--- Log opened Wed Nov 01 00:00:22 2017 2017-11-01T00:01:25 < englishman> this is just for boring uart but i have another ftdi cable acting as a bed of nails test jig with pydongs running it 2017-11-01T00:06:39 < karlp> I mean, the moulded cables are nice, but if you're cheap, cp210x dongles and usb extension cables are ~2-3$ on ali and co 2017-11-01T00:11:41 < qyx> LT3652 works nicely 2017-11-01T00:11:56 < qyx> except that the thing heats a bit when charging at 2A 2017-11-01T00:14:27 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-127-107.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T00:18:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-66-246-241-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-01T00:23:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-19e1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-01T00:23:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-19e1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T00:27:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-19e1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T00:32:57 < kikes> hello pump bro 2017-11-01T00:36:37 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2017-11-01T00:55:34 < renn0xtk9> I do 3 time cat /dev/ttyACM0 2017-11-01T00:55:39 < renn0xtk9> one time it stays blank 2017-11-01T00:55:47 < renn0xtk9> one time i can see my data flowing 2017-11-01T00:55:59 < renn0xtk9> one time it says cat: /dev/ttyACM0: Device or resource busy 2017-11-01T01:00:15 < karlp> did you pay attention when we said earlier not to try and cat things to and from the device file unless you're wizard? 2017-11-01T01:00:34 < karlp> that why lies insanity and far more poking with stty than you really wanted to know 2017-11-01T01:05:21 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T01:06:50 < sync> haha 2017-11-01T01:07:06 < sync> I usually have ok luck with catting out of the file 2017-11-01T01:07:07 < renn0xtk9> karlp what do you mean exactly 2017-11-01T01:07:44 < renn0xtk9> what should I do ? 2017-11-01T01:07:59 < karlp> use picocom/minicom or similar, you'll be far more satisfied with the behaviours 2017-11-01T01:08:05 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T01:08:31 < renn0xtk9> right I will try it soon 2017-11-01T01:08:43 < renn0xtk9> but If I have cat: /dev/ttyACM0: Device or resource busy 2017-11-01T01:08:51 < karlp> what part aren't you following? 2017-11-01T01:08:59 < renn0xtk9> I would be surprised if the problem comes from the host side 2017-11-01T01:09:28 < karlp> then go solve it. 2017-11-01T01:09:33 < karlp> either ask for help or don't 2017-11-01T01:09:52 < renn0xtk9> karlp , yes that is the point of my question ;) if anyone has a clue on how to solve it 2017-11-01T01:11:06 < renn0xtk9> Looking on the web I see 10^10^10 users making things over the serial port and catting, and everything works fine for them. So when I trying the comport with an mcu and it does not fully work the first thing I suspect is not the catting.. 2017-11-01T01:11:30 < renn0xtk9> It is like if you develop your own software, it crashes and then you say "that must be the OS" 2017-11-01T01:11:32 < karlp> the thing with catting is that it works right up until it doesn't 2017-11-01T01:11:57 < karlp> and you _must_ be using stty and friends to set up the port before you try using cat. 2017-11-01T01:12:45 < renn0xtk9> cat: /dev/ttyACM0: Device or resource busy < " I suspect Device or ressource busy here comes down from tht OS not the cat 2017-11-01T01:14:51 < renn0xtk9> karlp FYI https://paste.opensuse.org/28523540 2017-11-01T01:15:17 < karlp> great, but now you're going to get a consistent answers from cat. 2017-11-01T01:15:26 < karlp> earlier, remember, how it only gave you that sometimes? 2017-11-01T01:15:31 < karlp> and sometimes it returned immediately? 2017-11-01T01:17:02 < renn0xtk9> but the problem is exactly the same with cat or picocom, I have to initiate the connection with .e.g. "echo "t" >>/dev/ttyACM0" for it to work 2017-11-01T01:17:14 < renn0xtk9> and that problem must come from the STM32 2017-11-01T01:17:36 < karlp> clearly you've not done a very good job of followingg the st example code then :) 2017-11-01T01:17:53 < renn0xtk9> well I copy paste their code 2017-11-01T01:17:59 < renn0xtk9> and to say more on that 2017-11-01T01:18:09 < renn0xtk9> there are actually two examples 2017-11-01T01:18:11 < karlp> that was, what, 8 hours ago? 2017-11-01T01:18:33 < renn0xtk9> I don't do only this, inbetween I have been away;) 2017-11-01T01:18:52 < renn0xtk9> one examples is a I said a not working - not example (since they don't make use) 2017-11-01T01:19:24 < renn0xtk9> the second is with the loopback, which is probably the one dong was talking about when he though i knew what I was talking about 2017-11-01T01:19:39 < karlp> (protip, he does) 2017-11-01T01:20:06 < renn0xtk9> as a matter of fact he was talking about example 2 while I was working on 1 and I mentionned it , 2017-11-01T01:20:39 < renn0xtk9> it did not read what i was writing he was to much occupied wrintg "fucking idiot fucking fudkcd duckfuck " 2017-11-01T01:21:14 < renn0xtk9> second, if you want to prove me you are of superior intelligence you may welll give a hint on were it come from since 2017-11-01T01:21:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T01:21:34 < renn0xtk9> 1) you picocom storry was not a particulary a non wasting time stuff 2017-11-01T01:22:12 < renn0xtk9> 2)only achievement you claim so far is copy pasting ST examples successfuuly.. 2017-11-01T01:22:18 < Laurenceb_> sup trollz 2017-11-01T01:22:33 < karlp> no. I'm saying you were going to continually run into problems if you just try echo and cat with the device files. 2017-11-01T01:22:47 < Laurenceb_> meow 2017-11-01T01:22:49 < karlp> I would imagine you're not handling control requests early on in your usb init 2017-11-01T01:23:06 < karlp> likely as a result of not following the examples :) 2017-11-01T01:25:02 < renn0xtk9> well ;) there is virtually only a few line chaing with regards to the examples and that is where I blink a LED 2017-11-01T01:25:03 -!- kikes [~Janne@87-95-97-201.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-01T01:25:30 < renn0xtk9> therefore very unlikely that I screw up the USB request handling from within the main 2017-11-01T01:26:06 < renn0xtk9> moreover googling I have already found 3-4 thread (unsolved) of issue with STM32 and serial 2017-11-01T01:26:21 < renn0xtk9> therefore I would more suspect ST to not be fully linux compliant 2017-11-01T01:27:05 < renn0xtk9> well I know the whole virtual com port principle is already a hack in itslef but still... 2017-11-01T01:27:59 < renn0xtk9> and btw Laurenceb_ who's trolling who, I don't insult anybody so far, they did... 2017-11-01T01:28:42 < karlp> not really a hack, not a great use of usb, but a very well documented, standardized usage of usb. 2017-11-01T01:29:07 < Laurenceb_> renn0xtk9: everyone is trolling everyone 2017-11-01T01:29:15 < Laurenceb_> see emdrive 2017-11-01T01:30:01 < upgrdman> looking for a way to capture webcam video with java. "JavaCV works well" ... the fucking Jar is >200MB lol 2017-11-01T01:30:37 < renn0xtk9> can it be somewhere that the STM32 is asking blocking access to /dev/ttyACM0 file 2017-11-01T01:30:58 < renn0xtk9> which would explain why device or ressource busy 2017-11-01T01:31:26 < renn0xtk9> and then when echo "t" >>/dev/ttyACM0 it would somehow stop the blocking access 2017-11-01T01:31:45 < karlp> the stm32 doesn't ask for anything, usb is host drive. 2017-11-01T01:32:38 < renn0xtk9> yeah but I don't remember exactly now but when you write you URB that is a parameter 2017-11-01T01:33:01 < renn0xtk9> maybe this one is badly defined, at lesat for the first one that will initiate communitcation 2017-11-01T01:33:02 < karlp> yes, but that's on the host side 2017-11-01T01:33:21 < karlp> no, if you somehow need to send a char to be able to start receiving chars, you've got a busted model 2017-11-01T01:33:24 < renn0xtk9> yeah true the driver 2017-11-01T01:33:33 < Laurenceb_> so is CubeMX 2017-11-01T01:33:51 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, is PubeMX java trash? 2017-11-01T01:33:57 < sync> yes 2017-11-01T01:34:00 < upgrdman> o lol 2017-11-01T01:34:03 < upgrdman> cool 2017-11-01T01:34:16 < renn0xtk9> never blame host or material, before code is provem 100.0% correct ^^ 2017-11-01T01:34:33 < karlp> yes, it's very unlikely you have a host issue. 2017-11-01T01:35:04 < renn0xtk9> load of thread I read suggest bad interface desription on stm32 side 2017-11-01T01:35:12 < renn0xtk9> like it try to present itself as a modem 2017-11-01T01:35:38 < renn0xtk9> but maybe somehow the desciption is wrong 2017-11-01T01:35:45 < karlp> I'd suggest the statemachine of how you setup transfers, assuming you copied the descriptors from somewhere working and didn't try hacking them to make them "special" 2017-11-01T01:37:01 < renn0xtk9> what do you mean statemachine of how you setup transfers 2017-11-01T01:40:09 < renn0xtk9> right got to go 2017-11-01T01:40:18 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:404b:4d13:b77d:4a8d] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-01T01:55:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-01T01:55:52 < Laurenceb_> lol russians btfo https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/31/russias_vpn_law_comes_into_effect/ 2017-11-01T01:56:06 < Laurenceb_> where is ur based putin now 2017-11-01T01:58:31 < Laurenceb_> > Among those banned websites are Wikipedia 2017-11-01T01:58:34 < Laurenceb_> my fucking sides 2017-11-01T02:00:58 < kakimir> wikipedia waas 2017-11-01T02:01:07 < kakimir> that's hardcore 2017-11-01T02:01:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T02:05:09 < Laurenceb_> time to run some cables across the border 2017-11-01T02:05:36 < Laurenceb_> >removed access to GitHub 2017-11-01T02:07:58 < kakimir> they have their own github 2017-11-01T02:08:02 < kakimir> run by putin 2017-11-01T02:08:45 < kakimir> at least soon they have 2017-11-01T02:10:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T02:11:41 < kakimir> hah.. also amazon.. like half of internets run on amazon 2017-11-01T02:20:17 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-127-107.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T02:25:56 < englishman> welcome back kakimir 2017-11-01T02:26:16 < englishman> 7:26 PM therefore I would more suspect ST to not be fully linux compliant 2017-11-01T02:26:18 < englishman> ... 2017-11-01T02:28:15 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T02:29:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD0sXcUHT1g 2017-11-01T02:29:03 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2017-11-01T02:29:06 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T02:30:28 < kakimir> server has been fixed 2017-11-01T02:30:40 < kakimir> -14C measured englishman 2017-11-01T02:31:06 < englishman> yikes 2017-11-01T02:38:16 < Laurenceb_> wut 2017-11-01T02:38:20 < Laurenceb_> thats not cold 2017-11-01T02:39:06 < upgrdman> anyone played with OpenCV? is it amazeballs or does the novelty wear off pretty quick? 2017-11-01T02:41:58 < englishman> https://status.slack.com/ 2017-11-01T02:42:09 < englishman> rip 2017-11-01T02:45:13 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: the cat detection looks cool 2017-11-01T02:45:22 < Laurenceb_> I want to make a killbot with it 2017-11-01T02:45:31 < Laurenceb_> apparently it can detect cats at ~2fps 2017-11-01T02:45:33 < Laurenceb_> with Rpi 2017-11-01T02:47:31 < Ultrasauce> upgrdman I messed with it a few years ago, it was undergoing some growing pains with a major api change at the time and performance was an issue 2017-11-01T02:47:40 < Ultrasauce> it has cuda support now though which is pretty dank 2017-11-01T02:49:19 < dongs> "open" shit going through API change, what a fucking shocker 2017-11-01T02:49:55 < dongs> fuck existing code, opensores faggots have nothing better to do than keep rewriting their shit every time version 0.1 of freefaggotlib gets released right? 2017-11-01T02:50:06 < Ultrasauce> well it was moving from c to c++ 2017-11-01T02:50:12 < Ultrasauce> which is necessarily a clusterfuck 2017-11-01T02:50:18 < dongs> so from being somewhat usable to complete trash 2017-11-01T02:50:26 < dongs> does it really only have gay++ api now? 2017-11-01T02:50:31 < Ultrasauce> idk 2017-11-01T02:51:03 < Ultrasauce> looks like they successfully generalized it to having different language interfaces 2017-11-01T02:51:42 < Ultrasauce> and it does ML stuff now I guess, neat 2017-11-01T02:52:05 < upgrdman> ya theres JavaCV for us java fags 2017-11-01T02:57:28 < englishman> you meant MLP of course 2017-11-01T02:57:48 < Laurenceb_> lul Java 2017-11-01T02:58:25 < Laurenceb_> I was watching some demos of OpenCV the other day 2017-11-01T02:58:47 < englishman> opencv seems ok but i wonder why they have all this lunix input/output stuff as well 2017-11-01T02:58:50 < Laurenceb_> I'd actually say that the neural network object recognition is approaching human levels 2017-11-01T02:59:28 < Laurenceb_> it just looks shit because it doesnt have any other info 2017-11-01T02:59:45 < englishman> upgrdman, what do you want to do 2017-11-01T02:59:48 < englishman> shit like this exists https://cloud.google.com/vision/ 2017-11-01T02:59:50 < Laurenceb_> it needs spacial/temporal/dynamic/contextual filtering 2017-11-01T03:00:04 < Laurenceb_> with all that added it might be human level 2017-11-01T03:00:22 < dongs> need to train it wiht as many dickpics as possible 2017-11-01T03:00:39 < Laurenceb_> if you were on drugs and utterly incoherent and disconnected fromreality you'd be about as good as OpenCV atm 2017-11-01T03:01:10 < englishman> dongs, that was the plot of a silicon valley-themed tv show 2017-11-01T03:01:21 < upgrdman> englishman, i actually dont have any need right now. it just seems like their webcam api for java might be the easiest way to capture video for my telemetry viewer program, and i figure that dicking with opencv later on might be nice. learning opengl really kinda expanded my capabilities more than i thought it would, and i feel like CV could have similar results 2017-11-01T03:02:02 < Laurenceb_> > telemetry viewer program 2017-11-01T03:02:04 < dongs> englishman: i wouldnt know, i dont watch american TV i only watch Jpop music videos 2017-11-01T03:02:16 < Laurenceb_> heh, grabbing shit off screens? 2017-11-01T03:04:31 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, this thing https://youtu.be/hooo9Ro06Bs?t=13 2017-11-01T03:04:58 < englishman> dongs, 世界でいちばんおひめさま そういう扱い　心得てよね その一　いつもと違う髪形に気がつくこと その二　ちゃんと靴までみること いいね？ その三　わたしの一言には三つの言葉で返事すること わかったら右手がお留守なのを　なんとかして！ 2017-11-01T03:05:11 < dongs> englishman: all i see is question marks 2017-11-01T03:05:15 < dongs> < englishman> dongs, ???????????????????????? ???????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? 2017-11-01T03:05:23 < englishman> do you not have jappu charset 2017-11-01T03:05:38 < Laurenceb_> v nice 2017-11-01T03:05:40 < dongs> i installed this shitbox in like 2001 2017-11-01T03:05:43 < dongs> and havent updated it since 2017-11-01T03:05:51 < englishman> not much nip on irc i guess 2017-11-01T03:06:39 * Laurenceb_ worked on a work project to grab data from screen filmed by cameraphone 2017-11-01T03:07:01 < Laurenceb_> ended up using ffmpeg -> png screenshots at 5hz -> matlab 2017-11-01T03:07:15 < dongs> internal project name was "horseshit" 2017-11-01T03:07:19 < Laurenceb_> yes 2017-11-01T03:07:29 < Laurenceb_> it was write once 2017-11-01T03:07:48 < Laurenceb_> just got given 1TB of raw video, had to digitise all the monitors 2017-11-01T03:08:53 < Laurenceb_> line detect -> rectangle detect -> perspective transform -> ocr 2017-11-01T03:09:00 < Laurenceb_> using matlab cvlibs 2017-11-01T03:09:26 < dongs> was that a legally licensed copy of matlab or do you keep misspelling "octave" 2017-11-01T03:10:44 < Thorn> on-screen data to be processed looked like this: Password: [*****a ] 2017-11-01T03:11:10 < Laurenceb_> twas octave 2017-11-01T03:11:20 < dongs> gross 2017-11-01T03:11:46 < Laurenceb_> whats wrong with octave 2017-11-01T03:12:00 < Laurenceb_> at least u can avoid the cancerous matlab gui 2017-11-01T03:20:05 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T03:26:13 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2017-11-01T03:34:24 < englishman> if piksi locks onto too many sats (possible with new GLONASS-enabling update) it runs out of cpu time and resets 2017-11-01T03:37:45 < dongs> professional 2017-11-01T03:38:35 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXMeuOr4K8 2017-11-01T03:42:05 < englishman> nice 2017-11-01T03:42:17 < dongs> motherfucker 2017-11-01T03:42:22 < dongs> clicked before i saw who iot was from 2017-11-01T03:42:29 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b] 2017-11-01T03:43:50 < englishman> spent thousands of bux on delay line ICs today for dumb project 2017-11-01T03:44:43 < dongs> wat are those 2017-11-01T03:45:15 < englishman> signal goes in, delayed signal goes out 2017-11-01T03:45:21 < englishman> multiple taps for multiple delays 2017-11-01T03:45:25 < dongs> yeah what do you use that shit for 2017-11-01T03:45:29 < dongs> ghetto power sequencing? 2017-11-01T03:45:30 < englishman> lazors 2017-11-01T03:46:02 < englishman> not really ghetto when they're $5 each 2017-11-01T03:48:30 < Laurenceb_> arent piksi guys in the channel? 2017-11-01T03:48:40 < Laurenceb_> long tiem lurkers 2017-11-01T03:53:06 < kakimir> Thorn: now that is not bobcat 2017-11-01T03:53:18 < kakimir> that looks like a mountain lion 2017-11-01T03:53:38 < Laurenceb_> I hear a mountain lion 2017-11-01T03:54:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEWHMfTEV0 2017-11-01T04:09:31 < dongs> low quality shitpost 2017-11-01T04:09:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T04:12:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T04:19:18 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075QG8R4J 2017-11-01T04:19:19 < dongs> gross 2017-11-01T04:20:57 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwjNrxVd-1E finland 2017-11-01T04:24:32 < branjb> tuesday was a bad day to recieve packages 2017-11-01T04:24:39 < branjb> some trick or treat fags stole my stepper drivers 2017-11-01T04:26:53 < dongs> Lol 2017-11-01T04:27:01 < Syke> so in Your stone-aged country having temperature measured with Freedom units, parcel service leaves packages on door steps? 2017-11-01T04:27:22 < Ultrasauce> wait is there some utopia where couriers don't suck? 2017-11-01T04:27:36 < branjb> amazon uses random people to deliver packages, so no mailbox keys 2017-11-01T04:27:58 < Syke> I have heard systems, where parcels are usually delivered to your nearest convenient snackbar shop 2017-11-01T04:30:25 < englishman> my random amazon dudes have all been pretty legit 2017-11-01T04:31:25 < branjb> mine too 2017-11-01T04:31:31 < branjb> i didn't get home till 7 2017-11-01T04:31:57 < branjb> 99% sure some tricker treater just scored some free stepper drivers 2017-11-01T04:33:30 < englishman> heres hoping he chokes to death on them 🍺 2017-11-01T04:36:39 < branjb> 🍺 2017-11-01T04:36:51 < dongs> < Ultrasauce> wait is there some utopia where couriers don't suck? 2017-11-01T04:37:01 < dongs> yes, in japan they will just bring shit into my office and leave it inside 2017-11-01T04:37:07 < dongs> even while im out 2017-11-01T04:37:17 < branjb> in japan they probably give you a complimentry foot massage with each delivery 2017-11-01T04:47:55 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-01T04:48:41 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T04:51:55 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:d994:5568:d3c2:e0cf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-01T05:09:10 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/xal5lef3s2vz.png 2017-11-01T05:10:21 < dongs> fucking pro 2017-11-01T05:20:04 < Ultrasauce> could probably do some serious fuckery to make it actually work based on how deep it gets before the stack overflows 2017-11-01T05:20:54 < upgrdman> nice usb hub https://i.redd.it/s3tft29xt5vz.jpg 2017-11-01T05:23:14 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/dril/status/925508436674121728 2017-11-01T05:23:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: you seen american vandal? 2017-11-01T05:24:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, never heard of it. is that a movie? 2017-11-01T05:27:27 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T05:33:53 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T05:39:43 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T05:41:15 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T06:09:31 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-63-174.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-01T06:29:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T06:32:46 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/11/01/032219232.jpg hey this guy is taking pix of pcbs on top of cf 2017-11-01T06:33:26 < dongs> I ordered 10 PCB and received 12!!? 2017-11-01T06:33:37 < dongs> i got this guy beat, i ordered 4 pcbs and received 20 2017-11-01T06:39:54 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/10/12/153405151.jpg 2017-11-01T06:40:48 < dongs> fucking poles 2017-11-01T06:42:42 < englishman> dongs: etest fails are so common, fabbing 20% extra is std 2017-11-01T06:43:12 < dongs> im just pasting shit from alpcb 2017-11-01T06:45:39 < englishman> did you see that etest fail I had today 2017-11-01T06:45:49 < dongs> nope, pics 2017-11-01T06:46:03 < englishman> nda 2017-11-01T06:46:17 < englishman> 15x15" PCB with pwr planes 2017-11-01T06:46:26 < englishman> 40nf capacitance 2017-11-01T06:46:46 < englishman> 3ms dwell time on etest probes was insufficient, came back as short 2017-11-01T06:47:31 < dongs> cool 2017-11-01T06:48:02 < englishman> yeah interesting problem 2017-11-01T07:00:44 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f13e:c414:d247:1d66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T07:01:00 < Thorn> I once ordered 100 pcbs and received 200 2017-11-01T07:05:58 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-01T07:07:10 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T07:40:03 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T07:40:48 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T07:41:27 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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the low order bits faster, still not 16 but you get most of the benefit 2017-11-01T09:06:03 < ohsix> have you guys seen this stuff? https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Electrically-Conductive-Adhesive-Transfer-Tape-9703 2017-11-01T09:06:06 < ohsix> esp ReadError 2017-11-01T09:06:21 < ohsix> you can use it to stick smd parts to a pcb during prototyping and shit 2017-11-01T09:06:22 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.53.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-01T09:07:22 < ReadErr> eh 2017-11-01T09:07:34 < ReadErr> trying to get small smd parts off sticky shit 2017-11-01T09:07:40 < ReadErr> wouldnt be fun 2017-11-01T09:08:16 < ohsix> heh 2017-11-01T09:08:52 < ohsix> i think you're missing the thing, it's not for resistors and shit 2017-11-01T09:09:12 < ohsix> though i suppose you could do that, but you'd probably be wasting your time 2017-11-01T09:09:39 < ohsix> after you toast a flight controller you can put another chip on it without rework ;] 2017-11-01T09:10:25 < ohsix> or if you have one of those breakouts for fine pitched cables, you can keep it unpopulated with the connectors, and stick the tape, or tapes onto part of the strip 2017-11-01T09:10:30 < Thorn> why different sample rates? 2017-11-01T09:11:31 < ReadErr> ohsix: its just a big list of products 2017-11-01T09:11:35 < ohsix> it's the only thing i could think of to trade off, you could sample any of the 8 or 12 bits faster 2017-11-01T09:11:38 < ReadErr> when i click it 2017-11-01T09:12:01 < ohsix> ah, sec 2017-11-01T09:12:24 < ohsix> damn that's dumb, got a url slug that doesn't mean anything https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Electrically-Conductive-Adhesive-Transfer-Tape-9703?N=5002385+3294001720&rt=rud 2017-11-01T09:13:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@2.71.73.232.mobile.tre.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T09:15:49 < ohsix> Thorn: oh, you could program the reference to window one of the adcs against the other too; not just around the lsb 2017-11-01T09:16:40 < ohsix> keep the vref within 500mv of the control signal and you're supersampling an area of interest projected onto the other 2017-11-01T09:17:27 < ohsix> guess you could do that with one tho :| 2017-11-01T09:20:14 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@2.71.73.232.mobile.tre.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T09:20:34 < ohsix> then again ... a low pass filter, ac coupled signal would give you a derivative of the main signal around zero 2017-11-01T09:20:47 -!- sterna [~Adium@2.71.73.232.mobile.tre.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-01T09:21:09 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T09:23:26 < ohsix> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/digital/chpt-13/tracking-adc/ cute 2017-11-01T09:25:21 < ohsix> oh huh durrrrrrr, you can time multiplex them to double sample rate too 2017-11-01T09:29:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@2.71.73.232.mobile.tre.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T09:30:16 -!- sterna1 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2017-11-01T11:37:43 < stvn> where is steffan 2017-11-01T11:45:42 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-01T11:54:02 < Steffanx> Dead 2017-11-01T11:56:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-01T11:58:34 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-01T12:03:39 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a5b5:62d:5b71:531b] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T12:09:48 < blacktronics> Rip 2017-11-01T12:10:28 < blacktronics> stvn: very innovative, VW couldn't have done it better 2017-11-01T12:23:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T12:33:32 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.53.118] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T12:50:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T12:58:39 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.53.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T13:00:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-01T13:02:14 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T13:15:58 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a5b5:62d:5b71:531b] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-01T13:16:19 < Steffanx> Who is blacktronics? 2017-11-01T13:29:24 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oeowpzihhbsqeiyx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2017-11-01T13:32:37 < blacktronics> Steffanx: yeah I'd like to know that as well. Cunt has been following me around since i was born 2017-11-01T13:32:55 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T13:43:40 < karlp> yout ube ads from the sdcard association? what the hell did I get on? 2017-11-01T13:44:55 < zyp> haha 2017-11-01T13:46:05 < karlp> i guess it must be from watching an elce video on emmc/ufs/nvme stacks 2017-11-01T13:52:20 < zyp> any crypto pros here? 2017-11-01T13:53:46 < zyp> I'm looking at some shit that's using AES for generating authentication tokens, and I wonder if it's as insecure as it looks 2017-11-01T13:56:28 < zyp> there's a server issuing challenge tokens, to talk to the server the client must calculate a key token corresponding to the current challenge 2017-11-01T13:57:20 < karlp> sounds like someone rolled their own crypto from pieces. 2017-11-01T13:57:36 < karlp> and what, everyone has the same shared AES key? 2017-11-01T13:57:39 < zyp> the key token is calculated by encrypting the challenge token 2017-11-01T13:57:53 < zyp> yes 2017-11-01T13:57:57 < karlp> soudns dumb 2017-11-01T13:58:24 < karlp> no way of revoking bad clients, no way of separating clients 2017-11-01T13:58:27 * karlp shrugs 2017-11-01T13:58:31 < karlp> not a crypto guy 2017-11-01T13:58:49 < karlp> is this just to get a secure channel to sign up for a unique per client channel? 2017-11-01T13:59:05 < zyp> it's using AES_CBC with a 128-bit configured key and a fixed IV 2017-11-01T13:59:31 < zyp> the fixed IV essentially reduces security to that of AES ECB as far as I can tell 2017-11-01T14:00:35 < zyp> karlp, no, but multi-client is not a concern 2017-11-01T14:01:09 < zyp> this is used to authenticate commands issued to the server 2017-11-01T14:01:30 < karlp> yeah, but you can't auth who they came from, just that they came freom _someone_ who had the master key. 2017-11-01T14:01:50 < zyp> yes, that's not a problem 2017-11-01T14:02:05 < karlp> ok then :) 2017-11-01T14:02:18 < zyp> this is some IoT bullshit 2017-11-01T14:03:05 < zyp> server doesn't have a concept of users, it just distinguishes between allowed to send commands or not 2017-11-01T14:03:21 < zyp> anyway 2017-11-01T14:04:13 < zyp> the thing is, the communication itself is not encrypted, the key token is just added to the command packet 2017-11-01T14:04:39 < zyp> and all the communication happens over multicast, so any network node can observe it 2017-11-01T14:06:01 < zyp> in other words, with access to the network, you can observe plaintext/ciphertext pairs, and the IV is known 2017-11-01T14:06:24 < zyp> so I'm wondering how feasible it would be to reverse the key from this 2017-11-01T14:08:22 < karlp> sounds totally broken 2017-11-01T14:08:31 < zyp> depending on the client, it might also be possible to impersonate the server and talk to a client that knows the key, giving you ciphertext for known plaintext 2017-11-01T14:08:50 < zyp> well 2017-11-01T14:09:27 < zyp> as far as I can tell, using a fixed IV just reduces the security to that of AES ECB 2017-11-01T14:09:29 < karlp> it soundsd like someone just threw some crypto primitives at it and said, "ok, secure now" 2017-11-01T14:09:50 < zyp> haha, true 2017-11-01T14:10:27 < zyp> well, the biggest issue is that as far as I can tell there's nothing preventing key reuse 2017-11-01T14:10:58 < zyp> the key is updated every few seconds, but I haven't seen anything that says a key token can only be used once 2017-11-01T14:11:46 < zyp> so you could just monitor for commands and as soon as you see one, just reuse the same token for more commands before it's changed 2017-11-01T14:12:26 < zyp> but I might be wrong on this, it would be natural to issue a new challenge as soon as one command is received 2017-11-01T14:18:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-01T14:55:56 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2017-11-01T14:57:51 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T14:59:46 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T15:03:19 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T15:06:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-01T15:26:02 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuvsnmmntnandwup] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T15:27:14 < dongs> damn ozone is getting fucking useful now 2017-11-01T15:27:30 < dongs> there's very little you can't do wiht it at this point 2017-11-01T15:32:19 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6955:c877:d901:762] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T15:33:12 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/9uhW5Kw.png check this shit out 2017-11-01T15:33:19 < dongs> has a much faster logic analyzer window than keil 2017-11-01T15:33:27 < englishman> cool 2017-11-01T15:34:00 < englishman> its gr8 simply because you dont have to wait for keil to flip out and change windows to enter debugger 2017-11-01T15:34:32 < dongs> ha ha right 2017-11-01T15:35:45 < zyp> if only jlink could watch data while running on cortex-r 2017-11-01T15:35:55 < zyp> that's a pretty bullshit limitation 2017-11-01T15:44:59 < Laurenceb> sup trolls 2017-11-01T15:45:08 < Laurenceb> Jaguar want ADXL372 2017-11-01T15:45:14 < Laurenceb> literally whyyyy 2017-11-01T15:45:51 < Laurenceb> no I'm a contractor 2017-11-01T15:45:58 < dongs> the fuck is jaguar 2017-11-01T15:46:03 < dongs> i only know atari jaguar 2017-11-01T15:46:05 < dongs> and it was shit 2017-11-01T15:46:09 < englishman> russian carmaker 2017-11-01T15:46:32 < dongs> Jaguar Cars. Jaguar (UK English: /ˈdʒæɡjuː.ər/ JAG-ew-ər, US English: /ˈdʒæɡwɑːr/ JAG-wɑɹ) is the luxury vehicle brand of Jaguar Land Rover, a British multinational car manufacturer with its headquarters in Whitley, Coventry, England 2017-11-01T15:46:51 < Laurenceb> moar liek Witless 2017-11-01T15:46:57 < englishman> oh indian not russian 2017-11-01T15:47:55 < Laurenceb> apparently IEPE is too expensive 2017-11-01T15:48:23 < Laurenceb> I put together a powerpoint (I mean latex beamer) on IEPE -> usb -> usb over ethernet -> labview 2017-11-01T15:48:35 < Laurenceb> but they dont like it as too expensive 2017-11-01T15:48:36 < Laurenceb> wtf 2017-11-01T15:49:00 < Laurenceb> they want ADXL372 2017-11-01T15:49:28 < Laurenceb> >3200 Hz user-selectable bandwidth 2017-11-01T15:49:30 < Laurenceb> its shit 2017-11-01T15:49:56 < Laurenceb> IEPE is >10khz and factory calibrated 2017-11-01T15:50:16 < englishman> is this another one of your theories 2017-11-01T15:50:18 < englishman> like 2psk 2017-11-01T15:50:33 < Laurenceb> >theory 2017-11-01T15:50:45 < Laurenceb> >not documented stuff that everyone accepts 2017-11-01T15:50:54 < Laurenceb> evolution is just a theory amirite 2017-11-01T15:53:36 < Laurenceb> another theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth 2017-11-01T15:54:02 < Laurenceb> > Edmond Halley in 1692[20] put forth the idea of Earth consisting of a hollow shell about 800 km (500 mi) thick, two inner concentric shells and an innermost core 2017-11-01T15:54:13 < Laurenceb> wtf I thought that guy was at least reasonably sane 2017-11-01T15:55:45 < Laurenceb> meanwhile in sane land -> https://buy.endevco.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/700x560/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/6/7/67_1_2.jpg 2017-11-01T16:02:00 < kakimir> what is that? 2017-11-01T16:02:13 < englishman> ^ saw a sma 2017-11-01T16:02:35 < kakimir> that connector is actually welded into it :o 2017-11-01T16:02:52 < kakimir> how do they assembly it 2017-11-01T16:03:44 < Laurenceb> prob electron beam welding or something insane 2017-11-01T16:03:56 < Laurenceb> its uber pro 2017-11-01T16:04:16 < Laurenceb> I was proposing a dongle to connect those things via usb 2017-11-01T16:05:17 < Laurenceb> cuz its shit in comparison 2017-11-01T16:05:18 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-01T16:05:25 < Laurenceb> *shrug*, not my project 2017-11-01T16:06:33 < Laurenceb> heh freaking labview http://zone.ni.com/images/reference/en-XX/help/372416K-01/svl_calibrate_accelerometer_daqmx.gif 2017-11-01T16:07:06 < Laurenceb> maybe they just want to avoid configuring IEPE shit via labview 2017-11-01T16:17:13 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T16:28:08 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f13e:c414:d247:1d66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-01T16:28:24 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f13e:c414:d247:1d66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T16:37:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T16:44:01 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T16:49:52 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-siokramwjuxscbqm] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-01T16:51:06 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-01T16:53:08 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hzbnhxaszhyoutyl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T16:54:59 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T16:55:06 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/8sestmhksbvz.jpg 2017-11-01T16:57:26 < aandrew> FUCKING LOL 2017-11-01T16:57:56 < dongs> if only it wasn't a fagg.it link 2017-11-01T17:03:46 * karlp chortles 2017-11-01T17:17:05 < Laurenceb> is there a i hex editor for lunix? 2017-11-01T17:19:29 < Laurenceb> ewwwww https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/intel-hex-mode.el 2017-11-01T17:19:40 < karlp> why on earth are you editing ihex files 2017-11-01T17:19:53 < karlp> on any platform? 2017-11-01T17:20:19 < Laurenceb> I dunno 2017-11-01T17:20:25 < zyp> just convert it to binary, edit, convert back? 2017-11-01T17:20:31 < zyp> if you really have to 2017-11-01T17:20:39 < Laurenceb> it has non continuous blocks of flash 2017-11-01T17:21:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-01T17:24:09 < Laurenceb> string reveals a hidden message in muh binary 2017-11-01T17:24:14 < Laurenceb> #CUCK 2017-11-01T17:24:18 < branjb> lol 2017-11-01T17:24:33 < Laurenceb> wonder what that is in thumb2 2017-11-01T17:26:23 < Laurenceb> Src/stm32f0xx_hal_msp. <- how the hell is that in my binary 2017-11-01T17:26:29 < Laurenceb> I blame lunix tools 2017-11-01T17:27:02 < Laurenceb> ok the .bin just pads everything with zeros 2017-11-01T17:27:19 < Laurenceb> wheras .hex jumps to the correct flash pages 2017-11-01T17:28:54 < karlp> of course bin pads with zeros. 2017-11-01T17:29:01 < karlp> bin is just the data, 2017-11-01T17:29:12 < karlp> hex has offset+data in the format 2017-11-01T17:30:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-01T17:30:27 < Laurenceb> yeah but the other option is utter failure 2017-11-01T17:30:32 < Laurenceb> liek Texane 2017-11-01T17:30:52 < karlp> the fuck are you talking about now? 2017-11-01T17:31:52 < Laurenceb> Texane aborts at the first non continuous block of flash 2017-11-01T17:32:27 < karlp> what part of texane are you trying to use? 2017-11-01T17:32:33 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/32MPjVtC <- does that look sane for PVD? 2017-11-01T17:32:34 < karlp> even the earliest tools took an offset and a bin 2017-11-01T17:32:43 < Laurenceb> the st-flash tool 2017-11-01T17:32:47 < karlp> you want to do regions of flash by hand like a maniac, do so. 2017-11-01T17:33:14 < Laurenceb> sure, but I can't do them all at once 2017-11-01T17:33:21 < karlp> no, but youc an call it more than once numbnuts 2017-11-01T17:33:31 < Laurenceb> thats lame 2017-11-01T17:33:44 < karlp> the fuck do you care? 2017-11-01T17:33:50 < Laurenceb> top trawl 2017-11-01T17:34:11 < karlp> even if it handled multiple sections in one command line, it wouldn't be any faster, it would still be making the same usb transfers for each region 2017-11-01T17:34:34 < karlp> (sure, it would avoid the open/close init stuff, but that's not exactly the end of the world) 2017-11-01T17:35:04 < karlp> iirc, you can "load" an ihex or srec from gdb though... 2017-11-01T17:35:14 < karlp> so even texane's busted gdbserver might work for it 2017-11-01T17:35:27 < Laurenceb> for production I need to use dfu-util 2017-11-01T17:35:41 < Laurenceb> time to test that... 2017-11-01T17:35:46 < karlp> so why on _earth_ are you fucking around with texane? 2017-11-01T17:35:58 < Laurenceb> just for testing 2017-11-01T17:36:08 < karlp> did you bump your head recently? you're more fail than normal... 2017-11-01T17:36:51 < Laurenceb> too much tiem on 4chan 2017-11-01T17:42:01 < Laurenceb> http://waifu2x.udp.jp/ 2017-11-01T17:43:44 < sync> yes, it works really well 2017-11-01T17:53:06 < hdt551> Hello, 2017-11-01T17:53:26 < hdt551> I have some code that turns on and off an interrupt like this: 2017-11-01T17:53:43 < hdt551> HAL_TIM_Base_Start_IT(&htim2); 2017-11-01T17:53:56 < hdt551> HAL_TIM_Base_Stop_IT(&htim2); 2017-11-01T17:54:29 < hdt551> this works fine, but I would like to test beforehand to make sure it is started or not but I can't seem to find a command to do that. 2017-11-01T17:55:22 < hdt551> I thought maybe HAL_TIM_Base_GetState(&htim2) would work but it returns 1 no matter if the interrupt is running or not. 2017-11-01T17:59:29 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T18:01:02 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T18:04:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T18:20:40 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f13e:c414:d247:1d66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-01T18:24:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T18:37:22 < Laurenceb> wow sharepoint is cancerous 2017-11-01T18:38:07 < Laurenceb> doesnt load in any of my browsers 2017-11-01T18:41:12 < Steffanx> Pebkac. 2017-11-01T18:41:24 < Steffanx> You didnt try Edge 2017-11-01T18:42:30 < Laurenceb> oh god 2017-11-01T18:42:35 < Laurenceb> yeah prob only works in edge 2017-11-01T18:44:47 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T18:45:35 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T18:47:23 < Ultrasauce> problem exists between keyboard and cloud 2017-11-01T18:48:45 < upgrdman> pebKAC 2017-11-01T18:54:25 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T18:56:08 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T19:00:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-138-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T19:12:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-37e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T19:18:41 < karlp> Laurenceb: works on my shitty old chromium and firefox here, and those are so old slack refuses to run on them. 2017-11-01T19:19:03 < Laurenceb> hmm 2017-11-01T19:19:10 < Laurenceb> f5f5f5f5f5 2017-11-01T19:19:37 < BrainDamage> f5 is cached refresh 2017-11-01T19:19:43 < BrainDamage> you might want a forced one 2017-11-01T19:19:54 < BrainDamage> i forgot if it's ctrl alt or shift f5 2017-11-01T19:20:50 < Laurenceb> hmm ok it works now, thanks 2017-11-01T19:20:59 < Laurenceb> well works for now 2017-11-01T19:21:21 < Laurenceb> in a sane world all this shit would just be mountable 2017-11-01T19:21:26 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-01T19:21:44 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T19:21:46 < Laurenceb> 10MB of 292MB 2017-11-01T19:21:50 < Laurenceb> yay funtimes 2017-11-01T19:22:18 < englishman> wtf Steffanx http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41830304 2017-11-01T19:26:16 < Steffanx> Wtf what englishman ? 2017-11-01T19:26:25 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T19:27:06 < englishman> are you going to bad ween and prostitution next? hasn't your country suffered enough? 2017-11-01T19:27:09 < englishman> weed 2017-11-01T19:28:04 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T19:28:07 < PaulFertser> I'm against drunk riding too 2017-11-01T19:31:55 < Ultrasauce> I'm not gonna lie that looks like a good time 2017-11-01T19:32:31 < karlp> yeah, but not a surprise that they're a nuisance :) 2017-11-01T19:32:38 < karlp> they're in lots of cities 2017-11-01T19:39:36 < Steffanx> I dont really give a damn englishman. I do weed, nor prostitution. And i hate drunk. 2017-11-01T19:39:40 < Steffanx> *dont do 2017-11-01T19:39:40 < Steffanx> lol 2017-11-01T19:39:41 < Steffanx> whops 2017-11-01T19:41:33 < Steffanx> nein meinherr superbia 2017-11-01T19:42:52 < BrainDamage> seems to me the main problem is the cohabitation of the residents with the tourists, not the activity itself 2017-11-01T19:43:45 < BrainDamage> we have sorta similar problems here, because of so many tourists in some places like venice the houses are getting all rented 2017-11-01T19:44:05 < BrainDamage> and the residents driven off by the insane prices 2017-11-01T19:44:32 < BrainDamage> actually the city has a strong industrial economy 2017-11-01T19:44:44 < BrainDamage> there's one of the largest petrolchemical plants of the country near it 2017-11-01T19:45:03 < BrainDamage> also, without residents the services die 2017-11-01T19:45:12 < BrainDamage> bars, supermarkets, etc close 2017-11-01T19:45:27 < BrainDamage> you end up only with seasonal services during tourism peaks 2017-11-01T19:45:38 < BrainDamage> and I'm not speaking theoretically, it's already happening 2017-11-01T19:45:55 < BrainDamage> i have a friend that lives there and complains about this stuff regularry 2017-11-01T19:47:10 < BrainDamage> there is no other venice 2017-11-01T19:48:19 < BrainDamage> yup 2017-11-01T19:56:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T19:57:48 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9E2CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T20:00:00 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T20:01:03 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-37e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T20:01:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-37e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-01T20:06:33 < Laurenceb> nice, PVD actually works to detect usb insertion nastyness 2017-11-01T20:11:23 < ds2> PVD? 2017-11-01T20:14:17 < Laurenceb> voltage detect 2017-11-01T20:17:03 < Laurenceb> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/01/my_95theses_of_digital/ 2017-11-01T20:18:58 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T20:19:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T20:22:32 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/54sWzg4D 2017-11-01T20:22:47 < Laurenceb> HAL shit that actually works 2017-11-01T20:24:04 < Laurenceb> the VDDIO2 thing is pretty cool as well 2017-11-01T20:29:22 < ds2> so it was purely a -O3 issue? 2017-11-01T20:30:34 < Laurenceb> I gave up on -O3 2017-11-01T20:30:49 < Laurenceb> yeah inlining went wrong somewhere 2017-11-01T20:30:58 < Laurenceb> half the loops were skipped 2017-11-01T20:42:05 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T20:44:37 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-01T20:44:58 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T20:49:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-138-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T21:05:10 < Laurenceb> >> blackman error: Invalid call to blackman. Correct usage is: -- Function File: blackman (M) 2017-11-01T21:05:16 < Laurenceb> my sides 2017-11-01T21:14:53 < aandrew> na na na na na na na na na ... blackman! 2017-11-01T21:18:34 < ohsix> i used to make a joke ab out keeping a file on everyone i spoke to 2017-11-01T21:18:40 < ohsix> now i have a pile of business cards ... 2017-11-01T21:18:41 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T21:18:55 < ohsix> the irony of the real life situation wasn't apparent at the time 2017-11-01T21:21:13 < ohsix> huh people on twatter are talking about the files on osama bin ladens computer 2017-11-01T21:21:16 < Laurenceb> >> blackman("pick cotton") 2017-11-01T21:21:17 < Laurenceb> error: blackman: M must be a positive integer 2017-11-01T21:21:18 < ohsix> must have been released 2017-11-01T21:21:29 < ohsix> that's blackman harris noob???// 2017-11-01T21:22:04 < Laurenceb> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/352/749/e44.gif 2017-11-01T21:22:39 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-01T21:24:16 < ohsix> https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/2017-press-releases-statements/cia-releases-additional-files-recovered-in-ubl-compound-raid.html 2017-11-01T21:54:32 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T21:54:52 < englishman> a lock 2017-11-01T21:55:16 < emeryth> mom won't allow it? 2017-11-01T21:55:17 < Steffanx> photo of Laurenceb 2017-11-01T21:56:06 < Laurenceb> wut 2017-11-01T21:56:43 < Steffanx> Just get some noise cancelling headphones and you wont be disturbed 2017-11-01T21:57:10 < Steffanx> and put on your "fuck off"-face 2017-11-01T21:57:41 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/VSh8nXb.png 2017-11-01T21:58:08 < Steffanx> also depends on what you do for a living mr superbia 2017-11-01T22:09:59 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9E2CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-01T22:10:07 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/FwVyTHB 2017-11-01T22:10:11 < Laurenceb> pc fan buzzing away 2017-11-01T22:12:53 < Steffanx> do you calibrate your sensors Laurenceb? also over temperature? 2017-11-01T22:13:02 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T22:13:02 < Laurenceb> not yet 2017-11-01T22:13:09 < Laurenceb> I will be doing 2017-11-01T22:13:16 < Laurenceb> writing octave scripts atm to do it 2017-11-01T22:14:31 < Steffanx> At work we had some (dont remember which ones) that drifted nicely over temperature. "Freeze" it from 20 to -20 and let it heat back up to to +20 and it would be totally fucked 2017-11-01T22:15:02 < Laurenceb> it looks like the datasheet is kind of telling the truth 2017-11-01T22:15:08 < Laurenceb> lsm6 is very low noise 2017-11-01T22:15:23 < Laurenceb> hard to get away from enough ambient vibration to screw the noise floor 2017-11-01T22:17:35 < Steffanx> you realllly care about noise that much? 2017-11-01T22:17:56 < Steffanx> i mean wouldnt the vibration of the car be much higher than this noise anyway? 2017-11-01T22:18:18 < Laurenceb> yeah but its nice to have low noise for precision 2017-11-01T22:19:05 < Steffanx> ok 2017-11-01T22:19:25 < Steffanx> Just fapping on low noise :) 2017-11-01T22:19:31 < Laurenceb> or more accurately 2017-11-01T22:19:45 < Laurenceb> I've been asked to provide "calibration data" for each sensor 2017-11-01T22:19:45 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNkgORbX0AEAKlb.jpg 2017-11-01T22:19:50 < Laurenceb> with no idea what that means 2017-11-01T22:19:54 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6955:c877:d901:762] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-01T22:20:42 < ohsix> what type of sensors Laurenceb? been busy 2017-11-01T22:20:52 < Laurenceb> imu 2017-11-01T22:21:39 < vampi-the-frog> I wonder if it's possible to train a neural network to see what's on topic and what's off topic and just feed in data from this channel for training 2017-11-01T22:22:09 < BrainDamage> it'd have way too little input for ontopic material to have sufficient training 2017-11-01T22:23:19 < Steffanx> Bye vampi-the-frog. 2017-11-01T22:23:52 < vampi-the-frog> well I could feed in data from other channels which are more on topic 2017-11-01T22:24:17 < Steffanx> but your neural network has to learn what the topic is 2017-11-01T22:24:27 < vampi-the-frog> well, there are other stm32 channels 2017-11-01T22:24:50 < vampi-the-frog> I could just make a tabloid or clickbait detector 2017-11-01T22:25:19 < Steffanx> How would it qualify you? 2017-11-01T22:25:47 < vampi-the-frog> meh about 60% on topic maybe 2017-11-01T22:26:10 < vampi-the-frog> I'm not on topic now 2017-11-01T22:26:22 < vampi-the-frog> most of what I say is either STM32 stuff or stuff about being off topic 2017-11-01T22:27:40 < Steffanx> So stop that last part and you'll be 100% on topic. Win-win for all of us :) 2017-11-01T22:28:04 < ohsix> hm osama files are 321gb 2017-11-01T22:28:09 < ohsix> definitely downloading 2017-11-01T22:28:24 < Steffanx> ohsix, that is the kind of off topic really no one cares about. 2017-11-01T22:28:29 < ohsix> BrainDamage: all you need is an adversarial model 2017-11-01T22:28:29 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-01T22:29:23 < ohsix> there's a thing with irc channels, if there isn't enough turnover then everyone ends up basically knowing the subject, and not having to communicate it to people that are around them 2017-11-01T22:29:26 < ohsix> happens in real life too 2017-11-01T22:29:33 < ohsix> what you want is more turnover 2017-11-01T22:29:58 < ohsix> otherwise it is just people with a common interest 2017-11-01T22:30:28 < ohsix> it takes work for turnover, and if there aren't people looking for help or to learn or talk about it, you have an existential problem 2017-11-01T22:31:25 < ohsix> so be an evangelist for the stm32 in channels where it is relevant! 2017-11-01T22:38:32 < vampi-the-frog> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNkgORbX0AEAKlb.jpg 2017-11-01T22:38:41 < vampi-the-frog> ohsix> so be an evangelist for the stm32 in channels where it is relevant! 2017-11-01T22:38:53 < vampi-the-frog> I just pasted two things you said 2017-11-01T22:38:55 < vampi-the-frog> haha 2017-11-01T22:39:33 < Steffanx> Better tell us about your usb list vampi-the-frog 2017-11-01T22:39:47 < vampi-the-frog> I stalled it for now 2017-11-01T22:39:51 < vampi-the-frog> it's at http://usb.vampi.tech 2017-11-01T22:40:01 < vampi-the-frog> user registration doesn't work though so just peruse it 2017-11-01T22:40:37 < vampi-the-frog> right now I'm just using a blue pill to capture data that's sent to a DAC on a MIDI synthesizer 2017-11-01T22:40:41 < vampi-the-frog> so I can record digitally 2017-11-01T22:40:57 < vampi-the-frog> it's just a project I want to finish. 2017-11-01T22:43:38 < vampi-the-frog> this one has HID data 2017-11-01T22:43:38 < vampi-the-frog> http://usb.vampi.tech/edit/160 2017-11-01T22:44:01 < vampi-the-frog> there might be a nicer way to display it though 2017-11-01T22:44:08 < vampi-the-frog> at least it's functional-ish 2017-11-01T22:45:21 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-01T22:46:49 < Steffanx> aha 2017-11-01T22:47:39 < ohsix> vampi-the-frog: it's not relevant here, it's about selection and self selection 2017-11-01T22:48:02 < vampi-the-frog> here's the program that you can use if you want to send me your descriptors 2017-11-01T22:48:03 < vampi-the-frog> http://usb.vampi.tech/programs/getdesc.c 2017-11-01T22:48:21 < vampi-the-frog> and here's the makefile http://usb.vampi.tech/programs/Makefile 2017-11-01T22:49:29 < Ultrasauce> I for one am proud to be a member of a community with public representation handled by none other than ohsix 2017-11-01T22:50:14 < ohsix> heh 2017-11-01T22:50:17 < Steffanx> lunix only vampi-the-frog? 2017-11-01T22:50:23 < vampi-the-frog> for now yes 2017-11-01T22:50:41 < Steffanx> I miss the time where Ultrasauce was friendly only, Ultrasauce :P 2017-11-01T22:50:43 < vampi-the-frog> it works partially on osx as well but can't get the HID stuff 2017-11-01T22:50:50 < Steffanx> + unknown word user 2017-11-01T22:50:54 < Ultrasauce> I think that was a pretty friendly statement 2017-11-01T22:51:06 < vampi-the-frog> it somehow can't get enough access to read the HID descriptors and some other descriptors 2017-11-01T22:51:06 < Ultrasauce> if you choose to interpret it otherwise, what does that say about your own state? 2017-11-01T22:51:09 < ohsix> there is a friendly reading, but i wasn't really speaking broadly 2017-11-01T22:51:09 < vampi-the-frog> even when run as root 2017-11-01T22:51:09 < Steffanx> My sarcasm detector detected something else. 2017-11-01T22:51:17 < vampi-the-frog> but it works fine on linux if you run it as root 2017-11-01T22:51:34 < vampi-the-frog> if you run as non-root you won't get the HID descriptors and it will be incomplete information 2017-11-01T22:51:46 < Ultrasauce> also since WHEN was I friendly only? fuck 2017-11-01T22:51:48 < Steffanx> My own state wasnt friendly, Ultrasauce. Never was probably. 2017-11-01T22:51:49 < ohsix> if you want on topic chats you need lots of people who know less, thus turnover, thus telling people who otherwise wouldn't know how the $subject is relevant to them, and where to ask 2017-11-01T22:52:05 < Steffanx> nah, i dont use lunix much vampi-the-frog 2017-11-01T22:52:10 < Ultrasauce> I am offended by the mere notion 2017-11-01T22:52:12 < ohsix> and even then it's a ratio, people familiar with the subject will talk amongst themselves 2017-11-01T22:52:25 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: windows then? 2017-11-01T22:52:30 < Steffanx> yes 2017-11-01T22:52:35 < Steffanx> or macos 2017-11-01T22:52:44 < vampi-the-frog> it might work with mingw, I've never tried it 2017-11-01T22:53:45 < Steffanx> There goes your image, Ultrasauce 2017-11-01T22:54:10 < Ultrasauce> it's because I haven't been stuck in the same conversation as r2com for too long 2017-11-01T22:55:16 < ohsix> boop 2017-11-01T22:55:19 < BrainDamage> can confirm we talked bad about quite a few users irl 2017-11-01T22:55:41 < Ultrasauce> especially Steffanx, fuck that guy 2017-11-01T22:55:46 < ohsix> anyways, at some point you can't get what you want from this thing and you're projecting your desires onto it; personally at that point i've chosen to step away 2017-11-01T22:55:58 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce and BrainDamage did a meet up? 2017-11-01T22:56:18 < BrainDamage> i actually knew him irl before stm32 2017-11-01T22:56:23 < ohsix> more turnover would be cool though; this stuff is so specialized that people kind of know, to know anything; you read the datasheet, and at that point they can figure it all out 2017-11-01T22:56:51 < BrainDamage> i even trolled this channel from his account this august, but nobody was on 2017-11-01T22:57:08 < Steffanx> You should've vlogged. 2017-11-01T22:57:26 < Ultrasauce> you're not getting the sex tape 2017-11-01T22:57:36 < Steffanx> Damnit. 2017-11-01T22:58:06 < englishman> steffy 2017-11-01T22:58:07 < englishman> help 2017-11-01T22:58:11 < englishman> my arrow cart is full 2017-11-01T22:58:18 < englishman> the savings are hurting me 2017-11-01T22:58:19 -!- k\o\w [~fff@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T22:58:44 < Steffanx> How can an ARROW cart be full? 2017-11-01T22:59:17 < englishman> the total amount == my creditcard limit 2017-11-01T22:59:21 < zyp> haha 2017-11-01T22:59:56 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T23:00:39 < Steffanx> A real almost yankee has more than one credit card right? 2017-11-01T23:01:33 < Steffanx> and iirc you said business with arrow was as minimal as possible.. 2017-11-01T23:01:50 < englishman> yeah but i cant say no to the savings 2017-11-01T23:01:57 < englishman> as i already quoted digijew price 2017-11-01T23:02:03 < Steffanx> oh, that 10% stuff right? 2017-11-01T23:02:15 < englishman> this is one of those situations where i make like a month's salary by taking a few minutes to fill a cart 2017-11-01T23:02:21 < Steffanx> Im not going to do business with arrow ever again. Unless they tell me how to pay VAT in advance. 2017-11-01T23:02:22 < englishman> but i know they are going to fuck me 2017-11-01T23:02:44 < englishman> but i know i let them 2017-11-01T23:03:14 < Steffanx> Better join BrainDamage and Ultrasauce in their next meet up. 2017-11-01T23:03:16 < BrainDamage> are you saying you're prostituting yourself? 2017-11-01T23:03:24 < englishman> yes of course 2017-11-01T23:03:25 < Steffanx> Then you can talk bad about ARROW and ##stm32 2017-11-01T23:03:39 < englishman> i just put out for suppliers all day 2017-11-01T23:03:55 < englishman> like some of this stuff is half price 2017-11-01T23:04:00 < BrainDamage> he actually offered me to pass by, but i already bought the tickets 2017-11-01T23:04:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-01T23:04:26 < englishman> yeah stop by anytime 2017-11-01T23:05:24 < Steffanx> Water is always hot and bubbling? 2017-11-01T23:05:32 < englishman> yes sir 2017-11-01T23:05:36 < englishman> fence going up this weekend 2017-11-01T23:05:44 < englishman> post mounts got welded on thismorning 2017-11-01T23:05:47 < englishman> it will outlast the house 2017-11-01T23:05:51 < englishman> il be in the tub 2017-11-01T23:05:53 < englishman> as the house blows away 2017-11-01T23:06:55 < Steffanx> :) 2017-11-01T23:08:30 < ohsix> houses are totally offtopic, nobody lives in houses 2017-11-01T23:09:52 < ohsix> there's a meeting going in in here in a few minutes, it's for a thing; woman and her company is looking for a mechanical engineer for an unknown female only device 2017-11-01T23:10:31 < Steffanx> better go full sjw 2017-11-01T23:11:35 < englishman> also stefs i use this cc because i get 2% cash back 2017-11-01T23:13:49 < ohsix> Steffanx: h3h 2017-11-01T23:14:00 < ohsix> all this misreading today; i don't think it's a bad thing, it's just mysterious 2017-11-01T23:14:09 < ohsix> they phoned and said they'd be delayed so we're all speculating 2017-11-01T23:15:08 < ohsix> when it's a bunch of dudes all the thought goes to something vagina specific 2017-11-01T23:15:33 < ohsix> but it could be something marketed to women for other women things, but nobody in the room can even conceive of much else, it is funny 2017-11-01T23:15:50 < ohsix> now there is risk irc is seen, bbl 2017-11-01T23:17:42 < ohsix> also nca/nda being signed, i'm never party to them but it's kind of a dick move to live tweet ;] 2017-11-01T23:18:44 < vampi-the-frog> it's probably a breast pump 2017-11-01T23:18:50 < vampi-the-frog> for cows 2017-11-01T23:20:53 < ohsix> ok 2017-11-01T23:20:55 < ohsix> OK 2017-11-01T23:21:16 < ohsix> 'i had my first orgasm at 20' clitoris and gspot are being mentioned 2017-11-01T23:21:59 < ohsix> i've always wanted a foot in the dildo market 2017-11-01T23:23:30 < vampi-the-frog> damn she thick 2017-11-01T23:29:43 < englishman> aandrew: http://torontosun.com/news/national/morneau-fined-under-conflict-of-interest-act 2017-11-01T23:29:49 < englishman> looks like justice has been served 2017-11-01T23:30:09 < englishman> itl put a big dent in the $68k/week he makes on dividends 2017-11-01T23:31:15 < aandrew> I paid more for my seatbelt violation 2017-11-01T23:40:35 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2017-11-01T23:43:14 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-66-246-241-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-01T23:51:28 < c4017w> anyone used bleeding-edge-toolchain? 2017-11-01T23:54:40 < Fleck> no, like supernubia 2017-11-01T23:56:26 < Fleck> :p 2017-11-01T23:57:57 -!- k\o\w [~fff@135.0.26.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-01T23:58:42 < c4017w> I needed some GCC 7 features 2017-11-01T23:59:00 < c4017w> regular arm-none-eabi from arm is only 6.2 or something 2017-11-01T23:59:26 < c4017w> but this bleeding-edge-toolchain has exception handling disabled ffs --- Day changed Thu Nov 02 2017 2017-11-02T00:01:55 < Fleck> whut? why? ;P 2017-11-02T00:02:20 < Ultrasauce> stop using a distro that gives you ancient versions of software 2017-11-02T00:04:47 < Fleck> sad for you supernoobia 2017-11-02T00:05:04 < c4017w> Ultrasauce, are you saying arm-none-eabi-gcc 6.2 is ancient? 2017-11-02T00:05:54 < Ultrasauce> more than a year so yes 2017-11-02T00:06:01 < ohsix> "medieval anus torture" <- totally lregitimate research rn 2017-11-02T00:06:09 < c4017w> That's the latest version provided by ARM 2017-11-02T00:06:36 < Ultrasauce> so? 2017-11-02T00:06:54 < c4017w> Do you know where else I can get a newer version? 2017-11-02T00:07:14 < Ultrasauce> the gcc project perhaps? 2017-11-02T00:07:36 < Steffanx> dekar once provided scripts to build newer gccs not sure if he updated it to 7 2017-11-02T00:09:01 < c4017w> gnu.org only has GCC 7 for powerpc lol 2017-11-02T00:09:04 < upgrdman> anyone used sourcetrail? https://www.sourcetrail.com/blog/release_2017_4/ 2017-11-02T00:10:41 < Steffanx> pass 2017-11-02T00:11:43 < Steffanx> dekar's TNT only goes to 6.3 2017-11-02T00:11:51 < Ultrasauce> ah ok looks like the state of affairs for windows gcc distributions is even worse than i thought 2017-11-02T00:12:18 < Ultrasauce> this is where I suggest a linux host and get shit on 2017-11-02T00:15:24 < Ultrasauce> (also don't use exceptions on a microcontroller it sucks) 2017-11-02T00:17:20 < c4017w> I agree. I'm only using them for one function so maybe I should just figure out how to avoid them 2017-11-02T00:17:53 < c4017w> I don't really understand what to do instead of catching an exception though 2017-11-02T00:18:30 < c4017w> Specifically with std::stof 2017-11-02T00:19:18 < Ultrasauce> I'd say don't use std string for the same reason you don't use exceptions 2017-11-02T00:19:55 < c4017w> slowness and hugeness isn't really a problem for this project 2017-11-02T00:20:11 < c4017w> but I would still like to get rid of exceptions 2017-11-02T00:20:49 -!- enh [~enhering@186.214.128.214] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T00:27:50 < c4017w> by the way, does anyone have stack unwinding code for hardfault investigation? 2017-11-02T00:31:47 < Ultrasauce> on a note perhaps related to stof? :D 2017-11-02T00:32:35 < c4017w> No, I'm just bad at writing code and hardfault a lot :( 2017-11-02T00:33:08 < Ultrasauce> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/armv7m-vecstate-zippe.gdb 2017-11-02T00:38:08 < Fleck> I don't open random links posted by noobs and other idiots like dongs ;D sorry supernoobia 2017-11-02T00:39:12 < Ultrasauce> oh good it has the Laurenceb stamp of approval, the highest link accolade 2017-11-02T00:39:35 < Fleck> ;p 2017-11-02T00:42:07 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-37e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T00:42:39 < Steffanx> Dont use my name superbia 2017-11-02T00:42:54 < Ultrasauce> the lord's name in vain 2017-11-02T00:45:15 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T00:46:00 < c4017w> Well that gdb snip works, but I keep getting "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)" 2017-11-02T00:47:59 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T00:48:00 < Ultrasauce> it's not uncommon for a hardfault to be caused by a stack corruption in the first place so 2017-11-02T00:48:03 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-02T00:53:31 < c4017w> Even if I force a busfault I get the same result 2017-11-02T00:53:51 < c4017w> only two frames show up: #0 0xe000ef34 in ?? () 2017-11-02T00:53:51 < c4017w> #1 0x00f00000 in ?? () 2017-11-02T00:54:18 < zyp> what does «info registers» say? 2017-11-02T00:54:33 < c4017w> r0 0x20007e98 536903320 2017-11-02T00:54:33 < c4017w> r1 0x14b23 84771 2017-11-02T00:54:33 < c4017w> r2 0x20004f04 536891140 2017-11-02T00:54:33 < c4017w> r3 0xe000ed38 -536810184 2017-11-02T00:54:33 < c4017w> r4 0xa5a5a5a5 -1515870811 2017-11-02T00:54:33 < c4017w> r5 0x0 0 2017-11-02T00:54:35 < c4017w> r6 0x200082ec 536904428 2017-11-02T00:54:37 < c4017w> r7 0x2002ff88 537067400 2017-11-02T00:54:39 < c4017w> r8 0xa5a5a5a5 -1515870811 2017-11-02T00:54:41 < c4017w> r9 0xa5a5a5a5 -1515870811 2017-11-02T00:54:45 < c4017w> r10 0xa5a5a5a5 -1515870811 2017-11-02T00:54:47 < c4017w> r11 0xa5a5a5a5 -1515870811 2017-11-02T00:54:49 < c4017w> r12 0x20008148 536904008 2017-11-02T00:54:51 < c4017w> sp 0x2002ff88 0x2002ff88 2017-11-02T00:54:53 < c4017w> lr 0xffffffed -19 2017-11-02T00:54:55 < c4017w> pc 0x1fda2 0x1fda2 2017-11-02T00:54:57 < c4017w> xpsr 0x1030003 16973827 2017-11-02T00:54:59 < c4017w> msp 0x2002ff88 537067400 2017-11-02T00:55:01 < c4017w> psp 0x20007e98 536903320 2017-11-02T00:55:03 < c4017w> primask 0x0 0 '\000' 2017-11-02T00:55:05 < c4017w> basepri 0x0 0 '\000' 2017-11-02T00:55:07 < c4017w> faultmask 0x0 0 '\000' 2017-11-02T00:55:09 < c4017w> control 0x0 0 '\000' 2017-11-02T00:55:20 < c4017w> I ran *(uint32_t *)(0x00000000) = 0x12345678; to cause the fault 2017-11-02T00:55:36 < Fleck> one should learn about pastebin sites... 2017-11-02T00:55:50 < c4017w> ehh, it's not that much text 2017-11-02T00:56:18 < zyp> anything over five lines should go in a pastebin 2017-11-02T00:56:36 < Fleck> +1 zyp, I would say 3+ lines 2017-11-02T00:56:59 < zyp> >5 is when flow control restrictions usually kicks in 2017-11-02T01:10:12 < upgrdman> with spi working as a master, is it ever possible to get a dma failure? 2017-11-02T01:12:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T01:14:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNAdtkSjSps music times 2017-11-02T01:25:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-66-246-241-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T01:28:30 < upgrdman> anyone know what this is so expensive? $6 for an 8bit mcu with seemingly no nice qualities https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/NXP-Freescale/MC9S08GT16ACFBER/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvqv2n3s2xjsVTpglt%252bBgUearj1Dx%2fkIyc%3d 2017-11-02T01:28:58 < upgrdman> is it some amazeballs automotive/military shit? 2017-11-02T01:32:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T01:41:38 < Ultrasauce> oh it's musicspam time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj1JK_BWAlw 2017-11-02T01:48:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-02T02:07:47 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-02T02:07:54 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T02:09:15 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls 2017-11-02T02:09:58 -!- enh [~enhering@186.214.128.214] has quit [] 2017-11-02T02:10:35 < Laurenceb_> usb imu is finally finished 2017-11-02T02:11:00 < Laurenceb_> tiem to drop of brogramming laptop at contract manufacturer 2017-11-02T02:12:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T02:25:56 < fenugrec> c4017w of course that will hardfault if your flash is mapped at address 0... 2017-11-02T02:27:16 < c4017w> fenugrec, Duh, that line was meant to purpousely cause a hardfault, without corrupting the stack (hopefully) 2017-11-02T02:27:39 < c4017w> I was trying to see why the stack frames were corrupted 2017-11-02T02:28:09 < fenugrec> heh I had read it as a question 2017-11-02T02:30:30 < fenugrec> I thought I had some HF handler code somewhere but it's for a different arch 2017-11-02T02:34:41 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T02:35:28 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T02:36:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T02:49:16 < upgrdman> typical black woman https://i.imgur.com/T6XQzIA.gifv 2017-11-02T02:50:52 < Laurenceb_> Elon Musk: creating businesses run entirely on the basis of introducing new goals faster than the previous ones fail in order to pretend that he’s going somewhere with it. 2017-11-02T02:52:35 < aandrew> hahahahahaha https://gizmodern.com/products/portable-multi-function-spinner-for-your-keychain 2017-11-02T03:12:33 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T03:12:43 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-02T03:17:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T03:36:43 < ohsix> they had some sex toys they took apart, there was some neat stuff 2017-11-02T03:36:53 < ohsix> suntech has a motor that's a vibration motor, but there's no external shaft 2017-11-02T03:37:07 < ohsix> the mass is in the housing but it's a regular medium size dc motor; no external shaft 2017-11-02T03:37:24 < ohsix> it's going to be a neat project, they got me to sign something so i can't say much about it :\ 2017-11-02T03:38:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, are you innovating some sex toys? 2017-11-02T03:39:25 < ohsix> http://www.suntechmotor.com/ 2017-11-02T03:39:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: y 2017-11-02T03:39:55 < ohsix> it was a business meeting so i didn't get to talk about anything interesting yet with them, just heard about what they're doing 2017-11-02T03:40:05 < ohsix> meetings kind of suck and are far too standoffish, everyone worried about money 2017-11-02T03:40:57 < upgrdman> businesses worrying about money. im shocked. shocked, i say. 2017-11-02T03:41:03 < ohsix> not in a good way 2017-11-02T03:41:27 < ohsix> in a 'i am not going to offer you any advice or guidance even if it is obvious and pressing, because we haven't exchanged money yet' 2017-11-02T03:41:41 < upgrdman> o ok 2017-11-02T03:42:03 < ohsix> the part i'm interested in gets set weeks out because of that nonsense, hehe 2017-11-02T03:47:39 < Laurenceb_> > there's no external shaft 2017-11-02T03:48:13 < aandrew> ohsix is a forerunner in the teledildonics scene 2017-11-02T03:48:48 < dongs> < upgrdman> typical black woman https://i.imgur.com/T6XQzIA.gifv the fuck is she doing about haflway through with her hand at the mouth, vaping? 2017-11-02T03:49:34 < Laurenceb_> stomach twerking 2017-11-02T03:49:34 < kakimir> vapes 2017-11-02T03:49:40 < kakimir> should I get one? 2017-11-02T03:51:39 < upgrdman> yes. then you and rob can take big loads in the mouth. 2017-11-02T03:52:37 < Laurenceb_> Milo Yiannopolous 2017-11-02T03:52:56 < Thorn> https://event.on24.com/event/15/22/48/8/rt/1/index.html 2017-11-02T03:53:01 < Laurenceb_> he takes big loads in the mouth 2017-11-02T03:53:24 < Laurenceb_> I have his number somewhere.. maybe I should txt 2017-11-02T03:53:55 < englishman> his 15 minutes are over 2017-11-02T03:54:03 < Laurenceb_> no homo 2017-11-02T03:54:15 < Laurenceb_> I "know" him from uni 2017-11-02T03:55:33 < upgrdman> milo is a dirby fag? 2017-11-02T03:55:46 < upgrdman> derby* 2017-11-02T03:56:09 < Laurenceb_> Cambridge dude 2017-11-02T03:56:24 < Laurenceb_> think I'd go to a shit uni,think again 2017-11-02T03:56:34 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2017-11-02T03:57:54 < dongs> fucking vmware garbage 2017-11-02T03:58:02 < dongs> latest version and smartcard forwarding is still fucking broken as fuck 2017-11-02T04:01:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T04:15:28 < kakimir> I'm writing for jubb place 2017-11-02T04:15:42 < kakimir> it's already like 500lines 2017-11-02T04:20:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T04:22:52 < englishman> palkata minut olen köyhä ja nälkäinen 2017-11-02T04:23:12 < englishman> minun ilmastointilaite on asennettu taaksepäin 2017-11-02T04:24:03 < kakimir> väärin päin 2017-11-02T04:24:29 < kakimir> if you meant upside down 2017-11-02T04:24:37 < kakimir> taaksepäin is backwards 2017-11-02T04:25:00 < englishman> heh 2017-11-02T04:25:04 < kakimir> pää = head 2017-11-02T04:25:19 < kakimir> päällikkö = chief, boss 2017-11-02T04:25:27 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-02T04:25:41 < kakimir> päin = towards something 2017-11-02T04:26:01 < kakimir> oikein päin = right way around 2017-11-02T04:26:10 < kakimir> oikea = right 2017-11-02T04:26:28 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T04:26:40 < kakimir> this time jobb is really interesting opoturnity 2017-11-02T04:26:47 < kakimir> they do everything I try to do 2017-11-02T04:31:28 < upgrdman> SMA all the things? 2017-11-02T04:33:37 < dongs> http://www.usb.org/developers/tools/Electrical_Test_Fixtures.jpg this is designed by kikemir 2017-11-02T04:34:32 < sync> funny, was just looking at usb analyzers 2017-11-02T04:34:47 < sync> not sure which one to get 2017-11-02T04:34:53 < dongs> what doyou wanna analyze? 2017-11-02T04:35:05 < dongs> this ellisys thing I got is pretty good 2017-11-02T04:35:24 < dongs> plebs like Laurence/b/ just use usbmon or some other lunix aids 2017-11-02T04:38:17 < kakimir> I need to buy pro smas 2017-11-02T04:38:35 < kakimir> like 20usd a piece 2017-11-02T04:38:45 < kakimir> to become pro and have respect for my designs 2017-11-02T04:40:05 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T04:40:22 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T04:41:22 < kakimir> only full gold-silver alloy sma will do 2017-11-02T04:44:46 < sync> yeah, looked at the ellisys 2017-11-02T04:44:50 < sync> seems ok 2017-11-02T04:44:55 < sync> wonder what is in there 2017-11-02T04:45:38 < dongs> inside you mean? 2017-11-02T04:45:40 < dongs> not lunix 2017-11-02T04:45:43 < dongs> i could take it apart and see 2017-11-02T04:45:50 < dongs> probly a pair of PHYs and some fpga or someshit 2017-11-02T04:46:43 < kakimir> I wonder if sending pics of my projects to them is good or bad 2017-11-02T04:46:56 < kakimir> I try to avoid too much SMA 2017-11-02T04:47:02 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-02T04:47:39 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T04:50:11 < englishman> kaks i bought some SMB 2017-11-02T04:50:13 < englishman> new revision 2017-11-02T04:50:17 < englishman> the letter is higher 2017-11-02T04:51:04 < kakimir> I have SMBs in my design 2017-11-02T04:51:10 < BrainDamage> smb always felt flimsy to me 2017-11-02T04:51:18 < kakimir> no thread 2017-11-02T04:51:26 < kakimir> or is there? 2017-11-02T04:51:30 < BrainDamage> no thread 2017-11-02T04:51:32 < englishman> snappy 2017-11-02T04:51:42 < BrainDamage> but the problem is the center pin 2017-11-02T05:15:36 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-02T05:15:36 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T05:52:23 < upgrdman> whats wrong with the center pin? easily break off? 2017-11-02T06:04:01 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T06:04:52 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T06:21:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T06:22:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T06:36:48 -!- phryk_ [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T06:37:14 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-02T06:38:38 -!- phryk_ is now known as phryk 2017-11-02T06:39:58 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-02T06:41:05 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@c-73-208-230-96.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T06:52:26 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T07:02:07 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T07:06:31 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-02T07:07:29 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T07:33:48 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T07:36:57 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T07:37:01 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-02T07:37:24 < Thorn> https://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/soc/rfsoc.html 8x 4GSPS 12-bit ADCs / 8x 6.4GSPS 14-bit DACs / Over 42 Gb/s LDPC Encode System Throughput 2017-11-02T07:44:05 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-02T07:44:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T08:31:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T08:47:53 < Thorn> https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32 2017-11-02T08:48:27 < dongs> wasnt that free while it was in beta 2017-11-02T08:51:46 < dongs> i aint pying that guy $25 2017-11-02T08:51:53 < dongs> its all based around GCC/AIDS isnt it? 2017-11-02T08:53:38 < dongs> haha. 2017-11-02T08:53:40 < dongs> yea , no 2017-11-02T08:53:57 < dongs> if you aren't wasting enoug htime already, this book will show you how to waste more 2017-11-02T08:56:08 < dongs> in the opensores world, why is "free" prioritized over "works"? 2017-11-02T08:56:26 < dongs> free as in shit, but who cares if you waste countless hours making it work? 2017-11-02T08:58:45 < Thorn> gcc works fine 2017-11-02T08:59:23 < Thorn> cube even generates makefiles 2017-11-02T08:59:37 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-02T08:59:59 < Thorn> which seem to be pretty high quality and contain most of the tricks that I implemented manually in my makefiles 2017-11-02T09:10:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-02T09:13:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-02T09:50:11 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-02T09:52:39 < ohsix> aandrew: if you want to work in tech in bend, in my experience so far, it's all weed and dildo related 2017-11-02T09:52:54 < ohsix> s/work in tech/do some engineering/ 2017-11-02T09:53:30 < ohsix> don't have to make any growth arguments like you would for investors, when the shit is just falling in your lap 2017-11-02T09:54:30 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T10:34:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T11:01:41 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T11:07:01 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T11:07:26 -!- nighty-__ [~cp@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-02T11:07:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@CPE-58-175-67-231.tnqy1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T11:07:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@CPE-58-175-67-231.tnqy1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-02T11:07:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T11:07:41 -!- nighty-_ [~cp@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T11:23:16 -!- celeron55 [~celeron55@minetest/founder/celeron55] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T11:24:03 -!- celeron55 [~celeron55@minetest/founder/celeron55] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-02T11:51:46 < qyx> gpio_mode_setup in a F0 takes too long 2017-11-02T11:52:45 < qyx> 34us, the MCU is running at 8MHz 2017-11-02T11:55:02 < zyp> too long for what? switching between input and output? 2017-11-02T11:55:41 < qyx> between AF and input 2017-11-02T11:55:57 < qyx> I see, I call the function 4 times 2017-11-02T11:56:02 < qyx> and there is a loop inside 2017-11-02T11:56:27 < qyx> it construct the mask first and then sets MODER and PUPDR 2017-11-02T12:00:46 -!- blacktronics [uid142493@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ygrkpavakzdgcgkg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2017-11-02T12:04:09 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T12:05:01 < dongs> sounds like libopencm3fail 2017-11-02T12:07:23 < karlp> iirc someone proposed some sort of optimizatoin of one of those calls in a PR somewhere. 2017-11-02T12:07:48 < karlp> wasn't much of a priority as it was not expected to be something you were doing a lot. 2017-11-02T12:22:55 < qyx> I'll optimize it a bit later 2017-11-02T12:23:01 < qyx> now I just increased the delay 2017-11-02T12:29:23 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T12:32:24 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-02T12:45:59 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.68.231] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T12:49:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T12:54:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-143-84-64.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-02T13:20:55 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T13:25:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T13:27:44 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.68.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-02T13:47:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T13:50:20 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-02T14:10:22 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T14:11:59 < DelvingDeeper> I don't think it should, but just want to check. Having cube initialize my peripherals rather than doing it myself via the registers. Would this have any effect on the speed of code execution after initialization? Like does cube in some way initialize stuff really crappy that could cause bottlenecks 2017-11-02T14:12:16 < dongs> haha no 2017-11-02T14:12:18 < dongs> its same shit 2017-11-02T14:13:13 < DelvingDeeper> dongs:Great, pulling on straws right now to increase my execution speed 2017-11-02T14:26:15 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T14:27:11 < Laurenceb> sup trolls 2017-11-02T14:27:25 < Laurenceb> I just got punched by a scaffolder for health and safety reasons 2017-11-02T14:27:39 < Laurenceb> it was a health and safety punch 2017-11-02T14:28:11 < Laurenceb> >walk into work, scaffold van is reversing, stand back to let it park 2017-11-02T14:28:19 < Laurenceb> >scaffolder comes out 2017-11-02T14:28:49 < Laurenceb> >YE FUUUUCKIN CANNA WALK HERE, ITS CTIVE SITE, SEE THE FUKKKIN SIGN YE FUCKIN RETARDED PRICK 2017-11-02T14:29:34 < Laurenceb> >turn round, tiny piece of A4 taped to bollard, meanwhile closest actual scaffold is ~100m away 2017-11-02T14:29:43 < Laurenceb> >how about fuck you 2017-11-02T14:30:49 < Laurenceb> related https://the273.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/police-medic.jpg 2017-11-02T14:37:50 < Steffanx> Ya were just being an arse Laurenceb 2017-11-02T14:39:43 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-02T14:40:54 < Laurenceb> well he tried to push me over so deserved a punch in the face 2017-11-02T14:43:26 < Steffanx> And did you do that? 2017-11-02T14:43:44 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-127-107.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T14:43:44 < Laurenceb> yes 2017-11-02T14:43:51 < Laurenceb> of course 2017-11-02T14:44:29 < Steffanx> Sexy 2017-11-02T14:48:10 < karlp> hang on, he tried to push you away, you tried to punch him, then he punched you? wat? 2017-11-02T14:48:48 < BrainDamage> you know 99.9% of the stuff he writes is fake 2017-11-02T14:48:55 < BrainDamage> or copypasta from somewhere else 2017-11-02T14:52:26 -!- hdt551 [~hdt551@2602:304:ce6c:24b0:92b1:1cff:fe6e:7961] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2017-11-02T14:54:49 < Laurenceb> I'm literally shaking right now 2017-11-02T14:55:08 < Laurenceb> holy shit 2017-11-02T14:55:10 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/NZkFoSt 2017-11-02T14:55:23 < Laurenceb> spent some time vibration isolating my sensor 2017-11-02T14:57:00 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T14:59:11 < Steffanx> adrenaline much 2017-11-02T14:59:34 < kakimir> pump adrenalines 2017-11-02T15:00:05 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T15:00:18 < qyx> yre you shaking to test the vibration sensor or what 2017-11-02T15:00:21 < qyx> I did't get it 2017-11-02T15:00:56 < Laurenceb> qyx: thats the sensor noise floor 2017-11-02T15:01:14 < Laurenceb> noise floor is actually below datasheet spec 2017-11-02T15:01:24 < karlp> (at room temperature) 2017-11-02T15:01:30 < Laurenceb> yeah 2017-11-02T15:01:45 < Laurenceb> also z axis is noisier 2017-11-02T15:02:02 < Laurenceb> heh spike at ~30hz when office air con turns on 2017-11-02T15:02:08 < Laurenceb> this is v hard to test 2017-11-02T15:02:47 < BrainDamage> offer to test bullshit audiophile isolation dampers 2017-11-02T15:06:54 < sync> so the datashit is not lying 2017-11-02T15:06:59 < sync> amaze 2017-11-02T15:08:21 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-02T15:25:44 < kakimir> create mems feedback speaker drivers 2017-11-02T15:30:49 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/5zxxEbs.jpg it's not okay 2017-11-02T15:34:09 < sync> 10/10 2017-11-02T15:37:01 < kakimir> when it's about white males it's not racism 2017-11-02T15:47:18 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T15:50:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-02T16:14:39 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-127-107.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-02T16:26:01 -!- Ultrasauce [~quassel@24.224.220.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-02T16:32:23 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/D6SUyvv 2017-11-02T16:32:27 < Laurenceb> LIs3 magno noise 2017-11-02T16:45:14 < sync> quite ok 2017-11-02T16:47:29 < Laurenceb> gyro makes no sense still 2017-11-02T16:47:31 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/Z5OtpQ3 2017-11-02T16:51:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T16:51:57 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-02T16:59:00 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T17:11:41 < Laurenceb> wtf now octave pkg manager installs c and compiles locally 2017-11-02T17:11:52 < Laurenceb> just when I thought it was now bug free in 4.2.1 2017-11-02T17:12:07 < Laurenceb> /usr/include/octave-4.2.1/octave/../octave/lo-mappers.h:759:12 2017-11-02T17:12:10 < Laurenceb> the errors begin 2017-11-02T17:12:46 < tpw_rules> octave 2017-11-02T17:12:56 < tpw_rules> all the worst parts of matlab 2017-11-02T17:14:20 < Laurenceb> top kek 2017-11-02T17:14:38 < tpw_rules> the only good part of matlab is the toolboxes 2017-11-02T17:14:47 < tpw_rules> does it have real garbage collection 2017-11-02T17:14:58 < Laurenceb> dunno 2017-11-02T17:15:05 < Laurenceb> octave now has "forge" 2017-11-02T17:15:14 < Laurenceb> but its compiled locally, resulting in fail 2017-11-02T17:15:29 < tpw_rules> are binaries too good for them 2017-11-02T17:15:38 < tpw_rules> at least it's not java 2017-11-02T17:15:45 < Laurenceb> heh 2017-11-02T17:16:03 < Laurenceb> https://octave.sourceforge.io/ 2017-11-02T17:16:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-02T17:17:02 < BrainDamage> you know it's been there since at least 3-4 years right? 2017-11-02T17:17:13 < BrainDamage> when was the last time you updated 2017-11-02T17:17:28 < Laurenceb> 2008 2017-11-02T17:21:09 < Steffanx> Why i get the idea that is not a lie. 2017-11-02T17:22:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T17:26:39 < Laurenceb> hmm I think the gyro noise is actually real 2017-11-02T17:27:33 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/SzILaVZ 2017-11-02T17:27:50 < Laurenceb> guess the datasheet is correct if you average across axes and frequency 2017-11-02T17:28:25 < Laurenceb> looks to me like gyro dsp isnt filtering v well 2017-11-02T17:28:44 < Laurenceb> but as the gyro is actively driven there would be spikes in raw data 2017-11-02T17:30:55 -!- DelvingDeeper_ [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T17:31:28 < Laurenceb> http://www.mdpi.com/sensors/sensors-17-02306/article_deploy/html/images/sensors-17-02306-g018.png 2017-11-02T17:31:43 < Laurenceb> the high frequency trend looks kind of similar 2017-11-02T17:32:27 < DelvingDeeper_> Quick question, If I Initialize the DMA to increment the memory address but use the function : HAL_DMA_Start(&hdma_memtomem_dma2_stream2, (uint32_t)&aDST_Buffer1, (uint32_t)&aDST_Buffer2, 1) to do the transfer, It'll never increment the memory right ? How would I go about to get it to increment by 8 bits starting at &aDST_Buffer2. 2017-11-02T17:32:58 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T17:33:33 < englishman> Laurenceb: what gyro and what settings 2017-11-02T17:34:01 < Laurenceb> LSM6 gyro with 2000dps range and 6.7ksps update rate 2017-11-02T17:34:11 < englishman> and is that really noise floor? how have you isolated it 2017-11-02T17:34:23 < Laurenceb> boxes and foam and stuff 2017-11-02T17:34:43 < Laurenceb> could probably do a better job - I still see some spikes in the accel from air con fans 2017-11-02T17:34:56 < englishman> what's the frequency response of foam n stuff 2017-11-02T17:35:05 < Laurenceb> prob in tens of hz 2017-11-02T17:35:28 < englishman> why st gyro? 2017-11-02T17:35:48 < Laurenceb> because the specs are the best 2017-11-02T17:36:01 < englishman> is that millidegrees? 2017-11-02T17:36:05 < Laurenceb> yes 2017-11-02T17:36:12 < englishman> cool 2017-11-02T17:36:34 < Laurenceb> time to turn off all air con and wrap it in coats etc 2017-11-02T17:37:26 < Laurenceb> at least the LIS3 looks pretty https://imgur.com/4dc6N5P 2017-11-02T17:37:32 < englishman> glue some fishing weight to it 2017-11-02T17:38:00 < Laurenceb> octave 4.2.1 kernelling failz 2017-11-02T17:38:08 < Laurenceb> knew there would be a fail somewhere 2017-11-02T17:38:17 < englishman> too good to be true 2017-11-02T17:38:43 < englishman> how does the i2c read rate affect noise 2017-11-02T17:38:52 < Laurenceb> I dont know 2017-11-02T17:38:55 < Laurenceb> also its using spi 2017-11-02T17:39:00 < englishman> you have some millamps there pumping right next to it 2017-11-02T17:39:01 < englishman> hmm 2017-11-02T17:39:26 < Laurenceb> yeah there is no obvious EMI noise on the magno 2017-11-02T18:05:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-02T18:08:47 < Laurenceb> hmf 2017-11-02T18:08:54 < Laurenceb> occasional data glitches 2017-11-02T18:08:56 < Laurenceb> funtimes 2017-11-02T18:10:42 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:10:59 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:12:13 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-02T18:12:41 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:13:52 < aandrew> < ohsix> aandrew: if you want to work in tech in bend, in my experience so far, it's all weed and dildo related 2017-11-02T18:13:57 < aandrew> what is "in bend" ? 2017-11-02T18:13:59 < aandrew> oregon? 2017-11-02T18:14:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:17:06 < Laurenceb> this is really weird 2017-11-02T18:17:12 < Laurenceb> maybe audacity is glitching 2017-11-02T18:18:05 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/6mFb5S4v 2017-11-02T18:18:38 < Laurenceb> first = gyro, second accel 2017-11-02T18:18:46 < Laurenceb> only slight glitch on the gyro 2017-11-02T18:19:01 < Laurenceb> yet they are both sampled at the same time 2017-11-02T18:28:21 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-02T18:28:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:30:14 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:30:16 -!- dieforirc is now known as englishbot 2017-11-02T18:30:27 -!- englishbot [dieforirc@pumper.pro] has quit [Quit: englishbot] 2017-11-02T18:31:41 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-02T18:32:31 -!- englishlad [englishman@speedy.cloner.services] has quit [Quit: englishlad] 2017-11-02T18:33:04 < Laurenceb> what is x/0 with integers and gcc? 2017-11-02T18:33:09 < Laurenceb> =0 ? 2017-11-02T18:33:36 < upgrdman> cant div by 0 2017-11-02T18:34:16 < Laurenceb> sure 2017-11-02T18:34:16 < aandrew> Laurenceb: autisming hard today? 2017-11-02T18:34:23 < Laurenceb> but what happens when you do? 2017-11-02T18:34:30 < aandrew> you get an exception 2017-11-02T18:34:38 < upgrdman> maybe a signal on unix systems 2017-11-02T18:34:40 < Laurenceb> even on arm cortex? 2017-11-02T18:34:43 < Laurenceb> m0 2017-11-02T18:34:45 < upgrdman> oh 2017-11-02T18:34:46 < aandrew> Laurenceb: yes 2017-11-02T18:34:50 < upgrdman> hardfault maybe 2017-11-02T18:35:01 < Laurenceb> it has no hardware division 2017-11-02T18:35:02 < aandrew> no 2017-11-02T18:35:05 < aandrew> exactly 2017-11-02T18:35:12 < aandrew> I was just gonna say, you get a software exception from your math lib 2017-11-02T18:35:20 < Laurenceb> hmm 2017-11-02T18:35:20 < aandrew> or just a screwy answer and no notice that you done goofed 2017-11-02T18:35:25 -!- englishlad [englishman@speedy.cloner.services] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:35:28 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-02T18:35:30 < aandrew> it's englishman's son 2017-11-02T18:35:32 < Laurenceb> well I get screws results 2017-11-02T18:36:05 < aandrew> so don't /0 2017-11-02T18:36:34 < fenugrec> IIRC it's UB, so all bets are off. 2017-11-02T18:36:37 < upgrdman> if(denominator == 0) printf("nice try asshole."); 2017-11-02T18:36:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-02T18:36:44 < aandrew> yep 2017-11-02T18:37:18 < Laurenceb> looks like I need to read docs for __aeabi_idiv, judging from the disasm 2017-11-02T18:37:24 < fenugrec> no 2017-11-02T18:37:28 < fenugrec> you just need to NOT divide by 0 2017-11-02T18:37:37 < fenugrec> easy enough 2017-11-02T18:37:42 < Laurenceb> first I need to work out if I am or not 2017-11-02T18:37:55 < Laurenceb> its plausible that I might be if something else is going wrong 2017-11-02T18:38:07 < Laurenceb> so can it explain the data glitches, that is the question 2017-11-02T18:38:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:38:27 < aandrew> yep write smarter code 2017-11-02T18:38:41 < aandrew> hell even in FP land you have to kind of watch it and check for NANs and shit 2017-11-02T18:38:51 < Laurenceb> >To trap the division by zero, therefore, you have only to place a breakpoint on __aeabi_idiv0. 2017-11-02T18:38:55 < Laurenceb> docs wtf 2017-11-02T18:38:58 < Laurenceb> *ftw 2017-11-02T18:40:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-02T18:40:28 < Laurenceb> true story: this is my dentist http://sentintospace.com/ 2017-11-02T18:41:54 -!- englishbot [englishman@shitty.cloner.tech] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:43:17 < Laurenceb> >go to dentist and talk about shit badly whilst my mouth is open 2017-11-02T18:43:33 < Laurenceb> >literally rips off my balloon shit as a business 2017-11-02T18:44:49 < Laurenceb> oh wow https://www.facebook.com/SentIntoSpace/videos/2068338283304667/ 2017-11-02T18:45:03 < Laurenceb> literally dropping ppl over everyone 2017-11-02T18:46:26 < Laurenceb> hahaha oh my god http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/06/00/45106BF400000578-4953738-image-a-2_1507245123012.jpg 2017-11-02T18:46:57 < Laurenceb> dentists dressed as astronauts 2017-11-02T18:47:09 < englishlad> are those wax models 2017-11-02T18:47:27 < Laurenceb> they are what dentists look like 2017-11-02T18:48:26 < Laurenceb> this is more fake than mythbusters 2017-11-02T18:50:14 < Laurenceb> protip : never tell ur dentists what u do irl 2017-11-02T18:50:27 < Laurenceb> no, nothing is that fake 2017-11-02T18:50:34 < Laurenceb> apart from emdrive 2017-11-02T18:52:50 < englishlad> https://communities.intel.com/thread/58880 2017-11-02T18:56:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-42b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:56:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-66-246-241-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T18:58:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-02T19:04:11 < Laurenceb> 1 0x080003fe in __divsi3 () 2017-11-02T19:04:11 < Laurenceb> Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) 2017-11-02T19:04:16 < Laurenceb> thats bad right? 2017-11-02T19:07:12 < Laurenceb> raw data looks fine, so there are no real glitches 2017-11-02T19:08:09 < Laurenceb> prob my dsp code overwriting stack - from the time when it errors thats what would be running 2017-11-02T19:10:37 -!- englishman [sid120659@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vsfsuvfmiaztpljh] has quit [] 2017-11-02T19:10:54 -!- englishlad is now known as englishman 2017-11-02T19:24:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-02T19:25:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T19:43:57 < Laurenceb> ok wut 2017-11-02T19:44:11 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/p9u5kESm 2017-11-02T19:44:25 < Laurenceb> p strt 2017-11-02T19:44:25 < Laurenceb> $14 = -1 '\377' 2017-11-02T19:44:35 < Laurenceb> p lsmbufferindex 2017-11-02T19:44:35 < Laurenceb> $15 = 0 '\000' 2017-11-02T19:44:40 < Laurenceb> shit makes no sense 2017-11-02T19:45:31 < Laurenceb> LSMBUFSIZ is 38 2017-11-02T19:49:53 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-02T19:51:19 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T19:55:03 < Laurenceb> oh its a race condition 2017-11-02T19:55:04 < Laurenceb> doh 2017-11-02T19:58:01 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T19:59:48 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-02T20:02:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-02T20:03:35 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moggmentum 2017-11-02T20:15:43 < Steffanx> I love you Laurenceb 2017-11-02T20:17:32 < BrainDamage> better shitposting http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/users/gambetta/Engineers%20of%20Jihad.pdf 2017-11-02T20:19:02 < Laurenceb> intriguing url is intriguing 2017-11-02T20:21:01 * Laurenceb can still check uni goods inwards system from his server 2017-11-02T20:21:14 < Laurenceb> >Hydrogen Peroxide: Mohammad 2017-11-02T20:21:21 < Laurenceb> even moar worrying 2017-11-02T20:24:29 < englishman> hey stefs 2017-11-02T20:24:33 < englishman> guess who hasnt delivered 2017-11-02T20:25:10 < Laurenceb> englishman has no hydrogen peroxide? 2017-11-02T20:25:32 < Laurenceb> protip: its at the goods inwards hut 2017-11-02T20:26:02 < Laurenceb> you will need some chapati flour 2017-11-02T20:27:03 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/ESho3HN 2017-11-02T20:32:50 < Laurenceb> >Join the army today, you get to sit in a base and lift weights and beat off while playing xbox and then occasionally shoot at paper while getting yelled at by a manlet 2017-11-02T20:32:55 < Laurenceb> 4chan delivers 2017-11-02T20:46:35 < englishman> arrow sent me a trackin number 2017-11-02T20:46:49 < englishman> Carrier: FEDEX 2017-11-02T20:46:49 < englishman> Shipment Method: International Priority 2017-11-02T20:46:49 < englishman> Tracking Number (click to track): 1Z4R2xxxxxxxxxx 2017-11-02T20:46:55 < englishman> get it together guys 2017-11-02T20:53:56 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-127-107.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T20:55:39 < Laurenceb> oh yes, what we have been waiting for 2017-11-02T20:55:41 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/Zt5RJB6 2017-11-02T20:56:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T20:58:13 < BrainDamage> omg, for once you posted something funny 2017-11-02T21:03:57 < englishman> aandrew: Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne has stood by her government’s decision to spend nearly $54,000 on Canada Goose winter jackets. 2017-11-02T21:03:57 < englishman> lol 2017-11-02T21:05:22 < Laurenceb> top kek https://news.sky.com/story/would-be-bomber-bought-wrong-nail-varnish-remover-from-derby-asda-court-hears-11109575 2017-11-02T21:07:21 < upgrdman> lol. "softwareserial" on the retarduino uno can't do 115200 transmit reliably. htf did they fuck it up that bad. 2017-11-02T21:08:55 < upgrdman> planning a new yt video 2017-11-02T21:09:04 < upgrdman> retarduino + esp8266 2017-11-02T21:09:26 < upgrdman> also need a way to test tcp/udp for my telemetry viewer program 2017-11-02T21:09:40 < BrainDamage> just make an arduino expansion board featuring a stm32, then use the stm32 2017-11-02T21:09:49 < BrainDamage> then the arduino toggles an enable pin 2017-11-02T21:09:52 < upgrdman> ^ real pro tip 2017-11-02T21:10:32 < upgrdman> hmm. o, i could use serial for the esp8266 and then use shitsoftwareserial at slow 9600 for debug uart 2017-11-02T21:10:49 < upgrdman> but programming the retarduino will be annoying then, need to unplug esp8266 when flashing 2017-11-02T21:11:51 < upgrdman> less autism, what the FUCK does wireshark allow itself to start as a normal user if it needs admin to actually use any fucking interface. 2017-11-02T21:13:00 < upgrdman> im not on lunix 2017-11-02T21:13:35 < upgrdman> im on windows, because i need to actually get work done instead of just masturbating to the though of richard stallman like you lunix fags do 2017-11-02T21:14:07 < BrainDamage> because wireshark can be used as viewer for the dumps 2017-11-02T21:14:26 < BrainDamage> realtime capture mode even if it's one of main usages, it's not all 2017-11-02T21:14:29 < upgrdman> yes but it should at least have a button or a big fucking warning to run as admin if you want to capture anything 2017-11-02T21:14:53 < upgrdman> instead its like "lolumad. google to find out why i'm showing you zero interfaces." 2017-11-02T21:15:14 < Laurenceb> >not using bascom avr 2017-11-02T21:15:23 < upgrdman> dafuq's dat 2017-11-02T21:15:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.mcselec.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14 2017-11-02T21:15:39 < Laurenceb> better than tarduino 2017-11-02T21:15:49 < englishman> upgrdman, softserial on stm32 would be pretty taxing at 115200 as well 2017-11-02T21:16:46 < upgrdman> englishman, wat. stm32 can easily do 48MHz. that's 416 clocks per bit. 2017-11-02T21:16:58 < upgrdman> even if it blocks to tx, that's very doable. 2017-11-02T21:17:26 < upgrdman> and if interrupt based, the jitter from dick switching should be a small % of 416 clocks 2017-11-02T21:18:34 < englishman> wait are you using an actual avr 2017-11-02T21:18:42 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T21:18:48 < upgrdman> englishman, retardino uno 2017-11-02T21:18:49 < englishman> yes its kind of hard to remember how slow those are heh 2017-11-02T21:18:53 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-02T21:18:58 < upgrdman> 8niggahurtz 2017-11-02T21:19:18 < englishman> should be 16 on xtal 2017-11-02T21:19:18 < Laurenceb> so use bascom 2017-11-02T21:19:24 < Laurenceb> it has soft serial 2017-11-02T21:19:32 < upgrdman> ok make 16 2017-11-02T21:19:44 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, fuck it. i hate this shit. only using it for muh yt ad revenue 2017-11-02T21:19:55 < englishman> time to make stm32duino 2017-11-02T21:19:55 < Laurenceb> wew 2017-11-02T21:20:00 < upgrdman> stm32 for projects worth working on 2017-11-02T21:20:06 < Laurenceb> > youtube ad monkey 2017-11-02T21:20:08 < englishman> you'll be retiring soon then 2017-11-02T21:20:10 < englishman> ? 2017-11-02T21:20:13 < Laurenceb> my cousin is one of those 2017-11-02T21:20:17 < Laurenceb> quite lulzy 2017-11-02T21:20:25 < Laurenceb> shall I link the channel..... 2017-11-02T21:20:26 < upgrdman> well my yt ad revenue has been increasing 2017-11-02T21:20:44 < upgrdman> not quit-your-job levels, but trending up with little real work on my part 2017-11-02T21:20:55 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, yes link plz 2017-11-02T21:21:47 < Laurenceb> now I legit cant find it lol 2017-11-02T21:22:18 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-02T21:30:46 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-02T21:31:12 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T21:34:58 < englishman> what kind of tool can i use to make pro cable drawings 2017-11-02T21:36:44 < Steffanx> Paint shop pro 2017-11-02T21:36:59 < Steffanx> nah i dont know, dont use such tools 2017-11-02T21:37:07 < englishman> :( 2017-11-02T21:37:28 < Steffanx> but i got this feeling sync is the guy you need 2017-11-02T21:37:30 < Laurenceb> wew he has patreon 2017-11-02T21:37:35 < Laurenceb> not posting due to trolls 2017-11-02T21:37:40 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/6cQT11A 2017-11-02T21:37:54 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T21:37:54 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-02T21:37:54 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-02T21:38:11 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by ChanServ 2017-11-02T21:38:44 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read 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Laurenceb_> rather than just taking the mean as it does atm 2017-11-03T00:37:15 < Laurenceb_> the value at each frequency is the mean of a series of interleaved 0.2s bins 2017-11-03T00:38:29 < invzim> how do I set the outline of a part in altium? 2017-11-03T00:38:43 < invzim> have an oddball footprint, and now it seems to be using the silk as boundry 2017-11-03T00:38:43 < Laurenceb_> but that throws away half the information so you need 2 times the recording duration to get as clean a PSD curve 2017-11-03T00:39:09 -!- DelvingDeeper_ [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-03T00:39:47 < Laurenceb_> also needs a weird dericing operator applying 2017-11-03T00:40:54 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-03T00:44:44 < Laurenceb_> if I can write some detrending code for the argument it becomes simple 2017-11-03T00:44:56 < englishman> ff7 was on bin laden's computer 2017-11-03T00:45:33 < kakimir> how is your border wall coming up englishman? 2017-11-03T00:45:40 < englishman> good 2017-11-03T00:45:51 < englishman> it's going to be a great wall 2017-11-03T00:46:06 < Laurenceb_> final fantasy? 2017-11-03T00:47:03 < englishman> yea 2017-11-03T00:47:29 < Laurenceb_> wew 2017-11-03T00:53:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T00:56:50 < branjb> looking at a section of code to control stepper motors, I found this: https://pastebin.com/Ti2dwuea 2017-11-03T00:57:13 < branjb> anyone know what they are talking about when they say non-linear behavior of stepper motors, add an offset, and multiply by a scalar? 2017-11-03T01:09:21 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-03T01:11:19 < branjb> something about "logarithmic behavior stepper motor speed vs pulse train" ? 2017-11-03T01:17:19 -!- vampi-the-frog 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< englishman> nearly 200mW to run an empty chip 2017-11-03T02:12:50 < branjb> ship it 2017-11-03T02:16:10 < englishman> power supply works 2017-11-03T02:16:11 < englishman> shit 2017-11-03T02:16:15 < englishman> so its one of the level shifters 2017-11-03T02:16:39 < sync> rip 2017-11-03T02:19:45 < englishman> ywp 2017-11-03T02:19:54 < englishman> i2c shifter 2017-11-03T02:20:20 < englishman> i use tssop pinout on vssop 2017-11-03T02:20:36 < englishman> all 4 fucking pins are different 2017-11-03T02:20:46 < englishman> on one side 2017-11-03T02:21:51 < sync> ah, shit 2017-11-03T02:23:25 < englishman> hmm 2017-11-03T02:23:38 < englishman> i can prolly hack this to work 2017-11-03T02:25:21 < Laurenceb_> and you said I was slow to get my shit working 2017-11-03T02:25:53 < Laurenceb_> >be me 2017-11-03T02:25:58 < Laurenceb_> >load email 2017-11-03T02:26:05 < Laurenceb_> >Your discount at M&S has increased to 2017-11-03T02:26:18 < Laurenceb_> JUST GIVE ME A FUCKING PAY RISE 2017-11-03T02:28:43 < Laurenceb_> >free gym membership 2017-11-03T02:28:48 < Laurenceb_> >sent to coderz 2017-11-03T02:29:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T02:29:27 < englishman> hmm nope 2017-11-03T02:29:31 < englishman> put other level shifter on 2017-11-03T02:29:34 < englishman> shit is rekt 2017-11-03T02:29:35 < englishman> wtf 2017-11-03T02:30:53 < sync> measure w/o shifter? 2017-11-03T02:30:58 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/juqNzdr 2017-11-03T02:31:05 < Laurenceb_> Scotland is the new Nigeria 2017-11-03T02:34:11 < dongs> lolwut 2017-11-03T02:35:47 < englishman> o shit, chip isnt rekt 2017-11-03T02:35:53 < englishman> remove level shifter, it boots fine 2017-11-03T02:35:56 < englishman> wtf 2017-11-03T02:36:16 < englishman> wtf is default state of these pins 2017-11-03T02:36:18 < Laurenceb_> its loaded with troll.bin 2017-11-03T02:36:38 < Laurenceb_> >using sam 2017-11-03T02:36:41 < Laurenceb_> >not stm32 2017-11-03T02:36:42 < englishman> srsly 2017-11-03T02:36:51 < englishman> project would have shipped by now 2017-11-03T02:37:04 < Laurenceb_> even if u used cubemx 2017-11-03T02:39:17 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/sdfg3csdkjvz.jpg 2017-11-03T02:42:36 < sync> upgrdman: stepper motors are more complicated than I thought, they usually feature a reluctance motor inside of the pmsm 2017-11-03T02:43:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-03T02:43:41 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/elmjid0s2hvz.jpg 2017-11-03T02:43:57 < upgrdman> sync, wat 2017-11-03T02:45:09 < sync> well, they are engineered in a way that they experience reluctance torque 2017-11-03T02:45:19 < sync> making them "hybrid" 2017-11-03T02:48:01 < englishman> oh interesting 2017-11-03T02:48:29 < englishman> internal sam reset line does not have enough drive strength to push high both a level shifter and a decoupling cap 2017-11-03T02:48:51 < upgrdman> sync, reluctance is the "desire" to align with a magnetic field, right? 2017-11-03T02:49:18 < sync> reluctance is is magnetic resistance 2017-11-03T02:49:44 < sync> basically a reluctance motor works by making the magnetic path for the q and d components of the field vector unequal 2017-11-03T02:49:50 < sync> thus generating torques 2017-11-03T02:55:41 < sync> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidua76a/tidua76a.pdf 2017-11-03T02:55:46 < sync> oh, interesting 2017-11-03T02:55:55 < sync> coupling the data into the powersupply 2017-11-03T02:56:35 < upgrdman> looks safe https://i.redd.it/kbmu3ejnanvz.jpg 2017-11-03T02:57:07 < sync> 10/10 would fly 2017-11-03T02:57:15 < Laurenceb_> browsing reddit 2017-11-03T03:00:30 < englishman> fuckin noob mistakes 2017-11-03T03:01:40 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/oqc7qk79mnvz.jpg 2017-11-03T03:05:57 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/KUyC0N2 2017-11-03T03:13:26 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-03T03:16:42 < kakimir> upgrdman: someone just probs wanted to use shit pencil 2017-11-03T03:17:23 < kakimir> do other countries have same type of dorm thing than in states? 2017-11-03T03:19:05 < upgrdman> dunno. i also lived on my own or with parents 2017-11-03T03:19:27 < upgrdman> s/also/always 2017-11-03T03:19:56 < aandrew> upgrdman: I didn't know you lived on the third floor 2017-11-03T03:20:39 < upgrdman> i dont live on the third floor, i only poop there. 2017-11-03T03:20:57 < upgrdman> don't shit where you sleep. 2017-11-03T03:21:01 < kakimir> *laughters* 2017-11-03T03:21:22 < upgrdman> multiple laughter 2017-11-03T03:33:10 < Laurenceb_> yeah what is it with muricans and dorms 2017-11-03T03:33:12 < Laurenceb_> like wtf 2017-11-03T03:33:20 < Laurenceb_> nobody is sleeping in my room 2017-11-03T03:45:58 < upgrdman> not even you 2017-11-03T03:47:11 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxXrxii7Kbg 2017-11-03T03:49:13 < upgrdman> >Your discount at M&S has increased to 2017-11-03T03:49:18 < upgrdman> whats m&s 2017-11-03T03:49:46 < Laurenceb_> a supermarket 2017-11-03T03:50:07 < upgrdman> k 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vaguely coherent noise from PSD plots 2017-11-03T04:15:12 < upgrdman> median filter? 2017-11-03T04:15:27 < Laurenceb_> nah - phasor space stuff 2017-11-03T04:15:41 < Laurenceb_> standard interleaved time/frequency bins 2017-11-03T04:16:15 < Laurenceb_> then diff the arg over time in each frequency bit 2017-11-03T04:16:18 < Laurenceb_> *bin 2017-11-03T04:16:35 < Laurenceb_> d=diff(arg(phasors)); 2017-11-03T04:16:44 < Laurenceb_> d(find(d<-pi))+=2*pi; 2017-11-03T04:16:57 < Laurenceb_> d(find(d>pi))-=2*pi;mean(d) 2017-11-03T04:18:01 < Laurenceb_> then rotate each bin by angle d and diff with its neighbour, take abs, divide by sqrt(2) then treat as if it were the actual bin value in the plotting code 2017-11-03T04:18:53 < Laurenceb_> seems to completely strip out any coherent noise thats greater than 3dB below the white noise floor 2017-11-03T04:19:38 < Laurenceb_> now I dont have to turn off air con 2017-11-03T04:20:17 < Laurenceb_> basically specgram with a few lines of shit in the middle 2017-11-03T04:20:37 < upgrdman> speculum with shit in the middle 2017-11-03T04:20:42 < Laurenceb_> correct 2017-11-03T04:23:02 < Laurenceb_> ok narrowband 4dB below the noise floor is attenuated by a further 3dB 2017-11-03T04:23:30 < Laurenceb_> once the narrowband approaches the noise floor closer its killed completely 2017-11-03T04:24:02 < Laurenceb_> I'm sure there is some uber analytic proof, but I can just type shit in octave and call it a day 2017-11-03T04:25:31 < Laurenceb_> I suspect this is what piksi does on the fpga 2017-11-03T04:26:25 < Laurenceb_> it has narrowband killing DSP to improve the signal 2017-11-03T04:27:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T04:28:00 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@ip-142-232-162-96.ptr.bcit.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-03T04:31:14 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@ip-142-232-162-96.ptr.bcit.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T04:42:41 -!- Laurenceb_ 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2017-11-03T09:30:38 < stvn> they suck it off 2017-11-03T09:30:58 < stvn> good morning steffan 2017-11-03T09:31:19 < stvn> the analogue voltages 2017-11-03T09:41:14 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-03T09:49:52 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/MachinePix/status/865306996081172480 2017-11-03T11:00:32 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-03T11:34:12 < invzim> gah, routing 2 layer is like going back to economy when you're used to business class 2017-11-03T11:48:52 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T11:49:39 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-182-68-117.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T11:53:46 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-03T12:16:02 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T12:23:27 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-03T12:29:03 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T12:31:52 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T12:44:59 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-03T12:51:56 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T12:54:53 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T12:56:41 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-03T12:57:00 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-03T13:00:59 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T13:06:07 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-03T13:08:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T13:23:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-03T13:35:12 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T13:43:24 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T13:52:33 < Steffanx> 🦆 2017-11-03T14:41:19 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-03T14:42:36 < Laurenceb> Laurenceb: I don't understand the filter you're describing 2017-11-03T14:42:49 < Laurenceb> its a filter to remove narrowband signals 2017-11-03T14:43:14 < Laurenceb> that are distinct from wideband white noise 2017-11-03T14:48:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-03T14:49:02 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T14:52:13 < Steffanx> Are you over engineering much Laurenceb ? 2017-11-03T14:52:32 < Laurenceb> I get paid to do this shit 2017-11-03T14:52:44 < Laurenceb> might as well over deliver 2017-11-03T14:53:20 < sync> pfff 2017-11-03T14:54:48 < aandrew> Laurenceb: sounds like a notch filter 2017-11-03T15:11:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-03T15:11:55 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T15:16:10 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-03T15:19:02 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T15:21:04 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-182-68-117.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-03T15:22:59 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T15:26:04 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/a/jK8sJ 2017-11-03T15:26:07 < Laurenceb> way nicer 2017-11-03T15:26:21 < kakimir> my ubiquiti has arrived 2017-11-03T15:27:01 < Steffanx> Ubiquiti what? 2017-11-03T15:27:13 < kakimir> bullet 2017-11-03T15:27:16 < kakimir> 2.4 2017-11-03T15:28:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNjlFMUxETkZqMEE/view?usp=sharing almost for price of poe psu 2017-11-03T15:28:22 < kakimir> used ofc 2017-11-03T15:28:28 < Steffanx> ##stm32 is mikrotik fan you know 2017-11-03T15:28:53 < kakimir> I'm sorry 2017-11-03T15:29:02 < kakimir> I'll always be a traitor 2017-11-03T15:29:51 < sync> mikrodick 2017-11-03T15:29:54 < kakimir> always walking on the side of paved way 2017-11-03T15:30:02 < sync> stupid hardware, was eating packets 2017-11-03T15:31:55 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/mFMA6gu1 2017-11-03T15:32:01 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2017-11-03T15:47:59 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T15:52:03 < kakimir> sync: microtik? 2017-11-03T15:53:50 < sync> mikrodick, yes 2017-11-03T15:54:46 < kakimir> that's gay 2017-11-03T15:54:57 < kakimir> ubiquiti rules 2017-11-03T15:55:15 < kakimir> what do you use microtik for? 2017-11-03T16:02:39 < sync> we used one of those mikrodick cloudswitch things for event wifi 2017-11-03T16:02:43 < sync> and it would eat packets 2017-11-03T16:09:36 < kakimir> if it has cloud in it 2017-11-03T16:10:02 < kakimir> or iot to say 2017-11-03T16:10:03 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2017-11-03T16:10:50 < kakimir> you know it's all a big glitch 2017-11-03T16:12:46 < kakimir> too much crappy webdev and too little hard codez and keeping it simple 2017-11-03T16:22:29 < Laurenceb> ok there were some issues with my codez 2017-11-03T16:22:31 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/a/iUZqh 2017-11-03T16:22:36 < Laurenceb> perfect match to datasheet 2017-11-03T16:23:01 < Laurenceb> gyro also a good match below 200hz 2017-11-03T16:23:50 < englishman> sync, which one 2017-11-03T16:23:59 < englishman> and how many packets were you pushing thru it 2017-11-03T16:24:25 < sync> like a few 2017-11-03T16:24:33 < sync> dhcp was completely fucked 2017-11-03T16:24:45 < englishman> ah, routeros is lunix 2017-11-03T16:25:40 < Laurenceb> everything is explained 2017-11-03T16:25:55 < Laurenceb> as much fail as gopro 2017-11-03T16:26:39 * englishman overheats 2017-11-03T16:27:45 < Laurenceb> havent actually seen that one yet 2017-11-03T16:27:56 < Laurenceb> just locking up and failing to boot 2017-11-03T16:28:26 < englishman> apparently they dropped (or renamed) ambarella for the new shit 2017-11-03T16:28:32 < englishman> wonder if they are really in the asic game now 2017-11-03T16:29:02 < sync> nobody has a current gen gobro teardown? 2017-11-03T16:29:19 < Laurenceb> aiui gopro used to be ambarella with shit mods by gofail 2017-11-03T16:29:29 < Laurenceb> the core dsp that wasnt written by them was epin 2017-11-03T16:29:41 < Laurenceb> then there was lunix shit shitted ontop of it 2017-11-03T16:30:24 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T16:30:31 < dongs> sup dongs 2017-11-03T16:30:50 < englishman> https://gethypoxic.com/blogs/technical/gopro-hero6-teardown-preliminary 2017-11-03T16:31:48 < Laurenceb> Cortex-M0 coprocessor 2017-11-03T16:31:54 < Laurenceb> serious horsepower 2017-11-03T16:32:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T16:32:11 < englishman> just to make sure the lunix boots 2017-11-03T16:32:19 < Laurenceb> haha probably 2017-11-03T16:32:24 < Laurenceb> "GoPro GP1" processor (M9M) 2017-11-03T16:32:47 < Laurenceb> hopefully they dont fail as much at vhdl as they do at lunix 2017-11-03T16:32:53 < sync> hm, ucocks gps 2017-11-03T16:33:06 < Laurenceb> whats upo with ublox? 2017-11-03T16:34:05 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-03T16:34:07 < englishman> maybe for drone shit 2017-11-03T16:34:07 < Laurenceb> A mediator/watchdog, the RTOS, and Linux. Fast bootup is accelerated by Lineo Warp!! hibernation technology 2017-11-03T16:34:13 < Laurenceb> what could go wrong.... 2017-11-03T16:34:37 * Laurenceb predicts screen full of boot errors 2017-11-03T16:34:56 < englishman> haha 2017-11-03T16:34:59 < englishman> [ OK ] 2017-11-03T16:35:02 < englishman> scrolling 2017-11-03T16:35:03 < Laurenceb> >obviously software calls to the Milbeaut SDK / GoPro Imaging Libraries (CPCC) vs. the Ambarella SDK 2017-11-03T16:35:05 < Laurenceb> oh god 2017-11-03T16:35:21 < Laurenceb> they literally ditched the only good part of previous gopro - the dsp libs 2017-11-03T16:47:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-03T16:52:39 < englishman> "We've finally been able to make a GoPro without compromises. We haven't had to work around somebody's else chip design and chip limitation," Woodman said 2017-11-03T16:53:09 < englishman> "If we didn't design the GP1 chip ourselves, Hero 6 Black would be much more expensive than it is today." 2017-11-03T16:57:30 < englishman> wtf, i choose JST connectors because all connector parts have a clearly marked Pin 1 label 2017-11-03T16:57:35 < englishman> yet nobody fucking ever sees it 2017-11-03T17:00:27 < aandrew> heh 2017-11-03T17:00:44 < aandrew> JST and Hirose are good connectors, although I think I prefer Hirose over JST 2017-11-03T17:00:51 < aandrew> IIRC JST is cheaper 2017-11-03T17:01:04 < aandrew> and then Molex minifit-jr and microfit3 for real connectors 2017-11-03T17:02:15 < englishman> jst has very high availability in china 2017-11-03T17:02:44 < englishman> does hirose have good wire-to-board stuff? never looked 2017-11-03T17:04:13 < aandrew> yes 2017-11-03T17:04:21 < aandrew> DF13 is one of my favourite tiny connector series 2017-11-03T17:04:37 < aandrew> crimping them is a royal PITA because I'm old and have ape hands 2017-11-03T17:16:28 < Laurenceb> >GCCB protocol 2017-11-03T17:16:31 < Laurenceb> wtf is that 2017-11-03T17:16:33 < englishman> dono about that, id never want to crimp anything 2017-11-03T17:16:48 < Laurenceb> HeroBus/GCCB protocol 2017-11-03T17:16:51 < Laurenceb> oh wow 2017-11-03T17:16:56 < englishman> https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/jst-sales-america-inc/AGHGH28K51/455-3072-ND/6009448 2017-11-03T17:16:59 < englishman> just stock up on these 2017-11-03T17:17:01 < Laurenceb> their own "standard" 2017-11-03T17:17:16 < englishman> Number of Positions 2, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 30, 3, 40, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 2017-11-03T17:17:17 < englishman> rage 2017-11-03T17:17:22 < aandrew> englishman: yep I have a bunch of those :-) 2017-11-03T17:17:27 < englishman> already i hate hirose for that 2017-11-03T17:18:33 < aandrew> hate them for what 2017-11-03T17:18:51 < Laurenceb> blind hatred 2017-11-03T17:19:23 < Laurenceb> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/965/123/1d0.png 2017-11-03T17:20:44 < Laurenceb> woot finally found the high res 2017-11-03T17:20:45 < Laurenceb> http://oozepretty.com/pop/ups/2017/03/internet_hate_machine_joshua_goldberg-1200x990.jpg 2017-11-03T17:20:47 < Laurenceb> saved 2017-11-03T17:21:19 < englishman> slow day at work laurent? 2017-11-03T17:22:25 < Laurenceb> I'm happy now 2017-11-03T17:22:40 < Laurenceb> got my favourite car2oon saved 2017-11-03T17:23:18 < Laurenceb> oh wow 2017-11-03T17:23:22 < Laurenceb> shit just got better 2017-11-03T17:23:36 < Laurenceb> my boss has just crashed the ambulance 2017-11-03T17:23:46 < englishman> lol 2017-11-03T17:24:30 < Laurenceb> my fucking sides 2017-11-03T17:25:01 < Laurenceb> its in a ditch and one side is fucked up 2017-11-03T17:25:21 < englishman> did you get it on the accel logs 2017-11-03T17:26:13 < Laurenceb> heh the system isnt finished yet 2017-11-03T17:26:58 < englishman> Kevin Spacey made the set of Netflix's "House of Cards" into a "toxic" work environment through a pattern of sexual harassment, eight people who currently work on the show or worked on it in the past tell 2017-11-03T17:27:03 < englishman> rapin erryone up in here 2017-11-03T17:27:46 < Laurenceb> http://fico.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22593iBB5B08FCAF17F17C?v=1.0 2017-11-03T17:38:21 < sync> too many doriftos in the amberlamps 2017-11-03T17:48:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-03T18:08:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-83-141-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T18:17:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T18:19:17 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-03T18:22:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-83-141-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-03T18:24:12 < Rob235> Steffanx 2017-11-03T18:24:21 < Steffanx> Rob235 2017-11-03T18:24:33 < Rob235> thank your country for making speculoos cookie butter 2017-11-03T18:24:54 < Steffanx> haha yes 2017-11-03T18:25:06 < Rob235> it is the most delicious thing ive ever tasted 2017-11-03T18:25:21 < Steffanx> Sadly the one i REALLY REALLY liked was discontinued because the super market that sold it no longer exists 2017-11-03T18:25:55 < Rob235> I didnt know there were different varieties, other than chunky and with chocolate 2017-11-03T18:26:06 < Steffanx> nah, different manufacturers 2017-11-03T18:26:08 < Rob235> ahhh 2017-11-03T18:26:25 < Steffanx> Better get some stroopwaffles 2017-11-03T18:26:46 < Rob235> speculooop waffles 2017-11-03T18:26:55 < Steffanx> those exist too yes 2017-11-03T18:27:03 < Rob235> anyway, gotta shower, I stink 2017-11-03T18:27:12 < Steffanx> too much speculoos 2017-11-03T18:27:16 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-03T18:35:07 < Laurenceb> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+X+Teardown/98975 2017-11-03T18:37:37 < Steffanx> Did they steal your sensors? 2017-11-03T18:40:07 < Laurenceb> wtf @ stacked boards 2017-11-03T18:40:21 < Laurenceb> so many connects, surely can't be a good use of space 2017-11-03T18:41:46 < Laurenceb> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/OYsIHWAHwVUNSilS.medium 2017-11-03T18:41:48 < Laurenceb> a bit mad 2017-11-03T18:42:58 < englishman> found thorn https://www.instagram.com/p/BbBT_8gn3wJ/ 2017-11-03T18:45:24 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, ya no kidding. smartphone going all cordwood on us now 2017-11-03T18:48:16 < Laurenceb> the mini kinect thing is cool 2017-11-03T18:48:24 < Laurenceb> wonder how they stabilise the laser 2017-11-03T18:48:32 < Laurenceb> kinect had a huge peltier 2017-11-03T18:48:54 < Laurenceb> maybe they used ECDL 2017-11-03T18:48:59 < englishman> They created a third spacer PCB that lines the perimeter. And instead of connecting the two layers with a fussy flex cable, data travels along dozens of through-hole vias. 2017-11-03T18:49:00 < englishman> cool 2017-11-03T18:49:12 < Laurenceb> sounds arduino tier 2017-11-03T18:49:56 < upgrdman> shields :) 2017-11-03T18:50:05 < upgrdman> just stack moar pcbs 2017-11-03T18:50:32 < Laurenceb> wait wut 2017-11-03T18:50:42 < Laurenceb> they run wireless charging through a hunk of alu? 2017-11-03T18:50:48 < Laurenceb> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/wrkuLDdI3SBMWYSi.medium 2017-11-03T18:50:53 < englishman> Microsoft made a nifty spatial sensor called the Kinect. The infrared dot matrix tech powering it was created by Israeli tech company PrimeSense. Apple bought PrimeSense for a cool $360 million way back in 2013 2017-11-03T18:51:07 < englishman> literally kinect 2017-11-03T18:51:17 < Laurenceb> (((PrimeSense))) 2017-11-03T18:52:04 < Laurenceb> oh there is a hole 2017-11-03T18:52:05 < Laurenceb> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/xJrv4lZaHCVOw5NV.medium 2017-11-03T18:52:40 < englishman> meanwhile my $200 pink chinaphone arrives today 2017-11-03T18:52:58 < englishman> with headphone jack 2017-11-03T18:53:07 < Ultrasauce> what one? 2017-11-03T18:53:12 < englishman> mi a1 2017-11-03T18:53:30 < Laurenceb> wonder where the mems sensors are 2017-11-03T18:54:07 < Ultrasauce> lemme know how much it sucks 2017-11-03T18:54:15 < englishman> sure 2017-11-03T18:54:25 < englishman> at least it comes with real assdroid 2017-11-03T18:55:11 < englishman> Laurenceb maybe they have integrated them into one of their other ics 2017-11-03T18:55:19 < englishman> or as an mcm 2017-11-03T18:57:31 < englishman> oh maybe its in the module marked Taptic Engine with barometer hole 2017-11-03T18:57:35 < englishman> that they didnt tear down 2017-11-03T18:57:48 < Laurenceb> ah yeah 2017-11-03T18:59:06 < Laurenceb> iphone 8 has a bosch imu 2017-11-03T19:07:03 < englishman> AMD is reportedly working with Tesla to develop a custom self-driving chip for its vehicles 2017-11-03T19:07:06 < englishman> meme companies, unite 2017-11-03T19:08:34 < Laurenceb> PEDO_RST_STEP 2017-11-03T19:08:38 < Laurenceb> interesting bit 2017-11-03T19:10:34 < sync> hm 2017-11-03T19:10:41 < sync> late to the party kinda 2017-11-03T19:17:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T19:28:46 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T19:30:21 < Laurenceb> Youz questioning why I be on BBC Newz 2017-11-03T19:30:29 < Laurenceb> Musta missed when I dropped 50 woke rhymes 2017-11-03T19:30:41 < Laurenceb> That subverted media timelines and gave people back the power 2017-11-03T19:30:49 < Laurenceb> I'm on fire like the Grenfell Tower 2017-11-03T19:35:08 < kakimir> hmm I bought a phone from some UK Sikhi dude 2017-11-03T19:35:16 < kakimir> Sikhis are okay? 2017-11-03T19:36:45 < Laurenceb> they are bro tier 2017-11-03T19:36:48 < Laurenceb> /meme 2017-11-03T19:37:10 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ILvf1wn.jpg 2017-11-03T19:37:24 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqudLBJUMAEZkNc.jpg 2017-11-03T19:37:52 < Laurenceb> wew https://imgur.com/54PK4eX 2017-11-03T19:38:06 < Laurenceb> jk rowling closes the road to have her huge hedge cut 2017-11-03T19:39:14 < Laurenceb> literally wut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdObncC8FUo 2017-11-03T19:39:25 < Cracki> how many bedrooms has she again? 2017-11-03T19:40:42 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T19:40:47 < englishman> cant blame her for wanting to keep the poors out, having been poor herself 2017-11-03T19:40:49 < Laurenceb> over 9000 2017-11-03T19:44:40 < Laurenceb> what if I am actually a dog in a VR headset? 2017-11-03T19:48:10 < Laurenceb> top kek https://twitter.com/mapduliand/status/926387565233655808 2017-11-03T19:59:38 < englishman> for u Laurenceb https://i.imgur.com/tg4MMQV.png 2017-11-03T20:07:54 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/M3diMZK 2017-11-03T20:08:19 < englishman> wat 2017-11-03T20:08:21 < englishman> nooo 2017-11-03T20:08:26 < Laurenceb> its real 2017-11-03T20:09:08 < englishman> https://secure3.lasvegasnevada.gov/ewarrantlookup/wanted_poster.aspx?HistNo=1000379&CaseNo=%27C1180047A%27 2017-11-03T20:09:10 < englishman> omfg 2017-11-03T20:10:08 < englishman> where did you find that 2017-11-03T20:11:56 < Laurenceb> 4chan 2017-11-03T20:21:12 < branjb> who is terrence andrew davis 2017-11-03T20:21:28 < Steffanx> dont ask, dont ask. please. 2017-11-03T20:21:43 < branjb> ##stm32er? 2017-11-03T20:22:02 < Steffanx> Ya. You know temple os right, branjb 2017-11-03T20:22:02 < branjb> wait 2017-11-03T20:22:05 < branjb> is that the temple OS guy? 2017-11-03T20:22:06 < branjb> holy shit 2017-11-03T20:22:19 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@unaffiliated/superbia] by ChanServ 2017-11-03T20:22:19 < Steffanx> :P 2017-11-03T20:22:34 < branjb> people call him autistic or w/e, but his temple OS is pretty fucking impressive 2017-11-03T20:22:35 < branjb> imo 2017-11-03T20:22:40 < englishman> yes 2017-11-03T20:22:52 < englishman> i can name 1 person who programs x86-64 asm 2017-11-03T20:22:56 < Steffanx> he's schizofrenic 2017-11-03T20:23:18 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@unaffiliated/superbia] by ChanServ 2017-11-03T20:23:34 < branjb> is this noise bad for an IMU, scale in radians 2017-11-03T20:23:35 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/6VCT5 2017-11-03T20:24:14 < branjb> ~0.05 degrees in either direction of noise 2017-11-03T20:25:57 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-03T20:28:09 < Lux> seems ok 2017-11-03T20:28:13 < Steffanx> Laurenceb: ^ field of expertise 2017-11-03T20:28:48 < Lux> your ds should give you some noise figures to check 2017-11-03T20:29:25 < branjb> is it under some term other than noise? ds ctrl-f noise = 0 results 2017-11-03T20:30:21 < Lux> in the invensense stuff it's named noise in the datasheet 2017-11-03T20:30:29 < Lux> maybe rms ? 2017-11-03T20:31:13 < Lux> for example for the mpu6000 they specify 0.05°/s-rms 2017-11-03T20:31:20 < branjb> ok 2017-11-03T20:31:33 < branjb> so 0.05* of noise is about norm, if it was a mpu6000 2017-11-03T20:32:11 < Lux> yeah 2017-11-03T20:32:37 < Lux> but in my experience with the gyro drift is more important 2017-11-03T20:33:04 < Lux> like temperature drift etc, that can be pretty significant depending on your application 2017-11-03T20:33:07 < branjb> i'm using a complimentary filter atm, seems to be fairly responsive/smooth 2017-11-03T20:33:23 < branjb> no drift just sitting in place 2017-11-03T20:34:02 < branjb> ah, my imu has an entire app note separate from the ds that talks about noise 2017-11-03T20:53:56 < ds2> which IMU? 2017-11-03T20:54:21 < branjb> lsm9ds1 2017-11-03T20:54:44 < ds2> ooohhh 2017-11-03T21:05:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-03T21:06:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T21:33:16 < branjb> that's kinda cool 2017-11-03T21:34:36 < branjb> I want a turtle rifle 2017-11-03T21:59:17 < englishman> Ultrasauce: pink chinkphone is great 2017-11-03T22:00:47 < Steffanx> + shitload of spyware/crap/whatever 2017-11-03T22:01:14 < englishman> you mean the stuff installed by google? 2017-11-03T22:01:24 < englishman> on literally every device you own even your toaster? 2017-11-03T22:01:59 < Steffanx> no, i mean chinaware shit 2017-11-03T22:03:05 < Steffanx> i mean, you wont be the first one with some nasty sw on it. 2017-11-03T22:04:22 < Steffanx> but maybe xiaomi is too "high end" for that. 2017-11-03T22:05:42 < Steffanx> My old china phone came with some nasty chinaware. 2017-11-03T22:07:28 < englishman> the camera thinks i'm 23 2017-11-03T22:07:31 < englishman> damn millennials 2017-11-03T22:07:49 < Steffanx> 32 is closer right? 2017-11-03T22:08:04 < branjb> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/russian-ads-now-publicly-released-show-sophistication-of-influence-campaign/2017/11/01/d26aead2-bf1b-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html?pushid=59fa10ef4069751d0000003d&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.9fbbfd1113b0 2017-11-03T22:08:45 < Steffanx> the issues is not the russians, but the americans being dumb enough to be influenced by those ads 2017-11-03T22:10:04 * zyp influences Steffanx 2017-11-03T22:10:20 < Steffanx> Does that make me smart or dumb? 2017-11-03T22:10:58 < zyp> who's judging? 2017-11-03T22:11:17 < Steffanx> dont know 2017-11-03T22:11:23 < branjb> i don't see any lies in those ads 2017-11-03T22:12:05 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/nF6Il 2017-11-03T22:12:08 < branjb> seems pretty accurate 2017-11-03T22:14:23 < Steffanx> are you bitcoin rich yet zyp? 2017-11-03T22:22:33 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@ip-37-201-4-205.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T22:43:40 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T22:44:44 < branjb> how do you convert power/ground planes into signal layers in altium? oshpark does not like it that way 2017-11-03T22:44:44 < kakimir> how to hide channels from whois 2017-11-03T22:45:07 < kakimir> like every channel 2017-11-03T22:46:00 < Ultrasauce> sweet englishman, think I'll get one. what vendor did you use 2017-11-03T22:46:17 < englishman> gearbest, only place i could find the pink one in stock 2017-11-03T22:46:21 < Ultrasauce> cool 2017-11-03T22:46:59 < Steffanx> [Whois] kakimir is a user on channels: ##stm32 .. afaik it only shows channels you're both in by default kakimir 2017-11-03T22:47:01 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-03T22:47:11 < Steffanx> both = you and the whoiser 2017-11-03T22:47:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-03T22:48:41 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@ip-37-201-4-205.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-03T22:49:31 < kakimir> sweet 2017-11-03T22:49:53 < kakimir> some mad local kid is msg'ing with me 2017-11-03T22:50:24 < kakimir> trying to figure out my identity 2017-11-03T22:50:39 < kakimir> while keeping his own secret 2017-11-03T22:50:45 < Steffanx> better let him browser ##stm32 logs 2017-11-03T22:51:46 < kakimir> sweet there is some useless bullshit in google 2017-11-03T22:59:45 < Ultrasauce> invite him here so we can doxx you to him 2017-11-03T23:00:43 < kakimir> nope. 2017-11-03T23:00:51 < Ultrasauce> you really are no fun sometimes 2017-11-03T23:05:45 < englishman> looks liek assdroid now has two duplicate os partitions so ota updates don't brick your phone as easily 2017-11-03T23:11:41 < englishman> Ultrasauce: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/development/recovery-twrp-3-1-1-0-touch-recovery-t3688472 2017-11-03T23:11:42 < englishman> this works 2017-11-03T23:19:31 < Steffanx> wut wut http://www.reuters.com/article/us-qualcomm-m-a-broadcom/chipmaker-broadcom-plans-blockbuster-bid-for-qualcomm-sources-idUSKBN1D324K 2017-11-03T23:21:04 < ds2> Hmmmm that sounds like a good thing 2017-11-03T23:21:14 < ds2> pack away the evils into one container 2017-11-03T23:27:59 < Steffanx> Wonder what happens with nxp when this continues. 2017-11-03T23:28:09 < Steffanx> The deal can still be cancelled by the EU i believe. 2017-11-03T23:28:44 < Steffanx> or whatever european commission 2017-11-03T23:29:01 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-03T23:31:38 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T23:40:29 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-03T23:41:51 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-03T23:58:16 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6117:1e95:2f83:5a7d] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sat Nov 04 2017 2017-11-04T00:02:48 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6117:1e95:2f83:5a7d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T00:28:19 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6117:1e95:2f83:5a7d] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T00:47:44 < englishman> Ultrasauce: ha, nevermind, bricked it already 2017-11-04T00:47:55 < englishman> dont install any twrp shit 2017-11-04T00:48:01 < englishman> on this new a/b stuff 2017-11-04T00:49:08 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6117:1e95:2f83:5a7d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T00:52:52 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T01:10:19 < invzim> iddbakks 2017-11-04T01:10:23 < invzim> oddballs 2017-11-04T01:10:29 < invzim> do ceramics smoke? 2017-11-04T01:14:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:5cc1:5046:0:88f1:b608:ace:6b5c] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T01:14:52 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:5cc1:5046:0:88f1:b608:ace:6b5c] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-04T01:28:02 < invzim> hm, cap still works - something went all smokey, but everything still works 2017-11-04T01:33:16 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjnaciNT-wQ music times 2017-11-04T01:53:15 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T01:56:36 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-04T02:05:08 < kakimir> invzim: what are you doin'? 2017-11-04T02:15:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T02:16:08 < invzim> kakimir: load testing a voltage inverter 2017-11-04T02:16:15 < invzim> +5V to -5V 2017-11-04T02:19:41 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T02:19:44 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z89Uv1Gl6Z0 2017-11-04T02:19:51 < stvn> steffan 2017-11-04T02:20:10 < kakimir> invzim: your design or chinese? 2017-11-04T02:20:42 < stvn> good morning kakipro 2017-11-04T02:21:01 < kakimir> kakspro 2017-11-04T02:21:30 < stvn> kakipro 2017-11-04T02:21:36 < stvn> LEDimir 2017-11-04T02:25:38 < kakimir> I'm applying for led jubb 2017-11-04T02:25:52 < kakimir> for realz 2017-11-04T02:26:14 < stvn> cool 2017-11-04T02:26:36 < kakimir> Am I wasting my potential and designs or actually making them real? 2017-11-04T02:28:22 < stvn> eh 2017-11-04T02:29:09 < invzim> kakimir: ti reference 2017-11-04T02:29:51 < invzim> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2662.pdf 2017-11-04T02:36:39 < kakimir> Or maybe all I have done with leds is actually just something to show instead of having proper resume 2017-11-04T02:37:01 < kakimir> like reaching sort of starting point 2017-11-04T02:37:40 < kakimir> I like to think too much of my leds but really maybe I'm lucky if they hire me 2017-11-04T02:38:03 < kakimir> invzim: what parameter did you exceed? 2017-11-04T02:38:29 < kakimir> did you take account for temperature and thermal resistance? 2017-11-04T02:39:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T02:39:41 < invzim> load :) 2017-11-04T02:39:56 < invzim> it's just too eacy when you have nice gear with knobs 2017-11-04T02:40:13 < kakimir> so did you go over 125%? 2017-11-04T02:40:16 < invzim> it's rated for 200ma, think it went up yo 600ma or so 2017-11-04T02:40:23 < kakimir> 150%.. okay 2017-11-04T02:40:43 < kakimir> you broke something 2017-11-04T02:40:49 < invzim> yeah, it smoked 2017-11-04T02:40:57 < invzim> but everything still works fine 2017-11-04T02:41:01 < invzim> well, something smoked 2017-11-04T02:41:09 < kakimir> you can't count on it anymore 2017-11-04T02:41:23 < kakimir> it's probs out of spec 2017-11-04T02:41:33 < invzim> it's only purpose was to check the part and circuit 2017-11-04T02:42:07 < invzim> ideally I would like 500ma for cheap 2017-11-04T02:42:16 < kakimir> no 2017-11-04T02:42:30 < kakimir> there is clearly thermal issue at that current already 2017-11-04T02:42:47 < invzim> nono, not with that IC in that configuration 2017-11-04T02:42:55 < kakimir> oh 2017-11-04T02:43:00 < kakimir> then go ahead 2017-11-04T02:43:13 < stvn> where is englishbot 2017-11-04T02:43:18 < stvn> i mean englishman 2017-11-04T02:43:47 < kakimir> invzim: have you seen any cheap ones with higher switching? 2017-11-04T02:43:57 < kakimir> *frequency 2017-11-04T02:44:31 < kakimir> that is like legacy chip but there is new model series of everything 2017-11-04T02:44:44 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2017-11-04T02:44:50 < kakimir> because of low currect device markets 2017-11-04T02:45:11 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T02:45:18 < kakimir> usually those chips are not even that much more expensive 2017-11-04T02:45:25 < invzim> not really 2017-11-04T02:45:51 < invzim> I'm not very good at power stuff, so this one was an easy out 2017-11-04T02:46:12 < invzim> I don't want to mess with inductors and whatnot if I can avoid it 2017-11-04T02:46:27 < stvn> WHAT. 2017-11-04T02:46:32 < kakimir> there is always an example circuit you can not go wrong with 2017-11-04T02:46:33 < upgrdman> oh wow, that win10 update from a week ago added more than just gpu% to the task manager. theres now an entire sub-tab in the performance tab with charts etc. 2017-11-04T02:47:19 < stvn> awesome 2017-11-04T02:47:27 < stvn> win10 for life man 2017-11-04T02:47:29 < kakimir> there is gpu in there? 2017-11-04T02:47:32 < kakimir> waas 2017-11-04T02:47:35 < upgrdman> kakimir, yes 2017-11-04T02:47:45 < kakimir> I use something like XTU to show GPU 2017-11-04T02:47:54 < upgrdman> like this: https://youtu.be/kTaMgh-vQEo?t=313 2017-11-04T02:47:58 < upgrdman> xtu? 2017-11-04T02:47:59 < kakimir> intel extream tuning utility* 2017-11-04T02:48:14 < stvn> lol 2017-11-04T02:48:25 < stvn> extreme pumping util 2017-11-04T02:48:47 < stvn> just wait a cotton picking minute 2017-11-04T02:48:48 < kakimir> there is no GPU in task manager 2017-11-04T02:48:51 < stvn> where is the gpu 2017-11-04T02:48:55 < stvn> i cant see it 2017-11-04T02:48:58 < upgrdman> kakimir, look at video 2017-11-04T02:49:06 < upgrdman> its in the new version of win10, did you update? 2017-11-04T02:49:18 < upgrdman> the version from a week or two ago. win10 pumpers edition. 2017-11-04T02:49:32 < stvn> yeah 2017-11-04T02:49:33 < stvn> umm 2017-11-04T02:49:37 < stvn> ill czech for updates 2017-11-04T02:49:43 < kakimir> upgrdman: what build you use? 2017-11-04T02:49:51 < kakimir> sorry is it edition of what 2017-11-04T02:50:01 < kakimir> are you beta tester? 2017-11-04T02:50:32 < kakimir> there is like multiple lines of different builds with their own update schedules 2017-11-04T02:50:39 < stvn> i'm a licensed software nigger 2017-11-04T02:52:05 < stvn> why don't i get pumping utilities 2017-11-04T02:53:36 < upgrdman> kakimir, https://imgur.com/a/kk2R6 2017-11-04T02:53:56 < upgrdman> im not a beta tester. it was a forced update. 2017-11-04T02:54:31 < kakimir> I have 1703 2017-11-04T02:54:42 < kakimir> better run windows upgrade tool 2017-11-04T02:55:04 < stvn> 1703 for me too 2017-11-04T02:55:15 < stvn> win10proz 2017-11-04T02:55:36 < upgrdman> maybe you god damn foreigners are treated like the lower class of people that you are 2017-11-04T02:55:59 < upgrdman> even dongs got the update a week ago. usa <3 japs 2017-11-04T02:56:00 < branjb> lol 2017-11-04T02:56:19 < stvn> hitachi 2017-11-04T02:56:40 < stvn> australians are too drunk for the windows 10 update 2017-11-04T02:57:33 < kakimir> why the fuck doesn't windows 10 have single build 2017-11-04T02:57:59 < kakimir> but these builds ranging from 4years back to this fall 2017-11-04T02:58:18 < kakimir> it has something to do with all the compatibility issues 2017-11-04T02:58:48 < kakimir> so they don't fuck up some business, industrial whatever environment 2017-11-04T02:59:52 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/coreyspowell/status/792086787153858560 2017-11-04T03:00:28 < kakimir> anyways Windows10Upgrade9252.exe is running now 2017-11-04T03:00:45 < kakimir> doing it's shit 2017-11-04T03:01:20 < stvn> thanks for one 2017-11-04T03:05:36 < kakimir> upgrdman: so do you have some new computer? 2017-11-04T03:05:49 < kakimir> or do you upgrade builds yourself? 2017-11-04T03:07:35 < upgrdman> well i built this box ~1yr ago. 2017-11-04T03:07:51 < upgrdman> and win10 forces updates, so i dont have much choice. 2017-11-04T03:08:27 < kakimir> it doesn't force builds right away 2017-11-04T03:08:31 < upgrdman> well, i shoulld prolly switch to the "business" branch and hope for better quality 2017-11-04T03:08:41 < kakimir> but like in half year time 2017-11-04T03:08:45 < upgrdman> not for me 2017-11-04T03:08:57 < upgrdman> maybe eurofags get delayed updates 2017-11-04T03:09:08 < kakimir> maybe pro is about forcing build upgrades 2017-11-04T03:09:35 < kakimir> while home edition is like.. they are already mad at you 2017-11-04T03:09:39 < upgrdman> kakimir, what version you have 2017-11-04T03:09:43 < upgrdman> homo edition? 2017-11-04T03:09:56 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-04T03:10:13 < kakimir> is there any benefits for no homo edition? 2017-11-04T03:10:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T03:11:02 < upgrdman> i dunno. when i was a studnet i get a free license for win10pro, and i've kept used it since then 2017-11-04T03:11:16 < upgrdman> free legal license, to be clear. 2017-11-04T03:11:24 < upgrdman> msft dickspark 2017-11-04T03:12:06 < branjb> is there a way to make control loops more responsive without bumping kp super high? low kp = sluggish response, high kp = fast response but way too much overshoot 2017-11-04T03:12:24 < branjb> faster loop time? 2017-11-04T03:12:24 < upgrdman> yes. add the i and d 2017-11-04T03:12:35 < branjb> i and d just make it go crazier 2017-11-04T03:13:07 < upgrdman> not for me :) adding i and d allow you to also raise p without it oscillating so much 2017-11-04T03:13:09 < kakimir> you should use D for that 2017-11-04T03:13:11 < branjb> i should be able to get it to balance with just kp, right? 2017-11-04T03:13:19 < kakimir> no 2017-11-04T03:13:21 < upgrdman> not very well, but kinda 2017-11-04T03:13:23 < branjb> oh 2017-11-04T03:13:40 < branjb> well 2017-11-04T03:13:43 < branjb> interesting 2017-11-04T03:13:56 < kakimir> D is like responsivenes for fast changes 2017-11-04T03:14:13 < kakimir> or actually just change 2017-11-04T03:14:24 < upgrdman> i find it easier to think of D as "predicting the future" 2017-11-04T03:14:33 < upgrdman> and it does a pretty fucking good job of it 2017-11-04T03:14:38 < branjb> is there some kind of rule of thumb for how they should be in proportion to each other? I think I learned that kd shouldn't be higher than kp, but I get better results when kd = 2*kd 2017-11-04T03:14:58 < kakimir> P is just propotional to amplitude of input 2017-11-04T03:15:35 < upgrdman> i just guess-and-checked, starting for 0 and marching the fuck up 2017-11-04T03:15:55 < branjb> starting with p, then i? 2017-11-04T03:15:57 < kakimir> there is guides for PID tuning 2017-11-04T03:16:02 < upgrdman> ya 2017-11-04T03:16:27 < upgrdman> but i only helped a little for me. it's the d that was magical. 2017-11-04T03:16:33 < kakimir> I is like if there is longer error to output it starts to build up to overcome that error 2017-11-04T03:16:47 < branjb> i've also seen weird shit with people doing stepper motor balancers where they have motor_output += pidLoop(); 2017-11-04T03:16:50 < kakimir> with I you go easily over the board 2017-11-04T03:16:57 < branjb> is that += just them being weird with ki? 2017-11-04T03:18:35 < kakimir> for I in some applications you may need to implement wind up for I if it builds up really long it takes too much time to come down 2017-11-04T03:18:51 < branjb> that's just something like 2017-11-04T03:18:54 < branjb> if (iTerm_Angle > 200) iTerm_Angle = 200; 2017-11-04T03:18:54 < branjb> if (iTerm_Angle < -200) iTerm_Angle = -200; 2017-11-04T03:18:55 < branjb> right? 2017-11-04T03:20:36 < upgrdman> ya 2017-11-04T03:21:52 < branjb> i also wonder if using 1/32 microstepping is making it worse 2017-11-04T03:22:06 < branjb> because I have gains around ~50,000 2017-11-04T03:22:40 < upgrdman> iirc microstepping that small is bad for torque 2017-11-04T03:23:00 < upgrdman> iirc past 1/2 or 1/4 the only benefit is noise reduction 2017-11-04T03:23:19 < upgrdman> but im not super pro at that stuff 2017-11-04T03:23:33 < branjb> my motors aren't stalling/skipping steps, is there more to torque than that? 2017-11-04T03:23:44 < branjb> heh I was considering just modding servos like you did 2017-11-04T03:23:51 < branjb> but the servos you used were like $80 servos 2017-11-04T03:23:57 < upgrdman> well iirc when microstepping the motors cant really hold those in between positions very well. 2017-11-04T03:24:04 < branjb> hmm 2017-11-04T03:24:10 < branjb> maybe i'll try 1/4 stepping later 2017-11-04T03:24:15 < upgrdman> so if you're trying to stop at a microstep, it might stuggle to maintain that position 2017-11-04T03:24:20 < kakimir> without feedback at least microstepping doesn't really provide any accuracy 2017-11-04T03:24:33 < branjb> the 1/32 stepping is definitely a lot smoother than when i was testing 1/2 or 1/4 2017-11-04T03:24:49 < branjb> and it makes a cooler sound 2017-11-04T03:24:55 < branjb> that's actually the main reason i was using it 2017-11-04T03:25:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-40.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T03:25:32 < branjb> i'll try retuning again with 1/4 microstepping 2017-11-04T03:26:19 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-04T03:26:34 < stvn> Laurenceb_ good morning 2017-11-04T03:26:42 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls 2017-11-04T03:26:53 < stvn> just pumping furiously as usual 2017-11-04T03:27:34 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T03:27:45 < branjb> I rebuilt my robot though to make it more top heavy 2017-11-04T03:27:45 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/6VEDe 2017-11-04T03:27:59 < kakimir> branjb: what are you doing? 2017-11-04T03:28:12 < kakimir> stepmotor feedback loop? 2017-11-04T03:28:22 < branjb> trying to make a balancing robot with steppers 2017-11-04T03:29:11 < branjb> only feedback is from IMU 2017-11-04T03:29:29 < branjb> ultimate goal is to do a cascaded pid loop where I can set motor speed, it calculates tilt, and self balances 2017-11-04T03:32:15 < branjb> if a stepper motor is not stalling or skipping steps, is there any difference between a dc motor and encoder where i am controlling speed vs a stepper motor where i am controlling position (thus speed)? 2017-11-04T03:32:35 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/ylxu3b1bzsvz.jpg 2017-11-04T03:32:42 < kakimir> branjb: not too much 2017-11-04T03:33:20 < branjb> ok, so switching to a dc motor with encoder doesn't do anything for me that a stepper motor isn't already 2017-11-04T03:33:34 < branjb> that's a very reddit business card 2017-11-04T03:33:48 < stvn> an autistic card 2017-11-04T03:33:50 < kakimir> if you have decent supply voltage for the steppers there is no problems 2017-11-04T03:34:04 < kakimir> but your control architecture sounds like it would have some pitfall in it 2017-11-04T03:34:18 < kakimir> you shouldn't probs offset your motor speed actually 2017-11-04T03:34:27 < kakimir> but let PID completelly control it 2017-11-04T03:34:54 < branjb> I basically copied the algorithm that this guy was using: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=218&v=nT1FqvNbThU 2017-11-04T03:35:18 < branjb> only difference is his was really small, and mine is larger. struggling to find gains that work though 2017-11-04T03:36:17 < branjb> I think tomorrow I'll start with switching to 1/4 stepping and retuning gains from there 2017-11-04T03:36:27 < kakimir> you should ask upgrdman 2017-11-04T03:36:36 < kakimir> about his architecture 2017-11-04T03:36:38 < branjb> I've asked him a million questions 2017-11-04T03:36:46 < kakimir> look at his codez too 2017-11-04T03:36:48 < branjb> and read his code at least a dozen times 2017-11-04T03:36:49 < branjb> haha 2017-11-04T03:36:57 < kakimir> so it does motor offsetting? 2017-11-04T03:37:04 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/CrSwWDg.gifv 2017-11-04T03:37:08 < stvn> 300 MILLION GUNS, PROZAC, AND A SHIT LOAD OF FAT 2017-11-04T03:37:12 < branjb> it's got to be my gains because I'm implementing my control almost identical to him 2017-11-04T03:37:12 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T03:37:36 < kakimir> almost? 2017-11-04T03:38:01 < branjb> well, he's using the interrupt pin on his IMU to trigger his loop, I'm just using a timer 2017-11-04T03:38:17 < kakimir> I would use 2 pidloops 2017-11-04T03:38:39 < kakimir> one that does balancing to desired angle 2017-11-04T03:38:41 < branjb> that's the plan, but before I add the second PID loop I need to make sure the inner (balancing) is tuned, right? 2017-11-04T03:38:59 < kakimir> another one that offsets that angle by inputs and speed 2017-11-04T03:39:06 < branjb> if I can't track and hold an angle does changing that angle really do anything? 2017-11-04T03:39:32 < kakimir> you can not? hmm 2017-11-04T03:39:41 < kakimir> better go simple then 2017-11-04T03:40:04 < branjb> I can get pretty close while supporting the robot, but it can't quite balance on its own 2017-11-04T03:40:12 < branjb> and the "balancing" it does is very violent 2017-11-04T03:40:32 < kakimir> where is your mems? 2017-11-04T03:40:40 < branjb> idk, I have more stuff to experiment with tomorrow 2017-11-04T03:40:41 < kakimir> on top? 2017-11-04T03:40:57 < branjb> if you look at https://imgur.com/a/6VEDe, it's the thing on the bar directly above the motors 2017-11-04T03:41:14 < kakimir> should it be there? 2017-11-04T03:41:19 < kakimir> or higher? 2017-11-04T03:41:23 < branjb> not sure 2017-11-04T03:41:33 < branjb> from what I observed on other bots, they put it close to the motor 2017-11-04T03:41:34 < kakimir> I would say higher 2017-11-04T03:41:48 < branjb> but yeah I would say the angular velocity of the gyro would be more accurate higher up 2017-11-04T03:41:48 < kakimir> what mems you use? 2017-11-04T03:41:55 < branjb> lsm9ds1 2017-11-04T03:42:46 < kakimir> you have 9 degrees of freedom 2017-11-04T03:42:52 < kakimir> lot to play with 2017-11-04T03:42:57 < branjb> haha 2017-11-04T03:43:03 < branjb> only using pitch 2017-11-04T03:43:35 < kakimir> also stepper noise can go thru that frame 2017-11-04T03:43:38 < kakimir> to mems 2017-11-04T03:43:39 < branjb> i've tried using madgwicks and a simple complimentary filter, both give similar pitch data 2017-11-04T03:43:43 < branjb> hmmm 2017-11-04T03:43:45 < kakimir> mems doesn't like noise 2017-11-04T03:44:01 < branjb> i was kind of wondering if that would be an issue 2017-11-04T03:44:06 < kakimir> place it on rubber pads 2017-11-04T03:44:30 < branjb> not a terrible idea 2017-11-04T03:44:35 < branjb> another thing to try tomorrow 2017-11-04T03:45:02 < kakimir> actually add some mass to mems module then suspend it on thin rubber feets 2017-11-04T03:46:47 < kakimir> you should look at mems data for noise or noise jamming 2017-11-04T03:46:48 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:91f1:741:975a:2ebb] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T03:48:31 < branjb> tomorrow i'll try going from 1/32 to 1/4 microstepping, and isolating the imu a bit 2017-11-04T03:49:38 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-31-109.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2017-11-04T03:50:11 < Laurenceb_> imu isolation isnt fun 2017-11-04T03:50:31 < branjb> i always used hot glue on my quadcopters 2017-11-04T03:51:00 < stvn> bump stocks. https://i.imgur.com/Ibg3Uzo.jpg he didn't need one. GET PRO LIKE ANDERS BRO 2017-11-04T03:56:18 < Laurenceb_> >black power salute 2017-11-04T03:57:02 < kakimir> usually there is rubber feet for quad controllers 2017-11-04T03:58:46 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/mrtf2w1cftvz.png 2017-11-04T03:59:08 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-31-109.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T03:59:11 < Laurenceb_> muh new copypasta 2017-11-04T03:59:32 < Laurenceb_> ST gyro noise is weird 2017-11-04T03:59:41 < Laurenceb_> I guess <200hz meets datasheet spec 2017-11-04T04:01:17 < jadew> lol upgrdman 2017-11-04T04:03:07 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-04T04:04:10 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-04T04:05:22 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T04:09:51 < kakimir> you should filter the noise Laurenceb_ ? 2017-11-04T04:09:55 < kakimir> I mean static noise 2017-11-04T04:10:26 < kakimir> also some irrelevant noise that is in non critical spectre for application 2017-11-04T04:13:35 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T04:18:30 < kakimir> in case of balancing robot just simple averaging trick would do 2017-11-04T04:18:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-40.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-04T04:25:19 < ColdKeyboard> Can anyone recommend a working library for controling MCP4661 digital potentiometer? 2017-11-04T04:27:16 < kakimir> that looks like out of arduino module spectre 2017-11-04T04:27:23 < kakimir> probs no codez 2017-11-04T04:27:56 < kakimir> it's 2 wipers.. how hard it can be? 2017-11-04T04:28:08 < kakimir> just some writes to it? 2017-11-04T04:35:53 < ColdKeyboard> Well datasheet is confusing as hell 2017-11-04T04:45:53 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:91f1:741:975a:2ebb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-04T04:54:50 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-04T04:55:27 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-04T04:59:46 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-04T05:00:38 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T05:11:29 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-04T06:08:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T06:27:46 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-04T06:30:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T07:00:49 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:489:6351:9250:9dc] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T07:05:44 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-04T07:05:46 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:489:6351:9250:9dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-04T07:07:16 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T07:07:32 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-04T07:09:37 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T07:26:57 < Cracki> that's a long data sheet 2017-11-04T07:27:07 < Cracki> section 7.0 contains the device commands 2017-11-04T07:31:39 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T07:31:46 < Cracki> figures 7-2 and following show the i2c bits on the line 2017-11-04T07:34:48 < Cracki> looks doable. 2017-11-04T07:34:57 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-04T07:35:04 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-04T07:36:31 < Cracki> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/22107B.pdf 2017-11-04T07:41:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-04T07:42:27 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T08:41:55 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-04T08:46:30 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T09:04:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-04T09:44:32 < Steffanx> Crt try to behave a bit sir 2017-11-04T09:47:35 < Steffanx> Hah. Im not really awake yet 2017-11-04T09:50:47 -!- blacktronics [uid142493@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zsbheguivxffcbpo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2017-11-04T10:05:34 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T10:11:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-04T10:15:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T10:18:20 < jsoft> Anyone here familiar with the u8g2 oled library, and HW i2c? I am having problems getting it working. Seems to be talking i2c, but nothing on the display. 2017-11-04T10:21:16 < jpa-> maybe wrong display type? 2017-11-04T10:21:37 < jpa-> it has worked for me but took a few tries to find the correct display type for the cheap ebay oleds 2017-11-04T10:21:40 < jsoft> Yeah possibly. 2017-11-04T10:22:00 < jsoft> The previous version of the lib I am using worked with SSD1306. 2017-11-04T10:22:14 < jsoft> I cannot find any model numbers on the display it's self 2017-11-04T10:25:38 < jsoft> jpa-, do you recall if it was i2c, and if you used hw i2c ? 2017-11-04T10:27:33 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ebike-controller/blob/master/src/ui_task.c yeah, hw i2c; though it was u8g version 1 2017-11-04T10:30:17 < jsoft> Ahh right. 2017-11-04T10:30:24 < ohsix> buns 2017-11-04T10:31:06 < ohsix> hurr u8g, i need to get back to the 7219 thing i was doing :[ 2017-11-04T10:46:46 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-04T10:47:14 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T10:49:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T10:57:07 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-04T10:57:14 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T10:57:50 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T10:59:08 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2017-11-04T10:59:42 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T11:00:15 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-04T11:00:41 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T11:13:51 < jsoft> Garrrrgh. 2017-11-04T11:14:16 < jsoft> Time to deploy the logic probe. 2017-11-04T11:34:17 -!- ski4x7 [~quassel@ip5f58f483.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T11:34:35 -!- ski4x7 [~quassel@ip5f58f483.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-04T11:36:31 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@95.88.244.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-04T11:39:59 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@95.88.244.131] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T12:18:07 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.16.231] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T12:20:05 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T12:28:03 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.16.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-04T12:46:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T12:47:24 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T13:32:06 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:ddbe:40eb:a27f:8d06] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T13:43:55 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-04T13:44:11 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T14:15:56 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has quit [Quit: upgraaaaaaa] 2017-11-04T14:16:23 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T14:56:35 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T15:49:08 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-170-228.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T15:51:40 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-04T15:53:56 < kakimir> does it really remove all the malware from android phone to just factory reset it? I think I have actually manipulated the rom itself myself too so I'm not buying 2017-11-04T15:54:33 < kakimir> these guides just say, remove suspisious software, clear cache, factory reset 2017-11-04T15:55:38 < kakimir> https://www.addictivetips.com/android/rootcloak-plus-cydia-prevent-apps-from-detecting-root-on-android/ sweet there is root cloak 2017-11-04T15:57:13 < kakimir> once you root the phone to place malware in it.. why not go all the way and compromise rom too? 2017-11-04T15:57:59 < sync> yes, if you are a pro malware you can even rest in the baseband 2017-11-04T15:58:04 < sync> so basically you are fukt anyway 2017-11-04T15:58:32 < kakimir> I would not assume that 2017-11-04T15:58:47 < kakimir> or sure but there is nothing anyone could do 2017-11-04T15:59:00 < kakimir> even all my devices my have been compromised 2017-11-04T15:59:12 < kakimir> that is given how the basebands work 2017-11-04T15:59:35 < kakimir> malicious cell tower even can hack into phone 2017-11-04T16:00:35 < kakimir> there is not so many phone malware pros 2017-11-04T16:01:09 < kakimir> but probs a lot that want to use some plug and play solutions 2017-11-04T16:03:44 < Tectu> the fuck is iphone x? is that iphone 9? 2017-11-04T16:05:10 < Steffanx> 10 2017-11-04T16:05:49 < kakimir> selling points: highest price ever seen 2017-11-04T16:08:52 < kakimir> that is oldtech 2017-11-04T16:10:09 * Steffanx imagines superbia taking his x220 out of his pocket to call his mom 2017-11-04T16:10:45 < kakimir> is it a phone too? 2017-11-04T16:12:04 < englishman> Tectu: yes they cloned this idea from windows 10 2017-11-04T16:13:14 < Steffanx> troll alert. 2017-11-04T16:13:55 < Steffanx> i mean, hi englishman 2017-11-04T16:14:24 < englishman> good morning, dutchman 2017-11-04T16:14:36 < Steffanx> How is the day so far? 2017-11-04T16:15:00 < englishman> filled with sunshine and kittens 2017-11-04T16:15:03 < englishman> how about yourself? 2017-11-04T16:15:04 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-40.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T16:15:14 < Steffanx> Sunshine, not kittens. 2017-11-04T16:17:18 < Laurenceb_> sup 2017-11-04T16:17:28 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8WKc5h_7Es 2017-11-04T16:17:35 < Laurenceb_> 45minutes, how much money O_o 2017-11-04T16:19:06 < kakimir> is there any reason to root modern android phone? 2017-11-04T16:19:12 < kakimir> android 6.0 2017-11-04T16:19:24 < englishman> hosts file ad blocking 2017-11-04T16:19:32 < kakimir> nice 2017-11-04T16:19:37 < kakimir> let's do this 2017-11-04T16:19:44 < englishman> what phone 2017-11-04T16:19:56 < kakimir> moto g gen2 2017-11-04T16:20:04 < kakimir> 2014 2017-11-04T16:20:14 < englishman> should be well supported 2017-11-04T16:20:34 * Laurenceb_ looks at his 2002 nokia 2017-11-04T16:20:39 < englishman> twrp + supersu 2017-11-04T16:20:47 < kakimir> superbia: yeas it feels crappier and looks crappier than moto g gen1 2017-11-04T16:20:54 < kakimir> even display is shittier 2017-11-04T16:21:05 < kakimir> back lid is just junk compared to gen1 2017-11-04T16:21:13 < kakimir> camera - not that much better 2017-11-04T16:21:24 < kakimir> gen1 has worst amera 2017-11-04T16:21:54 < Laurenceb_> > "Doctor" 2017-11-04T16:21:58 < Laurenceb_> > is a dentist 2017-11-04T16:22:15 < kakimir> englishman: can I install system updates normally after rooting? 2017-11-04T16:22:25 < kakimir> or does it start all the whine? 2017-11-04T16:23:04 < Steffanx> > "Doctor" 2017-11-04T16:23:10 < Steffanx> > is a full time troll 2017-11-04T16:23:18 < englishman> Dono, sometimes they make you flash back to stock recovery, but this is likely not a problem as I doubt anyone is updating for your phone besides dumb lineageos 2017-11-04T16:23:22 < Steffanx> sounds familiar 2017-11-04T16:23:24 < Laurenceb_> accurate 2017-11-04T16:23:57 < Steffanx> Question is.. do you browse the web much on your phone kakimir 2017-11-04T16:24:06 < Laurenceb_> protip: never talk to ur dentist about important stuff 2017-11-04T16:24:11 < Laurenceb_> or that video is the result 2017-11-04T16:25:02 < kakimir> Steffanx: yes 2017-11-04T16:25:17 < Tectu> englishman, did anybody sue them yet? 2017-11-04T16:25:39 < Laurenceb_> so they are paying themselves ~UKP70k/year 2017-11-04T16:25:44 < Laurenceb_> how does that even work 2017-11-04T16:25:55 < englishman> Laurenceb_ did you even watch the video 2017-11-04T16:26:03 < englishman> where's the roccoon stuff 2017-11-04T16:26:18 < Laurenceb_> superbia: they are both dentists 2017-11-04T16:26:26 < Laurenceb_> englishman: yeah they have no new ideas 2017-11-04T16:26:33 < Laurenceb_> das secret 2017-11-04T16:26:38 < englishman> there was some protein pack 2017-11-04T16:27:02 < Steffanx> around 45 min.. Laurenceb_ has to learn how to share links WITH time 2017-11-04T16:27:08 < Laurenceb_> >200k/year, how is that even possible 2017-11-04T16:27:20 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-04T16:27:36 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T16:28:53 < sync> Laurenceb_: what is your point? 2017-11-04T16:29:00 < sync> are you arguing that 70k is a lot? 2017-11-04T16:29:19 < englishman> Lol Laurenceb_ is that really what they want to do with the company 2017-11-04T16:29:39 < Laurenceb_> sync: for launching balloons it is 2017-11-04T16:30:05 < Laurenceb_> they grabbed ideas from #highaltitude, the guys there run some web stores with <5k turnover 2017-11-04T16:30:09 < sync> nah, how else are you gonna finance your second GT4? 2017-11-04T16:30:37 < kakimir> okay I need to use tool called FlashFire to flash OTA updates 2017-11-04T16:30:47 < Laurenceb_> englishman: I'm pretty sure their idea isnt legal, especially if it leaves uk airspace 2017-11-04T16:31:31 < Laurenceb_> you can't just bomb Belgium with someones ashes 2017-11-04T16:32:39 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-04T16:33:01 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T16:38:41 < Laurenceb_> lul 52minutes 2017-11-04T16:39:24 < Laurenceb_> how do I maths 2017-11-04T16:40:43 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/MavJy <- Laurenceb_ 2017-11-04T16:41:31 < Laurenceb_> lul ok 2017-11-04T16:41:34 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_, i wouldnt be able to do the math either. Because fucking nervous. 2017-11-04T16:44:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T16:46:57 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-04T16:48:45 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T17:40:35 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:ddbe:40eb:a27f:8d06] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-04T17:43:51 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:7956:49ac:4370:d9ab] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T17:47:31 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T17:48:20 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-04T17:48:20 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2017-11-04T17:50:14 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-04T17:58:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-04T18:07:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T18:18:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-40.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-04T18:38:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-04T18:40:54 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T19:27:52 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-04T19:29:13 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:39bf:6d2d:fa0d:de97] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T19:29:24 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T19:29:46 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:39bf:6d2d:fa0d:de97] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-04T19:36:06 < kakimir> mah god 2017-11-04T19:36:20 < kakimir> softbricked my shit 2017-11-04T19:36:45 < kakimir> should have done supersu install in read only 2017-11-04T19:40:01 < Steffanx> haha, you went down together with englishman in the "root your phone"-boat. 2017-11-04T19:42:14 < englishman> wat 2017-11-04T19:43:34 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce: ha, nevermind, bricked it already 2017-11-04T19:43:43 < englishman> yeah but 2017-11-04T19:43:46 < englishman> i did it wrong 2017-11-04T19:43:55 < Steffanx> obviously :P 2017-11-04T19:43:57 < englishman> and its a new phone not fully haxed by opensores idiots yet 2017-11-04T19:44:05 < englishman> a 3 year oldphone should be e z 2017-11-04T19:44:06 < englishman> rite 2017-11-04T19:44:09 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/cszj7a7ojxvz.jpg 2017-11-04T19:44:17 < englishman> not clicking 2017-11-04T19:44:40 < Steffanx> When upgrdman posts something you know it involves dongs 2017-11-04T19:45:17 < upgrdman> superbia, htf is that nsfw 2017-11-04T19:45:19 < Steffanx> amirite upgrdman? 2017-11-04T19:45:38 < upgrdman> not really 2017-11-04T19:46:25 -!- enh [~enhering@179.177.49.159.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T19:46:37 < Steffanx> How was your day so far superbia? 2017-11-04T19:46:56 < kakimir> oh fuck me I used wrong twrp 2017-11-04T19:47:13 < Steffanx> Are you using Laurenceb mems-audio device superbia? 2017-11-04T19:47:46 < kakimir> I wondered since when my phone was titan instead of thea 2017-11-04T19:48:10 < englishman> this new phone takes amazing pix 2017-11-04T19:49:02 < upgrdman> snake giving birth looks weird https://i.imgur.com/UcnK43Q.gifv 2017-11-04T19:49:19 < branjb> I thought snakes laid eggs? 2017-11-04T19:50:35 < Steffanx> Some even have "real" eggs but still give birth to them like that branjb 2017-11-04T19:51:15 < branjb> wow 2017-11-04T19:51:22 < branjb> some snakes lay eggs 2017-11-04T19:51:25 < branjb> some keep them internal 2017-11-04T20:00:35 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-04T20:01:02 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T20:31:08 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@imcool.fyi] has left ##stm32 ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] 2017-11-04T20:31:39 < upgrdman> that moment when you go to clean your shower fan/light thinggy, and are greatful that your home has not burnt to the ground http://www.farrellf.com/temp/shower_fan.jpg 2017-11-04T20:34:06 < aandrew> wow 2017-11-04T20:53:28 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T20:56:56 < Steffanx> lolol 2017-11-04T20:57:51 < kakimir> "Patching system image unconditionally..." 2017-11-04T20:57:51 < Steffanx> What did you do with your kitchen floor upgrdman or is that just bare concrete? 2017-11-04T20:57:56 < kakimir> this is going to get better 2017-11-04T20:58:07 < upgrdman> Steffanx, tile. one sec 2017-11-04T20:58:07 < kakimir> zip verifications kept failing 2017-11-04T20:59:05 < kakimir> luckily my mother has the same phone I assume 2017-11-04T20:59:17 < kakimir> so I can read rom from it as last resort 2017-11-04T20:59:26 < Steffanx> or buy a new one 2017-11-04T20:59:29 < kakimir> confirmed no bullshit rom 2017-11-04T21:00:50 < upgrdman> Steffanx, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/kitchen.jpg 2017-11-04T21:01:01 < Steffanx> aaah :P 2017-11-04T21:01:55 < kakimir> lineageos booting 2017-11-04T21:02:19 < kakimir> adb sideload saved my ass 2017-11-04T21:02:36 < kakimir> advanced feature in backup tool 2017-11-04T21:09:27 < kakimir> I wonder if it bricks again when I try to install supersu 2017-11-04T21:15:27 < kakimir> here goes nothing 2017-11-04T21:20:21 < Steffanx> Its still only saturday, so enough time to fix it this weekend 2017-11-04T21:21:54 < kakimir> there is a lot more to fix and do 2017-11-04T21:22:55 < Steffanx> Just call in sick monday 2017-11-04T21:23:57 < kakimir> I'm unemployed for now 2017-11-04T21:24:06 < kakimir> I need to fix all my shit now 2017-11-04T21:24:33 < kakimir> car etc. 2017-11-04T21:24:49 < kakimir> write apply for jubb soon 2017-11-04T21:31:30 < kakimir> it boots but it went to shit 2017-11-04T21:32:38 < kakimir> it's lagging 2017-11-04T21:32:59 < upgrdman> youre in fi right? do they have unemployment handouts or are you on your own 2017-11-04T21:33:04 < upgrdman> "dont freeze. lol." 2017-11-04T21:33:14 < kakimir> handouts 2017-11-04T21:33:26 < upgrdman> nice 2017-11-04T21:35:22 < kakimir> with conditions of course 2017-11-04T21:35:33 < kakimir> I rather get a jubb 2017-11-04T21:35:44 < upgrdman> just curious, what kind of conditions 2017-11-04T21:35:56 < upgrdman> do they drug test you? trump would <3 that. 2017-11-04T21:36:30 < Steffanx> oh, im sorry to hear that kakimir. 2017-11-04T21:36:41 < jpa-> finland has like 117 different social support systems 2017-11-04T21:37:00 < Steffanx> Better get back to back to school and move out of that middle of nowhere place you live now kakimir :P 2017-11-04T21:37:21 < Steffanx> stalked you on google streetview and daaaamn that place was remote 2017-11-04T21:37:30 < upgrdman> lol 2017-11-04T21:39:12 < jpa-> at the very least, one gets enough money for rent and food, with the only condition being that you have no money yourself... which in turn means that those people keep all their money hidden as cash 2017-11-04T21:39:47 < upgrdman> so if youre responsible and save up a big nest egg, you get no help until youre savings are gone? 2017-11-04T21:39:53 < upgrdman> your* 2017-11-04T21:40:13 < jpa-> you get the normal unemployment benefits with their conditions (mostly that you'll have to seek and accept employment) 2017-11-04T21:42:00 < Steffanx> accept employment <= as in .. any employment right? 2017-11-04T21:42:05 < Steffanx> even when totally over qualified 2017-11-04T21:42:08 < branjb> so one of the main incentives for being financially stable in finland is helping people who are not financialy stable? 2017-11-04T21:42:42 < jpa-> Steffanx: kind of yeah, though of course it is pretty easy to make it clear that you don't want the job and most employers will not take you against your will :P 2017-11-04T21:43:40 < jpa-> branjb: nah, more like to gain independence.. the support crap is actually pretty hard to get off of and it's low enough that it limits life choices quite a bi 2017-11-04T21:43:41 < jpa-> t 2017-11-04T21:46:22 < jpa-> unemployment benefits: first 500 days you get 68% of previous salary, or if no previous job, 705 EUR/month; and after 500 days you get 490 EUR/month + rent (they'll have you move to the cheapest place you can find, of course) 2017-11-04T21:46:40 < upgrdman> 500 days WTF 2017-11-04T21:47:52 < Steffanx> i believe its evne 2 years in this country, but partially because i currently pay some insurance stuff for it 2017-11-04T21:48:08 < jpa-> now just recently there is a big outcry among the unemployed population in finland, because they require you to click some button online every now and then to keep the money flowing 2017-11-04T21:49:26 < Steffanx> why an outcry, because they forgot? 2017-11-04T21:49:33 < jpa-> of course 2017-11-04T21:51:22 < jpa-> another fun thing is the rent support, which also applies for students; if you are single, you always get it; but if you are in a relationship, your partner's income affects it - so now they require proof from people that they are not dating their sister that they share appartment with etc. 2017-11-04T21:52:22 < upgrdman> lol 2017-11-04T21:53:21 < Steffanx> is it allowed in finland to date your sister? 2017-11-04T21:54:09 < jpa-> date, sure; fuck, no 2017-11-04T21:55:13 < kakimir> my new phone is just too big 2017-11-04T21:55:22 < kakimir> original moto was the right size 2017-11-04T21:55:26 < jpa-> too many sma connectors? 2017-11-04T21:56:46 < kakimir> when I type I can't hold same time my fingers around the phone 2017-11-04T21:56:48 < kakimir> but flat 2017-11-04T21:57:01 < Steffanx> i wonder if kakimir regrets ever doing those sma connectors 2017-11-04T21:57:07 < kakimir> njet 2017-11-04T21:57:17 < jpa-> "doing" 2017-11-04T21:57:39 < upgrdman> inserting them rectally 2017-11-04T21:57:48 < Steffanx> da da 2017-11-04T22:01:29 < sync> haha wut jpa- 2017-11-04T22:02:17 < upgrdman> lol. just realized that chrome has its own task manager 2017-11-04T22:08:10 < BrainDamage> browsers aren't far off from being an os 2017-11-04T22:08:31 < BrainDamage> they even have their own device drivers for when interfacing with things like smart card and other security tokens 2017-11-04T22:08:40 < BrainDamage> they also have task schedulers, etc 2017-11-04T22:09:13 < BrainDamage> add an io scheduler,video/hid drivers, and a boot manager and you could call it an os 2017-11-04T22:12:01 -!- DelvingDeeper_ [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T22:12:38 < DelvingDeeper_> Has anyone here used the DMA in memory inc mode? Mine seems to just be writing the same memory location although the MEMINC register is set 2017-11-04T22:18:33 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@imcool.fyi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T22:19:29 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T22:22:14 -!- ZeroWalker [~ZeroWalke@78-67-154-24-no268.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T22:23:17 < ZeroWalker> i am trying to read from SPI1 with DMA and then transfer the data via USB Serial, i try to use a DMA interrupt, but i can't send the data when it's completed, i guess it takes longer than the next time SPI1 uses DMA or something, any ideas? 2017-11-04T22:25:46 < DelvingDeeper_> ZeroWalker: what do you mean by this "i guess it takes longer than the next time SPI1 uses DMA or something" 2017-11-04T22:26:34 < ZeroWalker> well new to this so don't know what's fully going on all the time 2017-11-04T22:26:56 < ZeroWalker> But so i have SPI1 and then have DMA interupt when it has transferred X amount of bytes 2017-11-04T22:27:14 < ZeroWalker> then that interruption calls a function which then sends that buffer via USB Serial 2017-11-04T22:27:53 < ZeroWalker> but i can't send anything "big" at all, i can send like 300 bytes, more and it will cause a freeze and i have to reset the device 2017-11-04T22:28:55 < ZeroWalker> same if i send small stuff and then on the PC halt so it buffers it, that will also cause it to happen. Not really sure how USB Serial works with that, i thought it just sent the data ang didn't have any check if it was received or not, so the receiver just had to be fast enough 2017-11-04T22:29:16 < DelvingDeeper_> Hmmm. I havent used the USB in the device, I've used DMA and SPI so if its a USB problem my knowledge would be limited 2017-11-04T22:30:25 < ZeroWalker> i am just using the USB as i want to send data to the PC, and i think USB uses the same thing as the other serial ports? 2017-11-04T22:32:56 < DelvingDeeper_> ZeroWalker: I'm not sure, as far as I know the USB is pretty complicated to get working? but thats just what I've heard. I'd wait for someone with more knowledge to weigh in 2017-11-04T22:33:00 < ZeroWalker> technically i should have around 1 ms between completion and the next "SCK interval" 2017-11-04T22:33:05 < ZeroWalker> so i am fairly limited 2017-11-04T22:33:17 < ZeroWalker> and there's 3040 bytes to send 2017-11-04T22:34:20 < DelvingDeeper_> I know with my DMA I can transfer large chunks of data, but I'm not using any external interrupts for triggers, I'm using timers to trigger the DMA and I'm not doing any data processing in the main, just using it to trigger the DMA. 2017-11-04T22:36:23 < ZeroWalker> well i am using arduino ide thingy, i got setup and loop, but there's nothing in loop as it's all event based. but can you transfer DMA with the USB Serial? 2017-11-04T22:44:43 < upgrdman> FML. started cleaning that shower fan/light, and the "dust" is so caked on from the years of humidity etc that its like breaking apart a cookie. fuck this, im throwing it in my dish washer for a cycle. 2017-11-04T22:44:50 < DelvingDeeper_> Oh lord I wouldnt use the STM32Duino at all, but thats just my opinion and I doubt anyone here will help with that 2017-11-04T22:45:14 < upgrdman> superbia, thats ok 2017-11-04T22:45:34 < upgrdman> at least then its all be in the filter at the bottom which i can remove and wash off easily 2017-11-04T22:45:45 < upgrdman> or more likely, it 2017-11-04T22:45:59 < upgrdman> or more likely, it'll dissolve in the water/soap slowly and mostly be gone anyway 2017-11-04T22:46:50 < upgrdman> i love washing random shit in my dishwasher. i only fully dissassembled my oven door and washed it in there. came out looking 100% new. <3 2017-11-04T22:46:56 < upgrdman> s/only/once 2017-11-04T22:47:02 < sync> nice 2017-11-04T22:47:13 < ZeroWalker> well i can't really get anything else to work 2017-11-04T22:47:16 < sync> yeah I stick oily machine parts and shit in there 2017-11-04T22:47:33 < ZeroWalker> not really a fan of the arduino stuff tbh, find it very weird most of the time 2017-11-04T22:47:50 < sync> although I never use my dishwasher for actual dishes 2017-11-04T22:48:14 < upgrdman> lol why not 2017-11-04T22:48:44 < ZeroWalker> DelvingDeeper_, what do you use? 2017-11-04T22:49:34 < sync> idk, I just wash the dishes when I'm done cooking/eating 2017-11-04T22:50:09 < DelvingDeeper_> ZeroWalker: I'd go with anything else, either eclipse, keil or atollic 2017-11-04T22:50:42 < ZeroWalker> isn't eclipse just an IDE and not an actual system for uploading the stuff 2017-11-04T22:52:04 < DelvingDeeper> ZeroWalker: you can set it up to do pretty much anything. here's a vid on how to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtjMGCyLEuA 2017-11-04T22:52:05 < upgrdman> ZeroWalker, theres plugins for openocd, jlink, etc. 2017-11-04T22:52:22 < DelvingDeeper> ZeroWalker: it's a two-part 2017-11-04T22:52:25 < ZeroWalker> here's an example of what i like for style of programming: http://paste.awesom.eu/O4VR 2017-11-04T22:52:53 < DelvingDeeper> ZeroWalker: Yeah then you'd defs want to get away from arduino's ide 2017-11-04T22:52:56 < ZeroWalker> well if i can use Visual Studio (which i can with Arduino), then it would be awesome 2017-11-04T22:53:01 < upgrdman> i also like that, but i'd align my comments 2017-11-04T22:53:09 < ZeroWalker> it's jsut a bad copy paste 2017-11-04T22:53:28 < ZeroWalker> and yeah i like when you do stuff more manually, then having a abstract layer that you aren't really sure what it's doing 2017-11-04T22:53:36 < DelvingDeeper> ZeroWalker: Atollic is great if you want something that you can just install and start programming 2017-11-04T22:54:02 < ZeroWalker> but is the system different, i am kinda confused what part is the IDE and what part is the actual Coding 2017-11-04T22:54:15 < ZeroWalker> Arduiono has it's own IDE, but the code is the "setup/loop" right? 2017-11-04T22:55:15 < ZeroWalker> and one problem is, i don't have an ST-Link yet, so i have flashed it via serial to work in USB Bootloader, and it seems only Arduino supports that 2017-11-04T22:56:57 < DelvingDeeper> ZeroWalker: I don't think that should be a problem. Well you've got a few choices now carry on with arduino and see if you can get it working or jump into another ide that has proper support for STM. Time to start doing some google research] 2017-11-04T22:59:47 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-04T23:02:15 < DelvingDeeper_> ZeroWalker: Let me know if you get it working though, seems likea cool project. You writing a gui or something for the pc? 2017-11-04T23:02:55 < PaulFertser> ZeroWalker: there's VisualGDB then for you 2017-11-04T23:03:03 < ZeroWalker> will try out Eclipse, though not sure if the USB part will work. super confused as to what is IDE and what is the actual code difference, i thought IDE was only "interface for programming" in a nutshell 2017-11-04T23:03:18 < ZeroWalker> so you can program in Visual Studio for Windows, but also just do it in notepad if you wanted to, but the code is the same 2017-11-04T23:03:28 < ZeroWalker> i am working on a GB LCD Decoder 2017-11-04T23:03:28 < DelvingDeeper_> Pretty much 2017-11-04T23:03:31 < ZeroWalker> and it's Kiiiinda working 2017-11-04T23:03:49 < DelvingDeeper_> I thought you were using the STMduino library? 2017-11-04T23:03:52 < ZeroWalker> but so STM32 has the Setup then Loop thing like the arduino devices:S? 2017-11-04T23:04:04 < ZeroWalker> i am, but i can use it with VCMicro or something 2017-11-04T23:04:14 < ZeroWalker> vMicro 2017-11-04T23:04:14 < PaulFertser> ZeroWalker: only if you're actually using arduino libraries for it 2017-11-04T23:04:47 < ZeroWalker> but what's the original way, shouldn't it technically just be a "main"? 2017-11-04T23:05:00 < DelvingDeeper_> if your using the STM32 libraries, feel free to carry on. If youre using the stm32duino stuff then id switch 2017-11-04T23:05:01 < ZeroWalker> feels like the setup/loop is just a simplified abstraction 2017-11-04T23:06:15 < ZeroWalker> i should be using stm32duino, i think.. well this is was confusing lol, used to there just being like "i program for Windows in C/C++" and that's it, always the same 2017-11-04T23:06:32 < ZeroWalker> and i assume there being the same for linux etc 2017-11-04T23:08:59 < DelvingDeeper_> If your code looks like these github examples your using stm32duino : https://github.com/stm32duino 2017-11-04T23:10:16 < ZeroWalker> well must be using that, as i am tlaking with the developer about help with what iam doing lol xd 2017-11-04T23:11:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T23:20:48 -!- DelvingDeeper_ [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-04T23:26:00 < ZeroWalker> hmm, i installed Eclipse the plugin and toolchains, but can't even compile the example program, gives complains on "make" 2017-11-04T23:29:07 < upgrdman> ya you need to install make 2017-11-04T23:29:18 < upgrdman> gnuarmeclipse offers an installed for make/rm 2017-11-04T23:44:33 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-04T23:47:16 < ZeroWalker> have installed the build tools, do i have to manually add them somehow 2017-11-04T23:48:19 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-170-228.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-04T23:53:32 < ZeroWalker> oh got it to compile finally --- Day changed Sun Nov 05 2017 2017-11-05T00:18:05 < ZeroWalker> well, when you compile something, that are you supposed to upload, the hex file? 2017-11-05T00:39:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-05T00:42:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-40.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T00:50:35 -!- ZeroWalker [~ZeroWalke@78-67-154-24-no268.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-05T01:57:59 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-05T02:06:27 < kakimir> movie recommds? 2017-11-05T02:07:32 < kakimir> my recommd for new movie: Atomic Blonde 2017-11-05T02:09:44 < kakimir> Charlize Theron, really nice 1989 east- west- germany staging and machiavellistic secret agents 2017-11-05T02:11:24 < kakimir> trailer looks like it's all about gunfight, knifefight and fistfight but I think main thing was this mystery, tension thing going on 2017-11-05T02:12:26 < kakimir> why do german polizai use green color? 2017-11-05T02:15:46 < kakimir> *clubhouse green 2017-11-05T02:16:05 < kakimir> maybe it had something to do with nazis 2017-11-05T02:16:29 < kakimir> rebranding authority 2017-11-05T02:17:09 -!- ZeroWalker [~ZeroWalke@78-67-154-24-no268.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T02:17:23 < ZeroWalker> Okay let's try to get it working again;d 2017-11-05T02:17:49 < kakimir> why your nick is ZeroWalker? 2017-11-05T02:18:34 < ZeroWalker> basically just combined two cool names, Zero and Walker 2017-11-05T02:19:11 < kakimir> you drink zero coke? 2017-11-05T02:19:16 < ZeroWalker> nope 2017-11-05T02:20:57 < kakimir> do you walk? 2017-11-05T02:21:07 < ZeroWalker> sometimes! 2017-11-05T02:21:29 < kakimir> is Walker reffering to star wars? 2017-11-05T02:22:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T02:22:24 < ZeroWalker> nope, actually came from Allen Walker 2017-11-05T02:22:39 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-05T02:28:17 < kakimir> recommend me anime 2017-11-05T02:28:21 < kakimir> I need to fit in 2017-11-05T02:29:59 < ZeroWalker> oh, well haven't watched new ones in ages so can only recommend older, and i mostly watch Romance/Comedy/Harem stuff 2017-11-05T02:32:06 < kakimir> shoot 2017-11-05T02:33:57 < ZeroWalker> DN Angel, Code Geass, Busou Renkin, Darker Than Black, Nyan Koi!, Mayo Chiki!, Zero no Tsukaima, Elfen Lied, Kore wa Zombie desu ka, Death Note, Shakugan no Shana, Spice and Wolf 2017-11-05T02:34:03 < ZeroWalker> there's some;) 2017-11-05T02:34:46 < kakimir> I liek scifi 2017-11-05T02:34:50 < ZeroWalker> hmm scifi 2017-11-05T02:35:16 < ZeroWalker> seen few, i guess Gundam 00 2017-11-05T02:35:22 < ZeroWalker> Majestic Prince 2017-11-05T02:35:43 < ZeroWalker> Macross Frontier 2017-11-05T02:36:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T02:38:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/group3/06/f2/a3/a7/74/fe/4b/16/DM00431721/files/DM00431721.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00431721.pdf 2017-11-05T02:38:39 < Laurenceb_> btfo every other magno for stability 2017-11-05T02:45:21 < kakimir> ZeroWalker: these do not look like artpiece I'm looking for 2017-11-05T02:46:09 < ZeroWalker> ah, then i probably don't know many more, not usually into scifi that much, hmm though there is one i enjoyed, Planetes (i think it was called something like that) 2017-11-05T02:54:50 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:7956:49ac:4370:d9ab] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-05T03:16:01 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-40.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-05T03:18:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-05T03:21:02 < aandrew> what does btfo stand for? I always read it as "back the fuck off" 2017-11-05T03:22:02 < tpw_rules> it's like bodied the fuck out 2017-11-05T03:22:04 < tpw_rules> idk 2017-11-05T03:22:11 < tpw_rules> it's a thing for racists so i didn't investigate much 2017-11-05T03:24:27 < aandrew> ah it is back the fuck off 2017-11-05T03:24:37 < aandrew> I did the google and it said that 2017-11-05T03:24:47 < tpw_rules> i don't think that's what the racists mean though 2017-11-05T03:24:50 < aandrew> ud says "blown the fuck out" 2017-11-05T03:25:02 < tpw_rules> i think it's that one 2017-11-05T03:25:07 < aandrew> "Acronym which stands for "blown the fuck out." Generally used to refer to a sports team that loses to another by a large margin. Especially if the losing team was expected to win" 2017-11-05T03:28:23 < branjb> i always thought btfo was bent the fuck over 2017-11-05T03:30:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T03:31:15 < branjb> finally some progress 2017-11-05T03:31:16 < branjb> https://photos.app.goo.gl/K9y4Fe9syobdiiFU2 2017-11-05T03:31:44 < branjb> now to figure out how to reduce gyro drift 2017-11-05T03:33:17 < aandrew> hm, are the black hat 2015 presentations not online? 2017-11-05T03:35:52 < aandrew> nvm 2017-11-05T03:36:36 < kakimir> branjb: did you suspend mems? 2017-11-05T03:36:56 < kakimir> did you go to 1/4 step? 2017-11-05T03:37:25 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-05T03:37:27 < branjb> to both 2017-11-05T03:37:32 < branjb> the 1/4 step seemed to help the most 2017-11-05T03:37:52 < aandrew> "suspend mems" ? 2017-11-05T03:37:58 < aandrew> like hang it by its pins or something? 2017-11-05T03:38:43 < branjb> nah 2017-11-05T03:38:52 < branjb> I just put foam tape around where it attaches to the frame 2017-11-05T03:38:54 < branjb> to reduce vibrations 2017-11-05T03:39:29 < branjb> my gyro drifts pretty bad 2017-11-05T03:39:49 < branjb> maybe will try weighting it different in the filter 2017-11-05T03:40:15 < Laurenceb_> what gyro are you using? 2017-11-05T03:40:22 < branjb> mpu6050 2017-11-05T03:40:37 < Laurenceb_> ah 2017-11-05T03:40:38 < branjb> I gave up on the lsm9ds1 2017-11-05T03:40:44 < Laurenceb_> can you plot noise from it? 2017-11-05T03:40:50 < Laurenceb_> whats up with lsm9ds1? 2017-11-05T03:41:07 < branjb> too many settings, I probably configured it wrong 2017-11-05T03:41:11 < Laurenceb_> ah 2017-11-05T03:41:35 < branjb> mainly because the mpu6050 has the built in dsp function 2017-11-05T03:41:46 < branjb> i'm sure if I did a hp filter on the lsm9ds1 it'd be the same 2017-11-05T03:43:25 < Ultrasauce> every gyro drifts, that's what the accelerometer is for 2017-11-05T03:43:33 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T03:44:24 < branjb> right now just doing angle = angle_gyro * 0.9996f + angle_acc * 0.0004f; 2017-11-05T03:44:26 < Laurenceb_> but ST gyro also spits out weird noise 2017-11-05T03:44:30 < Laurenceb_> at least mine do 2017-11-05T03:44:35 < branjb> if i adjust the weights, i get left drift at the cost of responsiveness right? 2017-11-05T03:44:44 < branjb> less drift* 2017-11-05T03:44:56 < Laurenceb_> woah this is nice 2017-11-05T03:44:56 < Ultrasauce> you need a high pass filter on the gyro 2017-11-05T03:44:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/design_tip/group0/bf/92/6b/31/e7/c1/4d/c8/DM00311184/files/DM00311184.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00311184.pdf 2017-11-05T03:46:26 < Laurenceb_> well... it promises much but underdelivers 2017-11-05T03:48:43 < sync> Ultrasauce: lies 2017-11-05T03:49:08 < sync> or rather, there are gyros with very very low drift 2017-11-05T03:49:27 < Laurenceb_> coal spired firestation 2017-11-05T03:52:10 < sync> branjb: you can do some system that looks at the magnitude and uses gyro primarily for high response when the angular rate is high 2017-11-05T03:53:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.analog.com/en/technical-articles/gyro-mechanical-performance.html 2017-11-05T03:54:20 < Laurenceb_> noise spectrum looks similar to lsm6 if some extra dsp was added 2017-11-05T03:54:33 < Laurenceb_> but there arent any low frequency spurs 2017-11-05T03:58:20 < Ultrasauce> yes ok I reform my suggestion to "ditch the MEMS and spend 6 figures on a ring laser gyroscope" thank sync 2017-11-05T03:58:52 < sync> yes 2017-11-05T03:59:05 < sync> although my fiber gyros were not 6 figures 2017-11-05T03:59:10 < sync> only 0.2°/h tho 2017-11-05T03:59:12 < sync> not that great 2017-11-05T04:02:20 < sync> oh wut, that is a good article Laurenceb_ 2017-11-05T04:05:06 < sync> I got a few of those crs43 things 2017-11-05T04:05:10 < sync> they suck pretty hard tbh 2017-11-05T04:11:03 < Laurenceb_> what are you building with fibre gyros? 2017-11-05T04:14:06 < sync> a balance bot over the weekend at the make:r space for luls 2017-11-05T04:14:13 < sync> with only the gyro 2017-11-05T04:16:00 < branjb> use steppers for real fun 2017-11-05T04:16:37 < sync> no, pmsm servo 2017-11-05T04:21:08 < sync> using openloop stuff is something I don't like 2017-11-05T04:22:28 < branjb> anyone used one of those hc06 bt things? 2017-11-05T04:23:23 < branjb> is it as simple as pair with laptop, open com port, put serial on hc06 rx line, it shows up in laptop terminal? 2017-11-05T04:25:22 < Ultrasauce> they dont have UARTs 2017-11-05T04:25:33 < Ultrasauce> it's a simple pulse-length interface 2017-11-05T04:25:48 < Ultrasauce> oh i missed "bt" 2017-11-05T04:26:54 < branjb> or really whatever 2017-11-05T04:27:11 < branjb> trying to find a painless way to get serial data wirelessly to a laptop 2017-11-05T04:27:34 < Ultrasauce> painless and wireless are always mutually exclusive 2017-11-05T04:27:40 < Cracki> there should be bluetooth-serial modules 2017-11-05T04:27:53 < branjb> haha 2017-11-05T04:27:55 < Cracki> I've seen some in those programmable dc stepdown power supplies 2017-11-05T04:28:10 < branjb> ideally some memeduino module that has a stack already on it that i just put data into 2017-11-05T04:30:57 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-05T04:32:15 < sync> just run some wire off the ceiling 2017-11-05T04:32:18 < branjb> lol 2017-11-05T04:32:19 < sync> like the real pros 2017-11-05T04:32:34 < branjb> considering just getting a long usb cord 2017-11-05T04:33:25 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T04:34:15 < branjb> if i use an esp8266 what is the % chance that I get fucked by firewall settings at an unknown venue? 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I could use both :) 2017-11-05T16:19:52 < englishman> then you should get both 2017-11-05T16:20:04 < Steffanx> And im just looking what the cheap arse world has to offer nowadays 2017-11-05T16:20:45 < Steffanx> *into 2017-11-05T16:20:45 < englishman> anything more innovative than cnc3020 and 400w spindle? 2017-11-05T16:21:15 < Steffanx> sure. and cheaper 2017-11-05T16:21:19 < englishman> interesting 2017-11-05T16:21:36 < Steffanx> i think, but as im not an expert it might be crappy as hell 2017-11-05T16:22:15 < Steffanx> https://www.millrightcnc.com/ results dont look to bad but .. meh 2017-11-05T16:22:19 < Steffanx> *too 2017-11-05T16:23:23 < englishman> belt drive.... 2017-11-05T16:24:32 < Steffanx> ill belt drive you 2017-11-05T16:27:45 < Steffanx> anyway just orientating mr englishman 2017-11-05T16:29:09 < englishman> yeah 2017-11-05T16:29:19 < englishman> well belts on CNC will really limit you 2017-11-05T16:30:07 < englishman> if you're considering one plz research the difference yourself 2017-11-05T16:31:03 < Steffanx> im probbaly not considering, because huuuge shipping costs 2017-11-05T16:33:04 < Steffanx> and i read somewhere it's tarduino based 2017-11-05T16:33:25 < Steffanx> i dont want to die just yet 2017-11-05T16:36:57 < Steffanx> So how is canada sunday englishman? 2017-11-05T16:43:02 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: (3d printing) I've bought anet a8 from banggood for cheap and it's ~reasonable for the price afaict. 2017-11-05T16:43:59 < PaulFertser> Just wanted some shit to play with. 2017-11-05T16:48:25 < englishman> Steffanx: pitter patter of little kitten feet and rain on the tin roof 2017-11-05T16:50:44 < Steffanx> oh, that thing is so damn cheap that not much can go wrong indeed PaulFertser 2017-11-05T16:51:13 < Steffanx> and you'll just print your own improvements 2017-11-05T16:51:54 < Steffanx> buying 2017-11-05T16:52:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I've added an Ikea glass mirror (and glass cutter to cut it to size) 2017-11-05T16:53:26 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the connectors in the latest version are ~reasonable, much better than those that were before, so probably not much to worry about. 2017-11-05T16:53:54 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: you'll probably want some additional insulation for the heat bed if you plan to print ABS as it otherwise takes too long to heat up to 110C. 2017-11-05T17:01:26 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, ABS i didnt plan to use that, yet. 2017-11-05T17:02:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: ABS parts tolerate higher temperatures and harsher environment (can be used outdoors) 2017-11-05T17:02:47 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: if you're seriously buying a8, I'll be willing to share some important assembly tips which were not obvious for me. 2017-11-05T17:14:37 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T17:16:11 < Steffanx> ill look into it PaulFertser 2017-11-05T17:16:32 < DelvingDeeper> Hey everyone, got a question on the DMA triggered with timers, pretty sure I could do this, just want to check. I'm triggering the DMA via the timer with a clock, although I want the DMA to rather be triggered by an external signal and then read in a known amount of data (lets call it x) shifted out via the clock signal and then wait until the next trigger? 2017-11-05T17:17:13 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T17:28:52 < DelvingDeeper> So for instance the drdy signal triggers the dma, then it reads in 8 bits on the DCLK and then waits for the next DRDY : https://imgur.com/a/SzyeC 2017-11-05T17:32:10 < jpa-> yeah, should work if you set the timer to count on both edges and ARR = 1 2017-11-05T17:41:52 < Steffanx> How is your cnc3020 doing jpa-? 2017-11-05T17:43:29 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-05T17:44:45 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T17:48:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-42b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T17:53:12 < ZeroWalker> hmm so apparently using USB maple uploader doesn't work out with code from cubemx;( 2017-11-05T17:58:16 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T18:09:08 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: btw, I'm compiling "Repetier firmware" for it which is using arduino libraries but of course I'm not using arduino IDE. 2017-11-05T18:09:55 < Steffanx> Nah for now i will just look a bit futher, someone ( wont call names ) told me not to waste time on it :P 2017-11-05T18:11:40 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T18:11:55 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ifmpnjegcfqbpxhi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T18:12:56 < DelvingDeeper> jpa: Great thank you! 2017-11-05T18:13:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: haha, what will you choose then? 2017-11-05T18:13:27 < Steffanx> Results look pretty so-so, but what can you expect from < $200 PaulFertser 2017-11-05T18:13:39 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: dont know yet 2017-11-05T18:14:11 < DelvingDeeper> ZeroWalker: what did you end up using? 2017-11-05T18:14:12 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: results depend a lot on how you assemble and fine-tune it and then on slicing parameters and then on reinforcements you implement. 2017-11-05T18:16:30 < Lux> i honestly wouldn't use abs anymore these days 2017-11-05T18:16:40 < Lux> it's just a pita due to shrinkage 2017-11-05T18:17:09 < Lux> and you can get petg which is as good with temp resistance, just a bit softer 2017-11-05T18:17:59 < ZeroWalker> DelvingDeeper, well, i duno, i am not able to even flash anything and get it working outside of the arduino. I am trying out cubemx 2017-11-05T18:18:22 < PaulFertser> Lux: pita due to bed adhesion or to fit the parts later or why? 2017-11-05T18:18:53 < Lux> if you want accurate parts you have to take it into account and bed adhesion is a probem too 2017-11-05T18:18:56 < Lux> actually warping is 2017-11-05T18:19:04 < Lux> as the part cools down unevenly 2017-11-05T18:19:49 < Lux> iirc abs was like 2% shrinkage vs 0.2-0.5 for pla 2017-11-05T18:20:09 < ZeroWalker> so i use cubemx with VisualGBD and compiled and tried to flash the generated .bin file. i can flash it fine, but it makes the USB device not work, so i have to reset the STM32 and flash a working program 2017-11-05T18:21:41 < branjb> are you flashing it via visual studio or via the st link flash tool? 2017-11-05T18:22:50 < PaulFertser> ZeroWalker: if you are using bootloader, you need to tell cubemx exactly where it expects to find the firmware. 2017-11-05T18:24:24 < PaulFertser> Lux: people usually say that an enclosure helps with uneven cooling. 2017-11-05T18:24:55 < Lux> yeah definetly, but why bother if you can avoid the hassle 2017-11-05T18:24:56 < branjb> Lux: have you tried PEI as a bed? I've had zero issues with warping/cooling since using it 2017-11-05T18:25:08 < Lux> that's what i'm using 2017-11-05T18:25:11 < branjb> ah 2017-11-05T18:25:16 < branjb> I also have an enclosure 2017-11-05T18:25:24 < Lux> pei coated aluminium is amazing 2017-11-05T18:25:30 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-05T18:25:37 < branjb> ABS is actually useful again 2017-11-05T18:25:42 < Lux> it's also super easy to remove the parts 2017-11-05T18:25:44 < Steffanx> Why no A6 PaulFertser ? Seems to be the newer one 2017-11-05T18:26:15 < Lux> the wanhao i3 or rebranded ones are also pretty neat if you don't want to waste time on building that stuff 2017-11-05T18:26:20 < Lux> prints in like 30 mins 2017-11-05T18:28:17 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: a8 was cheaper (plus there was a "sale" ongoing), slightly bigger print area, considerably more tips on reprap wiki and enhancements on thingiverse. And it seemed that a6 had no considerable advantages. 