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2017-12-01T00:13:50 < karlp> englishman: you don't get a percentage back on everything, just on some arbitrary categories of stuff?
2017-12-01T00:14:02 < karlp> this reminds me of us company buiness trips,
2017-12-01T00:14:03 < englishman> yeah but its higher percentage in some categories
2017-12-01T00:14:26 < karlp> where all the alcohol you get on the bill for dinner was "free" but not if it was just drinks and that sort of fucking around
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2017-12-01T00:20:11 < Steffanx> Is that a normal thing in creditcard land englishman ?
2017-12-01T00:20:20 < englishman> guess so
2017-12-01T00:21:21 < Steffanx> Dutchland isnt really ccland, so i wouldnt know
2017-12-01T00:21:41 < englishman> even drug dealers take credit cards, cash is pretty rare now
2017-12-01T00:23:22 < Steffanx> Wouldnt know that either, never bought drugs
2017-12-01T00:24:57 < Steffanx> Did the ARROW deliver yet, englishman ?
2017-12-01T00:25:30 < englishman> yes. 4 packages
2017-12-01T00:26:03 < BrainDamage> yeah, people were looking at me weird for using cash
2017-12-01T00:26:43 < Steffanx> Sure it was thr cash?
2017-12-01T00:26:54 < BrainDamage> what's thr
2017-12-01T00:27:15 < karlp> the
2017-12-01T00:27:37 < BrainDamage> well, cash was part of it
2017-12-01T00:27:56 < BrainDamage> as least the weirder looks was while i was paying
2017-12-01T00:28:21 < englishman> at least the penny was discontinued some years ago
2017-12-01T00:29:02 < BrainDamage> but i was busy being weirded out myself with your tipping culture
2017-12-01T00:29:07 < Steffanx> Better learn to understand my typos BrainDamage
2017-12-01T00:29:12 < englishman> yeah that sux
2017-12-01T00:29:33 < BrainDamage> also your prices not including vat, wtf
2017-12-01T00:29:39 < englishman> that too
2017-12-01T00:30:26 < Steffanx> You tip a drugs dealer and the prices are without vat?
2017-12-01T00:30:28 < zyp> Steffanx, you don't have cc discounts?
2017-12-01T00:30:55 < Steffanx> Nope, not that i know of zyp. I hardly use a cc anyway.
2017-12-01T00:31:16 < Steffanx> We have another card with pincode to pay with.
2017-12-01T00:31:18 < zyp> I have one that gives me 3% at any gas station
2017-12-01T00:31:23 < Steffanx> Or real mumny.
2017-12-01T00:31:24 < zyp> that one is not seeing much use nowadays
2017-12-01T00:31:29 < Steffanx> Munny*
2017-12-01T00:31:30 < englishman> haha
2017-12-01T00:32:09 < zyp> Steffanx, oh, both debit and credit are chip+pin here, no difference in that regard
2017-12-01T00:32:30 < BrainDamage> same here
2017-12-01T00:32:43 < BrainDamage> oh yeah, that was another insanity, seeing people use chip + signature
2017-12-01T00:32:54 < englishman> thats probably due to foreign card
2017-12-01T00:33:01 < englishman> pps have no idea what to do with those still
2017-12-01T00:33:09 < zyp> apparently I'm getting a new card with nfc capability in a few weeks
2017-12-01T00:33:23 < englishman> nfc is everywhere here except home depot, they have old pos
2017-12-01T00:33:26 < Steffanx> Mine has that. Never use it.
2017-12-01T00:33:32 < BrainDamage> here they've been pushing nfc since more than 5 years
2017-12-01T00:33:43 < zyp> my bank is a bit late on that, so they've only started recently
2017-12-01T00:34:00 < BrainDamage> they went insofar to have pinless microtransactions ( <6€ ), but so far hardly any success
2017-12-01T00:34:03 < kakimir> my bank is empty
2017-12-01T00:34:08 < Steffanx> Haha
2017-12-01T00:34:21 < kakimir> time to get this link done so I get muh moneys out of it
2017-12-01T00:34:25 < Steffanx> Better get a credit card
2017-12-01T00:34:33 < kakimir> it is not
2017-12-01T00:35:02 < kakimir> when I'm in debt I get credit card
2017-12-01T00:35:05 < Steffanx> kakimir is government funded jow?
2017-12-01T00:35:12 < Steffanx> Now
2017-12-01T00:35:24 < Steffanx> Or jew, whatever you prefer
2017-12-01T00:35:31 < kakimir> so I can put money from one pocket to another more efficiently
2017-12-01T00:35:39 < kakimir> nah
2017-12-01T00:36:16 < Steffanx> No more pilot ambitions?
2017-12-01T00:36:16 < kakimir> trick in debt is to get new debt
2017-12-01T00:36:28 < kakimir> nah it was a glitch
2017-12-01T00:36:46 < Steffanx> This is not the matrix..
2017-12-01T00:37:05 < englishman> debt is extremely useful
2017-12-01T00:37:18 < kakimir> it would have been too hard to limit my creative nature
2017-12-01T00:37:21 < karlp> cheaper than savings :)
2017-12-01T00:37:27 < kakimir> true
2017-12-01T00:37:55 < kakimir> Steffanx: I want to become a pilot
2017-12-01T00:38:05 < kakimir> but first I want to make monah
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2017-12-01T00:38:24 < kakimir> then pay school and plane with cash
2017-12-01T00:38:33 < BrainDamage> i read with crash
2017-12-01T00:38:59 < BrainDamage> i was wondering if you were planning to fake your death
2017-12-01T00:39:17 < kakimir> that must be whole another episode
2017-12-01T00:41:54 < kakimir> I will make one of my laptops as wireless access point to replace this rt-u66n
2017-12-01T00:42:15 < kakimir> then connect panel antenna at another end of link with rt-u66n
2017-12-01T00:42:34 < kakimir> WDS station mode on
2017-12-01T00:42:46 < kakimir> connect wires and get internets
2017-12-01T00:43:25 < kakimir> then if there is need for upgrade in speed just throw new ubiquiti M2 in and another panel in rt-u66n
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2017-12-01T00:44:30 < kakimir> plan is complete
2017-12-01T00:45:33 < kakimir> also I get my linux server I have planned out of that few years old i5 laptop
2017-12-01T00:45:51 < kakimir> it could even be my compile server
2017-12-01T00:46:17 < kakimir> has more powah than my thin client
2017-12-01T00:46:23 < kakimir> or my desktop
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2017-12-01T00:49:11 < kakimir> time to landslide time with linux pumpin
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2017-12-01T01:02:33 < kakimir> okay same problem with rt-ac66u
2017-12-01T01:02:55 < kakimir> wds supports only wep authencation
2017-12-01T01:02:59 < kakimir> I wonder why
2017-12-01T01:03:10 < kakimir> maybe some chipset restriction
2017-12-01T01:06:17 < kakimir> okay it's technical limitation of WDS
2017-12-01T01:07:27 < kakimir> but still ubiquiti supports it :/
2017-12-01T01:08:53 < kakimir> will see
2017-12-01T01:09:46 < kakimir> some forum says it reqires one station and one ap so wpa2 can be uset
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2017-12-01T01:28:15 < kakimir> https://community.ubnt.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/71791i13B0ADE9F02AE402/image-size/large?v=lz-1&px=-1 what is happening here?
2017-12-01T01:30:14 < kakimir> okay there is filter
2017-12-01T01:30:51 < kakimir> feed cables branching up
2017-12-01T01:31:00 < kakimir> but what are those rigs
2017-12-01T01:31:43 < kakimir> they are mixing something together there
2017-12-01T01:36:57 < kakimir> maybe it's some kind of mimo setting
2017-12-01T01:37:16 < kakimir> fill the band
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2017-12-01T01:51:55 < upgrdman> damn, these red murata isolated dc/dc things stand out like a sore thumb on the green pcb   http://www.farrellf.com/temp/red_murata.jpg
2017-12-01T01:52:46 < kakimir> cool
2017-12-01T01:53:07 < kakimir> what is it?
2017-12-01T01:53:10 < upgrdman> and they rattle. guessing the ferrite core is floating in its thick ass pcb
2017-12-01T01:53:45 < upgrdman> kakimir, controls a machine with an xray generator, xray detectors, ac motors, etc.
2017-12-01T01:54:34 < upgrdman> needs some SMA connects huh
2017-12-01T01:56:10 < kakimir> nah
2017-12-01T01:56:33 < kakimir> there is controllers with sma down the line?
2017-12-01T01:56:37 < kakimir> SMAs
2017-12-01T01:56:49 < kakimir> I assume that is just the main controller
2017-12-01T01:56:58 < upgrdman> no :( but ass loads of ribbon cables and molex shitz
2017-12-01T01:57:15 < kakimir> there is no analog shiet in therE?
2017-12-01T01:57:21 < kakimir> and power controlling
2017-12-01T01:57:28 < kakimir> down the line?
2017-12-01T01:57:39 < upgrdman> analog shitz running through ribbon cables, but its differential so its fine
2017-12-01T01:58:09 < kakimir> I assumed everything there was digital buffers
2017-12-01T01:58:42 < upgrdman> ya this board is ~all digital, except for voltage and current monitoring which isnt very demanding
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2017-12-01T02:00:59 < Laurenceb_> >lunix only \o/
2017-12-01T02:01:05 < Laurenceb_> you mean GNU-Linux
2017-12-01T02:03:35 < kakimir> I saw the current and voltage monitoring
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2017-12-01T02:13:22 < Laurenceb_> RONALD BLUMPF
2017-12-01T02:13:32 < Laurenceb_> DRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNFDPF
2017-12-01T02:24:05 < emeb> drugs are bad, m'kay?
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2017-12-01T02:44:26 < englishman> beep kakimir
2017-12-01T02:44:27 < c4017w__> How do you implement a software reset? Just jump to the reset handler?
2017-12-01T02:45:46 < c4017w__> That would leave registers on their current state. Is there some way to reset 'everything' back to default state without removing power?
2017-12-01T02:45:54 < englishman> pretty much https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/e582e0ce6321b7dd2293a60264e1040d0cbac5a4/src/drv_system.c#L200-L213
2017-12-01T02:45:59 < kakimir> englishman: boop
2017-12-01T02:46:35 < kakimir> tryinh to bridge wlan0 to eth0
2017-12-01T02:46:40 < kakimir> in graphical interface
2017-12-01T02:47:06 < englishman> not even jump, just set sys reset flag
2017-12-01T02:47:12 < englishman> kaks i just bought a finnish riffle
2017-12-01T02:47:29 < kakimir> lahti?
2017-12-01T02:47:36 < englishman> hehe
2017-12-01T02:53:54 < kakimir> what then?
2017-12-01T02:53:58 < kakimir> tikka?
2017-12-01T02:54:06 < englishman> sent pm
2017-12-01T02:54:39 < kakimir> mine is heavier
2017-12-01T02:54:56 < kakimir> :)
2017-12-01T02:55:04 < kakimir> is it tikka?
2017-12-01T02:55:18 < englishman> lahti is big for møøse
2017-12-01T02:55:21 < englishman> yes
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2017-12-01T03:16:58 < kakimir> friend has really similar setup
2017-12-01T03:17:02 < kakimir> legs and all
2017-12-01T03:17:11 < kakimir> but with silencer
2017-12-01T03:19:22 < englishman> doesnt come with scope or that bipod thankfully
2017-12-01T03:19:29 < englishman> cool
2017-12-01T03:42:18 < kakimir> it was easy fun
2017-12-01T03:42:44 < kakimir> but my rifle was mor accurate
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2017-12-01T05:48:38 < ohsix> boogies
2017-12-01T05:54:24 < upgrdman> anyone here know much about american plumbing connectors? this has a 3/8" connector on one end, but i need that type that has a brass ball inside it, instead of the brass tube inside this one:  https://www.homedepot.com/p/3-8-in-Compression-x-1-2-in-FIP-x-20-in-Braided-Polymer-Faucet-Connector-B1-20A-F/100459572
2017-12-01T05:54:54 < upgrdman> that one is "3/8 in compression" ... but i dont know what the ball kind is called :(
2017-12-01T06:01:25 < dongs> 3/8 lol
2017-12-01T06:01:30 < dongs> fucking muricans
2017-12-01T06:01:37 < dongs> gay numbers are gay
2017-12-01T06:02:21 < MrMobius> ya base 8 is dumb
2017-12-01T06:02:24 < MrMobius> same as base 12
2017-12-01T06:02:30 < MrMobius> we should change time to metric too
2017-12-01T06:28:38 < tpw_rules> and temperature to celcius
2017-12-01T06:28:51 < tpw_rules> celsius
2017-12-01T06:52:41 < jadew> have SSD prices been going up?
2017-12-01T06:54:35 < jadew> seems like yes, wtf
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2017-12-01T07:01:59 < branjb> in phy is device ID and address the same thing
2017-12-01T07:03:09 < dongs> https://everlightamericas.com/rectangular-flat-top/1287/easr3212wa0.html what the fuck everlight
2017-12-01T07:03:23 < dongs> datasheet says pcb hole is 2mm
2017-12-01T07:03:27 < dongs> i download their fucking 3d model
2017-12-01T07:03:30 < dongs> it sticks out of the hoe
2017-12-01T07:03:32 < dongs> hole
2017-12-01T07:03:34 < dongs> ...
2017-12-01T07:10:03 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/jacGozt.jpg
2017-12-01T07:15:09 < dongs> are yo usuggesting me to kill myself
2017-12-01T07:15:41 < englishman> it's national suicide month
2017-12-01T07:20:25 < aandrew> hahaha "A Turkish Airlines flight from Nairobi to Istanbul was diverted after the detection of a wi-fi network called "bomb on board" that alarmed the passengers"
2017-12-01T07:21:50 < branjb> lol
2017-12-01T07:28:27 < dongs> my wifi hotspot SSID is "Galaxy NOT 7"
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2017-12-01T07:34:36 < aandrew> and the passphrase is natto4lyfe
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2017-12-01T07:37:57 < branjb> if I can talk to the phy, registers look good, but no link is establishing where should I check from there?
2017-12-01T07:38:05 < branjb> should be auto negotiating but I don't see anything in wireshark
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2017-12-01T08:40:12 < PaulFertser> branjb: are you checking the autoneg and link bits in phy registers?
2017-12-01T08:43:04 < qyx> by the way, the phy should connect without the mac conneted, at least all micrel phys I used do that
2017-12-01T08:43:33 < qyx> and the leds should lit (default config)
2017-12-01T08:44:25 < qyx> and autonegotiation messages are not visible in the wireshark
2017-12-01T08:45:37 < qyx> but if you send a broadcast on the same L2 network domain, one of the leds blinks
2017-12-01T08:45:40 < qyx> branjb: whych phy?
2017-12-01T08:46:01 < PaulFertser> branjb: yes, what qyx says
2017-12-01T08:47:59 < PaulFertser> branjb: if that is not happening, probably the phy is lacking 50MHz input.
2017-12-01T08:52:12 < branjb> using the LAN8720a
2017-12-01T08:52:29 < branjb> LED1 stays solid lit
2017-12-01T08:53:08 < branjb> checking the link status bit in the SR shows link is down
2017-12-01T08:53:12 < branjb> dunno where to go from here
2017-12-01T08:57:02 < qyx> can you post the schematic?
2017-12-01T09:02:56 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/qC8nW
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2017-12-01T09:05:10 < qyx> everything looks ok except the transformer center taps
2017-12-01T09:05:29 < branjb> would that completely hose me?
2017-12-01T09:05:30 < qyx> they should be connected to 4V4
2017-12-01T09:05:34 < qyx> 3V3
2017-12-01T09:05:43 < englishman> and the pirated altium
2017-12-01T09:06:11 < qyx> it may be the problem
2017-12-01T09:06:38 < qyx> try to connect wires from C40, C41 to 3V3
2017-12-01T09:06:49 < qyx> as suggested in the datasheet
2017-12-01T09:07:19 < qyx> some phys require VCC bias, others don't
2017-12-01T09:08:19 < qyx> although you have all tx/rx lines terminated to 3V3
2017-12-01T09:09:06 < englishman> lan8720a shows centertaps to 3v3 yea
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2017-12-01T09:12:21 < branjb> well shit
2017-12-01T09:14:28 < branjb> hey
2017-12-01T09:14:45 < branjb> c40 and c41 are directly next to some 3v3 vias
2017-12-01T09:16:59 < branjb> so fucking up the center taps is a likely culprit for no link?
2017-12-01T09:17:18 < qyx> I did it once
2017-12-01T09:17:50 < branjb> before no link, after link?
2017-12-01T09:17:56 < qyx> also you should have had checked it by now
2017-12-01T09:19:16 < branjb> i don't have any thin wire handy
2017-12-01T09:19:38 < branjb> it's crowded there
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2017-12-01T09:41:23 < stvn> sup cunts
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2017-12-01T09:46:01 < stvn> did somebody assassinate senpai?
2017-12-01T09:55:24 < stvn> dongs: any stm32 channel pumpage?
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2017-12-01T10:54:44 < jadew> my wife wants to buy me a tool for christmas - what do I ask for?
2017-12-01T10:54:57 < jadew> I'm thinking a butane soldering iron
2017-12-01T10:55:42 < stvn> WELL
2017-12-01T10:55:51 < stvn> what the fuck would you think, other than a PENIS PUMP
2017-12-01T10:55:59 < jadew> haha
2017-12-01T10:56:03 < stvn> lol
2017-12-01T10:56:16 < stvn> did o6 overdose on heroin or something?
2017-12-01T10:56:48 < jadew> don't know
2017-12-01T10:57:16 < stvn> maybe it was the goyim
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2017-12-01T12:15:44 < c10ud> low cost pcb supplier?
2017-12-01T12:15:54 < c10ud> 18x11 isn't fit for dirtypcbs
2017-12-01T12:16:06 < karlp> 18x11 apples?
2017-12-01T12:16:14 < c10ud> cm
2017-12-01T12:19:07 < karlp> https://pcbshopper.com/
2017-12-01T12:20:09 < karlp> (tl;dr, elecrow, allpcb)
2017-12-01T12:25:01 < qyx> seeedstudio too
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2017-12-01T12:25:31 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148
2017-12-01T12:25:46 < Laurenceb_> >you can't put fingers on a keyboard
2017-12-01T12:37:33 < karlp> hrm, why would I get an uninitialized warning here? https://zerobin.net/?3bdb3b5ed6900626#Cul/q6ReMj4XiOX7gbhgtx/e00Le1UWl+rOyIC7olIA=
2017-12-01T12:37:40 < karlp> surely the for loop init works.
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2017-12-01T12:38:08 < karlp> or is the , masking variables or somethign weird
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2017-12-01T12:39:35 < karlp> must be, putting "int i;" outside the for loop makes the warning go away
2017-12-01T12:41:04 < qyx> wat, but it works tihotut the sum_in, doesn't it?
2017-12-01T12:41:34 < karlp> well, if I put sum_in = 0; on the line above, instead of in the init clause of the for loop, yes, no warnings there
2017-12-01T12:42:36 < c10ud> karlp, qyx thx
2017-12-01T12:45:23 < Laurenceb_> karlp, gcc?
2017-12-01T12:48:30 < karlp> yup
2017-12-01T12:51:12 < Laurenceb_> well that explains it then /dongs
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2017-12-01T13:16:31 < MrMobius> my virtual machine shit pile seems to work
2017-12-01T13:16:32 < MrMobius> https://ibin.co/3jBLxAPPPb3C.png
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2017-12-01T13:35:32 < karlp> what on earth are we looking at?
2017-12-01T13:47:20 < jpa-> looks scary
2017-12-01T13:53:23 < Steffanx> Looks like a tool from < 2000 written using 2017 tech.
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2017-12-01T14:40:15 < Laurenceb> two scoops!!!
2017-12-01T14:45:28 < jpa-> scoop 1: freertos is now owned by amazon
2017-12-01T14:45:43 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-12-01T14:47:00 < Laurenceb> I think its a fork?
2017-12-01T14:47:07 < Laurenceb> https://aws.amazon.com/freertos/
2017-12-01T14:47:23 < karlp> it's not a fork at least, it's directly linked from freertos.org page too
2017-12-01T14:47:32 < Laurenceb> wew
2017-12-01T14:56:09 < qyx> wtf
2017-12-01T14:56:21 < qyx> does amazon use it to deliver parcels
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2017-12-01T15:05:33 < karlp> qyx: it's presumably for their awsiot offering.
2017-12-01T15:05:41 < karlp> at least, that's how I took it,
2017-12-01T15:05:57 < karlp> they've had teh iot thing for a while now, and they added all the device management to it, but that needs example client code
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2017-12-01T15:46:18 < dongs> hi dongs
2017-12-01T16:01:06 < Laurenceb> twooo scooppppssss
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2017-12-01T16:17:36 < Steffanx> kakimir: better upgrade to freertos 10 ;)
2017-12-01T16:18:40 < jpa-> has anyone successfully used stm32 spi as slave & has code to share?
2017-12-01T16:18:47 < jpa-> for some reason it is acting 100% stupid on me
2017-12-01T16:27:07 < Steffanx> Checked laurenceb's repo on github? :p
2017-12-01T16:27:14 < Steffanx> But no, not me, jpa-
2017-12-01T16:27:25 < Laurenceb> I've never used stm32 as slave
2017-12-01T16:27:27 < Laurenceb> sorry
2017-12-01T16:27:34  * karlp either, but when you do, I want to steel it
2017-12-01T16:30:18 < Laurenceb> today I got my DNA sequenced
2017-12-01T16:33:54 < jpa-> gah, looks like i'm having some ringing in SCK line somewhere
2017-12-01T16:34:35 < Laurenceb> but I asked for the results on negro percentage to be withheld, I would like to stay in the dark (pun intended)
2017-12-01T16:34:41 < jpa-> can't see with scope but lowering master io speed to 2MHz changes things
2017-12-01T16:35:24 < Laurenceb> le 56% face
2017-12-01T16:38:13 < branjb> Laurenceb what happens when they say "here are your results goyim, 25% are being witheld"
2017-12-01T16:40:18 < Laurenceb> branjb: apparently I have some inherited tendon disease
2017-12-01T16:40:23 < Laurenceb> thats why I had the test
2017-12-01T16:40:41 < branjb> but if they tell you 25% of your results are witheld
2017-12-01T16:40:45 < Laurenceb> clearly I need to be gassed to clean up the gene pool
2017-12-01T16:40:45 < branjb> doesn't that mean you are 25% black
2017-12-01T16:40:58 < Laurenceb> lul I didnt ask for the ethnicity test stuff
2017-12-01T16:44:36 < Laurenceb> I'm ok as long as I dont tear a tendon, but then it could go screwy as it heals
2017-12-01T16:44:50 < karlp> sok, you just stay in the basement
2017-12-01T16:44:58 < karlp> and avoid excessively kinky sex with the russian
2017-12-01T16:45:54 < BrainDamage> or it was a trick and they wanted your dna because they suspect you're a pedo
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2017-12-01T16:54:21 < Laurenceb> I'm in jail dude
2017-12-01T16:55:04  * Laurenceb is reading about "deep learning"
2017-12-01T16:55:07 < Getty> what could a chinese coder mean with "jin"?
2017-12-01T16:55:12 < Getty> (in context of LED)
2017-12-01T16:55:15 < Laurenceb> >look at the neural network stuff
2017-12-01T16:55:21 < Laurenceb> >isn't this just PCA
2017-12-01T16:55:34 < Laurenceb> >search on arxiv
2017-12-01T16:56:10 < Laurenceb> >cascaded PCA networks can outperform conventional "neural networks"
2017-12-01T16:56:30 < Laurenceb> epic "learning" fail
2017-12-01T16:58:42 < jpa-> ahha, it is SPI mode 0 that makes STM32 slave glitch stuff
2017-12-01T16:59:11 < jpa-> because CPHA=0 means that slave has to have first bit on the line before first clock edge, it does something stupid
2017-12-01T17:03:09 < jadew> CS has to be asserted the clock before tho
2017-12-01T17:03:15 < jadew> is it?
2017-12-01T17:04:37 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/spi_slave.png   it looked like this
2017-12-01T17:06:16 < jadew> ah, right, the clock wouldn't be working at that time
2017-12-01T17:07:01 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/spi_slave_mode1.png   for comparison, with mode 1 it seems to work correctly
2017-12-01T17:07:30 < jadew> oh, that's the same data?
2017-12-01T17:08:04 < jpa-> yeah; depending on samplerate and randomness i got more or less glitches with mode 0
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2017-12-01T17:09:53 < karlp> what's PCA lolrence?
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2017-12-01T17:11:18 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis
2017-12-01T17:11:49 < jpa-> it's PCA with less math and more neurons!
2017-12-01T17:12:11 < Laurenceb> ur a PCA
2017-12-01T17:12:14 < Laurenceb> literally
2017-12-01T17:13:20 < emeb> ugh. that stuff
2017-12-01T17:13:38 < emeb> spent wayyy too much time on orthongonal bases in a previous job
2017-12-01T17:14:11 < branjb> is that linear algebra stuff
2017-12-01T17:17:12 < Rob235> oi
2017-12-01T17:17:58 < Steffanx> Lo
2017-12-01T17:18:21 < Rob235> Laurenceb: I dropped my AI class before I got to deep learning and neural nets, I want to start back up again so I can read about em
2017-12-01T17:18:59 < Rob235> Steffanx: hows the underground stroop market going
2017-12-01T17:19:40 < Rob235> have you achieved kingpin status yet?
2017-12-01T17:21:27 < Rob235> sorry, first rule... I understand
2017-12-01T17:22:48 < Steffanx> I stopped shipping waffles after the crt incident
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2017-12-01T17:22:55 < Steffanx> No one wants them anymore
2017-12-01T17:23:17 < BrainDamage> start a marketing campaign
2017-12-01T17:23:30 < Rob235> did he get a  bad batch and lose control of his watery bowels?
2017-12-01T17:23:37 < emeb> are Steffanx stroopwafels better than the ones I can buy in stores here?
2017-12-01T17:24:37 < BrainDamage> stroopwaffels are just not a thing here, you can get at most mini stroops at flying tiger
2017-12-01T17:25:09 < Rob235> stroopwafels with cookie butter would be the shiz
2017-12-01T17:25:24 < englishman> emeb: yea
2017-12-01T17:25:31 < englishman> doesn't matter where you are
2017-12-01T17:25:34 < englishman> answer is yes
2017-12-01T17:25:36 < Steffanx> Nah he started to feel bad and had to get himself checked for diabetes, Rob235 :D
2017-12-01T17:25:45 < BrainDamage> jesus fucking christ i hate lunix bluetooth
2017-12-01T17:25:55 < Laurenceb> lul me too
2017-12-01T17:25:59 < englishman> lunix supports Bluetooth?
2017-12-01T17:26:00 < BrainDamage> my phone sees my device but not my lunix machine
2017-12-01T17:26:01 < Steffanx> Turned out to not be that Rob235 :)
2017-12-01T17:26:07 < Laurenceb> and then i used Qt and it worked
2017-12-01T17:26:31 < Rob235> well thats good hah, but the stroopwafel has suffered nevertheless
2017-12-01T17:27:36 < emeb> haven't had any trouble seeing / pairing BT devices in linux, but getting linux to properly handle high quality audio on my BT headphones is a major pain
2017-12-01T17:27:40 < Steffanx> Yes, they are approved by 4 different ##stm32ers emeb
2017-12-01T17:28:35 < kakimir> Steffanx: I downloaded the source and it was 9.0
2017-12-01T17:28:43 < kakimir> so please.. inform me how
2017-12-01T17:28:54 < kakimir> anyways englishman I got interview appointment
2017-12-01T17:29:10 < emeb> Steffanx: what brand do you source? (or are they custom made?)
2017-12-01T17:29:46 < Steffanx> Uhm
2017-12-01T17:30:29 < Steffanx> They are known as "kanjers" emeb
2017-12-01T17:30:33 < Steffanx> Not custom made
2017-12-01T17:30:42 < BrainDamage> https://ptpb.pw/xnMe
2017-12-01T17:31:37 < Steffanx> It has the bluez...
2017-12-01T17:31:43 < Laurenceb> >playstation
2017-12-01T17:31:49 < emeb> Steffanx: aha - haven't seen those before. Seems some US disties sell them - will look out for them.
2017-12-01T17:32:08 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: yes, i use a playstation controller at home to play emulators
2017-12-01T17:32:19 < BrainDamage> it's just in the memory of known devices
2017-12-01T17:35:23 < Rob235> I started playing zelda botw with cemu, works pretty well now
2017-12-01T17:35:29 < Rob235> cool game
2017-12-01T17:35:41 < BrainDamage> ok, only took restarting the bluetooth daemon 5 times
2017-12-01T17:36:57  * karlp is just fallouting
2017-12-01T17:37:30 < Rob235> never got into that.
2017-12-01T17:37:33 < englishman> kakimir: fuck yeah
2017-12-01T17:37:55 < karlp> it's skyrim with guns. how could you go wrong?
2017-12-01T17:38:21 < Rob235> I played oblivion obsessively but never got into skyrim either, thinking about trying it eventually though
2017-12-01T17:38:55 < Rob235> ever play super meat boy? that game is awesome
2017-12-01T17:39:43 < englishman> BrainDamage just plug that shit in, bluetooth lag is super annoying on any peripheral
2017-12-01T17:40:38 < Rob235> I tried playing dark souls 3 and was liking it but it crashes every like 15 minutes and I dont know why so I stopped playing after an hour
2017-12-01T17:42:32 < Rob235> anyyyyway. back to workin on the drawbot website
2017-12-01T17:43:07 < Rob235> gotta get some content on there today to see what it looks like
2017-12-01T17:43:20 < BrainDamage> englishman: I'm not referring to the joypad, I'm developing a bluetooth device
2017-12-01T17:43:26 < englishman> o k
2017-12-01T17:43:27 < BrainDamage> it's laurenceb reading random shit
2017-12-01T17:43:48 < BrainDamage> and lunix bluetooth daemon is acting like a piece of shit
2017-12-01T17:44:07 < englishman> nrf is fun
2017-12-01T17:44:08 < BrainDamage> in normal mode i cannot connect, if i turn verbose debug i can connect fine
2017-12-01T17:51:47 < Laurenceb> tbh I'd write a gui in Qt
2017-12-01T17:51:53 < Laurenceb> only about 20 minutes work
2017-12-01T17:52:07 < Laurenceb> inb4 G.U.I. to track IP address
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2017-12-01T18:18:56 < kakimir> what is static ip option for bridge?
2017-12-01T18:19:17 < kakimir> is it ip assigned for current eth0 mac?
2017-12-01T18:19:27 < kakimir> or something else
2017-12-01T18:19:38 < kakimir> I have assigned 192.168.1.5 for my raspi
2017-12-01T18:19:45 < karlp> for the bridge duh
2017-12-01T18:19:46 < kakimir> eth0 mac
2017-12-01T18:19:54 < karlp> you don't have an ip on the interfaces within a rbidge
2017-12-01T18:19:57 < karlp> the bridge does.
2017-12-01T18:20:10 < kakimir> but I run dhcp on my router?
2017-12-01T18:20:15 < kakimir> so I don't set static ip then?
2017-12-01T18:20:32 < karlp> I don't know, what are you trying to do?
2017-12-01T18:20:41 < kakimir> eth0 -> wlan0 bridge
2017-12-01T18:20:43 < kakimir> raspi3
2017-12-01T18:20:52 < karlp> some rotuers provide a bridge of eth0/wlan0 out of the box, and then provide dhcp server to that bridge.
2017-12-01T18:21:03 < karlp> so you get a static ip on the bridge, and a dhcp pool
2017-12-01T18:21:23 < kakimir> http://blog.ithasu.org/2016/10/using-a-raspberry-pi-3-as-a-wifi-access-point-and-bridge/
2017-12-01T18:21:26 < kakimir> doing this
2017-12-01T18:22:40 < kakimir> I use raspi3 as wireless router in bridge mode
2017-12-01T18:22:50 < kakimir> I don't want it to do anything with dhcp or natting
2017-12-01T18:23:21 < kakimir> also I want to access ssh with assigned ip in my router
2017-12-01T18:23:25 < kakimir> *raspi ssh
2017-12-01T18:23:34 < kakimir> *.5
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2017-12-01T18:26:15 < kakimir> I need to set it as dynamic?
2017-12-01T18:27:31 < kakimir> does bridge have it's own ip?
2017-12-01T18:27:53 < kakimir> but same mac as eth0?
2017-12-01T18:28:29 < kakimir> let's give it try with *.5 ip
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2017-12-01T18:31:37 < kakimir> I wonder if wpa_supplicant.conf interferes with this example
2017-12-01T18:31:56 < kakimir> there is wpa-conf option added for wlan interfaces
2017-12-01T18:33:39 < kakimir> I wonder what network parameter does
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2017-12-01T18:35:37 < jadew> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3794462/Liberal-Democrat-says-schools-able-suggest-PROSTITUTION-career-pupils.html
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2017-12-01T18:37:52 < jadew> 'We have had a chap suggest that one of the areas we need to be concerned about was families coercing people to go into the sex trade.
2017-12-01T18:37:52 < jadew> 'Well, again, you wouldn't protest at families urging and coercing people into becoming accountants.
2017-12-01T18:39:20 < kakimir> well I commented network option and added gateway option
2017-12-01T18:39:33 < kakimir> and commented wpa supplicant part
2017-12-01T18:39:39 < kakimir> in wlan confs
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2017-12-01T18:44:44 < kakimir> it werks
2017-12-01T18:44:48 < kakimir> no sweat
2017-12-01T18:44:54 < kakimir> I'm connected to it right now
2017-12-01T18:45:16 < kakimir> I only get data rates of 30-40mbps half duplex
2017-12-01T18:45:30 < kakimir> ping is almost 10ms higher than it was
2017-12-01T18:45:42 < kakimir> but it werks well
2017-12-01T18:46:07 < kakimir> cheapest wifi router available I bought it for 19,90eur
2017-12-01T18:46:12 < kakimir> *.
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2017-12-01T18:50:57 < kakimir> anything but waiting pro wireless card comming from china would have been more expensives
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2017-12-01T19:45:43 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_CdlAOwj8Y
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2017-12-01T19:56:54 < englishman> Thorn:
2017-12-01T19:56:56 < englishman> beep
2017-12-01T19:57:07 < englishman> do you have any footage of this week's highly successful russian launch
2017-12-01T20:09:52 < Laurenceb> >russians
2017-12-01T20:10:13 < Laurenceb> launch of fake news election hacking machine amirite
2017-12-01T20:16:09 < Laurenceb> >be me
2017-12-01T20:16:16 < Laurenceb> >look at CIFAR-10 benchmark
2017-12-01T20:16:19 < Laurenceb> >load images
2017-12-01T20:16:20 < Thorn> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB8yZvVLaD0
2017-12-01T20:16:24 < Laurenceb> >look at them
2017-12-01T20:16:32 < Laurenceb> >wtf I can't recognise shit
2017-12-01T20:16:41 < Laurenceb> >manual test gives <5% success
2017-12-01T20:16:59 < Laurenceb> looks like I already got pwnd by AI
2017-12-01T20:18:10  * Laurenceb has a workstation with 64GB ram and Titan X
2017-12-01T20:18:20 < Laurenceb> but now I'm writing codez in methlab...
2017-12-01T20:18:28 < englishman> cool Thorn is that really the one?
2017-12-01T20:18:43 < englishman> looks like it yea
2017-12-01T20:20:13 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwvO52JM-xE  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_GXnSXgQA
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2017-12-01T20:26:02 < englishman> need a $15 digikey cart stuffer
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2017-12-01T20:41:34 < englishman> hmm sn100e solder wire
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2017-12-01T21:01:26 < Steffanx> Hows ARROWman?
2017-12-01T21:05:20 < englishman> placed $28 order today
2017-12-01T21:05:27 < englishman> i think the last order had 6 packages
2017-12-01T21:05:33 < englishman> 2 arrived today, was only expecting one
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2017-12-01T21:19:14 < Laurenceb> it runs
2017-12-01T21:19:18 < Laurenceb> 1k images/s
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2017-12-01T21:20:16 < Steffanx> it.
