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2017-08-01T00:40:00 < ohsix> karlp: re: bt, probably name game, that's how bt rolls; though there might be an entirely new thing too
2017-08-01T00:40:22 < ohsix> haven't seen anything about mesh in any briefs about new stuff fwiw
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2017-08-01T02:08:50 < Rob235> so I havent gotten this stepper to move yet
2017-08-01T02:19:12 < inca> having some trouble flashing 0x08000000 with custom USB DFU. I need to make sure everything gets located to RAM from Flash so it can keep executing once it erases 0x08000000.
2017-08-01T02:41:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sGqmyVO.gifv
2017-08-01T02:42:27 < dongs> inca, normal people normally have a bootloader
2017-08-01T02:42:39 < dongs> then you flash a userspace that updates bootloader
2017-08-01T02:42:46 < dongs> that userspace is very small and only has flash routines
2017-08-01T02:42:50 < dongs> which are in ram
2017-08-01T02:42:55 < dongs> which then erase bootloader and update it.
2017-08-01T02:43:42 < dongs> i dont think youre gonna get all of the mess that is DFU in ram in order to properly update in place. you're not zyp etc.
2017-08-01T02:45:37 < inca> running a test for writing to 0x0800 0000 (while the DFU bootloader resides there) gets as far as erasing the first sector. It dies before getting to the writing part. It seems close to being able to do this... though perhaps there is another way
2017-08-01T02:49:59 < inca> PIC
2017-08-01T02:50:48 < inca> hmm... can't seem to run HAL_Init() (which is on Flash)
2017-08-01T02:52:56 < dongs> yeah, your vector table is tehre
2017-08-01T02:52:59 < dongs> just do what i said duder
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2017-08-01T04:31:13 < ohsix> sup
2017-08-01T04:31:17 < dongs> englishman: yes
2017-08-01T04:31:22 < dongs> will be glued/fused/wahtever.
2017-08-01T04:31:29 < ohsix> anyone have a bead on the blue/green/black wdc thing and the seagate compute/other variant drives
2017-08-01T04:31:31 < dongs> made out of pvc (the grommet)
2017-08-01T04:31:55 < ohsix> gotta get new laptop hd and the cheapest seagate is a 'compute' drive
2017-08-01T04:33:15 < ohsix> going to have time later but if i could just order the shit now ut would be great.
2017-08-01T04:39:46 < ohsix> http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/hdd/ wtf do they call it compute for, that's dumb
2017-08-01T04:40:28 < ohsix> what's the difference between durable and dependable, seagate marketing fucks
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2017-08-01T05:26:42 < inca> dongs: so the flash routines get tagged and loaded into RAM, right?
2017-08-01T05:26:50 < inca> that's the part of the bootloader I'm working on
2017-08-01T05:28:09 < dongs> no, bootloader deosn't need to have anything in ram
2017-08-01T05:28:19 < dongs> bootlaoder never erases itself
2017-08-01T05:28:33 < dongs> bootloader/DFU to update userspace: proceed as normal
2017-08-01T05:28:44 < dongs> to update bootloader: flash new DFU/userspace that erases bootlaoder
2017-08-01T05:28:55 < dongs> actually that userspace doesnt even need to be in ram
2017-08-01T05:28:59 < dongs> cuz its not touching itself
2017-08-01T05:43:01 < dongs> god damn why the fuck do ST examples always provide a fucking fixed address for DMA examples for peripheral regs
2017-08-01T05:43:09 < dongs> what teh fuck is wrong wiht just doing &PERIPH->DR
2017-08-01T05:43:11 < dongs> but noo
2017-08-01T05:43:18 < dongs> #define FUCKING_REG 0x40012312412
2017-08-01T05:43:20 < dongs> like wat????
2017-08-01T05:43:22 < dongs> fucking WHY
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2017-08-01T06:05:53 < dongs> wtf is up with F0 DMA
2017-08-01T06:06:04 < dongs> im getting huge spacing between bytes
2017-08-01T06:06:06 < dongs> wtf
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2017-08-01T06:21:10 < emeb_mac> F0 DMA has worked fine for me
2017-08-01T06:21:22 < emeb_mac> SPI, I2S and ADC at least.
2017-08-01T06:22:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zW3oFQT.png
2017-08-01T06:22:10 < dongs> this is sent by DMA but there's huuuuuuuuuge gaps between cahrs??
2017-08-01T06:22:14 < dongs> like im fucking printing them individually
2017-08-01T06:22:29 < dongs> look at that IDLE shit
2017-08-01T06:22:31 < dongs> between each thing
2017-08-01T06:22:53 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/gE68t <-- what dongs has to endure every day
2017-08-01T06:23:28 < emeb_mac> so using DMA for UART output
2017-08-01T06:23:32 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-01T06:24:57 < emeb_mac> looks almost like it's 2x slower than it ought to be
2017-08-01T06:25:26 < emeb_mac> like it's doing 16-bit xfers or something
2017-08-01T06:25:40 < dongs> crt, you've been fired from DJbiz?
2017-08-01T06:26:03 < dongs> emeb_mac: 16bit over usart, wat
2017-08-01T06:26:24 < emeb_mac> dongs: well obviously it's only 8 bits on the output
2017-08-01T06:28:46 < dongs> memory./peripheral stuff is all 8bit
2017-08-01T06:29:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HwE1zSb.gifv
2017-08-01T06:31:18 < dongs> so y ou'll be quiet for a while
2017-08-01T06:34:49 < dongs> do i need to care about buffer alignment or something on f0
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2017-08-01T06:53:24 < englishman> dongs: f0 DMA troubles ehhhhh???????
2017-08-01T06:53:46 < englishman> with hueg gaps between transfers?????
2017-08-01T06:54:12 < englishman> I never figured mine out, just switched to f3, copypaste code was 1/20th delays
2017-08-01T06:54:36 < englishman> it was ws2812b driver and it was resetting latches between frames, it was so slow
2017-08-01T06:54:47 < dongs> i donno whats going on tho
2017-08-01T06:55:01 < englishman> my code looked identical to emeb's code he linked.... No idea
2017-08-01T06:55:27 < dongs> 1.6ms gap
2017-08-01T06:56:21 < englishman> wow
2017-08-01T06:56:25 < englishman> hueg
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2017-08-01T07:41:19 < inca> uwTick no longer increments now that I have a new section located in ram. weird.
2017-08-01T07:41:59 < dongs> youre still doing dumb shit arent you
2017-08-01T07:42:23 < dongs> writing a proper bootloader that can update itself in-place is not trivial
2017-08-01T07:42:58 < dongs> my suggestion doesnt require ANYTHING in ram, ever
2017-08-01T07:48:01 < inca> I'm having trouble understanding your suggestion. Is it to have a bootloader that jumps to user space app (e.g. a USB DFU device), which is in another sector and can overwrite 0x0800 0000?
2017-08-01T07:48:09 < dongs> waht
2017-08-01T07:48:14 < dongs> you have a bootloader at 0x8000 right?
2017-08-01T07:48:23 < dongs> and userspace starting at sayt 0x80004000 or whatever
2017-08-01T07:48:42 < dongs> you want to update usersapce with DFU, you simply use DFU and write to 0x8004000
2017-08-01T07:48:50 < dongs> nwo you want to update BOOTLOADER (for some reason)
2017-08-01T07:48:57 < dongs> you make a userspace that has bootloader.bin inside of it
2017-08-01T07:49:11 < dongs> and flash it with DFU, to 00x80004000 as normal
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2017-08-01T07:49:20 < dongs> when it boots, it checks itself, and erases/flashes over bootloader, then jumps to it
2017-08-01T07:49:32 < dongs> or just shuts down and tells user "bootlaoder updated, load proper userspace"
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2017-08-01T07:50:03 < inca> right. at this point in the bootstrapping process of production, there is no bootloader.
2017-08-01T07:50:22 < dongs> start making one
2017-08-01T07:50:47 < inca> I am replacing the builtin USB DFU because it does messed up things to the GPIO which turn on all the open-drain digital outputs which drive the machinery nuts.
2017-08-01T07:51:08 < dongs> should have read the bootloader appnote
2017-08-01T07:51:12 < dongs> to see which pins it touches at boot
2017-08-01T07:51:16 < dongs> and made sure thier state was known
2017-08-01T07:52:00 < inca> I had read that at one point. testing on the machine did not occur until later. details.
2017-08-01T07:52:17 < dongs> anywaty, i still have no idea where the problem is?
2017-08-01T07:52:31 < inca> problem is that I think I am solving the wrong problem
2017-08-01T07:52:38 < dongs> if you never need to update the bootloader, tehn just write one using DFU sample from ST, and point it to 0x80004000 for userspace, and done
2017-08-01T07:52:50 < dongs> then just recompile your userspace to boot from 0x???4000
2017-08-01T07:52:55 < inca> going to ask that we flash the bootloader we intend to put on there instead of this intermediate USB DFU stuff
2017-08-01T07:53:36 < inca> that would work, too... though they need the space. most of the 2 MB is used in their application code.
2017-08-01T07:53:56 < dongs> first page is like 16k
2017-08-01T07:54:02 < dongs> if they c an't spare 16k theyve got bigger issues
2017-08-01T07:54:42 < inca> like, why the hell doesn't uwTick++ (0x20000850) increment the memory
2017-08-01T07:55:37 < inca> probably messed up my linker script
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2017-08-01T07:59:20 < inca> maybe not. could be -fpic
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2017-08-01T08:00:39 < inca> yep. -fpic effed my ability to increment values in RAM.
2017-08-01T08:01:48 < inca> okay, we at least get to the RAM VMA/LMA stuff now. hmmm...
2017-08-01T08:02:08 < dongs> dude.
2017-08-01T08:02:12 < dongs> actually never mind
2017-08-01T08:02:14 < dongs> just keep wasting time
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2017-08-01T08:02:16 < inca> haha
2017-08-01T08:02:51 < inca> I probably don't even need to solve this problem, it just bugs me that it's so difficult to run a few pieces of code out of RAM
2017-08-01T08:03:47 < dongs> not in keil
2017-08-01T08:03:54 < dongs> but then again, youre not using proper compiler either
2017-08-01T08:04:08 < inca> Atollic, fwiw
2017-08-01T08:07:04 < inca> which is a modified GCC IIRC
2017-08-01T08:10:23 < inca> hmm... execution just runs free in 0x20 instead of returning back to 0x08 land
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2017-08-01T08:22:34 < PaulFertser> inca: normally all you need is to add the attribute to place a function in RAM, and the linker will handle copying it there and using proper pointers to run it and return back to flash.
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2017-08-01T08:25:06 < inca> PaulFertser: there needs to be a section defined in the linker script as well. I think that may be what I am doing incorrectly.
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2017-08-01T08:25:28 < PaulFertser> inca: indeed, you need a section in LD script
2017-08-01T08:25:29 < inca> https://hastebin.com/cebitigeki.hs
2017-08-01T08:27:18 < PaulFertser> inca: looks proper
2017-08-01T08:28:21 < inca> the macro used in front of the functions/data I want in that section: #define RAM_FUNC __attribute__((long_call, section(".RamFunc")))
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2017-08-01T08:28:51 < PaulFertser> inca: I do not think you need long_call
2017-08-01T08:29:12 < inca> -fpic or -fPIC both cause the systick memory location to fail to increment
2017-08-01T08:32:55 < inca> it looks like it is messing up at the USB driver interface. the structure of function pointers is not making the long jump.
2017-08-01T08:34:19 < inca> USBD_DFU_MediaTypeDef USBD_DFU_fops_FS
2017-08-01T08:38:13 < inca> aha! a clue about -fpic https://community.st.com/thread/34277-hi-anyone-knows-how-to-compile-code-for-stm32-using-gcc-which-can-be-loaded-at-any-position-in-flash-and-works-ok#comment-153908
2017-08-01T08:39:50 < inca> so put .isr_vector into RAM
2017-08-01T08:48:30 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGFj7g0XkAAb-sz.jpg
2017-08-01T08:49:22 < dongs> Call.of.Duty.Black.Ops.III.Zombies.Chronicles-RELOADED size: 115793MB what teh fuck at this poinmt you might as well just buy the fucking game
2017-08-01T08:49:27 < dongs> and it better ship on a fucking SSD
2017-08-01T08:49:46 < dongs> thats like over typical amaerican monthly download cap right there
2017-08-01T08:53:26 < ohsix> that's a bad echo
2017-08-01T08:55:07 < ohsix> or not https://www.srrdb.com/release/details/Call.of.Duty.Black.Ops.III.Zombies.Chronicles-RELOADED
2017-08-01T08:57:39 < ohsix> it will probably be propered by someone that removes a bunch of duff
2017-08-01T08:59:13 < inca> I think I blew the stack
2017-08-01T08:59:44 < inca> but why doesn't linker complain. hmmm
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2017-08-01T09:19:16 < ohsix> eagle is pretty nice
2017-08-01T09:19:19 < ohsix> woah wtf
2017-08-01T09:19:32 < ohsix> changed out router and the difference in latency in ssh is palpable
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2017-08-01T09:19:52 < ohsix> i'd have not guessed that would happen
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2017-08-01T09:25:59 < inca> doh... do I need to configure things in system_stm32f4xx.c
2017-08-01T09:26:25 < inca> VECT_TAB_SRAM
2017-08-01T09:27:31 < ohsix> are you asking or
2017-08-01T09:27:46 < inca> both
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2017-08-01T09:37:00 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/obIlvQt.gifv
2017-08-01T09:41:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ueV0BJg.png well got my DMA worked out, this is actually manual byte write but still fast enough. the IDLEs were misconfigured guard time
2017-08-01T09:41:46 < dongs> so it was same slwo either manual writing or DMA
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2017-08-01T11:17:02 < dongs> whoa
2017-08-01T11:17:18 < dongs> taiwanfags released a bunch of new USB3 hardware for logic analyzer
2017-08-01T11:17:37 < dongs> and prices arent terrible, maybe i should ugprade my pokemonanalyzer
2017-08-01T11:17:48 < dongs> cuz their software is still superior to anything ive fucked around with
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2017-08-01T11:25:27 < dongs> http://www.acute.com.tw/eng/p3_product_detail.php?cid=11&tid=18 TB1016F is only $170
2017-08-01T11:27:50 < zyp> can it only do I2C, RS232 and SPI or what?
2017-08-01T11:27:54 < dongs> no
2017-08-01T11:28:02 < dongs> those "60+ softawre decoders"
2017-08-01T11:28:07 < dongs> in the bus decode list
2017-08-01T11:28:17 < dongs> i2c/rs for hardware trigger
2017-08-01T11:28:29 < dongs> but you can software trigger jsut as well, i dont really see a reason
2017-08-01T11:28:53 < zyp> hmm, 200MHz
2017-08-01T11:29:11 < zyp> what did that TL thing I were looking at before do?
2017-08-01T11:29:21 < zyp> ah, right, this is cheap because it just streams over USB
2017-08-01T11:29:25 < dongs> 200 but with internal sram (and usb2), so it was limited
2017-08-01T11:29:31 < dongs> this one does 200mhz and streams it over usb3
2017-08-01T11:29:59 < dongs> all their shit is 200 (and higher timing stuff for the buffered ones)
2017-08-01T11:30:02 < dongs> travelbus stuff is buffered
2017-08-01T11:30:07 < dongs> er NOT buffered
2017-08-01T11:30:36 < dongs> TL3017E             $660 (buffered shit, with like 1gbit sram or something, similar to waht i have now with 18mbit sram)
2017-08-01T11:30:52 < dongs> that one can do something liek 2ghz timing shit (and 200mhz transitional)
2017-08-01T11:31:16 < zyp> how much is the TB1016B?
2017-08-01T11:31:22 < dongs> 520
2017-08-01T11:34:58 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/249504031/sparkmaker-the-most-affordable-desktop-sla-3d-prin oh look another dickstarter 3d printer
2017-08-01T11:35:02 < dongs> will surely deliver on time!!!111
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2017-08-01T11:45:31 < dongs> travelbus software looks OK
2017-08-01T11:45:36 < dongs> actually has 64butt version
2017-08-01T11:45:42 < dongs> looks like uses QT or some other filth for UI tho
2017-08-01T11:45:50 < dongs> protocol decoders are ~same as in travelogic
2017-08-01T11:46:32 < dongs> USB-PD analysis, nice
2017-08-01T11:58:36 < zyp> doubt they use qt without releasing it for other than windows
2017-08-01T11:59:02 < dongs>  there are people who truly do nto give a fuck about lunix and macfag, me included
2017-08-01T11:59:14 < dongs> if i wrote something in QT i wouldnt spend even a second thinking about compiling it for lunix
2017-08-01T11:59:26 < dongs> but i saw c:/program files/ in file open dialog
2017-08-01T11:59:27 < zyp> but you wouldn't use qt either
2017-08-01T11:59:32 < dongs> and that immediately smelled of QT faggotry
2017-08-01T11:59:52 < dongs> ive considered it but urrite
2017-08-01T11:59:57 < zyp> umm, pretty sure qt uses platform dependent slashes
2017-08-01T12:00:01 < dongs> no it does not
2017-08-01T12:00:30 < dongs> all QT apps ive seen on windows all had forward slashes
2017-08-01T12:00:45 < dongs> unless its some special setting that all lunix faggots try to force
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2017-08-01T12:08:10 < Thorn> http://agateau.com/2015/qdir-separator-considered-harmful/
2017-08-01T12:09:35 < Steffanx> *Qt. Not QT. QT is quick time. :p
2017-08-01T12:09:56 < marble_visions> dongs: how do the above compare to saleae?
2017-08-01T12:10:17 < marble_visions> the saleae is more expensive probably..
2017-08-01T12:11:16 < dongs> saleae is garbage software and even worse hardware. they tried to sell a $3 ez-usb fx2 for $100 for years, fuck them hard
2017-08-01T12:11:38 < dongs> anyway, this is not for hobbyist shit, just buy $5 saleae clone from china and make sure they don't get paid
2017-08-01T12:11:40 < zyp> IIRC it was $150, I bought one
2017-08-01T12:11:54 < dongs> logic16? yeah
2017-08-01T12:11:58 < zyp> no, 8
2017-08-01T12:12:03 < dongs> 200mhz, as long as you only use 1 channel
2017-08-01T12:12:06 < dongs> 2 channels = 100mhz
2017-08-01T12:12:06 < dongs> etc
2017-08-01T12:12:15 < dongs> or was that the logic16 that did taht
2017-08-01T12:12:20 < zyp> yes
2017-08-01T12:12:27 < zyp> logic8 is max 24 regardless of channels
2017-08-01T12:12:35 < dongs> oh logic8 is fucking ezusb fx2
2017-08-01T12:12:39 < Thorn> what is wrong with saleae software, works for me
2017-08-01T12:12:42 < dongs> that china sells for $5 now
2017-08-01T12:12:45 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-08-01T12:12:58 < zyp> I've used logic16 too, had some at my old job
2017-08-01T12:13:00 < Thorn> latest version works with an old clone too
2017-08-01T12:13:20 < dongs> their softwaer is just unusable shit and bus decoders are broken crap
2017-08-01T12:13:30 < zyp> I brought my logic8 when I were working on some project, and somebody said "hey, that's neat" and ordered a couple of logic16s
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2017-08-01T12:21:51 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome
2017-08-01T12:33:01 < invzim> I got the original logic and like it
2017-08-01T12:34:16 < invzim> is there a way to control what stm32 sends out on MOSI pin while doing a read?
2017-08-01T12:34:40 < invzim> having trouble reading a spi flash, and looks like I will be heading into the soup (again)
2017-08-01T12:34:45 < invzim> why can't anything just work
2017-08-01T12:35:04 < dongs> anyone ever bought STM32 on dies?
2017-08-01T12:35:13 < dongs> like for wirebonding to somewhere else
2017-08-01T12:37:35 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/c2798.html
2017-08-01T12:39:54 < zyp> invzim, how do you distinguish between a read and a write?
2017-08-01T12:40:33 < zyp> SPI does both in a single operation
2017-08-01T12:40:37 < invzim> MOSI/MISO pins?
2017-08-01T12:40:41 < dongs> during read the flash doesnt care whats on mosi
2017-08-01T12:40:48 < dongs> you usually just clock out shit like 0xAA
2017-08-01T12:40:49 < dongs> or 0xFF
2017-08-01T12:40:54 < zyp> or 0x00
2017-08-01T12:40:57 < dongs> i do AA
2017-08-01T12:41:06 < invzim> fpga keeps it low, 0x00, stm32 does high 0xff
2017-08-01T12:41:13 < invzim> just looking at the details as shit isn't working
2017-08-01T12:41:31 < zyp> invzim, bullshit, stm32 does exactly what you tell it to
2017-08-01T12:41:41 < invzim> he, I'm beginning to get acclimatized refering to stuff as shit :)
2017-08-01T12:41:44 < zyp> i.e. whatever you put in DR
2017-08-01T12:42:45 < invzim> using HAL_SPI_Receive
2017-08-01T12:43:04 < dongs> bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt
2017-08-01T12:43:07 < dongs> found the problem
2017-08-01T12:43:15 < invzim> no bueno?
2017-08-01T12:43:26 < invzim> cubemx..?
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2017-08-01T12:44:34 < dongs> use HAL_SPI_Transfer instead
2017-08-01T12:44:45 < dongs> or just look at he fucking code
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2017-08-01T12:49:14 < Thorn> polled SPI transfer is wait for TXE; DR := data_to_send; wait for RXNE; received_data := DR; repeat
2017-08-01T12:49:32 < zyp> yes
2017-08-01T12:49:34 < Thorn> whether it's a read or a write is your problem, it's the same to SPI
2017-08-01T12:50:13 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/spi/spi.h#n27 <- my lib does either with a single function, if you just want a read you ignore the argument, if you just want a write you ignore the return value
2017-08-01T12:50:32 < Thorn> if you'reading then do DR := 0 or 0xff
2017-08-01T12:51:34 < zyp> I don't check TXE though, it's enough to check RXNE when doing both read and write together
2017-08-01T12:52:16 < zyp> i.e. since read and write is synchronous, it's enough to do read flow control
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2017-08-01T13:21:56 < dongs> dave jobless?
2017-08-01T13:33:02 < marble_visions> dongs: stm32 on dies.. what do you have in mind?
2017-08-01T13:33:09 < marble_visions> as a project*
2017-08-01T13:34:19 < dongs> marble_visions: stuff
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2017-08-01T13:44:38 < marble_visions> right
2017-08-01T13:50:05 < zyp> dongs is too cheap to buy chips and solder them to boards, cheaper to just wirebond them and cover with epoxy
2017-08-01T13:54:40 < zyp> china
2017-08-01T13:55:54 < zyp> hmm, this TI toolchain makes weird elfs
2017-08-01T13:56:48 < zyp> .data is marked ALLOC only, doesn't have a separate LMA
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2017-08-01T14:27:16 < Steffanx> Code composer Studio?
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2017-08-01T14:38:17 < inca> my ISRs are not getting called when vector table is in RAM
2017-08-01T14:40:13 < inca> because clearly the linker has not loaded it into RAM.
2017-08-01T14:41:41 < zyp> Steffanx, yes
2017-08-01T14:41:54 < zyp> or rather, CGT which is the compiler toolchain that ships with CCS
2017-08-01T14:42:31 < zyp> right now I just have CCS calling scons, which builds with CGT, so CCS isn't strictly a dependency anymore
2017-08-01T14:42:54 < inca> 0x0000000008000000  20030000                    ...
2017-08-01T14:43:04 < inca> great location for an interrupt
2017-08-01T14:43:36 < zyp> inca, maybe you should read up on what the vectors are
2017-08-01T14:44:01 < zyp> inca, vector 0 is the initial stack vector, pointing it to end of ram is entirely normal
2017-08-01T14:44:18 < zyp> so assuming this is a f42x, that's perfectly normal
2017-08-01T14:44:37 < zyp> (or other part with 192k of normal sram (not ccs))
2017-08-01T14:44:42 < zyp> ccm*
2017-08-01T14:45:23 < inca> zyp: the VMA is 0x20000000 and the LMA is 0x08000000 for the .isr_vector, yet it's not getting copied over
2017-08-01T14:47:14 < zyp> inca, what do you expect to copy it over?
2017-08-01T14:47:47 < inca> isn't the reset handler supposed to copy from LMA to VMA?
2017-08-01T14:48:17 < zyp> the LMA and VMA values listed in the .elf file are irrelevant, nothing reads them
2017-08-01T14:48:36 < zyp> when you extract the binary image that you write to flash, that information is lost
2017-08-01T14:49:15 < zyp> your startup code needs to be explicitly told by other means what sections to copy, from where to where
2017-08-01T14:49:46 < inca> right. copying it now explicitly.
2017-08-01T14:50:21 < zyp> usually startup code just accounts for .data and .bss to exist
2017-08-01T14:50:58 < zyp> I thought about generalizing that in my startup code, so startup code just gets an array of stuff to copy/clear, and then linker script can also fill this array
2017-08-01T14:51:24 < zyp> thereby adding new sections without modifying startup code
2017-08-01T14:52:46 < inca> I could have sworn I had seen that before... which would make a lot of sense given the nature of a linker script and startup process for an MCU.
2017-08-01T14:53:55 < zyp> probably not a lot of need
2017-08-01T14:57:43 < inca> it is optimizing out my writes to RAM... because the pointer variable is not used again. *palm face*
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2017-08-01T15:12:32 < inca> why wouldn't this work? *(__IO uint32_t*)(0x200000000) = 0;
2017-08-01T15:17:47 < inca> what the hell
2017-08-01T15:17:53 < inca> this is insane
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2017-08-01T15:18:58 < jaakkos> inca: 0x200000000 is 36 bits wide?
2017-08-01T15:19:21 < PaulFertser> inca: hehe
2017-08-01T15:19:31  * inca face palms
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2017-08-01T15:31:00 < inca> zyp: it does it for .data sections.
2017-08-01T15:31:05 < inca> jaakkos: thank you
2017-08-01T15:31:40 < inca> holy crap, I think it's working
2017-08-01T15:32:02 < inca> running stuff from RAM!!! woohoo!!!
2017-08-01T15:32:12 < marble_visions> inca: gg
2017-08-01T15:32:29 < inca> marble_visions! =)
2017-08-01T15:32:33 < inca> o/
2017-08-01T15:43:15 < dongs> crap composter studio
2017-08-01T15:44:32 < Steffanx> Dont you love it?
2017-08-01T15:44:35 < Steffanx> I did.
2017-08-01T15:51:01 < zyp> not a big fan
2017-08-01T15:51:03 < dongs> the closest i got to experiencing it was installing cockwarrior with nxp PROCESSOR EXPERT
2017-08-01T15:51:11 < dongs> which was also shittified eclipse
2017-08-01T15:51:13 < zyp> but it's ok, I've figured out how to get by
2017-08-01T15:51:26 < dongs> something kinetis somethign or other
2017-08-01T15:51:38 < dongs> when NXP released first cortex - m4 with OPTIONAL fpu
2017-08-01T15:51:42 < dongs> and i was like YAY
2017-08-01T15:51:45 < dongs> then i saw the development tools
2017-08-01T15:51:49 < dongs> and iwas like NOOOOOOOOO
2017-08-01T15:51:59 < zyp> haha
2017-08-01T15:52:03 < dongs> and then the fucking jtag dongle
2017-08-01T15:52:08 < dongs> that was on evb
2017-08-01T15:52:23 < dongs> some bullshit unusable thing
2017-08-01T15:53:32 < zyp> I figured out CCS have a .projectspec thing, so instead of adding a pile of IDE metadata trash to my git repo, I just add a .projectspec which allows it to be imported to the IDE as a project and then initializes all the metadata properly
2017-08-01T15:53:53 < zyp> and the .projectspec is only a few lines, sets mcu target and shit like that, easy to hand maintain
2017-08-01T15:54:49 < zyp> also ripped out the build shit, so I just have CCS call scons instead
2017-08-01T15:55:04 < zyp> all I need CCS for is to interface with the JTAG shit on the devboard
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2017-08-01T16:16:59 < aandrew> < jaakkos> inca: 0x200000000 is 36 bits wide?
2017-08-01T16:17:00 < aandrew> hahahaha
2017-08-01T16:17:33 < aandrew> oh god processor expert is a full three levels of hell lower than Keil shit
2017-08-01T16:18:46 < aandrew> I don't know if I'd put anything Eclipse based above or below Keil.  Eclipse is total shit, but at least it still uses an open compiler
2017-08-01T16:29:05 < Steffanx> Bla bla is what i read aandrew ( no hard feelings) :P
2017-08-01T16:31:01 < zyp> aandrew, TI CGT isn't open AFAIK :p
2017-08-01T16:38:37 < englishman> >at least it still uses an open compiler
2017-08-01T16:38:42 < englishman> a requirement of absolutely nobody
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2017-08-01T16:52:27 < aandrew> Steffanx: hah, no, no hard feelings. we are all pro and take potshots at each other's proness
2017-08-01T16:52:43 < aandrew> I've seen people who can absolutely make Eclipse dance, but fuck that shit
2017-08-01T16:53:19 < aandrew> gimme a command line and and editor, I don't need 16GB of clippy-like "hey would you like me to autocomplete that variable for you?" or "please wait, indexing" bullshit
2017-08-01T16:53:42 < englishman> just because you can race a 1992 lada niva in paris-dakar doesnt mean you should
2017-08-01T16:54:01 < aandrew> englishman: open compiler is perhaps not what I meant to say -- what I mean is that I can work on and build the system without any dependency on some idiotic toolchain that gets in my way more than it helps
2017-08-01T16:54:26 < englishman> worksonmymachine.pro
2017-08-01T16:54:33 < englishman> never fought once against armcc
2017-08-01T16:54:47 < aandrew> I've had nothing but pain from keil
2017-08-01T16:55:04 < aandrew> that and it's candy coloured IDE
2017-08-01T16:55:15 < aandrew> granted I don't think Keil has *ever* fucked up a project on me, unlike Eclipse
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2017-08-01T16:58:10 < Steffanx> Youre doing it work(tm)
2017-08-01T17:01:04 < marble_visions> no love for iar in this chan?
2017-08-01T17:02:20 < marble_visions> keil is somewhat lacking in linker functionality, from what i've seen
2017-08-01T17:03:01 < marble_visions> is armcc the whole thing or there's armld, etc?
2017-08-01T17:03:08 < aandrew> wtf do you need from a linker?
2017-08-01T17:03:29 < aandrew> take these object files, use this map and put shit where the map says to
2017-08-01T17:03:41 < aandrew> LTO isn't even terribly difficult
2017-08-01T17:03:53 < marble_visions> lto?
2017-08-01T17:05:00 < zyp> LTO is more like an intermediate step, I'd say
2017-08-01T17:07:27 < aandrew> yes, that's why I didn't quite include it in the linker stage
2017-08-01T17:08:53 < zyp> I'm also curious how a linker can be lacking
2017-08-01T17:09:08 < marble_visions> can't remember now
2017-08-01T17:09:17 < marble_visions> maybe iar's was easier to use?
2017-08-01T17:09:29 < marble_visions> generally i've had a better xp there
2017-08-01T17:10:28 < zyp> I have the impression that IAR is largely regarded a joke
2017-08-01T17:11:01 < marble_visions> why?
2017-08-01T17:11:25 < zyp> maybe because the UI looks like it's from windows 3.1?
2017-08-01T17:11:45 < marble_visions> big deal, at least you can nest folders in the gui
2017-08-01T17:12:24 < zyp> idk, is there anything IAR does better than keil or gcc?
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2017-08-01T17:13:53 < marble_visions> nesting directories
2017-08-01T17:13:58 < marble_visions> and subprojects
2017-08-01T17:13:58 < englishman> cheaper
2017-08-01T17:14:07 < zyp> cheaper than gcc?
2017-08-01T17:14:13 < englishman> than keil
2017-08-01T17:14:14 < marble_visions> misra checks!
2017-08-01T17:14:24 < marble_visions> stack analysis..
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2017-08-01T17:14:41 < englishman> TCO of gcc is higher i'm sure
2017-08-01T17:15:14 < englishman> if you have to pay aandrew for a month to write linker scrips or makefiles, whatever those are, might as well pay IAR
2017-08-01T17:15:36 < zyp> heh
2017-08-01T17:18:07 < marble_visions> how much does keil cost? iar?
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2017-08-01T17:35:33 < qyx> wtf, 36°C
2017-08-01T17:35:54 < qyx> 13 in karlpland, much betteer
2017-08-01T17:41:42 < englishman> !wz leipzig
2017-08-01T17:41:44 < dieforirc> [Leipzig, Germany] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 36.2°C.
2017-08-01T17:41:57 < englishman> !wz kef
2017-08-01T17:41:58 < dieforirc> [Keffi, Nigeria] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 28°C but feels like 31°C. West wind: 17 kph. Humidity: 70%.
2017-08-01T17:42:04 < englishman> !wz keflavik
2017-08-01T17:42:04 < dieforirc> [Keflavik, Iceland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 13°C. WNW wind: 13 kph. Humidity: 77%.
2017-08-01T17:42:13 < englishman> check sout
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2017-08-01T17:52:27 < Steffanx> !wz bob
2017-08-01T17:52:28 < dieforirc> [Bobbili, India] Rain. Temp is 25°C. West wind: 2 kph. Humidity: 84%.
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2017-08-01T18:34:07 < inca> hmmm... function pointers still not working accross RAM and FLASH.
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2017-08-01T18:56:51 < inca> Linker script was slightly off
2017-08-01T18:57:49 < inca> needed to add the sections to .data rather than creating a new .section and locating it in RAM. Perhaps it was not locating the beginning of .data at the end of .RamFunc.
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2017-08-01T19:04:27 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/UnlinedCelebratedFanworms
2017-08-01T19:10:55 < Steffanx> Whats so special there englishman ?
2017-08-01T19:11:32 < englishman> pretty big cpu there
2017-08-01T19:12:10 < Steffanx> Ok
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2017-08-01T19:18:35 < englishman> is 180W the highest TDP ever?
2017-08-01T19:18:38 < englishman> i think it is
2017-08-01T19:18:51 < englishman> no wonder it needs such a huge contact area for heatsink
2017-08-01T19:19:08 < sync> ENIAC had 150kW avg
2017-08-01T19:19:39 < englishman> AMD will be there in a couple years at this rate
2017-08-01T19:19:56 < sync> hmm, sparc t4 has 240W
2017-08-01T19:20:09 < englishman> wow
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2017-08-01T19:20:51 < englishman> also huge
2017-08-01T19:21:10 < englishman> so AMD has broken the x86 TDP record once again
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2017-08-01T19:23:05 < sync> fx9590 had 220W
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2017-08-01T19:29:10 < englishman> hmm so we can expect that 180W to be pushed even higher with the super gamer edition cpus
2017-08-01T19:29:11 < englishman> awesome
2017-08-01T19:29:53 < englishman> my chickens only have a 200W heat lamp, soon il be able to play minecraft and grow chickens at the same time, how efficient
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2017-08-01T19:33:13 < sync> put your buttcoin miner in the coup
2017-08-01T19:40:02 < Steffanx> 180W isnt that weird when you see it as 2 cpus imho
2017-08-01T19:41:08 < BrainDamage> the problem is that you have 2 cpu in the same physical location
2017-08-01T19:41:16 < BrainDamage> the power density increases
2017-08-01T19:41:49 < Steffanx> maybe, but it's also huge for a reason
2017-08-01T19:42:10 < sync> there are four dies in there
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2017-08-01T19:45:03 < boB_K7IQ> Good morning...   Has anyone here ever used another SWD debugger instead of the ST-Link (V2) such as the LPC-Link SWD unit ?  Very similar to the ST link I think
2017-08-01T19:45:12 < boB_K7IQ> ON an ST part that is
2017-08-01T19:46:16 < englishman> sure, jlink, ulink etc
2017-08-01T19:47:07 < englishman> manufacturer-specific debugger probably won't support ST, unless by 3rd party tools like openocd
2017-08-01T19:49:30 < englishman> lpclink2 looks pretty different from stlink
2017-08-01T19:50:40 < PaulFertser> openocd can use different swd adapters for different targets, yes
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2017-08-01T20:32:42  * inca wonders if there is a way to swap 0x0800 0000 with 0x0810 0000 in syscfg
2017-08-01T20:33:23 < marble_visions> inca i read an application note about that yesterday..
2017-08-01T20:33:31 < marble_visions> they don't
2017-08-01T20:34:05 < marble_visions> it says to do linker magic
2017-08-01T20:34:06 < BrainDamage> spotted englishman https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Englishham.jpg
2017-08-01T20:34:07 < inca> nuts. I can get my program to run at all the flash locations lower than 0x0810 0000.
2017-08-01T20:34:43 < inca> I figured if I could do a remapping live, then I could just DFU bootload to the new region, swap, be done
2017-08-01T20:34:57 < marble_visions> oh wait, 0x0810_0000 is so far away..
2017-08-01T20:35:05 < marble_visions> ignore me
2017-08-01T20:35:11 < inca> yeah, I could do a jump
2017-08-01T20:35:22 < inca> then once it's erased, it wouldn't matter
2017-08-01T20:35:32 < marble_visions> BrainDamage: hahaha
2017-08-01T20:35:55 < marble_visions> inca: which stm32?
2017-08-01T20:35:56 < inca> still, marble_visions, what app note was it?
2017-08-01T20:36:07 < marble_visions> brb, i'll find it
2017-08-01T20:36:30 < inca> stm32f427II
2017-08-01T20:36:34 < inca> k
2017-08-01T20:38:33 < marble_visions> i've got an stm32f030r8, and in the section where they tell me that i've got no VTOR, they tell me to look at AN4065, STM32F0xx in-application programming using the USART
2017-08-01T20:39:47 < marble_visions> ugh, it was something around remapping the interrupts temporarily
2017-08-01T20:40:05 < marble_visions> skim through, maybe there's something of worth
2017-08-01T20:40:35 < inca> mmm
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2017-08-01T20:47:09 < marble_visions> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/family-photo.jpg
2017-08-01T20:47:22 < marble_visions> so Steffanx is the grownup here? :)
2017-08-01T20:56:08 < Steffanx> lol you  wish
2017-08-01T20:56:36 < Steffanx> but together with the one entirely in the back im have special powers
2017-08-01T20:57:54 < Steffanx> -m
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2017-08-01T21:04:30 < englishman> he is cordially known as papa steffans, despite being a filthy millenial
2017-08-01T21:04:53 < marble_visions> hahahaha
2017-08-01T21:06:27 < Steffanx> ah, so you finally except my millenialiness englishman
2017-08-01T21:07:11 < zyp> acknowledge and accept aren't the same thing
2017-08-01T21:07:43 < Steffanx> accept indeed
2017-08-01T21:07:59 < englishman> ACK
2017-08-01T21:08:00 < Steffanx> not sure how i wrote except.. probably because it sounds similar
2017-08-01T21:08:46 < Steffanx> it still a huge step forward zyp
2017-08-01T21:10:11 < marble_visions> anyone doing not c/cpp on the stm32's?
2017-08-01T21:10:35 < Steffanx> yes
2017-08-01T21:10:37 < Steffanx> but not me
2017-08-01T21:11:02 < marble_visions> also not assembly
2017-08-01T21:11:38 < englishman> running out of languages there
2017-08-01T21:11:49 < englishman> you can not do stm32 at all, that's the fastest way
2017-08-01T21:11:53 < Steffanx> someone mention doing this weird language once
2017-08-01T21:12:07 < Steffanx> Forth?
2017-08-01T21:12:27 < marble_visions> woah, that's exotic..
2017-08-01T21:13:30 < Steffanx> and lua
2017-08-01T21:13:45 < Steffanx> that guy all the way in the back in the photo did lua.
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2017-08-01T21:13:59 < Steffanx> Weird germans
2017-08-01T21:14:14 < zyp> people have dicked around with rust too
2017-08-01T21:14:33 < marble_visions> i'm doing ada
2017-08-01T21:14:40 < marble_visions> pour the shitstorm
2017-08-01T21:15:24 < marble_visions> disclaimer: hobby project, not commercial
2017-08-01T21:18:41 < Steffanx> awh
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2017-08-01T21:28:20 < Thorn> http://www.makewithada.org/ ?
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2017-08-01T21:29:47 < BrainDamage> ada is cool, but the ecosystem around it is pretty meh
2017-08-01T21:31:17 < Thorn> *nonexistent
2017-08-01T21:31:43 < Thorn> there is't even a compiler that would let you write closed source software
2017-08-01T21:32:20 < Steffanx> no keil.
2017-08-01T21:32:27 < marble_visions> Thorn: i think they've got their special exceptions to LGPL for that, but i haven't read into it
2017-08-01T21:32:37 < marble_visions> Thorn: yeah, makewithada
2017-08-01T21:34:01 < marble_visions> or you can purchase gnat pro, the license there surely lets you do closed-source
2017-08-01T21:36:02 < Thorn> > Pricing for GNAT Pro subscriptions starts at $15,000
2017-08-01T21:36:17 < Thorn> >annual subscription
2017-08-01T21:36:28 < BrainDamage> if you're boeing you don't give a shit
2017-08-01T21:37:31 < marble_visions> but we're not, unfortunately
2017-08-01T21:37:47 < marble_visions> they still provide the tools though
2017-08-01T21:54:44 < Steffanx> So who told you about this controversial irc channel about STM32 and crap ( mainly that ), marble_visions? :)
2017-08-01T21:56:44 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/zEVmkmH.png
2017-08-01T21:57:35 < marble_visions> LOL
2017-08-01T21:57:39 < marble_visions> englishman: ^
2017-08-01T21:58:09 < marble_visions> Steffanx: we work with stm's at $DAYJOB
2017-08-01T21:58:27 < marble_visions> this seeped into my free time
2017-08-01T21:59:00 < marble_visions> and i usually hang out chans that ive got stuff going on
2017-08-01T21:59:39 < marble_visions> there's an invite-only #stm32??
2017-08-01T22:00:29 < marble_visions> so yeah, i figured i could learn a lot from here
2017-08-01T22:00:44 < englishman> happy to disappoint you
2017-08-01T22:01:37 < marble_visions> yeah, i remember way back last year i think i asked sth and people told me to fuck off with my stdperiph bullshit
2017-08-01T22:01:53 < englishman> wat
2017-08-01T22:01:59 < englishman> stdperiphlib is great
2017-08-01T22:02:41 < marble_visions> well, we've found 3-4 bugs in it to date..
2017-08-01T22:03:11 < marble_visions> there was a lot of confusion
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2017-08-01T22:03:48 < marble_visions> but it's not supported anymore anyway
2017-08-01T22:04:10 < englishman> there's still maintenance releases on chips for which it was originally released, iirc
2017-08-01T22:04:19 < englishman> but yes ST is trying to replace it with HAL and LL
2017-08-01T22:05:01 < marble_visions> we were sold initially by the fact that it eases transitions between MCUs
2017-08-01T22:05:35 < marble_visions> but the fine print is that it preserves compatibility in the line itself
2017-08-01T22:05:37 < marble_visions> not across lines
2017-08-01T22:07:50 < Steffanx> marble_visions thats the original channel. the #stm32
2017-08-01T22:07:52 < marble_visions> englishman: do they offer anything outside of cube? the hal/ll you said? or do you need to butcher/generate sth from cube?
2017-08-01T22:08:18 < Steffanx> then we moved to this one, because officially you need ## for unofficial channels
2017-08-01T22:08:43 < englishman> LL is reasonably close to stdperiphlib
2017-08-01T22:09:03 < englishman> you'll be renaming a bunch of crap
2017-08-01T22:11:07 < marble_visions> Steffanx: whos hanging out at #stm32?
2017-08-01T22:11:24 < Steffanx> me
2017-08-01T22:11:53 < Steffanx> and chanserv
2017-08-01T22:12:37 < marble_visions> so because no one here is affiliated with st micro to manage the #, all of us are here in ##?
2017-08-01T22:13:01 < Steffanx> ja
2017-08-01T22:13:14 < marble_visions> makes sense
2017-08-01T22:13:55 < englishman> and it has to be an opensores project, or something
2017-08-01T22:14:16 < englishman> but for some reason scammers like #hackvana have their own channel without issue
2017-08-01T22:14:23 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyIm-o30GE
2017-08-01T22:14:39 < Thorn> >Amateur nuclear physics
2017-08-01T22:14:57 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/RyEZkoV.jpg
2017-08-01T22:15:55 < Steffanx> dad forbids you to post travis englishman
2017-08-01T22:17:46 < Steffanx> or whatever that guys name is
2017-08-01T22:18:15 < Steffanx> Terry
2017-08-01T22:19:20 < BrainDamage> Thorn: I've managed to get some positron emission by bombarding gold foil with 1.5MeV electrons from my linac
2017-08-01T22:20:48 < Thorn> >my linac
2017-08-01T22:20:59 < Thorn> wtf
2017-08-01T22:21:08 < BrainDamage> it's basically a giant crt
2017-08-01T22:21:09 < marble_visions> files
2017-08-01T22:21:17 < marble_visions> whops, ignore
2017-08-01T22:23:12 < marble_visions> englishman: well, doesn't matter # or ##
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2017-08-01T22:23:47 < Thorn> like this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/VARIAN-21iX-SILHOUETTE-LINEAR-ACCELERATOR-2006-OBI-CBCT-RAPID-ARC-SBRT-/222413085840
2017-08-01T22:24:01 < englishman> welcome to the finest chat channel in all the relays, your countdown to psychotic meltdown has begun
2017-08-01T22:24:12 < BrainDamage> mine is sliiiiightly more ghetto
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2017-08-01T22:25:09 < BrainDamage> scrapped togther with pieces of plexiglass tubing and a voltage multiplier ladder made of 30yo soviet nos caps
2017-08-01T22:25:58 < BrainDamage> can't even evacuate more than 10^-3Pa or the plexiglass start outgassing
2017-08-01T22:26:26 < BrainDamage> not that i need much more, the mean free path of electrons is already few km at that pressure
2017-08-01T22:30:11 < Thorn> that guy also makes these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTBjHJ93P9o
2017-08-01T22:39:49 < tpw_rules> BrainDamage: isn't that 10^-6 below atmosphere
2017-08-01T22:41:17 < tpw_rules> just wondering if i read those units right
2017-08-01T22:42:47 < BrainDamage> no, atmosphere is 10^5Pa, it's 10^8 below atmosphere
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2017-08-01T22:44:05 < BrainDamage> it's not particularry insane, your out the mill AC gas replacement pump will get you ~1Pa
2017-08-01T22:44:21 < BrainDamage> which i also use as roughening pump
2017-08-01T22:44:56 < BrainDamage> ask sync for actually ridicolous setups and vacuum of 10^-10
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2017-08-01T22:48:48 < tpw_rules> oh no i'm familiar with those. just couldn't remember if they were in play
2017-08-01T22:49:06 < tpw_rules> do you have an old turbopump or something to get it down past 1
2017-08-01T22:49:19 < BrainDamage> no, i use a molecular sieve in a cold trap
2017-08-01T22:49:44 < BrainDamage> the whole shit was on a 500€ budget between me & a friend
2017-08-01T22:49:49 < BrainDamage> which is why it's so ghetto
2017-08-01T22:49:55 < tpw_rules> what's your friend in it for
2017-08-01T22:50:11 < BrainDamage>  https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--s63D65iO--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/fio6nkh9rdtmio81zt9i.png
2017-08-01T22:51:05 < BrainDamage> we wanted to do pair production and mayyyybe a FEL, but we don't have nearly enough luminance for a FEL
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2017-08-01T22:52:59 < Thorn> how many vacuum pumps do you need in total, 2?
2017-08-01T22:53:27 < BrainDamage> yes in my case, altough the AC pump by itself is 2 scroll pumps
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2017-08-01T23:29:21 < Steffanx> Whats "FEL" mr BrainDamage?
2017-08-01T23:30:12 < BrainDamage> free electron laser
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2017-08-01T23:40:13 < englishman> wow, why does ToF sensing take 30-200ms
2017-08-01T23:40:18 < englishman> shouldn't it be like, reallyfast
2017-08-01T23:40:35 < tpw_rules> prolly cause it does it more than once
2017-08-01T23:41:05 < englishman> i can see that, but still, 200ms
2017-08-01T23:41:53 < englishman> kind of hard to measure distance to anything moving faster than a person would
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2017-08-01T23:47:57 < kakimir> what to do in internets?
2017-08-01T23:49:31 < kakimir> I don't know
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2017-08-01T23:53:10 < Steffanx> Fap.
2017-08-01T23:53:21 < Steffanx> What ToF sensoring is this englishman ?
2017-08-01T23:53:35 < englishman> from ST
2017-08-01T23:58:37 < kakimir> I don't want to force faps Steffanx
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2017-08-02T00:14:01 < kakimir> tell me stephan papa how wifi works thru aluminum laptop casing?
2017-08-02T00:14:04 < ohsix> englishman: 30-200ms on what?
2017-08-02T00:14:13 < ohsix> er ja
2017-08-02T00:14:18 < ohsix> from st is close enough
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2017-08-02T00:42:27 < ohsix> englishman: heheheh probably has something to do with st having 'developed and patented' it
2017-08-02T00:42:43 < ohsix> the kind of thing where yuo make something just different enough that you can patent it
2017-08-02T00:42:56 < ohsix> i thought most/all time of flight things using lasers/light used phase
2017-08-02T00:43:10 < ohsix> you can do it optically even
2017-08-02T00:55:50 < ohsix> englishman: without looking further, they show a timing budget in the datasheet that is a minimum, they probably use a pseudorandom bit sequence of a specific length, or something like a chipping code
2017-08-02T00:56:05 < ohsix> and the bit sequence does ranging, channel adjustment/compensation and all the shit at once
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2017-08-02T01:01:31 < ohsix> talking shit on slack and irc to avoid work
2017-08-02T01:01:32 < ohsix> bbl
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2017-08-02T01:33:55 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-08-02T01:36:21  * Laurenceb_ finally has a contract
2017-08-02T01:36:42 < tpw_rules> with the WH?
2017-08-02T01:36:50 < tpw_rules> i hear they've been wishy-washy with those
2017-08-02T01:37:01 < Laurenceb_> vibration peoples
2017-08-02T01:37:14 < tpw_rules> will you design me a vibrator
2017-08-02T01:37:26 < Laurenceb_> now I get paid on delivery of prototype system, just under ukp100k
2017-08-02T01:37:34 < Laurenceb_> sounds good to me
2017-08-02T01:37:55 < tpw_rules> oh but it costs £100k
2017-08-02T01:38:15 < tpw_rules> hm
2017-08-02T01:38:19 < tpw_rules> will it kill me
2017-08-02T01:38:50 < Laurenceb_> no it costs about 100
2017-08-02T01:40:06 < Laurenceb_> 4x magno,accel,gyro sensors with rs485 interface, base unit with datalogging,gps module with 868mhzlink, odb2 dongle with 868mhz and bluetooth link to ipad app
2017-08-02T01:41:19 < Laurenceb_> but they want some annoying backend server system
2017-08-02T01:41:29 < tpw_rules> do it entirely with fritzing and matlab for arduino
2017-08-02T01:43:07 < Laurenceb_> I'm not that big a troll
2017-08-02T01:43:49 < Laurenceb_> but I might be troll enough to write the server shit in matlab
2017-08-02T01:44:01 < tpw_rules> please
2017-08-02T01:44:10 < tpw_rules> you can just do it all in java but add some matlab functions
2017-08-02T01:45:04 < Laurenceb_> by far the biggest issue is nobody can agree what this server stuff actually does
2017-08-02T01:45:47 < ohsix> still avoiding, ordered laptop hd tho
2017-08-02T01:46:22 < tpw_rules> i think that's the same for matlab
2017-08-02T01:46:23 < ohsix> if 1tb is 50, then 320 should be like 24$, but shit doesn't work like that; so i got a 1tb thing that will only be a liability when it fails and i've filled it up :||||||||||
2017-08-02T01:47:02 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: vehicle test instrumentation?
2017-08-02T01:47:09 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: yeah
2017-08-02T01:47:23 < ohsix> nice
2017-08-02T01:48:03 < sync> Laurenceb_: not sure if you will be able to make it sub 100k
2017-08-02T01:48:07 < Laurenceb_> main ipad thing will display spectrograms of vibration versus vehicle speed and engine rpm
2017-08-02T01:48:24 < Laurenceb_> also transfer functions between sensors
2017-08-02T01:48:34 < sync> your dongule on the obd2 needs to be certified for automotive usage
2017-08-02T01:48:43 < Laurenceb_> I know
2017-08-02T01:48:48 < tpw_rules> what
2017-08-02T01:48:52 < Laurenceb_> lots of certification issues to address
2017-08-02T01:48:56 < tpw_rules> what manufacturer?
2017-08-02T01:49:09 < tpw_rules> of vehicle
2017-08-02T01:49:09 < Laurenceb_>  <-
2017-08-02T01:49:11 < sync> doesn't matter, it is EU legislation
2017-08-02T01:49:16 < Laurenceb_> oh, any
2017-08-02T01:49:22 < tpw_rules> oh
2017-08-02T01:49:23 < sync> but I wonder if it is even legal to tap the obd2 for non diag stuff
2017-08-02T01:49:24 < tpw_rules> buy a mechanic scan tool and hack it up
2017-08-02T01:49:33 < tpw_rules> some of em are just android tablets
2017-08-02T01:49:39 < tpw_rules> root it and make that your dashboard
2017-08-02T01:49:48 < tpw_rules> certified!
2017-08-02T01:49:53 < sync> no, those are not certified for automotive electronics
2017-08-02T01:49:55 < sync> which is a difference
2017-08-02T01:49:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah that is a route
2017-08-02T01:49:58 < sync> they plug in a car
2017-08-02T01:50:02 < sync> but they do not ride with it
2017-08-02T01:50:03 < tpw_rules> what are they certified for then
2017-08-02T01:50:07 < tpw_rules> yes they do
2017-08-02T01:50:09 < tpw_rules> that's the point of them
2017-08-02T01:50:14 < Laurenceb_> the guys I'm working with don't really care about such specifics
2017-08-02T01:50:15 < sync> sometimes
2017-08-02T01:50:29 < sync> but I have yet to see a scantool that has the proper certification
2017-08-02T01:50:35 < Laurenceb_> if I run out of time I'll just hack something off the shelf for odb
2017-08-02T01:50:38 < sync> OEM tools maybe
2017-08-02T01:50:48 < tpw_rules> does europe have the same flood of like insurance dongles
2017-08-02T01:50:57 < tpw_rules> what happens if you get pulled over with a $11 chinese one
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2017-08-02T01:51:35 < sync> nothing, because nobody cares, but if trollence_b makes them he has to comply to that shit
2017-08-02T01:51:51 < tpw_rules> i mean they're not for end customers
2017-08-02T01:52:01 < sync> that does not matter
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2017-08-02T01:52:25 < tpw_rules> so it's illegal for me to use the scan tool
2017-08-02T01:52:30 < tpw_rules> or stick wires up my obd port
2017-08-02T01:52:32 < sync> yes
2017-08-02T01:52:41 < tpw_rules> lame
2017-08-02T01:52:51 < tpw_rules> i suppose it's like fcc rules here
2017-08-02T01:53:10 < sync> it is also illegal to have a car with the canbus exposed to something connectable
2017-08-02T01:53:13 < sync> iirc
2017-08-02T01:54:53 < ohsix> then again, when you have the thing working and you need more funding, you have a strong position for getting the certification done
2017-08-02T01:57:04 < tpw_rules> sync: i mean that's what obd is...
2017-08-02T01:57:20 < sync> yes and no
2017-08-02T01:57:31 < tpw_rules> i know what you're about to say but that's not true of american cars at all
2017-08-02T01:57:54 < sync> the mfg is supposed to provide diag only on the obd2 port
2017-08-02T01:58:08 < sync> and a few mfgs have a gateway between the port and the rest of the car
2017-08-02T01:58:09 < tpw_rules> that was true of a VW i looked at
2017-08-02T01:58:30 < tpw_rules> but here they just wire all the busses right to the connector
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2017-08-02T01:59:36 < tpw_rules> same with my saab
2017-08-02T01:59:44 < sync> > 2017
2017-08-02T01:59:46 < sync> > saab
2017-08-02T01:59:48 < sync> pls
2017-08-02T01:59:53 < tpw_rules> they're coming back
2017-08-02T01:59:55 < tpw_rules> same with my mazda
2017-08-02T02:00:02 < tpw_rules> although it has like 2 total canbus devices
2017-08-02T02:00:16 < tpw_rules> it must be only german cars that do the gateway thing
2017-08-02T02:03:10 < sync> idk, american cars also seem to be less anal about being flashed
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2017-08-02T02:52:49 < englishman> just get a new car with wifi vulns
2017-08-02T02:52:58 < englishman> and hack ecu to tx telemetry
2017-08-02T03:00:49 < boB_K7IQ> englishman  Thank you for your response this morning. Just saw it now
2017-08-02T03:01:32 < boB_K7IQ> about STlink vs. LPClink etc
2017-08-02T03:22:28 < Laurenceb_> the mainstream meteor
2017-08-02T03:27:47 < Laurenceb_> >alt-right go on youtube
2017-08-02T03:27:54 < Laurenceb_> >advertisers pull ads
2017-08-02T03:28:03 < Laurenceb_> >notice no decrease in sales
2017-08-02T03:28:10 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2017-08-02T03:28:16 < Laurenceb_> >pull all their ads on google platforms
2017-08-02T03:28:21 < Laurenceb_> >google dies
2017-08-02T03:28:26 < Laurenceb_> >4chan kills google
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2017-08-02T03:29:48 < Laurenceb_> the future is now
2017-08-02T03:35:23 < ohsix> one problem
2017-08-02T03:35:28 < ohsix> that's not how advertising works
2017-08-02T03:35:43 < ohsix> most trademarks only go on brand recognition too
2017-08-02T03:36:00 < ohsix> and they aren't fine grained enough to do shit like a/b testing for that shit
2017-08-02T03:42:40 < Laurenceb_> https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10938739&cid=54921529
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2017-08-02T05:50:18 < ohsix> hehehe
2017-08-02T05:50:28 < ohsix> just saved the day because i'd built libopencm3-examples once before
2017-08-02T05:51:32 < ohsix> there's a guy at the meetup that is 'hot' in the iodine isotope sense.
2017-08-02T05:51:46 < ohsix> they're messing with a geiger counter & something near his navel is off the charts
2017-08-02T06:02:07 < dongs> obviously
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2017-08-02T07:36:05 < englishman> hi crt
2017-08-02T07:37:14 < englishman> Venezuela's Cash Is Now Worth Less Than Currency in 'World of Warcraft'
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2017-08-02T07:44:00 < englishman> apple earnings are in, 41 million iphones sold in the slow spring months
2017-08-02T07:44:17 < englishman> $260 billion in cash now
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2017-08-02T07:46:25 < englishman> he got nervous and sold yesterday so i bought his shares, the sucker
2017-08-02T07:46:37 < englishman> scaredy cat
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2017-08-02T09:42:49 < ohsix> oof
2017-08-02T09:42:56 < ohsix> don't look at atmel patents
2017-08-02T09:44:36 < ohsix> noticed a lot of marketing material today that mentioned patents where there really weren't any
2017-08-02T09:46:16 < ohsix> and atmel has a ton on obvious shit you might just do by chance if you were working in the area
2017-08-02T10:08:13 < Steffanx> Dont they all have that?
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2017-08-02T10:40:04 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome
2017-08-02T10:40:11 < Steffanx> How is crting?
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2017-08-02T12:49:53 < kakimir> hello pumps
2017-08-02T12:53:03 < Fleck> Steffanx: happy name day! :D
2017-08-02T13:07:11 < Steffanx> Wut fleck?!  :o
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2017-08-02T13:10:33 < Fleck> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_day <<<< (facepalm)
2017-08-02T13:12:36 < Steffanx> We dont do such day.
2017-08-02T13:12:46 < dongs> today is pants day in jp
2017-08-02T13:12:47 < Steffanx> But happy day we dont do Fleck :)
2017-08-02T13:12:58 < zyp> that's okay, we can say today is Steffanx day anyway
2017-08-02T13:13:12 < Steffanx> Pants day.. the other days are no pants day?
2017-08-02T13:13:22 < zyp> Steffanx, yes
2017-08-02T13:13:30 < Steffanx> Sexy
2017-08-02T13:14:00 < BrainDamage> not shirt-and-tie-in-40°C-weather-day ?
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2017-08-02T13:15:31 < Fleck> Steffanx: it's your day today :D
2017-08-02T13:15:55 < Fleck> each day - different name
2017-08-02T13:16:08 < Fleck> aug. 02. is Stefan in Latvian calendar
2017-08-02T13:16:10 < BrainDamage> here name day is givenas much relevance as a "happy name day" after which you give a confused look and go ahead on your day
2017-08-02T13:16:39 < dongs> http://youpouch.com/2017/08/02/449824/
2017-08-02T13:17:14 < BrainDamage> moonrunes are hard to read
2017-08-02T13:17:47 < Steffanx> When is yours Fleck?
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2017-08-02T13:21:27 < Fleck> Jan. 08
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2017-08-02T13:46:35 < invzim> aaaight, spi-flash stuff working
2017-08-02T13:46:44 < invzim> sdio+fat up next
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2017-08-02T16:40:20 < Fleck> http://www.vishay.com/docs/88301/15ke.pdf <<< 1.5KE250A is OK for 230VAC mains?
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2017-08-02T17:38:13 < dongs> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/license-plate-government-regulations-removal-last-name-1.4037912
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2017-08-02T17:54:47 < Laurenceb_> wew /pol/ has hacked uk billboards
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2017-08-02T17:55:29 < Laurenceb_> https://cdn.grahamcluley.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/blowup-media-ads.jpeg
2017-08-02T17:56:07 < Laurenceb_> http://i1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article13420358.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Billboard-hacked-on-Queen-Street.jpg
2017-08-02T17:57:39 < Thorn> this is what they were supposed to do, no? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4VB_WIhvHuM/VjTJJdbpmHI/AAAAAAAAESo/0PN5kClOMJ0/s1600/piccadillu.jpg
2017-08-02T17:58:52 < sync> wew indeed
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2017-08-02T18:58:16 < Thorn> http://newatlas.com/desktop-metal-3d-printing/50654/
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2017-08-02T19:28:36 < englishman> aandrew: do you know any domestic PCB services in Ontario (that don't just contract to overseas)
2017-08-02T19:28:49 < englishman>  I need some 2-3day shit done and everyone in Quebec is closed
2017-08-02T19:29:01 < englishman> i emailed one place in Ontario but its been 36h and no quote yet so moving on
2017-08-02T19:29:25 < englishman> !wz quebec canada
2017-08-02T19:29:26 < dieforirc> [Quebec, Canada] Clear. Temp is 32.3°C but feels like 36°C. West wind: 9.3 kph. Humidity: 54%.
2017-08-02T19:29:37 < englishman> maybe il just fuck it and take the day off too
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2017-08-02T19:43:55 < aandrew> englishman: pcb ultimate vision is in my town. they do *simple* (2 layer) boards in Cambridge, ON, but farm out anything else to Germany
2017-08-02T19:44:06 < englishman> hmm, damn, its 4L
2017-08-02T19:44:11 < englishman> i think il just get china + dhl
2017-08-02T19:44:14 < englishman> itl be here monday
2017-08-02T19:44:19 < aandrew> you can ask them if they can do 4L locally but she's always sent it out
2017-08-02T19:44:19 < englishman> when all you english fags are off partying
2017-08-02T19:44:45 < englishman> on Family Day or whatever fake holiday it is
2017-08-02T19:44:49 < aandrew> oh yeah
2017-08-02T19:44:56 < aandrew> we got a civic holiday this month I keep forgetting
2017-08-02T19:45:04 < englishman> "Civic Holiday" how generic lol
2017-08-02T19:45:11 < aandrew> being a contractor means you never know (or care) what day of the week it is or if it's a holiday because you'll be working
2017-08-02T19:45:27 < englishman> heh yeah
2017-08-02T19:45:35 < englishman> oh man
2017-08-02T19:45:38 < englishman> went to ultimagevision pge
2017-08-02T19:45:46 < englishman> To enjoy this site you'll need to update your Flash Player. It's easy, painless and will take just a moment...
2017-08-02T19:45:48 < englishman> :)
2017-08-02T19:45:51 < englishman> i think i'll call
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2017-08-02T19:46:51 < englishman> thank for the hook up
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2017-08-02T19:47:06 < aandrew> yeah
2017-08-02T19:47:14 < aandrew> their website was coded by the owner's nephew I'm sure
2017-08-02T19:47:16 < aandrew> it's terrible
2017-08-02T19:47:24 < aandrew> the company and the boards though are good stuff
2017-08-02T19:47:44 < aandrew> dongs particuarly liked the flash music
2017-08-02T19:47:58 < aandrew> if you don't have sound on it's worth busting out the headphones
2017-08-02T19:49:07 < englishman> i dont think windows even supports flash anymore, id have to use lunix
2017-08-02T19:49:38 < englishman> OH just for you
2017-08-02T19:49:39 < englishman> https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/08/cbc-splits-single-white-mans-salary-two-women-two-minorities/
2017-08-02T19:49:50 < englishman> These new hosts send the right message to women and minorities across Canada: if you study hard and do great work you can one day do a quarter of the job of an uneducated white man.
2017-08-02T19:49:57 < aandrew> oh yeah I heard about the new national
2017-08-02T19:49:59 < aandrew> that's hilarilus
2017-08-02T19:50:01 < aandrew> hilarious
2017-08-02T19:50:16 < aandrew> as soon as they said it's now 4 people i knew it was gonna be split gender and include mixed everything
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2017-08-02T19:50:21 < aandrew> becuase 100% equality yo
2017-08-02T19:50:48 < englishman> notice how white women are OK
2017-08-02T19:51:00 < englishman> but visible race AND a woman is too much
2017-08-02T19:51:05 < aandrew> yep
2017-08-02T19:51:10 < aandrew> whawt a time to be alive
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2017-08-02T20:11:45 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/nbatalha/status/892516568378232832
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2017-08-02T20:18:13 < aandrew> hm
2017-08-02T20:18:21 < aandrew> dongs: what was the USB-C controller you were happy with?
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2017-08-02T20:55:13 < Steffanx> 10 pcbs of 10x10 for 2 dollar.. is that a thing nowadays?
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2017-08-02T20:59:08 < englishman> haha, insane
2017-08-02T21:00:36 < tpw_rules> 10x10 what
2017-08-02T21:00:42 < tpw_rules> that better be inches or you're getting ripped off
2017-08-02T21:00:52 < englishman> cm
2017-08-02T21:01:01 < tpw_rules> what's what
2017-08-02T21:01:05 < tpw_rules> (also from where)
2017-08-02T21:01:07 < englishman> silly u
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2017-08-02T21:04:33 < Steffanx> cm indeed, fuck yankee metrix
2017-08-02T21:04:35 < Steffanx> cs
2017-08-02T21:06:00 < Steffanx> easyeda.com tpw_rules
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2017-08-02T21:42:45 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/MAiIwW8.gifv
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2017-08-02T21:48:14 < Steffanx> how englishman does his pool party. He doesnt want to get wet: http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/_f75b8dfb_YTDL_1.mp4.mp4.mp4
2017-08-02T21:52:38 < englishman> 🚤 🏊 🍷
2017-08-02T21:52:52 < kakimir> are they on drugs?
2017-08-02T21:53:03 < kakimir> how is sauna englishman ?
2017-08-02T21:53:13 < englishman> !wz quebec canada
2017-08-02T21:53:14 < dieforirc> [Quebec, Canada] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 32.1°C but feels like 35°C. WNW wind: 13.0 kph. Humidity: 52%.
2017-08-02T21:53:18 < englishman> no sauna required
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2017-08-02T21:57:30 < kakimir> hell
2017-08-02T21:57:38 < kakimir> !wz EFRA
2017-08-02T21:57:41 < dieforirc> [EFRA, Finland] Rain. Temp is 15.7°C. East wind: 1.0 kph. Humidity: 90%.
2017-08-02T22:26:49 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2017-08-02T22:26:52 < dieforirc> [Groningen, Netherlands] Overcast. Temp is 22.5°C. SE wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 60%.
2017-08-02T22:27:33 < jadew> !wz bucharest
2017-08-02T22:27:34 < dieforirc> [Bucharest, Romania] Clear. Temp is 31.4°C. WSW wind: 1.9 kph.
2017-08-02T22:27:50 < Steffanx> !time bucharest
2017-08-02T22:27:54 < jadew> no humidity
2017-08-02T22:28:10 < jadew> [Bucharest, Romania] 22:27 pm
2017-08-02T22:28:13 < jadew> 28
2017-08-02T22:28:22 < jadew> no pm
2017-08-02T22:28:33 < jadew> it's in 24 hour format :P
2017-08-02T22:33:05 < Steffanx> the only proper format
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2017-08-02T22:35:57 < jadew> I would have been happier with 100 hour days
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2017-08-02T22:36:18 < jadew> and 100 minutes hours
2017-08-02T22:37:09 < jadew> not that 60 is not great, but I think 100 might have been easier
2017-08-02T22:37:32 < jadew> particularly when you're dealing with moreo than one hour, rather than with subunits of an hour
2017-08-02T22:38:32 < jadew> 60 has more divisors than 100
2017-08-02T22:38:59 < jadew> but an hour and a half as 150 minutes makes more sense than 90 minutes
2017-08-02T22:40:22 < jadew> I guess a better idea would have been for the whole world to use base 6
2017-08-02T22:40:29 < jadew> then an hour would have been 100 minutes
2017-08-02T22:41:11 < jadew> and a day would have had 40 hours
2017-08-02T22:42:17 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
2017-08-02T22:44:15 < jadew> would probably be easier to switch the world to base 6 numbers than to swatch beats
2017-08-02T22:49:51 < Steffanx> btw, those 2$ pcbs are legit, i have them on my desk. but i was wondering how common $2 is.
2017-08-02T22:51:22 < englishman> first ive seen $2, $5 has been the new super cheap option for a few months
2017-08-02T22:53:48 < zyp> $2 plus $30 shipping?
2017-08-02T22:55:14 < Steffanx>  no, like 5
2017-08-02T22:55:16 < Steffanx> or 8
2017-08-02T22:55:18 < Steffanx> or whatever
2017-08-02T22:55:26 < Steffanx> 20 with dhl -> 3 days
2017-08-02T22:55:40 < Steffanx> was still cheaper than oshpark so i did that :P
2017-08-02T22:56:19 < Steffanx> PCBs from order to in house was 7 days, not too bad imho.
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2017-08-02T23:12:27 < jadew> Steffanx, nice
2017-08-02T23:12:36 < jadew> I ordered some boards from elecrow last week
2017-08-02T23:12:45 < jadew> $10 delivered
2017-08-02T23:12:59 < jadew> I didn't get them yet tho
2017-08-02T23:13:10 < jadew> 100x45 mm
2017-08-02T23:13:28 < jadew> 10 pcs
2017-08-02T23:13:40 < jadew> and yeah, via DHL, it would be something like 20 total
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2017-08-03T01:22:28 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/dEZRMyB
2017-08-03T01:22:39 < Laurenceb_> looks like how I imagine the culprits
2017-08-03T01:23:17 < tpw_rules> "This is the official online presence of the Sovereign Order of Kekistan "
2017-08-03T01:23:48 < tpw_rules> >html lang="en-GB"
2017-08-03T01:24:43 < tpw_rules> lol it's just wordpress. i should try and hack it
2017-08-03T01:29:34 < Laurenceb_> >This is just a bunch of guys that have totally given up on getting pussy.
2017-08-03T01:31:44 < tpw_rules> oh no cloudflare is doing its job
2017-08-03T01:34:53 < tpw_rules> fuck i might have to actually look into wordpress
2017-08-03T01:36:35 < tpw_rules> i guess if you're not getting pussy you have time to update wordpress >:(
2017-08-03T02:15:35 < Laurenceb_> >I took class after class about comparative genocide, Holocaust literature and representation, and modern Europe, and throughout it all, I relied heavily on the lessons of Harry, Hermione, and Ron to grapple with the confusion, the horror, and the trauma that came with my studies.
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2017-08-03T04:50:49 < branjb> why is printing with altium so complicated?
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2017-08-03T05:15:38 < englishman> hi branjb
2017-08-03T05:15:45 < englishman> what are you trying to print
2017-08-03T05:25:05 < branjb> a layout in color
2017-08-03T05:25:18 < branjb> i can't figure out how to switch to grayscale
2017-08-03T05:25:24 < branjb> err
2017-08-03T05:25:26 < branjb> from grayscale
2017-08-03T05:28:58 < englishman> export to PDF and disable the layers you don't want
2017-08-03T05:29:42 < branjb> oh interesting
2017-08-03T05:30:03 < branjb> if you do an output job file and try to print from there, no color option
2017-08-03T05:30:25 < branjb> that smartPDF thing has a color option though
2017-08-03T05:38:14 < englishman> hey bb
2017-08-03T05:38:33 < englishman> I'm going to close the chicken coop
2017-08-03T05:38:47 < englishman> How do I live stream this
2017-08-03T05:39:25 < branjb> pornhub lets you live stream
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2017-08-03T05:50:04 < englishman> https://www.pscp.tv/chipburn/
2017-08-03T05:50:30 < branjb> > No Broadcasts
2017-08-03T05:57:19 < branjb> that's a lot of chickens
2017-08-03T06:03:08 < englishman> ya
2017-08-03T06:03:16 < englishman> killing 50 next thurs
2017-08-03T06:03:36 < branjb> do they know that?
2017-08-03T06:06:25 < emeb_mac> 50? getting *really* hungry?
2017-08-03T06:12:20 < englishman> periscope shows up in fucking french and theres no way to change t
2017-08-03T06:12:23 < englishman> deleting immediately
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2017-08-03T06:45:26 < ds2> hmmm
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2017-08-03T07:42:00 < ohsix> uhhh ebay Good News! For being a regular buyer on eBay and a valued customer, we've issued a $7.63 refund to your PayPal account, and you get to keep the item too.
2017-08-03T07:42:27 < ohsix> so, that hal chamberlin book got damaged in shipping, pretty horribly too; but ended up getting it for free cuz ebay wants me to spend more money there
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2017-08-03T07:43:44 < ohsix> http://imgur.com/a/UPirG
2017-08-03T07:43:55 < ohsix> emeb_mac: ^ :p
2017-08-03T07:44:33 < ohsix> (hope i didn't misremember the person that mentioned their friend was selling a huge stash ...)
2017-08-03T07:45:01 < emeb_mac> ohsix: did you order it from brightboy?
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2017-08-03T08:13:36 < dongs> < englishman> periscope shows up in fucking french and theres no way to change t
2017-08-03T08:13:43 < dongs> englishman: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=periscope definition #2
2017-08-03T08:14:12 < dongs> which i cant directrly link to for some fucked up reason, waht a dumb fucking website
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2017-08-03T08:16:18 < dongs> emeb_mac: couldn't have, how would he afford ot
2017-08-03T08:16:20 < dongs> it
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2017-08-03T08:24:20 < ohsix> emeb_mac: nah i had an ebay watch on it, first that has actually worked and it was going for a year ;D
2017-08-03T08:24:33 < emeb_mac> aha
2017-08-03T08:24:45 < emeb_mac> well, that's not *badly* damaged.
2017-08-03T08:24:50 < emeb_mac> you can still read it.
2017-08-03T08:24:54 < ohsix> yup
2017-08-03T08:25:07 < ohsix> as spine damage goes it's p. bad but it'll hold up for years yet
2017-08-03T08:25:24 < ohsix> it looked like it was in better than indicated shape before the post office got it :p
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2017-08-03T08:35:40 < ohsix> started a lending library a few months ago
2017-08-03T08:35:51 < ohsix> had a book problem then, it's really bad now; need an extra room
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2017-08-03T08:42:59 < dongs> gr8. 1703 update fucked vmware VMNet* bridges.
2017-08-03T08:43:08 < dongs> all VMs silently lost net connection, without any errors, too
2017-08-03T08:43:13 < ohsix> doggo loves AC
2017-08-03T08:43:20 < dongs> had to power everything down and reset vmnet stuff to defaults
2017-08-03T08:43:42 < dongs> all this while i was trying to figure out why the fuck one of VMs couldnt print to my lan printer
2017-08-03T08:45:05 < ohsix> she actually looked really frustrated this afternoon, i thought she had to use the bathroom or wanted water or anything. hadn't thought it was the AC
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2017-08-03T08:50:40 < ohsix> also i ended up with a calculator collection :o need to get an hp 48g+
2017-08-03T08:50:48 < ohsix> they're $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2017-08-03T08:51:37 < ohsix> i got my ti89 titanium for 3$ :D
2017-08-03T08:55:19 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scientific-Calculator-Graphing-Hp-50G-Best-Digital-w-New-Powerful-Sd-Card-Slot-/322576922960?epid=55404089&hash=item4b1b153950:g:86kAAOSw32lYuLzv lolwtf
2017-08-03T08:55:23 < ohsix> that's gotta be a scam
2017-08-03T08:55:31 < ohsix> new in box ones being flogged off are 160
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2017-08-03T09:05:22 < emeb_mac> old HPs are nuts
2017-08-03T09:05:49 < emeb_mac> I got a 48 at a used store about 15yrs ago for a good price still have it
2017-08-03T09:05:53 < emeb_mac> never use it tho
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2017-08-03T09:06:30 < emeb_mac> favorite HP calc was a 32 - was very sad when I cracked the LCD.
2017-08-03T09:07:43 < emeb_mac> I think I paid < $50 for it new but used on ebay they were like $300
2017-08-03T09:07:59 < ohsix> all the CAS systems are different enough that buying them when they're not terribly expensive just for the novelty is interesting
2017-08-03T09:08:03 < ohsix> yea
2017-08-03T09:08:21 < ohsix> i've seen very few hp calculators where i've found all of the others
2017-08-03T09:08:43 < ohsix> one or two from the dark ages when they were heat staking them together
2017-08-03T09:08:48 < emeb_mac> I used a 33 for a while. It's OK but those chevron keys are a PITA
2017-08-03T09:09:05 < ohsix> their website was actually broken last time i was looking for info
2017-08-03T09:09:17 < emeb_mac> Got a new 35 - also fine but the base conversions are fucked up
2017-08-03T09:10:07 < ohsix> nice, it sort of works now http://store.hp.com/us/en/cv/accessories-filters?cat=Hfz5e
2017-08-03T09:10:09 < emeb_mac> entering hex on the keypad is an experience in pain
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2017-08-03T09:10:52 < ohsix> if i don't find anything in the next year or something i'll probably get the 300s retail ;]
2017-08-03T09:11:02 < ohsix> just wanna see how they're weird in their own way
2017-08-03T09:11:37 < ohsix> the casio fx115es is the one i use and like the most
2017-08-03T09:12:47 < emeb_mac> hard to tell - does the 300s or 10s do RPN?
2017-08-03T09:13:19 < ohsix> not sure, probably not
2017-08-03T09:13:32 < ohsix> people wanting an rpn version is why the 32 is like 300$
2017-08-03T09:13:35 < emeb_mac> yeah - don't see obvious enter key
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2017-08-03T09:13:46 < emeb_mac> 35s does it
2017-08-03T09:14:26 < ohsix> calculators are really weird; for school they need to be shit by design, and not do some things to conform to standard testing and shit. and the other ones that were for engineers, people don't really use them anymore (????)
2017-08-03T09:14:54 < ohsix> mech eng pal had the titanium on his desk, that's why i wanted one; but he said he hasn't really used it since college
2017-08-03T09:16:02 < ohsix> unrelated, there's a huge amount of chinese calculators in this town, i'm not sure what from; but they're a clone of one of the casios, and it's really weird
2017-08-03T09:16:23 < emeb_mac> I still keep one at the desk. easier to reach for that than to fiddle with the stupid calc on the PC
2017-08-03T09:17:15 < ohsix> yup
2017-08-03T09:17:37 < ohsix> hrm i forgot one of the casios i've had was the first graphic calculator ever
2017-08-03T09:17:55 < ohsix> i think i still have it, but i havent' seen it in a long time and it didn't turn up the last few times i looked for it
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2017-08-03T09:18:25 < dongs> autismmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2017-08-03T09:18:50 < emeb_mac> yeah, pretty much
2017-08-03T09:19:03 < dongs> i donno i dont have any problems wiht calc.exe
2017-08-03T09:19:10 < dongs> win-r,calc,enter
2017-08-03T09:19:13 < dongs> works4me
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2017-08-03T09:19:53 < emeb_mac> If I've got Matlab open I'll often just use that instead of a calc
2017-08-03T09:20:03 < emeb_mac> but it takes like a minute to start up
2017-08-03T09:20:11 < ohsix> i use a loonix so a terminal & cas/calculator of some variety is instantly available but i still do it less
2017-08-03T09:20:12 < emeb_mac> so then I reach for a calc
2017-08-03T09:21:08 < ohsix> uh? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-Piece-New-Original-Graphics-Calculator-for-HP-39gs-Graphics-Calculator-teach-SAT-AP-test-for/32608193270.html
2017-08-03T09:21:34 < emeb_mac> and away from the office I just use an RPN app on my andorrhoid
2017-08-03T09:21:50 < dongs> > rpn
2017-08-03T09:21:59 < dongs> how do you even cacc
2017-08-03T09:21:59 < ohsix> hp's prime android thing is free now
2017-08-03T09:22:00 < dongs> calc
2017-08-03T09:22:01 < emeb_mac> yes - that's for old people.
2017-08-03T09:22:21 < dongs> thats the shit weher you do
2017-08-03T09:22:24 < dongs> 123
2017-08-03T09:22:26 < dongs> 234
2017-08-03T09:22:26 < dongs> +
2017-08-03T09:22:28 < dongs> right?
2017-08-03T09:22:36 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-08-03T09:22:44 < ohsix> huhuhu the thing that started this all is me looking for a keyboard to use for musical shenanigans
2017-08-03T09:22:50 < emeb_mac> 123 enter 345 +
2017-08-03T09:22:53 < dongs> right
2017-08-03T09:22:53 < ohsix> cuz i saw a calculator that was like a piano
2017-08-03T09:23:20 < emeb_mac> it's said that RPN needs fewer keystrokes
2017-08-03T09:23:26 < emeb_mac> not sure I buy that
2017-08-03T09:23:32 < emeb_mac> it's just what I'm used to
2017-08-03T09:23:47 < dongs> uhh i dont think its gonna be any fewer
2017-08-03T09:23:56 < dongs> not for eaxmple above anyway
2017-08-03T09:23:58 < dongs> it is literally same
2017-08-03T09:24:02 < emeb_mac> right
2017-08-03T09:24:10 < emeb_mac> but for chained calcs maybe
2017-08-03T09:24:19 < emeb_mac> still, not enough of a deal to make a diff
2017-08-03T09:24:52 < zyp> isn't the main advantage with RPN that it's easier to parse because it doesn't have to care about operator precedence?
2017-08-03T09:25:26 < zyp> just put shit on a stack and operate on the top elements -> simpler firmware
2017-08-03T09:25:49 < emeb_mac> sounds right
2017-08-03T09:26:34 < emeb_mac> but you kinda have to pre-parse operators / operands to make it fit
2017-08-03T09:26:52 < zyp> yes, I mean from a firmware perspective
2017-08-03T09:26:54 < emeb_mac> but that's generally not hard to do real-time in your head
2017-08-03T09:27:03 < zyp> it takes the complexity out of the firmware and have you do it manually
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2017-08-03T09:27:11 < emeb_mac> yup
2017-08-03T09:28:28 < zyp> I'm guessing it was popular because that was all the calculators could do at some point in time, and then it stuck by because of legacy reasons
2017-08-03T09:29:19 < emeb_mac> huh
2017-08-03T09:29:42 < emeb_mac> first calc I remember using was a 4-banger with algebraic entry
2017-08-03T09:29:46 < ohsix> zyp: not exactly harder, but it's not ambiguous & you don't need ()
2017-08-03T09:30:27 < zyp> now I'm thinking about calcs that can do whole expressions
2017-08-03T09:30:36 < ohsix> you can almost always rework some sort of entry to not need that, but that's work
2017-08-03T09:30:48 < zyp> also, I'm just guessing, I didn't live at the time :)
2017-08-03T09:30:49 < ohsix> yea most of the calculators i have do that
2017-08-03T09:31:14 < emeb_mac> kids. meh.
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2017-08-03T09:34:10 < ohsix> nice, one of the chinese casio clones has sanrio junk on it https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hello-Kitty-Doraemon-Function-Calculator-Uniwise-10-2-Digital-Display-2-Line-LCD-Scientific-Calculator-Shipping/32681242262.html
2017-08-03T09:34:51 < ohsix> not sure how close the cloning is, but the moulds are probably similar enough that you could put the guts from a real one in there
2017-08-03T09:35:28 < emeb_mac> unlicensed Hello Kitty
2017-08-03T09:35:51  * emeb_mac calls IP attorney
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2017-08-03T11:55:00 < ohsix> the hp-01, the watch; it was the first that had algebraic input, in 1977
2017-08-03T11:55:03 < ohsix> the beginning of the end
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2017-08-03T13:20:06 < invzim> what's the 'normal' spi mode to use, as in, the one you would pick unless your device is odd?
2017-08-03T13:21:02 < invzim> clock 0 on idle and rising edge on data?
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2017-08-03T13:31:34 < zyp> I don't think there's a consensus on which CPOL/CPHA settings that are more normal than the others
2017-08-03T13:32:27 < zyp> IMO normal SPI devices stick to one of those, and then there's a few odd ones that requires different settings for reading and writing
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2017-08-03T13:54:24 < upgrdman> anyone ever heard of these pcb guys?  http://www.sz-jlc.com/home/index.html
2017-08-03T13:58:23 < dongs> does it matter
2017-08-03T13:58:25 < dongs> they make pcbs
2017-08-03T13:58:35 < dongs> probably for cheap
2017-08-03T13:58:37 < dongs> are they on allpcb?
2017-08-03T13:59:25 < upgrdman> dongs, they want to sponsor some yt videos
2017-08-03T13:59:31 < dongs> sounds good
2017-08-03T13:59:44 < upgrdman> theyre offering free pcb and some unknown amount of money
2017-08-03T13:59:52 < dongs> jump on it
2017-08-03T13:59:54 < upgrdman> prolly like 1usd, but whatever
2017-08-03T14:00:02 < dongs> free is free
2017-08-03T14:00:07 < upgrdman> true
2017-08-03T14:00:13 < dongs> and you get tarduweeb views
2017-08-03T14:00:20 < dongs> everyone benefits
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2017-08-03T14:00:41 < upgrdman> i should design some 1 suare meter 8L pcb and see if theyll do it
2017-08-03T14:00:53 < zyp> haha
2017-08-03T14:01:44 < dongs> zyp, were you looking at the $500 one just because 25 channels?
2017-08-03T14:02:09 < zyp> ya, I saw later that it was just adding RS485
2017-08-03T14:02:09 < dongs> (TBA)
2017-08-03T14:02:14 < dongs> right
2017-08-03T14:02:24 < dongs> has those useless CAN/485 shits on there that i dont really need
2017-08-03T14:02:39 < zyp> was hoping it could to 16bit data plus more sideband shit
2017-08-03T14:02:45 < dongs> well, it can?
2017-08-03T14:02:55 < dongs> their software always had the bus merge thing
2017-08-03T14:02:57 < zyp> 16 + single clk is not a lot
2017-08-03T14:03:04 < dongs> oh you mean the non-25ch one?
2017-08-03T14:03:05 < zyp> of inputs, I mean
2017-08-03T14:03:18 < zyp> they are all 16 + clk + other shit
2017-08-03T14:03:22 < dongs> no?
2017-08-03T14:03:25 < zyp> no?
2017-08-03T14:03:26 < dongs> is it
2017-08-03T14:03:29 < dongs> lemme ook.
2017-08-03T14:03:34 < dongs> i thought the 25ch one was acutalyl 25 digital channels
2017-08-03T14:06:14 < zyp> no, it's 16 + 1 clk + 2 i2c + 2 can + 4 rs485
2017-08-03T14:06:25 < zyp> the two cheaper models are the same except without can and rs485
2017-08-03T14:06:34 < zyp> ref. http://www.acute.com.tw/Upload/product/TB1016_en_1705.pdf
2017-08-03T14:06:48 < dongs> oh
2017-08-03T14:06:58 < dongs> hmmm
2017-08-03T14:07:30 < dongs> well, not an issue for me then, cuz i have yet to use even half of 32 channels of my current shit
2017-08-03T14:08:01 < dongs> and those ports on the side look ugly af
2017-08-03T14:08:33 < zyp> main reason I wanted one of those like ages ago was because I wanted to look at PATA for that ATAPI shit
2017-08-03T14:08:42 < dongs> right
2017-08-03T14:08:44 < dongs> well, that shit is expensive
2017-08-03T14:08:57 < dongs> TL3017E             $660
2017-08-03T14:08:57 < dongs> TL3134E             $1,320
2017-08-03T14:08:57 < dongs> TL3134B             $2,100
2017-08-03T14:08:58 < dongs> TL3234B+          $3,200
2017-08-03T14:08:59 < zyp> and that's 16 data plus a bunch of shit to signal reads or writes or whatever
2017-08-03T14:09:02 < dongs> cheapest TL3 is 660
2017-08-03T14:09:11 < zyp> yeah
2017-08-03T14:09:45 < zyp> the TB1016F seems neat enough for a 16 ch thing
2017-08-03T14:10:05 < dongs> yes. and for proper USB3 and proper non-limited capture and decent software
2017-08-03T14:10:16 < dongs> surely beats shit like SALEOESOELOL
2017-08-03T14:10:23 < zyp> shame the F doesn't do stacking like the B
2017-08-03T14:10:36 < zyp> stacking two cheap ones to get 32ch would be awesome
2017-08-03T14:10:49 < dongs> hehe, i'm sure it "does" they just don't want it to happen
2017-08-03T14:11:07 < zyp> says it doesn't have the port to sync them
2017-08-03T14:14:01 < dongs> ah kay. oh well
2017-08-03T14:14:18 < dongs> i donno if their stcaking worsk to increase channels anyway
2017-08-03T14:14:34 < dongs> i think its for sync with thier mso shit to get scope-like data into your software
2017-08-03T14:16:18 < dongs> I would like a refund, the ios portion of this product is clearly not mirroring the actual os but an app made to look like the os. False advertising and not what we were lead to believe when backing.
2017-08-03T14:16:22 < dongs> Please contact me regarding a refund.
2017-08-03T14:16:25 < dongs> haha
2017-08-03T14:16:25 < dongs> supertrolledscreen
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2017-08-03T15:15:41 < marble_visions> waddup
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2017-08-03T15:53:05 < englishman> im periscoping all day long basically
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2017-08-03T15:56:57 < Steffanx> Wut where why mr englishman
2017-08-03T15:57:09 < englishman> dick is too long
2017-08-03T15:58:17 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for englishwife
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2017-08-03T16:08:38 < upgrdman> is there a decent cheap china pcb fab house thatll also so assembly?
2017-08-03T16:09:04 < upgrdman> kinda feel like being lazy, but too cheap to pay white people prices
2017-08-03T16:09:15 < upgrdman> and only want like 3 ass'd pcbs
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2017-08-03T16:13:49 < Steffanx> You can also try your sweet innocent kitten eyes and ask englishman. :p
2017-08-03T16:14:05 < Steffanx> And get ##stm32 discount
2017-08-03T16:14:48 < Steffanx> A nice holiday to canada, upgrdman
2017-08-03T16:15:42 < upgrdman> ya but will he work for china sweatshop prices?
2017-08-03T16:15:57 < upgrdman> i sure as fuck wouldnt
2017-08-03T16:17:46 < Steffanx> Seeed does assembly stuff, but i can imagine they have some nice startup costs
2017-08-03T16:17:46 < englishman> no, but the difference is your shit wont be assembled with china sweatshop results
2017-08-03T16:17:52 < Steffanx> Haha.
2017-08-03T16:17:58 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-08-03T16:21:51 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman has finished in "Great" Shitstain ?
2017-08-03T16:22:47 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-03T16:23:12 < upgrdman> lairenceb, did you know heathrow sells vibrators in their mens restrooms?
2017-08-03T16:23:24 < upgrdman> no joke
2017-08-03T16:24:07 < Laurenceb_> O_o
2017-08-03T16:24:29 < Laurenceb_> how I imagine upgrdmans visit to london
2017-08-03T16:24:30 < Laurenceb_> https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/three-london-bridge-terrorists-shot-dead-by-police-june-3-2017.jpg
2017-08-03T16:28:24 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/heathrow_restroom.jpg
2017-08-03T16:28:42 < upgrdman> laurenceb ^
2017-08-03T16:29:39 < englishman> cock rings and tic tacs, all a guy could ever need
2017-08-03T16:29:46 < upgrdman> yes
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2017-08-03T16:31:29 < Steffanx> "Shake it up" lol
2017-08-03T16:31:35 < Steffanx> I this context
2017-08-03T16:31:43 < Steffanx> In*
2017-08-03T16:31:55 < Laurenceb_> local assistance O_o
2017-08-03T16:32:08 < Laurenceb_> looks liek code for hookers
2017-08-03T16:32:32 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: did you meed a scary Scottish dude in a darkened room at Heathrow?
2017-08-03T16:32:34 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-08-03T16:32:43 < upgrdman> i didnt
2017-08-03T16:32:56 < Laurenceb_> last time I went through I ended up in room with scary dude
2017-08-03T16:33:09 < upgrdman> enhanced interrogation techniques?
2017-08-03T16:33:09 < Laurenceb_> who asked my random questions like what day of the week it was
2017-08-03T16:33:15 < Laurenceb_> something like that
2017-08-03T16:33:31 < Laurenceb_> after I answered about 4 random questions he let me go
2017-08-03T16:33:34 < Laurenceb_> very random
2017-08-03T16:33:34 < upgrdman> tsa gave me an Enhanced pat down down i flew out of LAX a couple weeks ago
2017-08-03T16:33:52 < upgrdman> pro tips: dont wear baggy shprts at a usa airport
2017-08-03T16:34:02 < upgrdman> shorts
2017-08-03T16:34:49 < upgrdman> china dgaf, they didnt even want me to remove my belt before walking thrpugh metal detector.
2017-08-03T16:35:26 < upgrdman> but tsa, uk and dubai are all 100% by the books
2017-08-03T16:41:37 < zyp> last time I flew, the girl at the metal detector suggested I take off my watch before walking through
2017-08-03T16:41:42 < zyp> "nah, it's usually fine"
2017-08-03T16:41:52 < zyp> this time, it of course weren't
2017-08-03T16:42:34 < upgrdman> im tempted to but a plastic belt for airport days
2017-08-03T16:42:37 < zyp> despite the fact that I've walked through metal detectors with it probably a couple of dozen times before
2017-08-03T16:42:52 < zyp> hmm, that might be exaggregating
2017-08-03T16:44:20 < Laurenceb_> tsa were really pleasant with me tbh
2017-08-03T16:44:22 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-08-03T16:44:32 < Laurenceb_> way less aggressive than uk
2017-08-03T16:45:44 < englishman> the queues at TSA checkpoints are the longest ive ever seen
2017-08-03T16:45:56 < englishman> the queueing area is always 10x larger than the actual screening area
2017-08-03T16:45:58 < zyp> hmm, maybe not exaggregating at all
2017-08-03T16:45:59 < englishman> like so many cattle
2017-08-03T16:46:42 < zyp> I bought the watch in 2014, I've been on 53 flights since then (of which probably most have been two legs without a security check in between)
2017-08-03T16:46:59 < englishman> queuing silently and in single file for the abattoir
2017-08-03T16:47:38 < englishman> thats a lot of flying, is that mostly for work
2017-08-03T16:47:58 < zyp> no
2017-08-03T16:48:25 < zyp> by flights, I count each leg
2017-08-03T16:48:57 < zyp> and usually when I go anywhere, it's more than one leg
2017-08-03T16:49:45 < zyp> when I went to .be, round-trip route was KRS -> OSL -> BRU -> CPH -> KRS
2017-08-03T16:50:02 < zyp> so that's four flights for one trip
2017-08-03T16:50:22 < englishman> haha wow
2017-08-03T16:50:56 < zyp> I mean, there's no KRS -> BRU
2017-08-03T16:53:20 < zyp> anyway, since 2014 I've been three times to .jp (four if you count the 2014 trip), once in the US, a work trip to .dk, the recent .be-trip and some domestic flights just going between north and south of norway
2017-08-03T17:00:10 < zyp> https://my.flightmemory.com/zyp
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2017-08-03T17:30:38 < upgrdman> are there any non-nda arm mpus with internal gpus that can do 4k60. i dont expect much at 4k60, but basic 2d desktop usage.
2017-08-03T17:31:12 < upgrdman> even the am5728 is just 1080p60
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2017-08-03T18:07:00 < englishman> wow ubiquiti is a billion dollar company now
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2017-08-03T18:50:09 < abiogenesis> can somebody tell me what the aquivalence of the "RCC_APB2PeriphClockCmd()" is in HAL?
2017-08-03T18:50:32 < abiogenesis> just watching a video about newbies, but he is using the old Libs..
2017-08-03T18:53:21 < Thorn> __HAL_RCC_GPIOA_CLK_ENABLE() etc.
2017-08-03T18:55:32 < abiogenesis> thx!
2017-08-03T18:55:50 < englishman> protip, download cube and your chip package, go to C:\Users\<user>\STM32Cube\Repository\STM32Cube_FW_F0_V1.8.0\Drivers\STM32F0xx_HAL_Driver
2017-08-03T18:55:53 < englishman> or wahtever chip
2017-08-03T18:55:58 < englishman> and open the .chm
2017-08-03T18:56:20 < englishman> under Modules you have all the macros, data structures, functions for LL and HAL
2017-08-03T18:58:16 < abiogenesis> okay thx! ive installed the OpenSTM32 workbench, and downloaded already the firmware/cube.. i will findt it
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2017-08-03T19:15:20 < abiogenesis> i search the aquivalence of "GPIO_PIN_SET" but cant find it in the .chm
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2017-08-03T19:31:24 < englishman> which chip?
2017-08-03T19:33:03 < englishman> Modules->Hal->GPIO->GPIO Exported Functions->IO Operation Functions->Functions->HAL_GPIO_WritePin
2017-08-03T19:33:37 < englishman> if you just want a macro, you can use what's supplied in cmsis headers, outside of HAL or LL
2017-08-03T19:35:21 < abiogenesis> ah ok i got it
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2017-08-03T19:37:02 < Steffanx> .chm lol. Who uses that?
2017-08-03T19:40:14 < abiogenesis> ok nothing happens.. https://pastebin.com/sG1Uy43X .. i got everything correct located on the breadboard and connected from D4 to the breadboard to trigger the LED.. what did i wrong
2017-08-03T19:41:49 < englishman> HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOF,GPIO_PIN_14,GPIO_PIN_RESET);
2017-08-03T19:41:52 < englishman> shouldnt it be like that
2017-08-03T19:42:43 < englishman> you're passing type GPIO_InitTypeDef it needs GPIO_TypeDef
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2017-08-03T19:45:17 < abiogenesis> ok if i define the GPIO_Struct as TypeDef.. it can't resolve GPIO_Struct.Pin
2017-08-03T19:45:54 < englishman> no
2017-08-03T19:45:59 < englishman>  <englishman> HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOF,GPIO_PIN_14,GPIO_PIN_RESET);
2017-08-03T19:46:39 < abiogenesis> yes i tried this, "GPIOF" in case of "GPIO_Struct".. but nothing happens
2017-08-03T19:46:39 < englishman> there are also samples including GPIO use of HAL in \STM32Cube_FW_F0_V1.8.0\Projects directory
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2017-08-03T19:47:59 < englishman> also this does not look like cube-generated code
2017-08-03T19:48:03 < englishman> where is HAL_Init() etc
2017-08-03T19:48:29 < abiogenesis> no, i created a blank project for this
2017-08-03T19:49:13 < englishman> ok, time to check out the example projects then
2017-08-03T19:49:18 < abiogenesis> i searched in the user manual for the Pin selection.. D4 is an I/O and directed to PF14
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2017-08-03T21:59:25 < abiogenesis> Ive got a problem getting my code done.. connected from D7 ( I/O) onto an BreadBoard, through an resistor, to an LED and then to GND.. https://pastebin.com/UdFicumA this is my code
2017-08-03T22:00:30 < abiogenesis> I'm new into programming with uC.. i worked with an Youtube Tutorial from an Guy who got an STM32 to, not an F7 but it should be "identically" except the ports.. but i looked into the reference manual
2017-08-03T22:01:04 < abiogenesis> it would be nice if someone can help me getting my first program done
2017-08-03T22:12:30 < invzim> abiogenesis: https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32
2017-08-03T22:12:31 < englishman> swift replied
2017-08-03T22:12:31 < englishman> Use of a scope probe or other measurement device adds additional capacitance to an already low-capacitance line, causing a momentary drop in the line voltage. The reset buffer is triggered by this momentary glitch, causing a reset to be asserted on the CPU.
2017-08-03T22:12:34 < invzim> well worth the bucks
2017-08-03T22:12:43 < englishman> pro hardware
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2017-08-03T22:14:41 < abiogenesis> invzim: yes i will buy this one! thank you
2017-08-03T22:14:57 < abiogenesis> but is the code totally wrong ?
2017-08-03T22:16:19 < invzim> who knows, there is a lot of initialization of clocks etc that needs to take place
2017-08-03T22:16:49 < invzim> I found the enum/struct thingie for pin state to be a PITA so I just use 0 and 1
2017-08-03T22:17:14 < englishman> did you look at the ST-provided example files yet that have additional init functions that you do not have
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2017-08-03T22:43:50 < zyp> englishman, swift what?
2017-08-03T22:45:29 < Steffanx> swift gps thingy
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2017-08-03T22:45:42 < Steffanx> piksi
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2017-08-03T22:46:54 < zyp> https://www.swiftnav.com/piksi-multi <- this shit?
2017-08-03T22:47:00 < Steffanx> Ya
2017-08-03T22:48:58 < zyp> so englishman bought a $600 gps module that doesn't work properly?
2017-08-03T22:55:18 < Steffanx> Afaik it does, until you start poking the reset line with a probe or something
2017-08-03T22:55:42 < zyp> well, I don't assume englishman did that without a reason to do so
2017-08-03T23:03:12 < englishman> zyp: actually, bought about 100 of them
2017-08-03T23:03:39 < englishman> iirc it was a kickstarter project originally
2017-08-03T23:03:55 < zyp> cool
2017-08-03T23:04:26 < englishman> ah yes https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver
2017-08-03T23:06:56 < gxti> if your reset line is tripped by touching a probe to it then it means leaving out the pullup resistor was a mistake
2017-08-03T23:07:55 < englishman> actually it has 10k pullup on board
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2017-08-03T23:08:31 < englishman> no idea if it goes to the FPGA or what, tho
2017-08-03T23:08:53 < englishman> even at 2V its still in reset, so unsure
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2017-08-03T23:19:31 < gxti> so other than being a sensitive reset snowflake how is it?
2017-08-03T23:20:03 < englishman> no idea, never even laid hands on one
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2017-08-03T23:20:21 < englishman> guess it works ok since they bought 100 tho
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2017-08-03T23:20:50 < englishman> completely abandoned neo-m8t for it
2017-08-03T23:22:33 < gxti> wonder how good the timing outputs are. specification for the multi says 60ns but that's pretty mediocre
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2017-08-03T23:25:03 < englishman> really? what would that be used for?
2017-08-03T23:25:12 < englishman> these guys just need 1ms so its fine for them
2017-08-03T23:25:46 < gxti> frequency standards mainly. although the big limit with cheap receivers isn't how accurate it is at any given moment but how well it can compensate for changes over days
2017-08-03T23:26:49 < englishman> dono, 60ns precision sounds pretty good, from GPS alone
2017-08-03T23:27:33 < gxti> it's comparable to what you get with a cheap neo module. but it may just be not quoting the useful figures.  60ns second-to-second isn't bad if you have longer term stability because you average out individual pulses anyway
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2017-08-03T23:30:32 < englishman> oh right, laureline is you
2017-08-03T23:32:36 < gxti> just curious really. personally if i bought one i'd be using it the way it's intended, not for timing.
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2017-08-03T23:34:24 < englishman> they are also using RTK positioning, but they required timing as well
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2017-08-03T23:47:15 < gxti> basically the instaneous accuracy of pps will always be <100ns for any receiver that's designed worth a damn (some old ones might have 1ms jumps or more) and that's as good as you can expect. the more interesting question is whether long-term stability is improved due to all the ionospheric corrections, multiple bands, etc
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2017-08-04T01:30:39 < kakimir> when is the next financial crisis?
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2017-08-04T01:34:36 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/de_function/status/892990454593196032
2017-08-04T01:35:05 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/kRA6xH3
2017-08-04T01:39:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9XlFmn7.png attn Laurenceb_
2017-08-04T01:39:36 < englishman> dongs i flew a dji product for the first time today
2017-08-04T01:39:39 < englishman> amazingly stable
2017-08-04T01:39:57 < dongs> until it flew back to china, right
2017-08-04T01:40:34 < englishman> havent yet reached that stage of flight, good thing its not mine for when the inevitable happens
2017-08-04T01:40:41 < dongs> haha
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2017-08-04T01:52:49 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/xQFkAmT
2017-08-04T02:02:57 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot0Fuy34xN0
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2017-08-04T02:22:27 < Thorn> what is the function of the stripper plate https://youtu.be/pSjd3gtVq1U?t=10m30s
2017-08-04T02:23:27 < Thorn> V2 had the same thing on its umbilical connector
2017-08-04T02:25:43 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-08-04T02:25:47 < dongs> fractional math in inches
2017-08-04T02:35:49 < Thorn> isn't it the standard american way
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2017-08-04T04:24:11 < upgrdman> in altidongs, can i disable a rule for a certain component, or do it have to be an exception added to each pcb DRC?
2017-08-04T04:24:36 < upgrdman> like i have a component for a pcb mounting hole, and i dont want clearance constraint violations if it touches GKO
2017-08-04T04:25:06 < upgrdman> i know how to added a custom rule, but this get annoying have to do this for each pcb i use the component in
2017-08-04T04:26:52 < dongs> you have to do it for each pcb.
2017-08-04T04:26:56 < dongs> better make a component so it doesnt vilate rules
2017-08-04T04:26:59 < dongs> what rule is it failing?
2017-08-04T04:27:01 < dongs> keepout?
2017-08-04T04:27:13 < dongs> add a 3d model on top of it to match the hole size, then the pad won't violate stuff
2017-08-04T04:27:32 < dongs> default no-model components violate exactly on the pads boundary
2017-08-04T04:27:46 < upgrdman> yes it is a component
2017-08-04T04:27:58 < upgrdman> violation is clearance constain 0mil < 8mil
2017-08-04T04:28:24 < upgrdman> was kinda hoping i could set a component to not care about a certain rule, but i guess not
2017-08-04T04:28:38 < dongs> yeah clearance to waht tho
2017-08-04T04:28:39 < dongs> pic
2017-08-04T04:28:46 < upgrdman> board outline
2017-08-04T04:29:30 < upgrdman> i have my hole right on the edge, like this: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/stenciled_solderpaste.jpg
2017-08-04T04:35:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/IqCyxoN.png
2017-08-04T04:35:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jdMGKnZ.png
2017-08-04T04:35:33 < dongs> no violation
2017-08-04T04:35:46 < upgrdman> will try 3d model
2017-08-04T04:35:47 < upgrdman> thx
2017-08-04T04:35:55 < dongs> not only made with 3d model
2017-08-04T04:36:02 < dongs> i made hole with pad of 0mm, plated
2017-08-04T04:36:11 < dongs> then put top/bottom solder mask region circle
2017-08-04T04:36:45 < dongs> its a hack but it does what you want
2017-08-04T04:37:57 < upgrdman> k
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2017-08-04T05:07:03 < aandrew> yeah I wish altium allowed me to "sign off" on DRCs so they don't keep showing up. THat's one thing Eagle did well
2017-08-04T05:07:19 < aandrew> "yes, I know the fucking ground is violating, it's intended to" kind of thing
2017-08-04T05:08:36 < aandrew> upgrdman: nice reflow
2017-08-04T05:09:28 < upgrdman> aandrew, lol, thx
2017-08-04T05:09:42 < upgrdman> i have a hot air station at home, but not at work :)
2017-08-04T05:13:34 < aandrew> you reflowed the thing with a heat gun?
2017-08-04T05:13:50 < dongs> < aandrew> yeah I wish altium allowed me to "sign off" on DRCs so they don't keep showing up.
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2017-08-04T05:13:53 < dongs> thats already there
2017-08-04T05:13:55 < dongs> in 17
2017-08-04T05:14:06 < aandrew> oh nice. haven't upgraded
2017-08-04T05:15:42 < upgrdman> aandrew, yes
2017-08-04T05:15:53 < aandrew> how many later
2017-08-04T05:15:55 < aandrew> layer
2017-08-04T05:16:08 < upgrdman> aandrew, and the only rework i had to do was because of my shaky hand smearing the QFN pads paste
2017-08-04T05:16:11 < upgrdman> just 2L
2017-08-04T05:27:32 < upgrdman> aandrew, the end result of that project was this: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/fiber_optics.jpg
2017-08-04T05:27:40 < upgrdman> and they all worked :)
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2017-08-04T05:38:25 < jadew> I'm starting to doubt my abilities as a programmer
2017-08-04T05:38:35 < branjb> hire an indian
2017-08-04T05:39:06 < jadew> am I being dumb for writing code for days just to understand a problem? and then have a complete rewrite/redesign?
2017-08-04T05:39:25 < jadew> I mean... is there a better way that escapes me? cuz I seem to do this quite a lot
2017-08-04T05:40:34 < branjb> probably, but I do that
2017-08-04T05:40:47 < branjb> hard to understand a problem and the issues unless you start trying to hash it out
2017-08-04T05:41:09 < jadew> if there is a better way, then this way is extremely counter productive, but no matter what I tried so far, complex problems always seem to end up in this cycle of write to understand + final rewrite
2017-08-04T05:41:39 < upgrdman> jadew, thats normal
2017-08-04T05:41:51 < upgrdman> why do you think ~every PCB has a "revision" etc.
2017-08-04T05:42:15 < branjb> i prototype stuff a lot at work, my boss usually tells me to do it as quick and dirty and shitty programming as possible as a proof of concept.  then when it works I start from scratch and do it intelligently
2017-08-04T05:42:16 < upgrdman> and ~every source code repo has >1 commit
2017-08-04T05:42:33 < branjb> "intelligently"
2017-08-04T05:42:40 < branjb> >stackexchange how to do this
2017-08-04T05:43:06 < jadew> well, I know it's normal, but it seems like the wrong way to do it
2017-08-04T05:43:21 < jadew> it basically means I fail to understand the problem before I start writing the code
2017-08-04T05:43:34 < upgrdman> jadew, thats normal
2017-08-04T05:43:37 < branjb> how can you understand the problem when you've never even tried to solve it?
2017-08-04T05:43:47 < jadew> and writing the code takes a lot of time and effort
2017-08-04T05:44:02 < branjb> that's like trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle by just staring at the pieces to figure out where they go without ever moving them
2017-08-04T05:44:03 < jadew> branjb, well, that's the thing, I try to solve it beforehand
2017-08-04T05:44:18 < jadew> as in, put it on my whiteboard and try to understand it
2017-08-04T05:44:36 < branjb> i mean, you should have a decent idea how to approach it, but at least my initial approaches never look anything like finished products
2017-08-04T05:45:08 < jadew> yeah, same here
2017-08-04T05:45:49 < jadew> I think that if I can solve this, I could reduce the time I put in for complex stuff by maybe 70%
2017-08-04T05:45:52 < branjb> usually it's something i think is trivial because i don't actually understand it, then go to implement it and realize it's more complex, or that other parts are way more dependant on it
2017-08-04T05:45:58 < jadew> because the rewrite is always much faster
2017-08-04T05:46:23 < jadew> so the problem is going from idea to full understanding, while skipping the step where you write code for an idea you don't fully understand
2017-08-04T05:46:44 < jadew> branjb, yeah, that seems like a typical scenario
2017-08-04T05:47:28 < branjb> i mean you can draw block diagrams that show arguments and returns, and draw lines and shit.. but for me it's usually just as easy to code it.  can't compile a block diagram, so doing it in code lets you quickly realize certain things won't work
2017-08-04T05:47:56 < branjb> i'm a terrible programmer though
2017-08-04T05:48:22 < jadew> I draw diagrams, but I don't go into too much detail
2017-08-04T05:48:26 < jadew> maybe that's where the problem is
2017-08-04T05:48:41 < upgrdman> dry erase board
2017-08-04T05:48:44 < branjb> are you doing embedded or GUI shit or what?
2017-08-04T05:49:26 < jadew> branjb, I'm doing a lot of sutff, currently I'm working on some web component that I need for my site
2017-08-04T05:49:36 < jadew> but this problem exists across the board
2017-08-04T05:50:19 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, this idea came to me after I erased my board just so I can reorganize everything and write down the new structure
2017-08-04T05:50:30 < upgrdman> :)
2017-08-04T05:51:44 < branjb> upgrdman how many revisions do you normally go through for boards?  say, that board that you posted a pic to earlier
2017-08-04T05:51:58 < upgrdman> branjb, usually two
2017-08-04T05:52:48 < branjb> what kinds of things do you tend to revise the most?
2017-08-04T05:52:57 < jadew> screw ups :)
2017-08-04T05:53:38 < upgrdman> branjb, well on that last board, it was my first time amplifing photodiode signals, and i fucked up my op amp circuit on rev1
2017-08-04T05:54:11 < upgrdman> so ya, i tend to fuck up things im just starting to learn about
2017-08-04T05:54:12 < branjb> so would you say that most rev 2's are for things you'd never done before?
2017-08-04T05:54:27 < upgrdman> prolly
2017-08-04T05:54:34 < dongs> sup stackexchangers
2017-08-04T05:55:06 < upgrdman> this worked perfectly on rev1, which surprised me: http://farrellf.com/temp/first2layerPcb.jpg
2017-08-04T05:55:24 < dongs> ya but that shit is simple, literally
2017-08-04T05:55:28 < upgrdman> was really surprised it worked, considering I MADE NO SCHEMATIC :)
2017-08-04T05:55:38 < dongs> how did you lay it out then
2017-08-04T05:55:42 < dongs> just making nets in pcb?
2017-08-04T05:55:45 < upgrdman> gEDA
2017-08-04T05:55:45 < branjb> why woould you do that
2017-08-04T05:55:46 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-04T05:55:50 < dongs> .. geda
2017-08-04T05:55:53 < upgrdman> was too lazy to make a schematic
2017-08-04T05:55:55 < jadew> that's hardcore lol
2017-08-04T05:55:57 < dongs> please tell me youre joking
2017-08-04T05:56:02 < upgrdman> dongs, yes, look at pcb date. i was a n00b.
2017-08-04T05:56:51 < dongs> R8 my stm32
2017-08-04T05:59:14 < dongs> R2COM: when do you begin linking something funny
2017-08-04T05:59:15 < branjb> lol your first board looks like boards I make now
2017-08-04T05:59:16 < jadew> is chatroulette still a thing?
2017-08-04T05:59:31 < dongs> was it ever
2017-08-04T06:00:17 < jadew> I tried it once, there were too many dicks for my liking
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2017-08-04T06:00:58 < dongs> i adjusted winamp.exe settings for directsound buffer/etc, and now it has a funny failure mode: it keeps repeating last 1-2 seconds or so when the remote side craps out. however cuz i listen to difm/goa/trance shit, its hard to tell when its locked up. sometimes i end up listening to same shit for hours util i notice its just looping last second or so of stuff
2017-08-04T06:01:23 < dongs> autism or not? YOU DECIDE
2017-08-04T06:01:24 < jadew> on the other hand I was streaming a video of a guy yelling bible stuff
2017-08-04T06:02:30 < jadew> lol dongs
2017-08-04T06:03:16 < branjb> R2COM i was waiting for the russian dude to get dicks in his face
2017-08-04T06:04:50 < jadew> R2COM, sounds like you have a choice in which dick you can take out
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2017-08-04T06:07:54 < dongs> - Featured Unit -
2017-08-04T06:07:54 < dongs> Keysight / Agilent N5242A
2017-08-04T06:07:54 < dongs> PNA-X Network Analyzer
2017-08-04T06:07:54 < dongs> Up to 26.5 GHz
2017-08-04T06:09:31 < dongs> donno some random spam
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2017-08-04T06:09:41 < jadew> how much?
2017-08-04T06:09:50 < dongs> $cant_afford
2017-08-04T06:09:51 < dongs> for sure
2017-08-04T06:09:54 < dongs> (you)
2017-08-04T06:10:08 < dongs> oh gawd
2017-08-04T06:10:10 < dongs> i totalyl forgot
2017-08-04T06:10:12 < dongs> maker faire tokyo
2017-08-04T06:10:15 < dongs> when is that shit fuck
2017-08-04T06:10:20 < dongs> last one was fucking AWFUL
2017-08-04T06:10:38 < dongs> fuck
2017-08-04T06:10:39 < dongs> tomrworwo
2017-08-04T06:10:49 < dongs> fsdflk;sdjklsfj
2017-08-04T06:11:08 < englishman> why would you spend more than 0 seconds autisming over that shit
2017-08-04T06:11:27 < englishman> you didnt spend any time autisming over defcon, aka the las vegas software maker faire
2017-08-04T06:11:55 < dongs> i'm sorry, defcon is actually filled with real, live faggots
2017-08-04T06:12:04 < dongs> and its in aids capital of USA
2017-08-04T06:12:46 < englishman> is tokyo maker faire only attended by LINE video chatters calling in?
2017-08-04T06:12:54 < dongs> yes
2017-08-04T06:13:18 < branjb> all cons are filled with real live faggots
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2017-08-04T06:17:23 < scrts> guys, if you need to display data on PC graphically - what do you use to create a basic gui?
2017-08-04T06:17:46 < dongs> win32apio
2017-08-04T06:17:54 < dongs> win32api, rather
2017-08-04T06:19:09 < branjb> powerpoint
2017-08-04T06:20:13 < englishman> mspaint
2017-08-04T06:20:23 < dongs> more like paint3d
2017-08-04T06:20:26 < scrts> I mean I want to graph data from stm32 adca
2017-08-04T06:20:28 < englishman> corel draw
2017-08-04T06:20:32 < scrts> over usb
2017-08-04T06:20:41 < scrts> most likely over usb cdc
2017-08-04T06:20:52 < dongs> i think upgrdman uses JAVA
2017-08-04T06:20:54 < dongs> and some opengl aids
2017-08-04T06:21:17 < scrts> crazy sophisticated stuff I guess
2017-08-04T06:21:37 < scrts> I've used some labview before, but don't remember that .vi crap anymore
2017-08-04T06:21:45 < scrts> anyone with visual studio?
2017-08-04T06:22:02 < branjb> use python
2017-08-04T06:22:20 < englishman> for this one bullshit thing i used Go to write a webserver, receive packets over uart or whatever and graph them
2017-08-04T06:22:24 < englishman> like 30 lines
2017-08-04T06:22:29 < dongs> . lol
2017-08-04T06:22:38 < englishman> http://cardboard.airdtf.com:6969/
2017-08-04T06:22:40 < branjb> isn't Go a meme language?
2017-08-04T06:22:50 < englishman> as much as you are a meme student
2017-08-04T06:22:59 < branjb> i graduated
2017-08-04T06:23:01 < branjb> worthless degree
2017-08-04T06:23:07 < englishman> tell us more
2017-08-04T06:23:17 < englishman> about your disappointment
2017-08-04T06:23:39 < branjb> literally a checked box to not get applications tossed before they hit HR
2017-08-04T06:24:48 < englishman> now they just get tossed at a later stage
2017-08-04T06:24:53 < branjb> yeah
2017-08-04T06:25:03 < branjb> but at least i get to talk to someone before they never call me back now
2017-08-04T06:25:32 < branjb> ECE
2017-08-04T06:25:50 < branjb> probably
2017-08-04T06:26:14 < jadew> I hired people without formal education before
2017-08-04T06:26:53 < jadew> that degree can sometime tilt the ballance against you
2017-08-04T06:27:01 < jadew> *sometimes
2017-08-04T06:27:02 < dongs> who wouldn't wa nna work for cypress.in
2017-08-04T06:27:09 < branjb> the only hardware my entire program touched was arduinos
2017-08-04T06:27:22 < branjb> the rest was all memeology 101
2017-08-04T06:27:38 < branjb> you in phoenix R2COM?
2017-08-04T06:27:41 < englishman> cypress is only hiring social media managers
2017-08-04T06:28:14 < branjb> oh really
2017-08-04T06:28:30 < branjb> I used a PSoC once
2017-08-04T06:29:00 < englishman> sorry to hear that. good thing you graduated to stm32
2017-08-04T06:29:01 < jadew> IMO school takes too long
2017-08-04T06:29:21 < jadew> I mean, it's cool that you learn a bunch of stuff, but they should shove it down your throat at a faster rate
2017-08-04T06:29:31 < branjb> I agree
2017-08-04T06:29:58 < branjb> most of it is just overview, gotta actually do shit on your own to learn anything
2017-08-04T06:30:25 < jadew> exactly, which is why it should take 4 years+ to do it
2017-08-04T06:30:52 < branjb> it could be 2-3 if all the geneds were cut out
2017-08-04T06:30:52 < dongs> k not going to manmaker fail
2017-08-04T06:30:59 < dongs> got other shit to do
2017-08-04T06:31:07 < branjb> I took ~12 classes of shit like multicultural america
2017-08-04T06:31:14 < branjb> history of music
2017-08-04T06:31:17 < branjb> water skiing
2017-08-04T06:31:18 < jadew> lol
2017-08-04T06:31:31 < dongs> sounds like your school is just a school for FAGGOTS
2017-08-04T06:31:37 < branjb> that water skiing class was actually pretty fucking cool
2017-08-04T06:32:07 < branjb> $150 for 15 waterskiing days
2017-08-04T06:32:39 < jadew> branjb, too bad you can't put that on your resume
2017-08-04T06:32:58 < englishman> sounds like an AWESOME use of your LEARNING time
2017-08-04T06:32:59 < jadew> well, you can, but I wouldn't do it
2017-08-04T06:33:03 < branjb> lol
2017-08-04T06:33:11 < dongs> faggots still hire by resume?
2017-08-04T06:33:18 < branjb> the only thing on my resume about school is GPA and Degree
2017-08-04T06:33:25 < dongs> I think my GPA was liek 2.0
2017-08-04T06:33:37 < dongs> or lwoer, if it can be lower
2017-08-04T06:33:47 < dongs> whatever i had was the lowest shit.
2017-08-04T06:33:49 < jadew> what's this GPA?
2017-08-04T06:33:59 < jadew> like a general test?
2017-08-04T06:34:03 < branjb> I've actually got two offers so far but they were retarded as fuck offers
2017-08-04T06:34:09 < dongs> no i think its just avrage of all your grades
2017-08-04T06:34:12 < jadew> got it
2017-08-04T06:34:12 < dongs> and i failed everythign
2017-08-04T06:34:39 < jadew> out of 5?
2017-08-04T06:34:47 < dongs> no, i wasnt allowed to pass either
2017-08-04T06:34:51 < dongs> i dropped out of college after liek 1.5 years
2017-08-04T06:35:08 < jadew> ^5
2017-08-04T06:35:11 < dongs> thought of taking it up again but i'd have to take something like 12-20 credits "on probation"
2017-08-04T06:35:15 < dongs> just to prove i wouldn't sleep in class again
2017-08-04T06:35:16 < dongs> so fuck taht
2017-08-04T06:35:58 < dongs> discover some new DONGS
2017-08-04T06:36:39 < jadew> they thanked you for allowing them to be YOUR teachers?
2017-08-04T06:38:20 < branjb> i can't wait to move to AZ
2017-08-04T06:38:31 < branjb> it'll be like a black moving to the north in 1872
2017-08-04T06:41:47 < branjb> R2COM you know of any companies in phoenix to look for design jobs besides intel/amazon/honeywell?
2017-08-04T06:42:15 < branjb> most job search engines are spammed with those companies or recruiters posting shit for those companies
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2017-08-04T06:52:06 < branjb> is it dumb to bring boards you designed to an interview?
2017-08-04T06:52:25 < jadew> no
2017-08-04T06:52:44 < branjb> how do the logistics of that work?  you stash it in your pocket or something?  walk in with a backpack?
2017-08-04T06:52:54 < branjb> "hey btw show and tell time"
2017-08-04T06:52:57 < jadew> regardless of the type of job you're interviewing for, if you can bring stuff that's relevant to the interview, bring it
2017-08-04T06:53:26 < branjb> but then they can't touch it
2017-08-04T06:53:32 < jadew> yeah, I'd go with the board
2017-08-04T06:53:35 < branjb> which is probably good
2017-08-04T06:53:46 < branjb> because they won't see my shit ass soldering job or terrible traces
2017-08-04T06:53:57 < jadew> you don't go with the shit ones...
2017-08-04T06:54:10 < branjb> what if they all are?
2017-08-04T06:54:20 < jadew> then you don't go with any boards :)
2017-08-04T06:54:23 < branjb> haha
2017-08-04T06:54:29 < branjb> blue wires everywhere
2017-08-04T06:55:13 < branjb> ^
2017-08-04T06:55:29 < branjb> I'm confident there is a ton of shit I don't know
2017-08-04T06:56:28 < dongs> job: use python
2017-08-04T06:56:30 < dongs> fuck that shit
2017-08-04T06:59:14 < dongs> just furious blogigng
2017-08-04T06:59:23 < branjb> mccain died
2017-08-04T06:59:29 < dongs> who
2017-08-04T07:00:09 < branjb> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1501816351652.jpg
2017-08-04T07:00:33 < dongs> no clue
2017-08-04T07:00:42 < englishman> are we supposed to know
2017-08-04T07:00:57 < englishman> isnt that an orange juice
2017-08-04T07:01:03 < englishman> i think they sell that here
2017-08-04T07:01:10 < dongs> wat
2017-08-04T07:01:14 < dongs> englishman: who are you autisming to
2017-08-04T07:01:16 < englishman> yeah mccain orange juice
2017-08-04T07:01:19 < englishman> bran
2017-08-04T07:01:21 < branjb> haha
2017-08-04T07:01:40 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCain_Foods
2017-08-04T07:01:52 < englishman> oh its canadian
2017-08-04T07:02:03 < dongs> don't have an office in japan
2017-08-04T07:02:05 < dongs> page closed
2017-08-04T07:02:43 < englishman> no juice for you
2017-08-04T07:04:15 < dongs> alaska internet is garbage
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2017-08-04T07:04:53 < branjb> facebook trying to hype their AI by saying they had to shut it down
2017-08-04T07:06:03 < dongs> teh fuck does facegook needs AI for
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2017-08-04T07:06:14 < dongs> shutting down suicide livestreams?
2017-08-04T07:06:31 < dongs> <clippy> Hi! it looks ilke you're trying to hang yourself, would you like help wiht that?
2017-08-04T07:07:00 < dongs> y/y/y
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2017-08-04T07:16:22 < dongs> blame orcad
2017-08-04T07:17:18 < dongs> signs of autism
2017-08-04T07:17:23 < dongs> better /msg ohsix for advice
2017-08-04T07:17:31 < dongs> he beat the system and came out on top
2017-08-04T07:17:49 < upgrdman> was afk, re: dongs and java, yes, for pc software i mostly use java
2017-08-04T07:18:01 < upgrdman> hmm scrts is gone down
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2017-08-04T07:20:24 < dongs> which stms had touchsense
2017-08-04T07:20:43 < dongs> hmm L0, F3, L4
2017-08-04T07:20:44 < dongs> what hte hell
2017-08-04T07:20:45 < dongs> all useless
2017-08-04T07:21:18 < upgrdman> iirc f0 does too
2017-08-04T07:21:28 < dongs> time to fire up cube
2017-08-04T07:21:31 < dongs> google is useelss
2017-08-04T07:21:41 < upgrdman> lolumad.jpg
2017-08-04T07:22:20 < dongs> new cube MCU finder is retarded af tho
2017-08-04T07:22:21 < dongs> god damn
2017-08-04T07:22:33 < dongs> dat java shit
2017-08-04T07:22:44 < dongs> DOWNLOAD FILE MCUDESCRIPTION.JSON
2017-08-04T07:22:45 < dongs> comeon
2017-08-04T07:23:18 < dongs> oh wow urite
2017-08-04T07:23:20 < dongs> lots of F0s have it
2017-08-04T07:23:57 < dongs> oh duh... i have F072disco on my desk and it has those touchsense shits
2017-08-04T07:26:04 < dongs> hm basically just ADC pins
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2017-08-04T07:38:36 < dongs> http://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/dm00087990.pdf
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2017-08-04T08:13:00 < englishman> im using f0 tsc AMA
2017-08-04T08:13:29 < englishman> it just pwms shit from the sensor into a cap and counts how many counts
2017-08-04T08:13:31 < englishman> pretty simple
2017-08-04T08:13:47 < dongs> englishman: i only used faggotmel TSC
2017-08-04T08:13:50 < dongs> each button needed R+C
2017-08-04T08:13:56 < dongs> this fancy st shit has some groups and only needs one cap
2017-08-04T08:14:00 < dongs> i dont even undrestand how that works
2017-08-04T08:14:06 < englishman> well in stm32 you can use a single cap to measure a bank of sensors in series
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2017-08-04T08:14:14 < englishman> it just pokes one after the other
2017-08-04T08:14:18 < englishman> using a single periph
2017-08-04T08:15:08 < dongs> i geuss ill jsut have to read more appnotes and look at sch
2017-08-04T08:15:16 < dongs> i didnt check too much , just the shit i pasted earlier
2017-08-04T08:15:37 < englishman> using HAL it was like 4min to get running
2017-08-04T08:15:56 < dongs> i bet
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2017-08-04T08:16:33 < dongs> how thick is PCB if I wanna put a USB-A plug on the end of it
2017-08-04T08:17:05 < englishman> crt
2017-08-04T08:18:03 < englishman> http://imgur.com/a/X6vD4
2017-08-04T08:18:20 < englishman> i made an album
2017-08-04T08:18:33 < englishman> filet minou
2017-08-04T08:18:43 < dongs> not cooked enough
2017-08-04T08:19:02 < dongs> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/278861/pcb-thickness-to-be-used-as-usb
2017-08-04T08:19:07 < dongs> fucking retarduino retards
2017-08-04T08:19:13 < dongs> since when is 2mm pcb more expensive than 1.6 Lol
2017-08-04T08:19:22 < dongs> not even my local place charges more for that shit
2017-08-04T08:19:39 < dongs> 0.2mm maybe
2017-08-04T08:20:19 < dongs> i wonder where I can find that footprint without resorting to importing eagle gerber files
2017-08-04T08:20:25 < dongs> would it be in USB2.0 spec??
2017-08-04T08:21:01 < englishman> i think i imported something from kicad for that, does that satisfy your criteria
2017-08-04T08:21:21 < dongs> .. no
2017-08-04T08:21:52 < dongs> downloading 80meg .zip off usb.org at 100k/sec
2017-08-04T08:21:58 < dongs> what hte fuck its 2017
2017-08-04T08:23:16 < dongs> http://www.frank-zhao.com/pics/usbpcbbusinesscard/connector_dimensions.png
2017-08-04T08:23:17 < dongs> ...............
2017-08-04T08:23:21 < dongs> INCHES?!!!!!?!?!?!?!?/
2017-08-04T08:23:28 < dongs> what the fucfffffckckckk
2017-08-04T08:23:46 < dongs> like literally uncontrollable fucking rage
2017-08-04T08:33:42 < englishman> here dongs use this https://www.touchofmodern.com/sales/stealth-spinners-1e454866-b308-43d9-baf1-810451a69529
2017-08-04T08:35:09 < dongs> it neesd my fucking email address
2017-08-04T08:35:11 < dongs> to even see the page
2017-08-04T08:35:16 < dongs> but i see faggit spinners through background
2017-08-04T08:35:18 < dongs> so page closed
2017-08-04T08:37:16 < englishman> correction
2017-08-04T08:37:24 < englishman> $80 tactical stealth fidget spinners
2017-08-04T08:37:49 < dongs> but is it made from aircraft grade aluminium
2017-08-04T08:37:53 < dongs> if not, fuck off
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2017-08-04T08:48:03 < dongs> heh instructables is owned by autodesk
2017-08-04T08:48:21 < dongs> oh wow, since long tiem ago
2017-08-04T08:48:24 < dongs> https://www.instructables.com/community/Instructables-Joins-Autodesk/
2017-08-04T08:49:31 < dongs> as a long time "auto cad hater', im sorry to see you go down this road.
2017-08-04T08:49:31 < dongs> with the soft ware they produce, non friendly to each other, import/export unfriendly, module dependent, exorbitant licensing fees, and too many companies used to be excellent, until they bought them, then they become middle of road, or low end junk without support, did i forget "pay as u go support"
2017-08-04T08:49:36 < dongs> I am truly sorry for this site, so much good has come from it, and auto cad must definitely see where they can make more money than u do, make more fees or charges, and commercialize the site to auto cad garbage, otherwise they'd have left u alone
2017-08-04T08:52:01 < englishman> i seem to remember instructables being total shit sometime long ago
2017-08-04T08:52:15 < englishman> like, just viewing shit required login + manual admin approval that never came
2017-08-04T08:52:22 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-04T08:53:13 < dongs> so yeah
2017-08-04T08:53:23 < dongs> it would cost me more to go to tokyo maker faile than to HK
2017-08-04T08:53:26 < dongs> thus: skipping
2017-08-04T08:53:37 < dongs> and the food in HK is way better.
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2017-08-04T09:04:07 < ohsix> huh, this failing toshiba supports sct error times that are really low (or off)
2017-08-04T09:04:16 < ohsix> it's just the regular one, not raid or weird edition
2017-08-04T09:06:16 < dongs> englishman: any QFN F0s have USB?
2017-08-04T09:06:25 < dongs> like QFN32 shits
2017-08-04T09:07:21 < dongs> wau even QFN28 have them
2017-08-04T09:07:24 < englishman> sure f042?
2017-08-04T09:07:24 < dongs> cool, thanks CUBE
2017-08-04T09:07:26 < dongs> ya
2017-08-04T09:07:27 < englishman> yea
2017-08-04T09:07:32 < englishman> ask cube
2017-08-04T09:07:36 < englishman> cube knows
2017-08-04T09:07:42 < dongs> did oyu used?
2017-08-04T09:08:03 < dongs> does it have USB BOOTLOADER lol
2017-08-04T09:08:25 < englishman> of course this isn't psoc dude
2017-08-04T09:08:46 < dongs> STM32F04xxx USART1/USART2/ I2C1/
2017-08-04T09:08:47 < dongs> DFU (USB Device FS)
2017-08-04T09:08:48 < dongs> w o w
2017-08-04T09:08:51 < ohsix> cube is a four cornered time
2017-08-04T09:09:42 < englishman> 80c st is worth more than $5 from cypress
2017-08-04T09:09:48 < dongs> haha
2017-08-04T09:09:50 < ohsix> i got one of the shits from aliexpress i was waiting for just for the battery
2017-08-04T09:09:55 < englishman> no xtal required too
2017-08-04T09:09:58 < dongs> right
2017-08-04T09:10:08 < dongs> how can they afford R2COM and his benz
2017-08-04T09:10:13 < dongs> if nobody uses thier shit??
2017-08-04T09:10:25 < englishman> they can't, $CY is dead
2017-08-04T09:10:31 < ohsix> it's a fill flash thing for phones with an internal battery for like a buck, it's triggered by output on the headphone jack. so with a signal generator i can use it as a stroboscope
2017-08-04T09:10:39 < englishman> stamps.com made more than cypress
2017-08-04T09:11:09 < dongs> actually its bee n slowly going up ever since R2COm started blogging there
2017-08-04T09:11:38 < dongs> uh
2017-08-04T09:11:41 < englishman> all of tech is up
2017-08-04T09:11:41 < dongs> stamps.com went $100
2017-08-04T09:11:45 < dongs> in the last ~day
2017-08-04T09:11:46 < dongs> wtf whyt
2017-08-04T09:11:52 < englishman> earnings
2017-08-04T09:12:04 < englishman> yesterday
2017-08-04T09:12:20 < englishman> ubiquiti is a $1bn company now
2017-08-04T09:12:33 < dongs> too bad their hardware is shit
2017-08-04T09:12:37 < englishman> with $20m r&d budget
2017-08-04T09:12:40 < englishman> heh
2017-08-04T09:12:40 < dongs> latvian warez 4 lyfe
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2017-08-04T09:40:15 < zyp> dongs, is it? I'm pretty happy with my ubnt shit
2017-08-04T09:42:09 < dongs> donno it looked more gay and expensive than mikrodik stuff
2017-08-04T09:42:21 < dongs> i have thier 10gbe/wireless shit and running for years
2017-08-04T09:43:17 < zyp> the wireless shit you bought some weeks ago? :p
2017-08-04T09:43:21 < dongs> no
2017-08-04T09:43:26 < dongs> wireless shit I bought like 3+ yearsa go
2017-08-04T09:43:30 < dongs> thats still hasnt rebooted even once
2017-08-04T09:43:33 < dongs> or dropped
2017-08-04T09:43:41 < dongs> the ~50 days ago was part2 of the network
2017-08-04T09:44:14 < zyp> the ubnt wifi thing I bought six years ago still works nicely too
2017-08-04T09:44:29 < dongs> but is it outdoors in typhoons? :)
2017-08-04T09:45:45 < zyp> hmm, I think the CPE for my parents' internet is also ubnt, that one is sitting outdoors in north of norway
2017-08-04T09:46:43 < zyp> I don't remember how long, I remember it replaced some orinoco CPE, but I don't remember what year
2017-08-04T09:47:31 < dongs> heh
2017-08-04T09:48:27 < zyp> also, empirical evidence is not really that impressive
2017-08-04T09:48:36 < dongs> fine
2017-08-04T09:48:40 < zyp> I'm pretty happy with the mikrotik shit with 10gbe ports too
2017-08-04T09:48:43 < dongs> reasons I dont like "ubiquity"
2017-08-04T09:48:51 < dongs> 1) name sounds like ubuntu, aka lunix for niggers
2017-08-04T09:48:58 < dongs> 2) mikrodik sounds WAY better.
2017-08-04T09:48:59 < zyp> even though one of the SFP+ ports died once and I had to reboot the shit to get it alive again
2017-08-04T09:49:57 < zyp> https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm <- this one looks pretty cool too
2017-08-04T09:51:35 < dongs> cool, that is cheap
2017-08-04T09:51:42 < dongs> finally 10g stuff is getting into affordable raneg
2017-08-04T09:51:44 < zyp> yes
2017-08-04T09:52:03 < zyp> ubnt has a 16-XG thing too, with some SFP+ and some RJ45
2017-08-04T09:52:09 < zyp> but that's like $100 more
2017-08-04T09:52:14 < dongs> see
2017-08-04T09:52:17 < zyp> and probably not passive cooled
2017-08-04T09:54:18 < zyp> https://mikrotik.com/product/CSS326-24G-2SplusRM <- this one also looks nice, it's cheaper than the CRS210
2017-08-04T09:54:41 < dongs> wow what the hell
2017-08-04T09:54:50  * dongs checks how much I paid for my buffalo managed switch
2017-08-04T09:55:46 < zyp> shame there's still nothing in between 2 SFP+ ports and 16 SFP+ ports though
2017-08-04T09:59:46 < dongs> whats with teh bandwidth on that thing
2017-08-04T09:59:49 < dongs> is that 88meg/sec?
2017-08-04T10:00:18 < zyp> 88000meg/sec
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2017-08-04T10:02:16 < zyp> but it's a bit silly counting, they're counting everything twice
2017-08-04T10:02:30 < dongs> yeah like aggregate bandwidth or seomthing?
2017-08-04T10:02:51 < zyp> there's 24 1G ports and 2 10G ports, which means you can feed 44G into it if you saturate all ports
2017-08-04T10:03:17 < zyp> and naturally if you feed 44G in, you'll have 44G coming out too, so it's counted again to give you the 88G figure
2017-08-04T10:03:44 < zyp> hmm, I guess that's the difference between throughput and capacity
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2017-08-04T10:04:26 < zyp> capacity sums up in and out, but actual throughput is just the data passing through the switch counted once
2017-08-04T10:04:47 < dongs> that thing is $112 at eurodk
2017-08-04T10:04:47 < dongs> damn
2017-08-04T10:04:50 < zyp> yes
2017-08-04T10:04:54 < dongs> how the fuck can tehy make that shit so cheacp
2017-08-04T10:04:58 < dongs> and their enclosures are kickass too
2017-08-04T10:05:00 < zyp> and CRS210 is $189 or something
2017-08-04T10:05:06 < dongs> some kinda stamped aluminum or something
2017-08-04T10:05:24 < zyp> main difference is that the CRS210 has that dumb useless lcd
2017-08-04T10:05:34 < dongs> 210 is the shit we bought right?
2017-08-04T10:05:38 < zyp> yes
2017-08-04T10:05:38 < dongs> 8 gbe and 2 sfp?
2017-08-04T10:05:50 < dongs> yeah that lcd is dumb, i just left it at the graphs thing
2017-08-04T10:06:03 < dongs> and i think it stopped working for touch cuz i tried poking it the other day and it wouldnt move off graphs
2017-08-04T10:06:12 < zyp> mine turns off after a few minutes
2017-08-04T10:06:17 < zyp> some screensaver shit or something
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2017-08-04T10:13:34 < Steffanx> Lol, zyp turned into dongs. He also uses "shit" in every other sentence :P
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2017-08-04T10:14:28 < dongs> gonna try that ubnt ipcam
2017-08-04T10:15:24 < Steffanx> Im sure its 10x better than random foscrap
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2017-08-04T10:18:13 < dongs> k bought. thanks for hte link, zyp!!
2017-08-04T10:18:54 < zyp> the switch?
2017-08-04T10:18:58 < dongs> y
2017-08-04T10:19:07 < zyp> the cheap one or the 10G one?
2017-08-04T10:19:21 < dongs> 24x1G/10G sfp
2017-08-04T10:19:41 < dongs> should be a dropin replacement for my house buffalo with more bandwidth and SFP to fileserver
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2017-08-04T10:56:34 < dongs> oh neat. 042 has TSC too
2017-08-04T10:56:39 < dongs> i can do TWO THINGS AT ONCE
2017-08-04T10:57:48 < invzim> before I get deeper into the soup, can I expect spi with dma to do 'continous' reads?
2017-08-04T10:57:59 < dongs> yes
2017-08-04T10:58:04 < dongs> why wouldnt it?
2017-08-04T10:58:08 < dongs> just remember max dma transfer size is 64k
2017-08-04T10:58:36 < dongs> so if you wanna do more than that, double buffer into ping-pong buffers or setup circular dma and pull stuff out faste r than it comes in
2017-08-04T10:58:37 < invzim> the polled reads looks like it's spending half the time idling (probably storing value to ram)
2017-08-04T10:59:35 < invzim> it's spi flash, so doing 512b reads - but would be nice to double the speed if it's not a big PITA to implement
2017-08-04T11:00:12 < dongs> dma stuff works great with spi flash for me
2017-08-04T11:00:22 < dongs> using it to read unicode font rom at runtime, for each cahracter
2017-08-04T11:00:23 < dongs> no problems
2017-08-04T11:00:49 < dongs> same SPI channel as the LCD is on - and font drawing is not affecting refresh whatsoever
2017-08-04T11:00:58 < invzim> nice
2017-08-04T11:01:08 < dongs> drawing->reading
2017-08-04T11:01:36 < invzim> the spi piece claims it has 64bit unique id, but just returns 0000..
2017-08-04T11:01:47 < dongs> ur doing it wrong
2017-08-04T11:01:56 < dongs> do the flash id command to amke sure your interfgace is working
2017-08-04T11:01:58 < dongs> itnerface
2017-08-04T11:02:18 < invzim> I can read the contents and get status etc, so I would assume getting the ID would be the same
2017-08-04T11:02:40 < dongs> check fineprint in datasheet
2017-08-04T11:02:50 < dongs> some IDs might only after certain datecode
2017-08-04T11:03:28 < dongs> have you tried doing readid? 9f 00 00 00 or something, depends on flash vendor but I think its mostly universal
2017-08-04T11:04:30 < dongs> ugh VDDIO2 is so dumb on F042
2017-08-04T11:04:41 < dongs> so like YAY, you can do dual voltage IO right,
2017-08-04T11:04:43 < dongs> BUT
2017-08-04T11:04:49 < dongs> USB shit is on the 2nd bank!
2017-08-04T11:06:29 < invzim> 9f on this one is just manufacturer, type and capactity
2017-08-04T11:06:34 < dongs> yes
2017-08-04T11:06:43 < invzim> but yah, could check datecodes etc and see if they have different revisions
2017-08-04T11:07:25 < dongs> iirc the shit I commonly use, had a unique ID thing, and below it in fine print it said something along the lines that you have to buy them pre-programmed like that
2017-08-04T11:07:28 < invzim> not critical, but would be nice to have a different ID than just the stm32 to discourage copying
2017-08-04T11:07:40 < dongs> oh is this your vga hdmi shit
2017-08-04T11:07:52 < invzim> 15khz -> 31khz, yes
2017-08-04T11:07:57 < dongs> shoulda have put an SHA204 thing on board
2017-08-04T11:08:22 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/ATsha204a
2017-08-04T11:08:43 < dongs> masquerade it as a FET
2017-08-04T11:08:49 < dongs> keep sekrets in it
2017-08-04T11:09:44 < invzim> "ATSHA204A is a full turnkey security device", that's a big promise :)
2017-08-04T11:09:55 < dongs> it works!
2017-08-04T11:10:46 < invzim> I'll have a peek, will have to do another pcb rev anyway
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2017-08-04T11:12:34 < dongs> waht did you fuck up
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2017-08-04T11:15:01 < invzim> just minor stuff, may change micro-sd slot, and the cyclone 10 LP fpga is half price and about to be available
2017-08-04T11:15:50 < invzim> but will finish the firmware stuff on current first
2017-08-04T11:19:52 < invzim> speaking of micri-sd, pcbcart had another part# for the one all over ali that turned out to be global connector MEM2055
2017-08-04T11:20:23 < invzim> CQ-TF-Z01
2017-08-04T11:22:02 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8P7XCTh21esamxibmhsRDlaaHJYN1pkVkx5a2xFajZpN0p3
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2017-08-04T11:27:41 < dongs> is that micro?
2017-08-04T11:27:45 < dongs> oh i guess
2017-08-04T11:28:20 < dongs> invzim: oh you mentioend that already
2017-08-04T11:28:24 < dongs> i already had that pdf saevd
2017-08-04T11:28:31 < dongs> Global_Connector_Technology-MEM2055-00-190-01-A-datasheet
2017-08-04T11:28:45 < dongs> or do oyu mean, thats another chink part# to match with it
2017-08-04T11:31:27 < dongs> hmm
2017-08-04T11:31:36 < dongs> F0disco touch has R+C per pin
2017-08-04T11:31:39 < dongs> sooo
2017-08-04T11:31:49 < dongs> i dont understand teh fucking grouping shit
2017-08-04T11:31:52 < dongs> fuckign aids
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2017-08-04T11:31:55 < dongs> why are the docs so retarded
2017-08-04T11:33:12 < Steffanx> Crt.
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2017-08-04T11:34:44 < dongs> wrong ansawer
2017-08-04T11:34:46 < dongs> answer, too
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2017-08-04T11:48:12 < dongs> install geda
2017-08-04T11:48:14 < dongs> proceed
2017-08-04T11:49:11 < dongs> finally found electrical specification of USB2 Type A socket
2017-08-04T11:49:13 < dongs> of course its in MM
2017-08-04T11:49:16 < dongs> and not fucking bullshit inches
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2017-08-04T11:51:42 < dongs> dont
2017-08-04T11:51:48 < dongs> use PROCAD
2017-08-04T11:52:20 < dongs> STMCube™ initiative was originated by STMicroelectronics to ease developers’ life by
2017-08-04T11:52:23 < dongs> reducing development efforts, time and cost. STM32Cube covers STM32 portfolio.
2017-08-04T11:59:40 < qyx> ergarding that sha204
2017-08-04T11:59:48 < dongs> ya?
2017-08-04T12:00:01 < qyx> I wonder when such simple auth devices become available
2017-08-04T12:00:07 < dongs> ?
2017-08-04T12:00:12 < dongs> its been around for at leas 5+ years
2017-08-04T12:00:21 < qyx> I mean hot this HMAC shit with shared password
2017-08-04T12:00:30 < Steffanx> Stvvn
2017-08-04T12:00:46 < Steffanx> Welcome.
2017-08-04T12:00:50 < dongs> qyx, there's more advanced ones
2017-08-04T12:00:56 < dongs> ECC108 etc.
2017-08-04T12:00:56 < qyx> like those in SIM/SAM modules
2017-08-04T12:01:13 < qyx> ecc108 sounds like some ellipses
2017-08-04T12:01:18 < qyx> might be the one
2017-08-04T12:01:21 < dongs> its ecdsa
2017-08-04T12:01:22 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-04T12:01:38 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/ATECC108A
2017-08-04T12:02:15 < qyx> NIST Standard P256 Elliptic Curve Support
2017-08-04T12:02:17 < qyx> fuck this
2017-08-04T12:02:43 < dongs> Because each random number is guaranteed to be unique from all numbers ever generated on this or any other device
2017-08-04T12:03:00 < qyx> uhm
2017-08-04T12:03:29 < dongs> thats a pretty bold thing to assert
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2017-08-04T12:11:50 < zyp> how big numbers are we talking?
2017-08-04T12:12:02 < dongs> all numbers ever
2017-08-04T12:12:15 < dongs> EVER AND EVER
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2017-08-04T12:13:34 < zyp> "key sizes of 256 or 283 bits"
2017-08-04T12:15:13 < zyp> if we're talking 256 bit numbers, I figure that's true
2017-08-04T12:15:42 < zyp> 2^256 is about 1e77
2017-08-04T12:17:25 < zyp> you could have a billion devices generate a billion numbers each, and the probability of hitting a preexisting number would still be 1e-59
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2017-08-04T12:24:07 < invzim> dongs: yes another part# and datasheet in the url
2017-08-04T12:25:42 < dongs> cool
2017-08-04T12:25:44 < dongs> saved anywaty
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2017-08-04T12:36:16 < qyx> zyp: from a crypto point of view, 1e-59 is an extraordinary big probability
2017-08-04T12:37:10 < qyx> but meh, it depends
2017-08-04T12:37:15 < dongs> is taht good or bad
2017-08-04T12:37:55 < qyx> 256bit keys are pretty common nowadays and are considered secure
2017-08-04T12:38:04 < qyx> ie. you would not typically guess them
2017-08-04T12:38:27 < qyx> it also depends on the algo used
2017-08-04T12:38:32 < qyx> for elliptic, it's ok
2017-08-04T12:39:49 < qyx> although for those mentioned curves there are other things to worry about
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2017-08-04T12:51:54 < upgrdman> anyone know of a non-nda arm mpu that can do 4k60? not gaming but like casual desktop fuckery at 4k60
2017-08-04T12:52:09 < dongs> samad5 cant?
2017-08-04T12:52:40 < dongs> oh uh
2017-08-04T12:52:43 < dongs> that NXP shit surely will
2017-08-04T12:52:52 < dongs> freescale crap thats in novena
2017-08-04T12:53:00 < dongs> i.mx wahtever
2017-08-04T12:53:17 < upgrdman> hmm. will google. thx
2017-08-04T12:53:36 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/arm-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx-8-processors/i.mx-8-family-arm-cortex-a53-cortex-a72-virtualization-vision-3d-graphics-4k-video:i.MX8
2017-08-04T12:53:41 < dongs> Deploy rich, fully-independent graphics content across 4x HD screens or 1x 4K screen
2017-08-04T12:54:04 < dongs> thats newest trash, there are many models that are in production already that will probly do 4k
2017-08-04T12:56:20 < ohsix> hurr
2017-08-04T12:56:40 < ohsix> held off doom by actualy filling the disk with a dummy file, so the situation was the same as a week ago
2017-08-04T12:58:58 < dongs> fuck sites that auto-switch to jap
2017-08-04T12:59:04 < dongs> and have no fucking dropdown for country/region
2017-08-04T12:59:10 < upgrdman> hmm, no one sell imx8 yet
2017-08-04T12:59:36 < upgrdman> guess ill check sam matrix for 4k60
2017-08-04T13:00:05 < dongs> hmm yeah 1080p max on all previous i.MX
2017-08-04T13:00:28 < dongs> they all have HDMI 1.4A
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2017-08-04T13:02:59 < dongs> is tegra too NDA for you?
2017-08-04T13:03:05 < dongs> shit like TK1 can do 4K
2017-08-04T13:03:15 < dongs> they do have a processor manual and shit
2017-08-04T13:04:19 < dongs> HDMI1.4b, so 4K @ 30hz or someshit
2017-08-04T13:04:21 < dongs> fail
2017-08-04T13:05:53 < Steffanx> When will you be here crt?
2017-08-04T13:06:09 < dongs> has the time come to pay for stroopwaffels
2017-08-04T13:06:14 < dongs> dearly pay with his life
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2017-08-04T13:10:52 < ohsix> what you need is some videocore iv upgrdman
2017-08-04T13:11:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: mali?
2017-08-04T13:12:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, non nda
2017-08-04T13:12:16 < ohsix> in the allwinner junk, dunno how good or even if there is open source hw decode
2017-08-04T13:12:30 < upgrdman> i want datasheets with jumping thrpugh hoops
2017-08-04T13:12:43 < upgrdman> without
2017-08-04T13:12:52 < ohsix> there are too many patents & they are not that interesting/complex/different
2017-08-04T13:14:07 < upgrdman> search mouser for 4k60 and lots of stm igbts pop up, lol
2017-08-04T13:14:10 < ohsix> there are prms and shit for intel
2017-08-04T13:14:32 < dongs> o shit upgrdman you just led ohsix on autistic chase that will last for weeks
2017-08-04T13:14:50 < ohsix> what do you hope to do with the datasheets
2017-08-04T13:15:28 < ohsix> you can hook the client gl shit and figure out how it builds execbuffers if someone hasn't done it already
2017-08-04T13:15:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, well i want to try, and prolly fail, at making a lunix SBC and 4k60 is the crappyist video i can tolerate.
2017-08-04T13:15:51 < upgrdman> just doing this for fun
2017-08-04T13:15:53 < ohsix> that's the stuff covered under nda, the rest of the stack is some gl client driver they license and you can't have that either
2017-08-04T13:16:15 < dongs> buy a SoM from shit like toradex etc
2017-08-04T13:16:19 < upgrdman> no real goal other than to learn and maybe succeed if i get lucky as fuck
2017-08-04T13:16:20 < dongs> make a carrier board for it
2017-08-04T13:16:23 < dongs> 100% less autistic
2017-08-04T13:16:51 < upgrdman> dongs, ya but i want the experience of aitisming an sbc
2017-08-04T13:16:59 < ohsix> videocore iv fits the shit but isn't likely going to do 4k60
2017-08-04T13:17:19 < dongs> upgrdman: better team up with o6 and do a dickstarter
2017-08-04T13:17:22 < dongs> for rageberrypi killer
2017-08-04T13:17:22 < upgrdman> and it might be nice resume filler if i ever decide to switch jobs etc
2017-08-04T13:17:47 < ohsix> there's openmx stuff on rpi too so writing a client to do it isn't a huge dick
2017-08-04T13:19:06 < dongs> nice autism filler
2017-08-04T13:19:12 < ohsix> oh hurr i forgot in all the hurgle bugle
2017-08-04T13:19:26 < dongs> i think succeeding at current job and having shit to show + good references is probably slightly more important than taht
2017-08-04T13:19:45 < dongs> iirc when that novena trash was made, they spent a decent amount of time trying to make DDR work
2017-08-04T13:20:02 < ohsix> someone messed with a circuit i designed based on some initial work by superpro ee, and they switched the output of it (which is supposed to bring mcu out of sleep) to the adc pin, the adc pin has a voltage limit that the circuit doesn't even accomodate
2017-08-04T13:20:13 < ohsix> i'm getting paid to fix it but irl lol, unforced error
2017-08-04T13:20:19 < dongs> and that means redoing a 8 or 10L board that tehy had
2017-08-04T13:20:24 < Steffanx> Teach me the skillz of reconing. This teapot can do that crt
2017-08-04T13:21:02 < dongs> dead reconing
2017-08-04T13:21:17 < ohsix> ReadError: finally got this thing https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Portable-Mini-16-Leds-LED-Flash-Fill-Light-For-iPhone-IOS-Android-Smartphone-Mini-Spotlight/32802232212.html forget exactly why i ordered it
2017-08-04T13:21:31 < Steffanx> Im dumb
2017-08-04T13:21:54 < ReadErr> battery?
2017-08-04T13:21:56 < ohsix> internal battery i think, but you can 'trigger' it from the phone via the jack, aka. you can modulate the light with the phone. that light plus signal gen = stroboscope and other fun stuff
2017-08-04T13:22:02 < ohsix> y
2017-08-04T13:22:06 < ohsix> it's really bright too
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2017-08-04T13:22:51 < dongs> who doesn't have amp!6 on ignore, raise your virtual hands
2017-08-04T13:23:02 < ohsix> i was playing with uhh, sfxr for android; it modulated the light in a neat way; some looked like thunder and junk
2017-08-04T13:23:18 < ohsix> never thought about modulating a light with generated audio just to see what it looks like
2017-08-04T13:24:38 < ohsix> lul took 58 days to get here, thought it was lost
2017-08-04T13:25:19 < dongs> so liek.. nobody? cool
2017-08-04T13:26:35 < ohsix> sept 13th, new broad city, lul just came up as an ad on youtube and i watched it :< hannibal burress is back
2017-08-04T13:27:59 < ohsix> k adios
2017-08-04T13:28:41 < dongs> how to install desktop lunix
2017-08-04T13:28:51 < ohsix> guy that f'd up is a nice guy, when he told me he moved the pin it was shortly after he ordered the boards; he was entering junk from my circuit drawings :{ didn't ask me
2017-08-04T13:29:32 < ohsix> sweet, irc font got corrupt on disk or something, that { looks like a bunch of garbage
2017-08-04T13:29:33 < ohsix> bbl
2017-08-04T13:29:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/g246WwR.png wtf is Cx and why is it listed like that
2017-08-04T13:29:52 < dongs> wehre the shit do i put it?
2017-08-04T13:31:30 < dongs> intwhatting
2017-08-04T13:31:37 < dongs> ye4ah?
2017-08-04T13:31:48 < dongs> so it doeesnt exist?
2017-08-04T13:38:30 < Steffanx> No ill jump into the dj business crt
2017-08-04T13:40:25 < qyx> are tantalum caps still a thing?
2017-08-04T13:41:56 < qyx> 10uF 125V, 83€
2017-08-04T13:42:55 < dongs> 83 EUR?
2017-08-04T13:43:27 < qyx> yes, some random vishay thing
2017-08-04T13:45:03 < qyx> I don$t know what for
2017-08-04T13:45:38 < qyx> I am searching for some 10u 100V mlcc
2017-08-04T13:45:47 < dongs> ive used them
2017-08-04T13:46:15 < dongs> explosions
2017-08-04T13:46:16 < qyx> found some AVX parts so far, 2.2uF/100V for a good price
2017-08-04T13:46:28 < qyx> X7R
2017-08-04T13:47:16 < qyx> I could kakimir something up and fill the whole backside of the pcb with caps
2017-08-04T13:47:33 < qyx> because no SMAs allowed
2017-08-04T13:49:44 < dongs> what .. eurodick already shipped my shit
2017-08-04T13:49:58 < dongs> eurodk
2017-08-04T13:50:06 < dongs> premier supplier of cheap high quality latvian drugs
2017-08-04T13:52:02 < qyx> more mikrotiks?
2017-08-04T13:52:34 < dongs> ya scroll up for zyp+me blogs
2017-08-04T13:52:47 < dongs> i gots myself a 24x GbE + 10gb sfp switch
2017-08-04T14:06:50 < dongs> ugh need 5 + 6 resistors in series
2017-08-04T14:07:10 < dongs> wasting a couple 4x resistor networks for each
2017-08-04T14:22:10 < Steffanx> *teapots
2017-08-04T14:25:12 < Steffanx> Boring
2017-08-04T14:26:13 < Steffanx> Whats so "cloud" about it dongs or is it just the buzz word business?
2017-08-04T14:28:09 < Steffanx> Those mikrotik router/switches are called "cloud blabla"
2017-08-04T14:30:58 < dongs> cloud faggotry
2017-08-04T14:31:04 < dongs> just buzzword trash
2017-08-04T14:31:19 < dongs> if I could, i'd call them PILES OF SHIT
2017-08-04T14:31:27 < dongs> and it wouldnt affect the operation
2017-08-04T14:36:50 < dongs> god damn why the fuck CUT TRACK takes up SO MUCH CPU in altidumb
2017-08-04T14:37:00 < dongs> trying to cut across like 8 parallel traces it nearly trashes my gaming rig
2017-08-04T14:37:08 < dongs> what hte fuck if I try to slice across 100 tracks??
2017-08-04T14:37:32 < dongs> fucking gross
2017-08-04T14:37:44 < dongs> altidumb is singlethreaded
2017-08-04T14:38:24 < dongs> propeller 2.0
2017-08-04T14:38:35 < dongs> lemme implement DDR4 bitbang on 32 cores
2017-08-04T14:43:15 < dongs> outsource it to amp6
2017-08-04T14:43:26 < dongs> he can be your internet advisor
2017-08-04T14:43:30 < dongs> how2google superfast
2017-08-04T14:44:29 < dongs> clustercuck
2017-08-04T14:46:34 < dongs> I saw a 7805 powering this virtex2 FPGA in a design
2017-08-04T14:46:40 < dongs> with a hueg heatsink on it
2017-08-04T14:48:43 < dongs> http://eda.eremex.com/cms/f/428359.jpg is this how it looked
2017-08-04T14:50:03 < Steffanx> Crazy Rig Trigger.
2017-08-04T14:51:19 < Steffanx> Behave kiddo. Behave a little
2017-08-04T14:51:34 < Steffanx> :P
2017-08-04T14:59:14 < Steffanx> Hah.
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2017-08-04T15:00:42 < Steffanx> When will we see a new brand called CRT in the dj world?
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2017-08-04T15:06:42 < Steffanx> You do this review work for the company or is it under personal title crt?
2017-08-04T15:07:57 < dongs> freecancer.com!
2017-08-04T15:08:21 < Steffanx> Dead.
2017-08-04T15:09:16 < dongs> freecancer?
2017-08-04T15:09:52 < Steffanx> 5 waffles/hour?
2017-08-04T15:09:56 < dongs> what do you comply it with
2017-08-04T15:10:01 < dongs> ChinaExport?
2017-08-04T15:10:53 < dongs> CISpr sounds like some LGBTQIAP+ thing
2017-08-04T15:11:49 < upgrdman> sometimes the idiots commenting on my yt vids... some dildo is telling people to not use a current limiting resistor when driving an ir led with a mosfet. just hook up led to 5v and drain...
2017-08-04T15:11:58 < dongs> lol
2017-08-04T15:12:15 < dongs> yeah just let it sink 1kW from teh fet
2017-08-04T15:12:25 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-04T15:12:38 < dongs> i have a pair of IR transmitters going through R + fet and the fucking LCD backlight dims when they transmit
2017-08-04T15:12:44 < dongs> cuz they draw like 300mA or someshit together
2017-08-04T15:12:49 < upgrdman> lol
2017-08-04T15:13:00 < dongs> would be way more without R
2017-08-04T15:13:24 < dongs> upgrdman: did he say it waz A-OK cuz they're PWM'd with carrier freq
2017-08-04T15:13:36 < dongs> (actually somewhat legit reason, but st ill fuck that
2017-08-04T15:14:05 < Getty> kinda sad, opening the unopened packages with the last boards my dad ordered
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2017-08-04T15:14:14 < dongs> Getty: did he die or somethign
2017-08-04T15:14:18 < Getty> yeah
2017-08-04T15:14:22 < dongs> mkay
2017-08-04T15:14:26 < dongs> missed that memo
2017-08-04T15:14:28 < Getty> its now 8 months ago and i am still cleaning up his mess
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2017-08-04T15:14:32 < dongs> oh.
2017-08-04T15:14:32 < upgrdman> hows that legit? leds have pretty high bw.
2017-08-04T15:15:01 < Getty> i just found some paper of his old job.... i mean like a paper from 1973 (administrative taxes related stuff)
2017-08-04T15:15:18 < Getty> 1973.... that was before I was born, that was like at least 2 house movings
2017-08-04T15:15:24 < Getty> and still this paper survived, unbelievable
2017-08-04T15:15:50 < jadew> Getty, sorry to hear about your dad
2017-08-04T15:15:54 < jadew> what did he order?
2017-08-04T15:16:04 < Getty> boards for the last production he was supposed to do
2017-08-04T15:16:23 < dongs> you should get them assembled.
2017-08-04T15:16:29 < Getty> nah
2017-08-04T15:17:28 < upgrdman> it'll turn out the boards are full of mistakes and you'll start to be glad he's gone
2017-08-04T15:17:37 < upgrdman> sorry, that was a fucked up joke.
2017-08-04T15:17:42 < dongs> teehee
2017-08-04T15:18:57 < Getty> hehehe no its ok, my dad actually was very picky
2017-08-04T15:19:04 < Getty> till his end he had a retour rate of 0.1%
2017-08-04T15:19:46 < upgrdman> retour == defect?
2017-08-04T15:20:07 < Getty> yeah
2017-08-04T15:20:13 < Getty> and all handmade
2017-08-04T15:20:43 < dongs> doing my 1st STM32 captouch board
2017-08-04T15:20:45 < dongs> will it work?!
2017-08-04T15:22:13 < Getty> the question is more: will it blend???
2017-08-04T15:25:59 < dongs> < upgrdman> hows that legit? leds have pretty high bw.