2017-11-05T18:29:40 < PaulFertser> And I do not need it to print, I need it to tinker. 2017-11-05T18:30:48 < Lux> i'd rather do a build from scratch then 2017-11-05T18:31:13 < branjb> I started working on a delta robot build but haven't had time to go back to it 2017-11-05T18:31:16 < PaulFertser> Hehe, I wanted something much less involving. 2017-11-05T18:31:48 < Lux> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2254103 2017-11-05T18:33:26 < Lux> maybe as a next step if you like tinkering with that stuff :) 2017-11-05T18:35:47 < PaulFertser> That looks really nice and cool. By tinkering I meant something non-involving, like some people playing "casual games" etc. 2017-11-05T18:36:05 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/s7hvmgxbl5wz.jpg 2017-11-05T18:36:33 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:acb3:fae5:fa7c:3c75] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-05T18:38:58 < branjb> upgrdman finally got it to violently balance: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ywTgvPRjg9V08Mz32 2017-11-05T18:40:11 < upgrdman> parkinsons robot :) 2017-11-05T18:41:21 < branjb> the box i'm testing on isn't really flat 2017-11-05T18:47:45 < ZeroWalker> PaulFertser, but i am not flashing with cubemx am i, it's just for generating the starter code? 2017-11-05T18:51:05 < PaulFertser> ZeroWalker: if you're using bootloader then the linker needs to know where (address) the code will end up. To place ISR table etc. And the code is normally not position-independent. 2017-11-05T18:55:02 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T19:07:23 < PaulFertser> Lux: yes, my ABS lamp shade just warped enough to delaminate several layers in the middle and to convince everybody that printing large thin objects without an enclosure makes little sense. 2017-11-05T19:07:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-05T19:13:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T19:32:45 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: have anything printed to share with us ? 2017-11-05T19:34:35 < englishman> what do you suggest instead? petg? 2017-11-05T19:34:42 < englishman> oops scrolled up 2017-11-05T19:34:43 < englishman> Lux: ^ 2017-11-05T19:35:21 < Steffanx> Dont scroll englishbot 2017-11-05T19:35:26 < Steffanx> Nor englishman 2017-11-05T19:41:15 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no proper tests performed yet, so nothing to brag about. 2017-11-05T19:44:19 < Steffanx> heh ok 2017-11-05T19:44:36 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'll try to share some examples tomorrow when the daylight will be available to make a reasonable photo. 2017-11-05T19:45:18 < PaulFertser> I'd say for diy practical purposes the quality is adequate. And it works out of the box after easy enough assembly. 2017-11-05T19:49:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-05T19:52:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-56-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T19:54:26 < Steffanx> So fixed the connection between the pcb and the bed yet PaulFertser? It seems to set itself on fire?! 2017-11-05T19:56:24 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: newer connectors look pretty adequate (they really differ from those on the "fire" pics). But I still added a mosfet board as I decided to ramp up the voltage to 14V for faster heating and to put less thermal stress on the main board. 2017-11-05T19:57:54 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I also soldered the power wires directly to the bed with a ~90W iron, can't really tell if it was necessary or not, the connector seems ok, especially if you add some strain relief element to hold the wires (which you need to do either way). 2017-11-05T20:03:46 < Ultrasauce> abs sucks don't print it 2017-11-05T20:04:10 < englishman> hey its all there was, a few years ago 2017-11-05T20:04:25 < englishman> what should i upgrade to 2017-11-05T20:04:54 < englishman> wow MG chem makes petg 2017-11-05T20:04:57 < englishman> and it's cheap 2017-11-05T20:06:44 < Ultrasauce> i use pla 2017-11-05T20:06:50 < Ultrasauce> ive heard good things about PETG yes 2017-11-05T20:07:32 < Steffanx> ABS fumes are nice. 2017-11-05T20:07:50 < Ultrasauce> yeah that's my #1 reason to not recommend it 2017-11-05T20:12:32 < englishman> really? it's my #1 reason to fridge scirros 2017-11-05T20:19:26 < Steffanx> fridge scirros .. wut? 2017-11-05T20:19:42 < branjb> is there any point to running a control loop faster than your fastest sensor updates? 2017-11-05T20:19:50 < branjb> ie, 250hz loop if imu only updates at 72 hz 2017-11-05T20:25:47 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-05T20:26:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T20:28:04 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T20:34:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-05T20:41:45 < Lux> apparently annealing pla should work really well for strong parts too 2017-11-05T20:42:16 < Lux> there is even special pla you can buy which has low shrinkage during the annealing process 2017-11-05T20:43:00 < Lux> https://www.3dprima.com/filaments/primaselect-pla-pro-1-75mm-750-g-white/a-22433/ 2017-11-05T20:56:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-56-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-05T20:56:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-05T21:15:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: my cnc is doing quite well 2017-11-05T21:56:13 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2017-11-05T21:56:22 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T22:05:17 -!- fergusnoble_ [~fergusnob@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T22:11:51 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Abhishek_, sferrini, Syke, fergusnoble, emeb_mac, Guest64365 --- Log closed Sun Nov 05 22:17:39 2017 --- Log opened Sun Nov 05 22:29:56 2017 2017-11-05T22:29:56 -!- jpa- [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T22:29:56 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 130 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 129 normal] 2017-11-05T22:31:09 -!- Irssi: Join to ##stm32 was synced in 79 secs 2017-11-05T22:37:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T23:15:40 < kakimir> jubb apply is ready 2017-11-05T23:15:43 < kakimir> send or not send 2017-11-05T23:16:33 < Rob235> already on version 2 of website I havent finished yet... 2017-11-05T23:17:10 < Rob235> https://rjfeddeler.github.io/DrawBotPanel_v2/ 2017-11-05T23:17:14 < kakimir> random says 0 2017-11-05T23:17:24 < kakimir> I need to think this thru then 2017-11-05T23:18:21 < PaulFertser> 0 means false in C but in shell scripting it means true/success. 2017-11-05T23:19:00 < kakimir> yes it all means this decision has it's perspectives to it 2017-11-05T23:19:18 < kakimir> maybe some snack first> 2017-11-05T23:19:49 < Steffanx> lol what's that Rob235? 2017-11-05T23:22:01 < Steffanx> You did that circle hting yourself Rob235? 2017-11-05T23:22:02 < Rob235> new website for drawbot possibly :) i decided i dont like the old one 2017-11-05T23:22:04 < Rob235> yea 2017-11-05T23:22:14 < Rob235> using html canvas 2017-11-05T23:23:04 < Steffanx> that's flash.. 2017-11-05T23:25:47 < Steffanx> You never did js before Rob235? You seems to do more "advanced" stuff than most starters :P 2017-11-05T23:28:15 < Rob235> nope, the first version of the website was my first time 2017-11-05T23:34:49 < englishman> kakimir: The 0 is for Zero Hesitation, Send It 2017-11-05T23:37:34 < zyp> Ultrasauce, I'm usually printing PETG 2017-11-05T23:38:29 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/7cInk.jpg <- last I printed was this enclosure 2017-11-05T23:39:58 < englishman> zyp i have some electrician rage 2017-11-05T23:40:08 < zyp> yeah? 2017-11-05T23:40:12 < englishman> went to get a occupancy light switch 2017-11-05T23:40:13 < englishman> wire it up 2017-11-05T23:40:20 < englishman> notice it's like a regular switch, no neutral 2017-11-05T23:40:25 < englishman> turn on 2017-11-05T23:40:29 < englishman> lights flicker 2017-11-05T23:40:30 < englishman> ??? 2017-11-05T23:40:36 < englishman> it says "led compatible" right on the box 2017-11-05T23:40:43 < englishman> turns out it has like 150W minimum load 2017-11-05T23:40:48 < englishman> that it doesnt say anywhere 2017-11-05T23:40:55 < englishman> i had to go find some incandescent bulbs 2017-11-05T23:40:55 < zyp> heh 2017-11-05T23:40:58 < englishman> utter bullshit 2017-11-05T23:41:05 < englishman> and it was like $30 2017-11-05T23:41:19 < englishman> writing angry handwritten letter to company 2017-11-05T23:41:24 < zyp> sounds retarded 2017-11-05T23:41:35 < englishman> totally 2017-11-05T23:41:49 < zyp> only stuff I tend to see that's powered just by being wired in series are dimmers 2017-11-05T23:41:49 < englishman> but nothing i could find had zero minimum load or neutral wire connection 2017-11-05T23:42:19 < englishman> except, this garage motion detector i have , thatwas $3 from china 2017-11-05T23:42:26 < englishman> china > white people once again 2017-11-05T23:42:40 < zyp> heh 2017-11-05T23:43:16 < zyp> or you could go full iot 2017-11-05T23:43:35 < englishman> i thought a $30 lightswitch was already overkill 2017-11-05T23:43:35 < zyp> I recently got a bunch of xiaomi iot shit, including motion sensor 2017-11-05T23:44:00 < englishman> really 2017-11-05T23:44:07 < zyp> not sure what I'll use the motion sensor for, but it was $10 so I figured getting one of those wouldn't hurt 2017-11-05T23:45:08 < englishman> this one is for the basement pantry, so the lights arent on in there even when we are using the basement 2017-11-05T23:45:17 < englishman> unless we are actually in there 2017-11-05T23:45:40 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-05T23:46:01 < englishman> do you have a link to a product suite 2017-11-05T23:46:03 < zyp> so far I've just messed around with the temperature sensors 2017-11-05T23:46:15 < zyp> http://home.zyp.no:3000/dashboard/db/sensors?refresh=1m&orgId=1 2017-11-05T23:46:20 < zyp> (if it works) 2017-11-05T23:46:40 < englishman> considering the kidde recall, i might just replace all the smoke detectors etc with china stuff 2017-11-05T23:46:57 < englishman> works yeah 2017-11-05T23:47:48 < englishman> what product is this? 2017-11-05T23:47:52 < zyp> picked up three sensors to test, they seem to work pretty well, so I figure I'll get some more so I can cover all the rooms 2017-11-05T23:48:09 < kakimir> I highly value your opinion englishman 2017-11-05T23:48:21 < zyp> https://xiaomi-mi.com/sockets-and-sensors/xiaomi-mi-temperature-humidity-sensor/ <- these 2017-11-05T23:48:26 < zyp> they are like $10 on aliexpress 2017-11-05T23:48:38 < englishman> nice 2017-11-05T23:48:46 < zyp> also need the gateway 2017-11-05T23:49:01 < zyp> i.e. this: https://xiaomi-mi.com/sockets-and-sensors/xiaomi-mi-gateway-2/ 2017-11-05T23:49:46 < englishman> oh man it's only yuroplugs 2017-11-05T23:49:58 < zyp> no, it's chinaplugs 2017-11-05T23:50:15 < zyp> but I'm not buying their relay plugs 2017-11-05T23:50:15 < englishman> oh 2017-11-05T23:50:28 < zyp> I'm just interested in their sensors 2017-11-05T23:50:35 < englishman> mm 2017-11-05T23:50:36 < zyp> I already have a bunch of zwave relays 2017-11-05T23:50:39 < englishman> yeah interesting 2017-11-05T23:50:44 < zyp> and zwave sensors are too fucking expensive 2017-11-05T23:51:02 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rvppdkmohynxtcza] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T23:51:27 -!- Guest64365 [sid32258@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wtnfispmndpndagz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T23:51:54 < englishman> thanks! 2017-11-05T23:51:57 < zyp> I'm putting everything on mqtt anyway, so everything can talk to everything 2017-11-05T23:52:35 -!- sferrini [sid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etqintdapwuoqujd] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T23:52:56 -!- Syke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-05T23:54:08 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hzbnhxaszhyoutyl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] --- Day changed Mon Nov 06 2017 2017-11-06T00:00:00 < kakimir> fuck me it's out now 2017-11-06T00:03:51 < Steffanx> No thanks 2017-11-06T00:04:05 < Steffanx> Whats you gonna apply for kakimir ? 2017-11-06T00:04:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-42b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-06T00:04:18 < kakimir> it's ledimir now 2017-11-06T00:04:34 < kakimir> led lighting applications 2017-11-06T00:04:36 < Steffanx> Vledimir 2017-11-06T00:04:50 < kakimir> some electronics, program, design whatever suits 2017-11-06T00:04:59 < Steffanx> Sexy 2017-11-06T00:06:19 < Steffanx> You didnt tell them about your sma fetish i assume? 2017-11-06T00:13:42 < kakimir> I told I have "tried" some SMAs 2017-11-06T00:18:46 < englishman> lol 2017-11-06T00:18:58 < kakimir> it was just one time I tried them 2017-11-06T00:19:29 < kakimir> I swear I'm not totally obsessed 2017-11-06T00:23:57 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ocxollrpnqqtbnbf] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T00:40:06 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2017-11-06T00:40:19 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T00:44:53 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T00:45:05 < stvn> good morning englishman 2017-11-06T00:46:43 < stvn> DC POWER SUPPLIES 2017-11-06T00:55:38 < stvn> the chinese EMC pack 2017-11-06T01:10:56 < Steffanx> Drugs are bad, stvn 2017-11-06T01:11:34 < Steffanx> Did you get high from your fellow aussies mates? 2017-11-06T01:14:39 < stvn> n 2017-11-06T01:14:51 < stvn> i get high with a little help from my friends 2017-11-06T01:19:15 < stvn> lets install a free operating system 2017-11-06T02:00:48 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T02:10:35 < englishman> good evening stvn 2017-11-06T02:12:45 < stvn> hi there 2017-11-06T02:16:06 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T02:27:27 < Laurenceb_> Linux is one of the least secure operating systems 2017-11-06T02:27:36 < Laurenceb_> Microsoft is usually quickest to issue patches now. 2017-11-06T02:27:52 < Laurenceb_> Windows is virus free 2017-11-06T02:28:39 < kakimir> windows is okay 2017-11-06T02:28:51 < kakimir> but you are safe with linux too 2017-11-06T02:29:13 < kakimir> if you don't do anything with it 2017-11-06T02:30:52 < Laurenceb_> www.nextbigfuture.com%2F2017%2F06%2Fsolar-powered-emdrive-version-of-space-battleship-yamato.html 2017-11-06T02:31:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T02:32:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T02:33:26 < branjb> with madgwicks, how do you start with a stabalized value? it takes about 5-10 seconds to converge and stabilize after startup 2017-11-06T02:37:37 < kakimir> I wonder when I need to start paying customs and tax for uk stuff 2017-11-06T02:38:09 < Laurenceb_> branjb: openpilot code used an init proceedure to estimate the attitude to start up in 2017-11-06T02:39:49 < branjb> just using raw values? 2017-11-06T02:40:00 < branjb> and then calculating quaternions to start as? 2017-11-06T02:55:58 < Laurenceb_> finding iNEMO 2017-11-06T02:57:16 < Laurenceb_> I dont know, find the source 2017-11-06T02:57:26 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/meR6qwX 2017-11-06T03:00:55 -!- kakimir [kakimir@sienimetsa.wtf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-06T03:02:02 < Laurenceb_> https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/a24dwdp_700b.jpg 2017-11-06T03:14:53 < stvn> Laurenceb_: i watched the chris chan doco 2017-11-06T03:20:24 < Laurenceb_> woah 2017-11-06T03:20:29 < Laurenceb_> who produced it? 2017-11-06T03:26:28 < stvn> nobody famous 2017-11-06T03:29:15 < DelvingDeeper> Anyone know what PCB locator is on the datasheet of a uSD card connector ? >.< 2017-11-06T03:29:29 -!- kakimir [kakimir@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T03:34:25 < upgrdman> msft supporting gcc and it looks like stm32 now: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2017/10/23/arm-gcc-cross-compilation-in-visual-studio/ 2017-11-06T03:52:59 -!- syn0 [hoofman@odin.sdf-eu.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T03:59:07 < Cracki> nice 2017-11-06T04:00:51 < branjb> anyone used mbed? seems kinda weird 2017-11-06T04:01:07 < Cracki> it is 2017-11-06T04:01:20 < branjb> tries to obscure a lot of the hardware 2017-11-06T04:10:50 < stvn> signal to autism ratio 2017-11-06T04:14:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T04:16:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-06T04:27:47 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-06T04:35:31 -!- ult [~lamer@107.170.37.27] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T04:43:11 < aandrew> lol signal to autism ratio 2017-11-06T04:44:51 < stvn> a big fat one 2017-11-06T04:50:43 -!- ult [~lamer@107.170.37.27] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-06T04:50:49 < dongs> mbed sucks 2017-11-06T04:51:21 < aandrew> < stvn> a big fat one 2017-11-06T04:56:32 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-06T04:57:39 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T05:05:41 < stvn> eh 2017-11-06T05:16:12 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T05:24:52 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-06T05:26:21 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T05:41:59 -!- enh [~enhering@179.177.49.159.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-06T05:51:27 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T05:56:04 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T06:04:57 < Rob235> mbed ftw 2017-11-06T06:05:19 < Rob235> hmm my website makes the fans of my laptop spin up 2017-11-06T06:05:25 < Rob235> too much mathz 2017-11-06T06:19:23 < Thorn> *ding* achievement unlocked: modern web development 2017-11-06T06:21:01 < Rob235> did you see drawbot v2 so far? :P 2017-11-06T06:21:10 < Rob235> i decided I didnt like what I was doing 2017-11-06T06:21:15 < Rob235> so i started over 2017-11-06T06:23:01 < Rob235> https://rjfeddeler.github.io/DrawBotPanel_v2/ 2017-11-06T06:24:42 < Thorn> that's just an effect, where is the UI 2017-11-06T06:25:00 < Rob235> havent gotten there yet, just started over 2017-11-06T06:25:38 < Rob235> planning it out in my head as I play with the canvas 2017-11-06T06:26:32 < Thorn> ... 2017-11-06T06:28:30 < Rob235> i'm sorry for not being further along 2017-11-06T06:31:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-06T06:31:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-06T06:45:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T06:48:57 < dongs> 11.11 chink black frida sale on A1 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/totally_not_scam/32828561621.html 2017-11-06T06:54:16 < upgrdman> weird looking bed https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/wade-logan-damen-upholstered-platform-bed-wlgn8374.html 2017-11-06T07:05:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-06T07:07:13 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T07:11:23 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN4m29_X0AEio8r.jpg 2017-11-06T07:11:24 < dongs> the fucking jap enclosure company is ridiculous 2017-11-06T07:11:27 < dongs> sent them email nov 1st 2017-11-06T07:11:31 < dongs> want to reorder same shit i always order 2017-11-06T07:11:33 < dongs> no reply for days 2017-11-06T07:11:34 < dongs> call friday 2017-11-06T07:11:37 < dongs> "sorry, we will reply monday" 2017-11-06T07:11:42 < dongs> "we are busy" 2017-11-06T07:11:44 < dongs> call monday 2017-11-06T07:11:47 < dongs> theycan't find email 2017-11-06T07:12:06 < dongs> (becauase their email is a fucking catc-all 'fuckyou@japco' and once one jap reads it and pulls it from pop3 nobody else can 2017-11-06T07:12:12 < dongs> so they have to go to each jap PC and check their email there 2017-11-06T07:12:14 < dongs> to see it 2017-11-06T07:12:25 < dongs> fucking ridiculous 2017-11-06T07:12:42 < dongs> i wish there was another fucking company doing same shit so I could just switch to them and email these fucks copies of thier invoices monthly 2017-11-06T07:14:19 < upgrdman> what kind of enclosure 2017-11-06T07:14:21 < upgrdman> pic? 2017-11-06T07:14:53 < dongs> just all the stuff i use here 2017-11-06T07:14:58 < dongs> extrruded aluminum/plastic mostly 2017-11-06T07:15:08 < dongs> i am sure china can have same shit but these guyts quality is nice etc 2017-11-06T07:15:11 < dongs> but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck dealing with them 2017-11-06T07:29:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T07:29:36 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T07:32:49 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-06T07:32:52 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-06T07:40:13 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-06T07:40:26 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:08:48 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:09:06 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:13:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-06T08:13:31 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:14:37 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-06T08:14:37 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-06T08:14:41 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-06T08:26:01 -!- Ecco_ [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:31:48 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: munki_, CipherWizard, Ecco, c4017, comptroller, Thorn 2017-11-06T08:34:57 -!- ReadErr [readerror@very.legit.website] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-06T08:35:32 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-yapnazrcbodsxceo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-06T08:36:42 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-06T08:36:55 -!- ReadErr [readerror@very.legit.website] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:37:09 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:47:08 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T08:48:52 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:50:01 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rmmclqmizewpouru] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T08:54:40 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:10:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:11:57 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:11:57 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:11:57 -!- munki_ [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:11:57 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:11:57 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@216.21.169.52] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:14:54 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-06T09:18:29 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Syke 2017-11-06T09:21:52 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ocxollrpnqqtbnbf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T09:53:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-06b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-06T09:54:32 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T09:57:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-06T10:21:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T10:38:28 < DelvingDeeper> If I want the DMA to increment a memory location do I need to provide it with an Array memory location and just set it to increment and it'll do its thing? so in circular mode it'll fill the array and restart once its filled? 2017-11-06T10:39:55 < zyp> yes 2017-11-06T10:40:57 < Fleck> monrning zyp! 2017-11-06T10:41:17 < zyp> hi 2017-11-06T10:41:40 < DelvingDeeper> Got my Minc register set but it just keeps filling the first int in the array, time to debug 2017-11-06T10:41:59 < zyp> DelvingDeeper, have you set the dma job size larger than 1? 2017-11-06T10:42:30 < zyp> job size should be set to the number of entries in your buffer 2017-11-06T10:43:32 < DelvingDeeper> I set it to 1 cause previously when I had it larger it just filled the whole array with the same value. I'll do that, thank you! 2017-11-06T10:44:19 < zyp> what are you transferring from? 2017-11-06T10:45:01 < zyp> if it keeps transferring the same value, it sounds like it's not triggering correctly, make sure you haven't enabled memory to memory mode 2017-11-06T10:46:32 < DelvingDeeper> Doing a timer trigger dma - periph to me 2017-11-06T10:46:36 < DelvingDeeper> mem 2017-11-06T10:48:09 < zyp> is the value you're transferring from supposed to change between timer triggers then? 2017-11-06T10:49:06 < DelvingDeeper> zyp: Yes, but I might have made a mistake. I'll redo the code with the size set to the array size and re-run it. Thanks for the help! 2017-11-06T10:49:21 < zyp> np 2017-11-06T10:55:38 < ohsix> boom boom 2017-11-06T10:55:41 < ohsix> room 2017-11-06T11:01:12 < qyx> am I allowed to overdrive a 5V tolerant pin if the injected current limit is met? 2017-11-06T11:04:13 < ohsix> how about a simpler question, if it were open drain; i still think you can damage it 2017-11-06T11:05:00 < qyx> but there are esd protection diodes 2017-11-06T11:05:21 < qyx> or tvs or whatever on 5V pins 2017-11-06T11:05:38 < ohsix> which part, been a while since i looked at the pin complexes 2017-11-06T11:05:55 < qyx> f042 2017-11-06T11:06:08 < qyx> because I was dumb and forgot to add a n-mosfet 2017-11-06T11:06:11 < ohsix> and electrical spec will show absolute maximum values, don't remember if any were over 5 2017-11-06T11:06:42 < dongs> qyx, are you autisming 2017-11-06T11:06:51 < dongs> i sense a disturbance in the wa 2017-11-06T11:09:01 < dongs> what is actually the question. input of 5V into gpio? 2017-11-06T11:09:49 < qyx> no, there is a resistor divider on the input of a switcher 2017-11-06T11:10:01 < qyx> and I need to adjust it by sw 2017-11-06T11:10:23 < qyx> so there is a pwm->lp filter->divider 2017-11-06T11:10:32 < dongs> and its > 5V? 2017-11-06T11:10:38 < qyx> but I didn't realize that it is > 5V 2017-11-06T11:10:52 < dongs> all my experiences of > 5V into STM32 ended with smoke 2017-11-06T11:11:30 < dongs> you should test it htrough like 1-10M resistor maybe 2017-11-06T11:11:31 < aandrew> why would you wan tto put more than that into an STM32 2017-11-06T11:11:52 < ohsix> because of a mistake 2017-11-06T11:11:54 < ohsix> already said hehe 2017-11-06T11:12:08 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-aqtgglczcehxpbim] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T11:12:46 < qyx> acually it is a TTa pin and there is a positive injection allowed up to 5mA 2017-11-06T11:12:56 < qyx> if the divider is 1M/1M it sdhould not damage it 2017-11-06T11:14:22 < dongs> i just bought z370 mobo and theres a fucking "RGB LED" connector on it 2017-11-06T11:14:26 < dongs> I thought in 2017 teh shit would be all WS2812 2017-11-06T11:14:29 < ohsix> spec says 5.5 is max with pull up disabled 2017-11-06T11:14:34 < dongs> read manual, its a fucking 12V/R/G/B 4 pin shit 2017-11-06T11:14:37 < dongs> for single color crap 2017-11-06T11:14:39 < ohsix> oh 2017-11-06T11:14:44 < dongs> the fuck are gamers living in the past 2017-11-06T11:14:55 < ohsix> for higher than vddio+0.3 2017-11-06T11:15:25 < aandrew> haha 2017-11-06T11:15:27 < aandrew> 12V LED 2017-11-06T11:15:31 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-06T11:15:36 < dongs> its for those chinese RGB strips 2017-11-06T11:15:39 < dongs> that are like 4 wires 2017-11-06T11:15:43 < dongs> and 3 leds/segment or wahtever 2017-11-06T11:15:45 < dongs> in series 2017-11-06T11:15:53 < aandrew> right 2017-11-06T11:16:01 < dongs> like what the fuck 2017-11-06T11:18:32 -!- Syke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T11:20:41 < dongs> and it comes with "3D print fan mount holes" 2017-11-06T11:20:49 < dongs> apparently you can download some 3d shit from asus.com 2017-11-06T11:20:52 < dongs> and print out your own fan headers and shit 2017-11-06T11:21:01 < dongs> MAKE:R pro 2017-11-06T11:27:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T11:30:24 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-06T11:30:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T11:35:02 -!- tardddd [a1354e23@gateway/web/freenode/ip.161.53.78.35] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T11:37:39 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-aqtgglczcehxpbim] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-06T11:39:04 -!- tardddd [a1354e23@gateway/web/freenode/ip.161.53.78.35] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-06T11:40:24 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dgrcogcrxhazxrui] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T11:45:38 < aandrew> heh 2017-11-06T11:49:28 < ohsix> https://jaycarlson.net/microcontrollers/ 2017-11-06T12:02:24 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T12:05:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-06T12:07:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T12:13:15 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T12:13:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T12:20:43 < qyx> ok, the stm32 didn't change into smoke 2017-11-06T12:20:51 < qyx> *turn 2017-11-06T12:25:35 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN43nNxXkAAL02s.jpg:large 2017-11-06T12:43:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T12:45:22 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-06T12:49:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T12:55:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T13:32:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T13:34:29 -!- enh [~enhering@179.177.49.159.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T13:45:10 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T13:57:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T14:08:32 < Thorn> I now have an original st-link/v2 2017-11-06T14:08:39 < Thorn> paid over $30 for it 2017-11-06T14:08:45 < Thorn> I blame englishman 2017-11-06T14:15:30 -!- enh [~enhering@179.177.49.159.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-06T14:16:28 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:1c86:8ed5:f761:c084] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T14:27:18 < DelvingDeeper> Anyone here familiar with assembler? 2017-11-06T14:29:27 < dongs> i use a real compiler, so i don't have to be 2017-11-06T14:29:28 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:1c86:8ed5:f761:c084] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-06T14:29:45 * karlp hi5s dongs 2017-11-06T14:30:09 < DelvingDeeper> dongs: same here, just tryin to figure out why I can't toggle a pin faster than 14 MHz 2017-11-06T14:30:40 < DelvingDeeper> Opened up the assembly and in the AHBPrescTable: theres a crap load of ; instruction: 0xffffffff 2017-11-06T14:30:53 < dongs> wat 2017-11-06T14:31:04 < dongs> 1) if you want to toggle pins at 14mhz, you use a timer 2017-11-06T14:31:43 < qyx> much mhz 2017-11-06T14:32:24 < dongs> (there's no 2) 2017-11-06T14:35:27 < Thorn> you're unlikely to complain after buying a $6,000 audioph00l cable 2017-11-06T14:35:37 < Thorn> same with dongs and his $6,000 compiler 2017-11-06T14:39:26 < DelvingDeeper> dongs: yeah I literally have just the GPIOC->ODR ^= GPIO_PIN_9; function in a main loop, although my supervisor mentioned that the datasheet says you can hit 108 Mhz, so I must be doing something wrong. Advised me to run it in the main and loop at the assembler. Still stuck on a hard 14 Mhz 2017-11-06T14:40:01 < Thorn> you don't need to reread ODR every time 2017-11-06T14:40:14 < Thorn> which is what that statement does 2017-11-06T14:41:35 < DelvingDeeper> Thorn: definetly true, ill change that 2017-11-06T14:45:31 < DelvingDeeper> Thorn: So it should be possible to hit like 50 Mhz by just toggling the pin on a 216 Mhz processor if everything is set correctly? 2017-11-06T14:46:06 < Ultrasauce> remember that time dongs was like "use a timer"? 2017-11-06T14:46:26 < Ultrasauce> that was pretty cool 2017-11-06T14:46:29 < Ultrasauce> fond memories there 2017-11-06T14:46:37 < Thorn> if it's F4, GPIO is on AHB so it is very fast, 1/2 AHB speed iinm 2017-11-06T14:47:03 < DelvingDeeper> Ultrasauce: Definitely >.< , I understand that. 2017-11-06T14:47:41 < englishman> Thorn: is on the path to being a pro developer 2017-11-06T14:48:28 < DelvingDeeper> Thorn: perfect, its F7, so I think it's also 1/2 AHB. thanks for the help. Just trying to give my supervisor an answer, as the main should be able to give 1/2 AHB (without timers) 2017-11-06T14:48:41 * karlp rants about spi slves with irq pins. 2017-11-06T14:49:22 < Thorn> DelvingDeeper: btw, did you set GPIO to VERY_FAST and did you enable the compensation cell or wtf is it called? 2017-11-06T14:51:55 < DelvingDeeper> Thorn: I set it to very fast, went register by register via the ref manual. Compensation cell is completely new to me? I'll read up on it quick 2017-11-06T14:55:42 < Laurenceb> ur mum 2017-11-06T14:57:01 < qyx> wtf is actually the stm32f050 2017-11-06T14:57:12 < qyx> seems like it is not manufactured anymoar 2017-11-06T14:58:01 < Laurenceb> looks like an f042 without usb 2017-11-06T14:58:07 < Thorn> https://community.st.com/thread/25024 2017-11-06T14:58:30 < Thorn> it's now called 031 2017-11-06T14:58:57 < qyx> I got trolled 2017-11-06T14:59:02 < qyx> it has only 4K of SRAM 2017-11-06T14:59:03 < Thorn> which is weird, last digit means different set of peripherals 2017-11-06T15:02:13 < karlp> no, it does _now_, it didn't before :) 2017-11-06T15:11:01 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-06T15:15:38 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f8f0:bcd7:bc57:1357] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T15:23:27 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rvppdkmohynxtcza] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-06T15:24:02 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojileaiwkpwsktcm] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T15:25:16 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-06T15:26:03 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T15:53:04 < Laurenceb> https://hooktube.com/watch?v=aUMvwngs4qU 2017-11-06T15:55:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To4AcwA6QIw 2017-11-06T15:56:04 < Laurenceb> >You are one sick person. Anything to get clicks. 2017-11-06T15:57:58 < karlp> is that meant to be funny or even interesting? 2017-11-06T15:58:09 < Laurenceb> normies out 2017-11-06T16:03:17 < karlp> hrm, I wonder if this is a bug in the slave. 2017-11-06T16:03:34 < karlp> datasheet swears that irq gets pulled high as soon as you read the status register. 2017-11-06T16:03:41 < karlp> don't see that happening on the LA. 2017-11-06T16:18:48 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-06T16:19:01 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T16:19:32 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T16:21:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-06T16:25:06 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T16:50:20 < karlp> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/x-nucleo-lpm01a.html 2017-11-06T16:56:09 < dongs> cool 2017-11-06T16:57:29 < Rob235> $70 meh 2017-11-06T17:03:01 < zyp> wonder if it's worth getting and then snipping off the arduino shit on the bottom 2017-11-06T17:04:15 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T17:05:41 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-06T17:06:05 < dongs> on the bottom? 2017-11-06T17:06:08 < dongs> i see bullshit headers on top 2017-11-06T17:06:18 < zyp> this thing is a shield 2017-11-06T17:06:18 < dongs> bottom shjould be empty 2017-11-06T17:06:26 < zyp> you stack it on top of a nucleo 2017-11-06T17:06:28 < zyp> to measure it 2017-11-06T17:06:30 < dongs> no 2017-11-06T17:06:31 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T17:06:33 < dongs> read the shit 2017-11-06T17:06:37 < dongs> it runs standalone 2017-11-06T17:06:44 < dongs> it has a lcd and joystick and runs wahtever measurement firmware on it 2017-11-06T17:06:45 < zyp> I did 2017-11-06T17:06:46 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/group0/f7/ff/95/ce/29/53/49/98/DM00406577/files/DM00406577.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00406577.pdf 2017-11-06T17:06:49 < zyp> see page 12 2017-11-06T17:07:17 < dongs> ohw waht teh fuck 2017-11-06T17:07:22 < dongs> yeah i jsut re-read the standalone mode part 2017-11-06T17:07:26 < dongs> it means vs connected to pc by usb 2017-11-06T17:07:27 < dongs> aids. 2017-11-06T17:07:34 < zyp> this board runs standalone, but you stack it on top of the DUT 2017-11-06T17:07:43 < zyp> can stack it on top of the DUT 2017-11-06T17:08:03 < zyp> pages 20-22 have the three ways of using it 2017-11-06T17:08:35 < zyp> the XH-connector being the third way of connecting a DUT 2017-11-06T17:09:41 < zyp> I figure the shit on the bottom is not interesting and might get caught up in other mess on the desk, so it could be snipped off 2017-11-06T17:09:51 < zyp> but the rest doesn't look so bad 2017-11-06T17:10:20 < dongs> but what if you wanna measure power consumption of your retarduino UNO 2017-11-06T17:16:00 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-06T17:17:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T17:24:35 < dongs> pal picked up one of these things 2017-11-06T17:24:36 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2QDVM0X9B0WKX/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00ZR1AD4A 2017-11-06T17:24:48 < dongs> was hoping to get >1gbit transfer speeds 2017-11-06T17:24:53 < dongs> but that review is spot on 2017-11-06T17:24:57 < dongs> what hte fuck is prolific doing 2017-11-06T17:25:06 < dongs> how the fuck can you sell a USB3/5gbps thing that only does 33meg/sec 2017-11-06T17:33:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T17:39:28 < upgrdman> typical chinese guy https://gfycat.com/CorruptBarrenAfricanclawedfrog 2017-11-06T17:45:26 -!- sterna1 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would allow for 2017-11-06T19:13:12 < sync> idk, if it just replays the magstripe it cannot do that 2017-11-06T19:13:22 < Ultrasauce> maybe read the link 2017-11-06T19:13:30 < sync> I did 2017-11-06T19:14:02 < dfgg> haha, old stuff 2017-11-06T19:14:03 < dfgg> https://abzman2k.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/magnetic-card-emulator/ 2017-11-06T19:22:41 < englishman> maybe because its slightly more obvious if you lose your phone than a card 2017-11-06T19:37:47 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-06T20:01:37 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-06T20:34:34 < Steffanx> kakimir music times: https://youtu.be/p_ibvQPacD8?t=29s 2017-11-06T20:34:39 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T20:36:05 < invzim> upgrdman: https://photos.app.goo.gl/a2ZYza3SxlUgftHG3 2017-11-06T20:36:15 < invzim> got allpcb boars today 2017-11-06T20:36:48 < Steffanx> ugly china silk 2017-11-06T20:36:52 < upgrdman> invzim, hmm. looks similar to dirtypcbs. ok. 2017-11-06T20:36:53 < invzim> soldermask is ok, except where they just didn't care 2017-11-06T20:36:59 < Steffanx> but that is known.. 2017-11-06T20:37:11 < invzim> alignment is better than the last I got from pcbway 2017-11-06T20:37:30 < invzim> the hasl seems a little thick, but may just be the color of the mask 2017-11-06T20:37:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T20:38:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-06T20:38:12 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T20:38:23 < invzim> the silk isn't actually terrible, it's 30x7 mil 2017-11-06T20:39:04 < invzim> oh, and got 15 instead of 10 - I need 1 or 2.. 2017-11-06T20:39:27 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-06T20:46:09 -!- branjb 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< jpa-> nah, the silk is pretty bad 2017-11-06T21:32:51 < jpa-> though legible, so who cares 2017-11-06T21:38:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T21:39:32 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-06T21:49:04 < karlp> invzim: were you intending to have some vias tented, some not? 2017-11-06T21:50:19 < upgrdman> looks more like cheap china tenting 2017-11-06T21:50:36 < upgrdman> poor process control, so they look like ass 2017-11-06T21:51:36 < upgrdman> i had similar but less-extreme tent fuckery when i used dirtypcbs: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/first2layerPcb.jpg 2017-11-06T21:52:42 < karlp> upgrdman: that was what I was more expecting, was just curious ;) 2017-11-06T21:54:57 < upgrdman> when i get ENIG from dirtypcbs the tenting looks a little better, but its still very chinese 2017-11-06T21:55:32 < upgrdman> e.g. only slightly better mask alignment 2017-11-06T21:58:06 < upgrdman> totally off topic: anyone know what the ideal-ish cleaner is to remove skin oils/dirt from painted walls? e.g. that dirty look around light switches, etc. 2017-11-06T21:58:30 < upgrdman> Simple Green "works" but isn't amazeballs. 2017-11-06T22:01:31 < karlp> depends on the paint, but I just use a warm damp cloth. 2017-11-06T22:01:50 < karlp> if it gets beyond that, you're starting to look at time for a paint 2017-11-06T22:02:03 < karlp> or. like, stop smoking inside, that sort of thing :) 2017-11-06T22:02:06 < upgrdman> ya that sounds like more effort than SG 2017-11-06T22:02:50 < upgrdman> i dont smoke :) and its not that extreme. they're all clean now. i was just thinking for later on. sometimes there an amazing solvent for problems where it cuts through it "like a hot knife through butter" 2017-11-06T22:05:13 < Fleck> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/11/intel-will-ship-processors-with-integrated-amd-graphics-and-memory/ 2017-11-06T22:05:44 < upgrdman> ya saw that earlier 2017-11-06T22:05:54 < upgrdman> kinda hope that makes it into the next surface bro 2017-11-06T22:06:00 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-06T22:06:18 < upgrdman> the current intel anus graphics pro isn't quite good enough 2017-11-06T22:09:47 < Fleck> don't care about sourface 2017-11-06T22:09:57 < upgrdman> well fuck you too 2017-11-06T22:11:05 < Fleck> you 3 2017-11-06T22:11:14 < upgrdman> yay 2017-11-06T22:11:45 < upgrdman> it'd be hilarious if laptops came with that, PLUS a discrete nvidia gpu. triple gpu FTW 2017-11-06T22:13:38 < Steffanx> When did you get into kakimir more, Fleck? 2017-11-06T22:13:43 < Steffanx> *mode 2017-11-06T22:14:19 < Fleck> no, I am in Fleck mode all the time if you haven't noticed... I am no suckup 2017-11-06T22:15:14 < Steffanx> Yet you started to talk like him :P 2017-11-06T22:15:16 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dgrcogcrxhazxrui] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-06T22:15:23 < sync> haha upgrdman 2017-11-06T22:15:49 < invzim> , 2017-11-06T22:16:02 < invzim> karlp: all via's should have 0 expansion, i.e. tented 2017-11-06T22:16:17 < invzim> I think 2017-11-06T22:18:53 < invzim> hm, my rules actually sayd 0.152mm for mask sliver 2017-11-06T22:19:57 < invzim> yup, solder mask expansion for isvia -10mm 2017-11-06T22:20:32 < Fleck> Steffanx: I have better question for you, but ohh, well, lets forget it 2017-11-06T22:21:36 < Steffanx> I like better questions, go go go go Fleck. 2017-11-06T22:27:30 < Steffanx> Why so hateful lately Fleck? Did ##stm32 do that to you? 2017-11-06T22:30:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T22:31:08 < Fleck> slow down your imagination Steffanx :D 2017-11-06T22:31:31 < Steffanx> not imagination, observation. 2017-11-06T22:31:47 < Fleck> ohh, then eye doc... :) 2017-11-06T22:33:47 < Fleck> I am in far corner from haters in this channel, how blink one can be not to see that :D 2017-11-06T22:35:08 < Fleck> dooh, s/blink/blind :D 2017-11-06T22:36:27 < Steffanx> ^ 2017-11-06T22:37:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T22:38:37 < Laurenceb_> > Tiger Assaults Russian Occupiers of Konigsberg in Anti-Semitic Outburst 2017-11-06T22:38:49 < Laurenceb_> >Occupiers threw stones to deter him 2017-11-06T22:38:49 < Laurenceb_> >Neo-Nazis tell the tiger to fuck off back to his own country in dramatic betrayal of the valiant creature 2017-11-06T22:45:48 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:8dcc:c2b0:7574:f814] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T22:46:13 < englishman> Steffanx: this batch of SN74LVC2T45DCU from arrow looks different from every other batch of SN74LVC2T45DCU i've ever received. am i boned y/y/y 2017-11-06T22:47:19 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/YFU3zBl 2017-11-06T22:47:24 < Steffanx> enlighten me mr englishman 2017-11-06T22:47:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-06T22:48:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-06T22:48:45 < englishman> show me on the doll where you were enlightened 2017-11-06T22:50:16 < Laurenceb_> eat your cereal 2017-11-06T22:50:32 < Steffanx> Did Laurenceb_ infect you with humorless, englishman? 2017-11-06T22:50:53 < Laurenceb_> 2day I got moneys for vibration 2017-11-06T22:59:52 < Laurenceb_> >go to chans 2017-11-06T22:59:54 < Laurenceb_> >look at thread after a break 2017-11-06T23:00:07 < Laurenceb_> >suddenly everyone is retarded 2017-11-06T23:00:13 < Laurenceb_> >what happened? 2017-11-06T23:00:21 < Laurenceb_> >realise I was looking at a /pol/ by mistake 2017-11-06T23:03:12 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T23:04:29 < Laurenceb_> the sutherland shooter was probably angry at being born with no ears 2017-11-06T23:04:45 < Laurenceb_> either that or he was created with that neural network that screws up ears 2017-11-06T23:05:56 < jadew> what are you talking about? 2017-11-06T23:07:46 < Laurenceb_> https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/devin-patrick-kelley-shooter-ftr.jpg?w=620 2017-11-06T23:08:02 < jadew> just found out about that 2017-11-06T23:08:25 < jadew> isn't texas supposed to be safe from this sort of stuff? because everyone has a gun 2017-11-06T23:11:15 < jadew> oh, apparently that's what stopped him 2017-11-06T23:11:54 < jadew> "Martin praised the efforts of “two Good Samaritans” who responded to the shooting, saying that a resident who lives near the church heard what was happening and began firing his own rifle at the attacker, hitting him at least once." 2017-11-06T23:13:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T23:14:19 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-111-9.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T23:15:41 < Laurenceb_> clearly Texas needs AI killbots 2017-11-06T23:18:21 < jadew> I think new countries should be formed, since most of the world is unsafe 2017-11-06T23:18:31 < kakimir> unsafe? 2017-11-06T23:18:58 < jadew> and only sane people should be allowed there 2017-11-06T23:19:11 < jadew> kakimir, is it not? 2017-11-06T23:19:21 < kakimir> how do you measure sane? 2017-11-06T23:19:39 < jadew> I think IQ is a good measure 2017-11-06T23:20:14 < kakimir> it isn't 2017-11-06T23:21:14 < jadew> it's probably better than most and it would ensure that the offsprings of those people are unlikely to be crazy and violent 2017-11-06T23:22:06 < kakimir> you are reffering to animalistic behaiviour 2017-11-06T23:22:12 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-06T23:22:26 < kakimir> not whole spectre of crazy and violent 2017-11-06T23:22:32 < jadew> yeah, not necessarily to having stuff misfireing in your brain 2017-11-06T23:22:32 < kakimir> *spectrum 2017-11-06T23:22:43 < jadew> yeah, just stupid resulting in crazy behaviour 2017-11-06T23:23:28 < jadew> I'm sure most people have rage episodes in their lives, but they can self-regulate 2017-11-06T23:24:09 < kakimir> temper and inteligence are not the same 2017-11-06T23:24:14 < jadew> the closer to an ape you are the more difficult it will be for you to do that 2017-11-06T23:24:20 < jadew> it's not about temper 2017-11-06T23:24:33 < kakimir> okay.. interesting 2017-11-06T23:24:36 < jadew> it's about being able to restrain yourself 2017-11-06T23:26:41 < jadew> I think it also has to do with your ability to control the world around you with your words 2017-11-06T23:27:48 < jadew> the better you are at it, the lower the chances that you'll have to resort to violence to get things your way in your life, so you won't have events that would reinforce the idea that violence works 2017-11-06T23:28:45 < jadew> or just going bezerk... you don't even have to be violent to start developing those mental processes 2017-11-06T23:29:29 < jadew> superbia, some guy in texas killed a bunch of people in a church 2017-11-06T23:29:51 < jadew> because he had a quarrel with his mother in law 2017-11-06T23:30:00 < Laurenceb_> >Texas man 2017-11-06T23:30:23 < jadew> aparently that's what stopped him 2017-11-06T23:30:49 < jadew> some random guy started shooting at him (but I don't think he was attending the church) 2017-11-06T23:31:42 < jadew> what flag is that? 2017-11-06T23:32:11 < sync> I think coratia 2017-11-06T23:32:58 < jadew> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Flag_of_Croatia.svg/2000px-Flag_of_Croatia.svg.png 2017-11-06T23:33:05 < jadew> seems like it, yeah 2017-11-06T23:33:14 < upgrdman> flag looks too complex 2017-11-06T23:33:34 < upgrdman> espically for such a small pissant country ;) 2017-11-06T23:34:03 < munki_> it would be cool if there was like 2017-11-06T23:34:08 < munki_> stm32 simulator online somewhere 2017-11-06T23:34:10 < Laurenceb_> Hurry! I hear that Elon Musk is in need of an Arduino sketch from a self balancing robot to help with his Space-X thing’s landing. 2017-11-06T23:34:16 < munki_> is anyone aware of this 2017-11-06T23:34:38 < jadew> lol Laurenceb 2017-11-06T23:34:53 < upgrdman> munki_, prolly not. anything past blinking an LED would be non-trivial 2017-11-06T23:35:07 < upgrdman> it would likely require RE'ing the silicon 2017-11-06T23:35:21 < munki_> yeah 2017-11-06T23:35:22 < munki_> shame 2017-11-06T23:35:26 < upgrdman> to IP theft of the HDL 2017-11-06T23:35:39 < munki_> there's like cloud fpga right 2017-11-06T23:36:05 < upgrdman> well from a functionality perspective, fpgas can be very simple 2017-11-06T23:36:19 < upgrdman> at least the "classic" fpga, not the new RFSoC etc 2017-11-06T23:38:24 < munki_> yea 2017-11-06T23:38:27 < munki_> i just wish there was like 2017-11-06T23:38:48 < munki_> some sort of way i could do some embedded dev work without having my device with me all the time 2017-11-06T23:39:10 < upgrdman> dev board + web cam? ;) 2017-11-06T23:39:11 < munki_> and some more advanced planning 2017-11-06T23:39:22 < munki_> haha 2017-11-06T23:39:34 < munki_> it would be cool to do more advanced board design virtually tho 2017-11-06T23:39:49 < upgrdman> gdb works over the network, can flash and debug from across the globe :) 2017-11-06T23:40:01 < munki_> yeah true 2017-11-06T23:40:13 < munki_> but you have to have all your peripherals connected already for that to make sense 2017-11-06T23:41:16 * upgrdman imagines an stm32disco, a breadboard, and a bunch of breakout boards. then a MASSIVE automated crossbar switch from the old telephone eta. 2017-11-06T23:41:25 < munki_> hahaha 2017-11-06T23:41:31 < munki_> that would be so lit 2017-11-06T23:41:34 < upgrdman> would be kinda fun to see 2017-11-06T23:41:38 < munki_> cloud scale prototyping 2017-11-06T23:41:39 < upgrdman> but also super autistic 2017-11-06T23:41:49 < munki_> have like each pin from each breakoutboard 2017-11-06T23:41:56 < munki_> matrix'd out to each possible pin from the disco 2017-11-06T23:42:08 < munki_> could be a good use for an fpga i guess right 2017-11-06T23:43:12 < munki_> have every pin from the disco and every pin from the breakout boards connected to different pins on the fpga and just define which ones are connected in hdl 2017-11-06T23:55:16 < Laurenceb_> inventions for your autistic manchild 2017-11-06T23:55:25 < Laurenceb_> sounds ##stm32 worthy 2017-11-06T23:56:27 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gjbshvnichkvcqeh] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-06T23:57:50 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-06T23:58:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@ext-06.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-06T23:59:19 < munki_> yea --- Day changed Tue Nov 07 2017 2017-11-07T00:00:41 < Laurenceb_> modern chris chan makes old chris chan look cool 2017-11-07T00:00:43 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/af4uAJermHs/hqdefault.jpg 2017-11-07T00:00:49 < munki_> just need a lady aids breakoutboard pack 2017-11-07T00:00:50 < munki_> or something 2017-11-07T00:01:22 < Laurenceb_> http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/OnNb4n81.jpg 2017-11-07T00:02:02 < kakimir> why uk went to shit 2017-11-07T00:02:24 < Laurenceb_> it did? 2017-11-07T00:02:59 < jadew> I thought of that solution to the "how to bang a lesbian" problem, but it wasn't accessible to me 2017-11-07T00:03:01 < kakimir> I wouldn't know 2017-11-07T00:03:08 < jadew> I guess that guy just didn't care 2017-11-07T00:05:49 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: i actually use an arm dev board and usbip 2017-11-07T00:05:58 < Steffanx> So what is the problem with the arrow ics mr englishman ? 2017-11-07T00:06:02 < upgrdman> whats usbip 2017-11-07T00:06:13 < BrainDamage> exactly what the name implies 2017-11-07T00:06:22 < invzim> christ, qfp 144 with exposed gnd pad is a royal pita 2017-11-07T00:06:51 < jadew> to route? 2017-11-07T00:06:51 < BrainDamage> this way if i ever fry shit at worst it's a cheap arm soc 2017-11-07T00:07:05 < invzim> to assemble 2017-11-07T00:08:06 < Laurenceb_> nice usbip looks good for muh projects 2017-11-07T00:08:15 < Laurenceb_> Rpi zero W -> vibration sensors 2017-11-07T00:10:08 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-07T00:20:15 < karlp> Laurenceb_: what problem will that solve? 2017-11-07T00:20:27 < kakimir> sync: were you serious when you said you put pulmotin salbe to your electric contactors? 2017-11-07T00:20:47 < Laurenceb_> how to get cables to the vehicles 2017-11-07T00:20:51 < kakimir> to remove oxidisations 2017-11-07T00:24:42 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T00:26:34 < karlp> it's got some very useful usecases, but when people use wireless devices, usbip isn't normally the first approach to getting data from them... 2017-11-07T00:26:59 < munki_> what if you have a usb device connected to your wireless device 2017-11-07T00:27:01 < karlp> do you already have a whole bunch of libusb host side code that's very explicitly expecting _only_ a usb device and that you can't reegineer? 2017-11-07T00:27:50 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T00:28:58 < capacitor> good morning Steffanx 2017-11-07T00:33:00 < sync> of course kakimir 2017-11-07T00:33:45 < kakimir> what do you think about DC4 silicone? 2017-11-07T00:35:12 < sync> for what? 2017-11-07T00:35:42 < kakimir> for connectors 2017-11-07T00:36:26 < sync> silicone is not great as I explained before 2017-11-07T00:36:35 < sync> it is ok if you only need to fill them once tho 2017-11-07T00:36:36 < kakimir> all way from root of the wire to connector leads to connector seal 2017-11-07T00:36:41 < kakimir> once? 2017-11-07T00:36:51 < sync> yes, fill them once and never disconnect 2017-11-07T00:36:55 < kakimir> why? 2017-11-07T00:37:37 < sync> I guess it'd be fine if you only disconnect the plugs without load 2017-11-07T00:37:49 < sync> but otherwise you will end up with sio2 on your connector 2017-11-07T00:37:50 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-07T00:38:23 < kakimir> I mean dc4 is used in vehicle use isn't it? 2017-11-07T00:38:39 < kakimir> in wiring harness connectors 2017-11-07T00:38:57 < upgrdman> sio2 == glass, right? 2017-11-07T00:39:05 < BrainDamage> yes, or quarz 2017-11-07T00:39:18 < kakimir> you are not connecting or disconnecting those while on load 2017-11-07T00:39:27 < sync> yes, then it is fine to displace water 2017-11-07T00:39:45 < sync> but say on relay contacts or mains switches, you should not use it 2017-11-07T00:39:51 < sync> that is where pulmotin comes in 2017-11-07T00:41:36 < kakimir> what was the ingredient you are looking for? 2017-11-07T00:42:32 < upgrdman> jizm 2017-11-07T00:42:43 < kakimir> poo 2017-11-07T00:42:50 < capacitor> oscilloscope 2017-11-07T00:44:23 < Laurenceb_> oh my sides 2017-11-07T00:44:25 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN6EiJAXcAAxGjF.jpg 2017-11-07T00:44:34 < Laurenceb_> Texas shooter fb page 2017-11-07T00:44:48 < Laurenceb_> >firendly athiest 2017-11-07T00:45:49 < capacitor> "fuck it" 2017-11-07T00:45:53 < capacitor> that's one way of saying it 2017-11-07T00:46:18 < kakimir> what else is happening atm. Laurenceb_ ? 2017-11-07T00:46:57 < capacitor> since US 'mass shootings' are a daily occurrence... maybe it is time for some comical spin 2017-11-07T00:47:30 < capacitor> enter the niggernator... starts his highscore challenge @ kfc 2017-11-07T00:47:34 < jadew> Laurenceb_, is that real? 2017-11-07T00:47:45 < Laurenceb_> apparently 2017-11-07T00:48:01 < capacitor> everything is real 2017-11-07T00:48:05 < BrainDamage> just play yakety sax while showing a fast forward version of the murder video 2017-11-07T00:48:32 < capacitor> lol 2017-11-07T00:48:46 < upgrdman> or better yet, play Dr. Dre - Ring Ding Dong 2017-11-07T00:49:19 < kakimir> every time there is shooting 2017-11-07T00:49:22 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TJ_Kirk 2017-11-07T00:49:31 < Laurenceb_> >In 2011, a series of sexually explicit videos were leaked of Kirk, the first involving a banana and later another involving hot oil 2017-11-07T00:49:42 < Laurenceb_> in depth research by wiki editors 2017-11-07T00:49:43 < kakimir> you need to look what else is also happening 2017-11-07T00:50:01 < Laurenceb_> >citation needed 2017-11-07T00:50:59 < upgrdman> oh wait, best would be Biggie Smalls - Who Shot Ya 2017-11-07T00:51:02 < englishman> munki_: brb starting STM32aaS service 2017-11-07T00:51:14 < kakimir> every time there is some useless scandal you also need to look what else is happening 2017-11-07T00:51:32 < munki_> englishman: lol 2017-11-07T00:51:35 < Laurenceb_> an stm32 sex scandal? 2017-11-07T00:51:36 < munki_> i wonder if there is a market for that 2017-11-07T00:51:37 < Laurenceb_> oh wait 2017-11-07T00:51:52 < Laurenceb_> only eternal wizardry here 2017-11-07T00:52:37 < englishman> speak for yourself 2017-11-07T00:52:55 < BrainDamage> ^ 2017-11-07T00:56:25 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/998/096/4a3.jpg 2017-11-07T00:57:49 < capacitor> transgender roller derby 2017-11-07T00:57:53 < englishman> Steffanx: well i won't know until they are fully assembled right 2017-11-07T01:00:04 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gjbshvnichkvcqeh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T01:01:48 < englishman> hello capacitor 2017-11-07T01:02:45 < capacitor> hi sir 2017-11-07T01:04:34 < capacitor> If people can release new games on the sega genesis.... i'm releasing sophie's transgender roller derby (tm) for ms-dos on 2 5.25" floppy disks 2017-11-07T01:07:27 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj4gar5dKAU koenigsegg world record for production car 2017-11-07T01:08:08 < kakimir> second run 2017-11-07T01:08:56 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:8dcc:c2b0:7574:f814] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-07T01:09:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how to get my virginity back? 2017-11-07T01:10:36 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tfanrdaxmewljvcn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T01:18:11 < capacitor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4anxZR1Sgs 2017-11-07T01:34:07 < Laurenceb_> http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/20/thomas-jefferson-the-face-of-a-rapist/ 2017-11-07T01:34:12 < Laurenceb_> typical murican 2017-11-07T01:35:39 < capacitor> lol 2017-11-07T01:35:59 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tfanrdaxmewljvcn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T01:38:12 < jadew> if he didn't fuck her, they'd say he was a racist 2017-11-07T01:38:26 < jadew> you can't win with these people 2017-11-07T01:39:12 < Laurenceb_> >country literally founded by a slavefucker 2017-11-07T01:40:58 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xazlgunddnoertlb] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T01:41:24 < capacitor> thomas raperson 2017-11-07T01:41:34 < capacitor> kevin rapey 2017-11-07T01:41:37 < capacitor> harvey rapestein 2017-11-07T01:43:33 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xazlgunddnoertlb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-07T01:46:30 < jadew> any ideas on how likely it is to get linux to run on an old tablet? 2017-11-07T01:47:13 < jadew> piece of shit lenovo gave up on supporting their tablet 1 after ~ 2 years 2017-11-07T01:47:26 < kakimir> did you say tablet? 2017-11-07T01:47:28 < jadew> it had only one firmware update 2017-11-07T01:47:41 < kakimir> what platform? 2017-11-07T01:47:46 < jadew> android 2017-11-07T01:48:05 < kakimir> arch 2017-11-07T01:48:06 < kakimir> ? 2017-11-07T01:48:22 < kakimir> arch.itecture 2017-11-07T01:48:37 < jadew> well, I'd put anything, I'm just curios if it's something I should embark on or not 2017-11-07T01:48:59 < jadew> if it's going to eat more than a couple of hours, I don't want to do it 2017-11-07T01:49:00 < kakimir> I mean what processor does it have 2017-11-07T01:49:05 < jadew> ah 2017-11-07T01:49:28 < kakimir> what tablet model? 2017-11-07T01:49:28 < jadew> I don't know 2017-11-07T01:49:32 < jadew> the first one 2017-11-07T01:49:37 < jadew> thinkpad tablet 1 2017-11-07T01:50:10 < jadew> NVIDIA Tegra 2 Dual-Core 1 GHz processor 2017-11-07T01:52:20 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tyzthqgxqyuqwyoa] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T01:52:51 < jadew> I really liked it because it had a full size USB port 2017-11-07T01:53:30 < kakimir> did it go into shit? 2017-11-07T01:53:46 < jadew> no, it's still working, but it's slow 2017-11-07T01:53:58 < jadew> and most programs don't seem to work anymore 2017-11-07T01:54:05 < kakimir> what did you assume 2017-11-07T01:54:09 < kakimir> when you bought it 2017-11-07T01:54:33 < jadew> don't know, that I'd be able to keep installing android on it, forever 2017-11-07T01:54:45 < jadew> and always be up to date 2017-11-07T01:55:15 < jadew> can't wait for that law that prohibits this kind of shit 2017-11-07T01:55:33 < kakimir> lenovo was once okay 2017-11-07T01:55:42 < jadew> they were always shit 2017-11-07T01:55:51 < jadew> the moment they bought the thinkpad they started ruining it 2017-11-07T01:55:59 < kakimir> they were kind of okay overpriced shit 2017-11-07T01:56:10 < jadew> the only moment they were nice, was right after they bought it from IBM 2017-11-07T01:56:17 < jadew> because they didn't have enough time to fuck it up 2017-11-07T01:56:23 < kakimir> they bought motorola phones too 2017-11-07T01:56:35 < jadew> so that's going to be shit soon too 2017-11-07T01:56:35 < kakimir> new ones look like any generic shit 2017-11-07T01:56:43 < jadew> ah, so they already did it 2017-11-07T01:56:57 < kakimir> in span of one model I think 2017-11-07T01:57:03 < jadew> lol 2017-11-07T02:00:07 < kakimir> what car models have 9006 bulbs? 2017-11-07T02:00:39 < upgrdman> that's a lot of bulbs 2017-11-07T02:01:25 < capacitor> nice 2017-11-07T02:01:43 < kakimir> Among the models that are compatible with 9006 bulbs are Acura MDX, Audi A6, BMW M3, Chevrolet Avalanche, GMC Envoy, Honda Accord & Civic, Mazda Miata, Nissan Titan, Saturn Vue, and Toyota Camry. We have 9006s currently available for these and other models as well. 2017-11-07T02:02:06 < kakimir> fuu 2017-11-07T02:02:26 < kakimir> I need to get a car that fits these bulbs 2017-11-07T02:02:35 < upgrdman> whats so nice about 9006 2017-11-07T02:03:50 < kakimir> nothing 2017-11-07T02:03:58 < kakimir> I ordered wrong bulbs 2017-11-07T02:05:44 < dfgg> >ton of plastic 2017-11-07T02:06:03 < dfgg> counldn't it be sth like H7 or H4? ,_, 2017-11-07T02:06:18 < kakimir> jadew: isn't that first tablet like out-dated tech already? 2017-11-07T02:06:42 < kakimir> not like - a bit outdated 2017-11-07T02:07:11 < jadew> kakimir, sure, but I don't use it to play games 2017-11-07T02:07:42 < upgrdman> lol. target black friday ad shows the kindle table for $30. i wonder what the all cost to manuf it is 2017-11-07T02:07:48 < upgrdman> tablet* 2017-11-07T02:07:58 < jadew> ok, I want that 2017-11-07T02:08:22 < kakimir> you can't get tablet like that anymore 2017-11-07T02:08:30 < upgrdman> i mean fuck, if nothing else, it'd be neat to repurpose the tablet's lcd for $30 2017-11-07T02:08:35 < kakimir> but for industry use or so maybe 2017-11-07T02:08:42 < kakimir> with price tag accordingly 2017-11-07T02:08:50 < jadew> kakimir, what tablet? 2017-11-07T02:09:19 < kakimir> tablet that has all the function of first lenovo tablet 2017-11-07T02:09:31 < kakimir> connectors, real buttons and shit 2017-11-07T02:09:32 < jadew> ah, yeah 2017-11-07T02:09:41 < jadew> it's really nice in this regard 2017-11-07T02:10:21 < upgrdman> didnt some faggot in here like the Chewy brand of tablets 2017-11-07T02:10:39 < kakimir> connectorless is ideal but only when it's not to promote corporation hegemony 2017-11-07T02:11:07 < kakimir> it's future 2017-11-07T02:11:15 < jadew> upgrdman, looks like a nice tablet 2017-11-07T02:11:26 < upgrdman> ya looks nice, but cpu is weak as fuck 2017-11-07T02:11:37 < upgrdman> i guess it would be good for web browsing 2017-11-07T02:11:44 < upgrdman> and irc 2017-11-07T02:12:04 < kakimir> that was the time when I wished my phone would have more performance 2017-11-07T02:12:08 < upgrdman> i guess my demands are too high for the table form factor 2017-11-07T02:12:19 < jadew> I just want to read on mine 2017-11-07T02:12:33 < upgrdman> jadew, pdfs or web or what 2017-11-07T02:12:37 < kakimir> then came excess flash era and excess ram era 2017-11-07T02:12:38 < jadew> pdfs 2017-11-07T02:12:46 < upgrdman> iirc the eink kindles can do pdfs 2017-11-07T02:12:56 < jadew> I guess my perfect tablet would be slim, e-ink but with a slightly better refresh rate 2017-11-07T02:12:57 < upgrdman> i just wish they make a new kindle dx-sized one 2017-11-07T02:13:17 < jadew> I never used a kindle, but I saw one and it was a bit too small for my liking 2017-11-07T02:13:19 < kakimir> dx? 2017-11-07T02:13:35 < upgrdman> kakimir, ~10inch eink kindle 2017-11-07T02:13:38 < kakimir> is there A4 size e-paper readers? 2017-11-07T02:13:56 < jadew> kakimir, that would be impressive 2017-11-07T02:13:59 < upgrdman> there this, which looks nice but the web site reaks of dickstater marketing https://remarkable.com/ 2017-11-07T02:14:12 < upgrdman> i think they actually were a dickstarter or indiegofuckyourself 2017-11-07T02:14:36 < jadew> that looks nice 2017-11-07T02:14:39 < upgrdman> and sony has some half-assed jap 10 inch eink tablet 2017-11-07T02:14:44 < jadew> but do they have product? 2017-11-07T02:14:53 < upgrdman> that they arent even brave enough to sell outside of japanistan 2017-11-07T02:14:59 < upgrdman> fuck if i know 2017-11-07T02:15:14 < upgrdman> they claim to have sold many, but again, their whole web site looks scammy as fuck 2017-11-07T02:15:37 < kakimir> shit it's expensive 2017-11-07T02:15:52 < upgrdman> ya big eink always it. its very niche 2017-11-07T02:16:38 < upgrdman> so jadew will have to buy some used kindle on ebay since hes too poor 2017-11-07T02:16:41 < jadew> https://www.cnet.com/products/remarkable-tablet/preview/ 2017-11-07T02:16:48 < jadew> you're probably right 2017-11-07T02:17:24 < upgrdman> oh damn, that photos make it look like total shit. contrast ratio of maybe 5, lol 2017-11-07T02:17:42 < kakimir> ipads saturate markets 2017-11-07T02:17:44 < jadew> what's the biggest kindle? 2017-11-07T02:18:00 < upgrdman> that's one thing the newer kindles do very nicely. their eink when white actually looks very close to white paper 2017-11-07T02:18:10 < kakimir> how often do you need to recharge epaper reader? 2017-11-07T02:18:10 < upgrdman> jadew, kindle dx but its discontinued 2017-11-07T02:18:19 < upgrdman> the new 7" kidnle is the biggest iirc 2017-11-07T02:18:37 < upgrdman> kakimir, supposedly monthly or even less 2017-11-07T02:18:39 < jadew> oh, that looks good 2017-11-07T02:18:44 < jadew> the dx one 2017-11-07T02:19:38 < capacitor> dx4lifebro 2017-11-07T02:19:46 < upgrdman> dx == dicks 2017-11-07T02:19:47 < kakimir> does it have pen? 2017-11-07T02:19:52 < upgrdman> no 2017-11-07T02:20:37 < capacitor> http://www.dx.com/p/p6400-10x-500mhz-oscilloscope-scope-clip-probe-130cm-cable-369079#.WgD8RNCWaUk 2017-11-07T02:20:39 < capacitor> is this good? 2017-11-07T02:20:59 < upgrdman> buying test equipment from dx.com ... always a good idea 2017-11-07T02:21:12 < jadew> heh 2017-11-07T02:21:29 < upgrdman> im sure the chinese have mastered how to make a 500MHz passive probe. utterly mastered. 2017-11-07T02:21:50 < jadew> I have the 150 MHz ones, I used the ground clip 2017-11-07T02:22:00 < jadew> made a longer ground clip 2017-11-07T02:22:06 < kakimir> Sony DPT-RP1 2017-11-07T02:22:10 < kakimir> check it out 2017-11-07T02:22:16 < upgrdman> i try to use the ground SPRING for anything >30MHz 2017-11-07T02:22:29 < kakimir> 13.3" 2017-11-07T02:22:46 < kakimir> https://www.sony.com/electronics/digital-paper-notepads/dpt-rp1 2017-11-07T02:22:48 < upgrdman> ya thats the sony shit i mentioned 2017-11-07T02:23:04 < jadew> ok, that looks great 2017-11-07T02:23:18 < jadew> I could actually read books on that 2017-11-07T02:23:25 < upgrdman> or actually that might be a new version 2017-11-07T02:23:35 < upgrdman> i recall a bulky-er one 2017-11-07T02:23:44 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQO3-gQ3CmA 2017-11-07T02:24:07 < kakimir> jadew: *CONSUME* 2017-11-07T02:24:11 < jadew> 600 eur tho 2017-11-07T02:24:27 < kakimir> but that has that jap vibe 2017-11-07T02:24:34 < kakimir> they want that shit 2017-11-07T02:24:41 < capacitor> figured the 500mhz chinese one would be good for 20mhz right? 2017-11-07T02:25:04 < jadew> the 150 MHz one is good to 100 MHz for sure 2017-11-07T02:26:17 < capacitor> hmmm 2017-11-07T02:26:27 < capacitor> i just got the original riglols 2017-11-07T02:26:44 < jadew> did you break them? 2017-11-07T02:29:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-07T02:36:11 < talsit> dongs: was this you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mEuUrBIpWw&feature=youtu.be 2017-11-07T02:36:45 < englishman> lolllllllll 2017-11-07T02:50:49 < branjb> why does video stop before it hits someone 2017-11-07T02:51:24 < jadew> he probably used the camera to protect his scalp 2017-11-07T02:54:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-07T02:54:57 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=607IwJ-nhvo 2017-11-07T02:55:36 < Laurenceb_> autism intensifier 2017-11-07T02:56:17 < Laurenceb_> more concentrated autism than /britfeel/ 2017-11-07T02:56:40 * Laurenceb_ is rich 2017-11-07T02:56:47 < Laurenceb_> now I can indulge my autism 2017-11-07T02:57:20 < dongs> talsit: lol 2017-11-07T02:58:38 < Laurenceb_> UKP1.3M on vibrating babby 2017-11-07T02:58:51 < englishman> nice 2017-11-07T02:59:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah but costs are... about 1.2 2017-11-07T02:59:31 < Laurenceb_> 800k just to nhs, liek wtf 2017-11-07T02:59:33 < englishman> 1.2m Laurenceco consulting fee 2017-11-07T03:00:06 < sync> o0 2017-11-07T03:00:23 < Laurenceb_> also quango guy is not happy, apparently he thinks he got fleeched 2017-11-07T03:00:40 < Laurenceb_> he is going to personally attend our next milestone meeting 2017-11-07T03:00:48 < Laurenceb_> apparently this is v bad 2017-11-07T03:01:45 < Laurenceb_> if he asked me for impartial opinion, then yes, he got a shake down 2017-11-07T03:02:34 < englishman> who 2017-11-07T03:04:31 < Laurenceb_> funding quango guy 2017-11-07T03:04:39 < Laurenceb_> where the money comes from 2017-11-07T03:04:53 < Laurenceb_> well - ultimately uk taxpayers 2017-11-07T03:09:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T03:15:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T03:16:11 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T03:18:28 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T03:21:56 < Laurenceb_> Someone or something or some combination of people and things is using YouTube to systematically frighten, and traumatize children with fake cartoons, automatically and at scale, and it forces me to question my own beliefs about the internet, at every level, 2017-11-07T03:22:01 < Laurenceb_> serious news 2017-11-07T03:22:24 < jadew> Laurenceb_, it's true 2017-11-07T03:22:34 < jadew> I've faced the same issue with my kid 2017-11-07T03:23:25 < Laurenceb_> >letting ur kids watch youtube at random 2017-11-07T03:23:51 < jadew> there are fake cartoons (look like the ones they normally watch) and they seem harmless at first but then they descend into weird violence and super bad behaviour 2017-11-07T03:24:17 < jadew> it's not random, their entire feed would be filled with normal cartoons and then this shit gets injected in there 2017-11-07T03:24:55 < jadew> it took us by surprise at first, but now we're paying constant attention to that 2017-11-07T03:26:01 < jadew> Laurenceb_, mind sharing the link? 2017-11-07T03:26:12 < Laurenceb_> slashdot 2017-11-07T03:26:25 < Laurenceb_> news 4 nerds <- accurate 2017-11-07T03:29:23 < dongs> jadew, more like happy tree friends right 2017-11-07T03:29:39 < sync> jadew: do you have an example? 2017-11-07T03:30:48 < jadew> sync, 2 friends trick another friend with a smile on their face and they beat him up (kicking while he's down) 2017-11-07T03:31:04 < jadew> the friends being spiderman and other characters like that 2017-11-07T03:31:33 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-07T03:32:16 < jadew> real vile shit 2017-11-07T03:32:31 < sync> sounds like fun 2017-11-07T03:32:36 < sync> but I mean like a link 2017-11-07T03:33:05 < jadew> I may be able to find something, give me a sec 2017-11-07T03:33:24 < jadew> this was last year 2017-11-07T03:36:08 < Laurenceb_> I'm so confused 2017-11-07T03:36:27 < Laurenceb_> normally trolls dont go to such lengths for puny tier lulz 2017-11-07T03:37:14 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-111-9.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-07T03:40:09 < jadew> I can't find the list of channels that I've blocked 2017-11-07T03:43:43 < dongs> on irc? 2017-11-07T03:43:50 < jadew> on youtube 2017-11-07T03:45:34 < dongs> blah 2017-11-07T03:45:47 < dongs> this jap satellite radio sends current song playing in a fucking private PES 2017-11-07T03:45:53 < dongs> instead of using EIT P/F or something for it 2017-11-07T03:45:56 < dongs> what hte fuck idiots 2017-11-07T03:46:03 < dongs> AND its encrypted (the song name) 2017-11-07T03:46:18 < dongs> how am I gonna know what jpop im listening to! 2017-11-07T03:47:48 < dongs> at least its same keys as teh audio 2017-11-07T03:47:52 < dongs> lets see if i can make it readable 2017-11-07T03:52:04 < Laurenceb_> >not using the pro uk system 2017-11-07T03:53:40 < Laurenceb_> https://hackaday.com/2016/01/23/35-million-people-didnt-when-zynq-took-over-their-radio/ 2017-11-07T03:55:14 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-07T03:57:35 < dongs> Laurenceb_: lol @ just using a digilent FPGA board 2017-11-07T03:57:37 < dongs> as-is 2017-11-07T03:57:47 < dongs> with custom dongs around it 2017-11-07T04:12:07 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-07T04:19:14 < dongs> jadew: youre a vs pro can I save a region of memory to file 2017-11-07T04:19:27 < dongs> from debug window obviously 2017-11-07T04:20:51 < dongs> looks like not 2017-11-07T04:20:55 < dongs> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4155624/save-data-from-visual-studio-memory-window 2017-11-07T04:20:58 < dongs> gross 2017-11-07T04:21:41 < dongs> cant attach with windbg cuz im already attached with vstudio 2017-11-07T04:21:44 < dongs> man, what a fucking fail 2017-11-07T04:24:00 < branjb> that's hilarious 2017-11-07T04:24:08 < branjb> why develop a board when the dev board is cheaper 2017-11-07T04:25:12 < branjb> dongs soon you're gonna be at the airport and see the avionics tech doing mx and a bunch of arduinos behind the hood 2017-11-07T04:26:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T04:27:57 < dongs> jadew: fucking beep 2017-11-07T04:42:22 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/qqyw56t4cfwz.jpg 2017-11-07T04:50:54 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f8f0:bcd7:bc57:1357] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-07T04:52:51 < upgrdman> dongs, military drone shot down: https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ReadyImpartialFruitfly 2017-11-07T04:55:52 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-07T04:56:36 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T04:58:42 < dongs> military dong shut down 2017-11-07T04:59:01 < upgrdman> oh even better video of it being shot down!! 2017-11-07T04:59:02 < upgrdman> https://youtu.be/RX-YLA44TpY?t=100 2017-11-07T04:59:22 < upgrdman> after the hit skip a minute to see the aftermark 2017-11-07T04:59:41 < dongs> ALLAHU AKBAR 2017-11-07T04:59:49 < upgrdman> yes very akbar 2017-11-07T05:00:18 < dongs> damn thats some hge shit 2017-11-07T05:14:59 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T05:15:07 < sync> all the seekruts burning up 2017-11-07T05:15:18 < branjb> upgrdman is there a way to change the monkey in your telemtry viewer, or do I have to recompile it with a new stl? 2017-11-07T05:35:34 < upgrdman> branjb, for now you'd have to recompile. later on, after i polish the quat chart, i plan to make it changeable and also include plane/person/car models 2017-11-07T05:42:17 < branjb> penis model? 2017-11-07T06:05:24 < upgrdman> :) https://imgur.com/gallery/XVe5a 2017-11-07T06:05:35 < upgrdman> branjb, lol, probably not. 2017-11-07T06:26:31 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-07T06:28:59 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T06:33:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T06:43:55 < dongs> what monkey 2017-11-07T06:44:07 < upgrdman> dongs, my telemetry viewer program 2017-11-07T06:44:37 < dongs> what made you choose a monkey for it 2017-11-07T06:44:44 < upgrdman> this https://youtu.be/hooo9Ro06Bs?t=18 2017-11-07T06:45:07 < upgrdman> i used a monkey because it a mesh built into blender, and i didnt feel like modeling something 2017-11-07T06:45:19 < dongs> lol 2017-11-07T06:56:06 < Thorn> >dongs not complaining about freetard blender 2017-11-07T06:56:10 < Thorn> suspicious 2017-11-07T07:08:12 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-07T07:08:59 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T07:28:18 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T07:31:12 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-07T07:31:15 -!- day__ is now 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FIXME Some error */ 2017-11-07T08:42:55 < dongs> i guess make it something better than a endless loop 2017-11-07T08:46:22 < qyx> fuk the i2c, never ever touch the i2c 2017-11-07T08:46:32 < qyx> every time i touch it I fail 2017-11-07T08:58:09 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-07T08:58:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-47e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T08:59:21 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T09:31:47 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T09:33:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T09:46:21 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T09:47:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T09:55:05 -!- sterna 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< qyx> tested, not working 2017-11-07T11:12:49 < qyx> because I forgot to recompile the lib of course 2017-11-07T11:14:24 < dongs> what the fuck is this 2017-11-07T11:14:29 < dongs> { 2017-11-07T11:14:30 < dongs> }, 2017-11-07T11:14:40 < dongs> vstudio is giving me an error on a empty-body array declaration 2017-11-07T11:14:45 < dongs> is this some newfag gcc faggot extension 2017-11-07T11:15:36 < qyx> yes, not allowed 2017-11-07T11:15:43 < dongs> static const unsigned int decoder_kanji_table[][94] = { { 0xf00, blah = OK }, { }, <= NOT OK 2017-11-07T11:15:55 < dongs> qyx, except this code obviously builds with FAGGOTGCC 2017-11-07T11:15:57 < dongs> since its from lunix 2017-11-07T11:16:10 < qyx> you should -pedantic or whatever 2017-11-07T11:16:17 < dongs> i am not gonna use gcc, lol 2017-11-07T11:16:17 < qyx> I don't remember exactly 2017-11-07T11:16:31 < dongs> if anything I'm gonna be looking for a vstudio flag to disable this shit 2017-11-07T11:19:10 < dongs> struggling to find any practical real world use for ssize_t 2017-11-07T11:19:23 < dongs> i mean besides opensource masturbation 2017-11-07T11:19:42 < dongs> what situation would one have a use for signed size datatype 2017-11-07T11:23:30 < dongs> wow this tool used "restrict" isntead of __restrict 2017-11-07T11:26:11 < zyp> _______restrict 2017-11-07T11:26:29 < dongs> why opensource code always so shit? 2017-11-07T11:33:24 < zyp> better switch to C++, C++ allows empty initializer lists 2017-11-07T11:35:20 < karlp> dongs: shoulda used gdb to save a region of memory to file ;) 2017-11-07T11:36:02 < dongs> karlp: right 2017-11-07T11:36:13 < dongs> zyp, is that why it worked? 2017-11-07T11:36:23 < zyp> why what worked? 2017-11-07T11:36:30 < dongs> gcc compiled it 2017-11-07T11:36:33 < dongs> inside a .c file 2017-11-07T11:36:52 < zyp> what C++ allows doesn't matter when you're compiling in C mode 2017-11-07T11:37:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T11:40:54 < karlp> put a zero in {0}? 2017-11-07T11:41:08 < zyp> that's the right way of solving it 2017-11-07T11:41:18 * karlp can never remember which one is c and which one is c++ for explicit array null but remembers they are dumb an incompatible 2017-11-07T11:41:37 < zyp> incompatible how? 2017-11-07T11:42:57 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T11:43:05 < karlp> iirc last time I tried, {0} was _not_ valid in some c++ code, or triggerd some strictness warning, 2017-11-07T11:43:15 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-07T11:43:59 < zyp> hmm, yup 2017-11-07T11:44:05 < zyp> foo.cpp:3:24: error: initializer for aggregate with no elements requires explicit braces 2017-11-07T11:44:08 < zyp> struct foo_t foo[3] = {0}; 2017-11-07T11:44:39 < zyp> hmm, no, scratch that 2017-11-07T11:44:44 < karlp> http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/array_initialization notes section 2017-11-07T11:44:52 < zyp> my struct was empty, once I added some variables it compiles without errors 2017-11-07T11:45:05 < karlp> it claims that {0} should work in both c and c++ 2017-11-07T11:45:11 < zyp> it does 2017-11-07T11:45:20 < karlp> but I think I ran into gcc or clang or something giving out warnings on it when it shouldn't have been 2017-11-07T11:45:32 < karlp> and it might have only been since c11 or something that it was formally put in. 2017-11-07T11:45:42 * karlp shrugs I just remember there being pain and frustration 2017-11-07T11:46:59 < zyp> well, it raises shit if the struct is empty 2017-11-07T11:47:11 < zyp> "aggregate with no elements" 2017-11-07T11:48:54 < zyp> which in C is illegal in itself 2017-11-07T11:48:59 < zyp> foo.c:1:1: warning: empty struct is a GNU extension [-Wgnu-empty-struct] 2017-11-07T11:49:00 < zyp> struct foo_t {}; 2017-11-07T11:52:05 < dongs> i always use { 0, } 2017-11-07T11:52:15 < dongs> apparently , causes it to initialize or whatever 2017-11-07T11:52:33 < dongs> even if it doesnt, i just leave it there. 2017-11-07T11:52:41 < karlp> ah, I think it was when the first element of the struct was another struct, 2017-11-07T11:52:51 < dongs> i didnt write this shitty opensores stuff, im just making it build on windows 2017-11-07T11:57:06 < karlp> ok, might have been when I was trying out -pedantic? *shrugs* 2017-11-07T11:57:20 < karlp> {} causes warnings only in pedantic for c89/99/11 here. 2017-11-07T11:58:13 < karlp> ah, but older compiler does. 2017-11-07T11:58:27 < karlp> my old arm-none 4.7 gies all sorts of warnings on that 2017-11-07T11:59:42 < karlp> and 4.8, 4.9. 5.2 is fixed at least. 2017-11-07T12:00:12 < karlp> zyp: that's getting warnings from the {0} format, that was _meant_ to have been working. 2017-11-07T12:00:37 < karlp> and in those versions, the {} would _not_ give warnings. 2017-11-07T12:01:26 < karlp> so, tl;dr: use {0}, if you get warnings, update your compiler. 2017-11-07T12:11:55 < jadew> dongs, was sleeping, but I didn't know if you can anyway 2017-11-07T12:12:52 < dongs> you cant 2017-11-07T12:13:02 < dongs> not wihtout some bullshit extension written b some romanian hacker 2017-11-07T12:13:04 < jadew> if it was text, you could create a watch for that memory location and open it with the little magnifying glass icon 2017-11-07T12:13:08 < dongs> from that stacksexchange link 2017-11-07T12:13:14 < jadew> then you could copy it with ctrl + c 2017-11-07T12:13:25 < dongs> jadew: i did better, i selected teh hex part only (with alt-clic kor ctrlclick i forgot) 2017-11-07T12:13:29 < dongs> and pasted it into new file in hxd 2017-11-07T12:22:52 < karlp> https://www.globalfoundries.com/news-events/press-releases/globalfoundries-announces-availability-of-embedded-mram-on-leading-22fdx-fd-soi-platform 2017-11-07T12:32:22 < zyp> nice 2017-11-07T12:33:13 < zyp> are there currently other mcus with the main ram nonvolatile, apart from the fram msp430? 2017-11-07T12:38:14 < karlp> not that I'm aware of, but my friend int his has been saying there's more and more stuff that looks like it iwll be coming online, 2017-11-07T12:38:39 < karlp> some of the "shit's hard mixing normal cmos and this in the same project" has been getting easier and better tooling. 2017-11-07T12:38:43 < karlp> just think it's neat. 2017-11-07T12:42:57 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-07T12:43:01 < dongs> does anyone actualyl use MSP420 shit 2017-11-07T12:43:04 < dongs> such a garbage proc 2017-11-07T12:43:21 < zyp> I got the fram launchpad, but I never tried it 2017-11-07T12:44:17 < dongs> i got the free launchpad and kept it in a drawer for a year then sold on yahoo auctions to some dumb jap 2017-11-07T12:44:21 < dongs> i think i made $10 on it 2017-11-07T12:44:22 < zyp> keeping the entire system state in nvram seems convenient for low power stuff 2017-11-07T12:45:06 < zyp> just turn off everything and go to sleep, then wake up again whenever and keep going without reinitializing anything 2017-11-07T12:46:06 < karlp> I'd _love_ proper nvram. 2017-11-07T12:46:25 < zyp> especially for stuff that does energy harvesting, like nfc cards and whatever 2017-11-07T12:46:34 < karlp> even just so as not to have to fuck around with erasing and writing and sections and shit in flash, or detecting power fail properly and reliabily 2017-11-07T12:46:42 < karlp> just keep it in ram, no more work to do. 2017-11-07T12:47:23 < zyp> well, as a flash replacement it becomes a question of whether the price makes it worth it 2017-11-07T12:49:13 < zyp> heh, apparently there was an earthquake in norway this morning 2017-11-07T12:50:36 < zyp> news is full of people talking about how it's the "strongest in norway in ten years" and how scary it was 2017-11-07T12:50:44 < zyp> apparently it was magnitude 3.8 2017-11-07T12:59:48 < karlp> I'd be fine with just a small region of nvram, that just worked better than eeprom 2017-11-07T12:59:59 < karlp> I want unlimited writes and low write latency 2017-11-07T13:00:49 < zyp> fair 2017-11-07T13:02:38 < zyp> speaking of free shit, maxim sent me this spam yesterday: http://ic.maximintegrated.com/ENA_Survey_2017 2017-11-07T13:18:40 < dongs> haha, forwarded to my paranoid friend 2017-11-07T13:19:01 < dongs> is it a devkit for those ATSHA256 type shits? 2017-11-07T13:19:09 < dongs> whatever maxim clone stuff is 2017-11-07T13:20:16 < dongs> zyp, do you know any lunix tools that can tell waht encoding this is 2017-11-07T13:20:23 < dongs> E3 81 82 E6 B6 99 E3 81 AE E3 83 A1 E3 83 A2 E3 83 AA E3 83 BC 2017-11-07T13:20:28 < dongs> if i save it into txt and load into chrome its jap 2017-11-07T13:20:42 < dongs> but since they removed the encoding menu like 2 years ago 2017-11-07T13:20:50 < dongs> you can no longer force/tell what the encoding autodetected to 2017-11-07T13:21:09 < dongs> oh wtf im stoned its just utf8 2017-11-07T13:21:17 < zyp> haha 2017-11-07T13:21:42 < zyp> https://www.google.com/search?q=guess+encoding <- there's a bunch of shit to pick from here, it seems 2017-11-07T13:22:12 < zyp> I guess you'll like that Encode::Guess thing since you hate python 2017-11-07T13:22:38 < jadew> dongs, save it to text and open it into a text editor 2017-11-07T13:22:46 < dongs> < dongs> if i save it into txt and load into chrome its jap 2017-11-07T13:22:51 < dongs> literally waht i did bruf 2017-11-07T13:22:55 < jadew> yeah, not chrome 2017-11-07T13:22:59 < jadew> something smart 2017-11-07T13:23:11 < dongs> like................................................................... 50meg electron.io install? 2017-11-07T13:23:15 < dongs> no thanks! 2017-11-07T13:23:18 < jadew> geany maybe? 2017-11-07T13:23:22 < dongs> or was taht 500meg 2017-11-07T13:23:23 < dongs> um 2017-11-07T13:23:53 < dongs> anywho. confirmed utf8 now i gotta figure out how to separate this crap into actual useful data 2017-11-07T13:24:17 < dongs> this jap dtv encoding stuff is so gross 2017-11-07T13:24:25 < dongs> and its been like 10 years since i last fucked with it 2017-11-07T13:24:26 < dongs> forgot everything 2017-11-07T13:25:05 < dongs> http://www.minkycute.homeip.net/pukiwiki/index.php?ARIB%20STD-B24%E7%94%A8iconv%28gconv%29%E3%83%A2%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB 2017-11-07T13:25:10 < dongs> scroll down the pagef to t he insane graphs 2017-11-07T13:25:15 < dongs> http://www.minkycute.homeip.net/pukiwiki/index.php?plugin=attach&refer=ARIB%20STD-B24%E7%94%A8iconv%28gconv%29%E3%83%A2%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB&openfile=table2.jpg 2017-11-07T13:25:19 < dongs> like this shit 2017-11-07T13:25:26 < dongs> its some multi-plane-shift-based-crap 2017-11-07T13:25:54 < zyp> wat 2017-11-07T13:26:01 < dongs> character encoding 2017-11-07T13:26:09 < dongs> for EPG etc in jp broadcasts 2017-11-07T13:26:26 < dongs> because UTF8 wasnt cool enough 2017-11-07T13:26:41 < zyp> no, I'm thinking of that graph, it makes no sense to me 2017-11-07T13:27:01 < dongs> it makes perfect sense if youre a jap 2017-11-07T13:27:06 < dongs> http://www.minkycute.homeip.net/pukiwiki/index.php?plugin=attach&refer=ARIB%20STD-B24%E7%94%A8iconv%28gconv%29%E3%83%A2%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB&openfile=table1.jpg 2017-11-07T13:27:10 < dongs> this is related 2017-11-07T13:27:20 < dongs> basicalyl the chars are inside that group of stuff 2017-11-07T13:27:30 < dongs> and theres control/shift characters to swap whatever plane in/out 2017-11-07T13:27:39 < dongs> so the meaning of bytes changes to wahtever plane is shifted in etc 2017-11-07T13:27:47 < zyp> right 2017-11-07T13:27:49 < dongs> there's locking shifts, non-locking shifts, all sorts of crazy shit 2017-11-07T13:28:15 < dongs> thats a graph from official spec, I remember reading it like 10 yars ago 2017-11-07T13:30:12 < dongs> HXD edit->copy as C is fucking awesome 2017-11-07T13:35:40 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T13:41:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T13:41:24 < Laurenceb_> >I've seen some shit man 2017-11-07T13:41:30 < Laurenceb_> >*inhales bong* 2017-11-07T13:41:42 < Laurenceb_> >There were like… ships on fire and shit… Deckard did you know fires cant happen in space because they require oxygen? 2017-11-07T13:47:54 < zyp> no thanks 2017-11-07T13:50:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-07T13:55:05 < jadew> zyp, thanks for the free stuff link 2017-11-07T13:55:27 < zyp> np 2017-11-07T13:55:32 < zyp> what are you gonna secure? 2017-11-07T13:56:06 < jadew> I'm thinking it might be helpful securing software that comes with hardware 2017-11-07T13:56:49 < emeryth> good luck getting the datasheet 2017-11-07T13:56:56 < jadew> lol, really? 2017-11-07T13:57:45 < jadew> I never considered it before, but it could solve the counterfeit hw issue 2017-11-07T13:57:48 < zyp> "hey, you guys sent me this shit, pls let me sign the NDA so you can tell me how to use it" 2017-11-07T13:58:20 < dongs> jadew, nobody is gonna wanna use your shitty text editor if ti needs a parallel port dongle to work 2017-11-07T13:59:00 < jadew> dongs, no, I don't mean it as a security dongle, but embedded in a an actual hw product 2017-11-07T13:59:36 < jadew> altough, I don't see why you couldn't make your own thing 2017-11-07T13:59:44 < emeryth> jadew: this has been solved for years by using sim/smartcards 2017-11-07T14:00:10 < dongs> good fucking luck getting datasheet on a smartcard 2017-11-07T14:00:19 < dongs> or buying them from non-dodgy vendors 2017-11-07T14:00:31 < dongs> last time i worked with smartcard shit 2017-11-07T14:00:34 < zyp> haha 2017-11-07T14:00:34 < dongs> they shipped all the docs 2017-11-07T14:00:37 < dongs> on PAPER 2017-11-07T14:00:42 < dongs> with fucking company name plastered all over it 2017-11-07T14:00:48 < dongs> like 10kg of paper manuals 2017-11-07T14:01:22 < zyp> I tried inquiring about ST31, they weren't very interested in talking to me unless I wanted an annual volume of 100k 2017-11-07T14:02:55 < jadew> why do they do that? 2017-11-07T14:03:16 < dongs> to thwart tv pirates 2017-11-07T14:03:30 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1460/72/1460727016507.jpg 2017-11-07T14:03:33 < zyp> probably because there's not much point in an NDA if anybody can sign it 2017-11-07T14:03:48 < jadew> zyp, I mean why have a NDA at all 2017-11-07T14:03:51 < zyp> shame though, ST31 seems neat 2017-11-07T14:03:56 < jadew> from a manufacturer perspective 2017-11-07T14:04:06 -!- absynth [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T14:04:11 < jadew> it makes little sense, considering you want to sell your ICs 2017-11-07T14:04:42 < jadew> I'm sure they have reasons for it, but they're not obvious to me 2017-11-07T14:04:47 < dongs> manufacturer wants to sell a LOT of ics. 2017-11-07T14:04:54 < dongs> they dont wanna maintain a piece of shit product that 10 people use 2017-11-07T14:05:07 < zyp> well, a lot of smartcard stuff is mask rom based 2017-11-07T14:05:24 < dongs> also that 2017-11-07T14:05:44 < zyp> ST31 have some flash-based parts, but they have the same volume requirements for those 2017-11-07T14:07:47 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-07T14:13:32 < zyp> hmm 2017-11-07T14:14:28 < zyp> I'm building an ethernet bootloader for this workstuff, wondering what protocol to use for it 2017-11-07T14:14:39 < dongs> tftp? 2017-11-07T14:14:41 < dongs> obviously 2017-11-07T14:15:12 < zyp> if I should just make some custom shit right on top of ethernet, write some super simple IP/UDP shit or throw in entire lwip 2017-11-07T14:15:36 < dongs> just blindly accept firmware updates on broadcast udp 2017-11-07T14:15:48 < zyp> lwip seems super overkill since it won't be used for anything else 2017-11-07T14:15:48 < dongs> verify nothing 2017-11-07T14:16:57 < zyp> just IP and UDP without fragmentation is mostly just a matter of adding/removing headers, plus handling ARP 2017-11-07T14:17:53 < dongs> im sure keil has a IP library thats less bloated than lwip 2017-11-07T14:18:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T14:18:15 < dongs> y/y/y 2017-11-07T14:18:40 < zyp> heh 2017-11-07T14:19:17 < zyp> I think I'll start with raw ethernet and then write some IP/UDP shit when I have time 2017-11-07T14:24:38 < Laurenceb_> just use Rpi /troll 2017-11-07T14:25:22 < dongs> will the flasher app be written in python 2017-11-07T14:26:22 < dongs> GNU./troll 2017-11-07T14:27:27 < zyp> dongs, I figure so, at least as long as I'm the only one running it 2017-11-07T14:28:31 < dongs> ya cuz fuck trying to maintain such an app 2017-11-07T14:28:38 < dongs> k i got this jap EPG shit figured out 2017-11-07T14:29:16 < zyp> I mean, that's what I did for arcin 2017-11-07T14:29:32 < zyp> python stuff for my use, standalone .exe when I started distributing updates to people 2017-11-07T14:29:59 < dongs> waht was exe written in 2017-11-07T14:30:15 < dongs> if its just 50megs of python runtime thats cheating 2017-11-07T14:30:17 < zyp> C or C++, built with MSVC 2017-11-07T14:30:19 < karlp> there's also uip, which is from the same people, written many years later, and designed to be smaller... 2017-11-07T14:30:19 < dongs> o 2017-11-07T14:30:30 < karlp> and then picotcp too. 2017-11-07T14:30:37 < karlp> though I think picotcp is gplaids 2017-11-07T14:30:37 < dongs> wat about kontiki 2017-11-07T14:30:44 < dongs> or whatever that shit C64 IP stack was 2017-11-07T14:30:45 < zyp> karlp, I don't need TCP 2017-11-07T14:30:48 < karlp> yeah, contiki is lwip and uip. 2017-11-07T14:30:53 < karlp> same authors 2017-11-07T14:30:56 < dongs> oh 2017-11-07T14:31:19 < karlp> pretty sure uip and friends all have options to turn off tcp. 2017-11-07T14:32:01 < jadew> what's a website that allows you to make circuits and share them like pastebin? 2017-11-07T14:32:07 < karlp> falstaff? 2017-11-07T14:32:15 < karlp> or you know, github or anything 2017-11-07T14:32:38 < jadew> so you can see it online, without having to download it or anything like that 2017-11-07T14:32:44 < jadew> nvm, I'll just make a picture 2017-11-07T14:32:44 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:48f0:fa94:f4b0:4035] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T14:32:47 < zyp> might be, but IP/UDP alone seems thin enough that it might not be worth maintaining a third party integration vs just writing a simple implementation 2017-11-07T14:34:19 < dongs> it is falstaff 2017-11-07T14:34:28 < zyp> if I only care about packets small enough to not need fragmentation, it's just a matter of adding/handling headers 2017-11-07T14:34:29 < dongs> http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ rather 2017-11-07T14:34:40 < zyp> and replying to ARP stuff 2017-11-07T14:34:46 < zyp> hmm 2017-11-07T14:35:15 < karlp> 6lowpan was for solving all of this remember, 2017-11-07T14:35:18 < karlp> "fuck big packets" 2017-11-07T14:35:24 < zyp> if I don't want to maintain my own ARP table, can I just send unicast ip traffic to broadcast mac addr? 2017-11-07T14:35:36 < karlp> _maybe_ 2017-11-07T14:35:56 < BrainDamage> ipv4 or ipv6? 2017-11-07T14:36:03 < karlp> haven't actually looked at this in years 2017-11-07T14:36:10 < BrainDamage> because ipv6 has no broadcast, only multicast ranges 2017-11-07T14:36:42 < dongs> jadew: what teh hell is character type for UTF8 in vstudio 2017-11-07T14:36:43 < zyp> BrainDamage, doesn't matter, I said IP unicast 2017-11-07T14:37:01 < dongs> im tired of seeing gay squigglies in debugger 2017-11-07T14:37:06 < dongs> and i dont wanna use ucs 2017-11-07T14:37:25 < dongs> https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-ide/suggestions/4168312-add-debug-visualizer-for-strings-in-utf-8-encoding 2017-11-07T14:38:13 < dongs> oh, neat 2017-11-07T14:38:18 < dongs> that works in immediate window 2017-11-07T14:38:21 < dongs> ? data,s8 2017-11-07T14:38:32 < BrainDamage> mmm, iirc yes you can just send to broadcast mac 2017-11-07T14:39:23 < zyp> cool, guess I'll try that some time 2017-11-07T14:39:25 < dongs> i dont hav enough realtime data parsed yet but I think these japs send current song position 2017-11-07T14:39:26 < jadew> dongs, charw_t? 2017-11-07T14:39:28 < dongs> and length 2017-11-07T14:39:31 < jadew> or what do you mean? 2017-11-07T14:39:38 < dongs> jadew: no, just uint8 with utf encoded strings inside. 2017-11-07T14:39:50 < jadew> regular mb string should do 2017-11-07T14:40:16 < dongs> multibyte != utf8 2017-11-07T14:40:20 < dongs> multibyte shit is like windows default codepage 2017-11-07T14:40:22 < dongs> for wahtever locale 2017-11-07T14:40:24 < dongs> utf8 is utf8. 2017-11-07T14:40:32 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/nomH2lQ.png anyway, shit works 2017-11-07T14:40:38 < jadew> VS doesn't know what that is 2017-11-07T14:40:40 < dongs> good neough, dont have to save memory to .txt and open in chrome just to read 2017-11-07T14:40:44 < dongs> jade, it does if I do ^ 2017-11-07T14:45:54 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit 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would be 86 2017-11-07T14:56:27 < jadew> but re shouldn't have that big of an effect, since it should be in series with R3, no? 2017-11-07T14:56:42 < zyp> wikipedia says R_source / B, which even at 10k/100 would be 100, and any other shit should bring it down, not up 2017-11-07T14:56:45 < jadew> so what's the difference between 7.5k and 7.526k 2017-11-07T14:57:02 < zyp> so your figure of 86 sounds reasonable to me 2017-11-07T14:57:26 < jadew> zyp, well, it's ((10k || R1 || R2) / 100) || RE 2017-11-07T14:57:42 < zyp> exactly 2017-11-07T14:57:47 < jadew> but there's also the intrinsec emitter resistance, which is 25-26 2017-11-07T14:57:56 < jadew> but that should add to RE, not to the result, no? 2017-11-07T14:58:27 < zyp> why? 2017-11-07T14:58:39 < jadew> because it would be in series with R3 2017-11-07T14:58:57 < jadew> so RE would be R3 + re 2017-11-07T14:59:05 < zyp> yes, but it'd also be in series with R_load 2017-11-07T14:59:26 < jadew> yeah, R load is assumed to be high 2017-11-07T15:00:08 < zyp> sure, but for the purpose of the calculation, isn't Z_out == R_load 2017-11-07T15:00:34 < jadew> no, the load could vary 2017-11-07T15:00:45 < jadew> but Zout is what you see when you look through the output port 2017-11-07T15:00:52 < jadew> *into 2017-11-07T15:01:23 < BrainDamage> ((( ( Zin || R1 || R2 ) + beta/gm ) / 100) +re) || R3 2017-11-07T15:01:53 < BrainDamage> the base-emitter junction has an intrinsic resistive behaviour 2017-11-07T15:01:57 < jadew> hold on a sec, why do you add re there? 2017-11-07T15:02:13 < jadew> why don't you do || (R3 + re)? 2017-11-07T15:02:35 < zyp> because from the perspective of the output, it's in series with the entire input network 2017-11-07T15:02:39 < jadew> you're right 2017-11-07T15:02:41 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-07T15:03:22 < zyp> (this is one of the reasons I don't do analog shit) 2017-11-07T15:04:04 < jadew> BrainDamage, thanks 2017-11-07T15:04:15 < BrainDamage> don't forget the beta/gm term btw 2017-11-07T15:04:32 < BrainDamage> also called Rpi by some 2017-11-07T15:04:43 < dongs> rageberrypi 2017-11-07T15:04:44 < jadew> what does that account for? 2017-11-07T15:04:52 < BrainDamage> BrainDamage: the base-emitter junction has an intrinsic resistive behaviour 2017-11-07T15:04:56 < jadew> zyp, the challange is nice 2017-11-07T15:04:59 < BrainDamage> you're forward biasing a pn junction 2017-11-07T15:05:16 < BrainDamage> beta/gm is the linear approximation of the exp curve on the bias point 2017-11-07T15:07:53 < jadew> I'll have to look into that, cuz I don't understand it 2017-11-07T15:08:40 < BrainDamage> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bemFicfFoRw/UVz0kDkDuCI/AAAAAAAAAmk/LhyypCFTk6U/s1600/small+signal+diode2.bmp 2017-11-07T15:09:34 < BrainDamage> base-emitter is a diode, a diode is an exp, but having an exp is a pain in impedance calculations, so you take the tangent of the exp in the position where the static bias is 2017-11-07T15:10:03 < BrainDamage> and you get a linear i-v relationship, because that's what impedance is, a linear i-v relationship 2017-11-07T15:10:17 < BrainDamage> the coefficient of the tangent, has units of a resistance 2017-11-07T15:11:07 < jadew> why is it beta/gm? 2017-11-07T15:11:28 < BrainDamage> do the math and you'll know 2017-11-07T15:11:38 < jadew> I will, thanks 2017-11-07T15:12:38 < BrainDamage> this is often called 'small signal approximation' 2017-11-07T15:13:06 < BrainDamage> because as long as you don't move much from that bias point, you can pretend the exp is the tangent 2017-11-07T15:14:06 < sync> ah, that was my favorite semiconductor class 2017-11-07T15:20:33 < jadew> wish I was taking a class on these things 2017-11-07T15:21:00 < BrainDamage> there's plenty of online courses on this stuff, it's rather fundamental, also books 2017-11-07T15:21:22 < BrainDamage> ( notice by fundamental i don't mean necessary ) 2017-11-07T15:21:46 < jadew> yeah, I want to fill the gaps I have in understanding analog design 2017-11-07T15:25:23 < jadew> I don't really need it, but it feels weird to use things you don't fully understand 2017-11-07T15:26:15 < sync> the mosfet class was also very nice 2017-11-07T15:26:17 -!- brabo is now known as frosted-github 2017-11-07T15:26:25 -!- frosted-github is now known as brabo 2017-11-07T15:26:54 < jadew> I'll get to that too 2017-11-07T15:27:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-07T15:29:15 < Steffanx> Whats the source of your excercise jadew ? 2017-11-07T15:29:25 < dongs> O_6 2017-11-07T15:29:32 < jadew> Steffanx, the art of electronics 2017-11-07T15:30:17 < Steffanx> Ah ok 2017-11-07T15:30:35 < Steffanx> I love you tooo dongs 2017-11-07T15:30:43 < Steffanx> Want more attention? 2017-11-07T15:31:00 < Steffanx> Or should i ask: want whore attention? 2017-11-07T15:32:06 < dongs> just keeping the snr low 2017-11-07T15:33:29 < Steffanx> Better call in stvn 2017-11-07T15:41:26 < Steffanx> Have a copy of the student manual for AoE jadew ? 2017-11-07T15:41:45 < jadew> Steffanx, no 2017-11-07T15:42:16 < jadew> has exercises, right? 2017-11-07T15:42:47 < Steffanx> It has more i believe, dont own one 2017-11-07T15:46:04 < c10ud> yo, anyone knows a super cheap ethernet switch ic? 2017-11-07T15:46:34 < zyp> c10ud, what sort? 2017-11-07T15:46:38 < karlp> needs more details 2017-11-07T15:46:51 < zyp> rmii plus standard phys or just phys? 2017-11-07T15:47:02 < c10ud> cheapest, 10mbit, 3 ports 2017-11-07T15:47:04 < karlp> how many, what speed 2017-11-07T15:47:14 < karlp> heh, do they even still make 10mbit switch ics? 2017-11-07T15:47:20 < zyp> three phys or rmii plus two phys? 2017-11-07T15:47:36 < zyp> probably not, but 100 will probably do 2017-11-07T15:48:23 < c10ud> yes, uhh I'm not really into ethernet low level stuff, i just need to make it automagically route everything it receives over an antenna 2017-11-07T15:48:37 < c10ud> ipcamera on one port, custom hw on the other 2017-11-07T15:48:50 < karlp> heh, microchip's pricing colum does a alphabetical sort, not numeric. 2017-11-07T15:48:59 < karlp> $12 is "lower" than $2 2017-11-07T15:49:11 < c10ud> yeah i was looking at those too 2017-11-07T15:49:45 < c10ud> KSZ8863 seems the best choice cost-wise, at least for microchips 2017-11-07T15:49:58 < karlp> microchip will likely be the cheapest of the big vendors, 2017-11-07T15:50:11 < karlp> you can probably get something much more offspec on ali/taobao, 2017-11-07T15:50:22 < dongs> yeah or KSZ8794 etc. ex-micrel shit 2017-11-07T15:50:41 < zyp> I'm using a similar thing on this workpcb 2017-11-07T15:51:03 < zyp> KSZ8893 2017-11-07T15:51:10 < karlp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-RTL8304-RTL8304-GR-QFN48/32834753020.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.ddA465&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10068_10344_10345_10342_10343_10340_10341_10541_10307_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10539_10537_10536_10059_10534_10533_100031_10103_10102_5670011_10142_10107_5660011_5740011_10084_10562_10083_10561_10179_10312_10313_10314_10550_10073_10551_10552_10553_10554_10557_5650011-10552,search 2017-11-07T15:51:17 < karlp> gak 2017-11-07T15:51:19 < dongs> baww its nrnd 2017-11-07T15:51:19 < karlp> sorry 2017-11-07T15:51:23 < dongs> ncie url bbr 2017-11-07T15:51:24 < karlp> rtl8304 2017-11-07T15:51:26 < c10ud> getting a big vendor would be better, I don't think I'm going to make thousands of pcbs, so I'll stick with microchip then I guess 2017-11-07T15:51:41 < dongs> that RTL looks like a winrar 2017-11-07T15:51:42 < zyp> dongs, 8893? yeah 2017-11-07T15:51:49 < c10ud> at least there's some kind of datasheet :D 2017-11-07T15:51:52 < zyp> but the newer ones doesn't have repeater mode 2017-11-07T15:52:19 < karlp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/realtek-realwinning/32834753020.html is a solid vendor at least, that's their cheapest, smallest 10/100 switch ic 2017-11-07T15:52:20 < dongs> wahts repaeater 2017-11-07T15:52:23 < dongs> ghetto port mirror? 2017-11-07T15:52:25 < zyp> hub 2017-11-07T15:52:28 < zyp> basically 2017-11-07T15:53:06 < aandrew> realtek realwinning realgood 2017-11-07T15:53:37 < c10ud> uhhh I'm not really good at soldering those 2017-11-07T15:53:47 < c10ud> LQFP is better for me 2017-11-07T15:53:49 < c10ud> lol 2017-11-07T15:53:55 < aandrew> those aren't hard to solder. hot air man. a cheap hot air system is like $60 2017-11-07T15:53:59 < zyp> the shit I'm working on will have a bunch of devices chained, latency would be too high if every node needed to fully receive each packet before passing it on 2017-11-07T15:54:22 < aandrew> works fine for 4l although is a little slow with the exposed pad when it's solidly connected to an inner layer 2017-11-07T15:54:26 < sync> sounds like you need an ethercat device 2017-11-07T15:54:53 < zyp> sync, we opted for this solution because we don't want to pay for ethercat silicon 2017-11-07T15:54:54 < c10ud> I have it at home, but no time to master the youtube tecnique 2017-11-07T15:55:17 < karlp> who's the other cheapo network dude, are any still around other than realtek? 2017-11-07T15:55:24 < karlp> cirrus still do ethernet? 2017-11-07T15:55:27 < aandrew> what're you doing 2017-11-07T15:55:37 < aandrew> smsc (microchip) makes small switches IIRC 2017-11-07T15:56:03 < aandrew> I thought smsc, maybe micron? shit I can't remember whose switch I used 2017-11-07T15:56:08 < c10ud> yeah I'm oriented towards ksz8863 2017-11-07T15:56:15 < aandrew> micrel yes that's them 2017-11-07T15:56:21 < dongs> either that or chinaRTL are good choices 2017-11-07T15:57:31 < sync> zyp: ime the ethercat silicon is not that expensive 2017-11-07T15:57:34 < sync> and works 2017-11-07T15:57:48 < sync> I guess one could fiddle an fpga solution 2017-11-07T15:57:49 < c10ud> side question, did you ever try those 12V li-ion packs? same project, prototype runs on 12V pb but it feels...old 2017-11-07T16:00:13 < dongs> c10ud: you mean card lead-acid sized batt but li-ion? 2017-11-07T16:00:16 < dongs> card=car 2017-11-07T16:00:47 < c10ud> yep 2017-11-07T16:01:13 < c10ud> well, shape is not a problem though 2017-11-07T16:01:33 < c10ud> cost, as always, is 2017-11-07T16:01:44 < sync> > cost 2017-11-07T16:01:47 < dongs> just got one today 2017-11-07T16:01:52 < dongs> im pretty sure it cost way more than a leadacid one 2017-11-07T16:01:56 < c10ud> e.g. this would work https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-8000mAh-Super-Rechargeable-Portable-Lithium-ion-Battery-Pack-NEW-/182824402752 2017-11-07T16:01:58 < dongs> its a lot lighter tho 2017-11-07T16:02:07 < dongs> oh wut. 2017-11-07T16:02:08 < c10ud> 20$ is fine, 100$ is not 2017-11-07T16:02:09 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:02:16 < dongs> i think this thing was $400 2017-11-07T16:02:19 < c10ud> lol 2017-11-07T16:02:37 < c10ud> problem with those is I fear getting packaged sand lol 2017-11-07T16:02:42 < c10ud> or portable flames 2017-11-07T16:03:03 < c10ud> wouldn't work so well if I'm going to sell the device 2017-11-07T16:03:17 < dongs> https://www.powertechsystems.eu/home/products/12v-lithium-ion-starter-battery/ 2017-11-07T16:03:19 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:03:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:04:57 < sync> I just run a lifepo in my motorcycles 2017-11-07T16:05:31 < BrainDamage> c10ud: those wires are too think for the few hundred A the starter motor require 2017-11-07T16:05:41 < c10ud> i need 6W max. 2017-11-07T16:05:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T16:06:32 < BrainDamage> oh, then fine, you'll still want a charge controller tought 2017-11-07T16:06:49 < BrainDamage> lithium batteries don't tollerate abuse as much as lead acid 2017-11-07T16:07:17 < BrainDamage> you'll need at least low voltage cutoff 2017-11-07T16:07:17 < dongs> haha 2017-11-07T16:07:20 < c10ud> yep, that's not an issue, I did a charger for a single cell before 2017-11-07T16:07:25 < dongs> yes, they fucking send current song position in BCD 2017-11-07T16:07:29 < c10ud> 12V however is different 2017-11-07T16:07:42 < c10ud> also prices of dongs' modules are too high for me 2017-11-07T16:08:02 < dongs> https://pastebin.com/GuAY1zhX 2017-11-07T16:08:16 < BrainDamage> that's because those are to power actual cars 2017-11-07T16:08:24 < dongs> A0 = total length, A1 = current position 2017-11-07T16:08:29 < BrainDamage> dongs: what are you interfacing with 2017-11-07T16:08:38 < dongs> BrainDamage: parsing weird shit from satellite radio 2017-11-07T16:08:41 < sync> why are they sending the position in track 2017-11-07T16:08:42 < c10ud> i would be fine with chinese-like modules, just from a CEE approved salesman :) 2017-11-07T16:08:51 < dongs> sync, its satellite radio 2017-11-07T16:08:54 < dongs> so you know the song progress. 2017-11-07T16:09:04 < sync> yeah but why the fuck am I interested in that 2017-11-07T16:09:05 < sync> it is radio 2017-11-07T16:09:10 < sync> I cannot fast forward 2017-11-07T16:09:14 < dongs> haha so you can have a progress bar or someshit 2017-11-07T16:09:17 < dongs> but its clearly waht it is 2017-11-07T16:09:25 < BrainDamage> you can also sync a recorded that way 2017-11-07T16:09:29 < BrainDamage> recorder 2017-11-07T16:09:45 < sync> ok, yeah 2017-11-07T16:09:49 < BrainDamage> or switch channels intelligently to catch whole songs 2017-11-07T16:09:58 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:10:23 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-07T16:10:27 < sync> BrainDamage: ime 4s lifepo has been fine on just the motos charge system 2017-11-07T16:10:28 < Rob235> oi 2017-11-07T16:14:42 < dongs> now as a temp measure, i just need a windows app that watches a file 2017-11-07T16:14:45 < dongs> and redispalys it 2017-11-07T16:18:53 < jadew> I made something that watches a folder and executes a command when something changes if it interests you 2017-11-07T16:19:06 < jadew> you can probably find something that does exactly what you want tho 2017-11-07T16:19:43 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:19:52 < dongs> ya im sure it exists 2017-11-07T16:19:58 < dongs> fuck, wtf some of this data spans more than a single ts packet 2017-11-07T16:19:59 < wasutton3> anyone know why stm encrypts the pin names in their datasheets? 2017-11-07T16:20:06 < dongs> encrypts what 2017-11-07T16:20:12 < wasutton3> the pin names 2017-11-07T16:20:15 < dongs> ??? 2017-11-07T16:20:20 < dongs> you mean like PA0, PA1 etc? 2017-11-07T16:21:01 < wasutton3> http://i.imgur.com/H56fEwO.png 2017-11-07T16:21:20 < dongs> yeah? which part is encrypted 2017-11-07T16:21:26 < wasutton3> the actual pin names 2017-11-07T16:21:35 < dongs> i can see them just fine? 2017-11-07T16:21:55 < wasutton3> i.e. if you highlight the name, then try to copy/paste it somewhere else, the pasted text doesn't match the copied text 2017-11-07T16:22:10 < emeryth> haha 2017-11-07T16:22:14 < dongs> use acrobad reader, also, thats not the table to be pasting shit from 2017-11-07T16:22:14 < emeryth> that's how PDF works 2017-11-07T16:22:39 < wasutton3> emeryth, i've not had this problem with other pdfs 2017-11-07T16:23:11 < wasutton3> dongs, no its not, but im working with another developer on a kicad plugin that will take images like this and turn them into packages for use in a schematic 2017-11-07T16:23:19 < wasutton3> https://github.com/Robotips/uConfig/issues/2 2017-11-07T16:23:46 < BrainDamage> oh boy 2017-11-07T16:23:53 < BrainDamage> kicad rant in 5 2017-11-07T16:24:21 < c10ud> nice 2017-11-07T16:24:25 < dongs> damn i dont wanna fucking write complete PES stream parsing 2017-11-07T16:24:48 < wasutton3> BrainDamage, whats with the kicad hate? 2017-11-07T16:25:03 < BrainDamage> it's a channel meme 2017-11-07T16:25:08 < wasutton3> ag 2017-11-07T16:25:09 < wasutton3> ah 2017-11-07T16:28:12 < emeryth> wasutton3: okular reads the pin names fine 2017-11-07T16:30:48 < emeryth> oh wait, not in this datasheet 2017-11-07T16:31:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:31:42 < dongs> for fucks sake 2017-11-07T16:32:06 < dongs> dickstarter faggots just discovered using 5V for PoE for more than a couple meters doens't work 2017-11-07T16:32:07 < wasutton3> im using the enDM00172872.pdf datasheet (stm32L475) 2017-11-07T16:32:21 < dongs> because by the time it reaches your shit, its more liek 3V 2017-11-07T16:32:25 < dongs> and gnd drops too 2017-11-07T16:32:46 < wasutton3> dongs, what kickstarter is this? I'd like to go laugh at them 2017-11-07T16:33:02 < dongs> wasutton3: some startup garbage im involved with 2017-11-07T16:33:07 < dongs> been laughing at thier shit for a year+ 2017-11-07T16:33:12 < dongs> shit product shit design shit code shit everything 2017-11-07T16:33:18 < dongs> i try to do something useful they fuck it up 5x more 2017-11-07T16:33:53 < wasutton3> tell them to switch the codebase to lisp. by the time they figure out whats going on, you can get the project done yourself 2017-11-07T16:34:08 < dongs> oh i dont wanna get it done 2017-11-07T16:34:22 < jadew> haha 2017-11-07T16:35:09 < wasutton3> oh, if YOU don't want to get it done, tell them its better if you switch it to COBOL. Then you can just go work for a major financial firm fixing all their ancient shit 2017-11-07T16:41:35 < dongs> wasutton3: even acrobad export to docx/excel doesn't properly handle those pins 2017-11-07T16:41:40 < dongs> and yeah, it is a PDF thing 2017-11-07T16:41:42 < dongs> depends what output it 2017-11-07T16:41:55 < dongs> since you are not requied to have character used internally == character used for display 2017-11-07T16:42:19 < emeryth> better switch to OCR 2017-11-07T16:42:21 < dongs> a few PDF optimizing things just take random numbers and assign them to whatever visual shit in embedded fonts 2017-11-07T16:45:18 -!- rene-dev [~rene-dev@reroo.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-07T16:47:09 < dongs> which F4 has capsense 2017-11-07T16:47:13 < dongs> anything recent? 2017-11-07T16:47:17 < dongs> or is that a F0/F3 thing 2017-11-07T16:47:57 < dongs> i guess i should use CUBE SEARCH 2017-11-07T16:49:44 < dongs> fucking great 2017-11-07T16:49:51 < dongs> cube startup downloads over 9000megs of json 2017-11-07T16:51:06 -!- rene-dev [~rene-dev@reroo.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:53:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T16:54:25 < dongs> hm only L4 2017-11-07T16:54:32 < dongs> gay 2017-11-07T16:55:15 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-07T16:55:34 < zyp> haha, 5V PoE 2017-11-07T16:56:01 < dongs> yea 2017-11-07T16:56:03 < zyp> there's proper PoE and then there's dumb PoE and then there's that 2017-11-07T16:56:07 < dongs> the dude was like 2017-11-07T16:56:18 < dongs> "i plugged it into 5 meter cable and the voltage drop was like 1.4V 2017-11-07T16:56:26 < dongs> "and nothing works" 2017-11-07T16:57:18 < tomeaton17> The newest PoE standard is quite interesting, can deliver 70W̉̉̉̉̉̉̉ 2017-11-07T16:57:48 < zyp> I remember people wanted me to ghetto on PoE to the LL board just about when I finished the design 2017-11-07T16:57:51 < dongs> "AMD To Develop Semi-Custom Graphics Chip For Intel" 2017-11-07T16:57:52 < dongs> wat 2017-11-07T16:58:06 < zyp> ya, I told them no 2017-11-07T16:58:48 < zyp> oh, wait 2017-11-07T16:58:50 < tomeaton17> We just use 100Mbit and then use the spare wires dont bother with the phantom power 2017-11-07T16:58:57 < zyp> they wanted 12V PoE _out_ 2017-11-07T17:00:22 < dongs> "Broadcom Makes A $130 Billion Bid For Qualcomm" 2017-11-07T17:00:24 < dongs> haha wat 2017-11-07T17:01:22 < karlp> it was only $100billion a few days ago. 2017-11-07T17:01:25 < karlp> rumours at least, 2017-11-07T17:02:50 < dongs> didnt broadcom just got bought by someone recently 2017-11-07T17:02:52 < dongs> or did they buy someone 2017-11-07T17:02:54 < dongs> avago? 2017-11-07T17:05:57 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T17:06:03 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T17:07:49 < karlp> avago bought broadcom 2017-11-07T17:07:58 < karlp> and qualcomm just bought nxp who had just bought freescale 2017-11-07T17:08:23 < karlp> https://octopart.com/search?q=ax88613 is probably cheap too, though I guarantee the microchip part will be easier to obtain and get working... 2017-11-07T17:12:30 < dongs> axis makes some really cheap trash 2017-11-07T17:12:34 < dongs> that ends up in chinashit 2017-11-07T17:12:57 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T17:20:09 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T17:20:58 < karlp> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Ethernet-ICs_REALTEK_RTL8306SD-GR_RTL8306SD-GR_C21656.html 2017-11-07T17:21:03 < karlp> 6 port is much cheaper than 4 port .) 2017-11-07T17:21:09 < karlp> anyway, enough of that. 2017-11-07T17:21:21 < karlp> ralink and all the other minor players seem to have gotten out, 2017-11-07T17:21:31 < karlp> broadcom/marvell have them of course, but good luck 2017-11-07T17:24:31 < dongs> man waht the fuck are all tehse ST parts 2017-11-07T17:24:42 < dongs> L4 has 451, 452, 462, 471, .. .etc 2017-11-07T17:24:47 < dongs> where the hell is a breakdown of what the fuck means what 2017-11-07T17:25:01 < dongs> 476, 485, 496 2017-11-07T17:32:22 < dongs> hm L4 is only 80mhz 2017-11-07T17:32:28 < dongs> 401 is 84 :( 2017-11-07T17:33:19 < dongs> it'll probably have same fucking gotcha as F30x, no external xtal = retarded 64mhz max 2017-11-07T17:34:30 < dongs> haha 2017-11-07T17:34:40 < dongs> they just decided to remove laser range finder from the board 2017-11-07T17:34:43 < dongs> i told them like 6 months ago 2017-11-07T17:34:52 < dongs> "you are using WHAT to find out if you need to wake up screen or not"? 2017-11-07T17:34:57 < dongs> a $5 part?! 2017-11-07T17:35:16 < dongs> this shit just keeps on shitting 2017-11-07T17:37:15 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T17:41:11 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-07T17:48:59 < Laurenceb> dongs: so use cubemx 2017-11-07T17:53:29 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:06:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:10:33 < englishman> there is a charge on my CC from ARROW for $1.28 2017-11-07T18:10:34 < englishman> wtf 2017-11-07T18:10:56 < sync> because you did not order from them 2017-11-07T18:12:09 < englishman> lol @ 5V PoE 2017-11-07T18:12:35 < Laurenceb> pedophile over ethernet 2017-11-07T18:12:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T18:14:16 < Laurenceb> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyh7xxoPHC1qfhzgyo2_r1_250.gif 2017-11-07T18:14:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:16:58 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-127-107.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:17:20 < englishman> lazer rangefinder? not a Tof sensor? newbs 2017-11-07T18:17:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-07T18:17:57 < Laurenceb> its not pedo if the children come inside you when you are a school 2017-11-07T18:18:55 < englishman> dongs how do i get in on this scam so i can get a couple ferraros of my own? i have room for one, maybe two more get-rich-quick schemes in my schedule 2017-11-07T18:21:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-07T18:23:05 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-07T18:24:25 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:26:20 < englishman> what can i use to cheaply current limit one or two of those bright cree leds from 5v supply 2017-11-07T18:26:23 < englishman> something from digikey 2017-11-07T18:26:31 < englishman> not finding those cheap china 350mA current limiting things 2017-11-07T18:26:35 < fenugrec> lm317, heh 2017-11-07T18:26:56 < karlp> heh, wass't it english who was just talking about using regs as current sources like that recently? 2017-11-07T18:26:57 < englishman> yeah but requires a beefy resistor to pass hundreds of mA 2017-11-07T18:27:00 < englishman> yeah it was 2017-11-07T18:27:03 < englishman> but, for smaller currents 2017-11-07T18:27:06 < aandrew> wtf, why the fuck does this guy want to use libboost with stm32 2017-11-07T18:27:07 < englishman> like 50mA 2017-11-07T18:28:35 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T18:29:00 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:29:03 < fenugrec> tl431 + bjt then ? moar parts 2017-11-07T18:29:44 < englishman> hmmm yeah was hoping to avoid maths and analolguing 2017-11-07T18:30:03 < englishman> but i guess i'll have to resolve jadew's homework from yesterday 2017-11-07T18:30:07 < englishman> to do this quick and cheap 2017-11-07T18:31:03 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojileaiwkpwsktcm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2017-11-07T18:32:40 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T18:33:00 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:39:07 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-07T18:39:23 < englishman> also for dongs https://i.imgur.com/d2ckJIz.gifv 2017-11-07T18:40:13 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:41:39 < zyp> nice 2017-11-07T18:42:13 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T18:42:14 < karlp> did you see this one in the comments? https://i.imgur.com/0ixjqlO.gif 2017-11-07T18:42:39 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:43:27 < englishman> midieval larp drone 2017-11-07T18:44:24 < karlp> there's also this oldie but goodie: https://i.imgur.com/wJQhA2e.gif 2017-11-07T18:44:30 < karlp> and I think there's one of a kangaroo taking one out too 2017-11-07T18:44:47 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-07T18:45:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:50:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T18:51:01 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T18:51:30 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T18:53:55 < Steffanx> Fyi the qualcom-nxp deal aint done karlp 2017-11-07T18:53:59 < Steffanx> Yet 2017-11-07T18:55:38 < englishman> hmm 2017-11-07T18:55:39 < englishman> http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NSI50350AS-D.PDF 2017-11-07T18:55:43 < englishman> just two of these in parallel? 2017-11-07T18:58:23 < englishman> also available in DPAK for heat sinking 2017-11-07T18:59:06 < englishman> yeah parelleling them is even shown in datasheet 2017-11-07T18:59:10 < englishman> yay no maths today \o/ 2017-11-07T19:00:03 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T19:00:30 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T19:01:20 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-07T19:02:22 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-07T19:26:26 < englishman> hmm what is refdes for current regulator 2017-11-07T19:27:47 < englishman> Q i guess 2017-11-07T19:34:00 < Laurenceb> https://hooktube.com/watch?v=KzwfTXf-dAE 2017-11-07T19:39:03 < jadew> lol englishman 2017-11-07T19:39:24 < jadew> you can use an opamp, a fet and a shunt resistor 2017-11-07T19:43:38 < jadew> ah, you already found something 2017-11-07T19:43:42 < englishman> sounds like work 2017-11-07T19:43:43 < englishman> yeah 2017-11-07T19:59:20 < Laurenceb> freaking Scots everywhere 2017-11-07T19:59:36 < Laurenceb> time to rebuild Hadrians wall and make them pay for it 2017-11-07T19:59:50 < englishman> fucking samtec 2017-11-07T20:02:59 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-07T20:10:35 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T20:21:03 < Steffanx> So what was up with the ICs mr englishman? You didnt want to enlighten me. 2017-11-07T20:21:11 < englishman> well not much else to say 2017-11-07T20:21:16 < englishman> they look different 2017-11-07T20:21:23 < Steffanx> ok, im sorry for that. 2017-11-07T20:21:25 < englishman> won't know if they are until after days of assembly 2017-11-07T20:21:32 < Steffanx> What can i do to make your life more easy? 2017-11-07T20:21:32 < englishman> also i got a mysterious charge on my cc 2017-11-07T20:21:43 < englishman> of $1.28 2017-11-07T20:21:44 < englishman> from ARROW 2017-11-07T20:21:58 < Steffanx> call your bank and get it back? 2017-11-07T20:22:05 < englishman> good advice dad 2017-11-07T20:22:36 < Steffanx> One pack of waffles you know 2017-11-07T20:25:16 < Steffanx> I bet started to read ##stm32 and charged you some .. how you call it defamation-charge or something :D 2017-11-07T20:25:43 < Steffanx> *they started 2017-11-07T20:25:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-07T20:26:19 < Laurenceb> a r d u i n o 2017-11-07T20:34:08 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-127-107.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T20:39:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T20:48:31 < englishman> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mantistek-gk2-collects-typed-keys,35850.html 2017-11-07T20:55:08 < qyx> karlp: i2c seems fixed, I just added some lame timeouts, should I do a pr? 2017-11-07T20:57:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T20:58:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-07T21:00:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T21:02:58 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T21:07:27 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-07T21:10:45 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T21:28:07 -!- kakimir [kakimir@sienimetsa.wtf] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-07T21:28:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-07T21:28:47 -!- kakimir [kakimir@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T21:47:58 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T21:49:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b0e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T21:57:34 < Ultrasauce> our do we know 2017-11-07T22:30:03 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-07T22:33:55 < Tectu> does anybody know this connector and where I can buy one (the female end, preferably panel mounted). It's a connector for a 240VAC device supply thingy 2017-11-07T22:33:55 < Tectu> https://ibb.co/mMYFiG 2017-11-07T22:33:58 < Tectu> https://ibb.co/mXR1OG 2017-11-07T22:34:02 < Tectu> https://ibb.co/bWMCVw 2017-11-07T22:34:05 < Tectu> https://ibb.co/jHdsVw 2017-11-07T22:34:07 < Tectu> https://ibb.co/mkfHxb 2017-11-07T22:36:25 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T22:37:54 < qyx> it reminds me those bulgin things 2017-11-07T22:37:58 < qyx> wait 2017-11-07T22:40:14 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-07T22:41:14 < qyx> https://static3.tme.eu//products_pics/9/3/f/93fa14215d5fe8626f5c90c565262591/338409.jpg 2017-11-07T22:41:18 < qyx> no, those are threaded 2017-11-07T22:41:28 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-07T22:41:35 < Tectu> yep, this is some lock thingy 2017-11-07T22:41:41 < Tectu> also, look at the core: it's not round :( 2017-11-07T22:42:35 < qyx> uhm, I didn't notice that 2017-11-07T22:42:56 < karlp> qyx: umm, sure, why not :) I'm probably not doing any PR handling until I finish this test hardware I've half finished though. 2017-11-07T22:44:03 < Tectu> qyx, darn :( 2017-11-07T22:45:37 < qyx> Tectu: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/rj45-connectors/7659684/ 2017-11-07T22:45:41 < qyx> very near 2017-11-07T22:46:04 < Tectu> qyx, uuuh, not bad - getting there 2017-11-07T22:46:12 < qyx> probably the Bulgin Bucaneer series 2017-11-07T22:46:33 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:48f0:fa94:f4b0:4035] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-07T22:46:39 < Tectu> qyx, RS only lists 8 of those, all RJ45 2017-11-07T22:48:05 < Tectu> qyx, http://ch.rs-online.com/web/p/industrie-automation-steckverbinder/8068613/ 2017-11-07T22:49:13 < qyx> steckverbinder, na ja 2017-11-07T22:49:51 < Tectu> hshs 2017-11-07T22:49:52 < Tectu> haha 2017-11-07T22:49:54 < Tectu> but that is it 2017-11-07T22:49:57 < Tectu> right? 2017-11-07T22:50:01 < qyx> seems so 2017-11-07T22:50:17 < Tectu> thank you a lot, qyx <3 2017-11-07T22:50:39 < qyx> np 2017-11-07T22:50:39 < kakimir> what is that sexy conns= 2017-11-07T22:51:05 < Tectu> they are just that: sexy 2017-11-07T23:00:04 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b0e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T23:00:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b0e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-07T23:02:41 < karlp> neat little project https://github.com/easyvolts/EasyVolts_rev1/blob/master/EasyVolts_rev1_HW/easyVolts_RC0_schematic.pdf 2017-11-07T23:03:16 < upgrdman> what program makes that kinda ugly schematic? looks like eagle but wrong colors 2017-11-07T23:03:31 < Tectu> that's diptrace 2017-11-07T23:03:42 < upgrdman> ah 2017-11-07T23:03:47 < karlp> yeah, all the rest of the diptrace design stuff and the pic code is all there 2017-11-07T23:05:43 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2017-11-07T23:06:53 < englishman> $175 USD raised by 0 backers 2017-11-07T23:06:53 < englishman> 4% of $4,500 fixed goal 2017-11-07T23:08:27 < upgrdman> im a little triggered by how the GND symbols *also* have text labels 2017-11-07T23:09:12 < karlp> still, it's classic beaky. software smps, plus usb and rs485! 2017-11-07T23:09:43 < qyx> thats a nice schematic 2017-11-07T23:09:49 < qyx> I am also using such colors 2017-11-07T23:09:50 < qyx> in eagle 2017-11-07T23:09:52 < englishman> yeah diptrace does nich schematics 2017-11-07T23:10:14 < englishman> though far too many overlapping wires there 2017-11-07T23:14:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T23:17:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-07T23:21:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T23:30:32 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b0e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-07T23:33:54 < jadew> http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/782/135/3135782/a-round-of-applause-is-in-order.jpg 2017-11-07T23:37:08 < Steffanx> Laurenceb-lvl funny. 2017-11-07T23:37:31 < englishman> yeah what's up with the lack of 4chan bans lately 2017-11-07T23:41:58 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-07T23:52:28 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Wed Nov 08 2017 2017-11-08T00:03:16 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-08T00:09:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-08T00:16:29 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@38.64.179.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T00:44:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T00:44:40 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-08T00:45:08 < upgrdman> ahahaha fuck yes. one of the asshole tenants in area my office is in has been parking a huge trailer in the alley by us. we 2017-11-08T00:45:27 < upgrdman> we've complained to property management 3 times. they finally towed the trailer. 2017-11-08T00:45:56 < upgrdman> tenant comes in and asks if we've made any complaints. *poker face* "no" 2017-11-08T00:47:34 < upgrdman> i wonder how much the tow/impound fee for a trailor is. this was some huge ~30 foot (~10 meter) trailer. 2017-11-08T00:49:33 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/41893514/texas-shooting-how-to-spot-a-hoax 2017-11-08T00:56:23 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@38.64.179.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T01:00:09 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@38.64.179.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-08T01:02:59 < Laurenceb_> he can't keep getting away with it 2017-11-08T01:04:55 < Laurenceb_> wew, they literally found all the white ppl in japland 2017-11-08T01:05:11 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/B7SbYk1 2017-11-08T01:06:46 < Laurenceb_> finally some nipps https://imgur.com/l1y1ngo 2017-11-08T01:11:57 < upgrdman> damn. for a while i thought it was my shitty opengl code running slow on that surface bro 4. no, the gpu is just too weak when using a 4k monitor. even a fucking opengl hello-world-trianlge will peg GPU at >70% of the window is fullscreen. scrolling a static web page in chrome pegs the GPU at >75%. 2017-11-08T01:12:18 < tpw_rules> computers 2017-11-08T01:12:26 < tpw_rules> also in fairness that's 90% chrome's fault 2017-11-08T01:12:59 < upgrdman> and it seems to be the number of pixels that is the problem. e.g. rendering 500k GL_LINES versus rendering 1 GL_TRIANGLE has only a difference of maybe 10% GPU usage 2017-11-08T01:13:36 < upgrdman> tpw_rules, no this isnt chromes fault. intel integrated graphics just isnt meant to drive 4k60 for anything but the simplist of loads 2017-11-08T01:13:50 < upgrdman> like i said, even a hello-world-triangle has similar GPU loads 2017-11-08T01:14:02 < tpw_rules> > chrome has a light load 2017-11-08T01:14:25 < tpw_rules> sorry. i'm currently offended by the state of the web 2017-11-08T01:14:38 < upgrdman> also while looking at task manager, lolwut, when i *type* on my keyboard, the cpu usage goes from ~10% to ~38% 2017-11-08T01:15:07 < tpw_rules> that's probably another shitty surface bug 2017-11-08T01:15:18 < upgrdman> i guess spellcheck is super fucking demanding. 2017-11-08T01:15:21 < tpw_rules> my surface had a problem all thru 8 and 8.1 where unplugging the keyboard would peg it at 100% 2017-11-08T01:15:24 < tpw_rules> forever 2017-11-08T01:15:35 < upgrdman> im using a usb keyboard, not the touch cover 2017-11-08T01:16:28 < upgrdman> i *really* hope the next surface bro has usb-c for charging. i will immediately upgrade if they do. a little more power + being able to charge from a power bank would make my life so much nicer 2017-11-08T01:17:22 < tpw_rules> of course it will still only have 1 2017-11-08T01:18:06 < tpw_rules> usbc ime is garbage 2017-11-08T01:18:13 < tpw_rules> it might be apple's problem though 2017-11-08T01:18:39 < upgrdman> well ya i should rewrite that. if the new surface pro has a usb-c AND a usb-a, i will immediate upgrade 2017-11-08T01:18:50 < upgrdman> usb-a is still a requirement. apple is so fucking gay. 2017-11-08T01:19:31 < tpw_rules> no like the connectors are shit 2017-11-08T01:19:39 < tpw_rules> they're wiggly and disconnect if you breathe on them 2017-11-08T01:19:52 < tpw_rules> usb-a is crazy reliable 2017-11-08T01:19:55 < tpw_rules> usb-c isn't at _all_ 2017-11-08T01:20:25 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:1c9f:be63:837c:c46e] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T01:21:21 < tpw_rules> idk anyone else with usbc experience though 2017-11-08T01:22:57 < tpw_rules> have you 2017-11-08T01:23:52 < upgrdman> we'll i have not heard of any comments on it, but one of my coworkers has a usb-c phone and he's never bitched about it 2017-11-08T01:24:01 < upgrdman> but he might only be charging and not doing data xfer 2017-11-08T01:24:13 < upgrdman> are you using no name cables? 2017-11-08T01:24:33 < tpw_rules> well they're very name brand but idk how related to quality that is ;P 2017-11-08T01:25:13 < upgrdman> well i ask because for normal usb, i've had many cheap chinese cables become intermittent, both from the wire and from the connector 2017-11-08T01:25:20 < tpw_rules> no i understand 2017-11-08T01:25:26 < tpw_rules> but like afair it's always been this way 2017-11-08T01:25:35 < tpw_rules> i haven't had the computer that long. less than 1 year 2017-11-08T01:25:36 < upgrdman> ok 2017-11-08T01:25:44 < upgrdman> what comp 2017-11-08T01:25:54 < tpw_rules> late 2016 mbp 15" :D 2017-11-08T01:25:55 < tpw_rules> :P 2017-11-08T01:27:31 < upgrdman> how annoying is the gay touch bar 2017-11-08T01:27:52 < tpw_rules> well i'm gay so it's perfect 2017-11-08T01:28:00 < upgrdman> figures 2017-11-08T01:28:03 < tpw_rules> idk i like it cause i have an app which lets me put arbitrary macros on it 2017-11-08T01:28:15 < upgrdman> but then you have to look at it :/ 2017-11-08T01:28:23 < upgrdman> touch typing FTW 2017-11-08T01:28:29 < tpw_rules> i don't have to 2017-11-08T01:28:59 < tpw_rules> it also lets you get traditional function keys for apps that need em 2017-11-08T01:29:04 < tpw_rules> which no other laptop can do 2017-11-08T01:29:10 < tpw_rules> i do like the keyboard also. except it's unreliable 2017-11-08T01:29:13 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/OCEzdPB 2017-11-08T01:29:18 < tpw_rules> is this gay porn 2017-11-08T01:29:30 < tpw_rules> answer: uh maybe? 2017-11-08T01:30:36 < upgrdman> no 2017-11-08T01:30:42 < upgrdman> just a screenshit of text 2017-11-08T01:31:25 < tpw_rules> yeah but imo you could construe it as gay porn 2017-11-08T01:34:54 < jadew> it's gay for sure 2017-11-08T01:34:58 < upgrdman> anything is if you try hard enough 2017-11-08T01:35:01 < jadew> and that guy is an idiot 2017-11-08T01:35:10 < jadew> he can just say it's for his girlfriend... 2017-11-08T01:35:13 < upgrdman> tbh i didnt read it after i saw the title 2017-11-08T01:35:31 < upgrdman> thats how most of trollencb_'s links go for me 2017-11-08T01:40:42 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-08T01:47:18 < jadew> I don't think the art of electronics can be followed if you don't already know electronics 2017-11-08T01:48:01 < upgrdman> those are my favorite kind of books 2017-11-08T01:48:19 < upgrdman> (not aimed at noobs) 2017-11-08T01:49:40 < jadew> yeah, I like it cuz it's more to the point, but I realize I'd be left with a bunch of questions if I didn't already knew the answer to them 2017-11-08T01:50:26 < jadew> for example on the section about the common emitter amplifier it doesn't say what actually makes a common emitter amplifier and it starts by presenting one with emitter degeneration 2017-11-08T01:50:53 < jadew> and that's the only one presented in that section :) 2017-11-08T01:55:47 < jadew> *already know 2017-11-08T01:56:50 < jadew> I wish I had a foset with sparkling water 2017-11-08T01:57:45 < jadew> have to interrupt my study session to go buy some 2017-11-08T01:58:23 < tpw_rules> how dare you say that to me 2017-11-08T02:16:50 < upgrdman> why the hell do you drink sparkling water 2017-11-08T02:17:07 < upgrdman> might as well drink toilet bowl water 2017-11-08T02:18:26 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-08T02:23:33 < jadew> upgrdman, it's what I started drinking to give up coke 2017-11-08T02:25:04 < jadew> worked great, but I find it hard to switch to plain water 2017-11-08T02:28:03 < Laurenceb_> what sort of coke 2017-11-08T02:28:23 < jadew> dr. pepper really 2017-11-08T02:36:03 < upgrdman> are romanians also the kind of faggots that call every type of soda "coke" 2017-11-08T02:36:39 < jadew> don't know, we don't call anything coke 2017-11-08T02:37:00 < jadew> I assumed you're the kind of faggots that do, so I used your language :D 2017-11-08T02:37:27 < jadew> we use the full name of each drink 2017-11-08T02:38:44 < upgrdman> ok good 2017-11-08T02:38:51 < upgrdman> in so cal at least, we use the fucking names too 2017-11-08T02:38:54 < jadew> tbh, didn't know coke can stand for anything other than coca cola 2017-11-08T02:39:06 < jadew> I was addicted to that too, but then I switched to dr. pepper 2017-11-08T02:39:10 < upgrdman> but some faggots on the east coast or south like to call everything coke. "i" 2017-11-08T02:39:27 < upgrdman> but some faggots on the east coast or south like to call everything coke. "i'll take a coke" "which kind?" "uh, pepsi." 2017-11-08T02:39:37 < jadew> lol 2017-11-08T02:44:41 < jadew> http://media.factmyth.com/2015/11/cocaine-tooth-drops.jpg 2017-11-08T02:57:22 < Laurenceb_> I only drink Tea 2017-11-08T02:57:26 < Laurenceb_> 100% britbong 2017-11-08T02:58:40 < Laurenceb_> brit tier: /britfeel/ 2017-11-08T02:59:38 < upgrdman> i think the last time i drank tea was when i was actually in england, lol 2017-11-08T03:00:02 < upgrdman> you brits love you cuppa tea breaks, and i felt obliges to join in 2017-11-08T03:01:45 < Laurenceb_> why drink anything else 2017-11-08T03:02:04 < Laurenceb_> when I was last in murica ppl were drinking mountain dew unironically 2017-11-08T03:02:23 < upgrdman> htf is that ironic 2017-11-08T03:02:27 < upgrdman> but i mostly drink water 2017-11-08T03:03:06 < upgrdman> if im going to drink something other than water, its usually mt dew, orange soda, strawberry soda or mango juice 2017-11-08T03:03:16 < Laurenceb_> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mebyjnSpFJ1r0llf1o1_1280.jpg 2017-11-08T03:03:20 < upgrdman> or peach juice 2017-11-08T03:03:25 < Laurenceb_> le murican diet 2017-11-08T03:03:26 < upgrdman> <3 peach juice 2017-11-08T03:03:43 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, whats wrong with pizza + mt dew 2017-11-08T03:03:54 < upgrdman> i mean that faggot took it to an extreme 2017-11-08T03:03:56 < Laurenceb_> murican confirmed 2017-11-08T03:04:00 < upgrdman> but thats like an ideal meal right there 2017-11-08T03:04:05 < upgrdman> so much goodness 2017-11-08T03:04:14 < upgrdman> i can also feel the diabeetus 2017-11-08T03:04:21 < upgrdman> s/also/almost 2017-11-08T03:04:31 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/G9Rn7hp.jpg 2017-11-08T03:04:49 < upgrdman> brits squatting 2017-11-08T03:06:32 < Laurenceb_> https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0070/50/1440956563739.jpg 2017-11-08T03:06:39 < Laurenceb_> this meme is epin 2017-11-08T03:06:52 < upgrdman> needs moar union jack offs 2017-11-08T03:07:24 < Laurenceb_> lol @ Shoreham jet popping out of doors 2017-11-08T03:09:05 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:1c9f:be63:837c:c46e] has quit [] 2017-11-08T03:09:23 -!- enh [~enhering@179.186.143.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T03:09:44 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1477/84/1477846654897.jpg 2017-11-08T03:09:48 < Laurenceb_> just gets better 2017-11-08T03:10:11 < Laurenceb_> >Harold Shipman 2017-11-08T03:13:29 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/tv/image/1409/06/1409066277686.jpg 2017-11-08T03:25:06 < Laurenceb_> bbc news is now literally /r9k/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-41893514/texas-shooting-how-to-spot-a-hoax 2017-11-08T03:26:20 < Thorn> vega launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvuXbKHiCQ 2017-11-08T03:37:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-08T03:37:38 < dongs> ice 2017-11-08T03:37:42 < dongs> what are the chances of it failing/ 2017-11-08T03:37:46 < dongs> with a paki satellite on board 2017-11-08T03:37:52 < dongs> its gonna allahuakbar amirite? 2017-11-08T03:38:36 < Laurenceb_> I can hear the ISIS anthem fading in already 2017-11-08T03:39:10 < Laurenceb_> makes me rage how the ISIS anthem reddit has gone unironically pro jihad 2017-11-08T03:39:22 < Laurenceb_> proves horseshoe theory real tbh 2017-11-08T03:39:59 < Laurenceb_> https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1191/1*-_lsj8_KmzF8fbV4oZsI5g.jpeg 2017-11-08T03:40:43 < Laurenceb_> https://pics.me.me/carl-of-akkad-o-extraordinarymatt-unarmoured-sceptic-mundanematt-armoured-sceptic-14277334.png 2017-11-08T03:40:51 < Laurenceb_> >unarmoured sceptic 2017-11-08T03:40:54 < Laurenceb_> my fucking sides 2017-11-08T03:41:32 < dongs> why the hell did they leave chats enabled lol 2017-11-08T03:41:36 < dongs> its full of paki spam 2017-11-08T03:41:39 < Laurenceb_> wew 2017-11-08T03:43:03 < jadew> why do they speak french? 2017-11-08T03:43:11 < dongs> arianespace/esa is french 2017-11-08T03:43:25 < dongs> theyr'e on FRENCH IGUANA after all 2017-11-08T03:43:38 < dongs> lol nice fade to telemetry 2017-11-08T03:46:15 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@38.64.179.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T03:50:12 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@38.64.179.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-08T03:55:28 < dongs> wow 2017-11-08T03:55:32 < dongs> morocco sounds amazing 2017-11-08T03:55:42 < dongs> after watching that promo 2017-11-08T04:00:28 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-08T04:03:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T04:03:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T04:09:03 < upgrdman> anyone need a cpu? https://gfycat.com/PlasticPastelGrayreefshark 2017-11-08T04:10:09 < dongs> thats a fuckload of gold 2017-11-08T04:10:11 < upgrdman> dongs, https://i.imgur.com/ZEGnZE6.gifv 2017-11-08T04:11:57 < Thorn> I received my lcsc order 2017-11-08T04:13:01 < Laurenceb_> >frozen yoghurt 2017-11-08T04:13:04 < Laurenceb_> wtf muricans 2017-11-08T04:17:26 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, it doesnt taste like yogurt 2017-11-08T04:17:39 < upgrdman> its basically ice cream 2017-11-08T04:20:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-08T04:23:00 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/ZeZP35F.jpg 2017-11-08T04:24:21 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/dw71p8q3ctry.jpg 2017-11-08T04:26:34 < jadew> are there any clamping solutions for cables and wires so they don't fall off of the desk when you're doing an experiment? 2017-11-08T04:27:35 < jadew> I guess a very wide bench would solve the issue, but that's not going to happen too soon 2017-11-08T04:29:17 < dongs> 3D dick something 2017-11-08T04:29:30 < dongs> https://www.thingiverse.com/tag:cable_management 2017-11-08T04:29:31 < jadew> I don't have a 3D printer 2017-11-08T04:29:38 < dongs> what the fuck are you doing 2017-11-08T04:29:39 < dongs> its 2017 2017-11-08T04:30:02 < dongs> you can literally get someshit that will somewaht work for like 200bux 2017-11-08T04:31:19 < jadew> didn't really need one I guess 2017-11-08T04:31:25 < jadew> how often do you use yours? 2017-11-08T04:32:45 < jadew> ok, this is what I need: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2578853 2017-11-08T04:33:17 < dongs> jadew: i dont even remember last time I turned it on 2017-11-08T04:33:56 < jadew> I kinda want one, but I have too much on my wish list already 2017-11-08T04:34:13 < dongs> those are not probemaster probes 2017-11-08T04:34:17 < dongs> busted for FAIL 2017-11-08T04:34:44 < jadew> they look like keysight probes 2017-11-08T04:35:02 < jadew> but I can't tell what it says on them 2017-11-08T04:35:25 < dongs> there's a riglol scope underneath 2017-11-08T04:35:31 < dongs> i doubt that guy can afford anything from keysight 2017-11-08T04:35:56 < jadew> I have a rigol scope too and I have keysight probes :) 2017-11-08T04:44:53 < upgrdman> jadew enjoying his coke https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/7bd3ix/sniff_coke_wcgw/ 2017-11-08T04:45:23 -!- enh [~enhering@179.186.143.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-08T04:46:35 < upgrdman> i use this to hold my probes, works nicely http://www.farrellf.com/temp/diy_scope_probe_holder.jpg 2017-11-08T04:47:02 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, I copied your idea and I do the same, but I need something to manage cables during experiments 2017-11-08T04:47:03 < dongs> thats made out of those amazon toe straightening things right 2017-11-08T04:47:15 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-08T04:49:24 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/sqnap280pnwz.jpg 2017-11-08T04:50:10 < upgrdman> ahahaha dongs: https://streamable.com/2nhq4 2017-11-08T04:51:06 < jadew> dongs: http://5.12.75.151/stuff/probes.jpg 2017-11-08T04:51:56 < upgrdman> sunwa? wtf. is that some china clone of sanwa? 2017-11-08T04:52:02 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-08T04:52:05 < dongs> probably 2017-11-08T04:52:08 < dongs> sounds cheap as shit 2017-11-08T04:52:12 < jadew> it is 2017-11-08T04:53:50 < jadew> it's my son's meter 2017-11-08T04:54:02 < upgrdman> you must hate your son 2017-11-08T04:54:03 < jadew> I think it's time I get him a proper one 2017-11-08T04:54:19 < jadew> no, it was a good choice at the time 2017-11-08T04:54:27 < upgrdman> "son, you're a disappointment and i want you to fail. have this sunwa meter!" 2017-11-08T04:54:52 < jadew> he dropped it so many times, it would have killed me to know it's a good meter 2017-11-08T04:55:00 < upgrdman> lol 2017-11-08T04:56:11 < dongs> i dropped my fluke so many times and it still wroks 2017-11-08T04:56:20 < dongs> i guess if you drop that chinashit a few times it'll probably shatter 2017-11-08T04:56:40 < jadew> do they make flukes with analog displays? 2017-11-08T04:56:41 < upgrdman> ya but a fluke prolly cost a years salary in romania 2017-11-08T04:58:03 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-08T04:58:10 < dongs> he can be clever like taht guy who wrote memory dumping extension for vstudio 2017-11-08T04:58:16 < dongs> hes in romania, put it on vstudio marketplace 2017-11-08T04:58:22 < dongs> probably pays his mortgage monthly 2017-11-08T04:59:19 < jadew> I don't know if I should get him a digital or an analog one 2017-11-08T05:00:09 < jadew> he wouldn't be able to use/enjoy a digital one, but he'll eventually outgrow an analog one 2017-11-08T05:00:53 < dongs> magnetic field generated from the magnet is not strong enough for the inductor to pick up, and we are in the Northern part of earth, so one of the poles's field gets cancelled out 2017-11-08T05:01:11 < dongs> they're trying to weed out "nonworking" parts during QC 2017-11-08T05:01:25 < dongs> apparently your earth location somehoe affects their bullshit faggot fail design 2017-11-08T05:01:37 < dongs> better hope they dont sell any tyo africa 2017-11-08T05:02:03 < jadew> in africa they can claim it's not working because of lack of electricity 2017-11-08T05:02:10 < jadew> which is legit 2017-11-08T05:02:31 < dongs> apparently not in morocco! 2017-11-08T05:02:37 < dongs> that place looked legit cool 2017-11-08T05:02:40 < dongs> they even have pcb/pcba factories there 2017-11-08T05:02:47 < dongs> and they make trains(?) and shit 2017-11-08T05:03:28 < jadew> yeah, they've always been highly industrialized 2017-11-08T05:03:38 < dongs> i didnt even know where it was until an hour ago 2017-11-08T05:04:07 < jadew> and I've heard our romanian car is going to be produced there soon 2017-11-08T05:04:17 < jadew> pretty sure they're already producing them 2017-11-08T05:04:28 < dongs> ya they showed car assembly lines as well 2017-11-08T05:04:37 < jadew> yep: https://www.dacia.ma/ 2017-11-08T05:05:00 < dongs> dacia = .ro car? 2017-11-08T05:05:09 < dongs> fucking lol is that site in french 2017-11-08T05:05:21 < jadew> yeah, it's romanian 2017-11-08T05:05:48 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T05:05:48 < jadew> it's possible renault bought them, but I'm not 100% sure 2017-11-08T05:06:09 < sync> yes, they are now renault 2017-11-08T05:06:29 < sync> or well, quite a long time ago 2017-11-08T05:06:34 < jadew> the original dacia was based off of some old renault model anyway 2017-11-08T05:06:41 < dongs> OMG 2017-11-08T05:06:44 < dongs> their fucking site is broken 2017-11-08T05:06:48 < dongs> i finalyl found francais on the bottom 2017-11-08T05:06:51 < dongs> but when tyou click it to switch 2017-11-08T05:06:56 < dongs> it just moves the bar a bit 2017-11-08T05:06:58 < dongs> and nothign happens 2017-11-08T05:06:58 < dongs> lol 2017-11-08T05:07:42 < dongs> o yeah it says groupe renault on the bottom 2017-11-08T05:08:01 < jadew> they're shit cars 2017-11-08T05:08:01 < sync> they are shit little econoboxxes 2017-11-08T05:08:04 < dongs> Ferrying 2017-11-08T05:08:05 < dongs> There is also a lucrative business in ferrying would-be immigrants across the Straits to Spain, with money made in these ways being invested in apartments and other speculative ventures. 2017-11-08T05:08:46 < dongs> Morocco’s principal legal exports are clothing, fish (notably sardines), phosphates, fruit and vegetables. Cannabis though illegal, is also an important export. 2017-11-08T05:08:46 < jadew> dongs, where are you getting this from? 2017-11-08T05:08:49 < dongs> haha 2017-11-08T05:08:50 < dongs> they are exporting weed 2017-11-08T05:09:01 < dongs> morocco.com/business 2017-11-08T05:14:53 < dongs> https://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2013/07/23/why-morocco-is-attracting-foreign-manufacturers/ 2017-11-08T06:00:47 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.240.adsl.inet-telecom.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T06:02:46 < hesperaux> hi hi. Wondering if someone can advise me... I'm trying to build up a library of device "drivers" for various stuff. In some cases, this requires setting up interrupt handlers. As I'm using the standard peripheral library from ST, all of these interrupt vectors are pre-defined. There are specific function names for each interrupt source. How can I generalize this to allow for dynamic interrupt handling? Essentially, I am 2017-11-08T06:02:46 < hesperaux> thinking of modifying a function pointer that is called by these interrupt routines, but I'm not sure how to do this... 2017-11-08T06:03:30 < hesperaux> If that question made sense, can anyone give advice on creating a dynamic, "assignable from main()" type interrupt handling? 2017-11-08T06:06:05 < Thorn> either move the vector table into ram or call your actual handlers by pointer 2017-11-08T06:06:45 < Thorn> I've never needed it though, sounds like overengineering 2017-11-08T06:06:52 < hesperaux> Thorn, could you explain how the second bit would be done? 2017-11-08T06:07:09 < hesperaux> Thorn, the idea is to not have to create custom event handlers in every project that uses similar drivers/code 2017-11-08T06:07:38 < hesperaux> so far, the majority of the "driver" is portable, with the exception of the actual interrupt stuff 2017-11-08T06:08:30 < hesperaux> I haven't really used arduino much, but I think they have some sort of "attachInterrupt(myPointer)" thing 2017-11-08T06:12:50 < Thorn> void my_foo_handler() { ... } void (*my_foo_handler_ptr)() = &my_foo_handler; void Foo_IRQHandler() { my_foo_handler_ptr(); } 2017-11-08T06:15:21 < hesperaux> in order for the Foo_IRQHandler() to see my_foo_handler_ptr, that would have to be declared global and probably static right? 2017-11-08T06:15:55 < Thorn> global of course, static only if everything is in the same translation unit 2017-11-08T06:16:24 < hesperaux> ok 2017-11-08T06:16:53 < hesperaux> so from this, I would gain the ability to define which functions are called by each particular interrupt routine, which could mean calling the same function or unique ones... 2017-11-08T06:17:23 < hesperaux> that might work 2017-11-08T06:18:08 < hesperaux> the problem at hand is external edge triggered interrupts... I want to dynamically define what pins the code uses, but each pin has a different interrupt IRQHandler (or at least multiple groups of pins do) 2017-11-08T06:18:17 < Thorn> what I do is have the user implement the handler and call an appropriate method in a driver object: USBDev usbdev(...); void USB_IRQHandler() { usbdev.isr(); } 2017-11-08T06:18:52 < hesperaux> Thorn, is that a C++ object or a C object? 2017-11-08T06:18:59 < Thorn> c++ of course 2017-11-08T06:19:15 < hesperaux> all my code is in C at present - since I don't actually know C++ really 2017-11-08T06:19:38 < hesperaux> I just use structs to keep the data together 2017-11-08T06:20:13 < Thorn> well you can l earn enough to basically use classes as modules, it could be useful 2017-11-08T06:20:14 < hesperaux> I guess it doesn't matter much here though because I could just have a pointer in my struct for "isr" and call it just as you did there 2017-11-08T06:20:27 < Thorn> yes you can do that 2017-11-08T06:20:40 < hesperaux> Thorn, it's something i've thought of many times... I prefer OOP in general. I just don't know C++ specifically and haven't taken the time for it yet 2017-11-08T06:21:37 < Thorn> there's not much room for classic OOP in c++ embedded dev IMO 2017-11-08T06:21:44 < hesperaux> Thorn, in your scenario, would it be accurate to say that you subscribe your objects to IRQs by "registering them" within the IRQ handler (calling them)? So it would be up to that object to determine if it should process that interrupt right? 2017-11-08T06:21:51 < Thorn> for one thing it would imply the need for dynamic allocation 2017-11-08T06:22:01 < hesperaux> Thorn, that is part of the reason I've avoided it. I don't want to get carried away (and I usually do) 2017-11-08T06:22:57 < hesperaux> any chance you could share a small piece of code that demonstrates how you are doing it? 2017-11-08T06:23:00 < Thorn> the USBDev::isr() method will read the registers and decide what to do if anything 2017-11-08T06:23:02 < dongs> > I prefer OOP in general. I just don't know C++ specifically 2017-11-08T06:23:02 < dongs> what 2017-11-08T06:23:10 < dongs> what teh fuck do you use then 2017-11-08T06:23:24 < hesperaux> dongs, C#, Java, Python 2017-11-08T06:23:28 < dongs> gross 2017-11-08T06:23:30 < hesperaux> but not for embedded 2017-11-08T06:23:48 < dongs> C# was great in like 2005 2017-11-08T06:24:00 < dongs> they added so much retarded garbage into it its barely readable these days 2017-11-08T06:24:01 * hesperaux considers whether or not to debate about C# 2017-11-08T06:24:17 < dongs> everytime i see "auto faggot;" in C# code i want to murder 2017-11-08T06:24:26 < hesperaux> ah, see we didn't use those features 2017-11-08T06:24:31 < Thorn> hesperaux: I've got a whole project lol https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/tree/master/include/usb 2017-11-08T06:24:42 < hesperaux> our C# code was kept at a more basic level for readability 2017-11-08T06:25:00 < branjb> var assemblyCatalog = AssemblySource.Instance.Select(x => new AssemblyCatalog(x)).OfType(); 2017-11-08T06:25:07 < hesperaux> Thorn, thanks a lot for your help, and for the link. I think this is a decent start 2017-11-08T06:25:12 < dongs> branjb: FUCK YOU!!!!!! 2017-11-08T06:25:17 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T06:25:28 < hesperaux> LINQ is quite nice, although I didn't use it too much 2017-11-08T06:25:32 < branjb> var is the most obnoxious data type ever 2017-11-08T06:25:44 < hesperaux> it's not really a data type, but sure 2017-11-08T06:25:50 < dongs> whats vaR? 2017-11-08T06:25:51 < dongs> like auto? 2017-11-08T06:25:51 < branjb> fine 2017-11-08T06:25:58 < hesperaux> it's just a lazy programming keyword 2017-11-08T06:26:00 < branjb> var is the most obnoxious variable declaration statement ever 2017-11-08T06:26:01 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-08T06:26:01 < dongs> i probably dont even wanna know 2017-11-08T06:26:10 < branjb> you can do 2017-11-08T06:26:15 < branjb> var poop = 0.001f; 2017-11-08T06:26:18 < hesperaux> I agree about var. I personally don't use it, and our team was against it 2017-11-08T06:26:18 < branjb> and it casts poop to a float 2017-11-08T06:26:24 < branjb> so you can just fill your code with 2017-11-08T06:26:30 < branjb> var poop, var penis, var butt 2017-11-08T06:26:36 < hesperaux> I find var to make code more confusing, not less 2017-11-08T06:26:40 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-08T06:26:45 < dongs> can you do var poop = 0.1f; and then poop = "nigger" and it works? 2017-11-08T06:26:49 < branjb> no 2017-11-08T06:26:53 < hesperaux> dongs, that would fail 2017-11-08T06:27:06 < hesperaux> hence why var is pointless - it doesn't do anything, it just makes it harder for you to self-enforce your typing 2017-11-08T06:27:12 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-08T06:27:17 < branjb> there are some good things about c# 2017-11-08T06:27:25 < branjb> but definitely not the fucking unreadable shit most people do 2017-11-08T06:27:40 < branjb> it's like people try to one up each other writing the most unreadable lines possible then whacking off to it 2017-11-08T06:27:49 < hesperaux> I haven't had a look around at other people's C# much, aside from the team at work (and we all had a coding standard to follow) 2017-11-08T06:27:59 < dongs> branjb: i suspect this is due to not actually knowing how to program 2017-11-08T06:28:02 < dongs> and just bruteforcing it 2017-11-08T06:28:07 < hesperaux> branjb, are you talking about the massive chains and super complex linq queries to do something on one line instead of 4 lines? 2017-11-08T06:28:09 < dongs> this is how dickstarterpals arduino code looks liek 2017-11-08T06:28:17 < Thorn> kotlin is best 2017-11-08T06:28:18 < Thorn> val x = if (y >= 0) x else -x 2017-11-08T06:28:25 < branjb> yeah, full of lambda expressions 2017-11-08T06:28:27 < Thorn> er val x = if (y >= 0) y else -y 2017-11-08T06:28:38 < hesperaux> I haven't done anything with kotlin. Lambda expressions have their use, but they are dangerous 2017-11-08T06:28:43 < branjb> i've been using the ? operator more recently 2017-11-08T06:29:01 < hesperaux> I feel like if not for the CLR taking care of it a lot of the time, C# code would run like shit because people don't think about how much code is generated by their source 2017-11-08T06:29:05 < dongs> < Thorn> er val x = if (y >= 0) y else -y 2017-11-08T06:29:07 < dongs> please die 2017-11-08T06:29:14 < hesperaux> haha 2017-11-08T06:29:16 < branjb> but mostly for shit like HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_8, steps < 0 ? GPIO_PIN_SET : GPIO_PIN_RESET); 2017-11-08T06:29:18 < Thorn> val foo = this.foo ?: return 2017-11-08T06:29:19 < hesperaux> dongs, you aren't very opinionated 2017-11-08T06:29:33 < dongs> not at all 2017-11-08T06:30:17 < hesperaux> I avoid ternaries cuz they confuse me most of the time. I have used them though 2017-11-08T06:30:35 < branjb> i only use in limited scenarios 2017-11-08T06:30:41 < branjb> above to me is justified 2017-11-08T06:30:58 < hesperaux> branjb, I think i've used basically the same line, except I don't use HAL 2017-11-08T06:30:59 < branjb> but no one else has to read my shitty embedded code 2017-11-08T06:31:02 < branjb> so i'll do w/e i want 2017-11-08T06:31:05 < hesperaux> hehe 2017-11-08T06:31:47 < branjb> HAL is dumb, but i do have to admit it kinda makes porting stuff around different micros a little easier 2017-11-08T06:31:49 < branjb> not much 2017-11-08T06:32:06 < hesperaux> right now I have #ifdef CORTEX_M4 in random places...it feels bad 2017-11-08T06:32:10 < branjb> but in certain limited cases it's not terrible 2017-11-08T06:32:37 < dongs> i may have to move a project from F401 to L4xx 2017-11-08T06:32:42 < hesperaux> how many of you guys are professional embedded devs? 2017-11-08T06:32:42 < dongs> dreading that it only has hal 2017-11-08T06:32:46 < Thorn> val foo private get() = when (bar) { A -> if (baz) B else C else -> bar} // attn dongs 2017-11-08T06:32:52 < branjb> define professional 2017-11-08T06:32:55 < dongs> hesperaux: i'm a professional troll, does that count 2017-11-08T06:32:58 < hesperaux> dongs, what do you use, if not hal? 2017-11-08T06:33:05 < dongs> hesperaux: stdperiphlib? 2017-11-08T06:33:07 < hesperaux> dongs, not today. But I believe that you are a protroll 2017-11-08T06:33:17 < hesperaux> dongs, I am surprised to hear that. I thought you would hate the SPL 2017-11-08T06:33:29 < hesperaux> you seem like a "I just include CMSIS" person 2017-11-08T06:33:45 < branjb> i'm surprised dongs doesn't just write inline assembly everywhere 2017-11-08T06:33:48 < hesperaux> branjb, professional as in you get paid to write code for microcontrollers, and you have a desk not in your house where you do this 2017-11-08T06:33:52 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T06:34:02 < branjb> i guess i am 2017-11-08T06:34:07 < dongs> hesperaux: what if I get paid while doing it on the desk in my house 2017-11-08T06:34:12 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T06:34:20 < hesperaux> dongs, in that case it depends on how often you get paid 2017-11-08T06:34:41 < hesperaux> also, if you get paid while doing it on the desk in your house, sounds more like prostitution :P 2017-11-08T06:34:52 < dongs> psh 2017-11-08T06:34:55 < branjb> isn't that the dream 2017-11-08T06:35:00 < hesperaux> perhaps it is 2017-11-08T06:35:28 < branjb> dongs do you do contract work or just work remotely for a company? 2017-11-08T06:36:07 < hesperaux> I'm wondering if "professional" embedded engineers were trained in writing good quality code, and if so, from where were they trained...cuz I can't seem to find good resources on embedded *design* practices/patterns 2017-11-08T06:36:19 < dongs> hesperaux: yea no shit 2017-11-08T06:36:23 < dongs> try searching for "coding camps" 2017-11-08T06:36:27 < dongs> they're all fucking ruby/php/aids 2017-11-08T06:36:32 < hesperaux> exactly 2017-11-08T06:36:33 < dongs> like, you cant even fucking learn proper code anywhere 2017-11-08T06:36:35 < hesperaux> it's very frustrating 2017-11-08T06:36:47 < hesperaux> so far the only decent bit of reading I've found is a book that I think is from the early 90s lol 2017-11-08T06:36:48 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T06:36:53 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-08T06:36:55 < hesperaux> of course, it's quite outdated now...I only read half the book 2017-11-08T06:36:58 < branjb> books are best source for embedded 2017-11-08T06:37:04 < branjb> imo 2017-11-08T06:37:08 < upgrdman> im hoping for a new edition of C++ in a Nutshell that'll cover cpp17. or at least cpp14. 2017-11-08T06:37:12 < hesperaux> any books you would recommend? I've been searching but not sure what to pull trigger on 2017-11-08T06:37:20 < hesperaux> hi upgrdman 2017-11-08T06:37:23 < upgrdman> hi 2017-11-08T06:37:36 < upgrdman> ya im looking ofr a good cpp book too 2017-11-08T06:37:58 < hesperaux> glad to hear I'm not the only one at least 2017-11-08T06:38:10 < branjb> i read https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1466468866/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 recently 2017-11-08T06:38:12 < upgrdman> theyre all either aimed at noobs that doing the the different between if() and while(), or theyre dry boring books by bjarne 2017-11-08T06:38:17 < branjb> it gave me more to think about 2017-11-08T06:38:25 < hesperaux> upgrdman, seems about right, yeah 2017-11-08T06:39:25 < sync> I know some pro c++ magician that knows the bjarne books by heart 2017-11-08T06:39:27 < hesperaux> branjb, hmm, I haven't dove into using OSs yet. It's on my todo list though 2017-11-08T06:39:59 < branjb> the concepts translate well to regular OS less embedded 2017-11-08T06:40:05 < branjb> or the reasoning behind concepts 2017-11-08T06:40:13 < branjb> to me that's the hard part to teach 2017-11-08T06:40:26 < branjb> or learn 2017-11-08T06:40:59 < sync> hesperaux: the question is what is an embedded engineer to you? 2017-11-08T06:41:04 < branjb> here's a good one for dongs: https://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Arduino-Techniques-Engineering-Wizardry/dp/1118549368/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1510116053&sr=8-2&keywords=arduino+book&dpID=51eg%252BJKsuQL&preST=_SX218_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch 2017-11-08T06:41:10 < dongs> dmpty 2017-11-08T06:41:13 < dongs> snort 2017-11-08T06:41:41 < dongs> lemme guess 2017-11-08T06:41:44 < dongs> one of the chapters 2017-11-08T06:41:45 < hesperaux> sync, fair enough... In this context, I'd say it's someone that writes code for products using C or C++ on a microcontroller without a full-fledged OS (not linux, not android...etc) 2017-11-08T06:41:57 < dongs> "Making digitalRead() 100 times faster! The results will shock you!" 2017-11-08T06:42:02 < hesperaux> branjb, lol 2017-11-08T06:42:03 < branjb> what about for vxworks 2017-11-08T06:42:25 < hesperaux> My best friend uses vxworks - I've never touched it so don't know 2017-11-08T06:42:26 < upgrdman> branjb, cute. notice how that book about an 8bit MCU has... 255 reviews? lol 2017-11-08T06:42:38 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T06:42:47 < branjb> (((coincidence))) 2017-11-08T06:42:48 < hesperaux> upgrdman, mind blown 2017-11-08T06:43:15 < sync> illuminati confirmed 2017-11-08T06:43:27 < dongs> i should write a negative review and overflow the counter 2017-11-08T06:43:31 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T06:43:40 < hesperaux> dongs, maybe it will just go down to 254? 2017-11-08T06:44:16 < branjb> lmao ~more about the author~: https://imgur.com/a/N0IOH 2017-11-08T06:44:23 < branjb> looks like a hacker/maker 2017-11-08T06:44:58 < dongs> fucking newfag 2017-11-08T06:45:10 < hesperaux> I don't know, master's and BS at cornell beats my ass 2017-11-08T06:45:28 < branjb> I was trying to find grad year 2017-11-08T06:45:35 < dongs> yesterday 2017-11-08T06:45:58 < branjb> university education damn near garbage, at least where i went 2017-11-08T06:46:15 < branjb> although I probably learned way more on my own because I got pissed at how useless it was 2017-11-08T06:46:20 < hesperaux> branjb, I would say it depends on how people make use of it 2017-11-08T06:46:22 < upgrdman> branjb, he has an youtube channel. 2017-11-08T06:46:24 < branjb> than if they had spoon fed me 2017-11-08T06:46:39 < upgrdman> i sub'd to him back when i found out about the arduino 2017-11-08T06:46:48 < branjb> hahaha 2017-11-08T06:46:51 < dongs> lol 2017-11-08T06:47:10 < upgrdman> he videos were ok, but he just seemed like a college kids fucking around in his parents basement 2017-11-08T06:47:20 < hesperaux> upgrdman, sub'd him back? What, you have a channel? 2017-11-08T06:47:27 < hesperaux> you guys are basically describing me right now 2017-11-08T06:47:27 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-08T06:47:30 < dongs> hes a pro arduino troll 2017-11-08T06:47:39 < upgrdman> back when i found out about arduinos 2017-11-08T06:47:40 < upgrdman> as in 2017-11-08T06:47:44 < upgrdman> a long fuckin time ago 2017-11-08T06:47:56 < branjb> EE and CpEs graduated my college without ever knowing anything about embedded more than arduino 2017-11-08T06:47:56 < upgrdman> but yes, hesperaux, i have a yt channel as well. 2017-11-08T06:48:16 < upgrdman> mostly boring stuff trying to SEO for makers. because ad revenue. 2017-11-08T06:48:19 < branjb> if you can't arduino IDE import sparkfun library, it's not possible 2017-11-08T06:48:44 < hesperaux> the arduino IDE is probably why I've never tried to make a project with one 2017-11-08T06:48:49 < hesperaux> also feels like cheating 2017-11-08T06:48:51 < dongs> "IDE" 2017-11-08T06:48:56 < hesperaux> yeah =\ 2017-11-08T06:48:58 < dongs> you simply cannot even call it that 2017-11-08T06:49:03 < upgrdman> what a sorry excuse for an ide 2017-11-08T06:49:03 < dongs> by any stretch of hte word 2017-11-08T06:49:05 < hesperaux> it's a text editor 2017-11-08T06:49:09 < hesperaux> a bad one 2017-11-08T06:49:11 < dongs> a fucking awful text editor 2017-11-08T06:49:13 < upgrdman> a BAD text editor 2017-11-08T06:49:16 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T06:49:17 < branjb> upgrdman I basically am stealing all your ideas from your balancing robot, I'm gonna make a similar gimbaled remote 2017-11-08T06:49:37 < upgrdman> tab == 2 spaces. that right there tells you all you need to know about the arduino ide. 2017-11-08T06:49:44 < hesperaux> upgrdman, lol'd 2017-11-08T06:49:51 < branjb> do you think they make it bad on purpose? 2017-11-08T06:49:58 < hesperaux> i really don't know 2017-11-08T06:50:00 < dongs> branjb: http://www.mxchip.com/az3166 switch straight to this 2017-11-08T06:50:03 < sync> upgrdman: have you ever tried playing around with the gyro position on your bot? 2017-11-08T06:50:05 < upgrdman> branjb, cool. have fun. 2017-11-08T06:50:05 < hesperaux> I have often wondered why ti's so bad 2017-11-08T06:50:13 < hesperaux> to keep it "simple"? 2017-11-08T06:50:19 < hesperaux> or because platform.io exists? 2017-11-08T06:50:20 < upgrdman> sync, not really, why 2017-11-08T06:50:37 < hesperaux> speaking of IDEs, are you guys all vi people or will you actually use an IDE? 2017-11-08T06:50:44 < dongs> keil 4 lyfe 2017-11-08T06:50:45 < branjb> dongs: I still can't even tell you what IoT means 2017-11-08T06:50:56 < hesperaux> branjb, it's internet onto things 2017-11-08T06:51:02 < branjb> k, what's that 2017-11-08T06:51:03 < upgrdman> hesperaux, i use eclipse. 2017-11-08T06:51:05 < sync> because you get superior results when it is in line with your motors axis of rotation 2017-11-08T06:51:20 < upgrdman> sync, thats what im doing :) 2017-11-08T06:51:20 < hesperaux> branjb, it's like when you have the internet and things do stuff 2017-11-08T06:51:29 < hesperaux> branjb, also it has to create security holes in your network 2017-11-08T06:51:43 * hesperaux personally likes using EmBitz 2017-11-08T06:51:45 < dongs> so you can turn on your bathroom lights while driving on highway in another country 2017-11-08T06:51:52 < branjb> the best example of IoT i can think of is when your fridge refuses to open for you and then calls you fat 2017-11-08T06:51:59 < hesperaux> I tried to get JetBrains' CLion to work, but had some issues with the linker and gave up 2017-11-08T06:52:26 < branjb> so IoT means things that are connected to the world wide web for no reason? 2017-11-08T06:52:36 < dongs> yes 2017-11-08T06:52:38 < hesperaux> branjb, correct, especially with a web server 2017-11-08T06:52:46 < branjb> hmmm 2017-11-08T06:52:48 < dongs> absolutely no reason is the most important part 2017-11-08T06:52:50 < branjb> IoT toilette 2017-11-08T06:52:51 < hesperaux> most of the time, the product features from IoT are gimicks 2017-11-08T06:52:59 < hesperaux> sometimes they are useful though 2017-11-08T06:53:01 < branjb> "your poop says you should see a doctor soon" 2017-11-08T06:53:16 < hesperaux> however, I'd rather it be the "private secure network of things for your home only" 2017-11-08T06:53:26 < dongs> thats why wires exist 2017-11-08T06:53:38 < hesperaux> dongs, c'mon, you know that's not entirely fair 2017-11-08T06:53:46 < hesperaux> adding wires everywhere is a pain in the ass 2017-11-08T06:54:09 * hesperaux recently put a cat6 into the basement through horrid filth and insects 2017-11-08T06:54:19 < branjb> gross 2017-11-08T06:54:23 < hesperaux> it was quite 2017-11-08T06:54:33 < upgrdman> sync, this is my previous rebot, but you can see the sensors between the servos. in line with the "axel" http://www.farrellf.com/temp/robot_pre_pcb.jpg 2017-11-08T06:54:51 < branjb> that looks like tasty spaghetti 2017-11-08T06:55:00 < hesperaux> upgrdman, I like that is has a USB port 2017-11-08T06:55:05 < hesperaux> are those erector set wheels? 2017-11-08T06:55:15 < upgrdman> usb port is just for power 2017-11-08T06:55:16 < sync> yeah, that is pretty good 2017-11-08T06:55:19 < hesperaux> omg it's welded 2017-11-08T06:55:20 < branjb> those wheels didn't work 2017-11-08T06:55:24 < branjb> i watched his video 2017-11-08T06:55:29 < upgrdman> and those wheels are from a toy rc airplane 2017-11-08T06:55:31 < sync> lots of those camera gimbals have the imu at shitty places 2017-11-08T06:55:31 < hesperaux> you welded this? 2017-11-08T06:55:33 < dongs> is that fucking welded? 2017-11-08T06:55:38 < dongs> lo' 2017-11-08T06:55:38 < sync> no 2017-11-08T06:55:40 < sync> it is soldered 2017-11-08T06:55:41 < upgrdman> hesperaux, soldered 2017-11-08T06:55:49 < hesperaux> ok ok ok 2017-11-08T06:55:57 < hesperaux> thank you 2017-11-08T06:55:58 < sync> soft solder on brass 2017-11-08T06:56:05 < sync> you will be hard pressed to actually weld brass 2017-11-08T06:56:15 < upgrdman> i have a whole boring video on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhtnTBbiJTI 2017-11-08T06:56:20 < hesperaux> sync, *I* would be hard pressed to weld ANYTHING 2017-11-08T06:56:53 < hesperaux> upgrdman, i totally subscribed to you 2017-11-08T06:57:02 < sync> the problem is the zinc content 2017-11-08T06:57:02 < hesperaux> i'll watch a few ads as well soon 2017-11-08T06:57:24 < branjb> http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/07/delta-airlines-passenger-claims-woman-accused-performing-oral-sex-fell-asleep-lap/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social 2017-11-08T06:57:28 < hesperaux> upgrdman, how did you make the homebrew PCB? 2017-11-08T06:57:34 < upgrdman> hesperaux, thx 2017-11-08T06:57:37 < branjb> why do all my flights end up with me between two neckbeards who noshowere 2017-11-08T06:57:41 < hesperaux> branjb, extremely reliable news source is extremely reliable 2017-11-08T06:58:03 < upgrdman> hesperaux, i also have videos on diy pcb :) https://www.youtube.com/user/upgrdman/videos 2017-11-08T06:58:11 < hesperaux> upgrdman, haha 2017-11-08T06:59:09 < hesperaux> upgrdman, sorry the adafruit commercial was too annoying to listen to 2017-11-08T06:59:28 < upgrdman> i use adblock. i wont cry if you skip the ads. 2017-11-08T06:59:53 < hesperaux> the "new new new new new. new new new new new" part always irritates me 2017-11-08T07:01:43 < dongs> amazing dremel safety 2017-11-08T07:02:21 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T07:02:25 < upgrdman> im so fucking pro, huh 2017-11-08T07:02:32 * hesperaux is watching the green solder mask one 2017-11-08T07:02:50 < branjb> that's some precision engineering 2017-11-08T07:04:01 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-08T07:04:42 < branjb> did you ever have any issues with the solder breaking on any of those joints? 2017-11-08T07:05:00 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T07:05:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-08T07:06:11 < upgrdman> branjb, never. my fat ass could probably stand on that chassis and it would be fine. 2017-11-08T07:06:26 < dongs> yeah it doesnt look like it would break easily 2017-11-08T07:06:29 < hesperaux> that's impressive cuz solder is solder 2017-11-08T07:06:53 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T07:07:23 < upgrdman> solder is very strong if you use it like a thin glue. its weak if you use it like a gap filling glue. 2017-11-08T07:07:26 < branjb> lmao @ 17:06 trying to hold that piece on without burning yourself 2017-11-08T07:07:45 < sync> hesperaux: lots of things are soldered 2017-11-08T07:07:48 < sync> and they are strong 2017-11-08T07:07:56 < hesperaux> sync, not with circuit solder 2017-11-08T07:08:10 < hesperaux> to be fair, i'm not watching that video, so maybe I'm a derp 2017-11-08T07:08:11 < dongs> ROHS all the things 2017-11-08T07:09:01 < sync> I don't have the numbers in my head, but regular sn66pb34 is not too shabby 2017-11-08T07:09:31 < ohsix> sup 2017-11-08T07:09:33 < hesperaux> upgrdman, looks like you have some kind of super sharp smart tweezer. what is that? Is that a meter? 2017-11-08T07:09:38 < hesperaux> hi ohsix 2017-11-08T07:09:53 < upgrdman> hesperaux, you can said its name 2017-11-08T07:09:56 < upgrdman> :) 2017-11-08T07:10:09 < upgrdman> http://www.smarttweezers.us/ 2017-11-08T07:10:13 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T07:10:21 < upgrdman> and if you can some teardown pix, i got you covered there too: 2017-11-08T07:10:35 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/smart_tweezers_ST5S/ 2017-11-08T07:10:47 < hesperaux> do you like it? 2017-11-08T07:10:52 < upgrdman> my first one was a dud, they replaced it and im VERY happy with it 2017-11-08T07:10:54 < branjb> how much do you make in youtube dollars from some of those 100k+ view videos? 2017-11-08T07:10:54 < dongs> https://www.gearbest.com/kitchen-appliances/pp_366782.html < example of IoT 2017-11-08T07:10:58 < hesperaux> huh 2017-11-08T07:11:03 < dongs> The water temperature can be remote controlled via your Xiaomi smart home APP, everything in on your hand! 2017-11-08T07:11:13 * hesperaux adds it to his list of shit that he wants to buy at some point 2017-11-08T07:11:16 < upgrdman> branjb, average maybe $75/month 2017-11-08T07:11:26 < branjb> shit 2017-11-08T07:11:28 < upgrdman> sometimes peaking a little over $100/month 2017-11-08T07:11:30 < branjb> that's free internet bill 2017-11-08T07:11:33 < dongs> daym 2017-11-08T07:11:33 < upgrdman> in total. not per video. 2017-11-08T07:11:37 < branjb> oh 2017-11-08T07:11:40 < branjb> still 2017-11-08T07:12:09 < dongs> upgrdman: those long pauses while youre drilling shit need some beatz 2017-11-08T07:12:09 < hesperaux> i was thinking about youtubin, but I am not sure I would be interesting. I'm too newb 2017-11-08T07:12:11 < branjb> looks like "Setup a Raspberry Pi Web Server with Your Own .COM Using Google Domains" was your biggest hit 2017-11-08T07:12:34 < ohsix> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/smart_tweezers_ST5S/teardown_pics/IMG_4807.JPG huh 2017-11-08T07:12:38 < upgrdman> dongs, ya im a lazy content producer. i need to step up my game. 2017-11-08T07:12:58 < dongs> also start doing 1808p60 2017-11-08T07:13:09 < dongs> 30fps doesnt cut it for hobby shit anymore 2017-11-08T07:13:10 < ohsix> 4k400hz is where it is at now 2017-11-08T07:13:11 < ohsix> noob 2017-11-08T07:13:18 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T07:14:10 < branjb> "Serial Communication Between an Arduino and a PC" 96K views 2017-11-08T07:14:23 < branjb> does putting arduino / r pi in the title increase your views x10? 2017-11-08T07:14:25 < ohsix> good titles 2017-11-08T07:14:27 < dongs> yes 2017-11-08T07:14:29 < dongs> obviosuly 2017-11-08T07:14:37 < hesperaux> sigh 2017-11-08T07:14:42 < dongs> internet-connected toilet with raspberry pi zero 2017-11-08T07:14:47 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T07:14:49 < dongs> the shittiness will surprise you! 2017-11-08T07:14:50 < ohsix> i've been around a lot of people that can't find stuff on the internet and thinking about why, with a title like that; even those people will find it 2017-11-08T07:15:05 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T07:15:07 < hesperaux> as fun as this is, it's time for me to code 2017-11-08T07:15:21 < branjb> it amazes me how so many people are incapable of using a search engine 2017-11-08T07:15:30 < branjb> my wife started getting pissed at me because she'll ask me a question 2017-11-08T07:15:32 < upgrdman> since everyone seems to be curious, here's my last 28 days: http://farrellf.com/youtube.png 2017-11-08T07:15:42 < ohsix> they'll use a search engine but they don't know how to find stuff 2017-11-08T07:15:43 < branjb> then i'll type it verbatim into google and give her the top link 2017-11-08T07:16:15 < ohsix> there's no hypothesis about what they're actually looking for that they can think about 2017-11-08T07:16:35 < hesperaux> upgrdman, looks like you've used LibMPSSE 2017-11-08T07:16:40 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-08T07:16:49 < hesperaux> high fives dawg 2017-11-08T07:16:54 < branjb> does ad revenue taper off the older the video gets? 2017-11-08T07:17:34 < upgrdman> branjb, luckily, no. 2017-11-08T07:17:39 < branjb> wow 2017-11-08T07:17:40 < upgrdman> if it did i would have given up long ago 2017-11-08T07:17:46 < hesperaux> that's really surprising 2017-11-08T07:17:56 < ohsix> he's got that organic search shit 2017-11-08T07:17:59 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T07:18:11 < hesperaux> Certified USDA 100% Organic 2017-11-08T07:18:21 < upgrdman> my first tutorial video, which is TOTAL SHIT, has been netting me >$5/month for a while 2017-11-08T07:18:26 < ohsix> when you have popular stuff you are at the whim of the analytics that show it to people looking at popular stuff 2017-11-08T07:18:43 < ohsix> and that is short lived 2017-11-08T07:18:44 < dongs> lets see waht my current jewtub payout is 2017-11-08T07:18:54 < upgrdman> this fucking vidoe, what a piece of shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B6j_yr9H8g 2017-11-08T07:18:55 < hesperaux> dongs, links plox 2017-11-08T07:19:00 < upgrdman> i didnt even use screen cap software 2017-11-08T07:19:08 < dongs> i dont have any useful public videos 2017-11-08T07:19:13 < dongs> its mostly just trolls i link in here 2017-11-08T07:19:13 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T07:19:15 < branjb> cell phone pic 2017-11-08T07:19:18 < branjb> video* 2017-11-08T07:19:21 < ohsix> post the one where you're fixing the phone 2017-11-08T07:19:33 * hesperaux has like 5 videos 2017-11-08T07:19:53 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_P-54lzDc this one is a good one 2017-11-08T07:20:02 < branjb> the comments on that video are great 2017-11-08T07:20:19 < branjb> Heads up: SerialComm has changed, so now you import it by writing com.fazecast.jSerialComm.SerialPort; instead. Also, instead of the type SerialComm, user SerialPort. 2017-11-08T07:21:10 < hesperaux> you guys are making me think I should create some vids 2017-11-08T07:21:26 < hesperaux> but I don't think I can put arduino in the titles 2017-11-08T07:22:11 < upgrdman> hesperaux, if i were to start over, i wouldnt bother with yt videos 2017-11-08T07:22:20 < hesperaux> what would you bother with? 2017-11-08T07:22:25 < upgrdman> but since its going, and slowly growing, i'll put in a couple hours here and there 2017-11-08T07:22:37 < upgrdman> well my day job, pro ee troll, pays very well. 2017-11-08T07:22:47 < hesperaux> hehe 2017-11-08T07:22:55 < hesperaux> i'm currently unemployed so no worries 2017-11-08T07:23:13 < upgrdman> if you just want money, maybe try buying china shit from china and sell it on ebay as US SELLER FREE SHIPPING with lots of mark up 2017-11-08T07:23:23 < hesperaux> I felt the same way when I was employed though. I'd probably only make some stuff randomly 2017-11-08T07:23:44 < branjb> i know a guy who quit his decent middle management job at intel to import silverware/tupperware from china and resell it on amazon 2017-11-08T07:23:53 < hesperaux> O_o 2017-11-08T07:26:00 < ohsix> maybe he came up with edison and had a fun exit too 2017-11-08T07:28:12 < hesperaux> edison seems too expensive 2017-11-08T07:28:19 < sync> well if it doesn't make him happy why not branjb 2017-11-08T07:28:23 < sync> edison is obsolete 2017-11-08T07:28:26 < sync> attn englishman 2017-11-08T07:28:35 < branjb> he makes way more doing the amazong gig than intel shit 2017-11-08T07:28:44 < sync> haha nice 2017-11-08T07:29:00 < branjb> idk exactly what he does but he has his supply chain set up so he never even sees the shit 2017-11-08T07:29:11 < hesperaux> impressive 2017-11-08T07:29:19 < hesperaux> more of a business man than an engineer? 2017-11-08T07:29:23 < upgrdman> "drop shipping" 2017-11-08T07:29:34 < branjb> he just buys 1 - 10k of some random shit and amazon lets him store it in their warehouse or some shit 2017-11-08T07:29:42 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T07:29:49 < hesperaux> people like that make me happy 2017-11-08T07:29:57 < hesperaux> I get my 10 turn pots with 1 day shipping that way 2017-11-08T07:30:14 < branjb> amazon is hit or miss on electronic components 2017-11-08T07:30:31 < upgrdman> bbl 2017-11-08T07:30:51 < hesperaux> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LJ4COY0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 2017-11-08T07:30:59 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-08T07:31:12 < hesperaux> 4/5 of them worked. see review by "beckaliz" 2017-11-08T07:31:20 < sync> branjb: I'm quite amazed how well the chinese have engineered their supply chain stuff 2017-11-08T07:31:34 < branjb> they've turned it into an art form 2017-11-08T07:31:45 < sync> especially their tax evasion deals 2017-11-08T07:31:52 < sync> I ordered some apa102 leds 2017-11-08T07:32:01 < sync> shipped from germoney 2017-11-08T07:32:14 < sync> from some shipping hub they operate here 2017-11-08T07:32:18 < dongs> cool 2017-11-08T07:32:24 < dongs> so no vat/tax? 2017-11-08T07:32:30 < sync> well, for me, yes 2017-11-08T07:32:33 < sync> but not for them 2017-11-08T07:32:39 < hesperaux> brb 2017-11-08T07:32:42 < sync> they seem to import that stuff through .cz 2017-11-08T07:33:01 < dongs> yall ever seen bottom mount RGB / ws2812-style leds? 2017-11-08T07:33:04 < sync> with an umbrella company that implies that it deals with machinery 2017-11-08T07:33:28 < sync> so they probably import containers full of shit claiming to be machinery that is taxed when sold 2017-11-08T07:33:37 < sync> but never do that 2017-11-08T07:33:58 < dongs> saync do you really care tho 2017-11-08T07:34:05 < sync> no 2017-11-08T07:34:17 < sync> but it is interesting to see how they engineer that 2017-11-08T07:35:05 < sync> I actually looked for bottom mount led shit and there is not much, for some reason 2017-11-08T07:35:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-08T07:35:22 < dongs> theres tons in regular stuff 2017-11-08T07:35:26 < dongs> even rgb 2017-11-08T07:35:28 < dongs> but im lazy 2017-11-08T07:35:30 < dongs> i wanted to use onewire 2017-11-08T07:35:31 < dongs> for 2812 2017-11-08T07:35:34 < sync> yes 2017-11-08T07:35:41 < dongs> i dont care ill just use stasndard bottommount discrete rgb 2017-11-08T07:35:57 < sync> yes, I did as well for some stuff but meh 2017-11-08T07:36:17 < dongs> I've not seen one. It wouldn't be hard to make a 1mm thick PCB with pads for WS2812B and pads to mount to the bottom of a PCB. 2017-11-08T07:36:23 < dongs> ... 2017-11-08T07:36:39 < dongs> how do these people even function 2017-11-08T07:36:55 < branjb> lol 2017-11-08T07:37:00 < branjb> pcb legos 2017-11-08T07:37:53 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2017-11-08T07:38:05 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T07:38:54 < sync> iphone tier 2017-11-08T07:39:12 < branjb> although 2017-11-08T07:39:58 -!- absynth [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-08T07:40:01 < branjb> i've used some of those semtech radio modules 2017-11-08T07:40:08 < branjb> pretty useful for the effort involved 2017-11-08T08:05:21 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-75-69-135-239.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-08T08:12:56 -!- SpaceCoaster 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VAT but couldn't really figure out how do they manage that 2017-11-08T09:52:51 < zyp> why wouldn't it be? 2017-11-08T09:53:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T09:53:46 < zyp> I'm not completely sure how VAT is handled in Germany and other countries, but my impression is that it's similar to the norwegian model 2017-11-08T09:53:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T09:55:08 < sync> fest: it is 2017-11-08T09:55:14 < zyp> in the norwegian model, when a VAT-registered company sells anything, they have to charge VAT on the full price 2017-11-08T09:55:28 < hesperaux> crt, UA741 bro 2017-11-08T09:55:30 < sync> but they make use of the scheme that they claim it was taxed at import 2017-11-08T09:55:45 < sync> and the importing company claims that it will be taxed at sale 2017-11-08T09:55:55 < zyp> when a VAT-registered company buys anything, they pay VAT to the seller, then get it refunded 2017-11-08T09:55:55 < sync> so they evade that pretty well 2017-11-08T09:56:06 < sync> or they don't pay vat 2017-11-08T09:56:16 < sync> as they just would get it back anyway 2017-11-08T09:57:00 < sync> which is the trick 2017-11-08T09:57:29 < hesperaux> crt, watching this for now...wat 2017-11-08T09:57:51 < zyp> no, it's for school kids 2017-11-08T09:58:03 < zyp> at least that's my impression 2017-11-08T09:58:14 < zyp> we used multisim in high school, haven't used it since 2017-11-08T09:58:21 < hesperaux> lol 2017-11-08T09:58:29 < hesperaux> i've never used it 2017-11-08T09:58:52 < fest> zyp: but this company should be paying VAT when they import something from non-EU countries 2017-11-08T09:59:02 < hesperaux> this is a weird video 2017-11-08T09:59:04 < zyp> fest, why? 2017-11-08T09:59:42 < hesperaux> he wastes a lot of paper 2017-11-08T10:00:04 < fest> well, it happens like that in my country- for customs to clear non-EU imports, you have to submit proof that VAT and duties are paid 2017-11-08T10:00:34 < zyp> how about domestic trade? 2017-11-08T10:02:19 < zyp> anyway, let's say a company buys something for $100, processes it and sells it for $200 2017-11-08T10:02:50 < zyp> the norwegian standard VAT rate is 25% and that makes for fairly round numbers to calculate with, so let's use that 2017-11-08T10:03:20 < zyp> the base product with VAT would have a cost of $125, the end product will have a cost of $250 2017-11-08T10:04:36 < zyp> since it's a "value added" tax, and the added value is $100, your company should in sum charge a VAT of $25 2017-11-08T10:05:30 < zyp> but for complex assemblies or whatever it's not feasible to keep track of the original cost of the BOM or whatever to calculate how much value you've added 2017-11-08T10:05:50 < ohsix> multisim is q t 2017-11-08T10:05:59 < zyp> so instead, you get a refund for VAT on incoming stuff, and charge VAT on the full value of outgoing stuff 2017-11-08T10:06:07 < ohsix> all of my electronics magazines from the 90s are full of quaint ads about it 2017-11-08T10:06:33 < zyp> so when you pay $125 for something, you get a $25 refund and when you sell something for $200 you add a full $50 in VAT charge 2017-11-08T10:06:47 < zyp> and since $50 - $25 is $25, the end result is the same 2017-11-08T10:07:41 < zyp> this essentially means that a company doesn't pay VAT on anything it buys 2017-11-08T10:08:21 < zyp> either because you get a refund, or because the previous seller short circuits the process and doesn't charge it 2017-11-08T10:09:01 < zyp> in Norway, the former case is the usual, but I think it can be short circuited 2017-11-08T10:09:08 < zyp> under some conditions 2017-11-08T10:09:22 < zyp> this naturally also applies to imports 2017-11-08T10:09:43 < zyp> when something is imported, VAT is due, but since it's a company importing, VAT is refunded 2017-11-08T10:09:55 < qyx> here we usually buy without vat in this cse 2017-11-08T10:10:13 < zyp> and this could be short circuited by just not charging the VAT on the import 2017-11-08T10:10:24 < zyp> since it'll be charged in full when the company sells the product anyway 2017-11-08T10:10:45 < zyp> either way, end result is the same 2017-11-08T10:11:51 < zyp> also, the way I understand VAT handling in the EU is that you pay VAT according to the rate in the sellers country, not the buyers 2017-11-08T10:12:23 < zyp> i.e. seller charge VAT like usual, buyer's country does no further customs processing 2017-11-08T10:13:00 < zyp> but I might be wrong on that, since I'm not in EU myself 2017-11-08T10:14:24 < fest> ok, nice explanation, but how do they manage to sell without charging VAT? 2017-11-08T10:15:33 < ohsix> gummel poon 2017-11-08T10:15:46 < fest> at least here, asking for VAT refund directly (money in company bank account) has very strong correlation with asking for audit (because of widespread VAT fraud schemes) 2017-11-08T10:16:11 < zyp> fest, I figure they don't, they just sell it from a EU country with a low VAT rate 2017-11-08T10:16:30 < fest> so companies usually cover other taxes they owe with the "refunded VAT" 2017-11-08T10:17:00 < fest> are there countries with less than 15-20% VAT rate in EU? 2017-11-08T10:17:06 < zyp> idk 2017-11-08T10:17:39 < fest> hmm, Switzerland has 8% standard rate? 2017-11-08T10:17:49 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T10:17:56 < qyx> we are in the east, 20% 2017-11-08T10:19:00 < zyp> switzerland is not EU 2017-11-08T10:19:55 * fest stupid 2017-11-08T10:19:57 < fest> right 2017-11-08T10:20:12 < zyp> hmm, it's not EEA either, just EFTA 2017-11-08T10:20:37 < zyp> anyway, looks like you're right 2017-11-08T10:20:40 < zyp> https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf 2017-11-08T10:20:50 < zyp> standard rate ranges from 18 to 25 as far as I can see 2017-11-08T10:20:57 < zyp> no, 27 2017-11-08T10:32:40 -!- talsit 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seem to understand ELF properly 2017-11-08T13:21:45 < zyp> at least they don't use it like people normally do 2017-11-08T13:22:53 < zyp> instead of a .data-section with LMA pointing to init-data in flash and VMA pointing to the data area in ram, their .data-section just points to ram, just like .bss 2017-11-08T13:23:11 < dongs> why would anyoen ever care about this 2017-11-08T13:23:15 < zyp> and then they have a separate .cinit-section in flash with the init contents 2017-11-08T13:25:23 < karlp> is this elf's created by their tooling? 2017-11-08T13:27:13 < zyp> yes 2017-11-08T13:31:27 < zyp> hmm, it's not gonna matter, the segment header still bunches all the flash content up into one segment 2017-11-08T13:33:13 < dongs> hm im gonna end up having to ask on their irc 2017-11-08T13:50:48 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-08T14:00:09 < Thorn> zyp: do they even support gcc in any way? 2017-11-08T14:02:11 < zyp> in what sense? 2017-11-08T14:02:52 < zyp> in theory it should be possible to build this shit with GAE, maybe some modifications to shit to make it work 2017-11-08T14:03:00 < Thorn> well can you build a project that uses their libraries/sdk/hal/whatever using gcc 2017-11-08T14:03:07 < zyp> there's some pragma stuff that I don't think is portable 2017-11-08T14:03:41 < zyp> I haven't tried and I don't care to either 2017-11-08T14:07:51 < karlp> heh, just used break instead of continue. good job karl. 2017-11-08T14:07:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T14:45:02 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T14:48:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-08T14:49:02 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-08T14:52:31 < englishman> Packaged in its statement was a tiny nugget of news regarding the company’s Spectacles, the camera-equipped sunglasses it sells both online and in pop-up vending machines around the world. Snap says it lost nearly $40 million on the device 2017-11-08T14:52:43 < englishman> wtf, why would someone buy camera glasses 2017-11-08T14:53:21 < englishman> there goes all their ipo bux 2017-11-08T14:54:49 < karlp> because they read too much transmetropolitan 2017-11-08T14:54:56 < karlp> or were into POV pornos 2017-11-08T14:57:51 < englishman> maybe they would sell if they looked like spiders glasses 2017-11-08T14:58:20 < karlp> what else does snap do? 2017-11-08T14:58:53 < karlp> oh, snapchat 2017-11-08T15:03:29 < dongs> god damn opensores 2017-11-08T15:03:44 < dongs> the hell is snap? 2017-11-08T15:03:46 < dongs> snapchat? 2017-11-08T15:05:28 < englishman> that is currently their most popular product yes 2017-11-08T15:06:35 < dongs> isnt that what they would need creepy glasses for? 2017-11-08T15:12:49 -!- lomas_ [~lomas@27.34.16.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-08T15:17:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T15:19:00 < englishman> there's already a camera in your phone tho 2017-11-08T15:19:27 < englishman> presumably better quality too, as they have not disclosed camera megadixels in the glasses 2017-11-08T15:20:11 < englishman> also $130 2017-11-08T15:24:13 < karlp> I dunno, I can totally understand wanting the camera handsfree 2017-11-08T15:24:15 < qyx> I always forget to set msg.has_xxxxx in nanopb :S 2017-11-08T15:24:21 < qyx> then I wonder why the message is empty 2017-11-08T15:24:58 < dongs> do they have nanopb code generators written in a real language yet 2017-11-08T15:25:28 < qyx> don't know 2017-11-08T15:25:33 < qyx> I didn't even bother checking, it just works 2017-11-08T15:25:47 < dongs> by "just works" you mean "mile-long makefile command line" right? 2017-11-08T15:25:54 < qyx> no, a single make 2017-11-08T15:25:58 < qyx> just 4 letters 2017-11-08T15:31:19 < dongs> can someone explain me what the actual fuck a "yield" is (that isnt about rtos timeslicese) 2017-11-08T15:31:39 < dongs> apparently its some bullshit construct in C# and pythoon(GAY) but i have no fucking clue what it acutallty does 2017-11-08T15:32:50 < zyp> it's similar to what it does in a RTOS 2017-11-08T15:32:56 < dongs> .. no 2017-11-08T15:33:00 < zyp> except it doesn't yield from a thread, it yields from a coroutine 2017-11-08T15:33:50 < dongs> anything trying to explain it ends up being about miles of garbage unreadable python code 2017-11-08T15:34:03 < dongs> mylist = [x*x for x in range(3)] (from stackoverflow) 2017-11-08T15:34:12 < dongs> fucking LOL @ that syntax, how can ANYONE understand what it does? 2017-11-08T15:34:27 < dongs> its liek fuck you, we'll jsut pile all t he shit into one line because reasons 2017-11-08T15:34:29 < zyp> what's the context? in python it's basically used for generators or async stuff 2017-11-08T15:34:33 < zyp> I mean, yield is 2017-11-08T15:34:41 < dongs> no ,i just saw it in some code and it made no sense 2017-11-08T15:34:49 < dongs> but thats business as usaul for any ptython code 2017-11-08T15:35:19 < qyx> you don't have to write such constructs 2017-11-08T15:35:22 < qyx> it is just a shortcut 2017-11-08T15:35:24 < zyp> you can think of it as a return statement, that allows the caller to resume the function later from that point 2017-11-08T15:35:34 < dongs> how would you "resume" it 2017-11-08T15:35:38 < dongs> by calling same function again? 2017-11-08T15:36:08 < zyp> no 2017-11-08T15:36:38 < dongs> then it makes no sense 2017-11-08T15:36:50 < dongs> unless thre's some kinda 'join' that goes back to the left off shit 2017-11-08T15:36:53 < zyp> calling a function like that gives you a generator object, the generator-object has a next()-method that runs until next yield point and gives you the yielded value 2017-11-08T15:37:09 < karlp> I love those list comprehensions 2017-11-08T15:37:09 < dongs> anywho, time to stop giving a fuck about python, will never undertand the insanity of that langauge 2017-11-08T15:37:13 < karlp> but yeah, I found them odd at first. 2017-11-08T15:37:14 < zyp> i.e. the generator object holds the state (stack frame) for that function 2017-11-08T15:37:30 < dongs> karlp: i think you forgot to prefix "in" 2017-11-08T15:37:46 < dongs> as in, incomprehensions 2017-11-08T15:37:48 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T15:37:53 < zyp> this stuff isn't unique to python, it seems like most modern languages have equivalents (including C#) 2017-11-08T15:37:58 < Thorn> you can also do mylist = (x*x for x in range(3)) 2017-11-08T15:38:03 < Thorn> it will return a generator 2017-11-08T15:38:12 < dongs> back to writing C code 2017-11-08T15:38:16 < Thorn> well assign it to mylist 2017-11-08T15:38:32 < dongs> was just looking for some reference, and first thing i came across was some python(gay) written by a jap 2017-11-08T15:39:08 < zyp> I think coroutines are proposed for C++20 2017-11-08T15:39:32 < zyp> would have been nice, you can do neat async stuff with it 2017-11-08T15:39:40 < dongs> Coroutines are computer-program components that generalize subroutines for non-preemptive multitasking, by allowing multiple entry points for suspending and resuming execution at certain locations. 2017-11-08T15:39:44 < dongs> ??????? 2017-11-08T15:40:17 < zyp> certain locations = yield 2017-11-08T15:40:26 < Thorn> https://pastebin.com/MTDMjAZk 2017-11-08T15:40:56 < dongs> even python errors are retarded 2017-11-08T15:40:59 < dongs> the fuck is that traceback 2017-11-08T15:41:11 < dongs> you cant even tell whats wrong 2017-11-08T15:41:14 < dongs> from that output 2017-11-08T15:41:18 < Thorn> it's not an error 2017-11-08T15:41:25 < zyp> nothing is wrong, it's a StopIteration 2017-11-08T15:41:27 < Thorn> it's an "end of the generator" signal 2017-11-08T15:41:35 < dongs> k 2017-11-08T15:41:42 < Thorn> e.g. for will use it 2017-11-08T15:41:46 < dongs> proceeding to give no fucks 2017-11-08T15:41:48 < Thorn> if you do for x in gen: ... 2017-11-08T15:43:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-08T15:43:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T15:43:39 < zyp> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2017/n4649.pdf 2017-11-08T15:43:39 < Laurenceb_> BASED AMERICA SAVIOUR OF WESTERN CIVILISATION AND MORALITY THANK G-D THAT TRUMP™ GOT ELECTED 2017-11-08T15:46:30 < Thorn> >A global allocation function is ... called indirectly to allocate storage for a coroutine frame 2017-11-08T15:46:36 < Thorn> theykyouverymuch 2017-11-08T15:46:42 < Thorn> *thankyou 2017-11-08T15:48:18 < zyp> they're proposing both yield and await, so it should work nicely for both generators and async code 2017-11-08T15:50:49 < dongs> i hope they propose killing off any version of C++ other than original 2017-11-08T15:51:09 < dongs> or just kill off C++, period 2017-11-08T15:51:12 < dongs> C is fine 2017-11-08T15:51:18 < dongs> no bullshit uneradable constructs 2017-11-08T15:51:25 < zyp> :) 2017-11-08T15:52:50 < zyp> seems like clang has an implementation of the draft 2017-11-08T16:02:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-08T16:10:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-08T16:10:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T16:10:58 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-08T16:11:43 < Thorn> l0lz lcsc is now showing tracking number after the package was delivered 2017-11-08T16:11:50 < englishman> dongs: ? 2017-11-08T16:11:56 < englishman> nanopb generator is a .exe 2017-11-08T16:12:01 < englishman> why would you touch its sores 2017-11-08T16:30:55 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T16:34:48 < karlp> digikey's got your back! https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2017/jan/10-things-to-know-before-starting-your-arduino-project 2017-11-08T16:37:28 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2017-11-08T16:44:26 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T16:46:19 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T16:46:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-08T16:50:19 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T16:56:04 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-08T16:56:51 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T17:06:38 < dongs> does PCI needs +12/-12V?? 2017-11-08T17:07:55 < englishman> oldpci? 2017-11-08T17:07:59 < englishman> i think not 2017-11-08T17:08:39 < englishman> just AGP 2017-11-08T17:10:36 < dongs> checked pinout apparently it does 2017-11-08T17:10:42 < dongs> i doubt any cards actualyl "need" it 2017-11-08T17:10:44 < dongs> especially -12 2017-11-08T17:12:22 < zyp> okay, there's one thing that's easier on cortex-r than cortex-m 2017-11-08T17:13:02 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:a8bf:fba:a09b:f5] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T17:13:09 < zyp> since cortex-r doesn't set up $sp in hardware, startup code must do it, which means bootloader doesn't have to do it when jumping to app 2017-11-08T17:13:12 < sync> dongs: when you need your fast RAMDAC for 4k VGA output 2017-11-08T17:13:23 < dongs> heh 2017-11-08T17:14:06 < zyp> bad thing is, there's nothing equivalent to SCB_VTOR 2017-11-08T17:14:09 < karlp> zyp: how does that make anything "easier" ? 