitlith, what was your orig gnu question? needed up getting the toolchain working?
2017-06-29T06:32:58 < Kitlith> wasn't my question. just happened to be reading backlog.
2017-06-29T06:33:09 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-06-29T06:34:07 < Kitlith> looks like aandrew mentioned the fx3, and then dongs derided it because needing GNU tools.
2017-06-29T06:34:35 < englishman> Kitlith: you know dongs was a pro kernel and lunix desktop developer for years right
2017-06-29T06:34:48 < englishman> he is in an excellent position to complain about lunix being crap
2017-06-29T06:35:31 < dale6998> can you take a look at the Src/stm32f4xx_it.c?  I'm seeing two pulses each time, but I have no idea why...I think it's a timer prescaler problem, but I'm not 100% sure..
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2017-06-29T06:36:29 < dale6998> https://github.com/dale6998/NeoPixle/tree/master/Src
2017-06-29T06:38:53 < Kitlith> englishman, I was not aware, (good to know,) and I agree that linux / FOSS can be shit. My point still stands that everything else is also often shit, if in different ways.
2017-06-29T06:38:55 < dongs> i wonder whose fucking idea was it to make a shit_it.c
2017-06-29T06:38:58 < dongs> and put interrupts there
2017-06-29T06:39:05 < dongs> like, theres absolutely NO REASON FOR IT TO BE A SEAPRATE FILE
2017-06-29T06:39:14 < dongs> it might haev been in like arm7tdmi or some other shit
2017-06-29T06:39:18 < dongs> wehre you needed fucking asm jumps for interrupts
2017-06-29T06:39:23 < dongs> and maybe needed different compiler options or some fuck
2017-06-29T06:39:27 < dongs> but FUCK DOING THIS ON MODERN MCUS
2017-06-29T06:41:27 < crt> woofer?
2017-06-29T06:41:48 < englishman> dale6998: isnt the ccr value loaded in only after the next timer cycle
2017-06-29T06:42:00 < crt> not using leelooHAL senpai?
2017-06-29T06:42:30 < englishman> so that interrupt fires, timer is still running, you load in new value, on next isr it loads the new value
2017-06-29T06:42:59 < englishman> i dono if your neodixel can be done that way, without stopping and restarting the timer
2017-06-29T06:43:02 < englishman> and without dma
2017-06-29T06:43:23 < dongs> yeah why are you not using Dma
2017-06-29T06:43:25 < dongs> wtf
2017-06-29T06:43:55 < englishman> yea wouldnt this interrupt fire after every bit is clocked out
2017-06-29T06:47:20 < englishman> also you aren't checking for interrupt type? i believe most can trigger on cc, overflow, etc
2017-06-29T06:47:25 < englishman> there are handlers for that in the hal code
2017-06-29T06:47:58 < dale6998> i dont know how to use dma...i'm doing baby steps!  lol
2017-06-29T06:48:01 < englishman> iirc
2017-06-29T06:48:09 < dongs> thre are just things you cannot do without it
2017-06-29T06:48:12 < dongs> this is one of them
2017-06-29T06:48:20 < dongs> so figure out something else if you wanna test timers
2017-06-29T06:49:07 < dale6998> i thought this did trigger on overflow...and that's when i'd stuff a new CCR4 value in there
2017-06-29T06:49:26 < dongs> think about it
2017-06-29T06:49:28 < dongs> 800khz timer
2017-06-29T06:49:33 < dale6998> ok
2017-06-29T06:49:38 < dongs> thats gonna be a fuckload of overflows
2017-06-29T06:50:35 < dongs> 84mhz/800khz is only 105x more
2017-06-29T06:50:52 < dongs> you just dont have processor resources to dick with changing stuff at such high rate
2017-06-29T06:51:10 < dongs> this is why you make string buffer in ram and DMA it
2017-06-29T06:52:03 < dale6998> ok..so, dma...let's talk about that
2017-06-29T06:52:04 < dongs> string = led string
2017-06-29T06:53:09 < dongs> http://www.martinhubacek.cz/arm/improved-stm32-ws2812b-library some background of different ways of doing it
2017-06-29T06:53:58 < dale6998> oh yeah, this guy...i've got this page bookmarked!
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2017-06-29T07:08:55 < crt> classic pumped dog
2017-06-29T07:09:01 < crt> recone day o,O
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2017-06-29T07:28:43 < dale6998> i did clone the repo, but i couldn't get it to compile with gcc
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2017-06-29T07:59:50 < upgrdman> R2COM: https://www.reddit.com/r/hmmm/comments/6k1dnk/hmmm/
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2017-06-29T08:17:03 < Rob235> it only took 15 years but I'm finally gonna graduate this year... I'm actually getting my work done so I wont be dropping any of my last 3 classes :)
2017-06-29T08:17:04 < Rob235> 2 more months
2017-06-29T08:30:12 < upgrdman> Rob235, what deg
2017-06-29T08:32:11 < dongs> chatting
2017-06-29T08:32:26 < upgrdman> masters in debating
2017-06-29T08:33:13 < Rob235> comp sci
2017-06-29T08:33:33 < upgrdman> what lang are they teaching CS in these days
2017-06-29T08:33:40 < dongs> probably pthon
2017-06-29T08:33:42 < upgrdman> was c++/java a few years ago at my uni
2017-06-29T08:33:43 < dongs> python
2017-06-29T08:33:44 < dongs> or ruby
2017-06-29T08:33:45 < Rob235> java usually
2017-06-29T08:33:50 < dongs> leaving you utterly useless for any kind of real work
2017-06-29T08:35:15 < Rob235> it was java at my real uni before I dropped out around 2007, I'm finishing up at an online uni now which offers multiple languages, c, c++, asm, I think they added python and java now
2017-06-29T08:35:23 < Rob235> and R which I have no idea what is
2017-06-29T08:36:23 < Rob235> ive taken c, c++, asm, operating systems, and now taking my last cs course, AI
2017-06-29T08:36:30 < Rob235> the rest I took at rutgers
2017-06-29T08:37:25 < Rob235> its stupid ethics and my senior capstone that suck this semester
2017-06-29T08:37:46 < ReadError> sell dope 💰 💸 fuck hoes 👩🏿 🙆🏿 rock ice 💠 💎 throwing up gang signs 👌🏿 🖕🏿 👐🏿  mob life ‼️
2017-06-29T08:38:33 < Rob235> since when are there emojis on irc
2017-06-29T08:38:44 < ReadError> its been in unicode for a while
2017-06-29T08:39:01 < Rob235> weird
2017-06-29T08:39:09 < Rob235> had no idea
2017-06-29T08:40:45 < ReadError> yea your not chatting at peak performance without emoji
2017-06-29T08:41:22 < englishman> 🔯
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2017-06-29T08:46:45 < englishman> http://www.abc15.com/news/national/pregnant-woman-shoots-kills-boyfriend-in-youtube-stunt
2017-06-29T08:46:56 < dongs> is it on youtube
2017-06-29T08:47:03 < dongs> wheres the video
2017-06-29T08:47:28 < englishman> no :(
2017-06-29T08:47:54 < Rob235> ֍ ០ᛣ០  ᢆᢆᢆᢆᢆ  ┌────────┐   ♋♋♋♋♋♋  8=====D♌♌♌♌♌♌♌  ⛲
2017-06-29T08:48:37 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYqSxhPHNYCLnt6pgUq-pJA/videos
2017-06-29T08:48:42 < dongs> this is her jewtube channel apaprently
2017-06-29T08:49:29 < englishman> <2000 subs
2017-06-29T08:49:49 < dongs> gonna have a lot more now
2017-06-29T08:50:36 < englishman> not if they dont make more CRAZY content!!!!!!!!!