2017-08-04T15:26:03 < dongs> upgrdman: arduino-approved
2017-08-04T15:26:15 < dongs> stacksexchange is full of retards asking if its OK to pwm leds withotu R
2017-08-04T15:26:36 < upgrdman> lol k
2017-08-04T15:27:53 < jadew> I think most AVRs have a 40 mA limit on each pin or close to that
2017-08-04T15:28:04 < jadew> I wonder if it's "it can source" or it "shouldn't source more than"
2017-08-04T15:28:23 < Getty> oh yeah sure, that sounds good
2017-08-04T15:28:39 < jadew> (there's a slight chance that they might be current limitted)
2017-08-04T15:28:41 < Getty> if they put the CPU on a socket they can try it ;)
2017-08-04T15:45:37 < jadew> ok, I tried that
2017-08-04T15:46:03 < jadew> at 50 mA the voltage on the pin drops to 3 V (when the MCU is powered from 5)
2017-08-04T15:46:25 < invzim> hazaa, SPI with DMA working
2017-08-04T15:46:41 < jadew> then it rapidly falls and from 69 to 70 mA it drops from 1.2 to 0 V
2017-08-04T15:46:49 < jadew> so it really seems like it's limited
2017-08-04T15:46:58 < jadew> only that it's limited to 70 mA, not 40
2017-08-04T15:47:20 < jadew> I'm gonna measure the voltage on other pins while that one is at 0 V
2017-08-04T15:50:39 < jadew> ok, answer's in
2017-08-04T15:50:44 < jadew> pam pam pam
2017-08-04T15:50:47 < jadew> anyone wants to guess?
2017-08-04T15:52:13 < jadew> ok, it's not limitted per pin, but it is limitted per bank
2017-08-04T15:52:47 < jadew> and it seems to be limitted at 74 mA in this case (IIRC the datasheet might say something about 80 mA max per bank - so it's pretty close)
2017-08-04T15:53:13 < jadew> (it wasn't 70 mA as I said before)
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2017-08-04T15:53:56 < jadew> so I guess the ardutards are right in a way, you can do it without the resistor, but only if you are ok with all the other pins in that bank going to 0
2017-08-04T15:54:10 < jadew> you're basically PWMing the entire bank
2017-08-04T15:54:12 < invzim> but why would you...
2017-08-04T15:54:57 < upgrdman> also, the idiot commenting on my vid was talking about an led driven by a fet, not directly by a gpio
2017-08-04T15:55:38 < jadew> yeah, that's a different story
2017-08-04T16:09:35 < englishman> dongs how can you still be autisming over TSC
2017-08-04T16:09:39 < englishman> thats like the easiest shit
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2017-08-04T16:13:19 < englishman> wow that 24 port + 2 sfp+ is cheap as fuck
2017-08-04T16:13:36 < englishman> like thats what i paid for a used cisco
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2017-08-04T16:21:14 < englishman> https://mikrotik.com/product/RB1100Dx4
2017-08-04T16:21:16 < englishman> interesting name
2017-08-04T16:26:03 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ
2017-08-04T16:29:04 < jadew> next they'll incentivize it to read my email and figure out what kind of ads I like
2017-08-04T16:29:13 < jadew> ah, nvm, they already do that
2017-08-04T16:30:10 < Thorn> I remember reading about an analog neural net made of BJTs that controlled a multi-legged robot and learned how to walk and that was in 1990s
2017-08-04T16:30:19 < Thorn> and it had something like 20 or 30 transistors
2017-08-04T16:31:16 < Thorn> and it was not a simulation
2017-08-04T16:31:37 < jadew> yeah, impressive
2017-08-04T16:33:42 < upgrdman> dude edition, lol
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2017-08-04T16:53:48 < dongs> englishman: yes
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2017-08-04T17:02:33 < dongs>  < englishman> dongs how can you still be autisming over TSC
2017-08-04T17:02:36 < dongs> i donno
2017-08-04T17:03:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3w6bHfw.png is this right
2017-08-04T17:06:49 < upgrdman> wuts the blue line on gnd net mean, dongs
2017-08-04T17:07:42 < dongs> er,. its net color
2017-08-04T17:07:53 < dongs> like all gnd has that
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2017-08-04T17:08:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6PZCajn.png etc
2017-08-04T17:08:45 < dongs> so it looks better than just red/blue/etc trash in layout
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2017-08-04T17:22:54 < englishman> dongs, yeah nothing to it
2017-08-04T17:23:20 < englishman> you'll tune the 47nf value as you like it
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2017-08-04T17:23:29 < englishman> and i had 10k shunts
2017-08-04T17:23:30 < englishman> but whatever
2017-08-04T17:24:45 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Z3SOvHr.png
2017-08-04T17:24:51 < englishman> gets almost 30C in here at night when the ac is off
2017-08-04T17:25:09 < dongs> nice NEST log bro
2017-08-04T17:25:23 < englishman> that is a Go generated jpg on a Go webserver tyvm
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2017-08-04T17:30:10 < invzim> he, the stm32 stuff is starting to get useful.  Reading of a 4mbit spi with CRC32 in 0.23s
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2017-08-04T17:32:00 < dongs> how long does it take for go to generate a jpeg
2017-08-04T17:33:34 < englishman> like 1s to parse ~100k length array and draw 5 graphs and serve them on shitberrypi
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2017-08-04T17:39:51 < dongs> fucking F1 GPIO
2017-08-04T17:39:56 < dongs> how fuckin dum
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2017-08-04T20:25:50 < englishman> dongs https://streamable.com/cgntp
2017-08-04T20:27:47 < Steffanx> And then this applaus. Damn
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2017-08-04T21:12:37 < jadew> what happened there?
2017-08-04T21:13:22 < jadew> were they carrying petards?
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2017-08-04T21:15:15 < Getty> Steffanx: well, would be awkward if they wouldn't applaus to that
2017-08-04T21:18:59 < kakimir> when mouse starts bouncing cursor
2017-08-04T21:19:05 < kakimir> really old laser mouse
2017-08-04T21:19:43 < kakimir> is the laser diode going then?
2017-08-04T21:20:45 < Steffanx> Yes, killing people needs an applaus.. Getty :S
2017-08-04T21:21:17 < Getty> Steffanx: they actively prevented them from killing more people
2017-08-04T21:21:24 < Getty> you realize that, right?
2017-08-04T21:22:24 < Getty> this is no police anymore, those are just killing squads, who go around and kill everything that disturbs the order
2017-08-04T21:22:50 < Steffanx> It still doesnt deserve an applaus.
2017-08-04T21:23:22 < Getty> Well, if the police people would deny to kill people, then no one would give applaus
2017-08-04T21:23:50 < Getty> but they do it.... and no law will prevent them from continuing, what else you think is necessary?
2017-08-04T21:23:58 < Getty> should you just accept getting killed?
2017-08-04T21:24:40 < Getty> they applaus the rescue of lives, the pervert it sounds, but that is how it came down to there
2017-08-04T21:26:37 < Getty> in this case actually its pretty obvious that those cops were on their way to the next raid
2017-08-04T21:26:47 < Getty> where they would have killed the next opposition people
2017-08-04T21:27:53 < Getty> I am watching btw "All The Way" right now ;-)
2017-08-04T21:28:10 < Getty> where all the black people went on the streets cause of _3_ killed people
2017-08-04T21:28:29 < Steffanx> I still dont think it deserves an applaus, but whatever. This is not the right channel for such discussion
2017-08-04T21:28:49 < Getty> as if we disturb a big high quality STM32 support discussion ;)
2017-08-04T21:29:57 < Steffanx> I cant watch movies with Bryan Cranston. I only see Walter White and nothing but Walter White.
2017-08-04T21:30:09 < Getty> Steffanx: i think what you should differ here: _WE_ shouldn't applaus that it happens, but _THEY_ can for sure show their emotions about the situation, and the feeling that they can do "something", if you are in such a desperate situation you need that kind of lights, and then you become emotional
2017-08-04T21:30:10 < Steffanx> It's like he has no other acting mode.
2017-08-04T21:30:19 < Getty> Steffanx: but he is such a great actor
2017-08-04T21:30:31 < Getty> Steffanx: you should try "Why Him?" ... epic comedy
2017-08-04T21:30:42 < Steffanx> fuck no, i dont do comedy.
2017-08-04T21:30:48 < Getty> Hahahaha
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2017-08-04T21:31:27 < Getty> if you want him actually as Walter White, then you should watch the Infiltrator
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2017-08-04T21:32:26 < Steffanx> No, I cannot. I always expect him to go into his cabin and make meth :P
2017-08-04T21:32:51 < Steffanx> *should not
2017-08-04T21:33:12 < Getty> hahahaha
2017-08-04T21:33:31 < Getty> I watched Malcolm In The Middle before breaking bad like 5-10 times
2017-08-04T21:33:43 < Getty> i was always a big fan of his character there, can you imagine how i felt about breaking bad?! ;)
2017-08-04T21:33:55 < Steffanx> It's like all the actors from the matrix, they cannot be someone else. They are who there are in that movie :)
2017-08-04T21:34:10 < Getty> well, Keanu Reeves _IS_ the same in all freaking movies ;)
2017-08-04T21:34:15 < Steffanx> yes, kinda.
2017-08-04T21:35:25 < Getty> i have a problem to just remember any of those actors in any other movies ;)
2017-08-04T21:35:49 < Getty> beside that morpheus dude.... but he is like that 3rd black actor no one remembers ;)
2017-08-04T21:36:11 < Steffanx> LoTR with Smith ;)
2017-08-04T21:36:26 < Steffanx> note to self: stop emoticons
2017-08-04T21:36:36 < Getty> oh yeah, that was confusing
2017-08-04T21:38:14 < Steffanx> They tend to end up in series.
2017-08-04T21:39:36 < Getty> reminds me of the father of bernadette of TBBT.. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0761389/
2017-08-04T21:39:43 < Getty> he was like in everything ;)
2017-08-04T21:40:45 < Getty> but wait, if you never watch comedy, then you never saw Bryan in Malcolm in the middle?
2017-08-04T21:46:10 < Steffanx> I've seen that a few times, but like 5 minutes each time.
2017-08-04T21:46:32 < Getty> its like so crazy how bryan in there is like the total opposite of walter ;)
2017-08-04T21:47:13 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSFbREJVpGc
2017-08-04T21:54:59 < Steffanx> ^ just reminds my why i dont watch it :P
2017-08-04T21:57:44 < jadew> agent smith made a great elf
2017-08-04T21:59:08 < jadew> btw, wth was that discussion about the bikers
2017-08-04T21:59:10 < jadew> were they cops?
2017-08-04T21:59:17 < Getty> yes
2017-08-04T21:59:20 < jadew> can you guys give some context?
2017-08-04T21:59:34 < Getty> you didnt heard about venezuela?
2017-08-04T21:59:39 < jadew> I did not
2017-08-04T21:59:47 < jadew> something happening there?
2017-08-04T21:59:54 < Getty> surprise surprise... its funny how this topic totally falls through mass media
2017-08-04T22:00:12 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela_(2012%E2%80%93present)
2017-08-04T22:00:20 < Getty> well full fledge revolution you could say, corrupt government took over
2017-08-04T22:00:22 < Steffanx> i think it's mainly about the president what we hear.
2017-08-04T22:00:24 < Steffanx> and trump
2017-08-04T22:00:44 < englishman> sadly
2017-08-04T22:00:49 < Getty> Trump for sure produced the highest viewer rating for US of all time ;)
2017-08-04T22:00:51 < englishman> that unfunny mess of a country gets all the anntention
2017-08-04T22:01:00 < englishman> and cool places like venezuela go unseen
2017-08-04T22:01:13 < Steffanx> not so cool atm
2017-08-04T22:01:15 < Getty> englishman: its a good show, i mean, its like Truman show became real ;)
2017-08-04T22:01:40 < Getty> a show about a funny guy who lives in his own reality ;-)
2017-08-04T22:01:57 < Getty> oh sorry, should be more precise: funny looking guy ;)
2017-08-04T22:11:21 < gxti> we have the best ratings. no other country has ratings this tremendous.
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2017-08-04T22:11:44 < jadew> wish I didn't know about Venezuela
2017-08-04T22:12:17 < Getty> jadew: sorry ;)
2017-08-04T22:12:33 < jadew> now I have to inform myself on an issue I don't really care about, instead of doing actual work
2017-08-04T22:12:58 < Getty> jadew: always think to yourself: we are still living in the most peaceful time of humanity........ if that helps
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2017-08-04T22:13:32 < jadew> oh, I don't care about the humanitarian aspect that much
2017-08-04T22:13:57 < jadew> it's just that I have yet another distraction to keep me from working
2017-08-04T22:14:04 < jadew> so far it doesn't seem that bad
2017-08-04T22:14:09 < jadew> (what's going on there)
2017-08-04T22:14:55 < Getty> well it is more a lag of information, not a lag of "bad" that makes it look "not so bad" ;)
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2017-08-04T22:15:46 < jadew> could be, but I'd argue that these sort of things are good, not bad
2017-08-04T22:15:58 < jadew> every nation has to go through something similar in order to evolve
2017-08-04T22:16:16 < Getty> well, just if they are part of the fault
2017-08-04T22:16:31 < Getty> like we germans for sure are complicit in what happened, and you cant pin point it to hitler alone
2017-08-04T22:16:54 < Getty> while in brazil and venezuela the situation is based on pure corrupt and "evil" politicans
2017-08-04T22:17:03 < jadew> doesn't matter if they are not, things are bad and shit got stirred - that usually leads to a better country afterwards
2017-08-04T22:17:32 < Getty> there is nothing to learn from that beside to protect themself more from politicans, which is BAD for the big picture about peace if your people always hate your government (see US)
2017-08-04T22:18:07 < Getty> oh yeah, if you lose your corrupt president its always better.... but that will not make it a successful country directly
2017-08-04T22:18:10 < Getty> see brazil
2017-08-04T22:18:27 < jadew> for sure
2017-08-04T22:18:35 < jadew> but conflict is always benefical in a relationship
2017-08-04T22:18:49 < jadew> even if they don't change the government, conflict is a form of dialogue
2017-08-04T22:18:57 < Getty> its corruption
2017-08-04T22:18:59 < Getty> there is no dialogue
2017-08-04T22:19:06 < jadew> and both parties will learn something
2017-08-04T22:19:07 < Getty> they did illegal things and were able to hide it good cause of being government
2017-08-04T22:19:17 < Getty> there are no both parties ;) in those countries ;)
2017-08-04T22:19:42 < jadew> by parties I meant the rulling class and the rest of the people
2017-08-04T22:19:43 < Getty> US can learn something, yeah, get rid of republicans and start a real democracy ;)
2017-08-04T22:20:14 < Getty> well in the case of venezuela and brazil it was just the tip of the government not the actual economical powerful people
2017-08-04T22:20:29 < Getty> it was no schema of the cooperations, they were equally fucked in both countries
2017-08-04T22:21:44 < jadew> we recently had the government changed for the same reason
2017-08-04T22:22:09 < Getty> which government you speak of now? ;)
2017-08-04T22:22:10 < jadew> and that worked non violently because it didn't work like that in the past
2017-08-04T22:22:14 < jadew> and that's in recent memory
2017-08-04T22:22:17 < jadew> Romania
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2017-08-04T22:22:29 < jadew> 20 years ago we shot our president
2017-08-04T22:22:50 < Getty> seems a pretty effective solution ;)
2017-08-04T22:22:59 < Getty> you should franchaise it to US :D
2017-08-04T22:23:14 < jadew> well, it's what happens when the rulling class refuses to listen to the people and that's the point I was trying to make
2017-08-04T22:23:20 < jadew> one way or another lessons are learned
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2017-08-04T22:23:39 < Getty> ok, yeah, they "learn", yeah ok :)
2017-08-04T22:23:43 < jadew> in this case, the lesson was that if you have 20 k people in the streat that demand a new government, you do it
2017-08-04T22:23:52 < Getty> yeah isnt romania now superfucked with the ukraine situation?
2017-08-04T22:24:06 < jadew> it doesn't affect us in any way
2017-08-04T22:24:06 < Getty> i mean just economical alone
2017-08-04T22:24:12 < jadew> nope
2017-08-04T22:24:24 < Getty> oh ok, the red curtain prevented that buildup
2017-08-04T22:24:30 < Getty> so there was no relation to break, i get it
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2017-08-04T22:26:15 < Steffanx> Weren't you guys in the street lately jadew?
2017-08-04T22:26:23 < Steffanx> did anything change after that?
2017-08-04T22:26:31 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, the government
2017-08-04T22:26:39 < Steffanx> but did anything change. ;)
2017-08-04T22:26:47 < jadew> not really :)
2017-08-04T22:28:09 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-08-04T22:53:16 < Thorn> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A6j6_GRKiLs/WWwKV36MXlI/AAAAAAAACUs/wAsgjBGsNaUh9rsU-aMB_UCHslnGBvpxQCLcBGAs/s1600/405_EN.png
2017-08-04T22:54:12 < aandrew> http://gospodari.com/mobile/%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B5-%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B9-%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0-%28%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE%29-videom105236.html
2017-08-04T23:00:23 < Steffanx> Nasty url day?
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2017-08-04T23:04:09 < Steffanx> Such racism enabled aandrew, screw you.
2017-08-04T23:04:20 < Steffanx> *enabler
2017-08-04T23:05:20 < invzim> dongs: which speed do you read spi flash at?
2017-08-04T23:05:57 < kakimir> aandrew: :D
2017-08-04T23:06:18 < kakimir> beyond political incorrectness
2017-08-04T23:06:25 < Steffanx> Can you do Skyhook yet kakimir?
2017-08-04T23:07:08 < kakimir> I'm highest level of pro
2017-08-04T23:07:14 < kakimir> when it comes to flying
2017-08-04T23:07:18 < kakimir> I can do anything
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2017-08-04T23:08:29 < invzim> le sky god
2017-08-04T23:08:48 < kakimir> I can even defeat laws of physics in air
2017-08-04T23:09:19 < Steffanx> Sexy.
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2017-08-04T23:22:32 < Thorn> http://forums.x-plane.org/uploads/profile/photo-14686.jpg
2017-08-04T23:22:55 < kakimir> yes
2017-08-04T23:27:46 < kakimir> I have this assumption about flying
2017-08-04T23:28:05 < kakimir> that you need to know what you are doing
2017-08-04T23:28:10 < kakimir> or you die
2017-08-04T23:28:52 < kakimir> it's easy to imagine
2017-08-04T23:32:15 < zyp> less of a margin for error at least
2017-08-04T23:37:36 < Steffanx> do you know what you are doing kakimir?
2017-08-04T23:39:34 < kakimir> how would I know?
2017-08-04T23:41:09 < kakimir> we should go flying steffan
2017-08-04T23:41:12 < invzim> aviation/guns has some nice basic principles that would be well applied to a lot of engineering/operations stuff
2017-08-04T23:43:06 < englishman> Redneck everything together and damn the consequences?
2017-08-04T23:43:17 < englishman> Because that pretty well describes guns
2017-08-04T23:43:44 < invzim> gun design then :)
2017-08-04T23:45:36 < englishman> in that case, fast + cheap trumps all?
2017-08-04T23:45:40 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U682yOpNafg
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2017-08-04T23:49:59 < englishman> has .no made any cool guns
2017-08-04T23:50:07 < englishman> .se / .fi sure do
2017-08-04T23:50:14 < zyp> no, we just make missiles
2017-08-04T23:50:34 < englishman> and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hornet_Nano
2017-08-04T23:51:04 < zyp> and that
2017-08-04T23:51:05 < englishman> also you disguise your missiles as russian missiles
2017-08-04T23:51:40 < invzim> we got a little track record
2017-08-04T23:52:16 < invzim> Raufoss .50 cal round is pretty famous
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2017-08-04T23:53:31 < englishman> neato
2017-08-04T23:53:38 < invzim> and krag jorgensen rifle, but that's old
2017-08-04T23:54:25 < englishman> https://youtu.be/R_erHq06NcE?t=1m5s
2017-08-04T23:55:05 < invzim> I'm pretty sure raufoss is overkill for organic targets
2017-08-04T23:55:51 < englishman> i thought krag was danish?
2017-08-04T23:56:09 < englishman> apparently nørse designed
2017-08-04T23:56:10 < englishman> cool
2017-08-04T23:56:32 < invzim> we actually got a bit of defense industry, but the media is super quiet about it
2017-08-04T23:59:09 < Thorn> http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/drunk-employee-arrested-at-cern-after-causing-3-2-magnitude-earthquake/
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2017-08-05T00:00:27 < invzim> that's just what we need, a drunk russian making black hole in europe :)
2017-08-05T00:05:32 < jadew> "World News Daily Report assumes all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any person, living, dead or undead, is purely a miracle."
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2017-08-05T00:43:08 < kakimir> should I have like hundred local addresses?
2017-08-05T00:43:24 < kakimir> when I connect to internets via LTE dongle
2017-08-05T00:43:53 < Thorn> wat
2017-08-05T00:45:40 < kakimir> lemme show you
2017-08-05T00:47:10 < kakimir> I have 3 raspberry pis and a pile of XEROX CORPORATION and some TP-LINKs buffalos etc.
2017-08-05T00:50:14 < kakimir> oh they seem to like drive-by my local ip space
2017-08-05T00:50:30 < kakimir> I did rescan and half of them addresses are now ded
2017-08-05T00:54:11 < kakimir> wait this is not... now it says internet sharing nat address space is crowded
2017-08-05T00:54:38 < kakimir> unless conflicting
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2017-08-05T00:55:41 < kakimir> I have internet sharing via machine to rasp and it has .137.x address space
2017-08-05T00:55:58 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVUF2ME05RWF3c2M/view?usp=sharing
2017-08-05T00:59:02 < aandrew> invzim: you read it at a rate that makes sense for your design
2017-08-05T00:59:12 < aandrew> it's rare that I crank the speed as high as it goes unless there's a reason
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2017-08-05T01:00:25 < aandrew> invzim: I love getting contracts in avionics
2017-08-05T01:00:34 < aandrew> only had 3 now but they've all been awesomesauce
2017-08-05T01:00:48 < aandrew> would love some .mil contracts but I don't have clearance and I don't think there's much in Canada anyway
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2017-08-05T01:03:23 < aandrew> Thorn: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/200-million-years-old-dinosaur-egg-hatches-in-berlin-museum/
2017-08-05T01:05:05 < Thorn> http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/comment/%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-2699998.png
2017-08-05T01:11:17 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
2017-08-05T01:21:44 < Steffanx> A person is busy mr crt.
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2017-08-05T01:45:02 < invzim> verifying the spi flash at boot, 42mhz is stable - with both read&fastread
2017-08-05T01:46:07 < invzim> aandrew: what did you make/do (if you can tell)
2017-08-05T01:51:24 < aandrew> you might want to make sure you have some source impedance for termination up around that frequency
2017-08-05T01:53:39 < aandrew> invzim: I worked for aircell on their ucs5000, for satcomdirect on a similar project I can't think of the name of, and did some SI consulting work for the company that put the PCS systems in air canada rouge jets
2017-08-05T01:54:00 < aandrew> PCS, PCC, I can't remember wtf they called it - the pax controls you all fuck around with on a flight
2017-08-05T02:07:06 < aandrew> fuck I hate working with svn
2017-08-05T02:12:40 < invzim> git ftw :)
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2017-08-05T02:14:27 < Laurenceb_> Recreate Manchester's cultural scene yourself at home - empty a bin into your shower, get in fully clothed with a can of Boddingtons and turn the shower on.
2017-08-05T02:15:36 < invzim> sounds awesome
2017-08-05T02:16:07 < invzim> I presume the water temperature should be set to cold
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2017-08-05T02:18:11 < Laurenceb_> >when I go to London and Muricans run up to me and ask me if I'm local
2017-08-05T02:25:32 < englishman> and the beer temperature set to hot
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2017-08-05T02:32:19 < Rob235> why did I get these stupid spi stepper drivers
2017-08-05T02:32:24 < Rob235> I havent gotten one to work yet
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2017-08-05T02:42:38 < kakimir> because you assumed they were easy?
2017-08-05T02:43:00 < branjb> which ones, the L6470?
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2017-08-05T03:27:45 < Laurenceb_> >friend of a friend works at a heritage site
2017-08-05T03:27:45 < Laurenceb_> >some yanks come in, rather serious look on their faces
2017-08-05T03:27:57 < Laurenceb_> >"well we were wondering why they decided to build such a castle under a flight path"
2017-08-05T03:28:21 < englishman> lol
2017-08-05T03:34:12 < branjb> because back then it was considered a privilege to see airplanes, so nobles had priority over real estate in flight paths
2017-08-05T03:35:40 < Thorn> they built castles near airports because landing airplanes scared dragons away
2017-08-05T03:37:37 < aandrew> I like Thorn's explanation better
2017-08-05T03:44:56 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/igxkzV6
2017-08-05T03:45:07 < Laurenceb_> >Ishmael Sali
2017-08-05T03:45:48 < Laurenceb_> I find it impossible to believe any of them aren't trolls
2017-08-05T03:45:54 < Thorn> Putin with a gopro vs. fish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHy1a8B9ug
2017-08-05T03:55:38 < Laurenceb_> Tommy English sounds and looks like an obvious troll
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2017-08-05T04:07:28 < dongs> invzim: max of SPI interface, like 84/2MHz
2017-08-05T04:07:52 < dongs> hm no 84/4 cuz of the dumb lcd on same place
2017-08-05T04:08:02 < dongs> but i've tested it going at 42 or wahtever just fine.
2017-08-05T04:08:14 < dongs> those SPI flashes are good at 80-100mhz or someshit reads usually
2017-08-05T04:16:32 < englishman> steffy, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/17/dutch-king-willem-alexander-admits-to-working-part-time-as-an-airline-pilot
2017-08-05T04:16:45 < englishman> way better monarch than trudeau
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2017-08-05T04:39:58 < freakuency> hehe, interesting englishman
2017-08-05T04:40:48 < englishman> freakuency: are you actually in sweden right now
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2017-08-05T04:46:29 < englishman> possibly even goteborg
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2017-08-05T04:47:19 < englishman> if so, welcome
2017-08-05T04:47:26 < englishman> you are the first and only sweede to ever chat in this chan
2017-08-05T04:47:39 < englishman> also goteborg is pretty nice
2017-08-05T05:01:33 < branjb> anyone have any good sci-fi movie recommendations?
2017-08-05T05:06:33 < dongs> edge of tomorrow is pretty funny and doesn't have unnecessary tits as far as I remember
2017-08-05T05:06:52 < branjb> any unnecessary dongs?
2017-08-05T05:07:03 < dongs> dongs are never unnecessary
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2017-08-05T06:52:21 < aandrew> lol two of you fuckers are in lrh
2017-08-05T06:52:24 < aandrew> just noticed
2017-08-05T06:52:47 < branjb> lrh is gr8 m8
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2017-08-05T06:53:50 < englishman> who
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2017-08-05T07:10:44 < branjb> efnet
2017-08-05T07:11:17 < ohsix> efnet
2017-08-05T07:11:30 < ohsix> l0de
2017-08-05T07:29:50 < aandrew> I think you mean l0ded
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2017-08-05T12:05:12 < dongs> sup innovators
2017-08-05T12:27:44 < Rob235> what software do you use with those cheap saleae LA clones
2017-08-05T12:28:33 < Rob235> I used to use the logic app from saleae but either my LA broke or it stopped working
2017-08-05T12:28:44 < Rob235> with the latest version
2017-08-05T12:40:04 < dongs> sync: pal is thinking of getting into PV inverter business all by himself, starting with 100kW inverter
2017-08-05T12:40:10 < dongs> sync: how do i tell him to fuck off
2017-08-05T12:40:30 < dongs> i mean, i already tried shit like "you won't be able to use arduino with this"
2017-08-05T12:40:32 < dongs> but hes not gettingit
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2017-08-05T12:46:23 < zyp> haha, 100kW
2017-08-05T12:46:44 < dongs> yes
2017-08-05T12:47:06 < zyp> that's an order of magnitude larger than typical home installations, right
2017-08-05T12:47:11 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-05T12:47:18 < dongs> the ones ive seen that are 100kW take up an entier fucking rack
2017-08-05T12:47:56 < zyp> I mean, large home stuff is still usually <20kW
2017-08-05T12:48:38 < zyp> also, throwing everything on one inverter seems kinda dumb, I like the microinverter stuff
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2017-08-05T13:17:31 < Steffanx> i think people use sigrok/pulseview Rob235.
2017-08-05T13:18:45 < Rob235> hrm ok, I ordered a replacement clone because I think mine is just busted
2017-08-05T13:19:09 < Steffanx> maybe the sw busted it.
2017-08-05T13:19:22 < Steffanx> They did built in some detection iirc
2017-08-05T13:26:22 < Rob235> thats lame
2017-08-05T13:28:32 < Steffanx> Yeah protecting their stuff is lame :P
2017-08-05T13:29:07 < Rob235> :)
2017-08-05T13:29:17 < Rob235> then they shouldn't overcharge
2017-08-05T13:29:20 < Rob235> :P
2017-08-05T13:29:51 < Steffanx> maybe you pay for the tool by paying for the hw?
2017-08-05T13:30:59 < PeterM> dongs tell him he should be into heat exchangher design too because 97% efficient 100kw inverters gotta put that 3kw somewhere
2017-08-05T13:31:53 < Steffanx> No, he is going to make it 100% efficient.. he's arduino pro.
2017-08-05T13:49:37 < invzim> christ, there really is a lot of "fine print" when it comes to SPI flash..
2017-08-05T14:03:11 < barometz> there is!
2017-08-05T14:35:01 < ohsix> bluh
2017-08-05T14:36:11 < Rob235> bloh
2017-08-05T14:45:24 < ohsix> was playing board games with a pal and we got onto some idea we're going to try and make a game around
2017-08-05T14:45:29 < ohsix> should suck but be fun to try
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2017-08-05T15:02:27 < ohsix> hurf
2017-08-05T15:02:32 < ohsix> tired
2017-08-05T15:02:57 < ohsix> is there a thing like a gcc plugin or whatever that could let you do per-module or per project peephole optimizations
2017-08-05T15:03:15 < ohsix> like if you want to tweak a very specific sequence of instructions without having to patch the compiler
2017-08-05T15:04:26 < ohsix> ah shit, forgot about melt, that kind of does everything
2017-08-05T15:10:54 < ohsix> Rob235: sigrok-cli can do stuff like decode i2c on the terminal, it's a pretty nice way to work
2017-08-05T15:11:09 < Steffanx> It can also do that all using a GUI...
2017-08-05T15:11:11 < ohsix> opentechlab or something has a good video on them
2017-08-05T15:11:28 < ohsix> nah it can't
2017-08-05T15:11:31 < ohsix> pulseview can tho
2017-08-05T15:11:56 < ohsix> it kind of comes into its' own when used with -cli
2017-08-05T15:15:43 < Steffanx> if you want to smart arse i can do that too ohsix. As it's not sigrok-cli that does the decoding it's libsigrokdecode
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2017-08-05T16:03:07 < jpa-> hm, finally bothered making myself a blackmagic probe
2017-08-05T16:03:22 < jpa-> gdb breakpoints are now a lot faster than before, finally makes e.g. conditional breakpoints useful
2017-08-05T16:07:19 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-08-05T16:07:47 < zyp> helps a bit to not have usb latency in the evaluation of the condition
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2017-08-05T16:39:11 < aandrew> ohsix: I love sigrok-cli for exactly that reason
2017-08-05T16:39:44 < aandrew> jpa-: I keep eyeing bmp; sounds like it's not all hype
2017-08-05T16:39:58 < jpa-> zyp: i think blackmagic probe doesn't actually implement evaluating the condition on target side, but the protocol is anyway more efficient when it comes to roundtrip count
2017-08-05T16:40:23 < jpa-> aandrew: and very simple to hack from any stm32f103 board
2017-08-05T16:41:03 < aandrew> jpa-: you mean you turned a random f103 board into bmp?
2017-08-05T16:41:23 < jpa-> https://medium.com/@paramaggarwal/converting-an-stm32f103-board-to-a-black-magic-probe-c013cf2cc38c   yeah, mostly just followed this
2017-08-05T16:41:24 < Steffanx> Dont we all have one or more of those "blue pill" boards?
2017-08-05T16:41:54 < jpa-> though mine didn't have the 128kB flash that bmp stock version needs, so modified it a bit to remove the bootloader and then it fits in 64kB
2017-08-05T16:43:04 < zyp> Steffanx, I don't
2017-08-05T16:43:14 < Steffanx> but you are zyp.
2017-08-05T16:43:28 < jpa-> i didn't before i bought one for this purpose
2017-08-05T16:43:41 < aandrew> nice
2017-08-05T16:43:46 < zyp> I used to use emeb's f3 breakout boards for random stuff
2017-08-05T16:43:56 < zyp> not sure I have any left now though
2017-08-05T16:43:59 < aandrew> I'll have to give it a shot. I like the jlinks but bmp looks good too
2017-08-05T16:44:22 < zyp> what I do like is that you can just flash bmp firmware to any onboard stlink
2017-08-05T16:44:39 < zyp> I've mostly been too lazy to do that, but I did it on the steval-3dp board
2017-08-05T16:44:57 < zyp> which is convenient
2017-08-05T17:00:55 < dongs> Peter_M: haha
2017-08-05T17:01:21 < dongs> < zyp> helps a bit to not have usb latency in the evaluation of the condition
2017-08-05T17:01:28 < dongs> you mean like using cortex hardware breakpoint
2017-08-05T17:02:05 < dongs> jpa-: but 64k chips have 128k flash antway
2017-08-05T17:02:13 < dongs> also why is amp!6 autisming
2017-08-05T17:02:16 < dongs> its way past his bedtime
2017-08-05T17:02:49 < jpa-> dongs: hw breakpoint only matches address, not conditions like "is this other variable 15?"
2017-08-05T17:03:04 < dongs> does it?
2017-08-05T17:03:09 < dongs> k
2017-08-05T17:03:16 < jpa-> dongs: well yeah.. my 64k chip seems to have faulty flash for the rest of the part, because it fails verify
2017-08-05T17:04:01 < englishman> wat, i believe i have done this using proper tools
2017-08-05T17:04:37 < dongs> me too
2017-08-05T17:04:44 < dongs> and didnt notice any slowdown
2017-08-05T17:04:51 < dongs> i think they're complainign aboutsome "gdb" thing
2017-08-05T17:04:56 < dongs> which might have a problem with this
2017-08-05T17:04:59 < dongs> but proper tools dont
2017-08-05T17:05:18 < englishman> never heard of it
2017-08-05T17:05:25 < jpa-> even proper tools will evaluate it on the debugger hardware, which will add some latency but not much
2017-08-05T17:05:44 < jpa-> with openocd and stlink it is like 500ms per every time it checks the condition
2017-08-05T17:05:55 < dongs> opensores
2017-08-05T17:05:59 < dongs> k bedtime
2017-08-05T17:07:05 < aandrew> heh. I'm kind of addicted to segger's ozone debugger at this point
2017-08-05T17:16:08 < Steffanx> <dongs> and didnt notice any slowdown <= because it's always slow? :P
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2017-08-05T19:22:33 < Steffanx> englishman as ARROW expert. What kind of shop is it. They seem to have a lot but also just nothing. And what they have is all adafruit/sparkfun crap
2017-08-05T19:22:39 < Steffanx> (battery holders in this case)
2017-08-05T19:26:30 < Steffanx> I mean, where to place ARROW, in the world of the big guys like digikey or ..
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2017-08-05T19:31:17 < invzim> fucking spiflash piece of !"#!"#
2017-08-05T19:31:53 < invzim> write-enable stays set after erase
2017-08-05T19:32:55 < Steffanx> unset it?
2017-08-05T19:33:05 < Steffanx> aka clear.
2017-08-05T19:34:48 < invzim> yeah, I may have the ic in a weird state
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2017-08-05T19:37:18 < englishman> ARROW is a silly joke, it's only considered a big player because it is easily confused with AVNET when typing it out.
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2017-08-05T19:52:56 < Steffanx> lol englishman.
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2017-08-05T22:54:18 < Steffanx> Good evening
2017-08-05T23:00:59 < englishman> hello steffy
2017-08-05T23:01:05 < englishman> did you see the news about your monarch
2017-08-05T23:02:13 < Steffanx> uhm who?
2017-08-05T23:03:51 < englishman> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/17/dutch-king-willem-alexander-admits-to-working-part-time-as-an-airline-pilot
2017-08-05T23:04:07 < englishman> seems like a way cooler monarch than turdo
2017-08-05T23:05:44 < Steffanx> oh yeah, the bastard.
2017-08-05T23:09:27 < Steffanx> I really do give a damn about that guy mr englishman.
2017-08-05T23:09:38 < englishman> how so
2017-08-05T23:09:43 < englishman> in a good way or a bad way
2017-08-05T23:10:05 < Steffanx> *dont
2017-08-05T23:10:06 < Steffanx> lol
2017-08-05T23:10:09 < englishman> oh.
2017-08-05T23:10:21 < Steffanx> not sure why i didnt write the n't
2017-08-05T23:12:06 < Steffanx> How much do you care about your queen englishman?
2017-08-05T23:12:16 < englishman> i care that she is still alive
2017-08-05T23:12:27 < englishman> and her stupid ugly face is on all our money
2017-08-05T23:12:54 < englishman> and her diamonds and lands are not appropriated for public use instead of belonging to some shitty inbred family for all eternity
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2017-08-05T23:21:43 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-08-06T00:44:55 < Laurenceb_> muh waifu http://imgur.com/As23rQ1
2017-08-06T00:46:12 < Laurenceb_> you will live to see the chans go normalfag http://imgur.com/qL3H90z
2017-08-06T00:54:23 < branjb> kekistan has got to be some kind of discredit psyop
2017-08-06T00:54:28 < branjb> no one is that dumb right
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2017-08-06T02:02:04 < kakimir> back to ascii Laurenceb_
2017-08-06T02:15:09 < Laurenceb_> muh containment board
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2017-08-06T06:30:19 < upgrdman> when making an altidongs component, is there a way to include a user-positionable silkscreen artwork in the component? like i have an smd diode footpront, and i want it to have a silk diode drawing so the poor bastard troubleshhoting knows which end is a and k. but if i put the diode artwork in the silk layer, the user cant move the artwork around based on pcb space available.
2017-08-06T06:31:05 < upgrdman> and i'd rather not make the artwork as a second component, because its ~guaranteed to be forgotten about
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2017-08-06T08:03:45 < emeb_mac> it's critical to spell it "analogue"
2017-08-06T08:04:04 < emeb_mac> this shows that you're a elitist smartypants
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2017-08-06T08:18:17 < englishman> i dono of any layout too tight for 0.15mm of silkscreen to label diode orientation
2017-08-06T09:00:56 < upgrdman> englishman, i dont mean a line on the cathode. but like the whole diode symbol, for clarity. like this  -|>-
2017-08-06T09:01:15 < upgrdman> err -|>|-
2017-08-06T09:02:35 < upgrdman> or like a polarity symbol for a barrel jack footprint, etc.
2017-08-06T09:02:46 < upgrdman> just artwork tired to a footprint, but not locked in place.
2017-08-06T09:03:08 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-06T09:03:19 < englishman> autism
2017-08-06T09:03:40 < upgrdman> well this is the place for austiming
2017-08-06T09:13:41 < englishman> µ₀
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2017-08-06T10:28:29 < Steffanx> Stevey?
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2017-08-06T12:42:01 < upgrdman> you shall not pass  https://i.imgur.com/qPpUbs6.jpg
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2017-08-06T12:48:39 < upgrdman> nice lawn ornaments  http://i.imgur.com/85HAVed.jpg
2017-08-06T12:57:32 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB5tfuJ5UuY those are some familiar looking knobs ;D
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2017-08-06T13:01:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: that's quite a shift
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2017-08-06T13:40:00 < Steffanx> upgrdman and his statues of naked people fetish.. :)
2017-08-06T13:46:17 < Steffanx> i wont judge upgrdman
2017-08-06T13:48:38 < upgrdman> Steffanx, https://gfycat.com/BlackSpeedyAmbushbug
2017-08-06T13:54:42 < Steffanx> what to say upgrdman..
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2017-08-06T14:16:52 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIvtuLOJTtY
2017-08-06T14:16:59 < ohsix> that's an upgrdman link
2017-08-06T14:21:45 < Steffanx> old.
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2017-08-06T15:12:27 < kakimir> anyone know where to buy these but a way smaller http://www.motonet.fi/fi/tuote/386912/Blue-Sea-Systems-kaapelin-kytkentapultti-8mm-musta-Max-48V--250Amp-IP66
2017-08-06T15:12:35 < kakimir> like m4 m5 m6
2017-08-06T15:12:43 < kakimir> for 20amps or so
2017-08-06T15:13:19 < kakimir> some sort of frame for the thru hole bolt that is sealed
2017-08-06T15:13:45 < kakimir> for enclosures for power input
2017-08-06T15:15:11 < kakimir> oh.. and I need the plastic frame anyway because of the enclosure material also
2017-08-06T15:15:17 < kakimir> that is aluminum
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2017-08-06T15:35:33 < hetii> Hi :)
2017-08-06T15:40:59 < hetii> I plan to build universal device that I could use as a programmer for STM32/AVR/LPC/EEPROM/FLASH and generic JTAG interface. So I wonder now how hard it can be to implement programmer/debugger for stm32
2017-08-06T15:41:02 < hetii> ?
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2017-08-06T15:42:01 < hetii> Do you know about some open source project that I could use to build such interface?
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2017-08-06T15:47:16 < englishman> does bmp do flash etc?
2017-08-06T15:47:34 < hetii> bmp ?
2017-08-06T15:47:42 < englishman> black magic probe
2017-08-06T15:49:52 < englishman> tbh sounds like a solution looking for a problem
2017-08-06T15:50:14 < englishman> the reason you want to communicate with a mcu and a flash chip is pretty different, and there are already low cost devices for both
2017-08-06T15:50:57 < Steffanx> Sounds like the versaloon to me hetii
2017-08-06T15:50:58 < englishman> but, maybe you have a reason for this, dono
2017-08-06T15:53:14 < hetii> well, I have already few dongles like st-link v2 and also few for other types of uC but its to much wires on my desk and want to design one device that be able to flash/debug all of my chip
2017-08-06T15:53:37 < hetii> also I could add there some additional functionality like signal generator or frequency meter
2017-08-06T15:54:26 < hetii> but I didn`t build any flasher/debugger for stm32 so have no clue if its hard to do it or not
2017-08-06T15:56:34 < Steffanx> It cant be that hard. Have a look at how Versaloon and/or the black magic probe do it
2017-08-06T15:57:56 < hetii> ok thx will investigate it.
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2017-08-06T16:36:21 < Laurenceb_> Every Romanian is a gypsy, all of them are pedophiles, and you have-to-point-it-all-out.
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2017-08-06T16:41:49 < kakimir> this is stm32 Laurenceb_
2017-08-06T16:42:05 < kakimir> please spam #ascii
2017-08-06T17:12:53 < upgrdman> yay australia   https://i.imgur.com/RisZMPl.jpg
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2017-08-06T17:31:25 < Laurenceb_> so much wtf in one photo
2017-08-06T17:33:27 < invzim> is there a way for eclipse to generate function prototypes?
2017-08-06T17:35:07 < kakimir> interesting question
2017-08-06T17:35:42 < qyx> much laziness
2017-08-06T17:35:49 < kakimir> yes
2017-08-06T17:40:17 < invzim> I do java at work, and then eclipse pretty much does everything for you
2017-08-06T17:40:49 < invzim> refactor is nice, so I would imaging making/updating prototype would be a bit of the same
2017-08-06T17:40:55 < invzim> imagine
2017-08-06T17:42:17 < invzim> quick google says no
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2017-08-06T18:15:42 < kakimir> englishman: do you have forrest fires?
2017-08-06T18:16:11 < branjb> there can't be a fire if everything is frozen
2017-08-06T18:23:21 < kakimir> unless you got mad hot summers
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2017-08-06T18:24:10 < kakimir> coldest continental places use to have really solid summer too
2017-08-06T18:25:19 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/VLTOS
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2017-08-06T18:25:46 < branjb> Laurenceb_: http://imgur.com/gallery/PZWhzCQ
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2017-08-06T18:51:06 < englishman> kakimir: BC is on fire yes, nothing here
2017-08-06T18:52:14 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/0SPLCUc.jpg?1
2017-08-06T18:52:33 < englishman> kakimir: all the CL415 planes live here tho
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2017-08-06T19:16:57 < branjb> cats are disgusting
2017-08-06T19:18:51 < branjb> >puke everywhere
2017-08-06T19:18:58 < branjb> >shits in box
2017-08-06T19:19:03 < branjb> >piss smells like bomb chemicals
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2017-08-06T19:42:46 < Steffanx> branjb, 1.. what 2.. what .. 3 .. what? Our cat goes outside to do that.
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2017-08-06T20:20:18 < englishman> clean the kitty box dude
2017-08-06T20:20:22 < englishman> maybe a lil febreze
2017-08-06T20:24:08 < Steffanx> I wonder what the cat says about the smell when branjb went to the toilet.
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2017-08-06T20:51:50 < Steffanx> i dont see why not.
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2017-08-06T20:52:25 < kakimir> if you put really nice pillow and heating in it
2017-08-06T20:52:36 < kakimir> cat will take some daily nap in it
2017-08-06T20:52:54 < kakimir> and stay in if weather is shitty
2017-08-06T20:53:57 < kakimir> I build a small cabin to side of cowhouse that has inside it a latch door to heated room
2017-08-06T20:54:10 < kakimir> that has pillows
2017-08-06T20:54:28 < kakimir> cats are there in winter
2017-08-06T20:54:42 < kakimir> and the sandbox is mistake
2017-08-06T20:55:16 < kakimir> they will turn the place into public toilet
2017-08-06T20:55:24 < kakimir> smell is intense
2017-08-06T20:56:32 < kakimir> pillow and freezing point is a good update compared to what was before
2017-08-06T20:57:11 < kakimir> cats were kept outside and I don't really know how did they survive winter after winter
2017-08-06T20:58:34 < Steffanx> our cat it outside at night, also in the winter,
2017-08-06T20:58:38 < Steffanx> unless its really freezing cold
2017-08-06T21:01:25 < kakimir> you can see where cat has strugled thru the night because there was this small elliptical melted area next to door or so
2017-08-06T21:01:55 < Steffanx> it has a little house.
2017-08-06T21:01:56 < kakimir> or even a froze covered furball
2017-08-06T21:02:13 < Steffanx> unheated
2017-08-06T21:02:22 < kakimir> showing it's face and middle finger
2017-08-06T21:02:29 < Steffanx> in this country winters are not as bad as in finnishland.
2017-08-06T21:04:43 < kakimir> did you build the cathouse yourself?
2017-08-06T21:10:11 < aandrew> you know, cathouse has an entirely other meaning
2017-08-06T21:10:50 < kakimir> yes
2017-08-06T21:12:39 < kakimir> ;)
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2017-08-06T21:20:41 < Steffanx> No, some old man that lived close to here made it mr kakimir
2017-08-06T21:34:24 < kakimir> cathouse specialist
2017-08-06T21:37:56 < kakimir> is it common to have your own cathouse?
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2017-08-06T21:47:02 < Steffanx> No.
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2017-08-06T22:13:05 < scrts> does someone have a schematic of this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/STM32F103C8T6-Minimum-System-ARM-STM32-F103-Microcontroller-Development-Boad/201987237241?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D191b476aeda84bf6a316251f80c8918d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D282568091795?\ ?
2017-08-06T22:13:42 < scrts> apparently those "blue pill" board have some issues with the resistor on USB D+ ?
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2017-08-06T22:19:00 < Steffanx> First time i see it scrts
2017-08-06T22:19:30 < scrts> I like it because of full jtag
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2017-08-06T22:31:15 < zyp> why is full jtag a point?
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2017-08-06T22:34:10 < scrts> less fly-wires with a full jtag
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2017-08-06T22:34:17 < scrts> plus trace support
2017-08-06T22:35:26 < zyp> oh, you mean just the connector?
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2017-08-06T22:49:34 < Thorn_> full connector != all pins actually connected lol
2017-08-06T22:51:38 < scrts> that's another reason I want the schematic ;-)
2017-08-06T22:52:49 < zyp> the 20-pin connector is kinda too huge, I prefer the 1.27mm 10-pin one
2017-08-06T22:54:24 < Thorn_> it makes sense for dev boards
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2017-08-06T22:55:34 < Thorn> shit 3TB HDD failing after only 34984 hours
2017-08-06T22:56:24 < zyp> which model?
2017-08-06T22:56:49 < Thorn> WD30EZRX
2017-08-06T22:56:52 < zyp> hmm, that's four years
2017-08-06T22:57:12 < zyp> one drive is hardly statistically significant either
2017-08-06T22:58:07 < Thorn> IIRC I had 2 replaced under warranty shortly after I built this RAID (they survived a few months)
2017-08-06T22:58:24 < zyp> hehe, that's worse
2017-08-06T22:58:36 < zyp> but still not as bad as my ST3000DM001s
2017-08-06T22:59:20 < scrts> I'm actually thinking of getting proper board
2017-08-06T22:59:29 < scrts> like discovery board or so
2017-08-06T22:59:51 < zyp> Thorn, not sure if you've been following, but I've had 12 failures in a 16-drive array so far
2017-08-06T23:00:11 < Thorn> discovery boards are cheap and you can get something less OLD than f103
2017-08-06T23:00:15 < zyp> and it's been about four years since I built this array
2017-08-06T23:00:34 < zyp> discovery boards aren't all that awesome either
2017-08-06T23:00:41 < zyp> depending on what you want to use them for
2017-08-06T23:01:28 < zyp> they are nice for experimenting with the different families, but for actual development some sort of devboard is much nicer
2017-08-06T23:01:36 < zyp> like the waveshare ones
2017-08-06T23:01:48 < Thorn> also don't forget nucleo, e.g. they canceled f401 discovery but f401 nucleo is available
2017-08-06T23:02:04 < Thorn> lol 12 failures wtf, I hope it was under warranty
2017-08-06T23:02:05 < Thorn> all of them
2017-08-06T23:02:33 < Steffanx> Talking about broken disks. I got my money back from crucial, after the ssd broke
2017-08-06T23:02:34 < zyp> norwegian consumer protection laws entitle me to the equivalent of a five year warranty
2017-08-06T23:02:37 < zyp> so yes
2017-08-06T23:03:01 < zyp> I just replaced two last month
2017-08-06T23:03:13 < zyp> of the first nine I bought at the same time, only one is still alive
2017-08-06T23:04:12 < zyp> hmm, 11 of the 12 deaths happened on drives aquired in 2013, of which only three are still alive
2017-08-06T23:04:36 < Steffanx> but 5 years.. what kind of life span do they expect for a hdd?
2017-08-06T23:05:18 < zyp> hard drives should last longer than five years
2017-08-06T23:05:32 < Steffanx> Especially the wear on a disk that stops and starts all the time.
2017-08-06T23:05:45 < Steffanx> *of a
2017-08-06T23:05:52 < zyp> mine doesn't
2017-08-06T23:06:10 < Steffanx> i know, but your disks arent really server grade are they?
2017-08-06T23:06:20 < Thorn> btw this failure happened after another drive had been kicked out of the array for an unknown reason (power failure probably)
2017-08-06T23:06:24 < zyp> Steffanx, no
2017-08-06T23:06:28 < Thorn> so I should have lost my RAID5 lol
2017-08-06T23:06:32 < zyp> haha
2017-08-06T23:06:40 < Thorn> but I managed to save it
2017-08-06T23:06:58 < zyp> I'm running a raidz3, so I'm not too concerned about multiple failures
2017-08-06T23:07:33 < Thorn> using mdadm --create --assume-clean
2017-08-06T23:09:13 < Steffanx> raidz3, damn. Wasnt z2 enough? :)
2017-08-06T23:09:14 < zyp> the last drive that died died while I were waiting for the replacement for the drive dying before that
2017-08-06T23:09:49 < zyp> Steffanx, well
2017-08-06T23:10:02 < Steffanx> "because i can" is a good reason too sometimes
2017-08-06T23:10:08 < zyp> originally I thought about building two 8 drive arrays with raidz2
2017-08-06T23:10:21 < Thorn> in 2013 when I built the array WD green was the cheapest and red (intended for NAS) didn't exist iirc
2017-08-06T23:10:25 < Thorn> now I'm getting a red for a replacement
2017-08-06T23:10:41 < Thorn> not server grade but at least not "not recommended for RAID"
2017-08-06T23:10:44 < zyp> 2/8 is more waste than 3/16
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2017-08-06T23:11:28 < Steffanx> i build mine with blue (afaik that is the same as green), after some research i wasnt convinced by RED
2017-08-06T23:12:07 < Steffanx> if i was going to spend real money i would probably go with hgst
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2017-08-06T23:13:14 < zyp> also, I needed to borrow some of the 3TB drive to hold the data from my old drives while reorganizing
2017-08-06T23:13:32 < Thorn> btw I had 2 or 3 1TB wd black, only 1 is still alive
2017-08-06T23:13:41 < zyp> so I first copied everything from my old array onto three of the 3TB drives as plain drives
2017-08-06T23:13:56 < zyp> then built a 16-drive raidz3 fully degraded, i.e. with only 13 drives
2017-08-06T23:14:19 < Steffanx> heh
2017-08-06T23:14:27 < zyp> then I filled it with data, then rebuilt onto the drives I borrowed
2017-08-06T23:15:03 < zyp> I also built it mixed with some 3TB drives and some 1.5TB drives from my old array
2017-08-06T23:15:12 < zyp> so originally it was running as 16x1.5TB
2017-08-06T23:15:24 < zyp> then I replaced the remaining 1.5TB drives later when I had money for more drives :p
2017-08-06T23:15:24 < Thorn> and it has had 1 pending sector for over a year
2017-08-06T23:18:06 < Steffanx> that's still like 13k NOK, zyp?
2017-08-06T23:19:06 < zyp> I didn't go on summer vacation in 2013, so I spent the vacation money on a new server insted :p
2017-08-06T23:21:26 < qyx> fuk this i2c
2017-08-06T23:21:31 < qyx> being stuck all the time
2017-08-06T23:21:46 < qyx> works for ~8 hours and then dies
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2017-08-06T23:54:02 < qyx> Steffanx: greens and reds are similar, blue are somewhat better
2017-08-06T23:54:13 < qyx> although I am not sure if blue is intended to run 24/7
2017-08-06T23:54:26 < qyx> we used green arrays for backups, they died regularly
2017-08-06T23:54:41 < qyx> (at work)
2017-08-06T23:54:49 < qyx> personally I avoid WD
2017-08-06T23:56:23 < qyx> also velociraptors were good for VMs at that time, now there is no need to use them as SSDs behave usually better
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2017-08-07T00:05:02 < Thorn> are there brand that one shouldn't avoid lol
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2017-08-07T00:29:40 < Steffanx> I use mine as backup too, but they spin down and arent used too often
2017-08-07T00:30:02 < Steffanx> I avoid seagate qyx :P
2017-08-07T00:32:04 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/XY5j3 <- here's power on hours for my drives
2017-08-07T00:32:44 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/ASOAh <- and start stop count
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2017-08-07T00:36:30 < zyp> hmm, bit surprised that the difference is so dramatic
2017-08-07T00:37:36 < zyp> two oldest drives have >80 start/stops, the third oldest have ~50 less
2017-08-07T00:37:43 < zyp> there's only a 7 month difference
2017-08-07T00:39:23 < zyp> power cycle count matches start stop count
2017-08-07T00:40:09 < zyp> hmm, I bet the difference was when they got the electrical system renovated where I lived, had a lot fewer power outages after that
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2017-08-07T00:45:13 < Thorn> hdd hours in my server: 17076, 34816, 34907, 34913, 60469 (wd black not in raid), 34898
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2017-08-07T01:44:07 < Thorn> http://www.cypress.com/documentation/application-notes/an44517-design-recommendation-battery-backed-srams-using-cypress
2017-08-07T01:46:43 < Laurenceb> > I unironically want more terror attacks tbh. Sometimes I fantasise my entire family gets blown up so I can show up to those stupid vigils and take the microphone from Andy Burnham and tell the crowd I hope they're next to die, they deserve death for being fucking normies.
2017-08-07T01:47:33 < Laurenceb>  /r9k/ intensifies
2017-08-07T01:47:41 < tpw_rules> R2COM: microchip has sram/eeprom hybrids
2017-08-07T01:47:53 < tpw_rules> they're i2c sram but they have an external cap to write the ram to eeprom on power loss
2017-08-07T01:48:20 < tpw_rules> so they're truly infinite writes, just a finite number of power cycles
2017-08-07T01:48:30 < tpw_rules> http://www.microchip.com/design-centers/memory/serial-eeram
2017-08-07T01:50:44 < tpw_rules> idk what those cost in relation to eeprom
2017-08-07T01:50:57 < tpw_rules> they're not any new tech, but they are only from microchip and require that extra cap
2017-08-07T01:55:06 < tpw_rules> do they make dfn pics
2017-08-07T01:55:14 < tpw_rules> just make an eeram yourself
2017-08-07T01:57:44 < tpw_rules> like just write some pic code to be an i2c slave and then write ram to internal ee when voltage drops
2017-08-07T01:59:11 < aandrew> hm
2017-08-07T01:59:34 < aandrew> I wonder if I can get a (simple) SDR SDRAM controller and a MIPI CSI rx to fit into a small MachXO3
2017-08-07T01:59:55 < tpw_rules> or whatever micro you like in a dfn package
2017-08-07T02:06:44 < aandrew> R2COM: sounds like something FRAM is design to help you with
2017-08-07T02:07:23 < aandrew> oh didn't see your FRAM cost comment
2017-08-07T02:08:00 < aandrew> what's wrong with supercap and going to ubersleep if power is lost?
2017-08-07T02:08:04 < aandrew> or do you need to remember forever?
2017-08-07T02:08:25 < aandrew> and in that case, use regular EEPROM and tiny MCU with supercap
2017-08-07T02:08:37 < aandrew> haha
2017-08-07T02:08:40 < aandrew> and that's exactly what tpw said
2017-08-07T02:08:41 < aandrew> fuck
2017-08-07T02:08:47 < aandrew> I'm just gonna go back to my shitty nordic code
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2017-08-07T03:39:29 < ohsix> fraaaaaaaaaam
2017-08-07T03:40:11 < ohsix> one of the example parts pal was using in class was one of those sram -> eeprom w/ cap backup things from mchp
2017-08-07T03:40:29 < ohsix> they're neat
2017-08-07T03:40:40 < ohsix> also the pin to make it do it manually is called hardware store
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2017-08-07T07:55:23 < dongs> < R2COM> and start writing to eeprom before turnopff
2017-08-07T07:55:25 < dongs> thats not gonna work
2017-08-07T07:55:51 < dongs> what should I buy from mouser
2017-08-07T07:55:55 < dongs> I need $10 of parts urgently
2017-08-07T07:56:00 < dongs> and i dont wanna pay $50 for shipping
2017-08-07T07:57:45 < dongs> B-L475E-IOT01A1 lol IdiOT discovery
2017-08-07T08:02:59 < dongs> STM32F723E-DISCO nice giveawway
2017-08-07T08:04:38 < dongs> haha, success. free shipping.
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2017-08-07T08:26:04 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGlyfJBVoAEasjI.jpg:large
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2017-08-07T08:52:16 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/jimhaseloff/status/894254291321597952
2017-08-07T08:52:45 < ohsix> dlp projector 'cape' that goes on the bbb
2017-08-07T08:52:49 < ohsix> 99$
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2017-08-07T09:52:39 < ohsix> woah
2017-08-07T09:52:52 < ohsix> youtube animates shit on mouseover now
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2017-08-07T10:22:28 < upgrdman> one of my coworked bought popsicles for all of us. very nice. looks like chocolate, but tastes weird and has nuggets. google translate... large red bean popsicles. lolwut, TIL beans are a desert
2017-08-07T10:22:36 < upgrdman> not bad, just different
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2017-08-07T10:43:45 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/E4xobiY
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2017-08-07T10:54:05 < zyp> R2COM, it'll work as long as you have enough capacitors to keep you alive until you finish the write
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2017-08-07T11:44:45 < fest> lol at oshix dlp link
2017-08-07T11:44:48 < fest> nHD resolution
2017-08-07T11:44:56 < fest> 640x360
2017-08-07T11:45:08 < fest> haha, marketing weasels at their best
2017-08-07T11:45:10 < dongs> fest, wehn in doubt, type /ignore ohsix
2017-08-07T11:45:29 < fest> dongs: no, it's a solid link this time
2017-08-07T11:45:44 < fest> at least the last one
2017-08-07T11:45:57 < dongs> i'll pass knowing it
2017-08-07T11:46:03 < dongs> i have no interest in DLP
2017-08-07T11:46:07 < dongs> or nHD resolution
2017-08-07T11:46:22 < dongs> 640x360 is like ghetto-CIF
2017-08-07T11:46:33 < dongs> but nHD sounds way better i guess.
2017-08-07T11:47:28 < dongs> wait no CIF is 320x, no idea what the shit regular 720x480i shit is called
2017-08-07T11:47:32 < dongs> going back to not giving a fuck
2017-08-07T11:47:38 < fest> I built a shitty stereolitography printer from a DLP projector once
2017-08-07T11:47:45 < dongs> which is why ohsix is on ignore =- nothing he pastes is ever relevant or useful, just nonstop autism
2017-08-07T11:50:30 < dongs> fest, waht did you print wiht it
2017-08-07T11:50:33 < dongs> you mean resin printer or whateveR?
2017-08-07T11:52:03 < fest> just some useless stuff, as always
2017-08-07T11:52:15 < fest> yeah, resin printer
2017-08-07T11:52:40 < fest> something like form1 but with regular (not even UV) DLP projector instead of laser + galvos
2017-08-07T11:55:50 < fest> but that project was put into the useless bin- the problems seemed a lot like FDM problems- you want good adhesion between base and first layer, but you also want to remove the part after print
2017-08-07T11:56:27 < dongs> heh
2017-08-07T11:56:28 < fest> the resin stuff is quite messy, and frankly, the smallest feature size is not that much smaller than FDM
2017-08-07T11:56:45 < fest> at least if you want consistent results
2017-08-07T11:57:08 < dongs> my pal dickstarted form1
2017-08-07T11:57:10 < dongs> it was utter shit
2017-08-07T11:57:15 < dongs> he spent months fucking with it
2017-08-07T11:57:20 < dongs> they offered him v2
2017-08-07T11:57:24 < dongs> and it was not much better
2017-08-07T11:57:29 < zyp> one of my friends bought a wanhao d7 recently
2017-08-07T11:57:32 < dongs> very inconsistent prints, like 90% failure
2017-08-07T11:57:45 < fest> yeah, we bought form1 for the hackerspace too
2017-08-07T11:57:54 < fest> not too impressed with it either
2017-08-07T11:58:23 < fest> zyp: cool, didn't know they cloned it already
2017-08-07T11:58:32 < zyp> cloned what?
2017-08-07T11:58:39 < fest> eh, form1?
2017-08-07T11:58:56 < zyp> it's not a clone, d7 uses LCD
2017-08-07T11:58:56 < dongs> haha wanhao looks cheap
2017-08-07T11:59:10 < zyp> dongs, that's the point, as far as I can tell
2017-08-07T12:00:38 < fest> zyp: oh, you're right
2017-08-07T12:00:47 < fest> looks like bring your own projector though?
2017-08-07T12:01:37 < zyp> I haven't looked too closely at the details, but afaik it's using UV leds through a LCD panel, no projector involved
2017-08-07T12:02:00 < zyp> also the LCD panel is apparently a consumable because it's being degraded by the UV
2017-08-07T12:03:01 < fest> interesting, I'd have thought LCD absorbs too much UV
2017-08-07T12:03:48 < dongs> yeha lots of peopel are buying my jewpadmini adapter for 3d printer shit apparently
2017-08-07T12:04:49 < zyp> dongs, speaking of that, do you know of any ARM shit with DP output?
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2017-08-07T12:12:39 < zyp> a google search only turned up odroid-xu3 which is apparently discontinued
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2017-08-07T12:14:34 < dongs> zyp, lots?
2017-08-07T12:14:45 < dongs> zyp, pretty much every modern mobile shit does edP
2017-08-07T12:14:59 < zyp> yeah, but actual boards
2017-08-07T12:15:10 < dongs> ya im looking someone emailed me jsut recently
2017-08-07T12:15:11 < dongs> asking about it
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2017-08-07T12:15:23 < dongs> oh, no he had somethin with hdmi2.0 and was asking about hdmidp board
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2017-08-07T12:38:55 < szwetsloot> Hello everyone.
2017-08-07T12:39:05 < szwetsloot> Is this the channel to ask about ATSAM4S chips as well?
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2017-08-07T12:44:38 < jpa-> zyp: http://www.cubietech.com/product-detail/cubieboard5/
2017-08-07T12:44:42 < szwetsloot> I was here a while ago with an ATSAM4N16C chip. Never got that one to work so instead I used the design from http://kaktuscircuits.blogspot.nl/2015/03/sam4s-development-board.html
2017-08-07T12:44:42 < upgrdman> sure but the quality of answers will be... questionable
2017-08-07T12:45:04 < szwetsloot> However, I got the exact same problem as back then that the programmer cannot detect the chip
2017-08-07T12:45:24 < szwetsloot> So I am looking for help in debugging.
2017-08-07T12:45:37 < szwetsloot> My chip looks exactly the same as the board in the picture (No rotated components)
2017-08-07T12:45:44 < szwetsloot> The voltages from VDDCORE reads 1.2V which is correct
2017-08-07T12:45:59 < szwetsloot> All pins from the JTAG are connected
2017-08-07T12:46:16 < szwetsloot> The LED on the ATMEL ICE turns on indicating that the power is correct
2017-08-07T12:47:10 < szwetsloot> But when I try to read the device signature I get this:http://imgur.com/a/ewSPI
2017-08-07T12:47:34 < upgrdman> is allwinner a decent choice these days?
2017-08-07T12:47:42 < jpa-> zyp: also a few boards like RK3288 have eDP which seems like it is just a connector/adapter away from DP
2017-08-07T12:47:44 < upgrdman> datasheets and drivers avail?
2017-08-07T12:48:13 < zyp> jpa-, well, the panel I want to feed it to was originally eDP so
2017-08-07T12:48:31 < szwetsloot> Let me check drivers
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2017-08-07T12:48:58 < szwetsloot> Yeah, devicez manager shows the atmel ice and drivers are up to date
2017-08-07T12:49:01 < szwetsloot> datasheet is here:
2017-08-07T12:49:09 < szwetsloot> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jb8vev2r465kgdo/Atmel-11100-32-bit%20Cortex-M4-Microcontroller-SAM4S_Datasheet.pdf?dl=0
2017-08-07T12:52:38 < zyp> szwetsloot, do you have the jtag cable plugged in the right way?
2017-08-07T12:54:00 < szwetsloot> Yeah. The board had a 20pin connector. I used this one to the 10pin 50mil to wires: https://www.adafruit.com/product/2743
2017-08-07T12:54:26 < szwetsloot> That one has this pinout: (left one)
2017-08-07T12:54:33 < szwetsloot> https://i1.wp.com/www.keil.com/support/man/docs/ulink2/ulink2_connector_20_16_14_10pin.png
2017-08-07T12:54:53 < szwetsloot> The board has the pinout on the right of the picture. I connected accordingl
2017-08-07T12:54:57 < zyp> can you provide photos of your setup?
2017-08-07T12:55:34 < szwetsloot> Sure
2017-08-07T12:57:11 < dongs> why is  your target voltage 2.7V
2017-08-07T12:57:17 < dongs> atmel ICE is just rebranded jlink isnt it?
2017-08-07T12:58:00 < Steffanx> No
2017-08-07T12:58:03 < dongs>  szwetsloot> Yeah. The board had a 20pin connector. I used this one to the 10pin 50mil to wires:
2017-08-07T12:58:03 < zyp> dongs, was wondering that as well, doesn't sound sane
2017-08-07T12:58:06 < dongs>                     https://www.adafruit.com/product/2743
2017-08-07T12:58:09 < dongs> what the FUCK IS THIS
2017-08-07T12:58:12 < dongs> why does this even exist fucking aidsfruit
2017-08-07T12:58:15 < zyp> :D
2017-08-07T12:58:18 < szwetsloot> haha
2017-08-07T12:58:22 < dongs> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2017-08-07T12:58:25 < dongs> this is what you need
2017-08-07T12:58:36 < dongs> (or same shit on digikey etc
2017-08-07T12:58:40 < szwetsloot> Sorry images taking a bit of time
2017-08-07T12:58:57 < szwetsloot> That does look like it's a bit easier.
2017-08-07T12:58:59 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/olimex-ltd/ARM-JTAG-20-10/1188-1016-ND/3471401
2017-08-07T12:59:03 < szwetsloot> Let me see if a store in the neighbourhood has it
2017-08-07T12:59:04 < dongs> wow 2600 in stock at digikey
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2017-08-07T12:59:52 < szwetsloot> This this one is the same right?
2017-08-07T12:59:52 < szwetsloot> http://nl.farnell.com/olimex/arm-jtag-20-10/adptr-jtag-0-1-20pin-10pin-0-05/dp/2144328
2017-08-07T13:00:04 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-07T13:00:09 < dongs> says olimex etc, looks same
2017-08-07T13:00:19 < dongs> whats the final pinout oin  the dev board, the fine pitch thing?
2017-08-07T13:00:21 < dongs> 2x10
2017-08-07T13:00:25 < dongs> er 2x5
2017-08-07T13:00:39 < szwetsloot> I made a bunch of pictures and zipped them here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j387qoi3sw4pe4t/tmp_images.zip?dl=0
2017-08-07T13:00:49 < dongs> fuck man you ever heard ofi mfur
2017-08-07T13:00:51 < dongs> imgur
2017-08-07T13:00:58 < szwetsloot> Fair enough
2017-08-07T13:01:14 < dongs> hmm
2017-08-07T13:01:15 < dongs> sam avr eh
2017-08-07T13:01:19 < dongs> doenst look ilke jlink
2017-08-07T13:01:25 < szwetsloot> http://imgur.com/a/TAr16
2017-08-07T13:01:45 < zyp> love the wire on the NC pin
2017-08-07T13:02:02 < szwetsloot> That is TDI pin
2017-08-07T13:02:03 < zyp> or is that TDI?
2017-08-07T13:02:05 < zyp> haha
2017-08-07T13:02:09 < zyp> ok
2017-08-07T13:02:16 < dongs> you dont need full jtag on any sam
2017-08-07T13:02:16 < szwetsloot> The names on the PCB are from SWD instead of JTAG
2017-08-07T13:02:18 < dongs> SWD only works fine
2017-08-07T13:02:26 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2129383335/i-extruder-smart-solder-paste-and-fluids-dispenser
2017-08-07T13:02:28 < dongs> sam3, sam4 etc
2017-08-07T13:02:31 < zyp> assuming the adapter talks SWD and not JTAG
2017-08-07T13:02:50 < szwetsloot> They are pretty much the same connections, just different protocol
2017-08-07T13:02:51 < dongs> ah yeah good point.. you'd think a $300 thing from fagotmel would support swd
2017-08-07T13:03:05 < szwetsloot> It actually does ;p
2017-08-07T13:03:05 < zyp> PAPAPAPAPAPAPA
2017-08-07T13:03:19 < dongs> so jsut use that only
2017-08-07T13:03:25 < dongs> if you can ignore vtarget
2017-08-07T13:03:28 < dongs> all you need is clk, io and gnd
2017-08-07T13:03:40 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2017-08-07T13:03:41 < upgrdman> for non-nda, cortexA with decent docs and support, are the only options ti and atmel?
2017-08-07T13:03:45 < dongs> you hooked up your ghetto shit using this pdf right?
2017-08-07T13:03:52 < szwetsloot> Same issue though
2017-08-07T13:03:53 < szwetsloot> http://imgur.com/a/5aub7
2017-08-07T13:04:00 < upgrdman> oh and nxp
2017-08-07T13:04:22 < szwetsloot> Let me check if they are the same...
2017-08-07T13:04:30 < dongs> check that pdf for pinout
2017-08-07T13:04:39 < zyp> upgrdman, well, freescale is nxp, so that sounds about right
2017-08-07T13:04:56 < dongs> Ti is that sitara shit right?
2017-08-07T13:05:01 < zyp> yeah
2017-08-07T13:05:02 < dongs> beagleoboner etc
2017-08-07T13:05:04 < upgrdman> dongs ya
2017-08-07T13:05:14 < szwetsloot> Yeah, looks exactly the same
2017-08-07T13:05:20 < upgrdman> bbb uses ti weakest cortexa chip
2017-08-07T13:05:24 < Steffanx> Dongs its "only" about $120
2017-08-07T13:05:31 < dongs> sam-ice?
2017-08-07T13:05:36 < Steffanx> Atmel ice
2017-08-07T13:05:38 < dongs> well, t hats more than what a jlink costs
2017-08-07T13:05:41 < zyp> upgrdman, I'm still tempted to dick up an allwinner module
2017-08-07T13:05:56 < dongs> zyp, ive got reference layouts when you do
2017-08-07T13:05:59 < dongs> 4L china 2 go
2017-08-07T13:06:06 < zyp> I know
2017-08-07T13:06:33 < szwetsloot> I'll check whats up with the2.8V
2017-08-07T13:06:38 < zyp> I'm just not too impressed with the orangepi allwinner shit I bought
2017-08-07T13:06:50 < upgrdman> zyp, does allwinner provides docs and ref design?
2017-08-07T13:06:52 < zyp> but I think that's mostly because the wifi chip on it is utter shit
2017-08-07T13:06:54 < Steffanx> More than jlink? Afaik jlink doesnt go for less that that. Edu maybe, but that is a volation of their term
2017-08-07T13:07:00 < Steffanx> S
2017-08-07T13:07:01 < upgrdman> and where can you buy aw chips
2017-08-07T13:07:16 < zyp> upgrdman, dongs says he got ref designs
2017-08-07T13:07:27 < dongs> anywhere in china
2017-08-07T13:07:29 < dongs> ig euss
2017-08-07T13:07:40 < dongs> all you need from allwhiner is the SoC itself and that powermanagenet chip
2017-08-07T13:07:41 < zyp> yeah, I figure trick is just to have contacts in china
2017-08-07T13:07:44 < dongs> AXP206 o whatever
2017-08-07T13:08:03 < szwetsloot> There must be a pin swapped somewhere. All the non VCC pins show 2.8V.
2017-08-07T13:08:18 < szwetsloot> I'll see if I can open up the ICE and connect them by checking wires...
2017-08-07T13:08:32 < dongs> are you sure your 2x5 conncetor isnt backwards
2017-08-07T13:08:36 < dongs> are both ends keyed?
2017-08-07T13:08:43 < dongs> on the ice side and on aidsfruit side
2017-08-07T13:08:53 < dongs> and: are you sure youre connected to the ARM end of it
2017-08-07T13:08:55 < dongs> and not retarduino
2017-08-07T13:09:26 < zyp> I figure I'll eventually buy a couple of other orangepi models, figure out which of the wifi chips they come with are actually usable, then steal that
2017-08-07T13:09:43 < dongs> umn does it even matter?
2017-08-07T13:09:43 < szwetsloot> dongs: Yeah, both sides are keyed
2017-08-07T13:09:49 < upgrdman> dongs, re: ti, this sitara is pretty nice looking, way more powerful than bbb    http://www.ti.com/product/AM5728
2017-08-07T13:09:52 < dongs> zyp, cant you juse literally any USB wifi shit
2017-08-07T13:09:59 < upgrdman> but its also white people prices
2017-08-07T13:10:23 < dongs> yeah it also has some shitty DSP stuff
2017-08-07T13:10:26 < dongs> thats why its $
2017-08-07T13:10:55 < zyp> dongs, maybe, but usb wifi is huge compared to some onboard module shit
2017-08-07T13:11:44 < upgrdman> dongs, are those dsps just extra op codes or like whole other cpus in there?
2017-08-07T13:11:54 < dongs> sounds like separate cores, no idea tho
2017-08-07T13:13:06 < zyp> http://www.orangepi.org/OrangePiZeroPlus2/ <- this shit has AP6212 which apparently contains some BCM wifi chip, which I believe are supported by linux mainline nowadays
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2017-08-07T13:16:35 < dongs> that allwhiner isnt using reference layout
2017-08-07T13:16:39 < dongs> they actually did some work on it themselves
2017-08-07T13:16:40 < dongs> heh
2017-08-07T13:17:01 < dongs> anyway uhm szwetsloot , no idea whats up with your shit. 2.7V target sounds dodgy tho
2017-08-07T13:17:10 < dongs> check aidsfruit page for errata?
2017-08-07T13:17:28 < dongs> like OMG TEH CONNECTOR WAS SOLDERED BACKWARDS ON ALL THE UNITS, WE'RE VERY SORWWRY
2017-08-07T13:17:55 < szwetsloot> dongs: Yeah, almost seems that way....
2017-08-07T13:18:09 < szwetsloot> dongs: I opened up the programmer and am now checking wires one by one
2017-08-07T13:18:36 < szwetsloot> Guess what? >.<
2017-08-07T13:18:46 < dongs> you let the smoke out?!
2017-08-07T13:18:51 < szwetsloot> Nope.
2017-08-07T13:18:56 < szwetsloot> It's soldered on backwards!
2017-08-07T13:19:07 < dongs> on aidsfruit board?
2017-08-07T13:19:12 < szwetsloot> Seems that way
2017-08-07T13:19:15 < dongs> lol'd
2017-08-07T13:19:24 < szwetsloot> If I connect the opposite wire I do get the correct 3.3V
2017-08-07T13:19:44 < dongs> you can thanke me for that arm-jtag-20-10 link later.
2017-08-07T13:19:55 < szwetsloot> Yeah, It's gonna be here tomorrow
2017-08-07T13:20:05 < szwetsloot> For now I'm gonna connect wires
2017-08-07T13:20:08 < szwetsloot> Thanks a lot!
2017-08-07T13:32:14 < Steffanx> You can send dongs some stroopwafels
2017-08-07T13:32:46 < Steffanx> He likes them, but he doesnt know that yet
2017-08-07T13:32:48 < szwetsloot> Hey Steffanx
2017-08-07T13:32:50 < szwetsloot> Will do ;)
2017-08-07T13:34:41 < szwetsloot> Guess what
2017-08-07T13:34:45 < szwetsloot> I switched all cables around
2017-08-07T13:34:49 < szwetsloot> And it works!!!!
2017-08-07T13:35:03 < szwetsloot> I'm not sure if I should be happy or go to Adafruit headquarters and kick them
2017-08-07T13:35:05 < szwetsloot> Maybe both?
2017-08-07T13:35:50 < fest> debugging 101: verify all your assumptions
2017-08-07T13:36:24 < szwetsloot> Assumption #1 - connections of items bought are correct. Check #1 - False
2017-08-07T13:36:57 < fest> it sounds more like that some pinout was shown from back side or whatever
2017-08-07T13:37:06 < szwetsloot> No, it was turned 180 degrees
2017-08-07T13:37:38 < szwetsloot> So from the picture on adafruit: https://www.adafruit.com/product/2743
2017-08-07T13:37:45 < szwetsloot> SWIO was GND and visa versa
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2017-08-07T13:40:01 < fest> the pinout in the pic does seem to match arm connector pinout though
2017-08-07T13:41:18 < fest> maybe someone has crimped the ribbon cable incorrectly
2017-08-07T13:43:05 < szwetsloot> Yeah possible
2017-08-07T13:43:15 < szwetsloot> But the ribbon cable is from adafruit as well, so I'm going to continue blaming them
2017-08-07T13:44:06 < szwetsloot> Well I'm off programming
2017-08-07T13:44:11 < szwetsloot> See you!
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2017-08-07T14:11:19 < upgrdman> can anyone access   cgartwork.com ?
2017-08-07T14:12:31 < Thorn> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/cgartwork.com
2017-08-07T14:12:52 < upgrdman> hmm
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2017-08-07T14:23:42 < dongs> its up but im not clicking
2017-08-07T14:23:48 < dongs> cuz its probabbly faggot thorn cat pics
2017-08-07T14:26:21 < upgrdman> ya it works now
2017-08-07T14:26:31 < upgrdman> and dont worry, that .com just says hi
2017-08-07T14:26:41 < upgrdman> lol at these sparks   https://i.imgur.com/PZWhzCQ.gifv
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2017-08-07T14:34:55 < dongs> bitch is dead inside
2017-08-07T14:34:57 < dongs> thats why
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2017-08-07T14:49:51 < dongs> uh oh hes back
2017-08-07T14:49:57 < dongs> avr is misbehaving again
2017-08-07T14:49:59 < szwetsloot> (-_- )
2017-08-07T14:50:04 < szwetsloot> Nope
2017-08-07T14:50:07 < szwetsloot> Atmel studio is
2017-08-07T14:50:14 < dongs> upgrade to keil
2017-08-07T14:50:42 < szwetsloot> Do they support M4?
2017-08-07T14:50:52 < dongs> keil? of fucking course?
2017-08-07T14:51:05 < dongs> they supported M4 way before gcc even knew how to compile it
2017-08-07T14:51:13 < szwetsloot> I don't know them, just checking
2017-08-07T14:51:15 < dongs> while RMS was jerking around with newlib/multilib
2017-08-07T14:51:23 < szwetsloot> And can I use my ICE with them?
2017-08-07T14:52:25 < dongs> oh good question. looks like no
2017-08-07T14:52:38 < szwetsloot> Ah..
2017-08-07T14:57:31 < dongs> https://www.facebook.com/Trustmeiamamechanicalengineer/videos/886977584777179/ retweeting
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2017-08-07T15:25:54 < dongs> do brwosers still ahev issues with >4gb upload sizes
2017-08-07T15:26:03 < dongs> i wanna throw like 5gb 4K thing on jewtube
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2017-08-07T16:14:22 < dongs> oh well it ended up being 3.4gigs after encode
2017-08-07T16:22:18 < zyp> and then youtube will get that and transcode to a couple hundred megs or something
2017-08-07T16:23:06 < dongs> yeah i dont care at that point
2017-08-07T16:23:09 < dongs> not even my video
2017-08-07T16:23:16 < upgrdman> dongs, no probs with big files. ive uploaded like 17GB files to youtube wjen i acidentally set my encode settings too high
2017-08-07T16:23:19 < dongs> my job ends once uploading: 60% reaches 100
2017-08-07T16:23:22 < dongs> ok cool
2017-08-07T16:23:30 < dongs> i remember loong time ago jewtube asked you to download some java app
2017-08-07T16:23:34 < dongs> to upload >4gb f iles
2017-08-07T16:23:37 < dongs> and allow resume or someshit
2017-08-07T16:23:41 < dongs> i donno if thats still legit
2017-08-07T16:23:56 < upgrdman> ive never heard of or needed thar
2017-08-07T16:24:02 < dongs> yeah this was LONG time ago
2017-08-07T16:24:08 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-07T16:26:32 < dongs> but lol @ 17gbv upoad
2017-08-07T16:26:41 < dongs> did you burn through your american internet monthly cap
2017-08-07T16:27:02 < zyp> and how long time did that take?
2017-08-07T16:27:05 < dongs> (yea
2017-08-07T16:27:18 < dongs> this thing is going at an average 3-6meg/sec
2017-08-07T16:28:08 < upgrdman> lol http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/05/business/la-fi-mo-target-manatee-20130405
2017-08-07T16:28:27 < upgrdman> ya it was an overnight upload eiy
2017-08-07T16:28:48 < upgrdman> overnight upload either way so i didnt bother to reencode
2017-08-07T16:28:54 < upgrdman> and i have no caps
2017-08-07T16:28:57 < zyp> hmm, I wonder when I'll hear back from the new ISP that were adding coverage in my area
2017-08-07T16:29:01 < upgrdman> just super slow uplink
2017-08-07T16:29:21 < dongs> bah latvian shit hasnt landed in jp yet
2017-08-07T16:30:00 < zyp> dongs, by the way, how fast internet are you getting in jp nowadays?
2017-08-07T16:30:37 < dongs> i donno, they got rid of the shitty stuff that was oversold, at least for lan usages, i get 100/100 between my place and office
2017-08-07T16:30:47 < dongs> office manages around 300/300 up/down to random jp test sites
2017-08-07T16:31:23 < dongs> around 50meg/sec or so to msdn/google drive/steam/amazon hosted stuff
2017-08-07T16:31:33 < zyp> I wonder how oversold that 500/500 shit I signed up for will be
2017-08-07T16:31:55 < zyp> I guess it depends whether it's GPON or not
2017-08-07T16:31:59 < dongs> japs had a moment where tehy had this ipv4-tunneled-over-ipv6 trash that they oversold
2017-08-07T16:32:13 < dongs> and tunneling was done by some retarded lunix box that the would stick on your premises
2017-08-07T16:32:20 < dongs> that was nowhere near fast to process 100s of megabits
2017-08-07T16:32:42 < dongs> so itwas slow cuz they sold teh shit to ever idiot in the area AND the box was slow
2017-08-07T16:32:53 < zyp> GPON is like 2.5G/1.25G per fiber with the ability to split each fiber to 128 subscribers or some shit like that
2017-08-07T16:32:55 < dongs> but they got rid of that plan few years ago and its ok now
2017-08-07T16:33:02 < dongs> japs use someshit that splits to 32
2017-08-07T16:33:09 < dongs> ge-pon? or someshit i donno
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2017-08-07T16:34:23 < dongs> jap upload is kinda weird
2017-08-07T16:34:24 < zyp> IIRC EPON is like half of GPON
2017-08-07T16:34:33 < dongs> its same 1:32 split but its sorta like tdma
2017-08-07T16:34:45 < dongs> only one onu can transmit at a time
2017-08-07T16:34:55 < zyp> that's the point of *PON
2017-08-07T16:35:06 < dongs> OLT schedules wich one can talk
2017-08-07T16:35:10 < zyp> yes
2017-08-07T16:35:10 < dongs> oic, didnt know
2017-08-07T16:35:21 < dongs> why is download doesnt matter?
2017-08-07T16:35:33 < dongs> beacuse all ONUs receive same shit just filter the stuff for you only?
2017-08-07T16:35:40 < dongs> after passive split
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2017-08-07T16:36:13 < zyp> yes, shit's encrypted so you can only do anything with the shit meant for you
2017-08-07T16:36:44 < dongs> how do they deal with crypto at ~gbps speeds?
2017-08-07T16:36:45 < zyp> I believe docsis works similarly on catv networks
2017-08-07T16:36:52 < dongs> what if I wana sniff what porn next door jap is looking at
2017-08-07T16:37:43 < zyp> eh, crypto doesn't have to be slow
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2017-08-07T16:38:05 < Laurenceb> reeee
2017-08-07T16:38:20  * Laurenceb started new jerb
2017-08-07T16:38:25 < Laurenceb> shit sucks man
2017-08-07T16:38:42 < dongs> did you get fired from the lunix dataloggers group
2017-08-07T16:38:47 < zyp> you can think of symmetric crypto as just xoring data with a stream from a PRNG
2017-08-07T16:38:50 < zyp> that shit is fast
2017-08-07T16:39:02 < dongs> zyp, oh hm right.
2017-08-07T16:39:03 < Laurenceb> dongs: they ran out of money
2017-08-07T16:39:18 < Laurenceb> now I'm stuck in basement lair with a Russian grrrl
2017-08-07T16:39:28 < Laurenceb> cant even visit the chans
2017-08-07T16:39:50 < Laurenceb> she likes Putin so thats cool
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2017-08-07T16:40:59 < Laurenceb> have to work out if 8chan would offend her
2017-08-07T16:41:18 < dongs> set dickbutt.png as desktop wallpaper
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2017-08-07T16:43:12 < Laurenceb> she talks for hours and hours about random shit, I have a sore throat already
2017-08-07T16:43:24 < Laurenceb> yes... yes... okay... i see... yes
2017-08-07T16:43:26 < englishman> dongs zyp, that latvian stuff seems too good for the price
2017-08-07T16:43:37 < englishman> like that switch you linked the other day is the same price that i paid for this cisco switch used
2017-08-07T16:43:57 < Laurenceb> why can't I have a basement lair to myself
2017-08-07T16:44:08 < englishman> why is UBNT over a billion dollars and this stuff is completely unheard of
2017-08-07T16:44:12 < Thorn> Laurenceb is back to warning red 👍
2017-08-07T16:44:17 < zyp> englishman, well, it doesn't say cisco
2017-08-07T16:44:31 < englishman> thats a feature in some peoples eyes
2017-08-07T16:44:47 < englishman> also i bet it doesnt require IE6 to use the web interface
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2017-08-07T16:45:00 < zyp> no
2017-08-07T16:45:13 < zyp> that said, mikrotik webui is probably the least impressive part of it
2017-08-07T16:45:52 < Laurenceb> I know, I'll get a Putin calendar for our wall
2017-08-07T16:46:13 < Laurenceb> atm its green stained concrete blocks this place is that shit
2017-08-07T16:48:56 < dongs> what? no way
2017-08-07T16:48:58 < dongs> webui is fuckign awesome
2017-08-07T16:49:14 < Laurenceb> hash
2017-08-07T16:49:23 < dongs> at least on their wireless shit, i think this switch is running swos or someshit, some cutdown lunix but still it should be web manageable usably enough
2017-08-07T16:51:20 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/0SPLCUc.jpg?1
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2017-08-07T16:51:46 < englishman> thinking of getting their router/switch/some outdoor AP stuff to increase wifi coverage around the property
2017-08-07T16:52:32 < englishman> so i can delete this asus soho router
2017-08-07T16:52:46 < fest> englishman: I hear that UBNT APs and Mikrotik routers are a good combo
2017-08-07T16:52:48 < dongs> yeah. definitely recommended
2017-08-07T16:53:02 < dongs> donno about "routing" part but AP stuff is fucking solid
2017-08-07T16:53:16 < englishman> how is it vs ubnt
2017-08-07T16:53:25 < englishman> because just looking at ubnt PCBtennas you can tell they are pro
2017-08-07T16:53:48 < fest> I have Mikrotik hAP AC at home- the 5G band sometimes disappears
2017-08-07T16:53:53 < dongs> antenna on PCB? literally aids
2017-08-07T16:54:07 < dongs> fest, i have mikrodik PtP stuff thats been running for years without a single drop
2017-08-07T16:54:48 < dongs> and i setup a 5ghz PtMP 2 months ago and havent touched it since setup day and its running perfectly
2017-08-07T16:54:59 < englishman> example https://prd-www-cdn.ubnt.com/media/images/product-features/unifi-ap-ac-lr-features-super-antenna-2x.jpg
2017-08-07T16:55:05 < fest> dongs: that's just something I've heard from local ISP in my hometown- they switched to ubnt's ptp for some reason
2017-08-07T16:55:16 < dongs> englishman: dont get stuff with internal antennas
2017-08-07T16:55:29 < dongs> you cant get any proper mimo etc with that shit
2017-08-07T16:55:56 < dongs> i had one of those round fucking APs from some chink vendor, it was garbage
2017-08-07T16:56:18 < zyp> dongs, my only datapoint is the CRS210
2017-08-07T16:56:32 < dongs> my CRS has been running for as long as yours as well
2017-08-07T16:56:41 < dongs> i literally havent touched it since i dropped it into the office and set it up :)
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2017-08-07T16:57:34 < englishman> does mikrotik make any APs with external antennas
2017-08-07T16:58:13 < zyp> dongs, try configuring VLANs
2017-08-07T16:58:59 < dongs> zyp, on 210? i've been meaning to but way too lazy. i'd have to actually plan my office/vm netwrok and i cant be arsed
2017-08-07T16:59:14 < zyp> haha, same
2017-08-07T16:59:33 < zyp> anyway, I looked at it and figured "fuck that"
2017-08-07T16:59:39 < dongs> heh
2017-08-07T17:00:56 < fest> hehe, I actually have to keep it a secret that I have mikrotik router at home (I'm currently working for UBNT)
2017-08-07T17:01:19 < dongs> i don't trust lunix to actually route my internets
2017-08-07T17:01:23 < zyp> I mean, other switch have a simple "I want this port to belong to vlan X" and "I want this port to have tagged traffic from vlans Y and Z"
2017-08-07T17:01:33 < dongs> so mikrodik stuff is just switch/bridge/AP
2017-08-07T17:02:09 < dongs> http://www.yamaha.com/products/en/network/routers/rtx810/ this is the bestest non-lunix gigabit router
2017-08-07T17:02:18 < zyp> but for the mikrotik thing you need like three sets of rules per port
2017-08-07T17:02:42 < zyp> IIRC separate rules for ingress/egress/filtering shit
2017-08-07T17:03:18 < englishman> fest: hope you got decent stock/profit sharing, congrats on becoming a billion dollar company with endless growth in sight
2017-08-07T17:03:43 < dongs> fest, do you know anything about their NVR shit
2017-08-07T17:04:22 < dongs> i ordered one of the cams to check out features and then i found out to make most use of it I need this NVR with a spinning rust hdd inside
2017-08-07T17:04:31 < dongs> and apparently it BOOTS from that hdd as well
2017-08-07T17:04:36 < dongs> so i cant just unplug the shit
2017-08-07T17:04:41 < englishman> wat
2017-08-07T17:04:52 < zyp> the NVR looks like shit
2017-08-07T17:04:56 < dongs> like, 2017, and not booting from fucking flash?
2017-08-07T17:05:03 < zyp> just grab the NVR software and spin it up in a VM or something
2017-08-07T17:05:13 < dongs> pretty sure its some ARM tarsh
2017-08-07T17:05:22 < zyp> I'm guessing atom
2017-08-07T17:05:25 < fest> zyp is right there, NVR software runs on windows too
2017-08-07T17:05:25 < dongs> o ya?
2017-08-07T17:05:31 < dongs> well shit
2017-08-07T17:05:35 < dongs> can i jsut downlaod that shit then
2017-08-07T17:05:35 < fest> so you can run it on any box
2017-08-07T17:05:38 < dongs> aweseome.
2017-08-07T17:05:55 < dongs> https://www.ubnt.com/download/unifi-video/unifi-nvr ?
2017-08-07T17:05:57 < dongs> yay!
2017-08-07T17:06:08 < zyp> IIRC the NVR thing looks like they just put some ITX motherboard in a box
2017-08-07T17:06:21 < dongs> well shit. i nnever even thought of looking
2017-08-07T17:06:26 < dongs> cuz i assumed it needed thier box
2017-08-07T17:06:30 < gxti> i evaluated a couple NVR programs and ended up paying for blueiris (it runs on windows dongie so you'd like it)
2017-08-07T17:06:35 < englishman> It has to be ubnt NVR? Not just any onvif crap?
2017-08-07T17:06:40 < zyp> complete with monitor ports and shit which according to documentation is not used
2017-08-07T17:07:26 < gxti> using it with quality china cams
2017-08-07T17:07:50 < fest> I think the older cameras did have RTSP stream, but I'm not sure about onvif
2017-08-07T17:08:04 < gxti> ubnt is too lazy to do anything other than rtsp
2017-08-07T17:08:15 < gxti> onvif is just shitty autodiscovery of rtsp, you don't really need it
2017-08-07T17:08:20 < dongs> im fine with just using thier software on windows
2017-08-07T17:08:25 < dongs> that was my target anyawy
2017-08-07T17:09:06 < englishman> if they don't have rtsp that's kind of wtf
2017-08-07T17:09:18 < dongs> lol @ 3 separate lunix downlaods
2017-08-07T17:09:23 < dongs> 2 different jewbunto versions and some debian shit
2017-08-07T17:09:29 < dongs> this is why lunix wsill never fucking succeed anywhere
2017-08-07T17:09:38 < fest> there is an upcoming line of cameras that (at least currently) don't have rtsp
2017-08-07T17:09:56 < dongs> will they do 1080p60 or 4k?
2017-08-07T17:10:24 < fest> nope, they'll be wifi only
2017-08-07T17:10:26 < gxti> 60fps lol. 15 is enough already
2017-08-07T17:10:29 < dongs> oh useless.
2017-08-07T17:10:43 < dongs> gxti, people keep crashing cars around my area. i wanna record that shit in 60p
2017-08-07T17:10:55 < zyp> haha
2017-08-07T17:10:57 < gxti> that's reasonable
2017-08-07T17:12:39 < Laurenceb> I wish there were decent lightweight >250fps cameras
2017-08-07T17:14:01 < fest> Laurenceb: soo, an iphone?
2017-08-07T17:14:38 < gxti> put it on twitch
2017-08-07T17:15:13 < Laurenceb> how fast is iphone?
2017-08-07T17:15:22 < fest> 240fps @ 720p IIRC
2017-08-07T17:15:46 < Laurenceb> so same as gopro then
2017-08-07T17:16:00 < Laurenceb> probably less likely to crash tho
2017-08-07T17:16:25 < Laurenceb> failpro
2017-08-07T17:18:42 < invzim> sdio+fat DID NOT work 'out of the box' from cubemx
2017-08-07T17:18:46  * invzim shocked
2017-08-07T17:18:51 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-08-07T17:19:04 < Laurenceb> like ST could ever get that to work
2017-08-07T17:19:31 < dongs> works for me, of course i dont use cube
2017-08-07T17:19:43 < invzim> if you're going to hide all the details, you better make sure things work
2017-08-07T17:20:43 < Laurenceb> hide all the details is generally bad in embedded
2017-08-07T17:20:43 < invzim> so guess I'm going into the sdio soup too
2017-08-07T17:20:48 < Laurenceb> as you need fine control
2017-08-07T17:21:11 < Laurenceb> invzim: there is decent copypastable sdio code on the internets
2017-08-07T17:21:16 < Laurenceb> that will work with fatfs
2017-08-07T17:21:39 < invzim> had a quick browse, will do more
2017-08-07T17:21:43 < invzim> what's the first thing to check?
2017-08-07T17:21:58 < invzim> hook up LA to see if anything is going over the pins at all?
2017-08-07T17:22:31 < dongs> do they sample card presence pin?
2017-08-07T17:22:36 < dongs> make sure the logic for that is not inverted or somethin
2017-08-07T17:22:46 < Laurenceb> also clocks for all the needed shit
2017-08-07T17:22:51 < Laurenceb> gpio init etc
2017-08-07T17:22:56 < dongs> i would hope fucking cube would do all that
2017-08-07T17:23:00 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-08-07T17:23:31 < invzim> card-detect pin is low as expected, but that's just a normal gpio
2017-08-07T17:23:33 < Laurenceb> think I'll take the copypasta route rather than that cube shit
2017-08-07T17:24:18 < dongs> invzim: yeah i mean does cube trash want it high or low or not care at all etc
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2017-08-07T17:34:34 < Laurenceb> wtf this job sucks
2017-08-07T17:34:44 < Laurenceb> I've be added to over 9000 mailing lists
2017-08-07T17:34:59 < Laurenceb> it just gets worse
2017-08-07T17:35:49 < Laurenceb> >sits in basement reading emails
2017-08-07T17:35:54 < Laurenceb> >gets paid to do it
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2017-08-07T18:18:54 < dongs> fucking jewtub is still processing my 4k60p vid, only 1080p is up
2017-08-07T18:21:22 < invzim> pullups are needed on sdio lines, all of them?
2017-08-07T18:21:30 < dongs> none of them
2017-08-07T18:21:43 < invzim> damn, then it's not that
2017-08-07T18:21:49 < dongs> you can use STM pullups if you really want to
2017-08-07T18:22:03 < dongs> but i've got several designs where sdio shit was just straight trough and nobody cared
2017-08-07T18:26:40 < englishman> 100k pullups are nice for when card isnt inserted, but they are not required
2017-08-07T18:26:46 < englishman> will need one on detect pin of course
2017-08-07T18:26:57 < invzim> yeah, pin detect is working
2017-08-07T18:27:04 < invzim> I'll have a play when I get home
2017-08-07T18:27:15  * invzim hates troubleshooting things he knows nothing about
2017-08-07T18:27:50 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GncTVs7.gifv
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2017-08-07T18:32:16 < dongs> what teh fuck did they think was gonna happen
2017-08-07T18:35:15 < tpw_rules> did he died
2017-08-07T18:35:19 < dongs> i hope so
2017-08-07T18:35:42 < dongs> red bull are fucking retards
2017-08-07T18:35:58 < englishman> they did that shit in vancouver, and just left all the junk in false creek
2017-08-07T18:36:05 < englishman> boats got their anchors stuck on it, etc
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2017-08-07T19:39:34 < englishman> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6494C6D6997C215E
2017-08-07T19:39:40 < englishman> wtf kind of error is this
2017-08-07T19:39:41 < englishman> fucking lunix
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2017-08-07T19:48:45 < Steffanx> bla bla bla englishman. Time to get more original.
2017-08-07T19:48:48 < Steffanx> :P
2017-08-07T19:49:14 < englishman> steffy im angry
2017-08-07T19:49:18 < englishman> i have to order from ARROW today
2017-08-07T19:49:23 < englishman> this project will likely be delayed
2017-08-07T19:49:24 < englishman> ;'(
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2017-08-07T19:49:38 < Steffanx> i figured
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2017-08-07T19:50:12 < Steffanx> "have to". There is not much ARROW has that others dont have..
2017-08-07T19:50:45 < englishman> happily no, and most times i can avoid ordering from them
2017-08-07T19:51:09 < englishman> and this is how i am spending my day. trying to not order from ARROW so i can receive shit tomorrow instead of "whenever"
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2017-08-07T20:50:54 < englishman> steffy is a confirmed criminal http://i.imgur.com/K2wG2XL.jpg
2017-08-07T20:59:51 < zyp> aren't we all?
2017-08-07T21:09:43 < englishman> oh, who likes engineering fails
2017-08-07T21:10:52 < englishman> 2014 - sig sauer introduces new P320 pistol. US army is looking for a new pistol - $350m contract. P320 passes all US Army testing. They choose P320, replacing 35 year old beretta. Because US Army chose it, it's now the best pistol and police depts, etc. all pick it up too.
2017-08-07T21:11:07 < englishman> last week a cop drops one and it goes off. oh no! how did this happen? it passed army testing!
2017-08-07T21:11:11 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA
2017-08-07T21:11:48 < englishman> tl;dw it only passed the US Army Spec Drop Test that specifies the angle that it hits the ground.
2017-08-07T21:12:51 < englishman> drop it at a Non-Army-Spec Angle and it goes off.
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2017-08-07T21:26:02 < Steffanx> Dont drop the gun
2017-08-07T21:27:15 < emeryth> you're dropping it wrong
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2017-08-07T21:29:10 < englishman> lol
2017-08-07T21:29:38 < zyp> you must get your drops up to army spec
2017-08-07T21:32:44 < Steffanx> how is the anger management going englishman?
2017-08-07T21:33:03 < englishman> fantastic, managed to avoid ordering from ARROW !!!! 😸
2017-08-07T21:33:18 < englishman> looking forward to the rest of this beautiful day
2017-08-07T21:33:20 < Steffanx> vampire cat.
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2017-08-07T21:36:23 < Steffanx> Better buy the new 16 core intel i9
2017-08-07T21:36:39 < Steffanx> oh even better, 18 cores
2017-08-07T21:37:44 < Steffanx> only a tdp of 165W
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2017-08-07T21:56:20 < abiogenesis> i want to trigger an LED via GPIO.. the LED is connected to D7 ( I/O) .. i took the example and edited it from the "User"Led to mine
2017-08-07T21:56:37 < abiogenesis> but dont have an idea what to replace in "#define LED1_GPIO_CLK_ENABLE()             LL_AHB1_GRP1_EnableClock(LL_AHB1_GRP1_PERIPH_GPIOB)"
2017-08-07T21:57:09 < abiogenesis> i use an F767ZI-Nucleo.. im using GPIOF Pin 2
2017-08-07T21:57:19 < jpa-> change GPIOB to GPIOF
2017-08-07T21:57:58 < abiogenesis> ah okay, so all GPIOx ports are AHB1?
2017-08-07T21:59:08 < jpa-> probably, you can check ref manual RCC section to be sure
2017-08-07T21:59:25 < jpa-> but it will complain if the AHB1_...GPIOF symbol doesn't exist
2017-08-07T21:59:42 < abiogenesis> ok
2017-08-07T21:59:52 < Steffanx> or the diagram on page .. of this document http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/group3/c5/37/9c/1d/a6/09/4e/1a/DM00273119/files/DM00273119.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00273119.pdf
2017-08-07T21:59:58 < Steffanx> 19
2017-08-07T22:00:30 < jpa-> hey .. how's it going?
2017-08-07T22:00:32 < jpa-> Steffanx
2017-08-07T22:00:39 < Steffanx> Im good jpa-. How is life there?
2017-08-07T22:01:00 < jpa-> some dudes came today and demolished one of our bathrooms
2017-08-07T22:01:00 < abiogenesis> it doesnt work.. if i look into the user manual for the pin assignment: "Pin: 2 // Pin_Name: D7 // Signal_Name: I/O // STM32_Pin: PF13"
2017-08-07T22:01:18 < abiogenesis> https://pastebin.com/jE1LvbFg
2017-08-07T22:01:23 < abiogenesis> these are the defines
2017-08-07T22:01:25 < jpa-> abiogenesis: it is GPIOF13 then, not 2 really
2017-08-07T22:01:28 < Steffanx> pin 2? :D
2017-08-07T22:01:45 < jpa-> pin 2 is probably just its place on the pin header
2017-08-07T22:02:23 < Steffanx> " one of our bathrooms" is business going so well that you have multiple now?
2017-08-07T22:02:49 < abiogenesis> jpa-: so "LL_GPIO_PIN_13"?
2017-08-07T22:02:53 < jpa-> have had two for years now :)
2017-08-07T22:02:54 < Steffanx> Or one is a real BATHroom and the other is justa smallish toilet room?
2017-08-07T22:03:05 < jpa-> yeah
2017-08-07T22:03:10 < jpa-> well both have showers
2017-08-07T22:03:15 < Steffanx> For real? :D
2017-08-07T22:03:17 < jpa-> neither has bath
2017-08-07T22:03:33 < Steffanx> even tectu doesnt have that
2017-08-07T22:04:00 < jpa-> yeh, this is a fancy apartment
2017-08-07T22:04:04 < jpa-> you should visit
2017-08-07T22:04:24 < Steffanx> Yes, but he is too busy lately
2017-08-07T22:04:47 < Steffanx> I should drive to swisserland and we should fly to finland.
2017-08-07T22:04:55 < abiogenesis> LL_GPIO_PIN_13 is not working either
2017-08-07T22:05:49 < Steffanx> What does the entire code look like abiogenesis?
2017-08-07T22:06:02 < Thorn> is your firmware even running
2017-08-07T22:06:25 < abiogenesis> https://pastebin.com/aP5whn1h
2017-08-07T22:06:29 < Thorn> are you even sure the chip is being programmed
2017-08-07T22:06:38 < abiogenesis> took it from the Cube examples
2017-08-07T22:06:49 < abiogenesis> Thorn: yes. the example with the User LED worked fine
2017-08-07T22:07:01 < abiogenesis> just getting trouble to trigger external LEDs
2017-08-07T22:07:34 < Thorn> is there a resistor or maybe you fried the pin already lol
2017-08-07T22:07:39 < jpa-> 200 lines to blink a led :D
2017-08-07T22:07:41 < abiogenesis> https://pastebin.com/VjLCSvyS
2017-08-07T22:08:14 < abiogenesis> Thorn: yes there is a 330Ohm resistor. if i connect 5V from the Board to it the LED is shining
2017-08-07T22:08:49 < abiogenesis> jpa-: yes, sorry. but wanted first an example that runs fine. after that i wanted to reduce the code to the minimum and analyze it
2017-08-07T22:08:55 < jpa-> makes sense
2017-08-07T22:09:15 < jpa-> can't see obvious problems in the code
2017-08-07T22:09:38 < abiogenesis> i connected D7 to the Resistor and the resistor is beforce the LEd
2017-08-07T22:09:52 < abiogenesis> after that to GND... as i said, connecting to 5V let the LED shine
2017-08-07T22:12:13 < Thorn> well there are no definitions of LED1_GPIO_PORT, LED1_PIN and LED1_GPIO_CLK_ENABLE in your paste
2017-08-07T22:12:21 < Thorn> there is no "D7" in stm32
2017-08-07T22:12:23 < Steffanx> there are in his 2nd paste.
2017-08-07T22:13:08 < abiogenesis> https://pastebin.com/bhJGDEZF
2017-08-07T22:13:25 < abiogenesis> https://www.pic-upload.de/view-33693980/IMG_1182.jpg.html
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2017-08-07T22:13:32 < Steffanx> How is the home business going jpa-?
2017-08-07T22:13:43 < abiogenesis> this is a picture how i connected the board to the breadboard
2017-08-07T22:14:11 < Steffanx> Still only working for one or is the progress (of world domination) greater than that?
2017-08-07T22:16:38 < abiogenesis> can somebody pls help? its so frustrating ^^
2017-08-07T22:18:25 < jpa-> Steffanx: mostly one customer yeah, though i did get 31 EUR from some dude in canada :D
2017-08-07T22:19:08 < Steffanx> Same guy that owes me maple syrup?
2017-08-07T22:19:24 < jpa-> could be, though he paid me pretty fast
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2017-08-07T22:25:56 < englishman> i wish I could afford expensive finnish programmers
2017-08-07T22:26:15 < Steffanx> Depending in the time 31 sound pretty cheap
2017-08-07T22:26:18 < abiogenesis> no one an idea ?
2017-08-07T22:28:18 < Thorn> abiogenesis: you said you had a working example that blinks and onboard led. so add the code to blink another led there, testing that is still works after every code change
2017-08-07T22:30:02 < Thorn> if it stops blinking the onboard led -> you have a hardfault or failed assertion etc. if it blinks the onboard led but not external led -> you know the code is running but you're doing something wrong with your led
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2017-08-07T22:42:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTGpPZVVqYjgwdnc/view?usp=sharing
2017-08-07T22:42:39 < kakimir> englishman:
2017-08-07T22:43:49 < Steffanx> Why is there ink all over it mr kakimir?
2017-08-07T22:44:25 < kakimir> I don't know
2017-08-07T22:44:46 < kakimir> or care
2017-08-07T22:45:46 < Steffanx> I would care if its an official document
2017-08-07T22:47:39 < kakimir> they probably placed stamper on table accidentally and then stamped my papers on top of the stain
2017-08-07T22:49:54 < Steffanx> Fools.
2017-08-07T22:49:59 < Steffanx> Hi kakimir, how was your day?
2017-08-07T22:50:30 < kakimir> workshop day
2017-08-07T22:51:42 < englishman> kakimir the kitten farmer learns to fly
2017-08-07T22:52:26 < Steffanx> kakimir doesnt do kittens does he?
2017-08-07T22:53:02 < kakimir> our cats have been "processed"
2017-08-07T22:54:07 < Steffanx> Dried kitten.. hmm
2017-08-07T22:54:46 < Steffanx> So when can we practice skyhook kakimir?
2017-08-07T22:55:11 < kakimir> tommorow
2017-08-07T22:55:20 < kakimir> when do we go flying?
2017-08-07T22:55:31 < Steffanx> tomorrow.
2017-08-07T22:55:36 < kakimir> rent a glider then
2017-08-07T22:55:43 < kakimir> I start driving
2017-08-07T22:56:31 < Steffanx> :)
2017-08-07T22:56:33 < kakimir> joke joke
2017-08-07T22:56:41 < kakimir> not now
2017-08-07T22:57:03 < kakimir> it would be fun thought drive there at one sitting
2017-08-07T22:58:16 < kakimir> I have done some quick decision trips inside the country though
2017-08-07T22:59:46 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOVNQcHhTcUpMOEk?usp=sharing what I'm building now
2017-08-07T23:02:14 < Steffanx> what is it?
2017-08-07T23:02:53 < Steffanx> and you covered up the floor properly, good boy :)
2017-08-07T23:04:50 < kakimir> 2 arm turning holder for ESD vacuum cleaner hose with counter weight swing up down with a limit switch with a roller level actuator
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2017-08-07T23:05:21 < kakimir> first arm is 900mm from bearing to bearing and second one is closer to 1500mm
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2017-08-07T23:05:56 < kakimir> total reach around 2400mm from point of wall installation
2017-08-07T23:06:16 < kakimir> 2 arms make it possible to reach closer
2017-08-07T23:07:02 < kakimir> when you pull the hose the second arm counterbalance swing lets hose come downwards
2017-08-07T23:07:45 < kakimir> limit switch closes as swing leaves upmost position
2017-08-07T23:07:59 < kakimir> vacuum cleaner unit starts
2017-08-07T23:11:48 < kakimir> now I need only cast the counter weight from lead
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2017-08-07T23:15:20 < kakimir> http://www.tirebusiness.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/TB/20150227/NEWS/150229924/AR/0/AR-150229924.jpg&cci_ts=20150227103639&ExactW=320 from these.. just need to pick zn weights out of the batch
2017-08-07T23:16:31 < kakimir> did you understand what it is Steffanx ?
2017-08-07T23:19:27 < Steffanx> not entirely no, but im not really into stuff like that
2017-08-07T23:20:08 < Steffanx> im sure it will be more clear when you have the final thing
2017-08-07T23:20:10 < Thorn> echo want_replacement > /sys/block/md0/md/dev-sdc1/state
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2017-08-07T23:23:29 < kakimir> Steffanx: I don't have an excuse at least when the hose is right there under my nose
2017-08-07T23:24:27 < kakimir> I don't even need to plug anything or turn anything on or get the vacuum cleaner
2017-08-07T23:24:41 < kakimir> just pull the hose and remove projects
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2017-08-07T23:25:42 < Steffanx> but there are those cases where the hose is not close to you.
2017-08-07T23:26:03 < Steffanx> or will it be motorized and always follow you.
2017-08-07T23:26:25 < kakimir> no it's fixed to wall at it's first joint
2017-08-07T23:26:46 < kakimir> unless I decide to have rails inside my workspace
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2017-08-07T23:29:49 < kakimir> and for those other cases I have normal vacuum cleaner units
2017-08-07T23:30:14 < kakimir> one small and one 3 motor one if I need something bigger
2017-08-07T23:38:31 < Steffanx> btw kakimir, this is how you NOT do it: http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/d734b8a9_IMG_1165.MP4.mp4.mp4
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2017-08-07T23:40:41 < kakimir> what the hell
2017-08-07T23:40:45 < invzim> precision li-ion charging :)
2017-08-07T23:40:47 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8P7XCTh21esUldqcG5MVU02cEU
2017-08-07T23:41:52 < kakimir> that was terribly stupid Steffanx
2017-08-07T23:41:58 < Steffanx> kinda uh.. :D
2017-08-07T23:42:46 < kakimir> what leaded into the situation first place?
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2017-08-08T00:14:40 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/gTgwn.jpeg
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2017-08-08T00:16:42 < kakimir> :D
2017-08-08T00:16:53 < kakimir> the fuck google
2017-08-08T00:17:04 < kakimir> m00t - seriously?
2017-08-08T00:23:04 < Laurenceb> muh jerb sucks donkey balls
2017-08-08T00:24:30 < kakimir> how is your kitten Laurenceb ?
2017-08-08T00:24:48 < Laurenceb> huh
2017-08-08T00:24:58 < Laurenceb> I sold it to the Polish
2017-08-08T00:25:03 < kakimir> really?
2017-08-08T00:25:06 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-08-08T00:26:51 < kakimir> but you dislike them
2017-08-08T00:27:08 < kakimir> how much did you get?
2017-08-08T00:28:28 < Laurenceb> few £
2017-08-08T00:29:24 < kakimir> why you sold him?
2017-08-08T00:34:13 < kakimir> why
2017-08-08T00:34:39 < kakimir> how long did you keep him?
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2017-08-08T00:43:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2017/04/phd-students-face-significant-mental-health-challenges
2017-08-08T00:43:57 < Laurenceb> tell me something I don't know
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2017-08-08T00:50:30 < kakimir> Uni is fun
2017-08-08T00:53:11 < kakimir> in western world at least you can change your profession
2017-08-08T00:53:14 < kakimir> or school
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2017-08-08T00:57:58 < kakimir> In china or was it HK you queue to school and queue to job interviews and if you get in you are lucky and really don't want to fall off or you will become really poor really quick
2017-08-08T01:00:07 < kakimir> some chinese girl visited once and I told her I just left school and now I do whatever
2017-08-08T01:00:43 < kakimir> or was she from HK.. she couldn't imagine
2017-08-08T01:01:19 < kakimir> I hope I wasn't too demoralizing.. following my example would not be a good idea
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2017-08-08T01:58:48 < ohsix> i connected to irc for something ...
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2017-08-08T02:26:49 < dongs> hello dongs
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2017-08-08T03:42:41 < dongs> http://uploading.com/ haha
2017-08-08T03:42:43 < dongs> 100k usd
2017-08-08T03:43:28 < tpw_rules> lol they don't have transfer protection
2017-08-08T03:43:37 < tpw_rules> should steal it from them
2017-08-08T03:45:04 < dongs> how does that work
2017-08-08T03:48:04 < tpw_rules> convince another registrar you want to transfer the domain from whoever they've registered it with
2017-08-08T03:48:12 < dongs> mhm
2017-08-08T03:48:30 < dongs> you mean pretend to be owner of uploading?
2017-08-08T03:48:53 < tpw_rules> yes
2017-08-08T04:00:02 < dongs> go for it
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2017-08-08T04:59:16 < upgrdman> in altidongs, when making a sch symbol, how do i move a rectangle/ellipse/etc back in z order?
2017-08-08T05:00:20 < upgrdman> oh found it, e-m-b
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2017-08-08T07:13:22 < dongs> donging
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2017-08-08T07:22:07 < upgrdman> for when you want to spend $300 on a usb power bank... a really nice one, but damn: https://www.amazon.com/Omnicharge-Smartest-Portable-Equipment-Essential/dp/B01NBJX99D/
2017-08-08T07:23:43 < dongs> pro bundle
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2017-08-08T07:24:01 < dongs> that looks like a product that appeared on dickstarter
2017-08-08T07:27:21 < upgrdman> i was looking for a power bank that could charge my surface bro 4
2017-08-08T07:27:25 < upgrdman> and found that
2017-08-08T07:27:34 < upgrdman> and some cheap looking china shit for $75-150
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2017-08-08T08:41:32 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/volkuleshov/status/894377576205963265
2017-08-08T09:01:54 < Steffanx> "Machine learning algorithms are only as good as their training data." There you go.
2017-08-08T09:03:07 < englishman> hey did you know you can take 2khz rips off limewire and turn them into 196khz FLAC using this technology called "UPSCALENING"
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2017-08-08T09:36:44 < ohsix> the pyschoacoustic model of he-aac is already like that
2017-08-08T09:37:03 < dongs> cool
2017-08-08T09:37:09 < dongs> got a $20 discount on the TB1016F
2017-08-08T09:37:25 < dongs> will pick it up from taiwan office end of august
2017-08-08T09:37:33 < zyp> so you're almost getting it for free?
2017-08-08T09:37:48 < dongs> no, 20 from list of 170 or whatever
2017-08-08T09:37:53 < zyp> hehe
2017-08-08T09:53:00 < dongs> no, i dont need to generate signals
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2017-08-08T09:54:07 < zyp> which one?
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2017-08-08T10:22:10 < Steffanx> Python, such great tool. Run python -m http.server , and you have a server running from the folder you exectuted it. <3
2017-08-08T10:23:24 < Steffanx> R2COM, i dont need it. Mr o6 posted something
2017-08-08T10:34:08 < ohsix> git instaboner
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2017-08-08T11:16:15 < daey> is it working?
2017-08-08T11:40:48 < daey> :(
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2017-08-08T12:18:28 < ohsix> https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/6rtbbg/library_genesis_is_down_alternatives/dl83f1z/
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2017-08-08T12:52:16 < karlp> back to work, already pissed off by silly shit.
2017-08-08T12:52:20 < karlp> thankfully not actually work related :)
2017-08-08T12:52:48 < karlp> tek emails "read this tips on this shit" click link, click to download, demands my email and name again.....
2017-08-08T12:53:00 < zyp> haha
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2017-08-08T12:59:34 < karlp> I liked the guys extension board in that vid from crt.  bare wires stuffed into the socket
2017-08-08T13:03:38 < karlp> sorry, not tek, keysight. shoujldn't heap shit ont he wrong vendor
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2017-08-08T13:41:25 < dongs> fucking faggot dell.
2017-08-08T13:41:36 < dongs> every fucking other day i come back to desk and one or both of the monitors are dead
2017-08-08T13:41:39 < dongs> fucking garbage
2017-08-08T13:41:58 < dongs> and it doesnt look like they have a UP2414Q replacement with bg-r backlight/10bit panels
2017-08-08T13:42:05 < dongs> only fucking wled faggot trash
2017-08-08T13:42:13 < dongs> fucking aids
2017-08-08T13:43:30 < Steffanx> Aaaaaawh.
2017-08-08T13:48:19 < dongs> there is no fucking non-wled 24" 4K
2017-08-08T13:48:28 < dongs> fuckking fuck fuck fuck fuck
2017-08-08T13:55:36 < Steffanx> Whats wrong with LED, dongs?
2017-08-08T13:55:54 < dongs> it looks like shit
2017-08-08T13:55:56 < dongs> and kills your eyes
2017-08-08T13:56:00 < dongs> try looking at your monitor
2017-08-08T13:58:59 < Steffanx> Ok..
2017-08-08T14:01:47 < karlp> what's bg-r?
2017-08-08T14:02:02 < dongs> sry  i keep fucking it upk, its GB-R
2017-08-08T14:02:11 < dongs> https://pcmonitors.info/articles/the-evolution-of-led-backlights/
2017-08-08T14:02:14 < dongs> somewehre in there
2017-08-08T14:02:22 < dongs> around middle of article
2017-08-08T14:02:41 < dongs> https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WLED-spectrum.png vs https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/GB-LED-spectrum.png
2017-08-08T14:03:08 < dongs> when you have wled and gb side by side, you immediately want to stab your eyes out when looking at wled one
2017-08-08T14:04:12 < karlp> heh, actually had just found that article. thanks for the info
2017-08-08T14:04:13 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/musiclinear-your-clean-power-for-computer-audio#/ haha
2017-08-08T14:05:30 < dongs> Filter capacitor bank : 45 x 330uF https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_300/v1501491895/paewr43sjr4cnaki7rlh.png
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2017-08-08T15:09:06 < upgrdman> wtf. china internet was decent for last couple weeks, and todays its like before... worse than dialup
2017-08-08T15:09:18 < dongs> back from UK already?
2017-08-08T15:09:37 < upgrdman> i was even able to stream 480p from yt when in china over vpn
2017-08-08T15:09:40 < upgrdman> ya
2017-08-08T15:09:46 < dongs> pfft. priorities
2017-08-08T15:09:48 < upgrdman> uk was just for 3 days
2017-08-08T15:09:50 < dongs> who caresa bout jewtub streamin
2017-08-08T15:10:11 < upgrdman> ya but i mean.. i had the bandwidth and reliable connection
2017-08-08T15:10:39 < upgrdman> now, even pandora plus irc is causing hiccups
2017-08-08T15:11:26 < dongs> its pandora
2017-08-08T15:11:53 < upgrdman> no, even my irc lag meter is pegged
2017-08-08T15:12:04 < upgrdman> and like amazon etc are slow af
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2017-08-08T15:21:21  * Laurenceb is designing vibration monitor 2.0
2017-08-08T15:21:30 < Laurenceb> CAN or RS485 for sensors?
2017-08-08T15:21:35 < dongs> 485
2017-08-08T15:21:38 < Laurenceb> or even... usb
2017-08-08T15:21:44 < dongs> fuck can
2017-08-08T15:21:47 < dongs> overcomplicated faggotry
2017-08-08T15:21:50 < Laurenceb> yeah rs485 is faster
2017-08-08T15:22:01 < Laurenceb> but I now need 12 sensors
2017-08-08T15:22:02 < karlp> can is only tiny messages too
2017-08-08T15:22:03 < Laurenceb> annoying
2017-08-08T15:22:19 < dongs> yeah the whole addresing/package size shit in can is so annoying to deal with
2017-08-08T15:22:31 < Laurenceb> NXP usart-i2c is only 460kbps
2017-08-08T15:22:48 < karlp> well, you'll need addressing in most "x over rs485" protocols too
2017-08-08T15:22:50 < Laurenceb> will need v fast uart-i2c
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2017-08-08T15:23:13 < dongs> karlp: not if youre just connecting point to point shit
2017-08-08T15:23:13 < karlp> ethercat!
2017-08-08T15:23:22 < karlp> well, lowrance isn't doing that though.
2017-08-08T15:23:36 < dongs> what ever happened to whoever was gonna tryin to use STM32 ethernet phy in raw mode
2017-08-08T15:23:44 < dongs> to do something i forgot
2017-08-08T15:23:45 < Laurenceb> hah nice plan
2017-08-08T15:24:00 < karlp> wasn't that upgrdman?
2017-08-08T15:24:09 < karlp> was thinking of it for his isolated xray logging thing?
2017-08-08T15:24:11 < dongs> i dont recall the person trying being incompetent
2017-08-08T15:24:21 < Laurenceb> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/7275728/?grossPrice=Y&cm_mmc=UK-PLA-_-google-_-PLA_UK_EN_Semiconductors-_-Interface_ICs&mkwid=s2UFAhx6F_dc|pcrid|88057060563|pkw||pmt||prd|7275728&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItZ2kt9DH1QIV4bftCh1NxgJcEAQYBCABEgKzJPD_BwE
2017-08-08T15:24:25 < Laurenceb> nice but slowwww
2017-08-08T15:24:46 < dongs> werent you autisming over this a while back, Laurenceb
2017-08-08T15:24:48 < Laurenceb> maybe I will have to use atiny
2017-08-08T15:24:50 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-08-08T15:24:52 < dongs> this is a job for $0.30 STM32F0
2017-08-08T15:24:55 < Laurenceb> but the spec was changed
2017-08-08T15:24:57 < dongs> not for some fucking shit
2017-08-08T15:25:02 < Laurenceb> now it needs faster sensors
2017-08-08T15:25:08 < dongs> 90hz
2017-08-08T15:25:26 < Laurenceb> 2ksps with 12 sensors
2017-08-08T15:25:41 < Laurenceb> each one 16bit 3 axis accel and gyro
2017-08-08T15:26:03 < Laurenceb> stupid amounts of data :-S
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2017-08-08T15:27:41 < karlp> the fuck are you looking at uart-i2c shit for?
2017-08-08T15:29:15 < Laurenceb> simpler
2017-08-08T15:29:28 < Laurenceb> but yeah its going to have to be f030f4
2017-08-08T15:31:00 < dongs> retard
2017-08-08T15:31:11 < dongs> just put a fucking F0 + sensor on each end
2017-08-08T15:31:16 < dongs> and RS485 that shit or whatever to main box
2017-08-08T15:31:23 < dongs> literally cheaper than your i2cuart faggot shit plan
2017-08-08T15:34:03 < aandrew> Laurenceb: RS485 or even 4-20mA
2017-08-08T15:34:12 < karlp> (and somewhere along the way, convince them that they realllly don't need that much data?)
2017-08-08T15:34:44 < karlp> how muhc data can you get through the current loops?
2017-08-08T15:34:54 < aandrew> karlp: it's sloaw
2017-08-08T15:34:56 < aandrew> slow
2017-08-08T15:35:04 < aandrew> you really need >460kbps ofr a vibe sensor?
2017-08-08T15:35:51 < aandrew> gotta get that garage workbench built up and the wall closed off
2017-08-08T15:35:58 < aandrew> lol wrong chan
2017-08-08T15:37:11 < karlp> yeah, I thought it was pretty slow
2017-08-08T15:37:25 < aandrew> urf, new contract wants to use orcad
2017-08-08T15:38:15 < zyp> the 8 byte max payload in can is kinda annoying, but if that's sufficient for whatever you're doing, using can should be much simpler than adding a framing layer on top of rs485
2017-08-08T15:39:43 < karlp> current loop is p2p only too
2017-08-08T15:42:45 < aandrew> zyp: what 8 byte payload limit
2017-08-08T15:42:52 < karlp> in can.
2017-08-08T15:42:55 < aandrew> on CAN? yeah
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2017-08-08T15:43:20 < aandrew> I like CAN for noise immunity and auto prioritization
2017-08-08T15:43:41 < aandrew> I guess we need to know Laurenceb's application
2017-08-08T15:43:43 < Laurenceb> well they want to look at up to 250hz or so vibration
2017-08-08T15:44:01 < Laurenceb> and 2ksps, 16bit is standard for vibration monitoring
2017-08-08T15:44:29 < Laurenceb> guess I will add a master/slave interface with some gpio and clk in/out
2017-08-08T15:44:36 < aandrew> hm
2017-08-08T15:44:39 < Laurenceb> then multiple dataloggers can be connected
2017-08-08T15:44:52 < Laurenceb> to give v large numbers of channels
2017-08-08T15:45:05 < aandrew> what kind of distances are you talking
2017-08-08T15:45:08 < aandrew> between nodes
2017-08-08T15:45:36 < emeryth> if you really need more than 8 bytes on CAN you can just slap ISO-TP on top
2017-08-08T15:45:43 < Laurenceb> aandrew: about 3m
2017-08-08T15:45:51 < zyp> Laurenceb, what about usb?
2017-08-08T15:45:53 < Laurenceb> installed around vehicle chassis
2017-08-08T15:45:58 < aandrew> oh that's nothing for either CAN or 485
2017-08-08T15:46:02 < Laurenceb> zyp: yeah, but complicated
2017-08-08T15:46:16 < Laurenceb> I guess F4 has OTG
2017-08-08T15:46:36 < zyp> does the master even need to be stm32?
2017-08-08T15:46:54 < Laurenceb> well its easier than embedded lunix if you want it to actually work
2017-08-08T15:47:01 < dongs> master = android phone
2017-08-08T15:47:05 < dongs> and pair 200 bluetooth dongles to it
2017-08-08T15:47:06 < dongs> DONE
2017-08-08T15:47:09 < dongs> y/y/y
2017-08-08T15:47:10 < Laurenceb> ewww android
2017-08-08T15:47:22 < Laurenceb> >bluetooth
2017-08-08T15:47:25 < Laurenceb> >working
2017-08-08T15:47:27 < Laurenceb> pick one
2017-08-08T15:47:37 < karlp> but mesh!
2017-08-08T15:47:45 < Laurenceb> whats the smallest stm32 with xtal free usb?
2017-08-08T15:47:54 < Laurenceb> sensors need to be like 15mm diameter
2017-08-08T15:48:41 < zyp> any f0/l0
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2017-08-08T15:48:52 < dongs> F042K6
2017-08-08T15:48:55 < dongs> QFN5x5 or so
2017-08-08T15:49:03 < Laurenceb> sweet
2017-08-08T15:49:16 < dongs> i made troll bizcard with it
2017-08-08T15:49:21 < dongs> waiting for pcbs to arrive
2017-08-08T15:49:46 < zyp> disadvantage with usb is the need for hubs/star topology wiring
2017-08-08T15:50:03 < Laurenceb> thats kind of an advantage
2017-08-08T15:50:15 < zyp> sure, if that fits how you'll wire it physically
2017-08-08T15:50:16 < Laurenceb> perman00bs can plug batshit numbers of sensors together
2017-08-08T15:50:32 < Laurenceb> then when it breaks they can usually figure out what they did wrong
2017-08-08T15:50:51 < Laurenceb> time syncronisation could be an issue
2017-08-08T15:51:02 < Laurenceb> usb is based around 1ms frames right?
2017-08-08T15:51:25 < Laurenceb> hmm they might be misaligned by hubs :-S
2017-08-08T15:51:27 < zyp> yes, and SOF pulse is hooked up to a timer internally, so you could sync shit to that
2017-08-08T15:51:36 < Laurenceb> ah ok
2017-08-08T15:51:57 < zyp> but yes, I'm not sure how hub latency plays in there
2017-08-08T15:52:36 < zyp> for devices on the same TT, I think you can get pretty good synchronization since it's broadcast
2017-08-08T15:52:51 < upgrdman> tt?
2017-08-08T15:53:04 < zyp> transaction translator, i.e. the bridge between HS and FS/LS
2017-08-08T15:53:23 < Laurenceb> what if its all FS?
2017-08-08T15:53:45 < zyp> if host port is FS then I guess it's just propagation delay
2017-08-08T15:54:29 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-08T15:55:30 < zyp> anyway, I'd guess that both propagation delay through an FS hub and through a TT would be pretty deterministic, at least for a given hub chip model
2017-08-08T15:55:45 < zyp> and since the host knows the bus topology, you can estimate and compensate for that
2017-08-08T15:56:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/L4birpk.png my F0-usb-testcard
2017-08-08T15:56:33 < zyp> very kawaii
2017-08-08T15:56:53 < dongs> oh and captouch too
2017-08-08T15:57:04 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-08T15:57:12 < Laurenceb> guess there is the durability issue
2017-08-08T15:57:28 < Laurenceb> if each sensor has a microusb connector they might break
2017-08-08T15:57:40 < zyp> nobody said you had to do standard connectors
2017-08-08T15:57:41 < dongs> use USB-C
2017-08-08T15:59:15 < zyp> I've been thinking about doing SOF sync tricks for my 3d printer shit, to split stuff across multiple boards
2017-08-08T15:59:49 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah usb-c might be worth it
2017-08-08T15:59:51 < zyp> i.e. one board on the frame to drive the steppers on the frame, one board on the printer head to drive the extruder
2017-08-08T16:00:13 < aandrew> dongs: lol @ android master and 200 dongles
2017-08-08T16:00:38 < zyp> and for the moving head, I considered running usb over RJ45, since that would be less prone to losing connection due to the motion
2017-08-08T16:00:40 < dongs> aandrew: kickstarter soon, my best IoT idea to date
2017-08-08T16:00:55 < dongs> zyp, like APC UPS
2017-08-08T16:01:09 < zyp> ah, yeah, I have a couple of those
2017-08-08T16:01:39 < zyp> I might also just run it over a pair of pins in whatever power connector I pick
2017-08-08T16:01:49 < aandrew> dongs: I love how you call out the USB connector... "just in case your'e a complete fucking moron, here's where you plug this into a usb port"
2017-08-08T16:02:05 < dongs> Cisco Genuine SFP-H10GB-CU3M SFP+ Copper Twinaxial 10GB Cable 3M 37-0961-03
2017-08-08T16:02:12 < dongs> $9
2017-08-08T16:02:13 < Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sipolar-Real-Industrial-Class-Grade-16-Ports-USB-HUB-USB2-0-Adaptor-480Mbps-/231641900159?hash=item35eeeee47f:g:670AAOxyF0pTiTQ6
2017-08-08T16:02:13 < zyp> maybe 8-pin molex minifitjr, then use three pins for ground, three for power and the last two for usb
2017-08-08T16:02:40 < Laurenceb> this could get ugly
2017-08-08T16:02:41 < karlp> what else is on those business cards dongs? RN1..4?
2017-08-08T16:02:51 < aandrew> karlp: my guess is his name/addy
2017-08-08T16:02:52 < karlp> oh, resistor networks for cap touch?
2017-08-08T16:02:52 < dongs> karlp: 12 leds and some captouch
2017-08-08T16:02:54 < dongs> ya
2017-08-08T16:02:54 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2017-08-08T16:02:55 < dongs> no
2017-08-08T16:02:58 < dongs> for leds
2017-08-08T16:03:02 < dongs> captouch is just 3 pads
2017-08-08T16:03:03 < Laurenceb> perman00b might get sensors confused
2017-08-08T16:03:09 < Laurenceb> usb could end badly
2017-08-08T16:03:20 < karlp> IC2?
2017-08-08T16:03:23 < karlp> ext eeprom?
2017-08-08T16:03:30 < dongs> vregg?
2017-08-08T16:03:33 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-08T16:03:37 < karlp> oh duh
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2017-08-08T16:03:39 < dongs> stm32 doesnt run off 5v ya
2017-08-08T16:03:42 < aandrew> gotta make a machxo3 board with sdram and mipi for testing
2017-08-08T16:03:48 < Laurenceb> ok yeah each sensor can id itself
2017-08-08T16:03:57 < Laurenceb> and each sensor needs a label anyway
2017-08-08T16:04:07 < Laurenceb> maybe just 3 digit hex or something
2017-08-08T16:05:21 < dongs> dip switch
2017-08-08T16:05:23 < dongs> to set ID
2017-08-08T16:05:33 < dongs> or rotary dip
2017-08-08T16:05:42 < Laurenceb> nah hardcoded
2017-08-08T16:05:50 < Laurenceb> then printed on top of enclosure
2017-08-08T16:05:51 < dongs> boring
2017-08-08T16:06:00 < zyp> just do a hash of chipid
2017-08-08T16:06:05 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-08-08T16:06:37 < Laurenceb> what kind of throughput could I expect with 12mbps usb?
2017-08-08T16:07:40 < zyp> how much did you say you need?
2017-08-08T16:08:06 < Laurenceb> about 2
2017-08-08T16:08:09 < Laurenceb> mbps
2017-08-08T16:08:36 < zyp> you wanted to do 16-bit 2ksps per sensor?
2017-08-08T16:08:45 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-08-08T16:09:19 < Laurenceb> 12 sensors * 16bit * 6 (3 accel + 3 gyro) * 2000 sps
2017-08-08T16:09:29 < Laurenceb> 2.3mbps
2017-08-08T16:09:29 < zyp> well, FS USB has no problems handling 2x16 48kHz on a FS device
2017-08-08T16:10:00 < Laurenceb> audio device?
2017-08-08T16:10:07 < karlp> good old arrow. sends out emails with products in them, links don't go to products, but to a search for part of the name.
2017-08-08T16:10:12 < dongs> 6bytes*2khz = 12k/sec?
2017-08-08T16:10:15 < dongs> is that right?
2017-08-08T16:10:16 < karlp> surprise surprise, search doesn't work
2017-08-08T16:10:25 < Laurenceb> dongs: 12 bytes
2017-08-08T16:10:33 < zyp> Laurenceb, yeah, sorry, usb audio is what I meant to write
2017-08-08T16:11:13 < zyp> anyway, you're talking 24 bytes per frame per sensor
2017-08-08T16:11:14 < dongs> so 24k/sec
2017-08-08T16:11:35 < zyp> usb spec has some figures
2017-08-08T16:12:34 < zyp> of course, usb.org is slow as fuck, so downloading the spec will take me another seven minutes
2017-08-08T16:12:59 < Laurenceb> maybe its via usb mass storage
2017-08-08T16:13:12 < dongs> zyp, thats assuming they dont drop the connection on you
2017-08-08T16:13:19 < dongs> the other day i had to download usb2 spec and it took for fucking ever
2017-08-08T16:13:21 < zyp> but I don't think it'll be a problem at all to fit 12 24byte packets per frame
2017-08-08T16:14:23 < dongs> zyp: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6obTnNhsMxJcmVmUk5QNnR0VzA/view?usp=sharing
2017-08-08T16:14:26 < dongs> usb2 spec.zip
2017-08-08T16:14:26 < zyp> and even if that's too much overhead, just make the packets larger and interleave which sensors gets polled in which frames
2017-08-08T16:14:30 < Laurenceb> ok cool thanks
2017-08-08T16:14:48 < Laurenceb> I get about 8bmps throughput with my existing mass storage code
2017-08-08T16:14:56 < Laurenceb> so it seems feasible
2017-08-08T16:15:03 < Laurenceb> *mbps
2017-08-08T16:17:24 < zyp> page 45 in the usb spec has the relevant table
2017-08-08T16:17:44 < zyp> it says you should be able to fit 36 32-byte isochronous packets in a frame
2017-08-08T16:17:52 < karlp> should.
2017-08-08T16:18:22 < zyp> yes, bus timing wise
2017-08-08T16:19:02 < Laurenceb> hmm thats not very fast
2017-08-08T16:19:05 < zyp> of course this assumes that host is able to keep up
2017-08-08T16:19:17 < Laurenceb> wait yes it is
2017-08-08T16:19:21 < Laurenceb>  >9mbps
2017-08-08T16:19:34 < Laurenceb> ok so >4 times faster than i need
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2017-08-08T16:20:23 < Laurenceb> ok I'll prob use usb then
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2017-08-08T16:20:42 < zyp> if you look at the table, it has a column for usable data per frame
2017-08-08T16:20:48 < zyp> for the different package sizes
2017-08-08T16:21:32 < zyp> looks like overhead is pretty minimal for anything over 16 bytes per packet
2017-08-08T16:24:25 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-08-08T16:24:41 < Laurenceb> my F1 manages >8mbps throughput with mass storage class
2017-08-08T16:25:09 < zyp> mass storage is bulk, which is 64 byte packages on FS
2017-08-08T16:25:19 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-08T16:25:51 < Laurenceb> still far too slow for this tho
2017-08-08T16:26:01 < Laurenceb> I might try F4 with ULPI PHY
2017-08-08T16:26:10 < Laurenceb> for the data download
2017-08-08T16:27:31 < jpa-> if you need 2Mbit/s, how is 8Mbit/s far too slow?
2017-08-08T16:27:40 < Laurenceb> for download
2017-08-08T16:28:03 < Laurenceb> if someone plugs into pc and wants to grab 4 hours of data and it takes them an hour thats kind of bad
2017-08-08T16:28:20 < dongs> attn Laurenceb http://www.ebay.com/itm/321052979793
2017-08-08T16:28:27 < Laurenceb> although if I use FLAC it should be smaller
2017-08-08T16:29:11 < Laurenceb> dongs: just downlinks raw gps, you need the right software to decode
2017-08-08T16:29:37 < englishman> karlp: LOL ARROW
2017-08-08T16:31:04 < dongs> arrow, the certifier of amazing dickstarter scams
2017-08-08T16:32:12 < zyp> dongs, I think I launched one of those once, or similar
2017-08-08T16:33:37 < zyp> I remember the sonde came with a punch code paper tape, like that thing
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2017-08-08T16:36:05 < dongs> https://www.autoblog.com/2017/08/04/self-driving-car-sign-hack-stickers/ fucking trolled, lol
2017-08-08T16:36:22 < karlp> heh, photos on that ebay are "please update your account to allow third party hosting"
2017-08-08T16:36:30 < jpa-> eh.. blackmagic probe programs wrong data to flash on my F4
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2017-08-08T16:48:53 < zyp> jpa-, wrong how?
2017-08-08T16:49:31 < Thorn> received stm32 from aliexpress, this is the packaging http://i.imgur.com/0G8RYTn.jpg
2017-08-08T16:49:47 < Thorn> only 3 chips seem to have bent pins though
2017-08-08T16:49:47 < zyp> haha
2017-08-08T16:50:00 < dongs> thorn picks the cheapest shipping
2017-08-08T16:50:20 < Thorn> shipping != packaging
2017-08-08T16:50:45 < Thorn> and I pick shipping with tracking # even if it's $1.5-$2 extra
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2017-08-08T16:58:14 < jpa-> zyp: http://paste.dy.fi/uEZ/plain
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2017-08-08T17:01:00 < zyp> looks like it didn't get erased properly before writing (all bits that are wrong are 0s that should have been 1)
2017-08-08T17:01:11 < zyp> as far as I can tell from a glance
2017-08-08T17:01:51 < jpa-> yeah.. tried doing mass erase but didn't remember to check values before programming
2017-08-08T17:02:07 < jpa-> have to debug more some other time.. now have to get some work done so stlink, here i come :)
2017-08-08T17:02:23 < dongs> awful choice of tools
2017-08-08T17:02:25 < dongs> from shit to shit
2017-08-08T17:03:02 < jpa-> hey, i'm doing a nuttx project with kdevelop on ubuntu, and debugging with gdb - what do you expect?
2017-08-08T17:03:19 < dongs> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa okay.
2017-08-08T17:04:21 < englishman> Certainly sounds like a "Project"
2017-08-08T17:04:40 < englishman> Just to get a flashable program
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2017-08-08T17:16:47 < Thorn> why nuttx
2017-08-08T17:20:42 < jpa-> because i'm still not sure if it was or was not the right choice for this project
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2017-08-08T17:39:31 < Laurenceb> hmm i have a problem
2017-08-08T17:39:37 < Laurenceb> inb4 "conductor"
2017-08-08T17:39:51 < Laurenceb> how can i add status leds to my usb ports?
2017-08-08T17:40:10 < Laurenceb> is there a way to query a hub to id connected devices by port?
2017-08-08T17:40:31 < dongs> ask amp!six
2017-08-08T17:49:31 < Laurenceb> seems to be possible in lunix
2017-08-08T17:52:53 < karlp> lsusb -t ?
2017-08-08T17:53:15 < karlp> status leds are normally pins on hub chips, often left disconnected....
2017-08-08T17:53:56 < zyp> Laurenceb, yes, but not like you imagine
2017-08-08T17:54:31 < Thorn> LPC176x has a dedicated pin for usb status, no idea why lol
2017-08-08T17:54:56 < zyp> Laurenceb, hubs don't know which devices are connected where, but host does
2017-08-08T17:55:46 < Laurenceb> oh
2017-08-08T17:55:52 < zyp> on a bus reset, all devices starts with id 0
2017-08-08T17:56:00 < Laurenceb> do i need to write a hub driver for the stm32 host?
2017-08-08T17:56:54 < zyp> when a device is connected to a hub, hub signals to host that it detected a device, host signals back to enable the port, host then assigns new id to the new device which currently has addr 0
2017-08-08T17:57:13 < zyp> so host knows which port on which hub it has assigned a given addr
2017-08-08T17:57:29 < zyp> and from there it knows the full topology
2017-08-08T17:57:58 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-08T17:58:02 < zyp> and yes, for a host to address more than a single device, it needs a hub class driver
2017-08-08T17:58:11 < Laurenceb> so a hub class sounds fairly simple
2017-08-08T17:58:14 < zyp> whether you have to write it yourself or it already exists, I don't know
2017-08-08T17:58:17 < zyp> yes, should be
2017-08-08T17:58:19 < Laurenceb> hopefully there is copypasta code
2017-08-08T17:58:44 < zyp> I would start out doing the device side and making a prototype host with libusb
2017-08-08T17:58:54 < zyp> then you can make an embedded host later when you have working devices
2017-08-08T17:59:25 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-08T17:59:32 < Laurenceb> looks like cube doesnt support it
2017-08-08T17:59:51 < Laurenceb> but chibios does
2017-08-08T17:59:52 < Laurenceb> win
2017-08-08T18:00:33 < Laurenceb> lul ppl have even run usb webcams via hub with chibios
2017-08-08T18:02:19 < Laurenceb> http://www.chibios.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1372&sid=1181b62bd3ea2cc51018df319d9cd0c7
2017-08-08T18:02:22 < Laurenceb> batshit
2017-08-08T18:03:01 < Laurenceb> that could actually be useful as an alarm thing
2017-08-08T18:03:02 < gxti> at least it isn't like the first usb webcams that shat raw pixels at you
2017-08-08T18:03:18 < gxti> now all you gotta do is shovel bits back and forth
2017-08-08T18:04:27 < Laurenceb> well this looks better than failberry pi
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2017-08-08T18:17:30 < karlp> Laurenceb: kuldeep wrote enough hub host support to get a keyboard+mouse working at least.
2017-08-08T18:18:09 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-08T18:18:21 < Laurenceb> Rpi=dead
2017-08-08T18:18:45 < karlp> if you like writing all the big host sw on stm32, sure...
2017-08-08T18:22:17 < kuldeep> Laurenceb, atm, usb hub class isnt implelemented. currently the usbh driver in unicore-mx can process 1 device. (but it is possible to add usb hub class if you need multiple devices)
2017-08-08T18:22:46 < Laurenceb> kuldeep this is your code, or cube?
2017-08-08T18:22:46 < kuldeep> *you need multiple devices simultaneously
2017-08-08T18:22:55 < kuldeep> Laurenceb, my code.
2017-08-08T18:23:20 < Laurenceb> ah ok
2017-08-08T18:23:44 < jpa-> Laurenceb: i wonder if you could just put a led from USB D+ line (with a logic buffer chip)
2017-08-08T18:23:53 < jpa-> because it should be steady low before the port is enabled IIRC
2017-08-08T18:24:09 < jpa-> and thereafter toggle pretty often
2017-08-08T18:24:16 < Laurenceb> jpa-: I need red/green led and self test for each port
2017-08-08T18:24:22 < jpa-> ah, ok
2017-08-08T18:24:24 < Laurenceb> red is sensor is faulty, green if ok
2017-08-08T18:25:29 < karlp> oh sorry, I thought kuldeep had hub support too, my bad.
2017-08-08T18:28:35 < kuldeep> Laurenceb, if you need usb hub support, i have done the ground work (driver layer) - only hub (generic) code need to be written.
2017-08-08T18:28:48 < Laurenceb> ok
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2017-08-08T18:54:41 < bartekww> hey
2017-08-08T18:55:07 < bartekww> how to bitbang on GPIO pin using DMA and CubeMX
2017-08-08T19:00:08 < Laurenceb> >CubeMX
2017-08-08T19:00:21 < Laurenceb> i see your problem
2017-08-08T19:00:55 < englishman> hater
2017-08-08T19:01:51 < englishman> bartekww, this project by local chatter emeb does exactly that using older, but similar stdperiphlib https://github.com/emeb/lightshow
2017-08-08T19:03:48 < bartekww> englishman: thanks
2017-08-08T19:03:55 < bartekww> Laurenceb: what is wrong with CubeMX
2017-08-08T19:09:45 < bartekww> englishman: but i want to bitbang using gpio not timer
2017-08-08T19:10:22 < englishman> you said dma
2017-08-08T19:11:23 < englishman> maybe you should explain what you actually want to do
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2017-08-08T19:16:39 < emeb> since gpio has no way to request data from DMA you need to trigger it by some mechanism - a timer is a good option.
2017-08-08T19:17:05 < emeb> so you set up a timer to generate a DMA request, then set the DMA channel to output to the GPIO ODR
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2017-08-08T19:23:26 < bartekww> emeb: englishman: 4uS timer triggers dma to send one bit of data (UART 250k)
2017-08-08T19:23:48 < bartekww> but i don't get how to set only one pin using ODR
2017-08-08T19:26:00 < karlp> use BSRR instead then.
2017-08-08T19:27:13 < bartekww> ODR set whole port, yup?
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2017-08-08T19:32:17 < karlp> whatever the ref man says it does.
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2017-08-08T21:19:14 < jpa-> hmph, i wonder why i can't get ETM trace working on STM32F407
2017-08-08T21:19:21 < jpa-> nothing comes out; ITM trace works fine
2017-08-08T21:20:14 < jpa-> great, thanks for help, now it works
2017-08-08T21:21:36 < jpa-> i think my ETM port size was wrong or something..
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2017-08-08T21:44:00 < Steffanx> Is your port size correct jpa-?
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2017-08-08T21:47:26 < jpa-> yeah, i didn't realize my port was "1" instead of "0"
2017-08-08T21:47:37 < jpa-> while it is pretty obvious in retrospect
2017-08-08T21:47:58 < jpa-> also, i need more ram
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2017-08-08T21:50:54 < Steffanx> spi ram. AVR dudes do it.
2017-08-08T21:51:40 < jpa-> i doubt it would help with pulseview, it's already using 8GB
2017-08-08T21:52:14 < Steffanx> "open sores" then
2017-08-08T21:55:28 < Steffanx> but really, what the main "taker of RAM" here jpa-? The raw data?
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2017-08-08T22:07:49 < jpa-> Steffanx: dunno really.. i assume it tries to cache everything to be faster.. but that just ends up being slow
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2017-08-08T22:40:43 < tpw_rules> put swap on a ramdrive
2017-08-08T22:41:40 < tpw_rules> what os are you on
2017-08-08T22:41:44 < tpw_rules> get one that does compressed ram
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2017-08-08T22:53:02 < jpa-> err.. great way to waste a few hours
2017-08-08T22:53:36 < jpa-> looks like if you accidentally set a breakpoint in the middle of a branch instruction, it will not hit the breakpoint but instead it will silently jump into a wrong address:  http://paste.dy.fi/uUX/plain
2017-08-08T23:05:50 < Steffanx> lol whops
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2017-08-08T23:46:08 < Steffanx> How do you get to the last part jpa-? The 10 being the branch, 12 bits missing => 3 bytes corrupted (??)
2017-08-08T23:46:45 < Steffanx> *the fist 10 bits being the upper part of the branch offset
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2017-08-08T23:48:43 < Stm32Newbie> Hello everybody
2017-08-08T23:49:00 < englishman> hello newbie
2017-08-08T23:49:04 < Steffanx> Waffle time!
2017-08-08T23:49:13 < englishman> welcome to the best chat channel for stm32 and related autistic screeching
2017-08-08T23:49:29 < Stm32Newbie> Thank you very much ...
2017-08-08T23:49:41 < Steffanx> and stroopwaffles. englishman dont forget the most important thing
2017-08-08T23:49:50 < englishman> oh yes
2017-08-08T23:49:51 < Stm32Newbie> I have bought an eval STM32F103C8T6
2017-08-08T23:49:55 < englishman> and adult-onset diabetes
2017-08-08T23:50:00 < Stm32Newbie> stroopwaffles .. sounds Dutch
2017-08-08T23:50:14 < Stm32Newbie> (stroopwafels here)
2017-08-08T23:50:36 < englishman> already fitting right in
2017-08-08T23:50:53 < Stm32Newbie> I tried several things so far, but I'm not sure if my program works, my ST link is not connected correctly or some other (stupid?) error or thing I forgot.
2017-08-08T23:51:34 < Stm32Newbie> I even made a post of it (https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/322789/openocd-child-process-termination-wrong-device-detected) ... but now I can upload (at least it says it uploaded) but I don't see any LED blinking
2017-08-08T23:52:07 < Stm32Newbie> and on internet there are many variations of an IDE, STLink, STM32 boards etc.
2017-08-08T23:53:24 < Stm32Newbie> so if someoneone could 'talk me through' it would be nice (waiting for an answer at electronics.stackexchange every time cost one day approximately)
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2017-08-08T23:55:12 < Stm32Newbie> Too much text ?
2017-08-08T23:55:49 < Steffanx>     GPIO_Init(GPIOB, &gpio); <- you enable the clock for C, but you use GPIO B there?
2017-08-08T23:56:02 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: timeout waiting for target halted sounds like your reset line is stuck low for whatever reason.
2017-08-08T23:56:02 < Steffanx> that might be why it doesnt blink
2017-08-08T23:56:13 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: what debug interface are you using?
2017-08-08T23:56:20 < Stm32Newbie> I have an stlink
2017-08-08T23:56:30 < PaulFertser> Original?
2017-08-08T23:56:42 < Stm32Newbie> From aliexpress
2017-08-08T23:57:02 < PaulFertser> Why you do not connect reset but you specify srst_only connect_assert_srst ?
2017-08-08T23:57:05 < Steffanx> PaulFertser he has a pic of in his stack exchange post. Its one of those tiny usb stick-ish programmers
2017-08-08T23:57:06 < PaulFertser> You shouldn't be doing that
2017-08-08T23:58:07 < Stm32Newbie> ehmm I didn't connect reset (I did afterwards, but didn't make any difference)
2017-08-08T23:58:13 < Stm32Newbie> I fixed the program ... let me check
2017-08-08T23:58:50 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: fake stlinks often have reset disfunctional anyway.
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2017-08-09T00:00:22 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: I'd try without reset, and without srst_only in config.
2017-08-09T00:00:53 < Stm32Newbie> ok ... where can I find srst_only?
2017-08-09T00:01:02 < PaulFertser> In your openocd config :)
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2017-08-09T00:02:25 < Stm32Newbie> sorry I'm also new to the openocd IDE
2017-08-09T00:03:08 < Stm32Newbie> Is srst_only somewhere in my run configuration tabs?
2017-08-09T00:03:20 < Steffanx> No its in the config you posted on stackexchange
2017-08-09T00:03:35 < PaulFertser> I have no idea about how your IDE generates OpenOCD config.
2017-08-09T00:03:54 < Stm32Newbie> ah ok ... the Test1 debug.cfg file
2017-08-09T00:04:06 < Stm32Newbie> and set CONNECT_UNDER_REST 1 is ok?
2017-08-09T00:04:59 < Stm32Newbie> I s5t6ill get the error TARGET: STM32F103C8Tx.cpu - Not halted
2017-08-09T00:05:06 < Stm32Newbie> and Unable to reset target
2017-08-09T00:06:00 < Steffanx> Might it be overwriting the config, it seems from the screenshot you posted it's auto-generated.
2017-08-09T00:06:04 < Steffanx> ?
2017-08-09T00:06:08 < PaulFertser> You should not lie to OpenOCD. Currently you tell it you have srst connected (by "srst_only") when in fact you do not. And you probably can't do it with fake stlink.
2017-08-09T00:07:20 < Stm32Newbie> If I comment out reset_config srst only, it automatically removes the comment symbol after saving/running
2017-08-09T00:07:52 < Stm32Newbie> It's generated, I have to find out where the 'source' is
2017-08-09T00:12:26 < PaulFertser> Somewhere in your IDE GUI configuration tabs.
2017-08-09T00:13:07 < Stm32Newbie> searching ...
2017-08-09T00:15:46 < Stm32Newbie> I found something... I can select between reset mode:
2017-08-09T00:15:48 < Stm32Newbie> - Connect under rest
2017-08-09T00:15:54 < Stm32Newbie> - Hardware reset
2017-08-09T00:16:00 < Stm32Newbie> - Software system reset
2017-08-09T00:16:05 < Stm32Newbie> What to chose :-) ?
2017-08-09T00:16:36 < Stm32Newbie> Probably hardware reset
2017-08-09T00:16:45 < invzim> is the the usb stick thingie?
2017-08-09T00:16:58 < Stm32Newbie> sorry?
2017-08-09T00:17:02 < invzim> your programmer
2017-08-09T00:17:04 < invzim> stlink
2017-08-09T00:17:11 < Stm32Newbie> it's a usb stick kin dof thing
2017-08-09T00:17:22 < Stm32Newbie> with 10 male pins
2017-08-09T00:17:25 < invzim> I'm pretty sure it doesn't to hardware reset
2017-08-09T00:17:48 < invzim> I struggled a bit with it
2017-08-09T00:18:30 < Stm32Newbie> ok than I keep it with the original option: Connect under reset
2017-08-09T00:18:31 < invzim> reset_config srst_nogate
2017-08-09T00:18:38 < invzim> is what I have in my openocd config
2017-08-09T00:19:15 < Stm32Newbie> PaulFertser asked me to get the line removed in the configuration file: reset _config srst_only srst_nogate, but no clue where to find it
2017-08-09T00:19:37 < invzim> pita to set this up
2017-08-09T00:19:50 < invzim> https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32
2017-08-09T00:19:59 < invzim> helped me to get the basics going
2017-08-09T00:20:06 < invzim> well worth the money
2017-08-09T00:20:34 < Stm32Newbie> yes that might be useful indeed
2017-08-09T00:20:35 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: no, you shouldn't choose hardware reset!
2017-08-09T00:20:44 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: choose software system reset
2017-08-09T00:20:46 < Stm32Newbie> (I reverted it back to Connect under reset)
2017-08-09T00:20:53 < Stm32Newbie> oh ok
2017-08-09T00:21:20 < Stm32Newbie> ah now it says reset_config none
2017-08-09T00:21:35 < Stm32Newbie> Yes, I am further
2017-08-09T00:21:41 < Stm32Newbie> can I paste some output here?
2017-08-09T00:21:45 < Stm32Newbie> (like 10 lines)
2017-08-09T00:22:28 < Stm32Newbie> (I hope I will not get banned)
2017-08-09T00:22:30 < Stm32Newbie> ** Verify Started **
2017-08-09T00:22:30 < Stm32Newbie> STM32F103C8Tx.cpu: target state: halted
2017-08-09T00:22:30 < Stm32Newbie> target halted due to breakpoint, current mode: Thread
2017-08-09T00:22:30 < Stm32Newbie> xPSR: 0x61000000 pc: 0x2000002e msp: 0x20005000
2017-08-09T00:22:30 < Stm32Newbie> STM32F103C8Tx.cpu: target state: halted
2017-08-09T00:22:30 < Stm32Newbie> target halted due to breakpoint, current mode: Thread
2017-08-09T00:22:30 < Stm32Newbie> xPSR: 0x61000000 pc: 0x2000002e msp: 0x20005000
2017-08-09T00:22:31 < Stm32Newbie> verified 3036 bytes in 0.130522s (22.715 KiB/s)
2017-08-09T00:22:31 < Stm32Newbie> ** Verified OK **
2017-08-09T00:22:32 < Stm32Newbie> ** Resetting Target **
2017-08-09T00:22:32 < Stm32Newbie> adapter speed: 950 kHz
2017-08-09T00:22:33 < Stm32Newbie> shutdown command invoked
2017-08-09T00:22:50 < Stm32Newbie> -> So this seems ok, I pressed the reset (RST) button on the board, but I don't see any LED blinking
2017-08-09T00:23:55 < Stm32Newbie> but it seems the program is flashed
2017-08-09T00:25:35 < Stm32Newbie> I can even debug / step through it :-) ... but not a blinking LED
2017-08-09T00:27:46 < Stm32Newbie> Yes ! it works
2017-08-09T00:28:19 < Stm32Newbie> It seems the builtin LED is on when the LED connected to PC13 is HIGH, but that's ok
2017-08-09T00:28:44 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: yes
2017-08-09T00:28:49 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: congrats, heh
2017-08-09T00:28:58 < Stm32Newbie> Probably the builtin led is on when LOW and off when HIGH
2017-08-09T00:29:00 < PaulFertser> Stm32Newbie: please do not paste that much again.
2017-08-09T00:29:07 < Stm32Newbie> ok sorry
2017-08-09T00:29:37 < PaulFertser> The led on "blue pill" is PC13, active low.
2017-08-09T00:29:40 < Stm32Newbie> The first time in my life I debug a microcontroller
2017-08-09T00:30:01 < Stm32Newbie> Mine is probably exactly like the blue pill (except with some more extras around it)
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2017-08-09T00:31:30 < Stm32Newbie> I hope I can help others as well here (eventually)
2017-08-09T00:33:20 < Steffannn> Nspyre is see. Stm32Newbie. I once had a job interview there.
2017-08-09T00:33:46 < Steffannn> Oh i see they changes their name, again -_-
2017-08-09T00:33:58 < Steffannn> Changed*
2017-08-09T00:35:37 < comptroller> Stm32Newbie, I'm just curious, which IDE are you using?
2017-08-09T00:37:06 < Stm32Newbie> Nspyre? how you know (?)
2017-08-09T00:37:21 < Stm32Newbie> Yes we're now Altran
2017-08-09T00:37:44 < Stm32Newbie> Eclipse IDE: System Workbench
2017-08-09T00:37:49 < Stm32Newbie> Also called OpenSTM32 I think
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2017-08-09T00:41:15 < Steffannn> Your stackexchange profile Stm32Newbie ;)
2017-08-09T00:41:47 < Stm32Newbie> ah of course :-)
2017-08-09T00:41:58 < Stm32Newbie> I should update it if Nspyre is still mentioned
2017-08-09T00:42:04 < Stm32Newbie> you are Dutch I assume?
2017-08-09T00:42:55 < Stm32Newbie> although this STM32 is my 'hobby project', or at least to check if it will be
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2017-08-09T01:31:21 < dongs> sup doges
2017-08-09T01:34:31 < dongs> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/vgm/d/unlimited-supply-of-nintendo/6247536526.html
2017-08-09T01:34:34 < dongs> haha
2017-08-09T01:34:38 < dongs> attn R2COM
2017-08-09T01:41:30 < tpw_rules> lol what
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2017-08-09T01:58:22 < Rob235> hi peeps
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2017-08-09T02:22:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gqGGQ1T.jpg lelw
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2017-08-09T02:43:18 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/08/firefighters_suspected_of_starting_fires_in_italy/ lol
2017-08-09T02:44:53 < Laurenceb> >Italians
2017-08-09T02:45:21 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/thumb/5bfc9e0796/36065_md.jpg
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2017-08-09T02:49:38 < Laurenceb> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/113523/what-exactly-does-otg-fs-sof-do-is-it-vital-or-imperative-to-usb-host-mode
2017-08-09T02:49:43 < Laurenceb> lul top answer
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2017-08-09T02:59:17 < dongs> such a neat pin!
2017-08-09T03:04:57 < englishman> r2com is in trouble http://www.newschannel5.com/news/man-plays-video-game-with-loaded-gun-on-his-lap-it-fires-into-neighbors-apartment
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2017-08-09T03:16:39 < Laurenceb> just thought of an issue I hadn't considered
2017-08-09T03:16:50 < Laurenceb> I need to synchronise all my sensors
2017-08-09T03:19:19 < Laurenceb> some sort of PLL onto SOF at the devices I guess
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2017-08-09T03:28:59 < Laurenceb> would help if Invensense explained how FSYNC works
2017-08-09T03:31:12 < ds2> what sensors need syncing?
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2017-08-09T03:43:42 < Thorn> okwtf the failed drive had 230 pending sectors. badblocks is 94% done and the drive is down to 22 pending sectors and only 2 are reallocated
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2017-08-09T03:44:30 < Thorn> can I still use it for something noncritical
2017-08-09T03:45:07 < Thorn> oh and no new sata errors in dmesg since badblocks started
2017-08-09T03:46:24 < Rob235> hmm 10 pcs 10k trimmer pot for $3.00 USA seller or 100 pcs for $5.32 china...
2017-08-09T03:46:56 < Thorn> multi-turn?
2017-08-09T03:47:23 < Rob235> whaz that
2017-08-09T03:47:30 < Thorn> I bought some on aliexpress, the mechanics seems faulty
2017-08-09T03:47:53 < Rob235> its these RM065 things
2017-08-09T03:48:00 < Thorn> http://img.bhs4.com/3e/b/3eb906725edb9d48b3282d751af4c674e14cd27a_large.jpg
2017-08-09T03:48:12 < Thorn> except not Bourns l0l
2017-08-09T03:48:35 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100PCS-10K-Ohm-Trimmer-Trim-Pot-Variable-Resistor-Potentiometer-6mm-RM065-103-/152154472195
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2017-08-09T03:53:47 < Laurenceb> ds2: multiple accelerometers
2017-08-09T03:54:02 < Laurenceb> looks like invensense FSYNC is a simple stamping input
2017-08-09T03:54:04 < Laurenceb> annoying
2017-08-09T03:55:15  * Laurenceb zzz
2017-08-09T03:58:39 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HELLOYEE-10K-Ohm-Breadboard-Trim-Potentiometer-With-Knob-For-Arduino-/172709348004
2017-08-09T03:58:44 < Rob235> those are kinda cool
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2017-08-09T03:59:08 < Rob235> expensive though
2017-08-09T03:59:18 < Rob235> not worth the price for something you only set once (for the most part)
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2017-08-09T03:59:44 < dongs> Rob235: ... youve never seen a potentiometer?