2017-11-08T17:15:01 < dongs> saves one instrcution 2017-11-08T17:15:12 < zyp> karlp, no need to asm("mov $sp, blah; b app_main"); can just do app_main(); 2017-11-08T17:15:28 < dongs> i've never done asm() in my code 2017-11-08T17:15:34 < dongs> if there isnt a cmsis intrinsic for it, you shouldnt be using it 2017-11-08T17:15:46 < dongs> compiler knows better than you, WAY better 2017-11-08T17:16:00 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-08T17:16:35 < zyp> I don't trust compiler to not push anything after setting stack pointer, before calling app_main 2017-11-08T17:16:57 < dongs> well, you ARE using gcc after all 2017-11-08T17:17:02 < dongs> i wouldnt even trust it to generate working code. 2017-11-08T17:17:10 < karlp> the compiler intrinsics are normally just wrappers around asm anyway 2017-11-08T17:17:40 < englishman> the entire c language is a wrapper around asm 2017-11-08T17:17:50 < zyp> it'd be working anyway, you'll just have some garbage on the stack that waste space forever 2017-11-08T17:19:54 < zyp> and it's not a compiler thing, it's a question of whether your code has any variables in caller-save registers before the call 2017-11-08T17:20:00 < zyp> because then they'd have to be saved 2017-11-08T17:25:46 < englishman> dongs, has teh LP129QE1 supply dried up 2017-11-08T17:28:28 < Thorn> are GATT packets somehow artificially rate limited in BLE? 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2017-11-08T18:09:52 < Thorn> apps can communicate through intents 2017-11-08T18:10:18 < upgrdman> but other than that, no? 2017-11-08T18:10:40 < upgrdman> im tempted to hack together a simple password manager and want to make sure other apps cant see my "code" or data. 2017-11-08T18:11:17 < Thorn> there are even apis to notify you when a new app is installed 2017-11-08T18:11:50 < Thorn> read up on storage in android. there is private storage that should be inaccessible by other apps 2017-11-08T18:14:05 < upgrdman> k thx 2017-11-08T18:14:26 < upgrdman> lol no 2017-11-08T18:14:30 < upgrdman> it fucking melts 2017-11-08T18:19:04 < upgrdman> what kind of bandwdith do you need 2017-11-08T18:19:26 < upgrdman> if <1SPminute a wax covered probe is prolly fine 2017-11-08T18:33:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-08T18:40:29 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-08T18:46:24 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-08T19:09:28 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:09:28 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-08T19:09:28 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:09:54 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:10:39 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2017-11-08T19:13:47 < Cracki> (cn: shitpost) https://twitter.com/schne1der_/status/928235565870395393 2017-11-08T19:15:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:15:22 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-08T19:16:43 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:17:22 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:18:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-08T19:18:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:20:27 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T19:21:37 < upgrdman> seems like this is MORE expensive than f0 + gate drivers + regulators. is the only benefit reduced board size? http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/motor-drivers/brushless-dc-motor-drivers/stspin32f0a.html 2017-11-08T19:31:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-08T19:35:02 < englishman> depends on your drivers and whether or not you are sourcing for production from digikey 2017-11-08T19:35:12 < englishman> and how much time and risk you want to spend on engineering 2017-11-08T19:53:23 -!- munki_ [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2017-11-08T19:55:08 -!- munki_ [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T20:08:21 -!- munki_ [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2017-11-08T20:09:43 -!- munki_ [~munki@51.254.34.203] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T20:11:35 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-08T20:12:37 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T20:27:23 -!- munki_ [~munki@51.254.34.203] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2017-11-08T20:30:28 -!- munki_ [~munki@51.254.34.203] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T20:30:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T20:34:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-08T20:34:55 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-08T20:47:02 < upgrdman> in windows task manager, cpu usuage, "kernel times" include shit like contention right? e.g. if kernel times are high, there might be problems with io latency, lock contention, etc. ? 2017-11-08T20:47:12 < upgrdman> cache misses, etc. 2017-11-08T20:51:22 < Ultrasauce> its not a super useful metric because there is such a wide variety of stuff that happens in syscalls 2017-11-08T20:51:34 < upgrdman> sure 2017-11-08T20:51:38 < Ultrasauce> i bet waiting for vsync is included in there if you're talking about your thing 2017-11-08T20:51:52 < upgrdman> but it a lot of the cpu chart is kernel times, thats a "bad" thing usually, right? 2017-11-08T20:52:07 < upgrdman> e.g. just doing ass loads of math should result is ~0% kernel times? 2017-11-08T20:52:18 < upgrdman> ahh. ok 2017-11-08T20:52:24 < upgrdman> yes im talking about my thing. 2017-11-08T20:53:27 < Ultrasauce> gpu profiling is a bit of a can of worms 2017-11-08T20:54:23 < upgrdman> actually right now i think im cpu bound. i suppose i should stop being lazy and actually use FFTs instead of DFTs for my frequency domain chart. 2017-11-08T20:54:38 < Ultrasauce> fftw 2017-11-08T20:54:45 < upgrdman> i just fell bad about using algorithms that i dont quite understand 2017-11-08T20:55:14 < upgrdman> guess i should plop down on the couch and watch an assload of fft vids on youtube and hope something sinks in 2017-11-08T20:55:53 < Ultrasauce> i am of the opinion that that sort of thing is always going to be done better by someone else 2017-11-08T20:56:10 < Ultrasauce> unless you spend months and months on r&d for that specific thing 2017-11-08T20:56:24 < upgrdman> ya im happy to use a lib. i just feel bad when i use a lib and dont understnad what its doing for me 2017-11-08T20:56:36 < Ultrasauce> I mean I definitely identify with the desire to pull everything together from scratch 2017-11-08T20:58:03 < Ultrasauce> the short version i think is the fft exploits periodicity and shannon-nyquist to apply divide-and-conquer optimizations to the naive dft 2017-11-08T20:58:17 < Ultrasauce> where lower frequencies require less samples to measure, etc 2017-11-08T20:58:41 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T21:01:40 < Ultrasauce> as for the gpu stuff check out gDEBugger, not 100% sure it'll work with a java host but worth a try 2017-11-08T21:01:46 < Ultrasauce> there are also vendor tools 2017-11-08T21:02:42 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-08T21:03:16 < kakimir> movie recommends 2017-11-08T21:03:39 < upgrdman> 8mm 2017-11-08T21:04:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T21:04:56 < englishman> 10mm 2017-11-08T21:05:13 < Steffanx> Fuck analog. 2017-11-08T21:05:49 < Steffanx> Such 4ban englishman, such 4ban 2017-11-08T21:06:09 < englishman> imdb down 2017-11-08T21:06:12 < upgrdman> 8mm is a movie, for those wondering 2017-11-08T21:06:14 < englishman> kakimir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaolin_and_Wu_Tang 2017-11-08T21:06:28 < englishman> Steffanx: i tried 2017-11-08T21:06:35 < upgrdman> nicholas cage goes after a guy that enjoy snuff pron 2017-11-08T21:06:46 < upgrdman> or, well, made snuff pron 2017-11-08T21:06:48 < Steffanx> Not even liam? We need Liam. 2017-11-08T21:06:57 < englishman> was an ok movie upg 2017-11-08T21:06:57 < Ultrasauce> kakimir: a scanner darkly 2017-11-08T21:07:03 < Steffanx> liam > nicholas 2017-11-08T21:07:05 < englishman> good film and book ^ 2017-11-08T21:07:05 < kakimir> englishman: KUNG FU HUSTLE 2017-11-08T21:07:08 < upgrdman> englishman, is 10mm a real movie 2017-11-08T21:07:21 < englishman> i was thinking of soemthing else 2017-11-08T21:07:23 < englishman> maybe 8 1/2 2017-11-08T21:09:01 < Steffanx> Did you watch Baywatch yet kakimir? 2017-11-08T21:09:07 < kakimir> I won 2017-11-08T21:09:09 < kakimir> wont 2017-11-08T21:09:19 < upgrdman> oh god 2017-11-08T21:09:30 < upgrdman> hasselhoff. i almost forgot that guy existed 2017-11-08T21:09:40 < Steffanx> hah 2017-11-08T21:09:55 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Vice_(film) 2017-11-08T21:11:07 < Steffanx> http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt3910736/ kakimir 2017-11-08T21:11:17 < englishman> Steffanx: digikey sent me 30 parts on 6 pieces of tape 2017-11-08T21:12:02 < Steffanx> That's still 30 parts more than what ARROW sent you. 2017-11-08T21:12:11 < englishman> arrow has delivered 2017-11-08T21:12:13 < englishman> UPS has not 2017-11-08T21:14:29 < englishman> moving to japan to be a paid white person stand-in for promotional material 2017-11-08T21:15:38 < Steffanx> is that how dongs started and where his nick comes from? 2017-11-08T21:21:05 < ReadErr> doctor one day and politician the next 2017-11-08T21:21:23 < ReadErr> fake jobs n asia 2017-11-08T21:22:06 < Steffanx> gotta fill that linkedin page right? 2017-11-08T21:22:11 < englishman> example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92rK6-p7bI 2017-11-08T21:22:43 < ReadErr> whiteman in yellow land 2017-11-08T21:23:48 < Steffanx> lol at that voice over englishman 2017-11-08T21:24:15 < ReadErr> neoden4 can't do it 2017-11-08T21:24:31 < Steffanx> it? 2017-11-08T21:24:39 < ReadErr> ya it's in the vid 2017-11-08T21:25:56 < englishman> +Laurenceb> attn englishman http://www.proficnc.com/ 2017-11-08T21:25:56 < englishman> +Laurenceb> why is it not in stock.... 2017-11-08T21:26:26 < Steffanx> lol edison spotted. 2017-11-08T21:27:21 < Steffanx> or was that your project englishman/ 2017-11-08T21:27:26 < englishman> haha 2017-11-08T21:30:20 < englishman> wow this neoden software looks even worse than my terrible crap 2017-11-08T21:43:55 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T21:49:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e0e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T21:54:44 < englishman> chrome using 9gb 2017-11-08T21:55:04 < sync> yeah, it is like that for me when started 2017-11-08T21:55:09 < sync> I regularily hit 32G 2017-11-08T22:01:56 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-08T22:03:49 < Steffanx> better buy more ram 2017-11-08T22:03:53 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T22:04:14 < ReadErr> attn 2017-11-08T22:04:17 < ReadErr> https://i.imgur.com/cY13ksy.png 2017-11-08T22:04:24 < ReadErr> warning attn 2017-11-08T22:04:46 < ReadErr> relevant 2017-11-08T22:05:26 < Steffanx> Laurenceb-lvl unfunny 2017-11-08T22:06:22 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T22:06:53 < ReadErr> oh f u 2017-11-08T22:07:00 < ReadErr> that was hilarious 2017-11-08T22:07:03 < kakimir> it was funny 2017-11-08T22:07:12 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-08T22:07:12 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2017-11-08T22:07:12 < Ultrasauce> terry davis is my fave 2017-11-08T22:07:24 < Steffanx> Better visit him in jail. 2017-11-08T22:07:25 < ReadErr> FREE TERRY 2017-11-08T22:08:20 < kakimir> what he did? 2017-11-08T22:09:03 < ReadErr> dindu nuffin 2017-11-08T22:09:34 < Steffanx> Those paint drawings are NEVER ever funny, ReadErr. Im sorry. 2017-11-08T22:09:42 < upgrdman> there something about a pizza under a desk that just strikes me as hollywood-hacker-themed 2017-11-08T22:10:16 < sync> well I have 64 Steffanx, but I need to upgrade, yes 2017-11-08T22:10:23 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:a8bf:fba:a09b:f5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-08T22:10:46 < englishman> what is lunix doing with all that ram 2017-11-08T22:11:52 < upgrdman> prolly mining buttcoins 2017-11-08T22:11:59 < sync> handing it out to VMs 2017-11-08T22:12:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-08T22:12:22 < upgrdman> "what is my purpose?" "you run VMs" 2017-11-08T22:12:38 < upgrdman> *sad face* 2017-11-08T22:13:17 < kakimir> chrome 2017-11-08T22:13:23 < kakimir> *ium 2017-11-08T22:13:36 < kakimir> also kicad 2017-11-08T22:14:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T22:15:15 < Steffanx> Buy altium 2017-11-08T22:16:57 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T22:29:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T22:36:44 < vampi-the-frog> what is ring0 2017-11-08T22:37:39 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_ring 2017-11-08T22:37:45 < kakimir> kernel core 2017-11-08T22:37:46 < englishman> no wait 2017-11-08T22:37:47 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_ring 2017-11-08T22:38:13 < kakimir> there is actually levels below 0 too 2017-11-08T22:38:25 < kakimir> they don't just tell you about them 2017-11-08T22:38:30 < englishman> level minix 2017-11-08T22:38:54 < upgrdman> anyone used Pandora *and* some alternative? spotify, google music, whatever. is it better? 2017-11-08T22:39:06 < vampi-the-frog> ah ok 2017-11-08T22:39:19 < vampi-the-frog> I didn't know it was named that 2017-11-08T22:39:24 < ReadErr> i have some disturbing news i must share with you all 2017-11-08T22:39:29 < englishman> never used any of those besides spotify 2017-11-08T22:39:33 < ReadErr> i am the owner for an apple watch 2017-11-08T22:40:11 < englishman> the new one looks cool, probably the best watch 2017-11-08T22:40:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-08T22:40:28 < upgrdman> englishman, do you liek spotify 2017-11-08T22:40:34 < englishman> its ok 2017-11-08T22:40:38 < englishman> the interface is shit 2017-11-08T22:40:43 < kakimir> -1 for hypervisor -2 for system management and bios and -3 the secret stuff 2017-11-08T22:40:49 < englishman> but you can disable ads with hostsblocking 2017-11-08T22:40:52 < Steffanx> do you wear it ReadErr? 2017-11-08T22:41:00 < upgrdman> does spotify stop ~hourly asking if you're still listening? 2017-11-08T22:41:07 < ReadErr> Steffanx: indeed 2017-11-08T22:41:14 < ReadErr> its got cellyar 2017-11-08T22:41:29 < Steffanx> did you buy it? 2017-11-08T22:41:33 < ReadErr> ya 2017-11-08T22:41:51 < Steffanx> when and where did it go wrong? Apple HQ? 2017-11-08T22:42:12 < upgrdman> englishman, does spotify stop ~hourly asking if you're still listening? 2017-11-08T22:42:19 < ReadErr> its works fine 2017-11-08T22:42:25 < ReadErr> im just coming out of the closet 2017-11-08T22:42:30 < ReadErr> as an apple watch owner 2017-11-08T22:42:31 < Steffanx> Try it upgrdman -_- 2017-11-08T22:42:31 < ReadErr> is all 2017-11-08T22:42:34 < englishman> upgrdman: has never done that 2017-11-08T22:42:47 < englishman> why all the questions 2017-11-08T22:42:49 < englishman> just download it 2017-11-08T22:43:03 -!- mcastillo [~mcastillo@164.77.47.139] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-08T22:43:05 < Steffanx> Hah, i dont really mind. It looks like a cool device i would never own ;) 2017-11-08T22:43:11 < upgrdman> englishman, lol, sorry. pandora is just pissing me off, and i dont want to "invest" time in trying out known-shitty alternatives 2017-11-08T22:43:25 < englishman> fair enough 2017-11-08T22:43:35 < mcastillo> Hello. is it posible to generate a c++ project with StM32CubeMX? 2017-11-08T22:45:54 < ReadErr> no 2017-11-08T22:45:57 < ReadErr> its not. 2017-11-08T22:46:04 < ReadErr> next question 2017-11-08T22:47:21 < englishman> ReadErr i wore out my fidget spinner 2017-11-08T22:47:38 < ReadErr> englishman: i heard they are on to FIDGET CUBES 2017-11-08T22:47:39 < ReadErr> now 2017-11-08T22:47:47 < ReadErr> or darkmage said that 2017-11-08T22:47:52 < ReadErr> and hes an autist 2017-11-08T22:49:49 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-08T22:50:13 < BrainDamage> get an extra large one and wear it as a cockring 2017-11-08T22:50:19 < BrainDamage> then put up a show 2017-11-08T22:56:09 < Ultrasauce> i printed a fidget toy that's like a slice of a bunch of concentric spheres 2017-11-08T22:56:13 < Ultrasauce> it's fun 2017-11-08T23:00:48 < Steffanx> pics are required here. 2017-11-08T23:10:55 -!- mcastillo [~mcastillo@164.77.47.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-08T23:25:52 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-08T23:41:47 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-08T23:45:57 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-08T23:53:58 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e0e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Thu Nov 09 2017 2017-11-09T00:20:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-116-203.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T00:24:47 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-09T00:38:26 < Ultrasauce> https://i.imgur.com/GEnlV09.png Steffanx 2017-11-09T01:15:10 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T01:16:16 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-09T01:17:02 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T01:18:24 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-09T01:30:36 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T01:33:09 < DelvingDeeper> Anyone worked with the combined reset + trigger mode in timers? 2017-11-09T01:34:57 < englishman> Steffanx arrow shorted me some parts 2017-11-09T01:52:20 < englishman> ReadErr: Yeah seen those at corner stores now 2017-11-09T01:58:44 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-116-203.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-09T02:10:42 < DelvingDeeper> Remember my lecturer saying the most important rule and the biggest time saver is RTFM: Read The Fuckin Manual. Honestly the best advice I've gotten 2017-11-09T02:11:32 < DelvingDeeper> On a side note how common/important is ASM programming in industry when it comes to embedded design? 2017-11-09T02:12:01 < englishman> it's solid advice 2017-11-09T02:12:18 < englishman> depends your industry i guess 2017-11-09T02:12:44 < englishman> i don't think you need a mastery, but knowledge of asm makes for a good c programmer 2017-11-09T02:13:34 < DelvingDeeper> englishman: Definitely thinking that, seems like it would be a great way to speed up time sensitive projects. The C compiler seems to add a large overhead on the code 2017-11-09T02:13:48 < DelvingDeeper> especially HAL 2017-11-09T02:14:17 < englishman> well i'm not saying you should actually program in asm 2017-11-09T02:14:52 < englishman> that's just wasting time 2017-11-09T02:14:58 < DelvingDeeper> Englishman: hmm.. so knowledge of it is important not the ability to write all your code in asm. Assuming that would make a project very legthy 2017-11-09T02:15:11 < DelvingDeeper> ah ok completely agree 2017-11-09T02:17:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2017-11-09T02:26:54 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-09T02:27:34 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b laurence*!*@*] by englishman 2017-11-09T02:27:46 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!laurence*@*] by englishman 2017-11-09T02:27:55 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!~laurence@host86-154-54-224.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] by englishman 2017-11-09T02:27:59 < sync> hal is not your c compiler 2017-11-09T02:28:08 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!~laurence@81.141.246.10] by englishman 2017-11-09T02:28:32 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!~laurence@81.141.246.10] by englishman 2017-11-09T02:29:09 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!~laurence@81.141.246.103] by englishman 2017-11-09T02:29:26 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-09T02:31:52 < DelvingDeeper> sync: referring to what I said? 2017-11-09T02:32:10 < Ultrasauce> hey englishman you can do -bbb hostmask hostmask hostmask, etc 2017-11-09T02:32:20 < englishman> yeah but weechat makes it hard 2017-11-09T02:32:34 < englishman> harder than irccloud did anyway, still getting used to it 2017-11-09T02:33:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T02:34:16 < Laurenceb_> I think I just got messaged by crt 2017-11-09T02:34:21 < Laurenceb_> on stm32 forumz 2017-11-09T02:34:27 < Laurenceb_> >Sam Lewis? 2017-11-09T02:37:08 < Laurenceb_> >USB drivers included in the Linux kernel are rife with security flaws that in some cases can be exploited to run untrusted code and take over users' computers. 2017-11-09T02:37:16 < Laurenceb_> imagine my shock 2017-11-09T02:38:04 < Laurenceb_> >Most are simple DoS (Denial of Service) bugs that freeze or restart the OS 2017-11-09T02:38:13 < Laurenceb_> welcome to stm32 device development 2017-11-09T02:43:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-09T02:50:01 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FB being on opposite corner from LX? 2017-11-09T10:38:09 < zyp> it'd probably be nicer with FB and EN swapped 2017-11-09T10:38:38 < zyp> but idk, routing a five pin part can't be that hard, regardless of what pinout it has 2017-11-09T10:39:08 < dongs> no it ended up being really nice 2017-11-09T10:39:32 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/jpmxOJe.png 2017-11-09T10:39:52 < dongs> fb opposite made sense to allow for R+C there 2017-11-09T10:40:11 < zyp> ah, neat 2017-11-09T10:40:39 < zyp> but still, swapping FB and EN wouldn't make that any worse 2017-11-09T10:40:45 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-09T10:53:02 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T10:54:45 < stvn> greeting steffan 2017-11-09T10:58:53 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T10:59:12 < Thorn> is there a MLCC manufacturer called FH? 2017-11-09T11:00:00 < stvn> hi Thorn 2017-11-09T11:00:06 < Thorn> >Fenghua Advanced Technology 2017-11-09T11:06:44 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T11:13:53 -!- Guest45887 [~snecklift@61.168.113.55] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T11:16:58 < karlp> holy shit sy8088 is retarded docs wise at least. 2017-11-09T11:17:06 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T11:17:13 < karlp> first hits are a confidential pdf, then nothing about the company at all :) 2017-11-09T11:17:48 < stvn> sy8088 you say 2017-11-09T11:19:18 < stvn> karlp: what do you want to do with sy8088 2017-11-09T11:19:45 < zyp> stvn, dongs is using it for some shit 2017-11-09T11:19:47 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-09T11:20:16 < stvn> hmm 2017-11-09T11:22:30 < stvn> http://www.willem-ua.com/datasheet.pdf 2017-11-09T11:22:33 < stvn> whats up with that 2017-11-09T11:23:06 < stvn> very generic url for a very specific document 2017-11-09T11:25:15 < karlp> first hit for me was https://img.ozdisan.com/ETicaret_Dosya/448394_6921389.pdf 2017-11-09T11:25:21 < karlp> which is watermarked with some company name :) 2017-11-09T11:25:51 < karlp> zyp: datasheet says to keep the FB network as far away from LX pin as possible, so better where it is vs swapped with EN. 2017-11-09T11:26:04 < zyp> heh 2017-11-09T11:26:25 < zyp> so put it on the other end of the board? 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I keep getting years old recommendations 2017-11-09T12:57:35 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T13:01:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-09T13:09:26 -!- mcastillo [~mcastillo@164.77.47.139] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T13:15:03 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T13:34:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-09T13:37:14 -!- mcastillo [~mcastillo@164.77.47.139] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-09T14:01:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T14:07:24 < dongs> what the fuck is recommendation 2017-11-09T14:07:48 < jadew> shit on the home page 2017-11-09T14:15:55 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T14:16:28 < DelvingDeeper> Does anyone know how to use the reset mode of the timer for a falling edge? Seems hard wired to a rising, but I just feel there must be a way >.< 2017-11-09T14:17:35 < qyx> and whats your trigger output? 2017-11-09T14:18:01 < qyx> wait, what.. are you resetting the timer by another master timer? 2017-11-09T14:18:07 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-09T14:18:09 < dongs> thats what he s doing 2017-11-09T14:18:16 < qyx> because theres also the etr 2017-11-09T14:19:39 < qyx> when resetting on a compare event, switching the mode to pwm2 should do the trick, shouldn't it? 2017-11-09T14:19:53 < qyx> other modes don't seem relevant (on enable, on update, etc) 2017-11-09T14:24:28 < DelvingDeeper> Dammit quickly left my desk 2017-11-09T14:24:40 < DelvingDeeper> I'm resetting by another incoming signal from an ADC 2017-11-09T14:24:53 < DelvingDeeper> Ill send a pic quick 2017-11-09T14:26:12 < DelvingDeeper> qyx: The falling edge of the DRDY signal lets my system know new data will be incoming. i want this to reset the counter and then have the counter go to lets say 96 counts for the 96 bits I'll be receiving 2017-11-09T14:26:13 < DelvingDeeper> https://imgur.com/a/AZDiI#Q8mf5DP 2017-11-09T14:26:35 < dongs> wait waht is this shit 2017-11-09T14:26:51 < dongs> what are you even trying to do 2017-11-09T14:27:03 < dongs> just use two spi channels 2017-11-09T14:27:09 < dongs> clock both from same shit 2017-11-09T14:27:12 < dongs> DMA that stuff 2017-11-09T14:27:17 < dongs> why are you fucking aroudn wiht tmers 2017-11-09T14:27:33 < DelvingDeeper> dongs: oh no... I'm letting the timer do the dma request.. 2017-11-09T14:27:36 < dongs> or maybe even QSPI if you can run it in 2bit mode, or if not, just do 4 bit and ignore the rest 2017-11-09T14:28:30 < qyx> wut 2017-11-09T14:28:34 < qyx> yes, use spi 2017-11-09T14:28:51 < DelvingDeeper> I don't think I'll be able to do this in SPI mode, the adc runs in master. It says spi not supported in the mode I'm using it 2017-11-09T14:28:58 < dongs> what 2017-11-09T14:29:06 < dongs> use SPI to clock the data in 2017-11-09T14:29:11 < dongs> not as acutal "spi" 2017-11-09T14:29:20 < qyx> just the spi peripheral 2017-11-09T14:29:22 < qyx> not spi as bus 2017-11-09T14:29:30 < qyx> ie. abuse it to clock data in 2017-11-09T14:29:50 < dongs> i've abused SPI before to clock in mpeg2ts from digital tv tuner 2017-11-09T14:29:56 < DelvingDeeper> Ah I get what you mean. use the "spi" 2017-11-09T14:30:18 < DelvingDeeper> This might solve a lot of my problems.. 2017-11-09T14:30:31 < dongs> youre surely not trying to get this data in as timer pulseas re you 2017-11-09T14:30:39 < DelvingDeeper> Timers get crazy with this sorta thing 2017-11-09T14:30:46 < dongs> because thats about as dumb as it sounds 2017-11-09T14:31:01 < DelvingDeeper> no I'm just letting the timer trigger DMA requests and then reading in 16 GPIO pins to memory 2017-11-09T14:31:42 < dongs> . 2017-11-09T14:31:50 < dongs> and ignoring all but 2 bits? 2017-11-09T14:32:05 < DelvingDeeper> ignoring all but 2 bits? 2017-11-09T14:32:22 < dongs> is tehre 0..15 DOUT or just DOUT0/1? 2017-11-09T14:32:38 < DelvingDeeper> Oh sorry using a SIPO shift register to shift it 2017-11-09T14:33:03 < dongs> damn thats some serious autism 2017-11-09T14:33:06 < dongs> SPI literally does that for you 2017-11-09T14:33:10 < dongs> for free 2017-11-09T14:33:32 < dongs> i mean i suppose this would work but damn youve been at it for weeks nwo 2017-11-09T14:33:38 < DelvingDeeper> Yeah I realize that now... 2017-11-09T14:34:02 < DelvingDeeper> I was following an app note and went down a loop hole 2017-11-09T14:35:18 < DelvingDeeper> asked on an stm forum and was provided with an app note by a mod 2017-11-09T14:35:20 < DelvingDeeper> ]fml 2017-11-09T14:35:34 < dongs> mod, more like troll 2017-11-09T14:36:15 < DelvingDeeper> nah defs a mod, just wasted a good two weeks 2017-11-09T14:38:41 < DelvingDeeper> Here it is: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/7a/88/df/e3/d3/36/40/29/DM00169730.pdf/files/DM00169730.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00169730.pdf 2017-11-09T14:39:19 < dongs> sure, i mean its an appnote about doing dumb shit, not an appnote about reading your ADC 2017-11-09T14:39:58 < dongs> there seems to be DOUT0..7 2017-11-09T14:40:11 < dongs> are you only intersted in 2 channels then? 2017-11-09T14:40:23 < dongs> cuz the SPI method doesnt scale 2017-11-09T14:40:30 < dongs> are you sure it cant output in pareallel model? 2017-11-09T14:40:38 < DelvingDeeper> Dongs: There is but I'm daisy chaining, it has an SPI mode, but it's not allowed when you daisy chain, I'm coupling three of these ADC's together 2017-11-09T14:41:07 < dongs> oic, up to 3 can be chained 2017-11-09T14:41:22 < dongs> or 2 2017-11-09T14:41:30 < dongs> no, 3 2017-11-09T14:41:35 < DelvingDeeper> Yip, daisy chaining 3 for 24 channels 2017-11-09T14:42:04 < DelvingDeeper> And then I wanted to use the shift register to increase the read speeds 2017-11-09T14:43:16 < dongs> whats the output rate on these 2017-11-09T14:43:21 < dongs> im too lazy to read shit i dont really care about 2017-11-09T14:43:34 < DelvingDeeper> anything from 4MHZ to 32 2017-11-09T14:43:49 < dongs> so you can still use SPI. does it output the sync clock for the data? 2017-11-09T14:43:52 < dongs> DCLK is output right? 2017-11-09T14:44:40 < DelvingDeeper> DCLK is always running and is the clk by which the data is shifted out 2017-11-09T14:44:57 < DelvingDeeper> DRDY pulses when new data is about to be shifted out 2017-11-09T14:48:25 < DelvingDeeper> So scrape everything and rather implement spi? 2017-11-09T14:50:57 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-09T14:50:58 < dongs> i would 2017-11-09T14:51:11 < dongs> how soon after drdy do you ened to read? 2017-11-09T14:51:18 < dongs> immediately? 2017-11-09T14:51:24 < DelvingDeeper> yep, immediately 2017-11-09T14:51:25 < dongs> maybe you can ghetto it up wiht some latches as SPI slave select 2017-11-09T14:51:31 < dongs> so it pulses but stays latched 2017-11-09T14:51:36 < dongs> then its all automatic 2017-11-09T14:51:51 < dongs> you setup 2 spi channels wiht DMA, same clock to both, serial input to both 2017-11-09T14:51:59 < Thorn> wtf https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web 2017-11-09T14:51:59 < dongs> then fire it up and done 2017-11-09T14:52:07 < dongs> Thorn: mega old 2017-11-09T14:52:58 < Thorn> is it like html5 lilbusb? 2017-11-09T14:53:03 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-09T14:55:01 < DelvingDeeper> dongs: This sorts alot of my problems. thanks a lot. 2017-11-09T14:55:11 < DelvingDeeper> feelin stupid af rightnow 2017-11-09T14:55:36 < dongs> make sure you pick SPIs that can have separate DMA channels etc. with some plannig, but it should work 2017-11-09T14:55:46 < dongs> at least less insane than sampling gpio 2017-11-09T14:57:21 < dongs> anyway, your current shit should also work, i dont really see why its not 2017-11-09T14:57:29 < DelvingDeeper> This was all ok'd by my supervisors aswell >.< I'll have another chat with them 2017-11-09T14:57:30 < dongs> youre clocking DMA by DCLK 2017-11-09T14:57:37 < dongs> so it *should* work 2017-11-09T14:57:50 < dongs> all you really need to do is fire it up on a EXTI or something 2017-11-09T14:57:53 < dongs> why is tehre a timer involveD? 2017-11-09T14:58:11 < dongs> or even two timers, wiht master/wtc shit 2017-11-09T14:58:23 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T14:58:33 < dongs> maybe timer w/ETR to external reset, clock it from DCLK, and setup DMA 2017-11-09T14:59:52 < DelvingDeeper> I'm not using the timers at all.. The timer just sends a dma request when a rising edge is detected on its pin. The DMA then reads 8 or 16 bits to memory. I never use the timer handler or anything, So essentially I'm just telling the DMA take all the bits on the gpio and store them in memory 2017-11-09T15:00:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T15:02:39 < zyp> karlp, https://electrek.co/2017/11/08/abb-iceland-fast-charging-electric-car-stations/ 2017-11-09T15:02:46 < zyp> no excuse anymore :p 2017-11-09T15:03:12 < karlp> no excuse for what? 2017-11-09T15:04:25 < c10ud> "The advantages with this type of fast charger can be found in the multi-protocol design, which supports cloud-based technology." 2017-11-09T15:04:26 < c10ud> orly 2017-11-09T15:04:44 < zyp> wat 2017-11-09T15:04:47 < karlp> there, there's a shitty soap protocol for talking to charger posts about billing and charging details 2017-11-09T15:04:59 < zyp> yeah, OCCP or something 2017-11-09T15:05:02 < karlp> eyah, that one. 2017-11-09T15:05:14 < karlp> and because that's a server somewhere, that qualifies as "cloud!" 2017-11-09T15:05:52 < zyp> weird thing to focus on 2017-11-09T15:08:18 < zyp> the ABB chargers are good though 2017-11-09T15:09:07 < zyp> the norwegian chargepoint operators like mixing chargers at the locations, probably to give multi-vendor redundancy 2017-11-09T15:10:21 < karlp> I've only see private ones and these ON ones so far, and that's a local power company, and currently it's all been promo-free, no idea what the real plan is going to be. 2017-11-09T15:10:33 < karlp> oh, ikea has some different ones I guess. 2017-11-09T15:10:47 < karlp> they're going to need a lot more soonish, than just adding 15. 2017-11-09T15:10:52 < zyp> are you mixing fast chargers and slow chargers now? 2017-11-09T15:10:59 < karlp> probably. 2017-11-09T15:11:07 < zyp> sounded like it 2017-11-09T15:11:30 < karlp> but for what I presume is fast chargers, I've only seen one type, though I think ikea has different ones. 2017-11-09T15:11:40 < karlp> ikea at least has spaces for maybe 20 cars. 2017-11-09T15:11:44 < karlp> some other shops have like 1. 2017-11-09T15:11:48 < karlp> so they can say they're cool 2017-11-09T15:12:05 < karlp> but really it's just for tha car shared by staff or something 2017-11-09T15:12:28 < zyp> 20 cars in one spot? that'd be slow chargers 2017-11-09T15:12:41 < zyp> i.e. just feed AC to the internal charger in the car 2017-11-09T15:13:49 < karlp> doubt it, it's probably 6 posts, 4 cars each or something. 2017-11-09T15:14:05 < zyp> doubt what? 2017-11-09T15:14:05 * karlp shrugs 2017-11-09T15:14:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T15:14:25 < karlp> not buying a new car this year or next, not buying a second hand electric either 2017-11-09T15:14:30 < zyp> hehe 2017-11-09T15:14:38 < karlp> might buy a newtome car next year though 2017-11-09T15:14:51 < zyp> I mean, even in norway I haven't seen more than four fast chargers in one spot 2017-11-09T15:15:03 < karlp> more annoyed by the failing windscreen heater in my current car honestly. 2017-11-09T15:15:04 < zyp> (apart from tesla, but they don't count) 2017-11-09T15:15:14 < karlp> still works on half, but the passenger half. 2017-11-09T15:15:26 < karlp> not sure that's fixable without a windscreen replacement 2017-11-09T15:15:45 < zyp> windscreen heater? electric? 2017-11-09T15:15:48 < karlp> yeah 2017-11-09T15:16:04 < zyp> which car do you have? 2017-11-09T15:16:11 < karlp> fine zigzag pattern all over the windscreen you don't see until you look for it, but suppppper nice in winter :) 2017-11-09T15:16:21 < karlp> ford focus stationwagon, 2005. 2017-11-09T15:16:32 < zyp> ah, I were suspecting ford 2017-11-09T15:16:52 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T15:16:52 < zyp> I remember the driving school car I got my license in had that, that was also a ford 2017-11-09T15:17:08 < karlp> had to stand outside and scrape ice this morning like a fucking pleb 2017-11-09T15:17:41 < karlp> bright side, I can just leave my frozen groceries in the car :) 2017-11-09T15:17:50 < zyp> electric windscreen heaters doesn't seem very common 2017-11-09T15:18:18 < zyp> I mean, my car has that, but the argument there is that it saves electricity since it's more efficient than heating air to blow at it 2017-11-09T15:20:41 < karlp> it's a massive night and day difference vs hot air 2017-11-09T15:21:00 < karlp> at least in any car I've drive, you've got to wait for the air to get hot first. and then it only starts in one area, and expands out 2017-11-09T15:21:14 < zyp> true 2017-11-09T15:21:45 < zyp> does it have some sort of timer or remote function so you can have your car ice free by the time you get into it? 2017-11-09T15:22:02 < karlp> I can get in, press "max heat now!" (it got a special button and everything) and it's deiced the windscreen enough to get clean in 20-30secs 2017-11-09T15:22:11 < karlp> hell no, it's a 12 year old focus, 2017-11-09T15:22:26 < karlp> I don't even have an aux in or usb for the radio. 2017-11-09T15:22:30 < zyp> haha 2017-11-09T15:22:42 < karlp> I have such modern features as side airbags 2017-11-09T15:22:54 < zyp> well, heater timers aren't all that new :p 2017-11-09T15:23:15 < zyp> pretty sure that existed in 2005 2017-11-09T15:23:26 < karlp> oh sure, but not on this. 2017-11-09T15:23:30 < zyp> but yeah, agreed on the convenience 2017-11-09T15:23:54 < karlp> it's in the manual iirc, there was an extended winter pack that you had to program timings into, sounded reallllly obtuse to actually set up 2017-11-09T15:23:59 < zyp> I think I forgot my ice scrape in my old car when I scrapped it and I haven't bothered getting a new one yet 2017-11-09T15:30:21 < zyp> this place used to be europe's largest EV charging point: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/QAKYw.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/jPRl7.jpg 2017-11-09T15:30:31 < zyp> I think it has been dethroned, but I haven't been following 2017-11-09T15:31:09 < zyp> that's 20 tesla chargers, four normal fast chargers (chademo/ccs) and four 22kW AC outlets 2017-11-09T15:32:11 < karlp> hrm, these look like regular slow chargers, but they're not the ones that they have now, they just haven't updaetd their website: https://www.ikea.is/hledsla 2017-11-09T15:32:49 < zyp> yeah, all of those are AC points 2017-11-09T15:33:24 < zyp> which is reasonable enough, AC points are way cheaper and good for a place you might spend a couple of hours shopping or whatever 2017-11-09T15:33:48 < zyp> on a DC fast charger, I typically need like 20 minutes 2017-11-09T15:34:07 < Thorn> https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23316726_619808951741466_5316907541879950906_n.jpg?oh=8915386f790de13e725d60f9e62f4b1f&oe=5A9FB448 2017-11-09T15:34:37 < karlp> yeah, they have new points in a different sectoin of the carpark,right in the middle front now, and those are much bigger stations, and look like fast chargers, can't find a pic 2017-11-09T15:35:07 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-09T15:35:21 < zyp> might be, but I doubt there's more than a few of those 2017-11-09T15:35:54 < zyp> my local ikea only has like 8-10 standard power outlets for free charging 2017-11-09T15:36:14 < karlp> well, enough of this :) 2017-11-09T15:36:18 < zyp> and recently they partnered with fortum, so there's now also four fast chargers and a couple of 22kW points outside 2017-11-09T15:36:22 < zyp> hehe 2017-11-09T15:43:00 < karlp> anyone going to be in köben next week? let's have a beer! 2017-11-09T15:55:09 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:02:47 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-09T16:05:24 -!- mentar [~quassel@38.ip-51-254-125.eu] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:10:43 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f49f:e703:fd68:f9ba] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:10:49 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:27:16 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/i4hkHgr 2017-11-09T16:27:31 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". 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[this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b] 2017-11-09T16:29:40 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/4CqERc2 2017-11-09T16:32:35 < Laurenceb> cringe level: over 9000 2017-11-09T16:33:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:33:33 < Laurenceb> Bill Nye confirmed as autist wizard 2017-11-09T16:35:34 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:35:37 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-09T16:37:03 < Laurenceb> >be Bill Nye, a well-known fedora >go to fedora central > be so autistic you piss off the Fedoras 2017-11-09T16:44:03 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-09T16:44:21 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:47:45 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-09T16:48:18 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T16:57:48 -!- ReadErr [readerror@very.legit.website] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T17:00:48 < qyx> lol irc nanny 2017-11-09T17:01:53 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-09T17:03:01 < daey> karlp: köben sounds german 2017-11-09T17:03:35 < daey> ah its old germany :P 2017-11-09T17:04:08 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T17:07:15 * karlp grins 2017-11-09T17:07:19 < karlp> don't tell them that ;) 2017-11-09T17:12:23 < Laurenceb> everyone here likes matlab right? 2017-11-09T17:16:19 < Laurenceb> I've just written some epin matlab codez https://pastebin.com/0iP8paP5 2017-11-09T17:16:26 < Laurenceb> enjoy 2017-11-09T17:16:34 < dongs> well guess what 2017-11-09T17:16:39 < dongs> it doesnt look any better htan your C code 2017-11-09T17:17:26 < Laurenceb> its a combination might be useful/might be useful for trolling script 2017-11-09T17:24:17 < Laurenceb> now I just have to sit in a field to get good enough data 2017-11-09T17:29:40 -!- emeryth [~emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T17:32:42 < Laurenceb> >The man behind Germany’s most famous escort website is a 26-year-old obese man from Dortmund who still lives in his mother’s basement. 2017-11-09T17:32:47 < Laurenceb> imagine my shock 2017-11-09T17:36:59 < qyx> lost nearly an hour debugging 2017-11-09T17:37:04 < qyx> sizeof(64) -> 64 2017-11-09T17:37:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T17:37:37 < karlp> qyx: que? 2017-11-09T17:38:11 < qyx> I simply rewrote sizeof(var) to sizeof(64) instead of just 64 2017-11-09T17:38:52 < zyp> haha 2017-11-09T17:39:02 < karlp> but how does sizeof(64) end up as 64? 2017-11-09T17:39:04 < dongs> lole 2017-11-09T17:39:06 < dongs> it doesnt 2017-11-09T17:39:07 < zyp> it doesn't 2017-11-09T17:39:08 < dongs> thats the problem 2017-11-09T17:39:09 < zyp> that's the bug 2017-11-09T17:39:56 < qyx> yes 2017-11-09T17:43:45 < daey> Laurenceb: isnt that the beauty of the online business? 2017-11-09T17:47:08 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T17:51:33 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T17:54:12 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T18:03:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-09T18:07:08 < Thorn> https://torontolife.com/food/restaurant-ruined-life/ 2017-11-09T18:08:17 < englishman> surely karlp you're talking about rear windscreen heater 2017-11-09T18:09:12 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BbRsbPLnWt1/ 2017-11-09T18:09:26 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". 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[this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b] 2017-11-09T18:10:03 < englishman> thanks 2017-11-09T18:10:22 < dongs> saved you a click 2017-11-09T18:10:51 < englishman> the thanks was for thorn, i got to see a bobcat eat a hand 2017-11-09T18:11:07 < Thorn> it's a mountain lion 2017-11-09T18:13:57 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T18:14:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEWHMfTEV0 2017-11-09T18:19:21 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceaVvMoWMKs 2017-11-09T18:27:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-09T18:39:11 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-09T18:52:53 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/JxHPjaj7 2017-11-09T18:53:06 < Laurenceb> seems to work - just badly tumbling around sensor on my desk 2017-11-09T19:00:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:00:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-09T19:00:15 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:00:15 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-09T19:00:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:04:33 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6df3:bc76:6ecc:92e6] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:10:55 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:10:55 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-09T19:10:55 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:12:48 < englishman> looks like im spending all day purchasing again 2017-11-09T19:13:06 < BrainDamage> are you going to get a new purse? 2017-11-09T19:13:07 < Laurenceb> looks like I'm waiting all day for single code matlab to finish again 2017-11-09T19:13:24 < englishman> after the next few weeks i might just buy all of louis vuitton 2017-11-09T19:13:54 < Laurenceb> cpu8: 100% 2017-11-09T19:14:03 < Laurenceb> utilising all muh power here 2017-11-09T19:14:31 < englishman> clearly not your programming power tho 2017-11-09T19:14:32 < Steffanx> I heard ARROW doesnt deliver 2017-11-09T19:14:36 < englishman> if you wrote single threaded methlab 2017-11-09T19:14:40 < englishman> Steffanx: truth 2017-11-09T19:14:45 < englishman> at least they will replace the parts!! 2017-11-09T19:14:55 < englishman> that i paid for and they didnt ship 2017-11-09T19:16:14 < qyx> ok, initialize_monitor_handles() cannot be called even if no semihosting is actually used 2017-11-09T19:16:21 < qyx> learing every day 2017-11-09T19:18:59 < c10ud> is there any open lis3dsh code doing calib wandering around? 2017-11-09T19:19:16 < qyx> ask Laurenceb 2017-11-09T19:19:17 < c10ud> just want to be ready when the evals arrive 2017-11-09T19:19:42 < qyx> he is usually doing some woodoo with mems sensors 2017-11-09T19:19:42 < c10ud> Laurenceb, hi ^ 2017-11-09T19:19:52 < Laurenceb> lol I'm writing some atm 2017-11-09T19:20:19 < qyx> be prepared it will contain no spaces 2017-11-09T19:20:24 < c10ud> are you working with a dual config? 2017-11-09T19:20:46 < Laurenceb> current code needs a bit of fine tuning prob 2017-11-09T19:20:47 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/M7dALTu2 2017-11-09T19:20:55 < Laurenceb> dual config? whats that? 2017-11-09T19:22:07 < c10ud> I want to use two lis3dsh with stm32f4 and get differential results from a moving thing 2017-11-09T19:22:14 < c10ud> that's why I need calibration 2017-11-09T19:22:25 < Laurenceb> ah 2017-11-09T19:22:48 < Laurenceb> 6 point cal should get you down to <0.1% sensitivity error 2017-11-09T19:23:02 < Laurenceb> they seem to differ by ~ +-0.5% from the factory 2017-11-09T19:24:18 < c10ud> well to be honest I think in my case it's not really the factory calibration but how they're mounted 2017-11-09T19:25:18 < c10ud> if I'm going to monitor variations between each other I just need to clear up which axis is what 2017-11-09T19:26:10 < c10ud> e.g. a variation on z may contain some angle bias on the other 2017-11-09T19:26:18 < Laurenceb> ah 2017-11-09T19:26:26 < Laurenceb> yeah thats not really what my code is about 2017-11-09T19:26:46 < c10ud> i see mag, gyro and accel, is this some sort of imu? 2017-11-09T19:28:13 < c10ud> I may have a question for you though, how are you getting data out from stm32? I'm dev'ing on disco 2017-11-09T19:28:23 < c10ud> if I can avoid hooking up a serial port, better 2017-11-09T19:28:56 < c10ud> printf with keil could be enough (i expect around 20kbps) 2017-11-09T19:30:32 < qyx> ^ semihosting 2017-11-09T19:31:01 < qyx> but it is not very fast, at least with openocd 2017-11-09T19:31:21 < upgrdman> regarding cpu instructions, whats the diff between "issue" and "dispatch" 2017-11-09T19:32:02 < Laurenceb> its a custom usb device 2017-11-09T19:32:13 < Laurenceb> yeah its an imu 2017-11-09T19:32:16 -!- munki_ [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:33:24 < c10ud> I'll try and see 2017-11-09T19:35:38 < englishman> Laurenceb: what do you think of theory of operation of MMC5883MA 2017-11-09T19:35:47 < englishman> However, the influence of a strong magnetic field 2017-11-09T19:35:47 < englishman> (more than 10 G) in any direction could upset, or flip, 2017-11-09T19:35:47 < englishman> the polarity of the film, thus changing the sensor 2017-11-09T19:35:47 < englishman> characteristics. A strong restoring magnetic field must 2017-11-09T19:35:47 < englishman> be applied momentarily to restore, or set, the sensor 2017-11-09T19:35:47 < englishman> characteristics. The MEMSIC magnetic sensor has an 2017-11-09T19:35:47 < englishman> on-chip magnetically coupled strap: a SET/RESET 2017-11-09T19:35:48 < englishman> strap pulsed with a high current, to provide the 2017-11-09T19:35:48 < englishman> restoring magnetic field. 2017-11-09T19:35:49 < englishman> liek wtf 2017-11-09T19:36:24 < Laurenceb> sounds like regular degaussing 2017-11-09T19:36:33 < englishman> yeah but why is this the only mag 2017-11-09T19:36:35 < Laurenceb> nothing weird 2017-11-09T19:36:49 < englishman> does lis3mdl do degaussing 2017-11-09T19:36:51 < Laurenceb> all magnos have set/reset or at least reset 2017-11-09T19:36:54 < Laurenceb> yes 2017-11-09T19:36:58 < englishman> o rly 2017-11-09T19:36:59 < Laurenceb> but badly 2017-11-09T19:37:10 < englishman> yeah because this requires 10uf external cap to get enough current 2017-11-09T19:37:14 < Laurenceb> so it has a temperature dependent offset 2017-11-09T19:37:30 < Laurenceb> I might do a new pcb with lis2 instead 2017-11-09T19:37:34 < Laurenceb> as its more stable 2017-11-09T19:37:48 < Laurenceb> need to check out magnetic anomalies around vehicles first 2017-11-09T19:38:03 < englishman> do you want some of these MMC5883MA breakout boards 2017-11-09T19:38:18 < Laurenceb> I'm ok thanks 2017-11-09T19:38:21 < Laurenceb> MMC is noisy 2017-11-09T19:38:32 < Laurenceb> ST (non lis3) ftw 2017-11-09T19:38:37 < englishman> did you check out this one? it's pretty different from all their other mags 2017-11-09T19:38:52 < englishman> anyway im already sending it to one guy for characterization 2017-11-09T19:39:10 < Laurenceb> ooh ok 2017-11-09T19:39:12 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T19:39:13 < Laurenceb> 600hz 2017-11-09T19:40:36 < Laurenceb> and lower noise than lis3 2017-11-09T19:43:56 < Laurenceb> nice, +-1 degree or so over temperature 2017-11-09T19:44:12 < Laurenceb> lis3 is more like +-7 degree just over my operating temp range 2017-11-09T19:44:32 < Laurenceb> but i2c and no drdy pin :( 2017-11-09T19:44:39 < englishman> it has pushpull int 2017-11-09T19:44:50 < qyx> isnt it switchable between spi and i2c 2017-11-09T19:44:54 < Laurenceb> hmm 2017-11-09T19:45:00 < englishman> but yea i2c only 2017-11-09T19:45:32 < englishman> INT_Meas_Done_EN Writing “1”will enable the interrupt when a magnetic or temperature measurement even is 2017-11-09T19:45:32 < englishman> completed. 2017-11-09T19:45:41 < Laurenceb> oh cool 2017-11-09T19:46:19 < Laurenceb> but no i2c spare reee 2017-11-09T19:49:22 < englishman> design flaw 2017-11-09T19:49:50 < Laurenceb> ah no I can do it 2017-11-09T19:50:02 < Laurenceb> just need to move indicator led to lis3 CS pin 2017-11-09T19:50:17 < Laurenceb> v2 pcb in the works 2017-11-09T19:53:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:54:12 < qyx> did you order those pcbs in china? 2017-11-09T19:54:23 < qyx> or was is someone else raging recently 2017-11-09T19:54:48 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-09T19:55:20 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T19:55:48 < Laurenceb> nah pcb train 2017-11-09T19:55:56 < Laurenceb> pube-pcb mantrain 2017-11-09T19:58:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T20:00:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T20:05:38 < englishman> Steffanx: AVNET site is down 2017-11-09T20:05:41 < englishman> fuckkkkkkkk 2017-11-09T20:07:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-09T20:07:23 < englishman> downforeveryoneorjustme.com took too long to respond. 2017-11-09T20:07:23 < englishman> lol 2017-11-09T20:07:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T20:09:53 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T20:13:17 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T20:14:41 < Laurenceb> >I'm not unemployable I'm autistic 2017-11-09T20:14:45 < upgrdman> is avnet a nice vendor? 2017-11-09T20:15:09 < zyp> doesn't sound like it 2017-11-09T20:15:33 < englishman> they are the only ones in the world with this samtec connector in stock 2017-11-09T20:15:40 < englishman> so today, they are a nice vendor 2017-11-09T20:15:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-09T20:17:21 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T20:17:52 < upgrdman> i like how you define nice 2017-11-09T20:26:31 < aandrew> samtec is pretty awesome 2017-11-09T20:26:35 < aandrew> expensive, but awesome 2017-11-09T20:27:03 < englishman> and slow 2017-11-09T20:27:05 < englishman> very very slow 2017-11-09T20:27:21 < aandrew> slow? not for samples anyway 2017-11-09T20:27:28 < aandrew> sudden service 2017-11-09T20:27:29 < englishman> 5 days minimum ship time for anything 2017-11-09T20:27:42 < aandrew> maybe that's recent 2017-11-09T20:27:52 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.53.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T20:34:27 < Steffanx> isnt avnet very related to arrow? 2017-11-09T20:36:06 < kakimir> I wonder if chkdsk.exe for failing hard drive 2017-11-09T20:36:11 < kakimir> is actually good or bad 2017-11-09T20:36:31 < englishman> Steffanx: pretty sure yeah 2017-11-09T20:36:33 < englishman> and verical 2017-11-09T20:36:38 < kakimir> does it crete more problems than solutions 2017-11-09T20:37:06 < kakimir> ETA: 999:00:00 . 2017-11-09T20:37:20 < kakimir> I wonder if first one is hours 2017-11-09T20:38:58 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T20:59:26 -!- Ultrasauce [~quassel@142.163.117.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-09T21:02:32 < kakimir> better pull the drive off now 2017-11-09T21:02:43 < Steffanx> Better get that back up drive. 2017-11-09T21:02:49 < kakimir> better it is 2017-11-09T21:03:12 < kakimir> I wonder if there is any tricks 2017-11-09T21:03:20 < kakimir> to make it last just the backup 2017-11-09T21:03:39 < kakimir> some throw it in the freezer type of tricks? 2017-11-09T21:03:45 < kakimir> is it a thing? 2017-11-09T21:04:36 < Steffanx> What is it not doing? 2017-11-09T21:05:05 < kakimir> it's working 2017-11-09T21:05:13 < Steffanx> So what is the problem? 2017-11-09T21:05:40 < kakimir> but I wonder if it will fail during bakcup 2017-11-09T21:17:29 < qyx> jpa-: do you use travis? their is 2.5.0, did you try to solve it somehow? 2017-11-09T21:17:37 < qyx> *their protoc 2017-11-09T21:17:48 < qyx> *too old 2017-11-09T21:17:57 < qyx> *no oneof support 2017-11-09T21:20:45 -!- DelvingDeeper_ [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T21:21:54 -!- DelvingDeeper_ [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-09T21:27:03 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T21:27:22 < jpa-> qyx: yeah, it just downloads binary and installs it https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/blob/master/.travis.yml 2017-11-09T21:38:41 < qyx> jpa-: cool, but no worky 2017-11-09T21:38:59 < qyx> Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/test-easy-install-3277.write-test' 2017-11-09T21:39:12 < qyx> probably I did something wrong 2017-11-09T21:39:20 < jpa-> https://travis-ci.org/nanopb/nanopb/jobs/285014695 maybe compare with what happens here? 2017-11-09T21:39:55 < jpa-> permission denied sounds like it is not using virtualenv 2017-11-09T21:41:13 < jpa-> because for me it says "Installing easy_install script to /home/travis/virtualenv/python2.7.13/bin" 2017-11-09T21:42:09 < qyx> na ja 2017-11-09T21:42:23 < qyx> my build misses the source ~/virtualenv/python2.7/bin/activate line 2017-11-09T21:43:07 < qyx> probably because I am using language c instead of language python 2017-11-09T21:43:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T21:48:16 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-09T21:48:32 -!- Ultrasauce [~quassel@142.163.117.67] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T21:52:27 < qyx> jpa-: thanks, works now 2017-11-09T21:53:07 < englishman> Steffanx: sigh 2017-11-09T21:53:13 < englishman> ordered 1.5k resistor reel 2017-11-09T21:53:15 < englishman> got 1.54k 2017-11-09T21:53:51 < Ultrasauce> 5% 2017-11-09T21:54:03 < englishman> yes 2017-11-09T21:54:10 < englishman> but i asked nicely for 1% 2017-11-09T21:54:46 < Ultrasauce> werent you like "i know arrow is shit but those prices!!" 2017-11-09T21:54:58 < Ultrasauce> may as well get shit from fleabay 2017-11-09T21:54:59 < englishman> this wasnt from arrow! 2017-11-09T22:02:25 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Quit: power move] 2017-11-09T22:06:44 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T22:10:02 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:f49f:e703:fd68:f9ba] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-09T22:23:12 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-09T22:23:52 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T22:26:43 < jadew> anyone using cheap ultrasonic cleaners to clean PCBs? 2017-11-09T22:27:52 < englishman> <- 2017-11-09T22:28:09 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-09T22:28:27 < jadew> do they do a good job? any problems with them? I've read posts on how fixed frequency is not ok for PCB cleaning 2017-11-09T22:28:53 < englishman> hocus pocus 2017-11-09T22:28:58 < jadew> I'm considering this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3L-Digital-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Bath-Tank-Cleaning-Machine-w-Timer-UK/351866659187 2017-11-09T22:29:02 < jadew> the 3L one 2017-11-09T22:29:30 < englishman> make sure your shit will fit 2017-11-09T22:29:34 < englishman> 3L is pretty small 2017-11-09T22:29:46 < jadew> hmm 2017-11-09T22:30:26 < jadew> what style is that? 2017-11-09T22:30:37 < jadew> englishman, how big is yours? 2017-11-09T22:30:39 < invzim> fuuuu st 2017-11-09T22:30:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-09T22:31:03 < englishman> jadew, 3L 2017-11-09T22:31:06 < englishman> plastic 2017-11-09T22:31:30 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dAE79K7P4zaGsYGOvNAa2e2UgpQAZuGH/view 2017-11-09T22:31:30 < jadew> I see, think I could put a bunch of 10x15 cm boards in it? 2017-11-09T22:31:40 < invzim> small circle or big circle pin1 ? 2017-11-09T22:31:46 < englishman> maybe, i dont think its 10cm deep 2017-11-09T22:32:07 < jadew> hmm I better find a user manual 2017-11-09T22:32:08 < englishman> but tbh i dont use it anymore 2017-11-09T22:32:10 < jadew> thanks for the heads up 2017-11-09T22:32:15 < englishman> since i just make clean boards from the get go 2017-11-09T22:32:22 < jadew> how do you manage that? 2017-11-09T22:32:29 < englishman> good paste and not dicking up 2017-11-09T22:33:00 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T22:33:14 < jadew> I didn't try the lead-free stuff yet, only been using some cheap leaded paste from ebay for testing 2017-11-09T22:34:22 < jadew> superbia, interesting 2017-11-09T22:34:51 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-09T22:35:03 < jadew> but seems a bit messy / disorganized 2017-11-09T22:35:26 < englishman> throw that poison shit in the garbage 2017-11-09T22:36:01 < jadew> superbia, yeah 2017-11-09T22:36:08 < invzim> small circle.. 2017-11-09T22:36:52 < jadew> superbia, not because that's the kind of person I am, but because I don't like shit in the way of what I'm doing 2017-11-09T22:40:08 < Steffanx> 11 X 7 X 8 1/2 INCHES how is that not 10cm (after conversion?) deep? 2017-11-09T22:40:37 < jadew> maybe it's 8 and a half inches, not 8/2 2017-11-09T22:40:38 < jadew> ? 2017-11-09T22:42:53 < Steffanx> Who was that guy here doing his own ultra sonic drill thing? 2017-11-09T22:44:11 < englishman> jadew: 11x7x8.5 inches is 10 litres 2017-11-09T22:44:16 < englishman> pretty sure thats exterior dimensions 2017-11-09T22:44:24 < Steffanx> yes, <3 confusing you guys :P 2017-11-09T22:44:47 < jadew> ah, I didn't even realize you were talking about the cleaner lol 2017-11-09T22:45:03 < jadew> I'm super tired, been awake for 20+ hours 2017-11-09T22:45:26 < Steffanx> Are you in terry mode? 2017-11-09T22:46:06 < jadew> don't know what that is, but probably no, I just couldn't sleep 2017-11-09T22:46:24 < jadew> and now I want to stay up late so I wake up at a normal hour tomorrow 2017-11-09T22:46:27 < Steffanx> You know terry right? I read he is on a 48/hour scheme 2017-11-09T22:46:38 < jadew> oh, I don't 2017-11-09T22:46:45 < jadew> he must be young 2017-11-09T22:46:51 < jadew> cuz I could do that when I was 20 2017-11-09T22:47:06 < Steffanx> Does TempleOS ring a bell? 2017-11-09T22:47:12 < jadew> ah, that terry haha 2017-11-09T22:48:12 < Steffanx> How is ranewen, superbia? 2017-11-09T22:49:43 < jadew> the tank size on that 3L cleaner would fit my board, but I don't think it would fit in the basket 2017-11-09T22:50:21 < jadew> they should give the basket size instead 2017-11-09T22:51:22 < Steffanx> If the basket is like an inch smaller than the tank, it should fit right? 2017-11-09T22:51:25 < Steffanx> 16x10 2017-11-09T22:51:50 < jadew> yeah, tightly 2017-11-09T22:52:06 < jadew> and I guess I can stack a couple on top of each other 2017-11-09T22:52:31 < Steffanx> Just go without the tray or make something yourself? 2017-11-09T22:52:47 < jadew> good idea about making a holder myself 2017-11-09T22:53:04 < jadew> as for without the tray, apparently it's not a good idea to rest the PCB on the bottom 2017-11-09T22:53:15 < jadew> I think it shouldn't touch the container at all 2017-11-09T22:53:37 < jadew> being chinese, I can only guess that it would explode 2017-11-09T22:53:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-09T22:55:37 < Steffanx> Heh, i never head of the word on the device before: "admonition" 2017-11-09T22:55:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-09T22:56:15 < jadew> they cleaned up the rest, it used to be worse 2017-11-09T22:56:43 < jadew> ah, nvm, they didn't 2017-11-09T22:56:57 < jadew> it's with the original chinglish, only the brand has changed 2017-11-09T22:57:20 < jadew> I'm watching a review and it says something else instead of "DIGITAL ..." 2017-11-09T22:58:12 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:6df3:bc76:6ecc:92e6] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-09T23:01:05 < karlp> englishman: no, front windscreen heater. rear window heaters are shitty and lame and who cares, those plebs are behind you. 2017-11-09T23:01:20 < zyp> agreed 2017-11-09T23:01:53 < zyp> same goes for rear window wipers, I kinda wish my car didn't have that 2017-11-09T23:02:16 < jadew> you're not getting much rain in there? 2017-11-09T23:02:20 < zyp> because all it does is drag shit across the window when I turn it on by accident 2017-11-09T23:02:39 < karlp> englishman: this shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quickclear 2017-11-09T23:02:45 < zyp> jadew, plenty of rain, but why the fuck do I care about the rear window? 2017-11-09T23:02:55 < Steffanx> I never had that issue, zyp. And i like a clear rear window 2017-11-09T23:03:07 -!- Tectu_ is now known as tectu 2017-11-09T23:03:10 -!- tectu is now known as Tectu 2017-11-09T23:03:13 < jadew> zyp, don't know... it's useful when you stop or on the highway 2017-11-09T23:03:35 < zyp> idk, I don't find it very useful 2017-11-09T23:04:21 < zyp> I can tell whether there's a car behind me or not even if it's dirty 2017-11-09T23:04:49 < zyp> and IMO it looks nicer with an even layer of shit across the window than a smear in the middle :p 2017-11-09T23:05:32 < Steffanx> You can clean it with rear window sprayer right? 2017-11-09T23:05:55 < zyp> sure, still looks like shit 2017-11-09T23:06:22 < jadew> I prefer the sedan cars, the window never gets dirty 2017-11-09T23:06:31 < jadew> *rear window 2017-11-09T23:06:56 < Steffanx> but i can imagine the roads in norway are a bit muddier. Dont you guys use sand when it's snowy/icy on the road? 2017-11-09T23:07:10 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-09T23:07:13 < zyp> sand and/or salt 2017-11-09T23:07:54 < zyp> worst conditions to drive in are after snow has melted, dirty wet roads 2017-11-09T23:07:59 < BrainDamage> here people just use bottles of warm water to defrost the windshield in the morning 2017-11-09T23:08:45 < zyp> take a long trip in conditions like that and you'll go through a can of windshield fluid in a day 2017-11-09T23:08:46 < Steffanx> Nothing wakes me better than getting rid of the ice on the windows of my car by hand. 2017-11-09T23:09:14 < Steffanx> Not even coffee can beat that 2017-11-09T23:09:19 < zyp> haha 2017-11-09T23:09:26 < jadew> lol 2017-11-09T23:10:36 < zyp> Steffanx, can I call you when my car needs to be dug out then? 2017-11-09T23:10:44 < Steffanx> Are Italian cars made for that BrainDamage? Can i do that with my Fiat too? 2017-11-09T23:10:56 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/G8hqe.jpg <- pic from last winter 2017-11-09T23:10:59 < BrainDamage> what do you mean 'made for that'? 2017-11-09T23:11:15 < zyp> I like how it has like 25cm of snow on the rear window and nothing on the roof 2017-11-09T23:11:17 < Steffanx> As in: does the glass never ever crack. 2017-11-09T23:11:43 < BrainDamage> no idea, I've never done with mine since i have a covered parking spot 2017-11-09T23:12:02 < Steffanx> nah zyp. I wouldnt visit norway in the winter. 2017-11-09T23:12:08 < zyp> aww 2017-11-09T23:12:16 < BrainDamage> but i imagine not particularry, you'd first have to raise the ice/water slush temperature 2017-11-09T23:12:17 < jadew> seems I have it the worst, my car is usually half under snow 2017-11-09T23:12:22 < BrainDamage> then the glass below 2017-11-09T23:12:40 < jadew> and I have to get up really early to dig it out, so my wife can get to work 2017-11-09T23:13:21 < jadew> and each night when they clear the road, they throw that snow on our car 2017-11-09T23:13:32 < Steffanx> hah 2017-11-09T23:13:37 < jadew> by morning all that show is frozen and forming a fence around the car 2017-11-09T23:13:51 < jadew> that's always a pleasure to deal with 2017-11-09T23:13:56 < Steffanx> Get yourself a better parking spot 2017-11-09T23:14:43 < jadew> don't think there are any around my building 2017-11-09T23:16:47 < karlp> superbia: love the ichiban vibrating using the sander :) 2017-11-09T23:18:21 < karlp> last car didn't have a working rear wiper for the last *who knows* years of it's life, not hugely important. 2017-11-09T23:23:11 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-09T23:25:55 < englishman> karlp: neat, never seen a front electric windscreen heater before 2017-11-09T23:26:02 < englishman> course i park in a garage 2017-11-09T23:27:19 < karlp> it's _wonderful_ 2017-11-09T23:27:32 < englishman> zyp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5FKWNqC34 2017-11-09T23:29:10 < englishman> it's yet to snow here 2017-11-09T23:29:16 < zyp> englishman, where's that? 2017-11-09T23:29:20 < englishman> drive home 2017-11-09T23:29:41 < karlp> heh, I remember that from last winter :) 2017-11-09T23:30:03 < englishman> karl where would an icelander go to buy a used car 2017-11-09T23:30:08 < englishman> like here it's craigslist/kijiji 2017-11-09T23:30:10 < zyp> up north where my parents live, it can get like that 2017-11-09T23:30:15 < englishman> would be interested to know what the prices are like 2017-11-09T23:30:25 < BrainDamage> no handbrake turning, i am disappoint 2017-11-09T23:31:06 < zyp> there's more wind than snow there, so it blows around and piles up here and there instead of falling evenly 2017-11-09T23:31:38 < englishman> yes, most importantly it immediately erases the work of the snowplows 2017-11-09T23:31:49 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-09T23:32:02 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX5KhyLA6EQ 2017-11-09T23:32:07 < englishman> but theres still a decent base 2017-11-09T23:32:11 < zyp> and you get this shit across the road that you just have to power through so you don't get stuck 2017-11-09T23:33:16 < englishman> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlc59116.pdf 2017-11-09T23:33:20 < englishman> advanced led blinking tech 2017-11-09T23:36:13 < karlp> englishman: http://bilasolur.is/ 2017-11-09T23:36:18 < karlp> or bland.is 2017-11-09T23:36:40 < karlp> we got this car on bland actually, which is more craigslist, personal sellers. 2017-11-09T23:37:13 < karlp> you can probably figure out the drop downs on bilasolur.is well enough, and the prices aren't substantially lower on bland or anything, 2017-11-09T23:38:06 < englishman> cool so they are all eu domestic cars 2017-11-09T23:38:28 < karlp> mostly, 2017-11-09T23:38:45 < karlp> we get a bunch of us imports, particularly for what suvs, 2017-11-09T23:38:55 < karlp> and that depends a bit on how currencies are 2017-11-09T23:39:01 < englishman> prices don't seem unreasonable 2017-11-09T23:39:05 < karlp> nice price on that led driver, if you need that sort of thing. 2017-11-09T23:39:07 < englishman> for an island nation 2017-11-09T23:39:29 < karlp> an island nation that views cars kinda the way americans view guns... 2017-11-09T23:39:58 < englishman> really 2017-11-09T23:40:06 < englishman> well i guess there is no subway 2017-11-09T23:40:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-09T23:40:18 < karlp> no trains either 2017-11-09T23:40:21 < karlp> of any sort. 2017-11-09T23:40:42 < karlp> there's about 20m of track holding the single train that's ever existed here, that came in 1900 or something for a construction project 2017-11-09T23:41:22 < BrainDamage> karlp: how is the population distributed? trains make sense if the people are densed up in urban centers 2017-11-09T23:41:46 < karlp> yes, but there's still a limit 2017-11-09T23:41:52 < karlp> trains for a city of 180k? 2017-11-09T23:42:15 < karlp> we have busses, they work ok I'm told. 2017-11-09T23:42:23 < BrainDamage> 180k is a bit small for trains, you could get trams and busses 2017-11-09T23:42:31 < BrainDamage> busses can be wire supplied 2017-11-09T23:42:58 < karlp> yeah, we're not putting in overhead wires for that 2017-11-09T23:43:06 < karlp> you think this is italy or sanfran or some shit? 2017-11-09T23:43:38 < BrainDamage> they can be rail supplied too for trams 2017-11-09T23:44:13 < englishman> dont listen to him, braind is in shorts and a wifebeater on the beach right now 2017-11-09T23:44:16 < englishman> he knows not of what he speaks 2017-11-09T23:44:36 < BrainDamage> it rained 200mm in 2 days 2017-11-09T23:44:43 < karlp> like we're going to lay rails either :) 2017-11-09T23:44:57 < karlp> we have soft mushy roads for our studs to rip into, so we can keep replacing them. 2017-11-09T23:48:08 < zyp> karlp, one of my friends joked about taking their EV on a ferry to .is to go try your new fast chargers 2017-11-09T23:48:15 < zyp> could have been a fun trip 2017-11-09T23:48:34 < qyx> so only roads in the .is? 2017-11-09T23:49:31 < qyx> we have these here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_30_T 2017-11-09T23:49:35 < qyx> 600kW \o/ 2017-11-09T23:50:18 < qyx> sk 2017-11-09T23:50:53 < karlp> getting around the country in an ev is at l east feasible now, but it requires planning. 2017-11-09T23:50:58 < karlp> totally fine in town. 2017-11-09T23:51:07 < karlp> but yeah, come on over :) 2017-11-09T23:51:51 < karlp> slovak? 2017-11-09T23:51:57 < karlp> what else would they speak? 2017-11-09T23:52:13 < karlp> oh, sorry 2017-11-09T23:55:10 < qyx> superbia: this is czech 2017-11-09T23:56:01 < qyx> the guy is raging when repairing the car 2017-11-09T23:56:09 < qyx> that agricultural tractor or how is it called 2017-11-09T23:57:09 < zyp> karlp, hmm, ferry takes three days, that's not too bad for the distance 2017-11-09T23:57:24 < zyp> but still, that'll be almost a week just getting there and back :) 2017-11-09T23:58:45 < karlp> yeah, you only come by ferry if you _want_ to bring your car for something, 2017-11-09T23:58:56 < karlp> it's normally jeeps and rvs and shit. 2017-11-09T23:59:00 < zyp> hehe 2017-11-09T23:59:06 < karlp> it's meant to be _terrribly_ boring. 2017-11-09T23:59:24 < karlp> a friend went a few years ago, said if he had to do it again, he'd pay for a friend to come so they could at least drink together. --- Day changed Fri Nov 10 2017 2017-11-10T00:02:04 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten <- I took my car on this in february this year to shave off about 1000km of my drive south 2017-11-10T00:02:50 < zyp> took two days, expected it to be boring as fuck 2017-11-10T00:03:19 < zyp> somehow ended up enjoying it, despite travelling alone 2017-11-10T00:04:52 < karlp> that's coastal though right, yuou get to see shit 2017-11-10T00:04:55 < karlp> and people get on an doff. 2017-11-10T00:05:13 < karlp> the ferry to iceland is just seasick people on the north atlantic, and a few hours in torshafn 2017-11-10T00:05:14 < zyp> yeah, and there's plenty of time to disembark here and there 2017-11-10T00:06:01 < zyp> didn't want to pay for onboard food, so went to a couple of restaurants close to the ports instead 2017-11-10T00:07:20 < zyp> onboard sauna and outdoor jaucuzzis were free, so I spent some hours in those 2017-11-10T00:07:27 < zyp> and some hours reading books 2017-11-10T00:07:46 < zyp> oh, and coastal means you actually get working cellular most of the time 2017-11-10T00:13:45 < englishman> zyp, icelandair is great 2017-11-10T00:14:00 < englishman> you can come to america, stop in reykjavik and stay as long as you want 2017-11-10T00:14:10 < zyp> hehe 2017-11-10T00:18:40 < upgrdman> but isn't it cold 2017-11-10T00:19:00 < upgrdman> so cal masterrace checking in. t-shirts in the winter FTW 2017-11-10T00:21:35 < karlp> englishman: ya man, come on by whenever you want :) 2017-11-10T00:21:44 < englishman> same goes for you bro 2017-11-10T00:22:04 * karlp feels warm. 2017-11-10T00:24:18 < zyp> karlp, how about skipping køben and coming here instead? I'll buy you a beer 2017-11-10T00:25:16 < karlp> nah, köben is a work trip :) 2017-11-10T00:25:24 < karlp> like I'd go there for fun 2017-11-10T00:25:39 < zyp> haha 2017-11-10T00:33:26 < zyp> karlp, oh, btw, now I'm through the two first expanse books and have started on the third 2017-11-10T00:33:37 < zyp> is the series as good as the books? is it worth watching? 2017-11-10T00:35:04 < zyp> the books are totally worth reading at least 2017-11-10T00:36:03 < Steffanx> Do you read analogue 2017-11-10T00:36:05 < Steffanx> ? 2017-11-10T00:37:06 < Steffanx> да 2017-11-10T00:37:43 < zyp> Steffanx, read what? 2017-11-10T00:38:05 < Steffanx> The books you read. 2017-11-10T00:38:41 < zyp> you mean paper books? 2017-11-10T00:38:53 < Steffanx> Yes zyp 2017-11-10T00:39:03 < zyp> no, I read on kindle 2017-11-10T00:40:42 < zyp> I used to, when I were a kid 2017-11-10T00:41:02 < zyp> and then I stopped reading at some point 2017-11-10T00:42:05 < zyp> until I bought a kindle, and then the convenience made me start reading again 2017-11-10T00:42:49 < Steffanx> Anyway, imho the series are so-so. Never read the books, so cant compare 2017-11-10T00:44:48 < englishman> can someone tell me what the difference is between Wurth 36103205 and 36103205S 2017-11-10T00:45:11 < englishman> also 36003200 and 36003200S 2017-11-10T00:45:37 < zyp> S 2017-11-10T00:45:47 < englishman> on cars, S means they charge more money 2017-11-10T00:45:54 < englishman> with wurth, it's half price 2017-11-10T00:46:35 < karlp> any awk people? 2017-11-10T00:47:01 < karlp> ideas why "$ echo "1234" | gawk '{printf("%x\n", $1)}'" works for decimal to hex, but echo "0x1234" and using %d instead of %x just always returns 0 2017-11-10T00:47:53 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w05M20O7fmE&feature=youtu.be&t=1332 2017-11-10T00:48:07 < karlp> zyp: I thought the tv series was _reallly_ good, 2017-11-10T00:48:16 < englishman> looks like one is certified, the other is uncertified but otherwise identical 2017-11-10T00:49:58 < Steffanx> karlp: i only remember i had a hard time getting through the first 2 episodes 2017-11-10T00:49:59 < englishman> i feel the same way zyp, i collected books but never read them until i got an ereader 2017-11-10T00:50:02 < jadew> which tv series? 2017-11-10T00:50:07 < karlp> the expanse 2017-11-10T00:50:21 < jadew> ah, I think I'm at episode 2 2017-11-10T00:50:31 < jadew> I should start it over 2017-11-10T00:51:23 < karlp> frack, that awk works on the awk that will matter, but not on my desktop awk. 2017-11-10T00:52:19 < zyp> the books are the sort that's a bit heavy to start on because they dump a lot of characters and other setup without a lot of context to fit it together 2017-11-10T00:52:37 < karlp> tv does too, 2017-11-10T00:52:38 < zyp> but it makes a lot more sense once you get some chapters in 2017-11-10T00:52:39 < karlp> language and all sorts 2017-11-10T00:52:42 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-10T00:53:21 < zyp> I figure I'll try the series later when I run out of books 2017-11-10T00:56:08 < zyp> also looking forward to see this whenever it's out: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2261227/ 2017-11-10T00:56:12 < zyp> the books were good 2017-11-10T00:59:36 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T01:02:41 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2017-11-10T01:04:53 < Laurenceb_> banter boy 2017-11-10T01:13:22 < Laurenceb_> Englishman: do you have the MMC magno running on anyboards? 2017-11-10T01:13:32 < englishman> no, hasnt arrived yet 2017-11-10T01:13:42 < englishman> chipz and pcbs will be here end of next week or so 2017-11-10T01:14:17 < Laurenceb_> ah ok 2017-11-10T01:14:25 < Laurenceb_> it looks better than any of the ST stuff 2017-11-10T01:14:29 < englishman> yep 2017-11-10T01:14:36 < Laurenceb_> about 10% more stable and 6 times lower noise 2017-11-10T01:14:38 < englishman> easier to solder too 2017-11-10T01:14:40 < Laurenceb_> also 600hz update 2017-11-10T01:14:54 < Laurenceb_> I'm just worried about emi 2017-11-10T01:15:01 < englishman> as you should be 2017-11-10T01:15:01 < Laurenceb_> the HMC5883 was really bad 2017-11-10T01:15:28 < Laurenceb_> totally trashed any sensitive analogue stuff nearby 2017-11-10T01:15:38 < englishman> o you mean emitted 2017-11-10T01:15:40 < englishman> interesting 2017-11-10T01:15:49 < Laurenceb_> yeah, the set/reset thing 2017-11-10T01:15:54 < englishman> ahh 2017-11-10T01:16:04 < englishman> could you set this on hmc5883? 2017-11-10T01:16:39 < Laurenceb_> *see ? 2017-11-10T01:16:48 < zyp> Laurenceb_, considering how shitty your ground planes are, there's no wonder your analog stuff gets trashed 2017-11-10T01:16:54 < zyp> or have you gotten better at that? 2017-11-10T01:17:00 < Laurenceb_> on my autopilot board the pitot sensor was useless when hmc was running 2017-11-10T01:17:07 < Laurenceb_> zyp: its not ground currents 2017-11-10T01:17:13 < Laurenceb_> its inductive coupling 2017-11-10T01:17:39 < Laurenceb_> set/reset is a coil around the sensor 2017-11-10T01:17:48 < zyp> well, duh, proper ground planes reduce the inductance of the signal traces 2017-11-10T01:18:21 < Laurenceb_> reduce but dont eliminate 2017-11-10T01:18:21 < englishman> it says max field before degaussing is 10G 2017-11-10T01:18:24 < englishman> isnt that a lot 2017-11-10T01:18:56 < zyp> of course, there's no such thing as eliminating in analog 2017-11-10T01:19:03 < Laurenceb_> englishman: yes 2017-11-10T01:19:18 < englishman> like, proximity to a real magnet lot 2017-11-10T01:19:21 < zyp> you can only reduce noise until it's below whatever threshold you deem acceptable 2017-11-10T01:19:27 < Laurenceb_> zyp: my pitot sensor stuck up off the pcb, probably made it more vulnerable 2017-11-10T01:19:58 < Laurenceb_> other sensors and stm32 adc were fine 2017-11-10T01:20:33 < Laurenceb_> you can easily pick up HMC pulses with an inductive probe and a scope 2017-11-10T01:21:08 < Laurenceb_> englishman: I got LIS3 cal working properly in my lab 2017-11-10T01:21:24 < Laurenceb_> turns out matlab fminsearch is crap 2017-11-10T01:21:41 < Laurenceb_> so I rewrote using modified Newton-Raphson 2017-11-10T01:22:10 < Laurenceb_> LIS3 offset is so high the x axis is always >0 O_o 2017-11-10T01:22:12 < englishman> Laurenceb_ it looks like degaussing is only ever done manually, so you can at least account for this effect in other readings 2017-11-10T01:22:43 < Laurenceb_> ah cool 2017-11-10T01:23:46 < Laurenceb_> my lab is interesting - steel framed building 2017-11-10T01:24:15 < Laurenceb_> earth field is only about 25µT, rather than 50µT or so, but the angle is off by less than 5 degrees 2017-11-10T01:25:58 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:3dff:e682:92b5:a51f] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T01:28:38 < Laurenceb_> this is some epin matrixness 2017-11-10T01:28:40 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/fieldtrip/fieldtrip/blob/master/private/fitsphere.m 2017-11-10T01:30:53 < Laurenceb_> wait no 2017-11-10T01:30:58 < Laurenceb_> this is even more crazy 2017-11-10T01:31:00 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/45356-fitting-quadratic-curves-and-surfaces?focused=3841199&tab=function 2017-11-10T02:27:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-10T02:34:47 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:3dff:e682:92b5:a51f] has quit [] 2017-11-10T02:36:17 -!- enh [~enhering@187.115.179.123] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T02:46:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T03:09:13 -!- enh [~enhering@187.115.179.123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-10T03:33:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-10T03:36:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T03:38:19 < Laurenceb_> sup CRT 2017-11-10T03:39:49 < emeb_mac> got a cheapo $8 uBlox GPS board from a random ebay seller. Works fine. 2017-11-10T03:39:53 < Laurenceb_> nice 2017-11-10T03:40:14 < Laurenceb_> stm32f042 i2c1 dma channels are the same as spi1 2017-11-10T03:40:16 < Laurenceb_> rage 2017-11-10T03:40:31 < emeb_mac> ugh 2017-11-10T03:40:50 < Laurenceb_> its as bad as F1 2017-11-10T03:41:14 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if cubemx interrupt i2c driver is any good 2017-11-10T03:41:24 < Laurenceb_> or maybe I could use my f1 i2c driver 2017-11-10T03:41:45 < emeb_mac> haven't tried the cubemx irq driver. PIO driver works fine 2017-11-10T03:42:14 < emeb_mac> haven't ever had an application for I2C that needed enough bandwidth to warrant DMA 2017-11-10T03:42:40 < emeb_mac> esp since ST's DMA needs so much handholding 2017-11-10T03:42:44 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'd only use it as the cubemx i2c dma code looks usable 2017-11-10T03:42:58 < emeb_mac> err not DMA but I2C - it needs a lot of CPU intervention. 2017-11-10T03:43:23 < emeb_mac> not exactly fire & forget like SPI 2017-11-10T03:44:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2017-11-10T03:44:44 < Laurenceb_> I'm thinking of making a new imu board with mmc magno 2017-11-10T03:44:49 < Laurenceb_> but its i2c only 2017-11-10T03:45:13 < emeb_mac> fun 2017-11-10T03:45:33 < emeb_mac> betcha IRQ-based I2C would probably be fine 2017-11-10T03:47:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah F1 i2c was particularly bad 2017-11-10T03:50:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnRwJ8lCPd0 b a n t e r b o y 2017-11-10T04:00:04 < dongs> F0 i2c is sooo easy 2017-11-10T04:00:12 < dongs> its much less insane than F1 2017-11-10T04:00:44 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-10T04:03:33 < dongs> attn zyp https://imgur.com/M7IE5Vh 2017-11-10T04:06:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-10T04:09:53 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-10T04:10:35 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T04:23:24 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T05:06:32 -!- zyp [zyp@zyp.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-10T05:18:13 < dongs> owo 2017-11-10T05:18:52 < dongs> routing 2017-11-10T05:19:20 < dongs> HDMI Licensing, LLC was founded by Hitachi, Panasonic, Philips, Silicon Image, Sony, Thomson (RCA) and Toshiba and is their licensing vehicle for the HDMI standard 2017-11-10T05:19:29 < dongs> i guess now I know why intel still has HDMI 1.4 on thier latest cpus 2017-11-10T05:19:35 < dongs> they dont wanna pay these jews 2017-11-10T05:19:36 < dongs> for 2.0 license 2017-11-10T05:20:14 < dongs> my fucking MDR-1A ear cups fell apart exactly one fucking month aftrer warranty 2017-11-10T05:20:16 < dongs> fucking sony jews 2017-11-10T05:20:52 < dongs> and its a manufacturing problem too, i can see wehre its supposed to be sewn to the inside thing but there was no space and the stitches didnt make it across one end 2017-11-10T05:22:54 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GB0LK7E wtf why does this exist 2017-11-10T05:22:59 < dongs> i guess they're replaceeable? 2017-11-10T05:23:03 < dongs> i gotta get sony to pay for this shit tho 2017-11-10T05:23:21 < dongs> also mic cable stopped working about 2 months ago 2017-11-10T05:23:30 < dongs> for a $300 headphone this thing sure is garbage quality 2017-11-10T05:24:03 -!- ingrix [~ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T05:25:32 < ingrix> I am attempting to get the USB interface of an STM32F103 Blue Pill board working. Does anyone have any idea of why it's detected as a low-speed device instead of a full-speed device as per specs? 2017-11-10T05:27:39 < ingrix> this board has an incorrect 10K pullup resistor on the D+ line, so I spliced in a 1.8K resistor to make up for that 2017-11-10T05:28:16 < dongs> do you have 1.5k? 2017-11-10T05:28:18 < ingrix> now the D+ line reads at 2.6V when connected to a hub, which I believe should be adequate to signal a full-speed device 2017-11-10T05:28:20 < dongs> i dont know how accurate that needs to be 2017-11-10T05:28:34 < dongs> 1.5k 1% is the spec 2017-11-10T05:29:10 < dongs> oh, you added 1.8 in parallel 2017-11-10T05:29:13 < ingrix> well, with the 10K that's in there right now, the 1.8K in parallel should bring the equivalent resistance down to 1.5K 2017-11-10T05:29:14 < dongs> to make 1.52k or so 2017-11-10T05:29:15 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-10T05:29:31 < dongs> i thought by "spliced" you meant like put in series or replaced or soemthign 2017-11-10T05:29:39 < ingrix> oh, no, sorry 2017-11-10T05:29:54 < dongs> anyawy, yeah should work 2017-11-10T05:30:12 < dongs> have you tried using ST's simple hid or dfu demos 2017-11-10T05:30:16 < ingrix> hmmm. interesting. I've tried a few different values with the same effect 2017-11-10T05:30:17 < dongs> to make sure its not your code 2017-11-10T05:30:27 < dongs> using stdperiph right 2017-11-10T05:30:31 < ingrix> not those particular ones, but I've tried using some examples from libopencm3 2017-11-10T05:30:38 < dongs> or that. 2017-11-10T05:31:20 < dongs> https://github.com/rogerclarkmelbourne/Arduino_STM32/wiki/Flashing-Bootloader-for-BluePill-Boards 2017-11-10T05:31:26 < dongs> this has some crap, im sure youve seen it right 2017-11-10T05:32:16 < ingrix> that particular one is new, but it looks like it covers the same general stuff as the other pages I saw 2017-11-10T05:32:25 < ingrix> I'll take a look to see if there's anything different 2017-11-10T05:32:47 < dongs> ya from a quick look it just seems same thing ,wrong value and what the real circuit should haev been 2017-11-10T05:34:53 < dongs> http://firtel.blogspot.jp/2017/03/blue-pill-stm32duino.html this jap says all he did was change resistor. 2017-11-10T05:35:12 < dongs> so it should just work 2017-11-10T05:35:26 < ingrix> haha yeah, if only it would :D 2017-11-10T05:42:28 < Thorn> what is the point of injected adc channels 2017-11-10T06:01:17 < ingrix> dongs: it looks like it was a hardware issue. I changed cables and it seems to be enumerating using the maple bootloader now. thanks for your help 2017-11-10T06:01:33 < dongs> cool 2017-11-10T06:40:21 < Rob235> https://rjfeddeler.github.io/DrawBotPanel_v2/ :P 2017-11-10T06:52:26 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-10T06:57:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T07:03:28 < upgrdman> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GB0LK7E wtf why does this exist 2017-11-10T07:03:36 < upgrdman> ? you dont know why theyre replaceable? 2017-11-10T07:04:05 < upgrdman> my sennheiser's have replaced ear pads and head pads. i've replaced the head pad once because it deteriorated after ~10 years of use 2017-11-10T07:04:14 < upgrdman> *have replaceable 2017-11-10T07:05:49 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-10T07:07:54 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T07:26:57 < upgrdman> "In conjunction with the HDMI 2.1 specification, a fourth category of cable was announced on January 4, 2017, called "48G".[79] The cable is designed to support the 48 Gbit/s bandwidth of HDMI 2.1, supporting 4K, 5K, 8K and 10K at 120 Hz.[80] The cable is backwards compatible with the earlier HDMI devices, using existing HDMI type A, C and D connectors, and includes HDMI Ethernet." 2017-11-10T07:27:06 < upgrdman> huh, theyre actually working on 8k120. good. 2017-11-10T07:27:33 < upgrdman> now if i could just buy a FUCKING 4k120 display. 2017-11-10T07:27:44 < dongs> upgrdman: my shit died in a year 2017-11-10T07:27:45 < dongs> with light use 2017-11-10T07:27:49 < dongs> and storing them in carry bag always 2017-11-10T07:28:10 < upgrdman> dongs, use you're inner jew. buy replacment pads, return "them" as defective for a refund. 2017-11-10T07:28:14 < upgrdman> your* 2017-11-10T07:29:11 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T07:32:12 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-10T07:32:15 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-10T07:35:43 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-10T07:35:59 < dongs> i may be a jew but im not a faggot 2017-11-10T07:36:02 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T07:59:35 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-10T08:01:37 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T08:04:06 < upgrdman> lol, wtf kind of bed frame is this https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Woods-Furniture-Heirloom-Collection/dp/B01N6KZG9A/ref=sr_1_569?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1510293770&sr=1-569&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A368699011 2017-11-10T08:04:09 < upgrdman> dat price too 2017-11-10T08:07:00 < dongs> autism is what 2017-11-10T08:07:38 < dongs> made in usa 2017-11-10T08:08:33 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T08:32:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T08:46:28 < englishman> “He leaned close to my face and said, ‘Can I ask you something?’ I said, ‘Yes,’” Ms. Corry said in a written statement to The New York Times. “He asked if we could go to my dressing room so he could masturbate in front of me.” Stunned and angry, Ms. Corry said she declined, and pointed out that he had a daughter and a pregnant wife. “His face got red,” she recalled 2017-11-10T08:53:33 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T09:00:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0fe2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T09:05:27 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-10T09:06:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-10T09:07:30 < Steffanx> Hi Laurenceb, did you take over englishman's account? 2017-11-10T09:20:22 -!- zyp [~zyp@zyp.no] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T09:26:31 < dongs> hacked into IRC CLOUD 2017-11-10T09:33:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0fe2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-10T09:58:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T10:29:21 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T10:31:12 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T10:35:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T10:50:32 < ohsix> balls 2017-11-10T10:58:25 < PaulFertser> dongs: https://superuser.com/a/1193483 true story? 2017-11-10T10:58:53 < dongs> nope no idea waht that is even 2017-11-10T11:01:30 < PaulFertser> I'm observing windows "evolution" since win 3.1; still amazes me by all the different shit that happens to their users. It's like almost 30 years of "dominating" the market and they still are unable to provide anything solid, something that wouldn't behave creepy as hell in all the "edge" cases. 2017-11-10T11:01:46 < dongs> yeah? well guess what 2017-11-10T11:03:08 < dongs> i'm observing lunix users since ~1990; still amazes me how they don't have a working browser, word processor, or an office suite. how hardware only gets support when it becomes EOL from manufacturer. how almost nothing new is guarnateed to work and/or will need constant fucking around with. how there's not a single stable system where developers cooperate instead every faggot just makes their own shit, resulting in over 9000 useless buggy distros. 2017-11-10T11:03:27 < dongs> its no wonder windows is #1 ondesktop 2017-11-10T11:03:30 < dongs> <3 2017-11-10T11:03:36 < ohsix> that looks like some of the shit that you can no longer opt-in to on the creators update 2017-11-10T11:03:47 < ohsix> (implies no longer being able to opt-out) 2017-11-10T11:13:05 < qyx> lunices are abusable and hence the number of distros 2017-11-10T11:13:17 < qyx> everyone can make a new icon set and call it a new distro 2017-11-10T11:15:08 < qyx> I found a 512MB CF card 2017-11-10T11:15:36 < qyx> with some sort of system partition.. booting in qemu shows "demo license expired" 2017-11-10T11:15:40 < qyx> I am suspecting mikrotik 2017-11-10T11:27:12 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-80-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T11:45:42 < dongs> when i turn on my desktop, i'm not looking for abuse 2017-11-10T11:45:45 < dongs> i just want toget work done 2017-11-10T11:47:15 < PaulFertser> Haha, good luck getting work done when windows decides it's about time to "calculate" next update and it takes several days hogging CPU to do so (no kidding a real issue some users face). 2017-11-10T11:49:46 < dongs> k 2017-11-10T11:57:35 < Thorn> the only os that works is mac os 2017-11-10T12:04:46 < dongs> haha no 2017-11-10T12:04:53 < dongs> macos touchpad is fucking unusable garbage 2017-11-10T12:04:58 < dongs> finder is a joke 2017-11-10T12:05:09 < dongs> navigating files/folders is fucking impossible 2017-11-10T12:05:27 < dongs> and then theres the part where theres no apps 2017-11-10T12:06:51 < zyp> wtf why are you even talking about this 2017-11-10T12:07:09 < dongs> zyp, PaulFertser started it 2017-11-10T12:08:16 < dongs> i mean does anyone actualyl USE finder to get anything done? 2017-11-10T12:08:24 < dongs> there's like zero keyboard navigation 2017-11-10T12:08:28 < dongs> you gotta fucking click everywehre 2017-11-10T12:08:36 < dongs> wanna go 10 folders deep into a structure? click click click click click click 2017-11-10T12:08:46 < Thorn> sudo port install mc # lol 2017-11-10T12:08:50 < dongs> sorry, what? 2017-11-10T12:08:54 < zyp> idk, I mostly use finder by keyboard 2017-11-10T12:08:57 < dongs> is that some kind of FAGGOT command? 2017-11-10T12:09:04 < dongs> zyp, to do what 2017-11-10T12:09:08 < zyp> Thorn, who the fuck uses macports in 2017 2017-11-10T12:09:11 < dongs> how do you go up folder or into a folder 2017-11-10T12:09:22 < zyp> dongs, cmd+up/down 2017-11-10T12:09:22 < dongs> < zyp> Thorn, who the fuck uses mac in 2017 2017-11-10T12:09:24 < dongs> ftfy 2017-11-10T12:11:51 < zyp> dongs, I mean, if you really care there's a list here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 2017-11-10T12:11:56 < zyp> bottom has "Finder shortcuts" 2017-11-10T12:12:29 < dongs> can you type a folder name to go to it? 2017-11-10T12:12:32 < dongs> like you can in explorer 2017-11-10T12:13:45 < zyp> like typing a path or just finding a name in current dir? 2017-11-10T12:13:47 < dongs> like in windows if i wanna navigate to suck\my\dick i can probly do su>enter>m>enter>d or di>enter 2017-11-10T12:14:02 < dongs> yaeh just going to a name in a list 2017-11-10T12:14:12 < dongs> instead of clicking 2017-11-10T12:14:14 < zyp> sure 2017-11-10T12:14:17 < dongs> or using 100 arrow keys 2017-11-10T12:14:26 < dongs> how does it work 2017-11-10T12:14:33 < dongs> hmm 2017-11-10T12:14:37 < zyp> you just type? 2017-11-10T12:14:42 < dongs> i just noticed im getting billed $20 for my cell plan 2017-11-10T12:14:47 < dongs> when i should be getting billed $13 2017-11-10T12:14:54 < dongs> im on some ancient plan they no longber have 2017-11-10T12:15:02 < dongs> and all the new ones are cheaepr 2017-11-10T12:15:06 < daey> hipsters use touchpanels 2017-11-10T12:15:09 < daey> not keyboards 2017-11-10T12:17:58 < dongs> what mac has a touchpanel 2017-11-10T12:18:03 < dongs> they're still figuring out how to do that 2017-11-10T12:18:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T12:18:45 < zyp> the new MBPs have this touchbar shit instead of F-key row 2017-11-10T12:19:11 < dongs> they might as well, i've never seeen any mac owners using f-keys 2017-11-10T12:19:16 < dongs> click click click click click 2017-11-10T12:19:18 < invzim> updated cube and see that you can choose LL or HAL, is this new? 2017-11-10T12:19:26 < dongs> not too new 2017-11-10T12:19:31 < dongs> LL is slightly less aids than HAL 2017-11-10T12:19:42 < zyp> well, most macos keyboard shortcuts doesn't use F keys, so that's reasonable 2017-11-10T12:19:46 < invzim> wtf do they want to keep 2 separate API's.. 2017-11-10T12:20:23 < invzim> so LL !=CMSIS? 2017-11-10T12:20:31 < dongs> no 2017-11-10T12:20:40 < dongs> Ll = MORE CAPS and MORE VERBOSE than stdperiphlib 2017-11-10T12:20:48 < dongs> but LESS GAY than HAL 2017-11-10T12:25:08 < invzim> man, element14/farnell guy has been typing for 4 minutes 2017-11-10T12:25:18 < invzim> chat to get tracking# 2017-11-10T12:25:25 < dongs> fuck this jap netflix=like dvd/bd shipping site is god damn retarded 2017-11-10T12:25:39 < dongs> ive been trying for the last 10 minutes to find a way to go my current queue 2017-11-10T12:25:41 < zyp> dvd/bd shipping sounds pretty retarded, yes 2017-11-10T12:25:43 < dongs> fucking dumb 2017-11-10T12:26:31 < dongs> zyp, how so? the site is unusable but the service is fine 2017-11-10T12:26:36 < dongs> i get shit next day 2017-11-10T12:27:01 < zyp> I don't even have a dvd/bd player 2017-11-10T12:27:07 < dongs> sorry to hear that? 2017-11-10T12:27:15 < dongs> you jsut watch blocky shit off jewtube? 2017-11-10T12:29:13 < zyp> nah, I usually download shit I want to watch 2017-11-10T12:29:28 < dongs> well im not a filthy pirate 2017-11-10T12:29:34 < daey> legally 2017-11-10T12:29:40 < daey> noone here would pirate D: 2017-11-10T12:29:42 < dongs> lol, "legal downloads" 2017-11-10T12:29:45 < daey> :D 2017-11-10T12:29:46 < dongs> what the fuck is that even 2017-11-10T12:30:12 < daey> reddit.com/r/megalinks! reddit wouldnt participate in illegal ventures, would they! D: 2017-11-10T12:31:32 < zyp> netflix also works 2017-11-10T12:31:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T12:32:28 < dongs> netflix doesnt ship to japan 2017-11-10T12:32:37 < daey> netflix is a piece of shit 2017-11-10T12:32:46 < daey> dongs: you are in japan? :o 2017-11-10T12:32:51 < zyp> idk about ship, I'm talking about online netflix 2017-11-10T12:34:00 < daey> well netflix has different media pools in every country. the only one that doesnt suck is the US one afaik. 2017-11-10T12:34:21 < daey> luckily megalinks is practically a mirror of said pool :') 2017-11-10T12:34:23 < zyp> idk, I'm in norway 2017-11-10T12:34:56 < dongs> im fine with this rental shit 2017-11-10T12:35:00 < zyp> either it's on netflix or it can be torrented, good enough for me 2017-11-10T12:35:01 < dongs> if only they made the site less retarded 2017-11-10T12:35:27 < daey> dongs: im shocked to hear that movie rentaling is still a thing in japan 2017-11-10T12:35:36 < daey> they live in the stone age over there :D 2017-11-10T12:35:39 < dongs> i dont udnerstnd, as opposed to wht> 2017-11-10T12:36:00 < daey> ONLINE 2017-11-10T12:36:14 < daey> streaming 2017-11-10T12:36:25 < daey> this was like written X times already... 2017-11-10T12:36:42 < dongs> sounds useless. wehn i rent, i can copy it and watch it any number of times 2017-11-10T12:36:47 < dongs> which is what im doing. 2017-11-10T12:36:49 < zyp> dongs, so who are you renting from? tsutaya? 2017-11-10T12:36:52 < dongs> or if I buy something and own 2017-11-10T12:36:53 < dongs> zyp, eyah 2017-11-10T12:36:57 < dongs> their discas online shit. 2017-11-10T12:37:27 < zyp> haha 2017-11-10T12:37:34 < zyp> copying rentals sounds legal as fuck 2017-11-10T12:38:08 < daey> you can just copy the stream, and dont have to deal with shipping around discs lol 2017-11-10T12:38:21 < zyp> but, but, muh bitrate! 2017-11-10T12:38:45 < daey> xD 2017-11-10T12:45:05 < invzim> yay, new metcal stand delivered. Farnell/Element14 ships damn quick to Norway 2017-11-10T12:45:58 < invzim> ordered it 15:45 yesterday 2017-11-10T12:54:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T12:57:34 -!- zyp [~zyp@zyp.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-10T13:02:10 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-10T13:07:22 < jadew> invzim, yeah, they ship in the same day if usually 2017-11-10T13:07:53 < jadew> I used to get stuff the next day too (in Romania), but then UPS got lazy 2017-11-10T13:07:56 < jadew> now it takes 2 days 2017-11-10T13:08:42 -!- zyp [zyp@zyp.no] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T13:25:53 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T13:46:38 < qyx> anyone tried connecting a cf card to stm32? 2017-11-10T13:48:56 < jpa-> qyx: FSMC claims to have compact flash support 2017-11-10T13:50:05 < qyx> I know, but I don't believe until I see 2017-11-10T13:57:53 < jadew> anyone using a < 1k CNC? 2017-11-10T13:58:17 < jadew> I'm in the market for one and not really sure what I should be looking for 2017-11-10T13:59:26 < qyx> wut 2mil cycles for an industrial SLC CF card 2017-11-10T14:17:12 < jpa-> jadew: i have cnc3020, it works (though i did replace the original controller with a smoothieboard) 2017-11-10T14:17:35 < jadew> jpa-, did you mill any aluminium with it? 2017-11-10T14:17:55 < jpa-> yeah, and even steel, but it's not very good for it and it takes long 2017-11-10T14:18:09 < jadew> that's fine, as long as it can do it 2017-11-10T14:18:23 < jadew> what spindle power should I get? 2017-11-10T14:18:32 < jadew> I noticed there are multiple ones available 2017-11-10T14:18:43 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/3dprinter/hotend.html e.g. there are few pieces of aluminum that i've cut with it 2017-11-10T14:19:03 < jpa-> hmm, can you link? there was only one when i bought mine, and it is the crappiest spindle in existence 2017-11-10T14:19:17 < jadew> they look really nice 2017-11-10T14:19:21 < jadew> yeah, give me a sec 2017-11-10T14:20:10 < Steffanx> Some replaced it with the dewalt 611 2017-11-10T14:20:43 < jadew> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300-400-560-800-1500W-CNC-Router-Engraver-Milling-Engraving-Cutter3020-3040-6040-/282550238144 2017-11-10T14:20:46 < Steffanx> (have been looking into the 3020/3040 a bit last week ) 2017-11-10T14:21:16 < jadew> Steffanx, what did you think? they don't look bad, isn't it? 2017-11-10T14:21:16 < jpa-> we bought makita rt0701c for hacklab's bigger cnc.. but that thing is *loud* compared to cnc3020's spindle 2017-11-10T14:21:40 < jadew> considering the other options are way more expensive and the frame is made out of wood/plastic in some cases 2017-11-10T14:22:36 < jadew> Steffanx, I saw one with a bosh spindle 2017-11-10T14:22:43 < jadew> (custom, not for sale) 2017-11-10T14:22:44 < jpa-> yeah, my spindle is that "300W" one there, all the others look better 2017-11-10T14:23:01 < jadew> that's the model you have? the one I linked to? 2017-11-10T14:23:07 < jpa-> that seems to be the only option available for 3020 though 2017-11-10T14:23:12 < jadew> cuz there are different ones available too, with different frames 2017-11-10T14:23:16 < Steffanx> From what i see jpa- they domt look too bad jadew 2017-11-10T14:23:26 < Steffanx> But i would go for 3040 i think 2017-11-10T14:23:37 < Steffanx> larger is better (tm) 2017-11-10T14:23:47 < jpa-> jadew: looks like same as the "parallel port 3 axis CNC 3020" 2017-11-10T14:24:48 < jpa-> but i'd recommend going for one of the 800W models, look like they have watercooled spindle which should be more quiet also 2017-11-10T14:24:58 < jadew> there's also this type available? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Top-CNC-3-AXIS-ENGRAVER-USB-CNC-3020-ROUTER-ENGRAVING-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE/282488852660 2017-11-10T14:25:02 < jadew> it's the same thing? 2017-11-10T14:25:22 < jpa-> close, that looks like to have the usb controller but the same crappy spindle 2017-11-10T14:25:43 < jpa-> the spindle is the most limiting factor on my CNC3020 so i'd recommend getting one of the better ones 2017-11-10T14:25:47 < Steffanx> You always browse the co.uk website? jadew 2017-11-10T14:25:52 < karlp> invzim is in .no too? 2017-11-10T14:25:54 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, why? 2017-11-10T14:26:02 < karlp> we're really starting to have anoticeable lake of danes 2017-11-10T14:26:11 < Steffanx> I like you seem to not see the chinese sellers 2017-11-10T14:26:11 < jadew> it gives results more relevant to the EU 2017-11-10T14:26:20 < Steffanx> In my quest it was chinanonly 2017-11-10T14:26:38 < Steffanx> So huge import taxes 2017-11-10T14:26:38 < jadew> yeah, they're at the end usually 2017-11-10T14:27:11 < jadew> jpa-, thanks for the info 2017-11-10T14:28:26 < jadew> I wonder which type is sturdier 2017-11-10T14:28:36 < jadew> the yellow one or the gray one 2017-11-10T14:29:31 < jadew> the yellow one has that little sheet metal fence 2017-11-10T14:29:32 < jpa-> the shape of the frame will not matter much, the length of the linear bearings is probably the same and that is the weakest point 2017-11-10T14:34:04 < jadew> I guess the 3020 would be sturdier, no? 2017-11-10T14:35:14 < jpa-> than what? 2017-11-10T14:35:20 < jadew> than the 3040 2017-11-10T14:36:24 < jpa-> dunno, why do you think that? 2017-11-10T14:36:44 < jadew> the shafts are longer 2017-11-10T14:36:50 < jadew> on the 3040 2017-11-10T14:37:31 < jpa-> the shafts are sturdy enough i think, for me the flex comes mainly from the linear bearings 2017-11-10T14:37:36 < jadew> I've seen a review that was complaining that for some CNCs they bend, so that reduces the vertical speed you can mill with 2017-11-10T14:37:55 < jadew> I see 2017-11-10T14:38:02 < jadew> could they be replaced? 2017-11-10T14:38:26 < jpa-> sure, but can't see a situation when you would break them 2017-11-10T14:38:42 < jadew> no, I mean to replace them with better ones 2017-11-10T14:38:51 < qyx> Laurenceb: did you find a LiIon/LiFePO4 with a datasheet claimed -20C charge temp when you did a research in the past? 2017-11-10T14:39:32 < jpa-> replace shafts or replace linear bearings? though probably you could replace either, but i haven't looked much into it 2017-11-10T14:39:44 < Laurenceb> qyx: I don't think I found any that were orderable 2017-11-10T14:39:57 < Laurenceb> LeoBodnar got some custom made from a factory in china 2017-11-10T14:40:05 < jadew> jpa-, the bearings, since you said they're the weak link 2017-11-10T14:40:06 < Laurenceb> and they actually worked well down to -55C 2017-11-10T14:40:18 < jadew> but yeah, considering the parts you were able to mill with it, I wouldn't replace them either 2017-11-10T14:40:32 < Laurenceb> apparently there are some tweaks to the electrode design and different additives 2017-11-10T14:40:34 < jpa-> yeah, it is relatively well balanced machine 2017-11-10T14:40:48 < Laurenceb> the factory were just able to tweak stuff and do a custom run of cells 2017-11-10T14:40:52 < qyx> Laurenceb: I found only those http://www.batteryspace.com/lithium-ion-rechargeable-cell-swing-5300-3-65v-5300-mah-19-3wh---un38-3-passed.aspx 2017-11-10T14:40:53 < jpa-> as soon as you replace one part with a better one, some other limits you 2017-11-10T14:41:29 < Laurenceb> qyx: looks believable to me 2017-11-10T14:41:36 < Laurenceb> but depends how much you trust them 2017-11-10T14:41:43 < jpa-> a lot of CNC info on the web is about a lot sturdier milling machines, these cheap CNC routers do not really compare and stuff like bending a solid 16 mm steel shaft just doesn't happen to any meaningful extent 2017-11-10T14:41:52 < Laurenceb> Leo wasn't convinced but he is crazy so tried ordering anyway 2017-11-10T14:42:02 < Laurenceb> and the cells actually met the claimed spec 2017-11-10T14:42:42 < jadew> jpa-, that's good 2017-11-10T14:42:52 < qyx> Laurenceb: A123 lifepo4 claims -30C too but they do not differentiate between charge/discharge for some reason 2017-11-10T14:43:05 < Laurenceb> well the chemistry is different 2017-11-10T14:43:09 < jadew> initially I only want to use it for drilling, but I'm sure I'll end up milling custom parts too 2017-11-10T14:43:26 < jpa-> but yeah, the linear bearings are of standard size and you could probably replace them with better ones for a slight improvement 2017-11-10T14:43:35 < Laurenceb> qyx: it seems -55C discharge ~-25C charge lipo can be easily built 2017-11-10T14:43:45 < Laurenceb> but nobody makes them off the shelf 2017-11-10T14:43:51 < Laurenceb> maybe there is little market 2017-11-10T14:44:17 < qyx> I am searching for some cots cells atm 2017-11-10T14:44:32 < Laurenceb> aiui when Leo spoke to the factory inh china they said it was no big deal and they had the right additives in stock and config loaded on the assembly tools 2017-11-10T14:44:52 < Laurenceb> but he couldn't find them off the shelf anywhere, had to order a whole production run 2017-11-10T14:45:08 < qyx> how much cells? 2017-11-10T14:45:33 < Laurenceb> I dont know, prob hundreds 2017-11-10T14:45:35 < Laurenceb> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-payload.jpg 2017-11-10T14:45:47 < Laurenceb> for powering those, so ~20mAh or something 2017-11-10T14:46:02 < qyx> yep, I watched the b64 story at that time 2017-11-10T14:50:24 < Laurenceb> wow fminsearch isa shit 2017-11-10T14:50:35 < Laurenceb> tiem for custom optimiser script 2017-11-10T14:52:36 < Laurenceb> wtf am I reading https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/11/09/2314220/human-mini-brains-growing-inside-rat-bodies-are-starting-to-integrate 2017-11-10T14:52:51 < Laurenceb> dat url 2017-11-10T14:53:59 < jadew> nice 2017-11-10T14:54:41 < jadew> form of punishment in the future: instead of prison, your brain gets transplanted into a pig 2017-11-10T14:55:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T14:55:22 < Laurenceb> joke is on them, maybe I want to be a pig 2017-11-10T14:55:32 < jadew> heh 2017-11-10T14:55:49 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T14:55:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-10T14:56:54 < jadew> "mini-brain research" 2017-11-10T14:57:04 < jadew> so there is something called "mini-brain research" 2017-11-10T15:12:10 < Laurenceb> Accel RMS fit error:0.1%, Magno:1.7% 2017-11-10T15:12:12 < Laurenceb> oh yeah 2017-11-10T15:12:20 < Laurenceb> fminsearch btfo 2017-11-10T15:12:45 < Laurenceb> fittime 1ms 2017-11-10T15:37:07 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/nck2DWc 2017-11-10T15:47:21 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T15:52:59 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-10T16:17:43 < Rob235> booya: https://rjfeddeler.github.io/DrawBotPanel_v2/ 2017-11-10T16:17:53 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2017-11-10T16:18:05 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T16:27:04 < jadew> are there any drill bits that can both drill and chamfer the hole at the same time? for countersunk bolts 2017-11-10T16:27:54 < jadew> seems like yes: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-Power-Groove-Countersink-Set-5-Piece-AR2008G/205193155 2017-11-10T16:37:58 < jadew> those CNCs from china, they don't do variable speed, isn't it? 2017-11-10T16:38:56 < jadew> I wonder if there's some sort of adapter so they can be used for tapping as well 2017-11-10T16:41:33 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-10T16:47:43 < invzim> karlp: yup 2017-11-10T16:52:57 < karlp> jadew: with a setscrew to hold the bit in place? looks attrocious 2017-11-10T16:53:28 < karlp> looks like the garbage hole saw drill set I bought 2017-11-10T16:57:44 < jadew> karlp, yeah, I don't want that particular one, I was just wonder if they're available 2017-11-10T16:58:21 < jadew> I'm trying to figure out how to drill 16 holes, tap 8 of them, with 4 on one side, 4 on the other side in the least amount of time 2017-11-10T16:59:28 < jadew> the tapping part is probably going to be the most problematic 2017-11-10T16:59:30 < karlp> I'd _assume all of one side at a time, tool changes should be far shorter than flipping the workpiece, and require far less precision in alignment 2017-11-10T17:00:12 < jadew> they're split across several pieces, but on one, I have 4 on one side, 4 on the other 2017-11-10T17:00:22 < jadew> and those are the ones that need tapping 2017-11-10T17:01:22 < jadew> I think the drilling part will be fairly easy, I just make a stopper for the vice where I'll mount the piece 2017-11-10T17:01:35 < jadew> so just press it against that stopper and then tighten it 2017-11-10T17:01:48 < jadew> hit enter, let the CNC make the holes 2017-11-10T17:01:52 < jadew> flip & repeat 2017-11-10T17:05:23 < jadew> if I could make maybe 20 boxes per hour, that would be fairly efficient 2017-11-10T17:06:38 < jadew> don't think I can tho, too many steps 2017-11-10T17:10:07 < englishman> lol, dongs still refuses to believe that Netflix offers more than dvds 2017-11-10T17:10:45 < englishman> that's like thinking Amazon only sells books 2017-11-10T17:26:23 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T17:37:05 < Laurenceb> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11338453&cid=55524913 2017-11-10T17:37:19 < Laurenceb> le low effort trawl 2017-11-10T17:40:45 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/jpvgc3A 2017-11-10T17:47:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T17:49:03 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T17:58:29 -!- enh [~enhering@191.34.183.224] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:00:57 < Thorn> seeeeeed https://i.imgur.com/abrVcwv.jpg 2017-11-10T18:06:49 < Thorn> no solder mask between tssop pads 2017-11-10T18:07:03 -!- enh [~enhering@191.34.183.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-10T18:07:37 -!- enh [~enhering@191.34.183.224] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:09:12 < jadew> did you have it in the gerber? 2017-11-10T18:09:16 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/kzjO8Po 2017-11-10T18:09:31 < Thorn> yes I did 2017-11-10T18:09:56 < jadew> Laurenceb, that chick doesn't have to masturbate, she can get layd any time she wants 2017-11-10T18:10:05 < Laurenceb> ikr 2017-11-10T18:10:10 < jadew> *laid 2017-11-10T18:10:17 < ingrix> jadew: but only for reproductive purposes 2017-11-10T18:10:27 < jadew> ingrix, haha 2017-11-10T18:10:43 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:11:03 < Laurenceb> >inb4 later on in the interview he says that he's going to go home and masturbate thinking about her 2017-11-10T18:11:24 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-10T18:11:36 < ingrix> he actually says that in that interview doesn't he? 2017-11-10T18:12:15 -!- enh [~enhering@191.34.183.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T18:12:59 < Laurenceb> wait wut 2017-11-10T18:13:01 < Laurenceb> oh my god 2017-11-10T18:13:05 < Laurenceb> he does 2017-11-10T18:13:11 < Laurenceb> the memes are real 2017-11-10T18:13:51 < Laurenceb> lol @ the presenter 2017-11-10T18:13:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T18:15:24 < jadew> link? 2017-11-10T18:15:40 < ingrix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0YAgXV4MiE 2017-11-10T18:16:26 < ingrix> I feel like this is something you would see on an SNL skit 2017-11-10T18:18:36 < englishman> Thorn: looks fine to me 2017-11-10T18:20:19 < englishman> pro pcbs will be the same 2017-11-10T18:20:51 < englishman> well no 2017-11-10T18:20:56 < englishman> but thats still fine 2017-11-10T18:21:09 < englishman> what do you want for 50c 2017-11-10T18:21:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:21:39 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdPBUYi7p5o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpljHumeZ0Y 2017-11-10T18:22:28 < jadew> found the best gif ever made: https://i.imgur.com/ugsmDBX.gif 2017-11-10T18:22:53 < karlp> big words 2017-11-10T18:23:05 < ingrix> haha 2017-11-10T18:23:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:23:42 < karlp> needs more pixels at the very least 2017-11-10T18:24:17 < ingrix> looks like we've got a webm fan over here 2017-11-10T18:24:37 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/pGb3YzN.gifv 2017-11-10T18:28:06 < englishman> karlp, what are iceland gun laws like 2017-11-10T18:28:10 < englishman> looks like no pistols 2017-11-10T18:28:27 < englishman> and limited to hunting guns only 2017-11-10T18:28:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-10T18:31:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-10T18:32:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:33:38 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-10T18:34:04 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-80-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-10T18:34:05 < englishman> 30 cal max :( 2017-11-10T18:34:10 < englishman> https://www.syslumenn.is/thjonusta/leyfi-og-loggildingar/skotvopn 2017-11-10T18:34:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-10T18:34:51 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@2002:5cc1:5067:0:f9c2:c69:f2af:be84] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:37:29 < englishman> more sensible than most countries, at least 2017-11-10T18:37:56 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:38:17 < Laurenceb> http://www.infowarsshop.com/Super-Male-Vitality-_p_1227.html 2017-11-10T18:38:20 < Laurenceb> my sides 2017-11-10T18:41:14 < karlp> englishman: aiui, lots of guns per capita, but yeah, mostly shotguns, and a few rifles. 2017-11-10T18:41:28 < karlp> not a lot of rifle game, the reindeer is a quite limited lotto 2017-11-10T18:41:46 < englishman> yeah, this was probably the last year reindeer even have a hunt, here 2017-11-10T18:41:49 < englishman> just too few 2017-11-10T18:41:57 < karlp> geese and ptarmigan and guillemot/cormorant are all shotgun 2017-11-10T18:42:00 < englishman> er, not reindeer, caribou 2017-11-10T18:42:12 < karlp> same thing, different location right? 2017-11-10T18:42:16 < englishman> pretty much 2017-11-10T18:42:57 < karlp> ends up here that _lots_ of people will have a shotgun, and go for a single, maybe two, social weekends a year in autumn, and that's that. 2017-11-10T18:43:42 < karlp> cops are very much trying to get lots more guns, "bcause terrrrrrror" and shit, but so far that's being fought back. 2017-11-10T18:43:54 < englishman> atm normalcops dont have guns, right 2017-11-10T18:44:19 < karlp> no, they have handguns in their car normally, 2017-11-10T18:44:35 < karlp> they're using the "viking squad" basically _all the time_ though now, and those guys do, 2017-11-10T18:45:08 < karlp> it was a bit of a kerfuffle this summer when they deployed those dudes all armoured up in the middle of a fun run. 2017-11-10T18:45:28 < karlp> omg, terrorist target, must put guncopss everywhere, like they'll be able to do a damn thing about it. 2017-11-10T18:46:04 < englishman> i see iceland did not even compete in a single shooting event at rio 2017-11-10T18:47:35 < englishman> well, there is no better way to threaten and intimidate the populace than constant shows of force 2017-11-10T18:47:51 < karlp> there were one or two people who were _close_ to qualifying for some shooting event iirc, 2017-11-10T18:48:03 < karlp> but hey, fuck that, we're going to play in moscow next year! 2017-11-10T18:49:20 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9E410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T18:49:37 < englishman> in the football 2017-11-10T18:53:15 < Laurenceb> muh ebil russianz 2017-11-10T18:54:26 < englishman> https://www.ptsecurity.com/upload/corporate/ww-en/analytics/Where-theres-a-JTAG-theres-a-way.pdf 2017-11-10T18:54:26 < englishman> https://twitter.com/h0t_max/status/928269320064450560 2017-11-10T18:56:32 < Laurenceb> st gyros are weird 2017-11-10T18:56:43 < Laurenceb> adc range is +-2300dps 2017-11-10T18:56:49 < Laurenceb> spec is +-2000 2017-11-10T18:58:29 < Laurenceb> le epin cal code https://pastebin.com/vuwD8mNN 2017-11-10T18:58:57 < Laurenceb> consistently giving me <0.1% calibration errors 2017-11-10T18:59:21 < englishman> all this to just return bool isBabbyShaked 2017-11-10T18:59:45 < Laurenceb> and ukp1.3M 2017-11-10T19:00:04 < englishman> ukp0.0M of which goes in the phd's pocket 2017-11-10T19:00:35 < Laurenceb> accurate 2017-11-10T19:02:21 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T19:03:57 < Laurenceb> lis3 sensitivity is pretty consistent between axes 2017-11-10T19:04:06 < Laurenceb> <+-0.9% variation 2017-11-10T19:04:13 < Laurenceb> offsets are yuuuge though 2017-11-10T19:04:57 < Laurenceb> liek 50µT or more 2017-11-10T19:05:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-10T19:07:40 < Laurenceb> now I "just" need to write some helper scripts so its easy to calibrate panels of sensors 2017-11-10T19:07:56 < Laurenceb> and archive the data to a big pdf 2017-11-10T19:08:17 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9E410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-10T19:09:40 < Laurenceb> alternative: just call +-1% good enough and don't bother going for +-0.1% 2017-11-10T19:09:49 < Laurenceb> but then how would I do makework tasks 2017-11-10T19:10:28 < qyx> http://www.yankodesign.com/2017/10/18/pick-your-plug/ 2017-11-10T19:10:29 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9E410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T19:10:30 < qyx> much fail 2017-11-10T19:10:59 < Steffanx> So how does Laurenceb calibrate? Does it also do temp compensation? 2017-11-10T19:11:46 < qyx> not sure how the thing works looking at the disassembled socket 2017-11-10T19:11:59 < kakimir> they failed to make a grid out of them voltage lines 2017-11-10T19:12:41 < kakimir> so you can not just pick a hole 2017-11-10T19:12:49 < kakimir> *holes 2017-11-10T19:16:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T19:18:25 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: atm just 6 point calibration 2017-11-10T19:18:46 < Laurenceb> I need to look at temperature drift but atm I'm planning on just a 6 point cal for each device 2017-11-10T19:19:06 < Laurenceb> then temp cal and vibration rig test on a smaller sample 2017-11-10T19:20:07 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T19:20:40 < Thorn> I finally know the difference between attributes and characteristics. should have started with a book rather than blog posts 2017-11-10T19:21:56 < Thorn> why are characteristics so redundant. handles and uuids are repeated twice 2017-11-10T19:31:00 < englishman> dongs, beep 2017-11-10T19:31:09 < englishman> is there a multitech dragonfly type thing that works in japan 2017-11-10T19:34:12 < Laurenceb> not too bad https://pastebin.com/Xmgy2suh 2017-11-10T19:36:48 < kakimir> anyone recommend zenbook flip? 2017-11-10T19:37:41 < kakimir> bullshit price it's 95% same thing than my 2years? old zenbook and still costs 300eur more I paid of mine 2017-11-10T19:39:23 < kakimir> with zenbook flip I get my A4 size drawing pad 2017-11-10T19:43:12 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-10T19:49:16 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T19:55:07 < ReadErr> http://www.templeos.org/Videos/Margie.mp4 2017-11-10T19:55:09 < ReadErr> looool 2017-11-10T19:55:12 < ReadErr> terry is free ;) 2017-11-10T19:55:18 < ReadErr> with a new cast member 2017-11-10T19:58:59 < englishman> wow 2017-11-10T19:59:43 < ReadErr> ikr 2017-11-10T20:00:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T20:04:24 < jadew> is he living in a van? 2017-11-10T20:04:50 < karlp> Thorn: in what context are you talking? 2017-11-10T20:05:28 < jadew> NSF: http://www.templeos.org/Videos/SkinnyDip.MP4 2017-11-10T20:05:40 < jadew> NSFW 2017-11-10T20:06:00 < Thorn> karlp: BLE 2017-11-10T20:07:07 < kakimir> nice pond type of thing 2017-11-10T20:07:47 < dfgg> what. 2017-11-10T20:09:27 < jadew> that's the place where developers go when they go nuts 2017-11-10T20:09:40 < ReadErr> dont click that link 2017-11-10T20:09:45 < jadew> haha 2017-11-10T20:10:15 < Thorn> nordick released yet another softdevice for nrf52. there are now about 5 for nrf52 and 1 for nrf51 2017-11-10T20:10:18 < kakimir> place looks warm-ish if I look at the floration 2017-11-10T20:10:29 < kakimir> or dry 2017-11-10T20:10:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T20:10:47 < kakimir> what state is it? 2017-11-10T20:16:51 < ReadErr> nevada 2017-11-10T20:16:55 < ReadErr> lasvegas 2017-11-10T20:19:42 < PaulFertser> Just a guy dipping in a river, what's so nsfw about it? It'd be plain silly to do that clothed, right? 2017-11-10T20:33:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T20:34:41 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-10T20:36:21 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T20:44:59 < Steffanx> Tell your boss that after he fired you. 2017-11-10T20:49:58 < englishman> ReadErr whats your opinion of louie needing an audience to jerk off 2017-11-10T20:50:13 < ReadErr> some call that 'kink' 2017-11-10T20:50:17 < ReadErr> right 2017-11-10T20:50:22 < BrainDamage> exibhitionism is nothing new 2017-11-10T20:51:08 < englishman> >invites girls to hotel room 2017-11-10T20:51:08 < englishman> >asks if he can jerk off 2017-11-10T20:51:08 < englishman> >they dont say no and dont leave 2017-11-10T20:51:08 < englishman> >undress after cold NY evening 2017-11-10T20:51:08 < englishman> >jerk off 2017-11-10T20:51:09 < englishman> >minutes pass 2017-11-10T20:51:09 < englishman> >finish 2017-11-10T20:51:10 < englishman> >they leave 2017-11-10T20:51:10 < englishman> >15 years pass 2017-11-10T20:51:11 < englishman> "omg we were raped" 2017-11-10T20:51:31 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@speedy.cloner.services] by ChanServ 2017-11-10T20:54:02 < englishbot> sorry stefs 2017-11-10T20:54:07 < englishbot> dicknplacing is extremely boring 2017-11-10T20:54:26 < Steffanx> 4ban.. 2017-11-10T20:56:04 < Steffanx> /msg chanserv unquiet ##stm32 englishman 2017-11-10T20:56:06 < Steffanx> whops 2017-11-10T20:56:12 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@speedy.cloner.services] by ChanServ 2017-11-10T20:57:19 < kakimir> englishbot: has Laurenceb corrupted you? 2017-11-10T21:00:12 < Steffanx> Do you even speak french, fluently? 2017-11-10T21:00:26 < englishman> yeah kaks 2017-11-10T21:00:28 < englishman> do you 2017-11-10T21:01:02 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: if I was fired for watching such a short video at work, I would probably be glad because I do not want to work at such a shitty place that can get an engineer fired for a 3-minute video. 2017-11-10T21:01:31 < Steffanx> I knew you would say something like that. 2017-11-10T21:01:54 < Steffanx> Yet I don't think you should post shit like that. 2017-11-10T21:02:17 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: please do not mix exhibitionism and naturism 2017-11-10T21:02:46 < BrainDamage> needing an audience to jerk off is naturism, since when? 2017-11-10T21:03:04 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: no, I was talking about that Terry video, and you're talking about prior discussion, sorry. 2017-11-10T21:04:14 < BrainDamage> i was replying to the lines immediately above mine 2017-11-10T21:04:48 < Steffanx> Sometimes there are clients around me on the work floor PaulFertser. Im pretty sure i would get fired for watching that video at that time, PaulFertser. 2017-11-10T21:05:18 < Steffanx> Or would at least get a very serious talk. 2017-11-10T21:06:44 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: heh, that I can understand. Though probably they wouldn't like seeing you watching any video, no matter what content. 2017-11-10T21:11:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-10T21:13:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T21:35:07 < englishman> maybe because this is how paul learned cyrillic (n s f w) https://imgur.com/a/qJ2C1 2017-11-10T21:36:53 < englishman> only if actual innovation chats were being interrupted 2017-11-10T21:40:39 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-10T21:42:15 < aandrew> innovation chats 2017-11-10T21:45:31 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9E410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-10T21:45:59 < jadew> you mean innovation *charts 2017-11-10T21:46:07 < jadew> because that alphabet chart is pure gold 2017-11-10T21:49:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-10T21:50:59 < jadew> there appears to be a sale on aliexpress tomorrow 2017-11-10T21:51:22 < englishman> got a vibratory feeder 2017-11-10T21:51:28 < englishman> so i can place ancient overpriced parts from Maxim now 2017-11-10T21:52:36 < PaulFertser> englishman: whoah, a nice one. I wonder where those pics come from. 2017-11-10T21:52:43 < Steffanx> Or when you annoy me superbia ;) 2017-11-10T21:53:09 < jadew> PaulFertser, russian erotic book 2017-11-10T21:53:14 < jadew> https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/7bxh97/sovietera_erotic_alphabet_book_1931/ 2017-11-10T21:53:22 < jadew> that's how porn looked like in 1931 2017-11-10T21:55:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T21:55:54 < PaulFertser> btw, in russian there's no "i" letter. It's present in ukrainian though. 2017-11-10T21:57:41 < englishman> there's no I in Communism 2017-11-10T21:57:48 < jadew> haha 2017-11-10T21:59:23 < kakimir> PaulFertser: how do you get around it then? 2017-11-10T22:00:00 < kakimir> oh I alphabet you mean 2017-11-10T22:00:19 < qyx> speaking of russia, I am listetning to "break by fucking sky" atm 2017-11-10T22:00:21 < qyx> PaulFertser: ^ 2017-11-10T22:00:37 < PaulFertser> kakimir: letter "и" in russian sounds about the same as "i" in ukrainian. And "ы" in russian is about the same as "и" in ukrainian. Go figure. 2017-11-10T22:01:33 < kakimir> in finnish click speaker symbol https://translate.google.fi/#fi/en/i 2017-11-10T22:03:01 < kakimir> okay i in russian and finnish are pretty much the same 2017-11-10T22:03:36 < PaulFertser> Like in english "pig" or "kit". 2017-11-10T22:03:55 < jadew> romanian too 2017-11-10T22:06:31 < englishman> i'm listening to rosa helikopter 2017-11-10T22:06:40 < upgrdman> anyone here have a foam mattress? like it? 2017-11-10T22:07:08 < upgrdman> superbia, lol really? 2017-11-10T22:07:19 < upgrdman> does it just disintegrate into dust? 2017-11-10T22:07:32 < upgrdman> oh that sucks 2017-11-10T22:07:57 < upgrdman> i think my normal (springs) mattress is ~15yr old and its just a little deformed 2017-11-10T22:08:25 < upgrdman> ive had goose pillow. the feather end poke out. wtf. 2017-11-10T22:08:37 < upgrdman> a cheap walmart china trash pillow is nicer 2017-11-10T22:08:58 < upgrdman> 150euros on a pillow? hmm 2017-11-10T22:09:16 < upgrdman> must be some magical geese feather 2017-11-10T22:09:41 * upgrdman hopes it isnt some 4chan cum pillow 2017-11-10T22:10:52 < upgrdman> ok. pic? 2017-11-10T22:11:54 < upgrdman> lol k 2017-11-10T22:12:11 < upgrdman> are you new to ##stm32? 2017-11-10T22:12:15 < upgrdman> TIL this is a safe space 2017-11-10T22:12:32 < upgrdman> emotional abuse is part of the appeal of this channel 2017-11-10T22:13:06 < Steffanx> Wanna cry on my shoulder? 2017-11-10T22:13:25 < kakimir> englishman: https://translate.google.fi/#fi/en/J%C3%A4rjestelm%C3%A4llistytt%C3%A4m%C3%A4tt%C3%B6myydell%C3%A4%C3%A4ns%C3%A4k%C3%A4%C3%A4nk%C3%B6h%C3%A4n here is long word for you that is not combined words but all inflected form of a single word 2017-11-10T22:13:39 < Steffanx> lol 2017-11-10T22:14:09 < upgrdman> i bet superbia's pillow really IS a cum pillow 2017-11-10T22:14:09 < Steffanx> always had a love-hate relationship with this guy :D 2017-11-10T22:14:52 < upgrdman> i have not really followed him. is he easily upset? 2017-11-10T22:14:58 < Steffanx> i think so 2017-11-10T22:15:14 < upgrdman> i guess i could have been gently, but the cum pillow remark was a light-hearted joke 2017-11-10T22:15:20 < upgrdman> gentler* 2017-11-10T22:15:21 < Steffanx> or just done with it, i can understand that. 2017-11-10T22:15:41 < Steffanx> it's not that ##stm32 is the most friendly channel around 2017-11-10T22:15:49 < kakimir> just sleep in a pile of hay 2017-11-10T22:16:00 < upgrdman> kakimir, sounds uncomfy 2017-11-10T22:16:59 < englishman> thanks kaks 2017-11-10T22:17:04 < kakimir> haybarn romance.. all the old movies have it 2017-11-10T22:18:45 < upgrdman> more like GAYbarn romance 2017-11-10T22:19:01 < dekar_> https://eliasoenal.com/2017/11/10/verzweiflung-a-story-about-how-i-hacked-the-internet/ 2017-11-10T22:21:02 < kakimir> englishman: this is good "Kokoo kokoon koko kokko! Koko kokkoko? Koko kokko." 2017-11-10T22:21:18 < kakimir> meaning "Gather up a full bonfire! A full bonfire? A full bonfire." 2017-11-10T22:22:31 < Steffanx> upgrdman, better read dekar_'s story, as a fellow china-mover. 2017-11-10T22:23:17 < upgrdman> dekar is elias? i thought elias was some other guy? 2017-11-10T22:23:27 < dekar_> That's me :) 2017-11-10T22:23:35 < upgrdman> did you have a diff nick before? 2017-11-10T22:23:42 < upgrdman> maybe im just being retarded 2017-11-10T22:23:42 < dekar_> nope 2017-11-10T22:23:47 < upgrdman> o ok 2017-11-10T22:28:10 < upgrdman> dekar_, nice article. will try your code next time im in cn 2017-11-10T22:28:52 < upgrdman> didnt know about chinanet/cn2. that could explain why one hotel i was at was super slow on VPN and the other was almost acceptable on VPN 2017-11-10T22:28:58 < dekar_> upgrdman, let me know how it works for you. 2017-11-10T22:29:01 < upgrdman> will do 2017-11-10T22:29:44 < upgrdman> im guessing my workplace has cn2. because i can get >25Mbps to the USA around 75% of the time when im at work 2017-11-10T22:30:05 < upgrdman> but at one hotel its worse than dialup. and at another hotel i get >10Mbps to the USA around 50% of the time. 2017-11-10T22:30:25 < upgrdman> both hotels have lots of foreigners, so its not like one would have less international net usage 2017-11-10T22:31:20 < upgrdman> syncthing made my last cn trip livable. i would youtube-dl lots of shit to my Droplet in the USA, and let it sync ~50GB over night 2017-11-10T22:35:01 < dekar_> verzweiflung usually allows for youtube at 1080p, or so I have heard... *cough* 2017-11-10T22:35:10 < upgrdman> :D 2017-11-10T22:36:22 < upgrdman> lets hope cn's machine learning firewalls dont wise up to your tricks. 2017-11-10T22:37:39 < dekar_> according to the issues on github shadowsocks has been blocked recently, and that protocol has no headers at all. 2017-11-10T22:41:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-10T22:41:48 < upgrdman> dekar_, is shadowsocks a sort of vpn protocol? 2017-11-10T22:41:54 < dekar_> yeah 2017-11-10T22:41:56 < upgrdman> heard about it buy never looking into ti 2017-11-10T22:42:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-10T22:42:08 < upgrdman> i've been using openvpn wrapped in stunnel 2017-11-10T22:43:35 < dekar_> ss has polished smartphone apps and the like, probably one of the reasons why it was so popular. 2017-11-10T22:44:43 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T22:44:47 < stvn> http://www.paullinebarger.net/DS/Chang/ 2017-11-10T22:44:53 < stvn> the database of shit 2017-11-10T22:51:44 < Steffanx> Good morning 2017-11-10T22:51:50 < stvn> hi sir 2017-11-10T22:52:40 < Steffanx> We are not often privileged to see you on saturdays. 2017-11-10T22:52:55 < stvn> yeah muscles 2017-11-10T22:56:11 < jadew> Steffanx, it's friday 2017-11-10T22:56:21 < Steffanx> no in the land down under. 2017-11-10T22:57:01 < Steffanx> *not 2017-11-10T22:57:26 < stvn> hah 2017-11-10T22:57:39 < stvn> farken satdee mate 2017-11-10T23:00:23 < Steffanx> So how is coning? 2017-11-10T23:00:57 < stvn> good mate 2017-11-10T23:01:29 < stvn> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Homemade_Crystal_Meth_Bong.jpg/180px-Homemade_Crystal_Meth_Bong.jpg 2017-11-10T23:04:10 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-10T23:05:32 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:24d3:bd23:bae9:fa7d] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T23:13:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b0e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T23:21:18 < kakimir> yet another winter 2017-11-10T23:23:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpminfmpDFE I wonder if there is any skiing location in europe with such powder and forrests 2017-11-10T23:47:38 < englishman> fucking forgot to order ONE value of resistor 2017-11-10T23:47:42 < englishman> now entire job is stalled until monday 2017-11-10T23:48:06 < kakimir> what are you building? 2017-11-10T23:48:19 < kakimir> do you have your pcb bakery at home? 2017-11-10T23:48:26 < englishman> this is some lazor controller 2017-11-10T23:48:37 < englishman> needs 37.4 ohm resistor 2017-11-10T23:48:50 < englishman> such rage. 2017-11-10T23:49:52 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:dc6e:28e1:b354:dc91] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-10T23:58:45 < kakimir> why such special value? 2017-11-10T23:59:36 < kakimir> is it a product or a proto? --- Day changed Sat Nov 11 2017 2017-11-11T00:01:30 < kakimir> I assume it's a current set value resistor 2017-11-11T00:05:43 < ohsix> 3d printer fire 2017-11-11T00:05:54 < ohsix> hehehehheheheuehuehruhruh 2017-11-11T00:06:24 < ohsix> i was losing the battle on advising the owner of the printer to get an enclosure and shit, but the fire gives me a decent break 2017-11-11T00:06:58 < upgrdman> ohsix, filament get too hot? 2017-11-11T00:07:32 < ohsix> nah heater bed thermistor got disconnected 2017-11-11T00:08:49 < upgrdman> oh, good design. disconnected thermal sensor is not interpreted as a fault. lol. 2017-11-11T00:09:00 < ohsix> it is, but it wasn't disconnected well enough 2017-11-11T00:09:31 < ohsix> partial failure leads to temp rise on the wires to the heating bed, the pins in the connector weren't as good as the wires 2017-11-11T00:09:57 < ohsix> connector got hotter than wire, it progressed; y moves around on this printer so the heater/thermistor wire does too 2017-11-11T00:10:47 < ohsix> there's a lot that's bad about this printer, it's not unique in that respect; but every time i talk about something with the owner he's like 'IT WAS RATED THE BEST IN MAKE MAGAZINE' 2017-11-11T00:10:56 < Steffanx> Better get your own resistor trimmer englishman 2017-11-11T00:11:10 < ohsix> that characterizes my frustration p. good 2017-11-11T00:11:35 < ohsix> it's kind of funny 2017-11-11T00:11:45 < Steffanx> And which one is that mr ohsix ? 2017-11-11T00:12:02 < ohsix> the print area is touted as ~300mm^3 but there's no chance in hell you can use more than a few cm off the board withotu an enclosure :D 2017-11-11T00:12:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b0e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T00:12:07 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b0e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T00:12:26 < ohsix> and if you get part width any more than 30% of x/y it lifts on the corners, also due to no enclosure 2017-11-11T00:12:34 < ohsix> Steffanx: lulzbot taz 5 2017-11-11T00:13:01 < ohsix> i only recently rebuilt and reinstalled the printhead it comes with, the owner had bought the 500$ dual extrusion head and it is so fucking bad i wanted to cry 2017-11-11T00:14:27 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-11T00:15:05 < daey> is it possible to return a value of a variable before assigning a new value to it? something like 'return x && x=0; 2017-11-11T00:15:20 < vampi-the-frog> daey: return (x = 0); 2017-11-11T00:15:27 < daey> nice 2017-11-11T00:15:35 < vampi-the-frog> but it returns after assigning 2017-11-11T00:15:51 < daey> yeah thats not what i want 2017-11-11T00:15:56 < vampi-the-frog> oh just store it in a temp var 2017-11-11T00:16:13 < daey> yeah i thought it was doable in one line, would have been nice 2017-11-11T00:16:56 < qyx> then maybe (x = 0) return; 2017-11-11T00:17:41 < ohsix> like the difference between ++x and x++? 2017-11-11T00:17:41 < daey> doesnt return need the value on the left side? 2017-11-11T00:17:51 < daey> right* 2017-11-11T00:17:55 < ohsix> rvalue is x+1 on the left, x on the right 2017-11-11T00:18:22 < ohsix> i think assignment returns the assigned bit 2017-11-11T00:18:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-11T00:18:39 < qyx> it was a joke 2017-11-11T00:18:44 < daey> ... 2017-11-11T00:19:32 < ohsix> https://godbolt.org/g/bh3NqJ 2017-11-11T00:19:53 < ohsix> oic 2017-11-11T00:19:58 < ohsix> was vampi-the-frog's a joke too 2017-11-11T00:20:14 < ohsix> misread consensus 2017-11-11T00:20:54 < daey> yeah yours works how i would expect it to. bar gets foo's value which then is returned 2017-11-11T00:22:10 < vampi-the-frog> is x a global? 2017-11-11T00:22:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T00:24:25 < ohsix> https://i.imgur.com/IEoqng3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/xU7g8Vz.jpg 2017-11-11T00:24:59 < ohsix> i think even if you find a way to do the 'old' return value, it will just be getting the compiler to use a temporary on your behalf, it's clearer to just do that 2017-11-11T00:25:46 < daey> yeah ive come to that conclusion 5mins ago ^_^. i just thought there might be a handy trick 2017-11-11T00:27:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, you ever done any opengl? 2017-11-11T00:29:07 < ohsix> yea lots, not much modern 2017-11-11T00:29:47 < ohsix> daey: there's some junk you could do with xor or some other contortions :D but you'd also have to have another variable to do it with 2017-11-11T00:29:52 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T00:30:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: you see all the hot stuff the blender youtube channel started posting this year? 2017-11-11T00:30:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, i have not. will check. 2017-11-11T00:30:42 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T00:30:48 < englishman> kakimir: yeah its my primary scam right now 2017-11-11T00:30:57 < upgrdman> ohsix, maybe you'll know the answer to this question that nobody answered in ##opengl: 2017-11-11T00:31:06 < upgrdman> not sure if this is common with opengl, or is a bug in my code, or a bug in the java lib im using (JOGL). when resizing my window, the canvas i draw on is resized maybe a frame later. i have vsync enabled, and im literally drawing one triangle, so i dont think im swaping the gpu. here's what it looks like: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/jogl_not_redrawing_in_sync_with_jframe_size.mp4 2017-11-11T00:31:07 < upgrdman> swamping* 2017-11-11T00:31:07 < upgrdman> notice the black regions when i resize the window, which go away a frame later. 2017-11-11T00:32:10 < ohsix> it's sort of unrelated to gl, but to solve it you need to do handle expose/draw events for that area; and probably resize the gl area explicitly instead of waiting for jogl or something to adapt to the window size on next frame 2017-11-11T00:32:18 < ohsix> gl is just 'on top' of shit 2017-11-11T00:32:39 < upgrdman> hmm 2017-11-11T00:33:03 < ohsix> it's a little different on windows with new stuff but not practically different for that problem 2017-11-11T00:33:22 < ohsix> on lunix too 2017-11-11T00:33:57 < ohsix> the window manager (win and loonix) are out of sync with all the drawing, and they just ask the backing window to repaint itself; the difference between that event and the next frame == an unpainted area 2017-11-11T00:34:12 < upgrdman> ya 2017-11-11T00:34:37 < upgrdman> i figured that much. but it looks like JOGL doesnt expose a way to fix this. i posted in their forum, so i'll see if anyone answers 2017-11-11T00:34:39 < ohsix> gl context has to resize too, but it sounds like that's handled a little already 2017-11-11T00:34:41 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@port-92-193-80-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T00:35:08 < upgrdman> ya i have a feeling resize() is called AFTER the resize occurs, so theres that one frame delay 2017-11-11T00:35:25 < ohsix> i dunno much about java, but find out how jogl sets up the event loop for that window, find out how it arranges the paint, then just find a way to hear the same message and manually resize 2017-11-11T00:35:26 < upgrdman> even turning off vsync only reduced, not fixed, the problem 2017-11-11T00:35:53 < ohsix> vsync off just means you see 200 hundred frames instead of 60 :p 2017-11-11T00:35:59 < upgrdman> yes :) 2017-11-11T00:36:34 < ohsix> 'jogl resize flicker' is all over the internuts 2017-11-11T00:37:28 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@2002:5cc1:5067:0:f9c2:c69:f2af:be84] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-11T00:37:38 < upgrdman> oh nice. 2017-11-11T00:37:40 < upgrdman> reading up. 2017-11-11T00:40:18 < ohsix> it looks like jogl has a native window output 2017-11-11T00:40:28 < ohsix> so the code to handle paints is going to be in c 2017-11-11T00:49:31 < upgrdman> ohsix, modern desktops use opengl/dx to render windows. do you know how they manage to always render the GUI at 60Hz even if some program is maxing out the GPU and rendering at 5Hz? 2017-11-11T00:49:55 < upgrdman> e.g. no matter what, you can always see your mouse cursor moving at 60Hz, even if your program is crawling by at 5fps 2017-11-11T01:02:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T01:03:39 < daey> how can i enforce that a define is stored as an integer? 2017-11-11T01:05:01 < upgrdman> i dont think you can 2017-11-11T01:05:22 < upgrdman> preproc dirs do not have datatypes. theyre basically automated copy-n-paste. 2017-11-11T01:05:27 < daey> i know that one can use #define FOO 12345UL 2017-11-11T01:05:50 < daey> but i want to prevent it to be a float value 2017-11-11T01:06:11 < upgrdman> mayne #define cocks (int) 69 2017-11-11T01:06:50 < Steffanx> Defines arent really stored.. a const sure 2017-11-11T01:07:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T01:08:32 < daey> why wouldnt they be stored? if i use said define in a function, the program needs to know about it during runtime so it has to store it, doesnt it? 2017-11-11T01:09:35 < upgrdman> > theyre basically automated copy-n-paste. 2017-11-11T01:09:41 < Steffanx> ^ 2017-11-11T01:10:05 < daey> yeah but in one case it ends up as if (12.45 > x) and in the other as if(12 > x) 2017-11-11T01:10:26 < Ultrasauce> it sounds an awful lot like you want a constant and not a define 2017-11-11T01:10:38 < daey> you might be right 2017-11-11T01:10:40 < Ultrasauce> cause they have types 2017-11-11T01:10:50 < upgrdman> const int cocks = 69; 2017-11-11T01:11:10 < daey> yes, had thought of it 2017-11-11T01:11:10 < Steffanx> Stop cock obsession upgrdman -_- 2017-11-11T01:11:33 < upgrdman> const int civilized_conversations = 69; 2017-11-11T01:11:49 < Steffanx> 123 2017-11-11T01:13:35 < daey> with const, do i need to enforce that the calculation is done in float and the conversation to int done at the end? 2017-11-11T01:14:22 < upgrdman> wtf 2017-11-11T01:15:27 < upgrdman> if you have "const int foo = 3;" you can use foo exactly like you would if it was not const, except it must always be an rvalue. 2017-11-11T01:19:52 < daey> i was refering to something like 'const int foo = 1 * 0.1 * 20;' 2017-11-11T01:20:03 < daey> it seems to work as expected though meaning foo ends up being 2 2017-11-11T02:14:21 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b0e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-11T02:37:07 < Cracki> now why do you think that is so? 2017-11-11T02:37:29 < Cracki> your initial confusion suggests you expected something else 2017-11-11T02:39:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T02:41:47 < daey> Cracki: well seeing that the result is an int, one could assume that the whole calculation might be done in int. maybe i have to cast every member of the calculation to (float) and the endresult to (int) again 2017-11-11T02:42:22 < Cracki> that's not how it works 2017-11-11T02:42:29 < Cracki> * is a binary operation 2017-11-11T02:42:30 < daey> yes i noticed 2017-11-11T02:42:45 < Cracki> if the operands are not of the same type, they're promoted up a hierarchy until they are 2017-11-11T02:43:08 < Cracki> when you write "1", that's initially an int (I think...) 2017-11-11T02:43:11 < daey> that was the piece i was missing 2017-11-11T02:43:21 < Cracki> and float is higher than int 2017-11-11T02:43:52 < Cracki> so what you get is the right side evaluating to 2.0 (float) 2017-11-11T02:44:05 < Cracki> which then is cast to int for the assignment 2017-11-11T02:44:12 < Cracki> that "foo" is const, doesn't matter there. 2017-11-11T02:44:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T02:44:52 < Cracki> there will still be some memory for that variable 2017-11-11T02:44:57 < Cracki> you just aren't allowed to change it 2017-11-11T02:45:21 < Cracki> (the memory exists because you can get a pointer to it) 2017-11-11T02:46:21 < daey> i found a scenario in which you run into trouble though 2017-11-11T02:47:18 < daey> const uint8_t long_press_ovf = ( long_press*F_CPU / (256 * 1024) ); this errors out. i assume because 256 and 1024 are both int. but the result of their multiplication is larger than what int can take. (its not promoting them) 2017-11-11T02:47:29 < Cracki> errors out? 2017-11-11T02:47:40 < Cracki> what's long_press? 2017-11-11T02:47:44 < Cracki> what's F_CPU? 2017-11-11T02:47:59 < Cracki> what's the base type on this architecture? 2017-11-11T02:48:00 < daey> long_press is a float. F_CPU is a UL 2017-11-11T02:48:07 < daey> 8bit avr 2017-11-11T02:48:19 < Cracki> avrgcc ints are 16 bit 2017-11-11T02:48:24 < daey> its easily fixable by removing the brackets around the 256*1024 2017-11-11T02:48:31 < Cracki> uh 2017-11-11T02:48:33 < Cracki> don't do that 2017-11-11T02:48:48 < daey> why not? they are useless 2017-11-11T02:48:51 < Cracki> rather make the right side UL 2017-11-11T02:49:21 < Cracki> well since it's gonna be float anyway, and optimizable at compile time, you're right, doesn't make a difference 2017-11-11T02:49:32 < daey> well by removing the brackets i assume they are getting promoted because the long_press promotes everything to float 2017-11-11T02:49:40 < Cracki> right 2017-11-11T02:50:05 < Cracki> in side the paren, it'd be 256k which doesn't fit inside a 16 bit int 2017-11-11T02:50:21 < daey> yeah. 2017-11-11T02:50:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-11T02:50:31 < Cracki> either rearrange, or put UL on these constants 2017-11-11T02:50:37 < daey> damn these language niceties... one never stops learning 2017-11-11T02:50:46 < Cracki> not nice, but intricate 2017-11-11T02:51:05 < daey> niceties as in 'details' 2017-11-11T02:51:12 < Cracki> nice 2017-11-11T02:52:06 < Cracki> nice https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nice#English 2017-11-11T02:52:53 < Cracki> looks like the usage of that word did a 180 via "pleasant" 2017-11-11T02:54:20 < daey> oh i didnt know that word is old 2017-11-11T02:54:29 < daey> i thought its common 2017-11-11T02:55:13 < Cracki> it's common 2017-11-11T02:55:14 < Cracki> but old 2017-11-11T02:55:25 < Cracki> its meaning changed more than its appearance 2017-11-11T02:55:32 < daey> i see. 2017-11-11T02:56:10 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2017-11-11T02:56:22 < Cracki> a very sarcastic word. you don't know (!) which meaning is intended. 2017-11-11T03:02:22 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T03:21:30 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T03:28:08 < jadew> Cracki, you're a very nice person 2017-11-11T03:31:11 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-31-109.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2017-11-11T03:31:22 < jadew> man... I really have to improve the speed this test runs at, I think it's taking an hour to test the board and I'm not 100% sure where the bottleneck is 2017-11-11T03:34:44 < jadew> 3420 seconds 2017-11-11T03:34:52 < dongs> wat 2017-11-11T03:35:38 < jadew> I'm doing automated testing for a board 2017-11-11T03:36:01 < jadew> right now it's just to validate the design, but I want to make it part of the production testing 2017-11-11T03:36:09 < jadew> and an hour per board is unacceptable 2017-11-11T03:38:37 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T03:48:41 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-31-109.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T03:56:00 < Cracki> wat 2017-11-11T03:56:09 < Cracki> running a full spice or what 2017-11-11T03:59:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T04:05:27 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T04:05:29 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2017-11-11T04:08:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-11T04:08:31 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:dc6e:28e1:b354:dc91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-11T04:13:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T04:13:36 < jadew> Cracki_, no, actually testing the device 2017-11-11T04:13:57 < Cracki_> what all is done in that hour? 2017-11-11T04:15:03 < jadew> it's an analog thing, it's measuring it's response with differnt inputs 2017-11-11T04:16:11 < jadew> *its response 2017-11-11T04:16:24 < jadew> and *different 2017-11-11T04:17:00 < jadew> and I should get to bed, but I'm super energic for some reason 2017-11-11T04:28:17 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-11T04:44:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-11T05:05:52 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T05:12:11 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-11T05:14:32 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T05:19:14 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T05:22:48 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-11T05:24:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-11T05:49:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T05:51:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-11T05:56:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T05:57:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-104-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T05:58:42 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@port-92-193-80-103.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-11T06:04:17 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 2017-11-11T06:05:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T06:08:58 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T06:26:42 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-11T06:27:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T07:10:05 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T07:26:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-11T07:27:23 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T07:30:56 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-11T07:30:57 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-11T07:31:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T07:34:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-11T07:34:55 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T07:36:50 < dongs> http://people.com/crime/oklahoma-incest-daughter-mom-sentenced/ 2017-11-11T07:38:01 < upgrdman> typical american woman https://i.imgur.com/M9oZFbV.gifv 2017-11-11T07:49:00 < dongs> lmaooo 2017-11-11T07:49:22 < englishman> haha 2017-11-11T07:49:41 < englishman> dongs, is there something like multitech dragonfly that works in jp 2017-11-11T07:49:47 < englishman> apparently it doesnt work on docomo 2017-11-11T07:50:55 < dongs> jewblox has jp-certified thing 2017-11-11T07:51:02 < dongs> lisa or whaetver 2017-11-11T07:51:11 < dongs> the LTE thing. 2017-11-11T07:51:14 < dongs> thres a jp/gook version 2017-11-11T07:51:50 < englishman> oh nice 2017-11-11T07:51:56 < englishman> always forget they do cellular 2017-11-11T07:53:05 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-11T07:53:49 < englishman> anyone making ready to use modules out of them? 2017-11-11T07:54:26 < englishman> apparently theres one for APAC and yet another one for japan lol 2017-11-11T07:55:13 < dongs> the module isnt too ahrd to use but yeah i donno if anyone is making a breakout for htem 2017-11-11T07:55:22 < dongs> i used it in a gook rfid proj 2017-11-11T07:55:28 < dongs> thats wehn i saw they had jap version 2017-11-11T07:55:42 < englishman> have you integrated this yourself 2017-11-11T07:55:53 < dongs> you mean put on a board? yes 2017-11-11T07:56:05 < englishman> ok, cool, if it's not too time consuming 2017-11-11T07:56:08 < englishman> ie TX2 2017-11-11T07:56:11 < dongs> yeah no 2017-11-11T07:56:13 < dongs> its normal 2017-11-11T07:56:20 < dongs> they have reference shit that just works 2017-11-11T07:56:25 < englishman> nice 2017-11-11T07:56:27 < dongs> most likely youll need thier gps module there too 2017-11-11T07:56:31 < englishman> even docomo cert'd 2017-11-11T07:56:31 < dongs> unless y ou get one with gps inside 2017-11-11T07:56:40 < englishman> dont need gps 2017-11-11T07:57:54 < englishman> does it just make a bunch of comports over usb as one would expect 2017-11-11T07:59:28 < englishman> TOBY-L2 series modules provide by default the following set of USB functions: 2017-11-11T07:59:28 < englishman>  CDC-ACM modem: AT commands interface is available over this modem COM port 2017-11-11T07:59:30 < englishman> nice 2017-11-11T08:01:37 < dongs> ah yeah toby. that shit 2017-11-11T08:01:45 < dongs> you can do usb or uart to it 2017-11-11T08:02:06 < englishman> yeah 2017-11-11T08:02:12 < englishman> the lisa one is CDMA 2017-11-11T08:02:25 < dongs> right, i used hte lte one 2017-11-11T08:02:27 < dongs> forgot waht teh name was 2017-11-11T08:02:29 < englishman> this one is bga-type tho, there are fully concealed pads underneath 2017-11-11T08:02:41 < dongs> LGA you mean 2017-11-11T08:02:58 < englishman> yeah, but not just around the edge 2017-11-11T08:03:13 < dongs> it works fine in reflow 2017-11-11T08:03:22 < englishman> i hope! 2017-11-11T08:03:31 < englishman> getting better at that shit 2017-11-11T08:03:37 < englishman> but still need a better stencil printer 2017-11-11T08:06:55 < englishman> well 1.1mm pitch i should be ok 2017-11-11T08:09:46 < englishman> jeez there's two for japan even, one for docomo and one for "others" 2017-11-11T08:10:05 < englishman> how do you get anything done over there 2017-11-11T08:13:49 < dongs> lol. 2017-11-11T08:13:56 < dongs> well docomo has the least retarded netwrok 2017-11-11T08:13:59 < dongs> so you can just not care about "others" 2017-11-11T08:16:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T08:20:10 < englishman> good to know 2017-11-11T08:28:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T08:32:27 < englishman> ReadErr: new cia entrapment scheme https://i.imgur.com/HEgDE7O.jpg 2017-11-11T08:43:42 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-11T08:45:02 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T08:56:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-11T08:59:43 < ReadErr> fukin fagetspiners 2017-11-11T09:30:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-11T09:52:41 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T09:52:46 < stvn> wake up Steffanx 2017-11-11T09:52:50 < stvn> i'm back 2017-11-11T09:54:56 < Steffanx> No. Ty 2017-11-11T09:56:53 < stvn> mate 2017-11-11T09:57:14 < stvn> i've copped some gammas mate 2017-11-11T09:58:54 < Steffanx> Wut? 2017-11-11T09:59:16 < stvn> been out in the sun mate 2017-11-11T10:08:13 < dongs> nice 2017-11-11T10:08:23 < dongs> just escaped a 15 minute altidumb crash 2017-11-11T10:08:30 < dongs> had to sit and tab-esc 2017-11-11T10:08:36 < dongs> through about 50 'crash' dialogs 2017-11-11T10:08:42 < dongs> until it finally ran out of them and i could save 2017-11-11T10:09:06 < dongs> key when this shit happens: do not move hte mouse 2017-11-11T10:09:20 < dongs> move it off to 2nd monitor and only use keyboard to cancel the dialogs until they're all gone 2017-11-11T10:09:49 < stvn> oh 2017-11-11T10:17:59 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-11T10:19:13 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T10:26:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T10:29:42 < dekar> dongs, does Altium still have that iconic coloured memory leak indicator in the status bar, suggesting you to restart the application once in a while? 2017-11-11T10:30:06 < dongs> eh i donno. ive not seen it. 2017-11-11T10:30:16 < dongs> i mean this one has been running for about a week or so before it crashed 2017-11-11T10:30:19 < dongs> i think thats pretty good 2017-11-11T10:31:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T10:32:35 < dekar> dongs, http://www.altium.com/documentation/15.1/display/ADES/((Windows+System+Resource+Monitoring))_AD 2017-11-11T10:33:41 < dongs> i guess i've never seen that then 2017-11-11T10:33:45 < dongs> ill keep a watch out. 2017-11-11T10:34:27 < dekar> I think it sometimes just appears in the status bar without additional notice. 2017-11-11T10:35:34 < dekar> I really like the crudity of this feature, quite hilarious :D 2017-11-11T10:42:20 < dongs> really? well makes more sense than what explorer.exe doesd when it runs out of GDI handles 2017-11-11T10:42:24 < dongs> just locking up with a half-drawn window 2017-11-11T10:42:27 < dongs> that you cant close anymore. 2017-11-11T10:42:40 < dongs> just open >20-30 explorer windows to see what happens 2017-11-11T10:42:52 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T10:50:25 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:24d3:bd23:bae9:fa7d] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-11T10:50:51 < dekar> Yeah more software should have that kind of status indicator. :) 2017-11-11T10:52:14 < dekar> Especially OSX, I had it crap out on me with 60GB swapped after just like 3 months of uptime. 2017-11-11T10:52:24 < dekar> Maybe they could use the OLED bar for that. 2017-11-11T11:23:24 < zyp> hmm, my OSX has 305 MB swapped with 80 days of uptime 2017-11-11T11:26:17 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T11:39:02 < dongs> its not hard to use no resources doing nothing 2017-11-11T11:42:22 < zyp> idk, it's using 14GB of RAM 2017-11-11T12:31:36 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p54926524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T12:31:37 -!- abiogenesis_ [~quassel@p54926524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T12:35:11 -!- abiogenesis_ [~quassel@p54926524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T12:36:17 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T12:36:57 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T12:39:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T12:39:32 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Chris_Gammell/status/929202120997314562 2017-11-11T12:52:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/SergeyISS/status/929008674252775425 2017-11-11T12:54:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T13:12:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T13:42:15 < dekar> These days the memory compression compacts the leaks I guess. But I regularly had those issues on older versions. 2017-11-11T13:44:15 < dekar> zyp, https://www.dropbox.com/s/fe3mycku57djffy/mac_swap_fail.png?dl=0 2017-11-11T13:45:07 < dekar> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyv60hj0ri678g8/Screen%20Shot%202014-05-17%20at%2000.58.04_osx_mac_fail_out_of_memory.png?dl=0 2017-11-11T13:46:44 < dongs> fuck dropcocks links 2017-11-11T13:46:52 < dongs> cant fucking view them in a new window it wanst to downlaod shit 2017-11-11T13:48:48 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T13:52:41 < dekar> dongs, yeah they started preventing direct links recently. Any other suggestions of what I could use instead? 2017-11-11T13:53:13 < dekar> I'd prefer not to host it myself for practical reasons, I don't upload private things anyway. 2017-11-11T13:58:12 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:ecea:2f3d:ac60:9c21] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T14:21:09 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has quit [Quit: bye] 2017-11-11T14:22:04 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T14:23:04 < Thorn> seeeed vs allpcb https://i.imgur.com/alcy7pO.jpg 2017-11-11T14:23:22 < dongs> allpcb silk is almsot acceptable 2017-11-11T14:23:26 < dongs> seed is jsut gross 2017-11-11T14:24:32 < Thorn> I've been told in a russian channel that it looks like they fapped onto the pcb 2017-11-11T14:24:59 < dongs> well, gay nigger seeeeeeeeeeeed studio 2017-11-11T14:25:00 < dongs> amirite? 2017-11-11T14:25:19 < Thorn> I should compare shipping times though 2017-11-11T14:25:29 < dongs> ... 2017-11-11T14:25:30 < BrainDamage> the plating looks awful on seeed, uneven and streaked 2017-11-11T14:25:36 < dongs> you mean, like 3-4 days? 2017-11-11T14:25:37 < Thorn> that too 2017-11-11T14:28:13 < Thorn> allpcb ordered on oct 16, received today. seeed: ordered on oct 19, received yesterday 2017-11-11T14:28:29 < dongs> thorn, what teh fuck shipping did you choose? 2017-11-11T14:28:32 < dongs> allpcb arrives in 3 days 2017-11-11T14:28:46 < dongs> lol @ wiating 1 month for pcbs 2017-11-11T14:28:53 < Thorn> privileged westerners 2017-11-11T14:37:18 < Thorn> QFP, no solder mask https://i.imgur.com/bcCnmuh.jpg 2017-11-11T14:37:36 < dongs> thats cuz you didnt put it there 2017-11-11T14:37:55 < Thorn> I did, I checked gerbers 2017-11-11T14:38:08 < Thorn> they want extra $$$ if the gap is < 0.4mm 2017-11-11T14:41:54 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-11T15:08:16 < jpa-> hm, smbus is surprisingly annoying to drive with generic i2c-usb adapters; it uses clock stretching, and also has a 35 us timeout, so any usb latency tends to ruin it 2017-11-11T15:08:29 < zyp> heh 2017-11-11T15:08:52 < jpa-> only adafruit's ft232h library is smart enough to buffer all the data so that it goes onto the wire without delays, but even then i had to hack extra delays in there to account for the clock stretching 2017-11-11T15:09:28 < jpa-> tried to figure out why laptop battery angry; but turns out all interesting registers are behind a password, which is not the default one 2017-11-11T15:09:56 < zyp> speaking of adapters, I'm thinking about making a simple usb to whatever thing 2017-11-11T15:10:14 < jpa-> bus pirate done right? 2017-11-11T15:10:20 < zyp> no 2017-11-11T15:11:02 < zyp> I'm thinking a board that you solder to the end of whatever cable, then has a usb a-plug on the end 2017-11-11T15:11:14 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T15:11:24 < zyp> so you attach it to whatever cable, shrinkwrap it, then have a usb to whatever adapter cable 2017-11-11T15:11:50 < dongs> wut 2017-11-11T15:11:53 < dongs> is "wahtever" 2017-11-11T15:12:26 < jpa-> garden hoses 2017-11-11T15:12:31 < zyp> well, for what I have in mind, I need uart, can and a couple of gpios 2017-11-11T15:13:07 < zyp> but anything that doesn't need transceivers is cheap to add, just break out the pins from the MCU 2017-11-11T15:16:11 < dongs> lol windows 10 cretin update can preview .stl files 2017-11-11T15:17:47 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/1kb6r.jpg <- it'd go in the other end of the yellow cable here 2017-11-11T15:17:52 < dekar> it's supposed to be like Windows 10 Maker Edition, isn't it? 2017-11-11T15:18:00 < zyp> I currently have some ftdi thing hooked up to just the uart pins 2017-11-11T15:18:10 < zyp> but I'll eventually need can too 2017-11-11T15:24:12 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T15:25:04 < Steffanx> what is that thing zyp? 2017-11-11T15:25:13 < Steffanx> work project? 2017-11-11T15:25:38 -!- enh [~enhering@191.34.183.224] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T15:25:39 < Steffanx> or is this your car charge meter project? 2017-11-11T15:25:49 < dongs> i think tis his work cortex-r shit 2017-11-11T15:31:43 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@104.235.206.246] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T15:39:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-11T15:43:00 < dekar> I think I've dumped this here before, but just in case I didn't. It's a thread-safe circular buffer lib that supports zero-copy operation for use with DMA: https://github.com/EliasOenal/etools/blob/master/ecbuff.h 2017-11-11T15:43:22 < dekar> Flexible configuration: https://github.com/EliasOenal/etools/blob/master/ecbuff_cfg.h 2017-11-11T15:43:34 < dekar> Also public domain, so use however you like. 2017-11-11T15:47:10 < dekar> We've used it for several projects and I consider it stable and well tested. 2017-11-11T15:50:56 < karlp> dekar: you should add a LICENSE or somthing in the root 2017-11-11T15:51:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T15:51:50 < dekar> I guess. But github also doesn't know public domain, which basically means no license, because no copyright. 2017-11-11T15:52:24 < dekar> I could select the unlicense, which is related. 2017-11-11T15:52:34 < karlp> well, a readme maybe then. 2017-11-11T15:52:55 < karlp> the LICENSE filename doens't have to be a _license_ just a convention for knowing what the hell the plan is :) 2017-11-11T15:53:27 < karlp> I've sometimes listed things as being "public domain, or where not available, your choice of MIT/X11/ISC/Artistic/BSD2clause" 2017-11-11T15:54:14 < fenugrec> dekar have you tried C11 atomics recently ? Last I tried, gcc generated invalid code for M0 targets 2017-11-11T15:56:50 < dekar> fenugrec, it's still on my todo list, but I didn't try it yet. Did you test clang? 2017-11-11T15:58:30 < fenugrec> dekar nah, I wanted to stay with gcc but I should've tried. 2017-11-11T15:58:42 < fenugrec> https://answers.launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+question/265649 2017-11-11T15:59:55 < dekar> One of our firmwares builds with either, so if I find the time I'll try. 2017-11-11T15:59:56 < fenugrec> gcc is (was) generating a ldrb + mov + strb sequence for a single atomic operation... which is problematic. Hopefully it treats sigatomic_t better 2017-11-11T16:11:35 < dekar> fenugrec, from what I remember sig_atomic_t was just an int on my toolchain. And my implementation only requires atomic reads, as well as writes, but not atomic manipulations, since the read- and write-pointers only have one thread writing them respectively. 2017-11-11T16:15:20 < dekar> That's the beauty of a circular buffer, one thread moves the head pointer, while the other moves the tail. 2017-11-11T16:23:21 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T16:59:19 < dongs> hey zyp 2017-11-11T16:59:23 < dongs> do you knwo any faggots from norway 2017-11-11T16:59:26 < dongs> going to korea next week 2017-11-11T17:12:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-11T17:20:15 < karlp> 🙃💵🌿🎤🚪🌏🐎🥋🚫😆😍🍴😀🐅ℹ🙃✖😀🎅🎃⌨🐍👣🎈😍👑👁🚪🐎😀🐅🐅😁🔄🌊🕹🚨😇🚨🌊💧🤣👌🗒 2017-11-11T17:20:18 < karlp> hehe 2017-11-11T17:20:20 < karlp> https://aghorler.github.io/emoji-aes/ 2017-11-11T17:20:38 < karlp> (key is ##stm32) 2017-11-11T17:20:50 < karlp> (if the emojis even cvame out for anyone) 2017-11-11T17:21:30 < dongs> < karlp> ???????????????????????????????????????????? 2017-11-11T17:22:09 < englishman> lol 2017-11-11T17:25:26 < dongs> hmm 2017-11-11T17:25:27 < dongs> taht site is fucked 2017-11-11T17:25:32 < dongs> i cant decrypt anything 2017-11-11T17:26:21 < karlp> man, somehow chrome is beavhing as if my keyboard is in us layout. 2017-11-11T17:26:31 < karlp> everything else except chrome is normal. 2017-11-11T17:27:28 < englishman> worksonmymachine 2017-11-11T17:28:25 < karlp> for me until today 2017-11-11T17:29:07 < karlp> fuck , firefox too 2017-11-11T17:29:11 < karlp> what . the. hell 2017-11-11T17:29:14 < dongs> windows? 2017-11-11T17:29:20 < dongs> win-r>ctfmon.exe 2017-11-11T17:29:51 < englishman> capture the flag monitor 2017-11-11T17:31:52 < fenugrec> dekar aah your implementation can't do multiple sources / sinks, correct ? 2017-11-11T17:35:41 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-11T17:39:06 < englishman> cool, $18b in sales on alibaba/aliexpress today 2017-11-11T17:48:59 < dongs> for 11/11? 2017-11-11T18:01:37 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p54926524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T18:01:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:02:20 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p54926524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:04:17 < karlp> englishman: those figures were just on the 4pm news here 2017-11-11T18:05:42 < karlp> reestart computer, keyboard layout back to normal. 2017-11-11T18:05:57 < karlp> presumably stella managed to mash keys enough on something while it was locked. 2017-11-11T18:06:05 -!- brabo [~brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-11T18:17:18 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:ecea:2f3d:ac60:9c21] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-11T18:26:24 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a80d:4fc5:56c6:91f3] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:27:13 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:27:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T18:36:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:46:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:46:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:46:51 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T18:47:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T18:47:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T18:48:21 < Cracki_> they sell usb 2.0 ports with blue plastic... 2017-11-11T18:49:53 < karlp> well of course they do. 2017-11-11T19:00:04 < ReadErr> any good faget spinner sales going on still? 2017-11-11T19:08:04 < Steffanx> Have no spinner app on your iWatch? 2017-11-11T19:08:05 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/jZOqGcV.jpg 2017-11-11T19:08:23 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-11T19:09:14 < karlp> russian border? 2017-11-11T19:09:20 < karlp> finnish ? 2017-11-11T19:28:26 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-11T19:41:38 < englishman> dongs: yeah, from the chinese anti-valentines day 2017-11-11T19:42:41 < englishman> ReadErr: you should purchase a smith & wesson 500 2017-11-11T19:42:47 < englishman> the original fidget spinner 2017-11-11T19:42:48 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T19:43:04 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oc3wM1MZ0w 2017-11-11T19:43:48 < englishman> wow i have a really similar cat condo 2017-11-11T19:49:30 < Thorn> assembling my first stm8 board. I blame englishman 2017-11-11T19:50:34 < englishman> nice 2017-11-11T19:50:35 < englishman> congrats 2017-11-11T19:51:38 < Thorn> the cat tree costs $135 2017-11-11T19:52:30 < englishman> yes thats about what i paid 2017-11-11T19:52:35 < englishman> worth every shekel 2017-11-11T20:17:09 < ReadErr> ne new terry D 2017-11-11T20:18:14 < Steffanx> lol are you talking the truth and the truth only englishman?! 2017-11-11T20:25:43 < ReadErr> http://www.templeos.org/Videos/FirstMate.mp4 2017-11-11T20:25:53 < ReadErr> lil TD update 2017-11-11T20:44:07 < dekar> fenugrec, correct, that's a limitation. 2017-11-11T20:44:59 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2017-11-11T20:47:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T20:53:18 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T20:54:09 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T21:03:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-11T21:10:20 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T21:16:14 < Laurenceb_> >go to emdrive reddit 2017-11-11T21:16:34 < Laurenceb_> >There is no harm is seeking help today, find a local therapist 2017-11-11T21:16:39 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p54926524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T21:17:34 < BrainDamage> that's not as ironic as the bitcoin reddits giving links for psychological and depression links during the bubble collapses 2017-11-11T21:19:47 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, in the end i bought one 3 times more expensive than the A8 :P 2017-11-11T21:25:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T21:29:08 < ReadErr> englishman: 2017-11-11T21:29:14 < ReadErr> where teh deals at 2017-11-11T21:43:56 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: which one? 2017-11-11T21:49:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T21:53:42 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a80d:4fc5:56c6:91f3] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-11T21:54:09 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T22:04:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-11T22:20:23 < Steffanx> Cr-10 PaulFertser 2017-11-11T22:21:19 < Steffanx> N 2017-11-11T22:21:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-27J0sR9268 2017-11-11T22:21:54 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2017-11-11T22:21:59 < zyp> Steffanx, how much did you pay? 2017-11-11T22:22:25 < Steffanx> 40e more than 1 day after i bought it :P 2017-11-11T22:22:33 < Steffanx> 340euro ish 2017-11-11T22:22:55 < zyp> I haven't been following the conversation, did you get it yet? 2017-11-11T22:23:00 < Steffanx> Yes 2017-11-11T22:23:08 < zyp> happy with it? 2017-11-11T22:23:15 < Steffanx> So far? Yeah 2017-11-11T22:23:34 < zyp> printing anything fun? 2017-11-11T22:24:05 < Steffanx> Controller needs a fan upgrade, because its terribly noisy. 2017-11-11T22:24:24 < Steffanx> Not yet. Just some basic cable management stuff for the printer itself 2017-11-11T22:25:22 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@95.88.244.131] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2017-11-11T22:25:38 < Steffanx> And still in the process of getting the first layer to stick properly 2017-11-11T22:26:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: so sturdy alu frame and bowden extruder out of the box? Looks pretty cool 2017-11-11T22:26:22 < Steffanx> Probably just a combination between the glass and the nozzle distance 2017-11-11T22:26:28 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: what bed surface does it come with? 2017-11-11T22:26:34 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no autolevel? 2017-11-11T22:26:46 < Steffanx> No auto level out of the box 2017-11-11T22:26:55 -!- dongs [~dongs@bcas.tv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-11T22:27:58 -!- dongs [~dongs@bcas.tv] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T22:28:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'm using 0.1mm metal shim from a set to control motor valve clearance. 2017-11-11T22:28:40 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I also found that the cheapest "strong" hairspray from auchan works good enough on glass. 2017-11-11T22:29:43 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: the bed is just some aluminuimish pcb that says cr-10 2017-11-11T22:29:53 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: how long does it take to heat up to 110C? 2017-11-11T22:30:08 < Steffanx> With those fancy paper clipper to attach to glass 2017-11-11T22:30:12 < Steffanx> Bed temp? 2017-11-11T22:31:05 < Steffanx> 60 takes quite a few minutes, too long imho PaulFertser 2017-11-11T22:31:50 < Steffanx> So for now i just enable the ple preheat in the menu and prepare the print on my pc 2017-11-11T22:31:57 < Steffanx> Pla* 2017-11-11T22:32:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: yes, bed temp. I'm using 110C to print ABS. Takes some 10 minutes probably but I've heat insulated it a bit. 2017-11-11T22:34:41 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: im not even sure it will even reach 110c. When i tried 60 it seemed to struggle with that 2017-11-11T22:35:40 < Steffanx> The dutch PLA manufacturer advices 20-35C so not sure ill really need 60c anyway 2017-11-11T22:36:38 < zyp> I don't even have a heated bed 2017-11-11T22:37:12 < zyp> then again, I tend to get curling in the corners :p, so I'm not saying it's not required :p 2017-11-11T22:37:51 < PaulFertser> Heated bed allows to print without bothering much about preparing the surface though. And with abs the parts grab to it relatively nice while it's heated and then you just take them off (no drag at all) after they cool. 2017-11-11T22:42:59 < Steffanx> I wont use ABS anytime soon. The smell of the PLA that came with the printer was terrible enough 2017-11-11T22:43:19 < Steffanx> New dutch PLA's smell isnt as bad 2017-11-11T22:43:32 < PaulFertser> It seems you just go to another room and the smell is not noticeable. 2017-11-11T22:44:55 < Steffanx> Hah yes, but.. that wont work atm 2017-11-11T22:45:53 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-11T22:46:06 < zyp> I prefer PETG 2017-11-11T22:46:34 < Steffanx> Bought some of that too, but for some reason started with pla 2017-11-11T22:46:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-11T22:46:40 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T22:47:03 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T22:47:13 < zyp> only problem with PETG is that it's more runny, doesn't perform as well on overhangs 2017-11-11T22:47:45 < PaulFertser> I wonder how much strings you'd get with PETG on https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:909901 2017-11-11T22:49:46 < zyp> probably a bunch 2017-11-11T22:49:53 < zyp> want me to do a test? 2017-11-11T22:51:07 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/OuJLTOJ 2017-11-11T22:52:35 < zyp> ok, started the print 2017-11-11T22:56:41 < PaulFertser> For abs I came to the conclusion that I either need to go down to 220C or to enable cooling, or it's too leaky. But that doesn't work for normal prints. I also noticed that "external perimeters first" should be disabled for this test. 2017-11-11T22:57:33 < zyp> okay, I have external perimeters first enabled 2017-11-11T22:57:42 < zyp> printing PETG at 240C 2017-11-11T22:58:00 < PaulFertser> We'll see. I do not have means to take photos atm but I'll share tomorrow. 2017-11-11T22:58:21 < karlp> lolreence, gonna change liquor laws a fair bit, and speak to the enforcement people first 2017-11-11T23:00:57 < zyp> heh, it's already stringing a lot 2017-11-11T23:03:24 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/LQIhW.JPG 2017-11-11T23:05:32 < PaulFertser> Heh. What speed is that btw? 2017-11-11T23:06:22 < zyp> uh, good question 2017-11-11T23:07:08 < zyp> base speed is 60 mm/s, but I'm not sure if that applies 2017-11-11T23:07:32 < zyp> slicer is set to 130mm/s for travel moves, but I don't think firmware allows that much 2017-11-11T23:08:40 < zyp> ok, done 2017-11-11T23:08:42 < bvernoux> does anyone have good links for a good XYZ Table ? 2017-11-11T23:09:06 < bvernoux> maybe hacking a 3D printer could do the trick too ... 2017-11-11T23:09:40 < PaulFertser> I have about the same and those cones print for ~8 mins. Ok then, let's see tomorrow how the extremely cheap a8 compares. 2017-11-11T23:11:17 < zyp> this took 17 minutes with heating 2017-11-11T23:11:59 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/vqLe9.JPG https://bin.jvnv.net/file/r0YM6.JPG 2017-11-11T23:12:01 < PaulFertser> Hm, I didn't take heating into account. Extruder goes to target temp in a minute or two. 2017-11-11T23:12:22 < Steffanx> Im printing it as well, for fun. 2017-11-11T23:12:36 < Steffanx> will take 10 minutes according to Cura 2017-11-11T23:13:39 < zyp> Steffanx, how many benchys have you printed yet? 2017-11-11T23:13:41 < PaulFertser> zyp: those big "extensions" are probably due to external perimeters last in your test. 2017-11-11T23:13:56 < PaulFertser> I'm using slic3r btw. 2017-11-11T23:13:59 < zyp> same 2017-11-11T23:14:04 < Steffanx> 0 zyp 2017-11-11T23:14:11 < zyp> heh 2017-11-11T23:14:34 < Steffanx> will do tomorrow 2017-11-11T23:14:55 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T23:15:03 < zyp> I have quite a few, I printed those when dialing in the settings 2017-11-11T23:15:11 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/CBxcX.jpg <- here was my first attempt :p 2017-11-11T23:15:57 < zyp> (I fucked up the filament width setting, so it thought it were printing with 3mm filament, I use 1.75mm) 2017-11-11T23:20:37 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/2IYDV.mpg <- and this is always fun 2017-11-11T23:21:20 < Laurenceb_> falling for 3d printer meme 2017-11-11T23:21:52 < Laurenceb_> if you want something decent you can pay to have it built by pros for decent prices 2017-11-11T23:22:06 < zyp> have what built? 2017-11-11T23:22:57 < englishman> ReadErr: ? 2017-11-11T23:23:56 < Laurenceb_> plastic shit 2017-11-11T23:24:49 < qyx> zyp: should the strings be there or not? 2017-11-11T23:24:53 < zyp> not 2017-11-11T23:24:54 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/0Ktq5 can't really complain about the stringing i guess. Only the last few rounds are awful. 2017-11-11T23:24:59 < qyx> ha 2017-11-11T23:26:39 -!- Activate_ [025e372a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.42] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-11T23:27:03 < zyp> Laurenceb_, I think you're missing the point 2017-11-11T23:28:41 < Steffanx> What slicer does zyp use? 2017-11-11T23:28:46 < Steffanx> oh slic3r 2017-11-11T23:28:49 < Steffanx> you just said that 2017-11-11T23:29:08 < zyp> for me a 3d printer means that when I'm thinking «hmm, I should get an enclosure for this orange pi zero shit», google it, find https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1904872 and an hour later or so I have this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/7cInk.jpg 2017-11-11T23:30:24 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/POGzywb 2017-11-11T23:30:35 < Laurenceb_> the memes are real 2017-11-11T23:30:50 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: can't beat zyp's logic so he has to post crap. 2017-11-11T23:30:59 < Laurenceb_> accurate 2017-11-11T23:31:25 < Laurenceb_> >enclosure for orange pi zero 2017-11-11T23:34:43 < zyp> I've printed some other enclosures as well, but the opi zero was the most recent one 2017-11-11T23:50:32 < dfgg> i bought mine opizero with case and add'l board... ofc no fun but anyway i have no printer ,_, 2017-11-11T23:51:26 < zyp> yeah, I have one of those too 2017-11-11T23:51:31 < zyp> this one is a zero+ 2017-11-11T23:57:37 < Cracki_> as for 3d part construction, sometimes I'm bored and can be persuaded to do that 2017-11-11T23:58:06 < Cracki_> thingiverse has a fair share of shit --- Day changed Sun Nov 12 2017 2017-11-12T00:03:59 < zyp> like every other site with community created content 2017-11-12T00:06:46 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-12T00:07:02 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T00:14:44 -!- brabo [~brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T00:40:27 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-12T00:42:12 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T00:52:38 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-c6e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-12T01:11:44 -!- Activate_ [025e372a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-12T01:12:02 < jadew> anyone else using elecrow? 2017-11-12T01:12:19 < jadew> is it just me or is the solder mask shit? 2017-11-12T01:12:34 < jadew> as in, non-uniform 2017-11-12T01:18:16 < jadew> seeed seems to make nicer boards, but their lead free version makes the board 300% more expensive 2017-11-12T01:21:22 < jadew> and they still haven't fixed thier ordering shit 2017-11-12T01:21:28 < jadew> 10 boards = $12 2017-11-12T01:21:33 < jadew> 20 boards = $32 2017-11-12T01:22:30 < jadew> HASL, 10 boards = $5, 15 boards = $21 2017-11-12T01:22:54 < jadew> it's like they have so much business they don't even care that their site is shit 2017-11-12T01:23:54 < jadew> even when you select 100 boards, you still get a worse deal than if you bought 10 boards, 10 times 2017-11-12T01:24:18 < jadew> same for 200 2017-11-12T01:25:53 < englishman> why are you using them then 2017-11-12T01:26:07 < englishman> there are over9000 other bottom dollar pcb sites 2017-11-12T01:26:38 < jadew> I know the quality seeed has 2017-11-12T01:26:46 < jadew> it's not the best, but it's better than what I got from elecrow 2017-11-12T01:27:29 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T01:27:49 < stvn> Good morning steffan 2017-11-12T01:29:36 < Cracki_> oshpark, dirtypcb? 2017-11-12T01:29:47 < Cracki_> how does oshpark compare to seeed? 2017-11-12T01:30:42 < jadew> better quality, but I don't think they're competitive in price for larger boards 2017-11-12T01:31:04 < jadew> and they can't make what I want anyway 2017-11-12T01:31:12 < jadew> they only do 1.6mm boards 2017-11-12T01:32:44 < englishman> oshpark is ok quality except for layer registration 2017-11-12T01:32:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-104-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T01:32:54 < englishman> but doesnt compare to shit chinapcb for price 2017-11-12T01:33:02 < Cracki_> hah of course not 2017-11-12T01:33:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-112-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T01:33:18 < englishman> still its just somewhat better quality prototype boards 2017-11-12T01:33:21 < Cracki_> so what if you need better layer reg than oshpark can do? 2017-11-12T01:33:31 < englishman> go to a real pcb place 2017-11-12T01:33:35 < sync> use a real place 2017-11-12T01:33:37 < sync> yes 2017-11-12T01:33:40 < englishman> ^ 2017-11-12T01:33:57 < sync> würth is ok, but not exactly cheap 2017-11-12T01:33:58 < Cracki_> which fairy can make oshpark into a real place? 2017-11-12T01:34:01 < Cracki_> ic 2017-11-12T01:34:12 < englishman> depends on who you go to 2017-11-12T01:35:50 < Cracki_> anything cheaper than dirtypcb? 2017-11-12T01:36:03 < englishman> allpcb 2017-11-12T01:36:06 < englishman> slightly 2017-11-12T01:36:11 < englishman> wont get much cheaper than tha ttho 2017-11-12T01:36:22 < englishman> its already pretty cheap dude 2017-11-12T01:38:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm starting to wish I had made a PCB for the christmas lights. 2017-11-12T01:38:36 < Jak_o_Shadows> 8 more protoboards, with 8 components each, and a handful of tracks 2017-11-12T01:38:45 < Cracki_> good good 2017-11-12T01:39:02 < Cracki_> oh looky, allpcb has assembly 2017-11-12T01:43:02 < Cracki_> wow they're cheap 2017-11-12T01:43:15 < Cracki_> 100x100mm 10pcs still 5 usd 2017-11-12T01:45:57 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-12T01:49:48 < Cracki_> I guess that's the ultra-mainstream option. deviations quickly cost more. dirtypcbs can't seem to match this price dumping option 2017-11-12T01:51:27 < Cracki_> pcbway ~= allpcb, it seems 2017-11-12T02:06:15 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T02:07:21 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T02:07:29 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T02:07:46 < kOStiX> hey guys, why could it be that, say i have running 3 timer interrupts on an stm32f407, and suddenly randomly while using the application, it happens that the highest priority interrupt keeps running, but everything else seems to stop executing, no lower interrupts and neither the main while loop gets time 2017-11-12T02:07:53 < kOStiX> it happens randomly 2017-11-12T02:08:18 < kOStiX> any ideas? 2017-11-12T02:13:26 < Cracki_> how can you debug that 2017-11-12T02:13:39 < Cracki_> does the interrupt always return 2017-11-12T02:13:41 < kOStiX> its what im wondering 2017-11-12T02:13:47 < Cracki_> could the code be corrupted at runtime 2017-11-12T02:13:49 < kOStiX> usually everything runs fine 2017-11-12T02:13:55 < Cracki_> can you do instruction tracing 2017-11-12T02:13:55 < kOStiX> everything gets processing time 2017-11-12T02:14:03 < Cracki_> what kind of tracing can you do 2017-11-12T02:14:19 < Cracki_> can you singlestep, can you break into this deadlocked state? 2017-11-12T02:14:43 < Cracki_> are there interrupt flags that need clearing 2017-11-12T02:14:46 < kOStiX> to tellyou the truth i havent used much of tracing 2017-11-12T02:14:52 < kOStiX> flags are cleared 2017-11-12T02:15:06 < Cracki_> break execution, singlestep for a bit 2017-11-12T02:15:09 < kOStiX> as i say its kinda random, might now happen, then suddenly does 2017-11-12T02:15:17 < Cracki_> when it does, break 2017-11-12T02:15:18 < kOStiX> so its really hard to catch it 2017-11-12T02:15:29 < Cracki_> keep a debugger attached 2017-11-12T02:15:47 < kOStiX> yeah, im running it with stlink 2017-11-12T02:16:43 < Cracki_> they really shouldn't have named it so close to "stink" 2017-11-12T02:16:55 < kOStiX> hahah 2017-11-12T02:17:04 < kOStiX> well its what i got at hand hehe cheap one 2017-11-12T02:17:27 < Cracki_> just in a punny mood, no reason to bash it 2017-11-12T02:17:29 < Laurenceb_> finding inemo 2017-11-12T02:18:46 < kOStiX> heheh 2017-11-12T02:18:50 < stvn> u wot mate 2017-11-12T02:22:03 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T02:22:22 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PZ3HHbkqRI 2017-11-12T02:26:05 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDxBJ_IaO8s 2017-11-12T02:26:46 < Cracki_> anzönden 2017-11-12T02:26:59 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T02:30:41 < Laurenceb_> >Trolling this guy is not much of an accomplishment, that's like beating France in a war. 2017-11-12T02:31:02 < Cracki_> baguette vs crowbar which would win 2017-11-12T02:31:15 < stvn> the autistic taste 2017-11-12T02:31:41 < Cracki_> https://outline-prod.imgix.net/20170424-4O1GHDF3vyAAcQfG8B1r 2017-11-12T02:32:01 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T02:35:43 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T02:48:12 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T02:54:16 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2017-11-12T02:54:38 < kakimir> f18 showering down mechanical wasps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NGgHyfPGU0 2017-11-12T02:54:49 < kakimir> *swarms of 2017-11-12T02:59:56 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T03:00:43 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkMhFBfjQ5A 2017-11-12T03:00:55 < Laurenceb_> >1 hour 2017-11-12T03:02:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hY17VIpoeg Guard Commander Inspection 2017-11-12T03:02:43 < kakimir> that is impressive 2017-11-12T03:05:41 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-12T03:08:26 < Cracki_> if these drones ever collide... 2017-11-12T03:09:13 < kakimir> you think those drones fly in swarms without any cordination? 2017-11-12T03:09:50 < kakimir> but anyway those are meant to be disosable bulk 2017-11-12T03:09:52 < Cracki_> maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if they only knew their individual targets 2017-11-12T03:10:01 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T03:10:31 < Cracki_> not sure these critters sense each other with radar... 2017-11-12T03:11:06 < Cracki_> if the absolute position data is precise enough, they could coordinate... 2017-11-12T03:11:24 < Cracki_> eh, since they're military, they probably have the keys to full resolution GPS 2017-11-12T03:11:36 < kakimir> no way they use absolute data 2017-11-12T03:11:42 < Cracki_> GPS + IMU 2017-11-12T03:11:44 < Cracki_> as always 2017-11-12T03:12:57 < Laurenceb_> >this is where my tax money is going? 2017-11-12T03:13:03 < Laurenceb_> youtube commentsdeliver 2017-11-12T03:15:03 < Laurenceb_> I see lots of dead drones 2017-11-12T03:15:07 < Laurenceb_> they light up red 2017-11-12T03:16:09 < Cracki_> saw one so far 2017-11-12T03:16:28 < Cracki_> the green ones do look unorderly when swarming towards their target points 2017-11-12T03:17:08 < Cracki_> guess that's to be expected for winged critters, as opposed to quadrotors and such 2017-11-12T03:17:19 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if they have no collision avoidance at all 2017-11-12T03:17:35 < Laurenceb_> theres lots of space up there and quite a few seem to die 2017-11-12T03:18:06 < Cracki_> if they're smart, they run on something like a time-divided channel 2017-11-12T03:18:29 < Cracki_> each pings its location, gathers all the others, does local decisions 2017-11-12T03:18:39 < Laurenceb_> hard to make it accurate enough 2017-11-12T03:18:44 < Cracki_> good enough 2017-11-12T03:18:46 < Laurenceb_> they seem to be <5maway from each other 2017-11-12T03:18:56 < Laurenceb_> might be doable with ir beacons and a camera 2017-11-12T03:18:59 < Cracki_> they're winged critters, theyre not as agile anyway 2017-11-12T03:19:08 < Laurenceb_> each one doesnt need 360degree vision 2017-11-12T03:19:13 < Cracki_> GPS+IMU can be quite good 2017-11-12T03:19:49 < Cracki_> I wonder how the intel drones for some football events did their swarming 2017-11-12T03:20:03 < Cracki_> they prolly deployed a radio-based local positioning system 2017-11-12T03:20:26 < Cracki_> anything based on optics is too fragile 2017-11-12T03:20:53 < Cracki_> cameras, except for fixed groundbased setups, is too expensive computaitonally 2017-11-12T03:37:27 < Cracki_> some academics tried positioning using camera and AR markers... 2017-11-12T03:37:53 < Cracki_> camera angle tended to be shit, resolution shit too, so the operating range was narrow 2017-11-12T03:38:39 < Cracki_> it was good for landing maneuvers though, very accurate positioning 2017-11-12T03:50:03 < kOStiX> so, how do i define different callback functions for 2 timers, both triggering interrupts at update event? the interrupt handler function calls the same callback defined for the update event 2017-11-12T03:52:19 < kOStiX> or i have to check for what source its coming from within the update event callback? 2017-11-12T03:54:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> (sorry to interrupt) My external |LSE is not working - code is correct, it works on a differetn board. oscope shows that it's pretty wrong - no signal really (but it does have a voltage). Can I use the HSE with accuracy? Or is the issue that with a 20 bit prescaler, I can't scale enogh? 2017-11-12T03:54:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> ./how can I fix the LSE? 2017-11-12T04:00:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-12T04:00:43 < kOStiX> maybe its expecting the oscillator on other pins? 2017-11-12T04:05:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T04:06:57 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-12T04:07:35 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T04:10:22 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T04:13:35 < dongs> LSE only goes t o PC13/14 or wahtever 2017-11-12T04:13:38 < dongs> there is no other place 2017-11-12T04:17:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T04:24:37 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-12T04:31:03 < kOStiX> ah 2017-11-12T04:35:31 -!- enh [~enhering@191.34.183.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T04:35:35 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T04:40:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> + I have not touched that. and without looking too closely, it seems abou right 2017-11-12T04:41:05 < dongs> englishman: my pal ordered hot pink A1 on 11/11 sale 2017-11-12T04:42:27 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T04:47:23 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:c50e:55d0:8c63:120d] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T04:50:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-12T05:02:28 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:c50e:55d0:8c63:120d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T05:06:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T05:07:39 -!- enh [~enhering@191.34.183.224] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T05:22:28 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T05:22:56 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@2002:5cc1:4fb7:0:8446:357:79d:726a] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T05:23:36 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-12T05:25:52 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-112-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T05:28:00 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T05:28:20 < englishman> dongs: nice, how much 2017-11-12T05:28:22 < englishman> i like it 2017-11-12T05:28:50 < englishman> some shit i have been following on amadongs has gone up 30-40% in preparation for black friday 2017-11-12T05:29:07 < englishman> when is black friday even 2017-11-12T05:29:11 < englishman> next month? 2017-11-12T05:29:20 < dongs> 1st friday after thanksgiving 2017-11-12T05:29:22 < dongs> i think 2017-11-12T05:29:24 < dongs> no idea what ady it is 2017-11-12T05:29:25 < dongs> day 2017-11-12T05:29:30 < englishman> thats nto helpful 2017-11-12T05:30:12 < dongs> Friday, November 24 2017-11-12T05:30:12 < dongs> Black Friday 2017 2017-11-12T05:30:16 < dongs> according to google 2017-11-12T05:30:54 < englishman> great, wont be buying anything for at least a month then 2017-11-12T05:31:26 < englishman> so how much was the phone 2017-11-12T05:31:30 < englishman> pink is hard to find 2017-11-12T05:33:14 < englishman> found it, mine was $236 including dhl 2017-11-12T05:33:52 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T05:35:50 < englishman> this phone takes 5000x better photos than samdongs s5 2017-11-12T05:44:57 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-12T06:13:13 < dongs> 200 2017-11-12T06:13:17 < dongs> yes about same 2017-11-12T06:17:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> I ended up switching the RTC to the HSE. Using a prescaler of 0xF3CD Which is pretty close to 1s. 2017-11-12T06:17:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> we'll see how ti goes. 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do you have a hammer 2017-11-12T12:25:52 < ReadErr> we can fix that 2017-11-12T12:26:35 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNaaFw51O0 2017-11-12T12:26:41 < ReadErr> here is an ARM tutorial 2017-11-12T12:26:47 < ReadErr> which is relevant 2017-11-12T12:32:23 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T12:41:32 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T12:45:21 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T12:46:16 -!- fbu [~fbu@pl45321.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T12:46:31 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T12:50:07 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T12:51:33 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-12T13:09:40 -!- ski7777 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ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T14:13:16 < Steffanx> time to hire englishman to do it for you invzim 2017-11-12T14:13:21 < Steffanx> Get ##stm32 discount 2017-11-12T14:15:37 < invzim> 126 caps/resistors 2017-11-12T14:16:08 < invzim> annoying part is that most of the caps are probably 'cover-your-ass' specfified by the manufacturer 2017-11-12T14:21:19 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T14:23:46 < zyp> 100nF ones? 2017-11-12T14:23:55 < zyp> you're allowed to use your head when designing the board 2017-11-12T14:24:42 < zyp> the goal of those is not to have enough to reach a given capacitance, the goal is to have one close to each supply pins 2017-11-12T14:31:57 < invzim> yup, a load of supply pins.. :) 2017-11-12T14:40:54 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T14:57:18 -!- Laurenceb_ 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2017-11-12T16:07:22 < dongs> I understand you some interest in the ST products based on your historical downloads from ST. 2017-11-12T16:07:25 < dongs> Can you kindly confirm where you are located and tell me a little bit about your program? 2017-11-12T16:07:36 < dongs> just got this spam 2017-11-12T16:22:18 < sync> wut 2017-11-12T16:28:21 < dongs> ya 2017-11-12T16:28:41 < dongs> followed by a list of ST cube garbage iver donwnloaded voer the years 2017-11-12T16:32:13 < sync> lel 2017-11-12T16:32:17 < sync> what a bunch of cunts 2017-11-12T16:45:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-12T16:45:22 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T16:52:09 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T16:52:24 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-12T16:58:20 < kakimir> musictimes: beck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I1B4n_8Cto 2017-11-12T16:58:32 < kakimir> has a bit of that french house sound 2017-11-12T17:04:09 < ReadErr> 8:32 AM <+qto> what is up with that guy 2017-11-12T17:04:09 < ReadErr> 8:33 AM <+qto> laurenceb 2017-11-12T17:04:09 < ReadErr> 8:33 AM <+qto> srsly 2017-11-12T17:04:09 < ReadErr> 8:33 AM <+qto> what 2017-11-12T17:04:09 < ReadErr> 8:33 AM <+qto> in 2017-11-12T17:04:10 < ReadErr> 8:33 AM <+qto> the 2017-11-12T17:05:36 < kakimir> cuckism 2017-11-12T17:14:20 < Steffanx> #pumper ReadErr? 2017-11-12T17:14:33 < ReadErr> ascii lol 2017-11-12T17:16:31 < dongs> err, qto? 2017-11-12T17:16:37 < dongs> isnt that old faggot from win32asm 2017-11-12T17:16:44 < dongs> or some fag poser 2017-11-12T17:16:55 < tpw_rules> stop saying mean things about me 2017-11-12T17:17:21 < kakimir> how do I migrate from HDD to smaller SSD 2017-11-12T17:17:30 < kakimir> without vendor tool available 2017-11-12T17:17:33 < kakimir> from running system 2017-11-12T17:17:38 < tpw_rules> gparted 2017-11-12T17:17:39 < kakimir> prefferably 2017-11-12T17:18:21 < dongs> haha waht 2017-11-12T17:18:28 < dongs> just install windows on SSD 2017-11-12T17:18:30 < dongs> and copy your shit over 2017-11-12T17:18:34 < dongs> clean isntall > migration anyway 2017-11-12T17:18:40 < kakimir> no way pumpdong 2017-11-12T17:19:04 < kakimir> I have done compeletelly successful migrations with vendor tool 2017-11-12T17:19:09 < kakimir> no sweat 2017-11-12T17:19:20 < dongs> i mean, i buy new ssd every year or so just to reinstall windows 2017-11-12T17:19:25 < tpw_rules> yeah but they're still dumb 2017-11-12T17:19:27 < dongs> you haev no fucking idea what youer missing 2017-11-12T17:19:28 < tpw_rules> anyway use gparted 2017-11-12T17:19:42 < dongs> does "g" in gparted stand for "gay"? 2017-11-12T17:19:45 < kakimir> when your system is up to date and has not been shitted there is no need 2017-11-12T17:19:51 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b435007.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2017-11-12T17:19:51 < tpw_rules> dongs: yes 2017-11-12T17:19:57 < tpw_rules> that's what makes it good 2017-11-12T17:20:00 < dongs> god damn lunix queers 2017-11-12T17:20:01 < kakimir> I need to just resize my ntfs partitions 2017-11-12T17:20:08 < kakimir> then I can use cloning tool 2017-11-12T17:20:17 < tpw_rules> what part of gparted don't you understand 2017-11-12T17:20:38 < kakimir> is there more to it than just resize them with it? 2017-11-12T17:20:45 < kakimir> does it fuck up windows? 2017-11-12T17:20:46 < tpw_rules> no 2017-11-12T17:20:47 < tpw_rules> no 2017-11-12T17:21:05 < tpw_rules> well a) make a liveusb of that and boot into it, b) be sure to do a full shutdown of windows 2017-11-12T17:21:06 < kakimir> even when there is multiple partitions that size and place will be manipulated? 2017-11-12T17:21:11 < tpw_rules> no 2017-11-12T17:21:17 < kakimir> nice 2017-11-12T17:21:29 < tpw_rules> i mean i'm not responsible if it linuxes your shit and you should always have appropriate backups. but i've used it dozens of times 2017-11-12T17:22:09 < kakimir> there is no files to backup 2017-11-12T17:22:14 < kakimir> it just plain system 2017-11-12T17:22:17 < tpw_rules> then why are you migrating 2017-11-12T17:22:23 < tpw_rules> what would compel you to do that 2017-11-12T17:22:31 < kakimir> because fuck updating for 5hours 2017-11-12T17:22:44 < tpw_rules> https://gparted.org/ 2017-11-12T17:22:50 < kakimir> thanku 2017-11-12T17:23:06 < tpw_rules> oh yeah you'll prolly have to fuck with windows boot in order to make it happy on a new drive 2017-11-12T17:23:15 < dongs> 5 fucking hours? 2017-11-12T17:23:16 < dongs> what hthe ell 2017-11-12T17:23:23 < dongs> it takes 30 mins to instasll windows and all the apps i use 2017-11-12T17:23:27 < dongs> what garbage do you load on your system 2017-11-12T17:23:35 < kakimir> 30mins to install windows? 2017-11-12T17:23:41 < dongs> windows takes like 120 2017-11-12T17:23:42 < dongs> er 10 2017-11-12T17:23:43 < kakimir> and apps? 2017-11-12T17:23:55 < kakimir> 10minutes? 2017-11-12T17:24:01 < dongs> yes? 2017-11-12T17:24:05 < dongs> have you installed windows 10 lately 2017-11-12T17:24:06 < kakimir> waa 2017-11-12T17:24:07 < dongs> on a modern system? 2017-11-12T17:24:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T17:24:22 < kakimir> I have reasonable computing power 2017-11-12T17:24:28 < dongs> i installed 1709 on my fagbookpro like few weeks ago 2017-11-12T17:24:29 < kakimir> not a gaming machine 2017-11-12T17:24:32 < dongs> it took surely 10mins or less 2017-11-12T17:24:45 < tpw_rules> 1709 fucked me 2017-11-12T17:24:47 < tpw_rules> it ruined my compooter 2017-11-12T17:24:54 < kakimir> 1709 is sweet 2017-11-12T17:25:03 < tpw_rules> of course, i do have a microsoft surface 2017-11-12T17:25:04 < kakimir> everything works better than ever 2017-11-12T17:25:06 < tpw_rules> figures they wouldn't test on that 2017-11-12T17:25:12 < tpw_rules> it bluescreened within a day 2017-11-12T17:25:20 < tpw_rules> first bluescreen i've had in years 2017-11-12T17:25:56 < kakimir> tpw_rules: what about windows MBR? if I just clone the disk then I need to boot windows and run commands to install MBR to new drive? 