2017-06-29T08:54:53 < Steffanx> 🤡
2017-06-29T09:02:37 < dongs> dongs
2017-06-29T09:04:23 < ReadError> Rob235: does your emoji support skintones ?
2017-06-29T09:04:46 < ReadError> because not everyone is yellow.
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2017-06-29T09:48:04 < crt> testing a sub with ddos king
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2017-06-29T10:04:46 < ohsix> fedex/tnt hit with randsomware
2017-06-29T10:04:55 < ohsix> oof
2017-06-29T10:05:25 < ohsix> -d
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2017-06-29T10:11:43 < crt> the fucken dogs
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2017-06-29T10:23:03 < ReadError> aye can go slabaknob
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2017-06-29T10:56:19 < dongs> pump n dump
2017-06-29T10:56:46 < dongs> typical crt activity
2017-06-29T11:17:27 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/file/136236/download
2017-06-29T11:17:28 < dongs> nice
2017-06-29T11:17:35 < dongs> thanks R2COM
2017-06-29T11:27:24 < zyp> didn't know R2COM were indian
2017-06-29T11:28:42 < dongs> is tehre an author on that pdf?
2017-06-29T11:29:03 < dongs> o yeah changelog
2017-06-29T11:29:04 < dongs> all pakis
2017-06-29T11:29:38 < dongs> page 10, how the fuck doe this work?
2017-06-29T11:29:47 < dongs> the bottom via will just short entire antenna thing to ground??
2017-06-29T11:29:53 < zyp> yes
2017-06-29T11:29:57 < dongs> or is this one of those RF MAGIC(tm) things
2017-06-29T11:30:00 < zyp> yes
2017-06-29T11:30:28 < zyp> it's a tuned inductance to ground
2017-06-29T11:30:46 < dongs> wow~
2017-06-29T11:31:29 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/DheuF.jpg <- similar to this shit
2017-06-29T11:31:58 < dongs> neat
2017-06-29T11:32:03 < zyp> you see the feedline in the middle and right side loops right back to ground, forming an inductor, left side is the radiator
2017-06-29T11:32:37 < dongs> so cool
2017-06-29T11:32:49 < dongs> this shit isnt gonna work on the first try is it
2017-06-29T11:32:55 < zyp> this is the shit I did in uni, antenna design was copied for something my RF prof did for a company
2017-06-29T11:33:02 < zyp> from*
2017-06-29T11:34:06 < zyp> eh, it should work so-so as is, to get it optimal you should probably tune it with a VNA since ground plane shape and enclosure and everything detunes it
2017-06-29T11:34:09 < dongs> FILENAME=J:\EV_Platform\Bullfinch_Module\nRF24L01_Bullfinch_2
2017-06-29T11:34:30 < dongs> nice bits of info in nrf pcb docs
2017-06-29T11:34:59 < zyp> you see the last segment on the radiator on my antenna? we had to extend that a bit from the original design
2017-06-29T11:35:22 < dongs> you mean the going down one?
2017-06-29T11:35:25 < dongs> after jaggies
2017-06-29T11:35:33 < zyp> yes
2017-06-29T11:35:41 < zyp> the way we did it was by etching a dummy of our board, with just the ground plane and antenna, with an extra long tip
2017-06-29T11:35:58 < zyp> then we hooked it up to a VNA and stuck it in an enclosure and tested it
2017-06-29T11:36:13 < zyp> then cut the tip down until we hit the right frequency
2017-06-29T11:36:35 < zyp> then measured it and put the length back into the pcb design
2017-06-29T11:36:36 < dongs> fook
2017-06-29T11:36:41 < dongs> nrf reference deisgn pcb antenna
2017-06-29T11:36:42 < dongs> is just
2017-06-29T11:37:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/k39zoRD.png
2017-06-29T11:37:24 < dongs> but i like the footprint and vcc under it
2017-06-29T11:37:26 < dongs> stealing that.
2017-06-29T11:37:35 < zyp> it's all the same shit anyway
2017-06-29T11:37:56 < dongs> tghat oine doesnt short to ground
2017-06-29T11:37:56 < zyp> antenna layouts should be interchangeable, they should all be designed for a 50 ohm impedance at the feedpoint
2017-06-29T11:38:29 < zyp> some are probably better than others
2017-06-29T11:40:52 < zyp> the one that my RF prof designed was optimized to be resistant to detuning when held close to a human body (IIRC it was originally designed for some medical monitoring shit that would be strapped to the body)
2017-06-29T11:41:21 < dongs> this is on edge of ID-1 card
2017-06-29T11:41:29 < dongs> probly hanging in open space
2017-06-29T11:41:40 < zyp> yeah, that should be less critical
2017-06-29T11:42:13 < zyp> the point of the meandered F stuff is to consume less area IIRC
2017-06-29T11:42:27 < dongs> yeah
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2017-06-29T11:42:46 < zyp> which is why it's common
2017-06-29T11:43:59 < zyp> also radiation patterns and shit
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2017-06-29T11:46:34 < zyp> of course, if you have a VNA, you could probably just draw a dickbutt, hook a feedline to it and tune it until it works
2017-06-29T11:46:42 < deshipu> tre triangle one on the pi zero is fun
2017-06-29T11:46:46 < deshipu> the*
2017-06-29T11:46:51 < dongs> mm, dickbutt antenna
2017-06-29T11:46:56 < dongs> now thats a REAL innovation
2017-06-29T11:47:17 < dongs> boss: this antenna offends me
2017-06-29T11:47:18 < zyp> http://colinkarpfinger.com/blog/2010/the-dropouts-guide-to-antenna-design/
2017-06-29T11:47:21 < dongs> me: ok, hire someone to re-tune it
2017-06-29T11:48:26 < dongs> oh
2017-06-29T11:48:34 < dongs> zyp, so that shit-shaped nrf antenna is actually a good layout?
2017-06-29T11:48:47 < zyp> idk
2017-06-29T11:48:52 < dongs> well its linked in that blog
2017-06-29T11:48:53 < dongs> hah
2017-06-29T11:49:41 < dongs> oh they have it as a component
2017-06-29T11:49:42 < dongs> mmm
2017-06-29T11:50:24 < zyp> "draw shit, tune with VNA" is the approach I took with the NFC stuff too
2017-06-29T11:50:40 < zyp> bit different since it's a coil, but basic idea is the same
2017-06-29T11:54:49 < zyp> hmm, I don't have any screenshots of how it looked after tuning, but here's before: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/6cVmy.gif
2017-06-29T11:55:13 < zyp> yellow mark is target freq, goal is to have it as close to center as possible
2017-06-29T11:55:50 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/m0yyr.JPG <- so I just stacked caps until I got there
2017-06-29T11:56:16 < dongs> shoulda just left them like that for final product
2017-06-29T11:56:27 < dongs> thats fucking amazing.
2017-06-29T11:57:04 < zyp> well, sure, you were the one assembling them so if you're okay with that..