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2017-08-09T04:00:17 < Rob235> just looking for some trimpots, seeing whats out there
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2017-08-09T04:04:40 < Rob235> I had to take a intro to 3d printing course at the library today, it was incredibly useless
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2017-08-09T04:56:06 < dongs> what hte fuck
2017-08-09T04:56:13 < dongs> Tectu's keyboard doesn't do shift-z
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2017-08-09T05:53:09 < englishman> dongs my 5v chink psu for ipad monitors just blew the FUCK up
2017-08-09T05:53:16 < englishman> good thing im still at the office holy fuck
2017-08-09T05:53:29 < englishman> made a bang
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2017-08-09T06:18:16 < dongs> nice
2017-08-09T06:24:57 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw&feature=youtu.be&t=58
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2017-08-09T07:04:50 < goga> Hi all. Need help about sources for stm32 framework/runtime(?). Problem: got libs for stm32 (GLCD, v2.0 from 2011-3-29) for HY32D display with 16-bit parallel interface. Trying to convert libs to lua for esp32s. Line GLCD.c:153 "    value = GPIO_ReadInputData(GPIOE);" - where I can find definition of used function?
2017-08-09T07:08:17 < dongs> what
2017-08-09T07:08:20 < dongs> isnt it obvious as fuck
2017-08-09T07:08:31 < dongs> it reads entire GPIOE
2017-08-09T07:08:38 < dongs> so it will return 16 bits
2017-08-09T07:08:56 < dongs> GPIOE Pin_0, _1, _2 etc as bits 0..1..2.. etc
2017-08-09T07:09:20 < goga> So... It's Reads 16 pins, converts binary to hex and returning it?
2017-08-09T07:09:36 < dongs> wot
2017-08-09T07:10:10 < dongs> it returns which pins are high or low on port E
2017-08-09T07:10:36 < goga> Thank you.
2017-08-09T07:10:38 < dongs> so if you have pins 0, 3, 5 high, readdata will return 0b...0101000
2017-08-09T07:10:48 < dongs> er
2017-08-09T07:10:50 < dongs> so if you have pins 0, 3, 5 high, readdata will return 0b...0101001
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2017-08-09T07:30:13 < dongs> yeah same like i did on my shittyflasher
2017-08-09T07:30:18 < dongs> wrap it around pcb and solder
2017-08-09T07:30:38 < dongs> apparently people use a "hotbar" or something to do it all at once
2017-08-09T07:31:40 < dongs> no
2017-08-09T07:31:50 < dongs> i just handsolder regularly
2017-08-09T07:31:54 < dongs> i put some solder on 1st and last contact
2017-08-09T07:32:01 < dongs> tap those first while holding shit fixed in place
2017-08-09T07:32:03 < dongs> then do the rest of pins
2017-08-09T07:34:57 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-08-09T07:35:00 < dongs> youtube is cucked
2017-08-09T07:35:06 < dongs> uploading a 7meg file
2017-08-09T07:35:10 < dongs> 1 hour remaining what
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2017-08-09T08:47:20 < sync> R2COMmie, the black thing ia the handle for the protective film
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2017-08-09T09:08:00 < Rob235> what are the speed gains of using sdio vs spi for a micro sd card
2017-08-09T09:13:00 < emeb_mac> should be significantly faster.
2017-08-09T09:13:07 < emeb_mac> 4x wider data bus
2017-08-09T09:13:23 < emeb_mac> clock can run faster too
2017-08-09T09:13:42 < emeb_mac> but I've never compared it apples 2 apples
2017-08-09T09:13:50 < Rob235> hrmm
2017-08-09T09:20:14 < dongs> sdio is always better
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2017-08-09T10:56:01 < ohsix> lulbunz
2017-08-09T10:56:13 < ohsix> board games are kewl
2017-08-09T10:56:25 < ohsix> people bring random shit they have and some of it is great
2017-08-09T10:59:22 < ohsix> tectu's keyboard? did he sell some?
2017-08-09T10:59:29 < ohsix> he/they
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2017-08-09T11:09:27 < ohsix> eh so
2017-08-09T11:09:57 < ohsix> i need a little shell on a serial port, something with a simple line editor; basically going to have a menu and collect 5 text strings for stuff
2017-08-09T11:10:27 < ohsix> i found some neat shit referred to as a shell,  but it was literally like bash, an interpreter and some builtins
2017-08-09T11:10:39 < zyp> ohsix, I wrote a simple shell last week
2017-08-09T11:10:40 < ohsix> is there a well known one?
2017-08-09T11:10:57 < ohsix> oh i had a flash of realization earlier when i was driving someone elses car
2017-08-09T11:11:34 < ohsix> code reuse. it feels unethical to charge money when coming up to speed on some established code (that is free or whatever) and my hypothesis is that it is a big reason why people don't reuse code
2017-08-09T11:11:53 < ohsix> they get paid to write new code, and the alternative feels bad
2017-08-09T11:12:16 < ohsix> it is relevant to this heheh
2017-08-09T11:12:22 < ohsix> zyp: how does it collect input?
2017-08-09T11:12:48 < ohsix> i guess if i just had a simple line editor and cursor movements, i don't need anything else; i can just dump the menu out & current values
2017-08-09T11:13:40 < ohsix> https://github.com/Helius/microrl o shi, embedded readline might be the power phrase
2017-08-09T11:14:00 < ohsix> even does tab completion hehe
2017-08-09T11:14:07 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/UWMmr <- here's the basic shit
2017-08-09T11:14:28 < zyp> it doesn't have line editing or history yet, but that shouldn't be too much work to add
2017-08-09T11:14:29 < ohsix> ah linenoise too; i even knew about that one
2017-08-09T11:14:36 < ohsix> nice
2017-08-09T11:14:54 < ohsix> i'm hoping this menu can stay in the final product, but for now it is just to configure shit without needing a special program
2017-08-09T11:15:29 < ohsix> good place to stuff a software reset command so i don't have to press the button to test, too
2017-08-09T11:15:49 < ohsix> what rtos are you using?
2017-08-09T11:16:00 < zyp> freertos for now
2017-08-09T11:17:05 < ohsix> sweet
2017-08-09T11:17:14 < ohsix> got some stuff to evaluate tomorrow
2017-08-09T11:17:25 < zyp> will probably switch to safertos or some shit at some point, since the end product will probably need to go through safety certifications and shit
2017-08-09T11:18:02 < zyp> safertos seems to be pretty much a drop in replacement for freertos, so I figure I just focus on getting shit working with freertos for now
2017-08-09T11:18:13 < ohsix> werd
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2017-08-09T11:19:31 < zyp> I wrote the shell because I wanted an easy way to call various functions while testing
2017-08-09T11:19:36 < ohsix> i was going to write one but if i did i couldn't not add cursor movements and shit
2017-08-09T11:19:46 < ohsix> using gdb?
2017-08-09T11:19:46 < zyp> and also collect diagnostics and shit
2017-08-09T11:19:59 < zyp> no, through the shell
2017-08-09T11:20:01 < ohsix> i use gdb for the function-calling stuff
2017-08-09T11:20:04 < ohsix> right
2017-08-09T11:21:12 < ohsix> there's a fork of qemu that has the memorymapping for stm32 and i've used that to test stuff too. if you jump in with the debugger it'll copy the function and run it right there
2017-08-09T11:21:31 < ohsix> k better sleep, bbl
2017-08-09T11:22:18 < zyp> well, I want to be able to do that without interrupting the running system
2017-08-09T11:22:55 < zyp> like, having some tasks running and then feeding data into a queue, so I can check that it's being processed correctly
2017-08-09T11:31:56 < zyp> wtf
2017-08-09T11:32:06 < zyp> "CortexR4: Loader: One or more sections of your program falls into a memory region that is not writable.  These regions will not actually be written to the target.  Check your linker configuration and/or memory map."
2017-08-09T11:32:44 < zyp> it's not overflowing flash, and I haven't changed anything related to memory map
2017-08-09T11:34:06 < zyp> uh, flashing a different binary I built before also fails
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2017-08-09T12:00:06 < Steffanx> Hell yeah
2017-08-09T12:12:55 < karlp> zyp: whats the form feed handling in your shell trying to do?
2017-08-09T12:13:29 < karlp> it appears to be making multiline inputs or something, with \0 separators within your cmd_buf, but how does a user even enter a \f?
2017-08-09T12:13:35 < karlp> and why reprint the cmd?
2017-08-09T12:13:57 < zyp> ever pressed ctrl-l in a shell?
2017-08-09T12:14:02 < karlp> not that I recall?
2017-08-09T12:14:07 < zyp> try it :)
2017-08-09T12:14:31 < karlp> huh, odd.
2017-08-09T12:14:39 < zyp> ctrl-l is \f
2017-08-09T12:14:59 < zyp> I handle it by letting it through, then reprinting prompt with current cmd buffer
2017-08-09T12:15:39 < karlp> yeah, the non-increment cmd_len is cute to let it keep editing after teh reprint
2017-08-09T12:15:50 < karlp> seems.... pointless on a line based thingy though, but ok :)
2017-08-09T12:16:16 < zyp> I use ctrl-l to clear the screen all the time
2017-08-09T12:16:23 < karlp> oh, it prints the \f though for the remote side to interpret as the screen clear
2017-08-09T12:16:36 < zyp> yes
2017-08-09T12:17:05 < karlp> your shell_put/get are tied to a freertos fifo or something for the hardware right? (and then retargetable to uart/telnet etc I guess)
2017-08-09T12:18:24 < zyp> that's the intention
2017-08-09T12:19:11 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/n2nF5 <- right now I'm just using dumb blocking calls
2017-08-09T12:19:47 < zyp> but I'm planning to hook up a fifo so the thread can sleep when it's not doing anything useful
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2017-08-09T12:20:31 < zyp> before I do that, I want to get the task cpu stats in place so I can watch the difference when I add it :)
2017-08-09T12:21:17 < zyp> ideally I should have that in place now, but somehow the IDE totally broke
2017-08-09T12:21:58 < karlp> sci?
2017-08-09T12:22:06 < zyp> TI's name for uart
2017-08-09T12:22:15 < karlp> serail comm interface or something I gues.
2017-08-09T12:22:26 < karlp> how are you going to do the cpu stats? using freertos's hooks for it?
2017-08-09T12:22:37 < karlp> they left it all pretty bare, they're trying to sell their other components for it aren't they?
2017-08-09T12:23:07 < zyp> http://www.freertos.org/rtos-run-time-stats.html <- this stuff
2017-08-09T12:25:27 < zyp> karlp, oh btw, here's a fun one: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/js3sK
2017-08-09T12:26:18 < zyp> intended for use in shell functions that monitors stuff until interrupted, i.e. while(!shell_sigint())
2017-08-09T12:26:23 < zyp> e.g. top
2017-08-09T12:26:44 < zyp> or stuff that monitors queues or similar
2017-08-09T12:26:54 < karlp> cute.
2017-08-09T12:27:09 < karlp> eventually becomes a fifo peek call instead of a get call I guess too.
2017-08-09T12:27:14 < zyp> yep
2017-08-09T12:27:32 < karlp> ahhh, greenfields development...
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2017-08-09T12:29:16 < zyp> apparently I broke code composer studio completely, now it even refuses to start
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2017-08-09T14:14:31 < Laurenceb> I used to trim to avoid the hygiene problem but now I nourish and culture the gamey, meaty scent of my tache
2017-08-09T14:16:33 < zyp> ok
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2017-08-09T15:22:34 < dongs> haha someone ~seriously~ linked me mechaduino today
2017-08-09T15:22:46 < dongs> and not as a "ha ha look at these clowns"
2017-08-09T15:31:37 < Thorn> >420 backers pledged $64,169
2017-08-09T15:31:41 < Thorn> >clowns
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2017-08-09T16:04:39 < Getty> 420 backers?
2017-08-09T16:12:25 < tpw_rules> wait how tf does the encoder work
2017-08-09T16:13:27 < tpw_rules> also this doesn't seem particularly bad
2017-08-09T16:14:03 < tpw_rules> it at least works, probably
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2017-08-09T16:25:31 < zyp> tpw_rules, hall sensor sensing a magnet on the shaft, looks like
2017-08-09T16:26:29 < zyp> that's why there's a magnet included with each board
2017-08-09T16:26:54 < tpw_rules> i mean but like is all you have to do just stick the magnet to it
2017-08-09T16:27:22 < zyp> yes, and the encoder will measure absolute angle from direction of the flux
2017-08-09T16:27:30 < tpw_rules> neato
2017-08-09T16:27:52 < tpw_rules> will it also do step/dir output?
2017-08-09T16:28:29 < zyp> the project I'm working on involves a similar sensor, but as an industrial package rather than an SMT chip
2017-08-09T16:29:29 < tpw_rules> like that would be nice for low speed operation, but when the motor is turning at 2000RPM i can't read the position that fast
2017-08-09T16:30:59 < tpw_rules> ah yes it looks like
2017-08-09T16:31:01 < tpw_rules> hmmmmmmmmmm
2017-08-09T16:31:20 < tpw_rules> mmmmmm
2017-08-09T16:33:28 < zyp> I don't think the purpose of servos are to turn at 2000RPM anyway :)
2017-08-09T16:34:05 < tpw_rules> yeah but i have a project for which this would be perfect
2017-08-09T16:34:12 < tpw_rules> and according to the datasheet it goes up to 14500 rpm :D
2017-08-09T16:34:29 < zyp> datasheet of what, the sensor?
2017-08-09T16:34:37 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-08-09T16:34:47 < tpw_rules> no i mean i'd put it on my own board
2017-08-09T16:34:49 < zyp> that's not the bottleneck
2017-08-09T16:35:09 < tpw_rules> i don't want to use it for a servo
2017-08-09T16:35:28 < zyp> or rather, RPM isn't the bottleneck, commutation events are
2017-08-09T16:35:40 < tpw_rules> what do you mean>
2017-08-09T16:35:51 < tpw_rules> the commutation spikes become too much and swamp out the field?
2017-08-09T16:36:28 < zyp> if you're timing the commutation events from the angle measurements, you have to sample the sensor an order of magnitude faster than the commutation events for any usable precision
2017-08-09T16:37:38 < tpw_rules> i'm still not sure what you mean
2017-08-09T16:37:56 < zyp> well, consider a typical stepper with 200 steps per rotation
2017-08-09T16:39:23 < zyp> at 60RPM, that'll have 200 commutation events per second, assuming you're not doing microstepping
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2017-08-09T17:09:16 < invzim> tool soup, whatæs the difference/relation between BSP and HAL functions?
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2017-08-09T17:24:11 < tpw_rules> hal supports the chip, bsp supports the board the chip is on
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2017-08-09T18:01:32 < jadew> bug #13 took 5 fucking days of intensive coding to fix
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2017-08-09T18:01:56 < jadew> and I thought I was done after the first 10 minutes
2017-08-09T18:02:12 < tpw_rules> what was it
2017-08-09T18:02:21 < dongs> he installed lunix
2017-08-09T18:02:28 < dongs> then spent 5 days trying to get rid of it
2017-08-09T18:02:39 < tpw_rules> that was #13?
2017-08-09T18:02:42 < tpw_rules> that's usually #1 for me
2017-08-09T18:02:52 < jadew> no, I'm still stuck on my website, building some component, it was an incompatibiltiy between browsers
2017-08-09T18:03:02 < tpw_rules> the web is bad
2017-08-09T18:03:15 < jadew> I had to parse and recompose the CSS myself in order to figure out what style is being applied on an element
2017-08-09T18:03:34 < jadew> but of course, I didn't know I'd have to do that when I started fixing the bug
2017-08-09T18:03:59 < tpw_rules> it follows from knowing you're working with the web
2017-08-09T18:04:26 < jadew> yeah, the w3c guys made some huge mistakes over the years
2017-08-09T18:04:28 < jadew> this was one of them
2017-08-09T18:04:35 < jadew> MS had this right since IE6
2017-08-09T18:04:50 < jadew> but they came up with a different way, that's useless for pretty much anything
2017-08-09T18:05:12 < jadew> and ignored MS's way, so now not even MS implements the old and correct way of doing things
2017-08-09T18:05:29 < tpw_rules> google is the new ms
2017-08-09T18:06:19 < jadew> it sure feels that way
2017-08-09T18:06:31 < tpw_rules> i've got a friend that does that
2017-08-09T18:06:44 < jadew> that does what?
2017-08-09T18:06:45 < tpw_rules> i daily firefox and any time something is broken it's cause i should be using chrome cause it follows the standard
2017-08-09T18:07:09 < tpw_rules> and never cause chrome does something a specific, stupid way
2017-08-09T18:07:44 < jadew> pretty sure this days when something breaks on a webpage is because the developer wasn't using that browser
2017-08-09T18:07:56 < tpw_rules> yeah and everyone uses chrome
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2017-08-09T18:08:08 < jadew> including with my issue, chrome sucked
2017-08-09T18:08:10 < tpw_rules> my theory is that it is broken but they just don't care
2017-08-09T18:08:24 < jadew> for example, I set a pixel width of 1px and it tells me it's 0.8
2017-08-09T18:08:25 < tpw_rules> like they're so used to everything being broken they simply can't notice
2017-08-09T18:08:36 < jadew> but if I zoom in and out it varies between 0.8 and 1.25 randomly
2017-08-09T18:08:47 < tpw_rules> and they're connected to the server with like 10GbE
2017-08-09T18:08:55 < jadew> so it's absolutely useless for setting a new pixel value based on that
2017-08-09T18:08:58 < tpw_rules> i hate computers
2017-08-09T18:09:23 < jadew> tpw_rules, that's possible too
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2017-08-09T18:09:39 < jadew> the bug I came across was reported 7 years ago
2017-08-09T18:09:42 < jadew> (the one in chrome)
2017-08-09T18:09:56 < tpw_rules> nice
2017-08-09T18:10:03 < jadew> well, actually it was another bug
2017-08-09T18:10:17 < jadew> they were returning the processed value and they shouldn't have
2017-08-09T18:10:20 < tpw_rules> would you like to live in a commune with me
2017-08-09T18:10:28 < tpw_rules> where all technology is banned
2017-08-09T18:10:30 < jadew> so to fix it, they multiplied that by some factor in order to return it
2017-08-09T18:10:38 < jadew> and someone even said that they're concerned about rounding issue
2017-08-09T18:10:41 < jadew> but nobody noticed
2017-08-09T18:10:50 < tpw_rules> s/noticed/cared/
2017-08-09T18:10:54 < jadew> now I get 1.00000000000091px pixel width
2017-08-09T18:11:20 < tpw_rules> good
2017-08-09T18:11:26 < jadew> or 0.8 in worst cases
2017-08-09T18:11:26 < tpw_rules> maybe you should just use int
2017-08-09T18:11:37 < tpw_rules> or i guess math.round cause ints aren't real
2017-08-09T18:11:48 < jadew> yeah, not a good solution in this case
2017-08-09T18:12:30 < tpw_rules> https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/mickens/files/towashitallaway.pdf
2017-08-09T18:12:45 < tpw_rules> my current problem is that google believes my computer is attacking them or something, and google literally told me they will not help
2017-08-09T18:12:48 < tpw_rules> it can't be fixed
2017-08-09T18:12:56 < tpw_rules> i'm resigned to filling out a capcha every hour for the rest of my life
2017-08-09T18:13:09 < jadew> maybe someone in your network is
2017-08-09T18:13:26 < tpw_rules> it's cause i proxy through my vps
2017-08-09T18:13:34 < jadew> or your browsing pattern is suspicious, they really are what everyone feared MS is
2017-08-09T18:13:46 < tpw_rules> and its ip got put on the list of known vpses or something
2017-08-09T18:13:53 < tpw_rules> like i've put wireshark on it lol
2017-08-09T18:13:55 < jpa-> tpw_rules: did you try signing in to google?
2017-08-09T18:13:59 < tpw_rules> yup
2017-08-09T18:14:02 < tpw_rules> i'm always signed in
2017-08-09T18:14:37 < tpw_rules> same account i've had for a decade
2017-08-09T18:14:41 < dongs> why teh fuck would you go through the trouble of "proxying"
2017-08-09T18:14:47 < dongs> sounds like unnecessary step
2017-08-09T18:14:54 < tpw_rules> cause sometimes i don't trust the lan :P
2017-08-09T18:15:01 < dongs> ooooooooookay
2017-08-09T18:15:07 < jadew> wife knows how to use wireshark too?
2017-08-09T18:15:11 < tpw_rules> like when i'm shitposting at my government job
2017-08-09T18:15:31 < tpw_rules> she doesn't use the vps
2017-08-09T18:15:38 < tpw_rules> nor do i have one
2017-08-09T18:15:46 < tpw_rules> but anyway yeah it's literally impossible to fix
2017-08-09T18:15:49 < tpw_rules> you must submit to the ai
2017-08-09T18:16:04 < tpw_rules> jadew: you might like that pdf
2017-08-09T18:16:43 < tpw_rules> but still even if i stopped proxying, it's forever blacklisted
2017-08-09T18:17:01 < tpw_rules> or "shortly after" is greater than six days
2017-08-09T18:17:42 < tpw_rules> best part is now i can't use any google services on the vps, cause their capcha isn't compatible with a tui
2017-08-09T18:21:12 < dongs> latvian shit landed in jp finally
2017-08-09T18:21:57 < jadew> tpw_rules, that document is funny and true
2017-08-09T18:25:06 < karlp> "We don’t repair Apple devices, since we are Apple certified and Apple doen’t allow that here in Iceland. What we do is that we switch out the phone for another one excactly the same"
2017-08-09T18:25:13 < karlp> weird phone repair industry
2017-08-09T18:25:17 < karlp> how bizarre
2017-08-09T18:25:51 < jadew> "which is why the price of repair is that of a new phone."
2017-08-09T18:25:57 < jadew> minus %10
2017-08-09T18:28:09 < karlp> found a different shop that will do it for way less.
2017-08-09T18:28:25 < jadew> "CSS is not so much a description of what your final page will look like, but rather a loose, high-level overview of what could happen to your page"
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2017-08-09T18:49:43 < karlp> hrm. my stm32l151c6t6 works, the l151c8t6-A doesn't.  weird garbage continuously on the trace output
2017-08-09T18:49:55 < karlp> time to look more closely at the errata again I guess.
2017-08-09T18:50:20 < karlp> fucking weird though, old one runs in bootloader, loads main app and works fine
2017-08-09T18:50:50 < karlp> new one runs in bootloader, loads main app and then just pretends to run, blinks leds, but doesn't answer modbus and has garbage repeating on the swo pin
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2017-08-09T19:56:10 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/uxpogeH.png
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2017-08-09T19:58:58 < jadew> lol
2017-08-09T19:59:25 < Steffanx> hm
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2017-08-09T20:50:54 < Getty> oh they are so proud in star trek of attaching a device to geordis visor so that they can see what he sees
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2017-08-09T20:57:45 < Steffanx> if only i ever cared about Star Trek.
2017-08-09T20:57:53 < Steffanx> The movies werent too bad though :P
2017-08-09T20:58:31 < Getty> did you ever tried watching DS9
2017-08-09T20:58:34 < Getty> ?
2017-08-09T20:58:46 < Steffanx> Nein
2017-08-09T20:58:51 < Getty> you should try it
2017-08-09T20:58:58 < Steffanx> No thanks.
2017-08-09T21:00:12 < Steffanx> I like Scifi, but i dislike the typical space fighting talking too much scifi like star trek.
2017-08-09T21:00:22 < Getty> thats why i told you: try DS9
2017-08-09T21:00:29 < Getty> it is not typical star trek
2017-08-09T21:00:36 < jadew> I'll try it
2017-08-09T21:00:40 < jadew> is it anything like star gate?
2017-08-09T21:00:47 < Steffanx> im biased, it has Star Trek in the name.
2017-08-09T21:00:55 < Getty> and in the complete 7 seasons i think you got like 4 or 5 space fights really (that were put in the classical star trek way)
2017-08-09T21:01:14 < Steffanx> damn, then it must to 99.9% useless conversations.
2017-08-09T21:01:17 < Getty> the complete rest of DS9 is like nothing a like the other Star Trek
2017-08-09T21:01:30 < Getty> oh its deep....
2017-08-09T21:01:39 < jadew> Steffanx, did you like stargate sg1?
2017-08-09T21:01:42 < Steffanx> pieeuw, pieeeuw, our shields are hoolding, fire back.. piieeuw pieeuw :D
2017-08-09T21:01:46 < Getty> i must admit, i needed to watch it a 2nd time to actually realize how good it is
2017-08-09T21:02:14 < Steffanx> not sure jadew.
2017-08-09T21:02:37 < Steffanx> i didnt watch it very often
2017-08-09T21:03:35 < Getty> yeah, thinking about it, SG1 is more Star Trek than DS9 is.....
2017-08-09T21:03:41 < Steffanx> is it really worth the 8.4 of imdb jadew?
2017-08-09T21:03:48 < Getty> yes
2017-08-09T21:03:54 < jadew> yeah
2017-08-09T21:03:54 < Getty> i watched SG1 like 20-30 times
2017-08-09T21:03:55 < Getty> complete
2017-08-09T21:04:05 < Getty> the only thing i watched more often is law and order ;)
2017-08-09T21:04:06 < jadew> yeah, I watched it a couple of times too
2017-08-09T21:04:13 < jadew> you should start with the movie tho
2017-08-09T21:04:22 < Getty> jadew: and let me guess, time loop episode your favorite? ;)
2017-08-09T21:04:23 < jadew> the one from '94
2017-08-09T21:04:26 < Getty> fuck the movie
2017-08-09T21:04:29 < Steffanx> wtf Getty. how. on. earth. you do that.
2017-08-09T21:04:33 < jadew> Getty, oh yeah, that one was great
2017-08-09T21:05:03 < Getty> Steffanx: how on earth you could not do that ;)
2017-08-09T21:05:14 < Steffanx> I enjoyed Fringe very much and watched it 3 times
2017-08-09T21:05:18 < Steffanx> but 20-30 times?! DAMN
2017-08-09T21:06:22 < Steffanx> I once tried to watch Breaking bad again. After the first episode i wondered how i made it through the entire series.
2017-08-09T21:06:36 < Getty> well i did enjoyed breaking bad way more as SG1 but i only watched it 3 times complete through and can't even watch single episodes these days
2017-08-09T21:06:50 < Getty> its kinda related to the series
2017-08-09T21:07:21 < Getty> SG1 is kinda part of a feeling that makes you feel good, its a nice show that doesn't stress you out and still is not so "comical" as star trek
2017-08-09T21:07:39 < Getty> its a nice ride every episode and rewatching it doesnt change that ride
2017-08-09T21:07:48 < Getty> breaking bad was a ride out of the "what comes next?????"
2017-08-09T21:08:13 < Getty> game of thrones i can watch over and over again, cause its not really relevant who wins or how this all ends, it is only relevant WHAT happens
2017-08-09T21:08:23 < Getty> dragons!
2017-08-09T21:08:40 < Getty> fuckshit was that an AWESOME battle in the last episode
2017-08-09T21:10:05 < Steffanx> Wasnt one of the best episodes imho. Sure it was spectacular, but that was about it
2017-08-09T21:10:44 < jadew> yeah, it wasn't the best, but it was pretty good
2017-08-09T21:11:06 < Getty> the battle was epic
2017-08-09T21:11:21 < Getty> way way way better as the brothers
2017-08-09T21:11:36 < Getty> i mean why the hell they let them all go around? that all didnt made any sense
2017-08-09T21:11:44 < Getty> i mean battle of the bastards ;) not brothers lol
2017-08-09T21:11:59 < jadew> to have their backs covered
2017-08-09T21:12:02 < Getty> that was a pure disaster, it was a mess, after watching so many vikings battles i was near puking
2017-08-09T21:12:21 < Getty> jadew: they let them just go around them without any try to hold them back?
2017-08-09T21:12:31 < Getty> and wait till they built up the defence and the shields
2017-08-09T21:12:33 < Getty> before they react?
2017-08-09T21:12:40 < Getty> really?
2017-08-09T21:12:59 < jadew> I don't remember that battle too well
2017-08-09T21:13:03 < Getty> if so, then they must have been some braindamage aspect to those troops that wanst mentioned before ;)
2017-08-09T21:15:20 < Getty> the last episode had all elements of a good fight scene, there was no break with imaginary fight scenes, they were all put in proper context, the little details to explain why things are happening (like the carriage blocking the guy)
2017-08-09T21:15:31 < Getty> the only thing that bothered me was that no drukati was caring for the catapult
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2017-08-09T21:53:39 < englishman> fff, i'm so used to seeing this one design done by pro local fab, got one little batch from china and it looks like total ass
2017-08-09T22:04:59 < invzim> pixelated silk-screenand misaligned solder-mask?
2017-08-09T22:08:27 < Steffanx> Im still ok with my $2 chink pcbs :)
2017-08-09T22:11:50 < invzim> only ordered from europe once, and it was expensive and not so great
2017-08-09T22:15:41 < Steffanx> and the other times. china?
2017-08-09T22:15:53 < invzim> yeah, pcbcart and pcbway
2017-08-09T22:29:17 < Steffanx> who was the euro one? Eurocircuits?
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2017-08-09T22:31:52 < IvanL> Guys could someone help me with configuring ADC+DMA?
2017-08-09T22:32:26 < IvanL> Right now I'm getting 1 reading but it doesn't get updated
2017-08-09T22:35:11 < invzim> Steffanx: yup
2017-08-09T22:35:37 < invzim> IvanL: struggled with it to, it's on my todo list
2017-08-09T22:35:45 < invzim> fell back to just reading one channel via polling
2017-08-09T22:38:05 < invzim> HAL_SD_GetCardInfo returning right size of my microsd, so I must be doing something right
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2017-08-09T23:37:02 < invzim> hm, may be some stack/heap size issue thingie
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2017-08-10T00:01:42 < invzim> hm, f_mount returns FR_OK, f_open returns FR_NOT_READY
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2017-08-10T00:37:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaE8wN25WRHFEN28/view?usp=sharing project update
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2017-08-10T00:51:55 < kakimir> my first loss of control of glider on ground
2017-08-10T00:53:09 < zyp> fun
2017-08-10T00:53:18 < kakimir> type flight of new plane model for me
2017-08-10T00:53:40 < zyp> guess you need some more training :)
2017-08-10T00:54:08 < kakimir> instructor wanted me to land on gravel type of thing in case I hit the tail skid very hard to ground in landing
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2017-08-10T00:59:14 < invzim> yay, I can read a file \o/
2017-08-10T01:01:03 < kakimir> I came in too fast and plane went in jumpping.exe and jumped a bit sideways and failed to give corrective right foot down right away
2017-08-10T01:01:39 < kakimir> I failed*
2017-08-10T01:01:53 < invzim> any damage?
2017-08-10T01:01:58 < kakimir> nothing
2017-08-10T01:02:22 < invzim> they say a good landing is one you can walk away from etc..
2017-08-10T01:03:22 < kakimir> even the wing stayed in air the whole spin without hitting ground until speed was 0
2017-08-10T01:04:04 < invzim> best to get up as soon as possible if you're nervous
2017-08-10T01:04:19 < zyp> kinda hard to go around in a glider
2017-08-10T01:05:20 < invzim> injured myself on my first ever jump and had to wait a month or so before going again
2017-08-10T01:06:20 < invzim> my bowels have never been as empty as it was before I entered the plane on second jump :)
2017-08-10T01:07:26 < kakimir> second flight was totally chill
2017-08-10T01:08:54 < zyp> some day I'm gonna have money left over for PPL
2017-08-10T01:09:30 < zyp> hopefully before I'm too old :p
2017-08-10T01:10:10 < kakimir> I had already "maneuvered" the plane so there was nothing to be nervous about
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2017-08-10T01:10:21 < Laurenceb> <dongs> haha someone ~seriously~ linked me mechaduino today
2017-08-10T01:10:29 < Laurenceb> yeah so ? it's pro
2017-08-10T01:10:37 < zyp> name is not pro
2017-08-10T01:10:44 < Laurenceb> just cuz it says tarduino doesnt mean its fail
2017-08-10T01:10:51 < Laurenceb> well in this one case...
2017-08-10T01:10:57 < zyp> true, the hardware looks kinda decent at a glance
2017-08-10T01:11:57 < zyp> hmm, expensive though
2017-08-10T01:12:25 < zyp> well, not that I would sell it any cheaper, but still
2017-08-10T01:17:45 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/7MCSgt.jpg
2017-08-10T01:17:58 < dongs> unfunny
2017-08-10T01:19:38 < Laurenceb> dongs I need help identifying a possible jewess
2017-08-10T01:20:01 < Laurenceb> grrrl at work has IDF and Israel flags inside her notebooks
2017-08-10T01:20:06 < Laurenceb> jewess confirmed?
2017-08-10T01:20:22 < kakimir> totally"
2017-08-10T01:20:55 < Laurenceb> they literally mark themselves
2017-08-10T01:22:56 < kakimir> how jew is england from 0 to 10?
2017-08-10T01:23:36 < Laurenceb> about 3
2017-08-10T01:25:27 < kakimir> kay
2017-08-10T01:26:09 < kakimir> finlands are about 1
2017-08-10T01:37:52 < englishman> zyp: go learn to fly
2017-08-10T01:38:10 < englishman> i imagine that it's fun as fuck where you are, in a bush plane or float plane
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2017-08-10T01:43:34 < kakimir> better have radar for terrain
2017-08-10T01:44:53 < Rob235> blah I cant think of a good design to connect two linear rail carriages
2017-08-10T01:45:43 < dongs> didnt know there was a total eclipse in august
2017-08-10T01:45:47 < dongs> was = will be
2017-08-10T01:47:22 < Simon--> <- heading to oregon for it
2017-08-10T01:51:27 < dongs> say hi to autism6
2017-08-10T01:51:36 < dongs> tho he will probably not leave his basement for it
2017-08-10T01:52:06 < englishman> bunch of ppl here driving down to nashville to see it
2017-08-10T01:52:13 < englishman> will only get 60% here
2017-08-10T01:52:24 < englishman> good luck with the weather in oregon
2017-08-10T01:52:30 < dongs> thats what you get for living in queerbec
2017-08-10T01:52:37 < dongs> + french
2017-08-10T01:52:43 < englishman> quoi
2017-08-10T01:53:20 < englishman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/0SPLCUc.jpg?1
2017-08-10T01:53:33 < dongs> seen few days ago
2017-08-10T01:53:41 < englishman> im getting that like every day
2017-08-10T01:53:47 < dongs> lol
2017-08-10T01:53:59 < dongs> time to make a catfur pillow
2017-08-10T01:54:15 < englishman> murdering 50 chickens tomorrow
2017-08-10T01:54:58 < kakimir> already
2017-08-10T01:55:42 < englishman> yea its like 12 weeks
2017-08-10T01:55:45 < englishman> murdering time
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2017-08-10T01:57:53 < kakimir> axe has some work then
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2017-08-10T03:32:18 < Rob235> with a design like this: https://youtu.be/_nzxGOKhHSY do those have to be 90 degree bends or could you scale up the blue square a tiny bit while keeping the yellow pulleys on the edge which would make the angle like 95
2017-08-10T03:32:41 < Rob235> shouldnt matter right?
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2017-08-10T05:24:22 < Ultrasauce> you all suck cocks
2017-08-10T05:24:23 < BrainDam1> i mean, hi
2017-08-10T05:25:13 < BrainDam1> turns out ultrasauce has a duck
2017-08-10T05:25:43 < englishman> hi sauce
2017-08-10T05:25:55 < machinehum> hi
2017-08-10T05:26:14 < Ultrasauce> nope, it's actually bd at his keyb
2017-08-10T05:26:24 < englishman> nice
2017-08-10T05:26:57 < englishman> enjoying the lobster, potatoes and poverty over there?
2017-08-10T05:27:23 < Ultrasauce> fuck, you're spot on
2017-08-10T05:27:34 < Ultrasauce> i had lobster 2 days ago
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2017-08-10T05:32:03 < machinehum> nice
2017-08-10T05:32:09 < machinehum> McLobster?
2017-08-10T05:33:35 < Ultrasauce> 'that's a shitty response, yes, we went to mcdonalds for lobster'
2017-08-10T05:34:00 < machinehum> figured
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2017-08-10T05:43:05 < upgrdman> havent seen sauce in a while! sup bro?
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2017-08-10T05:47:02 < englishman> fuck this assembly is going so well
2017-08-10T05:47:05 < englishman> im actually on schedule
2017-08-10T05:47:08 < englishman> its all in the paste
2017-08-10T05:47:09 < machinehum> :wq
2017-08-10T05:47:43 < englishman> !wz vancouver
2017-08-10T05:47:45 < dieforirc> [Vancouver, Canada] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 25.5°C. NW wind: 3.5 kph. Humidity: 62%.
2017-08-10T05:47:54 < englishman> wow its room temperature in vancouver!
2017-08-10T05:47:56 < englishman> summer is here!
2017-08-10T05:48:08 < machinehum> mmmm
2017-08-10T05:48:24 < machinehum> It's a bit more smokey outside then inside
2017-08-10T05:49:27 < englishman> so i hear
2017-08-10T05:50:13 < upgrdman> is vancouver usually a frozen shit hole?
2017-08-10T05:50:21 < Ultrasauce> 'i can respond later too'
2017-08-10T05:50:31 < Ultrasauce> 'you're taking this a bit too literally'
2017-08-10T05:51:07 < englishman> upgrdman, no, it is never a frozen shithole
2017-08-10T05:51:13 < englishman> it is a tepid, rainy shithole
2017-08-10T05:51:21 < upgrdman> ahh
2017-08-10T05:51:27 < upgrdman> sounds like shanghai, lol
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2017-08-10T05:51:40 < upgrdman> well sh is prolly hotter, but ya. rainy shithole
2017-08-10T05:51:59 < aandrew> 25.5 woudl be pretty warm for room temp
2017-08-10T05:53:53 < upgrdman> so im using some shit picoscope in cn right now. holy fuck what a piece of shit.
2017-08-10T05:54:08 < upgrdman> aliases so fucking easily, shit refresh rate, etc.
2017-08-10T05:54:12 < aandrew> heh
2017-08-10T05:54:20 < aandrew> should have packed your riglol
2017-08-10T05:54:32 < upgrdman> one of the stm32f4 chips with 3xADC can prolly outdo this picoshitscope
2017-08-10T05:54:50 < upgrdman> we have the riglol here but its being used by coworkers
2017-08-10T05:55:02 < upgrdman> and i only "needed" 2ch so i offered to use the picoscoep
2017-08-10T05:57:18 < machinehum> work for a comapany that buys rigol scopes eh?
2017-08-10T05:57:21 < machinehum> ...
2017-08-10T05:57:23 < machinehum> same
2017-08-10T05:57:41 < upgrdman> well i actually rec'd riglol since we didnt need high quality
2017-08-10T05:57:50 < upgrdman> we have some agilent scope for when we need to be super pro
2017-08-10T05:57:58 < upgrdman> but riglols for general fuckery
2017-08-10T05:58:47 < upgrdman> at least this time in cn the internet isnt totally shit. i can actually use my vpn consistently now.
2017-08-10T05:59:39 < machinehum> Yeah they're not terrible
2017-08-10T05:59:57 < machinehum> If you need to do simpe non-RF stuf
2017-08-10T05:59:58 < machinehum> f
2017-08-10T06:00:03 < machinehum> simple*
2017-08-10T06:00:14 < upgrdman> i just wish the riglol rotary encoders were a little better, and this probe witch-hats sucks ass.
2017-08-10T06:01:04 < upgrdman> like you pull on the witch hat and 70% of the time it'll get caught up on the clip when you let go.
2017-08-10T06:01:42 < machinehum> I know the pain
2017-08-10T06:02:06 < machinehum> I spent 2 days chasing a scope artifact
2017-08-10T06:02:25 < machinehum> Ended up ripping off that stupid witch hat and soldering right to the gnd Contact
2017-08-10T06:02:34 < machinehum> short little wire
2017-08-10T06:02:53 < machinehum> n00bz!!
2017-08-10T06:03:12 < upgrdman> now if i could just get my cn coworkers to STOP FUCKING LOSING THE PROBE ACCESSORIES
2017-08-10T06:03:31 < machinehum> Jesus do you work for my company?
2017-08-10T06:03:33 < upgrdman> ground springs? ground clips? colored o-rings? good luck finding them here.
2017-08-10T06:03:49 < upgrdman> lol you in cn right now?
2017-08-10T06:04:13 < machinehum> Yeah the trick is to mix up all those little colour o-rings and then use them on the wrong channel
2017-08-10T06:04:19 < upgrdman> lol
2017-08-10T06:04:31 < enh> whet is cn?
2017-08-10T06:04:37 < upgrdman> china
2017-08-10T06:04:46 < enh> hum
2017-08-10T06:07:03 < upgrdman> also, you know how china quality sucks? well the stuff that isnt even good enough to export... is used here in china. holy fuck, why does every lcd inthis office suck ass. shit viewing angles, shit backlight, dead dixels...
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2017-08-10T06:09:58 < aandrew> witch hat, lol
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2017-08-10T06:15:00 < Ultrasauce> hallo it's actually me now and not bd selectively and arbitrarily relaying my vocalizations
2017-08-10T06:15:13 < upgrdman> bd?
2017-08-10T06:15:38 < BrainDam1> slander i say!
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2017-08-10T06:57:45 < ohsix> zyp: heh forgot about this https://devicedruid.com/
2017-08-10T06:58:33 < ohsix> there's a crappy little thing that can interrogate it over serial and show some controls
2017-08-10T06:58:52 < ohsix> plus text only stuff
2017-08-10T07:04:59 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/JQWON
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2017-08-10T07:12:03 < englishman> 🦀 🥔 🇨🇦
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2017-08-10T08:11:09 < Ultrasauce> that's dongs-sama to you
2017-08-10T08:25:34 < dongs> wow
2017-08-10T08:25:41 < dongs> this F723E disco is amazing
2017-08-10T08:27:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AkjTf7Z.jpg
2017-08-10T08:31:54 < dongs> so much stm32
2017-08-10T08:32:47 < englishman> FFFFffffuuuu digikey shorted me some parts
2017-08-10T08:36:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Vy7rhpL.jpg think i got enough antennas at my office
2017-08-10T08:38:27 < dongs> youre not wrong at all
2017-08-10T08:38:36 < dongs> seeing how this office was a brothel before i got it
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2017-08-10T09:35:39 < englishman> crt: hi
2017-08-10T09:38:57 < englishman> I took a selfie http://i.imgur.com/ygVNo6G.jpg
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2017-08-10T10:05:15 < englishman> ESP-01 Wi-Fi module connector
2017-08-10T10:05:15 < englishman> Arduino™ Uno V3 connectors
2017-08-10T10:05:18 < englishman> all you need
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2017-08-10T10:49:24 < zyp> hmm, I think I figured out that error I was beating my head against for hours yesterday
2017-08-10T10:50:19 < zyp> that "CortexR4: Loader: One or more sections of your program falls into a memory region that is not writable. These regions will not actually be written to the target. Check your linker configuration and/or memory map."
2017-08-10T10:51:20 < zyp> the message doesn't make any sense, the memory layout of the .elf is sane, and the memory map configured for the debugger is correct and unchanged from before
2017-08-10T10:53:19 < zyp> I thought something must have been fucked up with CCS, so I found the standalone flasher utility, "uniflash"
2017-08-10T10:53:42 < zyp> which gave me the exact same error message
2017-08-10T10:55:02 < zyp> that utility also has "erase flash" buttons and stuff, and that process got stuck
2017-08-10T10:56:12 < zyp> somehow I found out that after doing that, pushing the reset button on the board would get the chip stuck instead of executing the firmware
2017-08-10T10:56:27 < zyp> and once it was in that state, I could flash it like normal without any errors
2017-08-10T10:58:24 < zyp> so I left work yesterday thinking, "okay, I've found a way to get it working again, but not the cause"
2017-08-10T11:00:01 < zyp> I figured the firmware must be doing some shit that trips up the debugger, so last night I pondered what I could have changed to cause that
2017-08-10T11:01:06 < zyp> last week I changed some clock divisors, switching all the VCLKs from /2 to /1 to run stuff at 220MHz instead of 110MHz
2017-08-10T11:01:24 < zyp> tried setting them back to /2 now, and now everything appears to work again
2017-08-10T11:01:54 < qyx> what 200MHz cortex R4?
2017-08-10T11:02:07 < zyp> TI RM46L852
2017-08-10T11:04:57 < qyx> uhm, doesn't look cheap
2017-08-10T11:05:40 < invzim> microsd..  do some cards only have 1bit sdio?
2017-08-10T11:06:23 < zyp> I think cards are required to do support all three modes, but I might be wrong
2017-08-10T11:06:31 < invzim> I can get a samsung16gb card working fine, but 1 cheapo 1gb card I got off ebay is nogo so far (but works on my laptop)
2017-08-10T11:06:41 < zyp> (spi, 1-bit and 4-bit)
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2017-08-10T11:11:59 < invzim> "Note that Low-Speed SDIO cards support 4-bit transfer as an option. When communicating with a Low-Speed SDIO card, the host shall first determine if the card supports 4-bit transfer prior to attempting to select that mode"
2017-08-10T11:12:06 < invzim> from https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/sdio/sdio_spec/Simplified_SDIO_Card_Spec.pdf
2017-08-10T11:12:25 < zyp> which SDIO lib are you using?
2017-08-10T11:12:46 < invzim> fuck knows what I really use, layers and layers of crap :)  (cube)
2017-08-10T11:12:51 < zyp> haha
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2017-08-10T11:14:08 < zyp> heh, low speed, that's apparently up to 400kHz
2017-08-10T11:14:18 < zyp> didn't even know that existed, that sounds horribly slow
2017-08-10T11:14:32 < zyp> especially if you're doing only one bit width
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2017-08-10T11:14:44 < invzim> I did learn that initialization is 1 bit and low speed, and that f_mount doesn't actually touch the card
2017-08-10T11:16:20 < qyx> thats the fuicking thing I was angry with in the past
2017-08-10T11:16:42 < qyx> its the chans fat library with f_mount doing practically nothing
2017-08-10T11:17:44 < dongs> ReadError: beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
2017-08-10T11:18:10 < dongs> After successfully installing an ESXi 5.x host, the host fails to reboot.
2017-08-10T11:18:10 < dongs> You see the error:
2017-08-10T11:18:10 < dongs> BANK5: not a VMware boot bank
2017-08-10T11:18:10 < dongs> BANK6: not a VMware boot bank
2017-08-10T11:18:10 < dongs> No hypervisor found.
2017-08-10T11:18:11 < ReadErr> yes hello
2017-08-10T11:18:13 < dongs> the fuck is this???
2017-08-10T11:18:17 < dongs> i jsut rebooted
2017-08-10T11:18:20 < dongs> nothing else differnt
2017-08-10T11:18:26 < dongs> havent rebooted for ~year
2017-08-10T11:18:36 < ReadErr> you updated?
2017-08-10T11:18:40 < dongs> i ddnt do anythign
2017-08-10T11:18:42 < ReadErr> you can try the alt-bootbank
2017-08-10T11:18:43 < dongs> i just put in maintenance mode
2017-08-10T11:18:44 < dongs> and shutdown
2017-08-10T11:18:46 < dongs> how?
2017-08-10T11:18:56 < dongs> and powered back up
2017-08-10T11:18:58 < dongs> adter adding some pcie cards
2017-08-10T11:19:14 < ReadErr> https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1033604
2017-08-10T11:19:17 < dongs> im booting off shitty usb2 stick
2017-08-10T11:19:32 < ReadErr> shift+r
2017-08-10T11:19:36 < dongs> it never boots into ui
2017-08-10T11:19:37 < dongs> anywhere
2017-08-10T11:19:40 < ReadErr> but sometimes usb dicks wil die
2017-08-10T11:19:41 < dongs> i get a boot: prompt
2017-08-10T11:19:43 < dongs> or a red thing
2017-08-10T11:19:46 < dongs> yeah byt i plugged it into pc
2017-08-10T11:19:47 < dongs> it looks fnie
2017-08-10T11:19:49 < dongs> liek 3 drives
2017-08-10T11:19:51 < dongs> 250megs each
2017-08-10T11:19:53 < dongs> all files look ok
2017-08-10T11:20:12 < ReadErr> it doesnt get to the load bar?
2017-08-10T11:20:15 < dongs> nope
2017-08-10T11:20:16 < dongs> not even
2017-08-10T11:20:25 < dongs> 1st error was like ?cannot parse boot.cfg or somethign
2017-08-10T11:20:28 < dongs> so i took that drive to another machien
2017-08-10T11:20:29 < dongs> and its fucking there
2017-08-10T11:20:47 < qyx> boot.cfg looks like a grub bootloader
2017-08-10T11:20:48 < ReadErr> hmm
2017-08-10T11:20:51 < qyx> disks reordered?
2017-08-10T11:20:58 < qyx> what pcie cards did you put in?
2017-08-10T11:21:00 < ReadErr> you try something stupid like a different usb port
2017-08-10T11:21:15 < dongs> qyx, 4x port expander and some more cards, doesnt amtter, thats not the problem tho
2017-08-10T11:21:23 < ReadErr> or try booting the usb on another machine
2017-08-10T11:21:52 < qyx> it may be because it finds the seconds stage either by disk index or by guid
2017-08-10T11:21:57 < ReadErr> if you can get it booted
2017-08-10T11:22:02 < ReadErr> its easy to make a cfg backup
2017-08-10T11:22:07 < ReadErr> and easy to restore
2017-08-10T11:23:08 < dongs> disk looks ok
2017-08-10T11:23:13 < dongs> i donno wat im looking fo tho
2017-08-10T11:23:25 < dongs> i lastt ouched this in 2015
2017-08-10T11:23:29 < dongs> which is probly when i last rebooted it too
2017-08-10T11:23:37 < dongs> all the change timetamps are that time
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2017-08-10T11:24:25 < dongs> fcuk what the hell
2017-08-10T11:24:42 < ReadErr> dongs: yea it shouldnt write to a usb much
2017-08-10T11:24:52 < ReadErr> since it knows about wear
2017-08-10T11:24:56 < dongs> so wtf is going on
2017-08-10T11:24:59 < qyx> if you put inside a card that can be recognized as a drive, it may happen that grub wont boot
2017-08-10T11:25:07 < ReadErr> try booting the usb stick on another machine
2017-08-10T11:25:12 < qyx> thats the reason why I asked
2017-08-10T11:25:13 < ReadErr> it should work assuming its good
2017-08-10T11:25:38 < ReadErr> qyx: lifespan on usb drives aint too great
2017-08-10T11:25:56 < ReadErr> after 2 years you gotta be careful w / 24/7 uage
2017-08-10T11:25:59 < ReadErr> usage
2017-08-10T11:26:03 < dongs> fuck and each reboot i ahve to wait liek 2 minutes for raid etc stuff
2017-08-10T11:26:37 < dongs> how many partitions should be on that usb?
2017-08-10T11:26:40 < dongs> theres like 4
2017-08-10T11:26:48 < dongs> 2 same size with same contents, one small one one big one
2017-08-10T11:26:51 < ReadErr> theres 3 that show up in vmware
2017-08-10T11:26:56 < ReadErr> ~250mb each
2017-08-10T11:26:59 < dongs> yeah its directly booting into vmware hypervisoer recovery
2017-08-10T11:27:00 < dongs> dont know whty
2017-08-10T11:27:01 < dongs> WTF
2017-08-10T11:27:11 < ReadErr> it should have 2 bootbanks though
2017-08-10T11:27:19 < dongs> i think it does
2017-08-10T11:29:15 < dongs> making a image of usb stick first
2017-08-10T11:29:21 < dongs> donno what the hell to do tho. piece of shit
2017-08-10T11:29:38 < dongs> the hell is current esxi called
2017-08-10T11:29:50 < dongs> vmware cloudyshittyfusionfreewebdongs?
2017-08-10T11:30:00 < ReadErr> stil esxi
2017-08-10T11:30:11 < ReadErr> if you can get it booted on 1 machine
2017-08-10T11:30:12 < dongs> i would rather fix this current thing tho
2017-08-10T11:30:15 < dongs> i didnt change ANYTHING
2017-08-10T11:30:16 < ReadErr> you can make a complete config backup
2017-08-10T11:30:25 < dongs> why wouldnt it boot on THIS one tho?
2017-08-10T11:30:32 < dongs> i dont have another extra box i can bring up quickly
2017-08-10T11:30:32 < ReadErr> could be something fucky on that machine
2017-08-10T11:30:38 < dongs> but nothign changed
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2017-08-10T11:30:43 < ReadErr> can you use vmware workstation ?
2017-08-10T11:30:48 < dongs> yea?
2017-08-10T11:30:51 < ReadErr> and physical disk
2017-08-10T11:30:52 < dongs> oh to boot it?
2017-08-10T11:30:54 < ReadErr> then make a temp
2017-08-10T11:30:55 < ReadErr> ya
2017-08-10T11:31:23 < dongs> 8/10/2017 1:31:02 AM   Average speed: 24.5 MB/s
2017-08-10T11:31:24 < dongs> 8/10/2017 1:31:02 AM   Task complete.
2017-08-10T11:31:25 < dongs> ok disk copied
2017-08-10T11:31:26 < dongs> so
2017-08-10T11:31:28 < dongs> no errors on usb shit
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2017-08-10T11:31:56 < ReadErr> ya i mean you can copy bad data tho
2017-08-10T11:33:18 < ReadErr> make sure you can boot it on vmware or another machine
2017-08-10T11:33:29 < dongs> yeah im installing  workstation now.
2017-08-10T11:33:30 < dongs> sec
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2017-08-10T11:37:33 < dongs> almost done with copy
2017-08-10T11:37:38 < dongs> so i can try it as physicaldisk
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2017-08-10T11:37:53 < ReadErr> yea you add a new disk but from physical
2017-08-10T11:38:02 < dongs> right
2017-08-10T11:38:06 < dongs> and thats the usb stick
2017-08-10T11:38:06 < dongs> rigth
2017-08-10T11:38:11 < ReadErr> ya
2017-08-10T11:39:36 < dongs> only ssd shows up there
2017-08-10T11:39:38 < dongs> not removable shit
2017-08-10T11:39:39 < dongs> fuk
2017-08-10T11:40:46 < ReadErr> hmm
2017-08-10T11:41:00 < ReadErr> can you try it on laptop just to see?
2017-08-10T11:41:04 < dongs> dont haev one here
2017-08-10T11:41:11 < dongs> not sure if i got wo rking one
2017-08-10T11:41:13 < dongs> lemme dig around
2017-08-10T11:41:19 < ReadErr> lol what are you on now
2017-08-10T11:42:19 < dongs> dekstop in office
2017-08-10T11:43:22 < dongs> ok
2017-08-10T11:43:27 < dongs> got another shitbox
2017-08-10T11:43:30 < dongs> SYSLUNIX blah
2017-08-10T11:43:37 < dongs> <3>BANK5 is not a vmware boot bank
2017-08-10T11:43:47 < dongs> BANK> is not a vmwaer boto bank
2017-08-10T11:43:51 < dongs> literall says BANK>
2017-08-10T11:43:59 < dongs> <3>No hpervisor founf
2017-08-10T11:44:10 < ReadErr> any commands available to tab out?
2017-08-10T11:44:12 < ReadErr> version
2017-08-10T11:44:14 < ReadErr> help
2017-08-10T11:44:17 < dongs> nope
2017-08-10T11:44:20 < dongs> this is super early in boot
2017-08-10T11:44:29 < dongs> locked up
2017-08-10T11:44:32 < dongs> at that last msg
2017-08-10T11:46:29 < dongs> syslunix.cfg on the USB just has liek 3 lines in it
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2017-08-10T11:46:36 < dongs> default safeboot.c32
2017-08-10T11:46:36 < dongs> nohalt 1
2017-08-10T11:46:44 < ReadErr> you might be able to reinstall and copy the partitions over
2017-08-10T11:46:54 < ReadErr> since it will redo the bootloader
2017-08-10T11:46:59 < dongs> but whyyyyy did it breakkkk
2017-08-10T11:47:09 < ReadErr> 2 year old usb
2017-08-10T11:47:15 < ReadErr> in a datacenter
2017-08-10T11:47:19 < ReadErr> on the entire time
2017-08-10T11:48:32 < dongs> dfsfsdf
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2017-08-10T11:52:11 < dongs> got it
2017-08-10T11:52:16 < dongs> i had to manually boot UEFI
2017-08-10T11:52:22 < dongs> fuck
2017-08-10T11:52:24 < dongs> failed to load tho
2017-08-10T11:52:30 < dongs> but at least got the the yellow load bar
2017-08-10T11:53:05 < dongs> that was copy, gonna try booting original usb
2017-08-10T11:53:34 < ReadErr> try the shift+r
2017-08-10T11:53:38 < ReadErr> for alt bootbank
2017-08-10T11:53:42 < ReadErr> on the one that booted
2017-08-10T11:54:11 < dongs> where?
2017-08-10T11:54:15 < dongs> while it counts down 5 seconds to boot?
2017-08-10T11:54:25 < dongs> yeah fails to boot, inconsistency in sb.v00 or someshit
2017-08-10T11:54:28 < ReadErr> yea the black/oragne
2017-08-10T11:54:30 < ReadErr> screen
2017-08-10T11:54:37 < ReadErr> when that loads hammer shift+r
2017-08-10T11:54:43 < dongs> o k
2017-08-10T11:54:52 < ReadErr> like soon as it comes up
2017-08-10T11:54:52 < dongs> waiting for raid again
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2017-08-10T11:55:47 < dongs> is that the roollback thing?
2017-08-10T11:55:55 < dongs> it sshowing same shit for me
2017-08-10T11:56:56 < ReadErr> ya rollback
2017-08-10T11:57:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/q6ykVyF.jpg
2017-08-10T11:57:41 < dongs> yes
2017-08-10T11:57:44 < dongs> passed boot in recovery
2017-08-10T11:57:48 < dongs> well, to about 90%
2017-08-10T11:57:52 < dongs> still ok
2017-08-10T11:58:02 < dongs> ok looks likt it worked
2017-08-10T11:58:07 < dongs> so whats different in recovery now
2017-08-10T11:58:09 < ReadErr> niiice
2017-08-10T11:58:19 < ReadErr> it copied the old stuff back
2017-08-10T11:58:27 < ReadErr> the current one got fucked or corrupted
2017-08-10T11:58:31 < dongs> you mean that 2ndcopy of partition?
2017-08-10T11:58:33 < ReadErr> it keeps current + last working
2017-08-10T11:58:34 < dongs> that was same size
2017-08-10T11:58:35 < dongs> ok
2017-08-10T11:58:57 < dongs> man these usb sticks must be garbage
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2017-08-10T11:59:04 < dongs> i bought them in conveinence store next door
2017-08-10T11:59:09 < dongs> and this is the seocnd one to shit itself
2017-08-10T11:59:11 < dongs> for no reason
2017-08-10T11:59:39 < dongs> alnmost done booting
2017-08-10T11:59:44 < dongs> sensord or someshti
2017-08-10T12:01:30 < dongs> hm cant ping it
2017-08-10T12:01:32 < dongs> but says network is up
2017-08-10T12:01:33 < dongs> wtf
2017-08-10T12:02:45 < dongs> of course it cant find my datashtore
2017-08-10T12:02:46 < dongs> nice
2017-08-10T12:03:22 < dongs> it shows up in storage ut list of VMs = empty
2017-08-10T12:03:25 < dongs> now what the fuck
2017-08-10T12:10:47 < ReadErr> you can open the datastore
2017-08-10T12:10:50 < dongs> i did
2017-08-10T12:10:52 < ReadErr> goto the directory
2017-08-10T12:10:56 < ReadErr> find .vmx
2017-08-10T12:11:03 < ReadErr> right click -> add
2017-08-10T12:11:03 < dongs> oh fuck
2017-08-10T12:11:06 < dongs> ONE BYONE?
2017-08-10T12:11:07 < dongs> why hte fuck
2017-08-10T12:11:09 < dongs> diesnt it same
2017-08-10T12:11:13 < dongs> doesnt it save
2017-08-10T12:11:19 < ReadErr> ur config got hosed maybe
2017-08-10T12:11:35 < ReadErr> or the RAID is enumerating different ?
2017-08-10T12:12:09 < ReadErr> it should have saved though
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2017-08-10T12:14:34 < ReadErr> Backup:
2017-08-10T12:14:34 < ReadErr> $ ./vicfg-cfgbackup --server=<IP> -s <whatever.tgz>
2017-08-10T12:14:34 < ReadErr> Restore:
2017-08-10T12:14:34 < ReadErr> $ ./vicfg-cfgbackup --server=<IP> -l <path_and_filename.tgz> -f
2017-08-10T12:15:00 < dongs> ok saved
2017-08-10T12:15:04 < dongs> damn, its not seeing some of the cards in expander
2017-08-10T12:15:06 < dongs> for passthrough
2017-08-10T12:15:09 < dongs> one of them shows up but not hte other
2017-08-10T12:15:11 < dongs> fuck
2017-08-10T12:15:21 < ReadErr> good idea to do that before reboots if its shitty usb
2017-08-10T12:15:33 < dongs> ./vicfg-cfgbackup < is that on ssh shell to it?
2017-08-10T12:15:42 < dongs> to vmware box
2017-08-10T12:15:58 < ReadErr> thats the vicfg stuff which you can run on windows
2017-08-10T12:16:00 < ReadErr> or linux
2017-08-10T12:16:10 < ReadErr> so it would save it to your laptop
2017-08-10T12:16:17 < dongs> OK
2017-08-10T12:17:43 < ReadErr> # vim-cmd hostsvc/maintenance_mode_enter
2017-08-10T12:17:43 < ReadErr> # vim-cmd hostsvc/firmware/restore_config <path_and_filename.tgz>
2017-08-10T12:17:43 < ReadErr> (If this complains about a mismatch, you can use the 'force' option)
2017-08-10T12:17:58 < ReadErr> thats how to restore from ssh shell on host
2017-08-10T12:18:08 < ReadErr> imagine backup is somethin similar
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2017-08-10T12:22:35 < invzim> qyx: found a good way to check if the sd card is sane?
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2017-08-10T12:26:59 < zyp> karlp, added a queue to shell_getc() now
2017-08-10T12:27:18 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/HYxwa <- my ps command turned out quite nice
2017-08-10T12:29:54 < dongs> wat
2017-08-10T12:30:05 < dongs> are you lunixing laks or something
2017-08-10T12:30:22 < dongs> nuttx 2.0
2017-08-10T12:30:28 < zyp> no, this is freertos and the ti hercules hal
2017-08-10T12:30:32 < dongs> oh
2017-08-10T12:30:35 < dongs> awful
2017-08-10T12:30:36 < zyp> workshit
2017-08-10T12:31:03 < dongs> well fuck
2017-08-10T12:31:13 < dongs> this fpga-based pcie card isnt coming up behind bridge
2017-08-10T12:31:18 < dongs> fuckin aids
2017-08-10T12:31:32 < dongs> shitty chink implementation i bet
2017-08-10T12:31:34 < dongs> stolen pcie IP
2017-08-10T12:34:00 < ReadErr> usb 3 cable shit ?
2017-08-10T12:37:42 < dongs> all other boards in it work
2017-08-10T12:37:48 < dongs> theres total of 3 i was gonna break out
2017-08-10T12:37:53 < dongs> only the chink FPGA shit doesnt
2017-08-10T12:39:00 < dongs> its ok. since i have extra slots now thanks to expander, i will move the chink FPGA shit inside the box
2017-08-10T12:42:09 < dongs> last reboot to enable pcie and i should be ok
2017-08-10T12:42:43 < karlp> zyp: and all I've done is scratch my head and fail at shit :)
2017-08-10T12:45:53 < dongs> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2017-08-10T12:46:03 < dongs> still says host needs to reboot to update what the hell
2017-08-10T12:46:58 < zyp> karlp, that's what I did yesterday :)
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2017-08-10T12:51:39 < ReadErr> dongs: yea for pci-e passthrough
2017-08-10T12:51:47 < stvn> listen here mate
2017-08-10T12:52:04 < dongs> https://communities.vmware.com/thread/451088?start=0&tstart=0
2017-08-10T12:52:05 < dongs> foudn this
2017-08-10T12:52:07 < dongs> about to try
2017-08-10T12:52:18 < karlp> I wonder which picoscope upgrdman was using, they seem to have quite a range
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2017-08-10T12:54:19 < stvn> i wish i knew how
2017-08-10T12:54:54 < stvn> if i pirate altium designer
2017-08-10T12:54:57 < stvn> will i go to hell?
2017-08-10T12:55:47 < stvn> diptrace trial
2017-08-10T12:55:58 < dongs> stvn, who are you chatting to
2017-08-10T12:56:04 < stvn> not 06
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2017-08-10T12:56:28 < dongs> OK nice
2017-08-10T12:56:30 < stvn> i know you're always listening dong
2017-08-10T12:56:35 < dongs> all my pci shit is in passtrhough list
2017-08-10T12:56:38 < stvn> i expect an answer
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2017-08-10T12:57:28 < stvn> guess i'm diptracing
2017-08-10T12:57:40 < stvn> can't afford protium
2017-08-10T13:00:57 < karlp> who can? ;)
2017-08-10T13:01:23 < stvn> senpai
2017-08-10T13:02:47 < dongs> wtf my ethernet isnt working either
2017-08-10T13:02:51 < dongs> fucking exsi trash
2017-08-10T13:03:15 < stvn> dare i ask what  you're trying to accomplish?
2017-08-10T13:04:08 < karlp> trying to turn his computer back on.
2017-08-10T13:04:10 < karlp> it failed
2017-08-10T13:04:37 < stvn> oh
2017-08-10T13:10:27 < stvn> i still want litz wire
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2017-08-10T13:12:02 < ReadErr> damn upgrdman's telemetry viewer looks pretty nice
2017-08-10T13:12:20 < upgrdman> thx
2017-08-10T13:12:43 < zyp> where?
2017-08-10T13:13:02 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooo9Ro06Bs
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2017-08-10T13:13:53 < upgrdman> now if i could just get my server back online
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2017-08-10T13:14:31 < ReadErr> what did you do to it
2017-08-10T13:14:45 < stvn> touched it
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2017-08-10T13:15:25 < upgrdman> literally nothing. and its just dropped offline
2017-08-10T13:15:33 < zyp> upgrdman, what's that stuff built on?
2017-08-10T13:15:43 < upgrdman> zyp, java and opengl
2017-08-10T13:16:50 < ReadErr> upgrdman: ovh is pretty good host
2017-08-10T13:16:59 < upgrdman> ovh?
2017-08-10T13:17:12 < ReadErr> yea, you can get a vps for as little as 3.50
2017-08-10T13:17:25 < ReadErr> https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/
2017-08-10T13:17:42 < Steffanx> stvn is alivr :O
2017-08-10T13:17:44 < zyp> upgrdman, so each chart is an opengl output?
2017-08-10T13:17:45 < Steffanx> Alive
2017-08-10T13:17:58 < stvn> hi stffn
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2017-08-10T13:18:07 < upgrdman> zyp, ya
2017-08-10T13:18:14 < stvn> this is what my irc client last logged in as on this machine
2017-08-10T13:18:17 < Steffanx> Ovh is fucking script kiddo host, ReadErr
2017-08-10T13:18:18 < stvn> for good old times
2017-08-10T13:18:30 < ReadErr> Steffanx: lol what
2017-08-10T13:18:36 < ReadErr> they have a solid network
2017-08-10T13:18:45 < ReadErr> basically un-ddosable
2017-08-10T13:18:48 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tTDvKh7NRE
2017-08-10T13:19:05 < upgrdman> zyp, for example   https://github.com/farrellf/TelemetryViewer/blob/master/Telemetry%20Viewer/src/OpenGLTimeDomainChart.java#L231
2017-08-10T13:19:27 < Steffanx> Its like 99% of the non chinese or east europe ssh logins (tries) come from ovh
2017-08-10T13:19:29 < stvn> Steffanx, what is new man?
2017-08-10T13:19:30 < ReadErr> and the price is great, only $3 for extra ips 1 tiem fee
2017-08-10T13:19:39 < upgrdman> and yes, i know, im being an ass and using old school opengl.
2017-08-10T13:19:54 < stvn> i figured ddos issues were for efnet users
2017-08-10T13:20:02 < upgrdman> will move to shaders when i have enough fucks to give.
2017-08-10T13:20:17 < zyp> upgrdman, similar to the stuff I started on last I dicked around with quadrotor stuff
2017-08-10T13:21:25 < Steffanx> Lwip is new stvn
2017-08-10T13:21:44 < stvn> cool
2017-08-10T13:21:47 < karlp> ReadErr: what do you do with these extra ips?
2017-08-10T13:21:52  * stvn pretends he knows anything about networks
2017-08-10T13:21:54 < dongs> ReadErr: man this garbage lost ALL my network settings for EVERY FUCKING VM
2017-08-10T13:22:02 < stvn> vmware? naaa
2017-08-10T13:22:03 < dongs> adapter order cahgned, some adapters got deleted etc
2017-08-10T13:22:08 < dongs> im still unfcucking this shit god damn
2017-08-10T13:22:26 < stvn> ReadErr, we gettin' ddos and spam
2017-08-10T13:23:26 < Steffanx> Where is stvn?
2017-08-10T13:23:31 < dongs> ignroed
2017-08-10T13:24:09 < stvn> on the rig mate
2017-08-10T13:24:28 < stvn> that island somewhat near japan
2017-08-10T13:24:32 < stvn> straya.
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2017-08-10T13:24:46 < ReadErr> dongs: hmmm do you have a copy of it still?
2017-08-10T13:25:00 < dongs> copy of wat
2017-08-10T13:25:02 < ReadErr> like settings on the host? vswitch ?
2017-08-10T13:25:05 < ReadErr> changed
2017-08-10T13:25:08 < dongs> nothing changed
2017-08-10T13:25:12 < ReadErr> or mac address on guest
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2017-08-10T13:52:22 < stvn> good job sir
2017-08-10T13:52:53 < stvn> Welcome to DipTrace Tutorial. This PDF document is where you start with DipTrace PCB
2017-08-10T13:52:54 < stvn> design software. It provides all the guides, step-by-step instructions, detailed descriptions of
2017-08-10T13:52:54 < stvn> typical working principles, and all the insights and essentials to succeed as an electronic
2017-08-10T13:52:54 < stvn> engineer in DipTrace. This tutorial will be a useful tool for both professionals and beginners in
2017-08-10T13:52:54 < stvn> the engineering field.
2017-08-10T13:53:03 < dongs> tutorial is not too bad
2017-08-10T13:53:36 < stvn> i shall do it
2017-08-10T13:53:43 < stvn> no step 'now ebeg'
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2017-08-10T14:00:28 < Steffanx> Why no altium stvn ?
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2017-08-10T14:00:40 < stvn> $10,000
2017-08-10T14:00:41 < Steffanx> Its also frer
2017-08-10T14:00:44 < Steffanx> Free
2017-08-10T14:00:47 < stvn> ?
2017-08-10T14:01:05 < Steffanx> :P
2017-08-10T14:02:10 < stvn> at least i can compare diptrace to kikecad
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2017-08-10T14:03:40 < Steffanx> Eagle added new features too i read
2017-08-10T14:03:58 < stvn> yeah
2017-08-10T14:04:02 < Steffanx> It integrates with fusion 360 now
2017-08-10T14:04:04 < stvn> you turn it around and stick it in your ass
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2017-08-10T14:07:16 < upgrdman> LPTs from stvn
2017-08-10T14:07:28 < stvn> what is lpt
2017-08-10T14:07:39 < upgrdman> life pro tips
2017-08-10T14:07:40 < stvn> line printer?
2017-08-10T14:07:43 < stvn> ah
2017-08-10T14:07:54 < upgrdman> stick it in your ass, etc.
2017-08-10T14:08:01 < stvn> hey, i'm here to help
2017-08-10T14:08:21 < upgrdman> and we appreciate all you do
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2017-08-10T14:08:42 < stvn> i'm pumped for the weekend
2017-08-10T14:13:26 < stvn> http://www.bitscope.com/software/generator/panel/?p=example
2017-08-10T14:13:29 < stvn> seems useful
2017-08-10T14:13:52 < dongs> shitscope
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2017-08-10T14:14:22 < Laurenceb> whore-o-scope
2017-08-10T14:14:36 < Laurenceb> also known as tinder
2017-08-10T14:14:46 < stvn> generate me some chirps and bursts with no jump discontinuities
2017-08-10T14:14:52 < stvn> was too hard for him
2017-08-10T14:14:55 < stvn> ffs stupid nigger
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2017-08-10T14:25:18 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGzBx-fXYAEi6li.jpg
2017-08-10T14:25:38 < stvn> hmm
2017-08-10T14:42:38 < upgrdman> is twimg part of twitter? twimg seems to be blocked in cn :(
2017-08-10T14:43:31 < stvn> it is charlie's bones
2017-08-10T14:43:42 < stvn> i can upload it to imgcuck
2017-08-10T14:44:14 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/9ePdiBy.gif
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2017-08-10T14:46:09 < upgrdman> heh nice
2017-08-10T14:46:39 < stvn> yes
2017-08-10T14:46:47 < stvn> why are you in china?
2017-08-10T14:47:10 < upgrdman> business trip
2017-08-10T14:47:36 < upgrdman> i work for a ca usa company, but parent company is in cn
2017-08-10T14:48:11 < upgrdman> and my vpn server semms to have shit the bed
2017-08-10T14:48:25 < stvn> yeah
2017-08-10T14:50:40 < stvn> you reminded me
2017-08-10T14:52:32 < stvn> troll those china suppliers
2017-08-10T14:53:27 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-10T14:53:45 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Hj6mEm-70
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2017-08-10T15:05:41 < stvn> https://youtu.be/9anvi_FGLEk?list=PLs7mcKy_nInFEpygo_VrqDFCsQVnGaoy-
2017-08-10T15:06:15 < stvn> judging by his voice this is the kind of guy i'd like to rape my sister
2017-08-10T15:13:48 < Steffanx> You have no sister
2017-08-10T15:13:54 < dongs> faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggot
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2017-08-10T15:16:01 < stvn> lol
2017-08-10T15:17:20 < stvn> sometimes i wonder if her 2 sons are autistic
2017-08-10T15:17:32 < dongs> did you make them
2017-08-10T15:17:35 < dongs> if so: yes
2017-08-10T15:18:58 < stvn> n
2017-08-10T15:19:02 < stvn> that'd be gay
2017-08-10T15:19:06 < stvn> anyway
2017-08-10T15:19:13 < stvn> diptrace
2017-08-10T15:19:23 < upgrdman> dicktrace
2017-08-10T15:20:24 < stvn> how do i place irs20965
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2017-08-10T15:20:34 < Steffanx> Sodder it
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2017-08-10T15:24:01 < stvn> but englishman can pick/place it for me
2017-08-10T15:24:11 < dongs> make a symbol/footprint for it fifrst
2017-08-10T15:24:25 < stvn> figured
2017-08-10T15:25:03 < stvn> dw i had to do that with kikecad
2017-08-10T15:25:21 < stvn> it can't be as broken
2017-08-10T15:25:43 < dongs> creating your own library of symbols is a requirement in any good PCB cad
2017-08-10T15:25:45 < Steffanx> You are broken, boy.
2017-08-10T15:25:50 < stvn> ty
2017-08-10T15:26:00 < dongs> if its hard to do = like in eagle = fail ECAD
2017-08-10T15:26:06 < stvn> altium dxp, kicad, etc yes
2017-08-10T15:26:22 < stvn> even multisim ultiboard circa 2003
2017-08-10T15:26:24 < stvn> :/
2017-08-10T15:26:26 < Steffanx> Hard in eagle?
2017-08-10T15:26:34 < dongs> library management in eagle is idiotic
2017-08-10T15:26:47 < dongs> and component creation
2017-08-10T15:26:51 < dongs> not as bad as in say, gEDA
2017-08-10T15:26:54 < dongs> but pretty close
2017-08-10T15:27:00 < karlp> it's way easier in 7.x than it was before.
2017-08-10T15:27:18 < karlp> you actually get a sane browser/index of the library now.
2017-08-10T15:27:31 < dongs> good to hear that, but you can actually buy 7.0??????????????
2017-08-10T15:27:34 < dongs> hAHAHAHA DIDNT THINK SO!!!
2017-08-10T15:27:39 < dongs> fucking LEASE 4 LIFE
2017-08-10T15:27:50 < zyp> anyone remember off the top of their heads if the stm32 ethernet core can filter for more than one mac addr?
2017-08-10T15:27:57  * stvn lights up a cigar
2017-08-10T15:28:01 < karlp> no, the first 7.x was before the cloud subscription shit came in
2017-08-10T15:28:14 < karlp> I'm using the last 7.x before the cloud stuff, it's the best eagle :)
2017-08-10T15:28:19 < zyp> I just got this stupid project idea
2017-08-10T15:28:39 < karlp> zyp: I'd imagine you can have a mask, so it can do multicast properly,
2017-08-10T15:28:46 < karlp> but not multiple explicit mac48s
2017-08-10T15:29:13 < zyp> well, a mask would let me have two consecutive ones
2017-08-10T15:30:01 < karlp> (I don't actually know, just assumed multicast would have to work somehow)
2017-08-10T15:31:45 < zyp> hmm, RM seems to say it has registers for four addrs, with mask for each
2017-08-10T15:32:00 < zyp> and also a hash filter
2017-08-10T15:32:17 < zyp> and stuff to pass all multicast and shit
2017-08-10T15:32:21 < zyp> but ok, that's cool
2017-08-10T15:33:02 < zyp> I got this idea of network-managed usb to ethernet adapters
2017-08-10T15:33:19 < karlp> managing what?
2017-08-10T15:33:21 < zyp> set one mac for the adapter and one mac for the internal management interface
2017-08-10T15:33:57 < dongs> < zyp> I got this idea of network-managed usb to ethernet adapters
2017-08-10T15:33:59 < zyp> power/etc to the connected device
2017-08-10T15:34:00 < dongs> japs already sold this shit
2017-08-10T15:34:07 < zyp> dongs, yeah?
2017-08-10T15:34:31 < karlp> but you have usb already, what do you gain from ethernet addressing it?
2017-08-10T15:34:32 < dongs> http://www.iodata.jp/product/network/info/netusb/index.htm
2017-08-10T15:34:55 < dongs> that looks liek 2.0 with wifi.
2017-08-10T15:34:59 < dongs> the one i had years ago was a white box
2017-08-10T15:35:00 < dongs> with ethernet
2017-08-10T15:35:03 < dongs> usb one end,m ethernet on another
2017-08-10T15:35:13 < zyp> dongs, uh, looks nothing like what I'm thinking
2017-08-10T15:35:18 < dongs> ??
2017-08-10T15:35:27 < dongs> zyp, exntending usb over etherenet yea?
2017-08-10T15:35:29 < zyp> karlp, control from the ethernet side
2017-08-10T15:35:32 < zyp> dongs, no
2017-08-10T15:35:35 < dongs> oic then wtf
2017-08-10T15:35:49 < dongs> oh, usb to ethernet like
2017-08-10T15:35:51 < zyp> yes
2017-08-10T15:35:52 < dongs> a lan dongle shit?
2017-08-10T15:35:55 < zyp> exactly
2017-08-10T15:36:08 < dongs> with 12mbit STM32 USB-FS that sounds REALLY USEFUL
2017-08-10T15:36:10 < karlp> what do you use a network controlled nic for like that?
2017-08-10T15:36:33 < zyp> dongs, I was thinking HS
2017-08-10T15:38:53 < dongs> hokay
2017-08-10T15:38:55 < zyp> anyway, this is some dumb kickstarter level idea I had
2017-08-10T15:39:04 < dongs> awesome
2017-08-10T15:40:52 < stvn> dumbstarter i read
2017-08-10T15:42:52 < zyp> picture a board with a bunch of sodimm slots, each slot hooks up to an stm32, and all the stm32s hooks up to some onboard ethernet switch, put an rpi cm in each slot and sell it as a rpi cluster/bladeserver
2017-08-10T15:43:18 < zyp> stm32 can then control power and bootloading for each cm, in addition to acting as the network interface
2017-08-10T15:43:33 < dongs> the only useful use for that
2017-08-10T15:43:37 < dongs> cuz shitberry USB is slow/garbage
2017-08-10T15:43:43 < dongs> so youre not making it any worse
2017-08-10T15:44:05 < zyp> rpi is using the same dwc_otg core as stm32
2017-08-10T15:44:07 < stvn> sounds like filth
2017-08-10T15:45:04 < zyp> anyway, this is pretty useless, so I figure it'll sell good
2017-08-10T15:45:54 < zyp> if anyone steals my idea and makes millions off it, please share some with me
2017-08-10T15:46:18 < dongs> i've pretty much cleaned out DDR2 sockets in china
2017-08-10T15:46:25 < dongs> i bouught close to 10k of them over last few months
2017-08-10T15:46:32 < dongs> chinagirl keeps having to mix and match from different suppliers
2017-08-10T15:46:39 < dongs> used to be nice foxconn stuff for a while now its mixed crap
2017-08-10T15:46:53 < sync> nice
2017-08-10T15:46:58 < zyp> I want vertical ones, so I can fit a lot of them in a small area
2017-08-10T15:47:13 < stvn> hmmm
2017-08-10T15:47:13 < dongs> good luck, those problly need to og directly from mnufacturer
2017-08-10T15:47:16 < zyp> digikey got one single model of vertical sodimm connectors
2017-08-10T15:47:29 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/2040910-1/A118337-ND/4732027 <- this shit
2017-08-10T15:47:33 < dongs> the kind like normal desktop ddr dimm right?
2017-08-10T15:47:38 < dongs> slot in one side, and clips
2017-08-10T15:47:49 < dongs> ya that
2017-08-10T15:47:52 < dongs> nice price
2017-08-10T15:47:55 < dongs> mroe than rageberry zero
2017-08-10T15:48:18 < zyp> hehe
2017-08-10T15:52:52 < dongs> huh. my 10gbe patch cable got shipped via some 'DHL ecommerce' shit
2017-08-10T15:52:56 < dongs> i hope it takes less than a month ato arrive
2017-08-10T15:53:03 < dongs> latvian shit is here tomrow
2017-08-10T15:53:07 < zyp> fs.com?
2017-08-10T15:53:23 < dongs> no haha i'm way too cheap
2017-08-10T15:53:26 < dongs> just random ebay seller
2017-08-10T15:53:32 < dongs> picked one in NY cuz thats one of internationa lpost offices
2017-08-10T15:53:44 < upgrdman> like cat6 or fiber or wut
2017-08-10T15:53:46 < dongs> cuz that would take less than a week even by airmail
2017-08-10T15:53:53 < dongs> upgrdman: sfp->copper->sfp
2017-08-10T15:53:58 < upgrdman> o
2017-08-10T15:54:27 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111843638475
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2017-08-10T15:55:15 < zyp> "way too cheap", $11
2017-08-10T15:55:25 < stvn> awww yeeee
2017-08-10T15:55:26 < dongs> how much is it on fs.com then
2017-08-10T15:55:29 < zyp> http://www.fs.com/products/35194.html <- same shit is $15 here
2017-08-10T15:55:34 < dongs> oh hah
2017-08-10T15:55:43 < dongs> so i win?
2017-08-10T15:55:46 < dongs> it was only $13 qwith shipping
2017-08-10T15:56:09 < dongs> receive: 3m copper cable tied into dickbutt shape
2017-08-10T15:56:13 < dongs> condition: non-working
2017-08-10T15:56:21 < zyp> I mean, the thing about fs.com is that it's cheap as fuck
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2017-08-10T15:56:39 < dongs> so being beaten by ebay is bad?
2017-08-10T15:57:14 < zyp> beaten by ebay is what you'd normally expect
2017-08-10T15:58:11 < dongs> o well
2017-08-10T15:58:12 < dongs> ill find out
2017-08-10T15:58:23 < dongs> i dont feel like rewiring my rack tomrorow anyway
2017-08-10T15:58:31 < dongs> fucking spent all day today filthiyng around esxi server
2017-08-10T15:58:37 < dongs> everything is covered with shit dust and nonworking
2017-08-10T16:00:45 < ReadErr> dongs: using unsupported pci-e cards is hit or miss
2017-08-10T16:00:57 < ReadErr> they wont make any claim that all will work
2017-08-10T16:00:59 < dongs> ReadErr: i'm not using them in esxi
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2017-08-10T16:01:04 < dongs> passthrough only
2017-08-10T16:01:11 < dongs> they shouldbnt give a fuck waht the device si
2017-08-10T16:01:14 < ReadErr> passthrough yea theres issues w/ some hardware
2017-08-10T16:01:22 < ReadErr> like some gpus
2017-08-10T16:04:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sqgnA5G.jpg my pcie x4 breakout
2017-08-10T16:04:12 < dongs> before i filled it with cards
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2017-08-10T16:27:34 < karlp> what's your pci expander for? you're turning an x16 slot into 4x1 slots or something?
2017-08-10T16:27:46 < dongs> x1 slot into 5x slots
2017-08-10T16:27:48 < dongs> er 4x
2017-08-10T16:28:03 < dongs> http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show_products.php?item=135&cate_index=112
2017-08-10T16:28:04 < dongs> its a switch
2017-08-10T16:31:26 < karlp> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/976/824/913.gif
2017-08-10T16:31:48 < dongs> haha
2017-08-10T16:31:54 < dongs> it says right on the site
2017-08-10T16:32:08 < dongs> PCI express packet switch, 1 PCIe x1 Gen2 upstream port to 4 PCIe x 1 Gen2 downstream ports, enable users to extend PCIe ports on mother board or embedded system.
2017-08-10T16:32:35 < dongs> its literally liek a USB hub yanno
2017-08-10T16:32:48 < karlp> I guess I just don't see enough pcie 1x devices
2017-08-10T16:32:51 < dongs> 480mbit upstream and 4 ports on the other end
2017-08-10T16:37:50 < englishman> buttcoin
2017-08-10T16:37:57 < dongs> haha no
2017-08-10T16:38:48 < englishman> 4 independent satellite receivers and DVRs to record enough shitty jap TV for your entire family
2017-08-10T16:39:01 < dongs> jap tvs already do that anyway
2017-08-10T16:39:12 < dongs> my tv has 9 + 4 tuners or someshit
2017-08-10T16:39:17 < dongs> and records 24/7 all channels
2017-08-10T16:39:25 < dongs> so you can foodblog back in time
2017-08-10T16:40:06 < englishman> wow such technology
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2017-08-10T16:42:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lZIstna.jpg might be nsfw
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2017-08-10T16:55:14 < karlp> huh, we're lucking to get a single tuner here.
2017-08-10T16:56:18 < dongs> karlp: japs are ganbaru'ing at office until midnight, they dont have time to watch foodblog on tv. so must record and timeshift
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2017-08-10T17:25:19 < englishman> tv is dumb, tho
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2017-08-10T17:26:11 < dongs> def
2017-08-10T17:26:18 < dongs> o man what the fuck is it with new xeon branding
2017-08-10T17:26:22 < dongs> silver/bronze/golf?
2017-08-10T17:26:24 < dongs> er gold
2017-08-10T17:26:35 < dongs> the fuck is intel thinking
2017-08-10T17:27:06 < englishman> with 3/5/16 pcie lanes?
2017-08-10T17:27:13 < dongs> no idea
2017-08-10T17:27:15 < dongs> and like 8.25mb cache
2017-08-10T17:27:19 < dongs> the fuck is .25 going into
2017-08-10T17:29:00 < englishman> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/RgU2zUH.jpg
2017-08-10T17:29:02 < englishman> no ingredients
2017-08-10T17:29:21 < dongs> CHATBOT
2017-08-10T17:31:03 < englishman> for those chatty chickens
2017-08-10T17:36:42 < karlp> doesn't need ingredients if it only includes chickens?
2017-08-10T17:37:00 < dongs> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-bomb-shelters-north-korea-nuclear-weapons-missiles-us-icbm-tests-a7885841.html Lol
2017-08-10T17:37:29 < englishman> how are preppers going to stockpile guns in japan
2017-08-10T17:37:45 < englishman> bomb bunker full of airsoft?
2017-08-10T17:37:49 < dongs> haha
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2017-08-10T17:44:56 < jadew`> so it's starting?
2017-08-10T17:45:01 < dongs> hopefully
2017-08-10T17:45:10 < dongs> i can't wait until NK nukes LA
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2017-08-10T17:48:24 < jadew`> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/sinead-o-connor-in-hospital-facebook-video-suicidal-singer-new-jersey-a7886001.html
2017-08-10T17:48:29 < jadew`> man.. that chick didn't age well
2017-08-10T17:48:37 < jadew`> she turned into a dude
2017-08-10T17:48:54 < jadew`> she was a chick, isn't it?
2017-08-10T17:51:45 < jadew`> yep, chick
2017-08-10T17:55:37 < dongs> fucking americans
2017-08-10T17:55:47 < dongs> that thing looks gross
2017-08-10T17:55:59 < dongs> america keeps inventing tehse fucking "mental illnesses"
2017-08-10T17:56:13 < jadew`> looks like she had a little too much fun now she's wondering why her life is shit
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2017-08-10T18:14:46 < invzim> why does everything have to be so hard..  Now I get a hardfault after a write when I do f_close
2017-08-10T18:15:16 < jadew`> so you can experience the feeling of success when it works
2017-08-10T18:15:47 < invzim> I thought I had it nailed when I could read files off sd
2017-08-10T18:16:34 < jadew`> good luck discarding that handle!
2017-08-10T18:17:38 < jadew`> suggestion: don't close, instead count the number of leaks and reboot when it reaches a certain number :D
2017-08-10T18:18:47 < invzim> known to be problematic?
2017-08-10T18:19:26 < jadew`> don't know, just debug
2017-08-10T18:20:47 < invzim> guess I should make a big file and to continous read to see if things look sane at layer 1
2017-08-10T18:21:04 < invzim> i.e. scope etc
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2017-08-10T18:49:09 < Steffanx> Dont use fipronil englishman
2017-08-10T18:49:38 < englishman> whats that
2017-08-10T18:50:21 < Steffanx> We have this "huge" issue here. Chick and eggs got poissones by it
2017-08-10T18:50:23 < Steffanx> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fipronil
2017-08-10T18:50:36 < englishman> i doubt any of that shit is even legal
2017-08-10T18:50:48 < Steffanx> They are destroying probably millions of eggs here atm
2017-08-10T18:51:00 < englishman> yeah thats down at the bottom
2017-08-10T18:51:17 < Steffanx> Its not legal here either
2017-08-10T18:51:21 < englishman> O.o
2017-08-10T18:53:55 < englishman> https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=fipronil
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2017-08-10T20:36:39 < Steffanx> nah it's not entirely illegal here, but i think its illegal when it can get into the food chain stuff.
2017-08-10T20:37:32 < Steffanx> no mites on the chicks in canadaland englishman?
2017-08-10T20:38:04 < englishman> i dono if wifeishman has been checking
2017-08-10T20:38:09 < englishman> it is a bad year for bugs tho
2017-08-10T20:38:17 < englishman> my apple trees have been ravaged
2017-08-10T20:38:39 < englishman> caterpillars in my hops!
2017-08-10T20:39:45 < Steffanx> extra proteins in the beer.. cant be bad
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2017-08-10T21:11:05 < Steffanx> poor upgrdman https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-surface-idUSKBN1AQ1EP
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2017-08-10T22:14:11 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: haaaaaaaah
2017-08-10T22:14:34 < tpw_rules> my sp1 is a massive piece of shit, and was from pretty much the day i got it
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2017-08-10T22:17:12 < Steffanx> Yeah, and upgrdman is so happy with his
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2017-08-10T22:18:00 < tpw_rules> i assum ehe isn't
2017-08-10T22:22:33 < englishman> my surface bro 3 was great until wifeishman dropped it
2017-08-10T22:22:39 < englishman> it's still great but no more digitizer
2017-08-10T22:22:56 < Steffanx> Always those females.
2017-08-10T22:24:10 < rajkosto> is ESP usable as a general MCU nowadays ?
2017-08-10T22:24:16 < rajkosto> to control SPI/I2C devices etc
2017-08-10T22:24:36 < Steffanx> afaik it is.
2017-08-10T22:24:49 < Steffanx> maybe it's some obscure mcu, but afaik its pretty open nowadays
2017-08-10T22:24:55 < rajkosto> it seems like all the breakout boards for it have like... 4 GPIO pins in total
2017-08-10T22:24:59 < rajkosto> and they are usually assigned to SD
2017-08-10T22:25:04 < Steffanx> and you probably cant use keil, so some would advice you not to use it, but .. screw them
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2017-08-10T22:26:27 < tpw_rules> yeah it is
2017-08-10T22:26:39 < tpw_rules> except i think it's all software control
2017-08-10T22:26:40 < rajkosto> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13678 how the hell do you use something like this ? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13678
2017-08-10T22:26:57 < tpw_rules> look for the adafruit huzzah
2017-08-10T22:27:02 < tpw_rules> it breaks out all the pins
2017-08-10T22:27:05 < tpw_rules> and does all the gnarly psu stuff for you
2017-08-10T22:27:20 < rajkosto> i want to use it as the main mcu, not as a slave
2017-08-10T22:27:36 < tpw_rules> yes
2017-08-10T22:27:41 < tpw_rules> you can upload code directly to it
2017-08-10T22:27:47 < tpw_rules> quite a bit of code. there's like the esp-open-sdk and such
2017-08-10T22:27:52 < tpw_rules> or something like micropython
2017-08-10T22:27:57 < rajkosto> are any of those pins usable as an interrupt in ? and SPI ?
2017-08-10T22:28:02 < rajkosto> it would need to be a SPI master
2017-08-10T22:28:10 < tpw_rules> i don't know. i don't think the peripherals are very good
2017-08-10T22:28:21 < rajkosto> doesnt have to be
2017-08-10T22:28:27 < tpw_rules> like i think it reserves the SPI for flash ROM and it doesn't have hardware i2c
2017-08-10T22:28:49 < rajkosto> well by default its a SDIO slave
2017-08-10T22:29:01 < rajkosto> you can somehow twist that into SPI master, right ?
2017-08-10T22:29:04 < tpw_rules> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2471
2017-08-10T22:29:09 < tpw_rules> i mean it's just software
2017-08-10T22:29:12 < tpw_rules> it supports running arbitrary code
2017-08-10T22:29:49 < tpw_rules> yeah you can just use arduino ide with it
2017-08-10T22:30:01 < rajkosto> i hate arduino
2017-08-10T22:30:16 < tpw_rules> okay then write C
2017-08-10T22:31:14 < tpw_rules> okay yeah it has two hardware SPI but no hardware i2c
2017-08-10T22:31:35 < rajkosto> interrupt line ?
2017-08-10T22:31:43 < tpw_rules> what>
2017-08-10T22:31:52 < rajkosto> need at least one interrupt in
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2017-08-10T22:32:25 < tpw_rules> yes, it has hardware interrupts on all gpio
2017-08-10T22:32:28 < tpw_rules> apparently
2017-08-10T22:32:30 < tpw_rules> https://techtutorialsx.com/2016/12/11/esp8266-external-interrupts/
2017-08-10T22:33:07 < rajkosto> can it act as an AP as well as a wifi client at the same time ?
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2017-08-10T22:50:46 < rajkosto> so i should buy these http://www.watterott.com/en/ESP8266-ESP-12F-WiFi/WLAN-Module
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2017-08-10T23:01:10 < invzim> he, what is wrong with stm
2017-08-10T23:01:22 < invzim> isn't it a european company?
2017-08-10T23:02:12 < invzim> sd write issue was that it's not completely implemented in cube, and they posted a 'fix' in the form of a pdf that looks like powerpoint
2017-08-10T23:02:23 < invzim> 'change the code from cube into this'
2017-08-10T23:02:55 < Rob235> what would you recommend doing to make sure those shitty little trim pots on a stepper motor stay in place (for current limiting)
2017-08-10T23:03:21 < rajkosto> hotglue ?
2017-08-10T23:03:24 < rajkosto> superglue ?
2017-08-10T23:03:58 < Rob235> superglue is ok? I dont feel like looking for a hotglue gun, I dont mind making these guys permanent at 1.5A
2017-08-10T23:04:20 < invzim> and that that took care of my 1gb card that wasn't behaving too.. yay
2017-08-10T23:04:36 < invzim> but confidence in provided libs/code is veeery low
2017-08-10T23:05:23 < Rob235> I broke the Pos lead on my multimeter  so i soldered a male header wire to the exposed wire :P
2017-08-10T23:05:36 < Rob235> actually making it easier to do this
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2017-08-10T23:35:18 < ohsix_> lul devicedruid is fail
2017-08-10T23:35:46 < ohsix_> even if it were cool and useful, no sores; and on the download page he seems to gloat about it being on the windows store and there is no other way to get it
2017-08-10T23:36:57 < ohsix_> now i want something like it :(
2017-08-10T23:37:19 < Steffanx> So download it from the windows store
2017-08-10T23:37:52 < ohsix_> having people do that is worse than just reading the shit in putty
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2017-08-10T23:38:18 < ohsix> before we get to do this thing i'm here for, you have to sign up for this one thing, and a password, and security questions
2017-08-10T23:38:29 < ohsix> oh and you have to be using windows 8 or higher
2017-08-10T23:39:15 < ohsix> it's an absurd situation for something that does what it does
2017-08-10T23:39:29 < Steffanx> ok
2017-08-10T23:40:04 < Steffanx> You can also try and complain by emailing the developer
2017-08-10T23:40:25 < ohsix> i don't think we're communicating here
2017-08-10T23:40:29 < Steffanx> Here it wont help because 1) tarduino 2) the developer is not here
2017-08-10T23:40:40 < ohsix> complaints aren't going to resolve the situation
2017-08-10T23:42:07 < ohsix> the website funnels you into consulting services or donations so i sort of knew what was up
2017-08-10T23:44:57 < ohsix> neato, linenoise can do 2d editing
2017-08-10T23:46:41 < ohsix> huhuh that 1tb seagate sucks balls, but now i've got all of my mp3s with me all the time; listening to cocteau twins \m/
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2017-08-10T23:50:48 < ohsix> none of these line editing hacks say they support ctrl+w ... which is the key i use the most, where did it come from? emacs? :c
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2017-08-10T23:52:54 < ohsix> sup sup
2017-08-10T23:54:25 < ohsix> k been fucking aroudn too much, bbl
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2017-08-11T00:32:19 < Laurenceb_> if you ever think your life is worthless
2017-08-11T00:32:29 < Laurenceb_> imagine being an emdrive forum commenter
2017-08-11T00:33:24 < Laurenceb_> oh noes
2017-08-11T00:33:25 < Laurenceb_> http://www.emdrive.com/3GEmDrive.pdf
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2017-08-11T00:34:06 < Laurenceb_> oh my god its an emdrive quadcopter
2017-08-11T00:34:13 < Laurenceb_> mysides.gif
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2017-08-11T00:37:35 < tpw_rules> ahahaahahaha flying liquid helium
2017-08-11T00:38:05 < Steffanx> But at least its silent. Because that is damn important in space
2017-08-11T00:38:14 < tpw_rules> "green renewable fuel"
2017-08-11T00:38:16 < ohsix> in space everyone can hear you scream
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2017-08-11T00:41:46 < Steffanx> How is it silent when it emits RF waves much?
2017-08-11T00:42:08 < ohsix> if a tree falls in the woods
2017-08-11T00:43:18 < Steffanx> Thats still a tree you can detect.
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2017-08-11T00:55:44 < englishman> Steffanx: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NCL9lmh8/IMG_20170810_175147.jpg
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2017-08-11T01:22:44 < Rob235> this actually looks decent, too bad I have to take it apart
2017-08-11T01:22:45 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/vWbTB
2017-08-11T01:31:49 < ohsix> zyp: this ones' pretty ok, just the first i've tried tho https://github.com/Helius/microrl all those typos :D
2017-08-11T01:33:07 < ohsix> i'm gonna try all the shit i found but it'll be a while
2017-08-11T01:33:30 < ohsix> it's kind of dumb to want full screen shit over the serial but i'm stuck on the idea heheh
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2017-08-11T01:50:39 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/ParchedAgreeableIaerismetalmark
2017-08-11T01:52:27 < englishman> old gif, also realistic as fuck
2017-08-11T01:53:24 < dongs> i havent installed that on my vive
2017-08-11T01:53:32 < dongs> is that a free2fap game
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2017-08-11T02:02:05 < Rob235> grrr I have two things of desolder wick and I cant find either
2017-08-11T02:02:12 < dongs> Audio: PCM 16000Hz 4ch 1024kbps [A: pcm_s16le, 16000 Hz, 4 channels, s16, 1024 kb/s]
2017-08-11T02:02:17 < Rob235> i lied i found one
2017-08-11T02:02:25 < dongs> ^ f7disco recording to usb stick on usb_fs port
2017-08-11T02:02:28 < dongs> err usb_hs
2017-08-11T02:02:31 < dongs> with built in phy i think
2017-08-11T02:04:31 < dongs> mellanox israel is hiring
2017-08-11T02:04:37 < dongs> software engineers
2017-08-11T02:04:57 < dongs> how i knoW? linkedin sent me a memo
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2017-08-11T02:27:10 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/nbnzC
2017-08-11T02:27:11 < Rob235> perty
2017-08-11T02:43:13 < Thorn> http://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/pascal/book/pascalimplementation.html
2017-08-11T02:54:37 < branjb> is there a good way to reverse look up persons name by phone number?
2017-08-11T02:54:55 < jadew`> in the past you could call the phone company
2017-08-11T02:55:04 < jadew`> now you have to call the police to deal with it
2017-08-11T02:55:14 < jadew`> at least in my country
2017-08-11T02:55:24 < branjb> I remember there used to be some service that was ~$.75 cents per lookup that was pretty easy to use
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2017-08-11T03:01:20 < englishman> why dont you call and ask
2017-08-11T03:05:50 < karlp> englishman: you're growing hops? for fun I presume? What variety?
2017-08-11T03:06:02 < englishman> yes, and cascade
2017-08-11T03:06:37 < englishman> first year got about 1.5oz dry out of 6 plants, this year only 4 plants but they are already much larger than they were this time last year
2017-08-11T03:07:04 < englishman> (they are supposed to be full size in the 3rd year0
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2017-08-11T03:08:33 < englishman> i lied, hallertauer
2017-08-11T03:09:39 < karlp> cascade and hallertauer aren't evne sort of the same thing.
2017-08-11T03:10:16 < karlp> are you brewing as well? ( I sort of feel like we've spoken abotu this before, but aren't reallyt 100% sure)
2017-08-11T03:12:30 < karlp> rajkosto: you can buy those esp12f modules much cheaper on aliexpress and friends.
2017-08-11T03:12:37 < karlp> 3.85 eur each is .... wayyyyy expensive
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2017-08-11T03:12:46 < rajkosto> yes i wasnt planning to
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2017-08-11T03:12:55 < rajkosto> but i want that shielded one with that pinout
2017-08-11T03:12:56 < rajkosto> castellated
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2017-08-11T03:18:03 < upgrdman> does anyone else get a Not Found error for this  https://www.spectrum.com/my-account.html
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2017-08-11T03:18:58 < jadew`> We’re sorry, Spectrum services are not available in the zip code we detected. For the most accurate information, please update your zip code.
2017-08-11T03:19:08 < upgrdman> fuck
2017-08-11T03:19:28 < upgrdman> htf can i access my account then when im away from home :/
2017-08-11T03:19:36 < upgrdman> those dumb cunts
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2017-08-11T03:21:09 < dongs> main site works for me
2017-08-11T03:21:12 < dongs> your url is 404
2017-08-11T03:21:18 < dongs> Not Found
2017-08-11T03:21:18 < dongs> The requested URL /content/spectrum/residential/microsites/contractbuyout/my-account.html was not found on this server.
2017-08-11T03:21:21 < dongs> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
2017-08-11T03:21:25 < dongs> fuycking NEWBS
2017-08-11T03:21:51 < upgrdman> ya dongs thats what i see
2017-08-11T03:22:00 < upgrdman> and ya, the .com works for me
2017-08-11T03:22:04 < dongs> thats just their site being fucked
2017-08-11T03:26:12 < dongs> haha upgrdman
2017-08-11T03:26:14 < dongs> that site works from usa IP
2017-08-11T03:26:19 < dongs> wait
2017-08-11T03:26:20 < dongs> it wokrs in jp now too
2017-08-11T03:26:29 < dongs> just thier site is fucked, reload it
2017-08-11T03:27:03 < upgrdman> hah lol it works for me now too
2017-08-11T03:27:06 < dongs> yes
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2017-08-11T03:55:58 < dongs> englishman: do you remember off the top if 47nF for capssense more nF is more sensitive or less
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2017-08-11T03:56:53 < englishman> it depends
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2017-08-11T03:57:32 < englishman> you have to balance number of cycles to fill vs pulse time vs self discharge time
2017-08-11T03:57:56 < englishman> karlp: yeah, I know, I was mistaken, we tried to grow cascade in a previous year
2017-08-11T03:58:13 < englishman> and yeah we brew from time to time, have kegs, all grain etc.
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2017-08-11T04:00:33 < dongs> englishman: i mostly don care its just my touch padsa re close together
2017-08-11T04:00:39 < dongs> i dont wanna dick around wiht value jsut wanna eyeball it
2017-08-11T04:00:42 < dongs> on my old board i think i used 10nf
2017-08-11T04:00:46 < dongs> on the atmel captouch
2017-08-11T04:01:44 < englishman> to find out what works empirically you can just swap in values, should work over a hueg range
2017-08-11T04:02:16 < englishman> using 0.1u on the soil sensor
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2017-08-11T04:06:22 < dongs> how far apart are the pads?
2017-08-11T04:07:06 < upgrdman> a vps is a server that you have like total control over, right?
2017-08-11T04:07:24 < upgrdman> like you can ssh into it, install shit, remove shit, etc ?
2017-08-11T04:07:36 < dongs> its a VM running into some nerds basement
2017-08-11T04:07:43 < upgrdman> good
2017-08-11T04:07:46 < dongs> on overprovisioned free/pirated esxi instance
2017-08-11T04:07:53 < upgrdman> lol ok
2017-08-11T04:08:08 < upgrdman> any recommendation for cheapish vps? someone said ovh yesterday
2017-08-11T04:08:09 < dongs> actually i might be wrong
2017-08-11T04:08:15 < dongs> i think a lot of the REAL cheap ones just run usermode lunix
2017-08-11T04:08:20 < dongs> which is basically a process inside a biger lunix shit
2017-08-11T04:08:28 < upgrdman> i need to spin up a vpn. this fucking sucks with my server being down and me being in cn
2017-08-11T04:08:40 < dongs> what do you need to do? login to that gay american site?
2017-08-11T04:08:49 < upgrdman> i logged in
2017-08-11T04:08:58 < dongs> i can open up teamviewer to my usa box for you if you want
2017-08-11T04:08:59 < upgrdman> but my account is fine so i dunno why my server is down
2017-08-11T04:09:02 < dongs> oh
2017-08-11T04:09:06 < upgrdman> and with no vpn, china is fucking painful
2017-08-11T04:09:12 < dongs> why the fuck you didnt
2017-08-11T04:09:15 < upgrdman> and i cant buy a vpn account when in cn
2017-08-11T04:09:16 < dongs> oh right you run some homebrew trash
2017-08-11T04:09:19 < dongs> instead of paying like proper
2017-08-11T04:09:41 < upgrdman> well my homebrew trash has worked for ~2 years
2017-08-11T04:09:50 < upgrdman> multiple times while it china it served me well
2017-08-11T04:09:57 < upgrdman> and it cost me no extra money so why not
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2017-08-11T04:12:07 < upgrdman> is OVH decent
2017-08-11T04:12:10 < upgrdman> about to pull the trigger
2017-08-11T04:12:18 < upgrdman> i need me some 1st world internet
2017-08-11T04:12:37 < dongs> i think my pal uses it
2017-08-11T04:12:38 < dongs> lemme ask
2017-08-11T04:12:47 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-11T04:12:54 < dongs> hes been running something for years for quite cheap
2017-08-11T04:13:34 < englishman> dongs: lil different, I have a ~tens of cm length interdigital capacitor, its much higher capacitance
2017-08-11T04:13:52 < dongs> ok, he is on ovh but its a physical server in canada. he got it for 100eur/year deal ages ago whcih si gone now
2017-08-11T04:13:56 < dongs> anyway, ovh vps should be fine
2017-08-11T04:14:02 < upgrdman> dongs, ok thx
2017-08-11T04:14:20 < englishman> upgrdman: ovh is 3 bux why even wait just try it yourself
2017-08-11T04:14:24 < upgrdman> hmm 10GB is enough for modern lunix right?
2017-08-11T04:14:32 < upgrdman> englishman, ya exactly.
2017-08-11T04:14:38 < upgrdman> my cc is in hand. about to pull the trigger
2017-08-11T04:14:58 < englishman> you cant buy vpn while in China? Even thru tor?
2017-08-11T04:15:27 < upgrdman> vpns are illegal
2017-08-11T04:15:44 < englishman> but you're using one?
2017-08-11T04:15:46 < upgrdman> but im white so they look the other way unless i try to buy when in cn
2017-08-11T04:15:50 < upgrdman> i was
2017-08-11T04:15:56 < upgrdman> homebrew
2017-08-11T04:16:05 < dongs> upgrdman: is this kernel level vpn
2017-08-11T04:16:06 < upgrdman> and now my server is down for some unknown reason
2017-08-11T04:16:09 < dongs> or some openvpn shite
2017-08-11T04:16:11 < dongs> that doesnt need kernel?
2017-08-11T04:16:13 < englishman> even if you buy thru tor
2017-08-11T04:16:17 < dongs> cuz kernel level = vps no go
2017-08-11T04:16:24 < upgrdman> dongs, my vpn? debian + openvpn + stunnel
2017-08-11T04:16:30 < dongs> upgrdman: does it need kernel modules?
2017-08-11T04:16:33 < upgrdman> no
2017-08-11T04:16:36 < dongs> okthen
2017-08-11T04:16:52 < englishman> opnvpn is pretty good for that
2017-08-11T04:17:14 < upgrdman> but even if it does, ovh has "desktop lunix" so if i can just get a desktop box up and acces it, that'll be good enough for getting to gmail etc, even if horribly slow
2017-08-11T04:17:42 < upgrdman> or even ssh into it, and lynx my way, very painfully, onto the 1st world internet
2017-08-11T04:20:21 < upgrdman> oh fuck. with ovh, if i create an account, does it require email validation?
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2017-08-11T04:20:31 < upgrdman> better make a throwaway yahoo email :/
2017-08-11T04:20:38 < upgrdman> god i fucking hate being in cn
2017-08-11T04:20:41 < dongs> ahaha
2017-08-11T04:20:48 < dongs> you could always use mailinator-ish stuff
2017-08-11T04:20:52 < dongs> and then cahnge it to real email once youre in
2017-08-11T04:21:42 < englishman> dongs, do you eat shirataki or konjac
2017-08-11T04:21:52 < dongs> upgrdman: use http://mailtothis.com or something
2017-08-11T04:21:59 < englishman> guerrilamail
2017-08-11T04:22:00 < dongs> if china dones t block it
2017-08-11T04:22:09 < dongs> eh, conncetion refused looks like shit's down
2017-08-11T04:22:30 < dongs> oh, you use faggot@mailtothis.com and read at mailinator.com
2017-08-11T04:33:08 < dongs> wow
2017-08-11T04:33:13 < dongs> crystalless F0 enters DFU mdoe automatically
2017-08-11T04:33:16 < dongs> when its blank
2017-08-11T04:33:19 < dongs> and plugged into USB
2017-08-11T04:33:22 < dongs> a m a z e
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2017-08-11T04:53:43 < PeterM> thats fuckin neat
2017-08-11T04:55:12 < dongs> its almsot like arduino
2017-08-11T04:55:50 < upgrdman> fucking OVH. place order, says "payment validated" but then they say the payment will be processed eventually by their system. who the fuck makes a shopping cart these days that doesnt handle payments immediately.
2017-08-11T05:00:52 < dongs> lolvh
2017-08-11T05:08:19 < upgrdman> just called them
2017-08-11T05:08:42 < upgrdman> they got payment but their faggot payment validation team needs to review my order. have to wait until morning.
2017-08-11T05:08:48 < upgrdman> those good damn faggots
2017-08-11T05:08:54 < dongs> r a p e d
2017-08-11T05:08:57 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-11T05:09:12 < upgrdman> i guess ordering from cn with usa card trigged those cunts
2017-08-11T05:09:16 < dongs> yeah probly
2017-08-11T05:09:37 < dongs> cant you just ask readstoner to throw up a shitty VM for you
2017-08-11T05:09:49 < dongs> or anyone, not me tho cuz im lazy asfuck
2017-08-11T05:09:53 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-08-11T05:15:06 < dongs> i come to china prepared
2017-08-11T05:15:12 < dongs> im paying like $80/year for vyprvpn shite
2017-08-11T05:15:20 < dongs> and i preinstalled the apps/dialer/premade vpn connections on laptop etc.
2017-08-11T05:15:24 < dongs> shit just worked.
2017-08-11T05:16:01 < upgrdman> ya i was prepared too :) my vpn worked fine the last four times i came to china
2017-08-11T05:16:13 < dongs> i bet your house is burned down
2017-08-11T05:16:19 < upgrdman> prolly
2017-08-11T05:16:42 < upgrdman> source of fire: ras pi
2017-08-11T05:17:16 < dongs> yes
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2017-08-11T05:19:21 < Rob235> so itchy!
2017-08-11T05:20:02 < englishman> dongs: blank chip detection is in like every modern stm32 no?
2017-08-11T05:20:15 < dongs> donno, im still on F1/F405 type shit
2017-08-11T05:20:20 < dongs> and i rarely use usb on any of them
2017-08-11T05:20:23 < dongs> so uh..
2017-08-11T05:20:29 < dongs> keil legacy pack has no shit for F042...
2017-08-11T05:20:36 < dongs> only fucking packs/cube trash
2017-08-11T05:20:38 < dongs> uh oh
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2017-08-11T05:25:58 < dongs> keil is failing me for the first time
2017-08-11T05:26:13 < branjb> did you insert enough quarters?
2017-08-11T05:27:00 < dongs> yes
2017-08-11T05:27:32 < englishman> bran how is the job hunt
2017-08-11T05:28:02 < branjb> i actually got a few offers
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2017-08-11T05:29:04 < branjb> one of them was from a hiring event and I don't know what 9 out of 10 of the things listed as "Required skills:" mean
2017-08-11T05:29:14 < englishman> anything worthwhile
2017-08-11T05:29:19 < englishman> ah great
2017-08-11T05:29:29 < englishman> choose your own jobventure
2017-08-11T05:30:39 < branjb> i'm having trouble deciding which to take though
2017-08-11T05:30:50 < branjb> 100% opposite problem I had 7 days ago
2017-08-11T05:30:59 < englishman> funny how that works
2017-08-11T05:31:22 < englishman> last week i was like hmm not much going on til the end of the month maybe a roadtrip
2017-08-11T05:31:27 < englishman> then like 4 new jobs and 1 old one
2017-08-11T05:31:42 < englishman> popped right up
2017-08-11T05:32:11 < englishman> can you take both jobs and outsource them both to freelancer
2017-08-11T05:32:50 < branjb> i was trying to figure out if i could do one of them from home while physically working at the other
2017-08-11T05:33:44 < englishman> they certainly sound like serious job prospects
2017-08-11T05:34:37 < branjb> one of them is designing hardware with fpga's which I have 0 experience with, one of them is digital design with fpga's
2017-08-11T05:36:11 < englishman> sounds like you should have taken that fpga course with the weird short indian prof with the accent
2017-08-11T05:37:00 < branjb> i have some experience with HDLs, just not actually implementing them in real hardware
2017-08-11T05:37:15 < branjb> I imagine simulated HDL and actual FPGA design aren't the same
2017-08-11T05:41:44 < branjb> I'll probably lean towards one of those.  The third offer I had the entire interview was me saying "nope, no idea what that is" and then at the end interviewer said "I like your honesty!" then I got an offer
2017-08-11T05:42:21 < englishman> wow
2017-08-11T05:42:29 < englishman> so whats the catch
2017-08-11T05:42:35 < englishman> they sound desperate and inept
2017-08-11T05:42:47 < dongs> get job, receive $, do nothing, leave
2017-08-11T05:42:53 < branjb> it made me feel like bighead from silicon valley
2017-08-11T05:43:03 < dongs> you can substite do nothing wiht "pretend to do something"
2017-08-11T05:43:07 < dongs> or 'jerk off on irc in #stm32'
2017-08-11T05:43:20 < englishman> yea heres your job
2017-08-11T05:43:23 < englishman> go in ##fpga
2017-08-11T05:43:29 < dongs> scroll some asciis across your 80x25 console and tell them its the new fpga synthesis compiler
2017-08-11T05:43:30 < englishman> ask aztonerbarg
2017-08-11T05:43:30 < branjb> that's a good idea
2017-08-11T05:43:33 < branjb> i should idle that room
2017-08-11T05:43:34 < englishman> do what he says
2017-08-11T05:43:44 < dongs> lol astonerberg
2017-08-11T05:43:48 < dongs> poserberg
2017-08-11T05:43:54 < englishman> ssshh
2017-08-11T05:44:07 < dongs> stonerberg's lifetime achievemetn was: copying digilent xenyx board (shittily)
2017-08-11T05:44:13 < dongs> and then trying to get NIOS working on it (never happened)
2017-08-11T05:44:20 < dongs> then some grand plans about120gbe switches on fpga or some otehr shit
2017-08-11T05:44:46 < englishman> also spending a lot of university money at oshpark
2017-08-11T05:45:42 < dongs> stonerberg is the irc version of IoT startup
2017-08-11T05:48:01 < branjb> i think one of them is a trap
2017-08-11T05:48:08 < branjb> 1. post job ad of shit
2017-08-11T05:48:17 < branjb> 2. hire someone who says they don't know how to do shit
2017-08-11T05:48:28 < branjb> 3. ???
2017-08-11T05:48:29 < branjb> 4. profit
2017-08-11T05:48:46 < englishman> are they startups or what
2017-08-11T05:49:02 < branjb> the one I don't know how to do shit at is for a defense contractor
2017-08-11T05:49:17 < branjb> they didn't seem to be worried that my skillset and the job were about a 1% match
2017-08-11T05:49:29 < dongs> branjb: my pal got hired (for equity, too LOOL) to a place that was 1) pitching a complex product having no prototype at all 2) waited until a customer placed an order 3) started lokoing for poeple to actually make the product
2017-08-11T05:50:01 < branjb> did he get any money?
2017-08-11T05:50:06 < dongs> "equity"
2017-08-11T05:50:13 < branjb> so
2017-08-11T05:50:17 < branjb> 5% of 0?
2017-08-11T05:50:20 < dongs> pretty much
2017-08-11T05:51:31 < dongs> hmm
2017-08-11T05:51:37 < dongs> F0 stdperiph has no USB stuff in it
2017-08-11T05:51:40 < dongs> fucking hell
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2017-08-11T05:54:33 < dongs> o fucking what
2017-08-11T05:55:40 < dongs> new cmsis / pack headers dont even compile wiht stdperiphlib
2017-08-11T05:55:47 < dongs> englishman: how the fuck do you code for F0?????????????
2017-08-11T05:55:50 < dongs> dont fucking tell me hal
2017-08-11T05:57:11 < englishman> well you can use LL now
2017-08-11T05:57:14 < englishman> its pretty good
2017-08-11T05:57:23 < dongs> isnt it all fucking caps
2017-08-11T05:57:24 < englishman> im not really even looking at HAL anymore
2017-08-11T05:57:32 < dongs> can the project be built standalone completely?
2017-08-11T05:57:34 < englishman> you mean like your fav software MS OFFICE?
2017-08-11T05:57:42 < englishman> what do you mean standalone
2017-08-11T05:57:46 < dongs> i.e. i move it to another box with NOTHING installed except keil and I can build it?
2017-08-11T05:57:50 < englishman> sure
2017-08-11T05:57:52 < dongs> i want entire shit under the project tree
2017-08-11T05:57:55 < englishman> copypaste dir
2017-08-11T05:58:01 < englishman> i did that like yesterday
2017-08-11T05:58:10 < englishman> brought the address numbers project home via rsync
2017-08-11T05:58:34 < dongs> lib\STM32F0xx_StdPeriph_Driver\src\stm32f0xx_dma.c(238): error:  #20: identifier "DMA2_Channel4" is undefined
2017-08-11T05:58:41 < dongs> headers dont even match
2017-08-11T05:58:52 < dongs> fucking trash
2017-08-11T05:59:07 < englishman> rip stdperiphlib
2017-08-11T06:00:06 < dongs> fuck cube for trying to download fucking json trash every FUCKING TIME
2017-08-11T06:00:59 < englishman> We are thrilled you’re building for Oculus. After reviewing your request for hardware, we are unable to process it at this time. There are a number of reasons we would not be able to fulfill hardware requests including: no viewable app prototype, a non-existent developer website, incompatible developer PCs, or incomplete request forms in English.
2017-08-11T06:01:11 < englishman> rekt
2017-08-11T06:01:29 < dongs> did you submit your e-beg letter in french
2017-08-11T06:01:59 < englishman> peut-être
2017-08-11T06:02:07 < dongs> another reason to fuck cube
2017-08-11T06:02:14 < dongs> whatever bullshit fileopen / save prompt they use
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2017-08-11T06:03:46 < dongs> where the shit do i configure LL stuff
2017-08-11T06:03:50 < dongs> shitcube project propertiy?
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2017-08-11T06:06:35 < dongs> cube test will be: make usb audio device that plays .mod file on plug-in
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2017-08-11T06:12:09 < aandrew> heh
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2017-08-11T06:12:21 < aandrew> slipstreamed shit into my windows 7 x64 usb key to install on ryzen
2017-08-11T06:12:31 < dongs> > windows 7
2017-08-11T06:12:32 < dongs> fuckign really?
2017-08-11T06:12:42 < aandrew> yep
2017-08-11T06:12:47 < aandrew> fuck >7
2017-08-11T06:13:03 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-08-11T06:13:08 < dongs> englishman: dont see anywhere to choose LL
2017-08-11T06:13:09 < dongs> for F0
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2017-08-11T06:13:46 < englishman> uh one sec
2017-08-11T06:13:50 < englishman> do you have 1.8.0
2017-08-11T06:13:53 < dongs> yeah?
2017-08-11T06:14:15 < englishman> projcet settings -> avanced settings
2017-08-11T06:14:18 < dongs> omfg it generates such a retarded mess
2017-08-11T06:14:36 < dongs> :P:
2017-08-11T06:14:37 < dongs> LOL
2017-08-11T06:14:41 < dongs> TSC and USB are HAL ONLY
2017-08-11T06:14:45 < dongs> fuck me, RIP
2017-08-11T06:14:56 < englishman> even tsc really
2017-08-11T06:14:56 < dongs> and i cant stand that autogenerated folder structure
2017-08-11T06:14:58 < dongs> eah
2017-08-11T06:15:14 < englishman> well thats easy using any method so whatever
2017-08-11T06:15:24 < englishman> hal makes usb pretty simple too
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2017-08-11T06:15:39 < englishman> but you also refuse to use the .chm right
2017-08-11T06:17:06 < dongs> what do you mean
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2017-08-11T06:17:32 < englishman> the file that lets you easily navigate the web of aids
2017-08-11T06:17:40 < dongs> yeah i know what chm is
2017-08-11T06:17:42 < dongs> what about it
2017-08-11T06:17:50 < englishman> hal/ll comes with it
2017-08-11T06:17:53 < englishman> really handy
2017-08-11T06:18:13 < englishman> flip thru functions, data types etc with a swiftness
2017-08-11T06:18:29 < englishman> and code is included so you dont have to open every driver .c in keil
2017-08-11T06:20:24 < Rob235> I shouldn't have just cut my own hair
2017-08-11T06:21:26 < englishman> oh tsc is hal only because its "middleware" like usb
2017-08-11T06:21:48 < dongs> ~default HAL code to blink 12 leds: 3kbytes compiled
2017-08-11T06:21:49 < englishman> seems like it does more tho
2017-08-11T06:21:58 < englishman> liek can give you linear touch reading
2017-08-11T06:22:47 < upgrdman> canceled OVH order. those french canadian faggots wanted me to send them a photo of my passport and a recent bill under my name. wtf. for a $3.49 order.
2017-08-11T06:22:53 < englishman> hahaha
2017-08-11T06:22:59 < dongs> lmao
2017-08-11T06:23:03 < englishman> your scam = blocked
2017-08-11T06:23:07 < englishman> well come on man
2017-08-11T06:23:08 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-11T06:23:10 < englishman> china IP
2017-08-11T06:23:14 < englishman> fake american credit card
2017-08-11T06:23:20 < englishman> you = suspicious
2017-08-11T06:23:27 < upgrdman> i mean wtf tho, why would they want to waste that much of THEIR TIME for a $3.49 order
2017-08-11T06:23:31 < dongs> now clicking 12 times to change default GPIO
2017-08-11T06:23:32 < dongs> from LOw to High
2017-08-11T06:23:34 < dongs> FML
2017-08-11T06:23:39 < upgrdman> like wtf, canada labor isnt free
2017-08-11T06:23:48 < englishman> why do you think they are in canada
2017-08-11T06:23:55 < englishman> ovh is french
2017-08-11T06:24:03 < englishman> tech support is probably in the building next to you
2017-08-11T06:24:07 < upgrdman> i'd figure if nothing else, they'd be like "lol, fuck you, you dirty chink, shop elsewhere"
2017-08-11T06:24:19 < englishman> their north american servers are in beauharnois because its cold and power is cheapest in the world
2017-08-11T06:24:21 < upgrdman> englishman, well address in in QB
2017-08-11T06:24:23 < dongs> keil.exe just crashed
2017-08-11T06:24:27 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-08-11T06:24:32 < dongs> loading a cube project
2017-08-11T06:24:35 < dongs> this is off to a great start
2017-08-11T06:24:39 < upgrdman> so any other rec'd for cheap decent VPS
2017-08-11T06:25:13 < englishman> digitalocean only went down once in the 5 years i had their free shit
2017-08-11T06:27:36 < upgrdman> englishman, digitalcoean "droplets" is their vps product, right?
2017-08-11T06:27:43 < englishman> yes
2017-08-11T06:27:47 < dongs> donglets
2017-08-11T06:28:16 < upgrdman> hmm $5/month, not bad
2017-08-11T06:36:23 < emeb_mac> keilfail
2017-08-11T06:36:28 < emeb_mac> unpossible
2017-08-11T06:36:36 < upgrdman> when giving ssh key to vps provider, you give the public key right? private key never leaves me, right?
2017-08-11T06:36:44 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-08-11T06:36:55 < emeb_mac> if you give it away it's not private, is it?
2017-08-11T06:36:58 < englishman> dongs how much would you charge to develop a tx2 motherboard and smart BMS in 6 weeks and provide protos
2017-08-11T06:37:57 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, thought so, just double checking :)
2017-08-11T06:38:57 < dongs> englishman: i took that project and just sitting on it
2017-08-11T06:39:01 < dongs> so currently $0
2017-08-11T06:39:10 < englishman> i mean irl
2017-08-11T06:39:21 < englishman> i think these guys are about to pay way too much for too little
2017-08-11T06:39:34 < dongs> tx2 is fucking retarded
2017-08-11T06:39:40 < englishman> i agree
2017-08-11T06:40:05 < englishman> they are just going to copypaste already-developed IP anyway
2017-08-11T06:40:15 < dongs> machinedicklearning?
2017-08-11T06:40:30 < englishman> just a hardware projet, software is completely apart
2017-08-11T06:40:49 < dongs> anyway, good luck doing that 4L+ pcb needed to route out all teh shit from tx
2017-08-11T06:40:53 < dongs> mine is pretty simple actually
2017-08-11T06:40:57 < dongs> they just want USB and a bunch of uarts
2017-08-11T06:40:59 < dongs> going to STM32
2017-08-11T06:41:06 < dongs> and I'm still reluctant to even start
2017-08-11T06:41:08 < dongs> because DUMB
2017-08-11T06:41:18 < dongs> then tehy want all this in a fucking IP67 enclosure
2017-08-11T06:41:19 < englishman> yeah this is a bit more complex, m.2 ssd, hdmi, all the usb3, power smbus etc
2017-08-11T06:41:31 < dongs> start at like 10k minimum then'
2017-08-11T06:41:42 < englishman> yea but its the 6 weeks part
2017-08-11T06:41:48 < englishman> i cant even assemble those shits
2017-08-11T06:42:16 < englishman> and im sure one little hangup on battery balancing or some bullshit would cause setbacks
2017-08-11T06:42:29 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-11T06:43:49 < upgrdman> englishman, whats the default user/pass for a droplet?
2017-08-11T06:43:57 < englishman> its emailed to you
2017-08-11T06:44:18 < englishman> iirc
2017-08-11T06:44:29 < upgrdman> them emailed $5 receipt but no credentials
2017-08-11T06:44:30 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-08-11T06:44:35 < upgrdman> *clicks furiously*
2017-08-11T06:44:43 < englishman> it comes after its deployed, takes a few min
2017-08-11T06:44:55 < dongs> fgtlet
2017-08-11T06:45:01 < dongs> i;m almost sure digitaldong is usermodelunix
2017-08-11T06:45:05 < dongs> my pal had an account there
2017-08-11T06:45:09 < dongs> a free one using some scam
2017-08-11T06:45:15 < dongs> where there was monthyl coupons or something to get it free
2017-08-11T06:45:16 < englishman> heh
2017-08-11T06:45:30 < dongs> used it for a few years, spin up, torrent for 30 mins (or less), shutdown
2017-08-11T06:45:38 < dongs> their billing was 30 minute or 1hr or something
2017-08-11T06:45:42 < dongs> so they never billed him for usage
2017-08-11T06:46:02 < upgrdman> i hope the ip they list for my droples is a static ip
2017-08-11T06:46:09 < upgrdman> would be pretty gay if they charge extra for static
2017-08-11T06:46:19 < dongs> .. pretty sure its not
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2017-08-11T06:46:40 < englishman> wat
2017-08-11T06:46:55 < englishman> i dont think they even offer that
2017-08-11T06:47:04 < englishman> youd have to go with ovh
2017-08-11T06:47:05 < englishman> teehee
2017-08-11T06:47:26 < dongs> anyway
2017-08-11T06:47:30 < dongs> upgrdman: just dont turn it off
2017-08-11T06:47:33 < dongs> and you';ll be on same IP
2017-08-11T06:47:45 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-11T06:48:00 < dongs> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/is-the-droplet-having-a-static-ip
2017-08-11T06:48:05 < upgrdman> englishman, dont offer what, static of dynamic
2017-08-11T06:48:08 < upgrdman> or*
2017-08-11T06:48:32 < upgrdman> nice
2017-08-11T06:48:49 < englishman> dongs, do you know anyone who wants to do a tx2 project in 6 weeks for 10k but isnt a huge faggot
2017-08-11T06:48:59 < dongs> englishman: nobody is that crazy lol
2017-08-11T06:49:09 < upgrdman> oh
2017-08-11T06:49:11 < upgrdman> "After your Droplet is created, its root password will arrive in your email inbox and the Droplet will be set up. If you included an SSH key in the previous steps, you will not be emailed a root password — use your SSH private key to authenticate as the root user instead."
2017-08-11T06:49:22 < upgrdman> so i just use user=root and my key
2017-08-11T06:49:29 < dongs> https://amazonlightsail.com/ there's also this
2017-08-11T06:49:35 < dongs> if digitaldongs fires you
2017-08-11T06:50:02 < dongs> ohh they have 1 month free
2017-08-11T06:50:03 < dongs> LOl
2017-08-11T06:50:10 < dongs> just enough for your chinatrip
2017-08-11T06:50:12 < upgrdman> yes, now i have root! yay
2017-08-11T06:50:15 < englishman> lol
2017-08-11T06:50:34 < upgrdman> and i can ping google.com
2017-08-11T06:50:47 < upgrdman> free at last, free at last, thank god almighty im free at last.
2017-08-11T06:56:42 < upgrdman> dongs, how much was vypr again? 80/yr?
2017-08-11T06:57:20 < dongs> around that yeah
2017-08-11T06:57:28 < dongs> i'm on some plan they no longer have
2017-08-11T06:57:33 < dongs> and I thnk im paying more than i shouod be
2017-08-11T06:57:38 < dongs> but i cant be arsed to check
2017-08-11T06:58:07 < upgrdman> ya so if i get this working $5/mo is $60/yr, which isnt too bad.
2017-08-11T06:58:07 < dongs> your own non-stanadrd IP is probably the best thing to do
2017-08-11T06:58:22 < upgrdman> maybe i'll move my web server to the droplet too
2017-08-11T06:58:28 < dongs> im lazy , otherwise i'd setup my leet non-lunix yamaha router wiht ipsec
2017-08-11T06:58:37 < dongs> so i can connect to it from outside
2017-08-11T06:58:50 < upgrdman> ipsec = pro vpn?
2017-08-11T06:58:53 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-11T06:59:03 < dongs> none of this OPEN trash
2017-08-11T06:59:07 < upgrdman> wonder if cn blocks it
2017-08-11T06:59:19 < upgrdman> any easy vpn shit is blocked, or so im told
2017-08-11T06:59:50 < upgrdman> openvpn is blocked, thats why you have to wrap it with stunnel or other ssl tool
2017-08-11T07:00:24 < dongs> see, this is why I jus pay $80 a year
2017-08-11T07:00:27 < dongs> so I dont have to give a fuck at all
2017-08-11T07:00:39 < upgrdman> ya im fine with $80/yr
2017-08-11T07:00:52 < upgrdman> but if i can move all my shit to the droplet, why not
2017-08-11T07:00:59 < dongs> yep
2017-08-11T07:01:04 < englishman> does china allow vyprvpn, but not other vpns, or what
2017-08-11T07:01:22 < upgrdman> plus when you guys access my shit photos on my shit website, you'd get >5Mbps which my pi has (had) now
2017-08-11T07:01:22 < englishman> like whats the difference vs pia/torguard
2017-08-11T07:01:42 < upgrdman> englishman, theyre all blocked. you need to buy and setup BEFORE coming to cn
2017-08-11T07:01:51 < englishman> yeah you said that
2017-08-11T07:01:51 < dongs> englishman: tehy have some 'proprietary' faggot shit
2017-08-11T07:01:52 < dongs> https://www.goldenfrog.com/vyprvpn/china-vpn
2017-08-11T07:01:53 < upgrdman> vypr is just one of the ones that is supposed to be relibable
2017-08-11T07:01:54 < englishman> but once youre there
2017-08-11T07:01:56 < englishman> wat
2017-08-11T07:01:56 < englishman> no
2017-08-11T07:02:08 < dongs> looks like the plan is $60/year
2017-08-11T07:02:10 < dongs> im definitel;y paying more
2017-08-11T07:02:12 < dongs> fucking niggers
2017-08-11T07:02:55 < englishman> pia/torguard let you use ipsec/l2tp/openvpn whatever interface you want
2017-08-11T07:04:21 < upgrdman> anyone wanna help out a bro? i need my openvpn notes, and theyre on my offline server :( can someone find my youtube video on how to setup a vpn server. in the video description is a link to my offline server. can you see if archive.org has it backed up, and if see, print it to a pdf and link me the pdf. achive.org is block in cn :(
2017-08-11T07:05:10 < upgrdman> s/see/so
2017-08-11T07:06:20 < dongs> whats your jewtub channel
2017-08-11T07:06:22 < dongs> i forgot
2017-08-11T07:06:25 < upgrdman> upgrdman
2017-08-11T07:06:35 < englishman> nothing on archive.org
2017-08-11T07:06:40 < upgrdman> video is from 1-1.5yr ago
2017-08-11T07:06:43 < upgrdman> fuck
2017-08-11T07:06:58 < upgrdman> hopefully my usb hdd in my hotel room has a copy of those notes
2017-08-11T07:07:12 < englishman> use the openvpn wizard
2017-08-11T07:07:14 < englishman> on windows
2017-08-11T07:07:17 < englishman> (useful)
2017-08-11T07:07:26 < englishman> copy to server
2017-08-11T07:07:35 < upgrdman> ya but there stunnel stuff needed
2017-08-11T07:07:40 < englishman> o yea
2017-08-11T07:07:42 < englishman> rekt
2017-08-11T07:07:45 < dongs> fucking shit jewtube isnt even working
2017-08-11T07:07:45 < upgrdman> virgin openvpn gets blocked, cn uses DPI
2017-08-11T07:07:48 < englishman> or use ipsec like dong
2017-08-11T07:08:25 < dongs> Update: Raspberry Pi VPN Server: Works in China! (OpenVPN & Stunnel)
2017-08-11T07:08:26 < dongs> this?
2017-08-11T07:08:34 < dongs> no
2017-08-11T07:08:35 < dongs> earlier vid
2017-08-11T07:08:39 < upgrdman> earlier
2017-08-11T07:08:43 < upgrdman> prolly 1 or 2 vids beforee that
2017-08-11T07:08:51 < dongs> found
2017-08-11T07:08:55 < englishman> thelink is http://www.farrellf.com/projects/software/2016-05-04_Running_a_VPN_Server_with_OpenVPN_and_Stunnel/
2017-08-11T07:08:58 < englishman> and its not on archive.org
2017-08-11T07:08:59 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-11T07:09:02 < upgrdman> fuck
2017-08-11T07:09:28 < dongs> not in google cache either
2017-08-11T07:09:33 < dongs> you done well bro
2017-08-11T07:09:43 < upgrdman> well i have a 4tb hdd in my hotel room
2017-08-11T07:09:46 < upgrdman> will check tonight
2017-08-11T07:09:48 < englishman> 67k views tho
2017-08-11T07:09:49 < dongs> wait
2017-08-11T07:09:55 < upgrdman> hope i wasnt 100% retarded and kept some backups on it
2017-08-11T07:10:01 < upgrdman> i know if have offline backs at home in usa
2017-08-11T07:10:05 < upgrdman> s/if/i
2017-08-11T07:10:07 < dongs> i got it
2017-08-11T07:10:15 < upgrdman> :)
2017-08-11T07:10:31 < dongs> https://www.sendspace.com/file/702kfk
2017-08-11T07:10:34 < dongs> lets see if jewspace works in chian
2017-08-11T07:10:38 < upgrdman> englishman, ya my channel is small. im not getting millions of views, lol
2017-08-11T07:11:02 < upgrdman> dongs, YES THANKS WORKS
2017-08-11T07:11:14 < dongs> i hope the file is actualyl want you want, i see some lunix shite in tehre
2017-08-11T07:11:15 < dongs> but hard to amke out
2017-08-11T07:11:20 < dongs> cuz of shitty cache
2017-08-11T07:11:23 < upgrdman> ya thats it
2017-08-11T07:11:34 < upgrdman> whitespace got fucked, but i can unfuck it
2017-08-11T07:11:38 < upgrdman> perfect
2017-08-11T07:11:47 < upgrdman> time to get cracking on my pooplet
2017-08-11T07:12:49 < dongs> samsung notificatiOn: one app is draining your battery
2017-08-11T07:12:51 < dongs> click to see
2017-08-11T07:12:53 < dongs> GOOGLE SHEETS
2017-08-11T07:12:59 < dongs> i havenet opened google shits in WEEKS
2017-08-11T07:13:07 < dongs> fucking assddroid
2017-08-11T07:13:15 < dongs> absolute fucking filth
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2017-08-11T07:16:20 < upgrdman> in ubuntu/debian, how do i see what files were installed by a package?
2017-08-11T07:16:33 < upgrdman> i'd google, but cant, and yahoo is such shit
2017-08-11T07:16:37 < dongs> aahaha
2017-08-11T07:16:42 < englishman> comparing vm snapshots
2017-08-11T07:16:43 < dongs> how about duckduckgo
2017-08-11T07:16:55 < dongs> wonder if thats blocked in chian
2017-08-11T07:17:01 < dongs> premier opensores/freetard search engine
2017-08-11T07:17:46 < upgrdman> nm
2017-08-11T07:33:28 < upgrdman> heh, kinda neat seeing the droplet cpu/hdd graphs come to life while dicking with the server over ssh
2017-08-11T07:33:47 < upgrdman> diffie-hellman parameters are pegging the cpu
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2017-08-11T07:40:53 < dongs> open HAL TSC sample
2017-08-11T07:41:03 < dongs> obcviosuly does way different shit than generated MX code
2017-08-11T07:41:04 < dongs> ............
2017-08-11T07:41:06 < dongs> what hte fuck
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2017-08-11T08:26:44 < upgrdman> FUCK YES, droplet vpn works
2017-08-11T08:26:53 < upgrdman> almost feel like im back in the first world.
2017-08-11T08:29:01 < upgrdman> mid-day china internet sucks tho:
2017-08-11T08:29:02 < upgrdman> 1.38 Mbps download ... 0.35 Mbps upload ... Latency: 410 ms ... Server: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
2017-08-11T08:30:50 < dongs> Lol
2017-08-11T08:37:22 < upgrdman> R2COM, yes lots
2017-08-11T08:37:49 < upgrdman> but im not sure i'd want a "massage" with that much experience with giving "massages"
2017-08-11T08:38:00 < upgrdman> *from someone with that much
2017-08-11T08:38:28 < dongs> youre missing out
2017-08-11T08:38:36 < dongs> i thought your last trip you decied to do something useful with your life
2017-08-11T08:38:39 < dongs> instead of ircing
2017-08-11T08:39:33 < englishman> /ignore
2017-08-11T08:39:39 < englishman> oops
2017-08-11T08:40:58 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i did and am
2017-08-11T08:41:09 < dongs> ok cool
2017-08-11T08:41:27 < upgrdman> im just not looking for dirty whores like r2cum
2017-08-11T08:41:32 < dongs> haha
2017-08-11T08:41:53 < upgrdman> theres so many decent women in shanghai, and it easy as fuck to strike up a conversation
2017-08-11T08:42:04 < upgrdman> they start, since they know your white ass cant speak chinese :)
2017-08-11T08:42:46 < upgrdman> ive gotta say, i like how direct they are. not sure if thats cultural, or because english is their second language
2017-08-11T08:43:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol, fine with me. they can buy the ticket
2017-08-11T08:43:25 < upgrdman> lol no
2017-08-11T08:45:31 < upgrdman> one child policy bruh, ~no sisters
2017-08-11T08:46:24 < upgrdman> heh, cool, it's inconsistent, but i can get 11Mbps when downloading files
2017-08-11T08:46:59 < upgrdman> lots of girsl with attitudes here too. spoiled kids are common in asia
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2017-08-11T08:47:19 < upgrdman> esp with one child policy... everyone is an only child. spoiled as fuck.
2017-08-11T08:47:39 < upgrdman> but theres plenty of nice people too. just filter out the shits.
2017-08-11T08:50:31 < upgrdman> if youre cheap just use some tants, no?
2017-08-11T08:50:55 < upgrdman> or be lazy like me, and use like 5x10uF MLCC 35V
2017-08-11T08:51:04 < upgrdman> close enough after derating
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2017-08-11T08:53:23 < upgrdman> 2.2+4.7 > 6, you dumb faggot
2017-08-11T08:53:54 < upgrdman> ya and with derating, might as well use 30uF or more
2017-08-11T08:54:22 < upgrdman> ? 0805 10uF 35V MLCC isnt too bad
2017-08-11T08:54:26 < upgrdman> how cheap do you need
2017-08-11T08:55:22 < dongs> 35V is best in 1206/1210
2017-08-11T08:58:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, maybe buy a reel from a cheaper supplier? arrow or something
2017-08-11T08:59:04 < upgrdman> and hmm ya 35v is more expensive than i remember, 16V is like half price
2017-08-11T09:01:32 < dongs> man
2017-08-11T09:01:39 < dongs> hal literally dumbs down STM to retarduino
2017-08-11T09:01:49 < dongs> because I have no idea where shit is or what I can or acannot touch
2017-08-11T09:01:55 < dongs> i just made setup() and loop() in a separate file
2017-08-11T09:01:57 < dongs> where i'm gonna do all my shit
2017-08-11T09:02:06 < dongs> and inserted those in 2 places in autogenerated shit
2017-08-11T09:02:07 < dongs> because dumb
2017-08-11T09:02:09 < dongs> fuck STM32
2017-08-11T09:02:16 < dongs> im switching to uhh something i donno.
2017-08-11T09:02:35 < dongs> if there was ORCAD32 i'd switch to it
2017-08-11T09:03:21 < englishman> edison
2017-08-11T09:03:57 < englishman> you have like a whole month to get parts
2017-08-11T09:08:03 < dongs> does intel even make enough edison
2017-08-11T09:08:05 < dongs> to sell you
2017-08-11T09:09:37 < englishman> actually no
2017-08-11T09:09:50 < englishman> been busy buying literally all stock left on earth
2017-08-11T09:10:07 < dongs> even intel knows its D E A D A S F U K
2017-08-11T09:10:29 < englishman> also, fuck mouser
2017-08-11T09:10:32 < englishman> arrow > mouser
2017-08-11T09:10:43 < dongs> arrow = no paypal = bye
2017-08-11T09:10:54 < englishman> a problem for 1 person
2017-08-11T09:11:09 < upgrdman> in windows, is it possible to force use of a specific dns server?
2017-08-11T09:11:17 < dongs> yeah?...
2017-08-11T09:11:24 < englishman> sure since like 1992?
2017-08-11T09:11:26 < dongs> in tcpip properties of wahtever adapter
2017-08-11T09:11:32 < dongs> its always been ins ame place
2017-08-11T09:11:34 < dongs> for years
2017-08-11T09:12:08 < upgrdman> it tastes totally different, and is lower quality
2017-08-11T09:12:24 < upgrdman> unless you go to a nice (expensive) estaurant
2017-08-11T09:12:47 < upgrdman> $20 usd or more
2017-08-11T09:12:53 < upgrdman> which is a lot for cn
2017-08-11T09:12:58 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-11T09:13:09 < upgrdman> a meal at mcdonalds is like $3 usd
2017-08-11T09:13:11 < dongs> ya chinagirl took me out for a palce where it ws $20-ish per person and that shit looked liek a fucking wedding hall
2017-08-11T09:13:14 < dongs> high end place
2017-08-11T09:13:21 < dongs> the cheap trash was really cheap
2017-08-11T09:13:23 < upgrdman> ya exactly.
2017-08-11T09:13:34 < upgrdman> same hear, the nice places look like wedding halls
2017-08-11T09:13:48 < upgrdman> with lovely big tables with big lazy-susan on them
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2017-08-11T09:14:33 < upgrdman> and if you go to a really nice place, dont be surprised to see meals thats are >$150 per person
2017-08-11T09:15:00 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-11T09:15:02 < upgrdman> but still
2017-08-11T09:15:15 < upgrdman> if you live like the locals, you can spend $2/day on food
2017-08-11T09:16:42 < upgrdman> i notice the pollution the most in the winter
2017-08-11T09:16:46 < upgrdman> but its always noticeable
2017-08-11T09:17:16 < upgrdman> but the thing you notice IMMEDIATELY after getting off the plane is a humid moldy smell. like a dirty air conditioner smell.
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2017-08-11T09:17:26 < upgrdman> because no one cleans or maintains anything
2017-08-11T09:17:32 < upgrdman> so the ACs smell
2017-08-11T09:18:04 < englishman> dat legionnaires disease smell
2017-08-11T09:18:10 < upgrdman> shanghai has this dirty acquarium smell to it.
2017-08-11T09:18:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, everywhere
2017-08-11T09:20:34 < upgrdman> lol, thats the LEAST annyoing part of cn
2017-08-11T09:21:54 < upgrdman> weather is #1 complaint, internet is #2 complaint, and #3 is prolly how most people behave. cn culture has a very self-centered feel to me. the way people drive, the way they talk to employees, etc. just a general i-am-the-center-of-the-world feeling.
2017-08-11T09:22:07 < upgrdman> but theres lots of nice people too
2017-08-11T09:22:18 < upgrdman> just that statistically, a lot of them seem self-centered.
2017-08-11T09:22:21 < dongs> ok tsc is not working
2017-08-11T09:24:17 < englishman> do you think R2COM would chat here less, much less, or much much less if he had a RealDoll with Abyss Creations Realbotix Speech Technology
2017-08-11T09:24:47 < dongs> realdongs
2017-08-11T09:24:56 < dongs> none of this shit works
2017-08-11T09:25:02 < dongs> tried right clicking on HAL_TSC_GroupGetStatus
2017-08-11T09:25:14 < dongs> got function consisting of bullshti hal error checking
2017-08-11T09:25:17 < dongs> calling __HAL_TSC_GroupGetStatus
2017-08-11T09:25:21 < dongs> looked inside that
2017-08-11T09:25:29 < dongs> just some more bullshit into insides of shit.
2017-08-11T09:25:32 < dongs> no idea whats going on
2017-08-11T09:25:40 < dongs> literally copypasted code from cube samples
2017-08-11T09:25:51 < englishman> sorry bro i just poked registers for my shit, took like 5min
2017-08-11T09:26:14 < englishman> did that after looking at HAL TSC libs
2017-08-11T09:30:05 < dongs>     (+) Select the channel IOs to be acquired using HAL_TSC_IOConfig() function.
2017-08-11T09:30:16 < dongs> not. a. single. call. to. this. anywehre. in. sample. code.
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2017-08-11T09:30:52 < invzim> reading microSD I get like 1.6-2MB/sec - sound about right for 32f401?
2017-08-11T09:30:56 < invzim> @84
2017-08-11T09:31:04 < dongs> megabytes?
2017-08-11T09:31:09 < invzim> yah
2017-08-11T09:31:16 < dongs> a bit on the slow side but not too terrible
2017-08-11T09:31:19 < dongs> sdio 1 bit?
2017-08-11T09:31:28 < invzim> nah, supposed to be 4 - but I don't trust the libs
2017-08-11T09:31:41 < invzim> this is with DMA
2017-08-11T09:31:57 < invzim> 1024bytes buffer with f_read
2017-08-11T09:32:41 < invzim> odd think is my 1gb 1usd ali test card is faster than brand-name 16gb
2017-08-11T09:32:45 < invzim> thing
2017-08-11T09:33:29 < invzim> clock looks ok under scope, 24mhz - or as OK as I can get with a 100mhz scope - bit of over-undershoot, but nothing too terrible
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2017-08-11T09:39:54 < dongs> time to look at scope
2017-08-11T09:39:57 < dongs> to see if its even trying to do anythign
2017-08-11T09:42:10 < dongs> scope shows shit properly displaying waht looks liek a touch pattern
2017-08-11T09:42:13 < dongs> what the nigger fuck
2017-08-11T09:46:10 < dongs> i have no idea how to tell 3 different buttons on same IO group
2017-08-11T09:46:18 < dongs> what the fuck why arent tehre any proper docs for ANY OF THIS SHIT
2017-08-11T09:46:29 < dongs> who teh fuck actually uses hal to do anythign
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2017-08-11T09:48:26 < dongs> there's only one touch counter per group....
2017-08-11T09:48:30 < dongs> what the fuck
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2017-08-11T09:50:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/r0o5UsT.png this is what I did beacuse I expected to be able to get each individual button counter??
2017-08-11T09:50:19 < upgrdman> speaking of hating hal, is there a non-hal lib for stm32f4 ethernet?
2017-08-11T09:50:33 < dongs> yeah, lwip samples in stdperiphlib
2017-08-11T09:50:35 < dongs> at least that shit works
2017-08-11T09:50:44 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-11T09:50:48 < zyp> invzim, 4bit@24MHz have a raw throughput of 12MB/s
2017-08-11T09:51:21 < zyp> getting real world throughput of 2MB/s sounds like bad utilization
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2017-08-11T09:57:32 < dongs> STMCube™ initiative was originated by STMicroelectronics to ease developers’ life by
2017-08-11T09:57:36 < dongs> reducing development efforts, time and cost. STM32Cube covers STM32 portfolio.
2017-08-11T09:57:51 < dongs> so far its been tquite the opposite
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2017-08-11T09:59:55 < zyp> haha
2017-08-11T10:00:09 < barometz>  yyyyeah
2017-08-11T10:00:53 < barometz> I've only used it to generate minimal live firmware to test programmers with and even that was a pain to get started with
2017-08-11T10:01:15 < barometz> probably be a pain next time I need one for another device
2017-08-11T10:01:41 < zyp> the thing that annoys me about the ti hercules hal stuff is that it's hard to hook into without editing the generated files
2017-08-11T10:02:05 < barometz> works real well once I got it configured right, though - just slap FreeRTOS on a config, turn on a few peripherals and go
2017-08-11T10:02:18 < zyp> the generated files have a bunch of sections where you can add stuff that will be preserved next time you generate
2017-08-11T10:02:29 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-11T10:02:34 < dongs> thats what i said earleir
2017-08-11T10:02:40 < dongs> i ended up dumbing my code down into setup() and loop()
2017-08-11T10:02:45 < barometz> ha
2017-08-11T10:02:47 < dongs> and just put that shit into separate file
2017-08-11T10:02:48 < zyp> but I don't want to do that, I want to be able to delete all generated file, regenerate them, and still have everything work
2017-08-11T10:02:50 < dongs> because i dont wanna touch anything
2017-08-11T10:03:05 < barometz> zyp: that would be better for sure
2017-08-11T10:04:14 < zyp> I'm mostly there now
2017-08-11T10:04:42 < zyp> now I only compile in the files that I need, and drop stuff that conflicts with what I want to do
2017-08-11T10:05:13 < zyp> the i2c driver is super retarded and half broken, so I ended up dropping that completely and writing my own, only using the register defs
2017-08-11T10:05:28 < zyp> I might end up doing the same for the uart driver
2017-08-11T10:05:44 < dongs> was it in c++
2017-08-11T10:05:57 < zyp> no, I don't use c++ in this project
2017-08-11T10:06:17 < invzim> with crappy libs, my knowledge of how 'most' programmers work and their attitude, there must be a LOT of sketechy devices out there..
2017-08-11T10:06:38 < zyp> I'll probably have to validate this shit against MISRA eventually, so I'm trying to avoid doing exotic stuff
2017-08-11T10:07:20 < zyp> invzim, haha, yeah
2017-08-11T10:08:03 < zyp> I bet most consumer electronics with embedded software are at a "good enough" level
2017-08-11T10:10:29 < zyp> I don't wanna name names, but last place I worked, I got tasked with upgrading their product because a module they used in it was EOL
2017-08-11T10:11:14 < dongs> tsc docs are insanely useless
2017-08-11T10:11:21 < dongs> this shit is evne worse tha hal
2017-08-11T10:11:35 < dongs> the docs are literalyl repeating same shit thats in every appnote but it doesnt make sense
2017-08-11T10:11:38 < zyp> so I redid the board layout to connect to a new module from a different vendor, and updated the software to talk to it
2017-08-11T10:12:39 < sync> > misra
2017-08-11T10:12:52 < zyp> the old module wasn't even meant to be used as a module in that way, so they emulated a bunch of IO shit for it
2017-08-11T10:12:56 < dongs> better thaqn g++11
2017-08-11T10:13:10 < zyp> the new one had a fairly nice i2c interface
2017-08-11T10:13:58 < sync> Well dongs, Bosch ECU shit is compiled with *GCC* 3.someshit
2017-08-11T10:14:22 < Steffanx> Noo, my car will crash
2017-08-11T10:14:46 < Steffanx> (no clue where my fiat comes with)
2017-08-11T10:15:43 < Steffanx> Do the jappies use Bosch in their cars sync?
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2017-08-11T10:15:49 < zyp> eh, I'm just hoping MISRA rules are mostly sane stuff that makes sense anyway because it's good practice for embedded
2017-08-11T10:16:31 < zyp> I'm guessing it's half that and half paranoid rules because it assumes that programmers are too dumb to understand all features of the language
2017-08-11T10:17:01 < sync> It depends Steffanx
2017-08-11T10:17:16 < sync> Usually denso stuff
2017-08-11T10:17:20 < Steffanx> Doesnt it also force you to declare all variables in to of a function and shit like that?
2017-08-11T10:17:28 < Steffanx> In top*
2017-08-11T10:19:02 < zyp> idk, maybe
2017-08-11T10:19:27 < zyp> I don't care too much just yet
2017-08-11T10:19:41 < Steffanx> Good
2017-08-11T10:19:45 < zyp> focus now is to get everything to work
2017-08-11T10:20:07 < zyp> and then when it works I can refactor shit to be compliant with whatever
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2017-08-11T10:23:22 < dongs> examples in refman are fucking GOLD
2017-08-11T10:23:27 < dongs> anyway, from all i can see
2017-08-11T10:23:40 < dongs> the fucking picture that was in STM32 fucking presentation about TSC
2017-08-11T10:23:46 < dongs> isnt actually possible to use
2017-08-11T10:24:02 < dongs> no idea why there are several channels if one cannot get their touch value individually
2017-08-11T10:24:08 < dongs> its only per group
2017-08-11T10:24:13 < dongs> there are no registers per each channel ingroup
2017-08-11T10:26:53 < zyp> "Within one analog I/O group, only one channel is acquired at a time. This means that if three channels are implemented, three consecutive acquisitions will be required to get the image of the three sensors."
2017-08-11T10:27:10 < dongs> no
2017-08-11T10:27:16 < dongs> it doesnt do any of that shit
2017-08-11T10:27:24 < dongs> there are no fucking controls to do this shit
2017-08-11T10:27:35 < zyp> which chip is this?
2017-08-11T10:27:40 < dongs> F042
2017-08-11T10:27:42 < zyp> or rather, what's the RM number?
2017-08-11T10:27:51 < dongs> 0091
2017-08-11T10:28:13 < dongs> 11 results (0.75 seconds)
2017-08-11T10:28:16 < dongs> fucking awesome
2017-08-11T10:28:22 < dongs> like, literally NOBODY ON THE INTERNET
2017-08-11T10:28:28 < dongs> has EVER USED HAL + TSC
2017-08-11T10:28:31 < dongs> and this shit has been out for years
2017-08-11T10:28:52 < dongs> i wish ST would fuck off with this toy garbage and jsut go back to maintaining stdlib
2017-08-11T10:28:55 < zyp> so, are you having problems with HAL or the TSC hardware itself?
2017-08-11T10:28:56 < dongs> fucking admit defeat and move on
2017-08-11T10:29:01 < dongs> zyp, i have no idea
2017-08-11T10:29:07 < dongs> i copypasted HAL example for tsc
2017-08-11T10:29:12 < dongs> im getting group1 counter changing
2017-08-11T10:29:19 < zyp> oh, okay
2017-08-11T10:29:28 < zyp> lemme skim through the TSC chapter
2017-08-11T10:29:33 < dongs> but i cannot select waht channel im sampling, tehres no code to change it, and from what i can see looking at ther registers there's no way to do it anyway
2017-08-11T10:30:16 < dongs> tehre's a shitload of undocumented __HAL_TSC__* faggot macros in the header and they all modify some shit but without any explanation and there are zero hits to them on internet
2017-08-11T10:33:19 < zyp> IOASCR, IOSCR and IOCCR is used to select the roles of the four channels
2017-08-11T10:33:37 < dongs> yes, hal init shit already did that.
2017-08-11T10:34:06 < zyp> IOSCR to 1 for the pin you have the capacitor on, IOCCR to 1 for the pin you use for the active channel
2017-08-11T10:34:15 < fest> dongs: that's the price you pay for innovating at the edge of what's possible /s
2017-08-11T10:34:22 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/wLuJVt14.html
2017-08-11T10:34:26 < dongs> this is straight out of their docs
2017-08-11T10:34:32 < dongs> there's no mention of how to set the channel
2017-08-11T10:34:43 < zyp> wat
2017-08-11T10:34:44 < zyp> Select the channel IOs to be acquired using HAL_TSC_IOConfig() function.
2017-08-11T10:34:56 < dongs> yeah, this function is not in ANY example
2017-08-11T10:34:57 < zyp> doesn't that take a channel argument?
2017-08-11T10:34:59 < dongs> no
2017-08-11T10:35:07 < zyp> what's the source of that function?
2017-08-11T10:35:11 < dongs> 17 results (0.31 seconds)
2017-08-11T10:35:40 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/4EPpZ191.html
2017-08-11T10:36:18 < zyp> okay, so it's selected by config->ChannelIOs
2017-08-11T10:37:49 < zyp> anyway, if you have caps on IO4 and sensing pads on IO1..3 then I guess you have to set IOSCR = 0x88888888, then select between the channels by setting IOCCR = 0x11111111, 0x22222222 or 0x44444444
2017-08-11T10:37:54 < dongs>   htsc.Init.ChannelIOs = TSC_GROUP1_IO1|TSC_GROUP1_IO2|TSC_GROUP1_IO3;
2017-08-11T10:37:54 < dongs>   htsc.Init.SamplingIOs = TSC_GROUP1_IO4;
2017-08-11T10:37:54 < dongs>  
2017-08-11T10:38:01 < dongs> but hal init trash already does thsi
2017-08-11T10:38:36 < zyp> sounds like it's sampling on all channels in parallel
2017-08-11T10:38:47 < dongs> yeah and where the fuck weould taht result from SEPARATE CHANNELS go to?
2017-08-11T10:39:03 < zyp> you have to change ChannelIOs to only sample one of the IOs
2017-08-11T10:39:35 < zyp> remember, three separate acquisitions will be required, if you want all three
2017-08-11T10:40:13 < dongs> well, i dont see a way to set this in cube
2017-08-11T10:40:18 < dongs> so i guess if I edit this, shit will break
2017-08-11T10:40:36 < zyp> idk, that's a hal problem, not a hardware problem
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2017-08-11T10:41:33 < zyp> hmm
2017-08-11T10:42:19 < zyp> I guess the trick is to sample all groups in parallel like it's configured by default to figure out when somebody is touching
2017-08-11T10:42:37 < zyp> and when you detect a touch somewhere, you start sampling on the individual channels to figure out which channel
2017-08-11T10:42:55 < dongs> good thing this strategy is so clearly explained in the docs
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2017-08-11T10:48:10 < dongs> score
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2017-08-11T10:48:42 < dongs> good enough, that will work. out of those 17 google results, ONE was using that HAL_TSC_IOConfig correctly to selcet a channel
2017-08-11T10:48:48 < dongs> the rest were just copies of hal docs.
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2017-08-11T10:50:59 < dongs> thanks zyp for showing me the light
2017-08-11T10:51:36 < zyp> shit like that is why I'm not a fan of hal stuff
2017-08-11T10:51:48 < dongs> you'd think for a chip thats been out for years
2017-08-11T10:51:53 < dongs> and with ONLY HAL SUPPORT
2017-08-11T10:51:59 < dongs> there would be more people using it?????
2017-08-11T10:52:14 < zyp> takes less time to just look at the registers and figure out what to do than figure out what the hal does and how to coerce it into doing what you want
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2017-08-11T10:52:53 < dongs> dare I try another amazing ST offering
2017-08-11T10:52:57 < dongs> STM32F0xx_STMTouch_lib
2017-08-11T10:53:03 < dongs> maybe that one makes it even EASIER
2017-08-11T10:53:06 < dongs> its a touchlib on top of hal
2017-08-11T10:53:22 < dongs> so when i call one function, i end up going like 10 on the stack until it finally touches some TSC register
2017-08-11T10:53:28 < dongs> y/yy/
2017-08-11T10:53:44 < zyp> l0?
2017-08-11T10:54:20 < dongs> cant tell if thats a I or 1
2017-08-11T10:54:55 < dongs> no, i meant thre will be 10 calls to STM32TouchFuck then __STM32TouchFuck then HAL_MOREFUCK() then __HAL_FUCK_THIS() then etc.
2017-08-11T10:55:03 < zyp> ah, 10
2017-08-11T10:55:03 < dongs> until finally ___________________HAL_IS_GREAT() will write shit to TSC->FUCKOFF;
2017-08-11T10:55:16 < zyp> hmm, shitty font here doesn't distinguish much between l and 1
2017-08-11T10:55:29 < zyp> 1 looks a bit more antialiased
2017-08-11T10:55:37 < dongs> must be a lunix desktop
2017-08-11T10:55:42 < zyp> no, windows
2017-08-11T10:55:57 < dongs> my shit can't tell any difference between 0 O I l
2017-08-11T10:56:13 < zyp> they look different enough to me
2017-08-11T10:56:27 < zyp> oh, by the way, what the fuck is up with windows updates?
2017-08-11T10:56:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/y95B82F.png
2017-08-11T10:56:50 < dongs> ya?
2017-08-11T10:56:53 < dongs> what about them
2017-08-11T10:57:20 < zyp> stuff was pestering me for a while about some shit, so I decided to let it reboot and whatever the other day
2017-08-11T10:57:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: with Terminus all those are pretty distinct.
2017-08-11T10:57:48 < zyp> fucking thing took an hour to complete
2017-08-11T10:57:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/SmnLbPr.png ahahah
2017-08-11T10:58:01 < dongs> zyp, did you install cretin update
2017-08-11T10:58:03 < PaulFertser> Yeah, all the windows laptops decided to update unexpectedely yesterday.
2017-08-11T10:58:16 < dongs> followed by cortana telling you waht you can do
2017-08-11T10:58:50 < zyp> oh, ya, there were some "new features" spam after it finished rebooting
2017-08-11T10:58:57 < zyp> idk, I just clicked "fuck this"
2017-08-11T10:58:59 < dongs> yea that was it
2017-08-11T10:59:07 < dongs> thats a full update, basically reinstalled windows for ya
2017-08-11T10:59:19 < zyp> and yes, yesterday morning I came to work and found out shit had rebooted again overnight
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2017-08-11T11:03:07 < dongs> i think im gonna install enterprise win10 on my desktops/laptop
2017-08-11T11:03:14 < dongs> its the last version where you can tlel it to FUCK OFF WITH UPDATES UNTIL I TELL YOU TO
2017-08-11T11:03:33 < dongs> now that you're on cretin update, even if you disable shit in group policy, it will still auto-downlao/install/reboot
2017-08-11T11:03:43 < dongs> latvian shit showed up
2017-08-11T11:03:53 < dongs> too busy fucking with this F0 aids to open it tho
2017-08-11T11:03:55 < dongs> huge box
2017-08-11T11:03:56 < dongs> xbox huge
2017-08-11T11:04:16 < zyp> well, the shit is full rack width
2017-08-11T11:04:28 < dongs> ya
2017-08-11T11:06:14 < dongs> eurotrash plug adatpers :(
2017-08-11T11:07:46 < PaulFertser> You prefer japtrash?
2017-08-11T11:07:53 < zyp> it's kinda annoying that they don't put the PSU inside the box, considering it's half empty anyway
2017-08-11T11:08:13 < dongs> probably some CE/UL trash
2017-08-11T11:08:31 < zyp> PaulFertser, why wouldn't he? you want plugs that fits your outlets
2017-08-11T11:11:31 < PaulFertser> zyp: because the country being dumb enough to use silly non-standard outlets doesn't really mean non-fitting plugs are trash, I'd say.