2017-11-12T17:26:12 < tpw_rules> i mean everything's gpt now 2017-11-12T17:26:20 < dongs> MBR what? 2017-11-12T17:26:26 < dongs> boot wiht uefi/secureboot 2017-11-12T17:26:26 < tpw_rules> but you'll want to get the efi partition and also update the BCD 2017-11-12T17:26:39 < Steffanx> I've had excellent experience with Macrium Reflect on windows, kakimir 2017-11-12T17:26:56 < Steffanx> for free 2017-11-12T17:26:58 < kakimir> I have that 2017-11-12T17:27:02 < kakimir> I plan to use that 2017-11-12T17:27:07 < kakimir> it just can't resize 2017-11-12T17:27:13 < kakimir> running system 2017-11-12T17:27:17 < tpw_rules> well gparted can resize without upsetting windows 2017-11-12T17:27:21 < tpw_rules> also what do you mean "running system" 2017-11-12T17:27:22 < kakimir> even when cloning 2017-11-12T17:27:42 < kakimir> when you mess with actual system that is booted 2017-11-12T17:27:46 < dongs> if youre still using MBR in 2017, time to just do a clean install wiht uefi+secureboot 2017-11-12T17:27:51 < tpw_rules> what 2017-11-12T17:27:52 < englishman> ^ 2017-11-12T17:27:58 < tpw_rules> kakimir: are you high 2017-11-12T17:28:11 < tpw_rules> no system ever can resize a partition while it's mounted and being used 2017-11-12T17:28:27 < kakimir> that is what I meant 2017-11-12T17:28:34 < kakimir> you think me stupid? 2017-11-12T17:28:44 < tpw_rules> why on earth would you want to do that 2017-11-12T17:29:33 < tpw_rules> like... what? 2017-11-12T17:29:40 < kakimir> I would want it to resize while cloning 2017-11-12T17:29:44 < kakimir> tool can not do it 2017-11-12T17:29:55 < tpw_rules> ????? 2017-11-12T17:30:14 < kakimir> vendor migration tool is not just able but will do it automatically 2017-11-12T17:30:24 < kakimir> create resized clone 2017-11-12T17:30:37 < tpw_rules> bruh 2017-11-12T17:30:39 < dongs> ur a tool 2017-11-12T17:31:04 < kakimir> ur a dong 2017-11-12T17:31:24 < dongs> guilty as charged 2017-11-12T17:31:50 < tpw_rules> ^' 2017-11-12T17:32:07 < dongs> tpwrules must be french faggot 2017-11-12T17:32:10 < dongs> for having ' next to ^ 2017-11-12T17:32:18 < tpw_rules> no i'm old fashioned american 2017-11-12T17:32:23 < tpw_rules> soon to be german gay 2017-11-12T17:32:26 < dongs> how the fuck do you have those 2 keyts togerer there 2017-11-12T17:32:27 < dongs> thor 2017-11-12T17:32:28 < dongs> wersfghj 2017-11-12T17:32:32 < dongs> i cant evne type so styonesd 2017-11-12T17:32:34 < dongs> time to sleep 2017-11-12T17:32:34 < tpw_rules> cause it's right next to enter 2017-11-12T17:32:38 < dongs> Oh 2017-11-12T17:32:40 < dongs> makes sense 2017-11-12T17:32:50 < kakimir> tpw_rules: you can trigger Laurenceb then 2017-11-12T17:42:58 < ReadErr> lol tpw_rules took the bait 2017-11-12T17:48:10 < ReadErr> tpw_rules: you can resize lvms online 2017-11-12T17:48:21 < ReadErr> do it all the time, going up in size 2017-11-12T17:49:01 < kakimir> I have 2 wireless routers connected with 100 duplex 2017-11-12T17:49:18 < kakimir> how do I create one wifi network of them 2 routers 2017-11-12T17:49:26 < kakimir> so that it is seamless 2017-11-12T17:49:27 < ReadErr> what kind of garbage doesnt have gbit 2017-11-12T17:49:33 < ReadErr> wifi is faster than 100mbit 2017-11-12T17:49:38 < tpw_rules> ReadErr: but you can't do a) ntfs or b) shrink 2017-11-12T17:49:39 < kakimir> sure 2017-11-12T17:49:56 < ReadErr> tpw_rules: ive done windows 2017-11-12T17:50:09 < ReadErr> you just right click and extend 2017-11-12T17:50:15 < tpw_rules> is that shrink 2017-11-12T17:50:21 < kakimir> my other router has 100duplex ports and my media converters are 100duplex 2017-11-12T17:50:29 < ReadErr> you said 'or' 2017-11-12T17:50:53 < tpw_rules> can ntfs be online expanded? 2017-11-12T17:50:58 < ReadErr> yes 2017-11-12T17:51:28 < kakimir> anyways the speed of far reach of the network is not a problem 2017-11-12T17:51:32 < tpw_rules> oh, i wasn't aware 2017-11-12T17:51:39 < kakimir> 100M is more than good at that corner 2017-11-12T17:52:09 < ReadErr> shrinking a disk is dumb, easier to do a filelevel xfer 2017-11-12T17:52:24 < tpw_rules> or just reinstall windows 2017-11-12T17:53:21 < ReadErr> why would i reinstall to the same disk 2017-11-12T17:53:24 < ReadErr> thats dmb 2017-11-12T17:53:33 < tpw_rules> he's trying to shrink a fresh windows install then copy it to another disk 2017-11-12T17:54:28 < kakimir> do not get worked about it 2017-11-12T17:54:47 < kakimir> I know you aer stirring 2017-11-12T17:56:27 < Steffanx> tpw_rules is gonna be german?! 2017-11-12T17:56:35 < tpw_rules> ja 2017-11-12T17:56:57 < Steffanx> wieso? 2017-11-12T17:57:28 < tpw_rules> studying abroad 2017-11-12T17:57:53 < Steffanx> where in Deutschland? 2017-11-12T17:58:04 < tpw_rules> Ulm 2017-11-12T17:58:39 < Steffanx> oh you gonna go octoberfest :P 2017-11-12T18:00:11 < tpw_rules> no i won't be there that time 2017-11-12T18:01:52 < Steffanx> awh 2017-11-12T18:02:25 < tpw_rules> i'm not sure what i'll be there for actually. march through july next year 2017-11-12T18:11:21 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Used to use tehconnection.. 2017-11-12T20:42:40 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-79-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T20:45:46 < invzim> trying awesomehd 2017-11-12T20:57:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKU09mSXAtTllvMW8?usp=sharing 2017-11-12T20:57:39 < kakimir> I have fiber optic cable running thru workshop and storage to room where is direct visibility to LTE tower from window 2017-11-12T20:57:49 < kakimir> 120M at night and 80M at daytime 2017-11-12T20:57:55 < kakimir> so I plan to boost connection in house from 8M adsl with this to 8M adsl + 54M link multiwan 2017-11-12T20:58:16 < kakimir> see what I did to shitty china yagi 2017-11-12T20:58:35 < kakimir> it had loose connection inside active element as they said 2017-11-12T20:58:59 < kakimir> copper was moving loose inside solder droplet 2017-11-12T20:59:18 < kakimir> they see low ohms and out it went 2017-11-12T20:59:46 < kakimir> 50-75% of units are faulty from factory 2017-11-12T21:06:11 < aandrew> I did something simlar when I was dicking aorund with ADSB 2017-11-12T21:06:14 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T21:07:04 < aandrew> removed the shitty PCB shorted stub balun and made a nice coax one. with a really good kitztech LNA at the antenna I had good reception even in shit weather 2017-11-12T21:09:31 < BrainDamage> kakimir: discussing with goatman is a pointless exercise 2017-11-12T21:10:08 < kakimir> I will win 2017-11-12T21:19:57 < kakimir> he is exhausted 2017-11-12T21:20:17 < kakimir> if he won't continue argue tonight I have won 2017-11-12T21:24:20 < jpa-> http://www.gl.littlev.hu/ is this the next ugfx killer? 2017-11-12T21:26:34 < karlp> englishman: did you get the xiaomi A1 in the end? or somethign else? 2017-11-12T21:31:01 < kakimir> interesting 13" laptop: xiaomi mi 2017-11-12T21:31:07 < kakimir> really interesting for it's price 2017-11-12T21:32:24 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T21:38:52 < mtbg> which one? 2017-11-12T21:41:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv3EWrlPLvc 2017-11-12T21:41:21 < kakimir> this 2017-11-12T21:41:28 < kakimir> notebook pro 2017-11-12T21:42:14 < kakimir> bullshit glossy display makes me mad 2017-11-12T21:42:21 < kakimir> why did they ruin it 2017-11-12T21:42:38 < kakimir> also reason why I won't bother with zenbook flip 2017-11-12T21:42:58 < kakimir> greasy fingerprints and mirror image 2017-11-12T21:46:14 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbjLvMISqCw my reaction for glossy display 2017-11-12T21:46:29 < Steffanx> Sand it.. 2017-11-12T21:46:48 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@172.79.111.217] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T21:46:54 < kakimir> yeah but there is still like some excess layer on top of the display 2017-11-12T21:47:09 < kakimir> you can see the display is actually under some sheet 2017-11-12T21:48:55 < karlp> https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/11/12/nanopi-fire2a-fire3-boards-released-with-samsungnexcell-quad-octa-core-processors/ stm32f0 being used as pmic 2017-11-12T21:53:49 < mtbg> seems about appropriate 2017-11-12T21:54:09 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T21:55:18 < mtbg> much more so than additional x86 running minix as a management supervisor that may be useful for something for <1% people that get it 2017-11-12T21:57:43 < zyp> how's driver support for those samsung chips? 2017-11-12T21:58:32 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 2017-11-12T22:31:57 < vampi-the-frog> do they use ARM because it responds better to interrupts? 2017-11-12T22:32:05 < vampi-the-frog> on these small boards? 2017-11-12T22:35:38 < mtbg> who cares about interrupts, when typically people would write bitbanging in python on the very top 2017-11-12T22:35:51 < mtbg> most of the time 2017-11-12T22:42:25 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T22:44:26 < mtbg> the reason probably is, energy efficient and highly integrated socs with arm cores were widely available before alike x86 based ones 2017-11-12T22:44:46 < mtbg> and cheaper 2017-11-12T22:45:31 < mtbg> and even now there is wider choice of them 2017-11-12T22:47:46 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-12T22:54:11 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-79-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-12T22:59:30 < aandrew> jpa-: thanks for that lvgl link 2017-11-12T23:12:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T23:15:04 < ohsix> boobies 2017-11-12T23:15:10 < ohsix> ReadErr: vice principals only doing 2 seasons 2017-11-12T23:16:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T23:21:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T23:21:34 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T23:38:26 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-12T23:39:09 < englishman> karlp: yes mi a1. It's awesome 2017-11-12T23:39:21 < englishman> Probably the best phone I've ever had 2017-11-12T23:39:28 < englishman> And $236 shipped! 2017-11-12T23:39:42 < englishman> And pink!! 2017-11-12T23:40:00 < englishman> Even $1200 iShit doesn't come in pink 2017-11-12T23:40:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T23:42:34 < ohsix> except the ones that did 2017-11-12T23:42:46 < ohsix> the c had a pink one and one or two of the others had a rose-gold kind of one 2017-11-12T23:42:58 < ohsix> don't care / talking shit before i detach, mauhauhau 2017-11-12T23:45:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-12T23:46:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T23:46:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-12T23:52:50 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-12T23:55:44 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Funny-Donald-Trump-Rider-Costume-2017-Newest-Inflatable-Costumes-For-Adults-Women-Men-Halloween-Carnaval-Party/32812682495.html --- Day changed Mon Nov 13 2017 2017-11-13T00:07:56 < Laurenceb_> >adult 2017-11-13T00:08:00 < Laurenceb_> >Donald Trump 2017-11-13T00:08:04 < Laurenceb_> nice try there 2017-11-13T00:13:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-4de1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-13T00:16:42 < Steffanx> englishman: is pink your fav colour? 2017-11-13T00:17:17 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: are you a german 2017-11-13T00:17:32 < Steffanx> No, im from dutchland 2017-11-13T00:17:47 < tpw_rules> which part 2017-11-13T00:17:54 < englishman> its my favourite colour for a phone yes 2017-11-13T00:18:00 < Steffanx> Nothern tpw_rules 2017-11-13T00:18:05 < tpw_rules> oh 2017-11-13T00:18:17 < tpw_rules> does germany have like makerspaces and shit 2017-11-13T00:18:37 < Steffanx> Im pretty sure they have 2017-11-13T00:18:38 < tpw_rules> i'm planning on spending too much money on a merc or something and need someplace to fix it 2017-11-13T00:18:47 < tpw_rules> also friends and shit 2017-11-13T00:19:06 < Laurenceb_> What if alien life were so advanced that its physical manifestation was indistinguishable from Donald J. Trump? 2017-11-13T00:19:19 < kakimir> yes. 2017-11-13T00:19:24 < tpw_rules> that's not very advanced 2017-11-13T00:19:28 < kakimir> or hillary clinton 2017-11-13T00:19:33 < Steffanx> Or Blaxter 2017-11-13T00:19:42 < kakimir> that is most likelly 2017-11-13T00:19:50 < Steffanx> Killing us with unfunny shit 2017-11-13T00:19:57 < kakimir> I think it all the time 2017-11-13T00:20:02 < Laurenceb_> What if the physicis of the physics-alien of our physics-alien was an alien intelligence also? 2017-11-13T00:20:10 < tpw_rules> what if aliens were the blockchain 2017-11-13T00:20:45 < kakimir> most likelly 2017-11-13T00:20:49 < Steffanx> How was your day Laurenceb_ ? 2017-11-13T00:20:59 < Laurenceb_> Alienz 2017-11-13T00:21:04 < tpw_rules> btw my vote: /part 2017-11-13T00:21:17 < Steffanx> Ok ill call Ripley 2017-11-13T00:21:23 < tpw_rules> http://i.imgur.com/eqNYHZ3.png 2017-11-13T00:21:49 < kakimir> I once had a lucid dream when I had nap 2017-11-13T00:22:17 < tpw_rules> are you talking about libertarianism 2017-11-13T00:22:44 < Laurenceb_> top kek 2017-11-13T00:22:52 < kakimir> I was laying down and watched out of window to sky in my blocks appartment 2017-11-13T00:23:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah but who was building the roads? 2017-11-13T00:23:29 < kakimir> suddenly sky went pink - violet and electricity went out 2017-11-13T00:23:44 < kakimir> there was dish above the building 2017-11-13T00:24:09 < tpw_rules> the aliens 2017-11-13T00:24:41 < kakimir> there was noises of stuff falling to floor in one floor up 2017-11-13T00:25:04 < kakimir> or movement of sorts 2017-11-13T00:25:33 < kakimir> it all lasted like 5seconds and then I look at the sky and there was nothing 2017-11-13T00:26:03 < kakimir> and I didn't know if I went to sleep for a bit or what but I was awake 2017-11-13T00:26:21 < englishman> good luck in germoney tpw_rules 2017-11-13T00:26:28 < kakimir> maybe aliens forgot their keys 2017-11-13T00:26:32 < englishman> careful not to talk to too many people or you might come back cultured 2017-11-13T00:26:33 < kakimir> or phone 2017-11-13T00:27:08 < kakimir> and drove back all way from andromeda to panic search their appartment 2017-11-13T00:27:29 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: your expert opinion on this? 2017-11-13T00:27:29 < Steffanx> He wont even oktoberfest englishman 2017-11-13T00:27:44 < Laurenceb_> holy tl;dr batman 2017-11-13T00:27:45 < englishman> hmm isnt that soon 2017-11-13T00:27:48 < englishman> or was it last month 2017-11-13T00:27:51 < Steffanx> When youre in southern germany you have to 2017-11-13T00:28:00 < Laurenceb_> even a professional shitposter hasnt got time to read that 2017-11-13T00:28:22 < Steffanx> I believe it was somewhere in september, englishman 2017-11-13T00:28:36 < englishman> makes sense 2017-11-13T00:29:21 < kakimir> you need to take part in octoberfest 2017-11-13T00:29:28 < Steffanx> Ya 2017-11-13T00:29:58 < Steffanx> But a pink phone.. whyy englishman 2017-11-13T00:30:10 < englishman> ? 2017-11-13T00:30:12 < Steffanx> At least make it canuck white and red 2017-11-13T00:30:15 < englishman> question does not compute 2017-11-13T00:30:44 < Steffanx> How can one have a pink phone 2017-11-13T00:30:52 < englishman> it's hard, they are sold out everywhere 2017-11-13T00:31:01 < englishman> so, luck, i guess 2017-11-13T00:31:09 < Steffanx> Is ReadErr your english"wife"? 2017-11-13T00:31:25 < kakimir> friend said that he saw young lads in their fancy baverian pants taking pee under some tree that had drank so much beer there was no life in their eyes 2017-11-13T00:31:32 < kakimir> just pure lust for more beer 2017-11-13T00:31:44 < englishman> https://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_757531.html?wid=4 2017-11-13T00:31:47 < englishman> oh they are still in stock 2017-11-13T00:31:51 < Steffanx> Nevermind, this is going nowhere englishbot englishbot :P 2017-11-13T00:31:51 < englishman> so you just have to order one 2017-11-13T00:31:54 < englishman> and then you have a pink phone 2017-11-13T00:31:56 < englishman> easy 2017-11-13T00:31:56 < Steffanx> englishman: * 2017-11-13T00:32:15 < kakimir> I have pink phone.. didn't get to choose 2017-11-13T00:32:51 < englishman> readerror would make a nice wife but im not into black men 2017-11-13T00:41:37 < kakimir> https://i.imgtc.com/Tnf9ho4NQ9.jpg now that is a bear 2017-11-13T00:44:27 < kakimir> https://i.ylilauta.org/b8/7d195b3f.jpg nice workshop 2017-11-13T00:56:31 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T00:57:47 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T01:04:37 < Laurenceb_> reee I hate medics 2017-11-13T01:04:42 < Laurenceb_> creepy fuckers 2017-11-13T01:05:04 < Laurenceb_> and they use tons of stupid jargon to hide the fact that 90% of the shit is very basic stuff 2017-11-13T01:05:13 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 2017-11-13T01:05:41 * Laurenceb_ finally worked out how the babby shaking kills the babby 2017-11-13T01:07:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-79-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T01:19:23 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T01:55:48 < dongs> d o n g s 2017-11-13T01:57:09 < upgrdman> cute dog https://i.redd.it/12q2ie0plgxz.jpg 2017-11-13T01:57:27 < dongs> mega old 2017-11-13T02:08:15 < upgrdman> how to measure the size of an array: https://i.redd.it/gi120o592lxz.png 2017-11-13T02:18:04 < dongs> i can tell it was written by a hipster due to fucking gray on gray unreadable faggot screenshot 2017-11-13T02:21:18 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/Hefu74d.gifv 2017-11-13T02:21:24 < upgrdman> ^ brings me much happiness 2017-11-13T02:22:11 < BrainDamage> why did he have to do it in front of the escalator 2017-11-13T02:22:19 < BrainDamage> out of all the places 2017-11-13T02:33:41 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-13T02:37:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-13T02:39:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T02:53:35 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T02:54:39 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T02:55:31 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T03:05:18 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/n4xgzwk7ggxz.jpg 2017-11-13T03:07:03 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T03:10:18 < hesperaux> dongs, that's one of the default color schemes in every jetbrains IDE. I personally used it for android dev for a long time 2017-11-13T03:12:11 < upgrdman> what color scheme? pic? 2017-11-13T03:12:20 < hesperaux> yeah, looks like "Darcula" 2017-11-13T03:13:09 < tpw_rules> hot take dark backgrounds are cancer 2017-11-13T03:13:21 < hesperaux> I don't know what that means 2017-11-13T03:13:51 < tpw_rules> uh 2017-11-13T03:13:52 < mtbg> upgrdman: was the machxo3 ADC with R and C yours? 2017-11-13T03:15:33 < upgrdman> mtbg, machxo2, but yes 2017-11-13T03:16:07 < mtbg> ok 2017-11-13T03:16:07 < upgrdman> mtbg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ALBp2K9788 2017-11-13T03:16:09 < mtbg> nice one then 2017-11-13T03:19:19 < Laurenceb_> less cancer than matlab gui 2017-11-13T03:21:31 < tpw_rules> triggered 2017-11-13T03:35:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-13T03:44:41 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAbOHFYRFGg 2017-11-13T03:44:43 < aandrew> good talk on capacitors 2017-11-13T03:49:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T03:53:55 < sync> guy seems to be cool 2017-11-13T03:54:37 < sync> lol the comments 2017-11-13T03:55:51 < aandrew> in my opinion FAEs are all pretty cool people 2017-11-13T03:56:26 < aandrew> you gotta be smart and have good people skills to be a successful FAE 2017-11-13T03:56:33 < aandrew> that was one job I rather enjoyed 2017-11-13T03:56:52 < aandrew> fair bit of travel, interesting problems, and you were regarded as a god because you were the problem solver 2017-11-13T03:57:38 < sync> it really depends 2017-11-13T03:57:44 < sync> I met some bad ones 2017-11-13T03:57:53 < sync> but yeah 2017-11-13T03:57:55 < aandrew> sure there are assholes in any industry 2017-11-13T03:59:08 < sync> I think the worst one was ti 2017-11-13T03:59:16 < aandrew> hm 2017-11-13T04:04:24 < sync> was some strange SI issue with one of their serdes things 2017-11-13T04:04:54 < sync> turned out to be some decoupling issue but he was not nice to work with 2017-11-13T04:05:52 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T04:06:35 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T04:08:54 < mtbg> what is FAE? 2017-11-13T04:09:52 < aandrew> field applications engineer 2017-11-13T04:10:17 < aandrew> manufacturer employees who know the mfg products very well and usually travel helping customers use/choose mfg parts 2017-11-13T04:23:17 < sync> oh haha 2017-11-13T04:23:34 < sync> the tantalum pentoxide anecdote 2017-11-13T04:23:40 < sync> same with SiO2 2017-11-13T04:23:43 < sync> really nice colors 2017-11-13T04:24:00 < aandrew> hahaha 2017-11-13T04:24:07 < aandrew> dude blogs under baldengineer.com 2017-11-13T04:28:23 < sync> I need to get my vacuum shit running again and do more thin layer stuff 2017-11-13T04:28:36 < sync> but I'd need a sem/tem soon 2017-11-13T04:32:58 < sync> haha "if anybody is making them cheaper than we do, they are skipping something" 2017-11-13T04:52:35 < sync> oh 2017-11-13T04:52:43 < sync> just watched kemets mfg video 2017-11-13T04:53:19 < sync> interesting how they measure such a shitload caps 2017-11-13T05:02:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T05:14:56 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-13T05:20:57 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@2002:5cc1:5780:0:10a6:5f21:9b5b:b525] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T05:23:44 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-79-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T06:16:40 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@2002:5cc1:5780:0:10a6:5f21:9b5b:b525] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-13T06:27:01 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T06:28:32 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T06:40:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-13T06:44:31 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-13T06:54:27 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2017-11-13T08:59:06 < hesperaux> I cannot figure out what's going on...it's something with the pin, because if I switch it to PA0 it works fine 2017-11-13T09:00:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7de1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T09:02:37 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T09:02:39 < hesperaux> I've got other PAx pins doing stuff and it doesn't matter when I use PA0 for the EXTI interrupt...but it hates me when I try to use PBx 2017-11-13T09:02:52 * hesperaux takes a mind break and watches youtube 2017-11-13T09:03:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-13T09:35:43 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T09:43:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7de1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-13T10:11:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T10:26:03 < jadew> any suggestions for a good lead free solder paste? 2017-11-13T10:29:23 < ohsix> the one that tastes the best 2017-11-13T10:29:25 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/alamgirizvi/status/929043377538117633 2017-11-13T10:29:41 < ohsix> lul couldn't chat because of a domain name dongs has registered elapsed 2017-11-13T10:36:17 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/nathanfielder/status/929876207037853696 2017-11-13T10:37:00 < ohsix> jadew: how fast do you need it, most of my real advise is like, order a variation from china and wait 5 weeks; most people are unwilling to do that 2017-11-13T10:37:23 < ohsix> most/~all will be satisfactory and you'll have tons ;] 2017-11-13T10:37:36 < ohsix> otherwise you just get what the local distributors have 2017-11-13T10:37:40 < jadew> ohsix, I'm more interested in what works best / can be stored at room temperature rather than time/price 2017-11-13T10:37:44 < ohsix> kester or whoever 2017-11-13T10:37:46 < ohsix> eh 2017-11-13T10:37:54 < ohsix> you can't store any of them at room temperature after they've been opened 2017-11-13T10:38:15 < ohsix> the volatiles in the flux that keeps it flowing offgas real quick 2017-11-13T10:39:06 < ohsix> that's a hard ass criteria to meet 2017-11-13T10:41:04 < ohsix> or, i guess; you could also mean containers small enough that you basically use them all up whenever you open one, and many containers 2017-11-13T10:41:38 < sync> jadew: gc10 2017-11-13T10:41:48 < jadew> ohsix, that could work too 2017-11-13T10:41:54 < jadew> sync, thanks, I'll check it out 2017-11-13T10:42:28 < jadew> seems other people are recommending it too, so that's reassuring 2017-11-13T10:45:38 < ohsix> my friends recommended jumping off a bridge but i didn't trust them 2017-11-13T10:46:42 < jadew> well, recoommendations are good, but you have to try it for youreself if you want to form an opinion on it 2017-11-13T10:50:49 < hesperaux> ok, can you not read an input pin while it is configured as an EXTI interrupt source? 2017-11-13T10:51:20 < hesperaux> because calling GPIO_ReadInputDataBit(port,pin) on the pin while in the ISR returns 0 (pressed) no matter what 2017-11-13T10:55:51 < hesperaux> ...turns out if you are stupid and set the pin to 0 instead of GPIO_Pin_0, it of course doesn't work 2017-11-13T10:55:54 < hesperaux> ignore me 2017-11-13T10:55:59 * hesperaux grumbles and goes back to it 2017-11-13T11:03:30 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-13T11:17:25 < ohsix> never miss a chance for self deprecation 2017-11-13T11:19:58 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: it's just that C is such a shitty language where one can't guard against silly errors like that. 2017-11-13T11:23:43 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T11:24:03 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-87-128.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T11:31:32 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T11:32:18 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T11:34:31 < hesperaux> hehe 2017-11-13T11:34:48 < hesperaux> even though they use assert_param 2017-11-13T11:35:28 < PaulFertser> ST shit-library does it runtime, and so it's disabled by default. 2017-11-13T11:36:39 < hesperaux> well, such is life 2017-11-13T11:37:06 < hesperaux> I still can't figure out why using some pins for my EXTI interrupt totally jacks up the thing 2017-11-13T11:38:48 < PaulFertser> You have choice though. There're independent libarary implementations. E.g. stm32plus or cortex-m crates in Rust. 2017-11-13T11:39:05 < hesperaux> crates in Rust? 2017-11-13T11:39:23 < PaulFertser> EXTI module doesn't affect GPIO pins anyhow as far as I know, they continue to work as normal. 2017-11-13T11:39:31 < PaulFertser> crates == additional libraries 2017-11-13T11:39:34 < hesperaux> ah 2017-11-13T11:43:36 < hesperaux> yeah no idea what's up, but if I set certain pins up for an EXTI interrupt, they trigger incessantly 2017-11-13T11:43:41 < hesperaux> same code with other pins works great 2017-11-13T11:47:23 < c4017_> I seem to remember having problems where both NVIC and EXTI interrupt flags had to be cleared or the ISR would keep looping 2017-11-13T11:47:45 < hesperaux> I actually tried doing that 2017-11-13T11:48:51 < PaulFertser> There's a known gotcha about clearing interrupt flags too late, just before an ISR handler returns, then it sometimes triggers for the second time. But I think that can happen only twice in a row. 2017-11-13T11:49:39 < hesperaux> good to know 2017-11-13T11:50:09 < hesperaux> for several of the pins, they were triggering at odd rates. It was like there was noise on the line, but I don't think there is 2017-11-13T11:51:21 < c4017_> Was the new pin accidentally configured for logic level interrupt instead of edge triggered? 2017-11-13T11:51:47 < hesperaux> I don't think so, because that code was identical for any pins I used 2017-11-13T11:51:49 < PaulFertser> So you need to clear the corresponding EXTI bit somewhere at the beginning of the handler, and if it's really too short (e.g. two instructions), add a nop or two after that even. 2017-11-13T11:52:15 < PaulFertser> c4017_: I do not think EXTI supports level triggering, at least not on stm32f1, does it have that on other famalies? 2017-11-13T11:52:38 < c4017_> I think it has low level trigger on f4 2017-11-13T11:52:44 < c4017_> might be mistaken 2017-11-13T11:53:00 < hesperaux> this is a f103 and the only trigger options are rising, falling, or both 2017-11-13T11:53:26 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T11:53:32 < c4017_> yeah its only rising and falling on F4, too 2017-11-13T11:56:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T11:56:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T11:56:51 < zyp> PaulFertser, wouldn't it be better to insert a barrier rather than a nop? 2017-11-13T11:56:55 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-87-128.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-13T11:57:05 < zyp> or perhaps a readback of the same register that you just wrote 2017-11-13T11:57:51 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T11:58:36 < PaulFertser> zyp: does barrier account for AHB-APB delays? I know about memory barriers intrinsics, but those are not suitable certainly. Forcing a readback makes sense but it's hard to write it in a way that wouldn't cause any compiler warnings probably? 2017-11-13T11:58:52 < zyp> (void)reg; 2017-11-13T11:59:34 < zyp> it's the same pattern used to silence unused variable warnings 2017-11-13T11:59:48 < zyp> but since the register is volatile, the read itself can't be optimized out 2017-11-13T12:00:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T12:02:17 < PaulFertser> That's the nicest solution then, it seems. 2017-11-13T12:02:49 < PaulFertser> I never needed an ISR handler that short, just paraphrasing what I've seen recommended by clive1 on forums or somesuch. 2017-11-13T12:02:59 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Glvje 2017-11-13T12:05:03 < zyp> hmm, wonder if pipelining could let it take the branch before the result of the last read has arrived 2017-11-13T12:05:46 < zyp> the branch operation doesn't depend on the result of that 2017-11-13T12:08:29 < zyp> huh 2017-11-13T12:08:36 < zyp> regarding barriers: "All use of DMB is redundant due to the inherent ordering of all loads and stores on Cortex-M3 and Cortex-M4." 2017-11-13T12:10:37 < kakimir> should I put anything into N connector thread and seal? 2017-11-13T12:10:50 < kakimir> like silicone - sync ? 2017-11-13T12:13:40 < PaulFertser> http://false.ekta.is/2012/06/interrupt-service-routines-double-firing-on-stm32/comment-page-1/ 2017-11-13T12:14:13 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, thanks. I'm bookmarking that 2017-11-13T12:14:43 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: though it likely is unrelated to your issues 2017-11-13T12:15:12 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, agreed. in my case the triggering continous, and not completely periodically either 2017-11-13T12:16:00 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: probably you really do have those edges on those pins? 2017-11-13T12:16:16 < hesperaux> I should hook up a scope 2017-11-13T12:16:30 < hesperaux> so far I've only used a logic analyzer 2017-11-13T12:16:42 < hesperaux> i'll do it now because now I really want to know 2017-11-13T12:16:55 < zyp> hesperaux, is it trigging often enough that normal code can't execute? 2017-11-13T12:17:14 < hesperaux> zyp, not quite, but it messes up my LCD, so kind of 2017-11-13T12:26:21 < hesperaux> now on this one it's just not triggering...sigh...I probably messed up something 2017-11-13T12:26:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T12:34:08 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T12:34:56 < hesperaux> i'll have to look at this tomorrow. thanks for the help all 2017-11-13T12:35:09 < hesperaux> 4:30AM and I'm tired - i'll end up making more mistakes 2017-11-13T12:43:16 < qyx> kakimir: seal with a vulcanizing tape 2017-11-13T12:44:09 < kakimir> inteeestin 2017-11-13T12:53:58 < sync> no kakimir, besides taping over it you should not do anything 2017-11-13T12:57:51 < kakimir> self vulcanazing tape interesting 2017-11-13T12:58:26 < kakimir> I have not such tape in my kingdom of trash yet 2017-11-13T12:59:23 < kakimir> or is it kingdom of dirt 2017-11-13T13:01:23 < kakimir> how hard stuff it is to remove? 2017-11-13T13:03:28 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T13:04:00 < sync> you just cut through it 2017-11-13T13:04:19 < kakimir> it's just rubber 2017-11-13T13:04:31 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T13:15:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T13:16:31 < mtbg> zyp: they probably meant it is redundant in "normal" computation, not when memory writes can change program flow in a hidden manner 2017-11-13T13:16:45 < mtbg> as with that interrupt flags 2017-11-13T13:19:13 < kakimir> while I'm booted in linux shouldn't I clone the drive there? 2017-11-13T13:19:17 < zyp> no, they mean redundant as in it won't make a difference 2017-11-13T13:19:24 < kakimir> just dd it 2017-11-13T13:19:34 < kakimir> get boot sector and shit 2017-11-13T13:19:45 < kakimir> simples? 2017-11-13T13:19:47 < zyp> kakimir, what are you talking about? 2017-11-13T13:20:08 < kakimir> I think I have done dd clones multiple times that actually boot right away 2017-11-13T13:20:27 < kakimir> I'm resizing ntfs 2017-11-13T13:20:30 < kakimir> for ssd 2017-11-13T13:21:50 < kakimir> booted linux and now gparted is shrinking drives 2017-11-13T13:21:58 < kakimir> internal hdd 2017-11-13T13:22:09 < kakimir> then dd to esata ssd 2017-11-13T13:22:10 < zyp> resizing ntfs in linux sounds unpleasant 2017-11-13T13:22:12 < mtbg> in cm4 programming manual there were several examples where they were turning global interrupts on and issuing dsb first 2017-11-13T13:22:42 < mtbg> was it copied from earlier manuals for the cores that need this? 2017-11-13T13:23:17 < zyp> mtbg, dsb and dmb are separate instructions 2017-11-13T13:23:38 < kakimir> zyp: it's actually really handy 2017-11-13T13:24:08 < mtbg> ok then 2017-11-13T13:25:42 < zyp> mtbg, as far as I can see, DMB ensures that any memory accesses before the DMB are performed before any memory accesses after the DMB 2017-11-13T13:25:52 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T13:26:35 < zyp> while DSB ensures that no other instructions at all are executed until all pending memory accesses are performed 2017-11-13T13:27:46 < mtbg> makes sense 2017-11-13T13:28:03 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-13T13:28:06 < mtbg> so dmb wouldn't suffice for that interrupt case 2017-11-13T13:28:21 < zyp> correct, dsb would be the appropriate barrier 2017-11-13T13:28:40 < zyp> and dmb is redundant because all memory accesses are performed in-order anyway 2017-11-13T13:29:06 < zyp> so dmb is probably a no-op in hardware, just existing for binary compatibility 2017-11-13T13:29:32 < zyp> maybe it's useful on M7, the document I read seemed to be older than M7 2017-11-13T13:29:40 < kakimir> https://www.savjee.be/2012/10/creating-one-WiFi-network-with-multiple-access-points/ is it really so easy? 2017-11-13T13:30:03 < zyp> sure 2017-11-13T13:30:40 < zyp> if you have multiple APs with same ssid and auth settings, clients would pick whichever has a stronger signal 2017-11-13T13:31:25 < zyp> and once you're connected, they're all on the same L2 segment 2017-11-13T13:31:39 < kakimir> is it seamless to client? 2017-11-13T13:31:52 < zyp> define seamless 2017-11-13T13:32:11 < kakimir> so that my ip and shit won't change? 2017-11-13T13:32:39 < kakimir> can I use same channel for both routers+ 2017-11-13T13:32:44 < zyp> as long as the APs are plain APs just bridging and you have a separate DHCP then yes 2017-11-13T13:33:01 < zyp> DHCP will see the same MAC regardless of which AP you connect to and hand out same ip 2017-11-13T13:33:23 < kakimir> how about channel? 2017-11-13T13:33:35 < zyp> the only non-seamless thing is when a client switches from one to the other, there might be a short interrupting while ARP tables update 2017-11-13T13:33:55 < kakimir> I have channel 3 for my link and channel 11 for local wifi 2017-11-13T13:34:01 < zyp> pro stuff have some handover logic to fix that 2017-11-13T13:34:21 < zyp> you'll probably not notice anyway unless you're doing voip while roaming between APs 2017-11-13T13:34:22 < kakimir> pro stuff as in network adapter or as in routers 2017-11-13T13:34:30 < zyp> pro AP systems 2017-11-13T13:34:54 < zyp> same channel is probably a bad idea 2017-11-13T13:35:18 < PaulFertser> kakimir: you might want FT (?) extensions for faster roaming. 802.11r, 802.11k 2017-11-13T13:35:44 < zyp> not worse than using same channel as your neighbor, but still dumb enough that it removes part of the point of having multiple APs 2017-11-13T13:36:34 < PaulFertser> kakimir: https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/uci/wireless#fast_bss_transition_options 2017-11-13T13:36:54 < kakimir> so I need to go from 40Mhz band to 20mhz band to fit the channels 2017-11-13T13:37:07 < PaulFertser> Works on hostapd level so available on any non-pro systems too. 2017-11-13T13:38:00 < zyp> kakimir, that doesn't sound very beneficial either 2017-11-13T13:38:08 < zyp> why do you want two APs in the first place? 2017-11-13T13:38:31 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T13:38:42 < kakimir> I have large building I roam around with my laptop 2017-11-13T13:38:53 < kakimir> at the far reach of building I start loosing connections 2017-11-13T13:39:14 < kakimir> and router to another end of building is a kind of side effect too 2017-11-13T13:39:24 < zyp> if you've only got one significant client then there won't be much traffic on both APs at the same time 2017-11-13T13:39:25 < kakimir> for the link 2017-11-13T13:39:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-13T13:39:34 < zyp> so the same channel thing shouldn't really matter much 2017-11-13T13:40:08 < kakimir> what happens at overlap area? 2017-11-13T13:40:26 < kakimir> when another one is lost it establishes connection with another one? 2017-11-13T13:40:32 < zyp> yes 2017-11-13T13:41:50 < kakimir> another router is not like "what did you say? who are you speaking to?" 2017-11-13T13:42:04 < kakimir> "let me block the channel" 2017-11-13T13:42:23 < kakimir> is wifi router totally silent when there is no clients? 2017-11-13T13:42:32 < kakimir> or broadcasting? 2017-11-13T13:42:58 < zyp> of course it's broadcasting, how would you else know what wlans exists in the area? 2017-11-13T13:43:39 < kakimir> actually.. this end of building is 60meters from link yagi 2017-11-13T13:43:50 < kakimir> and multiple walls and firewalls 2017-11-13T13:44:11 < kakimir> yagi alignment is not nearly to this direction 2017-11-13T13:44:23 < kakimir> I will use channel 3 in yagi and this end 2017-11-13T13:44:33 < kakimir> ap next to yagi I use 11 2017-11-13T13:44:58 < zyp> heh 2017-11-13T13:45:28 < mtbg> there was a beacon spammer on esp8266 that someone wrote, I guess it would jam most client connection attempts if would broadcast the same settings and ssids as real networks in the area, only differing in bssid 2017-11-13T13:46:07 < kakimir> another router is asus rt66u 2017-11-13T13:46:32 < kakimir> another one is huawei b593 2017-11-13T13:46:36 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T13:46:42 < kakimir> first one would run openwrt 2017-11-13T13:47:00 < kakimir> but second one is LTE modem so I don't think there would be luck with that 2017-11-13T13:47:21 < BrainDamage> try to separate your routers from your modems 2017-11-13T13:48:09 < BrainDamage> so you have freedom of choice on router, and can run non shit router 2017-11-13T13:48:47 < kakimir> I try but insufficient funds 2017-11-13T13:49:03 < kakimir> I get around with current system thought 2017-11-13T13:49:58 < kakimir> ntfs resize took only 5minutes.. does it sound okay to you guise? 2017-11-13T13:50:20 < kakimir> I was prepared to wait 2hours 2017-11-13T13:50:54 < kakimir> plain windows system with few apps and drivers fill the disk linearry? 2017-11-13T14:22:32 < ohsix> poop 2017-11-13T14:29:19 < aandrew> jadew: my limited experience says that all paste benefits from being stored in a fridge. slows down the chemical reaction of the flux that eventually leads to paste failure 2017-11-13T14:31:14 < ohsix> the sync/barrier stuff in the buffer is a good question to throw at gcc.godbolt.org 2017-11-13T14:32:16 < ohsix> aandrew: i've stored it carefully unrefrigerated and just from being on the bench for a half hour while i was using it in a syringe, it got stiff enough to break the applicator and needles in only 3 or 4 uses 2017-11-13T14:32:45 < ohsix> it's not rosin but it is comparable when you're talking about it gumming up 2017-11-13T14:35:29 < aandrew> yes 2017-11-13T14:36:01 < aandrew> the board houses I've worked with all store the paste refrigerated and take some amount out to warm up without leaving the entire "tub" of paste out 2017-11-13T14:36:17 < aandrew> they're also all dated and are treated as a perishible item 2017-11-13T14:53:13 < kakimir> okay I have wan of wlan router connected to lan of my LTE router 2017-11-13T14:53:22 < kakimir> there is no connection 2017-11-13T14:53:45 < kakimir> connection is clearly trying to negotiate something 2017-11-13T14:54:02 < kakimir> 0 received to LTE router and 2296 sent 2017-11-13T14:54:07 < kakimir> packets 2017-11-13T14:54:24 < kakimir> empty ports are 1789 sent all 2017-11-13T14:54:57 < kakimir> I better reset the wlan router.. I try to gain control to it over LTE router 2017-11-13T14:55:35 < kakimir> what options should I set inside LTE router for WLAN router wan port? 2017-11-13T14:56:05 < kakimir> there is pretty much none.. dhcp, dmz, port forwarding, firewall 2017-11-13T14:56:48 < kakimir> ALG 2017-11-13T14:57:00 < kakimir> UPnP 2017-11-13T14:57:32 < kakimir> should I btw use UPnP service? it's disabled 2017-11-13T15:04:50 < jadew> aandrew, I'm sure it would benefit, but I won't have a fridge available, not at first anyway 2017-11-13T15:24:33 < kakimir> both side media converters have TX lights lit 2017-11-13T15:24:54 < kakimir> neather have RX lights 2017-11-13T15:27:30 < kakimir> link lights are lit 2017-11-13T15:27:39 < kakimir> data lights are only TX both sides 2017-11-13T15:34:02 < jadew> "By clicking ENTER you confirm to be at least 18 years old and to be fully aware that you are about to see _brave_ erotic material." 2017-11-13T15:34:24 < jadew> I thought ok, I want to see some brave material. 2017-11-13T15:34:34 < jadew> I immediately regreted clicking enter 2017-11-13T15:37:04 < jadew> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/07/facebook-revenge-porn-nude-photos 2017-11-13T15:42:08 < Laurenceb> upload all ur nudes to facebook, its for ur own good 2017-11-13T15:42:09 < jadew> time to buy fb-nude-hash.com and start one of those viral messages that include that URL and the advice for everyone to send nudes to security@fb-nude-hash.com 2017-11-13T15:42:17 < Laurenceb> lel 2017-11-13T15:45:23 < jadew> it's funny their first suggestion was for everyone to send them nude pics, instead of releasing an app that hashes them on the user's PC and sends the hash to FB instead 2017-11-13T15:45:45 < mtbg> how about choosing a partner who is not prone to such behavior? 2017-11-13T15:46:29 < jadew> yeah, it takes so little effort to restrain yourself from doing that 2017-11-13T15:46:52 < PaulFertser> jadew: how would they be able to verify if the hash is not flagging some normal image like a company logo or something? 2017-11-13T15:47:13 < jadew> PaulFertser, so you're saying they're verifying? :) 2017-11-13T15:47:38 < PaulFertser> jadew: they're saying they have moderation for the process, yes, in some clarification press-release. 2017-11-13T15:48:00 < jadew> heh, are they hireing now? 2017-11-13T15:49:46 < PaulFertser> jadew: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d3d5gx/real-humans-will-review-the-nudes-you-send-facebook-as-part-of-its-anti-revenge-porn-program 2017-11-13T15:50:42 < jadew> sounds like a nice job 2017-11-13T15:51:23 < PaulFertser> Viewing shitty cellphone-made photos all day long? Come on. 2017-11-13T15:51:53 < jadew> not all day long, just 8 hours/day 2017-11-13T15:52:15 < aandrew> jadew: I listened to a thing about it on the radio last week. it's not just hasing 2017-11-13T15:52:19 < aandrew> hashing 2017-11-13T15:52:20 < jadew> that way, when you get home, you don't have to spend any extra time browsing pornography, you can just do useful things with your time 2017-11-13T15:52:37 < aandrew> first they have a human review the pic to see if it qualifies as a nude or the type of pic that would be used for revenge porn 2017-11-13T15:52:48 < aandrew> if it does, it's hashed and the pic destroyed 2017-11-13T15:52:54 < aandrew> so yeah, totally trust facebook man 2017-11-13T15:53:00 < aandrew> btw I'm going to go work for facebook 2017-11-13T15:53:02 < PaulFertser> Amateur photos is a poor substitue for real artistic masterpieces. 2017-11-13T15:53:21 < jadew> aandrew, for real? 2017-11-13T15:53:25 < aandrew> fuck no man 2017-11-13T15:53:29 < jadew> ah, hehe 2017-11-13T15:53:48 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T15:54:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T15:54:48 < jadew> aandrew, you'd be surprised, but they have some really good people there 2017-11-13T15:55:06 < aandrew> I don't doubt it 2017-11-13T15:55:12 < aandrew> as someone without a fb account I am not sure I'd qualify :-) 2017-11-13T15:55:12 < jadew> they have that c++ templates guy, Andrei Alexandrescu 2017-11-13T15:55:54 < Laurenceb> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/EP085556/pdf 2017-11-13T15:55:57 < Laurenceb> dat title 2017-11-13T15:56:34 < jadew> Laurenceb, wth is that? 2017-11-13T15:56:41 < jadew> what does it mean? 2017-11-13T15:56:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-13T15:58:37 < Laurenceb> well they had to separate the obese and lean women for a start 2017-11-13T15:58:37 < jadew> ok, I got it 2017-11-13T15:58:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T15:59:50 < jadew> yeah, they vibrated the obese (with normal blood pressure) and lean women and observed that the obese have different blood flow changes and neural responses 2017-11-13T16:00:11 < Laurenceb> fat lives matter 2017-11-13T16:00:17 < jadew> I bet the difference in blood flow is because of how those waves press against the veins 2017-11-13T16:00:35 < jadew> and the neural response is a reaction to that 2017-11-13T16:01:04 < jadew> or it could be a matter of wavelength 2017-11-13T16:01:12 < jadew> the fatties are resonant to lower frequencies 2017-11-13T16:03:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-13T16:03:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T16:03:53 < jadew> yep, they vibrate them at 25 Hz, I bet they choose that frequency experimentally 2017-11-13T16:05:00 < jadew> they hooked up an obese women to the machine and played with the frequency knob until she started looking like a blow fish 2017-11-13T16:10:10 < mtbg> lower frequencies and lower Q 2017-11-13T16:11:24 < BrainDamage> maybe it wasn't a vibrating platter, rather a vibrator 2017-11-13T16:14:12 < jadew> sort of like a waveguide probe? 2017-11-13T16:14:43 < BrainDamage> yes, altought you need to determine the excitation modes first 2017-11-13T16:19:58 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T16:26:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T16:32:00 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T16:43:06 < kakimir> fun fact: standard fiber media converter doesn't work in cold temperatures 2017-11-13T16:44:00 < kakimir> extended temperature range media converter sounds like proper not-cheap fun 2017-11-13T16:44:46 < BrainDamage> add a heater 2017-11-13T16:44:51 < kakimir> maybe 2017-11-13T16:44:53 < kakimir> ptc 2017-11-13T16:45:14 < BrainDamage> just a bimetallic thermostat cutoff, you don't need precision 2017-11-13T16:46:22 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-13T16:46:25 < kakimir> I have those too 2017-11-13T16:46:58 < kakimir> I should first try to find cheap extended range converter 2017-11-13T16:47:38 < kakimir> -10C is fine 2017-11-13T17:02:56 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-13T17:05:51 < Rob235> anyone know a good site for attribution free sound effects? 2017-11-13T17:07:42 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T17:07:45 < Laurenceb> pornhub.com 2017-11-13T17:08:28 < Rob235> :) 2017-11-13T17:13:24 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe I should make some F0 audiophool hardware 2017-11-13T17:14:14 < Laurenceb> I see xmos actually have some sales 2017-11-13T17:14:20 < Laurenceb> time to kill them for good 2017-11-13T17:14:42 < Laurenceb> wew they have rebranded http://www.xmos.com/ 2017-11-13T17:15:50 < Laurenceb> http://www.xmos.com/files/images/xmos-radar-ifx.jpg 2017-11-13T17:15:56 < Laurenceb> autism 2017-11-13T17:16:21 < kakimir> I see 2017-11-13T17:16:46 < kakimir> fucking media converters Laurenceb 2017-11-13T17:19:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T17:24:28 < englishman> jadew: GC10 from digikey 2017-11-13T17:24:50 < englishman> avoid MG chemicals, thats for sure 2017-11-13T17:25:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=616_1510522648 2017-11-13T17:26:10 < jadew> englishman, thanks, I might actually give digikey a chance, because I can't recover my farnell password 2017-11-13T17:26:21 < englishman> laurent you were talking about stm32 for a minute there 2017-11-13T17:26:26 < englishman> why not continue along that path 2017-11-13T17:26:56 < Laurenceb> http://www.xmos.com/products/silicon/xcore-audio 2017-11-13T17:26:59 < Laurenceb> for teh lulz 2017-11-13T17:27:27 < englishman> hm never ordered from e14/rs/farnell except ~8 years ago for original ragepberripi 2017-11-13T17:27:47 < Laurenceb> it wasnt that long ago 2017-11-13T17:28:09 < englishman> hm no just 6 years ago 2017-11-13T17:30:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSa_hbutFt0 musics. new garbage 2017-11-13T17:34:21 < englishman> wow they are still around 2017-11-13T17:34:39 < kakimir> and great tune ofc 2017-11-13T17:34:57 < kakimir> have that 90's alt-rock vibe 2017-11-13T17:46:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T17:49:11 < jadew> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e5_1510517046 2017-11-13T17:50:43 < englishman> internet in canada https://i.imgur.com/eBrSIF1.jpg 2017-11-13T17:51:38 < BrainDamage> lool 'fast speeds' 2017-11-13T17:51:56 < sync> > 0.13Mbps 2017-11-13T17:52:05 < dfgg> well 2017-11-13T17:52:12 < kakimir> wtf 2017-11-13T17:52:24 < dfgg> still faster than gprs or even 56k 2017-11-13T17:52:44 < BrainDamage> does it have data caps too? 2017-11-13T17:52:51 < kakimir> sure it must have 2017-11-13T17:52:57 < kakimir> that is the small print 2017-11-13T17:53:23 < dfgg> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/13/poor-broadband-killing-rural-life-young-people-flee-cities-report/ 2017-11-13T17:53:27 < dfgg> >2017 2017-11-13T17:53:34 < englishman> yeah some companies advertise 50gb caps 2017-11-13T17:53:50 < dfgg> >those shitty startups still think that 20megs of javashit on pages just to show simple form is not enough 2017-11-13T17:54:10 < englishman> not for tv of course 2017-11-13T17:54:12 < dfgg> kakimir: read first line 2017-11-13T17:54:24 < dfgg> it clearly says "GENEROUS usage every month" 2017-11-13T17:55:53 < Ultrasauce> englishman: my new office has bell's gigabit and it's dank 2017-11-13T17:56:03 < kakimir> in finland goverment made a plan to provide fast internet access to everywhere 2017-11-13T17:56:18 < kakimir> not just plan but there was some law or something about it 2017-11-13T17:56:23 < englishman> Ultrasauce: yeah I paid for that for a few months. Bell could not keep up 2017-11-13T17:56:25 < kakimir> +5years ago 2017-11-13T17:56:45 < BrainDamage> here we have been deploying a plan to deliver fiber to each home within 2020 2017-11-13T17:56:54 < jadew> Ultrasauce, I have gigabit by myself 2017-11-13T17:57:10 < englishman> well that's easier in a country that is smaller than my commute BrainDamage 2017-11-13T17:57:13 < jadew> for the amazing price of $12/mo 2017-11-13T17:57:55 < englishman> Ultrasauce: congrats again on the office btw 2017-11-13T17:57:55 < sync> I have fiber in my house 2017-11-13T17:58:00 < BrainDamage> englishman: we have higher population than canada, and we're more mountainous than switzerland 2017-11-13T17:58:04 < kakimir> law states minimum of 2Mpbs 2017-11-13T17:58:15 < sync> but the bsnz model of the telco doesn't allow for giving me gbit 2017-11-13T17:58:24 < kakimir> and higher rate at some areas 2017-11-13T17:58:26 < kakimir> like 10 2017-11-13T17:58:39 < jadew> sync, silly, they reserve that for businesses? 2017-11-13T17:58:59 < kakimir> they get to rip you off 2017-11-13T17:59:01 < jadew> these guys used to give a fixed IP address too, but removed that so you get a business plan if you want it 2017-11-13T17:59:59 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNSN6qet1kE peter is flying out of ground effect now 2017-11-13T18:00:55 < kakimir> fixed ip is optional here too 2017-11-13T18:00:56 < aandrew> that's a lot of fucking lithium 2017-11-13T18:01:10 < kakimir> at least I get to remove nat for free 2017-11-13T18:01:15 < BrainDamage> so much for lithium batteries banned from aviation 2017-11-13T18:01:54 < englishman> lol kaka did that guy get kicked off flitetest 2017-11-13T18:04:41 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T18:04:55 < kakimir> I bet he left himself 2017-11-13T18:05:05 < sync> no jadew 2017-11-13T18:05:20 < sync> as I am not in an industrial estate 2017-11-13T18:05:26 < kakimir> at least I was really ibteresred in his mad projects 2017-11-13T18:06:18 < kakimir> he said something about flitetest setting him boundaries for his peesonal pursuits 2017-11-13T18:07:10 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-13T18:07:59 < sync> haha yeah aandrew 2017-11-13T18:08:14 < sync> I have two of those batteries for my hoverboard stuff 2017-11-13T18:16:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T18:22:33 < englishman> BrainDamage: to give you an idea how large and young this country is, the highway connecting the two coasts was completed in my parent's lifetime 2017-11-13T18:24:48 < BrainDamage> englishman: to give you an idea how stupid this country is, the last 80% of the highway connecting it heightwise has been finished after 30 years of work, only to be deemed unfit to modern traffic standards and have to be torn apart and redone in several sections 2017-11-13T18:24:54 < Laurenceb> totally unlike the UK 2017-11-13T18:24:56 < Laurenceb> oh wait 2017-11-13T18:25:05 < englishman> sounds italian yea 2017-11-13T18:25:16 < englishman> probably a bidding war going on in the background 2017-11-13T18:25:16 < englishman> ? 2017-11-13T18:26:49 < BrainDamage> nope, it's actually one of the cases where the stereotypes were true and mafia managed to get its hands in the contracts ... multiple times 2017-11-13T18:27:04 < englishman> ah nice 2017-11-13T18:27:27 < englishman> i thought they were good at finishing contracts tho 2017-11-13T18:27:31 < englishman> better than government at least 2017-11-13T18:27:46 < englishman> at least you know where the money is going 2017-11-13T18:27:50 < BrainDamage> they profit not only from stealing from the state, but by intentionally sabotaging key infrastructure they can slow down the development and get away more with their idiocies 2017-11-13T18:30:23 < kakimir> sounds just perfect recipe to compete with in global world 2017-11-13T18:30:26 < sync> doesn't that always happen with public construction projects? 2017-11-13T18:30:35 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-13T18:30:51 < englishman> yes 2017-11-13T18:31:45 < kakimir> but I bet Italian version of such is one level up 2017-11-13T18:32:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T18:32:33 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T18:33:57 < BrainDamage> actually most corruption here is not organized, as in it's individuals being corruptible standalone, but yes, the organized version is much more powerful and fearsome than other places 2017-11-13T18:35:18 < BrainDamage> and even more funny is that the statistics for corruption overall are more or less in line with rest of eu, but because of the ridicolous exploits of the organized crime, the perceived corruption here ( from italians, to italians ) is ~50% higher than other countries 2017-11-13T18:36:05 < kakimir> in finland we don't have corruption because it was rebranded 2017-11-13T18:36:34 < kakimir> "hyvä veli verkosto" 2017-11-13T18:36:50 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_boy_network 2017-11-13T18:37:56 < kakimir> "dear brother nerwork" 2017-11-13T18:38:02 < kakimir> *network 2017-11-13T18:40:05 < sync> nice 2017-11-13T18:41:02 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-13T18:41:21 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T18:56:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T19:13:46 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-13T19:29:50 < Laurenceb> https://sputniknews.com/europe/201711121059028744-syrian-arrested-germany-pony-rape/ 2017-11-13T19:30:16 < Laurenceb> that pony is pretty hawt tbh 2017-11-13T19:32:40 < jadew> another link on that page: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201711041058813923-denmark-immigration-minister-migrant-incident/ 2017-11-13T19:32:59 < Laurenceb> kek news 2017-11-13T19:33:26 < PaulFertser> Is that the russian propaganda channel? 2017-11-13T19:33:40 < Laurenceb> totally unlike bbc news 2017-11-13T19:35:32 < PaulFertser> The title says runs over and the first image implies that as well but the text has nothing like it. 2017-11-13T19:40:48 < englishman> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/08/logitech_harmony_link_universal_controller_to_stop_working_next_year/ 2017-11-13T19:40:57 < englishman> so, it turns out the reason why logitech is disabling all this stuff 2017-11-13T19:41:07 < englishman> is some guy on efnet found the priv key for all devices in a readme.txt 2017-11-13T19:41:21 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-13T19:44:51 < Laurenceb> ok lis3 fridge test results in 2017-11-13T19:45:07 < Laurenceb> 10C cooling gives mean 2degree angle shift 2017-11-13T19:45:10 < Laurenceb> not too bad 2017-11-13T19:47:32 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-13T19:53:10 < PaulFertser> englishman: what link tells the story of private key? 2017-11-13T19:53:18 < englishman> none 2017-11-13T19:53:56 < PaulFertser> Can you share please? 2017-11-13T19:59:22 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T20:05:31 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeOGpVYM7Rk 2017-11-13T20:10:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvl112Khwlg 2017-11-13T20:12:02 < englishman> Laurenceb: https://ubyssey.storage.googleapis.com/media/images/2017/11/23574308_1829745430655208_2136256945_n.jpg 2017-11-13T20:14:31 < mtbg> /quit 2017-11-13T20:14:39 -!- mtbg [mtbg@shell.k4be.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2017-11-13T20:15:11 < englishman> ^ good choice 2017-11-13T20:15:38 < Steffanx> englishman how is foxconning? 2017-11-13T20:15:44 < englishman> boring 2017-11-13T20:15:49 < englishman> everything is going well 2017-11-13T20:15:51 < Steffanx> I see Laurenceb tool over, so boring it must be 2017-11-13T20:15:56 < Steffanx> Took 2017-11-13T20:15:59 < englishman> yes 2017-11-13T20:16:07 < englishman> there are too many things to type to ban him 2017-11-13T20:16:23 < englishman> in irccloud it was 1 clock 2017-11-13T20:16:25 < englishman> click 2017-11-13T20:16:42 < Steffanx> Rebuy it 2017-11-13T20:16:59 < englishman> never 2017-11-13T20:18:10 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by ChanServ 2017-11-13T20:18:12 < Steffanx> There you go 2017-11-13T20:26:45 < kakimir> https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205595.0;attach=62969 why is this wheat stone IN- splited? 2017-11-13T20:33:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T20:42:38 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T20:49:00 < Thorn> what should I put into advertisement packets (for a custom peripheral)? my service uuid? 2017-11-13T20:51:33 < Thorn> so that my mobile app can recognize it 2017-11-13T21:06:48 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T21:08:15 < kakimir> do you use reference regulator with wheatstone amplifiers? 2017-11-13T21:09:10 < BrainDam1> is your wheatstone dc or ac? 2017-11-13T21:09:18 < kakimir> dc 2017-11-13T21:09:39 < kakimir> is there ac wheatstone bridges? 2017-11-13T21:09:44 < BrainDam1> ofc 2017-11-13T21:10:04 < BrainDam1> it's to minimize 1/f noise 2017-11-13T21:10:34 < BrainDam1> but thenyou either need lock in or matched filter at the output 2017-11-13T21:10:36 < kakimir> interesting 2017-11-13T21:10:48 < BrainDam1> depending on what waveform you use 2017-11-13T21:10:55 < kakimir> I use hx711 2017-11-13T21:12:32 < englishman> we're all pink noise on the inside 2017-11-13T21:15:01 < upgrdman> that moment when you're porting someone code to a new MCU, and you see comments about how you "must not enable optimization or it break" and then you see stupid shit like this for(int i = 0; i < 100000; i++); ... ya, i wonder why you couldn't turn on optimization :/ 2017-11-13T21:15:28 < BrainDam1> if you use dc whestone and don't have strict precision requirements go with reference regulator 2017-11-13T21:15:58 < kakimir> if I have strict precision requirements? 2017-11-13T21:16:00 < BrainDam1> otherwise you need to calculate the effect of psrr 2017-11-13T21:16:10 < kakimir> too hard 2017-11-13T21:16:25 < BrainDam1> which is often just psrr/2 if all resistors areequal 2017-11-13T21:16:27 < kakimir> how do I make AC wheatstone bridge? 2017-11-13T21:16:43 < kakimir> I don't know what to do with that calculation 2017-11-13T21:16:55 < BrainDam1> it's the same as dc, but psu is ac 2017-11-13T21:17:27 < BrainDam1> butt you need syncronous demodulation at the output 2017-11-13T21:18:36 < kakimir> and how that removes the noise? 2017-11-13T21:18:45 < kakimir> or make it less 2017-11-13T21:18:55 < BrainDam1> wibbly wobbly signal processing 2017-11-13T21:18:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-13T21:19:25 < BrainDam1> do you espect me to give you a signal processingcourse in 3 lines of irc? 2017-11-13T21:19:57 < BrainDam1> also whilst drunk and bored 2017-11-13T21:21:15 < BrainDam1> the shortest explanation i could think of is that you're seeing a narrowband signal, but shifting up in frequency you see lower background noise at higher than lower frews 2017-11-13T21:21:51 < BrainDam1> but anything past that is beyond my alcohol concentration limit 2017-11-13T21:23:24 < Ultrasauce> we all know drunk irc didactics is your specialty 2017-11-13T21:24:04 < BrainDam1> only when using your account 2017-11-13T21:26:01 < kakimir> BrainDam1: I think I understood 2017-11-13T21:26:32 < kakimir> but I think such wheatstone amplification is not what I need any day 2017-11-13T21:27:25 < kakimir> soon 2017-11-13T21:27:35 < kakimir> but good trivia 2017-11-13T21:27:38 < kakimir> when I need it 2017-11-13T21:27:52 < upgrdman> with "VSS" and "VDD" anyone know why they are called that? i mean, yes, source and drain. but why not VS and VD... why repeat the letter twice? 2017-11-13T21:28:12 < kakimir> I think it has been told here at least twice 2017-11-13T21:28:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T21:29:10 < kakimir> c = collector e = emitter d = drain s =supply 2017-11-13T21:29:33 < upgrdman> then why not VDS instead of VDD 2017-11-13T21:29:42 < englishman> do you really want to name your net Venereal Disease 2017-11-13T21:29:48 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-13T21:29:54 < kakimir> naming convention 2017-11-13T21:29:55 < upgrdman> or vaginal discharge 2017-11-13T21:30:01 < kakimir> for voltage potentials 2017-11-13T21:30:08 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-13T21:30:33 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T21:30:54 < kakimir> https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/what-is-vcc-vss-vdd-vee.28782/#post-589299 2017-11-13T21:31:46 < upgrdman> thx 2017-11-13T21:32:18 < upgrdman> lol, i've never seen a Vgg 2017-11-13T21:32:23 < upgrdman> or Vbb 2017-11-13T21:39:32 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T21:43:13 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-13T21:48:35 < PaulFertser> zyp: Steffanx: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g7p3moctmhun8w0/AAD2O0LHYQi5ZobRsXLG1pcma?dl=0 white is ABS, blue Roger is trimmer line nylon, vase and brain slug are SBS Glass. 2017-11-13T21:50:32 < zyp> nice 2017-11-13T21:50:38 < zyp> what printer do you have? 2017-11-13T21:50:52 < PaulFertser> Anet A8 2017-11-13T21:50:55 < zyp> ah 2017-11-13T21:51:16 < zyp> so mine's the worst of the lot :p 2017-11-13T21:51:28 < PaulFertser> Only the cones were printed after installing X axis frame braces, everything else was on stock. 2017-11-13T21:52:44 < zyp> mine's an old sumpod that I got from indiegogo in 2011, but never bothered assembling until this spring 2017-11-13T21:52:58 < PaulFertser> That trimmer line nylon is a bitch to print. I had to go up to 265 extruder temp to get reasonable mid-layer adhesion, it's stringy as hell and tends to warp as abs. 2017-11-13T21:53:11 < Ultrasauce> i hope you're ventilating, doing nylon 2017-11-13T21:53:13 < Ultrasauce> HCN offgas 2017-11-13T21:53:36 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T21:53:40 < PaulFertser> Ultrasauce: I'm not sitting near it doing nylon, and not printing big things in it. 2017-11-13T21:53:59 < PaulFertser> (not sitting near printing ABS either) 2017-11-13T21:55:01 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T21:55:17 < Ultrasauce> nice results in any case, really like the sbs surface finish 2017-11-13T21:55:18 < PaulFertser> Ultrasauce: http://www.instructables.com/id/Is-3D-Printing-Safe-or-DIY-Testing-for-HCN-from-/ no good? 2017-11-13T21:55:24 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/OWGdG.jpg <- old pic, but I still have all the guts hanging outside the printer 2017-11-13T21:55:43 < PaulFertser> Ultrasauce: yes, and that's without any post-processing. That SBS glass is actually transparent if treated with an appropriate solvent. 2017-11-13T21:56:00 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/aMDbF.jpg <- bit newer pic 2017-11-13T21:56:06 < Ultrasauce> mkay i'll stop spreading FUD 2017-11-13T21:56:29 < BrainDamage> why none of you is printing buttplugs 2017-11-13T21:56:31 < PaulFertser> Ultrasauce: (safety) I mean it's not really a lab test, but still? 2017-11-13T21:57:08 < Ultrasauce> i remember reading it was significant but that might have been one specific batch or something 2017-11-13T21:57:29 < PaulFertser> zyp: so yours has Bowden extruder, in theory that gives better quality or speed. Nice case for the spool! 2017-11-13T21:57:39 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-13T21:57:57 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-13T21:58:00 < zyp> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2119644 <- this is the case 2017-11-13T21:58:04 < sync> I hear that the spring rate in a bowden extruder is an issue 2017-11-13T21:58:34 < Ultrasauce> there's a tradeoff there. lower end effector mass but it affects retraction 2017-11-13T21:58:51 < zyp> I don't think it helps at all on my printer, carriage is heavy as fuck 2017-11-13T21:59:51 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzeEk5_ky0 heres the only imagery i bothered to make of mine so far 2017-11-13T22:00:39 < PaulFertser> The article looks pretty legit though. 2017-11-13T22:00:42 < sync> I'll probably whack something up soom with linear motors just for fun 2017-11-13T22:00:44 < PaulFertser> (the one regarding HCN) 2017-11-13T22:01:05 < Ultrasauce> yeah I should stop parroting that shit as fact 2017-11-13T22:01:32 < zyp> I picked up a bunch of parts to do a custom corexy design, I just haven't bothered actually designing it yet 2017-11-13T22:01:38 < Ultrasauce> (ventilation is still a good idea) 2017-11-13T22:02:04 < PaulFertser> zyp: https://makerware.thingiverse.com/thing:2432536 :) 2017-11-13T22:02:19 < upgrdman> so are you guys just 3d printering figurines or is there a grand plan? 2017-11-13T22:02:40 < BrainDamage> fetish models is where it's at 2017-11-13T22:02:44 < Ultrasauce> the resultant surface is too porous for dildos so 2017-11-13T22:02:48 < Ultrasauce> you gotta make dildo molds 2017-11-13T22:03:02 < BrainDamage> well, you can smooth the surface post-printing 2017-11-13T22:03:15 < BrainDamage> sand blasting, chemical etching, etc 2017-11-13T22:03:22 < upgrdman> acetone vapor, iirc? 2017-11-13T22:03:28 < zyp> upgrdman, most useful stuff I've printed have been enclosures 2017-11-13T22:03:30 < Ultrasauce> I tried acetone vapour, it sort of worked 2017-11-13T22:03:34 < BrainDamage> that'd fall under chemical etching 2017-11-13T22:03:54 < upgrdman> zyp, got any pix of neat enclosures? 2017-11-13T22:04:00 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: my plan was to have a limited amount of mechanical tinkering with something that is not my motorbike. 2017-11-13T22:04:10 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, cool 2017-11-13T22:04:14 < Ultrasauce> I'm gonna make robot parts when I have free time again 2017-11-13T22:04:18 < zyp> upgrdman, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/7cInk.jpg <- here's some shit I found on thingiverse 2017-11-13T22:04:34 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: acetone is great for abs, yes. 2017-11-13T22:04:36 < BrainDamage> robot parts, or spare limb parts? 2017-11-13T22:04:43 < upgrdman> zyp, needs moar holes 2017-11-13T22:04:48 < zyp> haha 2017-11-13T22:05:00 < zyp> those took forever to print 2017-11-13T22:05:01 < upgrdman> triptiphoia or whatever the fucks its called 2017-11-13T22:05:23 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVlqjA1EKE4 2017-11-13T22:05:28 < Ultrasauce> I want to make that thing 2017-11-13T22:05:43 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/itHalL5R-G8/maxresdefault.jpg 2017-11-13T22:05:54 < upgrdman> heh 2017-11-13T22:06:52 < BrainDamage> Ultrasauce: do you really need full 3dof or is it more for masturbatory practices? 2017-11-13T22:07:34 < Ultrasauce> definitely the latter 2017-11-13T22:08:03 < Ultrasauce> a more traditional azimuth-elevation 2dof gimbal would be fine for most applications 2017-11-13T22:08:20 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, looks cool, but i must be missing something. why is that better than a gimbal? 2017-11-13T22:08:29 < Ultrasauce> just fuckin look at it dude 2017-11-13T22:08:36 < BrainDamage> because you don't have windup constrains 2017-11-13T22:10:24 < PaulFertser> (offtopic, mechanical curiosity, video) an unconventional CVT: http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/HFT/detail/ 2017-11-13T22:10:27 < Ultrasauce> a slightly less handwavey answer is that i want to get my head around parallel kinematics 2017-11-13T22:11:24 < BrainDamage> hydraulic swash plate is not that uncommon 2017-11-13T22:11:34 < BrainDamage> military vehicles actually often employ it 2017-11-13T22:12:21 < upgrdman> so i understand the purpose on a heli, but on a truck, what is a swashplate for? 2017-11-13T22:12:44 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: do you have a link with more explanations? I actually can't really figure out how it works from the video. And I can't understand what range of "gear ratios" it gives. 2017-11-13T22:12:47 < zyp> angle of swatchplate determines exchange rate 2017-11-13T22:12:50 < zyp> I figure 2017-11-13T22:13:18 < BrainDamage> yup, that's pretty much there is 2017-11-13T22:13:35 < upgrdman> exchange rate? 2017-11-13T22:13:40 < BrainDamage> it's kind of like a cone cvt, except of being friction actuated, it's hydraulic actuated 2017-11-13T22:13:50 < upgrdman> o 2017-11-13T22:13:51 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: torque ratio 2017-11-13T22:16:35 < BrainDamage> there's some fancy smancy hydraulic cvt where power transmission happens entirely trough working fluid 2017-11-13T22:17:00 < upgrdman> and the benefit of that is the only thing that wears out is easily replaced fluid? 2017-11-13T22:17:20 < zyp> the benefit is CVT 2017-11-13T22:17:32 < upgrdman> yes yes cvt, but that TYPE of cvt 2017-11-13T22:17:32 < zyp> no need for fixed steps 2017-11-13T22:18:17 < BrainDamage> by not relying on friction your operation parameters are way more constant in operational lifetime 2017-11-13T22:18:31 < upgrdman> ah ok 2017-11-13T22:18:38 < BrainDamage> friction ones instead increasingly drift over time as the parts wear out 2017-11-13T22:21:36 < BrainDamage> semi unrelated, do you guys also get tinnitus when moderately drunk? 2017-11-13T22:21:38 < PaulFertser> Is it true that some car manufacturers made automatic CVT control use steps because of clueless drivers' complaints? 2017-11-13T22:21:49 < upgrdman> yez 2017-11-13T22:22:13 < upgrdman> my dad is one of those weirdos :( 2017-11-13T22:22:23 < BrainDamage> stepping 'cvt', makes for a much more predictable driving experience 2017-11-13T22:22:36 < kakimir> BrainDam1: hey I actually understood that ac bridge thing 2017-11-13T22:22:41 < upgrdman> "i can't tell when it's shifting!" yes... thats a good thing. "but, but ..." 2017-11-13T22:23:10 < kakimir> it effectivelly eliminates frequencies other than the "carrier" 2017-11-13T22:23:17 < kakimir> it tunes into it like a radio 2017-11-13T22:23:26 < sync> PaulFertser: when you absolutely positively need to have a shitty drivetrain efficiency :D 2017-11-13T22:23:28 < zyp> it's kinda weird to drive a car that doesn't shift when you're used to it 2017-11-13T22:23:49 < BrainDamage> it does work like a radio, in fact most radios are built upon matched filtering 2017-11-13T22:23:52 < zyp> I remember I really noticed that when I test drove the e-golf 2017-11-13T22:24:08 < zyp> but it was not hard to get used to it not having to shift 2017-11-13T22:24:26 < kakimir> it sure picks frequencies close to actual modulation 2017-11-13T22:24:40 < sync> zyp: yeah, that is the nice thing about hybrids 2017-11-13T22:24:48 < kakimir> but it is the design problem to pick the frequency so that there is less noise 2017-11-13T22:24:48 < BrainDamage> i forgot what's the name of the effect, when you pump the pedal and it downshifts to increase torque, if i had automatic transmission I'd abuse it all the time 2017-11-13T22:24:56 < kakimir> kickdown 2017-11-13T22:25:00 < zyp> sync, for hybrids, it depends 2017-11-13T22:25:10 < sync> or well, e cars, but yes 2017-11-13T22:25:14 < zyp> GTE has a traditional DSG transmission 2017-11-13T22:25:30 < sync> yeah, I wondered why they did that 2017-11-13T22:25:31 < BrainDamage> kakimir: typically you just pick whatever's highest viable frequency or something a bit past corner's 2017-11-13T22:25:39 < sync> but the dsg is not so bad 2017-11-13T22:25:47 < sync> I dislike the factory codez on it tho 2017-11-13T22:25:54 < zyp> haha 2017-11-13T22:25:55 < kakimir> what is highest viable frequency then`? 2017-11-13T22:25:58 < sync> with it's microslip strategy 2017-11-13T22:26:01 < kakimir> what are limiting factors? 2017-11-13T22:26:05 < sync> ~its 2017-11-13T22:26:13 < zyp> microslip? 2017-11-13T22:26:37 < BrainDamage> kakimir: depends on your modulator, the problem of electronic ones is that you get back what you were trying to get rid of, the 1/f noise 2017-11-13T22:26:44 < upgrdman> my electricity was acting up again, and this time long enough for me to definitively figure out why. using split-phase ac (usa) and one end is intermittent, but got intermittent enough that it's now open circuit. 2017-11-13T22:26:44 < sync> yes, it lets the clutch slip a leeeetle tiiiiny bit so that it feels "softer" when you modulate the throttle 2017-11-13T22:26:57 < zyp> oh, heh 2017-11-13T22:27:04 < upgrdman> lets see how long it takes SCE to come out and fix their end 2017-11-13T22:27:14 < BrainDamage> electromechanical ones typically don't suffer from 1/f, but are limited in frequency, and are rather awkward to use 2017-11-13T22:27:40 < BrainDamage> so they don't give _extra_ 1/f, but can only shift up typically less than fc 2017-11-13T22:27:50 < sync> I made a replacement electrohydraulic module for a DQ500 once 2017-11-13T22:27:57 < sync> just bangs in the gears 2017-11-13T22:28:04 < sync> no tq limit, no nothing 2017-11-13T22:28:06 < BrainDamage> whenever to pick one or the the other becoemes an optimization problem 2017-11-13T22:28:24 < BrainDamage> my personal reccomendation is that you don't give a shit in 99.9% of the cases 2017-11-13T22:28:38 < PaulFertser> I've read an article how a guy spent the whole summer trying to obtain some old shitty windows ce pda (rebranded to honda pocket tester) and then to get/buy/obtain anyhow the corresponding windows application for it. Just to understand what's going on with that HFT on his motorbike. It refused to enter swash plate calibration mode because it had zeroes stored there in ECU. Once he finally managed 2017-11-13T22:28:44 < PaulFertser> to learn that he fixed the issue by connecting the transmission computer to another bike and doing calibration there. 2017-11-13T22:28:59 < sync> just cmc clutch material 2017-11-13T22:29:01 < PaulFertser> But what the hell is with all those manufacturers not providing proper service manuals and service software to their customers?! 2017-11-13T22:29:18 < PaulFertser> I am sometimes really glad I have zero amount of firmware in my motorbike. 2017-11-13T22:29:25 < zyp> PaulFertser, better buy an open source bike 2017-11-13T22:29:36 < BrainDamage> 3d print your drivetrain 2017-11-13T22:29:43 < Ultrasauce> rms was right dot jpg 2017-11-13T22:30:01 < sync> hahaha PaulFertser 2017-11-13T22:30:04 < sync> yeah 2017-11-13T22:30:47 < sync> I prefer german cars because of that 2017-11-13T22:30:56 < sync> I can read the leaked internal bosch documents 2017-11-13T22:31:20 < PaulFertser> zyp: some people actually use megasquirt or other ECUs with open source. 2017-11-13T22:31:25 < upgrdman> is bosch the oem or parent? 2017-11-13T22:31:31 < zyp> PaulFertser, I used to 2017-11-13T22:31:32 < sync> oem 2017-11-13T22:31:51 < zyp> the old ECU in my old car were failing, so I replaced it with a megasquirt 2017-11-13T22:31:56 < PaulFertser> sync: hm, is it possible to get some "API docs" for a specific Bosch ESP/ABS module? 2017-11-13T22:32:29 < sync> unfortunately there is no funktionsrahmen for those 2017-11-13T22:32:35 < sync> but you can get the firmware 2017-11-13T22:32:36 < zyp> hmm, I think I drove it with megasquirt for seven years or so 2017-11-13T22:33:01 < BrainDamage> do you guys have emission testing? 2017-11-13T22:33:03 < PaulFertser> Was it hard to get working properly? 2017-11-13T22:33:13 < zyp> BrainDamage, yes, it failed first time I had it in 2017-11-13T22:33:14 < BrainDamage> because here custom ECU have an hard time passing the emission testing 2017-11-13T22:33:23 < BrainDamage> probably by lack of cheating 2017-11-13T22:33:24 < zyp> took it home, retuned it and tried again, passed fine 2017-11-13T22:33:30 < sync> only if you tune it shitty BrainDamage 2017-11-13T22:33:49 < sync> closed loop O2 control at 14.7 afr will always get you through emissions 2017-11-13T22:34:06 < sync> depending on your catalyst generation you need some oxygen loading strateg 2017-11-13T22:34:12 < sync> y 2017-11-13T22:34:35 < zyp> PaulFertser, in what sense? 2017-11-13T22:35:09 < zyp> wire it up, change some config stuff, hope it works, tune it until you get tired of it 2017-11-13T22:35:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T22:35:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-13T22:35:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T22:36:14 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, the tuning part I meant. 2017-11-13T22:36:37 < sync> if you are not after most powar it is pretty easy 2017-11-13T22:36:40 < PaulFertser> sync: the ESP/ABS firmware? In binary or source form? 2017-11-13T22:36:43 < zyp> it's not hard to get it to run 2017-11-13T22:36:45 < sync> binary 2017-11-13T22:37:14 < sync> PaulFertser: which bosch generation of hydraulics? 2017-11-13T22:37:26 < PaulFertser> I wonder if it's possible to enable hill descent system for modules that have it disabled :) 2017-11-13T22:37:50 < sync> oh, hill descent 2017-11-13T22:37:52 < sync> probably. 2017-11-13T22:38:08 < PaulFertser> sync: 9th generation probably 2017-11-13T22:38:43 < sync> yeah I had not much luck with that recent stuff 2017-11-13T22:38:56 < sync> but older firmwarez are to be had in the bmw sp-daten 2017-11-13T22:39:23 < sync> I did develop a standalone pressure controller using an esp hydroblock a while back thp 2017-11-13T22:39:26 < BrainDamage> we need MPPT ecu 2017-11-13T22:39:34 < englishman> PaulFertser: i built two cars with megasquirt, back when it was new and interesting 2017-11-13T22:39:37 < englishman> works 2017-11-13T22:40:14 < englishman> it was probably the best $100 ecm, a decade ago 2017-11-13T22:41:01 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-13T22:41:03 < englishman> that's pretty cool zyp, what car 2017-11-13T22:41:10 < zyp> volvo 240 2017-11-13T22:41:13 < englishman> cool 2017-11-13T22:41:19 < englishman> you replaced that with egolf? 2017-11-13T22:41:24 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-13T22:41:24 < englishman> or was it earlier 2017-11-13T22:41:35 < zyp> no, I had it until last year 2017-11-13T22:41:42 < englishman> interesting 2017-11-13T22:41:50 < karlp> aandrew: that kemet capacitor video was awesome, thanks. super interesting. 2017-11-13T22:41:51 < englishman> i dailied that car too 2017-11-13T22:41:53 < sync> nice dorifto machine 2017-11-13T22:41:58 < zyp> same 2017-11-13T22:42:20 < zyp> sync, yeah, I kinda miss the RWD on snowy roads 2017-11-13T22:42:38 < sync> get a winter beater 240 2017-11-13T22:42:43 < sync> and weld the diff 2017-11-13T22:43:16 < zyp> maybe when I have space to keep a bunch of shit 2017-11-13T22:43:21 < BrainDamage> man, i wish i had a 4wd, there are some fucking sweet rally tracks here 2017-11-13T22:44:00 < BrainDamage> doing slideskids with a fwd is a fucking chore 2017-11-13T22:44:24 < zyp> then again, I got rid of the 240 because I didn't want the costs involved in keeping it :p 2017-11-13T22:44:26 < karlp> BrainDamage: interesting tinnitus question. 2017-11-13T22:44:55 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/1omyDuz.jpg 2017-11-13T22:44:59 < englishman> ^ meganitrous 2017-11-13T22:45:01 < karlp> it resonated with me, (hah) but yes, sometimes. but I'm not sure it's real or sympatethitic related to concert memories? 2017-11-13T22:45:10 < sync> BrainDamage: get a e36 dorifto missile 2017-11-13T22:45:15 < sync> ~an 2017-11-13T22:45:19 < sync> man my, typing sucks today 2017-11-13T22:45:20 < karlp> (also, I never really get tinnitus badly, just occasionally a reminder that i didn't take earplugs) 2017-11-13T22:45:42 < aandrew> karlp: yeah it was a good presentation 2017-11-13T22:45:48 < sync> I always have tinnitus, so idk 2017-11-13T22:46:20 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/9MRYr.JPG 2017-11-13T22:46:42 < aandrew> yeah I have tinnitus 2017-11-13T22:46:58 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/GJzVlLm.jpg 2017-11-13T22:46:58 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/OyNEXdx.jpg 2017-11-13T22:47:31 < englishman> so you still have it?> 2017-11-13T22:47:39 < aandrew> me? 2017-11-13T22:47:40 < englishman> wagon too 2017-11-13T22:47:44 < englishman> no, zup 2017-11-13T22:47:54 < zyp> englishman, no, I scrapped it before the annual fee were due last year 2017-11-13T22:47:58 < englishman> aww 2017-11-13T22:48:24 < zyp> inspection were due too, and I didn't want to drop any money on repairs to make it pass either 2017-11-13T22:49:46 < englishman> yeah if you don't have the space to store it for 20 years and then give it to your kids, :( 2017-11-13T22:49:59 < zyp> haha 2017-11-13T22:50:38 < zyp> I got it from my parents when they replaced it, I think there's a limit on how many generations a car can be passed down :p 2017-11-13T22:52:43 < vampi-the-frog> Volkswanken 2017-11-13T22:56:13 < vampi-the-frog> I hate cars 2017-11-13T22:56:20 < englishman> same 2017-11-13T22:56:24 < vampi-the-frog> there's way too many in my city and people don't have a parking place 2017-11-13T22:56:29 < vampi-the-frog> so all the streets are filled with cars 2017-11-13T22:56:37 < vampi-the-frog> everywhere you look, cars 2017-11-13T22:56:45 < BrainDamage> karlp: it's probably just jamming vastibular (Spelling?) signaling, as in alcohol does jam most neuroal signals, but on the ear-balance signal it gets mistranslated into audible range 2017-11-13T22:56:53 < vampi-the-frog> and I'm convinced that over half the owners don't even need a car 2017-11-13T22:57:13 < vampi-the-frog> vestibular 2017-11-13T22:57:33 < BrainDamage> well, a lot of things aren't needed, yet are used merely for convenience 2017-11-13T22:57:42 < vampi-the-frog> there should be a law saying you can't own a car if you don't have a parking place 2017-11-13T22:58:11 < upgrdman> vampi-the-frog, agreed 2017-11-13T22:58:34 < BrainDamage> the problem is not merely home residence parking 2017-11-13T22:58:43 < BrainDamage> workplace parking is another whole issue here 2017-11-13T22:58:59 < vampi-the-frog> well, the second iteration of the law is that you'd need a slip from your employer saying that you have a parking place 2017-11-13T22:59:01 < BrainDamage> cities here literally had to implement traffic restriction laws because of it 2017-11-13T22:59:10 < upgrdman> esp in so cal. so many ass holes that cant store their vehicle on their property, so they pakr on the street 2017-11-13T22:59:23 < upgrdman> its part of what makes poor neighborhoods so shitty looking. 2017-11-13T22:59:36 < upgrdman> no parking and lots of shit on the street 2017-11-13T23:00:16 < vampi-the-frog> there was an initiative promoting bike use at some point 2017-11-13T23:00:28 < vampi-the-frog> or ride sharing, I forget which it was, but it was meant to reduce car usage 2017-11-13T23:00:39 < vampi-the-frog> I'm not sure what effect that had 2017-11-13T23:00:46 < vampi-the-frog> but we still have very few actual bike lanes 2017-11-13T23:01:03 < BrainDamage> I'm all for bike promotion https://www.dropbox.com/s/amwejcjhoxpc7fd/out3.mkv?dl=1 2017-11-13T23:02:20 < vampi-the-frog> is that your road to work? 2017-11-13T23:02:32 < BrainDamage> no, it's what i do to relax after work 2017-11-13T23:03:00 < englishman> that's pretty quick for a segway 2017-11-13T23:03:25 < BrainDamage> 80km/h inline segay 2017-11-13T23:03:33 < vampi-the-frog> segay 2017-11-13T23:03:57 < BrainDamage> you can even hear the disk brakes overheating 2017-11-13T23:18:33 < kakimir> dd has been copying now broken hard drive for 5hours or so 2017-11-13T23:18:48 < BrainDamage> from or to? 2017-11-13T23:18:50 < kakimir> two hours ago it started copying one sector at time 2017-11-13T23:18:56 < kakimir> from 2017-11-13T23:19:01 < BrainDamage> if it's from, use ddrescue instead 2017-11-13T23:19:08 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-13T23:19:20 < kakimir> thanks 2017-11-13T23:19:21 < BrainDamage> because it can keep journal of try attempts, and retry reading multiple times until succeed 2017-11-13T23:19:32 < kakimir> do I start over? 2017-11-13T23:19:48 < kakimir> and is there any tricks.. cool the drive or so? 2017-11-13T23:20:20 < BrainDamage> cooling the drive *may* impact error probability, depending on the fault type 2017-11-13T23:21:14 < kakimir> at first it copied like chunks of data fast 2017-11-13T23:21:29 < BrainDamage> yes, that's the sane portions of disk 2017-11-13T23:21:33 < kakimir> then it slowed down time to time 2017-11-13T23:22:13 < kakimir> then it's completelly stalled now 2017-11-13T23:22:33 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: do you want me to print anything specific with any specific material (I also have plenty of PLA, and 10m of PETG, bronze, hips each)? 2017-11-13T23:22:35 < kakimir> do I effectivelly destroy the disc as I try to read it? 2017-11-13T23:22:46 < kakimir> is ddrescue any faster than dd btw? 2017-11-13T23:23:11 < PaulFertser> kakimir: most probably, yes, you destroy it, a damaged area emits more and more particles as you're trying to read it. 2017-11-13T23:23:36 < BrainDamage> ddrescure can be faster on /sane/ portion of the disk as you can tell it to skip portions of damaged parts of the disk and then retry later 2017-11-13T23:23:54 < PaulFertser> kakimir: ddrescue is way batter than dd for reading damaged disks as it skips unreadable sectors. dd will just slow to zero on bad areas and you're loosing everything after that. 2017-11-13T23:27:20 < sync> BrainDamage: that looks like a nice road to brap up and down on a tuned vespa 2017-11-13T23:28:18 < hesperaux> HI GUISE 2017-11-13T23:29:21 < BrainDamage> sync: it's actually a variant section of a bi-annual rally course it's held here 2017-11-13T23:32:01 < kakimir> how big will the logfile be? 2017-11-13T23:32:24 < BrainDamage> not large unless your disk is a clusterfuck, even then, few MB at most 2017-11-13T23:32:32 < BrainDamage> it will only store bad sector ranges 2017-11-13T23:35:10 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-13T23:35:13 < kakimir> not in gigabytes? 2017-11-13T23:35:19 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, PETG is my friend 2017-11-13T23:35:26 < kakimir> I have linux from usb stick so 2017-11-13T23:37:21 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: does it have any downsides compared to abs apart from the price? 2017-11-13T23:37:54 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, small ones...not anything worth caring about: you have to print it a bit slower 2017-11-13T23:38:50 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, it has no smell, is much stronger than ABS, and layer adhesion and bed adhesion is incredible. I printed something when I first switched to PETG, with just clean glass underneath. I tried to get the part off and ended up cracking my glass bed 2017-11-13T23:39:23 < hesperaux> so I use some hair spray before each print, to REDUCE bed adhesion a little. Absolutely no warping even on 6" square flat plates 2017-11-13T23:39:43 < hesperaux> as for price, it's only 2 or 3 bucks more than ABS 2017-11-13T23:40:32 < zyp> I'm not super impressed by PETG adhesion, I still have corners curling up :p 2017-11-13T23:40:32 < hesperaux> I have used about 15m or so of 3mm dark blue PETG from eSUN and have been very impressed. Seems very solid and consistent 2017-11-13T23:40:43 < hesperaux> zyp, interesting. You're probably not printing at the right temp 2017-11-13T23:40:45 < zyp> but I don't have a heatbed either 2017-11-13T23:40:50 < hesperaux> oh that's why 2017-11-13T23:41:23 < hesperaux> heatbed makes a huge difference. I run mine at about 80C for PETG and I run the hotend at 250-255C 2017-11-13T23:41:33 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: we have local good quality abs for 6.6 EUR / kg. 2017-11-13T23:41:36 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, one more down side there...have to print slightly hotter 2017-11-13T23:41:40 < zyp> I have hotend at 240 2017-11-13T23:41:47 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, that's dirt cheap 2017-11-13T23:42:12 < hesperaux> zyp, you'll have to print slower at 240 but that might help in your case without the heated bed 2017-11-13T23:42:27 < hesperaux> zyp, do you print with a brim? 2017-11-13T23:42:41 < zyp> I've tried that, didn't seem to help 2017-11-13T23:42:42 < ohsix> 1000jpy is 9.11 usd rn 2017-11-13T23:42:59 < hesperaux> I had major warping annoyances with ABS and printing with a 5-10mm brim helped a lot (didn't completely remove the problem) 2017-11-13T23:43:13 < hesperaux> zyp, also maybe printing your first layer at 255C, then go down to 240, along with the brim 2017-11-13T23:44:07 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, hard to justify the cost of PETG to you at that price for ABS. But not having cancer is pretty nice 2017-11-13T23:44:32 < hesperaux> from what I could find on particulate studies, PETG has the least of the popular filaments 2017-11-13T23:44:38 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/8RWIa24.png 2017-11-13T23:44:41 < hesperaux> not many studies exist though 2017-11-13T23:44:59 < hesperaux> englishman, this picture is depressing 2017-11-13T23:45:11 < hesperaux> 50G. lol. Cool story bro 2017-11-13T23:45:38 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: petg is 20 EUR / kg (from another local factory) 2017-11-13T23:45:46 < zyp> I haven't tried ABS, but for me it's easy to justify PETG over PLA 2017-11-13T23:45:52 < zyp> I don't like the brittleness of PLA 2017-11-13T23:46:03 < kakimir> letting dd to run on broken drive for 5hours 2017-11-13T23:46:03 < hesperaux> never tried PLA. I have a spool but never actually unwrapped it 2017-11-13T23:46:16 < kakimir> I fucked it up didn't I? 2017-11-13T23:46:18 < englishman> PLA is early 3dicking tech really 2017-11-13T23:46:32 -!- scrotal_b_ [sid118777@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skncfdbvtxnycdiv] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T23:46:47 < englishman> speaking of which 2017-11-13T23:46:49 < hesperaux> kakimir, you can mount the bin file you have and see what can be got. In the mean time, I'd switch to using ddrescue and see what happens 2017-11-13T23:46:57 < englishman> scrotal_b_: can you link the amazon weed wacker filamant 2017-11-13T23:47:03 < PaulFertser> kakimir: probably so, but still worth a retry with ddrescue 2017-11-13T23:47:05 < BrainDamage> kakimir: not necessarily 2017-11-13T23:47:17 < BrainDamage> but again, use ddrescue 2017-11-13T23:47:31 < hesperaux> it sounds like you probably have a valid partition table and filesystem (unless you have multiple partitions spread across the disk) 2017-11-13T23:47:59 < kakimir> partition table is okay 2017-11-13T23:48:03 < kakimir> filesystem is fucked 2017-11-13T23:48:11 < hesperaux> hmm 2017-11-13T23:48:14 < kakimir> I did see once file browser to open 2017-11-13T23:48:30 < kakimir> and then it went away 5sec later 2017-11-13T23:48:36 < hesperaux> I was talking about the filesystem in the bin file you dd'd 2017-11-13T23:49:17 < hesperaux> what I would do is keep the dd'd bin, create a second one with ddrescue. Later on, copy the ddrescue bin to a backup and then mount the bin as a loop device and do an fsck 2017-11-13T23:50:07 < hesperaux> and you can do the same thing for the dd'd bin to see if you can get more out of it 2017-11-13T23:50:19 < hesperaux> what FS is this? 2017-11-13T23:50:59 < kakimir> ntfs 2017-11-13T23:51:04 < hesperaux> >_> 2017-11-13T23:51:12 < kakimir> ddrescue seems to be doing grate jobb 2017-11-13T23:51:18 < kakimir> it's not stalling 2017-11-13T23:51:29 < kakimir> rescued data amount is looking good also 2017-11-13T23:51:30 < hesperaux> so in your case, you would I have no idea because it's NTFS 2017-11-13T23:51:42 < hesperaux> can you run a chkdsk program from linux? :/ 2017-11-13T23:51:48 -!- scrotal_b [sid118777@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdltbtmchndfluvi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-13T23:51:48 -!- fest [~fest@188.226.203.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-13T23:51:49 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@2a02:c200:1:10:3:0:8071:1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-13T23:51:49 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-13T23:51:49 -!- ReadError [sid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdqekjuvoceudvnd] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-13T23:51:56 -!- scrotal_b_ is now known as scrotal_b 2017-11-13T23:52:00 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T23:52:04 < hesperaux> I'm not aware of a way to mount a disk image from dd in windows to chkdsk it 2017-11-13T23:52:29 < kakimir> it's almost past the point dd stalled to 2017-11-13T23:52:37 < kakimir> miracle 2017-11-13T23:52:43 < hesperaux> cool 2017-11-13T23:53:06 < kakimir> it stalled to 14GB and ddrescue is already at 12GB 2017-11-13T23:53:35 < BrainDamage> kakimir: remember also that even if the disk is damaged, and the data is unrecoverable, unless you've been ridicolously unlucky and it damaged very important data, the damage tends to be limited 2017-11-13T23:53:38 -!- fest [~fest@188.226.203.53] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-13T23:53:45 < BrainDamage> which means, some files will be lost, but most will be ok --- Day changed Tue Nov 14 2017 2017-11-14T00:00:05 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ccoldhvwsxkxffxr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-14T00:03:49 < kakimir> ddrescue stalled to same area than dd 2017-11-14T00:04:09 < kakimir> it justgot there 3hours earlier 2017-11-14T00:04:39 < kakimir> can i order it to jump over it? 2017-11-14T00:06:13 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tilzdboilnqqdihb] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T00:07:38 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T00:10:23 < kakimir> it seems to be reading it even slower than dd 2017-11-14T00:10:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T00:11:45 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T00:14:59 < kakimir> oh 2017-11-14T00:15:05 < kakimir> it got over it 2017-11-14T00:16:30 < Ultrasauce> it goes slow because it tries multiple times when things fail, instead of just hanging and then shitting the bed 2017-11-14T00:18:41 < upgrdman> is there any reason why ethernet PHYs are *not* usually integrated into the mcu? 2017-11-14T00:19:21 < sync> probably cost and power reasons 2017-11-14T00:19:36 < sync> and possibly size issues 2017-11-14T00:19:36 < upgrdman> phy's are high power? 2017-11-14T00:19:47 < sync> well, they are linedrivers basically 2017-11-14T00:19:59 < sync> pushing and pulling on the transformer 2017-11-14T00:20:35 < kakimir> I go with -r1 at first as recommended 2017-11-14T00:33:25 < upgrdman> any car pros in here? if i want tires that have a little better traction, how do i find them? 2017-11-14T00:33:40 < sync> what do you have now? 2017-11-14T00:33:45 < upgrdman> like is the rubber compound part of the model #, or do i just have to read reviews and hope theres not too many idiots 2017-11-14T00:33:46 < sync> and when do you want more traction? 2017-11-14T00:34:00 < upgrdman> sync, more traction during breaking and turning 2017-11-14T00:34:13 < upgrdman> and i have Barum 2017-11-14T00:34:13 < upgrdman> Brillantis 2 2017-11-14T00:34:13 < upgrdman> 195 /60 R15 88H SL BSW 2017-11-14T00:34:22 < sync> there is the error 2017-11-14T00:34:31 < upgrdman> ya, cheap shit, huh? 2017-11-14T00:34:36 < sync> barum is conti but cheapshit 2017-11-14T00:34:42 < upgrdman> conti? 2017-11-14T00:34:47 < sync> continental 2017-11-14T00:35:53 < sync> conti premiumcontact 5 has been ok for regular use 2017-11-14T00:36:51 < kakimir> are you looking for summer tyres? 2017-11-14T00:36:59 < kakimir> winter tyres? 2017-11-14T00:37:00 < sync> he is in cali 2017-11-14T00:37:03 < sync> so basically no winter 2017-11-14T00:37:22 < kakimir> upgrdman is cali man? 2017-11-14T00:37:24 < kakimir> cool 2017-11-14T00:37:27 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-14T00:37:42 < sync> yokohama advan neova ad08 has also been good for me 2017-11-14T00:37:52 < kakimir> I have continental premiumcontact 5 set for summer 2017-11-14T00:37:57 < upgrdman> and yes, winter == put a thin jacket over my t-shirt 2017-11-14T00:39:05 < upgrdman> hmm at the shop i go to, they have lots of cheap shit tires in stock, and the only "name brand" ones they have in stock are some Falken Pro G4 A/S which is 200% the price 2017-11-14T00:39:05 < sync> if you want wtf is that size 2017-11-14T00:39:29 < sync> yes, expect to pay more than you are used to 2017-11-14T00:39:38 < upgrdman> barums are ~$50 each 2017-11-14T00:39:51 < upgrdman> i guess i should stop being a cheap jew 2017-11-14T00:40:00 < upgrdman> whats reasonable? $90 each? 2017-11-14T00:40:31 < sync> idk, the contis are like 60€ here 2017-11-14T00:40:34 < sync> and they are ok tires 2017-11-14T00:40:48 < sync> ad08-r runn ~140€ 2017-11-14T00:40:55 < upgrdman> damn 2017-11-14T00:40:58 < sync> direzza 03G 225€ 2017-11-14T00:41:20 < sync> but those are high performance tires 2017-11-14T00:41:49 < upgrdman> i mainly want better breaking. for some retarded reason my 2005 car does NOT have abs 2017-11-14T00:41:59 < upgrdman> i didnt even know cars were still sold without abs 2017-11-14T00:42:00 < upgrdman> lol 2017-11-14T00:42:18 < sync> your braking distance is not going to go down with abs 2017-11-14T00:42:29 < upgrdman> orly? 2017-11-14T00:42:33 < sync> yarly 2017-11-14T00:42:37 < ohsix> sup 2017-11-14T00:43:23 < sync> modern abs will be very close to the optimum slip ratio but that is all your tire is going to give you 2017-11-14T00:43:41 < sync> you cannot exceed the circle of forces with it 2017-11-14T00:44:02 < sync> learn how to threshold brake 2017-11-14T00:44:22 < sync> and replace those asphalt cutting disks with something good 2017-11-14T00:45:17 < ohsix> you can look on the side wall for the rubber composition 2017-11-14T00:45:33 < ohsix> the 'better grip' ones that are soft for winter driving has their own snowflake marks 2017-11-14T00:45:41 < PaulFertser> sync: probably his distance will go down if upgrdman is used to break by skidding :) 2017-11-14T00:45:53 < upgrdman> lol 2017-11-14T00:46:17 < sync> ohsix: "soft" compounds will be out of their working range in upgrdman-weather 2017-11-14T00:46:28 < upgrdman> sync, yes i learned long ago about how to threshold break 2017-11-14T00:46:53 < upgrdman> but it still sucks not having abs. i actually have to think when i brake hard. i have to THINK. the horror. 2017-11-14T00:46:56 < sync> brake 2017-11-14T00:46:58 < sync> :D 2017-11-14T00:47:11 < upgrdman> ya fuck me. brake* 2017-11-14T00:47:21 < sync> well, get a car with abs then 2017-11-14T00:47:33 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: imagine a motorbike that lacks abs then. Block the front wheel for a second (or much less if you're in a turn) -> fall. 2017-11-14T00:47:55 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-14T00:48:02 < englishman> what 2005 car doesnt have abs? 2017-11-14T00:48:07 < upgrdman> sync, thats planned 2017-11-14T00:48:07 < PaulFertser> A US one :) 2017-11-14T00:48:16 < upgrdman> englishman, inorite. 2005 toyota celica gt. 2017-11-14T00:48:35 < upgrdman> abs was optional, and back then i didnt know shit and didnt think to get it. 2017-11-14T00:49:04 < englishman> pad and rotor upgrade might be in order if you want better braking 2017-11-14T00:49:06 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: on a car, can't you just lock the wheels then depress a bit? 2017-11-14T00:49:17 < englishman> or are you locking up 2017-11-14T00:49:23 < sync> can you actually lock the brakes or are you traction limited? 2017-11-14T00:49:33 < sync> like the golf was when the brakes got hot 2017-11-14T00:49:33 < upgrdman> no i can lock both front wheels 2017-11-14T00:49:36 < upgrdman> if i try 2017-11-14T00:49:39 < englishman> maybe leave a little more room between you and the car in front of you 2017-11-14T00:49:52 < sync> are your tire pressures reasonable? 2017-11-14T00:49:54 < ohsix> just having your brakes inspected to see if a cylinder is blown out can double your braking perf, olol (my car, few months ago) 2017-11-14T00:50:03 < upgrdman> englishman, hey hey hey. i drive like an asshole, and as an american, that's my right. 2017-11-14T00:50:09 < upgrdman> sync, yes 2017-11-14T00:50:18 < upgrdman> i can brake fine. 2017-11-14T00:50:23 < upgrdman> its just that it could be better. 2017-11-14T00:50:33 < upgrdman> it was much better on the original tires. 2017-11-14T00:50:37 < sync> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/eeeeee.mp4 it was interesting to see how the sidewall flexes 2017-11-14T00:50:39 < sync> yeah 2017-11-14T00:50:40 < upgrdman> so these shit berums are shit 2017-11-14T00:50:41 < sync> get nonshit tires 2017-11-14T00:50:44 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-14T00:50:52 < upgrdman> THATS WHY IM ASKING IN HERE :) 2017-11-14T00:51:03 < ohsix> abs application is proportional and newer cars will detect slip with the same sensors, so it may not even matter for most of the driving you do; and you can just avoid the worst-case 2017-11-14T00:51:41 < ohsix> you slip on naked pavement too, if you're doing xxxxxxxtreme braking that will have abs leaving chirp marks 2017-11-14T00:51:59 < englishman> here get these 2017-11-14T00:52:00 < englishman> https://shop.hoosiertire.com/index.php/circuit-racing/22-0x-8-0-13-r35a-a2500.html 2017-11-14T00:52:02 < sync> ohsix: it was always like that. just the newest hydroblocks are capable of modulating the pressure by using the valves in position mode 2017-11-14T00:52:03 < upgrdman> yay for chirp marks 2017-11-14T00:52:08 < englishman> just make sure you get them warm 2017-11-14T00:52:17 < upgrdman> englishman, lol 2017-11-14T00:52:27 < upgrdman> is hankook decent? 2017-11-14T00:52:33 < upgrdman> they $5 more than my shit barums 2017-11-14T00:52:40 < englishman> all mfgrs make cheap shitty tires 2017-11-14T00:52:42 < sync> depends on the tire 2017-11-14T00:52:44 < sync> yeah 2017-11-14T00:52:55 < upgrdman> Hankook 2017-11-14T00:52:55 < upgrdman> Optimo H724 2017-11-14T00:52:55 < upgrdman> P 195 /60 R15 87T SL BSW 2017-11-14T00:53:01 < sync> just get the premiumcontacts and be fine 2017-11-14T00:53:04 < ohsix> if you want to actually know, find out the compositions and compare them; their business is obfuscating the benefit of the not-baseline tires 2017-11-14T00:53:06 < sync> they are a good tire 2017-11-14T00:53:32 < ohsix> i wouldn't be surprised if SAE just said what types of tire compositions were road legal 2017-11-14T00:54:47 < ohsix> http://topics.sae.org/tires-and-traction/standards/ wish i had time to look at 612 standards relating to tires and traction 2017-11-14T00:56:09 < ohsix> 3d pritner failed in a fun way and it's given me a break from it, but it's funny to talk about it with people who are supposed to know electronics 2017-11-14T00:56:33 < ohsix> the resistance in the connector was high enough to melt the connector and they're misattributing that as the defect 2017-11-14T00:56:48 < ohsix> the connector is beefy af and fails safe compared to any other component in there 2017-11-14T00:56:58 < scrotal_b> Hi 2017-11-14T00:57:27 < ohsix> there would have been a fire if the connector was rated higher just to handle that worst-case contact resistance 2017-11-14T00:58:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, using a connector as a FUSE sounds kinda fucked 2017-11-14T00:58:35 < ohsix> it wasn't something that could be fused 2017-11-14T00:59:06 < ohsix> the connector got hot in preference to anything else due to the way it was assebmled & how the cabling was done, when the thing it was hooked to had a 100% duty cycle for hours 2017-11-14T00:59:19 < ohsix> which doesn't happen in normal use, and only happens when the thermistor fails 2017-11-14T01:00:20 < upgrdman> typical 3d printer, designed by non-engineers. do they even redundancy bro. 2017-11-14T01:00:30 < upgrdman> if one failure can lead to a fire... 2017-11-14T01:00:30 < ohsix> the software may be able to try and be clever by tracking duty cycle and keeping track of the wire diameters and shit, but that's almost always going to be wrong with people fucking around with their own 2017-11-14T01:00:37 < ohsix> it can't in this printer 2017-11-14T01:00:44 < ohsix> that's the entire pointttttttttttt 2017-11-14T01:05:21 < ohsix> you can argue lots of shit should have been done with the failure in mind and stuff but disregarding a design decision that was intended in the case of failure is dumb 2017-11-14T01:05:52 < ohsix> if you measured the connector housing temperature or something, that thermistor can fail too; and you're just adding another failure point 2017-11-14T01:06:28 < upgrdman> ohsix, seems pretty dumb to me to DESIGN a connector that will knowingly get hot in normal use. 2017-11-14T01:07:24 < upgrdman> current monitoring + a little math = problem solved 2017-11-14T01:07:42 < upgrdman> of course that'd increase the BoM cost by $1 so no one would buy it then 2017-11-14T01:09:10 < upgrdman> im kinda surprised someone house has not burnt down, leading to a 3d printer lawsuit 2017-11-14T01:09:21 < upgrdman> considering how shit a lot of the controllers are 2017-11-14T01:10:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: it's not normal use 2017-11-14T01:10:36 < ohsix> and current monitoring isn't going to tell you anything 2017-11-14T01:10:57 < ohsix> you are driving the heater 2017-11-14T01:11:06 < ohsix> it only becomes a problem when it does it for 10 hours 2017-11-14T01:12:04 < upgrdman> yes. and for a give booty cycle, there should be a corresponding current. if its off by x%, theres a problem. and you can also integrate that to get an estimate of the energy dumped into the bed so it doesnt burn if you drive it at 100% for hours 2017-11-14T01:12:13 < ohsix> worst case scenario is assumed ruining the build plate or the heater under it 2017-11-14T01:12:24 < ohsix> . 2017-11-14T01:13:08 < ohsix> the duty cycle being 100% sometimes, even for long stretches of time, isn't wrong 2017-11-14T01:13:10 < ohsix> or an error 2017-11-14T01:13:33 < ohsix> you start harming the performance of the thing in the name of a slightly tangible safety benefit 2017-11-14T01:13:51 < upgrdman> no fire == slightly tangible? good to know. 2017-11-14T01:14:09 < ohsix> you're also missing that there is no fire because of the connector failing in preference to everything else 2017-11-14T01:14:14 < ohsix> that's why this is maddening 2017-11-14T01:14:23 < ohsix> even when i tell you what is happening you missed it :p 2017-11-14T01:14:37 < upgrdman> ya i get that, but it seems like a dirty hack. 2017-11-14T01:14:41 < ohsix> not even the smoke came out of the connector 2017-11-14T01:14:53 < ohsix> the plastics and shit in the connector constrained the damage 2017-11-14T01:15:15 < upgrdman> unless that connector manuf's specifically designed it to perform like that, relying on a connector to melt is bad. 2017-11-14T01:15:17 < ohsix> there is a current sense for the other wires failing 2017-11-14T01:15:42 < ohsix> it didn't melt, and connectors have spefications in the plastics for flammability 2017-11-14T01:15:54 < ohsix> it turns into a foam 2017-11-14T01:16:48 < ohsix> well, i guess as part of doing that it technically melted a little; has to expand when offgassing 2017-11-14T01:17:28 < ohsix> you'd still prefer the connector to fail than any of the expensive parts, like the controller or controller driver 2017-11-14T01:18:02 < ohsix> you overbuild all the things but the connector, the connector is rated for average use & flammability shit; it fails first, that's not too different from what a fuse does 2017-11-14T01:18:56 < ohsix> people see this type of failure in shit they're using and they put a bigger connector onto it 2017-11-14T01:19:17 < ohsix> they don't even consider that they're moving the 'fuse' around 2017-11-14T01:19:58 < ohsix> it's not just 3d printers either; there's a larger point about how people don't know any better do things ;] 2017-11-14T01:20:06 < ohsix> people put paperclips in fuse holders and shit 2017-11-14T01:20:53 < englishman> www.digikey.ca’s server DNS address could not be found. 2017-11-14T01:20:54 < englishman> wtf 2017-11-14T01:20:58 < englishman> this is happening a lot today 2017-11-14T01:21:10 < ohsix> people can't think very well about stuff that is designed to fail, it's almost like a fixation 2017-11-14T01:21:40 < ohsix> think about those bolts at the bottom of road signs, they're designed to snap so the sign doesn't fucking kill you when you hit it, huhuhu 2017-11-14T01:22:06 < ohsix> people get annoyed that a sign keeps falling down, they reinforce it every time they put it back up; someone dies 2017-11-14T01:22:21 < Ultrasauce> maybe dont crash into signs 2017-11-14T01:23:07 < upgrdman> ++ 2017-11-14T01:23:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T01:24:30 < ohsix> that's also moving the problem from where it actually is 2017-11-14T01:24:35 < ohsix> driving a car is not safe 2017-11-14T01:24:52 < ohsix> even someone who is awesome and drives well will hit a sign 2017-11-14T01:24:58 < Ultrasauce> you know there's such a thing as a thermal fuse right? 2017-11-14T01:25:02 < ohsix> the only way to not have that risk is for the same person not to drive 2017-11-14T01:25:11 < ohsix> yes 2017-11-14T01:25:29 < ohsix> but those need to be near to or attached to a mass that actually heats enough to trigger it 2017-11-14T01:25:31 < Ultrasauce> so why is relying on the failure of the connector to serve that purpose ok in your books 2017-11-14T01:25:49 < Ultrasauce> like, say, the print bed? 2017-11-14T01:26:15 < ohsix> if the print bed failed the same way that led to this connector it'd be expensive and cause a lot of smoke 2017-11-14T01:26:31 < ohsix> the print bed can do 10 hours at 100% duty cycle 2017-11-14T01:26:47 < Ultrasauce> the point is to keep it from doing that.... 2017-11-14T01:27:07 < Ultrasauce> ugh why am I even doing this 2017-11-14T01:27:11 < ohsix> are you forgetting what can happen to the thermistor 2017-11-14T01:27:30 < ohsix> 3d print jobs can run for days 2017-11-14T01:27:37 < englishman> all fuses are thermal fuses 2017-11-14T01:27:53 < Laurenceb_> troll fuse 2017-11-14T01:43:34 -!- ReadError [sid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vrzsnbqrcupjprcw] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T01:44:11 < PaulFertser> ohsix: marlin and repetier 3d printer firmwares have fire prevention logic integrated and enabled: if regulator is getting far too unexpected results, it just disconnects the heater altogether. 2017-11-14T01:44:32 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T01:45:06 < Laurenceb_> No assumption should go unchallenged. We could test the assumption that all modules receive the SOF at the same time by having an output briefly set high when an SOF is received. With multiple modules connected we should see the same GPIO on all modules go high at the same time on an oscilloscope 2017-11-14T01:45:07 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-14T01:45:15 < Laurenceb_> we just went full retard 2017-11-14T01:46:16 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T01:49:27 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T01:52:27 < sync> o0 Laurenceb_ 2017-11-14T01:52:45 < Laurenceb_> wurk email 2017-11-14T01:53:13 < Laurenceb_> "oh noes our sensors might get misaligned, lets ignore that this was one of the first things that was addressed" 2017-11-14T01:54:35 < PaulFertser> ohsix: and 100% duty cycle for hours is of course not good, you need some headroom. 2017-11-14T01:56:41 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T01:58:50 < Laurenceb_> how do I usb 2017-11-14T01:58:56 < Laurenceb_> how usb formed 2017-11-14T02:00:07 < sync> I'll have to deal with this soon 2017-11-14T02:16:45 < ohsix> PaulFertser: and it did 2017-11-14T02:16:51 < ohsix> but that doesn't cover all failure modes 2017-11-14T02:17:27 < ohsix> being able to do 100% duty cycle for 10 hours is headroom 2017-11-14T02:22:13 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, SOF of what? ethernet? 2017-11-14T02:22:22 < upgrdman> or is this your usb project 2017-11-14T02:23:29 < Laurenceb_> usb yeah 2017-11-14T02:24:22 < upgrdman> hmm i never even thought about that. with a usb hub, talking to multiple device at the "same time" ... would the packets be interleaved in time? or truely parallel? 2017-11-14T02:25:11 < aandrew> upgrdman: everything is interleaved. there is only one data pair 2017-11-14T02:25:24 < upgrdman> oh ya. doh. 2017-11-14T02:26:54 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: but SOF is aligned 2017-11-14T02:27:05 < Laurenceb_> its in the spec, which is why the email is full retard 2017-11-14T02:27:08 < upgrdman> hmm k 2017-11-14T02:28:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-14T02:36:23 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T02:41:19 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/y8hgOoN 2017-11-14T02:46:48 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T02:58:01 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T02:59:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T03:02:41 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-14T03:03:01 < kakimir> movie recommd: sicario 2017-11-14T03:05:00 < englishman> it was good 2017-11-14T03:05:14 < englishman> villeneuve's last good film 2017-11-14T03:05:52 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T03:06:27 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T03:12:20 < ohsix> has he done another one already? or did he die or wut 2017-11-14T03:17:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T03:18:42 < kakimir> blade runner 2017-11-14T03:30:07 < ohsix> PaulFertser: about the only thing you can do is a sanity check on the range of the temp sensor, that handles open circuit and stuff too 2017-11-14T03:30:22 < ohsix> but they can fail in a way where the value is sane but it bears little resemblance to the temperature it's measuring 2017-11-14T03:40:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-14T03:43:26 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-31-109.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-14T03:44:53 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-31-109.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T03:58:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah but what if the SOF is misaligned 2017-11-14T03:58:21 < Laurenceb_> what about that then eh? Bet you never though of that one did you 2017-11-14T03:59:04 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-14T04:01:36 < ohsix> god raspbian sucks so much balls 2017-11-14T04:01:47 < ohsix> i get that people mostly ignore this shit when they use one, but fuck 2017-11-14T04:01:56 < ohsix> they even do stupid shit like using realvnc 2017-11-14T04:04:03 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T04:04:31 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T04:05:42 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T04:09:24 < Laurenceb_> I bet SOF is synchronised on raspberry pi 2017-11-14T04:11:23 < Laurenceb_> do you even SOF bro? 2017-11-14T05:09:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-14T05:16:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T05:26:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T05:30:28 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-14T06:00:03 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T06:03:51 < stvn> my motherfucking pussy got motherfucking snapped 2017-11-14T06:12:29 < Ultrasauce> ouch 2017-11-14T06:13:58 < stvn> sup mate 2017-11-14T06:15:44 < Ultrasauce> all of my orifices are intact 2017-11-14T06:16:16 < stvn> who said orifice 2017-11-14T06:16:37 < Ultrasauce> except the leaky hole in my brain eugh 2017-11-14T06:16:41 < Ultrasauce> gotta stop doing 16 hour days 2017-11-14T06:16:51 < Ultrasauce> with that i am gone 2017-11-14T06:25:27 < stvn> yeah 2017-11-14T06:25:34 < stvn> smoked 2017-11-14T06:33:38 < stvn> r2 2017-11-14T07:05:52 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T07:08:54 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T07:21:00 -!- day_ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T07:24:01 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T07:24:04 -!- day_ is now known as daey 2017-11-14T07:30:57 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-14T07:31:29 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T07:47:32 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T07:51:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T07:58:16 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-14T08:00:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T08:05:43 < stvn> STFFN 2017-11-14T08:10:11 < ohsix> boobies 2017-11-14T08:30:15 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-14T08:42:48 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T08:52:21 < ohsix> mmcli 2017-11-14T08:52:22 < ohsix> er 2017-11-14T08:52:45 < ohsix> huh 2017-11-14T08:52:48 < ohsix> fuckign cool 2017-11-14T08:53:07 < ohsix> only heard hate about modem manager but you can send sms and do everything with one of the radios with mmcli 2017-11-14T08:54:36 < ohsix> i gotta write some junk to have it talk to the simtech uart modules to do a thing 'right' 2017-11-14T08:56:31 < PaulFertser> ohsix: I'm afraid I didn't manage to get through my point regarding fire prevention logic 2017-11-14T08:59:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-14T08:59:18 < PaulFertser> ohsix: if the temperature doesn't increase more than the setpoint even with 100% duty cycle it means the heater has no headroom at all, the setpoint is far too high. In normal conditions the temperature sensor should be showing changes based on what you do with the heater. And regulator (PID or other type) should certainly be able to detect the case when results are unexpected. 2017-11-14T09:01:20 < qyx> ohsix: modemmanager/networkmanager worked for me out of box even for the china m590 modules (over uart) 2017-11-14T09:16:49 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T09:17:21 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T09:20:50 < qyx> why the hell does a c library depend on an external typedef struct with a such generic name like Network 2017-11-14T09:21:31 < qyx> and therefore is not compilable until you write a declaraton for it 2017-11-14T09:21:44 < qyx> and somehow make it visible in the library headers 2017-11-14T09:23:05 < qyx> also wtf, there is no indication what the struct should contain unless you read the examples or the library code itself 2017-11-14T09:24:31 < zyp> quality lib 2017-11-14T09:24:38 < qyx> ibm quality, paho-mqtt 2017-11-14T09:24:47 < zyp> ah 2017-11-14T09:25:31 < qyx> seems like I cannot easily use it without touching as a submodule 2017-11-14T09:25:59 < qyx> was it you I was talking about those mqtt libraries? 2017-11-14T09:26:03 < qyx> *to 2017-11-14T09:27:20 < zyp> idk, maybe 2017-11-14T09:27:42 < zyp> I've talked about mqtt, but I don't really have much experience with libs, I've only used hbmqtt 2017-11-14T09:30:23 < ohsix> PaulFertser: the feedback through the thermistor is all that really says what the duty cycle is 2017-11-14T09:30:36 < ohsix> qyx: cool 2017-11-14T09:31:12 < PaulFertser> ohsix: hm, I assumed the duty cycle is not feedback, it's actually the control signal that board outputs to a FET connected to a heater. 2017-11-14T09:31:17 < ohsix> is that Network shenanigans part of how you implement the host side of some embedded junk? 2017-11-14T09:31:45 < ohsix> PaulFertser: the duty cycle is an artifact of the implementation, the set point is a temperature, the thermistor a temperature sensor 2017-11-14T09:32:01 < qyx> wolfmqtt looks better 2017-11-14T09:33:19 < PaulFertser> ohsix: ok, and I'm saying that if the regulator is turning the heater ON for, say, 5 consequitive minutes and the temperature sensor doesn't show a rise, then it's safe to assume something is wrong and disable the heater altogether. 2017-11-14T09:36:40 < ohsix> that depends on the setpoint, that's probably true / a good rule of thumb for a known physical configuration when all your ducks are in a row 2017-11-14T09:38:37 < ohsix> it would probably have to be longer than 5 minutes, if you're operating right on the edge and 100% actually happens occasionally, things like central air coming on are going to change operation of the shit on tha torder of time 2017-11-14T09:39:02 < ohsix> you can't mess with the actual printing unless there's literally a fire imminent huhuh 2017-11-14T09:41:57 < PaulFertser> ohsix: well, that's my point, you shouldn't be operating right on the edge in the first place. Then this logic would just work and chances of fire would be minimised. 2017-11-14T09:42:27 < ohsix> it's not a contrived situation, control system stuff kind of works on assurances that parts won't be likely to fail, like the sensors 2017-11-14T09:43:29 < ohsix> PaulFertser: why 5 minutes? being 'overbuilt' and my guess at 10 hours is a lot less intrusive 2017-11-14T09:44:24 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T09:46:16 < PaulFertser> ohsix: less intrusive but less safe also. For repetier fw default decouple test time is 20 seconds for extruder heater, 300 seconds for bed. If temperature doesn't rise 0.1C, too bad, the print should be stopped. Better be safe than sorry. 2017-11-14T09:46:59 < jpa-> thermal fuses seems like the obvious solution 2017-11-14T09:47:24 < jpa-> and instead of hard stop, just pause the print so that it can be continued without problems if it was a false alarm 2017-11-14T09:48:13 < PaulFertser> How would a thermal fuse detect if my heater would slip off from the heater block? 2017-11-14T09:48:29 < jpa-> true 2017-11-14T09:48:53 < ohsix> PaulFertser: the thermistor can fail in a way that the temperature change correlates with a reading change, but it is not the actual temperature 2017-11-14T09:49:07 < PaulFertser> That's why it's called "decoupling" detection. Tries to detect when thermistor is thermally decoupled from heater. 2017-11-14T09:49:10 < ohsix> and the thermistor can be working fine, but the connection can be failing 2017-11-14T09:49:35 < ohsix> either way you get feedback that keeps the process going 2017-11-14T09:50:04 < ohsix> thermal fuse would be a great idea if there was a place to put one 2017-11-14T09:50:17 < ohsix> it doubles as an obvious safety device 2017-11-14T09:50:42 < ohsix> hm 2017-11-14T09:50:50 < PaulFertser> So, what popular firmware doesn't have decouple detection? 2017-11-14T09:50:54 < ohsix> it's not easy to put one on the lulzbot 2017-11-14T09:51:36 < ohsix> PaulFertser: the problem is that all the failure modes aren't accounted for by being clever 2017-11-14T09:52:21 < PaulFertser> ohsix: true, it's all about the overall statistics. 2017-11-14T09:52:25 < ohsix> if we're being proscriptive and tutting about what people should do, we could also just say don't use a heated bed, not worth the risk 2017-11-14T09:53:27 < ReadErr> http://www.templeos.org/Videos/KnightFirstDamsel.mp4 2017-11-14T09:53:32 < ReadErr> awesome terry D update vid 2017-11-14T09:54:34 < ohsix> did you see the vice principals finale? 2017-11-14T09:55:05 < ohsix> they're smart to realize they couldn't do shit for 8 years, and that 2 was maybe even a stretch 2017-11-14T09:55:18 < ReadErr> nah im gonna watch it all the way through 2017-11-14T09:55:46 < jpa-> looks like smoothieware does that check "temperature differs from target by N celcius for more than T seconds".. not quite as fast as PaulFertser mentioned but should work 2017-11-14T09:57:38 < jpa-> it's kind of surprising that there aren't more 3d printers designed for fire safety, something like metal box with a cutoff if the box reaches too high temperature should work pretty well 2017-11-14T09:58:14 < ohsix> you could try to electrically characterize the thermistor circuit in a way not affected by poor or intermittent connections, or definitive when it is open 2017-11-14T09:58:30 < ohsix> well, there's not much risk, for all the chat 2017-11-14T09:58:52 < ohsix> something has to be grossly fucked up, and use wire or materials that aren't fire retardant; there's just not enough material there 2017-11-14T09:59:14 < ohsix> hot end failures can make the filament do some gross stuff tho 2017-11-14T09:59:34 < jpa-> considering how the typical workbench looks, there might be quite enough material nearby 2017-11-14T09:59:47 < ohsix> yea 2017-11-14T10:00:06 < ohsix> they're pretty wide, it is almost hard to hang paper or drapes or something fire friendly over them :D 2017-11-14T10:04:30 < ohsix> and if you're talking about a lab, there's all those 895d or whatever clones that will catch fire if you're nto careful with how you put the hot air gun on them 2017-11-14T10:04:35 < ohsix> and will anyways even if you are 2017-11-14T10:06:59 < jpa-> you don't leave those running for hours unattended though.. while the temptation to do so with 3d printers is quite large 2017-11-14T10:10:10 < ohsix> yea but the risk is there any time the switch in the back is on, not the switches in the front 2017-11-14T10:10:18 < ohsix> they look like they're off 2017-11-14T10:10:43 < jpa-> heh 2017-11-14T10:11:40 < jpa-> https://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g5-M01-F7-F3-rBVaI1hsmqKAaiXbAAL5iwN_hXs560.jpg/feita-858d-mobile-repairing-smd-rework-station.jpg the ones i've seen look like this and only have switch in the front 2017-11-14T10:12:46 < ohsix> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/new-toy-yihua-853dplus-rework-station/ 2017-11-14T10:13:11 < ohsix> ya i think that's just the hot air portion of these things in its' own box 2017-11-14T10:14:44 < ohsix> more of a joke than anything else, assuming everyone has seen that video of one catching fire 2017-11-14T10:19:37 < ohsix> the difficulty i'm having finding the video i'm talking about is some pretty definitive proof that google is fucking shit now 2017-11-14T10:20:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T10:21:07 < ReadErr> 858d is perfect 2017-11-14T10:23:03 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?q=security+camera+footage+of+soldering+station+fire&tbm=vid lol at these results 2017-11-14T10:23:37 < ohsix> twitter meme, universe brain: return garbage for literal searches 2017-11-14T10:27:06 < ohsix> it's a fucking trip that a search engine doesn't do plain text searches 2017-11-14T10:27:32 < ohsix> or rather, weight them very heavily, even with the verbatim option; google can't find that shit anymore 2017-11-14T10:28:30 < ohsix> https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=soldering+station+catches+fire&FORM=HDRSC3 look at all those GLORIOUS things catching fire 2017-11-14T10:30:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T10:33:44 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.240.adsl.inet-telecom.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-14T10:51:46 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T10:58:14 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2opeuuAI2k 2017-11-14T11:06:49 < stvn> steffan are you there 2017-11-14T11:18:14 < ohsix> qyx: does pubsubclient suck? (mqtT) 2017-11-14T11:19:37 < qyx> which one 2017-11-14T11:28:00 < ohsix> pubsubclient 2017-11-14T11:28:26 < ohsix> i was conflating it with something else, but it came up in an unrelated search, it does mqtt 2017-11-14T11:28:55 < ohsix> you can sometimes read 'for arduino' as ~= small 2017-11-14T11:30:32 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: bbl] 2017-11-14T12:02:12 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T12:02:27 < qyx> this wolfmqtt seems to be working 2017-11-14T12:02:32 < qyx> although I cannot publis anything yet 2017-11-14T12:06:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-14T13:50:35 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T13:51:34 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T13:56:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T13:57:21 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-14T14:01:35 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T14:02:02 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-14T14:02:15 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T14:02:28 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T14:02:35 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T14:02:56 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T14:03:15 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-14T14:05:52 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T14:05:52 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T14:05:52 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T14:06:53 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@xdsl-89-0-104-45.netcologne.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T14:06:53 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@xdsl-89-0-104-45.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-14T14:06:53 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T14:28:09 < ReadErr> englishman: 2017-11-14T14:28:09 < ReadErr> englishman: 2017-11-14T14:29:35 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T14:37:18 < Steffanx> Keil pros: can keil limited 32kb edition debug applications larger than 32k? As in attach only, no flashing? 2017-11-14T14:37:51 < ReadErr> its building 2017-11-14T14:37:56 < ReadErr> binary size 2017-11-14T14:38:44 < ReadErr> dont think its on flashing/debugging if you have the symbols and binary? 2017-11-14T14:44:40 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T14:56:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T15:02:12 < PaulFertser> Hey Steffanx :) Have you seen my 3d prints photos yesterday? 2017-11-14T15:17:55 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T15:21:34 < Laurenceb_> how usb formed, how SOF get delayed? 2017-11-14T15:23:02 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T15:23:37 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-14T15:27:33 < aandrew> heh 2017-11-14T15:27:50 < aandrew> "how is usb formed" reminds me of the old "how is babby formed" meme 2017-11-14T15:29:03 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T15:31:12 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T15:33:01 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T15:36:29 < BrainDamage> that's exactly what it refers to, laurenceb is 95% memes, 5% content 2017-11-14T15:41:05 < kakimir> can I use recovery usb media created in any windows 7 machine to fix any win7 so it boots? 2017-11-14T15:41:37 < kakimir> lets assume both are x64 2017-11-14T15:42:19 < Laurenceb_> ok some actual content 2017-11-14T15:42:29 < Laurenceb_> if Ihave high speed usb -> hub -> low speed 2017-11-14T15:42:41 < Laurenceb_> will the SOF be delayed at the devices? 2017-11-14T15:42:54 < Laurenceb_> and how much? Is there a 1 microframe delay or something? 2017-11-14T15:43:08 < aandrew> IIRC the SOF is for the local "segment" not global 2017-11-14T15:43:25 < aandrew> I'd have to hook up a few hubs with some STM32 devboards emitting SOF and see 2017-11-14T15:43:38 < aandrew> I don't see any advantage to SOF being global though 2017-11-14T15:44:40 < Laurenceb_> according to this the high speed bus doesnt wait 2017-11-14T15:44:42 < Laurenceb_> http://www.usbmadesimple.co.uk/ums_6.htm#high_speed_hubs 2017-11-14T15:44:51 < Laurenceb_> but that doesnt explain what happens to SOF 2017-11-14T15:47:16 < Laurenceb_> should be trivial to send SOF through the hub and change the bitrate tho? 2017-11-14T15:47:39 < Steffanx> Ya will report later today PaulFertser 2017-11-14T15:48:05 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by ChanServ 2017-11-14T15:48:47 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: what are you trying to do 2017-11-14T15:49:37 < Laurenceb_> synchronise usb sensors 2017-11-14T15:51:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T15:54:34 < Thorn> lol @ BLE. you can't put > 1 custom UUID into an advertisement packet 2017-11-14T15:54:52 < aandrew> BLE is very much a "good enough" protocol IMO 2017-11-14T15:55:16 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: I'm not sure you will be able to using SOF alone 2017-11-14T15:56:29 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: I already have lol 2017-11-14T15:56:42 < Laurenceb_> it works but I'm unsure of hub behaviour 2017-11-14T15:56:58 < Laurenceb_> anyway, bbl 2017-11-14T15:57:53 < aandrew> synchronized, or just all using a stable 1ms tick (that may not occur at the same time) 2017-11-14T16:01:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.246.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-14T16:02:29 < englishman> ReadErr: hi 2017-11-14T16:02:43 < ReadErr> englishman emergency terry video update 2017-11-14T16:03:42 < englishman> after the homeless one? 2017-11-14T16:03:43 < ReadErr> http://www.templeos.org/Videos/KnightFirstDamsel.mp4 2017-11-14T16:03:48 < ReadErr> ohhhhhhhh man 2017-11-14T16:03:57 < ReadErr> if you only knew 2017-11-14T16:03:58 < englishman> i was too much for her 2017-11-14T16:04:03 < englishman> the crack smoking one? 2017-11-14T16:04:06 < ReadErr> ya 2017-11-14T16:04:08 < ReadErr> turns out 2017-11-14T16:04:12 < englishman> wait 2017-11-14T16:04:15 < englishman> lemme watch 2017-11-14T16:04:16 < ReadErr> she was a prostitute 2017-11-14T16:04:18 < ReadErr> oh 2017-11-14T16:04:19 < englishman> lol 2017-11-14T16:04:20 < englishman> NO WAY 2017-11-14T16:04:20 < ReadErr> ya watch 2017-11-14T16:04:26 < ReadErr> (he hit it raw, looool) 2017-11-14T16:04:34 < englishman> terry has needs 2017-11-14T16:04:54 < ReadErr> "start thinkin about dianna, she only likes big dicks, so i picture her fuckin a nagger" 2017-11-14T16:05:09 < englishman> hey 2017-11-14T16:05:13 < englishman> you're always +g 2017-11-14T16:05:23 < englishman> https://www.massdrop.com/buy/xmit-hall-effect-mechanical-keyboard 2017-11-14T16:05:25 < ReadErr> oh i had skidder enabled 2017-11-14T16:05:31 < ReadErr> so i dont even get +g or invites 2017-11-14T16:05:47 < ReadErr> lol what 2017-11-14T16:05:55 < ReadErr> i duno how that would feel 2017-11-14T16:06:04 < englishman> like a regular switch due to springs 2017-11-14T16:06:06 < englishman> i guess 2017-11-14T16:06:09 < ReadErr> and i cant view w/o logging in 2017-11-14T16:06:15 < ReadErr> assflop 2017-11-14T16:06:25 < englishman> 109 2017-11-14T16:06:37 < englishman> .99.99.999 2017-11-14T16:07:18 < ReadErr> wut 2017-11-14T16:07:42 < englishman> yeah its like regular mechanical kb price 2017-11-14T16:09:43 < ReadErr> my last kb, im diggin it 2017-11-14T16:09:45 < Rob235> oi 2017-11-14T16:09:47 < ReadErr> lowprofile mechanical 2017-11-14T16:09:52 < ReadErr> v kawaii 2017-11-14T16:10:01 < ReadErr> v thin 2017-11-14T16:10:35 < Rob235> what is massdrop 2017-11-14T16:10:39 < Rob235> worth signing up? 2017-11-14T16:10:48 < ReadErr> ive clicked it like 5 times 2017-11-14T16:10:50 < ReadErr> and havent yet 2017-11-14T16:10:59 < ReadErr> sorry but if I gotta log in to view, a page 2017-11-14T16:11:07 < ReadErr> they can fuckrightoff 2017-11-14T16:11:07 < Rob235> yea what is that shit 2017-11-14T16:11:21 < ReadErr> can only imagine the spam they would send 2017-11-14T16:11:25 < englishman> i will never work for the cia fuck you 2017-11-14T16:12:04 < ReadErr> gorilla rape computers even more 2017-11-14T16:12:20 < zyp> Laurenceb, it might make more sense if you distinguish between the TT and the rest of the hub 2017-11-14T16:16:56 < zyp> I'm guessing that the TT will synchronize the FS SOF to the HS SOF 2017-11-14T16:23:29 < ReadErr> englishman: pretty lit ep right 2017-11-14T16:24:27 < englishman> terry is a programming god 2017-11-14T16:29:05 < ReadErr> cant believe he fucked that homeless prostitute, raw 2017-11-14T16:29:11 < ReadErr> guess god can protect him 2017-11-14T16:44:01 -!- djos [~djos@mail.thorondir.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T16:55:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T17:11:45 < englishman> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/wBRC2Gv.png 2017-11-14T17:12:27 < sync> soon 2017-11-14T17:24:50 < ingrix> mmmm, dinner 2017-11-14T17:46:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T17:46:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-14T17:46:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T17:49:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T18:01:11 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T18:13:59 -!- djos [~djos@mail.thorondir.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T18:19:37 -!- djos [~djos@mail.thorondir.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-14T18:22:31 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T18:25:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T18:26:35 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T18:26:57 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T18:31:56 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T18:42:45 < dekar> Any recommendations for filesystems suitable for NOR flash? (internal or external) 2017-11-14T18:43:15 < dekar> I have seen people use fatfs directly without wear levelling, but it doesn't sound like a good idea to me. 2017-11-14T18:43:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T18:49:54 < karlp> ohsix: yes, pubsubclient does suck. 2017-11-14T18:52:54 < karlp> spiffs, ubi, jffs2, 2017-11-14T18:55:23 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T18:58:50 < dekar> Isn't ubi and jffs2 for Linux? 2017-11-14T19:00:01 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-14T19:00:02 < dekar> I mean I guess you could use uCLinux on STM32, but it's probably not too common. 2017-11-14T19:04:19 < karlp> you weren't really very specific, but yeah :) 2017-11-14T19:06:47 < dekar> I meant spiffs and the like. Maybe something a bit more feature complete. Besides I think I also heard bad things about it before on this channel, something related to data corruption? 2017-11-14T19:08:05 < karlp> surely wouldn't be worse than fatfs directly on nor 2017-11-14T19:08:43 < dekar> Yeah, my rad1o badge still does that, poor thing. :/ 2017-11-14T19:10:14 < Steffanx> Can you buy dinner using my/your buttcoins yet, zyp ? 2017-11-14T19:18:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T19:22:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T19:25:11 < daey> ReadErr: holy fuck. i knew the guy is nuts. those videos bring it to a whole different level :O 2017-11-14T19:26:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-14T19:26:58 < ReadErr> terry lit 2017-11-14T19:27:10 < daey> ReadErr: is he living in a van? 2017-11-14T19:28:24 < ReadErr> ya 2017-11-14T19:28:37 < ReadErr> got in an argument with the parents 2017-11-14T19:28:49 < daey> i think i only saw a few clips a long time ago in which he was in a room iirc. 2017-11-14T19:28:52 < daey> lel 2017-11-14T19:29:50 < ReadErr> proud of him finally finding some coontang 2017-11-14T19:30:29 < daey> Free Willy xD 2017-11-14T19:54:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T20:08:51 -!- ski4x7 [~quassel@ip5f598d36.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T20:09:43 -!- ski4x7 [~quassel@ip5f598d36.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-14T20:10:02 < Steffanx> free willey 4 ever \o/ 2017-11-14T20:10:18 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T20:12:49 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b4399ec.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T20:15:02 < Steffanx> except for the blue figure the prints dont look too bad PaulFertser. 2017-11-14T20:15:05 < Steffanx> 0.2mm layer height? 2017-11-14T20:23:35 < upgrdman> with 10/100 ethernet, does a PHY usually *need* to be configured before it can be used, or is that only required for "special" things? 2017-11-14T20:24:02 < upgrdman> DP83848CVVX if that makes any difference 2017-11-14T20:27:40 < Steffanx> Not sure about the default settings, but usually you can make them usable by using boostrapping using the right pullups/downs on certain pins. 2017-11-14T20:28:04 < upgrdman> k 2017-11-14T20:29:04 < Steffanx> but why this question? 2017-11-14T20:29:27 < Steffanx> its not that you have to do a shitload of configuration.. 2017-11-14T20:29:42 < upgrdman> first time doing ethernet 2017-11-14T20:30:00 < upgrdman> and not sure if i just need to config the lpc1768 periph, or also dick with the phy 2017-11-14T20:30:32 < upgrdman> for now i just hope to see a valid packet with wireshark. but i dont even have the pcb yet, just working on the firmware. 2017-11-14T20:30:39 < upgrdman> should have the board in a week-ish 2017-11-14T20:31:35 < upgrdman> "here's a known good schematic, i'll get you some tested ethernet firmware." then after my pcb goes to fab "oh, lol, we never actually used that ethernet. no firmware. hope the schematic was right? lolumad." 2017-11-14T20:31:38 < Laurenceb> Laurenceb, it might make more sense if you distinguish between the TT and the rest of the hub 2017-11-14T20:31:42 < Laurenceb> what is TT? 2017-11-14T20:32:48 < aandrew> upgrdman: most PHYs have sane defaults. the only one you really need to watch is whether it supplies the (R)MII clock or accepts it 2017-11-14T20:33:31 < Laurenceb> oh transaction translator 2017-11-14T20:33:51 < upgrdman> aandrew, oh, good. ok. 2017-11-14T20:34:37 < Laurenceb> ooh nice 2017-11-14T20:34:52 < Laurenceb> with Multi-TT I could have batshit insane numbers of sensors 2017-11-14T20:35:12 < aandrew> I want to find a USB3 hub that actually has multi-TT 2017-11-14T20:35:16 < aandrew> I haven't found one yet 2017-11-14T20:35:22 < Laurenceb> only limited by number of devices on the bus 2017-11-14T20:35:37 < aandrew> that way I can plug a half dozen USB2HS devices into a USB3 hub and actually get full performance on all of them 2017-11-14T20:36:18 < Laurenceb> this looks relevant http://www.microchip.com/forums/m329799-p2.aspx 2017-11-14T20:36:21 < aandrew> all chips/hubs I've looked at do not; USB2.0 traffic goes over the single D+/D- pair and all USB3 traffic goes over the HS pairs 2017-11-14T20:36:24 < aandrew> er SS pairs 2017-11-14T20:37:26 < aandrew> I wonder if you can't just use a PLL fed off of the SOF tick and nudge the output of the PLLs over so they're in sync 2017-11-14T20:38:01 < Laurenceb> thats kind of what I am doing 2017-11-14T20:38:27 < Laurenceb> but wurk email is raging about possible lag between devices 2017-11-14T20:38:58 < Laurenceb> oh wow 2017-11-14T20:39:04 < Laurenceb> Leo is in the thread 2017-11-14T20:44:46 < Laurenceb> >USB is a highly fault tolerant consumer grade interface and devices must therefore tolerate several consecutive missed SOF packets according to the standard 2017-11-14T20:44:51 < Laurenceb> lul I'm screwed 2017-11-14T20:44:58 < Laurenceb> never seen that so far though 2017-11-14T20:46:23 < aandrew> interesting, IEEE1588 isn't limited to ethernet 2017-11-14T20:46:43 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-14T20:46:48 < aandrew> you could also maybe try doing clock sync similar to how nordic chips do it. google for nrf51822 clock sync, nordic has a paper on it with measurements 2017-11-14T20:46:57 < Laurenceb> ok 2017-11-14T20:47:07 < Laurenceb> >A TT must generate a full-speed SOF within +/- 3 full-speed bit times from the occurrence of the zeroth high-speed SOF. 2017-11-14T20:47:13 < Laurenceb> looks like no issue there then 2017-11-14T20:48:25 < Laurenceb> the nordic thing looks like F042 usb clock 2017-11-14T20:49:24 < Laurenceb> if usb SOF is +-500ppm thats good enough for me 2017-11-14T20:49:51 < Laurenceb> although synchronising with audio devices could get "interesting" 2017-11-14T20:52:30 < Laurenceb> oh - unless I build my own audio kit 2017-11-14T21:02:56 < Laurenceb> surely someone has built lunix tools for solving this problem 2017-11-14T21:03:19 < Laurenceb> grab number of samples/frame and resample the audio to be aligned with usb clock 2017-11-14T21:06:37 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T21:15:06 < Laurenceb> I sense the opportunity for an audiophool device 2017-11-14T21:15:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T21:21:26 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: yes, 0.2. The blue figure was printed with trimmer line nylon, and the figure itself is hard to print correctly. Do you want me to print anything specific for testing and comparison with your printer? 2017-11-14T21:23:44 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOnR5_kWsAAJzYK.jpg 2017-11-14T21:24:02 < upgrdman> ethernet pros: wtf is a "station address? guessing that's a MAC address? 2017-11-14T21:24:19 < upgrdman> looks to be 6 octets 2017-11-14T21:24:27 < kakimir> movie recommds? 2017-11-14T21:24:38 < upgrdman> kakimir, debbie does dallas 2017-11-14T21:25:39 < kakimir> are you 15years old? 2017-11-14T21:25:44 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-14T21:25:55 < kakimir> I should have been specific 2017-11-14T21:26:07 < kakimir> movie as in not adult movie 2017-11-14T21:26:17 < Laurenceb> is it possible to make a "transparent" usb device that just forwards packets? 2017-11-14T21:26:28 < kakimir> on stm32? 2017-11-14T21:26:33 < Laurenceb> yes 2017-11-14T21:27:00 < kakimir> do you see any reason why not? 2017-11-14T21:27:10 < Laurenceb> time delays 2017-11-14T21:27:20 < kakimir> and what kind of bug are you building for your russian friends? 2017-11-14T21:27:33 < kakimir> or murican 2017-11-14T21:27:48 < Laurenceb> building fake news usb bug for putin 2017-11-14T21:28:15 < Laurenceb> actually my idea was a "usb audio sample re-distributor" 2017-11-14T21:28:28 < kakimir> I was at my friends house just a minute ago 2017-11-14T21:28:31 < kakimir> *russian 2017-11-14T21:28:32 < Laurenceb> that fixes drifting sample clocks 2017-11-14T21:28:57 < kakimir> guess what wlan password was? 2017-11-14T21:29:17 < kakimir> yeah 2017-11-14T21:29:39 < kakimir> motherland! 2017-11-14T21:29:59 < Laurenceb> His name was Seth Rich!!!1 2017-11-14T21:30:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/Flat_Earth/ 2017-11-14T21:30:41 < Laurenceb> >How does satelite TV work? 2017-11-14T21:31:28 < kakimir> pixies 2017-11-14T21:43:00 < upgrdman> dixies 2017-11-14T21:47:11 < englishman> boring ass 0603 assembly 2017-11-14T21:47:15 < englishman> oops 2017-11-14T21:47:26 < englishman> Wtf 2017-11-14T21:48:08 < englishman> 🦆 2017-11-14T21:51:00 < kakimir> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2017/11/14/5ec34602bcecc67c.png 2017-11-14T21:57:14 < upgrdman> brother kakimir, have you used ethernet on lpc1768? 2017-11-14T21:58:57 < Laurenceb> >>>501979 2017-11-14T21:58:58 < Laurenceb> I'm going to eat my Cumberland sausages and then play Tropico 5 while I wait for mummy to die and leave me to starve to death neet life tbh 2017-11-14T21:59:08 < Laurenceb> /b/ post what they are doing with their lief 2017-11-14T22:01:58 < Steffanx> nah, not yet. im improving mine PaulFertser. or at least the process. Playing around with PETG a bit now. 2017-11-14T22:05:42 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: Still have some issues with the first layer, but that might be cura doign weird stuff the printer doesnt like. Should try another slicer. 2017-11-14T22:05:59 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: what exactly are the issues? 2017-11-14T22:06:47 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T22:09:35 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-14T22:16:04 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T22:16:05 < Thorn> oh shit my FATT service is working 2017-11-14T22:20:58 < upgrdman> wuts FATT 2017-11-14T22:22:33 < englishman> like GATT but for americans? 2017-11-14T22:23:27 < Thorn> and FAP advertisement too 2017-11-14T22:24:18 < Laurenceb> no homo 2017-11-14T22:32:18 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, it always goes from home position to hte middle of the bed, while it does that it draws a tiny line. So far so good, then it starts to move around a bit while it does not extrude the filement. And then it does.. but it seem its not fast enough so it starts to drag the stuff around a bit. 2017-11-14T22:32:32 < Steffanx> *filament 2017-11-14T22:34:04 < Steffanx> Welcome. 2017-11-14T22:35:05 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I have http://paste.debian.net/995777/ in the start gcode so that it extrudes a bit and then wipes it off by the front of the bed. And then I usually enable skirt so even if it underextrudes it a bit, no problem. 2017-11-14T22:36:16 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: that's what i/it does too, but the moving while not extruding after that seems to screw things up ( sometimes ) 2017-11-14T22:37:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: how moving without extruding affects anything if it tries to print a skirt during that? 2017-11-14T22:37:11 < Steffanx> For now i do a skirt too and just try to remove the crap with a tweezer before it starts the actual printing. 2017-11-14T22:38:04 < Steffanx> actually not a skirt, but a brim 2017-11-14T22:38:19 < Steffanx> works for now, until i figure out why it does what it does currently. 2017-11-14T22:38:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T22:38:59 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T22:39:26 -!- upgrdman__ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T22:41:11 < Thorn> #define BLE_APPEARANCE_RUNNING_WALKING_SENSOR_IN_SHOE 1089 2017-11-14T22:41:13 < Thorn> #define BLE_APPEARANCE_RUNNING_WALKING_SENSOR_ON_SHOE 1090 2017-11-14T22:42:10 -!- upgrdman__ is now known as upgrdman 2017-11-14T22:43:11 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-14T22:44:10 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-14T22:48:24 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, it's not really the moving, it just seems to not extrude fast enough after for like a second or so. 2017-11-14T22:48:43 < Steffanx> Which then end up no on the bed, or not really sticking and who knows where it ends up 2017-11-14T22:48:48 < Steffanx> *not 2017-11-14T22:50:11 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: but you can add gcode to the start of your print to extrude some more in advance 2017-11-14T22:50:18 < Steffanx> Let met record it next time. 2017-11-14T22:50:38 < Steffanx> But ill try some other tooling first 2017-11-14T22:50:54 < PaulFertser> s3d? 2017-11-14T22:51:21 < Steffanx> If i would like to spend another $150 maybe... :P 2017-11-14T22:51:40 < Steffanx> Screw them with their "money-back" policy. 2017-11-14T22:52:09 < PaulFertser> Hehe 2017-11-14T22:52:14 < PaulFertser> I'm just using slic3r 2017-11-14T22:52:34 < Steffanx> Warning: require_once(DB.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /srv/data/web/vhosts/slic3r.org/htdocs/index.php on line 7 .. pro phping 2017-11-14T22:55:33 < PaulFertser> 04:17 < LoH> Sound has been notified; I think he's been busy at MakerFaireRome 2017-11-14T22:57:41 < Steffanx> and how you send the gcode to your printer, does the anet use an sdcard? 2017-11-14T23:01:24 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T23:03:36 < Steffanx> and i have to fix the fans of the controller, because daaaamn those are loud. Compared to the noise of the of those fans the steppers are quiet. 2017-11-14T23:04:04 < Thorn> why are there no standard appearance values for marital aids 2017-11-14T23:04:33 < Steffanx> uh what Thorn? 2017-11-14T23:05:18 < Thorn> https://www.bluetooth.com/ko-kr/specifications/gatt/viewer?attributeXmlFile=org.bluetooth.characteristic.gap.appearance.xml 2017-11-14T23:05:42 < Steffanx> and how fast does PaulFertser print? 100mm/s or .. ? 2017-11-14T23:11:41 * jpa- notes alarm coming from Thorn's wearable leak sensor 2017-11-14T23:12:04 < Steffanx> or just a Generic Motorized Device 2017-11-14T23:12:11 < kakimir> hello pumps 2017-11-14T23:12:18 < kakimir> movie recommds anyone? 2017-11-14T23:13:15 < kakimir> upgrdman: never got that far but I think I read some documents and made a rj45 lead for the board 2017-11-14T23:13:24 < kakimir> and some simples code 2017-11-14T23:13:38 < Steffanx> You wont listen to movie recommendations kakimir. So stop doing that. 2017-11-14T23:13:45 < Steffanx> *asking 2017-11-14T23:14:03 < Steffanx> I mean: hi kakimir 2017-11-14T23:14:43 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-14T23:17:45 < englishman> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100436/ 2017-11-14T23:18:27 < Steffanx> englishman: Corresponding music recommendation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtyF0jux2Q 2017-11-14T23:19:07 < kakimir> I had forgot that song 2017-11-14T23:19:22 < kakimir> I remember the MV 2017-11-14T23:19:25 < kakimir> M/V 2017-11-14T23:20:05 < kakimir> englishman: yes 2017-11-14T23:20:15 < kakimir> I can watch that 2017-11-14T23:21:10 < Steffanx> Comedy, Drama, Music fuck noo 2017-11-14T23:22:01 < kakimir> teen drama 2017-11-14T23:22:30 < Steffanx> That's probably another category/movie 2017-11-14T23:22:52 < Thorn> attn englishman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0UrkTkXAAMd1-S.jpg:large 2017-11-14T23:26:57 < englishman> hi Thorn https://i.imgur.com/2Zr0lfg.jpg 2017-11-14T23:27:44 < kakimir> #catlife 2017-11-14T23:29:52 < kakimir> hard day catching mice 2017-11-14T23:30:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-14T23:51:09 < ohsix> qyx: modem just worked when i ran mmcli -S 2017-11-14T23:51:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-9fe0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T23:51:20 < ohsix> setting bearer and using sms/mms and everything is working 2017-11-14T23:51:41 < kakimir> have you guise repaired hdds ever? 2017-11-14T23:51:55 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-14T23:51:57 < kakimir> change board, change heads 2017-11-14T23:52:10 < kakimir> dust it off and it'll be alrite 2017-11-14T23:52:21 < zyp> nah, what's the point? 2017-11-14T23:52:37 < BrainDamage> a new one costs less than any labour you'd put in it 2017-11-14T23:52:43 < kakimir> data 2017-11-14T23:52:50 < zyp> I mean, I could see the point if there's shit on it that you need and you have no backup 2017-11-14T23:52:52 < BrainDamage> y u no backup 2017-11-14T23:52:54 < kakimir> one has faulty heads 2017-11-14T23:53:03 < kakimir> it was like 2005 back then 2017-11-14T23:53:06 < zyp> but you don't want to get into that situation in the first place 2017-11-14T23:53:19 < kakimir> we were not it pros then 2017-11-14T23:53:22 < kakimir> IT 2017-11-14T23:53:32 < kakimir> or had external drives 2017-11-14T23:58:42 < jadew> faild hdd? 2017-11-14T23:58:57 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-14T23:59:03 < jadew> the board and head flip doesn't always work 2017-11-14T23:59:08 < kakimir> reading head does this repeated jerking motion 2017-11-14T23:59:24 < jadew> very familiar with it 2017-11-14T23:59:27 < kakimir> move in, go back - again again 2017-11-14T23:59:37 < jadew> the click of death 2017-11-14T23:59:39 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-14T23:59:58 < kakimir> jadew: how does it happen? --- Day changed Wed Nov 15 2017 2017-11-15T00:00:17 < jadew> depends, bad board sometimes, fails to read the data 2017-11-15T00:00:18 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T00:00:25 < jadew> other times the disk gets deformed 2017-11-15T00:00:28 < jadew> because of heat 2017-11-15T00:00:46 < BrainDamage> get a gf to avoid repeating jerking motions 2017-11-15T00:01:01 < jadew> cooling it down may make it work for a bit 2017-11-15T00:01:15 < jadew> like... keeping it in the cold for a bit 2017-11-15T00:01:46 < kakimir> run cables to frozer? 2017-11-15T00:01:54 < kakimir> you know what I did to it? 2017-11-15T00:02:03 < kakimir> I opened the enclosure 2017-11-15T00:02:08 < kakimir> to see it jerking 2017-11-15T00:02:24 < jadew> and spit on it by mistake? 2017-11-15T00:02:27 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T00:02:31 < kakimir> no spit 2017-11-15T00:02:41 < upgrdman> swallow? 2017-11-15T00:02:49 < kakimir> but dust ingression 2017-11-15T00:02:54 < kakimir> from room air 2017-11-15T00:02:56 < BrainDamage> you want a clanbox at least to do it 2017-11-15T00:03:02 < BrainDamage> cleanbox 2017-11-15T00:03:08 < jadew> if you want to reuse it afterwards 2017-11-15T00:03:27 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T00:03:29 < BrainDamage> ofc, if you want to use the platter as frisbee, it's fine to do in air 2017-11-15T00:03:29 < jadew> if all you want to do is recover the data, just don't do it in a construction site 2017-11-15T00:03:30 < kakimir> no reuse 2017-11-15T00:03:52 < kakimir> so cooling might bring it back? 2017-11-15T00:03:58 < kakimir> how cool we want it? 2017-11-15T00:04:18 < jadew> it may make it possible for it to read some important data that it needs in order boot up 2017-11-15T00:04:31 < jadew> I don't know... close to 0 I guess 2017-11-15T00:04:43 < jadew> you could try it progressively 2017-11-15T00:04:52 < jadew> what disk is it? 2017-11-15T00:05:04 < kakimir> some 80GB crap 2017-11-15T00:05:11 < jadew> which brand? 2017-11-15T00:05:19 < kakimir> a second 2017-11-15T00:07:00 < kakimir> samsung 2017-11-15T00:07:01 < kakimir> 160 2017-11-15T00:07:03 < kakimir> GB 2017-11-15T00:07:18 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T00:07:49 < jadew> didn't have many samsungs, but I'm sure I have a failed one too 2017-11-15T00:08:23 < kakimir> SP1634N 2017-11-15T00:08:35 < jadew> get a spare one and switch the control board 2017-11-15T00:08:40 < jadew> make sure to move the eeprom too 2017-11-15T00:08:49 < kakimir> why? 2017-11-15T00:08:55 < jadew> each disk is different 2017-11-15T00:09:28 < kakimir> what do I need for eeprom copy? 2017-11-15T00:09:28 < jadew> I guess there's some calibration data in there 2017-11-15T00:09:31 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-15T00:10:11 < kakimir> I don't see any fun sized eeproms 2017-11-15T00:10:22 < kakimir> just big chips 2017-11-15T00:10:32 < kakimir> smallest is like 48pin 2017-11-15T00:10:39 < kakimir> another side? 2017-11-15T00:10:54 < jadew> could be, they're usually very small 2017-11-15T00:11:04 < Cracki> uh, there are smaller eeproms, spi/i2c/1wire protocol 2017-11-15T00:11:54 < kakimir> sot-23-6? 2017-11-15T00:12:11 < jadew> try to identify it 2017-11-15T00:12:28 < englishman> kakimir: musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmtzQCSh6xk 2017-11-15T00:12:49 < Cracki> I think there might be sot-sized eeproms... 2017-11-15T00:13:19 < Cracki> I've seen "DRM chips" for disposable hardware that had nothing on them, except some transistor-looking things 2017-11-15T00:13:50 < Cracki> and those things did crypto, afaik! 2017-11-15T00:15:42 < kakimir> englishman: blocked 2017-11-15T00:19:11 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14EwPQ5W5cZwIYc1KB2QBeugU0N6O062M?usp=sharing 2017-11-15T00:19:49 < kakimir> looks like a regulator 2017-11-15T00:19:55 < kakimir> caps around it 2017-11-15T00:20:03 < kakimir> 642F 2017-11-15T00:20:07 < Cracki> anything with a thermal pad/tab probably is 2017-11-15T00:20:47 < Cracki> even 2-terminal things can contain data because that's enough for 1wire and parasitic power 2017-11-15T00:22:21 < kakimir> shiet 2017-11-15T00:22:29 < kakimir> interesting 2017-11-15T00:22:35 < kakimir> can it be soldered off? 2017-11-15T00:22:53 < Cracki> everything can be soldered off, with the right equipment or lack of care 2017-11-15T00:22:55 < jadew> kakimir, did you check the other side of the board too? 2017-11-15T00:23:01 < Cracki> ^ 2017-11-15T00:23:04 < kakimir> not yet 2017-11-15T00:23:24 < kakimir> iirc something holds it in place 2017-11-15T00:23:31 < kakimir> and I was afraid to pull it 2017-11-15T00:23:48 < Cracki> two sided foam tape? 2017-11-15T00:23:53 < Cracki> screws? 2017-11-15T00:24:38 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T00:25:15 < kakimir> I need to try it again 2017-11-15T00:25:19 < Cracki> I'd say the third pic, with the component group close to the hub, is the bldc power stage 2017-11-15T00:25:35 < Cracki> and perhaps also the power stage for the arm 2017-11-15T00:26:50 < Cracki> the longish one with two rows of legs is sdram 2017-11-15T00:27:08 < Cracki> why did you hunt for eeprom again? 2017-11-15T00:28:11 < Cracki> the APL1117 and its neighbor are both LDOs 2017-11-15T00:30:39 < kakimir> calibration data 2017-11-15T00:30:54 < kakimir> jadew: totally empty back 2017-11-15T00:31:33 < jadew> then it's probably programmed in one of those big ICs 2017-11-15T00:31:55 < Cracki> calibration data? on a HDD? 2017-11-15T00:31:59 < Cracki> I don't think so. 2017-11-15T00:32:06 < Cracki> it prolly self-calibrated 2017-11-15T00:32:09 < jadew> where else would it be? 2017-11-15T00:32:21 < Cracki> what's there to calibrate? 2017-11-15T00:32:37 < jadew> magnetic strength or whatever.. I don't know 2017-11-15T00:32:45 < jadew> but the ones I dealt with had an eeprom 2017-11-15T00:32:49 < Cracki> I doubt that varies 2017-11-15T00:32:50 < jadew> and you had to move it around 2017-11-15T00:33:38 < Cracki> defective sectors table? not sure eeprom is enough for that 2017-11-15T00:33:57 < jadew> no, it needed that to start reading more 2017-11-15T00:34:07 < jadew> it's like the boot sector on a disk 2017-11-15T00:34:22 < jadew> tiny bit of info so it can read the rest of the info it needs to function 2017-11-15T00:34:42 < Cracki> transplanting PCBs is possible, if it's not a different revision or something, because revisions might change the hardware too 2017-11-15T00:34:46 < Cracki> uh 2017-11-15T00:34:57 < Cracki> firmware is in the big chips 2017-11-15T00:35:11 < Cracki> I still see no point in off-chip eeprom 2017-11-15T00:35:30 < Cracki> something as big as those has on chip flash and most other memory, except the SDRAM 2017-11-15T00:35:36 < jadew> do a google for hdd eeprom 2017-11-15T00:35:51 < jadew> you'll find lots of images indicating where it is 2017-11-15T00:36:32 < Cracki> hm, crypto keys perhaps 2017-11-15T00:36:33 < jadew> yeah, there has to be a reason why that data is usually put in an external eeprom 2017-11-15T00:36:43 < Cracki> or they talk about SPI flash chips 2017-11-15T00:36:46 < jadew> maybe precisely for recovery purposes? 2017-11-15T00:38:26 < Cracki> I only find resources that don't know the difference between eeprom and flash 2017-11-15T00:38:38 < Cracki> (as per common usage) 2017-11-15T00:39:25 < jadew> https://forum.hddguru.com/viewtopic.php?t=22121&start= 2017-11-15T00:39:36 < Cracki> this dude here clearly is dealing with program code, either on-chip flash or off-chip spi flash https://www.malwaretech.com/2015/05/hard-disk-firmware-hacking-part-4.html 2017-11-15T00:40:16 < Cracki> they also talk about "eeprom, eprom, flash" 2017-11-15T00:40:32 < Cracki> so they arent looking for data as such, they are looking for the firmware 2017-11-15T00:40:54 < jadew> doesn't really matter what it is, the point is that there's something that seems to be different from disk to disk 2017-11-15T00:40:59 < Cracki> ... 2017-11-15T00:41:19 < Cracki> and in which way? firmware varies, because it might be newer 2017-11-15T00:41:30 < jadew> no, it could be firmware + some data 2017-11-15T00:41:33 < Cracki> if the drive hw is the same, you can just transplant the whole pcb 2017-11-15T00:41:44 < jadew> doesn't matter if it's a flash chip or an eeprom 2017-11-15T00:41:49 < Cracki> where do you take the information that there must be some extra data? 2017-11-15T00:41:59 < jadew> Cracki, because it doesn't work otherwise 2017-11-15T00:42:11 < Cracki> "doesn't work" can have plenty of reasons 2017-11-15T00:42:22 < Cracki> for example: hardware requires a different firmware 2017-11-15T00:42:23 < jadew> well, the eeprom seems to be the reason 2017-11-15T00:42:32 < Cracki> nvm, not making progress here 2017-11-15T00:42:37 < jadew> could be, but that's unlikely on the same board revision 2017-11-15T00:42:47 < Cracki> ya think? 2017-11-15T00:43:07 < Cracki> if the PCBs are good, but the hardware needed a tweak, just change the firmware and hardware, keep the pcbs... 2017-11-15T00:43:14 < jadew> still, if it requires different firmware, that's something that is different and is stored in some memory 2017-11-15T00:43:23 < Cracki> that's how I experience development of devices 2017-11-15T00:43:24 < jadew> so the memory has to be transplated too 2017-11-15T00:43:46 < Cracki> granted 2017-11-15T00:44:15 < Cracki> those pics are blurry enough to not decipher the trickier components 2017-11-15T00:44:31 < Cracki> and still the firmware could be in the big chips, and was programmed via some header 2017-11-15T00:44:49 < jadew> I don't think it's a matter of firmware 2017-11-15T00:44:51 < Cracki> (as it always is, even for discrete memory chips) 2017-11-15T00:47:22 < jadew> the reason I say that is because the eeproms I've read had very little memory 2017-11-15T00:47:35 < jadew> it was clearly data 2017-11-15T00:47:59 < jadew> and if that data is so important then it must be some sort of calibration data 2017-11-15T00:48:30 < jadew> it's not crypto keys or anything like that either, because this has been the case since people didn't even care about security 2017-11-15T00:52:37 < kakimir> there is thing like integrated eeprom 2017-11-15T00:52:57 < jadew> yeah, that's what I think it's happening there 2017-11-15T00:53:15 < jadew> unless of course they figured out a way to make them work without that extra stuff 2017-11-15T00:53:22 < jadew> like Cracki suggested 2017-11-15T00:53:32 < jadew> in which case you don't have to bother with that 2017-11-15T00:53:40 < jadew> probably a good idea to start reading on the topic 2017-11-15T00:54:16 < Cracki> so what is the task? 2017-11-15T00:54:35 < Cracki> recovering data from a hdd? what's broken, pcb or hardware? 2017-11-15T00:54:59 < jadew> Cracki, you can't tell in this failure mode 2017-11-15T00:55:14 < Cracki> what is the failure mode 2017-11-15T00:55:18 < kakimir> click of death 2017-11-15T00:55:40 < Cracki> how many times 2017-11-15T00:56:31 < Cracki> it would be nice if it's just the pcb that broke, but that's quite unlikely 2017-11-15T00:56:47 < Cracki> does it spin up? 2017-11-15T00:57:02 < Cracki> (feel inertia when tilting?) 2017-11-15T00:57:47 < Cracki> likely the head is fucked and doesn't see tracks anymore. 2017-11-15T00:57:53 < kakimir> it spins up 2017-11-15T00:58:02 < kakimir> I saw it visually 2017-11-15T00:58:06 < Cracki> visually 2017-11-15T00:58:06 < kakimir> to spin up 2017-11-15T00:58:14 < kakimir> visual confirmed 2017-11-15T00:58:15 < Cracki> opened it up already? 2017-11-15T00:58:20 < kakimir> whoops 2017-11-15T00:58:22 < Cracki> hope not, doesn't help 2017-11-15T00:58:35 < Cracki> there's nothing of value inside a hdd, except the bits 2017-11-15T00:58:56 < Cracki> all you can add is dust 2017-11-15T00:59:05 < Cracki> and that's less than helpful 2017-11-15T00:59:59 < Cracki> best chance at getting the data is bringing it to a lab that can read the platters outside the disk 2017-11-15T01:00:12 < Cracki> they'll prolly have an assortment of PCBs to try first 2017-11-15T01:01:18 < jadew> and another assortment of prices 2017-11-15T01:01:21 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T01:01:41 < jadew> ranging from high to very high 2017-11-15T01:05:57 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-15T01:06:15 < kakimir> where to find organ donor for this? 2017-11-15T01:07:01 < jadew> ebay 2017-11-15T01:09:52 < Cracki> platter transplantation could work 2017-11-15T01:10:09 < Cracki> order one you can practice on 2017-11-15T01:10:28 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T01:12:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-9fe0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T01:17:11 < kakimir> jadew: I wonder if I need exact S/N 2017-11-15T01:18:20 < Cracki> serial numbers might be unique 2017-11-15T01:21:06 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-15T01:21:23 < upgrdman> is PoE as simple as plugging a "power injector" into a regular switch? or do you need a PoE switch? 2017-11-15T01:23:34 < upgrdman> seems like PoE switches are $$$ and ebay injectors are cheap as shit. what gives. 2017-11-15T01:24:46 < effractur> upgrdman: you need a active POE incector 2017-11-15T01:25:02 < effractur> there are a lot of cheap passive injectors that just put X volt on the cable 2017-11-15T01:25:04 < upgrdman> dafuqs "active" ? 2017-11-15T01:25:24 < effractur> it negothiate the power 2017-11-15T01:25:27 < effractur> 802.3at of 802.3af 2017-11-15T01:25:30 < upgrdman> oh 2017-11-15T01:25:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T01:25:36 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls 2017-11-15T01:25:43 < upgrdman> nego per port or per device? 2017-11-15T01:25:55 < effractur> per deivce 2017-11-15T01:26:10 * Laurenceb_ realises his audiophool silliness could be done with libusb 2017-11-15T01:26:11 < effractur> it is switch-> POE injector- >device 2017-11-15T01:26:13 < upgrdman> how can an injector inject diff voltages into diff ports? 2017-11-15T01:26:18 < upgrdman> oh 2017-11-15T01:26:20 < upgrdman> ok 2017-11-15T01:26:30 < effractur> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet 2017-11-15T01:26:41 < upgrdman> i thought it was some magical shit you just plug into an unused port on the switch, lol 2017-11-15T01:26:45 < effractur> no 2017-11-15T01:26:47 < Cracki> lol 2017-11-15T01:26:54 < effractur> for each device you need one injector 2017-11-15T01:27:02 < Cracki> or one poe switch 2017-11-15T01:27:06 < upgrdman> sounds like a pain in the ARSE 2017-11-15T01:27:14 < Cracki> do you feel pain there? 2017-11-15T01:27:17 < upgrdman> lots 2017-11-15T01:27:21 < englishman> you just buy it 2017-11-15T01:27:23 < englishman> switches r cheap 2017-11-15T01:27:31 < upgrdman> englishman, poe switches tho? 2017-11-15T01:27:33 < Cracki> poe switches not so much 2017-11-15T01:27:35 < englishman> its 44V man, its not going to yolo that over ethernet randombly 2017-11-15T01:27:41 < Cracki> 48v* 2017-11-15T01:27:44 < englishman> that would make many people sad 2017-11-15T01:27:45 < englishman> yeah ^ 2017-11-15T01:28:09 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/PLV-100Mbps-Uplink-Switch-802-3af/dp/B01MU3G14F 2017-11-15T01:28:17 < englishman> 10/100 lol 2017-11-15T01:28:22 < Cracki> poe works by using pairs for power only 2017-11-15T01:28:34 < Cracki> you will have to give up copper for power 2017-11-15T01:28:45 < upgrdman> oh god. updating win10 in one of my vm's. its doing that stupid "hi" "this might take several minutes" "..." while slowly changing colors. such rage. 2017-11-15T01:28:48 < englishman> yeah i forgot about that 2017-11-15T01:29:03 < englishman> guess there arent any that do gigabutt when not in poe mode? or gigabutt uplink? 2017-11-15T01:29:07 < upgrdman> i want to deliver ARSE PAIN to the managers as msft that thought this was a good idea 2017-11-15T01:29:15 < Cracki> there are though 2017-11-15T01:29:17 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/BV-Tech-Switch-Gigabit-Ethernet-uplink/dp/B01MQHD54L 2017-11-15T01:29:20 < englishman> oh yeah plenty 2017-11-15T01:29:37 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/Tenda-Ethernet-Desktop-100Mbps-TEF1105P/dp/B01CAKJRTW 2017-11-15T01:29:39 < englishman> TENDIES brand 2017-11-15T01:29:46 < Cracki> it might use principles such as "phantom power" for XLR microphones do 2017-11-15T01:29:54 -!- ingrix [~ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-15T01:30:12 < Cracki> afaik those put a bias between the differential pair and the shield 2017-11-15T01:30:24 < englishman> probably not huge power requirement 2017-11-15T01:30:26 < Cracki> not sure tho 2017-11-15T01:30:30 < Cracki> indeed 2017-11-15T01:30:53 < Cracki> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/43939 2017-11-15T01:31:40 < Laurenceb_> how network formed 2017-11-15T01:31:42 < Cracki> also afaik poe is DC, not AC, so that one comment is just mostly right 2017-11-15T01:31:59 < upgrdman> wat 2017-11-15T01:32:04 < upgrdman> i thought poe was ac 2017-11-15T01:32:19 < Cracki> I shall check 2017-11-15T01:32:26 < Laurenceb_> lulwut 2017-11-15T01:32:30 < upgrdman> i guess dc makes sense tho. less noise from dc/dc 2017-11-15T01:32:31 < Laurenceb_> poe is DC bro 2017-11-15T01:32:37 < upgrdman> ok fine. 2017-11-15T01:32:44 < Cracki> wikipedia says nothing about AC 2017-11-15T01:33:03 < upgrdman> i should just make my own poe switch, with hooked and blackjack. 48VDC ALL THE PINS 2017-11-15T01:33:06 < Laurenceb_> nevar forget https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/7/0/8/7/11361-03.jpg 2017-11-15T01:33:07 < Cracki> no actually, ac just is inconvenient I'd say 2017-11-15T01:33:31 < Cracki> tho probably propagates more easily 2017-11-15T01:33:39 < Cracki> hm, not even that! 2017-11-15T01:33:43 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, wtf is that real? 2017-11-15T01:34:00 < Laurenceb_> yes 2017-11-15T01:34:03 < upgrdman> those italian faggots could even make it fits onto an UNO? 2017-11-15T01:34:22 < Laurenceb_> https://grobotronics.com/images/detailed/10/42e87267e987affc3d8280ac80703471.image.538x354.jpg 2017-11-15T01:34:33 < Laurenceb_> they did it again 2017-11-15T01:34:48 < upgrdman> not very kawaii. 2017-11-15T01:34:51 < Getty> i found it always kinda confusing that we have those ethernet via power devices but no movement of devices that are lan connected via power 2017-11-15T01:34:53 < upgrdman> arduino needs some japs 2017-11-15T01:35:36 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-15T01:35:40 < Cracki> what exactly is that pcb standing on the main pcb? 2017-11-15T01:35:51 < Cracki> looks transformerisch 2017-11-15T01:35:53 < Laurenceb_> DC-DC 2017-11-15T01:36:11 < Laurenceb_> why they couldnt put it on the main pcb boggles the mind 2017-11-15T01:36:12 < Cracki> down from what, mains? 2017-11-15T01:36:17 < Laurenceb_> 48v or so 2017-11-15T01:36:29 < Cracki> those components look huge 2017-11-15T01:37:14 < Laurenceb_> welcome to arduino land 2017-11-15T01:37:30 < upgrdman> was probably the cheapest way to get a 48V -> 5V DCDC 2017-11-15T01:37:53 < upgrdman> i mean theres lots of SO8 + SMD L/C ways to do it, but not for super cheap 2017-11-15T01:38:03 < upgrdman> >24Vin DCDC tends to be pricey 2017-11-15T01:38:51 < Laurenceb_> so many tarduino boards 2017-11-15T01:39:20 < kakimir> englishman: nice movie 2017-11-15T01:39:23 < Laurenceb_> still no arduino full retard 2017-11-15T01:39:29 < kakimir> proper 90s 2017-11-15T01:40:46 < Laurenceb_> wew they went sigfox 2017-11-15T01:40:48 < Laurenceb_> https://grobotronics.com/images/detailed/10/42e87267e987affc3d8280ac80703471.image.538x354.jpg 2017-11-15T01:40:53 < Laurenceb_> where is ur lora now 2017-11-15T01:41:17 < kakimir> upgrdman: look at your device to be powered 2017-11-15T01:41:25 < Laurenceb_> erm https://www.arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/mkrfox1200_featured.jpg 2017-11-15T01:42:02 < Laurenceb_> if thats a sigfox module I would buy the modules 2017-11-15T01:42:22 < kakimir> active poe is when you want to power whole computer based client or so 2017-11-15T01:42:32 < kakimir> at least the highest power options 2017-11-15T01:42:50 < kakimir> 75W power iirc 2017-11-15T01:43:05 < kakimir> low power shiet just uses passive usua 2017-11-15T01:43:07 < Laurenceb_> oh nice 2017-11-15T01:43:08 < kakimir> lly 2017-11-15T01:43:24 < Laurenceb_> tarduino sell sigfox modules with 140messages/day for 2 years 2017-11-15T01:44:50 < Laurenceb_> their first worthwhile project 2017-11-15T01:45:32 < Laurenceb_> lul they buy them from atmel 2017-11-15T01:45:40 < Laurenceb_> I'll take that one back 2017-11-15T01:47:25 < upgrdman> what is a sigfox 2017-11-15T01:48:00 < Laurenceb_> le epin network 2017-11-15T01:48:19 < Laurenceb_> like sms but without nasty gsm modules eating ur power and money 2017-11-15T01:48:29 < upgrdman> o 2017-11-15T01:48:34 < Laurenceb_> it runs on ism band with 20mw or so 2017-11-15T01:48:36 < upgrdman> what freq does it use 2017-11-15T01:48:38 < upgrdman> 2.4? 2017-11-15T01:48:41 < Laurenceb_> 434 or 868 2017-11-15T01:48:55 < upgrdman> and theres like cell tower or something it talks to? 2017-11-15T01:49:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2017-11-15T01:49:19 < upgrdman> or do you have to YOLO your order netowrk 2017-11-15T01:49:40 < Laurenceb_> there is existing network, you can buy annual subscriptions 2017-11-15T01:49:45 < upgrdman> k 2017-11-15T01:49:53 < Laurenceb_> its linked to ur mac rather than sim card 2017-11-15T01:50:02 < upgrdman> k 2017-11-15T01:50:06 < Laurenceb_> inb4 sigfox/twitter integration 2017-11-15T01:50:31 < Laurenceb_> ditches filled with solar powered trump emulators when 2017-11-15T01:54:32 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T01:55:33 < kakimir> have you ever thought about it.. it would be really cool to see nuclear explosion live? 2017-11-15T01:56:03 < kakimir> like not like right under it but like 10-20km away? 2017-11-15T01:56:28 < kakimir> also *nuclear explosion test 2017-11-15T01:57:08 < upgrdman> sure 2017-11-15T01:57:18 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T01:57:38 < upgrdman> i wonder if you'd feel warmth from that distances 2017-11-15T01:57:49 < kakimir> trinity and beyond is like the on of the most beautiful movie I have seen 2017-11-15T01:57:59 < kakimir> *movies 2017-11-15T02:00:33 < kakimir> sun scorched landscapes, bikini atoli, dudes in their havaiji shirts or without shirt working for the dragon to become alive 2017-11-15T02:05:33 -!- ingrix [~ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T02:05:41 < kakimir> then immense amount of fire and destruction in a blink of eye 2017-11-15T02:07:51 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-15T02:10:28 < kakimir> and a giant steam pilar punching it's way toward skies 2017-11-15T02:12:08 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T02:14:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T02:14:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-15T02:14:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T02:14:30 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T02:16:09 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-15T02:18:58 < Laurenceb_> https://www.nnss.gov/pages/PublicAffairsOutreach/NNSStours.html 2017-11-15T02:19:00 < Laurenceb_> related 2017-11-15T02:19:50 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vGbw99SwiPU/maxresdefault.jpg 2017-11-15T02:19:51 < Laurenceb_> epin 2017-11-15T02:21:39 < Laurenceb_> http://cabinetmagazine.org/issues/13/Masco_House1_web.jpg 2017-11-15T02:23:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/app/uploads/2015/07/Trinity-Site6-1024x669.jpg 2017-11-15T02:23:17 < Laurenceb_> >Murica 2017-11-15T02:25:01 < kakimir> anything you do lawsuit is implied 2017-11-15T02:25:39 < Laurenceb_> >Literally nuke the desert near where people live 2017-11-15T02:25:45 < Laurenceb_> >half of them get cancer 2017-11-15T02:26:02 < Laurenceb_> >someone takes some moltern desert as a momento 2017-11-15T02:26:32 < Laurenceb_> >thats illegal theft, ur in prison 4 lief 2017-11-15T02:28:11 < upgrdman> isnt "illegal theft" redundant 2017-11-15T02:28:29 < upgrdman> you should go full reddit and call it "highly illegal" 2017-11-15T02:30:14 < Laurenceb_> radioactively illegal 2017-11-15T02:41:58 < Laurenceb_> 4D underwater backgammon. Stay tuned for YUGE announcement! 2017-11-15T02:48:56 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T02:54:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-15T02:59:46 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T03:13:27 < englishman> mildly illegal 2017-11-15T03:15:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T03:20:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T04:08:33 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T04:09:33 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T04:12:45 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-15T04:12:54 -!- msichal [~msichal@user-109-243-36-94.play-internet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T04:13:35 < msichal> anyone here using keil? i have trouble using vs(n)printf, and i've got no clue how to get it working, seems like it's not included in libc 2017-11-15T04:15:19 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T04:17:26 < englishman> yeah, but only used sprintf 2017-11-15T04:18:49 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-15T04:18:50 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-15T04:19:34 < englishman> what's the error 2017-11-15T04:19:50 < englishman> shouldn't need anything besides stdio include 2017-11-15T04:20:32 < englishman> also I don't think they call it libc 2017-11-15T04:21:02 < branjb> isn't there some version of newlib-nano w/o printf support, or it's just stubbed 2017-11-15T04:21:07 < branjb> I seem to remember that somewhere 2017-11-15T04:22:03 < englishman> this is Keil tho not lunix crap 2017-11-15T04:23:05 < msichal> sprintf works fine 2017-11-15T04:23:23 < msichal> but it can't find vsprintf or vsnprintf 2017-11-15T04:24:07 < msichal> and I can't even google anything, all I can find using keil + vsprintf is some '51 documentation for keil, which includes vsprintf 2017-11-15T04:25:09 < msichal> maybe I'll try adding GCC to keil... 2017-11-15T04:25:43 < englishman> are you using armcc or the new clang one 2017-11-15T04:29:55 < msichal> I think I've tried every compiler, they're just named version 5 or 6, I think 6 would be the clang 2017-11-15T04:30:47 < msichal> well, every -there are 4 options available, but two of them are basically default ver 5 and default ver 6, so remaining two would probably do the same 2017-11-15T04:31:28 < msichal> also disabling "use microlib" doesn't work either 2017-11-15T04:41:04 < msichal> i'm a fucking idiot 2017-11-15T04:41:12 < msichal> thanks for help 2017-11-15T04:41:40 < msichal> all the time it was "vsprinf" 2017-11-15T04:41:43 -!- msichal [~msichal@user-109-243-36-94.play-internet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-15T04:43:10 < englishman> heh 2017-11-15T04:43:58 < branjb> sounds like me 2017-11-15T04:45:10 < englishman> are you bored at your 9-5 yet 2017-11-15T04:45:16 < branjb> dude 2017-11-15T04:45:20 < branjb> i wish 2017-11-15T04:45:22 < branjb> it's 7-5 2017-11-15T04:45:47 < englishman> how will you ever have time to offroad and wash your four pickup trucks 2017-11-15T04:46:08 < branjb> 9 40 modified work schedule shit, so every other friday off 2017-11-15T04:46:53 < branjb> i have 0 pickup trucks 2017-11-15T04:46:58 < branjb> i want one though 2017-11-15T04:53:22 < upgrdman> what's the appeal of a truck? 2017-11-15T04:53:35 < upgrdman> not being judgmental, i just dont see it. 2017-11-15T04:53:35 < branjb> running over priuses 2017-11-15T04:54:03 < englishman> cali vs. arizona 2017-11-15T04:54:09 < branjb> i like to do a lot of woodworking projects, it's a pain to fit 10 ft 2x4's in my jeep 2017-11-15T04:54:25 < englishman> do you really 2017-11-15T04:54:30 < englishman> im building a cedar fence 2017-11-15T04:54:38 < englishman> finished frame on sunday 2017-11-15T04:54:45 < branjb> nice 2017-11-15T04:54:50 < englishman> aldo been thru a gallon of teak oil 2017-11-15T04:54:53 < englishman> already* 2017-11-15T04:55:02 < branjb> what perimeter? 2017-11-15T04:55:08 < englishman> uhm 2017-11-15T04:55:18 < englishman> 9+14+14 feet or so 2017-11-15T04:55:24 < englishman> to go around the hot tub 2017-11-15T04:55:27 < englishman> 8' high 2017-11-15T04:55:30 < branjb> ah not too bad 2017-11-15T04:55:35 < branjb> skinny dipping height 2017-11-15T04:55:43 < englishman> well i do that already 2017-11-15T04:55:53 < englishman> it mostly for wind 2017-11-15T04:57:03 < englishman> whats your latest wood project 2017-11-15T04:57:12 < branjb> my next project will be a bunch of work benches 2017-11-15T04:57:47 < englishman> mm 2017-11-15T04:57:50 < englishman> i got good at those 2017-11-15T04:57:54 < englishman> 1" mdf tops 2017-11-15T04:57:59 < upgrdman> eww MDF 2017-11-15T04:58:24 < englishman> got a mitre saw this year 2017-11-15T04:59:13 < branjb> got any good builds instructions? i'm thinking something like this but longer: https://imgur.com/a/WUwaI 2017-11-15T04:59:17 < branjb> nice 2017-11-15T04:59:29 < branjb> mitre saw opens the door to aluminum extrusion projects 2017-11-15T04:59:39 < englishman> yeah a bit like that 2017-11-15T04:59:39 < upgrdman> step 1: cut 4x4, step 2: screw them together, step 3: done. 2017-11-15T04:59:48 < englishman> frame up the top 2017-11-15T05:00:09 < englishman> then add legs and some stringers 2017-11-15T05:00:30 < englishman> also 2017-11-15T05:00:36 < englishman> i got the kreg pocket hole tools 2017-11-15T05:00:41 < englishman> gr8 stuff 2017-11-15T05:02:09 < upgrdman> lolwut https://imgur.com/gallery/pDqvTLN 2017-11-15T05:02:58 < branjb> this is upgrdman's bench: https://imgur.com/a/bmUj4 2017-11-15T05:03:28 < upgrdman> lol, looks flimsy as fuck 2017-11-15T05:03:52 < upgrdman> although tbh, my current "bench" is an ikea desktop sitting on some ikea drawers :/ 2017-11-15T05:08:10 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/gallery/Kf5q4 2017-11-15T05:09:48 < branjb> jk its a date 2017-11-15T05:17:05 < branjb> https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7csscc/grower_hides_from_swat_in_warehouse_closet/ 2017-11-15T05:18:46 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/xnB0J looks like a pretty solid build 2017-11-15T05:23:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-15T05:24:07 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T05:24:10 < stvn> bad goys 2017-11-15T05:25:54 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T05:28:35 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-15T05:30:21 < englishman> i hear stvn is getting gay married 2017-11-15T05:30:56 < stvn> nty 2017-11-15T05:33:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T05:37:35 < branjb> app that removes makeup from womens pictures 2017-11-15T05:37:38 < branjb> pretty hilarious 2017-11-15T05:38:37 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/4T2MX 2017-11-15T05:54:57 < stvn> add meth abuse too 2017-11-15T05:55:01 < stvn> click the button 2017-11-15T06:03:52 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/n4RMLry.jpg 2017-11-15T06:14:05 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T06:20:38 < tpw_rules> are literally any of those realistic 2017-11-15T06:20:51 < branjb> judging by how outraged roasties are on twitter, ya 2017-11-15T06:21:13 < tpw_rules> wouldn't it be the opposite 2017-11-15T06:22:26 < tpw_rules> you should put on some makeup and try it 2017-11-15T06:29:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-15T06:30:25 < stvn> roasties lol 2017-11-15T06:40:23 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-15T06:46:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T07:03:22 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T07:06:41 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T07:06:41 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-15T07:21:36 < branjb> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipN71f2zKRi5JgVGxhugmmzyn3Pmk1oSiRJil0Ci 2017-11-15T07:38:55 < jsoft> Hmm. 2017-11-15T07:39:19 < jsoft> Why might a buffering LM358 have a clipping bottom above GND do you think? It's a single rail 2017-11-15T07:48:41 < jsoft> Ahh 2017-11-15T07:49:03 < jsoft> It's crossover distortion at lower freqs, a pull 1k pull down fixes it :) 2017-11-15T07:49:22 < jsoft> Oh, I thought this was #electronics, doh 2017-11-15T08:35:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-15T08:42:53 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T09:06:01 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T09:25:12 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T09:25:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b3e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T09:28:57 < ohsix> qyx: it basically working saved my buns today heheh 2017-11-15T09:29:38 < ohsix> but gprs and stuff wasn't working, didn't have the stuff to test other junk until i got home; go tother sim and another module with a sim900 on it 2017-11-15T09:30:26 < ohsix> it's awesome basic functionality works, i never noticed the titles in the sim800 docs and what they implied when they overlapped with 3gpp standards :{ 2017-11-15T09:32:12 < ohsix> a bunch of shit on the edge of the sim800 that's super useful isn't broken out on the fona thing we had to mess with 2017-11-15T09:44:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b3e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T09:44:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b3e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-15T09:47:19 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T09:49:20 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T09:56:23 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-15T09:57:02 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T10:00:00 -!- munki_ [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T10:01:04 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-15T10:04:29 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T10:08:51 -!- munki_ [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T10:11:01 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-b3e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T10:20:09 < qyx> my smps beeps 2017-11-15T10:27:15 < Steffanx> Where is stvn? 2017-11-15T10:28:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:5cc1:6796:0:a1fb:4fb7:20af:ac59] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T10:29:33 -!- dekar [~dekar@2002:5cc1:6796:0:a1fb:4fb7:20af:ac59] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-15T10:40:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T10:47:05 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T11:05:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-15T11:08:40 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2017-11-15T11:14:47 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T11:20:31 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T11:23:43 < ohsix> got internet to work for like one packet, something in the modem that had been changed was fuckign it all up 2017-11-15T11:24:32 < ohsix> for the simtech stuff, AT&F0 -> ATE0&W 2017-11-15T11:24:57 < ohsix> huhu it's awesome thsi shit approximates 'just working' 2017-11-15T11:26:53 < ohsix> everything that touches the phone network is slow as f' to change state 2017-11-15T11:37:55 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-15T11:41:59 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T12:04:03 < ohsix> modemmanager's dbus api is kind of annoying tho, owing to the 3gpp stuff where messages can be stored in different places, and shit like multiple bearers. 2017-11-15T12:16:38 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T12:34:34 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T12:41:43 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T12:42:10 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T12:46:34 < jsoft> I am trying to change a global char to -1 in an interrupt handler. For some reason, the main loop which checks for != 0 on the same variable, never thinks it is < 0. Any ideas? 2017-11-15T12:46:52 < jpa-> jsoft: have you specified it to be "volatile"? 2017-11-15T12:47:07 < stvn> greeting 2017-11-15T12:47:08 < zyp> no, he haven't, and that's the problem 2017-11-15T12:47:13 < jpa-> otherwise if the main loop never calls any external functions, the compiler can assume that the variable cannot change 2017-11-15T12:48:12 < jsoft> jpa-, yes 2017-11-15T12:48:50 < zyp> jsoft, pastebin your code? 2017-11-15T12:50:17 < jsoft> https://pastebin.com/tVXLnjk0 2017-11-15T12:50:39 < zyp> that's not enough 2017-11-15T12:50:52 < jpa-> i see no globals there 2017-11-15T12:51:04 < jsoft> the global is volatile char filter_changed 2017-11-15T12:51:14 < jsoft> the global is volatile char filter_change I mean 2017-11-15T12:51:20 < stvn> lol 2017-11-15T12:52:01 < jpa-> jsoft: is char signed or unsigned on your toolchain? 2017-11-15T12:52:18 < jpa-> (IIRC it is unsigned by default on cortex-m gcc) 2017-11-15T12:52:26 < jsoft> I am using gcc. 2017-11-15T12:52:49 < zyp> the argument to the exti callback looks like a bitmap, if so you're assuming that only one of those bits can be set at a time 2017-11-15T12:53:45 < jpa-> jsoft: so your char type is unsigned and it will not be less than 0 2017-11-15T12:54:35 < jsoft> Ok, so a short or a long should be unsigned right? 2017-11-15T12:54:51 < jpa-> *signed, yeah, you can use int or "signed char" if you really want 2017-11-15T12:54:56 < zyp> why not use stdint types? 2017-11-15T12:55:06 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: i miss steffan] 2017-11-15T12:55:31 < jpa-> it rarely makes sense to use short and char on 32 bit platforms, as the compiler may have to emit extra instructions to mask the top bits 2017-11-15T12:55:53 < zyp> that too 2017-11-15T12:56:26 < jpa-> i just use 'int' in most places 2017-11-15T12:56:35 < jsoft> ok well, int8_t no change. 2017-11-15T12:56:38 < jsoft> long, no change. 2017-11-15T12:56:58 < jsoft> i must be missing something captain obvious here 2017-11-15T12:57:03 < jpa-> so does the variable actually change when you check with debugger? 2017-11-15T12:57:10 < zyp> jsoft, did you see what I said about bitmap? 2017-11-15T12:59:11 < jsoft> zyp, ok 2017-11-15T12:59:40 < zyp> I kinda doubt that's your main issue now, but it's still something that could bite you 2017-11-15T12:59:57 < jsoft> zyp, I get what you are saying, but unless there is some weird thing I am missing, the filter_change = -1; is for sure being triggered. 2017-11-15T13:00:20 < zyp> how do you tell? 2017-11-15T13:00:41 < jsoft> I can see a change on the scope. 2017-11-15T13:00:42 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5f598d36.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T13:00:53 < zyp> the change of what? 2017-11-15T13:01:00 < jsoft> A change. It works. 2017-11-15T13:01:09 < jsoft> So it is changing the filter. 2017-11-15T13:01:26 < jsoft> I see a pause in filter output, and then it carries on. 2017-11-15T13:01:33 < jsoft> Comment it out, continuous 2017-11-15T13:01:38 < jpa-> so it is working now after you fixed the char bug? 2017-11-15T13:01:45 < jsoft> No it is not working. 2017-11-15T13:02:04 < zyp> you are not being very clear on what is working and what is not 2017-11-15T13:02:24 < zyp> 12:01:00 < jsoft> A change. It works. 2017-11-15T13:02:26 < jsoft> Ok so what is not working, is that it never seems to think change_filter is < 0 2017-11-15T13:02:27 < zyp> 12:01:45 < jsoft> No it is not working. 2017-11-15T13:02:38 < jsoft> filter_change I mean 2017-11-15T13:02:57 < jsoft> But it does not see it as < 0. 2017-11-15T13:03:07 < jpa-> what does it do instead? 2017-11-15T13:03:20 < jsoft> It sees it as > 0 2017-11-15T13:03:35 < jpa-> but your > 0 condition doesn't do anything 2017-11-15T13:04:08 < jsoft> It does if I uncomment it. 2017-11-15T13:04:13 < jsoft> It increments the filter. 2017-11-15T13:04:36 < jpa-> and how do you determine that an increment of filter is occurring and a decrement is not occurring? 2017-11-15T13:04:44 < jsoft> oled display 2017-11-15T13:05:45 < jpa-> why not just put a breakpoint there on lines 8 and 11 and see what value filter_change really has? 2017-11-15T13:05:46 < jsoft> In addition the filter output changes in accordance with the filter 2017-11-15T13:05:58 < jsoft> I've not set up debgging stuff yet 2017-11-15T13:06:05 < jpa-> do that now 2017-11-15T13:06:14 < jpa-> otherwise you'll just be wasting your and our time 2017-11-15T13:06:20 < jsoft> :| 2017-11-15T13:06:41 < jsoft> All right, thanks. 2017-11-15T13:17:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T13:36:41 < jsoft> Figured it 2017-11-15T13:36:52 < jsoft> it was the comparison between filter_number and fp_size 2017-11-15T13:36:59 < jsoft> fp_size being unsigned 2017-11-15T13:37:13 < jsoft> which means > 0 2017-11-15T13:38:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T13:54:17 < jpa-> is there any nice way on STM32 SPI slave to get interrupt when the transfer is done (master raises NSS), or do I have to just use EXTI for it? 2017-11-15T13:59:16 < Lux> i think you have to use EXTI 2017-11-15T13:59:30 < jpa-> yeah, seems so 2017-11-15T13:59:58 < Lux> or if you know how much data is transfered and are using dma you could use the dma interrupt 2017-11-15T14:00:28 < Lux> but i guess that's rarely the case 2017-11-15T14:00:32 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T14:01:25 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T14:02:35 < jpa-> yeah, i don't want to rely on it because then even a single too short transfer would cause it to do out of sync 2017-11-15T14:05:22 < zyp> that surprised me when I did SPI slave too 2017-11-15T14:06:44 < zyp> I ended up just not caring about NSS at all and using byte timing instead 2017-11-15T14:07:08 < jpa-> byte timing? 2017-11-15T14:07:20 < zyp> i.e. state machine resets if there's been a ~2ms gap between bytes 2017-11-15T14:07:31 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp?h=ps2#n208 2017-11-15T14:08:04 < jpa-> ah 2017-11-15T14:08:06 < zyp> I can do it because I know that the master is issuing commands at a fixed interval significantly longer than that 2017-11-15T14:08:27 < jpa-> that sounds like stuff that would come back to bite me as soon as i'd try to debug this with usb-spi-adapter :P 2017-11-15T14:08:36 < zyp> :) 2017-11-15T14:51:32 < Laurenceb> hyperrectangle 2017-11-15T14:54:59 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T14:58:42 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-15T15:13:22 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVa_ox6nUrc 2017-11-15T15:13:39 < Ultrasauce> this is what baird is doing since he stopped gracing us with his presenc 2017-11-15T15:16:47 < Laurenceb> in the UK we might soon have a KANG 2017-11-15T15:31:33 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/66R7DU6 2017-11-15T15:31:38 < Laurenceb> I liek this timeline 2017-11-15T15:35:57 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TheHaggening 2017-11-15T15:38:57 < kakimir> there is an app that removes makeup? 2017-11-15T15:39:04 < kakimir> #future 2017-11-15T15:51:15 < kakimir> ES120 is really nice for laptop repairs and such 2017-11-15T15:51:26 < kakimir> screws are removed like boom boom 2017-11-15T15:54:18 < BrainDamage> well, it does't just remove makeup it arbitrarily introduces defects that may or may be not be there originally 2017-11-15T15:56:20 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/jk4LLDUQ 2017-11-15T15:56:33 < Laurenceb> new copypasta 2017-11-15T15:57:35 < Ultrasauce> is it my turn? 2017-11-15T15:57:50 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Ultrasauce] by ChanServ 2017-11-15T15:58:01 < Laurenceb> wut 2017-11-15T15:58:18 < Laurenceb> when do I get ops? 2017-11-15T15:58:21 <@Ultrasauce> you know damn well wut 2017-11-15T15:58:36 < Laurenceb> copypasta is lief 2017-11-15T15:58:52 < englishman> ultradork 2017-11-15T16:00:00 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Ultrasauce] by Ultrasauce 2017-11-15T16:00:02 < Ultrasauce> lost cause tbh 2017-11-15T16:02:49 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T16:06:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T16:07:22 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T16:07:36 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-15T16:08:06 < ReadErr> dongs: weev says hi 2017-11-15T16:08:20 < Laurenceb> w e w 2017-11-15T16:10:04 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T16:29:16 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T16:29:16 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-15T16:29:16 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T16:35:40 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/Rlcmb0u 2017-11-15T16:35:54 < Laurenceb> I see they have been hard at work 2017-11-15T16:37:44 < kakimir> is eagle free anymore? 2017-11-15T16:38:16 < kakimir> or any better than it was? 2017-11-15T16:38:24 < Laurenceb> yes there is a free eagle 2017-11-15T16:38:31 < Laurenceb> 2 layers with size limit as before aiui 2017-11-15T16:38:37 < kakimir> autodesk is making money out of turds 2017-11-15T16:38:46 < BrainDamage> eagle is subscription only now 2017-11-15T16:38:54 < Laurenceb> apparently kicad is now usable 2017-11-15T16:38:59 < kakimir> they know monitarization 2017-11-15T16:39:00 < Laurenceb> wut 2017-11-15T16:39:06 < BrainDamage> you can always pretend you're a student to get it free for a while 2017-11-15T16:39:08 < Laurenceb> I downloaded it about 4 weeks ago 2017-11-15T16:39:20 < Laurenceb> maybe I got warez, I forget 2017-11-15T16:40:18 < BrainDamage> oh, nvm they kept the free version 2017-11-15T16:40:23 < BrainDamage> i tought they removed it 2017-11-15T16:40:58 < Laurenceb> ree why is methlab so slow 2017-11-15T16:41:00 < kakimir> okay they want autodesk account 2017-11-15T16:41:06 < Laurenceb> >write a simple loop 2017-11-15T16:41:11 < Laurenceb> >it takes 20 minutes to run 2017-11-15T16:41:21 < kakimir> anyone have pre-autodesk binaries? 2017-11-15T16:41:30 < kakimir> to illegally distribute to me 2017-11-15T16:41:47 < BrainDamage> because you're not supposed to have loops in methlab, you're supposed to build pipelines with the builtin tools 2017-11-15T16:41:56 < Laurenceb> ikr 2017-11-15T16:41:59 < Laurenceb> so stupid 2017-11-15T16:42:08 < kakimir> where is my instrumentation amplifier files 2017-11-15T16:42:42 < kakimir> time to download latest kicad too 2017-11-15T16:42:44 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-103-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T16:49:45 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-103-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-15T16:51:03 < kakimir> I have used eagle in 2015 :| 2017-11-15T16:57:00 < Laurenceb> anyone know much about usb audio? 2017-11-15T16:57:22 * Laurenceb is looking for a way to convert an asynchronous adc into synchronous 2017-11-15T16:57:37 < kakimir> it's a mess all I know 2017-11-15T16:57:50 < Laurenceb> it should be fairly easy using libusb, but I wonder if there is existing support in ALSA or whatever 2017-11-15T17:04:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T17:06:08 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-15T17:28:10 < kakimir> I need crimping tool for small terminals such as dupont 2017-11-15T17:28:18 < kakimir> female terminals 2017-11-15T17:30:00 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T17:31:09 < englishman> Laurenceb> apparently kicad is now usable 2017-11-15T17:31:10 < englishman> lol 2017-11-15T17:31:30 < englishman> if you consider a random assortment of lunix scripts that barely work together "usable" 2017-11-15T17:31:48 < englishman> kaks fuck that 2017-11-15T17:31:58 < englishman> just buy factory crimped wire leads 2017-11-15T17:32:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T17:33:23 < kakimir> something like the crimps in basic electrician tool but for smaller diameter 2017-11-15T17:34:28 < kakimir> http://tuotteet.etra.fi/tuotekuvat/e6696254/ those Rull-press-ning things 2017-11-15T17:34:40 < kakimir> is it some word in english or german? 2017-11-15T17:35:53 < Ultrasauce> you want a ratcheting crimp tool 2017-11-15T17:36:41 < branjb> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AVVO7K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 works p well 2017-11-15T17:36:56 < kakimir> yyes 2017-11-15T17:37:54 < kakimir> englishman: in my case it's not always and option.. or is it 2017-11-15T17:37:57 < kakimir> just buy pigtails 2017-11-15T17:38:16 < englishman> then you did not buy enough 2017-11-15T17:38:42 < kakimir> nah.. bigtails have bad availibility in the usual suspects 2017-11-15T17:38:50 < kakimir> *pig 2017-11-15T17:39:18 < kakimir> pig = possu in finnish 2017-11-15T17:39:31 < kakimir> exact animal name is sika 2017-11-15T17:40:13 < kakimir> possu is like "piggie" "piggy" 2017-11-15T17:40:52 < kakimir> babe the pig = babe - urhea possu 2017-11-15T17:41:44 < kakimir> there is a movie recommd for the night for you 2017-11-15T17:42:15 < englishman> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1454505/ 2017-11-15T17:43:01 < kakimir> hey englishman that is really nice movie 2017-11-15T17:44:21 < kakimir> for a finnish production it tops up 2017-11-15T17:44:33 < kakimir> did you see it yet? 2017-11-15T17:45:05 < englishman> no it's been in the queue 2017-11-15T17:45:22 < englishman> havent watcned any tv in months 2017-11-15T17:46:11 < Laurenceb> https://vimeo.com/242630004 2017-11-15T17:46:22 < kakimir> as a canadian you may relate to it 2017-11-15T17:46:33 < kakimir> do you get subs for it englishman ? 2017-11-15T17:46:42 < englishman> yes 2017-11-15T17:46:58 < Laurenceb> https://ac.els-cdn.com/S1877050915024229/1-s2.0-S1877050915024229-main.pdf?_tid=2f2c29e2-ca1c-11e7-abf3-00000aacb35e&acdnat=1510760985_866caf79747caef85ab57bf809fe08f0 2017-11-15T17:47:08 < Laurenceb> >investigated by Nikola Tesla 2017-11-15T17:47:28 < Laurenceb> >u n i r o n i c a l l y 2017-11-15T17:47:51 < Laurenceb> >is patents are now common ground for any power transmission technology research 2017-11-15T17:47:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZD9S_KkHrg trailer 2017-11-15T17:47:51 < branjb> the fact that he used a walkie talkie at :50 to tell the other dude to turn it on tells me everything i need to know 2017-11-15T17:47:53 < Laurenceb> my sides 2017-11-15T17:48:34 < branjb> whens the kickstarter launching? 2017-11-15T17:49:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T17:49:17 < kakimir> englishman: start your torrent client 2017-11-15T17:49:19 < englishman> hey lets see what happens if we take this winding and put current thru it and put another winding inside 2017-11-15T17:49:26 < branjb> lol 2017-11-15T17:49:39 < branjb> >Comments are disabled. 2017-11-15T17:52:19 < Laurenceb> error estimator is running https://pastebin.com/NFzdqFRu 2017-11-15T17:52:32 < Laurenceb> still can't work out a way to estimate gyro offset error tho 2017-11-15T17:53:30 < englishman> References 2017-11-15T17:53:30 < englishman> 1. 2017-11-15T17:53:30 < englishman> Tesla N. Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy. Google Patents, 1900. 2017-11-15T17:53:34 < Laurenceb> looks like x and y accel axes are mismatched to z 2017-11-15T17:53:50 < Laurenceb> wew unironically believing Tesla 2017-11-15T17:53:57 < kakimir> drone charges in flight what? 2017-11-15T17:54:10 < Laurenceb> Tesla made Sawyer look sane 2017-11-15T17:54:28 < Laurenceb> Tesla made Trump look high IQ 2017-11-15T17:54:44 < kakimir> where is the transmitter? 2017-11-15T17:55:16 < kakimir> oh it's that loop 2017-11-15T17:55:22 < kakimir> supposedly 2017-11-15T17:55:40 < kakimir> how many kilowatts they use? 2017-11-15T17:55:50 < branjb> ok lets say it wasn't entirely a meme, wouldn't energy transfered fall off at 1/r^2 anyway? 