2017-06-29T11:57:21 < c10ud^> lol neat
2017-06-29T11:58:27 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uNgNm.JPG <- side view
2017-06-29T11:58:56 < zyp> also, I stole one of the parts after tuning before taking that pic :p
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2017-06-29T12:16:48 < crt> thankyou
2017-06-29T12:16:49 < dongs> http://colinkarpfinger.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1290-Custom.jpg
2017-06-29T12:17:17 < crt> zyp: that's better than most china
2017-06-29T12:17:42 < crt> dongs: good one
2017-06-29T12:18:01 < crt> they need a crt filter to make it look shit
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2017-06-29T12:19:49 < dongs> hm
2017-06-29T12:19:51 < dongs> DFN6 LDO
2017-06-29T12:19:59 < dongs> < 0.8mm height
2017-06-29T12:20:00 < dongs> go
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2017-06-29T12:24:49 < crt> yeah mate
2017-06-29T12:24:51 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CwtPe0zf/IMG_0372.JPG
2017-06-29T12:25:37 < dongs> XLRate
2017-06-29T12:25:43 < crt> pretty pro hey
2017-06-29T12:25:50 < crt> just slosh anything on the board right
2017-06-29T12:26:02 < crt> you know that horrid brown glue that becomes conductive
2017-06-29T12:26:05 < crt> what the fuck is it called
2017-06-29T12:26:13 < zyp> poop
2017-06-29T12:26:23 < crt> damn i thought you might actually know
2017-06-29T12:26:44 < crt> china must have like billions of drums of it
2017-06-29T12:26:59 < crt> dead babies liquified and mixed with poop
2017-06-29T12:28:23 < karlp> dongs: tps709?
2017-06-29T12:29:36 < dongs> 2x2 :(
2017-06-29T12:29:40 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4eJVqQi5/IMG_0374.JPG
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2017-06-29T12:39:10 < karlp> 2x2 is also too big?
2017-06-29T12:39:16 < dongs> no, too small
2017-06-29T12:39:16 < karlp> how small is dnf6?
2017-06-29T12:39:20 < dongs> 3x3
2017-06-29T12:39:20 < karlp> oh. :)
2017-06-29T12:39:25 < dongs> i like the ldo thats on nucleo boards
2017-06-29T12:39:25 < karlp> you wanted tiny
2017-06-29T12:39:27 < dongs> thats waht im after
2017-06-29T12:39:32 < dongs> but the fucking thing is not avialble anywhere
2017-06-29T12:39:38 < karlp> what part is that?
2017-06-29T12:39:41 < dongs> it is LD39050PU33R
2017-06-29T12:39:52 < dongs> by anywhre i mean anywhere in china, of course
2017-06-29T12:41:21 < crt> ok
2017-06-29T12:41:30 < mitrax> crt: my teeth are bleeding
2017-06-29T12:41:38 < crt> fucking flies!
2017-06-29T12:41:50 < crt> welcome back mitrax
2017-06-29T12:41:53 < mitrax> crt: what's up?
2017-06-29T12:42:12 < crt> just running the business, pumping, wondering what's wrong with uncle bob
2017-06-29T12:43:10 < mitrax> cool :)
2017-06-29T12:43:16 < crt> and you?
2017-06-29T12:43:47 < mitrax> dongs: btw do you have another second choice reliable source that you use on a regular basis when Zhong can't find something? i've got a few parts she can't find
2017-06-29T12:43:48 < karlp> dongs: so mic5504 is defintiely out then ;) 1x1mm
2017-06-29T12:44:10 < dongs> mitrax: i have another jew but hes lazy as fuck
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2017-06-29T12:44:15 < crt> china girl
2017-06-29T12:44:30 < dongs> karlp: haha that package
2017-06-29T12:44:50 < crt> fucking skype
2017-06-29T12:44:51 < mitrax> crt: not much, i have to source a bunch of shit ... 200+ parts in large quantities, and i'm getting tired of it :p
2017-06-29T12:45:05 < crt> LM7805?
2017-06-29T12:45:25 < dongs> mitrax, why did you design with garbage
2017-06-29T12:45:42 < crt> he said shit not garbage lol
2017-06-29T12:45:43 < mitrax> dongs: i didn't, it's a production for a customer and he designed that shit
2017-06-29T12:45:49 < dongs> ahaha, faggots
2017-06-29T12:45:51 < karlp> dongs: hey, it's small and thin ;)
2017-06-29T12:45:59 < crt> well.
2017-06-29T12:45:59 < dongs> tell them to dropship the shit from mouser/digikey
2017-06-29T12:46:23  * karlp only sees 2x2 in thin, not 3x3 thin
2017-06-29T12:47:06 < mitrax> dongs: with lots of super expensive DC/DC shit
2017-06-29T12:47:15 < dongs> karlp: 0.8 is ok
2017-06-29T12:47:38 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/short/30bfj1
2017-06-29T12:47:43 < dongs> im going through this list and checking popularitty
2017-06-29T12:47:48 < dongs> but so far not so good
2017-06-29T12:48:08 < mitrax> chinagirl made me save $7000 already on 14 parts compared to arrow/mouser
2017-06-29T12:48:40 < dongs> ldl112 was also ok but also not avialable
2017-06-29T12:49:14 < ReadError> sure they are genuine ?
2017-06-29T12:49:19 < mitrax> yup
2017-06-29T12:49:36 < karlp> dongs: NCP708... 3x3x0.5
2017-06-29T12:49:38 < ReadError> they will fake the darndest shit
2017-06-29T12:49:51 < crt> of course
2017-06-29T12:49:57 < crt> to fake 7805
2017-06-29T12:50:00 < crt>  \o/
2017-06-29T12:50:14 < crt> time for a mouser spending spree
2017-06-29T12:50:27 < crt> just cause i need axial electrolytics
2017-06-29T12:50:29 < dongs> fuckin hell thats not even on digikey
2017-06-29T12:50:32 < dongs> so def not in china
2017-06-29T12:50:33 < mitrax> ReadError: when it's not original she points it out, in my experience they're reliable... you'd have to ask dongs because he's been working with her for much longer than me but i never had any problem
2017-06-29T12:50:42 < dongs> yeah same
2017-06-29T12:50:46 < karlp> dongs: I just got it off digikey
2017-06-29T12:50:48 < dongs> when I want cloned shit, i specify it
2017-06-29T12:50:52 < dongs> karlp: yeah but stock is zero
2017-06-29T12:51:03 < mitrax> ReadError: i mean, that particular source, but yes many chinese sellers will sell you fake / clones definitely
2017-06-29T12:52:00 < crt> 160v 100u ifink
2017-06-29T12:52:01 < karlp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/on-semiconductor/NCP623MN-30R2G/NCP623MN-30R2G-ND/1792623 is availabloe, but it's 1mm tall, not 0.8
2017-06-29T12:52:52 < crt> should i buy one
2017-06-29T12:52:58 < crt> maybe i can get an arduino breakout board for it
2017-06-29T12:53:05 < ReadError> dongs: see that intel multidonger
2017-06-29T12:53:06 < crt> and have parasitics up the fucking ass
2017-06-29T12:53:19 < ReadError> oh ya u did
2017-06-29T12:53:27 < dongs> http://www.utc-ic.com/2017/0427/5135.html lllllllooooollll
2017-06-29T12:53:35 < karlp> your're really cutting your options down if you want thin and also bigger than 2x2
2017-06-29T12:53:36 < dongs> 3x3mm 3A
2017-06-29T12:53:39 < mitrax> crt: sooo... have you been Keiling a bit?