2017-08-11T11:12:18 < zyp> PaulFertser, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make now
2017-08-11T11:13:20 < dongs> those schuko plugs are fucking trash
2017-08-11T11:13:24 < dongs> in every way
2017-08-11T11:13:34 < PaulFertser> zyp: dongs saying standard euro adapters are _trash_ i.e. suck technically, but this can't be argued based solely on the fact they do not fit his outlets.
2017-08-11T11:14:58 < zyp> PaulFertser, fair enough
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2017-08-11T11:17:02 < zyp> dongs, how so? in my experience, they are less prone to falling out than japanese plugs
2017-08-11T11:17:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: so what's wrong with them? They are fitted reliably, pass high current. Probably just the fact they do not distinguish P and N but it's not something consumer devices need anyway.
2017-08-11T11:17:47 < PaulFertser> Yeah, those are very sturdy.
2017-08-11T11:17:54 < zyp> disadvantage is that they're huge, but small stuff just use europlugs anyway
2017-08-11T11:18:54 < zyp> PaulFertser, what do you consider as high current?
2017-08-11T11:19:17 < dongs> arent all those just 15A or wahtevr rated as alll household shit
2017-08-11T11:19:30 < PaulFertser> zyp: 230 V / 16 A and I would guess they can actually do twice than that with proper cable.
2017-08-11T11:19:46 < zyp> nah
2017-08-11T11:20:27 < zyp> they are rated 16A, but not really long term
2017-08-11T11:21:17 < PaulFertser> What about jap outlets? With 110V they need twice the current for the same task basically.
2017-08-11T11:21:27 < zyp> long term consumers like hot water tanks and EV charging aren't allowed to draw 16A through schuko
2017-08-11T11:22:10 < zyp> jp stuff is split phase, so high power stuff is powered live-live, for 200V
2017-08-11T11:22:32 < ReadErr> hey didnt you give me shit for running enterprise
2017-08-11T11:23:01 < dongs> yes
2017-08-11T11:23:06 < dongs> unfortunately
2017-08-11T11:23:14 < PaulFertser> zyp: many hot water boiling devices on the market need > 2kW power
2017-08-11T11:23:15 < dongs> despite it being win7ultimate of win10 for fags
2017-08-11T11:23:19 < dongs> i'd rather control wehn my shit is updated
2017-08-11T11:23:38 < ReadErr> gotta love the forced unscheduled reboot feature
2017-08-11T11:23:45 < ReadErr> come back and everything is restarted
2017-08-11T11:23:49 < PaulFertser> zyp: I mean regular consumer pots, not some big tanks etc.
2017-08-11T11:23:52 < zyp> PaulFertser, yes, and at least here they are not allowed to be connected through schuko anymore
2017-08-11T11:24:14 < zyp> PaulFertser, wait, are you talking about electric kettles?
2017-08-11T11:24:20 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes
2017-08-11T11:24:24 < zyp> oh, I'm not
2017-08-11T11:24:41 < zyp> I'm talking about the hot water system for your house/apartment
2017-08-11T11:24:44 < PaulFertser> I understand
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2017-08-11T11:25:08 < zyp> they are like 200L in a normal-sized house
2017-08-11T11:25:22 < PaulFertser> But what if you just want to use a regular common kettle in J? Need to go to that that special two-phase outlet?
2017-08-11T11:25:25 < zyp> and after a couple of showers, they take some hours to get back up to temperature
2017-08-11T11:25:48 < PeterM> PaulFertser nah kettle jsut takes either 2x tiem to boil or they put in on the gas
2017-08-11T11:26:16 < zyp> idk, most kettles I've seen in jp has been the kind that boils the water slowly and keeps it hot
2017-08-11T11:26:28 < PaulFertser> Duh, that's just silly
2017-08-11T11:26:54 < zyp> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/aplusautomation/vendorimages/40bd10fb-48a9-49d1-ba08-aa6af1de07ff.jpg._CB328848157_.jpg
2017-08-11T11:26:57 < zyp> this sort of stuff
2017-08-11T11:26:57 < PeterM> as if yo ustand around waiting on your kettle to boil anyway, you fill it up, hit the boil and then go take a shit or something
2017-08-11T11:27:21 < PaulFertser> PeterM: good way if you're always full of shit indeed.
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2017-08-11T11:27:37 < zyp> I actually bought one of those once
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2017-08-11T11:28:06 < zyp> haven't used it much, I found I don't drink enough tea or whatever to need hot water multiple times through the day
2017-08-11T11:28:32 < zyp> and when I need hot water, it's faster to just put a pot on the induction cooker
2017-08-11T11:28:44 < zyp> boils in a minute or so
2017-08-11T11:29:08 < PeterM> if im just makign single cups, i do it in the microwave
2017-08-11T11:29:17 < PeterM> takes like 1:30
2017-08-11T11:29:35 < zyp> oh, and the induction cooker is not hooked up to schuko either, it draws like 25A
2017-08-11T11:30:18 < zyp> anyway
2017-08-11T11:30:19 < PaulFertser> My washing machine at home is actually connected with a schuko plug to an unearthed socket, without an RCD and it's pretty close to the bath tub...
2017-08-11T11:30:32 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/v5UfU.jpg <- here's why I don't like schuko
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2017-08-11T11:31:24 < fest> zyp: what makes you think that wouldn't have happened to other types of sockets?
2017-08-11T11:31:39 < PaulFertser> zyp: whoa, what current was that? And what plug used? Probably a case of improper installation, i.e. the socket wires not secured or something?
2017-08-11T11:32:26 < zyp> no, it's a case of poor connection between socket and plug leading to thermal runaway
2017-08-11T11:32:41 < PaulFertser> Due to a bad plug?
2017-08-11T11:32:53 < PaulFertser> Or just not pushed fully inside?
2017-08-11T11:33:05 < zyp> due to wear, I assume
2017-08-11T11:33:33 < zyp> this was in a public parkin lot close to where one of my friends live, found this while visiting last year
2017-08-11T11:33:48 < PeterM> and poor-ish design - on a cylindrical pin it is hard to get even contact force, where as on a flat bladed pin its much easier
2017-08-11T11:34:18 < zyp> I parked there to charge overnight, plugged into one of the other outlets that weren't visibly burned
2017-08-11T11:34:52 < zyp> came back in the morning to find that charging had stopped due to thermal cutoff (charging cable has temp sensor in plug to avoid shit like that)
2017-08-11T11:34:59 < PaulFertser> zyp: probably the contacts inside corroded after the surface got weared a bit?
2017-08-11T11:35:06 < zyp> probably
2017-08-11T11:35:49 < zyp> but the thing is, schuko doesn't have a lot of contact area, so it's not very tolerant to wear
2017-08-11T11:36:12 < PaulFertser> It's damn hard to understand which outlet is nice and realiable and which is not. I tried asking at a big shop selling that kind of stuff once, and they had no clue whatsoever.
2017-08-11T11:36:24 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_connector <- compare it to something like this which is designed for charging
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2017-08-11T11:37:05 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60309 <- or even just these
2017-08-11T11:37:16 < PaulFertser> Round pins
2017-08-11T11:37:21 < zyp> I have the 16A variant of those at home, for charging
2017-08-11T11:37:37 < zyp> yes, round pins, but the socket has long sleeves
2017-08-11T11:38:22 < PeterM> and the sleeves are probbaly more than a fraction of a millkimeter thick so are ridgid
2017-08-11T11:38:40 < PeterM> where as domestic sockets contacts are so thin and flimsy
2017-08-11T11:39:30 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/OZXza.JPG <- this is from the previous place I lived, but I got the same sort of outlet installed where I live now
2017-08-11T11:39:31 < PaulFertser> Portable home appliances rarely need high current.
2017-08-11T11:39:49 < zyp> PaulFertser, and over long time
2017-08-11T11:40:29 < PaulFertser> zyp: yeah. How's your car btw? Anything worth mentioning?
2017-08-11T11:40:45 < zyp> really happy with it
2017-08-11T11:40:49 < PaulFertser> I've heard modern cars are not supposed to last though.
2017-08-11T11:41:02 < zyp> think I've been driving around 32000km so far
2017-08-11T11:41:20 < PaulFertser> So 3-5 years -> sell it to russia or some other poor country
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2017-08-11T11:41:46 < zyp> idk how much I was driving with my old car and whether I drive more now
2017-08-11T11:41:58 < zyp> but it at least feels that I do
2017-08-11T11:42:05 < PaulFertser> unrelated, but in China it's prohibited to use a motorbike > 13 y.o. at all.
2017-08-11T11:42:48 < zyp> because the cost is so cheap I don't really factor that into the equation of whether I should go anywhere anymore
2017-08-11T11:43:09 < PaulFertser> So one has no choice but to dump old trash to buy some new trash.
2017-08-11T11:43:21 < fest> zyp: that's e-golf?
2017-08-11T11:43:24 < zyp> yes
2017-08-11T11:43:46 < fest> what's the range in winter on those?
2017-08-11T11:44:50 < zyp> depends on a lot of stuff, but I figure ~120km on 80kph limit roads
2017-08-11T11:44:51 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/sport/dumbniggerdead/0030441d5713378cce1b8e14fa70df1d
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2017-08-11T11:46:36 < zyp> do note, I have last year's model
2017-08-11T11:46:42 < zyp> the current model has a 50% larger battery
2017-08-11T11:46:46 < dongs> Thabete - who hailed from Umlazi in KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
2017-08-11T11:46:48 < dongs> Lol
2017-08-11T11:46:52 < fest> that's reasonable, I've heard rumours that they did a lot worse in Norway winters
2017-08-11T11:47:40 < zyp> on highways they probably do
2017-08-11T11:48:00 < dongs> 0x03 HAL_TSC_STATE_ERROR
2017-08-11T11:48:01 < dongs> awesome
2017-08-11T11:48:12 < dongs> descriptive!
2017-08-11T11:48:17 < zyp> I mean, assuming you insist on not driving below the speed limit
2017-08-11T11:49:10 < zyp> there's no law here that says you have to drive faster than 80 even if the speed limit is higher
2017-08-11T11:49:21 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/VcPBK oh yea
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2017-08-11T11:51:19 < PeterM> zyp im sure there are laws about being a danger to other road users though, so no 50km/h in the middle lane on a 100km/h sign posted road
2017-08-11T11:51:31 < zyp> PeterM, correct
2017-08-11T11:52:52 < zyp> but considering cars pulling trailers are restricted to 80km/h regardless of the speed limit being higher, cars not driving faster than 80 should be expected
2017-08-11T11:53:32 < PeterM> indeed
2017-08-11T11:53:44 < PaulFertser> Also, trucks going 90 which is pretty close
2017-08-11T11:53:48 < stvn> hmm
2017-08-11T11:53:50 < zyp> besides, all roads with speed limits of 100km/h or higher are multilane roads, so passing shouldn't be a problem anyway
2017-08-11T11:54:57 < zyp> when I drove to .fi for summer vacation, I traded cars with a friend that has a gasoline polo
2017-08-11T11:55:19 < zyp> since polo is basically just a smaller golf, it's pretty much the same thing, just with a gasoline engine
2017-08-11T11:56:07 < zyp> once you get used to electric, gasoline cars just feels so slow in response
2017-08-11T11:57:02 < zyp> step on the accelerator and the car has to change down and accelerate up to an RPM where it actually makes power
2017-08-11T11:57:43 < zyp> with an electric car, you step on the accelerator and get the power instantly
2017-08-11T11:58:35 < zyp> of course, it doesn't help that that car had a small engine either
2017-08-11T12:00:07 < dongs> zyp drives a kei car
2017-08-11T12:00:15 < PaulFertser> Or if you have money to spare you can always stay in the right gear.
2017-08-11T12:00:38 < zyp> haha
2017-08-11T12:00:54 < zyp> dongs, doubt it
2017-08-11T12:01:00 < PaulFertser> Well, it actually makes sense on my 125cc bike, I'm almost always at 5k+ RPM
2017-08-11T12:01:17 < zyp> dongs, doesn't kei regulations both have power and weight limit? pretty sure I exceed both of those
2017-08-11T12:01:47 < PaulFertser> I'd like to buy a kei car but they're prohibitively expensive here :/
2017-08-11T12:01:56 < zyp> ah, not weight, just size
2017-08-11T12:02:02 < zyp> and power
2017-08-11T12:02:09 < zyp> and displacement, which doesn't apply
2017-08-11T12:02:38 < dongs> weirdly there are no hybrid kei cars
2017-08-11T12:02:46 < zyp> power limit is 47kW, mine has 85
2017-08-11T12:03:08 < zyp> dunno if that's weird
2017-08-11T12:03:22 < dongs> hm wat wikipedo says there was hybrid kei back in 2003 with some suzuki shit
2017-08-11T12:03:24 < dongs> ive never seen them
2017-08-11T12:03:35 < dongs> hmm wagon R hybrid exists too
2017-08-11T12:03:36 < dongs> weird
2017-08-11T12:03:39 < dongs> ok maybe im  wrong then
2017-08-11T12:04:14 < zyp> I'm just thinking, hybrid powertrains take more space than either/or
2017-08-11T12:04:20 < dongs> yah sure
2017-08-11T12:04:34 < PeterM> and when youre on jsut batts its jsut extra weight
2017-08-11T12:04:39 < PeterM> which could be mroe batts
2017-08-11T12:06:30 < zyp> ah, japanese vehicle taxation includes a weight tax, so there's still incentive to keep the weight down
2017-08-11T12:09:39 < dongs> wow
2017-08-11T12:09:42 < dongs> st stuff does multitouch
2017-08-11T12:09:57 < zyp> in what sense?
2017-08-11T12:10:00 < dongs> the captouch shit
2017-08-11T12:10:15 < zyp> yeah?
2017-08-11T12:10:33 < dongs> im getting prope readings from all 3 zones
2017-08-11T12:10:40 < dongs> if I touch them at once, or in sequence etc
2017-08-11T12:11:00 < zyp> I don't see why you shouldn't
2017-08-11T12:11:09 < dongs> shrug , atmel stuff had issues with it
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2017-08-11T12:14:23 < sync> zyp: fuck driving below the limit.
2017-08-11T12:14:50 < sync> But yeah throttle response is the only nice thing about electric cars
2017-08-11T12:15:28 < zyp> lack of noise too
2017-08-11T12:15:37 < zyp> and operating costs
2017-08-11T12:16:35 < zyp> and yeah, there's good enough charging infrastructure around here now that you don't really need to think much about saving power
2017-08-11T12:18:02 < sync> Lack of noise, pfft. If you don't drive an econobox the are pretty quiet as well
2017-08-11T12:18:24 < sync> Range is still pathetic tho
2017-08-11T12:19:05 < zyp> just off the top of my head, I know of at least 26 fast chargers at 10 different locations within 50km
2017-08-11T12:19:56 < zyp> so at least in this part of norway, it's pretty hard to run out and get stuck somewhere :p
2017-08-11T12:20:30 < sync> If there is an electric car that can take me 600km in sub 4.5h I would consider buying it
2017-08-11T12:23:37 < zyp> we don't have autobahn in norway, so I tend to not give a fuck about the car not being suitable for the autobahn
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2017-08-11T12:24:10 < stvn> Sifiso Lungelo Thabete’s attempt to entertain the crowd as he entered the arena went horribly wrong when he didn’t rotate far enough and landed on his head, breaking his neck.
2017-08-11T12:25:22 < sync> Yeah but still. If I am going somewhere I want to avg 100kmh or more
2017-08-11T12:25:52 < sync> And full electric is not ready for it
2017-08-11T12:26:04 < sync> Also poor lateral performance
2017-08-11T12:26:56 < zyp> how so? I'd think the low mass center due to the battery placement would give EVs very good lateral performance
2017-08-11T12:27:35 < zyp> hmm
2017-08-11T12:27:38 < Laurenceb> with uk grid electric cars emit more than diesel
2017-08-11T12:28:06 < Laurenceb> diesel with CNG is the way to go
2017-08-11T12:28:26 < zyp> in norway I don't think we have any highway stretches (i.e. roads where you are actually allowed to drive at least 100km/h) that are longer than what a tesla could do on a single charge
2017-08-11T12:29:46 < sync> The low CG is killed by the weight and the skinny tires
2017-08-11T12:29:51 < Laurenceb> if I could be bothered with PR reality distortion field I'd try developing and selling CNG kits for diesel
2017-08-11T12:29:58 < zyp> averaging >100km/h on a 600km trip in norway will have you breaking speed limits for most of the trip in any car, unless you're going to drive back and forth on the same stretch
2017-08-11T12:30:30 < zyp> sync, what EVs have skinny tires except the bmw i3?
2017-08-11T12:30:42 < sync> Almost all of them
2017-08-11T12:30:53 < zyp> what do you consider skinny?
2017-08-11T12:31:21 < dongs> wtf is a skinny tire
2017-08-11T12:31:52 < Laurenceb> narrow
2017-08-11T12:31:54 < zyp> dongs: https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/bK866CZq-n4IbPQ0LwkvyyPA8R4=/fit-in/970x0/2015/04/20/a31386d8-94cf-4068-b8a7-9fba07b410be/bmwi3bridgestoneep500-25.jpg
2017-08-11T12:31:56 < Laurenceb> like a bike tire
2017-08-11T12:32:02 < sync> Everything under 225
2017-08-11T12:32:26 < Laurenceb> dongs: narrower than ur cock
2017-08-11T12:32:27 < dongs> eww
2017-08-11T12:32:33 < dongs> zyp, that looks terrible
2017-08-11T12:32:40 < zyp> yes
2017-08-11T12:32:52 < zyp> i3 looks terrible in general
2017-08-11T12:33:23 < Laurenceb> wtf everything about that vehicle
2017-08-11T12:33:25 < zyp> but it's a pretty good car according to my friend that owns one
2017-08-11T12:33:27 < Laurenceb> eye bleach
2017-08-11T12:33:33 < sync> zyp: going anywhere in .no must be a pain then
2017-08-11T12:34:03 < Laurenceb> muh car http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTIyWDgwMA==/z/BCYAAOSwDk5UBLDM/$_32.JPG
2017-08-11T12:38:03 < zyp> sync, idk, we have airports if there's anywhere we need to be in a hurry
2017-08-11T12:38:51 < sync> Meh, sure
2017-08-11T12:39:12 < sync> Everything within ~1000km I just drive
2017-08-11T12:39:18 < stvn> stick it
2017-08-11T12:39:28 < karlp> you do realise that not everyone is in germany, or shares that world view right sync?
2017-08-11T12:40:11 < zyp> when I think about it, there's not a lot of places I go to that's further away than 300km but still closer than 1000km
2017-08-11T12:41:16 < sync> Of course karlp
2017-08-11T12:41:36 < zyp> my parents live around 1700km away
2017-08-11T12:41:55 < zyp> and most of my friends live within 300km in one direction or the other
2017-08-11T12:43:55 < sync> But which world view karlp? That slow cars with no range are not a workable solution?
2017-08-11T12:44:15 < dongs> zyp, fuckin hell
2017-08-11T12:44:20 < dongs> they even have a fucking hole for IEC socket
2017-08-11T12:44:23 < dongs> in the back of CRS
2017-08-11T12:44:29 < dongs> and yet a fucking outside power brick
2017-08-11T12:44:31 < zyp> dongs, yes, exactly
2017-08-11T12:44:32 < stvn> CRT
2017-08-11T12:44:33 < dongs> w t f
2017-08-11T12:45:09 < dongs> i think im just gonna negro a 24V meanwell pcb in there
2017-08-11T12:45:20 < stvn> yeah
2017-08-11T12:46:07 < zyp> yeah, I were thinking the same
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2017-08-11T12:46:26 < zyp> "if I'm buying one of those, I'll just open it up and stuff a PSU inside"
2017-08-11T12:46:38 < karlp> sync: I was more commenting on the "cars and driving networks where I don't maintain > 100kph for entire journey are stupid and wrong"
2017-08-11T12:47:05 < dongs> germans are fags, rite
2017-08-11T12:47:21 < stvn> hitler was a good guy
2017-08-11T12:47:29 < zyp> karlp, how's iceland btw, how far can you drive and still go anywhere?
2017-08-11T12:47:46 < karlp> what do you  mean "and still go anywhere" ?
2017-08-11T12:47:53 < stvn> plenty to talk about
2017-08-11T12:48:08 < karlp> 90kph speedlimit anyway.
2017-08-11T12:48:19 < karlp> about 50km of dual carriageway maybe, total.
2017-08-11T12:48:37 < karlp> ring road still has a dirt section.
2017-08-11T12:48:39 < zyp> karlp, I have this impression that most people live in and around Reykjavik
2017-08-11T12:48:56 < karlp> they do. ~2/3rds or so of population is in the capital area.
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2017-08-11T12:49:10 < sync> Well yeah karlp, idk. I just find it inefficient
2017-08-11T12:49:11 < karlp> maybe more like 3/4
2017-08-11T12:49:49 < zyp> karlp, yeah, so if you're driving outside of that area, you're kinda going to the middle of nowhere, which is not too interesting, I guess
2017-08-11T12:50:00 < zyp> so how far is it across the interesting area?
2017-08-11T12:50:02 < karlp> or very interesting, depending on purpose...
2017-08-11T12:50:06 < dongs> i wonder if t his shit will be manageable by winbox
2017-08-11T12:50:30 < zyp> dongs, is there any big differences between CRS and CSS?
2017-08-11T12:50:45 < zyp> IIRC they talked about routeros and swos
2017-08-11T12:50:52 < zyp> what's the difference between those?
2017-08-11T12:50:54 < karlp> if you're defining "interesting" as "where most people live/work" then I dunno, fucking small.  capital area is only like 200k people still.
2017-08-11T12:51:08 < dongs> i think routeros is more lunix shit, swos is just cutdown thing just to do switching
2017-08-11T12:51:11 < dongs> and no fancy trash
2017-08-11T12:51:28 < zyp> karlp, as in where most people would have any reason to go for anything except recreation
2017-08-11T12:52:32 < zyp> because most of norway are places I'd only go to enjoy the scenery
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2017-08-11T12:53:02 < zyp> and when that's the case, I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere
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2017-08-11T12:53:44 < zyp> seems to me that iceland must be perfect for electric cars, unless you have silly expensive electricity or something
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2017-08-11T12:54:22 < karlp> and we have a fairly rapidly growing community of electric cars and chargers.
2017-08-11T12:54:40 < karlp> but we as people still very much like going to those places that are not where we live.
2017-08-11T12:54:55 < zyp> how's coverage along the ring around the island?
2017-08-11T12:55:04 < karlp> poor.
2017-08-11T12:55:15 < karlp> but it's off the ring road that starts to matter too.
2017-08-11T12:55:37 < karlp> I saw a charging station up off the road beside a transformer station the other day driving home.
2017-08-11T12:56:19 < karlp> I know it's expanding, but an ecar here would have to be a second car for me and my family
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2017-08-11T12:56:27 < karlp> sure we could rent for trips maybe
2017-08-11T12:56:29 < karlp> but fuck that,
2017-08-11T12:56:38 < karlp> renting is far too much hassle for life
2017-08-11T12:58:43 < sync> zyp: it is not like I am in a hurry to get anywhere it is just that I like to drive fast
2017-08-11T13:00:02 < zyp> when the road is not straight and wide, you don't need to drive in 100+ for it to feel fast :p
2017-08-11T13:00:10  * karlp grins
2017-08-11T13:00:21 < dongs> i have nets
2017-08-11T13:00:24 < dongs> on new switch
2017-08-11T13:00:32 < zyp> woo
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2017-08-11T13:04:15 < dongs> wo silcense
2017-08-11T13:04:18 < dongs> silence even
2017-08-11T13:04:24 < dongs> that thing was causing halkf the noise in my rack
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2017-08-11T13:04:36 < zyp> haha, switch fans are fucking noisy
2017-08-11T13:04:52 < stvn> threadripper
2017-08-11T13:04:53 < stvn> rofl
2017-08-11T13:05:00 < zyp> https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm <- that's why this thing looks nice
2017-08-11T13:05:38 < zyp> I guess when I get to the point where I need more 10G ports, I'll buy one of those rather than power up the old nortel stuff I got
2017-08-11T13:06:21 < stvn> THREADRIPPER
2017-08-11T13:08:39 < dongs> zyp, that one has AC cord
2017-08-11T13:08:55 < zyp> two of them, even
2017-08-11T13:10:30 < dongs> wow
2017-08-11T13:10:35 < dongs> it has per port byte/packet rates
2017-08-11T13:10:44 < dongs> in a nice grid
2017-08-11T13:10:55 < zyp> doesn't all managed switches have that?
2017-08-11T13:11:05 < dongs> not this stuff i had
2017-08-11T13:11:28 < dongs> heh
2017-08-11T13:11:30 < dongs> it can auto-download OS
2017-08-11T13:11:45 < dongs> *) fixed CRS317: make 10G links more stable;
2017-08-11T13:14:15 < Steffanx> Welcome stvn
2017-08-11T13:14:22 < Steffanx> Y is your old pc on?
2017-08-11T13:14:25 < stvn> hello friend
2017-08-11T13:14:30 < zyp> hmm, M24SR doesn't have energy harvesting like M24LR
2017-08-11T13:14:33 < stvn> nobody is paying attention to me steffan
2017-08-11T13:14:56 < stvn> amd have a new autistic processor
2017-08-11T13:15:01 < stvn> called 'threadripper'
2017-08-11T13:15:31 < Rob235> is there any cheap way to determine if two things are parallel to eachother? like how far off the angle is
2017-08-11T13:15:45 < zyp> Rob235, define things
2017-08-11T13:16:02 < Rob235> like if you had two linear rails (like for a cnc of some sort)
2017-08-11T13:16:53 < stvn> do you smoke a lot of marijuana?
2017-08-11T13:17:14 < Steffanx> I dont smoke. Not ever
2017-08-11T13:18:15 < jpa-> Rob235: how good accuracy do you need?
2017-08-11T13:19:01 < jpa-> just measuring the distance carefully can get you pretty close
2017-08-11T13:19:26 < jpa-> but the usual trick people use is to just move the carriage back and forth while you are tightening the second rail, then it will automatically align
2017-08-11T13:20:09 < Rob235> not sure, its for a drawing robot that is made of two separate arms and I want them to be able to draw one image together which would need some sort of way to ... Instead of finishing that thought, how about detecting the edge of the paper?
2017-08-11T13:21:23 < jpa-> for angles relative to horizontal, accelerometers are quite cheap
2017-08-11T13:21:41 < jpa-> for other angles, putting some markers or IR leds on them and using a camera may be the easiest
2017-08-11T13:23:04 < Rob235> hmmm
2017-08-11T13:23:27 < Rob235> how would you use a camera for that?
2017-08-11T13:24:35 < Rob235> I have a few of those cheap laser diodes but I couldnt figure out how I could use them
2017-08-11T13:25:55 < jpa-> i would just detect location of two points on each arm with the camera and calculate the angles from that
2017-08-11T13:26:15 < Rob235> ok i'll look into that, thanks
2017-08-11T13:26:16 < jpa-> if you can arrange the camera to be perpendicular to the plane of the arms, a single camera is enough; if not, you can use two cameras
2017-08-11T13:26:59 < dongs> oh thank fuck
2017-08-11T13:27:04 < dongs> the G3 cam uses regular iec cord
2017-08-11T13:27:10 < dongs> so i can just swap that shit for a normal cable
2017-08-11T13:27:24 < dongs> instead of dumb schuko
2017-08-11T13:27:55 < dongs> of course if thsi stuff works i will just get a small poe switch for all of htem instead of individual bricks
2017-08-11T13:29:07 < zyp> just make sure you get the right sort of PoE
2017-08-11T13:29:15 < zyp> a bunch of the ubnt stuff is nonstandard 24V
2017-08-11T13:29:16 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/705WA0i.gifv
2017-08-11T13:30:00 < dongs> 24v passive poe
2017-08-11T13:30:01 < dongs> yua sounds like it
2017-08-11T13:31:01 < fest> yes, the new products are all being moved to 802 whatever at/af PoE
2017-08-11T13:31:02 < upgrdman> poe is norally 48vac right?
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2017-08-11T13:39:19 < fest> dongs: US-8-150W supports both proper PoE and also non-standard stuff (configurable per-port)
2017-08-11T13:39:54 < dongs> damn dude that costs 2x mroe than mikrodik 24port=10gbe
2017-08-11T13:39:56 < dongs> :)
2017-08-11T13:40:06 < dongs> oh, 1st price i saw was japprice
2017-08-11T13:40:15 < dongs> which was liek $300
2017-08-11T13:41:30 < invzim> he, another quote on micro-sd connectors, looks like the same but yet another name
2017-08-11T13:41:47 < invzim> 0.06usd when ordering a 100, I can live with that :)
2017-08-11T13:43:07 < invzim> dongs: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8P7XCTh21esR2NMd3dVVFUybWc/view
2017-08-11T13:43:10 < invzim> for your collection
2017-08-11T13:43:35 < dongs> sweet. saved
2017-08-11T13:43:45 < dongs> hm
2017-08-11T13:43:50 < dongs> i have no idea waht IP the camera grabbed
2017-08-11T13:44:25 < invzim> at this point I'm pretty confident that part will be easy enough to source for anyone
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2017-08-11T13:50:34 < upgrdman> im not sure why, but this makes me very happy https://gfycat.com/DrearySnoopyAlbertosaurus
2017-08-11T13:51:46 < dongs> eh
2017-08-11T13:51:52 < dongs> this camera has no zone detection or anything
2017-08-11T13:51:53 < dongs> wtf
2017-08-11T14:02:22 < upgrdman> lol   https://i.redd.it/99albjvhpoez.gif
2017-08-11T14:03:11 < dongs> dudebro
2017-08-11T14:03:13 < dongs> an actua. .gif
2017-08-11T14:03:15 < dongs> actual
2017-08-11T14:03:22 < dongs> its loading at literally 1 fps
2017-08-11T14:04:02 < karlp> your internet sucks then
2017-08-11T14:04:11 < karlp> loaded, watched a few times, closed already
2017-08-11T14:04:58 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/IdenticalJampackedHamadryas
2017-08-11T14:05:15 < dongs> uh is thast it
2017-08-11T14:05:28 < dongs> g  a y
2017-08-11T14:06:26 < karlp> just like it says on the back of the truck.
2017-08-11T14:14:38 < stvn> 999
2017-08-11T14:17:08 < stvn>  F A G
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2017-08-11T14:23:44 < invzim> moar speed kb/s= 7481 :)
2017-08-11T14:24:31 < invzim> 8192 bytes buffer
2017-08-11T14:24:48 < stvn> electrical fast transient
2017-08-11T14:24:50 < stvn> dog and his bone
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2017-08-11T14:25:06 < stvn> nigger split
2017-08-11T14:25:42 < invzim> kb/s= 9097 with 16k buffer - seems buffer size is key
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2017-08-11T14:28:43 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz5gja7XtYE
2017-08-11T14:30:00 < Steffanx> Stvn even crt aint this weird
2017-08-11T14:30:13 < Steffanx> Hows diptracing?
2017-08-11T14:30:19 < stvn> haven't started yet
2017-08-11T14:30:24 < stvn> that's a saturday thing
2017-08-11T14:31:33 < Steffanx> Its not
2017-08-11T14:31:46 < Steffanx> It should be a way of life
2017-08-11T14:33:39 < stvn> i'll tell you how i go
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2017-08-11T14:41:47 < karlp> invzim: now go and read about bufferbloat ;)
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2017-08-11T14:44:50 < karlp> huh https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13896?utm_campaign=August%2011%2C%202017&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=55184694&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--W4_spnwCJ43OOnlLbGkIeoXgWSAuHG3ePOh8ygojy1FLtHghID9F-eTGWzcfWdCDA4qOG0BVaNMBaDujpZH5xghrhPA
2017-08-11T14:44:55 < karlp> fucking urls
2017-08-11T14:45:15 < karlp> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13896?fuckyourtrackingspam for more fun
2017-08-11T14:45:41 < dongs> karlp: asus shitbooks running windows 10 are like $150
2017-08-11T14:45:47 < dongs> and are infinitely more useful
2017-08-11T14:45:51 < karlp> oh for sure,
2017-08-11T14:45:56 < dongs> than this lunix shitware running on a garbage arm shitproc
2017-08-11T14:46:04 < karlp> I just didn't know people went this far with "must have a rpi"
2017-08-11T14:46:21 < dongs> t here was a dickstarter that did 10-something mil
2017-08-11T14:46:23 < dongs> for literally that
2017-08-11T14:46:30 < dongs> some shitberrypi in a box with a monitor/keyboard
2017-08-11T14:46:32 < dongs> fucking gross
2017-08-11T14:46:41 < karlp> but can you do this with you rasus shitbook? https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/2/3/5/0/14356-06.jpg
2017-08-11T14:46:45 < dongs> i wish maker:s would all get some kinda aids and die off
2017-08-11T14:46:46  * karlp grins
2017-08-11T14:47:08 < dongs> wow, a hdmi to edp converter
2017-08-11T14:47:09 < karlp> havne't you just always wanted a flap inside your laptop where you can poke a soldering iron?
2017-08-11T14:47:35 < dongs> layout looks stolen from my hdmidp board actually
2017-08-11T14:47:39 < Steffanx> Without makers you would have no entertainment in your life dongs
2017-08-11T14:47:40 < dongs> i should DMCA them
2017-08-11T14:48:31 < dongs> wha's P1-P5
2017-08-11T14:48:35 < dongs> is that some lunix thing
2017-08-11T14:48:42 < dongs> 5 styles of poop
2017-08-11T14:48:52 < karlp> no idea.
2017-08-11T14:49:13 < karlp> probably some magical Pi thing
2017-08-11T14:49:31 < karlp> I mean, hey, you get a uSD inside an adaptor foryour entire OS and primary storage
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2017-08-11T14:50:38 < jadew`> I wonder who uses that
2017-08-11T14:50:47 < dongs> faggots
2017-08-11T14:50:56 < jadew`> and if you want to poke with your soldering iron in your laptop, you're free to do so
2017-08-11T14:51:05 < jadew`> there are quite a couple of serial buses you can hook up to
2017-08-11T14:53:38 < stvn> FAG
2017-08-11T14:53:47 < stvn> the dogs
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2017-08-11T15:05:35 < stvn> peter
2017-08-11T15:05:46 < stvn> did you know steffan is coming down to australia
2017-08-11T15:09:51  * stvn throws a magnet at PeterM 
2017-08-11T15:12:09 < Steffanx> I am?
2017-08-11T15:12:14 < stvn> yes
2017-08-11T15:12:19 < Steffanx> Ok. When?
2017-08-11T15:12:20 < stvn> remember what you told me last night in bed?
2017-08-11T15:12:32 < Steffanx> Nein?
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2017-08-11T15:14:08 < stvn> ah fuck
2017-08-11T15:14:15 < stvn> that must have been my sister
2017-08-11T15:14:18 < stvn> how embarrasing
2017-08-11T15:15:28 < Steffanx> Get some vb.
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2017-08-11T15:16:50 < stvn> nty
2017-08-11T15:17:01 < stvn> can u fix PeterM for me
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2017-08-11T15:20:25 < abiogenesis> Steffanx: Guten Tag
2017-08-11T15:21:01 < Steffanx> Im not germab ;)
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2017-08-11T15:21:47 < abiogenesis> Steffanx: so what ? I'm not allowed to send greets to u?
2017-08-11T15:21:50 < abiogenesis> ;)
2017-08-11T15:21:55 < Steffanx> You are
2017-08-11T15:23:39 < upgrdman> i wonder how poorly i could mine buttcoins with my vps
2017-08-11T15:24:21 < upgrdman> would be pretty lol'y if i could mine $5 worth of buttcoin per month on my $5 vps
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2017-08-11T15:30:05 < sync> zyp: oh for sure, I used to rally, narrow and twisty is fun
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2017-08-11T15:44:17 < szwetsloot> Hey guys. Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a -an and a -au chip?
2017-08-11T15:46:11 < stvn> chip
2017-08-11T15:46:41 < szwetsloot> http://nl.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=HVbQlW5zcXWX3BOs5fubHQ%3d%3d
2017-08-11T15:46:44 < szwetsloot> http://nl.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=Nb%252bVlYz%2f1KK4pFXEIAhnSQ%3d%3d
2017-08-11T15:46:45 < szwetsloot> Those 2
2017-08-11T15:47:21 < szwetsloot> Usually I buy -au, but it's sold out
2017-08-11T15:48:07 < qyx> don't look like a stm32
2017-08-11T15:48:24 < jpa-> yeah, why aren't you in ##sam4s
2017-08-11T15:48:24 < szwetsloot> it is
2017-08-11T15:48:34 < szwetsloot> okay
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2017-08-11T15:48:44 < qyx> wat
2017-08-11T15:48:52 < qyx> that was fast
2017-08-11T15:49:56 < sync> rekt
2017-08-11T15:50:15 < upgrdman> anyone use a big usb power bank? like >10Ah? neat or a gimmick?
2017-08-11T15:50:38 < sync> with usb c pd it is not as shitty
2017-08-11T15:50:39 < jpa-> upgrdman: i have a 350Wh one but pretty much never use it for usb
2017-08-11T15:50:58 < upgrdman> lol 350?
2017-08-11T15:51:03 < upgrdman> how big
2017-08-11T15:51:09 < jpa-> ebike battery :P
2017-08-11T15:51:11 < qyx> 350wh?
2017-08-11T15:51:16 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-08-11T15:52:01 < jpa-> i did once use it for watching whole day of netflix when i was sick (there is no outlet near the couch)
2017-08-11T15:54:57 < fest> wtf is this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RJ45-Male-to-USB-AF-A-Female-Adapter-Socket-LAN-Network-Ethernet-Router-Plug-B-H-/182492606272 ?
2017-08-11T15:55:26 < fest> is it really an usb nic?
2017-08-11T15:55:32 < fest> doesn't make any sense
2017-08-11T15:58:54 < jpa-> fest: it is used to run usb peripherals over twisted pair cable
2017-08-11T15:59:08 < jpa-> it is handy if you have network wires already installed in the building
2017-08-11T15:59:39 < jpa-> usb full speed can go pretty long over twisted pair - those things are often used to connect e.g. mouse and keyboard to some projector computer in auditoriums etc.
2017-08-11T16:00:03 < jpa-> so it is just straight adapter
2017-08-11T16:00:16 < fest> ooh, if you have rj45 sockets already it could be useful
2017-08-11T16:00:36 < jpa-> yeah
2017-08-11T16:00:57 < jpa-> http://i.imgur.com/gn8XwjC.jpg    similar thing that is useful if you want to put a projector outdoors in your garden
2017-08-11T16:00:58 < fest> so there probably is a usb male counterpart
2017-08-11T16:01:06 < jpa-> probably yeah
2017-08-11T16:01:16 < fest> :>
2017-08-11T16:03:01 < Steffanx> Dont be so mean to dutchies jpa-
2017-08-11T16:05:14 < jpa-> oh yeah.. it is inconsiderate to mention watering gardens when all your land is underwater anyway
2017-08-11T16:05:50 < Steffanx> I meant to mr szwetsloot
2017-08-11T16:06:42 < jpa-> ah, yeah, didn't expect him to take it so badly
2017-08-11T16:07:50 < stvn> h i stenf
2017-08-11T16:08:57 < Steffanx> Hah.
2017-08-11T16:08:59 < Steffanx> Hi
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2017-08-11T16:19:22 < zyp> jpa-, hahaha
2017-08-11T16:21:20 < zyp> upgrdman, I brought like 200Wh to .fi since I stayed at a cabin without electricity for a week and a half
2017-08-11T16:21:45 < zyp> barely used much of it
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2017-08-11T16:28:07 < zyp> https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4329/35902824125_3c2905547c_k.jpg <- then again, this helped
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2017-08-11T16:45:32 < abiogenesis> someone an idea why CubeMx pins my Ports Yellow? didnt configurated anything yet.. http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=c561ba-1502459328.png
2017-08-11T16:45:41 < abiogenesis> im using an st32 f767zi
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2017-08-11T17:13:28 < abiogenesis> no one an idea?
2017-08-11T17:13:49 < karlp> pretty sure the tool has inline help saying what the conflicts are.
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2017-08-11T17:39:53 < fest> abiogenesis: which pins are you talking about?
2017-08-11T17:40:39 < abiogenesis> all the orange, i started cubemx with my board and this apperead
2017-08-11T17:41:05 < abiogenesis> so this is the initial code from projects which i want to create
2017-08-11T17:41:24 < abiogenesis> so my question is, if cubemx does it right, or something is wrong with this
2017-08-11T17:41:25 < fest> it seems to me you have probably started a project by selecting some devboard, not just the chip itself when creating the project
2017-08-11T17:42:09 < abiogenesis> yes if i open cubemx i go to "board selector" and choose my board
2017-08-11T17:43:22 < abiogenesis> ok,
2017-08-11T17:43:39 < fest> and you are surprised that the pins of the chip are configured according to the board you selected? :)
2017-08-11T17:43:44 < abiogenesis> if i open it via MCU .. there is nothing orange.. some pins are yellow like VDD and VSS
2017-08-11T17:47:09 < fest> probably the pins are assigned but corresponding peripheral has not been enabled/configured
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2017-08-11T18:21:54 < abiogenesis> i got a problem getting my HD44780 LCD running.. here my files.. hd44780.h: https://pastebin.com/ErWugRsQ
2017-08-11T18:21:54 < abiogenesis> https://pastebin.com/TEUJkChJ main.h ... main.c : https://pastebin.com/HmKeY2SX
2017-08-11T18:22:19 < abiogenesis> https://pastebin.com/205ZG0Gn and the HD44780.c
2017-08-11T18:22:44 < abiogenesis> im running an stm32 f767zi.. the project compiles without mistakes.. but nothing happens on the board.
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2017-08-11T18:24:46 < abiogenesis> https://pastebin.com/SLZEbYY5 here my pin routing
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2017-08-11T18:37:53 < R0b0t1`> Is there a GNU affiliated release of an arm-none-eabi toolchain? What is the recommended toolchain to use?
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2017-08-11T18:44:34 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: you can self-compile from upstream gcc + newlib sources, np
2017-08-11T18:44:46 < Thorn> R0b0t1`: this one is recommended https://developer.arm.com/open-source/gnu-toolchain/gnu-rm
2017-08-11T18:44:50 < R0b0t1`> I plan on doing that later but at the moment I'm on Windows
2017-08-11T18:45:03 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: just grab what Thorn says then
2017-08-11T18:45:22 < Thorn> no idea if any other toolchains are still maintained
2017-08-11T18:45:36 < R0b0t1`> I might have too, I am surprised there are no GNU releases. Sadly there's nothing like crossdev for Windows and/or it seems to never have been ported
2017-08-11T18:45:41 < R0b0t1`> have to*
2017-08-11T18:46:10 < R0b0t1`> Alright, thansk
2017-08-11T18:46:12 < R0b0t1`> thanks*
2017-08-11T18:46:13 < Thorn> (I mean gcc based, not keil lol)
2017-08-11T18:46:38 < R0b0t1`> Yeah
2017-08-11T18:54:15 < Thorn> to put things in perspective, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM8#Compiler_support
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2017-08-11T18:58:40 < karlp> R0b0t1`: you can use gnu vanilla too if you like
2017-08-11T18:58:46 < karlp> you're just going to be behind on things.
2017-08-11T18:59:14 < karlp> and then you'll have to get all the options just right on how you build it.
2017-08-11T19:00:39 < Thorn> in fact even clang should work (although nobody seems to use it for cortex-m still afaik)
2017-08-11T19:02:26 < R0b0t1`> karlp: My intent was to compile GCC 7.1.0 for arm-none-eabi or to find a release of that version. It seems that I could be able to find instructions for compiling GCC on Windows *somewhere*, though it's certainly easier to do on Linux
2017-08-11T19:03:05 < R0b0t1`> I'm not sure that would be behind but it does look like the ARM supplied toolchain has some patches that might be orthogonal to mainline GCC
2017-08-11T19:03:25 < PaulFertser> msys2 should be able to install everything you might want to build a cross-compiler.
2017-08-11T19:03:29 < R0b0t1`> s/could/should/
2017-08-11T19:04:39 < R0b0t1`> PaulFertser: I'll try that then
2017-08-11T19:04:46 < R0b0t1`> Seems like GCC recommends it
2017-08-11T19:05:05 < karlp> if you want to compile it yourself, have fun.  you might still find the readme in the arm download useful as it describes all the steps used to compile the binary packages
2017-08-11T19:05:32 < karlp> if you're not planning on working on the compiler though, I'd highly recommend sticking with the release versions used by everyone else.
2017-08-11T19:06:58 < invzim> anyone played with the st crypto library?
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2017-08-11T19:21:59 < Steffanx> Just curious? Why bother with a GNU release when you are on windows R0b0t1`?
2017-08-11T19:22:18 < Steffanx> That combination does not add up
2017-08-11T19:22:24 < karlp> clearlyt they like complication in their lives :)
2017-08-11T19:22:29 < karlp> and7or trolling
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2017-08-11T19:27:07 < Steffanx> i guess karlp
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2017-08-11T19:29:43 < R0b0t1`> Steffanx: I do not tend to use Windows by choice, but when I do I support free software to the greatest extent possible.
2017-08-11T19:30:22 < karlp> so... you think you're "supporting" free software by compiling your own gcc instead of using one provided and configured?
2017-08-11T19:30:34 < R0b0t1`> As for why I do that: I realize that there are many users that are more or less stuck with Windows. A great many of those users seem to be non-English language speakers. Making free software work on Windows requires a rather deep understanding of the platform.
2017-08-11T19:30:40 < R0b0t1`> No, that comes next karlp
2017-08-11T19:31:05 < R0b0t1`> For security's sake I like to compile most of the software I get myself and check signatures on the releases
2017-08-11T19:31:20 < karlp> alright, have fun.
2017-08-11T19:31:20 < R0b0t1`> Also I am typically used to new features
2017-08-11T19:31:37 < R0b0t1`> Yes, I don't mean to ask about the process of actually compiling GCC
2017-08-11T19:31:49 < R0b0t1`> I tried to find out if there were any non-ARM binary distributions
2017-08-11T19:32:01 < R0b0t1`> Apparently there are not
2017-08-11T19:32:16 < karlp> I'm sure there's some binaries packaged inside various vendor tools like CodeComposer and atollic and so on,
2017-08-11T19:32:20 < englishman> PaulFertser: on the topic of electric cars, id really like to take a niva and toss the motor and electrify it, i think itd be a good mix of light weight needed for current electric tech and rugged versatility
2017-08-11T19:32:26 < karlp> whether the tools vendors compiled them themselves or not is a different matter
2017-08-11T19:32:41 < Steffanx> is it really from arm? I mean it used to be on https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2017-08-11T19:32:49 < englishman> it is from arm now iirc
2017-08-11T19:32:58 < englishman> at least it got moved out of launchpad / something changed. not certain
2017-08-11T19:33:11 < Steffanx> Yes, im not sure who maintains stuff
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2017-08-11T19:33:18 < karlp> I mean, gcc doesn't even provide binaries for x86. why would you be expecting somethign for arm-none?
2017-08-11T19:33:28 < Steffanx> oh ARM employees already maintained it
2017-08-11T19:34:07 < Steffanx> "Pre-built GNU toolchain for ARM Cortex-M and Cortex-R processors " why that isn't GNU enough? :D
2017-08-11T19:34:31 < karlp> because they like wasting time.
2017-08-11T19:34:44 < karlp> you're actively harming the environment burning power recompiling it...
2017-08-11T19:34:56 < zyp> haha
2017-08-11T19:35:14 < R0b0t1`> Steffanx: That's why I like to compile my own software, there's a lot of cases where trying to ask "who maintains this?" ends with a bunch of questions
2017-08-11T19:35:31 < Steffanx> but its on the page, i just didnt read it.
2017-08-11T19:35:41 < Steffanx> i asked, then read the page :P
2017-08-11T19:35:52 < Steffanx> aka, the wrong order
2017-08-11T19:36:29 < zyp> I'm not sure I understand this discussion
2017-08-11T19:36:51 < karlp> robot wanted a gnu blessed binary
2017-08-11T19:37:06 < karlp> doesn't trust arm
2017-08-11T19:37:17 < zyp> wat
2017-08-11T19:37:22 < karlp> somehow wnats a precompiled binary for arm, but not from arm
2017-08-11T19:37:32 < karlp> maybe they should ask intel for it?
2017-08-11T19:37:34 < Thorn> good thing it's fap & sleep time for dongs
2017-08-11T19:37:40 < zyp> the arm maintained releases are just builds of mainline gcc
2017-08-11T19:37:40  * karlp grins
2017-08-11T19:37:55 < Steffanx> hah, i didnt want to mention it Thorn :D
2017-08-11T19:38:16 < zyp> I mean, they're even advertising it as «no custom patches, all improvements are submitted upstream»
2017-08-11T19:39:03 < Steffanx> i dont anyone really understand the point of the discussion zyp
2017-08-11T19:39:46 < Steffanx> i dont think*
2017-08-11T19:39:59 < Steffanx> or whatever
2017-08-11T19:40:00 < zyp> good, then it's just not me
2017-08-11T19:43:49 < Steffanx> First i was like: .. damn is everything written by hand: http://www.jae.com/z-en/pdf_download_exec.cfm?param=SJ016062-E.pdf
2017-08-11T19:43:51 < Steffanx> then i read the date.
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2017-08-11T19:45:00 < englishman> i dont want to use stm32 because i dont know the guy who maintains it
2017-08-11T19:45:11 < Steffanx> Really jappy quality i guess
2017-08-11T19:45:38 < Steffanx> i wouldnt use stm32 too either englishman. it doesnt run keil
2017-08-11T19:45:55 < Thorn> he does https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aNGO8Ndf9q4/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-08-11T19:46:15 < englishman> was dong really autisming all night over tsc
2017-08-11T19:46:21 < englishman> that was like the easiest periph ever to use
2017-08-11T19:46:24 < englishman> easier than uart
2017-08-11T19:47:32 < englishman> sometimes he's a fucking wizard then he spends time on trivial stuff like this
2017-08-11T19:47:34 < englishman> its confounding
2017-08-11T19:47:38 < Steffanx> D:
2017-08-11T19:47:45 < Steffanx> there was no one online to help him englishman.
2017-08-11T19:47:51 < Steffanx> WHERE WERE YOU
2017-08-11T19:48:02 < englishman> sleeping, finally
2017-08-11T19:48:24 < englishman> been working til like 3 and getting back into office at 8
2017-08-11T19:48:34 < englishman> so slept in a bit today
2017-08-11T19:48:47 < englishman> to the detriment of the dong
2017-08-11T19:50:17 < englishman> (i doubt he would take my advice anyway)
2017-08-11T19:50:47 < Steffanx> He would.
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2017-08-11T19:51:40 < R0b0t1`> karlp, that I want to compile GCC or find another distribution channel doesn't mean I haven't already downloaded the normal release
2017-08-11T19:52:30 < R0b0t1`> englishman: I legitimately think that but at the same time there are no processors for which that is the case
2017-08-11T19:52:41 < Steffanx> there is this open sores core.
2017-08-11T19:52:43 < Steffanx> cpu
2017-08-11T19:52:43 < R0b0t1`> Er, where it is the case that I can peruse the design and implementation details
2017-08-11T19:52:47 < Steffanx> risc v or something?
2017-08-11T19:52:51 < englishman> there's that open sores risc
2017-08-11T19:52:52 < englishman> yes ^
2017-08-11T19:53:19 < R0b0t1`> But they are usually implemented on FPGAs, and the synthesis software is proprietary as well as the chip's interconnect fabric
2017-08-11T19:54:23 < karlp> you need to go away and read some more then.
2017-08-11T19:54:44 < karlp> or give up on your wild unicorn horns
2017-08-11T19:55:38 < R0b0t1`> Via level exploits in the silicon implementation of processors are possible
2017-08-11T19:56:03 < R0b0t1`> My level of proof for trust in a system currently means I can't find a system I would consider trustworthy, but that doesn't mean my opinions aren't well founded
2017-08-11T19:56:40 < R0b0t1`> Forget verifiability, boys, we run on *magic*
2017-08-11T19:57:12 < Steffanx> but i dont get how you run windows
2017-08-11T19:57:15 < Steffanx> WINDOWS
2017-08-11T19:57:35 < englishman> maybe he's the maintainer of windows
2017-08-11T19:58:29 < R0b0t1`> Steffanx: My employer runs Windows
2017-08-11T19:59:09 < R0b0t1`> I've requisitioned computers for my use that run Linux, but they seem to be kind of hesitant about things if I can't eventually produce a Windows equivalent
2017-08-11T19:59:18 < zyp> Steffanx, haha, nice datasheet
2017-08-11T19:59:46 < R0b0t1`> It means I'm disposable, but I am okay with that. I wake up each day and tell myself I will work harder than the last and produce value for my company so that I might justify my continued employment.
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2017-08-11T20:01:16 < R0b0t1`> I pray that some day I will be able to use open hardware, but the free market seems to have decided that open hardware is not profitable. Perhaps I will get to use free hardware in Heaven if I am good enough to be with the Lord.
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2017-08-11T20:03:52 < Steffanx> Terry A. Davis is that you?
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2017-08-11T20:05:53 < englishman> dont be mean steffy
2017-08-11T20:07:56 < Steffanx> Im not mean.
2017-08-11T20:08:01 < Steffanx> Im hardly ever a mean person
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2017-08-11T20:27:20 < PaulFertser> englishman: yeah, quite possibly so, it's unexpectedly sturdy for a cross-over.
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2017-08-11T20:29:12 < karlp> a crossover?
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2017-08-11T20:36:20 < PaulFertser> karlp: kind of a car which resembles SUV but is built with a regular road car components and design decisions.
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2017-08-11T20:37:04 < PaulFertser> karlp: most famous-back-then SUV names are misleadingly used for modern-era crossovers these days.
2017-08-11T20:37:40 < PaulFertser> karlp: e.g. Jeep Cherokee etc
2017-08-11T20:38:26 < PaulFertser> Some shit like that, I'm not into cars much.
2017-08-11T20:39:14 < karlp> ok, nvm, you were replying to something a long way back,
2017-08-11T20:39:22 < karlp> I thought you were talking about the tsc peripheral with englishman :)
2017-08-11T20:39:46 < PaulFertser> karlp: heh, no, talking about his idea to convert lada niva to electric drive.
2017-08-11T20:39:54 < englishman> never really considered lada niva a crossover, but i guess it is in the 90s sense
2017-08-11T20:40:09 < englishman> but the whole category makes no sense anymore
2017-08-11T20:40:25 < englishman> as crossovers are huuuuuge
2017-08-11T20:41:00 < PaulFertser> englishman: it's probably first in the world crossover actually. Built in the 70s.
2017-08-11T20:42:06 < englishman> like golf
2017-08-11T20:42:13 < englishman> but, superior russian version
2017-08-11T20:43:21 < PaulFertser> Was golf"In 1985, the first Golfs with four-wheel-drive (Golf Syncro) went on sale" so later than Niva
2017-08-11T20:43:45 < englishman> rabbit is 74 tho, known as golf outside north america
2017-08-11T20:44:02 < englishman> change the motor mount, add some leg room, you have the golf
2017-08-11T20:44:36 < englishman> and yeah, they made golf country / syncro which was tall and offroady but also total shit
2017-08-11T20:44:56 < englishman> cost 5x lada niva and broke easily thanks to inferior western technology
2017-08-11T20:46:22 < PaulFertser> Modern day niva is absolute shit by today's standards though, it didn't change really through all the years. Shame on lada.
2017-08-11T20:47:36 < Thorn> http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/elegance-of-deflate/
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2017-08-11T21:52:26 < jadew`> turns out that if you quit drinking pepsi/coke for a couple of months and then you have a sip, it tastes like code
2017-08-11T21:53:35 < zyp> how does code taste?
2017-08-11T21:53:49 < jadew`> like pepsi light it seems
2017-08-11T21:54:20 < jadew`> or whichever food drink you've been consuming when programming in the past I would guess
2017-08-11T21:54:25 < jadew`> food/drink
2017-08-11T21:55:25 < jadew`> it's crazy how strong the association is
2017-08-11T21:55:43 < jadew`> and it's not like I haven't been coding and it brought that memory forth, cuz that's what I've been doing the entire day
2017-08-11T21:57:32 < Steffanx> the food/drink i do while coding is as random as the code i write.
2017-08-11T21:58:07 < jadew`> I'm fairly consistent
2017-08-11T21:58:24 < jadew`> I change the foods every once in a while, but I stick with them for weeks or even months
2017-08-11T21:58:28 < Steffanx> Yeah, autism seems to cause that. (joking)
2017-08-11T21:58:35 < jadew`> haha
2017-08-11T22:01:24 < Steffanx> http://blog.recurity-labs.com/2017-08-10/scm-vulns heh.
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2017-08-11T22:06:25 < R0b0t1`> Where are the ST CMSIS files?
2017-08-11T22:06:33 < R0b0t1`> I can find a few pieces mirrored on GitHub, but how do I download them?
2017-08-11T22:07:05 < R0b0t1`> I found the generic CMSIS files from ARM, but predictably those don't seem helpful
2017-08-11T22:07:34 < englishman> if you download stdperiphlib or HAL they will be included there
2017-08-11T22:07:39 < englishman> as they are different for each chip
2017-08-11T22:08:45 < R0b0t1`> From the header file names I assume they are packaged per device family
2017-08-11T22:08:50 < R0b0t1`> e.g. stm32l4xx
2017-08-11T22:09:47 < R0b0t1`> englishman: The name "stdperiphlib" is helpful and leads me here, which is a page I have already found: http://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stm32-standard-peripheral-libraries.html?querycriteria=productId=LN1939
2017-08-11T22:10:01 < R0b0t1`> My part is stm32l432 and I don't see any package that seems to support that device
2017-08-11T22:10:09 < R0b0t1`> Will the package that claims to support stm32l1 support it?
2017-08-11T22:10:26 < zyp> no
2017-08-11T22:10:30 < englishman> L4 could be too new for stdperiphlib, then its HAL only
2017-08-11T22:10:32 < englishman> but unsure
2017-08-11T22:10:35 < zyp> yes
2017-08-11T22:10:42 < zyp> L4 is one of the newest series
2017-08-11T22:12:38 < R0b0t1`> So what is the HAL and how is it packaged? It happens on a level higher than the CMSIS?
2017-08-11T22:12:57 < R0b0t1`> I actually can't find it - is it only packaged with STM32Cube?
2017-08-11T22:13:26 < R0b0t1`> STM32CubeL4*
2017-08-11T22:13:53 < zyp> yes
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2017-08-11T22:13:58 < englishman> yes, just like Standard Peripheral Library sits on top of CMSIS
2017-08-11T22:14:22 < R0b0t1`> zyp: Yes to packaged with the configuration software?
2017-08-11T22:15:34 < zyp> yes
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2017-08-11T22:19:14  * R0b0t1` sighs
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2017-08-11T22:24:39 < R0b0t1`> Well, I did find something zyp but it might be really new
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2017-08-11T22:25:03 < R0b0t1`> Hmm
2017-08-11T22:25:10 < R0b0t1`> No you can pull the things out
2017-08-11T22:25:15 < R0b0t1`> okay nevermind, that's what I originally suspected
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2017-08-11T22:45:56 < Steffanx>  dont forget the license of it R0b0t1`, it was/is restrictive :P
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2017-08-11T22:47:44 < R0b0t1`> I would have to look to find the terms but that you might not be able to reproduce it makes sense
2017-08-11T22:47:50 < R0b0t1`> They want to farm email addresses from developers
2017-08-11T22:48:39 < R0b0t1`> There are people hosting the headers on GitHub
2017-08-11T22:48:43 < R0b0t1`> Unfortunately, not the ones I need
2017-08-11T22:50:16 < R0b0t1`> Actually Steffanx if they license things at the download level the license of the actual header files seems to be as permissive as the GPL
2017-08-11T22:50:22 < R0b0t1`> So
2017-08-11T22:50:38 < R0b0t1`> I'm kind of confused, but mostly I don't think it matters
2017-08-11T22:51:35 < Steffanx> oh i might have confused the license of the headers with the license for many of the linker scripts/startup code.
2017-08-11T22:51:36 < englishman> iirc you are restricted to using it on ST hardware only. it is therefore nonfree
2017-08-11T22:51:48 < Steffanx> and that is what i rmemeber too
2017-08-11T22:53:42 < R0b0t1`> Hmm, I was never made aware of those terms
2017-08-11T22:54:06 < R0b0t1`> I suppose it most likely will never matter. I doubt any company will copy their peripherals.
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2017-08-11T22:54:49 < Steffanx> dont say that out loud R0b0t1`
2017-08-11T22:55:18 < zyp> *cough* gd32
2017-08-11T22:55:23 < Steffanx> indeed
2017-08-11T22:55:48 < R0b0t1`> And it seems you aren't kidding
2017-08-11T22:55:52 < Steffanx> :D
2017-08-11T22:56:02 < zyp> I'm never kidding
2017-08-11T22:56:42 < Steffanx> Want me to disprove that?
2017-08-11T22:56:58 < zyp> yes
2017-08-11T22:58:15 < R0b0t1`> Surely they provide their own processor support
2017-08-11T22:58:28 < R0b0t1`> Though I assume somebody realized it is nearly a clone of the STM32 headers?
2017-08-11T23:01:26 < Steffanx> 2016-12-29T10:21:41 < zyp> haha, I'm just kidding
2017-08-11T23:01:28 < Steffanx> :P
2017-08-11T23:03:15 < R0b0t1`> Is there a high level document describing everything in the STM32Cube packages? Otherwise I have some questions about what I need to actually build a project. As far as I can tell I only need what is in Drivers\CMSIS\Device\ST\STM32L4xx\Include. Do I need anything in the Source directory, e.g. to allow libc to perform initialization?
2017-08-11T23:03:33 < Steffanx> all you need is what cube generates :D
2017-08-11T23:04:04 < R0b0t1`> Oh and I found the HAL directory
2017-08-11T23:05:09 < zyp> I stand corrected
2017-08-11T23:07:20 < Steffanx> i even had to clone jpa-logs for this
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2017-08-11T23:10:57 < R0b0t1`> Steffanx: But what does it generate?
2017-08-11T23:11:38 < Steffanx> the make file stuff if you want it to
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2017-08-11T23:11:48 < Steffanx> or a keil project, or a as6 project
2017-08-11T23:11:49 < Steffanx> or a..
2017-08-11T23:12:50 < R0b0t1`> I may have not downloaded the tool
2017-08-11T23:13:34 < R0b0t1`> It looks like it is actually separate
2017-08-11T23:13:40 < R0b0t1`> This is still a better time of things than I had with NXP
2017-08-11T23:13:56 < Steffanx> i never actually tried that feature, only like the pin planner thingy.
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2017-08-11T23:14:50 < R0b0t1`> Steffanx: So then, what do you actually copy into your project directory
2017-08-11T23:14:52 < R0b0t1`> If anything
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2017-08-11T23:20:34 < Steffanx> oh i hardly used it, and when i did it was AS6 i think. beause i dont hate eclipse and are lazy
2017-08-11T23:26:05 < R0b0t1`> This is a lot of stuff
2017-08-11T23:26:08 < R0b0t1`> For a default project
2017-08-11T23:26:15 < R0b0t1`> Granted I added USB support but wow
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2017-08-11T23:28:52 < Laurenceb_>  /join ##wildpinkeln
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2017-08-11T23:33:38 < englishman> welcome to crappy french bloatware: HAL
2017-08-11T23:38:44 < Laurenceb_> www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40865981
2017-08-11T23:38:53 < Laurenceb_> Scottish amateur anthropologist, Lt Col Gayre of Gayre and Nigg
2017-08-11T23:39:02 < Laurenceb_>  nice one /pol/
2017-08-11T23:39:11 < englishman> hi laurent
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2017-08-11T23:40:07 < englishman> congratulations aadamson
2017-08-11T23:40:09 < englishman> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=All&mc=19.26793,264.9888&q=hirfw-6
2017-08-11T23:40:10 < Laurenceb_> these chan trolls are getting more sophisticated
2017-08-11T23:40:12 < englishman> 325 fucking days
2017-08-11T23:40:18 < englishman> blowing google out of the water
2017-08-11T23:40:25 < Laurenceb_> yeah not a year yet tho :-/
2017-08-11T23:40:29 < englishman> soon enough
2017-08-11T23:40:32 < Laurenceb_> but google btfo
2017-08-11T23:40:37 < Laurenceb_> not bad for "amateur"
2017-08-11T23:42:11 < Laurenceb_> His book, The Lost Clan - which bears little trace of the disturbing racial views he became notorious for
2017-08-11T23:42:13 < Laurenceb_> W E W
2017-08-11T23:42:32 < Laurenceb_> how the fuck did they pull this troll off
2017-08-11T23:42:36 < Steffanx> Time to go back to DIY, you are more useful then.
2017-08-11T23:42:42 < Steffanx> @ mr Laurenceb_
2017-08-11T23:43:01 < Steffanx> Hows the house mr Laurenceb_?
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2017-08-11T23:43:14 < Laurenceb_> coming along
2017-08-11T23:43:18 < Steffanx> Can we do a house warming party soon?
2017-08-11T23:43:26 < Laurenceb_> I wish I had 4chan tier trolling skills
2017-08-11T23:43:29 < Laurenceb_> maybes..
2017-08-11T23:44:04 < Laurenceb_> BBC must be seriously slow to let this one through
2017-08-11T23:44:05 < Thorn> so stm8 have no USB or CAN?
2017-08-11T23:44:14 < Steffanx> it has CAN
2017-08-11T23:44:16 < Laurenceb_> whats next? Col Rick Astley?
2017-08-11T23:45:44 < Laurenceb_> I see HIRFW-6 going future sound of london
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2017-08-11T23:46:49 < Steffanx> im sure there is one or more with at least CAN, not sure about USB Thorn
2017-08-11T23:47:41 < Thorn> google only comes up with make:r level software usb
2017-08-11T23:48:27 < Steffanx> STM8S207C6   for example has CAN.
2017-08-11T23:48:49 < Steffanx> the product table thingy is fucked up.
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2017-08-12T00:04:22 < R0b0t1`> Does anyone know any Cortex-A parts that are easy to integrate? I vaguely remember Cortex-A parts that came with package on package RAM and other feature that made them easier to use
2017-08-12T00:04:24 < R0b0t1`> But I can't find them again
2017-08-12T00:04:47 < R0b0t1`> features*
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2017-08-12T00:12:57 < aadamson> thanks englishman :)
2017-08-12T00:17:16 < karlp> R0b0t1`: sama5a?
2017-08-12T00:17:31 < karlp> not really sure that PoP counts as "easier" honestly, but ok, if you say so :)
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2017-08-12T00:43:26 < R0b0t1`> karlp: No need to route RAM
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2017-08-12T01:21:21 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-STM8S103F3P6-system-board-STM8S-STM8-development-board-minimum-core-board/32647902936.html
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2017-08-12T01:53:29 < englishman> Thorn: overpriced imo
2017-08-12T01:53:42 < englishman> oh 103
2017-08-12T01:53:44 < englishman> nice
2017-08-12T01:53:47 < englishman> good chip
2017-08-12T01:53:56 < englishman> fair price
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2017-08-12T02:37:45 < Laurenceb_> Kim Jong Un is literally the last man who isn't a pussy left on earth. The last man who has felt complete unlimited, merciless power coursing through his veins. Who's felt in his most casual comments the power of command.
2017-08-12T02:38:08 < Laurenceb_> That is why they want to get him. Kim Jong Un is alpha. Not some fucking PUA faggot Elliot Rodgers
2017-08-12T02:38:31 < Laurenceb_>  Not fucking pussyarse drumpf. Not the teeming hordes of eunuchs who populate the west.
2017-08-12T02:38:54 < Laurenceb_>  He alone knows what it is to be a man.
2017-08-12T02:38:57 < Thorn> http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/kim-jong-un-dad-get-up-we-in-deep-shit-north-korea.jpg
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2017-08-12T03:10:51 < dongs> stoned
2017-08-12T03:15:11 < Ultrasauce> drugs are bad
2017-08-12T03:15:28 < dongs> whats innovating, ultradong
2017-08-12T03:15:45 < Ultrasauce> the usual
2017-08-12T03:15:51 < Ultrasauce> less than should be
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2017-08-12T05:12:59 < dongs> http://ksk21.shop-pro.jp/?pid=24290897
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2017-08-12T05:32:19 < R0b0t1_> Are most STM32 parts ARMv7a? Specifically the STM32L432KC, but I don't think architecture varies that finely
2017-08-12T05:32:27 < R0b0t1_> I can't verify which instruction set it uses
2017-08-12T05:33:58 < R0b0t1_> Ah okay, found it on Wikipedia: ARMv7E-M
2017-08-12T05:41:09 < englishman> wtf is that
2017-08-12T05:41:13 < englishman> like an ATA hard drive splitter
2017-08-12T05:41:15 < englishman> with relays
2017-08-12T05:41:55 < englishman> i bet you can find one of those at akihabara
2017-08-12T05:44:20 < dongs> haha
2017-08-12T05:44:29 < dongs> A:B switch for ATA
2017-08-12T05:44:37 < dongs> thats hilarious
2017-08-12T05:44:53 < dongs> swap your ancient hdds with a click of a button!!
2017-08-12T05:46:49 < dongs> can fucking STM32 get powered up by USART1/2 if they're pulled up before VCC is applied to BOOT0/VCC???
2017-08-12T05:49:19 < emeb_mac> sure
2017-08-12T05:49:34 < emeb_mac> forward biases the ESD diodes in the pad driver
2017-08-12T05:49:48 < emeb_mac> flows right to the VDD rail
2017-08-12T05:49:49 < englishman> yeah man
2017-08-12T05:49:52 < englishman> that is outside of ST spec
2017-08-12T05:50:07 < englishman> max pin voltage is relative to VCC
2017-08-12T05:50:22 < englishman> behaviour outside limits is undefined
2017-08-12T05:50:26 < englishman> including zombie chips
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2017-08-12T06:24:38 < ohsix> farts
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2017-08-12T06:29:47 < ohsix> i don't like how product development shit takes an age
2017-08-12T06:30:16 < ohsix> i knew most/all of what i needed to do from the beginning but there's no money to just do it, gotta have meetings and shit with designers and other crap
2017-08-12T06:31:06 < ohsix> was up until 5 last night putting a demo thing together, i thoguht they'd be taking it to some of their customers/market segment research people
2017-08-12T06:31:11 < ohsix> did way too much work & underbilled
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2017-08-12T06:33:53 < ohsix> ipad pro dudes forgot about invoice & when i reminded, boss hand delivered it, olol
2017-08-12T06:34:14 < dongs> i wish i had a $1 for each fucking time these fucking dells made me lose my work
2017-08-12T06:34:21 < dongs> fucking garbage
2017-08-12T06:34:28 < ohsix> glens > dells
2017-08-12T06:34:45 < dongs> im surprised tehres isnt a fucking class action suit about this trash consideing how sue-happy americans are
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2017-08-12T06:36:17 < ohsix> where my wilderness friends at
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2017-08-12T06:39:00 < ohsix> got a portion of someones grant money coming my way next week when i build a thing
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2017-08-12T06:41:13 < englishman> what happen
2017-08-12T06:41:19 < englishman> i owned a dell laptop once
2017-08-12T06:41:43 < englishman> the barrel jack power supply was some "smart" bullshit, broke 2 days past warranty and was like $300 to replace
2017-08-12T06:43:58 < ohsix> did you take it apart & see if it was just some bullshit
2017-08-12T06:44:40 < ohsix> i've repaired a bunch of that kind of junk in the last year and it's a lot of reflowing, not even new parts; worst thing is busting the ultrasonic weld & taping it after D:
2017-08-12T06:47:13 < ohsix> almost feel bad calling shit repair
2017-08-12T06:48:23 < ohsix> people are amazed tho, can't be a bastard about it hehe
2017-08-12T06:48:56 < dongs> no its the 3 UP2414Q
2017-08-12T06:49:00 < englishman> oh6 rossman
2017-08-12T06:49:03 < dongs> when go to suspend, they dont wake up
2017-08-12T06:49:09 < ohsix> y
2017-08-12T06:49:18 < englishman> how does that cause lost work?
2017-08-12T06:49:19 < dongs> autisman
2017-08-12T06:49:25 < dongs> because when you powercycle them, they dont wake up
2017-08-12T06:49:31 < dongs> and crash nv driver
2017-08-12T06:49:35 < ohsix> don't have the patter to sustain a youtube channel on that stuff
2017-08-12T06:49:35 < englishman> heh
2017-08-12T06:49:52 < englishman> dono man your stuff crashes a lot
2017-08-12T06:49:57 < dongs> nope
2017-08-12T06:49:58 < englishman> draggin chrome browser etc
2017-08-12T06:50:13 < englishman> no problems here with 7 monitors across 2 nvidia cards
2017-08-12T06:50:24 < dongs> yeah, this is all easily repeatable shit too
2017-08-12T06:50:30 < englishman> maybe dells are to blame
2017-08-12T06:50:37 < ohsix> i thought windows was great
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2017-08-12T06:52:27 < ohsix> what do people do while camping
2017-08-12T06:52:39 < ohsix> like besides hiking and stuff would reading a book be rude
2017-08-12T06:52:57 < englishman> mushrooms
2017-08-12T06:52:59 < ohsix> i'm not great with downtime
2017-08-12T06:53:04 < ohsix> that's not a bad idea
2017-08-12T06:53:23 < ohsix> hehe
2017-08-12T06:54:11 < ohsix> know how to make a few traps and snares but if you're not eating it it's just being a dick
2017-08-12T06:54:18 < ohsix> +the result
2017-08-12T06:54:27 < ohsix> how about lasers
2017-08-12T06:55:23 < ohsix> i've got lasers that would be pretty nuts in the middle of nowhere, could probably point them at anything i want with impugnity
2017-08-12T06:58:24 < jadew`> ohsix, what do you do with lasers?
2017-08-12T06:58:37 < ohsix> mainly pointing
2017-08-12T06:58:42 < jadew`> ah
2017-08-12T06:58:45 < ohsix> huhu
2017-08-12T06:58:55 < jadew`> I'm afraid of pointing lasers
2017-08-12T06:59:02 < ohsix> was only talking about the ones i have, but a dude i know is industry oldschool & could get soem fun stuff
2017-08-12T06:59:24 < ohsix> hiking at night is going to be a bit like caving i think
2017-08-12T06:59:52 < jadew`> industrial lasers are a different thing, because you know what's their power output
2017-08-12T06:59:59 < jadew`> but pointing stuff is china
2017-08-12T07:00:28 < ohsix> yea
2017-08-12T07:00:37 < jadew`> and unless you know how bright a beam cannot be, I don't think they're trust worthy
2017-08-12T07:01:04 < ohsix> which is it's own weird and odd thing, way back when i got a green laser for like 10$ everything was real uneven, like they were scabbing diodes seconds into tubes or something
2017-08-12T07:01:27 < ohsix> but the ones i bought that were 2$ much later were higher power/more consistent
2017-08-12T07:01:53 < ohsix> like maybe they have the production capacity in china or the price is now low enough / the utility on the low end isn't there aynmore
2017-08-12T07:02:07 < ohsix> and 'all' or most of the diodes are high-power, depending on the driver/casing
2017-08-12T07:03:16 < jadew`> yeah, that's what I fear, that they overdrive them on purpose so they're brighter
2017-08-12T07:03:34 < ohsix> i haven't ruined one yet or anything
2017-08-12T07:03:41 < ohsix> the AAA batteries don't keep up for long
2017-08-12T07:03:52 < jadew`> well, I'm not worried about the laser
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2017-08-12T07:04:37 < ohsix> o
2017-08-12T07:04:42 < ohsix> i see
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2017-08-12T07:05:55 < ohsix> those red pcb modules are pretty bright too
2017-08-12T07:06:07 < ohsix> they're literally just a tiny die on fr4 put into a brass hosuing with a slot in it
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2017-08-12T07:07:23 < jadew`> yeah, I have a couple around here
2017-08-12T07:08:42 < ohsix> maybe the same sort of shift has happened with early LEDs in chip lasers, in like the last 10 years
2017-08-12T07:09:09 < ohsix> cree, unrelated to lasers has done a lot for led process stuff in that same timeframe
2017-08-12T07:12:35 < dongs> amp6 cant afford lasers
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2017-08-12T08:47:05 < R0b0t1_> Where is the USB peripheral documented?
2017-08-12T08:47:12 < R0b0t1_> The HAL code?
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2017-08-12T09:06:42 < ohsix> vcp?
2017-08-12T09:07:27 < ohsix> depends on which one, i guess
2017-08-12T09:09:17 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/cf/38/e5/b5/dd/1d/4c/09/DM00108129.pdf/files/DM00108129.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00108129.pdf
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2017-08-12T09:20:57 < R0b0t1_> I found something like that ohsix, but that seems to be a documentation of the high level library
2017-08-12T09:21:02 < R0b0t1_> Oddly enough all manufacturers seem to do this
2017-08-12T09:21:13 < R0b0t1_> So if I want to do something like have multiple endpoitns per device I am on my own
2017-08-12T09:21:27 < R0b0t1_> On a better note, I got the sample nucleo project built
2017-08-12T09:38:04 < R0b0t1_> Well the debugger works, on Windows in a VM
2017-08-12T09:39:22 < R0b0t1_> It is rather irritating the easiest way to do everything is through their tools
2017-08-12T09:39:41 < Ultrasauce> fuck i hate it when stuff is easy
2017-08-12T09:44:04 < R0b0t1_> I don't think it's objectively easy
2017-08-12T09:44:09 < R0b0t1_> It's just easiest a certain way
2017-08-12T09:44:24 < R0b0t1_> And that way is a lot harder than if they had just handed me a bundle of files
2017-08-12T09:45:08 < R0b0t1_> Well I can't use OpenOCD to program the chip yet, that might have to wait until tomorrow
2017-08-12T09:46:58 < PaulFertser> What's the problem with OpenOCD?
2017-08-12T09:47:23 < R0b0t1_> flash write_image factory.bin 0x08000000
2017-08-12T09:47:41 < R0b0t1_> starts, says the device aborts with error code 00000a00
2017-08-12T09:47:49 < R0b0t1_> er, something0a0
2017-08-12T09:47:56 < R0b0t1_> I may have the memory offset wrong
2017-08-12T09:48:11 < R0b0t1_> I'm not sure how I figure it out for my device because it's not in the makefile anywhere
2017-08-12T09:49:14 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1_: just do not use bin files, use ELFs or HEX and omit the offset.
2017-08-12T09:49:32 < R0b0t1_> Hmm, that probably is a better idea
2017-08-12T09:50:59 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1_: I also suggest using "program" instead of "write_image", so just -c "program your.elf verify reset exit" should work if your chip is supported.
2017-08-12T09:53:20 < R0b0t1_> Yeah that did the trick
2017-08-12T09:53:25 < R0b0t1_> Using .elf, I mean
2017-08-12T09:53:33 < R0b0t1_> I'll do that command in the future
2017-08-12T09:54:27 < R0b0t1_> And I was able to flash the demo firmware back, hooray
2017-08-12T09:54:36 < R0b0t1_> Okay PaulFertser that leaves me at a nice stopping point
2017-08-12T09:54:56 < R0b0t1_> You'll go in my journal entry for today as the nice person on the internet who helped me.
2017-08-12T09:58:29 < Steffanx> Can we edit your journal too? Open source spirit you know.
2017-08-12T09:58:34 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-08-12T10:03:06 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1_: welcome :)
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2017-08-12T10:05:58 < Steffanx> I is true russia wants to do some internet white list somehwere in 2020 PaulFertser ?
2017-08-12T10:18:58 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the majority of russian people are stupid enough to not give a damn.
2017-08-12T10:19:08 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: so whitelist or not wouldn't be their decision.
2017-08-12T10:20:07 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'd consider the whitelist scenario to be unlikely though, too much hassle for no big gain.
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2017-08-12T10:28:28 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: oh, so no concrete plan yet.
2017-08-12T10:29:38 < R0b0t1_> ohsix: I think this is what I was after - http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/63/a8/8f/e3/ca/a1/4c/84/DM00173145.pdf/files/DM00173145.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00173145.pdf
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2017-08-12T11:26:18 < upgrdman> anyone know of a nice intro to bash scripting? like a cheat sheet for all the common things.
2017-08-12T11:31:02 < zyp> uh
2017-08-12T11:31:23 < zyp> my best trick for bash scripting: switch to something else as soon as you approach some degree of complexity
2017-08-12T11:32:43 < upgrdman> ya i just want to automate the process of setting up an apache/vpn/syncthing server. very simple procedural shit.
2017-08-12T11:33:33 < upgrdman> basically copy n paste these commands one after another, and prematurely stop if one of them shits the bed.
2017-08-12T11:42:17 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: just use && between them?
2017-08-12T11:42:43 < upgrdman> lol i guess thatd be an easy way to do it
2017-08-12T11:43:18 < PaulFertser> I think http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ has a good enough introduction
2017-08-12T11:44:46 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: or just add "set +e" at the beginning
2017-08-12T11:45:23 < upgrdman> k thx
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2017-08-12T12:12:12 < PeterM> stvn https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1502507625080.webm
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2017-08-12T12:34:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: i have a book my friend wrote
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2017-08-12T12:50:34 < ohsix> i've made more this year painting a shed than fixing ipads; glad i don't pay the overhead of the lab heheheheh
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2017-08-12T13:09:23 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pic-Car-styling-Car-Light-Bulbs-T10-194-168-SMD-W5W-Wedge-Side-Lamp-12V-DC/32822340721.html wtf
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2017-08-12T13:15:34 < ohsix> putting retarded lights on my car
2017-08-12T13:17:22 < ohsix> some needed it, so i'm doing all accessory lights in led
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2017-08-12T13:20:04 < ohsix> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1kJHrMpXXXXbBXVXXq6xXFXXXq/Monster-Style-35W-HID-Slim-Xenon-Ballast-Replacement-For-Xenon-Headlight-Bulb-12v-H1-H3-H4.jpg seems legit
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2017-08-12T15:28:22 < Laurenceb_> woah somethingaweful drama intensifies
2017-08-12T15:28:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40909469
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2017-08-12T15:49:26 < Laurenceb_> hullo gents, I've heard reports of hateful and discriminatory language on this site. Just a reminder that this sort of anti-social behaviour is totally unacceptable and will be dealt with.
2017-08-12T15:53:29 < Laurenceb_> http://www.prestwichandwhitefieldguide.co.uk/news/15465060.WANTEDMen_who_look_really_miserableto_appear_in_film_with_Maxine_Peake/
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2017-08-12T16:31:10 < invzim> dongs: how did you use the ATSHA204A (high level)
2017-08-12T16:41:23 < dongs> waht do you mean? you can use it to ex. store firmware crypto keys and shit
2017-08-12T16:46:29 < invzim> I just want something simple - but no free lunch I guess
2017-08-12T17:06:38 < dongs> yes what do you want to do lol
2017-08-12T17:39:23 < dongs> i know what i want to do:
2017-08-12T17:39:23 < dongs>  sleep
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2017-08-12T18:26:36 < munki_> dongs: too early its only 0026
2017-08-12T18:36:58 < Steffanx> now you sound like me munki_, dont do that
2017-08-12T18:37:29 < jpa-> it's ok to sound like Steffanx, we could use a few more
2017-08-12T18:38:17 < Steffanx> jpa- is such sweet kid.
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2017-08-12T18:51:41 < englishman> steffy treats us well
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2017-08-12T19:07:18 < Laurenceb_> not me tho
2017-08-12T19:07:33 < Laurenceb_> lul@ somethingaweful dramaz
2017-08-12T19:07:51 < Laurenceb_> their commenter in chief is prob a serial killer
2017-08-12T19:23:16 < englishman> is submarine guy a goon?
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2017-08-12T19:56:41 < Laurenceb_> unite the right looks kind of like I expect
2017-08-12T19:56:45 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/tgOocaN
2017-08-12T19:59:14 < Laurenceb_> inb4 BLM is 100% white
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2017-08-12T20:07:58 < Laurenceb_> >guy with a kekistan hat stuck arrives in a people carrier
2017-08-12T20:08:04 < Laurenceb_> fucking based Trump amirite
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2017-08-12T20:20:15 < Steffanx> I treat you how you should be treated Laurenceb_. You are a physics guy, action-reaction
2017-08-12T20:21:19 < Laurenceb_> Newton
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2017-08-12T21:18:39 < Ultrasauce> conservention of mementum
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2017-08-12T21:30:35 < invzim> so I've done i2c, dma spi, dma sdio - how hard can dmi adc be..? :)
2017-08-12T21:30:42 < invzim> dma
2017-08-12T21:33:40 < scrts> awkward... loaded usb cdc example onto stm32f429 board and when usb is connected - the PC doesn't even see that
2017-08-12T21:33:41 < scrts> :/
2017-08-12T21:34:40 < Thorn> 428 disco needs vbus sensing off iirc or it won't see the usb connection
2017-08-12T21:34:44 < Thorn> *429
2017-08-12T21:35:08 < Thorn> they had to use the vbus pin for something else
2017-08-12T21:36:32 < Thorn> or was it the 746 discovery
2017-08-12T21:38:18 < scrts> ok, recompiling
2017-08-12T21:38:19 < scrts> will srr
2017-08-12T21:38:21 < scrts> see
2017-08-12T21:38:55 < scrts> hm, nope...
2017-08-12T21:38:56 < scrts> awkward
2017-08-12T21:41:29 < Thorn> checked my examples, it's the 746 disco
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2017-08-12T22:02:10 < Ultrasauce> isnt it intended for OTG only?
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2017-08-12T22:06:35 < Ultrasauce> seems to me i had to bridge two pins on one of the ICs onboard in order to have the board be usb powered
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2017-08-12T22:33:49 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EwlEtEaAMk
2017-08-12T22:38:32 < ohsix> how's your day https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737/video/1
2017-08-12T22:38:46 < Laurenceb_> Sam Hyde
2017-08-12T22:38:54 < Laurenceb_> he can't keep getting away with it
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2017-08-12T22:43:26 < Laurenceb_> personally I wonder if Ben Garrison was active behind the scenes
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2017-08-12T22:44:13 < ohsix> a dodge charger
2017-08-12T22:44:21 < ohsix> wonder if they're going to change the name now
2017-08-12T22:44:35 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-08-12T22:45:36 < ohsix> oooooooooh strong evidence twitter is shit
2017-08-12T22:45:46 < ohsix> lots of people on the video post are saying plates were removed
2017-08-12T22:45:48 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/896454237495930882
2017-08-12T22:49:06 < ohsix> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502565832589.jpg what a day, posting pictures from /pol
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2017-08-12T22:49:29 < Laurenceb_>  >not reposting their troll Sam Hyde images
2017-08-12T22:50:46 < ohsix> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502566822818.jpg
2017-08-12T22:50:56 < ohsix> they probablt got these from cbs or something
2017-08-12T22:52:21 < ohsix> k enough of that, don't need twitter or 4chan boston bomber shit for this one
2017-08-12T22:53:28 < Laurenceb_> https://www.imgoat.com/uploads/5bfc9e0796/36995.jpg
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2017-08-12T22:59:34 < Steffanx> no 4/8ch policy.
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2017-08-12T23:37:53 < invzim> screw you arm/st - would it REALLY be that hard to poll the different channels without setting up kinds of crap..
2017-08-12T23:39:02 < Fleck> what? :D
2017-08-12T23:41:29 < invzim> adc, different channels
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2017-08-13T00:23:49 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/3fSFQOw
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2017-08-13T00:23:56 < Laurenceb_> >don't crash it on the first day
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2017-08-13T00:34:31 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/7FBcCbo
2017-08-13T00:34:35 < Laurenceb_> the memes begin
2017-08-13T00:37:58 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/MuQOPEM
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2017-08-13T00:56:11 < Laurenceb_> woah https://twitter.com/MemeAlertNews/status/896481960142528512
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2017-08-13T01:31:04 < scrts> ok, got semihosting and print() working
2017-08-13T01:31:16 < scrts> stuuupid eclipse... can't be more buggy
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2017-08-13T01:54:55 < invzim> either I'm doing something wrong, or the internal temp sensor on stm32f401 is useless
2017-08-13T01:55:11 < invzim> gave it a blast of hot-air while running, +3 degrees
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2017-08-13T02:11:35 < invzim> nah, working - 178 C running before dropping down again :)
2017-08-13T02:30:50 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/BW2VByS.jpg
2017-08-13T02:30:53 < englishman> wat
2017-08-13T02:31:15 < englishman> didn't expect a 4channer to own a car let alone go outside on his own time
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2017-08-13T03:03:53 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/dodge
2017-08-13T03:03:56 < Laurenceb_> Oh MY GOD
2017-08-13T03:04:18 < Laurenceb_> looks like he got quads
2017-08-13T03:04:35 < Laurenceb_> >Dodge Challenger SRT Demons live and in action at #RoadkillNights
2017-08-13T03:04:42 < Laurenceb_> what a time to be alive
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2017-08-13T03:51:53 < Laurenceb_> Reports coming in that 'Oathkeepers' downed the plane with bazookas and long-range weaponry, thinking it was a UN helicopter.
2017-08-13T03:51:58 < Laurenceb_> legit news is legit
2017-08-13T03:58:23 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Vg4Qm23
2017-08-13T03:58:41 < Laurenceb_> the gimp filterz at work
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2017-08-13T04:17:08 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0guSatguSk
2017-08-13T04:17:13 < englishman> wow american phones suck
2017-08-13T04:18:47 < dongs> https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d236176605 damn i have no hope of selling my old 24port switch
2017-08-13T04:18:52 < dongs> some nigga got this shit for 1 yen
2017-08-13T04:19:17 < englishman> haha
2017-08-13T04:19:28 < englishman> time to sell SRW2048 before its also worth 1 yen
2017-08-13T04:19:48 < dongs> your shit? good luck, its probly already worth $1 max
2017-08-13T04:20:24 < englishman> i think i paid 80 shipped and usa->canada was probably 60 to ship so i didnt lose too much
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2017-08-13T04:20:53 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-13T04:20:55 < dongs> i see it on egay
2017-08-13T04:20:59 < dongs> ended listings
2017-08-13T04:21:02 < dongs> for around 60-70
2017-08-13T04:21:05 < englishman> at leasts with mikrodik i wont have to boot IE6 to config vlans
2017-08-13T04:21:06 < englishman> nice
2017-08-13T04:21:09 < englishman> def selling
2017-08-13T04:26:43 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/kUKIGV6.png
2017-08-13T04:49:33 < englishman> alt right warriors protecting charlotteville from lefty terrorism wearing the latest amazon.com fashions https://i.imgur.com/E0nMqS6.jpg
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2017-08-13T11:12:33 < upgrdman> anyone written any chrome extensions? is it possible to execute native programs from an extension? guessing not. so, is it possible to communicate via ssh to an external host from an extension?
2017-08-13T11:12:55 < zyp> I'm guessing yes to both
2017-08-13T11:13:25 < zyp> I installed a chrome extension the other day that accesses usb devices
2017-08-13T11:26:26 < jpa-> there seem to be a few ssh clients available in chrome web store
2017-08-13T11:27:06 < jpa-> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/auto-shutdown/gkmonffckeeffppchajngpdakfppalfo?hl=fi   and things like this that execute native apps
2017-08-13T11:47:35 < upgrdman> jpa-, ya that extension needs a native app installed too. guessing it's funneling commands out via tcp/udp packets to localhost. i might do that but was hoping thered be a cleaner wa
2017-08-13T11:47:36 < upgrdman> way
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2017-08-13T12:20:21 < jpa-> ah
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2017-08-13T13:04:28 < ohsix> sup
2017-08-13T13:04:33 < ohsix> in rv in the middle of nowhere
2017-08-13T13:05:13 < ohsix> this is what that logitech shit does 01:47 < upgrdman> jpa-, ya that extension needs a native app installed too. guessing it's funneling commands out via tcp/udp packets to localhost. i might do that but was hoping thered be a cleaner wa
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2017-08-13T13:22:38 < dongs> dont bother writing chrome extensionsd
2017-08-13T13:22:44 < dongs> they'er all going away june 2018 or someshit
2017-08-13T13:24:15 < dongs> https://blog.chromium.org/2016/08/from-chrome-apps-to-web.html
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2017-08-13T13:31:10 < jpa-> dongs: chrome apps != extensions i think
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2017-08-13T14:09:36 < dongs> doenst matter
2017-08-13T14:09:40 < dongs> i wouldnt invest any time in chrome platform
2017-08-13T14:09:50 < dongs> those faggots will cancel whatever API you're using
2017-08-13T14:09:59 < dongs> because they thought it was a good idea
2017-08-13T14:10:26 < dongs> or how chrome has been HUGE since 2--3 versions ago on highspi displays
2017-08-13T14:10:29 < dongs> and needs a command line to make it work
2017-08-13T14:10:30 < dongs> nobody cares
2017-08-13T14:10:36 < dongs> because apparently "huge" is "by design"
2017-08-13T14:10:55 < dongs> when literally every other app titlebar is normal size, but chrome has to be double
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2017-08-13T14:27:59 < jadew`> old news? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U8ZRUFx33k
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2017-08-13T14:29:41 < Steffanx> yes
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2017-08-13T14:31:44 < dongs> yeah ancient
2017-08-13T14:31:48 < dongs> shitty american cellphoen quality
2017-08-13T14:32:01 < jadew`> different angle in the recommendations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt8dBpsU1X8
2017-08-13T14:32:33 < dongs> fuck yeah
2017-08-13T14:32:36 < dongs> jadew delivers
2017-08-13T14:33:04 < jadew`> I wonder if it could have been an accident and the guy ran because he got attacked by the mob
2017-08-13T14:33:46 < Steffanx> We dont need those videos for a 3rd time jadew` ;)
2017-08-13T14:34:35 < Steffanx> Laurenceb and ohsix went autistic of this already
2017-08-13T14:34:36 < jadew`> ah, ok, should have expected it to be thoroughly covered in here
2017-08-13T14:35:04 < dongs> amp6 wished he was between one of those cars
2017-08-13T14:35:18 < jadew`> haha
2017-08-13T14:35:20 < sync> "find a safe space guise" lel
2017-08-13T14:36:02 < dongs> lol
2017-08-13T14:36:04 < dongs> safesapce
2017-08-13T14:44:21 < sync> good riddance of the charger
2017-08-13T14:46:36 < sync> haha that guy that jumped on the back with the bat got his moneys worth
2017-08-13T14:50:24 < Laurenceb_> EXTREMELY GRAPHIC:
2017-08-13T14:50:25 < jadew`> yeah, I think the car was attacked just before he hit the crowd
2017-08-13T14:50:33 < Laurenceb_> ah happy memories of school
2017-08-13T14:50:35 < jadew`> it's possible he didn't meant it
2017-08-13T14:50:37 < Laurenceb_> ogrish tiem
2017-08-13T14:51:06 < Laurenceb_> when the whole class browses gore on the overhead projector
2017-08-13T14:53:21 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/MuQOPEM
2017-08-13T14:59:38 < Steffanx> The day Laurenceb_ realizes he is unfunny. This day should become a world wide holiday.
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2017-08-13T15:08:07 < dongs> any embedded xml parser that isnt trash
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2017-08-13T15:25:04 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/iRKMVxC8
2017-08-13T15:42:33 < dongs> wat
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2017-08-13T16:25:03 < Laurenceb_> I would write an ED page
2017-08-13T16:25:11 < Laurenceb_> but my previous ED pages were deleted :(
2017-08-13T16:25:26 < dongs> cuz youre not funny
2017-08-13T16:25:33 < Laurenceb_> my page on animal experiments took ages to write
2017-08-13T16:26:04 < Laurenceb_> iirc I wrote one on medical research too
2017-08-13T16:27:37 < Laurenceb_> which reminds me, I wonder what sqrrl101 is doing these days
2017-08-13T16:28:29 < Laurenceb_> holy shit he is on twatter
2017-08-13T16:29:07 < Laurenceb_> wtf he has published papers
2017-08-13T16:29:09 < Laurenceb_> reeee
2017-08-13T16:29:21 < Laurenceb_> that guy is former ED mod
2017-08-13T16:29:58 < invzim> reading vdda and getting 3.28 (rounded), meter says 3.295
2017-08-13T16:30:08 < Laurenceb_> helped me write my pages but they were purged by newer mods
2017-08-13T16:30:10 < invzim> is this about as good as it gets or am I doing something wrong?
2017-08-13T16:32:20 < Laurenceb_> invzim: sounds perfect
2017-08-13T16:32:59 < Laurenceb_> The Government is trying to let ex-soldiers without degrees become teachers! No thank you!
2017-08-13T16:33:04 < Laurenceb_> wtf is wrong with this guy
2017-08-13T16:33:48 < jadew`> teachers of what?
2017-08-13T16:35:03 < jadew`> interesting
2017-08-13T16:35:09 < jadew`> remember that video I posted with the different angle?
2017-08-13T16:35:18 < jadew`> it has been removed
2017-08-13T16:35:40 < jadew`> I can't find any similar video anywhere, with those guys attacking the car
2017-08-13T16:35:51 < jadew`> (not even on liveleak)
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2017-08-13T17:24:52 < invzim> ah, you NEED to figure out vdda to use adc at all..
2017-08-13T17:25:08 < invzim> and to figure out VDDA you need to have the factory calibration value
2017-08-13T17:25:15 < invzim> which cubemx knows nothing about
2017-08-13T17:25:33 < invzim> good thing I followed the rule of breaking things again once you fix them to be sure
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2017-08-13T17:29:45 < dongs> lol cubemx
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2017-08-13T19:51:30 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/40PCS-Wire-Jumper-Cables-10cm-male-to-male-female-Female-to-female-For-Arduino-/162381941557?var=&hash=item25ceb7cb35:m:mJaaBpQnBKc1qDCVSCScsuQ   has anyone seen jumper wires like this but with Y branch?
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2017-08-13T20:50:12 < Steffanx> i was looking for something like that once, never found it either jpa-
2017-08-13T20:50:38 < Steffanx> tried if this wire maker from [dont remember] could do it, but it couldnt do it sadly.
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2017-08-13T22:45:11 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOVNQcHhTcUpMOEk?usp=sharing progress
2017-08-13T22:46:31 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKLUFwSHg4b2U2ZEU/view?usp=sharing progress in one picture
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2017-08-13T22:56:56 < Steffanx> hello Welcome kakimir. what is that last thing?
2017-08-13T22:57:34 < kakimir> part of the thing
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2017-08-13T23:00:55 < Steffanx> Is it a sexy thing?
2017-08-13T23:01:26 < invzim> it's a mechanical personal defense assault system
2017-08-13T23:02:07 < invzim> it will swing it's arm like a lunatic at everyoen within a radius of 1.5m, including the operator
2017-08-13T23:03:56 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSC1EOGY4LU9MeDg/view
2017-08-13T23:04:02 < invzim> here it's in 'ambush mode'
2017-08-13T23:09:29 < kakimir> yes sex robot parts Steffanx
2017-08-13T23:09:48 < kakimir> finally building my dream
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2017-08-13T23:17:47 < Steffanx> lol invzim
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2017-08-14T01:21:57 < Thorn> not sure why but seems relevant https://pp.userapi.com/c840230/v840230078/1ee02/GfoWBRB5py4.jpg
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2017-08-14T03:36:54 < dongs> https://youtu.be/EHtcOrdl9Xw?t=257 quality PCB manufacturing
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2017-08-14T03:38:31 < dongs> upgrdman: do your chinaboards look like this https://youtu.be/EHtcOrdl9Xw?t=257
2017-08-14T03:39:14 < upgrdman> dongs, cn internet is slow now. can you screenshot a jpg of whatever youre referring to
2017-08-14T03:39:42 < dongs> blob:http://imgur.com/b00ed0a9-71aa-4876-909e-0c5dd61fb852
2017-08-14T03:39:43 < dongs> erdgfg
2017-08-14T03:39:44 < dongs> df
2017-08-14T03:39:45 < dongs> NIGGER FUCK
2017-08-14T03:39:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TzfVANx.png
2017-08-14T03:39:59 < upgrdman> lol
2017-08-14T03:40:07 < upgrdman> nice serial number
2017-08-14T03:41:29 < upgrdman> dongs, heh, no our boards look decent
2017-08-14T03:42:45 < upgrdman> silk/drill/copper alignment looks "perfect" to the naked eye.
2017-08-14T03:42:46 < upgrdman> the assembly house we use however. jesus fuck, i think maybe theyre using 12yr old school girls to hand assemble our pcbs sometimes.
2017-08-14T03:42:57 < dongs> no surprise there
2017-08-14T03:43:00 < dongs> i bet that is literally waht they do
2017-08-14T03:43:01 < upgrdman> component on backwards, shit reflow, etc.
2017-08-14T03:43:25 < upgrdman> supposedly the ass house is more experence with through hole and smd confuses the fuck out of them i guess
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2017-08-14T03:44:57 < dongs> im trying to load a pic from a recent china assembly that a customer did
2017-08-14T03:45:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DTkdu4W.jpg
2017-08-14T03:45:48 < dongs> that shit's obviosuly fucking handsoldered
2017-08-14T03:45:54 < upgrdman> in the usa, i've only ever had one problem with the ass house, and it was poor solder reflow on legs of big smd electrolyric caps
2017-08-14T03:46:00 < upgrdman> which i kinda understand
2017-08-14T03:46:17 < dongs> looks fucking gross
2017-08-14T03:46:29 < upgrdman> since they were big and smd, prolly need a rediculous long warm up profile in the oven
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2017-08-14T03:54:05 < upgrdman> god damn fucking china internet
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2017-08-14T03:56:29 < R0b0t1_> Alright so I'm trying to use the STM32 HAL
2017-08-14T03:56:40 < R0b0t1_> I have stm32l4xx_hal.h included in my main source file
2017-08-14T03:56:58 < R0b0t1_> However, it says stm32l4xx_hal_conf.h does not exist
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2017-08-14T03:57:04 < R0b0t1_> It's in my project directory
2017-08-14T03:57:09 < R0b0t1_> Should I post my makefile?
2017-08-14T03:57:14 < dongs> make...what?
2017-08-14T03:57:17 < dongs> use cubemx to generate trash
2017-08-14T03:57:27 < dongs> and make sure it copies all the required files to project folder
2017-08-14T03:57:30 < R0b0t1_> I did and now I'm slowly pruning it
2017-08-14T03:57:49 < R0b0t1_> I have all of the files, the reference project I made compiles fine
2017-08-14T03:58:02 < R0b0t1_> however I basically duplicated it and now it can't find the user-supplied configuration header
2017-08-14T03:58:06 < dongs> hal_conf is in inc\ folder
2017-08-14T03:58:09 < dongs> copied by cube
2017-08-14T03:58:16 < dongs> so you need to add .\inc to include path
2017-08-14T03:58:17 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-08-14T03:58:18 < R0b0t1_> Right I copied it out
2017-08-14T03:58:21 < dongs> why?
2017-08-14T03:58:24 < R0b0t1_> I don't have an include path
2017-08-14T03:58:40 < R0b0t1_> I put them in the top level of my project directory
2017-08-14T03:58:58 < R0b0t1_> I can include files like stm32l432xx.h because I did set the -I flags for GCC properly
2017-08-14T03:59:34 < R0b0t1_> But somehow a file in Drivers/STM32L4xx_HAL_Driver/Inc can't find "stm32l4xx_hal_conf.h" included with quotes
2017-08-14T03:59:43 < R0b0t1_> i.e. it searches the default include space, .
2017-08-14T03:59:47 < R0b0t1_> and it's there
2017-08-14T03:59:50 < R0b0t1_> but it doesn't find it
2017-08-14T04:00:36 < R0b0t1_> dongs: I really do want to access registers directly but I'm still lost on exactly what needs to be set up to accomplish X
2017-08-14T04:00:48 < R0b0t1_> Reading the reference manual doesn't seem to be helping
2017-08-14T04:00:51 < dongs> L4 has no stdperiphlib eh
2017-08-14T04:00:56 < dongs> i gues ur fukd wiht hal
2017-08-14T04:01:01 < R0b0t1_> Yeah
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2017-08-14T04:16:25 < R0b0t1_> dongs, sorry for direct highlight but do you know how to prevent -Wshift-count-overflow from triggering if I do something like RCC->CR |= ((uint32_t)1 << RCC_CR_HSION)?
2017-08-14T04:16:33 < R0b0t1_> that snippet warns me about overflowing the type
2017-08-14T04:19:58 < R0b0t1_> using 1ul as the constant doesn't fix it
2017-08-14T04:20:00  * R0b0t1_ sighs
2017-08-14T04:20:34 < dongs> no idea, i only use a real compiler
2017-08-14T04:20:58 < R0b0t1_> GCC isn't a real compiler?
2017-08-14T04:21:34 < R0b0t1_> Turns out RCC_CR_HSION is already 1 shifted by the bit position
2017-08-14T04:21:47 < R0b0t1_> RCC_CR_HSION_Pos is 8
2017-08-14T04:27:24 < upgrdman> do japs also love to cough up spit balls and spit on the floor?
2017-08-14T04:27:52 < upgrdman> i cant go 15 minutes without hearing someone doing that, lol
2017-08-14T04:28:54 < upgrdman> i hear that HK make that illegal and fine mainlanders for doing it
2017-08-14T04:28:59 < dongs> is that when you close your mouth and do a reverse snort sucking air in
2017-08-14T04:29:04 < dongs> and then gather wahtever comes out
2017-08-14T04:29:05 < dongs> and spit it out
2017-08-14T04:29:55 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-14T04:39:07 < upgrdman> no answer huh, i'll take that as a YES
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2017-08-14T04:39:16 < upgrdman> filthy fucking japs
2017-08-14T04:58:07 < upgrdman> when using youtube-dl from within my Droplet, i get >35MByte/sec... here in cn im sync'ing to it at <1MBit/sec. such pain, very sad.
2017-08-14T05:04:00 < dongs> Lol
2017-08-14T05:04:01 < dongs> rip you
2017-08-14T05:04:58 < upgrdman> heh, and ofr longer vids, it rises past 67MByte/sec
2017-08-14T05:05:07 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-14T05:05:11 < dongs> youtuebdl is pretty nice
2017-08-14T05:05:15 < dongs> it does that multisegment shit
2017-08-14T05:05:21 < upgrdman> yup
2017-08-14T05:05:24 < dongs> if you do -fbestaudio+bestvdeo or whatever
2017-08-14T05:05:30 < dongs> (which is the only way to get 1080+
2017-08-14T05:05:34 < upgrdman> and when running it from a datacenter, you get assloads of bandwidth
2017-08-14T05:05:39 < dongs> -fbest just gives you 720p mp4
2017-08-14T05:06:46 < upgrdman> i gotta say tho, syncthing is nice. it fucking works, even with shit china internet. its smart enough to keep retrying, and break transfers into decent sized chunks.
2017-08-14T05:13:50 < Thorn> what protocol is it using? http?
2017-08-14T05:14:02 < dongs> IP over avian carriers
2017-08-14T05:14:04 < Thorn> can you ssh from .cn?
2017-08-14T05:14:15 < upgrdman> Thorn, yes i can ssh
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2017-08-14T05:14:26 < upgrdman> i dunno how syncthing transfers, prolly tcp
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2017-08-14T05:36:50 < dongs> haha threadripper is fucking awesome
2017-08-14T05:36:52 < dongs> 45W while IDLING
2017-08-14T05:36:56 < dongs> AMD delivers again
2017-08-14T05:37:14 < dongs> http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11697/89807.png donno if you can see that analtech link
2017-08-14T05:37:20 < dongs> i bet they're c unts about hotlinking
2017-08-14T05:38:03 < upgrdman> 45w idle, lol
2017-08-14T05:38:42 < dongs> gaymd should just stop trying
2017-08-14T05:38:48 < dongs> also, they REQUIRE liquid cooling
2017-08-14T05:38:49 < dongs> for that trash
2017-08-14T05:38:54 < dongs> like, wut
2017-08-14T05:42:43 < upgrdman> dongs, req liq? how much power at full? air cooling is good for 100W iirc
2017-08-14T05:43:34 < dongs> its 180W TDP
2017-08-14T05:43:40 < dongs> (lol)
2017-08-14T05:43:47 < dongs> http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11697/89809.png
2017-08-14T05:43:51 < dongs> and actually reaches that at full load
2017-08-14T05:44:15 < upgrdman> wow
2017-08-14T05:44:47 < upgrdman> and babylake i9 is 150w, lol
2017-08-14T06:01:35 < Thorn> CRS-12 Launch Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLxWsYx8dbo
2017-08-14T06:04:00 < dongs> .. 13 hours
2017-08-14T06:04:38 < Thorn> and 26 minutes
2017-08-14T06:05:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrP3jHuLQ9o thats kinda cool
2017-08-14T06:13:00 < dongs> jadew: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNGamRYYAgGj?t=2m30s retweet of that deleted video
2017-08-14T06:13:08 < dongs> HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT
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2017-08-14T06:17:14 < Thorn> >STM8CubeMX
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2017-08-14T06:18:58 < englishman> dongs: threadnigger CPU is almost as large as Nintendo 3ds
2017-08-14T06:19:20 < dongs> is it
2017-08-14T06:19:37 < englishman> yeah find a pic
2017-08-14T06:23:19 < dongs> https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/05/ryzen_threadripper_socket_with_skylake_x-100724182-large.jpg
2017-08-14T06:23:26 < dongs> i9 vs threadshitter
2017-08-14T06:27:13 < englishman> xbox
2017-08-14T06:29:42 < dongs> intel completely fucking murders threadnigger in PDF opening
2017-08-14T06:29:57 < dongs> like almsot 2x as fast, at 1/2 the wattage and 1/4 the price
2017-08-14T06:33:17 < R0b0t1_> Well, I just tried to turn the LED on this board on and I failed.
2017-08-14T06:34:09 < dongs> do you need clippy to help you out
2017-08-14T06:34:14 < dongs> hi, it looks like you're trying to turn on a led
2017-08-14T06:34:16 < dongs> would you like
2017-08-14T06:34:29 < dongs> 1) to turn on gpio clocks 2) suicide
2017-08-14T06:35:05 < dongs> __HAL_SOME_SHIT_IN_CAPS_GPIOA()
2017-08-14T06:35:25 < dongs> because doing rccperiph(gpioa | gpiob | gpioc, enable) was TOO FUCKING HARD
2017-08-14T06:36:09 < R0b0t1_> I think I am going to have to post on the STM32 forum
2017-08-14T06:36:12 < R0b0t1_> I think I enabled everything
2017-08-14T06:36:31 < dongs> forum, haha
2017-08-14T06:36:34 < R0b0t1_> I tried removing my clock configuration in case I set it to an invalid state, but I don't think I did.
2017-08-14T06:36:40 < R0b0t1_> dongs I am not very smart
2017-08-14T06:37:01 < R0b0t1_> I did get an STM32 part working before but I was using Mikroelectronica's BASIC
2017-08-14T06:37:06 < dongs> have you tried: making the fucking cube project and building it as-is
2017-08-14T06:37:08 < R0b0t1_> I really don't see much different now
2017-08-14T06:37:19 < R0b0t1_> Yes but not with my GPIO/HAL code
2017-08-14T06:37:23 < dongs> wat
2017-08-14T06:37:25 < R0b0t1_> I suppose I will try that
2017-08-14T06:37:43 < dongs> are  y ou leeloominai'ing your own fucking HAL on top of ST HAL
2017-08-14T06:37:49 < R0b0t1_> I compiled the Cube project without changing it to test my cross compiler
2017-08-14T06:38:01 < dongs> i heard you like layers of abstractions, so I'll just add another layer here and there noone will notice, yo dawg
2017-08-14T06:38:01 < R0b0t1_> No I'm using the CMSIS register definitions
2017-08-14T06:38:57 < dongs> you mean STM32Fxxx.h?
2017-08-14T06:39:01 < R0b0t1_> Yes
2017-08-14T06:40:29 < R0b0t1_> dongs: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/we7aZ2EebUYXDbIcWDZu/
2017-08-14T06:41:38 < R0b0t1_> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/tsgAwsFWT0tIo7tIDeXR/
2017-08-14T06:41:47 < R0b0t1_> Not too different from the Cube project but I made it easier to read
2017-08-14T06:45:40 < Thorn>  so you enable reset in AHB2RSTR but never disable it?
2017-08-14T06:46:09 < Thorn> GPIOB won't work until you clear that bit
2017-08-14T06:46:25 < Thorn> (you don't need to touch it at all anyway)
2017-08-14T06:48:31 < R0b0t1_> Oh it's not a oneshot?
2017-08-14T06:48:44 < R0b0t1_> Ahh whoops
2017-08-14T06:50:23 < Thorn> RM says "set and cleared by software"
2017-08-14T06:50:31 < R0b0t1_> Yeah, I just saw that
2017-08-14T06:50:54 < R0b0t1_> It still doesn't turn on the LED, unfortunately. New code: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/50EI4PebiJ5ux4okBHJn/
2017-08-14T06:52:28 < Thorn> also you set the pin to open collector and then set it high. what do you think would happen
2017-08-14T06:53:43 < R0b0t1_> Hmm
2017-08-14T06:53:48 < R0b0t1_> That would also be a problem
2017-08-14T06:54:00 < R0b0t1_> Yet that doesn't work either - I will now try push/pull and setting it high
2017-08-14T06:55:39 < R0b0t1_> Sadly that didn't work either
2017-08-14T07:04:45 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=312_1497762689 haha
2017-08-14T07:04:46 < dongs> niggers
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2017-08-14T07:13:54 < R0b0t1_> Okay, I have made a post on the STM32 forums. If anyone knows a better place to ask, please say so.
2017-08-14T07:13:56 < R0b0t1_> https://community.st.com/message/165558
2017-08-14T07:15:01 < upgrdman> with shit like this:
2017-08-14T07:15:02 < upgrdman> 	USBD_Status ret = USBD_OK;
2017-08-14T07:15:02 < upgrdman> 	DCD_EP_Tx(pdev, 0, pbuf, len);
2017-08-14T07:15:02 < upgrdman> 	return ret;
2017-08-14T07:15:09 < upgrdman> why not just return USBD_OK;  ?
2017-08-14T07:15:34 < upgrdman> is that just shit intern code, or is there some side effect im not seeing?
2017-08-14T07:19:42 < R0b0t1_> Oh my post is pending moderation
2017-08-14T07:19:44 < R0b0t1_> I am sad
2017-08-14T07:20:15 < R0b0t1_> upgrdman: It looks like they forgot to check the return value of the function. Otherwise, they must be following the pattern in other functions that do check the return value after initializing it to a default.
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2017-08-14T07:34:46 < dongs> clive1 will tell you what to do
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2017-08-14T07:35:17 < R0b0t1_> Was that directed at me dongs?
2017-08-14T07:35:26 < dongs> yes
2017-08-14T07:35:27 < R0b0t1_> I hope someone can tell me what to do. I am not very smart and generally lack direction.
2017-08-14T07:35:32 < R0b0t1_> You have given me hope, thank you.
2017-08-14T07:37:15 < Thorn> R0b0t1_: have you tried commenting out the clock_up(); call?
2017-08-14T07:37:50 < Thorn> it should come up on HSI @ 8MHz or something like that without any RCC config
2017-08-14T07:38:02 < Thorn> in case that function crashes
2017-08-14T07:39:22 < Thorn> anyway whatever it is it can be found in a few minutes with a debugger
2017-08-14T07:39:26 < R0b0t1_> I did comment it out. It should come up at 4MHz.
2017-08-14T07:39:45 < R0b0t1_> Since changing it to properly set the pin I tried it again, but no dice, I will try again with push/pull
2017-08-14T07:40:21 < R0b0t1_> That does not work either I am afraid
2017-08-14T07:40:40 < R0b0t1_> I do have a debugger because this is a NUCLEO-L432KC. I'm not sure what to look for
2017-08-14T07:43:36 < R0b0t1_> Well I appreciate the help
2017-08-14T07:43:41 < R0b0t1_> But unfortunately I am a special kind of stupid
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2017-08-14T07:44:51 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/nucleo-l432kc.html >On-board ST-LINK/V2-1 debugger/programmer
2017-08-14T07:45:26 < Thorn> that is all you need to debug (not counting software)
2017-08-14T07:45:50 < Thorn> my gpio library if it helps https://gist.github.com/pthorn/187bbffdf4e278d6deefff9456cf2ebb
2017-08-14T07:45:52 < R0b0t1_> I am programming with openocd
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2017-08-14T07:46:12 < Thorn> you can also debug with it
2017-08-14T07:48:53 < R0b0t1_> Yes, meant to say I think I can hook it up to gdb as well
2017-08-14T07:48:59 < R0b0t1_> The problem I face is what do I actually look for
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2017-08-14T07:51:06 < Thorn> step through the code, confirm that it actually runs and doesn't crash, look at rcc & gpiob registers after it has set them
2017-08-14T07:52:20 < R0b0t1_> Alright
2017-08-14T07:52:30 < R0b0t1_> I think I will have to do that tomorrow or later this week
2017-08-14T07:55:47 < dongs> you should consider installing keil demo
2017-08-14T07:55:57 < dongs> doesnt sound like you'll need more than 32kbytes of compiled code anytime soon
2017-08-14T07:56:04 < dongs> and you can actually use the debugger
2017-08-14T08:00:54 < R0b0t1_> I like to support free software sir
2017-08-14T08:00:58 < R0b0t1_> I think it best I learn how to use GDB
2017-08-14T08:01:14 < R0b0t1_> I want to make my own keyboard some day
2017-08-14T08:01:32 < R0b0t1_> I don't seem to be smart enough to be able to do it. I pray to the Lord every night but I don't seem to be making very good progress.
2017-08-14T08:01:44 < R0b0t1_> At least I was able to get the compiler and build system set up this weekend.
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2017-08-14T08:01:52 < dongs> i can suggest a new keyt arrangemetn for you
2017-08-14T08:01:56 < dongs> instead of QWERTY
2017-08-14T08:01:57 < dongs> it should be
2017-08-14T08:01:59 < dongs> AUTISM
2017-08-14T08:02:08 < dongs> on the top row
2017-08-14T08:02:37 < upgrdman> do japs nap after lunch
2017-08-14T08:02:48 < upgrdman> i just had to wake up a coworker to give him some project
2017-08-14T08:02:49 < Thorn> and DONGS on the 2nd
2017-08-14T08:05:31 < R0b0t1_> dongs: That is why I want to make one, to experiment with layouts
2017-08-14T08:05:33 < R0b0t1_> Also
2017-08-14T08:05:37 < R0b0t1_> to have the keys be columnar and not staggered
2017-08-14T08:07:39 < Thorn> my keyboard is stm32 based iirc
2017-08-14T08:07:57 < Thorn> or maybe other cortex-m
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2017-08-14T11:07:49 < zyp> hey, that guy with the adafruit swd adapter the other day, that was for some atmel stuff?
2017-08-14T11:08:05 < zyp> if so, blame atmel, not adafruit
2017-08-14T11:08:13 < zyp> "WARNING for ATMEL-ICE users: Astoundingly the new Atmel-ICE has it's SWD header pin numbering reversed. To use our cable with their backwards header you'll either need to cut off the ribbon connector locating lug and plug it in reversed, or connect a new ribbon header onto our cable backwards. If you plug in a standard (correct) Cortex cable you're going to short power and stuff out."
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2017-08-14T11:10:06 < fest> yes, I think somebody even sent him to ##sam4s
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2017-08-14T11:14:08 < Steffanx> Haha. I actually read that before :D
2017-08-14T11:14:21 < daey> zyp: is that an official atmel statement?
2017-08-14T11:16:59 < zyp> no
2017-08-14T11:17:29 < zyp> what makes you think that atmel would formulate it like that?
2017-08-14T11:22:18 < Steffanx> Oh its tag connect with that message right?
2017-08-14T11:22:52 < zyp> yeah, I found it when I were looking at tag-connect for something else
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2017-08-14T11:28:52 < invzim> any of you pros made your own bootloader stuff?
2017-08-14T11:32:06 < zyp> yeah?
2017-08-14T11:32:44 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp
2017-08-14T11:33:04 < invzim> bit of a chicken/egg thing going - can you make openocd flash the main app somewhere else than normal and have it boot from there, and worry about the bootloader later?
2017-08-14T11:33:07 < zyp> that's HID-based, I have a version with a DFU frontend also
2017-08-14T11:33:55 < zyp> invzim, what are you aiming to achieve by that?
2017-08-14T11:34:09 < zyp> in short: no
2017-08-14T11:34:28 < invzim> to to frequent compiles/debug without involving the bootloader app
2017-08-14T11:34:30 < invzim> do
2017-08-14T11:35:04 < zyp> well, consider this:
2017-08-14T11:35:07 < invzim> or just have two scripts and compile it for a different location to make upgrade image?
2017-08-14T11:35:13 < zyp> chip always boots from start of flash
2017-08-14T11:35:35 < zyp> in other words, there needs to be an executable image at start of flash
2017-08-14T11:36:30 < zyp> if you already have a bootloader, nothing prevents you from writing the application image by debugger, leaving the bootloader untouched
2017-08-14T11:36:55 < zyp> if you don't have a bootloader yet, just build application image to run from start of flash
2017-08-14T11:37:58 < zyp> on my L0 stuff, the bootloader is so slow that I don't even use it for factory programming, I just write both bootloader and application over SWD at the same time
2017-08-14T11:38:37 < invzim> so you have a script that combines the images every time?
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2017-08-14T11:38:50 < invzim> ah, for production - yah
2017-08-14T11:39:08 < zyp> no, I just load them one by one
2017-08-14T11:39:16 < zyp> flash bootloader.elf; flash main.elf
2017-08-14T11:40:23 < invzim> sorry for my ignorance about tools - can you have openocd flash your main app, leaving the bootloader intact?
2017-08-14T11:40:33 < zyp> of course
2017-08-14T11:41:03 < zyp> well, I'm not familiar with openocd in specific, I use blackmagic probe
2017-08-14T11:41:05 < invzim> so I could do a 'dummy bootloader' that just jumps to the main app, and continue development as normal on the main app
2017-08-14T11:41:15 < invzim> except, now it resides where it belongs
2017-08-14T11:41:23 < zyp> bmp only erases the sectors it is about to write
2017-08-14T11:41:33 < zyp> I assume openocd could be configured for the same
2017-08-14T11:42:24 < invzim> allright thanks - then I got a plan :)
2017-08-14T11:42:39 < zyp> then again, I don't see the value in a dummy bootloader
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2017-08-14T11:43:20 < zyp> for your firmware, it should be irrelevant whether it builds for and boots from 0x8000000 or 0x8002000 (or whatever other offset you want)
2017-08-14T11:44:16 < zyp> only difference is that you have less flash left over when you add the offset, but if you're afraid of going over the limit and want to discover it early, you can just reduce the size without changing offset
2017-08-14T11:48:31 < invzim> the value would be that the dev-setup would be identical before and after, and that I then know that I got the capability
2017-08-14T11:49:10 < zyp> it would still be identical, the only difference is whether your linker script says 0x8000000 or 0x8002000
2017-08-14T11:49:44 < invzim> YOU probably know that, I don't yet :)
2017-08-14T11:50:11 < zyp> you should, I just told you :)
2017-08-14T11:51:10 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/ld_scripts/stm32_f303_b.ld <- here's my default f3 linker script
2017-08-14T11:51:37 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin.ld <- here's the linker script that accounts for a bootloader in the first 8k of flash
2017-08-14T11:52:23 < zyp> which one of those to use is the only difference between a standalone firmware and a firmware that's started by a bootloader
2017-08-14T11:53:16 < zyp> and for completeness, here's the one for the bootloader: https://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.ld
2017-08-14T11:54:03 < zyp> the one for the bootloader doesn't even result in anything different from the default one, it just adds a hard limit of 8k flash so that linking fails if that's exceeded
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2017-08-14T12:02:34 < ohsix> http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/print/volume-28/issue-7/rf-microwave/army-mulls-cots-radios-to-help-detect-radioactive-materials-and-nuclear-weapons.html what aload of nonsense
2017-08-14T12:02:45 < ohsix> how
2017-08-14T12:16:01 < dongs> fucker script
2017-08-14T12:17:32 < ohsix> i'm loading my war menu
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2017-08-14T12:25:19 < dongs> what's a downstream USB port, thats the one out from say hub/etc and going to a socket right
2017-08-14T12:28:49 < karlp> a downstream port is the port on the hub/host that goes to a device/hub.
2017-08-14T12:30:04 < zyp> it's "downstream facing" IIRC
2017-08-14T12:30:51 < zyp> and yes, downstream ports are traditionally A, upstream ports are traditionally B
2017-08-14T12:42:01 < invzim> zyp: much appreciated
2017-08-14T12:42:24 < invzim> the linker script in my project was made by arm-eclipse something and is pretty big Ø=
2017-08-14T12:42:35 < invzim> it does have a clear memory section like yours tho
2017-08-14T12:43:36 < zyp> the memory section is basically the only thing that differs between parts with different memory layouts
2017-08-14T12:44:15 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/ld_scripts/arm_flash_ram.ld <- the big part is common for all, so it's just an include
2017-08-14T12:45:31 < dongs> i like how in keil i dont have to carea bout any of this trash
2017-08-14T12:46:43 < zyp> idk, having it in a .ld file seems more maintainable to me than hidden away in some gui somewhere
2017-08-14T12:46:59 < invzim> keil is silly money like altium?
2017-08-14T12:47:10 < dongs> if your code is < 32k
2017-08-14T12:47:16 < dongs> then keil is the obvious choice
2017-08-14T12:47:19 < dongs> or if you're on F0/L0
2017-08-14T12:47:56 < zyp> shame they don't do cortex-r
2017-08-14T12:48:00 < dongs> they do?
2017-08-14T12:48:08 < zyp> not last I checked
2017-08-14T12:48:25 < dongs> Legacy support for ARM7, ARM9 & Cortex-R < they even ahve it in lgecay pack
2017-08-14T12:48:29 < invzim> that's like saying, if your project is 2 layer, eagle is the right tool to learn
2017-08-14T12:48:30 < dongs> so surely they have it in mainline/v5 too
2017-08-14T12:48:44 < dongs> invzim: no, beacuse with eagle there's no future/upgrade path
2017-08-14T12:49:06 < invzim> and with keil, if it's silly money, it's not a viable future/upgrade path
2017-08-14T12:51:05 < zyp> ah, MDK plus/pro could have worked
2017-08-14T12:51:15 < dongs> for -R?
2017-08-14T12:51:27 < zyp> yeah
2017-08-14T12:51:47 < zyp> but eh, whatever
2017-08-14T12:51:58 < dongs> is that the TI shit?
2017-08-14T12:52:07 < zyp> I've managed to beat CCS into submission now
2017-08-14T12:52:09 < dongs> SAFETY MCUS
2017-08-14T12:52:11 < dongs> rite
2017-08-14T12:52:12 < zyp> yes
2017-08-14T12:53:48 < dongs> is that shit NRND
2017-08-14T12:54:02 < dongs> all devkits no stock @ digijew
2017-08-14T12:54:35 < dongs> yep obsolete lol
2017-08-14T12:54:36 < dongs> RIP
2017-08-14T12:54:44 < zyp> shouldn't be, some of this shit is fairly new
2017-08-14T12:54:58 < dongs> IC MCU 32BIT 3MB FLASH 337NFBGA	0
2017-08-14T12:54:59 < dongs> Obsolete
2017-08-14T12:55:04 < dongs> ^ according to dodgykey
2017-08-14T12:55:06 < zyp> which part?
2017-08-14T12:55:13 < dongs> RM48L952ZWTT
2017-08-14T12:55:23 < dongs> <zyp> o shit its the stuff im working with
2017-08-14T12:55:54 < dongs> it looks like there's XRM48 and RM48
2017-08-14T12:56:02 < dongs> err but no wait both of thosea are disc
2017-08-14T12:56:20 < dongs> RM48L952DZWTT that one is still for sale
2017-08-14T12:56:24 < dongs> $40/pc
2017-08-14T12:56:59 < zyp> not my problem :)
2017-08-14T12:57:25 < zyp> also not the part
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2017-08-14T12:57:58 < stvn> sup kanjers
2017-08-14T12:58:05 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/RM46L852CZWTT/296-43310-ND/5414981 <- I think this is the one we're users
2017-08-14T12:58:08 < zyp> using*
2017-08-14T13:00:40 < zyp> I'm not handling anything related to hardware production, closest I come is reviewing schematics, tell people what to change, then wait for assembled boards to show up on my desk
2017-08-14T13:00:48 < dongs> cool
2017-08-14T13:00:56 < dongs> sounds like plenty of time to troll on irc
2017-08-14T13:01:11 < stvn> no leeloo in sight
2017-08-14T13:01:17 < dongs> thankfully
2017-08-14T13:01:29 < zyp> well, still got a bunch of software stuff I need to get working
2017-08-14T13:03:16 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/TMDXRM46HDK/296-34956-ND/3661890 <- got one of these sitting on my desk for prototyping
2017-08-14T13:03:42 < dongs> oh ok the shit i was pasting was all RM48
2017-08-14T13:03:54 < zyp> it's basically the same
2017-08-14T13:04:18 < zyp> RM48 is an RM46 with a bit more memory and some more features (trace, etc..)
2017-08-14T13:04:48 < zyp> it's directly footprint compatible, so we're designing for RM46 with the option to drop in RM48 later if we need more memory
2017-08-14T13:07:25 < zyp> or possibly RM57
2017-08-14T13:10:06 < Steffanx> You are our leeloo now stvn
2017-08-14T13:10:15 < dongs> haha
2017-08-14T13:10:24 < stvn> ty
2017-08-14T13:25:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/nW8v7zL.jpg how japs sell antivirus in 2017
2017-08-14T13:26:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vW3eyu0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3PPty4Y.jpg
2017-08-14T13:26:14 < Steffanx> How is diptracing goinf stvn ?
2017-08-14T13:26:40 < Steffanx> Lol, its real dongs :o
2017-08-14T13:26:48 < dongs> yeah real
2017-08-14T13:26:50 < dongs> lol @ japs
2017-08-14T13:27:21 < stvn> nice
2017-08-14T13:27:37 < stvn> i just got home from the office/factory
2017-08-14T13:29:51 < dongs> https://www.primeabgb.com/online-price-reviews-india/msi-x370-xpower-gaming-titanium-mb-intel-core-i7-7700k-processor-g-skill-f4-3000c16d-16gtzr-ram/#tab_yotpo_widget meanwhile in india
2017-08-14T13:30:41 < stvn> intelz
2017-08-14T13:32:08 < stvn> the pcb
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2017-08-14T13:47:09 < Laurenceb> <kakimir> what was the protest about Laurenceb ?
2017-08-14T13:47:09 < Laurenceb> <kakimir> I try to symphatise with the driver
2017-08-14T13:49:38 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG0YE49UIAABr9m.jpg:large
2017-08-14T13:50:09 < Laurenceb> kakimir confirmed as attacker
2017-08-14T13:50:26 < Laurenceb> dongs confirmed as reading ED
2017-08-14T13:50:40 < Laurenceb> picture of the now
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2017-08-14T14:13:02 < englishman> lol, japs sure are sexually starved
2017-08-14T14:13:22 < stvn> THE GERBERS
2017-08-14T14:14:09 < englishman> dongs, repost from a week ago
2017-08-14T14:19:42 < dongs> englishman: sorry i just turned on my other irc
2017-08-14T14:19:48 < dongs> and catched up with all the /mentions
2017-08-14T14:21:55 < englishman> It's an assault vehicle. Seriously, no one needs that many horsepower in one engine. If it had been slower to accelerate it would have been far less deadly. We need to ban cars with features that are suited to driving on race tracks and not the roads. Only professional race car drivers should be able to have high horsepower assault vehicles.
2017-08-14T14:22:21 < stvn> lol
2017-08-14T14:22:35 < dongs> haha
2017-08-14T14:24:31 < fest> hm, turns out the number of USB devices you can actually use is way less than 127/255 * number of USB2/3 controllers
2017-08-14T14:24:59 < dongs> ?
2017-08-14T14:25:13 < dongs> how so
2017-08-14T14:25:25 < dongs> zyp will be disagreeing all over the place in 3..2..1..
2017-08-14T14:25:32 < fest> I now have 26 usb devices connected (according to lsusb) and lunix refuses any more devices
2017-08-14T14:25:38 < dongs> oh lunix
2017-08-14T14:25:40 < dongs> spotted the problme
2017-08-14T14:25:51 < fest> it's actually similar on windows :P
2017-08-14T14:25:53 < dongs> shoulda started with that
2017-08-14T14:25:54 < dongs> no
2017-08-14T14:26:04 < fest> e.g. some intel hw supports 96 endpoints per controller
2017-08-14T14:26:05 < stvn> niggaworks
2017-08-14T14:26:06 < dongs> i have personally witnessed > 100 usb devices
2017-08-14T14:26:25 < dongs> hell, i've made a thing with 32 usb smart acrd readers
2017-08-14T14:26:27 < dongs> and that shit worked
2017-08-14T14:26:49 < fest> this limit seems to be related to usb3 (xhci)
2017-08-14T14:26:49 < dongs> (on windows, years ago
2017-08-14T14:26:53 < dongs> oh
2017-08-14T14:26:58 < dongs> are you using usb3 devives?
2017-08-14T14:27:00 < dongs> devices
2017-08-14T14:27:01 < dongs> or usb2
2017-08-14T14:27:21 < fest> most of the devices are usb2 and not even high speed
2017-08-14T14:28:44 < fest> haha, superuser.com suggestion: no problem, recompile kernel without xhci support
2017-08-14T14:29:13 < englishman> truly ready for the desktop
2017-08-14T14:29:33 < dongs> lnux 2017
2017-08-14T14:29:47 < fest> I knew dongs would appreciate :>
2017-08-14T14:29:57 < BrainDamage> 1997 was the year of the lunix desktop
2017-08-14T14:30:15 < dongs> the only desktop it was on, was lunis toreballs
2017-08-14T14:30:22 < dongs> and all he does on it is open vi full screen
2017-08-14T14:30:25 < dongs> and write rage emails
2017-08-14T14:30:28 < dongs> in whatever lunix mail client he uses
2017-08-14T14:30:39 < zyp> fest, you're not exceeding max depth then?
2017-08-14T14:30:58 < zyp> IIRC spec says max 7 nested hubs
2017-08-14T14:31:23 < dongs> i recall hitting max depth at some point
2017-08-14T14:31:27 < dongs> when doing the card stuff
2017-08-14T14:33:48 < fest> zyp: nope, even when accounting for internal hubs
2017-08-14T14:34:05 < stvn> i need another bong
2017-08-14T14:36:25 < fest> hmm, maybe this really is just a dumb linux driver limitation: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v4.10/drivers/usb/host/xhci.c#L1834
2017-08-14T14:36:59 < dongs> waht returns enomem
2017-08-14T14:39:56 < fest> seems like it's host controller hardware: https://livegrep.com/search/linux?q=COMP_ENOMEM
2017-08-14T14:41:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNCIp3fm7V0 wow this is almost cool
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2017-08-14T14:49:26 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/11/leaky_usb_research/ wat
2017-08-14T14:51:28 < BrainDamage> they are exploiting channel crosstalk aka electromagnetic near field interference to read on adjacent ports the signal
2017-08-14T14:52:20 < dongs> i knwo
2017-08-14T14:53:02 < BrainDamage> k, sorry, i misunderstood you
2017-08-14T14:53:43 < stvn> A niggers gotta eat while standing on his feet because when I hear the sound of guns I gotta get back on the run
2017-08-14T14:53:48 < zyp> uh, considering how usb is a broadcast bus, it was never supposed to be secure in itself
2017-08-14T14:53:52 < Ultrasauce> i had a leaky usb port and it made a mess all over my floor
2017-08-14T14:53:58 < dongs> usb jizz
2017-08-14T14:54:09 < zyp> if you need security over usb, encrypt the payloads
2017-08-14T14:54:23 < Ultrasauce> not to mention you can make a keylogger using just a frickin microphone
2017-08-14T14:54:36 < dongs> especially if your target is a faggot hipster
2017-08-14T14:54:42 < dongs> wiht a cherry brown keyboard
2017-08-14T14:54:43 < dongs> or was it blue
2017-08-14T14:54:47 < fest> disabling wwan modem and fingerprint reader freed up enough endpoints/whatever
2017-08-14T14:54:49 < dongs> the cluicky trash
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2017-08-14T14:55:04 < dongs> fest, serious fucking question
2017-08-14T14:55:13 < dongs> why the FUCK are you running lunix on modern hardware
2017-08-14T14:55:19 < dongs> like, what makes people do that
2017-08-14T14:55:33 < dongs> like, i can see lunix on some 386
2017-08-14T14:55:42 < dongs> to be a doorstop with years of uptime
2017-08-14T14:55:45 < BrainDamage> the keyb recogniton machine learning crap needs training on a per-device basis, it's not effective even on same models to my knowledge
2017-08-14T14:56:11 < BrainDamage> so you'd need the pc for a while, or a copy of what's being typed to make a model
2017-08-14T14:56:30 < Ultrasauce> i imagine you could run through a pretty quick training sequence
2017-08-14T14:56:45 < dongs> quick brown fox runs over the lazy dog
2017-08-14T14:56:50 < dongs> done
2017-08-14T14:57:41 < Ultrasauce> lunix dropped 386 support
2017-08-14T14:57:46 < Ultrasauce> now it's totally useless
2017-08-14T14:57:52 < dongs> what does it run on now?
2017-08-14T14:57:58 < Ultrasauce> sun sparc only
2017-08-14T14:58:02 < dongs> garbage.
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2017-08-14T14:59:17 < stvn> https://youtu.be/jskq3-lpQnE?t=2m8s
2017-08-14T14:59:41 < dongs> haha
2017-08-14T14:59:43 < dongs> new2me
2017-08-14T15:00:28 < dongs> pal did a 'make offer' on ebay for jlink pro and got accepted
2017-08-14T15:00:40 < stvn> nice
2017-08-14T15:00:42 < dongs> halfprice
2017-08-14T15:00:47 < stvn>  \o/
2017-08-14T15:00:51 < zyp> very pro
2017-08-14T15:00:54 < dongs> yep
2017-08-14T15:01:50 < fest> dongs: multiple reasons: way less issues with drivers for really common stuff (oh, you want to use that prolific usb-uart stuff, please download the driver), no auto-update-and-reboot insanity, command-line tools as first-class citizens, ability to use tiling window managers, cli remote access over shitty internet connections yada yada yada
2017-08-14T15:02:06 < Ultrasauce> fest you are fighting a losing battle
2017-08-14T15:02:07 < englishman> ha, not used to working with 5V hardware - forgot that microsd connected to tardmega requires level shifter
2017-08-14T15:02:16 < fest> I just feel more productive using linux, that's it
2017-08-14T15:02:17 < dongs> haha
2017-08-14T15:02:24 < dongs> @ englishman
2017-08-14T15:02:28 < englishman> yeaman
2017-08-14T15:02:45 < dongs> TXS0104 or wahtever
2017-08-14T15:02:51 < dongs> is wat i used on my last retarduino board
2017-08-14T15:02:52 < dongs> to sd
2017-08-14T15:02:54 < englishman> yea
2017-08-14T15:02:56 < englishman> same with edison
2017-08-14T15:03:03 < englishman> but diff voltages
2017-08-14T15:03:07 < dongs> but dont use same shit for uart
2017-08-14T15:03:10 < dongs> it doesnt fucking work
2017-08-14T15:03:12 < dongs> :(
2017-08-14T15:03:16 < englishman> wat
2017-08-14T15:03:19 < dongs> TSX
2017-08-14T15:03:26 < dongs> 5v->3.3V doesnt work for uart level shifting
2017-08-14T15:03:34 < dongs> cuz its permanently pulled up, shit gets confused doesnt know the direcitron
2017-08-14T15:04:01 < dongs> you either need one that can set direction but at that point you might as well just make shit out of discreets/logic gates (which is wat i did)
2017-08-14T15:04:07 < englishman> ah, anyway im using a TXB
2017-08-14T15:04:19 < englishman> bidirectional
2017-08-14T15:04:24 < dongs> yeah txb. that shit. whatever those quad converers are
2017-08-14T15:04:26 < dongs> that arent opendrain
2017-08-14T15:04:28 < zyp> dongs, you mean I2C?
2017-08-14T15:04:37 < zyp> you said UART
2017-08-14T15:04:45 < englishman> yeah as its bidirectional but the chip isnt
2017-08-14T15:04:52 < englishman> and only one port is 5v tolerant
2017-08-14T15:04:58 < dongs> zyp, yeah uart
2017-08-14T15:05:03 < dongs> TXB doesnt work with uarts
2017-08-14T15:05:07 < zyp> UART is push-pull unidirectional
2017-08-14T15:05:08 < dongs> it doesnt know how to sense direction
2017-08-14T15:05:14 < dongs> cuz both ends are high
2017-08-14T15:05:21 < englishman> no TXB should be ok
2017-08-14T15:05:30 < englishman> TXS is teh shitty one
2017-08-14T15:05:31 < dongs> not on 5v, i dont knwo about lwoer voltages
2017-08-14T15:05:37 < zyp> dongs, that doesn't make sense
2017-08-14T15:06:09 < Ultrasauce> talking about half-duplex maybe?
2017-08-14T15:07:50 < dongs> sorry for linking aidsfruit url
2017-08-14T15:07:50 < dongs> https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=78484
2017-08-14T15:07:53 < dongs> but this is theissue
2017-08-14T15:08:00 < dongs> sorry, not because of direction/pullup.
2017-08-14T15:08:03 < dongs> i forgot.
2017-08-14T15:08:06 < dongs> but that one summarizes it
2017-08-14T15:08:07 < dongs> nicely
2017-08-14T15:08:12 < zyp> reading
2017-08-14T15:08:13 < dongs> too weak drive
2017-08-14T15:08:54 < zyp> hmm, I think that's the shit I put on D4B board, between stm and edison
2017-08-14T15:09:09 < dongs> in on-board situation it should be fine
2017-08-14T15:09:15 < zyp> (which I might scrap anyway since edison is EOL)
2017-08-14T15:09:30 < dongs> switch to raspbperry pi 4.0
2017-08-14T15:09:43 < englishman> zyp, mouser isnt even getting more of em
2017-08-14T15:09:46 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brMK8qy1kUI
2017-08-14T15:09:56 < englishman> like they wont even quote me on new stock and the last buy date isnt for another month
2017-08-14T15:10:05 < zyp> heh
2017-08-14T15:10:12 < englishman> you know who came to the rescue?
2017-08-14T15:10:13 < englishman> ARROW
2017-08-14T15:10:14 < zyp> englishman, so, what will you be switching to?
2017-08-14T15:10:20 < englishman> my saviours
2017-08-14T15:10:25 < dongs> nothing, he will buy t he remaining stock worldwide
2017-08-14T15:10:28 < Ultrasauce> i am so sad terry davis went dark
2017-08-14T15:10:30 < zyp> haha
2017-08-14T15:10:36 < englishman> nothing. buying a fuckload of edisons
2017-08-14T15:10:37 < englishman> yes
2017-08-14T15:10:44 < englishman> maybe your artik
2017-08-14T15:10:53 < englishman> as they were mentioning a switch to ARM anyway
2017-08-14T15:10:59 < dongs> Ultrasauce: wait what
2017-08-14T15:11:03 < dongs> did he baleete his jewtube cahnnel
2017-08-14T15:11:09 < Ultrasauce> yes and his website
2017-08-14T15:11:34 < dongs> templeos.org loads here?
2017-08-14T15:11:36 < englishman> oh nooo
2017-08-14T15:12:03 < englishman> thats not his website that's God's website
2017-08-14T15:12:21 < Ultrasauce> oh it's new
2017-08-14T15:12:52 < zyp> englishman, aw, was hoping you found some decent alternatives
2017-08-14T15:13:29 < englishman> https://youtu.be/2C97fGBIrEg?t=19m11s
2017-08-14T15:13:48 < Ultrasauce> he was really losing his shit for awhile
2017-08-14T15:14:52 < englishman> zyp, what's wrong with artik? looks suitable. they just want to run pydongs scripts and use usb2-hs
2017-08-14T15:15:22 < stvn> lol
2017-08-14T15:16:02 < zyp> englishman, same shit that's wrong with edison, mostly
2017-08-14T15:16:26 < zyp> one single usb controller is annoying
2017-08-14T15:16:33 < dongs> tegra TX2
2017-08-14T15:17:10 < englishman> noooo plz
2017-08-14T15:17:20 < dongs> http://cdn.overclock.net/1/1f/1fdd497f_videocardz_RX480_.jpeg found zyp's videocard
2017-08-14T15:17:22 < Laurenceb> wew Sargon got b&
2017-08-14T15:17:25 < englishman> zyp, not a problem, just place usbhub on motherboard
2017-08-14T15:17:39 < karlp> prvents use of gadget stuff then englishman
2017-08-14T15:17:40 < zyp> englishman, no, I want both host and device
2017-08-14T15:17:46 < karlp> ^^
2017-08-14T15:18:01 < englishman> make sure to get industrial temp range. so your usb hub is -40/+125C while edison is 25C +-2
2017-08-14T15:18:08 < Laurenceb> zyp: do you have usb drivers for otg host?
2017-08-14T15:18:12 < englishman> ah k
2017-08-14T15:18:21 < Laurenceb> +-2  lulwut
2017-08-14T15:18:34 < zyp> Laurenceb, no, haven't gotten around to doing stm32 host yet
2017-08-14T15:18:37 < englishman> sorry
2017-08-14T15:18:38 < englishman> ±2
2017-08-14T15:18:50 < zyp> Laurenceb, but you wouldn't want to use my lib anyway
2017-08-14T15:19:02 < zyp> IIRC unicore-mx have stm32 usb host
2017-08-14T15:19:08 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-14T15:19:13 < dongs> keil has usb host
2017-08-14T15:19:16 < dongs> one click
2017-08-14T15:19:18 < Laurenceb> I had been thinking of chibios
2017-08-14T15:19:35 < zyp> unicore-mx is a libopencm3 fork
2017-08-14T15:19:38 < dongs> i've been thinking of bashing my head against the wall
2017-08-14T15:19:42 < Laurenceb> ah ok
2017-08-14T15:19:52 < Ultrasauce> playing in traffic is always an option
2017-08-14T15:22:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wKDuXZz.png lovely
2017-08-14T15:23:24 < dongs>  < zyp> unicore-mx is a libopencm3 fork
2017-08-14T15:23:25 < dongs> why?
2017-08-14T15:23:31 < dongs> libshitcm3 wasn't free enough?
2017-08-14T15:25:03 < hdt551> I have a custom board using an STM32F446 mcu.
2017-08-14T15:25:16 < hdt551> I am decoding mp3 files and writing the output to the DACs with DMA.
2017-08-14T15:25:22 < dongs> cool
2017-08-14T15:25:27 < dongs> i almsot did that
2017-08-14T15:25:28 < hdt551> I am reading the mp3 file from an SD card using SDIO/FATfs with DMA, all configured using CubeMX.
2017-08-14T15:25:49 < dongs> is this gonna be about F40x DMA problem with SDIO/other shit
2017-08-14T15:26:19 < hdt551> yes it is.
2017-08-14T15:26:23 < dongs> cool
2017-08-14T15:26:27 < dongs> there is: no solution
2017-08-14T15:26:46 < hdt551> I notice there is a very subtle but detectable "thump" in the audio output when the SD card is read.
2017-08-14T15:27:16 < dongs> and your DAC dma priority is already hgihest?
2017-08-14T15:27:20 < dongs> and sdio  lowest
2017-08-14T15:27:25 < hdt551> on the DACs yes.
2017-08-14T15:27:31 < hdt551> I have tried both on sdio.
2017-08-14T15:28:02 < hdt551> My understand is DMA1 and DMA2 can work simultaneously but I am not sure now.
2017-08-14T15:28:27 < dongs> they can't. thats the bug
2017-08-14T15:28:32 < englishman> yeah
2017-08-14T15:28:43 < englishman> i talked to st support about this
2017-08-14T15:28:50 < hdt551> Is this a HAL software problem or something with the silicon?
2017-08-14T15:28:51 < englishman> and there are known DMA issues, in errata
2017-08-14T15:28:53 < englishman> and unknown DMA issues
2017-08-14T15:28:58 < englishman> silicon
2017-08-14T15:29:05 < hdt551> Oh no.
2017-08-14T15:29:27 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gZdv3KZ4/
2017-08-14T15:29:32 < englishman> ^ that was january
2017-08-14T15:29:35 < englishman> no further correspondence
2017-08-14T15:29:52 < englishman> oh yorue not using f40x
2017-08-14T15:29:54 < englishman> nevermind
2017-08-14T15:30:01 < englishman> im going back to sleep
2017-08-14T15:30:11 < stvn> same
2017-08-14T15:30:23 < dongs> englishman: what makes you think thats any different
2017-08-14T15:30:39 < englishman> well i dono, its something not in f40x errata anyway
2017-08-14T15:30:49 < englishman> but htere is other dma1/2 simultaneous errata in f40x
2017-08-14T15:35:02 < hdt551> Maybe I made a mistake going with ST.  That seems like a problem that would impact many many designs.
2017-08-14T15:35:21 < karlp> zyp: https://www.acmesystems.it/roadrunner has both host+device usb channels on the expansions?
2017-08-14T15:35:23 < zyp> dongs, from my perspective, people didn't like karlp's code quality demands, so they forked so they could merge all the breaking changes they wanted
2017-08-14T15:36:00 < zyp> karlp, oh, A5, didn't know that had multiple buses
2017-08-14T15:37:08 < zyp> 16MB QSPI looks like a joke though :)
2017-08-14T15:37:14 < dongs> zyp, rip
2017-08-14T15:37:41 < dongs> hdt551: what are you trying to do. playing mp3s on MCUs isnt exactly novel
2017-08-14T15:38:02 < dongs> like why did you even use software decodeing on STM, you coulda used that VS1066 or whatever chip
2017-08-14T15:38:05 < dongs> VLSI thing
2017-08-14T15:38:30 < dongs> zyp, o yea SAMA5 is nice. you should tr y it
2017-08-14T15:38:38 < dongs> they also have baremetal code/libs for it
2017-08-14T15:38:42 < dongs> and not just LUNIX shit
2017-08-14T15:38:42 < hdt551> Yes, but those chips are quite expensive.
2017-08-14T15:38:56 < dongs> hdt551: disregard my suggestion, my question still stands
2017-08-14T15:39:48 < karlp> zyp: page says 0/16/256, but only has pricing for 16.
2017-08-14T15:39:51  * karlp shrugs
2017-08-14T15:39:58 < karlp> how much do you want to put there?
2017-08-14T15:40:04 < hdt551> dongs: Why do I want to make an mp3 player?
2017-08-14T15:40:08 < dongs> ya
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2017-08-14T15:40:17 < karlp> I imagine you're only meant to be putting uboot et all in the spi flash
2017-08-14T15:40:20 < dongs> < dongs> hdt551: what are you trying to do.
2017-08-14T15:40:48 < hdt551> Because I want one that's AAA battery powered, not hardwired, hard to replace rechargeable.
2017-08-14T15:41:07 < zyp> karlp, ah, yeah, and then microsd
2017-08-14T15:41:09 < zyp> makes sense
2017-08-14T15:41:29 < zyp> kinda inconvenient to not have that on-module though
2017-08-14T15:41:42 < zyp> I'd like wlan on-module too
2017-08-14T15:41:42 < dongs> hdt551: i mean, i wanted to mkae a mp3 player like 10 yaers ago
2017-08-14T15:41:46 < dongs> boubht parts for it
2017-08-14T15:41:48 < dongs> never started
2017-08-14T15:41:53 < karlp> they have a few different versions.
2017-08-14T15:42:07 < karlp> maybe aqua is more to your liking? nand+sd holder on boarde, no qspi?
2017-08-14T15:42:08 < dongs> karlp: what is your opinion on openaidscm3 fork
2017-08-14T15:42:15 < dongs> do you wish them to die in a fire
2017-08-14T15:42:40 < karlp> don't really mind.
2017-08-14T15:42:42 < dongs> karlp: the pricing page does show prices for 16/256meg qspi
2017-08-14T15:42:46 < dongs> https://www.acmesystems.it/roadrunner
2017-08-14T15:42:47 < dongs> err
2017-08-14T15:42:54 < dongs> https://www.acmesystems.it/www/roadrunner/#pricing
2017-08-14T15:42:59 < hdt551> What I have works, except for the very small 'thump' when the SD card is read.
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2017-08-14T15:43:31 < dongs> i dont doubt it. how about not using DMA for SD
2017-08-14T15:43:33 < dongs> during palyback
2017-08-14T15:43:39 < dongs> because,, nto like you need to read it REAL FAST
2017-08-14T15:43:44 < dongs> cuz its mp3.
2017-08-14T15:43:49 < dongs> enable it for USB/writes.
2017-08-14T15:44:40 < hdt551> It sounds like that may be what I have to do.  I will have to look into how that is done.
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2017-08-14T15:44:49 < zyp> isn't SDIO without DMA kinda useless?
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2017-08-14T15:45:03 < dongs> not for him!
2017-08-14T15:45:17 < zyp> also, is there an errata that says DMA1 and DMA2 can't run concurrently? which part is this on?
2017-08-14T15:45:25 < englishman> no errata
2017-08-14T15:45:30 < englishman> my problem was on f405
2017-08-14T15:45:35 < hdt551> I am using a STM32F446.
2017-08-14T15:45:39 < englishman> well there is errata but not for my case
2017-08-14T15:45:42 < zyp> is there some arbitration issue that keeps one DMA engine from accessing the bus when the other is running?
2017-08-14T15:46:00 < Ultrasauce> there is an errata that says if there's an underrun in the dma to dac the flag doesn't stop the transfer like it's supposed to
2017-08-14T15:46:01 < englishman> iirc it was some clock domain sync issue
2017-08-14T15:46:18 < englishman> hmm ignore me relly going back to sleep
2017-08-14T15:46:21 < hdt551> I search ST's forums and could not find anything saying there was an issue but that doesn't really mean anything.
2017-08-14T15:46:24 < Ultrasauce> so it could be an undiagnosed software bug also
2017-08-14T15:47:22 < hdt551> Just to be clear, I can to SDIO without DMA - is that correct - I don't have to change to SPI?
2017-08-14T15:47:47 < Ultrasauce> sure
2017-08-14T15:48:27 < hdt551> Great, at least I won't have to redo my board.
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2017-08-14T15:49:53 < hdt551> Thanks for all the info, I will abandon the SDIO DMA since there seems to be at least some suspicion there is some kind of contention problem.
2017-08-14T15:50:03 < Ultrasauce> well you still might want to go about diagnosing exactly what's happening to the output when you're reading from the sd
2017-08-14T15:51:47 < hdt551> I tried changing the DAC arrays to output continuous values of 2047 and not actually use what was coming out of the MP3 decoding/SD card.  The 'thump' is still there.
2017-08-14T15:52:24 < hdt551> There is nothing visible using a scope on the outputs when it happens, but it is audible.
2017-08-14T15:52:41 < Ultrasauce> could it even be a power issue
2017-08-14T15:53:22 < hdt551> I have checked the voltage with a scope and there is no dips.  I also put a 1uF cap across the power supply at the SD card.
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2017-08-14T15:58:38 < fest> have you tried creating an mp3 with monotonic signal (square/sine wave) and set the scope to trigger on wider or shorter pulses than the desired signal?
2017-08-14T15:59:30 < fest> if dac output stalls, you won't see the thump as change in amplitude, but it should be visible as a change of frequency of output signal
2017-08-14T15:59:32 < Ultrasauce> yeah do that, and also i would say do some polling to double check that DMAUDR is not being set
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2017-08-14T16:00:26 < englishman> anyone used designspark pcb
2017-08-14T16:00:42 < hdt551> fest:I did not think of that.  I will try that - Thanks.
2017-08-14T16:03:47 < fest> you could also toggle a gpio at the start and end of write operations and watch them on scope together with output signal
2017-08-14T16:06:17 < hdt551> I tried to use the SDIO DMA transfer complete callback to do that but haven't been able to get it to fire for some reason.
2017-08-14T16:07:35 < Ultrasauce> i imagine it doesn't in the underrun condition
2017-08-14T16:09:19 < hdt551> Is that what DMAUDR would show, an underrun?
2017-08-14T16:15:44 < hdt551> I also have changed the filebuffer size and the 'thump' timing varies with the buffer. Bigger buffer, longer time between 'thumps'.
2017-08-14T16:28:34 < R0b0t1`> I have a less compicated question here https://community.st.com/message/165558
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2017-08-14T16:46:16 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2017/08/13/another-arduino-compatible-this-time-its-a-sony/
2017-08-14T16:46:18 < Laurenceb> W E W
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2017-08-14T16:57:49 < Laurenceb> http://www.aoi.com.au/bcw/FixedorExpandingEarth.htm
2017-08-14T16:57:58 < Laurenceb> a whole new domain of insanity
2017-08-14T16:59:16 < Laurenceb> http://www.aoi.com.au/shared/DavidNoel4Websites.jpg
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2017-08-14T17:20:03 < englishman> "Are you capable of opening zip files"
2017-08-14T17:20:07 < englishman> ".....yes"
2017-08-14T17:20:23 < englishman> "OK good because the last guy would only accept rar files."
2017-08-14T17:20:55 < BrainDamage> my skills in opening zips extend past just mere files ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2017-08-14T17:23:32 < Steffanx> :o
2017-08-14T17:26:41 < BrainDamage> that's what she said
2017-08-14T17:26:52 < BrainDamage> or did?
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2017-08-14T17:33:24 < Steffanx> Or he?
2017-08-14T17:33:50 < Steffanx> Or you
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2017-08-14T17:44:46 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-14T17:44:52 < Laurenceb> http://www.keil.com/forum/24064/
2017-08-14T17:44:58 < Laurenceb> a problem with windozer?
2017-08-14T17:45:15 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage is on Tinder?
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2017-08-14T18:00:34 < BrainDamage> nope
2017-08-14T18:05:05 < Laurenceb> sounds like u r
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2017-08-14T18:14:24 < fest> I'm wondering what is the most sane way of dealing with d-cache in m7 cores... I mean, using MPU to disable cache for certain
2017-08-14T18:14:39 < fest> RAM region and allocating shared buffers there
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2017-08-14T18:15:01 < fest> or remember to clean and/or invalidate the cache before/after DMA operations
2017-08-14T18:15:05 < zyp> what problem are you trying to solve?
2017-08-14T18:16:46 < fest> I'm seeing some unspecified problem which results in jitter on LCD, which actually goes away when d-cache is disabled
2017-08-14T18:17:31 < fest> but if d-cache is disabled, clean&invalidate hardfault __for the first few times it is called after cold boot__
2017-08-14T18:19:12 < fest> the jitter __could be__ sdram/ltdc bus contention, which only manifests itself because cpu can perform updates to sdram much faster if d-cache is enabled
2017-08-14T18:20:27 < fest> but not sure yet, just thinking if manual clean&invalidate makes more or less sense than disabling cache for certain RAM region and using just that for DMA/CPU interaction
2017-08-14T18:21:23 < zyp> to me, manual invalidation of a buffer seems like the natural way of handling it
2017-08-14T18:21:34 < zyp> but to be fair, I don't have practical experience dealing with caches
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2017-08-14T18:24:49 < fest> yeah, in either way you have to think about it, either by specifying the attribute for linker (and deciding how large the un-cacheable region should be) or by explictly handling the invalidation
2017-08-14T18:27:33 < Laurenceb> iirc there is support in chibios for selectively disable cache to handle dma buffers
2017-08-14T18:27:40 < Laurenceb> but I've never used it sorry
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2017-08-14T18:28:08 < zyp> cmsis got a SCB_InvalidateDCache_by_Addr()
2017-08-14T18:28:34 < zyp> so you'd just call that on your DMA buffer
2017-08-14T18:29:05 < fest> with a caveat that buffer needs to be 128-bit aligned or something like that
2017-08-14T18:29:09 < zyp> at least for buffers filled by DMA
2017-08-14T18:29:18 < fest> (bitten by that already)
2017-08-14T18:29:32 < zyp> for buffers consumed by DMA, wouldn't it be enough with a DMB before starting the job?
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2017-08-14T18:30:15 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/8AbMFUG
2017-08-14T18:31:00 < zyp> fest, buffer doesn't have to be 128b-aligned, you can just align the area you invalidate
2017-08-14T18:31:03 < fest> good question zyp, I was also wondering if DSB/DMB would work
2017-08-14T18:31:19 < fest> hm, right
2017-08-14T18:31:35 < zyp> invalidating more than you need to shouldn't hurt anything except a slight performance hit
2017-08-14T18:31:52 < fest> (just checked, it was 32 byte alignment requirement)
2017-08-14T18:31:56 < zyp> depending on what else gets into those cache lines
2017-08-14T18:32:10 < zyp> well, yeah, I assume you invalidate whole cache lines
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2017-08-14T19:03:36 < Thorn> 30 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLxWsYx8dbo
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2017-08-14T19:16:02 < Steffanx> No real stream yet Thorn ?
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2017-08-14T19:16:48 < Thorn> they usually start ~10 min before the launch
2017-08-14T19:17:06 < Thorn> so should go live in 5 min
2017-08-14T19:18:14 < Thorn> https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/08/14/spacex-crs-12-mission-status-center/
2017-08-14T19:18:28 < Thorn> stream is live
2017-08-14T19:19:40 < Thorn> hosted by a firmware engineer 👍
2017-08-14T19:20:16 < englishman> Get Adobe Flash Player
2017-08-14T19:20:16 < englishman> Flash must be installed for you to view this video.
2017-08-14T19:20:23 < englishman> *sigh*
2017-08-14T19:20:47 < englishman> youtube is up anyway
2017-08-14T19:21:49 < Thorn> spaceflightnow has text stream
2017-08-14T19:22:03 < Thorn> no idea what kind of video is there
2017-08-14T19:23:50 < englishman> bs, no firmware engineer has that clean of a beard
2017-08-14T19:24:47 < Thorn> not being able to hide a microsd card in your beard is probably a requirement for the clearance
2017-08-14T19:25:29 < englishman> i can hide a 5.25" floppy in mine
2017-08-14T19:31:59 < englishman> thanks for the link Thorn
2017-08-14T19:32:17 < Ultrasauce> fuck i love that sound
2017-08-14T19:38:18 < Ultrasauce> no latency compensation for the different live streams! amateurs
2017-08-14T19:40:00 < Steffanx> And touch down
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2017-08-14T19:46:35 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P11y8N22Rq0 <- replays
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2017-08-14T20:10:36 < englishman> how much should i charge to place and hand solder PTH components totalling 8300 holes
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2017-08-14T20:14:52 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: try starting openocd with -d to see the list of directories it searches for the scripts. Pastebin the full output please, including the first version line.
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2017-08-14T20:17:11 < englishman> i think it would cost less to redesign the entire board in SMT
2017-08-14T20:18:24 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: I think it should be adding a path relative to the executable location in the 0.10.0 version.
2017-08-14T20:19:56 < R0b0t1`> PaulFertser: https://bpaste.net/show/6a564df116d9
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2017-08-14T20:20:46 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: so C:/Users/
2017-08-14T20:20:46 < R0b0t1`> PaulFertser: Basically if I try to run openocd.exe in my project directory I need to specify -f locations absolutely. The problem is those scripts then seem to try to import things relative to my project directory, which does not have the dependencies in it.
2017-08-14T20:20:47 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1/Tools/OpenOCD-20170609/bin/../../.././scripts
2017-08-14T20:20:49 < PaulFertser> is included
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2017-08-14T20:21:24 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: no, upstream scripts are not using relative pathes. Can you check they're present in the directory I mentioned?
2017-08-14T20:21:33 < R0b0t1`> C:\Users?
2017-08-14T20:22:11 < R0b0t1`> Parsing the relative path gives my home directory
2017-08-14T20:22:15 < R0b0t1`> C:\Users is like /home
2017-08-14T20:22:19 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: C:/Users/R0b0t1/Tools/OpenOCD-20170609/bin/../../.././scripts
2017-08-14T20:22:31 < R0b0t1`> I admit that is a better description of the behavior I had than before, but that's still wrong
2017-08-14T20:23:05 < R0b0t1`> C:\Users\R0b0t1\scripts
2017-08-14T20:23:20 < R0b0t1`> I *could* put them there, but why would I put them there?
2017-08-14T20:23:59 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: how do you build this binary?
2017-08-14T20:24:38 < R0b0t1`> I didn't build it, I downloaded it from http://gnutoolchains.com/arm-eabi/openocd/
2017-08-14T20:24:41 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: it seems it's improperly built/packaged. So OpenOCD binary assumes unsuitable pkgdatadir.
2017-08-14T20:24:52 < R0b0t1`> I apologize if that is completely unrelated to the project proper
2017-08-14T20:25:54 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: yes, that location is not among even the unofficial ones mentioned on the official openocd website.
2017-08-14T20:26:26 < R0b0t1`> Hmm, somehow the fishy facebook like buttons didn't register when I downloaded it
2017-08-14T20:26:30 < R0b0t1`> Good thing this isn't my computer I suppose
2017-08-14T20:27:27 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: please add that -d3 output to the mailing list thread and mention the place you downloaded the binary from as it's now clear that's the packager's error.
2017-08-14T20:31:25 < R0b0t1`> Ok, I've added that
2017-08-14T20:31:35 < R0b0t1`> On the other hand I don't think someone repackaging the project in that manner made many changes
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2017-08-14T20:32:01 < R0b0t1`> I thought there was already work done to support Windows sans Cygwin. If not, I don't expect it to work
2017-08-14T20:32:22 < R0b0t1`> I think I confused that link for a SourceForge link based on the Google results
2017-08-14T20:32:23 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: it's just was using wrong ./configure line. Or wrong directory structure / manual moves.
2017-08-14T20:32:39 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: OpenOCD works nicely on windows without cygwin, fully natively.
2017-08-14T20:32:44 < R0b0t1`> Neat
2017-08-14T20:33:38 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: I suggest you get Chopin's binary and retry.
2017-08-14T20:34:02 < R0b0t1`> Do you have a link?