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2017-12-01T21:42:26 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BcIfRfWHTcC0H8FdRJnNNcG0oyXoxWxddId1FQ0/
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2017-12-01T22:05:53 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/Yf4yqtu
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2017-12-01T22:05:59 < Laurenceb> this is too easy
2017-12-01T22:09:29 < Laurenceb>  "deep learning" is trivially simple
2017-12-01T22:10:22 < zyp> but adding spaces is too hard
2017-12-01T22:10:33 < Laurenceb> xactly
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2017-12-01T22:34:20 < englishman> Thorn: broken link ;'(
2017-12-01T22:34:24 < englishman> no kittens 4 me
2017-12-01T22:35:36 < Thorn> hm works4me
2017-12-01T22:35:55 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BcIfRfWHTcC0H8FdRJnNNcG0oyXoxWxddId1FQ0/?taken-by=katyabobcat
2017-12-01T22:36:17 < englishman> private?
2017-12-01T22:40:35 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/eCZFs22.jpg
2017-12-01T22:41:09 < Ultrasauce> jeez thorn, rehosting private pussy pics is kind of a dick move
2017-12-01T22:42:50 < englishman> dawww
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2017-12-02T00:54:17 < capacitor> welcome englishman
2017-12-02T00:58:45 < qyx> such masssive engines on that meteor-m
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2017-12-02T00:59:25 < capacitor> Steffanx: good mroring.
2017-12-02T01:01:46 < Steffanx> Hello welcome
2017-12-02T01:01:53 < capacitor> o/
2017-12-02T01:02:20 < capacitor> did you hear the good news
2017-12-02T01:03:04 < Steffanx> Uh?
2017-12-02T01:06:14 < Steffanx> Better finish ya story mate, capacitor
2017-12-02T01:07:13 < capacitor> i escaped
2017-12-02T01:07:24 < Steffanx> Uh?
2017-12-02T01:07:58 < capacitor> :D
2017-12-02T01:12:12 < Ultrasauce> from reality
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2017-12-02T01:30:03 < Rob235> hmm
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2017-12-02T01:47:41 < Laurenceb_> deep learning bro
2017-12-02T01:47:47 < Laurenceb_> its the future
2017-12-02T01:48:53 < Ultrasauce> what are you innovating in methlab
2017-12-02T01:49:08 < Ultrasauce> also whats performance like on there? does it use the gpu
2017-12-02T01:49:22 < capacitor> lol
2017-12-02T01:49:57 < Laurenceb_> no gpu
2017-12-02T01:50:27 < Laurenceb_> Ultrasauce: I'm a gunna try CIFAR-10 benchmark with PCA based "network" and unsupervised learning
2017-12-02T01:50:50 < Laurenceb_> its looking v good so far, I have ConvNet style features from unsupervised
2017-12-02T01:51:24 < Laurenceb_> in methlab on Xeon It takes about 1minute/layer with a 5e4 image training set
2017-12-02T01:52:44 < Ultrasauce> that is better than i would have expected
2017-12-02T01:52:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah its actually more efficient
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2017-12-02T01:53:25 < Laurenceb_> as it finds optimal layers using raw matrix bashing, which does use a few GB of ram
2017-12-02T01:53:52 < Laurenceb_> conventional training would use a bazillion iterations and possibly be unstable
2017-12-02T01:54:45 < Laurenceb_> maybe by next week I will have implemented the whole ConvNET architecture like this...
2017-12-02T01:56:35 < Laurenceb_> then I can write a paper and become famous :D
2017-12-02T01:59:12 < Laurenceb_>  "just" need to clone MaxPooland ReLU
2017-12-02T01:59:16 < Laurenceb_> *and
2017-12-02T01:59:34 < capacitor> dr.b pens a cure for autism
2017-12-02T01:59:40 < Ultrasauce> how is this method any less likely to fall into local minima
2017-12-02T02:00:30 < Ultrasauce> idk anything about pca so talking out my ass
2017-12-02T02:01:19 < Laurenceb_> Ultrasauce: its finding global minima, and its faster
2017-12-02T02:01:27 < Laurenceb_> just uses a shitton of memory
2017-12-02T02:02:05 < Laurenceb_> the "trick" was dividing up the PCA operations and then averaging the results
2017-12-02T02:02:23 < Laurenceb_> with a large enough dataset and enough variability in the raw data that seems to be stable
2017-12-02T02:02:58 < Laurenceb_> in theory the layers could differ wildly and the average would be random noise,but thats not happening
2017-12-02T02:04:28 < Laurenceb_> needs tens of GB of ram to be stable
2017-12-02T02:04:33 < Laurenceb_> luckily I have 64GB
2017-12-02T02:06:03 < capacitor> dedotaded wam
2017-12-02T02:06:43 < Laurenceb_> each layer of a network is basically a matrix
2017-12-02T02:07:14 < Laurenceb_> so with a big enough matrix to load all the training data you can solve directly for the optimal values layer by layer
2017-12-02T02:07:27 < capacitor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsO-Td0hqXo
2017-12-02T02:08:08 < Laurenceb_>  "only" issue is the absurd memory use
2017-12-02T02:09:53 < Ultrasauce> and it generalizes?
2017-12-02T02:10:41 < Laurenceb_> I hope so...
2017-12-02T02:11:20 < Ultrasauce> I'm pretty sure that's a vital point of validating the technique heh
2017-12-02T02:11:23 < Laurenceb_> it needs turning into something that actually produces results,but the single layer test produces templates that look like ConvNET
2017-12-02T02:11:33 < Laurenceb_> so its looking hopeful
2017-12-02T02:11:40 < Ultrasauce> ah ok it currently being a single layer is what i was missing
2017-12-02T02:12:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah, you stack the layers to reduce "filter templates" to "concepts"
2017-12-02T02:12:34 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to lift MaxPool and ReLU from Convnet to stick between my layers
2017-12-02T02:13:16 < Laurenceb_> so its a clone of existing stuff but without iterating supervised training
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2017-12-02T02:52:37 < jadew> lmfao, I ordered a butane soldering iron and the seller emailed me to ask if it works in my country, because it needs 110V outlets
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2017-12-02T03:06:08 < Laurenceb_> wew https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/935105915358818304
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2017-12-02T04:31:13 < Laurenceb_> damn bitcoin is back
2017-12-02T04:31:17 < Laurenceb_> its unstoppable
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2017-12-02T04:32:59 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-12-02T04:33:10 < Laurenceb_> my trading platform now supports bitcoin
2017-12-02T04:33:16 < Laurenceb_> tiem to buy
2017-12-02T04:34:10 < BrainDamage> are you planning to short or invest?
2017-12-02T04:36:43 < BrainDamage> how to double value in a month? https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g25
2017-12-02T04:36:56 < Laurenceb_> invest
2017-12-02T04:37:02 < Laurenceb_> who needs Gemini
2017-12-02T04:42:01 < upgrdman> god damn. i just hit 7000 subs on youtube. i better stop being lazy and upload another arduino or pi video.
2017-12-02T04:42:26 < Laurenceb_> u joined the alt-right?
2017-12-02T04:42:38 < BrainDamage> arduino bitcoin miner
2017-12-02T04:42:44 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking of becoming a rapper on youtube
2017-12-02T04:42:57 < Laurenceb_> but irl I'd prob be b& in no time
2017-12-02T04:43:02 < BrainDamage> by subs, do you mean the bdsm term, or the youtube term?
2017-12-02T04:43:13 < Laurenceb_> for memetic raps about an hero and doing a flip and shit
2017-12-02T04:43:22 < Laurenceb_> the CWC rap
2017-12-02T04:43:47 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, youtube. 7001 people are currently following my on youtube
2017-12-02T04:44:09 < BrainDamage> congrats, how much money do you get out of it?
2017-12-02T04:44:17 < upgrdman> and it all started when i uploaded a VERY half-assed arduino video
2017-12-02T04:44:23 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-12-02T04:44:33 < upgrdman> which is STILL making me ~$5/month on that one video alone
2017-12-02T04:44:34 < Laurenceb_> perfect material for youtube bux
2017-12-02T04:45:00 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, http://farrellf.com/youtube.png
2017-12-02T04:45:01 < Laurenceb_> you can never overestimate their stupidity
2017-12-02T04:45:46 < BrainDamage> so 3$/day average
2017-12-02T04:46:09 < upgrdman> youtube was one of those things were it felt like a scam, and then they actually started paying me i was was like "lol, really? ok, i guess i could keep doing this"
2017-12-02T04:46:39 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, ya, and i put in very little work. i make <1 video per month
2017-12-02T04:46:45 < BrainDamage> isn't youtube like one of the largest 'employers' in the us?
2017-12-02T04:46:51 < upgrdman> dunno
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2017-12-02T04:48:29 < BrainDamage> did you actually advertise your stuff or did you just get lucky in search hits?
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2017-12-02T04:48:47 < upgrdman> no ads. i just SEO all my video titles and descriptions
2017-12-02T04:49:20 < Ultrasauce> and got hackaday'd a couple times
2017-12-02T04:49:40 < upgrdman> did i?
2017-12-02T04:49:54 < upgrdman> i never saw my junk on HaD
2017-12-02T04:50:06 < upgrdman> hmm, i should shill me vids on there
2017-12-02T04:51:21 < upgrdman> i should finish up the tcp/udp support for TelemetryViewer. then i can make a video with arduino AND esp8266 in the title
2017-12-02T04:51:53 < Ultrasauce> there was some article aggregating some etching videos i think? dont remember
2017-12-02T04:52:03 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-12-02T04:52:20 < Laurenceb_> Sargon makes more in a month than UK PM in a year
2017-12-02T04:52:20 < BrainDamage> did the arduino scenario improve a bit, or is it still about arduino having 20 lines of code and 90% of the workload done on the 'shields'
2017-12-02T04:52:22 < Laurenceb_> its crazy
2017-12-02T04:52:38 < Laurenceb_> all for "lul SJWs u mad bro"
2017-12-02T04:52:51 < upgrdman> o lol, im on here  https://hackaday.io/project/21593/logs
2017-12-02T04:53:14 < Laurenceb_> hi John
2017-12-02T04:53:34 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, dunno. i just keep using some old ass Uno clone i bought years ago, and write as little code for it as possible while trying to make helpful vids
2017-12-02T04:53:51 < Laurenceb_> oh shit here goes
2017-12-02T04:53:57 < Laurenceb_> tiem to buy the bitcoinz
2017-12-02T04:54:47 < Laurenceb_> wew it failed
2017-12-02T04:54:50 < Laurenceb_> so much for that
2017-12-02T04:55:23 < Laurenceb_>  "UK citizens are exempt from this service"
2017-12-02T04:55:38 < Laurenceb_> cucked
2017-12-02T04:55:46 < BrainDamage> you're probably under strict monitoring for being a potential pedo anyway
2017-12-02T04:56:03 < Laurenceb_> speak for urself
2017-12-02T04:56:20 < Laurenceb_> looks like I have to give Winklevoss my money
2017-12-02T04:56:24 < Laurenceb_> or whatever they are called
2017-12-02T04:57:09 < BrainDamage> I've always been curious how I'd do on a youtube video, but my shit personality combined to my condescendence probably would make for horrible results
2017-12-02T04:57:25 < BrainDamage> and my ego wouldn't be able to take the rejection
2017-12-02T04:57:31 < Laurenceb_> I just hate video editing
2017-12-02T04:57:47 < Laurenceb_> its like photo editing headache ^2
2017-12-02T04:58:12 < BrainDamage> from what i see except the large channels not a lot of people edit their videos
2017-12-02T04:58:17 < BrainDamage> just re-do until it's ok
2017-12-02T04:58:37 < BrainDamage> tollerable for clips of ~10 min size
2017-12-02T04:59:09 < BrainDamage> say 3-5 mean attempts, then it's just a 1h work
2017-12-02T04:59:17 < Laurenceb_> >you must first complete and return a US government ‘W-8BEN’ form.
2017-12-02T04:59:33 < Laurenceb_> wew inb4 I have to pay us taxes
2017-12-02T04:59:53 < Laurenceb_> cuckedcoin
2017-12-02T05:00:23 < BrainDamage> i find it pretty funny that buttcoin shat on all the values it was funded on
2017-12-02T05:02:29 < Ultrasauce> almost as good as ethereum literally hardforking to give its largest investor their money back
2017-12-02T05:02:59 < BrainDamage> wait, really, link
2017-12-02T05:03:23 < BrainDamage> i want some material to troll the banker next week
2017-12-02T05:06:52 < Ultrasauce> https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/networks/hacked-blockchain-fund-the-dao-chooses-a-hard-fork-to-redistribute-funds
2017-12-02T05:07:53 < Laurenceb_> he's ur central bankr now
2017-12-02T05:09:27 < BrainDamage> holy shit, that's fantastic
2017-12-02T05:09:38 < Ultrasauce> the two forks are still operating in parallel too
2017-12-02T05:09:47 < BrainDamage> i want to see if i can get him to bite his liver
2017-12-02T05:14:16 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: he's not 'my' banker, just a bank director I've met in a pub which was like 'BLOCKCHAINS BLOCKCHAINS BLOCKCHAINS'
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2017-12-02T05:59:19 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/IgUfmnL.gifv
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2017-12-02T12:23:08 < invzim> I got 22 GPIO's splattered randomly across pins and ports that needs to be set based on a 'word bitfield', a more sexy way of doing it that iterating bits in the word and doing array lookup to get the correct ports&pins?
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2017-12-02T13:45:21 < kakimir> 'kay I get 20Mbps half duplex
2017-12-02T13:45:52 < kakimir> but then during speed test connection goes to zero
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2017-12-02T13:56:17 < Steffanx> Im still wondering WTF kakimir is actually doing.
2017-12-02T14:02:06 < ReadErr> not doing too much very quickly anyways
2017-12-02T14:03:51 < Steffanx> Black pete is back in tha country ReadErr. Better come visit and wear one of thos costumes.
2017-12-02T14:04:34 < ReadErr> better keep an eye on  your TV then
2017-12-02T14:05:09 < Steffanx> You're one of those stealing ones?
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2017-12-02T14:08:01 < Steffanx> ReadErr, wanna see a nice video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoxKoaDfA3U <= that's in aruba. Where the black people made themselves even more black :D
2017-12-02T14:09:01 < ReadErr> lol redic
2017-12-02T14:09:15 < ReadErr> blackface to the max
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2017-12-02T14:22:56 < zyp> invzim, depends
2017-12-02T14:23:32 < zyp> is the bitfield layout set or flexible?
2017-12-02T14:25:44 < zyp> whatever you do, you're gonna be doing masking and shifting
2017-12-02T14:26:04 < zyp> best case, you need one mask and shift operation per port, worst case, you need one mask and shift operation per pin
2017-12-02T14:27:05 < jpa-> keeping the BSRR value for each port in a variable and only writing to hardware once should speed it up a bit
2017-12-02T14:27:34 < zyp> yes, that much is obvious
2017-12-02T14:27:46 < zyp> I was thinking more about saving cpu cycles
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2017-12-02T14:46:12 < invzim> it's no need to optimize for speed
2017-12-02T14:46:20 < invzim> it will updated @60hz
2017-12-02T14:46:27 < invzim> and the thing is running at 84mhz
2017-12-02T14:46:51 < invzim> lookuptable pr bit works fine it seems
2017-12-02T14:47:27 < invzim> so test bit index n, lookup port[n] and pin[n]
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2017-12-02T17:58:06 < Laurenceb_> holy shit what
2017-12-02T17:58:17 < Laurenceb_> Musk is launching a car at mars
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2017-12-02T17:59:00 < Laurenceb_> the absolute madman
2017-12-02T17:59:54 < BrainDamage> if you had the billions, wouldn't you spend them on random shit too?
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2017-12-02T18:37:06 < PaulFertser> englishman: according to some "rumors" the launch was unsuccessful due to a bad programming (that was good for baikonoor but not suitable for vostochniy).
2017-12-02T18:37:21 < englishman> yeah thats what i read
2017-12-02T18:38:07 < englishman> Сергей forgot to #if 0
2017-12-02T18:39:40 < englishman> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/meteor-m2-1.html#culprit
2017-12-02T18:47:45 < PaulFertser> "the computer decided that the spacecraft had been 360 degrees off target and dutifully commanded its thrusters to fire to turn it around to the required zero-degree position."
2017-12-02T19:04:30 < Laurenceb_> derp
2017-12-02T19:08:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC1R-ljpMnM
2017-12-02T19:21:44 < englishman> https://youtu.be/kwB_NlLXNE4?t=55s
2017-12-02T19:28:37 < branjb> britian has really gone a long way since they were a world super power
2017-12-02T19:31:48 < englishman> lesson learned: never colonize
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2017-12-02T19:47:33 < branjb> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1550
2017-12-02T19:51:01 < kakimir> aika rankkaa+
2017-12-02T19:51:06 < kakimir> waas putty
2017-12-02T19:51:12 < kakimir> puttypaste
2017-12-02T19:51:18 < kakimir> how to connect to my ubiquiti when it's in bridge mode?
2017-12-02T19:52:19 < kakimir> lemme see if it works from dis direction
2017-12-02T19:54:48 < kakimir> I have 2 devices with same ip waas
2017-12-02T19:56:32 < kakimir> vape
2017-12-02T19:56:33 < englishman> $175 wtf
2017-12-02T19:56:46 < branjb> but it's pink
2017-12-02T19:56:52 < branjb> it uses a parallax propeller too lol
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2017-12-02T19:57:15 < englishman> lol propellor
2017-12-02T19:57:15 < englishman> yea
2017-12-02T19:57:18 < englishman> just saw
2017-12-02T19:57:34 < englishman> and ftdi
2017-12-02T19:57:39 < Laurenceb_> omg propellor is still a thing
2017-12-02T19:57:42 < kakimir> wast that some opensource processor?
2017-12-02T19:57:50 < Laurenceb_> as is XMOS
2017-12-02T19:58:02 < branjb> yeah
2017-12-02T19:58:23 < branjb> dunno if the vlsi is open but all their HDL code for their core is available
2017-12-02T19:58:31 < englishman> This is a high end JTAG reverse-engineering tool! Be careful when using and select the correct voltages to avoid damaging it.
2017-12-02T19:58:33 < englishman> >high end
2017-12-02T19:58:36 < englishman> >must avoid damage
2017-12-02T19:58:40 < branjb> lol
2017-12-02T19:58:54 < Laurenceb_> > Be careful when using
2017-12-02T19:59:12 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking of though crimes
2017-12-02T19:59:24 < Laurenceb_> illegal haxoring of Intel ME codez
2017-12-02T19:59:39 < dfgg> they are going for you
2017-12-02T20:00:01 < Laurenceb_> disasm of the AMD Russian election hacking extension engine
2017-12-02T20:02:14 < kakimir> okay I need to use discovery tool
2017-12-02T20:02:20 < kakimir> ip is not visible to router
2017-12-02T20:02:59 < branjb> any reason a phy activity LED would be flashing when nothing is plugged into the port
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2017-12-02T20:18:29 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/AmusingPaleDutchsmoushond
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2017-12-02T20:24:34 < kakimir> what is ip auto aliasing in my ubiquiti?
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2017-12-02T21:14:22 < Fleck> kakimir: if you forget/lost IP, you can get autoaliased IP from MAC
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2017-12-02T21:59:11 < kakimir> what ip exactly?
2017-12-02T21:59:16 < kakimir> bridge ip?
2017-12-02T21:59:37 < kakimir> but doesn't bridge get it's ip from router dhcp?
2017-12-02T21:59:50 < kakimir> so you can just pick it from list
2017-12-02T22:00:19 < kakimir> I set my bridge ip as static
2017-12-02T22:00:24 < kakimir> is it okay?
2017-12-02T22:04:37 < Fleck> devices IP
2017-12-02T22:05:04 < Fleck> so that you can have access and manage it
2017-12-02T22:06:58 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-02T22:07:16 < kakimir> but I wonder how
2017-12-02T22:07:36 < kakimir> if it's in dhcp mode - router sets ip
2017-12-02T22:07:50 < kakimir> if it's static - it's static
2017-12-02T22:08:15 < Fleck> yeah I think its gonna be like 2nd IP or smthn
2017-12-02T22:08:21 < kakimir> so.. yeah
2017-12-02T22:08:30 < kakimir> second ip that it listens just in case
2017-12-02T22:15:03 < kakimir> I wonder if ip is in local address space
2017-12-02T22:24:08 < Thorn> what 1970s logic used 1.8...2.2V supply voltage?
2017-12-02T22:31:55 < BrainDamage> low voltage ecl
2017-12-02T22:37:25 < Laurenceb_> ur mum
2017-12-02T22:37:35 < Laurenceb_> L O W    E N E R G Y
2017-12-02T22:40:49 < upgrdman> what's ecl? mosfets with emitters at gnd?
2017-12-02T22:41:17 < sync> > mosfet
2017-12-02T22:41:32 < upgrdman> oops, bjt, ya
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2017-12-02T22:48:19 < BrainDamage> no, it's basically using differential amplifiers ( read: opamps ) as logic
2017-12-02T22:49:10 < BrainDamage> compared to reg logic it drains a fuckload of power because the transistors never shut down, they are in liner regions
2017-12-02T22:56:24 < karlp> what was the advantage?
2017-12-02T22:57:28 < karlp> nvm,I can read wiki enough
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2017-12-03T01:09:44 < kakimir> Steffanx: can I borrow your newlib startup codez?
2017-12-03T01:10:49 < kakimir> at least code red requires cr_startup*.c and some crp.c files
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2017-12-03T03:36:08 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/6JH1MYhVa4M plop
2017-12-03T03:49:04 < jadew> "Receipt for your PayPal payment to SING FAT INTERNATIONAL"
2017-12-03T03:55:49 < Rob235> damn os x update killed all my autostarts
2017-12-03T03:56:10 < ohsix> lul eevblub is still making really bad inferences about stuff; in last mail bag the letter he had in front of the camera for like 2 minutes said that the things were a bur (a machining bit) and not a pogo pin and somehow he didn't see any of the words on it
2017-12-03T03:57:12 < ohsix> and he missed a neat high voltage programming thing through screws on a totp token thing from a new zealand bank
2017-12-03T03:59:22 < Rob235> I got fat
2017-12-03T03:59:30 < Rob235> how did that happen
2017-12-03T03:59:53 < jadew> you ate more than you needed
2017-12-03T04:00:15 < ohsix> you ate too irregularly
2017-12-03T04:00:23 < Rob235> Nah, I turned 33, thats what happened
2017-12-03T04:00:38 < jadew> you're older than me? wth
2017-12-03T04:00:43 < jadew> I thought you're in school or something
2017-12-03T04:00:46 < ohsix> correlation, causation
2017-12-03T04:00:54 < Rob235> I just havent graduated yet
2017-12-03T04:00:58 < Rob235> big difference
2017-12-03T04:01:24 < Rob235> I took a decade off to be a junkie
2017-12-03T04:01:31 < jadew> good plan
2017-12-03T04:01:34 < Rob235> yup
2017-12-03T04:02:33 < jadew> man.. I'm debugging this FPGA core with Xilinx ISim and that shit is complete garbage
2017-12-03T04:02:43 < jadew> it's like Xilinx wants their customers to run to their competitors
2017-12-03T04:03:02 < Rob235> I'm glad I didn't spend more time on FPGA than I did.
2017-12-03T04:03:34 < Rob235> although I gotta find a nice use for this de0 nano soc
2017-12-03T04:03:37 < jadew> I have this line cmd = !something ? SOME_CMD : OTHER_CMD; and the result is almost fucking random
2017-12-03T04:04:06 < jadew> !0 = false, !1 = true, !2 = false
2017-12-03T04:04:09 < jadew> WTF?
2017-12-03T04:04:46 < jadew> then there's chunks of code it doesn't execute but doesn't fail either, it just ends up with an arbitrary 0 in various places
2017-12-03T04:05:13 < Rob235> ive never been in a wtf situation and havent figured it out to be user error... even if it doesnt make sense its usually fixable
2017-12-03T04:05:25 < jadew> this is not a user error
2017-12-03T04:05:30 < jadew> it's ISim being shit
2017-12-03T04:06:23 < jadew> it's so shit, it has a repaint button, because the programmers were that bad they didn't know how to invalidate the windows properly
2017-12-03T04:07:43 < jadew> "Redraw All Windows" - it takes a lot of incompetence for that button to make it in
2017-12-03T04:08:08 < jadew> programmers and managers
2017-12-03T04:08:16 < Rob235> ok I cant argue that
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2017-12-03T04:19:41 < upgrdman> <Rob235> https://youtu.be/6JH1MYhVa4M plop
2017-12-03T04:19:51 < upgrdman> way too many animations, and they're all too long.
2017-12-03T04:20:19 < ohsix> maybe you're just old, old guy
2017-12-03T04:21:02 < Rob235> I'm just having fun with it, I dont mind waiting a second or two.  its just for me.
2017-12-03T04:21:50 < ohsix> Rob235: i lost a bit of weight this year eating the same crap every day \m/ and only because started eating at 2:30-3:30pm consistently
2017-12-03T04:22:26 < Rob235> I'm still skinny.  I've just never gained weight before. its strange
2017-12-03T04:23:21 < Rob235> i'm 6'5 and probably 170-180 now, I never got over 160 before
2017-12-03T04:23:21 < jadew> I've lost weight by not eating sugar and going to the gym for half a year
2017-12-03T04:23:36 < jadew> gained it right back by not doing that anymore
2017-12-03T04:23:56 < jadew> I'm gonna try not eating sugar now
2017-12-03T04:24:01 < jadew> it's easier than going to the gym
2017-12-03T04:24:32 < Rob235> fuck the gym, takes too much time and effort out of your life to see any changes :) I want to start eating a bit healthier and just doing some pushups and situps
2017-12-03T04:25:00 < Rob235> get the heart pumping a little each day
2017-12-03T04:25:05 < ohsix> the reason i started gaining weight back in the day is TMI, but having obscene amounts of fun with a significant other can make you really comfortable, and you get fat when that slows down ;]
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2017-12-03T04:48:04 < jadew> anyone used one of these? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/For-3M-6200-6001-7pcs-Set-Suit-Respirator-Painting-Spraying-Face-Gas-Mask-5N11/262444401810
2017-12-03T04:48:23 < branjb> if i can see mlt3 packets on the phy side of the magnetics when the MCU is at a breakpoint, but when the MCU is free running no packets on phy side, what might be causing that?
2017-12-03T04:53:38 < Rob235> hmm, I wish I was better at design shit.  I guess this isn't terrible but I can't think of anything better: https://imgur.com/a/hJ4uZ
2017-12-03T04:54:42 < Rob235> trying to keep it simple
2017-12-03T04:56:21 < Rob235> at least its better than v1 https://rjfeddeler.github.io/DrawBotPanel/ hah
2017-12-03T04:56:33 < upgrdman> jadew, dont buy PPE from random sellers online.
2017-12-03T04:57:00 < jadew> upgrdman, think it's fake?
2017-12-03T04:57:07 < upgrdman> but to answer your q, i have a genuine 3m mask, and it works great. i have the pink cartridges for orgasmic vapors and ass gases.
2017-12-03T04:57:25 < jadew> what size do you have?
2017-12-03T04:57:30 < upgrdman> jadew, its not worth the risk. PPE is important, dont risk it
2017-12-03T04:57:33 < jadew> on TME they have it in M and L sizes
2017-12-03T04:57:37 < upgrdman> i dunno. normal. medium?
2017-12-03T04:57:47 < jadew> thanks
2017-12-03T04:57:53 < jadew> I'll get the M size then
2017-12-03T05:03:32 < branjb> you wouldn't go space walk in a chinese made space suit would you?
2017-12-03T05:03:48 < branjb> from banggood.com?
2017-12-03T05:06:27 < aandrew> wtf, cortex m4 does not support arm32?
2017-12-03T05:13:26 < Laurenceb_> of course not
2017-12-03T05:13:30 < Laurenceb_> n00b alert
2017-12-03T05:13:30 < ds2> no cortex-m support arm32
2017-12-03T05:13:40 < Laurenceb_> ^
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2017-12-03T05:20:31 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/PoliceServiceNI/status/937018759147147264
2017-12-03T05:20:41 < Laurenceb_> M Y  S I D E S
2017-12-03T05:20:52 < jadew> ok... so I just ordered a T962A and then asked to cancel the order
2017-12-03T05:20:58 < Cracki> >bump into
2017-12-03T05:21:10 < jadew> aparently there are reports that they're using asbestos to insulate it
2017-12-03T05:21:14 < Cracki> rule 34 on bobbies getting bumped
2017-12-03T05:25:38 < aandrew> hm, I never thought about it much
2017-12-03T05:25:46 < aandrew> my issue was the VFP stuff though
2017-12-03T05:26:36 < Laurenceb_> jadew: wut really?
2017-12-03T05:26:50 < Laurenceb_> asbestos isnt easy to get hold of surely?
2017-12-03T05:26:55 < Laurenceb_> maybe in China...
2017-12-03T05:27:07 < jadew> yeah, I'm sure you can find it in China
2017-12-03T05:27:30 < jadew> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/best-853a-is-this-asbestos-inside/msg57405/#msg57405
2017-12-03T05:27:31 < aandrew> canada used to export it until very recently
2017-12-03T05:27:42 < Laurenceb_> weird
2017-12-03T05:27:42 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5BhSMlLqg
2017-12-03T05:27:46 < jadew> check the first message thread
2017-12-03T05:27:55 < Laurenceb_> I would have thought mineral wool would be cheaper anyway
2017-12-03T05:28:22 < jadew> well, I'm not gonna risk it
2017-12-03T05:28:40 < jadew> I'll have to build one now
2017-12-03T05:30:52 < Laurenceb_> white asbestos is really not much worse than mineral wool
2017-12-03T05:30:58 < Laurenceb_> well I hope so...
2017-12-03T05:31:09 < Laurenceb_> my bedroom is insulated with it
2017-12-03T05:32:30 < jadew> well, as long as it's on the inside, it doesn't matter
2017-12-03T05:32:37 < jadew> the problem is when you work with it
2017-12-03T05:32:56 < jadew> for this oven, the insulation is basically exposed
2017-12-03T05:33:05 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-12-03T05:33:34 < Laurenceb_> asbestos is _everywhere_ in UK
2017-12-03T05:36:32 < Laurenceb_> our school was made of asbestos cement
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2017-12-03T05:49:24 < jadew> Laurenceb_, yeah I think asbestos cement is not dangerous either
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2017-12-03T06:33:16 < upgrdman> whats mineral wool? is that diff from fiberglass insulation?
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2017-12-03T06:50:46 < MrMobius> the hair on the gas mask manequin is really pro
2017-12-03T07:04:08 < englishman> upgrdman: mineral wool is just that, rock, molten and spun as fibres
2017-12-03T07:04:17 < englishman> *fibers
2017-12-03T07:04:57 < englishman> fiberglass being mostly silica
2017-12-03T07:05:10 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-03T07:05:23 < upgrdman> dont think ive ever seen mineral wool then
2017-12-03T07:06:38 < englishman> yeah dont think ive seen it either, dono what the benefits are over fiberglass
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2017-12-03T07:12:34 < jadew> probably higher melting point
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2017-12-03T08:59:52 < capacitor> shill4shekel
2017-12-03T09:09:40 < capacitor> put your hands up if you like free software?
2017-12-03T09:37:00 < MrMobius> .     /o\
2017-12-03T09:39:14 < capacitor> ty
2017-12-03T09:40:27 < MrMobius> those are hands down
2017-12-03T09:40:33 < MrMobius> not \o/
2017-12-03T09:42:02 < capacitor> either way is acceptable
2017-12-03T09:42:13 < capacitor> i'm just here to count the votes
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2017-12-03T12:00:02 < ohsix> looks like i'm going to be getting back into irc in a Big Way
2017-12-03T12:00:12 < ohsix> twitter and real life is too interesting
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2017-12-03T12:37:29 < Steffanx> Please dont. Just dont ohsix
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2017-12-03T12:59:48 < kakimir> Steffanx: can you quickly guide me thru newlib migration for a project?
2017-12-03T13:01:13 < kakimir> I need vectors and weak isr functions?
2017-12-03T13:01:18 < kakimir> what else?
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2017-12-03T13:18:33 < qyx> wat is newlib migration
2017-12-03T13:20:56 < c4017> thank you alcimond
2017-12-03T13:22:07 < kakimir> qyx: I use redlib and I want to migrate to newlib
2017-12-03T13:22:37 < kakimir> can it be so easy I just change to newlib in linker setings?
2017-12-03T13:24:22 < qyx> idk as I hear about the redlib for the first time
2017-12-03T13:25:07 < kakimir> it's shipped as default c lib in lpcxpresso and mcuexpresso
2017-12-03T13:25:44 < kakimir> creates also some boilerplate code in project for stuff like vectors and isrs
2017-12-03T13:27:02 < kakimir> https://pastebin.com/7syD1Lzk
2017-12-03T13:27:23 < kakimir> cr_startup_lpc1519.c
2017-12-03T13:32:22 < kakimir> *lpc15xx
2017-12-03T13:32:30 < kakimir> cr = code red
2017-12-03T13:33:51 < kakimir> it looks like it could work just by changing c lib in linker
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2017-12-03T13:53:37 < kakimir> hmm
2017-12-03T13:53:57 < kakimir> unknown type name 'size_t'
2017-12-03T13:57:35 < Steffanx> I just changed the stuff to "newlib-nano" in the settings, last time i did that. kakimir
2017-12-03T13:57:55 < kakimir> why don't I have standard types now
2017-12-03T13:58:11 < Steffanx> idk..
2017-12-03T13:58:23 < c4017> #include <stdint.h>
2017-12-03T13:58:40 < Steffanx> did you change it everywhere?
2017-12-03T13:58:43 < c4017> is the newlib headers folder in your include path?
2017-12-03T14:00:10 < Steffanx> Did you also change the "Libary headers" under MCU C Compiler > Misc... mr kakimir?
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2017-12-03T14:01:26 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-03T14:02:56 < kakimir> in project includes there is some arm-none-eabi/include
2017-12-03T14:03:00 < kakimir> multiple ones
2017-12-03T14:03:21 < kakimir> that has newlibs
2017-12-03T14:03:33 < Steffanx> and you are sure you included the right headers?
2017-12-03T14:04:48 < Steffanx> And is it compile time or is it just eclipse whining?
2017-12-03T14:05:38 < kakimir> compiler error
2017-12-03T14:06:22 < Steffanx> i dont know then. https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-12-03T14:07:49 < Steffanx> or types work? uint8_t etc.?
2017-12-03T14:10:50 < kakimir> so I opened stdint-gcc.h
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2017-12-03T14:11:00 < kakimir> because it was included in stdint.h
2017-12-03T14:11:06 < kakimir> there is no size_t
2017-12-03T14:11:36 < Steffanx> isn't size_t in stddef.h or whatever.
2017-12-03T14:13:35 < kakimir> why there is multiple stdint.h files
2017-12-03T14:13:55 < Steffanx> Are you just talking out loud or do you expect an answer? :P
2017-12-03T14:14:25 < kakimir> there is size_t in stddef
2017-12-03T14:14:36 < kakimir> why did it work before migrating to newlib?
2017-12-03T14:15:09 < kakimir> maybe some redlib code included stddef.h
2017-12-03T14:15:15 < Steffanx> not unlikely.
2017-12-03T14:17:17 < kakimir> size_t is not defined in stdint.h
2017-12-03T14:17:19 < kakimir> my bad!
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2017-12-03T14:17:55 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-12-03T14:18:59 < qyx> never used stddef.h
2017-12-03T14:19:27 < kakimir> me neather
2017-12-03T14:19:35 < Steffanx> probably because its included by stdio/stdlib/whteverlib?
2017-12-03T14:19:55 < kakimir> but modules should be self contained with includes
2017-12-03T14:20:19 < kakimir> so there is like 6files missing stddef
2017-12-03T14:21:30 < kakimir> Steffanx: I don't use question mark when I just speak out loud
2017-12-03T14:22:50 < Steffanx> i meant to say: Think out loud, but... :P
2017-12-03T14:23:01 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-03T14:23:38 < Steffanx> so do you use newlibnano or newlib?
2017-12-03T14:25:29 < kakimir> newlib is now set
2017-12-03T14:25:39 < kakimir> as I tried to figure that size_t thing
2017-12-03T14:25:59 < kakimir> what is difference between nohost and none versions?