2017-06-29T12:53:44 < crt> no
2017-06-29T12:53:48 < mitrax> i knew it
2017-06-29T12:53:53 < crt> i'm working 9 to 7 doing repairs
2017-06-29T12:54:09 < crt> bank some money, pay someone to replace men
2017-06-29T12:54:11 < crt> me
2017-06-29T12:54:12 < dongs> karlp: are you saying theres more 2x2 common?
2017-06-29T12:54:12 < karlp> who the hell is utc?
2017-06-29T12:54:13 < crt> then keel
2017-06-29T12:54:17 < dongs> karlp: a china cloner place
2017-06-29T12:54:18 < ReadError> odd way to order the #s
2017-06-29T12:54:27 < dongs> like most of LM7805s are from there
2017-06-29T12:54:42 < dongs> well known garbage brand
2017-06-29T12:54:58 < karlp> dongs: if you skim digikey in dfn6* style packages, there's _maountains_ of things in 2x2, 1.6x1.6 and 1.5x1.6 which will all be thin
2017-06-29T12:55:09 < dongs> hmmm
2017-06-29T12:55:14 < dongs> ok lemme try goign 2x2
2017-06-29T12:55:21 < Thorn> what kind of power dissipation do they have
2017-06-29T12:55:27 < dongs> doesnt amtter
2017-06-29T12:55:31 < dongs> i need to pwoer NRF24 and STM32F0
2017-06-29T12:55:37 < mitrax> dongs: by lazy you mean he'll take 3 days to quote things? or he's late to deliver things?
2017-06-29T12:55:39 < dongs> but i figured if i take a higher current rated one the dropout will be less
2017-06-29T12:55:42 < karlp> Thorn: pretty good actually, we're using that tps709 on a board here because we watned 24V inputs,
2017-06-29T12:55:44 < dongs> mitrax: the former
2017-06-29T12:56:02 < karlp> and with good copper and grounding it can dissipate the heat way better than other styles
2017-06-29T12:56:22 < karlp> and we've had it in the oven at 29V/60C running nicely too
2017-06-29T12:56:50 < dongs> no shit eh
2017-06-29T12:56:55 < dongs> whats the current youre drawing from it tho
2017-06-29T12:56:58 < dongs> like 10mA/
2017-06-29T12:57:02 < karlp> like 15-20mA :)
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2017-06-29T12:57:46 < karlp> but sot23-5 for instance cant' dissipate the heat at all
2017-06-29T12:58:02 < dongs> yeah definitely
2017-06-29T12:58:15 < dongs> im nto after dissipation, actually i think half the time it's just gonna be running in dropout mode
2017-06-29T12:58:19 < dongs> and other half of the time @ 5V
2017-06-29T12:58:22 < dongs> but low profile is am ust
2017-06-29T12:58:57 < karlp> well, yeah, we had dissipation problems because of that minor detail of 24V ldo -> 3.3v
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2017-06-29T13:02:08 < crt> clever
2017-06-29T13:02:11 < crt> who the fuck did that
2017-06-29T13:02:50 < crt> did i ever tell you about the best china?
2017-06-29T13:03:20 < ReadError> japan?
2017-06-29T13:03:32 < crt> no
2017-06-29T13:03:59 < crt> had a client dealing with some gooks who sold them LED lights using a board with 12xpt4115 led drivers
2017-06-29T13:04:12 < crt> (switching regulators) right
2017-06-29T13:04:32 < crt> things just blew up left right, 90% failure rate
2017-06-29T13:04:49 < crt> so after 10 months of whinging to them over skype what happened
2017-06-29T13:05:00 < crt> they sent a replacement board using linear regs which would overheat in 2 mins
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2017-06-29T13:07:29 < crt> pissed and stoned
2017-06-29T13:08:17 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/s5bxVAsg/rerux.png
2017-06-29T13:08:24 < ReadError> bootleg 3.3reg on right side
2017-06-29T13:09:42 < karlp> nice
2017-06-29T13:10:04 < ReadError> was bad enough to be messin with the 5v
2017-06-29T13:10:59 < crt> fuck yeah
2017-06-29T13:11:08 < crt> china baby!
2017-06-29T13:11:32 < ReadError> no idea wtf that part actually was
2017-06-29T13:11:36 < ReadError> or supposed to be
2017-06-29T13:12:13 < crt> a piece of fuckin shit!
2017-06-29T13:15:06 < ReadError> ofc it wasnt noticed until thousands had been assembled
2017-06-29T13:15:11 < sync> nice
2017-06-29T13:16:49 < crt> yeah
2017-06-29T13:17:06 < crt> i'm building a castle out of dead pcbs
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2017-06-29T13:20:41 < crt> lead free (tm)
2017-06-29T13:21:12 < crt> nichicunt
2017-06-29T13:21:18 < crt> sprogue
2017-06-29T13:21:39 < crt> epcunts
2017-06-29T13:21:42 < crt> which to buy
2017-06-29T13:25:17 < crt> where is peterM
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2017-06-29T13:47:05 < crt> tendies b
2017-06-29T13:49:10 < crt> btc - blaxter tendies co
2017-06-29T13:50:56 < Laurenceb_> Based Israel tbh, Assad kills babies tbh.
2017-06-29T13:51:30  * Laurenceb_ was remembering the tiem he got chatted up by a grrl in a burka 
2017-06-29T13:54:32 < crt> yeah same
2017-06-29T13:54:35 < crt> wait no
2017-06-29T13:54:59 < Laurenceb_> ftw when you know you are so weird thats the only pussy you will get
2017-06-29T13:55:05 < Laurenceb_> ftw you have to convert first
2017-06-29T13:56:17 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/KHYhVX5
2017-06-29T13:56:49 < karlp> having a bad day are we?
2017-06-29T13:57:15 < Laurenceb_> I'm a viking
2017-06-29T13:57:38 < mitrax> fuck i shouldn't irc while eating i've just bit my cheek hard
2017-06-29T14:04:30 < Laurenceb_> the last part is unnecessary
2017-06-29T14:09:31 < crt> penis
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2017-06-29T14:19:58 < Laurenceb_> benis
2017-06-29T14:24:03 < crt> ty
2017-06-29T14:25:38 < aandrew> < Kitlith> aandrew, I'm a little late, but would something like usb 2 -> pci-e -> thunderbolt 3 -> usb c work?
2017-06-29T14:25:43 < aandrew> Kitlith: lol probably
2017-06-29T14:26:07 < aandrew> as would a USB3->PCIe or TB->PCIe with an 8 port USB3 PCIe adapter would also work
2017-06-29T14:28:41 < karlp> what's the problem again? usb3 upstream connector, and you want to have more >1 usb2 device and get > usb2 bw?
2017-06-29T14:29:09 < karlp> and you're running into the fact that usb2 and usb3 are completely separate things?
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2017-06-29T14:32:29 < aandrew> karlp: yeah, I have a USB3 hub with 1 upstream port and three USB2 devices I'd like to each get 480Mbps instead of sharing the 1 480Mbps upstream channel
2017-06-29T14:33:07 < aandrew> so I need something that can actually aggregate the bandwidth on to the usb3 lines which is theoretically possible with a hub that can provide more than one bus instance
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2017-06-29T14:43:48 < karlp> yeah, I bet those are unicorns though
2017-06-29T14:44:07 < karlp> similar issue to the old usb1/usb2 MTT hubs I guess, but way less people looking for it now.