2017-08-14T20:34:19 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1`: it's mentioned on http://openocd.org/getting-openocd/
2017-08-14T20:35:06 < R0b0t1`> I may try that later
2017-08-14T20:35:10 < R0b0t1`> I have it working in Cygwin now
2017-08-14T20:36:23 < PaulFertser> Ok
2017-08-14T20:36:40 < R0b0t1`> Thanks for the page though, somehow that one didn't register
2017-08-14T20:36:40 < R0b0t1`> Hmm
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2017-08-14T20:44:00 < englishman> looks like this is going to be me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxYY7TfWQZo
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2017-08-14T20:57:57 < Rob235> can you 3d print a side panel vertically? like 150mm x 150mm and a thickness of 6-10mm
2017-08-14T20:58:57 < zyp> why?
2017-08-14T21:01:25 < Rob235> haha i forget why I wanted to know, but I guess for a case you you have a panel on the bed and another perpendicular so its kinda the same as my question,
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2017-08-14T21:06:35 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/Jh0M0 meh this is kinda lame
2017-08-14T21:06:55 < Rob235> i guess it doesnt matter
2017-08-14T21:09:14 < Steffanx> what sw is that mr Rob235?
2017-08-14T21:09:25 < Rob235> fusion 360
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2017-08-14T23:17:05 < kakimir> is there such tatoo ink that is injected in skin with needle normally but the color wears out in a week or a month?
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2017-08-14T23:21:39 < Steffanx> use henna and get some terrible dermatitis
2017-08-14T23:27:35 < kakimir> how do you know this Steffanx?
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2017-08-14T23:35:51 < Ultrasauce> yes i want to hear more about the time you went to india and got a rash
2017-08-14T23:39:51 < kakimir> Steffan papa has got himself some ink over the years
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2017-08-14T23:42:39 < Steffanx> TV kak
2017-08-14T23:42:42 < Steffanx> kakimir:
2017-08-14T23:43:54 < kakimir> interesting
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2017-08-14T23:48:43 < Steffanx> They do it in african countries too, marocco etc.
2017-08-14T23:48:57 < Steffanx> But why do you want it kakimir
2017-08-14T23:49:11 < Steffanx> And no i have no tattoos, fuck no.
2017-08-14T23:49:45 < kakimir> me neather
2017-08-14T23:49:52 < kakimir> not my thing
2017-08-14T23:51:31 < kakimir> because mainstream nowdays
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2017-08-15T00:09:25 < englishman> scarred for life
2017-08-15T00:09:48 < kakimir> how is that englishman
2017-08-15T00:11:50 < Laurenceb_> based trump amirite?
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2017-08-15T00:11:54 < Laurenceb_> 4d chess
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2017-08-15T00:13:36 < kakimir> speak human Laurenceb_
2017-08-15T00:13:52 < Laurenceb_> centipede
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2017-08-15T00:14:12 < Laurenceb_> praise kek
2017-08-15T00:14:55 < kakimir> you have brain cancer Laurenceb_
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2017-08-15T00:20:11 < kakimir> englishman: why you scarred?
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2017-08-15T00:27:18 < englishman> no, tattooes
2017-08-15T00:27:49 < englishman> fuuuuck this assembly that took me all of last week... they want 1.5x more in half the time
2017-08-15T00:28:46 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ullU20d.jpg
2017-08-15T00:28:48 < englishman> wtf laurent
2017-08-15T00:36:39 < kakimir> what do you mean you are scarred of tattoos?
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2017-08-15T00:42:42 < kakimir> on other people or yourself?
2017-08-15T00:46:10 < R0b0t1`> https://community.st.com/thread/42850-help-setting-clock-and-driving-gpio-using-cmsis-register-definitions-for-stm32l432kc
2017-08-15T00:46:15 < R0b0t1`> I don't know if you can see my reply
2017-08-15T00:46:26 < R0b0t1`> but basically, clearing a bit from the MODER register is not sufficient
2017-08-15T00:46:34 < R0b0t1`> for some reason clearing both and then writing a value works
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2017-08-15T00:49:12 < englishman> kakimir, scarred != scared
2017-08-15T00:50:34 < kakimir> oh true
2017-08-15T00:50:39 < kakimir> you have them?
2017-08-15T00:50:56 < Thorn> kakimir, the master of puns
2017-08-15T00:53:49 < englishman> R0b0t1`: GPIOB->MODER &= ~(GPIO_MODER_MODE3_1);
2017-08-15T00:53:51 < englishman> erm
2017-08-15T00:54:03 < englishman> why ~
2017-08-15T00:54:33 < Thorn> R0b0t1`: I assume RM0351 is relevant here. so I'm looking at rev 5, page 300, section 8.4.1 GPIO port mode register (GPIOx_MODER) (x =A..I)
2017-08-15T00:55:18 < Thorn> >Reset values: • 0xFFFF FEBF for port B
2017-08-15T00:55:39 < Thorn> you say in your comment "Note this register defaults to 0b11 for most pins."
2017-08-15T00:55:51 < Thorn> apparently pin B3 is not most pins
2017-08-15T00:56:59 < Thorn> 0xB = 10 11
2017-08-15T00:58:11 < englishman> racist pin
2017-08-15T00:59:39 < Laurenceb_> nah
2017-08-15T00:59:45 < Laurenceb_> I blame the patriarchy
2017-08-15T01:00:36 < englishman> theres turkeys in my garden
2017-08-15T01:04:25 < Thorn> ok L432, so RM0394 rev 3 page 263 same shit
2017-08-15T01:05:05 < R0b0t1`> Thorn: Hmm.
2017-08-15T01:05:12 < R0b0t1`> See, like I have been saying: I am not very smart.
2017-08-15T01:05:17 < R0b0t1`> Thank you for entertaining my mistakes.
2017-08-15T01:06:01 < Thorn> PB3 is JTDO, this is why it is non-standard I guess
2017-08-15T01:08:37 < R0b0t1`> My next problem is I suspect my STM32L432KC is resetting before I can toggle pins in the project I have which is missing most of the boilerplate code
2017-08-15T01:09:16 < Thorn> 10 means AF mode, datasheet says in note 3 to the pin table: "After reset, these pins are configured as JTAG/SW debug alternate functions ..."
2017-08-15T01:09:34 < Thorn> the lesson: RTFRM.
2017-08-15T01:10:03 < Thorn> is that project using HAL?
2017-08-15T01:10:22 < R0b0t1`> Thorn: I did read the manual, and read through that section
2017-08-15T01:10:25 < Thorn> HAL enables systick, if you don't have the systick handler then it will hardfault on the first systick interrupt
2017-08-15T01:10:30 < R0b0t1`> Yes one of the projects is using HAL
2017-08-15T01:10:39 < R0b0t1`> Er, the one which is not using HAL has issues
2017-08-15T01:10:53 < R0b0t1`> I need to set up systick inside of that one and make sure I am delaying properly, my busy waits might be optimized out
2017-08-15T01:12:02 < Thorn> use volatile loop vars
2017-08-15T01:12:12 < Thorn> for (volatile int ....) ;;
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2017-08-15T01:12:45 < R0b0t1`> I will. I tried a loop body of asm("")
2017-08-15T01:13:41 < Thorn> how would that help
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2017-08-15T03:21:43 < R0b0t1_> Thorn: Sorry
2017-08-15T03:21:54 < R0b0t1_> Thorn: Reportedly it keeps the optimizer from removing the busy loop
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2017-08-15T03:27:46 < R0b0t1_> Why? Well, I admit it doesn't make much sense either
2017-08-15T03:28:25 < R0b0t1_> I tried to understand GCC but a simple minded person such as myself most likely can not do it
2017-08-15T03:29:31 < dongs> off to keil you go
2017-08-15T03:31:07 < Thorn> at least try asm("nop") (but the standard way is to declare the loop variable volatile)
2017-08-15T03:32:08 < dongs> surely the standard way is simply not writing shit code?
2017-08-15T03:32:15 < dongs> i.e. using a timer or systick for delay counting
2017-08-15T03:32:21 < dongs> or cyccnt etc.
2017-08-15T03:33:27 < R0b0t1_> Thorn: A volatile declaration forces loads and stores, though
2017-08-15T03:33:47 < R0b0t1_> dongs, there's a point before I get systick working
2017-08-15T03:33:54 < R0b0t1_> As mentioned, I am not a smart person
2017-08-15T03:33:59 < R0b0t1_> I do thank you for mentioning better ways
2017-08-15T03:34:03 < R0b0t1_> I likely wouldn't have come across them
2017-08-15T03:34:46 < R0b0t1_> I'm not really smart enough to make the most of open source but I do try to keep trying. Sometimes a kind soul will help me accomplish what it is I am trying to do.
2017-08-15T03:35:15 < dongs> amp!six might be able to help
2017-08-15T03:35:22 < dongs> you'll both be poking in the dark and achieving nothing
2017-08-15T03:35:26 < R0b0t1_> That is why I like the Gentoo developers so much, they are very nice people and put up with my bug reports
2017-08-15T03:35:48 < R0b0t1_> I hope I do end up achieving something dongs
2017-08-15T03:35:54 < R0b0t1_> I did get the LED to blink!
2017-08-15T03:35:57 < R0b0t1_> That made me very happy today.
2017-08-15T03:36:04 < dongs> nice
2017-08-15T03:36:31 < R0b0t1_> Unfortunately crossdev seems to have problems with nommu/noOS targets and I am unable to get to stage 4 (C++ compiler).
2017-08-15T03:36:41 < Thorn> yes it does force loads and stores, so what. are you worried about the bus being busy? is there some dma in the background?
2017-08-15T03:36:42 < R0b0t1_> The stage 1 compiler it produces does not give me working code
2017-08-15T03:38:49 < R0b0t1_> Thorn: I suppose you have a point
2017-08-15T03:39:08 < R0b0t1_> Even if I want to do it the right way, to get cycle level timing, I'd need to write assembly anyway
2017-08-15T03:41:39 < R0b0t1_> I apologize for being slow to understand and realize I am easy to mock but I do not mean to waste anyone's time. Thank you for the help so far.
2017-08-15T03:50:28 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXBxV6-zamM a movie about a true innovator
2017-08-15T03:51:53 < dongs> thorn, did crs happen
2017-08-15T03:52:46 < Thorn> it did, with the best landing footage ever
2017-08-15T03:52:52 < dongs> nice
2017-08-15T03:52:55 < dongs> opening jewtube
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2017-08-15T04:12:13 < dongs> nice landing
2017-08-15T04:21:34 < dongs> my keyboard is missing shift-z again
2017-08-15T04:21:35 < dongs> what teh fuck
2017-08-15T04:21:40 < dongs> am i getting startkeylogger
2017-08-15T04:27:07 < englishman> drink up, dong http://i.imgur.com/pFhxZVm.png
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2017-08-15T05:02:03 < dongs> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3212970/application-development/java-and-c-hit-all-time-lows-in-tiobe-language-popularity-index.html
2017-08-15T05:06:25 < Thorn> no swift and kotlin?
2017-08-15T05:06:45 < dongs> just the fact that you even know those 2 things already make you a flaming homosexual
2017-08-15T05:07:04 < dongs> i accidentally come across some garbage written in "kotlin" on shithub the othr day
2017-08-15T05:07:08 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2017-08-15T05:07:12 < dongs> who comes up with that shit
2017-08-15T05:07:22 < dongs> talk about shit that shouldn't exist
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2017-08-15T05:08:30 < Thorn> l0l it's certainly more mainstream than scala or even swift
2017-08-15T05:09:32 < Thorn> besides google is now pushing it for android development
2017-08-15T05:12:14 < R0b0t1_> scala is good
2017-08-15T05:12:23 < dongs> all tehse faggot non-languages should jsut die
2017-08-15T05:12:24 < R0b0t1_> It is easy to understand and use even for someone as simple as myself
2017-08-15T05:12:38 < dongs> C is the only true thing
2017-08-15T05:12:42 < Thorn> http://elm-lang.org/examples/quick-sort >>dongs
2017-08-15T05:13:00 < dongs>  ?
2017-08-15T05:13:25 < Thorn> how do you like this one
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2017-08-15T05:13:32 < dongs> its unreadable garbage
2017-08-15T05:13:35 < dongs> what else do you want me to asy
2017-08-15T05:13:36 < dongs> say
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2017-08-15T05:22:51 < Thorn> what about this one https://github.com/RelicPackages/FFEDIT/blob/master/FFEDIT.SQLRPGLE
2017-08-15T05:23:38 < Thorn> the display file is even more fun https://github.com/RelicPackages/FFEDIT/blob/master/MAINSCRN.DSPF
2017-08-15T05:24:08 < Thorn> that language is older than computers btw
2017-08-15T05:30:58 < englishman> https://youtu.be/KEWkt7a87H4?t=1m17s
2017-08-15T05:32:31 < englishman> if you look closely you can see the dozen or so little ones strutting around
2017-08-15T05:40:27 < jadew`> englishman, the word for turkey in romanian is strut :)
2017-08-15T05:41:49 < englishman> 🦃
2017-08-15T05:41:57 < jadew`> hah
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2017-08-15T06:30:00 < R0b0t1_> That is strange
2017-08-15T06:30:05 < R0b0t1_> there's STM32 HAL functions that don't do anything
2017-08-15T06:30:13 < R0b0t1_> HAL_RCC_ClockConfig is one of them
2017-08-15T06:30:21 < R0b0t1_> it ignores its argument and sets the flash controller wait state
2017-08-15T06:30:30 < R0b0t1_> But, that thing is already set before
2017-08-15T06:30:35 < R0b0t1_> in HAL_RCC_OscConfig
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2017-08-15T06:36:45 < dongs> ReadError: how the motehrfuck do I force a particular fucking MAC addr on this fucking shit. fucking afggot shit rebooted this morning and picked new MACs for a bunch of shit that had to have them static and fuck even if I edit VMX it keeps FUCKIGN CHANGING THEM TO SOME NEW SHIT
2017-08-15T06:36:49 < dongs> F U C  K
2017-08-15T06:37:02 < dongs> god damn this is worse than opensores
2017-08-15T06:37:05 < dongs> im switching to hyper-v
2017-08-15T06:37:32 < R0b0t1_> dongs: I have heard smart people talking about fully dynamic configuration
2017-08-15T06:39:53 < R0b0t1_> I am not smart enough to really tell you more about it
2017-08-15T06:58:15 < dongs> what the nigger fuck
2017-08-15T06:58:20 < dongs> why are my google results opening in archive.org
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2017-08-15T07:34:51 < R0b0t1_> How come I can't use __rbit and __clz, but the STM32 headers can?
2017-08-15T07:34:55 < R0b0t1_> I am very, very, very confused
2017-08-15T07:35:38 < R0b0t1_> undefined reference to __rbit and __clz
2017-08-15T07:35:44 < R0b0t1_> which seems to imply the processor may not support it
2017-08-15T07:35:49 < R0b0t1_> but then why do the included headers use it?
2017-08-15T07:35:56 < R0b0t1_> Why do they not generate errors?
2017-08-15T07:37:47 < R0b0t1_> I think the STM32 libraries do not work properly
2017-08-15T07:37:55 < R0b0t1_> Now I am very worried
2017-08-15T07:38:13 < R0b0t1_> I replced the call to HAL_RCC_GetHCLKFreq with the assumed clock rate and my LED blinks much more slowly
2017-08-15T07:39:45 < R0b0t1_> Yep it looks like the clock never changes away from 4MHz
2017-08-15T07:40:28  * R0b0t1_ cries
2017-08-15T07:40:40 < R0b0t1_> I'm too busy troubleshooting the library that is supposed to work to actually write any code
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2017-08-15T07:51:05 < Thorn> any experienced electronics engineers in here? what to do with a bent pin https://youtu.be/3lqNJMMH5sU?t=14m9s
2017-08-15T07:51:52 < Thorn> if you're not supposed to just unbend it
2017-08-15T07:52:19 < Ultrasauce> straighten it with experience
2017-08-15T07:53:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/engineering/disassemble-large-automated-instrument/
2017-08-15T07:54:30 < Thorn> what's in the photos, a Korean ICBM?
2017-08-15T07:56:38 < dongs> it almost looks like a dicknplace machine of some kind
2017-08-15T07:57:01 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/vFGhI quality is fucking awful
2017-08-15T07:57:14 < dongs> or some kinda CNC?
2017-08-15T07:58:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/electronics/satellite-making/ ahahahahahahahaha
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2017-08-15T07:59:07 < dongs> 3000 Indian Rupee equals
2017-08-15T07:59:07 < dongs> 46.835 US Dollar
2017-08-15T08:31:36 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1_: are you using the st shit library? Why not libopencm3?
2017-08-15T08:32:11  * R0b0t1_ twitches feebly
2017-08-15T08:32:24 < R0b0t1_> My device is not supported, sir
2017-08-15T08:32:43 < R0b0t1_> I have an STM32L432KC. I think I made the mistake of buying something too new.
2017-08-15T08:32:45 < PaulFertser> Oh, that. Well...
2017-08-15T08:33:09 < R0b0t1_> I may need to buy an older device. But, I wasn't aware of such compatibility things when I first purchased this board.
2017-08-15T08:33:36 < R0b0t1_> Hopefully I could start adding support for STM32L4 devices
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2017-08-15T08:35:50 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1_: when programming for STM32 you need too cross-check the chosen library sources with datasheet anyway. So st hal is usable too, if you dig it a bit.
2017-08-15T08:36:38 < R0b0t1_> Yes, and that kind of bothers me, that most of the HAL I must look at anyway when I could just use the registers myself
2017-08-15T08:36:51 < R0b0t1_> but then there is some rarely referenced piece of hardware whose initialization they have hidden
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2017-08-15T09:00:57 < Steffanx> Thorn: crt is our professional pin unbender
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2017-08-15T09:29:09 < zyp> nice
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2017-08-15T10:01:10 < ohsix> boop
2017-08-15T10:08:33 < Steffanx> Crt: so i was busy coding and suddenly i had to think about you
2017-08-15T10:09:00 < Steffanx> "You gotta pump it up" is on the radio
2017-08-15T10:10:32 < ohsix> pump up the jam
2017-08-15T10:10:40 < ohsix> there are a lot of good pumping songs
2017-08-15T10:11:30 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EcjWd-O4jI
2017-08-15T10:11:40 < Steffanx> It wasnt a joke. It was the real story
2017-08-15T10:20:07 < Steffanx> [what i just said]
2017-08-15T10:26:22 < ohsix> nice one
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2017-08-15T12:51:18 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Tqw0zT9
2017-08-15T12:52:14 < stvn> sicp
2017-08-15T12:53:06 < stvn> https://www.investorvillage.com/uploads/8806/images/44c9e1b4e3d7356d2129abad8460ed133220d3b5.jpg
2017-08-15T12:54:57 < stvn> drug location
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2017-08-15T13:11:15 < dongs> lul
2017-08-15T13:11:22 < dongs> my DHL epacket is in "kwailabesi airport"
2017-08-15T13:11:36 < dongs> which is apparently some shit island northeast of australia
2017-08-15T13:12:50 < zyp> haha
2017-08-15T13:13:11 < dongs> ARRIVAL AT DESTINATION COUNTRY – TRACKING UPDATES MAY END HERE, DELIVERY SHORTLY
2017-08-15T13:13:14 < dongs> Aug-13-17, 15:38 PM, KwailabesiAirport Kwailabesi Airport
2017-08-15T13:13:34 < zyp> so, is this shit you sent?
2017-08-15T13:13:41 < dongs> this is the 10gbe cable
2017-08-15T13:13:42 < dongs> from NY
2017-08-15T13:13:42 < zyp> or are they going to swim over to you with it?
2017-08-15T13:13:44 < zyp> haha
2017-08-15T13:13:59 < zyp> maybe you should have bought from fs after all :p
2017-08-15T13:15:02 < dongs> haha
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2017-08-15T13:17:29 < zyp> I'm a bit tempted to buy a 1km roll of fiber, just so I have it in case I ever need a temporary link somewhere
2017-08-15T13:17:36 < zyp> mostly because that shit is so cheap
2017-08-15T13:17:59 < dongs> haha
2017-08-15T13:18:00 < zyp> then it turned out that it costs more in shipping than the roll itself costs
2017-08-15T13:19:38 < Steffanx> Heh.
2017-08-15T13:19:54 < dongs> just for those times when you NEED 1km of fiber
2017-08-15T13:20:01 < zyp> MOQ
2017-08-15T13:20:02 < Steffanx> What does it cost wirhou shipping?
2017-08-15T13:20:03 < dongs> oh
2017-08-15T13:20:07 < Steffanx> Without
2017-08-15T13:20:13 < dongs> does it come in outdoor packaging or something?
2017-08-15T13:20:40 < dongs> or is that the thin black stuff thats really fragile
2017-08-15T13:20:43 < zyp> http://www.fs.com/c/self-supporting-flat-drop-cable-1265 <- this shit, reinforced so you can hang it
2017-08-15T13:20:43 < dongs> that you have to coil and cant bend etc
2017-08-15T13:20:53 < dongs> oh, very nice
2017-08-15T13:21:09 < zyp> $200 for a km
2017-08-15T13:21:28 < zyp> or $220 for duplex
2017-08-15T13:21:56 < zyp> but simplex sounds easier to terminate and BX/BR transceivers are not so expensive
2017-08-15T13:23:04 < dongs> hm
2017-08-15T13:23:12 < dongs> dhl globalmail tracking actually says its coming to japan
2017-08-15T13:23:24 < dongs> Dear valued Customer, We are currently experiencing tracking event issues. You may notice an “arrival in destination country scan” which shows US as the destination country. This is not correct and we are working to correct this technical issue. Please be assured your package is enroute to your location and will be delivered soon. Thank you, Your DHL eCommerce Team
2017-08-15T13:23:30 < dongs> haha
2017-08-15T13:23:42 < dongs> how the fuck do you screw something like this up
2017-08-15T13:23:43 < zyp> haha
2017-08-15T13:23:57 < zyp> db entry mixup?
2017-08-15T13:24:23 < dongs> donno
2017-08-15T13:24:25 < dongs> i should check my mailbox
2017-08-15T13:24:33 < dongs> maybe kwahili airport actually means: shithole, jp
2017-08-15T13:26:20 < zyp> hmm, the RTI periph in TI RM4 is pretty great
2017-08-15T13:26:30 < zyp> this is what cortex-m core systick should have been
2017-08-15T13:26:42 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/7sAUKlG.jpg
2017-08-15T13:27:29 < zyp> there's two 32-bit freerunning counters with prescalers
2017-08-15T13:27:41 < dongs> upgrdman: ?
2017-08-15T13:27:50 < zyp> and then there's four compare channels that can compare against either of the counters
2017-08-15T13:28:07 < upgrdman> dongs, look toward his dong region
2017-08-15T13:28:18 < zyp> and each of the compare channels have an update register that gets added to the compare register on every compare match
2017-08-15T13:28:36 < dongs> upgrdman: only you would notice this
2017-08-15T13:28:44 < dongs> zyp, is that for making rtos scheduling nice
2017-08-15T13:29:18 < dongs> so you can schedule now+next task or wahjtever
2017-08-15T13:29:57 < zyp> yeah, if you set the update to +0 you can set the next deadline manually
2017-08-15T13:30:19 < zyp> if you set the update to 1000 you get an interrupt every 1000 ticks
2017-08-15T13:30:59 < zyp> the freertos port grabs the first channel and configures that for its systick
2017-08-15T13:31:33 < zyp> and I'll be using one of the other channels to sync stuff that needs better precision than the OS tick
2017-08-15T13:32:10 < upgrdman> i thought astronauts were sipposed to be smart   http://i.imgur.com/PnfYNp4.gifv
2017-08-15T13:32:53 < zyp> you can also do multiple ticks of the same freq but offset in phase
2017-08-15T13:33:31 < zyp> one counter to 0us and +1000, other counter to 500us +1000
2017-08-15T13:33:32 < dongs> space sounds pretty fucking awesome
2017-08-15T13:33:47 < zyp> then the first will tick at 0, 1000, 2000, and the other will tick at 500, 1500, 2500
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2017-08-15T14:37:13 < Laurenceb> upgrdman: fratboy in space?
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2017-08-15T14:37:42 < zyp> hmm, the task cpu stats I added are nice
2017-08-15T14:38:14 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/c9/16/f2/79/ca/31/47/89/DM00096789.pdf/files/DM00096789.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00096789.pdf
2017-08-15T14:38:17 < zyp> wrapped some application code in a task now, that's gonna run at 5kHz
2017-08-15T14:38:26 < Laurenceb> > Pedometers
2017-08-15T14:38:38 < zyp> the task stats says it's consuming 1.0% cpu
2017-08-15T14:39:00 < dongs> why the fuck do ST site urls look so fucking gross in 2017
2017-08-15T14:39:15 < zyp> OS tick is only 1kHz, but I have a separate RTI interrupt waking this task at 5kHz
2017-08-15T14:39:17 < dongs> theyt need to figure out how to compute
2017-08-15T14:39:34 < zyp> I was worried that it'd be awful with the scheduling overhead and whatnot
2017-08-15T14:39:52 < zyp> so I'm pretty happy to see this thing sitting at 99% idle
2017-08-15T14:40:54 < Laurenceb> Chris Hanson approves
2017-08-15T14:41:28 < Laurenceb> lul /pol/ is discussing going pro Hillary
2017-08-15T14:41:55 < Laurenceb> never saw this one coming
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2017-08-15T14:51:39 < upgrdman> usb pros: what is the reason for multiple endpoints? i mean i understnad the control ep (ep0) but why have more than 1 general purpose ep? is it just do the device can behave like multiple things (e.g. a usb hdd AND a usb keyboard, etc.)
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2017-08-15T14:52:23 < dongs> upgrdman: absolutely, yes
2017-08-15T14:52:35 < dongs> also one each for rx/tx for example
2017-08-15T14:52:36 < karlp> no, that's for different configurations.
2017-08-15T14:52:49 < karlp> different eps within a config/interface is for different streams of data per se
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2017-08-15T14:53:19 < upgrdman> well one for rx one for tx makes sense. but more than that... why?
2017-08-15T14:53:34 < Laurenceb> http://grrrgraphics.com/uploads/7/4/7/3/74734153/mccain-tumor-removal_2_orig.jpg
2017-08-15T14:53:37 < Laurenceb> wew
2017-08-15T14:53:43 < karlp> how do you think a 4 port usb serial port should look upgrdman ?
2017-08-15T14:53:48 < upgrdman> like why use usb protocol to separate data past control/data in/data out
2017-08-15T14:54:05 < dongs> Laurenceb: where do you even find this shit
2017-08-15T14:54:08 < dongs> looks so boring
2017-08-15T14:54:09 < Laurenceb> 4chan
2017-08-15T14:54:16 < karlp> so you can use usb framing instead of having to put your own framing inside your application data pipes?
2017-08-15T14:54:17 < dongs> like who teh fuck are tehse people
2017-08-15T14:54:20 < upgrdman> karlp, oh. so hubs are one device with a control ep, and then ep's for each of their devices?
2017-08-15T14:54:40 < zyp> upgrdman, not as far as I remember
2017-08-15T14:54:41 < karlp> hubs are different again, I was just talking about an actual usb to 4 port serial adapter.
2017-08-15T14:54:54 < upgrdman> oh oh ok
2017-08-15T14:55:20 < karlp> but even a usb private dongle with say 2 sensor channels
2017-08-15T14:55:29 < upgrdman> so past control/data in/data out, additional ep's would just be for convenience? not necessary?
2017-08-15T14:55:39 < zyp> depends on the class
2017-08-15T14:55:41 < karlp> you could use an endpoitn each instead of having to have header data in your single endpoint to say which sensor it's from
2017-08-15T14:56:01 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-15T14:56:34 < upgrdman> are all non-control ep's unidirectional?
2017-08-15T14:56:38 < zyp> yes
2017-08-15T14:56:55 < upgrdman> and the control ep is always ep0?
2017-08-15T14:57:02 < dongs> it is
2017-08-15T14:57:03 < zyp> yes
2017-08-15T14:57:08 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-15T14:57:11 < dongs> its also limited to 64bytes or whatever
2017-08-15T14:57:22 < dongs> and can do bidirectional? transfers. while others are fixed at configuration time
2017-08-15T14:57:27 < dongs> zyp would probly correct me :p
2017-08-15T14:57:37 < zyp> there's some theoretical possibility for adding more control eps, but I've never seen anyone do that, and I'm not sure it's strictly legal either
2017-08-15T14:57:53 < upgrdman> are packets on each ep fixed size?
2017-08-15T14:58:03 < zyp> the control ep can be viewed as a bidirectional pair of IN 0 and OUT 0
2017-08-15T14:58:08 < zyp> depends on the type
2017-08-15T14:58:35 < zyp> each endpoint has a fixed MPS, similar to the MTU in networking
2017-08-15T14:58:44 < upgrdman> mps==?
2017-08-15T14:58:46 < zyp> but it's legal to send smaller packages
2017-08-15T14:58:50 < zyp> max packet size
2017-08-15T14:59:21 < zyp> the MPS is set in the endpoint descriptor, but the standard imposes some constraints on what are valid values
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2017-08-15T15:00:52 < upgrdman> iirc usb posts the device every 1ms, right? if theres lot of data, multiple packets will occur each 1ms, right? or is it max 1 packat per 1ms?
2017-08-15T15:00:52 < zyp> endpoints are grouped up in interfaces, interfaces are grouped up in functions and one device might have multiple functions
2017-08-15T15:00:58 < upgrdman> s/posts/polls
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2017-08-15T15:01:26 < zyp> poll rate depends on the bus speed, FS is 1ms
2017-08-15T15:01:45 < zyp> packets per frame depends on endpoint type
2017-08-15T15:02:36 < upgrdman> for example, cdc vcom. if ep size is 64bytes, and its usb fs, can i transfer > 64000bytes/sec?
2017-08-15T15:02:43 < zyp> interrupt endpoints are polled every n frames (where n can be 1), isochronous endpoints are polled every frame, bulk endpoints are polled whenever there's free capacity on the bus
2017-08-15T15:02:49 < zyp> yes
2017-08-15T15:02:55 < zyp> CDC ACM is based on bulk
2017-08-15T15:03:28 < upgrdman> frame = that 1ms polling for usb fs?
2017-08-15T15:03:31 < zyp> yes
2017-08-15T15:04:11 < upgrdman> if bus is ~always idle, bulk is polled at the frame rate? or faster?
2017-08-15T15:04:58 < zyp> faster
2017-08-15T15:05:07 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-15T15:05:46 < upgrdman> and the host initiates ALL communication right? the device cant async'ly interrupt the host?
2017-08-15T15:05:59 < zyp> correct
2017-08-15T15:06:38 < upgrdman> sorry for all the noob question
2017-08-15T15:06:52 < dongs> isnt ISO differnt?
2017-08-15T15:06:56 < zyp> but all scheduling is done by hardware, so it's not a big deal
2017-08-15T15:07:05 < dongs> i thought in iso mode device sends
2017-08-15T15:07:08 < dongs> wihoout asking
2017-08-15T15:07:11 < zyp> no, still polled
2017-08-15T15:07:14 < upgrdman> as for packet ack/nack/stall. nack is used to indicate errors only? and stall indicates the device cant keep up only?
2017-08-15T15:07:15 < dongs> hm ok
2017-08-15T15:07:26 < zyp> upgrdman, no, opposite way around
2017-08-15T15:07:40 < zyp> NAK means "try again later", STALL signals error
2017-08-15T15:07:52 < upgrdman> ahh thx
2017-08-15T15:08:15 < upgrdman> what does a pc do when it gets a stall? de-enum the device and give up?
2017-08-15T15:08:31 < zyp> no
2017-08-15T15:08:52 < zyp> depends on what, really
2017-08-15T15:09:26 < zyp> if you keep stalling one of the essential commands during enumeration, that will happen
2017-08-15T15:09:31 < upgrdman> i guess cdc vcom. would it just try to resend the frame?
2017-08-15T15:10:11 < zyp> I don't think CDC ACM specifies any error handling that involves STALL
2017-08-15T15:10:32 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-15T15:10:35 < zyp> remember that ACM is mostly based on bulk transfers
2017-08-15T15:10:52 < Laurenceb> usb sounds way too complex
2017-08-15T15:11:01 < dongs> need zyplib for USB
2017-08-15T15:11:04 < Laurenceb> muh usb audio stuff is going to be "fun"
2017-08-15T15:11:07 < zyp> STALL is mostly used on control requests
2017-08-15T15:11:11 < dongs> Laurenceb: better just purcahse keil
2017-08-15T15:11:17 < dongs> it has Usb audio class
2017-08-15T15:11:18 < Laurenceb> damn this is accurate http://imgur.com/DmRj3zS
2017-08-15T15:11:19 < dongs> click click, done
2017-08-15T15:11:26 < qyx> stall man
2017-08-15T15:11:28 < Laurenceb> no moneys for kiel
2017-08-15T15:11:31 < zyp> Laurenceb, idk, there's layers and layers of stuff
2017-08-15T15:11:58 < Laurenceb> I think I will try chibios, they have example config files i can prob edit
2017-08-15T15:12:17 < zyp> low layer usb is simple as fuck, then there's a whole set of standard control requests, but they are mostly simple as fuck too
2017-08-15T15:12:44 < zyp> and then there's classes that builds on all the building blocks that the low layers provide
2017-08-15T15:12:59 < zyp> of which some are more complex than others
2017-08-15T15:13:56 < zyp> while other classes are simply a pipe and descriptors that tells you what to treat the data as
2017-08-15T15:14:21 < zyp> CDC ACM is mostly the latter
2017-08-15T15:14:24 < upgrdman> ya i got f4 cdc vcom working, so i thought i'd read through the usb lib code and try to understnad it :) so much pain, but making progress.
2017-08-15T15:15:03 < Laurenceb> heh thats liek 5 seconds work upgrdman
2017-08-15T15:15:10 < Laurenceb> even i can make cdc acm work
2017-08-15T15:15:33 < upgrdman> lots of shit code tho. remind me of china code. like if(foo){if(bar){...}} instead of just if(foo && bar){} etc.
2017-08-15T15:15:34 < Laurenceb> audio class host with hub support not so easy
2017-08-15T15:16:15 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, your horsey telemetry needs usb audio now?
2017-08-15T15:16:29 < Laurenceb> nah this is another project
2017-08-15T15:16:38 < Laurenceb> no more money for horsey telemetry
2017-08-15T15:16:58 < Laurenceb> I'm making a vehicle vibration monitor with shit tons of sensors connected via usb hubs
2017-08-15T15:17:10 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/VICE/status/897218912663859200 <-tendies
2017-08-15T15:18:09 < qyx> sounds like a way to fail
2017-08-15T15:18:21 < Laurenceb> qyx: how so?
2017-08-15T15:18:32 < qyx> you should have used flexray
2017-08-15T15:18:56 < Laurenceb> lul really?
2017-08-15T15:19:15 < qyx> of korz, much awesome
2017-08-15T15:19:36 < Laurenceb> can it use stm32 can transceivers?
2017-08-15T15:19:40 < Laurenceb> I'm guessing no
2017-08-15T15:19:57 < qyx> idk, just trolling
2017-08-15T15:19:59 < Laurenceb> then its dead in the water :P
2017-08-15T15:20:02 < Laurenceb> ah
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2017-08-15T15:35:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0e5eu8V.png is that a zener to limit ADC voltage?
2017-08-15T15:37:37 < jadew`> doesn't look like a zenner
2017-08-15T15:37:43 < zyp> either that or a normal one to just prevent negative voltages
2017-08-15T15:37:45 < jadew`> it's probably there to clamp the voltage
2017-08-15T15:37:47 < jadew`> yeah
2017-08-15T15:37:55 < zyp> but a zener would do both
2017-08-15T15:38:37 < zyp> but I halfway bet people were just too lazy to make a zener symbol or something :p
2017-08-15T15:38:38 < dongs> to ground like that for negative voltages?
2017-08-15T15:38:59 < dongs> well, i drew that, its actually on a pcb but i cant read the part#
2017-08-15T15:39:20 < dongs> i mean the general circuit is that
2017-08-15T15:39:21 < zyp> so you have a diode on a pcb, and are wondering if it's a zener
2017-08-15T15:39:22 < jadew`> either way, it's there for clamping for sure
2017-08-15T15:39:30 < zyp> yeah
2017-08-15T15:39:44 < zyp> zener would do both positive and negative clamping
2017-08-15T15:39:53 < dongs> hm it does say O5 or Q5 on it
2017-08-15T15:39:56 < dongs> and its a 5V system
2017-08-15T15:39:59 < karlp> but it's going to clamp negative to gnd-diodedrop,
2017-08-15T15:40:01 < dongs> so sounds liek a 5V zener ya?
2017-08-15T15:40:08 < karlp> so hope that's still within the region allowed by your adc
2017-08-15T15:40:21 < zyp> isn't Q usually transistors?
2017-08-15T15:40:25 < jadew`> dongs, take it out and measure it
2017-08-15T15:40:27 < dongs> no i mean part marking
2017-08-15T15:40:39 < dongs> silk is china trash
2017-08-15T15:40:44 < dongs> i cant even read the refdes
2017-08-15T15:40:48 < dongs> its fuzzy as fuck
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2017-08-15T15:43:17 < jadew`> there was a that's what she said opportunity, but everyone missed it
2017-08-15T15:43:44 < zyp> haha
2017-08-15T15:43:54 < dongs> wat
2017-08-15T15:44:32 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-08-15T15:44:36 < dongs> the resistor divider on this
2017-08-15T15:44:40 < dongs> is 2.7k/2.7k
2017-08-15T15:44:47 < dongs> even with input of 12V its already > 5V
2017-08-15T15:45:01 < jadew`> so maybe it is a zenner
2017-08-15T15:45:08 < dongs> yeah it has to be at this point
2017-08-15T15:45:23 < dongs> but i wonder why they would make a divider if the inputs are already known to be 12-24V
2017-08-15T15:45:26 < dongs> fucking idiots
2017-08-15T15:45:30 < dongs> i mean make a shitty divider
2017-08-15T15:45:59 < zyp> to confuse cloners
2017-08-15T15:46:34 < jadew`> maybe that's what they needed for the LPF?
2017-08-15T15:47:12 < dongs> why
2017-08-15T15:47:20 < dongs> zyp, psh
2017-08-15T15:47:29 < jadew`> although, 2.7k and 2.7k doesn't really seem like the result of a lot of math
2017-08-15T15:47:35 < dongs> right
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2017-08-15T15:49:12 < jadew`> they had to add imput protection anyway
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2017-08-15T15:51:32 < Laurenceb> https://www.amostech.com/TechnicalPapers/2015/Optical_Systems/Duncan.pdf
2017-08-15T15:54:56 < qyx> surprisingly round number that 2K7
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2017-08-15T16:09:38 < qwert_> I am trying to attach a SAM4N8B to my computer, but in atmel studio I keep getting: Could not activate interface, but found DAP with ID 0x4ba00477..
2017-08-15T16:09:57 < dongs> > faggotmel studio
2017-08-15T16:09:58 < dongs> found the problem
2017-08-15T16:10:01 < qwert_> Does anyone know how I can fix this? The chip is on a custom board. I am using the ATMEL ICE
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2017-08-15T16:10:20 < dongs> you're like the second atmel ice guy in here in a week
2017-08-15T16:10:22 < dongs> who keeps sendin them ehre? :)
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2017-08-15T16:10:27 < dongs> we're not atmel / microchip free tech support
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2017-08-15T16:10:32 < qwert_> Where should I go?
2017-08-15T16:11:07 < dongs> try using SWD instead of jtag?
2017-08-15T16:11:08 < karlp> use chips we like here in this channel (check the name) or call up your microchip FAE ;)
2017-08-15T16:11:11 < zyp> turn down the swd speed
2017-08-15T16:11:28 < qwert_> Tried, then I get this one: Could not activate interface, but found DAP with ID 0x2ba01477..
2017-08-15T16:11:41 < karlp> that's just the same id for the swd interface
2017-08-15T16:11:51 < karlp> could not activate inteface is pretty special
2017-08-15T16:11:53 < dongs> that 0x2ba01477 sounds like some cortex-m
2017-08-15T16:11:55 < qwert_> Settings the SWD speed to 32kHz returns the same result
2017-08-15T16:12:17 < dongs> so the chip is certainly working
2017-08-15T16:12:18 < qwert_> The chip is based on cortex m4
2017-08-15T16:12:48 < qwert_> It says the device is in deep sleep or the security bit is set and that I should erase it. But I've done that 20 times now
2017-08-15T16:15:58 < qyx> and how's your reset?
2017-08-15T16:16:10 < qwert_> Sorry, what do you mean
2017-08-15T16:16:14 < qwert_> ?
2017-08-15T16:16:24 < qwert_> Just pulling reset low you mean?
2017-08-15T16:16:41 < dongs> you can try to conect under reset, and release it once its connected
2017-08-15T16:16:46 < dongs> or once it starts to try
2017-08-15T16:17:03 < qwert_> I'll try
2017-08-15T16:17:53 < qwert_> If I have reset pulled low it returns the same error
2017-08-15T16:18:22 < qwert_> But I'll contact someone from microchip then
2017-08-15T16:18:25 < qwert_> Thanks for helping out :)
2017-08-15T16:18:32 < jpa-> qwert_: what does it say if you disconnect the target?
2017-08-15T16:19:30 < qwert_> jpa-: No device detected
2017-08-15T16:19:42 < jpa-> ok, so it is atleast half-working :P
2017-08-15T16:19:54 < qwert_> Yeah, I guess
2017-08-15T16:19:58 < qwert_> Now the other half >.<
2017-08-15T16:20:09 < jpa-> atleast STM32 doesn't respond anything when in deep sleep, so it sounds more like your software doesn't support the chip you are using
2017-08-15T16:20:38 < qwert_> I had a development board using this chip and I could program it correctly using this setup
2017-08-15T16:21:01 < jpa-> can you still? ie. make sure no software config has accidentally changed or something
2017-08-15T16:21:37 < qwert_> Ehm, let me see
2017-08-15T16:21:43 < jpa-> though the ID changing with the clock speed could indicate some signal integrity problems
2017-08-15T16:21:59 < qwert_> The ID change was from JTAG to SWD
2017-08-15T16:22:04 < qwert_> Clock speed doesn't seem to affect it
2017-08-15T16:22:09 < jpa-> ah
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2017-08-15T16:24:06 < R0b0t1`> qwert_: If you are using an open source tool to reset IP protection on the chip it may not be working
2017-08-15T16:24:16 < R0b0t1`> You may need to use the manufacturer's tool (e.g. STLink)
2017-08-15T16:24:41 < qyx> atmel-link
2017-08-15T16:25:00 < jpa-> R0b0t1`: he is using atmel studio
2017-08-15T16:25:44 < R0b0t1`> Well, it still applies, though I would expect them to have better support
2017-08-15T16:25:56 < dongs> http://www.anandtech.com/show/11720/more-denverton-noise-gigabytes-ma10st0-features-unannounced-16core-c3958
2017-08-15T16:26:20 < qyx> speaking of atmel, anyone knows/used a mmu capable cpu module, something like core-9x25 or core-a20 from armdevs?
2017-08-15T16:27:03 < R0b0t1`> If you find one qyx let me know
2017-08-15T16:27:18 < R0b0t1`> I was thinking of using the line used in BeagleBones
2017-08-15T16:28:03 < qyx> I should find one soon otherwise I will start considering intel edison
2017-08-15T16:29:07 < qwert_> Reading the old one works
2017-08-15T16:29:24 < qwert_> The development board
2017-08-15T16:29:40 < Laurenceb>  >Beaglebone
2017-08-15T16:29:51 < Laurenceb> how to fail even worse than Rpi
2017-08-15T16:30:06 < jpa-> qwert_: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36855003/atmel-sam4s8b-unable-to-enter-programming-mode   seems like same problem
2017-08-15T16:30:38 < qwert_> Yeah exactly. I found a few threads with the same problem, but no solution
2017-08-15T16:30:53 < jpa-> "This error only seems to occur on my machine. It works on my colleagues"   so try another computer?
2017-08-15T16:30:56 < qwert_> Just one where someone references a solution on another thread, but then the link to the thread doens't work -_-
2017-08-15T16:31:56 < qwert_> Uhm, I don't have another computer nearby which I can use
2017-08-15T16:33:02 < qwert_> I'll try restarting and see ifthat helps
2017-08-15T16:33:04 < qwert_> See you in a bit
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2017-08-15T16:37:06 < qwert__> Same error after restart
2017-08-15T16:37:23 < qwert__> The error that the guy in the stackoverflow post had was not the same, he just occasionaly had this one
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2017-08-15T16:48:28 < qwert_> jpa-: I found the guy who had exactly the same problem. On the bottom of this thread jrb114 references another thread, but the link won't work for me. Can you see what it should be? http://www.at91.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23798
2017-08-15T16:48:35 < Laurenceb> Amerifat here, and I have a question? How the in the fuck do any of you tolerate drinking tea?
2017-08-15T16:48:35 < Laurenceb> I'm having tea for the first time in forever and it tastes like mud-water. Plus why do hate people who heat the water in the microwave like where the fuck else am I supposed to do it?
2017-08-15T16:49:49 < jadew`> Laurenceb, browsing the tea drinking forum?
2017-08-15T16:50:02 < Laurenceb> the copypasta forum
2017-08-15T16:51:00 < karlp> qwert_: I'd go back and compare your schematic to the one of the dev board that works.
2017-08-15T16:52:08 < karlp> try this link instead: http://www.at91.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25218&p=47855.html#p47855
2017-08-15T16:52:31 < karlp> (they're phpbb install is busted)
2017-08-15T16:52:45 < qwert_> phpbb?
2017-08-15T16:53:06 < qwert_> I saw that topic, but their issue is the resonator.
2017-08-15T16:53:17 < karlp> well, that's the link that you said "didn't work"
2017-08-15T16:53:21 < jpa-> yeah, that is where the link leads
2017-08-15T16:53:25 < qwert_> Oh okay
2017-08-15T16:53:40 < qwert_> I have an external crystal at 12MHz
2017-08-15T16:53:40 < jpa-> are you sure your crystal on the target PCB is working?
2017-08-15T16:53:59 < qwert_> No, not 100%. I'll go attach an oscilloscope
2017-08-15T16:54:25 < jpa-> it'll be quite difficult to determine :P
2017-08-15T16:57:18 < karlp> might just be as simple as, " oh yeah, I made my footprint backwards"
2017-08-15T16:57:30 < qwert_> Yeah, The only signal I can clearly see is an 80Mhz frequency
2017-08-15T16:57:54 < qwert_> Pretty sure I did not do that, I copied most of the schematic from the development board
2017-08-15T16:58:16 < karlp> be more sure :)
2017-08-15T16:58:28 < englishman> i got a sam3x project
2017-08-15T16:58:38 < englishman> its cortex but theres no SWD?
2017-08-15T16:58:43 < englishman> didnt look into it yet
2017-08-15T16:59:14 < karlp> no jtag I hope you mean
2017-08-15T17:00:17 < qwert_> I resoldered the crystal, but not difference so far
2017-08-15T17:00:37 < englishman> well atmel site is down apparently
2017-08-15T17:01:26 < englishman> the fun begins
2017-08-15T17:03:04 < qwert_> Yay
2017-08-15T17:03:34 < PaulFertser> I wonder what would openocd say about that part you've got qwert_
2017-08-15T17:03:44 < R0b0t1`> Should be no way for a 12MHz crystal to be 80MHz
2017-08-15T17:03:59 < qwert_> PaulFertser: What is openocd?
2017-08-15T17:04:01 < PaulFertser> Probably it's clocked internally on startup anyway, like stm32.
2017-08-15T17:04:10 < Laurenceb> damn this is good
2017-08-15T17:04:11 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/76/27/cf/88/c5/03/42/6b/DM00218116.pdf/files/DM00218116.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00218116.pdf
2017-08-15T17:04:20 < karlp> PaulFertser: curious for you perhaps, but atmel studio itself with atmel-ice "should" just work
2017-08-15T17:04:23 < PaulFertser> And btw, stm32 behaves pretty strange too when e.g. Vdda is not properly powered.
2017-08-15T17:04:24 < Laurenceb> crazy low noise and temperature drift
2017-08-15T17:04:26 < qwert_> R0b0t1`L I just tried to see it on the oscilloscope, but it wasn't visible
2017-08-15T17:04:54 < qwert_> But usually a crystal is like 10mV right?
2017-08-15T17:05:05 < PaulFertser> karlp: well, if it works, why doesn't it tell what exactly it's unable to do? With openocd one can pinpoint the issue more precisely than just "ID read but it doesn't work".
2017-08-15T17:05:26 < qwert_> PaulFertser: Do I need any additional hardware for openocd?
2017-08-15T17:05:43 < PaulFertser> qwert_: if you already have a cmsis-dap adapter or some other common swd debug hardware, no.
2017-08-15T17:06:00 < qwert_> PaulFertser: Would the Atmel ICE do?
2017-08-15T17:06:32 < PaulFertser> qwert_: I know "Atmel EDBG" works, not sure about that ICE thing, I'd expect it to support CMSIS-DAP, yes.
2017-08-15T17:06:44 < PaulFertser> (if it works with modern cortex-m targets)
2017-08-15T17:06:59 < qwert_> yeah, it does do that
2017-08-15T17:07:14 < qwert_> Okay, time to try
2017-08-15T17:08:36 < PaulFertser> openocd -f interface/cmsis-dap.cfg -f target/at91sam4XXX.cfg -d3
2017-08-15T17:09:52 < R0b0t1`> Laurenceb: Doesn't seem too low power
2017-08-15T17:10:02 < R0b0t1`> I've noticed a lot of things are low power even when they're not
2017-08-15T17:10:09 < Laurenceb> R0bot1`: who cares
2017-08-15T17:10:15 < Laurenceb> check out the specs
2017-08-15T17:10:32 < Laurenceb> insane low noise and temperature drift
2017-08-15T17:11:46 < qwert_> can't find interface cmsis-dap.cfg
2017-08-15T17:11:48 < Thorn> >Production variants of the nRF52840 will first be available Q4 2017.
2017-08-15T17:11:50 < qwert_> I'll see if I can add it
2017-08-15T17:12:56 < karlp> "add it" would imply you perhaps have a very old openocd?
2017-08-15T17:13:40 < englishman> laurence, none of these gyros give test conditions for noise
2017-08-15T17:14:24 < qwert_> karlp: I have never worked with openocd before, So just trying to figure out how everything works
2017-08-15T17:14:37 < qwert_> Is there a better way of getting the interface?
2017-08-15T17:14:43 < qwert_> I downloaded openocd v10
2017-08-15T17:15:04 < R0b0t1`> Thorn: The nRF52840 looks very interesting.
2017-08-15T17:19:30 < karlp> are you sure you gave the right command line as PaulFertser suggested? is that the actual error message you got?
2017-08-15T17:19:49 < PaulFertser> qwert_: yes, please paste your whole command line along with the output.
2017-08-15T17:20:18 < PaulFertser> qwert_: to some pastebin, not here
2017-08-15T17:20:30 < qwert_> PaulFertser: I am just gettings errors for now
2017-08-15T17:21:00 < PaulFertser> qwert_: full output might help to diagnose the errors
2017-08-15T17:21:03 < qwert_> https://pastebin.com/c6NcssUz
2017-08-15T17:21:18 < qwert_> I'm probably just running it wrong, it doesn't seem to be made for windows (more linux)
2017-08-15T17:21:35 < PaulFertser> It's fully cross-platform
2017-08-15T17:22:32 < PaulFertser> qwert_: where did you get it from? As a workaround, try running it from the "scripts" directory (where you have interface/ target/ board/ etc subdirs)
2017-08-15T17:22:45 < R0b0t1`> Thorn: Did is just see release? There is a development board: https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/nRF52840-Preview-DK
2017-08-15T17:22:48 < R0b0t1`> I am very tempted
2017-08-15T17:22:50  * R0b0t1` ponders.
2017-08-15T17:23:01 < PaulFertser> This errors looks similar to what R0b0t1` was getting
2017-08-15T17:23:20 < qwert_> From the wrong location. I now got one from http://www.freddiechopin.info/en/download/category/10-openocd-dev
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2017-08-15T17:29:15 < qwert_> Got it to work
2017-08-15T17:29:17 < qwert_> https://pastebin.com/1ukzbW58
2017-08-15T17:29:23 < qwert_> But it still can't detect the device
2017-08-15T17:29:50 < Laurenceb> englishman: in my experience st and invensense specs match well sitting on a lab bench
2017-08-15T17:29:58 < Laurenceb> and with vehicle vibration
2017-08-15T17:30:01 < dongs> invensense doesnt exist anymore
2017-08-15T17:30:15 < dongs> japs scooped them upo
2017-08-15T17:30:59 < qwert_> PaulFertser: Do you know how I can fix that error?
2017-08-15T17:31:31 < englishman> dongs, whats the replacement for mpc-hc now that its abandonware
2017-08-15T17:31:47 < dongs> none :(
2017-08-15T17:31:50 < dongs> windows 10 media player
2017-08-15T17:31:51 < dongs> lolz
2017-08-15T17:31:55 < dongs> it plays mkv/etc.
2017-08-15T17:32:00 < englishman> cool
2017-08-15T17:32:21 < englishman> if it has hotkeys and subtitles, should be fine
2017-08-15T17:32:33 < dongs> hmm good point on subtitles. probly not
2017-08-15T17:33:01 < englishman> ew it has some fucking library shit
2017-08-15T17:33:23 < PaulFertser> qwert_: I'm afraid that means your debug adapter is not compatible
2017-08-15T17:33:35 < englishman> nope, no external subtitles
2017-08-15T17:34:12 < englishman> higher cpu usage than mpc-hc too, but still <25% of vlc
2017-08-15T17:35:01 < PaulFertser> qwert_: or probably it needs firmware update. Or who knows what. Atmel cortex-m adapters I've seen so far were all cmsis-dap.
2017-08-15T17:35:18 < qwert_> PaulFertser: I'll see if I can attach it somehow
2017-08-15T17:36:43 < dongs> it sucks atmel switched to these bullshit customs thigns
2017-08-15T17:36:51 < dongs> i remember a while back their ARM stuff was just rebranded jlink
2017-08-15T17:36:54 < dongs> with device lock
2017-08-15T17:37:00 < dongs> whatever they';re using now is faggot shit, obviosuly
2017-08-15T17:37:14 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-minds_interpretation
2017-08-15T17:37:15 < dongs> er customs = custom
2017-08-15T17:37:22 < Laurenceb> ^someone actually went there
2017-08-15T17:37:40 < PaulFertser> dongs: cmsis-dap is officially pushed by ARM btw
2017-08-15T17:37:56 < dongs> ya but its shit
2017-08-15T17:38:00 < dongs> both of us know this
2017-08-15T17:38:29 < PaulFertser> I agree, it's a shitty protocol.
2017-08-15T17:38:39 < qwert_> Okay, can't seem to get support.
2017-08-15T17:39:06 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/O2BmB :P
2017-08-15T17:39:20 < dongs> vape box?
2017-08-15T17:39:42 < Rob235> heh drawbot box, thats why the fan grill is paint brushes
2017-08-15T17:40:11 < karlp> be nice to see lsusb on that adapter of qwer's to see what's really going on.
2017-08-15T17:42:06 < karlp> vid of 0x0cf2 seems pretty odd
2017-08-15T17:42:59 < aandrew> I've largely avoided all of this by sticking with jlink, although I am curious about the bmp devices
2017-08-15T17:44:14 < qwert_> I got it to work. There was a bad solder joint on the ferrite bead which caused one pin not to get the VDDCORE voltage
2017-08-15T17:44:27 < qwert_> Thank you for helping out!
2017-08-15T17:45:24 < aandrew> PaulFertser: you run into much trouble with CMSIS-DAP and openocd?
2017-08-15T17:45:32 < karlp> http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/3404/ might have helped a little.
2017-08-15T17:45:46 < karlp> heh, you're welcome :)
2017-08-15T17:47:17 < PaulFertser> aandrew: well... I basically reimplemented the driver to drastically improve performance and I can say I do not like it at all. And I know about few gotchas still there in the code.
2017-08-15T17:51:36 < Thorn> R0b0t1`: it's a preview dev kit that has been available since last year iirc. it contains an early buggy revision of the chip, and the chip itself is not available at all
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2017-08-15T18:04:08 < aandrew> but but but, nimblemachines.com says the protocol is simple and well-designed!
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2017-08-15T18:16:40 < dongs> site contains the word "lunix:
2017-08-15T18:16:43 < dongs> instantly disqualified
2017-08-15T18:17:39 < dongs> So, I thought I’d start out with something that found me rather randomly: Unicode. I mean, I’ve known about Unicode for ever, but I’d never delved into it, and all that “wide character” support in Linux, BSD, and OSX just seemed like a lot of hooey. I’m not interested in writing in Japanese on this site, so why should I care?
2017-08-15T18:17:45 < dongs> ahahah
2017-08-15T18:17:47 < dongs> typical LUNIX FAGGOT ATTITUDE
2017-08-15T18:17:50 < dongs> im not gonna write japanese on tyhsi site so fuck unicode
2017-08-15T18:17:59 < dongs> this is why none of hte lunix apps actually work with anything other than US-ASCII
2017-08-15T18:18:21 < dongs> meanwhile: NT3.51 natively supported unicode since what, pre-1995
2017-08-15T18:18:31 < dongs> lunix dweebs
2017-08-15T18:19:18 < Thorn> as in using UTF-16 with no surrogate pairs l0l
2017-08-15T18:19:31 < Thorn> the worst possible kind of "support"
2017-08-15T18:19:57 < dongs> better than ASCII
2017-08-15T18:21:58 < dongs> so i have 4 pins on GPIOA, 7 pins on GPIOB on random pins
2017-08-15T18:22:09 < dongs> whats hte best strategy to be able to toggle them fast
2017-08-15T18:22:13 < dongs> for ~software pwm stuff
2017-08-15T18:22:37 < Thorn> write to BSRR
2017-08-15T18:23:08 < Laurenceb> W E W
2017-08-15T18:23:11 < dongs> yeah i meant more like how do I organize the data structure for it
2017-08-15T18:23:16 < Laurenceb> just got email from vibration duded
2017-08-15T18:23:25 < dongs> and it includes a pic of a dong?
2017-08-15T18:23:28 < Laurenceb>  "can we use a Raspberry pi, would it be faster?"
2017-08-15T18:23:33 < dongs> lo
2017-08-15T18:23:39 < dongs> recommend rageberry pi zero
2017-08-15T18:23:41 < dongs> instead.
2017-08-15T18:23:42 < Laurenceb> status: quitting jerb
2017-08-15T18:24:48 < dongs> looks like HAL_GPIO_WritePin does that
2017-08-15T18:24:53 < dongs> BSRR or BRR
2017-08-15T18:25:31 < dongs> wait isnt writing 0 to bsrr resets it
2017-08-15T18:25:34 < dongs> same as writing 1 to brr?
2017-08-15T18:25:34 < dongs> or wat
2017-08-15T18:25:52 < dongs> hm no
2017-08-15T18:26:01 < dongs> this shit always confuses me
2017-08-15T18:26:08 < Thorn> no, only 1s are significant when writing to BSRR
2017-08-15T18:26:28 < Thorn> that is why it is so useful
2017-08-15T18:26:59 < dongs> hmm what the hell
2017-08-15T18:27:13 < dongs> cmsis header offsets dont match the RM
2017-08-15T18:27:16 < dongs> i wonder if im reading wrong shit
2017-08-15T18:28:04 < dongs> __IO uint32_t BSRR;         /*!< GPIO port bit set/reset register,      Address offset: 0x1A */
2017-08-15T18:28:11 < dongs> GPIO port bit set/reset register (GPIOx_BSRR) (x = A..F)
2017-08-15T18:28:12 < dongs> Address offset: 0x18
2017-08-15T18:28:14 < dongs> ....
2017-08-15T18:28:55 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/FFiZCB83.html
2017-08-15T18:29:01 < dongs> wait waht, the fucking comments in structure are wrong
2017-08-15T18:29:02 < dongs> go ST
2017-08-15T18:29:19 < dongs> ODR is 0x14, but BSRR right after it is at 1A, which is wrong, should be +4 = 0x18
2017-08-15T18:29:50 < Thorn> 0, 4, 8, C, 10, 14, 1A
2017-08-15T18:29:54 < dongs> yes
2017-08-15T18:29:56 < Thorn> someone can't count in hex
2017-08-15T18:30:14 < dongs> ST intern
2017-08-15T18:30:19 < dongs> and this is the cmsis header file :(
2017-08-15T18:30:25 < dongs> stm32f042x6.h
2017-08-15T18:30:32 < dongs> i thought those were autogenerated from that SFR data or whatever
2017-08-15T18:31:26 < Thorn> hopefully the compiler can
2017-08-15T18:32:07 < dongs> so
2017-08-15T18:32:48 < dongs> i should do something like gpio->bsrr = enabled ? pin : pin << 16; ?
2017-08-15T18:34:03 < dongs> hm i should probly prepare the uint32 with the bits set as i need it and just write it once
2017-08-15T18:34:23 < Thorn> certainly write it once
2017-08-15T18:34:26 < R0b0t1`> Can't you set the DMA controller to drive pins?
2017-08-15T18:34:58 < Thorn> and better keep your pin states as a bit field so you don't have to calculate it every time
2017-08-15T18:35:17 < dongs> leds[index].gpio->BSRR = state ? leds[index].pin << 16 : leds[index].pin; ya this works, just wanted to try it out
2017-08-15T18:35:32 < Thorn> R0b0t1`: I did it for a ws2812b driver and it worked
2017-08-15T18:35:36 < dongs> Thorn: yeah would be cleaner if it was on same GPIO
2017-08-15T18:40:38 < R0b0t1`> Thorn: Had you seen any reviews of that nordic part or no
2017-08-15T18:40:53 < R0b0t1`> I had been meaning to play with some of them, might pick an older part
2017-08-15T18:41:01 < R0b0t1`> Then I might need it and something else but oh well
2017-08-15T18:42:36 < aandrew> dongs: I've never figured out a good way to DMA to GPIO
2017-08-15T18:42:56 < R0b0t1`> Also neat, I'm not sure if the datasheets call out DMA to GPIO specifically but ever since I read an Cortex part's datasheet I was like "oh neat"
2017-08-15T18:43:31 < dongs> aandrew: eh, i could do it but not for this application
2017-08-15T18:44:12 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/nfZgSZ48.html hm this is the best i could come up with but i still think its lame
2017-08-15T18:44:45 < aandrew> dongs: yeah, PIO
2017-08-15T18:44:58 < dongs> i know, i am not going to use DMA here.
2017-08-15T18:45:00 < dongs> so im nto even trying
2017-08-15T18:45:13 < R0b0t1`> I used to get hung up on how good my code looked dongs
2017-08-15T18:45:15 < R0b0t1`> then I read coreutils
2017-08-15T18:45:26 < R0b0t1`> and figured out widely deployed code looks just like my code
2017-08-15T18:45:33 < aandrew> R0b0t1`: I try to write clean code. I'm a professional
2017-08-15T18:45:37 < R0b0t1`> Of course, I am still not as intelligent as the people who wrote coreutils
2017-08-15T18:45:46 < aandrew> even if I have to do a disgusting hack, at least the code doing it is clear
2017-08-15T18:46:05 < R0b0t1`> aandrew: It seems like people always expect a neat trick though
2017-08-15T18:46:09 < R0b0t1`> sometimes there is no neat trick
2017-08-15T18:46:13 < aandrew> ah
2017-08-15T18:46:13 < R0b0t1`> You have to do something boring that works
2017-08-15T18:46:19 < aandrew> yeah no I try to avoid "clever" code
2017-08-15T18:46:31 < aandrew> there's a time to optimize and it's like 1% of the code
2017-08-15T18:47:19 < dongs> hm but this isnt gonna help me to do sftware pwm anyway
2017-08-15T18:47:30 < dongs> i would need a buffer of some kind with counters and shit
2017-08-15T18:47:31 < aandrew> Thorn: how did you end up GPIO DMA'ing?
2017-08-15T18:48:04 < dongs> aandrew: just normal way, gpio->ODR as peripheral address (or bsrr, or wahtever)
2017-08-15T18:48:07 < englishman> zyp: looks like il be using artik as edidongs replacement \o/
2017-08-15T18:48:08 < dongs> and trigger it foff a timer
2017-08-15T18:48:28 < aandrew> dongs: right
2017-08-15T18:48:33 < aandrew> ok so that's all there is
2017-08-15T18:48:50 < aandrew> have you driven WS2812 type shit off that?
2017-08-15T18:49:04 < dongs> i did 16x dmx uarts
2017-08-15T18:49:10 < dongs> thorn did ledtrash
2017-08-15T18:49:12 < Thorn> aandrew: looks like I posted here a version of my code ~3 months ago https://gist.github.com/pthorn/01cd5c7a3bef0a597e785dc0a87a81d0
2017-08-15T18:51:01 < aandrew> Thorn: ah, interesting
2017-08-15T18:51:03 < Thorn> I was trying to catch what I thought were DMA bugs, there are checks for failed DMA streams in there
2017-08-15T18:51:48 < Thorn> it was probably just bad synchronization on my part
2017-08-15T18:52:12 < Thorn> but I'm not 100% sure until I return to this project and make a semi-proper prototype
2017-08-15T18:52:41 < aandrew> right, I have to play with this sometime
2017-08-15T18:58:15 < aandrew> Thorn: so if I'm reading this right, you're using the timer update to set output high, TC1 to set low if writing a zero, and TC2 to set zero
2017-08-15T18:58:24 < Thorn> (note that I inverted DMA direction as advised in some app note to avoid DMA bugs on F4, also not sure if that's required)
2017-08-15T18:58:59 < aandrew> then your only real DMA stream that is variable is the one that determines the data pattern, the other two are locked to all ones and all zeroes
2017-08-15T18:59:25 < Thorn> actually I'm using compare interrupts for all 3 streams, update was giving me trouble
2017-08-15T19:00:03 < Thorn> yes, only 1 stream of the 3 feeds variable data
2017-08-15T19:03:01 < Thorn> there is certainly some voodoo code in there, I was trying to get rid of occasional green flashes which were caused by some kind of pause / timing problem
2017-08-15T19:03:31 < Thorn> it caused a stretched pulse which is significant for the ws2812b protocol
2017-08-15T19:10:09 < aandrew> yeah the ws2812 is all length dependent
2017-08-15T19:11:48 < Thorn> and the 1st pulse in the packet is green MSB -> green flash if it is read as 1
2017-08-15T19:12:30 < aandrew> *nods*
2017-08-15T19:12:42 < aandrew> what's this auto const stuff in init_dma, is that needed for some C++ voodoo?
2017-08-15T19:13:34 < Thorn> c++11 stuff
2017-08-15T19:13:42 < aandrew> I know what the keywords mean, just never seen it "in the wild" so to speak
2017-08-15T19:13:48 < Thorn> type inference
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2017-08-15T19:14:40 < dongs> cuz nobody uses taht shit
2017-08-15T19:14:51 < Thorn> K&R C FTW
2017-08-15T19:17:48 < aandrew> hm, you never init DMA_ZEROS->PAR
2017-08-15T19:18:00 < aandrew> oh
2017-08-15T19:18:03 < aandrew> you do it in start_xfer, duh
2017-08-15T19:20:58 < Thorn> iirc you have to reinit it every time if PINC is set
2017-08-15T19:21:10 < dongs> correct
2017-08-15T19:21:11 < aandrew> yeah, makes sense
2017-08-15T19:21:13 < Thorn> because it gets incremented
2017-08-15T19:21:29 < aandrew> what's the significance of 0x100 for the dma-start and dma-end transfers?
2017-08-15T19:21:42 < aandrew> oh
2017-08-15T19:21:43 < aandrew> duh
2017-08-15T19:22:00 < aandrew> I see now, that's the pin (Px.8) you're driving
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2017-08-15T19:22:16 < aandrew> yeah I see how you've structured it now
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2017-08-15T19:22:34 < aandrew> the DMA buffer is essentially 15 bits of wasted space
2017-08-15T19:23:17 < aandrew> actually more than that, it's 3/32 bits used
2017-08-15T19:23:49 < Thorn> well you can drive up to 16 chains of leds at the same time
2017-08-15T19:24:08 < aandrew> right, it becomes more efficient the more chains you have
2017-08-15T19:24:21 < Thorn> that is the main advantage of this method
2017-08-15T19:24:52 < aandrew> Ihave a couple 10x10 or 16x10 or something panels of led "buttons" I can drive to play
2017-08-15T19:25:26 < aandrew> forgot where I got them but they were dirt cheap, intended to be snapped apart, with each circular board holding 1 LED
2017-08-15T19:25:45 < aandrew> but with some wire and solder I can easily bridge them in chains
2017-08-15T19:26:42 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/b6WGBO37.html
2017-08-15T19:27:28 < dongs> precalculated each led.bsrr as pin << 16 | pin
2017-08-15T19:33:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ9F_p9oZ_g
2017-08-15T19:33:17 < Laurenceb> whyyyyyyy
2017-08-15T19:34:39 < dongs> nice cg
2017-08-15T19:34:44 < dongs> are they phishing for vc money
2017-08-15T19:35:16 < dongs> whats so wring with this laurence/n/
2017-08-15T19:35:20 < dongs> er laurence/b/
2017-08-15T19:35:47 < Laurenceb> there is no point to rockoon if its that big
2017-08-15T19:35:52 < Laurenceb> >be me
2017-08-15T19:36:02 < Laurenceb> >get asked to produce Rpi datalogger
2017-08-15T19:36:19 < Laurenceb> >look up Rpi zero add on boards for lipo charging and rtc
2017-08-15T19:36:32 < Laurenceb> >there is nothing that does more than one of those
2017-08-15T19:36:40 < dongs> lmao stack taht shti up
2017-08-15T19:36:51 < Laurenceb> epin fail intensifies
2017-08-15T19:37:49 < Laurenceb> BBB would do all this
2017-08-15T19:38:00 < Laurenceb> oh apart from the fact they broke PMIC and RTC
2017-08-15T19:39:02 < dongs> so if i wanted ot do 8bit software pwm now what do i do . i have a list of brigthnesses. so I loop ledwrite() 255 times, and once index < brightness, stop it?
2017-08-15T19:39:53 < dongs> hm 8 bit is too much, probly 4 is nmore than enough
2017-08-15T19:40:09 < aandrew> I gotta figure out why the web browser (browsing localhost/foo.html is FUCKING SLOW on bbb
2017-08-15T19:40:20 < dongs> what isnt fucking slo on bbb?
2017-08-15T19:40:26 < aandrew> good point
2017-08-15T19:40:26 < dongs> i thought it was a garbage american processor
2017-08-15T19:41:21 < Laurenceb> roadkill knights
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2017-08-15T19:44:00 < Laurenceb> maybe beaglebone blue?
2017-08-15T19:44:21 < Laurenceb> heh SOC with built in pmic, maybe it will work
2017-08-15T19:45:46 < aandrew> it's set for 1GHz but pulling up a browser just fucking crawls
2017-08-15T19:46:05 < englishman> lol
2017-08-15T19:46:07 < englishman> dude
2017-08-15T19:46:21 < englishman> does BBB even load lynx in less than 10 seconds
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2017-08-15T19:48:05 < Laurenceb> something like 10s
2017-08-15T19:48:25 < Laurenceb> mine is in a drawer somewhere looking like a rats nest with holes drilled in the pcb
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2017-08-15T19:48:38 < Laurenceb> but pmic actually works
2017-08-15T19:49:18 < Laurenceb> blue _looks_ like it should work
2017-08-15T19:49:33 < Laurenceb> bet there are no drivers for half the stuff
2017-08-15T19:49:51 < Laurenceb> prob broken wifi and rtc
2017-08-15T19:50:45 < Laurenceb> oh nice, there is a VCC_CHG thats connected to... nothing
2017-08-15T19:51:01 < Laurenceb> sounds about right for a beaglebone project
2017-08-15T19:52:21 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2017/03/15/the-beaglebone-blue-perfect-for-robots/
2017-08-15T19:52:32 < Laurenceb>  Support for battery charging was included
2017-08-15T19:52:35 < Laurenceb> cool story bro
2017-08-15T19:53:24 < Steffanx> Lol. You have a monologue and then say: cool story bro
2017-08-15T19:53:30 < Steffanx> Nice work Laurenceb
2017-08-15T19:54:01 < Laurenceb> why are all lunix boards broken by design
2017-08-15T19:54:03 < Laurenceb> oh wait
2017-08-15T19:56:14 < Laurenceb> why is this so hard to get right?! the mind boggles
2017-08-15T19:57:55 < Laurenceb> almost as if lunix board developers are somehow removed from the real world
2017-08-15T19:58:51 < Steffanx> No, they all think they can do it.
2017-08-15T19:58:59 < Steffanx> Everyone and his grandma
2017-08-15T19:59:19 < Steffanx> Make your own Laurenceb
2017-08-15T19:59:36 < Laurenceb> vibration guys seem to think its possible off the shelf
2017-08-15T19:59:57 < Laurenceb> when I suggest custom stm32 board they are not so happy, they want lunix
2017-08-15T20:00:34 < Steffanx> Connect the stm32 to a lunix board
2017-08-15T20:00:42 < Laurenceb> but it has to have sleep and wakeup in a few seconds with a single button press, working rtc, usb that behaves as mass storage and charges board
2017-08-15T20:00:43 < Laurenceb> hmmm
2017-08-15T20:00:53 < aandrew> Laurenceb: no worries
2017-08-15T20:00:58 < Laurenceb> yeah a frankenstein construction might work
2017-08-15T20:01:04 < aandrew> create an STM32 vibe board as an rpi hat or whatever
2017-08-15T20:01:09 < Laurenceb> yeah lol
2017-08-15T20:01:10 < aandrew> wire up the uart and call it done
2017-08-15T20:01:12 < Laurenceb> so stupid
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2017-08-15T20:01:24 < aandrew> then offer a discount to leave off the rpi board
2017-08-15T20:01:28 < aandrew> nobody will want to, and you get profit
2017-08-15T20:01:31 < Laurenceb> haha
2017-08-15T20:01:39 < Steffanx> Lolz
2017-08-15T20:01:54 < aandrew> so rpi+stm32 = $100, stm32 only = $10
2017-08-15T20:01:59 < Laurenceb> just epoxy a random Rpi to the stm32 board that does the actual work
2017-08-15T20:02:04 < aandrew> rpi costs you $6 so you make profit either way
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2017-08-15T20:16:13 < Laurenceb> Maybe go back to feminism class?
2017-08-15T20:16:53 < englishman> hello have you considered orangepi zero
2017-08-15T20:18:24 < sync> Laurenceb: if you use hobbyist grade lunix SBCs no wonder
2017-08-15T20:18:45 < Laurenceb> yeah, I blame the patriarchy for this mess
2017-08-15T20:20:15 < Laurenceb> englishman: does that have lipo charger?
2017-08-15T20:20:30 < englishman> does rpi?
2017-08-15T20:22:07 < Laurenceb> no of course not
2017-08-15T20:22:16 < Laurenceb> it doesnt even have a rtc
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2017-08-15T20:35:42 < sync> look at the phytec shit
2017-08-15T20:37:25 < karlp> you think they'll pay for that?
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2017-08-15T20:38:09 < karlp> prices not on website => clearly charging "industrial" prices
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2017-08-15T20:42:24 < Laurenceb> yeah I have megabux
2017-08-15T20:42:45 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/TUKTG9ZS
2017-08-15T20:42:50 < Laurenceb> copypasta intensifies
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2017-08-15T20:58:39 < zyp> englishman, fun
2017-08-15T20:58:43 < zyp> lemme know how it compares
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2017-08-15T21:07:24 < Laurenceb> holy shit 4chan delivers http://imgur.com/mMgrP3G
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2017-08-15T21:17:52 < tpw_rules> me irl
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2017-08-15T21:45:48 < Lux> Laurenceb: that stuff might work too: https://docs.getchip.com/chip.html#power-from-a-battery
2017-08-15T21:45:56 < Lux> wifi + lipo charger onboard
2017-08-15T21:46:14 < Laurenceb> oh wow nice
2017-08-15T21:46:22 < Laurenceb> that looks like BBB done properly
2017-08-15T21:46:23 < Lux> just gets a bit hot iirc at 0.4A current draw from usb
2017-08-15T21:46:28 < Laurenceb> eek
2017-08-15T21:46:55 < Lux> still has an old cortex a8 core
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2017-08-15T21:47:28 < Lux> https://bbs.nextthing.co/t/c-h-i-p-power-consumption/1416
2017-08-15T21:47:32 < Laurenceb> but they managed to make pmic work, shocking
2017-08-15T21:49:09 < Laurenceb> Update: after a poweroff (standby mode) CHIP alpha < 1mA, CHIP v1 ~4.5mA
2017-08-15T21:49:18 < Laurenceb> erm that had better not be sleep mode
2017-08-15T21:50:01 < Lux> seems pretty normal for a soc
2017-08-15T21:51:05 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2017-08-15T21:51:16 < Laurenceb> I need a low power shutdown mode
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2017-08-15T22:14:06 < Steffanx> Get some sama5something and skip lunix Laurenceb
2017-08-15T22:14:40 < Steffanx> Dump some links at collegues, annoy them, be stubborn
2017-08-15T22:14:50 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-08-15T22:15:07 < Steffanx> Who has to write the codes?
2017-08-15T22:15:13 < Laurenceb> I might just use RS485 and copypasta for the datalogger
2017-08-15T22:15:15 < Laurenceb> me
2017-08-15T22:15:55 < Steffanx> So they force you to go with a lunix based platform, because lunix?
2017-08-15T22:16:06 < tpw_rules> lennox™
2017-08-15T22:16:11 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-08-15T22:16:47 < Laurenceb> if I can come up with a haxored rs485 version using old datalogger hardware then its very fast to develop
2017-08-15T22:16:56 < Laurenceb> so maybe i could get them to agree to it
2017-08-15T22:17:39 < tpw_rules> i have a dave lennox signature edition ac unit
2017-08-15T22:18:21 < Steffanx> You live in the desert too?
2017-08-15T22:18:29 < Laurenceb> maybe something like this for sensors https://www.norcomp.net/rohspdfs/Micro-D/CCA-009-YYYR152.pdf
2017-08-15T22:21:24 < R0b0t1`> What are the sama5somethings?
2017-08-15T22:24:11 < invzim> yahoo, I got bytes via SPI from fpga->stm32 \o/
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2017-08-15T22:50:53 < zyp> yawn
2017-08-15T22:51:19 < englishman> about to place $10k digikey order
2017-08-15T22:51:21 < englishman> fml
2017-08-15T22:51:28 < zyp> cool
2017-08-15T22:51:43 < englishman> yeah but so much wasted money
2017-08-15T22:51:47 < tpw_rules> did you buy one of those fpgas
2017-08-15T22:51:59 < englishman> haha
2017-08-15T22:53:57 < Steffanx> At least its not ARROW
2017-08-15T22:54:12 < englishman> definitely not
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2017-08-15T22:55:02 < englishman> actually going to buy 50k of edisons from ARROW tho
2017-08-15T22:55:31 < englishman> mouser didnt even want to look at me for that small of an order
2017-08-15T22:56:32 < tpw_rules> lol what
2017-08-15T22:59:26 < Steffanx> fuck edison, seriously... whhyy
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2017-08-15T23:02:53 < Steffanx> Why invest such money in a product you know is killed off mr englishman?
2017-08-15T23:03:20 < englishman> they just want stock to last until they can stop running around like chickens with their heads cut off
2017-08-15T23:03:31 < englishman> last buy late is like a month away.
2017-08-15T23:05:10 < Steffanx> ok :P
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2017-08-15T23:35:42 < kakimir> in finland air conditioner units are used for house heating instead of cooling
2017-08-15T23:35:56 < kakimir> little trivia for you
2017-08-15T23:36:07 < tpw_rules> we do that here too sometimes with geothermal units and heat pumps
2017-08-15T23:36:21 < kakimir> I assume germany?
2017-08-15T23:36:27 < kakimir> same here
2017-08-15T23:36:38 < tpw_rules> US
2017-08-15T23:36:54 < tpw_rules> i don't think we're as backwards with our HVAC as we are in a lot of other respects :)
2017-08-15T23:36:59 < tpw_rules> but people usually don't upgrade
2017-08-15T23:36:59 < zyp> same here in norway
2017-08-15T23:37:14 < tpw_rules> my house has a boiler from the 1800s which still has the option for coal firing
2017-08-15T23:37:32 < zyp> heh
2017-08-15T23:37:34 < tpw_rules> but a modern construction would not shy away from mini-splits, heat pumps, geothermal etc
2017-08-15T23:38:15 < kakimir> AC units are used because of ease of install for additional heat
2017-08-15T23:38:30 < kakimir> and low price
2017-08-15T23:38:43 < zyp> no, they are used for the 3x energy output vs input
2017-08-15T23:38:59 < zyp> i.e. electricity savings
2017-08-15T23:39:16 < tpw_rules> ^
2017-08-15T23:39:16 < zyp> and the ability to run them for cooling in the summer is a nice bonus
2017-08-15T23:39:18 < Steffanx> Im glad i live in a country where AC units are hardly needed
2017-08-15T23:39:19 < kakimir> *instead of big units with ground circulation piping
2017-08-15T23:39:30 < tpw_rules> a lot of areas here must have auxiliary units installed though
2017-08-15T23:39:31 < Steffanx> those few hot days in a year can be dealt with, without it
2017-08-15T23:39:43 < tpw_rules> cause you can't pump enough heat inside
2017-08-15T23:39:58 < kakimir> oh you have too only few hot days Steffanx ?
2017-08-15T23:40:02 < kakimir> sounds perfect
2017-08-15T23:40:27 < Steffanx> actually not entirely true. Everything > like 25C is too hot for me.
2017-08-15T23:40:32 < zyp> haha
2017-08-15T23:40:45 < tpw_rules> 40C next week boizzz
2017-08-15T23:40:58 < Steffanx> so you did built your house in the desert like emeb?
2017-08-15T23:41:18 < englishman> backwards AC units contribute to global cooling too
2017-08-15T23:41:34 < zyp> last «wow, so fucking hot» day I remember was the day I went to visit dongs
2017-08-15T23:42:07 < Steffanx> many because dongs turned out to be hot?
2017-08-15T23:42:23 < kakimir> friend is planning a project where normal AC unit is fitted with ground circulation instead of air
2017-08-15T23:42:42 < zyp> well, I started the day by riding the shinkansen like 400km or so
2017-08-15T23:42:43 < emeb> Steffanx: come on over - weather's great
2017-08-15T23:42:52 < Steffanx> !wz phoenix
2017-08-15T23:42:54 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 36.7°C. SW wind: 14.8 kph.
2017-08-15T23:43:11 < zyp> when I got off the train, there weren't a cloud in sight and I think around 35C in the air
2017-08-15T23:43:12 < Steffanx> !wz bern
2017-08-15T23:43:13 < dieforirc> [Bern, Switzerland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 19°C. Variable wind: 4 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2017-08-15T23:43:21 < zyp> !wz grimstad
2017-08-15T23:43:22 < dieforirc> [Grimstad, Norway] Rain. Temp is 16.8°C. West wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 95%.
2017-08-15T23:43:29 < emeb> brrrr
2017-08-15T23:43:31 < emeb> chilly
2017-08-15T23:43:36 < kakimir> to get cheap used unit that is easy to install to side of his wood heating just by placing the indoor unit in living room wall
2017-08-15T23:43:38 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2017-08-15T23:43:39 < zyp> so, yeah
2017-08-15T23:43:39 < dieforirc> [Groningen, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 21.2°C. NE wind: 1.0 kph. Humidity: 72%.
2017-08-15T23:43:44 < BrainDamage> we had >40°C 2 weeks ago here, but i fled away from the country :p
2017-08-15T23:43:46 < zyp> 35C is «fucking hot» to me
2017-08-15T23:43:51 < emeb> Hey, I know Groningen.
2017-08-15T23:43:53 < kakimir> and actual heating around the year not just 3season
2017-08-15T23:44:01 < Steffanx> lol, you do emeb?
2017-08-15T23:44:27 < emeb> Steffanx: yes. My dad is a pipe organ builder and studied an important historic instrument there.
2017-08-15T23:44:35 < zyp> so I walked over to the nearest car rental shop I found and asked (in my awesome japanese) if I could rent car
2017-08-15T23:44:51 < Steffanx> oh nice, that's also getting a lost art over here.
2017-08-15T23:44:54 < zyp> my japanese was good enough that they let me leave with one
2017-08-15T23:45:08 < Steffanx> -also
2017-08-15T23:45:22 < kakimir> !wz EFRA
2017-08-15T23:45:23 < dieforirc> [EFRA, Finland] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 14.4°C. East wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 80%.
2017-08-15T23:45:39 < emeb> Steffanx: Aarp Schnitger organ in Aa Kerk
2017-08-15T23:46:12 < zyp> emeb, by the way, how is humidity over there?
2017-08-15T23:46:29 < emeb> zyp: kinda high during this season.
2017-08-15T23:46:57 < kakimir> anyone have studied AC unit controller tech?
2017-08-15T23:47:08 < zyp> kakimir, in what sense?
2017-08-15T23:47:13 < emeb> high for Arizona that is - varies from 20% - 60% due to monsoon rains.
2017-08-15T23:47:26 < zyp> I did some work on refrigeration systems when I worked as an electrician
2017-08-15T23:47:29 < emeb> rest of year its more like 10%
2017-08-15T23:47:36 < zyp> also wired up a ton of AC units
2017-08-15T23:47:36 < kakimir> so that if you want to hack such device to work slightly differently
2017-08-15T23:47:47 < zyp> differently how?
2017-08-15T23:48:23 < kakimir> change air unit to work as ground loop unit
2017-08-15T23:48:32 < englishman> the tech is two hundred years old
2017-08-15T23:48:35 < englishman> hack away
2017-08-15T23:48:42 < kakimir> sure
2017-08-15T23:48:53 < Steffanx> I dont know that guy, but he seems to be a famous organ builder emeb
2017-08-15T23:48:53 < kakimir> but there is code in them
2017-08-15T23:48:59 < kakimir> busses, sensors, shit
2017-08-15T23:49:16 < emeb> Steffanx: yes, one of the famous "old guys"
2017-08-15T23:49:44 < zyp> AFAIK ground loop units are usually single unit boxes, pumping heat between two liquid loops
2017-08-15T23:49:47 < kakimir> something is out of place and sets fault or something
2017-08-15T23:50:18 < zyp> so you don't actually run refrigerant through the ground loop
2017-08-15T23:50:31 < kakimir> yes but if I want ground to inside unit like it was normal AC
2017-08-15T23:50:50 < kakimir> zyp: I know that much though
2017-08-15T23:51:14 < R0b0t1`> Hello
2017-08-15T23:51:18 < R0b0t1`> I have an STM32L4KC
2017-08-15T23:51:20 < kakimir> some alcohol solution maybe zyp
2017-08-15T23:51:27 < R0b0t1`> I uploaded a test USB CDC project to it
2017-08-15T23:51:37 < zyp> well, just grab the condenser loop and dig it into the ground
2017-08-15T23:51:38 < R0b0t1`> I cut a USB cable apart and created a header to attach to the board
2017-08-15T23:51:42 < zyp> kakimir, yes, typically glycol
2017-08-15T23:51:43 < R0b0t1`> This should work in theory, yes?
2017-08-15T23:51:53 < kakimir> I heard that large amounts of glycol is not good for little animals in case of leak
2017-08-15T23:51:56 < zyp> R0b0t1`, yes, I've done that
2017-08-15T23:52:02 < kakimir> but I assumed before that glycol
2017-08-15T23:52:20 < kakimir> are you sure that it's glycol?
2017-08-15T23:52:37 < zyp> not 100%
2017-08-15T23:52:52 < zyp> could be salt water
2017-08-15T23:53:19 < zyp> I did some work on an industrial single unit once that supposedly had salt water loops
2017-08-15T23:53:28 < kakimir> interesting
2017-08-15T23:53:44 < R0b0t1`> zyp: I don't see an additional COM port
2017-08-15T23:53:54 < kakimir> you need to be careful with such solution to have electrons go right way
2017-08-15T23:53:56 < R0b0t1`> Does the stlink2 interface provide a com port?
2017-08-15T23:53:58 < zyp> work = wiring up the fans on the radiators, or something
2017-08-15T23:54:32 < zyp> so I'm not an expert on the refrigeration chemistry itself
2017-08-15T23:54:43 < R0b0t1`> Oh. The STLink on the board must forward serial from the chip
2017-08-15T23:54:53 < R0b0t1`> That is why the USART is set up by default in the CubeMX project
2017-08-15T23:55:00 < kakimir> simple isobaric conversions zyp
2017-08-15T23:55:39 < zyp> R0b0t1`, IIRC that's a feature that was added in stlink v2.1 or something like that
2017-08-15T23:55:49 < zyp> newer discovery boards should have it
2017-08-15T23:55:49 < R0b0t1`> Ah makes sense
2017-08-15T23:56:04 < R0b0t1`> Well that's kind of disappointing, I have no idea how to check if USB is working
2017-08-15T23:56:34 < zyp> you do have a usb firmware?
2017-08-15T23:57:03 < R0b0t1`> zyp: https://github.com/R030t1/usbcdc-stm32l432 straight from STM32CubeMX
2017-08-15T23:57:12 < zyp> if you're on linux, you should see some output in dmesg when you plug in a usb device, and if it enumerates successfully it should show up in lsusb
2017-08-15T23:57:14 < R0b0t1`> I would expect it to not do anything, but for a COM port to become visible in device manager
2017-08-15T23:57:24 < zyp> on windows you'll find similar on device manager
2017-08-15T23:57:27 < R0b0t1`> I will be on Linux later, but for now I am on Windows
2017-08-15T23:57:28 < R0b0t1`> yeah
2017-08-15T23:57:40 < R0b0t1`> that doesn't seem to be happneing
2017-08-15T23:57:42 < R0b0t1`> happening*
2017-08-15T23:58:18 < R0b0t1`> admittedly I am using a connector to attach the USB plug to the nucleo board
2017-08-15T23:58:26 < R0b0t1`> at the same time, I've seen this work for other people
2017-08-15T23:59:05 < zyp> are you hooking up all four wires?
2017-08-15T23:59:09 < R0b0t1`> Yes
2017-08-15T23:59:12 < zyp> i.e. gnd, dp, dm, vbus?
2017-08-15T23:59:56 < R0b0t1`> Yes, and per here: https://developer.mbed.org/media/uploads/svastm/nucleo32_revc_l432kc_mbed_pinout_v3_.png
2017-08-15T23:59:59 < zyp> say, does L4 have the OTG core?
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2017-08-16T00:00:02 < R0b0t1`> I matched vbux and gnd obviously
2017-08-16T00:00:12 < R0b0t1`> vbus*
2017-08-16T00:00:39 < R0b0t1`> zyp: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/training/technical/product_training/98/89/c8/6c/3e/e9/49/79/STM32L4_Peripheral_USB.pdf/files/STM32L4_Peripheral_USB.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.STM32L4_Peripheral_USB.pdf
2017-08-16T00:00:42 < R0b0t1`> zyp: Some do, see page 2
2017-08-16T00:00:55 < zyp> does your L4 have the OTG core?
2017-08-16T00:01:06 < Thorn> what do you mean matched. where did you connect vbus
2017-08-16T00:01:57 < Thorn> oh well L452 does not have dwc_otg with vbus sensing
2017-08-16T00:02:50 < R0b0t1`> zyp: no
2017-08-16T00:02:53 < zyp> he said 432, but same same
2017-08-16T00:02:59 < zyp> ok, then vbus is irrelevant
2017-08-16T00:03:12 < R0b0t1`> Hooked it to 5V connector
2017-08-16T00:03:21 < R0b0t1`> If you look at the picture, they're all on one side
2017-08-16T00:03:24 < zyp> I'm assuming it's usbfs_v2 then, which should have functional internal DP pullup
2017-08-16T00:03:42 < R0b0t1`> I meant to say I chose USB_DP and USB_DM by matching them against SPI1_MISO/SPI1_MOSI from CubeMX
2017-08-16T00:04:00 < zyp> that doesn't look right to me
2017-08-16T00:04:17 < zyp> IIRC they are usually on PA11/12
2017-08-16T00:04:24 < R0b0t1`> Those are PA11/PA12
2017-08-16T00:04:32 < R0b0t1`> Ah right would have been easier to say that
2017-08-16T00:04:55 < zyp> okay, I saw SPI1 on PA6/7 also
2017-08-16T00:05:01 < R0b0t1`> Well
2017-08-16T00:05:03 < R0b0t1`> I am not sure
2017-08-16T00:05:13 < R0b0t1`> Perhaps they changed the pinout for some things due to the lower number of pins
2017-08-16T00:05:16 < zyp> but PA11/12 should be right
2017-08-16T00:05:26 < zyp> every other stm32 I've touched have usb on PA11/12
2017-08-16T00:05:35 < R0b0t1`> It is PA11/PA12 in CubeMX but I am not sure if that transfers to the board.
2017-08-16T00:05:54 < R0b0t1`> Like, that they share SPI functionality might mean so, but I think they can be pinmuxed
2017-08-16T00:05:56 < R0b0t1`> Oooh
2017-08-16T00:05:56 < zyp> anyway, rules out that
2017-08-16T00:05:59 < R0b0t1`> Yeah I may have gotten it wrong
2017-08-16T00:07:35 < R0b0t1`> Ok in CubeMX I found another pin which could conceivably be SPI1_MISO
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2017-08-16T00:07:59 < R0b0t1`> PB4/PB5
2017-08-16T00:08:42 < R0b0t1`> Those don't seem to be connected, though
2017-08-16T00:08:53 < kakimir> oh well now I remember the issue. I wanted to use some lorry tanks placed inside old cowhouse surrounded by metric tonnes of straw basically filling the space from floor to roof. during summer heat would be inserted into water inside tanks with solar collectors and big furnace that could be loaded with tractor instead of hand loading
2017-08-16T00:09:52 < kakimir> and then pump the heat from those tanks with temperature range of 0-100centigrade in liquid inflow to AC
2017-08-16T00:10:14 < R0b0t1`> zyp: I can solder the wires directly to my board (though I would be sad, for then it would not be pristine) but I am not sure those are the right pins
2017-08-16T00:10:20 < R0b0t1`> The right pins... might not be broken out?
2017-08-16T00:10:34 < zyp> R0b0t1`, wait
2017-08-16T00:10:40 < Thorn> check the datasheet?
2017-08-16T00:10:41 < Thorn> or cubemx
2017-08-16T00:10:47 < R0b0t1`> I did
2017-08-16T00:10:49 < R0b0t1`> PA11/PA12
2017-08-16T00:10:51 < R0b0t1`> But
2017-08-16T00:11:02 < R0b0t1`> Oooh
2017-08-16T00:11:06 < R0b0t1`> Yeah I don't think they're broken out
2017-08-16T00:11:10 < R0b0t1`> Man that is really disappointing
2017-08-16T00:11:21 < zyp> what are you talking about?
2017-08-16T00:11:29 < zyp> the picture you linked have them clearly labelled
2017-08-16T00:11:40 < R0b0t1`> And none of them are PA11/PA12
2017-08-16T00:12:00 < zyp> left side, fifth from top, third from bottom
2017-08-16T00:12:49 < R0b0t1`> Oh
2017-08-16T00:12:52 < R0b0t1`> I did this properly once
2017-08-16T00:12:54 < zyp> D2 and D10 according to mbed numbering
2017-08-16T00:12:59 < R0b0t1`> I am sorry for my stupitidy zyp
2017-08-16T00:13:50 < kakimir> so what AC unit does if inflow is 100centigrade.. I wouldn't want to cool the liquid with mixer to keep the operation simple and efficient
2017-08-16T00:13:54 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/24/01/9f/59/f0/83/47/fc/DM00257205.pdf/files/DM00257205.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00257205.pdf ctrl+F USB_DM
2017-08-16T00:14:00 < Thorn> PA11 and PA12
2017-08-16T00:14:51 < Thorn> what is that jumper connecting PA12 to ground on the picture
2017-08-16T00:15:02 < Thorn> I hope your board doesn't have that lol
2017-08-16T00:21:10 < R0b0t1`> Yeah it does
2017-08-16T00:21:14 < R0b0t1`> part of the demo program
2017-08-16T00:22:00 < R0b0t1`> zyp thank you so much
2017-08-16T00:22:03 < R0b0t1`> I now see two com ports
2017-08-16T00:22:18 < R0b0t1`> The stlink portion needs to receive power from the USB port or the chip is held in reset
2017-08-16T00:22:33  * R0b0t1` twitches feebly
2017-08-16T00:23:15 < zyp> yes
2017-08-16T00:23:23 < zyp> that is obvious if you look at the schematic
2017-08-16T00:23:48 < zyp> the reset line is controlled by the stlink, so if that's unpowered, the reset line is low
2017-08-16T00:23:51 < zyp> and it's active low
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2017-08-16T01:55:17 < ohsix> https://github.com/micropython/micropython/blob/master/lib/mp-readline/readline.c micropython has their own little readline thing in it
2017-08-16T01:56:06 < ohsix> should just write my own
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2017-08-16T02:07:00 < Thorn> also write your own bytecode interpreter and compiler
2017-08-16T02:07:18 < R0b0t1`> zyp: So for the STM32L4 parts the USB core is clocked from PLLSAI1R, which receives input from PLLM.
2017-08-16T02:07:27 < Thorn> anything worth doing is worth doing well, even autism
2017-08-16T02:07:39 < R0b0t1`> zyp: So core can be run at 80MHz and USB clock can be generated from MSI output
2017-08-16T02:08:05 < R0b0t1`> This makes sense as you likely want the digital audio interface to be synchronized with the USB one
2017-08-16T02:10:30 < R0b0t1`> Why they didn't do something similar with earlier parts is kind of confusing
2017-08-16T02:10:46 < R0b0t1`> I remember looking at STM32CubeMX a long time ago and configuring clocks
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2017-08-16T02:44:15 < Laurenceb_> w e w trump
2017-08-16T02:44:27 < Laurenceb_> its like he is reading /pol/ and responding in real time
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2017-08-16T03:10:03 < jadew`> Laurenceb_, you're following his twitter feed?
2017-08-16T03:11:01 < jadew`> if he would have a youtube channel, he'd make a killing in ad revenue
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2017-08-16T03:15:02 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should sell my skillz as a trollpresident consultant
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2017-08-16T03:23:25 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvkLTm66pG4
2017-08-16T03:32:54 < sync> nice pile of sticks
2017-08-16T03:40:06 < Laurenceb_> lul murican houses
2017-08-16T03:40:13 < Laurenceb_> "houses"
2017-08-16T03:40:17 < Laurenceb_> moar liek sheds
2017-08-16T03:41:00 < Laurenceb_> crt is back once again
2017-08-16T03:41:02 < Laurenceb_> welcome
2017-08-16T03:50:43 < Laurenceb_> hi charlie
2017-08-16T03:54:18 < dongs> samsung SSD T5 is out
2017-08-16T03:54:26 < dongs> i wonder whey  they keep releasing them in odd numbers
2017-08-16T03:54:28 < dongs> T1, T3, T5
2017-08-16T03:54:46 < dongs> also: surprised to find out inside is just a fucking mSATA hdd. i thought SSDs went over sata speed limits long time ago
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2017-08-16T04:00:36 < englishman> msata eww
2017-08-16T04:00:48 < dongs> ikr?
2017-08-16T04:01:23 < englishman> guess its limited by usb3 tho
2017-08-16T04:01:27 < dongs> not anymore
2017-08-16T04:01:31 < dongs> T5 is gen2
2017-08-16T04:01:33 < dongs> so 10gbps
2017-08-16T04:01:58 < englishman> sata 3.2 tho?
2017-08-16T04:02:51 < dongs> no idea is taht even out?
2017-08-16T04:02:59 < dongs> i thought sata was 6gbps
2017-08-16T04:07:55 < aandrew> charlie's place?
2017-08-16T04:08:28 < aandrew> what exactly is the advantage of an SSD that is faster than its interconnect?
2017-08-16T04:08:57 < englishman> what is the advantage of a ssd that is slower than its interconnect
2017-08-16T04:12:44 < aandrew> not what I'm saying
2017-08-16T04:13:01 < aandrew> if the interconnect is 6Gbit what's the advantage of putting a drive capable of 10Gbit behind it?
2017-08-16T04:16:45 < dongs> > usb sticks
2017-08-16T04:16:53 < dongs> my T3 gets somewhere around 350meg/sec read/writes
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2017-08-16T04:38:52 < dongs> USER CODE BEGIN
2017-08-16T04:40:43 < aandrew> yay for intermixing autogen code and your own code
2017-08-16T04:40:46 < aandrew> why the fuck do they do that
2017-08-16T04:40:54 < aandrew> weak functions as stubs ftw
2017-08-16T04:41:27 < englishman> usb3 keys are pretty nice
2017-08-16T04:41:46 < aandrew> yeah all my keys are usb3 now
2017-08-16T04:42:15 < aandrew> and I use tiny (like logitech wireless dongle tiny) usb2 keys for boot drives sometimes now too
2017-08-16T04:44:01 < dongs> the fuck is a boot drive
2017-08-16T04:46:57 < aandrew> you stick it in yer boot
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2017-08-16T07:52:46 < R0b0t1_> Can USB OTG devices not register as a USB device?
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2017-08-16T07:57:30 < dongs> ? yes
2017-08-16T08:00:02 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/Armasight-8-32x100-Thermal-Imaging-Bi-Ocular/dp/B00TA0FOSY
2017-08-16T08:00:03 < englishman> Only 2 left in stock - order soon
2017-08-16T08:00:03 < R0b0t1_> dongs, I had it explained elsewhere
2017-08-16T08:00:05 < R0b0t1_> thanks
2017-08-16T08:00:48 < R0b0t1_> englishman: I have wanted one of those for quite a while
2017-08-16T08:00:58 < R0b0t1_> Well - preferrably with digital interface
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2017-08-16T09:17:06 < zyp> R0b0t1_, I'm still not convinced MSI is stable enough to comply with the usb spec
2017-08-16T09:17:10 < zyp> HSI48 with CRS is
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2017-08-16T09:44:26 < dongs> dumb cloners are using that 3pin resonator as ext xtal with USB-FS
2017-08-16T09:44:29 < dongs> on F3/F4
2017-08-16T09:44:55 < dongs> pretty certain thats out of spec
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2017-08-16T09:57:02 < zyp> hmm
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2017-08-16T09:57:31 < zyp> this TI RM4 stuff has internal pulldown on nTRST, disabling jtag until externally driven up
2017-08-16T09:58:10 < dongs> anti-haquer measure
2017-08-16T09:58:33 < dongs> to prevent casual tsop jtaggers
2017-08-16T09:58:34 < zyp> and apparently they recommend against driving it up on board, so that debug stuff doesn't inadvertly mess with your stuff
2017-08-16T09:59:18 < zyp> which is kinda annoying, because nTRST is not part of the 10-pin pinout
2017-08-16T10:06:23 < dongs> you dont need nrst there tho
2017-08-16T10:06:39 < dongs> you can switch to ntrst
2017-08-16T10:06:59 < dongs> do you even need jtag reset unless y our shit is really dead and you need to reset tap controller?
2017-08-16T10:07:19 < zyp> like I said, I could just pull it high on the board
2017-08-16T10:07:38 < zyp> but TI recommends pulling it low until debugger drives it high as a safety precaution
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2017-08-16T10:34:42 < Steffanx> Are you out?
2017-08-16T10:34:48 < Steffanx> Can ship new :P
2017-08-16T10:35:10 < Steffanx> A smaller batch as they aint no good for stvvn
2017-08-16T10:36:17 < Steffanx> Oh for a special occassion?
2017-08-16T10:36:52 < Steffanx> It never is
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2017-08-16T12:01:09 < stvn> sup
2017-08-16T12:09:22 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooW6OQMKEdk
2017-08-16T12:14:23 < dongs> http://avex.jp/lol/ what the fuck
2017-08-16T12:14:32 < dongs> they should have dropped another bomb on hiroshima
2017-08-16T12:16:10 < zyp> hmm, I emailed tag-connect to clarify some shit, got a reply in 20 minutes
2017-08-16T12:16:15 < zyp> I thought they'd be asleep now
2017-08-16T12:16:19 < dongs> about trst?
2017-08-16T12:16:21 < stvn> nice
2017-08-16T12:16:42 < zyp> yeah, and pinout for this shit:
2017-08-16T12:16:44 < zyp> http://www.tag-connect.com/TC-C2000-M
2017-08-16T12:16:51 < zyp> which is apparently the old "TI-14" pinout
2017-08-16T12:17:26 < zyp> the tag-connect end of that is incompatible with the more common ARM adapter, so fuck that
2017-08-16T12:17:30 < dongs> thats weird, is taht sut a socket? ah
2017-08-16T12:17:46 < dongs> the end of ~10 pin cable is still regular tagconnect?
2017-08-16T12:17:59 < ohsix> wat are you doing
2017-08-16T12:18:11 < zyp> regular TC2050-cable, and that adapter to plug into debugger shit
2017-08-16T12:19:04 < zyp> TI apparently still likes doing their own weird jtag connectors, so their debuggers ships with a TI pinout and a bunch of adapters to other shit
2017-08-16T12:19:12 < zyp> including ARM-20, ARM-10 and TI-14
2017-08-16T12:22:19 < stvn> ti
2017-08-16T12:22:27 < stvn> first clue 'texas'
2017-08-16T12:22:39 < stvn> they luck fucking their sisters too
2017-08-16T12:33:37 < zyp> hah, segger is selling rebranded tag-connect
2017-08-16T12:33:38 < zyp> https://www.segger.com/products/debug-probes/j-link/accessories/adapters/10-pin-needle-adapter/#tab-1628-4
2017-08-16T12:45:57 < dongs> still not sold on dick-connect being useful
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2017-08-16T13:12:26 < stvn> dongs boy do i have a treat for you
2017-08-16T13:14:13 < dongs> this better b good
2017-08-16T13:14:27 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/tebBkiB.png
2017-08-16T13:16:12 < stvn> want in?
2017-08-16T13:16:34 < dongs> haha
2017-08-16T13:16:49 < dongs> the real question is how high is that.. thing
2017-08-16T13:16:55 < dongs> that kinda looks like a dude a bit
2017-08-16T13:19:44 < stvn> m2f
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2017-08-16T13:20:49 < dongs> its leloo
2017-08-16T13:23:02 < stvn> that was my first guess
2017-08-16T13:31:13 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 dragon docking
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2017-08-16T13:41:27 < jadew`> I dreamt that a local radio station had an exclusive interview with Musk lol
2017-08-16T13:41:41 < dongs> why care about that fag
2017-08-16T13:41:57 < jadew`> saw an interview with him yesterday
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2017-08-16T13:49:02 < jpa-> err.. bought usb otg adapter cable from ebay.. it has +5V and GND connected wrong way around
2017-08-16T13:51:45 < fest> under what circumstances would stm32f7 become locked up? the only thing that still seems to be working is LTDC and SDRAM, but the darn thing doesn't even respond to swd
2017-08-16T13:52:29 < Thorn> swd pins remapped
2017-08-16T13:52:32 < fest> all fault handlers are in place, not hitting any of them
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2017-08-16T13:53:28 < jpa-> fest: sleep mode?
2017-08-16T13:54:24 < fest> not intentional then
2017-08-16T13:54:53 < jpa-> try setting DBGMCU CR to 0xFFFFFFFF
2017-08-16T13:54:59 < jpa-> so that sleep mode doesn't disable debug
2017-08-16T13:55:17 < Thorn> sleep shouldn't interfere with swd, only stop/standby iirc
2017-08-16T13:55:50 < jpa-> IIRC they all interfere
2017-08-16T13:55:52 < fest> wouldn't stop/standby also stop LTDC and FMC/SDRAM?
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2017-08-16T13:57:15 < fest> it's not like I can reproduce it reliably either, sometimes takes multiple days
2017-08-16T13:57:25 < upgrdman> how is keil (uvision etc) pronounced? like kyle or keel?
2017-08-16T13:57:26 < fest> hate these kinds of bugs
2017-08-16T13:59:54 < Steffanx> kakimir is that you?
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2017-08-16T14:08:39 < dongs> upgrdman: http://www.keil.com/forum/6026/
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2017-08-16T14:10:07 < dongs> ok faggot
2017-08-16T14:10:13 < dongs> EAT AND LEAVE
2017-08-16T14:24:06 < qyx> fest: some power glitches maybe
2017-08-16T14:24:29 < qyx> I have a stm32 board with a gprs modem on the garden
2017-08-16T14:24:53 < qyx> it locks every time I turn on water pump in the well
2017-08-16T14:25:15 < qyx> both are powered from a 48Vdc PV
2017-08-16T14:25:43 < qyx> I failed somehow
2017-08-16T14:26:07 < qyx> maybe some filtering would help
2017-08-16T14:27:52 < BrainDamage> pv = photovoltaic panel? how's the supply chain? is there a psu inbetwen? battery?
2017-08-16T14:28:37 < qyx> pv + charger + lifepo4 + inverter + VFD + induction motor
2017-08-16T14:29:04 < qyx> and the board has tps54061 or something similar
2017-08-16T14:29:07 < qyx> dc/dc converter
2017-08-16T14:31:00 < BrainDamage> that looks alright, I'd guess too insufficient filtering
2017-08-16T14:31:09 < fest> qyx: I doubt that's thee reason here, I'm running stress tests on 6 devices in parallel, powered by the same USB hub. They don't all lock up at the same time and power rails look clean (at least when I'm looking at them)
2017-08-16T14:31:43 < BrainDamage> can you monitor on your scope masking the baseline for trigger when you start the pump in single shot mode?
2017-08-16T14:32:05 < BrainDamage> if there's any power glitch it should show clearly
2017-08-16T14:34:42 < fest> I'm probably doing something dumb like trashing the stack, but usually I end up in hardfault handler
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2017-08-16T15:00:49 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/z41O_A1Hiyc?t=34
2017-08-16T15:00:57 < ReadErr> this guy says it right
2017-08-16T15:00:58 < ReadErr> keel
2017-08-16T15:01:05 < kakimir> What steffanx you accuse me of?
2017-08-16T15:01:40 < kakimir> or were you just missing me
2017-08-16T15:06:18 < dongs> i keil faggots
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2017-08-16T15:13:31 < Steffanx> Some aeroplane flew over pretty low. Thought you were doing skyhook
2017-08-16T15:13:34 < Steffanx> Me kakimir
2017-08-16T15:18:48 < Steffanx> Mr*
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2017-08-16T15:50:38 < englishman> keil hitler
2017-08-16T15:51:48 < comptroller> lol
2017-08-16T15:52:09 < comptroller> can't believe I never thought of that when I was using keil
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2017-08-16T16:04:37 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-08-16T16:06:49 < Steffanx> Not even Kitler. I thought you were more into cats
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2017-08-16T16:20:07 < daey> keiler actually is a german word :p
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2017-08-16T16:50:56 < dongs> that feel when i google for something and come across some fagggotry by paul "disgusting faggot" stoffregen
2017-08-16T16:51:01 < dongs> fuck
2017-08-16T16:51:11 < dongs> filthy commercial faggot
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2017-08-16T16:51:46 < englishman> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/006/870/450/49441dcbed494b33d431df5f577c9504_original.jpg?w=220&h=220&fit=crop&v=1461417070&auto=format&q=92&s=20c1e4385170bf835ff26da20590e68f
2017-08-16T16:51:48 < englishman> o i c
2017-08-16T16:53:45 < dongs> i see y ou've found another of his commercial projects
2017-08-16T16:53:48 < dongs> wasn't hard was it
2017-08-16T16:54:10 < dongs> little faggot leech , steals all the opensores, closes them, then commercializees the shit
2017-08-16T16:54:45 < karlp> what now?
2017-08-16T16:54:59 < dongs> nothing, just paul being paul
2017-08-16T16:56:10 < karlp> what are the commercial projects?
2017-08-16T16:56:31 < dongs> all of them
2017-08-16T16:57:13 < fest> is there anything else besides teensy?
2017-08-16T16:57:54 < dongs> doesnt matter. already closed page with wahtever faggot shit I came across earlier today while googling
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2017-08-16T18:14:52 < Laurenceb_> englishman: looks like how I imagine typical irc commenter
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2017-08-16T18:29:20 < englishman> anyone here used designspark pcb
2017-08-16T18:37:47 < englishman> hmm... you cant even select more than one component at a time...
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2017-08-16T18:50:21 < englishman> lol EAGLE requests computer reboot on install
2017-08-16T18:51:37 < Thorn> normal for weendows
2017-08-16T18:51:48 < englishman> not even in 1993 dude
2017-08-16T18:52:15 < karlp> ohhhkay :)
2017-08-16T18:54:46 < englishman> maybe to install CDROM drivers in 1995, years before you could even find lunix on a CD burned and distributed via your local LUG
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2017-08-16T19:21:17 < invzim> are there any torrent sites that have engineering software?
2017-08-16T19:21:31 < invzim> looking for a 'trial' version of a certain vhdl editor
2017-08-16T19:21:33 < Thorn> rutracker.org
2017-08-16T19:22:05 < Steffanx> One does not do such business in ##stm32
2017-08-16T19:22:25 < Thorn> (but last time I checked it only had old versions of anything fpga related except altera and xilinx software)
2017-08-16T19:23:07 < invzim> ok apologies for not being PC
2017-08-16T19:29:04 < karlp> aren't most of the toolchains free unless you're targetting the super big fpgas anyway?
2017-08-16T19:29:18 < englishman> http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/arm/sam3x.aspx?tab=documents
2017-08-16T19:29:22 < englishman> is this still dead for everyone else
2017-08-16T19:29:39 < Rickta59> "The service is unavailable."
2017-08-16T19:29:46 < englishman> f m l
2017-08-16T19:29:53 < invzim> karlp: yeah they are free, but the IDE/editors sucks
2017-08-16T19:29:57 < englishman> this link works http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-11057-32-bit-Cortex-M3-Microcontroller-SAM3X-SAM3A_Datasheet.pdf
2017-08-16T19:29:58 < Steffanx> Its not here
2017-08-16T19:30:03 < englishman> but there is 0 info on bootloader in here
2017-08-16T19:30:07 < Steffanx> Just downloaded the pff
2017-08-16T19:30:08 < Steffanx> Pdf
2017-08-16T19:30:20 < invzim> someone made a nice vhdl plugin for eclipse that's really nice, but it's 600euro YEARLY, pr mac address
2017-08-16T19:31:13 < Steffanx> Microchip hates canada it seems englishman
2017-08-16T19:31:25 < karlp> invzim: what's a good editor then?
2017-08-16T19:31:54 < karlp> oh, this eclipse plugin?
2017-08-16T19:32:00 < karlp> soundsd like shitty by definition honestly.
2017-08-16T19:32:06 < Rickta59> if you try the sam3a category it shows a "SAM3X/SAM3A Series" document
2017-08-16T19:32:17 < englishman> oh they dont called it "bootloader" they call it "SAM3X Boot Program"
2017-08-16T19:32:18 < Rickta59> http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/arm/sam3a.aspx?tab=documents
2017-08-16T19:32:41 < karlp> englishman: just keep reloading,
2017-08-16T19:32:49 < karlp> it's giving me unavailable intermittently here
2017-08-16T19:32:52 < englishman> yeah
2017-08-16T19:32:54 < englishman> anyway got the pdf
2017-08-16T19:33:25 < Rickta59> google site:atmel.com sam3x filetype:pdf
2017-08-16T19:33:33 < karlp> you should look for sam-ba info separately I think
2017-08-16T19:33:43 < englishman> there's some info in there
2017-08-16T19:33:51 < englishman> but most importantly, how do i jump into sam-ba mode?
2017-08-16T19:34:03 < karlp> hrm, I found that somewhere before
2017-08-16T19:34:07 < karlp> there's a pin for it
2017-08-16T19:34:11 < Rickta59> site:atmel.com sam-ba mode filetype:pdf
2017-08-16T19:34:28 < englishman> is there blank chip detection? so it would jump in after ERASE pin is used
2017-08-16T19:34:53 < englishman> Asserting ERASE clears GPNVM bit 1 and thus selects the boot from the ROM by default.
2017-08-16T19:34:55 < englishman> ok ok
2017-08-16T19:35:59 < englishman> so after erase, sam-ba is on usb automatically
2017-08-16T19:36:06 < englishman> no need to TST like some older chip
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2017-08-16T19:43:32 < englishman> damn you steffy http://i.imgur.com/AT0DRAT.jpg
2017-08-16T19:45:25 < Steffanx> how can you live with this englishman?
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2017-08-16T20:02:11 < karlp> check out this footprint: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/murata-electronics-north-america/LBWA1UZ1GC-901/IMP005-1-ND/6051130
2017-08-16T20:02:41 < R0b0t1`> karlp, almost BGA
2017-08-16T20:03:03 < R0b0t1`> There's some staggered or dual row QFN chips, I've seen Lattice Semiconductors (CPLDs, FPGAs) use them
2017-08-16T20:03:18 < R0b0t1`> Those kind of make sense, I'm not sure that thing does. But I'm not the one who designed it.
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2017-08-16T20:05:01 < R0b0t1`> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/murata-electronics-north-america/IMP005-BREAKOUT/490-14326-ND/6468722
2017-08-16T20:05:03 < R0b0t1`> Looks interesting
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2017-08-16T20:17:35 < englishman> designspark is still better than eagle
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2017-08-16T20:21:01 < Steffanx> Altium is still better than designspark
2017-08-16T20:21:15 < Steffanx> [not sure why you mention that]
2017-08-16T20:21:47 < englishman> may be forced to use designspark :(
2017-08-16T20:22:07 < Steffanx> force to.
2017-08-16T20:25:55 < Steffanx> Use lunix like a pro: https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade
2017-08-16T20:26:39 < englishman> heh
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2017-08-16T21:10:19 < zyp> karlp, haha, cute
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2017-08-16T21:27:45 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GkWVChw.gifv
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2017-08-16T21:28:29 < BrainDamage> i have a game whom starts youtube videos when i launch it
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2017-08-16T21:38:54 < Steffanx> lol, englishman .. didnt expect that
2017-08-16T21:39:08 < Steffanx> insurgency does that too BrainDamage, but in-game.
2017-08-16T21:39:20 < Steffanx> even live twitch streams, totally annoying
2017-08-16T21:39:53 < BrainDamage> my hypothesis is that it fucks up the gl context trough shitty drivers, so the tabs reload and autoplay kicks in
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2017-08-16T22:31:22 < Steffanx> hmm, why my browser says googles certificate is invalid :S
2017-08-16T22:31:54 < Steffanx> oh lol, date was wrong
2017-08-16T22:41:38 < zyp> living in the future
2017-08-16T22:41:45 < zyp> or past maybe
2017-08-16T22:57:26 < Steffanx> Yeah. For some reason the date on my macbook was july 1st 2017
2017-08-16T22:57:39 < Steffanx> (havent booted that thing for months)
2017-08-16T23:17:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EnHiAuvi9w tori amos musics
2017-08-16T23:18:22 < kakimir> Steffanx: don't be paranoid.. I'm not crashing to your house with an airplane
2017-08-16T23:21:12 < Steffanx> I was at work ;)
2017-08-16T23:21:44 < kakimir> I'm not crashing an airplane to your work.. I only have your home address
2017-08-16T23:23:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PDlGUdDF8Y older tori amos is better I think
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2017-08-17T00:52:11 < Laurenceb_> this gunna be good http://imgur.com/w7y5S7v
2017-08-17T00:57:33 < kakimir> rip
2017-08-17T01:25:11 < karlp> hrm, buying a new screen, just so I can have the ps4 in my desk.  feels a bit lame looking at only 24" plain hd stuff.
2017-08-17T01:25:19 < karlp> comptuer developments have really slowed down.
2017-08-17T01:50:24 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/5pqVKg.jpg
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2017-08-17T01:56:37 < tpw_rules> i'm the short one on the right of the middle table
2017-08-17T01:56:52 < tpw_rules> karlp: intel's up to their 7th 'lake' processor
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2017-08-17T02:44:07 < englishman> karlp: ps4 as in game station?
2017-08-17T02:44:23 < englishman> surely a 1080p 24" monitor can be had for $50
2017-08-17T02:45:07 < englishman> innovation now is in making up new names for monitors so Asus can charge $900 for a 1440p monitor
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2017-08-17T03:52:17 < R0b0t1_> zyp: I'm not either but apparently they tested it. I think the controller handles clock recovery automatically, and that is probably what makes it compliant.
2017-08-17T03:52:25 < R0b0t1_> The PLL also increases accuracy
2017-08-17T03:52:30 < R0b0t1_> I always found that strange
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2017-08-17T04:04:39 < aandrew> hm?
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2017-08-17T04:41:05 < upgrdman> damn, internet in cn is actually usable today
2017-08-17T04:41:18 < upgrdman> hit 40megabutts/sec a few minutes ago
2017-08-17T04:46:57 < jadew`> I wonder why some TV shows are so bad... are the people making them idiots?
2017-08-17T04:47:21 < jadew`> guy goes to his car and notices the bomb planted inside because it has a fucking blinking LED
2017-08-17T04:49:56 < jadew`> are they retarded or do they think the audience is retarded and can't deal with a more subtle clue?
2017-08-17T04:50:12 < upgrdman> jadew`, HALF of all people are below average.
2017-08-17T04:50:36 < tpw_rules> assuming an unskewed normal
2017-08-17T04:50:52 < upgrdman> if you dont hold their hand and make shit super obvious, the unwashed masses wont understand
2017-08-17T04:51:25 < jadew`> it ruins the freaking show
2017-08-17T04:51:40 < upgrdman> just stop watching tv.
2017-08-17T04:51:45 < upgrdman> makes life much nicer
2017-08-17T04:51:46 < jadew`> good idea
2017-08-17T04:52:02 < upgrdman> get your fix from youtube or pornhub or whatever
2017-08-17T04:52:06 < upgrdman> but tv can fuck right off
2017-08-17T04:55:40 < aandrew> yep I haven't had cable/sat TV in almost 15 years, and haven't had OTA (antenna) in about 8 years. I've got netflix for the kids, and a newsgroup+nzb sub for everything else which goes into Plex
2017-08-17T04:56:02 < aandrew> anything I want, anywhere in the world is a nzb search away, usually through either sickbeard or couchpotato
2017-08-17T04:56:24 < englishman> aandrew = millennial
2017-08-17T04:56:26 < aandrew> fuck commercials, fuck cliffhanger episodes, fuck waiting
2017-08-17T04:56:40 < aandrew> lol I'm 41, I'm no millenial. My oldest kids are millenials
2017-08-17T04:57:04 < jadew`> what's a nzb?
2017-08-17T04:58:28 < aandrew> nzb is kind of the NNTP equivalent of a .torrent file
2017-08-17T04:59:01 < aandrew> it describes content; in the case of NNTP it describes the files on the news servers that make up the content
2017-08-17T05:00:15 < jadew`> what do you recommend, sickbeard or couchpatato?
2017-08-17T05:02:05 < aandrew> both
2017-08-17T05:02:18 < aandrew> sickbeard does tv shows, couch potato does movies
2017-08-17T05:02:24 < jadew`> got it
2017-08-17T05:02:25 < jadew`> thanks
2017-08-17T05:05:22 < aandrew> you're gonna need a search engine too. those cost money, the free ones suck
2017-08-17T05:05:27 < aandrew> I use nzb.su but there are others
2017-08-17T05:05:57 < jadew`> thanks, I'll look into it
2017-08-17T05:06:06 < aandrew> and a binary news server. I think I use supernews
2017-08-17T05:06:18 < aandrew> I typically go for hte high retention ones
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2017-08-17T09:44:05 < fest> I wonder if it's really neccessary to warn IRC users against opening links from random privmsgs
2017-08-17T09:44:17 < fest> I doubt any normies are left on IRC
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2017-08-17T09:46:56 < zyp> you'd be surprised
2017-08-17T09:48:14 < fest> dongs will like this: either my laptop's usb host controller (intel 8 series xhci) or it's lunix driver seems to hang during write to usb-cdc devices after N hours
2017-08-17T09:48:25 < boB_K7IQ> The link was just a .jpg I think. I'm still getting the PMs
2017-08-17T09:48:51 < zyp> fest, haha, what's your problem?
2017-08-17T09:49:01 < fest> not happening on raspberry pi for the same devices and write pattern
2017-08-17T09:49:58 < fest> not sure exactly, just seeing that a python script performing continuous (write command, read response) operations on serial port just hangs at write
2017-08-17T09:50:10 < fest> even when port is opened with write timeout of 1s
2017-08-17T09:52:36 < fest> it's not really a problem in this particular case as I was trying to reproduce another issue but noticed this
2017-08-17T09:52:46 < fest> so now just running the tests on rpi
2017-08-17T09:54:01 < R0b0t1_> zyp: Speaking of an internal oscillator not being accurate enough for USB
2017-08-17T09:54:31 < R0b0t1_> zyp: The USB CDC code fails to register with my Linux workstation ("Device not responding to setup address") but works on Windows
2017-08-17T09:54:45 < R0b0t1_> I met someone else with this issue but with an ATtiny85
2017-08-17T09:59:46 < R0b0t1_> Ah wait, in this case it might be looking for Vbus
2017-08-17T10:05:04 < R0b0t1_> Wait.
2017-08-17T10:05:09 < R0b0t1_> I switched D+ and D-
2017-08-17T10:05:15 < R0b0t1_> Now it looks like it registers
2017-08-17T10:06:13 < R0b0t1_> So I suppose this cable has the wires backwards
2017-08-17T10:06:15 < R0b0t1_> Hmm
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2017-08-17T10:11:43 < R0b0t1_> I am not smart
2017-08-17T10:11:48 < R0b0t1_> I had D+ and D- switched
2017-08-17T10:12:01 < R0b0t1_> No
2017-08-17T10:12:04 < R0b0t1_> I should sleep
2017-08-17T10:12:06 < R0b0t1_> I am confusing myself
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2017-08-17T10:26:47 < Steffanx> Lol freenode
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2017-08-17T10:38:58 < upgrdman> do any real vendors stock the hc06 bt modules? like digicuck, etc.
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2017-08-17T11:00:27 < ohsix> i think i finally met a high functioning autistic dude
2017-08-17T11:00:47 < ohsix> he's a brony and he said that he can't stand bad animation
2017-08-17T11:01:14 < ohsix> and his examples of good animation were implied to be my little pony, friendship is magic; and he offered zootopia and how to train your dragon
2017-08-17T11:01:45 < ohsix> and he hates steven universe / adventure time because it is 'bad' animation
2017-08-17T11:02:10 < ohsix> and miyazaki is good
2017-08-17T11:02:24 < ReadErr> i have no idea what any of this is
2017-08-17T11:02:26 < ohsix> so, we were talking about a bunch of different things but it seemed to go right over his head
2017-08-17T11:03:13 < ohsix> shrug
2017-08-17T11:03:24 < ohsix> i was with the group of people i'd normally talk about someone with
2017-08-17T11:04:01 < ohsix> he offered his opinion on all that shit after someone asked if he was a brony and said his daughters love it hheheheheh
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2017-08-17T11:38:25 < ohsix> howru ReadErr
2017-08-17T11:45:47 < ohsix> oregon is fucking dumb right now
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2017-08-17T12:00:29 < stvn> stvn32
2017-08-17T12:06:20 < stvn> stffn where is ptr
2017-08-17T12:14:24 < zyp> klined like everybody else
2017-08-17T12:14:41 < stvn> hmmm
2017-08-17T12:17:01 < stvn> the p-line
2017-08-17T12:21:21 < stvn> How shall I summon uncle stfn
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2017-08-17T12:25:23 < Steffanx> Better diptrace stvvn
2017-08-17T12:26:48 < stvn> i need altium seat
2017-08-17T12:30:15 < stvn> the diptrace launcher
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2017-08-17T12:34:22 < karlp> fucking klining users wth
2017-08-17T12:35:31 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I can get _a_ 24" mnitor for, (cheapest I can buy on the rock) ~230 CAD
2017-08-17T12:35:47 < karlp> but then it has to go somewhere, so it needs to replace the one I've got on my desk now.
2017-08-17T12:36:35 < karlp> looking at ~400 for one with a usb3 hub and speakers, and actually having dvi/vga/hdmi instead of just a single hdmi
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2017-08-17T12:37:01 < karlp> but yeah, feels like a lot for "a monitor" without even looking at fancy back lighting or high res
2017-08-17T12:37:10 < karlp> I thought our krona was meant to be strong right now...
2017-08-17T12:39:28 < karlp> so... anyone know why freenode klined so many people?
2017-08-17T12:40:29 < PaulFertser> karlp: by mistake trying to fight spam. They've sent a /notice explaining that.
2017-08-17T12:40:37 < daey> i think someone lost his nerves :D
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2017-08-17T12:42:10 < PaulFertser> Apparently IPv6 users weren't affected.
2017-08-17T12:42:40 < zyp> karlp, "staff error led to the majority of the network receiving a temporary K-Line"
2017-08-17T12:42:56 < zyp> guess somebody messed up a filter
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2017-08-17T12:44:17 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/hb0gkcm.jpg
2017-08-17T12:44:20 < stvn> wb
2017-08-17T12:44:25 < karlp> PaulFertser: that must have been sent afterwards, and only for people who rejoined in time.
2017-08-17T12:44:37 < PaulFertser> 04:50 < upgrdman> jadew`, HALF of all people are below average.
2017-08-17T12:44:45 < PaulFertser> ^^ how is that possible?
2017-08-17T12:44:46 < upgrdman> :)
2017-08-17T12:44:53 < karlp> irssi reconnects after connection failure, but apparently just accepts klined as permanent failure and politely sat there doing nothing all night until I came to work
2017-08-17T12:44:54 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, by definition
2017-08-17T12:44:58 < karlp> and it's not in the MOTD either.
2017-08-17T12:45:03 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, the "average" person is in the middle
2017-08-17T12:45:26 < stvn> the chopper stabilised op amp
2017-08-17T12:45:35 < zyp> karlp, yes, some hours ago
2017-08-17T12:45:43 < fest> upgrdman: I think it's half of all people are below median, not average
2017-08-17T12:46:13 < upgrdman> median is a type of average :)
2017-08-17T12:46:23 < upgrdman> average does ONLY mean the... uh, mean.
2017-08-17T12:46:27 < fest> but I took the statistics class very long time ago and didn't particularly excel at it :)
2017-08-17T12:46:53 < upgrdman> mean, median and mode are type of averages
2017-08-17T12:47:58 < karlp> hrm, for most people average == mean, median and mode are related, but not average
2017-08-17T12:48:13 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, did my comment offend? it wasnt meant to. just one of those realizations that blew my mind when i was young
2017-08-17T12:48:27 < upgrdman> karlp, :/ fine
2017-08-17T12:49:37 < upgrdman> "half of all people are below average" and "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission" are some of my favorites.
2017-08-17T12:49:40 < daey> karlp: same here. i thought i finally managed to get banned globally :P
2017-08-17T12:50:12 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: offend me? Of course not. I just got a brainfart thinking about statistics, and still can't really figure it out, but I agree that most people are "stupid".
2017-08-17T12:50:32 < upgrdman> ok cool
2017-08-17T12:53:19 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: say, you have three people with IQ 100 and one with IQ 50. The mean would be 87.5. And I was def. thinking of "mean" when I read "average".
2017-08-17T12:54:02 < PaulFertser> With the "mode" it's even more unlike your initial statement.
2017-08-17T12:54:02 < karlp> globally, I'd expect the mean and the median to be ~same though.
2017-08-17T12:54:11 < karlp> (assuming a non-skewed normal as tpw_rules suggested)
2017-08-17T12:55:02 < stvn> diptrace is a niga
2017-08-17T12:55:23 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, sure
2017-08-17T12:55:47 < upgrdman> but for the human population's ability to be useful, it seems more like a normal distribution to me. no?
2017-08-17T12:56:06 < upgrdman> "useful" encompassing academic, physical, emotional etc
2017-08-17T12:59:11 < PaulFertser> https://www.quora.com/Does-IQ-in-people-follow-a-normal-distribution
2017-08-17T13:00:04 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, ok so close enough ;)
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2017-08-17T13:02:01 < stvn> idk wut iq is
2017-08-17T13:03:06 < upgrdman> intelligence quotient iirc
2017-08-17T13:03:23 < upgrdman> but iirc its not a very good way to quantify people
2017-08-17T13:03:24 < stvn> yeah
2017-08-17T13:03:30 < stvn> well thats what i was thinking
2017-08-17T13:03:43 < stvn> i know a lot about stuff people don't necessarily care about
2017-08-17T13:06:04 < stvn> definition of autism lel
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2017-08-17T13:06:15 < jadew``> sup?
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2017-08-17T13:06:42 < jadew``> what's the definition of autism?
2017-08-17T13:08:23  * stvn waits for a new player to enter
2017-08-17T13:09:09 < jadew``> nvm, took a look at the log, sounds boring
2017-08-17T13:10:23 < jadew``> funny links?
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2017-08-17T13:15:28 < stvn> funny
2017-08-17T13:15:30 < stvn> what is funny
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2017-08-17T13:16:16 < jadew``> a small percentage of what Laurenceb posts
2017-08-17T13:16:39 < jadew``> you got links?
2017-08-17T13:17:38 < jadew``> SFW tho, I'm in a public place
2017-08-17T13:18:15 < stvn> eh?
2017-08-17T13:21:54 < jadew``> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/003/866/nfNeT7YvTozx0cv7ze3mplZpo1_500.gif
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2017-08-17T13:24:59 < dongs> great. i thought i got klined for cp
2017-08-17T13:25:03 < stvn> In light of the wave of spambots sending links to child pornography images, we have chosen to update our default umodes to include +R
2017-08-17T13:25:05 < stvn> wtf
2017-08-17T13:25:13 < stvn> jesus dongs
2017-08-17T13:25:16 < stvn> perfect joining time
2017-08-17T13:25:17 < dongs> crt, have you been busy
2017-08-17T13:25:22 < stvn> yes
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2017-08-17T13:25:48 < stvn> this week has been a wave of repairs which have 'been somewhere else'
2017-08-17T13:25:57 < dongs> arent those great
2017-08-17T13:25:59 < stvn> so unfucking other niggerwork
2017-08-17T13:26:02 < dongs> 'here, fix this shit for me'
2017-08-17T13:26:03 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-17T13:26:03 < stvn> yeah.
2017-08-17T13:26:04 < stvn> fantastic.
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2017-08-17T13:28:42 < stvn> is weev bored again?
2017-08-17T13:29:06 < upgrdman> stvn, do you charge hourly or fixed rate?
2017-08-17T13:29:37 < stvn> depends
2017-08-17T13:30:11 < stvn> i don't undercharge but i don't rip off
2017-08-17T13:30:28 < stvn> eg, if i spend 2hrs doing something which should have taken a more experienced tech 1hr
2017-08-17T13:30:32 < stvn> i will charge 1hr
2017-08-17T13:31:13 < dongs> looks like me 10g patch cable is here
2017-08-17T13:31:15 < stvn> not going to charge due to lack of experience on a particular item which is common
2017-08-17T13:31:20 < dongs> time to see if my storage server will boot after powerdown
2017-08-17T13:31:20 < stvn> neat
2017-08-17T13:31:27 < stvn> hmm
2017-08-17T13:31:58 < stvn> amusingly my latest client just got charged $600 for something which should have cost maybe $200 tops
2017-08-17T13:32:51 < stvn> CDJ2000 jog repair - parts $150 tops, labour maybe $100 tops
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2017-08-17T13:38:06 < stvn> considering i used to work for the fuckmuppet charging $600, it'll be great to ask about what was done in the repair
2017-08-17T13:38:34 < karlp> heh, speaking of repairs....
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2017-08-17T13:38:44 < karlp> got most of the exhaust replaced ont eh car the other day.
2017-08-17T13:38:52 < karlp> this morning, strange rattling in the hood.
2017-08-17T13:38:57 < stvn> how old is the car?
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2017-08-17T13:39:18 < karlp> the rear cover for the headlight was detached and stuck in the fan, making a terrible noise
2017-08-17T13:39:29 < stvn> nice
2017-08-17T13:39:42 < karlp> that rear cover only comes off if you're unscrewing the headlight units completely.
2017-08-17T13:39:50 < stvn> makes you wonder
2017-08-17T13:39:52 < karlp> no idea why the exhaust guys would have been there.
2017-08-17T13:40:04 < stvn> too many fumes bro
2017-08-17T13:40:09 < karlp> haven't had any headlights worked on on this car at all.
2017-08-17T13:40:26 < karlp> can't really think of going back tot he exhaust guys and guying, "wth"
2017-08-17T13:40:37 < karlp> they'd presumably just go, "why the fuck would we have been dicking around with your headlights"
2017-08-17T13:41:25 < karlp> just bizzare finding it like that.
2017-08-17T13:41:37 < invzim> and back, hate messing with irssi
2017-08-17T13:41:40 < karlp> car's a 2005
2017-08-17T13:43:28 < zyp> karlp, heh
2017-08-17T13:45:11 < stvn> perhaps some correlation to the dj deck i received which had a drink spill, with a melted CD loader and laser pickup melted to bits
2017-08-17T13:47:24 < stvn> this was 4 hours ago
2017-08-17T13:47:34 < karlp> like, I can't even put this cover back on without removing the entire headlight assembly.
2017-08-17T13:47:51 < stvn> you give somebody a screwdriver....
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2017-08-17T13:59:36 < dongs> downlold'in 10gbe win2008 r2 drivers
2017-08-17T13:59:44 < dongs> looks liek box came back up even without a monitor attached
2017-08-17T13:59:46 < dongs> thats windows for you
2017-08-17T14:00:02 < dongs> i am afraid to touch esxi machine beacuse every time it reboots theres no guarantee anything will be the same
2017-08-17T14:00:28 < dongs> \\FUHRER has been up for: 721 day(s), 22 hour(s), 7 minute(s), 23 second(s)
2017-08-17T14:00:30 < dongs> thats windows for you
2017-08-17T14:00:33 < dongs> taken right before shutdown
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2017-08-17T14:31:56 < Laurenceb> hi trolls
2017-08-17T14:32:33 < Laurenceb> so who was in Charlottesville?
2017-08-17T14:34:25 < Laurenceb> I'm guessing dongs cuz we all know he is actually weev
2017-08-17T14:35:44 < dongs> cool, 10gb network is operational
2017-08-17T14:35:55 < dongs> i can rape storage box from several machines at 1gbit and its working
2017-08-17T14:36:08 < Laurenceb> storage jihad
2017-08-17T14:36:13 < dongs> yar
2017-08-17T14:36:17 < zyp> nice
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2017-08-17T15:07:28 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/DXvyXh4
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2017-08-17T15:16:56 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/nqFl6US
2017-08-17T15:16:57 < Laurenceb> wew
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2017-08-17T15:17:45 < dongs> found zyp's post
2017-08-17T15:21:02 < zyp> hmm?
2017-08-17T15:21:35 < jpa-> ah yeah, that's why he was asking about distances and places in iceland where no-one visits
2017-08-17T15:21:45 < zyp> wat?
2017-08-17T15:21:52 < zyp> oh, Laurenceb link
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2017-08-17T15:27:30 < Laurenceb> I'm working next to dodgy hotel
2017-08-17T15:27:37 < Laurenceb> try checking craigslist
2017-08-17T15:27:46 < Laurenceb> yup its hooker central
2017-08-17T15:28:15 < Laurenceb> I should set up a webcam to see if I can recognise any of the customers
2017-08-17T15:28:54 < sync_> pfft
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2017-08-17T15:36:36 < Laurenceb> wew there are PhD students working as hookers
2017-08-17T15:36:42 < Laurenceb> never saw that happening
2017-08-17T15:37:40 < Laurenceb> wtf theres an Iranian PhD guy I know on craigslist
2017-08-17T15:37:55 < Laurenceb>  "full Persian service for the older lady"
2017-08-17T15:38:02  * Laurenceb voms
2017-08-17T15:39:10 < jadew`> Laurenceb, how do you know they're PhD students?
2017-08-17T15:39:23 < Laurenceb> cuz I've seen them on campus
2017-08-17T15:39:40 < Laurenceb> and there is are uni web pages with photos of the students
2017-08-17T15:40:07 < jadew`> LGGBDTTTIQQAAPPH?
2017-08-17T15:40:31 < Laurenceb> pretty bigoted tbh
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2017-08-17T15:40:43 < Laurenceb> what if you sexually identify as a geothermal power station
2017-08-17T15:41:13 < jadew`> I think they should have a contraption rule
2017-08-17T15:41:24 < jadew`> so double letters get mentioned only once
2017-08-17T15:42:14 < jadew`> or better yet, they should just do it the programming way
2017-08-17T15:42:16 < jadew`> !normal
2017-08-17T15:42:18 < Laurenceb> maybe just a hash of the whole thing in hex
2017-08-17T15:43:14 < Laurenceb> ah Iranian guy is Bi, explains why he wanted me to oil his body
2017-08-17T15:43:34 < Laurenceb>  "hey would you like to oil my body?"
2017-08-17T15:43:48 < Laurenceb> me: "nah ur ok, btw thats a bit weird m8"
2017-08-17T15:44:06 < jadew`> he was probably expecting a quote
2017-08-17T15:44:26 < Laurenceb> lulyup
2017-08-17T15:45:00 < Laurenceb> for a second I thought maybe it was normal in Iran
2017-08-17T15:47:30 < Laurenceb> craiglist is memetic
2017-08-17T15:47:38 < Laurenceb>  "Looking for a young guy, age between 25-35, preferably black, to fuck my wife. "
2017-08-17T15:48:33 < Laurenceb> now I know where 4chan get their memes from
2017-08-17T15:48:36 < jadew`> after that ad, I think she's set for life
2017-08-17T15:49:09 < jadew`> he's not eve picky on color, it's just "preferably black", so... not mandatory
2017-08-17T15:49:55 < jadew`> Laurenceb, I'd go for it, just make sure you wear 2 condoms and cover your face
2017-08-17T15:50:02 < jadew`> I bet they have cameras
2017-08-17T15:50:10 < Laurenceb> yeah I'll use shoe polish
2017-08-17T15:50:13 < englishman> he's only 12 tho
2017-08-17T15:50:13 < Laurenceb> should pass
2017-08-17T15:50:16 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-08-17T15:50:47 < Laurenceb> "I will be watching from the side of the bed"
2017-08-17T15:50:49 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2017-08-17T15:52:45 < Laurenceb> somehow I think 99% of craigslist is 4chan trolls
2017-08-17T15:52:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs-2NUC9jjA
2017-08-17T15:52:59 < dongs> found Laurenceb theme song
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2017-08-17T16:26:09 < Laurenceb> anyone here used nuttx?
2017-08-17T16:27:44 < jpa-> .. me
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2017-08-17T16:36:10 < Laurenceb> how hard would it be to add usb audio host drivers?
2017-08-17T16:37:17 < dongs> host? to do what
2017-08-17T16:39:13 < jpa-> well.. nuttx somehow makes a horrible mess out of stm32 usb.. just look at this file  https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/nuttx/src/9db4350097bedfd1ac6dd8b3b2c15a54c4a1586c/arch/arm/src/stm32/stm32_otgfshost.c?at=master&fileviewer=file-view-default
2017-08-17T16:40:16 < dongs> "FAR"?
2017-08-17T16:40:19 < dongs> what the fuck!?
2017-08-17T16:40:34 < dongs> in what fucking architecture does nonsense liek taht still makes sense
2017-08-17T16:40:40 < dongs> i remember FAR pointer shit was something in liek 16bit windows
2017-08-17T16:40:41 < jpa-> 8051, probably
2017-08-17T16:40:55 < Laurenceb> host to allow usb audio devices to be connected
2017-08-17T16:40:56 < jpa-> what it's doing in a stm32-specific driver? no idea
2017-08-17T16:41:24 < Laurenceb> hmm chibios actually looks nicer
2017-08-17T16:41:50 < dongs> jpa, does shittx support more than 32bit systems or somethign
2017-08-17T16:41:56 < dongs> like, does it really run on 8051
2017-08-17T16:42:04 < jpa-> yeah, it does AFAIK
2017-08-17T16:42:09 < dongs> griss
2017-08-17T16:42:12 < dongs> gross
2017-08-17T16:42:25 < jpa-> https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/nuttx/src/9db4350097bedfd1ac6dd8b3b2c15a54c4a1586c/arch/z80/?at=master   well z80 atleast
2017-08-17T16:43:00 < dongs> haha. fucking retards.
2017-08-17T16:44:41 < Laurenceb> eww
2017-08-17T16:44:47 < Laurenceb> would rather use chibios
2017-08-17T16:45:13 < jpa-> yeah, i'd recommend chibios also if it has everything you need
2017-08-17T16:45:49 < Laurenceb> I've used chibios on lots of previous projects
2017-08-17T16:46:33 < jpa-> hmm, ran ohcount on nuttx tree; 1022433 lines of code, not counting comments/blank lines
2017-08-17T16:48:36 < Laurenceb> woah
2017-08-17T16:48:44 < dongs> autism
2017-08-17T16:48:48 < dongs> right ther, folks
2017-08-17T16:48:53 < jpa-> it's shockingly full of copypasta
2017-08-17T16:49:13 < Laurenceb> yet horribly user unfriendly
2017-08-17T16:49:25 < Laurenceb> chibios i seem to have a hope of interacting with
2017-08-17T16:49:33 < Laurenceb> nuttx is almost as bad as lunix source
2017-08-17T16:50:30 < dongs> it literally is lunix
2017-08-17T16:50:36 < dongs> cuz it has all that posix faggotry in it
2017-08-17T16:50:44 < dongs> everythign is a fail, etc
2017-08-17T17:03:29 < Laurenceb> I tried to read lunix device drivers once
2017-08-17T17:03:34 < Laurenceb> got eye aids
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2017-08-17T17:23:15 < Laurenceb> anyone here know anything about lunix printing?
2017-08-17T17:23:27  * Laurenceb is trying to connect to a print server
2017-08-17T17:23:38 < dongs> hahahahahahahahaha
2017-08-17T17:23:40 < BrainDamage> yes: don't
2017-08-17T17:23:43 < dongs> nice joke guy
2017-08-17T17:24:05 < dongs> best one in a while, Laurenceb
2017-08-17T17:24:11 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-08-17T17:24:20 < Laurenceb> lpadmin: Unable to connect to server: Bad file descriptor
2017-08-17T17:24:22 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2017-08-17T17:24:45 < BrainDamage> are you connecting toa local or remote server?
2017-08-17T17:24:56 < BrainDamage> for local, you need to add yourself to a group
2017-08-17T17:25:19 < BrainDamage> ... which is named lp for some idiotic reason
2017-08-17T17:25:30 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-17T17:25:35 < Laurenceb> cups isnt running
2017-08-17T17:25:36 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-08-17T17:26:05 < BrainDamage> and you need lpadmin if you want to be able to edit print settings without root
2017-08-17T17:26:55 < Laurenceb> this is giving new meaning to broken
2017-08-17T17:27:36 < Laurenceb> wow
2017-08-17T17:27:46 < Laurenceb> internal server error at localhost:631
2017-08-17T17:27:57 < Laurenceb> fail singularity
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2017-08-17T17:36:50 < Laurenceb> shit makes no sense
2017-08-17T17:37:02 < Laurenceb> cups is up at localhost but admin page wont load
2017-08-17T17:37:32 < Laurenceb> cupsctrl fails
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2017-08-17T18:33:40 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/UniformEthicalJapanesebeetle
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2017-08-17T18:40:25 < dongs> what the shit are tehy selling
2017-08-17T18:40:28 < dongs> is that cat litter
2017-08-17T18:41:22 < dongs> oh, there's actually <title>
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2017-08-17T19:10:35 < Steffanx> No breaking news this time dongs ?
2017-08-17T19:11:44 < englishman> Laurenceb: looks like il have a project for mouse telemetry
2017-08-17T19:11:59 < Laurenceb> interesting plan
2017-08-17T19:12:37 < Steffanx> Will it include a brain link englishman ?
2017-08-17T19:12:51 < englishman> apparently yes
2017-08-17T19:12:57 < aandrew> mouse telemetry?
2017-08-17T19:13:05 < aandrew> like you're strapping an IMU on a mouse and letting it run around?
2017-08-17T19:13:21 < englishman> like horse telemetry but smaller and squeekier
2017-08-17T19:13:44 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll
2017-08-17T19:13:53 < Laurenceb> 4 realz?
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2017-08-17T19:14:45 < englishman> yea
2017-08-17T19:15:40 < Steffanx> Who would need that and why
2017-08-17T19:15:46 < Laurenceb> brain link?!
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2017-08-17T19:25:06 < englishman> some research shit man i dono
2017-08-17T19:27:01 < tpw_rules> https://www.aisec.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/aisec/ResearchExcellence/woot17-paper-obermaier.pdf
2017-08-17T19:27:07 < karlp> are the shakes directly or quadractically proportional to the amount of drugs we've given the mice
2017-08-17T19:27:38 < karlp> probe them up! collect the data quantitatively! say no to bored RAs saying, "yeah, it's trembling a lot"
2017-08-17T19:29:39 < BrainDamage> they are just doing trial runs to eventually develop a human prototype
2017-08-17T19:30:03 < BrainDamage> the dev will be eventually the first forced user in a sort of poetic justice
2017-08-17T19:35:44 < Thorn> englishman will need an ultra fine anal electrode for his project
2017-08-17T19:35:50 < Thorn> or a very experienced mouse
2017-08-17T19:36:54 < BrainDamage> is that where your brain is located?
2017-08-17T19:37:12 < englishman> it's how i access it
2017-08-17T19:40:13 < tpw_rules> that paper is great. tl;dr on stm32f0 in RDP level 1, you can still sometimes read flash out of the debugger. and also sram is never cleared so you can read fun bits from sram, or snapshot during a checksum procedure to derive the flash. also exposing the die to UV light for a few minutes will switch from RDP 2 to 1
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2017-08-17T19:57:15 < Thorn> can you play full hd video in chrome (chromium?) on rpi without stuttering?
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2017-08-17T19:58:51 < dongs> lol?
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2017-08-17T20:04:39 < Thorn> apparently people do kiosk style applications on rpi using chromium in kiosk mode and it includes playing videos
2017-08-17T20:06:23 < BrainDamage> not rpi1
2017-08-17T20:06:28 < BrainDamage> it only has mpeg2
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2017-08-17T20:20:25 < Laurenceb> heh number of ppl in #nuttx versus #chibios
2017-08-17T20:26:35 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/vlh3Umq
2017-08-17T20:27:52 < PaulFertser> Your new bf?
2017-08-17T20:28:41 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2017-08-17T20:29:31 < dongs> https://www.bing.com/az/hprichbg/rb/GoldenHorn_EN-US12930138012_1920x1080.jpg retweeting
2017-08-17T20:29:43 < Laurenceb> https://pics.me.me/paul-joseph-watson-following-prison-planet-about-to-check-out-7919611.png
2017-08-17T20:29:48 < dongs> Laurenceb: unfunny
2017-08-17T20:29:51 < dongs> focus on my link first
2017-08-17T20:31:32 < PaulFertser> tpw_rules: thanks for the link!
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2017-08-17T20:35:01 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: see the nazi guy crying
2017-08-17T20:37:22 < englishman> what are we looking at here dong
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2017-08-17T20:38:06 < englishman> in this barely viewable 2MP image
2017-08-17T20:39:05 < englishman> theres an interesting sort of sand castle
2017-08-17T20:39:33 < dongs> englishman: youre looking for dongs, literally
2017-08-17T20:39:39 < englishman> more than one?
2017-08-17T20:39:43 < dongs> no, just one
2017-08-17T20:39:51 < englishman> yeah got the dong castle
2017-08-17T20:39:53 < englishman> viewable from space
2017-08-17T20:40:00 < dongs> ^_-
2017-08-17T20:40:15 < dongs> what is it with vans running into crowds lately
2017-08-17T20:40:20 < dongs> is it a new meme
2017-08-17T20:40:24 < englishman> https://twitter.com/johannesblom/status/898212056310132737
2017-08-17T20:40:25 < dongs> some BREAKING shit in barcelona
2017-08-17T20:40:34 < englishman> old
2017-08-17T20:41:36 < Laurenceb> maybe explains the vans t-shirts
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2017-08-17T20:55:39 < PaulFertser> Hm, the RDP2 downgrade attack is funny in a way. How did they manage to fuck it up in such a silly way?
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2017-08-17T21:01:40 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/AkMh6sJ
2017-08-17T21:01:55 < Steffanx> learn to screenshot
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2017-08-17T21:11:38 < englishman> tradeoff between making RDP2 difficult to enable accidentally, and the security of RDP2
2017-08-17T21:12:10 < englishman> although its assumed that it blew some efuse. i guess that is not true
2017-08-17T21:13:25 < englishman> yeah they go over that
2017-08-17T21:13:26 < englishman> fail
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2017-08-17T21:30:05 < Steffanx> damn Laurenceb, who is the sexy guy on the right in the pic you posted http://imgur.com/a/InwBB ?
2017-08-17T21:30:38 < Laurenceb> the guy who is behind the scenes with Alex Jones
2017-08-17T21:30:46 < Laurenceb> his producer
2017-08-17T21:31:07 < Steffanx> no, alll the way to the right.
2017-08-17T21:31:26 < Laurenceb> oh wtf
2017-08-17T21:31:30 < Laurenceb> well played
2017-08-17T21:32:57 < Steffanx> :P
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2017-08-17T22:13:30 < englishman> lol
2017-08-17T22:20:18 < englishman> pal in another chan is attempting rdp1 readout via swd right now
2017-08-17T22:34:35 < Steffanx> how can that pal not be in the bestest channel ##stm32?
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2017-08-17T23:02:48 < Steffanx> In the paper they use a relay for the CBS, but wouldnt a relay cause yitter due to the mechanical switching + contact bounce?
2017-08-17T23:03:20 < kakimir> well fuck me.. what did just happen all my channels parted
2017-08-17T23:03:30 < Steffanx> you got k-lined
2017-08-17T23:03:31 < kakimir> "K-Lined"
2017-08-17T23:03:45 < kakimir> must be evil
2017-08-17T23:03:57 < Steffanx> read your freenodem essages
2017-08-17T23:04:05 < Steffanx> + enable auto reconnect/join
2017-08-17T23:05:13 < kakimir> "Spam is off topic on freenode"
2017-08-17T23:05:31 < kakimir> but same thing happend on every network I was on
2017-08-17T23:05:48 < kakimir> seamingly same time
2017-08-17T23:05:59 < kakimir> or at least in few networks
2017-08-17T23:06:32 < kakimir> "Spam is off topic.." fair enought.. but did they plow Laurenceb too?
2017-08-17T23:09:40 < kakimir> there are nicks k-lined that have done seemingly nothing wrong
2017-08-17T23:10:37 < Steffanx> yes
2017-08-17T23:12:27 < kakimir> is k-lined like a warning shot?
2017-08-17T23:13:53 < Steffanx> no
2017-08-17T23:14:09 < Steffanx> [kline] [global notice] Additionally, while working to minimise this spam, staff error led to the majority of the network receiving a temporary K-Line (network ban). The ban has since been lifted and those affected should be able to reconnect. Please accept our apologies, and contact us if you, or someone you know, still cannot connect.
2017-08-17T23:15:26 < kakimir> freenode - please rejoin my channels for me
2017-08-17T23:23:20 < Steffanx> learn 2 auto-join kakimir
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2017-08-17T23:25:08 < kakimir> no Steffanx
2017-08-17T23:25:24 < Steffanx> You are never to old to learn mr millenial.
2017-08-17T23:27:09 < kakimir> I'm too lazy to autojoin.. you know
2017-08-17T23:27:45 < kakimir> there is good cleanup of irc windows every now and then
2017-08-17T23:28:04 < kakimir> if you don't remember it - you don't need it
2017-08-17T23:28:16 < kakimir> one of my basic rules
2017-08-17T23:28:24 < zyp> every time I restart my irc client I realize I've forgot to update my autojoin list
2017-08-17T23:28:47 < kakimir> your list is from 2011 rigth?
2017-08-17T23:29:35 < zyp> couple of years newer
2017-08-17T23:29:41 < Steffanx> are you still in #bumbleb zyp? :D
2017-08-17T23:29:48 < zyp> no
2017-08-17T23:30:31 < Steffanx> Good old times
2017-08-17T23:30:54 < zyp> only in 16 channels now, (of which one is missing from the autojoin list)
2017-08-17T23:31:00 < zyp> probably could have removed a couple
2017-08-17T23:32:26 < karlp> hrm, I'm only in about 9-10 permanenttly.
2017-08-17T23:34:54 < zyp> probably enough
2017-08-17T23:36:54 < zyp> three of the channels I'm in are pretty much dead (i.e. users moved elsewhere or just disappeared)
2017-08-17T23:38:19 < zyp> and a couple more I don't really participate in
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2017-08-17T23:40:01 < kakimir> about dozen
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2017-08-17T23:47:29 < qyx> I can never decide whether to use 3.5mm or 3.81mm terminal block headers
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2017-08-17T23:49:52 < Steffanx> The cheapest
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2017-08-17T23:50:34 < kakimir> 3,5mm or 3,81mm what are these anyways?
2017-08-17T23:50:53 < zyp> pitches
2017-08-17T23:51:07 < zyp> (I assume)
2017-08-17T23:51:19 < kakimir> yes
2017-08-17T23:51:29 < kakimir> but why would you use such
2017-08-17T23:51:54 < kakimir> isn't it 2,00 2,54 or 5,08 or 5mm
2017-08-17T23:51:59 < kakimir> usually
2017-08-17T23:52:35 < zyp> 2mm pitch screw terminals sounds awfully small
2017-08-17T23:52:42 < zyp> I've used 2.54 and they are awfully small
2017-08-17T23:52:48 < kakimir> I have never seen 2.0
2017-08-17T23:53:01 < qyx> I have used 2.54mm wago cage clamps
2017-08-17T23:53:20 < qyx> but I meant screw or plug terminals
2017-08-17T23:53:31 < qyx> phoenix contact doesn't do 3.5mm for example
2017-08-17T23:53:43 < kakimir> best tool to turn scanner .jpgs into nice pdf document?
2017-08-17T23:53:59 < qyx> convert sca.jpg scan.pdf
2017-08-17T23:54:22 < kakimir> just rename yves?
2017-08-17T23:54:33 < zyp> convert is imagemagick
2017-08-17T23:54:50 < kakimir> oh
2017-08-17T23:54:54 < kakimir> interesting
2017-08-17T23:54:59 < kakimir> I have it
2017-08-17T23:55:08 < qyx> https://askubuntu.com/questions/493584/convert-images-to-pdf
2017-08-17T23:55:11 < qyx> see the third answer
2017-08-17T23:55:16 < kakimir> can I put multiple photos to become multiple pdf pages?
2017-08-17T23:55:27 < qyx> yes
2017-08-17T23:55:40 < qyx> but without ocr obviously
2017-08-17T23:57:01 < qyx> doing a synchronously rectified flyback 36-72V -> 5V for stm32
2017-08-17T23:57:17 < qyx> I wonder what will be the efficiency
2017-08-17T23:57:47 < qyx> with LT3748 + LT8309
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2017-08-18T00:08:19 < kakimir> if I scan in A4 mode I get A4 pages to pdf from conversion?
2017-08-18T00:11:13 < kakimir> exact pages not something about the size
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2017-08-18T01:15:36 < karlp> qyx: 3.5 and 3.81mm plugs/sockets actually _sorta_ fit together if you push hard enough.  (not that I'd really recommend it)
2017-08-18T01:16:00 < karlp> phoenix does do 3.5mm for some of their lines, but not all their lines.
2017-08-18T01:16:15 < karlp> we use a 3.5mm part that's available form phoenix/molex/dongs.
2017-08-18T01:18:43 < qyx> mhm, I could't find those MC 1.5 parts with 3.5mm pitch
2017-08-18T01:18:55 < qyx> but it seems that they does exist
2017-08-18T01:19:29 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azr5eOKiXCA office chairs
2017-08-18T01:21:59 < ohsix> what's new, been busy
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2017-08-18T01:28:21 < kakimir> nuThin
2017-08-18T01:28:50 < karlp> qyx: dude, they're like even on farnell: http://uk.farnell.com/c/connectors/terminal-blocks-accessories/pluggable-terminal-blocks?pitch-spacing=3.5mm
2017-08-18T01:28:54 < karlp> look harder...
2017-08-18T01:29:33 < qyx> nah meh
2017-08-18T01:29:35 < karlp> we had no real reason for choosing 3.5 over 3.81 other than the fact that 3.81 just sounds dumb
2017-08-18T01:30:04 < qyx> it depends
2017-08-18T01:30:07 < qyx> much imperial
2017-08-18T01:30:12 < karlp> fuck imperial
2017-08-18T01:30:26 < karlp> are you working with an existing product? choice is already made.
2017-08-18T01:31:00 < karlp> what's the real question?
2017-08-18T01:31:16 < karlp> I'm not entirely sure those connectors are good anyway.
2017-08-18T01:34:05 < qyx> thats another question
2017-08-18T01:35:00 < qyx> usually industrial customers require screw or clamp terminals to be able to service it onsite
2017-08-18T01:35:37 < qyx> and at the same time they like the plugging concept to be able to replace the whole device without disconnecting the wires one-by-one
2017-08-18T01:35:47 < ohsix> h3h
2017-08-18T01:36:34 < qyx> the world is polluted by those terminals
2017-08-18T01:37:18 < karlp> yeah, tell me about it.
2017-08-18T01:37:28 < qyx> and the real question is more like of a conceptual type
2017-08-18T01:37:35 < qyx> so fuck it
2017-08-18T01:56:39 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/3RZF-8.jpg
2017-08-18T02:16:08 < karlp> hrm, I thought I could queue a 200k write with libusb/pyusb and the host would take care ofit.
2017-08-18T02:16:18 < karlp> but it seemed to have only written about 60k of it
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2017-08-18T02:41:38 < karlp> anywya, wireshark to the rescue again :)
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2017-08-18T04:17:28 < ohsix> anyone around that can get stuff off pudn?
2017-08-18T04:17:30 < ohsix> read.pudn.com/downloads48/ebook/163621/OLED/oled_ritdisplay.pdf
2017-08-18T04:17:33 < ohsix> halp
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2017-08-18T04:34:19 < tpw_rules> it just says connection reset for me
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2017-08-18T05:50:21 < dongs> d o n g s
2017-08-18T05:51:17 < dongs> nie
2017-08-18T05:52:13 < dongs> you should try captouch stuff on it. its so neat
2017-08-18T05:52:24 < englishman> did you finally get that working
2017-08-18T05:52:28 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-18T05:52:42 < dongs> including multiple channel scanning
2017-08-18T05:52:45 < englishman> did it turn out to be completely trivial and work gr8
2017-08-18T05:52:51 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-18T05:52:56 < englishman> yeah tsc is awesum
2017-08-18T05:52:59 < dongs> i didnt evne have to fuck with that charge cap value
2017-08-18T05:53:02 < dongs> 47nF worked just fine
2017-08-18T05:53:13 < englishman> yeah pretty flexible periph
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2017-08-18T06:01:55 < dongs> oh for fucks sake. chrome crashed while changing IME
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2017-08-18T06:40:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/pcb-layout/would-like-hire-pcb-layout-14959388/ R2COM found job for you
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2017-08-18T07:27:58 < R0b0t1_> I looked at freelancer a long time ago dongs
2017-08-18T07:28:01 < R0b0t1_> Is it a good website?
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2017-08-18T07:53:02 < dongs> its great
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2017-08-18T08:06:00 < englishman> NLAS7242MUTBG
2017-08-18T08:06:05 < englishman> ive had to resolder like 1/2 of these
2017-08-18T08:06:12 < englishman> always an open circuit somewhere
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2017-08-18T08:18:05 < upgrdman> any of you pros used the RTL8710?
2017-08-18T08:23:08 < dongs> RTL8710 WiFi Module - Arduino - Seeed Studio
2017-08-18T08:23:08 < dongs> https://www.seeedstudio.com › Wireless › Wifi
2017-08-18T08:23:09 < dongs> $3.99 - ‎In stock
2017-08-18T08:23:10 < dongs> looks legit
2017-08-18T08:23:17 < dongs> upgrdman: when you were dicking with your self-balancing trash
2017-08-18T08:23:23 < dongs> is there a limit how high it can be
2017-08-18T08:23:27 < dongs> before it tips over anyway
2017-08-18T08:23:32 < dongs> like, is there any cg requirement for that shit
2017-08-18T08:23:34 < upgrdman> dongs, also, that module is pin compativlwe with esp12e lol
2017-08-18T08:23:44 < upgrdman> dongs, higher CG is actually better
2017-08-18T08:23:59 < dongs> upgrdman: oh wow @ RTL
2017-08-18T08:24:08 < upgrdman> im sure theres a non-linear relationship, but not sure how high is too high
2017-08-18T08:24:38 < dongs> does it have proper jtag/swd??
2017-08-18T08:24:56 < upgrdman> i saw the rtl8710 in one of our schematics at work, and i might use it in one of my work projects. not sure how decent or bad it is tho. will order a couple from digicuck and see.
2017-08-18T08:25:11 < upgrdman> dongs, still downloading the sdk. not sure.
2017-08-18T08:25:39 < dongs> ok let me know
2017-08-18T08:25:44 < upgrdman> will do.
2017-08-18T08:25:55 < dongs> about to use ESP14/88 in IdiOT proj and would rather not
2017-08-18T08:26:09 < dongs> no debugging = no deal
2017-08-18T08:26:10 < dongs> anyway
2017-08-18T08:26:12 < dongs> about CG
2017-08-18T08:26:25 < dongs> so the wheels would need better tractioN? or wat
2017-08-18T08:26:48 < upgrdman> supposedly it has arm dap debug over usb. but i see no usb pins in pinout, so maybe it was some middleman pcb to do usb->something->cmsisDap
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2017-08-18T08:28:07 < upgrdman> fucking cn internet
2017-08-18T08:28:09 < upgrdman> dongs, imagine balancing a stick vertically on your finger. a short stick is impossible ot balance. a meter stick is easy.
2017-08-18T08:28:59 < upgrdman> i never had a problem with traction. just wheel speed being my limit, so im using rc servos they can only spin so fast.
2017-08-18T08:29:22 < upgrdman> s/so/because
2017-08-18T08:29:55 < dongs> mhm okay
2017-08-18T08:30:45 < upgrdman> i saw some youtube video of some university developing a ~2meter tall balancing robot
2017-08-18T08:30:55 < upgrdman> it balanced on a ball iirc
2017-08-18T08:31:07 < upgrdman> and looked SUPER stable, no joke.