2017-12-03T14:30:01 < qyx> stddef is included in stdlib, so meh
2017-12-03T14:30:24 < kakimir> I rarelly use stdlib.h
2017-12-03T14:31:04 < kakimir> now I am at point when linker complains about _sbrk_r
2017-12-03T14:31:30 < Steffanx> You probably went with none i guess? :P
2017-12-03T14:32:39 < kakimir> yes I'm not familiar with it
2017-12-03T14:32:48 < kakimir> what does sbrk stand for?
2017-12-03T14:33:30 < Steffanx> I think you have to do some googling kakimir.
2017-12-03T14:34:06 < Steffanx> also: https://community.nxp.com/thread/389153
2017-12-03T14:34:46 < Steffanx> kakimir: wikipedia has a page about sbrk : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbrk
2017-12-03T14:42:29 < c4017> kakimir do you have syscalls.c?
2017-12-03T14:42:35 < c4017> you need it for sbrk
2017-12-03T14:43:56 < kakimir> I just changed to nohost
2017-12-03T14:44:00 < kakimir> binary came out
2017-12-03T14:45:22 < kakimir> now debug
2017-12-03T14:48:51 < kakimir> hmm
2017-12-03T14:49:01 < kakimir> uart communications have turned into crap
2017-12-03T14:51:07 < c4017> system clock is maybe misconfigured?
2017-12-03T14:52:34 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-03T15:03:18 < kakimir> hmm
2017-12-03T15:03:43 < kakimir> I halved speed of main oscillator to 12mhz and it werks
2017-12-03T15:04:23 < kakimir> let's return to that problem later
2017-12-03T15:05:40 < kakimir> 24 - no workki but mcu doesn't crash
2017-12-03T15:05:54 < kakimir> 12 - workki
2017-12-03T15:06:12 < kakimir> I think I need to set oscillator
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2017-12-03T15:06:39 < kakimir> but it's weird with newlib serial speed works as it should
2017-12-03T15:06:52 < kakimir> with redlib serial speed was exactly half of set speed
2017-12-03T15:07:39 < kakimir> snprintf is working
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2017-12-03T15:28:25 < kakimir> next I might need reentrant support
2017-12-03T15:31:43 < Steffanx> newlib-nano tends to be smaller btw kakimir. More for microcontroller stuff.
2017-12-03T15:33:13 < kakimir> not my first problem
2017-12-03T15:33:50 < kakimir> so for reentrant support I need to turn nohost -> none and write a custom heap file?
2017-12-03T15:34:11 < kakimir> heap_newlib.c
2017-12-03T15:38:08 < kakimir> or should I install some mcuoneclipse stuff?
2017-12-03T15:38:27 < kakimir> maybe time to migrate to mcuxpresso now
2017-12-03T15:38:37 < Fleck> hey kakimir
2017-12-03T15:38:53 < kakimir> hey Fleck
2017-12-03T15:39:39 < kakimir> speak out
2017-12-03T15:39:46 < Fleck> kakimir: put your LDFLAGS as last argument for linker and -lnosys to LD FLAGS
2017-12-03T15:40:17 < kakimir> instead of nohost -> none
2017-12-03T15:40:19 < kakimir> ?
2017-12-03T15:42:01 < Fleck> never used nohost, can't tell
2017-12-03T15:44:49 < kakimir> so you need -lnosys even with (none)
2017-12-03T15:45:29 < kakimir> none doesn't link stuff like _sbrk_r
2017-12-03T15:45:44 < kakimir> afaik
2017-12-03T15:46:23 < kakimir> that's the goal for making reentrant support possible?
2017-12-03T15:48:27 < Fleck> try tha
2017-12-03T15:48:28 < Fleck> t
2017-12-03T15:48:41 < Fleck> never used none too
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2017-12-03T15:51:05 < kakimir> https://github.com/ErichStyger/McuOnEclipse_PEx/blob/master/Drivers/freeRTOS/Source/portable/MemMang/heap_useNewlib.c Steffanx what do you think about mcuonecplise project?
2017-12-03T15:52:28 < kakimir> it has some moded freertos files too to provide integration to some sort of graphical editor
2017-12-03T15:52:38 < kakimir> https://github.com/ErichStyger/McuOnEclipse_PEx/tree/master/Drivers/freeRTOS/Source
2017-12-03T15:53:27 < kakimir> or something
2017-12-03T15:54:09 < Steffanx> might work..
2017-12-03T15:55:31 < Steffanx> looks like you dont need your heapx.c stuff anymore when you use that, but ..
2017-12-03T15:59:07 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/gallery/xbkAh
2017-12-03T15:59:35 < Steffanx> tldr; :P
2017-12-03T15:59:57 < kakimir> Steffanx: should I use freescale sbrk_r routine instead of general one?
2017-12-03T16:08:09 < Steffanx> probabbly not kakimir
2017-12-03T16:08:38 < kakimir> you use processor expert plugin?
2017-12-03T16:11:05 < Steffanx> never heard of it, so unlikely.
2017-12-03T16:11:07 < kakimir> PE driver suite by kinesis
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2017-12-03T17:59:20 < englishman> anyone played with ESP8089?
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2017-12-03T18:05:07 < tpw_rules> isn't that just the suckier version of the 8266
2017-12-03T18:05:44 < englishman> if you consider dropping a dumb mcu with no flash to be suckier
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2017-12-03T18:30:39 < Rob235> https://paradigmgoods.com/product/couple-walking  OR  https://paradigmgoods.com/product/fall
2017-12-03T18:40:41 < kakimir> so I added this heap file to my project
2017-12-03T18:41:01 < kakimir> and something is wrong with it
2017-12-03T18:41:35 < kakimir> it's macros are not working correctly in the editor
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2017-12-03T18:41:41 < kakimir> but work in build
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2017-12-03T18:49:57 < kakimir>   #define configLINKER_HEAP_LIMIT_SYMBOL          _pvHeapLimit
2017-12-03T18:50:14 < kakimir> I don't see it in my linker script
2017-12-03T18:52:36 < kakimir> what should I do
2017-12-03T18:52:46 < kakimir> what is the most stylish way to implement it?
2017-12-03T18:55:50 < Lux> englishman: iirc it's exactly the same as the 8266
2017-12-03T18:56:23 < englishman> isnt it MCUless?
2017-12-03T18:56:28 < englishman> anyway i couldnt find a programming manual for it
2017-12-03T18:56:41 < englishman> a wifi ic with sdio interface etc. would be cool
2017-12-03T18:58:30 < Lux> actually the 8266 is just a relabeled 8089
2017-12-03T18:58:44 < Lux> it still has the mcu, as it does wifi offloading
2017-12-03T18:59:01 < Lux> all the crypto stuff etc is done onboard
2017-12-03T18:59:34 < Lux> you can even use the 8266 the same was as the 8089: https://oshlab.com/esp8266-raspberry-pi-gpio-wifi/
2017-12-03T18:59:40 < Lux> *way
2017-12-03T19:00:26 < Lux> englishman: https://zeptobars.com/en/read/Espressif-ESP8266-wifi-serial-rs232-ESP8089-IoT
2017-12-03T19:01:20 < englishman> hmm
2017-12-03T19:01:36 < englishman> 8089 is a new item on espressif's site
2017-12-03T19:01:39 < englishman> i wonder what the difference is then
2017-12-03T19:01:43 < englishman> i rememebr that zeptobars post
2017-12-03T19:02:03 < Lux> no the 8089 must have been there before
2017-12-03T19:02:15 < Lux> wouldn't make any sense otherwise
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2017-12-03T19:03:49 < Lux> I'd imagine they initially made the 8089 for cheap china tablets and then somehow figured out to use it as wifi mcu
2017-12-03T19:05:07 < englishman> yeah i must be wront
2017-12-03T19:05:12 < englishman> datasheet released 2014
2017-12-03T19:05:50 < englishman> so i can treat esp8266 as an equally dumb wifi IC? as it doesnt have flash
2017-12-03T19:06:06 < englishman> there must be some good documentation out for it now
2017-12-03T19:07:09 < Rickta59> there was an article someplace about taking an esp8266 and turning it into a 8089 for the rpi
2017-12-03T19:07:25 < Rickta59> remove all the spi flash and wire it to the dio pins on the rpi
2017-12-03T19:08:33 < Rickta59> https://hackaday.io/project/8678-rpi-wifi
2017-12-03T19:08:38 < englishman> If you do not pull down GPIO 15 on boot, as you would when running it as a microcontroller, it runs in SDIO mode and is basically an ESP8089 IC at that point.
2017-12-03T19:09:35 < Rickta59> sorry .. that was all mentioned b4 me .. * just scrolling back now
2017-12-03T19:10:02 < englishman> actually it is 3-bit bootstrapping, sdi speed is selected as well
2017-12-03T19:10:02 < englishman> neat
2017-12-03T19:10:35 < branjb> englishman you done anything with HAL?
2017-12-03T19:10:44 < englishman> sure a couple things
2017-12-03T19:12:06 < branjb> trying to figure out why startup code fails, basically the first periph init it uses HAL_GetTick() but when I debug HAL_GetTick() always returns 0x00000000
2017-12-03T19:12:55 < branjb> never had that happen before, is there some reason gettick would not be clocking?
2017-12-03T19:14:03 < branjb> the periph is timing out because gettick never increments
2017-12-03T19:14:54 < englishman> hmm
2017-12-03T19:15:01 < englishman> did you select systick as the hal timebase
2017-12-03T19:15:10 < branjb> yeah
2017-12-03T19:15:14 < englishman> cube is full of hidden settings
2017-12-03T19:15:25 < branjb> HAL_GetTick is a weak function that returns uwTick
2017-12-03T19:15:37 < branjb> but searching through startup code uwTick is never used outside of gettick
2017-12-03T19:15:42 < branjb> so that's prob why it doesn't increment
2017-12-03T19:15:43 < branjb> haha
2017-12-03T19:15:56 < englishman> are you using keil or some other nonpro hack
2017-12-03T19:16:33 < branjb> i'm just using cube w/ eclipse
2017-12-03T19:16:47 < englishman> good luck
2017-12-03T19:16:50 < branjb> lol
2017-12-03T19:16:54 < branjb> it's worked for other shit
2017-12-03T19:17:01 < branjb> is gettick in micros?
2017-12-03T19:17:06 < branjb> I might just override it with a real timer
2017-12-03T19:17:09 < englishman> i never ever got that shit to pull includes properly
2017-12-03T19:17:40 < Rickta59> eclipse or the sw4smt32?
2017-12-03T19:18:00 < branjb> regular eclipse
2017-12-03T19:18:29 < Rickta59> using with the system workbench is seamless now and seems to work better .. it will even launch sw4stm32 from cub
2017-12-03T19:18:32 < Rickta59> e
2017-12-03T19:18:40 < branjb> interesting
2017-12-03T19:18:45 < Rickta59> *granted this is on linux .. no idea about windows
2017-12-03T19:18:51 < Rickta59> and it used to suck ...
2017-12-03T19:18:59 < branjb> but i don't think the IDE is the issue, the startup code doesn't generate anything that increments uwTick that I can see
2017-12-03T19:19:19 < Rickta59> what is your target in cube?
2017-12-03T19:19:25 < Rickta59> target output code i mean
2017-12-03T19:19:49 < branjb> other
2017-12-03T19:20:01 < Rickta59> * goes to see if i've even seen that
2017-12-03T19:21:37 < Rickta59> so you have to run some script on that after?
2017-12-03T19:21:47 < Rickta59> what is gpdsc?
2017-12-03T19:22:35 < branjb> i'm not sure, i'm using a meme tool to generate a makefile from it
2017-12-03T19:23:19 < Rickta59> i just use sw4stm32 .. push the code generation .. then push launch sw4stm32 .. everything has seemed to work for me without hassle
2017-12-03T19:23:35 < Rickta59> i guess it all depends on which stm32 device you are targetting
2017-12-03T19:23:43 < branjb> the way i've been doing it has worked fine for a few projects before this one
2017-12-03T19:23:44 < Rickta59> but i'm using it with the f0 and f1
2017-12-03T19:23:51 < branjb> i'm using an f4
2017-12-03T19:24:07 < Rickta59> are your RCC settings maybe wrong?
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2017-12-03T19:37:29 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/GHiUe61.gif
2017-12-03T19:39:27 < upgrdman> dat smile/dance at the end   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoYpJqFNj40
2017-12-03T19:46:44 < Steffanx> upgrdman is in love :P
2017-12-03T19:47:39 < upgrdman> https://youtu.be/e12lEzK2qec?t=52
2017-12-03T19:47:48 < upgrdman> Steffanx, you know it
2017-12-03T19:49:27 < Steffanx> Better visit japen next time then
2017-12-03T19:50:31 < Steffanx> next time = when you are close to jappyland
2017-12-03T19:55:51 < upgrdman> i may actually be going on a short vacation to japan soon-ish (within a year)
2017-12-03T19:56:09 < kakimir> malloc returns NULL pointer
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2017-12-03T20:03:56 < qyx> hm, if I wanted to manage a single peripheral from a bootloader (eg. a communication interface)
2017-12-03T20:04:17 < qyx> in a such way that it is available also while the app is running
2017-12-03T20:04:23 < qyx> how is it commonly done?
2017-12-03T20:06:15 < qyx> I can do some vector table magic to handle interrupts for the interface and forward the others to the app
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2017-12-03T20:10:05 < branjb> am I retarded?  in this diagram it seems like the slave device is responding before the master sends a command
2017-12-03T20:10:06 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/z9XNP
2017-12-03T20:12:02 < qyx> looks like the SDO is actually a master-to-slave signal
2017-12-03T20:13:12 < branjb> what, did they just mix up SDO and SDI?
2017-12-03T20:15:54 < qyx> or maybe not because the slave may place the MSB on the bus right after enabling
2017-12-03T20:17:05 < qyx> and the LSB is kept on the SDO line t_disSDO time after the device is disabled
2017-12-03T20:18:09 < branjb> yeah
2017-12-03T20:18:11 < branjb> i read it wrong
2017-12-03T20:18:26 < branjb> the response sits in a shift register that gets pushed out when clk and cs are present
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2017-12-03T20:18:55 < branjb> so that SDO is just whatever was sitting in the buffer before the transaction started
2017-12-03T20:23:41 < kakimir> I run out of heap
2017-12-03T20:24:02 < kakimir> and if I try to make it higher it complains
2017-12-03T20:24:21 < englishman> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24172983_712381865627806_3656498245778603499_o.jpg?oh=00effe608b682d70b242d42d66fdc513&oe=5A950458
2017-12-03T20:24:26 < englishman> what IC is that near TX1/RX1
2017-12-03T20:24:28 < englishman> funky little package
2017-12-03T20:24:41 < branjb> looks like an AS1
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2017-12-03T20:27:06 < kakimir> I see my massive acsii bullshit being allocated
2017-12-03T20:27:22 < kakimir> meaning CLI
2017-12-03T20:27:46 < kakimir> okay I gave 0x4000 whole bank for heap
2017-12-03T20:31:16 < kakimir> it werks again
2017-12-03T20:31:31 < kakimir> but there is a problem incomming
2017-12-03T20:32:29 < kakimir> anyway stack highwatermark is lower now
2017-12-03T20:32:38 < kakimir> what does it mean?
2017-12-03T20:33:32 < englishman> what does anything mean
2017-12-03T20:33:44 < kakimir> dope man
2017-12-03T20:34:09 < kakimir> it was 933 dec with heap3
2017-12-03T20:34:35 < kakimir> and with heap newlib and reentrant support its 844
2017-12-03T20:34:40 < kakimir> dec
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2017-12-03T20:39:32 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.3606.pdf
2017-12-03T20:41:01 < Laurenceb_> looks similar to what I'm writing, but a really weird architecture
2017-12-03T20:41:30 < Laurenceb_>  "standard" architecture: https://adeshpande3.github.io/assets/AlexNet.png
2017-12-03T20:48:06 < kakimir> how do I make some const variable to stay in flash?
2017-12-03T20:48:16 < kakimir> and read it from there?
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2017-12-03T20:48:31 < Steffanx> make it const kakimir -_-
2017-12-03T20:48:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jVoATOUIAk
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2017-12-03T20:56:49 < kakimir> I need to do a pointer to const string in my struct instead of const string
2017-12-03T20:56:58 < kakimir> or something it's very complicated system
2017-12-03T20:58:26 < kakimir> wait I'm referring to contant structure that has nonconstant strings
2017-12-03T21:03:12 < upgrdman> <Laurenceb_> upgrdman: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.3606.pdf
2017-12-03T21:03:25 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, that photo on page 8 ... should have been a black guy, amirite
2017-12-03T21:03:46 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-12-03T21:04:39 < Laurenceb_> how do people come up with their architectures
2017-12-03T21:04:57 < Laurenceb_> it just seems to be random permutations of stuff dreamt up
2017-12-03T21:06:04 < Laurenceb_> that paper seems to be unlike any of the CNN architectures - its just nested filter combinations followed by histogram statistics, but there are 64 different filter permutations (8x8)
2017-12-03T21:06:38 < upgrdman> guys, guys   <Laurenceb_> upgrdman: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.3606.pdf
2017-12-03T21:06:41 < upgrdman> oops
2017-12-03T21:06:45 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-12-03T21:06:49 < upgrdman> guys, guys    https://i.imgur.com/xscq4zj.gifv
2017-12-03T21:07:04 < upgrdman> ctrl-v'd the wrong thing at first :)
2017-12-03T21:07:10 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-12-03T21:07:22 < Laurenceb_> lol @ CCTV head
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2017-12-03T21:29:44 < Laurenceb_> wooot Drumpf is coming to UK
2017-12-03T21:29:50  * Laurenceb_ orders MAGA hat
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2017-12-03T21:38:32 < karlp> englishman: did you work out what "AS1" package was?
2017-12-03T22:02:21 < englishman> nope
2017-12-03T22:03:37 < Laurenceb_> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARMOURED-JAGUAR-XJ8-LWB-BUILT-FOR-TONY-BLAIR-B7-VR7-ARMOURED-BULLET-PROOF-/182825147239?nma=true&si=I1Jpv9x24r6DKUOmhaejzjGU2FU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
2017-12-03T22:04:56 < englishman> why does he need an armoured truck? aren't guns illegal?
2017-12-03T22:08:15 < Steffanx> Wanna buy a gun to kill Trump, Laurenceb_?
2017-12-03T22:08:38 < Laurenceb_> >implying I'd want to kill the god emperor
2017-12-03T22:09:03 < Steffanx> No, just trying to get you on some special lists :P
2017-12-03T22:09:58 < englishman> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/1szkrEX.jpg
2017-12-03T22:10:27 < Steffanx> Charging ya phone while bbqing?
2017-12-03T22:10:38 < Steffanx> looks good though
2017-12-03T22:10:57 < Steffanx> Did you shoot the salmon yourself?
2017-12-03T22:11:19 < englishman> yes sniped it straight out of the Bears mouth at the local costco
2017-12-03T22:12:05 < englishman> no the cord is for the ragepberripi BBQ controller
2017-12-03T22:13:11 < Steffanx> :D
2017-12-03T22:14:30 < Laurenceb_> >bear
2017-12-03T22:14:42 < Laurenceb_> englishman confirmed as Russian haxor
2017-12-03T22:23:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PMIuPgoTU blyat
2017-12-03T22:24:40 < Fleck> hello Steffanx
2017-12-03T22:25:52 < Steffanx> Welcome Fleck.
2017-12-03T22:26:12 < Steffanx> What can i do for you today, mr Fleck?
2017-12-03T22:26:12 < Fleck> welcome to what? :D
2017-12-03T22:26:34 < Steffanx> to the best channel of freenode, what else?
2017-12-03T22:26:36 < Fleck> nothing I guess
2017-12-03T22:26:53 < Fleck> I didn't leave this chan, did I ? :P
2017-12-03T22:27:07 < Steffanx> I dont monitor you, so.. i wouldnt know
2017-12-03T22:27:53 < Fleck> noo?
2017-12-03T22:28:13 < Steffanx> Nein.
2017-12-03T22:28:40 < Fleck> :)
2017-12-03T22:43:55 < Steffanx> so how was the sunday of today Fleck?
2017-12-03T22:44:32 < Fleck> awesome!
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2017-12-03T22:53:41 < Steffanx> good to hear that sir Fleck
2017-12-03T22:54:12 < Fleck> weather suck tho
2017-12-03T22:54:49 < Fleck> should be winter... snow and stuff, ya know, but ... rains for a month already :(
2017-12-03T22:57:33 < zyp> aww
2017-12-03T23:03:08 < Fleck> hey zyp
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2017-12-03T23:03:51 < zyp> sup?
2017-12-03T23:08:54 < Steffanx> So no fancy snow web cam yet? ( you post that cam every year.. right? )
2017-12-03T23:09:13 < Steffanx> The camera pointed at some intersection with a traffic light.
2017-12-03T23:09:23 < zyp> haha
2017-12-03T23:10:12 < Fleck> no, just rain there :P
2017-12-03T23:14:59 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: if ur interested in "neural networks" https://adeshpande3.github.io/adeshpande3.github.io/The-9-Deep-Learning-Papers-You-Need-To-Know-About.html
2017-12-03T23:15:23 < Laurenceb_> I like how each new design has virtually no developments from the previous design
2017-12-03T23:15:41 < Laurenceb_>  "we'll throw that shit out and start again"
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2017-12-03T23:33:51 < kakimir> how does heap not go fragmented?
2017-12-03T23:34:14 < kakimir> when there is constantly stuff added to end but removed from where-ever
2017-12-03T23:36:52 < Laurenceb_> erm it doesnt
2017-12-03T23:37:04 < Laurenceb_> if ur using multithreaded heap?
2017-12-03T23:37:27 < kakimir> I mean I run rtos
2017-12-03T23:38:39 < Laurenceb_> isnt there an rtos malloc ?
2017-12-03T23:39:07 < kakimir> i don't know
2017-12-03T23:39:51 < Rickta59> if you use the same size allocation that makes it easier on the heap manager
2017-12-03T23:39:58 < Rickta59> heap allocator
2017-12-03T23:40:56 < Rickta59> use different "pool" sizes and fit everything in those and make the pools multiples of each other
2017-12-03T23:41:14 < Rickta59> or .. use "placement" new in c++
2017-12-03T23:42:00 < Rickta59> or just put data into a circular buffer
2017-12-03T23:42:02 < zyp> kakimir, heap fragmentation is a real problem
2017-12-03T23:42:30 < zyp> how big it is depends on your heap implementation and your allocation patterns
2017-12-03T23:42:48 < capacitor> crick
2017-12-03T23:43:12 < zyp> kakimir, also, a heap won't always put stuff at the end
2017-12-03T23:43:45 < zyp> a simple heap implementation like the one in newlib puts stuff in the first free space that's large enough
2017-12-03T23:43:59 < zyp> stuff will only get added to the end if it's too large to fit in between
2017-12-03T23:45:00 < zyp> and if you deallocate something that's sitting in between two large areas then they all get joined into one large free area
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2017-12-03T23:56:12 < kakimir> but all that takes resources?
2017-12-03T23:56:18 < kakimir> where are those resources?
2017-12-03T23:56:46 < zyp> takes what?
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2017-12-03T23:58:02 < kakimir> book keeping
2017-12-03T23:58:16 < kakimir> where is stuff.. where is not
2017-12-03T23:58:58 < zyp> I think typical heaps stores allocation size immediately before allocated object
2017-12-03T23:58:58 < Rickta59> https://github.com/eblot/newlib/blob/master/newlib/libc/sys/linux/malloc.c#L114
2017-12-03T23:59:37 < zyp> and then it keeps free blocks in a linked list
2017-12-03T23:59:50 < kakimir> makes sense
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2017-12-04T00:00:23 < zyp> keep a sorted linked list and it's easy to merge blocks, just look for a block where base + size matches next block's base
2017-12-04T00:04:07 < kakimir> merging blocks must be a housekeeping task?
2017-12-04T00:04:57 < kakimir> and probs must not be interrupted
2017-12-04T00:05:01 < zyp> adjacent free blocks can only be created by freeing a block that's adjacent to a free block
2017-12-04T00:05:12 < zyp> so you could just do that as part of the free() call
2017-12-04T00:06:41 < zyp> or you could have a shared heap in a rtos that just throws blocks in a queue when you call free() and then the idle task could process the queue and sort/merge them
2017-12-04T00:10:30 < kakimir> will my heap run out eventually if I don't do that queue thing?
2017-12-04T00:11:35 < zyp> nah, if you use a normal heap implementation, it'll just work
2017-12-04T00:11:47 < kakimir> okay
2017-12-04T00:11:54 < kakimir> nice
2017-12-04T00:12:12 < zyp> depending on your allocation pattern you might have some percentage of memory wasted to fragmentation, but unless you're about to run out of memory it's unlikely to be an issue
2017-12-04T00:15:06 < kakimir> so it's about constant percentage wasted if program does some symmetrical loop all the time
2017-12-04T00:22:19 < kakimir> usually big mallocs are called at the begin of program and smaller ones later so it's okay
2017-12-04T00:22:37 < kakimir> if there is like 90byte malloc here and there for some task
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2017-12-04T00:34:50 < Laurenceb_> this is reminding me of the CubeMX edit war over malloc
2017-12-04T00:40:55 < kakimir> cubemx has malloc problems?
2017-12-04T00:47:28 < Laurenceb_> no,the developers hate each other
2017-12-04T00:50:55 < kakimir> oh
2017-12-04T00:51:03 < kakimir> sweet
2017-12-04T00:51:24 < kakimir> good luck.. mcuxpresso kindof rules
2017-12-04T00:51:49 < tpw_rules> lpcxpresso was awesome
2017-12-04T00:51:58 < tpw_rules> systemworkbench is lame
2017-12-04T00:52:31 < kakimir> no - mcuxpresso
2017-12-04T00:52:39 < kakimir> check it out
2017-12-04T00:52:49 < kakimir> former lpcxpresso
2017-12-04T00:53:30 < tpw_rules> i haven't had a chance to use the new one cause i haven't needed to
2017-12-04T00:53:34 < tpw_rules> is it better than lpcxpresso
2017-12-04T00:53:48 < kakimir> it is
2017-12-04T00:54:01 < kakimir> same thing but more
2017-12-04T00:54:19 < kakimir> I think it's also faster
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2017-12-04T00:59:54 < aandrew> bah
2017-12-04T01:00:03 < aandrew> if you fuckers hate CubeMX you'll fucking hate ASF
2017-12-04T01:01:04 < Laurenceb_> there are CubeMX files where they clearly raged over use of malloc
2017-12-04T01:01:41 < Laurenceb_> lines commented out then replacements suggested in the comment before another way of doing things was copypastered in and stuff
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2017-12-04T01:27:21 < karlp> don't matter if it compiles and "works" right?
2017-12-04T01:27:31 < karlp> the compiler removes comments right? beest to leave it all there
2017-12-04T01:42:21 < kakimir> that is what you get when you let angry nerds fight each other
2017-12-04T01:57:58 < kakimir> I imagine management doesn't really understand what is going on when devs fight over malloc code
2017-12-04T02:10:12 < branjb> nerd talk
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2017-12-04T03:44:23 < Laurenceb_> if I get my PCA trained network to work it can be used as the ultimate youtube pundit
2017-12-04T03:44:32 < Laurenceb_> patreon dollarz here wecome
2017-12-04T03:45:07 < Laurenceb_> as it can say if something is a social construct or not
2017-12-04T03:45:41 < Laurenceb_> also
2017-12-04T03:45:46 < Laurenceb_> >humanities btfo
2017-12-04T03:52:50 < Cracki> pca? principal component analysis? eigenvectors or the covariance matrix?
2017-12-04T03:52:52 < Cracki> huh?
2017-12-04T03:54:00 < Cracki> ah http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7252036/
2017-12-04T04:12:43 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-12-04T04:13:01 < MrMobius> talking to yourself again?
2017-12-04T04:17:03 < Laurenceb_> principal component analysis
2017-12-04T04:17:12 < Laurenceb_> Cracki: for unsupervised learning
2017-12-04T04:17:49 < Cracki> hmhm
2017-12-04T04:17:59 < Cracki> good to know some basic stuff I know has applications in ML
2017-12-04T04:23:57 < upgrdman> cucked
2017-12-04T04:25:40 < Laurenceb_> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/12/03/2323235/googles-ai-built-an-ai-that-outperforms-any-made-by-humans
2017-12-04T04:26:06 < Laurenceb_> interesting paper thanks
2017-12-04T04:26:11 < Laurenceb_> dey stole my ideaz
2017-12-04T04:35:06 < Laurenceb_> its interesting because it can be easily made unsupervised
2017-12-04T04:35:21 < Laurenceb_> so ur socially constructed data labels can be ignored
2017-12-04T04:44:44 < Laurenceb_> wtf happened to my filter kernels https://imgur.com/TWrZqk3
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2017-12-04T05:07:34 < englishman> zyp, had a chance to test out a gfci circuit
2017-12-04T05:07:37 < englishman> i'm alive
2017-12-04T05:07:42 < englishman> sure am glad i installed that
2017-12-04T05:07:51 < dongs> lol
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2017-12-04T05:27:43 < aandrew> huh, SAMD51J19A is only $4 in onesie-twosie. That's a CM4F with decent periphs/specs
2017-12-04T05:29:59 < aandrew> similar STM32 is $5, nonstock and half the speed
2017-12-04T05:30:28 < aandrew> that's an F378
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2017-12-04T06:00:15 < ds2> aandrew: the STM32 probally has saner peripherals if the SAMD2x vs STM32 holds true
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2017-12-04T06:50:45 < solrize> yeah that adafruit blog post about the samd51 was interesting
2017-12-04T06:51:40 < solrize> wish they made it in E package for tiny boards like the trinket
2017-12-04T06:52:23 < solrize> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3382
2017-12-04T06:53:29 < solrize> march 2018 :(
2017-12-04T06:54:35 < ds2> advance preview?
2017-12-04T06:54:36 < ds2> ;)
2017-12-04T06:55:09 < solrize> well some of the sku's are shipping, but the march 2018 one seems like the most interesting one
2017-12-04T06:55:39 < solrize> so what's the next thing above the 64k/20k stm32 used in those chinese boards?
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2017-12-04T07:58:22 < dongs> who the fuck reads blag posts by aidsfruit
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2017-12-04T08:26:22 < dongs> anyone know if 160k ram on L45x is contiguous or some segmented bullshit
2017-12-04T08:29:41 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32l452re.html ST page is worthless as usual
2017-12-04T08:29:48 < dongs> i guess i should look at memorym ap
2017-12-04T08:30:59 < dongs> fuck
2017-12-04T08:31:04 < dongs> 128k + 32k segmented trash
2017-12-04T08:31:07 < dongs> ]fuck you ST
2017-12-04T08:39:24 < qyx> mhm
2017-12-04T08:39:38 < qyx> I plan to use L621 too with 160K sram
2017-12-04T08:39:50 < dongs> well, be prepared to know its segmented
2017-12-04T08:39:53 < dongs> looks like entire series is liek that
2017-12-04T08:40:04 < qyx> also the 320K versions may have even more segments
2017-12-04T08:41:01 < dongs> 320k shit is 256+64k
2017-12-04T08:41:19 < qyx> I though it is about time to move from F411 to L4
2017-12-04T08:41:28 < dongs> i was hoping to use 160k as single lcd framebuffer but having to deal with 2 segmens makes it annoying enough to not want to bother
2017-12-04T08:41:33 < qyx> even the price is comparable
2017-12-04T08:41:46 < dongs> and i was gonna sue L4 because of touchsense but looks like all things equal, ill get cheaper performance from F302RE
2017-12-04T08:41:59 < dongs> i would stay on 401/411
2017-12-04T08:42:05 < dongs> unless you need a reason to change
2017-12-04T08:42:13 < qyx> there is that qspi
2017-12-04T08:42:14 < dongs> my current shit is f401 and it works fine except i need touchsense channels
2017-12-04T08:42:30 < qyx> whych may speed up the flash
2017-12-04T08:42:39 < dongs> what flash?
2017-12-04T08:42:42 < qyx> but the current fs is shit enough that I shluld not care
2017-12-04T08:42:46 < dongs> are you planning on execute code from it?
2017-12-04T08:42:58 < qyx> I use external SPI flash only for firmware backups and upgrades
2017-12-04T08:43:23 < dongs> right but wht will you do wiht qspi
2017-12-04T08:43:32 < qyx> more pro
2017-12-04T08:44:52 < dongs> F302 would be stopdown from F401 in MHz/RAM but i am not using that much
2017-12-04T08:45:47 < dongs> mhz would be more annoying but it can be overclocked from 72 to whatever but then i need external crystal cuz F3 trash uses the F1 RCC thing that halves intrc
2017-12-04T08:45:51 < dongs> so you can only do 64mhz without crystal
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2017-12-04T10:35:30 < stvn> hi Steffanx
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2017-12-04T10:43:33 < stvn> i want to shop on bang good
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2017-12-04T10:53:40 < dongs> stvn
2017-12-04T10:54:08 < stvn> yeah man
2017-12-04T10:55:46 < stvn> i'm only on prison break for 20 mins man
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2017-12-04T11:15:21 < stvn> FUCK
2017-12-04T11:26:12 < dongs> getting stoned
2017-12-04T11:26:18 < dongs> thanfully im leaving tomrow
2017-12-04T11:29:40 < stvn> nice
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2017-12-04T13:15:59 < qyx> I hate those usb micro-b connectors
2017-12-04T13:16:03 < qyx> it is pain to hand solder them
2017-12-04T13:18:04 < zyp> indeed
2017-12-04T13:19:48 < qyx> I have not found anything better as a console/config interface yet though
2017-12-04T13:20:24 < zyp> the trick is to avoid having to hand solder them
2017-12-04T13:20:55 < karlp> heh, cute way of hiding breakpoint+display variable: http://blog.atollic.com/use-dynamic-printf-during-your-debug-sessions-be-lazy-and-save-time
2017-12-04T13:22:09 < qyx> lol
2017-12-04T13:26:16 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/u9XvV.JPG <- when I assembled this shit I figured there weren't really a point to get a stencil so I could reflow it, since it were so few parts
2017-12-04T13:26:23 < zyp> I hated myself for that decision afterwards
2017-12-04T13:27:33 < qyx> nick work
2017-12-04T13:27:48 < qyx> I did the same yesterday
2017-12-04T13:27:55 < qyx> went full rage mode afterwards
2017-12-04T13:28:44 < qyx> with sn99 solder and large ground plane + million vias I was not able to desolder it
2017-12-04T13:28:52 < zyp> I think I did the USB first and that used up all my patience, which is why I didn't care about getting the caps to look nice
2017-12-04T13:29:08 < qyx> I cut it away, cleaned the pcb and started again with a fresh connector
2017-12-04T13:29:58 < zyp> and I'm too lazy to use leadless solder for hand soldered shit
2017-12-04T13:30:31 < qyx> from time to time, I do the same mistake over and over
2017-12-04T13:30:41 < qyx> any try it
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2017-12-04T14:13:42 < Fleck> good job zyp :)
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2017-12-04T15:50:10 < jadew> zyp, get a solder paste dispenser
2017-12-04T15:50:56 < jadew> would have taken you a minute to apply solder to that board
2017-12-04T15:52:47 < zyp> I'd rather keep stenciling
2017-12-04T15:52:50 < zyp> I think
2017-12-04T16:03:54 < jadew> it's cleaner too
2017-12-04T16:04:44 < jadew> (the other argument for one offs being that it's cheaper)
2017-12-04T16:21:15 < kakimir> do you use acsii or ansi format in serial cli?
2017-12-04T16:23:48 < qyx> wat
2017-12-04T16:24:27 < qyx> if you insist on using special characters in 2017, use utf8
2017-12-04T16:24:42 < qyx> or what you mean
2017-12-04T16:24:46 < qyx> the escape sequences?
2017-12-04T16:27:03 < kakimir> I see first ascii and then ansi and second ascii in real term do differently with tab char
2017-12-04T16:27:23 < kakimir> there is for some reason 2 asciis and second one renders tab as tab
2017-12-04T16:27:34 < kakimir> first one renders HT escape char
2017-12-04T16:28:03 < qyx> you make no sense
2017-12-04T16:29:30 < englishman> kakimir:
2017-12-04T16:29:31 < englishman> The Man in Steamy Room emoji is a sequence of the 🧖 Person in Steamy Room and ♂ Male Sign emojis.