2017-06-29T14:49:45 < zyp> is there even a standard way of talking to usb2 devices over usb3?
2017-06-29T14:53:11 < karlp> yeah, the part of usb3 that says, "use these other pins entirely because it's not even teh same thing" :)
2017-06-29T14:58:33 < karlp> heh, gwinstek site lets you click on their app screenshots and save them to pinterest
2017-06-29T14:58:52 < karlp> doesn't actually let you see a bigger version though
2017-06-29T15:00:01 < dongs> wat
2017-06-29T15:00:04 < dongs> such useful
2017-06-29T15:00:28 < karlp> inorite
2017-06-29T15:11:35 < zyp> karlp, no, I mean, is there a way of encapsulating usb2 payloads over a usb3 transport?
2017-06-29T15:12:22 < zyp> like HS has this extra shit (SPLIT/NYET) to deal with LS/FS packages transported over HS to a TT
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2017-06-29T15:15:48 < karlp> yeah, haven't read it enough, but given they went for different pins even, I'm guessing not.
2017-06-29T15:16:58 < crt> Meatspin
2017-06-29T15:48:41 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/CXzT46aa
2017-06-29T15:48:49 < Laurenceb_> channers post what they did today
2017-06-29T15:51:10 < Laurenceb_> > nearby high end butcher shop
2017-06-29T15:51:19 < Laurenceb_> he is what he claims to mock
2017-06-29T16:24:14 < Laurenceb_> wew http://imgur.com/huTXvUx
2017-06-29T16:31:35 < ReadError> s.t.f.u.
2017-06-29T16:41:50 < mitrax> dongs: do you happen to know a reliable chinese brand for LED drivers (not IC, the whole thing) besides LiFUD ?
2017-06-29T16:42:02 < dongs> mitrax: MBI?
2017-06-29T16:42:05 < dongs> they're taiwanese tho
2017-06-29T16:42:09 < dongs> but used in t ons of shit
2017-06-29T16:42:12 < dongs> oh
2017-06-29T16:42:14 < dongs> led drivers
2017-06-29T16:42:17 < dongs> like.. for lights?
2017-06-29T16:42:18 < dongs> no idea
2017-06-29T16:42:20 < mitrax> yeah
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2017-06-29T17:30:02 < englishman> Laurenceb_: "still effects us
2017-06-29T17:30:04 < englishman> triggered
2017-06-29T17:30:16 < dongs> englishman: R350 is $5k, puhui shit is 1.2k..
2017-06-29T17:30:20 < englishman> yes
2017-06-29T17:30:22 < dongs> apparently hte biggest difference is proper heaters
2017-06-29T17:30:27 < dongs> some black magic shit vs IR
2017-06-29T17:30:33 < englishman> yeah the IR can be tricky
2017-06-29T17:30:39 < englishman> but i'm not sure of the *actual* difference
2017-06-29T17:30:54 < englishman> or what IR really means...
2017-06-29T17:31:11 < englishman> there's no bulbs or shit in mine. just heating elements
2017-06-29T17:31:44 < englishman> but if he wants nice shit. why is he worried about a few k
2017-06-29T17:32:05 < englishman> he's jap right? surely there is some amazing jap brand that has used shit from 2002 that works 500x better
2017-06-29T17:32:18 < dongs> youre probably not wrong
2017-06-29T17:32:51 < englishman> 5mins before submitting this board for 3-day megarush fab, oh we need this connector changed
2017-06-29T17:36:04 < Laurenceb_> somewhere I have a half made IR reflow system
2017-06-29T17:36:16 < Laurenceb_> an abandoned project :-/
2017-06-29T17:36:37 < Laurenceb_> IR bulbs focussed onto the pcb
2017-06-29T17:36:49 < sync> ah a cute conveyor setup
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2017-06-29T17:37:27 < Laurenceb_> it was going to be attiny powered
2017-06-29T17:37:29 < Laurenceb_> dont laugh
2017-06-29T17:39:48 < sync> http://www.usedmachineryforsale.net/wp-content/uploads/used-reflow-oven-ersa-hotflow-3-for-sale_0.jpg get one of those shits dongs
2017-06-29T17:40:31 < Laurenceb_> small enough for any workshop
2017-06-29T17:41:08  * Laurenceb_ was aiming for ~30x30x20cm using about 4x300W heat lamps on alu extrusion frame
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2017-06-29T20:18:42 < jpa-> hmm.. seems like most of USBFS dedicated 1kB ram is wasted when i only have a few endpoints and the usb fs max packet size is 64 bytes
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2017-06-29T20:20:00 < zyp> and?
2017-06-29T20:20:27 < zyp> it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have
2017-06-29T20:20:32 < jpa-> true enough
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2017-06-29T20:21:11 < jpa-> i did realize that i'm not actually using otgfs but usbfs, so a bit different about the buffer sharing thing
2017-06-29T20:21:52 < zyp> which part is this?
2017-06-29T20:23:34 < jpa-> f042
2017-06-29T20:24:17 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCEkY76g6Jo
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2017-06-29T20:24:28 < jpa-> not sure if i should be using f072 when it costs almost the same, but somehow the datasheet was unclear whether f072 can do crystalless usb
2017-06-29T20:24:46 < zyp> they both should be able to
2017-06-29T20:24:49 < zyp> also L0
2017-06-29T20:24:50 < jpa-> hmm yeah, so it looks
2017-06-29T20:25:04 < jpa-> might as well switch for the next revision
2017-06-29T20:25:18 < jpa-> 16kB of ram vs. 6kB should reduce my trouble a lot :P
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2017-06-29T20:50:47 < Laurenceb_> impressive http://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/82113000d_scc1300d02_datasheet.PDF
2017-06-29T20:51:14 < englishman> F072 can absolutely do xtalless USB, for bootloader too
2017-06-29T20:51:27 < englishman> F042 same
2017-06-29T20:51:51 < englishman> oh you said f042, I read f402
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2017-06-29T20:55:29 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tkt.cs.tut.fi/research/nappo_files/Symposium_Gyro_Technology_2010_web.pdf
2017-06-29T20:55:32 < Laurenceb_> mental
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2017-06-29T21:26:16 < englishman> rip FCI
2017-06-29T21:30:40  * Laurenceb_ went to the dentists
2017-06-29T21:30:54 < Laurenceb_> they had "Ecuador" on repeat
2017-06-29T21:31:04 < Laurenceb_>  *Julian Assange*
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2017-06-29T21:32:19 < Laurenceb_>  *tooth drilling sounds*... ECUADOR!!!
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2017-06-29T22:05:38 < englishman> this company is spending $5k to move a led by 0.7mm
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2017-06-29T22:07:28 < jadew> englishman, I'll move it for them for $2.5
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2017-06-29T22:07:39 < englishman> you can't
2017-06-29T22:07:43 < jadew> and I can do even 10 mm
2017-06-29T22:07:59 < jadew> where is it?
2017-06-29T22:08:14 < englishman> on a pcb
2017-06-29T22:08:23 < jadew> on earth?
2017-06-29T22:09:01 < englishman> no, because it doesn't exist
2017-06-29T22:10:47 < jadew> I'm curious now, why can't they move it?
2017-06-29T22:10:59 < jadew> is the board that complex?
2017-06-29T22:11:22 < englishman> because it has to move vertically
2017-06-29T22:11:55 < jadew> so spacer?
2017-06-29T22:12:07 < englishman> space it into the pcb?