2017-11-15T17:56:42 < kakimir> yes probs 2017-11-15T17:56:57 < branjb> so basically useless 2017-11-15T17:57:20 < kakimir> totally 2017-11-15T17:57:32 < kakimir> but easy scam money 2017-11-15T17:57:58 < kakimir> hear the soundtrack.. they are in for epic scam moneys 2017-11-15T17:58:07 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-15T17:58:12 < branjb> i'm surprised no kickstarter 2017-11-15T17:58:17 < branjb> or are they going for angel investors 2017-11-15T17:58:54 < Ultrasauce> nah it's a totally real product almost ready for market 2017-11-15T17:59:47 < branjb> Ultrasauce why are there so many autists in #robotics? 2017-11-15T18:00:32 < Ultrasauce> >irc 2017-11-15T18:03:35 < Ultrasauce> the real question is why do I engage 2017-11-15T18:03:37 < Ultrasauce> oh, also autism 2017-11-15T18:04:11 < qyx> interesting, my firmware hangs on a hardfault when compiled using gcc4.9, but works ok with GCC6 2017-11-15T18:04:13 < branjb> i don't engage, i type in there once a week 2017-11-15T18:14:30 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-15T18:14:50 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-15T18:15:08 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T18:16:46 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T18:22:03 < kakimir> https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1510758944678.jpg ebin 2017-11-15T18:22:47 < branjb> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1510757197486.jpg 2017-11-15T18:32:31 < BrainDamage> branjb: strictly speaking, 1/r^2 is for plane waves in far field, nfc cheats for instance by being near field 2017-11-15T18:33:00 < BrainDamage> gaussian beams like lasers also don't go to 1/r^2 until you're well past rayleight length 2017-11-15T18:34:44 < branjb> o ok, where do i invest? 2017-11-15T18:35:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-15T18:38:08 < BrainDamage> no, it's still retarded 2017-11-15T18:42:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-15T18:43:19 < kakimir> englishman: another good movie from helsinki filmi is "Tyttö sinä olet tähti" 2017-11-15T18:43:31 < englishman> beep ReadErr 2017-11-15T18:44:42 < englishman> thanks kak 2017-11-15T18:45:06 < ReadErr> h 2017-11-15T18:45:20 < englishman> ReadErr where do i find thermaltronics AF-KIT-1 2017-11-15T18:45:32 < ReadErr> wats that 2017-11-15T18:45:38 < englishman> auto solder feed kit 2017-11-15T18:45:52 < ReadErr> oh, try that one guy that sells on amazon/ebay 2017-11-15T18:45:58 < englishman> did :( 2017-11-15T18:46:02 < ReadErr> no have? 2017-11-15T18:46:11 < englishman> only desoldering 2017-11-15T18:46:15 < englishman> not soldering 2017-11-15T18:47:03 < ReadErr> oh 2017-11-15T18:47:08 < ReadErr> how do they feed those things 2017-11-15T18:47:11 < englishman> doesnt have the fume extractor either 2017-11-15T18:47:11 < ReadErr> wheels? 2017-11-15T18:47:15 < englishman> stepper motor on the base 2017-11-15T18:47:20 < englishman> looks pretty dope 2017-11-15T18:47:26 < ReadErr> figure its like a tight tube 2017-11-15T18:47:29 < ReadErr> so it doesnt kink 2017-11-15T18:47:35 < englishman> yeah like weld wire feed 2017-11-15T18:47:41 < ReadErr> but how do they push it in 2017-11-15T18:47:42 < englishman> on a mig 2017-11-15T18:47:58 < ReadErr> since it could get jammed at the part between spool/tube 2017-11-15T18:48:00 < englishman> dono, there's a stout looking feeder box 2017-11-15T18:48:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T18:48:12 < englishman> the fact it takes 0.6mm tells me it's gentle 2017-11-15T18:48:55 < ReadErr> is it made for just 1 diameter ? 2017-11-15T18:49:01 < englishman> http://www.thermaltronics.com/af-kit.php 2017-11-15T18:49:02 < englishman> no 2017-11-15T18:49:13 < englishman> includes Nozzle Pack 2017-11-15T18:49:38 < ReadErr> oh thats cool 2017-11-15T18:49:43 < ReadErr> uses your existing psu 2017-11-15T18:49:47 < englishman> yeah 2017-11-15T18:49:49 < englishman> and handle 2017-11-15T18:50:05 < englishman> tho you can get the -1M kit that includes another one 2017-11-15T18:50:21 < englishman> cant find it anywhere tho 2017-11-15T18:50:26 < englishman> and really want one like today 2017-11-15T18:50:30 < ReadErr> http://www.thermaltronics.com/tmt-r9800s.php 2017-11-15T18:50:51 < englishman> wait 2017-11-15T18:51:04 < englishman> this looks like it solders from above 2017-11-15T18:51:05 < englishman> why 2017-11-15T18:51:24 < ReadErr> digikey might have the thing 2017-11-15T18:51:30 < ReadErr> theres another brand thats the same 2017-11-15T18:51:36 < englishman> they have thermaldonix??? 2017-11-15T18:51:37 < ReadErr> wick 2017-11-15T18:51:43 < ReadErr> erm 2017-11-15T18:51:47 < ReadErr> dongs got his handle 2017-11-15T18:51:51 < ReadErr> from them 2017-11-15T18:51:59 < ReadErr> its like a digikey only thing 2017-11-15T18:52:08 < ReadErr> easybraid 2017-11-15T18:52:10 < ReadErr> thats it 2017-11-15T18:52:26 < englishman> oh wow 2017-11-15T18:52:36 < englishman> clonez 2017-11-15T18:52:54 < englishman> desoldering only :( 2017-11-15T18:53:00 < ReadErr> ghey 2017-11-15T18:53:08 < ReadErr> pretty sure they are the same things tho lol 2017-11-15T18:53:14 < ReadErr> brand i mean 2017-11-15T18:53:15 < englishman> yeah 2017-11-15T18:53:17 < englishman> identical 2017-11-15T18:53:23 < englishman> but thats great tho 2017-11-15T18:53:26 < ReadErr> but digikey has the exclusive on them 2017-11-15T18:53:29 < englishman> can get tips overnighted from digikey 2017-11-15T18:53:33 < ReadErr> so its prolly some rebrand shit ya 2017-11-15T18:54:21 < ReadErr> EasyBraid Company 2017-11-15T18:54:21 < ReadErr> 11543 K-Tel Drive 2017-11-15T18:54:21 < ReadErr> Minneapolis, Minnesota 55343 2017-11-15T18:54:24 < ReadErr> lol 2017-11-15T18:54:25 < englishman> $$$$$ tho 2017-11-15T18:54:27 < ReadErr> aint that the same city 2017-11-15T18:54:33 < ReadErr> or state i mean 2017-11-15T18:54:35 < englishman> as digikey? 2017-11-15T18:54:37 < ReadErr> ya 2017-11-15T18:54:43 < englishman> they are in thief river falls 2017-11-15T18:54:56 < englishman> but MN yea 2017-11-15T19:06:22 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@sienimetsa.wtf] by ChanServ 2017-11-15T19:06:39 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by ChanServ 2017-11-15T19:06:53 < Steffanx> No 4/8chan policy ftw 2017-11-15T19:07:49 < englishman> Steffanx: just got a call from ARROW asking when i will pay them for $75k plus $12 shipping worth of Edisons 2017-11-15T19:08:06 < Steffanx> Hah. Ofcourse 2017-11-15T19:08:24 < Thorn> my android app does not to disconnect from the device when closed. so the device does not restart advertising and when I reopen the app it can't see the device wtf 2017-11-15T19:09:17 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-15T19:12:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T19:22:12 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T19:33:08 < zyp> englishman, edisons you didn't get I assume? 2017-11-15T19:33:16 < englishman> yeah they arrived 2017-11-15T19:33:19 < zyp> oh 2017-11-15T19:33:24 < englishman> i had to ask the client if they got there 2017-11-15T19:33:26 < zyp> so why aren't they paid? 2017-11-15T19:33:29 < englishman> as i never got an invoice or ship notice 2017-11-15T19:33:30 < englishman> yes 2017-11-15T19:33:33 < zyp> ah 2017-11-15T19:33:34 < englishman> in like september 2017-11-15T19:34:00 < englishman> Thanks xxxx, I just located the funds. I will get them applied. 2017-11-15T19:34:23 < englishman> i guess this is not the first time they lost $75k this year 2017-11-15T19:44:07 < Steffanx> Im lost. You didnt pay for them edison, so what is the problem englishman ? 2017-11-15T19:44:16 < englishman> i did 2017-11-15T19:44:20 < Steffanx> Except for ARROW to be a bit slow 2017-11-15T19:45:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@193.151.40.199] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T19:46:27 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T19:49:13 < englishman> Former police chief who once said legalizing pot is like legalizing murder launching weed-related company 2017-11-15T19:52:09 < Thorn> Pot, Inc. 2017-11-15T19:58:06 < englishman> Canopy Growth Corp (TSE: $WEED) already has $3.5b+ market cap 2017-11-15T19:58:07 < englishman> so yea 2017-11-15T19:58:11 < englishman> lots of inc. 2017-11-15T19:59:54 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T20:03:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T20:03:57 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T20:11:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T20:13:00 -!- djos [~djos@mail.thorondir.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T20:30:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@m77-218-230-85.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T20:37:23 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/6f041e16a6/57917.gif 2017-11-15T20:50:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T20:53:58 < Steffanx> [18:33:24] i had to ask the client if they got there 2017-11-15T20:53:58 < Steffanx> [18:33:26] so why aren't they paid? 2017-11-15T20:54:02 < Steffanx> <= that confused me mr englishman :P 2017-11-15T20:54:16 < Steffanx> oops wrong copy paste 2017-11-15T20:54:44 < c10ud> holy fuck that new firefox is really snappy 2017-11-15T20:54:58 < englishman> it is 2017-11-15T20:55:06 < englishman> but the address bar is annoying 2017-11-15T20:55:11 < englishman> steffy when are you going to come work for me fulltime 2017-11-15T20:55:18 < englishman> or should i try to get someone cheaper like kaks 2017-11-15T20:55:24 < Steffanx> firefox 56? 2017-11-15T20:55:30 < c10ud> 57 2017-11-15T20:55:36 < Steffanx> my firefox only does 56 2017-11-15T20:55:39 < c10ud> address bar a-la-chrome? 2017-11-15T20:55:49 < englishman> yes 2017-11-15T20:56:08 < c10ud> meh, wasnt it already like that? I got used to it 2017-11-15T20:56:10 < englishman> i guess its just the same annoyances as chrome, but it hasnt learned my inputs yet 2017-11-15T20:56:27 < Steffanx> fuck that new purple colour. 2017-11-15T20:56:41 < Steffanx> fuck non-standard window colours 2017-11-15T20:56:47 < c10ud> yeah that sucks 2017-11-15T20:57:00 < englishman> its currently taking up half the ram of chrome with twice the open tabs 2017-11-15T20:57:01 < c10ud> mine is black though 2017-11-15T21:02:03 < Laurenceb> like ur dad 2017-11-15T21:06:17 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-15T21:06:49 < englishman> https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/1560561502302106918.png 2017-11-15T21:12:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T21:14:37 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-103-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T21:15:09 < TheSeven> hmm seems like on f2, the timers don't like being written to with byte accesses 2017-11-15T21:15:11 < TheSeven> they duplicate the written data into the high byte :/ 2017-11-15T21:15:23 < zyp> is this unique to f2? 2017-11-15T21:15:24 < TheSeven> and it doesn't look like I can tell DMA to zero-extend data (unlike on F0) 2017-11-15T21:17:09 < TheSeven> wastes quite a lot of RAM :/ 2017-11-15T21:18:02 < TheSeven> some clever idea how I can bitbang a manchester encoded signal (ws2811) in the background? 2017-11-15T21:18:43 < zyp> manchester? 2017-11-15T21:19:04 < TheSeven> ones and zeros encoded by pulses of different duty cycle 2017-11-15T21:19:21 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T21:19:46 < zyp> last I checked, manchester encodes were ones and zeros encoded by opposite phases 2017-11-15T21:20:04 < TheSeven> hmm... what was this called then 2017-11-15T21:20:17 < zyp> idk, but I've also done that 2017-11-15T21:20:42 < zyp> although I did it on f3, so I also read from 8 bit into a timer 2017-11-15T21:20:43 < TheSeven> DMA + timers is one way, but it blows up the data by a factor of 16 on F2 2017-11-15T21:20:57 < upgrdman> anyone used lwip? decent? any quirks i should know about. will be sending and receiving udp packets. 2017-11-15T21:21:35 < TheSeven> I guess I could also use a timer to trigger DMA writes to GPIO ports or something... 2017-11-15T21:21:46 < zyp> TheSeven, I have an idea, give me a moment 2017-11-15T21:22:02 < qyx> TheSeven: cannot you use usart+dma for that? 2017-11-15T21:22:13 < qyx> like they are doing with dallas 1wire 2017-11-15T21:22:39 < TheSeven> I could probably abuse a uart or SPI or whatnot to bitbang one of those at a time 2017-11-15T21:22:50 < TheSeven> timers or GPIO-DMA allow for multiple in parallel 2017-11-15T21:23:19 < zyp> TheSeven, which data rate was ws2811 again? 2017-11-15T21:23:23 < TheSeven> 800kHz 2017-11-15T21:23:36 < zyp> and the two duty targets are? 2017-11-15T21:24:38 < TheSeven> 20% and 48% 2017-11-15T21:25:29 < TheSeven> with carefully synced timers, I could have two DMA channels writing the rising edge and the (second) falling edge by throwing constant values at a GPIO, then have a third channel inject the actual data bit in the middle 2017-11-15T21:25:46 < zyp> yeah, I've thought about that before 2017-11-15T21:26:40 < zyp> all you need in that case is to transpose an array of rgb values to an array of bit-groups 2017-11-15T21:26:52 < zyp> makes sense if you have more than one channel 2017-11-15T21:26:59 < zyp> not so much if you only have one 2017-11-15T21:28:02 < TheSeven> I have 4 in this case on consecutive GPIOs, but annoyingly spanning a byte boundary :/ 2017-11-15T21:28:38 < zyp> that doesn't matter, you'd still have to write the entirety of BSRR if you wanna use other pins on the same port for anything else 2017-11-15T21:28:53 < zyp> but still 2017-11-15T21:29:15 < TheSeven> if I had planned this before designing the hardware, I could have got away with a GPIO port that has all pins but those on input or AF 2017-11-15T21:30:04 < zyp> is 24*4 bytes really that much for a temporary buffer? 2017-11-15T21:30:31 < zyp> or are you planning to buffer more than one rgb value? 2017-11-15T21:30:36 < TheSeven> I'll probably have to size it quite a bit bigger if I don't want to run into IRQ latency issues 2017-11-15T21:31:16 < zyp> nah, doing a pause in between 24-bit groups is not a big deal 2017-11-15T21:31:18 < zyp> I do that 2017-11-15T21:31:32 < TheSeven> depends on the length of the pause 2017-11-15T21:32:47 < TheSeven> and you'd have to end all groups with an intentional bit of pause to ensure that the timer doesn't produce spurious bits 2017-11-15T21:32:51 < zyp> yes 2017-11-15T21:32:53 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin/main.cpp?id=8d37e2d#n64 2017-11-15T21:33:09 < TheSeven> I'd prefer to produce a 100% clean signal if possible 2017-11-15T21:34:02 < zyp> hmm 2017-11-15T21:34:21 < TheSeven> and I'm targeting to drive 4 channels of up to 9600 bits frame size each (5 meters of RGBW strip) 2017-11-15T21:34:36 < zyp> TI's N2HET would proably do a good job at this 2017-11-15T21:36:04 < TheSeven> hmm I'm currently looking at the IRQ priorities, and I could probably get away with a 100µs IRQ latency requirement at that priority level 2017-11-15T21:36:25 < TheSeven> I also don't want to block for too long, as I have other timer IRQs (millisecond ticks etc.) at lower priorities 2017-11-15T21:37:16 < TheSeven> let's assume I can generate data twice as fast as the DMA consumes it, so I'd need ~500µs of buffer 2017-11-15T21:37:43 < zyp> that sounds really slow 2017-11-15T21:38:46 < TheSeven> that would be 400 timer ticks, i.e. 800 bytes of buffer per channel, i.e. 3.2KB total - I can probably live with that, but this kind of thing just annoys me 2017-11-15T21:41:57 < englishman> what's the TI document that explains package markings 2017-11-15T21:42:37 < TheSeven> hmm, actually IRQ priority might be shorter, that 100µs is generous 2017-11-15T21:42:45 < zyp> the reset time gap is specified to >50us, that's 6000 cycles 2017-11-15T21:42:54 < zyp> on 120MHz 2017-11-15T21:42:59 < TheSeven> I'm certain that there will be >10µs latency, but it might well be that it's never more than around 20-30 2017-11-15T21:43:11 < zyp> why? 2017-11-15T21:43:27 < TheSeven> I have an annoying high-priority IRQ that needs to talk SPI 2017-11-15T21:43:45 < zyp> which needs to be higher than this? 2017-11-15T21:43:48 < TheSeven> yes 2017-11-15T21:43:57 < TheSeven> latency requirements in the order of <10µs for that SPI access 2017-11-15T21:44:44 < TheSeven> stupid radio chip 2017-11-15T21:45:06 < zyp> which can't be DMAed? 2017-11-15T21:45:26 < TheSeven> no, it's a bit more complex than that 2017-11-15T21:45:46 < zyp> fair enough 2017-11-15T21:48:32 < TheSeven> so I think I'll try to go for 2x 192 bit buffers per channel (~1.5K total RAM use) and see if that works reliably 2017-11-15T21:49:14 < TheSeven> this board will quite likely get a respin sooner or later anyway, where I'll probably re-route this to more conveniently DMAable GPIOs 2017-11-15T21:49:28 < zyp> oh, by the way 2017-11-15T21:49:37 < TheSeven> that said, do GPIOs show the same duplicating effect if you write bytes to the registers? 2017-11-15T21:49:44 < TheSeven> that might actually come in handy if they do 2017-11-15T21:50:07 < zyp> I was going to suggest using DMA to extend the buffer 2017-11-15T21:50:11 < TheSeven> the only other output pins on port C are some status LEDs 2017-11-15T21:50:39 < TheSeven> as in convert bytes to halfwords? 2017-11-15T21:50:52 < zyp> use one dma job doing 8-bit transfers from the main buffer to a single word intermediate buffer, then another dma job from the intermediate buffer to the register 2017-11-15T21:51:15 < TheSeven> hmm, interesting idea, if I manage to get the triggering of that right 2017-11-15T21:51:17 < zyp> keep upper half of intermediate buffer at 0 and it'd stay like that since memory supports 8-bit transfers 2017-11-15T21:51:49 < zyp> I think I discarded it because four channels then means 8 dma jobs 2017-11-15T21:52:13 < TheSeven> nah, not at all 2017-11-15T21:52:21 < TheSeven> you can do 4 channels with one DMA stream 2017-11-15T21:52:36 < zyp> for the last half, maybe 2017-11-15T21:52:37 < TheSeven> the problem is getting the timing between the reading and writing channel right 2017-11-15T21:53:14 < zyp> shouldn't be a problem 2017-11-15T21:53:16 < TheSeven> I was wondering if bit banding can be used in some way here, but I guess that's not accessible by DMA and could at best be used for data preprocessing somewhere 2017-11-15T21:53:34 < zyp> just trigger one from the timer update event and the other from the channel compare event 2017-11-15T21:53:48 < TheSeven> that won't work with interleaved channels 2017-11-15T21:53:50 < zyp> hehe 2017-11-15T21:54:03 < zyp> why not? 2017-11-15T21:54:51 < TheSeven> hmm... or wait... I can tell the DMA to increment by 4 despite just writing one byte, but I guess I can't make it go back to the beginning of the buffer after completing 4 bytes 2017-11-15T21:55:05 < zyp> oh, and if you're going that route, make sure your timer can trigger the dma peripheral that can access memory with both the M and the P ports 2017-11-15T21:59:03 < TheSeven> hm, what's faster... reading data using bit banding or a byte at a time (and then shifting the bits out) 2017-11-15T21:59:09 < TheSeven> (for preprocessing code) 2017-11-15T22:08:15 < englishman> hmm 2017-11-15T22:08:29 < englishman> i may have blown up all these ATSAM3X boards because a level shifter was installed backwards 2017-11-15T22:08:36 < englishman> due to ambiguous pin 1 marking 2017-11-15T22:09:32 < Steffanx> dont do that. 2017-11-15T22:10:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T22:12:31 < Steffanx> Better hire me indeed, englishman. :P 2017-11-15T22:12:47 < englishman> still unsure 2017-11-15T22:12:54 < englishman> going to place with NXP clone of this TI part 2017-11-15T22:13:02 < englishman> because it has a dot instead of 7 weird lines 2017-11-15T22:13:09 < englishman> like a normal fucking IC pin 1 marking 2017-11-15T22:13:29 < englishman> but i cant find anything wrong with this dumb part 2017-11-15T22:13:35 < englishman> yet removing it from board prevents blowup 2017-11-15T22:14:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@193.151.40.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-15T22:20:11 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T22:24:50 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, part of the problem seems to be a little bend in the glass plate that came with this crap.. 2017-11-15T22:25:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T22:25:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-15T22:29:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-103-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-15T22:31:58 < Rob235> hi 2017-11-15T22:33:50 < Steffanx> lo 2017-11-15T22:57:54 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: how are you calibrating the height btw? 2017-11-15T22:58:31 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: (speed) no, I haven't tried 100 mm/s yet, those models were all 60. But now that I installed additional braces I'm going to try going faster. 2017-11-15T23:00:26 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: my ikea mirror is perfectly straight :P 2017-11-15T23:05:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-15T23:13:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@m77-218-230-85.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-15T23:18:10 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-15T23:20:48 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T23:44:19 < ohsix> lul 2017-11-15T23:44:25 < ohsix> piece of buns modem 2017-11-15T23:44:41 < ohsix> why is there configuration that can keep the thing from working entirely, aside from bearer and network preference shit 2017-11-15T23:45:15 < ohsix> every one of these arduino projects needs to have 'reset all parameters' thing at the beginngin cuz they zombify the module to other things 2017-11-15T23:47:47 < ohsix> also nobody knows what they're doing, but there are a million posts offering solutions ;D that's some pretty good evidence that on balance arduino made the world worse 2017-11-15T23:50:02 < upgrdman> FUCK. turns out my intermittent electrical problem isnt going to be cheap to fix. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/behind_meter.jpg 2017-11-15T23:50:22 < upgrdman> send out RFQs but Edison told me not to be surprised if >$1000 2017-11-15T23:50:45 < englishman> wut 2017-11-15T23:51:07 < upgrdman> supposedly that connector is not available separately and the whole fucking panels would need to be swapped 2017-11-15T23:51:11 < englishman> isnt that just the meter box 2017-11-15T23:51:14 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-15T23:51:15 < englishman> is it even your property 2017-11-15T23:51:27 < upgrdman> yes, condo, and im responsible for my elec 2017-11-15T23:51:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-15T23:51:52 < englishman> just sand ithe contact a bit 2017-11-15T23:52:10 < upgrdman> the plastic it's sitting in is deformed :( 2017-11-15T23:52:17 < upgrdman> was arcing a lot supposedly 2017-11-15T23:52:21 < upgrdman> and i believe it 2017-11-15T23:52:36 < englishman> nice 2017-11-15T23:52:41 < upgrdman> that photo doesnt have good lightly. the plastic base is crispy and fucked. 2017-11-15T23:52:47 < upgrdman> lighting* 2017-11-15T23:53:44 < TheSeven> wtf am I missing 2017-11-15T23:53:46 < qyx> such a weird electrical box 2017-11-15T23:54:12 < upgrdman> qyx, its where power goes into the building. theres a "normal" looking breaker box in my home 2017-11-15T23:54:30 < TheSeven> I seem to be getting high impedance output on timer capture/compare outputs - not quite sure why 2017-11-15T23:54:46 < TheSeven> stm32f205, tim8 ch1-4 on pc6-9 2017-11-15T23:55:04 < TheSeven> GPIO config is AF, source 3 2017-11-15T23:55:06 < upgrdman> TheSeven, enables clocks for gpio AND timer? 2017-11-15T23:55:20 < TheSeven> timer seems to be accepting register writes at least 2017-11-15T23:55:31 < TheSeven> BDTR.MOE is set 2017-11-15T23:55:45 < TheSeven> CCER.CCxE are set 2017-11-15T23:55:52 < TheSeven> OCxM = 6 2017-11-15T23:55:55 < TheSeven> what am I missing? 2017-11-15T23:55:58 < upgrdman> gpio clocks 2017-11-15T23:56:10 < TheSeven> I'm fairly confident that GPIO is set up correctly 2017-11-15T23:56:43 < TheSeven> GPIO clocks only need to be on while configuring the pin 2017-11-15T23:57:38 < qyx> upgrdman: yep, but the american boxes are quite different 2017-11-15T23:58:13 < qyx> there are things like http://www.dobraradanadzlato.sk/stavbard/obr/zaklady/DSCN1554.JPG 2017-11-15T23:58:25 < qyx> this one is actually without the meter 2017-11-15T23:58:39 < qyx> just prepared for installation 2017-11-15T23:58:57 < upgrdman> this is kinda what mine look like, but we're stacked in a grid, not just left-to-rigth http://delafleur.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/meter-bank.jpg 2017-11-15T23:59:18 < upgrdman> qyx, that doesnt look like a meter? --- Day changed Thu Nov 16 2017 2017-11-16T00:00:34 < upgrdman> the breaker panel, inside the home, looks kinda like this https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/27/fa/c327fa1e2af63298f0cee2f93a8ae755.jpg 2017-11-16T00:00:46 < upgrdman> that has the protective cover removed of course 2017-11-16T00:15:39 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T00:18:09 < stvn> well 2017-11-16T00:18:27 -!- fbu [~fbu@pl45321.ag1212.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-16T00:18:28 < upgrdman> how's it pumping 2017-11-16T00:19:56 < stvn> quite well 2017-11-16T00:20:06 < stvn> where is stffn 2017-11-16T00:23:40 < englishman> died of underinnovation 2017-11-16T00:29:22 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-16T00:31:42 < Steffanx> Ya 2017-11-16T00:33:14 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@sienimetsa.wtf] by ChanServ 2017-11-16T00:33:29 < stvn> sup englishman 2017-11-16T00:33:40 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@c-67-174-145-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by ChanServ 2017-11-16T00:33:48 < kakimir> test123 2017-11-16T00:33:53 < stvn> 666 2017-11-16T00:34:32 < dfgg> 2137 2017-11-16T00:34:49 < Steffanx> Hows innovating stvn? 2017-11-16T00:34:49 < kakimir> recommend portable lab supply? 2017-11-16T00:34:59 < branjb> i'm free 2017-11-16T00:35:47 < stvn> kakimir: a 1000va transformer and a variac 2017-11-16T00:35:48 < stvn> lol 2017-11-16T00:35:57 < stvn> Steffanx: all is well 2017-11-16T00:36:00 < Steffanx> Ya, no 4/8chan policy doesnt just apply to Blaxter 2017-11-16T00:36:00 < stvn> digikey mate 2017-11-16T00:36:07 < kakimir> portable - mobile 2017-11-16T00:36:09 < stvn> cool 2017-11-16T00:36:18 < stvn> the blaxter policy 2017-11-16T00:36:33 < kakimir> but was definitelly formed because of Blaxter 2017-11-16T00:36:40 < Steffanx> Hell yeah 2017-11-16T00:36:53 < stvn> vote for tey lang 2017-11-16T00:37:05 < stvn> stm32 mascot 2017-11-16T00:38:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-16T00:48:42 < branjb> if you had a signal that looked like pic related, what would be the best approach for detecting these short amplitude spikes in red? https://imgur.com/a/GvHoX 2017-11-16T00:51:43 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T00:52:30 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-16T00:57:53 < englishman> fft? 2017-11-16T00:58:47 < branjb> that's just a small sample, the interval between those spikes changes 2017-11-16T00:59:59 < branjb> did some pleb tier filtering and got https://imgur.com/a/gFYbj , maybe will try a rolling window w/ thresholds or something 2017-11-16T01:00:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-16T01:04:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T01:04:59 < upgrdman> maybe just calc the derivative and if >foo, triggered 2017-11-16T01:05:57 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/xmaSe 2017-11-16T01:07:00 < branjb> that might work, i'll have to find some kind of criteria for adaptive >foo thresholding 2017-11-16T01:07:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T01:08:16 < Laurenceb_> my fellow trolls 2017-11-16T01:08:43 < branjb> trolls aren't welcomed here anymore 2017-11-16T01:08:47 < branjb> or you get -q 2017-11-16T01:08:51 < Laurenceb_> come on, we all know who hacked wikipedia 2017-11-16T01:09:02 < Laurenceb_> it was _someone_ from this channel 2017-11-16T01:09:41 < upgrdman> wikipedo got h4x0red? 2017-11-16T01:09:50 < upgrdman> what happened? 2017-11-16T01:10:04 < Laurenceb_> GNAA haxored wikipedo 2017-11-16T01:10:24 < stvn> lelo 2017-11-16T01:10:37 < Laurenceb_> stuck up GNAA memes what are so old literally nobody knows what they mean anymore 2017-11-16T01:11:29 < stvn> wut is gnaa 2017-11-16T01:11:51 < Laurenceb_> seriously... 2017-11-16T01:11:56 < Laurenceb_> do you even internet 2017-11-16T01:13:58 < stvn> no 2017-11-16T01:19:30 < englishman> more like wikipedia is slow to revert on some types of pages 2017-11-16T01:19:40 < Laurenceb_> http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AX-SIP-SFEU-D.PDF 2017-11-16T01:19:43 < Laurenceb_> interesting 2017-11-16T01:19:46 < englishman> and those types of pages are linked on many other pages 2017-11-16T01:20:18 < englishman> lol axsem 2017-11-16T01:31:15 < Laurenceb_> sigfox now works in uk 2017-11-16T01:33:37 < stvn> u wot 2017-11-16T01:39:17 < Laurenceb_> what did the fox say 2017-11-16T01:40:27 < stvn> https://youtu.be/dcUQ7QHP_p0?t=17m13s 2017-11-16T01:41:25 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE 2017-11-16T01:42:45 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2017-11-16T01:42:55 < Laurenceb_> did he put the mic in his cake? 2017-11-16T01:43:56 < stvn> yeaeh 2017-11-16T01:44:00 < upgrdman> if all i need to do is send and receive udp packets, is something like lwip necessary? 2017-11-16T01:44:10 < Laurenceb_> not sure if he is describing hurd or his precious speech 2017-11-16T01:44:11 < upgrdman> static ip and mac address is fine 2017-11-16T01:44:37 < Laurenceb_> I bet you could haxor it 2017-11-16T01:44:52 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-16T01:45:01 < branjb> who is richard stallman 2017-11-16T01:45:02 < Laurenceb_> or even do a Leo and haxor it with thumb2 hand written on sheets of A4 2017-11-16T01:45:07 < Laurenceb_> >own 2017-11-16T01:45:19 < branjb> >make all software free 2017-11-16T01:45:20 < Laurenceb_> wtf branjb 2017-11-16T01:45:30 < branjb> >no more software engineer salaries? 2017-11-16T01:45:33 < Laurenceb_> another new to internets guy 2017-11-16T01:46:16 < Laurenceb_> lul @ him asking for camera 2 b turned off 2017-11-16T01:46:42 < branjb> make all software state owned 2017-11-16T01:46:53 < Laurenceb_> wew he gets 100% rage mode later 2017-11-16T01:47:26 < Laurenceb_> once the camera is supposedly off its full rage mode 2017-11-16T01:47:58 < Laurenceb_> >Comments are disabled for this video. 2017-11-16T01:49:15 < Laurenceb_> > I feel that everything I'm doing is failure, total horrible useless failure 2017-11-16T01:49:19 < Laurenceb_> wew tbh 2017-11-16T01:51:11 < Laurenceb_> >I will now start raging in Spanish too 2017-11-16T01:56:58 < Laurenceb_> yay there is a version where the trolls didnt get b& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE 2017-11-16T02:04:49 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-16T02:05:40 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T02:07:39 < upgrdman> is jogamp.org down for you guys too 2017-11-16T02:07:53 < upgrdman> (it's an opengl/etc. lib) 2017-11-16T02:11:49 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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It's pretty easy and the parts aren't too expensive. 2017-11-16T07:45:17 < ohsix> upgrdman's thing isn't going to be a thousand buxxx 2017-11-16T07:45:41 < ohsix> even if you pay someone, and if you don't; chief cost is getting the power co to unhook that side of things and hook it back up 2017-11-16T07:46:47 < ohsix> also normal ass, boring meter box 2017-11-16T07:48:01 < englishman> hi emeb 2017-11-16T07:48:06 < englishman> what's innovating 2017-11-16T07:48:12 < ohsix> distributors don't stock old parts cuz they dont' interchange very well 2017-11-16T07:50:06 < emeb_mac> englishman: not a lot. head-down working on $DAYJOB for the last few months. not IRCing much. 2017-11-16T07:51:04 < emeb_mac> did a little breakout board for an L432 in QFN32 a few weeks back but that's about all the HW I've messed with lately. 2017-11-16T07:51:19 < englishman> what was that for? 2017-11-16T07:51:38 < englishman> this chan is lacking innovations lately 2017-11-16T07:52:02 < emeb_mac> spec project for an underwater data collection system. has to run for 1yr on batteries so needs super low power. 2017-11-16T07:52:25 < Thorn> IIRC the I2S codec IC on the 746 disco is even more expensive than the F7 itself in digikey 2017-11-16T07:52:46 < emeb_mac> haha 2017-11-16T07:53:14 < emeb_mac> I don't know how they sell those large discos so cheap - must be buying in w/ marketing bux 2017-11-16T07:53:51 < Thorn> (and it's not made by ST) 2017-11-16T07:55:51 < Thorn> and the pcb is 6 layers iirc 2017-11-16T07:56:24 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T07:59:33 < emeb_mac> so pro 2017-11-16T08:00:07 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-16T08:00:07 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-16T08:23:51 < Thorn> >device name characteristic 2017-11-16T08:23:53 < Thorn> >writable 2017-11-16T08:23:53 < Thorn> WAT 2017-11-16T08:33:03 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-16T08:41:16 < ohsix> wut 2017-11-16T08:43:08 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2017-11-16T08:43:46 < ohsix> how do people put upw ith the raspberry pi 2017-11-16T08:44:26 < ohsix> and to the degree that they're excited 2017-11-16T08:44:47 < ohsix> the p133 i irc'd from for ~20 years is faster in most aspects 2017-11-16T08:48:49 < jpa-> in what aspects? 2017-11-16T08:48:57 < jpa-> you just ran less bloated software on it 2017-11-16T08:54:07 < ohsix> well, people are happy with the ui and stuff and light tasks with the gui 2017-11-16T08:54:16 < ohsix> i was just using terminal access 2017-11-16T08:57:36 < ohsix> hmm shit 2017-11-16T08:57:59 < ohsix> ultimate application for this thing, someone mentioned putting it on the pi zero and that's not going to work 2017-11-16T08:58:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T09:03:07 < ohsix> something about the wifi & usb was probably making it worse too 2017-11-16T09:04:23 < ohsix> i've seen rooms full of people doing fine with the pi but when i do it i can't stand it :{ 2017-11-16T09:09:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f8ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T09:11:54 < ohsix> trashing the whole thing when you make a mistake is easy, tho; maybe that is enough 2017-11-16T09:12:22 < ohsix> feels less bad to just fuck with things and hack shit together 2017-11-16T09:20:37 < ohsix> the blessed edimax adapter they all seem to think is ok is really bad too :p 2017-11-16T09:22:27 -!- Teeed [~teeed@vps.na1noc.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-16T09:22:46 -!- Teeed [~teeed@vps.na1noc.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T09:41:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-16T09:51:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f8ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-16T09:54:21 < ohsix> https://github.com/google/puffs 2017-11-16T10:15:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T10:20:21 -!- Shavik [~Shavik@18.194.35.8.bc.googleusercontent.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-16T10:21:35 -!- Shavik [~Shavik@18.194.35.8.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T10:34:42 -!- ingrix [~ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-16T10:42:42 < Thorn> why is there a GATT service called "GAP Service" in ble? 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I didn't get an oven yet (I was thinking that I'd heat them up a bit in a reflow oven) 2017-11-16T11:21:38 < ohsix> have hot air already? 2017-11-16T11:21:46 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-88-153-141-163.hsi04.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-16T11:21:51 < jadew> yeah, but I'm trying to be lazy 2017-11-16T11:22:13 < ohsix> the little ir board heaters that are for rework can do reflow too 2017-11-16T11:23:15 < jadew> I might check them out, I'm looking to buy a T-962A and make all those modifications to it 2017-11-16T11:24:28 < jadew> I'm not 100% sure it's a good investment 2017-11-16T11:36:03 < Steffanx> First turn on smell is supposed to be amazing 2017-11-16T11:37:35 < Steffanx> Damnit ST. What are you doing with your product naming? STM32L4 PLUS.. 2017-11-16T11:38:44 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-16T11:44:23 < invzim> I think they shold use Turbo instead of Plus 2017-11-16T11:45:10 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T11:56:27 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.16.225] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T11:59:35 < lomas> where can I get the demo code for STM32F4Discovery (it is newly named as STM32F407G-DISC1).. I am bit lost at ST's website. 2017-11-16T12:00:02 < karlp> try harder? 2017-11-16T12:00:15 < karlp> are on the page for the board on their website at least? 2017-11-16T12:11:51 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-16T12:13:14 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T12:20:17 < ohsix> oh, and the pi plain locks up a lot if you do developer-y things 2017-11-16T12:20:55 < ohsix> lomas: it is on the page for the discovery board 2017-11-16T12:21:46 < lomas> is this the link st.com/stm32f4-discovery ? 2017-11-16T12:21:50 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32f4discovery.html#sw-tools-scroll 2017-11-16T12:22:05 < ohsix> it's also printed on the board, yea 2017-11-16T12:23:59 < lomas> I could not locate the demo project in the same project. could you please give me little guidance please ? 2017-11-16T12:24:14 < lomas> *same page 2017-11-16T12:29:10 < lomas> hi ohsix, could you please ? I am not able to find the demo project. 2017-11-16T12:54:59 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T13:02:14 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb_ 2017-11-16T13:02:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-16T13:07:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPa9Qge1upI hello music 2017-11-16T13:17:59 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-16T13:18:16 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T13:39:18 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-16T13:41:53 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T13:58:40 < Thorn> lomas: IIRC demo projects are part of cube libraries now 2017-11-16T13:58:42 < jadew> Steffanx, on the cleaner? 2017-11-16T13:59:14 < jadew> or the oven? 2017-11-16T14:03:53 -!- lomas_ [~lomas@27.34.16.225] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T14:04:39 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.16.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-16T14:08:41 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-16T14:08:42 < qyx> jadew: we used IPA in the work 2017-11-16T14:09:26 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T14:11:21 < qyx> maybe you could try ipa/water solution, it should not be that flammable 2017-11-16T14:21:52 < Steffanx> Oven jadew 2017-11-16T14:22:22 < Steffanx> I read it uses this yellow masking tape 2017-11-16T14:22:28 < Steffanx> Which buurns 2017-11-16T14:22:54 < zyp> the chinese firetrap? 2017-11-16T14:23:00 < zyp> of reflow ovens 2017-11-16T14:23:37 < zyp> IIRC the problem with the tape is mostly that it's smelly :p 2017-11-16T14:24:12 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I tried printing first layer with 120mm/s now, and it indeed didn't stick too well until I upped the extruder temperature. 2017-11-16T14:37:53 < Steffanx> Nah i blame the little bend in the glass plate too, PaulFertser 2017-11-16T14:38:00 < Steffanx> Ordered some ikea mirrors 2017-11-16T14:38:25 < Steffanx> More people have issues with the glass that came with the printer, PaulFertser 2017-11-16T14:42:42 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T14:43:29 < Lux> printing at that speed just asks for problems 2017-11-16T14:43:47 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: oh, heh. My first cut wasn't too good, so I suggest you practice first if you're going that route. For me the most straight cut was by drawing a line with a liner and then cutting visually, without any guides or rails. 2017-11-16T14:44:06 < PaulFertser> (drawing with a guide, cutting without) 2017-11-16T14:44:19 < zyp> is glass even worth dicking around with? 2017-11-16T14:44:23 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: how little is that bend? Have you measured it? 2017-11-16T14:45:06 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, many top devices come with it. And in my experience with heated bed it's really working nice, and relatively maintenance and wear-free. 2017-11-16T14:45:29 < Lux> imo the best thing is pei coated aluminium 2017-11-16T14:45:40 < Lux> expensive, but works like a charm 2017-11-16T14:45:43 < zyp> that's the impression I've got as well 2017-11-16T14:47:21 < PaulFertser> Preliminary results with 120mm/s look pretty nice. 2017-11-16T14:48:04 < Lux> PaulFertser: are you running that pressure advance stuff ? 2017-11-16T14:48:09 < PaulFertser> Lux: no 2017-11-16T14:48:26 < Lux> imo at those speeds you allready get small issues with corners being rounder etc 2017-11-16T14:49:01 < zyp> https://clever3d.de/epages/7a4290fc-7c7f-46cc-9b99-eadef22228e2.sf/en_US/?ObjectPath=/Shops/7a4290fc-7c7f-46cc-9b99-eadef22228e2/Products/c3d-DDP-PEI-natur <- I figure I'll get one of these when I get around to building a decent printer 2017-11-16T14:49:02 < PaulFertser> But I'm not using bowden here 2017-11-16T14:49:06 < Lux> it's not a major issue, but noticeable even with direct drive 2017-11-16T14:49:18 < PaulFertser> Lux: yeah, we'll see. It's a test draft print anyway. 2017-11-16T14:49:44 < Lux> zyp: that's what i got 2017-11-16T14:49:52 < zyp> :) 2017-11-16T14:49:56 < zyp> is it as good as it seems? 2017-11-16T14:50:22 < Lux> so far it works really well for pla and abs 2017-11-16T14:50:33 < zyp> tried PETG? 2017-11-16T14:50:48 < Lux> petg sticks a bit too well, but i guess you can fix that by playing with the temperatures 2017-11-16T14:51:07 < Lux> or using windex apparently works too 2017-11-16T14:51:12 < PaulFertser> Surface temperature for ABS : least 135Grad <- whoah 2017-11-16T14:51:35 < Lux> yeah, you need a 200W heat mat for that 2017-11-16T14:52:04 < PaulFertser> My anet a8 is actually able to go to 135C after 30 minutes of heating :) 2017-11-16T14:52:17 < Lux> but then it sticks really well and below 60°C or so the part just pops off 2017-11-16T14:52:32 < PaulFertser> Same with my glass at 110C 2017-11-16T14:52:44 < zyp> is PETG sticking much of a concern? I figure you can use enough of force to get it off without risking damage to the surface 2017-11-16T14:52:52 < Lux> but then you need hairspray or whatever for it to stick 2017-11-16T14:53:05 < sync> PaulFertser: I run my a8 at 24V 2017-11-16T14:53:12 < sync> so it actually is able to get there quickly 2017-11-16T14:53:33 < Lux> zyp: yeah, so far i haven't managed to damage the surface 2017-11-16T14:53:43 < PaulFertser> sync: just 24V psu, no other mods? I'm using factory psu at 14.4V or so. 2017-11-16T14:54:39 < zyp> I've found that printing PETG on cold buildtak is pretty finicky 2017-11-16T14:55:08 < sync> yeah PaulFertser 2017-11-16T14:55:09 < zyp> I've got corners curling regularly, but I've also managed to rip hole in the buildtak where something stuck too well 2017-11-16T14:55:19 < Lux> zyp: I killed a buildtak sheet with petg, stuck too well 2017-11-16T14:55:27 < PaulFertser> sync: how about the fans? 2017-11-16T14:55:41 < sync> did nothing to them 2017-11-16T14:55:48 < zyp> I just don't print on that spot anymore :p 2017-11-16T14:55:56 < zyp> but yeah 2017-11-16T14:55:59 < PaulFertser> I mean the extruder motor fan, it seems to be connected directly to the power rail. 2017-11-16T14:56:19 < sync> yeah, it just runs all the time 2017-11-16T14:57:09 < Lux> PaulFertser: are you printing abs directly on the glass bed at 110°C ? or are you using some glue/hairspray ? 2017-11-16T14:58:57 < PaulFertser> Lux: the cheapest "strong hairspray" from auchan. 2017-11-16T14:59:39 < Lux> the point is with pei you just need to clean the surface once in a while :) 2017-11-16T15:00:04 < Lux> years ago I used beer on glass which seemed to work well too at 110°C 2017-11-16T15:08:58 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: so how do you calibrate bed distance? Metal feeler gauge seems to work ok here. 2017-11-16T15:09:53 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-16T15:15:17 -!- lomas_ [~lomas@27.34.16.225] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-16T15:16:54 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T15:22:39 * Laurenceb has a devious plan 2017-11-16T15:23:00 < Laurenceb> micro tracker unit for cars using only a baro sensor 2017-11-16T15:23:18 < Laurenceb> then match road elevation changes to road tracks 2017-11-16T15:24:15 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-16T15:24:50 < BrainDamage> don't you risk that weather variation will have a way stronger impact? 2017-11-16T15:25:08 < Laurenceb> sure but you can high pass filter out the vehicle path 2017-11-16T15:25:20 < Laurenceb> this would be fun to try simulating 2017-11-16T15:26:25 < Steffanx> Yes, like that, but i did that just in thr corners, so didnt really notice the glass issue, PaulFertser 2017-11-16T15:26:44 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, I'm aware about the tape issue, I'll replace it 2017-11-16T15:27:10 < BrainDamage> i feel like in practical pourposes, a simple gps module will get you more simplicity and reliability 2017-11-16T15:27:13 < jadew> qyx, I have some special flux remover for ultrasonic cleaners in the basket 2017-11-16T15:27:25 < BrainDamage> the only annoyance is the sky view 2017-11-16T15:27:30 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: but gps needs power and sky view 2017-11-16T15:27:55 < emeryth> and baro doesn't? 2017-11-16T15:27:57 * Laurenceb is thinking of ~10mm diameter micro device thats magnetic and goes onto bottom of vehicles 2017-11-16T15:28:04 * Laurenceb applies for jerb at NSA 2017-11-16T15:28:30 < Laurenceb> disguised as a fleck of muck 2017-11-16T15:28:47 < BrainDamage> you probably don't even need to disguise it 2017-11-16T15:28:55 < BrainDamage> nobody checks the underside of a vehicle 2017-11-16T15:29:42 < Laurenceb> unless its high security stuff 2017-11-16T15:29:56 < Laurenceb> NSA here I come 2017-11-16T15:30:16 < emeryth> Laurenceb: if it goes on the bottom, all you need is a computer mouse optical sensor 2017-11-16T15:30:20 < emeryth> tracking done 2017-11-16T15:30:35 < Laurenceb> lithium coin cell + F0 + baro sensor + few meg of spi flash -> should last for a year or so 2017-11-16T15:30:53 < Laurenceb> emeryth: sounds accurate and low power /s 2017-11-16T15:30:54 < jpa-> people in netherlands are safe 2017-11-16T15:31:04 < Laurenceb> baro doesnt work in flat countries yeah 2017-11-16T15:31:27 < karlp> or even just flat cities, like lots of US cities 2017-11-16T15:31:48 < jpa-> cities are probably too dense for accurate tracking anyway 2017-11-16T15:32:16 < jpa-> neighbouring streets are easily same elevation, and pedestrian passings etc. mess up timing 2017-11-16T15:32:36 < jpa-> i'll keep buying my spy devices from emeryth and only buy horse trackers from Laurenceb 2017-11-16T15:37:20 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T15:37:29 < Laurenceb> the tricky bit is matching altitude changes to ground track 2017-11-16T15:37:34 < Laurenceb> a fun problem to solve 2017-11-16T15:46:27 < qyx> an imu would give you a rough estimation too 2017-11-16T15:46:43 < qyx> also you could see if the car is moving 2017-11-16T15:46:52 < qyx> much vibration 2017-11-16T15:47:04 < qyx> full imu and baro would be more practical imho 2017-11-16T15:47:09 < Laurenceb> imu drift would be aweful 2017-11-16T15:47:24 < Laurenceb> I guess pattern recognition of cornering might work 2017-11-16T15:47:29 < qyx> it doesn't matter 2017-11-16T15:47:30 < Laurenceb> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.486.3959&rep=rep1&type=pdf 2017-11-16T15:47:32 < Laurenceb> nice 2017-11-16T15:47:37 < qyx> you would correlate with streets 2017-11-16T15:48:07 < qyx> also there are more possibilities 2017-11-16T15:48:13 < qyx> you could track traffic lights 2017-11-16T15:48:18 < qyx> at least most of them 2017-11-16T15:48:23 < qyx> with induction coils sensing 2017-11-16T15:49:58 < qyx> temperature changes too (car is in a garage or what) 2017-11-16T15:54:57 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-16T15:55:49 < sync> I wonder how well it would work in the us with perfectly arranged blocks 2017-11-16T15:56:20 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-16T15:57:52 < Thorn> Zuma Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPHbqY9LHCs 2017-11-16T15:57:55 < qyx> not 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2017-11-16T16:20:51 < Laurenceb> > That angry woman would be better at hosting the show than Chris Evans 2017-11-16T16:28:06 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T16:28:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T16:28:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-16T16:28:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T16:42:30 -!- ingrix [~ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T16:48:18 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T17:06:53 < dongs> https://developercommunity.visualstudio.com/content/problem/136952/mfc-ribbon-slow-on-first-loadshow.html haha windows. 2017-11-16T17:07:12 < dongs> i guess I'd never notice this cuz i have dickfender disabled by group policy everywhere 2017-11-16T17:07:22 < dongs> only fucking retards run AV in 2017 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[~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-16T17:26:37 < Laurenceb> dongs av? 2017-11-16T17:26:42 < Laurenceb> as in last measures? 2017-11-16T17:31:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T17:32:12 < Laurenceb> wew Brittany Venti got b& in twitter purge 2017-11-16T17:32:17 < Laurenceb> the memes are real 2017-11-16T17:32:49 < Laurenceb> the black nazis 2017-11-16T17:36:27 < jadew> who is that? 2017-11-16T17:38:09 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC-N6CXUMAA5XBO.jpg 2017-11-16T17:38:51 < jadew> what's that? 2017-11-16T17:38:55 < Laurenceb> an american nazi grrrl 2017-11-16T17:38:57 < Laurenceb> her dna 2017-11-16T17:40:04 < jadew> why does her DNA matter for anything? 2017-11-16T17:40:18 < Laurenceb> for trolling purposes 2017-11-16T17:40:19 < jadew> a quick google indicates that she's doable 2017-11-16T17:41:57 < jadew> seems like an attention whore 2017-11-16T17:42:35 < jadew> getting back to my issues 2017-11-16T17:44:18 < Laurenceb> >seems like 2017-11-16T17:44:40 < ingrix> omg I made a mistake 2017-11-16T17:44:56 < ingrix> watched the first two minutes of one of her youtube videos 2017-11-16T17:45:07 < ingrix> will not be able to get voice out of head 2017-11-16T17:46:15 < Laurenceb> top kek 2017-11-16T17:47:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T18:03:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-16T18:03:37 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman 2017-11-16T18:03:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-16T18:04:03 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-16T18:04:06 -!- Laurenceb was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [Laurenceb] 2017-11-16T18:04:11 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-16T18:05:17 < Lux> another doomsday scenario: https://youtu.be/9CO6M2HsoIA 2017-11-16T18:06:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping 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https://youtu.be/ywewix7DlpI?t=364 2017-11-16T19:16:19 < karlp> these are cheaper (by a few cents) and are arduino comaptible! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/BME280-Digital-Sensor-Temperature-Humidity-Barometric-Pressure-Sensor-New/32659765502.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.4.4f841746dgdiUr&traffic_analysisId=recommend_3035_null_null_null&scm=1007.13338.80878.000000000000000&pvid=911fa1f4-14dc-4482-8902-e5d452424786&tpp=1 2017-11-16T19:18:10 < Thorn> ugh pcb with an ldo(?) is cheaper than a bare device, this kind of shit totally helps you trust them more 2017-11-16T19:19:09 < jadew> maybe they're just for show 2017-11-16T19:19:31 < Thorn> and 2 mosfets for i2c translation. extremely helpful 2017-11-16T19:24:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T19:24:44 < englishman> dono got them from broker 2017-11-16T19:24:51 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-16T19:24:52 < englishman> no complaints tho 2017-11-16T19:25:17 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T19:26:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T19:27:11 < ReadErr> englishman: how many 2017-11-16T19:27:13 < ReadErr> 5? 2017-11-16T19:27:43 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-16T19:30:23 < englishman> well the description says 6 2017-11-16T19:30:29 < englishman> but i dono what it's for exactly 2017-11-16T19:30:34 < englishman> selective solder can be much cheaper 2017-11-16T19:30:42 < englishman> i'll wait for the media shit to arrive 2017-11-16T19:31:03 < englishman> sales packet 2017-11-16T19:31:11 < englishman> brochure, thats the word 2017-11-16T19:35:23 < Thorn> >Data is transferred through high quality RF over fiber solution. 2017-11-16T19:35:24 < Thorn> wat 2017-11-16T19:36:42 < zyp> CATV? 2017-11-16T19:37:10 < zyp> there's stuff that just throws analog CATV signals on fiber for transmission over modern systems 2017-11-16T19:38:12 < englishman> interesting 2017-11-16T19:40:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T19:40:53 < Thorn> it's a tethered surveillance UAV system, I expected it to be digital 2017-11-16T19:44:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T19:48:31 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T19:51:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-16T19:52:56 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-16T19:54:34 < englishman> ReadErr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tba6-m1yCys 2017-11-16T19:56:01 < englishman> i count 5 axes 2017-11-16T19:57:25 < englishman> what a weird system 2017-11-16T20:07:28 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-16T20:12:45 < ReadErr> software seems okay for chinkware 2017-11-16T20:13:30 < ReadErr> lol the little cleaning holes 2017-11-16T20:17:20 < ingrix> I want one 2017-11-16T20:19:39 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:2cd4:8294:434a:5bfb] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T20:24:41 < englishman> found a local dealer for thermaldonix! 2017-11-16T20:24:51 < englishman> with shit in stock 2017-11-16T20:24:52 < englishman> amaze 2017-11-16T20:28:28 < upgrdman> is there any reason why periphs dont have their own dedicated dma channels? i mean, dma cant require that much silicon? why fuck with a limited number of dma channels. 2017-11-16T20:29:15 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T20:30:58 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:2cd4:8294:434a:5bfb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-16T20:36:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6fe0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T20:49:51 -!- hdt551 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Google is working on a solution that will be available as soon as possible. 2017-11-16T20:57:53 < englishman> lol 2017-11-16T20:58:55 < englishman> upgrdman dma does require a lot of silicon 2017-11-16T20:59:23 < upgrdman> really? 2017-11-16T21:01:21 < jpa-> the memory bus interface does 2017-11-16T21:01:52 < jpa-> i doubt the individual channels in the dma controller require much more than just the registers etc. that are needed for their configuration 2017-11-16T21:02:41 < jpa-> but even that could be significant enough 2017-11-16T21:03:05 < englishman> not just routing but timing 2017-11-16T21:03:15 < englishman> now you have to sync clocks across periph domains 2017-11-16T21:03:48 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-6fe0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T21:03:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6fe0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-16T21:04:18 < jpa-> won't you have to do it anyway, no matter whether there are separate channels or same channel? 2017-11-16T21:09:21 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T21:15:14 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2017-11-16T21:15:36 < englishman> beep ReadErr 2017-11-16T21:15:56 < englishman> g502 $54 2017-11-16T21:16:15 < englishman> y/n 2017-11-16T21:17:03 < ReadErr> hmm ive gotten them for less 2017-11-16T21:17:07 < ReadErr> but 54 aint bad 2017-11-16T21:17:23 < ReadErr> think 39 was cheapest 2017-11-16T21:22:31 < Thorn> wtaf 2017-11-16T21:22:47 < Thorn> my nrf51 crashes when I put my hand next to it 2017-11-16T21:23:50 < Thorn> but only when the pcb is sitting on an antistatic bag 2017-11-16T21:25:08 < Thorn> can anyone recommend an exorcist 2017-11-16T21:25:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-16T21:26:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T21:27:41 < jpa-> some floating io pin? 2017-11-16T21:28:22 < Thorn> afaik nrf pins are "input disconnected" by default 2017-11-16T21:30:30 < englishman> uh 2017-11-16T21:30:37 < englishman> you know antistatic bags are conductive right 2017-11-16T21:32:11 < Thorn> how conductive 2017-11-16T21:32:38 < Thorn> last time I tried to measure one my DMM couldn't see any conductivity 2017-11-16T21:33:14 < jpa-> depends on bag, but rarely enough to matter 2017-11-16T21:33:15 < englishman> how much potential does your DMM output? 2017-11-16T21:33:25 < englishman> conductive enough to conduct away any static electricity 2017-11-16T21:33:55 < englishman> i once fried a computer motherboard on its own static bag, true story 2017-11-16T21:34:46 < Thorn> by turning it on? 2017-11-16T21:35:05 < englishman> it was on yeah 2017-11-16T21:35:39 < upgrdman> heh. i ran an old amd athlon mobo on its antistatic bag for >1yr when i was a kid 2017-11-16T21:35:46 < upgrdman> must have gotten lucky 2017-11-16T21:36:00 < englishman> yeah im pretty sure i've done the same 2017-11-16T21:36:22 < upgrdman> but TBH, i dunno how englishman fucked his mobo that way. what kinda of mobo cant handle >10Meg between any of its pins 2017-11-16T21:36:45 < upgrdman> maybe you had a grain of salt of someshit on the bag 2017-11-16T21:36:50 < englishman> maybe 2017-11-16T21:38:04 < Thorn> ok steps to reproduce 2017-11-16T21:39:50 < Thorn> place a metal box onto the table. put a paper tissue on top of it for insulation. put the pcb onto the tissue 2017-11-16T21:39:52 < Thorn> touch the metal box -> repeated crashes 2017-11-16T21:40:24 < upgrdman> i'd start the usual way: probe your VDD and GND and look for fuckery 2017-11-16T21:40:35 < upgrdman> then move on to your signal lines, etc. 2017-11-16T21:41:53 < upgrdman> oh, and make sure you have stuff like SPI mode config'd right. i remember one time i was using an spi gyro on mode 1 and it would work until i touched the pcb and ever so slightly shifted timings off. turns out i need mode 0 or something (mode 3? forget which.) 2017-11-16T21:43:12 < upgrdman> and htf is it "crashing" ... wrong data received over SPI? 2017-11-16T21:43:14 < Thorn> there is no spi, only j-link and an uart for debugging (disconnecting both does not help) 2017-11-16T21:43:22 < Thorn> reboot 2017-11-16T21:43:37 < englishman> do you have a capacitor on your reset line 2017-11-16T21:43:37 < upgrdman> hmm 2017-11-16T21:43:50 < Thorn> the nrf code is full of APP_ERROR_CHECK() or whatever after every softdevice call which simply reboots 2017-11-16T21:43:50 < upgrdman> ya and even if you do, prove the reset line for fuckery 2017-11-16T21:43:51 < englishman> does it happen if you disconnect jtag 2017-11-16T21:43:55 < Thorn> maybe one of those triggers 2017-11-16T21:44:38 < Thorn> englishman: (1) not sure, it's a module lol, I didn't put one and (2) yes 2017-11-16T21:44:54 < Thorn> btw reset is SWDIO (or SWCLK?) on nrf 2017-11-16T21:45:05 < upgrdman> wat 2017-11-16T21:45:07 < Thorn> which is weird by itself 2017-11-16T21:45:29 < upgrdman> that cant be possible? maybe they mean its software-reset-only? 2017-11-16T21:46:52 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/4XV2xSB.jpg 2017-11-16T21:47:24 < Thorn> ^ picture of the setup, all wires disconnected 2017-11-16T21:47:26 < upgrdman> nice solder jizz dust on J15 2017-11-16T21:48:32 < upgrdman> oh, try swapping your jumper wires 2017-11-16T21:48:39 < upgrdman> i've had plenty of fucked one 2017-11-16T21:49:01 < upgrdman> where line only one or two strands were good, and flexing them would cause open circuit 2017-11-16T21:49:14 < upgrdman> because china 2017-11-16T21:50:59 < qyx> yes, those china dupont wires (or how do they call them) are really bad 2017-11-16T21:52:18 < Rickta59> heh i have one of those modules 2017-11-16T21:52:36 < Rickta59> seemed to work fine, however i was using it with their "motherboard" 2017-11-16T21:53:40 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:bd85:bd08:d9cc:3d7a] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T21:54:21 < Thorn> I disabled advertising so it's not transmitting anything and it's still resetting 2017-11-16T21:54:43 < Thorn> so probably not RF related 2017-11-16T21:54:50 < Rickta59> are you sure it isn't your code causing issues? 2017-11-16T21:57:26 < Thorn> currently all it does is blink leds 2017-11-16T21:57:35 < Rickta59> watchdog? 2017-11-16T21:57:50 < Thorn> nope not enabled 2017-11-16T21:58:00 < Thorn> that would be a capsense watchdog 2017-11-16T21:58:04 < Thorn> >pin 23: SWDIO/nRESET 2017-11-16T21:58:08 < Thorn> what. 2017-11-16T21:58:32 < qyx> capsense watchdog? 2017-11-16T21:58:38 < qyx> some new feature? 2017-11-16T21:58:51 < Thorn> the module has a 12kΩ form swdio to gnd 2017-11-16T21:59:13 < Thorn> let's see what the Produce Specification has to say about hardware reset 2017-11-16T22:00:36 < Thorn> (why not 10k?) 2017-11-16T22:00:56 < Rickta59> you sure you aren't talking ab out swclk? on 24 .. 2017-11-16T22:01:05 < Rickta59> that is the only pull down i see 2017-11-16T22:01:16 < Rickta59> https://www.waveshare.com/w/upload/5/57/Core51822-Schematic.pdf 2017-11-16T22:01:50 < Thorn> oh no, the resistor is on swclk 2017-11-16T22:01:54 < Thorn> yes you're right 2017-11-16T22:03:09 < englishman> oh yeah 2017-11-16T22:03:15 < englishman> nrf5x has a funky reset line 2017-11-16T22:03:16 < englishman> qyx: 2017-11-16T22:03:27 < englishman> err 2017-11-16T22:03:29 < englishman> sry 2017-11-16T22:03:31 < englishman> but yea 2017-11-16T22:03:56 < Thorn> l0l @ table 29 2017-11-16T22:04:39 < Thorn> you need to hold /reset low for 0.2µs to reset, but if swd is active then it's 100µs 2017-11-16T22:06:40 < Thorn> >... the nRF51822 is entering debug mode, as this only requires SWDIO to be pulled low while SWDCLK is pulled high 2017-11-16T22:06:55 < Thorn> this is why swdclk has a pulldown 2017-11-16T22:07:50 < Thorn> >the nRF52 chip has been designed to avoid this problem by requiring a more complicated start sequence to enter debug mode 2017-11-16T22:10:45 < Thorn> update: if I touch both the gnd and the metal box it doesn't reset 2017-11-16T22:11:22 < Thorn> could be capacitive coupling of line voltage through the body 2017-11-16T22:11:33 < Thorn> time for a scope 2017-11-16T22:18:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-16T22:19:25 < kakimir> is there such lan speed test tool I could just leave another client running on background and just test the speed any time? 2017-11-16T22:21:31 < qyx> mikrotik has a btest server & client 2017-11-16T22:21:36 < qyx> windows apps, simple exe 2017-11-16T22:22:02 < qyx> also there is a btest server running on every routeros instance by default 2017-11-16T22:22:08 < qyx> iirc 2017-11-16T22:30:39 < kakimir> okay how about for ubiquiti clan? 2017-11-16T22:30:47 < kakimir> also i just want PC to PC 2017-11-16T22:36:45 < BrainDamage> on lunix you can use iperf/iperf3 2017-11-16T22:37:46 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-16T22:37:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-16T22:38:22 < BrainDamage> it's trivial to use too, iperf3 -s on the server, iperf3 -c serveraddress on the client 2017-11-16T22:41:10 < kakimir> there is iperf in ubiquitis 2017-11-16T22:41:15 < kakimir> just read about it 2017-11-16T22:41:44 < kakimir> probs ssh connection is required to start iperf 2017-11-16T22:42:53 < kakimir> there is iperf for windows too 2017-11-16T22:45:45 < BrainDamage> if you set in daemon mode, once you start it you can leave it there 2017-11-16T22:49:50 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-16T22:50:09 < kakimir> it has really low amount of ram thought 2017-11-16T22:50:12 < kakimir> 16MB 2017-11-16T22:51:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-16T22:51:53 < kakimir> really nice 2017-11-16T22:55:07 < kakimir> have you told americans that bin ladens family is still alive? 2017-11-16T22:56:10 < kakimir> but it doesn't seem to be a problem like if your surname was hitler 2017-11-16T23:02:25 < kakimir> yet another? stm32 scope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxS6rvrk3o 2017-11-16T23:02:51 < kakimir> how can stm32 work as scope? 2017-11-16T23:03:18 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-16T23:03:36 < kakimir> "stm32 with pricetag around 5dollars" 2017-11-16T23:03:57 < kakimir> it seems very agile 2017-11-16T23:06:56 < qyx> kakimir: it works between pcs too 2017-11-16T23:07:04 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-16T23:39:55 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-16T23:43:46 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:bd85:bd08:d9cc:3d7a] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-16T23:58:10 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-16T23:58:31 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Fri Nov 17 2017 2017-11-17T00:03:01 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-17T00:04:59 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-17T00:20:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6fe0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-17T00:26:27 < kakimir> okay wlan roaming brakes connections 2017-11-17T00:26:36 < kakimir> not like 1second jump 2017-11-17T00:26:49 < kakimir> it properly cuts them connections clean off 2017-11-17T00:27:07 < kakimir> let me see if there is.. timeout for ssh 2017-11-17T00:28:03 < kakimir> I don't see it 2017-11-17T00:28:49 < kakimir> it's not about timeout because when there is lags ssh stays on for I while 2017-11-17T00:29:04 < kakimir> ip stays the same 2017-11-17T00:33:39 < kakimir> whatever 2017-11-17T00:34:13 < kakimir> there was some roaming assistant in asus that kicks out clients below certain dB 2017-11-17T00:34:15 < Cracki> that ds212, is it newer than the dso203? seems like it, the software looks more "dog-fooded in" 2017-11-17T00:34:54 < kakimir> it's new I think 2017-11-17T00:34:55 < Cracki> ah, 1 MS/s, so not as performant 2017-11-17T00:35:15 < kakimir> good for little hacks with low speed lines 2017-11-17T00:35:19 < kakimir> and motor control 2017-11-17T00:35:30 < Cracki> nvm 10 MS/s 2017-11-17T00:35:35 < Cracki> aye 2017-11-17T00:35:37 < kakimir> 10? 2017-11-17T00:35:41 < kakimir> what is? 2017-11-17T00:35:48 < Cracki> the product site says 10 MS/s sampling, 10 MS/s sig gen 2017-11-17T00:36:01 < Cracki> or 1 MHz bandwidth, not sure what they mean 2017-11-17T00:36:14 < englishman> lol awful 2017-11-17T00:36:15 < Cracki> ah 1 MHz square, 20 khz analog 2017-11-17T00:36:19 < Cracki> (gen) 2017-11-17T00:36:32 < englishman> i think upgrdman's F1 siggen was better 2017-11-17T00:36:33 < Cracki> analog bw 1 MHz, sampling 10 MS/s 2017-11-17T00:36:59 < kakimir> "The bandwidth of an oscilloscope actually indicates the point at which the measured amplitude on an amplitude/frequency chart has decreased by -3dB (or 70.7%) of the original value!" 2017-11-17T00:37:04 < kakimir> https://blog.adafruit.com/2012/01/27/why-oscilloscope-bandwidth-matters/ 2017-11-17T00:37:07 < Cracki> perhaps, I'm keen on a handheld scope tho, and the "stm32 based" scopes appear to go up to 1 MS/s only 2017-11-17T00:37:16 < kakimir> so at 1Mhz it's 3dB down 2017-11-17T00:37:19 < Cracki> yes yes analog bw, important to know 2017-11-17T00:37:27 < Cracki> the dso203 has 8 MHz analog bw, 72 MS/s 2017-11-17T00:37:31 < englishman> protip, all signals are analogue 2017-11-17T00:37:44 < kakimir> :) 2017-11-17T00:37:48 < Cracki> protip: say something useful 2017-11-17T00:37:52 < kakimir> interesting insight 2017-11-17T00:38:22 < englishman> googling ds212 returns only synology stuff 2017-11-17T00:38:28 < englishman> what do you want to do with handheld scope 2017-11-17T00:38:39 < englishman> do you require portability 2017-11-17T00:38:41 < Cracki> the afe of the dso203 seems to have been limited more than it needed to be 2017-11-17T00:39:02 < Cracki> I require not having to lug a bench scope to a machine in the field 2017-11-17T00:39:38 < Cracki> some simple scoping, nothing fancy 2017-11-17T00:40:00 < kakimir> I have shitty scope in my uni-t multimeter 2017-11-17T00:40:07 < kakimir> there is problems with trigger 2017-11-17T00:40:17 < kakimir> but it almost always does the job 2017-11-17T00:40:29 < Cracki> I have some old MS-1280 lcd scope, its screen update is horrible 2017-11-17T00:41:08 < kakimir> looks pretty similar you get with uni-t 2017-11-17T00:41:24 < Cracki> I'm really looking for something that can do analog, but mostly does LA work without a laptop 2017-11-17T00:42:28 < Cracki> I find the form factor attractive too. it's not a luggable, it fits in a pocket 2017-11-17T00:42:36 < kakimir> dear god.. there is reset button in the ubiquiti psu 2017-11-17T00:42:46 < Cracki> (would be nice to have an addon for android phones... microusb) 2017-11-17T00:42:54 < kakimir> it remotelly resets that bloddy thing I just lifted 6meters up 2017-11-17T00:43:05 < kakimir> so good 2017-11-17T00:45:52 < Cracki> hm, the ds212 is just stm32f3... the dso203 contains an fpga, so more complex firmware 2017-11-17T00:47:22 < Cracki> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il86j54dTzc 2017-11-17T00:53:44 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-17T00:55:19 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-14-118.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T00:57:26 < qyx> kakimir: did you want to reset it? 2017-11-17T01:04:27 < Cracki> damn https://www.seeed.cc/Wildcat-for-DSO-Quad-DSO203-Newbies-t-10794.html 2017-11-17T01:11:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T01:23:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2017-11-17T01:29:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-14-118.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-17T01:33:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-17T01:34:01 < kakimir> qyx: it just booted it 2017-11-17T01:34:48 < kakimir> guess what I did 2017-11-17T01:35:15 < kakimir> I went thru options 2017-11-17T01:35:20 < kakimir> enabled ssl 2017-11-17T01:35:28 < kakimir> for web interface 2017-11-17T01:36:00 < kakimir> web browser says yo dawg! that ssl version is not to be used with this browser! 2017-11-17T01:36:21 < kakimir> luckily I checked also ssh 2017-11-17T01:41:04 < kakimir> I wonder how I edit file in such system 2017-11-17T01:41:26 < kakimir> I see the line I want to change 2017-11-17T01:41:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T01:44:12 < ohsix> dnf being fat as fuck probably has something to do with my pi experience 2017-11-17T01:46:48 < kakimir> https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/Unifi-CLI-SSH-commands-list/td-p/944081 there are the commands 2017-11-17T01:47:34 < kakimir> hmm it has sed 2017-11-17T02:16:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T02:23:28 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-17T02:25:11 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T02:27:17 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/931304237316710401 2017-11-17T02:28:18 < dongs> what 2017-11-17T02:29:11 < Laurenceb_> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7112162/ 2017-11-17T02:29:30 < Laurenceb_> >kerbal 2017-11-17T02:29:45 < Laurenceb_> >build a revolutionary space launch system 2017-11-17T02:29:50 < Laurenceb_> >make gigabux 2017-11-17T02:30:03 < Laurenceb_> >boast about it on twitter 2017-11-17T02:30:24 < Laurenceb_> >get massive perman00b autists filling comment section with reddit tier shit 2017-11-17T02:33:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T02:34:25 < Laurenceb_> 8chan shitposting is better than that shit 2017-11-17T02:39:04 < Laurenceb_> kerbal: basic simulation for autists 2017-11-17T02:42:47 < Laurenceb_> It seems to be based off the minions films 2017-11-17T02:43:35 < Laurenceb_> I once got stuck on a london underground train that had shitty video adverts for minions, by the end of the journey I was about 5 seconds away from smashing that shit up 2017-11-17T02:46:15 < Laurenceb_> tomorrow I have to meet SOF guy 2017-11-17T02:47:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVR27dKuQY 2017-11-17T02:52:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T02:54:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-17T02:56:02 < Laurenceb_> I have my speech prepared already "what the fuck do you think this is, you say jump I say how high? More like you say jump I say fuck you!" 2017-11-17T02:58:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T03:03:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-17T03:07:00 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:d109:5d01:9251:3551] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T03:20:27 < jadew> ffs... downloading something off of xilinx.com requires that you're logged in and you fill out an export form 2017-11-17T03:20:37 < jadew> I hope they're happy with a throw away email and asdf asdf asdf asdf 2017-11-17T03:25:03 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f18f:fb42:d109:5d01:9251:3551] has quit [] 2017-11-17T03:26:44 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I why are these dudes still at it 2017-11-17T03:26:51 < dongs> i thoguht google sold them off 2017-11-17T03:27:55 < jadew> holly fuck 2017-11-17T03:28:41 < dongs> attn upgrdman , your next balancing robot ^ 2017-11-17T03:29:17 < dongs> no but i would pay to see you do that 2017-11-17T03:29:20 < dongs> link to vid anyway 2017-11-17T03:29:35 < upgrdman> dongs, lol nice. damn i cant compete with them :) 2017-11-17T03:30:13 < upgrdman> i would, like, have to do real engineering, if i ever want to make a quality robutt 2017-11-17T03:30:36 < dongs> eh 2017-11-17T03:30:46 < dongs> upgrdman: jap did that robot thing that spins on a pipe 2017-11-17T03:30:49 < dongs> and lands 2017-11-17T03:31:07 < upgrdman> ya saw that 2017-11-17T03:31:09 < jadew> I think the biggest challange is the mechanical part 2017-11-17T03:31:10 < upgrdman> super amazeballs 2017-11-17T03:31:17 < jadew> it has to be fast and precise 2017-11-17T03:31:36 < jadew> well, electro-mechanical 2017-11-17T03:32:14 < upgrdman> i still really want to make a centipede robot. but not one of those over-simplified ones i've seen. one that actually articulates like a centipede 2017-11-17T03:32:16 < jadew> the software is just a bit of math and some feedback loops 2017-11-17T03:32:34 < upgrdman> if i ever buy a laser cutter i'll probably try to make the centipede 2017-11-17T03:33:17 < jadew> now all they have to do is put a vagina on that thing and they'll have a best seller in japan 2017-11-17T03:33:20 < upgrdman> at least thought robot should reuqire much technical ability. just gets the mechanics right. 2017-11-17T03:33:40 < upgrdman> at least that robot shouldn't reuqire much technical ability. just gets the mechanics right. 2017-11-17T03:35:04 < upgrdman> only drawback is i would HAVE TO use a retarduino in order to get muh ad revenue 2017-11-17T03:35:20 < upgrdman> maybe an ESP8266 for the RF for moar ad revenue 2017-11-17T03:37:18 < dongs> fuckign japs 2017-11-17T03:37:29 < upgrdman> whatd they do now 2017-11-17T03:37:41 < upgrdman> did they touch your naughty place 2017-11-17T03:40:43 < kakimir> are you a jap dongs? 2017-11-17T03:41:10 < dongs> no im an african-american-jew 2017-11-17T03:46:48 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-17T03:51:14 < ReadErr> flyback: stop 2017-11-17T03:52:20 < ReadErr> ya before u 2017-11-17T03:53:17 < ReadErr> uh 2017-11-17T03:53:44 < sync> why wouldn't they 2017-11-17T03:53:59 < Ultrasauce> i hear there might be some documentation including ratings for various parameters such as temperature 2017-11-17T03:54:46 < Ultrasauce> i am all for gratuitous empiricism but really... 2017-11-17T03:55:20 < tpw_rules> the frequency drift might be problematic 2017-11-17T03:55:36 < tpw_rules> but that's entirely app-specific 2017-11-17T03:55:40 < tpw_rules> the chip can do -40 2017-11-17T03:55:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-17T03:56:22 < ReadErr> do an l0 too 2017-11-17T03:56:33 < sync> if you have a reasonable crystal it's gonna be fine 2017-11-17T03:56:57 < tpw_rules> no it won't die 2017-11-17T03:57:34 < tpw_rules> but like i once had a pair of 433mhz dongers i used for a weather station and once it got very cold outside, the frequency drifted and it couldn't talk to the receiver inside 2017-11-17T03:58:29 < tpw_rules> so as long as all your shit can tolerate like 5% clock drift you should be good 2017-11-17T04:09:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T04:09:35 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-17T04:10:33 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@xdsl-87-78-111-209.netcologne.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T04:10:33 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@xdsl-87-78-111-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-17T04:10:33 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T04:12:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-17T04:16:34 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T04:18:02 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-17T04:18:38 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T04:26:09 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-17T04:26:48 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T04:27:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-17T04:56:48 < dongs> attn upgrdman https://gfycat.com/impressionableeminentiguana 2017-11-17T04:57:17 < upgrdman> seent it, but lol 2017-11-17T04:58:05 < emeb_mac> must be allergy season 2017-11-17T05:00:32 < aandrew> I dunno. I am generally unimpressed with the "let's make a stupid robot that makes a mess for the lulz" 2017-11-17T05:00:40 < aandrew> that chick that does it just annoys me 2017-11-17T05:03:10 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-75-151.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-17T05:04:28 < emeb_mac> I'd hesitate to call any of those machines "robots" 2017-11-17T05:05:02 < emeb_mac> when I was 10 yrs old I used to build things with an erector set that used motors to make a big mess in my room. This stuff is about on that level. 2017-11-17T05:14:01 * emeb_mac turns the other cheek 2017-11-17T05:49:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T05:54:23 < upgrdman> wtf https://youtu.be/u5JLub4_gSs?t=146 2017-11-17T05:54:27 < upgrdman> dongs, ^ 2017-11-17T05:54:41 < upgrdman> typical hackaday person 2017-11-17T05:54:44 < branjb> dude looks like a lady 2017-11-17T05:55:04 < upgrdman> dresses like a 2017-11-17T05:55:07 < upgrdman> not looks like a 2017-11-17T05:55:11 < branjb> lol @ the one comment 2017-11-17T06:03:18 < dongs> jesus fuck 2017-11-17T06:03:20 < dongs> cannot unsee 2017-11-17T06:03:27 < upgrdman> you're welcome 2017-11-17T06:14:59 < branjb> http://www.krem.com/news/local/okanogan-county/graphic-obscene-skydrawings-spotted-in-okanogan-co/492496113 2017-11-17T06:15:01 < branjb> lol 2017-11-17T06:15:04 < branjb> dongs 2017-11-17T06:18:40 < dongs> sup dongs 2017-11-17T06:19:17 < branjb> sky dongs 2017-11-17T06:19:28 < dongs> i dont get it 2017-11-17T06:19:33 < dongs> the "graphic" video is just a static frame 2017-11-17T06:19:50 < branjb> did you not see the pictures 2017-11-17T06:20:07 < dongs> oh is ee the pics 2017-11-17T06:20:08 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/dQCV4 2017-11-17T06:20:08 < dongs> boring 2017-11-17T06:20:12 < dongs> ya 2017-11-17T06:20:13 < dongs> thjat works 2017-11-17T06:20:22 < branjb> shits hilarious 2017-11-17T06:20:30 < branjb> imagine the cockpit talk 2017-11-17T06:20:37 < branjb> "lol bro lets draw some sky dicks" 2017-11-17T06:20:38 < branjb> "k" 2017-11-17T06:20:46 < dongs> 'muricans are taking this shit too seriously once again 2017-11-17T06:20:57 < dongs> its like youre not even allowed to have fun anymore 2017-11-17T06:21:11 < dongs> speaking of cocks, my flight back from taiwan couple months ago almost did same thing 2017-11-17T06:21:13 < branjb> it's current year 2017-11-17T06:21:17 < branjb> of course you can't have fun 2017-11-17T06:21:21 < branjb> shit is serious 2017-11-17T06:21:35 < branjb> someone might get offended 2017-11-17T06:23:12 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/M7cIo8P.png 2017-11-17T06:23:17 < dongs> they circled aroudn that island 2017-11-17T06:23:31 < branjb> lol 2017-11-17T06:23:33 < dongs> twice 2017-11-17T06:23:49 < branjb> almost a dick 2017-11-17T06:23:53 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-17T06:23:56 < branjb> at least a ballsack 2017-11-17T06:24:34 < dongs> nobody got offended 2017-11-17T06:24:38 < dongs> probly cuz there was no americans on the flibght 2017-11-17T06:50:01 < ReadErr> dongs: 2017-11-17T06:50:02 < ReadErr> https://www.suasnews.com/2017/11/dont-mess-bug-bounty-hunters-dji-full-infrastructure-compromise/ 2017-11-17T06:50:16 < ReadErr> 11:48 PM <+chrono_> dji paid this dude 30k 2017-11-17T06:50:16 < ReadErr> 11:48 PM <+chrono_> for finding keys on aws 2017-11-17T06:53:30 < ReadErr> look who it was 2017-11-17T07:06:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-17T07:08:50 -!- 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2017-11-17T09:01:37 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-17T09:10:24 < ohsix> boobies 2017-11-17T09:16:01 < ingrix> I'm using gdb to debug some USB code I'm writing, and when I print out the address of the EP0 register before and after clearing the TX and RX status bits I get the same value for the register. anyone know what the deal with that is? 2017-11-17T09:16:19 < ingrix> s/address/value at the address 2017-11-17T09:17:54 < ingrix> to be clear, I'm doing that with (STM32F103C8), print /x 0x40005c00 2017-11-17T09:18:18 < ingrix> s/*0x40005c00 because I can't type tonight 2017-11-17T09:20:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@83.226.224.170] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T09:27:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T09:58:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@83.226.224.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-17T10:21:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T10:51:56 -!- dekar 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only must the new key keep the zero bits from the old key, the new key must also have an ECC value that keeps the zero bits from the old key's ECC 2017-11-17T12:13:56 < karlp> heh, hilarious 2017-11-17T12:14:20 < jpa-> the unlock code being 128 bits long, there would be enough entropy though 2017-11-17T12:14:45 < jpa-> but then they choose to provide an .exe that uses srand() (16 or 32 bits of entropy) based on PC time... 2017-11-17T12:15:51 < qyx> I am curious how secure is it 2017-11-17T12:17:40 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, that's true 2017-11-17T12:18:45 < zyp> the default ECC is ED C0, which out of 16 bits has 8 zeroes, throwing away 8 bits of entropy 2017-11-17T12:18:56 < zyp> and the default key has five zeroes 2017-11-17T12:19:12 < karlp> security by onion 2017-11-17T12:19:20 < zyp> leaving you with a 2^115 keyspace, that's not too bad 2017-11-17T12:19:27 < karlp> it doesn't matter if it's soft and easy to cut, as long as there's lots of layers of it. 2017-11-17T12:19:50 < jpa-> karlp: you forgot important part: every layer is so stupid it makes you cry 2017-11-17T12:20:19 < zyp> there should be about 2^107 keys that matches the original ECC so you don't even have to rewrite it :p 2017-11-17T12:21:58 < zyp> given that each half's ECC is independent, brute forcing a valid ECC should take no time at all 2017-11-17T12:22:25 < zyp> still stupid 2017-11-17T12:23:07 < zyp> anyway, it also answers what I were actually wondering about 2017-11-17T12:23:53 < zyp> since ECC is calculated on 64-bit words and can't be rewritten, I'll have to write 64 bits of OTP at a time 2017-11-17T12:38:24 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T12:38:59 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T12:39:05 < jadew> http://siglenteu.com/pdxx.aspx?id=3986&T=2&tid=16 2017-11-17T12:39:47 < karlp> that's a lot of bandwidth, 2017-11-17T12:39:51 < karlp> how much is that? 2017-11-17T12:40:05 < jadew> 1.3k for the 200 MHz model, 4k for the 500 MHz one 2017-11-17T12:40:32 < jadew> I think they just took the lead in the AWG market 2017-11-17T12:41:09 < jadew> it has some awesome features too 2017-11-17T12:41:15 < jadew> like added harmonic content 2017-11-17T12:41:30 < jadew> that you can easily tune 2017-11-17T12:41:50 < sync> looks like they are turning up the game 2017-11-17T12:41:55 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-17T12:42:06 < sync> but 1.3 for one that you can possibly update in software is ok 2017-11-17T12:42:16 < jadew> that's what I'm thinking 2017-11-17T12:43:00 < dongs> lol more waveshit genrators 2017-11-17T12:43:14 < dongs> one thing I'm sure sure i'd have any use for 2017-11-17T12:43:21 < dongs> 1st sure = not 2017-11-17T12:43:39 < sync> oh wow 2017-11-17T12:43:51 < sync> keysight now being edgy and making all their stuff black 2017-11-17T12:44:12 < dongs> gross 2017-11-17T12:44:19 < jadew> yeah, I hate it too 2017-11-17T12:44:30 < jadew> they'll switch everything to black... 2017-11-17T12:45:36 < dongs> it all started 2017-11-17T12:45:39 < dongs> wehn faggot hipsters like you 2017-11-17T12:45:45 < dongs> accepted gray on gray GUI 2017-11-17T12:45:48 < dongs> in text editors and such 2017-11-17T12:46:15 < jadew> you're probably referring to someone else, cuz I never accepted that 2017-11-17T12:47:12 < jadew> it's going to look awful next to older test equipment 2017-11-17T12:49:32 < Fleck> yeah, performs worse in black for sure 2017-11-17T12:50:29 < jadew> it's not about performance, it's about being worse looking than the usual stuff 2017-11-17T12:50:43 < Fleck> no 2017-11-17T12:50:48 < Fleck> its about opinion :P 2017-11-17T12:51:54 < jadew> http://www.keysight.com/main/campaign.jspx?cc=RO&lc=eng&ckey=2921905&id=2921905 2017-11-17T12:52:42 < jadew> looks like a fucking VCR 2017-11-17T12:54:05 < Fleck> if one can confuse that to a VCR, one should go see doc then 2017-11-17T13:02:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] 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http://fox8.com/2017/10/27/man-believed-to-be-suspect-who-shot-willoughby-hills-officers-speaks-on-podcast/ 2017-11-17T13:21:47 < ReadErr> http://fox8.com/2017/11/14/man-accused-in-car-dealership-shooting-taken-to-jail-after-being-released-from-hospital/ 2017-11-17T13:21:55 < ReadErr> he failed but he shot 2 cops 2017-11-17T13:22:14 < ReadErr> the news mentions EFNET NEWS PODCAST lol 2017-11-17T13:23:25 < ReadErr> did an interview in the hospital 2017-11-17T13:23:32 < ReadErr> but someone snitched and reported it to the news 2017-11-17T13:34:38 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@172.79.104.108] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T13:35:12 < jadew> wtf is wrong with xilinx, they stopped supporting their older chips 2017-11-17T13:35:23 < dongs> years ago dude 2017-11-17T13:35:26 < dongs> spartan6 is dead 2017-11-17T13:35:29 < dongs> together with ISE 2017-11-17T13:35:34 < dongs> its some vivaldo trash now 2017-11-17T13:35:39 < jadew> yeah, ISE doesn't run on windows 10 anymore 2017-11-17T13:35:40 < dongs> which is 7+_ series 2017-11-17T13:35:47 < dongs> it never did 2017-11-17T13:35:52 < jadew> I mean, I managed to get it working, but planahead isn't starting 2017-11-17T13:35:56 < dongs> there are shitty fixes but fuckem 2017-11-17T13:36:04 < dongs> jadew: need to copy jre few more times 2017-11-17T13:36:15 < invzim> heard so much crap about X toolchains, so sticking with vendor A/I 2017-11-17T13:36:15 < jadew> ffs... 2017-11-17T13:36:53 < invzim> I just pray they get some sense and buy sigasi and incorporate it in their IDE 2017-11-17T13:37:50 < jadew> are they not producing the older chips anymore? 2017-11-17T13:38:57 < dongs> they are 2017-11-17T13:38:59 < dongs> just no tools to use htem 2017-11-17T13:39:07 < jadew> that's so fucking stupid 2017-11-17T13:40:35 < Thorn> f401 from lcsc seem to work fine 2017-11-17T13:40:51 < Thorn> legit supplier 2017-11-17T13:45:07 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-17T14:25:58 -!- fenugrec 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offers a number of new language features and standard libraries. These includes standardized threading support for mutexes, atomics, future/promise, and the use of the thread_local keyword. These features are supported on the INTEGRITY RTOS and can be easily customized to work on other OS. 2017-11-17T15:25:02 < karlp> oh, I know it's pricy, 2017-11-17T15:25:09 < dongs> zyp should be excited 2017-11-17T15:25:15 < karlp> just thought they'd have _some_ mention of where/how to get it. 2017-11-17T15:25:21 < ReadErr> i got the jetbrains bundlepack 2017-11-17T15:25:22 < ReadErr> free 2017-11-17T15:25:27 < ReadErr> that was cool 2017-11-17T15:26:23 < ReadErr> https://www.jetbrains.com/go/?fromMenu 2017-11-17T15:26:25 < ReadErr> pretty kewt 2017-11-17T15:27:47 < karlp> which one? 2017-11-17T15:28:11 < ReadErr> oh, GoLand 2017-11-17T15:28:35 < karlp> yeah, most of their tools start out as free now, and then they split them into pro/free later 2017-11-17T15:28:39 < ReadErr> pycharms is nice too 2017-11-17T15:28:47 < karlp> I use free versions of pycharm intellij a fair bit 2017-11-17T15:28:49 < ReadErr> i still have a .edu 2017-11-17T15:28:59 < karlp> a lot of plugins work better in intellij rather than pycharm though, 2017-11-17T15:29:01 < ReadErr> so i got that lic free 2017-11-17T15:29:05 < dongs> Nintendo Licenses Green Hills' MULTI IDE For Wii U Developers 2017-11-17T15:29:05 < dongs> lol 2017-11-17T15:29:13 < ReadErr> i wish it could run eclipse plugins 2017-11-17T15:29:21 < karlp> no you don't 2017-11-17T15:29:26 < ReadErr> well just 1 2017-11-17T15:29:28 < ReadErr> or 2 2017-11-17T15:29:50 < ReadErr> http://embsysregview.sourceforge.net/img/screenshot5_full.jpg 2017-11-17T15:29:51 < ReadErr> ^ 2017-11-17T15:30:53 < ReadErr> the pycharms remote debugging is pretty slick too 2017-11-17T15:31:47 < karlp> no wya you're going to get embsysregview in intellij or friends anytime soon, that's a pretty heavily explicltly eclipse thing 2017-11-17T15:31:53 < karlp> isn't it pay too? 2017-11-17T15:32:31 < Lux> karlp: yeah greenhill is good at marketing.. talked to a sales rep once and he was super excited to explain how they generate your keys for crypto sigining in a bunker 2017-11-17T15:32:34 < dongs> karlp: some google stuff hints on around $56k 2017-11-17T15:32:35 < dongs> err $6k 2017-11-17T15:32:39 < dongs> for multi +comilers 2017-11-17T15:34:37 < karlp> yeah, not buying it, was just curious about how you run a company that makes it so hard to buy things 2017-11-17T15:34:57 < dongs> people who buy their shit are generally not gonna worry if it costs $6k or $60k 2017-11-17T15:34:57 < aandrew> word ##stm32 2017-11-17T15:35:14 < dongs> the whole ghs is oldschool hardcore stuff 2017-11-17T15:35:20 < aandrew> ghs? 2017-11-17T15:35:24 < dongs> greenhills stuff 2017-11-17T15:35:27 < aandrew> ah 2017-11-17T15:47:13 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/cmuratori/status/931476805197819904 2017-11-17T15:54:23 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T15:58:13 < jadew> I don't know wtf is wrong with ISE, but even after making it start and work, it refuses to compile the simplest of verilog 2017-11-17T15:58:38 < dongs> just install win7 in vmware 2017-11-17T15:58:41 < dongs> stop wasting time with win10 2017-11-17T15:58:47 < dongs> its not gonna work 2017-11-17T15:58:58 < jadew> but that sounds like a pain in the ass too 2017-11-17T15:59:41 < jadew> also, I don't want 2-3 years from now to have to deal with the same shit again 2017-11-17T16:00:33 < jadew> I'll just install quattro and use an altera part 2017-11-17T16:15:04 < aandrew> whoa whoa whoa 2017-11-17T16:15:10 < aandrew> < dongs> stop wasting time with win10 2017-11-17T16:15:14 < dongs> it was never about xilinx was it 2017-11-17T16:15:17 < aandrew> do my eyes deceive me? 2017-11-17T16:15:19 < dongs> it was always about you're gonna use altera 2017-11-17T16:15:21 < dongs> and you just wanted to blog 2017-11-17T16:15:29 < dongs> aandrew: no im talking about him trying to waste time running ISE under win120 2017-11-17T16:15:40 < jadew> dongs, no, I want to use xilinx 2017-11-17T16:15:47 < jadew> I have a bunch of xilinx tools and dev boards 2017-11-17T16:15:50 < dongs> then shut the fuck up, install win7 in VM and start working 2017-11-17T16:15:53 < dongs> dont be a faggot 2017-11-17T16:16:01 < dongs> less autism, more work 2017-11-17T16:17:45 < aandrew> hah 2017-11-17T16:18:05 < aandrew> I use win7 VMs for anything windows that i have to do. it's the best way to run windows. locked away in a VM away from real HW 2017-11-17T16:18:31 < aandrew> the only thing I have not found a good solution for is ESXi USB forwarding. USB4RDP and others do a marginal job at best 2017-11-17T16:18:44 < aandrew> using VMware Fusion on my workstation is flawless though 2017-11-17T16:18:59 < aandrew> I still can't believe how great Altium works over RDP 2017-11-17T16:19:25 < aandrew> although I've heard rumour that Altium18 wants significantly beefier graphics HW 2017-11-17T16:27:49 < dongs> good 2017-11-17T16:28:00 < dongs> maybe its rewritten in C instead of delphi, too 2017-11-17T16:28:22 < tpw_rules> tcl for life 2017-11-17T16:29:15 < aandrew> yeah right 2017-11-17T16:29:39 < aandrew> although they did say it's multithreaded and 64b support now. Is such a thing possible in Delphi now? 2017-11-17T16:29:48 < tpw_rules> i'm thankful all this shit missed the java boat 2017-11-17T16:29:49 < aandrew> I can't imagine the amount of work that was to port away 2017-11-17T16:29:51 < dongs> 64bit about time 2017-11-17T16:30:04 < dongs> tpw_rules: FPGA tools didnt miss the java boat 2017-11-17T16:30:08 < dongs> they got fully onboard. 2017-11-17T16:30:12 < dongs> xilinx ships 3 copies of jvm 2017-11-17T16:30:12 < tpw_rules> quartus did 2017-11-17T16:30:15 < dongs> with each install of ISE 2017-11-17T16:30:20 < tpw_rules> it's all tcl 2017-11-17T16:30:23 < dongs> beacuse 1 copy wasnt enough 2017-11-17T16:30:24 < dongs> lol, tcl 2017-11-17T16:30:29 < dongs> tcl is inISE too 2017-11-17T16:30:33 < dongs> fucking gross. 2017-11-17T16:30:34 < tpw_rules> actually i take that back all the nios stuff is java 2017-11-17T16:30:41 < tpw_rules> it ships eclipse 2017-11-17T16:35:52 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-17T16:36:05 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-17T16:37:03 < karlp> aandrew: thanks for the highlight, great dongs quote :) 2017-11-17T16:37:57 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T16:39:10 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T16:52:05 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T16:57:18 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T17:15:04 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/7kcBy8D.jpg 2017-11-17T17:15:45 < jadew> looks both efficient and eco friendly 2017-11-17T17:16:54 < BrainDamage> if you put the generator in the car's trunk, does it make it an internal combustion car again? 2017-11-17T17:17:27 < englishman> hey you invented PHEV 2017-11-17T17:20:08 < jadew> BrainDamage, it won't fit in the trunk, you need that trailer to fit both the generator and the gas 2017-11-17T17:21:10 < BrainDamage> you can push down the seats, like most cars 2017-11-17T17:21:20 < jadew> ah, good point 2017-11-17T17:22:15 < jadew> I guess that wouldn't be necessary for the ones that also have a front trunk 2017-11-17T17:22:19 < jadew> you can put the engine there 2017-11-17T17:22:22 < jadew> and the gas in the back 2017-11-17T17:23:17 < jadew> then people will wonder why your tesla sounds like a trabant 2017-11-17T17:23:44 < aandrew> what is a trabant 2017-11-17T17:23:57 < jadew> a cardboard car 2017-11-17T17:24:03 < jadew> top german quality 2017-11-17T17:24:54 < jadew> sounds like a chainsaw 2017-11-17T17:24:55 < BrainDamage> not as cool as a reliant robin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atrll2yr8Ds 2017-11-17T17:25:47 < BrainDamage> well, let's pick a real video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPQ9V1qaYQ 2017-11-17T17:26:04 < BrainDamage> british dot jpg 2017-11-17T17:26:17 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1-4GsQa-g 2017-11-17T17:27:29 < jadew> my grandpa had one, he always had to work on it 2017-11-17T17:27:39 < jadew> he actually bought another one for spare parts 2017-11-17T17:27:48 < aandrew> I thought you romanians were all about the dacia 2017-11-17T17:28:08 < jadew> we had a bit of variation 2017-11-17T17:28:20 < jadew> trabants, some VWs 2017-11-17T17:30:48 < jadew> funny thing about the trabant, is that in the car's manual it says that all trabant owners have to salute themselves when they pass by each other 2017-11-17T17:30:56 < jadew> and they did (probably still do) 2017-11-17T17:31:30 < aandrew> hahaha 2017-11-17T17:31:44 < aandrew> kind of like that handlebar wave motorcyclists do around here 2017-11-17T17:33:27 < jadew> Q: why is a trabant not moving after the traffic light turned green. A: it's stuck into a gum. 2017-11-17T17:33:39 < jadew> we have lots of jokes about that car 2017-11-17T17:34:15 < jadew> and kids used to tease me because my grandpa had one 2017-11-17T17:35:31 < jadew> they made a rhyme in which they were calling my grandparents by their names and they were having sex in the trabant 2017-11-17T17:37:49 < englishman> ReadErr: http://www.thermaltronics.com/tmt-astc100.php 2017-11-17T17:37:51 < englishman> getting this too 2017-11-17T17:38:06 < englishman> and thermaldonix tech suggested M7CP202 tip 2017-11-17T17:38:25 < jadew> that looks nice 2017-11-17T17:41:01 < PaulFertser> jadew: I wonder why it was still produced given it's so much inferior to soviet cars such as lada and even moskvich? 2017-11-17T17:41:32 < jadew> I don't know, maybe it was cheaper? 2017-11-17T17:41:59 < karlp> jobs 2017-11-17T17:42:11 < karlp> busy work is serious y0 2017-11-17T17:42:17 < ingrix> Germany was kind of contentious territory. maybe the SU was treating it like a new girlfriend's kid 2017-11-17T17:44:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-17T17:47:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T17:47:06 < PaulFertser> jadew: I think there were no common post-war soviet 2-stroke engine cars at all. 2017-11-17T17:48:30 < PaulFertser> Probably just https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%97_%D0%A1-3%D0%90 due to a popular movie 2017-11-17T17:50:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbFTI657NFA 2017-11-17T17:50:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u789dhWZXoQ 2017-11-17T17:50:49 < kakimir> roadster 2020 2017-11-17T17:52:08 < englishman> haha $200k 2017-11-17T17:53:00 < kakimir> not bad 2017-11-17T17:53:05 < englishman> cash grab from a dying company 2017-11-17T17:53:06 < kakimir> for a supercar 2017-11-17T17:53:19 < dongs> still retarded ipad in the console 2017-11-17T17:53:24 < kakimir> to they require full payment? 2017-11-17T17:53:58 < englishman> i can see the future 2017-11-17T17:54:02 < englishman> pull up to red light 2017-11-17T17:54:06 < englishman> corvette next to you 2017-11-17T17:54:08 < englishman> he revs engine 2017-11-17T17:54:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwKmUH9wIg musk presentation 2017-11-17T17:54:10 < englishman> wants to race 2017-11-17T17:54:25 < englishman> he loads up trans 2017-11-17T17:54:29 < englishman> you enter ipad menu 2017-11-17T17:54:32 < englishman> go to car settings 2017-11-17T17:54:41 < englishman> select race mode 2017-11-17T17:54:45 < englishman> "do you want to enter race mode" 2017-11-17T17:54:45 < kakimir> empty semi getting to 60mph at 5secs 2017-11-17T17:54:46 < englishman> press yes 2017-11-17T17:54:47 < englishman> miss 2017-11-17T17:54:50 < englishman> accidentally press no 2017-11-17T17:55:02 < englishman> corvette is at next light already 2017-11-17T17:55:35 < kakimir> obsession with that display is killing the company 2017-11-17T17:55:40 < kakimir> I think 2017-11-17T17:55:56 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-17T17:56:00 < kakimir> like model 3 has like only one button in it 2017-11-17T17:56:01 < englishman> well it doesnt help but the company has much bigger problems 2017-11-17T17:56:23 < kakimir> it's a big turndown for buyers that demand practicality 2017-11-17T17:56:44 < kakimir> when I was test driving model s it was really hard to do everything with that ipad 2017-11-17T17:56:53 < kakimir> just give me buttons! 2017-11-17T17:57:17 < kakimir> I don't want to go thru menus to adjust climate control 2017-11-17T17:57:24 < kakimir> or even look at it 2017-11-17T17:57:46 < kakimir> just go thru buttons without even looking 2017-11-17T17:57:47 < karlp> what are the "bigger problems" englishman? 2017-11-17T17:58:01 < englishman> years of unprofitability 2017-11-17T17:58:05 < englishman> highly leveraged 2017-11-17T17:58:10 < englishman> unfunded product lines 2017-11-17T17:58:17 < englishman> fading government incentives 2017-11-17T17:58:29 < englishman> large additional investment needed to enter chinese market, no chinese partners 2017-11-17T17:58:42 < englishman> poor assembly line performance 2017-11-17T17:58:48 < englishman> looming fleet of cars coming out of warranty 2017-11-17T17:59:03 < englishman> insufficient parts supply for cars that are still in warranty 2017-11-17T17:59:55 < englishman> competition catching up (after 8 years of model S) 2017-11-17T17:59:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T18:00:26 < englishman> startlingly poor model X sales 2017-11-17T18:00:52 < dongs> ill never buy a tesla as long as they have that fucking ipad bolted in there 2017-11-17T18:01:26 < karlp> what doyou mean by "unfunded product lines" ? 2017-11-17T18:02:01 < englishman> pickup, semi truck, model Y are unfunded 2017-11-17T18:02:11 < englishman> as in, they need to raise capital to fund their design and production 2017-11-17T18:02:29 < englishman> but they already added $1.8b in debt this quarter to pay for model 3 production line 2017-11-17T18:02:34 < karlp> assembly lien peformance, do you mean there that they get a very low yield on bodies attempted to assemble? like late production failures that get scrapped, rather than everything coming off the line being good? 2017-11-17T18:02:44 < PaulFertser> jadew: hm, indeed, the trabant wikipedia article says it was extremely cheap, about the same as a motorbike with a sidecar, 2x less than a "real car". 2017-11-17T18:02:44 < karlp> yeah, semi truck looks dumb as fuck, 2017-11-17T18:03:20 < jadew> PaulFertser, my grandpa had a motorbike with a sidecar too 2017-11-17T18:03:44 < PaulFertser> jadew: what make/model? 2017-11-17T18:03:53 < englishman> karlp, with S and X they purchased a toyota assembly line. with 3 they are attempting to start up a new assembly line, but it is years behind schedule. they are telling their parts suppliers to slow down 2017-11-17T18:03:53 < jadew> I don't know, he sold it before I was born 2017-11-17T18:04:12 < englishman> well trabant was basically a motorcycle 2017-11-17T18:06:27 < PaulFertser> englishman: it was front-wheel drive, and I guess the transmission wasn't motorbike-style either. 2017-11-17T18:06:48 < englishman> i dono about the trans. but i was thinking of the reserve fuel tank lol 2017-11-17T18:07:14 < englishman> i'm not ripping on trabi at all. it is one of my favourite cars 2017-11-17T18:07:35 < PaulFertser> Was it literally a reserve fuel tank or just a special valve as on motorbikes? 2017-11-17T18:08:24 < englishman> afaik, like a moto, that draws from further down the tank 2017-11-17T18:08:57 < PaulFertser> Heh, that's a funny detail but it doesn't put it much closer to a motorbike imho. 2017-11-17T18:09:41 * englishman hugs his mosin 91/30 2017-11-17T18:10:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-17T18:12:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T18:16:10 < BrainDamage> karlp: here's the long version https://seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline 2017-11-17T18:16:28 < BrainDamage> i don't necessarily agree with all of it, but there's some nice points 2017-11-17T18:17:22 < kakimir> they had good run thought 2017-11-17T18:17:32 < kakimir> if they go under 2017-11-17T18:19:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-17T18:20:04 < kakimir> but I think new roadster and semis are really exciting if those specs are real 2017-11-17T18:20:47 < kakimir> it might just give them a chance to level at 0 2017-11-17T18:20:56 < kakimir> before crashing 2017-11-17T18:22:06 < englishman> lol @ kimball musk 2017-11-17T18:22:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T18:22:55 < dongs> also 2017-11-17T18:23:01 < dongs> fuck you for linking to an amp article, barthess 2017-11-17T18:23:03 < dongs> er BrainDamage 2017-11-17T18:23:11 < dongs> i was wondering waht the fuck was wrong with it 2017-11-17T18:23:13 < dongs> until i saw amp in url 2017-11-17T18:23:16 < BrainDamage> ops, sorry 2017-11-17T18:23:33 < dongs> BrainDamage: goto encrypted.google.com on your phone. search for something, like cocks. 2017-11-17T18:23:35 < BrainDamage> i need an extension to remove that shit 2017-11-17T18:23:44 < dongs> then goto chrome settings, search engines, and select encrypted.google as your new shit 2017-11-17T18:23:47 < dongs> no more amp 2017-11-17T18:24:17 < dongs> you cant fucking remove it 2017-11-17T18:24:29 < dongs> https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline 2017-11-17T18:25:21 < kakimir> yes that link was 5seconds ago 2017-11-17T18:25:28 < dongs> not that link 2017-11-17T18:25:33 < BrainDamage> ... you can't read the chat, do you? 2017-11-17T18:25:33 < dongs> the link 5 seconds ago was a fucking google spam link 2017-11-17T18:25:37 < BrainDamage> that's the non-amp version 2017-11-17T18:26:34 < kakimir> what is that 2017-11-17T18:26:44 < dongs> amp was made for faggots like you 2017-11-17T18:26:46 < dongs> clueless about internet 2017-11-17T18:27:49 < BrainDamage> google's idea of making pages mobile, by conveniently redirecting all the shit trough their servers to strip down stuff 2017-11-17T18:33:42 < kakimir> first one looks better 2017-11-17T18:36:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-17T18:40:40 < karlp> what was wrong with it? it was fucking great, no ads, nothing. 2017-11-17T18:46:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-17T18:55:21 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T18:56:53 < Steffanx> Where is LoRanceb? 2017-11-17T19:01:32 < kakimir> did he /part? 2017-11-17T19:01:53 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-17T19:02:35 < kakimir> boycott ##stm32 for it's anti-lul policies 2017-11-17T19:04:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-17T19:13:24 -!- freakuency_ is now known as freakuency 2017-11-17T19:15:24 < kakimir> jadew: "If the PCB is missing the BIOS, you can directly swap this PCB." 2017-11-17T19:15:39 < jadew> what? 2017-11-17T19:15:50 < kakimir> oh it was for seagate 2017-11-17T19:15:59 < jadew> ah 2017-11-17T19:16:00 < kakimir> http://www.hddzone.com/hdd_pcb_bios_rom_chip_nvram.html 2017-11-17T19:16:11 < jadew> nice 2017-11-17T19:16:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T19:17:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T19:26:16 < englishman> he's busy posting 8ch links in another chan 2017-11-17T19:29:16 < kakimir> jadew: should I open the drive second time and blow in with some CFC air spray to remove dusts? 2017-11-17T19:29:28 < jadew> kakimir, no 2017-11-17T19:29:44 < jadew> did you leave it dusty? 2017-11-17T19:30:03 < jadew> most dust will blow off to the sides 2017-11-17T19:30:10 < jadew> once the disk starts spinning 2017-11-17T19:30:47 < jadew> and the reading head doesn't go in until the disk is spinning at full speed 2017-11-17T19:30:59 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-17T19:31:08 < jadew> because it floats on the air that's flowing because of that rotation 2017-11-17T19:31:15 < kakimir> there is actually air filter inside the drive 2017-11-17T19:31:30 < jadew> so the odds of dust remaining on the disk are small 2017-11-17T19:31:41 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-17T19:31:57 < kakimir> big dust at least 2017-11-17T19:32:03 < kakimir> some micro dust idk 2017-11-17T19:35:44 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@193.138.219.250] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T19:40:10 < kakimir> jadew: is there any way to read and write bios instead of soldering? 2017-11-17T19:40:27 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@193.138.219.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-17T19:40:48 < jadew> kakimir, I don't know 2017-11-17T19:42:10 < jadew> if there's no standard way there's a custom way for sure, (via ATA commands), but I don't think it will be easy to find that 2017-11-17T19:43:17 < dongs> did you buy a seagate or something lol 2017-11-17T19:43:42 < jadew> dongs, he has a broken one 2017-11-17T19:45:40 < kakimir> I fear the main chip is faulty 2017-11-17T19:45:57 < kakimir> drive was hanging of it's wires 2017-11-17T19:46:14 < kakimir> I suspect pcb hit metal frame of computer or so 2017-11-17T19:46:17 < jadew> did you check the connector? 2017-11-17T19:46:24 < kakimir> creating short 2017-11-17T19:46:36 < kakimir> connector is fine 2017-11-17T19:46:37 < jadew> ah, so check voltages too 2017-11-17T19:46:37 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T19:46:58 < kakimir> I did try to read the disc with external tool 2017-11-17T19:47:03 < kakimir> same story 2017-11-17T19:47:11 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-17T19:47:12 < jadew> power just the PCB (not the disk too) 2017-11-17T19:47:22 < jadew> so, with the PCB disconnected from the rest of the disk 2017-11-17T19:47:29 < jadew> and see if you get the expected voltages 2017-11-17T19:47:46 < kakimir> there is no danger in doing that? 2017-11-17T19:47:54 < kakimir> burning drivers etc? 2017-11-17T19:47:55 < jadew> it's already fucked 2017-11-17T19:48:13 < jadew> well, if you don't power on the mechanical part, there's no danger 2017-11-17T19:48:13 < dongs> hookup RC esc to the drive motor 2017-11-17T19:48:31 < kakimir> drive motor and head coil are okay 2017-11-17T19:48:43 < kakimir> it spins up and then starts click of death 2017-11-17T19:49:21 < kakimir> another option is that disc fell at some point - not that I knew it did - but possible 2017-11-17T19:49:34 < jadew> kakimir, start with this, you may be in luck and there could be just a simple short or a fried regulator 2017-11-17T19:49:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-17T19:50:03 < jadew> it's gonna take you 10 minutes to do that 2017-11-17T19:50:20 < kakimir> I see 3 regulators 2017-11-17T19:50:24 < kakimir> what should I find? 2017-11-17T19:50:30 < jadew> look up the ICs there, figure out what power rails they expect and probe their pins 2017-11-17T19:50:38 < kakimir> have you measured anything in these? 2017-11-17T19:50:47 < kakimir> 2 ld1117 lookin ones 2017-11-17T19:50:52 < kakimir> one small shiet 2017-11-17T19:51:24 < kakimir> those are suprise suprise 3v3 and 1v8 2017-11-17T19:55:21 < dongs> how fucking ancient is this thing 2017-11-17T19:55:27 < dongs> to have linear regulators 2017-11-17T19:58:33 < kakimir> when 160Gb was a thing 2017-11-17T19:58:39 < kakimir> GB 2017-11-17T19:59:23 < kakimir> http://www.kexin.com.cn/pdf/FDC642P-HF.pdf the small shit is 2017-11-17T19:59:48 < kakimir> it's connected to that head driver unit 2017-11-17T19:59:52 < kakimir> RC6500 2017-11-17T20:00:18 < kakimir> it was not switched there was some caps at 0,00v 2017-11-17T20:00:43 < kakimir> naturally it doesn't switch it on like that if your whole drive is missing 2017-11-17T20:01:06 < kakimir> I have found organ donnor for this 2017-11-17T20:02:15 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:28f8:28bc:825f:fc51:b681] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T20:02:48 < kakimir> I buy that one and probs I can cross check some voltages 2017-11-17T20:03:19 < kakimir> is there btw any special gas mixture inside hdds when they come out of factory? 2017-11-17T20:03:29 < kakimir> are those even venting air? 2017-11-17T20:03:36 < kakimir> or completelly sealed? 2017-11-17T20:05:39 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T20:06:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-17T20:07:04 < kakimir> hey is there any problem about changing this broken board to not broken disk jadew? 2017-11-17T20:07:11 < kakimir> assumed broken 2017-11-17T20:07:20 < kakimir> if it starts working magically or something 2017-11-17T20:07:35 < kakimir> I mean without changing bios 2017-11-17T20:07:54 < kakimir> and how important is that bios? 2017-11-17T20:07:56 < kakimir> totally? 2017-11-17T20:08:00 < jadew> I don't know, that's the thing 2017-11-17T20:08:23 < jadew> if it can calibrate itself, it will probably work, if it has some custom settings for each disk, it won't work 2017-11-17T20:08:30 < jadew> the easiest way to find out is to try 2017-11-17T20:08:40 < jadew> get a disk off of ebay and see how it goes, can't be more than $20 2017-11-17T20:09:10 < kakimir> $30 buy it now 2017-11-17T20:09:35 < kakimir> I wonder if calibration data was that important even when this drive was made 2017-11-17T20:09:36 < jadew> make an offer: 10 2017-11-17T20:09:40 < jadew> he'll say 15 2017-11-17T20:10:23 < jadew> afk 2017-11-17T20:10:34 < kakimir> it's bidding 2017-11-17T20:10:37 < kakimir> 12,90eur min 2017-11-17T20:11:17 < kakimir> if I loose this bid there is no knowing when is the next oppoturnity 2017-11-17T20:14:39 < kakimir> "That said, I have seen several disputes at HDD Guru between the professionals in regards to Samsung PCBs. I personally have witnessed threads where firmware transfers were necessary and others where they were not." 2017-11-17T20:17:12 < kakimir> part of the firmware is written on the disk :/ 2017-11-17T20:17:18 < kakimir> interestings 2017-11-17T20:17:57 < jadew> exactly what I told you last time :) 2017-11-17T20:18:13 < jadew> I say bid and then snipe it 2017-11-17T20:18:35 < jadew> or wait until the end and snipe it then 2017-11-17T20:47:00 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:28f8:28bc:825f:fc51:b681] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-17T20:48:09 < kakimir> I just throw the new board in and it will do 2017-11-17T20:48:19 < kakimir> assuming it's the same pcb number 2017-11-17T20:51:06 < kakimir> is there any ata commands to set drive read only 2017-11-17T20:51:24 < kakimir> so that write operations even by drive controller are not performed 2017-11-17T21:05:33 < BrainDamage> karlp: the reason why amp have no ads is that you're loading shit trough google servers, you don't need ads because they are already relaying you content, it's both killing the competition and snooping on your stuff 2017-11-17T21:06:11 < BrainDamage> they have the same tracking effect of ads, minus the visible part 2017-11-17T21:06:52 < jadew> kakimir, you can mount it in read only mode 2017-11-17T21:07:29 < jadew> ffs, black friday sale and no ssd 2017-11-17T21:07:32 < jadew> or I missed them all 2017-11-17T21:12:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-17T21:16:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T21:38:26 < englishman> isnt that shit next week 2017-11-17T21:38:58 < jpa-> hmm, new board with stm32f427, NRST goes high but VCAP is 0V 2017-11-17T21:46:03 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/stm32f427.png any obvious bugs? 2017-11-17T21:46:28 < jpa-> .... aside from the fact that i have soldered the cpu wrong way around 2017-11-17T21:54:37 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-17T21:55:02 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T21:56:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-17T21:58:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T22:03:37 < kakimir> jadew: that is not guarantee of no write operations 2017-11-17T22:03:54 < jadew> I don't think you can do better than that 2017-11-17T22:04:20 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-17T22:05:05 < kakimir> my evil plan is to image broken disc with fresh pcb and then 2017-11-17T22:06:00 < kakimir> butt fresh pcb back to it's original disk and then dump the shit in there 2017-11-17T22:06:49 < jadew> if it's on ebay, it can't be that fresh 2017-11-17T22:07:43 < englishman> jpa-: nice, did the stm32 dimples get you again 2017-11-17T22:13:24 < jpa-> englishman: no, i very carefully looked which one was mold release and which one was the real mark, and then i also double-checked the text direction 2017-11-17T22:13:29 < jpa-> and then i soldered it wrong way 2017-11-17T22:13:39 < englishman> nice 2017-11-17T22:13:55 < englishman> congrats 2017-11-17T22:13:56 < jadew> hah 2017-11-17T22:14:09 < jpa-> works now that i put a new cpu in the correct way 2017-11-17T22:14:19 < englishman> major bug imo 2017-11-17T22:14:30 < jadew> so the IC was fried 2017-11-17T22:14:33 < englishman> st needs to innovate 360 degree ic technology 2017-11-17T22:14:50 < jpa-> jadew: didn't even try, i just cut it off to save the pcb and rest of parts 2017-11-17T22:15:26 < jadew> isn't it easier to desolder it? 2017-11-17T22:15:55 < jpa-> lqfp100? nope 2017-11-17T22:16:02 < jpa-> even with hot air it is pretty annoying 2017-11-17T22:24:05 < Cracki> what options are there besides cutting it off and cleaning up the solder joints with dangling legs, or heat gun? 2017-11-17T22:24:41 < jadew> heating it up and removing it with a tweezers 2017-11-17T22:24:59 < jpa-> chipquick (low melting point solder) works also 2017-11-17T22:25:05 < Cracki> ah right that stuff 2017-11-17T22:25:07 < jpa-> but pretty easy to pull a pad 2017-11-17T22:25:16 < Cracki> anything more... controlled? 2017-11-17T22:25:24 < jadew> hot plate 2017-11-17T22:25:26 < Cracki> thinking about IR laser 2017-11-17T22:25:37 < Cracki> lol hot plate, what's next, flammenwerfer? 2017-11-17T22:25:47 < jadew> seriously 2017-11-17T22:26:05 < jadew> you preheat the board then you just apply a bit of heat with the heat gun and you remove it 2017-11-17T22:26:34 < Cracki> I saw some industrial stuff that used well timed laser to solder joints. might be possible to heat all the joints for desoldering too, if the laser can be x/y deflected? 2017-11-17T22:26:44 < Cracki> hmhm 2017-11-17T22:27:17 < jadew> they were using the laser to solder through hole stuff IIRC 2017-11-17T22:28:01 < jadew> probably as a ploy to drive 80% of the chinese population out of work 2017-11-17T22:28:13 < englishman> dono man i did some qfp144 this week 2017-11-17T22:28:15 < englishman> not that bad 2017-11-17T22:28:17 < englishman> and rohs 2017-11-17T22:28:22 < jadew> removing? 2017-11-17T22:28:26 < englishman> replacing yeah 2017-11-17T22:28:39 < englishman> with plastic parts nearby 2017-11-17T22:28:43 < jadew> yeah, I replaced some big ICs too, you just have to heat it enough 2017-11-17T22:30:57 < Cracki> galvos n mirrors and a strong IR laser, that'd be nice 2017-11-17T22:32:55 -!- syn0 [~luciano@ns3048301.ip-37-187-20.eu] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T22:35:09 < karlp> BrainDamage: yeah, I get it, I'm not a google fan boy, but at first glance, that webpage just looked nice and clean and easy to read. 2017-11-17T22:35:31 < karlp> why do the content providers get on board? or is google mangling their urls on them as well? seems harsh? 2017-11-17T22:36:31 -!- syn0 [~luciano@ns3048301.ip-37-187-20.eu] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-17T22:37:16 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@193.138.219.250] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T22:38:39 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T22:38:40 < karlp> jpa-: why 100k for the boot pulldown? 2017-11-17T22:38:57 < karlp> it's not always on, so it's not saving power vs a 10k? 2017-11-17T22:40:24 < jpa-> karlp: i use 100k elsewhere on the board so just limiting number of separate values 2017-11-17T22:40:25 < karlp> and for akicad q, why do you have some things with the <> or > olive coloured "ports" I guess? butt others you just have named nets, like PA5_s4 and stuff? 2017-11-17T22:40:32 < karlp> jpa-: ok, good reason. 2017-11-17T22:41:00 < jpa-> ports go to different hierarchical sheets, the named nets go to other parts on the same sheet (cropped out there) 2017-11-17T22:41:30 < karlp> does kicad require that for heirarchical sheets? or is just a style you've gott tto hjelp indicatte that it goes off sheet? 2017-11-17T22:41:45 < jpa-> kicad requires 2017-11-17T22:42:41 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-17T22:42:42 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-17T22:43:08 < jpa-> it's a bit annoying how the net names go above net, but hierarchical ports go centered 2017-11-17T22:46:04 < kakimir> anyone have movie recommds? 2017-11-17T22:47:08 < karlp> yeah, I was noticing that quirk :) 2017-11-17T22:47:21 * karlp is firing up kicad again tonight. feeling fresh and motivated for a friday night, somehow 2017-11-17T23:02:42 < ohsix> lul i get a bit of work from someone in town for smd rework 2017-11-17T23:02:55 < ohsix> hadn't heard from them in a while, today they asked me to solder some wires to an arduino thing 2017-11-17T23:03:08 < ohsix> i was under the impression that they had _some_ soldering stuff, just not the stuff for smd rework 2017-11-17T23:11:15 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T23:11:20 < stvn> bullshit bullshitt 2017-11-17T23:12:49 < englishman> stvn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZXzMDKEwqI 2017-11-17T23:13:09 < stvn> hi friend 2017-11-17T23:13:27 < stvn> snowdong? 2017-11-17T23:13:52 < englishman> ☃️ 2017-11-17T23:14:12 < stvn> hi sir 2017-11-17T23:17:25 < stvn> l0de'n today? 2017-11-17T23:18:03 < englishman> who 2017-11-17T23:20:07 < stvn> some pot smoking hippy 2017-11-17T23:21:36 < stvn> bullshit a bullshitt 2017-11-17T23:23:55 < Cracki> why are those chinese PCB options with leaded HASL so damn cheap? 10pcs 4x4 inch is 5 bucks! 2017-11-17T23:24:05 < Cracki> do they want to sell of their leaded solder like this? 2017-11-17T23:24:43 < stvn> no depleted uranium mate 2017-11-17T23:25:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-52e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-17T23:26:26 < Cracki> *headscratch* what? I remember from physics class that Pb is either a product or a factor in nuclear fission 2017-11-17T23:27:35 < ohsix> everything is 2017-11-17T23:28:53 < Cracki> obvs 2017-11-17T23:29:06 < Cracki> but in whatever is commonly done for power generation 2017-11-17T23:29:21 < Cracki> or was it that Pb can't be split with any energy gain... 2017-11-17T23:33:53 < karlp> englishman: noice. GLC yah 2017-11-17T23:35:16 < ohsix> h3h at literally every indicator of relative machine speed 2017-11-17T23:35:26 < Steffanx> stvn is alive on saturday :o 2017-11-17T23:35:37 < stvn> can i buy a nuclear reactor off bang good? 2017-11-17T23:35:40 < ohsix> running perf record on the pi to see wtf dnf is doing that's so slow; and somehow it's recording 10 times the information the same job takes on my laptop 2017-11-17T23:36:57 < ohsix> https://i.imgur.com/tgQOeMq.png 2017-11-17T23:37:16 < ohsix> that's a lot of events 2017-11-17T23:37:23 < stvn> good morning steffan 2017-11-17T23:37:37 < ohsix> would be funny if the tracing stuff on the pi or on arm was better than x86 2017-11-17T23:38:14 < englishman> beep andrew 2017-11-17T23:38:20 < englishman> is there *any* good accounting soft 2017-11-17T23:38:23 < stvn> beep 2017-11-17T23:38:31 < stvn> yeah niggerbooks 2017-11-17T23:38:32 < englishman> i feel like i'm doing basic bitch shit and every soft is failing hard 2017-11-17T23:38:36 < stvn> i mean quickbooks 2017-11-17T23:38:41 < ohsix> gnucash 2017-11-17T23:38:44 < englishman> trying that now 2017-11-17T23:38:55 < englishman> $40/month and you cannot rename your tax groups 2017-11-17T23:39:14 < ohsix> there's a fairly serious one that's out and does lots of stuff, but i expect that it will be on confusing feature parity with quickbooks and shit 2017-11-17T23:39:30 < englishman> tried sage one but it doesnt support foreign currency bank accounts 2017-11-17T23:39:46 < ohsix> foreign or just non-primary 2017-11-17T23:40:04 < ohsix> hm 2017-11-17T23:40:50 < ohsix> lul shit i should probably have been using gnucash for invoice tracking 2017-11-17T23:41:07 < ohsix> englishman: it does multiple currencies hehe 2017-11-17T23:43:56 < ohsix> AHH erp was the stuff i was thinking of, that also includes accounting 2017-11-17T23:45:03 < ohsix> others in fedora package repos http://homebank.free.fr/en/ http://ledger-cli.org/ 2017-11-17T23:45:11 < ohsix> rest are ERP and only some of the erp packages do accounting 2017-11-17T23:45:45 < ohsix> Ledger is 100% currency-agnostic. You can store multiple currencies in any account, convert between them, or even pay in one currency and receive change in another. 2017-11-17T23:48:14 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Eq0VIFk.png 2017-11-17T23:48:26 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/l4Z16dZ.png 2017-11-17T23:48:28 < englishman> niggers 2017-11-17T23:48:29 < englishman> fuck 2017-11-17T23:48:50 < ohsix> hrm there's a bunch of them http://furius.ca/beancount/ 2017-11-17T23:49:16 < stvn> methematics 2017-11-17T23:49:20 < ohsix> lul there's an episode of adam ruins everything about taxes 2017-11-17T23:49:58 < karlp> jpa-: I'm running kicad 4.0.6, so only one . behind latest, am I meant to be going and installing all these .pretty repos locally or something? I feel like there's shitttons of footprints that aren't available to me 2017-11-17T23:50:06 < ohsix> it's one of those areas where lobbyists are there mostly to fuck shit up and make stuff hard to make their services relevant 2017-11-17T23:51:57 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_accounting_software#Free_and_open_source_software so much for propriety being a source of invention AMIRITE 2017-11-17T23:52:06 < karlp> the foottprintt assigner is... odd --- Day changed Sat Nov 18 2017 2017-11-18T00:10:05 < stvn> kicad is greaat 2017-11-18T00:21:17 < englishman> lol SAP uses flash 2017-11-18T00:21:37 < stvn> wut is sap 2017-11-18T00:21:57 < englishman> more pro accounting soft 2017-11-18T00:22:06 < stvn> some kind of niggery 2017-11-18T00:22:29 < stvn> why is pro software so shit 2017-11-18T00:24:00 < zyp> because people are making it to get paid for it, not to actually use it 2017-11-18T00:24:25 < stvn> sounds about right 2017-11-18T00:24:26 < englishman> i cannot believe the absolute faggotry in this $40/month soft 2017-11-18T00:24:41 < englishman> the online one does tax totally different from the desktop one too 2017-11-18T00:25:48 < stvn> of course 2017-11-18T00:26:05 < zyp> when people talk about taxes, you make it sound like a big ordeal 2017-11-18T00:26:11 < englishman> it isn't 2017-11-18T00:26:14 < englishman> it's fucking easy 2017-11-18T00:26:18 < zyp> yeah? 2017-11-18T00:26:35 < englishman> this soft makes it nontrivial 2017-11-18T00:26:39 < stvn> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1218272/?reload=true 2017-11-18T00:26:41 < zyp> haha 2017-11-18T00:26:51 < stvn> the software 2017-11-18T00:26:55 < englishman> yeah super easy, especially sales tax 2017-11-18T00:26:56 < stvn> is infected with ice bugs 2017-11-18T00:27:40 < zyp> this is company tax? 2017-11-18T00:27:44 < englishman> yeah 2017-11-18T00:28:15 < zyp> makes sense, company tax we even have to do something about here in norway 2017-11-18T00:28:33 < englishman> this shitty quickbooks soft does not let you modify/rename/delete tax groups after you create them 2017-11-18T00:28:43 < zyp> haha 2017-11-18T00:28:46 < englishman> seriously 2017-11-18T00:29:01 < englishman> $40/month 2017-11-18T00:29:18 < englishman> plus the name of the tax group appears on POs 2017-11-18T00:29:36 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-18T00:29:36 < sync> lel 2017-11-18T00:29:41 < jadew> why are you using that one? 2017-11-18T00:30:11 < englishman> so now because i have a bunch of nonworking tax groups i can no longer modify or rename, i have to see TAXCODE (ITCs/ maybethisoneworksIDONO!!!) on every line of every PO and invoice 2017-11-18T00:30:46 < zyp> awesome 2017-11-18T00:31:00 < englishman> the other one i tried was sageone jadew 2017-11-18T00:31:06 < englishman> but it does not support foreign currency bank accounts 2017-11-18T00:31:16 < englishman> another "gotcha" 2017-11-18T00:31:34 < karlp> never meant anyone happy with their accountancyh software 2017-11-18T00:31:50 < karlp> just people at various stages of, "I know how to work around it enough to make it through my day" 2017-11-18T00:32:12 < jadew> and it's $40/mo? 2017-11-18T00:32:17 < englishman> yes 2017-11-18T00:32:18 < jadew> why is there no competition? 2017-11-18T00:32:25 < zyp> the accounting stuff I use for my business is decent enough 2017-11-18T00:32:52 < zyp> except the company got bought up and the product cancelled, and now they want me over on another product 2017-11-18T00:33:08 < englishman> just found Zoho 2017-11-18T00:33:10 < englishman> will try that 2017-11-18T00:33:29 < Cracki> lol they removed hitler quotes from freebsd fortune https://twitter.com/Sh1bumi/status/931563255222407168 2017-11-18T00:33:46 < Cracki> (and later, removed all quotes, leaving nothing of humor) 2017-11-18T00:34:57 < zyp> hmm, the thing I'm using is $24/mo, but paid annually 2017-11-18T00:36:39 < zyp> it's kinda overkill, because all I'm getting out of it are two numbers for my tax report: total income, total expenses 2017-11-18T00:36:55 < englishman> personal business? 2017-11-18T00:36:57 < englishman> or Inc. 2017-11-18T00:37:00 < zyp> personal 2017-11-18T00:37:04 < englishman> personal business was wayyy easier 2017-11-18T00:37:08 < englishman> yeah same 2017-11-18T00:37:10 < englishman> just needed those 2017-11-18T00:37:19 < zyp> yeah, I'm not even over the limit for being subject to VAT 2017-11-18T00:37:19 < englishman> with Inc. there are 200+ lines 2017-11-18T00:37:39 < englishman> which is to my benefit really as things like manufacturing are taxed way lower 2017-11-18T00:37:52 < englishman> and i can claim all these ITCs 2017-11-18T00:38:00 < zyp> so I just report income and expenses, and the difference gets folded directly into my personal income tax 2017-11-18T00:38:53 < zyp> only reason I'm paying for an accounting system at all is because then I don't have to worry about whether I'm compliant with record keeping regulations 2017-11-18T00:39:14 < zyp> in case tax authority ends up wanting to audit me 2017-11-18T00:39:50 < zyp> which they very well could 2017-11-18T00:40:09 < zyp> last year I reported zero income and $2600 in expenses :p 2017-11-18T00:40:36 < zyp> I figure that could raise some flags 2017-11-18T00:41:27 < sync> I just used an excel sheet 2017-11-18T00:41:55 < sync> but yeah it sucked 2017-11-18T00:41:57 < jadew> I have an accountant 2017-11-18T00:42:08 < zyp> I sent no invoices last year, most of the expenses were for a project that got delivered in february this year 2017-11-18T00:42:19 < zyp> so the income comes this year 2017-11-18T00:42:29 < jadew> my company is also on - 2017-11-18T00:42:38 < jadew> the accountant being a big part of that minus 2017-11-18T00:42:43 < zyp> haha 2017-11-18T00:42:53 < zyp> paying an accountant doesn't seem worth it 2017-11-18T00:43:08 < jadew> well, he costs the same as your programs 2017-11-18T00:43:18 < jadew> about 25-30/mo 2017-11-18T00:43:47 < zyp> pretty sure an accountant in norway would cost more 2017-11-18T00:44:09 < englishman> im about to skeet all over quickbooks 2017-11-18T00:44:14 < jadew> that's the starting price, when you have very little activity (or none, like in my case) 2017-11-18T00:44:17 < englishman> zoho is gr8 so far 2017-11-18T00:48:26 < invzim> I would like a good online accouting system for .NO 2017-11-18T00:49:03 < zyp> invzim, I'm being pushed to tripletex 2017-11-18T00:49:08 < invzim> looked at fiken.no, but seemed very meh when most activity would be to/from abroad 2017-11-18T00:51:27 < invzim> all accounting software sucks 2017-11-18T00:51:33 < invzim> that I've used 2017-11-18T00:52:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-18T00:53:40 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-18T00:55:29 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-31-109.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T01:14:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrR1TGQY20Y night music times 2017-11-18T01:17:54 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-18T01:41:17 < englishman> yep sticking with zoho 2017-11-18T01:44:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-52e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-18T01:49:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T01:54:46 < Laurenceb_> weaponised autism 2017-11-18T01:54:46 < englishman> we're all just a bunch of wires behind the crt of reality 2017-11-18T01:55:48 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/editorials/icons/original/000/000/223/.png 2017-11-18T01:57:33 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOxXHiBUEAAmO6e.jpg 2017-11-18T01:57:39 < Laurenceb_> m y s i d e s 2017-11-18T02:01:12 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:28f8:98b3:6547:476d:5f6d] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T02:02:22 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOotBJTWsAAVzBh.jpg 2017-11-18T02:05:43 < Laurenceb_> because Russia 2017-11-18T02:05:46 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOmJghqXcAAlJ7L.jpg 2017-11-18T02:06:32 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-18T02:06:36 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!*@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] by englishman 2017-11-18T02:06:36 -!- Laurenceb_ was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [Laurenceb_] 2017-11-18T02:06:43 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-18T02:08:30 < kakimir> good kick 2017-11-18T02:29:55 -!- Guest64365 is now known as fujin 2017-11-18T02:48:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T02:51:12 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T02:52:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T03:05:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit 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I'm looking for a man that.." 2017-11-18T03:12:03 < kakimir> "I saw your profile" 2017-11-18T03:12:37 < kakimir> I wonder if there actually is some profile out there with someone just using my email address to 2017-11-18T03:12:49 < kakimir> it happens all the time 2017-11-18T03:13:36 < kakimir> but generic names and all the same texts 2017-11-18T03:13:55 < kakimir> I wonder if google is doing AI research inside google talk 2017-11-18T03:16:41 < kakimir> Cracki: I get pretty much 0 of those Hey messages 2017-11-18T03:17:24 < Cracki> got a kik account, get them there sometimes. name is hardly guessable, so not sure where they crawl that from. 2017-11-18T03:18:07 < Cracki> I'd troll for marks on facebook, it IS the largest social medium these days. 2017-11-18T03:18:15 < Cracki> but they're also not stupid about bots and shit. 2017-11-18T03:18:31 < Cracki> upgrdman, banana for scale? 2017-11-18T03:18:38 < upgrdman> yes 2017-11-18T03:18:56 < Cracki> I prefer wiener for scale 2017-11-18T03:19:06 < Cracki> or schnitzel 2017-11-18T03:19:37 < kakimir> I wonder if there ever is person behind these 2017-11-18T03:19:43 < kakimir> doing manual labour 2017-11-18T03:20:27 < kakimir> I answered to the robocunt 2017-11-18T03:22:51 < kakimir> I silenced it with just 2 messages 2017-11-18T03:24:37 < kakimir> no 2017-11-18T03:28:49 < kakimir> it's actual person answering 2017-11-18T03:31:02 < kakimir> hey this is fun 2017-11-18T03:31:07 < Cracki> ask for shoe on head 2017-11-18T03:31:10 < Cracki> or sharpie in pooper 2017-11-18T03:31:30 < kakimir> I'm making it really hard for him/her 2017-11-18T03:33:44 < kakimir> jesus someone is doing this for a penny with his/her bad english 2017-11-18T03:39:09 < kakimir> definitelly not native english speaker 2017-11-18T03:55:28 < Cracki> india 2017-11-18T03:56:07 < Cracki> not sure africa is there yet, but the chinese are busily building infrastructure 2017-11-18T03:57:14 < Cracki> I'm sure they'll hold onto it better than those white farmers do 2017-11-18T04:11:47 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-18T04:12:31 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T04:21:01 < kakimir> conversation had similarities with ones I have with chinese ebay sellers 2017-11-18T04:23:39 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T04:23:58 < kakimir> i told her to remove me from their email lists 2017-11-18T04:25:35 < kakimir> and not to waste time with me 2017-11-18T04:27:21 < kakimir> I'm decent human being so I didn't harrass her 2017-11-18T04:34:43 < Cracki> hrhr 2017-11-18T04:39:35 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-18T05:09:35 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-18T05:10:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-18T05:34:54 < Cracki> que 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2017-11-18T07:45:24 < jpa-> karlp: i honestly have no idea, i think the .pretty stuff is working quite ugly in stable currently 2017-11-18T07:45:53 < jpa-> karlp: i just copy the footprints that are missing from stable individually from github to my project library 2017-11-18T07:55:07 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T07:58:24 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T07:58:24 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-18T07:58:56 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@193.138.219.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T08:03:44 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-18T08:04:04 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T08:04:08 < dongs> hm what teh shit 2017-11-18T08:04:13 < dongs> china ran out of F042 2017-11-18T08:05:16 < dongs> WTF 2017-11-18T08:05:19 < dongs> is digishit ssearch busted 2017-11-18T08:08:51 < jpa-> i bought them all 2017-11-18T08:09:12 < jpa-> then i figured out f072 is better and costs the same 2017-11-18T08:11:14 < Cracki> better in which params? 2017-11-18T08:11:57 < jpa-> more ram, and a few more periph 2017-11-18T08:16:48 < dongs> jpa, does 072 come in qfn32 2017-11-18T08:17:13 < jpa-> no, and that annoys me also 2017-11-18T08:17:29 < jpa-> (well i'd like tqfp48 but anyway) 2017-11-18T08:18:06 < dongs> o well looks like verical has some 2017-11-18T08:18:21 < dongs> why the fuck does qube have a choice of UFQFPN32 and same thing (5x5mm) 2017-11-18T08:18:24 < dongs> both are 5x5mm.. 2017-11-18T08:19:37 < dongs> hm 052 should also work? 2017-11-18T08:19:45 < dongs> oh its L 2017-11-18T08:19:45 < dongs> never min 2017-11-18T08:19:50 < dongs> probly completley different pinout 2017-11-18T08:20:15 < dongs> yep only 042 is USB +TSC 2017-11-18T08:20:17 < dongs> oh well verical it is 2017-11-18T08:24:06 < dongs> they still take paypal, nice 2017-11-18T08:25:58 -!- tavish 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could do from an ssh client to keep the connection alive like the server optino to do it does 2017-11-18T10:20:30 < ohsix> usb_modeswitch -v 10C4 -p EA60 -R 2017-11-18T10:21:08 < ohsix> R is 'reset when done', but it lets you do no operation 2017-11-18T10:21:23 < ohsix> hm doing it the second time killed the pi 2017-11-18T10:24:44 < PaulFertser> I once tried to fully understand the capabilities that rpi has regarding powering its usb ports. What a mess! Apparently they can be controlled but in a weird way, and somehow it leads to instability after N cycles. So better use a proper external hub, heh. 2017-11-18T10:27:05 < ohsix> it has worse problems than that, it suxbad 2017-11-18T10:43:09 < PaulFertser> In what area? 2017-11-18T10:44:30 -!- Cyric [~quassel@unaffiliated/cyric] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-18T10:45:48 < PaulFertser> The relevant thread btw, might be useful to all you rpi "tinkerers" here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=93463 2017-11-18T10:49:44 < PaulFertser> An example of rpi fail: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2228 DWC OTG controller strikes back 2017-11-18T10:54:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T10:55:14 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T11:20:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-18T11:22:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T11:26:55 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T11:26:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-18T11:28:17 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a1b3:b49a:9497:9937] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T11:50:16 < dongs> that looks like lunix failure more than anything 2017-11-18T11:56:35 < dongs> https://youtu.be/j3XpfBChLyk?t=215 attn zyp 2017-11-18T12:18:48 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a1b3:b49a:9497:9937] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-18T12:20:44 < Thorn> RIP Australia https://medium.com/@matt_11659/matt-barrie-australias-economy-is-a-house-of-cards-6877adb3fb2f 2017-11-18T12:29:56 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@ip-37-201-5-25.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T12:33:18 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-29b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-18T12:35:16 < Steffanx> [Insert Country here] Economy is a House of Cards (??) 2017-11-18T12:38:28 < Steffanx> I bet 99.9% of what mongolia currently exports to china is coal. I just read there is a 130km traffic jam to China because so many truckers on the way from mongolia to china. 2017-11-18T12:38:37 < Steffanx> 2017-11-18T12:49:51 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T12:49:51 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.124.23.45] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-18T12:49:51 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T13:09:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: mentor graphics professionals were supposed to write a proper linux driver for their dwc "IP core". 2017-11-18T13:13:14 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, how to control power on USB ports on windows? 2017-11-18T13:14:56 < Steffanx> Lol. "Windows doesnt need that. Because it great et all) 2017-11-18T13:15:36 < dongs> basically waht Steffanx said 2017-11-18T13:15:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2017-11-18T13:15:43 < dongs> why the fuck would anyone want to "control power on usb ports" 2017-11-18T13:15:49 < dongs> besides, only ilke 1% of hubs actually suport this 2017-11-18T13:15:59 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T13:16:00 < dongs> and allow actually turning off power, the rest just leave those power gang control pins unconnected 2017-11-18T13:16:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: to power-cycle a usb peripheral of course. A legit usecase imho. 2017-11-18T13:16:15 < dongs> no shit, b ut good luck finding a hub that actally does this 2017-11-18T13:16:25 < dongs> i have yet to see one that wasnt some industrial shit that was $$$ 2017-11-18T13:16:59 < PaulFertser> With your skills you can easily build one yourself, as most usb hub ICs actually support that. 2017-11-18T13:17:10 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/thinpaltryadder buttcoin miner detected 2017-11-18T13:17:16 < dongs> PaulFertser: that was my point 2017-11-18T13:17:29 < dongs> hubs support it, actual hw implementation never does 2017-11-18T13:17:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: ok, and after having built such a hub, how would you control it from windows? 2017-11-18T13:18:02 < PaulFertser> Or would you rather embed a dedicated microcontroller with custom hid protocol to do that? 2017-11-18T13:19:02 < dongs> ive seen shit to do it before, but im not gonna waste my time looking for it now 2017-11-18T13:19:54 < PaulFertser> Ok 2017-11-18T13:20:15 < PaulFertser> btw, what's your SBC of choice? 2017-11-18T13:20:28 < dongs> not anything running lunix, thats for sure 2017-11-18T13:21:22 < PaulFertser> Hence I'm asking 2017-11-18T13:21:57 < dongs> ugh 2017-11-18T13:22:01 < dongs> my 8700 hasnt shipped yet 2017-11-18T13:26:30 < sync> ah interesting dongs 2017-11-18T13:29:18 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9EFD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T13:32:01 < dongs> sync, sup 2017-11-18T13:32:03 < dongs> that liquid shit? 2017-11-18T13:32:32 < sync> yes 2017-11-18T13:33:45 < dongs> gamer garbage, no doubt 2017-11-18T13:41:06 < sync> doesn't have to be, but yeah 2017-11-18T13:43:40 < sync> wtf 2017-11-18T13:46:19 < sync> probably expensive as fuck that liquid 2017-11-18T13:50:20 < zyp> http://usmclife.com/2017/11/graphic-navy-admits-pilots-responsible-obscene-skywriting/ 2017-11-18T13:52:03 -!- tavish_ [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T13:55:45 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 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dongs> for pro altium 2017-11-18T17:22:30 < dongs> or should I just bind my mxanywhere2 to desktop 2017-11-18T17:42:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T17:54:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-18T17:54:06 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T17:54:43 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T17:54:57 < jadew> damn monitor broke the day after black friday 2017-11-18T17:55:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T17:55:35 < dongs> time to upgrade to 24" 4K 2017-11-18T17:55:37 < jadew> and yesterday I was browsing those monitors on sale and was thinking that it's a good deal, but "nah, don't need another one" 2017-11-18T17:55:57 < jadew> dongs, not yet, I fixed it 2017-11-18T17:56:16 < jadew> next time it breaks, I'll get a new one 2017-11-18T17:56:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has quit 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'thumb' buttons are hard to reach 2017-11-18T18:30:37 < invzim> takes a lot of getting used to 2017-11-18T18:31:04 < invzim> hm no, change layer is one of the thumb buttons+normal scroll wheel 2017-11-18T18:31:12 < invzim> don't think I managed to use the side-scroll for anything 2017-11-18T18:31:35 < dongs> i just have the buttons mapped to - + 2017-11-18T18:31:41 < dongs> which switches layers 2017-11-18T18:31:46 < dongs> how would that work with scroll? 2017-11-18T18:32:29 < aandrew> word #stm32 2017-11-18T18:33:29 < aandrew> I never went big on superconfiguration of my workstation 2017-11-18T18:33:34 < aandrew> no special hotkeys, etc. 2017-11-18T18:34:04 < invzim> thumb 1=CTRL+SHIFT, thumb2=backspace, top button P, wheel button enter 2017-11-18T18:34:13 < aandrew> the only thing I do do on my mac laptop is run slate and have ctrl-alt-option [ and ] grab the current window and maximize it on monitor 1 or 2 2017-11-18T18:34:41 < aandrew> for altium specifically it's all keyboard accelerators 2017-11-18T18:34:53 < aandrew> pv, ems, pt, etc 2017-11-18T18:35:25 < aandrew> I do wish there were better keys mapped for layer changes, + and - are far away, keyboardically-speaking 2017-11-18T18:36:12 < invzim> thus the binding on the mx master :) 2017-11-18T18:36:22 < invzim> no control+shift 2017-11-18T18:36:48 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T18:37:01 < karlp> dongs: so, was there ever any SBC you'd use? 2017-11-18T18:40:04 < invzim> he, now this is something I'm not used to from tool-soup hell, installed quartus 17.1 - it updated megawizard stuff, compiled faster than before and everything just workd \o/ 2017-11-18T18:40:07 < invzim> from 13.1 2017-11-18T18:41:56 < branjb> anyone ever done a stencil on a cnc router? 2017-11-18T18:43:57 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T18:45:21 < dongs> no, we're not autistic fucks 2017-11-18T18:46:05 < branjb> well 2017-11-18T18:46:24 < branjb> i need one, have a cnc router, and thanksgiving is fucking the mail 2017-11-18T18:46:37 < branjb> dunno how shitty it would turn out 2017-11-18T18:47:13 < fest> I use lasercutter at local hackerspace for one-off stencils 2017-11-18T18:47:36 < fest> engraved craft paper (a bit thicker than regular, plastic-y feel) 2017-11-18T18:47:41 < branjb> lol local hackerspace shut down 3 days ago http://www.azfamily.com/story/36855896/techshop-suddenly-shuts-down-in-chandler 2017-11-18T18:48:21 < Rickta59> why funny? 2017-11-18T18:48:34 < branjb> because 4 days ago i would have no issue getting a stencil 2017-11-18T18:48:37 < branjb> for above reason 2017-11-18T18:48:40 < Rickta59> ah 2017-11-18T18:49:00 < branjb> but once again procrastination pays off 2017-11-18T18:50:54 < sync> "suddenly" 2017-11-18T18:51:25 < Rickta59> i wonder if they had a special last week on memberships 2017-11-18T18:51:58 < branjb> the chandler one was pretty legit 2017-11-18T18:52:01 < branjb> they had 5 axis CNC 2017-11-18T18:52:05 < branjb> and waterjet 2017-11-18T18:52:40 < Rickta59> there was one 3 hrs from me, I went and checked it out, had I lived closer I would have joined 2017-11-18T18:53:00 < Rickta59> they shut down a couple of years ago I think 2017-11-18T18:53:23 < branjb> it's a terrible business model 2017-11-18T18:53:52 < Rickta59> yeah I though I could do one of those and then just did some napkin numbers and said .. this is never going to work 2017-11-18T18:54:34 < branjb> better to just buy shit and put it in your garage 2017-11-18T18:54:37 < branjb> then don't have to share 2017-11-18T18:54:40 < branjb> and doesn't go bankrupt 2017-11-18T18:55:17 < Rickta59> so i guess you will run down to the local laser shop and buy one? :) 2017-11-18T18:55:50 < branjb> i don't do enough laser shit to justify it 2017-11-18T19:08:05 < dongs> good thing make:r spaces are dying 2017-11-18T19:08:06 < jadew> lol @ branjb's link: "It’s completely devastating. Literally, people are crying," said member David Kern who estimates at least 500 people are affected. 2017-11-18T19:08:09 < dongs> fucking waste of space 2017-11-18T19:08:12 < jadew> what was so important about that hacker space? 2017-11-18T19:08:20 < dongs> it was full of hipster faggots 2017-11-18T19:08:30 < dongs> who , if left unchecked, would produce juicero 2.0 2017-11-18T19:08:45 < dongs> amirite or amirite 2017-11-18T19:09:51 < jadew> the idea of shared devices doesn't sound bad tho, like if you could get together with some people to buy a decent CNC, laser cutter, etc, that wouldn't be a bad deal 2017-11-18T19:10:05 < jadew> but not having it open to everyone, just for those who pitched in 2017-11-18T19:12:45 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T19:19:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-18T19:19:12 < invzim> meh, my virtualbox/openocd/stlinkv2 clone combo is not fantastic 2017-11-18T19:19:26 < invzim> Error: jtag status contains invalid mode value - communication failure 2017-11-18T19:19:26 < invzim> Polling target stm32f4x.cpu failed, trying to reexamine 2017-11-18T19:19:57 < invzim> anything that just works? segger/bmp/other? 2017-11-18T19:19:58 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5f598d36.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2017-11-18T19:20:56 < upgrdman> typical jap tv show https://i.imgur.com/6M3Zx39.gifv 2017-11-18T19:23:22 < BrainDamage> what is the bar gauge supposed to measure, the audience's discomfort with the practice? 2017-11-18T19:23:59 < Steffanx> invzim: why a vm? 2017-11-18T19:24:48 < invzim> because toolsoups suck 2017-11-18T19:25:34 < invzim> I hate setting up eclipse/compilers/whatnot, they mess with the 'core' os so I like to keep it contained 2017-11-18T19:25:56 < invzim> + in the case of switching computers, I don't want to go through the exercise of getting things working again 2017-11-18T19:26:11 < Steffanx> Mess with the core.. ok 2017-11-18T19:27:37 < invzim> for arm, seems debian/ubuntu is the path of least resistance - so that's what I use for that 2017-11-18T19:27:45 < invzim> for altera, centos 2017-11-18T19:31:24 < Steffanx> Where is windows? Only ##stm32 approved os.. 2017-11-18T19:35:31 < aandrew> reactos is the only stm32 approved os 2017-11-18T19:37:23 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b4350d2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T19:37:38 < aandrew> I really like the idea of hackerspaces. the one local to me (kwartzlab) is pretty decent, but what stops me from joining is both lack of time but also the environment around hackerspaces. Like dongs said: mostly hipsters and people who like to be social about their hobbies 2017-11-18T19:38:52 < aandrew> I build out my own lab because if I want to go work at 3am I can go there and not have to worry about some gumby who wants to chat. "oh hey, whatre you building? oh yeah that's cool, why are you building it that way? my cousin's stepsister's husband drove truck for 30 years and he knows all about 45 degree welds using tungsten. I should hook you guys up, you'd like him. real nice guy" 2017-11-18T19:38:53 < zyp> yeah? isn't the social part the point? 2017-11-18T19:39:09 < Steffanx> You mean TempleOS aandrew 2017-11-18T19:39:18 < aandrew> oh fuck yes I meant templeos 2017-11-18T19:40:16 < aandrew> the social part is exactly what i don't want. if I want to go take a class on using a piece of equipment, ok, great. sign me up, I'll be social for that. but then I want to work without chatter 2017-11-18T19:40:26 < Steffanx> Lol, sounds like you and ohsix would get along 2017-11-18T19:40:30 < Steffanx> *not* 2017-11-18T19:41:52 < zyp> so what part of the idea is it that you like then? 2017-11-18T19:41:59 < aandrew> I can stand ohsix here, as long as he's not asking for praise about his drawbot UI 2017-11-18T19:42:29 < Steffanx> that is rob235 lolz 2017-11-18T19:42:33 < aandrew> zyp: having the equipment, properly maintained in one space. having documentation on procedures and so on. having industrial space leased etc 2017-11-18T19:42:42 < aandrew> oh I get all our autists mixed up 2017-11-18T19:42:51 < zyp> sounds like you'd like the one nearby here then 2017-11-18T19:42:52 < Steffanx> i blame your age 2017-11-18T19:43:07 < aandrew> I am getting up there 2017-11-18T19:43:23 < zyp> there's a hackerspace in the neighboring city, but it sounds more like a workshop for rent and less of a social hangout 2017-11-18T19:43:36 < zyp> fairly expensive though 2017-11-18T19:43:54 < zyp> I've never been there, doesn't sound much interesting to me 2017-11-18T19:44:07 < Steffanx> All you need is ##stm32 2017-11-18T19:44:13 < aandrew> meh I'm getting there on my own 2017-11-18T19:44:13 < BrainDamage> do you guys have the same social etiquette of finnish people with the 2m personal space? if so, i guess that'd help 2017-11-18T19:44:25 < zyp> haha 2017-11-18T19:44:57 < zyp> speaking of finnish people, jpa- took me to his hackerspace when I visited, seemed nice 2017-11-18T19:45:05 < jpa-> aandrew: yeah, you want a techshop style thing then 2017-11-18T19:45:15 < aandrew> got the welder and the mill, got a prusia i2 or whatever 3d printer that I just have to finish up. got all the electronics shit of course. I need to build some workbenches and get a little lathe, and then dick around with CNCing the mill 2017-11-18T19:45:27 < jpa-> if the hackerspaces around here are representative, "well maintained, documentation on procedures" etc. doesn't apply :P 2017-11-18T19:45:39 < aandrew> BrainDamage: haha 2017-11-18T19:46:20 < aandrew> I guess it's the same thing about ham radio when i was a kid. lots of guys hanging around chatting which is fun and all, but you can't get anything done and if I'm just hanging around I would rather do it online here so I can still work 2017-11-18T19:46:31 < aandrew> it's easy and not even rude to come in and drop out of social contexts online 2017-11-18T19:46:33 < jpa-> https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/arKOZBK_700b.jpg yeah, this is how it works 2017-11-18T19:47:32 < jpa-> though atleast here if you want a quiet moment at the space, just go there outside the twice-a-week gatherings and it is pretty much empty, or if there is someone else there they also want to do their own thing 2017-11-18T19:47:46 < zyp> https://pics.me.me/in-norway-we-have-this-thing-called-personal-space-19260420.png 2017-11-18T19:48:07 < aandrew> yeah I might be overstating the numpties at hackerspaces, but I don't want to pay my dues and look forward to it and end up disappointed 2017-11-18T19:48:38 < jpa-> what cost is there to trying it out? 2017-11-18T19:49:21 < fest> jpa-: like this: https://imgur.com/a/Vplbj ? 2017-11-18T19:50:02 < jpa-> fest: not that bad, but we have atleast 3 3d-printers and none of them work :P 2017-11-18T19:50:28 < fest> (somebody had a week long last-minute build for exhibition) 2017-11-18T19:51:13 < fest> jpa-: hehe, for the last two years we had 4, of which two were mostly working 2017-11-18T19:51:59 < jpa-> we had 4 also but a few months back they decided to disassemble the least-likely-to-ever-work for parts :P 2017-11-18T19:55:56 < aandrew> my local library has 3d printers available. I think I'd rather use those 2017-11-18T19:57:06 < branjb> jadew: that's exactly it, that hackrspace was full of unemployed people with macbooks who would come in as soon as it opened at 6am and stay till it closed at midnight, mostly just sitting around taking up space 2017-11-18T19:57:25 < zyp> haha 2017-11-18T19:58:13 < jadew> branjb, just finished reading what you guys were talking about 2017-11-18T19:58:35 < jadew> branjb, yeah, it's not something I'd enjoy 2017-11-18T19:58:43 < jadew> I'd like something that's more of a time share thing 2017-11-18T19:59:12 < jadew> so if you want to work for a day straight on the CNC, you can do that 2017-11-18T19:59:22 < sync> aandrew: yeah same here, but if you don't show up on the open days or the friday it is basically empty 2017-11-18T20:00:27 < jadew> I wonder if there's anything like that here 2017-11-18T20:02:13 < jadew> http://www.nodmakerspace.ro/ 2017-11-18T20:02:52 < jadew> hipsterish indeed 2017-11-18T20:05:00 < jpa-> wow a lightbulb 2017-11-18T20:05:22 < jadew> yeah... 2017-11-18T20:05:45 < PaulFertser> Zero real hackspaces in moscow. 2017-11-18T20:06:03 < jadew> there's one close to me, but it's aimed at kids 2017-11-18T20:07:22 < vampirefrog> interesant 2017-11-18T20:07:48 < jadew> vampirefrog, unless they have the shit I need, not really 2017-11-18T20:07:50 < Steffanx> Very interessant. 2017-11-18T20:08:04 < jpa-> *mycket intressant 2017-11-18T20:08:07 < sync> oh, why is that PaulFertser? 2017-11-18T20:08:11 < zyp> veldig interessant 2017-11-18T20:08:28 < Steffanx> Zeer interessant, for me then jpa- :P 2017-11-18T20:08:28 < PaulFertser> sync: because russia sucks 2017-11-18T20:08:55 < jadew> PaulFertser, you must have electronics clubs and crap like that 2017-11-18T20:08:55 < Steffanx> Need more hipsters in russia.. 2017-11-18T20:08:58 < jadew> we used to have them too 2017-11-18T20:09:17 < sync> Матушка Россия would be sad 2017-11-18T20:10:12 < jadew> ah, those guys I linked, they do have a CNC 2017-11-18T20:10:22 < jadew> 1.2m x 1.2m 2017-11-18T20:10:24 < jpa-> https://hacklab.ihme.org/kuvat/ not very hipsterish 2017-11-18T20:10:29 < vampirefrog> we will have a laser and 3d printer at my company soon 2017-11-18T20:10:34 < vampirefrog> we got it with european funding, I think 2017-11-18T20:10:36 < PaulFertser> jadew: I was visiting one ham radio club when I was a schoolboy. It was closed by school principal after a few years. 2017-11-18T20:10:37 < vampirefrog> or was it startupnation 2017-11-18T20:11:27 < jadew> what's startupnation? 2017-11-18T20:11:34 < Steffanx> Got my ikea mirrors today PaulFertser. Time to see if stuff goes better now 2017-11-18T20:11:35 < vampirefrog> funding for companies 2017-11-18T20:11:38 < vampirefrog> for startups 2017-11-18T20:11:43 < jadew> how do you access it? 2017-11-18T20:11:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T20:11:45 < vampirefrog> free money 2017-11-18T20:11:53 < jadew> well, I need to get me some of that 2017-11-18T20:11:55 < vampirefrog> I think you have to apply with a project or something 2017-11-18T20:12:07 < jadew> ah, they want to steal your projects? 2017-11-18T20:12:16 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: cut them to size yet? :) 2017-11-18T20:12:39 < Steffanx> they are close to the perfect size of 31x31cm 2017-11-18T20:12:49 < PaulFertser> Hehe, nice 2017-11-18T20:12:51 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: the mirrors are 30x30cm. 2017-11-18T20:12:58 < vampirefrog> just come up with an idea jadew 2017-11-18T20:13:04 < vampirefrog> I think they have some categories 2017-11-18T20:13:13 < vampirefrog> I can't quite find their website though 2017-11-18T20:13:22 < jadew> http://www.aippimm.ro/articol/programe/start-up-nation-2017/start-up-nation-2017/ 2017-11-18T20:13:29 < vampirefrog> possibly 2017-11-18T20:13:30 < jadew> that one has some documents 2017-11-18T20:13:33 < jadew> how much money can you get? 2017-11-18T20:13:51 < vampirefrog> I remember something about 50kEUR 2017-11-18T20:13:56 < vampirefrog> but also something about different tiers 2017-11-18T20:14:01 < sync> it depends 2017-11-18T20:14:14 < jadew> sync, you know about this too? 2017-11-18T20:14:34 < sync> yes, I looked into it but found it not to be worth my time 2017-11-18T20:16:19 < zyp> jpa-, is that a NES controller hooked up to your cnc? 2017-11-18T20:16:32 < jpa-> yeah 2017-11-18T20:16:37 < zyp> haha 2017-11-18T20:17:05 < jpa-> it's just one of the $2 ebay usb joypads :P 2017-11-18T20:23:09 -!- vampirefrog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-18T20:33:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-66-246-241-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T20:42:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@37.250.38.53.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-18T20:54:05 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-18T21:50:54 < englishman> Tyler Larson runs his laser-cutting business, Epic Proportions LLC out of TechShop and had to tell customers he’d have to delay their orders. 2017-11-18T21:50:56 < englishman> lol 2017-11-18T21:51:07 < englishman> so not really a hackerspace 2017-11-18T21:52:12 < englishman> just unsustainable business practices all round 2017-11-18T21:56:12 < sync> lal 2017-11-18T21:59:01 < branjb> lol 2017-11-18T21:59:30 < branjb> englishman the beauty of it is that the machine use is completely free, so he was basically profiting off of equipment he didn't invest in 2017-11-18T22:00:09 < branjb> everything he cut he was basically sticking it to the ~hackerspace~ selling their machine time to his customers 2017-11-18T22:02:29 < englishman> yeh 2017-11-18T22:02:41 < englishman> well if a hackerspace allows blatant commercial exploitation like that 2017-11-18T22:02:58 < englishman> like a little bit is expected 2017-11-18T22:04:47 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p4FF9EFD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-18T22:12:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-66-246-241-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T22:24:30 < kakimir> now I need to build a device 2017-11-18T22:24:49 < kakimir> to turn on power without glitches.. 2017-11-18T22:24:54 < kakimir> I have fungen 2017-11-18T22:25:02 < kakimir> yeah bitz 2017-11-18T22:25:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T22:25:36 < jadew> kakimir, what power? 2017-11-18T22:27:06 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T22:36:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-83-141-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T22:39:13 < branjb> >STEAM related career fields 2017-11-18T22:39:28 < branjb> that A in STEAM is what makes hackerspaces insufferable 2017-11-18T22:39:46 < upgrdman> a == ? 2017-11-18T22:39:48 < upgrdman> art? 2017-11-18T22:39:50 < branjb> yea 2017-11-18T22:39:57 < jadew> ugh 2017-11-18T22:40:05 < branjb> STEAM, one of these letters is not like the other 2017-11-18T22:40:09 < upgrdman> indeed 2017-11-18T22:40:11 < jadew> haha 2017-11-18T22:40:30 < upgrdman> art should be, uh, "separate but equal" ;) 2017-11-18T22:40:48 < branjb> i mean, industrial design has its place 2017-11-18T22:40:56 < branjb> engineers can't design housing and cases for shit 2017-11-18T22:41:29 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/support/resources/product-longevity.html they did add stm8 to the list 2017-11-18T22:41:31 < jadew> yeah, but industrial design can be done at home 2017-11-18T22:41:39 < jadew> you don't need a special place for that 2017-11-18T22:51:45 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-83-141-212.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-18T22:57:15 < jadew> anyone got this? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HANTEK-4032L-Digital-Logic-Analyzer-32CH-200K-400MSa-s-USB-PC-2G-DDR2-400MHz-64M/282384406406 2017-11-18T22:58:47 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T23:00:02 < upgrdman> jadew, i dont, but: the most important part of an LA is the software. that's where cheap ones skimp. try the software BEFORE you buy 2017-11-18T23:00:44 < jadew> I'm not that worried about the software, I can adapt it to my own, but I wonder how fast it is 2017-11-18T23:01:09 < jadew> it seems to have a lot of memory, but if it takes a minute to download it, that's gonna suck 2017-11-18T23:05:01 < jadew> I just need to log a bunch of data on something that can do 30+ channels 2017-11-18T23:05:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T23:05:32 < Laurenceb_> Russians 2017-11-18T23:08:33 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-18T23:09:27 < Laurenceb_> arrrg office 365 2017-11-18T23:09:29 < Laurenceb_> this is cancer 2017-11-18T23:09:38 < Laurenceb_> wont work in any of my browsers 2017-11-18T23:09:44 < Laurenceb_> blank pages 2017-11-18T23:11:08 < Laurenceb_> cancerscript 2017-11-18T23:11:38 < Laurenceb_> wew there is an extension for chrome 2017-11-18T23:12:37 < Laurenceb_> aint nobody installing dat shit 2017-11-18T23:13:13 < Laurenceb_> why cant microsoft shit just work 2017-11-18T23:18:41 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T23:20:58 < capacitor> capacitor replacement 2017-11-18T23:21:02 < capacitor> good morning steffan 2017-11-18T23:22:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T23:22:45 < karlp> are stuff like the new hakko fx888 shits decent soldering irons these days? I've got an old 936 that's perfectly decent, but little bro wants one, not sure what's still good. 2017-11-18T23:23:14 < capacitor> i guess its the equiv of a 936 2017-11-18T23:28:33 < jadew> yeah, it's decent 2017-11-18T23:28:54 < jadew> I have the one with the knob tho 2017-11-18T23:29:03 < jadew> not a fan of the digital ones 2017-11-18T23:30:19 < capacitor> digital ones are annoying 2017-11-18T23:30:29 < capacitor> i had one at a place i worked at 2017-11-18T23:30:47 < capacitor> stupid nigger kept setting the 'cal' instead of changing temp 2017-11-18T23:31:13 < capacitor> so every week i'd have to bring a thermocouple and reset it 2017-11-18T23:31:54 < jadew> I never calibrated mine 2017-11-18T23:32:11 < capacitor> i never did/do until some twit accidentally it 2017-11-18T23:32:34 < capacitor> at my shop i use JBC exclusively, metcal at home 2017-11-18T23:33:36 < kakimir> I think I need to add some ground referencing to my jds6600 2017-11-18T23:33:45 < kakimir> fungen 2017-11-18T23:34:02 < kakimir> terminals have potential difference of 70volts AC to my oscilloscope 2017-11-18T23:34:13 < capacitor> 'banggood' 2017-11-18T23:34:16 < kakimir> why the hell 2017-11-18T23:34:28 < kakimir> what are they thinking with their choise of psu 2017-11-18T23:34:29 < capacitor> cause your mother is a cocksucker from hell 2017-11-18T23:34:40 < kakimir> :D 2017-11-18T23:34:56 < capacitor> the line filter in your smps usually does these things kakimir 2017-11-18T23:35:06 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-18T23:36:46 < kakimir> can I safely ground the fungen to my scope? 2017-11-18T23:36:56 < jadew> yes 2017-11-18T23:37:00 < capacitor> yes 2017-11-18T23:37:17 < capacitor> if you don't believe us, test it with another ground 2017-11-18T23:37:31 < kakimir> I do believe jadew 2017-11-18T23:37:40 < jadew> haha 2017-11-18T23:38:01 < capacitor> it could be crt in disguise, he's a fucking prick 2017-11-18T23:38:04 < kakimir> I wonder how much interference that line noise causes to my circuits being measured 2017-11-18T23:38:10 < jadew> lol 2017-11-18T23:38:38 < kakimir> and if I should fix that grounding issue anyway 2017-11-18T23:38:47 < capacitor> chinese equipment 2017-11-18T23:38:53 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-18T23:39:03 < kakimir> it has done it's job for now 2017-11-18T23:39:10 < jadew> kakimir, if it's floating, you'll always have those kinds of fluctuations 2017-11-18T23:39:11 < kakimir> I just scope with my multimeter 2017-11-18T23:39:20 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-18T23:39:27 < jadew> it shouldn't cause any issue once connected and grounded to your DUT 2017-11-18T23:39:53 < kakimir> currents are really minimal aren't those? 2017-11-18T23:40:22 < capacitor> well 2017-11-18T23:40:26 < capacitor> most likely 2017-11-18T23:40:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-18T23:40:28 < capacitor> but china 2017-11-18T23:40:30 < jadew> yeah, otherwise you'd see sparks when you'd ground it 2017-11-18T23:40:32 < capacitor> :3 2017-11-18T23:40:34 < jadew> but yeah 2017-11-18T23:40:42 < jadew> what capacitor said 2017-11-18T23:40:44 < kakimir> I don't want to see sparks in my scope 2017-11-18T23:40:51 < capacitor> few hundred microamps is what i see at most 2017-11-18T23:41:07 < kakimir> you have chane gear too? 2017-11-18T23:41:21 < capacitor> as/nzs 3760 is what i have to test appliances to 2017-11-18T23:41:50 < capacitor> http://www.pat-testing-expert.com/support/leakage-tests.php 2017-11-18T23:42:18 < jadew> kakimir, do what capacitor said, ground it to something else if you don't trust its PSU 2017-11-18T23:42:40 < jadew> being a sig gen, it should be possible to safely ground it 2017-11-18T23:42:46 < capacitor> i can feel the leakage current on quite a few regular appliances i test 2017-11-18T23:42:48 < jadew> otherwise it wouldn't be a very useful sig gen 2017-11-18T23:43:03 < capacitor> the djm900nxs is a good one, i've had more than one DJ think its going to electrocute them 2017-11-18T23:43:12 < kakimir> is it leakage or just capacitivelly isolated current? 2017-11-18T23:43:36 < capacitor> the main source is the y-cat across the switching transformer 2017-11-18T23:43:37 < jadew> I don't think it's leakage 2017-11-18T23:43:47 < capacitor> y-cap 2017-11-18T23:44:07 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-18T23:44:28 < capacitor> http://i36.tinypic.com/idvewm.jpg 2017-11-18T23:44:40 < jadew> better function generators have the ground semi-floating 2017-11-18T23:44:44 < capacitor> this is to tame the radiated emissions mate 2017-11-18T23:44:52 < kakimir> semi-floating? 2017-11-18T23:45:04 < jadew> yeah, you can connect their ground to say 30 V 2017-11-18T23:45:19 < kakimir> offset? 2017-11-18T23:45:25 < jadew> but it's still loosely tied to earth 2017-11-18T23:45:33 < jadew> yeah offset from earth 2017-11-18T23:45:52 < kakimir> adjustable? 2017-11-18T23:46:09 < jadew> no, you just connect it to your equipment as long as its GND is within some limits 2017-11-18T23:46:19 < jadew> +- something V from earth 2017-11-18T23:46:39 < kakimir> oh it's clamping 2017-11-18T23:46:52 < kakimir> why you want that? 2017-11-18T23:47:11 < jadew> I don't think it's clamping, more like that's the best they could do, while still having the thing resonably grounded 2017-11-18T23:47:40 < jadew> kakimir, well, ideally, you want it floating, but you also want it grounded when connecting to already floating stuff 2017-11-18T23:48:02 < jadew> I guess that's the compromise 2017-11-18T23:48:25 < capacitor> what day is it 2017-11-18T23:48:36 < jadew> saturday 2017-11-18T23:48:38 < englishman> karlp: get a thermaldonix for yourself, pass on down the hakko to lilbro 2017-11-18T23:48:50 < capacitor> welcomeman 2017-11-18T23:49:24 < englishman> hi bb 2017-11-18T23:49:38 < capacitor> ~ 2017-11-18T23:49:55 < englishman> today i rubbed oil into wood 2017-11-18T23:49:59 < englishman> to make the wood look nice 2017-11-18T23:50:00 < englishman> all day 2017-11-18T23:50:23 < englishman> looks like you Y capacitor all day 2017-11-18T23:51:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-18T23:51:41 < capacitor> yeah 2017-11-18T23:57:28 < sync> karlp: get jbc :) --- Day changed Sun Nov 19 2017 2017-11-19T00:01:49 < capacitor> i like jbc 2017-11-19T00:01:59 -!- syn0 [hoofman@odin.sdf-eu.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T00:04:04 < kakimir> okay no problems connecting it to scope 2017-11-19T00:04:14 < kakimir> if there was leak my lights would go out 2017-11-19T00:05:12 < kakimir> once I was connecting something and I accidentally connected Neutral and ground 2017-11-19T00:05:25 < kakimir> whole place went dark and silent at instant 2017-11-19T00:05:52 < kakimir> I measured and there was 0.4VAC difference between them 2017-11-19T00:14:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-19T00:22:02 < capacitor> i accidentally fucked a tranny 2017-11-19T00:22:05 < capacitor> jk 2017-11-19T00:32:14 < kakimir> not a joke 2017-11-19T00:32:31 < kakimir> you are traumatized 2017-11-19T00:36:33 < capacitor> lol 2017-11-19T00:40:17 < kakimir> it's clear to see 2017-11-19T00:40:47 < kakimir> how do I start ltspice simulation with capacitor at certain voltage 2017-11-19T00:40:48 < kakimir> ? 2017-11-19T00:41:03 < capacitor> initial conditions 2017-11-19T00:41:14 < capacitor> maybe a spice directive idk 2017-11-19T00:43:30 < kakimir> nicce 2017-11-19T00:43:37 < kakimir> .ic directive 2017-11-19T00:52:32 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a00f:566f:3784:df27] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T00:58:06 < kakimir> small boards are hard to measure 2017-11-19T00:58:15 < kakimir> steady hands required 2017-11-19T00:58:37 < kakimir> two probes in one hand and another one operates fungen and scope 2017-11-19T00:58:45 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2017-11-19T01:18:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T01:19:17 -!- laurence_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T01:19:24 -!- laurence_ is now known as Laurenceb_ 2017-11-19T01:23:58 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:a00f:566f:3784:df27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-19T01:27:22 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-19T01:38:51 < kakimir> my project is fucked 2017-11-19T01:38:59 < kakimir> comparator wont output 2017-11-19T01:39:20 < kakimir> to enable buck regulator 2017-11-19T01:39:50 < kakimir> when I try to force switching regulator with jumper to start it wont 2017-11-19T01:40:09 < kakimir> I proly need to build one ground up 2017-11-19T01:40:12 < aandrew> comparator won't compare 2017-11-19T01:40:12 < kakimir> one part at time 2017-11-19T01:40:58 < kakimir> and even reverse polarity protection is not working 2017-11-19T01:41:02 < kakimir> clusterfuck 2017-11-19T01:44:22 < kakimir> I prolly have fried all the parts with my tests 2017-11-19T01:46:41 < kakimir> or relowing 2017-11-19T01:46:44 < kakimir> reflowing 2017-11-19T01:47:49 < Laurenceb_> As a non-binary Person of Colour in the music and art world, we aren’t going to see ourselves represented by the mainstream, that’s why we must create our own stream, carve our own river, and build our communities along that river so that we can nourish and feed ourselves, artistically and emotionally 2017-11-19T01:48:09 < kakimir> are ou talkin about memes 2017-11-19T01:48:51 < Laurenceb_> I'm talking shitpost 2017-11-19T01:48:56 < Laurenceb_> and copypasta 2017-11-19T01:51:05 < kakimir> recommend a movie Laurenceb_ 2017-11-19T01:51:21 < Laurenceb_> 2001 2017-11-19T01:52:38 < kakimir> yes but no 2017-11-19T01:52:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T01:56:54 < kakimir> design is sound but noting works.. 2017-11-19T01:57:03 < kakimir> absolutelly nothing 2017-11-19T01:57:18 < kakimir> signals look good but nothing happens 2017-11-19T02:00:26 < kakimir> signals but all the outputs 2017-11-19T02:07:03 < jadew> man, old HP shit is awesome 2017-11-19T02:07:49 < jadew> they clearly knew (and still know) how to run a business 2017-11-19T02:09:00 < jadew> the colaboration that must have gone in those old boat anchors and the fact that they're still working is fascinating 2017-11-19T02:09:56 < jadew> you can probably fill a small library with the internal documentation for some of that stuff 2017-11-19T02:11:20 < jadew> I just powered an old boat anchor SA and it's fucking spot on (both in amplitude and frequency) in all bands 2017-11-19T02:11:40 < jadew> it's almost as old as I am 2017-11-19T02:15:10 < jadew> and while we're at it, I also powered on my old DS 1052E, aside from the shitty resolution, that was a really nice scope 2017-11-19T02:15:28 < jadew> super nice interface 2017-11-19T02:21:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-19T02:33:05 < Laurenceb_> How can the weather be real if gender isn't ? 2017-11-19T02:34:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-19T02:38:15 < Cracki> tough questions hour, is it 2017-11-19T02:38:49 < Cracki> https://twitter.com/AndrewLawton/status/931919557626941440 2017-11-19T02:39:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/17/goodbye_steve_bong/ 2017-11-19T02:41:29 < Laurenceb_> wew https://twitter.com/BongVentures?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author 2017-11-19T02:48:59 -!- HorizonBreak [sid131374@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vljptyxcmjrlohgn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T03:02:48 < capacitor> Laurenceb_: 2017-11-19T03:10:48 < Laurenceb_> sup 2017-11-19T03:11:00 < capacitor> not much 2017-11-19T03:11:15 < capacitor> just thinking about anders brevik 2017-11-19T03:11:28 < Laurenceb_> as you do 2017-11-19T03:12:06 < capacitor> maybe he can fix my tv 2017-11-19T03:25:09 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-19T03:36:02 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-19T03:37:09 < Laurenceb_> ho lee shiiittt 2017-11-19T03:37:22 < Laurenceb_> /britfeel/ moderator has been arrested 2017-11-19T03:37:37 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T03:37:46 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42041390 2017-11-19T03:38:06 < Laurenceb_> >Nathan Elsey 2017-11-19T03:38:07 < jadew> is that related? 2017-11-19T03:38:30 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could become their new moderator 2017-11-19T03:38:57 < jadew> so he's accused of murder? 2017-11-19T03:39:03 < Laurenceb_> stepping into the footprints of /r9k/ 2017-11-19T03:39:04 < Laurenceb_> yes 2017-11-19T03:39:04 < jadew> what's britfeel? 2017-11-19T03:39:17 < Laurenceb_> a chan board 2017-11-19T03:39:22 < jadew> about? 2017-11-19T03:39:35 < Laurenceb_> British stuff, with an r9k twist 2017-11-19T03:39:47 < jadew> yeah, I don't know what r9k is either :) 2017-11-19T03:39:47 < Laurenceb_> also has irl serial killers like r9k 2017-11-19T03:39:53 < jadew> ah, I see 2017-11-19T03:39:59 < Laurenceb_> the home of Elliot Rodgers 2017-11-19T03:40:32 < jadew> you'd think those guys wouldn't hurt anyone, cuz they don't get out of the house 2017-11-19T03:41:01 < Laurenceb_> it was probably his first and old attempt to get laid 2017-11-19T03:41:13 < Laurenceb_> >implying he wont get laid when he drops the soap 2017-11-19T03:41:44 < jadew> why do you stay on those boards? 2017-11-19T03:42:00 < Laurenceb_> quality banter 2017-11-19T03:42:29 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/G9Rn7hp.jpg <- britfeel OC 2017-11-19T03:48:35 < jadew> why is the BBC calling football, soccer? 2017-11-19T03:49:06 < jadew> http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-42027196/gamer-predicts-that-esports-is-going-to-be-bigger-than-soccer 2017-11-19T04:10:10 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2017-11-19T04:10:12 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T04:21:20 < Laurenceb_> Cracki chan? 2017-11-19T04:21:30 < Cracki_> i, not y 2017-11-19T04:22:02 < Cracki_> also my eye brows are bushier 2017-11-19T04:22:10 < Cracki_> not to mention other body parts 2017-11-19T04:22:24 < Cracki_> twink traps n fembois welcome 2017-11-19T04:23:52 < Laurenceb_> wew 2017-11-19T04:28:12 < Laurenceb_> wew bbc news 2017-11-19T04:28:32 < Laurenceb_> empowering womenz with bluetooth and embedded technologies 2017-11-19T04:28:34 < Laurenceb_> 100 women 2017-11-19T04:28:40 < Laurenceb_> wtf am I watching 2017-11-19T04:32:55 < Laurenceb_> holy shit its the creation of #metoo 2017-11-19T04:32:56 < Laurenceb_> wew 2017-11-19T04:40:12 < Laurenceb_> >crowdsourcing stories of manspreading 2017-11-19T04:40:25 < jadew> is anyone aware of some clips that can attach on top of through hole ICs? 2017-11-19T04:43:13 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T04:43:23 < jadew> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3m/923739-16/923739-16-ND/12080 2017-11-19T04:43:24 < jadew> awesome 2017-11-19T04:43:45 < jadew> $22 for 1 - not that awesome 2017-11-19T04:44:48 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T04:49:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T04:50:18 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T04:51:06 < jadew> looks what I found: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-set-SOP-SOIC-TSSOP-TSOP-SSOP-MSOP-PLCC-QFP-SMD-IC-Chip-pin-CLIP-DIP/32589469448.html 2017-11-19T04:51:14 < jadew> anyone got these? 2017-11-19T04:52:18 < Cracki_> there are such IC clamps 2017-11-19T04:52:27 < Cracki_> there are also individual clamps for the legs 2017-11-19T04:52:56 < jadew> I need something that can be attached on top of a DIP IC, like the 3M stuff, but affordable 2017-11-19T04:52:57 < Cracki_> tend to be complimentary to many logic analyzers 2017-11-19T04:53:06 < Cracki_> what spacing? 2017-11-19T04:53:10 < jadew> 2.54 2017-11-19T04:53:14 < Cracki_> eh trivial 2017-11-19T04:53:21 < Cracki_> individual clamps cost perhaps 1-2 bucks a piece 2017-11-19T04:53:37 < Cracki_> if you want a rigid setup, get pogopins and order a PCB ;) 2017-11-19T04:54:06 < jadew> hmm, I have pogo pins 2017-11-19T04:54:26 < Cracki_> "test hook probes" generally 2017-11-19T04:54:27 < jadew> it wouldn't be easy to fix the board on top of the IC tho 2017-11-19T04:54:39 < Cracki_> paper weight 2017-11-19T04:55:02 < Cracki_> yeah get some test hook probes 2017-11-19T04:55:14 < Cracki_> they can be had in many qualities 2017-11-19T04:55:25 < Cracki_> google images has common sorts 2017-11-19T04:55:45 < jadew> I have those, but I have to probe like 30 signals 2017-11-19T04:55:56 < Cracki_> then it'll look like a hedgehog 2017-11-19T04:56:23 < jadew> yeah, and they unhook often 2017-11-19T04:56:46 < Cracki_> pogo pin PCB with perhaps some widgets that grab the ic from both head ends? 2017-11-19T04:56:47 < jadew> because when you have a couple of them next to eachother they tend to unhook themselves 2017-11-19T04:56:55 < Cracki_> they do? 2017-11-19T04:57:01 < Cracki_> mine don't, they pull quite tightly 2017-11-19T04:57:09 < jadew> you must have better ones 2017-11-19T04:57:15 < Cracki_> or coarser ones 2017-11-19T04:57:23 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-19T04:57:37 < Cracki_> mine don't bend. i've seen ones that bend because the metal is even worse than the cheap stuff I bought 2017-11-19T04:59:10 < jadew> given how expensive this stuff is and that I'll probably have to wait a lot for shipping, I think I'll just start soldering 2017-11-19T04:59:58 < jadew> maybe they're cheapper on farnell 2017-11-19T05:00:07 < jadew> *cheaper 2017-11-19T05:00:41 < jadew> they're not 2017-11-19T05:02:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T05:08:05 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T05:09:23 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T05:33:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> ok. Clock maths. I have a 72Mhz clock source. I have a 16bit prescaler. I have a 16 bit counter. I want a period of 0.5s. (it's triggering an interrupt, so duty cycle isn't important). So I do 0.5/2^16 to get the timer per counter increment 2017-11-19T05:34:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Then I do 72e6 * this number? 2017-11-19T05:35:57 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:3510:fbdf:6060:bcff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-19T05:36:52 < jadew> Jak_o_Shadows, you basically want it to trigger twice per second, right? 2017-11-19T05:37:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> 4 times a second 2017-11-19T05:37:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> (i am not clear on this I think) 2017-11-19T05:37:28 < jadew> if the period is 0.5s , then it has to trigger twice per second 2017-11-19T05:37:33 < jadew> 1 / 0.5 = 2 2017-11-19T05:37:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. I don't care about the period, I just want an interrupt every 0.25 seconds 2017-11-19T05:38:10 < jadew> you said 0.5 first 2017-11-19T05:39:35 < Cracki_> overflow interrupt, i assume? 2017-11-19T05:40:25 < Cracki_> 72e6 / 2**16 * 0.25 2017-11-19T05:40:42 < jadew> 72e6 / (1 / 0.25) 2017-11-19T05:40:54 < jadew> you'll get the counter value 2017-11-19T05:40:58 < Cracki_> ^ 2017-11-19T05:41:20 < Cracki_> ah right, prescalers on stm32 can be any integer 2017-11-19T05:41:26 < jadew> or, if you want to use a prescaler, 72e6 / prescaler / (1 / 0.25) 2017-11-19T05:42:05 < Cracki_> 0.25s = 18000000 clock ticks. distribute over prescaler and counter as needed. 2017-11-19T05:42:39 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-19T05:42:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> So as 18e6 is bigger than the 2^16, I can pick an arbitary timer that will make that fit? 2017-11-19T05:43:12 < Cracki_> counter should be one less than the period, huh? on avrs, it's like that, because the counting goes 0,1,...TOP,0 2017-11-19T05:43:39 < Cracki_> prescaler*(TOP+1) = 18e6 2017-11-19T05:43:44 < Cracki_> not sure of the terminology 2017-11-19T05:44:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> For arguemetns sake, I could pick a prescaler of 512, and comapre at 72e6 / (512)/(1/0.25) 2017-11-19T05:44:09 < Cracki_> true 2017-11-19T05:44:19 < jadew> yes, but 512 won't give you a round number 2017-11-19T05:44:26 < Cracki_> or prescaler 10000, then top = 1800-1 2017-11-19T05:45:02 < Cracki_> or prescaler 7200, top=2500-1 2017-11-19T05:46:01 < jadew> anyone got these? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-Best-Price-10Pcs-Red-Black-P5003-MiNi-grabber-SMD-IC-Test-Hook-Clip-Jumper-Probe/32823359396.html 2017-11-19T05:46:08 < jadew> are they good for DIP? 2017-11-19T05:46:43 < Cracki_> not sure, boss has similar ones in the lab... they definitely look good for dip 2.54mm 2017-11-19T05:47:11 < Cracki_> if the spacing gives you trouble, clip them on zig-zag ;) 2017-11-19T05:47:33 < Cracki_> good that they already have a pin to plug onto 2017-11-19T05:47:39 < jadew> Cracki_, that's what I do with the crappier ones I have 2017-11-19T05:47:46 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-19T05:47:52 < jadew> that's why I'm considering them 2017-11-19T05:48:13 < jadew> I guess I'll take one set and buy more later if they're any good, by the time they arrive I expect to be done with this project anyway 2017-11-19T05:48:55 < Cracki_> solder some pin header onto the dip? 2017-11-19T05:49:07 < Cracki_> like sticking up on both sides? 2017-11-19T05:49:19 < jadew> not a bad idea 2017-11-19T05:49:26 < jadew> better than wires 2017-11-19T05:49:40 < Cracki_> wasn't sure if this is allowed to leave traces or not *g* 2017-11-19T05:50:09 < jadew> yeah, it's ok 2017-11-19T05:50:45 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-19T06:29:29 < Cracki_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooW6OQMKEdk 2017-11-19T06:30:53 < Cracki_> most bass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmkii8WziI 2017-11-19T07:07:02 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-19T07:08:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T07:20:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T07:53:14 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T07:56:42 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T07:56:47 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-19T07:56:48 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T07:58:12 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-19T08:02:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T08:03:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T08:06:56 < rajkosto> Can someone find me 3.3V hall effect switches 3-pin that can sink 1.5mA current ? I can only find 5V or riddic current ones 2017-11-19T08:08:15 -!- absynth [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T08:09:10 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-19T08:09:16 < dongs> what does that mean? 2017-11-19T08:09:23 < dongs> you want a hall effect sensor? 2017-11-19T08:09:25 < dongs> on/off? 2017-11-19T08:11:01 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T08:14:18 -!- absynth is now known as dan2wik 2017-11-19T08:43:00 < jpa-> rajkosto: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/toshiba-semiconductor-and-storage/TCS40DPRLF/TCS40DPRLFCT-ND/5012766 .. and the rest 2017-11-19T08:43:00 < jpa-> https://www.digikey.com/products/en/sensors-transducers/magnetic-sensors-switches-solid-state/565?k=&pkeyword=&FV=a4006a%2Ca4006d%2Ca40141%2Ca401f0%2Ca4036e%2Ca40398%2C450043b%2C450006d%2C4500445%2C4500446%2C450006f%2C4500464%2C4500504%2C4500567%2C4500569%2C4500090%2C4500011%2C4500012%2C45000c5%2C4500014%2C45000c9%2C450081a%2C4500017%2C4500c71%2C4500e5a%2C450017d%2C4500180%2C4500196%2C450019e%2C450108e%2C4500 2017-11-19T08:43:00 < jpa-> 1e6%2C45001e9%2C45001f5%2C45002e7%2C450031a%2C45003d7%2C1180000a%2C11800494%2C1180000c%2C1180000d%2C1180000e%2C118005c1%2C118005c2%2C11800010%2C11800011%2C11800013%2C11800980%2C11800019%2C118009fe%2C1180001a%2C1180001b%2C1180001c%2C1180001d%2C1180001e%2C11800022%2C1180016f%2C1180022d%2C1180026a%2C11800291%2C11800007%2C11800008%2Cffe00235&mnonly=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&stock=1&quantity=10&ptm=0&fid=0&pageS 2017-11-19T08:43:00 < jpa-> ize=25 2017-11-19T08:43:02 < jpa-> err 2017-11-19T08:43:19 < jpa-> https://goo.gl/htoBne for digikey search 2017-11-19T08:43:55 < dongs> jpa, digikey has its own shorturl service 2017-11-19T08:44:02 < dongs> that works for sernding seach links 2017-11-19T08:44:11 < jpa-> oh 2017-11-19T08:44:25 < jpa-> yeah, i see it now, never noticed 2017-11-19T08:44:44 < dongs> i think im banned from digikey tho 2017-11-19T08:44:53 < dongs> here was a problem with your request. 2017-11-19T08:44:53 < dongs> We are unable to process your request. 2017-11-19T08:44:53 < dongs> Please return to the previous page to try again or contact Digi-Key Webmaster if you feel that you have received this message in error. Please reference the following incident number so we may assist you with this error. 2017-11-19T08:44:58 < dongs> i get this for everything now 2017-11-19T08:45:31 < dongs> since yesterday... or day before 2017-11-19T08:45:56 < englishman> digokey has been shit all week 2017-11-19T08:46:11 < englishman> pretty sure I have those toshibas in something 2017-11-19T08:46:20 < rajkosto> by 3 pin i meant http://media.rs-online.com/t_large/F1811457-01.jpg 2017-11-19T08:46:20 < englishman> pretty nice, push-pull output 2017-11-19T08:46:45 < rajkosto> also i dont know if that goo.gl link gives me proper digikey search results 2017-11-19T08:46:54 < englishman> what is that? some kind of spider? 2017-11-19T08:47:08 < jpa-> ah you want a component from the 80s? 2017-11-19T08:48:00 < jpa-> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/diodes-incorporated/AH1815-P-B/AH1815-P-BDI-ND/5453089 etc. it's not a difficult search 2017-11-19T08:48:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-19T08:48:42 < rajkosto> i am terrible at digikey search 2017-11-19T08:49:04 < jpa-> go and learn? 2017-11-19T08:49:20 < dongs> damn 2017-11-19T08:49:23 < dongs> jpa, so shit is working for yohu? 2017-11-19T08:49:28 < dongs> even your direct link = fail request 2017-11-19T08:49:29 < dongs> wtf 2017-11-19T08:49:36 < dongs> trying their live shat 2017-11-19T08:49:46 < jpa-> dongs: yeah works for me 2017-11-19T08:50:33 < dongs> .. my office IP is ok 2017-11-19T08:50:36 < dongs> banned for sure 2017-11-19T08:50:37 < dongs> wtf 2017-11-19T08:50:55 < jpa-> clear cookies / try different browser? 2017-11-19T08:50:59 < dongs> already 2017-11-19T08:51:31 < dongs> IP a couple numbers off on same class C works. 2017-11-19T08:51:44 < jpa-> you've been buying too mush 2017-11-19T08:51:46 < jpa-> *much 2017-11-19T08:52:07 < dongs> no, iuve been using digikey parametric search and hten buying at mouser 2017-11-19T08:58:27 < dongs> whats hte least autistic way to provide varying voltage to power target with 2017-11-19T08:58:29 < dongs> from a PCB 2017-11-19T08:58:36 < dongs> digipot on i2c sounds like overkill 2017-11-19T08:58:39 < dongs> anything else? 2017-11-19T09:00:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-19T09:04:16 < jpa-> voltage out from dac, then anything voltage controllable? 2017-11-19T09:04:51 < dongs> oh hm 2017-11-19T09:04:58 < dongs> you mean like feedback of vreg? 2017-11-19T09:06:38 < dongs> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/818 2017-11-19T09:06:39 < dongs> neat 2017-11-19T09:06:55 < englishman> Linear probably has exactly what you're looking for in a $20 ic 2017-11-19T09:07:04 < dongs> i bet 2017-11-19T09:07:26 < englishman> Maxim had one too but eol in 21 2017-11-19T09:07:33 < englishman> 2015 2017-11-19T09:07:34 < dongs> 21 days? 2017-11-19T09:07:55 < jpa-> feedback of vreg, control pin of smps chip, input of opamp buffer, depends on how much current you need 2017-11-19T09:08:40 < dongs> yaeh 2017-11-19T09:08:42 < dongs> okay cool 2017-11-19T09:08:48 < englishman> what kind of steps/resolution 2017-11-19T09:09:06 < dongs> doesnt amtter 2017-11-19T09:09:17 < dongs> the constraint is cost 2017-11-19T09:09:19 < englishman> can switch in resistors to feedback 2017-11-19T09:09:27 < dongs> yeah, thats how its done now 2017-11-19T09:10:11 < jpa-> what voltages? 2017-11-19T09:10:32 < dongs> just 1.x to 5V 2017-11-19T09:10:42 < dongs> i think ill just do dac or pwm to RC like that appnote says 2017-11-19T09:11:31 < jpa-> you could get 1.8..5V by putting STM32 DAC output directly to 1.8V fixed voltage regulator GND pin 2017-11-19T09:13:47 < englishman> heh 2017-11-19T09:16:24 < dongs> jpa, lol what 2017-11-19T09:16:42 < dongs> what does that do with its output current 2017-11-19T09:21:13 < jpa-> shouldn't affect much, (modern) regulators only put like 100µA into gnd pin 2017-11-19T09:23:18 < jpa-> stm32 dac output also has the internal buffer, though annoyingly that loses 0.2V at each end 2017-11-19T09:35:15 < dongs> jpa so STM32 and target have common ground 2017-11-19T09:35:21 < dongs> vreg has VIN, VOUT to target 2017-11-19T09:35:26 < dongs> and its GND is sorta floating with DAC output 2017-11-19T09:35:31 < dongs> and that still works? 2017-11-19T09:35:50 < jpa-> yeah 2017-11-19T09:36:13 < dongs> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/ltclt1965-lownoiseldolinearregulatoraudio-110313221159-phpapp01/95/lt1965-low-noise-ldo-linear-regulator-4-728.jpg?cb=1303085136 2017-11-19T09:36:14 < jpa-> it probably won't be the most accurate thing but should get within 50 mV or so easily enough 2017-11-19T09:36:51 < jpa-> (but try to pick a regulator with small quiescent current, not some 1117 crap :) 2017-11-19T09:37:01 < dongs> all the current is on the pmos and none of it goes to ground? 2017-11-19T09:37:18 < jpa-> only the current needed by opamp and vref goes to ground 2017-11-19T09:37:29 < dongs> mhm 2017-11-19T09:37:36 < dongs> thats fucking neat 2017-11-19T09:38:35 < jpa-> and on good regulators it is small enough that stm32 dac can handle it; it can do something like 1mA if the buffer is on.. with the buffer off it has 15kohm internal resistance which will give some offset 2017-11-19T10:24:49 < dongs> qI will increase with LDO output current isnt it? 2017-11-19T10:25:02 < dongs> im loking at lm1117 its specd at 5mA/10mA max 2017-11-19T10:25:12 < dongs> i kinda wanna try this wiht a power supply just to see if it works 2017-11-19T10:25:13 < dongs> eheh 2017-11-19T10:25:31 < dongs> would you use this in production?? 2017-11-19T10:25:40 < dongs> or only on MAKE:R bench 2017-11-19T10:32:58 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2017-11-19T10:34:42 < ReadErr> dongs: catch lrh last night? 2017-11-19T10:35:18 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T10:36:28 < dongs> wasnt aware it was going every day 2017-11-19T10:36:35 < dongs> l0de must be out of money 2017-11-19T10:45:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T10:50:43 -!- Cyric [~quassel@unaffiliated/cyric] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T11:00:05 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T11:02:57 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T11:03:00 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T11:06:58 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T11:07:46 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:8c07:beca:6db:deb] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T11:20:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T11:28:44 < ReadErr> dongs: oh friday 2017-11-19T11:58:20 -!- expohsix [a2fba6f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.251.166.243] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T11:58:37 < expohsix> lul this is in the iphone emulator on snack.expo.io 2017-11-19T11:59:04 < ohsix> wonder how they emulate the things so good 2017-11-19T12:02:02 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ButtCoin/status/931881570234970113 2017-11-19T12:02:43 < ohsix> magicaltux loves magicalbux 2017-11-19T12:05:40 -!- expohsix [a2fba6f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.251.166.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-19T12:06:15 < ohsix> lul he said mtgox cost 15 million a year to run 2017-11-19T12:20:49 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/cocks/201638677824 can i use this to pump kerosene 2017-11-19T12:22:07 < ReadErr> http://www.templeos.org/Videos/WriteInC.mp4 dongs theme song? 2017-11-19T12:22:42 < ReadErr> dongs: should be fine 2017-11-19T12:31:29 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-19T12:34:08 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T12:34:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T12:48:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T13:30:35 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2017-11-19T13:30:39 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:adbd:e9d8:df79:d095] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T13:34:03 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T13:56:42 < kakimir> ReadErr: careful here 2017-11-19T14:04:36 < ReadErr> scuse me? 2017-11-19T14:06:14 < kakimir> dongs: yes 2017-11-19T14:07:56 < kakimir> dongs: are you into jet engines now? 2017-11-19T14:08:42 < kakimir> or is it some jap thing to pump kerosene and burn it for heat? 2017-11-19T14:09:31 < Steffanx> He's gonna do new 9/11 2017-11-19T14:10:40 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-19T14:11:30 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T14:11:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T14:11:37 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2017-11-19T14:17:07 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-19T14:22:02 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T14:22:02 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-19T14:22:02 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T14:27:28 < Thorn> >stm32l4+ 2017-11-19T14:27:44 < Thorn> >640kB RAM 2017-11-19T14:27:47 < Thorn> wat 2017-11-19T14:38:11 -!- noonien [uid162445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozncwhewranpdumv] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T14:38:29 < noonien> Hello folks! 2017-11-19T14:39:13 < noonien> is there any way to emulate a stm32f4? preferably with a few leds? 2017-11-19T14:40:54 < kakimir> you can emulate the core 2017-11-19T14:41:36 < kakimir> but peripherals you need to write yourself 2017-11-19T14:41:51 < noonien> i see 2017-11-19T14:41:56 < noonien> pft 2017-11-19T14:42:40 < kakimir> I don't know if some pro tools have peripheral models in them 2017-11-19T14:43:06 < kakimir> $$$ 2017-11-19T14:43:52 < PaulFertser> https://beckus.github.io/qemu_stm32/ has some for f1 apparently 2017-11-19T14:44:08 < noonien> yeah, i saw that 2017-11-19T14:46:56 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T14:48:48 < noonien> i've been trying to get into cortexes using STM32 for ages 2017-11-19T14:49:08 < noonien> i've got multiple dev boards but i'll probably start on a STM32F407VET6 board 2017-11-19T14:49:29 < noonien> my main gripe is with using C, even C++. they're awesome languages, but i hate them 2017-11-19T14:50:01 < noonien> i've finally discovered a decent language that i could use for this, Nim. and would like to give it a try 2017-11-19T14:50:48 < noonien> but i'll probably have to doa lot of testing to get everything to work fine and would rather not have a mess of cables of my desk 2017-11-19T14:51:01 < noonien> is there a bootloader i could use probably? 2017-11-19T14:51:34 < PaulFertser> noonien: just use stlink or some other swd debugger and debug on live target. 2017-11-19T14:51:54 < noonien> I've got a tumpa 2017-11-19T14:51:54 < PaulFertser> noonien: emulators would be waste of time 2017-11-19T14:52:00 < noonien> but I still have to power the board separately 2017-11-19T14:52:17 < PaulFertser> noonien: you can get 5V from tumpa. 2017-11-19T14:52:34 < PaulFertser> And 3.3V too iirc, would need to check to tell for sure. 2017-11-19T14:52:47 < noonien> well, since I'm trying to get Nim to work, and don't really have any experience configuring arm peripherals/clocks, it might take quite a few flashes 2017-11-19T14:52:51 < PaulFertser> noonien: if you have a dev board, probably it already comes with a debugger? 2017-11-19T14:53:24 < PaulFertser> noonien: you can flash all day long, it's not like the erase limit is anywhere near practically dangerous. 2017-11-19T14:53:25 < noonien> it's just a chinese dev board from ebay 2017-11-19T14:54:02 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T14:54:14 < PaulFertser> noonien: btw, have you also considered rust? It seems to be a sane language, and many stm32 peripherals are supported in nice way it seems. 2017-11-19T14:54:33 < noonien> I have, yes 2017-11-19T14:54:35 < PaulFertser> noonien: you can use swd with tumpa if you add a "resistor hack". 2017-11-19T14:55:02 < noonien> there's a stm32 rust library that hasn't been updated for a while 2017-11-19T14:55:31 < noonien> also, I really tried giving rust a chance, I find it a way overenginered language 2017-11-19T14:55:42 < noonien> they've managed to make it even less unreadable than C++ 2017-11-19T14:55:59 < noonien> it might be trying to compete with perl on that front 2017-11-19T14:56:22 < PaulFertser> They bear no legacy contstraints of the language, and they provide compile-time object lifetime tracking, something that C++ really misses. 2017-11-19T14:57:51 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-19T14:58:00 < PaulFertser> https://crates.io/crates/stm32f103xx says last updated 2 months ago 2017-11-19T14:58:03 < noonien> I'm sure that's what they claim 2017-11-19T14:58:42 < PaulFertser> Anyway, to ensure you're not wasting your time I suggest getting on-chip debug working first. 2017-11-19T15:00:20 < PaulFertser> That would be much better than emulation and bootloaders. 2017-11-19T15:00:26 < noonien> awesome! thanks for the tip 2017-11-19T15:00:42 < noonien> can debugging not be done via jtag? 2017-11-19T15:00:59 < noonien> or is SWD better somewhow? 2017-11-19T15:01:08 < PaulFertser> noonien: swd requires less pins that jtag. 2017-11-19T15:01:42 < noonien> ah, yes, that's not an issue atm since i'm just trying to get blinky running 2017-11-19T15:03:20 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-165-235.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T15:08:35 < Thorn> wtf https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microcontrollers/685?k=stm32f411r 2017-11-19T15:13:15 * Steffanx tries to read Thorn's mind.. 2017-11-19T15:13:19 < Steffanx> failed. 2017-11-19T15:13:51 < Thorn> why no strock 2017-11-19T15:26:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-19T15:40:47 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T15:43:21 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T15:45:18 < Fleck> Steffanx: segmentation fault? :D 2017-11-19T15:53:34 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Nevar forget the 6 gorrilian hymens torn 2017-11-19T16:30:56 < PaulFertser> noonien: if your question is whether the jtag connector on tumpa has 3.3V power output, then the answer is no, it doesn't. 2017-11-19T16:31:47 < noonien> PaulFertser: awesome, thanks for clearing it up 2017-11-19T16:32:10 < noonien> i'll look for to see if there are any other 3v3 outs on the TUMP and just manually wire it 2017-11-19T16:32:20 < PaulFertser> noonien: there're some other, yes, see http://www.tiaowiki.com/w/TIAO_USB_Multi_Protocol_Adapter_User's_Manual 2017-11-19T16:32:22 < noonien> so I don't have to have multiple usbs 2017-11-19T16:33:53 < PaulFertser> noonien: I suggest you get 5V from tumpa and connect to the target's LDO input. 2017-11-19T16:34:28 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-19T16:36:24 < noonien> I've got a cheapo chinese dev board. i think the only way to input to the voltage regulator is through the usb port 2017-11-19T16:38:46 < PaulFertser> noonien: the blue pill one? 2017-11-19T16:40:17 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgdberK0q_Y 2017-11-19T16:40:54 < noonien> this is what it looks like: https://gronlier.fr/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/20150712_170316.jpg 2017-11-19T16:41:04 < noonien> here's the schematic: https://gronlier.fr/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/stm32f103c8t6.pdf 2017-11-19T16:42:28 < noonien> i'm pretty much a newb to electronic engineering. but from what I can see the usb ports VCC goes to VCC5 2017-11-19T16:44:50 < PaulFertser> I'm a big fan of the grocery store 2017-11-19T16:45:27 < noonien> there are some +5V pins, but I don't think I should supply power there 2017-11-19T16:45:36 < PaulFertser> noonien: why not? 2017-11-19T16:45:40 < noonien> it's probably safer to just stick wit the usb powering 2017-11-19T16:46:10 < noonien> the schematic is kind of strange 2017-11-19T16:46:25 < noonien> it doesn't show where +5V pins are from 2017-11-19T16:47:02 < PaulFertser> noonien: all +5V nets are connected 2017-11-19T16:47:09 < noonien> actually, it does, yeah 2017-11-19T16:47:41 < noonien> and form what I can see, the voltage regulator is actually using that same net, awesome! :D 2017-11-19T16:49:12 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T16:49:37 < noonien> PaulFertser: AWESOME, it works! you're awesome! 2017-11-19T16:50:02 < PaulFertser> noonien: welcome 2017-11-19T16:52:29 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-19T16:52:39 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T17:13:14 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T17:30:34 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T17:41:57 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T17:45:05 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T17:45:08 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T17:58:42 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T18:01:05 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T18:01:47 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T18:02:21 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-19T18:02:21 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T18:03:51 < englishman> Thorn: digicrap has consistently terrible stm32 stock and prices, try mauser/arrow/verical 2017-11-19T18:06:13 < ReadErr> englishman: https://slickdeals.net/f/10832915-hgst-deskstar-nas-3-5-8tb-hard-drive-210-5-max-for-deal-ends-11-19 2017-11-19T18:06:25 < englishman> yea saw 2017-11-19T18:06:26 < englishman> decent 2017-11-19T18:07:05 < englishman> i ended up just using syncthing backups on that one box 2017-11-19T18:07:39 < ReadErr> lol w/e works 2017-11-19T18:07:49 < englishman> yeah the vm backups seemed sketchy 2017-11-19T18:07:58 < kakimir> okay I had wrong comparator 2017-11-19T18:08:07 < englishman> im still only 1/3 capacity on the synodongs 2017-11-19T18:08:11 < englishman> maybe next year il upgrade 2017-11-19T18:08:16 < ReadErr> did u try the syno tool? 2017-11-19T18:08:19 < ReadErr> for backups 2017-11-19T18:08:22 < ReadErr> its pretty good 2017-11-19T18:08:23 < kakimir> wrong pmos pinout in reverse protection 2017-11-19T18:08:25 < englishman> man i cannot stand syno software 2017-11-19T18:08:37 < ReadErr> its clientless 2017-11-19T18:08:42 < kakimir> and probs fried my regulators doing all the stupid stuff 2017-11-19T18:08:55 < englishman> its easy, sure, but when something inevitably fucks up due to lunix it's impossible to fix 2017-11-19T18:09:45 < englishman> which one specifically? there's a ton of syno backup apps 2017-11-19T18:10:44 < englishman> https://www.lessemf.com/personal.html 2017-11-19T18:11:20 < englishman> I bought the brain shielding cap....and I wanted to say THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS PRODUCT. It helped stop the feelings I had from some device that was being used on me. I couldn't believe that the day I put on the cap the feeling and signal was blocked and it instantly felt myself again. 