2017-12-04T16:29:47 < englishman> 🧖
2017-12-04T16:30:01 < englishman> relevant
2017-12-04T16:30:03 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-04T16:30:19 < kakimir> I mean there is one acsii that renders tabs with 5 spaces
2017-12-04T16:30:33 < englishman> 🧖🏻 extra-finnish
2017-12-04T16:30:47 < kakimir> also ansi renders with 5 spaces
2017-12-04T16:31:00 < kakimir> first acsii option renders them as HT
2017-12-04T16:31:33 < kakimir> I wonder if I should convert tabs in my application
2017-12-04T16:33:22 < qyx> you should not use tabs if you need exact width
2017-12-04T16:33:27 < qyx> tab has no exact width
2017-12-04T16:33:57 < kakimir> true
2017-12-04T16:33:59 < qyx> it is tabs purpose
2017-12-04T16:34:27 < kakimir> is there a function to generate vtasklist header?
2017-12-04T16:34:43 < kakimir> it doesn't make that header that is in demos
2017-12-04T16:35:06 < qyx> idk, I use custom table macros for it
2017-12-04T16:42:32 < kakimir> does vTasklist use always maximum task name length + tab for spacing to state?
2017-12-04T16:42:40 < kakimir> state parameter
2017-12-04T16:44:17 < kakimir> I could make maximum task name length - name header length + tab for spacing to prio header
2017-12-04T16:44:31 < kakimir> if it's the case
2017-12-04T16:46:36 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-xV8nEhFOaU0WyiHLxRjnY0rG-lR4dBA/view?usp=sharing
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2017-12-04T17:08:16 < aandrew> ds2: possibly, my work so far with the SAMD51 has been one of "holy fuck how many more levels of indirection are there before I can actually touch the fucking usart"
2017-12-04T17:10:13 < kakimir> did m3 have native support for 2byte data?
2017-12-04T17:10:44 < aandrew> which micro-usb-b are you using?
2017-12-04T17:11:49 < aandrew> dongs pointed me to one I've standardized on, it's not even too bad to hand solder:  FCI 10103594 (DigiKey 609-4050-1-ND if you aren't banned)
2017-12-04T17:12:53 < aandrew> zyp: that looks like the dongs-approved FCI connector
2017-12-04T17:12:58 < aandrew> what's so hard to solder about it
2017-12-04T17:13:45 < aandrew> don't use your dad's old weller soldering gun https://goo.gl/BnuarX
2017-12-04T17:14:57 < Fleck> Steffanx: http://fleck.rullz.lv/skatcam/viewcam.php?cam=4
2017-12-04T17:16:40 < aandrew> Fleck: where's that?
2017-12-04T17:17:24 < kakimir> hmm it wasn't gif
2017-12-04T17:17:29 < branjb> haha: http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/12/04/obama-biden-bromantic-animated-series-barry-joe-production/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
2017-12-04T17:17:36 < kakimir> waiting for an accident to happen
2017-12-04T17:22:03 < Fleck> ;D
2017-12-04T17:22:17 < Fleck> it's live, no recording kakimir :P
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2017-12-04T17:25:05 < Steffanx> There it is Fleck  \o/
2017-12-04T17:27:17 < Fleck> ;)
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2017-12-04T17:27:30 < qyx> wtf they are completely ignoring traffic lights
2017-12-04T17:27:44 < Fleck> riight :P
2017-12-04T17:28:34 < qyx> is it normal in .lv?
2017-12-04T17:28:51 < Fleck> wrong question...
2017-12-04T17:29:17 < qyx> why
2017-12-04T17:29:26 < Fleck> cause they are not ignoring
2017-12-04T17:29:59 < qyx> did kakimir program the lights?
2017-12-04T17:31:06 < Fleck> and no, only stupid drivers ignore traffic lights here, on our city they are almost non-existent, don't remember when I last saw somone
2017-12-04T17:32:05 < Fleck> s/on/in
2017-12-04T17:32:16 < Fleck> aargh
2017-12-04T17:32:17 < qyx> then wheres the problem
2017-12-04T17:32:22 < Fleck> curved fingers :P
2017-12-04T17:32:35 < Fleck> dunno, where you see the problem, I don't looks OK to me
2017-12-04T17:33:09 < qyx> mhm
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2017-12-04T17:34:24 < Fleck> explain qyx :P
2017-12-04T17:45:27 < qyx> idk, it seems chaotic to me
2017-12-04T17:45:37 < Fleck> :D
2017-12-04T17:45:42 < qyx> 10 minutes lost, sizeof->strlen
2017-12-04T17:48:13 < invzim> crap, altium is playing dumb with the docking stuff again
2017-12-04T17:49:11 < invzim> I want projects AND libraries as two 'tabs' on the right
2017-12-04T17:49:21 < invzim> now it only goes to projects+libaries as one entity
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2017-12-04T18:08:41 < Cracki> qyx, what are you doing there
2017-12-04T18:08:51 < Cracki> sizeof/strlen sounds like a newbie mistake
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2017-12-04T18:16:52 < qyx> sounds like a braindamage
2017-12-04T18:21:53 < tr0ubl3> Fleck: Where is camera 2?
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2017-12-04T19:54:35 < kakimir> is there a shortcut for eclipse to change all mentions of function or so different?
2017-12-04T19:54:45 < kakimir> as you type in edit for it
2017-12-04T19:57:37 < kakimir> can I add static parameter to function in header?
2017-12-04T19:57:48 < kakimir> in addition to source static parameter
2017-12-04T19:59:50 < kakimir> for readability
2017-12-04T20:05:29 < zyp> wtf are you asking?
2017-12-04T20:06:55 < kakimir> is it okay to have static in both
2017-12-04T20:07:02 < kakimir> source and header
2017-12-04T20:07:11 < zyp> a static what?
2017-12-04T20:08:15 < kakimir> function
2017-12-04T20:08:31 < aandrew> does not compute
2017-12-04T20:08:36 < aandrew> you don't put a static function in a header file
2017-12-04T20:08:48 < aandrew> static functions have limited scope
2017-12-04T20:08:55 < zyp> what aandrew said
2017-12-04T20:09:04 < zyp> you generally doesn't declare static functions in headers
2017-12-04T20:09:18 < aandrew> not generally, you just don't, unless you don't know what you're doing
2017-12-04T20:09:44 < aandrew> or you want to follow some silly coding requirement like a dumbass, but that puts you in the "don't know what you're doing" category again
2017-12-04T20:15:00 < Steffanx> Sounds like misra c :P
2017-12-04T20:15:13 < aandrew> so again, "don't know what your'e doing" dept. :-)
2017-12-04T20:15:25 < aandrew> honestly I like MISRA, or at least the idea behind it
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2017-12-04T21:34:55 < Fleck> tr0ubl3: no clue
2017-12-04T21:35:19 < PaulFertser> aandrew: some small always inline static functions in header can make sense. You get some typechecking for free that way compared to macros.
2017-12-04T21:36:42 < Fleck> tr0ubl3: hmm, it's working
2017-12-04T21:36:56 < Fleck> what do you mean by "where it is" tr0ubl3?
2017-12-04T21:37:04 < Fleck> location?
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2017-12-04T21:40:06 < aandrew> PaulFertser: but now you get into code in headers which is a capital offense
2017-12-04T21:40:32 < aandrew> PaulFertser: if you really want that then I think a macro is probably better, or just make a function that's labelled inline and *don't* mark it static since ... well, it's not
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2017-12-04T21:41:39 < jpa-> idea behind MISRA is that a bunch of rules will magically transform a poorly defined and unsafe language into one fit for safety critical tasks?
2017-12-04T21:41:50 < PaulFertser> aandrew: how else can you share short fast inline code in C if you can't count on LTO?
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2017-12-04T21:42:32 < englishman> if anyone wants 15% off an arrow order before the 31st, lemme know, they sent me 5 coupons
2017-12-04T21:43:07 < sync> jpa-: it is there so your code analyzer can give you the warnings for you to ignore
2017-12-04T21:43:28 < aandrew> jpa-: no, MISRA tries to enforce good constructs and a mentality surrounding writing safe code
2017-12-04T21:43:38 < Laurenceb> woah my hood made the news
2017-12-04T21:43:44 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/zPlpL54
2017-12-04T21:43:58 < Laurenceb> classy as fuck
2017-12-04T21:44:01 < sync> wat
2017-12-04T21:44:08 < sync> defending the christmas tree?
2017-12-04T21:44:11 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-12-04T21:44:17 < aandrew> PaulFertser: perhaps I'm missing something. If you've declared a func as inline what is LTO doing to fuck you?
2017-12-04T21:44:23 < Laurenceb> tfw I live just out of view on that photo
2017-12-04T21:44:24 < aandrew> sounds like a compiler issue, no?
2017-12-04T21:44:58 < jpa-> this conversation is heading towards the crazyland pretty fast
2017-12-04T21:45:04 < Laurenceb> iwlts pitched gun battles to defend the tree from ISIS
2017-12-04T21:45:30  * Laurenceb sets up webcam
2017-12-04T21:45:33 < Steffanx> never arrow for me again, englishman. They dont want to charge me VAT in advance.
2017-12-04T21:46:03 < englishman> is that your biggest complaint so far?
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2017-12-04T21:46:13 < PaulFertser> aandrew: if you can count on LTO you do not bother with macros and functions in headers. But if LTO is not always used, how to share small code snippets? C macros are just worse than static inline functions in every possible regard for this usecase.
2017-12-04T21:46:18 < Steffanx> Yes englishman.
2017-12-04T21:46:19 < englishman> i ordered 25 pieces of a single line, it came in 3 separate shipments
2017-12-04T21:46:27 < Steffanx> Got charged like 150% of the order.
2017-12-04T21:46:36 < englishman> 22, 2, and 1 pieces in each box
2017-12-04T21:46:41 < englishman> a fedex shipment with a single mosfet
2017-12-04T21:46:54 < Steffanx> ^  i think they could charge me 3 times shippping VAT wise in that case
2017-12-04T21:46:59 < englishman> nice
2017-12-04T21:47:00 < Steffanx> fuck that. wont even try.
2017-12-04T21:47:01 < aandrew> hm. I think I'm missing something
2017-12-04T21:47:40 < aandrew> optimafuncs.c: inline int foo(int bar) { ... }
2017-12-04T21:47:52 < aandrew> optimafuncs.h: inline int foo(int bar);
2017-12-04T21:48:17 < aandrew> foo.c: #include <optimafuncs.h> ... val = foo(bar);
2017-12-04T21:48:33 < aandrew> if your compiler is not listening to inline, that's a different issue.
2017-12-04T21:49:17 < aandrew> IIRC the linux kernel has some trickery/fuckery to make gcc listen to inline better because of these issues
2017-12-04T21:49:33 < aandrew> but how does declaring a func static inside of a header fix this?
2017-12-04T21:49:40 < PaulFertser> aandrew: I mean what if you need to share _code_ between different C files?
2017-12-04T21:49:53 < aandrew> it sounds like you're working around the compiler bug where it listens to static but not inline
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2017-12-04T21:50:35 < aandrew> PaulFertser: what kind of use case do you have where the *source* must be shared between source files?
2017-12-04T21:52:53 < PaulFertser> aandrew: e.g. functions to work with linked lists. You might want them in many different parts of your project. And you do not want call overhead for them. Then you either declare macros or declare static inline. In both cases you get _code_ in headers, but with functions you also get typechecking, proper variables etc.
2017-12-04T21:53:27 < aandrew> I'm sorry, I must be dense
2017-12-04T21:53:49 < aandrew> if your linkedlistprimitives.c has functions declared inline, do you not achieve this same benefit?
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2017-12-04T21:54:24 < PaulFertser> aandrew: when calling functions from linkedlistprimiteves from other C files you'll have function call overhead each time, yes.
2017-12-04T21:54:35 < aandrew> if they are declared inline??
2017-12-04T21:54:56 < Amun_Ra> inline is just a suggestion after all
2017-12-04T21:55:28 < PaulFertser> aandrew: eh, of course. Unless you enable LTO.
2017-12-04T21:55:51 < aandrew> I need to test this
2017-12-04T21:55:59 < jpa-> PaulFertser is correct here :)
2017-12-04T21:56:00 < aandrew> because if I tell a compiler that a func is inline, it should be inline regardless of LTO
2017-12-04T21:56:14 < aandrew> I am willing to accept I am wrong, but this sounds like a compiler error
2017-12-04T21:56:16 < Amun_Ra> it may or it may not be inlined
2017-12-04T21:56:17 < jpa-> only within a translation unit
2017-12-04T21:56:59 < PaulFertser> related, there's a GCC-specific attribute always_inline
2017-12-04T21:57:00 < jpa-> aandrew: the compiler doesn't even look at linkedlistprimitives.c or linkedlistprimitives.o when it compiles main.c to main.o, so there is no way for it to inline it
2017-12-04T21:57:32 < jpa-> LTO circumvents this by doing the inlining at the linker when main.o is combined with linkedlistprimitives.o, but normal linkers do not do that
2017-12-04T21:57:54 < aandrew> jpa-: right, but it has to resolve the funcs in linkedlistprimitives.c at link time, and it knows that the funcs are supposed to be inline from the header file declaration
2017-12-04T21:58:10 < Amun_Ra> PaulFertser: even that sometimes do not work
2017-12-04T21:58:26 < aandrew> this is interesting, and I appreciate your insistence on this
2017-12-04T21:58:26 < PaulFertser> Amun_Ra: have a testcase?
2017-12-04T21:58:49 < Amun_Ra> PaulFertser: it was long time ago, I might not have it unfortunatelly
2017-12-04T21:59:00 < aandrew> I'll concede that what you describe is how it works, but I'd counter that that is wrong. :-)
2017-12-04T21:59:04 < PaulFertser> aandrew: normal linker just can't generate any code, it resolves addresses and that's it. So it can't inline anything.
2017-12-04T22:00:28 < jpa-> even if it would just pick the assembler code and put it in place of the call, that would be pretty useless
2017-12-04T22:00:39 < jpa-> to make any sense, it would need the full optimization passes from the compiler
2017-12-04T22:01:02 < jpa-> thus.. link time optimization
2017-12-04T22:01:17 < aandrew> right, I understand
2017-12-04T22:18:06 < zyp> traditional linking just consists of resolving symbols, i.e. replacing placeholders with actual addresses
2017-12-04T22:19:46 < aandrew> right. like I said, I appreciate the insistence here. It makes sense, although I still want to scream that the compiler doesn't say "dumbass, I can't link inline code without adding entry/exit code and if I'm doing that I may as well leave the call in place"
2017-12-04T22:21:05 < zyp> well, like already mentioned, inline is just a hint that the compiler is free to ignore
2017-12-04T22:21:25 < zyp> gcc got an always_inline attribute though
2017-12-04T22:21:35 < aandrew> yes
2017-12-04T22:22:11 < jpa-> if that makes you want to scream.. there are so many nasty surprises C has left for you :)
2017-12-04T22:26:57 < aandrew> I'm not new to c by any stretch, but now and again I get schooled again
2017-12-04T22:26:57 < Steffanx> Better use ARMCC, only true compiler
2017-12-04T22:27:20 < zyp> jpa-, how did your ipv6 stuff go, by the way?
2017-12-04T22:28:03 < jpa-> zyp: it works quite ok; then one of my customers sold some stuff and now i have too much work to work on other work :P
2017-12-04T22:28:12 < zyp> I was thinking about doing something similar the other day, got curious about a few implementation details
2017-12-04T22:28:27 < zyp> i.e. addressing
2017-12-04T22:28:35 < zyp> how do you handle that?
2017-12-04T22:29:32 < jpa-> i give my device an address of fdde:XXXX::1 where XXXX is serial number, and then advertise that /64 net to the PC
2017-12-04T22:30:07 < zyp> thought about doing mdns to do lookup by name?
2017-12-04T22:30:22 < jpa-> problem remains of nicely getting the address from PC, mdns should work except not on windows; requiring people to type in the address and adding bookmark is not very fancy but would work
2017-12-04T22:30:43 < zyp> oh, didn't know windows don't do mdns
2017-12-04T22:31:19 < jpa-> yeah, another thought was always advertising some fdde::1 on all devices, then that would work as long as there is only one connected
2017-12-04T22:31:34 < PaulFertser> There's same randevous implementation for windows, I thought it adds mdns resolution there, does it not?
2017-12-04T22:32:00 < zyp> having to add third party stuff kinda removes the point though
2017-12-04T22:32:30 < PaulFertser> Well, it's only for window users, and they're doomed to suffer anyway.
2017-12-04T22:32:34 < jpa-> 0x08047130 in std::function<void (std::unique_ptr<spi_packet_t, std::default_delete<spi_packet_t> >)>::function(std::function<void (std::unique_ptr<spi_packet_t, std::default_delete<spi_packet_t> >)> const&)        eh this doesn't look like fun to debug
2017-12-04T22:33:25 < zyp> this a closure?
2017-12-04T22:34:14 < zyp> hmm, no, sounds like the constructor of std::function
2017-12-04T22:34:27 < jpa-> i think it is trying to copy a closure or something
2017-12-04T22:34:43 < jpa-> i did forget a std::move() there, but not sure why the copy constructor started crashing
2017-12-04T22:34:57 < jpa-> __f_ = __f.__f_->__clone();    is the "source code"
2017-12-04T22:37:13 < jpa-> meh, i guess i'll just make random chances until the bug disappears
2017-12-04T22:38:12 < PaulFertser> Switch to rust ;)
2017-12-04T22:38:24 < jpa-> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/308818/32715201-90486460-c851-11e7-9f57-ba91bcf862a1.png
2017-12-04T22:38:59 < jpa-> but i would love to, if not for the inertia of established codebases :)
2017-12-04T22:39:00 < zyp> I think «switch to C» would be a better way to get rid of cryptic backtraces
2017-12-04T22:39:27 < zyp> assuming that were the only goal
2017-12-04T22:39:42 < jpa-> i would also love to optimize for a single goal :)
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2017-12-04T22:41:45 < jpa-> also, why doesn't gdb's extended remote work with openocd anymore :/
2017-12-04T22:41:52 < PaulFertser> jpa-: it does
2017-12-04T22:41:54 < jpa-> gdb 8, newest openocd from git
2017-12-04T22:42:17 < PaulFertser> jpa-: hm, gdb 8? Have a log?
2017-12-04T22:42:47 < jpa-> i can take one
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2017-12-04T22:47:18 < jpa-> PaulFertser: http://paste.dy.fi/2gj/plain
2017-12-04T22:47:37 < jpa-> with target remote :3334 it works normally
2017-12-04T22:48:43 < zyp> gdb log would probably be more useful with «set debug remote 1»
2017-12-04T22:48:51 < jpa-> ok
2017-12-04T22:49:25 < zyp> though, if it just never stops at a breakpoint, that's probably just going to show nothing coming from openocd
2017-12-04T22:49:30 < PaulFertser> jpa-: that's kinda similar to the known gdb bug that happens after "load".
2017-12-04T22:49:43 < PaulFertser> jpa-: have you tried "continue" at least once in the session?
2017-12-04T22:50:43 < PaulFertser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+bug/1594341 this one
2017-12-04T22:50:48 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/X0a/plain
2017-12-04T22:51:38 < jpa-> PaulFertser: thanks! using continue indeed makes it work
2017-12-04T22:52:08 < PaulFertser> jpa-: alas, gdb developers do not listen
2017-12-04T22:52:14 < jpa-> sounds normal
2017-12-04T22:52:30 < jpa-> thanks for the workaround though, thanks to karlp also :)
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2017-12-04T23:08:13 < zyp> hmm
2017-12-04T23:08:58 < zyp> if I'm reading it right, $c is continue and the T05 response comes when it hits the breakpoint
2017-12-04T23:09:33 < zyp> so gdb appears to get the response, query the register contents, and then just get stuck
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2017-12-05T00:05:55 < karlp> zyp: feel extreemely welcome to provide a patch
2017-12-05T00:06:13 < karlp> the odd thing is that it doesn't seem to affect everybody, even on thee same versions.
2017-12-05T00:06:31 < karlp> but yeah, it's screwy.  the target does halt, then gdb loses it's mind.
2017-12-05T00:06:42 < karlp> thankfully, the continue workaround has continued to workaround :|
2017-12-05T00:07:49 < zyp> well, I got tempted to look into it, but I don't really feel like setting up a reproducible setup
2017-12-05T00:08:11 < zyp> at least not tonight :)
2017-12-05T00:08:29 < karlp> well, it's not going anywhere, as you can see :)
2017-12-05T00:09:51 < zyp> what happens if you disconnect and reconnect after the continue workaround, do you need the workaround again?
2017-12-05T00:11:48 < karlp> yep
2017-12-05T00:12:09 < karlp> though, I haven't tested that as extensively.
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2017-12-05T03:49:24 < englishman> fucking hipster lineartech, too cool to put pin 1 markers
2017-12-05T03:50:54 < englishman> also allpcb is down
2017-12-05T03:50:56 < englishman> many rages
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2017-12-05T03:53:42 < branjb> i had an osc like that yesterday dfn, 4 pads, 0 markings
2017-12-05T03:54:24 < branjb> only way i knew how it was oriented was pulling it out of the package and hoping i didn't drop it
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2017-12-05T04:02:45 < englishman> lol crap these 14mm alu smt caps exploded in the oven
2017-12-05T04:02:50 < englishman> too close to the elements i guess
2017-12-05T04:05:36 < englishman> oh lolll
2017-12-05T04:05:42 < englishman> they arent rohs reflow rated
2017-12-05T04:05:50 < englishman> totally charging this guy extra
2017-12-05T04:05:51 < branjb> lol
2017-12-05T04:06:11 < branjb> do you run a fab out of your kitchen englishman?
2017-12-05T04:06:23 < englishman> out of my office actually
2017-12-05T04:06:39 < branjb> how profitable is that
2017-12-05T04:06:50 < englishman> not bad so far
2017-12-05T04:07:10 < branjb> interesting
2017-12-05T04:07:36 < englishman> i have one pretty big client that keeps me busy then 1-2 projects per week
2017-12-05T04:07:59 < branjb> is it just a side thing or do you do it full time?
2017-12-05T04:08:11 < englishman> been fulltime about a year
2017-12-05T04:08:17 < branjb> score
2017-12-05T04:08:47 < englishman> sure beats a realjob
2017-12-05T04:09:16 < branjb> someday i hope to attain employer free income
2017-12-05T04:09:37 < Rob235> i brokeded my site
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2017-12-05T04:18:03 < Laurenceb_> I reflow in the microwave
2017-12-05T04:18:16 < Laurenceb_> an easy way to get the boards to the correct temperature
2017-12-05T04:25:29 < branjb> in arizona you can reflow by putting your boards out in the sun for a few hours
2017-12-05T04:27:29 < Laurenceb_> in russia you reflow using nuclear waste
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2017-12-05T04:33:39 < branjb> anyone used that flir IR camera thing?
2017-12-05T04:35:36 < englishman> which
2017-12-05T04:35:43 < branjb> flir pro
2017-12-05T04:36:04 < branjb> or flir c2
2017-12-05T04:36:08 < englishman> the phoen thing?
2017-12-05T04:36:10 < branjb> budget thermal imaging
2017-12-05T04:36:11 < branjb> yeah
2017-12-05T04:36:16 < englishman> i think the jewish one is better
2017-12-05T04:36:22 < branjb> which one is that?
2017-12-05T04:36:24 < englishman> ask dongs for screencaps
2017-12-05T04:36:28 < Syke> In russia salmon reflows Your circuits
2017-12-05T04:36:40 < englishman> thermapp?
2017-12-05T04:36:49 < ds2> the one that goes on the phone?
2017-12-05T04:36:57 < MrMobius> in russia circuit reflow you
2017-12-05T04:38:20 < branjb> the video on the thermapp one looks better
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2017-12-05T05:05:08 < branjb> what about a good microscope?  is there any jewish tricks to finding a good microscope for cheap?
2017-12-05T05:05:20 < branjb> ebay seems to be full of garbage
2017-12-05T05:06:48 < MrMobius> ask englishman
2017-12-05T05:06:55 < MrMobius> he faps in his own kitchen he was saying
2017-12-05T05:07:35 < branjb> i see these 10x-300x chinese HDMI out microscopes but am suspicious
2017-12-05T05:08:09 < englishman> too much
2017-12-05T05:08:56 < englishman> mine is 6.7-45X with a 0.5X aux lens
2017-12-05T05:09:31 < englishman> do you want a cam attachment too?
2017-12-05T05:09:34 < branjb> no
2017-12-05T05:09:40 < englishman> lots available then
2017-12-05T05:09:47 < englishman> get a good stand
2017-12-05T05:09:56 < englishman> and a good LED light
2017-12-05T05:09:59 < branjb> I just want a good old fashioned stereo that has good Z height adjustment
2017-12-05T05:10:16 < branjb> and ya light
2017-12-05T05:12:55 < branjb> what about search terms?  microscope by itself returns too many results to filter, microscope + PCB or microscope + SMT is garbage too
2017-12-05T05:14:07 < englishman> dono
2017-12-05T05:14:07 < englishman> http://www.microscopenet.com/omax-67x45x-simalfocal-stereo-microscope-articulated-stand-with-light-90mp-camera-p-10273.html
2017-12-05T05:14:12 < englishman> i went here and got that
2017-12-05T05:14:20 < englishman> you can hit them up and ask questions to a human
2017-12-05T05:14:34 < englishman> http://www.microscopenet.com/auxiliary-objective-lens-stereo-microscope-d48mm-p-9276.html
2017-12-05T05:14:35 < englishman> and that
2017-12-05T05:15:19 < branjb> thx
2017-12-05T05:15:36 < englishman> definitely dont get any of their cameras
2017-12-05T05:23:36 < branjb> i don't see the point to a camera on a microscope
2017-12-05T05:24:25 < englishman> photos, blogs
2017-12-05T05:24:41 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXlJemfR4rA
2017-12-05T05:24:57 < branjb> haha
2017-12-05T05:25:10 < branjb> http://www.microscopenet.com/7x45x-zoom-trinocular-microscope-articulating-stand-with-dual-gooseneck-light-p-9624.html
2017-12-05T05:26:14 < branjb> analysis paralysis on all the different options/variants
2017-12-05T05:27:20 < aandrew> I've got an amscope trinocular
2017-12-05T05:27:28 < aandrew> cost me about $700 about 6 or 7 years ago
2017-12-05T05:27:43 < aandrew> best piece of equipment I've bought in a long time though especially with me in my 40s now and my eyes just not the same
2017-12-05T05:28:09 < aandrew> you don't need 300x for soldering
2017-12-05T05:28:42 < aandrew> mine is a 0.8-4.5x with 10x wide angle eyepieces
2017-12-05T05:28:52 < englishman> yeah mine stays at 3.35x most of the time
2017-12-05T05:28:55 < aandrew> and I'm teling you it's at 1x most of the time
2017-12-05T05:29:06 < aandrew> mind you I do go to 2-3x for 0201s
2017-12-05T05:29:21 < branjb> hmm
2017-12-05T05:29:32 < branjb> so 7x being min is not great?
2017-12-05T05:29:47 < englishman> no
2017-12-05T05:30:00 < englishman> you multiply eyepiece with the base mag
2017-12-05T05:30:20 < englishman> mine is .67 with 10x eyepieces so 6.7x minimum, then 0.5x barlow
2017-12-05T05:30:23 < branjb> oh gotcha
2017-12-05T05:30:26 < englishman> for 3.35
2017-12-05T05:30:40 < englishman> andrew's is8-45x nearly the same
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2017-12-05T05:31:02 < englishman> the 0.5x barlow gives me like 8" work space
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2017-12-05T05:32:39 < branjb> i love equipment on a boom
2017-12-05T05:33:24 < branjb> need to find a good boom for a monitor too
2017-12-05T05:37:12 < aandrew> at 4.5x an 0201 is pretty workable, or as workable as 0201 gets to a 41yo: https://imgur.com/NApHrkj
2017-12-05T05:37:27 < aandrew> those graduations are mm
2017-12-05T05:38:40 < aandrew> I keep looking at barlow, the only thing I really don't like about my specific scope is that it must sit fairly close to the work. a barlow would help that a lot
2017-12-05T05:45:54 < tpw_rules> how do you get your hands accurate that resolution
2017-12-05T05:47:53 < branjb> not chugging a pot of coffee
2017-12-05T05:49:15 < aandrew> tpw_rules: it's actually something that surprised me
2017-12-05T05:49:29 < aandrew> your have *much* better fine motor skills than you think you do
2017-12-05T05:49:33 < branjb> yeah
2017-12-05T05:49:35 < aandrew> the problem is closing the feedback loop
2017-12-05T05:49:49 < aandrew> increasing the resolution makes an incredible difference
2017-12-05T05:49:57 < branjb> it's much easier to make small movements when your iron tip is the size of your field of vision
2017-12-05T05:50:01 < aandrew> which is why I say that microscope is one of my best investments
2017-12-05T05:50:34 < tpw_rules> counterpoint: https://i.imgur.com/dKChOA9.jpg
2017-12-05T05:50:37 < aandrew> huh, SAMD51 serial ports have some nice RS485 features
2017-12-05T05:50:54 < aandrew> guard bits in addition to hte normal transmitter shift empty stuff
2017-12-05T05:51:48 < tpw_rules> that took me like half an hour
2017-12-05T05:52:03 < tpw_rules> in fairness it would help to get real smd tweezers. but i'm shaky
2017-12-05T05:53:15 < tpw_rules> also in fairness, it totally works!
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2017-12-05T08:30:16 < solrize> are samd51 boards available yet aandrew ?
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2017-12-05T10:08:40 < Fleck> good morning, have a nice & productive day everybody!
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2017-12-05T10:55:37 < Steffanx> I dont know what that is Fleck
2017-12-05T10:56:06 < Fleck> ok
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2017-12-05T10:56:48 < Steffanx> Hello welcome
2017-12-05T10:57:02 < stvn> ty
2017-12-05T10:57:42 < Steffanx> Back in the mental institution?
2017-12-05T10:57:58 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-05T10:58:14 < Steffanx> I dont mean ##stm32..
2017-12-05T10:58:27 < stvn> they used a tendies trap on me
2017-12-05T10:58:58 < stvn> how did you get here stffn
2017-12-05T11:00:08 < Steffanx> You madw me up.. im nor real
2017-12-05T11:00:23 < Steffanx> Made* not*
2017-12-05T11:00:28 < stvn> i see
2017-12-05T11:00:39 < stvn> i'm on the internet
2017-12-05T11:01:03 < Steffanx> You know what the internet is for, right?
2017-12-05T11:01:14 < stvn> no
2017-12-05T11:01:20 < Steffanx> Harry knows
2017-12-05T11:01:33 < stvn> laurence's brother?
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2017-12-05T11:02:34 < Steffanx> 🦆
2017-12-05T11:02:43 < stvn> duck duck
2017-12-05T11:04:52 < Steffanx> What time is it?
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2017-12-05T11:06:23 < stvn> 8pm
2017-12-05T11:21:21 < stvn> are you working today steffan?
2017-12-05T11:25:50 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWiJcfNUYTg ...
2017-12-05T11:26:39 < Fleck> ;p
2017-12-05T11:28:53 < stvn> ewww
2017-12-05T11:29:10 < stvn> that's a rather uncomfortable blend of aids and autism
2017-12-05T11:33:49 < Steffanx> Ya stvn. I am.
2017-12-05T11:34:23 < stvn> nice
2017-12-05T11:56:03 < karlp> aandrew: have you not used any of the usartv2 periphs on stm32s? you can programable guard times before and after, and automatic control of a rs485 transmitter enable pin, _on top_ of the basic interrupts on transmitter shift empty.
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2017-12-05T12:02:33 < tr0ubl3> Fleck: Yeah location
2017-12-05T12:03:39 < Fleck> tr0ubl3: sec
2017-12-05T12:04:16 < Fleck> tr0ubl3: https://www.google.lv/maps/@57.4039591,21.5885011,3a,75y,70.24h,87.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smCu3C10sOsBI_F9SSGmM2g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=lv
2017-12-05T12:05:53 < tr0ubl3> They have upgraded the street lamp :p
2017-12-05T12:05:59 < Fleck> :D
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2017-12-05T12:08:59 < Fleck> also in streetview that cam is not there yet
2017-12-05T12:09:18 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZ5PJB-w2s
2017-12-05T12:09:34 < tr0ubl3> Yeah I was trying to find it but couldnt see it
2017-12-05T12:10:22 < Fleck> it was here: https://www.google.lv/maps/@57.3904288,21.5738915,3a,15.4y,245.53h,121.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfJWBCBuD3kKgNzavRJsVbw!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=lv
2017-12-05T12:10:51 < Fleck> then they did this to that home: https://www.google.lv/maps/@57.390422,21.5738134,3a,75y,263.56h,123.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWw_LBhBkL3zQt5OR-x5b6A!2e0!5s20140801T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=lv
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2017-12-05T12:11:26 < tr0ubl3> New facade nice
2017-12-05T12:11:47 < tr0ubl3> What are the cameras for
2017-12-05T12:11:57 < Fleck> no clue
2017-12-05T12:12:25 < tr0ubl3> Who makes them available?
2017-12-05T12:12:32 < Fleck> my ex provider ;D
2017-12-05T12:13:47 < tr0ubl3> Oh so people just didnt secure them?
2017-12-05T12:13:59 < Fleck> they did, I made proxy :p
2017-12-05T12:14:12 < Fleck> cams are available only for they clients
2017-12-05T12:14:46 < tr0ubl3> Ah ok, I have never heard of an isp that does this
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2017-12-05T12:32:28  * karlp consumes the spice
2017-12-05T12:34:55 < stvn> hmmmm
2017-12-05T12:36:41 < zyp> the spice must flow
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2017-12-05T13:43:30 < szwetsloot> Hey guys. I have a custom board where I want to use PB11 (DDP line) as a GPIO. Does anyone know how I can tell the chip to use it with a different function? I am using the SAM4S8BA MCU.
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2017-12-05T13:55:10 < jpa-> is this ##sam4s?
2017-12-05T13:56:53 < Fleck> :D
2017-12-05T13:58:42 < dfgg> jpa-: this is an anime channel
2017-12-05T13:58:56 < jpa-> no
2017-12-05T13:58:59 < jpa-> that's one thing this is not
2017-12-05T13:59:00 < dfgg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD%3F
2017-12-05T14:03:00 < Fleck> ;p
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2017-12-05T14:21:44 < Laurenceb> >a rather uncomfortable blend of aids and autism
2017-12-05T14:21:49 < Laurenceb> new channel topic
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2017-12-05T14:50:03 < Fleck> imdb down?
2017-12-05T14:50:37 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.co.uk/search?dcr=0&ei=1pUmWsWeKMXpUt6XtIgH&q=bum+sex+fridays&oq=bum+sex+fridays&gs_l=psy-ab.3...7188.7188.0.7289.1.1.0.0.0.0.64.64.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.SsIiUpX39OA
2017-12-05T14:50:45 < Laurenceb> troll mumsnet instead
2017-12-05T14:51:46 < BrainDamage> do you espect anyone to click on a link with such url
2017-12-05T14:52:06 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2017-12-05T14:55:29 < Fleck> BrainDamage: talking to me?
2017-12-05T14:55:39 < Laurenceb> HAHAHAHA OMG dude your comment made me spit coffee all over my monitor and now the whole office is looking at like I'm crazy! Take an upvote my man!
2017-12-05T14:55:47 < Laurenceb> edit: So my boss came over to ask me what all the fuss is about, turns out he's a redditor too! Small world huh?
2017-12-05T14:56:07 < Laurenceb> edit: thanks for the gold! :D
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2017-12-05T15:30:03 < Laurenceb> http://research.nvidia.com/publication/2017-12_Unsupervised-Image-to-Image-Translation
2017-12-05T15:30:04 < Laurenceb> woah
2017-12-05T15:58:47 < c10ud> tbh it just looks like s/white/green and finding poles and covering them with leaves (or something green)
2017-12-05T16:01:22 < karlp> well, wima capacitors don't count then. they can't keep their website functional
2017-12-05T16:02:50 < jpa-> c10ud: the impressive part is it automatically learning the relations
2017-12-05T16:03:13 < jpa-> would be interesting to see the training set
2017-12-05T16:03:39 < c10ud> i remember seeing a video from some months (yrs?) ago, maybe even from nvidia, that was able to classify stuff on the road already
2017-12-05T16:03:55 < jpa-> .. sure, that is a completely different thing?