2017-06-29T22:12:11 < englishman> negative spacer
2017-06-29T22:12:13 < jadew> heh
2017-06-29T22:13:33 < jadew> they can mount it on the other side if they find the right kind of LED
2017-06-29T22:14:17 < englishman> too far
2017-06-29T22:14:22 < englishman> that is greater than 0.7mm
2017-06-29T22:20:07 < Rob235> fuck ethics
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2017-06-29T22:45:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK6W0OATveQ
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2017-06-30T00:19:03 < englishman> attn dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEhr6zVwrI8
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2017-06-30T00:49:05 < invzim> hm, to sample different ad channels (12,vbat,VREFINT) I need both interrupts and dma working - no way to do it polled?
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2017-06-30T00:52:44 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome!
2017-06-30T00:55:04 < crt> Rofl
2017-06-30T00:55:26 < crt> Full take care, do everything.
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2017-06-30T01:01:49 < invzim> gah, guess cubemx won't save me from going into the soup
2017-06-30T01:02:26 < Thorn> has cubemx ever saved anybody
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2017-06-30T01:03:38 < BrainDamage> a few people's jobs at st
2017-06-30T01:03:50 < Steffanx> interns...
2017-06-30T01:04:05 < Thorn> isn't it outsourced
2017-06-30T01:04:11 < Steffanx> or that.
2017-06-30T01:04:14 < Thorn> the HAL most likely is
2017-06-30T01:04:23 < Thorn> at least
2017-06-30T01:06:56 < invzim> guess I need to bone up on it, dma+interrupt also needed for SDIO & SPI?
2017-06-30T01:07:40 < Thorn> I've done SPI without either
2017-06-30T01:07:58 < Thorn> it can certainly be done in polling mode
2017-06-30T01:08:13 < invzim> the spi I need is not terribly complicated, read/program a spi flash + general communication with the fpga
2017-06-30T01:09:05 < Thorn> it depends on how much data you need to transfer and how much that would interfere with your real time stuff if any
2017-06-30T01:09:15 < invzim> there is no real-time stuff
2017-06-30T01:09:23 < invzim> as in, >60hz
2017-06-30T01:10:03 < invzim> if that, the stm32 is just a house-keeping control thingie - but SDIO is needed for firmware update of the spi flash
2017-06-30T01:10:52 < invzim> for concurrency, FGPA/VHDL is SO MUCH EASIER :)
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2017-06-30T01:22:29 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbABPcBeaLo nice plane nice puff
2017-06-30T01:23:29 < crt> what
2017-06-30T01:24:02 < kakimir> hello cat whisperer
2017-06-30T01:24:26 < crt> https://youtu.be/182AepOJjMs?t=44s
2017-06-30T01:24:29 < crt> murica!!!!
2017-06-30T01:25:06 < kakimir> fun crash
2017-06-30T01:25:31 < Steffanx> I hope someone will record when you crash kakimir :P
2017-06-30T01:25:36 < Steffanx> *is recording
2017-06-30T01:25:37 < kakimir> I hope too
2017-06-30T01:25:47 < Steffanx> Please make it nice.
2017-06-30T01:25:59 < kakimir> how much I need to die?
2017-06-30T01:26:12 < Steffanx> Uhm. Very much?
2017-06-30T01:26:18 < kakimir> ok
2017-06-30T01:26:23 < kakimir> that is hard
2017-06-30T01:26:41 < BrainDamage> make sure to be live streaming so we can record it on client side
2017-06-30T01:26:54 < BrainDamage> so there's no risk of video being damaged
2017-06-30T01:30:22 < kakimir> sounds planned
2017-06-30T01:30:32 < kakimir> way too much
2017-06-30T01:30:59 < crt> im so stiff
2017-06-30T01:32:08 < kakimir> get massage
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2017-06-30T01:37:05 < kakimir> crt: ironic that b52 has ejector seats
2017-06-30T01:37:14 < crt> true
2017-06-30T01:37:39 < kakimir> they fucked up and tried to fix it
2017-06-30T01:37:46 < crt> of course
2017-06-30T01:37:51 < crt> the pilot was a true seppo
2017-06-30T01:38:12 < kakimir> seppo?
2017-06-30T01:38:54 < crt> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Seppo
2017-06-30T01:41:45 < crt> https://youtu.be/vKHzhkM08jU?t=9m12s
2017-06-30T01:42:33 < kakimir> they did not have any chance at that height. plane was doomed when they lost control of bank angle
2017-06-30T01:42:37 < crt> another victim of EEVblog
2017-06-30T01:43:12 < kakimir> is it your channel?
2017-06-30T01:44:18 < kakimir> crt exposed
2017-06-30T01:44:37 < crt> no
2017-06-30T01:44:45 < crt> i want to remix the first 10 seconds on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9TvdPuv_Ws
2017-06-30T01:44:48 < crt> with what i posted before
2017-06-30T01:45:14 < crt> HI HOW ARE THEY TODAY IM GOING TO TALK ABOUT BJT BIASING CIRCUIT -> bang!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2017-06-30T01:45:24 < kakimir> it is you
2017-06-30T01:45:28 < crt> yes of course
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2017-06-30T01:56:51 < ds2> we must be enlightened and eliminate all biases
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2017-06-30T02:00:11 < crt> i enjoy how he hasn't posted in 4 years
2017-06-30T02:00:23 < crt> dunno if he got bored of eevbloggery or electrocuted himself
2017-06-30T02:02:19 < crt> crt
2017-06-30T02:02:20 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Hk10ejn0A
2017-06-30T02:14:21 < kakimir> probs ded
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2017-06-30T02:24:36 < kakimir> I need fresh musics
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2017-06-30T02:26:31 < upgrdman> crt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKX9Om7Z4s&t=0m38s
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2017-06-30T02:29:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9yOxTJDpLI
2017-06-30T02:29:16 < kakimir> musictimes
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2017-06-30T03:07:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzxkJETW7lg jeezzes
2017-06-30T03:08:07 < kakimir> so funny
2017-06-30T03:15:28 < kakimir> crt calling to local shop
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2017-06-30T04:27:42 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/gr4w3u2uam6z.jpg
2017-06-30T05:49:51 < upgrdman> lol. lattice is now making an fpga dev board with headers for arduino AND raspberry pi.  http://www.latticesemi.com/Products/DevelopmentBoardsAndKits/MachXO39400DevBoard
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2017-06-30T06:20:30 < crt> hello welcome
2017-06-30T06:20:53 < crt> did you suck your boss' toes for a bonus broooooo?
2017-06-30T06:23:10 < crt> happy eofy
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2017-06-30T07:16:29 < ohsix> butt
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2017-06-30T07:49:05 < crt> pl
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2017-06-30T10:18:53 < upgrdman> lol. reading HDD customer reviews and:  Cons: However, like several other DeskStar drives I've purchased, it came in a heavily scented box.
2017-06-30T10:18:54 < upgrdman> I'm extremely allergic to fragrances, and had to immediately put the empty box outside. I can only wonder why someone thinks that computer hardware needs to have a pleasant smell.