2017-11-19T18:11:42 < kakimir> sweet 2017-11-19T18:11:55 < ReadErr> https://www.synology.com/en-us/dsm/feature/active_backup 2017-11-19T18:12:24 < ReadErr> you just pop in the ip 2017-11-19T18:12:28 < ReadErr> click what dirs you want 2017-11-19T18:12:34 < ReadErr> and it does its thing 2017-11-19T18:12:48 < englishman> even if i dont have any network shares? 2017-11-19T18:12:52 < englishman> it just haxks in? 2017-11-19T18:12:59 < ReadErr> ya 2017-11-19T18:13:04 < ReadErr> uses ssh/rsync 2017-11-19T18:13:23 < englishman> different physical network too? airgapped? 2017-11-19T18:13:32 < ReadErr> long as you can ping it 2017-11-19T18:13:50 < englishman> yeah should work with site to site vpn then 2017-11-19T18:13:56 < englishman> on windows same deal? 2017-11-19T18:14:08 < ReadErr> ya 2017-11-19T18:14:17 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T18:14:55 < englishman> interesting 2017-11-19T18:15:05 < englishman> il try it out as a backup for syncthing 2017-11-19T18:15:10 < englishman> that crashes pretty often 2017-11-19T18:15:15 < englishman> backup the backup tool 2017-11-19T18:15:22 < ReadErr> well syncthings isnt a backup tool 2017-11-19T18:15:35 < Steffanx> ^ :D 2017-11-19T18:15:37 < ReadErr> you can run syncthings to replicate teh data you save from that tool 2017-11-19T18:15:41 < englishman> well im def using it like that 2017-11-19T18:15:45 < englishman> for the phone too 2017-11-19T18:15:50 < englishman> pulls the pix off and archives them 2017-11-19T18:15:55 < Steffanx> Blaming lunix when using the wrong tools, mr englishman mr englishman... 2017-11-19T18:16:00 < englishman> ? 2017-11-19T18:16:09 < englishman> syncthing crashes on windows mainly 2017-11-19T18:16:15 < englishman> probably because it is lunix soft 2017-11-19T18:16:39 < fest> I've got a few boards which make contact with an array of pogo pins (basically- pogo pin to copper pad, but the copper pad has some tin on it because it had wires soldered on for debugging). This contact is very unreliable (works for a day after cleaning/rubbing the pads). Any ideas on making it more reliable? 2017-11-19T18:16:43 < Steffanx> or because it hates canucks, probably that, 2017-11-19T18:17:06 < fest> i.e. those silver trace drawing pens, conductive epoxy? 2017-11-19T18:17:14 < englishman> ENIG coating 2017-11-19T18:17:37 < fest> the problem seems to be the tin which is left on those pads after debugging :/ 2017-11-19T18:18:00 < englishman> yeah, your pogo pin has to pierce thru the oxidation 2017-11-19T18:18:02 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-19T18:18:02 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T18:18:05 < ReadErr> tone down the racism a bit bud 2017-11-19T18:18:11 < Steffanx> lol ReadErr. 2017-11-19T18:18:19 < Steffanx> i heard you are black. 2017-11-19T18:18:27 < ReadErr> yeah 2017-11-19T18:18:28 < englishman> use different pads for soldering than pogopins 2017-11-19T18:18:33 < ReadErr> I have stunt hands too 2017-11-19T18:18:35 < fest> and it's the spherical top variety of pogo pin 2017-11-19T18:18:40 < englishman> also you can get different pogo pin tips that might work better 2017-11-19T18:18:46 < englishman> oh yeah that wont work at all 2017-11-19T18:18:53 < englishman> those are meant to seal against a PTH hole 2017-11-19T18:20:40 < fest> what I'm looking for is emergency fix for existing boards- obviously, enig/gold plating pads and not touching them and changing the pins (or even changing it to different type of contact) is best solution 2017-11-19T18:21:26 < englishman> well keep in mind they are test probes 2017-11-19T18:21:57 < englishman> check out different heads like this 2017-11-19T18:21:57 < englishman> https://www.harwin.com/products/P25-4023/ 2017-11-19T18:23:27 < englishman> ENIGga online 2017-11-19T18:26:29 < ReadErr> ONLY 2017-11-19T18:28:01 < fest> hmm, might want to try this: https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Harwin/S70-332002045R/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiCmpL7YCJhzk5qAVlVQn6xAKFd0PvffDV4q0l211eKig%3d%3d 2017-11-19T18:29:37 < englishman> pretty neat, yeah 2017-11-19T18:30:53 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T18:33:57 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T18:34:00 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T18:46:33 < ReadErr> englishman: also u can add amazon drive 2017-11-19T18:46:40 < ReadErr> pretty cheap clout storage 2017-11-19T18:46:42 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-19T18:49:27 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T18:52:47 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T18:52:48 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T19:07:06 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T19:09:57 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T19:10:00 -!- day is now known as daey 2017-11-19T19:12:59 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 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2017-11-19T20:14:19 < Laurenceb_> omg these GET loons are unironically trying to build a tesla power system 2017-11-19T20:14:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-19T20:17:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T20:18:36 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@193.138.219.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-19T20:32:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T20:34:01 < kakimir> tesla 2017-11-19T21:06:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-19T21:13:31 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:8c07:beca:6db:deb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-19T21:20:09 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/WLjt8xu.jpg 2017-11-19T21:23:57 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: "] 2017-11-19T21:26:11 -!- upgrdman_ 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I'd use it over birch (which is hard, but not as hard) for plywood 2017-11-19T22:27:57 < upgrdman> k thx 2017-11-19T22:27:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:28:01 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-5be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:28:33 < Cracki_> the cheap plywood around here is poplar, that's absolute shit for stability 2017-11-19T22:28:51 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:28:53 < Cracki_> but since that table is solid, should be sturdy 2017-11-19T22:29:30 < Cracki_> the sawhorses look a bit sketchy 2017-11-19T22:29:54 < Cracki_> (I'm used to iron frame tables :>) 2017-11-19T22:30:14 < englishman> upgrdman: they are hard, if you sand and oil/varnish the wood those tables come out pretty nice 2017-11-19T22:30:20 < Cracki_> ^ 2017-11-19T22:30:35 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:30:36 < upgrdman> nice 2017-11-19T22:30:38 < Cracki_> if the board hasn't been treated already 2017-11-19T22:30:59 < englishman> they usually have been, with 0.00001microns of clear 2017-11-19T22:30:59 < Cracki_> hah seems it's "raw" "Should be treated with BEHANDLA wood treatment oil for indoor use once prior to usage." 2017-11-19T22:31:06 < englishman> ah, nice 2017-11-19T22:31:06 < Cracki_> or that 2017-11-19T22:31:10 < karlp> Laurenceb_: just make your device ignore the volume controls? 2017-11-19T22:31:19 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:31:28 < Cracki_> the mere presence of sand paper will scare the clear off 2017-11-19T22:31:32 < englishman> it just so happens im going to get another gallon of teak oil right now lol 2017-11-19T22:31:46 < upgrdman> Cracki_, ya im actually just going to get the table top. those saw horses look ugly AF. im going to put the table top on some ikea drawers i already habe 2017-11-19T22:31:54 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:31:56 < Cracki_> aye 2017-11-19T22:31:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-19T22:32:49 < Cracki_> btw, I saw such table tops (sanded n beveled n shit) in varieties in a big hardware store around here, about the same price 2017-11-19T22:33:20 < upgrdman> basically want to replace this cheap table top with a solid wood one http://www.farrellf.com/temp/new_meter.jpg 2017-11-19T22:33:27 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:33:46 < Cracki_> those things _are_ made by gluing pieces together, so is probably not resistant to water 2017-11-19T22:34:33 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:34:33 < Cracki_> some water's ok, but I've seen those used outdoors for keeping a sand box together, and they just came undone 2017-11-19T22:34:35 < upgrdman> thats fine 2017-11-19T22:34:45 < Laurenceb_> karlp: I'm pretty sure it already does 2017-11-19T22:34:45 < upgrdman> i dont jizz on my table tops 2017-11-19T22:34:49 < Cracki_> rs232_print_graph eh 2017-11-19T22:34:54 < Laurenceb_> but the data is scaled by the OS 2017-11-19T22:34:56 < Cracki_> jizz counts as glue 2017-11-19T22:35:17 < Cracki_> >stm32 robot tx 2017-11-19T22:35:21 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:35:39 < upgrdman> Cracki_, heh, ya that was from before i made my AmazeBalls telemetry viewer tool, so i just prints ASCII art instead 2017-11-19T22:35:41 < Cracki_> >gimbal, knobs, ... 2017-11-19T22:35:45 < Cracki_> :) 2017-11-19T22:36:02 < Steffanx> lolol, Laurenceb_ got bitten by abusing usb audio class for this mems stuff? :D :D 2017-11-19T22:36:16 < Steffanx> by windows* 2017-11-19T22:36:32 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-19T22:36:44 < Laurenceb_> yes 2017-11-19T22:36:49 < Laurenceb_> no issues in lunix 2017-11-19T22:37:12 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:37:14 < upgrdman> and yes, that robot tx has an stm32f0 http://www.farrellf.com/temp/robot_tx2.jpg 2017-11-19T22:37:14 < Steffanx> probably because you cant adjust the volume in lunix right? 2017-11-19T22:37:16 < Laurenceb_> lunix audio drivers actually work properly for once 2017-11-19T22:37:20 < Laurenceb_> lel 2017-11-19T22:37:25 < Laurenceb_> actually no I can't :P 2017-11-19T22:37:32 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:37:45 < Laurenceb_> in lunix the volume slider is greyed out and fixed at 100% for my device 2017-11-19T22:38:06 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:38:15 < Laurenceb_> maybe I need to write a .ini file 2017-11-19T22:38:34 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:38:44 < Steffanx> dear BrainDamage, wtf are you doing? 2017-11-19T22:38:56 < upgrdman> failing 2017-11-19T22:38:58 < Cracki_> yay encoder wheels with 8 counts 2017-11-19T22:38:59 < BrainDamage> my znc went tits up 2017-11-19T22:39:12 < BrainDamage> everytime i connect to it, it crashes with a stack smash 2017-11-19T22:39:21 < BrainDamage> i have no fucking clue why 2017-11-19T22:39:22 < Steffanx> must be ##stm32's love. 2017-11-19T22:39:30 < Cracki_> will that thing be balancing on two wheels? 2017-11-19T22:40:33 < upgrdman> Cracki_, that first version kinda sorta did. the second version does pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bQdrvSLqpg 2017-11-19T22:40:55 < Cracki_> nice 2017-11-19T22:42:16 < Cracki_> :D big monitor 2017-11-19T22:43:42 < upgrdman> 55" 4k ips FTW 2017-11-19T22:44:06 < sync> pretty shitty resolution at that size 2017-11-19T22:44:20 < upgrdman> ya thats why its not on my desk but on a tv stand 2017-11-19T22:44:40 < upgrdman> 28" 4k ips on my desk, which is about perfect for my eyes 2017-11-19T22:44:55 < upgrdman> would <3 a 32" 5k though 2017-11-19T22:45:21 < Cracki_> the frame of the robot, is what welded or soldered? 2017-11-19T22:45:24 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:47:19 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-19T22:47:29 < upgrdman> Cracki_, soldered 2017-11-19T22:47:38 < upgrdman> and i have a video of that too. just check out my channel videos 2017-11-19T22:47:46 < Cracki_> hmm good to know that's an option 2017-11-19T22:47:46 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2017-11-19T22:47:54 < upgrdman> ya brass solders nicely 2017-11-19T22:48:12 < upgrdman> and a 50 or 60W iron is fine for that size of square tube 2017-11-19T22:48:13 < Cracki_> I think I'll want a Brateisen for that kinda job 2017-11-19T22:48:20 < Cracki_> hm ok that's less than I expected 2017-11-19T22:49:53 * Laurenceb_ is trying to work out if the "GET" wireless power thing was faked 2017-11-19T22:50:00 < Laurenceb_> liek 10kW, wtf 2017-11-19T22:50:57 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-241-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:51:38 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-241-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:53:10 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-241-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:53:37 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-241-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:54:31 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-241-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T22:54:55 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-241-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-19T22:55:00 < aandrew> yeah you're not getting 10kW through the air without frying things inbetween 2017-11-19T22:55:59 < jpa-> solar panels disagree 2017-11-19T22:56:34 < Steffanx> lol screw you jpa- :P 2017-11-19T22:58:14 < aandrew> upgrdman: nice 2017-11-19T22:59:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T22:59:12 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-5be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T23:00:28 < karlp> if you're puttting test points on a board, but they're all "a long way" away, , not just pads inline, should you do something to prevent the traces causing problems? 2017-11-19T23:00:38 < karlp> little resistors on the start of the stub line or something? 2017-11-19T23:00:47 < sync> upgrdman: I feel like 32" 5k is worse, but yeah I have 27" 4k 2017-11-19T23:00:48 < karlp> I feel like i've seen this modelled on falstad or something 2017-11-19T23:00:56 < sync> I should have stayed at 24" 2017-11-19T23:00:59 < sync> bit it is what it is 2017-11-19T23:01:38 < aandrew> upgrdman: you're just using the gyro to do the balance? 2017-11-19T23:05:07 < upgrdman> aandrew, gyro + accel 2017-11-19T23:05:25 < upgrdman> madgwick for fusion 2017-11-19T23:07:01 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: their video shows a coil around a quadcopter 2017-11-19T23:07:06 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2017-11-19T23:07:52 < BrainDamage> holy shit, it really is stm32 2017-11-19T23:07:59 < BrainDamage> when znc joins it, it blows up 2017-11-19T23:08:41 < Laurenceb_> https://vimeo.com/242630004 2017-11-19T23:09:23 < BrainDamage> karlp: what's the wavelength of the signals that will go in vs the trace length? 2017-11-19T23:09:46 < sync> wut 2017-11-19T23:10:00 < sync> using screw clamps on poly rope 2017-11-19T23:10:01 < sync> wtf 2017-11-19T23:10:22 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T23:10:38 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-19T23:10:44 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T23:10:52 < Laurenceb_> sync: yeah none of it makes much sense 2017-11-19T23:11:06 < Laurenceb_> also that much power without a coil to TX 2017-11-19T23:11:12 < Laurenceb_> I think its fake 2017-11-19T23:11:23 < Laurenceb_> their webshite is full Teslaloon 2017-11-19T23:11:25 < aandrew> upgrdman: what's the accelerometer doing to help, just trying to keep gravity down? 2017-11-19T23:11:48 < upgrdman> aandrew, fusion, to compensate for gyro drift 2017-11-19T23:12:31 < upgrdman> integrating gyro velocity, to get angle, will result in the angle drifting off if the gyro is not ideal 2017-11-19T23:13:08 < upgrdman> and my gyro is FART from ideal 2017-11-19T23:13:09 < aandrew> right 2017-11-19T23:13:18 < upgrdman> *FAR 2017-11-19T23:13:22 < aandrew> I forgot about that, duh 2017-11-19T23:13:30 < aandrew> nice parts bins off to the left btw 2017-11-19T23:13:38 < Cracki_> hoo boy soldered brass frame, I'm glad I saw this 2017-11-19T23:13:45 < upgrdman> ya, akro-mils FTW 2017-11-19T23:13:47 < Cracki_> this is gonna make some stuff a lot easier 2017-11-19T23:14:20 < upgrdman> <3 akro-mils http://www.farrellf.com/temp/new_wheels.jpg 2017-11-19T23:14:27 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: whos video 2017-11-19T23:14:27 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T23:14:39 < Laurenceb_> GetCorp 2017-11-19T23:14:41 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T23:14:54 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-19T23:15:30 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T23:16:26 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-19T23:17:10 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T23:17:38 < aandrew> that histogram is pretty nice for visualization 2017-11-19T23:17:38 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T23:18:23 < aandrew> we've been experimenting with double-ema for a predictive algorithm 2017-11-19T23:18:34 < aandrew> it works amazingly well for how simple it is, way way way easier/faster than kalman 2017-11-19T23:18:44 < upgrdman> ema? 2017-11-19T23:18:49 < aandrew> exponential moving average 2017-11-19T23:19:11 < aandrew> new = alpha*new + (1-alpha)*old 2017-11-19T23:19:41 < aandrew> that's a single ema 2017-11-19T23:22:07 < aandrew> ema_1 = alpha*new_sample + (1-alpha)*old_value 2017-11-19T23:22:28 < aandrew> new_value = beta*ema_1 + (1-beta)*old_ema_1 2017-11-19T23:22:31 < aandrew> that'd be the double 2017-11-19T23:35:06 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-19T23:35:30 < kakimir> http://ronja.twibright.com/ 2001 optical ethernets 2017-11-19T23:35:40 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-19T23:36:07 < kakimir> would have ben fun project back then 2017-11-19T23:38:01 < Laurenceb_> anyone here familiar with windows .ini files and audio? 2017-11-19T23:38:24 < kakimir> .ini + audio? 2017-11-19T23:38:33 < kakimir> or .ini and audio something? 2017-11-19T23:38:57 < jadew> "I sold some vibrators to a couple of stewartdesses and they want their money back, they claimed it chips their teeth." 2017-11-19T23:39:17 < jadew> (from a movie I'm watching) 2017-11-19T23:39:24 < Laurenceb_> well using a .ini file to configure an audio device 2017-11-19T23:40:54 < Laurenceb_> or maybe its a .inf file 2017-11-19T23:40:56 < Laurenceb_> so confusing 2017-11-19T23:41:31 < Laurenceb_> chibios guy has a blog on this... 2017-11-19T23:41:33 < Laurenceb_> http://www.chibios.com/forum/download/file.php?avatar=2_1462542734.jpg 2017-11-19T23:41:36 < Laurenceb_> scary guy 2017-11-19T23:43:24 < Steffanx> Reminds me of this guy with this fancy tir 2017-11-19T23:43:26 < Steffanx> Tie 2017-11-19T23:43:52 < Laurenceb_> yeah looks like a .inf is needed, it can be locked to a specific VID/PID, string etc 2017-11-19T23:45:28 < Cracki_> aandrew, so that's two lowpass filters in series, what's the purpose of that? 2017-11-19T23:45:40 < Cracki_> unless I read the assignments wrong 2017-11-19T23:45:55 < qyx> kakimir: we had ronja on our student hostel 2017-11-19T23:46:06 < Laurenceb_> PKEY_AudioEndpoint_Default_VolumeInDb 2017-11-19T23:46:08 < Laurenceb_> found it 2017-11-19T23:46:15 < Laurenceb_> windowz mentalness intensifies 2017-11-19T23:46:24 < qyx> although it was already discontinued in 2006 when I came 2017-11-19T23:46:58 < Laurenceb_> tho how the dB scaling maps to actual attenuation/gain... 2017-11-19T23:47:03 < Laurenceb_> maybe I just set 0 2017-11-19T23:47:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5be3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T23:47:51 < Laurenceb_> ;-10 dB example 2017-11-19T23:47:51 < Laurenceb_> ;HKR,EP\0,%PKEY_AudioEndpoint_Default_VolumeInDb%,0x00010001,0xFFF60000 2017-11-19T23:47:54 < Laurenceb_> ewwwwww 2017-11-19T23:48:24 < Cracki_> dB express power 2017-11-19T23:48:37 < Cracki_> that's proprtional to voltage squared 2017-11-19T23:49:09 < Cracki_> so half the amplitude is a quarter the power, which is log10(1/4)*10 [dB] or log10(1/2)*20 [dB] 2017-11-19T23:50:22 < Cracki_> nvm, you mean windows 2017-11-19T23:51:19 < Cracki_> 0xFFF60000 is - 655360... 2017-11-19T23:51:57 < Cracki_> smells like fixed point 16.16 format perhaps 2017-11-19T23:52:41 < Cracki_> (0xFFF6 = -10) 2017-11-19T23:54:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-19T23:56:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah I understand the basics, was lulling at the aweful format 2017-11-19T23:56:13 < Laurenceb_> makes lunix seem user friendly 2017-11-19T23:56:31 < kakimir> recommd a movie jadew 2017-11-19T23:57:46 < jadew> jungle 2017-11-19T23:58:02 < Laurenceb_> looks like lunix disables the mic volume control at the os level if the device has no preamp or hardware volume control capability --- Day changed Mon Nov 20 2017 2017-11-20T00:00:39 < kakimir> jadew: yes 2017-11-20T00:02:12 < kakimir> or maybe not 2017-11-20T00:03:29 < jadew> why not? 2017-11-20T00:03:38 < jadew> not fan of the actor? 2017-11-20T00:05:01 < jadew> I can recommend you one with Robert Pattinson if that's more up your alley 2017-11-20T00:07:17 < jadew> that would be the lost city of Z 2017-11-20T00:07:21 < jadew> similar theme 2017-11-20T00:21:01 < Cracki_> does it contain vampires 2017-11-20T00:21:12 < Cracki_> Z sounds like zombies 2017-11-20T00:25:32 < jadew> no, they're both based on true stories 2017-11-20T00:34:28 < dongs> < Laurenceb_> looks like lunix disables the mic volume control 2017-11-20T00:34:35 < dongs> lunix has working audio support for more than 2 chipsets?? 2017-11-20T00:34:40 < dongs> shocking 2017-11-20T00:34:56 < dongs> last i checked lunix still recommended you to get an external PCI sound card 2017-11-20T00:34:56 < Laurenceb_> it has support for stm32 :P 2017-11-20T00:35:11 < dongs> cuz "onboard audio sucks!!11oneone" 2017-11-20T00:35:23 < Laurenceb_> yeah u need xmos 2017-11-20T00:45:29 < zyp> Laurenceb_, so what you're saying is that if the hardware doesn't support mic volume control, you don't get mic volume control? 2017-11-20T00:45:59 < zyp> and if so, is this unexpected? 2017-11-20T00:46:01 < dongs> did you know? lunix still doesnt have a kernel audio mixer either 2017-11-20T00:46:12 < Laurenceb_> zyp: nah thats expected 2017-11-20T00:46:18 < dongs> cuz doing it in C++ in userspace is so much better 2017-11-20T00:46:20 < Laurenceb_> but its not what I get on windows 2017-11-20T00:46:22 < dongs> fucking poettering 2017-11-20T00:46:34 < zyp> haha 2017-11-20T00:46:43 < Laurenceb_> so on windows it looks like i need to add a .inf file 2017-11-20T00:46:51 < dongs> infwhat 2017-11-20T00:46:56 < dongs> bro, what version of windows are you using 2017-11-20T00:47:01 < Laurenceb_> any 2017-11-20T00:47:08 < dongs> you didnt need to give a fuck about inf files since like winxp 2017-11-20T00:47:13 < Laurenceb_> wut 2017-11-20T00:47:24 < Laurenceb_> they are still documented on windozer site 2017-11-20T00:47:37 < dongs> Laurenceb_: any hardware bought in the last decade will just haev drivers autoinstalled from windows update 2017-11-20T00:47:49 < zyp> uh, pretty sure usb audio doesn't require vendor drivers on windows 2017-11-20T00:47:50 < Laurenceb_> hmf 2017-11-20T00:47:56 < Laurenceb_> sure it works atm 2017-11-20T00:48:08 < dongs> oh tis USB audio? lol 2017-11-20T00:48:09 < Laurenceb_> but I meant i could overwrite the volume thing 2017-11-20T00:48:16 < Laurenceb_> using a .inf 2017-11-20T00:48:16 < dongs> yeah usb class definitely does not 2017-11-20T00:54:18 < dongs> aweseome. 7.54am, still can't login into online banking 2017-11-20T00:54:21 < dongs> it "opens" at8am 2017-11-20T00:54:28 < dongs> sure glad I'm not in UK 2017-11-20T00:54:38 < dongs> trying to access jap business banking acount 2017-11-20T00:59:32 < karlp> BrainDamage: yeah, proper questions from you of course. building test harness host board to plug all the nucleo64 boards into for locm3 testing. Adding a port for plugging a cheap fx2 logic analyser on, so I can do auto testing with sigrok, 2017-11-20T01:00:21 < karlp> I'm estimating like 20-30mm on the side tap to the logic analyser port, plus 30-40mm or so between target/host. 2017-11-20T01:00:29 < karlp> how fast can I go on the signals before I need to do anything I guess? 2017-11-20T01:00:48 < karlp> i2c/uart are probably fine, spi might have an upper limit? 2017-11-20T01:06:48 < BrainDamage> the highest frequency for squarewaves is 2/trise for signal integrity, assuming say, 30MHz spi that gives us 30ns period, trise would be say, 1/5th of a semiperiod so 30/2/5 ~3ns, so that gives us a frequency of approx ~700MHz for signal integrity, in turn that has a wavelength of c/700MHz ~430mm, now a common ballpark is that when your circuit size is comparable to 1/10th of the wavelength, you start seeing 2017-11-20T01:06:50 < BrainDamage> effects, since you said it's overall 60mm it's more than 40, so yes, it'll distort the signal a bit leaving it dangling there 2017-11-20T01:07:31 * karlp loves you 2017-11-20T01:08:13 < karlp> so, is the solution "throw small series resistors right by the stub off to the dangling trace, so that it dissipates any reflections on that line? 2017-11-20T01:08:25 < karlp> I guess this also then changes when the LA is plugged in/not in too. 2017-11-20T01:09:02 < BrainDamage> the LA tends to be a very high impedance, so it doesn't change a lot when it's in compared to the open circuit case 2017-11-20T01:09:25 < BrainDamage> series termination should work 2017-11-20T01:09:28 < karlp> adds capacitance though, I've foudn that out the hardware with insufficient i2c pullups, but that's already taken care of. 2017-11-20T01:09:51 < karlp> and yeah, just like 22ohm right on the beginning of the stub, by the T-junction? 2017-11-20T01:12:15 < BrainDamage> i forgot the exact value for series termination, it was either 2x or 1/2 of the nominal impedance, if 22 is what you've seen before then i guess it was 1/2 and yes, that should fix it 2017-11-20T01:12:56 < ohsix> naomi wu got dale dougherty 2017-11-20T01:14:08 < BrainDamage> if you feel brave there's faster terminations using clamping diodes and caps, buuut, i'd say to keep it simple first 2017-11-20T01:14:34 < ohsix> doesn't spi have bit timing stuff that doesn't imply you need edges faster than 30mhz? 2017-11-20T01:14:44 < ohsix> or 60 i guess 2017-11-20T01:14:58 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-20T01:15:22 < BrainDamage> if you read i've used 1/5th of a semiperiod for edges 2017-11-20T01:15:43 < ohsix> right 2017-11-20T01:16:01 < ohsix> not a question about what you've said but of spi 2017-11-20T01:19:27 < ohsix> nm forgot there wasn't a specification for spi 2017-11-20T01:20:18 < ohsix> so what's semiperiod in this case, 1/2 is the normal bit time/clock sampling period in most diagrams of spi that i've seen 2017-11-20T01:20:26 < ohsix> just 1/5th of the bit frame or the clock frame? 2017-11-20T01:21:00 < ohsix> or is that nomenclature used in the st docs for the spi controller 2017-11-20T01:22:33 < ohsix> trying too hard to find something to do, guess finding out what you're talking about isn't on the agenda 2017-11-20T01:26:08 < dongs> fuck 2017-11-20T01:26:11 < dongs> im still banned from digikey 2017-11-20T01:27:36 < karlp> ohsix: well, you can run spi as fast as you want. 2017-11-20T01:28:20 < karlp> I'm -probably- going to just wing it. uart and i2c will be fine, spi I can live with <10Mhz anyway really, the cheap LA it's designed to get plugged into only does 24Mhz sampling anyway 2017-11-20T01:28:29 < karlp> s/probably/will/ 2017-11-20T01:28:55 < ohsix> yea but ~everything is defined as a ratio of the stuff, i understand what he means by semiperiod; but haven't seen it used like that by anyone, wondering if it means something else that i dont' actually understand 2017-11-20T01:29:37 < BrainDamage> it's of the clock 2017-11-20T01:30:01 < BrainDamage> bit timings are slave of the clock, it's all what a syncronous protocol does 2017-11-20T01:30:13 < BrainDamage> 10MHz should work ok without adjusting the circuit 2017-11-20T01:30:51 < karlp> kicad might use text files, but ffs, gratuitous reordering of identical elemnts within the files? byebye useful diffs. 2017-11-20T01:31:44 < karlp> thi sis _super_ dumb 2017-11-20T01:31:49 < karlp> eagle does a better job of this 2017-11-20T01:31:56 < ohsix> hm shit, moovee and teevee just died 2017-11-20T01:32:16 < ohsix> BrainDamage: k 2017-11-20T01:32:20 < karlp> man, added a net, it wenbt and renumbered _all_ nets, massive useless diff 2017-11-20T01:32:51 < karlp> .sch diff is sane, are you not meant to version the .net file? 2017-11-20T01:35:24 < ohsix> nice 2017-11-20T01:35:35 < ohsix> in eagle it'll ask you which net you want to keep in the whole net 2017-11-20T01:35:42 < ohsix> does it clobber named nets too? 2017-11-20T01:35:56 < ohsix> or does it just assumed unnamed nets dont' need a name and renumbers without asking 2017-11-20T01:36:00 < ohsix> -d 2017-11-20T01:40:35 < Cracki_> so 30 MBaud SPI rounded up to 700 MHz bw is quite a safety factor 2017-11-20T01:42:24 < ohsix> it's not exactly rounded up, he's talking about the integrity of the fast edge of a square wave 2017-11-20T01:42:30 < Cracki_> yes 2017-11-20T01:42:55 < Cracki_> by nyquist, 15 MHz is the hard limit for signal recovery 2017-11-20T01:43:12 < Cracki_> I'd guess you'd get a nice signal with 150 MHz 2017-11-20T01:43:28 < ohsix> square waves have that infinite frequency content we all know and love 2017-11-20T01:43:33 < Cracki_> yes 2017-11-20T01:43:51 < Cracki_> so the spectral content depends on the drive strength of the IO pins 2017-11-20T01:44:26 < Cracki_> was the question how much degradation a tap for test pads would cause? 2017-11-20T01:53:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-20T01:58:00 < jadew> any ideas on where I can find a schematic or block diagram of the inputs on F4? 2017-11-20T01:58:13 < jadew> the IO pins 2017-11-20T01:59:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T02:00:24 < Cracki_> any particular f4? 2017-11-20T02:00:43 < jadew> no 2017-11-20T02:00:57 < jadew> I assume they're using the same input circuitry on all of them 2017-11-20T02:01:12 < jadew> perhaps across the whole STM32F family 2017-11-20T02:01:25 < Cracki_> ah, you don't mean the pinout 2017-11-20T02:01:40 < jadew> no, I want to drive them outside of the rated parameters 2017-11-20T02:01:52 < jadew> and I want to see how ok that is 2017-11-20T02:03:50 < Cracki_> I think they only list the operating conditions, no actual (or equivalent) circuitry 2017-11-20T02:04:01 < Cracki_> ah I have something 2017-11-20T02:04:08 < Cracki_> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/a2/9c/07/d9/2a/b2/47/dc/CD00004479.pdf/files/CD00004479.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00004479.pdf 2017-11-20T02:04:09 < Cracki_> page 24 2017-11-20T02:04:12 < Cracki_> not sure what I'm seeing 2017-11-20T02:04:29 < Cracki_> only schematic... 2017-11-20T02:04:31 < jadew> awesome 2017-11-20T02:04:45 < jadew> thanks 2017-11-20T02:12:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T02:18:10 < jsoft> Hmm. 2017-11-20T02:19:21 < jsoft> I need to do dsp stuff @ a certain freq/sample rate. I also want to do DSP stuff at a maximum rate. I was pondering thusly -> some sort of timer + interrupt handler sets sample_now to 1, in the dsp loop it goes.. if ( sample_now ) { // do the things }. Seem legit? 2017-11-20T02:20:07 < dongs> or use rtos wait handles in your dsp thread 2017-11-20T02:20:23 < jsoft> im not using an rtos 2017-11-20T02:20:27 < dongs> then whatever works yeah 2017-11-20T02:20:51 < jsoft> I wonder if the HAL stuff has an easy way to set up timers at the nearest desired resolution 2017-11-20T02:20:52 < dongs> is 'dsp loop' the only thing you have going on? 2017-11-20T02:21:01 < dongs> not any simpler than noraml 2017-11-20T02:21:10 < jsoft> well yeah pretty much. It does display stuff, but only after the dsp loop has to change. 2017-11-20T02:21:23 < jsoft> ie, exit 2017-11-20T02:22:55 < Cracki_> would you have concrete numbers for these rates 2017-11-20T02:23:09 < Cracki_> sounds like you want to sample and then process in batches of samples 2017-11-20T02:23:19 < jsoft> nah, I want the rates fixed. 2017-11-20T02:23:28 < jsoft> So I am making a dsp demo board thingy for a school 2017-11-20T02:23:29 < Cracki_> that's no contradiction 2017-11-20T02:23:43 < jsoft> Cracki_, I suppose not :D 2017-11-20T02:24:23 < jsoft> Cracki_, but the guts is, I have some FIR/IIR filters currently which run as fast as possible.. and so there is no timer or anything going on, so the sample rate is currently based on how fast it can process each loop. 2017-11-20T02:24:35 < Cracki_> ic 2017-11-20T02:24:45 < Cracki_> ah so you want timer-triggered ADC 2017-11-20T02:24:55 < Cracki_> and an interrupt routine on that 2017-11-20T02:24:57 < jsoft> After talking to the bloke at school, he would like to have fixed rates ( particuarly for lower order filters where the sample rate ends up being 100's of kHz for ~ 2kHz filters ) 2017-11-20T02:25:07 < Cracki_> yes yes 2017-11-20T02:25:07 < jsoft> yeah I was thinking I can do both 2017-11-20T02:25:14 < Cracki_> set up timer-triggered ADC 2017-11-20T02:25:22 < jsoft> just a simple volatile flag 2017-11-20T02:25:28 < Cracki_> but why 2017-11-20T02:25:33 < jsoft> why what? 2017-11-20T02:25:35 < Cracki_> why free running sampling 2017-11-20T02:25:40 < Cracki_> just trigger it with a timer 2017-11-20T02:25:46 < Cracki_> it'll be nice and all 2017-11-20T02:25:50 < jsoft> The faster it runs the smoother the output 2017-11-20T02:25:54 < Cracki_> sure 2017-11-20T02:26:06 < Cracki_> but how does that hook up? 2017-11-20T02:26:15 < jsoft> What do you mean 2017-11-20T02:26:16 < Cracki_> do you process each adc sample? 2017-11-20T02:26:21 < Cracki_> or do you throw some away? 2017-11-20T02:26:27 < jsoft> I read adc -> process -> set dac 2017-11-20T02:26:29 < Cracki_> or do you throw some _processed_ samples away? 2017-11-20T02:26:36 < Cracki_> ah, you have a DAC too 2017-11-20T02:26:43 < Cracki_> dac rate = adc rate? 2017-11-20T02:26:48 < jsoft> yes 2017-11-20T02:27:00 < Cracki_> ok, then you _don't_ have to think about rate conversion (resampling) 2017-11-20T02:27:24 < jsoft> no but I have to slow down the rate it get's processed for some filters. 2017-11-20T02:27:30 < jsoft> Which essentially means a delay. 2017-11-20T02:27:31 < Cracki_> why? 2017-11-20T02:27:36 < Cracki_> delay or slow down? 2017-11-20T02:27:56 < jsoft> Well effectively 'sample' slower. 2017-11-20T02:28:05 < Cracki_> delay just means you feed some dummy values into the DAC before actual adc values come in 2017-11-20T02:28:09 < Cracki_> huh 2017-11-20T02:28:14 < jsoft> no. 2017-11-20T02:28:17 < Cracki_> so you DO have adc rate != dac rate? 2017-11-20T02:28:22 < jsoft> no. 2017-11-20T02:28:33 < jsoft> I mean delay -> read -> process -> set 2017-11-20T02:28:34 < Cracki_> then how is something going to be slower? 2017-11-20T02:28:53 < Cracki_> what's the purpose of the delay? just lowering the samplgin rate? 2017-11-20T02:28:57 < jsoft> yes 2017-11-20T02:29:05 < Cracki_> ok, so you're not thinking in terms of a timer 2017-11-20T02:29:13 < jsoft> Well I could use a timer. 2017-11-20T02:29:20 < Cracki_> it'd be best I think 2017-11-20T02:29:33 < Cracki_> you'd know the data rate 2017-11-20T02:29:48 < jsoft> And the easiest way I was thinking, was to just loop over a flag ( which changes via the timer ) and then it continues. 2017-11-20T02:29:52 < Cracki_> no need to compute the delay per sample, which would depend on the time the code takes anyway 2017-11-20T02:29:59 < Cracki_> nah, that's not easier 2017-11-20T02:30:00 < jsoft> And that way I can have a fixed sample rate, or maximal 2017-11-20T02:30:15 < jsoft> why is that not easy ? 2017-11-20T02:30:25 < Cracki_> ISRs are easy 2017-11-20T02:30:25 < jsoft> what am I missing here 2017-11-20T02:30:31 < jsoft> yeah? 2017-11-20T02:30:34 < Cracki_> set up the timer to poke ADC regularly 2017-11-20T02:30:45 < Cracki_> adc finished interrupt -> isr for the DSP stuff 2017-11-20T02:30:55 < Cracki_> dsp stuff feeds the dac 2017-11-20T02:31:10 < Cracki_> and then I'm out because I have no idea how your dac wants to be driven 2017-11-20T02:31:22 < jsoft> thats really not that much different from ISR -> set flag; dsp loop checks flag, -> read -> process -> set 2017-11-20T02:31:23 < jsoft> ? 2017-11-20T02:31:49 < Cracki_> the difference being you just made your own interrupt flag 2017-11-20T02:32:09 < jsoft> Oh ok I see what you mean 2017-11-20T02:32:33 < Cracki_> there's also no point in sampling faster than your DSP code can process 2017-11-20T02:32:44 < jsoft> :| 2017-11-20T02:32:50 < jsoft> I do not intend to 2017-11-20T02:33:08 < Cracki_> ah ok so that flag of yours, do you want it to come from a timer, or the ADC conversion? 2017-11-20T02:33:14 < jsoft> timer 2017-11-20T02:33:15 < dongs> who teh fuck is oz robotics 2017-11-20T02:33:24 < dongs> they sent me spam and actualyl keep trying to reply to it 2017-11-20T02:34:08 < Cracki_> you can busy-wait for the timer interrupt flag directly, no need for a timer ISR to set a custom byte somewhere 2017-11-20T02:34:28 < jsoft> Cracki_, yeah I just realized that after you mentioned the 'own interrupt flag' :) 2017-11-20T02:34:31 < Cracki_> the timer would be set up to generate the interrupt, but wouldn't have an ISR 2017-11-20T02:34:49 < dongs> hey waht 2017-11-20T02:34:51 < Cracki_> _if_ you want your dsp code to be an explicit loop rather than an ISR 2017-11-20T02:34:52 < dongs> there's spartan 7 series 2017-11-20T02:34:54 < dongs> from xilinx 2017-11-20T02:35:11 < jsoft> Cracki_, yeah because in some cases I want to run the loop full tit, no timer 2017-11-20T02:35:17 < jsoft> so that would work out well. 2017-11-20T02:35:28 < Cracki_> ic 2017-11-20T02:35:32 < jsoft> save an instruction checking the flag I guses. 2017-11-20T02:35:34 < jsoft> guess 2017-11-20T02:35:44 < jsoft> Hmm 2017-11-20T02:35:46 < Cracki_> saves the ISR setting the bool 2017-11-20T02:35:49 < jsoft> Yeah 2017-11-20T02:36:13 < dongs> sounds like your shit will fail 2017-11-20T02:36:15 < Cracki_> and since you look at some interrupt flag, it might be faster to read than real SRAM 2017-11-20T02:36:51 < Cracki_> (or however this port-mapped stuff works I'm used to from AVRs) 2017-11-20T02:37:15 < jsoft> Sounds like a plan anyway, Cheers Cracki_ :) 2017-11-20T02:38:08 < Cracki_> ok, dsp question of my own: lowpass using gaussian kernel, how is the sigma for some specific cutoff freq figured? 2017-11-20T02:38:27 < Laurenceb_> with matklab 2017-11-20T02:38:38 < dongs> install lunix, run octave 2017-11-20T02:38:43 < jsoft> yeah I use octave 2017-11-20T02:38:50 < dongs> no wonder your shit doesnt work 2017-11-20T02:39:02 < jsoft> dongs, whom ever said it did not work? 2017-11-20T02:39:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T02:39:40 < Cracki_> from playing with values here, it seems the -3dB criterion applies if I take sigma = lambda 2017-11-20T02:39:45 < dongs> what teh hell 2017-11-20T02:39:48 < dongs> i got sent datasheet from 'meticom' 2017-11-20T02:39:53 < dongs> its logo loosk liek a broadcom ripoff 2017-11-20T02:40:09 < dongs> http://meticom.com/rw_common/images/MCsmall.jpg 2017-11-20T02:40:34 < Cracki_> ah, wikipedia seems to agree 2017-11-20T02:46:42 < Cracki_> ah no sigma = 1 / (2 pi f_c) 2017-11-20T02:49:01 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXqduTx_nuI found kikemir's office 2017-11-20T02:53:21 < Laurenceb_> emdrive forumz now at thread 10, page 138 2017-11-20T02:53:22 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2017-11-20T02:53:44 < Laurenceb_> 0 hardware constructed after 5 years 2017-11-20T02:54:14 < Laurenceb_> oh wait I spoke too soon 2017-11-20T02:54:15 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=42978.0;attach=1461263;image 2017-11-20T02:55:16 < dongs> what will come first, emdrive or ftl travel 2017-11-20T02:55:24 < Laurenceb_> prob ftl 2017-11-20T02:55:49 < Laurenceb_> that forum has more shitposting than 4chan + 8chan + wizardchan 2017-11-20T02:55:57 < Cracki_> what they got out of prototypes of the emdrive appears to be on the order of what ion drives can do 2017-11-20T02:56:04 < Laurenceb_> lulwut 2017-11-20T02:56:12 < Laurenceb_> dude its a fan on the ceiling 2017-11-20T02:56:17 < Cracki_> but nobody seems to know if that's just the big fat power cables going to the device 2017-11-20T02:56:20 < Laurenceb_> you can see in some of the videos 2017-11-20T02:56:25 < Cracki_> hahaha 2017-11-20T02:59:45 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39772.0;attach=1106800;image 2017-11-20T02:59:51 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39772.0;attach=1106801;image 2017-11-20T03:00:05 < Laurenceb_> look above his head 2017-11-20T03:00:15 < Laurenceb_> myth: BUSTED 2017-11-20T03:01:14 < englishman> ReadErr: no dox plz 2017-11-20T03:03:16 < Cracki_> https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3177/2961691353_53dfea943d_b.jpg 2017-11-20T03:03:19 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/16/amazon_key_wi_fi_vulnerability/ 2017-11-20T03:03:20 < dongs> fucking lulz 2017-11-20T03:03:31 < Cracki_> nobody saw that coming 2017-11-20T03:04:17 < Cracki_> haha DoS 2017-11-20T03:04:32 < Cracki_> that should also prevent it from UNlocking... 2017-11-20T03:04:41 < Cracki_> unless you can override this garbage from the inside 2017-11-20T03:05:00 < Cracki_> lol @ still frame 2017-11-20T03:05:24 < dongs> fucking lunix 2017-11-20T03:05:43 < dongs> damnit 2017-11-20T03:05:46 < dongs> i need a kerosense pump 2017-11-20T03:05:51 < dongs> something ebtween 1L/minute $10 trash 2017-11-20T03:05:56 < dongs> and 200liter/minute $100 trash 2017-11-20T03:06:01 < dongs> but i cant find anything normal 2017-11-20T03:06:23 < Cracki_> so any old pump, just no plastic parts eh? 2017-11-20T03:06:30 < dongs> electric 2017-11-20T03:06:38 < dongs> but yeah wahtever 2017-11-20T03:06:47 < dongs> looking on ebay for fuel pumps only finding aids 2017-11-20T03:07:08 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/cocks/282386948116 this is too slow, that flow rate seems almost like what you'd get fro mfree flow 2017-11-20T03:07:24 < Cracki_> 10kpc good? https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3177/2961691353_53dfea943d_b.jpg 2017-11-20T03:07:28 < Cracki_> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/DYB-80-electric-kerosene-pump_455374035.html?spm=a2700.7724857.main07.32.5cb7a16aVIKCSH&s=p 2017-11-20T03:07:45 < dongs> haha. 2017-11-20T03:07:48 < dongs> no thats too fucking big 2017-11-20T03:09:03 < Cracki_> 200l/min is ~7l/sec, that's some flow rate 2017-11-20T03:09:10 < Cracki_> wait ~3l 2017-11-20T03:09:35 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/dongs/252711967336 this is ok but kinda expensive 2017-11-20T03:09:42 < Cracki_> I'd figure at least a half inch pipe or you're in trouble. 2017-11-20T03:09:58 < Cracki_> they all look tiny 2017-11-20T03:10:01 < dongs> thats 6l/minute, about what i need 2017-11-20T03:10:26 < Cracki_> ah, 200l/min was a bit generous 2017-11-20T03:11:34 < dongs> Not compatible with alcohol fuels. 2017-11-20T03:11:36 < dongs> what the fuck is that 2017-11-20T03:11:50 < dongs> oh like ethanol and shit 2017-11-20T03:13:27 < englishman> dongs: i also got spam from oz 2017-11-20T03:13:35 < englishman> pretty sure its safe to ignore 2017-11-20T03:13:41 < englishman> all kinds of trash on that site 2017-11-20T03:13:44 < dongs> englishman: lol thats what i thought 2017-11-20T03:13:54 < dongs> yeah looks like some retarded reseller of MAKE:R shit 2017-11-20T03:13:54 < sync> wtf are you heating with 35kBTU?! 2017-11-20T03:14:24 < sync> ah well, that is only like 10kW but still 2017-11-20T03:15:24 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2017-11-20T03:15:29 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T03:15:44 < dongs> oh well fuckit 2017-11-20T03:15:45 < dongs> lazy to search 2017-11-20T03:15:48 < dongs> will jsut buy that hk shit 2017-11-20T03:15:58 < englishman> wouldnt any old fuelpump do 2017-11-20T03:16:05 < englishman> or will diesel rek it 2017-11-20T03:16:29 < dongs> old or new doesnt amtter, i just want the shit to work. 2017-11-20T03:16:40 < englishman> you heat with kerosene? 2017-11-20T03:16:45 < dongs> sup japan 2017-11-20T03:16:50 < englishman> yeah wow 2017-11-20T03:16:55 < englishman> hows that wind turbine doing 2017-11-20T03:16:58 < sync> I love that fact 2017-11-20T03:17:17 < sync> also that nobody insulates their houses properly there 2017-11-20T03:17:19 < dongs> englishman: chian cant guarnatee it wont rust to fuck in 3 years near sea 2017-11-20T03:17:32 < dongs> yeah wifecop walking around house in winter clothes 2017-11-20T03:17:34 < dongs> fuck that shit 2017-11-20T03:17:42 < englishman> isnt there a coastal protection package 2017-11-20T03:18:05 < dongs> Jeffrey Tambor, the star of the Amazon series ▒Transparent,▒ will not return for the show▒s fifth season after two women accused him of sexual misconduct. 2017-11-20T03:18:08 < dongs> lol 2017-11-20T03:18:21 < sync> do you have actual walls or just paper? 2017-11-20T03:18:35 < dongs> empty walls with drywall 2017-11-20T03:18:45 < englishman> his house is custom 2017-11-20T03:18:49 < englishman> not typical jp 2017-11-20T03:18:54 < dongs> yeah but its still shtity 2017-11-20T03:18:57 < dongs> because built by dumb japs 2017-11-20T03:19:12 < englishman> empty walls wtf 2017-11-20T03:19:30 < sync> get some cellulose blown in there 2017-11-20T03:19:38 < sync> that will make some srs difference 2017-11-20T03:20:42 < englishman> place used anime and dakimakura in the walls 2017-11-20T03:23:49 < dongs> k bbl 2017-11-20T03:35:17 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:adbd:e9d8:df79:d095] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-20T03:59:57 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-20T04:02:09 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T04:09:27 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-20T04:10:33 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T04:17:58 < Laurenceb_> >wants a pump 2017-11-20T04:18:02 < Laurenceb_> >lives in nippland 2017-11-20T04:18:10 < Laurenceb_> I dont want to know where this is going 2017-11-20T04:22:52 < Laurenceb_> building insulation is annoyingly expensive 2017-11-20T04:23:14 < Laurenceb_> wonder how far we are away from cost effective vacuum insulation panels 2017-11-20T04:23:32 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 2017-11-20T04:24:33 < Laurenceb_> well - annoyingly expensive unless you go for shitty rockwool or white eps 2017-11-20T04:24:49 < Laurenceb_> which is actually not that bad if you can increase thickness 2017-11-20T04:41:37 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T04:55:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T05:26:36 < upgrdman> so japs dont insulated their walls? 2017-11-20T05:26:38 < upgrdman> wtf why 2017-11-20T06:07:49 < englishman> dont you live in south california 2017-11-20T06:11:33 < aandrew> https://i.redd.it/i9mw3g99uyyz.jpg <-- dongs 2017-11-20T06:20:02 < upgrdman> lol http://www.nbc-2.com/story/36880550/nyc-subway-to-use-gender-neutral-terms-during-announcements 2017-11-20T06:20:16 < upgrdman> When it comes to the New York City subways, there’s no such thing as ladies and gentlemen. 2017-11-20T06:20:16 < upgrdman> Conductors on subway trains have been told to stop addressing passengers as “ladies and gentlemen” when making announcements about delays, detours or other things, and instead use the gender-neutral terms “passengers,” ″riders,” and “everyone.” 2017-11-20T06:22:11 < aandrew> well to be fair, it *is* New York... I bet 40% of their population is gender fluid 2017-11-20T06:23:14 < upgrdman> englishman, yes im in so cal, and ever we arent THAT dumb. insulation in walls is very common. not as much as some frozen wasteland, but some pink fiberglass in the walls in common. 2017-11-20T06:28:49 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T06:29:37 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T06:42:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T06:48:41 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-20T06:48:59 < englishman> >we arent THAT dumb. insulation in walls is very common. 2017-11-20T07:06:35 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-20T07:09:17 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T07:12:25 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-20T07:12:25 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-20T07:13:13 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T08:01:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-20T08:02:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T08:06:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ygvrctpfttxeuqcs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2017-11-20T08:10:01 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-20T08:25:38 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-20T08:51:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T08:51:24 < ohsix> boop 2017-11-20T09:21:10 < ohsix> aandrew: https://twitter.com/bobby/status/932459965968723968 2017-11-20T09:43:15 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T09:43:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8cb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-20T10:00:26 < Thorn> aliexpress stm8s003f3 works 2017-11-20T10:15:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T10:28:36 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T10:28:41 < capacitor> thievery and bullshit 2017-11-20T10:29:29 < dongs> yep 2017-11-20T10:29:37 < dongs> thorn did you fucking expect it not to 2017-11-20T10:31:11 < Thorn> it's aliexpress, anything is possible 2017-11-20T10:32:34 < capacitor> lol 2017-11-20T10:41:00 < capacitor> what did he buy 2017-11-20T10:52:16 < capacitor> come on Thorn you masquerading boy butt lover 2017-11-20T11:22:30 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-20T11:31:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-20T11:31:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T11:47:59 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-20T11:48:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T11:51:02 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-20T11:53:01 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-20T11:57:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T12:17:44 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T12:21:52 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-20T12:30:25 -!- tomeaton17 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 2017-11-20T12:38:31 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:c4f2:6e59:bcc0:f3f] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T12:44:15 -!- tomeaton17 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T12:57:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T13:01:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-20T13:17:20 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T13:22:20 < karlp> https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/2224003/hubfs/FRIDAY_NEWSLETTER/Nov_17_17/14482-01.jpg?width=600&name=14482-01.jpg&t=1510945105948 smells like rpi inside, with that in/out cable connection 2017-11-20T13:25:56 < jpa-> lol 2017-11-20T13:26:07 < jpa-> what is it? 2017-11-20T13:27:53 < ohsix> pan tilt distance sensor 2017-11-20T13:28:50 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T13:31:55 < karlp> some 3d scanner thingy 2017-11-20T13:38:23 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T13:40:49 < kakimir> it's a hack 2017-11-20T13:52:25 < zyp> haha 2017-11-20T13:52:35 < zyp> port pattern doesn't seem to match rpi though 2017-11-20T13:52:52 < zyp> but there's plenty of other shit 2017-11-20T13:53:11 < zyp> I wonder why there's so few SBCs with usb on header pins 2017-11-20T13:54:01 < tomeaton17> I am having trouble flashing my stm32 on a pcb I designed. What are good things to check on the board to try and track down the issue? 2017-11-20T13:54:19 < zyp> what sort of trouble? 2017-11-20T13:55:21 < tomeaton17> When trying to flash with openocd it says its unable to connect to target. When using st-util it says there is a usb error when I try to connect to the chip 2017-11-20T13:55:49 < kakimir> what is your debugger? 2017-11-20T13:56:04 < zyp> check the voltage rail on the board that the chip is getting power and that it's not shorted out 2017-11-20T13:56:16 < tomeaton17> Ok will do 2017-11-20T13:56:41 < kakimir> also reset pin condition per datasheet instructions 2017-11-20T13:56:43 < tomeaton17> I use openocd + gdb 2017-11-20T13:56:45 < zyp> all you need to connect over swd is powering the chip and having the swd lines hooked up correctly 2017-11-20T13:57:26 < kakimir> whay device you use for flashing? 2017-11-20T13:57:41 < zyp> so assuming your tools are sane, chances are big that either the chip is not powered correctly or you messed up the swd signals 2017-11-20T13:59:02 < kakimir> or reset 2017-11-20T13:59:12 < zyp> kakimir, reset shouldn't matter 2017-11-20T13:59:33 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-20T13:59:39 < kakimir> also driver issues 2017-11-20T14:00:13 < kakimir> assumption is that there has not been any setup for the current debugger 2017-11-20T14:00:16 < zyp> I'm assuming the tools are tested on known working hardware prior to this to rule out problems there 2017-11-20T14:00:33 < tomeaton17> I use the st link v2, but yes the tools have been tested on other stm32 chips and they flash fine so its the board 2017-11-20T14:00:51 < zyp> tomeaton17, got a schematic for the board? 2017-11-20T14:01:28 < kakimir> is your chip well supported by your installed version of openocd? 2017-11-20T14:01:46 < zyp> kakimir, why are you bringing up shit that doesn't matter? 2017-11-20T14:02:25 < zyp> it's irrelevant how well the chip is supported, the swd interface is the same, the differences doesn't matter until after the target is connected 2017-11-20T14:02:31 < tomeaton17> yes I have used this chip extensively with my current setup 2017-11-20T14:02:41 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-20T14:05:25 < tomeaton17> zyp: https://i.imgur.com/AhSc3hM.png yeah its not getting power. Weird because when I first got the board it was. I know this is a bad schematic and a lot of stuff is left out but dont hate me 2017-11-20T14:06:05 < zyp> oh, one of those small f0s, cute 2017-11-20T14:06:45 < kakimir> battery monitor? 2017-11-20T14:06:48 < kakimir> sweet 2017-11-20T14:07:12 < tomeaton17> yeah. So the f0 is meant to be powerered by the other chip, which outputs 3.3v when its powered on. 2017-11-20T14:07:14 < kakimir> 4cell rite 2017-11-20T14:07:17 < tomeaton17> Yeah 2017-11-20T14:07:30 < kakimir> can I ask what it's to be? 2017-11-20T14:07:58 < tomeaton17> So for the BQ to poweron it needs a rising edge on pin 6 so I am assuming it doesnt get that 2017-11-20T14:08:32 < tomeaton17> its for a quadcopter 2017-11-20T14:09:10 < kakimir> you plan to do more than battery monitoring with that F04? 2017-11-20T14:09:49 < tomeaton17> the f0 is to communicate with the computer on the drone 2017-11-20T14:12:12 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-20T14:17:10 < qyx> the ntc connection is a bit weird, isn't it? 2017-11-20T14:17:42 < kakimir> looks like a hack 2017-11-20T14:18:27 < kakimir> 1uF cap as a "boot button" 2017-11-20T14:18:46 < qyx> I don't get it entirely 2017-11-20T14:19:03 < qyx> also the gnd connection between the first and second cell 2017-11-20T14:19:31 < kakimir> yeah 2017-11-20T14:19:42 < kakimir> weird 2017-11-20T14:20:21 < kakimir> tomeaton17: did you reference to datasheet when placing 1uF cap instead of push button? 2017-11-20T14:20:34 < qyx> what push button 2017-11-20T14:20:58 < tomeaton17> The ground connection was recommended by the ti datasheet 2017-11-20T14:20:59 < kakimir> in simplified example 2017-11-20T14:21:32 < kakimir> tomeaton17: it's problematic if you connect that to your control board that is referenced to cell 0 2017-11-20T14:21:42 < kakimir> at 0volt of pack 2017-11-20T14:21:53 < kakimir> or is it? 2017-11-20T14:22:41 < tomeaton17> No I didnt reference datasheet, but I breadboarded this and it worked as planned. I believe the problem is that pin 6 on u2 is not getting the required voltage spike which should come from the cap 2017-11-20T14:22:43 < tomeaton17> I am not really sure 2017-11-20T14:23:57 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:c4f2:6e59:bcc0:f3f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-20T14:24:14 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:c4f2:6e59:bcc0:f3f] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T14:28:16 < qyx> tomeaton17: I think you forgot to connect the actuall battery pack negative terminal to your ground 2017-11-20T14:28:21 < qyx> -l 2017-11-20T14:28:29 < kakimir> tomeaton17: did you simulate your boot up circuit? 2017-11-20T14:29:03 < qyx> tomeaton17: pin 5 of the P2 connector 2017-11-20T14:29:39 < kakimir> and doesn't your boot up circuit cause massive noise for your temperature measurements when quad takes off? 2017-11-20T14:30:10 < kakimir> you need some sort of latching to it 2017-11-20T14:30:29 < tomeaton17> No I havent simulated it. Yeah that seems like a problem I will add a bodge wire. and finally I am not sure about noise. Just to make it clear I am a pre uni intern so I am kinda out of my depth a bit 2017-11-20T14:30:58 < kakimir> maybe replace cap with pmos 2017-11-20T14:31:04 < kakimir> gate connected to 3v3 2017-11-20T14:31:32 < kakimir> when 3v3 is alive pmos will open circuit 2017-11-20T14:31:57 < englishman> nah stm32 is a good beginner platform. gets you in the deep end of the pool 2017-11-20T14:32:07 < kakimir> llol 2017-11-20T14:32:09 < kakimir> no 2017-11-20T14:32:22 < kakimir> it's learning to swim 2017-11-20T14:32:45 < qyx> tomeaton17: also you should connect your ld1117 before the 100R resistor otherwise it may influence your measurement 2017-11-20T14:33:17 < qyx> and caps, we need more caps 2017-11-20T14:33:33 < kakimir> is there bypassing? 2017-11-20T14:33:50 < kakimir> no 2017-11-20T14:33:59 < kakimir> LD1117 requires some 2017-11-20T14:34:10 < kakimir> was it at least in output 2017-11-20T14:34:23 < kakimir> if input is low impendance 2017-11-20T14:34:35 < kakimir> let's say directly to lipo 2017-11-20T14:34:58 < kakimir> but still it needs... 100n at least in input 2017-11-20T14:38:42 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:c4f2:6e59:bcc0:f3f] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-20T14:40:55 < kakimir> hmm that pmos thing... it needs 3v3 source for boot up voltage so that logic level gate would work 2017-11-20T14:41:09 < kakimir> I mean cell side of it 2017-11-20T14:42:26 < kakimir> These are measured by applying a factory-trimmed internal 10-k pull-up resistance to an 2017-11-20T14:42:29 < kakimir> internal regulator value of nominally 3.3 V 2017-11-20T14:42:35 < kakimir> TS1 2017-11-20T14:42:58 < aandrew> word 2017-11-20T14:43:08 < tomeaton17> yeah the ld1117 part is bad I know that 2017-11-20T14:43:22 < tomeaton17> So replace the cap with a pmos gate 2017-11-20T14:43:28 < kakimir> if there was to say 4.2 in source pin of pmos there would be -0.9V gate voltage 2017-11-20T14:43:55 < kakimir> that would leave boot up circuit closed 2017-11-20T14:44:30 < kakimir> in quad copter ld1117 is fine.. you are not saving power there 2017-11-20T14:45:25 < kakimir> you could use some pmos that has higher gate threshold than -0.9 but lower than -2,7V 2017-11-20T14:46:19 < kakimir> something like -1,8V or so 2017-11-20T14:46:43 < tomeaton17> the ld1117 is for the acs770 2017-11-20T14:46:52 < kakimir> but you don't need to boot it up when cell voltage is -2,7V 2017-11-20T14:47:43 < kakimir> so even gate threshold -2,7V would probably do 2017-11-20T14:49:20 < kakimir> maybe add RC circuit for gate for some delay if you feel like it 2017-11-20T14:50:10 < kakimir> tomeaton17: yeah it's 5volt device 2017-11-20T14:50:17 < karlp> why does tomeaton have such big decoupling caps? 2017-11-20T14:51:09 < qyx> wtf DFN8 to DIP adapter 11€ 2017-11-20T14:51:15 < kakimir> tomeaton17: is there missing ground connection in stm32 VSS? 2017-11-20T14:51:22 < kakimir> it lacks joint 2017-11-20T14:51:40 < kakimir> did your schematic pass the tests? 2017-11-20T14:51:58 < kakimir> I don't remember how eagle works in terms of those joint things 2017-11-20T14:52:15 < qyx> is it eagle? 2017-11-20T14:52:26 < tomeaton17> no its kicad 2017-11-20T14:52:42 < kakimir> oh.. it is 2017-11-20T14:53:05 < tomeaton17> Ah I managed to get it to flash, yeah the problem is that the bq is not getting turned on 2017-11-20T14:54:01 < kakimir> it says it can take 2ms to boot and then regulator may have it's own delay 2017-11-20T14:54:25 < kakimir> max threshold is 1V 2017-11-20T14:54:38 < dongs> kakimir: < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXqduTx_nuI found kikemir's office 2017-11-20T14:55:04 < kakimir> too clean 2017-11-20T14:55:07 < rajkosto> hey 2017-11-20T14:55:22 < rajkosto> i need a 10gbps, cat7 compatible rj45 socket for my pcb 2017-11-20T14:55:28 < rajkosto> WITHOUT magnetics 2017-11-20T14:55:40 < dongs> 10gbpwhats 2017-11-20T14:55:46 < aandrew> that's simple. SFP+ 2017-11-20T14:55:50 < aandrew> problem solved. next? 2017-11-20T14:56:06 < rajkosto> and chea 2017-11-20T14:56:12 < rajkosto> no optics 2017-11-20T14:56:13 < dongs> SFP is fucking cheap 2017-11-20T14:56:17 < aandrew> lol 10gbps for cheap 2017-11-20T14:56:24 < dongs> i buy 3meter sfp+ copper cables for like $10 2017-11-20T14:56:28 < dongs> how much cheaper do you want it 2017-11-20T14:56:34 < rajkosto> dongs, but those need transcievers 2017-11-20T14:56:34 < dongs> thats including both SFP ends 2017-11-20T14:56:37 < dongs> no 2017-11-20T14:57:12 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/111843638475 2017-11-20T14:57:15 < dongs> this sorta trash 2017-11-20T14:57:33 < kakimir> so you have 3v -> 1uF cap - 10k - measurement point th=1V - ~5k of parallel pulldowns 2017-11-20T14:57:37 < aandrew> how much is that meticom chip 2017-11-20T14:57:43 < rajkosto> i just need a connector 2017-11-20T14:57:44 < rajkosto> socket 2017-11-20T14:57:44 < dongs> aandrew: the one i linked? 2017-11-20T14:57:45 < kakimir> you want to simulate that tomeaton17? 2017-11-20T14:57:49 < dongs> no idea, its german shit 2017-11-20T14:57:50 < rajkosto> i will use normal cat7 cable 2017-11-20T14:57:52 < aandrew> dongs: yeah 2017-11-20T14:57:55 < dongs> they have public datasheets on site 2017-11-20T14:58:01 < aandrew> yeah I noticed 2017-11-20T14:58:03 < aandrew> surprising 2017-11-20T14:58:05 < dongs> im not quite sure what problem tis solving 2017-11-20T14:58:21 < dongs> just level shifting for dphy? 2017-11-20T14:58:36 < aandrew> most times when you talk anything high data rate it's locked down super sekrit bullshit where they want a semen sample before they'll give you an email address 2017-11-20T14:58:46 < aandrew> no 2017-11-20T14:58:50 < aandrew> MIPI-parallel 2017-11-20T14:59:05 < dongs> i dont think thats waht it does 2017-11-20T14:59:16 < aandrew> The MC20001 is a high performance FPGA bridge IC, which converts a single MIPI D-PHY compliant 2017-11-20T14:59:19 < aandrew> input stream into LVDS high speed and CMOS low speed output data streams. 2017-11-20T14:59:23 < dongs> right 2017-11-20T14:59:28 < dongs> cmos low speed = paralell? 2017-11-20T14:59:38 < aandrew> yep 2017-11-20T14:59:55 < dongs> but block diagram doesnt show parallel 2017-11-20T15:00:00 < dongs> just shows lvds P/N shit 2017-11-20T15:00:00 < aandrew> er no 2017-11-20T15:00:03 < dongs> for both high and slow speed 2017-11-20T15:00:03 < aandrew> sorry 2017-11-20T15:00:05 < aandrew> you're right 2017-11-20T15:00:08 < aandrew> it's a level translator 2017-11-20T15:00:08 < aandrew> oh 2017-11-20T15:00:09 < aandrew> I sere 2017-11-20T15:00:11 < aandrew> see 2017-11-20T15:00:30 < dongs> i think you still need ~gbps stuff on the output ends 2017-11-20T15:00:30 < aandrew> you know how MIPI has that bullshit LVDS layered with the goofy low speed shit? 2017-11-20T15:00:32 < aandrew> this breaks it out 2017-11-20T15:00:34 < aandrew> yes 2017-11-20T15:00:35 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-20T15:00:36 < aandrew> your'er right 2017-11-20T15:00:45 < aandrew> it's essentially a level shifter 2017-11-20T15:00:59 < dongs> LP for that slow mode 2017-11-20T15:01:01 < rajkosto> dongs, https://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimited-Shielded-600Mhz-Patch/dp/B0028BBGF2 2017-11-20T15:01:03 < aandrew> MIPI in, 2 interfaces (HS LVDS and LS LVDS) out 2017-11-20T15:01:19 < rajkosto> aandrew, arent those super expensive chips 2017-11-20T15:01:23 < dongs> rajkosto: now find a 10gbe card with RJ45 sockets for cheap 2017-11-20T15:01:31 < aandrew> basically it does what a pair of resistors and some screwing around with FPGA ports can do 2017-11-20T15:01:33 < dongs> mellanox connect2 SFP+ stuff is like $20-30 on ebay 2017-11-20T15:01:56 < aandrew> rajkosto: no, dongs linked a toshiba chip that does mipi-parallel 2017-11-20T15:02:04 < dongs> ya a while back 2017-11-20T15:02:39 < dongs> toshiba has a bunch of mipi shit. with register 'documentation' as locked excel files with VBA macros :( 2017-11-20T15:02:47 < tomeaton17> what would you recommend for simulation 2017-11-20T15:03:00 < dongs> so you enter shit like rez/porch/etc and it spits out register write config 2017-11-20T15:03:09 < qyx> rajkosto: use a cat6/cat6a connectors 2017-11-20T15:03:12 < qyx> -a 2017-11-20T15:03:32 < rajkosto> qyx, yes thats what im asking, which socket for PCB can actually not degrade the 10gbps signal 2017-11-20T15:03:44 < dongs> .. 2017-11-20T15:03:57 < dongs> waht are you connecting it to 2017-11-20T15:04:00 < aandrew> lol eevblog shit asking about banked memory for Z80 2017-11-20T15:04:09 < rajkosto> dongs, pci-express lanes 2017-11-20T15:04:18 < dongs> use fucking USB3 cable 2017-11-20T15:04:22 < dongs> thats what every chink does 2017-11-20T15:04:26 < rajkosto> not enough lanes ! 2017-11-20T15:04:32 < dongs> then use 2 usb3 cables 2017-11-20T15:04:36 < qyx> lol 2017-11-20T15:04:36 < rajkosto> ethernet cable gives me 4x 2017-11-20T15:04:39 < dongs> pcie will work over coat hangers 2017-11-20T15:04:43 < rajkosto> which is what i want 2017-11-20T15:04:44 < dongs> so just use any random socket 2017-11-20T15:04:45 < dongs> and dont care 2017-11-20T15:04:50 < aandrew> rajkosto: careful design, using high speed connectors designed for this shit (PCIe, USB3, SATA) and a baord house who isn't lying about impedance control 2017-11-20T15:05:23 < qyx> I would try hdmi/dp cables then 2017-11-20T15:05:29 < rajkosto> 3 lanes 2017-11-20T15:05:29 < dongs> yeah, ^ this 2017-11-20T15:05:31 < rajkosto> not enough 2017-11-20T15:05:34 < dongs> DP is 4 lanes 2017-11-20T15:05:35 < dongs> done 2017-11-20T15:05:52 < dongs> and you got more pins for other random shit 2017-11-20T15:05:58 < aandrew> the FIB/SEM system I was part of design put everything over PCIe connectors and used a quality board house. the entire 11x17" motherboard was nothing but length-matched diffpairs 2017-11-20T15:06:05 < dongs> and even cheapass DP cables will do 20gbps 2017-11-20T15:06:18 < dongs> (not per lane but wahtever) 2017-11-20T15:06:22 < aandrew> aren't DP cables active? 2017-11-20T15:06:24 < dongs> no 2017-11-20T15:06:29 < aandrew> even better 2017-11-20T15:06:30 < dongs> wtf why would tehy be 2017-11-20T15:06:51 < dongs> https://bitguru.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/displayport_pinout11a.gif 2017-11-20T15:06:52 < aandrew> dp3 talks about active cables 2017-11-20T15:07:09 < aandrew> er not dp3, tb3 2017-11-20T15:07:26 < dongs> are TB3 specs/datasheets actually downloadable these days 2017-11-20T15:07:30 < dongs> intel claimed they went "open" 2017-11-20T15:07:35 < dongs> i checked shitboltdeveloper.org 2017-11-20T15:07:38 < dongs> everything is behind paywall 2017-11-20T15:07:41 < rajkosto> dongs, why does the cable internally reverse shit 2017-11-20T15:07:47 < aandrew> I don't know but I pissed off the thunderbolt SIG secretary 2017-11-20T15:07:48 < dongs> rajkosto: just the way dp works 2017-11-20T15:07:56 < aandrew> for three years I wrote them asking for membership but they always turned me down 2017-11-20T15:08:00 < rajkosto> whats wrong with rj45 and short cables 2017-11-20T15:08:00 < dongs> haha 2017-11-20T15:08:07 < aandrew> finally whoever was runnign the email just said "stahp" 2017-11-20T15:08:11 < rajkosto> all pci-e will do if it cant do 3.0 speeds is do 2.0 speeds, its fine 2017-11-20T15:08:46 < dongs> anyway, qyx fucking rules. 2017-11-20T15:08:51 < dongs> shut the hell up and use DP 2017-11-20T15:08:55 < aandrew> qyx? 2017-11-20T15:09:02 < aandrew> oh with the DP idea 2017-11-20T15:09:02 < dongs> < qyx> I would try hdmi/dp cables then 2017-11-20T15:09:03 < aandrew> yeah 2017-11-20T15:09:04 < dongs> yes 2017-11-20T15:09:17 < aandrew> HDMI2.0 cables are cheap too and supposed to be good for 4k 2017-11-20T15:09:21 < aandrew> speaking of which 2017-11-20T15:09:22 < dongs> i mean, shitbolt2 was literally running over minidisplayport connector 2017-11-20T15:09:27 < aandrew> dongs: dcc me a nice 4k monitor 2017-11-20T15:09:29 < aandrew> help a brother out 2017-11-20T15:09:29 < dongs> so you already know it wokrs 2017-11-20T15:10:06 < dongs> and you even get a lowspeed channel for stuff(tm) and a couple GPIO pins (config1/2 2017-11-20T15:10:18 < dongs> all over same cable 2017-11-20T15:10:26 < kakimir> tomeaton17: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13BGZP3MB4IjW6eocj-RtQTvFd7ylkDtJ/view?usp=sharing 2017-11-20T15:10:29 < dongs> btw don't expect DP_PWR to be connected in the cable 2017-11-20T15:10:42 < dongs> its its only for captive cables 2017-11-20T15:10:45 < dongs> (as the diagram shows) 2017-11-20T15:10:56 < kakimir> in this case it was 3cells = 9v in worst case 2017-11-20T15:11:31 < kakimir> 5k = 10k NTC + 10k internal pulldown 2017-11-20T15:12:52 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:8479:3565:6b04:f7da] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T15:13:23 < kakimir> wait.. internal pull up it has.. let's concider it's pull down in this case 2017-11-20T15:13:41 < kakimir> +3v3 rail is zero anyway 2017-11-20T15:14:58 < dongs> kikemir who teh fuck are you taklin to 2017-11-20T15:15:09 < kakimir> myself 2017-11-20T15:15:13 < dongs> k 2017-11-20T15:20:05 < rajkosto> dongs, i dont like the DP twist of the pins 2017-11-20T15:20:17 < aandrew> hahaha 2017-11-20T15:20:24 < aandrew> (talking about the mars skycrane system) 2017-11-20T15:20:25 < aandrew> "A friend and I tried building a model skycrane using estes rocket motors and a drone stabilizationcontrol board. The result was two old dudes sprinting for cover as it pinwheeled after us." 2017-11-20T15:20:34 < tomeaton17> Cool ok, apart from the bootup the board works fine 2017-11-20T15:20:52 < aandrew> rajkosto: what don't you like about the twist of the pins? 2017-11-20T15:21:40 < rajkosto> it means i have to put one of the connectors upside down i think 2017-11-20T15:21:40 < dongs> rajkosto: .... 2017-11-20T15:21:46 < dongs> why does it even matters? 2017-11-20T15:21:50 < rajkosto> in order to achieve straight through 2017-11-20T15:21:51 < dongs> -s 2017-11-20T15:21:56 < dongs> rajkosto: no 2017-11-20T15:22:11 < dongs> SINK and SOURCE pinout is reversed 2017-11-20T15:22:13 < aandrew> he's just autisming now. I get the same way when I get it in my head that something MUST be a way for no other reason than my pigheadedness 2017-11-20T15:22:31 < dongs> i have footprints for both, beacuse thats how it works 2017-11-20T15:22:33 < rajkosto> dongs, in the cable the wires are twisted 2017-11-20T15:22:45 < dongs> wehn you're making a display, pinout is A, and when you're making a dp source, pinout is B 2017-11-20T15:22:53 < dongs> that considers the twist of the cable 2017-11-20T15:22:53 < dongs> the end 2017-11-20T15:22:57 < rajkosto> i am not though 2017-11-20T15:23:09 < dongs> then get fucked and use USB-C 2017-11-20T15:23:14 < dongs> so you can twist it even more. 2017-11-20T15:23:18 < rajkosto> i just want the lanes straight through, so the sink connector will have to be like upside dow 2017-11-20T15:23:24 < dongs> ... 2017-11-20T15:23:29 < dongs> mfkr 2017-11-20T15:23:38 < dongs> (also, they DO make reverse mount DP sockets 2017-11-20T15:23:40 < dongs> for autists like you 2017-11-20T15:23:44 < dongs> wehre plug goes in abckwards 2017-11-20T15:23:53 < rajkosto> ok give me part numbers for 2 with footprints 2017-11-20T15:23:58 < kakimir> ##autism32 2017-11-20T15:24:19 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-20T15:24:23 < aandrew> "do my homework for me" 2017-11-20T15:24:54 < rajkosto> he has clearly used it since he knows it all 2017-11-20T15:25:12 < dongs> DP1RD20JQ2-R1 for reverse and literally a dozen for standard 2017-11-20T15:25:49 < dongs> jae has fucking hell digikey still has me banned 2017-11-20T15:26:26 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/206/jae%20electronics_mb-0192-1e_dp1-1170938.pdf page 4 or so, cba wasting my time getting datasheet off jae.com 2017-11-20T15:26:27 < kakimir> digikey ban? how do you get one? 2017-11-20T15:26:31 < dongs> kakimir: not sure 2017-11-20T15:26:33 < dongs> i think its by IP 2017-11-20T15:26:59 < kakimir> tagged as troublematic client? 2017-11-20T15:27:11 < dongs> my other office with another IP can access it fine 2017-11-20T15:27:14 < dongs> but on same class C 2017-11-20T15:27:17 < aandrew> lolwut 2017-11-20T15:27:18 < kakimir> so did you VPN? 2017-11-20T15:27:21 < aandrew> dongs: you got banned from digikey?? 2017-11-20T15:27:21 < dongs> so im guessing i did something really bad 2017-11-20T15:27:24 < dongs> yea 2017-11-20T15:27:33 < aandrew> wtf how the hell did you manage that? 2017-11-20T15:27:39 < kakimir> but you were not logged in? 2017-11-20T15:27:40 < dongs> i liveshatted them and theyt said they'll get back to me monday usa time 2017-11-20T15:27:41 < aandrew> you don't shit where you eat so I know you didn't troll them 2017-11-20T15:27:44 < dongs> not logged in 2017-11-20T15:27:51 < dongs> just searching for stuff 2017-11-20T15:27:54 < dongs> and then suddenly bant 2017-11-20T15:27:59 < dongs> i thought it was jsut a temporary shit 2017-11-20T15:28:03 < dongs> but its been liek 3 days 2017-11-20T15:28:18 < kakimir> you harrashed them for sure? 2017-11-20T15:28:30 < dongs> any computer/phone in my place = ban, another IP a couple digits off same class C = OK 2017-11-20T15:28:53 < aandrew> we need a quote bot 2017-11-20T15:28:58 < aandrew> that's one for the archives 2017-11-20T15:29:14 < dongs> i'm curious to find out waht the problem is 2017-11-20T15:29:34 < aandrew> just call up the local office and start cursing in japanese 2017-11-20T15:29:34 < rajkosto> dongs, i love when these pdfs have bitmapped diagrams i cant zoom into 2017-11-20T15:29:50 < dongs> rajkosto: displayport pinout is standartized 2017-11-20T15:30:06 < rajkosto> im clearly gonna need 3d models for these :P 2017-11-20T15:30:09 < dongs> the reverse one just moves the 20pins mirrored across axis 2017-11-20T15:30:14 < dongs> they exist, jae has them 2017-11-20T15:30:17 < dongs> and TE 2017-11-20T15:30:21 < dongs> and otehrs 2017-11-20T15:30:26 < kakimir> they didn't bother to track down your cookies to your account thought 2017-11-20T15:30:41 < kakimir> nothing serious 2017-11-20T15:30:44 < dongs> kikemir, i cant even login 2017-11-20T15:30:50 < dongs> anything other than front page = bant 2017-11-20T15:30:57 < dongs> including live shat 2017-11-20T15:31:00 < kakimir> screenshoot 2017-11-20T15:31:02 < dongs> i had to chat them from the other machine 2017-11-20T15:31:10 < dongs> There was a problem with your request. 2017-11-20T15:31:10 < dongs> We are unable to process your request. 2017-11-20T15:31:11 < dongs> Please return to the previous page to try again or contact Digi-Key Webmaster if you feel that you have received this message in error. Please reference the following incident number so we may assist you with this error. 2017-11-20T15:31:15 < dongs> this shit 2017-11-20T15:31:32 < kakimir> clear your browser? 2017-11-20T15:31:44 < dongs> dude 2017-11-20T15:31:51 < dongs> its same shit across several computers/phoens 2017-11-20T15:31:54 < dongs> its not a particular PC issue 2017-11-20T15:31:54 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-20T15:31:57 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-20T15:32:09 < aandrew> I bet thge parts list you had was tripping off flags for NK guidance computers 2017-11-20T15:32:10 < dongs> i connected to it from XP/IE6 in vm 2017-11-20T15:32:16 < dongs> which has never browsed to digikey.com 2017-11-20T15:32:17 < dongs> and same shit 2017-11-20T15:32:28 < dongs> i can only hope 2017-11-20T15:34:32 < dongs> ok i forgot im paying for VPN 2017-11-20T15:34:35 < dongs> i guess ill use that from VM 2017-11-20T15:34:39 < dongs> isntead of RDP'ing to other office 2017-11-20T15:34:55 < dongs> fucking garbage. 2017-11-20T15:35:42 < kakimir> http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/installations/czech/pardubice/P9010151.JPG some optical networking 2017-11-20T15:35:47 < kakimir> 2001 tech 2017-11-20T15:35:55 < aandrew> just remember not to troll the livechat from the VM 2017-11-20T15:35:56 < dongs> oooooooooooooooooooold 2017-11-20T15:35:58 < aandrew> 'er VPN 2017-11-20T15:42:20 < dongs> ronja was taht 10mbps aids 2017-11-20T15:42:39 < dongs> made by chechz with bullshit deadbugged pcbs 2017-11-20T15:43:01 < dongs> http://www2.sipwerk.com/cardboard_detail_070309.JPG 2017-11-20T15:43:29 < dongs> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ac/0d/32/ac0d323dd6fcfa5e6ef4460058dd6710--radio-ham-mint-tins.jpg no more like this 2017-11-20T15:43:41 < dongs> wheer you jsut have shit floating inside a metal case or on top of copper plane 2017-11-20T15:43:47 < dongs> with blobs of solder everwhere 2017-11-20T15:43:51 < kakimir> it's simplicity is beatyful 2017-11-20T15:43:55 < kakimir> beautiful* 2017-11-20T15:44:22 < kakimir> make it as simple as possible 2017-11-20T15:44:40 < Ultrasauce> why use manhattan-style construction when you can go full harlem 2017-11-20T15:45:37 < aandrew> haha 2017-11-20T15:46:12 < aandrew> I agree with kakimir on this: super sensitive radio stuff usually has this kind of construction. minimizes capacitance and shitloads of shielding 2017-11-20T15:53:14 < aandrew> done right it really can look great 2017-11-20T15:56:18 < rajkosto> how does the "cardboard" one work ?! 2017-11-20T15:56:22 < rajkosto> what material is that 2017-11-20T15:58:45 < kakimir> is it blink competititon entry? 2017-11-20T16:04:59 < kakimir> http://oh2eat.dy.fi/hfsoftaradio.jpg full harlem? 2017-11-20T16:06:35 < dongs> gross 2017-11-20T16:06:46 < rajkosto> that blue pcb is a FX2 cheapo from chyna 2017-11-20T16:06:46 < aandrew> yikes 2017-11-20T16:06:56 < dongs> i see months later chrome still insists opening a huge GUI on 4K screens 2017-11-20T16:07:05 < aandrew> that's like fucking somalia architecture 2017-11-20T16:07:32 < aandrew> afghani suicide bomber architecture 2017-11-20T16:08:24 < karlp> that's amazeballs 2017-11-20T16:08:58 < englishman> dongs did you see tesla's semi truck innovation 2017-11-20T16:09:00 < englishman> TWO ipads 2017-11-20T16:09:59 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T16:15:35 < tomeaton17> kakimir: Can you explain what "tran 0.01" means in the image you sent please 2017-11-20T16:16:57 < Ultrasauce> transient analysis 2017-11-20T16:17:03 < Thorn> wtf https://www.keysight.com/upload/cmc_upload/CLP_HHSkin2.jpg 2017-11-20T16:19:01 < dongs> needs pokemon 2017-11-20T16:23:32 < kakimir> when you click analysis it generates that directive 2017-11-20T16:23:46 < kakimir> 0.01 is 10milliseconds 2017-11-20T16:24:05 < kakimir> startup means power supplies start from 0volts 2017-11-20T16:24:13 < kakimir> trans means type of analysis 2017-11-20T16:24:23 < kakimir> tran* 2017-11-20T16:25:00 < tomeaton17> Ok thanks for the explanation 2017-11-20T16:25:10 < kakimir> it's like the most basic type of analysis where circuit is being run for certain time and you can see stuff happen in time axis 2017-11-20T16:25:36 < kakimir> .ic directive means initial condition 2017-11-20T16:25:48 < kakimir> so I make sure cap is at 0% charge 2017-11-20T16:26:26 < kakimir> by setting all potentials to 0 2017-11-20T16:27:19 < kakimir> there is some logic how those caps initial condition is set when no directives state it but usually it goes weird 2017-11-20T16:29:39 < kakimir> LTspice is free you should try it 2017-11-20T16:29:49 < kakimir> replicate that desing for example 2017-11-20T16:31:12 < kakimir> it's user interface is notorious for it's own rules how everything is done 2017-11-20T16:31:29 < kakimir> just to warn you 2017-11-20T16:32:04 < tomeaton17> Ok I will give it a go. Also the board seems to be getting quite hot 2017-11-20T16:32:18 < kakimir> it shouldn't 2017-11-20T16:32:40 < kakimir> ld1117 going ballistic? 2017-11-20T16:33:10 < tomeaton17> No, I think its the BQ 2017-11-20T16:39:57 < dongs> haha what 2017-11-20T16:40:04 < dongs> iphones turn off when ambient temperature is below zero 2017-11-20T16:40:15 < dongs> like -4 or someshit 2017-11-20T16:40:21 < dongs> is this new 2017-11-20T16:41:21 < dongs> https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/2839705/why-iphone-battery-down-cold-weather/ 2017-11-20T16:43:21 < tomeaton17> The bq is getting way too hot 50c plus 2017-11-20T16:43:28 < dongs> BBQ 2017-11-20T16:43:30 < dongs> what BQ? 2017-11-20T16:43:44 < tomeaton17> The BQ76920 on my board 2017-11-20T16:43:56 < dongs> it should not be getting hot 2017-11-20T16:43:57 < dongs> you fucked up 2017-11-20T16:44:43 < tomeaton17> yeah I have realised that, but not really sure what is making it hot 2017-11-20T16:44:47 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-20T16:45:08 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T16:47:40 < zyp> tomeaton17, why not? it's obvious 2017-11-20T16:48:18 < zyp> if a voltage regulator is getting hot and you're measuring no voltage on the output rail, the output rail is shorted 2017-11-20T16:48:43 < tomeaton17> zyp: Its not the voltage regulator 2017-11-20T16:49:50 < zyp> I'm talking about the voltage regulator in the BQ 2017-11-20T16:50:00 < zyp> between the REGSRC and REGOUT pins 2017-11-20T16:50:07 < zyp> you're using that to make your 3.3V, right? 2017-11-20T16:50:13 < tomeaton17> Yeah 2017-11-20T16:50:25 < zyp> yeah? 2017-11-20T16:51:13 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T16:51:51 < tomeaton17> Yeah I am using that for the 3.3V. And yes there does appear to be a short 2017-11-20T16:52:09 < dongs> PRO'd 2017-11-20T16:53:23 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-20T16:53:33 < tomeaton17> Now time to find it.. 2017-11-20T16:54:59 < dongs> thermal camera that shti 2017-11-20T16:55:04 < dongs> you can see which traces heat up 2017-11-20T16:55:38 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-20T16:56:38 < dongs> http://www.newsweek.com/fake-apollo-moon-landing-photo-claims-show-proof-mission-was-hoax-716221 haha 2017-11-20T16:56:44 < dongs> it made it into newsweek 2017-11-20T16:57:41 < englishman> >conspiracy theorists convinced 2017-11-20T16:57:45 < englishman> quality journalism 2017-11-20T16:58:45 < tomeaton17> Unfortunately I dont think we have a thermal camera.. 2017-11-20T17:00:32 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF0hiVnD2Dw 2017-11-20T17:00:47 < englishman> hi 2017-11-20T17:00:51 < englishman> is this the same guy 2017-11-20T17:00:58 < englishman> oooh lada niva 2017-11-20T17:01:52 < englishman> wow 2017-11-20T17:02:15 < Thorn> pluggable screw terminals are more expensive than stm8 x_x 2017-11-20T17:02:32 < englishman> stm8 is gr8 2017-11-20T17:02:47 < Thorn> spot the stm8 https://i.imgur.com/OgmzYz7.jpg 2017-11-20T17:03:03 < dongs> bottom left obv 2017-11-20T17:03:05 < dongs> tssop20 2017-11-20T17:03:09 < englishman> hm whyd you get the tssop 2017-11-20T17:03:15 < dongs> cuz hes cheap 2017-11-20T17:03:19 < dongs> QFN was too expensive 2017-11-20T17:03:20 < englishman> arent they more expensive 2017-11-20T17:03:24 < dongs> and not hand solderable 2017-11-20T17:03:29 < englishman> yeah they totally are 2017-11-20T17:03:31 < englishman> its not lga 2017-11-20T17:03:41 < englishman> you save some vias i guess 2017-11-20T17:03:47 < dongs> my new mobo has RGB led connector... 2017-11-20T17:04:02 < dongs> .. which is 4 pins, and just outputs R,G,B 12V PWM'd and GND 2017-11-20T17:04:04 < zyp> didn't you tweet about that last week? 2017-11-20T17:04:07 < englishman> ^ 2017-11-20T17:04:10 < dongs> sorry. 2017-11-20T17:04:12 < dongs> anyway 2017-11-20T17:04:15 < dongs> isnt that kinda noisy shit 2017-11-20T17:04:20 < dongs> why keep it around motherboard?? 2017-11-20T17:04:31 < zyp> haha 2017-11-20T17:04:35 < dongs> switching 12V of ~some amps of current 2017-11-20T17:04:39 < dongs> at whatever shit 2017-11-20T17:04:44 < dongs> cant be GOOD right? 2017-11-20T17:05:02 < englishman> wouldnt they switch at 16khz tho 2017-11-20T17:05:10 < zyp> there's so much noisy shit in a modern computer that it can hardly make a difference 2017-11-20T17:05:12 < dongs> does that make it less bad 2017-11-20T17:05:13 < englishman> or something like that 2017-11-20T17:05:16 < dongs> ok 2017-11-20T17:05:36 < englishman> probably less noisy than 800khz ws2812b 2017-11-20T17:06:15 < dongs> is there a lunix flashfs i can use for write-once logging 2017-11-20T17:06:21 < dongs> that doesnt care about spi flash page size 2017-11-20T17:06:37 < dongs> like ,i erase a page then keep writing stuff to it until its full, go to next page etc 2017-11-20T17:06:44 < dongs> something that isnt a filesystem but i can read back later 2017-11-20T17:06:50 < zyp> does flash page size matter for write-once? 2017-11-20T17:06:56 < dongs> no, thats my point 2017-11-20T17:07:13 < zyp> tar? 2017-11-20T17:07:20 < dongs> er comeon 2017-11-20T17:07:24 < dongs> tar on stm32? 2017-11-20T17:08:14 < zyp> I haven't looked into the specifics, but from my understanding it should work nicely for write-once shit 2017-11-20T17:08:31 < zyp> and then you can just dump the flash into a file and extract it with any common utility 2017-11-20T17:09:42 < Ultrasauce> yeah that actually sounds like a good idea since you dont need runtime random access 2017-11-20T17:09:48 < Ultrasauce> literally what the format was designed for 2017-11-20T17:11:25 < englishman> heh 2017-11-20T17:11:36 < englishman> yeah isnt it tape archive 2017-11-20T17:11:40 < englishman> not the compressed one 2017-11-20T17:11:56 < dongs> i wannna have something to log errrors over potentially long days/months/etc time period 2017-11-20T17:12:28 < zyp> just a single logfile? why would you even need a FS for that? 2017-11-20T17:13:06 < englishman> make the errors fixed length and just keep pointer? 2017-11-20T17:14:15 < dongs> zyp, i donno 2017-11-20T17:14:24 < dongs> whwere would i keep pointer? 2017-11-20T17:14:37 < dongs> have a page for 'pointers' and lookup latest one by index? 2017-11-20T17:14:51 < Thorn> is bmp280 hand solderable? 2017-11-20T17:14:52 < dongs> (and erase page and start over when it rolls over page size 2017-11-20T17:14:57 < dongs> Thorn: with hotair sure 2017-11-20T17:15:04 < englishman> Thorn: yes 2017-11-20T17:15:13 < zyp> if unwritten flash is cleared, you could just do a binary search for the start of cleared flash 2017-11-20T17:15:25 < Thorn> good 2017-11-20T17:18:53 < Ultrasauce> eh maybe tar is unsuitable, 512 byte header and minimum file size 2017-11-20T17:20:48 < dongs> gross 2017-11-20T17:20:59 < dongs> yeah ionyl need to log liek 64 bytes of data during an error 2017-11-20T17:21:08 < dongs> which is entire systems state dump 2017-11-20T17:35:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-77e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T17:39:07 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T17:41:52 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T17:54:27 < Steffanx> Stm32 I2C advices to use BTF instead of TxE when you cannot manage EV8 before the end of a transfer. Anyone has experience with this? I mean has experience with what happens when you still use TxE? 2017-11-20T17:54:35 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T17:54:43 < dongs> is that F1 i2c 2017-11-20T17:54:47 < Steffanx> Yes 2017-11-20T17:55:09 < dongs> i think this shit is in errata 2017-11-20T17:55:11 < dongs> why it fails 2017-11-20T17:55:20 < dongs> and it explains why it should be done ther 2017-11-20T17:56:13 < Steffanx> Yes, there is something in the errata indeed, but i thought it was for receiving only. Not sure why i thought that 2017-11-20T17:57:21 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/f2fxxuovk1zz.jpg 2017-11-20T17:57:49 < Steffanx> But as EV8 is a transmit event it must be that 2017-11-20T17:58:05 < Steffanx> Thanks for fixing my 5 o'clock brain dongs 2017-11-20T18:01:38 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T18:16:32 < Thorn> why didn't they just reuse the i2c core from stm8 2017-11-20T18:28:08 < karlp> heh, thanks st. temp sensor is linear +-1, max 2 °C, but has high offset. no problem 2017-11-20T18:28:20 < karlp> so, they provide factory calibration values for 30 and 110. 2017-11-20T18:28:28 < karlp> except those values are _both_ +- 5°C 2017-11-20T18:29:14 < karlp> was wondering why I had ~8-9°C spread over 30 devices on the same desk 2017-11-20T18:29:31 < dongs> +-FAIL 2017-11-20T18:30:36 < tomeaton17> My boss says he has a long range thermal camera, will that be of any use at all in finding my short? 2017-11-20T18:30:56 < karlp> you can also just deploy normal debugging techniques 2017-11-20T18:31:10 < qyx> a knife. 2017-11-20T18:36:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T18:37:03 < Cracki> long range? 2017-11-20T18:37:09 < Cracki> any thermo camera can help 2017-11-20T18:37:28 < Cracki> depends on whether you actually have resistance, or just a well conducting short 2017-11-20T18:38:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T18:38:37 < Cracki> worth a try? 2017-11-20T18:38:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-20T18:39:52 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T18:41:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-20T18:44:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T18:45:53 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T18:46:26 < englishman> 115mb logitech mouse driver 2017-11-20T18:46:28 < qyx> has anyone experienced that a git diff shows an added block of code and yet in the file itself it is not contained? 2017-11-20T18:46:31 < englishman> wants to reboot after install 2017-11-20T18:46:33 < englishman> wtf 2017-11-20T18:46:41 < dongs> qyx sounds like newline shit 2017-11-20T18:48:59 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T18:49:40 < qyx> doing git add and running git diff --cached shows correct file contents 2017-11-20T18:49:41 < qyx> mhm 2017-11-20T18:49:47 < Rob235> woop woop 2017-11-20T18:50:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-20T18:52:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T18:53:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@46.28.101.100] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-20T18:55:21 < englishman> Thorn: i got an order to moscow 2017-11-20T18:55:24 < englishman> is it going to get there 2017-11-20T18:55:27 < englishman> or should i just refund now 2017-11-20T18:55:51 < dongs> after me and my pal watched cars3, we've come to the conclusion that it is the movie equivalent of lunix on desktop 2017-11-20T18:55:52 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c834203/v834203019/2ebf3/Se-javf8tDc.jpg 2017-11-20T18:55:57 < dongs> a complete clusterfuck 2017-11-20T18:56:03 < Thorn> what shipping service? 2017-11-20T18:56:07 < englishman> lettermail 2017-11-20T18:56:22 < dongs> fuck you thorn 2017-11-20T18:56:25 < Thorn> what qty 2017-11-20T18:56:29 < englishman> one 2017-11-20T18:56:29 < dongs> +ban 2017-11-20T18:56:41 < englishman> thanks for kitties 2017-11-20T18:57:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FPW22TcQ8gab-CCPHdB7-tiAE0QzecSU/view?usp=sharing ultrabuck is alive 2017-11-20T18:57:20 < Thorn> it should pass the customs fine as long as it's not EMS 2017-11-20T18:57:35 < englishman> yeah no just lettermail, with a stamp etc 2017-11-20T18:58:02 < englishman> cuz shit to 3rd world countries like germany or florida sometimes take like 2 months 2017-11-20T18:58:12 < Thorn> ship by registeter mail if you can 2017-11-20T18:58:14 < kakimir> this thing is ultrabuck in case you don't remember anymore https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSW9QemRKbjU2MVU/view?usp=sharing 2017-11-20T18:58:16 < englishman> doesnt exist here 2017-11-20T18:58:41 < dongs> what is pp.userapi 2017-11-20T18:58:43 < dongs> .com 2017-11-20T18:58:48 < dongs> is anything worthwhile ever hosted there 2017-11-20T18:58:52 < dongs> or can i add that url to my blacklist of unfunny links 2017-11-20T18:59:02 < Thorn> it's a cdn that belongs to vk.com 2017-11-20T18:59:20 < karlp> russkifacebooksi 2017-11-20T19:01:22 < Cracki> qyx, git has a stage/index, sounds like that's it 2017-11-20T19:01:34 < dongs> englishman: my macbook updated logitech options this evening and i didnt need to reboot 2017-11-20T19:01:50 < englishman> macos master race 2017-11-20T19:02:09 < dongs> .. in windows 2017-11-20T19:02:13 < dongs> i dont run fagos 2017-11-20T19:02:16 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-20T19:02:38 < Cracki> Thorn, I take one lynx, shipping however keeps the cat fluffy and friendly :P 2017-11-20T19:02:41 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T19:07:37 < dongs> Sen. Al Franken Hit With Second Groping Allegation A woman told CNN that Democratic Sen. Al Franken inappropriately touched 2017-11-20T19:07:40 < dongs> her in 2010 while taking a photo at the Minnesota State Fair. 2017-11-20T19:07:43 < dongs> oops forgot to add BREAKING 2017-11-20T19:07:53 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T19:07:59 < dongs> how the fuck do you remember this 2017-11-20T19:10:21 < qyx> Cracki: I know, but it should display diff of changed unstaged files correctly 2017-11-20T19:10:37 < Cracki> mebbeh 2017-11-20T19:10:46 < Cracki> I'm never sure what the cli tool does 2017-11-20T19:11:11 < Cracki> (I'm used to graphical tools that make the HEAD/index/working copy obvious) 2017-11-20T19:14:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T19:15:33 < englishman> fucking hangouts 2017-11-20T19:17:06 < karlp> what does git diff --cached show? 2017-11-20T19:17:27 < karlp> you were saying git diff was showing you a diff that wasn't in the file though? 2017-11-20T19:17:54 < karlp> sure your editor wasn't working form a cached copy? I've seen that with netbeans/vim not noticing the file changed underneath them due to git checkouts and branch changes. 2017-11-20T19:19:03 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T19:19:17 < qyx> like if the git diff shows some intermediate state, but wtf 2017-11-20T19:19:30 < qyx> no caching, reloaded all 2017-11-20T19:19:53 < qyx> maybe it was git addded before with half-way changes 2017-11-20T19:20:42 < qyx> and then changed again 2017-11-20T19:21:19 < qyx> so git diff shows only the changes against the old cached copy 2017-11-20T19:21:42 < Thorn> englishman: canada post website is extremely confusing but they do say they offer shipping with a 13 character tracking number (XX 000 000 000 CA) 2017-11-20T19:22:15 < Thorn> it's an international tracking number that should be traceable all the way to the destination 2017-11-20T19:24:18 < Thorn> it should appear in the database @ https://www.pochta.ru/tracking once the package is prepared for export 2017-11-20T19:25:47 < englishman> Thorn: yeah but its like $50 which is more than the cost of this product 2017-11-20T19:25:52 < englishman> and still takes 3 months 2017-11-20T19:26:29 < englishman> ah no 2017-11-20T19:26:32 < englishman> $67.59 2017-11-20T19:26:41 < Thorn> ... 2017-11-20T19:26:52 < englishman> canada post sux dude 2017-11-20T19:27:29 < englishman> my cost for dhl express to .ru is like $50 2017-11-20T19:27:34 < dongs> https://medium.com/@FelixSimon/what-it-looks-like-on-the-dark-side-of-the-web-f53ff9f4ef3c found interview with laurence/b/ 2017-11-20T19:28:31 < Steffanx> I think the waffles never arrived at your pace according to canuck post, englishman 2017-11-20T19:28:44 < englishman> yeah its ok to receive 2017-11-20T19:28:50 < karlp> qyx: yeah, if you have both stuff staged (shown via git diff --cached) and also later, you can get a single git diff that doesnt look useful. 2017-11-20T19:29:05 < Thorn> dhl express will send back non-document packages addressed to private persons. they still haven't figured out how to deal with russian customs 2017-11-20T19:29:07 < englishman> International Registered Letter-post - $28.30 2017-11-20T19:29:09 < karlp> git reset HEAD will get you back to nothing staged, single diff against parent 2017-11-20T19:29:12 < englishman> this will still be 3 months 2017-11-20T19:29:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-20T19:29:22 < englishman> yeah no Thorn thats the nondocument rate 2017-11-20T19:29:24 < englishman> for dhl 2017-11-20T19:29:31 < englishman> anyway im just going to mail this 2017-11-20T19:29:43 < englishman> and refund the guy in 2 months 2017-11-20T19:29:45 < kakimir> dongs: who has time to read this shiet 2017-11-20T19:30:24 < dongs> englishman: registered mail (RAxxxCA) is $18+letter post rate 2017-11-20T19:30:36 < dongs> https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/prices/CPprices-e.pdf page 39 2017-11-20T19:31:07 < englishman> yeah, $28.30 2017-11-20T19:31:19 < dongs> terrible 2017-11-20T19:31:23 < dongs> even jp tracking isnt that bad 2017-11-20T19:31:30 < englishman> yeah man 2017-11-20T19:32:00 < englishman> not only is it unsubsidized, but govt steals all their profit 2017-11-20T19:32:41 < Thorn> registered China post is like $2 2017-11-20T19:33:22 < englishman> well dhl is $18 and it gets here in 30 hours 2017-11-20T19:33:34 < englishman> so i usually take that 2017-11-20T19:33:54 < dongs> that SFP+ cable place sends by some DHL e-packet thing 2017-11-20T19:34:02 < dongs> its like $8 to jp 2017-11-20T19:34:12 < englishman> yeah but youre like 50km away 2017-11-20T19:34:15 < englishman> im like 5550 2017-11-20T19:35:05 < dongs> DHL eCommerce 2017-11-20T19:37:53 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T19:44:38 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-20T19:44:56 < englishman> found dongs kickstarter https://i.imgur.com/gK3Fvlt.jpg 2017-11-20T19:47:15 < kakimir> time to order fleebay banana connectors 2017-11-20T19:56:32 < kakimir> anyone know about PA amplifiers? 2017-11-20T19:56:40 < kakimir> I have one with balanced inputs 2017-11-20T19:56:56 < kakimir> if I try to use it with unbalanced inputs there is quite much of noise 2017-11-20T19:57:28 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:1131:4d2d:12d3:a33d] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T20:00:01 < Fleck> kakimir: what kind of noise? 2017-11-20T20:00:37 < kakimir> buzz 2017-11-20T20:01:11 < kakimir> I wonder if placing minimal lenght cord would remove it 2017-11-20T20:01:17 < kakimir> mine is like 1-1.5meters 2017-11-20T20:01:41 < Fleck> 10m unbalanced works from phone to PA Amp no buzz 2017-11-20T20:01:45 < kakimir> it has 6,35mm mono plugs instead of stereo plugs 2017-11-20T20:02:10 < Fleck> it just needs to be shielded 2017-11-20T20:02:13 < kakimir> when I insert stereo plug cords right to my DAC no buzz at all 2017-11-20T20:02:29 < kakimir> it has quite sensitive inputs 2017-11-20T20:03:17 < Fleck> so ground loop problem? 2017-11-20T20:03:46 < Fleck> if 50Hz hum, or 60Hz if murican :P 2017-11-20T20:03:58 < kakimir> it's not hum 2017-11-20T20:04:08 < kakimir> it's noise 2017-11-20T20:04:13 < Fleck> well record it :D 2017-11-20T20:04:30 < Fleck> noise doesn't tell much 2017-11-20T20:04:35 < Fleck> there are different noises 2017-11-20T20:05:20 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T20:05:46 < kakimir> what I try to do next with it is to connect my bluetooth receiver to it 2017-11-20T20:05:53 < kakimir> it has no balanced output 2017-11-20T20:06:08 < kakimir> I wonder if I could just buy a balancer 2017-11-20T20:06:15 < Fleck> how do you power that bt? 2017-11-20T20:07:30 < kakimir> usb wall brick 2017-11-20T20:07:35 < kakimir> no noise test done 2017-11-20T20:07:46 < kakimir> I don't have my speakers installed at the moment 2017-11-20T20:07:57 < Fleck> try battery if you have one 2017-11-20T20:08:05 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-20T20:08:09 < kakimir> I have power bank 2017-11-20T20:09:00 < kakimir> I did noise tests with my laptop(grounded and probs tried to remove wall brick) and pc(grounded) 2017-11-20T20:10:29 < Fleck> wild guess is - you gonna need something like this: https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata-Power-Solutions/NKE0505SC/?qs=jPQ9GJNohUCN7a36Pde8GQ%3D%3D 2017-11-20T20:11:06 -!- Steffann [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T20:11:06 -!- Steffann [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-20T20:11:06 -!- Steffann [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T20:11:10 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-20T20:13:00 < kakimir> galvanic isolation? 2017-11-20T20:13:14 < kakimir> why would ground loop be a problem? 2017-11-20T20:13:22 < kakimir> oh.. 2017-11-20T20:13:28 < kakimir> it's a big antenna 2017-11-20T20:14:33 < kakimir> big ass loop antenna 2017-11-20T20:16:19 < englishman> ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block 2017-11-20T20:16:19 < englishman> fsck.ext2: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks... 2017-11-20T20:16:19 < englishman> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb 2017-11-20T20:16:23 < englishman> lunix'd again 2017-11-20T20:16:58 < dongs> lmao, lunix 2017-11-20T20:17:07 < dongs> i heard that happens if you just power it on 2017-11-20T20:17:14 < englishman> actually i was copying a file 2017-11-20T20:17:23 < englishman> there goes my chrono trigger savegame :( 2017-11-20T20:17:32 < Cracki> which file system? 2017-11-20T20:17:37 < Cracki> nvm ext2 :P 2017-11-20T20:17:44 < Cracki> was hoping it's btrfs 2017-11-20T20:17:46 < dongs> lunixfs 2017-11-20T20:17:47 < dongs> they're all trash 2017-11-20T20:17:48 < englishman> Type: Linux 2017-11-20T20:17:53 < dongs> murderfs is the best one 2017-11-20T20:17:55 < Cracki> can't disagree 2017-11-20T20:18:07 < dongs> hm looks like this is still up http://murderfs.com/ 2017-11-20T20:18:19 < Cracki> wives are overrated 2017-11-20T20:18:44 < kakimir> lol 2017-11-20T20:18:47 < englishman> can i fix this or am i going to have to start over at the millennial fair 2017-11-20T20:18:50 < dongs> my ian hanschen link is still on fronty page of google 2017-11-20T20:18:53 < kakimir> that last column 2017-11-20T20:19:09 < qyx> how could you corrupt your superblock during normal work 2017-11-20T20:19:18 < englishman> lunix attitudes: blame the user 2017-11-20T20:19:36 < dongs> youre holding it wrong 2017-11-20T20:19:52 < qyx> no, but you either hit some bug or your hw is crappy 2017-11-20T20:20:05 < englishman> dude im like 16h into chronotrigger i dont want to start over 2017-11-20T20:20:48 < qyx> does smart report something for /dev/sdb? 2017-11-20T20:21:05 < dongs> wtf is chrononigger 2017-11-20T20:21:09 < dongs> and why are you running it on LUNIX 2017-11-20T20:21:12 < dongs> lunix has no gamez 2017-11-20T20:21:17 < dongs> or graphics acceleration 2017-11-20T20:21:22 < englishman> its a snes game 2017-11-20T20:21:28 < englishman> pushes the limit of lunix i know 2017-11-20T20:21:50 < englishman> you may know it as クロノ・トリガー 2017-11-20T20:22:00 < dongs> step 2: ????? 2017-11-20T20:22:15 < dongs> (if you use lunix, you never reach step 3) 2017-11-20T20:23:16 < dongs> airfrance wants to sell me a flight to madrid for 80k japanese dongs 2017-11-20T20:23:21 < dongs> with terms and conditions apply 2017-11-20T20:23:32 < dongs> bedtime 2017-11-20T20:24:04 < englishman> recovering journal 2017-11-20T20:27:39 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:8479:3565:6b04:f7da] has quit [] 2017-11-20T20:27:47 < dongs> ur fukt 2017-11-20T20:27:50 < dongs> wipe up just to say that 2017-11-20T20:29:34 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T20:39:22 < englishman> ********** WARNING: Filesystem still has errors ********** 2017-11-20T20:40:23 < Steffann> You're fucked. 2017-11-20T20:40:46 < englishman> lunix'd again ✊✊✊ 2017-11-20T20:41:00 < Steffann> pebkac. 2017-11-20T20:41:18 < englishman> again with that lunix attitude 2017-11-20T20:41:34 < englishman> im going to have to start chrono trigger all over again dude 2017-11-20T20:41:36 < englishman> not happy here 2017-11-20T20:42:20 < Steffann> More like: pebkac because you went with lunix :P 2017-11-20T20:42:51 < Fleck> yeah, dumb users should stick to wincrap 2017-11-20T20:43:09 < Steffann> Dont judge like that mr Fleck. 2017-11-20T20:43:28 < Fleck> are you judging me for judging? 2017-11-20T20:43:48 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffann] by ChanServ 2017-11-20T20:43:48 <@Steffann> Yes. 2017-11-20T20:43:57 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffann] by ChanServ 2017-11-20T20:43:59 < Fleck> sucks to be you then :P 2017-11-20T20:44:26 < Steffann> Are you judging me for judging you for judging me? 2017-11-20T20:44:33 < Steffann> or something 2017-11-20T20:44:42 < Fleck> fail :P 2017-11-20T20:45:44 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T20:49:40 < englishman> phew copied off savefile with testdisk 2017-11-20T20:50:45 < Ultrasauce> >fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb 2017-11-20T20:50:48 < englishman> the genesis directory is dead tho 2017-11-20T20:50:53 < englishman> so no shining force savegames :( 2017-11-20T20:50:54 < Ultrasauce> did you put a filesystem straight on the drive you fucking goose? 2017-11-20T20:50:59 < Ultrasauce> what is a partition table 2017-11-20T20:51:03 < englishman> wat 2017-11-20T20:51:10 < englishman> no, sdb2 is the dead one 2017-11-20T20:51:27 < Ultrasauce> ah ok 2017-11-20T20:52:04 < qyx> I put filesystems straight on the drive when possible 2017-11-20T20:53:23 < englishman> hmm no even testdisk is not copying off files even tho it says file copied ok 2017-11-20T20:53:24 < englishman> wtf 2017-11-20T20:54:52 < englishman> oh, it copies entire directory structure 2017-11-20T20:55:34 < aandrew> whoa, I got emojis in my window 2017-11-20T20:55:42 < englishman> phew 2017-11-20T20:55:50 < englishman> i was just about to fight black omen 2017-11-20T21:00:07 < aandrew> 🖕 2017-11-20T21:00:12 < aandrew> hm, my emojis don't show up 2017-11-20T21:00:15 < aandrew> englishman's did 2017-11-20T21:00:54 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-20T21:01:09 < Steffann> i see yours, maybe your client likes to filter such inappropiate emoji. 2017-11-20T21:01:20 < aandrew> hah 2017-11-20T21:01:23 < aandrew> nah it's irssi 2017-11-20T21:01:27 < kakimir> do you irc with what client you said? 2017-11-20T21:01:35 < kakimir> people with emojis 2017-11-20T21:01:40 < aandrew> Right now I'm ssh'd to a screen session with irssi running 2017-11-20T21:01:51 < aandrew> but I entered those with my phone running colloquy 2017-11-20T21:01:57 < kakimir> can you see in linux terminal screen any emojis? 2017-11-20T21:02:04 < kakimir> putty supports none 2017-11-20T21:02:04 < aandrew> I see englishman's 2017-11-20T21:02:29 < kakimir> extraputty wont even let me change font 2017-11-20T21:02:36 < kakimir> even find new fonts 2017-11-20T21:02:45 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/tXyYvGp.png 2017-11-20T21:03:17 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T21:03:26 < kakimir> how 2017-11-20T21:06:43 < aandrew> I don't know 2017-11-20T21:06:52 < aandrew> that'st eh first time I ever saw an emoji in my irssi screen 2017-11-20T21:07:16 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/15OTY2R.jpg 2017-11-20T21:09:51 < kakimir> some young fella would pick that up in soon enought he would be in wonderland 2017-11-20T21:11:14 < kakimir> unresposivelly roaming in lunix command line 2017-11-20T21:11:58 < kakimir> no more windows, games or friends.. just important things 2017-11-20T21:15:08 < kakimir> I wonder if I could make latchable power switch intergrated to pmos reverse protection circuit 2017-11-20T21:15:32 < kakimir> high side switch 2017-11-20T21:16:44 < kakimir> so button input would boot it and low level output from comparator would shut it down 2017-11-20T21:17:16 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T21:26:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T21:33:33 < kakimir> is there integrated chips with pmos doing high side switching and having nmos to pull gate down? 2017-11-20T21:33:56 < kakimir> very small current very small chip 2017-11-20T21:34:05 < kakimir> and very low Iq 2017-11-20T21:34:32 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2017-11-20T21:37:03 < karlp> Cracki: "ext2" is still the module used for ext4... 2017-11-20T21:37:13 < Cracki> ic 2017-11-20T21:38:53 < kakimir> how 2017-11-20T21:51:41 < kakimir> what module? 2017-11-20T22:00:05 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-20T22:24:00 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-20T22:31:20 < jadew> anyone bought a discovery board recently? do they ever come dirty? 2017-11-20T22:31:42 < jadew> with prints and shit? 2017-11-20T22:32:12 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-20T22:35:10 < Steffanx> not for me 2017-11-20T22:37:19 < jadew> yeah, maybe it was a return or something 2017-11-20T22:37:30 < jadew> the guy says he has more than 10 available and already sold 11 2017-11-20T22:38:38 < kakimir> he sent his own 2017-11-20T22:38:40 < kakimir> for money 2017-11-20T22:39:03 < kakimir> important question is does it werk? 2017-11-20T22:39:53 < jadew> kakimir, well, since it's not new, it's impossible to tell if EVERYTHING works 2017-11-20T22:40:24 < kakimir> ebay`? 2017-11-20T22:40:33 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-20T22:40:40 < jadew> https://www.ebay.com/itm/STM32F7-Discovery-board-Discovery-kit-with-STM32F746NG-MCU-ARM-Cortex-M7/222652563930 2017-11-20T22:40:53 < kakimir> pics? 2017-11-20T22:40:57 < jadew> the plastic cover looks beat too 2017-11-20T22:41:06 < jadew> I already cleaned it up with alcohol 2017-11-20T22:41:17 < dekar> Seems like discoveries have become more pricey... 2017-11-20T22:41:34 < kakimir> it's a bargain thought 2017-11-20T22:42:12 < kakimir> 55eur for STM32F7 dev board with a display 2017-11-20T22:42:18 < kakimir> does it have self test function? 2017-11-20T22:42:54 < dekar> I'm not complaining, I've bought like 10 of the full sized eval boards which are a different price class. But the last discovery I got was like $25, ST also gave me several for free. 2017-11-20T22:43:07 < kakimir> why? 2017-11-20T22:43:10 < kakimir> campaing? 2017-11-20T22:43:21 < jadew> no self test function 2017-11-20T22:43:26 < jadew> oh well, I'll just use it like this 2017-11-20T22:43:35 < jadew> I just have to rub it with more alcohol 2017-11-20T22:44:34 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a184:e100:1131:4d2d:12d3:a33d] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-20T22:44:55 < dekar> Idk, I feel like whenever I see ST at fairs and the like they just hand me discovery, nucleo and the like. 2017-11-20T22:46:23 < dekar> But the older discoveries also were pretty bare, this one looks quite loaded. 2017-11-20T22:52:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-20T22:52:56 < zyp> maybe I should sell my collection 2017-11-20T22:53:34 < Fleck> what's in your collection zyp? 2017-11-20T22:53:48 < zyp> uh 2017-11-20T22:54:17 < zyp> f0, f072, f3, f4, f7, l1, l0 2017-11-20T22:54:36 < zyp> might be forgetting some as well, I've lost track 2017-11-20T22:54:48 < Fleck> how much for f7? :P 2017-11-20T22:55:25 < zyp> probably not worth it for me to sell it 2017-11-20T22:55:54 < zyp> could be nice to have if I ever want to prototype some f7 shit 2017-11-20T22:57:53 < Fleck> true, just, don't prototype shit... prototype good stuff 2017-11-20T22:58:10 < zyp> :) 2017-11-20T23:16:37 < jadew> I don't like it 2017-11-20T23:17:04 < jadew> only a couple of IOs 2017-11-20T23:17:57 < jadew> on the bottom side of the board... 2017-11-20T23:18:38 < zyp> yeah 2017-11-20T23:19:16 < jadew> the LCD is glued in, is there a connector behind it or did they solder the FFC cable? 2017-11-20T23:20:00 < zyp> doesn't it go through the board? 2017-11-20T23:20:04 < jadew> when I saw the pictures, I thought the little FFC connector on the side was for its own display, so you could unplug that and plug a different one 2017-11-20T23:20:07 < jadew> no 2017-11-20T23:20:19 < jadew> it's connected beneeth the LCD 2017-11-20T23:22:41 < jadew> I hope I can remove it without breaking it 2017-11-20T23:26:02 < karlp> yeah, teh later discos got more and more into "here's a thing that you do a few things we prepared ahead of time, but not much else, so we built a nucleo line as well" 2017-11-20T23:27:13 < jadew> it's useless for what I need 2017-11-20T23:27:24 < karlp> so why did you buy it? 2017-11-20T23:27:32 < jadew> I thought it isn't 2017-11-20T23:27:40 < karlp> you could have read the user manual first... 2017-11-20T23:27:52 < jadew> the F4 discovery was so nice, I didn't expect this to be like that 2017-11-20T23:32:50 < jadew> why would they make them like that? 2017-11-20T23:32:52 < jadew> useless 2017-11-20T23:32:56 < Fleck> you can remove it... cut those doubleside tapes 2017-11-20T23:33:16 < Fleck> and then desolder 2017-11-20T23:38:42 < jadew> I just realized, it has a fucking arduino header 2017-11-20T23:38:46 < jadew> fucking shit 2017-11-20T23:39:00 < jadew> who the fuck does that? 2017-11-20T23:39:07 < jadew> fucking idiots 2017-11-20T23:39:42 < karlp> you seriously didn't read a damn thing, and just bought something? 2017-11-20T23:39:46 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-20T23:39:55 < jadew> I assumed it's a fucking dev board 2017-11-20T23:39:58 * karlp laughs and sticks his tongue out 2017-11-20T23:39:59 < karlp> it is. 2017-11-20T23:40:00 < jadew> not a retarded toy 2017-11-20T23:40:06 < karlp> for all the things you can develop on it, 2017-11-20T23:40:13 < karlp> you are so narrow minded sometimes :) 2017-11-20T23:40:26 < jadew> it's not flexible enough 2017-11-20T23:40:32 < jadew> I can't attach my own shit to it 2017-11-20T23:40:38 < jadew> my own little circuit 2017-11-20T23:40:54 < jadew> how can I possibly know if this piece of shit IC will work with my hardware, if I can't fucking connect to it? 2017-11-20T23:41:20 < jadew> am I supposed to always use this tiny LCD and those exact components? 2017-11-20T23:41:31 < jadew> the F4 discovery did it right 2017-11-20T23:41:59 < jadew> you had a bunch of stuff already on board and shitload of IOs exposed, including ones that were connected to components on the board (that you could disconnect) 2017-11-20T23:42:05 < jadew> this is just a demo board 2017-11-20T23:43:22 < jadew> and to add insult to injury they added a fucking arduino header 2017-11-20T23:43:33 < jadew> "here, connect some shields" 2017-11-20T23:47:01 < jadew> it has only 22 IOs exposed... 2017-11-20T23:47:09 < jadew> IO pins --- Day changed Tue Nov 21 2017 2017-11-21T00:04:27 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-21T00:05:47 < emeryth> it's the industry standard, don't you know? 2017-11-21T00:08:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-77e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-21T00:08:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-77e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T00:12:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-77e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-21T00:17:14 < qyx> waht, nucleos have nearly all pins available 2017-11-21T00:18:18 < qyx> I use nucleo boards to test things because there are no onboard peripherals which could mess with yours 2017-11-21T00:18:49 < jadew> I think I'll get this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Waveshare-Open746I-C-STM32-Cortex-M7-STM32F746I-Development-Board-WS0121S/272643301974 2017-11-21T00:24:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-21T00:25:38 < kakimir> nice connections 2017-11-21T00:27:03 < englishman> steffy 2017-11-21T00:28:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T00:33:58 < kakimir> papa 2017-11-21T00:35:33 < Steffanx> Canuckman? 2017-11-21T00:41:23 < Steffanx> Ya englishman * 2017-11-21T00:41:31 < englishman> hi 2017-11-21T00:41:35 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-21T00:42:53 < kakimir> when do we go to japan trip? 2017-11-21T00:43:04 < englishman> mid december 2017-11-21T00:43:09 < englishman> i might go to sz 2017-11-21T00:43:17 < kakimir> almost japan 2017-11-21T00:43:25 < englishman> glorious nippon is a $80 plane ride away 2017-11-21T00:43:36 < Steffanx> Better do a xmas trip. Ill be off work then 2017-11-21T00:43:45 < kakimir> business or pleasure? 2017-11-21T00:43:52 < kakimir> englishman: 2017-11-21T00:43:55 < englishman> pleasure is overrated 2017-11-21T00:44:03 < Steffanx> Japan is pure pleasure.. 2017-11-21T00:44:26 < kakimir> englishman: business then? 2017-11-21T00:44:32 < Steffanx> You know how pleasurous dongs is right? 2017-11-21T00:44:48 < Steffanx> Is that a word? Pleasurous? 2017-11-21T00:45:11 < upgrdman> lol 2017-11-21T00:45:14 < upgrdman> pleasant 2017-11-21T00:45:18 < Steffanx> Or how you would write it, if its a word 2017-11-21T00:45:52 < upgrdman> i like the sound of pleasurous tho. 2017-11-21T00:46:02 < Steffanx> Oxford dictionary knows it 2017-11-21T00:46:08 < upgrdman> i think i might use that for dramatic effect 2017-11-21T00:46:17 < upgrdman> orly? 2017-11-21T00:46:27 < Steffanx> Ya mate 2017-11-21T00:47:45 < Steffanx> Gonna go for a meet and greet with mr d. , englishman ? 2017-11-21T00:47:55 < Steffanx> Better take a pic 2017-11-21T00:48:16 < Steffanx> Such once in a life time event 2017-11-21T00:53:18 < upgrdman> damn. you know the code is going to be "good" when you see lots of this shit: 2017-11-21T00:53:19 < upgrdman> } // 2017-11-21T00:53:20 < upgrdman> } // 2017-11-21T00:53:20 < upgrdman> } // 2017-11-21T00:53:20 < upgrdman> } 2017-11-21T00:53:22 < upgrdman> } 2017-11-21T00:53:24 < upgrdman> } 2017-11-21T00:53:29 < upgrdman> i've found >10 of those so far 2017-11-21T00:54:11 < upgrdman> also, faggots that use {} for one line if statements. wtf 2017-11-21T00:57:56 < kakimir> englishman: what days you spend in sz? 2017-11-21T00:58:02 < kakimir> or generally that area? 2017-11-21T01:02:08 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1txdg0hhDo 2017-11-21T01:04:57 < upgrdman> maybe he can visit Naiomi Wu 2017-11-21T01:05:07 < upgrdman> "she" is in sz 2017-11-21T01:06:40 < kakimir> he will 2017-11-21T01:15:58 < kakimir> englishman: who are you going to visit there? 2017-11-21T01:21:00 < kakimir> sz contacts would be cool to have 2017-11-21T01:26:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T01:42:54 < Laurenceb_> MERLINS BEARD 2017-11-21T01:44:20 < englishman> kakimir: dono anything yet 2017-11-21T01:44:47 < englishman> prolly won't happen 2017-11-21T01:47:14 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-21T01:47:27 < kakimir> what is your incentive to go there? 2017-11-21T01:56:52 < englishman> innovation 2017-11-21T02:04:57 < kakimir> YES 2017-11-21T02:09:35 < upgrdman> and *disruptive technology* 2017-11-21T02:09:44 < upgrdman> gotta sprikle in moar of those buzz words 2017-11-21T02:12:01 < upgrdman> lol https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00086&languageid=en-fr 2017-11-21T02:12:33 < upgrdman> Based on the items identified through the comprehensive security review, an attacker could gain unauthorized access to platform, Intel® ME feature, and 3rd party secrets protected by the Intel® Management Engine (ME), Intel® Server Platform Service (SPS), or Intel® Trusted Execution Engine (TXE). 2017-11-21T02:12:33 < upgrdman> This includes scenarios where a successful attacker could: 2017-11-21T02:12:33 < upgrdman> Impersonate the ME/SPS/TXE, thereby impacting local security feature attestation validity. 2017-11-21T02:12:33 < upgrdman> Load and execute arbitrary code outside the visibility of the user and operating system. 2017-11-21T02:12:33 < upgrdman> Cause a system crash or system instability. 2017-11-21T02:12:35 < upgrdman> For more information, please see this Intel Support article 2017-11-21T02:13:07 < kakimir> https://img.ozdisan.com/ETicaret_Dosya/354460_2643812.pdf potential replacement for LD1117 in low power applicaitons 2017-11-21T02:13:12 < kakimir> applications 2017-11-21T02:13:39 < kakimir> but the pin order is wrong.. 2017-11-21T02:23:17 < kakimir> MAX933 ordered and comming 2017-11-21T02:23:27 < kakimir> MAX933CUA+ 2017-11-21T02:24:05 < kakimir> I saw where I went wrong.. when searching for max933cua it gives 3 options 2017-11-21T02:24:14 < kakimir> 931 932 and 933 2017-11-21T02:24:38 < kakimir> I looked at them and I was like "them all the same - first one it is" 2017-11-21T02:30:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-21T02:32:48 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-21T02:33:55 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T02:38:27 < kakimir> I go with TLV70033QDDCRQ1 for my low power LDO needs 2017-11-21T02:41:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-21T02:44:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T02:45:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T03:18:49 < aandrew> upgrdman: I use { } for one line if statements intentionally 2017-11-21T03:20:02 < aandrew> I do it because it's far too easy to have an indentation fuckup and think two lines are part of the condition so I just have a rule that all conditionals have parens 2017-11-21T03:20:19 < aandrew> I even do if (foo) { bar = true; } on a single line 2017-11-21T03:20:28 < aandrew> I also cuddle parens and else statements 2017-11-21T03:20:41 < aandrew> drives me fucking nuts to see an opening brace on its own line unless it's the start of a fucking function 2017-11-21T03:30:58 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:2879:c7b6:cf46:4ea3] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T03:34:00 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:6229:2879:c7b6:cf46:4ea3] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-21T03:35:09 < jadew> we've had this discussion several times before :) 2017-11-21T03:36:02 < englishman> and upgrdman will continue to be wrong 2017-11-21T03:36:26 < jadew> I do both things 2017-11-21T03:36:39 < jadew> by default, no {} around single line blocks 2017-11-21T03:37:14 < jadew> I only use {} around single line blocks if it makes it more readable 2017-11-21T03:37:20 < jadew> say, if it's a multi-line if condition 2017-11-21T03:38:57 < jadew> and you can't mess it up, if you have proper indentation and if you don't use statements on the same line with the condition 2017-11-21T03:39:18 < jadew> if you do, you'd be used to having non indented lines after an if 2017-11-21T03:39:57 < jadew> but if you don't, you won't, and a non indented statemetn after an if will be obvious 2017-11-21T03:42:16 < dongs> < aandrew> I do it because it's far too easy to have an indentation fuckup 2017-11-21T03:42:18 < dongs> incorrect 2017-11-21T03:42:28 < dongs> if your code is indented properly and you keep indenting it properly while coding, this will never happen 2017-11-21T03:43:33 < dongs> < aandrew> drives me fucking nuts to see an opening brace on its own line 2017-11-21T03:43:36 < dongs> yea im with you there 2017-11-21T03:43:55 < branjb> { 2017-11-21T03:43:57 < branjb> hey guys 2017-11-21T03:44:23 < dongs> {{{ youre a faggot }}} 2017-11-21T03:45:07 < jadew> I like my brackets on their own line, not a fan of bracket hunting 2017-11-21T03:48:59 < aandrew> hahaha 2017-11-21T03:49:10 < aandrew> I don't like code sprawl 2017-11-21T03:49:21 < aandrew> indentation conveys intent, parens enforce it 2017-11-21T03:50:30 < branjb> I like to ask the question "what makes my code more readable" and then do the opposite 2017-11-21T03:50:39 < jadew> haha branjb 2017-11-21T03:50:41 < branjb> job security if only you know how your code works 2017-11-21T03:50:57 < jadew> branjb, you could also overengineer it 2017-11-21T03:50:59 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-21T03:51:46 < aandrew> I make really good money writing clean stable easy to maintain code 2017-11-21T03:52:15 < aandrew> it's almost counterintuitive.. I try to eliminate my job and they give me more interesting and harder things to work on 2017-11-21T03:54:24 < sync> jadew: overloading everything is a good way to do it 2017-11-21T03:54:32 < sync> or by using utf8 as variables 2017-11-21T03:54:40 < aandrew> oh jesus you're one sick fuck 2017-11-21T03:54:43 < jadew> heh 2017-11-21T03:55:20 < sync> aandrew: dem jerb sekuhrities 2017-11-21T03:55:34 < dongs> < sync> or by using utf8 as variables 2017-11-21T03:55:38 < dongs> ive seen jap code doing this 2017-11-21T03:55:41 < dongs> fucking gross 2017-11-21T03:55:44 < sync> yeah 2017-11-21T03:56:01 < dongs> any compiler that allows that shit outside of string literals should fucking burn in hell 2017-11-21T03:56:04 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T03:57:01 < sync> well, utf8 chars are string literals 2017-11-21T03:57:41 < dongs> no 2017-11-21T03:57:46 < dongs> im takling about "cocks" 2017-11-21T03:58:04 < dongs> as in actual strings in code. 2017-11-21T03:58:08 < dongs> or L"cocks" for utf/whatever 2017-11-21T03:58:55 < sync> 🏠 = "house" 2017-11-21T03:59:00 < sync> 10/10 would code again 2017-11-21T03:59:12 < branjb> we got a denso robot from some japanese factory 2017-11-21T03:59:19 < branjb> every variable was in kanji 2017-11-21T03:59:20 < branjb> wtf 2017-11-21T03:59:46 < aandrew> I love using the google translate app on datasheets 2017-11-21T03:59:55 < aandrew> you have to have an arts appreciation degree sometimes 2017-11-21T04:00:01 < aandrew> the translations need to be ... massaged... to make sense 2017-11-21T04:00:07 < sync> mhh, denso makes robots? 2017-11-21T04:00:15 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-21T04:00:17 < sync> probably yaskawa or mitsubishi 2017-11-21T04:00:18 < dongs> any company that cant write a datasheet in english isn't worth it 2017-11-21T04:00:31 < branjb> their six axis robots are some of the best out there 2017-11-21T04:00:36 < aandrew> what are you complaining about, it seems everyone has _jp datasheet variants 2017-11-21T04:00:38 < sync> ya, yaskawa I guess 2017-11-21T04:01:26 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/YTRzy 2017-11-21T04:02:33 < sync> dongs: why is like omron/yaskawa/panasanik the same stuff? 2017-11-21T04:07:27 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-21T04:08:30 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T04:18:31 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T04:20:57 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-21T04:23:23 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T04:25:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-21T04:26:22 < dongs> i donno, omron seemed to want my business when i asked about some sensor shit at the last expo 2017-11-21T04:26:32 < dongs> most other jap companies dont 2017-11-21T05:08:03 < aandrew> I like omron 2017-11-21T05:08:12 < aandrew> they make good tactile switches too 2017-11-21T05:35:26 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2017-11-21T05:37:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-21T05:53:39 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=jL0lYcVo_lo 2017-11-21T05:54:05 < jadew> nvm 2017-11-21T05:54:07 < jadew> fake 2017-11-21T05:54:22 < jadew> don't think it's even a woman 2017-11-21T05:54:56 < jadew> night 2017-11-21T05:55:13 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-21T06:24:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T06:24:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T06:32:30 < Cracki> >good tentacle switches 2017-11-21T06:54:48 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-21T07:02:50 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T07:06:39 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2017-11-21T10:13:52 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T10:15:47 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T10:16:38 < capacitor> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium 2017-11-21T10:18:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-21T10:51:57 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-21T10:57:02 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T10:57:15 < capacitor> dekar: where is steffan 2017-11-21T10:57:41 < dekar> dunno 2017-11-21T10:58:34 < capacitor> do you know of theepot? 2017-11-21T11:07:48 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-21T11:08:03 -!- scummos [scummos@kde/developer/brauch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-21T11:14:01 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T11:14:54 -!- scummos [scummos@gateway/shell/kde/x-olabfyjkzbncturm] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T11:17:58 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-21T11:18:04 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T11:20:56 -!- specing_ [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T11:21:51 < karlp> kakimir: just about anything is a better choice than ld1117, even without doing low power 2017-11-21T11:22:04 -!- tpw-rules [~tpw_rules@imcool.fyi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T11:22:08 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-21T11:22:09 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@imcool.fyi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-21T11:22:21 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-21T11:22:21 < karlp> zypsnips has a good list of regs you almost definitely want to use instead of ld1117, and probably instead of that shitty holtek 30mA thing you linked 2017-11-21T11:22:27 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T11:22:42 < capacitor> hmmmm 2017-11-21T11:22:43 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2017-11-21T11:30:56 < Steffanx> I like capacitors, capacitor 2017-11-21T11:32:35 < Steffanx> Better give me that 500GigaFarad capacitor 2017-11-21T11:35:23 < capacitor> too expensive 2017-11-21T11:41:07 < capacitor> i have 3kF maxells here 2017-11-21T11:41:12 < capacitor> but only 2.7 yolts 2017-11-21T11:43:53 < capacitor> *maxwell 2017-11-21T11:45:37 < capacitor> so don't be a stupid nigger steffan 2017-11-21T11:49:00 < dekar> capacitor, what's theepot? 2017-11-21T11:56:33 < qyx> holtek vreg? 2017-11-21T11:59:32 < karlp> some shitty ht7133 crap 2017-11-21T12:01:44 < dongs> lolwat 2017-11-21T12:01:49 < dongs> yeah im sure there's a million things better than that 2017-11-21T12:01:50 < dongs> in 2017 2017-11-21T12:06:21 < qyx> me ordered some pdip 74hc chips 2017-11-21T12:06:25 < qyx> meh 2017-11-21T12:07:23 < qyx> I am curious if it is possible to do async sampling with the stm32 adc 2017-11-21T12:07:32 < qyx> triggered by an external clock 2017-11-21T12:14:23 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-21T12:15:24 < karlp> why wouldn't it be? 2017-11-21T12:16:12 < qyx> I mean that the sampling instant is not in sync with the ADc clock 2017-11-21T12:16:42 < qyx> seems like it is not possible 2017-11-21T12:25:16 < ohsix> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/samd11-i2c-driver-alone-consumes-12kb-out-of-16kb-and-facing-rom-overflow-error/msg1353867/#msg1353867 2017-11-21T12:26:56 < ohsix> i love how many posts there were before anyone bothered to look why 2017-11-21T12:37:53 < dongs> http://lordpil.com/blog/ this guy has been blogging nonstop for decade 2017-11-21T12:40:58 < dongs> http://www.lordpil.com/blog/archives/2017-11-16#936 haha 2017-11-21T12:41:27 < tomeaton17> Lol that side menu 2017-11-21T12:41:40 < dongs> you mean the one that scrolls teh fuck out 2017-11-21T12:41:52 < tomeaton17> yeah haha 2017-11-21T12:50:15 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-21T12:51:51 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T12:57:55 < Steffanx> Theepot is dutch for teapot, dekar. Terrible inside joke 2017-11-21T13:01:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-21T13:03:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T13:04:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T13:05:37 < dongs> in a falling/rising exti, how do i tell which one arrived in ISR 2017-11-21T13:23:27 -!- scummos [scummos@gateway/shell/kde/x-olabfyjkzbncturm] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-21T13:23:27 -!- scummos [scummos@kde/developer/brauch] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T13:26:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-21T13:28:51 < qyx> I read the pin state in the isr 2017-11-21T13:29:02 < qyx> idk if good or not 2017-11-21T13:44:22 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-180-140-254.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T13:47:52 -!- PeterM [bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-21T13:50:57 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-21T13:51:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T14:02:24 < dongs> qyx, no thats gay 2017-11-21T14:02:29 < dongs> it could change/bounce 2017-11-21T14:03:15 < dongs> https://community.st.com/thread/14040 2017-11-21T14:03:19 < dongs> gross 2017-11-21T14:09:13 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T14:09:18 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-21T14:18:11 < jpa-> you can store the old pin states after you clear the interrupt flag, then if it bounces you'll get a new interrupt anyway 2017-11-21T14:34:19 < ReadErr> WWC1D 2017-11-21T14:38:25 -!- Flowjob [~quassel@193.174.68.231] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T14:40:00 < zyp> treat it as polling the io, except you don't have to poll it until you get an interrupt telling you it has changed 2017-11-21T14:40:34 < qyx> mhm, soldering 4th 74hc chip 2017-11-21T14:40:42 < zyp> in practice it's the same as what jpa- said 2017-11-21T14:40:47 < qyx> probably it would be easier to prototype it on a fpga 2017-11-21T14:42:17 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T14:47:16 < Ultrasauce> karlp what's wrong with 1117? 2017-11-21T14:49:23 < karlp> massive Iq? 2017-11-21T14:49:32 < dongs> 10mA max! 2017-11-21T14:49:39 < karlp> what are it's strengths beyond being common? 2017-11-21T14:50:10 < Ultrasauce> not advocating for it, just wondering 2017-11-21T14:50:21 < Ultrasauce> cause i have a big ol tape of them i got for like a penny each 2017-11-21T14:50:31 < karlp> yeah, htat's about their only advantage :) 2017-11-21T14:51:33 < karlp> also, requires a full 10uF on output 2017-11-21T14:51:40 < karlp> and has a min load requirement of 2mA. 2017-11-21T14:51:58 < englishman> wut 2017-11-21T14:52:08 < karlp> I mean, yay, it can take 15V in, but ... big deal? 2017-11-21T14:52:08 < zyp> aren't there a ton of different 1117 clones? 2017-11-21T14:52:54 < karlp> presumably, but if you're going to have a clone part number, are you going to have completely different specs? 2017-11-21T14:53:06 < Ultrasauce> haha ams1117 is even worse 2017-11-21T14:53:21 < karlp> I'm quoting from the LD1117 from ST, I don't imagine the clones are going to be substantially _better_ 2017-11-21T14:53:30 < Ultrasauce> I never checked quiescent current god damn 2017-11-21T14:53:43 < dongs> how bad it is in AMS 2017-11-21T14:53:48 < dongs> the 10mA max was from TI lm1117 2017-11-21T14:53:50 < Ultrasauce> max 11mA 2017-11-21T14:53:57 < Ultrasauce> 5-10 min load 2017-11-21T14:54:00 < dongs> ya ok 2017-11-21T14:54:17 < karlp> now you know :) 2017-11-21T14:54:19 < karlp> they're garbage. 2017-11-21T14:54:26 < zyp> haha, fair 2017-11-21T14:54:27 < englishman> should work well as constant-current led driver 2017-11-21T14:54:36 < englishman> since your iq isn't wasted 2017-11-21T14:54:50 < karlp> they're like a 78l05 with higher current rating 2017-11-21T14:55:42 < karlp> ti lm1117 requires 10uF tant, not even claimed to work with ceramics 2017-11-21T14:57:13 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T14:58:36 < Thorn> you can add 2Ω or so in series with a mlcc lol 2017-11-21T14:59:29 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-21T14:59:44 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@host31-49-125-33.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] by englishman 2017-11-21T14:59:49 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman 2017-11-21T14:59:58 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-21T15:00:03 < karlp> hehe 2017-11-21T15:00:14 < karlp> is that it, ceramics are too low esr? 2017-11-21T15:00:20 < englishman> heh 2017-11-21T15:00:25 < Thorn> there was an appnote 2017-11-21T15:00:47 < Thorn> the 1st gen of PNP based LDOs were unstable with too low ESR 2017-11-21T15:01:17 < Thorn> years later they added a resistor to the error amp and created a zero to push the pole out of RH side or something 2017-11-21T15:01:33 < Thorn> started adding a resistor in new designs 2017-11-21T15:01:54 < Thorn> if you're using an early LDO you need to create that zero by supplying enough ESR 2017-11-21T15:02:30 < Thorn> btw newer Ta have much lower ESR, <<1Ω 2017-11-21T15:02:36 < Thorn> may not be enough lol 2017-11-21T15:05:36 < karlp> just read a note from kemet, "Can ESR Be Too Low? - Kemet" 2017-11-21T15:05:57 < karlp> also mentions 1000pF in parallel with the voltage dividers can work as well, without raising esr 2017-11-21T15:06:12 < karlp> so, take away result? don't use shitty old LDOs! 2017-11-21T15:06:27 < Thorn> tl;dr it took them years to come up with a 1 resistor fix 2017-11-21T15:06:40 < Thorn> >control theory 2017-11-21T15:06:55 < karlp> alternatively, they didn't hve any parts taht had low enough esr that it mattered, and when it did, the control nerds that justified the original design had retired 2017-11-21T15:23:31 -!- Flowjob [~quassel@193.174.68.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-21T15:25:40 < jadew> funny you guys brought this up, was just thinking yesterday about how silly it would be to design something that relies on high ESR 2017-11-21T15:25:50 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T15:28:44 < Thorn> wtf I ordered China modules with nRF51822-QFAC ~2 months ago, now they're suddenly all nRF51822-QFAA with 1/2 RAM for the same price 2017-11-21T15:37:41 < Steffanx> Ali ftw 2017-11-21T15:38:16 < Laurenceb> Ayy Lmao 2017-11-21T15:40:03 < Steffanx> Welcome Laurenceb 2017-11-21T15:40:11 < Laurenceb> sup 2017-11-21T15:40:24 < Laurenceb> MERLINS BEARD 2017-11-21T15:40:31 < Steffanx> Sky. 2017-11-21T15:40:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-21T15:41:06 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T15:44:01 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T15:44:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T15:48:18 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T15:49:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T15:52:36 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-21T15:57:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T15:57:30 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T16:01:51 -!- tomeaton17 is now known as tr0ubl3 2017-11-21T16:12:36 < englishman> SAM-BA 3.1.4 for Windows (XP, Vista, Win7, Win8) 2017-11-21T16:12:36 < englishman> SAM-BA 3.1.4 for Windows (XP, Vista, Win7, Win8) 2017-11-21T16:12:44 < englishman> uuu no win10 support ;'( 2017-11-21T16:13:00 < englishman> despite being released oct 2016 2017-11-21T16:13:07 < englishman> why does anyone buy atmel trash 2017-11-21T16:15:59 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-21T16:17:52 < jadew> atmel is not trash 2017-11-21T16:18:02 < kakimir> why do even they use ld1117 2017-11-21T16:18:17 < jadew> they have much better peripherals than STM 2017-11-21T16:18:32 < jadew> ST 2017-11-21T16:19:06 < englishman> built in usb-hs phy would make sense on the larger chips 2017-11-21T16:19:15 < englishman> but on atsam3x?!? 2017-11-21T16:26:04 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T16:27:44 < karlp> englishman: you're spelling microchip wrong ;) 2017-11-21T16:29:48 < Laurenceb> holy shjit the atsam3x power supply 2017-11-21T16:29:51 < Laurenceb> do not want 2017-11-21T16:30:44 < englishman> i know right 2017-11-21T16:30:51 < englishman> 15 tants and 500 ceramics across 7 power rails 2017-11-21T16:30:57 < Laurenceb> wew 2017-11-21T16:31:25 < englishman> they had to make arduino due 4L 2017-11-21T16:31:43 < englishman> its so shit they dont even include it in arduino software. you have to download an 85mb bsp 2017-11-21T16:33:48 < Laurenceb> what is so amazing about it? 2017-11-21T16:33:55 < Laurenceb> other than 480mbps usb? 2017-11-21T16:34:10 < englishman> its really expensive and idles at 50C in the bootloader 2017-11-21T16:34:16 < Laurenceb> lel 2017-11-21T16:36:05 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T16:51:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T16:51:37 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-21T16:52:23 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T16:53:52 < Laurenceb> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/double-triode-valves/1449016/?searchTerm=p-semis-l1-p4-0917_uk&relevancy-data=77633D4E4F4E4526 2017-11-21T16:59:59 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T17:00:16 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-21T17:13:21 < Laurenceb> https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/11/21/1427235/flat-earther-plans-to-launch-homemade-manned-rocket 2017-11-21T17:13:27 < Laurenceb> the memes 2017-11-21T17:14:14 < jadew> "is first test of the rocket will also be the launch date" 2017-11-21T17:14:18 < jadew> "His first test of the rocket will also be the launch date" 2017-11-21T17:15:17 < jadew> this saturday? 2017-11-21T17:15:53 < Laurenceb> apparently 2017-11-21T17:16:03 < jadew> I don't want to miss that 2017-11-21T17:16:17 < jadew> Thorn, ^ this will be right up your alley 2017-11-21T17:16:17 < Laurenceb> lol @ "nanolube.com" 2017-11-21T17:18:52 < jadew> lol at the idiots commenting how someone should stop him 2017-11-21T17:18:58 < jadew> like that shit is going to even fly 2017-11-21T17:19:20 < zyp> does he have a submarine to murder people in though? 2017-11-21T17:19:26 < jadew> haha zyp 2017-11-21T17:19:48 * karlp laughs 2017-11-21T17:19:52 < karlp> no no, she hit her head 2017-11-21T17:19:58 < Laurenceb> that guy used to hang out on freenode 2017-11-21T17:20:02 < karlp> I ... chopped her up because itw as more.... convenient? 2017-11-21T17:20:08 < jadew> Laurenceb, the submarine guy? 2017-11-21T17:20:16 < Laurenceb> iirc he even invited ppl to hang out in his sub 2017-11-21T17:20:17 < Laurenceb> yes 2017-11-21T17:20:21 < zyp> Laurenceb, so does you 2017-11-21T17:20:25 < Laurenceb> lucky I never took so offer 2017-11-21T17:20:36 -!- tpw-rules is now known as tpw_rules 2017-11-21T17:22:34 < englishman> I have been assigned your case and I would like to share some information with you about the Sales tax group. As you can notice, once the sales tax group is created there is no option to edit the group. You will need to create a new tax group. 2017-11-21T17:22:34 < englishman> Furthermore, I do think that this would be a great feature to be included in QuickBooks and I would encourage you to submit a feature request to our programmers 2017-11-21T17:22:38 < englishman> ,loll fuckers 2017-11-21T17:22:41 < englishman> i already unsubscribed 2017-11-21T17:22:42 < Laurenceb> yet another reason not to meet internet ppl irl 2017-11-21T17:23:12 < zyp> idk, dongs never murdered me 2017-11-21T17:23:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-21T17:23:53 < englishman> ive met several chatters and lived to tell the tale 2017-11-21T17:23:54 < Laurenceb> >implying u didnt lose ur anal virginity 2017-11-21T17:24:11 < tpw_rules> that's whart happened to me 2017-11-21T17:24:18 < zyp> Laurenceb, who says I had it in the first place? 2017-11-21T17:24:24 < Laurenceb> no homo 2017-11-21T17:24:28 < englishman> norgay 2017-11-21T17:24:36 < tpw_rules> entirely homo 2017-11-21T17:24:41 < Laurenceb> m e m e t i c 2017-11-21T17:24:59 < englishman> get out of the basement once or twice a year laurent 2017-11-21T17:25:02 < englishman> for your health 2017-11-21T17:25:12 < Laurenceb> but I work in the basement 2017-11-21T17:25:19 < karlp> ask your russian grrl to beat you a little or something. 2017-11-21T17:25:23 < Laurenceb> I go from home basement to hospital basement 2017-11-21T17:25:29 < englishman> judging by your 3chan posting today, you do not work 2017-11-21T17:25:31 < Laurenceb> hospital basement has russian grrl 2017-11-21T17:25:56 < Laurenceb> russian grrrl also enjoys chans 2017-11-21T17:26:37 < Laurenceb> previously I had to work in basement with crazy milf, luckily no more 2017-11-21T17:27:24 < dongs> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5102711/Japan-woman-claims-dumped-babies-concrete-buckets.html attn zyp 2017-11-21T17:28:22 < Laurenceb> basement milf as awkward as fuck and we would be at opposite ends of the room after I punched her in the face 2017-11-21T17:28:37 < englishman> saw headline of woman killing four daughters, currently raising son, assumed chinese 2017-11-21T17:28:50 < Laurenceb> >Elliot Rogers 2017-11-21T17:48:41 < vampi-the-frog> hey how about those ST Microelectronics STM32 microcontrollers? 2017-11-21T17:48:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T17:49:13 < Laurenceb> what microcontroller would Elliot use? 2017-11-21T17:49:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T17:49:27 < vampi-the-frog> one that's on topic, for sure 2017-11-21T17:49:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T17:56:45 < vampi-the-frog> violent 2017-11-21T18:04:42 < dongs> sup dongs 2017-11-21T18:10:09 < dongs> sleeping 2017-11-21T18:16:00 < c10ud> does any of you have some example code for obtaining rotation matrix from accelerometers? I need to match coordinates between two accels running at the same time but I'm fucking something up with the calculation of pitch/roll angles because the rot matrix doesnt make the 2nd measure be == the 1st 2017-11-21T18:16:39 < c10ud> my heads is spinning harder that those 3d coords 2017-11-21T18:16:43 < zyp> haha 2017-11-21T18:17:06 < zyp> what are your inputs and what is the end output you want? 2017-11-21T18:17:21 < c10ud> xyz1 = rot * xyz2 2017-11-21T18:17:22 < c10ud> find rot 2017-11-21T18:17:32 < Laurenceb> how rotation formed 2017-11-21T18:17:36 < aandrew> c10ud: first things first: stop trying to do math with Euler angles 2017-11-21T18:17:47 < zyp> you just want to find the angle? 2017-11-21T18:18:01 < aandrew> c10ud: they are not suited for this. the order you apply them and gimball lock will fuck you every time 2017-11-21T18:18:05 < c10ud> lol 2017-11-21T18:18:05 < c10ud> it's a rotation matrix, so there are three angles 2017-11-21T18:18:15 < zyp> no 2017-11-21T18:18:15 < c10ud> but I think I can skip one since there's gravity 2017-11-21T18:18:26 < zyp> and you can't make a rotation matrix 2017-11-21T18:18:33 < c10ud> Laurenceb, rot is 3x3 2017-11-21T18:18:45 < aandrew> I thought rot was 4x3 2017-11-21T18:18:59 < Laurenceb> the timecube has 4 sides 2017-11-21T18:19:07 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-21T18:19:08 < Laurenceb> so that makes sense to me 2017-11-21T18:19:24 < c10ud> zyp, why not? interpolating absolute accels should let me get the angles 2017-11-21T18:19:27 < Laurenceb> always remember, top and bottom are NOT sides 2017-11-21T18:19:39 < zyp> c10ud, because you don't have enough information 2017-11-21T18:20:01 < aandrew> I am a Knower of 4 corner 2017-11-21T18:20:02 < aandrew> simultaneous 24 hour Days 2017-11-21T18:20:02 < aandrew> that occur within a single 2017-11-21T18:20:03 < aandrew> 4 corner rotation of Earth. 2017-11-21T18:20:09 < zyp> c10ud, you have two direction vectors, but you don't know anything about the rotation around that vector 2017-11-21T18:21:29 < c10ud> zyp, I think the caveat is that while standing still one vector equals g hence it's rotation matrix is {1,0,0}{0,1,0}{0,0,1} (e.g. angle is 0) 2017-11-21T18:21:35 < c10ud> at least that's how I got it 2017-11-21T18:21:56 < zyp> c10ud, you're missing my point 2017-11-21T18:22:38 < zyp> I'm assuming steady state, so you're only measuring gravitational acceleration 2017-11-21T18:23:21 < zyp> this will give you a vector that's pointing straight up in the world reference frame 2017-11-21T18:23:27 < c10ud> yes, ok 2017-11-21T18:24:12 < zyp> each of the accelerometers will give you an absolute up-vector, seen from its own reference frame 2017-11-21T18:24:31 < zyp> which means each device will know where up is 2017-11-21T18:24:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T18:24:57 < zyp> but they have no idea about directions in the horizontal plane, i.e. none of them know where north is 2017-11-21T18:25:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T18:25:41 < zyp> you can assume a north and construct a rotation matrix, but you'll assume different norths on each device and end up with matrices that give results rotated around one axis 2017-11-21T18:25:54 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T18:25:57 < c10ud> ah I think I see what you mean now 2017-11-21T18:26:17 < zyp> so you simply doesn't have enough information to construct a matrix that translates from one device's reference frame to the other's 2017-11-21T18:26:40 < c10ud> btw: in the end I only need a differential measurement between the same axe on the two different devices (not the earth gravity axis), I just need to account for pre-existing differences in e.g. mounting 2017-11-21T18:26:59 < c10ud> s/axe/axis 2017-11-21T18:27:16 < zyp> that's easy 2017-11-21T18:27:34 < zyp> just normalize the vectors and take the cross product between them 2017-11-21T18:27:52 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-21T18:29:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-21T18:29:34 < zyp> hmm, dot product should suffice 2017-11-21T18:29:38 < zyp> since you only want the angle 2017-11-21T18:30:06 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-21T18:30:26 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T18:30:40 < c10ud> mmm so (xyz) x (xyz2)T 2017-11-21T18:30:44 < c10ud> (my connection sucks) 2017-11-21T18:32:56 < c10ud> I need to try this I guess 2017-11-21T18:35:34 < zyp> anyway, dot product will give you cos of the angle, abs of cross product will give you sin of the angle 2017-11-21T18:35:47 < zyp> grab both and plug them into atan2 and you'll have your angle 2017-11-21T18:36:58 < zyp> this assumes both vectors are normalized, so do that first 2017-11-21T18:37:01 < c10ud> tbh I think I can just get away with the resulting matrix 2017-11-21T18:37:06 < c10ud> yup I did already 2017-11-21T18:37:17 < zyp> what matrix? 2017-11-21T18:37:33 < c10ud> 3x1 . (3.1)T you mean? 2017-11-21T18:37:38 < c10ud> that results in 3x3 2017-11-21T18:37:46 < zyp> not sure what you mean by that 2017-11-21T18:37:53 < c10ud> transposed vector 2017-11-21T18:38:04 < zyp> uh, that's not how cross product works 2017-11-21T18:38:10 < c10ud> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%7B%7B0.313820196163189%7D,%7B-0.194578308697516%7D,%7B0.929331031583747%7D%7D.Transpose%5B%7B%7B-0.179568295072487%7D,%7B0.650105418654201%7D,%7B0.738321184879051%7D%7D%5D 2017-11-21T18:39:28 < c10ud> oh cross, sorry I read dot 2017-11-21T18:39:29 < c10ud> lol 2017-11-21T18:39:33 < tr0ubl3> For the people that were helping me with my board troubles yesterday, It seems to be powering on now I didnt solder the cap correctly last time. However I need some bodge wires and will probably redesign it using bigger than 0603 2017-11-21T18:40:16 < zyp> c10ud, you'll want both 2017-11-21T18:41:21 < zyp> a cross b = |a| |b| sin(phi) n 2017-11-21T18:41:53 < zyp> |a| and |b| are 1 since your vectors are normalized, and |n| is also 1 2017-11-21T18:42:03 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T18:42:04 < zyp> so |a cross b| = sin(phi) 2017-11-21T18:42:20 < DelvingDeeper> Anyone have experience with FATFS on the stm32? 2017-11-21T18:42:22 < zyp> a dot b = |a| |b| cos(phi) 2017-11-21T18:42:46 < zyp> and since they are still 1, = cos(phi) 2017-11-21T18:43:16 < zyp> plug both results into atan2 to get the angle 2017-11-21T18:44:04 < vampi-the-frog> DelvingDeeper: not on stm32, but I use this library: http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/00index_e.html 2017-11-21T18:44:10 < c10ud> alright, I guess I need to step up my math, it has been a while, duh! 2017-11-21T18:44:28 < zyp> been years since I dicked around with this myself 2017-11-21T18:44:35 < vampi-the-frog> DelvingDeeper: you just need to define some functions such as disk_read, disk_write etc 2017-11-21T18:45:05 < Laurenceb> DelvingDeeper: I use elm-chan on ~all my projects 2017-11-21T18:45:08 < DelvingDeeper> vampi-the-frog: currently using that aswell, although it seems dead. using f_mount, f_open, etc. 2017-11-21T18:45:29 < vampi-the-frog> dead how? it works, FATFS isn't being developed 2017-11-21T18:45:36 < vampi-the-frog> it is FAT that is dead :P 2017-11-21T18:45:46 < vampi-the-frog> died of clogged arteries 2017-11-21T18:45:50 < Laurenceb> wut 2017-11-21T18:45:55 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T18:45:56 < Laurenceb> I see recentish fixes 2017-11-21T18:46:27 < Laurenceb> >Oct 14, 2017 2017-11-21T18:46:39 < Laurenceb> wew he now uses kicad 2017-11-21T18:47:07 < vampi-the-frog> where are you looking 2017-11-21T18:47:14 < DelvingDeeper> vampi-the-frog: I know, just really weird, I hooked up the uSDcard. Although it keeps getting an eroor on my open function. res = f_open(&MyFile,"Hello.txt",FA_CREATE_ALWAYS |FA_WRITE); I coupled an oscilloscope to the clock, command and data pins and they all remain grounded 2017-11-21T18:47:15 < c10ud> zyp, I will try your method and see how it goes ;P 2017-11-21T18:47:31 < Laurenceb> : on elm-chan site 2017-11-21T18:47:50 < DelvingDeeper> vampi-the-frog: I keep getting: FR_INVALID_OBJECT 2017-11-21T18:47:55 < vampi-the-frog> DelvingDeeper: sounds like you misconfigured you peripheral 2017-11-21T18:48:06 < vampi-the-frog> don't think it has anything to do with fatfs code 2017-11-21T18:48:11 < DelvingDeeper> Laurenceb: I used cube to set up so wondering if they dont have a bug 2017-11-21T18:48:22 < Laurenceb> weird error 2017-11-21T18:48:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-21T18:48:28 < Laurenceb> I've never seen that one 2017-11-21T18:49:14 < DelvingDeeper> vampi-the-frog: I'm thinking the same, although its a appnote example, so not much room to mess up... I think the cube might be producing buggy code 2017-11-21T18:49:44 < vampi-the-frog> you'll have to debug it 2017-11-21T18:49:55 < vampi-the-frog> Laurenceb: looks like he's added UTF-8 support http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/updates.txt 2017-11-21T18:50:03 < Laurenceb> neat 2017-11-21T18:50:28 < Laurenceb> Added support for exFAT file system. (_FS_EXFAT) 2017-11-21T18:50:30 < Laurenceb> not bad 2017-11-21T18:50:46 < vampi-the-frog> nap time cya later 2017-11-21T18:50:50 < DelvingDeeper> vampi-the-frog: thats the plan now, first time using so just wanted to double check. >.< 2017-11-21T18:50:58 < Laurenceb> bye grandad 2017-11-21T18:51:07 < DelvingDeeper> vampi-the-frog:thanks! 2017-11-21T18:57:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T19:05:04 < c10ud> zyp, if 'a cross b = |a| |b| sin(phi) n' then I could get phi directly with arcsin 2017-11-21T19:08:35 < c10ud> but the resulting angle is..weird (60° for accels standing on table with z axis), also not sure how to apply this eventual angle to the next transform 2017-11-21T19:08:51 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-21T19:10:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-21T19:11:06 < zyp> arcsin is only defined for ±90deg 2017-11-21T19:11:19 < zyp> atan2 gives you entire range 2017-11-21T19:11:27 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T19:13:48 < Rob235> my website is da bomb diggity 2017-11-21T19:13:57 < karlp> tr0ubl3: glad you worked it out 2017-11-21T19:19:24 < Rob235> https://rjfeddeler.github.io/DrawBotPanel_v2/ (only free draw and overview menus have any content) still a lot to tweak and add but its a start! 2017-11-21T19:19:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/21/offensive_debian_package_depicting_bestiality_installed_automatically/ 2017-11-21T19:21:15 < Thorn> why is the unit load in rs-485 only 12kΩ? that's orders of magnitude lower than typical opamp input impedances 2017-11-21T19:21:44 < DelvingDeeper> Rob235: looks pretty cool 2017-11-21T19:21:50 < Rob235> thanks 2017-11-21T19:24:26 < karlp> Thorn: what are you talking about? 2017-11-21T19:24:52 < Thorn> rs-485 unit load 2017-11-21T19:25:14 < Thorn> i.e. standard receiver input impedance 2017-11-21T19:26:07 < Thorn> the standards requires the bus to work if there are no more than 32 unit loads on it 2017-11-21T19:26:23 < karlp> right.... 2017-11-21T19:26:27 < zyp> old standard, perhaps? 2017-11-21T19:26:41 < Thorn> and cheap dongs-approved max485 has exactly that input impedance, 12kΩ 2017-11-21T19:26:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T19:27:06 < karlp> dongs doesn't use max485, he uses a good cheap isl part like good people do, not crazy max parts, but ok. 2017-11-21T19:27:17 < Thorn> new driver may have 1/4 load (4x impedance) 2017-11-21T19:27:17 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-21T19:27:28 < karlp> I've seen 1/8 even, iirc 2017-11-21T19:27:49 < karlp> but yeah, 1/4 isn somewhat common these days yes. 2017-11-21T19:27:58 < Thorn> yeah but it's still not GΩ 2017-11-21T19:28:01 < karlp> normally at the expese of the differential margin 2017-11-21T19:28:05 < Thorn> so why 2017-11-21T19:28:32 -!- lomas [~lomas@202.51.69.10] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T19:28:33 < fenugrec> limiting noise pickup 2017-11-21T19:28:39 < Thorn> what isl part? 2017-11-21T19:28:41 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T19:28:58 < karlp> isl83483 2017-11-21T19:29:29 < karlp> they have 1/4 load parts too if that's your thing 2017-11-21T19:29:40 < karlp> and slew limited/non slew limited and son on. 2017-11-21T19:29:41 < Thorn> and why are max parts crazy 2017-11-21T19:29:48 < karlp> because they're expensive for no value add? 2017-11-21T19:30:01 < karlp> unles you get max485 parts the same price as ld1117 parts ;) 2017-11-21T19:31:34 < Thorn> I got 100 max485 and 100 max3485 from aliexpress very cheap. probably counterfeit lol 2017-11-21T19:32:16 < karlp> yes, quite likely :) 2017-11-21T19:33:21 < Thorn> of course low load / slew rate limited etc. parts aren't that cheap but there is a range of max parts with seemingly the same features as ISL ones 2017-11-21T19:34:08 < karlp> slew rate limited / not limited is just "fast/slow" 2017-11-21T19:34:15 < karlp> and yes, they all have the same set of options really, 2017-11-21T19:40:29 < Thorn> (and failsafe biasing eats 22 of the 32 loads) 2017-11-21T19:53:47 -!- lomas [~lomas@202.51.69.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T19:54:13 -!- lomas [~lomas@202.51.69.10] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T19:56:25 < karlp> pardon? 2017-11-21T19:56:33 < karlp> what are you doing? 2017-11-21T19:56:57 < karlp> it adds a lot of consumption, but not in a way that affects the unit load 2017-11-21T19:57:22 < karlp> I'm running ~34 devices on "single unit load" transceivers right now with line biasing, no problems at all 2017-11-21T20:00:48 < Thorn> with 560Ω resistors to Vcc and gnd? 2017-11-21T20:01:01 < Thorn> at one end 2017-11-21T20:10:29 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-21T20:22:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T20:22:59 < c10ud> yay, finally a working connection 2017-11-21T20:31:32 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-21T20:37:25 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-21T21:21:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-21T21:21:35 < upgrdman> i bought one of those cheap usb remote controls for windows/mac/android. range is total shit. took some pcb photos before returning it to amazon in case anyone is curious: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/andoer_fm4_2.4ghz_pc_android_remote_teardown_pix/ 2017-11-21T21:21:47 < upgrdman> it's this: http://amzn.to/2iEdQZ8 2017-11-21T21:22:08 < upgrdman> range is less than 2 meters with line of sight (this is an rf remote!) 2017-11-21T21:22:38 < upgrdman> i didnt open the usb dongle because the plastic was fragile and i wanted to return it. but the main pcb looks decent. 2017-11-21T21:23:32 < upgrdman> kinda bummed. i actually liked the layout of this remote. felt good and button presses had nice tactile domes. 2017-11-21T21:24:41 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-21T21:25:05 < upgrdman> guessing the dongle is the problem. just putting hand between dongle and remote cause almost total loss of signal. 2017-11-21T21:25:32 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T21:28:20 < markus-k> Has anyone seen such behaviour before? https://dpaste.de/vcJu I enabled I2C, after that the stlink was dead. STM32F3 discovery board. 2017-11-21T21:30:30 < markus-k> i guess I2C1 collides with swclk, but how do I erase the chip now? 2017-11-21T21:31:41 < Thorn> markus-k: connect under reset 2017-11-21T21:31:55 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T21:32:14 < Thorn> there's even an option for that in the st-link util 2017-11-21T21:32:39 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T21:33:13 < markus-k> Thorn: Ahh, thanks. Pressing the reset button and then flashing it works. 2017-11-21T21:45:02 < Laurenceb> upgrdman: maybe missing C4 2017-11-21T21:47:52 < PaulFertser> markus-k: for openocd you can add -c "connect_assert_srst" to the end of the command line. 2017-11-21T21:49:00 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, hmm maybe 2017-11-21T21:49:23 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, thats just an LCLC filter before the pcb antenna right? 2017-11-21T21:49:30 < Laurenceb> and impedance matching 2017-11-21T21:49:35 < upgrdman> or actually looks like CCCC 2017-11-21T21:49:37 < upgrdman> no L's 2017-11-21T21:49:42 < upgrdman> ok 2017-11-21T22:00:27 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-21T22:03:21 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T22:07:48 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T22:08:04 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-21T22:16:39 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2017256161/fidget-spinner-power-bank-by-zmart-zoom/description 2017-11-21T22:17:59 < BrainDamage> it's just laurenceb 2017-11-21T22:18:23 < BrainDamage> >Charge by spinning in 16-17 hours at 1000 rpm continuous spinning. 2017-11-21T22:18:40 < englishman> lolol 2017-11-21T22:18:52 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/PlzXSTO 2017-11-21T22:19:00 < BrainDamage> that's 16 revolutions per second 2017-11-21T22:19:01 < qyx> 240mAh 2017-11-21T22:19:22 < qyx> looks like it would charge my tablet to ~2% 2017-11-21T22:19:25 < englishman> plz gieb 150kgbp 2017-11-21T22:21:11 -!- lomas [~lomas@202.51.69.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-21T22:22:22 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T22:26:38 < Cracki> lol they invented the crank operated power source 2017-11-21T22:27:39 < Cracki> they put a battery in a 3d printed triangle. amazing. 2017-11-21T22:28:35 < BrainDamage> they could omit the crank and it'd be cheaper, but it'd be perceived as less novelty 2017-11-21T22:28:46 < Cracki> wonder what the resistance of that thing is 2017-11-21T22:29:07 < BrainDamage> i hope not much since you have to spin it at 1000 rpm 2017-11-21T22:29:11 < BrainDamage> for 16h 2017-11-21T22:29:13 < Cracki> whoever buys into that deserves to lose his money 2017-11-21T22:29:37 < Cracki> not much resistance = not much kinetic energy to electric 2017-11-21T22:29:46 < BrainDamage> yes, that's why the 16h 2017-11-21T22:30:05 < Cracki> that's probably even with resistance that'd make the thing brake within seconds 2017-11-21T22:31:11 < Cracki> >The main developer of our products is Jerry Chountita. He has the knowledge and expertise to overcome technical challenges 2017-11-21T22:31:28 < Cracki> it's a perpetuum mobile 2017-11-21T22:33:32 < BrainDamage> let's see, average charging power of 60mW neglecting inefficiency, and 1mN braking force 2017-11-21T22:33:38 < BrainDamage> 1mNm 2017-11-21T22:34:01 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T22:37:20 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-21T22:39:41 < Cracki> 1 mNm is quite small 2017-11-21T22:41:43 < Cracki> that's 0.1 Ncm (~10 grams applied at 1cm/10mm radius) 2017-11-21T22:41:54 < Cracki> hm, not so small 2017-11-21T22:42:28 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-21T23:03:29 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-21T23:07:17 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-21T23:11:40 < kakimir> is there a way to do ehm 2017-11-21T23:13:03 < kakimir> power switch integrated to pmos reverse current protection? 2017-11-21T23:15:18 < kakimir> can you think a way? 2017-11-21T23:15:36 < kakimir> hmm.. pulldown resistor.. mosfet 2017-11-21T23:17:36 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-21T23:19:30 < kakimir> add pull up resistor to input voltage 2017-11-21T23:19:31 < kakimir> for gate 2017-11-21T23:21:18 < BrainDamage> ttsspp ~~hheehttps://e-hentai.org/s/8a39d03d6a/1144470-1 2017-11-21T23:22:33 < BrainDamage> https://e-hentai.org/s/a10bdf950d/1144755-1 2017-11-21T23:22:50 < BrainDamage> https://e-hentai.org/s/44cee237a1/1144277-1 2017-11-21T23:26:03 < kakimir> when some of the "band" of channel has been released from Laurenceb 2017-11-21T23:27:19 < kakimir> slowly but surelly hentai will take it's place 2017-11-21T23:35:03 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-21T23:41:20 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-21T23:45:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-21T23:54:25 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] --- Day changed Wed Nov 22 2017 2017-11-22T00:36:25 < kakimir> is there a program to visually generate waveforms for LTspice? 2017-11-22T00:38:07 < kakimir> like fuk feeding these values in manually 2017-11-22T00:38:22 < kakimir> and ultimatelly failing every other time 2017-11-22T00:39:02 < Steffanx> Excel 2017-11-22T00:40:20 < englishman> hi steffy 2017-11-22T00:40:51 < englishman> did braindamage get hacked 2017-11-22T00:40:58 < englishman> or /parted in embarrassment 2017-11-22T00:41:49 < Thorn> at least it wasn't furries 2017-11-22T00:42:05 < Thorn> To protect the application against spurious write access or system hang-up, possibly caused by electromagnetic disturbance, the most critical registers are implemented as two bitfields that must contain complementary values. 2017-11-22T00:42:10 < Thorn> Mismatches are automatically detected by this mechanism, triggering an EMC reset and allowing the application to cleanly recover normal operations. 2017-11-22T00:42:27 < Thorn> stm8 wins 2017-11-22T00:43:42 < englishman> yeah 2017-11-22T00:43:43 < sync> interesting 2017-11-22T00:43:48 < englishman> stm32 does this too with option bytes, no? 2017-11-22T00:43:49 < kakimir> Steffanx: now that is even more fukd 2017-11-22T00:44:32 < Steffanx> I was wondering about it too englishman 2017-11-22T00:45:31 < Thorn> attn englishman https://pp.userapi.com/c841235/v841235228/3c6e1/7CXP2IDF0kk.jpg 2017-11-22T00:45:47 < englishman> :3 2017-11-22T00:46:01 < englishman> what a big nose 2017-11-22T00:52:47 < aandrew> Laurenceb: you like cat pictures, right? https://gfycat.com/ElectricLawfulEsok 2017-11-22T00:54:45 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-22T01:05:11 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T01:05:43 < Laurenceb_> http://www.globaluniversityventuring.com/article.php/6286/osi-beams-into-first-light-fusion 2017-11-22T01:05:50 < Laurenceb_> wtf where are my gigabux 2017-11-22T01:05:54 < karlp> Thorn: yeah, ~600ohm or so to from vcc to one line, 120ohm across and 600 again or something to ground yes. 2017-11-22T01:07:17 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T01:07:38 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T01:07:45 < Thorn> well these TI engineers calculated that it reduces the # of transceivers on the bus http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt514/slyt514.pdf 2017-11-22T01:08:12 < karlp> yeah, wasn't expecting that from braindamage 2017-11-22T01:08:19 < BrainDamage> englishman: i was shitposting with uhhh, art conossieurs, and i accidentally turned on a feature in my terminal where it copied the output to every fucking panel 2017-11-22T01:08:29 < englishman> ah, lunix'd 2017-11-22T01:08:35 < BrainDamage> and yes, i got beet red from it 2017-11-22T01:09:09 < englishman> well aandrew seems to have no shame 2017-11-22T01:09:23 < BrainDamage> feel free to +b me, for once i did worse than laurenceb 2017-11-22T01:10:18 < BrainDamage> well, sorry anyway 2017-11-22T01:10:23 < karlp> Thorn: hrm, looks interesting will read it tomorrow 2017-11-22T01:10:25 < englishman> no the chat caste system dictates no ban 2017-11-22T01:12:38 < Laurenceb_> wait BrainDamage pasted his pronz? 2017-11-22T01:13:04 < BrainDamage> not 'mine', shit i was shitposting on 2017-11-22T01:13:08 < BrainDamage> but yes 2017-11-22T01:13:12 < Laurenceb_> cool story bro 2017-11-22T01:13:22 < BrainDamage> feel free to act as a 5yo about it 2017-11-22T01:13:30 < Laurenceb_> wipe ur monitor 2017-11-22T01:13:33 < englishman> il ban laurent as a consequence 2017-11-22T01:13:47 < Laurenceb_> its a shoa 2017-11-22T01:13:50 < BrainDamage> nah, tbh, were the situation reversed i'd do the same 2017-11-22T01:14:01 < BrainDamage> i'm not that much of an hypocrite 2017-11-22T01:14:16 * Laurenceb_ cries out in pain as he trolls you 2017-11-22T01:14:18 < englishman> https://bugs.gentoo.org/638206 2017-11-22T01:14:44 < Laurenceb_> https://e-hentai.org/ 2017-11-22T01:14:51 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I aint clicking that 2017-11-22T01:15:16 < BrainDamage> that's what tor is for 2017-11-22T01:16:06 < BrainDamage> also pretty sure everything there is going to be tame compared to what you read on the *chan stuff daily 2017-11-22T01:17:02 < branjb> >people getting offended by shit in current year 2017-11-22T01:17:02 < Laurenceb_> yeah but https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/uk-manga-fan-convicted-for-loli-possession/ 2017-11-22T01:17:18 < Laurenceb_> >load article 2017-11-22T01:17:24 < Laurenceb_> >there is loli on the page 2017-11-22T01:17:28 < Laurenceb_> >go to jail 2017-11-22T01:25:45 < branjb> what happens if you email people lolis 2017-11-22T01:25:50 < branjb> and it downloads into their cache 2017-11-22T01:25:53 < branjb> and then you call police 2017-11-22T01:26:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-22T01:32:15 < aandrew> hey if a person is gonna publish that kind of shit about themselves online, who am I to judge? 2017-11-22T01:32:32 < aandrew> if my daughters did that I'd beat them with their webcam 2017-11-22T01:45:14 < Thorn> they're making real money from that 2017-11-22T01:45:51 < aandrew> yeah you can make real money turning tricks or pole dancing too, doesn't mean I'm okay with it 2017-11-22T01:49:39 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-22T01:51:16 < Laurenceb_> my cousin is a famous camwhore :P 2017-11-22T01:51:23 < Laurenceb_> *used to be* 2017-11-22T01:51:34 < Laurenceb_> she "retired" 2017-11-22T01:52:13 < Laurenceb_> literally how -> http://firstlightfusion.com/about/#scientific-advisory-board 2017-11-22T01:54:04 < Laurenceb_> > lean, focused and agile 2017-11-22T01:58:10 < Cracki> sounds like something jumpy with brown fur that is asking for a slug in the chest 2017-11-22T01:59:56 < Laurenceb_> >be start up scammer in 1930s 2017-11-22T02:00:17 < Laurenceb_> >scientific board: Einstein and Heisenberg 2017-11-22T02:00:55 < Laurenceb_> >now gibme money, kthanxbye 2017-11-22T02:01:10 < kakimir> is there real time inputs to ltspice? 2017-11-22T02:01:45 < kakimir> like you could just press a key and predetermined rising edge happens 2017-11-22T02:03:59 < kakimir> that's stupid 2017-11-22T02:04:30 < Laurenceb_> hmm no I dont think so 2017-11-22T02:04:43 < Laurenceb_> ltspice is built to be batch based 2017-11-22T02:04:51 < Laurenceb_> why would you want real time? 2017-11-22T02:05:54 < kakimir> no actual reason 2017-11-22T02:06:12 < kakimir> to emulate user inputs easily? 2017-11-22T02:07:32 < sync> it is not made for that? 2017-11-22T02:08:06 < Laurenceb_> I dont know but I've never seen a way to do that 2017-11-22T02:13:24 < kakimir> I'm talkin stupid 2017-11-22T02:13:44 < kakimir> anyways I watched 2min video about pulse source and it's back on track 2017-11-22T02:22:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-22T02:25:16 < kakimir> okay it's not possible to create combined pmos reverse protection and power switch 2017-11-22T02:25:27 < kakimir> for simple reason 2017-11-22T02:25:41 < kakimir> body diode 2017-11-22T02:25:54 < kakimir> it took me a while to simulate 2017-11-22T02:26:11 < kakimir> and just one minute to understand 2017-11-22T02:26:50 < kakimir> to say I need 2 pmos transistors 2017-11-22T02:27:02 < kakimir> one dedicated reverse protection 2017-11-22T02:27:09 < kakimir> one dedicated power switch 2017-11-22T02:30:27 < kakimir> I wonder how I could do power switch that doesn't virtually use any current 2017-11-22T02:30:35 < kakimir> in this configuration 2017-11-22T02:32:13 < kakimir> VIN is 3-17V and power switch output max 5.5v 2017-11-22T02:32:27 < kakimir> *comparator output for power switch 2017-11-22T02:32:45 < kakimir> low or high level active is free to choose 2017-11-22T02:41:09 < kakimir> only thing I see possible is NMOS grounding fet for PMOS power switch 2017-11-22T02:41:18 < kakimir> that will use power 2017-11-22T02:41:52 < kakimir> require very low leakage nmos 2017-11-22T02:46:15 < kakimir> sure adding some megaohms brings it down to reasonable level 2017-11-22T02:46:59 < kakimir> that should be lower than comparator power consumption or regulator Iq 2017-11-22T02:47:31 < kakimir> capacitor is required for sure for gate 2017-11-22T02:48:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T03:15:13 < Laurenceb_> holy monologue batman 2017-11-22T03:15:40 < Laurenceb_> woah pixhawk have made something non silly 2017-11-22T03:15:49 < Laurenceb_> wait no last year 2017-11-22T03:15:51 < Laurenceb_> epin fail 2017-11-22T03:16:21 < Laurenceb_> https://docs.px4.io/en/flight_controller/pixhawk_mini.html 2017-11-22T03:37:44 < branjb> why does pixhawk have two imu? 2017-11-22T03:41:05 < aandrew> twice as many quaternions 2017-11-22T03:48:08 < Thorn> so I have a board with a mcu and a couple of sensors that will consume 5mA max, and it needs to be powered from 12...24V 2017-11-22T03:48:43 < Thorn> but it will also have rs-485, and that is 90...250mA more so I can't use an LDO 2017-11-22T03:49:57 < Thorn> at least a small one such as TPS70933 2017-11-22T03:50:35 < Thorn> and I don't want to put a puck reg either because it will make the pcb 2x as large 2017-11-22T03:50:39 < Thorn> what do 2017-11-22T03:50:43 < englishman> fuck, had a TPD4S012 stuck in my eye 2017-11-22T03:51:08 < englishman> put a ldo 2017-11-22T03:51:14 < Thorn> literally? 2017-11-22T03:51:24 < englishman> yes literally put an ldo 2017-11-22T03:51:46 < Thorn> I mean literally stuck in your eye? lol 2017-11-22T03:51:52 < englishman> yeah a feeder stuck and launched it 2017-11-22T03:51:56 < englishman> thought it bounced off 2017-11-22T03:52:33 < Thorn> I will need a 250mA 30V ldo and max power dissipation will be 27V*0.25A = almost 7W 2017-11-22T03:53:08 < englishman> your device will also keep you warm in cold russian winter 2017-11-22T03:53:14 < Thorn> and there will be a high res temp sensor on the same pcb 2017-11-22T03:53:36 < englishman> put a small switcher 2017-11-22T03:53:41 < Thorn> and lie to me about the freezing temperature in my apartment 2017-11-22T03:53:47 < englishman> or one of those LTs with integral inductor 2017-11-22T03:54:09 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T03:54:09 < Laurenceb_> Thorn is in Russia? 2017-11-22T03:54:16 < Laurenceb_> did you hack the election? 2017-11-22T03:54:21 < englishman> those richtek or whatevers are <100mm^2 2017-11-22T03:55:01 < englishman> with that small current you can put a small inductor 2017-11-22T03:55:27 < Thorn> I have mcp16301t 2017-11-22T03:55:39 < englishman> AOZ1282CI 2017-11-22T03:55:42 < englishman> cheap 2017-11-22T03:55:44 < Thorn> and a few small coilcraft inductios left iirc 2017-11-22T03:55:50 < jadew> I think TI recently released some buck converters with that have everything integrated 2017-11-22T03:55:53 < jadew> and they're quite small 2017-11-22T03:56:24 < jadew> they're not cheap tho 2017-11-22T03:56:58 < englishman> depends what that word means to you 2017-11-22T03:57:25 < jadew> $20+ IIRC 2017-11-22T03:57:28 < Laurenceb_> lul they put serious effort into this http://www.robotshop.com/uk/ttl-3dr-radio-telemetry-915mhz-kit.html 2017-11-22T03:57:39 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg we herd u liek breakout boards 2017-11-22T03:57:49 < englishman> laurent that is old as shit 2017-11-22T03:57:54 < englishman> from when 3dr was still tarduino 2017-11-22T03:58:12 < englishman> HM-TRP module on a breakout? $70plz 2017-11-22T03:58:17 < Laurenceb_> ikr 2017-11-22T03:58:19 < Thorn> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/DC-DC-Converters_AOS_AOZ1282CI_AOZ1282CI_C111916.html 2017-11-22T03:58:34 < Laurenceb_> should have used my uber pro and open sores link 2017-11-22T03:58:39 < englishman> i thought thatd be more up your alley Thorn 2017-11-22T03:58:50 < englishman> i still have a few hundred here for some reason 2017-11-22T03:59:27 < Thorn> why did I buy mcp16301t instead last time? 2017-11-22T03:59:27 < englishman> theres another model with higher frequency and lower ir, iirc 2017-11-22T04:01:38 < englishman> https://i.imgtc.com/43NnadY.jpg 2017-11-22T04:01:43 < englishman> ^ netflix production quality 2017-11-22T04:01:49 < englishman> cancelling subscription immediateluy 2017-11-22T04:02:13 < Thorn> spent cartridge? 2017-11-22T04:02:22 < englishman> yea 2017-11-22T04:11:13 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T04:11:58 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T04:25:38 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-22T04:35:39 < dongs> is kickstarter down 2017-11-22T04:35:54 < dongs> nvm 2017-11-22T04:35:57 < dongs> just had to refresh shit again 2017-11-22T04:45:38 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T04:46:29 < stvn> englishman o/ 2017-11-22T04:46:37 < englishman> good morning 2017-11-22T04:46:45 < stvn> greeting m8 2017-11-22T04:47:02 < stvn> where is el dongocat 2017-11-22T04:47:30 < englishman> he got stuck in a bag 2017-11-22T04:47:38 < englishman> couldnt find his way out 2017-11-22T05:01:28 < stvn> that is no good 2017-11-22T05:04:56 -!- stvn [908a33b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.138.51.180] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-22T05:45:42 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-22T05:46:43 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T05:58:41 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-22T06:02:50 < dongs> https://patch.com/florida/bradenton/man-running-cops-stops-pet-cats-goes-jail-0 rip englishman 2017-11-22T06:08:32 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-22T06:10:42 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T06:21:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T06:33:09 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-165-235.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-22T06:42:41 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T06:43:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T06:45:11 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T07:06:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-22T07:07:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-22T07:07:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T07:08:42 < dongs> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405783/why-does-man-print-gimme-gimme-gimme-at-0030 2017-11-22T07:08:47 < dongs> and this is why lunix will never be professional 2017-11-22T07:08:53 < dongs> what teh actual fuck 2017-11-22T07:09:21 < englishman> guess you missed my sheep sex one 2017-11-22T07:10:56 < dongs> no, i saw that one a out 24h ago 2017-11-22T07:11:01 < dongs> the cowsay shit? 2017-11-22T07:11:09 < englishman> yea 2017-11-22T07:11:11 < dongs> right 2017-11-22T07:12:52 < englishman> omfg windows so snappy with CFG protection fix 2017-11-22T07:17:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-22T07:17:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T07:18:52 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T07:31:18 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-22T07:32:08 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T07:38:46 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T07:54:20 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T07:57:25 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-22T07:57:29 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-22T07:58:50 < dongs> turned off y ou mean? 2017-11-22T07:59:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T07:59:46 < dongs> i never notice it cuz i have dickfender disabled by group policy 2017-11-22T08:00:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T08:03:28 < dongs> I do not believe that any security measure should make something as trivial as a file/folder explorer perform poorly on GTX1080Ti, i7 5930k and 48GB of RAM. It's truly incredible that in the year 2017, I have an incredibly powerful hardware I've invested so much money into, yet I have a Windows version that can not even do 2D window animations and browse pictures smoothly. 2017-11-22T08:03:33 < dongs> rage on, brother 2017-11-22T08:04:33 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-22T08:05:22 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T08:08:58 < dongs> haha, opening google sheets with a simple spreadsheet took up 2gigs of ram 2017-11-22T08:09:02 < dongs> and made my i7 desktop slow 2017-11-22T08:09:11 < dongs> fucking amazing oensores 2017-11-22T08:09:18 < dongs> google should just fucking die 2017-11-22T08:12:07 < dongs> "In July, a group led by Hana Asset Management and Ocean West Capital Partners bought Two Independence Square in Washington, the headquarters of NASA, for $360 million." 2017-11-22T08:12:10 < dongs> haha 2017-11-22T08:12:12 < dongs> korea did NASA 2017-11-22T08:12:39 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-22T08:19:06 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T08:21:34 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-22T08:28:46 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T08:29:06 -!- R0b0t1_ [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-22T08:30:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-22T08:34:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-12ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T08:44:01 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-22T08:50:20 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-131-10.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T09:06:08 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T09:18:27 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T09:21:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-12ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-22T09:25:20 -!- R0b0t1` [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T09:48:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T09:49:28 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T09:51:17 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T09:52:28 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T09:54:08 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T09:55:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T10:16:06 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-22T10:49:41 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T11:00:55 < stvn> get up steffan 2017-11-22T11:01:13 < stvn> gary is dead mate 2017-11-22T11:07:29 < Steffanx> Gary? 2017-11-22T11:07:34 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T11:08:14 < stvn> yeah muscles 2017-11-22T11:08:16 < stvn> the fucking goat 2017-11-22T11:08:35 < stvn> must have overdosed on zoopstroffles 2017-11-22T11:09:14 < stvn> word on the street is he was lit as fuck 2017-11-22T11:09:36 < stvn> wish you were there mate 2017-11-22T11:13:13 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-22T11:36:00 < ohsix> balls 2017-11-22T11:36:24 < ohsix> got to raid an office of pals when they closed down the branch 2017-11-22T11:36:47 < ohsix> i got a cool tv and stand that's worth ike a thousand buxxx for a hundred but its' been the most acrimonious and shitty thing in recent memory 2017-11-22T11:37:15 < ohsix> some old fucks just being, for lack of any better description, even after lots of thought! OLD FUCKS 2017-11-22T11:37:43 < ohsix> so tired of old fucks 2017-11-22T11:38:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T11:38:07 < ohsix> wont wear glasses when they can't see, won't wear hearing aids when they can't hear; and your'e constantly compensating for shit they won't do 2017-11-22T11:38:25 < ohsix> and they play up not being able to see or hear to their benefit, by acting confused 2017-11-22T11:39:46 < tr0ubl3> How would you guys do this. I have a system that monitors battery conditions on up to 8 batteries. Each battery gets its own stm32. How could I collect the data from all the devices and collate it? I was thinking i2c due to the number of devices but I am not sure 2017-11-22T11:40:29 < ohsix> are there less than 127 devices? is assigning them bus addresses going to be a problem? 2017-11-22T11:40:55 < karlp> Thorn: we're using tps70933 on our rs485 boards, powering with 24V at 55C, with ~12mA on the board itself. you're doing your maths wrong? 2017-11-22T11:41:43 < karlp> the bias resistors are powered by the end with the bias resistors, on the master, not on each slave. 2017-11-22T11:42:04 < ohsix> if all the devices are cooperating you can do silly stuff like have devices respond to the same bus id based on the register you're reading but that'd be really smelly 2017-11-22T11:42:05 < tr0ubl3> ohsix: I will be interfacing with stm32s so I assume I can change the address. And yes there will be less than 127. 2017-11-22T11:44:19 < ohsix> daisy chain with a massive bit string to shift through 2017-11-22T11:45:19 < karlp> rs485 is the topic of the day tr0ubl3, it would work too 2017-11-22T11:45:33 < karlp> possibly better than i2c/spi if you're going between battery packs 2017-11-22T11:46:30 < Thorn> karlp: my max485 datasheet says something like up to 90 or 95 mA when tx, up to 250 when bus is shorted 2017-11-22T11:47:03 < karlp> are you driving 10Mbz square waves? 2017-11-22T11:47:16 < Thorn> 115.2k only 2017-11-22T11:48:18 < qyx> tr0ubl3: if those stm32s do not have common gnd, you will need to shift levels somehow 2017-11-22T11:49:03 < qyx> some rs485 transceivers with wide common mode voltage range can be used 2017-11-22T11:49:46 < qyx> or a current loop as LT does with its monitors 2017-11-22T11:49:46 < tr0ubl3> Ok, this is going to be a bit more complex than I thought :/ 2017-11-22T11:50:20 < qyx> or maybe usarts connected with a cap 2017-11-22T11:50:27 < qyx> or a optocoupler if you feel ghetto enough 2017-11-22T11:54:00 < karlp> Thorn: I see what you're getting at, but.... (and you may not like it) tps709 enters thermal shutdown, hsot cpu dies, stops trying to drive DE, driver short circuit goes away.... 2017-11-22T11:54:18 < karlp> treat it as a software bug 2017-11-22T11:54:27 < tr0ubl3> rs485 looks good, or could get an stm32 with 8 usart periphs 2017-11-22T11:55:12 < ohsix> with one 2017-11-22T11:55:58 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-485 -> network topology 2017-11-22T11:56:28 < karlp> ohsix: you missed the _or_ 2017-11-22T11:56:43 < ohsix> NUH UH I AM OLD AND HAVE BAD EYESIGHT 2017-11-22T11:57:02 < ohsix> also seemed like a non sequitur, but yea missed or 2017-11-22T11:57:38 < Thorn> karlp: the funny thing is, there will be a BMP/E280 1-2 cm from that LDO. I don't want it heating up, even if just a little 2017-11-22T11:58:14 < Thorn> (24-3.3) * a few mA is still ~1W 2017-11-22T11:58:29 < Thorn> er 0.1W 2017-11-22T11:58:33 < Thorn> but still 2017-11-22T11:58:38 < karlp> yes, surprise surprise 24V and LDOs aren't a good match 2017-11-22T11:59:03 < karlp> we went with a tps709 because it _could_ work thermally, and we didnt' have to go and requalify things with a switcher, though I really wanted to put one on. 2017-11-22T11:59:04 < ohsix> use multiple 2033 pass transistors and 5kg of aluminum 2017-11-22T11:59:06 < tr0ubl3> Is additional hardware required for rs485? 2017-11-22T11:59:15 < dongs> just the tranceiver 2017-11-22T11:59:24 < dongs> you could also use CAN... 2017-11-22T11:59:37 < karlp> (which also needs a transceiver) 2017-11-22T12:00:51 < ohsix> spi daisy chain 2017-11-22T12:02:00 < qyx> newer stms have that single wire interface thing 2017-11-22T12:02:16 < karlp> which one? 2017-11-22T12:02:22 < qyx> l4 for example 2017-11-22T12:03:13 < qyx> SWP (single wire protocol) 2017-11-22T12:03:18 < qyx> looks quite different from the dallas one 2017-11-22T12:03:25 < dongs> wut 2017-11-22T12:03:29 < dongs> never heard of this 2017-11-22T12:03:56 < qyx> RM0351, chapter 44 2017-11-22T12:04:13 < ohsix> does it share similarities with swd 2017-11-22T12:04:51 < qyx> no, it is true single wire as opposed to swd 2017-11-22T12:04:56 < qyx> (+gnd) 2017-11-22T12:05:07 < dongs> a u t i s m 2017-11-22T12:05:34 < ohsix> huhu can you get printed documentation from st, all the datasheets are huge 2017-11-22T12:05:35 < karlp> ah, it's an nfc thing isn't it 2017-11-22T12:05:48 < ohsix> 'swpmi' is cute 2017-11-22T12:06:19 < qyx> don't know, but it is weird, uses voltage mode to transmit master->slave 2017-11-22T12:06:24 < qyx> and current mode to transmit back 2017-11-22T12:06:26 < ohsix> The Single Wire Protocol (SWP) is a specification for a single-wire connection between the SIM card and a near field communication (NFC) chip in a cell phone. It is currently under final review by the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI).[1][2] 2017-11-22T12:06:27 < qyx> so yes, may be 2017-11-22T12:29:59 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T12:32:41 < jsoft> Anyone familiar with the FIR CMSIS stuff? I am pondering why a 32 order low pass is completely tits, whilst a 64 order suddely has a nice roll off 2017-11-22T12:35:08 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T12:46:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T13:02:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-22T13:08:29 < ohsix> https://www.bfads.net/Shop/Best-Buy-Black-Friday-WD-Easystore-8TB-External-USB-30-Hard-Drive-Black/406267 8tb drive for 130 on black friday 2017-11-22T13:16:55 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T13:26:47 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T13:37:40 < Steffanx> Hello. Im sorry to hear that stvn 2017-11-22T13:37:50 < Steffanx> An icon died. 2017-11-22T13:38:23 < Steffanx> Wikipedia agreed on your story 2017-11-22T13:39:05 < stvn> 999 2017-11-22T13:39:21 < stvn> wassup stffn? 2017-11-22T13:42:33 < Steffanx> Sky. 2017-11-22T13:42:40 < stvn> that is true 2017-11-22T13:42:42 < Steffanx> There? 2017-11-22T13:42:48 < stvn> roof 2017-11-22T13:43:05 < Steffanx> And sky. 2017-11-22T13:43:09 < stvn> yes 2017-11-22T13:43:29 < stvn> the x rays can see through 2017-11-22T13:43:34 < stvn> ~~~~~ 2017-11-22T13:43:40 < stvn> ^ they are the x rays 2017-11-22T13:49:28 < karlp> Thorn: that aoz1282ci datasheet on the lcsc.com website is pretty different from the one on aosmd.com. 2017-11-22T13:49:34 < karlp> half the frequency, twice the current 2017-11-22T13:50:25 < stvn> holy mother of god 2017-11-22T13:50:34 < stvn> its on digikey 2017-11-22T13:51:19 < stvn> aw no synchronous dog? 2017-11-22T13:55:09 < sync> > alpha & omega semiconductor 2017-11-22T13:57:12 < stvn> yeah 2017-11-22T13:58:45 < Thorn> there is aoz1280ci and aoz1282ci and a 3rd very similar one (a LED driver I think) 2017-11-22T13:59:13 < Thorn> maybe somebody confused them lol 2017-11-22T14:02:42 < stvn> yeah muscles 2017-11-22T14:02:46 < stvn> i need lateral mosfets 2017-11-22T14:03:20 < sync> not vertical ones? 2017-11-22T14:07:03 < stvn> ya 2017-11-22T14:08:54 < stvn> http://www.exicon.info/products.php 2017-11-22T14:11:37 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-22T14:11:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T14:26:15 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/mikelectricstuf/status/932914982924189696 2017-11-22T14:29:42 < karlp> that's the same as yesterday, just now on twitter? 2017-11-22T14:41:38 < stvn> if its on twitter 2017-11-22T14:43:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T14:44:59 < Laurenceb> ppl pinging me with pronz 2017-11-22T14:49:51 < stvn> wt 2017-11-22T14:56:42 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/72b030ba12/59526.PNG 2017-11-22T14:56:48 < Laurenceb> looks fake 2 me 2017-11-22T14:57:20 < stvn> what is this mickey mouse shit 2017-11-22T14:57:49 < Laurenceb> looks more likely to be true https://imgoat.com/uploads/72b030ba12/59476.png 2017-11-22T14:57:55 < stvn> i gotta go to charlie's den 2017-11-22T14:58:08 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-22T15:01:52 < Laurenceb> http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160405105924-2-super-169.jpg 2017-11-22T15:02:35 < kakimir> time travel 2017-11-22T15:15:27 -!- SadMan [foobar@sadman.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T15:16:30 -!- SadMan [foobar@sadman.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T15:21:48 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T15:22:32 -!- SadMan [foobar@sadman.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T15:22:43 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T15:23:35 -!- SadMan [foobar@sadman.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T15:40:21 < dongs> r < Laurenceb> http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160405105924-2-super-169.jpg 2017-11-22T15:40:25 < dongs> i dont get it 2017-11-22T15:40:55 * Laurenceb moves to NK 2017-11-22T15:47:20 < Thorn> karlp: I rechecked aoz1282ci datasheets on lcsc, aosmd and ones I've got saved, and they match: 4.5...36V, 1.2A, 450kHz 2017-11-22T15:47:26 < Thorn> also >420mΩ internal NMOS 2017-11-22T15:47:28 -!- yaniv1 [~yaniv@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T15:48:02 < Thorn> not impressive 2017-11-22T15:48:15 < karlp> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/DC-DC-Converters_AOS_AOZ1282CI_AOZ1282CI_C111916.html says 1.2Amps, 450khz, the aosmd says 600mA, 1Mhz 2017-11-22T15:48:33 < karlp> yeah, I'm not real impressed by the part really, needs diode and coil and dividers and allthe caps 2017-11-22T15:49:04 < karlp> compared to some of the AO fets we've got listed in zypsnips 450mohm isn't really very impressive 2017-11-22T15:49:13 < Thorn> http://www.aosmd.com/products/power-ics/ezbuck-dc-dc-buck-regulators/AOZ1282CI 2017-11-22T15:49:53 < Thorn> same 1.2A etc. 2017-11-22T15:49:56 < karlp> oh weird, 2017-11-22T15:49:59 < Thorn> where did you see 600mA? 2017-11-22T15:50:07 < karlp> I got linked to a AOZ1282CI-1 part from their website 2017-11-22T15:50:26 < karlp> http://www.aosmd.com/products/power-ics/ezbuck-dc-dc-buck-regulators/AOZ1282CI-1 2017-11-22T15:50:27 < dongs> i used one of 128x series in something 2017-11-22T15:50:29 < dongs> or maybe englishman did 2017-11-22T15:50:32 < dongs> i used a MPS part instead 2017-11-22T15:50:37 < Thorn> yeah they have that too http://www.aosmd.com/products/power-ics/ezbuck-dc-dc-buck-regulators/AOZ1282CI-1 2017-11-22T15:51:13 < karlp> hehe, DI, is same part in different package, gets it's own datasheet. 2017-11-22T15:52:42 < Thorn> well the price is impressive 2017-11-22T15:52:48 * Thorn clicks add to cart 2017-11-22T15:53:57 < Thorn> what is this thing that Mike is innovating https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPFlEfHW4AAz7YG.jpg:large 2017-11-22T15:55:00 < karlp> who knows what the differnce between ao3400 and ao3400a is? I can't find anything different in the datasheets at all 2017-11-22T15:55:38 < dongs> Thorn: looks like some rageberrypi shield 2017-11-22T15:55:45 < dongs> made in eagle 2017-11-22T15:55:46 < dongs> thus trash 2017-11-22T15:55:47 < Thorn> I think I ordered 3400 from ali and got 3400a instead 2017-11-22T15:56:11 < Thorn> no idea as to the difference but much cheaper than irlml lol 2017-11-22T15:56:48 < zyp> karlp, what do you mean can't find anything different? 3400a has slightly lower R_DSon 2017-11-22T15:57:06 < zyp> 28 vs 26.5 2017-11-22T15:57:58 < karlp> oh right, 3400(a) have differences 2017-11-22T15:58:05 < karlp> 3401(a) (p channel) have no differences 2017-11-22T15:58:29 < Thorn> For I am Alpha and Omega and I make power components cheap. 2017-11-22T15:58:43 < englishman> karlp: -1 is different freq part iirc 2017-11-22T15:59:18 < karlp> dongs: not eagle, I guess kicad from the green backside traces 2017-11-22T15:59:23 < dongs> oh okay 2017-11-22T15:59:32 < dongs> well, not surprised kikecad looks jsut as gross as eagle 2017-11-22T16:00:12 < karlp> ethernet magjack with leds bottom left, right hand one is what, dual stack usb? 2017-11-22T16:00:29 < dongs> looks like it 2017-11-22T16:00:37 < dongs> and both on top of the board 2017-11-22T16:00:44 < karlp> looks like they're shorting them together though? abusing usb cables? 2017-11-22T16:00:47 < dongs> magjack right in front of a fucking phoenix connector 2017-11-22T16:00:48 < dongs> what hte shit 2017-11-22T16:01:45 < karlp> yeah, no idea what's going on there. 2017-11-22T16:01:55 < karlp> dual sided assembly? 2017-11-22T16:01:58 < dongs> MAKE in progress 2017-11-22T16:02:01 < dongs> even if its dualsided 2017-11-22T16:02:08 < dongs> those things have legs sticking out the back 2017-11-22T16:02:12 < dongs> provbly a few mm 2017-11-22T16:02:18 < dongs> still retarded to have ethernet jack there 2017-11-22T16:02:25 < dongs> unless its some weird tall jack 2017-11-22T16:02:27 < karlp> vertical entry maybe?Ð 2017-11-22T16:02:40 < dongs> not with that footprint 2017-11-22T16:02:44 < zyp> haha, wat 2017-11-22T16:03:00 < dongs> zyp, see the twatter screenshot 2017-11-22T16:03:07 < zyp> yeah, I am 2017-11-22T16:03:11 < zyp> thus wat 2017-11-22T16:03:25 < karlp> those rows of phoenix combicon stuff have got to be what, motors or leds? 2017-11-22T16:04:02 < karlp> is 2x17 the rpi3 extended pi connector size? 2017-11-22T16:04:10 < dongs> no lol i was just trollin about pi 2017-11-22T16:04:13 < dongs> i think its 2x20 2017-11-22T16:04:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T16:05:14 < karlp> yeah, orig was 2x13 2017-11-22T16:08:52 < Thorn> https://vimeo.com/236921778 >poem 2017-11-22T16:10:41 -!- daHuaba [8c4e8a1c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.78.138.28] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T16:16:47 < Laurenceb> http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/21/people-are-drinking-raw-onion-juice-to-become-testosterone-pumped-sex-warlords-7096797/ 2017-11-22T16:16:55 < Laurenceb> the trolling is leaking into real life 2017-11-22T16:18:19 < Laurenceb> ywlts uk newspapers reporting of 4chan troll threads as front page news 2017-11-22T16:20:27 < Thorn> lvl 80 circuit design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHN4Tzb0yPs 2017-11-22T16:20:58 < Thorn> can't compete with that on price 2017-11-22T16:25:12 < Thorn> with an exploding condom at the end 2017-11-22T17:12:08 * daey force feeds Laurenceb a nice warm raw onion tea 2017-11-22T17:22:21 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T17:24:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T17:33:01 < tr0ubl3> Trying to flash my uc, and getting this error https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/d47ff628b0f837392904906baaaf2021 I have nrst connected to the stlink 2017-11-22T17:35:01 < karlp> what's in openocd_stm32f0xx.cfg ? 2017-11-22T17:36:45 < tpw_rules> tr0ubl3: is it a standalone stlink or one attached to a discovery board? 2017-11-22T17:39:19 < tr0ubl3> Its a standalone 2017-11-22T17:40:11 < tr0ubl3> karlp: contents: https://gist.github.com 2017-11-22T17:40:26 < tr0ubl3> fail https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/e6d061709fed0c12e3df72a22b78ec8b 2017-11-22T17:40:48 -!- daHuaba [8c4e8a1c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.78.138.28] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-22T17:41:35 < karlp> tr0ubl3: you can try adding "reset_config srst_only srst_nogate connect_assert_srst" 2017-11-22T17:41:47 < karlp> but it's probably also worth rechecking your wiring 2017-11-22T17:42:44 < tr0ubl3> Ok I will check the wiring 2017-11-22T17:44:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T18:01:57 < tr0ubl3> STruggling to find a problem with the wiring 2017-11-22T18:03:01 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-22T18:11:14 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-22T18:11:57 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T18:18:46 < invzim> ragecake 2017-11-22T18:19:10 < invzim> I'm not spending time learning stm32, and not spending time developing for my pcb, I'm spending time fighting with st libraries 2017-11-22T18:23:04 < branjb> st libraries are gr8 2017-11-22T18:24:07 < Laurenceb> lulwut 2017-11-22T18:33:02 < tr0ubl3> The voltages on the stm32 are fine, so not really sure why its not flashing 2017-11-22T18:33:28 < tr0ubl3> Schematic if interested https://i.imgur.com/AhSc3hM.png 2017-11-22T18:37:36 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T18:38:11 < aandrew> heh 2017-11-22T18:38:24 < aandrew> first thing I see on that schematic is gnd symbols pointing 'up' 2017-11-22T18:38:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T18:39:02 < tr0ubl3> Yeah I had to fit them in :p 2017-11-22T18:39:09 < aandrew> make the page bigger 2017-11-22T18:39:19 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T18:39:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T18:39:30 < aandrew> it only leads to confusion down the road. to the side is also acceptable, but still ick. 2017-11-22T18:39:34 < aandrew> (this is all personal opinion BTW) 2017-11-22T18:39:47 < aandrew> What isn't personal opinion though is the lack of a pullup on the RST# line 2017-11-22T18:39:49 < BrainDamage> i draw PE symbols pointing up, because first world anarchist 2017-11-22T18:40:25 < aandrew> nothing else obviously wrong on the STM32 area, although I did not verify that you've connected the I2C lines to pins actually capable of going to the I2C peripheral, same iwth SWD 2017-11-22T18:41:05 < qyx> aandrew: lol gnd 2017-11-22T18:41:07 < tr0ubl3> Yeah when I managed to flash it the i2c worked. 2017-11-22T18:41:19 < aandrew> but yes, in general this is a schematic drawn by a newb. Nothing wrong with that, but if you are interested in drawing better schematics I can offer some critique 2017-11-22T18:42:04 < zyp> aandrew, external pullup isn't required 2017-11-22T18:42:26 < invzim> thank god for git, spi1 used to work but got broken in the last 40 commits or so while I was struggling with sdio and spi2 2017-11-22T18:42:31 < aandrew> zyp: I don't care what is and isn't required, it's good practise not to rely on the internal pullup unless you have good reason 2017-11-22T18:42:52 < zyp> smaller BOM is good enough reason for me 2017-11-22T18:42:53 < tr0ubl3> Yes 2017-11-22T18:43:00 < aandrew> also I'd add 100nf decoupling on both VDDA and VDD (basically you should have 1uf+100nf on every VDD pin 2017-11-22T18:43:05 < tr0ubl3> I am definitely a noob. 2017-11-22T18:43:13 < aandrew> zyp: unless you're making 10k+ that shouldn't even be on your radar 2017-11-22T18:43:22 < qyx> zyp: I have one board which resets every time I touch the debug connector 2017-11-22T18:43:28 < aandrew> no decoupling on the LD1117 2017-11-22T18:43:40 < tr0ubl3> Yeah I know about that, I realised that before I got the board 2017-11-22T18:43:40 < zyp> aandrew, thinking more about board area 2017-11-22T18:44:19 < qyx> then I started adding pullup to the nrst line 2017-11-22T18:44:25 < karlp> aandrew: no need for pullup on rst 2017-11-22T18:44:31 < aandrew> again, unless it's critical the size of an 0805 isn't worth concerning yourself over. I'd much rather have a board that is a little overdone than early-optimizing the shit out of things and wondering 2017-11-22T18:44:33 < karlp> cap to ground recommended only 2017-11-22T18:44:38 < aandrew> karlp: yeah zyp already told me :-) 2017-11-22T18:45:03 < aandrew> you don't appear to be concerned with analog signal fideltiy so VDDA connected directly to VDD is fine 2017-11-22T18:45:25 < tr0ubl3> Yeah I am not using the internal adc 2017-11-22T18:45:41 < karlp> qyx: do you have the cap to ground on rst? 2017-11-22T18:45:44 < aandrew> tr0ubl3: I always put 100 ohms in series with my UART lines because you just know you're gonna fuck up the direction (TX-TX or RX-RX) and the resistors make really handy ways to break the connection and fix it 2017-11-22T18:45:45 < tr0ubl3> Most of the work is done by U2 and I just get the info from that 2017-11-22T18:45:46 < karlp> or did you just add a pullup instead? 2017-11-22T18:45:56 < zyp> aandrew, I like making small boards: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NjEyT.JPG 2017-11-22T18:46:01 < qyx> karlp: yes I have 2017-11-22T18:46:16 < karlp> who needs DFM, we have DFF, design for fuckups 2017-11-22T18:46:17 < aandrew> zyp: you also like wasting money and space on ridiculous tag-connect shit 2017-11-22T18:46:20 < aandrew> apparently 2017-11-22T18:46:40 < zyp> :D 2017-11-22T18:46:57 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T18:47:13 < qyx> karlp: acually on that one failed design I have no cap to ground 2017-11-22T18:47:15 < qyx> O_o 2017-11-22T18:47:19 < karlp> so... :) 2017-11-22T18:47:38 < qyx> interesting, noted in the todo list for a next revision 2017-11-22T18:47:43 < qyx> *the 2017-11-22T18:47:43 * karlp grins 2017-11-22T18:47:51 < aandrew> zyp: I tend to make boards which are eas(ier) to debug/probe, at least in prototype phase: https://imgur.com/BI7v6Bc 2017-11-22T18:48:51 < qyx> so huge, much testpads 2017-11-22T18:48:54 < karlp> and you're certainly more pro, but sometimes you're as prone to cargo culting things like pullups on reset as anyone else is :) 2017-11-22T18:48:55 < Laurenceb> madness 2017-11-22T18:49:01 < aandrew> note the real SWD connector :-) 2017-11-22T18:49:49 < qyx> why do you use transistors to drive the leds? 2017-11-22T18:50:15 < tr0ubl3> Yeah the board I made for it is quite small and also probably awful design https://i.imgur.com/05Cshnl.jpg 2017-11-22T18:50:18 < aandrew> yeah for the cost of a sixth of a cent and the 2.4mm^2, I'll add the resistor. I can always DNP it 2017-11-22T18:50:51 < aandrew> qyx: they're dual mosfets and they're for voltage translation/unloading. some of the signals are 1.8V, some are 3.3V 2017-11-22T18:51:33 < aandrew> qyx: nice. antoher reccomendation: key that 0.100" connector because you know someone (maybe even you) is gonna connect it backward 2017-11-22T18:51:37 < tr0ubl3> so would you guess that there is a problem with the board layout if the schematic is fine? 2017-11-22T18:51:38 < qyx> I can see a white popcorn there 2017-11-22T18:51:42 < aandrew> ideally choose a pinout that will fail nicely when reversed 2017-11-22T18:53:27 < qyx> tr0ubl3: did you connect the ground? 2017-11-22T18:53:45 < aandrew> I make small boards too: http://mixdown.ca/dump/blerocket.jpg 2017-11-22T18:54:08 < tr0ubl3> qyx: Yeah I added in a bodge wire, and I managed to flash one of the previous boards but then accidentally shorted some pins and blew up the STM32. I soldered another one today and it doesnt flash at all. 2017-11-22T18:54:36 < qyx> maybe you blew up something else too 2017-11-22T18:54:51 < tr0ubl3> I soldered a completely new board 2017-11-22T18:55:41 < tr0ubl3> So I am not sure of the problem :/ 2017-11-22T19:02:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-22T19:06:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T19:08:04 < aandrew> well 2017-11-22T19:08:05 < aandrew> break it down 2017-11-22T19:09:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-22T19:09:26 < aandrew> do the supplies look right? Can the programmer see the STM32? How does current draw look? Anything getting hot? inspect carefully, under different light and different angles for shorts. Use a dental pick or toothpick and try to move each pin to make sure they're actually soldered down. 2017-11-22T19:09:53 < aandrew> that board looks pretty grimy - use an old toothbrush and regular old dish soap+water and give it a good scrub 2017-11-22T19:10:24 < aandrew> if that's not no-clean flux, you'll have to use something stronger (get a jug of 99% IPA from walmart for $3) 2017-11-22T19:11:00 < aandrew> there are so few components on that board and there is so much space between them that this should not take more than 10 minutes to do properly 2017-11-22T19:15:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T19:17:07 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-22T19:25:14 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T19:25:37 < qyx> aandrew: what cip do you use for wifi 2017-11-22T19:25:45 < qyx> it is not readable on the picture 2017-11-22T19:26:13 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T19:31:12 < aandrew> qyx: that's just an ESP8266 2017-11-22T19:31:44 < qyx> hm 2017-11-22T19:31:55 < tr0ubl3> Ok will give it a clean. Not sure about current draw as it is being powered by battery, and nothing is getting hot but will check with thermal camera 2017-11-22T19:36:39 < aandrew> dont' bother with the camera. use your nose (literally touch your nose around the board) -- I find it's far more sensitive than my fingers 2017-11-22T19:38:14 < aandrew> general rule of thumb from my power electronics days: if you can hold your hand on it, it's below 40C 2017-11-22T19:41:11 < Rob235> should I go colorful with my website? someone choose a color scheme for me 2017-11-22T19:41:45 < aandrew> I say you should use at least three neon colors and combine with a lot of black outlining and a pastel background 2017-11-22T19:41:47 < qyx> you should use at least two colors preferably 2017-11-22T19:42:01 < emeryth> green on black 2017-11-22T19:42:08 < aandrew> red on blue 2017-11-22T19:42:15 < aandrew> keep it primary 2017-11-22T19:42:27 < aandrew> or blue on black is also good, just make sure the blue is really thin lined font 2017-11-22T19:42:39 < Thorn> attn karlp aoz1282ci is pin compatible with mcp16301t 2017-11-22T19:42:58 < qyx> all good suggestions have been said, I cannot add anything better 2017-11-22T19:43:10 < tr0ubl3> Ok its not getting hot at all 2017-11-22T19:43:55 < aandrew> try a pullup on that RST# line :-) 2017-11-22T19:44:09 < aandrew> is your debugger driving RST#? 