2017-12-05T16:04:22 < c10ud> not really? the road is transformed in some way, the sky in another..etc.
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2017-12-05T16:36:35 < Laurenceb> http://i.magaimg.net/img/21bb.jpg
2017-12-05T16:36:55 < Laurenceb> Allahu Akbarrier
2017-12-05T17:02:52 < kakimir> your street?
2017-12-05T17:03:05 < karlp> anyone want to guess what the distribution is for capacitors rated +- 10%?
2017-12-05T17:03:22 < karlp> talking bigger film X1/X2 caps here.
2017-12-05T17:03:50 < karlp> any ideas whether +-10% means 1,2,3 sigma?
2017-12-05T17:07:54 < aandrew> karlp: I've never worked with samd before
2017-12-05T17:08:17 < aandrew> I've got a d51 contract and am learning about it though which is why you see so much atmel chatter here
2017-12-05T17:08:58 < Steffanx> Microchip. Microchip aandrew
2017-12-05T17:09:02 < Steffanx> :P
2017-12-05T17:09:51 < aandrew> Steffanx: yeah... I know :-(
2017-12-05T17:11:18 < karlp> aandrew: no, I meant, all the newer stm32s have those features.
2017-12-05T17:11:54 < karlp> f3,f0,l0,l4,f7
2017-12-05T17:15:33 < aandrew> ah
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2017-12-05T17:18:07 < qyx> my app is stuck in the freertos xSemaphoreGiveFromISR
2017-12-05T17:19:34 < qyx> https://privatebin.net/?752ff59b63a14bda#QmsEFuHvx4d6YWgXBloPd8kCOQ9nKmrEB5ZiIvLdWbA=
2017-12-05T17:20:19 < qyx> any ideas?
2017-12-05T17:21:02 < qyx> it cycles at 8021154:       e7fe            b.n     8021154
2017-12-05T17:21:03 < qyx> hm
2017-12-05T17:21:31 < zyp> http://www.openstm32.org/forumthread2775
2017-12-05T17:22:12 < qyx> huh
2017-12-05T17:23:51 < kakimir> have you ever done modules that are so complex that you don't even know what you are doing?
2017-12-05T17:24:07 < kakimir> but you just keep working with intuition
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2017-12-05T17:37:08 < kakimir> I'm making the most complex hx711 ever done
2017-12-05T17:37:13 < kakimir> it can do anything
2017-12-05T17:37:21 < kakimir> *hx711 library
2017-12-05T17:39:57 < kakimir> I get some green color warnings in header that is weird
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2017-12-05T17:48:27 < kakimir> previous declaration of "function" was here
2017-12-05T17:48:43 < qyx> zyp: but actually thats not the case
2017-12-05T17:48:53 < qyx> the pointer is ok
2017-12-05T17:49:09 < qyx> apparently the interrupt priority is the thing which is wrong
2017-12-05T17:49:54 < kakimir> oh I have differences in declaration and definition
2017-12-05T17:51:19 < englishman> karlp: pretty sure they will hover around the -10% range
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2017-12-05T17:55:56 < karlp> englishman: that's kinda what I'm afraid of :)
2017-12-05T17:56:14 < englishman> watcha derating?
2017-12-05T17:56:25 < karlp> cap power supply shit.
2017-12-05T17:56:31 < karlp> stupid american low voltage bullshit
2017-12-05T17:56:41 < karlp> need a bigger cap, bigger cap don't fit.
2017-12-05T17:57:20 < karlp> designd part fits, but doens't have the safety ratings required,
2017-12-05T17:57:24 < englishman> time to produce "north american version" with ugly bulge in an otherwise nicely designed case
2017-12-05T17:57:36 < qyx> yep, it was that, systick interrupt must have higher priority than the exti
2017-12-05T17:58:07 < karlp> ah, will probably respin the board a bit, only need like 5mm in 2 directions, should be workable, but it was _meant_ to be a part swap on existing hardware,
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2017-12-05T18:31:35 < upgrdman> typical HaD user   https://hackaday.com/2017/12/04/kristin-paget-is-hacking-carrier-grade-lte-enodeb/
2017-12-05T18:32:30 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3afdbd66e7/62427.jpg
2017-12-05T18:32:39 < Laurenceb> not sure if grrrl
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2017-12-05T18:35:14 < englishman> laurent has a valid point
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2017-12-05T18:35:28 < englishman> i have been quite racist against laurence
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2017-12-05T18:35:45 < Laurenceb> I was b& over 6 gorillian times
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2017-12-05T18:45:42 < kakimir> englishman: it's okay
2017-12-05T18:54:39 < englishman> ?
2017-12-05T18:58:31 < kakimir> to do anything with laurence issue
2017-12-05T18:59:12 < kakimir> he follows no rules neather
2017-12-05T19:00:44 < Laurenceb> fuck the law
2017-12-05T19:03:10 < kakimir> how do I edit all intances of variable name at same time in eclipse?
2017-12-05T19:05:57 < tr0ubl3> find and replace?
2017-12-05T19:06:08 < Fleck> ;p
2017-12-05T19:07:59 < kakimir> I have seen youtub videos where editing one edits all of them
2017-12-05T19:09:32 < tr0ubl3> probably there is a refactor menu that can do it
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2017-12-05T19:24:36 < kakimir> okay refactoring.. thanks!
2017-12-05T19:27:19 < Fleck> hi kakimir!
2017-12-05T19:27:29 < kakimir> hello Fleck
2017-12-05T19:28:12 < Fleck> new project going on? :)
2017-12-05T19:32:04 < kakimir> old project
2017-12-05T19:36:15 < kakimir> does newlib-nano contain string.h stuff?
2017-12-05T19:38:18 < kakimir> I get implicit function declaration for strcmp
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2017-12-05T19:40:00 < kakimir> I think I need some symbol to know if strcmp is present in build so that it exludes optional function that uses it
2017-12-05T19:44:17 < karlp> just include #string.h or whatever it is
2017-12-05T19:44:23 < karlp> newlib-nano still has everything  you need
2017-12-05T19:44:35 < kakimir> wait
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2017-12-05T19:44:48 < kakimir> I forgot to include header in source
2017-12-05T19:45:19 < kakimir> oh.. I didn't
2017-12-05T19:46:24 < kakimir> okay.. I had included strings.h
2017-12-05T19:46:28 < kakimir> instead of string.h
2017-12-05T19:46:38 < kakimir> there was no error thought..
2017-12-05T19:46:43 < kakimir> *though
2017-12-05T19:52:34 < invzim> anyone tried accessing usb memory stick with code from cube?
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2017-12-05T20:42:23 < Laurenceb> how do I create a vector along the third dimension in matlab?
2017-12-05T20:47:10 < Cracki> see if matlab can do tensors
2017-12-05T20:47:28 < Cracki> the basic type is a 2d array (matrix), so maybe not
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2017-12-05T20:52:16  * Laurenceb is trying to write maxpool
2017-12-05T20:52:28 < Laurenceb> this is not going well
2017-12-05T20:54:40 < Cracki> matlab should have a toolbox for that
2017-12-05T20:54:44 < Cracki> it has them for everything
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2017-12-05T21:19:05 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb: like zeros([1 1 n])
2017-12-05T21:19:10 < tpw_rules> or maybe n 1 1
2017-12-05T21:19:12 < tpw_rules> matlab is cancer
2017-12-05T21:19:34 < tpw_rules> or just reshape an existing vector
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2017-12-05T21:31:53 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-12-05T21:31:58 < Laurenceb> now its out of memory
2017-12-05T21:31:59 < Laurenceb> grrr
2017-12-05T21:32:08 < Laurenceb> that seems very unlikely
2017-12-05T21:33:51 < Laurenceb> ok wut
2017-12-05T21:34:15 < Laurenceb> it has 128GB to play with
2017-12-05T21:34:30 < Laurenceb> 	matrixout=matrixin(kernelout,ind);
2017-12-05T21:34:49 < Laurenceb> kernelind size is  3600   x   9 x    96
2017-12-05T21:34:54 < Laurenceb> wtf is going on
2017-12-05T21:38:01 < Laurenceb> I'm so confused
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2017-12-05T22:03:50 < tpw_rules> did you clear your variables
2017-12-05T22:07:43 < invzim> cubecraptacular
2017-12-05T22:08:06 < invzim> sdio/w dma + fat is still broken, but different bugs than before
2017-12-05T22:09:12 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe thats a good idea...
2017-12-05T22:10:54 < tpw_rules> matlab is rly bad about memory fragmenting and doesn't have a garbage collector
2017-12-05T22:11:25 < tpw_rules> matlab is rly bad about memory fragmenting and doesn't have a garbage collector
2017-12-05T22:18:35 < Steffanx> i see we have a fan here.
2017-12-05T22:21:09 < Tectu> anyone of you guys in berlin?
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2017-12-05T22:21:53 < Cracki> I avoid berlin if at all possible
2017-12-05T22:22:21 < Tectu> heh
2017-12-05T22:29:34 < Steffanx>  Aachen on the other had is a bit too close to me, Cracki. Better move to berlin.
2017-12-05T22:30:37 < upgrdman> fucking triggered. why, ffs WHY do fluke dmm's have to use the same sounds for continuity mode as a typical radiation meter :(
2017-12-05T22:30:52 < upgrdman> its like indistinguishable.
2017-12-05T22:31:00 < sync> 0o
2017-12-05T22:31:06 < Cracki> and how would that sound?
2017-12-05T22:31:21 < upgrdman> Cracki, like a fluke dmm's continuity buzzer
2017-12-05T22:31:29  * Cracki asks youtube
2017-12-05T22:31:44 < Steffanx> Better tell us when you know it, Cracki
2017-12-05T22:31:45 < sync> I guess that is more or less the fault of the dosimeters
2017-12-05T22:31:55 < upgrdman> no joke, i wouldnt be surprised if the tone was within a couple kHz
2017-12-05T22:31:59 < upgrdman> ya
2017-12-05T22:32:04 < sync> well, obviously
2017-12-05T22:32:10 < sync> as they all use the same beepers
2017-12-05T22:32:16 < sync> and use the one that is cheapest
2017-12-05T22:32:16 < upgrdman> and the pulsing method is identical
2017-12-05T22:32:20 < BrainDamage> 'a couple of kHz' is a lot
2017-12-05T22:32:29 < BrainDamage> don't you mean Hz
2017-12-05T22:32:41 < upgrdman> hmm. i prolly mean a couple hundred hz
2017-12-05T22:32:49 < upgrdman> off my an order of mag... typical EE pro troll
2017-12-05T22:33:10 < Cracki> ah, the specific frequency eh?
2017-12-05T22:33:22 < upgrdman> freq and how its pulsed on/off
2017-12-05T22:33:36 < Cracki> within a couple khz? that diff is totally distinguishable
2017-12-05T22:33:54 < Cracki> pulsed? hm
2017-12-05T22:34:00 < upgrdman> damn near every time i use continuity mode my coworkers run over like "wtf, why is your office jizzing xrays bruh"
2017-12-05T22:34:15 < Cracki> i better ask (((you)))tube for radiation meter beeps
2017-12-05T22:34:35 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: that actually sounds like the perfect practical prank
2017-12-05T22:34:49 < BrainDamage> get a buzzer and wire to a micro to a random timer
2017-12-05T22:34:51 < upgrdman> if i had a tank hooked up i'd record a short video clip to show, but i dont
2017-12-05T22:35:03 < BrainDamage> then hide in a coworker's office
2017-12-05T22:35:03 < BrainDamage> then watch them shit themselves
2017-12-05T22:35:37 < Cracki> ah, the good kind of continuity that's instant, so you hear the scratching of the probe tips
2017-12-05T22:36:46 < Cracki> hmmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s99i0H-nBw4
2017-12-05T22:36:49 < Cracki> *pewpewpew*
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2017-12-06T02:35:04 < Laurenceb_> Millennials have been told their entire lives that their special and unique, so they seek to validate those beliefs by jumping at the chance to be weird. Likely because so few can actually achieve anything of significance on their own to get the attention they crave. This isn't a judgement, it's just the truth of the 99.99% who aren't celebrities and will always be useless eaters.
2017-12-06T02:35:21 < Laurenceb_> copypasta grammar failz
2017-12-06T02:36:05 < Laurenceb_> also a case of a projection copypasta
2017-12-06T02:50:35 < aandrew> that's not wrong
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2017-12-06T03:10:06 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redd.it/d14kaklmf6201.jpg
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2017-12-06T03:27:08 < Cracki> that's wrong
2017-12-06T03:28:09 < Cracki> also only works until belly doesn't show up
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2017-12-06T03:45:32 < upgrdman> dongs, https://imgur.com/gallery/wkz9B
2017-12-06T03:53:30 < jadew> "American Made" - ok movie
2017-12-06T04:20:45 < Cracki> nice garden
2017-12-06T04:25:36 < jadew> missed Laurenceb_'s link
2017-12-06T04:26:08 < jadew> that's not gonna work
2017-12-06T04:26:13 < jadew> unless you buy a couple
2017-12-06T04:26:37 < jadew> cuz he'll be like "you should take another one, just to be sure"
2017-12-06T04:26:52 < jadew> then he'll come back from the pharmacy with 5 more tests, from different brands
2017-12-06T04:27:01 < jadew> good luck faking that
2017-12-06T04:27:48 < jadew> also, there's pee on those sticks
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2017-12-06T05:59:13 < englishman> NASDAQ: AMD $9.91
2017-12-06T05:59:14 < englishman> lol
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2017-12-06T06:05:34 < aandrew> still way up over the year
2017-12-06T06:05:50 < aandrew> but yeah, been on a recent decline
2017-12-06T06:05:54 < aandrew> wonder why
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2017-12-06T06:08:40 < englishman> hype died down for all their new shit when people realized "it's good this time!" worked again
2017-12-06T06:09:30 < aandrew> what's wrong with ryzen? haven't tried threadripper yet though
2017-12-06T06:09:43 < aandrew> my ryzen system is pretty fucking amazing given the price and power use
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2017-12-06T06:56:30 < dongs> lol @ you for even owning something from AMD
2017-12-06T06:57:48 < aandrew> ok, what are common causes for an ARM suddenly not being able to be halted
2017-12-06T06:57:57 < dongs> you turned off jtag pins
2017-12-06T06:58:00 < aandrew> power cycled everything, disconnected from USB, etc.
2017-12-06T06:58:03 < aandrew> no
2017-12-06T06:58:20 < aandrew> it identifies perfectly
2017-12-06T06:58:28 < aandrew> just refuses to halt
2017-12-06T06:59:44 < MrMobius> you didt treat it with a firm enough hand and it got uppity
2017-12-06T06:59:47 < dongs> i finsihed routing shittyflasher 2.0 on the flight back
2017-12-06T07:01:15 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/MlFJa9W.png
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2017-12-06T07:04:25 < MrMobius> dongs, what in the hell lcd is that?
2017-12-06T07:04:34 < dongs> lol, the china 0.96 oled
2017-12-06T07:04:40 < dongs> standard stuff
2017-12-06T07:05:02 < MrMobius> hence the shitload of resistors
2017-12-06T07:05:02 < dongs> http://www.buydisplay.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/c577d1203d4a53d9f98182eb6081b1d6/0/_/0.96_inch_serial_128x64_oled_spi_i2c_graphic_display_module_blue_on_black.jpg etc
2017-12-06T07:05:05 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-06T07:05:08 < dongs> they're usually on breakout boards
2017-12-06T07:05:15 < dongs> but I bought a shitload of them raw from HK like 5 years ago
2017-12-06T07:05:18 < dongs> and still trying to use them all up
2017-12-06T07:05:35 < MrMobius> solid
2017-12-06T07:06:18 < aandrew> I like the ws2812b
2017-12-06T07:06:26 < dongs> no thats a regular 5050 rgb
2017-12-06T07:06:42 < dongs> (3d model is dongs)
2017-12-06T07:06:52 < aandrew> nice 3d model of the oled with flex
2017-12-06T07:06:56 < dongs> yep
2017-12-06T07:06:58 < dongs> i was surprised it existed
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2017-12-06T07:14:42 < aandrew> interwebs says bad clock config could do it
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2017-12-06T07:16:22 < dongs> ah yes
2017-12-06T07:16:29 < dongs> but you said it works?
2017-12-06T07:16:43 < aandrew> the device seems to work yes
2017-12-06T07:16:53 < dongs> and y ou can connect under reset?
2017-12-06T07:17:58 < dongs> is this STM?
2017-12-06T07:18:01 < dongs> did you forget VCAPs?
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2017-12-06T07:22:14 < aandrew> atsamd51
2017-12-06T07:22:23 < aandrew> the board is built, I've been fucking with it for a week
2017-12-06T07:22:24 < dongs> is your erase pin floating
2017-12-06T07:22:31 < aandrew> erase *pin* ?
2017-12-06T07:22:32 < dongs> PC0 or someshit
2017-12-06T07:22:33 < dongs> or PE0
2017-12-06T07:22:33 < dongs> yes
2017-12-06T07:22:39 < dongs> if its anything like samx
2017-12-06T07:22:43 < aandrew> there is no E0 on this
2017-12-06T07:23:05 < dongs> o wait, samd5, A5 stuff?
2017-12-06T07:23:30 < dongs> oh no, cortex. im stoned
2017-12-06T07:38:59 < branjb> with lwip do I need to call MX_LWIP_Process() explicitly?  all the examples are doing that but it seems like callbacks handle all the packet shit
2017-12-06T07:41:13 < dongs> it depends how you handle it
2017-12-06T07:41:18 < dongs> i think in a loop() scenario you do
2017-12-06T07:41:27 < dongs> but if you have a tick irq or something then you do it there
2017-12-06T07:41:43 < dongs> there should be a interrupt and poll based examples
2017-12-06T07:41:59 < branjb> my main is just while(1);
2017-12-06T07:42:06 < dongs> oh, fucking cube LWIP
2017-12-06T07:42:10 < dongs> ur on your fucking own
2017-12-06T07:42:12 < branjb> lol
2017-12-06T07:42:15 < dongs> cube lwip is some hacked up trash
2017-12-06T07:42:21 < branjb> rip
2017-12-06T07:46:08 < dongs> why do you care then?
2017-12-06T07:46:10 < dongs> does it work?
2017-12-06T07:46:33 < branjb> it works with and without it
2017-12-06T07:47:15 < branjb> but idk if it's doing some housekeeping shit that I need
2017-12-06T07:48:02 < branjb> it looks like a wrapper for a wrapper for a wrapper that ends up going into nested macros
2017-12-06T07:48:29 < branjb> i'll just leave it
2017-12-06T07:48:30 < branjb> w/e
2017-12-06T07:56:32 < dongs> < branjb> it looks like a wrapper for a wrapper for a wrapper < pretty much Cube
2017-12-06T07:56:53 < dongs> i have to do TSC on F302 soon
2017-12-06T07:56:56 < dongs> only cubelib available
2017-12-06T07:57:01 < branjb> TSC?
2017-12-06T07:57:04 < dongs> im just gonna write my own stdeprih-class driver for it
2017-12-06T07:57:05 < dongs> touchsense
2017-12-06T07:57:24 < dongs> steal cube trash and add the bits to RCC (if needed even, i think they might be there arleady)
2017-12-06T08:01:10 < dongs> wow im downloading from st.com at 11meg/sec
2017-12-06T08:01:12 < dongs> a miracle
2017-12-06T08:01:31 < dongs> cubemx downloads have always been like 10k/sec
2017-12-06T08:01:36 < dongs> and they would die 5 mins into it
2017-12-06T08:01:39 < dongs> with no way to resume
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2017-12-06T08:15:57 < dongs> LL driver still doesnt have TSC
2017-12-06T08:16:00 < dongs> i wonder why the fuck not
2017-12-06T08:16:03 < dongs> so weird
2017-12-06T08:16:26 < dongs> and: cubemx doesnt clean up after itself when it downloads new files
2017-12-06T08:16:37 < dongs> i just deleeted liek 5gb of ST trash from stb32cube\repository
2017-12-06T08:16:38 < dongs> wtf
2017-12-06T08:16:48 < invzim> AND it generates a crapload of .tmp files in your source tree
2017-12-06T08:16:56 < dongs> does it?
2017-12-06T08:17:00 < dongs> like when you regen a project?
2017-12-06T08:17:05 < invzim> yes
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2017-12-06T08:17:30 < dongs> thankfully i never had that problem
2017-12-06T08:17:38 < invzim> I have a cube folder, with a .gitignore that catches everything except the project file
2017-12-06T08:17:39 < dongs> since i never use it for actually generating project
2017-12-06T08:17:42 < dongs> haha
2017-12-06T08:17:51 < invzim> and an eclipse folder where everything useful is copied over
2017-12-06T08:18:15 < invzim> I also use a 'cube-generated' folder within the eclipse project
2017-12-06T08:18:23 < invzim> PITA but works
2017-12-06T08:18:43 < dongs> so japs called me today (1 month anniversary of me trying to order 8700) and said they're shipping me a 8700k instead cuz they still have no idea when non-K is in stock :(
2017-12-06T08:19:18 < invzim> if ST could cut the number of demo/eval boards in half, and use that money on software instead...
2017-12-06T08:20:55 < dongs> now my cube repository is only 5gb
2017-12-06T08:20:58 < invzim> hm, having a really detailed BOM may not be all good in all situations
2017-12-06T08:20:59 < dongs> ~6gb deleted
2017-12-06T08:21:27 < invzim> before I used altium my BOM was crap, and pcbcart sent me a list of parts they could source easily and cheaply
2017-12-06T08:22:03 < dongs> how is that any different with altium
2017-12-06T08:22:26 < invzim> now pcbWAY asks me if it's ok to substitute 0.1uf 0603 with a slightly different model number from same manu - leading me to believe they just punched everything into digikey or whatever
2017-12-06T08:22:41 < dongs> why would you have part numbers in your bom from altium
2017-12-06T08:22:43 < invzim> yeah, I could pretend to be 'blonde'
2017-12-06T08:22:45 < dongs> did you not make all your own components?
2017-12-06T08:22:57 < dongs> are you using that supplier list shite they have enabled?
2017-12-06T08:23:01 < invzim> oh yah
2017-12-06T08:23:03 < invzim> luv it
2017-12-06T08:23:04 < dongs> haha, rip
2017-12-06T08:23:07 < dongs> useless as fuk
2017-12-06T08:31:14 < englishman> some guys are giving me projects like that
2017-12-06T08:31:33 < englishman> with ex. 5% and 1% resistors of same value
2017-12-06T08:31:39 < dongs> lol
2017-12-06T08:31:50 < dongs> i dont even mark resistor %
2017-12-06T08:31:52 < dongs> its alwys just 1%
2017-12-06T08:32:00 < dongs> cuz why the fuck would it be anythign else
2017-12-06T08:32:08 < dongs> when a reel is $3 whyt the fuck bother
2017-12-06T08:32:18 < englishman> I said, I can charge you for engineering to fix your bom, or charge you for the extra part to buy and place
2017-12-06T08:32:54 < dongs> catch-22
2017-12-06T08:33:00 < englishman> specified 204r to drive led
2017-12-06T08:33:09 < dongs> ahah
2017-12-06T08:33:31 < dongs> and have 200R elsewehre on board, right?
2017-12-06T08:33:45 < englishman> there were 120 lines abmnd
2017-12-06T08:33:54 < englishman> and like 70 were resistors
2017-12-06T08:34:18 < dongs> aandrew: wahts your favorite 3.3V buckboost for ~1A max
2017-12-06T08:42:45 < dongs> nvm ill just reuse TPS63001
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2017-12-06T09:50:21 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/OibvdOK.jpg do you guys think thats a dual fet
2017-12-06T09:50:21 < dongs> the way its hooked up?
2017-12-06T09:50:47 < dongs> i would think its a DC/DC but the fuck is up with all those pins being shorted
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2017-12-06T09:57:52 < stvn> hello welcome;
2017-12-06T09:58:02 < dongs> stvn, got a china board for you
2017-12-06T09:58:08 < dongs> < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/OibvdOK.jpg
2017-12-06T09:58:12 < dongs> any gueses on the part?
2017-12-06T10:00:48 < stvn> looks like a switcher
2017-12-06T10:01:08 < dongs> thats what i thoguht at first
2017-12-06T10:01:15 < dongs> until you notice 5V to USB is from a pin directly
2017-12-06T10:01:22 < dongs> if thats a switcher how does that work
2017-12-06T10:01:26 < dongs> plus 5V pin is thin as fuck
2017-12-06T10:01:35 < stvn> yeah well thats it
2017-12-06T10:02:33 < stvn> maybe it functions as a fuse lol
2017-12-06T10:02:42 < dongs> haha
2017-12-06T10:03:32 < stvn> seems there is a new silicon manufacturer every month
2017-12-06T10:03:34 < dongs> oh hm
2017-12-06T10:03:37 < dongs> i got an idea
2017-12-06T10:03:40 < dongs> its the fb pin
2017-12-06T10:03:45 < dongs> the real 5V from coil+cap is on tehbottom
2017-12-06T10:05:33 < stvn> what do these clowns want you to do about it?
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2017-12-06T10:05:59 < jadew> reverse engineer it and make an even cheaper one
2017-12-06T10:06:05 < dongs> nigger fucking please
2017-12-06T10:06:09 < dongs> that board is already cheap as fuck
2017-12-06T10:06:15 < dongs> you can tell by those gross wirewound unshielded inductors
2017-12-06T10:06:17 < dongs> chinaspecial
2017-12-06T10:06:40 < stvn> yeah they don't get cheaper
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2017-12-06T10:11:43 < Steffanx> Welcome stvn
2017-12-06T10:11:54 < stvn> hi steffan
2017-12-06T10:12:26 < Steffanx> Hows innovation?
2017-12-06T10:12:33 < stvn> great
2017-12-06T10:13:23 < Steffanx> Good. Will the djs be happy?
2017-12-06T10:13:40 < stvn> if they like centrifuge plants? id?
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2017-12-06T10:14:08 < Steffanx> Hah
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2017-12-06T10:14:40 < stvn> i can enrich the DU from chinese LED lighting products
2017-12-06T10:16:05 < englishman> dongs: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rxcgN0aG/image.png
2017-12-06T10:17:10 < stvn> welcome back englishman
2017-12-06T10:17:15 < englishman> hi fujin lol
2017-12-06T10:17:20 < englishman> si stvn
2017-12-06T10:17:26 < stvn> o,O
2017-12-06T10:17:29 < englishman> I never left
2017-12-06T10:17:41 < stvn> usotsuke!
2017-12-06T10:17:58 < fujin> ohai
2017-12-06T10:18:05 < stvn> gooday cunt
2017-12-06T10:18:05 < dongs> englishman: wahts that facebook shit from
2017-12-06T10:18:08 < dongs> some garbage kickstarter?
2017-12-06T10:18:12 < fujin> yare yare
2017-12-06T10:18:28 < englishman> raceflight of course
2017-12-06T10:18:42 < dongs> oh wat lol
2017-12-06T10:19:04 < dongs> im out of hte loop, did someone takeoff with all the money and die or somethign
2017-12-06T10:19:18 < englishman> what did you expect from a floor tile salesman
2017-12-06T10:19:21 < dongs> haha program raceflight full time
2017-12-06T10:19:30 < stvn> hmm
2017-12-06T10:19:50 < dongs> link to shithub
2017-12-06T10:19:53 < dongs> so i can see how much shit is stolen
2017-12-06T10:19:58 < fujin> https://github.com/rs2k/RaceFlight-One
2017-12-06T10:20:16 < fujin> https://github.com/betaflight/betaflight/commit/a5f0999c267c4d255ec11648a072102e33b80bca / https://github.com/rs2k/RaceFlight-One/commit/e77f6fd986379c66da17c9af2648388455d68089 was spotted earlier
2017-12-06T10:20:24 < fujin> I have not performed in-depth analysis by any means
2017-12-06T10:20:34 < stvn>  GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3, 29 June 2007
2017-12-06T10:20:36 < stvn> lol
2017-12-06T10:21:38 < fujin> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SejuO1EZ/image.png
2017-12-06T10:22:19 < dongs> retards gonna retard
2017-12-06T10:22:31 < dongs> all this over what is basically a gyro flight controller
2017-12-06T10:22:43 < dongs> with code stealing dating back to multiwii
2017-12-06T10:22:45 < fujin> revo with a diff gyro hehe
2017-12-06T10:23:01 < fujin> rtfq/witespy claimed they are the fab house for rf gear too
2017-12-06T10:23:13 < englishman> even worse
2017-12-06T10:23:20 < jadew> they got the GPL virus lol
2017-12-06T10:23:29 < englishman> actually can't get worse
2017-12-06T10:23:30 < dongs> lol @ witespy claiming to "fab" anything
2017-12-06T10:23:38 < dongs> is he still around
2017-12-06T10:23:43 < dongs> peddling aliexpress shit enmasse
2017-12-06T10:23:48 < stvn> lol
2017-12-06T10:24:01 < stvn> the 'cummunity'
2017-12-06T10:24:08 < englishman> hard to move out of moms attic once you start an online biz there
2017-12-06T10:25:11 < stvn> muh games
2017-12-06T10:26:01 < dongs> damn, some ugly code everywehre
2017-12-06T10:26:08 < dongs> i guess those guys never heard of indenting or coding style
2017-12-06T10:26:26 < dongs> memset(fwInfo.data, 0, HID_EPOUT_SIZE-1); //fw
2017-12-06T10:26:26 < dongs> memcpy( &command_packet[0], tOutBuffer, HID_EPOUT_SIZE-1 ); //capture outbuffer
2017-12-06T10:26:30 < dongs> gotta love the consistency with () spacing here
2017-12-06T10:27:15 < dongs> ewwlo, using HAL
2017-12-06T10:28:01 < dongs> oh this is some original shit, not hydraflight based
2017-12-06T10:28:49 < dongs> k wahtever shithub closed
2017-12-06T10:29:25 < dongs> is kalyn = rs2k or waht
2017-12-06T10:29:30 < dongs> i dont know any of these faggots by name
2017-12-06T10:29:49 < fujin> ya
2017-12-06T10:32:32 < dongs> cloners get what's coming to them
2017-12-06T10:33:15 < stvn> fucking shit
2017-12-06T10:36:18 < srk> heh, I have rtfhawk from whitespy as I couldn't order from 3d robotics at that time due to export restrictions
2017-12-06T10:36:31 < dongs> clonehawk
2017-12-06T10:36:42 < srk> y
2017-12-06T10:36:44 < dongs> isnt 3d dongbotics dead now
2017-12-06T10:36:52 < srk> some clones actually improve on pixhawk
2017-12-06T10:37:04 < srk> by mounting IMU on foam pad for added isolation
2017-12-06T10:37:20 < srk> 3d dongbotics are doing some selfie shit now
2017-12-06T10:37:30 < srk> 3d selfiebotics
2017-12-06T10:37:39 < dongs> gotta do what sells
2017-12-06T10:37:45 < dongs> who teh fuck does quadcopters anymore anyawy
2017-12-06T10:37:55 < srk> lots a people
2017-12-06T10:37:56 < dongs> anyone who wants a shitcopter goes to bestbuy and gets some plastic chinese shit
2017-12-06T10:37:58 < dongs> no?
2017-12-06T10:38:18 < srk> yeah, but UAV is something different
2017-12-06T10:38:27 < srk> not a toy selfiecopter anymore
2017-12-06T10:39:25 < englishman> yeah you can attach grenades to them and drop them on white people in Syria
2017-12-06T10:39:46 < srk> https://wiki.base48.cz/Basequad
2017-12-06T10:40:10 < srk> this is my attempt at doing something useful with a quad :)
2017-12-06T10:40:21 < dongs> > raspberrypi
2017-12-06T10:40:23 < dongs> page closef
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2017-12-06T10:40:32 < srk> aw :)
2017-12-06T10:40:40 < srk> what's the deal with rpi?
2017-12-06T10:40:46 < stvn> fucking hell
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2017-12-06T11:11:35 < Steffanx> Srk. Tip of the day: Never ask dongs to substantiate his claims
2017-12-06T11:11:47 < zyp> haha
2017-12-06T11:11:50 < srk> :))
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2017-12-06T11:17:01 < jadew> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eevblog/eevblog-121gw-multimeter/
2017-12-06T11:17:07 < jadew> did you guys know about this?
2017-12-06T11:19:36 < invzim> saw it, I'm sure they will sell a lot over time
2017-12-06T11:20:12 < jadew> yeah, it looks like a good meter
2017-12-06T11:20:43 < jadew> and resonably open, which is not something common
2017-12-06T11:26:39 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eevblog/eevblog-121gw-multimeter rip eevblog
2017-12-06T11:26:43 < ohsix> fffffffff
2017-12-06T11:26:45 < ohsix> hahah
2017-12-06T11:26:54 < ohsix> jadew literally just posted the same thing
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2017-12-06T11:27:35 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, just found out about it
2017-12-06T11:27:43 < jadew> seems a bit expensive
2017-12-06T11:28:15 < jadew> I mean, the kickstarter price is a promotional price
2017-12-06T11:28:22 < ohsix> it has an stm32 in it and it is built with hacking intended
2017-12-06T11:29:26 < jadew> not saying the pricing isn't fair, it just seems a bit expensive
2017-12-06T11:30:02 < jadew> in that price range most of the handheld DMM market is open to you
2017-12-06T11:30:14 < zyp> maybe they'll actually deliver then
2017-12-06T11:30:22 < jadew> heh
2017-12-06T11:30:43 < dongs>  jadew> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eevblog/eevblog-121gw-multimeter/
2017-12-06T11:30:43 < jadew> that's a project that can't fail
2017-12-06T11:30:44 < dongs> mothercuker.
2017-12-06T11:30:46 < jadew> he has a lot of fans
2017-12-06T11:30:49 < dongs> eevbeg reselling aliexpress?
2017-12-06T11:30:51 < dongs> what a fucking faggot
2017-12-06T11:30:59 < jadew> dongs, own design
2017-12-06T11:31:03 < dongs> get fucked
2017-12-06T11:31:10 < dongs> he hasn't done EE in over 20 years
2017-12-06T11:31:14 < dongs> thats a chinasale
2017-12-06T11:31:21 < jadew> in conjunction UEI
2017-12-06T11:32:04 < jadew> they probably started from a UEI design and tweaked that
2017-12-06T11:32:13 < dongs> boring hten
2017-12-06T11:32:33 < jadew> but it seems very capable
2017-12-06T11:32:44 < dongs> sorry, not for $250 AUD
2017-12-06T11:32:48 < dongs> i'll stick to my fluke67
2017-12-06T11:32:59 < dongs> i mean, its a fucking multimeter
2017-12-06T11:33:01 < dongs> theres nothing on it
2017-12-06T11:33:04 < jadew> yeah, that's what I'm thinking, you have way too many options in that price range
2017-12-06T11:33:08 < jadew> but he has his popularity on his side
2017-12-06T11:33:23 < dongs> i mean its literally just a fucking multimeter, nothing even advanced there
2017-12-06T11:33:32 < jadew> has bluetooth
2017-12-06T11:33:35 < dongs> who cares
2017-12-06T11:33:39 < dongs> has stlink
2017-12-06T11:33:40 < dongs> who cares
2017-12-06T11:33:42 < dongs> has cortexd m3
2017-12-06T11:33:45 < dongs> who cares
2017-12-06T11:33:47 < jadew> yeah, I agree
2017-12-06T11:33:51 < dongs> none of those features are something i need in a multimeter
2017-12-06T11:34:01 < jadew> the 15V diode thing is nice
2017-12-06T11:34:53 < jadew> I'm not even using my handhelds anymore
2017-12-06T11:35:29 < jadew> I only take them out of the drawer to see how much they have drifted
2017-12-06T11:37:17 < dongs> why?
2017-12-06T11:37:22 < dongs> i use my fluke a lot to measuer random stuff
2017-12-06T11:37:27 < dongs> especially now that I have proper probes for it
2017-12-06T11:37:31 < dongs> the PROBEMASTER stuff
2017-12-06T11:37:37 < jadew> why I don't take them out or why I measure them?