2017-06-30T10:21:06 < ohsix> that sucks, but ordering shit from the internet sounds like a big risk
2017-06-30T10:22:39 < ohsix> love how general 'fragrances' is too, they could be allergic to a specific compound, but no; always generanl in some wal, almost as if it is psychosomatic and when they experience a smell they don't care to, they flip that shit onto the smell
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2017-06-30T11:03:59 < kakimir> "allergic"
2017-06-30T11:04:26 < kakimir> same thing with food
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2017-06-30T13:49:19 < crt> Soak my nuts
2017-06-30T13:53:01 < ReadError> crt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNQFJaLauB0
2017-06-30T13:54:10 < crt> Hi
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2017-06-30T13:56:22 < ReadError> that the gear u work on?
2017-06-30T14:01:05 < crt> Let me look
2017-06-30T14:01:37 < crt> I spot
2017-06-30T14:01:44 < crt> Djm800 pioneer
2017-06-30T14:01:51 < crt> Sl1210 technics
2017-06-30T14:02:36 < crt> See them almost everyday
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2017-06-30T14:11:52 < crt> Pigged
2017-06-30T14:21:20 < crt> The units
2017-06-30T15:16:52 < crt> Old whiskey dick and his beer goggle plough
2017-06-30T15:36:26 < crt> 666
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2017-06-30T16:03:53 < Steffanx> Thank you. Welcome.
2017-06-30T16:07:50 < ReadError> god im so anxious for Laurenceb_'s links
2017-06-30T16:07:58 < ReadError> whys he play with my emotions like this
2017-06-30T16:13:00 < crt> Hello
2017-06-30T16:13:06 < crt> Welcome!!
2017-06-30T16:14:26 < Laurenceb_> Welcome all
2017-06-30T16:14:36 < Laurenceb_> I see I was missed
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2017-06-30T16:16:10 < crt> I do welcome !!
2017-06-30T16:23:50 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmh-SVMCiiw
2017-06-30T16:24:26 < Steffanx> Have room? Have KY?
2017-06-30T16:36:39 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/sYvtx
2017-06-30T16:37:01 < Laurenceb_> least weird waifu yet
2017-06-30T16:58:25 < englishman> Tinder match?
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2017-06-30T17:10:38 < ReadError> https://www.tumblr.com/search/cute%20cosplay%20girls ...
2017-06-30T17:10:53 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ tryina play u
2017-06-30T17:10:57 < ReadError> or hes getting played
2017-06-30T17:12:00 < englishman> hmm just noticed the mangled mouse carcass on the floor
2017-06-30T17:12:37 < ReadError> he brought u a gift
2017-06-30T17:15:08 < Steffanx> Lildongs is an arse..
2017-06-30T17:16:05 < englishman> takes after his namesake.
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2017-06-30T17:36:33 < ReadError> so Laurenceb_ explain ur 'waifu'
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2017-06-30T17:59:03 < Rob235> what is htssop, basically same as tssop? can you get a socket to break one out on a perfboard?
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2017-06-30T18:10:11 < Thorn> probably not a socket but something like https://www.aliexpress.com/item/30PCS-6-5pcs-PCB-Board-Kit-SMD-Turn-To-DIP-Adapter-Converter-Plate-FQFP-32-44/32802543684.html
2017-06-30T18:12:52 < Rob235> yea been lookin at the boards, sockets would be nicer but this will have to do
2017-06-30T18:22:02 < rajkosto> those are awful just make your own small board with caps and crystals nearby
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2017-06-30T18:36:40 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/NeruNox/status/880770418252140544
2017-06-30T18:36:49 < jadew> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888
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2017-06-30T19:09:07 < Getty> Chinese LED as sticky tape are really the bomb.... I mean like of course 2 of the LEDs are directly broken, but the most fascinating is that i set it to blue and some hours later its blue green, and i have no idea why
2017-06-30T19:09:38 < Getty> but at least now i can make party at my fridge :D
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2017-06-30T19:10:44 < Thorn> rgb led strip?
2017-06-30T19:11:43 < Getty> yeah
2017-06-30T19:12:04 < Getty> i found an unopened package while i was deconstructed the laboratory of my dad
2017-06-30T19:12:14 < Getty> thought i stick them to my fridge, best idea ever
2017-06-30T19:13:00 < Streaker> Better idea: stick them under the inside rim of the commode.
2017-06-30T19:13:36 < Streaker> Discopoop
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2017-06-30T19:18:04 < Getty> also good idea but i only got those IKEA kallax thingies everywhere
2017-06-30T19:18:24 < Streaker> https://youtu.be/dP9U7cuzpuY
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2017-06-30T19:19:58 < Getty> that is REALLY good, even tho i do not go outdoor often
2017-06-30T19:27:56 < englishman> who wants to see this messed up lil mouse the kitty left for me to clean up
2017-06-30T19:28:18 < branjb> me
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2017-06-30T19:32:46 < englishman> your wish is my command
2017-06-30T19:32:55 < englishman> http://imgur.com/a/pGnnY
2017-06-30T19:33:45 < branjb> looks like he skinned it and cleaned the insides for you
2017-06-30T19:34:02 < englishman> what a thoughtful kitty
2017-06-30T19:34:05 < Getty> thanks for warning what is behind the link, i will not click it ;)
2017-06-30T19:34:19 < Steffanx> Dinner for englishman.
2017-06-30T19:34:19 < englishman> i dont blame you!
2017-06-30T19:35:04 < Steffanx> Our cat likes to do that too, but it often brings only half of it.
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2017-06-30T19:37:12 < Thorn> fair share
2017-06-30T19:37:18 < Thorn> why would you want more
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2017-06-30T20:08:17 < branjb> this showed up when googling engineer business professional: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/e9/32/27e93271b5bce8ed6b93301eab33df08.jpg
2017-06-30T20:26:35 < Steffanx> Wanna trigger Laurenceb_? There are better ways branjb
2017-06-30T20:28:57 < branjb> STEAM acronym triggers me
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2017-06-30T21:06:20 < englishman> noooo
2017-06-30T21:06:24 < englishman> digikey is out of stock of one paty
2017-06-30T21:06:26 < englishman> part
2017-06-30T21:06:29 < englishman> i have to order from ARROW
2017-06-30T21:06:32 < englishman> :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
2017-06-30T21:07:04 < sync> ):
2017-06-30T21:15:28 < Steffanx>  \o/
2017-06-30T21:16:02 < Laurenceb_> don't trigger me bro
2017-06-30T21:16:12 < Laurenceb_> never say the LoRa word
2017-06-30T21:17:11 < sync> https://usatodaysports.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/usp_indycar-_desert_diamond_west_valley_phoenix_gr-1.jpg?w=1000&h=695
2017-06-30T21:17:14 < sync> arrow crashing
2017-06-30T21:17:40 < Steffanx> Why not Laurenceb_ aka LoRanceb
2017-06-30T21:17:45 < Laurenceb_> reeeeee
2017-06-30T21:27:19 < Laurenceb_> I bet the patriarchy is responsible for LoRa
2017-06-30T21:28:05 < BrainDamage> maybe we should all pitch in and pay a hooker for laurenceb, so he'd be finally get laid and the SNR could improve
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2017-06-30T21:31:36 < Getty> again green blue.....
2017-06-30T21:32:50 < englishman> kakimir: sending a package to Itä-Suomen lääni
2017-06-30T21:34:30 < Getty> yeah its the reflection of the logitech harmony in the window towards the other room
2017-06-30T21:34:32 < Getty> fascinating
2017-06-30T21:36:54 < englishman> Loool sync
2017-06-30T21:37:04 < englishman> Is there a digikey car
2017-06-30T21:37:20 < englishman> Or are they f1 caliber
2017-06-30T21:38:53 < sync> negative
2017-06-30T21:38:57 < sync> there is a TE one tho
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2017-06-30T21:48:09 < Steffanx> y no mouser englishman?