2017-11-22T19:44:17 < Rob235> I had it all blue and black but now I'm testing out adding color to show what menu panel is open and I kinda like the added color, I just cant decide on which colors: https://imgur.com/a/OHju3 2017-11-22T19:45:41 < tr0ubl3> aandrew: I will give the pullup a go. Yes the debugger is but I think I remember last time I managed to get it to flash it wasn't connected. Here is the pcb for reference https://i.imgur.com/uT9JSyh.png 2017-11-22T19:47:17 < aandrew> there's some easy fixes to that board to help too 2017-11-22T19:47:25 < aandrew> but nothing that clearly is making it not work 2017-11-22T19:47:39 < aandrew> did you do the toothpick/dental pick test on the STM32? really it should come up right away 2017-11-22T19:47:44 < aandrew> what are you using for a debugger? 2017-11-22T19:48:49 < tr0ubl3> I am using the cheapo stlink things 2017-11-22T19:49:05 < tr0ubl3> I have to go now but I will try the things you said and report back later. Thanks! 2017-11-22T19:49:56 < aandrew> np, good luck. just be methodical 2017-11-22T20:12:45 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-22T20:13:10 < karlp> some of thte stlink clones from ali/ebay don't actually hve hte reset pin wired up properly too... 2017-11-22T20:17:14 < upgrdman> englishman, you around 2017-11-22T20:17:35 < Steffanx> BrainDamage are you back on earth? 2017-11-22T20:17:47 < upgrdman> englishman, iirc you were the one that had success with an ikea wood tabletop + oiling it. what oil? and is sanding before required? 2017-11-22T20:22:18 < upgrdman> if sanding was required, what grit? 2017-11-22T20:24:10 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T20:25:33 < aandrew> I don't know why they called it ST-Link. the first thing I thought of when I saw it was "stink" 2017-11-22T20:27:38 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-22T20:27:39 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-22T20:28:10 < Steffanx> i guess because they all call it XX-link 2017-11-22T20:28:23 < Steffanx> and marketing isnt STs strong point 2017-11-22T20:28:25 < upgrdman> jew-link, etc. 2017-11-22T20:30:05 < aandrew> is that like when they twist their payots together? 2017-11-22T20:31:13 < karlp> so I mean, there was rlink, ktlink, stlink, jlink, what others? 2017-11-22T20:32:51 < englishman> upgrdman: used a clear varnish with no stain for kitchen table. you can stain if you want. for a worksurface you might want something more sturdy like epoxy. tho it takes way more effort 2017-11-22T20:32:57 < englishman> sanding you can do 150->220 2017-11-22T20:33:18 < englishman> maybe used some teak oil before varnish 2017-11-22T20:33:28 < englishman> protects from UV some 2017-11-22T20:34:23 < englishman> varnish should be fine 2017-11-22T20:34:27 -!- ingrix [~ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T20:34:27 < upgrdman> varnish is a paint or an oil? 2017-11-22T20:34:33 < englishman> neither 2017-11-22T20:34:37 < englishman> polyurethane 2017-11-22T20:34:45 < upgrdman> but it, uh, "dries" ? 2017-11-22T20:34:48 < englishman> yea 2017-11-22T20:34:49 < upgrdman> k 2017-11-22T20:35:36 < upgrdman> and what happens if i use the ikea wood as-is? more likely to stain if i spill something on it, and mroe likely to absorb skin oils? 2017-11-22T20:35:44 < englishman> put a lot of coats for a work surface, like 4-6 2017-11-22T20:35:45 < Laurenceb> >ikea 2017-11-22T20:35:47 < Laurenceb> >wood 2017-11-22T20:35:54 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, i know. but this is solid beech 2017-11-22T20:36:04 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-22T20:36:14 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman 2017-11-22T20:36:14 -!- Laurenceb was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [ikea owns the largest private forest in the world] 2017-11-22T20:36:15 < upgrdman> and i didnt want to pay more for what is basically a classy-er disposable work surface 2017-11-22T20:36:22 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-22T20:36:45 < englishman> untreated wood will stain very easily 2017-11-22T20:36:48 < englishman> and also dent, scratch etc 2017-11-22T20:37:12 < upgrdman> polyurethane will help prevent dents?? 2017-11-22T20:37:40 < kakimir> sure 2017-11-22T20:37:43 < englishman> here's bob vila to help you with your home improvement projects 2017-11-22T20:37:44 < englishman> https://www.bobvila.com/articles/varnish-vs-polyurethane/ 2017-11-22T20:37:53 < englishman> polyurethane goes on clear and—in just one or two coats—cures into a scratch- and abrasion-proof hard plastic that is versatile enough for most indoor projects. 2017-11-22T20:38:14 < upgrdman> ok. sorry for all the q's. last q about wood: if im going to apply polyurethane, do i NEED to sand first, and how many coats should i apply? sand between coats? 2017-11-22T20:38:32 < upgrdman> *clicks* 2017-11-22T20:38:34 < englishman> well basically if you dont sand itl be ugly and lumpy 2017-11-22T20:38:37 < englishman> like drywall 2017-11-22T20:38:40 < upgrdman> ah 2017-11-22T20:38:49 < englishman> and you will regret the time and cost you spent on varnish 2017-11-22T20:38:51 < englishman> and redo it in a year 2017-11-22T20:39:04 < upgrdman> when sanding, do i just need to break the surface, or do i need to remove whatever coating ikea applied? 2017-11-22T20:40:03 < englishman> ikea claims to come bare. tho it might have a thin coating of jizz on it. you'll sand mainly to make it smooth 2017-11-22T20:40:09 < branjb> this info is relevant to me 2017-11-22T20:40:18 < upgrdman> k 2017-11-22T20:40:20 < englishman> you can varnish over whatever, but it'll look ugly if it isnt flat 2017-11-22T20:40:25 < branjb> should go in github words of wisdom 2017-11-22T20:40:25 < upgrdman> k 2017-11-22T20:40:46 < upgrdman> yes, because handling your wood is vital to ##stm32 patrons 2017-11-22T20:41:07 < branjb> it is 2017-11-22T20:41:43 < englishman> keep in mind im also noob 2017-11-22T20:42:12 < upgrdman> hmm. reading up on polyurethanes. a matte sheen sounds nice, or would that make the wood look fake as shit? 2017-11-22T20:45:16 < englishman> that's just the reflectivity of the finish 2017-11-22T20:45:29 < englishman> there might be samples at the store you can check out for yourself 2017-11-22T20:45:48 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T20:48:23 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T20:51:11 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T20:51:16 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-22T20:53:21 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-22T20:53:34 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b Laurenceb!*@*] by englishman 2017-11-22T20:53:49 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman 2017-11-22T20:53:51 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-22T20:54:20 < branjb> was that ban for > 2017-11-22T20:54:22 < branjb> or for ikea hate 2017-11-22T20:55:12 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T20:58:39 < aandrew> you really want to sand everything. nobody likes working on a wobbly surface 2017-11-22T20:59:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T21:11:20 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T21:13:13 < DelvingDeeper> Is there anywhere that I can see what the FATFS by elm-chan should be outputting on the pins(like cmd ?) >.< 2017-11-22T21:13:45 < Thorn> it doesn't 2017-11-22T21:14:31 < Thorn> it calls functions from the Media Access Interface that you need to provide 2017-11-22T21:15:12 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T21:15:12 < Thorn> they will presumably call the sdio or usb msc or whatever driver 2017-11-22T21:15:37 < DelvingDeeper> Thorn: Ah ok thanks, I'll need to go through the sdio.c 2017-11-22T21:16:49 < Thorn> http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/00index_e.html ^F Media Access Interface 2017-11-22T21:21:33 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T21:43:02 < kakimir> anyone know issues with raspberry pi3? 2017-11-22T21:43:15 < kakimir> like first one had buggy everything 2017-11-22T21:43:56 < Steffanx> ei kakimir 2017-11-22T21:46:11 < kakimir> ei in this case sounds like imperative mood 2017-11-22T21:46:41 < kakimir> ei kakimir! älä osta raspia! 2017-11-22T21:47:02 < kakimir> no kakimir! do not buy raspi! 2017-11-22T21:48:46 < kakimir> you should use: en tiedä - I don't know or ei ole tiedossa - it's not known 2017-11-22T21:48:48 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T21:49:51 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T21:50:01 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T21:57:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T22:02:35 < Steffanx> it was more like a: works for me (tm) kakimir 2017-11-22T22:03:09 < kakimir> ei ongelmia kakimir 2017-11-22T22:03:16 < kakimir> no issues kakimir 2017-11-22T22:03:27 < kakimir> issues/problems 2017-11-22T22:03:54 < kakimir> toimii minulla - works for me 2017-11-22T22:04:08 < Thorn> do you ever need a xtal for uart/rs-485? 2017-11-22T22:04:24 < Thorn> (because HSI is not accurate enough) 2017-11-22T22:05:21 < kakimir> I think conclusion was that rs232 allows whole range of error that HSI can throw at it 2017-11-22T22:05:40 < kakimir> it's only like under 10bits at time 2017-11-22T22:05:57 < kakimir> so if you look at this timeframe 2017-11-22T22:06:13 < kakimir> throw it off by your HSI error 2017-11-22T22:06:56 < karlp> Thorn: yeah, hsi is fine for ~anything uart based as far as I can tell 2017-11-22T22:07:01 < kakimir> place accurate clock pulses under this timeframing those clock pulses should be well within the timeframe constrants 2017-11-22T22:07:13 < karlp> we only added a crystal to our current rs485 devices for our new "magic science shit" 2017-11-22T22:07:21 < Thorn> I guess it would depend on whether all the devices on your bus are at the same temp 2017-11-22T22:07:45 < karlp> yeah, but even hsi over temp is still prettty much totally ok for most baud rates asiui 2017-11-22T22:09:07 < kakimir> but if there is 2 HSI devices with opposite maximum errors you need to check that case 2017-11-22T22:10:24 < Thorn> stm8s103 HSI is ±1% @5V & 25°C, ±2% @5V over the temp range, ±3% over Vcc & temp ranges 2017-11-22T22:10:25 < kakimir> I think once someone explained me the case when there is to say time accurate PC at another end 2017-11-22T22:10:49 < Steffanx> Better tell Atmel how to do proper RC oscillators. 2017-11-22T22:11:14 < Thorn> l0l that stm8 can be run @ max core/bus freq on HSI 2017-11-22T22:11:18 < englishman> Bitcoin Mining Now Consuming More Electricity Than 159 Countries Including Ireland & Most Countries In Africa 2017-11-22T22:11:57 < englishman> why is that lol 2017-11-22T22:11:57 < Steffanx> ok ty. 2017-11-22T22:12:21 < kakimir> englishman: really? 2017-11-22T22:12:32 < kakimir> show the evidence 2017-11-22T22:12:46 < englishman> https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption 2017-11-22T22:12:47 < Steffanx> I Dont Trust Sentences Where Every Word Starts With A Capital. 2017-11-22T22:12:54 < kakimir> and 159countries combined or more than 159contries? 2017-11-22T22:13:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-22T22:13:56 < kakimir> if it was combined we would have been in serious trouble 2017-11-22T22:14:50 < englishman> individual 2017-11-22T22:15:17 < englishman> buttcoin wastes more energy per year than iceland uses 2017-11-22T22:18:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T22:19:54 < kakimir> well it comes to stop at some point 2017-11-22T22:20:16 < kakimir> when limitations make it unusable 2017-11-22T22:21:30 < invzim> not good at this, but doesn't transactions eat up a crapload as the chain gets bigger? 2017-11-22T22:21:56 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-22T22:22:38 < BrainDamage> no 2017-11-22T22:22:55 < BrainDamage> actually the more transactions there are, the more efficient buttcoin gets 2017-11-22T22:23:23 < BrainDamage> buuut, it takes a ridicolous amount of transactions for buttcoin to break even with normal payment systems 2017-11-22T22:23:58 < kakimir> more transactions - more performance? how 2017-11-22T22:24:06 < BrainDamage> speaking of, today i was bored and i went to a pub, i ended up meeting a bank director, i had a fantastic discussion about buttcoins 2017-11-22T22:26:15 < Laurenceb> 9 reasons that buttcoin is bad, you won't believe number 8 2017-11-22T22:26:25 < kakimir> 2009 I talked about bitcoins to people and they were like wah 2017-11-22T22:26:51 < Laurenceb> we reached out to buttcoin developers to ask why their system is unsuited to 2017 2017-11-22T22:27:33 < kakimir> lo and behold few years later they were like "So bittcoin yeah.. it's a thing" 2017-11-22T22:28:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-1I1z0Lz0Q 2017-11-22T22:29:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfw7iCVtUfw better 2017-11-22T22:32:50 < BrainDamage> englishman: since you've used lora, do you have some links handy to link budget vs bitrate? i've tried finding some but my google-fu failed 2017-11-22T22:33:31 -!- hdt551 [~hdt551@2602:304:ce6c:24b0:92b1:1cff:fe6e:7961] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-22T22:45:56 < branjb> BrainDamage there is a decent lora calculator out there 2017-11-22T22:46:07 < BrainDamage> link 2017-11-22T22:48:18 < branjb> https://en.freedownloadmanager.org/Windows-PC/SX1272-LoRa-calculator-FREE.html seems like a sketchy as fuck website, but should give you the terms to find the real download link 2017-11-22T22:49:11 < branjb> I don't remember where I picked it up from 2017-11-22T22:49:17 < branjb> http://softdeluxe.com/SX1272-LoRa-Calculator-3315328/ ? 2017-11-22T22:49:34 < branjb> should be on semtechs website 2017-11-22T22:50:28 < branjb> o, here you go http://www.semtech.com/wireless-rf/rf-transceivers/sx1272/ 2017-11-22T22:50:34 < branjb> go to docs and resources, it's under software 2017-11-22T22:50:38 < BrainDamage> thanks 2017-11-22T22:50:42 < branjb> http://www.semtech.com/apps/filedown/down.php?file=SX1272LoRaCalculatorSetup1%271.zip 2017-11-22T22:53:25 < Thorn> can you fit spi, i2c, rs-485 and onewire into a 8kB stm8? 2017-11-22T22:57:50 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T22:58:28 < capacitor> the flying dutchman 2017-11-22T22:58:45 < vampi-the-frog> what? 2017-11-22T23:00:29 < capacitor> naffets 2017-11-22T23:00:45 < kakimir> are your supposed to do something with it? 2017-11-22T23:00:53 < kakimir> with those 2017-11-22T23:00:56 < kakimir> Thorn 2017-11-22T23:01:08 < kakimir> then you can do something really simple 2017-11-22T23:01:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T23:02:30 < Thorn> respond to rtu-like packets, take measurements from sensors and send them over rs-485 2017-11-22T23:03:26 < kakimir> with really simple protocol you might have chance 2017-11-22T23:03:52 < invzim> hmok, so it wasn't actually cube's fault 2017-11-22T23:04:36 < invzim> that's 4-5 hours wasted 2017-11-22T23:04:55 < invzim> I need unit testing :) 2017-11-22T23:05:04 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-22T23:06:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-22T23:07:49 < jadew> don't know wtf happened but all the affordable T962A ovens got sold right when I decided to buy one 2017-11-22T23:08:04 < invzim> I hear they are poop 2017-11-22T23:08:06 < jadew> and now everything available on ebay is %50+ more expensive 2017-11-22T23:08:36 < jadew> invzim, I heard that once you replace the tape and make a few mods, it's fine 2017-11-22T23:09:02 < invzim> which runs quite a bit of time and money 2017-11-22T23:09:21 < jadew> not really, an hour or two 2017-11-22T23:09:28 < invzim> good luck :) 2017-11-22T23:09:38 < jadew> what do you suggest instead? 2017-11-22T23:10:02 < invzim> I got qs-5100, build quality is OK - haven't really used it, but the temperature controls seems very crappy after a couple of tests 2017-11-22T23:10:39 < invzim> some guy on eevblog said it just worked out of the box ,not my experience 2017-11-22T23:10:50 < jadew> heh 2017-11-22T23:10:52 < invzim> anyho - you can check it out if you haven't already 2017-11-22T23:11:09 < jadew> yeah, I've seen it 2017-11-22T23:12:45 < jadew> seems to be as small as the T962 2017-11-22T23:12:55 < jadew> I'm looking for the T962A, which is a bit bigger 2017-11-22T23:13:28 < jadew> 30x32 vs 18x23 2017-11-22T23:13:33 < jadew> (cm) 2017-11-22T23:13:35 < invzim> ali not an option? 2017-11-22T23:13:50 < invzim> <400usd with DHL shipping 2017-11-22T23:13:59 < jadew> yeah, was hoping for something in the EU 2017-11-22T23:14:16 < jadew> stuff from china takes a lot to get here and then there's the customs complication 2017-11-22T23:14:22 < invzim> I considered getting the 962(a) and pimping it with a kit, but meh 2017-11-22T23:14:26 < jadew> I try to avoid it for bigger things 2017-11-22T23:14:51 < invzim> not a problem in Norway, we get customs and tax on everything regardless :) 2017-11-22T23:15:38 < jadew> that's weird 2017-11-22T23:15:56 < invzim> what do you need it for? After actually having one, I think it's use it pretty limited 2017-11-22T23:16:12 < jadew> invzim, I want to start manufacturing some boards 2017-11-22T23:16:36 < invzim> china is le cheap, and assembly is going to be a PITA regardless 2017-11-22T23:16:58 < jadew> yeah, but I don't want to give china everything they need to clone my stuff 2017-11-22T23:16:58 < invzim> unless of course you get a p&p, but then your budget can probably cover something more fancy than the 962 2017-11-22T23:17:15 < jadew> I'll p&p by hand 2017-11-22T23:17:32 < jadew> I have a little suction pump that seems to work fine 2017-11-22T23:17:55 < jadew> a p&p machine would be great, but I'm not there yet 2017-11-22T23:18:03 < invzim> how many parts on the pcb you have in mind? 2017-11-22T23:18:21 < jadew> ~40 2017-11-22T23:18:26 < jadew> so not that many 2017-11-22T23:18:45 < invzim> yeah, there is a sweet spot there somewhere for that scale 2017-11-22T23:19:01 < invzim> current board I'm workin on has 157 and takes damn forever - oven or not 2017-11-22T23:19:24 < karlp> Thorn: stm32l1 runs at full speed form hsi too. 2017-11-22T23:20:14 < invzim> I may do bga one day, and then over will come in handy 2017-11-22T23:20:17 < invzim> oven 2017-11-22T23:21:19 < karlp> Thorn: you'r emixing onewire, i2c _and_ spi sensors? :) 2017-11-22T23:21:19 < BrainDamage> the problem of bga is not the soldering part, it's the defect check 2017-11-22T23:21:34 < Thorn> yes 2017-11-22T23:21:42 < BrainDamage> without an xray machine you cannnot be sure if it's a wiring defect or a software one 2017-11-22T23:21:48 < Thorn> I just got rid of an analog one 2017-11-22T23:21:53 < BrainDamage> it makes debug a nightmare 2017-11-22T23:22:13 < Thorn> so only 3 protocols l0lz 2017-11-22T23:22:18 * karlp grins 2017-11-22T23:22:31 < jadew> BrainDamage, do the cheap chinese assembly houses x-ray all the boards? 2017-11-22T23:22:50 < jadew> or do they just know that they have yield of x% and they're fine with that 2017-11-22T23:22:51 < BrainDamage> no, they just have the process down reliable enough the defect rate doesn't warrant it 2017-11-22T23:23:00 < jadew> I see 2017-11-22T23:23:07 < BrainDamage> they still take some statistical sampling for the boards 2017-11-22T23:23:25 < BrainDamage> but no 100% test coverage, to my knowledge 2017-11-22T23:23:44 < BrainDamage> the problem is that the moment you do a diy process, you won't know 2017-11-22T23:23:56 < BrainDamage> if all goes well, then good, you have np 2017-11-22T23:24:17 < BrainDamage> if you have problems, then you have the headache you need a way to distinguish hw faults from sw 2017-11-22T23:24:36 < BrainDamage> which is possible in some cases, but not always 2017-11-22T23:24:41 < jadew> you could have a good test setup and if you have good yield, you could just rely on that 2017-11-22T23:24:42 < Thorn> without an xray machine you cannnot be sure if it's a wiring defect or a software one <-- boundary scan? 2017-11-22T23:25:03 < BrainDamage> Thorn: boundary scan here would be equivalent to unit testing every single pin 2017-11-22T23:25:12 < Thorn> (it's still going to be a PITA even if it works) 2017-11-22T23:25:21 < BrainDamage> imagine if say, some psu pins don't get attached 2017-11-22T23:25:26 < BrainDamage> like those with the psu caps 2017-11-22T23:25:36 < BrainDamage> it'd still work, but in some workloads it'd glitch 2017-11-22T23:25:42 < BrainDamage> good fucking luck debug it 2017-11-22T23:26:33 < BrainDamage> or if the connection is unreliable as in it works, but only within certain temp ranges 2017-11-22T23:26:42 < BrainDamage> due to termal warping 2017-11-22T23:27:02 < BrainDamage> there's a lot of failure modes, again, if it all works, then you have np 2017-11-22T23:27:35 < BrainDamage> but when you have a fault, then you cannot always rule out hw fault, assume sw first, but it can potentially throw you into a goose chase 2017-11-22T23:28:46 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-22T23:30:50 < BrainDamage> given enough time ofc, you can almost always infer the problem source, it's just ... not efficient 2017-11-22T23:32:16 < jadew> https://youtu.be/3c5Vtuefm7o?t=84 2017-11-22T23:32:23 < qyx> I had a 32KB F0 for i2c, one simple SPI protocol and a NTC 2017-11-22T23:32:26 < jadew> 1.7k p&p 2017-11-22T23:32:32 < invzim> then get a friend with xray access 2017-11-22T23:32:33 < invzim> :) 2017-11-22T23:32:34 < qyx> it was like 6K for them, except the NTC 2017-11-22T23:32:46 < qyx> then I added NTC and it has grown to 24K 2017-11-22T23:32:47 < qyx> Thorn: ^ 2017-11-22T23:32:51 < qyx> because of exp() 2017-11-22T23:45:31 -!- Kug3lis [~Kug3lis@46.101.41.56] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-22T23:46:09 < Kug3lis> Hi, stupid question then using stm32 cube libs usb device is connected to sd card, can I write at the same time to the sd card? 2017-11-22T23:51:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] --- Day changed Thu Nov 23 2017 2017-11-23T00:14:35 < kakimir> are you usb innovators trying to replicate https://hakshop.com/products/usb-rubber-ducky-deluxe 2017-11-23T00:22:32 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/itm/RJ45-Male-to-USB-AF-A-Female-Adapter-Socket-LAN-Network-Ethernet-Router-Plug-AHA/172456316914 what the hell is this? 2017-11-23T00:25:52 < kakimir> is there a way to do packet sniffing on router? 2017-11-23T00:26:02 < kakimir> run some server 2017-11-23T00:26:15 < BrainDamage> arp poisoning 2017-11-23T00:27:27 < kakimir> interesting 2017-11-23T00:28:09 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-23T00:29:09 < BrainDamage> you can ofc only sniff the data that goes trough the local lan 2017-11-23T00:29:16 < BrainDamage> not the internet side 2017-11-23T00:29:28 < BrainDamage> internet side requires actual access to the router 2017-11-23T00:29:49 < kakimir> that is pretty much what I'm interested about 2017-11-23T00:30:05 < kakimir> almost having seperate router would be useful 2017-11-23T00:30:11 < kakimir> instead of modem-router 2017-11-23T00:30:28 < BrainDamage> yeah, it's almost always better to have modem and router separated, just more expensive 2017-11-23T00:31:28 < BrainDamage> i mean, with arp spoofing you can check traffic that goes back and forth to the internet, but only that has source/dest a lan machine 2017-11-23T00:31:32 < BrainDamage> not the router itself 2017-11-23T00:31:59 < BrainDamage> which is typically 99% of the cases you're interested in 2017-11-23T00:32:09 < kakimir> you need to poison every client you want to sniff? 2017-11-23T00:32:31 < kakimir> it's client side method right? 2017-11-23T00:32:50 < kakimir> I'm more currious what my routers are doing 2017-11-23T00:32:52 < BrainDamage> depends which direction of comm you're interested in 2017-11-23T00:33:05 < kakimir> in case of mirai 2017-11-23T00:33:11 < BrainDamage> if you spoof the router, then you can intercept all the traffic that goes to the router 2017-11-23T00:33:20 < Kug3lis> Kakimir no, I am doing DataLogger for sensors and etc and want to be able access sd card contents then its still running 2017-11-23T00:33:26 < BrainDamage> if you spoof a client, then you can check all the traffic that goes to a client 2017-11-23T00:33:41 < BrainDamage> if you want all the traffic from/to a client, then you need the router AND that client 2017-11-23T00:33:42 < kakimir> Kug3lis goes into defence 2017-11-23T00:34:16 < kakimir> let's say I have one router in downstream of modem-router 2017-11-23T00:34:32 < kakimir> and I want to look for mirai and similar 2017-11-23T00:35:19 < BrainDamage> with arp spoofing you'd be only be able to detect mirai infected lan clients 2017-11-23T00:35:24 < BrainDamage> not the router itself 2017-11-23T00:36:06 < kakimir> I need to physically go between the routers 2017-11-23T00:36:19 < BrainDamage> get a scalpel 2017-11-23T00:36:24 < kakimir> have you had mirai BrainDamage ? 2017-11-23T00:36:35 < kakimir> I suspect it in one of my routers 2017-11-23T00:36:46 < kakimir> I was acting weird 2017-11-23T00:36:48 < BrainDamage> not that i know of, but i don't particularry give a shit 2017-11-23T00:36:57 < kakimir> had lan side admin - admin combo 2017-11-23T00:37:03 < BrainDamage> as long as i don't have ridicolously bad perf, who cares 2017-11-23T00:37:07 < kakimir> brother used some nasty vpn service 2017-11-23T00:37:27 < BrainDamage> i treat anything past my network plug as an untrusted machine 2017-11-23T00:37:34 < BrainDamage> that includes my other lan pcs 2017-11-23T00:37:49 < kakimir> but you trust your main machine? 2017-11-23T00:38:11 < BrainDamage> i trust my pc, i trust my other arm boards, i don't trust the lan that links them 2017-11-23T00:38:27 < BrainDamage> or the shitty router 2017-11-23T00:38:37 < kakimir> you know intel is already inside your machine? 2017-11-23T00:38:44 < BrainDamage> yes, and? 2017-11-23T00:39:07 < BrainDamage> the ME being an idiocy is well known since 10 years or so 2017-11-23T00:39:13 < sync> basically lunix'd by the oem 2017-11-23T00:39:19 < sync> or rather minix'd 2017-11-23T00:39:42 < kakimir> somebody somewhere has backdoor keys to your machine 2017-11-23T00:39:52 < sync> that will always be the case 2017-11-23T00:40:26 < kakimir> but does it go deeper than that 2017-11-23T00:40:39 < BrainDamage> unless you manage to piss off someone, your main concern is drive by attacks 2017-11-23T00:40:46 < kakimir> hidden parts inside hidden part 2017-11-23T00:40:55 < BrainDamage> so protecting the network exposed surface is what you care 2017-11-23T00:41:01 < BrainDamage> rest is crypto nerd autism 2017-11-23T00:41:10 < jadew> BrainDamage, I treat them the same 2017-11-23T00:41:46 < jadew> I make it so they can be accessed and access only PCs they should be dealing with 2017-11-23T00:42:20 < jadew> in some instances, I don't let them access aything, other than already established connections (initiated by somewhere else) 2017-11-23T00:42:39 < jadew> for example, I have thingie that connects to the TV 2017-11-23T00:42:54 < jadew> that thing can only access the internet 2017-11-23T00:42:56 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@172.79.104.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-23T00:43:36 < jadew> I wish I had a smarter switch 2017-11-23T00:43:40 < BrainDamage> i don't give a shit about these, again, i assume my lan is as secure as the internet, i just use the same crypto protocols in lan as i do on in the internet 2017-11-23T00:44:01 < BrainDamage> bonus points, my setup in lan or internet changes 0, only an ip/dns 2017-11-23T00:44:49 < BrainDamage> it's slightly more cognitive load to setup to search for the right software, but it's simpler in configuration, literally the same software 2017-11-23T00:44:53 < jadew> well, you have to relax those rules a bit, otherwise you're losing a lot of functionality 2017-11-23T00:45:13 < BrainDamage> such as? 2017-11-23T00:45:21 < jadew> sharing media for example 2017-11-23T00:45:40 < jadew> the media server is open to the lan 2017-11-23T00:45:45 < karlp> (and if you piss someone off, it's pretty mcuh all over anyway) 2017-11-23T00:46:16 < BrainDamage> jadew: media server is open to a vpn instead of lan to my case 2017-11-23T00:46:47 < BrainDamage> the same vpn also lets me access my media server trough the internet 2017-11-23T00:46:57 < BrainDamage> so again, i use the same config in lan and internet 2017-11-23T00:47:07 < jadew> yeah, not a bad deal I guess 2017-11-23T00:56:51 < branjb> is lwip raw api the easiest way to do a simple "wait for packet, do something when packet arrives" type thing? 2017-11-23T01:02:29 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-23T01:09:54 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T01:09:57 < Laurenceb_> reeeeeeeeeeeeee 2017-11-23T01:10:05 < Laurenceb_> *Autastic screeching* 2017-11-23T01:10:11 < sync> ok 2017-11-23T01:11:14 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T01:11:17 < capacitor> reeeeeeeeeeeeeee 2017-11-23T01:12:15 < Thorn> (David Attenborough voice) Laurenceb_'s call has attracted a mate 2017-11-23T01:13:15 * karlp lols 2017-11-23T01:16:31 < capacitor> ya fucken dogs!!!!!!!! 2017-11-23T01:21:52 < capacitor> is the officer in today? 2017-11-23T01:22:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-23T01:25:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T01:33:12 < Laurenceb_> why is my inbox full of Black Friday spam 2017-11-23T01:33:19 < Laurenceb_> and more importantly wtf is it 2017-11-23T01:33:51 < capacitor> its an american thing 2017-11-23T01:33:57 < BrainDamage> i'm pretty sure you'll be able to make a racist joke out of it, ooorrr, you could spend 10 min in wikipedia to see what it is 2017-11-23T01:34:04 < capacitor> you get a government funded bonus for killing 100 black people 2017-11-23T01:34:13 < BrainDamage> called it 2017-11-23T01:34:18 < capacitor> ;3 2017-11-23T01:34:38 < capacitor> anyway 2017-11-23T01:34:46 < capacitor> i need to find a job 2017-11-23T01:38:03 < englishman> same 2017-11-23T01:38:11 < branjb> same 2017-11-23T01:38:22 < englishman> the position of ##stm32 hentai censor is available 2017-11-23T01:38:31 < capacitor> sweet 2017-11-23T01:38:39 < englishman> didn't you take the wfh mlm job branjb 2017-11-23T01:38:39 < capacitor> when can i start 2017-11-23T01:38:54 < branjb> yeah 2017-11-23T01:42:45 < branjb> just got an email about a tesla recruitment event 2017-11-23T01:42:55 < branjb> dec 7th in sacramento 2017-11-23T01:43:15 < branjb> Tesla is accelerating the shift toward sustainable transport and energy consumption by producing the world’s best electric cars and energy storage systems. We hire the world’s best and brightest people to help make this future a reality. 2017-11-23T01:43:32 < englishman> make sure you get cash signing bonus instead of stock 2017-11-23T01:52:48 < capacitor> why no solar roadway 2017-11-23T01:53:45 < capacitor> i mean hyperloop 2017-11-23T01:55:36 < capacitor> https://i.imgur.com/kbrJBcZ.jpg 2017-11-23T01:57:18 < kakimir> tesla recruit? 2017-11-23T01:57:39 < kakimir> branjb: how did you get such invitation? 2017-11-23T02:12:14 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-23T02:25:20 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-23T02:25:23 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop is even more lulzy than emdrive tbh 2017-11-23T02:26:40 < Laurenceb_> at least emdrive admits its outside the realm of real physics 2017-11-23T02:26:56 < Laurenceb_> whereas hyperloop just fudges equations until it works 2017-11-23T02:28:26 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop even has magic steam with zero volume 2017-11-23T02:33:50 < Laurenceb_> inb4 goatseloop 2017-11-23T02:38:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-23T02:42:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T02:55:59 -!- enh [~enhering@179.178.41.245.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T02:56:36 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-23T02:56:56 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T02:57:49 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-23T02:58:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-23T03:04:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should make a sane hyperloop 2017-11-23T03:04:40 < Laurenceb_> prob more sane than shaken babby 2017-11-23T03:04:51 < Thorn> COMPONENT LEVEL repair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2m-hr_rVIE 2017-11-23T03:06:25 < jadew> Thorn, he got bald? 2017-11-23T03:06:43 < Thorn> that's probably an employee 2017-11-23T03:06:48 < Thorn> or an apprentice 2017-11-23T03:06:55 < Laurenceb_> or a slave 2017-11-23T03:07:12 < Thorn> I haven't followed him for a long time 2017-11-23T03:07:17 < Thorn> he's now swearing in Russian wtf 2017-11-23T03:07:30 < Laurenceb_> Thorn is Russian? 2017-11-23T03:07:38 < jadew> never found his stuff too interesting 2017-11-23T03:08:35 * Laurenceb_ just heard from Russian grrl 2017-11-23T03:08:48 < Laurenceb_> wurk email inviting us to the staff fuddle 2017-11-23T03:08:50 < Laurenceb_> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fuddle 2017-11-23T03:08:54 < Thorn> Laurenceb_ I thought you learned that years ago lol 2017-11-23T03:08:57 < Laurenceb_> she reads second definition... 2017-11-23T03:09:11 < Laurenceb_> so it was you who hacked the election? 2017-11-23T03:09:20 -!- enh [~enhering@179.178.41.245.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [] 2017-11-23T03:09:59 < jadew> Laurenceb_, and she was ok with it? 2017-11-23T03:10:08 < Thorn> election is nothing, don't forget brexit 2017-11-23T03:10:16 < Laurenceb_> actually the first definition is bad enough 2017-11-23T03:10:20 < Laurenceb_> heh 2017-11-23T03:10:33 < Laurenceb_> jadew: no she is raging and going feminazi 2017-11-23T03:10:43 < Laurenceb_> inb4 mary sue article all about it 2017-11-23T03:12:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T03:13:11 < kakimir> that is not rossman? 2017-11-23T03:13:18 < kakimir> what is happening 2017-11-23T03:13:45 < jadew> http://therandomlab.blogspot.ro/2017/07/halogen-floodlight-smt-reflow.html 2017-11-23T03:13:49 < capacitor> where is feminazi 2017-11-23T03:13:51 < jadew> kakimir, he got bald 2017-11-23T03:16:19 < Laurenceb_> jadew: nice 2017-11-23T03:16:28 < Laurenceb_> I was going to build that ages ago 2017-11-23T03:16:32 < Laurenceb_> but then I got high 2017-11-23T03:17:27 * Laurenceb_ got IR halogen heat lamps instead 2017-11-23T03:17:47 < jadew> looks like something useful if you're tight on space 2017-11-23T03:20:36 < capacitor> CRT tech 2017-11-23T03:20:49 < capacitor> dr.b will tell you all bout it 2017-11-23T03:21:23 < Laurenceb_> capacitor: feminazi is in my basement 2017-11-23T03:21:34 < Laurenceb_> its funny cuz she browses 4chan and everything 2017-11-23T03:21:40 < capacitor> better give her/him some of that then 2017-11-23T03:21:56 < capacitor> do like jimmy savile 2017-11-23T03:21:57 < Laurenceb_> but a staff Fuddle is too offensive 2017-11-23T03:22:06 < Laurenceb_> not old enough 2017-11-23T03:22:08 < Laurenceb_> wait wut 2017-11-23T03:22:14 < capacitor> Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile, OBE, KCSG 2017-11-23T03:22:16 < Laurenceb_> :P 2017-11-23T03:22:30 < Laurenceb_> I mean I'm not old enough to have been molested by him 2017-11-23T03:22:31 < capacitor> :} 2017-11-23T03:22:36 < capacitor> yeah 2017-11-23T03:26:00 < Laurenceb_> this halogen system looks just like my half built shit 2017-11-23T03:26:09 < Laurenceb_> good to know it will work 2017-11-23T03:26:21 < capacitor> halogen dogs 2017-11-23T03:28:33 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T03:28:43 < capacitor> turn me on dead man 2017-11-23T03:32:05 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T03:35:24 < jadew> not sure what to do, get a convection oven and just cook my boards like a pizza or pay more for one of those T962A, despite everyone saying they're shit 2017-11-23T03:35:45 < jadew> I already have an oven, but it stinks 2017-11-23T03:36:39 < capacitor> cook it all 2017-11-23T03:38:14 < jadew> lol, found one with a hotplate too 2017-11-23T03:38:22 < jadew> https://www.emag.ro/cuptor-electric-albatros-a45bp2-3500-w-45-l-96592/pd/DR39SYBBM/ 2017-11-23T03:39:13 < jadew> you can do even more boards at the same time 2017-11-23T03:39:15 < Thorn> he's so fond of rattling off net names lol 2017-11-23T03:40:38 < capacitor> i rattle off all the time 2017-11-23T03:42:34 < kakimir> where is leelominai? 2017-11-23T03:42:50 < kakimir> my fam trans peoples 2017-11-23T03:44:08 < jadew> Steffanx chased her away 2017-11-23T03:44:13 < capacitor> this is true 2017-11-23T03:46:15 < jadew> I think I'll get this one https://www.emag.ro/cuptor-electric-star-light-1800w-230-de-grade-42l-convectie-timer-grill-negru-cec-4218/pd/DXDG0YBBM/ 2017-11-23T03:46:25 < capacitor> and thus ##stm32 was made great again 2017-11-23T03:46:26 < jadew> since it has so many good revies, for baking bread and stuff 2017-11-23T03:46:35 < capacitor> bbl fam 2017-11-23T03:46:38 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-23T03:47:14 < jadew> would have prefered one with an exhaust hole, so I could channel the fumes out the window 2017-11-23T03:48:21 < jadew> this looks good: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3300W-220V-reflow-welding-machine-LY-962D-Digital-display-with-programmable-reflow-oven-free-tax-to/32719246565.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.25.ubs9dm&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10345_10342_10343_10340_10171_10341_10541_10562_10084_10083_10304_10307_10301_10539_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_10533_100031_10103_10594_10557_10596_10595_10107_10142,searchweb201603_14,p 2017-11-23T03:48:24 < jadew> sorry 2017-11-23T03:48:38 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3300W-220V-reflow-welding-machine-LY-962D-Digital-display-with-programmable-reflow-oven-free-tax-to/32719246565.html 2017-11-23T03:48:58 < jadew> but pricey 2017-11-23T03:50:54 < branjb> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Barnstead-ThermolyneType-1900-Hot-Plate-Model-HP-A1915B-Stainless-Steel/132355449098?epid=505786679&hash=item1ed0ffe10a:g:j6kAAOSw6HJZ2VNA 2017-11-23T03:52:18 < upgrdman> jadew, why not just use a hot air station 2017-11-23T03:52:34 < upgrdman> shit, i've use a fucking HEAT GUN before with 0% failure rate 2017-11-23T03:52:55 < jadew> upgrdman, I do that for one offs 2017-11-23T03:53:17 < jadew> but if I make 10 or 20 boards, it seems like a waste of time 2017-11-23T03:53:26 < upgrdman> or if you want to be pro-er, a toaster over. $15. 2017-11-23T03:53:46 < upgrdman> turn temp to max, turn on, when solder melts, turn off and open door. 2017-11-23T03:53:59 < jadew> yeah, I've been looking at that too 2017-11-23T03:54:05 < jadew> I think that's what I'll do for now 2017-11-23T03:54:29 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-06-01_PCB_Design_and_Etching/step10.jpg 2017-11-23T03:54:34 < branjb> i've used hot plates, they work really well 2017-11-23T03:54:42 < branjb> can get them for $50 on ebay 2017-11-23T03:54:48 < upgrdman> if you use a stencil, then a toaster oven would be perfect for cheap work 2017-11-23T03:55:03 < upgrdman> ya hot plates are cool too 2017-11-23T03:55:22 < jadew> branjb, the problem with the hot plate is that it has a lot of thermal mass, so you can't cool it as fast as you can with an oven 2017-11-23T03:55:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-23T03:56:19 < branjb> yup, got to be a lot more careful. the way i usually do it is put a piece of aluminum between the board and hot plate, then once everything has reflowed, I just very carefully lift the aluminum up 2017-11-23T03:56:47 < branjb> aluminum foil that is 2017-11-23T03:56:47 < jadew> can't you use a pan? 2017-11-23T03:56:51 < jadew> ah 2017-11-23T03:56:58 < branjb> you probably could 2017-11-23T04:00:18 < aandrew> that's one thing you 220V countries have ... real power coming out of the walls 2017-11-23T04:08:57 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-23T04:09:57 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T04:32:47 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@ip-142-232-160-78.ptr.bcit.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T05:45:42 < jsoft> 220V? 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I am confused 2017-11-23T13:19:50 < qyx> isnt it soldered upside down? 2017-11-23T13:19:51 < karlp> does your stlink connect to another board? 2017-11-23T13:21:14 < tr0ubl3> qyx: Which part? 2017-11-23T13:21:23 < tr0ubl3> karlp: Yes works fine with the bluepill 2017-11-23T13:22:26 < zyp> tr0ubl3, I haven't been following completely, where are you at now? 2017-11-23T13:23:49 < tr0ubl3> zyp: I have cleaned the board completely and checked all connections and still cannot flash. 2017-11-23T13:23:54 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-23T13:24:18 < zyp> just to confirm that my memory is right, this is still about the F0 with the BQ battery monitoring chip? 2017-11-23T13:24:24 < tr0ubl3> Yes 2017-11-23T13:24:43 < zyp> the other day you had problems with 3.3V not being present, how did you sort out that? 2017-11-23T13:25:17 < tr0ubl3> Yes I did, I had wrong value cap the board is now powered 2017-11-23T13:25:35 < tr0ubl3> Wait one I am going to boot into windows I think my stlink is bad 2017-11-23T13:29:39 < zyp> do you have a link to the schematic again? 2017-11-23T13:33:35 < tr0ubl3> Stlink is fine. Would you like an image or the kicad pro 2017-11-23T13:39:03 < tr0ubl3> zyp: https://i.imgur.com/tnIfyLi.png 2017-11-23T13:44:16 < jadew> pin 13 is not connected to 14 2017-11-23T13:44:41 < jadew> pin 10 is not connected to R6 2017-11-23T13:45:02 < jadew> (for U2) 2017-11-23T13:45:12 < jadew> U1 pin 15 not connected to gnd 2017-11-23T13:45:28 < karlp> neither of which should matter for talking to the stm32 2017-11-23T13:45:46 < karlp> that u1 pin 15 will though I bet 2017-11-23T13:45:55 < jadew> I don't know what the issue is, I didn't follow 2017-11-23T13:46:01 < jadew> I just thought it's a funny pic, so I clicked 2017-11-23T13:46:10 < jadew> it's just a bit funny 2017-11-23T13:47:22 < tr0ubl3> They are connected on the board the schematic spazzed out 2017-11-23T13:47:30 < karlp> tr0ubl3: can you check continuity from the lead on pin 15 to a different ground point? 2017-11-23T13:47:50 < tr0ubl3> Okay 2017-11-23T13:52:31 < tr0ubl3> Yeah its connected 2017-11-23T13:52:48 < zyp> tr0ubl3, you mentioned a wrong capacitor value 2017-11-23T13:52:49 < zyp> which? 2017-11-23T13:53:05 < tr0ubl3> https://i.imgur.com/uT9JSyh.png is the pcb you can see its stitched to gnd plane 2017-11-23T13:53:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T13:53:34 < tr0ubl3> C5 was not good wasnt giving the correct voltage spike to turn on the bq 2017-11-23T13:53:54 < zyp> and because of that it was getting hot? 2017-11-23T13:54:32 < tr0ubl3> No it was getting hot because of a short between pins 8 and 9 on U2. I am now using a different board which does not have the short, but cannot be flashed 2017-11-23T13:55:06 < zyp> okay, that makes sense 2017-11-23T13:56:08 < zyp> to rule out any power issues, can you measure directly between pins 15 and 16 on the stm that it is getting 3.3V? 2017-11-23T13:56:42 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-23T13:57:42 < tr0ubl3> Yeah its getting 3.3 2017-11-23T13:58:05 < zyp> okay, so the chip is powered 2017-11-23T13:58:28 < zyp> how are you hooking up the debugger? got a pic? 2017-11-23T14:02:15 < tr0ubl3> https://i.imgur.com/KyN3LS7.jpg bad angle but here is board connection 2017-11-23T14:02:31 < tr0ubl3> And where those wires go into debugger https://i.imgur.com/TW4G15e.jpg 2017-11-23T14:03:34 < zyp> tried without the blue? 2017-11-23T14:05:00 < tr0ubl3> Yeah nothing. This is fustrating. 2017-11-23T14:06:54 < karlp> you're not connecting to teh swim pin instead of the swdio pin are you? 2017-11-23T14:07:24 < karlp> shouldn't we be able to see a gold pin in front of the white lead? if you were connected to swdio? 2017-11-23T14:07:31 < karlp> or is the angle just wrong and it's behind the shield? 2017-11-23T14:07:48 < karlp> (I've not checked that you've got the right pins for swdio/swdclk on the tsop20 package at all) 2017-11-23T14:08:00 < zyp> I checked that, looks all right to me 2017-11-23T14:08:57 < aandrew> whoa, jadew wins the prize 2017-11-23T14:09:06 < aandrew> I did not notice the missing junctions 2017-11-23T14:09:16 < karlp> aandrew: well, except that they checked that, and the pcb layout shows it connected, sooo 2017-11-23T14:09:44 < tr0ubl3> The swclk and swdio and connected to the right headers :/ 2017-11-23T14:09:56 < tr0ubl3> I think its probably to do with the bad reset config maybe? 2017-11-23T14:10:09 < zyp> reset doesn't matter 2017-11-23T14:10:38 < aandrew> tr0ubl3: you had an identical board flash before, so we know the layout is good 2017-11-23T14:10:44 < karlp> unless the spu is inlockups. 2017-11-23T14:10:49 < tr0ubl3> I am stumped then. 2017-11-23T14:10:54 < zyp> aandrew, did he? news to me 2017-11-23T14:10:59 < aandrew> I thought he did? 2017-11-23T14:11:09 < zyp> I haven't been following everything 2017-11-23T14:11:11 < karlp> only thing that's worked is the stlink dongle to a bluepill 2017-11-23T14:11:41 < tr0ubl3> No aandrew is right, I managed to get a previous board flashing 2017-11-23T14:11:53 < aandrew> I would put 100nf from reset to ground and 1k from reset to 3.3V, see if the STM32 is identified by the STLINK. If not, swap SWDIO/SWDCK and try again (I have fucked this up numerous times) 2017-11-23T14:12:06 < zyp> tr0ubl3, what has changed since then? 2017-11-23T14:12:13 < aandrew> this is too simple to be a real issue 2017-11-23T14:12:26 < aandrew> brb rebooting 2017-11-23T14:12:31 < Thorn> does this board even pass DRC 2017-11-23T14:12:36 < tr0ubl3> zyp: I blew that board up so soldered a new one 2017-11-23T14:12:39 < tr0ubl3> Yes 2017-11-23T14:13:09 < zyp> tr0ubl3, solder another, try again 2017-11-23T14:13:11 < Thorn> this is the messiest routing I've seen in a long time 2017-11-23T14:13:29 < zyp> sounds like you killed the mcu during soldering or something 2017-11-23T14:13:35 < tr0ubl3> Yeah I know I have not done this before 2017-11-23T14:14:57 < zyp> if the chip is powered and you have swdio and swclk right, you should get a debugger connection, and if you know the debugger is good, that leaves a dead mcu 2017-11-23T14:16:32 < jadew> yeah, looks like they fixed that in kicad, in the past it wouldn't have connected the two networks 2017-11-23T14:17:00 < aandrew> don't bust his balls too much, he's a newb :-) 2017-11-23T14:17:07 < aandrew> lots of time to teach him good routing practices 2017-11-23T14:17:21 < tr0ubl3> I will solder another board and get back to you guys. Thanks for the help sofar 2017-11-23T14:17:30 < zyp> good luck 2017-11-23T14:17:40 < aandrew> tr0ubl3: don't solder anything but the debug header, the STM32 and the bypass capacitors 2017-11-23T14:18:02 < aandrew> well maybe D1 and R5 as well 2017-11-23T14:18:12 < zyp> unless you're reflowing it, in that case just do it all 2017-11-23T14:18:14 < aandrew> and R4 -- basically the bare minimum needed to test the STM32 2017-11-23T14:18:43 < aandrew> I still can't believe I didn't catch the missing junctions 2017-11-23T14:19:26 < jadew> aandrew, doesn't seem to be an issue in recent kicad versions tho 2017-11-23T14:19:34 < zyp> not too hard to miss, there's more glaring issues in that schematic :) 2017-11-23T14:19:38 < jadew> I got burned by it, so I always add junctions now anyway 2017-11-23T14:20:33 < zyp> jadew, is junctions something you have to manually add? 2017-11-23T14:20:42 < jadew> zyp, in some cases, yeah 2017-11-23T14:20:47 < zyp> ew 2017-11-23T14:20:57 < dongs> < tr0ubl3> Stlink is fine. Would you like an image or the kicad pro 2017-11-23T14:20:59 < dongs> lol 2017-11-23T14:21:10 < dongs> why would anyone in this channel want the kikecad pro 2017-11-23T14:22:22 < aandrew> dongs: don't be mean. we all know you use kicad internally 2017-11-23T14:22:46 < jadew> internalized kicadery 2017-11-23T14:23:44 < Laurenceb> only the patriarchy could be responsible for such an outrage 2017-11-23T14:26:36 < kakimir> what is best shell for android? 2017-11-23T14:26:39 < Laurenceb> I'm so triggered right now 2017-11-23T14:26:52 < Laurenceb> *triggered* http://www.csgshop.com/product.php?id_product=223 2017-11-23T14:27:18 < Laurenceb> >Baby monitoring system 2017-11-23T14:27:21 < Laurenceb> out of a jerb too 2017-11-23T14:28:22 < sync> rip 2017-11-23T14:28:47 < kakimir> lora sensitivity is mad 2017-11-23T14:28:56 < kakimir> -136dbm 2017-11-23T14:29:12 < kakimir> -139dbm * 2017-11-23T14:29:33 < Laurenceb> you can get the same with 2fsk 2017-11-23T14:31:07 < kakimir> is that -139dbm the best at the moment^? 2017-11-23T14:31:17 < Laurenceb> its all a lie 2017-11-23T14:31:22 < kakimir> it is we know 2017-11-23T14:31:30 < kakimir> but we are talking about lie numbers 2017-11-23T14:31:33 < Laurenceb> I get about -132dBm with silabs 2fsk 2017-11-23T14:31:33 < kakimir> not real numbers 2017-11-23T14:31:42 < Laurenceb> in real world at 2--bps 2017-11-23T14:31:47 < Laurenceb> *200 2017-11-23T14:33:08 < Laurenceb> interesting device http://www.csgshop.com/product.php?id_product=86 2017-11-23T14:43:42 < tr0ubl3> Well the company I am interning at havent done any electrical stuff before and dont have any decent software so I have to use this 2017-11-23T14:44:06 < tr0ubl3> aandrew: I need to solder u2 to power the stm2 2017-11-23T14:44:34 < zyp> you could just solder wires across one of the caps and feed in 3.3V from an external supply 2017-11-23T14:45:05 < tr0ubl3> Yeah I will do that. Cant do anymore work today as I have to visit the new work site. Going to be really interesting as it is basically an empty building 2017-11-23T14:55:07 < Laurenceb> http://img.izismile.com/img/img10/20171122/1000/daily_gifdump_1482_01.gif 2017-11-23T14:58:49 < aandrew> tr0ubl3: I'd just use a wire to put 3.3V/gnd on the board and test 2017-11-23T15:21:22 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T15:22:46 < englishman> americans irl https://i.imgur.com/xzk7Zne.jpg 2017-11-23T15:31:22 < kakimir> Laurenceb: that is a mountain lion isn't it? 2017-11-23T15:31:33 < Laurenceb> *birdemic* 2017-11-23T15:32:46 < englishman> Laurenceb https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2009153788/start-up-costs-for-space-freighter-and-lunar-runwa 2017-11-23T15:36:18 < Laurenceb> https://www.svsd410.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=3605&dataid=7690&FileName=British%20patent%20PHOTON%20PUSH-PULL%20RADIATION%20DETECTOR.pdf 2017-11-23T15:36:34 < Laurenceb> still saner than that kickstarter 2017-11-23T15:37:41 < Laurenceb> admit to a house a cat which has GINGER fur, but exclude a cat with BLACK fur. 2017-11-23T15:37:45 < Laurenceb> das wacist 2017-11-23T15:38:43 < Laurenceb> 1,000 Megaton Complete Nuclear Disinte-gration or "CND" Bomb - Automatic Reprisal Satellite Bomb 2017-11-23T15:38:50 < Laurenceb> this is some supreme trolling 2017-11-23T15:39:17 < Laurenceb> http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/cb59bbc2bd534302b88e93c15d7885a9/cnd-anti-nuclear-march-in-london-1983-anet07.jpg 2017-11-23T15:39:21 < jadew> or he could be nutjob 2017-11-23T15:39:38 < jadew> what's that sign? 2017-11-23T15:41:52 < Laurenceb> the CND logo 2017-11-23T15:42:02 < jadew> I don't know what that is 2017-11-23T15:42:06 < Laurenceb> Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament 2017-11-23T15:42:13 < jadew> ah 2017-11-23T15:42:24 < Laurenceb> or in this cas Cat controlled Nuclear Dis-integrator 2017-11-23T15:43:15 < Laurenceb> wew page 7 2017-11-23T15:43:34 < Laurenceb> page 8 wtf 2017-11-23T15:43:43 < Laurenceb> autism 2017-11-23T15:52:08 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T16:08:13 < kakimir> autism amplifier 2017-11-23T16:28:13 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T16:28:21 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T16:28:32 < DelvingDeeper> Anyone ever seen this error: warning: Remote failure reply: E31? 2017-11-23T16:29:33 < kakimir> it would be useful to know the context 2017-11-23T16:30:21 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: sorry, it seems to run fine with the following code: https://pastebin.com/a2jizPRN 2017-11-23T16:30:50 < DelvingDeeper> but as soon as I uncomment the f_mount or add any function that interacts with a memory card it pops out that error and goes into a hard fault 2017-11-23T16:33:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.imgoat.com/uploads/72b030ba12/59687.jpg 2017-11-23T16:35:55 < kakimir> DelvingDeeper: don't you need to initialize those pointers in f_mount or something? 2017-11-23T16:36:08 < kakimir> *used in 2017-11-23T16:37:08 < Laurenceb> yeah that looks like a config error 2017-11-23T16:37:16 < Laurenceb> I've never seen errors that useful before :P 2017-11-23T16:37:40 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: sorry crappy code snippet , here's the whole main file(https://pastebin.com/rv5jSJxr). They are initialized, even calling lower level functions like disk_initialize(0); causes this error. 2017-11-23T16:38:00 < Laurenceb> I have fatfs examples on my github 2017-11-23T16:38:48 < DelvingDeeper> Laurenceb: Could I please have a look? Running throught he stm forums it seems that the LL libraries for stmf7 are written very poorly 2017-11-23T16:39:14 < DelvingDeeper> Here's an example of one of the errors: https://community.st.com/thread/44738-sd-and-fatfs-on-stm32f7xx-issue-with-card-init-how-to-change-the-source-files-for-cubemx 2017-11-23T16:39:55 < Laurenceb> eww cubemx 2017-11-23T16:40:42 < Laurenceb> MX_FATFS_Init(); 2017-11-23T16:40:49 < Laurenceb> check what that actually does 2017-11-23T16:41:01 < jadew> $2 for 10x10cm, dual layer PCB 2017-11-23T16:41:14 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/main.c 2017-11-23T16:41:15 < jadew> 10 pcs 2017-11-23T16:41:16 < DelvingDeeper> Laurenceb: Defs not the best approach, but I don't think I have the knowledge to type up the SDcard code by myself 2017-11-23T16:41:24 < emeryth> jadew: where? 2017-11-23T16:41:33 < jadew> ah, forgot the link hehe 2017-11-23T16:41:38 < jadew> https://jlcpcb.com/ 2017-11-23T16:41:55 < Laurenceb> DelvingDeeper check lines 178+ 2017-11-23T16:42:04 < Laurenceb> make sure ur code does the same stuff 2017-11-23T16:42:10 < jadew> 15 pcs is $30 :P 2017-11-23T16:42:14 < jadew> but 10, is $2 2017-11-23T16:42:57 < jadew> I'll try them next 2017-11-23T16:43:26 < jadew> with lead free surface finish it's $8 2017-11-23T16:44:01 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-23T16:44:08 < jadew> apparently they're related to easy eda 2017-11-23T16:44:11 < emeryth> what about shipping 2017-11-23T16:44:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T16:44:29 < jadew> don't know, I didn't register 2017-11-23T16:45:17 < Laurenceb> Did you know that the CIA funds marketing for extra loud subwoofers in automobiles because the sound frequency causes moderate to severe testicle shrinkage, which in the long run reduces total welfare rolls. 2017-11-23T16:45:36 < jadew> haha 2017-11-23T16:49:23 < DelvingDeeper> Laurenceb: The MX_FATFS_Init() seems to only link the driver,as far as I know this is all it should do, it sets the path for the SDcard using the following:https://pastebin.com/7aYtDWW8 which also seems fine. About to start running through your git code(178+). 2017-11-23T17:04:26 < kakimir> how to stop android app from starting itself? 2017-11-23T17:06:15 < kakimir> I try to copy data 2017-11-23T17:06:34 < kakimir> app starts itself and there is some lock etc. 2017-11-23T17:06:42 < kakimir> messes up my copy 2017-11-23T17:06:44 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: what app is this? 2017-11-23T17:06:48 < kakimir> watsapp 2017-11-23T17:07:00 < DelvingDeeper> maybe try a fresh install? 2017-11-23T17:07:13 < kakimir> copying it's directory to SD card for moving to new phone 2017-11-23T17:07:22 < kakimir> no 2017-11-23T17:07:28 < kakimir> removing it would do but 2017-11-23T17:07:47 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: Just backup all the data and then when you install it on your new phone everything will be recovered 2017-11-23T17:09:14 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: not locally on a SD but in-app 2017-11-23T17:25:25 < kakimir> there is only cloud backup 2017-11-23T17:25:30 < kakimir> no thanks 2017-11-23T17:27:53 < englishman> anyone know what the "height modification code" for a mpci connector does 2017-11-23T17:27:56 < englishman> arent they all the same height 2017-11-23T17:28:10 < englishman> https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/JAE%20PDFs/CardConn_SIM_CF_DIMM_PCIe_PG_V2.2.pdf 2017-11-23T17:32:32 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T17:34:19 < sync> you can probably get custom shit 2017-11-23T17:34:48 < englishman> digikey has 4 different ones in stock tho 2017-11-23T17:35:02 < englishman> of JAE MM60 52 pin 2017-11-23T17:41:13 < karlp> englishman: gotta be the "2.125, 4.0, 5.9mm" mounted height right? 2017-11-23T17:41:59 < karlp> some people have double sided or whatnot PCIE cards and need more clearnace on the socket edge 2017-11-23T17:42:12 < karlp> some people want Ult4at41nnes or something 2017-11-23T17:42:37 < englishman> hmm right 2017-11-23T17:42:57 < englishman> this design is flat on mounting side so i could get lowest 2017-11-23T17:43:11 < englishman> card only recommends "mm60 series" without any other info 2017-11-23T17:46:40 < kakimir> power saving is the key I think DelvingDeeper 2017-11-23T17:49:12 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: Power saving? 2017-11-23T17:49:58 < englishman> hmm no mcpi has height restrictions there, and all connectors datasheets show same height restriction 2017-11-23T17:50:19 < kakimir> thing that stops apps from starting 2017-11-23T17:51:15 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: ah ok 2017-11-23T17:51:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-23T17:52:44 < englishman> thank fuck for digikey training modules 2017-11-23T17:54:25 < englishman> ah k its to clear components on pcb 2017-11-23T17:54:27 < englishman> rite 2017-11-23T17:54:48 < englishman> durr 2017-11-23T17:55:49 < karlp> what did you think I was talking about? 2017-11-23T17:56:02 < karlp> I feel liek missed something now? 2017-11-23T17:59:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T18:01:22 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-23T18:01:36 < englishman> yeah no its just me 2017-11-23T18:02:11 < englishman> oh 2017-11-23T18:02:12 < englishman> karl 2017-11-23T18:02:17 < englishman> yeah im talking about MPCI 2017-11-23T18:02:28 < englishman> buit anyway i derped 2017-11-23T18:04:45 < tr0ubl3> I should have put a power pin on my design 2017-11-23T18:11:47 < jadew> my TL 866 just arrived 2017-11-23T18:12:34 < jadew> looks nice 2017-11-23T18:14:25 < jadew> the adapters are a bit dirty 2017-11-23T18:14:28 < karlp> what on earth are you programming? 2017-11-23T18:14:46 < jadew> nothing in particular 2017-11-23T18:15:06 < jadew> I just seem to need one from time to time 2017-11-23T18:15:17 < jadew> taking a look inside an eeprom, backing one up, things like that 2017-11-23T18:18:38 < upgrdman> :) https://i.redd.it/mm51exp26qzz.jpg 2017-11-23T18:18:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T18:19:06 < sync> karlp: if you do old car shit you need them a lot 2017-11-23T18:19:08 < sync> haha upgrdman 2017-11-23T18:25:14 < Ultrasauce> hey emeb_mac is the e352 one of your designs? 2017-11-23T18:25:44 < emeb_mac> Ultrasauce: Yeah - I did the digital & firmware parts 2017-11-23T18:25:58 < Ultrasauce> that thing is freakin' neat. which mcu is it? 2017-11-23T18:26:34 < emeb_mac> STM32F722 2017-11-23T18:26:52 < Ultrasauce> yeah that's what i figured, neat 2017-11-23T18:26:56 < emeb_mac> underclocked 2017-11-23T18:34:42 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-23T18:36:26 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T18:44:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-23T18:52:28 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T18:53:59 < kakimir> second metro in finland has been opened 2017-11-23T18:55:07 < kakimir> it took like 20years 2017-11-23T18:58:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRoVBNy-Hq4 2017-11-23T19:02:46 < kakimir> they have planned it for +50years 2017-11-23T19:03:55 < jadew> and it only has one station? 2017-11-23T19:04:09 < kakimir> probs 2 2017-11-23T19:04:18 < kakimir> but it's orange 2017-11-23T19:06:33 < jadew> looks nicer than what we have 2017-11-23T19:07:24 < kakimir> no doubt 2017-11-23T19:07:38 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Lj1TQarZY 2017-11-23T19:08:15 < kakimir> http://www.rantapallo.fi/destinationunknown/files/2011/01/Lost-in-Helsinki.jpg 2017-11-23T19:08:48 < kakimir> jadew: it's how I imagined it 2017-11-23T19:09:02 < kakimir> only lacks steam locomotive 2017-11-23T19:09:13 < jadew> haha 2017-11-23T19:09:26 < kakimir> does it run on time? 2017-11-23T19:09:59 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-23T19:10:48 < kakimir> but in east european countries I assume unfinished concrete surfaces and such 2017-11-23T19:12:05 < kakimir> it's like regional design choise to have a lot of raw concrete 2017-11-23T19:13:21 < qyx> we have one too http://www.authenticslovakia.com/spooky-abandoned-metro-station-in-petrzalka/ 2017-11-23T19:15:16 < Steffanx> In Belgium they are an expert in building things to never use them too 2017-11-23T19:15:48 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T19:16:21 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-23T19:16:22 < kakimir> you have subway nobody uses? 2017-11-23T19:16:31 < kakimir> because everyone are rich 2017-11-23T19:16:42 < Steffanx> Not in dutchland, but Belgium does have them 2017-11-23T19:17:02 < kakimir> ticket price: 20eur per ride 2017-11-23T19:17:06 < Steffanx> We do have unused trainstations. 2017-11-23T19:17:22 < kakimir> finland have more 2017-11-23T19:17:36 < Steffanx> Built because they expected a city to expand faster, but then the expansion stopped. 2017-11-23T19:17:38 < kakimir> every year they close like 10 small stations or so 2017-11-23T19:17:46 < kakimir> there is probs hundreds 2017-11-23T19:17:48 < kakimir> total 2017-11-23T19:17:55 < sync> kakimir: lel 2017-11-23T19:18:03 < sync> better than the tampere tram disaster 2017-11-23T19:18:12 < sync> with people arguing that the tram would be dangerous to the deaf 2017-11-23T19:18:15 < sync> because it is too silent 2017-11-23T19:18:23 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-23T19:18:31 < sync> 10/10 trolling there 2017-11-23T19:19:02 < Steffanx> Wasnt someone here from tampere? 2017-11-23T19:19:09 < kakimir> there is also stuff like trafic safety and whatnot 2017-11-23T19:19:11 < Steffanx> must be mr j p a. 2017-11-23T19:19:16 < kakimir> everything is an issue 2017-11-23T19:19:44 < kakimir> I used to live in esbo and that subway is really nice thing to have 2017-11-23T19:19:57 < kakimir> it took like an hour to get to helsinki 30km away 2017-11-23T19:20:07 < kakimir> in crammed bus 2017-11-23T19:20:26 < Steffanx> Metros are over rated, we just used trains and busses mainly ( in this region of the country ) 2017-11-23T19:20:36 < kakimir> and night bus at friday night was so packed 2017-11-23T19:20:42 < Steffanx> and the bicycle ofcourse 2017-11-23T19:20:56 < kakimir> of drunk students 2017-11-23T19:23:27 < Steffanx> For sure yes. 2017-11-23T19:25:02 < Steffanx> oh, i didnt know. We do have 3 Ghost metro stations 2017-11-23T19:25:07 < Steffanx> / tunnels 2017-11-23T19:38:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-23T20:16:16 < kakimir> what is your fav 2x2mm transistor package? 2017-11-23T20:28:43 < Thorn> sot-23 2017-11-23T20:29:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-23T20:30:59 < kakimir> it's not 2x2mm 2017-11-23T20:37:28 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T20:46:56 < kakimir> can you set such thing for rtos task there is time window set for it when it needs to perform it's stuff 2017-11-23T20:47:15 < kakimir> or at least begin 2017-11-23T20:47:37 < kakimir> I mean if some sensor data is needed for some process 2017-11-23T20:47:56 < kakimir> "hey check that data during next 10ms" 2017-11-23T20:59:28 < Cracki> that's a "software timer" 2017-11-23T20:59:48 < Cracki> or a task with higher priority 2017-11-23T21:00:13 < Cracki> or look into scheduling with deadlines 2017-11-23T21:01:15 < kakimir> I need to get into RTOS now 2017-11-23T21:01:40 < Cracki> freertos perhaps 2017-11-23T21:01:41 < kakimir> my project is deadstill I have started to write my own management systems 2017-11-23T21:01:46 < Cracki> don't 2017-11-23T21:01:52 < kakimir> chibios they said 2017-11-23T21:01:56 < Cracki> or that 2017-11-23T21:02:04 < Cracki> depends on what facilities you need 2017-11-23T21:02:16 < Cracki> freertos doesn't care about networking 2017-11-23T21:02:28 < Cracki> that's an addon module afaik 2017-11-23T21:02:44 < Cracki> http://www.freertos.org/embeddedtcp.html 2017-11-23T21:06:28 < kakimir> they say chibios is the bestest 2017-11-23T21:06:45 < Cracki> can't compare 2017-11-23T21:06:50 < Cracki> never used it 2017-11-23T21:08:00 < qyx> too much static configuration in chibios 2017-11-23T21:08:06 < qyx> at least in the old versions I used to use 2017-11-23T21:08:12 < qyx> now freertos ftw 2017-11-23T21:08:55 < kakimir> how many days it took to get it going? 2017-11-23T21:09:02 < Cracki> huh? static config? how so? 2017-11-23T21:09:32 < qyx> Cracki: many peripherals couldn't be reconfigured during runtime 2017-11-23T21:09:35 < qyx> also board files 2017-11-23T21:09:40 < Cracki> freertos on avr is trivial. unpack, fight the compiler+linker, write a main() and some tasks 2017-11-23T21:10:12 < Cracki> qyx, ic. how does that look in freertos? haven't had to reconfigure anything through freertos yet, only my own custom code 2017-11-23T21:10:42 < qyx> you just compile an empty main with a copy-pasted freertos config and it works 2017-11-23T21:10:54 < qyx> not empty, you have to start the scheduler at least 2017-11-23T21:11:17 < Cracki> yes yes 2017-11-23T21:11:37 < qyx> if it was possible to use the chibios schedular without the hal, I would have done it 2017-11-23T21:11:43 < qyx> but iirc it was not possible at that time 2017-11-23T21:11:44 < kakimir> I wonder how things work in NXP LPC realm 2017-11-23T21:11:45 < Cracki> wanting to understand your choice of freertos, you mentioned runtime reconfiguration 2017-11-23T21:12:10 < qyx> I just wanted a basic scheduler for a custum hal 2017-11-23T21:12:20 < qyx> freertos does exactly this 2017-11-23T21:12:29 < qyx> maybe chibios too now, idk 2017-11-23T21:12:53 < Cracki> that's how I saw it too 2017-11-23T21:13:03 < fenugrec> chibios can be used without its HAL, no ? 2017-11-23T21:13:20 < DelvingDeeper> losing my mind with warning: Remote failure reply: E31 2017-11-23T21:13:23 < qyx> maybe yes, last version I used was some ancient 2.4.x 2017-11-23T21:13:39 < kakimir> DelvingDeeper: check your tool manual 2017-11-23T21:14:59 < kakimir> what you can reconfigure runtime? 2017-11-23T21:15:12 < kakimir> all rtos parameters? 2017-11-23T21:15:15 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: tool manual? 2017-11-23T21:15:22 < qyx> no, the hal 2017-11-23T21:15:35 < kakimir> DelvingDeeper: some tool is giving you that code 2017-11-23T21:15:37 < qyx> I am referring to a decision made ~2y ago 2017-11-23T21:16:06 < kakimir> qyx: why you need to reconfigure hal at runtime? 2017-11-23T21:16:41 < qyx> because I needed device discovery and such things 2017-11-23T21:16:45 < DelvingDeeper> kakimir: you mean the toolchain? 2017-11-23T21:16:46 < Cracki> ah, I think the chibios license is putting some people off 2017-11-23T21:17:01 < kakimir> DelvingDeeper: whatever outputs the message 2017-11-23T21:17:06 < kakimir> generates it 2017-11-23T21:17:45 < kakimir> device discovery? 2017-11-23T21:18:02 < kakimir> runtime? 2017-11-23T21:18:10 < kakimir> why 2017-11-23T21:21:26 < DelvingDeeper> ah that would be atollic, I've scoured the forums and there seems to be multiple issues. It worked last night, just started this mornin 2017-11-23T21:23:25 < kakimir> what has changed? 2017-11-23T21:23:56 < DelvingDeeper> literally nothing >.< 2017-11-23T21:24:07 < DelvingDeeper> It just started popping the error out 2017-11-23T21:24:47 < DelvingDeeper> could possibly have updated during the night or something 2017-11-23T21:30:40 < Laurenceb> kickstarter space guy has been busy 2017-11-23T21:30:42 < Laurenceb> http://media.englishrussia.com/newpictures/Fishing_in_the_North//104321/17047/33600cb0716a.jpg 2017-11-23T21:30:54 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T21:51:28 < englishman> buran is success yes, great communist achievement 2017-11-23T21:58:31 < c10ud> btw zyp I ended up using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigues%27_rotation_formula 2017-11-23T21:58:48 < c10ud> it seems to work, now onto filtering the resulting data.. :) 2017-11-23T21:59:43 < c10ud> on a related note tensorflow lite is...scary 2017-11-23T21:59:50 < c10ud> s/related/unrelated 2017-11-23T22:00:19 < Thorn> they're actually using proper notation for lie algebras (lowercase) 2017-11-23T22:00:24 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T22:18:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-07e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T22:20:04 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-23T22:20:25 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T22:22:48 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T22:37:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-23T22:43:53 < kakimir> freertos supports LPC 2017-11-23T22:44:00 < kakimir> so not hard to choose 2017-11-23T22:50:04 < Steffanx> I bet any widely used RTOS does lpc. 2017-11-23T22:50:50 < kakimir> chibios had only one port in it's source 2017-11-23T22:50:56 < kakimir> some lpc21 2017-11-23T22:53:25 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T22:54:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-23T22:55:12 < karlp> sync: don't laugh, that's the same garbage we get with adding noise makers to EVs 2017-11-23T22:55:24 < kakimir> I have already freertos demo in my project tree 2017-11-23T22:55:25 < stvn> i want some 2017-11-23T23:01:40 < kakimir> now I just need to learn to use mutexes semaphores and shiet 2017-11-23T23:04:31 < Steffanx> Welcome stvn 2017-11-23T23:04:45 < stvn> hi sir 2017-11-23T23:05:51 < Rob235> jesus, 0-60mph in 1.9 seconds 2017-11-23T23:06:17 < kakimir> jesus fast 2017-11-23T23:09:54 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-23T23:10:05 < kakimir> hey if I update some variable in one task 2017-11-23T23:10:38 < kakimir> and want to run update process for it that changes that value actually into action 2017-11-23T23:10:48 < kakimir> but I don't really care when it happens 2017-11-23T23:11:25 < kakimir> so I create maybe a task for it 2017-11-23T23:11:29 < kakimir> ? 2017-11-23T23:12:08 < kakimir> can I say to scheduler like "ya execute this task whenever you want - once" 2017-11-23T23:13:00 < Cracki> that's an event 2017-11-23T23:13:14 < kakimir> event okay 2017-11-23T23:13:18 < Cracki> rtoses also have queues 2017-11-23T23:13:21 < stvn> prappit 2017-11-23T23:13:27 < kakimir> and events launch tasks correspondingly? 2017-11-23T23:13:36 < Cracki> just look at all the concurrency primitives 2017-11-23T23:14:46 < Cracki> different rtoses provide different primitives and operations, and they might name them differently 2017-11-23T23:15:07 < kakimir> how does rtos exactly split tasks? 2017-11-23T23:15:11 < kakimir> timer interupt? 2017-11-23T23:15:11 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-23T23:15:18 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T23:16:24 < karlp> kakimir: depends on the rtos, and it's config for some of them 2017-11-23T23:16:33 < karlp> go read freertos's website, it's got lots of info 2017-11-23T23:17:51 < kakimir> yes I'm at phase of getting grips of EVERYTHING 2017-11-23T23:19:08 < kakimir> and I only need little 2017-11-23T23:20:03 < kakimir> so idle hook is that task is being run as idle process? 2017-11-23T23:20:42 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: i dindu nuffen] 2017-11-23T23:21:23 < kakimir> my LPCxpresso ships with 2011 freertos 2017-11-23T23:21:42 < kakimir> I think I could simply switch it's guts 2017-11-23T23:22:00 < kakimir> and keep everything that has config in it 2017-11-23T23:26:41 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-23T23:34:10 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-23T23:58:18 < kakimir> what does v or prv stand for in freertos functions? 2017-11-23T23:59:46 < kakimir> or x --- Day changed Fri Nov 24 2017 2017-11-24T00:00:53 < karlp> hungarian notation 2017-11-24T00:01:03 < karlp> void, pointer, char and stuff 2017-11-24T00:01:11 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/TaaNVqn.png 2017-11-24T00:01:14 < englishman> firefox in 2017 2017-11-24T00:01:15 < karlp> it's... not very popular these days with better IDEs, 2017-11-24T00:01:28 < karlp> englishman: heh, I get that from chromium, but firefox works :) 2017-11-24T00:01:33 < kakimir> http://www.freertos.org/FreeRTOS-Coding-Standard-and-Style-Guide.html 2017-11-24T00:01:33 < englishman> lol 2017-11-24T00:01:44 < englishman> >chromium 2017-11-24T00:01:46 < englishman> problem found 2017-11-24T00:01:58 < karlp> worse is when you're watching something on one of them, and you discover that it doesn't support seeking. 2017-11-24T00:02:12 < karlp> try and skip ahead, and all of a sudden it starts back form the beginnin 2017-11-24T00:02:22 < englishman> truly ready for the desktop 2017-11-24T00:02:40 < kakimir> is freertos hungarian? 2017-11-24T00:02:59 < karlp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation 2017-11-24T00:04:11 < kakimir> what is oh 2017-11-24T00:04:19 < kakimir> interesting trivia 2017-11-24T00:07:16 < kakimir> hah wow 2017-11-24T00:07:29 < kakimir> you can trace rtos tasks with analog output 2017-11-24T00:07:50 < kakimir> each task having it's own level 2017-11-24T00:09:46 < englishman> hungarian notation looks worse than polish notation 2017-11-24T00:13:53 < kakimir> can higher tick variables be used in newer freertos? 2017-11-24T00:13:57 < kakimir> like 32bit? 2017-11-24T00:15:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-07e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-24T00:28:28 < kakimir> hello R2COM 2017-11-24T00:28:32 < kakimir> long time 2017-11-24T00:29:01 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-24T00:29:44 < kakimir> adb.exe is almost mandatory with dealing with android phones 2017-11-24T00:29:52 < kakimir> makes it much easier 2017-11-24T00:30:23 < kakimir> file transfer to sd card blah 2017-11-24T00:30:45 < kakimir> almost stalled after 5hours 300MB to go 2017-11-24T00:30:47 < Thorn> >Section 5 of this report gives more information about selecting decoupling capacitors; a poor selection is guaranteed to drain the battery in a short period of time. Tantalums leak far too much to use as decoupling capacitors. Most MLCCs won't work, either. 2017-11-24T00:30:51 < Thorn> >Most MLCCs won't work, either. 2017-11-24T00:30:54 < Thorn> rly? 2017-11-24T00:31:03 < kakimir> adb.exe pull is 1minute in and 40% copied 2017-11-24T00:33:06 < karlp> still faster than MTP? 2017-11-24T00:33:25 < karlp> yeah, I've often fallen back to adb for shit 2017-11-24T00:33:50 < kakimir> totally fastest possible thing 2017-11-24T00:33:52 < karlp> kakimir: re ticks, current freertos can even be in deadline mode "tickless" for lower power 2017-11-24T00:34:02 < kakimir> maybe some wireless transfer might be faster 2017-11-24T00:34:21 < kakimir> how does it work? 2017-11-24T00:34:33 < kakimir> but wireless transfer needs a bullshit app 2017-11-24T00:35:37 < kakimir> backup done 2017-11-24T00:35:58 < kakimir> 386seconds for 1.5GB 2017-11-24T01:04:57 < sync> true kakimir 2017-11-24T01:05:01 < sync> eh karlp 2017-11-24T01:07:21 -!- absynth [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T01:08:38 < aandrew> Thorn: which report is this? 2017-11-24T01:10:24 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-24T01:10:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T01:13:28 < Thorn> http://www.ganssle.com/reports/ultra-low-power-design.html 2017-11-24T01:15:36 < aandrew> hm, is ITM output *only* avaiable on MCUs that expose the SWO pin? i.e. not possible to read data from ITM reg/buffer with standard 2-wire SWD? 2017-11-24T01:16:46 < karlp> yep 2017-11-24T01:16:59 < aandrew> balls 2017-11-24T01:17:10 < karlp> m0 has a MTB thing instead, which you _do_ read out via swd pins 2017-11-24T01:17:12 < aandrew> also, I fucking hate professional documentation that uses the word "learnt" 2017-11-24T01:17:23 < aandrew> MTB? I did not know about this periph 2017-11-24T01:17:26 < karlp> (because it doesn't have swo at all, even though it has ITM) 2017-11-24T01:17:28 < aandrew> I know ETM and ITM 2017-11-24T01:17:32 < karlp> microtracebuffer thing 2017-11-24T01:17:34 < karlp> m0 crap 2017-11-24T01:17:36 < aandrew> interesting 2017-11-24T01:17:37 < karlp> just say no 2017-11-24T01:17:40 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-24T01:18:04 < karlp> looks like M23 gets MTB optioanlly too 2017-11-24T01:18:28 < karlp> here, adafruit even has it https://learn.adafruit.com/debugging-the-samd21-with-gdb/micro-trace-buffer 2017-11-24T01:18:41 < karlp> because for some reason they went all in on samd shits with the rest of arduino 2017-11-24T01:19:11 < aandrew> hm 2017-11-24T01:19:14 < aandrew> interesting 2017-11-24T01:19:14 < karlp> it's basically hardwar ehelp for using some reserved ram 2017-11-24T01:19:21 < aandrew> I picked up a SAMD51 contract 2017-11-24T01:19:34 < aandrew> it's tiny ($) but looks like a good gateway contract to bigger stuff 2017-11-24T01:19:34 < karlp> kinda like RTT from segger, only without the code, just ram reservation 2017-11-24T01:21:19 < Laurenceb_> ree I'm b& from 4chan 2017-11-24T01:22:57 < aandrew> aha 2017-11-24T01:23:02 < aandrew> b&? 2017-11-24T01:25:25 < Laurenceb_> yeah, for posting cat+ln2 webm's 2017-11-24T01:25:44 < englishman> funny aandrew 2017-11-24T01:25:50 < englishman> i picked up a stm32f2 project 2017-11-24T01:25:58 < englishman> which is tiny $ but can lead to bigger things 2017-11-24T01:26:06 < englishman> difference is i'll still have a full head of hair when i'm done 2017-11-24T01:26:21 < aandrew> englishman: no worries there, I've already lost my hair 2017-11-24T01:26:28 < aandrew> now it just grows out of my fucking ears and nose 2017-11-24T01:26:33 < aandrew> seriously wtf evoution 2017-11-24T01:26:36 < aandrew> evolution 2017-11-24T01:26:38 < englishman> see? samx has already ruined your head 2017-11-24T01:26:47 < aandrew> no, 2 wives did that 2017-11-24T01:26:54 < Laurenceb_> cucktales 2017-11-24T01:27:13 < aandrew> one of my favourite jokes: what's bigamy? one wife too many. What's monogamy? same idea. 2017-11-24T01:27:21 < englishman> was your first wife named msp430 2017-11-24T01:27:24 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-24T01:28:06 < aandrew> karlp: why hate on mtb? looks pretty useful 2017-11-24T01:28:08 < aandrew> what am I missing? 2017-11-24T01:32:23 < Laurenceb_> http://www.itv.com/news/london/2017-11-23/former-east-17-singer-brian-harvey-arrested-on-suspicion-of-sending-malicious-tweets/ 2017-11-24T01:32:30 < Laurenceb_> >suspicion-of-sending-malicious-tweets 2017-11-24T01:32:35 < Laurenceb_> I'm in jail dude 2017-11-24T01:33:17 < aandrew> ... malicious tweets? 2017-11-24T01:33:26 < aandrew> what's that like jscript injection for the twitter client? 2017-11-24T01:34:08 < Laurenceb_> >US justice 2017-11-24T01:34:30 < Laurenceb_> >get shot dead for shoplifting some shit worth $0.1 2017-11-24T01:34:36 < Laurenceb_> >UK Justice 2017-11-24T01:34:55 < Laurenceb_> >get in prison for lief for "malicious tweets" 2017-11-24T01:35:58 < aandrew> >Canadian justice 2017-11-24T01:36:14 < aandrew> >get free double-double for tripping the purse snatcher as he exits tim horton's 2017-11-24T01:38:14 < aandrew> hm, I wonder if you can take advantage of HSS to do ITM like printing witout SWO 2017-11-24T01:38:23 < aandrew> is that how Keil RTT works? 2017-11-24T01:39:56 < aandrew> hm https://www.phaedsys.com/principals/segger/seggerjlinksw.html 2017-11-24T01:40:05 < aandrew> under "implementation" section 2017-11-24T01:43:44 < kakimir> what is yield() in freertos? 2017-11-24T01:43:59 < kakimir> what is idle should yield? 2017-11-24T01:45:07 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-24T01:46:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-24T01:46:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI 2017-11-24T02:00:58 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE7hJWqabkg 2017-11-24T02:01:05 < Laurenceb_> I'm legit scared 2017-11-24T02:01:14 < Laurenceb_> nsfl video 2017-11-24T02:01:57 < Laurenceb_> >Thank You for the mass murder you will inevitably commit 2017-11-24T02:09:36 < englishman> aandrew> >get free double-double for tripping the purse snatcher as he exits tim horton's 2017-11-24T02:09:41 < englishman> no good deed goes unpunished 2017-11-24T02:11:22 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: *laughters* 2017-11-24T02:11:31 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-24T02:11:32 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T02:12:33 < kakimir> are android app updates to rom apps full size images of newer versions? 2017-11-24T02:13:16 < kakimir> new updates keep comming anyway so updating to rom becomes not so nice 2017-11-24T02:13:49 < kakimir> I think there is some feature in titanium backup so updates of rom apps go to rom 2017-11-24T02:15:58 < kakimir> I wonder if I could easily resize /system 2017-11-24T02:16:29 < kakimir> nah 2017-11-24T02:23:50 < kakimir> okay there is a plenty of tools I can move to ram 2017-11-24T02:27:08 < kakimir> okay yield means idle task ends immiditelly when there is need to? 2017-11-24T02:27:20 < kakimir> and else it just uses it's timeslot 2017-11-24T02:27:22 < kakimir> ? 2017-11-24T02:29:53 < karlp> aandrew: what is HSS? 2017-11-24T02:30:13 < kakimir> high speed steel 2017-11-24T02:30:19 < karlp> no hate for mtb, it's better than nothing, I'd just rather have swo on an m3+ rather than mtb on a m0 2017-11-24T02:35:59 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-24T02:37:44 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-24T02:37:57 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T02:45:56 < Laurenceb_> RONALD BLUMPF 2017-11-24T02:47:20 < kakimir> how long does it take to move user app size under 200kB to rom? 2017-11-24T02:47:25 < kakimir> it's been 20minutes 2017-11-24T02:47:53 < kakimir> I think access limitations or something mess with titatium backup 2017-11-24T02:49:09 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-24T02:49:20 < kakimir> lineage bug 2017-11-24T03:12:11 < kakimir> or that I turned developer mode off by accident 2017-11-24T03:17:09 < kakimir> now there is some zombie app that titanium cant remove 2017-11-24T03:17:24 < kakimir> when I pulled the plug it left some 13kB residue 2017-11-24T03:20:55 < Laurenceb_> wut are u even talking about? 2017-11-24T03:34:05 < kakimir> yes laurence 2017-11-24T03:34:27 < kakimir> what are you talking about all the time? 2017-11-24T03:34:59 < kakimir> drive-by shitpostin 2017-11-24T03:40:51 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/933076058521214976/bXNxfX0x?format=jpg&name=orig 2017-11-24T03:40:59 < Laurenceb_> the child of kakimir and laurenceb 2017-11-24T03:53:16 < kakimir> that would be weird stuff 2017-11-24T04:03:32 < Laurenceb_> they can take my buttcoin from my cold dead hard drive 2017-11-24T04:04:35 < kakimir> yws 2017-11-24T04:08:12 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-24T04:08:20 < kakimir> how many btw Laurenceb_ ? 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2017-11-24T11:44:36 < dongs> (like the F2s with ethernet phy 2017-11-24T11:44:40 < dongs> phy->mac 2017-11-24T11:53:12 < zyp> probably not, but nothing stops you from reading and writing those register addresses 2017-11-24T11:53:19 < zyp> you'll just read all zeroes 2017-11-24T11:57:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T12:09:27 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-24T12:14:52 < tr0ubl3> Okay I am going to try soldering enough of the board to flash the stm32 2017-11-24T12:16:27 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T12:18:09 < Thorn> is it possible to erase the system bootloader in stm32? 2017-11-24T12:18:22 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-180-140-254.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-24T12:19:46 < karlp> not unless you can work out what they used to make it "rom" and undo it 2017-11-24T12:31:12 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T12:43:08 < dongs> its probably maskrom 2017-11-24T12:43:16 < dongs> cheap enough for ST to do that anyway 2017-11-24T12:43:25 < dongs> since tehy do smartcards and stuff 2017-11-24T12:44:01 < Thorn> too bad you can't upgrade it, e.g. f405/407 etc. have a very old version 2017-11-24T12:45:32 < dongs> right. 2017-11-24T12:54:09 < dongs> jesus fuck 2017-11-24T12:54:12 < dongs> chrome using up 11gigs of ram 2017-11-24T12:57:23 < Steffanx> 👊🏿 2017-11-24T13:04:28 < dongs> yeah no fucking idea 2017-11-24T13:04:32 < dongs> probably some garbage javashit site 2017-11-24T13:04:39 < dongs> written by a 'full stack web developer' 2017-11-24T13:04:44 < dongs> in ruby/python and node.fuck.js 2017-11-24T13:07:49 < Thorn> those are server "technologies", try react 2017-11-24T13:11:02 < dongs> sorry, i dont know/care. i fucking hate the internet 2017-11-24T13:34:06 < qyx> lol 2017-11-24T13:34:16 < qyx> zyp: yeah, that was the case, all zeroes 2017-11-24T13:37:34 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-24T13:37:54 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T13:54:41 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-24T13:55:04 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T13:57:04 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T13:58:24 < tr0ubl3> Ok when I just flash the components related to the stm32 it flashes fine. So do you think that I killed the stm32 on the last board when soldering it? 2017-11-24T13:58:48 < dongs> < zyp> you'll just read all zeroes 2017-11-24T13:58:54 < dongs> thats what I thought, so how did it take 2 hours 2017-11-24T13:59:26 < dongs> the moment it didnt work I'd popup CAN peripheral into peripheral register explorer window and notice that writes arent happening 2017-11-24T13:59:27 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-24T13:59:33 < zyp> depends what end you start debugging from 2017-11-24T13:59:51 < zyp> but yeah 2017-11-24T13:59:55 < tr0ubl3> Replace flash with solder in my first sentence oops 2017-11-24T14:00:06 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-24T14:00:14 < dongs> STM32 is pretty hard to kill 2017-11-24T14:00:16 < dongs> by soldering 2017-11-24T14:00:20 < dongs> you'd hae to try really hard. 2017-11-24T14:00:25 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T14:00:50 < zyp> dongs, so you know writes aren't happening, time to check RCC, enable bit is set (or maybe it's not implemented either, that'd make it more obvious) 2017-11-24T14:01:35 < zyp> if RCC enable is properly set, maybe double check register base address 2017-11-24T14:01:54 < tr0ubl3> Interesting I wonder why I couldnt flash it then 2017-11-24T14:02:26 < zyp> but you still have to make the leap from "wtf, can is not turning on" to "oh, can is not present in this chip" 2017-11-24T14:02:30 < dongs> tr0ubl3: what did stlink/jlink debug log say when you tried 2017-11-24T14:02:48 < tr0ubl3> Its just said that it couldnt connect and the voltages were fine 2017-11-24T14:03:14 < zyp> tr0ubl3, you soldered a new board now and it works? 2017-11-24T14:03:44 < tr0ubl3> zyp: I soldered just the components related to the stm32 and its fine, I will try soldering everything else and see if it still works 2017-11-24T14:03:52 < zyp> it should 2017-11-24T14:04:11 < zyp> and yeah, you've either killed the mcu on the previous board or shorted out the swd lines 2017-11-24T14:04:48 < zyp> I don't know how you've killed it either 2017-11-24T14:06:24 < qyx> yes, at first, suspect libopencm3 2017-11-24T14:06:30 < zyp> the only stm32s I've managed to kill have been by powering it wrong, which usually makes it fuse the power supply pins together so it keeps shorting the supply 2017-11-24T14:06:31 < qyx> returns error 2017-11-24T14:06:42 < qyx> meh, check the libopencm3 code 2017-11-24T14:06:52 < qyx> step through it, init ack not set 2017-11-24T14:07:00 < qyx> clock enabled in the RCC 2017-11-24T14:07:05 < qyx> check the base address, check register definitions 2017-11-24T14:07:10 < qyx> everything allright 2017-11-24T14:07:15 < dongs> haha, blame opensores first 2017-11-24T14:07:24 < tr0ubl3> Yeah I am not sure what it was then. 2017-11-24T14:07:46 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-24T14:07:55 < qyx> then look at the registers, allzero 2017-11-24T14:08:01 < qyx> look at the pcb, wtf, F050 2017-11-24T14:08:31 < qyx> I am curious why doesn't it hardfault or whatever 2017-11-24T14:13:23 < karlp> tiva parts do, but yeah, stm32s seem to just read as zero all unused peripheral address space. 2017-11-24T14:13:37 < karlp> faulting would probably make sw dev a bit easier for most use cases 2017-11-24T14:37:25 < aandrew> karlp: didn't see it in scrollback - why the hate on M0's MTB? 2017-11-24T14:38:00 < Laurenceb> I've killed an F4 by reversing vusb 2017-11-24T14:38:06 < Laurenceb> it literally blew in half 2017-11-24T14:38:32 < aandrew> karlp: HSS is jlink high speed sampling feature 2017-11-24T14:38:36 < aandrew> Laurenceb: impressive 2017-11-24T14:39:00 < Laurenceb> well the top plastic blew off from the leadframe and landed a few cm away 2017-11-24T14:39:11 < aandrew> Laurenceb: back in high school I found a shitload of those biiig blue electrolytic caps with screw terminals. decided to build the biggest, baddest linear power supply I could 2017-11-24T14:39:22 < aandrew> found a transformer that must've weighed 30lbs 2017-11-24T14:39:32 < aandrew> found a couple diode bridges that had big heatsinks on them 2017-11-24T14:39:50 < aandrew> designed a PCB in OrCAD, photo etched it 2017-11-24T14:39:59 < aandrew> I was the king shit in high school tech shop of course 2017-11-24T14:40:23 < aandrew> anyway... got it all wired up, moment of truth... all the other kids were surrounding my bench to see Exclaibur power up 2017-11-24T14:40:32 < aandrew> I reach across the bench to plug it in 2017-11-24T14:40:35 < aandrew> KA-FUCKING-BOOM 2017-11-24T14:41:05 < aandrew> one of the 78xx regulators was cracked in half like your F4 2017-11-24T14:41:20 < aandrew> one of the diode bridges was just gone - four legs sticking up out of the board only 2017-11-24T14:41:37 < aandrew> after the smoke cleared and I changed my underwear, the teacher sat us all down and taught a lesson on inrush current 2017-11-24T14:41:57 < aandrew> fucking asshole, he knew what was gonna happen the moment he saw me lug that transformer out of the scrap heap 2017-11-24T14:42:24 < aandrew> all those capacitors with a transformer that I'm sure had a surge current rating of at least 100A 2017-11-24T14:42:29 < aandrew> my thick copper traces and heavy wire 2017-11-24T14:42:35 < aandrew> fucking Mr. Jaunzemis. I will never forget him 2017-11-24T14:45:45 < karlp> aandrew: but what is it? just having a higher swdclk? what makes it get a special name? 2017-11-24T14:45:57 < zyp> qyx, I think it's a property of the buses 2017-11-24T14:46:29 < zyp> IIRC accessing invalid addrs on the AHB will signal a fault 2017-11-24T14:46:30 < karlp> aandrew: also, no hate on MTB, just would rather than swo and work on m3+ devices instead 2017-11-24T14:47:06 < zyp> but I'm not sure the APBs have any way of signalling an invalid addr, so invalid addrs in the APB spaces will return 0 instead 2017-11-24T14:47:49 < zyp> IIRC LM4F have GPIO blocks mapped both on APB and AHB 2017-11-24T14:48:01 < PaulFertser> aandrew: wonderful story, thank you. What was the planned output current for that thing, how many 78xx did you have in parallel? 2017-11-24T14:48:05 < zyp> the AHB addrs will fault if block accessed is not powered, the APB addrs won't 2017-11-24T14:49:04 < zyp> aandrew, haha 2017-11-24T14:50:00 < zyp> I also have some capacitor stories from high school 2017-11-24T14:50:27 < zyp> I remember we had a bunch of those in the same size as a D battery 2017-11-24T14:51:43 < zyp> so we soldered a few cm leads to the terminals, charged them and went throwing them to each other, trying not to short the leads while catching it 2017-11-24T14:54:36 < zyp> I think we got stopped by a teacher before anybody managed to hurt themselves 2017-11-24T14:55:31 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I seem to remember I had an external pass transistor board ready (few 2N3055s in parallel type of thing) to offload the heavy lifting of the 78xx but I don't think I'd even had it etched yet. this was just the inaugual power up :-) 2017-11-24T14:56:17 < aandrew> planned output current? I was a smart-ass 15 or 16yo. I hadn't done any real engineering on it, I just saw MASSIVE TRANSFORMER and ZOMG A DOZEN SUPER BIG CAPS and decided I was not building a weenie power supply like everyone else 2017-11-24T14:56:52 < aandrew> I am looking at the RTT implementation source... this actually looks way nicer than SWO 2017-11-24T14:57:16 < aandrew> a lot more flexible and usable on what looks to be all Cortex cores 2017-11-24T14:57:32 < zyp> RTT is a pair of ringbuffers, right? 2017-11-24T14:57:38 < aandrew> zyp: yeah 2017-11-24T14:57:43 < PaulFertser> btw, there's an out of tree patch for openocd that adds RTT with all jtag adapters, not just jlink. 2017-11-24T14:58:21 < aandrew> PaulFertser: very nice. I don't like being beholden to jlink, but I have to admit the hardware just works 2017-11-24T14:58:35 < aandrew> I have no end of trouble with stlink etc, especially when debugging 2017-11-24T14:58:50 < aandrew> jlink, whether though their own closed sw or with openocd, is very stable 2017-11-24T14:59:10 < aandrew> BMP is on my list of "to play with" at some point, just -ENOTIME 2017-11-24T14:59:44 < Steffanx> Better /quit :P 2017-11-24T14:59:58 < aandrew> so MTB is a hardware-assisted branch logger on M0/M0+ only 2017-11-24T15:02:10 < aandrew> ITM has a dedicated pin and emits software trace (what everyone redirects stdout to), hardware trace packets which I'm guessing would be similar to branch logging like MTB, and timestamps 2017-11-24T15:03:13 < aandrew> and then if you have the pins, TIPU is an actual instruction trace output 2017-11-24T15:03:15 < aandrew> is that about right? 2017-11-24T15:03:16 < karlp> there's ITM in m0 too, 2017-11-24T15:03:18 < zyp> which is better is a question of purpose 2017-11-24T15:03:26 < karlp> because that's the peripheral that does some of this stuff internally, 2017-11-24T15:03:42 < aandrew> karlp: hm 2017-11-24T15:03:42 < zyp> do you want transparent tracing or an intrusive facility? 2017-11-24T15:04:37 < aandrew> zyp: right, ITM doesn't take up SRAM for the buffers basically 2017-11-24T15:05:13 < karlp> I think you need a s/TPIU/ETM/ but yeah, 2017-11-24T15:05:31 < karlp> itm can do lots more than just getting printf redirected to it too. 2017-11-24T15:05:43 < aandrew> karlp: I thought MTB was just the branch trace from ITM basically. take ITM, strip out the packetizer and output pin, strip out sw trace and timestamps and you have MTB is what I thought 2017-11-24T15:06:03 * karlp shrugs 2017-11-24T15:06:17 < karlp> the block diagrams are complicated and have lots of back and forth interconnections 2017-11-24T15:06:29 < aandrew> karlp: right, ITM has packetizer and otuput pin, and can do sw trace (what everyone redirects to), but also branch logging and timestamping 2017-11-24T15:06:34 < karlp> dwt/itm/tpiu/etm/mtb/swo 2017-11-24T15:06:54 < karlp> yeah, some of the timestamping and branching stuff is from the dwt part of coresight, 2017-11-24T15:07:02 < karlp> but it's just names. 2017-11-24T15:07:06 < aandrew> looking at arm docs, it *sounds* like TIPU is an ehanced (parallel, faster) output module for ITM/ETM 2017-11-24T15:07:25 < karlp> yeah, but you can have tpiu formatting on or off too. 2017-11-24T15:07:44 < karlp> I think tpiu is only really interesting for socs with multiple cores or multiple coresight compat devices on it 2017-11-24T15:07:54 < karlp> so you can have them have their trace port id on it for tpiu to multiplex 2017-11-24T15:08:03 < aandrew> right 2017-11-24T15:08:04 < karlp> for single core cortex-m stuff, I don't thik tpiu does anythign useful 2017-11-24T15:08:16 < zyp> how about high res traces? 2017-11-24T15:08:27 < karlp> you use etm for that isn't it? 2017-11-24T15:08:41 < karlp> and iirc, that can _also_ have tpiu formatting or not. 2017-11-24T15:08:52 < zyp> haha, well 2017-11-24T15:08:58 < zyp> I have no idea what is what either :) 2017-11-24T15:09:26 < karlp> suffice to say, you can get a shitload of data out, and most of the tools don't do a great job of helping use it all. 2017-11-24T15:10:05 < zyp> I figure pro tools does, but they are $$$$ 2017-11-24T15:10:28 < PaulFertser> aandrew: in armv7-m there're various modules that can provide additional debugging information, ITM, DWT, ETM. All of them are connected to TPIU and then you configure TPIU to output that information somehow. E.g. via single SWO pin. 2017-11-24T15:10:50 < aandrew> right, I just found this diagram: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0439b/BIIFFGJD.html 2017-11-24T15:11:13 < PaulFertser> aandrew: if you're using just ITM, there's no need to enable TPIU formatter, but if you add ETM, you'll have to enable it. 2017-11-24T15:11:32 < karlp> aandrew: what section are you looking at? thats just a link to the entire TRM 2017-11-24T15:11:38 < aandrew> oh sorry 2017-11-24T15:11:41 < aandrew> god I hate sites like that 2017-11-24T15:11:43 < zyp> aandrew, I don't think you linked to the right page, grab frame url 2017-11-24T15:12:05 < aandrew> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0440c/CACHBDJJ.html 2017-11-24T15:12:50 < zyp> that makes sense 2017-11-24T15:13:25 < aandrew> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0440c/CHDCBDEB.html is good too 2017-11-24T15:13:40 < zyp> so TPIU is the trace IO block, ETM does hw trace, ITM does sw trace 2017-11-24T15:13:43 < dongs> why arm doc urls so fuckin ggross 2017-11-24T15:13:46 < dongs> and why are they using frames 2017-11-24T15:13:46 < dongs> in 2017 2017-11-24T15:13:47 < dongs> fuck 2017-11-24T15:13:48 < aandrew> indicates that like PaulFertser said, anything you want out of ETM must go through TIPU 2017-11-24T15:14:22 < PaulFertser> aandrew: if you need it out, yes, but on some SoCs you can have ETM saving data to a memory buffer instead. And then retrieve it somehow. 2017-11-24T15:14:39 < aandrew> right, through some interface hanging off ATB I suppose 2017-11-24T15:15:14 < PaulFertser> Often you do it on the target itself, as it's running a fully-functional OS. 2017-11-24T15:15:17 < dongs> interface hanging off AKB48 2017-11-24T15:16:09 < PaulFertser> zyp: no, ITM is not related to tracing. ITM works to output arbitrary multi-channel data from user application. 2017-11-24T15:16:28 < karlp> dwt is also connected to itm 2017-11-24T15:16:41 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's what I meant 2017-11-24T15:16:46 < PaulFertser> zyp: ok, sorry 2017-11-24T15:17:00 < zyp> I'd call them software-triggered trace events 2017-11-24T15:17:23 < PaulFertser> karlp: I wonder why nobody has so far contributed dwt configuration code to openocd. 2017-11-24T15:17:30 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T15:18:08 < karlp> because it can all be done in tcl 2017-11-24T15:18:12 < aandrew> so ITM is strictly "here is a low-impact way of getting data in and out of your application" where low-impact means it doesn't disturb your usual peripherals 2017-11-24T15:18:39 < aandrew> er ITM is out only 2017-11-24T15:18:40 < karlp> and only out, no in. 2017-11-24T15:18:56 < zyp> I see it as useful to interleave software events with a hardware trace 2017-11-24T15:19:20 < karlp> you can get exception tracing from DWT output via ITM to swo, it's pretty neat, 2017-11-24T15:19:36 < zyp> easier than to correlate a UART log to a hardware trace 2017-11-24T15:19:37 < karlp> and if you're putting data on itm channels, instead of damn printffing to it, you can get a lot more data output 2017-11-24T15:19:39 < aandrew> so if your debug interface supports memory reads that don't disturb the core, RTT gives you a really nice bidirectional side channel 2017-11-24T15:19:55 < karlp> and that's a property of coresight, not hte debug interface. 2017-11-24T15:20:01 < karlp> jlink isn't special there. 2017-11-24T15:20:17 < karlp> stlink can do it too. so can cmsis-dap for instance 2017-11-24T15:20:23 < aandrew> right, I know it's not anything jlink specific. it's just a matter of wiggling the SWD pins in a way that pleases the controller 2017-11-24T15:20:42 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-24T15:20:56 < karlp> yeah rtt gives you a "standard" memory interface to outside, taht in most cases is faster than stuff like semihosting 2017-11-24T15:21:06 < PaulFertser> lol, someone translated full openocd 0.7.0 manual to russian. 2017-11-24T15:21:07 < karlp> but you need to include the code for rtt into your app, and reserve teh ram 2017-11-24T15:21:16 < karlp> 0.7? why?! 2017-11-24T15:21:32 < aandrew> karlp: right, RTT consumes RAM and needs a sw library in your code 2017-11-24T15:22:13 < aandrew> and yes, ITM is usually used for printf() output but if you want to be pro you use it for far more interesting and detailed things 2017-11-24T15:22:19 < PaulFertser> karlp: no idea, http://microsin.net/programming/ARM/openocd-manual-part1.html 2017-11-24T15:22:22 < aandrew> I have to read up on SWO 2017-11-24T15:22:37 < aandrew> and how to get other info out of it 2017-11-24T15:22:57 < jpa-> ITM/SWO is also much faster if you use it for unformatted values instead of printf text 2017-11-24T15:23:06 < aandrew> yes 2017-11-24T15:23:13 < aandrew> vsprintf() is a pig 2017-11-24T15:23:23 < dongs> maybe if you use GNU 2017-11-24T15:23:25 < PaulFertser> karlp: probably because so many russians just can't be bothered to learn english :/ 2017-11-24T15:23:27 < dongs> did you know? 2017-11-24T15:23:33 < dongs> entire keil libc 2017-11-24T15:23:40 < dongs> is smalelr than pulling in printf() from newlib 2017-11-24T15:23:42 < dongs> entire 2017-11-24T15:23:49 < dongs> thats how much of a joke newlib/gcc shit is 2017-11-24T15:24:05 < dongs> *and* it doesnt need garbage like _sbark and wahtever other shit that happens if you try to use anything normal 2017-11-24T15:24:05 < aandrew> haha really? that's awesome 2017-11-24T15:24:49 < Laurenceb> >using printf 2017-11-24T15:24:57 < dongs> Laurenceb: not a problem with keil! 2017-11-24T15:24:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-24T15:24:58 < Laurenceb> >not using rfprintf 2017-11-24T15:25:14 < dongs> also, my opensores flight shit used some faggot printf() if building with gcc 2017-11-24T15:25:19 < dongs> which was buggy and didnt support float etc 2017-11-24T15:25:25 < Laurenceb> epin fail 2017-11-24T15:25:28 < dongs> keil printf WITH float support was SMALELR than that rfprintf shit built 2017-11-24T15:25:30 < PaulFertser> dongs: so how big is entire keil libc actually, in bytes? 2017-11-24T15:25:56 < dongs> PaulFertser: orders of magnitude smaller than newlib 2017-11-24T15:28:01 < Steffanx> ^ aka: i dont know 2017-11-24T15:28:08 < dongs> no, more like i dont give a shit 2017-11-24T15:28:25 < Steffanx> Also: i dont know, never looked into it. 2017-11-24T15:28:40 < dongs> if gnu libc didnt fucking suck, why would people waste time writing "fast" printfs? 2017-11-24T15:28:54 < zyp> "i dont give a shit about making substantiated claims, I just wanna throw shit" 2017-11-24T15:29:01 < dongs> of course, zyp 2017-11-24T15:29:07 < zyp> :) 2017-11-24T15:29:07 < dongs> that is the definition of trolling, after all 2017-11-24T15:29:08 < Steffanx> Zyp understands it. 2017-11-24T15:29:43 < Steffanx> I your case its no longer trolling, its your reality. 2017-11-24T15:30:38 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-24T15:30:52 < jpa-> he speaks the truth, but on the other hand C sucks, all printf()s suck, everything sucks if you just pick suitable criteria 2017-11-24T15:31:27 < dongs> yes everyone just use std::fuckoff::cout() 2017-11-24T15:31:45 < dongs> or whatever gross c++ equivalent of this shit is 2017-11-24T15:31:51 < jpa-> nowadays everyone should just use println!() 2017-11-24T15:32:00 < dongs> from arduino? 2017-11-24T15:32:03 < jpa-> no, rust 2017-11-24T15:32:11 < dongs> is ! significnat? 2017-11-24T15:32:14 < jpa-> yes 2017-11-24T15:32:15 < dongs> significant 2017-11-24T15:32:19 < dongs> what the fuck does it mean 2017-11-24T15:32:22 < jpa-> it's a macro 2017-11-24T15:33:43 < dongs> i probably dont want to know. 2017-11-24T15:34:03 < zyp> I don't either 2017-11-24T15:34:25 < jpa-> https://doc.rust-lang.org/src/std/macros.rs.html#150-154 that's how it looks in source code - beautiful, right? 2017-11-24T15:34:46 < zyp> haha 2017-11-24T15:34:50 < dongs> fuck!rust! 2017-11-24T15:34:59 < qyx> worse than c++ templates 2017-11-24T15:35:06 < dongs> Serial.print("LE "); if (Error52<0x10) {Serial.print("0");} Serial.print(Error52, HEX); if (Error53<0x10) {Serial.print("0");} Serial.println(Error53, HEX); 2017-11-24T15:35:11 < dongs> this is the kinda shit I have to deal with 2017-11-24T15:35:27 < jpa-> https://doc.rust-lang.org/src/std/macros.rs.html#328-330 they hid the code! 2017-11-24T15:35:28 < dongs> because faggotduino doesnt have printf() or whatever with formatting 2017-11-24T15:36:07 < dongs> and yes, this is all on one line 2017-11-24T15:36:08 < zyp> jpa-, shit that language looks messy 2017-11-24T15:36:29 < dongs> who came up with that rust shit 2017-11-24T15:36:39 < dongs> shit looks like someting o6 would love 2017-11-24T15:36:41 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, it does, atleast at first - quite a bit of new syntax 2017-11-24T15:37:06 < jpa-> it does have some nice features for detecting bugs at compile time but seems a bit difficult to get stuff to compile :P 2017-11-24T15:38:06 < jpa-> dongs: mozilla :P 2017-11-24T15:38:22 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Util/rprintf.c 2017-11-24T15:38:58 < karlp> yeah, recommending a gpl printf. -> fuck off 2017-11-24T15:39:33 < zyp> haha 2017-11-24T15:39:39 < jpa-> but i wouldn't be surprised if rust gains some significant following in the mcu world also in the next decade or so 2017-11-24T15:39:40 < PaulFertser> zyp: it has compile-time object lifetime tracking, unlike C++. 2017-11-24T15:39:59 < dongs> jpa, good fucking luck 2017-11-24T15:40:02 < zyp> PaulFertser, compile time? 2017-11-24T15:40:07 < jpa-> PaulFertser: be careful saying that, someone will show you 5000 line C++ template that does the same 2017-11-24T15:40:34 < jpa-> zyp: like RAII, but stricter rules that make it impossible to have stuff like dangling references 2017-11-24T15:40:43 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, you annotate objects and pass them around and compiler checks that you are not doing the wrong thing regarding lifetime. 2017-11-24T15:40:55 < zyp> jpa-, so RAII with smartpointers 2017-11-24T15:41:04 < karlp> then someone throws unsafe all over it and it falls back in a heap right? 2017-11-24T15:41:04 < dongs> how fucking lazy/shit is your code if you can't see these kinda problems in it automatically 2017-11-24T15:41:07 < dongs> while writing it 2017-11-24T15:41:13 < jpa-> (also make it very annoying to do things like function_that_modifies_two_things(&myarray[0], &myarray[1]) } 2017-11-24T15:41:16 < karlp> so, like, all the periperhal access code for micros in rust? 2017-11-24T15:41:43 < jpa-> zyp: no, RAII with compile-time resolving of lifetimes; it also has smart pointers though 2017-11-24T15:42:20 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, the current peripheral access code is a bit annoying, but it would make sense to have them atleast limit the unsafe{} to the peripheral memory area if nothing else 2017-11-24T15:43:24 < zyp> jpa-, what's the difference? 2017-11-24T15:43:53 < PaulFertser> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/03/31/c-core-guidelines-checkers-preview-of-the-lifetime-safety-checker/ 2017-11-24T15:44:07 < dongs> zyp, i guess to not be able to walk around your own program pointers/memory 2017-11-24T15:44:13 < jpa-> zyp: the compiler is smarter, and has syntax for stuff like "this function takes ownership of this value"; then problems can be pointed out at compile time 2017-11-24T15:44:21 < dongs> oh that 2017-11-24T15:44:24 < dongs> shruggin 2017-11-24T15:44:36 < zyp> jpa-, so does C++ if you use unique_ptr 2017-11-24T15:44:47 < dongs> is rust interpreted shit 2017-11-24T15:44:49 < jpa-> zyp: putting everything on the heap and using smart pointers for everything might get part of the benefits, though then your problem would be "why won't my stuff get deleted when i expect it to" 2017-11-24T15:44:53 < dongs> or did someone actualyl waste time to make a compiler for it 2017-11-24T15:45:38 < PaulFertser> zyp: lifetime checker has no runtime overhead, compared to a smartpointer. And requires no heap I guess? 2017-11-24T15:45:39 < jpa-> zyp: yep, C++ does some of the same things, but you can e.g. give reference to stack variable to function and automatically check it doesn't leave a dangling reference in C++ 2017-11-24T15:45:44 < zyp> jpa-, how can you pass around ownership of something that's not on the heap? 2017-11-24T15:46:03 < zyp> PaulFertser, std::unique_ptr is also compile time checking 2017-11-24T15:46:33 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, but it's unique access, you either move it somewhere or not. 2017-11-24T15:46:37 < jpa-> zyp: it's all done in compile time using static analysis; whether it is on stack or heap doesn't matter to the memory chip, ownership mainly means who calls destructor etc. 2017-11-24T15:47:03 < zyp> PaulFertser, it's not unique access, it's unique ownership 2017-11-24T15:47:04 < jpa-> dongs: it is compiled, uses llvm 2017-11-24T15:48:34 < zyp> jpa-, so what you're saying is that caller can allocate an object on stack, give it to callee, and callee calls destructor? 2017-11-24T15:48:35 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, so you either have unique ownership for free or multiple ownership with smartpointer overhead. Rust kinda gives you both if you can make static lifetime checker happy. 2017-11-24T15:48:59 < jpa-> zyp: yes 2017-11-24T15:49:14 < zyp> that sounds weird and pointless 2017-11-24T15:49:39 < jpa-> it separates the concern of managing ownership from the place where the stuff is allocated 2017-11-24T15:50:08 < jpa-> but yeah, in that specific case quite pointless 2017-11-24T15:50:26 < jpa-> i'm not rust-guru enough yet to figure out very good examples, i barely understand it myself 2017-11-24T15:50:46 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/other/parser.rs match() seems fun though :P 2017-11-24T15:51:26 < zyp> match? looks like a switch to me 2017-11-24T15:51:39 < jpa-> yeah, it is a fancier switch 2017-11-24T15:51:39 < aandrew> hm, I don't see anyh documentation on MTB in the infocenter 2017-11-24T15:52:15 < dongs> im lookin at imgui 2017-11-24T15:52:21 < dongs> to do some simple ui stuff in a windows app 2017-11-24T15:52:35 < aandrew> this is the very first time I've looked at rust code 2017-11-24T15:52:44 < dongs> hopefully the last, too 2017-11-24T15:52:53 < zyp> jpa-, okay, the bit matching stuff looks a bit cute 2017-11-24T15:53:03 < zyp> kinda reminds me of prolog 2017-11-24T15:53:18 < aandrew> heh I haven't played with prolog since I was like 13 2017-11-24T15:53:20 < zyp> which I pretty much remember nothing off 2017-11-24T15:53:36 < aandrew> M23 docs show MTB 2017-11-24T15:53:46 < zyp> programming course in uni included a part on prolog, don't remember much from it 2017-11-24T15:54:12 < jpa-> so far many things about rust feel like they're done right and well, and i do believe the claims of better detecting problems at compile time which is always nice - but not sure if it is still too cumbersome to actually use 2017-11-24T15:54:13 < aandrew> the only reason I was playing with prolog was because dad had a book on AI with prolog and I thought it would let me write super elite AIs 2017-11-24T15:54:19 < aandrew> nothing of the sort happened, I was disappoint 2017-11-24T15:54:44 < PaulFertser> I tried showing my students some prolog (had to learn it a bit for that myself :) ) but they weren't facinated by those multi-way "functions". 2017-11-24T15:55:32 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/other/heuristics.rs hmm that last line there, i can't understand it anymore :D 2017-11-24T15:55:57 < zyp> I remember I tried to make a sudoku solver in prolog 2017-11-24T15:56:17 < zyp> IIRC it worked, but ended up being way too slow to be useful for anything 2017-11-24T15:56:53 < dongs> .max_by(|&(_,a), &(_,b)| a.partial_cmp(&b).unwrap()).unwrap_or((0,0.0)).0 fucking really? 2017-11-24T15:57:21 < zyp> no wonder dongs hates python, if this is how unfamiliar languages looks :p 2017-11-24T15:57:26 < PaulFertser> btw, is anyone using https://github.com/nholthaus/units (or similar) with microcontrollers here? 2017-11-24T15:59:37 < jpa-> looks like the earlier lambda generates tuples of (index,score) and then the max_by() sorts them by score and .0 takes the index; and then there is this .unwrap() stuff that happens everywhere in rust code :P 2017-11-24T16:00:10 < dongs> zyp, thre's a differenfce between writing readable code, and just writing shit 2017-11-24T16:00:15 < dongs> i.e. python, rust, etc. 2017-11-24T16:00:23 < dongs> im sure the crap above can be broken up into several lines 2017-11-24T16:00:29 < dongs> with descriptive varible names and shit 2017-11-24T16:00:35 < dongs> so that looking at the code a mont hlater still makes sense 2017-11-24T16:00:44 < aandrew> yeah that line reminds me of perl golf contests 2017-11-24T16:00:47 < dongs> but nah, just bunch that shit up all in one line is totally A-OK for newfag coders 2017-11-24T16:00:49 < zyp> PaulFertser, I guess it would work fine, but it looks like it defaults to using doubles, which you might not want 2017-11-24T16:03:20 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, but this library seems useful even without any conversions, just to make compile-time dimensional analysis, so seems safe to redefine as int. 2017-11-24T16:07:19 < PaulFertser> There's https://github.com/johnmcfarlane/cnl for those who loves fixed point math. 2017-11-24T16:07:49 < dongs> uses cmake, page closed 2017-11-24T16:08:02 < dongs> pretty obvious author doesnt acutally want anyone to use thier shit 2017-11-24T16:08:10 < dongs> amirite y/y/y 2017-11-24T16:08:20 < zyp> to build tests, it says 2017-11-24T16:08:30 < dongs> i didnt care taht much 2017-11-24T16:08:35 < dongs> i see CMakefiles.txt = fuck off 2017-11-24T16:09:01 < zyp> it's header only, so to use it, just include the .h 2017-11-24T16:09:43 < zyp> PaulFertser, what are you gonna use it for? STL has some time unit stuff that looks nice 2017-11-24T16:10:26 < PaulFertser> zyp: I mean for embedded apps where you work with different real world values and do not want to accidentally mess up the order of function arguments or km/mi etc. 2017-11-24T16:10:45 < zyp> makes sense 2017-11-24T16:11:05 < zyp> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header/chrono <- I was thinking about this stuff 2017-11-24T16:13:04 < PaulFertser> Hm, more on the topic https://github.com/foonathan/type_safe 2017-11-24T16:17:17 < PaulFertser> I've actually spent more time than I expected when I needed to learn/use chrono stuff. 2017-11-24T16:17:41 < karlp> aandrew: yeah, m23 is the new m0, m33 is new m3 isn't it? 2017-11-24T16:17:42 < zyp> okay, I haven't used it yet, just looked at it 2017-11-24T16:18:06 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T16:18:16 < PaulFertser> You should have no problems, it's just I have too little experience with C++. 2017-11-24T16:18:24 < zyp> but it seems neat, the integer tick stuff should fit embedded well 2017-11-24T16:21:08 < PaulFertser> Not sure why but I never had fun using C++; while shitty eLisp somehow was really enjoyable. 2017-11-24T16:25:18 < tr0ubl3> Before I make it into a PCB I think I made the changes you guys suggested https://i.imgur.com/iiwUxcf.png did I miss anything 2017-11-24T16:26:40 < karlp> yeah, sharing a new schematic? 2017-11-24T16:27:26 < karlp> you should either have a cap to ground on nrst (believe ST) or a resistor to vcc (believe aandrew) 2017-11-24T16:27:43 < dongs> no cap 2017-11-24T16:27:43 < karlp> what ws it in the end? you replaced the part and it worked straight away? 2017-11-24T16:27:48 < dongs> resistor only if you're in noisy environment 2017-11-24T16:27:57 < karlp> dude, go read what st says again. 2017-11-24T16:28:02 < karlp> it says "nothing, cap if you're concerned" 2017-11-24T16:28:09 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T16:28:11 < tr0ubl3> Yeah it was fine when I replaced it 2017-11-24T16:28:23 < dongs> thats retarded, because the only concern would be a weak 50kish internal pullup 2017-11-24T16:28:28 < dongs> how would a cap help that 2017-11-24T16:28:32 < PaulFertser> Isn't ST datasheet basically saying cap only if you use a button? 2017-11-24T16:28:37 < karlp> PaulFertser: maybe, 2017-11-24T16:28:45 < karlp> eitherway, no need for a pullup 2017-11-24T16:28:50 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2017-11-24T16:29:04 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T16:30:02 < tr0ubl3> Okay I am going to try and route the PCB nicely this time 2017-11-24T16:30:16 < PaulFertser> Yeah, what dongs says, if you think internal ~50k pullup might be not enough given the noise expectations, probably worth making it stronger. 2017-11-24T16:32:29 < tr0ubl3> Okay I will add 0.1uF on the nrst line 2017-11-24T16:32:40 < dongs> theres no need for it 2017-11-24T16:32:55 < PaulFertser> We're sometimes using an ad-hoc device made from an automotive spark plug, coil and a trivial generator. Not sure how useful it is, but keyboards and mice stop working when it's turned on. stm32 boards do not. 2017-11-24T16:34:19 < zyp> haha 2017-11-24T16:36:06 < tr0ubl3> okay 2017-11-24T16:40:40 < tr0ubl3> If I could learn any PCB software which would you recommend 2017-11-24T16:41:05 < zyp> any? altium designer 2017-11-24T16:41:16 < dongs> def not kikecad 2017-11-24T16:41:21 < dongs> unless you wanna learn how to code at the same time 2017-11-24T16:41:25 < tr0ubl3> I 2017-11-24T16:41:37 < tr0ubl3> am reasonable at coding haha but altium looks good 2017-11-24T16:41:45 < karlp> yeah, altium isn't going to happen for the only hw person at a software company 2017-11-24T16:41:47 < dongs> i'd say use circuitmaker BUT 2017-11-24T16:41:50 < karlp> sure not legally anyway 2017-11-24T16:41:51 < Steffanx> Diptrace it is then. If your budget is low 2017-11-24T16:41:54 < tr0ubl3> I may have to "obtain" that.. 2017-11-24T16:41:55 < zyp> karlp, pff, worked for me 2017-11-24T16:42:02 < dongs> it has no upgrade path to altium 2017-11-24T16:42:09 < dongs> tr0ubl3: are you a student 2017-11-24T16:42:17 < dongs> altidumb student license is liek $100 2017-11-24T16:42:25 < dongs> or 100eur or whatever the shit 2017-11-24T16:42:29 < Steffanx> You cant use that license commercially afaik 2017-11-24T16:42:36 < dongs> his schematic doenst look commercial 2017-11-24T16:42:40 < tr0ubl3> Not at the moment I am taking a year out before university 2017-11-24T16:42:43 < tr0ubl3> Lol 2017-11-24T16:42:50 < Steffanx> If you use that you can as well use a warezed one 2017-11-24T16:42:59 < zyp> what Steffanx said 2017-11-24T16:43:10 < zyp> no point in a legal license if you're going to use it illegally 2017-11-24T16:43:12 * dongs looks at aandrew 2017-11-24T16:43:20 < Steffanx> Yes, aandrew :P 2017-11-24T16:43:40 < dongs> i bought fallout4 the other day cuz it was on sale, but im never gonna install it 2017-11-24T16:43:44 < dongs> cuz pir8 version is less annoying to use 2017-11-24T16:43:54 < dongs> i can just copy entire folder and run it 2017-11-24T16:43:56 < tr0ubl3> Yeah fair enough 2017-11-24T16:43:58 < dongs> no need for steam/drm/faggotry 2017-11-24T16:44:04 < tr0ubl3> I hate games that have the dumb denuvo 2017-11-24T16:44:07 < Steffanx> A college card and or email address is enough for a $99 version i believe 2017-11-24T16:44:38 < tr0ubl3> I have left my school and am going to university next year so idk if I could spin that 2017-11-24T16:45:11 < fenugrec> cadsoft eagle used to have a free version 2017-11-24T16:45:16 < dongs> snort. 2017-11-24T16:45:33 < dongs> now thats a reccomendation i didnt think i'd see in here 2017-11-24T16:45:46 < dongs> good thing they don't have a MAKE:R version anymore, cuz it might as well just be dead anyway 2017-11-24T16:46:08 < Ultrasauce> cad is for suckers, just draw on copper clad with an etch resist marker 2017-11-24T16:46:08 < tr0ubl3> okay I am going to get that dling on my seedbox 2017-11-24T16:46:19 < Steffanx> :P 2017-11-24T16:47:33 < BrainDamage> .. i have actually done that a few times 2017-11-24T16:47:35 < fenugrec> well last I checked (v5 ? 6 ? ) eagle worked just fine wihout taking up 29348723 GB on disk 2017-11-24T16:48:31 < Steffanx> My disk isnt even that large. 2017-11-24T16:48:43 < PaulFertser> How's your printer Steffanx, did mirror help? 2017-11-24T16:48:52 < tr0ubl3> Its a bit annoying that no one else does hw at my company because there is no one to help me 2017-11-24T16:49:12 < tr0ubl3> Well there is another intern but they took 3 months to turn a stepper motor with an arduino so that doesnt count 2017-11-24T16:49:59 < Steffanx> It did help, still have issues with the underextruded first layer PaulFertser 2017-11-24T16:50:17 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: cant do perfectly flat filled first layers 2017-11-24T16:50:45 < Steffanx> It always has gaps. 2017-11-24T16:50:48 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: do you specify custom extrusion width for it? And is skirt looking good and uniform? 2017-11-24T16:50:59 < karlp> fenugrec: free eagle can't be used commercially either, and non-free isn't very cheap these days. 2017-11-24T16:51:14 < fenugrec> true 2017-11-24T16:51:17 < Steffanx> It looks good to me PaulFertser. My printer even auto-levels now :P 2017-11-24T16:51:28 * karlp is just learning kicad, 2017-11-24T16:52:08 < tr0ubl3> I didnt mind kicad but they way you had to do things was quite long and the rendering was irritating 2017-11-24T16:52:14 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: today at work i read it might be an issue with the z-axis and bolts being fastened to tight. Have to look into that 2017-11-24T16:52:22 < Steffanx> Too* 2017-11-24T16:52:35 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: don't you have elastic couplers for the z axis? 2017-11-24T16:52:55 < fenugrec> karlp : how can you tolerate kicad's lack of back annotation 2017-11-24T16:54:02 < englishman> dongs, $16 to renew worksonmymachine.pro, worth it? 2017-11-24T16:54:49 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, never heard of that before, but it seems it does have those 2017-11-24T16:54:49 < dongs> please 2017-11-24T16:54:50 < dongs> i use it 2017-11-24T16:55:16 < karlp> fenugrec: I only use forward annotation, but yes, it's tedious enough to keep doing save net, load net. 2017-11-24T16:55:22 < ReadErr> yo dawgs 2017-11-24T16:55:24 < karlp> though kicad says you can go backwards too, 2017-11-24T16:55:26 < ReadErr> OVH sale 2017-11-24T16:55:29 < ReadErr> if u bout it 2017-11-24T16:55:30 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: https://3dprint.wiki/reprap/anet/a8/coupler 2017-11-24T16:55:34 < dongs> just like readstoner never paid me for gnaa.us 2017-11-24T16:55:39 < Steffanx> script kiddy home town, ReadErr.. 2017-11-24T16:55:45 < dongs> renewal 2017-11-24T16:55:45 < ReadErr> Steffanx: pfff 2017-11-24T16:55:55 < ReadErr> dongs: im not gnaa 2017-11-24T16:56:10 < ReadErr> i gave meep your email, hit him up on efnet tho meepsheep 2017-11-24T16:56:12 < karlp> fenugrec: also, i've not even finished my first kicad project to manufacturing yet, so... *shrugs* 2017-11-24T16:56:15 < ReadErr> he prolly forgot 2017-11-24T16:56:30 < fenugrec> karlp , yeh if you want to do a gateswap or pinswap, that garbage gets old really fast. 2017-11-24T16:56:30 < ReadErr> https://www.ovh.com/us/black-friday/ 2017-11-24T16:56:41 < ReadErr> buy so I can get nothing 2017-11-24T16:56:48 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: hmm interesting. Nice how i seem to learn new things daily :P 2017-11-24T16:59:26 < Steffanx> Dont you consider black friday as racism ReadErr? Such name.. 2017-11-24T16:59:32 < englishman> k renewed 2017-11-24T16:59:46 < ReadErr> Steffanx: ahem 2017-11-24T16:59:51 < ReadErr> we dont have patrick 2017-11-24T16:59:55 < ReadErr> or w/e that blackface fella is 2017-11-24T17:00:00 < ReadErr> that yall have 2017-11-24T17:00:14 < ReadErr> the INCREDIBLY racist stereotype 2017-11-24T17:00:19 < Steffanx> pete 2017-11-24T17:00:23 < ReadErr> ya that guy 2017-11-24T17:00:27 < ReadErr> fuckin pete 2017-11-24T17:00:38 < dongs> ReadErr: i dont talk to faggots 2017-11-24T17:01:16 < ReadErr> dongs: well gimme a msg and ill see it gets to him 2017-11-24T17:01:26 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, it seems to be installed the wrong way by default then. 2017-11-24T17:01:39 < ReadErr> Steffanx: why you think ovh is for skiddies only? 2017-11-24T17:01:43 < Steffanx> Yes. 2017-11-24T17:01:58 < ReadErr> but why 2017-11-24T17:02:08 < englishman> ovh is gr8 2017-11-24T17:02:13 < Steffanx> lol no of course not, but it does attrack quite a few of them, because fucking arse cheap 2017-11-24T17:02:13 < englishman> there is no comparable $3 vps 2017-11-24T17:02:24 < Steffanx> ^^ 2017-11-24T17:02:32 < ReadErr> theres worse, hertzer 2017-11-24T17:02:37 < ReadErr> or w/e that german filth is 2017-11-24T17:02:48 < ReadErr> hetzer 2017-11-24T17:03:15 < ReadErr> but shit, 43$ for a year, 4gb ram 2017-11-24T17:03:23 < ReadErr> sheiiiiittt, ill take it 2017-11-24T17:03:32 < ReadErr> prices are goin up next month too by a dolla 2017-11-24T17:05:55 < karlp> fenugrec: well, haven't had enough experience with gateswap or pinswap functionality in enough other places yet, so... maybe will deal with that then? 2017-11-24T17:06:57 < englishman> lol 2017-11-24T17:06:58 < englishman> ReadErr: 2017-11-24T17:07:02 < englishman> CloudatCost Black Friday 2017 has started and all packages 2017-11-24T17:07:06 < englishman> why are they spamming me 2017-11-24T17:07:09 < ReadErr> lol 2017-11-24T17:07:16 < ReadErr> my shits still up 2017-11-24T17:07:17 < ReadErr> lol 2017-11-24T17:07:17 < englishman> now there's a shitty vps 2017-11-24T17:07:28 < ReadErr> i treat em like prostitutes 2017-11-24T17:07:31 < englishman> To Unsubscribe: If you don't want to receive these messages please change your email preferences here https://members.cloudatcost.com on your profile page. 2017-11-24T17:07:31 < ReadErr> alpharacks 2017-11-24T17:07:34 < englishman> thats actualyl illegal 2017-11-24T17:07:34 < englishman> here 2017-11-24T17:07:34 < ReadErr> has 7$/year vps 2017-11-24T17:07:37 < englishman> you need 1click unsub 2017-11-24T17:07:38 < ReadErr> otoday 2017-11-24T17:08:07 < englishman> thats the one that skiddie recommended 2017-11-24T17:08:10 < englishman> that was just as shit 2017-11-24T17:08:13 < englishman> i had to pp dispute 2017-11-24T17:08:18 < ReadErr> nahhh that was a diff one 2017-11-24T17:08:21 < ReadErr> w/ only ipv6 2017-11-24T17:08:23 < englishman> i could never even ping or bring up kvm 2017-11-24T17:08:39 < ReadErr> i remember what u talkin about tho 2017-11-24T17:08:56 < ReadErr> but alpharacks works okay, i got markov trash on em 2017-11-24T17:09:19 < tr0ubl3> Okay first impressions of altium are good 2017-11-24T17:09:38 < englishman> glad you are graduating to professional tools 2017-11-24T17:09:49 < ReadErr> wow and on ovh too 2017-11-24T17:09:54 < ReadErr> Steffanx: take notes 2017-11-24T17:11:11 < Steffanx> uhm? I missed something? Take notes on what? 2017-11-24T17:11:22 < ReadErr> taking a joke! 2017-11-24T17:11:24 < ReadErr> j/k 2017-11-24T17:11:37 < Steffanx> no kidding here! 2017-11-24T17:12:05 < Steffanx> this is not comedy central 2017-11-24T17:12:13 < tr0ubl3> I use ovh for my bouncer and my website its good enough and cheap 2017-11-24T17:13:16 < ReadErr> tr0ubl3: the price goes up in dec 2017-11-24T17:13:25 < ReadErr> so renew to save $ 2017-11-24T17:13:36 < ReadErr> and blackfriday is 50% off for a year 2017-11-24T17:14:31 < tr0ubl3> Hm I am only paying £2-3 a month so not really that bothered about a small increase 2017-11-24T17:14:42 < englishman> yeah the $3 one isnt on sael 2017-11-24T17:15:13 < ReadErr> ya it is 2017-11-24T17:15:20 < ReadErr> its 2.something 2017-11-24T17:16:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T17:17:36 < tr0ubl3> something to consider 2017-11-24T17:17:55 < englishman> VPS SSD 1 2017-11-24T17:17:56 < englishman> wat 2017-11-24T17:18:01 < englishman> its going to $^? 2017-11-24T17:18:03 < englishman> $6? 2017-11-24T17:18:15 < ReadErr> its going to be 4.50 2017-11-24T17:18:19 < ReadErr> muricans 2017-11-24T17:18:24 < ReadErr> up from 3.50 2017-11-24T17:18:25 < englishman> i cant renew the one i have with this 2017-11-24T17:18:30 < ReadErr> nah you cant 2017-11-24T17:18:34 < englishman> meh 2017-11-24T17:18:45 < ReadErr> but migrating is just an rsync 2017-11-24T17:18:53 < ReadErr> pretty much 2017-11-24T17:19:00 < ReadErr> ips move over 2017-11-24T17:19:00 < englishman> im already good til june 2018 tho 2017-11-24T17:19:04 < ReadErr> ah 2017-11-24T17:19:09 < englishman> so why dont i buy 12 months now 2017-11-24T17:19:17 < englishman> at 3.5 2017-11-24T17:19:32 < englishman> then il be good til trump's 2nd term 2017-11-24T17:19:59 < englishman> and the ips i paid for il keep 2017-11-24T17:20:32 < tr0ubl3> Its going to be 4.50 GBP? I am paying 3 GBP for it at the moment 2017-11-24T17:20:48 < englishman> yeah kind of dumb for a $3 vps to charge $5 2017-11-24T17:20:54 < englishman> then its not a $3 vps anymore 2017-11-24T17:20:54 < ReadErr> tr0ubl3: its going up 1$ 2017-11-24T17:21:03 < ReadErr> or maybe its 1 currency 2017-11-24T17:21:09 < ReadErr> 1gbp/1dollar 2017-11-24T17:21:21 < ReadErr> for ddos 2017-11-24T17:21:47 < tr0ubl3> bloody brexit 2017-11-24T17:21:53 < ReadErr> but shit 2017-11-24T17:21:57 < ReadErr> even at the new price 2017-11-24T17:22:02 < ReadErr> its stilll a good deal 2017-11-24T17:22:11 < englishman> yeah they are reliable as fuck 2017-11-24T17:22:13 < ReadErr> resource wise and network integrity 2017-11-24T17:22:21 < englishman> way better than digitalocean 2017-11-24T17:22:25 < ReadErr> ddos protection 2017-11-24T17:22:31 < ReadErr> you will pay out the dickhole 2017-11-24T17:22:31 < tr0ubl3> I am happy with what I have at the moment. I think I might upgrade to a p2.xlarge instance running 24/7 2017-11-24T17:22:33 < ReadErr> elsewhere 2017-11-24T17:23:06 < tr0ubl3> digitalocean's support articles are top notch 2017-11-24T17:23:58 < ReadErr> when i need a burner 2017-11-24T17:24:02 < ReadErr> vultr.com by the hour 2017-11-24T17:24:17 < ReadErr> they give you a /64 ipv6 2017-11-24T17:24:21 < ReadErr> allows some funs 2017-11-24T17:24:44 < ReadErr> https://streamable.com/ualj4 2017-11-24T17:25:03 < Steffanx> efnet, the place not to be. 2017-11-24T17:25:25 < ReadErr> look at the fun tho 2017-11-24T17:25:36 < Steffanx> Yeah. 2017-11-24T17:25:37 < ReadErr> so many colors and artifacts 2017-11-24T17:25:45 < tr0ubl3> Nice. The aws ec2 instances are good for deep learning stuff and getting a tesla k80 + 64gb ram is great for $.90 an hour 2017-11-24T17:28:18 < englishman> ReadErr: 10% off S&W 500 8.3" 2017-11-24T17:28:28 < ReadErr> lol 2017-11-24T17:28:41 < ReadErr> lmk when they have blowouts on 50cal air rifles 2017-11-24T17:33:40 < ReadErr> dongs: 24hr stream today 2017-11-24T17:33:49 < ReadErr> crashing icepussydongs 2017-11-24T17:37:34 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T17:39:16 < DelvingDeeper> So.... my clock lines go active and I can see that the mcu sends commands to my micro SD, although it doesn't seem to respond. I checked the blocksize,blocknbr, relcardadd and their all 0. hence my writes and reads are failing. Is there a function I'm suppose to call to get the SDcard's specifications? here's an example of the sdcard parameters that return 0. uint32_t size1 =hsd2.SdCard.BlockSize; 2017-11-24T17:39:56 < aandrew> Laurenceb: why completely reimplement vsnprintf() ? 2017-11-24T17:40:11 < ReadErr> wow DelvingDeeper 2017-11-24T17:40:14 < ReadErr> no 'hello' 2017-11-24T17:40:18 < ReadErr> straight to business 2017-11-24T17:40:27 < DelvingDeeper> ReadErr: hello :) 2017-11-24T17:40:33 < ReadErr> greetings 2017-11-24T17:40:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-24T17:41:03 < DelvingDeeper> ReadErr: Been up since 4 am on this so a little dead,sorry bout that 2017-11-24T17:42:15 < englishman> ReadErr: your asskey chan got taken over by freenode dweebs 2017-11-24T17:42:19 < DelvingDeeper> Majorit of ppl here are from the states right? Happy thanksgiving everyone 2017-11-24T17:42:24 < englishman> who would rather post ansi to gopher:// than scroll it in chan 2017-11-24T17:42:30 < ReadErr> RIP blap 2017-11-24T17:42:43 < ReadErr> he cant evade a kline? 2017-11-24T17:43:10 < englishman> DelvingDeeper: i think the majority are not but we can recognize and respect the desire for 🦃 2017-11-24T17:43:33 * karlp always desires question mark diamonds :) 2017-11-24T17:44:41 < DelvingDeeper> Englishman: South african here, always thought majority were from the states. Which was weird seeing any activity here 2017-11-24T17:45:21 < englishman> ah cool, zef style 2017-11-24T17:45:59 < Steffanx> lol, majority is from europeland DelvingDeeper :P 2017-11-24T17:46:48 < DelvingDeeper> Steffanx: good to know! a little closer to my timezone :p 2017-11-24T17:46:49 < DelvingDeeper> https://arouseemotions.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/smiley2.gif?w=692&h=388 2017-11-24T17:48:03 < Steffanx> Goeiedag DelvingDeeper :P 2017-11-24T17:53:33 < Steffanx> Oh that gif is actually from the movie from your homeland DelvingDeeper. Took me a while to remember why i knew it. 2017-11-24T17:55:04 < DelvingDeeper> Steffanx: Good old afrikaans :p, yeah they gained some big popularity but their music is super weird. Not huge in SA but some ppl overseas love them 2017-11-24T17:58:36 < dongs> who 2017-11-24T17:58:43 < dongs> oh that guy. 2017-11-24T17:59:12 < dongs> do they even have electricity in SA 2017-11-24T17:59:37 < DelvingDeeper> dongs: lmfao, yeah we're doing well. Politics just really screw the country over 2017-11-24T18:00:00 < Thorn> how do I protect a device from overvoltage if the LDO has max Vin = 5.5V and the smallest P6KE is 6.8V? 2017-11-24T18:00:12 < dongs> what the shit is p6ke 2017-11-24T18:00:21 < dongs> zener? 2017-11-24T18:00:38 < dongs> o tvs 2017-11-24T18:00:46 < DelvingDeeper> tvs would be good 2017-11-24T18:01:37 < karlp> get a less shit ldo ;) 2017-11-24T18:03:18 < Thorn> no it's actually 6V max 2017-11-24T18:04:19 < Thorn> I tested the tvs and it starts to conduct significant current @ about 6.9V 2017-11-24T18:04:32 < Thorn> (one sample only of course) 2017-11-24T18:06:25 < DelvingDeeper> thron: Really depends on its specs, if its meant to short current to ground at 6.9V then it's doing its job? 2017-11-24T18:22:00 < karlp> tvs's can get toasty yeah 2017-11-24T18:29:35 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-24T18:29:46 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, i did that elastic coupler thing and loosed some bolts a bit. Seems go better now 2017-11-24T18:30:09 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: but that might also be because i had to relevel the bed. :P 2017-11-24T18:30:29 < Steffanx> *nozzle 2017-11-24T18:33:14 < kakimir> ultrabuck has new comparators 2017-11-24T18:33:17 < kakimir> it works 2017-11-24T18:33:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T18:33:21 < kakimir> like I planned 2017-11-24T18:33:29 < kakimir> voltage levels re spot on 2017-11-24T18:33:36 < kakimir> leds and shiet work 2017-11-24T18:33:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-24T18:35:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-24T18:39:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-24T18:40:06 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T18:47:45 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T18:47:45 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-24T18:47:45 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T18:47:54 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1te8UQp1HzjdV4ThddQsXVTfUDL1xfkYc/view?usp=sharing uvlo and uvalarm tests 2017-11-24T18:48:00 < kakimir> for comparator 2017-11-24T18:48:24 < kakimir> leds are powered from regulator output so you can clearly see it's working without load at least 2017-11-24T18:50:51 < dongs> what kinda autistic shit cares about 0.01V difference 2017-11-24T18:52:10 < kakimir> what do you mean? 2017-11-24T18:52:12 < kakimir> hysteresis? 2017-11-24T18:52:20 < kakimir> it has hysteresis of 100mV or so 2017-11-24T18:52:43 < kakimir> I'm just checking the values are in the range 2017-11-24T18:52:51 < kakimir> not exact 2017-11-24T18:53:30 < dongs> if (ImGui::Button("Test Window")) show_test_window ^= 1; 2017-11-24T18:53:33 < dongs> god damn fucking gross french code 2017-11-24T18:53:41 < dongs> shouldnt sample code be fucking readable 2017-11-24T18:53:45 < dongs> all this garbage on one line 2017-11-24T18:53:56 < dongs> this dude is probbly a pro ruby coder 2017-11-24T18:59:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNg_-NkhUns 2017-11-24T18:59:16 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:00:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsRN78qMxM 2017-11-24T19:01:08 < Laurenceb> >Police attending incident at London's Oxford Circus Tube station - people seen running away from scene 2017-11-24T19:01:11 < Laurenceb> the fire rises 2017-11-24T19:01:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:02:10 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-24T19:02:18 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:03:49 < dongs> someone should turn the autism youtube into a 64k demo 2017-11-24T19:04:25 < dongs> or 8k 2017-11-24T19:14:03 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p54926D75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:15:23 < tr0ubl3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed4S_y-sywI 2017-11-24T19:17:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.218.116] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:18:11 < dongs> bwahaha. i was playing that shit at pretty low volume and kitten walked into teh room confused as fuck 2017-11-24T19:22:20 -!- syn0 [hoofman@odin.sdf-eu.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-24T19:22:44 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/fD25HUCJ 2017-11-24T19:22:51 < Laurenceb> implying autists ever talk to a grrl 2017-11-24T19:25:05 < tr0ubl3> Apparently running your hands along a fence when walking is autistic damn 2017-11-24T19:25:08 < Laurenceb> my sides @ Romeo and Juliet part 2017-11-24T19:25:25 < dongs> < tr0ubl3> Apparently running your hands along a fence when walking is autistic damn 2017-11-24T19:25:28 < dongs> im fucked 2017-11-24T19:25:31 < dongs> i always do taht 2017-11-24T19:25:34 < Laurenceb> damn if only I could have read this at school 2 troll the English teacher 2017-11-24T19:25:43 < tr0ubl3> Yeah so do I am I autistic then 2017-11-24T19:25:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-24T19:25:51 < Laurenceb> >on irc 2017-11-24T19:25:55 < Laurenceb> >not an autist 2017-11-24T19:26:13 < tr0ubl3> *>on ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:26:15 < Cracki> normies get out reee? 2017-11-24T19:26:39 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-Y1ch4b5c 2017-11-24T19:26:48 < englishman> beep aandrew you like DF17 right 2017-11-24T19:26:49 < tr0ubl3> Anyway i am going to go home and get high for the weekend so see ya later 2017-11-24T19:27:36 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:27:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-24T19:27:41 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-24T19:28:47 < Cracki> bye tr0uffl3 2017-11-24T19:29:10 < Cracki> (are there trouffle shrooms?) 2017-11-24T19:30:27 < englishman> where the shit is the pin numbering scheme 2017-11-24T19:31:08 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T19:33:41 < dongs> why do you need one 2017-11-24T19:33:49 < dongs> its keyed so just make your own shit 2017-11-24T19:34:12 < englishman> fff k 2017-11-24T19:34:15 < englishman> cloning shit 2017-11-24T19:34:30 < englishman> damn japs 2017-11-24T19:35:12 < dongs> i fucking hope its keyed anyway 2017-11-24T19:35:19 < dongs> cuz it sure doesnt look like it from the drawings 2017-11-24T19:35:20 < dongs> lole 2017-11-24T19:35:23 < englishman> it is, with pcb legs 2017-11-24T19:35:58 < englishman> The yyyyModules counts pins 1-20 on one side of the connector, 21-40 on the other size. 2017-11-24T19:35:58 < englishman> xxxxx symbol and footprint convention has even pins on one side, odd on the other. 2017-11-24T19:35:58 < englishman> Pinout has been remapped to match xxxxx pin numbering convention 2017-11-24T19:35:59 < dongs> but not against incorrect plugin 2017-11-24T19:36:02 < englishman> then a big fuckign table 2017-11-24T19:36:07 < englishman> fuck im going to fuck this up 2017-11-24T19:36:11 < englishman> oh, no 2017-11-24T19:36:21 < englishman> but that wont matter in my case, pcb is hueg 2017-11-24T19:37:49 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bNgvFQTwJI retweet 2017-11-24T19:38:20 < englishman> wut 2017-11-24T19:38:23 < englishman> who cares 2017-11-24T19:39:00 < englishman> if you go prying shit up when youre on an airplane you can pry a lot of shit up before you reach anything important 2017-11-24T19:50:28 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-24T19:56:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T20:14:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-20e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T20:14:25 -!- Ultrasauce [~quassel@142.163.117.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-24T20:14:45 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-24T20:16:48 -!- Ultrasauce [~quassel@142.163.117.67] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T20:18:44 < Laurenceb> lulz 2017-11-24T20:18:45 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/blob/devel/selfdrive/visiond/visiond 2017-11-24T20:18:52 < Laurenceb> where is ur opensores now 2017-11-24T20:21:20 < Laurenceb> lulwut its an OpenCV project? 2017-11-24T20:21:35 < Laurenceb> BSD ftw 2017-11-24T20:24:53 < Cracki> they checked binary files in? 2017-11-24T20:25:03 < Laurenceb> wew its all binary files 2017-11-24T20:25:05 < Laurenceb> yeah 2017-11-24T20:25:06 < Cracki> lol 2017-11-24T20:25:12 < Laurenceb> nopensores 2017-11-24T20:25:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsLDLa0zPvU 2017-11-24T20:26:04 < Laurenceb> and that is just the code he can read 2017-11-24T20:28:55 -!- static [~quassel@p54926D75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T20:31:27 < Cracki> his microphone... 2017-11-24T20:32:21 < Cracki> Makefile: release: @echo "sensord: this is a release" 2017-11-24T20:38:08 < Cracki> that python code looks unmaintainable 2017-11-24T20:39:04 < Laurenceb> the whole project does 2017-11-24T20:39:33 < Cracki> https://medium.com/@comma_ai/how-does-openpilot-work-c7076d4407b3 2017-11-24T20:39:37 < Cracki> just click the links to source 2017-11-24T20:39:50 < Laurenceb> top kek 2017-11-24T20:39:51 < Cracki> the controller for steering angle and torque is just handrolled 2017-11-24T20:39:57 < Laurenceb> "open" source 2017-11-24T20:40:37 < Cracki> SSC would be abstracting typical controller logic and using it 2017-11-24T20:41:10 < Cracki> I don't see any notion of time or delta-t there either 2017-11-24T20:41:35 < Cracki> nvm, some places have that... 2017-11-24T20:41:41 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T20:42:04 < Cracki> wonder what they do when the processes die... 2017-11-24T20:43:10 < Cracki> gawd magic constants inline, ad hoc saturation treatment 2017-11-24T20:44:29 < Cracki> hahah pid_lateral_control(): 11 args in, 6 values out 2017-11-24T20:44:46 < Cracki> doesn't look like they know what "object oriented" means 2017-11-24T20:52:37 < Steffanx> PROgramming. 2017-11-24T20:54:12 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T21:09:27 -!- static [~quassel@p54926D75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-24T21:41:05 -!- static [~quassel@p54926D75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T21:45:07 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T21:46:34 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-24T21:55:12 -!- static [~quassel@p54926D75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-24T22:10:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-20e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-24T22:10:45 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-20e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T22:32:02 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-24T22:33:29 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T22:36:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.218.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-24T23:09:05 -!- srk [sorki@fedora/sorki] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-24T23:11:45 -!- srk [sorki@fedora/sorki] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T23:45:54 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-24T23:59:18 < stvn> s t f f n --- Day changed Sat Nov 25 2017 2017-11-25T00:10:54 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-25T00:18:09 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-20e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-25T00:22:11 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2017-11-25T00:39:23 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T00:43:44 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T00:44:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-25T00:46:21 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-25T00:59:30 < Laurenceb_> til Sargon earns >UKP100k from his video shit 2017-11-25T00:59:38 < Laurenceb_> I'm in the wrong jerb 2017-11-25T01:09:29 -!- enh [~enhering@187.114.197.43] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T01:13:08 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-25T01:25:04 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-25T01:25:29 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T01:55:14 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-25T01:58:08 < aandrew> who is sargon 2017-11-25T02:04:36 < Getty> isnt that the brother of aragon? 2017-11-25T02:08:13 < Laurenceb_> Sarcuck of Mossad 2017-11-25T02:10:00 < Laurenceb_> https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0093/47/1491669759753.png 2017-11-25T02:12:16 < Laurenceb_> lulowned 2017-11-25T02:12:17 < Laurenceb_> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/11/24/2157221/pornhub-owner-may-become-the-uks-gatekeeper-of-online-porn 2017-11-25T02:12:31 < Laurenceb_> oh wait Iive in that country 2017-11-25T02:15:54 < Laurenceb_> status: moving to Russia 2017-11-25T02:27:16 < Thorn> are electret mikes static sensitive 2017-11-25T02:28:27 < Laurenceb_> prob not very 2017-11-25T02:28:36 < Laurenceb_> unless they have a fet built in 2017-11-25T02:29:08 < Thorn> I sure hope they do lol 2017-11-25T02:30:32 < Laurenceb_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Electret_condenser_microphone_schematic.png/220px-Electret_condenser_microphone_schematic.png 2017-11-25T02:30:44 < Laurenceb_> doesnt look immensely sensitive 2017-11-25T02:47:52 < Laurenceb_> wew 2017-11-25T02:48:01 < Laurenceb_> >watching uk apprentice 2017-11-25T02:48:13 < Laurenceb_> >supervisor just called someone a manchild 2017-11-25T02:49:41 < Laurenceb_> inb4 they use "weaponised autism" 2017-11-25T02:53:05 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p54926D75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-25T03:07:21 < kakimir> are you a manchild Laurenceb_ ? 2017-11-25T03:07:23 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-25T03:07:34 * Laurenceb_ looks nervously 2017-11-25T03:07:36 < Laurenceb_> surely not 2017-11-25T03:07:52 < kakimir> I am a bit 2017-11-25T03:09:02 < kakimir> every time I hear word manchild I think Neneh Cherry - Manchild 2017-11-25T03:11:15 < aandrew> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-21/mobile-homes-are-so-expensive-now-hurricane-victims-can-t-afford-them 2017-11-25T03:11:51 < kakimir> free trade them from europe 2017-11-25T03:17:32 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGt_t7wL0nU 2k musaic times 2017-11-25T03:19:24 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-25T03:19:27 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T03:20:45 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T03:22:12 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T03:22:59 < kakimir> rtos makes me really excited 2017-11-25T03:23:11 < kakimir> it makes everything look so easy 2017-11-25T03:24:20 < Laurenceb_> https://medusamagazine.com/i-created-medusa-magazine-and-i-am-shutting-it-down-because-feminist-stupidity-has-surpassed-satire 2017-11-25T03:28:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T03:28:19 < kakimir> so event group is basically a variable to write to and queue is like a fifo line of variables or something? 2017-11-25T03:29:25 < kakimir> I don't yet know what difference it makes to use event group over variable 2017-11-25T03:29:32 < kakimir> but surelly there is a reason 2017-11-25T03:30:55 < kakimir> maybe use of auxiliary functions you don't need to write yourself 2017-11-25T03:48:13 -!- enh [~enhering@187.114.197.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-25T03:53:57 < Laurenceb_> >Black Friday is a thing 2017-11-25T03:54:00 < Laurenceb_> I wish Drumpf would build the wall already. Hopefully it will stretch around the entirety of America's borders and also shut out all communications and supply with the outside world, so we don't have to put up with yank shit any more. 2017-11-25T04:05:43 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T04:10:32 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T04:17:03 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T04:31:12 < aandrew> hahaha 2017-11-25T04:31:13 < aandrew> < incog> im banned from shithub 2017-11-25T04:31:26 < aandrew> < incog> i forked his mogrel2 as dongrel2, filled the license with dicks and added him as a contributor 2017-11-25T04:31:34 < aandrew> if I didn't know better I'd say that guy is dongs 2017-11-25T04:40:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T04:48:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T04:55:51 < dongs> no, hes a fucking moron 2017-11-25T04:56:02 < dongs> and you hanging out in same channel with him isnt making it any better 2017-11-25T04:57:08 < aandrew> it's LRH time and I'm in no mood to work 2017-11-25T04:58:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-25T04:59:44 < dongs> is it on 2017-11-25T05:00:55 < aandrew> it's friday night, of course it is 2017-11-25T05:01:08 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/LGblVJN.jpg 2017-11-25T05:01:24 < dongs> ghana trolls are trolling me again 2017-11-25T05:01:34 < aandrew> wtf is throwed? 2017-11-25T05:01:42 < dongs> trolled written by a nigger 2017-11-25T05:01:46 < aandrew> srs? 2017-11-25T05:01:55 < dongs> well thats waht i TOLD to write 2017-11-25T05:02:10 < aandrew> oic 2017-11-25T05:02:33 < dongs> 3 am in ghana, so trolling is kinda limited now 2017-11-25T05:02:36 < dongs> gotta wait for the rest of htem to wake up 2017-11-25T05:02:44 < dongs> my email got posted on some ghana dating site 2017-11-25T05:02:47 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-25T05:02:50 < dongs> so everytime i wake up i get a bunch of messages in hangouts 2017-11-25T05:02:52 < dongs> from niggers 2017-11-25T05:03:01 < aandrew> wtf are yo doing soliciting ghanians 2017-11-25T05:03:24 < dongs> ot was probly o6's doing 2017-11-25T05:03:31 < dongs> it 2017-11-25T05:04:30 < dongs> http://www.timebie.com/timezone/vancouverghana.php 2017-11-25T05:04:34 < dongs> this is one of the first hits for "time in ghana" 2017-11-25T05:04:44 < dongs> i guess they troll lots of fags from fagcouver 2017-11-25T05:05:18 < aandrew> weird 2017-11-25T05:06:49 < aandrew> you'd be pleased 2017-11-25T05:07:05 < aandrew> I picked up a little samd51 contract 2017-11-25T05:07:15 < dongs> retarduino? 2017-11-25T05:07:18 < aandrew> kind of slow so I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel 2017-11-25T05:07:20 < aandrew> freecancer 2017-11-25T05:07:23 < dongs> cool 2017-11-25T05:07:46 < dongs> The SAM D51 high performance micro-controller series is targeted for general purpose applications using the 32-bit ARM® Cortex®-M4 processor with Floating Point Unit (FPU), running up to 120 MHz ,up to 1 MB Dual Panel Flash with ECC, and up to 256 KB of SRAM with ECC . 2017-11-25T05:07:52 < dongs> is that new? 2017-11-25T05:08:08 < dongs> hah, two SDIO controllers 2017-11-25T05:08:52 < dongs> Public Key Cryptography Controller (PUKCC) and associated Classical Public Key Cryptography Library (PUKCL) 2017-11-25T05:08:55 < dongs> RSA, DSA 2017-11-25T05:08:57 < dongs> huh, thats a lot of crypto for a mcu 2017-11-25T05:09:00 < dongs> Elliptic Curves Cryptography (ECC) ECC GF(2n), ECC GF(p) 2017-11-25T05:09:00 < dongs> even ECC stuff 2017-11-25T05:09:02 < dongs> Integrity Check Module (ICM) based on Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA1, SHA224, SHA256), DMA 2017-11-25T05:09:25 < dongs> it can execute code from QSPI? 2017-11-25T05:10:11 < dongs> other than garbage ADC (as usual for atmel shit), it doesnt look all that bad actaully 2017-11-25T05:10:26 < aandrew> yeah, it's some cell connection shit for a comp in fl 2017-11-25T05:10:42 < aandrew> LTE M1 which is pretty fucking new 2017-11-25T05:18:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-81-152-158-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T05:47:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T05:49:03 -!- enh [~enhering@187.114.197.43] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T05:53:35 -!- enh [~enhering@187.114.197.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T05:57:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-81-152-158-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T06:17:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T06:29:42 < Thorn> wtf is AVR UC3 2017-11-25T06:41:58 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T06:44:46 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-89-216-207-11.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhGnuWwpNxI found zyp 2017-11-25T13:56:41 -!- enh [~enhering@187.114.197.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T14:02:58 < jpa-> invzim: even that 7% error seems like quite a lot, given that it should be +-3% accurate even without calibration 2017-11-25T14:03:11 < jpa-> maybe your sample time is too short? 2017-11-25T14:12:25 < invzim> nah, set it to 480 samples 2017-11-25T14:12:40 < invzim> doing dma, it goes in the order of the rank right? 2017-11-25T14:14:07 < invzim> could be a hw issue 2017-11-25T14:14:16 < invzim> I blame cube and st libs of course 2017-11-25T14:15:07 < jpa-> is your 3.3V accurate? 2017-11-25T14:15:19 < jpa-> (note that on STM32 discoverys, it is not) 2017-11-25T14:15:37 < invzim> just jerry rigged into the lab psu 2017-11-25T14:18:38 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T14:22:02 < Thorn> on discovery boards there is no 3.3V, there are diodes after 3.3V LDOs 2017-11-25T14:22:19 < invzim> not discovery, my own 2017-11-25T14:23:22 < jpa-> so how accurate is your lab psu? 2017-11-25T14:23:52 < kakimir> what is that thread drill called that makes male thread? 2017-11-25T14:23:58 < invzim> pretty darn accurate :) 2017-11-25T14:24:25 < jpa-> kakimir: die? 2017-11-25T14:24:30 < invzim> rigol dp831, multimeter is 5.5 digit siglent sdm3055 2017-11-25T14:24:45 < kakimir> yes jpa 2017-11-25T14:24:46 < kakimir> thanks 2017-11-25T14:25:10 < invzim> now I'm reading vrefint 25.. something's majorly screwed up 2017-11-25T14:27:18 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T14:31:03 -!- abiogenesis [~quassel@p5494513F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T14:44:14 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.20.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-25T14:47:45 < invzim> hm, so adc1 and adc2 reads sane voltages when using fixed 3.3 in calculation 2017-11-25T15:10:45 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 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BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T15:28:55 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T15:31:36 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@94.234.51.40] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T15:34:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-25T16:08:47 < invzim> tf, vrefint reading correlates to what I input on ADC1_IN2 2017-11-25T16:11:12 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T16:33:54 < Thorn> does it make sense to add a decoupling cap for a ds18b20 connected to the board via a cable? 2017-11-25T16:36:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-25T16:41:38 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T16:49:52 < karlp> kakimir: with some of the mechanisms in freertos, it's because some of them have been there for years,a nd some of them are much newer, 2017-11-25T16:50:19 < karlp> also, some of the more "featureful" ones, used to often have more flash usage for instance, 2017-11-25T16:50:27 < karlp> so there's quite a few ways of doign a lot of things in freertos 2017-11-25T16:51:07 < kakimir> fat32 2017-11-25T16:51:09 < kakimir> sd cards 2017-11-25T16:51:14 < kakimir> netwroking 2017-11-25T16:51:29 < karlp> well, most of that you have to pay extra for 2017-11-25T16:51:47 < kakimir> what stops using lwip 2017-11-25T16:53:50 < invzim> allright, screw you cube - bug where generated code only set #samples on first rank in generated code 2017-11-25T16:57:18 < kakimir> no messing with cube with lpc 2017-11-25T16:57:34 < kakimir> just take examples offered 2017-11-25T16:58:04 < kakimir> import current chip hal to project 2017-11-25T16:58:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW5rdoqtTiQ?t=1631 2017-11-25T16:58:43 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2017-11-25T16:59:14 < kakimir> 41min video 2017-11-25T16:59:21 < Laurenceb_> Y O U 2017-11-25T16:59:36 < Laurenceb_> 27:15 2017-11-25T16:59:54 < Laurenceb_> someone needs to webm her 2017-11-25T17:00:05 < karlp> kakimir: nothing, I meant all the freertos components 2017-11-25T17:00:19 < Laurenceb_> *eyebrows* Y O U 2017-11-25T17:00:30 < kakimir> core functionality is what I need 2017-11-25T17:00:44 < Laurenceb_> what is kakimir building? Y O U 2017-11-25T17:00:50 < karlp> stahp man 2017-11-25T17:00:52 < kakimir> Y O U 2017-11-25T17:01:17 * Laurenceb_ builds a narrative around the community 2017-11-25T17:01:44 < kakimir> Y O U 2017-11-25T17:02:00 < Laurenceb_> tbh Trump needs to build a wall to keep the muricans confined 2017-11-25T17:03:41 < invzim> man, and enabling vbat adc also messes up vrefint reading 2017-11-25T17:04:07 < karlp> you really need to be careful with the sampling times for those internal channels. 2017-11-25T17:04:25 < invzim> it seems flaky 2017-11-25T17:04:30 < Laurenceb_> invzim: but stm32 is still better than atmel adc 2017-11-25T17:04:36 < Laurenceb_> *stm32 adc 2017-11-25T17:04:48 < invzim> first, the bug was in the C code - cube didn't respect the parameters set in gui 2017-11-25T17:04:59 < Laurenceb_> there is crosstalk from gpio to adc on F1 for some reason 2017-11-25T17:05:04 < invzim> second, if vbat sampling is enabled, vref int goes back to being flaky 2017-11-25T17:06:55 < kakimir> is your vbat in spec range? 2017-11-25T17:07:21 < kakimir> and a actual battery 2017-11-25T17:07:23 < kakimir> and cap 2017-11-25T17:07:52 < invzim> nah, just decoupled and fed from supply 2017-11-25T17:08:24 < kakimir> try with battery 2017-11-25T17:08:26 < invzim> something about a flag that needed to be enabled, and it being divided by 2 - fine, but why should reading it affect vrefint.. 2017-11-25T17:08:41 < invzim> I just want to read the actual supply voltage 2017-11-25T17:09:36 < karlp> you can't. you read vrefint, and you read vrefintcal to work out what vdda is. 2017-11-25T17:10:29 < invzim> yes 2017-11-25T17:10:47 < invzim> but I seem to remember it being internally regulated, clamped to max 3.3V or something 2017-11-25T17:11:10 < invzim> any - seems that vdda does what I need it to do 2017-11-25T17:11:19 < invzim> someone else can struggle with vbat 2017-11-25T17:11:22 < invzim> :) 2017-11-25T17:12:17 < invzim> reads up 4V at least, not going to push it any further 2017-11-25T17:19:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T17:26:57 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T17:27:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-25T17:44:45 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T17:48:43 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-25T17:49:26 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T17:58:41 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-25T18:14:10 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T18:15:31 < Rickta59> I just noticed a new thing in System Workbench. It has a checkbox for "Shareable ST-Link" debugging. I installed the host software and it seems to work great. It finds all the boards I have plugged in and I can easily select which one I want to use. 2017-11-25T18:16:25 < Rickta59> It talks about providing multiple application access to the stlink device. It mentions SWV access. Has anyone seen this software and is there another host application that lets me view the SWV data? 2017-11-25T18:16:54 < Rickta59> I've searched all over the st site but not seen anything that seems like it will work with this 2017-11-25T18:17:42 < Rickta59> https://my.st.com/content/my_st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm32-software-development-tools/stm32-performance-and-debuggers/st-link-server.html that is the software for the st-link server 2017-11-25T18:26:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T18:28:56 < karlp> there's quite a few host tools that can do things with swv, question is what you want to do with the data. 2017-11-25T18:29:19 < Rickta59> i was specifically looking for things that work with this tool 2017-11-25T18:29:48 < Rickta59> getting swo output would be nice from the stlink 2017-11-25T18:31:01 < karlp> that's been possible for at least a couple of years now :) 2017-11-25T18:31:07 < Rickta59> with an stlink? 2017-11-25T18:31:11 < karlp> yes 2017-11-25T18:31:15 < Rickta59> ok ... didn't know that 2017-11-25T18:31:24 < karlp> even the windows stlink utility has had swv viewe pane for a couple of years now 2017-11-25T18:31:31 < Rickta59> what about linux? 2017-11-25T18:31:41 < Rickta59> it is something in openocd? 2017-11-25T18:31:49 < karlp> openocd has been able to capture swo from the stlink to a binary file, various tools can parse it in various ways. 2017-11-25T18:31:57 < Rickta59> k 2017-11-25T18:31:59 < Rickta59> thanks 2017-11-25T18:32:16 < karlp> orbuculum is one that is kinda new and cute and acts as a mirror for it, so you can plug in multiple consumers, 2017-11-25T18:32:45 < karlp> swodec is another, there's one in openocd/contrib dir, btu it's not as robust, 2017-11-25T18:32:54 < Rickta59> https://github.com/mubes/orbuculum this thing? 2017-11-25T18:33:02 < karlp> yeah, I've been using that a bit recently. 2017-11-25T18:33:24 < karlp> add line like "tpiu config internal swo.dump.log uart off 32000000 2017-11-25T18:33:28 < karlp> " to your openocd.cfg 2017-11-25T18:33:31 < Rickta59> ok thanks 2017-11-25T18:33:38 < karlp> then orbuculum -f swo.dump.log 2017-11-25T18:34:02 < karlp> then you can use the orb tools, like "orbcat -c 0,%c" to start printing out channel 0 formatted as characters for instance. 2017-11-25T18:34:41 < karlp> or, turn on dwt_pc_sampling with this: http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/trace-helpers.cfg 2017-11-25T18:34:52 < karlp> and then you can use "orbtop blah.elf" 2017-11-25T18:35:19 < Rickta59> nice 2017-11-25T18:35:26 < karlp> that mubes blog dude has some more examples, 2017-11-25T18:36:43 < karlp> https://asciinema.org/a/Qf9rJtGtDJqDEKfKVpK2angkj 2017-11-25T18:37:05 < karlp> the "nc -k 9999" bit there isn't needed anymore, mubes fixed it for me to follow the file properly 2017-11-25T18:37:47 < Rickta59> orbtop is a function profile thing? 2017-11-25T18:38:13 < karlp> dwt can put pc samples out on the SWO pin, 2017-11-25T18:38:32 < karlp> orbtop takes pc samples and an elf and makes a pseudo top thing showing which samples are hitting the most, 2017-11-25T18:38:37 < karlp> (watch the video I linked) 2017-11-25T18:38:55 < Rickta59> * heh .. didn't realize that was a video 2017-11-25T18:39:43 < karlp> but yeah, the setup's easier now, mbes made it follow file properly, inthatatemo I was faking out opeocd+stlink-> file o look like a segger jlink server 2017-11-25T18:39:49 < Rickta59> really nice 2017-11-25T18:41:04 < Rickta59> thanks great stuff 2017-11-25T18:41:14 < karlp> yeah, just not well known realy unfortunately. 2017-11-25T18:42:30 < Rickta59> heh .. and here i am toggling pins in the routines i want to measure 2017-11-25T18:44:23 < karlp> heh, yeah, stop 2017-11-25T18:44:44 < karlp> at the very least, you can do things like itm_write(timing_channel, DWT_CYCCNT) 2017-11-25T18:45:09 < karlp> you can actually get DWT to insert timestamps on events, but I've not figured out how to make that happen easily yet, 2017-11-25T18:45:48 < karlp> so I still do kinda lame, "before = DWT_CYCCNT; do_stuff(); itm_write(TIMING_TASK_A, DWT_CYCCNT - before);" 2017-11-25T18:46:02 < karlp> but that's "easy" to do, and pretty low intrusion 2017-11-25T18:46:54 < Rickta59> yeah in the past I've just put start stop captures of CYCCNT and use the debugger to look at the difference 2017-11-25T18:47:09 < karlp> when I get more cleverer, then you make dwt add timestamps, and just do itm_write(TIMING, TASK_ID|TASK_ENTER) and itm_write(TIMING, TASKID|TASK_EXIT) but that'slater... 2017-11-25T18:47:23 < karlp> getting those timings streaming out of swo is much nicer 2017-11-25T18:47:28 < karlp> then you can even start to plot them :) 2017-11-25T18:47:32 < Rickta59> absolutely 2017-11-25T18:47:38 < Rickta59> thanks 2017-11-25T18:48:39 < Rickta59> so I guess that is why my interest was piqued when I saw that st was supporting something new 2017-11-25T18:49:04 < karlp> yeah, st thing looks kinda handy still, 2017-11-25T18:49:30 < karlp> very definitely setup so that people can get to the trace data without having to be the debug owner I'd imagine 2017-11-25T18:50:06 < Rickta59> i couldn't find anything that describes the protocol they are using on port 7184 2017-11-25T18:53:35 < karlp> might just be expecting the raw usb commands, just over tcp isntead of usb? 2017-11-25T18:53:45 < karlp> but yeah, not very clear it is it. 2017-11-25T18:54:02 < Rickta59> maybe the other features are in the pipeline 2017-11-25T18:54:26 < Rickta59> it does come with windows, os/x and linux exes 2017-11-25T18:54:37 < Rickta59> os/x kind os suprised me from st 2017-11-25T18:56:10 < karlp> nah, once you decide you'll do cross platform, it just happens for all three automatically. 2017-11-25T18:56:19 < karlp> osx/linux are close enough if you take care what apis you use. 2017-11-25T18:57:07 < Rickta59> i thought usb support on os/x was a pain? 2017-11-25T18:57:27 < Rickta59> * or at least keeping it working across all the different os/x versions 2017-11-25T19:04:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-25T19:06:24 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T19:34:44 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-25T19:36:29 < kakimir> what if I need faster switching between tasks than tick? 2017-11-25T19:36:53 < kakimir> or that tick doesn't have enought resolution for it 2017-11-25T19:37:06 < kakimir> I utilize manually a timer? 2017-11-25T19:37:30 < kakimir> ISR then sets some shiet and yeilds? 2017-11-25T19:38:14 < kakimir> or is there a infrastructure for timers other than tick in freertos? 2017-11-25T19:39:03 < karlp> if you think you need fsater switching, you should consider what you're trying to do 2017-11-25T19:40:58 < kakimir> let's say some sensor read requires quite fast operations 2017-11-25T19:41:02 < kakimir> and quite accurate 2017-11-25T19:41:38 < kakimir> but it's not sensible to 1) block while it happens 2) bring tick down too much 2017-11-25T19:41:53 < karlp> you can have your own interrupts that are higher priority than freertos, there's notes that explain how to have you rown code besdie it. 2017-11-25T19:42:11 < karlp> if it's so strict, surely you're blockign everything else while doing it anway? 2017-11-25T19:42:21 < kakimir> well 2017-11-25T19:42:23 < kakimir> most of time 2017-11-25T19:42:51 < kakimir> if we concider all the overheads it would have if it was brought back to rtos tasking 2017-11-25T19:44:26 < kakimir> or if not most of the time - notable time 2017-11-25T19:46:10 < kakimir> and it wouldn't probably be highest priority task 2017-11-25T19:46:21 < kakimir> if there was some real time power control running 2017-11-25T19:46:48 < kakimir> 1ms or so blocking would be clear glitch 2017-11-25T19:47:30 < kakimir> should real time power control loops be using ticks? 2017-11-25T19:49:05 < kakimir> I bet not 2017-11-25T19:49:30 < kakimir> ticks are more like for general interfacing and such 2017-11-25T19:52:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-25T19:53:57 < DelvingDeeper> Just bricked my sdcard >.< 2017-11-25T19:55:40 < Laurenceb_> The HSI48 oscillator is fine-tuned in steps of 1% (around 67 2017-11-25T19:55:44 < Laurenceb_> stupid ST 2017-11-25T19:55:50 < Laurenceb_> 0.14% 2017-11-25T20:03:36 < DelvingDeeper> Can I plz ask someone a question about the SDcard bsp_driver_sd.c ? 2017-11-25T20:04:07 < kakimir> don't ask to ask 2017-11-25T20:04:21 < kakimir> just ask 2017-11-25T20:05:52 < DelvingDeeper> ok...so I seem to pass every initialize phase( BSP_SD_Init(void)) although reading and writing always fails.. it seems that the hsd2.SdCard.BlockSize; and every other hsd2.SDCard variable remains zero, should I in some way send a command to the sdcard to retrieve these? 2017-11-25T20:06:34 < DelvingDeeper> Im using one bit sdio mode and these are how my lines look after BSP_SD_Init(void) 2017-11-25T20:09:23 < DelvingDeeper> uploading to imgur.. 2017-11-25T20:11:12 < DelvingDeeper> CLK: https://imgur.com/a/yEcjC 2017-11-25T20:12:14 < DelvingDeeper> data: https://imgur.com/SQ7FheH 2017-11-25T20:13:04 < DelvingDeeper> Command:https://imgur.com/8TW2q5m this was an attempted f_mount 2017-11-25T20:15:12 < DelvingDeeper> The read and write return the errors HAL_ERROR as they can't pass https://pastebin.com/HzTXDPah 2017-11-25T20:16:26 < DelvingDeeper> because hsd->SdCard.LogBlockNbr always returns 0 2017-11-25T20:24:12 -!- Amun_Ra [~amun-ra@retro.rocks] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T20:26:47 < Laurenceb_> no data :P 2017-11-25T20:27:49 < DelvingDeeper> Laurenceb: no data? 2017-11-25T20:35:46 < Laurenceb_> well I see logic 1 all the time 2017-11-25T20:37:28 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f39f8317fb/60050.jpg 2017-11-25T20:38:02 < Laurenceb_> >suppress the voice of women by subjecting them to facts 2017-11-25T20:40:40 < Cracki> hatefacts 2017-11-25T20:41:02 < Cracki> "control variables" are patriarchy 2017-11-25T20:50:14 < kakimir> does freertos throw compile time errors? 2017-11-25T20:50:23 < DelvingDeeper> fuck HAL >.< 2017-11-25T20:50:28 < kakimir> if you place function where it should not be? 2017-11-25T20:56:22 < Cracki> "where"? 2017-11-25T20:56:28 < qyx> who was doing those modbus things, karlp? 2017-11-25T20:57:45 < karlp> me 2017-11-25T20:58:45 < kakimir> does freertos have run time errors? 2017-11-25T20:59:44 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-25T21:01:12 < qyx> karlp: do you use isolated transceivers and power? 2017-11-25T21:01:25 < qyx> any suggestions for low power designs? 2017-11-25T21:02:01 < karlp> https://imgur.com/a/ZNilB 2017-11-25T21:02:18 < karlp> we don't no, 2017-11-25T21:02:26 < qyx> I managed to get 2.7mA with F042 and CAN running, nonisolated though 2017-11-25T21:03:09 < BrainDamage> karlp: alphabetical 2017-11-25T21:03:28 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: why are you using freertos 2017-11-25T21:03:34 < Laurenceb_> use chibios already 2017-11-25T21:04:34 < kakimir> nope Laurenceb_ 2017-11-25T21:04:35 < karlp> BrainDamage: not so bad, (answer at the bottom of the pic) 2017-11-25T21:04:50 < karlp> analog forums thing, name and email and company to register, 2017-11-25T21:05:07 < karlp> then post registration, need a "username" for forums, _and_ all of a sudden, a telephone number! 2017-11-25T21:05:37 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-25T21:12:11 < Cracki> kakimir, why do you ask those questions? 2017-11-25T21:17:05 < karlp> obvs, they're just starting using freertos 2017-11-25T21:20:07 < kakimir> not yet starting 2017-11-25T21:20:36 < kakimir> gathering some courage to mess up my project space with freertos 2017-11-25T21:20:45 < kakimir> and no leelominai to fix it 2017-11-25T21:24:02 < Laurenceb_> no grrrls on the internets 2017-11-25T21:24:45 < Laurenceb_> https://pics.me.me/rule-30-there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet-18644391.png 2017-11-25T21:29:04 < kakimir> leelominai was good fixer 2017-11-25T21:31:50 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-25T21:34:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-25T21:36:14 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T21:37:22 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@94.234.51.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-25T21:41:30 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-25T21:56:56 < Steffanx> You cant get over leeloo can you kakimir? You are the only one mentioning her often, lately. 2017-11-25T22:02:46 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T22:03:47 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-25T22:05:10 < Steffanx> she aint dead, better query her 2017-11-25T22:05:33 < kakimir> nah 2017-11-25T22:25:50 < Cracki> well freertos is a bunch of data structures and api calls 2017-11-25T22:26:11 < Cracki> those calls can have return codes, so runtime errors can happen, if you use those 2017-11-25T22:26:34 < Cracki> newest freertos can use lots of static allocations, so you know at compiletime how much memory you need 2017-11-25T22:27:05 < Cracki> as for "compile time errors", it's C code, the compiler will treat it as such 2017-11-25T22:28:04 < Steffanx> Yeah, i like how they did that. The static memory allocation. 2017-11-25T22:28:14 < Steffanx> Finally. 2017-11-25T22:33:45 < Cracki> pretty obvious really. just split the existing implicit heap allocation out of the functions 2017-11-25T22:34:01 < Cracki> quess they just needed a push 2017-11-25T22:34:21 < Steffanx> i didnt mean how, more like: finally they did it. :P 2017-11-25T22:35:11 < Steffanx> Took only up to version 9 or so? 2017-11-25T22:39:34 < karlp> I imagine there's a _lot_ of inertia from old platforms there too 2017-11-25T22:41:31 < Cracki> i saw at least beginnings of it in 8.x already 2017-11-25T22:42:19 < Cracki> they do seem to be on the bsd side of bsd/linux agility/fashion sense 2017-11-25T22:44:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T22:56:15 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T22:57:51 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-25T23:03:07 < kakimir> I try to figure how rom based uart get line works 2017-11-25T23:03:40 < kakimir> there is no interrupt.. oh callback function 2017-11-25T23:05:25 < Cracki> rom based? huh? 2017-11-25T23:05:37 < Cracki> uart get line? 2017-11-25T23:06:18 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-25T23:06:37 < kakimir> actually one of parameters was callback function 2017-11-25T23:06:40 < Cracki> wat 2017-11-25T23:06:45 < Cracki> give some context please 2017-11-25T23:06:55 < kakimir> you don't know rom based uart functionality? 2017-11-25T23:07:40 < kakimir> it just does everything in this magic bax of rom based binary 2017-11-25T23:07:40 < Cracki> what does ROM have to do with uarts? 2017-11-25T23:07:59 < kakimir> it might have the driver 2017-11-25T23:09:06 < Cracki> is that stm32? 2017-11-25T23:09:14 < Cracki> or itanium? 2017-11-25T23:09:57 < kakimir> just a lpc 2017-11-25T23:14:05 < Cracki> ah, those beasts have tons of ROM code that's supposed to be used like an API, eh? 2017-11-25T23:14:20 < Cracki> that'll be documented in some data sheet. do you have that? 2017-11-25T23:16:01 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-25T23:16:47 < DelvingDeeper> For some fkn reason im getting an hsd2.ErrorCode = SDMMC_ERROR_BUSY although the hsd2.State = HAL_SD_STATE_READY; >.< 2017-11-25T23:25:17 < invzim> amyone used the ssd1306 oled display and have a lib that's not terrible? 2017-11-25T23:28:20 < markus-k> invzim: I'm currently building my own lib, it's not that hard 2017-11-25T23:29:10 < markus-k> if darn dma interrupt would fire.. 2017-11-25T23:30:16 < DelvingDeeper> markus-k: what Id give to feel comfortable enough to write my own lib 2017-11-25T23:33:40 < markus-k> the ssd1306 is a rather simple chip to write a lib for I'd say, especially if you don't want to support every configuration possible but just what you need 2017-11-25T23:34:40 < markus-k> the datasheet isn't that great, but after reading 5 times and trying you get the idea how it works 2017-11-25T23:34:47 < DelvingDeeper> defs something I want to try to do once I feel comfortable with programming the registers 2017-11-25T23:36:22 < markus-k> I'm doing it as a learning project for the stm32 fam too 2017-11-25T23:39:44 < invzim> I just want something that works :) 2017-11-25T23:40:37 < invzim> markus-k: something terrible with the libs you tried, or just want to roll your own? 2017-11-25T23:41:09 < DelvingDeeper> stm's hal libs seem super shitty 2017-11-25T23:41:33 < markus-k> invzim: Haven't tried any libs, just as a learning project 2017-11-25T23:42:27 < markus-k> DelvingDeeper: have a look a libopencm3 if thats an option for you, it's not complete for every stm32 device yet, but I much prefer it over the HAL libs 2017-11-25T23:43:22 < markus-k> DelvingDeeper: The documentation is at most medium though, needs some plowing through examples and header files.. 2017-11-25T23:44:03 < DelvingDeeper> markus-k: defs something I'll have a look at! thanks 2017-11-25T23:48:24 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-25T23:52:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-25T23:52:43 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun Nov 26 2017 2017-11-26T00:01:14 < DelvingDeeper> My sd initalize passes, but any read and write fails, anyone here that I can ask a sdcard question? 2017-11-26T00:22:48 < kakimir> uart_put_line(...) could be used for non blocking read operations, but I could only use it for one-byte-"lines" as I do not know how long the blocks to be received are and there obviously is no way to stop a line read operation in a "clean" manner before the line buffer is full or an end condition is fulfilled. 2017-11-26T00:23:00 < kakimir> shit 2017-11-26T00:24:24 < kakimir> that is retarded 2017-11-26T00:25:08 < kakimir> it's actually blocking until whole buffer is full 2017-11-26T00:27:13 < kakimir> you need to store context manually at least 2017-11-26T00:27:30 < kakimir> then restore it when interrupt is called 2017-11-26T00:27:50 < kakimir> they say nothing in documentation 2017-11-26T00:28:02 < kakimir> it's just function prototypes and good luck 2017-11-26T00:29:36 < kakimir> "All this renders the ROM driver routines unattractive for my special purpose." 2017-11-26T00:46:35 -!- noonien [uid162445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dlbshitslsysxiia] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T01:17:01 < kakimir> do any new or old debuggers that properly work with SWO? 2017-11-26T01:17:06 < kakimir> and at high rates too 2017-11-26T01:27:16 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-26T01:37:26 < dongs> no 2017-11-26T01:37:37 < dongs> only proper shit works at high rate with SWO 2017-11-26T01:42:30 < DelvingDeeper> Anyone familiar with this function SD_PowerON(hsd)? 2017-11-26T01:42:50 < DelvingDeeper> in the init for sd cards 2017-11-26T01:43:23 < dongs> have you actually bothered looking at its code? 2017-11-26T01:43:53 < dongs> DelvingDeeper: SD code in stdperiph and in HAL works, more or less. 2017-11-26T01:44:00 < dongs> if something isn't working, the problem is on your side 2017-11-26T01:46:11 < DelvingDeeper> dongs: I have, it seems to pass into a section and then exits to a hard fault. Just not sure what its checking. There does seem to be a lot of reported issues with the SD_PowerOn function and I've asked on stmcommunity, one of the mods replied and said there is multiple issues that their sorting out. Just trying to figure out why its hitting a hardfault. 2017-11-26T01:48:07 < DelvingDeeper> The section of code is commented with " /* Send ACMD41 SD_APP_OP_COND with Argument 0x80100000 */" and I honestly don't know wtf that means 2017-11-26T01:48:08 < dongs> so step t hrough it 2017-11-26T01:48:09 < dongs> until it hardfaults 2017-11-26T01:48:57 < DelvingDeeper> I did, I'll see if there's any documentations on what commands this function sends to the sdcard. It bums out to a hardfault right after the command is sent 2017-11-26T01:49:38 < dongs> step into sendign the command then? 2017-11-26T01:52:32 < dongs> or actually look at the registers / stack trace in ahrdfault and see what caused it 2017-11-26T01:54:33 < DelvingDeeper> Dongs: I have checked the SDMMC registers but can't see anything of value, It resets everything to 0x0. Not sure what you mean by stack trace.. Will google quick, thanks for the help! Sorry if I've been a bit of a bother with spamming the chat with sdmmc problems, just really struggling 2017-11-26T01:59:49 < dongs> is SD peripheral even powered on 2017-11-26T01:59:54 < dongs> if it "resets everything to zero" 2017-11-26T02:00:08 < dongs> reading back zeros from peripheral = its not turned on 2017-11-26T02:03:48 < invzim> goodtimes, got text on the ssd oled 2017-11-26T02:03:55 < dongs> the i2c way>? 2017-11-26T02:03:57 < invzim> spi 2017-11-26T02:04:02 < dongs> cool 2017-11-26T02:04:06 < dongs> i forgot how i hooked mine up 2017-11-26T02:04:26 < invzim> seems most of the libs take pride in building all kinds of stuff around core functionality 2017-11-26T02:04:28 < dongs> looks like I2C 2017-11-26T02:04:31 < invzim> I don't need circles etc 2017-11-26T02:04:31 < dongs> and *software* i2c at that 2017-11-26T02:04:32 < dongs> lole 2017-11-26T02:05:01 < DelvingDeeper> dongs: its on and I can see the cmds being sent as well as the clock line active at 400 kHz via an oscilloscope, but it seems to fail in trying to identify the cards parameters, i.e operating voltage, type of card etc. 2017-11-26T02:05:03 < invzim> just took something off github that looked the most simple and substituted hardware stuff with known good hal functions 2017-11-26T02:05:21 < dongs> i donno where i stole my code from, i only implemented draw text and dump bitmap to screen 2017-11-26T02:05:24 < dongs> which is all i need anyway 2017-11-26T02:05:30 < invzim> yup 2017-11-26T02:05:32 < dongs> dump bitmap -> refresh or whaever 2017-11-26T02:05:52 < invzim> going to clean up un-needed stuff laters 2017-11-26T02:06:14 < invzim> but man, first compile and it worked - how often does that happen :) 2017-11-26T02:06:42 < DelvingDeeper> invzim: Never :) 2017-11-26T02:06:44 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/qnLPX6J.jpg 2017-11-26T02:07:10 < dongs> using for standalone STM32 uart programmer 2017-11-26T02:09:24 < invzim> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPbqLnBIQVh4x01x37Uikajys0VkA1uvCc5Py_lNBGZ12rsPQIfsZ9Wxjha2jZk5g/photo/AF1QipNYR_wjI8GK5jwRtyf1ATuTig2J3sc6QLcOcInS?key=NDBDMEtqYl9yd0NCMXZpSE1OOFhJUzFvSTdfSHZB 2017-11-26T02:10:52 < invzim> you got one without the pcb.. That HAS to be hand-soldered, no? 2017-11-26T02:11:21 < aandrew> lol shitty flasher v1 2017-11-26T02:11:51 < aandrew> wtf is an jammifier? 2017-11-26T02:12:09 < invzim> it takes a jvs arcade cabinet and jammfies it :) 2017-11-26T02:12:27 < invzim> or jvs2jamma, but people get confused with that name 2017-11-26T02:12:27 < aandrew> what is jammification? 2017-11-26T02:12:40 < invzim> jamma arcade pcb in a jvs cab 2017-11-26T02:12:45 < aandrew> aha 2017-11-26T02:13:33 < aandrew> oh so you got roms for jamma boxes and that drives the bus on jvs systems to play them? is that the idea? 2017-11-26T02:13:47 < invzim> it'shttp://i.imgur.com/saEldp5.jpg 2017-11-26T02:13:51 < invzim> http://i.imgur.com/saEldp5.jpg 2017-11-26T02:14:10 < invzim> random image, jvs cabinet - beautifully over-engineered by Sega, but can't use "normal" older arcade pcb's 2017-11-26T02:14:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T02:15:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3fb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T02:15:59 < invzim> jamma game: http://www.crazykong.com/pcbs/A%20-%20F/1943.pcb.jpg 2017-11-26T02:16:26 < invzim> edge connector is audio, video and controls 2017-11-26T02:16:46 < invzim> and power 2017-11-26T02:29:35 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T02:30:42 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T02:38:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-26T02:43:40 < dongs> invzim: yes pcb-less version, so i can actualyl solder it in place 2017-11-26T02:43:54 < dongs> its not hard, ive made around 20 and havent fucked up a single one soldering it 2017-11-26T02:44:06 < dongs> with hotbar it should be instant, im just using regular narrrow iron 2017-11-26T02:46:50 < invzim> yeah, but not something you could easily outsource for volume I guess 2017-11-26T02:46:59 < invzim> as in, assembly 2017-11-26T02:47:21 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-3fb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T02:47:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3fb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-26T02:58:00 < dongs> invzim: how do you think tehy assemble the ones on PCB 2017-11-26T02:58:05 < dongs> a single hotbar press probly does it 2017-11-26T03:01:11 * invzim googles hotbar press 2017-11-26T03:02:16 < invzim> mm 2017-11-26T03:02:47 < dongs> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1_wF3IpXXXXXXXVXXq6xXFXXXj/Electric-Soldering-Iron-For-Hot-Embossing-Stamping-For-Leather-Printing-LOGO-Embosser-Diy-Figure-Without-Mould.jpg 2017-11-26T03:03:02 < dongs> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sSeU82jxc-0/maxresdefault.jpg 2017-11-26T03:03:03 < dongs> etc 2017-11-26T03:03:11 -!- DelvingDeeper [92e84db2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.232.77.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-26T03:03:26 < dongs> https://fancort.com/img/New_Linear_Machine_07_Oct_2012.jpg 2017-11-26T03:03:27 < dongs> a bit fancier 2017-11-26T03:03:55 < invzim> how do you bond it to the pcb, glue? 2017-11-26T03:05:27 < dongs> me? I just hold it, there, i'm sure there's a jig that keeps the assembly in place 2017-11-26T03:05:32 < invzim> for my board, I think the modules are path of least resistance 2017-11-26T03:05:35 < dongs> the oled screen has pegs 2017-11-26T03:05:38 < dongs> the flex pcb 2017-11-26T03:05:40 < dongs> er peg holes 2017-11-26T03:05:50 < dongs> so a jig is probably made that pokes through pcb/flexpcb to keep it aligned 2017-11-26T03:06:54 < invzim> if they made them with fpc I MAY have considered it, this is just super low volume hobby stuff for me anyway 2017-11-26T03:07:43 < dongs> what do you mean? you can buy raw screens with flexpcb tail, which is wrapped around the "base" pcb in the thing you have 2017-11-26T03:07:46 < dongs> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10wkzIpXXXXcYXVXXq6xXFXXXa/NoEnName-Null-Raspberry-Pi-0-96-inch-White-OLED-Display-Screen-Module-SSD1306-Drive-IC-SPI.jpg 2017-11-26T03:08:16 < dongs> thats the kind i got, just the raw panel w/flex, it needs half a dozen caps on the carrier board to be usable 2017-11-26T03:11:54 < invzim> cheaper and easier for me to just buy the modules :) ali prices seem to be about the same with or without pcb 2017-11-26T03:12:21 < invzim> why am I watching The Post Apocalyptic Inventor 2017-11-26T03:14:52 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-26T03:14:55 < dongs> no doubt 2017-11-26T03:15:09 < dongs> i bought these so fucking long ago until i finally found a use for htem 2017-11-26T03:15:16 < dongs> wiht shittyflasher 2017-11-26T03:30:47 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-3fb8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-26T03:34:53 -!- enh [~enhering@177.207.86.59.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [] 2017-11-26T03:35:01 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T03:35:33 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-26T03:38:20 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T03:52:00 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-26T03:54:04 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T04:05:34 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-26T04:05:49 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T04:20:00 < aandrew> heh I have a ton of those bare oleds 2017-11-26T04:20:10 < aandrew> well like 50 for an old project 2017-11-26T04:20:41 < aandrew> not the shitty ones with that orange colour across the top though, they're all white or blue 2017-11-26T04:36:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T05:00:26 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T05:00:27 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2017-11-26T05:06:08 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T05:07:02 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-26T05:11:42 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-26T05:11:49 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T05:22:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T05:23:10 -!- qwebirc9433 [563d0eba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.61.14.186] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T05:24:44 < qwebirc9433> Hey everybody! Simple q: I connected yelow led to stm32f3 pin and I see led is not fully turned on - I used 48ohm resistor. scope snapshot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/sABIKH2uhBFyqKti1 - what i am doing wrong? 2017-11-26T05:25:31 < qwebirc9433> is it because stm32 cannot drive this led or why ? 2017-11-26T05:28:15 < Cracki> how much current does it need? 2017-11-26T05:28:32 < Cracki> how much current does the data sheet of your stm32f3 say the pin can source/sink? 2017-11-26T05:28:46 < Cracki> it's likely that you overload your pin 2017-11-26T05:29:03 < dongs> if its a standard 0805 or wahtever led theres no problem 2017-11-26T05:29:08 < Cracki> those 2.2 volts look ok for an LED 2017-11-26T05:29:12 < dongs> 38R is on the low side for a led but wahtever 2017-11-26T05:29:19 < dongs> its gonna be bright 2017-11-26T05:29:24 < Cracki> the stm32 might not be able to source/sink the current 2017-11-26T05:29:37 < Cracki> who says it's a 0805 led? 2017-11-26T05:29:56 < Cracki> ah _if_ right 2017-11-26T05:30:25 < Cracki> qwebirc9433, show the circuit 2017-11-26T05:31:19 < dongs> ya, if 2017-11-26T05:31:23 < Cracki> got some datasheet here, says +- 25 mA 2017-11-26T05:31:31 < Cracki> and +-80 total 2017-11-26T05:31:33 < dongs> i mean if he hooks up a 1W yellow led to gpio pin then ya 2017-11-26T05:31:33 < Cracki> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/f2/1f/e1/41/ef/59/4d/50/DM00058181.pdf/files/DM00058181.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00058181.pdf 2017-11-26T05:31:38 < qwebirc9433> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6FPBQvJ3LdGGUc7I2 2017-11-26T05:31:45 < Laurenceb_> STEAM 2017-11-26T05:32:00 < qwebirc9433> there is 48Ohm resistor in front of it 2017-11-26T05:32:03 < Cracki> qwebirc9433, what led do you use 2017-11-26T05:32:07 < qwebirc9433> yellow 2017-11-26T05:32:08 < dongs> is it 2.2K or 38R 2017-11-26T05:32:24 < Cracki> what is the voltage right at the pin of the stm32? 2017-11-26T05:32:30 < qwebirc9433> 47 Ohm sorry.... 2017-11-26T05:32:57 < dongs> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_270869_1.jpg here's a yellow led 2017-11-26T05:33:22 < qwebirc9433> it is 3V, than drops like I showed on picture... 2017-11-26T05:33:47 < Cracki> 3.3 or 3.0? 2017-11-26T05:34:10 < dongs> anywa,y i prefer sinking leds with MCUs 2017-11-26T05:34:13 < dongs> rather than sourcing 2017-11-26T05:34:18 < Cracki> can you measure the current through that? 2017-11-26T05:35:07 < qwebirc9433> I can measure voltage in front of led and after led 2017-11-26T05:35:09 < Laurenceb_> STEAM: STm32, Enemas, Autism, and Masturbation 2017-11-26T05:35:13 < Laurenceb_> amirite? 2017-11-26T05:35:34 < Laurenceb_> we need moar STEAM educators in society 2017-11-26T05:35:52 < Cracki> important is the current on that pin 2017-11-26T05:35:56 < qwebirc9433> what is max current it can drive? 2017-11-26T05:36:04 < qwebirc9433> stm32f3' 2017-11-26T05:36:04 < Cracki> stem+arts is cancer 2017-11-26T05:36:13 < Cracki> qwebirc9433, max current might be 25 mA 2017-11-26T05:36:25 < Cracki> table 22 http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/f2/1f/e1/41/ef/59/4d/50/DM00058181.pdf/files/DM00058181.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00058181.pdf 2017-11-26T05:36:39 < Cracki> **absolute maximum ratings** 2017-11-26T05:36:39 < qwebirc9433> it is 2V in front of led 2017-11-26T05:36:46 < Cracki> don't care about the voltage 2017-11-26T05:36:50 < Cracki> current is important 2017-11-26T05:36:57 < Cracki> measure voltage across the resistor plz 2017-11-26T05:37:26 < Cracki> I = U / R 2017-11-26T05:38:09 < englishman> lol you're not going to answer any important questions are you qwebirc9433 2017-11-26T05:38:19 < qwebirc9433> 1V on 47 ohm resistor... 2017-11-26T05:38:34 < Cracki> that's 21.3 mA 2017-11-26T05:38:39 < Cracki> that's *close* to the max rating 2017-11-26T05:38:44 < Cracki> so I'd say you're torturing the pin 2017-11-26T05:38:52 < dongs> Cracki: i donno man 2017-11-26T05:39:01 < dongs> im driving 11 pink leds from F0 gpio 2017-11-26T05:39:03 < dongs> wiht 33R 2017-11-26T05:39:07 < Cracki> must be good leds 2017-11-26T05:39:10 < dongs> it seems to do just fine 2017-11-26T05:39:14 < dongs> well, they're amazing cuz theyre pink 2017-11-26T05:39:15 < Cracki> I know my boss uses smd leds that are quite efficient 2017-11-26T05:39:23 < Cracki> qwebirc9433, what kinda led is that? 2017-11-26T05:39:28 < qwebirc9433> I have smd led - but ellow 2017-11-26T05:39:32 < qwebirc9433> yellow 2017-11-26T05:39:59 < qwebirc9433> hmm... sory dont have spec - I just picked it up from drawer... 2017-11-26T05:40:07 < dongs> what hte fuck does it look ilke 2017-11-26T05:40:10 < Cracki> well it won't get brighter anyway because beyond 25 mA, you're killing the stm32 2017-11-26T05:40:10 < dongs> a 5mm round led? 2017-11-26T05:40:33 < qwebirc9433> now its rectangular 2017-11-26T05:40:42 < Cracki> >changes shape 2017-11-26T05:40:45 < dongs> "now"? 2017-11-26T05:40:50 < dongs> you filed it off? 2017-11-26T05:40:53 < Cracki> w = , 2017-11-26T05:41:24 < Cracki> might be one of those bright thingies with larger surface 2017-11-26T05:41:32 < Cracki> not the normal "point light sources" 2017-11-26T05:41:34 < Cracki> but who knows 2017-11-26T05:41:37 < dongs> i recall some project where i had to file leds 2017-11-26T05:41:39 < qwebirc9433> will make video for you guys... :) 2017-11-26T05:41:40 < Cracki> qwebirc9433, post a picture of the led 2017-11-26T05:41:44 < dongs> because faggots didnt think of clearance 2017-11-26T05:41:45 < dongs> when making hte pcb 2017-11-26T05:41:58 < dongs> and 5mm round leds dont work together when pitch is like 4mm ebtween them 2017-11-26T05:42:01 < Cracki> filed an IR photodiode to make it flat for an ir uart dongle 2017-11-26T05:42:10 < qwebirc9433> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wzYnwXgU5ige9e5U2 2017-11-26T05:42:28 < Cracki> hah 2017-11-26T05:42:31 < Cracki> that led is huge 2017-11-26T05:42:37 < Cracki> with 20 mA it won't do much 2017-11-26T05:42:47 < Cracki> that's the best you'll get 2017-11-26T05:43:27 < Cracki> consider NOT driving that led directly from a GPIO pin. 2017-11-26T05:43:42 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-26T05:43:48 < Cracki> it'll be ok like this, but it's close to the max rating of the stm32 2017-11-26T05:44:12 < qwebirc9433> still dont know why voltage drops like so... 2017-11-26T05:44:23 < Cracki> because the pin can't source this much current 2017-11-26T05:44:53 < qwebirc9433> but 20ma is below max curr... 2017-11-26T05:44:53 < Cracki> or do you mean the voltage across the led? 2017-11-26T05:45:15 < Cracki> leds are supposed to have "stable" voltages around 2-3 volts 2017-11-26T05:45:20 < Cracki> depending on color and such 2017-11-26T05:45:20 < qwebirc9433> acros led is 2V 2017-11-26T05:45:31 < Cracki> and 2 volts across that led is probably right. 2017-11-26T05:45:34 < qwebirc9433> that can be seen from scope picture I posted 2017-11-26T05:45:50 < qwebirc9433> ok will put 100 Ohm... 2017-11-26T05:45:53 < Cracki> the remaining voltage goes across the resistor to limit the current 2017-11-26T05:45:59 < qwebirc9433> I gues it will be still bright enough 2017-11-26T05:46:26 < Cracki> 100 ohm is probably 10 mA then 2017-11-26T05:46:33 < Cracki> that's a good safe value 2017-11-26T05:49:03 < qwebirc9433> ugh.... no - its still the same... 2017-11-26T05:49:12 < qwebirc9433> something else is not right... 2017-11-26T05:50:52 < qwebirc9433> maybe because I initialized it as GPIO_MODE_OUTPUT_PP ? 2017-11-26T05:51:06 < qwebirc9433> should I put it to: GPIO_MODE_OUTPUT_OD 2017-11-26T05:51:11 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T05:53:49 < jadew> ffs... I was playing with those cypress USB ICs and their shit is so disorganized 2017-11-26T05:54:44 < jadew> some examples don't work, some ship with a binary that doesn't match the source code 2017-11-26T05:54:52 < jadew> it's a fucking mess 2017-11-26T05:55:13 < jadew> I wasted half a day trying to figure out why the fuck their provided binary doesn't work with my setup 2017-11-26T05:55:44 < jadew> turned out that shit was from a previous build, before they made some changes in the source code 2017-11-26T05:56:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-26T05:56:22 < jadew> important things that were mentioned in the app note as "this is what this example does" 2017-11-26T05:56:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T05:58:23 < Cracki> OD is open drain, that _could_ help, but then you'd have to put the gpio pin on the negative side of the led 2017-11-26T05:58:31 < Cracki> qwebirc9433, see above 2017-11-26T05:58:48 < qwebirc9433> ok 2017-11-26T05:58:53 < qwebirc9433> found mistake in my code... 2017-11-26T05:58:57 < qwebirc9433> sorry to bother... 2017-11-26T05:59:06 < dongs> what was it 2017-11-26T05:59:13 < Cracki> open drain tends to be able to sink more current, but it can't source current. also, the max limits still apply. 2017-11-26T05:59:16 < Cracki> yes, what was it 2017-11-26T05:59:28 < qwebirc9433> if ((int) ((float) HAL_GetTick() / 1000) % 2 == 0) HAL_GPIO_TogglePin(LED_GPIO_Port, LED_Pin); 2017-11-26T05:59:30 < qwebirc9433> :) 2017-11-26T05:59:35 < Cracki> yes that helps 2017-11-26T05:59:36 < dongs> ... 2017-11-26T05:59:43 < dongs> i don't even 2017-11-26T05:59:45 < Cracki> now twice as bright 2017-11-26T05:59:50 < qwebirc9433> it keeps togling pin when seconds are even :) 2017-11-26T05:59:52 < dongs> why teh fuck do you have it on PA8 if youre not gonna use a fucking timer to toggle it 2017-11-26T06:00:27 < qwebirc9433> :) it is easier to wire it that way 2017-11-26T06:00:40 < qwebirc9433> I added led just in latest version of my pcb :) 2017-11-26T06:00:44 < Cracki> this should have sometimes resulted in the led staying _on_ instead of _off_ for a second 2017-11-26T06:01:02 < Cracki> unless that code is executed exactly an even number of times 2017-11-26T06:01:58 < Cracki> IP is from slovenia 2017-11-26T06:02:03 < Cracki> interesting 2017-11-26T06:02:08 < qwebirc9433> no, it does exactly how it is programed - it togles it every loop... this is aprox 2uS as seen from scope picture :9 2017-11-26T06:02:10 < dongs> that "code" should have resulted in the "programmer" going straight to the oven 2017-11-26T06:02:54 < qwebirc9433> have mercy people... I layed out almost all my work and you are so... ... 2017-11-26T06:02:57 < Cracki> :P 2017-11-26T06:03:11 < Cracki> tbh I should have noticed the time base on the scope picture 2017-11-26T06:03:22 < qwebirc9433> anyway sorry to interrupt more clever topics... thanks ALL! 2017-11-26T06:03:26 < Cracki> penis 2017-11-26T06:03:34 < Cracki> :P 2017-11-26T06:03:38 < dongs> qwebirc9433: this channel is full of trolls 2017-11-26T06:03:43 < Cracki> are traps gay 2017-11-26T06:05:55 < dongs> anyway 2017-11-26T06:06:02 < dongs> qwebirc9433: enable TIM1_CH1 on PA8 and drive that led with that 2017-11-26T06:06:10 < dongs> why waste CPU time on PWM if you can do it for free wiht existing hardware 2017-11-26T06:07:06 < qwebirc9433> dongs: you are right! will take your comments into account thank you. 2017-11-26T06:09:17 < Cracki> not sure pwm was even intended... :P 2017-11-26T06:10:00 < qwebirc9433> no it wasnt :) 2017-11-26T06:11:06 < dongs> now you can pulse it like apple faggot 2017-11-26T06:11:08 < dongs> breathing led 2017-11-26T06:13:41 < qwebirc9433> has sombody worked with capacitive sense fdc2212 - i make it communicate ovevr i2c - but cannot get any measurements from it... 2017-11-26T06:14:06 < qwebirc9433> I read manufacturer_id OK thugh. 2017-11-26T06:31:30 < dongs> hm im banned from digikey again 2017-11-26T06:32:15 < aandrew> how'd you get unbanned? 2017-11-26T06:33:15 < dongs> it started working on tuesday, which i assumed was fixed by their itfags 2017-11-26T06:33:17 < dongs> now its banned again 2017-11-26T06:44:32 < Cracki> how'd you get banned? 2017-11-26T06:52:11 < dongs> dont know 2017-11-26T06:56:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T07:06:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-26T07:06:35 -!- Guest8917 [~quassel@p2003006B0B7D7E0002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-26T07:08:54 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@p2003006B0B7D7E0002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T07:09:05 -!- TheSeven is now known as Guest27088 2017-11-26T07:27:05 < jadew> fucking cypress... now I can't compile their fucking examples because keil has a code limit and I have to buy that 2017-11-26T07:27:13 < dongs> what 2017-11-26T07:27:17 < dongs> psuck? 2017-11-26T07:27:25 < jadew> what's that? 2017-11-26T07:27:46 < dongs> PSOC? i donno 2017-11-26T07:27:50 < dongs> what the fuck are you compiling 2017-11-26T07:27:55 < dongs> do they make any M3/M4? 2017-11-26T07:28:01 < dongs> if its M0, just use free stm32 f0 keil 2017-11-26T07:28:03 < dongs> it will build for any M0 2017-11-26T07:28:13 < jadew> no, it's an 8051 2017-11-26T07:28:16 < dongs> oh lmao 2017-11-26T07:28:18 < dongs> fuck off 2017-11-26T07:28:23 < jadew> the USB ICs 2017-11-26T07:28:29 < dongs> oh, FX2? 2017-11-26T07:28:33 < dongs> just use SDCC liek a fucking pleb 2017-11-26T07:28:35 < jadew> yeah 2017-11-26T07:29:29 < jadew> what about the libraries? I don't think it will work with keil libraries 2017-11-26T07:29:43 < jadew> (cuz cypress provides some .lib files) 2017-11-26T07:31:34 < jadew> I'm trying to figure out why I can't get more than 3 Mb/s out of it 2017-11-26T07:31:39 < dongs> i forgot. last time i did fx2 shit i was under 32k 2017-11-26T07:31:44 < dongs> what the fuck are you doing that it needs more? 2017-11-26T07:31:45 < jadew> and I figured I'd run one of their examples 2017-11-26T07:32:30 < jadew> and it's not under 32k, it's under 4k 2017-11-26T07:33:30 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T07:36:33 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-26T07:36:36 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-26T07:36:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T07:54:31 -!- Guest27088 [~quassel@p2003006B0B7D7E0002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T07:54:59 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@p2003006B0B62F20002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T07:55:10 -!- TheSeven is now known as Guest70902 2017-11-26T08:05:06 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ILHg4hV.gifv 2017-11-26T08:31:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-26T10:19:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T11:02:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-26T11:05:12 < Thorn> >Integrated N-Channel Buck Switch: 460 mΩ 2017-11-26T11:05:21 < Thorn> this is mcp16301t 2017-11-26T11:05:49 < Thorn> so alpha&omega regulators aren't bad by comparison 2017-11-26T11:08:09 < Thorn> oh and btw small inductors rated for 0.5 or so A have DCR=0.5...0.8Ω so there will be >1Ω in series with your power supply 2017-11-26T11:11:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-1ee0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T11:19:40 < qyx> Iq of 2mA :S 2017-11-26T11:21:27 < Thorn> aoz1282ci has 1mA typ 2017-11-26T11:21:52 < Thorn> well they're high Vin (30 and 36V) so unlikely to be battery powered 2017-11-26T11:22:32 < qyx> I use LT8609 when $$ doesn't matter much 2017-11-26T11:23:51 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T11:34:43 < dongs> linear wins cuz no fucking diode 2017-11-26T11:35:30 < Thorn> I could put 15 microcontrollers on my board for that money :/ 2017-11-26T11:35:48 < dongs> i bet 2017-11-26T11:36:03 < qyx> the mcp one has 2 diodes 2017-11-26T11:36:29 < dongs> next challenge: implement high v-in buck controller on say stm8 powered by linear reg 2017-11-26T11:36:31 < qyx> and no sync 2017-11-26T11:36:32 < Thorn> that diode is weird 2017-11-26T11:36:46 < dongs> oh lol two didoes fuck off 2017-11-26T11:37:24 < Thorn> they have some kind of weird high side driver 2017-11-26T11:37:47 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/f5/e8/ac/b9/52/e5/45/9b/CD00116928.pdf/files/CD00116928.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00116928.pdf 2017-11-26T11:37:51 < Thorn> you need to power it from 3...5V, so if your Vout is not in that range you need a zener or ldo lol 2017-11-26T11:38:02 < dongs> wat the shit is this 2017-11-26T11:43:52 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T11:46:43 < dongs> okay so uh 2017-11-26T11:46:46 < dongs> i pressed some key combo 2017-11-26T11:46:52 < dongs> and my screens are now all grayscale 2017-11-26T11:47:15 < zyp> haha 2017-11-26T11:47:57 < dongs> ij 2017-11-26T11:47:59 < dongs> sldfgjhsdgh 2017-11-26T11:48:02 < dongs> what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 2017-11-26T11:49:08 < dongs> OMFG 2017-11-26T11:49:13 < dongs> its not just at graphics card level 2017-11-26T11:49:17 < dongs> screenshtos are actualyl gray too 2017-11-26T11:49:26 < dongs> what the nigger 2017-11-26T11:49:28 < dongs> WHAT KEY IS THIS 2017-11-26T11:52:22 < qyx> how can you verify whether screenshots are gray 2017-11-26T12:04:08 < dongs> i took one and send it to my phone 2017-11-26T12:04:12 < dongs> and it was fucking gray 2017-11-26T12:04:16 < dongs> omg, login screen is in color 2017-11-26T12:04:18 < dongs> this is some new windows faggot shit 2017-11-26T12:04:27 < dongs> FUCK 2017-11-26T12:04:58 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T12:09:15 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-1ee0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T12:09:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-1ee0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-26T12:09:27 < dongs> https://www.nextofwindows.com/windows-10-color-filters 2017-11-26T12:09:36 < qyx> better use lunix 2017-11-26T12:09:45 < dongs> it was ctrl+win+c 2017-11-26T12:09:48 < dongs> rage 2017-11-26T12:54:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-26T13:13:20 < Steffanx> Lolz, dongs struggling with Windows :P 2017-11-26T13:14:57 -!- qwebirc9433 [563d0eba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.61.14.186] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-26T13:23:33 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T13:31:18 < dongs> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5117527/America-hid-Amelia-Earharts-execution-Japanese.html lol 2017-11-26T14:34:37 < kakimir> can I get ls command to windows 2017-11-26T14:34:47 < kakimir> fuk dir 2017-11-26T14:39:10 < Steffanx> sure 2017-11-26T14:39:41 < Steffanx> install mingw kakimir, it comes with stuff like that 2017-11-26T14:40:51 < Steffanx> there is probably another way, but this is how i got it on windows. $ which ls => /c/MinGW/msys/1.0/bin/ls 2017-11-26T14:41:27 < Steffanx> it seems Cmder also comes with some ls when you installed the version with "git for windows". 