2017-12-06T11:37:47 < dongs> no, why arent you using a multimeter
2017-12-06T11:37:49 < jadew> I don't take them out cuz the bench meter is always there
2017-12-06T11:37:52 < dongs> i dont give a fuck why you autism over shit
2017-12-06T11:38:28 < dongs> bench meter is too big
2017-12-06T11:38:40 < jadew> well, it's already on the bench and I don't move much
2017-12-06T11:38:41 < dongs> i only put mine on the bench when i need to measure nA current or something
2017-12-06T11:38:52 < jadew> if I work on another bench I take the handheld one, but that doesn't happen often
2017-12-06T11:40:39 < jadew> dongs, another selling point of EEVBlog one is the nA range
2017-12-06T11:40:45 < jadew> has 1 nA resolution
2017-12-06T11:40:59 < dongs> doubtful
2017-12-06T11:41:13 < dongs> anyawy, i am not helping that faggot get rich quick
2017-12-06T11:41:17 < jadew> that's what he says
2017-12-06T11:41:18 < jadew> haha
2017-12-06T11:41:22 < dongs> he can beg other MAKE:R faggots for money
2017-12-06T11:42:38 < jadew> if I'd be in the market for a meter I'd probably consider it, but I'd rather get a keysight one or from someone more reputable
2017-12-06T11:42:52 < dongs> yeah, i dont want a "hackable" multimeter
2017-12-06T11:42:54 < dongs> i want one that fuckign works
2017-12-06T11:42:59 < dongs> not some autistic half-assed shit
2017-12-06T11:50:03 < srk> benchtop meter recommendations?
2017-12-06T11:51:49 < jadew> keithley
2017-12-06T11:52:16 < srk> lol
2017-12-06T11:52:29 < jadew> srk, depends on how much you want to spend
2017-12-06T11:52:33 < jadew> and if you want it new or not
2017-12-06T11:52:38  * srk clicks madly near 'gifts for her ->' on ebay
2017-12-06T11:52:46 < srk> trying to search for fluke
2017-12-06T11:52:53 < srk> yeah
2017-12-06T11:53:04 < srk> I've actually thought about that
2017-12-06T11:53:12 < jadew> about stealing a meter?
2017-12-06T11:53:20 < srk> like if there was a decent scope in store
2017-12-06T11:53:31 < srk> like few Ghz something
2017-12-06T11:53:34 < srk> :D
2017-12-06T11:54:10 < jadew> srk, I think the new keithley meters are awesome
2017-12-06T11:54:32 < jadew> https://www.tek.com/tektronix-and-keithley-digital-multimeter/dmm7510
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2017-12-06T11:54:35 < srk> thanks, will check
2017-12-06T11:54:45 < jadew> but they're not cheap
2017-12-06T11:56:43 < jadew> lol
2017-12-06T11:56:51 < jadew> where's that from?
2017-12-06T11:57:54 < srk> sad
2017-12-06T12:00:10 < srk> I could use $5000 of equip. will take few years to amass that
2017-12-06T12:00:48 < dongs> yes
2017-12-06T12:00:49 < dongs> < crt> >the best part about amassing $50,000 of test equipment is not using it
2017-12-06T12:00:50 < dongs> < crt> >it's telling everybody online that i own it
2017-12-06T12:00:52 < dongs> lol!
2017-12-06T12:00:59 < dongs> sounds like eevbeg right there
2017-12-06T12:01:17 < jadew> lol
2017-12-06T12:03:01 < srk> metrology-grade instrumentation
2017-12-06T12:03:06 < srk> oh yeah, do want
2017-12-06T12:03:24 < karlp> metrology grade is a scam
2017-12-06T12:03:29 < srk> :D
2017-12-06T12:04:40 < jadew> seems like a relative term anyway
2017-12-06T12:05:27 < srk> hm, TDS2000C would be nice
2017-12-06T12:05:40 < srk> we have TDS1001B here
2017-12-06T12:06:08 < jadew> isn't that the one with the 10k memory?
2017-12-06T12:06:21 < jadew> it can store like... half a wave lol
2017-12-06T12:06:51 < jadew> you know who's lab I envy?
2017-12-06T12:07:09 < jadew> the guy's from the signal path
2017-12-06T12:07:39 < jadew> his lab is probably worth $500 k
2017-12-06T12:07:52 < jadew> (if not more)
2017-12-06T12:15:11 < dongs> does he do anythign with it
2017-12-06T12:15:23 < jadew> yeah, he works at Bell Labs
2017-12-06T12:15:29 < jadew> designs RF ICs
2017-12-06T12:15:42 < dongs> whyt the fuck is he on jewtube then
2017-12-06T12:16:03 < dongs> the only people on jewtube are jobless fucks like eevbeg
2017-12-06T12:16:15 < dongs> why would someone wiht a stable job at a reputable company be vlogging
2017-12-06T12:16:18 < jadew> initially he did it for the community, no adds or anything
2017-12-06T12:16:52 < jadew> but I think he's earning from it now
2017-12-06T12:17:43 < dongs> great
2017-12-06T12:17:46 < dongs> another jewtub link ill never cilck
2017-12-06T12:20:08 < jadew> patreon has ruined a lot of channels
2017-12-06T12:20:12  * invzim happy with his sdm3055 BENCH meter :)
2017-12-06T12:20:35 < karlp> jadew: ruined how?
2017-12-06T12:21:11 < jadew> karlp, some of them stopped posting content on youtube and instead they only make them available to patreon supporters
2017-12-06T12:21:40 < jadew> others just seem to pump content out to keep the supporters happy
2017-12-06T12:21:49 < jadew> like.. the quality is lower
2017-12-06T12:22:29 < jadew> invzim, I considered that meter when I was looking to buy one
2017-12-06T12:23:40 < jadew> invzim, what made you choose that one over the rigol?
2017-12-06T12:24:15 < invzim> the display
2017-12-06T12:24:45 < jadew> it does look nice
2017-12-06T12:25:34 < jadew> mine has a VFD and it's not that great
2017-12-06T12:25:38 < invzim> Got the SDG2042X earlier, and was happy with it so trust the brand kind of
2017-12-06T12:29:19 < jadew> I wish it was possible to turn off leading 0s on mine
2017-12-06T12:29:48 < jadew> instead of showing 0.something mV, it shows 000.
2017-12-06T12:31:59 < daey> i like that siglent actually send an update to increase the display refresh rate
2017-12-06T12:33:16 < daey> then again i wonder how that shit even made it passed the quality department in the first place :P
2017-12-06T12:33:35 < daey> past
2017-12-06T12:34:06 < tomeaton17> yeah patreon is cancer agreed
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2017-12-06T13:33:49 < karlp> any idea what would cause this? https://zerobin.net/?24bd13029b38aa61#wB7ZG/ub463lRelxPHdpPBr3pb1tcVMFgU8CZixfQLM=
2017-12-06T13:34:04 < karlp> I guess it could just be tool bugs, but seems weird.
2017-12-06T13:35:13 < jadew> where are those values coming from?
2017-12-06T13:35:19 < jadew> serial connection issue?
2017-12-06T13:35:28 < karlp> swo trace
2017-12-06T13:35:35 < karlp> no overflows flagged,
2017-12-06T13:39:33 < jpa-> karlp: always the same strange value?
2017-12-06T13:39:50 < qyx> karlp: btw that zerobin/privatebin is cool
2017-12-06T13:40:27 < jpa-> the lowest byte being 0x1F sounds like it might be decoding error
2017-12-06T13:41:28 < jpa-> (because it matches the 31 from other values)
2017-12-06T13:41:39 < dongs> whats so cool about it
2017-12-06T13:41:47 < dongs> looks like another shitty paste site
2017-12-06T13:41:51 < dongs> bcas.tv/paste is even better
2017-12-06T13:42:12 < dongs> i thought cyccnt was 24 bit?
2017-12-06T13:42:27 < qyx> dongs: super pro encryption on the browser side
2017-12-06T13:42:31 < dongs> wat
2017-12-06T13:42:40 < jpa-> decrypts using javascript
2017-12-06T13:42:40 < qyx> and the key is in the url
2017-12-06T13:43:31 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/KGxqs.gif
2017-12-06T13:44:00 < srk> lol
2017-12-06T13:44:26 < jpa-> karlp: if you have binary data of that SWO stream i can see what my custom tool says about it :P
2017-12-06T13:45:21 < karlp> jpa-: yeahm, looks like maybe stlink bugs.
2017-12-06T13:45:35 < karlp> used another decoder on the source, and yeah, seeing 0x1f in the low byte there too occasioanlly.
2017-12-06T13:46:36 < karlp> https://zerobin.net/?98d42b83a515eeee#ikeRP3iiFmWMCXurDmANYhTAOGDEBohauTbikrVFVDQ=
2017-12-06T13:46:42 < karlp> bit annoying.
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2017-12-06T13:46:56 < karlp> haven't normally seen bad data without overflows being recorded
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2017-12-06T13:48:39 < dongs>  Linux Journal shuts down, all old editions available to download on site
2017-12-06T13:48:39 < dongs> lol
2017-12-06T13:48:43 < dongs> news4nerds
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2017-12-06T13:57:42 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/OQEAHgb.png
2017-12-06T13:57:51 < aandrew> that's the kind of poetry I can get in to
2017-12-06T13:58:49 < tomeaton17> I have a feeling that doesnt happen to many people :p
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2017-12-06T14:00:00 < aandrew> especially when you don't have tinder
2017-12-06T14:00:08 < aandrew> I get nothing like that on grindr :-(
2017-12-06T14:00:21 < dongs> thats cuz you dont look gay enough
2017-12-06T14:00:32 < tomeaton17> Hahaha I dont like tinder they dont appreciate nice guys on there
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2017-12-06T14:10:53 < aandrew> women be cray cray
2017-12-06T14:11:15 < aandrew> wife says this week "don't get me coffee, i'm doing some frou-frou new-age detox bullshit" ok no problem
2017-12-06T14:11:23 < aandrew> today I buy a coffee on my way to work
2017-12-06T14:11:30 < aandrew> get to work, get a text "did you get me coffee?"
2017-12-06T14:11:38 < aandrew> "No, you told me not to get you coffee this week"
2017-12-06T14:11:42 < aandrew> "but you got one for yourself"
2017-12-06T14:11:46 < aandrew> "yes"
2017-12-06T14:11:49 < aandrew> "You should have asked"
2017-12-06T14:11:50  * karlp laughs
2017-12-06T14:12:50 < tomeaton17> women eh
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2017-12-06T14:13:35 < aandrew> https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg
2017-12-06T14:13:36 < aandrew> mfw
2017-12-06T14:13:37 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/e36GlOD.jpg
2017-12-06T14:13:45 < tomeaton17> I have to go and feed my gfs cat because her roommate is being so bitchy she wont do it unless she is paid 20 quid for 2 days of feeding lol
2017-12-06T14:14:04 < aandrew> dongs your wife has a nice ass
2017-12-06T14:14:12 < aandrew> also I think your house is flooded
2017-12-06T14:14:32 < tomeaton17> Also I think your wife might not be real
2017-12-06T14:14:39 < Steffanx> The c preprocessor isnt smart enough to do something like FILL_ARRAY(5, some value) to give me an array with 5 times "some value" right?
2017-12-06T14:14:44 < aandrew> it's japan, we already know she's a pillow
2017-12-06T14:14:50 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJwqbh-tTbM :D
2017-12-06T14:15:19 < aandrew> tomeaton17: it's a cat. if you don't feed it it will just end up eating your gf's roomate's face
2017-12-06T14:15:31 < aandrew> I say don't feed it and let the rommate learn a lesson
2017-12-06T14:15:53 < tomeaton17> yeah and this cat its aggressive af so thats a good idea
2017-12-06T14:16:01 < aandrew> I always appreciated that about cats. they don't really need you to do anything for them, but you would prefer to do things for them
2017-12-06T14:16:10 < Steffanx> How many ways to write "roommate" do you have aandrew :P
2017-12-06T14:16:21 < tomeaton17> and the gf wouldnt even be mad because she doesnt like her lol
2017-12-06T14:16:22 < aandrew> don't clean the litter box? it'll shit in your bed. don't feed it? houseplants will be stripped
2017-12-06T14:16:29 < aandrew> Steffanx: what?
2017-12-06T14:16:37 < aandrew> oh fuck
2017-12-06T14:16:40 < tomeaton17> Anyway I must go and feed the cat so bbl
2017-12-06T14:16:46 < aandrew> can't type that word
2017-12-06T14:16:59 < Steffanx> Roomate, rommate.. sorry, just making fun of your typos
2017-12-06T14:17:03 < aandrew> it's like every fucking time I have to write serve I have to actually type server + backspace
2017-12-06T14:17:12 < aandrew> yeah I can't type that word for shit
2017-12-06T14:17:29 < aandrew> I don't know why I can't write roommate correctly though
2017-12-06T14:17:36 < Steffanx> Hah.
2017-12-06T14:18:15 < Steffanx> I still like the entire room mate thing. Something that is very uncommon here. Except when youre a student
2017-12-06T14:20:03 < Steffanx> And then its more a house mate, with just a shared kitchen and bathroom
2017-12-06T14:20:23 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/oRxfqZg.jpg
2017-12-06T14:20:55 < aandrew> nice stm32 render
2017-12-06T14:21:17 < Steffanx> Not sure what im looking at
2017-12-06T14:21:19 < zyp> Steffanx, isn't it like that everywhere?
2017-12-06T14:21:32 < aandrew> clearly the hoverpolice station at the top of mt fuji
2017-12-06T14:24:13 < karlp> dongs: nice light there
2017-12-06T14:24:22 < karlp> in the one with the woman walking up the stairs
2017-12-06T14:25:01 < karlp> ok. so.
2017-12-06T14:25:15 < karlp> eeprom program on l1 can only do word sizes if you want to automatically erase properly.
2017-12-06T14:25:42 < karlp> so... tip for new players, don't just do program_words(eeprom_addr, struct, sizeof(struct) / 4)
2017-12-06T14:25:50 < karlp> you tend to leave out the last partial word of your struct.
2017-12-06T14:25:57 < karlp> <<<== dum
2017-12-06T14:25:57 < aandrew> yeah don't do that
2017-12-06T14:26:16 < karlp> no wonder moving code was doing odd things.
2017-12-06T14:26:17 < zyp> karlp, but it can do byte program?
2017-12-06T14:26:26 < aandrew> one of my favourite bugs is char buf[16], *p
2017-12-06T14:26:28 < karlp> zyp: yeah
2017-12-06T14:26:40 < karlp> aandrew: what's the implied type there?
2017-12-06T14:26:41 < aandrew> p = &buf[1]; int foo = *p;
2017-12-06T14:27:06 < karlp> oh, p was a poitner toa  buf16?
2017-12-06T14:27:13 < karlp> p[1] is buf[17] or something?
2017-12-06T14:27:14 < aandrew> no, it's just a char*
2017-12-06T14:27:15 < zyp> p is a char*
2017-12-06T14:27:46 < aandrew> char buf[16], *p; p = &buf[1]; int foo = *p;
2017-12-06T14:27:49 < zyp> so you're dereferencing a single char and promoting it to int
2017-12-06T14:27:54 < aandrew> no
2017-12-06T14:27:58 < aandrew> er yes
2017-12-06T14:28:03 < aandrew> sorry I can't even describe the bug correctly
2017-12-06T14:28:12 < karlp> right, but that's ok, what were you hoping would happen?
2017-12-06T14:28:15 < aandrew> char buf[16], *p; p = &buf[1]; int foo = *(int *)p;
2017-12-06T14:28:31 < karlp> oh, pulling an int off the wire,
2017-12-06T14:28:37 < aandrew> guaranteed unaligned access
2017-12-06T14:29:04 < karlp> unaligned access is just a performance nick today :)
2017-12-06T14:29:32 < karlp> hrm, saving two structs.  one of them has a big note, "this is laid out to be aligned with no surprise padding"
2017-12-06T14:29:42 < aandrew> yes, but I've had more than one case recently where it's not caught and the compiler generates something to the effect of mov r0, [r1] where r1 isn't aligned
2017-12-06T14:29:46 < karlp> other one is just a raw struct. can't even remember my own lessons.
2017-12-06T14:32:12 < zyp> M0 doesn't do unaligned, right?
2017-12-06T14:32:22 < aandrew> ARM does not do unaligned
2017-12-06T14:32:30 < aandrew> ok, exclipse question
2017-12-06T14:32:31 < karlp> aandrew: all modern ones do, yes.
2017-12-06T14:32:39 < zyp> aandrew, M3 and up does just fine
2017-12-06T14:32:50 < aandrew> zyp: ah, so it's my own fault for using stupid m0
2017-12-06T14:32:54 < zyp> there's even a bit you can set to configure whether to allow or trap it
2017-12-06T14:33:09 < zyp> but M0 always traps
2017-12-06T14:33:13 < karlp> iirc, there's only a few parts of m0 that don't either, it _generally_ does it for you there too, just with perf loss?
2017-12-06T14:33:14 < aandrew> in eclipse you can highlight a func, right click and "go to declaration". no problem.
2017-12-06T14:33:23 < aandrew> is there a shortcut to say "ok now go back to where I was before" ?
2017-12-06T14:33:44 < karlp> oh no, my bad, m0 is always dead on unaligned
2017-12-06T14:34:08  * karlp presses alt-left arrow in netbeans, ctrl-alt- left arrow in iintellij
2017-12-06T14:34:15 < karlp> I guess there's something similar in eclipse
2017-12-06T14:34:19 < karlp> ctrl-o in vim.
2017-12-06T14:36:26 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/DcomW58.jpg finally something STM related
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2017-12-06T14:37:27 < aandrew> ah, it was alt-left
2017-12-06T14:37:34 < aandrew> thanks karlp
2017-12-06T14:37:41 < aandrew> I like ctags and vim yes
2017-12-06T14:37:45 < aandrew> ^t for that I think
2017-12-06T14:37:50 < dongs> ctags lol
2017-12-06T14:37:53 < dongs> i tried to use that once
2017-12-06T14:38:01 < dongs> i think only lunix fags would find use for this kinda shit
2017-12-06T14:38:16 < aandrew> takes a bit of getting used to. it's not as good as... something else that abuses the ctags interface to do more than just function names
2017-12-06T14:38:20 < aandrew> I forget what it's called now
2017-12-06T14:40:15 < karlp> cscope?
2017-12-06T14:40:22 < aandrew> yes that's it
2017-12-06T14:40:28 < karlp> I found cscope nicer, when I was back in a world with IDEs that were incapable of large codebases,
2017-12-06T14:40:37 < karlp> but that's many years ago now.
2017-12-06T14:41:06 < karlp> nightly builds at cisco used to generate cscope.out files and vim tags files as part of the builds :)
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2017-12-06T15:40:47 < karlp> ok, so m0 doesn't do unaligned, that's true, but you can byte access anywhere, and you can half word aling to any halfword.
2017-12-06T15:43:44 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: trust me having a room mate can be quite a bad thing...
2017-12-06T15:43:45 < qyx> doesnt alignment mean to actually align to the variable size?
2017-12-06T15:43:55 < qyx> I would expect this behaviour
2017-12-06T15:44:18 < qyx> a (a) a a read is ok, a a (a a) is ok, a (a a) a is not ok
2017-12-06T15:44:34 < qyx> also a a (a a a a) a a is not ok
2017-12-06T15:44:36 < qyx> or what
2017-12-06T15:45:18 < dongs> i fucking hope in 2017 a compiler will fucking align shit on processors that don't
2017-12-06T15:48:05 < aandrew> wtaf
2017-12-06T15:48:08 < aandrew> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/ef/92/76/6d/bb/c2/4f/f7/DM00037051.pdf/files/DM00037051.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00037051.pdf
2017-12-06T15:48:11 < aandrew> can anyone else load that?
2017-12-06T15:48:18 < dongs> yes, its slow as fuck tho
2017-12-06T15:48:34 < dongs> i have it cached
2017-12-06T15:48:35 < dongs> as STM32F405,7 Datasheet (DM00037051).pdf
2017-12-06T15:48:47 < aandrew> yeah, it gets about 60% and halts on my computers
2017-12-06T15:48:54 < dongs> that it does
2017-12-06T15:48:57 < BrainDamage> the first 4MB loaded at my line speed, the rest crawl to halt
2017-12-06T15:49:04 < aandrew> I wonder if the server has a bad sector
2017-12-06T15:49:28 < aandrew> dongs: yes the compiler puts stuff aligned but you can fuck it up with bad coding
2017-12-06T15:49:46 < aandrew> hence my char buf[16], *p; p = &buf[1]; int foo = *(int *)p
2017-12-06T15:50:03 < qyx> the st.com is fucked
2017-12-06T15:50:04 < dongs> ya well if you code like a retard no compiler will help you
2017-12-06T15:50:11 < qyx> the same happens here occasionally
2017-12-06T15:50:18 < qyx> it halts at 4MB
2017-12-06T15:50:30 < tomeaton17> +1
2017-12-06T15:50:34 < dongs> earlier today i downloaded like 3 cubemx updates at 11meg/sec
2017-12-06T15:50:36 < dongs> i was fucking shocked
2017-12-06T15:50:44 < dongs> ive never seen > 100k/sec off st.com
2017-12-06T15:51:19 < dongs> haha and st.com doesnt suport resume
2017-12-06T15:51:30 < dongs> cuz its some JSP shit
2017-12-06T15:51:39 < dongs> cancer
2017-12-06T15:54:05 < tomeaton17> I just saw a petition to ban public use of fireworks in the Uk and it had 100k+ signatures
2017-12-06T15:54:10 < tomeaton17> what is wrong with people
2017-12-06T15:54:30 < dongs> ahahahaha this fucking lunix xampp installer suggests to disable UAC on windows 10
2017-12-06T15:54:34 < dongs> in 2017
2017-12-06T15:54:49 < dongs> openswores fags, never fucking disappoint
2017-12-06T15:55:58 < englishman> nice leak dongs
2017-12-06T15:56:30 < BrainDamage> tomeaton17: here several cities started banning the use of fireworks during new years because of media circus about 5-10 wounded per year, over few millions celebrating ...
2017-12-06T15:56:35 < englishman> happy birthday kakimir
2017-12-06T15:58:52 < tomeaton17> BrainDamage: Its just the stupid people who ruin it. Also this petition said that wanted it banned because animals were scared of it. Weak
2017-12-06T15:58:56 < tomeaton17> Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biAVdBLbZJM
2017-12-06T16:00:25 < dongs> im installing $35000 software in a vm
2017-12-06T16:00:30 < dongs> and its msi is not even signed
2017-12-06T16:00:35 < dongs> in 2017
2017-12-06T16:00:59 < zyp> haha
2017-12-06T16:01:53 < dongs> lol @ video
2017-12-06T16:16:42 < dongs> ahahaha
2017-12-06T16:16:49 < dongs> thsi software is just basicalyl a collection of all opensores shit
2017-12-06T16:17:32 < dongs> i see 20 copeis of libavcodec, xerxes, avutil, libxml, boost, freetype, etc
2017-12-06T16:19:02 < zyp> 20 copies of a ton of opensources packages sounds like xilinx shit
2017-12-06T16:20:53 < dongs> http://colorfront.com/index.php?page=SOFTWARE no, its this
2017-12-06T16:20:59 < dongs> looks like some hungarian cloner house
2017-12-06T16:21:07 < dongs> tempted to email them and ask for GPL Sores
2017-12-06T16:21:25 < zyp> well, yeah, I figure xilinx wouldn't have a ton of video shit
2017-12-06T16:21:51 < dongs> http://colorfront.com/index.php?page=SOFTWARE&spage=Express%20Dailies more specifically
2017-12-06T16:23:14 < zyp> hope you installed it on your mac pro tower
2017-12-06T16:23:32 < dongs> db 'svn://192.168.4.99/repository/branches/osd2017_release',0
2017-12-06T16:23:32 < dongs> haha
2017-12-06T16:23:36 < dongs> they use SVN in 2017
2017-12-06T16:23:40 < dongs> the real crime
2017-12-06T16:29:40 < tomeaton17> Yeah, another dev I know asked to have git integrated into their workflow
2017-12-06T16:29:47 < tomeaton17> They said no, but you can have SVN!
2017-12-06T16:30:26 < zyp> svn as a backend for git isn't too bad actually
2017-12-06T16:32:45 < zyp> the company I started at in 2011 at the time still used svn for their projects, so I ended up just using git as a frontend to that
2017-12-06T16:33:23 < zyp> you'll get the same workflow, the push/pull commands will just be a little different
2017-12-06T16:37:11 < BrainDamage> the transfer is a bit annoying for large files because svn resends the whole file every change
2017-12-06T16:41:47 < englishman> dongs I just had an amazing idea for chipburn Atmel edition
2017-12-06T16:42:44 < dongs> oh yea?
2017-12-06T16:43:00 < dongs> do you have a bunch of atsamx laying around?
2017-12-06T16:43:06 < dongs> in all its 144TQFP glory
2017-12-06T16:45:04 < tomeaton17> Ah thats where delta encoding shines
2017-12-06T16:45:11 < englishman> arrow shows a pkg as shipped a day before I placed  the order
2017-12-06T16:45:36 < dongs> they know exactly what you need
2017-12-06T16:55:19 < aandrew> I found git-svn is a poor hack
2017-12-06T16:55:31 < aandrew> precognitive sales
2017-12-06T16:55:54 < zyp> how so? I found it worked better than expected
2017-12-06T16:56:21 < aandrew> there we go. keil is pro
2017-12-06T16:56:27 < aandrew> got the datasheet with no issue from their website
2017-12-06T16:56:35 < aandrew> must have built apache using uvision
2017-12-06T16:56:44 < BrainDamage> i have used both git cvs interface and git svn and the svn was miles ahead, a bit awkward, but still workable
2017-12-06T16:57:12 < BrainDamage> partially because i wished it'd magically map git commands to git svn, so I'd only have to remember git's
2017-12-06T16:57:26 < BrainDamage> so mark a branch as a svn, and use git push/pull instead of git svn
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2017-12-06T16:58:02 < zyp> BrainDamage, you mean mark a remote as svn
2017-12-06T16:58:15 < zyp> but yeah, that's fair
2017-12-06T16:58:21 < BrainDamage> both, local branch tracking a remote branch
2017-12-06T16:59:17 < zyp> a local branch tracking a remote would implicitly be covered if the remote is marked as svn
2017-12-06T17:00:26 < zyp> I guess it's not done because git-svn can't hook into that layer
2017-12-06T17:01:29 < BrainDamage> yeah, it's probably done this way do avoid svn management be splattered all over the deep layers and force all tools to make a special case
2017-12-06T17:01:53 < zyp> which is fair
2017-12-06T17:01:56 < BrainDamage> this way instead only git-svn has to be aware of svn, and once it's converted to reg git blobs, the tools will handle them transparently
2017-12-06T17:02:06 < zyp> yeah
2017-12-06T17:02:11 < BrainDamage> yup, just annoying, not a dealbreaker
2017-12-06T17:02:57 < zyp> well, if you're not in control of the remote, the only thing you get to pick is how to interact with it
2017-12-06T17:03:13 < zyp> and git-svn is way more comfortable than plain svn
2017-12-06T17:03:50 < tomeaton17> Also svn doesnt work well when you are working offline
2017-12-06T17:04:00 < BrainDamage> i completely agree with that, fast commits, sane merging, local work, etc are plain superior
2017-12-06T17:05:48 < karlp> zyp: yeah,  used git-svn for a maybe a couple of years so I could have git branches locally, does _enough_ of the same thing most of the time really I guess.
2017-12-06T17:06:27 < karlp> was definitely better than svn locally,
2017-12-06T17:06:49 < karlp> but no niceties like pushing my own dev branch remotely for "backups" without having to go into svn's branches crap
2017-12-06T17:07:12 < zyp> sure you can
2017-12-06T17:08:04 < zyp> if the SVN repo follows the recommended layout (trunk/branches/tags) then git-svn picks that up and maps it directly to git tags and branches
2017-12-06T17:08:06 < karlp> "without having to go into svn's branches crap"
2017-12-06T17:08:21 < karlp> yes, but it's wayyy hackier and messier than just having branches that you then delete.
2017-12-06T17:08:32 < karlp> anyway, moved to git centrall now anyway, not going back.
2017-12-06T17:08:38 < zyp> well, if the svn repo doesn't follow svn guidelines then blame whoever set that up
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2017-12-06T17:08:52 < zyp> where I worked, they at least did that, so it just worked
2017-12-06T17:13:30 < zyp> when they changed to git in 2013, they set one of the other guys to work out a plan for how to do that
2017-12-06T17:14:10 < zyp> and he figured it was a good idea to force gitflow on everybody
2017-12-06T17:14:25 < zyp> adding some plugin shit that came with a bunch of compatibility issues or whatever that was
2017-12-06T17:15:48 < karlp> oh yeah, fuck all those
2017-12-06T17:16:08 < karlp> those are the sorts of things that sound like a good idea, but are just badly ported and maintained aliases
2017-12-06T17:16:18 < zyp> yes
2017-12-06T17:16:54 < karlp> it's like, "oh, the git commands are arcane, let me wrap them up in _different_ commands that make sense in my brane only"
2017-12-06T17:17:52 < zyp> I figure it happens when you give somebody without much experience to work out a plan
2017-12-06T17:21:24 < BrainDamage> i was in a similar position, I've actually ported a few sauceprojects to git myself 5 years ago or so, but it seems i didn't fuck up as bad since they've been happy eversince
2017-12-06T17:22:08 < BrainDamage> one of them even had rather esoteric requirements due to having all sort of shit in the svn including art projects, website, and so on, which required history rewrites, excisions, and all sort of weird manipulation
2017-12-06T17:23:16 < BrainDamage> i ended up using a sort of arcane function whom iterated commits and allowed you to call functions on them, so i could manipulate the history
2017-12-06T17:41:23 < englishman> crap, no idea where i put my stm32burn cable
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2017-12-06T18:10:42 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPtLvxO8hs
2017-12-06T18:10:47 < Laurenceb_> someone made this...
2017-12-06T18:10:54 < Laurenceb_> also the number of views O_o
2017-12-06T18:22:47 < BrainDamage> and you want to increase the view count by obviously retweeting it
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2017-12-06T18:44:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TedsiCaV2B4
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2017-12-06T18:59:38 < tomeaton17> cwc is a seriously strange guy
2017-12-06T19:00:48 < tomeaton17> https://i.imgur.com/7gMG8ot.png Lol at the list of things he cant have in a girl
2017-12-06T19:01:00 < tomeaton17> That autism one..
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2017-12-06T19:16:31 < Steffanx> What is this with brits and their obsession with boring shit?
2017-12-06T19:21:00 < dongs> 4real
2017-12-06T19:21:08 < tomeaton17> Are you saying cwc is boring
2017-12-06T19:21:13 < dongs> what teh fuck is cwc
2017-12-06T19:21:32 < dongs> actaully never mind i probly dont wanna know
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2017-12-06T19:30:12 < qyx> https://static2.tme.eu//products_pics/8/c/7/8c72272864c683710507a3c9b918ebd1/462319.jpg
2017-12-06T19:30:15 < qyx> moar energy
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2017-12-06T19:30:22 < qyx> such endure
2017-12-06T19:30:52 < aandrew> haha
2017-12-06T19:30:56 < dongs> lmao
2017-12-06T19:31:51 < qyx> acually those lisocl2 batteries are quite cheap
2017-12-06T19:32:28 < qyx> ~11e for a 3.6V/19Ah
2017-12-06T19:32:47 < qyx> I mean the EVE ones
2017-12-06T19:33:37 < qyx> SAFT is about 2x the price
2017-12-06T19:34:03 < dongs> uhghh
2017-12-06T19:34:06 < dongs> any fatfs pros,
2017-12-06T19:34:10 < dongs> how the fuck do i check if file is readonly
2017-12-06T19:34:25 < dongs> i guess fstat? or somethign
2017-12-06T19:34:28 < tomeaton17> cwc is an autist who got trolled by 4chan
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2017-12-06T19:46:29 < dongs> zyp, wtf? http://walledlakegreatshop.cf/?q=Cardio&brand=ALPS
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2017-12-06T19:48:03 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQL_ETMWsAEy6CF.jpg
2017-12-06T19:48:08 < Laurenceb_> this gunna b good
2017-12-06T19:48:08 < zyp> dongs, wtf what?
2017-12-06T19:48:41 < dongs> why is cardio in that list
2017-12-06T19:48:52 < zyp> where?
2017-12-06T19:48:59 < dongs> in the url
2017-12-06T19:49:15 < karlp> cardio shoppe
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2017-12-06T19:49:23 < karlp> bad SEO?
2017-12-06T19:49:41 < karlp> more importantly, why are they selling ALPS parts given all their other categories?
2017-12-06T19:50:14 < karlp> cardio search gives you every single product
2017-12-06T19:50:16 < zyp> dongs, in the list where? I just see encoders in the list
2017-12-06T19:50:31 < karlp> cardio is the name of the shop, they have it on every product
2017-12-06T19:50:33 < dongs> qyp, in the url ?q=
2017-12-06T19:50:34 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-06T19:50:36 < dongs> oh okay
2017-12-06T19:50:48 < zyp> karlp, looks like a scamsite that just harvested shit
2017-12-06T19:50:53 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-06T19:51:07 < zyp> dongs, I don't know, it's lot like cardio is a super unique word
2017-12-06T19:51:32 < dongs> haha i clicked on a random treadmill [buy now[ button
2017-12-06T19:51:36 < dongs> and after 2-3 affiliate redirects
2017-12-06T19:51:38 < zyp> apart from the word cardio I don't see anything that suggests it's related to my shit
2017-12-06T19:51:39 < dongs> it sent me to some rifle buying site
2017-12-06T19:51:54 < dongs> https://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/bolt-action/mvp-scout-w-scope-16-25in-308-win-ghost-ring-10-1-sku100403120-91157-185611.aspx?gdffi=da6eda1e09d849189f65c68af5996be6&gdfms=D0F13B430A964F899DE33B8E560E8198&avad=avant&aid=43021&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-Avantlink-_-datafeed&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_content=NA&utm_campaign=Itwine
2017-12-06T19:52:01 < dongs> gross url too
2017-12-06T19:52:20 < zyp> haha
2017-12-06T19:52:22 < zyp> «Thank you for choosing Brownells! To make the shopping experience better, we now have a Brownells representative in Norway.»
2017-12-06T19:52:32 < dongs> thats good to know
2017-12-06T19:53:58 < zyp> that shop looks legit, at least
2017-12-06T19:54:56 < dongs> as legit as guns buying is
2017-12-06T19:56:35 < zyp> hunting is pretty common in norway
2017-12-06T19:57:21 < zyp> so buying a hunting rifle is just as legit as buying a fishing rod or whatever
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2017-12-06T20:24:08 < englishman> brownells is a legit site, they are setup to export itar goods too
2017-12-06T20:24:12 < englishman> that mossberg however, puke
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2017-12-06T21:04:53 < upgrdman> some reddit without context: "By contrast, my in-laws are white. Their diets have no fiber. Lots of red meat. Oh so much pasta. And coke every meal! And how can you forget all the donuts! When I eat with them for a few days, I poop tiny balls."
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2017-12-06T21:18:36 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: white male!!!
2017-12-06T21:24:39 < Steffanx> Doesnt pasta have fiber upgrdman?
2017-12-06T21:24:58 < upgrdman> usually not much
2017-12-06T21:25:04 < upgrdman> but iic meat has lots of it?
2017-12-06T21:25:06 < upgrdman> iirc*
2017-12-06T21:28:06 < jpa-> no, usually no fibers at all in meat :P
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2017-12-06T21:29:28 < jpa-> whole wheat pasta has reasonable amount
2017-12-06T21:40:33 < Laurenceb_> wtf bitcoin
2017-12-06T21:40:36 < Laurenceb_> $13k
2017-12-06T21:41:15 < Laurenceb_> https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg5ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
2017-12-06T21:41:16 < Laurenceb_> how
2017-12-06T21:45:04 < Steffanx> zyp can is getting closer and closer to that dinner with his gf :P
2017-12-06T21:45:25 < Steffanx> from my 5 dollar/euro of buttcoins.