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2017-06-30T22:14:31 < upgrdman> wtf, i cant get the stlinkv2-1 to show up in vmware
2017-06-30T22:14:44 < upgrdman> works fine in host, but not listed as a device in vmware
2017-06-30T22:14:57 < upgrdman> anyone used v2-1 in a vm?
2017-06-30T22:15:46 < Getty> the listing of the devices in vmware is pretty bad, i did not specific tried that with stlink but i did had similar problems with other devices
2017-06-30T22:16:03 < Getty> you can make it via ini directly with the device ids
2017-06-30T22:16:07 < upgrdman> i've never had this problem before, with any device. but this is my first v2-1
2017-06-30T22:16:24 < upgrdman> Getty, how? what do i read up on
2017-06-30T22:16:58 < Getty> that config file for vmware itself, there you can define the devices to exclude from host and dispatch to client, i dont recall bigger details
2017-06-30T22:17:16 < upgrdman> k, will google, thx
2017-06-30T22:17:34 < Getty> yeah sorry i cant help more, but its really way too long ago ;) and i dont use vmware anymore (or any virtualization)
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2017-06-30T22:19:00 < BrainDamage> in other vm it's called "passtrough"
2017-06-30T22:19:37 < Getty> i think it was exclude/include something i just dont remember where to add what
2017-06-30T22:21:25 < Getty> might be in the main config of vmware, might be that its just required in the virtual machine config so it gets into usage when its fired up, latter case is pretty simple then
2017-06-30T22:21:27 < Getty> he will find it
2017-06-30T22:22:13 < englishman> Steffanx: hmm not really considered them as they usually have only a subset of digikey parts
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2017-06-30T22:22:45 < englishman> ha. they have stock. but 2.5x the price at ARROW
2017-06-30T22:23:07 < englishman> even their reel price is higher than singles at arrow
2017-06-30T22:23:45 < englishman> i'm also not paying for it, so it doesnt really matter. but in this case ordering from ARROW and getting shit late (as usual) won't affect anything so i'm not worried
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2017-06-30T22:40:30 < upgrdman> Getty, found it
2017-06-30T22:40:36 < upgrdman> but fuck, vmware still doesn't do it
2017-06-30T22:40:47 < upgrdman> i think im doing it right: http://imgur.com/a/inqYq
2017-06-30T22:41:24 < Getty> you might need to checkup if there are any option for exclusion on the main machine
2017-06-30T22:41:30 < Getty> not at the machine config but at some vmware main config
2017-06-30T22:41:36 < Getty> i do recall there was something
2017-06-30T22:41:43 < upgrdman> hmm k
2017-06-30T22:43:38 < upgrdman> ahhh WHAT THE FUCK
2017-06-30T22:43:39 < upgrdman> fixed it
2017-06-30T22:44:14 < upgrdman> for some STUPUID FUCKING REASON if i plug my stlink into my usb hub, it wont work in the vm. if i plug it in my surface dock (which is itself a usb hub) it fucking works in the vm
2017-06-30T22:44:27 < Getty> haha
2017-06-30T22:44:32 < upgrdman> maybe vmware doesnt like too many hubs daisy chained
2017-06-30T22:44:36 < Getty> yeah the "chain" is also relevant right
2017-06-30T22:44:43 < Getty> you could catch the usb hub directly and so get all devices on it
2017-06-30T22:45:03 < Getty> but yeah buy always many many hubs and test them out and throw those out who are shit
2017-06-30T22:45:09 < Getty> i had one USB hub that made a USB network boil
2017-06-30T22:45:17 < Getty> ah yeah.. the fun of usb
2017-06-30T22:45:20 < upgrdman> but other devices on that hub work in the vm
2017-06-30T22:45:29 < upgrdman> so i dunno why it was fucked
2017-06-30T22:45:36 < Getty> the stlink is a pretty shitty usb device
2017-06-30T22:45:49 < upgrdman> maybe vmware is like "i give up recursively searching hubs after N levels"
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2017-06-30T22:46:11 < crt> Waifus
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2017-06-30T22:52:29 < crt> Woke up early craving kanjers
2017-06-30T22:52:57 < upgrdman> wuts a kanjers
2017-06-30T22:52:57 < Steffanx> oh noes.
2017-06-30T22:53:05 < Steffanx> Bestestest stroopwafels in the world
2017-06-30T22:53:24 < sync> upgrdman: have Steffanx send you some samples
2017-06-30T22:53:41 < sync> and get proper dutch diabetes
2017-06-30T22:53:48 < Steffanx> This aussie received 1.6kg of em D
2017-06-30T22:53:48 < Steffanx> :D
2017-06-30T22:53:54 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-06-30T22:54:15 < upgrdman> dutchiabetes sounds like fun
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2017-06-30T22:55:30 < Steffanx> I wonder where diabetes type 2 is more an issue. Yankeeland or dutchland
2017-06-30T22:59:00 < jpa-> i'm confirmed non-diabetic since this monday, so definitely not finland
2017-06-30T23:00:46 < Steffanx> I wouldnt be so sure. The other half of finland has a chance to have it.
2017-06-30T23:00:50 < Steffanx> aka kakimir.
2017-06-30T23:01:15 < Steffanx> Also the dutch variant.
2017-06-30T23:02:00 < crt> :D
2017-06-30T23:02:31 < crt> I wonder how long the flight is to windmill
2017-06-30T23:02:46 < Steffanx> Slightly shorter than to London i guess
2017-06-30T23:04:41 < crt> Yah I was thinking that
2017-06-30T23:04:52 < crt> Book a stroopwafel holiday crt
2017-06-30T23:07:12 < Steffanx> you dont want that.
2017-06-30T23:08:14 < Steffanx> It started to rain yesterday evening and it still rains, non-stop
2017-06-30T23:08:27 < sync> gotta pump out your country for a few years now
2017-06-30T23:09:17 < crt> Apparently it's cold today
2017-06-30T23:09:55 < Steffanx> !wz aussieland
2017-06-30T23:09:56 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-06-30T23:10:11 < Steffanx> !wz darwin
2017-06-30T23:10:12 < dieforirc> [Darwin, Australia] Clear. Temp is 22.4°C. SE wind: 5.0 kph.
2017-06-30T23:11:28 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OjlmAfQk/IMG_0394.PNG
2017-06-30T23:11:59 < crt> I'm hiding under the blankets
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2017-06-30T23:16:22 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/n5kDpwsn/IMG_0316.MP4
2017-06-30T23:16:39 < crt> And one for good old times
2017-06-30T23:18:04 < crt> Steffan's fave cat
2017-06-30T23:26:49 < crt> Get back here mate
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2017-06-30T23:49:24 < Steffanx> hokey.
2017-06-30T23:50:59 < crt> Ya
2017-06-30T23:52:17 < crt> What's happening
2017-06-30T23:54:30 < crt> LECTURE 1
2017-06-30T23:58:17 < Steffanx> Creating Random Talk 101
2017-06-30T23:58:27 < crt> Lol
2017-06-30T23:59:13 < crt> Step 1: create a warm welcome / greeting. Better still welcome yourself
2017-06-30T23:59:36 < Steffanx> Thank you! Welcome
2017-06-30T23:59:53 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4YgNXE4y/IMG_0069.PNG
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