2017-11-26T14:41:38 < Steffanx> Cmder <3 2017-11-26T14:49:14 -!- 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http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.nordic.infocenter.sdk51.v9.0.0%2Fble_sdk_app_nus_eval.html&cp=4_1_0_4_4_17 2017-11-26T15:31:33 < kakimir> maybe need a soft device? 2017-11-26T15:34:52 < kakimir> do I need to install special drivers to PC? 2017-11-26T15:43:42 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T15:48:11 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T15:49:38 < kakimir> okay enable pin 2017-11-26T15:58:27 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T15:59:49 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T16:07:34 < Steffanx> I believe it comes with some at commandset stuff by default kakimir 2017-11-26T16:08:09 < Steffanx> But i didnt use it like that. I used just the module and wrote my own sw for it. 2017-11-26T16:31:54 < kakimir> paired with it now 2017-11-26T16:31:57 < kakimir> wt0001 2017-11-26T16:32:08 < kakimir> can not see serial port 2017-11-26T16:35:19 < kakimir> Serial Port Enable pin, low level is effective. .Activate 2017-11-26T16:35:19 < kakimir> module serial port function after set high, and the serial 2017-11-26T16:35:19 < kakimir> port will close after being set low, which result in module 2017-11-26T16:35:20 < kakimir> functions reduction. 2017-11-26T16:35:31 < kakimir> so I bind it to 3v3 directly 2017-11-26T16:35:39 < kakimir> should have serial port functionality? 2017-11-26T16:37:21 < Steffanx> no clue, never used it. 2017-11-26T16:38:52 < Steffanx> I just reflashed the module with my own app suing swd right away. 2017-11-26T16:39:58 < Steffanx> There is an nordic nrf toolbox in the playstore, maybe that uart works? 2017-11-26T16:40:20 < Steffanx> and dont forget to install nrf connect 2017-11-26T16:46:31 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Ears-Bluetooth-Waterproof-Shockproof/dp/B0768K1JZD/ 2017-11-26T16:46:45 < ReadErr> check out my BLACKFRIDAY snag 2017-11-26T16:47:22 < kakimir> Steffanx: this is bullshit 2017-11-26T16:47:41 < kakimir> I think I'm done with this one too 2017-11-26T16:47:49 < Steffanx> wut? 2017-11-26T16:49:19 < kakimir> I think it needs some wireless tag toolkit 2017-11-26T16:49:22 < kakimir> to work 2017-11-26T16:49:30 < Steffanx> I didnt need it for sure. 2017-11-26T16:49:42 < Steffanx> I just used the apps on my phone to get stuff running 2017-11-26T16:51:48 < kakimir> oh 2017-11-26T16:52:15 < Steffanx> whats wrong kakimir? 2017-11-26T16:52:35 < kakimir> you need to configure it first with the app? 2017-11-26T16:52:39 < kakimir> then connect to pc 2017-11-26T16:53:07 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T16:53:22 < Steffanx> afaik no. 2017-11-26T16:53:23 < ReadErr> anyone use nordvpn 2017-11-26T16:53:54 < Steffanx> Did you play around with some serial port and AT commands yet, kakimir? 2017-11-26T16:54:11 < Steffanx> kakimir: Also i assume you're working with one of those 51822-S4AT module 2017-11-26T16:54:47 < Steffanx> Im not sure if it's actually a serial port, might also not be that :P 2017-11-26T16:54:54 < Steffanx> or serial stuff over ble 2017-11-26T16:55:07 < kakimir> it's emulated serial port 2017-11-26T17:02:52 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-1ee0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T17:02:52 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-1ee0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-26T17:08:39 < kakimir> no luck 2017-11-26T17:08:50 < kakimir> tried nrf toolkit, uart and lightblue 2017-11-26T17:13:03 < Getty> I have a very very very strange problem, which drives me crazy now since some months, and i cant find it. Out of nowhere vector.c of libopencm3 sets a bool in my code (which triggers a reboot) while nothing in my code sets this bool. 2017-11-26T17:13:48 < Getty> now the joke is, that the problem is gone if i exclude specific parts of my code (its not even about that they get called, just removing them is enough, having them unused isnt) 2017-11-26T17:15:21 < Getty> I have the feeling, that somewhere in my (or libopencm3 or lwip) codes someone calls some totally wrong address for a function, and with me adding those code parts i move the libopencm3 lib into that wrong address range and then get this effect 2017-11-26T17:15:34 < Getty> does that make sense? 2017-11-26T17:15:41 < qyx> why should vector.c does it 2017-11-26T17:15:49 < Getty> i have no idea! thats what the debugger tells me 2017-11-26T17:15:53 < Getty> i assume its more a side effect 2017-11-26T17:16:01 < Getty> a wrong call to vector.c through this, that then leads to this change 2017-11-26T17:16:12 < Getty> (i dont touch vector.c myself of course) 2017-11-26T17:16:21 < Getty> sadly i cant get a stacktrace on the debugger ;) 2017-11-26T17:16:34 < Getty> that wold be VERY helpfull 2017-11-26T17:16:43 < Thorn> why not? 2017-11-26T17:17:07 < Steffanx> You do see the device kakimir? 2017-11-26T17:17:12 < Steffanx> and you can connect? 2017-11-26T17:17:57 < Getty> kakimir? 2017-11-26T17:18:17 < kakimir> not in tools 2017-11-26T17:18:26 < kakimir> just in bluetooth search 2017-11-26T17:18:40 < Getty> oh that wasnt for me lol 2017-11-26T17:19:00 < Getty> Thorn: aehm as far as i understood my processor is not capable of dellivering stacktrace or in combination with the openocd 2017-11-26T17:19:12 < Getty> Thorn: if i am not wrong, of course i am open to someone showing me otherwise 2017-11-26T17:19:31 < Thorn> all stm32 chave enough debug hardware for that 2017-11-26T17:19:37 < Thorn> *have 2017-11-26T17:19:39 < Getty> ok! then i must have understood something wrong 2017-11-26T17:19:56 < Getty> let me get back to the debugging situation and then we check how we get that stacktrace 2017-11-26T17:20:33 < Thorn> you can also set at least 2 (4?) breakpoints 2017-11-26T17:26:35 < Getty> welll more than 1 i cant use 2017-11-26T17:26:39 < Getty> i set the breakpoint on the bool 2017-11-26T17:26:45 < Getty> see that vector.c changes it that was my last stand 2017-11-26T17:26:54 < Getty> i mean making a breakpoint in vector.c is probably nto so wise :D 2017-11-26T17:27:53 < kakimir> I cut the enable wire and still no serial port 2017-11-26T17:28:17 < kakimir> I can not even connect to my debug server with my current network 2017-11-26T17:28:35 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T17:28:43 < kakimir> C:\Users\Janne>ping 192.168.1.222 2017-11-26T17:28:43 < kakimir> Pinging 192.168.1.222 with 32 bytes of data: 2017-11-26T17:28:44 < kakimir> Reply from 192.168.1.100: Destination host unreachable. 2017-11-26T17:29:23 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T17:29:46 < kakimir> why does my router down the stream answer to ping when debug server is connected to wifi right next to first router 2017-11-26T17:30:07 < kakimir> I'm tired of these shitty routers 2017-11-26T17:37:50 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-26T17:38:46 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T17:41:35 -!- syn0 [hoofman@odin.sdf-eu.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T17:43:29 < Steffanx> Better get some sleep kakimir 2017-11-26T17:47:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T17:47:14 < Getty> sleep is for the weak 2017-11-26T17:48:57 < Steffanx> Nah, but it's way past rage o'click, Getty 2017-11-26T17:49:07 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T18:14:14 < kakimir> networking hell 2017-11-26T18:15:59 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-26T18:17:02 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T18:19:58 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ABLomas 2017-11-26T18:20:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ABLomas 2017-11-26T18:23:26 < kakimir> 2 shitty routers together 2017-11-26T18:23:47 < kakimir> is shit^2 2017-11-26T18:24:08 < kakimir> I shut down another one and it's all much better now 2017-11-26T18:25:56 < kakimir> finally got connection to my debug server 2017-11-26T18:26:21 < kakimir> I think multiple accesspoints with same ssid had something to do with the problem 2017-11-26T18:29:01 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T18:29:34 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T18:35:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T19:14:02 < kakimir> can you usually any possible way read mcu rom out of it? 2017-11-26T19:14:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-26T19:14:27 < kakimir> I assume it's only execute area 2017-11-26T19:18:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-26T19:53:24 < mra90> does anybody have experience with Infineon uCs? 2017-11-26T20:03:13 < kakimir> I almost chose one for my project because of some combination of features 2017-11-26T20:03:23 < kakimir> should there be any problems using such? 2017-11-26T20:03:31 < kakimir> it's cortex 2017-11-26T20:32:32 < kakimir> phef.. workspace had my debug settings even when eclipce openocd was not installed 2017-11-26T20:32:45 < kakimir> could have ruined my night 2017-11-26T21:13:20 < branjb> what's the diff between uart and lpuart? lpuart can run in stop mode? 2017-11-26T21:19:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T21:47:01 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-26T21:50:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T22:00:59 -!- Kerr-A_ [~Kerr-A@172.79.104.108] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T22:01:17 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-26T22:02:37 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@172.79.104.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-26T22:03:01 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T22:21:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T22:21:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-26T22:21:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T22:28:12 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/R32nhEV.png 2017-11-26T22:30:33 < kakimir> nice 2017-11-26T22:30:43 < kakimir> are you using external 1wire interface? 2017-11-26T22:31:18 < Thorn> yes, for a potted ds18b20 in a metal tube 2017-11-26T22:31:35 < kakimir> you do potting yourself? 2017-11-26T22:32:07 < kakimir> or is it available from usual suspects? 2017-11-26T22:32:18 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pcs-lot-Stainless-steel-package-Waterproof-DS18b20-temperature-probe-temperature-sensor-18B20-for-arduino/32584375973.html 2017-11-26T22:33:06 < Thorn> actually I'm not even sure it's potted 2017-11-26T22:33:18 < kakimir> just a heat strink 2017-11-26T22:33:22 < kakimir> not even glue 2017-11-26T22:33:49 < kakimir> probs 2017-11-26T22:33:57 < Thorn> I did it myself years ago, got some tube from an industrial temp sensor, put the sensor in there and poured epoxy 2017-11-26T22:35:51 < kakimir> can I do yield in middle of interrupt function? 2017-11-26T22:35:57 < kakimir> freertos 2017-11-26T22:36:14 < Thorn> you can only yield from a task afaik 2017-11-26T22:37:31 < Thorn> hm there is portYIELD_FROM_ISR 2017-11-26T22:38:21 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T22:39:27 < kakimir> does it exit interrupt once it has been called? 2017-11-26T22:39:33 < kakimir> or after interrupt exits? 2017-11-26T22:41:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-26T22:50:24 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T23:13:47 < kakimir> how to jump editing file that has certain function presented in current file? 2017-11-26T23:14:21 < kakimir> eclipse 2017-11-26T23:16:05 < Steffanx> ctrl+click? 2017-11-26T23:20:21 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T23:20:34 < kakimir> faulty ram even in this one 2017-11-26T23:21:19 < kakimir> bad patch 2017-11-26T23:21:24 < kakimir> *batch 2017-11-26T23:21:50 < Steffanx> Uhm what kakimir ? 2017-11-26T23:22:03 < capacitor> kakism 2017-11-26T23:23:04 < kakimir> sorry.. flash 2017-11-26T23:25:06 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-26T23:25:50 < kakimir> there is a row of zeros 2017-11-26T23:26:05 < kakimir> in disassembly viewer 2017-11-26T23:28:04 < capacitor> where is stffn 2017-11-26T23:28:37 * capacitor googles time in germany 2017-11-26T23:29:49 < Steffanx> Glad im not a german 2017-11-26T23:30:12 < Steffanx> Faulty flash in what kakimir ? 2017-11-26T23:30:16 < Steffanx> Stm32? 2017-11-26T23:30:19 < kakimir> lpc1517 2017-11-26T23:30:32 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T23:30:42 < kakimir> I take my lpc1519 devboard and it's okay 2017-11-26T23:31:29 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-26T23:32:52 < Steffanx> Faulty flash kinda unlikely... 2017-11-26T23:33:08 < kakimir> it's openocd faulty 2017-11-26T23:33:30 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-26T23:36:12 < kakimir> someone else has same problem 2017-11-26T23:36:57 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-26T23:42:04 < capacitor> the problem is free software 2017-11-26T23:42:08 < Steffanx> Hello capacitor 2017-11-26T23:42:20 < capacitor> hello my friend! 2017-11-26T23:42:52 < Steffanx> Hows aussieland? 2017-11-26T23:43:33 < capacitor> same same 2017-11-26T23:43:53 < capacitor> i was hoping north korea would have blown us up 2017-11-26T23:48:57 < kakimir> okay I get serial port over ip with ser2net and windows side HW VSP client 2017-11-26T23:51:25 < Steffanx> Got ble serial stuff yet? 2017-11-26T23:53:22 < kakimir> no 2017-11-26T23:53:32 < kakimir> I just use the debug server rs232 2017-11-26T23:53:37 < kakimir> easy 2017-11-26T23:53:58 < kakimir> now I have X session over ip 2017-11-26T23:54:11 < kakimir> but I want to mess with realterm on my PC 2017-11-26T23:55:10 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-26T23:58:56 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] --- Day changed Mon Nov 27 2017 2017-11-27T00:04:02 < kakimir> I'm connected to rs232 in my debugcrap via ip 2017-11-27T00:04:09 < kakimir> *debugcraptop 2017-11-27T00:05:37 < kakimir> that was painless 2017-11-27T00:11:43 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@172.79.104.108] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T00:13:35 -!- Kerr-A_ [~Kerr-A@172.79.104.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-27T00:14:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FUuKlzFMZMISlkXaVUerH7M5qkgGbarN/view?usp=sharing 2017-11-27T00:15:34 < kakimir> Steffanx: look how easy. install ser2net and edit conf restart install HW VSP and set ip and port and use 2017-11-27T00:16:17 < Steffanx> capacitor: you are surrounded by water. Give it a try.. 2017-11-27T00:16:32 < kakimir> hmm.. unedited config visible 2017-11-27T00:17:55 < Steffanx> And an ä overload :P 2017-11-27T00:18:55 < capacitor> Steffanx: the sharks will get me 2017-11-27T00:19:14 < Steffanx> Isnt that what you wanted? 2017-11-27T00:20:15 < Steffanx> Ok instead of going sky high you go ocean deep, but who cares? 2017-11-27T00:22:13 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-27T00:23:35 < Steffanx> I wish you a happy day capacitor. Enjoy your theepot 2017-11-27T00:24:48 < Laurenceb_> kakimir waifu https://twitter.com/AnoukWipprecht?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author 2017-11-27T00:26:40 < capacitor> thanks steffan 2017-11-27T00:27:23 < Steffanx> Could be worse Laurenceb_ ... 2017-11-27T00:27:52 < Laurenceb_> *Brittany Venti* 2017-11-27T00:28:07 < Steffanx> And dutch. Better not mix finn with dutch 2017-11-27T00:29:01 < Steffanx> Does your sister vlog, Laurenceb_ ? 2017-11-27T00:29:14 < Laurenceb_> I dont have a sister 2017-11-27T00:29:30 < Laurenceb_> I have a cousin on chaturbate if thats what you mean 2017-11-27T00:29:39 < Steffanx> *anymore 2017-11-27T00:30:10 < Steffanx> Cousin..... 2017-11-27T00:31:11 < upgrdman> cousin camgirl huh 2017-11-27T00:31:35 < upgrdman> you fapped to her didnt you 2017-11-27T00:31:45 < Steffanx> Did you just assume gender upgrdman ? 2017-11-27T00:31:54 < upgrdman> haha 2017-11-27T00:32:13 < BrainDamage> laurenceb probably still fapped to 'it' anyway, because camwhore 2017-11-27T00:32:28 < Steffanx> But british.. 2017-11-27T00:34:20 < Laurenceb_> implying you didn't 2017-11-27T00:34:34 < upgrdman> notice how Laurenceb_ didn't say "no" 2017-11-27T00:34:53 < upgrdman> case closed, guys 2017-11-27T00:35:04 < Laurenceb_> my aunt was also a pron star in 80s/early 90s 2017-11-27T00:35:04 < upgrdman> GUILTY 2017-11-27T00:36:19 < Steffanx> And your dad? I now know why he went to the usa. 2017-11-27T00:36:20 < Laurenceb_> and my grandparents were fully aware O_o 2017-11-27T00:37:00 < BrainDamage> and do what? kill her to preserve the family's honour? 2017-11-27T00:37:05 < Laurenceb_> my grandmother used to drive her to pron shoots O_o 2017-11-27T00:37:06 < Laurenceb_> lul 2017-11-27T00:37:17 < capacitor> the s p e c t r u m 2017-11-27T00:37:49 < Steffanx> Hows the house getting along Laurenceb_ ? Is it done yet? 2017-11-27T00:38:01 < Laurenceb_> huh 2017-11-27T00:38:05 < Laurenceb_> finished in 2010 2017-11-27T00:38:20 < Steffanx> Lies. I remember pics from 2017 2017-11-27T00:38:34 < Steffanx> From you DIYing 2017-11-27T00:38:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-1ee0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-27T00:39:06 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe but not major wurk 2017-11-27T00:39:09 < Steffanx> Taken with a potato cam 2017-11-27T00:41:18 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://youtu.be/vnsGvkLF2pE?t=1m25s ä for you 2017-11-27T00:42:40 < kakimir> in finnish hät would sound similar than in english hat 2017-11-27T00:42:44 < Laurenceb_> dial the number https://pics.me.me/a-u-t-i-s-m-persons-with-autism-may-8252308.png 2017-11-27T00:43:56 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-27T00:45:00 < kakimir> there is also ö stef 2017-11-27T00:45:28 < Getty> lol https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/59764762b916907ab0e6dc32/master/pass/Donald-Trump-Original-Signed-Drawing-of-NYC-Skyline-53866c_lg.jpg 2017-11-27T00:45:52 < capacitor> lol Laurenceb_ 2017-11-27T00:46:24 < Steffanx> I dönt wänt tö knöw kåkimir :P 2017-11-27T00:46:39 < kakimir> it's forced 2017-11-27T00:47:08 < Laurenceb_> >tfw you will never have a state sprayed chlorine chicken burger with imitation cheese and a bun that isn't made from bread. 2017-11-27T00:47:38 < capacitor> the fucken cwc 2017-11-27T00:49:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-27T00:53:32 < kakimir> I need flash check functionality 2017-11-27T00:57:42 < BrainDamage> checksum the memory space 2017-11-27T00:58:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/halong-mining/dragonmint-16t/ 2017-11-27T00:58:58 < Laurenceb_> wut the... 2017-11-27T00:59:05 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if this could do anything useful 2017-11-27T01:00:57 < BrainDamage> the only thing they can lie on is hash rate and power consumption, rest is public domain info, just check the math 2017-11-27T01:02:07 < capacitor> https://shop.delphijustin.biz/Cut_and_bent_lead_capacitors/p4225955_18010325.aspx 2017-11-27T01:02:10 < capacitor> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 2017-11-27T01:02:12 < Laurenceb_> I mean liek neural network sims or something 2017-11-27T01:02:40 < BrainDamage> no, their insanity reached specific asic 2017-11-27T01:04:47 < capacitor> like the bzb lawnmower 2017-11-27T01:08:05 -!- invzim [~invzim@kne.kirurg.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-27T01:08:12 -!- invzim [~invzim@kne.kirurg.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T01:08:42 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T01:10:37 < englishman> lol capacitor 2017-11-27T01:10:57 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-27T01:11:07 < capacitor> :D 2017-11-27T01:25:19 < kakimir> how do I add verify flash to my openocd setup? 2017-11-27T01:25:32 < kakimir> so after flashing it runs verify flash 2017-11-27T01:25:43 < kakimir> time to join openocd 2017-11-27T01:26:10 < kakimir> #openocd * 2017-11-27T01:31:31 < capacitor> what? 2017-11-27T01:32:50 < kakimir> talking to myself 2017-11-27T01:36:32 < Thorn> https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_preview/9/8/7/5393789.jpg 2017-11-27T01:39:56 < kakimir> what does that say 2017-11-27T01:41:15 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-42128595 2017-11-27T01:41:18 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz 2017-11-27T01:49:01 < Cracki> google translate for russian doesn't have the third glyph on the soft kb 2017-11-27T01:49:53 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-27T01:50:50 < Cracki> something about "put chip more" 2017-11-27T01:51:04 < Thorn> "put the chip the fuck back/down" 2017-11-27T01:51:18 < kakimir> hah 2017-11-27T01:51:47 < Thorn> https://cs5.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2015-05_2/14310236776243.jpg 2017-11-27T01:51:49 < Cracki> so what's wrong with my character recognition? "ПОЛОЖИ ЧИП БЛЕАТЬ" 2017-11-27T01:52:28 < Thorn> looks correct 2017-11-27T01:53:02 < Cracki> then google tr sucks 2017-11-27T01:53:09 < Cracki> won't curse at me 2017-11-27T01:53:16 < Cracki> curwa 2017-11-27T01:53:52 < Cracki> *kurwa 2017-11-27T01:54:01 < Cracki> gotta learn polish :P 2017-11-27T01:56:04 < Thorn> it's an alternative spelling from a meme https://memepedia.ru/bud-muzhikom-bleat/ 2017-11-27T01:58:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-27T02:00:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T02:00:17 < Fleck> to that guy who made that pcb: http://statusmind.com/images/2014/02/Hilarious-Facebook-Status-32202-statusmind.com.jpg 2017-11-27T02:03:35 -!- Guest54606 [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T02:03:43 -!- Guest54606 is now known as Laurenceb_ 2017-11-27T02:03:45 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-27T02:04:50 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T02:14:06 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-27T02:15:21 < capacitor> cunts fucked 2017-11-27T02:22:24 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-27T02:22:32 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T02:44:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-78-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T02:53:07 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-27T02:54:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T03:01:17 < Thorn> lpc111x are available in PLCC44 2017-11-27T03:01:40 < Thorn> isn't it an obsolete package? 2017-11-27T03:16:54 < aandrew> last time I used PLCC was in the PIC16F877 2017-11-27T03:20:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-78-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-27T03:28:58 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-27T03:59:26 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-27T04:00:54 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T04:13:58 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-27T04:15:37 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T04:41:55 < upgrdman> it'd be kinda funny if that PLCC44 had an internal lead frame that was just a QFN breakout, and they just soldered a QFN in there and filled it with epoxy. 2017-11-27T04:44:30 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/pVuJtyc.png found englishman's cat 2017-11-27T04:44:54 < dongs> last time i used PLCC was when i tossed a bunch of shit in teh garbage 2017-11-27T04:53:53 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-27T04:54:50 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T05:03:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T05:14:34 < aandrew> wow 2017-11-27T05:14:56 < aandrew> ASH7K-32.768 and ASH7KW-32.768 have different and incompatible pinouts 2017-11-27T05:27:36 < dongs> LOL DONGS 2017-11-27T05:27:54 < dongs> more like abraCON amirite? 2017-11-27T05:28:16 < aandrew> nah 2017-11-27T05:28:18 < aandrew> abradongs 2017-11-27T05:34:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-27T06:41:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T07:06:33 -!- Guest70902 [~quassel@p2003006B0B62F20002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-27T07:11:29 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2017-11-27T07:17:10 -!- Guest47498 [~quassel@p2003006B0B62F20002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T07:31:19 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/I5O0u shit board but it works so that's cool 2017-11-27T07:32:53 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T07:36:01 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-27T07:36:05 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-27T07:44:14 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T07:47:08 < stvn> https://youtu.be/nEURRB4KS0c?t=56s 2017-11-27T07:51:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-27T07:53:39 -!- Guest47498 [~quassel@p2003006B0B62F20002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-27T07:54:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@p2003006B0B1CEB0002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T07:54:17 -!- TheSeven is now known as Guest65624 2017-11-27T07:55:55 < stvn> hey muscles 2017-11-27T07:56:11 < stvn> yeah muscles 2017-11-27T08:30:39 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-27T08:54:53 < stvn> does anyone here knows how for more frequency? 2017-11-27T09:07:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2017-11-27T09:08:02 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-27T09:20:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T09:46:09 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T09:48:34 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T09:57:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-6eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-27T10:24:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T10:50:48 < invzim> I need to measure pulse width in the us range, idea is to just have interrupts from gpio and timestamp them with something 2017-11-27T10:51:26 < invzim> is there a cycle counter or something you can use for free? 2017-11-27T10:51:53 < zyp> wat 2017-11-27T10:51:54 < Thorn> timer input capture? 2017-11-27T10:52:03 < zyp> why the fuck would you not use input capture? 2017-11-27T10:52:18 < Thorn> life is not fun eithout interrupt latency and jitter 2017-11-27T10:52:47 < invzim> signal goes low, record time X, signal goes high, record time Y, y-x=win :) 2017-11-27T10:53:12 < dongs> autism goes up 2017-11-27T10:53:27 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-27T10:53:28 < dongs> invzim: jsut use CYCCNT i guess 2017-11-27T10:53:29 < dongs> its free. 2017-11-27T10:53:38 < dongs> if you insist. 2017-11-27T10:53:47 < dongs> sample it in EXTI or omsethin 2017-11-27T10:53:59 < dongs> to reduce latency/weirdness maybe grab CYCCNT sample before clearing exti flags 2017-11-27T10:54:10 < dongs> then use that cached value as whatever measurement 2017-11-27T10:54:43 < invzim> will have a look, and also googles input capture :) 2017-11-27T10:55:42 < invzim> it's not hard science here, it's video sync pulse stuff. I want to separate the horizontal syncs which are about 5us from the vertical syncs which are longer 2017-11-27T10:56:11 < dongs> i'd use a timer for that 2017-11-27T10:56:19 < dongs> sounds like it would need to be somewhat accurate 2017-11-27T10:56:40 < invzim> nah, I'm just interested in when a vertical (>5us) occurs 2017-11-27T10:58:18 < invzim> ah, input capture seems to be made for what I want to do lol 2017-11-27T10:58:30 < dongs> yes 2017-11-27T10:59:05 < invzim> specfic pins? 2017-11-27T10:59:16 < dongs> kinda has to be on timer pims, yeah 2017-11-27T10:59:17 < dongs> pins 2017-11-27T10:59:23 < invzim> crap 2017-11-27T10:59:34 < invzim> doing a respin for physical reasons anyway 2017-11-27T10:59:43 < dongs> no timer AF? 2017-11-27T10:59:46 < dongs> most pins have somethign at least 2017-11-27T10:59:49 < dongs> except shit on PCxx 2017-11-27T10:59:56 < dongs> PA/PB/PD have some stuff 2017-11-27T11:01:47 < invzim> PC7 is pin in question, so I may be in luck 2017-11-27T11:02:13 < invzim> tim3_ch2 2017-11-27T11:02:26 < dongs> TIM8 or TIM3 yea 2017-11-27T11:02:40 < dongs> should be doable 2017-11-27T11:03:59 < invzim> thanks again people, probably saved me a dirty hack :) 2017-11-27T11:11:26 < dongs> filthy hack 2017-11-27T11:21:36 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T11:29:02 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T11:48:01 < aandrew> balls. esxi won't let me expand a disk with snapshots 2017-11-27T11:57:55 < dongs> expand some balls 2017-11-27T12:11:08 < Thorn> anyone used sctimer in lpc? it can apparently generate ws2812 signal, 1-wire etc. 2017-11-27T12:11:55 < Thorn> AN11538 2017-11-27T12:18:44 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@pa49-180-140-254.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T12:22:01 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-27T12:24:38 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T12:40:55 < zyp> no, but I've been wanting to 2017-11-27T12:51:16 < zyp> the SPI routed to SCT example looks neat 2017-11-27T13:22:47 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-27T13:24:17 -!- ReadErr [readerror@very.legit.website] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-27T13:43:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T13:53:41 -!- hexo [hexo@base48.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-27T13:53:53 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-27T13:54:12 -!- HorizonBreak [sid131374@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vljptyxcmjrlohgn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-27T13:55:16 -!- HorizonBreak [sid131374@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojicvaheyzysbpld] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T13:56:30 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T13:57:32 -!- hexo_ [hexo@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T14:07:13 < qyx> has anyone seen a 0603/0805 rgb led with a i2c or similar bus? 2017-11-27T14:08:13 < aandrew> nothing that small no 2017-11-27T14:08:26 < dongs> i2c led? what hte fuck 2017-11-27T14:08:49 < aandrew> you can get 0805/0603 RGB LEDs and drive a bunch of them with a controller via i2c though 2017-11-27T14:09:01 < dongs> if you were working for aandrew and you asked him that question, you'd be out looking for a new job 2017-11-27T14:09:32 < aandrew> how's rage say it? I'm a kind a loving master, provided they don't fuck up 2017-11-27T14:09:32 < dongs> lol chrome crashes my ancient jap pbx if I connect to it 2017-11-27T14:09:44 < dongs> makes too many connections i guess 2017-11-27T14:10:13 < qyx> and what about those WS.... leds 2017-11-27T14:10:19 < qyx> 3225 though iirc 2017-11-27T14:10:25 < dongs> thats 5050 2017-11-27T14:10:32 < dongs> i think theres APA104 or 204 or someshit 2017-11-27T14:10:34 < dongs> in a bit smaller pkg 2017-11-27T14:10:53 -!- noonien [uid162445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dlbshitslsysxiia] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2017-11-27T14:11:00 < dongs> http://sfleds.blogspot.jp/2015/11/apa102-2020-led-smd.html 2017-11-27T14:11:01 < aandrew> yeah I have a reel of the smaller ones 2017-11-27T14:11:02 < dongs> 2020 2017-11-27T14:11:04 < aandrew> the name escapes me 2017-11-27T14:11:06 < aandrew> not those though 2017-11-27T14:11:08 < dongs> looks like thats probly about as small as its gonna get 2017-11-27T14:11:35 < qyx> ok, lets forget it 2017-11-27T14:11:46 < qyx> I'll just connect 3 gpio to a rgb led 2017-11-27T14:11:52 < dongs> laugh 2017-11-27T14:12:03 < dongs> put them on PWM pins so you can pro it up 2017-11-27T14:12:08 < dongs> with macfag breathing 2017-11-27T14:12:09 < qyx> of course 2017-11-27T14:12:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T14:14:12 -!- ReadErr [readerror@very.legit.website] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T14:33:01 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-27T14:33:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T15:45:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T15:48:21 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-27T16:02:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-27T16:11:59 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-27T16:14:41 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T16:32:23 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T16:42:40 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-27T16:43:51 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T16:44:46 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T16:58:03 < karlp> blowing up fablabs because they're instruments of state controlllll or something... https://acteursdeleconomie.latribune.fr/debats/opinion/2017-11-27/incendie-de-la-casemate-de-grenoble-qui-en-veut-aux-fablabs-759393.html 2017-11-27T17:03:14 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T17:16:28 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-27T17:18:48 < tr0ubl3> Yeah kicad really is a pos I have been trying to get this second rev of the pcb done but the damn thing has been crashing all day 2017-11-27T17:21:25 < karlp> tr0ubl3: which version are you using? 2017-11-27T17:22:33 < tr0ubl3> karlp: revision e5847b796 but I think this is an uncommon issue 2017-11-27T17:24:21 < karlp> is that like 4.0.x stable branch? or are you running some bleeding edge snapshot 2017-11-27T17:25:51 < tr0ubl3> I am not sure I built from source from the github repo 2017-11-27T17:37:33 < englishman> invzim: any reason why you wouldnt use a $1 sync separator ic? 2017-11-27T17:39:03 < englishman> qyx theres ws2812b-mini which is 3535 2017-11-27T17:44:32 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/11/26/2218240/did-elon-musk-create-bitcoin 2017-11-27T17:44:35 < Laurenceb> wtf am i reading 2017-11-27T17:45:01 < Laurenceb> > Musk invented Bitcoin for future use on Mars 2017-11-27T17:45:07 < Laurenceb> m y s i d e s 2017-11-27T17:45:15 < englishman> Musk's 2013 Hyperloop paper also provided insight into his deep understanding of cryptography and economics. 2017-11-27T17:45:21 < Laurenceb> muhahaha 2017-11-27T17:45:40 < Laurenceb> this is full Poe 2017-11-27T17:46:03 < Laurenceb> le zero volume steam 2017-11-27T17:46:21 < englishman> where is stvn 2017-11-27T17:47:41 < Laurenceb> maybe we could use hyperloop cooling in other applications 2017-11-27T17:48:03 < Laurenceb> boil water then store the steam in the same tank, that works right??? 2017-11-27T17:48:29 < englishman> it works in my pressure cooker 2017-11-27T17:48:37 < Laurenceb> "What is a volume??": Elon Musk 2013 2017-11-27T17:48:39 < invzim> englishman: aside from the one dollar, the ones I've looked at are not high-impedance inputs and messes up the signal. For this application I don't want/should not touch the sync or video signals at all 2017-11-27T17:48:53 < Laurenceb> englishman: not if its full of water to start with 2017-11-27T17:49:00 < Laurenceb> then its an exploderloop 2017-11-27T17:49:16 < Laurenceb> inb4 Musk did Boston marathon 2017-11-27T17:49:45 < englishman> hmm ok, in my application i actually abuse it to clamp video level 2017-11-27T17:49:57 < englishman> and have an output amp after 2017-11-27T17:50:11 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11405155&cid=55626613 2017-11-27T17:50:27 < englishman> but yeah there will be none with high impedance inputs 2017-11-27T17:50:46 < englishman> unless you preamp 2017-11-27T17:51:10 < Laurenceb> englishman: hyperloop is cooled using a water filled tank, the water boils and then the steam is stored in the same tank 2017-11-27T17:51:16 < Laurenceb> le epin physics troll 2017-11-27T17:51:44 < Laurenceb> and thats just the start of the troll physics in the hyperloop paper 2017-11-27T17:53:06 < zyp> hmm 2017-11-27T17:53:24 < zyp> the $5.2 worth of bitcoin Steffanx gave me is worth about $12 now 2017-11-27T17:53:26 < zyp> getting rich 2017-11-27T17:53:52 < englishman> to the moon 2017-11-27T17:56:17 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T17:58:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T18:03:55 < Laurenceb> I should buy some bitcoin 2017-11-27T18:04:05 < Laurenceb> I keep saying this but expecting the price to crash 2017-11-27T18:04:17 < Laurenceb> also buying from uk without yuuge markup is a pita 2017-11-27T18:04:50 < tr0ubl3> where do you get yours from in the uk 2017-11-27T18:06:16 < Laurenceb> I dont know thats the problem 2017-11-27T18:06:27 < daey> mine them 2017-11-27T18:06:32 < Laurenceb> waiting for my treading platform to support bitcoin but I dont think its going to happen 2017-11-27T18:06:37 < Laurenceb> *trading 2017-11-27T18:06:43 < daey> with your cheap electricity! 2017-11-27T18:07:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-27T18:08:07 < Laurenceb> I should set up a gemini account 2017-11-27T18:08:13 < Laurenceb> but thats also a pita from uk 2017-11-27T18:08:26 < Laurenceb> have to comply with all sorts of daft money laundering laws 2017-11-27T18:08:43 < Laurenceb> both us and uk ones O_o 2017-11-27T18:09:07 < tr0ubl3> Yeah its annoying have to give id 2017-11-27T18:09:33 < tr0ubl3> I remember when I first starting using bitcoin for "stuff" I could buy with no id at all using the emergency bank code thing 2017-11-27T18:09:40 < Laurenceb> my standard investment account makes <£1k/year 2017-11-27T18:09:45 < jpa-> Laurenceb: there are some bitcoin ETFs 2017-11-27T18:09:51 < Laurenceb> interesting 2017-11-27T18:10:17 < Laurenceb> I'll take a look on my existing investment platform thingy 2017-11-27T18:10:31 < Laurenceb> thanx 2017-11-27T18:11:22 < jpa-> also ethereum etfs if bitcoin is too mainstream 2017-11-27T18:18:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T18:19:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-27T18:25:01 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ihm1sPJSFpTINKrXUBNXzVyrixDazHHB/view?usp=sharing over ip rs232 active and working 2017-11-27T18:25:36 < kakimir> with ser2net even default configuration would work without editing just pick port numbers from there 2017-11-27T18:31:16 < kakimir> it werks! 2017-11-27T18:40:57 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T18:47:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-27T18:57:18 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T19:19:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T19:28:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] 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##stm32 2017-11-27T22:12:04 < zyp> coinfloor perhaps 2017-11-27T22:15:48 < kakimir> should I set initial variables of tasks in freertos as static? 2017-11-27T22:16:00 < zyp> why? 2017-11-27T22:16:01 < kakimir> those that come before while(1) 2017-11-27T22:16:13 < kakimir> I saw some dude to do that in youtub vid 2017-11-27T22:16:36 < zyp> freertos tasks are just functions 2017-11-27T22:16:54 < kakimir> yep 2017-11-27T22:17:05 < zyp> with the standard implications that has for static variables 2017-11-27T22:17:12 < kakimir> it's a beauty 2017-11-27T22:17:30 < zyp> i.e. a static variable would be placed in .data/.bss instead of on stack 2017-11-27T22:18:22 < zyp> if you're starting multiple tasks with the same function, static variables will be shared, which might not be what you want 2017-11-27T22:18:49 < zyp> I'd only use static variables if I explicitly wanted to share them between multiple instances of that task 2017-11-27T22:19:09 < zyp> there's not really any other benefit 2017-11-27T22:19:35 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-27T22:19:53 < jpa-> it also makes sense for big variables, if you don't want to be increasing the stack 2017-11-27T22:19:59 < zyp> less stuff on stack will of course mean you consume less stack 2017-11-27T22:20:26 < zyp> but increasing .data/.bss by the same amount just means you got that much left room left over for stack anyway 2017-11-27T22:20:32 < jpa-> yeah 2017-11-27T22:20:45 < zyp> so it doesn't really matter unless you allocate those from separate memories 2017-11-27T22:20:47 < kakimir> semaphore is given at it's creation? 2017-11-27T22:20:55 < kakimir> how about counting semaphore? 2017-11-27T22:21:15 < zyp> is it? that doesn't make sense to me 2017-11-27T22:21:28 < kakimir> https://www.freertos.org/FreeRTOS_Support_Forum_Archive/December_2005/freertos_Binary_semaphores_1400492.html 2017-11-27T22:21:31 < zyp> and you might prefer to use task notifications 2017-11-27T22:22:03 < kakimir> If you take a look at semphr.h you will notice that when a semaphore is created, it is immediately "given", so the first call to "take" the semaphore will succeed. If you want to change this behaviour then there are a couple of options. 2017-11-27T22:23:12 < zyp> https://www.freertos.org/xSemaphoreCreateBinary.html 2017-11-27T22:23:14 < zyp> «The semaphore is created in the 'empty' state, meaning the semaphore must first be given using the xSemaphoreGive() API function before it can subsequently be taken (obtained) using the xSemaphoreTake() function.» 2017-11-27T22:23:57 < zyp> anyway, look at task notifications before you spend too much time looking at semaphores 2017-11-27T22:24:13 < kakimir> I have old freertos 2017-11-27T22:24:18 < zyp> why? 2017-11-27T22:24:43 < kakimir> I don't bother to change 2017-11-27T22:24:50 < kakimir> at least first thing 2017-11-27T22:24:52 < zyp> then why do you bother at all? 2017-11-27T22:25:09 < kakimir> I need to make it work first 2017-11-27T22:25:22 < kakimir> then it's better to make new freertos work 2017-11-27T22:25:37 < zyp> why not grab the newest version and make it work instead of putting a bunch of time into making an obsolete version work? 2017-11-27T22:26:09 < kakimir> because obsolete version was provided with all the configuration to run on my platform 2017-11-27T22:26:16 < kakimir> everything 2017-11-27T22:26:26 < kakimir> copy paste 2017-11-27T22:26:28 < zyp> haha 2017-11-27T22:26:45 < kakimir> I try to use this first 2017-11-27T22:26:50 < kakimir> then ruin my project 2017-11-27T22:27:00 < zyp> okay, good luck 2017-11-27T22:27:22 < Steffanx> it should be fairly easy to upgrade kakimir. 2017-11-27T22:27:40 < Steffanx> Last time I upgraded from 7.0.0 to 9.0 something it was pretty easy. 2017-11-27T22:28:19 < kakimir> not first thing I want to do 2017-11-27T22:28:43 < Steffanx> make it the first thing 2017-11-27T22:29:45 < Steffanx> You'll receive instant love. 2017-11-27T22:31:17 < kakimir> no 2017-11-27T22:32:20 < Steffanx> ok Sir. 2017-11-27T22:33:56 < kakimir> instant hate 2017-11-27T22:34:05 < kakimir> for me 2017-11-27T22:34:08 < Steffanx> Poor kaki. 2017-11-27T22:45:54 < Ultrasauce> more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbLrnmsOfZU 2017-11-27T22:46:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-27T22:47:18 < kakimir> what is problems with old rtos? 2017-11-27T22:47:25 < kakimir> I just use tasks and semaphores 2017-11-27T22:48:07 < karlp> notthig, just sometimes there's nicer/easier/more performantt ways of doing things 2017-11-27T22:49:12 < kakimir> I try to make my interface work 2017-11-27T22:49:20 < kakimir> this one will do 2017-11-27T22:51:20 < kakimir> and it's comming together - fast 2017-11-27T23:33:46 < karlp> how does one change thet shape of a kicad pour? I seem to not be able to change it's aspect, it just keeps moving the other end of the recttangle? 2017-11-27T23:39:27 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-27T23:39:31 < karlp> man, fuck that. 2017-11-27T23:41:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-27T23:44:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-27T23:44:37 < emeb> right-click on zone -> zones -> drag outline segment 2017-11-27T23:45:46 < emeb> or right-click on zone -> zones -> create corner 2017-11-27T23:46:24 < emeb> not super flexible way to edit - I like diptrace's way of editing points in the outline. --- Day changed Tue Nov 28 2017 2017-11-28T00:20:38 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T00:24:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-43e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-28T00:25:03 -!- enh 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a capable gdbserver 2017-11-28T01:30:10 < kakimir> no 2017-11-28T01:30:19 < kakimir> probs possible 2017-11-28T01:30:28 < kakimir> with some plugin 2017-11-28T01:30:32 < zyp> wat 2017-11-28T01:31:13 < kakimir> I don't seriously know 2017-11-28T01:31:30 < kakimir> I use lpcxpresso + openocd 2017-11-28T01:31:35 < kakimir> *plugin 2017-11-28T01:31:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T01:31:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-28T01:31:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T01:31:43 < zyp> oh, no idea then 2017-11-28T01:38:36 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-28T01:40:16 < kakimir> you have idea how I actually enter register values for that interrupt handler routine called in ISR? 2017-11-28T01:40:33 < kakimir> and then read those before context is switched 2017-11-28T01:40:37 < kakimir> back 2017-11-28T01:45:54 < kakimir> I 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needed to point to address to copy? 2017-11-28T03:07:05 < kakimir> or how to load registers r0-r3 2017-11-28T03:09:40 < kakimir> oh I don't have other operations in this fucntion 2017-11-28T03:09:49 < kakimir> so I can just go ahead 2017-11-28T03:11:19 < Laurenceb_> so use another register... ? 2017-11-28T03:14:50 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2017-11-28T03:16:22 < Laurenceb_> Taylor Swift's silence on the unpredictable dangers posed by artificial intelligence, and whether robots will serve, enslave or exterminate humanity is deafening. 2017-11-28T03:24:06 < upgrdman> laurence is leaking again 2017-11-28T03:28:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-28T03:30:11 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-gspzdfkzelgdxjsi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T03:55:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-28T04:13:44 -!- upgrdman 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curved shit before tho 2017-11-28T11:04:54 < invzim> anyone know how a voltmeter (really) works in terms of doing the same thing on stm32? 2017-11-28T11:06:25 < invzim> I thought I got pretty good readings until I pumped up the display frequency, and the least significant digits jump around a bit. I also know how stuff looks on a scope.. Is it an average thing that goes on and why some meteres are slow? 2017-11-28T11:20:21 < zyp> "average thing" 2017-11-28T11:20:40 < zyp> it's some sort of low pass filter 2017-11-28T11:25:11 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T11:30:57 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T11:33:15 < qyx> also stm32 adc is a SAR type, faster sampling needs better driving 2017-11-28T11:36:02 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-28T11:37:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-28T11:49:00 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T12:05:51 < Steffanx> Why so late here crt? 2017-11-28T12:06:20 < Steffanx> http://time.is/australia 2017-11-28T12:12:32 < karlp> emeb to the rescue while I sleep 2017-11-28T12:12:44 < karlp> and never around for me to thank when I'm awake 2017-11-28T12:17:45 < karlp> are you a happy one nation voter today crt? ;) 2017-11-28T12:24:05 < karlp> loser 2017-11-28T12:35:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-28T12:40:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T12:45:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-28T13:16:36 < ReadErr> you enroll ? 2017-11-28T13:20:03 < tr0ubl3> Ah just when I thought I had fixed the kicad crashing bug another one has come back! this time pcbnew crashes whenver I zoom out. Great! 2017-11-28T13:31:45 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T13:36:56 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-28T13:38:43 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T13:53:32 < tr0ubl3> Is this legit http://www.peoplesproject.com/en/ is the ukranian army actually crowdfunded wut 2017-11-28T13:55:55 < jpa-> which ukraine army? 2017-11-28T13:56:16 < tr0ubl3> I dont know the english isnt great on the page 2017-11-28T14:16:50 < kakimir> jpa-: hello 2017-11-28T14:17:11 < jpa-> hi 2017-11-28T14:17:26 < kakimir> I want to do a trick with m3 2017-11-28T14:18:22 < kakimir> save some registers for rom based uart send line 2017-11-28T14:18:43 < kakimir> after it has been called 2017-11-28T14:18:52 < jpa-> "trick: (slang) An act of prostitution." this kind of trick? 2017-11-28T14:19:03 < kakimir> kinda 2017-11-28T14:19:29 < kakimir> then when ISR is called every time place those stored values back 2017-11-28T14:20:01 < kakimir> and when rom handler call inside ISR ends it stores something 2017-11-28T14:20:18 < jpa-> nothing you're saying is making sense 2017-11-28T14:20:25 < jpa-> what's the goal? 2017-11-28T14:21:10 < kakimir> I'm not sure what but tx wont work without while(!transmission_complete) right after rom based send line call 2017-11-28T14:21:35 < kakimir> so I assume it has something to do with registers 2017-11-28T14:21:38 < jpa-> what is "rom based send line call"? 2017-11-28T14:21:53 < kakimir> rom implementation of send line 2017-11-28T14:22:10 < qyx> why are you even trying to get the rom thing working? 2017-11-28T14:22:20 < kakimir> because I'm so close 2017-11-28T14:22:37 < jpa-> it all sounds too stupid 2017-11-28T14:22:44 < kakimir> it is 2017-11-28T14:22:49 < qyx> so trash it 2017-11-28T14:22:52 < jpa-> yeah 2017-11-28T14:22:53 < kakimir> but entertain the idea 2017-11-28T14:22:58 < jpa-> not like you need rom to print a line 2017-11-28T14:23:46 < kakimir> it is so elegant else but for context contamination of tx functionality 2017-11-28T14:24:29 < jpa-> so check registers with debugger before and after the call and check if it is actually doing something wrong? 2017-11-28T14:26:37 < kakimir> I planned to 2017-11-28T14:26:53 < kakimir> it outputs random number of chars 2017-11-28T14:26:58 < kakimir> usually only one 2017-11-28T14:27:10 < kakimir> sometimes 2-3 2017-11-28T14:31:53 < kakimir> how do you even copy the whole set of registers when you need to load address to at least one of them? 2017-11-28T14:32:28 < kakimir> like in your example code for fault capturing 2017-11-28T14:32:36 < kakimir> jpa-: 2017-11-28T14:34:38 < Ultrasauce> i hear there's this cool thing called a stack 2017-11-28T14:38:02 < kakimir> ye 2017-11-28T14:41:32 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-28T14:43:25 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T14:55:29 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/gogreen18/status/934918993663598592 2017-11-28T14:55:31 < Laurenceb> w e w 2017-11-28T14:56:48 < Laurenceb> radfem went MRA 2017-11-28T14:57:31 < Laurenceb> https://pics.me.me/horseshoe-theory-2016s-most-important-revelation-this-is-a-deceptively-25239988.png 2017-11-28T14:57:37 < Laurenceb> horseshoe theory is real 2017-11-28T15:03:50 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T15:09:24 < kakimir> I see 2017-11-28T15:19:00 < BrainDamage> i would say spotted laurenceb's os, but obviously the homour is too tasteful https://aloonix.neocities.org/ 2017-11-28T15:19:41 < Laurenceb> I liek dis 2017-11-28T15:20:25 < Laurenceb> https://aloonix.neocities.org/aloonix-de3.png 2017-11-28T15:38:45 < Laurenceb> the chemicals in the water turning the friggin frogs gay 2017-11-28T15:55:14 < tpw_rules> https://i.imgur.com/sk69MWl.jpg 2017-11-28T15:55:27 < Thorn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405783/why-does-man-print-gimme-gimme-gimme-at-0030 2017-11-28T16:00:21 < tpw_rules> quality free software 2017-11-28T16:04:59 < karlp> that's like, easily three week old news Thorn ,) 2017-11-28T16:06:17 < Laurenceb> oh wow 2017-11-28T16:06:32 < karlp> tpw_rules: nice fetish wear 2017-11-28T16:07:27 < Laurenceb> Jordan Peterson makes around $70,000 per MONTH from Patreon alone 2017-11-28T16:07:29 < Laurenceb> woah 2017-11-28T16:08:11 < Laurenceb> I should become a famous troll 2017-11-28T16:09:09 < tpw_rules> > cultral critic 2017-11-28T16:20:54 < kakimir> reply from jubb 2017-11-28T16:21:06 < kakimir> they are interested 2017-11-28T16:22:12 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T16:37:38 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-28T16:39:45 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T17:00:27 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T17:00:31 -!- munki_ [munki@blogging.is.nigga.technology] has quit [K-Lined] 2017-11-28T17:24:19 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T17:36:12 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T17:49:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T17:50:53 -!- noonien [uid162445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpddspbslzchcqor] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2017-11-28T17:51:12 < englishman> Duro™ is now shipping! Earlier this year, Swift Navigation announced Duro—a ruggedized version of the Piksi® Multi dual-frequency, RTK GNSS receiver 2017-11-28T17:51:14 < englishman> oh boy cant wait 2017-11-28T17:51:30 < englishman> $2500 2017-11-28T17:51:56 < kakimir> recommend realterm replacement? 2017-11-28T17:52:08 < kakimir> realterm is quite grude 2017-11-28T17:52:37 < englishman> putty 2017-11-28T17:52:40 < kakimir> I don't think it renders my ascii art properly eather even when I try to use fixed fonts 2017-11-28T17:52:43 < englishman> coolterm 2017-11-28T17:52:50 < englishman> wait, for irc? 2017-11-28T17:54:45 < kakimir> for my serial interface 2017-11-28T17:57:08 < kakimir> okay problem is with string 2017-11-28T17:57:28 < kakimir> there is a lot of \ and those come out wrong 2017-11-28T17:57:43 < kakimir> that is why compiler whines about them 2017-11-28T17:57:53 < kakimir> coolterm seems cool englishman 2017-11-28T17:57:58 < englishman> it is 2017-11-28T17:58:16 < kakimir> what if I only want \r\n but everything else disabled for string? 2017-11-28T18:01:34 < kakimir> how do I manually disable all potential escape sequences in string? 2017-11-28T18:01:40 -!- [1]MrMobius [~MrMobius@c-68-45-74-146.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T18:01:50 < kakimir> if I remember correctly I need to add something into string 2017-11-28T18:02:02 < kakimir> next or around those \ 2017-11-28T18:03:20 < kakimir> okay it was just adding another \ 2017-11-28T18:04:04 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@c-68-45-74-146.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-28T18:04:37 < tr0ubl3> do you think this looks dumb if so why https://i.imgur.com/gQxoqH1.png 2017-11-28T18:04:56 < englishman> kicad 2017-11-28T18:05:46 < qyx> the acs 2017-11-28T18:05:57 < qyx> how much current is going to flow there 2017-11-28T18:06:29 < qyx> aha those are only signal pins 2017-11-28T18:07:17 < tr0ubl3> up to 60a but I couldnt be bothered to make a 3d model for it 2017-11-28T18:09:20 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@c-68-45-74-146.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T18:11:28 -!- [1]MrMobius [~MrMobius@c-68-45-74-146.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-28T18:14:54 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-28T18:15:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T18:16:01 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oNDhtq_D5xNSBlqieTKwwS5IrSga1SqO/view?usp=sharing 2017-11-28T18:16:24 < kakimir> no support for that erase button 2017-11-28T18:16:33 < kakimir> right above enter button 2017-11-28T18:18:47 < englishman> i was in the newpaper today https://i.imgur.com/yXD49qJ.jpg 2017-11-28T18:19:05 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T18:21:35 < kakimir> that is some wall street journal theme pages? 2017-11-28T18:21:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-28T18:22:32 < Laurenceb> >execute his vision 2017-11-28T18:22:36 < Laurenceb> buzzword++ 2017-11-28T18:22:46 < kakimir> I didn't know you had vision englishman 2017-11-28T18:23:07 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T18:23:47 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-28T18:46:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T18:49:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-28T18:50:23 -!- akawolf [~akawolf@restream.net.dfw.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-28T18:50:42 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T18:59:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-28T19:02:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T19:02:51 < englishman> angry email sent to SAP re: requiring flash in 2017 2017-11-28T19:05:11 < Laurenceb> the current year 2017-11-28T19:05:41 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T19:08:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T19:11:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-28T19:12:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T19:13:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-28T19:16:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T19:18:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-28T19:25:27 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/matterport/Mask_RCNN 2017-11-28T19:25:29 < Laurenceb> noice 2017-11-28T19:26:55 < kakimir> can I debug thru rom based program one instruction at the time even when I don't see the disassembly 2017-11-28T19:26:58 < kakimir> ? 2017-11-28T19:30:04 < Laurenceb> le epin trawl 2017-11-28T19:30:16 < Laurenceb> >too dumb to use python 2017-11-28T19:30:27 < Laurenceb> thats liek being too dumb to use arduino 2017-11-28T19:30:45 < BrainDamage> python requires whitespace discipline, something you have largely demonstrated you can't do 2017-11-28T19:33:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T19:38:03 < Laurenceb> I wonder if Megan will get preggerz and birth some Kangz 2017-11-28T19:41:32 < kakimir> okay I need to learn how to pack binaries 2017-11-28T19:42:58 < kakimir> 70% of program space used 2017-11-28T19:43:21 < Laurenceb> pack binaries?! 2017-11-28T19:43:26 < Laurenceb> what are u doing 2017-11-28T19:44:28 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-28T19:46:04 < Laurenceb> did you know that Triceratops evolved 3 horns on its head to increase the number of partners at once facesitting 2017-11-28T19:58:13 < kakimir> hah I added second function 2017-11-28T19:58:16 < kakimir> *task 2017-11-28T19:58:23 < kakimir> and I ran out of memmory 2017-11-28T19:58:39 < kakimir> my command table thing is in ram generated runtime 2017-11-28T19:58:49 < kakimir> with descriptions 2017-11-28T19:59:11 < kakimir> I need to get those strings out of ram 2017-11-28T19:59:13 < kakimir> blah 2017-11-28T20:06:33 < Kug3lis> If anyone interested, I just make automatic mirroring for STM32cube's https://github.com/STM32cube it will be updated from main site daily 2017-11-28T20:07:01 < Kug3lis> made* 2017-11-28T20:07:10 < englishman> nice 2017-11-28T20:07:20 < englishman> that'll be helpful yeah thanks 2017-11-28T20:07:49 < Kug3lis> Yeah, I wanted something git'able for my project boilerplate 2017-11-28T20:08:40 < Kug3lis> I am putting frankenstein for boilerplate so that I would just select mcu in config and I would pull all necessary cube files and etc 2017-11-28T20:09:06 < Kug3lis> P.S. STM32cubeF7 has hex files with other 100MB... 2017-11-28T20:09:15 < kakimir> no actually didn't run out of ram when I inspected it throughtly 2017-11-28T20:09:44 < kakimir> why is ram initialized in this A5 A5 pattern? 2017-11-28T20:09:55 < kakimir> assuming all that is unused ram 2017-11-28T20:11:33 < Kug3lis> P.S. stm32f0 is so low cost that its sometimes cheaper than doing some analog/digital logics 2017-11-28T20:12:29 -!- munki_ [munki@fm.synthte.ch] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T20:12:57 < englishman> wait til you see what stm8 costs 2017-11-28T20:14:38 < kakimir> there is some priority bit bullshit 2017-11-28T20:14:59 < kakimir> that causes hardfault 2017-11-28T20:16:06 < Kug3lis> Is really different to program those than stm32? For 8 bit I usually use just avr but avr is bit on expensive side 2017-11-28T20:17:30 < Kug3lis> GCC does not support stm8? 2017-11-28T20:17:36 < englishman> yes and no, it's a different compiler of course, and not supported in keil 2017-11-28T20:17:51 < englishman> thankfully, you have a free, professional compiler for stm8. you don't have to use opensource crap 2017-11-28T20:18:05 < Kug3lis> I am on OSX :D 2017-11-28T20:18:22 < Steffanx> Free until cosmic decides to make it non-free englishman -_- 2017-11-28T20:19:02 < Kug3lis> Can someone mention the name of that amazing compiler? 2017-11-28T20:19:17 < Steffanx> http://www.cosmic-software.com/stm8.php 2017-11-28T20:19:22 < Steffanx> better? 2017-11-28T20:19:26 < Steffanx> *even better 2017-11-28T20:19:43 < englishman> http://www.cosmic-software.com/download.php 2017-11-28T20:20:13 < kakimir> how pl2303hx usb-uart converter works for you guise? 2017-11-28T20:20:21 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-28T20:20:28 -!- superbia was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [this is a christian channel. no swearing] 2017-11-28T20:20:35 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2017-11-28T20:20:54 < Steffanx> lol englishman. You bastard. 2017-11-28T20:21:00 < kakimir> christian channel :] 2017-11-28T20:21:41 < Steffanx> You dont call your fellow ##stm32 mates a faggot, kakimir. You just dont 2017-11-28T20:21:43 < Steffanx> Brother. 2017-11-28T20:21:47 < kakimir> hallelujah brothers 2017-11-28T20:21:57 < kakimir> Steffanx: true 2017-11-28T20:22:07 < kakimir> that will cross the line 2017-11-28T20:22:11 < Steffanx> Yes 2017-11-28T20:23:21 < Kug3lis> After looking at screenshoots of that Cosmic (coming from high level IDE's) looks like something from 80's :D 2017-11-28T20:23:43 < Steffanx> keil in 2017 doesnt look better. 2017-11-28T20:23:49 < englishman> thankfully there has been no need for advancement 2017-11-28T20:23:54 < englishman> in UI 2017-11-28T20:24:02 < Kug3lis> I use CLion 2017-11-28T20:24:06 < englishman> case in point 2017-11-28T20:24:23 < Steffanx> You millenials will never understand, englishman 2017-11-28T20:24:58 < Steffanx> You just need the compiler, no need to use the ide anyway. 2017-11-28T20:25:13 < Steffanx> Sadly ST visual develop is ancient too 2017-11-28T20:25:35 < PaulFertser> Kug3lis: there's sdcc, it supports stm8 2017-11-28T20:25:47 < Kug3lis> Yeah I saw it :) 2017-11-28T20:25:48 < PaulFertser> Kug3lis: and with stlink and openocd you can have on chip debug for that. 2017-11-28T20:25:58 < Steffanx> Is SDCC even a real mature compiler? 2017-11-28T20:25:59 < BrainDamage> maybe we should make englishman an honorary millennial 2017-11-28T20:26:09 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, it's opensource crap. 2017-11-28T20:26:32 < Steffanx> Same category as GCC, PaulFertser? 2017-11-28T20:26:43 < Steffanx> Not sure if dongs talking or PaulFertser. 2017-11-28T20:26:48 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Stm8_code_size 2017-11-28T20:27:38 < PaulFertser> And there's a webpage with more details linked from the top of this. 2017-11-28T20:28:35 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: heh no need to say more 2017-11-28T20:28:46 < Kug3lis> Lol by stm8cubemx the chip which I need 10adc 1 i2c and 1 uart the smallest case 48pin and price 1.5$ stm32 smallest 28pin cost 0.8$... 2017-11-28T20:29:04 < Kug3lis> Cost of 1 unit from store 2017-11-28T20:29:06 < englishman> check the qfn20, i got some for .22 2017-11-28T20:30:06 < Steffanx> real pros get the pre-programmed. 2017-11-28T20:30:32 < Kug3lis> https://gyazo.com/73ff3f34ef182842ef77d8110a93bb43 2017-11-28T20:30:34 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I am not sure but are the sdcc results really that bad so it's not worth even trying? 2017-11-28T20:32:41 < Steffanx> nah maybe PaulFertser. 2017-11-28T20:35:24 < Fleck> is openocd opensource PaulFertser? 2017-11-28T20:35:37 < Fleck> yes... so also crap? 2017-11-28T20:36:16 < Steffanx> Yes, because master dongs says so. 2017-11-28T20:36:16 < PaulFertser> Fleck: come on 2017-11-28T20:36:31 < PaulFertser> Fleck: on this channel everything that's opensource is crap by definition 2017-11-28T20:36:51 < Fleck> only dongs suckups say so 2017-11-28T20:37:34 < Steffanx> Had a bad day you too? 2017-11-28T20:37:37 < Steffanx> *two 2017-11-28T20:38:36 < PaulFertser> Fleck: and btw, I'm not pro-opensource, I do not care about this marketing term. I am a free software enthusiast. 2017-11-28T20:41:01 < Fleck> PaulFertser: I have no problem with pro-opensourcers and/or opensource enthusiast :) 2017-11-28T20:43:15 < Steffanx> Sometimes i get the idea everyone here is just trolling and then dont know anymore who is trolling who :P 2017-11-28T20:45:57 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: after the flexible coupler adjustment and the z-axis roller bolts loosing stuff seems to go fairly well :) 2017-11-28T20:46:14 < Laurenceb> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WnL7RWItNcM/Tdg_BRcSZ1I/AAAAAAAAAAM/sX4fJ_BLPyE/s1600/Trolls+trolling.gif 2017-11-28T20:46:19 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: oh, nice. Have you printed anything useful yet? 2017-11-28T20:46:39 < Steffanx> Not really useful, no. Just some dog toy thingies for my dad :) 2017-11-28T20:47:13 < Steffanx> I remade something now made of wood that costs a fortune to replace. Now it's just some small amount of printing time. 2017-11-28T20:47:23 < Steffanx> *that was orginally made of wood 2017-11-28T20:47:50 < BrainDamage> ... you give dog treats to your father? 2017-11-28T20:48:20 < Steffanx> i love you too BrainDamage. 2017-11-28T20:50:50 < Steffanx> Next time when i need some of that i'll ask for some hentai BrainDamage :P 2017-11-28T20:52:25 < BrainDamage> covering that fetish is going to be hard, but it's a challenge I'm willing to pick up 2017-11-28T20:55:35 < Steffanx> You had some practice. I know that. 2017-11-28T20:56:23 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/QbJuMz0 2017-11-28T20:56:27 < Laurenceb> some printing 4 u 2017-11-28T20:58:24 < Steffanx> Does the ring need to be flexible mr Laurenceb/ 2017-11-28T20:58:32 < Laurenceb> yes 2017-11-28T20:58:36 < Laurenceb> SLS nylon 2017-11-28T20:58:47 < Steffanx> oh, PaulFertser does that. I dont do nylon. 2017-11-28T20:59:06 < Laurenceb> yeah I'm going to pay expensive place to make it 2017-11-28T20:59:23 < Steffanx> Did i understand it right that you have to bake nylon filament before you use it, because it likes H2O a bit too much? 2017-11-28T20:59:37 < Laurenceb> probably 2017-11-28T21:00:34 < Steffanx> Im still not sure what it is supposed to be. First thing that came to mind was "cock ring", but .. somehow i think you posted something more serious this time. 2017-11-28T21:00:59 < Laurenceb> its a clamp thingy for connecting stuff to tubes 2017-11-28T21:01:28 < Steffanx> That still fits my first thought. 2017-11-28T21:01:37 < Laurenceb> lel 2017-11-28T21:01:56 < kakimir> is there some define in cm3 or cmsis for lowest priority possible for current chip? 2017-11-28T21:02:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T21:03:00 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: well, that trimmer line I used gave decent results. Some water is good for layer adhesion actually. Only if you need a really smooth surface you'll need to bake it. 2017-11-28T21:03:17 < kakimir> my chip has 3 prio bits 2017-11-28T21:03:55 < kakimir> can I derive lowest priority from that? 2017-11-28T21:04:05 < PaulFertser> iirc there was some method like write all ones, read back... 2017-11-28T21:04:43 < PaulFertser> On stm32 4 higher bits are used for priority. So the lowest would be 0x10. 2017-11-28T21:05:16 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: you can buy metal screw clamp rings for pipes for less than a dollar here, does it have to be nylon? 2017-11-28T21:05:47 < Laurenceb> yeah maybe I could make an adaptor for jubille clips 2017-11-28T21:05:55 < Laurenceb> I dunno lol 2017-11-28T21:07:37 < kakimir> Eight programmable interrupt priority levels with hardware priority level masking 2017-11-28T21:08:34 < kakimir> so my minimum priority level in freertos needs to be 0x7 instead of 0x1f 2017-11-28T21:09:39 < kakimir> any recommends of placing configLIBRARY_MAX_SYSCALL_INTERRUPT_PRIORITY to right place? 2017-11-28T21:10:00 < kakimir> when I have 8 interrupt priority levels 2017-11-28T21:10:34 < kakimir> what do I need to take account of? 2017-11-28T21:15:46 < kakimir> tick works at configLIBRARY_MAX_SYSCALL_INTERRUPT_PRIORITY priority level? 2017-11-28T21:21:28 < Steffanx> and you, mr PaulFertser, printed something useful? :) 2017-11-28T21:22:38 < Steffanx> something must see that is 2017-11-28T21:22:45 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: kinda, a thing to connect a selfie-stick to a tripod for my friend 2017-11-28T21:23:04 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: also, a tail motor holder for my microheli. 2017-11-28T21:24:18 < PaulFertser> Plenty of enchancements for the printer itself (vibration dampers, frame stiffeners, belt tensioner) 2017-11-28T21:25:14 < Steffanx> I still have to do that. 2017-11-28T21:26:28 < Steffanx> The dampers and tensioners that is 2017-11-28T21:29:34 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T21:36:11 < kakimir> I'll download the latest freertos now steff papa 2017-11-28T21:37:48 < englishman> this is what using closed source software leads to https://i.imgur.com/uXC5Wo5.jpg 2017-11-28T21:38:33 < kakimir> dongsmobile 2017-11-28T21:39:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-28T21:40:08 < upgrdman> Steffanx: kinda, a thing to connect a selfie-stick to a tripod for my friend 2017-11-28T21:40:14 < upgrdman> like a manfrotto magic arm? 2017-11-28T21:40:24 < upgrdman> i wasnt reading earlier, so i may be way off base 2017-11-28T21:40:42 < upgrdman> i have a magic arm + super clamp. very happy with them. 2017-11-28T21:41:13 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: just seek through https://youtube.com/watch?v=I4BcdbjVxwA , you'll see. It's a really simple thingie, not worth mentioning actually. 2017-11-28T21:41:21 < upgrdman> o ok 2017-11-28T21:45:40 -!- CWiz [~cipherwiz@216.21.169.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-28T21:46:36 < aandrew> PaulFertser: prio 0 isn't lower than prio 1? 2017-11-28T21:47:30 < PaulFertser> aandrew: I do not remember exactly, sorry. There're alse basepri, primask and iirc 0 had some special meaning there. 2017-11-28T21:49:14 < PaulFertser> aandrew: ARM v7-M Architecture Application Level Reference Manual (ARM DDI 0405A-01) p. B3-6, Cortex-M3 Technical Reference Manual (ARM DDI 0337E) p. 5-8 2017-11-28T21:49:27 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@216.21.169.52] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T22:00:41 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/vuTYdu1 2017-11-28T22:01:11 < Laurenceb> now I have to redesign for jubille clip attachement... 2017-11-28T22:17:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-28T22:21:54 -!- Guest68873 [~quassel@p2003006B0B28440002163EFFFEFE4CEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2017-11-28T22:34:57 < Steffanx> Better get SolidWorks up and running Laurenceb 2017-11-28T22:37:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T22:37:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-28T22:43:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2017-11-28T22:47:44 < BrainDamage> https://twitter.com/lemiorhan/status/935578694541770752 2017-11-28T22:55:02 < Steffanx> lol 2017-11-28T22:58:59 < BrainDamage> OLD 2017-11-28T23:00:06 < zyp> wat 2017-11-28T23:22:23 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T23:31:21 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T23:31:21 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-28T23:31:21 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-28T23:41:58 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Day changed Wed Nov 29 2017 2017-11-29T00:06:14 < upgrdman> is there a math function like modulo but that smoothly wrap backward/fowards. e.g. instead of a shape lile ////// it would looks like /\/\/\/\ 2017-11-29T00:17:34 < englishman> https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/28/astonishing-os-x-bug-lets-anyone-log-into-a-high-sierra-machine/ 2017-11-29T00:22:30 < karlp> wasn't this the same thing that was like a month or two ago? 2017-11-29T00:24:31 < englishman> no idea 2017-11-29T00:24:42 < englishman> there's another one? 2017-11-29T00:27:23 < karlp> might have been thinking of thtis one https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/25/macos-high-sierra-security-vulnerability/ 2017-11-29T00:27:47 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-29T00:27:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T00:28:34 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-29T00:28:41 < zyp> upgrdman, integers or real numbers? 2017-11-29T00:28:59 < upgrdman> real 2017-11-29T00:29:15 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T00:32:34 < zyp> upgrdman, https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y%3D(x+*+(-1)%5Efloor(x))+mod+1 2017-11-29T00:49:56 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-29T00:51:40 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T00:53:13 < Laurenceb_> Kang Harry 2017-11-29T00:57:20 < kakimir> it would have been really challenging to start freertos project without skeleton 2017-11-29T00:57:32 < Laurenceb_> no shit 2017-11-29T00:57:37 < Laurenceb_> thats why you use chibios 2017-11-29T00:57:53 < kakimir> sources are like here you go.. pick all the files you assume you need 2017-11-29T00:58:01 < kakimir> spread across source 2017-11-29T00:58:38 < kakimir> mem manage, cm3, common 2017-11-29T01:03:16 < kakimir> yep.. 8.0 -> 9.0 still hardfaults 2017-11-29T01:04:30 < kakimir> now I need to find proper FreeRTOSconfig.h 2017-11-29T01:04:34 < kakimir> for my chip 2017-11-29T01:06:02 < Steffanx> Lol you tried kakimir \o/ 2017-11-29T01:06:44 < kakimir> I wonder if my heap size is adequate 2017-11-29T01:07:02 < Steffanx> You can also go full static, then you dont need the memory management stuff (i think) 2017-11-29T01:07:11 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T01:07:21 < kakimir> probs heap5.c 2017-11-29T01:07:45 < kakimir> it said something you can set addresses etc. 2017-11-29T01:09:33 < Steffanx> I meant dont use the functions that require dynamic memory management, but use the *Static functions 2017-11-29T01:10:29 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T01:15:05 < Kug3lis> Yay finally got cmake working with stm32 2017-11-29T01:15:12 < upgrdman> jadew: lol, isnt this the DMM you bought for your son? https://hackaday.com/2017/11/28/the-worst-piece-of-test-equipment-youve-got-to-try-hacking/ 2017-11-29T01:15:18 < upgrdman> fuck, he's not here 2017-11-29T01:16:35 < Steffanx> Language, upgrdman .. 2017-11-29T01:16:46 < upgrdman> :/ ok 2017-11-29T01:18:09 < Steffanx> :P 2017-11-29T01:32:41 < kakimir> http://www.support.code-red-tech.com/CodeRedWiki/DebugHardFault 2017-11-29T01:33:43 < kakimir> I wonder what the difference is to jpas code 2017-11-29T01:33:49 < kakimir> jpa's 2017-11-29T01:34:27 < kakimir> jpa code just copies msp to SP and then starts storing values from registers 2017-11-29T01:34:39 < kakimir> this has this pile of assembly 2017-11-29T01:35:25 < kakimir> and calls whole seperate funtion for copying it 2017-11-29T01:40:29 < kakimir> is there such assembly decoder for learners? that would show meanings of assembly instructions and parameters? 2017-11-29T01:40:43 < kakimir> just read them open 2017-11-29T01:42:32 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-42-5.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T02:01:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-29T02:10:51 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@185.65.135.167] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T02:24:59 < kakimir> I'm learning machine code 2017-11-29T02:25:09 < kakimir> asm* 2017-11-29T02:25:29 < upgrdman> i was gonna say... writing code with a hex editor? lol 2017-11-29T02:26:18 < englishman> this is all bill gates and paul allen needed to write software https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81YITYBlBCL._SX355_.jpg 2017-11-29T02:27:50 < Laurenceb_> is that a castration device? 2017-11-29T02:28:16 < Laurenceb_> if ur name is Leo u code in raw thumb2 on sheets of paper 2017-11-29T02:28:23 < Laurenceb_> literally russians 2017-11-29T02:29:15 < upgrdman> trollenceb must have really small balls if he thinks that's a "castration device" 2017-11-29T02:29:22 < Laurenceb_> the home of Leo http://www.msu.ru/info/himg/gz5.jpg 2017-11-29T02:29:25 < Laurenceb_> top trawl 2017-11-29T02:30:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-29T02:30:55 < kakimir> I wonder if tech billionares stop coding when they are saturated with money 2017-11-29T02:31:23 < kakimir> and whatever meetings and ceo jubbs 2017-11-29T02:31:56 < kakimir> learns a bit of asm -> planning the future already 2017-11-29T02:32:54 < kakimir> why does freertos use software intrrupts? 2017-11-29T02:33:08 < kakimir> what for 2017-11-29T02:33:28 < kakimir> to gain higher priority or something? 2017-11-29T02:33:46 < kakimir> but doesn't it already have like rit interrupt 2017-11-29T02:35:15 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-42-5.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-29T02:35:52 < Laurenceb_> oh shit I just realised something 2017-11-29T02:36:16 < Laurenceb_> Leo hasnt been on irc much since ~mid 2016 2017-11-29T02:36:27 < Laurenceb_> >implying he was busy doing something else 2017-11-29T02:37:53 < Laurenceb_> http://www.informationliberation.com/files/hackerman-putin.jpg 2017-11-29T02:39:07 < tpw_rules> kakimir: user/kernel switch? 2017-11-29T02:40:40 < englishman> since aadamson's balloon launched? :) 2017-11-29T02:42:22 < Thorn> who the *** are http://ncepower.com/ 2017-11-29T02:42:35 < Thorn> they make NCE9926 which seems to be a ripoff of FDS9926 2017-11-29T02:42:45 < Thorn> 2xN SO8 mosfet 2017-11-29T02:44:22 < kakimir> tpw_rules: oh 2017-11-29T02:44:33 < kakimir> I undestand it now 2017-11-29T02:45:14 < kakimir> when you call some sys functions 2017-11-29T02:45:32 < kakimir> there would be a software interrupt somewhee 2017-11-29T02:46:49 < tpw_rules> ye 2017-11-29T02:46:49 < Thorn> actually the specs are even a little better than fairchild 2017-11-29T02:49:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T02:50:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T02:50:48 < kakimir> who is leo? 2017-11-29T02:51:05 < Laurenceb_> le epin balloon guy 2017-11-29T02:51:10 < Laurenceb_> well until aadamson 2017-11-29T02:51:23 < Laurenceb_> aadamson is new le epin balloon guy 2017-11-29T02:53:52 < Laurenceb_> my freaking sides https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/11/28/2148257/tesla-owners-are-mining-bitcoins-with-free-power-from-charging-stations 2017-11-29T02:54:20 < Laurenceb_> this gives me an ebil idea 2017-11-29T02:54:36 < Laurenceb_> there is "free" power in uk streetlight poles 2017-11-29T02:54:36 < aandrew> hahaha 2017-11-29T02:54:44 < aandrew> that's actually pretty smart 2017-11-29T02:55:00 < Laurenceb_> make a tubular bitcoin miner thats shoved up the middle of the pole 2017-11-29T02:55:06 < Laurenceb_> from the inspection cover 2017-11-29T02:55:11 < aandrew> gonna load up my Civic with mining rigs, slap an "e" in front of the logo and drive around mining 2017-11-29T02:57:44 * Laurenceb_ wonders if anyone would notice excessively hot street furniture 2017-11-29T02:58:39 < aandrew> in the winter it'd be welcome 2017-11-29T03:00:38 < sync> Laurenceb_: the maintainance people probably 2017-11-29T03:00:56 < Laurenceb_> yeah but how often do they check whats in the middle of the pole 2017-11-29T03:01:16 < Laurenceb_> I bet you could make an embedded miner 2017-11-29T03:02:04 < aandrew> if it doesn't have a logo consisting of a gnarly looking gnome with a pickaxe peeking out of a hole I will be sorely disappointed 2017-11-29T03:02:20 < sync> probably not that often realistically 2017-11-29T03:02:46 < aandrew> I bet they never look at the things unless it's time to change the bulb or someting's gone wrong 2017-11-29T03:02:56 < Laurenceb_> uk poles have a cover that fixes on with simple clips, then a standard circuit breaker inside 2017-11-29T03:03:05 < aandrew> there's a light post right outside my house, I discoered I can shine a laser at the light sensor to turn the fucking thing off 2017-11-29T03:03:07 < Laurenceb_> aiui they flip the breaker to change the bulb 2017-11-29T03:03:12 < Laurenceb_> heh 2017-11-29T03:03:30 < sync> if it is lp sodium you can just kick it out 2017-11-29T03:03:37 < sync> or mercury 2017-11-29T03:03:49 < Laurenceb_> you could wire in to the bulb side of the breaker and stick the miner higher up the tube 2017-11-29T03:03:57 < Laurenceb_> ebil :P 2017-11-29T03:04:18 < sync> well, it depends on how they do it 2017-11-29T03:04:24 < sync> most of them are always connected 2017-11-29T03:04:24 < Laurenceb_> do miners need to have continual web access? 2017-11-29T03:04:47 < sync> with some remote control shit 2017-11-29T03:04:49 < sync> yes 2017-11-29T03:04:51 < sync> but you could do PLC 2017-11-29T03:04:52 < Laurenceb_> doh 2017-11-29T03:05:00 < sync> on the low impedance mains #yoyo 2017-11-29T03:05:03 < Laurenceb_> that makes it annoying 2017-11-29T03:05:04 < Laurenceb_> heh 2017-11-29T03:05:24 < sync> but I mean, it is shielded, so it is all fine :D 2017-11-29T03:10:19 < sync> interestingly the CE declaration of PLC devices states that because of the differential nature of the signal transmission interference with other devices is impossible 2017-11-29T03:13:04 < dongs> hey invzim did you ever get a 3d model for that china microsd 2017-11-29T03:14:08 < Laurenceb_> >3d model 2017-11-29T03:14:12 < Laurenceb_> >microsd 2017-11-29T03:14:13 < Laurenceb_> lulwut 2017-11-29T03:15:05 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2017-11-29T03:15:45 < MrMobius> Laurenceb, you can just walk casually by and link to your miner over bluetooth like gas pump skim scanners do 2017-11-29T03:17:03 < sync> well, I would probably do PLC 2017-11-29T03:17:28 < aandrew> yeah I'd do it wireless. hell you could get cell modems that'd work fine in concrete posts 2017-11-29T03:17:33 < aandrew> metal ones might also work 2017-11-29T03:19:35 < Laurenceb_> some uk posts have GRP inspection covers 2017-11-29T03:19:52 < Laurenceb_> I sense a new blackmarket product 2017-11-29T03:20:15 < Laurenceb_> "coinpole" 2017-11-29T03:22:34 < sync> well you need to shove it in deep 2017-11-29T03:22:41 < sync> so that it can stay hidden 2017-11-29T03:22:49 < Laurenceb_> thats what she said 2017-11-29T03:27:31 < upgrdman> a little lube might help 2017-11-29T03:27:40 < upgrdman> for when you need to shove it in deep 2017-11-29T03:28:29 < Laurenceb_> inb4 LGBTLPS 2017-11-29T03:28:37 < Laurenceb_> Lamp Post Sexual 2017-11-29T03:29:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2017-11-29T03:30:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/solution-evaluation-tools/sensor-solution-eval-boards/steval-bcnkt01v1.html?icmp=tt6060_gl_bn_nov2017 2017-11-29T03:30:16 < Laurenceb_> interesting device 2017-11-29T03:30:27 < Laurenceb_> not sure itd actually be useful for anything :P 2017-11-29T03:35:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-29T03:45:37 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b4350d2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T03:46:35 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b4350d2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T04:36:52 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T04:45:39 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2017-11-29T04:46:56 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T04:48:00 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T04:50:06 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-14-244.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T04:52:08 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T04:52:42 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T04:53:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-14-244.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-29T04:53:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T05:28:13 < upgrdman> typical american woman https://i.imgur.com/ImHFvWu.gifv 2017-11-29T05:33:32 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/1oam7rz99s001.jpg 2017-11-29T05:33:53 < jadew> fucking ebay trolls 2017-11-29T05:34:03 < jadew> these chinese fucks are annoying as hell 2017-11-29T05:34:11 < jadew> they put a best offer option but they decline all offers 2017-11-29T05:34:18 < jadew> no counter offers or anything 2017-11-29T05:34:43 < jadew> I offered 240 pounds for this, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T962A-Infrared-Reflow-Oven-Two-Side-Soldering-Windowed-Drawer-Micro-Processor/252721275100 2017-11-29T05:35:08 < jadew> that's a decent offer right? at least it would warrant a counter offer 2017-11-29T05:36:37 < fenugrec> I think they misunderstand the concept, they read it as "make a higher offer than BIN price" 2017-11-29T05:36:46 < jadew> heh 2017-11-29T05:37:31 < jadew> I would have bought it if he countered me 260 btw (which is the full price) 2017-11-29T05:37:41 < jadew> it would have told me that he can't go lower for whatever reason 2017-11-29T05:37:57 < jadew> but this shit? wtf... 2017-11-29T05:38:09 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/gurp9n1ift001.jpg 2017-11-29T05:38:53 < fenugrec> jadew fight the good fight : just spam him other offers incrementing by 0.01 every time 2017-11-29T05:39:09 < jadew> fenugrec, you only get 2 tries 2017-11-29T05:39:34 < jadew> I have a feeling all of the other sellers are the same guy anyway 2017-11-29T05:39:34 < fenugrec> heh, too bad. Though they often have multiple listings 2017-11-29T05:39:38 < jadew> or the same organization in china 2017-11-29T05:39:53 < jadew> yeah, they do 2017-11-29T05:40:08 < jadew> in fact, there's another guy who sells for 200 pounds, but only to the UK 2017-11-29T05:40:19 < jadew> and the shipping cost is 61 pounds lol 2017-11-29T05:40:41 < jadew> (to the UK), so basically it's the same shit 2017-11-29T05:40:52 < jadew> I bet they have a warehouse in the UK as well (they usually do) 2017-11-29T05:41:14 < jadew> there seems to be one in Germany and one in the UK 2017-11-29T05:53:50 < upgrdman> LOL https://i.imgur.com/IQGtFnE.gifv 2017-11-29T05:55:11 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T05:56:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T06:05:48 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-29T06:06:30 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T06:25:44 < branjb> anyone have experience with lwip + raw API? 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2017-11-29T09:33:14 < dongs> what hte fuckkkk 2017-11-29T09:38:25 < dongs> i guess think think if its HAL its ok 2017-11-29T09:41:12 -!- akawolf_ [~akawolf@restream.net.dfw.ru] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T09:44:37 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T09:45:03 -!- akawolf_ [~akawolf@restream.net.dfw.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-29T09:45:19 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-109-60.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T09:47:40 < dongs> what teh fuck are those half round swithes called 2017-11-29T09:47:43 < dongs> that are up/down/click 2017-11-29T09:47:51 < dongs> we had a discussion on tehse like years ago 2017-11-29T09:47:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-aee2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-29T09:48:04 < zyp> half round? 2017-11-29T09:48:09 < dongs> yes 2017-11-29T09:48:11 < dongs> usually smt also 2017-11-29T09:48:20 < dongs> like a little rocker thing 2017-11-29T09:48:25 < dongs> that you can notch up/down/]click 2017-11-29T09:48:44 < dongs> the main actuator looks like ( or whatever 2017-11-29T09:48:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-109-60.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-29T09:49:02 < dongs> fuck, found 2017-11-29T09:49:17 < dongs> push level swithc? 2017-11-29T09:49:18 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T09:49:36 < dongs> https://is.alicdn.com/img/pb/757/944/423/423944757_432.jpg 2017-11-29T09:49:49 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T09:49:51 < stvn> ~ 2017-11-29T09:49:59 < zyp> oh, those 2017-11-29T09:53:59 < stvn> did somebody mention ngr dicks 2017-11-29T09:54:57 < dongs> http://www.cnlydz.com/pro_bigpic.asp?id=44&Big_Class=11&Small_Class=0 how the fuk does this work 2017-11-29T09:55:02 < jpa-> i'd call it 3-way navigation switch 2017-11-29T09:55:04 < dongs> is it sending some kinda enoder-like graycode shit? 2017-11-29T09:55:08 < dongs> encoder 2017-11-29T09:55:39 < zyp> I call it fucking shit, I hate those 2017-11-29T09:55:44 < dongs> rly 2017-11-29T09:55:46 < rajkosto> how can a purely mechanical simple thing do that 2017-11-29T09:55:56 < dongs> i was gonna use as a new UI for shittyflasher :) 2017-11-29T09:55:57 < jpa-> dongs: nah, it just has separate switches for 11 deg and 21.5 deg 2017-11-29T09:56:01 < dongs> oh okay 2017-11-29T09:56:13 < dongs> so its actually like 4 positions left/right and a click? 2017-11-29T09:56:29 < stvn> gay code 2017-11-29T09:56:36 < jpa-> pins 1 and 4 are the 21.5 deg switch, pins 2 and 3 are the 11 deg switch, and pin Y is the push switch 2017-11-29T09:56:46 < dongs> whats the common? 2017-11-29T09:56:47 < stvn> hell yeah 2017-11-29T09:56:52 < jpa-> common is C 2017-11-29T09:56:59 < dongs> isnt that click? 2017-11-29T09:57:01 < jpa-> dongs: center, left 1, left 2, right 1, right 2; so 5 positions 2017-11-29T09:57:11 < jpa-> no, click is Y, on the right side of diagram 2017-11-29T09:57:21 < jpa-> i think 2017-11-29T09:57:33 < dongs> what a gross fuking datasheet 2017-11-29T09:57:42 < stvn> glad i have you guys here 2017-11-29T09:57:44 < dongs> oh theres 6 pins 2017-11-29T09:57:58 < dongs> 12T34C 2017-11-29T09:58:17 < zyp> I had a mp3 player or something with that shit once 2017-11-29T09:58:18 < stvn> \o/ 2017-11-29T09:58:22 < stvn> same 2017-11-29T09:58:27 < stvn> then i purchased the ipod 2017-11-29T09:58:32 < zyp> play/pause in center, then seek and skip to the sides 2017-11-29T09:58:45 < stvn> over 12 years later i still have it 2017-11-29T09:58:50 < zyp> pretty shit way to navigate 2017-11-29T09:59:04 < stvn> indeed 2017-11-29T09:59:14 < stvn> its all about the purple lezzies man 2017-11-29T09:59:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-109-60.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T10:01:25 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-109-60.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-29T10:01:49 < invzim> dongs: think I grabbed one off grabcad 2017-11-29T10:03:47 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2017-11-29T10:04:06 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=18gD7Lh2f4dxKFlpDCbou6Aj4Ge_6RJMJ 2017-11-29T10:05:11 < dongs> invzim: cool thanks, stealing 2017-11-29T10:05:26 < dongs> invzim: did you get reply to your adc question? 2017-11-29T10:05:36 < dongs> i think multimeter just averages the fuck out of it. 2017-11-29T10:05:47 < dongs> of course youll see lsb jumping all over hte place from adc. 2017-11-29T10:08:52 < dongs> god damn wat the fuck 2017-11-29T10:08:57 < dongs> its Z offset is like over 9000 2017-11-29T10:09:07 < invzim> hah 2017-11-29T10:09:08 < invzim> holdon 2017-11-29T10:11:49 < englishman> pretty sure that jog switch was a blackberry innovation 2017-11-29T10:11:56 < dongs> ill find it 2017-11-29T10:11:59 < dongs> its -125 or so 2017-11-29T10:12:06 < englishman> best way to navigate on a smartphone in 1999 2017-11-29T10:12:49 < dongs> hah, chinagirl has those exact switches 2017-11-29T10:12:52 < dongs> i gues si might a well use 2017-11-29T10:13:08 < invzim> 121.5mm offset 2017-11-29T10:14:17 < invzim> my x,y,z is 180, 270, 360(?) 2017-11-29T10:14:34 < invzim> origin center at edge of pcb 2017-11-29T10:14:40 < dongs> yeah i just got to -121.5 2017-11-29T10:14:57 < dongs> acutally thats bit low 2017-11-29T10:15:20 < ReadErr> lol 2017-11-29T10:15:21 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9xLT5RE8/AWutShit.png 2017-11-29T10:15:26 < ReadErr> my aws got hacked 2017-11-29T10:15:29 < dongs> -121.8 for me 2017-11-29T10:15:43 < dongs> ReadErr: lmaoooo 2017-11-29T10:15:45 < dongs> RIP 2017-11-29T10:15:48 < dongs> did someone buttcoin it 2017-11-29T10:15:51 < ReadErr> nah ill get it back 2017-11-29T10:16:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T10:16:13 < ReadErr> the fuck am i gonna do with 2 weeks of AWS for $8.4k 2017-11-29T10:16:14 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T10:17:02 < englishman> wow 2017-11-29T10:18:42 < ReadErr> its a major fuckup on AWS and chase 2017-11-29T10:18:56 < ReadErr> chase should have flagged it as fraud 2017-11-29T10:19:14 < ReadErr> AWS should have maybe like, hit me up 2017-11-29T10:19:32 < ReadErr> didnt have any active services with them 2017-11-29T10:20:56 < ReadErr> https://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_1027977.html 2017-11-29T10:21:02 < ReadErr> ordered this bootleg 2017-11-29T10:21:37 < ReadErr> windows 10 authorized OS 2017-11-29T10:21:43 < ReadErr> feature ^ 2017-11-29T10:23:41 < dongs> its still pirated 2017-11-29T10:24:22 < dongs> grabcad more like amateurshit 2017-11-29T10:27:03 < ReadErr> do the stylus shits work well in win10 2017-11-29T10:30:12 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T10:31:27 < ReadErr> anyone used them curved displays 2017-11-29T10:31:50 < dongs> is that what youre spending your $8k cahsb ack on 2017-11-29T10:31:57 < dongs> or did you mine $16k worht of buttcoin 2017-11-29T10:32:11 < ReadErr> huh 2017-11-29T10:32:14 < ReadErr> thats a bill 2017-11-29T10:32:15 < ReadErr> lol 2017-11-29T10:32:21 < ReadErr> which im damn sure not paying 2017-11-29T10:33:13 < dongs> invzim: bottom pegs dont match 2017-11-29T10:33:17 < dongs> ugh, what trash 2017-11-29T10:33:52 < dongs> gonna ask chiangirl 2017-11-29T10:43:09 < invzim> ONE matched :) 2017-11-29T10:44:23 < dongs> http://wwwip.3dcontentcentral.com/Download-Model.aspx?catalogid=171&id=455395 2017-11-29T10:44:25 < dongs> real one from gct 2017-11-29T10:44:32 < dongs> gonna use that 2017-11-29T10:44:34 < dongs> instead of hobby tash 2017-11-29T10:44:36 < dongs> trash 2017-11-29T10:47:26 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2017-11-29T10:47:28 < dongs> MUCH better 2017-11-29T10:48:48 < invzim> nice find 2017-11-29T10:49:03 < invzim> hm, chrome doesnæt want to remember the password for that site 2017-11-29T10:49:21 < dongs> grabcad? more like get ur dick jerked 2017-11-29T10:49:31 < dongs> anyway, 3dcontent is generally pretty solid for legit stuff 2017-11-29T10:49:33 < invzim> 3dcontencentral 2017-11-29T10:49:38 < dongs> thats an official model too 2017-11-29T10:49:52 < dongs> they have user submittd shit and some stuff from rscomponents/various manufacturers diretly 2017-11-29T10:50:06 < dongs> oh hm no that one is user made 2017-11-29T10:50:12 < dongs> anyway 2017-11-29T10:50:14 < dongs> works4me 2017-11-29T10:58:35 < invzim> yup, much better 2017-11-29T11:00:29 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/sw4LqTj.png 2017-11-29T11:08:58 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-29T11:09:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T11:14:07 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-29T11:15:25 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T11:21:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-29T12:06:58 < kakimir> when program enters hardfault 2017-11-29T12:07:07 < kakimir> what is stored in R0? 2017-11-29T12:08:12 < kakimir> nothing particular 2017-11-29T12:11:14 < kakimir> what does TST r0, r1 do? it's a compare instruction 2017-11-29T12:12:30 < zyp> "The TST instruction performs a bitwise AND operation on the value in Rn and the value of Operand2. This is the same as an ANDS instruction, except that the result is discarded." 2017-11-29T12:12:52 < zyp> it's analogous to how a CMP is usually a SUB that discards the result 2017-11-29T12:12:59 < kakimir> why does this asm code copy LR first to r1 and then TST it? 2017-11-29T12:13:22 < kakimir> instead of directly TST r0, LR 2017-11-29T12:13:25 < zyp> probably because LR is not a valid Operand2 2017-11-29T12:13:32 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-29T12:13:47 < kakimir> it can access like 8 registers? 2017-11-29T12:13:54 < zyp> I don't know if this is the case here, but a bunch of thumb instructions can only target like half of the registers 2017-11-29T12:14:00 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T12:14:05 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-29T12:14:08 < kakimir> that is what I assumed 2017-11-29T12:14:17 < zyp> yes 2017-11-29T12:14:18 < zyp> The following form of the TST instruction is available in Thumb code, and is a 16-bit instruction: 2017-11-29T12:14:21 < zyp> TST Rn, Rm 2017-11-29T12:14:23 < zyp> Rn and Rm must both be Lo registers. 2017-11-29T12:14:40 < zyp> Lo is first half or something 2017-11-29T12:14:51 < zyp> and LR is in the second half 2017-11-29T12:15:55 < kakimir> makes sense 2017-11-29T12:16:21 < kakimir> http://www.support.code-red-tech.com/CodeRedWiki/DebugHardFault this is what I'm decoding 2017-11-29T12:17:29 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T12:17:52 < zyp> wat 2017-11-29T12:18:05 < zyp> is this your first time debugging a hardfault? 2017-11-29T12:18:31 < zyp> or just curious? 2017-11-29T12:19:14 < zyp> anyway, that ASM reads obvious to me 2017-11-29T12:19:35 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2017-11-29T12:20:23 < zyp> it's checking bit 2 in EXC_RETURN (which is stored in LR) to see if the interrupted frame is stored on MSP or PSP, then passing the relevant stack pointer as argument to HardFault_HandlerC 2017-11-29T12:21:24 < zyp> ref. http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/Babefdjc.html#BABDBEII for EXC_RETURN values 2017-11-29T12:21:37 < kakimir> oh LR is used sto store EXC_RETURN 2017-11-29T12:21:54 < kakimir> that is like the question I had 2017-11-29T12:22:02 < zyp> yes, EXC_RETURN is the magic that lets ISRs use the same ABI as standard function calls 2017-11-29T12:22:41 < zyp> the normal function ABI passes the return address in LR, so when a function wants to return, it just jumps to LR 2017-11-29T12:22:44 < zyp> i.e. BX LR 2017-11-29T12:23:51 < zyp> when an interrupt happens, a lot more shit is pushed onto the stack, and must be popped during the return, so instead of putting the return address in LR, an EXC_RETURN value is passed 2017-11-29T12:24:53 < zyp> they are not valid addresses for execution, so when you try jumping to EXC_RETURN, the cpu starts the ISR return procedure and pops all the stuff it stored from stack, including the real return address 2017-11-29T12:25:19 < kakimir> oh 2017-11-29T12:25:38 < kakimir> it utilizes like hidden registers? 2017-11-29T12:25:51 < zyp> no, there's no hidden registers 2017-11-29T12:26:04 < zyp> anyway, are you familiar with the function ABI? 2017-11-29T12:26:13 < zyp> caller and callee-save registers? 2017-11-29T12:26:46 < kakimir> vaguely 2017-11-29T12:27:08 < zyp> essentially, the ABI specifies some registers as caller-save and some registers as callee-save 2017-11-29T12:27:43 < zyp> the callee-save must be preserved by a called function so that they hold the same value when returning 2017-11-29T12:28:01 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T12:28:10 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T12:28:12 < zyp> caller-save registers can be overwritten whenever, so that the caller must save them before calling if it wants to keep the values 2017-11-29T12:28:30 < zyp> this is fine for normal functions 2017-11-29T12:28:53 < zyp> but ISRs can be called at any time, which means that all registers must be preserved 2017-11-29T12:29:24 < kakimir> why MRS is called copy from coprosessor register? 2017-11-29T12:29:28 < zyp> older architectures do this by giving ISRs a special ABI that makes all registers callee-save 2017-11-29T12:29:48 < zyp> legacy, probably 2017-11-29T12:30:12 < zyp> copy from a non-core register, I'd say 2017-11-29T12:30:19 < zyp> or special register 2017-11-29T12:30:49 < zyp> so anyway 2017-11-29T12:31:13 < zyp> cortex-m has EABI-compliant ISRs because the hardware saves all caller-save registers before calling the ISR 2017-11-29T12:31:46 < zyp> and EXC_RETURN returns control to the hardware that restores all caller-save registers again 2017-11-29T12:32:44 < zyp> the exact EXC_RETURN value contains whether they were stored on MSP or PSP and whether cpu was in thread or handler mode 2017-11-29T12:33:13 < zyp> so when your hardfault handler wants to look at the stack, it needs to check whether it should look on MSP or PSP 2017-11-29T12:34:52 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T12:35:03 < kakimir> I think I understood 2017-11-29T12:35:35 < kakimir> it's a fixed functionality of ISR implementation that looks for MSP or PSP to restore shiet 2017-11-29T12:36:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T12:36:22 < zyp> do you understand the relationship between MSP and PSP? 2017-11-29T12:36:35 < zyp> and why there's not just a single SP? 2017-11-29T12:36:44 < kakimir> not clearly 2017-11-29T12:36:51 < kakimir> it hs to do with threads 2017-11-29T12:37:03 < zyp> yes 2017-11-29T12:37:11 < zyp> are you familiar with how context switching works? 2017-11-29T12:38:33 < zyp> when switching between two threads, all the state (i.e. register contents) of the old thread needs to be stored, and the state of the new thread needs to be loaded 2017-11-29T12:39:28 < zyp> each thread has its own stack, so you can just push everything onto it, then switch stacks, then pop everything from the new stack 2017-11-29T12:39:34 -!- tr0ubl3 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2017-11-29T12:39:41 -!- tr0ubl3 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T12:39:42 < zyp> that's what a basic context switch does 2017-11-29T12:39:45 < kakimir> ÿes 2017-11-29T12:40:17 < kakimir> so PSP points to current thread stack 2017-11-29T12:40:28 < zyp> out of reset, stm32 starts with SP = MSP, and if you like, you can forget all about PSP and only use MSP 2017-11-29T12:40:36 < zyp> that's what I'm currently doing in laks 2017-11-29T12:41:02 < kakimir> laks? 2017-11-29T12:41:12 < zyp> my lib/rtos/whatever thing 2017-11-29T12:41:45 < kakimir> why would you want to do that? 2017-11-29T12:41:51 < zyp> do what? 2017-11-29T12:41:55 < kakimir> not use PSP 2017-11-29T12:42:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T12:42:31 < zyp> because it's simple, you don't have to distinguish if you always just use MSP 2017-11-29T12:42:32 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T12:42:38 < zyp> the question is why you wouldn't want to do that 2017-11-29T12:43:41 < kakimir> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/debug.c#L118 okay I think that answers the question why jpacode has only copy of msp 2017-11-29T12:44:05 < zyp> yes 2017-11-29T12:44:23 < zyp> now, imagine you have three tasks, say they each need 1k of stack 2017-11-29T12:44:58 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-29T12:45:13 < zyp> but then you also have an ISR that does some operation that needs 1k of stack 2017-11-29T12:46:09 < zyp> since the ISR can happen regardless of which thread is active, all three of those threads needs a stack big enough to accomodate the ISR 2017-11-29T12:46:36 < zyp> so you'll need 6k reserved to stacks in total 2017-11-29T12:46:47 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T12:47:35 < zyp> ISRs always use MSP, for threads you can choose whether to use MSP or PSP 2017-11-29T12:48:09 < zyp> if you use PSP for threads, you would need to keep MSP pointing to a separate stack for ISRs 2017-11-29T12:48:25 < kakimir> oh 2017-11-29T12:48:44 < zyp> in that case, each thread stack would only need to be 1k, and then you would have a separate 1k stack for ISRs 2017-11-29T12:48:53 < zyp> with reduces your memory need to 4k 2017-11-29T12:48:57 < kakimir> so why there is PSP at all? 2017-11-29T12:49:27 < kakimir> I mean why there is PSP implemented if using only MSP is better 2017-11-29T12:49:36 < karlp> he literally just said 2017-11-29T12:49:49 < zyp> so the thread can use SP = PSP and hardware can automatically switch to MSP when calling an ISR 2017-11-29T12:50:05 < zyp> and the EXC_RETURN then switches back to PSP automatically again 2017-11-29T12:50:52 < zyp> to summarize: using only MSP gives simpler code, but in the example would require 6k of memory reserved for stacks 2017-11-29T12:51:27 < zyp> using both MSP and PSP adds complexity to context switching and fault analysis but reduces memory need to 4k 2017-11-29T12:52:43 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T12:52:45 < zyp> in a singlethreaded firmware, there's no benefit from using PSP at all 2017-11-29T12:52:59 < zyp> which I suspect jpa's firmware is 2017-11-29T12:53:22 < kakimir> okay 2017-11-29T12:53:45 < kakimir> I got it wrong way around I thought using PSP had only downsides 2017-11-29T12:53:53 < zyp> no 2017-11-29T12:53:59 < kakimir> so it reduces ram usage 2017-11-29T12:54:17 < zyp> using PSP means you don't have to reserve space for ISRs on every thread stack 2017-11-29T12:54:28 < kakimir> also is there safety aspects when every process have own stack? 2017-11-29T12:54:42 < zyp> if you have only one thread stack, you save nothing by keeping a separate interrupt stack 2017-11-29T12:54:49 < zyp> what do you mean? 2017-11-29T12:55:17 < zyp> every thread _needs_ its own stack to work, that's where all state is stored 2017-11-29T12:55:42 < dongs> sup 2017-11-29T12:56:00 < kakimir> okay it's enought for the day 2017-11-29T12:56:06 < kakimir> thanks zyp 2017-11-29T12:56:16 < dongs> i should leave dickstarte office 2017-11-29T12:56:22 < zyp> and ISRs generally have unrestricted access to memory so they can shit on all the process stacks anyway 2017-11-29T12:56:39 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T12:57:09 < kakimir> how do you change this MSP / MSP+PSP behaivour? 2017-11-29T12:57:17 < zyp> I guess safety wise, having a separate interrupt stack means that even if a process overflows its stack and gets trapped by MPU or something, you can handle it and only kill that thread, not the entire firmware 2017-11-29T12:57:53 < zyp> rtos would handle it when you start the scheduler 2017-11-29T12:58:10 < kakimir> default is MSP + PSP mode? 2017-11-29T12:58:16 < zyp> no, default is MSP only 2017-11-29T12:58:38 < zyp> everything runs from MSP until firmware tells it differently 2017-11-29T12:59:04 < kakimir> I mean for rtos 2017-11-29T12:59:17 < zyp> exactly how it's done would depend on the RTOS 2017-11-29T12:59:38 < kakimir> sure I know that everything runs from MSP at the begin of firmware 2017-11-29T13:00:04 < kakimir> what should I google for zyp? 2017-11-29T13:01:01 < dongs> a clue perhaps 2017-11-29T13:01:03 < dongs> !!11 2017-11-29T13:02:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfw7iCVtUfw dongs 2017-11-29T13:02:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-29T13:14:24 < dongs> haha drawing for that pushlevel switch on aliexperss is clearer than fucking jpeg on original manufacterer site 2017-11-29T13:18:14 < kakimir> okay now my freertos doesn't even run code that worked yesterday 2017-11-29T13:22:09 < kakimir> after update of freertos 2017-11-29T13:22:56 < dongs> update ur freertos 2017-11-29T13:24:21 < kakimir> it's latest 2017-11-29T13:24:47 < dongs> update it again 2017-11-29T13:24:53 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T13:24:59 < dongs> post on their mailing list 2017-11-29T13:25:01 < dongs> complaining 2017-11-29T13:25:04 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-29T13:25:12 < kakimir> have meltdown there 2017-11-29T13:29:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-29T13:32:19 < ReadErr> dongs: what happened with that mtgox fgt and the jap gov 2017-11-29T13:32:30 < dongs> not sure 2017-11-29T13:32:37 < ReadErr> ya just kinda stopped hearing about it 2017-11-29T13:32:38 < dongs> i think hes still (?) in jail? 2017-11-29T13:32:46 < ReadErr> thats a fuckload(tm) of money now 2017-11-29T13:32:48 < ReadErr> somewhere 2017-11-29T13:33:05 < dongs> no,buttcoin is never"money" 2017-11-29T13:33:10 < dongs> its a fuckload of shit yo ucan turn into real money, somewhere 2017-11-29T13:33:14 < dongs> being fucking useless 2017-11-29T13:33:21 < dongs> can = can't 2017-11-29T13:33:27 < ReadErr> lol so i was paying for my vpn the other day 2017-11-29T13:33:34 < ReadErr> cost me 3$ 2017-11-29T13:33:37 < ReadErr> to send 8$ 2017-11-29T13:33:40 < dongs> uh huh 2017-11-29T13:33:41 < ReadErr> what a fcking scam 2017-11-29T13:33:48 < dongs> and how long did that $3 take to process the $8 2017-11-29T13:34:02 < dongs> thats too cheap 2017-11-29T13:34:10 < dongs> i tihnk its around 10 or something now to process such a small payment 2017-11-29T13:34:11 < ReadErr> lol even funnier story, ended up being like 5$ short in 1 wallet 2017-11-29T13:34:12 < dongs> to get it done quickly 2017-11-29T13:34:20 < ReadErr> so figured, ok, ill send 2x payments for the amount 2017-11-29T13:34:30 < ReadErr> gets the 1st one, then is like nah, not enough 2017-11-29T13:34:32 < ReadErr> CANCELLED 2017-11-29T13:34:39 < ReadErr> after i spent the 3 fuckin dollars 2017-11-29T13:34:44 < ReadErr> to send the extra 2017-11-29T13:36:13 < dongs> and somehow shitcoin is not a scam 2017-11-29T13:36:48 < ReadErr> you know the best investment in it now? 2017-11-29T13:36:53 < ReadErr> exploitation 2017-11-29T13:36:58 < ReadErr> take the machine down 2017-11-29T13:37:19 < ReadErr> you can manipulate the price with ddos etc 2017-11-29T13:39:17 < dongs> gross. 2017-11-29T13:40:11 < ReadErr> whats crazy is the entire thing can collapse with 1 bug too 2017-11-29T13:40:27 < ReadErr> n vs n+1 array size, something dumb 2017-11-29T13:40:30 < ReadErr> is gonna do it 2017-11-29T13:40:57 < ReadErr> theres actually no way to profit on bitcoin falling in price 2017-11-29T13:41:12 < ReadErr> very very few places let you short 2017-11-29T13:42:07 < ReadErr> aww ya chinablet shipped maybe be here by fri 2017-11-29T13:47:12 < dongs> haha you wish 2017-11-29T13:48:56 < ReadErr> dhl 2017-11-29T13:49:03 < ReadErr> could be here tomorrow 2017-11-29T13:49:28 < ReadErr> or they could be lazy fucks and have it friday but 'miss the truck' 2017-11-29T13:51:45 < dongs> sweet 2017-11-29T13:51:49 < dongs> that china switch is clone of alps 2017-11-29T13:51:49 < dongs> lol 2017-11-29T13:55:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T13:55:29 < ReadErr> i found some mech switches i like even better than cherry 2017-11-29T13:55:39 < ReadErr> china clone shit but they feel way beter 2017-11-29T13:56:34 < kakimir> what are you doin? 2017-11-29T13:56:43 * karlp is pretty fucking unimpressed with the only cherry device he's used. 2017-11-29T13:56:55 < karlp> can't really be that hard to be better from my sample size of 1 2017-11-29T13:57:04 < sync> ya there are some ok ones ReadErr 2017-11-29T13:57:48 < zyp> ReadErr, what do you mean few places let you short? 2017-11-29T13:58:09 < zyp> any exchange that does margin trading will let you short 2017-11-29T13:58:44 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T13:59:29 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Extra-Thin-Switches-HV-KB390L/dp/B0722GG88M/ 2017-11-29T13:59:38 < ReadErr> zyp: so maybe, 2 2017-11-29T13:59:46 < zyp> haha 2017-11-29T13:59:58 < ReadErr> and getting margin enabled requires some heavy paperwork or lying 2017-11-29T14:00:05 < zyp> bullshit 2017-11-29T14:00:11 < ReadErr> to do it 'legally' 2017-11-29T14:00:17 < ReadErr> have you read the gdax requirements ? 2017-11-29T14:00:45 < BrainDamage> i want a keyboard with builtin speakers so i can make it as obnoxious as possible on keypresses 2017-11-29T14:00:56 < ReadErr> this one is really quiet 2017-11-29T14:01:43 < ReadErr> haha 2017-11-29T14:01:50 < ReadErr> gdax might have margins turned off right now too 2017-11-29T14:02:28 < zyp> so it says 2017-11-29T14:02:29 < zyp> "Margin trading is currently not available for this product." 2017-11-29T14:03:10 < kakimir> can I malloc and free inside a task normally? 2017-11-29T14:03:20 < ReadErr> https://support.gdax.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2725812-what-is-an-eligible-contract-participant-ecp- 2017-11-29T14:03:20 < kakimir> in freertos 2017-11-29T14:03:23 < ReadErr> zyp: ^ 2017-11-29T14:04:05 < zyp> haha, ok 2017-11-29T14:04:32 < ReadErr> which would you fall under? 2017-11-29T14:04:44 < ReadErr> since you know, we do thangs legally 2017-11-29T14:04:46 < ReadErr> n all 2017-11-29T14:05:08 < zyp> neither, I guess, I'm not a US citizen, so your laws aren't very relevant to me 2017-11-29T14:06:11 < zyp> gdax doesn't even let me trade USD, just EUR 2017-11-29T14:06:39 < zyp> "BTC/USD trading is not yet available in your region." 2017-11-29T14:06:52 < ReadErr> what other exchanges do margin ? 2017-11-29T14:07:00 < ReadErr> from crypto to fiat 2017-11-29T14:07:27 < ReadErr> the fact they can just turn the shit off, is fucked too 2017-11-29T14:07:35 < zyp> does bitmex apply? 2017-11-29T14:07:54 < dongs> why are you fags even talking about buttcoin anyway? 2017-11-29T14:08:06 < dongs> havent you heard? you lose money the second buttcoin is inyour head, before you even type about ti 2017-11-29T14:08:09 < dongs> it 2017-11-29T14:08:14 < zyp> haha 2017-11-29T14:08:46 < zyp> only way I've lost money on BTC is because I didn't keep the ones I dicked around with in 2011 2017-11-29T14:08:51 < zyp> they'd be worth a house today 2017-11-29T14:09:18 < dongs> but thats the thing 2017-11-29T14:09:22 < dongs> you wouldnt be able to turn it into a house 2017-11-29T14:09:34 < zyp> sure I would 2017-11-29T14:09:36 < dongs> you woudlnt be able to do shti with it other than MAYBE sell it to another retard for something 2017-11-29T14:09:56 < ReadErr> zyp: i dont see how that would work 2017-11-29T14:10:07 < ReadErr> because they dont let you deposit or w/d anything but shitcoin 2017-11-29T14:10:16 < ReadErr> or thats what the FAQ says 2017-11-29T14:11:53 < zyp> dongs, I exchanged like $5k worth of bitcoin a week or two ago, bought in one currency, sold in another, avoided a ton of exchange fees and shit 2017-11-29T14:11:58 < zyp> way cheaper than using paypal for the same 2017-11-29T14:12:14 < ReadErr> zyp: i tried to send 8$ 2017-11-29T14:12:17 < ReadErr> it cost me 3$ 2017-11-29T14:12:26 < zyp> then you're using a retarded wallet 2017-11-29T14:12:34 < ReadErr> no, the fees where all fucked 2017-11-29T14:12:38 < ReadErr> bitpay 2017-11-29T14:12:42 < ReadErr> time 2017-11-29T14:13:01 < zyp> exactly, your wallet is what decides the fees 2017-11-29T14:13:12 < dongs> i bought $5k worth of weed last week 2017-11-29T14:13:17 < dongs> ^ this is what i read it as 2017-11-29T14:13:29 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/S8PIe5Ey/shitcoin.png 2017-11-29T14:13:38 < ReadErr> its just a blockchain.something wallet 2017-11-29T14:13:41 < zyp> dongs, no, I got paid, not opposite 2017-11-29T14:13:58 < dongs> so how did you turn it into 5k of real money? 2017-11-29T14:14:04 < dongs> without giving up MUH PRIVACY 2017-11-29T14:14:26 < ReadErr> you can use localshitcoinexchange 2017-11-29T14:14:34 < ReadErr> but you may, or may not get raped and murdered and robbed 2017-11-29T14:14:49 < dongs> theres no way shitcoin exchange rates are better than real bank transfer using real money 2017-11-29T14:15:04 < dongs> and if youre gonna scan your ID into a shitcoin.comthats gonna get hacked tomororw, you might as well stick to banks 2017-11-29T14:15:06 < ReadErr> oh no, its not 2017-11-29T14:15:17 < ReadErr> yea now everyone has 'know ur customer' here 2017-11-29T14:15:23 < ReadErr> so they gotta papertrail all that shit 2017-11-29T14:16:58 < zyp> dongs, idk, what rates does your bank get you on foreign exchange? 2017-11-29T14:17:37 < dongs> zyp, whatever google.com tells me an surely at only $5k the difference between like 0.01$ in exchange is gonna be like 50cents 2017-11-29T14:19:11 < zyp> idk, I think my bank does like 1.75% on currency conversion 2017-11-29T14:20:15 < zyp> paypal is like 3-4% 2017-11-29T14:20:20 < dongs> blame the NO(R)Ks 2017-11-29T14:20:44 < dongs> buying $5k of shitcoin an it dropping 500% tomorrow: priceless 2017-11-29T14:20:59 < dongs> or -500% or whateer 2017-11-29T14:21:14 < zyp> didn't keep those, just bought and sold 2017-11-29T14:22:26 < BrainDamage> if you use as a trade medium you want to cash out asap, you hold bitcoin only if you're speculating or you're a crazy that it might work as currency 2017-11-29T14:23:06 < dongs> http://www.alps.com/prod/info/E/HTML/MultiControl/Switch/SLLB/SLLB120300.html wat the hell 2017-11-29T14:23:24 < dongs> the drawing here is same as on chink site 2017-11-29T14:23:26 < dongs> for schematic 2017-11-29T14:23:28 < dongs> makes no fucking sense 2017-11-29T14:26:32 < dongs> i mean i think E is common and then all the other pins short against it 2017-11-29T14:26:43 < dongs> but what the fuck does that drawing even mean 2017-11-29T14:28:21 < dongs> "ground terminal" in alps drawing 2017-11-29T14:28:33 < aandrew> dongs: what are you autisming about 2017-11-29T14:28:39 < dongs> that part 2017-11-29T14:28:45 < dongs> how do i draw its schematic symbol 2017-11-29T14:29:03 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T14:30:24 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-180-140-254.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T14:30:29 < aandrew> if I understand it, both CCW and CW have two positions 2017-11-29T14:31:07 < aandrew> for CCW, halfway is 1+C and full is 1+2+C 2017-11-29T14:31:17 < BrainDamage> yup 2017-11-29T14:31:19 < aandrew> same thing for CW but 4+C and 3+4+C 2017-11-29T14:31:31 < aandrew> and push is T+C 2017-11-29T14:31:41 < aandrew> but to draw a schematic symbol that makes sense... good luck 2017-11-29T14:31:49 * Laurenceb read that as CWC 2017-11-29T14:31:57 < Laurenceb> too much internets 4 me 2017-11-29T14:31:57 < dongs> what about the ground pad then 2017-11-29T14:31:58 < aandrew> CWC? 2017-11-29T14:32:01 < dongs> why is C repeated twice 2017-11-29T14:32:08 < aandrew> probably two pins for it 2017-11-29T14:32:10 < karlp> and no-one but you gives a shit about what stupid acronyms yhou care about lolrence 2017-11-29T14:32:16 < karlp> counter-clockwise 2017-11-29T14:32:23 < Laurenceb> https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Autism 2017-11-29T14:33:07 < aandrew> I think C is ground 2017-11-29T14:33:07 < BrainDamage> the ground I'd assume it's the chassis, but not electrically connected to any pin 2017-11-29T14:33:29 < dongs> aandrew: theres also "ground pad" on the left 2017-11-29T14:33:37 < aandrew> yes I see that 2017-11-29T14:33:50 < BrainDamage> just short it to c anyway 2017-11-29T14:33:53 < aandrew> it looks like "ground terminal" and "C" on the "face" are both the same metal 2017-11-29T14:34:10 < Laurenceb> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sonichu 2017-11-29T14:35:32 < aandrew> on the land dimensions you have the 6 pads on the bottom (1 2 T 3 4 C) but then ther eare two just above them (vertically overlapping the pins in fact) which are probably chassis ground, then two more above those and "rotated" 90 degrees, left one is labelled "ground terminal" and right is C 2017-11-29T14:35:42 < aandrew> but those last 4 I think are all chassis connection 2017-11-29T14:35:50 < aandrew> that's my guess anyway 2017-11-29T14:36:08 < aandrew> dongs: order a couple from digik... oh wait, you're banned lol 2017-11-29T14:36:22 < zyp> ReadErr, and re: bitmex, yes, they do BTC only, that doesn't prevent you from shorting BTC 2017-11-29T14:37:01 < ReadErr> if the bottom falls out 2017-11-29T14:37:05 < ReadErr> you cant get ur money 2017-11-29T14:37:53 < BrainDamage> assume that people aren't that stupid to do mtgox2 2017-11-29T14:38:07 < dongs> aandrew: i can get clones from chiangirl for super cheap 2017-11-29T14:38:09 < Laurenceb> yeah but you could start running it 2017-11-29T14:38:15 < Laurenceb> then steal the moneys 2017-11-29T14:38:16 < dongs> thats how i found the alps 2017-11-29T14:38:17 < BrainDamage> wait, what, how can you get banned from digikey 2017-11-29T14:38:18 < aandrew> how is bitmex any different from mtgox in terms of that happenning 2017-11-29T14:38:21 < dongs> it was chinaclone of something else 2017-11-29T14:38:22 < ReadErr> you still need a willing party to convert the btc to actual currency 2017-11-29T14:38:29 < ReadErr> someone has to buy it 2017-11-29T14:38:34 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: thats nothing, I'm banned from 4chan 2017-11-29T14:38:39 < dongs> someone has to be dumb enough to buy it 2017-11-29T14:38:46 < aandrew> Laurenceb: yep that's my concern with all this crytpo stuff 2017-11-29T14:38:59 < aandrew> it is lovely on paper but until you can actually cash out your millions... it's all pretend 2017-11-29T14:39:57 < ReadErr> so my point still stands, theres no proper shorting easily accessible 2017-11-29T14:40:06 < ReadErr> no natural way for it to go down in price 2017-11-29T14:40:12 < dongs> OK 2017-11-29T14:40:13 < dongs> so 2017-11-29T14:40:15 < ReadErr> without people losing money 2017-11-29T14:40:21 < dongs> left pad = gnd on that thing, just body/case probably 2017-11-29T14:40:23 < BrainDamage> if you want to do an equivalent schematic, you could do one with a 4 pole 5 throw switch 2017-11-29T14:40:30 < BrainDamage> but it's going to look ugly 2017-11-29T14:40:34 < dongs> and then C is common, and 1/2/3/4 click to it from knob, and T clicks t oit from push 2017-11-29T14:40:37 < dongs> right? 2017-11-29T14:40:43 < dongs> and C is duplicated on the other side for reasons 2017-11-29T14:41:08 < zyp> ReadErr, how about the CME derivates? I think they launch next week or something 2017-11-29T14:41:19 < BrainDamage> yes, remember tought that in the extreme positions, you won't get 'just' 1 or 2 2017-11-29T14:41:23 < BrainDamage> but BOTH 1 and 2 2017-11-29T14:41:32 < ReadErr> zyp: not looked at that 2017-11-29T14:41:39 < dongs> BrainDamage: yeah ,thats clear fromthe drawing 2017-11-29T14:41:54 < aandrew> I'd probably draw it as a selector switch with 1 and 4 "closest" to the selector and 2 and 3 farther from them, witht he selector itself as "C" 2017-11-29T14:42:12 < dongs> ya gonna ghetto somethin up 2017-11-29T14:42:15 < aandrew> with a pushbutton kind of symbol with one leg tied to C and the other called T 2017-11-29T14:42:18 < aandrew> hang on let me sketch 2017-11-29T14:42:20 < aandrew> no laughing 2017-11-29T14:42:33 < dongs> no worries, it will likely be better what i can come up with 2017-11-29T14:43:20 < BrainDamage> 1 pole 4 throw will work, but it won't show up the shorting of 1&2 and 3&4 2017-11-29T14:43:30 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T14:46:19 < dongs> http://www.electronicshub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Selector-Switch.jpg 2017-11-29T14:46:24 < dongs> something on the left-ish 2017-11-29T14:47:20 < aandrew> dongs: https://imgur.com/LlTcUgP 2017-11-29T14:47:28 < dongs> oo 2017-11-29T14:47:33 < dongs> shit, thats perfect ill just steal that thans 2017-11-29T14:47:34 < dongs> thanks 2017-11-29T14:48:03 < aandrew> I'd label one side CW and the other CCW but otherwise I think that's how I'd draw it 2017-11-29T14:48:16 < dongs> right 2017-11-29T14:48:23 < aandrew> maybe draw some dotted line arc around the penis to try to indicate that it's a rocker 2017-11-29T14:54:14 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/r7KNtX1 2017-11-29T14:54:37 < aandrew> if you wanted to get fancy you could arrange the contacts in an arc instead of a line but whatev 2017-11-29T14:55:11 < aandrew> pretty sure that the chassis and C are all the same so you actually have 5 C pins 2017-11-29T14:55:17 < aandrew> but without one in hand it's hard to tell for sure 2017-11-29T14:55:38 < aandrew> are you making an MP3 player? I hear Fraunhofer has a great chip for that 2017-11-29T14:59:24 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/VgmtUUR.png thanks 2017-11-29T14:59:38 < dongs> oh, i like that arc 2017-11-29T15:00:11 < aandrew> nice 2017-11-29T15:00:26 < aandrew> I feel like Zoidberg now... look everyone, I'm being useful 2017-11-29T15:01:11 < dongs> wtf 2017-11-29T15:01:14 < dongs> you cant do dotted line 2017-11-29T15:01:15 < dongs> style 2017-11-29T15:01:18 < dongs> er dotted arc 2017-11-29T15:01:22 < dongs> but you can do line.. 2017-11-29T15:01:42 < aandrew> lol really 2017-11-29T15:01:44 < dongs> yeah 2017-11-29T15:01:46 < aandrew> never tried to do an arc in altium 2017-11-29T15:01:47 < dongs> what th hell altidumb 2017-11-29T15:01:54 < dongs> yeah i ve done a bunch but the dialog for arc editing 2017-11-29T15:01:57 < dongs> is missing the "style" box 2017-11-29T15:02:01 < dongs> like the one in line 2017-11-29T15:02:41 < dongs> only has line width 2017-11-29T15:04:27 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-29T15:10:20 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T15:13:51 -!- enh [~enhering@191.33.84.84] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-29T15:14:28 -!- enh [~enhering@177.158.224.198] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T15:19:07 < dongs> aandrew: no not mp3 player lol 2017-11-29T15:19:12 < dongs> new UI for my shittyflasher 2.0 2017-11-29T15:19:21 < dongs> people are finding it useful 2017-11-29T15:19:31 < dongs> and i might be able to sell some 2017-11-29T15:19:48 < dongs> gonna add stm8 flashing support also 2017-11-29T15:20:53 < dongs> https://github.com/dimitarm1/SWIM_Programmer 2017-11-29T15:21:49 < Laurenceb> >This project is dead from the beginning. It was a preparation for larger project which didn't happen 2017-11-29T15:21:54 < Laurenceb> depression quest 2017-11-29T15:23:10 < Laurenceb> W E W http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663 2017-11-29T15:23:15 < Laurenceb> what a time to be alive 2017-11-29T15:24:15 < dongs> what's a far right 2017-11-29T15:24:19 < dongs> is that like far east 2017-11-29T15:24:23 < dongs> gay japs 2017-11-29T15:24:24 < Laurenceb> ywlts nutty EDL guy become vice president 2017-11-29T15:24:48 < Laurenceb> he is massively pro Isreal so I guess it all makes sense 2017-11-29T15:25:02 < Laurenceb> dongs lieks dis timeline 2017-11-29T15:25:33 < Laurenceb> /pol/ on suicide watch 2017-11-29T15:26:10 < dongs> haha that dick used pc13/14 as swim pins 2017-11-29T15:26:13 < dongs> they:re low currnetdrive/slow 2017-11-29T15:26:16 < dongs> and it still worke 2017-11-29T15:26:17 < dongs> d 2017-11-29T15:26:52 < dongs> huh what 2017-11-29T15:26:57 < dongs> on F401RE, thos are FT pins 2017-11-29T15:27:05 < dongs> how can they even do that 2017-11-29T15:27:12 < dongs> one of them is OSC32 2017-11-29T15:27:30 < dongs> i thought shit went through some shitty analog switch 2017-11-29T15:27:33 < dongs> internally 2017-11-29T15:32:25 < aandrew> dongs: nice. I'm a fan of both rocker and rotary switches for UIs 2017-11-29T15:34:12 < Laurenceb> this is getting pretty impressive 2017-11-29T15:34:14 < Laurenceb> http://host.robots.ox.ac.uk:8080/leaderboard/displaylb.php?challengeid=11&compid=6 2017-11-29T15:34:35 < Laurenceb> wonder what realistic human performance is 2017-11-29T15:34:51 < Laurenceb> looks like 35% improvement/year 2017-11-29T15:37:24 < Laurenceb> tfw all the google self driving car work is junk as actual self driving cars will just use a cheap camera and gpu 2017-11-29T15:38:58 < dongs> trollence/b/ sometimes has something useful to say 2017-11-29T15:39:05 < dongs> but its buried behind layers of bullshit faggotspeak 2017-11-29T15:39:08 < dongs> that makes no sense 2017-11-29T15:39:17 < dongs> how do you expect anyone to take you seriously/? 2017-11-29T15:39:38 < Laurenceb> protip: I don't 2017-11-29T15:39:56 < dongs> f a g g o t 2017-11-29T15:40:02 < Laurenceb> speak 4 urself 2017-11-29T15:41:38 < dongs> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mumu 2017-11-29T15:45:05 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@185.65.135.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T15:50:47 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-29T15:59:56 < dongs> 1 case / Japan 2,700 2017-11-29T15:59:57 < dongs> 1 case / export packing 5,400 2017-11-29T15:59:58 < dongs> ha ha 2017-11-29T16:00:04 < dongs> japs get the short end of the stick 2017-11-29T16:00:08 < dongs> smaller dicks, smaller package 2017-11-29T16:00:34 < BrainDamage> is it a case of condoms 2017-11-29T16:00:46 < dongs> no, its a case of those ALPS switches 2017-11-29T16:03:27 < aandrew> lol 2017-11-29T16:06:06 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T16:22:19 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-29T16:28:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T16:52:51 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T16:54:55 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-29T16:55:28 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T16:56:19 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T16:57:43 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2017-11-29T17:00:55 -!- enh [~enhering@177.158.224.198] has quit [] 2017-11-29T17:09:49 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/ZSztNOH 2017-11-29T17:10:45 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:15:19 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:16:49 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T17:19:42 < karlp> Laurenceb: what are google doing on self driving cars that's _not_ a camera+processing poiwer? 2017-11-29T17:21:48 < englishman> software is the easy part 2017-11-29T17:22:05 < englishman> the hard part is choosing: ati or nvidia? 2017-11-29T17:26:09 < karlp> in more important news: https://imgur.com/a/j1pwV 2017-11-29T17:27:37 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:28:41 < englishman> very important news 2017-11-29T17:29:36 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-29T17:29:42 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:31:20 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-29T17:31:48 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:35:39 < englishman> $600 for saleae16 now lol 2017-11-29T17:35:45 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:36:06 < jadew> huh? why? 2017-11-29T17:36:24 < aandrew> yeah they really jacked the price, but I don't fault them ata ll 2017-11-29T17:36:28 < aandrew> it's good hardware, excellent software 2017-11-29T17:36:38 < englishman> http://www.acute.com.tw/eng/p3_product_detail.php?cid=1&tid=24 2017-11-29T17:36:38 < aandrew> and well within the budget of even small companies 2017-11-29T17:36:42 < aandrew> the rest of us will just use the clone shit 2017-11-29T17:36:49 < englishman> this is also $600 2017-11-29T17:37:04 < englishman> saleae software is shit tho 2017-11-29T17:37:07 < Laurenceb> karlp: lidar and radar and shit 2017-11-29T17:37:13 < Laurenceb> also pre mapping the road 2017-11-29T17:37:24 < Laurenceb> probably so they can sell the data access as a service 2017-11-29T17:37:28 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-29T17:38:02 < jadew> I was planning to make a logic analyzer a couple of years ago and as it happens I'm building one now (but just for me, to help me with another project) 2017-11-29T17:38:16 < jadew> I might consider making it into a product 2017-11-29T17:38:21 < jadew> what would you like in a logic analyzer? 2017-11-29T17:38:45 < englishman> $8 cost 2017-11-29T17:38:50 < jadew> yeah, can't do that 2017-11-29T17:39:01 < jadew> this thing has 64 channels 2017-11-29T17:40:55 < jadew> I could probably do $150 - $200 2017-11-29T17:40:59 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:41:15 < jadew> sampling rate, I'd aim for 500 Msps 2017-11-29T17:41:53 < aandrew> you won't do a decent 64-channel LA for $200 2017-11-29T17:42:09 < aandrew> you can absolutely do an LA for $200, but not something truly useful for pro use 2017-11-29T17:42:17 < jadew> why not? 2017-11-29T17:42:25 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T17:42:26 < jadew> I already have a working one on my bench 2017-11-29T17:42:27 < aandrew> for everyone else, a $3 FX2LP + saleae or sigrok will be more than enough and you'll never sell it 2017-11-29T17:42:41 < aandrew> well let's look at it 2017-11-29T17:42:47 < aandrew> what have you got for input proteection? 2017-11-29T17:42:55 < aandrew> what's your minimum pulse spec? 2017-11-29T17:43:04 < jadew> I didn't do that part, just resistors 2017-11-29T17:43:05 < aandrew> how is your timing accuracy across all 64 channels? 2017-11-29T17:43:18 < jadew> timing accuracy wouldn't be a problem 2017-11-29T17:43:45 < aandrew> input protection tends to vary with PVT. you need a way to characterize and calibrate it, which drives up your mfg costs 2017-11-29T17:44:12 < aandrew> capacitance will skew timing to some degree, but depending on your accuracy spec it might/probably not matter 2017-11-29T17:44:35 < jadew> the timing can be fixed in one revision 2017-11-29T17:44:59 < jadew> you make a jig to test it and tell you how much you're off on each input 2017-11-29T17:45:12 < jadew> then you fix the trace length accordingly 2017-11-29T17:45:57 < aandrew> my point is that all these things eat into yoru profit, and if $200 is your target your COGS better be under $100 2017-11-29T17:46:09 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:46:24 < Laurenceb> wew this is liek a wurk discussion 2017-11-29T17:46:39 < Laurenceb> me "I'm calculating Bode plots for the sensors" 2017-11-29T17:46:50 < Laurenceb> boss "yeah but yeah but TIMING JITTER" 2017-11-29T17:47:38 < Laurenceb> WHAT IF THERE IS A 1NANOSECOND JITTER?? WHERE IS UR 200hz BANDWIDTH SIGNAL THEN??? 2017-11-29T17:47:39 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:47:39 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-29T17:47:39 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:47:48 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-29T17:48:02 < jadew> aandrew, at first it will be way over $100, but in time it would get lower 2017-11-29T17:48:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:48:53 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:50:28 < aandrew> well... I do wish you luck 2017-11-29T17:50:31 < aandrew> it's a tough slog though 2017-11-29T17:50:48 < aandrew> espeically if you are planning on writing PC software and offering any kind of real support 2017-11-29T17:50:50 < jadew> I'm just considering it because I'm working on one anyway 2017-11-29T17:51:01 < jadew> I already have the software 2017-11-29T17:51:18 < jadew> might write something new tho, but I have the software 2017-11-29T17:51:18 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhDa-s7rrho 2017-11-29T17:51:22 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-29T17:51:27 < aandrew> there's a big difference between software FOR YOU and software people expect to be able to use 2017-11-29T17:51:34 < jadew> it is for people 2017-11-29T17:51:39 < Laurenceb> F O R Y O U 2017-11-29T17:51:50 < Laurenceb> this channel is quite memetic 2017-11-29T17:52:10 < jadew> I wrote it a while ago for the OBLS 2017-11-29T17:52:23 < jadew> people were very happy with it 2017-11-29T17:53:54 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T17:56:58 < jadew> I thought I didn't remember the specs of the saleae right 2017-11-29T17:56:59 < jadew> that thing is shit 2017-11-29T17:57:15 < jadew> at 100 MSps you get only 2 channels? 2017-11-29T17:58:04 < Laurenceb> >not using $2 saleaeleeldsqwedlqw clone 2017-11-29T17:58:11 < jadew> 12.5 Msps for 16 channels 2017-11-29T17:58:14 < vampi-the-frog> salame 2017-11-29T17:59:26 < jadew> aandrew, so you'd be worried about protection and timing? 2017-11-29T17:59:31 < jadew> (I'm writing this down btw) 2017-11-29T17:59:48 < aandrew> jadew: well if I'm going to be spending >$50 on a logic analyzer, yes 2017-11-29T17:59:55 < aandrew> particuarly if it's going to have so many channels 2017-11-29T18:00:12 < Laurenceb> wew https://www.eastcoastbund.org/ 2017-11-29T18:00:17 < aandrew> because the types of issues I'll likely be tracking are parallel buys issues were you might have problems with bits not being where they should be at the right time 2017-11-29T18:00:44 < jadew> aandrew, yeah 2017-11-29T18:02:45 < Laurenceb> >National Rubbish Processing Centre 2017-11-29T18:06:08 < Laurenceb> not a surprise that the hyperloop pods go straight into it 2017-11-29T18:10:20 < sync> jadew: people can just buy a tek logicanalyzer mainframe for cheaps off ebay and have >64 channels for sub $250 2017-11-29T18:10:24 < sync> with actual software support 2017-11-29T18:11:23 < jadew> sync, if I'd make it into a product, I can offer better software than anything else out there 2017-11-29T18:11:24 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-29T18:11:28 < jadew> also, those things are huge 2017-11-29T18:11:33 < jadew> and have a very small smaple memory 2017-11-29T18:13:40 < karlp> => usb3, doesn't need to 2017-11-29T18:13:58 < karlp> oh, not the tek mainframes no, 2017-11-29T18:14:46 < jadew> what logic analyzers do you guys use? 2017-11-29T18:15:37 < branjb> how much work is it getting lwip + raw api working on an f4? 2017-11-29T18:15:53 < Laurenceb> jadew: ebay saleale clone 2017-11-29T18:16:02 < karlp> I have a logic16 compatible device, I use it up to about 10-20MHz 2017-11-29T18:16:20 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T18:16:23 < karlp> I paid ~30 for it. 2017-11-29T18:17:17 < Laurenceb> same here 2017-11-29T18:17:38 < jadew> hmm 2017-11-29T18:17:51 < Laurenceb> clonez 2017-11-29T18:18:11 < jadew> yeah, I guess the market for high performance LAs is very small 2017-11-29T18:18:26 < jadew> because most people will go for < $50 stuff 2017-11-29T18:18:41 < jadew> especially since they're satisfactory and work fine in most situations 2017-11-29T18:19:26 < zyp> jadew, what sample rate can you do? 2017-11-29T18:19:30 < jadew> I'm saying that because I'm using a $50 LA and didn't really feel comfortable paying more 2017-11-29T18:20:11 < jadew> zyp, at the moment only 100 Msps, but it's just a bunch of wires and a couple of dev boards at this point, I just needed something quick to sniff on some data 2017-11-29T18:20:31 < zyp> okay, 100Msps is too slow 2017-11-29T18:20:45 < jadew> yeah, I think I can get 400-500 Msps 2017-11-29T18:20:57 < jadew> last time I considered it (a couple of years ago) that was the target 2017-11-29T18:21:02 < karlp> yeah, 100 is more than enough for basic use, not enough for "serious" use 2017-11-29T18:21:08 < jadew> might be able to do higher, but then I guess I'd need better connectors 2017-11-29T18:21:18 < karlp> 24Mhz on the cheapest fx2 devices is amateur only stuff 2017-11-29T18:21:57 < zyp> when I were looking around at LAs, I wanted something that could capture PATA 2017-11-29T18:22:44 < qyx> more like pita 2017-11-29T18:22:46 < jadew> what's the clock on that thing? 2017-11-29T18:22:51 < qyx> hm, that would be handy for my stm32 + CF card 2017-11-29T18:23:22 * invzim got saleae ORIGINAL 2017-11-29T18:23:27 < zyp> dunno what standard I'd be looking at, but IIRC PATA is up to 133MHz 2017-11-29T18:23:48 < aandrew> I have a chinese knockoff saleae and an FX2LP devkit. covers pretty much all I need to do with LA 2017-11-29T18:24:20 < invzim> tricky part, I learned the hard way, is the probes 2017-11-29T18:24:23 < jadew> zyp, would you have paid ~$200 for it? 2017-11-29T18:24:40 < jadew> invzim, how so? 2017-11-29T18:24:49 < jadew> you mean the clips quality or their bandwidth? 2017-11-29T18:24:54 < zyp> jadew, for something decent? sure 2017-11-29T18:24:55 < invzim> both 2017-11-29T18:25:17 < jadew> invzim, yeah, I know and I've been thinking about their bandwidth 2017-11-29T18:25:21 < zyp> I was considering a $1400 one, or whatever it was, just didn't have money to throw at it 2017-11-29T18:25:21 < invzim> dupont cables to a header just doesn't cut it 2017-11-29T18:25:24 < jadew> with shitty probes you'll get very low bandwidth 2017-11-29T18:25:39 < jadew> zyp, that's good to know 2017-11-29T18:25:52 < jadew> thanks 2017-11-29T18:26:13 < invzim> making high quality high impedance stuff turns out to be a bit of an art, that the scope guys have been working on for ages 2017-11-29T18:26:14 < daey> aandrew: there was/is a cool fpga based logic analyzer that also can do crude analog measurements. sadly the project died pretty much 2017-11-29T18:26:18 < zyp> hmm 2017-11-29T18:26:49 < daey> some chinese sold it 2 years ago iirc. but the software sucked from what i was able to figure out 2017-11-29T18:26:51 < jadew> invzim, yeah, I've seen some nice agilent probes, but I don't think they'd be easy to source/cheap 2017-11-29T18:27:11 < invzim> not sure where I saw it, but I think some vendors are using HDMI cables for it? 2017-11-29T18:27:37 < invzim> what do you need to analyze/capture? 2017-11-29T18:27:42 < jadew> invzim, interesting idea 2017-11-29T18:28:30 < jadew> me? I'm just reverse engineering something and I have to sniff 40 signals 2017-11-29T18:29:22 < invzim> that's a lot :) 2017-11-29T18:30:03 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T18:30:40 < jadew> yeah, it's been a PITA so far 2017-11-29T18:32:00 < invzim> does it have a connector? 2017-11-29T18:32:08 < jadew> no 2017-11-29T18:32:28 < jadew> I soldered wires directly 2017-11-29T18:32:47 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-29T18:38:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-29T18:43:05 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T18:43:12 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T18:43:43 < sync> jadew: well the devil is in the detail 2017-11-29T18:43:51 < sync> supporting a shitload of annoying protocols sucks 2017-11-29T18:44:13 < jadew> I kinda love that part 2017-11-29T18:45:10 -!- 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2017-11-29T19:00:16 < englishman> i need to make like thousands of sequential serial numbers with qr codes 2017-11-29T19:00:25 < jadew> try opencv 2017-11-29T19:00:35 < englishman> making, not reading, sry 2017-11-29T19:00:43 < jadew> ah 2017-11-29T19:02:26 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-29T19:02:43 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:02:43 < branjb> matlab? 2017-11-29T19:05:02 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:07:36 < sync> englishman: python + some shit? 2017-11-29T19:07:44 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T19:07:46 < englishman> looks like excel + vba will work 2017-11-29T19:07:55 < branjb> gross 2017-11-29T19:07:59 < sync> ^ 2017-11-29T19:08:03 < jadew> heh 2017-11-29T19:08:05 < englishman> how can it be worse than python 2017-11-29T19:08:11 < englishman> needs to be printable onto label sheets too 2017-11-29T19:08:26 < branjb> in python it probably is like 2017-11-29T19:08:39 < branjb> import qrlib 2017-11-29T19:09:01 < sync> englishman: the label printer for assets at the hackerspace does it that way 2017-11-29T19:09:03 < branjb> for (i=0;i<1000;i++) makeQr() 2017-11-29T19:09:07 < branjb> done 2017-11-29T19:09:24 < sync> you just push a button and it shits out a qr code with your name or that it belongs to the space 2017-11-29T19:11:15 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:13:21 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:14:59 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/fHUm4 2017-11-29T19:16:38 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T19:16:45 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:17:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:18:24 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T19:19:13 < upgrdman> those weird QFP packages that are rectangular instead of square... anyone know why? 2017-11-29T19:19:34 < karlp> could have sworn I just had a bug in gcc with struct init with {} vs {0} but reproducing to capture the disassem and it's working again :| 2017-11-29T19:20:29 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:20:54 < branjb> upgrdman to reduce at least 2 wrong positions when soldering by hand? 2017-11-29T19:21:30 < karlp> no, fucking what, there it is again. 2017-11-29T19:22:09 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T19:22:09 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T19:22:23 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-29T19:22:53 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:24:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has 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2017-11-29T19:44:03 < englishman> yeah apparently installing python 2.7 is better than using MS OFFICE according to branjb 2017-11-29T19:44:34 < branjb> i said matlab 2017-11-29T19:44:50 < Laurenceb> octave dude 2017-11-29T19:46:20 < englishman> how do you do this in excel 2017-11-29T19:46:36 < Laurenceb> I dunno I forgot lol 2017-11-29T19:46:38 < englishman> lol 2017-11-29T19:46:46 < Laurenceb> prob some crazy script shit 2017-11-29T19:46:51 < englishman> using CMU Serif 2017-11-29T19:46:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-29T19:46:54 < branjb> you make an elaborate 100+ mb VB database with 0 documentation that only you know how to use, then use it for critical functions for the next 10 years 2017-11-29T19:46:55 < englishman> because pro 2017-11-29T19:47:11 < Laurenceb> yeah just found it on my hdd 2017-11-29T19:47:14 < branjb> but it has to be excel 2003 because any newer version loses compatibility 2017-11-29T19:47:19 < Laurenceb> tens of meg of VB shit 2017-11-29T19:47:28 < Laurenceb> I copypastered from ...somewhere 2017-11-29T19:49:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:51:33 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:56:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-29T19:56:21 < Laurenceb> >Buzzfeed announces mass sackingz 2017-11-29T19:56:34 < Laurenceb> >"as out strategy evolves" 2017-11-29T19:56:39 < Laurenceb> *our 2017-11-29T19:59:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T19:59:29 < jadew> I don't know why that site is popular 2017-11-29T19:59:46 < jadew> sometimes I just fail to understand this world 2017-11-29T20:00:16 < aandrew> jadew: which site is that 2017-11-29T20:00:22 < BrainDam1> that comes with the autism package 2017-11-29T20:00:26 < jadew> buzzfeed 2017-11-29T20:00:33 < aandrew> oh 2017-11-29T20:00:36 < jadew> whenever I end up on an article there, it's garbage 2017-11-29T20:01:13 < jadew> which leads to the conclusion that people enjoy garbage, which is something very hard to accept 2017-11-29T20:02:00 < branjb> really, it's hard to accept people enjoy garbage? 2017-11-29T20:02:03 < branjb> >what is jersey shore 2017-11-29T20:02:31 < jadew> yeah, everyone says that people are stupid, but we don't trully believe that 2017-11-29T20:04:32 < jadew> https://www.buzzfeed.com/elliewoodward/photos-that-prove-00s-kim-kardashian-was-a-goddamn-gift 2017-11-29T20:04:38 < Laurenceb> I'm more interested in their headlines 2017-11-29T20:04:41 < jadew> I mean... seriously, wtf? 2017-11-29T20:04:46 < Laurenceb> it's like they are generated by a chatbot 2017-11-29T20:05:00 < BrainDam1> they are to maximize clickbait 2017-11-29T20:05:03 < Laurenceb> so much weird buzzwordism 2017-11-29T20:05:04 < BrainDam1> hence ad revenue 2017-11-29T20:05:23 < branjb> i still don't get how the online ad market is as big as it is 2017-11-29T20:05:34 < branjb> don't think i've ever purposefully clicked on an ad 2017-11-29T20:05:50 < BrainDam1> the money is in knowing everything about you 2017-11-29T20:05:52 < Laurenceb> yeah I run Ublock origin 2017-11-29T20:05:54 < jadew> I did, but I worked in the business 2017-11-29T20:05:57 < jadew> I had to 2017-11-29T20:06:09 < BrainDam1> having a piece of ad in every page is enouh to model you 2017-11-29T20:06:10 < jadew> yeah, what BrainDam1 said 2017-11-29T20:06:13 < BrainDam1> no need to click 2017-11-29T20:06:32 < branjb> it's pretty fascinating how many content farm sites there are. google is downright unusuable, every page after 3-4 is just garbage robot generated sites 2017-11-29T20:06:34 < BrainDam1> the actual ad will be served in a sep platform 2017-11-29T20:08:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-29T20:09:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T20:10:04 -!- barthess 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some service or so 2017-11-29T20:44:48 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T20:45:41 < kakimir> only way to get dropbear is to have correct key for it 2017-11-29T20:46:02 < kakimir> it runs openwrt based os.. so annoying 2017-11-29T20:46:34 < kakimir> I think I could harrash my isp first so they could reveal some trick 2017-11-29T20:46:55 < kakimir> maybe proper firmware 2017-11-29T20:50:42 < kakimir> do you know any wlan dongles that could be used as usb wan? 2017-11-29T20:56:01 < kakimir> is there a standard for usb tethering? 2017-11-29T20:56:59 < kakimir> wait.. usb dongles appear as wlan device so it falls under control of that crimped interface 2017-11-29T20:57:32 < kakimir> but I need like something that emulates ethernet but is actually wlan 2017-11-29T20:58:49 < kakimir> maybe just buy.. used wlan router 2017-11-29T20:59:14 < qyx> every time I touch scons I face some new surprises 2017-11-29T20:59:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-60e1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T20:59:51 < qyx> kakimir: wat 2017-11-29T21:00:39 < qyx> yes you can setup your wlan device as a client and use it as a wan port 2017-11-29T21:01:28 < kakimir> I said isp crimped box 2017-11-29T21:01:34 < kakimir> there is no client mode 2017-11-29T21:01:50 < qyx> then buy a proper device for 25€ 2017-11-29T21:02:07 < qyx> or reflash it 2017-11-29T21:02:08 < kakimir> I think I buy something really cheap to connect to wan port 2017-11-29T21:02:34 < qyx> open the list of openwrt supported devices and select one 2017-11-29T21:02:39 < qyx> or buy a 30€ mikrotik 2017-11-29T21:02:46 < qyx> and don't mess with openwrt 2017-11-29T21:02:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T21:03:08 < qyx> but beware that they have different licensing levels, L3 cannot do wifi AP 2017-11-29T21:05:30 < qyx> sometimes you seem to be overly rethinking your problems and making much needless work 2017-11-29T21:08:49 < kakimir> I buy some old surefire b/g router 2017-11-29T21:11:04 < qyx> what speeds are you expecting with an old b/g router? 2017-11-29T21:13:30 < kakimir> 54 2017-11-29T21:13:45 < kakimir> hopefully at least in one direction 2017-11-29T21:14:29 < qyx> haha 2017-11-29T21:14:39 < qyx> lold 2017-11-29T21:15:24 < kakimir> I got something like 30/30 without the panel antenna I installed to that crimped box today 2017-11-29T21:15:44 < qyx> for sure you cannot get 30/30 with a g router 2017-11-29T21:16:00 < qyx> one direction only, indoors maybe 2017-11-29T21:16:35 < qyx> prepare for 10-15mbit one direction in ideal conditions outdoors in the g band 2017-11-29T21:16:55 < kakimir> hmm 2017-11-29T21:17:05 < kakimir> wait I got like 20/20 2017-11-29T21:17:09 < kakimir> in speedtest 2017-11-29T21:17:22 < qyx> but speedtest is not receiving and transmitting data simultaneously 2017-11-29T21:17:23 < kakimir> so it wasn't full duplex 2017-11-29T21:17:26 < kakimir> ye 2017-11-29T21:17:35 < kakimir> well that is not that important 2017-11-29T21:17:40 < qyx> fd would be like 5/5, 10/10 at most 2017-11-29T21:18:05 < kakimir> ye 2017-11-29T21:18:06 < qyx> and usually not symmetrical 2017-11-29T21:18:14 < kakimir> I noticed 2017-11-29T21:18:22 < kakimir> it likes to prefer sending 2017-11-29T21:18:26 < qyx> yes 2017-11-29T21:18:26 < kakimir> more 2017-11-29T21:18:41 < kakimir> just the wrong way around 2017-11-29T21:20:59 < kakimir> can I change that unbalanced situation between tx and rx? 2017-11-29T21:21:04 < kakimir> with software 2017-11-29T21:22:37 < kakimir> so if I get mid 20's speed what does that 54 then stand for? 2017-11-29T21:23:00 < qyx> yes, mikrotik has some proprietary 802.11 addons for that for example 2017-11-29T21:23:06 < qyx> polled mode and nstreme mode 2017-11-29T21:23:31 < qyx> which allows managing that csma/ca anarchy to some degree 2017-11-29T21:24:04 < qyx> 54mbit/s is maximum theoretical speed at the physical layer 2017-11-29T21:24:17 < qyx> with no protocol overhead, no collisions, no interference 2017-11-29T21:24:57 < kakimir> In practice, access points may not have an ideal implementation and may therefore not be able to achieve even 31.4 Mbit/s throughput with 1500 byte packets 2017-11-29T21:25:43 < qyx> switch to 5G, turbo mode with atheros cards (40MHz channel width, although not legal in all countries) 2017-11-29T21:25:53 < qyx> and two parallel links, one for tx, one for rx 2017-11-29T21:26:16 < qyx> nstreme2 over them and eoip or simular ethernet-level vpn over them 2017-11-29T21:26:24 < kakimir> if I even get 20mbps it's good enought 2017-11-29T21:26:25 < qyx> we used that to get stable links in bridged networks ^ 2017-11-29T21:26:45 < kakimir> my standards come down 2017-11-29T21:27:34 < kakimir> I'm pretty much done with this project 2017-11-29T21:28:16 < kakimir> current connection is 8M/1M at the client side 2017-11-29T21:28:36 < kakimir> so getting +20M there would have critical effect 2017-11-29T21:28:58 < kakimir> and especially for uploads 2017-11-29T21:34:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-29T21:35:06 < Laurenceb> http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html 2017-11-29T21:35:26 < Laurenceb> Vashanti"s next move was to turn off the isolation switch, and all the accumulations of the last three minutes burst upon her. The room was filled with the noise of bells, and speaking-tubes. What was the new food like? Could she recommend it? Has she had any ideas lately? Might one tell her one"s own ideas? 2017-11-29T21:35:34 < Laurenceb> le victorian farcebook 2017-11-29T21:36:43 < Laurenceb> this is uncanny in its accuracy 2017-11-29T21:37:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T22:04:30 < kakimir> qyx: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mikrotik-RouterBoard-RB411-MiniPCI-RouterOS-Level-3-R52-Wifi-card-Pigtail/282055182832 2017-11-29T22:06:39 < kakimir> or maybe I go with wrt54gl? 2017-11-29T22:06:48 < kakimir> box and all 2017-11-29T22:07:09 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T22:07:47 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T22:09:31 < kakimir> wrt54gl - 10eur 2017-11-29T22:09:45 < kakimir> wait does it have fixed antennas 2017-11-29T22:10:00 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T22:10:11 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-29T22:13:08 < kakimir> wrt54g receiver sensitivity is also questionable 2017-11-29T22:13:27 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-29T22:14:15 < qyx> wrt54gl is old as fuk 2017-11-29T22:14:49 < BrainDamage> looooool freertos 2017-11-29T22:14:53 < BrainDamage> https://github.com/aws/amazon-freertos 2017-11-29T22:18:19 < kakimir> howe do they have kernel 10.0 2017-11-29T22:18:28 < kakimir> when I have only 9.0 2017-11-29T22:20:04 < kakimir> hey I can use lpc54018 config code for my lpc1517 2017-11-29T22:20:07 < karlp> what on earth would cause this sort of thing? https://zerobin.net/?33337be5409f0c52#kfvMa6NewlekhJPvh4KxsrDnaFl+6u0gwOxSjZAyIAE= 2017-11-29T22:20:20 < kakimir> it has similar if not totally symmetrical core stuff 2017-11-29T22:22:21 < kakimir> I see priobits are exactly what I thought were correct for lpc1517 2017-11-29T22:23:14 < karlp> I'm suspecting weird pointer mangling, and the only thing that changes between "working" code and "shit's busted in weird ways" is adding some variables to that internal structure 2017-11-29T22:23:38 < karlp> and it sitll actually works until I try loading them back in from eeprom, where I htink something gets confused by those sizeofs not being self consistent. 2017-11-29T22:25:06 < qyx> Laurenceb-level bug 2017-11-29T22:28:18 < karlp> yeah, kinda hair tearing 2017-11-29T22:30:29 < karlp> there's no way I can add 6 bytes and still just have things repacked and fit in the same thing. 2017-11-29T22:30:43 < karlp> it can't reorder4 things anyway, it can only add padding right? 2017-11-29T22:33:14 < karlp> adding 4x16bit vars instead of 3x16bit vars makes everything behave "as expected" 2017-11-29T22:33:33 < jpa-> if you have a uint64_t there, you could add up to 7 bytes and it might align the same 2017-11-29T22:33:34 < qyx> so you are making a struct with a configuration 2017-11-29T22:33:39 < qyx> saving it to the eeprom 2017-11-29T22:33:50 < qyx> and when you are reading it back, it reads incorrect values? 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;) 2017-11-29T23:09:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-138-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-29T23:10:54 < upgrdman> wtf. google changed their Finance page design today 2017-11-29T23:10:59 < upgrdman> its so fuck ugly and spread out now 2017-11-29T23:11:24 < upgrdman> also, they tile-all-the-things :( 2017-11-29T23:11:57 < englishman> whitespace innovation 2017-11-29T23:14:48 < karlp> well, whee? redid all changes step by step on a new branch, with clean/build for each one. no longer reproducible 2017-11-29T23:14:54 < karlp> been all day on this shit 2017-11-29T23:26:08 < englishman> placing 75 line order at ARROW 2017-11-29T23:26:24 < zyp> karlp, so you have one broken branch and one working branch now? 2017-11-29T23:27:41 < karlp> no, old branch works now too. 2017-11-29T23:27:46 < karlp> no fucking clue what happened 2017-11-29T23:27:46 < zyp> haha 2017-11-29T23:27:52 < zyp> fun 2017-11-29T23:27:57 < karlp> no, not really. 2017-11-29T23:28:29 < Getty> since I know C the word "fun" really got a new dimension ;) 2017-11-29T23:28:34 < karlp> I left it yesterday afternoon, said, "this is weird, I bet it goes away in the morning, whatever the fuck it is" 2017-11-29T23:30:13 < zyp> I spent a day making a simple ethernet bootloader gui utility at work 2017-11-29T23:31:32 < invzim> one day? 2017-11-29T23:32:15 < zyp> coworkers are heading off tomorrow to run some tests on a device, so they asked yesterday «what do we do if we need to upgrade the firmware?» 2017-11-29T23:32:52 < invzim> whatevere they're paying you, it should be more :) 2017-11-29T23:33:27 < zyp> and I'm like «uh, we have a bootloader now, but the host side script I hacked up is a mess that won't transfer well to another computer» 2017-11-29T23:34:34 < qyx> did you do a single click Qt gui thing? 2017-11-29T23:35:11 < zyp> so I started hacking up some simple gui that lets user open a specific ethernet interface and an elf file and write it 2017-11-29T23:35:32 < zyp> my bootloader protocol doesn't do addressing yet, so I didn't have to implement that 2017-11-29T23:35:55 < zyp> qyx, not sure what you mean by single click, but I used Qt, yes 2017-11-29T23:38:00 < zyp> when you start it it pops up a dialog with a list of network interfaces, after selecting one you get a window with «Open firmware file» and «Write firmware» buttons and a textbox that prints progress info 2017-11-29T23:38:26 < zyp> ended up quite nice 2017-11-29T23:40:07 < zyp> got most of the stuff working before I left yesterday, did the last polish this morning by adding timeouts and retries so it doesn't hang when it can't find a device or takes too long to negotiate ethernet again after a reset 2017-11-29T23:43:20 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/JrgDM <- coroutines are a pretty damn neat way of handling sequences, by the way 2017-11-29T23:45:14 < qyx> looks simple 2017-11-29T23:46:43 < zyp> send_cmd() doesn't return until it gets an ack from the device (or it times out) 2017-11-29T23:47:41 < zyp> and the async stuff avoids locking up the gui while it's waiting, without adding multithreading complexity or callbacks or whatever 2017-11-29T23:49:51 < zyp> invzim, idk, I feel like I do enough slacking off as well :p 2017-11-29T23:51:47 < zyp> and most of the non-gui-stuff is just refactored from the mess I had before 2017-11-29T23:53:51 < zyp> spent some time looking into .exe-packers for python since py2exe apparently isn't maintained anymore and doesn't work with 3.6 2017-11-29T23:55:15 < zyp> turns out that pyinstaller works better than py2exe ever did --- Day changed Thu Nov 30 2017 2017-11-30T00:06:30 * karlp makes a note of that. 2017-11-30T00:08:25 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-30T00:12:43 * karlp applies phase correction so that his incandescent lights are properly inductive instead of capacitive 2017-11-30T00:12:47 < karlp> stupid CTs 2017-11-30T00:18:55 < sync> o0 2017-11-30T00:25:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-60e1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-30T00:28:52 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-30T00:35:14 < kakimir> #define configLIBRARY_LOWEST_INTERRUPT_PRIORITY 0x07 //LPC151x has 8 interrupt priorities. 2017-11-30T00:35:30 < kakimir> what is that LIBRARY doing there!= 2017-11-30T00:35:43 < kakimir> just noticed 2017-11-30T00:36:47 < kakimir> oh it's in amazon freertos too 2017-11-30T00:41:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-138-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-30T00:44:20 < kakimir> do I need software timer functions for tick? 2017-11-30T00:52:23 < kakimir> why does my nxp freertoscommonhooks file have void FreeRTOSDelay(uint32_t ms) 2017-11-30T00:52:53 < kakimir> and it's not __WEAK__ 2017-11-30T00:53:15 < kakimir> all the hooks are __WEAK__ 2017-11-30T00:53:43 < kakimir> those hooks look like everything else 2017-11-30T01:05:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T01:05:22 < Laurenceb_> dat headline https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/12/italian-scientists-dna-fascist-warrior-poet-semen-gabriele-dannunzio 2017-11-30T01:05:37 < Laurenceb_> scientists from 4chan no doubt 2017-11-30T01:06:28 < ohsix> god damn, gnome-terminal fucking my life up with this random line spacing 2017-11-30T01:06:53 < ohsix> i got used to reading ocr-a with the old spacing, now they add some more for 'readability', but i can't actually read it anymore because of the added space 2017-11-30T01:07:20 < englishman> is https://www.masterelectronics.com/ down 2017-11-30T01:07:31 < englishman> jesus fuck i hate samtec 2017-11-30T01:07:34 < ohsix> isup.me 2017-11-30T01:08:01 < ohsix> up for me and isup.me 2017-11-30T01:09:27 < ohsix> wat samtec do 2017-11-30T01:12:19 < kakimir> okay I have stored hard fault registers 2017-11-30T01:13:11 < sync> englishman: it us up for me as well 2017-11-30T01:17:36 < englishman> yeah but they dont have stock of what i want 2017-11-30T01:19:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T01:25:55 < kakimir> is there a tool that traces back all the moves of program until hardfault? 2017-11-30T01:25:58 < Laurenceb_> My dad died in 9/11 I still remember his last words 2017-11-30T01:26:06 < kakimir> allahu akbar 2017-11-30T01:26:09 < Laurenceb_> Allahu akbaaaaaaaar.... 2017-11-30T01:26:11 < upgrdman> cucked 2017-11-30T01:26:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leQdEhzlRvE 2017-11-30T01:27:58 < upgrdman> any python pros in here? is it possible to declare variables with a certain data type? like "int i = 1" 2017-11-30T01:28:07 < ohsix> y 2017-11-30T01:28:14 < ohsix> or do you mean invariant 2017-11-30T01:28:16 < zyp> upgrdman, what's the goal? 2017-11-30T01:28:17 < upgrdman> dynamically types languages induce much rage 2017-11-30T01:28:18 < ohsix> like a const-type 2017-11-30T01:28:28 < ohsix> python has range types tho, it's cool 2017-11-30T01:28:29 < karlp> better use hungarian notation 2017-11-30T01:30:19 < zyp> upgrdman, short answer: no 2017-11-30T01:30:38 < zyp> depending on what you want to actually achieve, there might be solutions 2017-11-30T01:31:14 < ohsix> you could create a class with methods that abort if you try and change the type 2017-11-30T01:31:36 < ohsix> huh http://mypy-lang.org/ 2017-11-30T01:31:43 < zyp> upgrdman, there's type hints though: https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#module-typing 2017-11-30T01:31:45 < karlp> there's a pep for adding annotations to help tooling shit 2017-11-30T01:31:49 < karlp> yeah, that :) 2017-11-30T01:31:57 < zyp> but I'm not sure what they are useful for, apart from static analysis 2017-11-30T01:32:22 < ohsix> NewType 2017-11-30T01:32:42 < upgrdman> god damn. wtf couldnt they make it easy to force something to always be an integer 2017-11-30T01:32:46 < zyp> ohsix, very gundam 2017-11-30T01:33:03 < zyp> upgrdman, just cast it to an integer? 2017-11-30T01:33:11 < upgrdman> instead i have to int(cocks) 2017-11-30T01:33:27 < zyp> it's not like int i = 1 is any shorter than i = int(1) 2017-11-30T01:33:50 < upgrdman> zyp, ya but then i += 0.5 will result in a floaty 2017-11-30T01:33:57 < kakimir> duckin freertos back on track 2017-11-30T01:34:00 < upgrdman> instead of an error or another int 2017-11-30T01:34:15 < upgrdman> makes understanding old code such a pain 2017-11-30T01:35:27 < upgrdman> so ya, karl's comment on hungarian shitz is prolly the cleanest way to unfuck this 2017-11-30T01:36:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: what do you want it to do when it changes type? 2017-11-30T01:36:10 < ohsix> er 2017-11-30T01:36:13 < ohsix> heh k, i see 2017-11-30T01:36:21 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya exactly. i DONT want it to change type 2017-11-30T01:36:40 < ohsix> you could check the type after, or cast them so the type conversion doesn't happen 2017-11-30T01:36:40 < upgrdman> if i have an array index, and im doing math on it, i want int math 2017-11-30T01:36:41 < upgrdman> etc 2017-11-30T01:37:00 < ohsix> use numpy :p 2017-11-30T01:37:18 < upgrdman> not sure if blender supports numpy 2017-11-30T01:37:36 < ohsix> it does if you import it, hehe 2017-11-30T01:37:41 < upgrdman> and im just use python to play with scripting animation and maybe a lil game logic for robot prototyping 2017-11-30T01:38:06 < ohsix> well numpy isn't going to help there 2017-11-30T01:38:08 < upgrdman> also, fuck, i miss having a proper ide when writing code. where my god damn ctrl-space to autocomplete :( 2017-11-30T01:38:37 < upgrdman> and alt-shift-r to refactor :( 2017-11-30T01:38:40 < ohsix> typing seems to have all the stuff you'd want to create a type system 2017-11-30T01:39:17 < ohsix> but you can also never use the result of something without int() 2017-11-30T01:39:30 < ohsix> probably want floor or something instead to better match intent if there's going to be a remainder 2017-11-30T01:40:12 < ohsix> i love irc for those types of questions 2017-11-30T01:44:02 < karlp> wooee, my problem is back again! 2017-11-30T01:45:03 < ohsix> cython has a thing too http://cython.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/quickstart/cythonize.html though this is something that blender probably can't do 2017-11-30T01:49:49 < ohsix> pep 0484 has bound tying and a bunch of stuff too 2017-11-30T02:02:46 < kakimir> how are parameters passed to function? 2017-11-30T02:09:50 < kakimir> shiet bros 2017-11-30T02:10:16 < kakimir> 2tasks and working 2017-11-30T02:10:53 < kakimir> but when I read uptime variable in uptime command 2017-11-30T02:10:58 < kakimir> hardfault 2017-11-30T02:11:09 < kakimir> also uptime_ms variable is 0 2017-11-30T02:13:31 < kakimir> okay I forgot delay 2017-11-30T02:13:39 < kakimir> why is it 0 when there is no delay 2017-11-30T02:13:52 < kakimir> and when there is delay I got to 3000 2017-11-30T02:14:23 < kakimir> lets make that uptime variable volatile? 2017-11-30T02:21:20 < kakimir> oh it's my application code 2017-11-30T02:32:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-30T02:33:38 < kakimir> I need a compile server 2017-11-30T02:33:56 < Thorn> wtf is injected current in STM8/32 datasheets? 2017-11-30T02:35:21 < Thorn> it's not just any current flowing through a pin, is it? 2017-11-30T02:42:33 < ohsix> i'm in the laaaab helping a dude who doesn't know how to solder, buid a mechanical keyboard from aliexpress, it's a neat keyboard 2017-11-30T02:42:57 < Thorn> with a builtin keylogger? 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2017-11-30T04:05:49 < dongs> just like you casually fill a board with SMA connectors 2017-11-30T04:06:49 < kakimir> `what you used it for?¨¨ 2017-11-30T04:07:01 < Laurenceb_> epin put down 2017-11-30T04:07:20 < Laurenceb_> does kakimir ever sleep? 2017-11-30T04:07:22 < dongs> kakimir: it was detecting shapes/orientation of stuff passing over it 2017-11-30T04:07:35 < Laurenceb_> isnt it liek 4am in Finland? 2017-11-30T04:07:52 < sync> isn't it liek 2am in brexitland? 2017-11-30T04:08:01 < Laurenceb_> yes but I'm weird like that 2017-11-30T04:08:47 < sync> maybe mr kaks is also weird like that? 2017-11-30T04:08:51 < Laurenceb_> actually yes it's zzz time 2017-11-30T04:09:04 < emeb_mac> sleepy Laurenceb_ 2017-11-30T04:13:53 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-30T04:23:08 -!- enh [~enhering@177.158.224.198] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T04:25:36 < dongs> allpcb doesnt fuck around 2017-11-30T04:25:41 < dongs> < 24h from order to packed 2017-11-30T04:31:34 < emeb_mac> fast 2017-11-30T04:34:18 < dongs> hm 2017-11-30T04:34:33 < dongs> i wonder if i should continue using I2C for this oled 2017-11-30T04:34:34 < dongs> or switch to SPI 2017-11-30T04:34:43 < dongs> hatebus 2017-11-30T04:49:27 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T04:50:44 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T04:54:24 < aandrew> word to the goat herd 2017-11-30T04:55:05 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2017-11-30T05:04:32 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-30T05:07:34 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T05:12:38 < ohsix> https://walabot.com/ 2017-11-30T05:13:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-30T05:14:42 < ohsix> i bet it actually sucks shit but it's heavily discounted right now 2017-11-30T05:14:57 < ohsix> the board they sell is probably just the demo board from the chipset maker 2017-11-30T05:22:32 < MrMobius> i dunno. that thing is not compatible with blackberrys 2017-11-30T05:22:38 < MrMobius> does it see through clothes too? 2017-11-30T05:32:53 < dongs> MrMobius: are you autisming 2017-11-30T05:33:15 < dongs> cuz nobody is chatting 2017-11-30T05:34:45 < branjb> fuck lwip 2017-11-30T05:39:27 < MrMobius> oh hey its dongs 2017-11-30T05:42:09 -!- enh [~enhering@177.158.224.198] has quit [] 2017-11-30T05:42:09 < branjb> how important is the boost diode in a smps 2017-11-30T05:49:39 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/c6LKstL.jpg 2017-11-30T05:55:26 < branjb> is that your cat? 2017-11-30T06:11:39 -!- Ultrasauce [~sauce@142.163.117.67] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2017-11-30T06:13:04 -!- Ultrasauce [~sauce@142.163.117.67] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T06:18:39 -!- Ultrasauce [~sauce@142.163.117.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-30T06:23:48 < Thorn> branjb: the switch won't turn on without it 2017-11-30T06:26:03 -!- Ultrasauce [~sauce@142.163.117.67] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T06:26:09 < branjb> so like, a 9 on a scale of 1-10? 2017-11-30T06:32:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: forced purrspective 2017-11-30T06:34:21 < ohsix> ooh i wonder if i could get funding to build one of these https://hackaday.com/2015/04/07/build-a-phased-array-radar-in-your-garage-that-sees-through-walls/ 2017-11-30T06:34:28 < upgrdman> branjb, no, just a reddit pic 2017-11-30T06:34:49 < upgrdman> ohsix, i dont think its f.p., look at the pic at 100% zoom 2017-11-30T06:35:14 < upgrdman> prolly an xmas tree ornament or something 2017-11-30T06:38:46 < ohsix> forced purrspective 2017-11-30T06:38:59 < ohsix> puns reveal ultimate truths 2017-11-30T07:01:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-30T07:02:05 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-30T07:28:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T07:45:35 < dongs> what logic does ST use to pick a DMA controller 2017-11-30T07:45:39 < dongs> for their series 2017-11-30T07:45:58 < dongs> they hae the streams/channels (f4) stuff on some series, and the retarded F1 stuff on others 2017-11-30T07:46:13 < dongs> why thefuck tehy cant stick to something normal for everything new 2017-11-30T07:48:04 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T07:51:27 -!- daey [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-30T07:51:33 -!- day__ is now known as daey 2017-11-30T08:04:25 -!- wasutton3 [wsutton3@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-wwzfyfnecbvwzith] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T08:10:49 < jadew> silicon space? 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2017-11-30T11:54:17 < MrMobius> youre autisming 2017-11-30T11:54:24 < dongs> MrMobius: my point exactly 2017-11-30T11:54:26 < dongs> nobody is chatting 2017-11-30T11:54:39 < dongs> all i see is people joining/quitting 2017-11-30T11:54:49 < MrMobius> I started learning c#. we can chat about that 2017-11-30T11:54:54 < MrMobius> it is a steaming pile of shit so far 2017-11-30T11:55:02 < dongs> are you learning c# 1.0 or the newfag c# thats unreadable 2017-11-30T11:55:16 < MrMobius> the 2017 mindrape version 2017-11-30T11:55:20 < dongs> ur fukt 2017-11-30T11:55:26 < MrMobius> i noticed 2017-11-30T11:55:30 < dongs> really tho 1.0 isnt bad 2017-11-30T11:55:34 < dongs> but god damn the new shit they added 2017-11-30T11:55:38 < dongs> thankfully you dont need to use it 2017-11-30T11:56:00 < MrMobius> well there are so many ways to do thing that are not obvious just looking at them 2017-11-30T11:56:14 < MrMobius> i can adjust to foreach but they have like sql database shit directly in the code 2017-11-30T11:56:50 < dongs> linq shit can go away 2017-11-30T11:56:51 < MrMobius> also you can go nuts with the new keyword since who cares about memory 2017-11-30T11:56:57 < dongs> same goes with var, auto etc 2017-11-30T11:57:03 < MrMobius> ya 2017-11-30T11:57:46 < MrMobius> the garbage collector does not work inside of loops 2017-11-30T11:58:01 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-30T11:58:06 < dongs> lols. it probably does if you really make a lot of garbge 2017-11-30T11:58:12 < MrMobius> so after my shitty little program got to400mb of memory it crashed 2017-11-30T11:58:15 < MrMobius> nope 2017-11-30T11:58:23 < dongs> haha 2017-11-30T11:58:30 < dongs> there is .delete like thing anyway 2017-11-30T11:58:33 < dongs> the .DIspose() 2017-11-30T11:58:39 < dongs> if youre certain youre done wiht stuff 2017-11-30T11:58:41 < dongs> should probly use that 2017-11-30T11:59:00 < dongs> they say "usually" its not needed but when yhoure in cases like that i guess it works 2017-11-30T11:59:16 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T11:59:24 < MrMobius> ya there is that but i dont think it acually frees the memory until the gc runs 2017-11-30T11:59:31 < MrMobius> it just marks it as to be freed or something 2017-11-30T12:00:09 < MrMobius> you have to rely on your old friend DoEvents from visual basic 6.0 days 2017-11-30T12:00:14 < MrMobius> enjoy 2017-11-30T12:02:11 -!- errebino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:02:13 -!- nikomo_ [~quassel@nikomo.fi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:03:05 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:03:07 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2017-11-30T12:04:44 -!- nikomo [~quassel@nikomo.fi] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2017-11-30T12:05:06 -!- nikomo_ is now known as nikomo 2017-11-30T12:10:01 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Tectu, rbino, djos, Syke 2017-11-30T12:15:27 -!- djos [~djos@mail.thorondir.com] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:15:27 -!- Syke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:23:12 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-30T12:27:04 -!- errebino is now known as rbino 2017-11-30T12:42:52 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.68.231] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:45:39 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.68.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2017-11-30T12:47:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:47:43 -!- Emilgardis [~localsys@unaffiliated/emilgardis] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-30T12:48:01 -!- Emilgardis [~localsys@unaffiliated/emilgardis] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:49:04 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T12:59:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-30T13:05:53 -!- Emilgardis [~localsys@unaffiliated/emilgardis] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2017-11-30T13:06:12 -!- Emilgardis [~localsys@unaffiliated/emilgardis] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T13:14:01 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T13:14:47 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tilzdboilnqqdihb] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2017-11-30T13:15:16 -!- Exion [~jon@unaffiliated/exion] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2017-11-30T13:18:50 < kakimir> what was the function to list tasks in acsii formated array? 2017-11-30T13:18:54 < kakimir> not runtimes 2017-11-30T13:18:56 < kakimir> states 2017-11-30T13:19:00 < kakimir> and shiet 2017-11-30T13:19:02 -!- Exion [~jon@unaffiliated/exion] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T13:23:26 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-30T13:25:36 < kakimir> btw why to use pvPortMalloc instead of malloc 2017-11-30T13:25:56 < kakimir> malloc in my library functions seem to work totally fine? 2017-11-30T13:30:01 < kakimir> dat bit pattern in ram has something to do with stack high watermarking? 2017-11-30T13:41:23 < qyx> freertos uses those portmalloc functions internally and you can too 2017-11-30T13:41:45 < qyx> then there are different memory managers in the ports directory 2017-11-30T13:41:49 < qyx> somewhere 2017-11-30T13:41:55 < qyx> you can choose one 2017-11-30T13:41:58 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T13:43:26 < jpa-> kakimir: they call it pvPortMalloc so that it can be redefined easier than libc's malloc 2017-11-30T13:43:41 < jpa-> but most of the time you'll want them to be the same function 2017-11-30T13:44:33 -!- Emilgardis [~localsys@unaffiliated/emilgardis] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2017-11-30T13:44:52 < karlp> kakimir: openocd has freertos support, will auto show you threads and stuff 2017-11-30T13:44:56 < karlp> read the bottom of http://openocd.org/doc/html/GDB-and-OpenOCD.html 2017-11-30T13:49:27 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T13:56:52 < PaulFertser> karlp: btw, has anyone checked it's still compatible with v9.0.0 freertos release? 2017-11-30T14:01:45 -!- Exion [~jon@unaffiliated/exion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-30T14:08:39 < karlp> Im hoping kakimir is? :) 2017-11-30T14:08:44 < karlp> but perhapsthat was unhelpful. 2017-11-30T14:08:49 < karlp> I've not no. 2017-11-30T14:12:23 < kakimir> it would suck if it wasn't supported 2017-11-30T14:12:54 < kakimir> but anyways have anything critical changed if you use same code that runs on freertos 8.0 2017-11-30T14:24:53 < qyx> the fuk 2017-11-30T14:24:58 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mikusmvhyfqeqcut] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T14:25:00 < qyx> again travis, scons, python 2017-11-30T14:25:24 < qyx> I have to setup the virtualenv to install some custom packages (protobufs) 2017-11-30T14:25:41 < qyx> and also a gitpython to determine the actually built version 2017-11-30T14:26:00 < qyx> but scons is not aware of the virtualenv and cannot find the packages 2017-11-30T14:27:03 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T14:27:03 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.93] has quit [Changing host] 2017-11-30T14:27:03 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T14:44:02 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-30T14:51:43 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T14:52:28 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T15:22:21 < karlp> I wonder why -fstack-usage 2017-11-30T15:22:30 < karlp> is coutned as a "developer option" for gcc, and not a normal option 2017-11-30T15:24:28 < Laurenceb> wew 2017-11-30T15:24:40 < Laurenceb> uk parliament is literally "delete ur account" 2017-11-30T15:25:00 < Laurenceb> ywlts internetz damaz in parliament 2017-11-30T15:25:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42181073 2017-11-30T15:26:05 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7gkuzj/hey_england_we_kicked_your_ass_in_1776_mind_your/ 2017-11-30T15:26:08 < Laurenceb> le epin dramaz 2017-11-30T15:26:24 < qyx> re scons: have to call it with python /usr/bin/scons, otherwise it ignores the virtualenv 2017-11-30T16:20:24 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T16:38:21 < Steffanx> MrMobius: just call the garbage collector yourself. Pro-style 2017-11-30T16:40:51 < branjb> what's some good digikey cart stuffers 2017-11-30T16:42:01 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T17:02:51 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T17:09:24 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T17:10:22 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T17:12:14 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2017-11-30T17:12:50 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T17:26:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T17:36:58 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T17:38:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-30T17:48:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T17:57:15 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2017-11-30T18:05:30 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.104.22] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T18:14:08 < kakimir> hello pump 2017-11-30T18:17:31 < kakimir> you need to use heap number 4 even when your ram consists of continious address space? 2017-11-30T18:17:44 < kakimir> but has these 3banks 2017-11-30T18:17:54 < kakimir> every of those enabled 2017-11-30T18:18:47 < kakimir> I thought you can access continious sram address space as whole 2017-11-30T18:19:02 < kakimir> anyways my heap3 is still working 2017-11-30T18:22:22 < kakimir> anyone have example code for uint32_t -> hex formated acsii string? 2017-11-30T18:26:53 < qyx> wat 2017-11-30T18:27:12 < qyx> snprintf(blah, sizeof(blah), "%08x", n) 2017-11-30T18:28:27 < Laurenceb> wut 2017-11-30T18:28:43 < Laurenceb> >kaikimir A U T I S M 2017-11-30T18:28:56 < Laurenceb> kakimeme 2017-11-30T18:31:36 < kakimir> it's been a while 2017-11-30T18:31:46 < kakimir> since I last time did active coding 2017-11-30T18:31:52 < kakimir> thanks qyx 2017-11-30T18:32:36 < qyx> and null terminate it just to be sure 2017-11-30T18:33:53 < kakimir> , n part? 2017-11-30T18:34:06 < qyx> n is the uint32_t number 2017-11-30T18:34:23 < qyx> no, the string blah 2017-11-30T18:34:47 < qyx> snprintf doesn't add explicit \0 if the value overflows past sizeof(blah) 2017-11-30T18:35:00 < kakimir> good to know 2017-11-30T18:35:15 < kakimir> I thought it was foolproof 2017-11-30T18:35:38 < qyx> aha maybe not 2017-11-30T18:35:44 < qyx> actually snprintf always null terminate 2017-11-30T18:36:16 < qyx> there was some other *n* function which was unfunny 2017-11-30T18:36:28 < kakimir> s means safe 2017-11-30T18:36:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T18:37:29 < qyx> aha it was strncpy 2017-11-30T18:37:36 < qyx> which is not safe and doesn't null terminate 2017-11-30T18:39:22 < kakimir> anyways you need to define size_t for it 2017-11-30T18:39:54 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2017-11-30T18:40:27 < kakimir> http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/string/byte/strncpy 2017-11-30T18:40:55 < qyx> what with size_t 2017-11-30T18:41:12 < kakimir> count 2017-11-30T18:41:36 < kakimir> it doesn't go forever 2017-11-30T18:41:41 < qyx> yes you always do string manipulation with size-limited destination buffer 2017-11-30T18:42:35 < qyx> otherwise you will be pwnd 2017-11-30T18:43:06 < kakimir> strncpy_s stops to source \0 2017-11-30T18:43:08 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T18:57:59 < Laurenceb> reee wtf 2017-11-30T18:58:07 < Laurenceb> Russian grrrl is crying 2017-11-30T18:58:12 < jpa-> anyone have experience with STM32 SPI slave? I have a few glitches on NSS & CLK at boot time, and that causes it to corrupt data very weirdly https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/spi_slave.png 2017-11-30T18:58:26 < Laurenceb> >there are weird noises in basement tunnels 2017-11-30T18:58:27 < jpa-> MISO should be 0x00, 0xFF, 0xA5 there 2017-11-30T18:58:35 < kakimir> aliens 2017-11-30T18:58:37 < Laurenceb> >I joke that its prob just a bear 2017-11-30T18:58:42 < jpa-> the weirdest thing is that clearing SPE nor even reset by RCC seem to help 2017-11-30T18:58:45 < Laurenceb> >she is scared and crying 2017-11-30T18:58:50 < Laurenceb> derpatron 2017-11-30T18:59:32 < Laurenceb> me:"no bears in UK, calm down already" 2017-11-30T18:59:44 < Laurenceb> her:"but it could be a badger with rabies" 2017-11-30T18:59:51 < Laurenceb> I'm scared 2017-11-30T18:59:53 < kakimir> she lives with you? 2017-11-30T19:00:00 < Laurenceb> in my basement lair yes 2017-11-30T19:00:39 < qyx> jpa-: SPE doesn't do anything 2017-11-30T19:01:34 < qyx> which mcu is that? 2017-11-30T19:01:43 < englishman> Laurenceb: MMC5883MA breakout is here 2017-11-30T19:01:46 < englishman> how many you want 2017-11-30T19:01:47 < jpa-> qyx: STM32F427 2017-11-30T19:01:57 < jpa-> what do you mean SPE doesn't do anything? 2017-11-30T19:02:06 < Laurenceb> englishman: none cuz I'd just redesign my sensor board 2017-11-30T19:02:09 < Laurenceb> thanx 2017-11-30T19:02:14 < jpa-> i have had it help with some weird spi stuff before 2017-11-30T19:02:16 < Laurenceb> inb4 pcbtrain pubic pcb 2017-11-30T19:02:26 < englishman> maybe you can characterize it 2017-11-30T19:02:29 < qyx> it just stops something and the rest keep going 2017-11-30T19:02:31 < Laurenceb> oh 2017-11-30T19:02:35 < Laurenceb> not for free :P 2017-11-30T19:02:43 < englishman> reeeeee 2017-11-30T19:02:43 < Laurenceb> I can pastebin my codez 2017-11-30T19:02:53 < Laurenceb> just a secx 2017-11-30T19:03:17 < qyx> jpa-: I remember I had some glitches on my SPI slave too, but I don't remember now how were they solved 2017-11-30T19:03:25 < Laurenceb> wtf Russian grrrl has just run off in a mard 2017-11-30T19:03:30 < Laurenceb> this is full retard 2017-11-30T19:03:44 < Laurenceb> whats wrong with bear jokes 2017-11-30T19:04:09 < Laurenceb> apparently Bears eat Russians and it's not funny 2017-11-30T19:04:13 < englishman> i actually wanted to send you a therese may dakimakura but ok 2017-11-30T19:04:25 < kakimir> I assume you live in city 2017-11-30T19:04:39 < Laurenceb> I like _under_ a city 2017-11-30T19:05:05 < englishman> Thorn: howcome no livestream of russia's extremely successful launch this week? 2017-11-30T19:05:29 < BrainDamage> I'm starting to think maybe you are really a bit autistic, not because of all the fake workplace accidents you compulsively lie about, but the extreme insistence in keeping up the charade despite being told over and over it's not funny 2017-11-30T19:05:55 < Laurenceb> it's funny to me 2017-11-30T19:06:37 < Laurenceb> but so are bear jokes :-( 2017-11-30T19:07:36 < englishman> i have no doubt that laurent can make any girl cry 2017-11-30T19:08:20 < kakimir> maybe she is already in meltdown mode 2017-11-30T19:08:32 < Laurenceb> probably 2017-11-30T19:08:47 < Laurenceb> I think she got an email instructing her to look at TIMING JITTER 2017-11-30T19:09:08 < Laurenceb> englishman: ok https://pastebin.com/mbJcL49k 2017-11-30T19:09:11 < kakimir> does she have something to do with electronics? 2017-11-30T19:09:28 < Laurenceb> yeah she writes firmware and does modelling and shit 2017-11-30T19:09:29 < jpa-> qyx: heh, thanks :P 2017-11-30T19:09:30 < Laurenceb> same as me 2017-11-30T19:09:45 < kakimir> are you serious? 2017-11-30T19:10:02 < englishman> Laurenceb: not clicking 2017-11-30T19:10:05 < englishman> characterize my shit 2017-11-30T19:10:13 < Laurenceb> lulwut... 2017-11-30T19:10:14 < Laurenceb> maybe 2017-11-30T19:10:19 < Laurenceb> if you post raw data 2017-11-30T19:10:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T19:10:29 < Laurenceb> kakimir: of course 2017-11-30T19:10:35 < Laurenceb> grrrls can code too 2017-11-30T19:10:59 < Laurenceb> *Zoe Quinn* 2017-11-30T19:10:59 < kakimir> but firmware 2017-11-30T19:11:05 < kakimir> that is hardcore 2017-11-30T19:11:15 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: ask her where she learnt microcontrollers 2017-11-30T19:11:29 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: at Soviet research place 2017-11-30T19:11:36 < Laurenceb> she is like 35 2017-11-30T19:11:39 < kakimir> siberia taught her 2017-11-30T19:12:10 < kakimir> did she have a choise? 2017-11-30T19:12:14 < Steffanx> Hows your drivers license theory exam Laurenceb ? 2017-11-30T19:12:14 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: but it's like 26 years since soviet is gone, so that doesn't seem possible. 2017-11-30T19:12:36 < kakimir> some research institutes was left 2017-11-30T19:12:47 < PaulFertser> Yes, but they're not soviet anymore. 2017-11-30T19:13:01 < kakimir> maybe she was a prodigy 2017-11-30T19:13:11 < PaulFertser> Also, I'd expect someone to graduate from some uni before being hired by a research institute. 2017-11-30T19:13:33 < Laurenceb> *ex* soviet 2017-11-30T19:14:37 < Steffanx> I get this "who is trolling who"-feeling again 2017-11-30T19:14:57 < kakimir> oh I must return to code 2017-11-30T19:15:07 < kakimir> laurenceb got me once again 2017-11-30T19:15:47 < kakimir> Laurenceb: maybe she is just playing psychological games with you to check your shiet 2017-11-30T19:16:16 < Laurenceb> I dont care tbh 2017-11-30T19:16:39 < kakimir> is she drunk? 2017-11-30T19:16:47 < Laurenceb> usually 2017-11-30T19:17:00 < Laurenceb> she typically turns up for "work" at 4pm 2017-11-30T19:17:18 < kakimir> like I do 2017-11-30T19:17:23 < kakimir> but not drunk 2017-11-30T19:17:31 < Laurenceb> but as the supervisor only ever sends idiotic emails about once a week nobody cares 2017-11-30T19:17:35 < PaulFertser> Prefer to get drunk at workplace instead? 2017-11-30T19:17:45 < Laurenceb> she has vodka under desk 2017-11-30T19:18:04 < Laurenceb> this morning she has 4kg of chocolate cake 2017-11-30T19:18:11 < PaulFertser> Probably that's a necessity when he has to write VHDL. 2017-11-30T19:18:15 < Laurenceb> I had to eat half :( 2017-11-30T19:18:33 < kakimir> she is force feeding you 2017-11-30T19:18:42 < Laurenceb> :-( 2017-11-30T19:19:00 < Laurenceb> and my BMI was spot on... 2017-11-30T19:19:15 < kakimir> don't eat 2kg of cake 2017-11-30T19:19:15 < karlp> man, -Wconversion is a bit noisy. probably worth looking at though 2017-11-30T19:19:26 < kakimir> don't even eat cake 2017-11-30T19:19:30 < kakimir> I don't 2017-11-30T19:19:45 < kakimir> cake is like one of most harmful things 2017-11-30T19:20:07 < Laurenceb> less harmful than the TIMING JITTER 2017-11-30T19:20:20 < kakimir> body fat, sugar levels, tiredness, teeth 2017-11-30T19:21:06 < kakimir> actually I eat cake but like only really small piece 2017-11-30T19:21:33 < kakimir> stil overwhelmed by the sugar content 2017-11-30T19:21:47 < sync> wat 2017-11-30T19:21:57 < sync> gotta turn up your sugar resistance 2017-11-30T19:21:58 < emeb> no stroopwafel for you 2017-11-30T19:22:04 < sync> same as with caffeine 2017-11-30T19:22:38 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/nP0uKKO.gifv 2017-11-30T19:23:09 < kakimir> caffeine doesn't ruin teeth, cause body fat or ballistic sugar levels 2017-11-30T19:23:29 < englishman> correct, snort as much as you want 2017-11-30T19:23:50 < kakimir> it's just a dope 2017-11-30T19:24:11 < kakimir> body function accelerator 2017-11-30T19:26:21 < kakimir> I better change all my strn* functions to safe 2017-11-30T19:26:56 < kakimir> because more performance when it breaks at '0' 2017-11-30T19:27:18 < kakimir> '\0' 2017-11-30T19:28:49 < Steffanx> Need new waffle care package kakimir ? 2017-11-30T19:29:00 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2017-11-30T19:29:21 < BrainDamage> did you put the stroop dealer in your CV? 2017-11-30T19:29:55 < kakimir> Steffanx: nah man I'm good 2017-11-30T19:30:12 < Steffanx> Not yet BrainDamage 2017-11-30T19:30:26 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T19:30:27 < kakimir> thanks for offering though 2017-11-30T19:30:43 < Steffanx> Havent shipped waffles to ##stm32ers in months 2017-11-30T19:30:45 < Steffanx> :o 2017-11-30T19:30:55 < kakimir> I need to get you reindeer this winter 2017-11-30T19:31:04 < Ultrasauce> is it my turn steffy 2017-11-30T19:31:06 < Steffanx> But i understand, crt almost died 2017-11-30T19:31:11 < englishman> i miss peterm 2017-11-30T19:31:21 < englishman> ultra hows the phone 2017-11-30T19:31:25 < englishman> mine is already scratched 2017-11-30T19:31:29 < Ultrasauce> still in the mail 2017-11-30T19:31:31 < englishman> guerrillaglass my butt 2017-11-30T19:31:32 < Steffanx> Yeah where is peter? 2017-11-30T19:32:13 < kakimir> right way to eat stroopwaffles is to place caramel on top of one and then pile it up with another waffle 2017-11-30T19:33:05 < BrainDamage> tell me again how stroop aren't sugar kakimir, but cakes are 2017-11-30T19:36:24 < Steffanx> did you know crt/stvn almost died from diabetes after eating the 1.5kg stroopwaffles, Ultrasauce? :D 2017-11-30T19:36:33 < kakimir> I'm being sarcastic 2017-11-30T19:36:42 < Ultrasauce> no but that explains a lot 2017-11-30T19:38:13 < Steffanx> 1.5KG is the usual amount 2017-11-30T19:41:32 < englishman> 1.5kg of stroopwafel in 24 hours is not usual by any metric 2017-11-30T19:41:53 < daey> having eaten them....my god :O 2017-11-30T19:42:14 < daey> *not the 1.5kg* simply stroopwafles 2017-11-30T19:53:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T19:59:05 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T19:59:53 < englishman> Steffanx: 5 different fedex shipments on this 75-line arrow order (so far) 2017-11-30T20:00:05 < englishman> not even a big order, just a bunch of different lines 2017-11-30T20:00:10 < englishman> 100% sure they are losing money on this one 2017-11-30T20:00:17 < Steffanx> 6 items shipped? 2017-11-30T20:00:32 < englishman> this last shipment has 9 lines yeah 2017-11-30T20:00:37 < Steffanx> And are you sure they shipped the right amount? 2017-11-30T20:00:45 < englishman> i wont know until it arrives 2017-11-30T20:00:46 < englishman> loll 2017-11-30T20:00:50 < englishman> invoice has #ERROR in total 2017-11-30T20:00:55 < Steffanx> Better keep us posted.. 2017-11-30T20:01:00 < englishman> definitely 2017-11-30T20:03:14 < Steffanx> You sohuld rename to ArrowMan. 2017-11-30T20:04:04 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2017-11-30T20:10:54 < kakimir> new freertos errors 2017-11-30T20:12:01 < kakimir> undefined references to multiple __sys_* 2017-11-30T20:12:32 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T20:12:40 < kakimir> apparently you need to 2017-11-30T20:12:52 < kakimir> define printf or something 2017-11-30T20:14:11 < kakimir> linker errors no compile errors 2017-11-30T20:19:17 < kakimir> it's actually first print format call in my whole program 2017-11-30T20:19:38 < kakimir> and there is 10kilolines of code 2017-11-30T20:24:39 < kakimir> I made whole decimal number encoding decoding library to avoid using standard functions 2017-11-30T20:24:55 < kakimir> and it should be fast too 2017-11-30T20:29:16 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T20:30:09 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2017-11-30T20:44:53 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T20:49:44 < kakimir> I wonder why malloc works in library function but printf doesn't work in function in main 2017-11-30T20:49:50 < kakimir> main.c 2017-11-30T20:54:44 < aandrew> you've redirected stdout? 2017-11-30T20:54:53 < aandrew> and implemented stubs for all the stream related shit? 2017-11-30T20:55:09 < kakimir> I don't use prinf but snprintf 2017-11-30T20:55:23 < kakimir> only for formating 2017-11-30T20:58:05 < kakimir> I have -nostdlibs checked by default in project parameters :/ 2017-11-30T20:58:44 < kakimir> but as I investigate new problem arises 2017-11-30T20:59:02 < kakimir> I have code red c lib 2017-11-30T20:59:35 < kakimir> apparently I need to somehow work code red and freertos to play together 2017-11-30T21:01:10 < kakimir> I have also option to chose from newlib newlib-nano and code red also I can pick no c library 2017-11-30T21:09:07 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2017-11-30T21:09:47 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y4j1GJTd8TFsMfPTM1XOqfF1lkWqwfP1/view?usp=sharing 2017-11-30T21:17:12 < kakimir> kay.. if I enable standard libs it hardfaults 2017-11-30T21:17:14 < Laurenceb> >ovencontrol 2017-11-30T21:17:55 < Steffanx> Do you use malloc or the freertos malloc stuff kakimir? If you use malloc, do you have the heap stuff configured? 2017-11-30T21:18:33 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode#Oven 2017-11-30T21:18:45 < Steffanx> Im sure Laurenceb prefers the dutch oven. 2017-11-30T21:19:14 < kakimir> Steffanx: I have not configured nothing 2017-11-30T21:19:28 < Steffanx> not nothing? 2017-11-30T21:19:57 < kakimir> not not nothing 2017-11-30T21:20:32 < kakimir> can you help me Steffanx 2017-11-30T21:20:36 < kakimir> ? 2017-11-30T21:20:55 < Steffanx> its under mcu settings i believe, you can do some heap stuff there. but it has a size of 0x400 by default i believe. 2017-11-30T21:21:10 < kakimir> mcu settings? 2017-11-30T21:21:10 < Steffanx> i should stop believing. 2017-11-30T21:21:12 < Laurenceb> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/094/923/d3d.png 2017-11-30T21:21:27 < kakimir> believing in me? 2017-11-30T21:21:28 < Steffanx> Yes in the screenshot you just posted, is the memory config 2017-11-30T21:21:42 < Steffanx> lol no kakimir. I just say "i believe" too often. 2017-11-30T21:22:25 < kakimir> there is only rams and flash 2017-11-30T21:22:37 < kakimir> has always been 2017-11-30T21:22:42 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T21:22:53 < kakimir> should I define heap in there? 2017-11-30T21:23:16 < Steffanx> I think so 2017-11-30T21:23:20 < Steffanx> Not sure :P 2017-11-30T21:23:43 < kakimir> I don't think so 2017-11-30T21:23:51 < Steffanx> Probably depends on your syscall stuff 2017-11-30T21:23:56 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.104.22] has quit [Quit: sleep] 2017-11-30T21:26:12 < kakimir> it's easy to call vPortMalloc 2017-11-30T21:26:27 < kakimir> but with printf I don't know exactly 2017-11-30T21:29:46 < Steffanx> That's why you normally reimplement the neccessary syscalls. _sbrk_r etc. and allocate the memory using the os functions. 2017-11-30T21:30:24 < Steffanx> You decided to use redlib or newlib(-nano)? 2017-11-30T21:30:38 < kakimir> redlib it seems 2017-11-30T21:30:42 < kakimir> default option 2017-11-30T21:30:58 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T21:31:53 < kakimir> I don't have a clue what _sbrk_r is 2017-11-30T21:31:57 < mra90> is there any channel for RF FM (radio) 2017-11-30T21:32:06 < kakimir> to be clear 2017-11-30T21:32:26 < kakimir> what kind of radio? 2017-11-30T21:32:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T21:34:08 < kakimir> Steffanx: which one is better and easier for me redlib or newlib? 2017-11-30T21:34:25 < kakimir> new freertos has this newlib reentrant thing 2017-11-30T21:34:34 < kakimir> someone said you need to write hooks 2017-11-30T21:34:43 < Steffanx> i prefer newlib-nano, but im not sure if it really matters. I mean redlib vs newlib-nano. 2017-11-30T21:34:58 < kakimir> well reentrant suport 2017-11-30T21:36:27 < kakimir> doesn't it mean you can use standard functions with freertos? 2017-11-30T21:38:24 < kakimir> I don't have syscalls.c 2017-11-30T21:40:10 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T21:42:16 < kakimir> Steffanx: do you use newlib reentrant feature? 2017-11-30T21:42:25 < kakimir> in freertos if you use it? 2017-11-30T21:43:08 < Steffanx> I used some reentrant functions yes. 2017-11-30T21:43:23 < Steffanx> I dont know how to do the heap stuff in lpcxpresso btw. I only used mcuxpresso. :P 2017-11-30T21:44:15 < Steffanx> mcuxpresso has some clickery click option for it 2017-11-30T21:45:27 < kakimir> I just change heap size in FreeRTOSConfig.h 2017-11-30T21:45:54 < kakimir> should I do something more for it? 2017-11-30T21:47:16 < kakimir> wait wat.. nxp has 2 similar tools 2017-11-30T21:47:28 < kakimir> lpcxpresso and mcuxpresso 2017-11-30T21:47:30 < kakimir> why? 2017-11-30T21:48:00 < kakimir> (code size unlimited) also 2017-11-30T21:48:22 < Steffanx> mcuxpresso is the new lpcxpresso where they intergrated the lpc and freescale tooling 2017-11-30T21:48:23 < Steffanx> s 2017-11-30T21:48:36 < Steffanx> *combined 2017-11-30T21:48:39 < kakimir> sweet 2017-11-30T21:48:46 < kakimir> time to migrate this shit 2017-11-30T21:48:51 < kakimir> *shiet sorry 2017-11-30T21:49:15 < kakimir> there is no code red in it anymore it seems 2017-11-30T21:49:17 < Steffanx> what heap*.c did kakimir use again? 2017-11-30T21:49:19 < Steffanx> there is. 2017-11-30T21:49:25 < kakimir> heap3 2017-11-30T21:49:32 < zyp> heap of shit 2017-11-30T21:49:32 < Steffanx> at least there is redlib. 2017-11-30T21:49:38 < kakimir> that 2017-11-30T21:49:59 < Steffanx> simply wraps the standard malloc() and free() for thread safety <3 2017-11-30T21:50:13 < kakimir> mcuxpresso? 2017-11-30T21:50:28 < Steffanx> no heap3. Just quoted freertos.website 2017-11-30T21:50:28 < kakimir> heap3? 2017-11-30T21:50:37 < kakimir> that is why those work nicelly 2017-11-30T21:51:05 < kakimir> I have not tried to interrupt those malloc-free ranges 2017-11-30T21:53:22 < kakimir> Steffanx: url=? 2017-11-30T21:53:31 < kakimir> that same old heap page? 2017-11-30T21:54:07 < Steffanx> Yes sir. 2017-11-30T21:54:32 < kakimir> https://www.freertos.org/FreeRTOS_Support_Forum_Archive/April_2017/freertos_heap3_203131f9j.html 2017-11-30T21:54:36 < kakimir> If you are using heap3 then malloc() is provided by your compiler, so 2017-11-30T21:54:36 < kakimir> we can't answer this and you will need to refer to the compiler 2017-11-30T21:54:36 < kakimir> documentation or vendor support. However, heap3 uses crude scheduler 2017-11-30T21:54:36 < kakimir> locks to ensure calls to malloc() and free cannot be interrupted by 2017-11-30T21:54:39 < kakimir> other tasks. 2017-11-30T21:55:12 < kakimir> old info? 2017-11-30T21:56:26 < Steffanx> old but still relevant? 2017-11-30T21:57:22 < kakimir> okay so task can not be interrupted between malloc and free 2017-11-30T21:57:29 < kakimir> by a task 2017-11-30T21:58:15 < kakimir> still better to use vPort functions then if timing is critical? 2017-11-30T21:58:28 < Steffanx> No, just the calls itself cannot be interrupted. At least that's how i interpret that sentence. 2017-11-30T21:58:59 < Steffanx> -s 2017-11-30T21:59:59 < Steffanx> Would be interesting if you allocate memory to never free it, if what you said is true kakimir :P 2017-11-30T22:01:14 < kakimir> certainly it can't disable tasks interupting between malloc free 2017-11-30T22:01:28 < kakimir> sometimes you malloc but never free 2017-11-30T22:02:23 < kakimir> so lpcxpresso is version 8.2 2017-11-30T22:02:31 < kakimir> this one is like 10.1 2017-11-30T22:02:49 < kakimir> I wondered if nxp cares a shi 2017-11-30T22:03:42 < Steffanx> Why would they mr kakimir 2017-11-30T22:03:58 < kakimir> I mean their ide was like.. falling behind 2017-11-30T22:04:16 < Steffanx> Compared to anything ST provides it's not really falling behind :P 2017-11-30T22:04:21 < Steffanx> And when you dont hate eclipse. 2017-11-30T22:04:54 < kakimir> I start to learn eclipse 2017-11-30T22:05:14 < kakimir> but lpcxpresso was like based on some 2010 eclipse 2017-11-30T22:05:43 < kakimir> then I saw no updates has been released since like last year 2017-11-30T22:06:02 < kakimir> assumed they were done with it 2017-11-30T22:07:04 < Steffanx> The latest lpcxpresso didnt have to code size limit anymore either. 2017-11-30T22:07:42 < Steffanx> /to/that/ 2017-11-30T22:08:23 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-30T22:08:35 < kakimir> mine has 2017-11-30T22:08:41 < kakimir> i think it's latest 2017-11-30T22:08:44 < kakimir> 8.2.2 or so 2017-11-30T22:09:05 < kakimir> unregisted version 8k size limit 2017-11-30T22:09:42 < Steffanx> Really? I only know about some 256k limit it had once 2017-11-30T22:10:07 < kakimir> waa 2017-11-30T22:11:11 < kakimir> what is _sbrk_r? 2017-11-30T22:11:55 < Steffanx> Google it, but it's probably irrelevant when you use heap3 2017-11-30T22:12:37 < Steffanx> it's more useful when you do not use heap3 and want other calls to malloc to use calls to for example pvMalloc etc. 2017-11-30T22:12:56 < kakimir> if I want to use heap with higher number? 2017-11-30T22:14:16 < Steffanx> No, you can use it when you want functions that call malloc not let malloc do its magic, but "redirect" it to your own allocation functions. 2017-11-30T22:14:35 < Steffanx> like chibios http://chibios.sourceforge.net/html/syscalls_8c_source.html 2017-11-30T22:16:52 < kakimir> it's no problem to use vPortMalloc instead of malloc 2017-11-30T22:17:34 < kakimir> I fear that I need to change to higher heap number sooner or later 2017-11-30T22:18:22 < kakimir> to let heap expand across sram banks 2017-11-30T22:18:58 < Steffanx> if you use heap3 and that uses malloc, its likely you have to do the heap magic in the linker script as well. 2017-11-30T22:21:25 < kakimir> oh 2017-11-30T22:22:02 < Steffanx> but mcuxpresso has this fancy setting for it in C/C++ Build > Settings > Managed Linker Script 2017-11-30T22:22:26 < Steffanx> Like a real keil guy you should do it all using a GUI 2017-11-30T22:22:37 < Steffanx> Makes you feel more pro. 2017-11-30T22:24:11 < kakimir> it makes you cool 2017-11-30T22:24:31 < upgrdman> does digikey (or any tool i guess) have a way to see if a part uses a common footprint/design? e.g. if im looking for a regulator, but want to have multiple sources for pin-compatible ones, is there a way to see that? 2017-11-30T22:25:51 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T22:31:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T22:34:34 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T22:36:53 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T22:38:51 < aandrew> upgrdman: I haven't found anythign like that 2017-11-30T22:38:58 < upgrdman> k :( 2017-11-30T22:39:12 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2017-11-30T22:39:36 < kakimir> what is _DEFUN? 2017-11-30T22:39:53 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-30T22:42:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.91.195] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2017-11-30T22:44:35 < kakimir> Steffanx: what gnu mcu eclipse component do you install usually? 2017-11-30T22:52:05 < Steffanx> uh? 2017-11-30T22:53:00 < kakimir> assuming you use openocd 2017-11-30T22:53:53 < Steffanx> Last time when i used mcuxpresso was at work and just used the build in stuff 2017-11-30T22:54:42 < Steffanx> or wasnt that the question? 2017-11-30T22:54:55 < kakimir> nah 2017-11-30T22:55:03 < kakimir> irrelevant 2017-11-30T22:55:30 < kakimir> I just try to figure which packages are useful to have 2017-11-30T23:22:01 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T23:28:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2017-11-30T23:33:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T23:35:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2017-11-30T23:41:55 < kakimir> how it that in wireless bridge mode speed is halved? 2017-11-30T23:42:18 < kakimir> just watching some linustechtips infortainment 2017-11-30T23:42:31 < BrainDamage> because wifi is half duplex 2017-11-30T23:42:38 < BrainDamage> it has to receive, store, and retransmit 2017-11-30T23:44:11 < zyp> does it matter? 2017-11-30T23:44:21 < zyp> run cables to anything that needs speed 2017-11-30T23:44:53 < kakimir> what if it's only a 2 point link BrainDamage ? 2017-11-30T23:45:11 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2017-11-30T23:45:13 < kakimir> radios talk to each other only 2017-11-30T23:45:29 < kakimir> there is no AP at the other end 2017-11-30T23:45:36 < kakimir> just a wire 2017-11-30T23:45:46 < zyp> speed is halved vs what then? 2017-11-30T23:46:51 < zyp> a client bridging to cabled lan isn't really different from any other client, so there's no speed impact there 2017-11-30T23:47:36 < BrainDamage> it's only routers in repeater mode that suffer from speed penalty 2017-11-30T23:47:55 < BrainDamage> the moment you translate to a wire, you don't have to toggle the radio on/off more than you would with a reg ap/client 2017-11-30T23:47:57 < kakimir> that is what I thought 2017-11-30T23:48:49 < kakimir> so I set my ubiquiti side as Access Point WDS 2017-11-30T23:49:09 < kakimir> and another side router to be yet selected as Station WDS 2017-11-30T23:49:46 < kakimir> and I have transparent bridge? 2017-11-30T23:51:04 < kakimir> sweet 2017-11-30T23:54:33 < kakimir> I wonder if there is downsides to WDS 2017-11-30T23:54:57 < qyx> in wds repeater mode the speed is (at least) halved 2017-11-30T23:55:04 < qyx> but wds repeater !'wds bridge 2017-11-30T23:55:11 < qyx> *!= 2017-11-30T23:55:57 < qyx> wds just adds a second ethernet header on top of 802.11 to allow more mac addresses on the 802.11 client side 2017-11-30T23:56:09 < qyx> otherwise fancy things are needed, such as L2 NAT or similar 2017-11-30T23:56:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2017-11-30T23:57:41 < kakimir> yes 2017-11-30T23:57:48 < kakimir> so it's not bad 2017-11-30T23:58:15 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2017-11-30T23:58:37 < englishman> lol ARROW electronics goes under "home improvement" category on my credit card 2017-11-30T23:58:42 < englishman> so i get 2% back 2017-11-30T23:58:46 < kakimir> I thought I would buy asus rt-n12 but it only supports wep encryption in WDS mode --- Log closed Fri Dec 01 00:00:22 2017