2017-12-06T21:45:39 < zyp> yeah, they are up to $16 now
2017-12-06T21:47:32 < Steffanx> hehe
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2017-12-06T22:19:56 < srk> what's the role of capacitor in thermistor voltage divider circuit? to compensate input capacitance of ADC?
2017-12-06T22:22:16 < BrainDamage> thermistor voltage divider? in a wien bridge?
2017-12-06T22:22:20 < Lux> low pass filtering
2017-12-06T22:22:50 < Lux> and/or to compensate for the adc sampling capacitor
2017-12-06T22:23:14 < srk> thanks
2017-12-06T22:23:14 < BrainDamage> if it's in a wien bridge is depends on the supply
2017-12-06T22:23:20 < BrainDamage> if it's dc or ac
2017-12-06T22:23:29 < srk> no, just dc + divider
2017-12-06T22:23:43 < BrainDamage> then lowpass + compensation
2017-12-06T22:23:52 < srk> adding 10uF cap fixed readings completely :)
2017-12-06T22:23:53 < Lux> sounds like arduino stuff
2017-12-06T22:24:10 < Lux> or 3d printer
2017-12-06T22:24:16 < srk> +-
2017-12-06T22:25:02 < srk> now I need thermistors to measure motor temp
2017-12-06T22:25:15 < srk> our DIY spindle is overheating at bearings so I want to try measuring that
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2017-12-06T22:26:13 < srk> also for 3d printers/cncs/robots. part of https://wiki.distrap.org/
2017-12-06T22:26:15 < BrainDamage> do you really need a thermistor or any thermal sensor will do?
2017-12-06T22:26:27 < srk> any will do, but I have spares from 3d printers
2017-12-06T22:26:52 < srk> for 3d printing thermocouples are better, gonna add that too at some point
2017-12-06T22:27:02 < BrainDamage> thing is with thermistors the 'proper' weay to read them is to use a wien bridge
2017-12-06T22:27:11 < BrainDamage> so you only read the delta instead of baseline
2017-12-06T22:27:27 < srk> I think I have some instrumentation amplifiers so I can try
2017-12-06T22:27:32 < srk> I see
2017-12-06T22:28:09 < BrainDamage> you can do all sort of tricks to increase accuracy too, for instance instead of dc supply, if you have a uC you can do squarewave aka pulsed dc
2017-12-06T22:28:32 < BrainDamage> so you can both limit self heating, and also frequency shift the measurement so that you don't hit the 1/f noise of the electronics
2017-12-06T22:28:52 < BrainDamage> then again, it boils to the accuracy you require
2017-12-06T22:28:57 < srk> nice
2017-12-06T22:29:04 < BrainDamage> given it's 3d dicking, you probably don't need much
2017-12-06T22:29:16 < srk> I think even with divider there's enough for now
2017-12-06T22:29:32 < srk> later I'll upgrade to pt100s
2017-12-06T22:29:45 < srk> 3d dicking is acually quite complex
2017-12-06T22:29:56 < srk> much more than CNC dicking for example :D
2017-12-06T22:30:27 < srk> we've printed some dicks too, bongs as well
2017-12-06T22:30:55 < srk> another related question
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2017-12-06T22:31:17 < srk> would you choose high side or low side current measurement for motor control applicaitons?
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2017-12-06T22:31:59 < BrainDamage> well, go low side if you can, but in practice it's not always possible, there's other tradeoffs, like the mos control circuit
2017-12-06T22:32:09 < BrainDamage> which when it's not low side it requires charge pump
2017-12-06T22:32:17 < BrainDamage> or stray caps around
2017-12-06T22:32:19 < srk> right
2017-12-06T22:33:08 < srk> does ADC average by default when it's set to like 3 samples?
2017-12-06T22:34:22 < srk> another thing I would like to try is oversampling these current measurements but not sure how to go from synchronous two phase measurements triggered by CC4 of ATIM1 to some form of oversampling with DMA
2017-12-06T22:35:28 < srk> (injected conversions)
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2017-12-06T23:11:02 < karlp> why does it matter where you put a shunt for current sensing BrainDamage ?
2017-12-06T23:12:08 < BrainDamage> because on low side you don't need differential amplifiers
2017-12-06T23:13:16 < BrainDamage> also stray cap is only stray caps to gnd, which in turn makes it easier to account for
2017-12-06T23:13:38 < karlp> oh, if the high side is "higher" than you can just measure across, yeah, ok.
2017-12-06T23:13:56 < karlp> I'm only used tto cts/rogs so you just put em where they fit best.
2017-12-06T23:14:52 < BrainDamage> yeah, sorry, I've done a bit of ic design so in turn i don't have the same assumptions that other people do
2017-12-06T23:15:09 < BrainDamage> where few extra opamps are extra area
2017-12-06T23:15:17 < BrainDamage> it's a bit hard to exit the mindset
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2017-12-06T23:16:48 < karlp> well, I at least truly value your alternative viewpoint :)
2017-12-06T23:28:58 < aandrew> you don't need differential for low side if you don't care about the drop across the return path
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2017-12-06T23:32:01 < srk> aha, hardware oversampling seems to be only available on low power variants
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2017-12-06T23:32:51 < karlp> srk: more, newer variants,
2017-12-06T23:32:58 < karlp> pretty sure f0/f7 have it as well
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2017-12-06T23:33:37 < srk> hmm, I'm unlucky with f4 :D
2017-12-06T23:33:43 < srk> need to port to f7
2017-12-06T23:34:10 < BrainDamage> aandrew: you never do and chalk the exception under 'ground bounce'
2017-12-06T23:34:46 < BrainDamage> it's just a different minsset
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2017-12-06T23:39:41 < invzim> nooo altium changed a bit in 17
2017-12-06T23:40:06 < invzim> how the F do you expand a poly in 17?
2017-12-06T23:41:32 < invzim> got it, hold ctrl down
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2017-12-07T00:18:19 < englishman> ReadError: thermaldongix shit is here
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2017-12-07T00:35:06 < Laurenceb_> hardware oversampling?
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2017-12-07T00:35:13 < Laurenceb_> whats that an adc feature?
2017-12-07T00:40:30 < Cracki_> oversampling followed by decimation can get you more bits per sample
2017-12-07T00:40:36 < Cracki_> the extreme case is sigma-delta-adc
2017-12-07T00:41:10 < Cracki_> recently saw the feature in some samd51(?) to extend the 12 bits native resolution to 16
2017-12-07T00:52:55 < ds2> how much noise is required to gain 4 bits?
2017-12-07T00:55:29 < jadew> more than one LSB
2017-12-07T00:55:40 < jadew> well, one LSB of noise really
2017-12-07T00:57:07 < jadew> you normally already have that, but if you don't you have to inject it
2017-12-07T00:58:11 < Cracki_> uh, add noise to _gain_ bits?
2017-12-07T00:58:31 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-07T00:58:36 < Cracki_> dithering?
2017-12-07T00:58:43 < jadew> it doesn't kill your accuracy
2017-12-07T00:59:23 < Cracki_> ic, without noise you'd measure the same thing several times, gaining you nothing
2017-12-07T00:59:31 < jadew> yep
2017-12-07T01:02:55 < ds2> so number of bits gained is not proportional to noise needed?
2017-12-07T01:03:19 < englishman> ReadError: well im in love
2017-12-07T01:03:57 < jadew> ds2, no, it's proportional to how many samples you take
2017-12-07T01:04:02 < ds2> oversampling filters out noise at the same time (asumption is noise is a random process)
2017-12-07T01:04:10 < jadew> but it does have to be faster than the sample rate
2017-12-07T01:04:20 < ds2> jadew: cool... did not know htat aspect
2017-12-07T01:05:19 < BrainDamage> ds2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0vo263dpth1dliw/adc.pdf?dl=1
2017-12-07T01:05:32 < BrainDamage> i wrote that after a particularry bad espisode of nerdrage
2017-12-07T01:05:53 < BrainDamage> it doesn't apply to sigma delta because the assumption of uniform error fails, but otherwise it's pretty generic
2017-12-07T01:06:15 < ds2> BrainDamage: I see that part before
2017-12-07T01:06:43 < ds2> even seen it work in actual practice... the "10 bit" ADC on the BeagleBone is incredibly noise...
2017-12-07T01:07:04 < ds2> w/o oversampling, an estimate from a graph puts it at 7bit useable
2017-12-07T01:07:20 < ds2> oversample 8x and it is somewhat in the ballpark of 10bit
2017-12-07T01:07:29 < jadew> the problem with gaining bits is that you lose sampling speed very fast
2017-12-07T01:07:33 < jadew> it halves for every bit
2017-12-07T01:07:55 < Cracki_> or you use a moving window... which has its downsides too
2017-12-07T01:07:57 < ds2> thought it is 1/4?
2017-12-07T01:08:04 < ds2> something about sqrt()
2017-12-07T01:08:07 < jadew> is it 1/4?
2017-12-07T01:08:11 < jadew> it might be
2017-12-07T01:08:20 < jadew> still, it goes downhill very fast
2017-12-07T01:08:22 < BrainDamage> if you actually opened my link i literally derived the formula at the end
2017-12-07T01:08:22 < ds2> <--- learning signal processing as it happens
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2017-12-07T01:08:51 < Cracki_> latex fetishist
2017-12-07T01:08:52 < ds2> :)
2017-12-07T01:09:20 < BrainDamage> i like my fonts so antialiased they have to cut your eyes
2017-12-07T01:09:43 < ds2> i am too old to casually read deep math w/o shifting my mind into math mode :(
2017-12-07T01:09:52 < BrainDamage> just read the last line
2017-12-07T01:10:18 < ds2> n + 1/2 log2(Os)?
2017-12-07T01:10:22 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-12-07T01:15:26 < BrainDamage> also since i am drunk and classy tonight: https://i.imgur.com/dwFNbyc.jpg
2017-12-07T01:18:42 < englishman> dat grappa
2017-12-07T01:21:03 < BrainDamage> nah, the 2nd 'best voted' 'beer craftsman' of italy visted my fav pub, and he brought high alcohool beers, 3 rounds of 12% ABV beers with an empty stomach took their tolll
2017-12-07T01:21:07 < karlp> propene?
2017-12-07T01:21:15 < BrainDamage> close
2017-12-07T01:21:29 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyraldehyde
2017-12-07T01:21:52 < englishman> lol
2017-12-07T01:22:01 < englishman> classy yes
2017-12-07T01:30:41 < Cracki_> what's the use of Butyraldehyde? similar to chloroform?
2017-12-07T01:32:00 < Cracki_> ah, a pun
2017-12-07T01:36:19 < karlp> how?
2017-12-07T01:37:09 < karlp> Cracki_: most of the newer stm32s have hardware oversampling available too.
2017-12-07T01:37:38 < BrainDamage> karlp: replace the colloquial name
2017-12-07T01:39:33 < karlp> the colloquial name of butyraldehyde?
2017-12-07T01:39:40 < karlp> where do I get that from? it's not on the wiki page linked?
2017-12-07T01:40:23 < karlp> butt-anal?
2017-12-07T01:40:27 < karlp> ok....
2017-12-07T01:40:47 < karlp> going for pretty niche audience there I see.
2017-12-07T01:41:09 < BrainDamage> can't say i didn't warn it was drunk and classy
2017-12-07T01:41:48 < BrainDamage> plus having to explain it makes it worse too
2017-12-07T01:42:44 < karlp> does't  help that I read but-- chem names as beaut, not butt.
2017-12-07T01:43:08 < BrainDamage> just read it as but
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2017-12-07T01:47:39 < Cracki_> >niche
2017-12-07T01:47:41 < Cracki_> >butt
2017-12-07T01:47:51 < Cracki_> not sure if that fits
2017-12-07T01:48:49 < karlp> Cracki_: this is on top of the niche of being able to recognise the molecule
2017-12-07T01:48:51 < BrainDamage> you just have to lube up the situation
2017-12-07T01:49:28 < BrainDamage> meh, think of the conversational possibilities, you'd be exploring just the tip of the iceberg
2017-12-07T01:51:38 < Cracki_> iceberg reminds me of weinstein, which reminds me of potted plants
2017-12-07T01:56:05 < Cracki_> so who's gonna sink next?
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2017-12-07T02:58:33 < jadew> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/sep/10/aliens-modern-messages-earths-equality-diversity-seti-yuri-milner
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2017-12-07T03:00:39 < jadew> in the comment section: "I hear that Angela Merkel is already writing an invitation."
2017-12-07T03:05:56 < aandrew> "“The plaque shows a man raising his hand in a very manly fashion while a woman stands behind him, appearing all meek and submissive,”"
2017-12-07T03:06:01 < aandrew> oh for the love of fuck
2017-12-07T03:24:55 < dongs> https://community.st.com/community/stm32-community/stm32-forum/blog/2017/12/05/2018-stm32-wish-list
2017-12-07T03:26:52 < dongs> People are looking for small, low pin count versions, in packages that are easy to solder, and keep board costs down. Exotic and tight packaging only works of a subset of users, emerging markets want things which are simple to build, on 2-layer boards, and which can more easily replace old 8-bit designs where part availability become strong drivers.
2017-12-07T03:26:57 < dongs> wat
2017-12-07T03:36:42 < aandrew> lol
2017-12-07T03:40:46 < dongs> the real weird part is its post from clive.one
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2017-12-07T03:58:05 < upgrdman> 6 G's   https://gfycat.com/MajorGrandArgusfish
2017-12-07T04:03:09 < englishman> jeez karlp are all nords that prudish!
2017-12-07T04:03:36 < englishman> clive1 is a make:r
2017-12-07T04:05:37 < englishman> clearly he hasn't used any atsam3x parts if he thinks 2L stm32 is unreasonable
2017-12-07T04:06:02 < ds2> QFNs are easy to solder
2017-12-07T04:06:09 < englishman> very
2017-12-07T04:06:49 < englishman> would be great if stm32 came in non-exposed-pad models tho
2017-12-07T04:07:23 < tpw_rules> aligning them is sucks
2017-12-07T04:07:41 < ds2> just need close enough and it self aligns
2017-12-07T04:07:56 < tpw_rules> i've destroyed boards failing it
2017-12-07T04:08:02 < tpw_rules> but i can't claim to be good
2017-12-07T04:08:13 < ds2> how are you soldering it? iron? reflow oven? hot air?
2017-12-07T04:08:34 < tpw_rules> iron
2017-12-07T04:08:36 < englishman> never destroyed anything soldering qfn so far
2017-12-07T04:08:45 < englishman> butane?
2017-12-07T04:08:50 < tpw_rules> no it's a decent one
2017-12-07T04:08:54 < ds2> oh
2017-12-07T04:09:01 < tpw_rules> i just have the world's worst hands and can't align things to save my life
2017-12-07T04:09:05 < ds2> hot air and lots of flux
2017-12-07T04:09:15 < ds2> have it swimming in flux
2017-12-07T04:09:21 < ds2> center pads OTH and a PITA
2017-12-07T04:09:21 < tpw_rules> how do i put the solder on with hot air
2017-12-07T04:09:29 < ds2> tin the pads
2017-12-07T04:09:33 < englishman> you can tin the pads
2017-12-07T04:09:36 < tpw_rules> oh yeah that would make sense
2017-12-07T04:09:41 < englishman> or lay paste with a syringe
2017-12-07T04:09:44 < ds2> worked for even 0.4mm stuff (MPU6500)
2017-12-07T04:09:46 < tpw_rules> what's a good consumer hot air station btw
2017-12-07T04:09:51 < englishman> 858d
2017-12-07T04:09:52 < tpw_rules> i could get one for xmas
2017-12-07T04:09:56 < ds2> paste can be a PITA at times
2017-12-07T04:10:07 < englishman> maybe different name if you're not in usa
2017-12-07T04:10:09 < tpw_rules> oh hell yea it has exquisite dimensions englishman
2017-12-07T04:10:17 < ds2> little balls of solder all over your board
2017-12-07T04:10:19 < englishman> pretty sure it's on amadongs n sheeit
2017-12-07T04:10:38 < tpw_rules> yea i can get clones
2017-12-07T04:11:11 < englishman> dongs: thermaldongix auto solder feeder arrived
2017-12-07T04:12:49 < jadew> tpw_rules, I have the gordak 952
2017-12-07T04:12:52 < jadew> very happy with it
2017-12-07T04:13:24 < tpw_rules> it looks like that one is also a soldering iron?
2017-12-07T04:13:25 < jadew> and you get an extra soldering iron too
2017-12-07T04:13:29 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-07T04:16:15 < tpw_rules> dual-weilding!
2017-12-07T04:18:11 < jadew> it comes in handy from time to time
2017-12-07T04:18:20 < jadew> picking up SMD LEDs and things like that
2017-12-07T04:18:38 < jadew> or if you need to switch between two tips
2017-12-07T04:19:03 < jadew> it's using the hackko tips, so that works great for me
2017-12-07T04:35:15 < jadew> have you guys seen any good movies lately?
2017-12-07T04:35:48 < jadew> I'd like some adventure movie, with a lot of open space and sun
2017-12-07T04:38:23 < MrMobius> do you have to buy the whole iron?
2017-12-07T04:38:28 < MrMobius> or just the tip?
2017-12-07T04:38:31 < MrMobius> harharhar
2017-12-07T04:39:41 < MrMobius> jadew, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPwtDjzJMI
2017-12-07T04:39:45 < jadew> that must be the most told lie in the bed
2017-12-07T04:40:26 < jadew> is that a game or a movie?
2017-12-07T04:40:33 < MrMobius> movie
2017-12-07T04:41:24 < englishman> jadew if you want sun http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378109/
2017-12-07T04:41:26 < jadew> I remember not being able to sit through the first one
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2017-12-07T04:41:57 < jadew> englishman, thanks, I'll check it out
2017-12-07T04:42:01 < MrMobius> thats a good one
2017-12-07T04:42:15 < MrMobius> englishman, do you know if the guy in that one will be in the sequel?
2017-12-07T04:42:38 < englishman> yeah def
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2017-12-07T04:43:03 < englishman> nah there was a sequel made when he was alive and he wasnt in it
2017-12-07T04:43:09 < jadew> they're planning a sequel 12 years after the first one?
2017-12-07T04:43:15 < jadew> how does Jessica Alba look now?
2017-12-07T04:43:18 < jadew> still doable?
2017-12-07T04:43:21 < englishman> it worked for star wars
2017-12-07T04:43:59 < jadew> guy died?
2017-12-07T04:48:12 < englishman> died real dead
2017-12-07T04:48:21 < jadew> yeah, checked the imdb page
2017-12-07T04:48:31 < MrMobius> ya the hitler dude from Iron Sky died
2017-12-07T04:48:31 < englishman> the last fast and furryous movie was mostly CG and his brother
2017-12-07T04:48:38 < MrMobius> like way before they made they movie about him
2017-12-07T04:48:49 < englishman> he came back to do the movie tho
2017-12-07T04:49:00 < englishman> knowing what an instant classic it woudl be
2017-12-07T04:55:15 < englishman> zyp irl https://gfycat.com/QuaintDizzyFish
2017-12-07T04:57:07 < jadew> source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc5dKqoFtKk
2017-12-07T04:57:15 < MrMobius> why is he shooting them in the head
2017-12-07T04:58:03 < jadew> not a good idea because there's a high chance to miss the brain?
2017-12-07T04:58:29 < englishman> irl its a good way to ensure disfigurement and suffering for the rest of its life
2017-12-07T04:58:30 < MrMobius> yes or deflect the bullet off bone
2017-12-07T04:59:27 < englishman> but zip never said he was a highly experienced hunter
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2017-12-07T05:08:13 < branjb> have a gpio configured as output PP, when i toggle it high it only goes to 12mV. low to 0V.  any ideas?
2017-12-07T05:08:30 < jadew> short
2017-12-07T05:11:53 < branjb> rip i think it's under the mcu behind the pad
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2017-12-07T07:04:10 < upgrdman> <englishman> zyp irl https://gfycat.com/QuaintDizzyFish
2017-12-07T07:04:40 < upgrdman> with that much flinching during trigger pull, it'd be a miracle if that faggot could hit the "broad side of a barn"
2017-12-07T07:04:56 < MrMobius> lol
2017-12-07T07:05:10 < MrMobius> and how does he see through his thumb with it in front of the scope
2017-12-07T07:05:28 < upgrdman> oh ya that too :)
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2017-12-07T10:51:19 < Thorn> https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/3jJQRL/mystisk-rysk-ambulans-ryckte-ut-i-stockholm
2017-12-07T10:54:25 < ohsix> wut
2017-12-07T10:55:57 < kakimir_> so russian
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2017-12-07T11:01:48 < jadew> lol
2017-12-07T11:02:45 < jadew> they could have been there because they transported someone
2017-12-07T11:03:02 < jadew> and on their way back they found someone in need of help
2017-12-07T11:05:53 < c10ud> where can I find a cheap jlink? not for ST though
2017-12-07T11:06:15 < c10ud> (SWD only, for SAMD)
2017-12-07T11:06:37 < Thorn> https://ria.ru/world/20171207/1510397152.html
2017-12-07T11:07:32 < jadew> my second name is Sherlock
2017-12-07T11:07:42 < Thorn> c10ud: aliexpress of course
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2017-12-07T11:07:52 < jadew> but not this time of the year
2017-12-07T11:08:16 < jadew> they'll probably get to you in february
2017-12-07T11:08:22 < jadew> *it'll
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2017-12-07T11:09:15 < c10ud> right, well unless I choose a costly shipping which would defeat the whole purpose of this being cheap
2017-12-07T11:10:45 < Thorn> something like https://www.aliexpress.com/item/V8-V9-V9-3-V9-4-Software-SUPPORT-GOOD-QUALITY-Jlink-j-link-IF-YOU-HAVE/32810034313.html
2017-12-07T11:12:28 < c10ud> Thorn, does this work with the official jlink driver?
2017-12-07T11:12:48 < Thorn> mine (V9.3) does
2017-12-07T11:12:54 < c10ud> ok
2017-12-07T11:13:08 < kakimir> hey new jlink pirate version?
2017-12-07T11:13:21 < Thorn> this one looks somewhat different but I'd expect it to be the same thing
2017-12-07T11:13:31 < kakimir> what does this "firmware cannot afford" mean
2017-12-07T11:13:35 < dongs> why woudl you faggots support communism and buy a clone when for liek $10 more y ou can get jlink edu and be legit
2017-12-07T11:14:04 < Thorn> j-link software even upgraded the firmware in mine a couple times without bricking it lol
2017-12-07T11:16:05 < ohsix> c10ud: you want jlink for the software, or is a thing that works with openocd and costs 3$ that does swd useful
2017-12-07T11:16:32 < kOStiX> there is also diy jlinks on the net
2017-12-07T11:16:47 < ohsix> heyyyyyy kostix, get to use the knobs?
2017-12-07T11:16:52 < c10ud> I just need swd with a few breakpoints, but this is not for ST
2017-12-07T11:17:05 < kOStiX> yeah man hehe
2017-12-07T11:17:17 < ohsix> sweet
2017-12-07T11:17:24 < ohsix> they look a lot like the ones you were already using
2017-12-07T11:17:27 < dongs> what
2017-12-07T11:17:40 < c10ud> dongs, faking being a student still costs 5x than chinaclone
2017-12-07T11:17:44 < dongs> hardware breakpoints are limited by the cortex core
2017-12-07T11:18:00 < kOStiX> https://imgur.com/a/7a77D
2017-12-07T11:18:20 < ohsix> a+
2017-12-07T11:18:22 < Thorn> >3, JlinkV8 easy to swap firmware from bricks. I have here a lot of V8 have hung up, I want to reprogram the firmware, while ordinary users can only watch becomes a brick, and the basic V9 is not the case.
2017-12-07T11:18:27 < dongs> < kOStiX> there is also diy jlinks on the net < i purchased a "my time is not worthless" version instead
2017-12-07T11:18:47 < kOStiX> i agree with that hehe, was just sayin :)
2017-12-07T11:20:24 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-LINK-Stlink-ST-Link-V2-Mini-STM8-STM32-Simulator-Download-Programmer-Programming-With-Cover/32544133138.html hmmm heh, price has gone down a lot
2017-12-07T11:20:45 < kOStiX> yeah those work pretty decent
2017-12-07T11:21:17 < ohsix> that's almost cheap enough to pass out to people i mention the stm32 to hehe
2017-12-07T11:21:20 < Thorn> it's 3.3V only
2017-12-07T11:21:43 < kOStiX> the one i have has a 5v output for whatever u might wanna use it
2017-12-07T11:22:06 < Thorn> but swd/swim logic levels are 3.3V
2017-12-07T11:22:39 < kOStiX> i use to program f1, f4 and f7's thru swd no probs
2017-12-07T11:24:22 < jadew> MrMobius, I was wrong, I didn't see iron sky
2017-12-07T11:24:36 < jadew> it's funny so far
2017-12-07T11:27:32 < ohsix> the nazi alien one?
2017-12-07T11:27:46 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-07T11:27:53 < ohsix> hehe
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2017-12-07T11:28:23 < ohsix> i realized this afternoon when someone mentioned nicholas winding refn that Drive came out in 2011, and i've been meaning to watch it for over 5 years
2017-12-07T11:30:12 < PaulFertser> c10ud: but stlink works with non-st chips too.
2017-12-07T11:30:32 < dongs> with a catch
2017-12-07T11:31:14 < c10ud> mmm, I could try it
2017-12-07T11:31:26 < kOStiX> you can also convert an original stlink into a jlink
2017-12-07T11:31:32 < kOStiX> firmware upgrade
2017-12-07T11:31:35 < dongs> kOStiX: nice frontpanel. still making it out of pcb copper clad?
2017-12-07T11:31:51 < kOStiX> yeah, made 2 copies of this version so far
2017-12-07T11:31:54 < dongs> cool
2017-12-07T11:31:59 < kOStiX> but i ordered and just got 10 boards
2017-12-07T11:32:02 < kOStiX> done
2017-12-07T11:32:10 < kOStiX> so ill be building another 10 i guess hehe
2017-12-07T11:32:15 < dongs> finally no more etching garbage? eh
2017-12-07T11:32:37 < c10ud> whats the catch with the conversion? stlink is super cheap, could be interesting
2017-12-07T11:32:49 < dongs> no catch, but it has to be legit stlink
2017-12-07T11:32:51 < dongs> not the clones
2017-12-07T11:32:59 < dongs> since it uses ST bootloader
2017-12-07T11:33:01 < kOStiX> well, the revision is sorta close to finish eheh, im still thinking on doing a mod on it to digitally control the analog filter which i didnt design into the 10 boards that already arrived
2017-12-07T11:33:18 < dongs> i doubt it works on those $2 gumstick clones
2017-12-07T11:34:53 < kOStiX> https://imgur.com/a/vEwGf
2017-12-07T11:34:57 < ohsix> if you have a random stm32 dev board you can flash it with black magic probe
2017-12-07T11:35:00 < karlp> englishman: what's prudish? I just found it a very long stretch to get the pun. so it wasn't really funny at that point.
2017-12-07T11:35:25 < dongs> kOStiX: wow that looks extremely chinese
2017-12-07T11:35:27 < dongs> mix of pth and smt
2017-12-07T11:35:32 < dongs> just like a typical chinaboard
2017-12-07T11:35:51 < kOStiX> hehe most of it is smd
2017-12-07T11:36:02 < kOStiX> rest are diy ldr/led couples
2017-12-07T11:36:08 < kOStiX> and switches, pots
2017-12-07T11:37:04 < kOStiX> leds thru hole until i figure to make cheap light ducts with acrylic or soemthing
2017-12-07T11:37:12 < PaulFertser> dongs: afaik china stlink clones are running the same stlink bootloader, and the same firmware. Even though the chip says stm32f101 :)
2017-12-07T11:37:46 < kOStiX> they cant be upgraded to jlink tho
2017-12-07T11:38:11 < PaulFertser> Why?
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2017-12-07T11:38:28 < kOStiX> dunno, it doesnt detect it as a valid stlink version
2017-12-07T11:38:54 < kOStiX> https://www.segger.com/products/debug-probes/j-link/models/other-j-links/st-link-on-board/
2017-12-07T11:39:07 < karlp> jadew: I was a bit surprised that you couldn't sit through iron sky, glad to hear it was different :)
2017-12-07T11:39:22 < jadew> karlp, heh
2017-12-07T11:39:31 < jadew> I confused it with another one, but I don't remember its name
2017-12-07T11:39:39 < kOStiX> dongs: kinda dont like a lot the quality of the vias
2017-12-07T11:39:54 < jadew> had zeppelins in it
2017-12-07T11:40:11 < PaulFertser> kOStiX: hm, but st upgrade utility doesn't complain afaik. Well, whatever...
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2017-12-07T11:40:58 < kOStiX> yeah its all up to trying.. i have tried with my cheaps stlink from ebay and it wouldnt recognize it.. works fine as stling tho..  the stlinks i got on the discovery board do update to the jlink
2017-12-07T11:42:27 < karlp> what do jlinks do that the stlink didn't do anyway....
2017-12-07T11:42:39 < PaulFertser> Limitations of stlink for non-stm32 debugging: no support for 16-bit reads/writes (affects stm32 as well of course, just not really important); no DAP-level control (needed to mass-erase kinetis). Other than that, works ok afaik.
2017-12-07T11:42:52 < kOStiX> i think i've found the jlink program the chips faster a bit
2017-12-07T11:46:52 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7I1Fp0B0mU
2017-12-07T11:47:38 < PaulFertser> Jlink can also be used to configure FPGA/CPLD devices and properly work with multi-device JTAG chains. It can also be used to access all other targets (e.g. MIPS, Cortex-A etc).
2017-12-07T11:48:24 < PaulFertser> But if you're using OpenOCD for nRF5 then stlink would be faster because it handles SWD WAITs in firmware and so a fast flash loader can be used (this is a software OpenOCD limitation).
2017-12-07T11:49:00 < ohsix> there's a hitler parody wikia
2017-12-07T11:54:31 < c10ud> mh, for blackmagicprobe I would need to add SAMC support, ST-LINK/V2 firmware override with jlink looks nicer, 13€ on farnell
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2017-12-07T11:58:51 < dongs> PaulFertser: do the $2 stlink clones even have fulljtag
2017-12-07T11:58:58 < dongs> i thought theyt just broke out SWCLK/SWDIO
2017-12-07T12:00:05 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-12-07T12:01:26 < dongs> http://andybrown.me.uk/wp-content/images/stlink/fakelink.jpg
2017-12-07T12:01:36 < dongs> http://img04.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i4/361121710/T2lV9bXEJXXXXXXXXX_%21%21361121710.jpg
2017-12-07T12:01:43 < dongs> looks like the 10pin fgts are all just swd and swim
2017-12-07T12:01:54 < kOStiX> yep
2017-12-07T12:02:12 < PaulFertser> Yes
2017-12-07T12:02:53 < dongs> how? i just pasted pinout of hte most common ones and there are no jtag pins
2017-12-07T12:05:38 < kOStiX> i guess one could solder on to the pins of the ic directly hahah
2017-12-07T12:06:03 < dongs> that quickly goes into waste of time territory
2017-12-07T12:06:34 < oz4ga> the ones from baite has full jtag available
2017-12-07T12:06:50 < oz4ga> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ST-Link-st-link-V2-for-STM8S-STM8L-STM32-Cortex-M0-Cortex-M3-SWIM-JTAG-SWD/32322884886.html
2017-12-07T12:07:10 < dongs> nice
2017-12-07T12:07:53 < karlp> shipping, $39.81
2017-12-07T12:07:56 < karlp> yeah. top nice.
2017-12-07T12:08:01 < kOStiX> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/STLINK-ST-ST-LINK-V2-CN-STM8-STM32-Emulator-download-programmer/32693170276.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.9.7e8fc315yufAO4&traffic_analysisId=recommend_3035_null_null_null&scm=1007.13338.80878.000000000000000&pvid=0d114883-146f-463b-8c4d-94e5638effb1&tpp=1
2017-12-07T12:08:12 < oz4ga> baite stuff is normally of ok quality
2017-12-07T12:08:56 < oz4ga> kOStiX: damn!
2017-12-07T12:10:07 < kOStiX> i think im gonna get that thing
2017-12-07T12:10:16 < kOStiX> free shipping whatever, whenever it arrives
2017-12-07T12:13:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: I meant kOStiX is right and those stlinks do not have full jtag. And it doesn't matter anyway, because that jtag is unusable for anything but cortex-m and all they also support swd so it's unclear why anyone would want jtag on stlink.
2017-12-07T12:13:49 < kOStiX> PaulFertser: check out the last link i pasted
2017-12-07T12:14:03 < kOStiX> looks like the original stlink for real cheap
2017-12-07T12:14:33 < dongs> PaulFertser: i suppose if you have several STMs chained via jtag..
2017-12-07T12:14:37 < PaulFertser> Yes, full clone apparently.
2017-12-07T12:14:50 < kOStiX> we'll see :) i just ordered it
2017-12-07T12:15:01 < dongs> you can review it next year
2017-12-07T12:15:02 < PaulFertser> dongs: that's the only case that comes to mind, yes.
2017-12-07T12:15:10 < kOStiX> couple of month prolly
2017-12-07T12:15:20 < dongs> > next year
2017-12-07T12:15:25 < kOStiX> i got a working cheap stlink and stlinks on discovery boards if anything
2017-12-07T12:24:05 < tomeaton17> Whats the difference between the offical one and the small metal ones?
2017-12-07T12:24:40 < dongs> you support communism
2017-12-07T12:25:13 < dongs> https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/936245043588943872
2017-12-07T12:25:40 < dongs> Laurenceb-style news
2017-12-07T12:27:42 < tomeaton17> oh so nothing else apart from that lol
2017-12-07T12:31:11 < kOStiX> the official one has all sorts of protection stuff and what not
2017-12-07T12:31:25 < karlp> tomeaton17: well, some of the small metal ones don't have the reset pin wired correctly either...
2017-12-07T12:32:31 < tomeaton17> Okay since im working with this stuff alot I want to get a nice debugger, considering either a black magic probe or the offical st link
2017-12-07T12:33:00 < dongs> stlink is fucking slow
2017-12-07T12:33:05 < dongs> so is blackmagic
2017-12-07T12:33:12 < kOStiX> dongs: whats the fastest solution?
2017-12-07T12:33:12 < dongs> nothing compares to jlink
2017-12-07T12:33:28 < dongs> kOStiX: that ~20 jlink clone V9 or wahtever should be prety decent
2017-12-07T12:33:38 < dongs> 15-20M
2017-12-07T12:33:39 < kOStiX> got a link?
2017-12-07T12:33:42 < dongs> stlink is like what, 2M? or wahtever
2017-12-07T12:33:52 < kOStiX> neat
2017-12-07T12:34:08 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/totally-legit/32810034313.html
2017-12-07T12:34:20 < dongs> anyway, the problem is of course STM flash writing speed
2017-12-07T12:34:39 < kOStiX> thanks
2017-12-07T12:34:41 < dongs> even stlink is limited by that, which is something like 20-30k/sec depending on chip
2017-12-07T12:34:46 < kOStiX> yeah i guess
2017-12-07T12:34:48 < dongs> but faster transport = faster debugging
2017-12-07T12:35:06 < dongs> i did work on some ATSAMX shit few months back and damn, flash write is nearly instant there
2017-12-07T12:35:08 < kOStiX> the ide also takes up some time starting the debugger and swithing the mode aswell
2017-12-07T12:35:10 < dongs> with jlink
2017-12-07T12:38:44 < kOStiX> with the jlink burnt on a discovery board stlink i felt it behaved a bit faster than the original stlink
2017-12-07T12:40:14 < tomeaton17> If using jlink do I require any more pins than swd because my board only has the swd pins broken out
2017-12-07T12:48:17 < tomeaton17> Okay that looks cool I will see if the boss will authorise a jlink pro
2017-12-07T12:55:28 < karlp> stlink is 4M, on newer ones, and you're normally limited by flash speed,
2017-12-07T12:55:41 < karlp> super fast ones can give you much faster trace, but you tend to pay a lot.