2017-08-18T08:35:49 < upgrdman> dongs, this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BtDuzu2WeI
2017-08-18T08:36:24 < upgrdman> 1m0s shows it
2017-08-18T08:38:40 < dongs> upgrdman: how does this kinda shit works if its kicked
2017-08-18T08:38:46 < dongs> or rather tilted beyond a few degrees
2017-08-18T08:39:09 < upgrdman> works fine, it speed up in the direction necessary to rebalance
2017-08-18T08:39:34 < upgrdman> my shit robot can tolerate about 10 degrees off axis easily.
2017-08-18T08:39:58 < upgrdman> and i config'd my logic to stop trying and just fall over ifthe angle is >30degrees-ish
2017-08-18T08:40:17 < upgrdman> maybe 40ish degrees. dont remember.
2017-08-18T08:41:55 < upgrdman> dongs, it behaves kinda like this  https://youtu.be/poWP-RpPa3g?t=105
2017-08-18T08:43:24 < upgrdman> and this is the robot that inspired me to make mine. pretty neat, but it DOES use an arduino   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28C_JqVhGU
2017-08-18T08:45:25 < jpa-> i'd be more worried about tresholds, mat edges etc.
2017-08-18T08:46:04 < upgrdman> with wheel encoders those problems pretty much go away
2017-08-18T08:46:27 < upgrdman> but i didnt care enough to do that
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2017-08-18T10:20:17 < dongs> damn Ultrasauce
2017-08-18T10:20:21 < dongs> err upgrpdman
2017-08-18T10:20:22 < dongs> that link is pro
2017-08-18T10:23:54 < fest> I made a prototype for ~1.5m stick with a tablet at the end of the stick with brushless motor, VESC drivers with magnetic encoder feedback
2017-08-18T10:26:46 < fest> angular stability was good enough with cascaded PID controller but position/velocity control didn't work too good, most likely due to being very non-linear system
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2017-08-18T12:10:40 < ohsix> boop
2017-08-18T12:42:23 < zyp> severe lack of chats today
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2017-08-18T12:43:11 < kakimir> I should get back on coding
2017-08-18T12:43:29 < kakimir> *kicadin
2017-08-18T12:46:15 < kakimir> something nice about waking up early and taking a huge mug of coffee to computer desk and start kicaddin
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2017-08-18T12:48:40 < kakimir> it's slowly gets cold and keep sipping it
2017-08-18T12:50:17 < Steffanx> Have some chats zyp ?
2017-08-18T13:00:25 < kakimir> lets repair rc plane wing before I need to go back to work
2017-08-18T13:01:36 < kakimir> ;) jk. I'm too lazy
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2017-08-18T13:03:15 < Steffanx> Skyhook?
2017-08-18T13:05:04 < zyp> Steffanx, gimme some chats
2017-08-18T13:05:21 < ohsix> lorem ipsum dolor amet
2017-08-18T13:06:25 < ohsix> so
2017-08-18T13:06:36 < ohsix> gotta get ham license so i can help with some search and rescue shit
2017-08-18T13:09:30 < karlp> there'sa  dude here who was in the paper recently as the s&r dudes "drone expert"
2017-08-18T13:09:39 < karlp> been doing drony things with them since 2008 or something
2017-08-18T13:14:25 < Steffanx> Arent you this modbus pro karlp? Any must use tools to test?
2017-08-18T13:14:56 < Steffanx> I liked this modbus poll, so simple, but effective and non-free
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2017-08-18T13:56:08 < karlp> what are you looking for?
2017-08-18T13:57:23 < karlp> I've got  my own thing kinda like modbus poll, which we should probably opensource, but these days for a lot of hacking things up, I just spin it up with: https://github.com/remakeelectric/lua-libmodbus#example-usage
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2017-08-18T14:34:42 < Laurenceb> fucking brexit terrorists in spain
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2017-08-18T14:50:52 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/Droymj4
2017-08-18T14:54:37 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/JUBWSFZ
2017-08-18T14:54:46 < karlp> stahp
2017-08-18T14:56:55 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a1tYQTVLtA live launch
2017-08-18T15:01:02 < qyx> in 3 minutes?
2017-08-18T15:01:30 < qyx> will it do a kaboom?
2017-08-18T15:01:31 < fest> just heard it's possibly delayed
2017-08-18T15:02:49 < fest> wow that live chat is full of retards
2017-08-18T15:03:03 < qyx> I was about to write the same
2017-08-18T15:03:55 < qyx> 8:13 am?
2017-08-18T15:04:16 < fest> yes, the earliest possible but could be further delayed
2017-08-18T15:06:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvV-PQXQfQ8
2017-08-18T15:06:44 < Laurenceb> stay cool japan
2017-08-18T15:07:25 < Steffanx> 8:13 what timezone? Local nasa?
2017-08-18T15:07:57 < Laurenceb> lul the live chat
2017-08-18T15:08:06 < Laurenceb> like 4chan crossed with irc
2017-08-18T15:08:16 < fest> cape canaveral time I suppose
2017-08-18T15:08:28 < fest> 8:18 now
2017-08-18T15:08:50 < fest> they have until 8:43 to launch
2017-08-18T15:09:06 < Laurenceb> youtube chat is somehow more troll filled than 4chan /b/
2017-08-18T15:09:27 < Steffanx> !wz cape canaveral
2017-08-18T15:09:28 < dieforirc> [Cape Canaveral, Florida] Clear. Temp is 26.9°C but feels like 31°C. WSW wind: 1.6 kph. Humidity: 98%.
2017-08-18T15:09:34 < Laurenceb> laktriffid​I have to turn off chat..I am losing too many IQ points....If I lose any more...I will fit right in here!!!
2017-08-18T15:09:42 < Laurenceb> accurate comment is accurate
2017-08-18T15:12:50 < Laurenceb> Google-​rocket is shaped like a KKK member
2017-08-18T15:12:56 < Laurenceb> legit lold
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2017-08-18T15:27:29 < dongs> Thorn: nice, right on time
2017-08-18T15:28:08 < Laurenceb> 4chan tier chat intensifies
2017-08-18T15:32:51 < jadew`> just found out about the barcelona attack
2017-08-18T15:33:05 < jadew`> can't believe I'm no longer shocked by this
2017-08-18T15:33:48 < BrainDamage> why would you be shocked in the first place?
2017-08-18T15:34:02 < BrainDamage> terrorism in europe has been happening since ... always
2017-08-18T15:34:28 < jadew`> at this rate?
2017-08-18T15:34:48 < BrainDamage> no, you're right, in the past it was way worse
2017-08-18T15:34:53 < englishman> no kaboom, this isnt spacex
2017-08-18T15:34:59 < BrainDamage> it's shocking it's got this better
2017-08-18T15:35:09 < jadew`> heh
2017-08-18T15:35:25 < englishman> ever since the gauls were fighting to free their homeland
2017-08-18T15:35:30 < jadew`> so what you're saying is that it was happening but the media didn't cover it?
2017-08-18T15:35:39 < BrainDamage> no, they covered it too
2017-08-18T15:35:40 < englishman> one little city held out against the roman onslaught
2017-08-18T15:36:04 < Laurenceb> fucking bigots
2017-08-18T15:36:16 < BrainDamage> ETA put spain trough fire in the 80s
2017-08-18T15:36:33 < BrainDamage> italy got rekt by left and right wing terrorists sponsored by cia in he 70s
2017-08-18T15:36:36 < englishman> surrounded on all sides by the roman fortresses of aquarium, babaorum, laudanum, and petibonum
2017-08-18T15:36:51 < Laurenceb> those names
2017-08-18T15:36:54 < englishman> the gauls would launch terrorist attacks in the camps, steal their food and the women
2017-08-18T15:37:03 < BrainDamage> uk went trough ira for half a century
2017-08-18T15:37:05 < englishman> destroy their war machines
2017-08-18T15:37:25 < englishman> they were said to fight with magic powers, so there was a religious component
2017-08-18T15:37:31 < Laurenceb> yeah ira ran over children all the time
2017-08-18T15:38:31 < englishman> the only known remaining map of the conflict of that era http://i.imgur.com/16ZfgHg.jpg
2017-08-18T15:38:47 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-08-18T15:38:52 < Laurenceb> looks realistic
2017-08-18T15:40:07 < BrainDamage> englishman: you should post ideifix in place of reg pet pictures
2017-08-18T15:54:12 < qyx> fest: it is launching now
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2017-08-18T15:54:50 < BrainDamage> here's been launchd a whil ago
2017-08-18T15:55:07 < BrainDamage> i think your video got a few minutes buffering
2017-08-18T15:55:17 < qyx> aha, launch replays
2017-08-18T15:55:20 < qyx> me dumb
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2017-08-18T16:03:00 < Laurenceb> I just support ira cuz muh heritage
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2017-08-18T16:35:51 < Laurenceb> https://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/5321370+_e5f9bfebd2806511e8a870bcfe3189ee.png
2017-08-18T16:45:11 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdVjdWXgAEy3Nt.jpg
2017-08-18T16:48:58 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdLLD2UAAA2lU5.jpg
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2017-08-18T17:44:14 < englishman> does anyone know how flat ethernet cable can have cat6 rating if its not even shielded
2017-08-18T17:44:19 < englishman> literally 4 pairs of twisted
2017-08-18T17:44:58 < jpa-> short enough?
2017-08-18T17:45:25 < zyp> does cat6 require shielding?
2017-08-18T17:46:06 < englishman> surely it would to prevent crosstalk?
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2017-08-18T17:47:51 < englishman> well i guess not
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2017-08-18T17:53:25 < zyp> does it matter much? are you wiring your house for 10gbase-t?
2017-08-18T17:55:45 < englishman> no i need to abuse some etherweb cable for usb2
2017-08-18T17:56:11 < englishman> until a better solution can be found
2017-08-18T18:00:16 < englishman> pal in other chan just successfully extracted fw image from rdp1 locked f030
2017-08-18T18:00:29 < englishman> using copypasted code from germanz
2017-08-18T18:00:35 < zyp> fun
2017-08-18T18:00:36 < zyp> how?
2017-08-18T18:00:38 < englishman> yes
2017-08-18T18:00:42 < englishman> the swd abuse
2017-08-18T18:00:48 < englishman> did you see the doc?
2017-08-18T18:00:51 < zyp> hmm?
2017-08-18T18:00:51 < zyp> no
2017-08-18T18:01:20 < englishman> https://www.aisec.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/aisec/ResearchExcellence/woot17-paper-obermaier.pdf
2017-08-18T18:03:05 < karlp> I wonder if that is h20brain, he's j something obermaier
2017-08-18T18:04:21 < zyp> github says he is oliver meier
2017-08-18T18:05:00 < englishman> 5min to extract 16kb
2017-08-18T18:15:19 < karlp> oh, nvm then
2017-08-18T18:22:12 < BrainDamage> englishman: 10G base-T supports cat6A UTP up to 55m
2017-08-18T18:22:22 < BrainDamage> sorry, cat6
2017-08-18T18:22:29 < englishman> interesting
2017-08-18T18:23:11  * Laurenceb is still thinking about usb host
2017-08-18T18:23:20 < Laurenceb> cube actually looks quite good
2017-08-18T18:23:31 < Laurenceb>  "just" needs hub support
2017-08-18T18:23:38 < Laurenceb> already has audio class
2017-08-18T18:24:48 < BrainDamage> re usb, are you sending the usb signaling, or are you doing usb-over-ip?
2017-08-18T18:25:01 < englishman> plain old usb2-hs
2017-08-18T18:25:30 < karlp> it should "just work" within usb2-hs specified distances
2017-08-18T18:25:44 < englishman> great. only need 20cm
2017-08-18T18:25:50 < englishman> loose hookup wire was not working
2017-08-18T18:26:02 < BrainDamage> yeah, as long as it's less than 5m you don' need regen
2017-08-18T18:26:11 < karlp> you're trying to save on connectors or something? running something else on the other lines?
2017-08-18T18:27:09 < englishman> yes and no, it needs to fit in a tight area and make some turns, even spendy white people usb2 cable ( https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/cicoil/USB-2000-CAH006/CI1015-ND/4383578 ) is too fat and nonflexy
2017-08-18T18:27:43 < englishman> flat cat6 is readily available too, unlike flat usb2 cable, and yes there is one additional logic line so it saves a separate wire too
2017-08-18T18:28:19 < BrainDamage> are you putting a single signal per cable or more than one?
2017-08-18T18:28:29 < karlp> not flat enough? https://www.gearbest.com/samsung-cables-adapters/pp_276391.html
2017-08-18T18:28:32 < BrainDamage> if more than one, depending on bending radius you could get crosstalk
2017-08-18T18:28:48 < karlp> those flat cables are fucking everywhere on the cheap china sites
2017-08-18T18:28:57 < englishman> yeah that's exactly what i need, however good luck buying that stuff bulk
2017-08-18T18:29:23 < englishman> just a single usb2 pair
2017-08-18T18:29:30 < englishman> and power/gnd of course
2017-08-18T18:40:05 < Steffanx> Get some chinagirl make em for you
2017-08-18T18:40:29 < englishman> yes when it comes time for 100+
2017-08-18T18:40:51 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh89Yb2CTjY
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2017-08-18T19:10:44 < englishman> fff forgot $2.5 part in that $10k order
2017-08-18T19:10:49 < englishman> gotta pay $8 shipping
2017-08-18T19:10:57 < englishman> digikey has this annoying thing
2017-08-18T19:11:13 < englishman> where if yuo add something to cart but previously youve ordered it under multiple customer references
2017-08-18T19:11:30 < englishman> itl open the cart page after adding to cart, but after a couple seconds pops up another window to confirm reference #
2017-08-18T19:11:37 < englishman> and its not actually added until you click OK
2017-08-18T19:11:50 < englishman> fucked up a couple orders already because of that
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2017-08-18T19:37:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.chibios.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1386&mode=view
2017-08-18T19:40:18 < Steffanx> such h7
2017-08-18T19:43:48 < BrainDamage> at least stm won't go with fauxitalian for names
2017-08-18T19:44:04 < BrainDamage> i guess the employees would get pretty pissed :p
2017-08-18T19:47:04 < Steffanx> and nucleo isnt some italian word. Google can translate it to core..
2017-08-18T19:47:07 < Steffanx> ?
2017-08-18T19:47:28 < BrainDamage> it is,it's genuine italian, and yes, it's core/nucleus
2017-08-18T19:47:40 < BrainDamage> unlike all the -ino shit
2017-08-18T19:48:29 < BrainDamage> well, there was ftdi that tried to jump on the board and made he vinculo platform, which is literally, "I'll fuck you in the ass"
2017-08-18T19:48:44 < BrainDamage> perhaps it wasn't a mistake
2017-08-18T19:49:11 < Steffanx> it failed pretty hard afaik
2017-08-18T19:52:04 < englishman> nucleoino
2017-08-18T19:52:17 < englishman> lol vinculo
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2017-08-18T20:10:49 < Laurenceb> hmm I think i worked out my datalogger
2017-08-18T20:11:15 < Laurenceb> datalogger - usb hub - usb thumb drive + sensors using raw hid
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2017-08-18T20:11:44 < Laurenceb> then its ultra simple chibios copypasta
2017-08-18T20:12:31 < qyx> does chibidong have usb host?
2017-08-18T20:12:34 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-08-18T20:12:42 < Laurenceb> but not audio class drivers
2017-08-18T20:12:52 < Laurenceb> but i can make do with raw hid
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2017-08-18T20:13:29 < Laurenceb> and an SOF callback function to sync the data
2017-08-18T20:14:56 < Laurenceb> chibios copypasta >> embedded lunix fail
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2017-08-18T21:13:12 < Steffanx> dont forget the HAL is NOT free for commercial use Laurenceb
2017-08-18T21:13:47 < Steffanx> or at least it can be not free
2017-08-18T21:14:23 < qyx> how so, did they change licensing policy? wasn't it gpl?
2017-08-18T21:14:45 < Steffanx> oh there is that too, if that suites Laurenceb
2017-08-18T21:14:47 < englishman> wat
2017-08-18T21:14:49 < Steffanx> if he can do gpl that is ok ofcourse
2017-08-18T21:15:32 < Steffanx> a black cat, englishman
2017-08-18T21:15:48 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/VIPDOQE.jpg
2017-08-18T21:16:05 < qyx> englishman: hows your weathers and humidities?
2017-08-18T21:16:18 < englishman> down at the moment, no time
2017-08-18T21:16:22 < englishman> yours?
2017-08-18T21:16:31 < Steffanx> lol WTF englishman. Is that what your cat does to chicks? :D
2017-08-18T21:17:07 < Laurenceb> cocks check out pussy
2017-08-18T21:17:13 < qyx> mine half working
2017-08-18T21:17:22 < qyx> my quectel driver sometimes dies
2017-08-18T21:17:33 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Z3SOvHr.png
2017-08-18T21:17:41 < englishman> i can see it goes up to 30C at night when the aircon is off
2017-08-18T21:17:47 < englishman> maybe thats why my paste is agine
2017-08-18T21:17:49 < englishman> aging
2017-08-18T21:19:48 < Steffanx> oh, i guess i miss understood the chibios licensing or it changed sincei  last read that page
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2017-08-18T21:22:43 < qyx> englishman: https://thingspeak.com/channels/223144
2017-08-18T21:22:52 < qyx> more not working than working though
2017-08-18T21:24:53 < qyx> I just arduino'd up some sensors over i2c which causes half of the problems
2017-08-18T21:25:37 < englishman> decent
2017-08-18T21:25:43 < qyx> another main controbutor is china-level pseudo MPPT charger which probably causes ton of interference
2017-08-18T21:25:43 < englishman> my luxsensor is super awesome
2017-08-18T21:25:54 < englishman> cleaned up its code a bit, but its amazeee
2017-08-18T21:26:19 < englishman> theres no windows in my office, but it can still detect daylight from the light down the hall
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2017-08-18T21:26:43 < qyx> I am investigating how those piezo rain sensors work
2017-08-18T21:26:58 < englishman> oh yeah, the humidity sensor is hugely voltage- and temperature- dependent
2017-08-18T21:27:00 < qyx> I have a couple of piezo transducers here
2017-08-18T21:27:14 < qyx> yep, I found that too
2017-08-18T21:27:32 < qyx> it is still working here in a flower pot
2017-08-18T21:27:36 < qyx> but I am not recording data atm
2017-08-18T21:27:57 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/rvzavxV.jpg?1
2017-08-18T21:28:00 < englishman> same
2017-08-18T21:28:04 < englishman> but, turned it off
2017-08-18T21:28:37 < englishman> so many other projects to finish
2017-08-18T21:31:24 < Steffanx> such huge antenna, was that really neccessary?
2017-08-18T21:32:20 < englishman> first one i pulled out of the bucket o'tennas is all
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2017-08-18T21:34:28 < qyx> I have a small one and the range is terrible
2017-08-18T21:34:45 < qyx> but that might be because of the output power <<0dBm
2017-08-18T21:35:25 < qyx> http://imgur.com/a/ySA8L
2017-08-18T21:35:57 < englishman> cute
2017-08-18T21:36:57 < qyx> I should remove those dead plants :S
2017-08-18T21:37:04 < qyx> I don't know how is "burina" called properly
2017-08-18T21:37:23 < qyx> weed maybe
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2017-08-18T21:46:44 < englishman> oh
2017-08-18T21:46:45 < englishman> Steffanx:
2017-08-18T21:46:49 < englishman> have you seen the chickens lately?
2017-08-18T21:46:55 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/nEXR9Ls.jpg
2017-08-18T21:47:13 < Steffanx> Hah, excellent )
2017-08-18T21:47:15 < Steffanx> :)
2017-08-18T21:47:32 < Steffanx> When can i come over for some good chicken soup?
2017-08-18T21:47:41 < englishman> right now?
2017-08-18T21:47:49 < englishman> start swimming, il put the pot on
2017-08-18T21:48:32 < Steffanx> hah
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2017-08-18T23:22:33 < zyp> englishman, read through the document now, interesting stuff
2017-08-18T23:22:47 < englishman> yes
2017-08-18T23:26:19 < Steffanx> I like the discovery of this race condition/bug
2017-08-18T23:56:19 < ohsix> swd abuse? sweet
2017-08-18T23:58:09 < ohsix> guh a few weeks ago i thought of something about rdp1 that was obvious enough that i thought someone did it and didn't even look; and aside from this forgot everything else
2017-08-18T23:58:46 < englishman> wifeishman just snaptweeted there are turkeys in teh garage
2017-08-18T23:59:10 < ohsix> rando turkeys?
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2017-08-19T00:19:21 < englishman> guy who pulled firmware out of RDP1 F0 found that chinese are programming beyond 16k on 16k f030f4 :P
2017-08-19T00:26:35 < sync_> Nice
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2017-08-19T00:31:13 < ohsix> englishman: i thought everyone was diong that
2017-08-19T00:31:42 < Steffanx> not me, im not programming f030f4 at all.
2017-08-19T00:31:46 < ohsix> did st even make the ones with only 16k flash? or were they always the same die
2017-08-19T00:31:52 < ohsix> with shit fused off
2017-08-19T00:32:35 < ohsix> i gotta figure out how to get ld to make me a new elf file with the contents of a few of the sections in .bin files, i know it can do it but everything task-oriented like that is super elliptical w/ how the documentation is written
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2017-08-19T01:07:04 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBMIA2jvc1A
2017-08-19T01:07:05 < Laurenceb_> genius
2017-08-19T01:07:23 < ohsix> rap genius?
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2017-08-19T01:34:49 < ohsix> fudge
2017-08-19T01:35:11 < ohsix> i made the mistake of helping someone else on freenode that needed more time than i have. i wanan stay here but it keeps resetting my idle time, bbl
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2017-08-19T01:36:22 < dongs> http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?d=1462716999241&mkt=de-DE&setlang=en-US&w=xEsMxqoa0KJSwMsTh3p_8w2qryykfDvB bwaha
2017-08-19T01:36:25 < dongs> where's jadew
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2017-08-19T01:39:45 < Steffanx> lol  dongs
2017-08-19T01:42:07 < dongs> i'm wiht the guy tho, vs.choad is fucking awful shit
2017-08-19T01:44:48 < Steffanx> never tried. I like how that guy learned it the hard way. To not sure crap and to backup his crap.
2017-08-19T01:45:26 < dongs> http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/18/florida-man-angry-about-ice-cream-allegedly-pulls-out-rifle-at-drive-thru
2017-08-19T01:47:59 < kakimir> that is way too much shit to not backup
2017-08-19T01:48:41 < invzim> I give up
2017-08-19T01:48:43 < invzim> for tonight
2017-08-19T01:48:56 < invzim> fpga claims it's not configured, yet runs
2017-08-19T01:49:51 < dongs> how are you checking
2017-08-19T01:50:02 < dongs> isnt config_ok pin opendrain or some other weird shit
2017-08-19T01:50:07 < invzim> nstatus
2017-08-19T01:50:11 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-19T01:50:17 < invzim> has a pullup on the pcb
2017-08-19T01:50:21 < dongs> mhm
2017-08-19T01:50:38 < invzim> goes into stm32, so I lifted that pin just to be 100%
2017-08-19T01:50:38 < dongs> is that diferent from conf_done?
2017-08-19T01:50:54 < invzim> I think conf done is mainly for passive-serial
2017-08-19T01:50:56 < dongs> yean nstatus is opedrain
2017-08-19T01:51:11 < dongs> are you saying it doesnt go low?
2017-08-19T01:51:27 < invzim> it stays low
2017-08-19T01:51:28 < kakimir> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40978446
2017-08-19T01:51:30 < invzim> never goes high
2017-08-19T01:51:53 < invzim> it's like it's bolted to gnd, not a beep even on power-up
2017-08-19T01:52:48 < invzim> (it's not actually connected to gnd, did a continuity check for that)
2017-08-19T01:53:12 < dongs> so y ou can actally FLASH it and the code runs, but it never reports being configured?
2017-08-19T01:53:33 < invzim> I jtag it
2017-08-19T01:53:41 < Steffanx> i thought you went rogue kakimir
2017-08-19T01:54:03 < dongs> invzim: yeah, so does programming work?
2017-08-19T01:54:08 < invzim> I do spi and stuff, but had problems with it not booting by itself from spi when stm32 is on
2017-08-19T01:54:16 < invzim> so I started digging
2017-08-19T01:54:27 < invzim> jtag works, spi flash via jtag works
2017-08-19T01:54:48 < invzim> self-configure from spi works maybe 70% of the time, nstatus always stay low
2017-08-19T01:55:00 < invzim> from spi flash..
2017-08-19T01:55:36 < invzim> maybe the ic is wonky, but they seldom ACTUALLY are :)
2017-08-19T01:56:24 < dongs> you have status/conf_done/config pulled up by 10k right
2017-08-19T01:59:32 < invzim> yup, should be by the book
2017-08-19T01:59:54 < invzim> nstatus, nconfig, conf_done pulled up by 10k to 3.3
2017-08-19T02:00:12 < invzim> msel should be right
2017-08-19T02:00:50 < kakimir> Steffanx: not even prob. jihadist
2017-08-19T02:01:56 < kakimir> just insane person had problem with women and went in kill them all mode most likelly
2017-08-19T02:04:16 < kakimir> there was some serbian ten years ago that went to his ex gf workplace and went in kill them all mode
2017-08-19T02:05:26 < englishman> SWD abuse works on other generations too
2017-08-19T02:08:30 < Steffanx> interesting
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2017-08-19T02:11:59 < kakimir> https://images.apina.biz/full/79873.jpg
2017-08-19T02:12:36 < dongs> this just in: helsinki is a shithole
2017-08-19T02:12:51 < dongs> also, its missing the worst subway/train system ni teh world: tokyo
2017-08-19T02:23:33 < invzim> tokyo subways are great
2017-08-19T02:23:43 < invzim> except for all the people
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2017-08-19T02:38:07 < dongs> and the fact that you can never tell wehre thefuck one is going
2017-08-19T02:38:08 < kakimir> why don't they just make the capacity to move the mass of ass
2017-08-19T02:38:29 < dongs> because who the fuck thought calling a train by its LAST STOP is a good idea?
2017-08-19T02:38:44 < dongs> i dont fucking live in tokyo, i have no idea some shithole village is the final stop for this train line
2017-08-19T02:41:18 < kakimir> why they have so low capacity dongs to their trains that they need to basically kick the last person in thru the doors? don't they feel any discomfort about that?
2017-08-19T02:42:04 < kakimir> I mean the daily commuter lines
2017-08-19T02:43:11 < kakimir> so they calculated that this area has 50000workers so they calculate the exact amount of train cars needed and everyone fit in just perfectly?
2017-08-19T02:43:17 < BrainDamage> ...
2017-08-19T02:43:45 < BrainDamage> when you reach that level of packing the more trains you add the more people you get
2017-08-19T02:44:05 < BrainDamage> because people are discouraged by the packed trains
2017-08-19T02:44:10 < dongs> just need #pragma pack(1)
2017-08-19T02:44:21 < BrainDamage> you need to have way more capacity than the user pool
2017-08-19T02:44:34 < BrainDamage> but that's expensive, and requires investiments
2017-08-19T02:47:37 < kakimir> I don't think japanise people are discouraged to pack in trains no matter what
2017-08-19T02:47:57 < kakimir> because if they are late from job they die of humiliation
2017-08-19T02:48:42 < kakimir> they rather sit on top of each other on train
2017-08-19T02:49:54 < kakimir> maybe that is the reason.. they must get in the train no matter what so they can make capacity less because people use more force to get in
2017-08-19T03:17:17 < Laurenceb_> today I went to https://i0.wp.com/www.nggonline.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/12809780_10153990887214122_5563074078549817807_n.jpg?resize=395%2C296
2017-08-19T03:18:28 < BrainDamage> did you learn a bit of human empathy and tollerance, or did you spend the whole time brooding and feeling alienated?
2017-08-19T03:21:14 < Laurenceb_> I jumped over a fence to avoid the £75 entrance fee and left and discovering it was basically uk burning man
2017-08-19T03:21:40 < BrainDamage> so the 2nd
2017-08-19T03:22:18 < Laurenceb_> thought it might be relevant but
2017-08-19T03:22:25 < Laurenceb_> > Human rights letter writing
2017-08-19T03:22:34 < Laurenceb_> >  If every person on Earth adopted a vegan diet
2017-08-19T03:25:27 < Laurenceb_> https://i2.wp.com/www.nggonline.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/1250.jpg?fit=1146%2C474
2017-08-19T03:25:32 < Laurenceb_> burning man confirmed
2017-08-19T03:25:55 < dongs> nggronline.org.uk
2017-08-19T03:26:08 < Laurenceb_> if I gatecrash on Saturday night maybe I could get laid
2017-08-19T03:26:31 < Laurenceb_> 24 hours to rehearse my lines on veganism and human rights
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2017-08-19T03:31:48 < Laurenceb_> not sure if hairy vegan vagoo is worth it
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2017-08-19T04:04:46 < dongs> Laurenceb: pretty sure you're at a point wheer you don't give a shit
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2017-08-19T07:24:52 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/O8QUj9q.png
2017-08-19T07:26:35 < sync_> r e k t
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2017-08-19T07:40:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> argh. can't see the i2c start tansitoin thing
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2017-08-19T08:37:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> Jumping straight to a blocking handler when I try to send to start
2017-08-19T08:37:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> send_start
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2017-08-19T09:26:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> you know, getting I2C working was onl;y meant to be a couple of hours, max
2017-08-19T09:35:35 < PaulFertser> Heh
2017-08-19T09:35:47 < PaulFertser> Do you mean you hardfault there? why?
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2017-08-19T09:39:04 < ohsix> sup
2017-08-19T09:39:39 < ohsix> spent a few hours fixing rv fridge right
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2017-08-19T09:39:56 < ohsix> then in the end when i had it back together and was testing it, i used a lighter
2017-08-19T09:40:06 < ohsix> the thing i was fixing ... i could have used a lighter the whole time
2017-08-19T09:44:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, PaulFertser, I hard fault on trying to send the start bit.
2017-08-19T09:44:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> thing*
2017-08-19T09:44:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's a f103, so my rough throughts are something to do with alt-functions. But I'm not sure.
2017-08-19T09:44:43 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: have you decoded the fault?
2017-08-19T09:44:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> ?
2017-08-19T09:44:56 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/armv7m-vecstate-zippe.gdb
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2017-08-19T10:04:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> This is something that I REALLY should learn to use eh
2017-08-19T10:04:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> hmm. there's a bunch of registers, says the hardfault, and says busfault
2017-08-19T10:05:07 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: pastebin :)
2017-08-19T10:06:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> bpaste.net/show/3c546fbedd7f
2017-08-19T10:07:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is helpful information about debugging this in the ref manual, or the normal datasheet?
2017-08-19T10:09:07 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: you need both :) Probably the i2c module is not enabled in RCC?
2017-08-19T10:09:34 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: can you step-by-instruction to see which one causes the hardfault?
2017-08-19T10:10:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. I thought I was turning the i2c module on.
2017-08-19T10:10:27 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: ah, i2cSend has two first argument swapped in your code
2017-08-19T10:10:35 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: periph / device address
2017-08-19T10:10:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. I2C_CR1(i2c) |= I2C_CR1_START; SO when writing
2017-08-19T10:10:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> YES
2017-08-19T10:10:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> THAT WOULD DO IT
2017-08-19T10:11:06 < PaulFertser> ##stm32 ftw
2017-08-19T10:12:08 < PaulFertser> C sucks
2017-08-19T10:12:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> Why the hell don't I get a comiler warnign about that
2017-08-19T10:12:56 < PaulFertser> Rust or proper C++ would not allow that. But with C, meh, too weak typing system.
2017-08-19T10:13:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> Has anybody done much work on Rust for stm32?
2017-08-19T10:13:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> Out of curiosity more, I don't think I have the effort ot change
2017-08-19T10:13:48 < PaulFertser> e.g. http://blog.japaric.io/fearless-concurrency/
2017-08-19T10:17:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thanks btw
2017-08-19T10:17:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> big big help
2017-08-19T10:17:46 < PaulFertser> Welcome :)
2017-08-19T10:32:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> Now I just need to figure out what address to use
2017-08-19T10:37:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm, the 7 bit address should be just 0x80 >> 1
2017-08-19T10:38:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> It SHOULDN'T be going too fast, it's only 4.4 KHz
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2017-08-19T11:26:36 < ohsix> derka derka
2017-08-19T11:28:23 < ohsix> dunno if i mentioned that hb100 sports radar thing, but i got back to it today
2017-08-19T11:28:39 < ohsix> the fuses are set to use the rc clock, and it is probably why the whole thing is slow and shitty
2017-08-19T11:28:48 < ohsix> a resonator is fitted, but not used
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2017-08-19T14:27:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MkJnPjO.gifv bwaha
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2017-08-19T14:31:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7khSd_p1rh8 < Laurenceb_
2017-08-19T14:32:48 < Steffanx> Dongs can you look in the mirror please? Do you look like the guy on the right? http://imgur.com/a/InwBB
2017-08-19T14:33:02 < Steffanx> If not, how the hell did you wake up like Laurenceb_?
2017-08-19T14:33:07 < dongs> no thats more like o6
2017-08-19T14:33:23 < Steffanx> no, that's laurence :P
2017-08-19T14:33:37 < dongs> no, he looks liek a thin gay nerd
2017-08-19T14:33:40 < dongs> still gay, but not THAT gay
2017-08-19T14:34:22 < Steffanx> No, im not joking. I took it from the video on youtube he did about the karman line.
2017-08-19T14:34:35 < dongs> then you linked a wrong pic
2017-08-19T14:34:42 < dongs> cuz all I see is some twat with o6 in it
2017-08-19T14:34:47 < ReadErr> https://www.pscp.tv/RealAlexJones/1ynKOVkQNjQxR?t=132
2017-08-19T14:34:50 < ReadErr> hilarious
2017-08-19T14:35:03 < Steffanx> the guy on the table ;)
2017-08-19T14:35:26 < Steffanx> My damn paint.net skills aint good enough? :S
2017-08-19T14:35:34 < qyx> lol
2017-08-19T14:35:40 < dongs> Steffanx: oh Lo L
2017-08-19T14:35:48 < dongs> i thought you were literally talking about looking in teh mirror and bearded guy on the right
2017-08-19T14:35:57 < dongs> just fucking noticed it
2017-08-19T14:36:18 < Steffanx> It was the only pic of Laurenceb i had and because you woke up like him i wondered if you turned in to him
2017-08-19T14:36:25 < Steffanx> ( waking up with link dumping )
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2017-08-19T14:41:47 < ReadErr> its harry potter aint it
2017-08-19T14:42:20 < Steffanx> Yeah
2017-08-19T14:42:36 < Steffanx> lol, long time i've heard you call him that ReadErr :D
2017-08-19T14:42:41 < Steffanx> *+since
2017-08-19T14:42:54 < ReadErr> well its 1:1
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2017-08-19T14:49:33 < dongs> https://z0x.us/v31ac0 haha warez drama
2017-08-19T14:52:23 < Laurenceb_> hello trolls
2017-08-19T14:52:25 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/vKYmhOj
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2017-08-19T15:12:07 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/ozCX0nM
2017-08-19T15:12:19 < Laurenceb_> what happened to o6
2017-08-19T15:14:23 < dongs> that guy probably got tired of pakis
2017-08-19T15:58:17 < Laurenceb_>  I don’t see any value in producing our own board. It is just going to consume time and effort unnecessarily. Using a Raspberry Pi would do the job and save months of time
2017-08-19T15:58:24 < Laurenceb_> its a work email edition
2017-08-19T16:00:22 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/6QQdJ7.jpeg
2017-08-19T16:05:19 < Steffanx> You can always go for a hybrid and use those rpi modules Laurenceb_
2017-08-19T16:05:30 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Su38r75
2017-08-19T16:05:33 < Laurenceb_> maybes
2017-08-19T16:06:07 < Steffanx> Do you like faketaxi much Laurenceb_?
2017-08-19T16:06:24 < Laurenceb_> ur the one who knows what it is
2017-08-19T16:06:44 < Laurenceb_> I hurd it operates in Rotherham
2017-08-19T16:07:01 < zyp> the porn vids?
2017-08-19T16:08:52 < Steffanx> Highly unlikely, unless Rotherdam != Rotterdam
2017-08-19T16:10:00 < Steffanx> Im a millenial living in the middle of the internet age, how am i not supposed to know it Laurenceb_?
2017-08-19T16:11:11 < jadew`> what's fake taxi?
2017-08-19T16:11:11 < Steffanx> And i wouldnt be surprised if you linked something of them before.
2017-08-19T16:11:47 < jadew`> and lol @ that patent
2017-08-19T16:11:50 < jadew`> that's some evil shit
2017-08-19T16:11:58 < Steffanx> You have a wfie, you dont count jadew`
2017-08-19T16:12:11 < jadew`> and I'm kidding anyway
2017-08-19T16:12:17 < Steffanx> :P
2017-08-19T16:12:20 < jadew`> :P
2017-08-19T16:17:50 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHWD_bWVwAAvhZD.jpg
2017-08-19T16:38:53 < jadew`> http://imgur.com/a/RT90S
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2017-08-19T17:14:17 < BrainDamage> omf, i tried searching the patent and it really exists
2017-08-19T17:15:47 < jadew`> they won't be able to use it
2017-08-19T17:16:36 < BrainDamage> no but patents are public, simply putting out there is a horribleidea and terrible pubblicity
2017-08-19T17:17:09 < BrainDamage> also, they already have idiotic shit like always on voice recorders and warning to not speak about sensitive things in presence of smart tv
2017-08-19T17:17:27 < BrainDamage> so i feel that they might still try to push towards this ...
2017-08-19T17:17:32 < jadew`> they'd be hit with disability discrimination lawsuit if they put that thing in practice
2017-08-19T17:17:43 < jadew`> *lawsuits
2017-08-19T17:18:31 < jadew`> personally, I welcome it, because then it means you can have an ad blocker on your TV
2017-08-19T17:18:32 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/70bLq2R4
2017-08-19T17:18:35 < jadew`> so... no more ads
2017-08-19T17:20:06 < BrainDamage> they'll just provide alternate acknowledgement forms
2017-08-19T17:20:22 < BrainDamage> and why would you have an ad blocker, you have no access to the firmware
2017-08-19T17:20:47 < jadew`> pretty sure _I_ would
2017-08-19T17:21:00 < jadew`> regular people wouldn't
2017-08-19T17:21:34 < jadew`> but that's their propblem, they should have paid attention in CS classes
2017-08-19T17:21:54 < BrainDamage> as in it'd be fucking hard to have one, you'd need to RE the platform
2017-08-19T17:22:23 < jadew`> BrainDamage, and you think there wouldn't be a group dedicated to this?
2017-08-19T17:25:26 < jadew`> you know what? I think there'd even be TVs that would be marketed as "with root access"
2017-08-19T17:25:32 < jadew`> or "unlocked"
2017-08-19T17:25:39 < jadew`> so you can install adblockers on them
2017-08-19T17:27:16 < jadew`> this would have to be a technology demanded by the cable companies and implemented by manufacturers - what's to stop them from allowing it to be overriden?
2017-08-19T17:28:01 < jadew`> and if they actually do it right (like sony did with their shitty minidisks), what's stopping other companies from not doing it right and gaining a bigger chunk of the market?
2017-08-19T17:28:37 < jadew`> I guess a solution would be to have whitelist of devices that support this properly and are unhackable
2017-08-19T17:28:51 < jadew`> and if the device gets off of the whitelist you get the full ad
2017-08-19T17:28:54 < jadew`> hmm
2017-08-19T17:29:13 < jadew`> fucking cable companies
2017-08-19T17:31:01 < jadew`> I suppose we're back to the group of people that RE the firmware, they wouldn't be able to blacklist everything, but then not everyone would "fix" their TV
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2017-08-19T17:44:23 < englishman> TV is dead anyway
2017-08-19T17:44:52 < englishman> so this will only be used on people watching handegg
2017-08-19T17:44:55 < englishman> no loss
2017-08-19T17:46:19 < Steffanx> Yeah dont we all netflix nowadays?
2017-08-19T17:49:40 < PaulFertser> I watch neither.
2017-08-19T17:52:30 < englishman> netflix got cancelled in january here
2017-08-19T17:52:35 < englishman> nothing but american garbage
2017-08-19T17:53:26 < englishman> 30 mins in the hot tub > 30 mins of american idiot box
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2017-08-19T18:46:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVjVoY0cxN1BGdEE/view?usp=sharing
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2017-08-19T19:39:22 < branjb> netflix still has some good shows
2017-08-19T19:39:43 < jadew`> I never watched netflix
2017-08-19T19:39:58 < jadew`> I think they're available in here as well, but they only have a couple of shows
2017-08-19T19:40:26 < branjb> dissapointing netflix moved away from the movie scene.  they have shit for movies
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2017-08-19T19:51:19 < jadew`> speaking of TV shows
2017-08-19T19:51:25 < jadew`> quacks seems promising
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2017-08-19T19:53:21 < Steffanx> comedy, 1840s .. meh
2017-08-19T19:54:18 < jadew`> try the first episode
2017-08-19T19:54:26 < jadew`> it's not what you'd expect
2017-08-19T19:56:15 < upgrdman> typical jap robot  https://oddshot.tv/s/5wN6Sy
2017-08-19T19:57:15 < Thorn> I want a movie to be made from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8pywyGywWg
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2017-08-19T21:20:23 < apo> hey
2017-08-19T21:20:33 < Steffanx> hoo
2017-08-19T21:21:41 < apo> Laurenceb: I'd like to use isochronous USB transfers for some small periodic data (~10 bytes, 1000 Hz, on an f103), and jpa- just told me that you're doing something similar. Got any pointers? :3
2017-08-19T21:21:57 < qyx> 0x0200415d
2017-08-19T21:22:05 < qyx> old joke
2017-08-19T21:22:12 < Thorn> >I/ListPopupWindow: Could not find method setEpicenterBounds(Rect) on PopupWindow. Oh well.
2017-08-19T21:30:31 < apo> (and yeah, probably don't need isochronous transfers, but I'd definitely like to learn something other than faking a uart all the time)
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2017-08-19T22:03:22 < kakimir> https://images.apina.biz/full/157231.jpg spam
2017-08-19T22:03:43 < tpw_rules> this is a bad meme
2017-08-19T22:10:32 < kakimir> it is
2017-08-19T22:13:03 < tpw_rules> and yet
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2017-08-19T23:01:06 < invzim> typical, after soldering kynar wire to pins, hooking up logic analyzer etc - stuff just magically works..
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2017-08-19T23:01:30 < invzim> I'm getting the impression this board is giving me the finger at every opportinity
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2017-08-19T23:43:20 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFSIjkRUQAELNlT.jpg:large omg
2017-08-19T23:43:32 < kakimir> I have been beaten
2017-08-19T23:44:54 < kakimir> hey what are those hooks you can connect your oscope into?
2017-08-19T23:45:49 < kakimir> if I had those I would not need smas as measurement connectors!
2017-08-19T23:52:01 < upgrdman> kakimir, dunno. but this is almost as good for probing, and free: https://i.stack.imgur.com/PSo3N.jpg   make two vias, about 0.4" apart
2017-08-19T23:52:15 < kakimir> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE4/history/20170803/0448Z/KBFI/KBFI nice flight
2017-08-19T23:52:22 < upgrdman> then just rest the probe/spring in those vias. done.
2017-08-19T23:52:31 < kakimir> upgrdman: those are standard
2017-08-19T23:52:42 < kakimir> even with my crappy rigol
2017-08-19T23:52:47 < upgrdman> yes exactly
2017-08-19T23:52:51 < upgrdman> so free
2017-08-19T23:52:54 < upgrdman> like i said
2017-08-19T23:53:01 < kakimir> but I don't want to hold it in place
2017-08-19T23:53:17 < upgrdman> <upgrdman> then just rest the probe/spring in those vias. done.
2017-08-19T23:54:16 < kakimir> hmm
2017-08-19T23:54:19 < upgrdman> gravity holds it.
2017-08-19T23:54:36 < kakimir> do you have pics?
2017-08-19T23:54:45 < upgrdman> ffs
2017-08-19T23:54:47 < upgrdman> ok hold on
2017-08-19T23:57:32 < jadew`> lol
2017-08-19T23:57:50 < jadew`> good idea upgrdman
2017-08-19T23:58:12 < jadew`> I use those little loops too on some of my boards
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2017-08-19T23:58:46 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-08-19T23:58:52 < Laurenceb_> so no vegan pussy 4 me
2017-08-19T23:58:53 < branjb> sup m8
2017-08-19T23:59:18 < apo> kakimir: test points
2017-08-19T23:59:20 < jadew`> as for that hittite board, I bet that shit costs as much as an oscilloscope
2017-08-19T23:59:21 < jadew`> a good one
2017-08-19T23:59:28 < apo> http://uk.farnell.com/vero/20-2137/terminal-pcb-black-pk100/dp/8731128
2017-08-19T23:59:34 < Laurenceb_> how I picture green gathering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g079iITbHb0
--- Day changed Sun Aug 20 2017
2017-08-20T00:01:06 < Laurenceb_> when trance died
2017-08-20T00:01:24 < upgrdman> kakimir, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/scope_probe_hi_freq.jpg
2017-08-20T00:01:51 < kakimir> oh
2017-08-20T00:01:52 < upgrdman> free and easy for anyone with an oscope
2017-08-20T00:02:00 < upgrdman> two fucking vias. problem solved.
2017-08-20T00:02:12 < kakimir> actual holes maybe
2017-08-20T00:02:19 < upgrdman> aka VIAS
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2017-08-20T00:02:47 < kakimir> how snug fit it is?
2017-08-20T00:03:05 < upgrdman> you fucking ass hole
2017-08-20T00:03:10 < upgrdman> snug enough
2017-08-20T00:03:49 < invzim> any of you pros done production with qfps with exposed pad?
2017-08-20T00:04:08 < invzim> or the larger type, like 144(+1) ?
2017-08-20T00:04:49 < upgrdman> i've done QFNs with exposed pad
2017-08-20T00:04:59 < upgrdman> QFN32 and QFN48 iirc
2017-08-20T00:11:30 < invzim> I'm a bit worried, with qfP, that the standoff height is too big for the paste to properly bond with the exposed pad
2017-08-20T00:14:15 < zyp> why would it be?
2017-08-20T00:14:34 < upgrdman> if that was a problem, no one could QFP with exposed pads... and people do
2017-08-20T00:14:37 < zyp> if the package has an epad, it would be at an appropriate height vs the legs
2017-08-20T00:14:48 < zyp> otherwise it would be useless
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2017-08-20T00:17:13 < invzim> I'm just blaming crazyness I see on this fpga on the epad
2017-08-20T00:17:28 < invzim> as it's not a thermal, but GND pad
2017-08-20T00:17:43 < zyp> huh?
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2017-08-20T00:17:48 < zyp> of course it's thermal
2017-08-20T00:17:51 < invzim> no
2017-08-20T00:17:53 < invzim> it's a gnd pad
2017-08-20T00:18:10 < zyp> yeah? thermal epads usually are gnd
2017-08-20T00:18:11 < upgrdman> the pad can be a net AND thermal
2017-08-20T00:18:37 < invzim> "The E144 package has an exposed pad at the bottom of the package. This exposed pad is a ground pad that must be connected to the ground plane on your PCB.  This exposed pad is used for electrical connectivity, and not for thermal purposes."
2017-08-20T00:18:39 < zyp> that lets you dissipate right into the ground plane(s) and use that as a heatsink
2017-08-20T00:18:47 < zyp> oh, hah
2017-08-20T00:18:52 < zyp> okay
2017-08-20T00:18:57 < zyp> also wat
2017-08-20T00:19:00 < zyp> but ok
2017-08-20T00:19:04 < zyp> sounds weird as fuck
2017-08-20T00:19:12 < invzim> yeah, causes all kinds of issues if it's not properly connected
2017-08-20T00:19:28 < zyp> and qfp144 sounds annoyingly large, don't they have any saner packages?
2017-08-20T00:19:33 < zyp> say 1mm pitch bga256
2017-08-20T00:19:40 < invzim> 0.5mm pitch for 256
2017-08-20T00:19:44 < zyp> xilinx does that at least, don't know altera
2017-08-20T00:20:25 < upgrdman> invzim, theyre probably just say that is not dissipate much heat, e.g. you dont HAVE to connect to a large ass gnd plate, it just has to be connected to gnd.
2017-08-20T00:20:31 < invzim> I'm not planning numbers that can even out the cost of having tiny drills, not that I've ever done bga either :)
2017-08-20T00:20:33 < zyp> yes
2017-08-20T00:20:47 < zyp> invzim, that's why I said 1mm pitch
2017-08-20T00:20:59 < zyp> 1mm pitch is easy to do on cheapspec
2017-08-20T00:21:20 < invzim> upgrdman: 'official' pad, which is  useless, has a lot of drills into gnd
2017-08-20T00:21:25 < invzim> footprint
2017-08-20T00:21:30 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/r1ChW.JPG <- last fpga board I did
2017-08-20T00:21:55 < invzim> what's the min drill?
2017-08-20T00:22:32 < upgrdman> invzim, prolly same footprint as a high-temp device. but for your particlar IC not needed.
2017-08-20T00:22:46 < kakimir> you use photographic background paper zyp ?
2017-08-20T00:23:04 < invzim> don't think so, this is altera, they never did thermal on exposed pad I think.
2017-08-20T00:23:08 < zyp> kakimir, no, that's my desk
2017-08-20T00:23:13 < zyp> invzim, that board is 10/20
2017-08-20T00:24:44 < zyp> kakimir, aperture is a bit too wide, that's why I didn't get it all in focus
2017-08-20T00:25:22 < zyp> easy to forget how insanely small apertures you need to get decent DoF on photos like that, and it doesn't really show well on the camera display
2017-08-20T00:25:36 < zyp> and once you've transferred it over to the computer you're too lazy to go back and take another
2017-08-20T00:26:26 < kakimir> I plan to make turning table with photographic bg paper that has trigger output for camera
2017-08-20T00:26:38 < kakimir> turn slightly, wait 3sec, trigger
2017-08-20T00:27:02 < zyp> background is not so important, the key is lighting
2017-08-20T00:27:09 < zyp> you want soft lighting
2017-08-20T00:27:20 < kakimir> I use the background paper for the surface
2017-08-20T00:27:24 < kakimir> not for the bg
2017-08-20T00:28:16 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3jZMb.JPG <- with DoF tricks, you don't even need to bother with a background
2017-08-20T00:28:32 < kakimir> nice pcb holder
2017-08-20T00:28:48 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/DsoxD.JPG
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2017-08-20T00:31:37 < invzim> this is odd, with LA hooked up it works, with LA disconnected it doesn't
2017-08-20T00:31:54 < zyp> sounds like floating signals getting pulled up by the debugger
2017-08-20T00:31:59 < zyp> LA*
2017-08-20T00:32:08 < invzim> yeah, something like that
2017-08-20T00:32:37 < zyp> kakimir, what's your photo project anyway?
2017-08-20T00:32:49 < zyp> and what sort of camera are you planning to use?
2017-08-20T00:32:59 < invzim> guess I can disconnect one by one
2017-08-20T00:34:28 < zyp> kakimir, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/v0OjW.JPG <- here you see I just have stuff directly on the desk
2017-08-20T00:34:58 < zyp> what makes it look nice is the even lighting, not a special surface
2017-08-20T00:36:04 < kakimir> zyp: have you done anything on that table surface?
2017-08-20T00:36:14 < kakimir> mine looks totally different
2017-08-20T00:36:21 < zyp> anything what, this is my main workdesk
2017-08-20T00:37:06 < kakimir> no scrach no mark on it
2017-08-20T00:37:29 < zyp> the surface is pretty hard
2017-08-20T00:38:31 < zyp> I have a couple of chips in it, and the edges are a bit scuffed from moving a couple of times, but apart from that it looks like it did when it was new six years ago
2017-08-20T00:38:55 < zyp> then again, those pictures are a couple of years old too :p
2017-08-20T00:39:57 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/yLKZr.JPG <- you see one of the chip marks under/behind the usb plug
2017-08-20T00:40:17 < kakimir> no burns, flux residue, glue, paints, markers
2017-08-20T00:40:32 < kakimir> trash, crap, pieces of solder
2017-08-20T00:40:42 < kakimir> pieces of leads
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2017-08-20T00:40:53 < zyp> idk if the surface melts easily, and the rest of the stuff are shit that cleans off
2017-08-20T00:41:09 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/cmJij.JPG <- it's not always clean
2017-08-20T00:43:02 < zyp> my problem isn't dirt, my problem is the mess that always piles up: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/shhqo.JPG
2017-08-20T00:43:05 < zyp> :)
2017-08-20T00:43:16 < zyp> old pic, my current pile looks different
2017-08-20T00:43:24 < BrainDamage> is that a label printer?
2017-08-20T00:43:28 < invzim> god a nice solderpad off ali recently
2017-08-20T00:43:31 < invzim> got
2017-08-20T00:43:31 < zyp> yes, it's my old one
2017-08-20T00:43:39 < BrainDamage> thermal?
2017-08-20T00:43:41 < zyp> it's a brother ql-700
2017-08-20T00:43:41 < zyp> yes
2017-08-20T00:43:54 < invzim> good for moving stuff around on the desk without disconnecting wires hanging off etc
2017-08-20T00:43:54 < zyp> I replaced it with a ql-1060n so I could print larger labels
2017-08-20T00:44:07 < BrainDamage> I've considered getting one as hopefully it won't be a pos like reg prnters
2017-08-20T00:44:20 < zyp> idk, the drivers are kinda ass
2017-08-20T00:44:30 < BrainDamage> so it's not better :/
2017-08-20T00:44:49 < zyp> well, it works well when you know how to make it work
2017-08-20T00:45:00 < zyp> and idk, windows drivers might be better than macos drivers
2017-08-20T00:45:25 < invzim> got a ql-570, but it's starting to make strange noises - works good tho
2017-08-20T00:45:31 < zyp> the only problem I have is that sometimes it complains that the paper size doesn't match the labels in the machine
2017-08-20T00:45:43 < zyp> mostly when I want to print weird one-off stuff
2017-08-20T00:45:56 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Heat-resistant-Heat-Gun-Soldering-Station-Repair-Insulation-Pad-Desk-Mat-Insulator-Pad-Maintenance-Platform/32767840166.html
2017-08-20T00:46:09 < invzim> you can put your iron on it without burning
2017-08-20T00:46:17 < zyp> mostly I use it to print shipping labels for stuff I sell
2017-08-20T00:46:40 < invzim> yup - writing UK addresses by hand gets old pretty fast :)
2017-08-20T00:47:13 < zyp> so I have my webshop system generate labels directly, it just outputs html with some printer css
2017-08-20T00:47:33 < invzim> do you use something opensource/off the shelf?
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2017-08-20T00:47:42 < zyp> before I made that, I copypasted shit into a latex template
2017-08-20T00:47:50 < zyp> invzim, no, I wrote my own
2017-08-20T00:48:16 < invzim> so far I only sell one thing, so a simpel paypal button is ok
2017-08-20T00:48:22 < invzim> simple
2017-08-20T00:48:22 < zyp> my old ordering solution was a google form that dumped shit into a spreadsheet
2017-08-20T00:48:32 < zyp> but I got sick of having to copypaste the addrs manually
2017-08-20T00:48:55 < zyp> and a freefrom address field is the dumbest thing ever, because half the people on the planet can't fucking write their address properly
2017-08-20T00:49:19 < zyp> most people living in the US doesn't realize other countries exist and forget to mention shit should be sent to the US
2017-08-20T00:49:57 < zyp> so the new system has a pretty rigid address form so I get shit that can be put directly onto labels without manual corrections
2017-08-20T00:50:32 < zyp> I also generate customs info (CN22) and everything on the same label
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2017-08-20T00:53:13 < invzim> I asked the local postal guys if printing custom CN22 was ok, they said no
2017-08-20T00:53:54 < zyp> that's bullshit
2017-08-20T00:54:21 < invzim> good to know (no sarcasm)
2017-08-20T00:54:52 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/8pO4U.png <- here's what my webshop outputs
2017-08-20T00:55:12 < zyp> so I just pull up that and hit print directly from the browser, and the printer cuts it into correctly sized labels
2017-08-20T00:55:55 < invzim> nice
2017-08-20T00:57:31 < invzim> right, floaty looking crap on a signal, which should be pulled high by a 10k
2017-08-20T00:58:56 < invzim> and open drain on the stm32 side of things
2017-08-20T00:59:50 < invzim> let's add an stm32 pull..
2017-08-20T01:00:02 < zyp> before I made this label thing, I used to print a prefilled copy of some official CN22 pdf template
2017-08-20T01:00:06 < invzim> man, the speed of testing stuff on stm32 is very nice compared to fpga stuff :)
2017-08-20T01:00:56 < zyp> eventually I got tired of putting five individual labels on each package (sender, recipient, CN22, A-priority, postage paid)
2017-08-20T01:01:14 < zyp> so I got a larger label printer so I could get everything on the same label
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2017-08-20T01:02:57 < zyp> invzim, anyway, if you are interested in my label template or even the whole store system, just let me know
2017-08-20T01:02:59 < invzim> stm32 pullup no go, this stuff works with scope probe hooked up, which should be really high impedance
2017-08-20T01:03:13 < invzim> same signal that triggers reconfig of fpga by pulling it low
2017-08-20T01:03:39 < zyp> idk how interested you'd be in running the store, it's pretty much a «add the features I need as I go» thing now
2017-08-20T01:04:07 < invzim> I'll have a looksie once I got hardware working and paying customers :)
2017-08-20T01:04:17 < invzim> right now I'm chasing a ghost :)
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2017-08-20T01:11:32 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/J0V7wcN
2017-08-20T01:13:11 < kakimir> true
2017-08-20T01:13:14 < kakimir> facts
2017-08-20T01:18:13 < invzim> here be dragons, power-toggle and now everything looks fine
2017-08-20T01:21:03 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_lLCcOEI78
2017-08-20T01:23:52 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile in muricaland http://imgur.com/ysDC2AM
2017-08-20T01:24:02 < apo> oh, Laurenceb_ is here
2017-08-20T01:24:13 < apo> Laurenceb: I'd like to use isochronous USB transfers for some small periodic data (~10 bytes, 1000 Hz, on an f103), and jpa- just told me that you're doing something similar. Got any pointers? :3
2017-08-20T01:24:25 < Laurenceb_> woah there
2017-08-20T01:24:31 < apo> (Doesn't really need to be isochronous, but any help would be neat)
2017-08-20T01:24:32 < Laurenceb_> I'm not that skilled
2017-08-20T01:24:38 < Laurenceb_> you need to speak to zyp
2017-08-20T01:24:54 < Laurenceb_> I'm maybe going to try to make something using usb for a work project
2017-08-20T01:25:36 < apo> ah, so USB-wise this sounds like the same stage where I am right now ;3
2017-08-20T01:35:50 < Laurenceb_> might use RS485 still
2017-08-20T01:36:02 < Laurenceb_> this project suffers from 8managers and 2engineers
2017-08-20T01:38:45 < emeryth> and 4channers?
2017-08-20T01:39:41 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-08-20T01:39:59 < Laurenceb_> also other engineer is a russian grrrl who is even weirder than me
2017-08-20T01:40:32 < qyx> I am trying to imagine in what sense
2017-08-20T01:41:05 < Laurenceb_> weird irl not just online
2017-08-20T01:41:58 < Laurenceb_> I suspect she is a recreational arsonist, luckily she doesnt live near me
2017-08-20T01:42:32 < Laurenceb_>  /r9k/ tier
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2017-08-20T01:43:17 < Laurenceb_> anyways all managers have to agree on the chosen design
2017-08-20T01:43:22 < Laurenceb_> like this will ever happen
2017-08-20T01:43:34 < Laurenceb_> luckily we have 3 months on the Gantt chart O_o
2017-08-20T01:43:40 < Laurenceb_> inb4 lul Gantt charts
2017-08-20T01:44:19 < BrainDamage> can you speak to her without stammering?
2017-08-20T01:44:43 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-08-20T01:44:53 < Laurenceb_> I know right, a real life grrrl
2017-08-20T01:44:56 < Laurenceb_> a 3d waifu
2017-08-20T01:45:48 < Laurenceb_> never seen a real 3d grrl before
2017-08-20T01:46:38 < kakimir> pump soon
2017-08-20T01:48:10 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could suggest a vote
2017-08-20T01:56:40 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kggA5_LuzC8
2017-08-20T01:56:42 < apo> Laurenceb_ │ this project suffers from 8managers and 2engineers <- that sounds familiar
2017-08-20T01:56:43 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
2017-08-20T01:57:35 < Laurenceb_> its all the measure vibration experienced by intensive care patients during transport
2017-08-20T01:58:00 < Laurenceb_> somehow we got very removed from reality and ended up in a massive email argument about how to connect the sensors
2017-08-20T01:58:53 < tpw_rules> ultrasonically
2017-08-20T01:59:48 < Laurenceb_> clearly bluetooth
2017-08-20T02:00:42 < BrainDamage> use surface acoustic waves on the vehicle's frame
2017-08-20T02:01:15 < BrainDamage> or maybe xray
2017-08-20T02:02:08 < Laurenceb_> I just remembered there is a chan board that is supposedly moderated by a weird russian grrl
2017-08-20T02:02:13 < Laurenceb_> this can only mean one thing
2017-08-20T02:04:31 < tpw_rules> hene lasers
2017-08-20T02:05:33 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/ppvshaF
2017-08-20T02:05:36 < Laurenceb_> mah waifu
2017-08-20T02:05:39 < qyx> can to the rescue
2017-08-20T02:05:44 < tpw_rules> i'm the tooth
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2017-08-20T02:07:13 < Laurenceb_> qyx: its only 1Mbps
2017-08-20T02:07:35 < tpw_rules> can fd
2017-08-20T02:07:55 < Laurenceb_> or use rs485 like a sane person
2017-08-20T02:07:59 < qyx> are you going to measure vibrations at 100 places at 1msps?
2017-08-20T02:08:25 < tpw_rules> put the vibrations through an mp3 codec
2017-08-20T02:11:06 < apo> "Coverage increased (+0.0001%)" whoo
2017-08-20T02:13:19  * apo has been writing a fixed-point library for his current stm32 project, it's coming along nicely :)
2017-08-20T02:14:45 < Laurenceb_> qyx: 32 places at 2ksps
2017-08-20T02:14:53 < Laurenceb_> with 3 axes
2017-08-20T02:17:05 < qyx> ok, fair enuf
2017-08-20T02:17:47 < Laurenceb_> midi cables might work
2017-08-20T02:18:40 < qyx> you mean those din-5?
2017-08-20T02:18:56 < qyx> are they twisted?
2017-08-20T02:19:30 < Laurenceb_> dont know
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2017-08-20T02:20:18 < qyx> what about devicenet cables and m12 connectors
2017-08-20T02:20:47 < tpw_rules> dmx cables
2017-08-20T02:20:52 < BrainDamage> they aren't twisted, but they use a weird current loop and ar optocoupled
2017-08-20T02:21:00 < qyx> more industrial, expensive and have locking/screw mechanism
2017-08-20T02:21:01 < BrainDamage> for "noise immunity" at few kHz
2017-08-20T02:21:21 < tpw_rules> dmx is rs485 and has nice connectors
2017-08-20T02:21:23 < tpw_rules> but biiig
2017-08-20T02:21:49 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2017-08-20T02:21:54 < qyx> what connectors does dmx use
2017-08-20T02:21:58 < tpw_rules> din-3
2017-08-20T02:22:05 < qyx> aha, xlr
2017-08-20T02:22:06 < tpw_rules> same as xlr but the gender is reversed
2017-08-20T02:22:31 < tpw_rules> and the dmx physical layer is plain rs485
2017-08-20T02:23:00 < tpw_rules> and they're pretty good about preventing errors cause otherwise you get crazy lightshows
2017-08-20T02:23:03 < qyx> still, i would go with M12 and not the funky audio stuff
2017-08-20T02:23:42 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2017-08-20T02:23:47 < Laurenceb_> 5 cores
2017-08-20T02:24:00 < Laurenceb_> I need power
2017-08-20T02:25:01 < qyx> thats power+, power-, canL, canH, shield
2017-08-20T02:25:08 < qyx> exchnge can with rs485
2017-08-20T02:26:03 < Laurenceb_> mini xlr looks ok http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/ty_fpc_cd.pdf
2017-08-20T02:26:50 < qyx> do you need some ingress protection?
2017-08-20T02:27:32 < Laurenceb_> no
2017-08-20T02:27:59 < Laurenceb_> standard dmx would be too big
2017-08-20T02:29:10 < Laurenceb_> cant find a mini dmx :(
2017-08-20T02:29:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe we have budget for plastic moulding
2017-08-20T02:29:43 < qyx> I hate mini xlr
2017-08-20T02:29:50 < qyx> NI uses then on their analol input cards
2017-08-20T02:29:54 < qyx> *them
2017-08-20T02:31:13 < qyx> but they also use other funny stuff like RJ50 10P10C
2017-08-20T02:38:36 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-08-20T02:38:45 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could try epoxy encapsulation
2017-08-20T02:38:56 < Laurenceb_> but it's very gone very well for me in the past
2017-08-20T02:39:13 < Laurenceb_> the pro way is plastic moulding around the cable
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2017-08-20T02:39:51 < Laurenceb_> the amount of abuse the kit is going to see in the field will be insane
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2017-08-20T02:41:29 < qyx> buying ready made cables is not feasible?
2017-08-20T02:42:24 < Laurenceb_> I can't see any
2017-08-20T02:43:13 < qyx> https://b2b.harting.com/ebusiness/en_us/M12-Cable-Assembly-A-cod-st-st-m-f-05m/21348485585005
2017-08-20T02:43:21 < qyx> if you select something standard, you can get them
2017-08-20T02:43:35 < qyx> about ~8€
2017-08-20T02:43:36 < Laurenceb_> M12
2017-08-20T02:43:39 < Laurenceb_> arg wut
2017-08-20T02:43:44 < Laurenceb_> so many connector types
2017-08-20T02:44:33 < Laurenceb_> but is that cable impedance matched twisted pair for rs485?
2017-08-20T02:45:17 < qyx> idk actually for this one
2017-08-20T02:45:29 < qyx> standard a-coded m12 should be
2017-08-20T02:45:40 < qyx> for can, but ~~
2017-08-20T02:46:10 < Laurenceb_> surely there is a mini dmx
2017-08-20T02:46:16 < Laurenceb_> but I can't find it anywhere
2017-08-20T02:47:19 < qyx> and standard rj45?
2017-08-20T02:47:36 < qyx> enough wires, twisted, good availability
2017-08-20T02:51:20 < Laurenceb_> maybe rj11
2017-08-20T02:52:24 < qyx> not easily available with overmolds
2017-08-20T02:52:49 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah
2017-08-20T02:52:51 < Laurenceb_> annoying
2017-08-20T02:53:08 < Laurenceb_> I need thin cables to minimise transmitted vibration
2017-08-20T02:53:53 < qyx> every 5 minutes a new requirement
2017-08-20T02:54:30 < qyx> m8 flexible sensor cables?
2017-08-20T02:54:33 < qyx> but not twisted
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2017-08-20T02:55:29 < Laurenceb_> I think I'm going to have to make something custom
2017-08-20T02:55:39 < Laurenceb_> dmx cable with a mini xlr plug fitted
2017-08-20T02:55:48 < Laurenceb_> then something like this http://agaus.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/TSE352-Flit-Plug-Encapsulant-TDS.pdf
2017-08-20T02:56:30 < Laurenceb_> looks like it would meet all my requirements
2017-08-20T02:56:59 < qyx> and how will you distribute the power?
2017-08-20T02:57:19 < Laurenceb_> 5 conductors
2017-08-20T02:57:46 < Laurenceb_> so I can use 2 for power, 2 for rs485 from sensors, and 1 for low rate comms to sensors
2017-08-20T02:58:08 < qyx> mini xlr has 3 pins
2017-08-20T02:58:22 < Laurenceb_> there is a 5 pin mini xlr
2017-08-20T02:58:30 < qyx> oh
2017-08-20T03:00:51 < qyx> lemo!
2017-08-20T03:03:34 < Laurenceb_> https://is.alicdn.com/img/pb/255/617/608/608617255_147.jpg
2017-08-20T03:03:37 < Laurenceb_> looks good enough
2017-08-20T03:08:21 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/67d8ab4f4c/38833.jpg
2017-08-20T03:08:26 < Laurenceb_> murica intensifies
2017-08-20T03:10:43 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/67d8ab4f4c/38822.jpg
2017-08-20T03:10:45 < Laurenceb_> accurate
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2017-08-20T03:50:42 < Laurenceb_> Co=27, V=23, Fe=26
2017-08-20T03:50:42 < Laurenceb_> 2+7+2+3 = 14
2017-08-20T03:50:42 < Laurenceb_> 2+6=8
2017-08-20T03:50:42 < Laurenceb_> CoVFeFe=1488
2017-08-20T03:55:58 < dongs> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/bar-buggy/6268997268.html
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2017-08-20T04:30:42 < Thorn> I love it when people crap https://youtu.be/X1RVYt2QKQE?t=9m20s
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2017-08-20T04:47:57 < upgrdman> Thorn, lol
2017-08-20T04:48:23 < dongs> kotlin is for faggots
2017-08-20T04:48:29 < dongs> faggot language
2017-08-20T04:48:50 < upgrdman> who didnt expect that statement from dongs?
2017-08-20T04:49:05 < dongs> no, i've actually seen code written in it
2017-08-20T04:49:32 < upgrdman> write-only code?
2017-08-20T05:18:33 < englishman> hi curt
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2017-08-20T05:24:20 < englishman> what a friendly guy
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2017-08-20T05:29:17 < englishman> ate foie gras tonight, but not typical foie gras
2017-08-20T05:29:29 < englishman> it was literally, the gras of the foie
2017-08-20T05:29:32 < englishman> amazing
2017-08-20T05:30:42 < tpw_rules> what's a foie
2017-08-20T05:31:22 < englishman> liver
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2017-08-20T07:00:16 < upgrdman> lol china  http://i.imgur.com/RaAuMUp.gif
2017-08-20T07:00:18 < upgrdman> good idea tho
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2017-08-20T07:12:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> Ok. So the i2c clock speed is within 10kHz (110 v. 100), the same address,  and the ack is happening.
2017-08-20T07:13:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> But the Byte transfer flag is not working? I think it's the stm32 that's keeping the clock line low anyway
2017-08-20T07:13:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> well, maybe the ack's not happening
2017-08-20T07:20:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> The top is the stm32f103 - it's pausing at the while loop where I check for the BTF http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=118109
2017-08-20T07:20:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> Any thoughts?
2017-08-20T07:20:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> For the top (stm32) I should ote that SDA doesn't come back donw
2017-08-20T07:23:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> wait, yes it does. Just that it stays up for 61 uS
2017-08-20T07:23:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> SCL doesn't then come bck up though
2017-08-20T07:26:19 < dongs> f1 i2c peripheral is absolute shite
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2017-08-20T07:28:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> indeed. Am well aware
2017-08-20T07:31:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> But like, it can be done. And i'm not being slave mode or anything overly complicated
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2017-08-20T07:44:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> ah, ok.
2017-08-20T07:44:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> The example I started from wasn't clearing the ADDR bit properly after sending the data
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2017-08-20T08:04:25 < upgrdman> lol https://i.redd.it/m1sal6b7rrgz.jpg
2017-08-20T08:09:27 < upgrdman> pro design work: http://imgur.com/lUHrjRP
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2017-08-20T08:38:27 < stvn> microniggers
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2017-08-20T10:23:25 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/rLpioL88.html holy nigger HAL shit is so FUCKING GROSS
2017-08-20T10:23:29 < dongs> what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2017-08-20T10:23:40 < dongs> the only fucking positive thing is that this shit is hopefully autogenerated
2017-08-20T10:24:18 < dongs> literally all this does is RCC->APB2ENR |= 1 << faggot
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2017-08-20T10:36:35 < zyp> haha
2017-08-20T10:43:49 < dongs> how can i find cpu load without rtos?
2017-08-20T10:44:30 < zyp> do you sleep?
2017-08-20T10:44:36 < dongs> nope jsut while(1)
2017-08-20T10:44:41 < zyp> then it's 100%
2017-08-20T10:44:52 < dongs> ya but i mena of a particular ISR
2017-08-20T10:45:06 < dongs> im trying to do software pwm (and failing miserably)
2017-08-20T10:45:16 < dongs> but the leds blink really weirdly
2017-08-20T10:46:10 < zyp> IIRC there's a DWT register that counts number of cycles spent on ISR processing
2017-08-20T10:46:16 < zyp> alongside DWT_CYCCNT
2017-08-20T10:46:34 < dongs> if i could use cycCUNT on this F0 i would be alrady using it for delay
2017-08-20T10:46:40 < dongs> instead of HAL_FUCKOFF() routines
2017-08-20T10:46:59 < zyp> oh, right, if you don't have DWT, you can't measure that
2017-08-20T10:47:25 < qyx> with a timer?
2017-08-20T10:48:27 < dongs> with a timer wat
2017-08-20T10:48:49 < dongs> damn my desk is a clusterfuck
2017-08-20T10:48:52 < dongs> i need to clean that shit tomrow
2017-08-20T10:48:58 < dongs> not enough space for typing even
2017-08-20T10:49:17 < qyx> if it is not a super special case, you can enable counter on the beginning and disable on return
2017-08-20T10:50:17 < dongs> ok, wonderful
2017-08-20T10:50:20 < dongs> the timer output doesnt even make sense
2017-08-20T10:50:24 < dongs> fucking HAL
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2017-08-20T10:54:14 < dongs> ok got leds working but i had to switch to 5 bit pwm
2017-08-20T10:54:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> why can I not eonnct.
2017-08-20T10:54:21 < dongs> and now they're at 153Hz
2017-08-20T10:54:21 < dongs> waht
2017-08-20T10:55:24 < dongs> if CPU is at 48MHz, tim1 is on APB, which is also at 48mhz, my prescaler is 4800-1
2017-08-20T10:55:30 < dongs> how is led PWM 153Hz???
2017-08-20T10:57:04 < dongs> i blame all this trash on hal, i NEVER had problems with any of this shit working with stdperiph
2017-08-20T11:03:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> Why is openocd just saying "error: timed out while waiting for target halted"
2017-08-20T11:03:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> it was working, fo rhours
2017-08-20T11:04:13 < dongs> your opensores license expired
2017-08-20T11:05:51 < dongs> what the fuck am I missing? 48MHz timer, 4800-1 prescaler, period=1, firing update interrupt
2017-08-20T11:05:59 < dongs> interrupt should run at ~1khz< yeah?
2017-08-20T11:06:42 < dongs> i put a gpio toggle in there and its 2.53khz...
2017-08-20T11:06:51 < dongs> wehre is this faggot nubmer even coming from
2017-08-20T11:08:29 < dongs> MCO is 48mhz...
2017-08-20T11:11:08 < zyp> 48M / 4800 is 10k
2017-08-20T11:11:34 < zyp> toggling at 10k gives 5kHz, since toggling is a /2 operation
2017-08-20T11:12:24 < c4017> are you sure apb is at 48mhz not 24?
2017-08-20T11:12:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> this is suddenly a good time to sotp for the day
2017-08-20T11:12:42 < dongs> c4017: according to clock tree, yeah
2017-08-20T11:12:47 < zyp> wait
2017-08-20T11:12:57 < zyp> period=1 is also a /2 IIRC
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2017-08-20T11:13:04 < dongs> zyp, with 48000-1 its 253Hz
2017-08-20T11:13:37 < zyp> stop doing silly period, set PSC = 0 and ARR = 48000-1
2017-08-20T11:14:10 < zyp> then you'll get interrupts at 1kHz, and toggling in the interrupt will then show up as 500Hz
2017-08-20T11:14:30 < ohsix> sup
2017-08-20T11:14:32 < ohsix> in rv again
2017-08-20T11:14:41 < ohsix> been fixing stuff, it's kind of fun
2017-08-20T11:14:49 < dongs> yeah, 503Hz
2017-08-20T11:14:52 < dongs> slightly better
2017-08-20T11:15:09 < ohsix> ~everything but the engine and stuff is non-essential, it still works during repairs
2017-08-20T11:15:43 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: which target & programmer, and what is your srst setting
2017-08-20T11:16:05 < ohsix> PaulFertser can help you out, but it probably is srst
2017-08-20T11:17:01 < zyp> dongs, wtf is up with +3?
2017-08-20T11:17:12 < dongs> no idea!
2017-08-20T11:17:19 < zyp> this shit running from untuned HSI or something?
2017-08-20T11:17:24 < dongs> well, its that F0
2017-08-20T11:17:27 < dongs> with usb thing
2017-08-20T11:17:36 < zyp> HSI48 is only used for usb, not sysclk
2017-08-20T11:17:39 < dongs> MCO was at around 48.xx-49MHz
2017-08-20T11:18:06 < zyp> or idk, I've only worked on L0, not F0
2017-08-20T11:18:21 < zyp> my L0 stuff runs usb from HSI48 but sysclk from HSI16
2017-08-20T11:18:53 < dongs> yeah i donno i just clicked defaults
2017-08-20T11:18:55 < dongs> in cube
2017-08-20T11:19:04 < zyp> but yeah, if your sysclk is 48.29 or so, then the led will be 503
2017-08-20T11:19:07 < dongs> i liked when this shit was actually a usable excel worksheet
2017-08-20T11:19:12 < zyp> haha
2017-08-20T11:19:16 < dongs> now its some unmanageable faggotry
2017-08-20T11:19:24 < ohsix> i miss irc & fucking around
2017-08-20T11:19:30 < zyp> and yet people argue the clock setup stuff in cubemx as its big feature
2017-08-20T11:19:36 < zyp> along with pin mapping
2017-08-20T11:19:39 < ohsix> heheh i have to make a token amount of money to give it any attention
2017-08-20T11:19:56 < dongs> i think
2017-08-20T11:20:05 < dongs> it actualy IS clocking from hsi48
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2017-08-20T11:20:12 < zyp> ok
2017-08-20T11:20:18 < dongs> the hsi48 thing goes to 'system clock mux' thing
2017-08-20T11:20:20 < dongs> and thats whats slected
2017-08-20T11:20:22 < zyp> well, HSI48 is useless without CRS enabled and synced
2017-08-20T11:20:29 < dongs> you mean without usb connected/
2017-08-20T11:20:40 < zyp> I mean, not useless but the accuracy aren't there
2017-08-20T11:20:49 < zyp> basically, yes
2017-08-20T11:21:18 < dongs> lemme try with regular HSI t hen
2017-08-20T11:21:28 < zyp> in the basic case, CRS locks to the rate of SOF tokens arriving over USB, calibrating HSI48 from that
2017-08-20T11:21:51 < zyp> CRS can also lock to other sync sources like LSE, depending on what you have available
2017-08-20T11:22:11 < zyp> but without any sync source, HSI48 won't be very accurate
2017-08-20T11:22:31 < zyp> since the whole accuracy thing is because it can autocalibrate
2017-08-20T11:22:57 < dongs> what a fucking scam
2017-08-20T11:22:59 < dongs> changed NOTHING
2017-08-20T11:23:21 < dongs> hm wat
2017-08-20T11:23:22 < zyp> well, HSI is not very accurate either, that's why HSE is a thing
2017-08-20T11:23:33 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-20T11:23:37 < dongs> led toggle is 501hz now
2017-08-20T11:23:39 < dongs> which is close enough
2017-08-20T11:23:40 < dongs> but
2017-08-20T11:23:45 < dongs> everything else became slow...
2017-08-20T11:24:10 < zyp> that doesn't make sense, unless you fucked up something else
2017-08-20T11:25:09 < dongs> yo uare right
2017-08-20T11:25:16 < dongs> its fucked now even i go back to settings
2017-08-20T11:25:47 < dongs> and there's no fucking 'reset to default'
2017-08-20T11:26:57 < dongs> i think something is fucked up wiht systick
2017-08-20T11:27:10 < dongs> changing shit probably made it run at over 9000mhz
2017-08-20T11:27:16 < dongs> and its making everyhtying else slow
2017-08-20T11:27:24 < zyp> haha, could be
2017-08-20T11:29:01 < dongs> yep, mothercfucker
2017-08-20T11:29:07 < dongs> systemcoreclock = 8000000
2017-08-20T11:29:11 < dongs> fucking hal garbage fagotware
2017-08-20T11:29:22 < dongs> calculated somewehre in teh anal cavity of autogenrated code
2017-08-20T11:29:41 < dongs> how can anyone get anything done wiht this shit holy fucking fuck
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2017-08-20T11:32:39 < zyp> well, it's the same as all other auto-magic
2017-08-20T11:33:02 < zyp> it's fine when it just works, but it's a pain to debug when it doesn't because everything is hidden away
2017-08-20T11:33:03 < dongs> yeah but this doesnt work
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2017-08-20T11:34:12 < zyp> yeah, I've seen so much auto-magic that doesn't work that I prefer avoiding it, I like knowing everything that's going on
2017-08-20T11:34:34 < zyp> though, for the TI stuff at work I use their HAL generator shit
2017-08-20T11:34:53 < zyp> I'll probably get rid of it gradually or something
2017-08-20T11:35:31 < dongs> oh fucking wow.
2017-08-20T11:35:31 < dongs> so
2017-08-20T11:35:46 < dongs> HAL tarsh generates SystemClock_Config()
2017-08-20T11:35:51 < dongs> which correctly sets shit
2017-08-20T11:35:58 < dongs> however
2017-08-20T11:35:59 < dongs> inside that
2017-08-20T11:36:00 < dongs> it uses
2017-08-20T11:36:16 < dongs> HAL_RCC_GetHCLKFreq()
2017-08-20T11:36:21 < dongs> which returns SystemCoreClock
2017-08-20T11:36:28 < dongs> which is still set to 8000000 by default
2017-08-20T11:36:31 < dongs> until that function exits
2017-08-20T11:36:32 < dongs> ...
2017-08-20T11:36:46 < dongs> calls it like 3 times
2017-08-20T11:36:49 < dongs> including systick related trash
2017-08-20T11:38:54 < dongs> wait wtf
2017-08-20T11:39:01 < dongs>  /*Configure the SysTick to have interrupt in 1ms time basis*/ HAL_SYSTICK_Config(HAL_RCC_GetHCLKFreq()/1000U);
2017-08-20T11:39:08 < dongs> getHCLKfreq returns 48000000
2017-08-20T11:39:14 < dongs>  /1000 thats nowhere near 1ms
2017-08-20T11:39:25 < dongs> what is this dumb broken garbage omg
2017-08-20T11:39:40 < dongs> and this is all in code i cant fucking cahgne
2017-08-20T11:39:46 < dongs> because if I do, next time i write the project its delted
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2017-08-20T11:48:12 < dongs> what the fuck in the clcok tree thes 48mhz going to cortex system timer
2017-08-20T11:48:24 < dongs> the only other option it has is /8 divider
2017-08-20T11:48:39 < dongs> i need a fucking "unfuck this shit" button in cube
2017-08-20T11:52:17 < dongs> i dont even fucking know at this point
2017-08-20T11:52:21 < dongs> fucking niggers
2017-08-20T11:52:22 < dongs> fuck ST
2017-08-20T11:52:23 < dongs> switching to avr
2017-08-20T11:57:04 < invzim> Some files I just copy over to a folder 'cube-generated', and track the changes in git
2017-08-20T11:57:47 < invzim> for the clock-config and stuff, I copy the text
2017-08-20T11:58:08 < dongs> nope
2017-08-20T11:58:12 < dongs> i dont even want to touch any of that faggot shit
2017-08-20T11:58:20 < dongs> i added precisely 2 lines of code into thier autogenerated shit
2017-08-20T11:58:24 < dongs> setup() and loop()
2017-08-20T11:58:29 < invzim> so project/stm32/cube for inspiration and stuff above my paygrade
2017-08-20T11:58:30 < dongs> and th en i dont touch any of it
2017-08-20T11:58:40 < invzim> and project/stm32/eclipse for the stuff that actually gets compiled
2017-08-20T11:58:47 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-08-20T12:00:06 < invzim> the cube folder has gitignore that only includes the cube project file
2017-08-20T12:00:45 < dongs> why would you waste tiem copypasting shit out of cube stuff?
2017-08-20T12:01:00 < dongs> the whole fucking point of the garbage getting autogenerated is that y ou arent supposed to fuck with it
2017-08-20T12:02:36 < invzim> well, if I knew 100% exactly all parameters and had the all settings perfect in cube before doing any actual coding - I wouldn't have to deal with it
2017-08-20T12:03:04 < invzim> but I didn't, so path of least resistance I guess
2017-08-20T12:04:07 < dongs> ok systick IS running at 1khz
2017-08-20T12:04:10 < dongs> what the hell then
2017-08-20T12:04:21 < invzim> I'm using eclipse with arm stuff, so cube doesn't generate a compatible project anyway
2017-08-20T12:10:49 < zyp> dongs, haha
2017-08-20T12:11:59 < zyp> the TI stuff sometimes keeps autogenerating stupid ISRs that I can't override
2017-08-20T12:12:24 < zyp> so I throw out the entire module instead
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2017-08-20T12:13:33 < dongs> ok so my softpwm shit executes in 225ns
2017-08-20T12:13:46 < dongs> the ISR that calcultes bsrr for crap and assigns it
2017-08-20T12:14:41 < dongs> 10 clock cycles? hmm
2017-08-20T12:14:43 < dongs> seems kinda fast
2017-08-20T12:26:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> ohsix I'll keep that in mind for tomorrow when I try agaion
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2017-08-20T12:55:41 < jpa-> dongs: it only seems fast until you add the 22 clock cycles taken by isr entry & exit
2017-08-20T12:57:11 < dongs> why is dumb6 even talking? has he completed a single stm32 project
2017-08-20T12:57:28 < dongs> jpa-: well, yeah i just measured by blinkled around the actual function call
2017-08-20T12:59:40 < dongs> i dont care as long as its not really awful
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2017-08-20T13:28:16 < dongs> Laurenceb: beep
2017-08-20T13:28:37 < dongs> Laurenceb: my UK pal who is a complete shithead wants to know what hardware store (physical) to buy  shit like https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071R4KT7L/ at
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2017-08-20T13:47:57 < Steffanx> Sounds any random (larger) DIY store have that? :S
2017-08-20T13:48:03 < Steffanx> *shouldnt
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2017-08-20T14:09:02 < dongs> Steffanx: thats what i told him
2017-08-20T14:09:04 < dongs> he says "its UK"
2017-08-20T14:09:10 < dongs> im like, they can't be all dumb niggers like Laurenceb
2017-08-20T14:22:06 < kakimir> :]
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2017-08-20T15:05:38 < Steffanx> wasnt there this country where diy stores werent all this common, i believe zyp or jpa- mentioned something like htat once
2017-08-20T15:28:46 < jpa-> not me.. i believe i could find something like that in a few stores around here
2017-08-20T15:28:55 < jpa-> nearest just 1km away
2017-08-20T15:29:32 < dongs> yeah this is literally any store that sells hammers or whatever would also sell this shit
2017-08-20T15:29:35 < dongs> i donno wat drugs this guy is on
2017-08-20T15:29:41 < Steffanx> Autism.
2017-08-20T15:29:48 < dongs> fo sho
2017-08-20T15:29:49 < Steffanx> What else.
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2017-08-20T15:45:51 < invzim> got ali withdrawal syndrome, anyone picked up any ee related good stuff lately?
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2017-08-20T16:07:20 < Steffanx> i dont browse ali express for crap
2017-08-20T16:07:54 < dongs> i think thjorn does
2017-08-20T16:08:01 < dongs> and maybe amp6
2017-08-20T16:08:08 < dongs> but neither can afford to actually buy anything
2017-08-20T16:08:13 < dongs> so they're just window shopping
2017-08-20T16:08:15 < BrainDamage> semi-related, do you guys have some squeegees to recommend?
2017-08-20T16:08:25 < dongs> how much do you wanna spend
2017-08-20T16:08:30 < dongs> cuz i can recommend some absolutely pro shit
2017-08-20T16:08:53 < dongs> http://www.transitionautomation.com/squeegee_order_han.html#han-a
2017-08-20T16:08:59 < BrainDamage> i was thinking 30-40, can spend more if it's really good valu
2017-08-20T16:09:09 < dongs> these start at $100
2017-08-20T16:09:18 < dongs> but so fucking worth it
2017-08-20T16:09:57 < sync_> it depends on what you want to squeegee
2017-08-20T16:10:01 < BrainDamage> k, I'll take your word and shell some shekels then
2017-08-20T16:10:07 < BrainDamage> solder paste ofc
2017-08-20T16:10:14 < dongs> ask englishman he also has it
2017-08-20T16:10:28 < dongs> and im using in my proshop
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2017-08-20T16:22:29 < Laurenceb_> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/bar-buggy/6268997268.html
2017-08-20T16:22:35 < Laurenceb_> perpetual motion engine
2017-08-20T16:22:37 < Laurenceb_> emdrive btfo
2017-08-20T16:22:39 < dongs> 09:55 < dongs> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/bar-buggy/6268997268.html
2017-08-20T16:22:39 < dongs> 22:22 < Laurenceb_> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/bar-buggy/6268997268.html
2017-08-20T16:22:44 < dongs> you're way too late with this one
2017-08-20T16:24:06 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-900pcs-lot-Delicate-Nail-Tools-Nail-Polish-Remover-Wipes-Nail-Art-Tips-Cotton-Lint-Pads/32662717634.html
2017-08-20T16:24:17 < invzim> running low on these so picked up some more
2017-08-20T16:24:37 < Steffanx> I dont want to know what you use them for
2017-08-20T16:24:43 < invzim> very nice for cleaning off flux
2017-08-20T16:25:53 < Steffanx> I just sponsor a local shop for stuff like that. Dont see the point but THAT in china.
2017-08-20T16:26:09 < Steffanx> *to buy that
2017-08-20T16:26:22 < invzim> not sure where to pick it up locally tbh
2017-08-20T16:26:38 < Steffanx> Ask you sister/mom ;)
2017-08-20T16:49:16 < englishman> BrainDamage: tranny automation 100%
2017-08-20T16:49:41 < englishman> you gotta call and convince the old guy to take your credit cars number tho
2017-08-20T17:02:46 < Laurenceb_> tranny automation?!
2017-08-20T17:02:52 < Laurenceb_> automated sex changes?>
2017-08-20T17:03:44 < Steffanx> ^^ triggered
2017-08-20T17:04:17 < Laurenceb_> like totally
2017-08-20T17:05:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnN0SP9SrN8
2017-08-20T17:06:15 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should kickstart a sex change robot
2017-08-20T17:12:47 < Steffanx> better kickstarter some humor.
2017-08-20T17:15:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUYWt-LX-Q
2017-08-20T17:15:33 < BrainDamage> maybe we should start a gofundme for comedy lessons for laurenceb
2017-08-20T17:15:48 < Steffanx> I'm in
2017-08-20T17:20:30 < Laurenceb_> stop oppressing me
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2017-08-20T17:26:05 < Steffanx> We only want the best for you Laurenceb_
2017-08-20T17:26:09 < Laurenceb_> TRUMPS BATES THE FAKE NEWS HE IS NOT PICKING SIDES HE DIDN'T PICK THE LEFT SIDE AND THAT'S ALL THEY HERE THEY WILL LIE SO HE HAS TO STAND BACK AND LET THE FAKE NEWS LIE SO HE CAN CALL THEM OUT LATER 4D CHESS HOOK LINE AND SINKER MEDIA IS CRASHING SO HARD AND TRUMP IS DOING GREAT JOB AT WINNING THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE NEWLY AWAKENED AMERICA GREATEST THING TO HAPPEN IN OUR COUNTRY FOR YEARS
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2017-08-20T17:34:16 < upgrdman> looks safe  http://i.imgur.com/zlFDNuE.jpg
2017-08-20T17:36:10 < Laurenceb_> pronstation
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2017-08-20T18:09:43 < Laurenceb_> anyone here ever encapsulated plugs?
2017-08-20T18:10:10 < Laurenceb_> I'm wondering if any of the products sold for doing this are actually better than epoxy
2017-08-20T18:10:47 < Laurenceb_> whenever I try encapsulating with epoxy the results are shit as it doesnt bond v well to PVC etc
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2017-08-20T19:02:38 < qyx> doesn't it need to be actually heated?
2017-08-20T19:07:44 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-08-20T19:07:53 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe I should try an oven
2017-08-20T19:07:55 < Laurenceb_> https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0IyeMK6G2Gr1Gm3e/giphy.gif
2017-08-20T19:08:50 < qyx> see how do they do it in a lego factory
2017-08-20T19:08:56 < qyx> much molding
2017-08-20T19:10:17 < zyp> Laurenceb_, I remember that
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2017-08-20T23:13:58 < Steffanx> </silence>
2017-08-20T23:15:34 < kakimir> hello
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2017-08-20T23:46:06 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/oonUIDv
2017-08-20T23:46:12 < Laurenceb_> graphics skillz intensify
2017-08-20T23:47:23 < kakimir> it disturbs me
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2017-08-20T23:53:02 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/IhNXbNv
2017-08-20T23:53:09 < Laurenceb_> Ben Garrison has been busy
--- Day changed Mon Aug 21 2017
2017-08-21T00:02:05 < Steffanx> At least use Visio or something Laurenceb_ ( or the open sores alternative Dia )
2017-08-21T00:02:23 < Laurenceb_> I used Dia
2017-08-21T00:02:29 < Steffanx> Damn 4 real?
2017-08-21T00:02:35 < Laurenceb_>  (for the first one not the second)
2017-08-21T00:02:36 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-08-21T00:02:37 < Steffanx> Doesnt look like my average Dia creation at all
2017-08-21T00:03:14 < Laurenceb_> even more sucky?
2017-08-21T00:03:22 < Steffanx> more pro, duh
2017-08-21T00:03:28 < Laurenceb_> lul ok
2017-08-21T00:03:34 < Steffanx> I tried open office/libre office draw once, damn that tooling is bad
2017-08-21T00:03:38 < Steffanx> When you're used to Visio
2017-08-21T00:03:48 < Laurenceb_> tbh I took literally 30s cuz email arguments were raging
2017-08-21T00:04:02 < zyp> Laurenceb_, so how's the project progressing?
2017-08-21T00:04:14 < Laurenceb_> descended into email arguments
2017-08-21T00:04:21 < Laurenceb_> wew new email just arrived
2017-08-21T00:04:26 < zyp> gotten any code done yet?
2017-08-21T00:04:31 < Laurenceb_> Please calm down. We are making important decisions here
2017-08-21T00:04:52 < Laurenceb_>  take a deep breath, go for a walk, step away from the keyboards everyone
2017-08-21T00:04:56 < Laurenceb_> lulling hard
2017-08-21T00:05:13 < Laurenceb_> code?! lulwut
2017-08-21T00:05:42 < Steffanx> dear Laurenceb_ when you are qouting someone, please use <<  >> or " ". Ty!
2017-08-21T00:05:45 < zyp> PoC of the usb data collection shit
2017-08-21T00:05:48 < Laurenceb_> at this rate it could take months to agree wtf we are building
2017-08-21T00:05:55 < Steffanx> << breivik style quotes >>
2017-08-21T00:05:59 < Steffanx> or whatever zyp uses for that
2017-08-21T00:06:00 < Steffanx> too
2017-08-21T00:06:01 < Laurenceb_> lol
2017-08-21T00:06:03 < zyp> Steffanx, fuck off
2017-08-21T00:06:14 < Steffanx> lol zyp.
2017-08-21T00:06:17 < Laurenceb_> I thought of zyp when I read his manifesto
2017-08-21T00:06:17 < zyp> «fuck off»
2017-08-21T00:07:18 < Steffanx> Such unfriendly zyp, im not used to that.
2017-08-21T00:07:23 < zyp> also old
2017-08-21T00:07:23 < zyp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/philosophy.txt#L59
2017-08-21T00:07:57 < Steffanx> Too bad Laurenceb_ didnt know how to write the name of his idol properly.
2017-08-21T00:08:17 < zyp> that's ok, he changed it
2017-08-21T00:08:36 < zyp> he's now named Fjotolf Hansen
2017-08-21T00:09:00 < zyp> ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Names
2017-08-21T00:11:36 < Steffanx> yay
2017-08-21T00:11:49 < kakimir> #terror32
2017-08-21T00:12:03 < Steffanx> ##finland32 , same thing.
2017-08-21T00:34:35 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/898999600635424768
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2017-08-21T01:44:10 < dongs> permanently closed is about right
2017-08-21T01:53:19 < Thorn> dongs: I started using kotlin in my work project 👍
2017-08-21T01:56:21 < Thorn> 5 LOC instead of 50 in a model class
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2017-08-21T02:13:33 < dongs> you should die
2017-08-21T02:18:04 < kakimir> share your innovation dongs
2017-08-21T02:18:10 < kakimir> what are you up to now?
2017-08-21T02:20:06 < dongs> not much
2017-08-21T02:20:16 < dongs> writing UI for my STM32 powered led blinker
2017-08-21T02:20:23 < dongs> for sure making more progress than o6 have ever done
2017-08-21T02:22:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/77w9o5R.jpg
2017-08-21T02:24:16 < dongs> wait what
2017-08-21T02:24:26 < dongs> brevik didn't get death penalty after killing 77 people?
2017-08-21T02:25:18 < dongs> oh looks like thats the longest you ca be behind bars in norgay
2017-08-21T02:25:56 < Laurenceb_> 10 years baby
2017-08-21T02:26:10 < Laurenceb_> less than 4 twitter trolling in uk
2017-08-21T02:26:53 < kakimir> isn't 22years maximum penalty in norway
2017-08-21T02:27:24 < dongs> kakimir: 21 yeah
2017-08-21T02:27:25 < dongs> thats what he got
2017-08-21T02:27:43 < dongs> but can be extended as long as they want
2017-08-21T02:30:14 < kakimir> if they think he might have mental issue at the time
2017-08-21T02:32:02 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_prison_sentences#Prisoners_sentenced_to_more_than_1.2C000_years_in_prison some countries go all ridiculous
2017-08-21T02:32:04 < Laurenceb_> maybe he just wants to hang on /pol/
2017-08-21T02:32:54 < Laurenceb_> https://www.smooth-on.com/product-line/xtc-3d/
2017-08-21T02:34:30 < kakimir> like what are you thinking when you sentence someone for 30000years..
2017-08-21T02:37:03 < Laurenceb_> > 141,078 years
2017-08-21T02:37:10 < Laurenceb_> > she was released after only eight
2017-08-21T02:37:19 < Laurenceb_> truly epic fail
2017-08-21T02:37:54 < kakimir> for world record scamming
2017-08-21T02:38:13 < Laurenceb_> > 42,924 years
2017-08-21T02:38:22 < Laurenceb_> > maximum sentence that any of them can serve is 40 years
2017-08-21T02:38:35 < Laurenceb_> wew so much fail in this list
2017-08-21T02:42:32 < kakimir> has you been in thailands Laurenceb_ ?
2017-08-21T02:43:05 < kakimir> what is the holiday destination for brit bongs anyways?
2017-08-21T02:43:57 < dongs> poland
2017-08-21T02:44:01 < dongs> to visit auschwitz
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2017-08-21T02:55:40 < dongs> holy shit
2017-08-21T02:55:51 < dongs> there's a 1200 people stm32 channel on telegram
2017-08-21T02:55:54 < dongs> ripe for trolling
2017-08-21T02:56:03 < dongs> https://telegram.me/stm32hal
2017-08-21T02:57:12 < dongs> hol y shit
2017-08-21T02:57:14 < dongs> and its full of arabs
2017-08-21T02:57:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0Lnz7xm.png
2017-08-21T02:57:47 < dongs> wait waht
2017-08-21T02:57:48 < dongs> its readonly
2017-08-21T02:57:52 < dongs> just for spamming Lol
2017-08-21T02:57:58 < Thorn> سلام به همه دوستان و همراهان
2017-08-21T02:57:58 < Thorn> کتاب C هم امروز به چاپ رسید و میتونید اونرو از فردا از انتشارات دیباگران تهران تهیه کنید
2017-08-21T02:58:16 < dongs> fuckin hell. useless
2017-08-21T02:59:36 < dongs> https://t.me/proembedded
2017-08-21T02:59:37 < dongs> fucking hell
2017-08-21T02:59:40 < dongs> some commie shit
2017-08-21T03:02:32 < dongs> https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAADyXG2GxiAPXrErksw
2017-08-21T03:02:37 < dongs> why the fuck are these things readonly
2017-08-21T03:02:42 < dongs> with just some paki linking shit
2017-08-21T03:03:19 < dongs> lol, arabic stm32 voice tutorials
2017-08-21T03:03:23 < Thorn> because you're a filthy infidel
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2017-08-21T03:03:27 < dongs> yaeh
2017-08-21T03:03:55 < dongs> maybe i need to search for groups, not channel
2017-08-21T03:04:00 < dongs> channel = read only/notifications
2017-08-21T03:05:04 < dongs> Lessons learned in 25 years of Linux kernel development ...
2017-08-21T03:05:04 < dongs> https://opensource.com/.../16/.../yearbook-9-lessons-25-years-linux-kernel-developme...
2017-08-21T03:05:19 < dongs> doesn't sound like they actually learned anything
2017-08-21T03:05:22 < dongs> cuz lunix is still around
2017-08-21T03:05:30 < dongs> if they learned stuff, it would have bene gone long time ago
2017-08-21T03:14:28 < dongs> https://telegram.me/embeddedsys
2017-08-21T03:14:32 < dongs> pakis but not readonly
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2017-08-21T03:16:25 < Laurenceb_> thing is say what you want about breivik
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2017-08-21T03:16:41 < Laurenceb_> but the fucker plagiarised his manifesto
2017-08-21T03:16:49 < Laurenceb_> thats just unacceptable
2017-08-21T03:18:10 < dongs> how i write assembly language program for 8051 microcontroller to clear the entire internal RAM using indirect addressi
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2017-08-21T03:37:19 < Laurenceb_> Please calm down. We are making important decisions here
2017-08-21T03:37:32 < Laurenceb_> Take a deep breath, perhaps go for a walk outside
2017-08-21T03:37:43 < Laurenceb_> muh jerb is epin
2017-08-21T03:37:53 < Laurenceb_> I can extract troll copypasta from the email
2017-08-21T03:42:14 < dongs> https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
2017-08-21T03:42:18 < dongs> is it RIGHT NOW
2017-08-21T03:52:38 < dongs> nope looks like bullshi recorded footage
2017-08-21T03:52:39 < dongs> trolled
2017-08-21T03:53:21 < dongs> fgt6 should haev a periscope (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=periscope , defition #2) setup for the event
2017-08-21T04:07:41 < Thorn> they will if there's a shooting at cape canaveral
2017-08-21T04:07:59 < dongs> wat
2017-08-21T04:08:34 < Laurenceb_> wtf is going on  ?
2017-08-21T04:09:10 < Laurenceb_> wew those sentences
2017-08-21T04:09:18 < Laurenceb_> 915 for cheese pizza
2017-08-21T04:09:21 < Laurenceb_> *years
2017-08-21T04:11:26 < Laurenceb_> then again in UK you can get 3 years for visiting encyclopedia dramatica
2017-08-21T04:16:32 < dongs> why arent you behind bars then
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2017-08-21T05:14:28 < englishman> amazing chinese design
2017-08-21T05:14:29 < englishman> https://store.myairbot.com/esc/typhoon324in1.html
2017-08-21T05:14:35 < englishman> >External capacitors needed
2017-08-21T05:15:49 < englishman> what the shit is telegram
2017-08-21T05:16:12 < englishman> Telegram is a free, non-profit[12][13] cloud-based instant messaging service.
2017-08-21T05:16:13 < ohsix> in rv
2017-08-21T05:16:16 < englishman> why would dong ever touch this
2017-08-21T05:16:17 < ohsix> it's moving this time olol
2017-08-21T05:16:43 < ohsix> i had a bluetooth gps ready for this but i forgot it :(
2017-08-21T05:17:04 < englishman> Telegram has also faced criticism for its wide-scale use by the ISIL terrorist organization.
2017-08-21T05:17:07 < englishman> ahh its clear now
2017-08-21T05:17:45 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKRFFJCxx-w
2017-08-21T05:18:09 < englishman> cool
2017-08-21T05:19:31 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/kD9RNpd.png crappy photo from laptop cam
2017-08-21T05:19:40 < ohsix> lol
2017-08-21T05:19:41 < ohsix> ooooooolol
2017-08-21T05:19:49 < ohsix> there were some chicks in a civic i could see their tits
2017-08-21T05:19:57 < ohsix> titty overwatch
2017-08-21T05:22:08 < aandrew> ohsix: why am I looking througha  bus windshield?
2017-08-21T05:53:45 < upgrdman> <ohsix> there were some chicks in a civic i could see their tits
2017-08-21T05:53:50 < upgrdman> fun times in oregon?
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2017-08-21T06:04:25 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/JzTQHVM.gifv
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2017-08-21T07:11:09 < dongs> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.jp/2013/05/an-old-gem.html
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2017-08-21T09:11:55 < dongs> just had honor of looking at fatfs code from cubemx
2017-08-21T09:12:13 < dongs> there are 3 layers of indirection before sector is read from disk
2017-08-21T09:12:35 < dongs> diskio->msp->hal->lowlevel
2017-08-21T09:12:41 < dongs> what a retarded god damn joke
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2017-08-21T09:25:00 < zyp> haha
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2017-08-21T09:58:45 < Steffanx> But they use keil, keil will fix.
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2017-08-21T12:04:10 < stvn> hello welcome
2017-08-21T12:04:25 < stvn> Steffan you'll be glad to know my friend went to dutchland and sampled some fine wafel
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2017-08-21T12:29:37 < stvn> <stvn> IT'S THE WRONG FUCKING PIN SET
2017-08-21T12:29:47 < Laurenceb_> >AI leaders
2017-08-21T12:29:52 < Laurenceb_> >Elon Musk
2017-08-21T12:29:58 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40995835
2017-08-21T12:32:53 < stvn> we've done it!
2017-08-21T12:32:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> stupid thing won't connect
2017-08-21T12:32:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> openocd
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2017-08-21T12:33:05 < stvn> we've designed a computer that actually is a paedophile!
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2017-08-21T12:33:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> I changed the programer, and have disconnected the blue pill board from the rest of the circuitry
2017-08-21T12:33:26 < stvn> its incapable of physical abuse, it just  thinks like a paedophile!
2017-08-21T12:33:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> openocd fails. Works fine with a different programmer and blue pill board
2017-08-21T12:33:41 < stvn> you know what they say about openocd right
2017-08-21T12:34:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> don't question it when it works, cry when it doenst?
2017-08-21T12:35:02 < stvn> just goto senpai
2017-08-21T12:35:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> ?
2017-08-21T12:36:24 < stvn> senpai will fix all your stm32 problem
2017-08-21T12:36:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> but who's senpai?
2017-08-21T12:37:46 < stvn> only the enlightened will truly know of senpai
2017-08-21T12:42:02 < stvn> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/
2017-08-21T12:42:23 < dongs> haha
2017-08-21T12:42:43 < dongs> keil is so great, tehy had to put a second webs erver
2017-08-21T12:42:48 < dongs> just to serve its greatness
2017-08-21T12:50:18 < Steffanx> Stvn is back :S
2017-08-21T12:50:38 < stvn> ty sir
2017-08-21T12:50:45 < stvn> my friend went to .nl
2017-08-21T12:50:51 < stvn> and sampled your gear
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2017-08-21T12:59:14 < stvn> cats
2017-08-21T12:59:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> tbh, I think it's slightly ore likely that I just buggered up the chip somehow
2017-08-21T12:59:38 < dongs> no
2017-08-21T13:00:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> The same hardware was working early yesterday - the same openocd config on the same usb port on the same computer on the same OS works with a different stm32 and st-link
2017-08-21T13:00:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> oh, and this is a brand new st-link (clone) that i'm using now
2017-08-21T13:00:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> not that the old one worked
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2017-08-21T13:02:12 < PaulFertser> some stlink clones have SRST miswired
2017-08-21T13:04:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> I don't THINK that the blue pills have that connected anyway....
2017-08-21T13:04:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> the new programmer is working, I had it connected wrong
2017-08-21T13:05:25 < PaulFertser> blue pills have reset pin exposed, you can use it if you want.
2017-08-21T13:05:27 < stvn> fucking
2017-08-21T13:05:29 < stvn> wtf
2017-08-21T13:05:39 < stvn> instead of due date - its not jew date
2017-08-21T13:05:44 < stvn> fucking ##stm32
2017-08-21T13:05:48 < stvn> *now
2017-08-21T13:05:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> for some reason, i replugged the first blue pill and it's working
2017-08-21T13:06:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is there a good reason to use SRST?
2017-08-21T13:07:26 < PaulFertser> When your firmware disables swd pins or sleeps and you want to be able to reflash it.
2017-08-21T13:07:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> yes. That is a good reason.
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2017-08-21T13:25:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> oooookaaay. I change my code and now it stops disconnecting.
2017-08-21T13:28:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> https://bpaste.net/show/c4239824e34b
2017-08-21T13:28:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> The offending function
2017-08-21T13:29:54 < stvn> it's all in gobbledygook!
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2017-08-21T13:44:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's not THAAAT bad
2017-08-21T13:44:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> Not that it's very good
2017-08-21T13:54:38 < Steffanx> And weed stvn ?
2017-08-21T13:54:58 < stvn> eh?
2017-08-21T13:57:48 < stvn> hi mate
2017-08-21T13:58:51 < dongs> < Jak_o_Shadows> The offending function
2017-08-21T13:58:54 < dongs> what is this garbage bro
2017-08-21T13:58:57 < dongs> why are you using doubles
2017-08-21T13:58:59 < dongs> on F103
2017-08-21T13:59:03 < dongs> at least use floats
2017-08-21T13:59:11 < dongs> or even better redo taht shit in fixedpoint
2017-08-21T13:59:48 < dongs> wait waht, its contants
2017-08-21T14:00:03 < dongs> im gonna guess you have some retarded divide by zero there
2017-08-21T14:00:36 < Steffanx> Waffles is not the only thing we're good at stvn
2017-08-21T14:00:41 < stvn> gobbledygook!
2017-08-21T14:01:53 < stvn> i dunno why it looks like shekelshit
2017-08-21T14:03:21 < stvn> i wonder what type of machine you are trying to make
2017-08-21T14:05:26 < dongs> vaper
2017-08-21T14:06:38 < stvn> is he?
2017-08-21T14:08:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> dongs, those things should just get shoved into compile time evaluations right?
2017-08-21T14:19:54 < stvn> do you vape?
2017-08-21T14:23:46 < stvn> thankyou.
2017-08-21T14:26:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmmm. It's breaking on divide. (not dividing by zero)
2017-08-21T14:27:37 < stvn> okay
2017-08-21T14:28:17 < stvn> senpai knows
2017-08-21T14:34:48 < dongs> hah astvn
2017-08-21T14:34:53 < dongs> i cant fucking chat in #stonertronics
2017-08-21T14:35:02 < dongs> didnt notice, kept typing trolls
2017-08-21T14:35:05 < dongs> and nobody saw them
2017-08-21T14:35:05 < dongs> fuck
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2017-08-21T14:37:01 < stvn> identify nigger
2017-08-21T14:37:02 < stvn> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/6/69/Nixfornigs.gif
2017-08-21T14:38:38 < Laurenceb> sup trolls
2017-08-21T14:38:45 < Laurenceb> do I dare to check wurk emails
2017-08-21T14:38:48 < stvn> hi Laurenceb
2017-08-21T14:38:53 < stvn> do i dare?
2017-08-21T14:40:07 < stvn> fucking rs and their ceramicnigger caps
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2017-08-21T14:40:17 < stvn> about fuckingtime
2017-08-21T14:40:30 < stvn> trying to build shit
2017-08-21T14:40:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Didn't have -mcpu=cortex-m3 in it, so the assembly was different from what it was, so it is now working
2017-08-21T14:40:58 < stvn> what tard environment are you using?
2017-08-21T14:41:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> ahahahahhahahahaha. My own makefile. Was libopencm3, but I don't think part of the auto-makefile stuff is working
2017-08-21T14:42:25 < stvn> jesus
2017-08-21T14:42:28 < zyp> guess it was working before you broke it
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2017-08-21T14:42:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> Probably
2017-08-21T14:42:42  * stvn lights up another marijuana
2017-08-21T14:43:23 < dongs> bedtime
2017-08-21T14:43:42 < stvn> later
2017-08-21T14:45:23 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/7KvMY5.jpg
2017-08-21T14:46:48 < Laurenceb> coincidence? I think not
2017-08-21T14:47:26 < stvn> politics
2017-08-21T14:47:37 < stvn> truly boring
2017-08-21T14:48:26 < stvn> checking the news apparently some filthy fat gook is mad at .au again
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2017-08-21T15:05:25 < Laurenceb> peace through violence and murder, thats my motto
2017-08-21T15:05:44 < Laurenceb> if everyone is genocided then there can be no war
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2017-08-21T15:23:04 < Steffanx> Blabla. Find a shrink Laurenceb
2017-08-21T15:23:57 < Steffanx> Why the lpc emav driver for lwip is such piece of crap. Everyone seems to have issues with it.
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2017-08-21T15:41:33 < englishman> I want to read about lunix haters, but dongs website is utterly unusable on mobile
2017-08-21T15:41:39 < englishman> Linux hating fail.
2017-08-21T15:44:32 < Laurenceb> lunix hate crimes powered by lunix
2017-08-21T15:44:59 < Laurenceb> how long before hate speech against lunix results in a prison sentence?
2017-08-21T15:45:46 < Laurenceb> anti Lunix is code for anti Linus
2017-08-21T15:46:00 < upgrdman> anus torvalds
2017-08-21T15:46:37 < Laurenceb>  *triggered*
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2017-08-21T16:09:09 < Steffanx> Shrink.
2017-08-21T16:18:04 < Laurenceb> ok lunix fans
2017-08-21T16:18:09 < Laurenceb> muh ssh is broken
2017-08-21T16:18:21 < Laurenceb> i can ssh localhost, but not my ip address
2017-08-21T16:19:38 < englishman> wat
2017-08-21T16:19:39 < tpw_rules> have you installed systemd
2017-08-21T16:19:51 < englishman> you mean public interweb ip
2017-08-21T16:20:22 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-08-21T16:21:11 < c10ud^> reverse nat support missing in your stuff
2017-08-21T16:21:24 < Laurenceb> possibly
2017-08-21T16:21:43 < Laurenceb> ebug2: resolving
2017-08-21T16:21:53 < Laurenceb> debug1: Connecting to
2017-08-21T16:22:03 < Laurenceb> so it resolved the ip and tried to connect?
2017-08-21T16:24:50 < englishman> "Possibly"
2017-08-21T16:25:22 < englishman> of course it resolved ip
2017-08-21T16:25:32 < englishman> then tried to connect and your router firewall said nyope
2017-08-21T16:25:47 < englishman> til you open a port and set up a static route
2017-08-21T16:25:52 < englishman> bro do you even route
2017-08-21T16:28:10 < Laurenceb> I only permanoob
2017-08-21T16:28:26 < Laurenceb> I don't know wtf is going on
2017-08-21T16:28:36 < Laurenceb> problem on my machine or on the network?
2017-08-21T16:28:46 < englishman> does it work if you ssh to local lan ip
2017-08-21T16:29:12 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-08-21T16:29:20 < englishman> yeah so
2017-08-21T16:29:22 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2017-08-21T16:29:44 < englishman> public IP is assigned to the WAN interface of your Router
2017-08-21T16:29:53 < englishman> so it tries to connect there
2017-08-21T16:30:12 < englishman> if you want that to actually ssh into your local machine, you have to tell your router to route shit there
2017-08-21T16:30:20 < englishman> usually in some NAT setting menu
2017-08-21T16:30:46 < Laurenceb> https://yearoftheguineapig.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/parents-basement.jpg?w=277&h=210
2017-08-21T16:30:51 < Laurenceb> I have to visit this guy
2017-08-21T16:30:56 < englishman> and hopefully on a port other than 22 to reduce automatic attacks
2017-08-21T16:31:06 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-21T16:31:14 < englishman> isn't that your mom
2017-08-21T16:31:23 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-08-21T16:31:33 < Laurenceb> this is a jerb machine
2017-08-21T16:32:10 < englishman> better yet set up a VPN server on your routet
2017-08-21T16:32:20 < englishman> then its like you're on local land from aaaanywhere
2017-08-21T16:34:20 < Laurenceb> I hate to think how obnoxious the it guy is here....
2017-08-21T16:34:35 < Laurenceb> who new levels of basement dweller
2017-08-21T16:35:10 < Laurenceb>  "oh you want to have ssh enabled, and what would you possibly want that for"
2017-08-21T16:35:20 < Laurenceb> "nobody uses ssh"
2017-08-21T16:35:45 < tpw_rules> what do they use instead
2017-08-21T16:35:48 < tpw_rules> i want to be in pain
2017-08-21T16:36:03 < Laurenceb> windozer remote login shit
2017-08-21T16:36:08 < tpw_rules> nice
2017-08-21T16:36:18 < tpw_rules> "citrix"
2017-08-21T16:36:25 < Laurenceb> that rings a bell
2017-08-21T16:36:43 < Laurenceb> lul Russian grrl has arrived 4 wurk
2017-08-21T16:37:00 < Laurenceb> its almost 3pm
2017-08-21T16:37:07 < Laurenceb> she is already drunk
2017-08-21T16:39:05 < englishman> novell NetWare
2017-08-21T16:39:07 < Laurenceb> this jerb is retarded, email arguments are reaching about 2 rage mails per minute
2017-08-21T16:39:17 < BrainDamage> wetware
2017-08-21T16:39:24 < englishman> 8 managers 2 engineers right
2017-08-21T16:39:31 < Laurenceb> I should get some guns from muricaland so we can have a staff shoot out
2017-08-21T16:39:32 < Laurenceb> yup
2017-08-21T16:39:41 < englishman> all for babby shaking
2017-08-21T16:40:04 < Laurenceb> its descended into who was insulting who via email
2017-08-21T16:40:14 < Laurenceb> meta design rage arguments
2017-08-21T16:40:21 < englishman> there is a guy here with tons of MLP and opensores stickers on his laptop
2017-08-21T16:40:37 < englishman> they always seem to go hand in hand
2017-08-21T16:41:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Brony%20Nazi
2017-08-21T16:42:57 < Laurenceb> wew russian grrrl is vaping in the office
2017-08-21T16:43:03 < Laurenceb> jerb blog intensifies
2017-08-21T16:46:08 < Laurenceb> http://www.rean-connectors.com/zoolu-website/media/download/9521/Assembly+Instruction+-+TINY+xlr+female+cable+connector
2017-08-21T16:46:17 < Laurenceb> looks relevant to my interests
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2017-08-21T17:07:13 < Laurenceb> wew the basement dweller is female, obvious diversity hire is obvious
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2017-08-21T17:19:51 < Steffanx> Shrink.
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2017-08-21T17:31:37 < Laurenceb> Grow
2017-08-21T17:38:44 < upgrdman> anyone know a cheap stepper driver ic that can do at least 1.5A and can work with motor voltage of 3-4V ?
2017-08-21T17:38:54 < upgrdman> i see some from TI
2017-08-21T17:39:02 < upgrdman> and i see a bunch of NRND cheaper options :(
2017-08-21T17:39:02 < sync_> 3-4V?
2017-08-21T17:39:05 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-21T17:39:07 < sync_> hmm
2017-08-21T17:39:09 < upgrdman> 1S Li
2017-08-21T17:46:08 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/gUTW2Ml
2017-08-21T17:47:12 < Laurenceb>  /pol/ irl
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2017-08-21T18:06:08 < upgrdman> looking for a cheap usb 1-cell 18650 charger. richtek decent? http://www.richtek.com/assets/product_file/RT9526A/DS9526A-03.pdf   something better?
2017-08-21T18:07:22 < karlp> usb-charging-helper-chips.txt has some notes...
2017-08-21T18:07:35 < karlp> also battery-lipo-charging.txt
2017-08-21T18:10:10 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/42xb6-.jpg
2017-08-21T18:10:46 < upgrdman> karlp, nice
2017-08-21T18:11:02 < karlp> stand on the shoulders upgrdman, stand on the shoulders.
2017-08-21T18:11:10 < upgrdman> indeed
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2017-08-21T19:42:56 < Laurenceb> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=6_hours&mc=40.21495,-109.31678&f=KE7HVE-11
2017-08-21T19:42:59 < Laurenceb> dat map
2017-08-21T19:52:07 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/898649859938439168
2017-08-21T20:03:27 < kakimir> When does it happens?
2017-08-21T20:04:54 < karlp> I take it that's a lot more balloons in the air than normal?
2017-08-21T20:10:15 < Laurenceb> just a bit
2017-08-21T20:10:24 < Laurenceb> they are aligned along the eclipse path
2017-08-21T20:12:39 < karlp> yes, I recognise that much :)
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2017-08-21T20:25:23 < upgrdman> RIP Laurenceb http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/21/ukgov_to_treat_online_abuse_as_seriously_as_offline_hate/
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2017-08-21T20:44:01 < Laurenceb> jail 4 lief
2017-08-21T20:45:06 < sync_> upgrdman: are you back from clonercentral?
2017-08-21T20:45:52 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-21T20:46:37 < Steffanx> Will you scream and yell and omg as well upgrdman ?
2017-08-21T20:47:22 < upgrdman> Steffanx, about what?
2017-08-21T20:47:26 < Steffanx> (like they just did on tv while watching the eclipse)
2017-08-21T20:47:40 < upgrdman> oh, im not in the path of the eclipse.
2017-08-21T20:47:48 < Steffanx> Awh
2017-08-21T20:48:09 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGfyIR4W0AA9RUk.jpg:large
2017-08-21T20:48:16 < upgrdman> besides, watching some 4k60 video of the eclipse would prolly look more impressive than seeing it in person anyway, heh
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2017-08-21T20:49:18 < Steffanx> Whats next? Just watch an animation?
2017-08-21T20:49:30 < zyp> idk
2017-08-21T20:49:38 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4OQXr.jpg <- this was pretty fucking impressive
2017-08-21T20:50:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2017-08-21T20:50:43 < upgrdman> zyp, agreed. next time record it in 4k60 with decent optics ;)
2017-08-21T20:52:14 < zyp> that was taken with a $1k lens, it's kinda hard to get decent pics through an airliner window
2017-08-21T20:52:34 < zyp> I don't think 4k cams were very common in 2008
2017-08-21T20:52:46 < zyp> but yeah, some better footage would have been great
2017-08-21T20:53:10 < BrainDamage> zyp: yours?
2017-08-21T20:53:12 < zyp> yes
2017-08-21T20:53:20 < BrainDamage> very nice
2017-08-21T20:53:35 < sync_> heh, yeah the us got screwed over with eclipses
2017-08-21T20:54:19 < zyp> I was totally unprepared for that, I thought I'd miss the eclipse completely since it happened to be right when I was flying back from my first trip to jp
2017-08-21T20:55:04 < zyp> so that pic is probably taken somewhere over russia
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2017-08-21T21:21:42 < Laurenceb> omg the balloon tracker
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2017-08-21T21:47:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2017-08-21T21:47:55 < Laurenceb> this is pretty dorky
2017-08-21T21:48:41 < Steffanx> oh no there is the yelling.
2017-08-21T21:48:55 < Steffanx> closed window
2017-08-21T21:52:00 < sync_> yelling?
2017-08-21T21:53:12 < Laurenceb> Trump-Moon 2020
2017-08-21T21:53:39 < Laurenceb> solar lives matter
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2017-08-21T22:10:46 < Laurenceb> the eclipse is racist
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2017-08-22T00:42:50 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_wxsVWXXQM musics time
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2017-08-22T01:01:31 < upgrdman> machinist pros: i want to buy the parts to make one axis of motion. what do i search for on ebay? like i want: two rails, the acme or ball screw, the nut, mounting blocks.
2017-08-22T01:01:44 < upgrdman> tried "cnc rail" but get lots of useless shit
2017-08-22T01:02:06 < upgrdman> err "cnc axis"
2017-08-22T01:02:26 < upgrdman> oh. linear slider did the trick. nm
2017-08-22T01:02:30 < upgrdman> slide*
2017-08-22T01:02:35 < ds2> what kind of motion do you need?
2017-08-22T01:02:42 < ds2> slides is just one way
2017-08-22T01:02:55 < ds2> polished rods is another.... polished dove tails is yet another...
2017-08-22T01:03:56 < upgrdman> you know how a flatbed scanner moves?
2017-08-22T01:04:02 < upgrdman> thats basically what i need
2017-08-22T01:04:07 < ds2> how fast?
2017-08-22T01:04:15 < upgrdman> i have steppers/drivers
2017-08-22T01:04:18 < upgrdman> but, not very fast
2017-08-22T01:04:27 < upgrdman> maybe 1 meter in 5 seconds
2017-08-22T01:04:29 < ds2> how precise/accurate?
2017-08-22T01:04:37 < upgrdman> 0.5mm would be nice
2017-08-22T01:04:39 < ds2> 1M in 5sec? that is fast
2017-08-22T01:04:45 < upgrdman> ok
2017-08-22T01:05:17 < ds2> that's like 480IPM... most small mills do 20IPM and that's fast
2017-08-22T01:05:26 < ds2> do you have any loads on it?
2017-08-22T01:06:12 < upgrdman> yes. maybe 3-5kg
2017-08-22T01:08:06 < ds2> guess you need a linear slide... watch out for poorly made ones for that
2017-08-22T01:08:09 < ds2> what are you making?
2017-08-22T01:08:34 < upgrdman> quick and dirty PROtotype. imagine a flatbed scanner, but for xrays.
2017-08-22T01:10:58 < ds2> ah... are you driving it with a lead screw?
2017-08-22T01:11:33 < upgrdman> lead screw == ball or acme screw? if so, yes
2017-08-22T01:12:59 < ds2> or even V thread if it is quick and dirty :D
2017-08-22T01:13:19 < ds2> but if you are copying the 3D printer guys, they like using a belt
2017-08-22T01:13:38 < upgrdman> ya we may go with a belt for production use
2017-08-22T01:13:41 < upgrdman> just to keep it quiet
2017-08-22T01:14:17 < upgrdman> oh fuck
2017-08-22T01:14:17 < ds2> belts can be faster unless you get some steep threads
2017-08-22T01:14:49 < upgrdman> we have like a dozen ball screw/nut/polished rails/etc in a corner of my warehouse
2017-08-22T01:15:01 < upgrdman> a little on the small side, but good enough for muh PROtotype
2017-08-22T01:16:01 < upgrdman> if i dont give my chinegineers a working example of the motion, they'll go back and forth for years on how to do it and why it wont work and blah blah blah
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2017-08-22T01:48:17 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41007410
2017-08-22T01:48:21 < Laurenceb_> the sick fuck
2017-08-22T01:48:43 < Laurenceb_> he used to hang on irc
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2017-08-22T01:50:53 < Laurenceb_> likely /r9k/ tier slasher rapist
2017-08-22T02:02:42 < dongs> sup dongs
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2017-08-22T02:23:29 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: used to hang on ##stm32
2017-08-22T02:26:18 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: did you irc with him?
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2017-08-22T02:32:57 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: yes
2017-08-22T02:33:38 < kakimir> what was he like?
2017-08-22T02:34:14 < kakimir> if he murdered her I think she maybe hasn't been the first
2017-08-22T02:34:29 < kakimir> he sails around and murder
2017-08-22T02:35:06 < Laurenceb_> a bit psycho
2017-08-22T02:35:24 < kakimir> submarine is an accessory
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2017-08-22T02:37:17 < kakimir> what channel Laurenceb_ ?
2017-08-22T02:38:15 < Laurenceb_> secret
2017-08-22T02:39:56 < kakimir> is it a topic channel?
2017-08-22T02:40:36 < kakimir> or some sort of 4chan on irc
2017-08-22T02:44:22 < kakimir> I would assume
2017-08-22T02:47:11 < Laurenceb_> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/21/american-soldier-james-dresnok-who-defected-to-north-korea-has-died-say-sons
2017-08-22T02:47:15 < Laurenceb_> wew those guys
2017-08-22T02:47:25 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should defect to best korea
2017-08-22T02:52:03 < kakimir> destroy the regime inside out
2017-08-22T03:09:48 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHxf2CXVoAMnKPh.jpg
2017-08-22T03:09:52 < Laurenceb_> the face of /pol/
2017-08-22T03:14:13 < Laurenceb_> found another one http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/epic-fail-black-nazi.jpg
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2017-08-22T03:59:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/electronics/make-led-pcb-metal-core/
2017-08-22T03:59:33 < dongs> no
2017-08-22T04:02:42 < dongs>     HAL_RCC_OscConfig                        0x0800072d   Thumb Code  1532  stm32f0xx_hal_rcc.o(i.HAL_RCC_OscConfig)
2017-08-22T04:02:46 < dongs> fucking gross
2017-08-22T04:02:54 < dongs> 1.5k fucking kilobytes
2017-08-22T04:03:59 < dongs>     HAL_RCC_ClockConfig                      0x080003f9   Thumb Code   444  stm32f0xx_hal_rcc.o(i.HAL_RCC_ClockConfig)
2017-08-22T04:04:03 < dongs> another good one
2017-08-22T04:05:56 < dongs>     loop                                     0x08001a7d   Thumb Code   394  < all of my code
2017-08-22T04:30:54 < dongs> https://japantoday.com/category/national/hokkaido-wild-marijuana-removal-efforts-can%E2%80%99t-keep-up-with-rate-of-growth
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2017-08-22T05:11:57 < dongs> so uh
2017-08-22T05:11:59 < dongs> HAL users
2017-08-22T05:12:06 < dongs> stdperiphlib used to have shit like GPIO_StructInit()
2017-08-22T05:12:09 < dongs> to prepare all teh crap
2017-08-22T05:12:12 < dongs> at known defaults
2017-08-22T05:12:15 < dongs> i see no equivalent in HAL
2017-08-22T05:12:22 < dongs> basicalyl all the _StructInit() stuff is gone
2017-08-22T05:12:27 < dongs> unless its some dumb macros
2017-08-22T05:12:29 < dongs> that i cant find
2017-08-22T05:17:30 < aandrew> hm?
2017-08-22T05:18:13 < dongs> just that man
2017-08-22T05:18:58 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/LUfQvzQK
2017-08-22T05:19:03 < aandrew> isn't that pretty uch the same thing?
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2017-08-22T05:23:53 < dongs> there was a _StructInit() to match every shit structure in HAL
2017-08-22T05:23:57 < dongs> which was helpful
2017-08-22T05:23:59 < dongs> and I always used
2017-08-22T05:25:20 < aandrew> hm
2017-08-22T05:25:29 < dongs> but yeah i dont see it in hal.
2017-08-22T05:25:41 < dongs> i guess they just expect you to magically know default params for every struct
2017-08-22T05:25:46 < dongs> and not forget to initialize thjem
2017-08-22T05:25:59 < dongs> reason i brought this up: HALPAL was having trouble with shit code crashing SDIO at random
2017-08-22T05:26:27 < dongs> tracked it down to uninitialised GPIO struct in totally unrelated bit of code that disabled pullup on SDIO lines, beacuse it wasn't initialized
2017-08-22T05:26:57 < dongs> not asying his code is great or anythign cuz hes a faggot, BUT if tehre was a structinit, this wouldn't have happened
2017-08-22T05:42:03 < aandrew> oh
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2017-08-22T05:42:22 < aandrew> yeah, I am kind of anal about memset() and specifying everything in the _Init() func
2017-08-22T05:42:26 < aandrew> for that exact reason
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2017-08-22T05:58:17 < dongs> http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/4_wire_pwm_spec.pdf haha, i had no idea this was a spec
2017-08-22T06:00:36 < apo> "Steady state operation fan current draw shall not exceed 1.5 A." "Fan current spike during start-up operation shall be allowed to exceed 1.0 A" what
2017-08-22T06:00:53 < dongs> what?
2017-08-22T06:01:00 < dongs> whats wrong with that
2017-08-22T06:01:34 < apo> when starting up, it can be > 1 A for no more than a second
2017-08-22T06:01:39 < apo> after that it can be 1.5 A
2017-08-22T06:01:47 < dongs> sure
2017-08-22T06:01:49 < apo> ...
2017-08-22T06:01:52 < apo> No, not sure
2017-08-22T06:10:11 < tpw_rules> maybe they mean 1A above nominal?
2017-08-22T06:10:50 < apo> nope, it says the maximum's 2.2 A
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2017-08-22T07:04:01 < englishman> skype taking 35% CPU
2017-08-22T07:04:04 < englishman> fucking garbage
2017-08-22T07:05:43 < dongs> use skype4ubunto
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2017-08-22T07:07:30 < englishman> im 50ft from twitter HQ
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2017-08-22T07:42:20 < dongs> https://japantoday.com/category/business/feature-japanese-firms-hiring-more-people-with-mental-health-issues
2017-08-22T07:42:23 < dongs> time to look for a job
2017-08-22T07:44:27 < englishman> san francisco is a shitty smelly sinkhole
2017-08-22T07:46:20 < dongs> COMP1 sounds liek comparator
2017-08-22T07:47:47 < dongs> sounds like you just want input capture
2017-08-22T07:48:01 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-22T07:48:10 < dongs> yeah
2017-08-22T07:48:15 < dongs> its programmable too.
2017-08-22T07:48:24 < dongs> its fairly new-ish
2017-08-22T07:48:25 < englishman> oh youre autisming
2017-08-22T07:48:30 < dongs> some F0/F3 parts
2017-08-22T07:48:30 < englishman> ok il let you ragechat
2017-08-22T07:50:53 < dongs> its definitely in docs
2017-08-22T07:50:57 < dongs> i recall some small ns number.
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2017-08-22T08:01:54 < dongs> theres a diagram
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2017-08-22T08:16:37 < dongs> they are configurable
2017-08-22T08:16:40 < dongs> all this shit is in datasheet/rm
2017-08-22T08:48:10 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ohh9iHc.gifv
2017-08-22T09:03:39 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/olimex-ltd/ARM-JTAG-20-10/1188-1016-ND/3471401
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2017-08-22T09:50:57 < ohsix> aandrew: it was a novelty ;p
2017-08-22T09:51:22 < ohsix> had internets almost all the way but no real time to fuck around
2017-08-22T09:52:43 < ohsix> i did run gqrx the whole time and saw lots of weird shit tho
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2017-08-22T10:40:01 < Steffanx> Dont please me
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2017-08-22T11:31:17 < Laurenceb_> > GamerGateIsISIS
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2017-08-22T12:25:09 < stvn> hwllo
2017-08-22T12:25:11 < stvn> welcome.
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2017-08-22T12:30:01 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/1r8q9mp518hz.jpg
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2017-08-22T12:35:28 < stvn> yeah she's a real unit
2017-08-22T12:39:48 < stvn> mitrax mate
2017-08-22T12:41:22 < stvn> TY
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2017-08-22T12:58:06 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRmCIVG1aVE
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2017-08-22T13:15:12 < stvn> welcome PeterM
2017-08-22T13:16:50 < Steffanx> Hello
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2017-08-22T13:21:14 < stvn> ^
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2017-08-22T13:48:40 < stvn> fucking hell mate
2017-08-22T13:48:49 < stvn> you're bouncing around like a dead nigger on a chain
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2017-08-22T14:23:52 < ReadErr> excuse me?
2017-08-22T14:31:45 < Laurenceb> wew stabilotron was stolen
2017-08-22T14:31:48 < Laurenceb> maybe...
2017-08-22T14:38:45 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/a/x094y
2017-08-22T14:39:38 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHy5FbsUMAEFKay.jpg:large
2017-08-22T14:40:11 < karlp> is that the one near canada?
2017-08-22T14:40:43 < Laurenceb> stabilotron was from uk
2017-08-22T14:40:57 < Laurenceb> three axis stabilised with megabux camera on the bottom
2017-08-22T14:41:23 < Laurenceb> when they got to the landing site it looked like the payload had been chopped off
2017-08-22T14:41:28 < karlp> right, but what are we meant to be looking at?
2017-08-22T14:41:37 < karlp> that was just a big map covered in icons and circles
2017-08-22T14:41:50 < Laurenceb> all the baloon flights yesterday
2017-08-22T14:42:02 < karlp> right, so nothing to do with stabilotron being stolen.
2017-08-22T14:42:07 < Laurenceb> nope
2017-08-22T14:42:13 < karlp> just the same thing you pasted yesterday showing lots of balloons
2017-08-22T14:54:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/34163889333/
2017-08-22T14:57:25 < jpa-> why is it shaking?
2017-08-22T14:57:58 < Laurenceb> deliberate, to simulate flight
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2017-08-22T15:13:39 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/14T9MFZ
2017-08-22T15:13:45 < Laurenceb> facepalm
2017-08-22T15:25:52 < karlp> whynot just link to a proper source article.
2017-08-22T15:43:59 < Laurenceb> cuz i only browse 4chan
2017-08-22T15:53:40 < karlp> perhaps you should evaluate your life choices in that regard.
2017-08-22T15:56:02 < karlp> damnit.
2017-08-22T15:56:12 < karlp> I named a bunch of thing serial/value/index.
2017-08-22T15:56:24 < karlp> it would have been _much_ better to name them serial/index/value.
2017-08-22T15:56:30 < karlp> hindsight always I guess.
2017-08-22T15:57:38 < Laurenceb> I need to run my rs485 hub with minimal gpio
2017-08-22T15:57:48 < Laurenceb> need 4 gpio per channel
2017-08-22T15:58:22 < Laurenceb> thinking 4 line data bus, 4 line address and latch line, then 4-16 selector ic and 4 bit latches
2017-08-22T15:58:33 < Laurenceb> one latch per channel
2017-08-22T15:58:36 < Laurenceb> sounds sane?
2017-08-22T16:00:23 < jpa-> why not just a bunch of shift registers on SPI?
2017-08-22T16:00:56 < Laurenceb> then I would need latches as well?
2017-08-22T16:01:26 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-22T16:01:39 < Laurenceb> maybe a  global enable line would do it
2017-08-22T16:03:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MC74HC595A-D.PDF
2017-08-22T16:03:35 < karlp> are you trying to do switching point to point rs422 things?
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2017-08-22T16:03:48 < karlp> using addresses to switch them hardware rather than protocol on rs485 to select?
2017-08-22T16:04:25 < jpa-> Laurenceb: 74HC495 or something?
2017-08-22T16:04:41 < jpa-> err yeah
2017-08-22T16:04:43 < jpa-> 595
2017-08-22T16:04:54 < Laurenceb> karlp: yeah
2017-08-22T16:05:05 < Laurenceb> uart to the hub
2017-08-22T16:05:25 < Laurenceb> then two gpio per channel to rx and tx enable for each transceiver
2017-08-22T16:05:37 < karlp> soundsd like you're overthinking it again.
2017-08-22T16:05:38 < Laurenceb> and an "error" and "ok" led
2017-08-22T16:05:59 < Laurenceb> whats the simpler way?
2017-08-22T16:06:07 < Laurenceb> each rs485 bus is only half duplex
2017-08-22T16:06:22 < englishman> a million rs323 cables probed with a million addresses will eventually present the proper device
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2017-08-22T16:07:54 < jpa-> Laurenceb: why not just have a protocol on the rs485 to handle addressing?
2017-08-22T16:08:01 < karlp> ^^
2017-08-22T16:08:09 < karlp> nah, add more wires. that will make it easier.
2017-08-22T16:08:26 < Laurenceb> well I need to reduce the number of wires
2017-08-22T16:08:34 < karlp> so stop adding them?
2017-08-22T16:08:38 < Laurenceb> so half duplex rs485
2017-08-22T16:08:47 < Laurenceb> which reduces the number of wires
2017-08-22T16:08:54 < karlp> so where the fuck did address latches come into it then?
2017-08-22T16:09:00 < Laurenceb> wires to the hub is a non issue
2017-08-22T16:09:15 < Laurenceb> the hub is going to be a cradle type thing the datalogger plugs into
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2017-08-22T16:47:53 < qyx> I don't get the hub idea
2017-08-22T16:48:26 < qyx> I was in the impression that you selected rs485 because a) it is a shared bus and allows you to connect all devices together without a hub
2017-08-22T16:48:45 < qyx> b) you can handle addressing and bidirectional comms
2017-08-22T16:48:59 < qyx> but now you are thinking about hubs and a dedicated wire for sensor communication
2017-08-22T16:49:09 < qyx> and rx enable and tx enable and such things
2017-08-22T16:49:19 < tpw_rules> timeslicing!
2017-08-22T16:49:28 < tpw_rules> i was just watching a mikeselectricstuff video on that
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2017-08-22T17:00:49 < Laurenceb> qyx: rs485 is simpler
2017-08-22T17:01:14 < Laurenceb> I really need a hub anyway to meet all the iso<whatever> specs
2017-08-22T17:03:43 < karlp> yes, we' were trying to tell you rs485 was simpler...
2017-08-22T17:03:46 < karlp> but ok...
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2017-08-22T17:06:20 < BrainDamage> rs485 was simple until you add hub, at that point you're reinventing your own multiplexing protocol
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2017-08-22T17:18:10 < qyx> in that case you can also use usb or ethernet
2017-08-22T17:18:12 < qyx> spacewire!
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2017-08-22T17:27:22 < Steffann> I would use CAN and a hub for that.
2017-08-22T17:27:36 < Steffann> such automoative
2017-08-22T17:27:42 < Steffann> automotive.
2017-08-22T17:45:04 < sync_> Lin!
2017-08-22T17:45:15 < sync_> Or most
2017-08-22T17:55:08 < Steffann> Foundation fieldbus, hell of a job. Especially getting it certified.
2017-08-22T17:57:43 < Steffann> Now i understand why it is so expensive, those st hacking researchers have to be paid by fraunhofer.
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2017-08-22T19:14:43 < BrainDamage> englishman: thanks for the ts100 suggestion, it's pretty nice, if you use the saucy firmware, I've made a different boot logo: https://filebin.ca/3Xm2259mOBR6/dong.png
2017-08-22T19:15:16 < englishman> yes :D
2017-08-22T19:15:18 < englishman> :=======D
2017-08-22T19:15:33 < englishman> nice broken link too! 8================D
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2017-08-22T19:22:46 < Steffanx> Damn, such details. You are a real artist BrainDamage.
2017-08-22T19:24:53 < Steffanx> Not that i really care, but self protrait BrainDamage?
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2017-08-22T19:29:20 < BrainDamage> yes, maintaining the pose the whole time was the hardest part
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2017-08-22T19:30:25 < englishman> wat, link doesnt work at all for me
2017-08-22T19:31:05 < englishman> oh wow it must be blocked in USA
2017-08-22T19:31:13 < englishman> i can access it from VPN
2017-08-22T19:31:13 < englishman> lol
2017-08-22T19:31:16 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/a/g6HhJ i replicated it for you
2017-08-22T19:31:25 < BrainDamage> imgur compresses pics
2017-08-22T19:31:26 < Steffanx> oh, too late.
2017-08-22T19:31:36 < Steffanx> im a bad replicator.
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2017-08-22T19:34:59 < Steffanx> Since when you are USA based englishman?
2017-08-22T19:37:09 < englishman> guise i need lunix help
2017-08-22T19:37:24 < englishman> a comport closes itself for ~reasons~
2017-08-22T19:37:31 < englishman> but thers nothing in dmesg
2017-08-22T19:37:33 < englishman> how2debug
2017-08-22T19:40:33 < PaulFertser> englishman: what exactly do you mean by "closes itself", how does it manifest itself?
2017-08-22T19:40:45 < englishman> the port is no longer accessible and has to be closed/reopened
2017-08-22T19:41:27 < PaulFertser> Are you using your own application?
2017-08-22T19:41:48 < englishman> yes
2017-08-22T19:42:08 < PaulFertser> So no longer accessible, are you trying to write() to it and getting errors?
2017-08-22T19:42:15 < PaulFertser> And nothing appears in dmesg?
2017-08-22T19:42:28 < BrainDamage> does the periferial have a device file from the kernel? and does that disappear?
2017-08-22T19:42:30 < englishman> reading from it, returns 0 bytes (timeout) every time.
2017-08-22T19:42:34 < englishman> and yes, dmesg is empty
2017-08-22T19:42:46 < englishman> it enumerates in dmesg, of course
2017-08-22T19:43:07 < englishman> dont know BrainDamage if it disappears. if it does, it immediately returns.
2017-08-22T19:43:09 < PaulFertser> Are you disabling flow control?
2017-08-22T19:43:27 < englishman> not sure. after the periph reopens, it works fine, however.
2017-08-22T19:43:40 < englishman> pretty sure it is a power issue, but it needs to be handled in software.
2017-08-22T19:44:05 < PaulFertser> What is that peripheral?
2017-08-22T19:44:06 < englishman> but i need a way for linux to tell me that the port has closed, disappeared, whatever
2017-08-22T19:44:10 < englishman> ft4323h
2017-08-22T19:44:12 < englishman> er
2017-08-22T19:44:15 < englishman> 4232h
2017-08-22T19:44:38 < Rickta59> does the RX line drop to 0 voltage when it happens? maybe you could monitor that apart from UART device
2017-08-22T19:44:51 < PaulFertser> If you do not see anything in dmesg at that moment, it means the port didn't disappear.
2017-08-22T19:45:07 < englishman> it does dro pto 0 yes
2017-08-22T19:45:11 < PaulFertser> You should be disabling hardware and software flow control in your port init, please check.
2017-08-22T19:45:27 < englishman> can view this every time on logic analyzer
2017-08-22T19:45:31 < PaulFertser> ftdi's Rx drops to 0 and stays there?
2017-08-22T19:46:05 < englishman> no it comes back high after 35-40 us
2017-08-22T19:46:06 < PaulFertser> And apparently that means that whatever is connected to that pin is driving it low?
2017-08-22T19:46:13 < PaulFertser> So it shouldn't matter then.
2017-08-22T19:46:58 < Rickta59> 35-48 uS .. what speed are you running at?
2017-08-22T19:47:01 < englishman> thing is... the issue only happens on "cold" boot after several minutes rest. the uart device is neo-m8t. on a hot boot, RX does not dip low, software works fine. Or, a software restart (port close/open) on cold boot.
2017-08-22T19:47:13 < englishman> 23400
2017-08-22T19:47:20 < englishman> 230400
2017-08-22T19:47:46 < Rickta59> is the host send a 'break' signal to you?
2017-08-22T19:48:07 < englishman> it certainly looks like 8 bits of 0 tx/rxd, yeah
2017-08-22T19:48:29 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GMm7XnM.png
2017-08-22T19:48:37 < englishman> "hot" boot does not do this
2017-08-22T19:48:51 < Rickta59> do you have a getty running on the port?
2017-08-22T19:49:10 < englishman> actually it does, but GPS TX port dips, not RX
2017-08-22T19:49:14 < englishman> getty?
2017-08-22T19:49:22 < PaulFertser> englishman: have you tried running upstream gpsd on that port?
2017-08-22T19:49:30 < Rickta59> heh .. probably not even called that anymore .. * 1980s term
2017-08-22T19:49:34 < BrainDamage> getty is a terminal
2017-08-22T19:49:55 < PaulFertser> getty is a daemon that allows logins over serial.
2017-08-22T19:49:56 < englishman> i can see proper ublox messages in ucenter / putty / logic analyzer, when connecting to phy
2017-08-22T19:50:16 < englishman> unfortunately i dont even have console on this machine at the moment :(
2017-08-22T19:50:29 < Rickta59> yeah it is connected to that com port :)
2017-08-22T19:50:32 < englishman> i will this afternoon
2017-08-22T19:50:47 < englishman> its just so strange the port is "killed" without anything in dmesg
2017-08-22T19:50:52 < PaulFertser> gpsd is initialising all the parameters properly.
2017-08-22T19:50:58 < PaulFertser> Probably your custom up is not.
2017-08-22T19:51:04 < Getty> It is not my fault
2017-08-22T19:51:06 < PaulFertser> I suggest you try gpsd
2017-08-22T19:51:14 < englishman> the ublox has proper settings stored in its nvram
2017-08-22T19:51:32 < PaulFertser> I means posix serial settings
2017-08-22T19:51:39 < PaulFertser> gpsd does speed autodetection etc
2017-08-22T19:51:48 < PaulFertser> And yes, make sure you do not have serial console enabled on that port.
2017-08-22T19:52:34 < englishman> HW flow control is set to off
2017-08-22T19:52:57 < Rickta59> so what does you software do when it gets a break?
2017-08-22T19:52:58 < PaulFertser> What about IGNBRK?
2017-08-22T19:54:05 < englishman> this is not touched, didnt know this existed, interesting
2017-08-22T19:54:21 < englishman> is this not set by default, i guess not
2017-08-22T19:54:29 < PaulFertser> You can see current settings with stty -a -F /dev/ttyUSB0
2017-08-22T19:55:08 < englishman> ok il run that when i get console
2017-08-22T19:55:41 < PaulFertser> Don't you have ethernet access to that board?
2017-08-22T19:55:49 < PaulFertser> ssh in etc
2017-08-22T19:55:59 < englishman> i have serial console yet but cant get console there due to its hypervisor
2017-08-22T19:56:05 < englishman> *yes
2017-08-22T19:56:15 < englishman> it has a funky web interface. :(
2017-08-22T19:56:30 < englishman> if IGNBRK/BRKINT are low it should just read as /0?
2017-08-22T19:56:37 < englishman> should check them anyway
2017-08-22T19:57:23 < PaulFertser> Yes, you'll just see a 0 byte received. But read() will return 1 in this case I think.
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2017-08-22T20:48:11 < englishman> ok getting console now
2017-08-22T20:49:49 < kakimir> anyone know how fast atx powers usually put 100% output from start signal?
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2017-08-22T20:58:37 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nFICaGZC/
2017-08-22T20:59:11 < englishman> does - mean it is disabled or inabled?
2017-08-22T20:59:14 < englishman> enabled*
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2017-08-22T22:12:06 < aandrew> kakimir: I suspect that would be entirely supply-specific
2017-08-22T22:12:22 < aandrew> there's a PG pin which absolves the power supply from needing to conform to any time period
2017-08-22T22:13:02 < kakimir> yes
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2017-08-22T22:16:29 < kakimir> I think I will use lipo as power source
2017-08-22T22:17:11 < kakimir> because of need of high power short period
2017-08-22T22:18:08 < kakimir> 12.6V brick feeding it and chinese BMS board controlling
2017-08-22T22:18:52 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/JuicEBitz-20AWG-USB-3-1-Type-C-Data-Charger-Cable-for-GoPro-Hero-5-Session-/391689165702 why do these cables have 56k pullup resistors and will this work with phone?
2017-08-22T22:19:46 < kakimir> these as in usb3.1 type C charging cable
2017-08-22T22:22:41 < BrainDamage> it's you ess bee standard for charging mode
2017-08-22T22:23:27 < BrainDamage> the charger itself is supposed to have them tough
2017-08-22T22:24:17 < kakimir> it there any harm to have them in the cable?
2017-08-22T22:24:25 < kakimir> and what if I use it from computer?
2017-08-22T22:25:15 < kakimir> what if I use it from usb2.0 charger?
2017-08-22T22:25:23 < kakimir> 2.1Amp one
2017-08-22T22:26:14 < kakimir> phone has usb3.0 so.. 3.1 cable is any good for me?
2017-08-22T22:26:16 < BrainDamage> usb c has a real standard for power negotiation
2017-08-22T22:26:27 < BrainDamage> but several old devices don't
2017-08-22T22:26:44 < kakimir> honor 8
2017-08-22T22:26:49 < kakimir> that cable
2017-08-22T22:26:57 < kakimir> usb2.0 charger
2017-08-22T22:27:02 < BrainDamage> so you see all sort of weird hacks to signal higher current capbilities
2017-08-22T22:27:09 < BrainDamage> and the resistor was one
2017-08-22T22:27:24 < kakimir> is it working combination?
2017-08-22T22:27:54 < BrainDamage> speak english in full sentences
2017-08-22T22:28:12 < BrainDamage> none of your last 4 sentences made sense
2017-08-22T22:29:07 < kakimir> honor + that cable + usb2.0 2.1amp charger = ?
2017-08-22T22:29:41 < kakimir> *8
2017-08-22T22:30:53 < BrainDamage> good luck, maybe oh7 or steven will be able to understand you
2017-08-22T22:32:37 < kakimir> whatever.. time to order
2017-08-22T22:32:44 < kakimir> will see how it works
2017-08-22T22:34:31 < englishman> this ft4232h issue is super annoying
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2017-08-22T22:47:23 < englishman> hmm i think i got it tho
2017-08-22T22:47:26 < englishman> osc capacitors
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2017-08-22T22:49:00 < kakimir> what is with them?
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2017-08-22T22:55:43 < englishman> switched from cheap chinatrash to legit digikey ones, now they are too high
2017-08-22T22:56:37 < jadew`> should work with really high tollerances
2017-08-22T22:57:13 < englishman> well it works 100% when i take them off
2017-08-22T22:57:45 < jadew`> what value are the ones you added? can you measure?
2017-08-22T22:59:02 < jadew`> my handheld meter doesn't do pF, that's why I'm asking
2017-08-22T23:00:04 < karlp> wow, bought a new monitor with speakers
2017-08-22T23:00:09 < karlp> doesn't have any volume control
2017-08-22T23:00:14 < karlp> fine for the pc I guess.
2017-08-22T23:00:19 < karlp> prettty shit for the ps4 :)
2017-08-22T23:02:19 < jadew`> karlp, at least I hope the speakers are not taking up any horizontal space
2017-08-22T23:03:15 < englishman> 12pF is what i put on this oscillator:
2017-08-22T23:03:15  * englishman https://www.digikey.ca/products/en/crystals-oscillators-resonators/crystals/171?k=ABM10-166-12.000MHZ-T3&k=&pkeyword=ABM10-166-12.000MHZ-T3&pv7=2&mnonly=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500
2017-08-22T23:03:32 < jadew`> sounds normal
2017-08-22T23:03:36 < englishman> but if i use 5pf "stray capacitance" then load caps drop to 6pf
2017-08-22T23:03:47 < englishman> pretty sure ftdi is super finicky
2017-08-22T23:03:53 < englishman> doubly so with lunix
2017-08-22T23:04:07 < englishman> if i bust off the caps, i cannot reproduce the issue
2017-08-22T23:04:25 < englishman> and, those caps changed recently, i bought a reel from digikey, stopped using chinese ones on cut tape
2017-08-22T23:05:31 < jadew`> why would the measured capacitance drop from stray capacitance? or did I read that wrong?
2017-08-22T23:05:41 < jadew`> you have a broken trace?
2017-08-22T23:06:17 < qyx> broken leg maybe?
2017-08-22T23:06:22 < qyx> *pin
2017-08-22T23:06:28 < jadew`> or poorly soldered
2017-08-22T23:07:39 < englishman> well measured capacitance, i doubt i have anything precise enough to measure that anyway
2017-08-22T23:07:53 < englishman> but i mean, chinese caps = shittier spec = lower capacitance = working
2017-08-22T23:08:04 < englishman> newer np0 caps from digikey = in spec = too high cap = not working
2017-08-22T23:08:18 < englishman> qyx, affected 80% of boards, visually ok
2017-08-22T23:09:08 < qyx> doesn't have np0 tolerances like 1%?
2017-08-22T23:10:03 < englishman> yes
2017-08-22T23:10:19 < englishman> well no
2017-08-22T23:10:24 < englishman> but on temp curve its very good
2017-08-22T23:10:32 < englishman> better than x7r etc.
2017-08-22T23:13:06 < englishman> or maybe i just placed the wrong fuckin caps
2017-08-22T23:13:07 < englishman> i dono
2017-08-22T23:13:08 < englishman> lol
2017-08-22T23:13:15 < englishman> no lcr meter here
2017-08-22T23:29:34 < kakimir> 2mm crystal sounds like something to solder
2017-08-22T23:32:19 < kakimir> I know we have had this conversation already!
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2017-08-22T23:39:03 < jadew`> englishman, I suppose you already know about the DE-5000
2017-08-22T23:39:23 < jadew`> it's a decent LCR meter
2017-08-22T23:39:31 < englishman> yeha, have one
2017-08-22T23:39:34 < englishman> good stuff
2017-08-22T23:39:54 < jadew`> ah, so you don't have one at the current location, got it
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2017-08-22T23:48:36 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/3v87R
2017-08-22T23:48:42 < aandrew> it's working
2017-08-22T23:48:55 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/ExbYtcWD and the shitty arduionoscript doing it
2017-08-22T23:53:11 < Steffanx> :P
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2017-08-22T23:53:24 < Laurenceb_> W E W
2017-08-22T23:53:38 < Laurenceb_> now we chuck all RS485 out of the window and use usb
2017-08-22T23:53:40 < Laurenceb_> 4 realz
2017-08-22T23:53:49 < aandrew> lol
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2017-08-22T23:55:23 < BrainDamage> well, considering you're somehow forced to use hubs, it sort of makes sense
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2017-08-23T00:04:31 < karlp> jadew`: why would it matter if the speakers wewre on the side? (they're not anyway)
2017-08-23T00:04:53 < karlp> tthis is just a single monitor setup, I'd care about bezel thickness first if I was looking att multimonitor stuff
2017-08-23T00:04:56 < jadew`> karlp, it makes it too wide
2017-08-23T00:06:09 < ohsix> sup
2017-08-23T00:18:27 < karlp> wat?
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2017-08-23T00:33:10 < qyx> anyone used that paho mqtt library?
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2017-08-23T00:33:38 < zyp> no, but I used hbmqtt recently
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2017-08-23T00:34:06 < qyx> much optimistic programming it looks
2017-08-23T00:34:22 < qyx> hardly any error checking
2017-08-23T00:34:31 < zyp> paho?
2017-08-23T00:34:42 < qyx> yeah, the mplain c version
2017-08-23T00:34:52 < zyp> I thought paho were python
2017-08-23T00:34:57 < qyx> is that hbmqtt c++?
2017-08-23T00:35:04 < zyp> no, also python
2017-08-23T00:35:52 < qyx> they also have a freertos port with tasks and such things
2017-08-23T00:35:55 < zyp> hmm, looks like paho is not one client lib, but a collection of lib in various languages
2017-08-23T00:35:55 < qyx> and callbacks
2017-08-23T00:36:23 < qyx> but somehow callbacks dont't allow you to specify a context
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2017-08-23T00:36:34 < zyp> ew
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2017-08-23T00:36:40 < qyx> o much useless
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2017-08-23T00:37:41 < qyx> you can probably blink a led in the callback at mmost.. or log something
2017-08-23T00:38:11 < zyp> I find mqtt kinda annoying
2017-08-23T00:38:15 < qyx> not even that as I cannot pass a reference of the gpio to the callback
2017-08-23T00:38:40 < qyx> me too
2017-08-23T00:38:49 < qyx> conceptually it sounds good
2017-08-23T00:38:59 < qyx> but protocol wise not
2017-08-23T00:39:00 < zyp> I like the retained topic stuff, can do pretty neat stuff with that
2017-08-23T00:39:13 < zyp> but compared to AMQP, the protocol is a dick to work with
2017-08-23T00:39:59 < qyx> I should dig deeper into those iot-hype-enabled technologies
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2017-08-23T00:41:09 < zyp> AMQP is more complex and has a couple more layers than MQTT, but trying to build something more complex I really miss that
2017-08-23T00:41:11 < Laurenceb_> hmm maybe I could sell my vibration monitoring shit to space ppl
2017-08-23T00:43:17 < zyp> in AMQP I can open a new channel on an existing connection and subscribe to some stuff, and when I don't need it anymore I just delete the channel and everything gets cleaned up, independently of the other channels on that connection
2017-08-23T00:44:14 < zyp> in MQTT, the closest I can get is opening a new connection
2017-08-23T00:44:31 < zyp> but having like 20 connections open from the same app seems dumb as fuck
2017-08-23T00:47:14 < qyx> subscribin more topics is noit feasible?
2017-08-23T00:47:36 < qyx> or you like the cleaning part of it?
2017-08-23T00:47:46 < zyp> the cleaning part is one thing
2017-08-23T00:47:53 < zyp> and then there's the dispatching part
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2017-08-23T00:48:10 < zyp> imagine I subscribe to multiple wildcard topics
2017-08-23T00:48:39 < zyp> the received packets doesn't tell me which subscription I matched, only the topic
2017-08-23T00:48:50 < qyx> ah
2017-08-23T00:49:06 < zyp> so the dispatcher would have to look at the topic and do its own matching
2017-08-23T00:49:15 < zyp> which is also annoying
2017-08-23T00:49:56 < qyx> so if mulltiple tasks subscribe to the same topic, there have to be a dispatcher to match it
2017-08-23T00:49:59 < zyp> in AMQP you declare a queue and subscribe stuff to that queue, and when you receive stuff it tells you which queue
2017-08-23T00:50:04 < zyp> yes
2017-08-23T00:50:12 < qyx> sounds reasonable
2017-08-23T00:50:13 < zyp> doesn't even have to be same
2017-08-23T00:50:47 < zyp> the only thing that makes MQTT interesting is the retain functionality
2017-08-23T00:50:55 < zyp> i.e. broker stores state
2017-08-23T00:51:09 < zyp> so newly connected client receives the stored state immediately
2017-08-23T00:53:13 < qyx> in each case, there is a need to integrate mqtt on a given iotmplatform because it is widely used
2017-08-23T00:53:40 < qyx> so I have to investigate the paho closer :s
2017-08-23T00:54:35 < zyp> well, rabbitmq has a mqtt plugin, so I could always hook mqtt shit into an amqp system
2017-08-23T00:54:41 < zyp> but amqp doesn't do retain
2017-08-23T00:55:07 < zyp> anyway, bedtime
2017-08-23T00:55:49 < qyx> gn
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2017-08-23T01:18:06 < englishman> wow this issue is not going anywhere
2017-08-23T01:18:15 < englishman> now looking at cypress usbhub for culprit
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2017-08-23T01:31:04 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/PumZhqH
2017-08-23T01:34:16 < ohsix> what are you doing englishman
2017-08-23T01:34:35 < ohsix> .
2017-08-23T01:35:00 < ohsix> i solicited the internets for mqtt/amqp info a few hours ago and it happens to come up in here huhu
2017-08-23T01:36:55 < ohsix> zyp: does amqp help with source enrollment/trust junk, like client certs or anything
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2017-08-23T01:47:28 < englishman> usbhub or ftdi issues about 50-60s after "cold boot"
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2017-08-23T02:06:55 < englishman> a device on the usb hub is disconnceting, still unknown reason, but its affecting other periphs on the hub
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2017-08-23T02:40:46 < Thorn> my impression is that usb is fkn unreliable in general
2017-08-23T02:41:04 < Thorn> I'm even having usb problems with my mac mini
2017-08-23T02:41:35 < Thorn> have to re-plug devices into a different socket (it has 4) so that it can see them
2017-08-23T02:46:38 < kakimir> yes
2017-08-23T02:46:53 < kakimir> usb described right there
2017-08-23T02:56:21 < englishman> i think the problem is with a completely unrelated electromechanical device injecting noise somewhere about 1min after startup
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2017-08-23T02:59:37 < Laurenceb_> <Thorn> my impression is that usb is fkn unreliable in general
2017-08-23T02:59:44 < Laurenceb_> Idontliek dis
2017-08-23T02:59:58 < jsoft> I am pondering experimenting with something like freertos to run on L0/M0. Can someone comment on their experiences using an RTOS? I've never used one before and am not sure on the line where it's simpler to use straight CMSIS
2017-08-23T03:01:28 < Thorn> you will use cmsis anyway
2017-08-23T03:01:58 < Laurenceb_> use chibios
2017-08-23T03:02:31 < Thorn> freertos gives you multiple tasks and queues/semaphores/etc. to communicate between them
2017-08-23T03:03:47 < jsoft> Hmm.
2017-08-23T03:04:28 < Thorn> and in general makes your firmware far more difficult to debug and understand
2017-08-23T03:05:01 < Laurenceb_> lul dtic
2017-08-23T03:05:36 < Laurenceb_>  For whatever reason, a significant number of deployed female naval personnel are becoming pregnant
2017-08-23T03:05:46 < Thorn> my impression is beginners assume that using rtos means "it will be like lunix/whatever!" while pros in general don't like them
2017-08-23T03:06:13 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-08-23T03:06:40 < Laurenceb_> I've found that for large, poorly managed projects RTOS is essential
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2017-08-23T03:10:28 < Thorn> maybe but a large project won't fit into an f0 anyway
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2017-08-23T03:22:30 < dongs> use keil rtx
2017-08-23T03:22:38 < dongs> its free and uses cmsis-rtos api
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2017-08-23T04:13:13 < englishman> hmm its looking like this is a case of "not my hardware"
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2017-08-23T04:55:52 < englishman> still when this device disconnects, it takes other shit on the hub with it
2017-08-23T04:55:58 < englishman> without anything showing in dmesg
2017-08-23T04:56:04 < dongs> > dmesg
2017-08-23T04:56:07 < dongs> spotted the problem
2017-08-23T04:56:20 < dongs> win98se has better USB stack than lunix
2017-08-23T04:56:21 < englishman> does windows run on edison
2017-08-23T04:56:26 < englishman> BUT
2017-08-23T04:56:31 < englishman> error doesnt happen on lunix desktop
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2017-08-23T06:47:20 < englishman> hi curt
2017-08-23T06:47:36 < englishman> nm
2017-08-23T06:47:58 < englishman> no innovation today
2017-08-23T06:48:01 < englishman> just lunix
2017-08-23T06:48:02 < englishman> all
2017-08-23T06:48:02 < englishman> day
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2017-08-23T06:52:58 < englishman> san francisco is a dirty smelly town
2017-08-23T06:55:36 < englishman> so
2017-08-23T06:55:47 < englishman> i am supposed to feed them 3/4 cup of food per day each
2017-08-23T06:55:51 < englishman> but i suck at math
2017-08-23T06:56:01 < englishman> so i was feeding two cats 2 1/2 cups of food per day
2017-08-23T06:56:07 < englishman> enough for two 22lb cats
2017-08-23T06:56:11 < englishman> and they are 11lb
2017-08-23T06:56:18 < englishman> and they were still begging for food
2017-08-23T06:56:21 < englishman> those fat fuzzy fuckers
2017-08-23T06:56:27 < englishman> they are on a DIET NOW
2017-08-23T06:56:54 < englishman> and very upset at wifeishman
2017-08-23T06:57:08 < englishman> who has been feeding them their now-adjusted doses
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2017-08-23T07:13:48 < Rob235> w00t just got back from south carolina
2017-08-23T07:13:55 < Rob235> 14 hour drive to watch the eclipse
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2017-08-23T07:58:11 < ohsix> englishman: oof tough problem
2017-08-23T07:58:42 < ohsix> hubs do weird shit, and some drivers are poorly written; on windows they have a driver verifier to test stuff with hubs, but you can do it with wireshark too
2017-08-23T08:01:35 < ohsix> are you really in sf? hehe, i was promised human excrement and i felt cheated when i didn't see any
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2017-08-23T08:03:04 < englishman> everywhere
2017-08-23T08:03:14 < englishman> utter filth
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2017-08-23T08:09:33 < ohsix> how far are you from the mission
2017-08-23T08:09:41 < englishman> zero
2017-08-23T08:10:00 < englishman> twitter is in pissing distance
2017-08-23T08:10:10 < englishman> and they receive a lot of it
2017-08-23T08:10:25 < englishman> along with every sidewalk tile for miles around
2017-08-23T08:16:51 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/pCSqV
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2017-08-23T08:26:15 < ohsix> englishman: adam savage's workshop is near the police station
2017-08-23T08:26:42 < ohsix> if you fancy a puzzle / huntabout
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2017-08-23T08:37:47 < ohsix> hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww found the machine i was using when i was learning openocd shit
2017-08-23T08:38:05 < ohsix> it was an install on an 8gb thumb drive that i was using when hd was kaputt
2017-08-23T08:39:29 < ohsix> was so tight on space that i compressed all the arm doc/toolchain/everything and mounted it with fusecompress
2017-08-23T08:40:09 < ohsix> the notes i was looking for are on here too, shit
2017-08-23T08:46:07 < ohsix> m8 you should put some stuff on youtube
2017-08-23T08:46:27 < ohsix> i dont' think there's anyone that does that sort of stuff, its' niche but you get long tail views
2017-08-23T08:46:31 < ohsix> i'd watch that shit
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2017-08-23T08:46:58 < ohsix> no revenue in that
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2017-08-23T08:48:40 < ohsix> how much do you think it would cost to produce 3 different repair/diagnosis videos for what you do
2017-08-23T08:50:54 < ohsix> don't even have a point & shoot?
2017-08-23T08:51:35 < ohsix> er, well, shit; just for my own enjoyment i'd like to see it, if you can figure out how much it might cost to start doing it let me know
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2017-08-23T08:52:05 < ohsix> gotta jet
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2017-08-23T09:12:15 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DZ399-St-link-v2-stm8-stm32-artificial-device-programmer-stlink-1pcs-/271513272420?hash=item3f3773c064:g:xnkAAMXQpPhTjum7
2017-08-23T09:12:18 < dongs> asre these legit
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2017-08-23T09:44:58 < devanagram> dongs: definitely not legitimately made by or licensed by ST, but the core schematic and firmware matches the official STLink/v2, just with fewer pins exposed.
2017-08-23T09:45:51 < devanagram> You can pretty easily flash some non-pirated firmware onto them and use them as blackmagic or CMSIS-DAP probes.
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2017-08-23T09:52:24 < dongs> i can't connect to https internet in IE6
2017-08-23T09:52:26 < dongs> can someone help
2017-08-23T09:52:31 < dongs> do i need some new certificates
2017-08-23T09:56:01 < dongs> fixed it
2017-08-23T09:56:47 < dongs> finally wasted time to install mimikatz so i can move these retarded non-exportable client side bank certificates into a VM
2017-08-23T09:57:00 < dongs> i don't think tehse people know how to actually security
2017-08-23T09:57:48 < dongs> the fact that I can still login to them with IE6
2017-08-23T09:58:30 < dongs> ya, blasting
2017-08-23T09:58:58 < dongs> i just got a board with more tact switches than that
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2017-08-23T10:00:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ZvlJYo1.jpg not tact, membrane, but not the point
2017-08-23T10:00:35 < dongs> this is some filthy chinatarsh
2017-08-23T10:00:38 < dongs> single layer board
2017-08-23T10:01:07 < dongs> haha
2017-08-23T10:01:11 < dongs> JUST TO SAVE $0.01 right
2017-08-23T10:09:15 < dongs> add an extra sprinkle of jizz on them
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2017-08-23T10:31:08 < dongs> oh?
2017-08-23T10:31:12 < dongs> i missed autism earlier
2017-08-23T10:31:15 < dongs> summarize for me
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2017-08-23T10:36:40 < dongs> what is it
2017-08-23T10:36:56 < dongs> isnt that how patents usually work
2017-08-23T10:37:00 < dongs> patent shit then rape someone who makes it
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2017-08-23T11:28:48 < Steffanx> Where is beaky? Is he still alive?
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2017-08-23T12:28:22 < Lux> \query englishman
2017-08-23T12:30:19 < dongs> ^ busted
2017-08-23T12:33:18 < Lux> heh
2017-08-23T12:33:30 < Lux> happens :/
2017-08-23T12:34:01 < Lux> still sleepy i guess
2017-08-23T12:40:43 < Steffanx> Lol
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2017-08-23T12:41:45 < Steffanx> Dont conduct illegal business with him mr Lux
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2017-08-23T12:51:03 < dongs> any business that goes into /query is surely not legal
2017-08-23T12:51:23 < Lux> or just not meant for the public ;)
2017-08-23T12:51:24 < zyp> \query dongs so about that stuff...
2017-08-23T12:51:45 < Lux> just going on a trip to canada :)
2017-08-23T12:51:46 < dongs> that STUFF you shouild probly pay me for :)
2017-08-23T12:51:58 < Lux> nothing business related
2017-08-23T12:52:11 < dongs> i was in canada once
2017-08-23T12:52:15 < dongs> 1/10 would not ercommend
2017-08-23T12:52:26 < Lux> i like it there
2017-08-23T12:52:33 < Lux> but i'm also going to trumpland
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2017-08-23T12:54:35 < Lux> dongs: what do you think is so bad about canada ? or was it in winter
2017-08-23T12:55:24 < dongs> nah was there a few times for transit/overnight and for some events
2017-08-23T12:55:29 < dongs> just seemed like a shittier version of USA
2017-08-23T12:55:33 < dongs> and USA is already prety bad
2017-08-23T12:57:21 < Lux> yeah some areas in the USA are pretty bad
2017-08-23T12:58:06 < Lux> i've only seen quebec in canada up to now, which is pretty european like imo
2017-08-23T12:58:18 < dongs> thats full of french fags
2017-08-23T12:58:19 < dongs> like englishman
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2017-08-23T13:33:41 < stvn> cracker
2017-08-23T13:33:53 < stvn> u gunna post linkz\
2017-08-23T13:34:18 < stvn> also where is PeterM
2017-08-23T13:36:18 < karlp> dongs: this new screen I got has some iwndows software you can install to change all sorts of settings via some app instead of the on screen display.  How does that work?  is via edid sort of commands?
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2017-08-23T13:36:32 < karlp> are they available on all of vga/dvi/hdmi/displayport?
2017-08-23T13:41:25 < karlp> englishman: if you've got a bad device on a (cheap) hub, if the bad device tries pulling too much power, you can get hub resets.
2017-08-23T13:43:03 < stvn> hmm
2017-08-23T13:46:29 < dongs> karlp: dispalyport?
2017-08-23T13:46:29 < zyp> karlp, how do you have it hooked up?
2017-08-23T13:46:32 < upgrdman> anyone know if arm-none-eabi-gdb support reverse debugging?  this  https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/news/reversible.html
2017-08-23T13:46:42 < dongs> there's sideband on both hdmi and dp, that acn change stuff
2017-08-23T13:47:10 < zyp> upgrdman, even if your gdb does, your gdbserver might not
2017-08-23T13:47:12 < karlp> I have it on dvi, and aren't running windows anyway, I was just curious how it worked.
2017-08-23T13:47:18 < karlp> zyp: that hbmqtt looks gross.
2017-08-23T13:47:31 < zyp> karlp, in what sense?
2017-08-23T13:47:44 < karlp> exposes far more of mqtt protocol details than make any sense too
2017-08-23T13:48:27 < karlp> I don't really understand your objections earlier either, about subscribing and wanting 20 connections at once for some reason, but whatever, I'll leave you to it :)
2017-08-23T13:48:56 < karlp> amqp queues are a very different idea than mqtt topics though, and people always end up in pain when they think they can just treat them as teh same thing
2017-08-23T13:49:09 < zyp> yes
2017-08-23T13:49:38 < karlp> man, that coroutine based style is just .... odd.
2017-08-23T13:49:47 < zyp> mqtt topics are like an amqp topic exchange
2017-08-23T13:49:50 < karlp> I'm sure if you're ina  coroutine world, hbmqtt is glorious.
2017-08-23T13:50:11 < zyp> what are you looking at, by the way?
2017-08-23T13:50:27 < karlp> their docs
2017-08-23T13:50:31 < zyp> url?
2017-08-23T13:50:47 < karlp> you're not actually expected to call pings yourself with hbmqtt are you?!
2017-08-23T13:50:56 < karlp> http://hbmqtt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/references/mqttclient.html for instance, but I started at the top of their docs.
2017-08-23T13:51:48 < zyp> that coroutine stuff is old style syntax
2017-08-23T13:51:54 < karlp> default keepalive of 10seconds is pretty hammertime
2017-08-23T13:52:06 < zyp> python 3.5 introduced a more readable syntax for async functions
2017-08-23T13:52:07 < karlp> v.rarely see anyone trying that short in practice
2017-08-23T13:52:25 < karlp> uses non-standard leading / in topics
2017-08-23T13:53:18  * karlp shrugs 
2017-08-23T13:53:31 < karlp> the embeddedable broker is probably convenient for some use cases I guess.
2017-08-23T13:55:01 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/qYCxX <- I have some shit looking like this now
2017-08-23T13:55:45 < zyp> using new async/await syntax
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2017-08-23T13:59:54 < dongs> python code always looks shit
2017-08-23T14:02:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1aQThM5Ilo&t=329 found gook version of loius rossman
2017-08-23T14:02:32 < zyp> karlp, my argument against mqtt was about keeping track of multiple subscriptions
2017-08-23T14:02:41 < stvn> https://youtu.be/epVszvbCu4I?t=15s lol
2017-08-23T14:03:44 < dongs> cool jewish capacitor, crt
2017-08-23T14:03:56 < stvn> coolz
2017-08-23T14:04:12 < stvn> i wonder if these niggers have my litz wire
2017-08-23T14:06:17 < zyp> karlp, say I make some gui dashboard thing, each widget is a class that subscribes to one or more topics
2017-08-23T14:06:50 < zyp> then I need to manually keep track of which instances are subscribed to what
2017-08-23T14:07:15 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG7KwKr98CQ
2017-08-23T14:07:46 < dongs> nice fan
2017-08-23T14:07:53 < zyp> and dispatch to relevant instances
2017-08-23T14:07:58 < stvn> ty
2017-08-23T14:08:33 < zyp> in amqp, each instance would create its own queue and wait on that
2017-08-23T14:09:04 < stvn> his tek scope is fucking pro
2017-08-23T14:09:09 < stvn> 3.5" disk drive mate
2017-08-23T14:10:06 < zyp> karlp, to put it another way, in mqtt, one connection is a single queue
2017-08-23T14:16:23 < karlp> I'm not sure I agree with that, but ok :)
2017-08-23T14:19:09 < zyp> karlp, I might be mistaken, I'm not _that_ familiar with mqtt yet
2017-08-23T14:19:25 < dongs> A lightweight messaging protocol for small sensors and mobile devices, optimized for high-latency or unreliable networks, enabling a Smarter Planet and the.
2017-08-23T14:19:28 < dongs> "and the."
2017-08-23T14:19:56 < zyp> dongs, you have a browser plugin that strips out IoT?
2017-08-23T14:20:14 < dongs> snort, is that waht it saysa?
2017-08-23T14:20:18 < dongs> no its just front page of google
2017-08-23T14:20:27 < zyp> idk, I'm just guessing
2017-08-23T14:20:34 < stvn> ty
2017-08-23T14:21:37 < zyp> haha
2017-08-23T14:21:38 < zyp> <meta name="description"  content="A lightweight messaging protocol for small sensors and mobile devices, optimized for high-latency or unreliable networks, enabling a Smarter Planet and the" />
2017-08-23T14:24:19 < dongs> fucking cunts
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2017-08-23T14:30:25 < stvn> yeah
2017-08-23T14:30:30 < stvn> i just need a book!
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2017-08-23T14:58:09 < stvn> the decker
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2017-08-23T15:09:55 < stvn> where is steffan
2017-08-23T15:10:05 < stvn> i want to blow his eardrums out
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2017-08-23T15:29:49 < kakimir> fun
2017-08-23T15:30:28 < kakimir> when oled display cracks while you push playing cards under the heated glass
2017-08-23T15:32:09 < stvn> 555
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2017-08-23T16:00:22 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/FuUiq55n
2017-08-23T16:09:08 < kakimir> "working themselfs to death"
2017-08-23T16:10:42 < englishman> dongs: who you callin french
2017-08-23T16:10:55 < englishman> karlp: its a cypress hub, and we arent using any power protection on these devices
2017-08-23T16:11:12 < englishman> its a hub placed on a custom pcb
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2017-08-23T16:21:20 < Laurenceb_> englishman: ur making custom usb host stuff?
2017-08-23T16:22:17 < kakimir> englishman: if you were finnish you would be in hurry to get sauna built at this point
2017-08-23T16:22:41 < englishman> hot tub getting fixed this weekend or i seppuku
2017-08-23T16:22:54 < englishman> and we took sauna last week
2017-08-23T16:22:57 < englishman> was nice
2017-08-23T16:23:13 < kakimir> tell me about it
2017-08-23T16:23:23 < kakimir> so I can tell if you did it wrong or right
2017-08-23T16:24:37 < englishman> 10min in sauna followed by 10s in 12C water
2017-08-23T16:24:41 < englishman> repeat
2017-08-23T16:24:46 < kakimir> was temperature gauge above 60celsius in sauna?
2017-08-23T16:25:07 < englishman> of course
2017-08-23T16:25:14 < zyp> sounds like my .fi vacation
2017-08-23T16:25:36 < zyp> kakimir, haha, you're setting the bar low
2017-08-23T16:26:05 < kakimir> yes
2017-08-23T16:26:51 < kakimir> englishman: did you feel burning at any moment?
2017-08-23T16:27:05 < englishman> only when paying
2017-08-23T16:27:12 < zyp> :)
2017-08-23T16:27:24 < kakimir> englishman: you didn't feel little burning in sauna?
2017-08-23T16:27:28 < BrainDamage> I've been in an ir sauna, it was super nice, it felt like the bones were warming up
2017-08-23T16:30:00 < sync_> http://www.students.tut.fi/~kiiskils/stsk/turbo/fkuvat/kiuas/hehku2.jpg the only proper finish sauna stove
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2017-08-23T16:30:24 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-08-23T16:30:35 < Laurenceb_> is that a coal heated turbine system?
2017-08-23T16:30:55 < kakimir> englishman: it's hard to get heat to feet if you don't burn a bit on shoulders, back and head
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2017-08-23T16:31:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: fuel oil
2017-08-23T16:31:20 < kakimir> or propaine
2017-08-23T16:31:38 < englishman> 🔥🔥😬🔥🔥
2017-08-23T16:31:44 < zyp> sync_, haha, nice
2017-08-23T16:31:48 < BrainDamage> the tubine is still quite something
2017-08-23T16:32:38 < sync_> http://www.students.tut.fi/~kiiskils/stsk/turbo/fkuvat/kiuas/hehku1.jpg
2017-08-23T16:32:39 < BrainDamage> maybe sauna pulsejet engine? so you can have your roaring sound to pass the time
2017-08-23T16:33:05 < sync_> nah
2017-08-23T16:33:18 < sync_> no pulsejet, just a regular turbojet
2017-08-23T16:33:36 < BrainDamage> no, i mean as alternative
2017-08-23T16:33:44 < sync_> ah yeah
2017-08-23T16:34:05 < kakimir> serious business
2017-08-23T16:34:19 < sync_> not sure how a pulsejet would handle the dtemperature transients when you make löyly
2017-08-23T16:34:58 < englishman> don't know until you try
2017-08-23T16:35:44 < kakimir> it will shatter
2017-08-23T16:35:57 < kakimir> for sure
2017-08-23T16:36:36 < zyp> now I wonder how well a coal heated turbine system would work
2017-08-23T16:36:45 < kakimir> it could
2017-08-23T16:36:59 < kakimir> heat problems may occur
2017-08-23T16:37:03 < zyp> yeah, until you have to add more coal and lose the pressure in the burn chamber
2017-08-23T16:37:05 < sync_> I guess once you get the coal hot enough it would work
2017-08-23T16:37:21 < sync_> or you just inject coal dust like in the powerplants
2017-08-23T16:37:27 < sync_> but that would be incredibly messy
2017-08-23T16:37:59 < zyp> I still have an old car turbo in a box somewhere, I should build some shit with it some time
2017-08-23T16:38:25 < sync_> yes
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2017-08-23T16:40:40 < BrainDamage> one retarded idea i had with a turbo was to cut one in half and fit a pair of high powered brushless servos with MPPT tracking and see if i could get a wide(r) operating pickup regime for the exaust gen
2017-08-23T16:41:09 < zyp> haha
2017-08-23T16:41:12 < BrainDamage> having the motors act as an electric automatic torque converter
2017-08-23T16:41:18 < sync_> well no shit
2017-08-23T16:41:25 < sync_> but the shaft speed is a hueg issue
2017-08-23T16:43:16 < kakimir> turbos have pretty high power compared to size
2017-08-23T16:43:24 < kakimir> actually massive
2017-08-23T16:47:00 < sync_> the only "easy" way I found to improve lag is to add externally combusting ALS
2017-08-23T16:48:19 < kakimir> ALS?
2017-08-23T16:49:03 < sync_> anti lag system
2017-08-23T16:49:04 < kakimir> what if you have pressure vessel and just inject gulps of air when power is required at side of turbo doing it's thing
2017-08-23T16:49:52 < BrainDamage> compressed air has shit energy density
2017-08-23T16:50:06 < kakimir> true
2017-08-23T16:50:14 < BrainDamage> you might as well use a compressed combustible gas and burn it
2017-08-23T16:50:31 < sync_> or you just use the fuel that powers your ICE
2017-08-23T16:50:36 < kakimir> but when you don't have enought oxy?
2017-08-23T16:50:46 < sync_> and add a flame holder in a secondary exhaust path as a gas generator
2017-08-23T16:50:53 < sync_> and use that to keep the turbine spinning
2017-08-23T16:51:27 < BrainDamage> kakimir: then you add an air port
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2017-08-23T16:56:58 < kakimir> I don't really know what the discussion is about
2017-08-23T16:58:46 < Laurenceb_> ur mum
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2017-08-23T17:13:39 < Steffanx> Sexy
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2017-08-23T17:22:36 < Laurenceb_> "This example uses the ST HAL library, which may be more "help" than you want"
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2017-08-23T17:22:52 < Laurenceb_> truth
2017-08-23T17:23:31 < kakimir> just code your own headers - said my guru
2017-08-23T17:25:54 < Steffanx> Headers? Just use bare pointers/addresses
2017-08-23T17:28:00 < kakimir> yes
2017-08-23T17:28:10 < kakimir> do not define them
2017-08-23T17:28:13 < kakimir> just insert in code
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2017-08-23T17:32:43 < Laurenceb_> heh I had to work with some guys who coded like that
2017-08-23T17:32:58 < kakimir> did you make them pay for it?
2017-08-23T17:33:00 < Laurenceb_> c with loads of random hex
2017-08-23T17:33:15 < Laurenceb_> I just sat and raged
2017-08-23T17:33:20 < kakimir> where standards for coders where that low?
2017-08-23T17:33:32 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-08-23T17:33:40 < kakimir> uni project?
2017-08-23T17:33:45 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb has been deported to pakistan
2017-08-23T17:33:56 < BrainDamage> after all the internet offences
2017-08-23T17:35:02 < kakimir> *where are standards
2017-08-23T17:41:19 < englishman> i program with a microscope and FIB
2017-08-23T17:41:20 < englishman> noobs
2017-08-23T17:44:40 < Laurenceb_> deportation probably happening soon
2017-08-23T17:45:05 < englishman> join isis and deport yourself
2017-08-23T17:45:21 < englishman> get a mosin-nagant and some toilet paper body armour and go kill kurds
2017-08-23T17:49:23 < englishman> Laurenceb_: so this board has a lunix computer on it but theres only one usb port. cypress hub was added to use more devices and ft4232h
2017-08-23T17:49:41 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-08-23T17:50:02  * Laurenceb_ is trying to work out how to make stm32 usb audio sources
2017-08-23T17:50:04 < englishman> one of the devices is an imager using USB2-HS and we found about 25% of these devices reboot after 60s plugged in (to this computer my computer, any computer)
2017-08-23T17:50:17 < englishman> when it disconnects and re-enumerates, the ft4232h is affected
2017-08-23T17:50:29 < englishman> but we don't know exactly how, only that the comport needs to be closed and reopened
2017-08-23T17:50:38 < englishman> there is nothing related to ft4232h that appears in dmesg
2017-08-23T17:50:55 < englishman> or related to the usb hub, except to show the imager disconnect and reconnect
2017-08-23T17:51:34 < englishman> also, sometimes the imager will disconnect / reconnect after 60s, but the ft4232h is not affected, the program continues to run
2017-08-23T17:51:56 < englishman> physically unplugging and replugging the camera reproduces the problem, on reconnection
2017-08-23T17:53:02 < englishman> again nothing in dmesg related to ft4232h or hub
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2017-08-23T18:44:54 < Laurenceb_> I bet when everything comes out we see that Peter Madsen is some sort of colossal degenerated pervert. Probably a furry with a diaper fetish as well.
2017-08-23T18:45:12 < Laurenceb_> also Peter MADsen
2017-08-23T18:46:26 < karlp> englishman: you've got a board with a hub chip, and some hardwired downstream usb device, and one of them "does somethign" and the hub is resetting?
2017-08-23T18:46:52 < karlp> and yeah, cheap hubs don't use power protection either, that's why they sometimes just reset themselves when something _does_ blow power specs (however briefly)
2017-08-23T18:47:17 < englishman> thing is the 3v3 powering the usb hub is completely separate from the 5v powering external devices
2017-08-23T18:47:46 < englishman> and, the hub may or not be resetting
2017-08-23T18:47:58 < Laurenceb_> the rocket of rape http://imgur.com/1U3881U
2017-08-23T18:48:00 < englishman> because there's no information in dmesg to tell us the hub or any other devices are disconneted
2017-08-23T18:48:30 < englishman> only the one device physically removed and reconnected (the imager) has any mention in dmesg
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2017-08-23T18:49:25 < englishman> the program is also running in docker so we are looking at that now
2017-08-23T18:49:28 < englishman> but basically: lunixxx
2017-08-23T18:50:35 < karlp> no idea why the imager is resetting itself either?
2017-08-23T18:51:07 < Laurenceb_> https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nboM5cor9NQ/WZ0-qPeLGrI/AAAAAAAATUY/wQJ37QkMSXM4NAWUneK8HrOoY82Ka23XgCLcBGAs/s640/BQkFMvd.png
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2017-08-23T18:51:40 < englishman> karlp: well, at this point it's moot, those defective units are going back to the manufacturer. the bug is now, camera reconnecting affects ft4232h
2017-08-23T18:52:05 < karlp> hub port A -> camera, hub port B - > ft4232?
2017-08-23T18:52:18 < englishman> something like that yeah.
2017-08-23T18:52:42 < englishman> the uart reads just start timing out when the camera is reconnected
2017-08-23T18:52:59 < karlp> there's probably a bunch of dyndebug you can turn on for both the imager and the ft232 and porbably even the hub controller
2017-08-23T18:53:06 < karlp> but sounds pretty sucky yes
2017-08-23T18:53:21 < englishman> restart docker container, it comes back up
2017-08-23T18:53:59 < englishman> i asked the brogrammer to add in uart port closing and reopening to see if it fixed anything, as i cant do integration / dont have a dev environment. and he hasnt
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2017-08-23T18:54:56 < Laurenceb_> does anyone know how mbed works?
2017-08-23T18:55:06 < Laurenceb_>  "cloud" compiler?
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2017-08-23T18:58:12 < karlp> englishman: echo "module xhci_hcd +p" | sudo tee -a /sys/kernel/debug/dynamic_debug sort of thing might give you more information on what's going on
2017-08-23T18:58:27 < karlp> s/xhci/ehci/ohci or whatever depending on the hub type, usb3 or usb2
2017-08-23T19:00:37 < englishman> usb2
2017-08-23T19:00:42 < englishman> dynamic_debug is a dir?
2017-08-23T19:01:57 < karlp> oh, dynamic_debug/control or something.
2017-08-23T19:02:15 < englishman> ok thx
2017-08-23T19:02:22 < englishman> ehci for usb2, right
2017-08-23T19:02:44 < karlp> have you read this doc yet? https://www.google.is/search?q=usb+debugging+and+profiling+techniques&oq=usb+debugging+and+profiling+techniques
2017-08-23T19:02:53 < karlp> the first hit from elinux has a bunch of good stuff in it.
2017-08-23T19:02:58 < karlp> can't get a proper link to it.
2017-08-23T19:03:15 < englishman> awesome
2017-08-23T19:04:02 < karlp> (if usb isn't a module, but built in, youmay have to use "file blah.c +p" or something instead, I don't remember very well, but there's a _heap_ of extra stuff you cna turn on.
2017-08-23T19:04:45 < englishman> this command just echoes back module e_blah
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2017-08-23T19:05:10 < karlp> yeah, it just adds more shit into dmesg, if I got the right module at all.
2017-08-23T19:06:15 < englishman> ahh
2017-08-23T19:06:56 < englishman> indeed i seem to get more stuff
2017-08-23T19:07:20 < karlp> yeah, so browse around http://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/v4.4.13/source/drivers/usb/host perhaps and you can try turning on more files and things and maybe get more info on what's gone wrong or why
2017-08-23T19:08:05 < englishman> 4.0 yeah right this is 3.10.98!
2017-08-23T19:08:25 < englishman> :)
2017-08-23T19:08:25 < englishman> thx
2017-08-23T19:11:07 < karlp> hope it helps :|
2017-08-23T19:14:58 < karlp> file drivers/usb/core/hub.c +p gives me a few thigns when I reset power on a device on a port
2017-08-23T19:15:28 < karlp> you can do wildcards too, turn on all sorts of shit and spew logs everywhere
2017-08-23T19:18:57 < englishman> they will look at docker too since it doesnt happen on lunix desktop
2017-08-23T19:19:04 < englishman> but that is also different usb hub, etc
2017-08-23T19:19:08 < englishman> different kernel
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2017-08-23T19:23:20 < karlp> one thing that's happened, particularly since 3.10 era, is that _lots_ more people have discovered usb capable micros and are making devices, and marketting them with _lots_ less testing, and a _pile_ of usb host side bugs triggered by "imperfect"/unexpected device behaviours have been getting found and cleaned up.
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2017-08-23T19:29:34 < englishman> so theres a bunch of new bugs almost every day. nice
2017-08-23T19:34:56 < Rickta59> did you figure out your problem from yesterday englishman ?
2017-08-23T19:37:24 < upgrdman> lunix pros: is there a nice one liner for "uncomment this like in a file if it exists" ? like if /etc/some.conf contains the line "#foo = bar" then replace that line with "foo = bar"
2017-08-23T19:37:30 < upgrdman> s/like/line
2017-08-23T19:39:32 < englishman> Rickta59: same problem
2017-08-23T19:39:46 < englishman> just going deeper into the cause
2017-08-23T19:40:04 < englishman> i mean the reason i am here is "your ftdi doesnt work after 60s"
2017-08-23T19:40:07 < englishman> so blame hardware right
2017-08-23T19:40:11 < englishman> never lunix?!?!?!?!?
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2017-08-23T19:43:02 < Laurenceb_> maybe the radfem usb developer could have fixed it
2017-08-23T19:43:57 < Steffanx> Hows your usb project going Laurenceb_? Or did you go for CAN now?
2017-08-23T19:44:36 < Laurenceb_> usb
2017-08-23T19:44:43 < Laurenceb_> https://my.st.com/content/my_st_com/en/products/embedded-software/mcus-embedded-software/stm32-embedded-software/stm32cube-expansion-software/x-cube-memsmic1.html
2017-08-23T19:44:52 < Laurenceb_> going to try that with laptop
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2017-08-23T20:52:56 < aandrew> Laurenceb: I did some work wtih their mic library
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2017-08-23T21:20:55 < englishman> oh wow
2017-08-23T21:21:00 < englishman> isolated problem to cypress usb hub
2017-08-23T21:21:12 < englishman> can reproduce problem on other hardware
2017-08-23T21:26:27 < zyp> what are you working on?
2017-08-23T21:31:46 < ohsix> https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2016/03/10/creating-police-siren-sounds-with-frequency-modulation/
2017-08-23T21:32:45 < ohsix> englishman: overdue to check for errata on the hub? :p sounds like it will be an extremely specific thing
2017-08-23T21:33:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: ^ matches beginning of line, so look for lines that begin with a comment, then put () around the text you want to keep and use \1 in the substitution
2017-08-23T21:34:42 < englishman> o6 checked long ago, no errata for this part
2017-08-23T21:35:00 < englishman> zyp: CY7C65631-56LTXI
2017-08-23T21:35:07 < englishman> so
2017-08-23T21:35:33 < englishman> downstream of this hub is a usb2-hs imager and <ftdi serial adapter> doesnt matter which one
2017-08-23T21:36:15 < englishman> when the imager enumerates, the device using open ttyusb device can no longer communicate
2017-08-23T21:36:24 < englishman> reproducible on my hardware and other cypress hardware
2017-08-23T21:36:28 < ohsix> zyp: you guys' were talking about mqtt/amqp; what were you using it with? how 2 authenticate members that publish/post values, or enroll them
2017-08-23T21:36:51 < englishman> switch to GL850G, no problems
2017-08-23T21:36:55 < ohsix> englishman: that could still be the usb2-hs
2017-08-23T21:37:00 < ohsix> even if it works on another hub
2017-08-23T21:37:39 < ohsix> does lunix say anything interesting when the serial adapter tries to do something after usb2-hs is enumerated/reset?
2017-08-23T21:38:38 < ohsix> if you're using libusb (and in some/most cases when you aren't) you can split up the different phases of driver matching/binding and see if it is setting a configuration or whatever that ultimately causes the problem
2017-08-23T21:38:38 < zyp> ohsix, currently running it without auth, it's not publicly exposed
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2017-08-23T21:39:44 < englishman> there is absolutely nothing in any lunix log to show that anything has happened except the usb2-hs uvc device enumerating
2017-08-23T21:44:32 < ohsix> zyp: word
2017-08-23T21:45:04 < ohsix> one of the problems i've got is an esp8266 will be on one end and not a real lunix or anything i could just pre-enroll or otherwise put on a vpn before anyone has the thing
2017-08-23T21:48:35 < ohsix> the biggest real hazard to just leaving it alone and treating shit in a sane way (eg. probably unauthenticated / bogons wouldn't matter) is that there are people that don't know shit about anything throwing 'security' around
2017-08-23T21:48:45 < ohsix> and they can't even follow if i start telling them what that would mean
2017-08-23T21:50:12 < ohsix> englishman: don't know fastest way to check, but it might be worth checking if autosuspend and stuff is quirked, or something about the hub makes power management stuff be generally disabled on one but not the other
2017-08-23T21:50:31 < ohsix> if it isn't a mouse or keyboard people don't usually give a fuck or necessarily even check or care about power management
2017-08-23T21:50:35 < ohsix> source of random shit
2017-08-23T21:58:17 < fest> I took apart one of those china st-link clones and I'm seeing a microcontroller with this marking: STM32 GC102C8
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2017-08-23T22:01:05 < fest> I've never seen marking like that- is that an F102?
2017-08-23T22:03:08 < fest> I wanted to flash bmp on it but now I'm just curious if that is genuine ST microcontroller
2017-08-23T22:05:32 < upgrdman> dafuq am i doing wrong here: $ sed -i 's/ENABLED=0/ENABLED=1' someFile.conf       sed: -e expression #1, char 21: unterminated `s' command
2017-08-23T22:05:56 < gxti> lul
2017-08-23T22:07:54 < c10ud> trailing /?
2017-08-23T22:07:55 < ds2> trailing /
2017-08-23T22:08:13 < c10ud> wow
2017-08-23T22:08:43 < upgrdman> that fixed it
2017-08-23T22:08:53 < upgrdman> wtf, why didnt the woman page show a trailing /
2017-08-23T22:10:12 < c10ud> probably a trailing flag was there
2017-08-23T22:20:40 < devanagram> fest: All of the clones I've seen had F101C8 or F103C8 - I've never seen an F102 on a clone before. I'd love to see a picture of it if you have one.
2017-08-23T22:33:57 < upgrdman> hmm. when i cat a certain file, it fucks up the character encoding in my terminal. guessing theres some special characters in there that dick with my terminal. how can i print the contents of a text file to the screen without any of the characters being interpreted?
2017-08-23T22:34:35 < Thorn> FORMOSAT-5 launch webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI
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2017-08-23T22:35:43 < Thorn> upgrdman try less or vim or mc -v
2017-08-23T22:37:10 < upgrdman> oh hmm shit it IS a binary file
2017-08-23T22:37:14 < upgrdman> those bastards
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2017-08-23T22:40:27 < englishman> opened ticket with cypress
2017-08-23T22:40:34 < englishman> i expect an angry russian man to reply shortly
2017-08-23T22:41:07 < gxti> real pro EE?
2017-08-23T22:43:36 < fest> devanagram: http://imgur.com/a/5Sr3w
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2017-08-23T22:49:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: it does, for s
2017-08-23T22:49:27 < devanagram> That's definitely a first for me. I suspect it will work with the BMP firmware anyways, since it's probably using pirated STLink firmware binaries, so it has to be peripheral and pinout compatible.
2017-08-23T22:49:41 < ohsix> sed is one of those programs that has a whole book hiding in info too
2017-08-23T22:49:51 < ohsix> Thorn: xxd
2017-08-23T22:52:10 < englishman> interesting, there is similar errata in an earlier generation of this chip
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2017-08-23T22:54:00 < fest> devanagram: yeah, but it reports having 64K flash and blackmagic binaries for PROBE_HOST=stlink don't seem to fit
2017-08-23T22:55:45 < devanagram> fest: you can either remove target drivers you don't need or you can cross your fingers and hope that the flash past 64K works. A lot of the clones are C8 chips that are only supposed to have 64K but the full 128K unofficially works anyways.
2017-08-23T22:56:12 < fest> yeah, I'm looking into patching st-flash to remove the check
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2017-08-23T22:58:01 < fest> the part about F101 not officially having USB but having it available and cheap clone manufacturers relying on that amazes me
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2017-08-23T22:58:59 < englishman> haha
2017-08-23T22:59:01 < englishman> yeah
2017-08-23T22:59:19 < ohsix> if i had to guess, the 102 has similar part number to the 103 and maybe it's just pre-programmed or masked
2017-08-23T22:59:36 < englishman> guy in another chan recently found china mfgrs buying 16k F030, programming larger area, and RDP1 locking it, which is broken now so he read it out and got entire firmware which was >16k
2017-08-23T22:59:48 < ohsix> fest: can you read out the existing firmware?
2017-08-23T23:01:11 < ohsix> fest: the usb one is new to me, hehe, with the flash thing, i wonder if they only actually produce one die for like 30 part numbers
2017-08-23T23:01:22 < ohsix> it makes sense that they would, but i haven't seen a company go that 'wide' with such a scheme
2017-08-23T23:01:30 < devanagram> The STLink firmware aggressively enables RDP, so you can't really read it out it non-destructively.
2017-08-23T23:01:57 < ohsix> ah i was under the impression that it wasn't a legit stlink
2017-08-23T23:01:59  * englishman is an aggressive enabler
2017-08-23T23:02:27 < fest> yeah, it was RDP
2017-08-23T23:02:48 < devanagram> AFAICT, they all have pirated STLink firmware so that it works with the official ST utilities and updater, so it has the same RDP functionality in the bootloader.
2017-08-23T23:03:20 < ohsix> englishman was referring to recent hax that let you get at the contents anyways, might be worth checking
2017-08-23T23:04:45 < ohsix> i got to messing with that radar sports toy thing again, was reading the fuses and checking boring shit out. they fuse for the rc oscillator but the resonator is fitted, the product may have actually worked properly if they used the right clock source, someone really fucked up hehe
2017-08-23T23:05:57 < aandrew> what's RDP?
2017-08-23T23:06:03 < ohsix> readout protection
2017-08-23T23:06:05 < aandrew> ah
2017-08-23T23:06:13 < ohsix> level one keeps swd enabled and stuff, level 2 is nuclear
2017-08-23T23:06:31 < ohsix> can't even use bootloader pins the same way at level2
2017-08-23T23:06:38 < aandrew> I never understood why people liked stlink; it is hideous
2017-08-23T23:06:45 < aandrew> it fails more than half the time
2017-08-23T23:06:49 < ohsix> like, the box?
2017-08-23T23:06:57 < aandrew> yeah, I've had nothing but trouble with it
2017-08-23T23:07:06 < aandrew> jlink (even on stlink hardware) works flawlessly
2017-08-23T23:07:08 < ohsix> i've only used clones so as a gripe it would be totally academic
2017-08-23T23:07:14 < aandrew> and I want to give a real go to this bmp stuff now
2017-08-23T23:07:22 < ohsix> what ocd did you use with yours?
2017-08-23T23:07:39 < aandrew> oh I can't remember, probably 0.9.x which is ancient
2017-08-23T23:07:42 < ohsix> i've not used keil or anything 'official' with it
2017-08-23T23:07:47 < ohsix> ah
2017-08-23T23:07:50 < aandrew> or 0.10.x which has no docu since all the docu is 0.9.x or the other way arond
2017-08-23T23:09:10 < ohsix> aliexpress reordered the toolbar and it made me more confused than i'd like to admit :o
2017-08-23T23:10:22 < fest> I feel like a dirty whore after disabling the flash size check in st-flash
2017-08-23T23:10:27 < fest> is it normal?
2017-08-23T23:10:46 < ohsix> try programming all the flash with something you can verify on readback
2017-08-23T23:11:06 < ohsix> then try twice the size, repeat hehhe
2017-08-23T23:11:21 < fest> nah, I programmed blackmagic firmware and it __seems__ to work
2017-08-23T23:11:41 < ohsix> now that it's kind of well known they use the same die in a lot of verticals, you can probably infer which are the same from power specs
2017-08-23T23:12:50 < fest> now I wonder how much RAM does it __really__ have
2017-08-23T23:12:52 < ohsix> ... which is also available in xml
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2017-08-23T23:26:23 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_buildings while germany and others force their nuclear plants to shut down finns built the most expensive one ever seen
2017-08-23T23:26:38 < kakimir> and still counting..
2017-08-23T23:29:33 < englishman> wow GL850G looks like a way better chip than anything microchip/ti/cypress has to offer
2017-08-23T23:29:38 < englishman> why is it available only in china
2017-08-23T23:29:56 < englishman> same with terminus-tech hub
2017-08-23T23:30:13 < Steffanx> and olimex too P
2017-08-23T23:31:00 < englishman> hi steffy
2017-08-23T23:31:15 < englishman> how's the millenial life
2017-08-23T23:31:21 < Steffanx> Great as ever.
2017-08-23T23:31:24 < englishman> i drank some coconut water
2017-08-23T23:31:38 < englishman> <-- responsible for the downfall of society
2017-08-23T23:31:53 < Steffanx> I ruined something today. Not sure what yet, but that's what we, millenials, do.
2017-08-23T23:32:17 < Steffanx> i hate coconut [anything]
2017-08-23T23:33:15 < kakimir> I drank canned coconut milk or some sort of juice
2017-08-23T23:33:18 < kakimir> it was horrible
2017-08-23T23:33:40 < kakimir> the meat though is yam of course
2017-08-23T23:36:19 < kakimir> englishman: https://i.imgur.com/0BVs6sh.mp4 something to motivate you to fix bath tub
2017-08-23T23:36:46 < englishman> tes
2017-08-23T23:36:47 < englishman> yes
2017-08-23T23:36:49 < englishman> saturday
2017-08-23T23:36:51 < englishman> i have the parts
2017-08-23T23:36:56 < englishman> the leak is exposed
2017-08-23T23:36:58 < englishman> i just need time
2017-08-23T23:37:00 < englishman> saturday
2017-08-23T23:37:15 < kakimir> chill
2017-08-23T23:37:16 < Steffanx> party time!
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2017-08-23T23:50:34 < englishman> 🤞🏿
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2017-08-23T23:57:43 < kakimir> luxxx?
--- Day changed Thu Aug 24 2017
2017-08-24T00:15:14 < kakimir> movie recommds?
2017-08-24T00:17:21 < englishman> what are you in the mood for
2017-08-24T00:17:30 < englishman> i saw 8fast8furryous
2017-08-24T00:17:33 < englishman> what a horrible movie
2017-08-24T00:18:58 < kakimir> no thanks
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2017-08-24T00:49:25 < Thorn> 5/5 would read again https://imagecomics.com/comics/series/the-beauty
2017-08-24T00:52:20 < kakimir> what is it?
2017-08-24T00:53:13 < Thorn> basically a comic series about a world where beautiful people spontaneously combust
2017-08-24T00:53:42 < Thorn> which is 5/5 alone
2017-08-24T00:53:44 < kakimir> combust symbolically?
2017-08-24T00:54:09 < jadew`> what did the everyone else said? "Thank god we're ugly"?
2017-08-24T00:54:26 < jadew`> also, that cover would suggest something completely different
2017-08-24T00:54:27 < Thorn> nothing symbolic about it
2017-08-24T00:54:29 < kakimir> Thorn: which one to buy?
2017-08-24T00:54:35 < jadew`> but maybe it's just my dirty mind
2017-08-24T00:54:43 < kakimir> no jadew`
2017-08-24T00:56:08 < jadew`> I haven't read a comic book since I was a kid
2017-08-24T00:56:23 < jadew`> I think the last one I had was with donald duck's rich relative
2017-08-24T00:56:41 < jadew`> he was bathing in gold coins
2017-08-24T00:57:23 < jadew`> it inspired me
2017-08-24T00:57:45 < kakimir> who hasn't?
2017-08-24T00:58:28 < kakimir> I don't know about eastblock
2017-08-24T00:59:10 < kakimir> what was cartoon culture in USSR?
2017-08-24T01:00:10 < jadew`> I don't know, ask R2COM
2017-08-24T01:00:20 < Thorn> here is another good one https://imagecomics.com/comics/series/alex-ada
2017-08-24T01:01:01 < jadew`> kakimir, in here, we had stuff on VHS
2017-08-24T01:01:30 < jadew`> I remember watching the gummy bears and deciding it's my favorite cartoon of all time
2017-08-24T01:02:19 < Thorn> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnJbtbh4tDE
2017-08-24T01:02:26 < jadew`> still tryint to find a sci-fi movie I saw when I was very young and I loved it, but my dad kept me from watching it again (probably because of the violence)
2017-08-24T01:03:16 < jadew`> but I didn't understand at that time why I can't seem to watch it again (he didn't deny it, he just diverted my attention from it I think)
2017-08-24T01:03:51 < kakimir> jadew`: tell something about it
2017-08-24T01:03:58 < kakimir> we may know the movie
2017-08-24T01:04:12 < jadew`> I remember the dark background
2017-08-24T01:04:16 < jadew`> pointy dark ship
2017-08-24T01:04:22 < kakimir> ship?
2017-08-24T01:04:22 < jadew`> with possibly a red light
2017-08-24T01:04:26 < kakimir> what kind of ship?
2017-08-24T01:04:36 < kakimir> era, type
2017-08-24T01:04:37 < jadew`> yeah, it had some small ship that looked like a pointy triangle
2017-08-24T01:04:44 < kakimir> marine?
2017-08-24T01:04:46 < jadew`> I probably saw it in the 90's
2017-08-24T01:04:52 < jadew`> so before that
2017-08-24T01:05:20 < jadew`> also, I think there were a lot of people in full black (including helmets)
2017-08-24T01:06:10 < kakimir> okay
2017-08-24T01:06:22 < kakimir> did it have dystopic future cityscapes?
2017-08-24T01:06:37 < jadew`> I don't remember that
2017-08-24T01:07:09 < jadew`> that's pretty much all I remember from it + a picture of a fight
2017-08-24T01:07:18 < jadew`> I think that's where the movie ended for me
2017-08-24T01:07:48 < jadew`> I must have been 4 back then
2017-08-24T01:07:58 < jadew`> 5 at most
2017-08-24T01:08:44 < kakimir> Impossible to know if we don't know the general athmosphere
2017-08-24T01:09:32 < jadew`> yeah, I've seen a lot of sci-fi movies but I couldn't find that one yet
2017-08-24T01:10:28 < jadew`> I did find another one from my childhood that I almost saw, but couldn't see it because my tooth hurt on two consecutive occasions when my cousin took me to the cinema (she was bigger than me and I ruined it for her twice)
2017-08-24T01:10:39 < jadew`> third night we didn't go anymore
2017-08-24T01:11:15 < jadew`> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088172/reference
2017-08-24T01:14:56 < kakimir> okay I rather watch russian movies then
2017-08-24T01:20:04 < kakimir> recommend any?
2017-08-24T01:20:13 < jadew`> sci-fi movies?
2017-08-24T01:20:37 < jadew`> what year?
2017-08-24T01:21:18 < kakimir> scifi
2017-08-24T01:22:40 < englishman> https://i.redd.it/sbag43enajhz.jpg
2017-08-24T01:22:50 < jadew`> well, depends how big you're on sci-fi, if you're not, you won't know these
2017-08-24T01:23:22 < jadew`> I don't know... my list only has really old ones you've probably seen
2017-08-24T01:23:44 < kakimir> I have seen only a few russian scifi titles
2017-08-24T01:23:55 < jadew`> ah, you want russian?
2017-08-24T01:24:13 < jadew`> I've maybe seen one russian one
2017-08-24T01:26:52 < kakimir> well if I follow the youtube link I can see all dem short cartoon films
2017-08-24T01:29:11 < jadew`> pretty sure I recommended this one before
2017-08-24T01:29:16 < jadew`> childhood's end
2017-08-24T01:29:19 < jadew`> it's a mini-series
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2017-08-24T01:33:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otE6CnFUXDA
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2017-08-24T01:34:15 < kakimir> more robots
2017-08-24T01:34:55 < englishman> drones, wat
2017-08-24T01:35:24 < kakimir> for the hype value
2017-08-24T01:35:27 < kakimir> but why not
2017-08-24T01:35:34 < kakimir> use all the 3d space you have
2017-08-24T01:35:50 < kakimir> fill the halls with swarming drones
2017-08-24T01:36:19 < kakimir> bringing in streams of smaller supplies
2017-08-24T01:36:42 < kakimir> +100db factory
2017-08-24T01:37:54 < englishman> are there usb2-fs chinaclone protocol analyzers
2017-08-24T01:38:03 < Laurenceb_> why the quadcopter obsession
2017-08-24T01:38:07 < Laurenceb_> shit makes no sense
2017-08-24T01:38:27 < Laurenceb_> hmm this looks practical
2017-08-24T01:38:28 < Laurenceb_>  /s
2017-08-24T01:39:00 < Thorn> ibeacon is fucking garbage
2017-08-24T01:39:04 < Thorn> absolutely unreliable
2017-08-24T01:39:25 < englishman> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-usb-analyzer
2017-08-24T01:39:26 < englishman> hahaha
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2017-08-24T01:39:47 < Laurenceb_> the lidar stuff is sane
2017-08-24T01:39:48 < Thorn> or maybe it's BLE implementation in smarhphones
2017-08-24T01:40:10 < englishman> beep jpa-
2017-08-24T01:40:13 < englishman> does that work well
2017-08-24T01:40:24 < englishman> is DSO still available or has it been replaced by something better
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2017-08-24T01:41:28 < Laurenceb_> oh wow
2017-08-24T01:41:42 < Laurenceb_> the human+computer vision assembly system is quite epic
2017-08-24T01:41:42 < englishman> maybe this is a job for sigrok
2017-08-24T01:41:54 < Laurenceb_> half the stuff is daft, half cool
2017-08-24T01:42:53 < englishman> wow sigrok supports riglols
2017-08-24T01:43:45 < englishman> and does various usb shit
2017-08-24T01:43:46 < englishman> hmhmhmh
2017-08-24T01:50:13 < kakimir> my LTE modem doesn't work well if I put it in short extension cable
2017-08-24T01:50:51 < kakimir> keeps disconnecting
2017-08-24T01:50:54 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-08-24_00-50-30.png why would you put fat traces like this if they have to go through tiny pins in a flat connector anyway
2017-08-24T01:51:19 < kakimir> sshnuke
2017-08-24T01:55:34 < englishman> rajkosto: lower total impedance...
2017-08-24T01:55:41 < englishman> even if its not lower by much
2017-08-24T01:55:42 < englishman> good practice
2017-08-24T01:58:13 < jadew`> that audi factory looks awesome
2017-08-24T02:01:17 < jadew`> lol @ the comments
2017-08-24T02:01:21 < jadew`> "That's it people, cheer on your demise by praising the very technology that will turn you into the best designed slave the elite have been working towards"
2017-08-24T02:01:32 < jadew`> and the answer to it: "Why do you need slave when robots do all the work?"
2017-08-24T02:02:04 < kakimir> jadew`: it's not actual factory
2017-08-24T02:02:18 < jadew`> I figured from what was on the displays
2017-08-24T02:02:28 < jadew`> but nice technology anyway
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2017-08-24T02:06:32 < icee> hey, everyone.  anyone familiar with exception handling on cortex-m?  I've read (multiple) docs, and i've written some code that doesn't work.  haven't resorted to the debugger yet-- but would like a sanity check of what i'm doing
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2017-08-24T02:07:59 < kakimir> use debugger
2017-08-24T02:08:03 < kakimir> always
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2017-08-24T02:14:57 < kakimir> I mean.. you are basically almost blind without debugger
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2017-08-24T02:24:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OwTJFuDI7g
2017-08-24T02:24:54 < Thorn> kakimir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el27uMy9b0o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzGU-DRyUM lol
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2017-08-24T02:30:23 < icee> kakimir: use debugger last, to ensure you understand things first :P
2017-08-24T02:30:41 < icee> not just hack on shit inspecting memory until it seems to work
2017-08-24T02:31:24 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/BNWAv1f
2017-08-24T02:34:28 < kakimir> Thorn: I like something more soviet era influenced
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2017-08-24T02:35:16 < jadew`> https://youtu.be/uLF1cJ-qLU8?t=167
2017-08-24T02:36:06 < jadew`> (that's from 2012)
2017-08-24T02:36:57 < Thorn> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJSSFV4e-8
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2017-08-24T02:40:02 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/syW42vd
2017-08-24T02:40:05 < Laurenceb_> holy shit my sides
2017-08-24T02:41:37 < kakimir> seriously?
2017-08-24T02:41:50 < Laurenceb_> got to be a troll... I hope
2017-08-24T02:42:14 < kakimir> I learned the meaning of my sides boi
2017-08-24T02:42:19 < jadew`> funny what it says for romania
2017-08-24T02:42:45 < kakimir> it means that when you laught and it hurts your sides when you laught violently true'+
2017-08-24T02:42:49 < kakimir> ?
2017-08-24T02:42:57 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-08-24T02:43:24 < jadew`> what sides?
2017-08-24T02:43:39 < kakimir> your bodi
2017-08-24T02:43:51 < kakimir> left and right side
2017-08-24T02:44:18 < jadew`> you mean your cheeks?
2017-08-24T02:45:00 < kakimir> torso
2017-08-24T02:45:42 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: at least scandinavian searches make all sense
2017-08-24T02:45:44 < kakimir> to me
2017-08-24T02:46:01 < kakimir> I would imagine someone searching those
2017-08-24T02:48:37 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/965/123/1d0.png
2017-08-24T02:48:43 < Laurenceb_> as seen in Ben Garrison
2017-08-24T02:50:00 < englishman> dongs, how do i reliably get Genesys parts
2017-08-24T02:50:09 < kakimir> you just posted a low resolution picture Laurenceb_
2017-08-24T02:50:30 < Laurenceb_> no high res on know your meme
2017-08-24T02:51:18 < Laurenceb_> if you say "my sides",apparently you are a chucklehead
2017-08-24T02:52:30 < kakimir> are hispanic like murderous or something?
2017-08-24T02:53:46 < Laurenceb_> lookslike it
2017-08-24T02:55:42 < kakimir> do you statistically die when you go there and leave the tourist area?
2017-08-24T03:00:58 < kakimir> culture at least is a bit different.. drunk driving and stuff like that is a norm
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2017-08-24T03:08:18 < ds2> checked skynet distributors for for Gensys arts?
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2017-08-24T03:28:12 < Laurenceb_> inb4 Maddy
2017-08-24T03:28:35 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Madeleine_McCann
2017-08-24T03:31:36 < jadew`> I think you linked that before
2017-08-24T03:31:49 < jadew`> I didn't understand why you linked it back then either
2017-08-24T03:32:16 < jadew`> what's the catch?
2017-08-24T03:32:40  * ReadErr spits on Laurenceb_ 
2017-08-24T03:33:23 < Laurenceb_> Portugal
2017-08-24T03:33:32 < Laurenceb_> <kakimir> do you statistically die when you go there and leave the tourist area?
2017-08-24T03:33:38 < Laurenceb_> no you are already dead
2017-08-24T03:35:13 < jadew`> kakimir, depends, when I visited Barcelona there were neighbourhoods that seemed unsafe
2017-08-24T03:35:30 < jadew`> but the only crimes I witnessed were being commited by romanians
2017-08-24T03:35:35 < jadew`> well, gypsies
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2017-08-24T03:38:37 < jadew`> https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/es
2017-08-24T03:41:17 < jadew`> I guess Spain is not that dangerous, but if you scroll down, you'll see that the other spanish english countries are not doing that well
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2017-08-24T03:44:36 < jadew`> *spanish speaking
2017-08-24T03:44:40  * jadew` goes to bed
2017-08-24T03:55:00 < kakimir> Laurenceb: wasn't it the pizza gang who kidnapped maddie anyways
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2017-08-24T06:40:29 < dale6998> can anybody give me some advice on how to build this github repo from scratch for a stm32f411 discovery board?
2017-08-24T06:40:32 < dale6998> https://github.com/EarToEarOak/STM32F4-HD44780
2017-08-24T06:40:54 < dale6998> i'm using Unix only and arm-none-eabi...no IDE
2017-08-24T06:41:02 < dale6998> Makefile city
2017-08-24T06:43:28 < aandrew> dale6998: what I usually do is rip up all the extraneous crap
2017-08-24T06:44:49 < dale6998> aandrew: how do  you know what's extraneous
2017-08-24T06:45:27 < aandrew> the heart of the code is in src; What I usually do is set up an stm32cube-gcc repo (https://github.com/stv0g/stm32cube-gcc)
2017-08-24T06:45:32 < aandrew> dale6998: experience mostly
2017-08-24T06:46:19 < aandrew> basically copy the src/ directory from your HD44780 into the stm32cube-gcc repo
2017-08-24T06:46:27 < aandrew> that's a quick start anyway
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2017-08-24T07:19:54 < dale6998> aandrew: i'm doing that, but the issues i'm running into are that it's complaining about some things not being declared
2017-08-24T07:20:00 < dale6998> like, TIM12, for instance
2017-08-24T07:22:41 < dale6998> aandrew:  i'm trying to fit this into whatever CubeMX spit out as a 'project', mostly because i'm hoping it dumps all the necessary files into the /inc directory
2017-08-24T07:22:51 < dale6998> that's a cool repo...
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2017-08-24T07:35:05 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/ActiveFormalAlbatross
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2017-08-24T07:58:17 < aandrew> dale6998: it takes a bit of figuring out but that is by far the best skeleton I've found
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2017-08-24T09:02:47 < englishman> LOL
2017-08-24T09:02:51 < englishman> motherfucking cypress
2017-08-24T09:02:54 < englishman> such a scam company
2017-08-24T09:03:08 < englishman> Please ship your samples to the address below.
2017-08-24T09:03:13 < englishman> General Trias Cavite, Philippines 4107
2017-08-24T09:03:16 < englishman> are you fucking serious
2017-08-24T09:03:37 < englishman> what happened to SAN JOSE CA
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2017-08-24T09:55:22 < jpa-> englishman: it kind-of works, as in i've successfully debugged stuff using it.. but it has bugs and doesn't work for the newest DS203 revisions
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2017-08-24T10:27:26 < Rajko> why MLCC capacitor explode https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-08-24_09-26-28.png
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2017-08-24T11:04:54 < gnom> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QUFWo7lRwYw/U2oc_416uyI/AAAAAAAAJeU/ZgPgUFeQTys/s1921/grumpy-rengar-art-philiera-1920x1200.jpg
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2017-08-24T11:49:38 < stvn> smokeres
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2017-08-24T12:01:41 < stvn> welcome
2017-08-24T12:01:45 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/pt127urlalhz.jpg
2017-08-24T12:02:14 < tomeaton17> Hello
2017-08-24T12:02:19 < tomeaton17> I am struggling with USART Interrupts on the STM32F1xx. Why is this code not working? https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/7021643fa105fd8556f138ed9fa7a21c
2017-08-24T12:02:40 < tomeaton17> I tried using the non interrupt receive but it was rubbish
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2017-08-24T12:07:53 < stvn> dekar has steffan sent the stroopwafel
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2017-08-24T12:34:06 < stvn> tomeaton17, did you gas everyone?
2017-08-24T12:35:50 < upgrdman> open can of gun powder   https://gfycat.com/ActiveFormalAlbatross
2017-08-24T12:36:25 < tomeaton17> stvn: What I don't understand haha
2017-08-24T12:36:41 < stvn> better get to keiling tomeaton17
2017-08-24T12:37:57 < tomeaton17> what is that
2017-08-24T12:39:46 < stvn> And if you do that just right.... She'll fall right out
2017-08-24T12:40:59 < tomeaton17> I have no idea what is going on haha I just want help with my problems :)
2017-08-24T12:42:17 < stvn> clive1
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2017-08-24T12:49:42 < karlp> tomeaton17: why do you have receiveIT() shit in main and in your irq handler?
2017-08-24T12:55:46 < karlp> englishman: looking for genesys hub chips? I thought you were still hoping to blame linux?
2017-08-24T12:58:36 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/pZULwWZ.jpg
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2017-08-24T12:59:02 < tomeaton17> Idk I thought you must use when using interrupts
2017-08-24T13:03:00 < karlp> icee: sooo. did you ever get around to elaborating on what wasn't working?
2017-08-24T13:04:51 < stvn> i need litz wire
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2017-08-24T13:06:13 < karlp> englishman: was there at least some nice scenery in 8fast8furries?
2017-08-24T13:07:30 < karlp> terminus tech hub chips look cool on paper, but i've never seen one implemented using all it's claimed features, so I don't know if it's actrually any good.
2017-08-24T13:07:43 < stvn> 2fast2dead
2017-08-24T13:07:56 < stvn> do i need a soder pot to tin litz wire?
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2017-08-24T13:09:29 < Thorn> tomeaton17: what is this supposed to do https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/7021643fa105fd8556f138ed9fa7a21c#file-main-c-L107
2017-08-24T13:09:38 < Thorn> especially before the receive
2017-08-24T13:10:24 < Fleck> :D
2017-08-24T13:10:37 < tomeaton17> haha
2017-08-24T13:10:44 < tomeaton17> Its meant to send what is received
2017-08-24T13:11:40 < stvn> welcome Fleck
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2017-08-24T13:13:31 < Fleck> hello stvn
2017-08-24T13:15:22 < stvn> thank
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2017-08-24T13:19:47 < tomeaton17> Thorn: https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/e9596c99829175a0dd8c94137d2c88d5 this should initialise the IRQhandler but I don't think it is
2017-08-24T13:22:38 < Thorn> define "initialise the IRQhandler"
2017-08-24T13:23:50 < Thorn> I also don't get why you're calling HAL_UART_Receive_IT() in your main loop
2017-08-24T13:24:54 < Thorn> enabling interrupt before the peripheral is initialized is hardly a good idea in general https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/e9596c99829175a0dd8c94137d2c88d5#file-main-c-L65
2017-08-24T13:25:11 < Thorn> (call it after HAL_UART_Init())
2017-08-24T13:26:05 < Thorn> also what was wrong with your non-interuupt code, did it not work?
2017-08-24T13:48:50 < tomeaton17> Thorn: Not it didnt work
2017-08-24T13:49:22 < tomeaton17> I though receive had to be called regularly
2017-08-24T13:50:29 < Steffanx> Here: some attention for stvn
2017-08-24T13:51:16 < stvn> go2bed
2017-08-24T13:52:16 < karlp> englishman: https://www.electronicproducts.com/Internet_of_Things/Sensors/Hands_on_review_making_an_open_source_soil_moisture_alarm_go_full_IoT.aspx
2017-08-24T13:52:39 < stvn> IoT is still alive?
2017-08-24T13:53:26 < fest> it's still at the peak of hype cycle
2017-08-24T13:53:48 < fest> http://blogs.gartner.com/smarterwithgartner/files/2017/08/Emerging-Technology-Hype-Cycle-for-2017_Infographic_R6A.jpg
2017-08-24T13:54:05 < fest> wtf is smart dust?
2017-08-24T13:55:15 < emeryth> wtf is 4D printing
2017-08-24T13:55:24 < stvn> when they 3d print
2017-08-24T13:55:29 < stvn> then ejaculate all over it
2017-08-24T13:56:56 < emeryth> that is normal 3d printing
2017-08-24T13:57:22 < fest> stvn: re: litz wire: if you mean headphone wires, I've had success clearing the insulation by poking it with a soldering iron on a tablet of aspirin
2017-08-24T13:57:43 < karlp> wat
2017-08-24T13:57:55 < stvn> n
2017-08-24T13:58:07 < stvn> litz wire for switchmode power supply transformers
2017-08-24T13:58:29 < tomeaton17> 4d printing is printing stuff that will react to stimuli
2017-08-24T13:58:30 < fest> oh, that you just need a bit hotter soldering iron temp
2017-08-24T13:59:38 < stvn> coolz
2017-08-24T13:59:51 < stvn> never used it tbh
2017-08-24T13:59:57 < Steffanx> http://time.is/australia
2017-08-24T14:00:01 < stvn> yes
2017-08-24T14:00:04 < stvn> time is australia
2017-08-24T14:00:09 < stvn> australia is time
2017-08-24T14:00:15 < stvn> is australia time?
2017-08-24T14:00:21 < Steffanx> Teapots
2017-08-24T14:00:23 < stvn> think about it stfn.
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2017-08-24T14:01:07 < stvn> i have to urinate into a porcelain bowl, i shall.
2017-08-24T14:07:53 < stvn> happy now.
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2017-08-24T14:34:37 < Thorn> https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/eb/b9/ebb934_6367274.jpg
2017-08-24T14:42:37 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8hwZ3iNcHc
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2017-08-24T15:18:10 < Laurenceb> usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.9.3/include/stdint.h:9:26: fatal error: stdint.h: No such file or directory
2017-08-24T15:18:10 < Laurenceb>  # include_next <stdint.h>
2017-08-24T15:18:24 < Laurenceb> hmm my timecube installation seems broken
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2017-08-24T15:31:35 < Laurenceb> autism intensifies https://www.youtube.com/user/JennyENicholson
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2017-08-24T15:33:16 < karlp> autism intensifies => laurenceb pastes another link...
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2017-08-24T15:46:03 < englishman> karlp: yes looked at terminus too, but genesys already replied to my emails
2017-08-24T15:47:02 < englishman> 8fast8furryous might have good scenery but I didn't see much on the airplane seat monitor, maybe in establishing shots for a fraction of a second
2017-08-24T15:47:35 < englishman> and yea we might have found some new errata for a current cypress hub ic
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2017-08-24T15:57:03 < QRE> hi
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2017-08-24T16:03:31 < englishman> welcome
2017-08-24T16:07:30 < QRE> I would like to put my interruption vecto into STM32 local RAM, how can I do that ? I have already create my RAM section into the linker file
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2017-08-24T16:12:04 < karlp> englishman: good job on finding cypress errata. always fun.
2017-08-24T16:12:20 < englishman> haha
2017-08-24T16:12:31 < englishman> on these chips its in the errata section!
2017-08-24T16:12:35 < englishman> where it says: no errata.
2017-08-24T16:12:50 < karlp> next they'll provide you with a firmware for the hub, and boggle when you say "of course I fucking didn't put down the optional spi flash, why the fuck would I have done that?"
2017-08-24T16:13:12 < englishman> we are not even using the eeprom, just defaults
2017-08-24T16:13:21 < englishman> will use up 3 emails max on these clowns
2017-08-24T16:13:25 < englishman> buying genesys anyway
2017-08-24T16:13:32 < karlp> cheaper too I'd imagine,
2017-08-24T16:13:45 < karlp> just harder to prototype with because it's not vailable on dk/mouser
2017-08-24T16:13:58 < englishman> much cheaper
2017-08-24T16:14:16 < karlp> the smsc2640 usbhub+sd card reader we use has given us some quirks too, and I found another company that had been using it, and went with some other generic thing in their product.
2017-08-24T16:14:41 < englishman> haha
2017-08-24T16:15:02 < englishman> i sure hope this is the last cypress product i ever use
2017-08-24T16:15:14 < karlp> some alcor micro part that was unobtainium in small volumes for us.
2017-08-24T16:15:36 < karlp> I'm sad, I had the cypress hub chips on a list to look at for something in the past, never got around to trying them
2017-08-24T16:15:55 < karlp> cypress was always like, " I should try and use some alterantive vendor parts"
2017-08-24T16:16:06 < karlp> and then you're like, "there's a fucking reason they're the "other" vendor"
2017-08-24T16:16:25 < englishman> cypress actually suggested you use another vendor?
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2017-08-24T16:18:25 < karlp> no, I mean, I always thought of cypress fondly, like, I should try their stuff
2017-08-24T16:18:41 < karlp> we're not big enough to get to speak to anyone.
2017-08-24T16:18:51 < englishman> what are you talking about
2017-08-24T16:18:54 < englishman> they have a rep in this channel
2017-08-24T16:19:02 < englishman> if he's not on ignore
2017-08-24T16:19:17 < englishman> he can abuse you as well as any other cs rep
2017-08-24T16:19:20 < karlp> yeah, I don't really count that person as a useful contact :)
2017-08-24T16:19:47 < englishman> kind of funny they asked me to send proprietary hardware to the phillipines
2017-08-24T16:20:02 < karlp> hah.
2017-08-24T16:20:09 < englishman> like you need an NDA to get in the building
2017-08-24T16:20:37 < englishman> another NDA to use some 3rd party sub module...
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2017-08-24T16:45:20 < fest> are there any examples/templates for projects using libopencm3 and cmake?
2017-08-24T16:47:04 < karlp> people would have to like cmake first....
2017-08-24T16:47:22 < karlp> my experiences with cmake so far haven't encouraged me to bother trying.
2017-08-24T16:47:39 < karlp> I can probably share with you a scons file for libopencm3 based projects though?
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2017-08-24T16:49:59 < fest> I'm interested in cmake primarily because it can generate the compile commands file for youcompleteme (i.e. autocomplete engine knows what include dirs/compiler flags/defines are used for each source/file)
2017-08-24T16:50:18 < fest> and out-of-tree builds being the second reason
2017-08-24T16:52:07 < karlp> well. if you're using libopencm3... you're really just doing any build environment you like, with a -l flag for the library, and a -D flag for the family.
2017-08-24T16:52:23 < karlp> so just "like any other" cmake build?
2017-08-24T16:53:38 < fest> yeah, I guess that's going to be the easiest way- compile libopencm3 with make and then just link against the lib in cmake build
2017-08-24T16:54:09 < karlp> well duh.
2017-08-24T16:54:11 < karlp> it's a library.
2017-08-24T16:54:18 < karlp> it has it's own build infrastructure.
2017-08-24T16:54:33 < karlp> you don't normally try and recompile third party libraries using your build tool in any otherproject do you?
2017-08-24T16:55:22 < fest> well, I do compile the ST's HAL with cmake, but that doesn't count
2017-08-24T16:55:32 < karlp> theat's not a library
2017-08-24T16:55:40 < karlp> that's a pile of source you're meant to include in your own structure
2017-08-24T16:56:04 < fest> mhm
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2017-08-24T17:36:53 < Thorn> you can do out of tree builds with normal make
2017-08-24T17:38:58 < karlp> not when you've decided you're using cmake :)
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2017-08-24T17:44:23 < karlp> one more time upgrdman__!
2017-08-24T17:44:27 < karlp> grow that tail!
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2017-08-24T17:44:33 < upgrdman__> indeed
2017-08-24T17:44:39 < upgrdman__> fucking intermittent surface dock connector
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2017-08-24T17:45:27 < testing123> w
2017-08-24T17:45:34 < upgrdman> m
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2017-08-24T17:46:08 < tomeaton17> Sorry I was justing testing my bouncer buffer
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2017-08-24T18:09:09 < kakimir> hello
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2017-08-24T18:10:29 < Laurenceb> yay cubemx usb audio device demo works
2017-08-24T18:10:38 < Laurenceb> I can play audio via f4discovery
2017-08-24T18:10:41 < Laurenceb> wew
2017-08-24T18:10:42 < Laurenceb> The provided sample audio file (stored in internal flash memory) is extracted from:
2017-08-24T18:10:42 < Laurenceb>    - Title: artofgardens-instr
2017-08-24T18:10:42 < Laurenceb>    - Artist/Composer: Dan O'Connor
2017-08-24T18:10:42 < Laurenceb>    - Creative Commons license: Attribution 3.0 United States
2017-08-24T18:11:00 < Laurenceb> ST have a load of muzak as raw hex
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2017-08-24T18:17:22 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/900459882989600768
2017-08-24T18:17:27 < Laurenceb> epic b8
2017-08-24T18:28:06 < Thorn> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqf81U8RoU
2017-08-24T18:30:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxeVv7OUot0 musictimes. this time lounge musics
2017-08-24T18:31:03 < kakimir> old good stuff something like 2003
2017-08-24T18:31:32 < kakimir> french
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2017-08-24T18:42:25 < karlp> no, it's time for banging fuzz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoLwgsx7hWA
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2017-08-24T18:52:19 < icee> karlp: nah, i eventually noticed a typo
2017-08-24T18:52:46 < icee> karlp: not really worth typing things out when it's not clear there was anyone who understood
2017-08-24T18:52:58 < icee> i'm building a dynamic extension system with position-independent libraries
2017-08-24T18:53:03 < karlp> what were meant to understand? you didn't say anything.
2017-08-24T18:53:15 < karlp> you just said, "I don't understand something, does anyone else?"
2017-08-24T18:54:03 < icee> karlp: yah, i understand it's annoying when people ask-to-ask on irc
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2017-08-24T18:54:40 < icee> it's also annoying to type out a 2-3 paragraph question, where someone else who knows what's up probably wants to interject a clarifying question or two, to silence
2017-08-24T18:55:14 < icee> and then have the person who knows what's up wake up 3 hours later when i've gone idle but i've not provided him with quite enough info
2017-08-24T18:55:27  * icee shrugs
2017-08-24T18:55:31 < icee> didn't work this time
2017-08-24T18:59:38 < karlp> you didn't type up the question at all though
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2017-08-24T20:16:22 < qyx> finally I found enclosure for the next project http://sk.farnell.com/takachi/awn9-9-13ess/heatsink-enclosure-aluminium-silver/dp/2431170
2017-08-24T20:16:32 < qyx> but ~80€ :/
2017-08-24T20:17:34 < englishman> karlp: lol just saw link
2017-08-24T20:17:47 < englishman> i think i saw that a few months ago when i was researching cap sensing humidity
2017-08-24T20:21:35 < icee> karlp: OK.  I'm working on building a dynamic extension system, where code has fake addresses to 'system calls' in an NX region; branching to them generates a memfault and in turn invoke an exception handler that reads the PC from the stack and rewrites it to a stub function that implements the call
2017-08-24T20:22:35 < icee> karlp: the thing i'm currently running into, is some of those things in the existing firmware i want to call have callbacks, but I need to fix up a register to point to the pseudo-data-segment in the position independent code (built with -msingle-pic-base -mno-pic-data-is-text-relative)
2017-08-24T20:23:18 < icee> karlp: but i can't really pass the pc to a generic stub function for rewriting.. this is multithreaded on an rtos
2017-08-24T20:23:51 < icee> are there any kind of good approaches to inject the parameter?  shifting down the exception stack to push something inbetween seems tricky
2017-08-24T20:24:13 < zyp> icee, wat
2017-08-24T20:24:19 < Thorn> svc?
2017-08-24T20:24:32 < zyp> icee, that sounds like a weird as fuck approach
2017-08-24T20:25:02 < Thorn> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dai0179b/ar01s02s07.html
2017-08-24T20:25:03 < zyp> icee, what does that approach give you vs. a plain function table with real addrs, or a svc handler?
2017-08-24T20:25:28 < icee> zyp: the extension can be just normal code
2017-08-24T20:26:08 < icee> also, i'm running with chibios so.. it already has its own svc handler etc
2017-08-24T20:26:09 < zyp> normal how? it still needs to interface with your fake addrs
2017-08-24T20:26:27 < icee> zyp: a linker script just declares the symbol addresses
2017-08-24T20:27:18 < zyp> yeah?
2017-08-24T20:27:42 < icee> so, the traditional approach would be to load and do relocations, but the extension code is in flash, so no go
2017-08-24T20:28:05 < icee> there's also the whole gto-traditional-approach, but i think it would be very RAM intensive and there's a couple cases that won't work right
2017-08-24T20:28:26 < icee> and with the gto approach, invoking the extension code (which is pic) still needs to set up the data segment base register
2017-08-24T20:28:34 < zyp> why not do the relocation while writing the flash? I've considering writing a shared object launcher that does just that
2017-08-24T20:28:36 < aandrew> icee: wow that sounds... odd
2017-08-24T20:28:46 < icee> so another thing one could do is build trampolines for callbacks
2017-08-24T20:28:55 < aandrew> what're you doing that you have to inject parameters at runtime through stack manipulation "in transit" ?
2017-08-24T20:29:41 < icee> aandrew: I have an exception-- invalid pc from function call--, i want to preserve existing parameters and pass the exception-pc to a non-exception function on return
2017-08-24T20:29:58 < zyp> anyway, even with symbols in the linker scripts, you still need header declarations to call them
2017-08-24T20:29:59 < aandrew> interesting
2017-08-24T20:30:07 < aandrew> I've never had to do things like that, you're way above my pay grade
2017-08-24T20:30:26 < icee> zyp: yah, so the existing headers from our normal firmware are used, and just a different linker script is used
2017-08-24T20:30:32 < aandrew> most I've done is a bit of a stack unwind to see the exact state at the crash in the debugger
2017-08-24T20:30:42 < icee> with the functions that are exposed to exceptions given addresses
2017-08-24T20:30:52 < zyp> oh, okay, so it's a sort of injection mechanism
2017-08-24T20:31:22 < zyp> rip out the default symbols and declare dummy symbols
2017-08-24T20:31:32 < icee> it's really just an odd shared library approach, yes
2017-08-24T20:31:45 < icee> can't use the real addresses because i have like 10 targets with different memory maps
2017-08-24T20:31:53 < icee> and i also want it to work across different firmware versions
2017-08-24T20:32:07 < icee> (i have a versioning mechanism when signatures change already, so that's not an issue)
2017-08-24T20:32:31 < zyp> it still sounds like more overhead than svc though
2017-08-24T20:32:37 < Thorn> you want binary compatibility between different MCU families?
2017-08-24T20:32:53 < Thorn> why.jpg
2017-08-24T20:33:04 < icee> Thorn: almost all are cortex m4, but for various reasons the flash memory layout is different between targets
2017-08-24T20:33:13 < Thorn> the compiler is not pay per invocation
2017-08-24T20:33:45 < icee> Thorn: so, basically, I'm maintainer of dronin, which has about 10 different targets with memory layouts, for various reasons (some historical, some still valid and practical)
2017-08-24T20:33:51 < Thorn> this sound more and more like an XY problem
2017-08-24T20:34:02 < icee> and i want people to be able to write code extensions for it without having to compile for every single target
2017-08-24T20:34:12 < icee> and to avoid having to manage lots of artifacts
2017-08-24T20:34:19 < icee> also i want extensions to keep working as i add new targets
2017-08-24T20:34:53 < Thorn> why not distribute extensions in source form
2017-08-24T20:35:04 < zyp> icee, so anyway, what you're doing is overwriting the stacked pc to point to your handler, and wondering what to do with the old value, right?
2017-08-24T20:35:10 < icee> zyp: yah, pretty much
2017-08-24T20:35:19 < icee> zyp: there's two approaches i've thought of
2017-08-24T20:35:50 < zyp> because you need the function to run in thread mode, not handler mode, right?
2017-08-24T20:36:22 < icee> dangerous one, is store the first argument and pc at the top of exception stack, and replace first arg with pointer to that
2017-08-24T20:36:31 < icee> zyp: well, i need it to run in whatever prior mode, which is likely thread mode
2017-08-24T20:36:48 < icee> but i could be invoking a callback from an interrupt handler which in turn faults
2017-08-24T20:37:20 < icee> that's what makes the dangerous one dangerous-- another interrupt or exception could intervene, i think
2017-08-24T20:37:28 < zyp> well, what I mean is that you need to go through EXC_RETURN before executing your function
2017-08-24T20:37:36 < zyp> need/want
2017-08-24T20:38:01 < icee> the less dangerous one i've thought of is to shift the exception stack down 4 bytes, injecting the old PC there where I EXC_RETURN to pops off
2017-08-24T20:38:30 < icee> but it's costly, and .. i've not looked at it in detail yet, but it's tricky and fairly machine dependent to figure out how many bytes of exc stack there are, even (and requires inspecting lr/EXC_RETURN)
2017-08-24T20:38:37 < zyp> yeah
2017-08-24T20:38:46 < zyp> especially if you're doing float
2017-08-24T20:39:00 < icee> which i am
2017-08-24T20:39:38 < zyp> again, it doesn't seem like a very worthwhile method :)
2017-08-24T20:40:13 < icee> i also thought ... i could disable interrupts, do the first approach, also storing the old primask
2017-08-24T20:40:59 < icee> then after return, copy that stuff down to the present place on stack and re-enable ints
2017-08-24T20:41:18 < zyp> hmm, say
2017-08-24T20:41:18 < upgrdman> other than node.js, whats the popular server-side-scripting language? php works but is so fucking awful.
2017-08-24T20:41:34 < zyp> can't you just stuff the old return value into one of the argument registers?
2017-08-24T20:41:39 < qyx> python
2017-08-24T20:41:42 < qyx> perl for sadomasochists
2017-08-24T20:41:51 < karlp> lua
2017-08-24T20:41:52 < upgrdman> python for sss?
2017-08-24T20:41:57 < qyx> yes
2017-08-24T20:42:01 < upgrdman> huh, TIL
2017-08-24T20:42:12 < icee> zyp: but then i obliterate an argument to the callback function
2017-08-24T20:42:13 < karlp> go
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2017-08-24T20:42:25 < Thorn> java (spring). c# (asp.net), ruby (on rails)
2017-08-24T20:42:39 < zyp> icee, not if that argument slot is unused
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2017-08-24T20:42:53 < qyx> upgrdman: and I am sure that forth too
2017-08-24T20:43:01 < upgrdman> lol
2017-08-24T20:43:14 < zyp> icee, is r12 reserved for something in the ABI? I don't recall
2017-08-24T20:43:19 < Thorn> java and c# are not "scripting" of course
2017-08-24T20:43:28 < Thorn> those are for large systems
2017-08-24T20:44:25 < icee> zyp: i think i have the approach i'll use.  i'll put R0, PC and old PSR on the stack.  I'll replace R0 with the address of that stack loc
2017-08-24T20:44:41 < icee> i'll rewrite the exc return PSR to disable interrupts and I'll rewtite the PC to my stub
2017-08-24T20:45:06 < icee> which in turn will dereference old R0, old PC, old PSR; "put back" R0, and put PC / PSR on stack
2017-08-24T20:45:46 < zyp> why disable interrupts?
2017-08-24T20:46:57 < icee> zyp: because if an interrupt comes after exc_return it could obliterate my R0, PC, and old PSR value that I put over the "present top of stack"
2017-08-24T20:47:46 < icee> sorry, put PC on stack, and then put back R0 and PSR
2017-08-24T20:48:02 < icee> this is like 20-40 cycles, not the end of the world
2017-08-24T20:49:03 < zyp> how about you just grab old lr from stack, push it, stick your stub function into the lr slot and return
2017-08-24T20:49:34 < zyp> lr slot is now in the pc position, so you now execute your stub with all regs one slot off
2017-08-24T20:49:48 < zyp> hmm, naah
2017-08-24T20:50:10 < zyp> that'll fuck up totally once you have fpu state stacked as well
2017-08-24T20:50:17 < zyp> as well as fuck up the stack alignment
2017-08-24T20:50:23 < icee> you know... actually, if i'm disabling interrupts
2017-08-24T20:50:31 < icee> i can just put this stuff in a static data location and not fuck around with the stack
2017-08-24T20:50:53 < zyp> you still need to return from your call somehow
2017-08-24T20:51:03 < icee> yah, i just leave LR alone
2017-08-24T20:51:27 < icee> there's no magic for that, that just works
2017-08-24T20:51:52 < icee> the forward direction of this is up and running and fairly minimal, it's just registering callbacks that is hairy
2017-08-24T20:51:56 < zyp> so in that sense, the real challenge you're facing is that you want the function executed in the original state, from handler state
2017-08-24T20:52:21 < zyp> seriously, fuck that shit and use jump tables
2017-08-24T20:52:46 < zyp> one extra pointer deref on a function call is going to be tons of times faster than all this mess
2017-08-24T20:52:57 < Thorn> T-60 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/08/24/falcon-9-formosat-5-mission-status-center/
2017-08-24T20:53:05 < icee> zyp: it's not so easy though, because the locations aren't static
2017-08-24T20:53:15 < zyp> what locations?
2017-08-24T20:54:38 < icee> zyp: unfortunately, my code resides in different locations in flash on different targets.  and where the data segment goes for extensions is variable too
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2017-08-24T20:55:25 < zyp> and your module is PIC, so it's binary compatible across hardware, yes?
2017-08-24T20:55:48 < icee> zyp: yes, but if my module wants to call hello() in the main code
2017-08-24T20:55:51 < icee> how's it find it?
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2017-08-24T20:56:31 < qyx> dependency injection for example?
2017-08-24T20:56:36 < zyp> say
2017-08-24T20:56:49 < zyp> is ram also in different locations?
2017-08-24T20:57:08 < zyp> can your modules have stuff in .data/.bss at all?
2017-08-24T20:57:26 < icee> zyp: yah, they have stuff in .data/.bss, because i give them a data segment base register at all times they're running
2017-08-24T20:57:48 < zyp> right
2017-08-24T20:58:00 < icee> but if main code wants to call extension code-- because extension code registered a callback-- that register needs to get fixed up by some mechanism.
2017-08-24T20:58:14 < zyp> just give it a jump table base register too
2017-08-24T20:58:22 < icee> the forward direction is zero problem
2017-08-24T20:58:26 < icee> that already works.
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2017-08-24T20:58:48 < icee> but for callbacks, there's two approaches available IMO:
2017-08-24T20:58:55 < icee> 1) do something like we're discussing
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2017-08-24T20:59:20 < icee> 2) construct a trampoline on RAM-- searching to make sure that an identical trampoline hasn't been constructed-- at callback reg time
2017-08-24T20:59:27 < zyp> hang on, please clarify: is the problem about main code calling into extension, or extension calling into main code?
2017-08-24T20:59:43 < icee> zyp: extension calling into main code works already
2017-08-24T20:59:53 < icee> https://gist.github.com/mlyle/26ea1d485b370b10026435f708765811
2017-08-24T21:00:00 < icee> it's the switch statement in memmanage_handler
2017-08-24T21:00:15 < icee> it's the opposite direction-- when the extension wants to provide a function pointer to main code
2017-08-24T21:00:20 < Thorn> #define DRIVER_HANDLE 0xabcde; Driver* driver = (Driver*)registry_get(DRIVER_HANDLE) /*svc call*/; driver->whatever();
2017-08-24T21:00:27 < icee> and r10 needs to be interjected
2017-08-24T21:00:41 < Thorn> #define MY_DRIVER_HANDLE 0xbcda; registry_register(MY_DRIVER_HANDLE, my_driver);
2017-08-24T21:00:55 < icee> Thorn: do you know how data segment handling works for position independent code?
2017-08-24T21:00:59 < Thorn> many OSes have that in some way or another
2017-08-24T21:01:40 < icee> Thorn: the issue is, without some magic happening inbetween calling into the PIC extension code, the extension won't be able to see its data segment/bss
2017-08-24T21:02:12 < Thorn> I don't understand why you don't want to link your extensions into the firmware using the normal linker supplied with your dev tools
2017-08-24T21:02:18 < Thorn> are they supposed to be loadable at runtime?
2017-08-24T21:02:22 < icee> Thorn: yes
2017-08-24T21:02:43 < zyp> icee, why not just set r10 explicitly before calling the callback?
2017-08-24T21:03:23 < icee> zyp: so i have a function in existing firmware, say it's call_me_back_in_100ms(fptr, ctx);
2017-08-24T21:03:51 < icee> later, some other thread in existing firmware wants to call into my extension passing ctx
2017-08-24T21:03:57 < icee> but my extension expects r10 to be set properly.
2017-08-24T21:04:09 < icee> pointing to the base of its data-segment type stuff
2017-08-24T21:04:36 < zyp> yes
2017-08-24T21:05:08 < icee> main firmware needs to interpose and set this up somehow.  either with a trampoline on ram, or something like i'm doing
2017-08-24T21:05:22 < zyp> or what I'm suggesting: explicitly
2017-08-24T21:05:36 < Thorn> maybe a stupid question but I don't follow how you're going to tell the compiler that all static data is r10-based
2017-08-24T21:05:43 < zyp> Thorn, -fPIC
2017-08-24T21:05:46 < zyp> or similar
2017-08-24T21:06:01 < icee> Thorn:  -fpic \
2017-08-24T21:06:02 < icee> 	 -msingle-pic-base -mpic-register=r10 -mno-pic-data-is-text-relative
2017-08-24T21:06:21 < Thorn> interesting
2017-08-24T21:06:43 < icee> zyp: i don't understand.  are you suggesting i rewrite all of the dozens of existing callback functions in the existing firmware with inline assembly to do something with r10
2017-08-24T21:06:56 < icee> er, all of hte existing invoking-callback-functions
2017-08-24T21:07:30 < icee> Thorn: this is much less of a problem on real machines, because on real machines, you can set up memory so that the data segment is a fixed offset from the code
2017-08-24T21:07:39 < zyp> icee, basically, but I imagine a wrapper
2017-08-24T21:07:56 < Thorn> isn't that the root of the problem? you're trying to do 'real machine' stuff on a microcontroller
2017-08-24T21:07:58 < icee> zyp: a trampoline? a small function on ram for the callback that sets the proper r10 value and then branches ot it?
2017-08-24T21:08:45 < icee> Thorn: system programming is always a little hairy
2017-08-24T21:09:25 < zyp> icee, well, I imagined something like call_callback(func, ctx) { r10 = lookup_r10(func); return func(ctx); }
2017-08-24T21:10:23 < zyp> you could pass r10 value along with ctx as an argument, but I figure if the module count is low it's easier to just see which module the func addr falls within to pick the right r10 value
2017-08-24T21:10:41 < icee> zyp: so, basically, that gets into problems because.. either everyone / all existing code needs to be willing to store an additional interposing function pointer
2017-08-24T21:10:53 < icee> or you need to bundle it into a wrapping ctx pointer
2017-08-24T21:11:04 < icee> and if you're doing that.. might as well just allocate a trampoline and bundle it into the func ptr
2017-08-24T21:11:22 < zyp> r10 is fixed per module, right?
2017-08-24T21:11:40 < icee> zyp: yes, but any given bit of code in the main firmware mgiht be doing callbacks to multiple modules
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2017-08-24T21:11:53 < zyp> yes
2017-08-24T21:12:03 < zyp> but the func addr already tells you which module you're calling into
2017-08-24T21:12:11 < zyp> so you can just look up based on that
2017-08-24T21:12:32 < icee> zyp: ... yes, but... there's dozens of existing functions that call callbacks
2017-08-24T21:12:51 < zyp> dozens
2017-08-24T21:12:52 < icee> zyp: they either all need to be modified to call into this shimming thing and to look up every function pointer to see if it's in an extension
2017-08-24T21:13:00 < zyp> yep
2017-08-24T21:13:34 < icee> which i don't like, because it's a big tax on the existing firmware performance (while this is free and only extensions pay a tax)
2017-08-24T21:13:40 < icee> and it clutters everything up
2017-08-24T21:13:42 < zyp> anyway, trampolines seems cleaner
2017-08-24T21:14:02 < icee> yah, except you need to dynamically allocate the trampolines and make sure you never create a duplicate one
2017-08-24T21:14:10 < zyp> nah
2017-08-24T21:14:14 < zyp> just put it in .bss
2017-08-24T21:14:49 < icee> in .data?  or .fastcode or whatever
2017-08-24T21:14:53 < icee> in the extension?
2017-08-24T21:15:13 < icee> and then someone needs to rewrite them
2017-08-24T21:15:16 < zyp> yes, but you'll have to fill it in during runtime
2017-08-24T21:15:17 < icee> to have the actual r10 in there
2017-08-24T21:15:24 < zyp> correct
2017-08-24T21:15:54 < zyp> just do it every time you register it, rewriting it with same values doesn't hurt and there's no memory leak
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2017-08-24T21:17:24 < icee> zyp: the extension code then eneds something like a DECLARE_CALLBACK(funcname, (args, args, args)), and to not use funcname when registering
2017-08-24T21:17:42 < icee> and if this rule is broken it will break very subtly/strangely
2017-08-24T21:17:49 < zyp> correct
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2017-08-24T21:18:14 < icee> yah, i think i'm going to stick with what i was doing ;)
2017-08-24T21:21:29 < zyp> so anyway, the whole original problem is just the need to set r10 when calling into dynamic modules?
2017-08-24T21:22:39 < zyp> how about this approach: set NX on module, trap fault, write r10 in fault handler, unset NX, return
2017-08-24T21:23:30 < zyp> assuming nothing else writes r10 and all modules except the one associated with current r10 is NX, you should always have the correct r10 value set
2017-08-24T21:27:44 < icee> zyp: i can't set nx on module
2017-08-24T21:27:48 < icee> no MMU
2017-08-24T21:28:01 < icee> the regions that are NX are statically defined by STM
2017-08-24T21:28:26 < zyp> no MPU even?
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2017-08-24T21:39:31 < Thorn> stream is live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI
2017-08-24T21:42:58 < zyp> Thorn, thanks, watching
2017-08-24T21:43:39 < Thorn> barge landing today
2017-08-24T21:43:51 < zyp> yeah, the landings are always the fun part
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2017-08-24T21:49:48 < qyx> wat, is it normal?
2017-08-24T21:50:05 < qyx> too much steam or whatever
2017-08-24T21:50:16 < zyp> just venting shit, I guess
2017-08-24T21:59:47 < Rob235> damn, that went from 10k to 20k m/h fast
2017-08-24T22:00:32 < Rob235> wish there was telemetry readouts for stage 1
2017-08-24T22:01:03 < Rob235> oh there is
2017-08-24T22:02:08 < Rob235> lame
2017-08-24T22:02:12 < zyp> haha, same video glitch as the last landing I watched
2017-08-24T22:02:23 < Steffanx> Feed always lost at the end.. faked much.
2017-08-24T22:02:37 < qyx> fak
2017-08-24T22:03:08 < Rob235> we are all on the truman show
2017-08-24T22:04:25 < Rob235> was all that 'steam' in the beginning them filling the pressure feed system with helium?
2017-08-24T22:05:03 < Steffanx> Hiding the wires with that. You remember watching Thunderbirds right? Always looking for the wires...
2017-08-24T22:05:23 < Thorn> something cold released into humid air
2017-08-24T22:05:47 < Thorn> which was almost at dew point
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2017-08-24T22:09:37 < Steffanx> Hows the arm thing going Rob235?
2017-08-24T22:10:13 < Rob235> not bad, took a break the past few days for the road trip to watch the eclipse
2017-08-24T22:10:24 < Rob235> gotta get started up again
2017-08-24T22:11:57 < Steffanx> Did you also want all "ooh, aaah" and more yelling like that?
2017-08-24T22:12:00 < Steffanx> *went
2017-08-24T22:12:31 < Rob235> sure
2017-08-24T22:12:33 < Rob235> :P
2017-08-24T22:12:42 < Steffanx> I'll never talk to you again.
2017-08-24T22:13:38 < Rob235> haha who went ooh aah?
2017-08-24T22:14:28 < Rob235> wish I coulda got better pics but: https://imgur.com/a/q3UJ7
2017-08-24T22:16:41 < Rob235> gotta read for school, bbl
2017-08-24T22:22:38 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BYLkTG9lHd8/
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2017-08-24T22:40:26 < Steffanx> Your american friendds went all "ooh aah" Rob235
2017-08-24T22:41:22 < Rob235> not I
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2017-08-24T23:43:51 < kakimir> anyone know movies like madmax
2017-08-24T23:43:56 < kakimir> but not mad max
2017-08-24T23:44:01 < kakimir> ?
2017-08-24T23:46:26 < Fleck> :)
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2017-08-24T23:49:09 < Steffanx> Waterworld.
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2017-08-24T23:50:49 < Steffanx> For some reason that was my fav. movie as a kid.
2017-08-24T23:51:53 < ohsix> 28 days later?
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2017-08-24T23:52:26 < kakimir> good recommd but no Steffanx
2017-08-24T23:52:36 < kakimir> ohsix: not similar at all
2017-08-24T23:52:41 < ohsix> sez u
2017-08-24T23:53:05 < ohsix> if you think those are too dissimilar, what are you even referring to when you mention mad max? :p
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2017-08-24T23:53:41 < kakimir> 28 days later is a brit comedy
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2017-08-24T23:56:57 < kakimir> wait.. let me confirm that
2017-08-24T23:58:05 < kakimir> anyway zombie outbreak movie
2017-08-24T23:59:13 < kakimir> I thougth 28days later was that movie with that funny guy that finds zombies a bit of nuisance
2017-08-24T23:59:35 < ohsix> zyp: you can get ld to do the relocations for you, for a thing you just jam into flash
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2017-08-25T00:00:16 < zyp> ohsix, don't tell me
2017-08-25T00:00:51 < ohsix> it does make more sense to have a loader tho, since it will know where symbols are in-situ
2017-08-25T00:02:47 < ohsix> interesting discussion
2017-08-25T00:03:26 < ohsix> zyp: hehe
2017-08-25T00:04:08 < ohsix> given how complicated it is to do, it makes me wonder why you would bother letting them put native code on there in the first place, is it to avoid them having the rest of the code? they can read it out from the extension
2017-08-25T00:04:26 < ohsix> you may as well just have some tiny scripting language in there so you can do cool stuff
2017-08-25T00:04:26 < englishman> Waterworld = awesome
2017-08-25T00:05:56 < ohsix> love when a website shows 'learn more at x', or 'see x for more details' and it goes to a page full of nothing text about the brand and other shit
2017-08-25T00:06:09 < ohsix> they almost never go to technical or historical information, the shit you want to know
2017-08-25T00:07:30 < ohsix> dronin is open source and i kind of get the weird code loading thing, nobody builds this stuff; there are build servers and you pass flags and shit to get a build from the web, sort of like with micropython
2017-08-25T00:08:47 < ohsix> the people that do build it themselves start forking it ;]
2017-08-25T00:09:43 < Laurenceb_> til that audiophile stm32f4discovery based soundcards are a thing
2017-08-25T00:10:26 < vampi-the-frog> Laurenceb_: link?
2017-08-25T00:10:28 < ohsix> the natrual follow up is 'why' but i already know there's no reason
2017-08-25T00:10:37 < ohsix> someone put it in a case and got someone else to say it was great
2017-08-25T00:10:56 < ohsix> is it competing with that audio mcu thing that's discontinued now? xmos or whatever
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2017-08-25T00:11:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tjaekel.com/DiscoveryUSB/index.html
2017-08-25T00:11:23 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tjaekel.com/T-DAC/pictures/Disco_RPi-DAC_1.jpg
2017-08-25T00:11:40 < Laurenceb_>  > powering it via st-link
2017-08-25T00:11:42 < Laurenceb_> fail
2017-08-25T00:11:55 < ohsix> that looks pretty mild
2017-08-25T00:12:03 < ohsix> what makes it an audiophile thing
2017-08-25T00:12:55 < ohsix> i think i've even seen that before
2017-08-25T00:12:56 < Laurenceb_> just trollin
2017-08-25T00:13:00 < ohsix> word
2017-08-25T00:13:04 < Laurenceb_> yeah I've just cloned it
2017-08-25T00:13:06 < Laurenceb_> seems to work
2017-08-25T00:13:18 < Laurenceb_> now I "just" have to reverse it
2017-08-25T00:13:23 < Laurenceb_> so its streams audio back
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2017-08-25T00:21:14 < Laurenceb_> I'm a bit confused by this project
2017-08-25T00:21:23 < Laurenceb_> doesnt seem to be using cube for the usb
2017-08-25T00:21:50 < ohsix> isn' the usb audio thing a sample from the discovery support code?
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2017-08-25T00:25:40 < Laurenceb_> I think they might have grabbed F2 code
2017-08-25T00:25:50 < Steffanx> What kakimir ? Waterworld = madmax on water
2017-08-25T00:26:09 < Steffanx> Its best recommendation one can give
2017-08-25T00:26:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah I unironically though waterworld was good
2017-08-25T00:26:56 < ohsix> .
2017-08-25T00:27:06 < ohsix> i TOO agree you should watch waterworld
2017-08-25T00:27:21 < Laurenceb_> also, jarsquatter
2017-08-25T00:27:30 < ohsix> this whole conversation reminds me when an ircop on efnet asked a friend for anime suggestions and he said urotsukidoji was family friendly, and she did show it to her family
2017-08-25T00:27:56 < kakimir> Steffanx: it lacks... dyst0pic landscapes
2017-08-25T00:27:59 < Laurenceb_> >efnet
2017-08-25T00:28:08 < Laurenceb_> thats like the 8chan of irc
2017-08-25T00:28:24 < kakimir> and I have seen it
2017-08-25T00:28:56  * Laurenceb_ discovered 8chan/newbrit/ today
2017-08-25T00:29:26 < Laurenceb_> its a containment board of a containment board of a containment board of a containment board
2017-08-25T00:31:00 < ohsix> surprisingly few nazi's on efnet
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2017-08-25T00:31:12 < ohsix> so much that the pejorative was a joke and not an accusation
2017-08-25T00:31:53 < ohsix> hrmph
2017-08-25T00:32:24 < ohsix> libvirt on fedora got an update today for the zfs backend, and it pulled in zfs-fuse
2017-08-25T00:32:25 < ohsix> smelly
2017-08-25T00:36:20 < karlp> hrm, keyboard seems to be creating extra t's today.
2017-08-25T00:36:22 < karlp> very odd
2017-08-25T00:36:33 < kakimir> Steffanx: do you relate to the movie based on fact you live bellow MSL?
2017-08-25T00:36:40 < ohsix> HEHE
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2017-08-25T00:37:33 < englishman> nice
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2017-08-25T00:40:24 < Laurenceb_> static uint8_t USBD_SetupStage(USB_OTG_CORE_HANDLE *pdev);
2017-08-25T00:40:29 < Laurenceb_> is that a cube function?
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2017-08-25T00:46:38 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: maybe both, but i think stdperiph
2017-08-25T00:46:51 < ohsix> those early discovery boards all supported stdperiph and a lot of people still just use that
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2017-08-25T01:15:18 < icee> zyp: OK, i was able to fudge all callbacks to happen through procedure linkage table, so one cheap trampoline construction at load time.
2017-08-25T01:15:38 < icee> no extra glue code.
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2017-08-25T01:23:28 < ohsix> gj using the plt for the plt hehehehehheheheh
2017-08-25T01:23:39 < ohsix> soon you'll have invented elf 2.0
2017-08-25T01:28:53 < icee> ohsix: nah, it's not really working at all like it does on a modern system.
2017-08-25T01:29:13 < icee> ohsix: but good job on the mockery
2017-08-25T01:29:31 < ohsix> heh
2017-08-25T01:29:37 < ohsix> the linker and loader dont' care
2017-08-25T01:29:43 < ohsix> but that's what the plt is for
2017-08-25T01:29:53 < icee> oh really? it's normal to construct a trampoline for each entry in the plt?
2017-08-25T01:30:14 < ohsix> you're making trampolines of trampolines?
2017-08-25T01:30:43 < icee> the plt is a trampoline? ;)
2017-08-25T01:35:23 < ohsix> yes? are we being ironic or something
2017-08-25T01:35:33 < ohsix> how did you come to use the plt without knowing what it is hehe
2017-08-25T01:35:49 < icee> ohsix: if we're not like in 1995 or whatever, it's generally just a table of addresses in the got
2017-08-25T01:36:30 < icee> Contents of section .got:
2017-08-25T01:36:36 < icee>  10000000 1c000010 20000010 39000000
2017-08-25T01:36:51 < icee> first PLT entry is '39000000' ... doesn't really look like an instruction or trampoline to me
2017-08-25T01:36:59 < icee> but rather the program offset to the callback
2017-08-25T01:37:20 < ohsix> what does the program do when you enter the plt for a symbol
2017-08-25T01:37:24 < ohsix> slash loader
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2017-08-25T01:38:01 < icee> loader in my case just needs to adjust to allocated data-segment relative addresses for all those 0x10000000 ... and add program base address to the others.
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2017-08-25T01:38:36 < ohsix> then you could just do it with ld
2017-08-25T01:39:07 < ohsix> if you can resolve the symbols to an address before the program runs, it's just an academic exercise to not do so
2017-08-25T01:39:30 < icee> yah, except i'm writing an extension system for like 10 different targets with different memory maps
2017-08-25T01:39:41 < ohsix> that doesn't matter heh
2017-08-25T01:39:55 < icee> also making them version-insensitive, so, addresses one way may change and the other direction aren't known in advance
2017-08-25T01:40:06 < icee> ok ;)
2017-08-25T01:40:10 < ohsix> you know enough about the host program that you don't carry a symbol table and handle relocations on the device
2017-08-25T01:40:18 < ohsix> you're just wasting memory
2017-08-25T01:40:33 < icee> ohsix: i don't know where in memory my code will be, or my data segment
2017-08-25T01:40:38 < ohsix> you could patch relocations before they're written to flash when you get them off the wire
2017-08-25T01:40:43 < ohsix> :|
2017-08-25T01:40:47 < ohsix> that doesn't matter
2017-08-25T01:40:48 < icee> and there's no fixed relative address relationship between text and data
2017-08-25T01:40:55 < ohsix> only the symbols you externally reference matter
2017-08-25T01:40:59 < icee> OK, so my code has int i=47;
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2017-08-25T01:41:18 < icee> my_entry() { while (1) {  i+=5; dosomething_with(i); } }
2017-08-25T01:41:29 < icee> where is i? how do i find it and access it? :P
2017-08-25T01:41:34 < ohsix> that has nothing to do with looking up symbols
2017-08-25T01:41:53 < icee> what do you mean by "looking up symbols" exactly?  it has to do with looking up relocations stored in got
2017-08-25T01:42:16 < ohsix> symbols, functions
2017-08-25T01:42:28 < ohsix> we're mixing different phases of loading in this discussion
2017-08-25T01:42:45 < ohsix> you'll need to use relocations to fix up any reference to i to point to where your bss is
2017-08-25T01:42:57 < icee> int i=47 is on bss?
2017-08-25T01:43:20 < ohsix> it's in whatever the section is named for initialized data
2017-08-25T01:43:29 < icee> that's typically called .data
2017-08-25T01:43:29 < ohsix> there's another one for things presumed to be initialized to zero but have storage
2017-08-25T01:43:35 < icee> that's one is typically called .bss
2017-08-25T01:43:44 < ohsix> right
2017-08-25T01:44:22 < icee> ohsix: so, at loading, i need to go through the GOT and add offsets based on wherever i allocate the data segment, and copy the data segment from flash to ram?  (and zero the remaining segment afterwards which is bss?)
2017-08-25T01:44:45 < icee> then when i want to pass a function pointer from the dynamically-loaded code to the other code, how does that work? ;)
2017-08-25T01:45:37 < icee> i think it has something to do with gotplt, but it requires interposing some code to set the address of the GOT into a register
2017-08-25T01:45:40 < icee> ;)
2017-08-25T01:45:46 < icee> so then by that point, we're to where i was
2017-08-25T01:45:55  * icee shrugs
2017-08-25T01:46:18 < icee> bigger systems handle this with a MMU and known offsetting between text and data segments, getting rid of all the indirection
2017-08-25T01:46:22 < icee> but i don't have the luxury of an MMU
2017-08-25T01:46:29 < icee> but thanks for your (stupid) feedback
2017-08-25T01:48:06 < ohsix> ehh
2017-08-25T01:48:11 < ohsix> no they don't
2017-08-25T01:48:21 < ohsix> 'bigger systems' handle this by having relocations
2017-08-25T01:48:33 < icee>        -mpic-data-is-text-relative
2017-08-25T01:48:34 < icee>            Assume that each data segments are relative to text segment at load
2017-08-25T01:48:34 < icee>            time.  Therefore, it permits addressing data using PC-relative
2017-08-25T01:48:34 < icee>            operations.  This option is on by default for targets other than VxWorks
2017-08-25T01:48:36 < icee>            RTP.
2017-08-25T01:48:38 < ohsix> the entire point of pic is to be able to rebase a segment at will and put it anywhere
2017-08-25T01:49:28 < icee> i'm forced to do -mno-pic-data-is-text-relative which comes with this set of complexity
2017-08-25T01:50:01 < ohsix> why are you forced to do that
2017-08-25T01:50:16 < icee> because the offset between data and text is not known at compile time
2017-08-25T01:50:24 < icee> text will end up at (an unknown) location in flash based on the target
2017-08-25T01:50:27 < ohsix> it doesn't need to be
2017-08-25T01:50:44 < icee> data will end up at (an unknown) location in ram based on what other extensions have run and what memory has been allocated so far on the target
2017-08-25T01:50:56 < ohsix> no, your startup code can put data wherever you want
2017-08-25T01:50:57 < icee> (unknown) - (unknown) == unknown :P
2017-08-25T01:51:22 < icee> ohsix: no, i'm constrained by existing target memory maps, and I'm also constrained by the need to dynamically allocate memroy for unknown combinations of extensions
2017-08-25T01:51:36 < ohsix> :| no you aren't
2017-08-25T01:51:53 < icee> we run on 10 different flight controllers, each of which put the actual firmware, and the flash sectors that i use for extensions, at different places
2017-08-25T01:52:18 < icee> and i don't know until runtime what set of extensions a users is going to load, so barring saving a fixed amount of memory for each extension i don't know where their ram will end up
2017-08-25T01:52:39 < ohsix> that doesn't matter, you either have it when you generate the binary for the main code, or you have it when you are acting as a loader on the device and deciding which extension gets which ram & flash
2017-08-25T01:53:15 < icee> ohsix: sure, but -mpic-data-is-text-relative requires a known relation between text and data segment location at compile time
2017-08-25T01:53:21 < ohsix> so don't use it
2017-08-25T01:53:21 < icee> and i only know it when i'm working as a loader
2017-08-25T01:53:30 < ohsix> process the relocations
2017-08-25T01:53:40 < icee> 18:56 < icee> i'm forced to do -mno-pic-data-is-text-relative which comes with this
2017-08-25T01:53:43 < icee>               set of complexity
2017-08-25T01:53:43 < icee> i was answering your question
2017-08-25T01:53:45 < ohsix> you aren't
2017-08-25T01:53:46 < icee> 18:56 < ohsix> why are you forced to do that
2017-08-25T01:54:19 < ohsix> you also have the optino of defining the abi for the extensions and makign it so there are few or no relocations
2017-08-25T01:54:58 < icee> ohsix: so, can you explain that?
2017-08-25T01:55:18 < icee> i have 5 extensions, each is 32768 bytes long, and a 64k flash sector to put them in
2017-08-25T01:55:24 < icee> a user can load any combination of 2
2017-08-25T01:56:20 < icee> each of them uses varying amounts of data segment ram, too
2017-08-25T01:56:30 < icee> and i don't want to use any ram for unloaded extensions
2017-08-25T01:57:20 < icee> ohsix: it also leaves out that the distance between text and data on cortex m4 precludes relative addressing for this stuff, anyways :P
2017-08-25T01:58:45 < ohsix> at which stage are you deciding if an extension can 'fit' or what a set of them comprises, is it a piece of software that talks to the device? or are you just using xmodem or something to send the extension tothe micro and it has to do everything
2017-08-25T01:59:17 < icee> ohsix: pretty much the latter.  they're a header + code and concatenated into a sector on flash
2017-08-25T01:59:20 < ohsix> you can use ld to link the host to all the extensions before you even flash it
2017-08-25T01:59:41 < icee> ohsix: so, 10 targets, 5 extensions, users get any combination of 2 they want (it's actually going to be more flexible than that)
2017-08-25T01:59:45 < icee> how many artifacts do i need to make?
2017-08-25T01:59:54 < ohsix> if you want to do the latter why aren't you just using elf and everything it has to support rebasing/relocating programs, and startup code to copy bss/data
2017-08-25T02:00:15 < ohsix> the extensions can add their own .init section hooks
2017-08-25T02:00:32 < icee> you suggest i use elf at runtime on cortex m4?
2017-08-25T02:00:36 < ohsix> ld can be told to fail if the objects you're linking together do not fit in the given sections
2017-08-25T02:00:42 < icee> i think my entire ram budget would go to the elf interpreter
2017-08-25T02:00:57 < ohsix> at load time, but if you want to not waste a shitload of ram in fragmentation, you need to keep the headers around to compact/relocate them again
2017-08-25T02:01:12 < ohsix> the ram is gone no matter how you approach doign it entirely on the micro
2017-08-25T02:02:03 < icee> hm, so far small extensions are 100 bytes and the ram footprint for trivial ones with one fucntion callback is 40ish bytes
2017-08-25T02:02:13 < Laurenceb_> hmm ok
2017-08-25T02:02:14 < icee> elf is a little bigger ;)
2017-08-25T02:02:17 < Laurenceb_> this is quite nice
2017-08-25T02:02:31 < ohsix> it's nto
2017-08-25T02:02:49 < ohsix> you don't have to support all relocation types or anything
2017-08-25T02:02:54 < ohsix> and only a little bit of the c startup code
2017-08-25T02:03:03 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/KwNBNL9n
2017-08-25T02:03:16 < icee> ohsix: even if i did that, i would -still- need to build those trampolines
2017-08-25T02:03:19 < icee> so it's orthogonal to the problem
2017-08-25T02:03:25 < Laurenceb_> anyone know how much of this I need for the microphone data function?
2017-08-25T02:03:42 < Laurenceb_> odd and even frame stuff?
2017-08-25T02:03:43 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: did you expect it to be more complicated or something?
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2017-08-25T02:04:01 < ohsix> icee: you define the abi, you can only have one
2017-08-25T02:04:01 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: I thought it looked different from my cubemx code
2017-08-25T02:04:24 < icee> ohsix: the code has to be pic, because it's in flash and cannot be relocated in place.  the code can't use relative instructions to find its GOT, because A) the offset is too big, and B) the offset is not known.
2017-08-25T02:04:24 < Laurenceb_> I tried cubemx and got something that mounted as audio device running in about 5 seconds
2017-08-25T02:04:39 < Laurenceb_> but how to actually handle the data is not so well documented...
2017-08-25T02:04:40 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: is that for the channel layout/pcm format?
2017-08-25T02:04:45 < icee> this means any code that invokes it has to ensure that the GOT is in r9
2017-08-25T02:04:51 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: I don't know
2017-08-25T02:05:06 < icee> this means when there's a callback other code has to be interposed at call and return time
2017-08-25T02:05:07 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: I think that forwards packed data
2017-08-25T02:05:14 < Laurenceb_> it comes in as 16 bit samples
2017-08-25T02:05:23 < icee> it's a pretty simple set of constraints
2017-08-25T02:05:28 < icee> but it's a little too complicated for you :P
2017-08-25T02:05:45 < Laurenceb_> lines 23 to 27 confuse me
2017-08-25T02:07:10 < Laurenceb_> do I need DCD_EP_Tx  for the microphone data?
2017-08-25T02:07:36 < Laurenceb_> atm the audiophile code just has a blank microphone handler
2017-08-25T02:07:37 < Laurenceb_> static uint8_t  usbd_audio_DataIn (void *pdev, uint8_t epnum)
2017-08-25T02:07:37 < Laurenceb_> {
2017-08-25T02:07:37 < Laurenceb_>   return USBD_OK;
2017-08-25T02:07:37 < Laurenceb_> }
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2017-08-25T02:14:41 < ohsix> Laurenceb__: my guess, since other people are wtf'ing about it even existing
2017-08-25T02:14:51 < ohsix> is like, a way to inform their usb ip that the buffers they're using have changed
2017-08-25T02:15:01 < ohsix> 0,1,0,1 lock step pattern
2017-08-25T02:16:30 < ohsix> it's the kind of shit that should be in the usb spec if it was required but nobody is acting like it was
2017-08-25T02:17:38 < ohsix> sounds like it could be a way to detect if you are dropping packets by not doing stuff fast enough to keep up with the usb ip
2017-08-25T02:18:24 < ohsix> nxp talks about the first kind of use specifically This bit is maintained within the USB-FS SIE. It corresponds to the buffer that is
2017-08-25T02:18:25 < ohsix> currently in use. The buffers are used in a ping-pong fashion.
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2017-08-25T02:26:14 < ohsix> supgrdman
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2017-08-25T02:27:58 < upgrdman> ohsix, hi
2017-08-25T02:32:31 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIBmBpdU0AAmtbp.jpg
2017-08-25T02:32:42 < ohsix> i was annoyed but this one go tme all in
2017-08-25T02:38:14 < Laurenceb__> ok
2017-08-25T02:38:37 < Laurenceb__> 2morrow I'll try writing some tx code with sine wave buffer or something lame
2017-08-25T02:39:50 < ohsix> ru kidding it'll bee great
2017-08-25T02:40:03 < ohsix> i need to do that kind of shit on like a million different things
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2017-08-25T02:51:01 < ohsix> heh @ opening old idbs
2017-08-25T02:51:33 < ohsix> for like 2 weeks i was like 'omg i'm gonna get back into this shit and do that thing i've been meaning to do' and i've already done it
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2017-08-25T02:55:43 < kakimir> jesus I found my humour
2017-08-25T02:56:07 < kakimir> Comedian called "Eric Andre"
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2017-08-25T02:59:52 < ohsix> hit this ranch
2017-08-25T03:00:07 < ohsix> bird up
2017-08-25T03:00:28 < ohsix> hrm
2017-08-25T03:00:47 < ohsix> how are you supposed to do segments in ida when the flash/ram are at the same addresses but on different busses
2017-08-25T03:05:36 < upgrdman> lol china  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/young-chinese-are-too-fat-and-masturbate-too-much-to-pass-army-fitness-tests-a3617881.html
2017-08-25T03:06:59 < upgrdman> "A poor diet and frequent masturbation, leading to abnormally large testicular veins, are believed to be behind falling fitness levels, according to a report published in state-run military newspaper the People’s Liberation Army Daily."
2017-08-25T03:07:46 < upgrdman> "The report claimed 8 per cent of male candidates suffered from enlarged testicular veins. “This is related to sitting too long on computer games, excessive masturbation and too little physical activity,” it said."
2017-08-25T03:07:54 < kakimir> testicular veins
2017-08-25T03:08:04 < upgrdman> yes
2017-08-25T03:09:51 < ohsix> i can see it happening from sitting
2017-08-25T03:09:57 < ohsix> but masturbation?
2017-08-25T03:10:13 < kakimir> sure
2017-08-25T03:10:35 < ohsix> what basis do they even have for any correlation with anything related to testicular veins
2017-08-25T03:10:44 < ohsix> that's like, phrenology shit
2017-08-25T03:11:56 < kakimir> need more blood
2017-08-25T03:12:27 < kakimir> like your muscles when muscles need more blood veins enlarge and get pumped
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2017-08-25T03:13:20 < ohsix> that would be a positive correlation with enlarged testicular veins, the way it was stated means that's bad
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2017-08-25T03:20:30 < englishman> lol 06 chased out icee
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2017-08-25T04:49:40 < englishman> hi curt
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2017-08-25T05:07:09 < englishman> still in hobotown
2017-08-25T05:07:25 < englishman> smelling like the sweaty piss mattress that someone left outside the front door
2017-08-25T05:19:22 < englishman> wow fuck cypress for real
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2017-08-25T05:39:33 < Thorn> why have posix in a quadcopter https://github.com/d-ronin/dRonin/tree/next/flight/PiOS/posix
2017-08-25T05:54:20 < Thorn> oh looks like it's a "HAL" to run the firmware in a posix OS for testing rather than a posix implementation for internal use
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2017-08-25T06:59:15 < englishman> hmm artik has half the ram of edison
2017-08-25T06:59:42 < englishman> 5 anyway
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2017-08-25T07:11:57 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/steval-3dp001v1.html anyone dick with this?
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2017-08-25T07:13:06 < ohsix> Thorn: so you can run it as a program on loonix
2017-08-25T07:13:39 < ohsix> englishman: cypress tell you to fuck off on the bug?
2017-08-25T07:17:38 < Thorn> ohsix: zyp did
2017-08-25T07:17:51 < Thorn> a few months ago
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2017-08-25T08:04:45 < englishman> good idea there
2017-08-25T08:12:57 < englishman> none 3:
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2017-08-25T08:17:00 < Thorn> is this worth buying https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MG995-13KG-Metal-Gear-High-Torque-Servo-for-HPI-XL-Helicopter-Car-Boat/32318972434.html
2017-08-25T08:17:33 < Thorn> not for actual RC shit, just to play with
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2017-08-25T08:22:15 < englishman> Thorn: you can probably get better ones for cheaper
2017-08-25T08:23:19 < Thorn> how do I know which ones are better
2017-08-25T08:23:58 < englishman> if the picture is better
2017-08-25T08:24:27 < Thorn> ok
2017-08-25T08:24:31 < englishman> oh 55g servo
2017-08-25T08:24:36 < englishman> yeah decent price
2017-08-25T08:25:10 < englishman> better pic https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MG996R-Servo-Metal-Gear-large-Torque-15kg-0-13sec-55g-for-Car-RC-Model-Helicopter-antenna/32810405398.html
2017-08-25T08:25:38 < englishman> crt: http://i.imgur.com/TDB4kcw.jpg
2017-08-25T08:47:48 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E
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2017-08-25T09:12:23 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJFvtvTGEk
2017-08-25T09:20:03 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/St1wyfD.jpg
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2017-08-25T09:50:13 < Steffanx> Is the tea ready crt?
2017-08-25T09:50:41 < Steffanx> English blend?
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2017-08-25T10:13:15 < Steffanx> Crt, it sucks
2017-08-25T10:13:16 < Steffanx> Tin
2017-08-25T10:15:32 < Steffanx> Crted
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2017-08-25T10:25:34 < ohsix> up to 1mhz eh?
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2017-08-25T14:37:12 < stvn> pwn
2017-08-25T14:37:14 < stvn> 3r
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2017-08-25T14:42:20 < stvn> stfn
2017-08-25T14:45:08 < ReadErr> u sure u okay?
2017-08-25T14:48:19 < stvn> we
2017-08-25T14:48:23 < stvn> ewwh/?
2017-08-25T14:49:23 < hexo> catwalk?
2017-08-25T14:50:40 < stvn> mew
2017-08-25T14:54:53 < stvn> eh?
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2017-08-25T14:58:17 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2017-08-25T14:58:25 < Laurenceb> audiophool project wont compile with gcc
2017-08-25T14:58:33 < stvn> hi
2017-08-25T14:58:36 < Laurenceb> src/main.c:78:2: error: incompatible type for argument 2 of 'USBD_Init'
2017-08-25T14:58:37 < Laurenceb>   USBD_Init(    UnsignedLongInteger,
2017-08-25T14:58:48 < Laurenceb> 	USBD_Init(    UnsignedLongInteger,
2017-08-25T14:58:48 < Laurenceb> 				  &USB_OTG_dev,
2017-08-25T14:58:54 < Laurenceb> literally wut
2017-08-25T14:59:13 < Laurenceb> expected 'USB_OTG_CORE_ID_TypeDef' but argument is of type 'struct USB_OTG_CORE_HANDLE *'
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2017-08-25T15:01:08 < karlp> if not dc then error("something happened and there was an error, happy bug hunting") end
2017-08-25T15:01:17 < karlp> great. awesome context there.
2017-08-25T15:01:32 < karlp> Laurenceb: lurn2code
2017-08-25T15:01:38 < stvn> it's all in gobbledygook
2017-08-25T15:01:47 < stvn> where do learn2code
2017-08-25T15:01:49 < stvn> pls
2017-08-25T15:02:02 < Laurenceb> arg wut
2017-08-25T15:02:08 < Laurenceb> fucking audiophools
2017-08-25T15:02:25 < Laurenceb> he has rewritten the core function and left the names unchanged
2017-08-25T15:02:30 < Laurenceb> whyyyyy
2017-08-25T15:02:55 < Laurenceb> now I have to edit the makefile to select the right source files
2017-08-25T15:03:14 < Laurenceb>  /usb/usbd_core.c:void USBD_Init(int mode
2017-08-25T15:03:31 < Laurenceb>  STM32_USB_Device_Library/Core/src/usbd_core.c:void USBD_Init(USB_OTG_CORE_HANDLE *pdev
2017-08-25T15:03:35 < Laurenceb> whyyy
2017-08-25T15:03:41 < Laurenceb> fucking troll
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2017-08-25T15:05:11 < stvn> makefile?
2017-08-25T15:05:17 < stvn> where do i find that in keil
2017-08-25T15:10:26 < Steffanx> Next to the teapot mate
2017-08-25T15:10:37 < stvn> hi sir
2017-08-25T15:10:45 < Steffanx> Welcome
2017-08-25T15:11:31 < stvn> have room?
2017-08-25T15:11:45 < tpw_rules> does the stm32l0 have a mingle instruction
2017-08-25T15:12:49 < zyp> no, it only has mangle instructions
2017-08-25T15:13:04 < tpw_rules> heck
2017-08-25T15:21:07 < Laurenceb> hmf this is still failing
2017-08-25T15:21:19 < Laurenceb> usb_bsp.c:88:3: error: unknown type name 'GPIO_InitTypeDef'
2017-08-25T15:21:19 < Laurenceb>    GPIO_InitTypeDef GPIO_InitStructure;
2017-08-25T15:21:36 < zyp> include the fucking gpio header
2017-08-25T15:21:42 < Laurenceb> but there is "#include "stm32f4xx_conf.h" at the top
2017-08-25T15:21:47 < Laurenceb> which includes everything
2017-08-25T15:21:53 < zyp> obviously not
2017-08-25T15:22:33 < Steffanx> Doesnt have it this macro/define "USE_HAL" or something?
2017-08-25T15:22:55 < stvn> cocker
2017-08-25T15:23:15 < Steffanx> Sleep is what you need
2017-08-25T15:23:29 < stvn> hi dad
2017-08-25T15:23:33 < Laurenceb> theres no HAL define stuff
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2017-08-25T15:23:39 < stvn> food is what i need
2017-08-25T15:23:44 < Laurenceb> wtf is going on
2017-08-25T15:24:16 < Laurenceb> -I Libraries/STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Driver/inc -I inc
2017-08-25T15:24:27 < Laurenceb> in the makefile should let it find the headers right?
2017-08-25T15:25:16 < Steffanx> It probably finds it. Otherwise it would also fail the unclude
2017-08-25T15:25:20 < Steffanx> Include
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2017-08-25T15:25:30 < Steffanx> *error on
2017-08-25T15:29:19 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-25T15:29:31 < stvn> go to bed
2017-08-25T15:29:56 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/8aZ8vZw
2017-08-25T15:30:03 < Laurenceb> lurn horseshoe theory
2017-08-25T15:30:58 < stvn> where do i get illegal warez
2017-08-25T15:31:02 < stvn> i need a book you fucking prick
2017-08-25T15:31:54 < Steffanx> Stop distracting yourself and get this shit done Laurenceb
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2017-08-25T15:32:55 < stvn> fuck
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2017-08-25T15:33:07 < stvn> hi dongs
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2017-08-25T15:40:36 < ReadErr> i will pray for you
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2017-08-25T15:44:18 < stvn> ty
2017-08-25T15:44:45 < stvn> are you prepared to die for irc
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2017-08-25T15:47:54 < Laurenceb> include dirs in a makefile, are they for headers or for source as well?
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2017-08-25T15:50:03 < stvn> Laurenceb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQq9okyekJ4
2017-08-25T15:50:15 < karlp> Laurenceb: you're not understanding things
2017-08-25T15:50:20 < karlp> makefiles don't have include dirs.
2017-08-25T15:50:36 < karlp> you can pass arguments to gcc that tell it where it should look for includes.
2017-08-25T15:50:51 < karlp> you can use makefiles to try and construct those arguments.
2017-08-25T15:51:30 < karlp> and no, you normally have to actually _list_ your source files.  because you tell the compiler explicitly to compile _this_ file.
2017-08-25T15:51:49 < karlp> then you give it some -I flags to say "also look here in addition to the system locations for includes"
2017-08-25T15:52:14 < Laurenceb> ok
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2017-08-25T15:56:17 < Laurenceb> hmm ok this makefile template seems a bit screwed
2017-08-25T15:56:20 < Laurenceb> possibly the issue
2017-08-25T15:57:15 < Steffanx> Right makefile for the user :P
2017-08-25T16:13:20 < Laurenceb> nope no luck :(
2017-08-25T16:14:19 < Laurenceb> #pragma message tiem
2017-08-25T16:14:24 < englishman> morning stm32 pros
2017-08-25T16:16:35 < Laurenceb> ok so the error is in the makefile somewhere
2017-08-25T16:16:37 < Laurenceb> #include "stm32f4xx.h"
2017-08-25T16:16:45 < Laurenceb> fails to include anything
2017-08-25T16:18:26 < Laurenceb> -I Libraries/CMSIS/ST/STM32F4xx/Include
2017-08-25T16:18:32 < Laurenceb> but thats where it lives
2017-08-25T16:19:19 < karlp> nice monologue dude.
2017-08-25T16:19:27 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-08-25T16:19:32 < Laurenceb> monologue of epin fail
2017-08-25T16:19:39 < karlp> do you actually give that -I pamareter to all your gcc alls?
2017-08-25T16:19:45 < karlp> calls.
2017-08-25T16:20:06 < karlp> is that path actually correct relative to where you are? or just to where you think you are?
2017-08-25T16:20:14 < karlp> (are you making in some subdirectory or src/ or anything dumb?)
2017-08-25T16:21:23 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe the error is somewhere else, just a sec I'll pastebin
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2017-08-25T16:22:13 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/1Ep4yE4D
2017-08-25T16:24:02 < Laurenceb> ok it needed the _conf.h header too
2017-08-25T16:24:08 < Laurenceb> dunno why this compiled for them
2017-08-25T16:25:36 < karlp> didn't you say you'd already include the _conf file yourself anyway?
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2017-08-25T16:27:58 < Laurenceb> no I havent made any other edits to the source
2017-08-25T16:28:10 < Laurenceb> error: 'DAC_Channel_1' undeclared
2017-08-25T16:28:20 < Laurenceb> grep -r "DAC_CHANNEL_1" ./
2017-08-25T16:28:23 < Laurenceb> nothing there
2017-08-25T16:28:31 < Laurenceb> audiofool confirmed
2017-08-25T16:39:42 < englishman> how to combine node.js, machine learning, and audiophoolery to make a winning dickstarter
2017-08-25T16:39:58 < englishman> cloud based music improvement service?
2017-08-25T16:40:04 < englishman> submit .mp3, get .mp4 back
2017-08-25T16:40:06 < karlp> lurn to case sensitive numnuts
2017-08-25T16:40:08 < englishman> the number is higher
2017-08-25T16:40:32 < englishman> lunix problems
2017-08-25T16:41:08 < englishman> is there a case insensitive lunix distro
2017-08-25T16:41:58 < englishman> https://www.evilsocket.net/2017/08/25/Mini-Post-Hacking-a-Herb-Vaporizer-using-GNU-Linux-and-BLE-raw-commands/#.WZ-OTkpcUXB.reddit
2017-08-25T16:42:08 < englishman> https://www.evilsocket.net/2017/08/25/Mini-Post-Hacking-a-Herb-Vaporizer-using-GNU-Linux-and-BLE-raw-commands/
2017-08-25T16:42:38 < englishman> linux is a hacker OS
2017-08-25T16:43:24 < englishman> your bong is insecure
2017-08-25T16:48:57 < Laurenceb> nice it compiles
2017-08-25T16:49:05 < Laurenceb> to 8 byte binary, so compact
2017-08-25T16:52:22 < karlp> englishman: C identifiers are still case sensitive...
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2017-08-25T16:59:41 < Laurenceb> prob faster to start from scratch lol
2017-08-25T17:00:01 < Laurenceb> Libraries/CMSIS/ST/STM32F4xx/Source/Templates/arm/startup_stm32f4xx.s:421: Error: bad instruction `align'
2017-08-25T17:01:45 < Laurenceb> its using the .s rather than the .o as the startup file?
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2017-08-25T17:03:33 < karlp> .s compiles to .o. just like anything else.
2017-08-25T17:03:54 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-08-25T17:03:59 < karlp> you can't use arm asm files with gcc, look in a different directory
2017-08-25T17:04:05 < karlp> or work out how to change the syntax
2017-08-25T17:04:19 < karlp> this is all shit you should surely have done before.
2017-08-25T17:04:40 < Laurenceb> yeah but its been a while
2017-08-25T17:04:52 < Laurenceb> I usually have a .o startup file hanging around
2017-08-25T17:05:04 < Laurenceb> but this IAR project is all weird
2017-08-25T17:05:14 < Laurenceb> trying to port to gcc
2017-08-25T17:07:23 < karlp> you're insane.
2017-08-25T17:07:32 < karlp> why doyou keep a .o startup file around?
2017-08-25T17:08:24 < Laurenceb> wait no I dont
2017-08-25T17:08:26 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-25T17:08:35 < Laurenceb> yeah its using some TrueSTUDIO shit reeee
2017-08-25T17:08:49 < Laurenceb> should have deleted the whole project and copypastered the code
2017-08-25T17:14:34 < tomeaton17> I am having a really weird problem guys. I setup a simple echo program using USART1. However, characters are being dropped, here is a screenshot of the behaviour http://i.imgur.com/7r4mOfW.png top is what I sent bottom is received. I tried on USART2 and found the same behaviour, and it doesnt really work above 9600 baud which makes me think my USB to USART breakout is faulty. Here is my code
2017-08-25T17:14:36 < tomeaton17> https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/875fda9af8dd1fe41c3e22161da66502 what are your thoughts?
2017-08-25T17:15:44 < tpw_rules> okay so what does port output speed mean
2017-08-25T17:16:44 < tpw_rules> like it just says i can change the speed between four frequencies but so what
2017-08-25T17:17:07 < tpw_rules> does it only change slew rate?
2017-08-25T17:17:20 < tpw_rules> does it use more current in high speed?
2017-08-25T17:17:45 < Laurenceb> hah found it
2017-08-25T17:17:59 < Laurenceb> >load the xml project file shit into matlab
2017-08-25T17:18:13 < Laurenceb> >find all the weird shit they configured to make it actually compile
2017-08-25T17:21:55 < Thorn> tpw_rules: there are some hints in the datasheet. look at performance tables too
2017-08-25T17:22:31 < tpw_rules> all the datasheet says is lower frequency gets you a slower slew rate, which makes sense
2017-08-25T17:22:37 < tpw_rules> i'm not sure why i wouldn't pick the fastest one all the time
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2017-08-25T17:30:31 < Thorn> tomeaton17: you should probably call HAL_UART_Receive_IT() at the start (after initializing the uart) and in the HAL_UART_RxCpltCallback after handling received data
2017-08-25T17:30:59 < Thorn> anyway why not make it work without interrupts first, it would be easier
2017-08-25T17:33:03 < Thorn> or better yet learn how to use uart without HAL, it's the easiest peripheral to use after gpio
2017-08-25T17:33:26 < tomeaton17> That doesn't fix it. I am quite invested in this I want it work haha
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2017-08-25T17:38:45 < Thorn> I don't get that UartReady flag
2017-08-25T17:38:50 < karlp> tpw_rules: emi noise is one of them.
2017-08-25T17:40:29 < tomeaton17> Thorn: Its because otherwise there will be no data to send and it will be messed up
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2017-08-25T17:45:56 < Laurenceb> hmm ok so project compiles, but its 6k rather than 14 (for IAR project) and doesnt work
2017-08-25T17:46:03 < Laurenceb> something is being optimised away
2017-08-25T17:48:35 < Laurenceb> disasm the IAR binary and compare vector tables?
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2017-08-25T17:54:30 < karlp> Laurenceb: do what you should have done.
2017-08-25T17:54:36 < karlp> use your known build infrastructure.
2017-08-25T17:54:46 < karlp> copy the relevant portions of their code
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2017-08-25T18:03:32 < karlp> wow, segger really bringing out the big cool modern things http://www.eedesignnewseurope.com/news/embedded-ftp-server-simple-data-exchange-free-pc-tool?news_id=97481
2017-08-25T18:04:32 < aandrew> heh
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2017-08-25T18:12:07 < englishman> lop
2017-08-25T18:12:09 < englishman> lol
2017-08-25T18:13:20 < tpw_rules> anybody done semihosting with systemworkbench
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2017-08-25T18:18:39 < tpw_rules> oh wait it's just suffering from severe brain damag
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2017-08-25T18:50:13 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/Jvjse4sC
2017-08-25T18:50:37 < Laurenceb> this is bad right
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2017-08-25T19:36:26 < Laurenceb> usb 1-1.6: Product: STM32 AUDIO Streaming in FS Mode
2017-08-25T19:36:31 < Laurenceb> freaking finally
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2017-08-25T19:47:53 < Thorn> is this legit https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-10pcs-lots-BMP280-LGA-New-original-IC-In-stock/32797515773.html
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2017-08-25T20:18:51 < Laurenceb> nice, now speaker-test has broken
2017-08-25T20:19:03 < Laurenceb> wont stop sending shit to my discovery board
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2017-08-25T20:33:47 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/SpSzyVh
2017-08-25T20:34:59 < Steffanx> i love you Laurenceb
2017-08-25T20:35:19 < upgrdman_> no homo
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2017-08-25T20:35:39 < Steffanx> Pure homo.
2017-08-25T20:35:41  * emeb is not clicking on that.
2017-08-25T20:35:59 < Steffanx> its nothing special emeb, just some random Laurenceb crap without context
2017-08-25T20:36:11 < Steffanx> More like not worth clicking
2017-08-25T20:36:24 < Laurenceb> parody of bbc news webshite
2017-08-25T20:43:42 < Steffanx> Hows house buidling going Laurenceb?
2017-08-25T20:43:52 < Laurenceb> slowly coming along
2017-08-25T20:43:55 < Steffanx> *renovation
2017-08-25T20:44:34 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/7AHvjm2
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2017-08-25T20:50:21 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/yse68AQ.jpg
2017-08-25T21:01:47 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BYONrIEFtMp/
2017-08-25T21:02:26 < Thorn> F030: only 1K guaranteed flash write cycles, F072: 10K?
2017-08-25T21:02:46 < Thorn> also iirc some stm8 had only 100 cycles
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2017-08-25T21:11:13 < Steffanx> damnit, dont do a laurencenb Thorn. I expected your instagram link to be relevant :P
2017-08-25T21:12:36 < Thorn> this is internet. cats are always relevant
2017-08-25T21:22:31 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/aBGVLPv8
2017-08-25T21:22:49 < Laurenceb> whats the input terminal?
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2017-08-25T21:49:09 < zyp> read the audio class spec
2017-08-25T21:57:15 < Laurenceb> looks like its actually for a line output
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2017-08-25T22:19:09 < Laurenceb>  usb 1-1.6: invalid descriptor for config index 0: type = 0x2, length = 0
2017-08-25T22:19:13 < Laurenceb> looks like i broke it
2017-08-25T22:19:33 < Laurenceb> any way to narrow the search for where the descriptor is broken?
2017-08-25T22:19:57 < zyp> read the fucking line you pasted
2017-08-25T22:19:59 < zyp> length = 0
2017-08-25T22:20:27 < Thorn> #define DESCRIPTOR_CONFIGURATION  2
2017-08-25T22:20:47 < Thorn> config descriptor is kaputt
2017-08-25T22:21:47 < Steffanx> ist*
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2017-08-25T22:28:13 < Laurenceb> ok i see
2017-08-25T22:28:14 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/wuag57ZA
2017-08-25T22:28:22 < Laurenceb> now it seems to be missing its endpoints
2017-08-25T22:36:18 < Laurenceb> wow
2017-08-25T22:36:37 < Laurenceb> nasty st codez is hardcoded to config indices
2017-08-25T22:36:52 < Laurenceb> it overwrites its own config during enumeration
2017-08-25T22:37:03 < Laurenceb> I think
2017-08-25T22:37:04 < Laurenceb> usb 1-1.6: 0:1 : does not exist
2017-08-25T22:40:08 < Laurenceb> *shrug* I'll fix it next week, looks fixable anyways
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2017-08-25T22:47:22 < upgrdman> what kind of gas?
2017-08-25T22:47:25 < upgrdman> ass gas?
2017-08-25T22:56:36 < Thorn> why is there max II in a lift controller https://youtu.be/vWJgH-z5zjQ?t=8m53s
2017-08-25T22:58:44 < zyp> Thorn, cpld?
2017-08-25T22:58:54 < zyp> yeah, jtag port even says cpld
2017-08-25T22:59:11 < zyp> probably because it's cheap and simplifies the design
2017-08-25T23:00:55 < Thorn> I hope CPU1 is a cortex
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2017-08-25T23:09:44 < upgrdman> anyone familiar with the discrete wavelet transform?
2017-08-25T23:10:42 < upgrdman> im making spectrograms (waterfall charts) with fourier transforms now. tempted to try wavelets. they sound amazeballs, but ~nobody uses them for this, so i must be missing something?
2017-08-25T23:13:20 < Thorn> is there short time wavelet transform
2017-08-25T23:13:36 < BrainDam1> because a wavelet is not a sine, the information is not the same
2017-08-25T23:13:56 < Steffanx> its a f105 Thorn, but what are they doing? Installing it? Testing it.. or just looking at it?
2017-08-25T23:14:49 < Steffanx> oh replacing stuff as the title says :P
2017-08-25T23:15:00 < Thorn> commissioning new lift after replacement
2017-08-25T23:15:18 < Steffanx> At 17.00 you can see it's a stm32f105rcsomething
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2017-08-25T23:20:08 < Steffanx> http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt2091256/ movie for Laurenceb.
2017-08-25T23:21:00 < BrainDam1> upgrdman: i'm on a phone atm, typing is pain, get a voice chat and i can explain you
2017-08-25T23:21:15 < BrainDam1> i'm super bored anyway atm
2017-08-25T23:21:28 < upgrdman> BrainDam1, im at work atm, cant voice chat :( maybe in a few hours tho if you want
2017-08-25T23:22:30 < upgrdman> unrelated: open an old win10 vm... "Installing Updates" ... fucking windows.
2017-08-25T23:23:21 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/2Lampkx9cmQ?t=9m20s ERic Andre
2017-08-25T23:23:58 < Steffanx> Worse imho: Set your pc in standby/sleep, go home, come back to work, wake up PC and you see it rebooted ebcause fucking update
2017-08-25T23:24:22 < Steffanx> and it force-closed everything
2017-08-25T23:24:40 < upgrdman> oh yes i get that too
2017-08-25T23:25:15 < Thorn> no door signals from 2nd floor
2017-08-25T23:25:29 < upgrdman> but i get bonus points because when my pc reboots the bluetooth audio connection resets and my speakers play a LOUD chime when the bt re-pairs... at like 3am when im sleeping
2017-08-25T23:25:40 < Steffanx> hah
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2017-08-25T23:43:10 < upgrdman> shell script pros: im using read -p "foo" to show text to the user. is there an easy way to make that text inverted (like black text on a white background instread of the opposite) so it sounds out?
2017-08-25T23:46:30 < upgrdman> o nm, found this: http://misc.flogisoft.com/bash/tip_colors_and_formatting
2017-08-25T23:46:41 < upgrdman> FUCK YES i can <blink> in bash too!
2017-08-25T23:46:59 < Thorn> you can even beep
2017-08-25T23:47:24 < Steffanx> Better connect the good old piezo beeper to your motherboard.
2017-08-25T23:49:02 < Steffanx> You can alos move around to the cursor and draw draw fancy art upgrdman
2017-08-25T23:49:04 < Steffanx> -draw
2017-08-25T23:49:14 < upgrdman> good idea
2017-08-25T23:49:25 < upgrdman> better draws lots of ASCII art penises
2017-08-25T23:50:02 < Steffanx> lol, somehow you always get to they. You also seem to find stuff like that a lot on imgur :P
2017-08-25T23:50:05 < Steffanx> *that
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2017-08-25T23:51:29 < Steffanx> Laurenceb, did you go into rage mode and attacked police officers with a knife outside Buckingham Palace?
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2017-08-26T00:06:19 < Thorn> Steffanx: btw this is what they replaced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYVTJhV1YYk
2017-08-26T00:21:31 < Steffanx> Hah, looks like good old soviet russian engineering.
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2017-08-26T00:38:53 < kakimir> any movies for me?
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2017-08-26T00:42:45 < Steffanx> Genre kakimir ?
2017-08-26T00:43:21 < Steffanx> try waterworld
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2017-08-26T01:01:30 < kakimir> I remember too much of it Steffanx
2017-08-26T01:06:09 < BrainDam1> https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0110678/
2017-08-26T01:06:39 < BrainDam1> ancient, shitty scifi, in wild island, but no chase
2017-08-26T01:07:06 < BrainDam1> and roving bands of assholes
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2017-08-26T01:33:24 < englishman> Thorn: probably yea bmp280 is cheap
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2017-08-26T01:37:22 < englishman> what kind of job doesn't let you speak when at work
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2017-08-26T01:54:45 < kakimir> clock is past movietime
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2017-08-26T02:26:14 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/0jogh3wuwvhz.jpg
2017-08-26T02:28:32 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, http://i.imgur.com/nWjKB6o.png
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2017-08-26T03:10:04 < Laurenceb__> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01/11/masturbating-at-work_n_14106174.html
2017-08-26T03:10:06 < Laurenceb__> >  Mark Sergeant, a senior lecturer in psychology at Nottingham Trent University
2017-08-26T03:10:15 < Laurenceb__> I have to go there next week :-S
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2017-08-26T03:15:52 < kakimir> related to this.. issue
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2017-08-26T03:17:10 < Laurenceb__> luckily no
2017-08-26T03:17:25 < Laurenceb__> I shall avoid the toilets and the psychology dept
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2017-08-26T04:57:18 < Thorn> englishman: ok thanks
2017-08-26T04:57:28 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/416a75f4ce/40041.jpg
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2017-08-26T05:44:42 < Thorn> so you can't use stm32 discovery to program stm8?
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2017-08-26T06:21:38 < englishman> Thorn: heh maybe you can if you find the swim pin
2017-08-26T06:24:24 < Thorn> oh so it's not broken out
2017-08-26T06:24:34 < Thorn> anyway found a $1.77 st-link
2017-08-26T06:25:55 < englishman> perfect
2017-08-26T06:26:05 < englishman> readout firmware and compare it to legit stdink
2017-08-26T06:26:06 < englishman> lol
2017-08-26T06:46:51 < Thorn> I hope the official st-link tool won't kill it with a firmware upgrade
2017-08-26T07:19:25 < englishman> curt
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2017-08-26T07:24:56 < Thorn> >Microprocessor data realize the communication with TM1637 by means of two–wire bus interface (Note: The communication method is not equal to 12C bus protocol totally because there is no slave address).
2017-08-26T07:43:08 < Thorn> lift controller pr0n https://youtu.be/IWi7VfCG3-g?t=9m25s
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2017-08-26T08:08:10 < englishman> The @AMDRyzen #Threadripper 1950X managing a #Linux kernel build in about 36 seconds, not bad!
2017-08-26T08:08:10 < englishman> lol
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2017-08-26T08:32:15 < ohsix> sup
2017-08-26T08:33:05 < ohsix> hehe computerphile has had brian kernigan on, they posted a video about C being important and what it is and shit, and he's not the one doing it
2017-08-26T08:35:31 < Thorn> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/47/8a/cf/478acf24ee1668c3c82017c491eae509.jpg
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2017-08-26T09:43:37 < ohsix> did upgrdman ever say what he was haxoring with the wavelets
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2017-08-26T10:40:05 < ohsix> heh, the geek group is featured in applied automation http://bt.e-ditionsbyfry.com/publication/?i=430287
2017-08-26T10:40:49 < ohsix> he's either hiding the gun with his arm, or they got him to take it off!
2017-08-26T10:43:38 < ohsix> https://haynes.com/en-gb/apollo-11-manual
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2017-08-26T11:04:21 < c4017> I thought he kept it in his sock
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2017-08-26T13:26:14 < ohsix> boobies
2017-08-26T13:32:54 < Steffanx> Your funny level is on par with Laurenceb, mr crt :P
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2017-08-26T13:58:50 < lomas> What is the AVR CTC like option in STM32 Timers ?
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2017-08-26T15:14:46 < Steffanx> what are you doing mr BrainDam1?
2017-08-26T15:16:17 < BrainDam1> my pc went in smoke and my wifi is rather shit, normally you never notice because i vpn to my bouncer, but my phone's vpn is being idiotic so you see everytime it drops
2017-08-26T15:17:58 < BrainDam1> on top of that i had a horrible week where i almost broke my wrist but i still have some muscle damage, fought with 2 of my company partners, and most of my friends are on vacation
2017-08-26T15:18:11 < BrainDam1> so i'm frustrated and bored
2017-08-26T15:37:06 < Steffanx> you have your own company?
2017-08-26T15:37:54 < Steffanx> Didnt you plan a canuck holiday?
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2017-08-26T16:14:22 < BrainDam1> i am starting one, one of those newfangled startups
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2017-08-26T16:14:49 < BrainDam1> and yes, i was in canuckistan, in the past weeks
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2017-08-26T16:56:20 < Steffanx> I wonder how many startups do not start with a fight, or where the owners do not have a fight soon after that started it.
2017-08-26T16:56:45 < Steffanx> I know this other guy who has total issues with the co-owner/sales guy.
2017-08-26T17:04:48 < BrainDam1> well, in my case the other 2 have fixed themselves into a retarded idea which is literally impossibgle to do and want to blow 5k out of our current 30k, when/if we get large investors in i'd have np, but like that is suicide
2017-08-26T17:05:16 < BrainDam1> but i think i managed to convince at least one
2017-08-26T17:05:45 < BrainDam1> they are just too enthusiastic about something unworkable
2017-08-26T17:15:14 < Steffanx> What kind of business, if i may ask BrainDam1?
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2017-08-26T17:56:13 < BrainDam1> wearable medical devices
2017-08-26T17:56:47 < BrainDam1> i can't go in detail until we submit the patent application
2017-08-26T17:57:21 < BrainDam1> so i can get loranceb rage at me how he'd do everything better
2017-08-26T17:59:01 < PaulFertser> Do patents still help honest engineers? I thought you need to have an army of lawers to benefit from them (if they do not eat all the won money, of course).
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2017-08-26T18:06:38 < jpa-> nah, you don't benefit from them, but it can help you not getting hurt by someone else patenting it also
2017-08-26T18:06:57 < jpa-> as prior art is pretty costly to establish in court without patents
2017-08-26T18:07:09 < jpa-> basically it is all just a system to get more money to lawyers
2017-08-26T18:07:23 < BrainDam1> what jpa said, also in our case it'd work as warranty for investors
2017-08-26T18:09:26 < BrainDam1> we need to stack 'value' as in garbage which loosely gives us merit so that investors are attracted and feel safe to bet their money on us
2017-08-26T18:11:21 < BrainDam1> on the plus side tough i get to play with stm again on a regular basis
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2017-08-26T18:14:33 < PaulFertser> jpa-: hm, I thought proving that your own patent actually voids someone else's is as hard (read "plenty of money for lawers") as with prior act..
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2017-08-26T18:17:28 < jpa-> PaulFertser: well, everything is hard once it ends up in court; but with a prior patent, it might be enough of a scare so that the other side doesn't sue
2017-08-26T18:18:27 < PaulFertser> Damn this world
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2017-08-26T18:30:53 < Steffanx> Why you end up everywhere jpa-? Looking through nrf examples and nanopb happens to be there.
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2017-08-26T18:38:10 < jpa-> Steffanx: i don't understand how nanopb ends up everywhere either
2017-08-26T18:38:32 < jpa-> considering for past 7 years i've tried to find somewhere where i could actually use it myself
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2017-08-26T18:54:55 < zyp> protobuf is fairly common, so it's not unreasonable that people are interested in a small footprint implementation
2017-08-26T18:56:25 < zyp> I've yet to use protobuf myself though, I tend to prefer json for high level stuff
2017-08-26T19:02:41 < englishman> protobufs are awesome, but nanopb is like whoaa where was this all my life
2017-08-26T19:05:28 < englishman> 6:42 AM <crt> Adi and linear merging
2017-08-26T19:05:36 < englishman> hmm did we go over this
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2017-08-26T19:18:39 < Steffanx> Oh, i thought it was some random crt talk. Didnt even get he actually meant LT englishman :D
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2017-08-26T19:21:28 < englishman> 30 minutes into lunix desktop and i'm already raging and nothing is getting done and shit is crashing
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2017-08-26T19:21:38 < englishman> how the fuck is this garbage software ever used anywhere
2017-08-26T19:22:57 < tpw_rules> you're clearly using the wrong distro
2017-08-26T19:23:10 < tpw_rules> and using/not using systemd
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2017-08-26T19:25:01 < Thorn> lunix is a server os
2017-08-26T19:25:30 < Thorn> you better forget that it has desktop
2017-08-26T19:25:44 < Thorn> if you want desktop unix, it's called macos
2017-08-26T19:25:44 < tpw_rules> i think you mean gtk is good
2017-08-26T19:25:53 < tpw_rules> macos is the best bsd
2017-08-26T19:26:20 < tpw_rules> systemd is the best lunix
2017-08-26T19:26:37 < Steffanx> My pc has hackintosh installed, but i've not touched it for months.
2017-08-26T19:26:43 < englishman> shift-del'd the vm image
2017-08-26T19:26:45 < englishman> fuck lunix
2017-08-26T19:26:52 < Steffanx> pebkac.
2017-08-26T19:26:58 < englishman> going to do this with windows tools
2017-08-26T19:27:17 < Steffanx> Yes, fucking around with mingw or cygwin is AWESOMECOOL
2017-08-26T19:27:50 < tpw_rules> linxu subsystem for windows
2017-08-26T19:27:53 < tpw_rules> has anybody actually tried htat
2017-08-26T19:27:57 < branjb> how shitty is fpga development on lunix
2017-08-26T19:28:17 < tpw_rules> quartus technically works on it i think
2017-08-26T19:28:21 < Thorn> it's not shitty at all, it's nonexistent
2017-08-26T19:28:24 < Steffanx> vivado too afaik
2017-08-26T19:29:21 < branjb> cool, so you have to run VMs of shit to make it work?
2017-08-26T19:29:39 < Steffanx> uhm, no?
2017-08-26T19:32:10 < Steffanx> unless you want to run lunix in a vm branjb.
2017-08-26T19:32:27 < Steffanx> just to run the awesome fpga tools from xilinx and/or altera
2017-08-26T19:33:20 < branjb> the top link for linux xilinx fpga tools is dated 2003
2017-08-26T19:33:25 < branjb> that seems like a bad sign
2017-08-26T19:38:08 < Steffanx> Better update your google to 2017 branjb
2017-08-26T19:41:01 < englishman> job's done on windows using proper windows tools with installers that worked the 1st time
2017-08-26T19:41:09 < englishman> i think i spend more time making lunix not work
2017-08-26T19:43:00 < branjb> once i worked at a place that i wasn't allowed to apt-get my own packages
2017-08-26T19:43:07 < branjb> had to download shit by hand
2017-08-26T19:43:55 < branjb> then build it myself
2017-08-26T19:44:03 < branjb> find out that i was missing a dependency
2017-08-26T19:44:07 < branjb> go download that by hand
2017-08-26T19:44:15 < branjb> try to build it, missing another dependency
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2017-08-26T19:45:07 < branjb> no trump, what is this an antifa channel now?
2017-08-26T19:46:04 < Steffanx> oh, that was when the elections where, it was nothing but trump
2017-08-26T19:46:05 < englishman> whats that
2017-08-26T19:46:10 < englishman> is that a type of yogurt
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2017-08-26T19:46:51 < englishman> yes americans are very self centered and talk about dear leader all the time
2017-08-26T19:46:53 < englishman> its really boring
2017-08-26T19:47:05 < branjb> not true
2017-08-26T19:47:12 < branjb> we talk about tradeu too
2017-08-26T19:47:23 <@Steffanx> same with those windows fetishists.
2017-08-26T19:47:50 < englishman> heil kittens
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2017-08-26T20:31:34 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, i also seem to find that for most of my usecases either plain C structs or json are better
2017-08-26T20:32:06 < zyp> plain C structs are usually faster for simple stuff, at least
2017-08-26T20:32:15 < jpa-> yeah, a lot faster
2017-08-26T20:32:27 < zyp> implementation wise, I mean
2017-08-26T20:32:43 < jpa-> and one less dependency never hurts
2017-08-26T20:33:14 < zyp> the advantage of protobuf seems to be when you need a protocol that can evolve and remain compatible
2017-08-26T20:35:24 < jpa-> yep
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2017-08-26T20:44:43 < Thorn> relay pr0n https://youtu.be/OrrQsMRVtko?t=18m47s
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2017-08-26T20:49:13 < Fahrradkette> hi guys
2017-08-26T20:51:57 < Fahrradkette> I recently got a stm32f4 discovery board (STM32F407G-DISC1) revision MB997D. I'd like to figure out what's the accerelometer chip, the only one I suspect to be one is labeled "8622 DSH 0BARQ"
2017-08-26T20:52:52 < Fahrradkette> according to the Datasheet, the sensor is called "LIS3DSH"
2017-08-26T20:53:09 < Fahrradkette> so yeah, I'm a bit confused :)
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2017-08-26T20:57:07 < upgrdman> Fahrradkette, google LIS3DSH
2017-08-26T20:58:15 < Fahrradkette> I already looked in the datasheet of the LIS3DSH but coudn't find out what's supposed to be printed on the physical chip
2017-08-26T20:58:30 < Fahrradkette> should I just assume it's the right one?
2017-08-26T20:58:37 < upgrdman> is a small chip. probably no text printed on it
2017-08-26T20:58:52 < upgrdman> look at the package shown in the datasheet, then look at the pcb.
2017-08-26T20:59:24 < upgrdman> also, do a google image search. there's prolly photos of it
2017-08-26T21:00:36 < Thorn> google LIS3DSH datasheet; ^F package marking
2017-08-26T21:02:56 <@Steffanx> and what if that's not there?
2017-08-26T21:03:35 < Thorn> panic
2017-08-26T21:03:58 < upgrdman> "suicide is always an option"
2017-08-26T21:04:28 <@Steffanx> but it must be that. "LIS302DL or LIS3DSH" and as the first one is more rectangular you can easily know which of the two it must be
2017-08-26T21:05:07 < Fahrradkette> package size (3x3x1mm) matches, it also has a dot for indicating the orientation...so i simply assume it's the right one...
2017-08-26T21:06:14 < Thorn> the dot is a highly specific feature
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2017-08-26T21:06:21 < upgrdman> if you want to be anal, just find the refdes on the schematic, then look at the pcb.
2017-08-26T21:07:58 <@Steffanx> but now you assume st did release the schematics of this revision
2017-08-26T21:08:09 < upgrdman> true
2017-08-26T21:13:13 < branjb> does job title matter, or just the actual experience from the job?  ie, a job doing the same thing with the title electrical engineer vs software engineer
2017-08-26T21:14:23 < englishman> Fahrradkette: the disco board user manual says the motion IC is U5. Later in the document the layout is shown. U5 is centered between the two buttons.
2017-08-26T21:16:22 < Fahrradkette> englishman: thank you very much for confirming the location.
2017-08-26T21:16:45 < englishman> no worries m8
2017-08-26T21:17:24 < englishman> welcome to the channel on freenode with officially the greatest number of swiss stm32 users
2017-08-26T21:18:15 < Fahrradkette> wow, didn't know that fact:)
2017-08-26T21:18:53 < Fahrradkette> tbh, for me it doesn't make any difference where people are from, we're all humans
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2017-08-26T21:20:18 < englishman> how fiercely neutral of you. Your neutrality is greatly appreciated.
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2017-08-26T21:22:37 < branjb> is R2COM a human?
2017-08-26T21:32:15 < vampi-the-frog> are you a human?
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2017-08-26T21:47:48 <@Steffanx> Really? Tectu is dead, where is the other swisser except for this bicycle chain guy.
2017-08-26T21:47:52 <@Steffanx> ?
2017-08-26T21:49:07 <@Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
2017-08-26T21:51:13 < englishman> hi steffy
2017-08-26T21:51:18 < englishman> stm32 party at my place monday
2017-08-26T21:51:24 < branjb> address>
2017-08-26T21:51:28 <@Steffanx> Sorry, have to work monday.
2017-08-26T21:51:37 < englishman> ah sorry to hear that
2017-08-26T21:51:56 < englishman> hopefully soon an immigrant will steal your job and you can have more time off
2017-08-26T21:52:18 < branjb> do immigrants know what stm32 is
2017-08-26T21:52:33 <@Steffanx> Does ##stm32 know?
2017-08-26T21:52:55 < branjb> something about swiss people
2017-08-26T21:53:40 <@Steffanx> ^^
2017-08-26T21:53:56 < branjb> R2COM did Joe try to deport you?
2017-08-26T21:54:27 < englishman> address: englishmans house, canada
2017-08-26T21:54:37 < englishman> if you get lost just ask anyone for directions
2017-08-26T21:54:38 < branjb> hmmm
2017-08-26T21:54:47 < branjb> are there syrian refugees in AZ?
2017-08-26T21:55:21 < branjb> wtf
2017-08-26T21:55:24 < branjb> well
2017-08-26T21:55:35 < branjb> when I was in tucson is had a huge resemblance to afghanistan
2017-08-26T21:55:53 < branjb> vegetation wise
2017-08-26T21:56:18 < branjb> is tucson liberal?
2017-08-26T22:00:20 <@Steffanx> monologue much.
2017-08-26T22:01:33 <@Steffanx> This is not america.
2017-08-26T22:01:42 < branjb> this is swissland
2017-08-26T22:01:47 < branjb> where we give your money to refugees
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2017-08-26T22:02:39 <@Steffanx> In this country we give money to stm32
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2017-08-26T22:09:45 < Fahrradkette> R2COM what do you think of James Damore?
2017-08-26T22:11:17 < Fahrradkette> ex google engineer
2017-08-26T22:12:02 < Fahrradkette> he wrote a manifesto about diversity and what's bad about it's execution
2017-08-26T22:12:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, you'd like him. he didnt like women in tech
2017-08-26T22:14:16 < PaulFertser> Not a manifesto, rather a proper "note" along with references to some scientific data.
2017-08-26T22:14:30 < Fahrradkette> he doesn't like affirmative action
2017-08-26T22:15:36 < PaulFertser> R2COM: tbh, I have no idea how to quantify the effects
2017-08-26T22:16:35 < PaulFertser> It doesn't affect me since I wasn't going to get one anyway. And I've heard they're going to resume pretty soon, in a week or tow.
2017-08-26T22:17:18 < upgrdman> R2COM, why do you harass brother fertser?
2017-08-26T22:17:30 < PaulFertser> Why would I want to go to the USA anyway, to rent a "real iron Harley" for 200 bucks a day?..
2017-08-26T22:18:27 < PaulFertser> You like harleys? I'm glad american propaganda succeded.
2017-08-26T22:18:47 < Fahrradkette> but freedom
2017-08-26T22:19:05 < Fahrradkette> at least the freedom of invading countries
2017-08-26T22:19:11 < PaulFertser> R2COM: we're talking about visiting as a tourist, not about getting H1B and such.
2017-08-26T22:19:22 < PaulFertser> Don't switch the topic.
2017-08-26T22:20:25 < PaulFertser> Will you bet on that?
2017-08-26T22:20:54 < PaulFertser> Say, 50 to 1?
2017-08-26T22:22:54 < PaulFertser> So, can you say something specific about the future, the odds and amount you agree to bet?
2017-08-26T22:23:34 < PaulFertser> I mean something within a year or two.
2017-08-26T22:24:30 < PaulFertser> Will you bet on something specific and distinctively measurable?
2017-08-26T22:26:08 < PaulFertser> Are you seriously that clueless regarding economics or are you just trolling?
2017-08-26T22:27:19 < Fahrradkette> guess it could be euros, too
2017-08-26T22:27:28 < Fahrradkette> or renmibi
2017-08-26T22:27:38 < PaulFertser> No, most money I spend on locally produced items.
2017-08-26T22:28:14 < Fahrradkette> potatoes?
2017-08-26T22:28:20 < Fahrradkette> tomatoes?
2017-08-26T22:28:43 < Fahrradkette> it all depends on the perspective
2017-08-26T22:28:54 < PaulFertser> Yes, food, electricity, petrol.
2017-08-26T22:29:24 < PaulFertser> I'm talking about what I spend money on.
2017-08-26T22:30:49 < PaulFertser> Also, producing petrol from oil is not a trivial process and you know that. Getting and transferring oil is not trivial either. So it's all kind of production.
2017-08-26T22:31:03 < PaulFertser> I have a 10-years old laptop
2017-08-26T22:31:03 < branjb> R2COM you watching the fight tonight?
2017-08-26T22:31:36 < Fahrradkette> "just"
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2017-08-26T22:31:57 < Fahrradkette> we swiss like to make business with russia, just saying
2017-08-26T22:32:47 < Fahrradkette> R2COM: so what? world trade is a good thing
2017-08-26T22:33:22 < Fahrradkette> I like my house beeing heated by russian gas while my brother's company sells machinery to russia
2017-08-26T22:34:39 < PaulFertser> R2COM: can you make a specific prognosis and bet money on that?
2017-08-26T22:35:18 < Fahrradkette> R2COM: that's sad, I agree. What's your proposal to not have such things happening in the future?
2017-08-26T22:35:22 < PaulFertser> R2COM: then stop using the future tense please.
2017-08-26T22:35:44 < PaulFertser> Do you think I'm happy with those crimes?
2017-08-26T22:35:51 < PaulFertser> Why are you arguing that with me anyway?
2017-08-26T22:36:15 < Steffanx> Why you trying to argue with him PaulFertser? ;)
2017-08-26T22:36:35 < PaulFertser> R2COM: being happy with smth is a kind of idiom, do not interpret it literally.
2017-08-26T22:36:47 < PaulFertser> R2COM: where am I pretending it's all good?
2017-08-26T22:38:11 < PaulFertser> R2COM: if you were reading what I have actually written, you'd see I'm not saying it doesn't affect me. And I'm not saying everything is ok. Stop arguing with voices in your head R2COM.
2017-08-26T22:38:47 < Fahrradkette> what hardware you're running on R2COM?
2017-08-26T22:39:03 < Fahrradkette> you're a pretty impressive Troll Bot
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2017-08-26T22:39:34 < Steffanx> Lol Fahrradkette, you are here for a few hours now and you already came to the proper conclusion.
2017-08-26T22:39:57 < Steffanx> Time to meet Laurenceb. Once you met him you are all settled.
2017-08-26T22:40:04 < Steffanx> oh and dongs.
2017-08-26T22:40:58 < PaulFertser> R2COM: are you saying "my" country is not producing anything at all (but what you call "ak-47")? Why does it sell something to the other countries then ever? Your claims doesn't seem to be based on any real economic data.
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2017-08-26T22:43:18 < PaulFertser> I think it's up to you to provide at least some substance to your claims first.
2017-08-26T22:44:07 < PaulFertser> This I do not argue with.
2017-08-26T22:44:42 < vampi-the-frog> STM32 microcontrollers
2017-08-26T22:45:14 < vampi-the-frog> I meant that's the topic of the channel
2017-08-26T22:45:27 < Fahrradkette> touche vampi-the-frog
2017-08-26T22:45:33 < upgrdman> the topic also sell "lunix only"
2017-08-26T22:45:38 < upgrdman> s/sell/says
2017-08-26T22:45:55 < vampi-the-frog> true, upgrdman
2017-08-26T22:46:25 < Fahrradkette> lunix?
2017-08-26T22:46:31 < upgrdman> linux
2017-08-26T22:46:34 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I do not understand why I should spend time on proving something to a person that's only making broad useless claims, and when asked to say something specific or to bet real money steps back.
2017-08-26T22:46:49 < Fahrradkette> what about freeRTOS?
2017-08-26T22:46:57 < branjb> is there a psoc channel?
2017-08-26T22:48:26 < upgrdman> is KREOSAN in .ru? they produce some funny content
2017-08-26T22:48:28 < vampi-the-frog> cracks and demos
2017-08-26T22:48:39 < Fahrradkette> don't forget tetris
2017-08-26T22:48:41 < vampi-the-frog> trippy cartoons
2017-08-26T22:48:43 < vampi-the-frog> vodka
2017-08-26T22:49:06 < vampi-the-frog> nukular weapons
2017-08-26T22:49:31 < PaulFertser> R2COM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oganesson ;)
2017-08-26T22:49:43 < vampi-the-frog> egg dolls within egg dolls
2017-08-26T22:49:51 < vampi-the-frog> and pretty girls
2017-08-26T22:50:05 < PaulFertser> In Dubna
2017-08-26T22:50:55 < Fahrradkette> at least he did
2017-08-26T22:50:57 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: kreosan is from Ukraine, Lugansk (the part where the civil war is ongoing thanks to russia).
2017-08-26T22:51:01 < Fahrradkette> while you didn't R2COM
2017-08-26T22:51:25 < Fahrradkette> you got to ask your inventor to implement google-foo
2017-08-26T22:51:31 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, oh
2017-08-26T22:55:07 < Thorn> found R2COM http://i.imgur.com/nBBAybl.gifv
2017-08-26T22:55:17 < PaulFertser> R2COM: btw, http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/export/rus/all/show/2015/ if you care to read
2017-08-26T22:57:39 < vampi-the-frog> ooh check out Romania
2017-08-26T22:57:41 < vampi-the-frog> we export insulated wire
2017-08-26T22:58:07 < vampi-the-frog> man I should look for some cheap wire over here
2017-08-26T22:58:16 < vampi-the-frog> fuck I love wire
2017-08-26T22:58:26 < Thorn> mockups?
2017-08-26T23:00:50 < PaulFertser> R2COM: just wheat is 1.3%, that already voids your statement.
2017-08-26T23:00:50 < Thorn> ok remind me where you were born
2017-08-26T23:01:08 < Thorn> I just had a dream about a nuclear explosion in Japan
2017-08-26T23:01:12 < Thorn> where is dongs
2017-08-26T23:01:48 < vampi-the-frog> woof look at this china shit
2017-08-26T23:01:48 < vampi-the-frog> http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/export/chn/all/show/2015/
2017-08-26T23:02:03 < vampi-the-frog> that's like all of ebay
2017-08-26T23:02:20 < Thorn> it's no more mine than it is yours
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2017-08-26T23:04:33 < Thorn> you will always be a Russian and you can't change it
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2017-08-26T23:07:17 < upgrdman> <R2COM> but to people who live there
2017-08-26T23:07:19 < upgrdman> that's not true
2017-08-26T23:07:57 < upgrdman> wtf R2COM
2017-08-26T23:08:04 < upgrdman> why so much hate
2017-08-26T23:09:07 < PaulFertser> I'm glad this channel got something useful from this conversation. Now they know Dubna still has facilities to experiment with super-heavy chemical elements (I was actually surprised to learn about JINR myself when I was there) and a nice MIT site with visualisations for plenty of interesting statistics.
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2017-08-26T23:09:50 < upgrdman> i was kinda hoping for some funny statisitcs :/ like "country xyz is the worlds leader at importing dildos" or something like that.
2017-08-26T23:10:16 < branjb> i bet canada is country xyz
2017-08-26T23:10:21 < upgrdman> lol
2017-08-26T23:12:34 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I'd guess many soviet people had internalised hatred for their fellow citizens, and that remains even after emigration. This country is really sort of doomed with an attitude like that.
2017-08-26T23:12:55 < upgrdman> soviets hated their fellow citizens??
2017-08-26T23:13:14 < upgrdman> im pretty ignorant of history. why the hatred?
2017-08-26T23:13:59 < branjb> even commies hate other commies
2017-08-26T23:17:05 < Steffanx> awh.
2017-08-26T23:17:25 < Fahrradkette> could someone please turn on the "english only" switch in R2COM?
2017-08-26T23:18:12 < Steffanx> Yes. We also dont allow german nick names.
2017-08-26T23:18:13 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: neighbours often do not get along, that's natural. Plus certain mentality of the majority that nothing of global importance really depends on their own decisions and that some authority will do whatever regardless. So they start to blame each other to get something from that authority, etc. Can't explain any better, have no real clue myself.
2017-08-26T23:19:24 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I see you're a fine linguist too, good point there, with such an important conclusion.
2017-08-26T23:20:44 < Thorn> what about this switch instead https://www.aliexpress.com/item/AC-660V-10A-Plastic-Shell-Red-Sign-Emergency-Stop-Mushroom-Push-Button-Switch/32651960642.html
2017-08-26T23:21:13 < upgrdman> Thorn, dont by safety equipment from china
2017-08-26T23:21:19 < upgrdman> buy*
2017-08-26T23:21:50 < upgrdman> or if you must, dont fucking buy from some random ali vendor
2017-08-26T23:21:56 < Thorn> but it's an emergency
2017-08-26T23:23:31 < Steffanx> Just call Captain Underpants!
2017-08-26T23:23:43 < Steffanx> (just watched that movie, was fucking terrible, as expected )
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2017-08-26T23:50:21 < Fahrradkette> R2COM: could you please write something confrontative? I'm bored
2017-08-26T23:50:33 < Fahrradkette> and sorry for the "please"
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2017-08-27T00:17:19 < branjb> does controversial count as confrontative?
2017-08-27T00:20:21 < Fahrradkette> in my book controversial is more like disputed while confrontative is more like aggressive
2017-08-27T00:20:56 < Fahrradkette> but it's language so everything means everything:)
2017-08-27T00:20:58 < branjb> k, muslims have one thing right, women shouldn't have the right to vote
2017-08-27T00:21:35 < Fahrradkette> i disagree
2017-08-27T00:23:43 < Steffanx> Your opinion doesnt count. You are swiss
2017-08-27T00:23:54 < Steffanx> The ever neutral people
2017-08-27T00:25:08 < branjb> what good has ever come from women voting?
2017-08-27T00:25:16 < branjb> aside from degeneracy
2017-08-27T00:25:42 < Fahrradkette> women tend to vote rather conservative
2017-08-27T00:25:54 < branjb> do you like trump?
2017-08-27T00:26:26 < branjb> if woman weren't allowed to vote he would have lost
2017-08-27T00:26:37 < Steffanx> Damnit. Stop bringing that guy to every discussion
2017-08-27T00:26:48 < Fahrradkette> no, but I'm amazed how good he's in fooling his own voters
2017-08-27T00:26:49 < branjb> bring who?
2017-08-27T00:26:58 < Steffanx> Potus
2017-08-27T00:27:04 < branjb> who's potus?
2017-08-27T00:27:22 < Fahrradkette> there is only one united states
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2017-08-27T00:27:54 < Steffanx> Melanie's husband, branjb
2017-08-27T00:28:09 < branjb> who is that i'm not familiar with melanie's husband
2017-08-27T00:28:17 < Fahrradkette> nice try
2017-08-27T00:28:31 < Steffanx> #covfefe
2017-08-27T00:29:25 < branjb> idk why but when I see the word covfefe it reminds me of a black dildo
2017-08-27T00:29:29 < upgrdman> whats a nice torrent web site? KAT sucks now.
2017-08-27T00:29:36 < branjb> thepiratebay
2017-08-27T00:29:39 < Steffanx> Pretome
2017-08-27T00:30:03 < Steffanx> Such illegal business.
2017-08-27T00:30:23 < englishman> how about legally purchasing your software because you're not a dirty thief
2017-08-27T00:30:34 < englishman> you are white, employed, and in california
2017-08-27T00:30:37 < englishman> you can buy software
2017-08-27T00:30:42 < englishman> its ok
2017-08-27T00:30:53 < branjb> i do purchase my software
2017-08-27T00:31:03 < upgrdman> englishman, ? who said anything about softwarew
2017-08-27T00:31:04 < branjb> i even paid altium $100 for an educational license
2017-08-27T00:31:08 < Steffanx> With bitcoins?
2017-08-27T00:31:52 < Steffanx> And then you use it for commercial stuff? Which is just as bad :P
2017-08-27T00:32:03 < branjb> lol
2017-08-27T00:32:07 < branjb> as if i made money off pcb design
2017-08-27T00:33:17 < branjb> does job title matter?  doing the same thing, but having the title of electrical engineer vs software engineer, any future implications?
2017-08-27T00:34:04 < upgrdman> i miss the days when people actually bought paper books
2017-08-27T00:34:20 < Steffanx> Uhm they still do?
2017-08-27T00:34:29 < upgrdman> fond memories of spending an evening in a lay-z-boy at b&n and deciding on what $60 book to buy.
2017-08-27T00:34:40 < branjb> paper books are gr8, they can't make you turn them off on airplanes
2017-08-27T00:34:47 < upgrdman> Steffanx, not as much tho. and few bookstores stock tech books anymore
2017-08-27T00:35:20 < upgrdman> branjb, ? i've never had a flight keep me from using my smartphone at ANY point of the flight, including takeoff and landing. and i've flown maybe 12 times in the last couple years.
2017-08-27T00:35:32 < branjb> in the USA?
2017-08-27T00:35:48 < upgrdman> usa, china, united arab emitates, and united kingdom
2017-08-27T00:35:51 < branjb> in the USA they think kindles can crash planes
2017-08-27T00:35:53 < upgrdman> oh and south korea
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2017-08-27T00:44:27 < Thorn> branjb: "embedded engineer" is probably best, people will ask you wtf it means and you can explain it however you want lol
2017-08-27T00:44:55 < branjb> that's not an option
2017-08-27T00:45:13 < branjb> i landed an fpga design job somehow, they asked me if i wanted EE or SE as a job title
2017-08-27T00:45:20 < branjb> dunno if it even matters
2017-08-27T00:45:53 < Thorn> well fpga design is not software engineering
2017-08-27T00:46:02 < Thorn> is it
2017-08-27T00:46:08 < invzim> it depends
2017-08-27T00:46:08 < branjb> i don't think so
2017-08-27T00:46:22 < branjb> but i do see a lot of digital design jobs listed as software engineer
2017-08-27T00:46:56 < invzim> messing with my fpga board now, and just discovered one of the input signals from an ADC appears to be async
2017-08-27T00:47:03 < invzim> I'd call that hardware
2017-08-27T00:47:30 < Thorn> unless you actually do nios/microblaze software crap
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2017-08-27T00:50:45 < invzim> hw upgrade time, throwing out my dodgy i-tech handheld multimeters and getting a fluke \o/
2017-08-27T00:50:58 < invzim> albeit a china market only, but got good reviews all around
2017-08-27T00:53:39 < invzim> not itech, unitech that's going out
2017-08-27T01:15:46 < Fahrradkette> what's "the right way" to use CubeMX? Load the settings for the board and disable what i'm not using or clear all pins and enable what I need? I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the settings
2017-08-27T01:18:40 < Thorn> killall cubemx; rm -rf cubemx  <-- the right way
2017-08-27T01:19:14 < Thorn> if you're playing with a discovery board it shouldn't really matter
2017-08-27T01:20:34 < invzim> cube actually helped me quite a bit, but it's not out-of-the box like they want it to be
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2017-08-27T01:24:13 < Fahrradkette> so how do I set it up?
2017-08-27T01:25:34 < invzim> Fahrradkette: https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32 was what I used
2017-08-27T01:26:31 < invzim> I had a couple of discovery boards in by drawer for a couple of years, but didn't use them as I couldn't make heads or tails out of the software
2017-08-27T01:26:49 < invzim> when I was 'forced' to use one, I picked used that book and got something working
2017-08-27T01:29:01 < branjb> that's a p decent book
2017-08-27T01:31:11 < Fahrradkette> that book looks massive judging from the number of pages:)
2017-08-27T01:32:28 < branjb> you can just reference sections that are applicable to whatever peripheral you are using
2017-08-27T01:34:27 < Fahrradkette> so kinda treat it like a datasheet?
2017-08-27T01:34:52 < branjb> kinda
2017-08-27T01:35:07 < branjb> it has decent examples of how to use most peripherals in polling/interrupt/DMA mode
2017-08-27T01:35:46 < upgrdman> what country would a Mr. Drongelen be from?
2017-08-27T01:35:55 < upgrdman> never heard that name before
2017-08-27T01:39:47 < branjb> sounds jewish
2017-08-27T01:44:21 < englishman> Steffanx sync_ http://i.imgur.com/C5XFs81.jpg?1
2017-08-27T01:44:27 < englishman> there are SO MANY
2017-08-27T01:48:27 < upgrdman> weird lookig nugs
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2017-08-27T02:35:04 < c4017> compiling with -O2 or -O3 breaks GPIO functionality because it's not actually writing to the GPIO registers. How do I fix it?
2017-08-27T02:35:43 < upgrdman> missing volatile keywords?
2017-08-27T02:36:30 < c4017> where? All registers should already be defined as volatile to prevent this from happening
2017-08-27T02:38:11 < Thorn> I read about this somewhere
2017-08-27T02:38:29 < upgrdman> c4017, whatever code is supposed to be calling the registers.
2017-08-27T02:38:40 < upgrdman> whatever lib you're using
2017-08-27T02:38:43 < upgrdman> look at the code
2017-08-27T02:38:49 < Thorn> also ##c++ told me that volatile is not supposed to ensure that reads or writes happen every time
2017-08-27T02:39:04 < c4017> I'm just doing while(1) GPIOE->ODR ^= 1;
2017-08-27T02:39:25 < upgrdman> c4017, so make sure that ODR is volatile
2017-08-27T02:39:36 < upgrdman> it should be
2017-08-27T02:39:42 < upgrdman> but who the fuck knows with stm quality
2017-08-27T02:39:42 < c4017> defined as __IO uint32_t ODR
2017-08-27T02:39:59 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-08-27T02:40:10 < upgrdman> what asm does your broken version
2017-08-27T02:41:33 < c4017> It just does mov	r2, r1 lol
2017-08-27T02:54:31 < c4017> Ok doing some dumb shit like this works: *(volatile uint32_t *)&GPIOE->ODR ^= 1;
2017-08-27T02:56:00 < c4017> nvm, that was with -O1....
2017-08-27T02:56:55 < Thorn> I use -Og
2017-08-27T02:58:11 < upgrdman> dafuq is g
2017-08-27T03:01:15 < c4017> dunno but its slower than -O1 even
2017-08-27T03:01:28 < upgrdman> lol
2017-08-27T03:04:36 < devanagram> Any chance you're toggling the register faster than the GPIO can actually toggle?
2017-08-27T03:05:45 < c4017> In the generated asm the register isn't even being written to
2017-08-27T03:06:16 < c4017> compiler just ignores it
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2017-08-27T03:40:24 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/4GbqVmH
2017-08-27T03:52:58 < Laurenceb__> Praise Milo, Praise Sargon, time for some delicious bleaching, praise kekistan xD
2017-08-27T03:53:56 < branjb> laurence you a mcgregor or mayflower guy
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2017-08-27T04:02:31 < Laurenceb__> a dont give a shit guy
2017-08-27T04:02:37 < Laurenceb__> also boxing is legit nasty
2017-08-27T04:02:48 < Laurenceb__> I can watch ogrish and shit
2017-08-27T04:03:03 < Laurenceb__> but 2 ppl beating the shit out of each other as leisure just isnt right
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2017-08-27T04:09:13 < Thorn> >2 ppl beating the shit out of each other
2017-08-27T04:09:30 < Thorn> more like one beating the shit out of the other
2017-08-27T04:09:32 < Thorn> most of the time
2017-08-27T04:14:54 < tpw_rules> they're not even naked
2017-08-27T04:15:07 < Laurenceb__> not that sort of beating
2017-08-27T04:15:11 < tpw_rules> why would you bother
2017-08-27T04:15:16 < Laurenceb__> top kek
2017-08-27T04:17:06 < upgrdman> wow, this is kinda cool. range's in switch(){}   http://embedded.fm/blog/2017/8/22/new-to-me
2017-08-27T04:17:46 < tpw_rules> yeah that's gcc only
2017-08-27T04:18:17 < Thorn> looks at match operators in swift, scala or kotlin and weep.
2017-08-27T04:18:26 < Thorn> *look
2017-08-27T04:18:28 < tpw_rules> yeah those are so good
2017-08-27T04:18:31 < tpw_rules> python should steal them
2017-08-27T04:18:48 < tpw_rules> although python doesn't have a case statement so
2017-08-27T04:19:30 < Thorn> *statements
2017-08-27T04:19:50 < Laurenceb__> wew youtube censoring has begun
2017-08-27T04:20:06 < tpw_rules> did they take down your syrian snuff films
2017-08-27T04:20:15 < Thorn> eevblog is gone?
2017-08-27T04:21:28 < Laurenceb__> they are hitting ron paul hard atm
2017-08-27T04:21:41 < Laurenceb__> syria shit probably next
2017-08-27T04:21:48 < tpw_rules> syria shit already happened lol
2017-08-27T04:22:00 < Laurenceb__> thought this was a meme but its finally up and running
2017-08-27T04:22:12 < Laurenceb__> youtube is gunna be dead at this rate
2017-08-27T04:22:15 < Laurenceb__> just cat videos
2017-08-27T04:22:37 < tpw_rules> rofl apparently ADL is doing the censorship
2017-08-27T04:22:44 < Laurenceb__> assange is triggered hard atm
2017-08-27T04:22:47 < tpw_rules> it is with a heavy heart that i must inform you the jews are at it again
2017-08-27T04:23:09 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/901555436930859008
2017-08-27T04:23:32 < tpw_rules> oh wait is this just advertising dollars
2017-08-27T04:24:42 < tpw_rules> youtube has been doing that for ages lol
2017-08-27T04:25:24 < Laurenceb__> nah now they are removing comments and embed too
2017-08-27T04:25:36 < Laurenceb__> yeah shekels have been held back for ages
2017-08-27T04:26:09 < tpw_rules> wait lol what they automatically disable comments
2017-08-27T04:27:29 < tpw_rules> i mean youtube comments got trump elexted so
2017-08-27T04:28:03 < upgrdman> tempted to buy a new hdd.
2017-08-27T04:28:18 < upgrdman> is now a good time, or is some breakthrough a week away or someshit?
2017-08-27T04:28:42 < upgrdman> 8TB HGST desktop drives are down to $250.
2017-08-27T04:28:54 < tpw_rules> those helium ones?
2017-08-27T04:29:09 < upgrdman> no those are more $. ~$400 iirc.
2017-08-27T04:29:15 < tpw_rules> have they demonstrated any long term reliability at all
2017-08-27T04:29:43 < tpw_rules> wait why do they have helium and non-helium versions
2017-08-27T04:30:35 < upgrdman> tpw_rules, well they dont use the word helium for this model... https://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/nas-desktop-drive-kit
2017-08-27T04:30:59 < tpw_rules> god that looks expensive
2017-08-27T04:31:22 < tpw_rules> i've got 6x5TB in my server
2017-08-27T04:32:04 < Thorn> that is a lot of porn
2017-08-27T04:32:24 < tpw_rules> well it's only 4x5 usable
2017-08-27T04:32:33 < tpw_rules> rest is parity
2017-08-27T04:32:44 < tpw_rules> speaking of which any good cheap linux on line backup things now that crashplan has died
2017-08-27T04:33:46 < tpw_rules> paying money per amount of data sucks and is lame
2017-08-27T04:34:53 < tpw_rules> maybe i should just get a tape drive on ebay and mail them to friends
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2017-08-27T04:39:25 < englishman> Laurenceb__: cat videos and women talking about women shit is pretty much the youtube business model
2017-08-27T04:40:13 < Laurenceb__> now if I was actually motivated I'd create a competitor
2017-08-27T04:40:26 < Laurenceb__> unhingedcommentstube
2017-08-27T04:40:30 < englishman> like
2017-08-27T04:40:31 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/user/IISuperwomanII/videos
2017-08-27T04:40:39 < Laurenceb__> for all your timecube and emdrive videos
2017-08-27T04:40:46 < englishman> 3:39 If White Walkers Were Teenage Girls
2017-08-27T04:40:46 < englishman> 1,782,163 views
2017-08-27T04:40:54 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2017-08-27T04:40:59 < englishman> this is the shit youtube cares about
2017-08-27T04:41:02 < Laurenceb__> looks like buzzfeed in video form
2017-08-27T04:41:09 < Laurenceb__> more cancerous than timecube
2017-08-27T04:41:15 < Laurenceb__> at least timecube is a funny meme
2017-08-27T04:41:19 < englishman> not some 4K syruan war video with 80k views
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2017-08-27T04:41:24 < tpw_rules> https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/898302748172500992
2017-08-27T04:42:12 < englishman> Boy-FRIEND Does My Makeup Voiceover (ft. Ryan Higa)
2017-08-27T04:42:12 < englishman> 3,260,548 views
2017-08-27T04:42:23 < englishman> clicks = cash
2017-08-27T04:43:02 < tpw_rules> ryan higa still exists?
2017-08-27T04:43:02 < englishman> the point of youtube being nice enough to let anyone upload videos, is the video has the potential to get millions of views
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2017-08-27T04:43:10 < englishman> no idea who that is dude
2017-08-27T04:43:21 < tpw_rules> he was ultra popular in like 2006 youtube
2017-08-27T04:43:30 < Laurenceb__> sounds almost as cancerous as Nicki Minaj
2017-08-27T04:43:31 < tpw_rules> nigahiga
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2017-08-27T06:02:15 < englishman> so you can't flash an edison from windows
2017-08-27T06:02:35 < englishman> intel already deleted their tools from their site, i found them on some french site, they are broken on windows
2017-08-27T06:02:54 < englishman> flashing from mac involves installing Xcode and MacPorts
2017-08-27T06:03:10 < englishman> lunix VM doesnt work as it needs to attach to usb quickly and i dono how to do that in lunix VM
2017-08-27T06:03:16 < englishman> so only lunix desktop can flash Edison
2017-08-27T06:03:24 < englishman> no wonder their shitty platform died a swift death
2017-08-27T06:03:28 < englishman> it was well deserved
2017-08-27T06:05:44 < englishman> oh and the intel lunix GUI tool was broken on lunix. only the commandline tools work at all
2017-08-27T06:10:53 < Thorn> why would anyone have macos without xcode and macports
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2017-08-27T08:25:43 < dale6998> hey, how are you all?
2017-08-27T08:26:20 < dale6998> can you tell me why someone would do this syntax?
2017-08-27T08:26:23 < dale6998> #define hd44780_set_command(cmd)    GPIO_SetBits(GPIOA, cmd)
2017-08-27T08:26:37 < dale6998> why wouldn't they just make a function out of that?  why the #define?
2017-08-27T08:32:28 < PaulFertser> devanagram: yes, a static inline function would be better as it can typecheck somewhat.
2017-08-27T08:32:37 < PaulFertser> dale6998: ^
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2017-08-27T08:53:31 < dale6998> PaulFertser: what's that mean?  typecheck?  are you saying you wouldn't have done it this way?
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2017-08-27T08:58:21 < PaulFertser> dale6998: probably GPIO_SetBits is from vendor's SDK and uses uint16_t or so for cmd. While when writing in C++ you could implement a special type for cmd and typecheck with that in your function, something like that.
2017-08-27T08:59:32 < PaulFertser> dale6998: to answer your original question, macros were a popular way to get guaranteed and overhead-less compile-time inlining.
2017-08-27T09:02:04 < dale6998> PaulFertser: ah, ok i see...thanks!
2017-08-27T09:07:26 < PaulFertser> dale6998: the macro facilities in C and C++ are quite limited but even that allows to extend the syntax in tricky ways: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/coroutines.html
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2017-08-27T09:13:57 < PaulFertser> Or here go some magic C++ tricks that are not otherwise possible:  https://stackoverflow.com/a/28928606
2017-08-27T09:15:19 < dale6998> PaulFertser: wow, that's pretty fancy stuff
2017-08-27T09:15:30 < dale6998> PaulFertser: all over my head at the momment!
2017-08-27T09:18:49 < dale6998> PaulFertser: is there a hal function to set a whole register?  i'm looking through the hal drivers for gpio, and all i see is one for setting bits one ny one
2017-08-27T09:24:11 < dale6998> PaulFertser: like GPIO_SetBits...But, for HAL?
2017-08-27T09:24:38 < PaulFertser> dale6998: no idea, I prefer to stay away from the ST shit-libraries. I'd use libopencm3 or stm32plus.
2017-08-27T09:25:06 < PaulFertser> Or Rust which seems to be gaining support for microcontrollers on a fast pace.
2017-08-27T09:26:12 < dale6998> PaulFertser: oh, i heard a great podcast interviewing the guy who wrote the libopemcm3 libraries on Friday...it's the latest AmpHour podcast
2017-08-27T09:32:07 < dale6998> https://theamphour.com/356-an-interview-with-piotr-esden-tempski/
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2017-08-27T10:35:00 < ohsix> blat
2017-08-27T10:41:33 < Fleck> dale6998: HAL_GPIO_WritePin() ?
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2017-08-27T11:10:26 < Steffanx> Thorn, fuck macports. Its a complete mess. I have better experience with homebrew (some hate it though)
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2017-08-27T11:26:03 < ohsix> can't you just use docker shit
2017-08-27T11:28:01 < ohsix> arrl question pool stuff and how they do tests is pretty awesome
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2017-08-27T11:31:47 < ohsix> more testing/interview/filtering shit should be done like this
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2017-08-27T14:16:08 < kakimir> R2COM: I smell the freedom
2017-08-27T14:17:10 < kakimir> *getoffmylawn* *pullsapistol*
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2017-08-27T16:24:55 < Laurenceb__> Pewtube: if you got banned from Youtube for posting hitler vids, this is the final solution for you!
2017-08-27T16:25:04 < Laurenceb__> looks like my business idea has no legs
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2017-08-27T17:11:02 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/0v3pp2job4iz.jpg
2017-08-27T17:11:35 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DICGpzPW0AEWDIi.jpg
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2017-08-27T17:50:46 < dale6998> hey all
2017-08-27T17:51:26 < dale6998> is there a HAL function to write to a whole port?  I'm looking here but i can't see anything besides a function to write a single bit at a time:
2017-08-27T17:51:29 < dale6998> https://developer.mbed.org/users/EricLew/code/STM32L4xx_HAL_Driver/docs/tip/group__GPIO__Exported__Functions__Group2.html
2017-08-27T17:52:30 < PaulFertser> dale6998: try reading through their sources
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2017-08-27T17:55:42 < dale6998> PaulFertser: looking through the stm32f4_hal_gpio.h now
2017-08-27T17:56:14 < dale6998> PaulFertser: i see where they are setting up the GPIO struct, and the rest of the details are below that definition, but I don't see anything here either
2017-08-27T17:56:32 < PaulFertser> dale6998: read the .c file too
2017-08-27T17:57:06 < PaulFertser> dale6998: you can basically search through all the hal_gpio.c file for GPIO register names you're interested in. E.g. ODR
2017-08-27T17:57:28 < PaulFertser> You have to be reading both datasheet and the source code anyway.
2017-08-27T17:58:01 < Steffanx> WritePin actually writes to BSRR directly, but i think the assert makes it fail when you do something like OR the pins you want to to clear/set.
2017-08-27T17:58:05 < Steffanx> but im not sure about that
2017-08-27T17:58:20 < dale6998> PaulFertser: ahh, just search for the register!  Thanks!
2017-08-27T17:58:44 < dale6998> Steffanx: ok, that's a good place to start, probably
2017-08-27T17:59:19 < PaulFertser> Is HAL still using runtime "asserts" that you need to enable manually for "debug" builds?
2017-08-27T18:00:33 < dale6998> PaulFertser: ....i have not idea...I'm an EE and learning as I go here
2017-08-27T18:01:40 < aandrew> dale6998: at the end of the day it's going to be either doing a RMW on a port register or a write on a "set" or "clear" register for that port
2017-08-27T18:02:10 < aandrew> PaulFertser: yes, HAL is full of bullshit asserts
2017-08-27T18:02:17 < PaulFertser> aandrew: runtime?
2017-08-27T18:02:35 < aandrew> PaulFertser: there are still some runtime checks, yes
2017-08-27T18:02:51 < aandrew> have to look again to point out some specifics
2017-08-27T18:02:56 < PaulFertser> I mean the idea to "typecheck" arguments is sort of meaningful but the way they implemented it in their shit libraries is outrageous.
2017-08-27T18:03:39 < aandrew> what do you expect? I'm pretty much in agreement with some of the others here who assert (heh heh) that the HAL was written by first-year co-op students and interns
2017-08-27T18:04:19 < aandrew> of particular ridicule are the interrupt and DMA versions of routines which set up the transfer and then spin waiting for the transfer to complete :-)
2017-08-27T18:05:15 < PaulFertser> I expect vendors to start providing sane C++ libraries, heh. Guess I'm wrong to do that though.
2017-08-27T18:05:33 < aandrew> I sure hope you're wrong
2017-08-27T18:05:43 < aandrew> sane C libraries, ok. no need for C+
2017-08-27T18:05:44 < aandrew> C++
2017-08-27T18:05:56 < PaulFertser> Why? I'm not talking about OOP here.
2017-08-27T18:06:19 < PaulFertser> I'm talking about stricter type safety and compile-time code validation and generation.
2017-08-27T18:06:28 < PaulFertser> That makes plenty of sense on a microcontroller.
2017-08-27T18:07:22 < aandrew> sure, and there are plenty of arguments for using those bits of C++. I am still against htem on principle, because it encourage people to use C++ which invariably leads to OOP where it doesn't belong
2017-08-27T18:07:54 < aandrew> I've seen waaaaay too much C++ code which is hideously complex; people get the idea that they can write "normal" C++ code on microcontrollers because the vendors provide C++ libraries
2017-08-27T18:08:26 < PaulFertser> But you're free to not use those parts of C++ that are unsuitable. Why bother with what somebody else does wrong?
2017-08-27T18:14:05 < aandrew> on a completely different topic: does anyone have anything good to say about uCOS? I've got a Sharc project that uses it and ... the OS is *garbage*
2017-08-27T18:14:43 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I understand your point, I truly do. Writing good C++ is *hard*. My experience is that it's a lot more difficult ot write good embedded C++ than it is to write good embedded C
2017-08-27T18:15:32 < aandrew> and if you provide C++ libraries/examples you wind up doing two things: 1. you create trouble for people who just want to write C and 2. you encourage every new wave of fresh programmers to embrace C++ which, without experience, leads to shit embedded code
2017-08-27T18:15:33 < sync_> aandrew: say no more than sharc
2017-08-27T18:15:37 < sync_> that is all we had to know
2017-08-27T18:16:00 < aandrew> sync_: no, this isn't a Sharc is garbage thing. This is a "does anyone have anything good to say about uCOS?" - it could be on any platform
2017-08-27T18:16:11 < sync_> well, true
2017-08-27T18:16:20 < sync_> but ime anything on sharc is annoying
2017-08-27T18:16:24 < PaulFertser> aandrew: I have to admit I have never tried to write or debug embedded C++ code (if one does not count my dive into the arduino libraries when I was trying to understand why they take 150 cycles to change one pin).
2017-08-27T18:16:31 < aandrew> it's API is weird, it's threading is fucking goofy... the only good thing I have to say about it is that its documentation is actually pretty good
2017-08-27T18:17:14 < aandrew> sync_: for me what bothers me about Sharc isn't the architecture or the hardware itself... they force you to use CCES which is *utter shit* and their compiler is awful
2017-08-27T18:17:34 < sync_> uhhh
2017-08-27T18:17:36 < sync_> yeah
2017-08-27T18:17:45 < aandrew> in the 1 month I've seriously worked on the project (had about 3mos where i was dicking around in it previous) I've foudn that memcpy() doesn't work and most recently, fucking sizeof() is broken (!!!)
2017-08-27T18:18:17 < aandrew> I get that Sharc is a bit of an odd beast because of all the differnt memory areas but your fucking primitives should work!
2017-08-27T18:19:17 < aandrew> for (i=0; i<4; i++) { memcpy(dst, &some_float, sizeof(some_float)); dst += sizeof(some_float); }
2017-08-27T18:19:41 < aandrew> er sorry, some_float is an array of floats...
2017-08-27T18:19:52 < aandrew> for (i=0; i<4; i++) { memcpy(dst, &some_float[i], sizeof(some_float)); dst += sizeof(some_float); }
2017-08-27T18:20:12 < PaulFertser> With dst being char* or float*?
2017-08-27T18:20:37 < aandrew> dst is a char*, basically I'm building a packet that is being sent out of the UART
2017-08-27T18:21:30 < PaulFertser> This still doesn't look right to me.
2017-08-27T18:21:30 < aandrew> and endianness aside (the protocol is little-endian like the sharc) that code works perfectly fine if I replace memcpy with a for loop that does the same shit and replace sizeof() with += 4
2017-08-27T18:22:01 < aandrew> this is from memory, but it looks about right to me
2017-08-27T18:22:33 < aandrew> yeah the sizeof() in the memcpy shoudl be sizeof(float) but you get the idea
2017-08-27T18:22:45 < aandrew> memcpy 4 bytes, increment the dst pointer the correct amount
2017-08-27T18:22:54 < aandrew> doesn't work becuase the compiler is returniing 1 for sizeof(float)
2017-08-27T18:23:25 < aandrew> and I don't ahve the first clue what is wrong with memcpy(), it's like the primitive is accessing PM instead of DM or someshit
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2017-08-27T18:23:36 < PaulFertser> Funny
2017-08-27T18:23:45 < PaulFertser> not to one who debugs this of course
2017-08-27T18:23:50 < aandrew> heh
2017-08-27T18:24:13 < aandrew> people have accepted my cursing as par for the course on working with this codebase and platform
2017-08-27T18:24:25 < aandrew> the codebase is also Shite with a capital S
2017-08-27T18:24:56 < aandrew> it's the very definition of "let the scientist who took C++ 101 write the code"
2017-08-27T18:25:17 < Steffanx> Im glad as a self-employed guy you can (kinda) choose what projects you want to do :P
2017-08-27T18:25:48 < PaulFertser> Why not just memcpy(dst, some_float, sizeof(some_float) btw?
2017-08-27T18:25:59 < aandrew> 400MHz DSP brought down to its knees with object-oriented objects of virtual functions wrapped up in an endless sea of semaphores waiting on each other and a threading OS which can't task switch correctly to save its soul
2017-08-27T18:26:14 < aandrew> Steffanx: I'm a contractor. and I agree. At least I'm being paid well to untangle this :-)
2017-08-27T18:26:38 < aandrew> PaulFertser: the code is paraphrased but yes in my example that would work exactly the same, *if* sizeof() worked)
2017-08-27T18:27:07 < PaulFertser> aandrew: and memcpy :) yeah.
2017-08-27T18:27:17 < PaulFertser> Sick stuff
2017-08-27T18:27:44 < aandrew> the Sharc hardware does have some goofy fucking oddities though
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2017-08-27T18:28:27 < aandrew> fancy-ass fast DSP and the fastest peripheral for it is SPI... which they give you a SINGLE FUCKING DMA CHANNEL
2017-08-27T18:29:09 < aandrew> so you can do unidirectional transfers fast. the fucking datasheet even says "if you need bidirectional transfers (?! wtf? SPI is bidirectional!) it's recommended to DMA in one direction and use an ISR for the other direction"
2017-08-27T18:29:14 < aandrew> head. fucking. desk.
2017-08-27T18:30:36 < aandrew> because of this, the "OO all the things!" person behind the codebase set up the Sharc as the SPI slave and connected it to the SPI master with two additional handshake lines
2017-08-27T18:31:06 < aandrew> so the slave tells the master "I want you to read/write from me" and "I can't accept a SPI transfer right nwo" with these two GPIOs
2017-08-27T18:31:10 < aandrew> I've never seen anything like it
2017-08-27T18:32:45 < aandrew> and then because SPI transfers need to know the amount of data to transfer before you start the transfer, they designed it so that the master transfers a constant 6 byte header which includes a payload length element, and then transfers the payload (if there is one) -- not bad, except there is no locking around the hardware access... so if the master starts tranfsering and another thread decides that it has data for the master, it will set up the outgoing
2017-08-27T18:33:28 < aandrew> anyway, bbl
2017-08-27T18:38:15 < Steffanx> :D
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2017-08-27T18:40:12 < dale6998> oh my god, this is so cool!
2017-08-27T18:40:38 < dale6998> thanks both of you...that was the the secret...read the existing code carefully
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2017-08-27T21:53:27 < Steffanx> Major new features of Bluetooth 5:
2017-08-27T21:53:28 < Steffanx> Errata
2017-08-27T21:53:45 < Steffanx> ... wut. Errata is a feature now?
2017-08-27T22:02:29 < emeb> that's not an erratum that's a feature
2017-08-27T22:06:31 < aandrew> haha
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2017-08-28T00:09:20 < karlp> aandrew: only thing good I have to say about ucos is that I used ucosII as the first OS I wrote for in university.
2017-08-28T00:09:27 < karlp> and.... never again after that.
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2017-08-28T01:30:29 < Laurenceb__> upgrdman: top kek
2017-08-28T01:30:31 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/Dkyo2mq
2017-08-28T01:30:45 < upgrdman> heh
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2017-08-28T01:56:42 < Thorn> porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft3GUzuo_AM
2017-08-28T01:57:08 < upgrdman> *click* ... hey! that's not porn.
2017-08-28T01:57:15 < branjb> it's better than
2017-08-28T01:57:51 < kakimir> I need some dumb process to heat up my laptop
2017-08-28T01:57:59 < branjb> chrome.exe
2017-08-28T01:58:08 < upgrdman> while(1);
2017-08-28T01:58:23 < upgrdman> spawn enough threads to cover all cores.
2017-08-28T01:58:27 < branjb> while(1) fork();
2017-08-28T01:59:54 < kakimir> I wonder if there is application I could set target core temp
2017-08-28T02:00:32 < kakimir> my laptop doesn't heat up unless properly under load
2017-08-28T02:00:58 < kakimir> so I then can throw it under the blanket and heat my feet - so nice
2017-08-28T02:01:24 < branjb> why is eclipse so attrocious
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2017-08-28T02:05:29 < englishman> cool video Thorn
2017-08-28T02:05:34 < englishman> basically nothing to it
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2017-08-28T02:07:31 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/fJVPmuf
2017-08-28T02:07:32 < branjb> porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKvnQYFhGCc
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2017-08-28T02:08:45 < apo> \o
2017-08-28T02:10:10 < apo> has anybody here ever done measurements of some stm32's pll frequency? I'm sampling a sine and calculating the phase of the sample... and am seeing a sawtooth-shaped frequency drift there >_>
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2017-08-28T02:10:30 < apo> (Sampling frequency and signal frequency are both fixed and approximately equal)
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2017-08-28T02:14:53 < Thorn> what is the clock source
2017-08-28T02:15:29 < Thorn> if you want to measure the frequency there is MCO (main clock output) or even 2 depending on the chip
2017-08-28T02:16:01 < apo> a crystal
2017-08-28T02:16:20 < Thorn> so HSE
2017-08-28T02:16:20 < apo> yeah, but I don't have a sufficiently accurate frequency counter
2017-08-28T02:16:24 < apo> yup
2017-08-28T02:16:49 < apo> https://0au.de/~apo/tmp/sawtooth.png and this doesn't look like something a crystal would do (ignore the ylabel)
2017-08-28T02:18:09 < apo> so I'm wondering if it's the PLL
2017-08-28T02:19:58 < Thorn> if your graph shows phase then it looks consistent with your input signal frequency being slightly different from the sampling freq
2017-08-28T02:20:08 < Thorn> (both frequencies are constant)
2017-08-28T02:20:42 < apo> nah, the y axis is the frequency
2017-08-28T02:20:51 < apo> phase you can see at https://0au.de/~apo/tmp/gah2.png
2017-08-28T02:21:29 < apo> and that's an actual jump, not an overflow
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2017-08-28T03:01:46 < Laurenceb__> nope
2017-08-28T03:01:51 < Laurenceb__> apo: I'm confused
2017-08-28T03:02:06 < Laurenceb__> thats MCO?
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2017-08-28T03:04:59 < apo> Laurenceb__: what is?
2017-08-28T03:05:20 < Laurenceb__> the graph
2017-08-28T03:05:26 < apo> I posted two
2017-08-28T03:05:34 < apo> and neither of them show MCO
2017-08-28T03:07:11 < apo> Unless you want me to go into the gory details of how I'm calculating the phase, you'll have to be a bit more specific than "I'm confused"
2017-08-28T03:13:03 < apo> (I guess if you've got the background it's rather simple - sample 77500 Hz at 10 kHz, mix the resulting -2500 Hz signal with 2500 Hz to get 0 and 5000 Hz, remove the high frequency, use atan2 to get the phase)
2017-08-28T03:14:06 < Thorn> is the signal always sinusoidal
2017-08-28T03:14:13 < apo> yes
2017-08-28T03:14:26 < Thorn> comparator -> timer input capture
2017-08-28T03:14:37 < Thorn> no Nyquist unfriendly shit
2017-08-28T03:14:56 < apo> No thanks, this is working fine.
2017-08-28T03:15:02 < apo> and more precise.
2017-08-28T03:15:57 < apo> and Nyquist doesn't matter here
2017-08-28T03:16:06 < branjb> nyquist always matters
2017-08-28T03:16:26 < branjb> nyquist lives matter
2017-08-28T03:16:57 < apo> I could use 100 Hz and it'd still be perfectly okay
2017-08-28T03:17:03 < apo> The signal only has a bandwidth of 20 Hz
2017-08-28T03:18:04 < apo> (Much less, really)
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2017-08-28T03:19:59 < Thorn> stm32 timers can run at >100MHz in some chips iinm
2017-08-28T03:20:14 < apo> not in the one I'm using
2017-08-28T03:20:31 < apo> and even then it'd still be worse
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2017-08-28T04:06:58 < upgrdman> is it normal to feel a little vibration if you touch a 3.5" HDD?
2017-08-28T04:08:39 < tpw_rules> depends how busy it is, i would imagine
2017-08-28T04:09:03 < upgrdman> i dont mean from seeking
2017-08-28T04:09:09 < upgrdman> just the motor/platters
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2017-08-28T04:09:35 < tpw_rules> i'd say that's fine
2017-08-28T04:09:41 < tpw_rules> you can feel something
2017-08-28T04:09:42 < tpw_rules> or at least i can
2017-08-28T04:09:47 < tpw_rules> i don't have one at hand to test
2017-08-28T04:09:50 < upgrdman> k
2017-08-28T04:09:51 < Thorn> afaik they seek all the time to calibrate
2017-08-28T04:10:06 < upgrdman> Thorn, well i can also feel a distint different feel when it seeks
2017-08-28T04:10:16 < upgrdman> but this is like a constant high-freq low-amp vib
2017-08-28T04:13:58 < Thorn> my 3TB WDs do seem to vibrate a little (although they're also pretty hot to the touch so I didn't test for very long lol)
2017-08-28T04:38:39 < Laurenceb__> White people can't throw or land a punch for shit. They should stick licking the cum off their wives pussies after the real men fuck them.
2017-08-28T04:39:45 < Laurenceb__> oh hi crt
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2017-08-28T04:59:36 < Thorn> is it possible to make a FMCW range + range rate sensor from cheap Chinese ultrasound transducers?
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2017-08-28T05:03:11 < Thorn> like those used in hc-sr04 etc.
2017-08-28T05:03:18 < Thorn> or are they single frequency only
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2017-08-28T07:04:47 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/FastPopularAfricanbushviper
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2017-08-28T08:16:16 < ohsix> *beep
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2017-08-28T08:20:20 < ohsix> englishman: hah
2017-08-28T08:20:24 < ohsix> why did the drone fly away
2017-08-28T08:21:07 < ohsix> that video of people moving the tower around, ugh; nevermind 'hah'
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2017-08-28T11:46:52 < apo> https://jaybee.cz/software/stm32-hse-oscillator-stability-problem/ Found the problem :D
2017-08-28T11:50:32 < fest> hmm, I wonder how stable would internal PLL be if clocked from external oscillator
2017-08-28T12:01:14 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BYU1EttgwJE/
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2017-08-28T14:34:14 < karlp> Steffanx: what's a bricks and morter pc shop that you could walk into in holland to get a usb wifi adapter for instance?
2017-08-28T14:34:30 < karlp> (friends just moved to tilburg and need shit now, not waiting on amazon/ebay)
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2017-08-28T14:54:59 < karlp> nvm, I guess conrad is it.
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2017-08-28T15:00:35 < Steffanx> Nooo
2017-08-28T15:00:42 < Steffanx> Conrad is damn slow
2017-08-28T15:00:51 < Steffanx> Better do coolblue
2017-08-28T15:00:54 < Steffanx> .nl
2017-08-28T15:01:00 < Steffanx> Or something
2017-08-28T15:01:03 < Steffanx> Lol karlp
2017-08-28T15:01:38 < Steffanx> Our pc shops tent to be random ones. No name.
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2017-08-28T15:01:58 < Steffanx> But i would go to mediamarkt, tilburg has one of those
2017-08-28T15:03:11 < Steffanx> The major online pc hw related stores do next morning delivery. Most of them when ordered before 15.00. some of them when before 00.00
2017-08-28T15:12:43 < Steffanx> </monologue>
2017-08-28T15:13:14 < Steffanx> Btw, the more important question: why on earth would you move to Tilburg. Tilburg of all places
2017-08-28T15:23:18 < Steffanx> *tend
2017-08-28T15:25:56 < karlp> yeah, well, we all said that too.
2017-08-28T15:26:02 < karlp> turns out there's some university there
2017-08-28T15:26:17 < karlp> and they accepted her into some law master in trade relations thingy
2017-08-28T15:27:49 < karlp> coolblue looks like the same devices and same prices as conrad
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2017-08-28T15:35:15 < Laurenceb__> yo dawg http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41067869
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2017-08-28T15:43:03 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luM2QF8kqZc
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2017-08-28T15:45:04 < Steffanx> But at least they do next day delivery and not 3+ days or whatever conrad does these days karlp
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2017-08-28T15:50:05 < karlp> Steffanx: cool, much appreciated.
2017-08-28T15:50:16 < karlp> I passed on your questions on "why tilburg?!" tood :)
2017-08-28T15:52:58 < Laurenceb__> https://dailystormer.al/daily-stormer-now-dawns-the-algerian-age/
2017-08-28T15:53:03 < Laurenceb__> irl lolling
2017-08-28T16:02:01 < karlp> "the reason i moved to Tilburg is because Tilburg is awesome and full of awesome things"
2017-08-28T16:02:30 < karlp> are there meant to be pictures on that page?
2017-08-28T16:02:41 < karlp> you know what, nvm.
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2017-08-28T16:11:45 < Steffanx> Hah, at least thats a good reason.
2017-08-28T16:11:52 < Steffanx> @karlp
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2017-08-28T16:29:11 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/TJ5ERPh
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2017-08-28T17:34:41 < Laurenceb__> has anyone here worked with the usb audio class?
2017-08-28T17:34:51 < Laurenceb__> the documentation is _long_
2017-08-28T17:35:15  * Laurenceb__ is trying to work out how channels are separated from the stream
2017-08-28T17:37:35 < emeb> usb audio is a PITA
2017-08-28T17:38:02 < emeb> try reading up on how to synchronize the sampling rates...
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2017-08-28T17:39:58 < Laurenceb__> yeah luckily I don't have to go there
2017-08-28T17:40:15 < Laurenceb__> as I'm planning to sync to the SOF at the device end
2017-08-28T17:40:36 < Laurenceb__> just oversample the mems sensors then resample and align to the SOF
2017-08-28T17:41:29 < Laurenceb__> my reading of the spec is that channels are divided using separate packets
2017-08-28T17:41:35 < Laurenceb__> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/devclass_docs/frmts10.pdf
2017-08-28T17:41:40 < englishman> the guy in that oscillator page is complaining about 9Hz drift on 25MHz oscillator? ...really?
2017-08-28T17:42:14 < Laurenceb__> but can more than one isochronous packet be sent per device per 1ms period?
2017-08-28T17:43:27 < jpa-> yes
2017-08-28T17:43:41 < Laurenceb__> oh ok
2017-08-28T17:43:55 < jpa-> hmm or whut
2017-08-28T17:44:04 < jpa-> was it so that max 1 packet but it can be biiig?
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2017-08-28T17:45:23 < jpa-> i think host polls isochronous endpoint once per 1ms frame, and then you can send as many packets as you have negotiated bandwidth for
2017-08-28T17:51:21 < karlp> englishman: I think it was more the style of the drift that they were confused about.
2017-08-28T17:51:50 < englishman> sure, and it's interesting it results in large jumps like that
2017-08-28T17:51:57 < englishman> but its still ~3ppm?
2017-08-28T17:53:16 < englishman> looks like the PLL is not locked at all, and is still able to achieve good precision
2017-08-28T17:53:40 < karlp> that's no tthe pll output that was MCO of HSE was't it?
2017-08-28T17:54:16 < englishman> ah yes
2017-08-28T17:54:25 < englishman> so maybe he didn't read the oscillator appnote?
2017-08-28T17:54:34 < englishman> so many questions
2017-08-28T17:55:21 < englishman> no schematic or anything that people could use to duplicate his problem
2017-08-28T17:55:54 < englishman> doesnt even say if it was a crystal or ceramic
2017-08-28T17:56:35 < karlp> well, apo reproduced it identically.
2017-08-28T18:03:52 < englishman> hmm
2017-08-28T18:04:18 < englishman> he said he was sampling pll?
2017-08-28T18:04:50 < englishman> got reply from cypress
2017-08-28T18:05:01 < englishman> "ur eeprom is corrupted. There is no errata for this chip."
2017-08-28T18:05:07 < englishman> not using eeprom. Thanks guys
2017-08-28T18:05:46 < apo> englishman: yeah, this is after PLL
2017-08-28T18:06:36 < englishman> yeah, then it just looks like a crappy pll
2017-08-28T18:07:14 < englishman> or rather, lower precision than you need
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2017-08-28T18:15:35 < zyp> jpa-, iso is once per frame but bigger packets than the usual 64B MPS on FS are allowed
2017-08-28T18:15:50 < zyp> not sure if that's also true for HS
2017-08-28T18:19:49 < apo> englishman: Will see that as soon as I bypass the HSE
2017-08-28T18:20:00 < apo> englishman: But I don't think it's the PLL
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2017-08-28T22:37:33 < Thorn> can you implement a E1 interface using stm32?
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2017-08-28T22:48:09 < aandrew> Thorn: yes, with an E1 framer
2017-08-28T22:48:24 < aandrew> <-- (used to be) telecom guru
2017-08-28T22:48:48 < aandrew> 2.048Mbps is not a lot of data and the framer can take care of a lot of the icky bits
2017-08-28T22:48:56 < aandrew> my question is why
2017-08-28T22:53:34 < Ecco> Hey guys, is Tectu around?
2017-08-28T22:53:56 < sync_> no, tekk-2 is dead
2017-08-28T22:53:58 < Steffanx> No. Tectu hasnt been around for weeks.
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2017-08-28T22:59:21 < Tectu> Tectu around.
2017-08-28T22:59:21 < Steffanx> Living dead Tectu \o/
2017-08-28T23:00:53 < Steffanx> mr Ecco ^
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2017-08-28T23:02:21 < Ecco> Oh awesome
2017-08-28T23:03:14 < Ecco> thanks Steffanx !
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2017-08-28T23:40:52 < ohsix> hurf
2017-08-28T23:41:12 < ohsix> might get like half a year of full time work on 8051, but they need it 'fast' and i dunno if i can fuck around trying to get up to speed
2017-08-28T23:41:48 < ohsix> one of those things i could probably do np but it feels wrong to enter the situation current assessment of skillz
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2017-08-29T00:02:45 < ohsix> the more i think about all the time/money crunch shit ... the security industry is a garbage
2017-08-29T00:02:58 < ohsix> and almost all of the people doing it are too
2017-08-29T00:03:23 < ohsix> they've got perpetual business but there's not much you can do with their output generally
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2017-08-29T01:10:45 < branjb> the cyber security industry is growing so big because it's seen as important, but really hard to put a metric to how effective people are.  so idiots who are good talkers do really well
2017-08-29T01:10:46 < branjb> imo
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2017-08-29T01:40:20 < Laurenceb__> <zyp> jpa-, iso is once per frame but bigger packets than the usual 64B MPS on FS are allowed
2017-08-29T01:40:31 < Laurenceb__> zyp: you mean negotiated once per frame?
2017-08-29T01:42:40 < ohsix> what's the context for that, TS?
2017-08-29T01:43:37 < ohsix> oh usb durrrh
2017-08-29T01:46:24 < Laurenceb__> usb audio :S
2017-08-29T01:46:28 < Laurenceb__> wurk project
2017-08-29T01:46:35 < Laurenceb__> lul this sounds matlab tier https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/08/28/1725232/how-the-nsa-identified-satoshi-nakamoto
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2017-08-29T02:04:23 < ohsix> heh
2017-08-29T02:04:33 < ohsix> sounds like he was a control for the method they were developing
2017-08-29T02:04:55 < ohsix> if you can settle it based only 50 words, that's nuts
2017-08-29T02:05:12 < ohsix> but, withotu publishing something you don't know the false negatives and shit
2017-08-29T02:05:25 < ohsix> could just be that he was in the result set of 5000 people
2017-08-29T02:06:28 < ohsix> Sources: Many readers have asked that I provide third party citations to ‘prove’ the NSA identified Satoshi using stylometry. Unfortunately, I cannot as I haven’t read this anywhere else — hence the reason I wrote this post.
2017-08-29T02:07:14 < ohsix> but that nonsense helps to explain why sekret public statements sound really odd and contrived
2017-08-29T02:08:46 < ohsix> just on the basis of the emails, sounds like most of the people i've ever worked with
2017-08-29T02:10:41 < ohsix> also couldn't they have literally just matched that email from some collection, no need to f' with pca at all
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2017-08-29T02:12:07 < ohsix> lunch wheeee
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2017-08-29T03:04:21 < zyp> Laurenceb__, yes
2017-08-29T03:04:29 < zyp> polled for, rather
2017-08-29T03:04:48 < Laurenceb__> ok, but multiple actual packets can be sent per frame?
2017-08-29T03:05:08 < Laurenceb__> as my reading of the audio spec is that channels are aligned to packet boundaries
2017-08-29T03:05:12 < zyp> not as far as I can remember
2017-08-29T03:05:19 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2017-08-29T03:05:48 < zyp> IIRC USB audio are typically 192B packets
2017-08-29T03:06:23 < zyp> 48kHz * 2ch * 2B/s = 192B * 1kHz
2017-08-29T03:06:56 < Laurenceb__> oh
2017-08-29T03:06:58 < Laurenceb__> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/devclass_docs/frmts10.pdf
2017-08-29T03:07:07 < Laurenceb__> I'm reading 2.3.3
2017-08-29T03:07:35 < Laurenceb__> " No USB packet may contain bits belonging to different encoded audio frames."
2017-08-29T03:07:54 < zyp> this sounds like compressed audio
2017-08-29T03:07:58 < Laurenceb__> oh
2017-08-29T03:08:01 < zyp> considering they talk about frames
2017-08-29T03:08:06 < zyp> PCB doesn't have frames
2017-08-29T03:08:08 < zyp> PCM*
2017-08-29T03:08:33 < zyp> I mean, that's what the whole 2.3 section says that its about
2017-08-29T03:08:51 < Laurenceb__> oh
2017-08-29T03:08:57 < Laurenceb__> 2.3.1, I see
2017-08-29T03:09:22 < Laurenceb__> ah this is much nicer to deal with then
2017-08-29T03:09:38 < zyp> is there a reason you're doing audio class?
2017-08-29T03:09:53 < Laurenceb__> to allow off the shelf host software
2017-08-29T03:10:08 < Laurenceb__> on Rpi/whatever
2017-08-29T03:10:49 < Laurenceb__> and the data is fairly similar to multichannel audio, lots of 16bit channels at a few ksps
2017-08-29T03:11:10 < zyp> does common host stacks allows you to sync streams from multiple usb audio devices good enough for your purpose though?
2017-08-29T03:11:17 < Laurenceb__> yes
2017-08-29T03:11:34 < Laurenceb__> in fact it seems there are standard lunix tools for clustering and syncing usb audio sources
2017-08-29T03:11:47 < zyp> okay, sounds neat then
2017-08-29T03:11:55 < Laurenceb__> so you can group a load of sources to behave as a single multichannel device
2017-08-29T03:12:16 < Laurenceb__> it even does quite nice resamping for stuff with its own sampling clock, but I shouldnt need that
2017-08-29T03:12:41 < zyp> audio class shouldn't be too hard to get working
2017-08-29T03:12:42 < Laurenceb__> and it would prob kill the cpu on a Rpi
2017-08-29T03:13:11 < Laurenceb__> I'll resample at the device, the maths is simple compared to usb audio
2017-08-29T03:13:32 < zyp> haha
2017-08-29T03:13:43 < zyp> usb audio requires like no cpu at all though
2017-08-29T03:13:44 < Laurenceb__> tho it would be fun to see if lunix can cope with ultra lame mems sampling clocks
2017-08-29T03:13:54 < Laurenceb__> libsamplerate does tho
2017-08-29T03:14:13 < Laurenceb__> the lunix adaptive clk stuff uses libsamplerate, which is very cpu heavy
2017-08-29T03:14:37 < zyp> all you need to do is to feed the samples into the relevant tx buffer and the usb core does the rest
2017-08-29T03:14:48 < Laurenceb__> in theory I could just shovel the samples out over usb with no resampling and let lunix deal with the rest
2017-08-29T03:15:03 < Laurenceb__> really?
2017-08-29T03:15:07 < zyp> all the audio class stuff is just descriptors
2017-08-29T03:15:52 < zyp> and some control requests if you want shit like volume control
2017-08-29T03:15:53 < Laurenceb__> "If the encoded audio
2017-08-29T03:15:53 < Laurenceb__> frame length is not a multiple of 8 bits, the last byte in the last packet is padded with zero bits. The
2017-08-29T03:15:53 < Laurenceb__> decoder must ignore all padded extra bits and bytes"
2017-08-29T03:16:05 < zyp> encoded, still
2017-08-29T03:16:12 < Laurenceb__> all that is handled by the hardware?
2017-08-29T03:16:30 < zyp> no, that's not what I said
2017-08-29T03:17:15 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp <- I have a simple usb audio example here if you wanna see how it works
2017-08-29T03:17:34 < zyp> it's out rather in, but that doesn't make a big difference
2017-08-29T03:18:10 < Laurenceb__> that actually looks nicer than st code
2017-08-29T03:18:15 < Laurenceb__> fewer comments tho
2017-08-29T03:18:50 < zyp> first rev of that was some shit I whipped up a saturday I was bored or something, and then I added volume controls and stuff later
2017-08-29T03:19:09 < Laurenceb__> I think I'll try cube tho tbh
2017-08-29T03:19:24 < Laurenceb__> I got a audio device created in about 5s of clicking
2017-08-29T03:19:25 < zyp> the acd/asfd/aced stuff is because I got tired of making structs for all the audio descriptor shit
2017-08-29T03:19:31 < zyp> well, sure
2017-08-29T03:19:31 < Laurenceb__> but it didnt actually do anything :P
2017-08-29T03:19:49 < zyp> I didn't mean for you to use it, just read through it to get an idea of how everything fits together
2017-08-29T03:19:57 < zyp> should be fairly easy to follow
2017-08-29T03:20:20 < Laurenceb__> so basically I just shovel the data into the usb endpoint?
2017-08-29T03:20:32 < Laurenceb__> after dividing it up appropriately
2017-08-29T03:20:34 < zyp> yes
2017-08-29T03:20:37 < Laurenceb__> ok
2017-08-29T03:21:02 < zyp> and the descriptors tell the host how to interpret it
2017-08-29T03:21:22 < zyp> I figure that's what is in asfd
2017-08-29T03:21:24 < Laurenceb__> I've been fiddling with cloned IAR project, but I should prob start from scratch
2017-08-29T03:21:38 < zyp> guess it means audio streaming format descriptor, or something like that
2017-08-29T03:21:55 < Laurenceb__> cube can be easily ported to new hardware
2017-08-29T03:22:12 < Laurenceb__> don't know what the final hardware will look like yet
2017-08-29T03:22:40 < zyp> not too important :p
2017-08-29T03:23:12 < zyp> once you've made a working proof of concept, it'll be fast to reimplement with whatever other lib you'll actually use
2017-08-29T03:23:13 < Laurenceb__> well any idea of actual compliance seems to have been thrown out of the window
2017-08-29T03:24:33 < Laurenceb__> I tried to point out that there was no hope of this shit ever going anywhere near a hospital patient...
2017-08-29T03:25:14 < Laurenceb__> medical device compliance guy will laugh you out of the room if you turn up with some taped together Rpi based clusterfuck
2017-08-29T03:25:25 < zyp> :)
2017-08-29T03:26:27 < Laurenceb__> and they really hate use of stuff like usb - anything that allows perman00b to do really bad stuff
2017-08-29T03:26:48 < Laurenceb__> like plug an e-cigarette charger into the base unit, setting the hospital on fire
2017-08-29T03:27:01 < zyp> I keep telling people at work «making something that works is easy, getting it robust and production ready is what takes time»
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2017-08-29T04:08:49 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/d5sra3z4njiz.jpg
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2017-08-29T04:12:40 < aandrew> hahaha
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2017-08-29T04:46:38 < dongs> ueslsss fucking ##electronics faggots nigger jew channel
2017-08-29T04:47:01 < dongs>  hahaha 'AdaBox' subscription service
2017-08-29T04:47:01 < branjb> did you try #eevblog
2017-08-29T04:47:14 < dongs> fucking ladyAIDS
2017-08-29T04:47:27 < dongs> someone needds to send a box of tarantulas to her shitty apartment
2017-08-29T04:47:34 < branjb> how can you hate a super hot girl ~maker~?
2017-08-29T04:47:43 < dongs> more like spreader of aids
2017-08-29T04:52:59 < ohsix> Laurenceb: they may laugh at rpi, but that's the kind of thing you could maybe pool a lot of money to do, people downstream wanting to use it for that stuff
2017-08-29T04:54:09 < aandrew> dongs: what'd the bullies in ##electronics do to you?
2017-08-29T04:54:20 < aandrew> show me on the schematic where they touched your circuit
2017-08-29T04:54:29 < dongs> aandrew: i wasnt on irc and couldn't change nick to dongs automatically cuz that channel is +NAZI mode
2017-08-29T04:54:40 < dongs> and somehow i auto-rejojind it
2017-08-29T04:54:42 < dongs> after disconcnecting
2017-08-29T04:55:34 < dongs> finally back in civilization after a weekend in malAIDSya
2017-08-29T04:55:42 < dongs> at least i have a desk in taiwan office
2017-08-29T04:55:50 < ohsix> right here in my ground pour
2017-08-29T04:55:52 < ohsix> *pout*
2017-08-29T04:55:53 < aandrew> heh
2017-08-29T04:55:56 < aandrew> nice
2017-08-29T04:56:30 < dongs> do you think 74HC138 is dead when i put 12V on it
2017-08-29T04:56:34 < dongs> for a very shot time
2017-08-29T04:57:05 < aandrew> HC? yes
2017-08-29T04:57:07 < aandrew> it's fucked
2017-08-29T04:57:11 < dongs> rip
2017-08-29T04:57:16 < aandrew> they are strictly 5V
2017-08-29T04:57:51 < upgrdman> this bring me so much happiness  https://i.imgur.com/gA5n70j.gifv
2017-08-29T04:58:24 < dongs> lul
2017-08-29T04:58:27 < dongs> that imae is so fucking old tho
2017-08-29T04:58:30 < dongs> it was converted to gif
2017-08-29T04:58:31 < dongs> then to mp4
2017-08-29T04:58:37 < dongs> image, too
2017-08-29T04:58:43 < dongs> ya absmax 7V
2017-08-29T04:58:43 < dongs> fuck
2017-08-29T04:58:48 < dongs> so one more part to remove off this thing
2017-08-29T04:59:38 < aandrew> yep they've got that oxide layer optimized to hell
2017-08-29T04:59:44 < aandrew> not one milivolt over absmax
2017-08-29T05:00:57 < aandrew> ugh
2017-08-29T05:00:59 < aandrew> so unmotivated
2017-08-29T05:01:14 < aandrew> I need to smoke some natto
2017-08-29T05:05:11 < dongs> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/28/546800290/interpol-calls-for-arrest-of-fugitive-red-bull-heir-thai-police-say haha
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2017-08-29T05:07:14 < dongs> apparently best korea fired a missile on japan
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2017-08-29T05:50:33 < dongs> oh fucking WOW
2017-08-29T05:50:42 < dongs> attn emeb_mac
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2017-08-29T06:00:11 < dongs> so i spend a few mins this morning tryin to find a 'bottom mounted encoder' that these chinese jews mounted on my board
2017-08-29T06:00:26 < dongs> its screwed through the board, and the 3 pins are pointed up
2017-08-29T06:00:44 < dongs> i sent hotpics to chiangirl and she tells me a few mins later
2017-08-29T06:00:47 < dongs> its this one http://www.alps.com/prod/info/E/HTML/Encoder/Incremental/EC12E/EC12E2430803.html#Product Varieties
2017-08-29T06:00:57 < dongs> im like, err, that one is top-mounted.
2017-08-29T06:01:15 < dongs> shes like, yeah, they just bend the pins backwards and mount it bottom-up
2017-08-29T06:01:27 < dongs> i look closely at the board and thats exactly whats happening
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2017-08-29T06:04:21 < aandrew> dongs: nice, I gotta find me a chinagirl like that to source shit for me
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2017-08-29T06:09:26 < dongs> aandrew: the lol part is chinks just bending pins to make it board mount
2017-08-29T06:09:41 < aandrew> that's nothing new
2017-08-29T06:16:09 < emeb_mac> lol at pinbending
2017-08-29T06:16:57 < emeb_mac> dongs: the products I'm working on now use 36-ppr Grayhill optical encoders
2017-08-29T06:17:13 < dongs> emeb_mac: does 16-detent thing exist?
2017-08-29T06:17:24 < dongs> these dicks put 16 leds around the knob and they wanna click per led
2017-08-29T06:17:30 < dongs> but all cheap china shit has 12 or 24
2017-08-29T06:17:32 < emeb_mac> dongs: Don't think I've seen 16
2017-08-29T06:17:39 < dongs> thats what i thought
2017-08-29T06:17:42 < emeb_mac> 12, 24, 36
2017-08-29T06:17:45 < aandrew> haha
2017-08-29T06:23:59 < branjb> dongs: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1474
2017-08-29T06:24:38 < dongs> ..
2017-08-29T06:24:59 < aandrew> I've got a set of those
2017-08-29T06:25:12 < aandrew> didn't buy them though
2017-08-29T06:25:19 < aandrew> they came with the reload:pro I bought
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2017-08-29T06:38:11 < englishman> whoa
2017-08-29T06:38:13 < englishman> arachnid labs?
2017-08-29T06:38:33 < englishman> like the arachnophilia html editor?
2017-08-29T06:39:12 < englishman> guess not, some shitty cloner
2017-08-29T06:40:05 < dongs> no, some retard MAKE:R
2017-08-29T06:51:29 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/iph0NkH.jpg
2017-08-29T06:54:48 < Thorn> is stm32 powerful enough for real time G.729 or G.723?
2017-08-29T06:57:26 < englishman> probably, but dont you want to use Intel Edison instead?
2017-08-29T06:57:31 < englishman> you still have 19 days to buy some
2017-08-29T06:58:14 < englishman> 729 is just 8kbps right
2017-08-29T06:58:19 < englishman> but 726 is higher?
2017-08-29T06:58:53 < englishman> should be fine if its just one stream?
2017-08-29T07:02:34 < Thorn> 723 is 5 or so
2017-08-29T07:02:51 < Thorn> and I may need up to 4 streams
2017-08-29T07:03:37 < Thorn> btw the cougar is alive https://pp.userapi.com/c841130/v841130493/155d0/QTglHiYFwqk.jpg
2017-08-29T07:04:13 < Thorn> dunno how much they spent on vets
2017-08-29T07:04:47 < englishman> what happened
2017-08-29T07:04:55 < englishman> and is that a different chick
2017-08-29T07:05:37 < Thorn> there was a nuclear breakup l0l
2017-08-29T07:05:49 < Thorn> he bought the kitten in the middle of it
2017-08-29T07:06:11 < Thorn> the kitten nearly died from stomach problems
2017-08-29T07:06:25 < aandrew> Thorn: an F7 or H7 could probably do a few channels of 729
2017-08-29T07:06:36 < aandrew> I'm willing to bet your local ST rep would have a lot of data on that
2017-08-29T07:12:57 < Thorn> >my local ST rep
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2017-08-29T07:14:27 < dongs> thorn is a chep fuck
2017-08-29T07:14:50 < dongs> there will be no freetard 729 codecs for ST
2017-08-29T07:15:05 < dongs> there will be commercial ones, for $$
2017-08-29T07:15:11 < dongs> closed sores as well
2017-08-29T07:16:28 < englishman> i got in touch with cypress tech support
2017-08-29T07:16:34 < englishman> after finding new chip errata
2017-08-29T07:16:40 < englishman> he told me my eeprom is corrupt
2017-08-29T07:16:42 < dongs> did R2COM help you out
2017-08-29T07:16:46 < englishman> we are not using eeprom
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2017-08-29T07:18:54 < englishman> r2com and help do not belong in the same sentence
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2017-08-29T07:25:32 < englishman> curt
2017-08-29T07:25:44 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/C5XFs81.jpg?1
2017-08-29T07:28:29 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c841130/v841130492/1377a/_vxjGS_oFdQ.jpg
2017-08-29T07:31:02 < englishman> do russian bride sites still work if you dont export them
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2017-08-29T08:03:38 < aandrew> should I feel bad asking for a $10k retainer on a new project?
2017-08-29T08:04:24 < jpa-> why should you?
2017-08-29T08:04:34 < aandrew> I shouldn't
2017-08-29T08:05:02 < englishman> of course not
2017-08-29T08:05:04 < aandrew> I am also a little leery with these dudes so money up front
2017-08-29T08:05:29 < englishman> in that case, definitely
2017-08-29T08:46:09 < dongs> ickstarter
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2017-08-29T09:03:43 < ohsix> https://www.tindie.com/products/kilpelaj/core-memory-shield-for-arduino/
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2017-08-29T09:34:16 < zyp> dongs, say, the chinese cable guys that did the other cables for me, they could also do JST ZPD, right?
2017-08-29T09:34:55 < dongs> i don't see why not, tho lately they're bitchy about any order less than 500-1k pcs
2017-08-29T09:37:04 < zyp> yeah, figured
2017-08-29T09:37:23 < zyp> people here are discussing whether to put ZPD or molex milligrid on some stuff
2017-08-29T09:39:22 < zyp> I don't really care either way, but I figure ZPD is preferable since it's smaller
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2017-08-29T10:02:00 < zyp> hrm
2017-08-29T10:02:31 < zyp> I printed a 17 page schematic to review on friday, haven't really started yet, and now people emailed me an updated revision
2017-08-29T10:03:58 < ohsix> h3h, what kind of review?
2017-08-29T10:04:39 < ohsix> i think people are getting annoyed at me telling them to add marked gnd/vcc / some other stuff on everything i see
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2017-08-29T10:26:28 < Steffanx> What is that englishman?
2017-08-29T10:35:51 < zyp> ohsix, schematic, making sure the people that are designing this hardware haven't made any fuckups
2017-08-29T10:37:11 < Steffanx> From a sw point of view or do you also check the hardcore analog stuff(if any)?
2017-08-29T10:37:22 < zyp> well
2017-08-29T10:38:14 < zyp> last prototype only had the analog stuff, not the mcu/digital block
2017-08-29T10:39:26 < zyp> somebody fucked up the gain setting on some signal amplifiers, and I didn't catch it until I had it on my desk
2017-08-29T10:40:04 < zyp> I was calculating the multiplication factor for the ADC settings and got a number that made no sense at all
2017-08-29T10:40:16 < zyp> ADC samples*
2017-08-29T10:40:28 < zyp> so, yeah
2017-08-29T11:11:27 < dongs> neat
2017-08-29T11:11:33 < dongs> got some dead chinaclone chips
2017-08-29T11:11:36 < dongs> of atmel product
2017-08-29T11:11:40 < dongs> same package/footprint, nothing inside
2017-08-29T11:16:54 < zyp> nothing at all? just empty leadframe/case?
2017-08-29T11:17:46 < dongs> that seems to be the case
2017-08-29T11:18:05 < zyp> did you xray it?
2017-08-29T11:18:25 < dongs> dont have xray in this office. gonna test pins for continuity to know gnd pins
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2017-08-29T11:20:29 < Thorn> ball-peen xray
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2017-08-29T11:26:22 < tomeaton17> Which library is recommended for quick development? I tried the HAL drivers but I didn't like them.
2017-08-29T11:26:54 < zyp> what's your dev environment?
2017-08-29T11:28:23 < dongs> for quick development? definitely HAL
2017-08-29T11:28:39 < tomeaton17> I am working on Linux with arm-none-eabi on stm32f1xx
2017-08-29T11:28:52 < zyp> then you might like libopencm3
2017-08-29T11:29:20 < dongs> at least libaidscm3 might acutally support most f1 periperals by now
2017-08-29T11:39:18 < tomeaton17> That looks nice, I will have a play with it and let you know my thoughts.
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2017-08-29T11:52:36 < stvn> let's go fishing
2017-08-29T12:10:45 < Steffanx> Have proper equipment?
2017-08-29T12:20:56 < stvn> take full care.
2017-08-29T12:21:49 < stvn> sorry, full take care.
2017-08-29T12:21:51 < stvn> do everything.
2017-08-29T12:23:05 < stvn> Steffanx, are you back
2017-08-29T12:23:19 < dongs> so apparently real tape & reel from atmel have marking on the tape itself as well
2017-08-29T12:23:23 < Steffanx> Was i gone stvn?
2017-08-29T12:23:39 < stvn> could have been.
2017-08-29T12:23:46 < Steffanx> Maybe
2017-08-29T12:23:56 < stvn> dongs, have the cloners come
2017-08-29T12:24:35 < Steffanx> I bet dongs ignores you stvn
2017-08-29T12:24:48 < stvn> not sure
2017-08-29T12:25:16 < stvn> i still want litz wire
2017-08-29T12:25:21 < Steffanx> I cannot image you could ever ignore such smart guy, but.. in this case..
2017-08-29T12:25:42 < stvn> image?
2017-08-29T12:26:01 < Steffanx> Imagine
2017-08-29T12:26:04 < Steffanx> Close enough
2017-08-29T12:27:38 < stvn> yup
2017-08-29T12:27:49 < tomeaton17> Does anyone know how to upload a compiled libopencm3 with stm32flash
2017-08-29T12:27:52 < stvn> the magnetics steffan
2017-08-29T12:30:56 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: what's the problem with it?
2017-08-29T12:32:18 < dongs> ERROR: SORES TOO OPEN, ABORT/RETRY/IGNORE
2017-08-29T12:32:42 < stvn> hmmm
2017-08-29T12:32:45 < stvn> those sores.
2017-08-29T12:34:35 < PaulFertser> dongs: were you actually annoyed with stm32flash sources when you're porting it to a uC?
2017-08-29T12:42:30 < dongs> PaulFertser: it wasnt too terrible! i only had to do minimal fixes and implemented a port_stm32
2017-08-29T12:42:35 < stvn> PeterM are you alive
2017-08-29T12:46:16 < tomeaton17> PaulFerster: I couldn't get it to make a .bin file but I got it working now thanks!
2017-08-29T12:50:44 < stvn> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/692/GS66504B%20DS%20Rev%20160229-938232.pdf
2017-08-29T12:50:47 < stvn> isn't that pretty
2017-08-29T12:54:44 < dongs> .bin files are for newbs
2017-08-29T12:55:28 < dongs> stvn, $20/ea?
2017-08-29T12:55:43 < dongs> $12, c lose
2017-08-29T12:56:56 < tomeaton17> I am a newb
2017-08-29T12:57:38 < stvn> dongs: Very high switching frequency (> 100 MHz)
2017-08-29T13:00:55 < Steffanx> Better amplify your sanity.
2017-08-29T13:19:28 < Steffanx> Hows diptrace stvn ?
2017-08-29T13:19:38 < stvn> clean
2017-08-29T13:22:55 < stvn> more busy doing simulations this week
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2017-08-29T13:35:49 < stvn> stiffcock
2017-08-29T13:42:18 < Steffanx> Where you born like this?
2017-08-29T13:45:10 < stvn> possibly
2017-08-29T13:45:57 < tomeaton17> Eh I am not sure about libopencm3
2017-08-29T13:50:56 < stvn> wwwhy
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2017-08-29T13:54:53 < stvn> SHIT
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2017-08-29T14:47:04 < Laurenceb> Why dem dey call Hurricane human being name?
2017-08-29T14:47:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-41077102
2017-08-29T14:47:19 < Laurenceb> >this is real
2017-08-29T14:47:24 < Laurenceb> what a time to be alive
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2017-08-29T15:14:01 < karlp> ahhh, just for fun.... http://www.semtech.com/images/wireless-rf/Wireless-RF-banner3.jpg
2017-08-29T15:14:25 < tomeaton17> I am stil undecided, would it be better to develop using no libraries, use something like HAL or use something like libopencm3? I am brand new to uC development.
2017-08-29T15:16:42 < c10ud^> karlp, someone messed up the pcb
2017-08-29T15:17:28 < Steffanx> Imho youll learn more from using registers or maybe libopencm3 tomeaton17
2017-08-29T15:18:48 < Steffanx> (i see libopencm3 as something in between bare register use and ST HAL stuff)
2017-08-29T15:19:21 < tomeaton17> Does libopencm3 have support for all of the peripherals?
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2017-08-29T15:20:33 < Steffanx> Depends on the family you use i think
2017-08-29T15:20:55 < Steffanx> There is also #libopencm3 btw
2017-08-29T15:21:08 < Steffanx> Oh you are there
2017-08-29T15:21:29 < emeryth> libopencm3 is a mess, I don't think it's good for learning
2017-08-29T15:22:06 < emeryth> ST libraries at least have an example for each peripheral function
2017-08-29T15:24:20 < tomeaton17> What do you guys use?
2017-08-29T15:26:03 < emeryth> I'm still clinging on to old stdperiph libraries
2017-08-29T15:29:02 < tomeaton17> And HAL is the latest version of that?
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2017-08-29T15:43:52 < emeryth> kind of
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2017-08-29T15:47:50 < emeryth> the new Low Layer API is supposed to be more like stdperiph
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2017-08-29T16:12:42 < englishman> Steffanx: my hallertauer
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2017-08-29T16:19:55 < karlp> boring hop
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2017-08-29T16:26:56 < englishman> says the guy who mixes non alcoholic beer and brennivin
2017-08-29T16:28:03 < karlp> fuck no.
2017-08-29T16:28:16 < karlp> that was those heathens here who though banning beer was a good idea.
2017-08-29T16:28:25 < karlp> I had no part in that.
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2017-08-29T16:33:52 < tomeaton17> Does anyone have a working example of UART echo on the STM32F103? I am trying to see if there is a problem with my ftdi breakout because the characters are being dropped in the echo
2017-08-29T16:36:33 < karlp> uart echo is dumb anyway, you always get confused by your own characters. make it print some fixed strings in response to differetn characters
2017-08-29T16:36:54 < tomeaton17> Alright
2017-08-29T16:52:15 < tomeaton17> I couldn't get the comparison to work, is this the correct way to do it ? https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/c612b769ea645b77c7e134553366bc44 line 78
2017-08-29T17:02:36 < Laurenceb> can anyone here help me write a usb device descriptor?
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2017-08-29T17:03:31 < Laurenceb> I've tried some copypasta but its not working
2017-08-29T17:03:39 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/MH3G8dTR
2017-08-29T17:03:57 < Laurenceb> I added the USBD_FS_Mic_ConfigDescriptor stuff
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2017-08-29T17:06:36 < Laurenceb> I'll pastebin what i see
2017-08-29T17:07:35 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/7WtWeEqE
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2017-08-29T17:11:36 < zyp> uh
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2017-08-29T17:12:02 < zyp> lsusb is reading totally different stuff from what you are describing, are you sure that's the descriptor that gets sent?
2017-08-29T17:12:57 < zyp> I mean, wTotalLength and bmAttributes doesn't match at all
2017-08-29T17:13:07 < zyp> in the base config descriptor itself
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2017-08-29T17:27:23 < Laurenceb> I think I've screwed up that file
2017-08-29T17:27:47 < Laurenceb> I need to edit USBD_FS_DeviceDesc  ?
2017-08-29T17:30:27 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe not
2017-08-29T17:30:30  * Laurenceb confused
2017-08-29T17:34:16 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/fVU6mrsG
2017-08-29T17:35:57 < tomeaton17> karlp: I have sort of implemented what you said, but it only sends the specific string when I next send it data. Here is my code https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/e0fd672214b3c8006f414bf92dd15c17 it seems like "nicenice" is being added to a buffer and only sent when it next receives data? How do I get it to send data as soon as it recognises the character?
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2017-08-29T17:44:25 < Laurenceb> I hate cube :(
2017-08-29T17:44:39 < Laurenceb> I can't find where the usb conf stuff is coming from
2017-08-29T17:45:33 < tpw_rules> <insert timecube quote>
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2017-08-29T17:47:24 < Laurenceb> heh
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2017-08-29T17:47:35 < Laurenceb> it has an audio out endpoint
2017-08-29T17:47:41 < Laurenceb> cant find it in the source :(
2017-08-29T17:48:16 < Laurenceb> usbd_desc.c in Src is the descriptor right?
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2017-08-29T17:57:15 < tomeaton17> I am having a really weird issue with STM32 Uart transfer. My code is working but if I send alot of bytes it always drops the same bytes everytime. Can somebody please try my code https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/aa866add0b656dee2759bcf946356ac5 to see if it is my hardware?
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2017-08-29T18:05:59 < Laurenceb> blame the Patriarchy?
2017-08-29T18:06:07 < Laurenceb> they stole ur bytes
2017-08-29T18:06:52 < zyp> Laurenceb, no, devdesc is fixed size, everything else is nested under conf desc
2017-08-29T18:07:07 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-08-29T18:08:28 < Laurenceb> must be hiding somewhere
2017-08-29T18:08:38 < Laurenceb> but I've never used cube before :-/
2017-08-29T18:09:34 < tomeaton17> For example if I send 1234567812345678 to the board the board sends back to me 123456781235678
2017-08-29T18:09:43 < Laurenceb> I tried to add USBD_FS_Mic_ConfigDescriptor to FS_Desc
2017-08-29T18:10:08 < tomeaton17> What happens to the 4th byte in the second series of 8 bytes?
2017-08-29T18:11:18 < zyp> sounds like an overrun
2017-08-29T18:11:22 < tpw_rules> that's probably when all the clocks coincide and overrun
2017-08-29T18:11:45 < tpw_rules> hal_uart_transmit doesn't have a very big buffer (maybe one char?) and transmitting a character takes the same amount of time as receiving it
2017-08-29T18:12:31 < tpw_rules> so you're probably doing the loop in like 1.01 character times and after 12 the error accumulates and you drop an input
2017-08-29T18:13:51 < tomeaton17> So I must wait for all data to be received before transmitting? So something like keep reading and adding to message buffer until reach end of transmission and then send the buffer back
2017-08-29T18:13:58 < tomeaton17> would that work?
2017-08-29T18:14:22 < zyp> not necessarily
2017-08-29T18:14:28 < zyp> in both senses
2017-08-29T18:14:44 < zyp> overruns is basically a flow control problem
2017-08-29T18:14:45 < tpw_rules> but you'll need at least a couple of characters buffer, and to use nonblocking versions of the functions
2017-08-29T18:15:20 < tomeaton17> using receive_it? I also experienced this problem using that
2017-08-29T18:15:30 < dongs> bwaaahaha
2017-08-29T18:15:36 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brentmorgan/superscreen/posts/1973941
2017-08-29T18:15:57 < englishman> karlp: http://i.imgur.com/J4NzfOl.jpg
2017-08-29T18:15:59 < dongs> i was out of the loop
2017-08-29T18:16:05 < dongs> due2being in 3rd world
2017-08-29T18:16:06 < englishman> thats just one plant, i have four
2017-08-29T18:16:08 < zyp> if you wanna avoid overruns, you either need some sort of flow control mechanism, or a guarantee that downstream will always process at least as fast as upstream
2017-08-29T18:16:12 < dongs> but fukken lol @ superscam
2017-08-29T18:16:29 < englishman> they need another year? lol
2017-08-29T18:16:38 < englishman> to wait for someone else to invent the technology so they can clone it?
2017-08-29T18:16:57 < dongs> maybe in a year they'll say they need another year for assdroid 9.0
2017-08-29T18:17:05 < englishman> customized firmware
2017-08-29T18:17:12 < dongs> BUG FREE OS BUILD
2017-08-29T18:17:16 < tomeaton17> zyp: Damn. I didn't think it would be this complex for a uart echo program.
2017-08-29T18:17:29 < englishman> $2.5m hmm did not know it was that much
2017-08-29T18:17:48 < karlp> this one made the news here today: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/anitar/anitar-reinventing-technology-for-todays-vets-and
2017-08-29T18:18:01 < karlp> englishman: nice vines :)
2017-08-29T18:18:31 < karlp> there's a fewpeople here trying to grow them as a hobby, but they're struggling with them
2017-08-29T18:19:37 < zyp> tomeaton17, well, you should in theory be able to send as fast as you're receiving, if you eliminate all firmware overhead
2017-08-29T18:20:00 < zyp> but you can't do that with blocking functions :)
2017-08-29T18:20:25 < tomeaton17> So I should have a go with IT transmit functions?
2017-08-29T18:20:27 < tpw_rules> tomeaton17: the correct way would be to hook in interrupts for "character received" and "character transmitted"
2017-08-29T18:20:42 < zyp> actually, blocking functions should work if the send function is only blocking if it's already busy
2017-08-29T18:20:42 < tpw_rules> then have received stash one into a buffer of a few chars and transmitted send one off
2017-08-29T18:21:01 < zyp> but if you're blocking until sent, it won't work
2017-08-29T18:21:19 < tpw_rules> zyp: i'm not sure that can work if input baud rate is < output baud rate for some reason
2017-08-29T18:21:40 < tpw_rules> or >
2017-08-29T18:21:51 < zyp> tpw_rules, how can input baudrate be higher than output baudrate when it's the same?
2017-08-29T18:22:10 < tomeaton17> using RxCpltCallback?
2017-08-29T18:22:21 < englishman> karlp: struggling how
2017-08-29T18:22:30 < zyp> (to be fair, it can, since sender sets actual baudrate and they can differ
2017-08-29T18:22:31 < karlp> just not growing well here.
2017-08-29T18:22:32 < englishman> they are picky but when you get their environment right, they are really weeds
2017-08-29T18:22:42 < tpw_rules> zyp: yeah, exactly
2017-08-29T18:22:53 < karlp> I'm guessing these have mostly been brewers, not gardeners though
2017-08-29T18:22:56 < tpw_rules> if the sender sends at 9610, you'll eventually get caught with no buffer
2017-08-29T18:23:01 < englishman> well i am certainly no gardener
2017-08-29T18:23:13 < zyp> tpw_rules, assuming link is and stays saturated
2017-08-29T18:23:25 < tpw_rules> or maybe if the f1 sending only 'completes' at the end of the stop bit and receiving is done at the start or middle
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2017-08-29T18:25:56 < tomeaton17> https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/aa866add0b656dee2759bcf946356ac5 this should be updated with interrupts but still the same problems
2017-08-29T18:27:02 < Thorn> IRQHandler() { char c = RDR; while(!TXE);; TDR = c;}
2017-08-29T18:27:15 < Thorn> all that is needed
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2017-08-29T18:27:27 < dongs> its faster cuz its all on one line and is missing void
2017-08-29T18:27:28 < Thorn> (RXNE interrupt is enabled)
2017-08-29T18:27:29 < dongs> you FUCKING FAGGOT
2017-08-29T18:27:41 < aandrew> lol
2017-08-29T18:27:50 < dongs> if you were working for me and wrote shit like this, you'd be out of hte fucking door or fed to cougars
2017-08-29T18:28:16 < tomeaton17> Thorne: What is going on there
2017-08-29T18:28:24 < zyp> haha
2017-08-29T18:28:25 < dongs> a line full of shitcode
2017-08-29T18:28:27 < dongs> is what
2017-08-29T18:28:31 < Thorn> dongs didn't take his medicine
2017-08-29T18:28:54 < Thorn> it's pseudocode
2017-08-29T18:28:54 < aandrew> love that superscreen update
2017-08-29T18:29:11 < tomeaton17> Please can you explain it
2017-08-29T18:29:22 < aandrew> * answer questiosn nobody is asking, then * drop the bomb that they're pushing out delivery again
2017-08-29T18:29:32 < dongs> I will be away from Ars Technica on book leave starting Sunday August 27 through September 10, 2017. I will be returning to a normal schedule on Monday, September 11.
2017-08-29T18:29:35 < dongs> hol shit
2017-08-29T18:29:40 < dongs> cyrus farivar did wtc
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2017-08-29T18:30:15 < dongs> aandrew: usual scams delay by a month or two
2017-08-29T18:30:20 < dongs> this guy went full retard
2017-08-29T18:30:24 < aandrew> yep
2017-08-29T18:30:29 < aandrew> that's ... wow
2017-08-29T18:30:39 < BrainDam1> if they give up their weird 'smart interaction' they could simply use miracast and use builtin os functions
2017-08-29T18:30:50 < aandrew> BrainDam1: but that'd mean they'd have to deliver
2017-08-29T18:30:51 < dongs> BrainDam1: thats what their demo videos did
2017-08-29T18:30:59 < dongs> just using samsung screen mirroring
2017-08-29T18:31:04 < dongs> teh catch there is that it onyl works with samsung shit!
2017-08-29T18:31:19 < dongs> and it was shitty/slow cuz wifi is crap for this kinda stuff anyway.
2017-08-29T18:31:41 < dongs> have you seen their facebook? everyfucking day the've been spamming some useless shit
2017-08-29T18:31:49 < dongs> https://www.facebook.com/thesuperscreen fuckme-in-the-ass-mondays
2017-08-29T18:32:23 < Laurenceb> facebook
2017-08-29T18:32:25 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-08-29T18:35:50 < Laurenceb> https://bp.langweiledich.net/CDLXII/LangweileDich.net_Bilderparade_CDLXII_77.jpg
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2017-08-29T18:36:34 < aandrew> dongs: tell me you didn't back that
2017-08-29T18:37:05 < aandrew> Thorn: what're you doing with STM32, E1s and g729? telephony projects are long gone, everything's been invented
2017-08-29T18:37:23 < dongs> aandrew: haha of course not. what the hell.
2017-08-29T18:37:54 < Laurenceb> yeah yeah yeah
2017-08-29T18:37:57 < Laurenceb> but dude
2017-08-29T18:37:58 < englishman> maybe he wants to make a voip snitcher
2017-08-29T18:38:00 < Laurenceb> freaking
2017-08-29T18:38:05 < Laurenceb> thats where its at
2017-08-29T18:38:06 < dongs> Laurenceb: fcucking lol
2017-08-29T18:38:12 < dongs> @ twatterpic
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2017-08-29T18:39:43 < tomeaton17> Thorn, but should my code only send or receive when either one of those is complete? I thought that R(T)xCpltCallback was called when transmission was finished
2017-08-29T18:44:39 < Thorn> you should send when you can send (when the fifo is empty)
2017-08-29T18:44:58 < aandrew> tomeaton17: people always make comms harder than they have to be
2017-08-29T18:45:19 < Thorn> why would you wait for transmission to complete
2017-08-29T18:45:45 < Thorn> that alone makes your tx slower than rx
2017-08-29T18:46:43 < aandrew> your userspace putc() should write to a fifo and enable TXE. Your ISR empties the FIFO as long as there's room in the hardware, and clears TXE if there's nothing in the FIFO. ON the rx side, you grab all the chars you can and dump into FIFO, signalling userspace if you need to. If you wanna get fancy you can try to work around errors by not putting errored bytes into the FIFO (but still reading them from HW to clear the error).
2017-08-29T18:47:10 < aandrew> that's really it. If you need to do fancier shit like notification when a particular message has been sent you can create a more elaborate FIFO but I strongly recommend against it
2017-08-29T18:48:17 < Thorn> aandrew: basically there may be some interest in digital intercoms for utility companies
2017-08-29T18:50:34 < aandrew> ok but why E1s? why not just do that shit VOIP
2017-08-29T18:50:53 < aandrew> do the E1s already exist at all the locations and are currently unused?
2017-08-29T18:51:08 < aandrew> doing PRI on an STM woudl be possible but that's a lotof additional overhead
2017-08-29T18:51:12 < Laurenceb> anyone here used cubemx for custom usb devices?
2017-08-29T18:51:13 < aandrew> and channelized E1s are rare
2017-08-29T18:51:27 < aandrew> Laurenceb: I did but it was a long time ago, I wouldn't be much help
2017-08-29T18:51:34 < Laurenceb> k
2017-08-29T18:51:41 < Laurenceb> did you add new endpoints?
2017-08-29T18:51:55 < Laurenceb> I can't work out where I add/edit stuff
2017-08-29T18:52:14 < aandrew> I seem to remember some fuckery
2017-08-29T18:52:29 < aandrew> their USB stack is convoluted not necessarily becuase it's bad but because USB itself is convoluted
2017-08-29T18:53:42 < Laurenceb> yeah tell me about it
2017-08-29T18:53:54 < Laurenceb> USBD_DescriptorsTypeDef FS_Desc
2017-08-29T18:54:06 < Laurenceb> ^ I tried to edit that but it looks like I was doing it wrong
2017-08-29T18:54:17 < tomeaton17> So what must I change in my code?
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2017-08-29T18:55:34 < Laurenceb> aha
2017-08-29T18:55:35 < Laurenceb> https://community.st.com/thread/40591-usb-audio-microphone
2017-08-29T18:55:46 < Laurenceb> its in the "Middlewares" folder
2017-08-29T18:58:05 < Thorn> aandrew: actually not sure yet, it's a long way until any firm requirements or scope. just exploring possibilities
2017-08-29T18:58:31 < aandrew> Thorn: np, that's the interesting part of a new project... trying to figure out what they really want
2017-08-29T18:58:40 < aandrew> then you put together a proposal and they choke becuase you want ot make a living
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2017-08-29T19:00:32 < karlp> heh, end of 2018. I hadn't read that post earlier :)
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2017-08-29T19:04:33 < englishman> scope creep = profit creep
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2017-08-29T19:13:38 < dongs> need add 4 speakers
2017-08-29T19:13:50 < dongs> plz giv 3 mil
2017-08-29T19:17:26 < Steffanx> oh noes, phil tweeted, but he did an ohsix: no context.
2017-08-29T19:17:51 < dongs> Steffanx: context: superscreen
2017-08-29T19:17:55 < dongs> already tweeted in here
2017-08-29T19:18:01 < dongs>  < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brentmorgan/superscreen/posts/1973941
2017-08-29T19:18:09 < Steffanx> Yes, but this is irc and twitter is twitter :)
2017-08-29T19:18:32 < karlp> how does one provide one's own assert implementation with newlib?
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2017-08-29T19:21:42 < dongs> karlp, don't write code shit enough to require asserts
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2017-08-29T19:21:55 < dongs> karlp: funny story, my HAL PAL was raging few days agou about SDIO being broken in HAL rite
2017-08-29T19:22:03 < dongs> so he found out about this assert thing in HAL
2017-08-29T19:22:09 < dongs> and goes on to enable it
2017-08-29T19:22:15 < dongs> ST's own fuckign code causes endless asserts
2017-08-29T19:22:23 < dongs> before shit even got to his code
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2017-08-29T19:24:38 < karlp> dongs: was just considering whether it was "nicer" to use assert() stuff
2017-08-29T19:24:54 < karlp> or if (assertion) { my_own_assertion_handler() } all over the place.
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2017-08-29T19:30:40 < englishman> anyone here use jira or trello or shit like that
2017-08-29T19:31:19 < dongs> we tried to use trello for pcb biz
2017-08-29T19:31:23 < dongs> stopped after a week
2017-08-29T19:31:26 < dongs> useless cloud garbage
2017-08-29T19:31:39 < dongs> just picking up the phone or shatting = way easier
2017-08-29T19:31:40 < englishman> what did you end up using
2017-08-29T19:31:43 < dongs> ^ this
2017-08-29T19:31:45 < englishman> kanban + post it notes
2017-08-29T19:31:50 < dongs> you got it
2017-08-29T19:32:05 < englishman> isnt the point to keep track of shit that isnt done tho
2017-08-29T19:32:25 < dongs> yes
2017-08-29T19:32:30 < dongs> so when i notice a week later that shit isnt done
2017-08-29T19:32:36 < dongs> i have to ragecall and ask "where the fuck is shit"
2017-08-29T19:32:44 < englishman> well your memory is better than mine
2017-08-29T19:32:49 < englishman> so i need post it notes
2017-08-29T19:33:02 < englishman> or a digital equivalent
2017-08-29T19:33:20 < dongs> win10 has that sticky notes thing
2017-08-29T19:33:23 < dongs> i use that as well
2017-08-29T19:33:29 < dongs> start->sticky->enter
2017-08-29T19:33:50 < englishman> hmh
2017-08-29T19:33:53 < englishman> neat for desktop but
2017-08-29T19:34:02 < dongs> keep.google.com
2017-08-29T19:34:08 < englishman> that, i use a lot
2017-08-29T19:39:10 < karlp> we use jira, I used to like it more,
2017-08-29T19:39:16 < karlp> but they've been making it shittier and shittier
2017-08-29T19:39:25 < dongs> javaier and javaier
2017-08-29T19:39:25 < karlp> I don't use any of it's agile board shit,
2017-08-29T19:39:34 < dongs> bedtime.
2017-08-29T19:39:38 < dongs> today i showed up at taiwan office at 9am
2017-08-29T19:39:40 < dongs> nobody there
2017-08-29T19:39:41 < dongs> door locoked
2017-08-29T19:39:43 < dongs> locked ,too
2017-08-29T19:39:47 < dongs> fucking lazy cunts
2017-08-29T19:39:53 < BrainDam1> for personal projects i just slap plain text files in git repos
2017-08-29T19:40:11 < dongs> TODO~1.TXT
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2017-08-29T19:58:29 < upgrdman> in altidongs, for a schematic symbol that im making, is it possible to specify the defualt location for the refdes and description and any visible params?
2017-08-29T19:59:07 < aandrew> upgrdman: I haven't found it
2017-08-29T19:59:15 < aandrew> mind you I ignore that entirely until last phase of layout
2017-08-29T19:59:15 < upgrdman> :( so sad
2017-08-29T19:59:40 < aandrew> I turn off the copper, turn on soldermask and silk. select all text and resize, then go on a placement frenzy
2017-08-29T19:59:47 < upgrdman> i must be more autistic than you. i can't even begin trace layout until my text is positioned right
2017-08-29T19:59:54 < aandrew> how?
2017-08-29T20:00:01 < aandrew> turn off silk entirely
2017-08-29T20:00:04 < aandrew> you don't need it during layout
2017-08-29T20:00:11 < upgrdman> schematic symbol... not pcb footprint
2017-08-29T20:00:17 < aandrew> oh
2017-08-29T20:00:37 < aandrew> thinking
2017-08-29T20:00:58 < aandrew> in sch lib they're invisible and then they appear where ever when placing a sch partj, right?
2017-08-29T20:01:55 < upgrdman> in sch lib the desc is invisible, but the param that i make visible are visible. but positioning those params seems to have zero effect on where they get placed in the schematic.
2017-08-29T20:02:25 < aandrew> ah
2017-08-29T20:02:50 < aandrew> in sch the designators are suually somewehre somewhat sane but I do move them around when I feel they're in the way of a nice trace
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2017-08-29T20:12:24 < Steffanx> i believe you can. I think i followed some tutorial once that did it
2017-08-29T20:12:29 < Steffanx> but .. dont remember how
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2017-08-29T20:46:29 < englishman> Do you have experience in Open Source Investigations?
2017-08-29T20:46:33 < englishman> Do you own a 3D printer?
2017-08-29T20:46:43 < englishman> Do you have a laptop running TAILS that you only use on public wifi?
2017-08-29T20:47:03 < englishman> You might be a perfect fit as Internet Firearms Investigator for the Horsey Police of Canada!
2017-08-29T20:47:07 < englishman> http://calibremag.ca/rcmp-hiring-internet-firearms-investigator/
2017-08-29T20:48:12 < englishman> * Applicants with high level skills in meme creation will be given extra consideration.
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2017-08-29T20:55:07 < BrainDam2> i for one would welcome meme police, at least laurenceb would be motivated to improve his shitposts' quality
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2017-08-29T21:00:17 < zyp> http://www.st.com/en/secure-mcus/st31-arm-sc000.html <- this shit seems kinda fun
2017-08-29T21:00:34 < zyp> if I understand it right, it's basically a NFC card with cortex-m0
2017-08-29T21:01:54 < Steffanx> ARM® SecurCore® SC000 sounds like something more obscure to me
2017-08-29T21:02:07 < zyp> no
2017-08-29T21:02:13 < zyp> https://developer.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-m/sc000-processor
2017-08-29T21:02:19 < Steffanx> oh i see indeed
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2017-08-29T21:04:12 < englishman> with no flash and only program ROM don't you have to order silicon with your program in it?
2017-08-29T21:04:32 < zyp> idk, I suspect it might mean write-once
2017-08-29T21:05:10 < englishman> not a super detailed datasheet
2017-08-29T21:05:48 < englishman> i sincerely doubt it is write-once, but id love to be wrong
2017-08-29T21:05:56 < zyp> probably NDA
2017-08-29T21:07:28 < englishman> ah theres some with flash
2017-08-29T21:09:15 < zyp> anybody seen any other programmable NFC stuff?
2017-08-29T21:09:58 < karlp> only those eeprom things on the st evalboards
2017-08-29T21:10:21 < zyp> yeah, I've looked at those, they aren't very suitable for what I want to do
2017-08-29T21:10:35 < zyp> they are basically a nfc/i2c dual mode eeprom
2017-08-29T21:10:40 < karlp> yeah
2017-08-29T21:10:57 < zyp> I want something that can actually exchange handshakes
2017-08-29T21:11:46 < englishman> tbh sounds like a job for separate mcu
2017-08-29T21:13:16 < englishman> but dono
2017-08-29T21:13:29 < englishman> a real mcu with nfc onchip?
2017-08-29T21:13:40 < zyp> yeah, passively powered
2017-08-29T21:13:56 < englishman> maybe nxp?
2017-08-29T21:14:05 < zyp> the m24lr/sr stuff has power harvesting, but that doesn't look very reliable
2017-08-29T21:14:20 < zyp> maybe? any part suggestions?
2017-08-29T21:15:18 < englishman> i think they are all i2c
2017-08-29T21:15:43 < zyp> keep in mind, I want something for the passive card side, not the reader side
2017-08-29T21:15:53 < englishman> yes
2017-08-29T21:24:57 < zyp> hmm, TI got some stuff
2017-08-29T21:24:59 < zyp> RF430
2017-08-29T21:25:02 < zyp> contains a MSP430
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2017-08-29T21:31:15 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIZpcUKVAAEkhHG.jpg
2017-08-29T21:31:48 < Steffanx> Hi Laurenceb
2017-08-29T21:32:34 < ohsix> hi
2017-08-29T21:33:47 < ohsix> the internet is thick with ida/radare memes
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2017-08-29T21:38:32 < Steffanx> no clue what so ever.
2017-08-29T21:38:42 < ohsix> sux
2017-08-29T21:38:48 < ohsix> i thought everyone was using ida
2017-08-29T21:40:31 < kakimir> ohsix: what does that mean?
2017-08-29T21:40:38 < kakimir> that meme
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2017-08-29T21:48:58 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/dnMS7TA
2017-08-29T21:50:16 < Laurenceb__> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/28/im-turning-40-without-a-partner-children-or-parents-and-im-free
2017-08-29T21:50:31 < Laurenceb__> >Steven W Thrasher
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2017-08-29T22:43:54 < englishman> are PTC fuses polarized
2017-08-29T22:43:58 < englishman> or can i chuck them in either way
2017-08-29T22:44:14 < englishman> shouldnt matter right, its just thermal
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2017-08-29T22:45:09 < aandrew> englishman: they're nonpolar
2017-08-29T22:45:17 < englishman> cool cool
2017-08-29T22:45:17 < englishman> thx
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2017-08-29T23:56:14 < apo> hmm, does anybody know of an stm32 dev board that has the same form factor as those arduino pro micro boards?
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2017-08-30T00:02:31 < Laurenceb__> https://kek.gg/i/7hL98N.jpg
2017-08-30T00:05:37 < Laurenceb__> https://kek.gg/i/4TC9kX.jpg
2017-08-30T00:07:14 < karlp> who linked that orbuculum thing?
2017-08-30T00:07:18 < karlp> devanagram: was that you?
2017-08-30T00:07:37 < karlp> they don't seem to be able to input from a file? only from the tcp port of jlink or a BMP?
2017-08-30T00:09:40 < devanagram> I haven't tested orbuculum recently, but it seems to work okay with a serial port. I think there is some combination of options you can use if you have a SWO file dump somewhere.
2017-08-30T00:13:16 < karlp> hrm, no, source seems to imply it can read from a file too.
2017-08-30T00:13:20 < karlp> hope it can read from it live.
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2017-08-30T00:23:52 < karlp> hrm, few more build issues than I would have liked.
2017-08-30T00:25:49 < Steffanx> lol, was about to say. karlp just started it and already replied on the first issues
2017-08-30T00:26:01 < Steffanx> with it*
2017-08-30T00:31:25 < englishman> apo: the small nucleo ones?
2017-08-30T00:32:06 < ohsix> karlp: url to this orb thing?
2017-08-30T00:32:15 < ohsix> oh har nm
2017-08-30T00:32:28 < ohsix> yay for dumb / clever names
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2017-08-30T00:32:50 < ohsix> was thinking about that earlier, mate had to change the names of like a hundred things to fork, that's stupid.
2017-08-30T00:33:33 < apo> englishman: nope, that's too many pins
2017-08-30T00:34:02 < englishman> ✂️
2017-08-30T00:34:21 < ohsix> there's a blue board
2017-08-30T00:34:41 < apo> way too many pins ;)
2017-08-30T00:34:43 < ohsix> it's got the f103 on it, 'problem' there is the stm32 has too many peripherals, thus lots of pins
2017-08-30T00:34:56 < ohsix> yes, you'd be looking for one of the so packaged parts
2017-08-30T00:35:01 < apo> but yeah, I was hoping for something like that, but pro micro shaped
2017-08-30T00:35:03 < ohsix> or the 48 pin qfp
2017-08-30T00:35:21 < ohsix> there's stm8 stuff that is smaller & has fewer pins
2017-08-30T00:35:51 < devanagram> Sounds like you might like some of these boards: https://www.tindie.com/stores/TleraCorp/
2017-08-30T00:36:26 < ohsix> oh ya there's the thing piotr does with the blackmagicprobe
2017-08-30T00:36:40 < ohsix> 1bitsy
2017-08-30T00:37:00 < ohsix> that constraint is going to get you something that costs more and sucks more, tho
2017-08-30T00:37:22 < apo> yeah
2017-08-30T00:37:39 < apo> Was hoping to find something I could plug into those mechanical keyboards that are usually built with a pro micro
2017-08-30T00:37:46 < apo> guess I'll have to roll my own
2017-08-30T00:38:02 < ohsix> can always dead-bug it or make an interposer
2017-08-30T00:38:16 < ohsix> what do you want to do that the avr can't already do?
2017-08-30T00:38:28 < apo> the AVR has tiny flash
2017-08-30T00:38:43 < ohsix> want to keep bitmaps in there or something?
2017-08-30T00:38:53 < ohsix> i got some 4meg spi flash things for a few cents each
2017-08-30T00:41:40 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-Forarduino/32473214083.html h3h
2017-08-30T00:41:46 < ohsix> every time i look it's a lot lower, somehow
2017-08-30T00:42:01 < apo> hehe
2017-08-30T00:43:56 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/kiqub5p
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2017-08-30T01:19:08 < ohsix> Laurenceb__: kakimir: hip/hop? anderson .paak
2017-08-30T01:19:25 < ohsix> digging it
2017-08-30T01:20:36 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ferZnZ0_rSM
2017-08-30T01:34:12 < ohsix> stuff coming up on the pandora station is chill
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2017-08-30T01:35:50 < ohsix> eh, pro question, there's a connector smaller than u.fl and ipex common connectors, not sure what the vendor is, and measuring the dimensions would be destructive to the thing they're in
2017-08-30T01:36:02 < ohsix> i see amp amc stuff, are there other well known connectors of that style?
2017-08-30T01:36:35 < ohsix> https://www.amphenolrf.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/AMMC-NPI21-e1429718032409.jpg it looks like this fat center pin one
2017-08-30T01:37:19 < ohsix> oh huh derp, amphenol amc and ammc are different things https://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/ammc.html
2017-08-30T01:37:43 < Laurenceb__> https://kek.gg/i/7fn38w.png
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2017-08-30T02:27:35 < karlp> apo: pretty sure thte mini nucleos were explicittly the same as one of the arduinos.....
2017-08-30T02:28:01 < apo> karlp: huh
2017-08-30T02:29:12 < karlp> listed as being "arduino nano" compatible.
2017-08-30T02:29:51 < apo> ah, yeah
2017-08-30T02:30:01 < apo> nano is a bit bigger than the pro micro ~_~
2017-08-30T02:30:11 < apo> there's too damn many arduinos
2017-08-30T02:36:40 < ohsix> pro micro is the one with the two header pins just stuck in the middle \m/
2017-08-30T02:36:56 < ohsix> someone has one of each of them in the lab, i could take pictures
2017-08-30T02:37:12 < ohsix> nevermind, ddr pads and shit in the front of that cabinet
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2017-08-30T03:18:19 < Laurenceb__> heh the cube patches to make mic work were written by someone at Nokia
2017-08-30T03:18:41 < Laurenceb__> thought it looked pretty pro
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2017-08-30T04:23:29 < ohsix> smoke dropped in bad inside 20 minutes
2017-08-30T04:23:36 < ohsix> visibility is like 100ft lul
2017-08-30T04:23:40 < ohsix> ran and got some n95 masks
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2017-08-30T07:04:12 < ohsix> eosdis is kewl https://go.nasa.gov/2wRtCbK
2017-08-30T07:06:28 < dongs> whats the timer mode for outputting 4 pwms to drive a stepper motor
2017-08-30T07:06:30 < dongs> is there a name for it
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2017-08-30T08:12:35 < dongs> https://github.com/googl1/stm32-pwm/blob/master/main.c found this, i wish i knew what hes doing.
2017-08-30T08:12:35 < dongs> but looks kinda sane
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2017-08-30T08:56:08 < dongs> i forgot to fucking disable winkey-d on laptop
2017-08-30T08:56:10 < dongs> motherufcker
2017-08-30T08:56:18 < dongs> just lost hours of careful z-order selection
2017-08-30T09:16:35 < zyp> haha
2017-08-30T09:20:59 < dongs> hmm ADC is not calibarting
2017-08-30T09:21:06 < dongs> i changed nothign
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2017-08-30T09:23:52 < dongs> is there a difference between ADC1 and ADC12
2017-08-30T09:24:30 < zyp> 2
2017-08-30T09:24:40 < zyp> or 11, depending on how you look at it
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2017-08-30T09:31:36 < dongs> hm
2017-08-30T09:33:02 < dongs> i dont actually see how the current code would even work
2017-08-30T09:33:09 < dongs> it runs calibration way before adc even gets configured
2017-08-30T09:33:15 < dongs> but it works on another board
2017-08-30T09:33:27 < zyp> isn't that the point?
2017-08-30T09:33:41 < zyp> IIRC ADC calibration measures some internal shit and adjusts accordingly
2017-08-30T09:36:36 < dongs> zyp, hm well, it doesnt work either way
2017-08-30T09:36:37 < dongs> hmm
2017-08-30T09:36:40 < dongs> wtf
2017-08-30T09:37:09 < dongs> what happens when calibration fails
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2017-08-30T09:42:30 < dongs> what happens if you power off RCC_AHBPeriph_SRAM
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2017-08-30T09:44:30 < dongs> Bit 28 ADC12EN: ADC1 and ADC2 enable (ADC2 only in STM32F302xB/C)
2017-08-30T09:44:32 < dongs> o i c
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2017-08-30T09:46:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MqdsQvL.png
2017-08-30T09:46:32 < dongs> how does this work
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2017-08-30T09:46:48 < dongs> Note: The STM32F302x6/8 devices have only ADC1. The STM32F302xB/C/D/E have ADC1 and
2017-08-30T09:46:51 < dongs> ADC2.
2017-08-30T09:47:14 < dongs> yet the ADC12EN bit says "ADC2 ONLY" inB/C
2017-08-30T09:47:16 < dongs> what hte fuck ST
2017-08-30T09:47:20 < dongs> let's fucking make some sense
2017-08-30T09:49:15 < dongs> well, it doesnt work with adc2 either
2017-08-30T09:49:17 < dongs> so what the fuck.
2017-08-30T09:50:44 < dongs> wait hte board it works on is also 302xB
2017-08-30T09:51:00 < dongs> er, 302xC, and non-working is 302xB
2017-08-30T09:51:06 < dongs> so they would be in same category anyway
2017-08-30T09:58:44 < dongs> wtf i cant find any referecne what happens if calibration doesnt complete
2017-08-30T10:06:12 < dongs> if i step over calibration, ADC_FLAG_RDY is never set either
2017-08-30T10:06:17 < dongs> hmm the fuck
2017-08-30T10:06:38 < zyp> does this happen on more than one part? maybe you just have a part with a broken ADC
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2017-08-30T10:07:25 < dongs> i guess i should try on another board eh
2017-08-30T10:08:39 < dongs> no, stuck on 2nd board too
2017-08-30T10:08:48 < dongs> ive never seen a STM with dead ADC anway.
2017-08-30T10:08:53 < dongs> unless I made it dead on purpose :)
2017-08-30T10:09:05 < zyp> one time must be the first
2017-08-30T10:09:28 < dongs> anyway woudlnt be dead on2 boards
2017-08-30T10:10:09 < dongs> bizzare
2017-08-30T10:10:17 < dongs> works on 100s of 302VC
2017-08-30T10:10:27 < dongs> exactly same driver, copypasted on 302RB board
2017-08-30T10:10:55 < dongs> on 302VC, adc stuff is on PAx, on 302RB, its on PCx. but of course pins dont even matter because calibration runs before pins are assingled
2017-08-30T10:10:58 < dongs> assigned
2017-08-30T10:11:56 < jpa-> dongs: 
2017-08-30T10:11:59 < jpa-> 2015-10-23T01:55:30 < karlp> anyone using adc on f30x? are there any tricks to power up?  I'v
2017-08-30T10:11:59 < jpa-> e got the vreg on, whch I missed at first, but is there some other trick?  turning on ADEN in
2017-08-30T10:11:59 < jpa->  ADC_CR and ADC_RDY in ADC_ISR never goes high
2017-08-30T10:12:00 < jpa-> 2015-10-23T23:45:35 < karlp> emeb: zyp: my f3 adc problem las tnight was the adc clock source.  I'd left the ADC_CCR.CKMODE to 0, to use the raw async PLL clock, but you still need to _also_ set the RCC_CFGR2.ADCxxPRESC to a valid prescaler.
2017-08-30T10:14:07 < dongs> oo shit. that is one of teh difference on this board. we dumped the external xtal
2017-08-30T10:14:16 < dongs> and i havent cahnged the system_f30x shit to use HSI
2017-08-30T10:14:37 < dongs> i bet thats it
2017-08-30T10:14:43 < dongs> time to fire up excel
2017-08-30T10:17:01 < dongs> ENABLING MACROS
2017-08-30T10:18:16 < dongs> WTF FUCKING EXCEL
2017-08-30T10:18:36 < zyp> haha, excel
2017-08-30T10:19:34 < dongs> haha cubemx
2017-08-30T10:20:21 < zyp> I'm in no way advocating cubemx
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2017-08-30T10:24:29 < dongs> sdjfsdkjfsdhkj'
2017-08-30T10:49:09 < dongs> you know, i still ahvent been able to run that fucking excel shit and get the clock file generated
2017-08-30T10:49:37 < dongs> downloading fuckcel 2003 just so i can run this ancient garbage
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2017-08-30T10:58:24 < ohsix> boobies
2017-08-30T10:59:21 < dongs> huh.. F30x has t he same fucking thing where it can only go to 64mhz from HSI?
2017-08-30T10:59:26 < dongs> same faggot shit like on F1
2017-08-30T11:08:39 < ohsix> 8051 job is somehow related to bluetooth and rfid
2017-08-30T11:09:50 < ohsix> the go between is going to be working there and will get me an nda or something so i can see what i'd be doing, either on a consulting or semi-permanent basis
2017-08-30T11:09:51 < dongs> how the fuck can they fuck this shit up
2017-08-30T11:09:52 < dongs> damn
2017-08-30T11:09:59 < ohsix> all so boring, but new to me
2017-08-30T11:10:39 < ohsix> was looking at esp32 bluetooth shit earlier too, it's all closed source; is there a stack other than bluez, or even a small stack that does nearly nothing, just sdp & what it requires, and rfcomm / serial radio interface
2017-08-30T11:10:45 < dongs> ya, adc calibration wrokrs now
2017-08-30T11:10:57 < ohsix> i've been perpetually meaning to get into bluetooth, but you can't read the spec like any other spec, it's unenable
2017-08-30T11:11:29 < ohsix> need to look at a thing that sucks, or needs to be extended somewhere, just as a reference to where to read the specs
2017-08-30T11:13:35 < zyp> dongs, F3 reuses a lot of F1 stuff
2017-08-30T11:13:50 < ohsix> is uhh
2017-08-30T11:14:15 < ohsix> usb power meter with a built in hub & serial device that just spits out the measurements a good idea? so you get both when you plug it in
2017-08-30T11:15:21 < ohsix> maybe be able to switch out port on and off
2017-08-30T11:15:35 < zyp> ohsix, idk about serial, but reporting over usb could be interesting for logging and whatnot
2017-08-30T11:16:00 < ohsix> i'm thinking of cases where the device being powered also does usb
2017-08-30T11:16:27 < zyp> and I'm not sure how useful hub would be, I'd probably prefer sourcing power from a dedicated charging port, while monitoring through a normal port
2017-08-30T11:16:30 < ohsix> it would be deliciously compact, there are cheap power analyzers, usb ones even
2017-08-30T11:16:38 < ohsix> ya word
2017-08-30T11:17:05 < ohsix> kind of like the idea that it's all self contained
2017-08-30T11:17:10 < zyp> a lot of the times when you care about usb power consumption is when you're drawing more than 500mA
2017-08-30T11:17:19 < ohsix> i need to come up with a small project to do with eagle for a thing a pal is doing
2017-08-30T11:18:51 < dongs> ohsix reporting for autism duty
2017-08-30T11:19:44 < dongs> still waiting for him to complete a project and get featured on hackaday
2017-08-30T11:19:54 < dongs> (wont happen)
2017-08-30T11:20:35 < ohsix> there was the one thing ...
2017-08-30T11:20:40 < zyp> I haven't been featured on hackaday either
2017-08-30T11:20:52 < ohsix> rly?
2017-08-30T11:21:09 < zyp> at least not to my knowledge
2017-08-30T11:21:39 < ohsix> their editorial stuff is really bad (not a knock on you) surprised! hah
2017-08-30T11:21:53 < ohsix> you can probably just tip someone off and one of them will wipe their ass with it and put it up
2017-08-30T11:22:03 < dongs> yeah but you actually get shit done
2017-08-30T11:22:17 < ohsix> i took a shit this morning
2017-08-30T11:22:24 < ohsix> overshare bro
2017-08-30T11:22:56 < zyp> ohsix, I'm not sure I've done anything worth featuring either, so that makes sense to me
2017-08-30T11:23:09 < ohsix> hasn't stopped them, hehe
2017-08-30T11:23:31 < dongs> these days making fgtberry blink a led is MAKE:R enough
2017-08-30T11:23:36 < ohsix> so uh
2017-08-30T11:24:12 < ohsix> what would you want in this usb thing, in addition to switching the load on and off (that alone could make it more useful than a power meter)
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2017-08-30T11:36:48 < Steffanx> Getting hobby projects done is overrated dongs
2017-08-30T11:37:46 < ohsix> finishing your dinner is overrated
2017-08-30T11:39:44 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/solution-evaluation-tools/motor-control-solution-eval-boards/steval-esc001v1.html <- just got some spam
2017-08-30T11:39:49 < zyp> looks like ST stole ESC32
2017-08-30T11:40:29 < ohsix> woha
2017-08-30T11:40:30 < ohsix> nice
2017-08-30T11:40:40 < ohsix> was looking at their 3d printer eval board the other day
2017-08-30T11:40:55 < ohsix> kind of cool to have a 'complete' module that you can just use
2017-08-30T11:41:47 < ohsix> would be interesting to try the normal code people run when they toast esc's, and see if it happens with something that is assumed to be more well designed
2017-08-30T11:41:52 < zyp> ohsix, I bought that 3dp thing, haven't had much time dicking around with firmware yet
2017-08-30T11:42:27 < ohsix> it looks pretty sweet compared to the open source stuff floating around
2017-08-30T11:43:03 < ohsix> six axis, 1-3 extruders, 1-3 heat bed zones
2017-08-30T11:44:19 < zyp> yeah
2017-08-30T11:44:35 < zyp> I wrote some shit to dick around with one axis
2017-08-30T11:46:18 < zyp> need to build some mechanical setup before it makes sense to dick around with more, and that's been on hold since start of summer vaction
2017-08-30T11:46:51 < ohsix> that esc has fancy mosfet drivers on it too
2017-08-30T11:47:28 < ohsix>  Switching times 75/35 ns rise/fall with 1 nF load
2017-08-30T11:49:36 < ohsix> saw someone making an x/y table with outrunners & encoder feedback, that thing was sick
2017-08-30T11:53:30 < dongs> zyp, haha
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2017-08-30T12:50:02 < ReadErr> lol kewt
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2017-08-30T13:55:56 < Steffanx> Why didnt they use their stm32f0spin :s
2017-08-30T13:56:07 < Steffanx> Its pretty limited, but..
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2017-08-30T14:48:47 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/kv3RShC7
2017-08-30T14:48:49 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-30T14:48:53 < Laurenceb> something screwy
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2017-08-30T15:06:26 < dongs> motherfucking shithub
2017-08-30T15:06:32 < dongs> tried for ONE FUCKING TIME
2017-08-30T15:06:39 < dongs> using it for more than one person source control
2017-08-30T15:06:42 < dongs> blew up SPECTACULARLY
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2017-08-30T15:06:59 < dongs> cryptic faggot error messages about HEADS, CHERRY PICKS, and other faggot shit
2017-08-30T15:07:02 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: PeterM, oz4ga
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2017-08-30T15:07:04 < dongs> non_ENGLISH
2017-08-30T15:07:11 < dongs> fuck git
2017-08-30T15:07:14 < dongs> fucking nigger fagot shit
2017-08-30T15:07:56 < emeryth> going back to sending zip files via email?
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2017-08-30T15:13:30 < qyx> you simply don't understand it
2017-08-30T15:13:56 < Laurenceb> W E W
2017-08-30T15:13:57 < Laurenceb> Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network
2017-08-30T15:14:13 < Laurenceb> b& from google for lief
2017-08-30T15:15:41 < Laurenceb> attn dongs: https://infrakshun.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/united_states_eugenics_advocacy_poster.jpg
2017-08-30T15:15:47 < Laurenceb> this seems appropriate
2017-08-30T15:15:52 < kakimir> you have been banned Laurenceb ?
2017-08-30T15:16:03 < Laurenceb> kakimir: yes
2017-08-30T15:16:16 < Laurenceb> google has blocked my ip
2017-08-30T15:17:27 < Steffanx> Bot Laurenceb cant fill in the captcha?
2017-08-30T15:17:38 < Laurenceb> not showing for me
2017-08-30T15:18:48 < kakimir> your ip or you?
2017-08-30T15:19:59 < Laurenceb> ip
2017-08-30T15:20:05 < Laurenceb> but probably me
2017-08-30T15:20:20 < Laurenceb> they will track me and ban me
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2017-08-30T15:26:10 < Laurenceb> anyways
2017-08-30T15:26:18 < Laurenceb> my microphone endpoint is missing
2017-08-30T15:26:45 < kakimir> that means they are listening
2017-08-30T15:27:17 < daey> Laurenceb: i get that warning all the time from google :/
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2017-08-30T15:27:28 < daey> super annoying
2017-08-30T15:28:37 < zyp> maybe you should stop spamming
2017-08-30T15:29:12 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/Euc8Kens
2017-08-30T15:29:16 < Laurenceb> the hell is going on
2017-08-30T15:33:20 < Laurenceb>    bNumInterfaces          isnt correct
2017-08-30T15:34:11 < tomeaton17> I am having problems with UART does it look like there is anything wrong with these serial lines https://gyazo.com/33dedd1c82d6cea93d5f03c50eae4c15
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2017-08-30T15:41:36 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/BFXkUrER
2017-08-30T15:41:43 < Laurenceb> now I'm even more confused
2017-08-30T15:41:53 < Laurenceb> is there a second interface there?
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2017-08-30T15:44:35 < Steffanx> Time to read usb in a nutshell
2017-08-30T15:46:06 < karlp> what do you mean, of course theres two there,
2017-08-30T15:46:12 < karlp> #Ifs = 2....
2017-08-30T15:46:15 < karlp> lurn2read
2017-08-30T15:48:34 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-30T15:48:34 < Laurenceb> maybe the control endpoint isnt listed
2017-08-30T15:49:03 < zyp> control endpoint is not part of the config, it's always implicit
2017-08-30T15:49:53 < Laurenceb> ah ok
2017-08-30T15:49:59 < Laurenceb> maybe it is working
2017-08-30T15:50:12 < zyp> only descriptor stuff involved with the control endpoint is MPS0 in the device descriptor
2017-08-30T15:50:57 < Laurenceb> but there is still no microphone endpoint shown in lsusb -v
2017-08-30T15:53:55 < karlp> line 52 in your earlier paste?
2017-08-30T15:54:19 < karlp> bNumEndpoints           0 ?
2017-08-30T15:55:30 < karlp> neither of your interfaces have any endpoints at all #EPs= 0
2017-08-30T15:55:48 < Laurenceb> oh
2017-08-30T15:55:49 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-08-30T15:56:05 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/cYNbgZzT
2017-08-30T15:56:14 < Laurenceb> I should set up a github for my source
2017-08-30T15:59:17 < karlp> arecord isn't going to find anythign suitable when you don't have any endpoints dude. what were you expecting?
2017-08-30T16:01:47 < Laurenceb> looks like Nokia guys aren't so pro after all
2017-08-30T16:02:39 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/cnQpSy9e
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2017-08-30T16:04:56 < Laurenceb> I don't understand why there are three interfaces
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2017-08-30T16:27:27 < Laurenceb> hmm no luck on windows either
2017-08-30T16:27:32 < Laurenceb> error code 10 or 43
2017-08-30T16:27:36 < Laurenceb> very informative
2017-08-30T16:54:50 < dongs> sup doges
2017-08-30T16:55:43 < karlp> just watching lorance fail over and over
2017-08-30T16:55:54 < dongs> typical
2017-08-30T16:56:22 < dongs> karlp: i fixed my F302 ADC thanks to your blogs from jpa
2017-08-30T16:56:50 < dongs> not directly the same problem but made me realize shit wasn't running off HSE and thus fucking up
2017-08-30T16:59:47 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-08-30T16:59:56 < Laurenceb> something is def wrong somewhere
2017-08-30T17:00:13 < Laurenceb> looks like bNumInterfaces might be the clue
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2017-08-30T17:01:11 < karlp> dongs: you're welcome.  f3 adc clocks were way more complicated
2017-08-30T17:01:13 < karlp> took me a while too.
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2017-08-30T17:05:48 < Laurenceb> yeah looks like bNumInterfaces is being overwritten
2017-08-30T17:05:57 < Laurenceb> I can set 0,1, or 2
2017-08-30T17:06:02 < Laurenceb> nothing higher
2017-08-30T17:06:18 < karlp> how many do you fucking need? are you sure you're not mixing interfaces and endpoints again?
2017-08-30T17:06:35 < Laurenceb> I dunno
2017-08-30T17:06:39 < Laurenceb> not my code
2017-08-30T17:06:56 < Laurenceb>   0x03,                                 /* bNumInterfaces: conf, in, out*/
2017-08-30T17:06:59 < karlp> maybe try understanding what it's meant to be behaving like before just poking numbers
2017-08-30T17:07:06 < Laurenceb> the microphone is another interface aiui
2017-08-30T17:07:33 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/cnQpSy9e
2017-08-30T17:08:36 < Laurenceb> line 182 is the really weird one
2017-08-30T17:10:23 < karlp> yeah, https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/usb-sound-carde/ has a lsusb dump, with 4 interfaces.
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2017-08-30T17:13:46 < dongs> one of these days I'll autism a USB MOD player out of stm32
2017-08-30T17:14:06 < dongs> shows up as usb audio source
2017-08-30T17:14:12 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-08-30T17:14:20 < Laurenceb> yeah something is overwriting it
2017-08-30T17:14:26 < dongs> gcc
2017-08-30T17:14:31 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-08-30T17:14:37 < dongs> man. this chink keyboard matrix is insane
2017-08-30T17:14:41 < dongs> i have no idea how its supposed to work
2017-08-30T17:14:47 < dongs> partial/bullshit schematics arent helping either
2017-08-30T17:14:48 < Laurenceb> tiem to look at disasm
2017-08-30T17:15:23 < dongs> its 74HC138s for the 3:8 decoders but some of the enable lines are tied to scan lines as well
2017-08-30T17:25:03 < Laurenceb> hmf its there in the binary
2017-08-30T17:27:37 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/yKtXnRsa
2017-08-30T17:30:56 < dongs> is dis some lunix
2017-08-30T17:31:00 < dongs> just use cube for fucks sake
2017-08-30T17:31:04 < dongs> it autogenerates all teh shit for you
2017-08-30T17:33:07 < karlp> he's trying :) he cant' figure it out
2017-08-30T17:33:33 < dongs> Pastebin PRO Summer Special!
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2017-08-30T17:33:54 < dongs> what could you possibly get wiht a PRO account
2017-08-30T17:33:58 < dongs> that would be worth paying $ for
2017-08-30T17:34:53 < dongs> # New Pastes Per 24h Learn more...20 (free) 250 (pro)
2017-08-30T17:34:53 < dongs> wat
2017-08-30T17:42:40 < Laurenceb> pastebin gold account
2017-08-30T17:42:45 < Laurenceb> yeah I used cube
2017-08-30T17:42:49 < Laurenceb> first mistake
2017-08-30T17:45:49 < dongs> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ast/keyboard/master/Keyboard.png hmm this seems to be the same arrangement
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2017-08-30T17:51:23 < Laurenceb> maybe I should buy a usb analyser
2017-08-30T17:51:34 < dongs> maybe you should write less shit code
2017-08-30T17:52:27 < c10ud^> lol
2017-08-30T17:52:46 < c10ud^> doesn't st provide already-working usb-audio code?
2017-08-30T17:52:53 < c10ud^> i remember this from 2yrs ago
2017-08-30T17:52:55 < dongs> he cant even get that working
2017-08-30T17:53:33 < Laurenceb> correct
2017-08-30T17:53:37 < c10ud^> oh ok
2017-08-30T17:53:52 < c10ud^> tbh there maybe bugs, but I think I was looking at pre-released code
2017-08-30T17:54:58 < Laurenceb> I probably need to edit something
2017-08-30T17:55:16 < Laurenceb> looks like something is overwriting some of my settings
2017-08-30T17:57:13 < Laurenceb> specifically bnuminterfaces
2017-08-30T17:59:20 < tomeaton17> Trying to use the HAL i2c interface, what does "device 7 bits address value in datasheet must be shift at right before call interface"
2017-08-30T17:59:59 < dongs> literally that
2017-08-30T18:00:16 < dongs> if datasheet specifies 7 bit address, shift it left by one to add the r/w bit
2017-08-30T18:00:35 < dongs> tho i have no idea why ST would say to shift it right
2017-08-30T18:00:41 < tomeaton17> ah fair enough
2017-08-30T18:01:17 < dongs> just drill down the hal crap until it touches the register directly, and see if it shifts the address before final write or not. iirc it doesnt, soyou hae to do it yourself
2017-08-30T18:01:35 < Laurenceb> ah usbmon gives raw usb data
2017-08-30T18:01:51 < Laurenceb> ffff8805c70bf0c0 761325209 C Ci:1:127:0 0 174 = 0902ae00 030100c0
2017-08-30T18:01:58 < Laurenceb> 3 interfaces
2017-08-30T18:02:00 < Laurenceb> WTF
2017-08-30T18:03:54 < dongs> lunix trash always looks retarded and cryptic
2017-08-30T18:04:49 < Laurenceb> the 0301 is the important part
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2017-08-30T18:14:42 < Laurenceb> aha
2017-08-30T18:14:43 < Laurenceb> [1726298.638487] usb 1-1.5: SerialNumber: 00000000001B
2017-08-30T18:14:43 < Laurenceb> [1726298.639475] usb 1-1.5: 0:2 : does not exist
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2017-08-30T18:19:44 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/SbKUb2ut
2017-08-30T18:21:32 < englishman> Edison has only proprietary phone-flashing interface repurposed for embedded computers. And it only works in 32butt Ubuntu. Literally same tool used to reflash 1999 MOTO RAZR
2017-08-30T18:22:27 < Laurenceb> still less fail than this code
2017-08-30T18:22:51 < Laurenceb> hmf I'm literally out of ideas
2017-08-30T18:23:07 < Laurenceb> maybe I should star typing random shit in the hope of achieving something
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2017-08-30T19:05:24 < PaulFertser> englishman: hm, isn't edison supported by upstream openocd? I thought it got the same quark core?
2017-08-30T19:05:29 < PaulFertser> As galileo
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2017-08-30T19:06:20 < englishman> you can program a dfu bootloader to it
2017-08-30T19:06:30 < englishman> but if that's corrupt? intel proprietary only
2017-08-30T19:07:39 < englishman> xFSTK or something
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2017-08-30T19:10:47 < PaulFertser> englishman: I thought all that intel gear supported a custom debug protocol over jtag.
2017-08-30T19:11:20 < englishman> i can jtag into this?
2017-08-30T19:11:41 < PaulFertser> Hm, probably it's only galileo then.
2017-08-30T19:13:17 < PaulFertser> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/processors/quark/sb/sourcedebugusingopenocd_quark_appnote_330015_003.pdf
2017-08-30T19:14:58 < Steffanx> Laurenceb did you sell you brains after your received your phd
2017-08-30T19:15:40 < Steffanx> Oh nevermind. "Dr." means Dumb retard ofcourse
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2017-08-30T19:37:52 < kakimir> !wz EFRA
2017-08-30T19:37:53 < dieforirc> [EFRA, Finland] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 16.8°C. SSW wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 88%.
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2017-08-30T19:56:28 < Steffanx> How is kakimirland today kakimir ?
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2017-08-30T19:58:28 < kakimir> cold
2017-08-30T19:58:33 < kakimir> winter is coming.
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2017-08-30T20:01:40 < englishman> https://www.arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/arduino-Due-schematic.pdf
2017-08-30T20:01:43 < englishman> can someone halp me
2017-08-30T20:01:51 < englishman> where does PWM2 on the PWMI header go
2017-08-30T20:02:02 < englishman> er PWML
2017-08-30T20:02:58 < englishman> ok apparently mcu pin 144
2017-08-30T20:03:04 < englishman> but ctrl+f doesnt work
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2017-08-30T20:22:11 < Rob235> ello
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2017-08-30T21:17:00 < kakimir> oh my
2017-08-30T21:18:05 < kakimir> accidentally CPL school application form
2017-08-30T21:26:31 < kakimir> my coder superstar life is soon possibly to be ruined
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2017-08-30T21:31:03 < Steffanx> accidentally ...
2017-08-30T21:31:06 < Steffanx> shyhook?
2017-08-30T21:34:00 < kakimir> skyhook school
2017-08-30T21:44:32 < Steffanx> finally.
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2017-08-30T21:49:35 < kakimir> skyhook is a fictional item
2017-08-30T21:49:38 < kakimir> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sky%20hook
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2017-08-30T21:56:20 < Steffanx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system i believe more in wikipedia mr kakimir
2017-08-30T21:58:13 < kakimir> any action movies for me?
2017-08-30T21:58:18 < kakimir> with skyhook
2017-08-30T21:58:32 < kakimir> but not that one
2017-08-30T21:58:47 < kakimir> others than that one
2017-08-30T21:59:19 < Steffanx> "that" one ?
2017-08-30T22:00:55 < kakimir> that one where some dudes were surrounded by hostile forces then skyhook
2017-08-30T22:01:38 < Steffanx> better watch  The Dark Knight again then
2017-08-30T22:02:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsTIeZ03Hk8 here we GOOOO
2017-08-30T22:05:02 < kakimir> better watch some james bond
2017-08-30T22:05:59 < Steffanx> better not, those are BAAAD
2017-08-30T22:06:06 < Steffanx> The older ones that is
2017-08-30T22:06:24 < Steffanx> Try Captain Underpants.
2017-08-30T22:10:49 < ohsix> real Laurenceb link https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIcCbC6WsAITrdM.jpg
2017-08-30T22:12:11 < kakimir> mossad controls twitter?
2017-08-30T22:17:24 < ohsix> no
2017-08-30T22:17:35 < ohsix> they just replied to sarsour
2017-08-30T22:17:53 < ohsix> sarsour has all sorts of ideas that make that pretty funny
2017-08-30T22:18:44 < kakimir> it's already funny when mossad follows and replies you
2017-08-30T22:19:37 < kakimir> her stuff looks unfunny
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2017-08-30T22:30:14 < vampi-the-frog> j #angularjs
2017-08-30T22:30:24 < vampi-the-frog> sorry mistyped
2017-08-30T22:31:49 < Steffanx> now we all know what you do while you're supposed to be asleep mr vampi-the-frog
2017-08-30T22:32:03 < vampi-the-frog> it's only half past ten
2017-08-30T22:32:15 < vampi-the-frog> I'm making an USB descriptor editor web app
2017-08-30T22:32:41 < Steffanx> Laurenceb will be very grateful
2017-08-30T22:32:49 < vampi-the-frog> I will be very grateful
2017-08-30T22:33:15 < Steffanx> Will it generate cube code?
2017-08-30T22:34:29 < vampi-the-frog> among other things, yes
2017-08-30T22:34:41 < vampi-the-frog> it will also store your descriptors, if you are willing to contribute them
2017-08-30T22:34:50 < vampi-the-frog> so people can browse a database of existing device descriptors
2017-08-30T22:35:41 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/f0142068.png
2017-08-30T22:35:57 < vampi-the-frog> oh man that screenie got fucked up
2017-08-30T22:36:17 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/b900c5b1.png
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2017-08-30T22:40:10 < Steffanx> :)
2017-08-30T22:40:11 < kakimir> wampi is back
2017-08-30T22:40:53 < vampi-the-frog> I'll leave as soon as the channel goes off topic again
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2017-08-30T22:44:18 < kakimir> let's keep that in mind
2017-08-30T22:53:13 < englishman> cloners http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/counterfeit-alert-chinese-writing-a-dead-giveaway-on-fake-bills-1.3568439
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2017-08-30T22:55:42 < vampi-the-frog> isn't that japanese writing?
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2017-08-30T23:15:35 < Steffanx> Isnt that off-topic? ;)
2017-08-30T23:16:46 < vampi-the-frog> good catch
2017-08-30T23:18:04 < Steffanx> I'll forgive you this time, but next time..
2017-08-30T23:22:33 < englishman> hi vamps
2017-08-30T23:23:20 < vampi-the-frog> hi
2017-08-30T23:24:28 < kakimir> englishman: they are probs mocking the queen
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2017-08-30T23:24:50 < ohsixFFF> fartnugs
2017-08-30T23:25:17 < ohsixFFF> at library with pal, their outbound ports are all on a whitelist and ssh isn't on it, can't do shit
2017-08-30T23:25:39 < ohsixFFF> probably to stop torrentz
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2017-08-30T23:26:59 < Steffanx> better that that pic32 with 32MB ram: http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/PIC32MZ1025DAG169
2017-08-30T23:35:44 < Steffanx> *get that
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2017-08-30T23:40:44 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/416a75f4ce/40926.jpg
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2017-08-30T23:47:02 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/416a75f4ce/40854.jpg
2017-08-30T23:47:08 < Laurenceb__> hashtag delivers
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2017-08-30T23:53:25 < kakimir> 22:40 < vampi-the-frog> I'll leave as soon as the channel goes off topic again
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2017-08-31T00:09:40 < kakimir> that was not a suggestion
2017-08-31T00:09:42 < kakimir> but anyway
2017-08-31T00:10:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: you are to blame
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2017-08-31T00:29:55 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/f52w2kw
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2017-08-31T00:49:07 < Rob235> hah, im watching vids for a robotics edx course and it says you name robots by their joints, my drawing robot is going to have two prismatic joints so its a PP robot.. heehee peepee
2017-08-31T00:50:06 < Rob235> my PP is bigger than yours
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2017-08-31T01:46:10 < Laurenceb__> hmf
2017-08-31T01:46:21 < Laurenceb__> LIS3MDL low stock everywhere
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2017-08-31T02:54:42 < Laurenceb__> https://kek.gg/i/88vw7-.jpg
2017-08-31T03:06:58 < Rob235> ok, watched 6 weeks of this robotics course today, the inverse kinematics started going over my head, I think I need to take a break
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2017-08-31T05:25:37 < englishman> Laurenceb: LIS3MDL is impossibruuu to find
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2017-08-31T05:59:18 < englishman> how goes innovations
2017-08-31T05:59:40 < branjb> Rob235 inverse kinematics are easy once you understand them
2017-08-31T06:00:22 < Rob235> yea I don't doubt that. Watching video after video can make your brain numb though and I may have taken too much dxm for my cold...
2017-08-31T06:00:35 < branjb> watch em again tomorrow
2017-08-31T06:00:38 < Rob235> yup
2017-08-31T06:00:48 < branjb> it's one of those things that are confusing and then you have a click moment and it makes sense
2017-08-31T06:01:18 < Rob235> thats why I let them continue, figured it would give me small foundation when I rewatch tomorrow
2017-08-31T06:01:23 < branjb> were the videos talking about them in the homgenous matrix form?
2017-08-31T06:01:26 < branjb> or just the equations
2017-08-31T06:01:39 < Rob235> homogenous matrix form
2017-08-31T06:01:43 < branjb> yeah
2017-08-31T06:01:47 < branjb> that shit will click eventually
2017-08-31T06:01:55 < branjb> i'm a retard and do that for my current job
2017-08-31T06:05:21 < Rob235> nice, robotics design or what
2017-08-31T06:05:28 < branjb> yeah
2017-08-31T06:05:50 < Rob235> for assembly lines? pick n place? or anything the customer wants?
2017-08-31T06:05:51 < branjb> i do gcode2inversekinematic shit for scara's
2017-08-31T06:06:00 < Rob235> ahh
2017-08-31T06:06:06 < branjb> nah, FW for in house shit
2017-08-31T06:06:11 < branjb> pick and place
2017-08-31T06:06:11 < Rob235> oh ok
2017-08-31T06:09:51 < Rob235> I'm just doing a 2dof drawing bot, basically the same as axidraw.  I want to make two of them and my senior project is probably going to be using simulated annealing to solve a dual agent traveling salesman problem to draw an image (i'm creating my own version of gcode probably or may just implement gcode itself, I need to read more on it) in the shortest amount of time without the arms bumping into each other
2017-08-31T06:10:30 < branjb> that's a good project
2017-08-31T06:11:04 < Rob235> I thought it would be fun, just waiting on a class at the closest library that has a 3d printer, so that I can use the 3d printer
2017-08-31T06:11:17 < Rob235> I have everything else I think
2017-08-31T06:11:36 < branjb> i don't know about any of that traveling merchant stuff but if you are using a PC to drive it, you have to implement some kind of communication scheme, mine as well just implement the basic gcode commands
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2017-08-31T06:12:23 < branjb> already documented and pretty simple
2017-08-31T06:12:33 < branjb> where you going to school, US?
2017-08-31T06:12:39 < Rob235> I dont want a pc to drive it. it has a sd card and touchscreen interface and wifi to upload gcode or whatever. but I want the mcu to do figure out everything else
2017-08-31T06:12:43 < Rob235> yea
2017-08-31T06:12:48 < branjb> where at
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2017-08-31T06:13:21 < Rob235> I was going to Rutgers but dropped out.  Finishing up after a while of time off at an online school. Thomas edison state university
2017-08-31T06:13:28 < Rob235> both schools in NJ
2017-08-31T06:14:16 < Rob235> not sure how well the online uni degree will fare against a brick and mortar but its worth the price to at least get something, and Rutgers recommended them
2017-08-31T06:14:19 < branjb> how's senior project work online?  do you have to work with groupmates or individual?
2017-08-31T06:14:50 < branjb> from what i can tell no one cares where your degree was from
2017-08-31T06:15:24 < Rob235> individual, you come up with a problem in your field you want to solve and the 12 weeks (condensed semesters) is about submitting a new chapter every other week.  25 page paper or 15 page paper with a creative project which mine would be
2017-08-31T06:16:24 < branjb> that's nice, senior design in a group was a terrible experience
2017-08-31T06:17:11 < Rob235> sounds like it.  I feel like I have ocd when it comes to stuff I'm interested in and want to control everything :P I gotta chill on that if/when I get a real job
2017-08-31T06:18:00 < Rob235> although I doubt I'd be doing exactly what I wanted to do anyway so working on a team would probably end up being more helpful in that case
2017-08-31T06:18:15 < branjb> well it's different working with students who are lazy millenials who just want to play vidya and watch animes; can't fire them, can't dock their pay, etc.
2017-08-31T06:18:25 < Rob235> yea true
2017-08-31T06:18:33 < branjb> in the workplace people have incentive to at least show up
2017-08-31T06:18:57 < branjb> more than i can say for half the school groups i worked in
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2017-08-31T06:19:18 < Rob235> I dont have any experience in the real world so that will be new to me, but I'm older so I feel like I at least have some benefit in that sense, although entry level as an older guy probably raises questions
2017-08-31T06:19:43 < branjb> it doesn't
2017-08-31T06:19:59 < Rob235> good, I look young anyway heh
2017-08-31T06:20:07 < branjb> i'm 30 and just got an entry level job, no one even noticed i was older
2017-08-31T06:20:16 < Rob235> I'm 33 now
2017-08-31T06:21:07 < Rob235> I guess its more common for people to be moving around fields nowadays so there are lots of people starting over
2017-08-31T06:21:14 < branjb> yeah
2017-08-31T06:21:25 < branjb> if anything it gives you a leg up
2017-08-31T06:21:38 < branjb> 22 y/o's fresh with degrees can't even hold a conversation like a normal person
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2017-08-31T06:23:19 < Rob235> this project ended up being more involved than I planned, I keep adding stuff to it
2017-08-31T06:23:59 < branjb> what's a transistor
2017-08-31T06:25:36 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/mikelectricstuf/status/902899269228777473
2017-08-31T06:27:10 < Rob235> damn thats small
2017-08-31T06:30:25 < tpw_rules> didn't he make a matrix of 01005?
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2017-08-31T08:55:22 < munki_> 4kktdmts6. d78
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2017-08-31T10:07:24 < ReadErr> that some kinda TOR URL munki_
2017-08-31T10:15:18 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BYckipugds5/
2017-08-31T10:19:34 < munki_> ReadErr: pocket typing my b
2017-08-31T10:20:06 < ReadErr> o oka, didnt want to miss a bitcoin faucet url
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2017-08-31T12:16:50 < dongs> so i have outputs i need to set on random GPIOC pins, and some on PORTA
2017-08-31T12:17:00 < dongs> doesn't have to be simultaneously but fast enough together
2017-08-31T12:17:09 < dongs> any cool trick for it
2017-08-31T12:17:33 < dongs> dono if i should involve buttbanding at this point
2017-08-31T12:17:35 < dongs> seems overkill
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2017-08-31T12:32:16 < Steffanx> I cannot think of something that will be faster than a write to bsrr for both ports
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2017-08-31T12:32:47 < karlp> ReadErr: are there still bitcoin faucets?
2017-08-31T12:33:11 < zyp> probably not on mainnet
2017-08-31T12:34:39 < karlp> anywhere though, it's still the same thing, handing out money for fun
2017-08-31T12:34:54 < karlp> it was one thing when bitcoin was unheard of and you needed distribution.
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2017-08-31T12:35:03 < karlp> like when that dude handed out aurora coins to everyone in iceland
2017-08-31T12:35:07 < dongs> what hte hell is a shitcoun faucet
2017-08-31T12:35:10 < zyp> there's a bunch of faucets on testnet
2017-08-31T12:35:19 < zyp> since they are obviously worthless
2017-08-31T12:35:49 < zyp> dongs, thing that hands out bitcoin if you just ask for it
2017-08-31T12:36:08 < dongs> sounds about as useful as shitcoin itself
2017-08-31T12:37:09 < zyp> I wish I still had the bitcoin I dicked around with in 2011
2017-08-31T12:37:17 < zyp> they'd be worth about $80k today
2017-08-31T12:37:59 < karlp> friends got bitcoins donated for a project, didnt' spend them due to difficulties
2017-08-31T12:38:03 < karlp> ran out of the cash donations,
2017-08-31T12:38:16 < karlp> bitcoin donations now worth enough for another year of development
2017-08-31T12:38:27 < dongs> if they can figure out how to tourn it into real money
2017-08-31T12:38:30 < dongs> without getting scammed
2017-08-31T12:38:33 < dongs> or killed
2017-08-31T12:38:40 < dongs> thats the catch with shitcoin
2017-08-31T12:38:43 < dongs> you cant fucking do anythign with it
2017-08-31T12:38:48 < dongs> without looking liek a criminal
2017-08-31T12:39:00 < zyp> haha
2017-08-31T12:39:01 < karlp> we've got a few shops here that accept it in theory
2017-08-31T12:39:08 < karlp> nbever seen anyone try though
2017-08-31T12:39:30 < dongs> the guy who pays with shitcoin probly wears a trenchcoat and shit
2017-08-31T12:39:32 < dongs> lookin alll shady
2017-08-31T12:39:38 < zyp> I'm planning to add bitcoin payment support to my webstore thing
2017-08-31T12:40:57 < zyp> I started on that a couple of weeks ago, but then I found a ton of other things to improve in the store system first
2017-08-31T12:46:58 < karlp> so you still have traditional payment processor for cards, but handling bitcoin yourself?
2017-08-31T12:47:21 < karlp> you're just doing the cart+inventory+order stuff from scratch, because.... you hate the existing ones?
2017-08-31T12:47:38 < zyp> traditional payment processor in this case being "yeah, just paypal me some money"
2017-08-31T12:47:45 < dongs> he just loves to rewrite it in GAYPYTHON
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2017-08-31T12:49:02 < karlp> credti card only via paypal sucks.
2017-08-31T12:49:24 < karlp> it's either sign up for paypal, or have paypal "verify" you even for guest access, which they don't deduct from the finalsum
2017-08-31T12:49:29 < karlp> can't stand paypal
2017-08-31T12:52:11 < zyp> to be realistic, what percentage of people doing online shopping haven't signed up for paypal already?
2017-08-31T12:54:38 < dongs> there;s hope for zyp still https://youtu.be/y-3i1SmQcSM?t=478
2017-08-31T12:55:29 < karlp> lots?
2017-08-31T12:55:57 < dongs> karlp: only weirdo 'gaypal sux' group
2017-08-31T12:56:02 < dongs> that think its out to steal their money or something
2017-08-31T12:56:05 < dongs> everyone eles just uses it
2017-08-31T12:58:08 < karlp> that's why we keep having it's cancer.
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2017-08-31T13:20:47 < dongs> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/31/man-throws-70-lit-fireworks-pizza-takeaway-liverpool laurenceb has bene busy
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2017-08-31T14:26:23 < Laurenceb> englishman: rage
2017-08-31T14:26:30 < Laurenceb> I need high sps magno
2017-08-31T14:26:48 < Laurenceb> guess I have some lsm9ds1 still
2017-08-31T14:28:12 < ohsix> my entire day was awesome, and i realized on the drive home that none of it would have happened if dongs hadn't ignored me last year
2017-08-31T14:28:26 < ohsix> hashtag life
2017-08-31T14:29:25 < ohsix> i hang out a published dude who was popular among my contemporaries during my formative years olol, and that was just in the afternoon
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2017-08-31T14:29:48 < ohsix> <3 it's almost 5am, had to say that somewhere
2017-08-31T14:36:22 < Laurenceb> blogposting intensifies
2017-08-31T14:36:42 < Laurenceb> hmm I should benchmark my LSM9DS1 properly
2017-08-31T14:38:13 < Laurenceb> LSM6DSL specs totally pwn everything else
2017-08-31T14:38:33 < Laurenceb> but maybes their other stuff is also good
2017-08-31T14:38:48 < c10ud^> if u just need mag there's lis3mdl
2017-08-31T14:39:44 < Laurenceb> yeah but no stock
2017-08-31T14:39:51 < Laurenceb> as englishman was saying
2017-08-31T14:40:43 < c10ud^> oh
2017-08-31T14:41:05 < c10ud^> Manufacturer Standard Lead Time 	20 Weeks
2017-08-31T14:41:06 < c10ud^> wut
2017-08-31T14:41:25 < Laurenceb> freaking st
2017-08-31T14:41:41 < Laurenceb> this always happens with their sensors
2017-08-31T14:42:00 < Laurenceb> probably sending all stock to ipwn 8 factory or something
2017-08-31T14:43:38 < c10ud^> funny thing is I have that on a thing I'm working on, and now I know I won't be able to make 5 more if I need to (which I will in a month or so)
2017-08-31T14:44:25 < c10ud^> thanks for screwing with me st
2017-08-31T14:44:29 < c10ud^> lol
2017-08-31T14:47:00 < Laurenceb> you could buy dev boards and desolder the sensors
2017-08-31T14:50:21 < dongs> good luck desoldering a compass
2017-08-31T14:52:31 < Laurenceb> wut done it already
2017-08-31T14:52:45 < jpa-> no probs with hot air
2017-08-31T14:53:34 < Laurenceb> yeah#
2017-08-31T14:53:49 < jpa-> haha, 65483 pcs on backorder on mouser :P
2017-08-31T14:54:18 < Laurenceb> prob going into iphone 8 or something
2017-08-31T14:55:30 < c10ud^> yeah the guy who soldered it put it in the wrong direction, desoldered and resoldered it was still working as expected
2017-08-31T14:56:03 < c10ud^> I would figure people put more comprehensive sensors in phones nowadasy
2017-08-31T14:56:05 < Laurenceb> derp
2017-08-31T14:56:13 < Laurenceb> huh
2017-08-31T14:56:23 < Laurenceb> apple have used st stuff in the past
2017-08-31T14:57:05 < jpa-> mag sensor may make sense to have separately, because it has different placement needs than acc/gyro
2017-08-31T14:59:54 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/5yXtBj.jpeg
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2017-08-31T15:15:32 < dongs> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/altium-designer-18-info/ fucking great. so altium also starts using bullshit hipster black on black UI
2017-08-31T15:16:24 < dongs> wat kinda niggers (see wat i did here) thought this was a good fucking idea
2017-08-31T15:17:06 < Laurenceb> The age limit for pederasty in ancient Greece seems to encompass, at the minimum end, boys of twelve years of age. To love a boy below the age of twelve was considered inappropriate, but no evidence exists of any legal penalties attached to this sort of practice
2017-08-31T15:17:13 < Laurenceb>  ^ Milo explained
2017-08-31T15:20:07 < dongs> where the fuck are studies
2017-08-31T15:20:23 < dongs> proving that staring all *DAY* at fucking gray shit makes you more productive
2017-08-31T15:22:48 < Laurenceb> that reminds me
2017-08-31T15:22:55 < Laurenceb> I need to fix lunix mint themew
2017-08-31T15:28:49 < PeterM> best fix sudo rm -rf /
2017-08-31T15:29:16 < dongs> thats not a fix
2017-08-31T15:29:33 < dongs> bestfix is windows 10 15063 USB install stick
2017-08-31T15:30:04 < PeterM> it removes the infection, no?
2017-08-31T15:30:23 < dongs> but remains the computer useless
2017-08-31T15:30:29 < dongs> just as it was while lunix was still running
2017-08-31T15:30:36 < dongs> windows 10 install on the other hand makes it useful again
2017-08-31T15:30:53 < PeterM> true
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2017-08-31T15:38:36 < Laurenceb> woah
2017-08-31T15:38:40 < Laurenceb> usb audio is working
2017-08-31T15:38:42 < Laurenceb> sort of
2017-08-31T15:39:29 < Laurenceb> Breakpoint 2, USBD_AUDIO_DataIn (pdev=0x200001d8 <hUsbDeviceFS>,
2017-08-31T15:39:31 < zyp> about fucking time
2017-08-31T15:39:47 < Laurenceb> for some reason DataIn is called several times as it connects
2017-08-31T15:40:01 < dongs> haha, gdb breakpoints
2017-08-31T15:40:11 < dongs> hm this matrix isnt scanning. what hte shit am i doing wrong
2017-08-31T15:40:16 < Laurenceb> also USBD_AUDIO_Sync doesnt do anything
2017-08-31T15:40:26 < Laurenceb>  s/do anything/isn't called ever
2017-08-31T15:41:19 < Laurenceb> hmm how 2 sync the data
2017-08-31T15:45:06 < dongs> pulseaudio
2017-08-31T15:47:23 < Laurenceb> USBD_AUDIO_Sync isnt referenced by anything
2017-08-31T15:47:24 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-08-31T15:47:29 < Laurenceb> broken st shit
2017-08-31T15:54:04 < Laurenceb> yeah it could be lunix actually
2017-08-31T15:54:16 < Laurenceb> almost looks like it tried grabbing a bit of audio data
2017-08-31T16:00:50 < zyp> yeah, blame everything but your own code
2017-08-31T16:05:35 < Laurenceb> haudio->if2_alt_setting is alternately set to 0 and 1 ten different times
2017-08-31T16:07:01 < Laurenceb> actually maybe I can use that
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2017-08-31T16:07:15 < Laurenceb> reset the buffers each time it's set to 1
2017-08-31T16:15:08 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/BWkmx5K.jpg
2017-08-31T16:21:01 < zyp> well, duh, that's the point
2017-08-31T16:21:34 < zyp> the audio interface is only enabled when the actual altsetting is active
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2017-08-31T16:22:24 < zyp> deselecting an altsetting should destroy all related pipes
2017-08-31T16:23:04 < zyp> in practice you can just clear them if they won't be used for anything else
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2017-08-31T16:43:22 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/vlelGIh
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2017-08-31T16:47:16 < dongs> unfortunately i learned who that is today
2017-08-31T16:47:26 < dongs> probably shouldnt have
2017-08-31T16:48:03 < Laurenceb> implying you aren't his best friend weev
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2017-08-31T17:01:01 < tomeaton17> My stm32 is protected so I can't flash it, how do I unprotect it
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2017-08-31T17:01:23 < zyp> mass erase
2017-08-31T17:04:08 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-08-31T17:04:26 < Laurenceb> lunix reads about 5s of audio when my device connects
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2017-08-31T17:05:20 < Laurenceb> also the first frame seems to be buffered
2017-08-31T17:05:27 < Laurenceb> time to add timestamping
2017-08-31T17:05:29 < zyp> might be testing that it works
2017-08-31T17:05:45 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-08-31T17:06:07 < Laurenceb> I'll timestamp each frame with realtime and look in hex editor
2017-08-31T17:06:26 < zyp> don't start kludging stuff on top of usb audio if it doesn't do what you want, just drop the audio layer and use plain iso
2017-08-31T17:06:39 < Laurenceb> well it's close enough
2017-08-31T17:06:54 < Laurenceb> using the ctrl endpoint commands to flush buffers seems to work
2017-08-31T17:08:28 < tomeaton17> still the same problem after st-flash erase
2017-08-31T17:08:45  * karlp smells someone using texane.
2017-08-31T17:12:42 < tomeaton17> indeed
2017-08-31T17:15:07 < zyp> maybe you should solve that
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2017-08-31T17:24:09 < Thorn> tomeaton17: use the official st-link software (google STSW-LINK004)
2017-08-31T17:24:33 < tomeaton17> Whats wrong with it?
2017-08-31T17:26:35 < tomeaton17> And I am on linux
2017-08-31T17:28:09 < Steffanx> Are you actually sending audio Laurenceb ?
2017-08-31T17:28:19 < Laurenceb> no, imu data
2017-08-31T17:28:23 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-08-31T17:28:40 < Steffanx> Ok
2017-08-31T17:29:01 < Steffanx> Better rs485
2017-08-31T17:31:43 < Thorn> I once worked with a frontend dev (html coder) who didn't get any work done because he was on linux and couldn't use photoshop
2017-08-31T17:31:49 < Thorn> we soon parted ways
2017-08-31T17:32:11 < tpw_rules> uh
2017-08-31T17:32:23 < tpw_rules> could he not obtain windows?
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2017-08-31T17:43:45 < c10ud^> probably buy photoshop
2017-08-31T17:43:57 < tomeaton17> Fair enough st-link utility solved it
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2017-08-31T18:08:36 < Laurenceb> ok I see what happens
2017-08-31T18:09:01 < Laurenceb> lunix grabs 5s of audio when the device enumerates
2017-08-31T18:09:13 < Laurenceb> then leaves one frame hanging in a buffer somewhere
2017-08-31T18:09:29 < Laurenceb> so the first frame of audio thats read is old
2017-08-31T18:10:48 < tpw_rules> wait until someone turns on mono mixing
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2017-08-31T18:23:35 < aandrew> Laurenceb: fun times
2017-08-31T18:23:55 < aandrew> 5s is a lot though, wow
2017-08-31T18:24:07 < Laurenceb> its not a huge issue, but means its not very user friendly
2017-08-31T18:24:19 < Laurenceb> as the user has to remove the first ms of raw data
2017-08-31T18:25:14 < aandrew> you could do it in the device driver I guess, but you probably aren't in charge of that end of it
2017-08-31T18:25:15 < Laurenceb> if I break in the middle of the read lunix gives up
2017-08-31T18:25:33 < Laurenceb> yeah its designed to be plug and play with audacity or whatever
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2017-08-31T18:29:11 < Laurenceb> bDelay 1
2017-08-31T18:29:13 < Laurenceb> hmmm
2017-08-31T18:29:56 < Laurenceb> wonder if this is a deliberate delay
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2017-08-31T18:40:44 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/xN8LeDyd
2017-08-31T18:40:50 < Laurenceb> 2 channel, 10ksps data
2017-08-31T18:41:56 < Rob235> oi
2017-08-31T18:41:58 < Laurenceb> each frame starts with number of endpoint transfers since ctrl buffer flush, total transfers, time in ms since device connected
2017-08-31T18:42:25 < Laurenceb> I hit record as soon as I plugged it in
2017-08-31T18:42:54 < Laurenceb> guess this explains why it takes several s to start recording
2017-08-31T18:43:54 < Laurenceb>  *shrug* works well enough
2017-08-31T18:44:01 < Laurenceb> tiem for F042 version
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2017-08-31T19:30:09 < Steffanx> Why audio class Laurenceb? You could have not have these issues you know?
2017-08-31T19:35:27 < karlp> Steffanx: he wants the user to be able to directly "record" the samples, with audio sft like audacity
2017-08-31T19:40:01 < Steffanx> and then convert it to some other format to let mathlab do stuff?
2017-08-31T19:40:17  * karlp shrugs
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2017-08-31T19:44:58 < karlp> heh, lorem ipsum mailout from arm.
2017-08-31T19:45:09 < karlp> oh heh, only in the plain text portion :)
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2017-08-31T20:12:00 < karlp> nice, seeeds doing cheap steel stencils now too
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2017-08-31T20:35:35 < Rob235> does the touchbar on the new mbp have its own processor?
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2017-08-31T20:41:57 < zyp> it's probably controlled by some MCU, but I don't know if it'll run custom software
2017-08-31T20:42:09 < zyp> I mean, I doubt it would
2017-08-31T20:54:27 < Rob235> The reason I asked was because physical buttons are probably going to disappear from the iphone so I was wondering if they just had a separate controller incase the main system crashed, and to keep those important things fully responsive when needed to control the hardware
2017-08-31T20:54:56 < Rob235> or if it was done by the OS
2017-08-31T20:55:34 < Rob235> and still risked crashes in some, albeit  a smaller set of, cases
2017-08-31T20:57:11 < sync> I guess they #yolo
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2017-08-31T21:00:01 < zyp> I doubt power button would disappear
2017-08-31T21:00:19 < zyp> that said, my watch doesn't have any buttons
2017-08-31T21:00:43 < zyp> only way to turn it on is by putting it in the charger dock
2017-08-31T21:12:37 < jpa-> watchdog should be pretty efective in guarding against simple crashes
2017-08-31T21:12:55 < jpa-> and if there is something that actually prevents it from booting, just having a hardware power button won't do much good
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2017-08-31T22:19:58 < invzim> yay, noctua fans ftw
2017-08-31T22:20:31 < invzim> just changed out a crappy delta something on my desk multimeter
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2017-08-31T22:22:54 < Steffanx> And i bet you love this awesome colour.
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2017-08-31T22:29:09 < invzim> it's terrific :)
2017-08-31T22:37:59 < kakimir> englishlad: did you repair the hot tub or?
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2017-08-31T23:06:04 < englishlad> kakimir: this weekend, i think
2017-08-31T23:06:14 < englishlad> i ran out of glue last weekend, so had to delay ;'(
2017-08-31T23:06:23 < kakimir> what kind of glue?
2017-08-31T23:06:44 < kakimir> give me specifics
2017-08-31T23:06:59 < kakimir> I'm a glue freak
2017-08-31T23:08:00 < Rob235> you like sticky things?
2017-08-31T23:08:22 < BrainDamage> he smells it
2017-08-31T23:09:47 < kakimir> sticky is my thing
2017-08-31T23:18:49 < englishlad> hot tub glue
2017-08-31T23:20:04 < englishlad> http://weldon.com/solvent-cements/pvc-pool-spa-cements/747-pool-r-spa/
2017-08-31T23:20:52 < kakimir> hmm cement
2017-08-31T23:21:09 < kakimir> weld-on brand
2017-08-31T23:21:42 < kakimir> I wonder what this stuff actually is
2017-08-31T23:22:15 < kakimir> oh PVC
2017-08-31T23:22:28 < kakimir> I don't have any pvc resin
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2017-08-31T23:30:29 < kakimir> what did you use all of it then?
2017-08-31T23:30:41 < kakimir> it is simple spray nozzle
2017-08-31T23:31:09 < kakimir> you either glue it or do not have enought glue to even begin
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2017-08-31T23:32:35 < englishman> yes used it all
2017-08-31T23:38:11 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/RMd2NgF
2017-08-31T23:51:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA Taylor time
2017-08-31T23:52:01 < kakimir> *that pop artist
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