2017-12-07T12:56:22 < kOStiX> cant wait for the 400mhz stm to come out
2017-12-07T12:58:21 < tomeaton17> Yeah the segger ones are very expensive
2017-12-07T12:58:36 < Ecco> How is a faster debugger important? I never felt limited by the STlink
2017-12-07T12:59:10 < kOStiX> it sums up when you are constantly reflashing the thing while debugging hehe
2017-12-07T12:59:17 < kOStiX> all day long
2017-12-07T12:59:58 < tomeaton17> I work with the f04 and that has a tiny flash so speed isnt really an issue for me. I like the look of the BMP because it can run a gdb serve
2017-12-07T13:03:25 < kOStiX> ive been working on this thing like for a year and half now, started with and f103 and latelly switched to a f407: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yuKwWiYtvk
2017-12-07T13:03:49 < karlp> Ecco: only matters for some things like high(er) speed tracing, and some things that are implemented by stepping and conditional breakpoints
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2017-12-07T13:07:29 < Ecco> ok, thanks :)
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2017-12-07T13:09:45 < invzim> he, pcbway wants 6.27usd for 100xSTM32F401VCT6 - normal digikey price for 100 is 4.59
2017-12-07T13:13:44 < dongs> 401 only RE is common in china
2017-12-07T13:13:57 < dongs> VC isn't so popular
2017-12-07T13:14:19 < kOStiX> and whats the cheapest 407 you know?
2017-12-07T13:14:25 < kOStiX> vet
2017-12-07T13:14:28 < dongs> the one on discovery
2017-12-07T13:14:36 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-12-07T13:14:39 < dongs> VE or VG or whatever it is
2017-12-07T13:14:43 < kOStiX> vet6
2017-12-07T13:15:18 < kOStiX> round 11 bucks a piece at mouser or something like that
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2017-12-07T13:17:31 < invzim> and yah, the quote was for TE original usb connectors at 1+usd piece
2017-12-07T13:17:36 < invzim> etc
2017-12-07T13:18:04 < invzim> guess I'll be blonde and just specify 'USB TYPE A' next time
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2017-12-07T13:48:03 < c10ud> meh, stlink converted to jlink complains too much if not used with st.. I guess this can't work
2017-12-07T13:48:37 < c10ud> and with complains I mean threats and annoying messages lol
2017-12-07T13:49:18 < PaulFertser> c10ud: with openocd it shouldn't complain
2017-12-07T13:49:19 < jpa-> "stop using me now or i'll flash stdperiph and enable permanent write protect"
2017-12-07T13:50:18 < c10ud> PaulFertser, I think I fucked up when I updated jlink dll to 8.2 or so, this is gonna be used with AtmelStudio (because, meh.)
2017-12-07T13:50:40 < c10ud> pro stm32 deving is done with keil free lol
2017-12-07T13:53:29 < tomeaton17> Has anyone tried flashing black magic probe with dfu util onto a bluepill before? I am getting this error when trying to do so and I dont get it :/ https://i.imgur.com/8RUFARd.png
2017-12-07T13:53:58 < dongs> looks like youve discovered that BMP is fucking cancer
2017-12-07T13:54:07 < dongs> enjoy your locked chip
2017-12-07T13:54:22 < tomeaton17> Lol its just a bluepill I wanted to evaluate it
2017-12-07T13:54:29 < tomeaton17> So for my evaluation is pretty trash
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2017-12-07T13:59:45 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: probably it complains because the chip claims it has only 64k memory and you need to override that somehow?
2017-12-07T14:00:36 < zyp> claims where?
2017-12-07T14:00:49 < tomeaton17> PaulFerster: Hmm, I am pretty sure this whole thing is designed for the bluepill so it should just work
2017-12-07T14:00:56 < zyp> but yeah, looks like firmware is just too big to fit in 64k
2017-12-07T14:01:03 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: well, you tell it to start at 0x2000 so...
2017-12-07T14:01:26 < zyp> PaulFertser, of course it does, bootloader takes first 0x2000
2017-12-07T14:01:26 < PaulFertser> zyp: not sure, probably the flashed bootloader itself has that hardcoded.
2017-12-07T14:01:46 < zyp> well
2017-12-07T14:01:57 < zyp> first of all, how big flash does the chip actually have?
2017-12-07T14:01:57 < PaulFertser> zyp: so even though the firmware is less than 64k it doesn't fit because the bootloader takes first 0x2000, that was my point.
2017-12-07T14:02:23 < PaulFertser> zyp: it's commonly assumed all 64k flash chips have 128k flash.
2017-12-07T14:02:28 < zyp> PaulFertser, ah, yes, I agree on that
2017-12-07T14:03:38 < tomeaton17> okay so what do you recommend I do?
2017-12-07T14:04:22 < zyp> well, you have two options
2017-12-07T14:04:41 < zyp> trim the firmware to make it all fit in 64k
2017-12-07T14:04:59 < zyp> or if you have more flash, modify whatever check that prevents you from using all of it
2017-12-07T14:06:11 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: in stm32/dfucore.c in get_dev_unique_id make it ignore FLASH_SIZE_R and hardcode 128k there.
2017-12-07T14:06:35 < tomeaton17> Im pretty sure the chip does have 128K flash but its not tested by ST
2017-12-07T14:07:25 < tomeaton17> PaulFerster: I dont know where to do that
2017-12-07T14:07:48 < dongs> in the sores
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2017-12-07T14:08:19 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: bmp sources
2017-12-07T14:08:27 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: how did you flash the dfu loader, where did you get it from?
2017-12-07T14:09:49 < tomeaton17> PaulFerster I got it from here https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic
2017-12-07T14:11:57 < tomeaton17> And then I flashed with stm32loader python script
2017-12-07T14:14:01 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: so, in the sources there's stm32/dfucore.c
2017-12-07T14:16:35 < tomeaton17> Okay I found it
2017-12-07T14:18:14 < tomeaton17> PaulFertser: So what must I change? https://gist.github.com/tomeaton17/4059ef009253ea3dfe2748459e82550e
2017-12-07T14:18:19 < jpa-> i just do  LDFLAGS = $(LDFLAGS_BOOT) -Wl,-Ttext=0x8000000  in Makefile and use bmp without bootloader
2017-12-07T14:18:22 < jpa-> then it fits in 64k
2017-12-07T14:18:28 < PaulFertser> Or that, yes
2017-12-07T14:18:36 < PaulFertser> But upgrading becomes more pain then
2017-12-07T14:19:05 < zyp> not something you do often if you only dick around with old chips
2017-12-07T14:19:33 < PaulFertser> hm, the tomeaton17's link actually tells it already includes that hack. But are you tomeaton17 using a bootloader compiled from that source?
2017-12-07T14:19:53 < tomeaton17> Yeah, I compiled it and then flashed it
2017-12-07T14:20:52 < tomeaton17> I tried on 2 bluepills and then same
2017-12-07T14:21:10 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: "For F103C8 devices, user has to give the force option to dfu-utils."
2017-12-07T14:22:30 < tomeaton17> okay
2017-12-07T14:23:06 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: probably related: https://sourceforge.net/p/dfu-util/tickets/44/
2017-12-07T14:26:15 < tomeaton17> There doesnt seem to be a force option as a parameter for the command
2017-12-07T14:27:23 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: it tells it can be specified at the same place as leave.
2017-12-07T14:28:12 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: so leave,force
2017-12-07T14:28:17 < tomeaton17> okay
2017-12-07T14:29:46 < tomeaton17> PaulFerster: It says invalid dfuse modifier if I do both
2017-12-07T14:30:49 < PaulFertser> Try just force then
2017-12-07T14:32:17 < tomeaton17> No it doesnt like that.
2017-12-07T14:32:42 < tomeaton17> Operators are seperated by a colon so I tried that but it still says not writeable
2017-12-07T14:32:52 < PaulFertser> Hm, it says separate with colon, so :, not comma.
2017-12-07T14:33:39 < tomeaton17> Yeah I tried leave:force and it didnt give a dfuse error, just gave the writeable error again. damn
2017-12-07T14:34:26 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: try with that patch applied
2017-12-07T14:34:29 < PaulFertser> From the ticket
2017-12-07T14:35:00 < PaulFertser> Or try to mass-erase it first
2017-12-07T14:35:04 < PaulFertser> Then flash bootloader again
2017-12-07T14:35:07 < PaulFertser> Then try force
2017-12-07T14:35:15 < PaulFertser> Should be easier than recompiling dfu-util probably.
2017-12-07T14:35:42 < tomeaton17> okay
2017-12-07T14:40:17 < tomeaton17> I just mass erased I will try flashing now
2017-12-07T14:45:10 < tomeaton17> Nope it still says the error :/
2017-12-07T14:46:00 < dongs> given the extremely long times needed for Bluetooth implementation and certification. Just getting a list of the requirements for the certification would have taken between 4 and 6 weeks, on top of the actual certification time.
2017-12-07T14:46:04 < dongs> haha wat
2017-12-07T14:46:18 < dongs> why does it take 4 weeks to get a list of whats needed to certify jewtooth isnt that jsut a website visit awy
2017-12-07T14:47:07 < aandrew> weird
2017-12-07T14:47:16 < dongs> its a dickstarter after all
2017-12-07T14:47:46 < aandrew> pin PB22 on SAMD51J19 has *no* function relating to clocks or debug, but if I lift that pin off the board I cannot connect to SWD
2017-12-07T14:48:03 < dongs> nice
2017-12-07T14:48:04 < aandrew> and the best part is that the schematic is not exactly the same as the layout, it's a hand-ported netlist
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2017-12-07T14:48:19 < dongs> so how did y ou figure ito ut
2017-12-07T14:48:22 < dongs> was it nto soldered or something?
2017-12-07T14:49:17 < dongs>      Just to try to solve this huge problem, we developed 12 different boards and 8 totally different firmware versions. Every re-design cycle required new board design, new pcb production, new firmware, new microcomponents, new server engine, new app audio section, new sound library, and a new test cycle.
2017-12-07T14:49:23 < dongs> In shorter terms, at least 4 weeks of work were needed for each redesign.
2017-12-07T14:49:23 < dongs> haha
2017-12-07T14:49:39 < aandrew> no, B22 was selected as a UART TXD but the muxing does not allow for that pin to be used, so I moved the TXD function to A23 which can be.  A23 can also be XOSC1 pin (we're not using it) so to prevent B22 from interfering I lifted it off the board
2017-12-07T14:49:41 < karlp> wat are you reading?
2017-12-07T14:49:47 < dongs> a dickstarter, obviously
2017-12-07T14:49:51 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/olo3d/olo-the-first-ever-smartphone-3d-printer/posts/2060343
2017-12-07T14:50:10 < aandrew> I spent way too much time trying to figure out how to make sure XOSC1 was not being enabled because as someone here mentioned if the clock is stopped you won't be able to dick with the core
2017-12-07T14:50:22 < aandrew> finally out of frustration I tacked B22 back down on to the board and it magically worked
2017-12-07T14:50:25 < aandrew> like wtf
2017-12-07T14:50:32 < dongs> what else is on B22
2017-12-07T14:50:39 < dongs> and why was it lifted?
2017-12-07T14:50:42 < aandrew> dongs: bunch of stuff *can* be, but it's unused
2017-12-07T14:51:04 < aandrew> I lifted it off to prevent it from interfering with A23 which I routed to the UART header
2017-12-07T14:51:11 < aandrew> so instead of cutting the trace from B22 I just lifted B22
2017-12-07T14:51:24 < dongs> if it was unused why was it ground
2017-12-07T14:51:26 < dongs> ed
2017-12-07T14:51:26 < aandrew> dongs: what the fucking fuck project did you get involved in
2017-12-07T14:51:40 < aandrew> it's not grounded, it was going to the TXD pin of the pin header
2017-12-07T14:51:52 < dongs> so it was uart originally?
2017-12-07T14:51:54 < dongs> or you were gonna use it as one
2017-12-07T14:51:55 < aandrew> since B22 can't be used for uart TXD I moved that to A23
2017-12-07T14:52:00 < dongs> oic
2017-12-07T14:52:08 < aandrew> it was supposed to be but the guy who did the mux selection didn't read the ds correctly
2017-12-07T14:52:19 < aandrew> I don't blame him though, the chip is so fucking new that the docs aren't 100% right either
2017-12-07T14:52:31 < aandrew> nor is "atmel start" - it completely fucked up the clocking and PLL config
2017-12-07T14:53:12 < aandrew> 12 different boards, 8 different fw.. sounds like they didn't bother trying to take a step back and figuring things out
2017-12-07T14:53:20 < aandrew> I hope you got paid handsomely for each and every respin
2017-12-07T14:54:15 < dongs> also from the looks of it tehy're just fucking wiht analog front end?
2017-12-07T14:54:19 < dongs> how fucking hard was it to just prototype some shit
2017-12-07T14:54:26 < dongs> instead of like, redoing everything lol
2017-12-07T14:55:29 < dongs> . In place of the continuous reset, we implemented an "audio conditioner" consisting of an "audio signal polarization circuit," which allowed us to use a sinusoidal wave instead of a square wave from the phone. With this, we could use a considerably lower threshold, making it compatible with all phones. Through a zero-crossing high-speed comparator, the sinusoidal wave is converted to a rectangular wave with the same frequency.
2017-12-07T14:56:56 < dongs> Unfortunately, in recent weeks, we had conducted a series of tests on a sample of 50 pre-production boards, finding some defects on the command interpretation with apparently no explanation. It was not possible to track the source of the problem and to link the error to a particular smartphone model or operating system version: the problem seemed completely random.
2017-12-07T14:57:01 < dongs> Lol
2017-12-07T14:59:51 < c10ud> wut is dat
2017-12-07T15:06:17 < qyx> a noise
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2017-12-07T15:26:30 < dongs> i think tehy're failing to implement 300 baud modem
2017-12-07T15:36:27 < tomeaton17> Well I managed to get BMP on the bluepill and it works good, but somehow managed to kill the target bluepill in the process..
2017-12-07T15:38:16 < jpa-> in what way is it killed?
2017-12-07T15:38:40 < jpa-> try mass erasing it (mon erase_mass)
2017-12-07T15:39:16 < tomeaton17> In the way that it draws 2 amps when connected to the power supply.
2017-12-07T15:39:35 < jpa-> ok :)
2017-12-07T15:40:45 < tomeaton17> Yeah i think its dead idk how I managed that. I have got lots more so will try with those.
2017-12-07T15:41:07 < emeryth> free software kills
2017-12-07T15:42:38 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: so what was the trick to flash BMP?
2017-12-07T15:44:04 < tomeaton17> PaulFerster: There was a script in the script folder called stm32_mem.py and I flashed with that and it worked
2017-12-07T15:44:13 < tomeaton17> I guess that script doesnt care about memory restrictions
2017-12-07T15:47:31 < PaulFertser> thnx
2017-12-07T15:57:33 < srk> tomeaton17: so you can flash 64kb variants?
2017-12-07T16:13:42 < tomeaton17> srk: Yes, but the stm32 I have actually has 128kb but officially it has 64kb so you can just ovveride st's locking and use the other 64kb
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2017-12-07T16:23:21 < srk> tomeaton17: I see, I have one f4 disco I cannot flash as it says it's only 64kb
2017-12-07T16:23:25 < srk> might be that case as well
2017-12-07T16:23:46 < srk> also f3 disco iirc
2017-12-07T16:25:11 < tomeaton17> srk: Okay well you will have to look at those chips to see if the substrate actually has 128kb on it, if not then i dont think its possible.
2017-12-07T16:26:15 < karlp> I don't think any of the f4 discos or f3s ever came with only 64kb flash
2017-12-07T16:27:12 < srk> karlp: yeah, I've heard the same
2017-12-07T16:29:11 < srk> tomeaton17: but didn't managed to force dfu to write it anyway
2017-12-07T16:30:09 < tomeaton17> srk: Yeah I couldnt do it with dfu, I would recommend using the stm32_mem.py script
2017-12-07T16:30:15 < srk> cool
2017-12-07T16:30:31 < srk> so, I'm looking at two discos, they both have stm32 f103c8t6s
2017-12-07T16:30:52 < srk> one is rev B which refuses to cooperate, one is rev C
2017-12-07T16:31:08 < karlp> hang on, you're talking about the stlink end.
2017-12-07T16:31:16 < karlp> thats different again :)
2017-12-07T16:31:34 < srk> how come
2017-12-07T16:32:35 < srk> I did sleep like 4 hours in past 48 so it's a bit harder today
2017-12-07T16:33:04 < tomeaton17> Because you will be flashing the stlink STM32 not the main one that you upload code to
2017-12-07T16:33:11 < srk> sure
2017-12-07T16:33:14 < tomeaton17> So yeah just use that script and it should be fine
2017-12-07T16:33:38 < tomeaton17> I have it working on that stm32 variant
2017-12-07T16:33:39 < srk> I've did that number of times already, but one board didn't work, gonna try that with the script
2017-12-07T16:33:45 < srk> nice!
2017-12-07T16:34:05 < srk> I have my BMP writeup here https://wiki.base48.cz/STM32#Black_Magic_probe
2017-12-07T16:34:12 < tomeaton17> Did you upload the blackmagic_dfu.bin already?
2017-12-07T16:34:17 < srk> but didn't know about stm32_mem trick, helpful
2017-12-07T16:34:18 < srk> yup
2017-12-07T16:35:08 < tomeaton17> srk: see this https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/blob/master/src/platforms/stlink/Flashsize_F103
2017-12-07T16:35:31 < tomeaton17> I didnt bother with the dfu stuff just used the script
2017-12-07T16:35:50 < srk> tomeaton17: thanks again, you saved this poor board
2017-12-07T16:36:31 < tomeaton17> nice, did you get it working?
2017-12-07T16:37:06 < srk> not yet, too wasted to do anything except smoking and trying to figure out some ADC weirdness
2017-12-07T16:38:31 < srk> I pretty confident it will work though
2017-12-07T16:45:39 < jadew> UPS guy said he'll be here in a couple of minutes
2017-12-07T16:45:57 < jadew> after an hour and a half I gave up waiting by the window
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2017-12-07T16:58:46 < dongs> BREAKING: Keffiyeh-wearing Palestinian man shouts 'Allahu Akbar', smashes window of Kosher restaurant in Amsterdam
2017-12-07T17:02:08 < jadew> at least he didn't explode
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2017-12-07T17:03:03 < englishman> i do the same thing when the lineup for shawarma is too long
2017-12-07T17:03:35 < jadew> we have the best shawarma place
2017-12-07T17:04:16 < jadew> if there's a 20 people lineup, you'll probably have your shawarma in the next 3-4 minutes
2017-12-07T17:08:14 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-12-07T17:08:24 < Laurenceb_> dongs confirmed as zionist
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2017-12-07T17:35:57 < srk> ADCs.. I've found out that if I change plck2 divider from 1 to 2 I get different readings
2017-12-07T17:36:25 < srk> which is weird as my input is thermistor + divider which shouldn't change too much
2017-12-07T17:41:47 < srk> with pclk2 at 2 I get 3.11V vs 3.16V at pclk2 at 1
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2017-12-07T17:44:54 < srk> yeah, depends on cap
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2017-12-07T17:58:49 < jpa-> srk: is your sample time too short?
2017-12-07T17:59:30 < srk> jpa-: default, only 3 cycles
2017-12-07T17:59:44 < srk> would voltage follower help?
2017-12-07T18:01:21 < jpa-> nah, add a capacitor on the input pin or increase sample time
2017-12-07T18:01:39 < jpa-> the ADC has an internal 4pF sample capacitor so you can calculate how long it takes to settle
2017-12-07T18:02:01 < srk> aha! 4pF is it
2017-12-07T18:02:03 < jpa-> voltage follower is overkill
2017-12-07T18:02:03 < srk> cool, thanks
2017-12-07T18:02:09 < jpa-> datasheet tells
2017-12-07T18:02:14 < srk> missed that one
2017-12-07T18:04:12 < qyx> theres also an AN "increasing stm32 adc accuracy"
2017-12-07T18:04:25 < qyx> it mentions all those things
2017-12-07T18:04:27 < srk> yeah, got that one open
2017-12-07T18:04:49 < qyx> AN2834
2017-12-07T18:05:55 < Laurenceb_> >"Normality" should return shortly.
2017-12-07T18:05:59 < Laurenceb_> erm this is irc
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2017-12-07T18:37:16 < Laurenceb_> srk: in my experience ST ADC is very good, unlike other manufacturers, ST tells the truth about ENOB
2017-12-07T18:37:44 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting about 19ENOB at 60sps out of oversampled F1 ADC in one application
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2017-12-07T18:45:18 < srk> Laurenceb_: yeah, this is mostly my poor understanding of RLC and ADCs
2017-12-07T18:46:35 < karlp> lolrence: you bitched and moaned about f3 and f4 adcs though didn't you?
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2017-12-07T19:18:30 < tomeaton17> Does anybody know if its possible to flash a .bin file onto an STM32 using gdb
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2017-12-07T19:21:11 < jpa-> tomeaton17: 'help restore'
2017-12-07T19:21:41 < jpa-> other option is to convert it to .elf with objcopy
2017-12-07T19:27:43 < tomeaton17> jpa-: Hmm okay, objcopy looks good
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2017-12-07T19:28:57 < englishman> http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitcoin-mine-canada-1.4436149
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2017-12-07T19:46:09 < Steffanx> englishman: my condolences.
2017-12-07T19:46:23 < englishman> im going to get RICH by sending all my money to china dammit
2017-12-07T19:47:51 < Steffanx> I was more refering to this Canadian actress died. and i read she's not the first one that died lately.
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2017-12-07T19:48:06 < Steffanx> *that died
2017-12-07T19:48:12 < englishman> oh yes tragic
2017-12-07T19:48:21 < englishman> twitter abuse is real
2017-12-07T19:48:46 < Steffanx> its even news in dutchland -_-
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2017-12-07T20:07:29 < upgrdman> wtf. BSOD three times now when closing TeraTerm that is connected to an FTDI serial port
2017-12-07T20:07:45 < upgrdman> just update ftdi drivers, lets hope they were the cause :/
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2017-12-07T20:43:43 < fenugrec> what cheap chinese/knockoff IC manufacturer name starts with an "F"
2017-12-07T20:50:49 < Lux> does bitcoin actually make more money now than what the electricity costs you ?
2017-12-07T20:51:42 < srk> there wouldn't be any miners otherwise
2017-12-07T20:52:03 < srk> old mining hardware is not profitable anymore but you can still use it as cheap heating
2017-12-07T20:52:17 < Lux> yeah if you heat electrically it makes sense
2017-12-07T20:52:30 < Lux> apparently you make quite a profit atm: https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/btc?HashingPower=4730&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=1293&CostPerkWh=0.12
2017-12-07T20:52:38 < Lux> but no where near to what it used to be
2017-12-07T20:52:51 < srk> I'm heating with gtx1070 :D
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2017-12-07T21:07:57 < Laurenceb_> <karlp> yeah early F3 and F4 ADCs were shit
2017-12-07T21:08:05 < Laurenceb_> seems to be pretty much fixed now
2017-12-07T21:14:01 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/YxfnNF8
2017-12-07T21:14:16 < Laurenceb_> latest freecad is capable of being useful
2017-12-07T21:27:33 < englishman> are there any ngff-usb adpaters yet
2017-12-07T21:27:56 < englishman> for the real pcie ones
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2017-12-07T21:29:48 < Laurenceb_> I did manage to fix early F4 with a rolling median filter
2017-12-07T21:29:57 < Laurenceb_> but that ate cpu at high sample rates
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2017-12-07T21:50:57 < invzim> headscratch
2017-12-07T21:51:02 < invzim> http://www.cui.com/product/resource/rcj-04x.pdf
2017-12-07T21:51:36 < invzim> what's the idea with the 2 square pegs/cutouts - hang outside the pcb?
2017-12-07T21:52:59 < Cracki> mechanical stability
2017-12-07T21:53:33 < invzim> yeah but how.. cutouts on the actual pcb edge?
2017-12-07T21:53:45 < Cracki> needn't be on the edge
2017-12-07T21:54:38 < invzim> so pull the whole thing back? doesn't make sense either
2017-12-07T21:55:02 < zyp> is this the first time you see a connector with positioning pins?
2017-12-07T21:55:33 < invzim> in that place yes
2017-12-07T21:55:51 < zyp> why does it matter where it is?
2017-12-07T21:56:19 < invzim> just strikes me as odd
2017-12-07T21:58:40 < BrainDamage> less drilling necessary
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2017-12-07T22:06:08 < jpa-> a bit strange drawing though, as it doesn't give the actual dimensions of the pins
2017-12-07T22:06:49 < jpa-> and the square hole won't have perfectly sharp corners
2017-12-07T22:06:56 < invzim> PITA, non-plated pad doesn't propagate easily to board outine it seems
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2017-12-07T23:04:52 < karlp> jpa-: bottom left?
2017-12-07T23:04:54 < karlp> what am I missing?
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2017-12-07T23:49:34 < BrainDamage> spotted dongs' car https://twitter.com/Hazukari/status/938846380759638016
2017-12-07T23:53:14 < karlp> killallweebs is nice
2017-12-07T23:53:42 < karlp> they added a wrx badge to their forrester? sweet
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2017-12-08T00:18:31 < jadew> woop woop http://188.25.32.228/stuff/20171208_000501.jpg
2017-12-08T00:19:35 < jadew> just showing off my new toy :D
2017-12-08T00:22:06 < jadew> bought it broken
2017-12-08T00:22:27 < karlp> how much work did it take?
2017-12-08T00:23:27 < jadew> I spent maybe 5 hours cleaning it up, because it was really dirty on the outside
2017-12-08T00:23:28 < jadew> and about 10 minutes making a new cable from rigid coax, because I discovered it was missing one, when I was cleaning it up
2017-12-08T00:23:37 < jadew> then I powered it up and it just worked :D
2017-12-08T00:23:43 < Laurenceb_> is there a way to output all attempted file accesses on lunix?
2017-12-08T00:24:02 < Laurenceb_> some shit running in wine is looking in the wrong directory for stuff and I need to debug
2017-12-08T00:24:21 < BrainDamage> lsof
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2017-12-08T00:25:09 < kakimir> jadew: do you fly space ship with that?
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2017-12-08T00:25:20 < kakimir> into worm hole
2017-12-08T00:25:20 < jadew> kakimir, haha
2017-12-08T00:25:37 < BrainDamage> it's a smith chart plot
2017-12-08T00:25:56 < karlp> BrainDamage: that's not really the same thing, (lsof vs attempted file opennings)
2017-12-08T00:26:03 < BrainDamage> mmm
2017-12-08T00:26:13 < karlp> you can strace it and watch for file open attempts, but I don't know of anything magical system wide,
2017-12-08T00:26:13 < BrainDamage> then there was another utility to check system calls
2017-12-08T00:26:19 < jadew> I need a decent cal set now
2017-12-08T00:26:36 < karlp> but to just generically list all attempted file access? you'd probably want hooks in the filesystem layer.
2017-12-08T00:27:01 < karlp> I know you can do with fuse stuff, but I don't think any of the normal filesystems would have it available turned on standard, it would be far too intrusive
2017-12-08T00:27:49 < Laurenceb_> I'll try lsof
2017-12-08T00:28:42 < karlp> am I on mute?
2017-12-08T00:28:42 < karlp> that does a ls open files...
2017-12-08T00:28:45 < BrainDamage> you could probably inotify watch every single folder in your fs and list for open attemps, but espect a lot of nois
2017-12-08T00:28:50 < karlp> it won't tell you shit about files that they failed to open.
2017-12-08T00:28:58 < karlp> BrainDamage: *shudders*
2017-12-08T00:29:09 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-12-08T00:29:19 < karlp> you can strace a running process,
2017-12-08T00:29:24 < Laurenceb_> yeah ok none of this is helping
2017-12-08T00:29:26 < Laurenceb_> alright
2017-12-08T00:29:31 < karlp> it's going to be noisy too, but it will show you whatt's trying to do.
2017-12-08T00:29:32 < BrainDamage> strace is best if you know the pid
2017-12-08T00:29:38 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-12-08T00:30:25 < Laurenceb_> hmm only the FEA program is separate
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2017-12-08T00:37:02 < Laurenceb_> looks like a wine issue
2017-12-08T00:37:20 < Laurenceb_> but I have 0 clue where its actually looking for the file
2017-12-08T00:39:03 < BrainDamage> ok, stupid question that I'll almost certainly regret asking
2017-12-08T00:39:09 < BrainDamage> weren't you using freecad
2017-12-08T00:39:13 < BrainDamage> if so, why whine
2017-12-08T00:39:49 < Laurenceb_> because I have an old distro
2017-12-08T00:39:54 < Laurenceb_> and want to run latest freecad
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2017-12-08T00:39:59 < Laurenceb_> this was a bad idea...
2017-12-08T00:40:06 < BrainDamage> yup, regretting asking already
2017-12-08T00:40:33 < Laurenceb_>  *ERROR in openfile: input file Box_Mesh.inp does not exist
2017-12-08T00:40:36 < Laurenceb_> so useful
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2017-12-08T01:47:55 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/M-key-NVME-PCI-Express-M-2-SSD-HDD-Enclosure-USB3-0-to-PCI-e-3/32790143462.html
2017-12-08T01:48:03 < englishman> the only one that seems to exist
2017-12-08T01:48:38 < karlp> you wanted _that_ way?
2017-12-08T01:48:42 < englishman> yea
2017-12-08T01:48:59 < karlp> oh, I was thinking the other way, you wanted to get a usb host port out of the slot
2017-12-08T01:49:03 < englishman> oooohhh
2017-12-08T01:49:32 < englishman> i think that would be somewhat easier. but also dumb since you could just get a usb3 pcie expansion card
2017-12-08T01:49:51 < karlp> do people really have many m2 ssds lying around they want to connect and just not hve an m2 slot around?
2017-12-08T01:50:03 < englishman> apparently not
2017-12-08T01:50:04 < karlp> yeah, but pcie to usb3 is not the same as the usb pins on the slot...
2017-12-08T01:50:22 < karlp> I mean, for many purposes it's the same or better, sure,
2017-12-08T01:50:22 < karlp> but, depends what yu'ðre doing I guess.
2017-12-08T01:50:26 < karlp> those slots get abused a lot
2017-12-08T01:50:26 < englishman> but it's handy to not have to shutdown and reboot etc
2017-12-08T01:51:24 < englishman> and also to use on a laptop
2017-12-08T01:52:19 < MrMobius> hello dongtards
2017-12-08T01:52:30 < MrMobius> anyone want to download my app and/or buy bitcoins from me?
2017-12-08T01:52:32 < MrMobius> http://ftreporter.com/a-vampire-malware-that-mines-digital-money-on-mobile-devices-was-found/
2017-12-08T02:00:35 < oz4ga> lol
2017-12-08T02:07:59 < Laurenceb_> reeeee
2017-12-08T02:07:59 < Laurenceb_> uk MOT test database is now restricted access
2017-12-08T02:08:06 < Laurenceb_> my no 1 stalking app no longer works
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2017-12-08T02:09:05 < Laurenceb_> you have been able to convert numberplates to owners address with simple database query for past 6 months
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2017-12-08T04:09:43 < Laurenceb_> Young men, how do you reconcile your bigoted views with logic, reason and evidence?
2017-12-08T04:30:44 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/i1d74a41pj201.jpg
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2017-12-08T05:43:12 < upgrdman> found crt   https://i.imgur.com/kgPysIt.gifv
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2017-12-08T05:58:42 < dongs> https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-07/firefighters-spend-hour-freeing-youtube-prankster-who-cemented-head-in-microwave/ found Laurenceb
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2017-12-08T06:54:33 < englishman> Autocorrect nightmare: Typo in Bill C-45 legalizes cannibalism instead of cannabis
2017-12-08T06:55:27 < Ultrasauce> glad my vice is finally seeing some modern legislation
2017-12-08T06:56:01 < Ultrasauce> DARE never warned me about prions though
2017-12-08T06:56:48 < englishman> Ultrasauce: got a key in my box but there was nothing in the box
2017-12-08T06:56:53 < englishman> much rage
2017-12-08T06:57:11 < Ultrasauce> i still didnt get my damn phone
2017-12-08T06:57:32 < englishman> Damn man why didn't you get the dhl
2017-12-08T06:57:39 < Ultrasauce> cause i'm retarded
2017-12-08T06:58:11 < englishman> I'm waiting on a slow boat pkg from them for cheap junk too
2017-12-08T06:58:16 < Ultrasauce> https://salmonelladub.bandcamp.com/track/push-on-thru-2 tonight's musicspam
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2017-12-08T07:57:09 < MrMobius> I dont know how much more c# shittiness I can take
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2017-12-08T08:18:32 < Rickta59> heh .. why the millenial hate? * just noticed the topic
2017-12-08T08:23:52 < englishman> do you really have to ask why
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2017-12-08T09:02:11 < jpa-> karlp: bottom left is suggested pcb layout, and atleast the round holes there are larger than the pins
2017-12-08T09:03:14 < jpa-> karlp: from some other datasheet with similar looking part the square pegs are actually 1.5x1.5mm, so one has to have quite sharp corners in a 1.7x1.7mm hole for them to fit :)
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2017-12-08T09:12:34 < capacitor> steffan
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2017-12-08T09:24:30 < capacitor> ROBOCUCK
2017-12-08T09:25:25 < capacitor> i would like to retrieve steffan
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2017-12-08T10:15:43 < capacitor> welcome fleck
2017-12-08T10:18:05 < Fleck> stvn!
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2017-12-08T10:20:38 < capacitor> how are you today fleck?
2017-12-08T10:20:53 < Fleck> as every day - awesome!
2017-12-08T10:21:02 < capacitor> that is great!
2017-12-08T10:21:08 < capacitor> glad to see somebody is happy here!!!
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2017-12-08T10:50:38 < tomeaton17> Hey guys does anyone know how to load a .bin file onto a stm32 using gdb?
2017-12-08T10:53:17 < zyp> why .bin? you don't have the .elf?
2017-12-08T10:54:36 < tomeaton17> zyp: No, I am trying to flash black magic probe onto a stlink clone and they just give .bin files
2017-12-08T10:55:00 < zyp> no, the elf files are still there, they just don't use the .elf prefix
2017-12-08T10:55:12 < zyp> IIRC the main firmware elf is just named "blackmagic"
2017-12-08T10:55:45 < tomeaton17> okay I will try that
2017-12-08T10:59:00 < tomeaton17> Nice I can load the file in gdb, but when trying to download to board it says Error erasing flash with vFlashErase packet
2017-12-08T11:05:43 < zyp> if you've written blackmagic bootloader to it previously, it has probably write protected some sectors
2017-12-08T11:06:29 < zyp> do a mass erase of the target chip before you try writing it
2017-12-08T11:06:37 < tomeaton17> ok
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2017-12-08T11:25:03 < tomeaton17> Eh I couldnt get it working. Gonna get a jlink instead
2017-12-08T11:25:55 < dongs> yeah fuck trying to unprotect fagmagic
2017-12-08T11:26:06 < dongs> i just tossed the fucking boards that got write protected cuz there was no way to undo them
2017-12-08T11:26:11 < dongs> the fucking thing would re-protect on each boot
2017-12-08T11:26:22 < dongs> opensores virus
2017-12-08T11:30:49 < zyp> haha
2017-12-08T11:31:12 < zyp> I think I unprotected and reflashed it once without problems
2017-12-08T11:32:37 < tomeaton17> I would be able to flash if I had another stlink v2 its just horrible doing it with another bmp device
2017-12-08T11:34:21 < zyp> oh, wait, mass erase doesn't disable write protection
2017-12-08T11:34:45 < tomeaton17> yeah I tried doing that with setting the option bytes and apparently it was unset but I still couldnt write
2017-12-08T11:35:25 < tomeaton17> will segger get toxic if I get an edu jlink for non edu usage
2017-12-08T11:35:44 < dongs> they dont "care". it will display a box every 24 hours warning you about it.
2017-12-08T11:35:56 < dongs> you'll be breaking the license terms
2017-12-08T11:36:39 < tomeaton17> alright, the commerical one is around 5x the price
2017-12-08T11:39:15 < tomeaton17> But if I say to the boss that we're breaking some licence shit they may get it
2017-12-08T11:58:49 < dongs> jlink base is not THAT bad is it
2017-12-08T11:59:07 < dongs> oh,m 500bucks
2017-12-08T11:59:08 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-08T12:00:13 < dongs> 400
2017-12-08T12:00:17 < dongs> on digikey
2017-12-08T12:02:05 < tomeaton17> Well for an intern that may be hard to authorise
2017-12-08T12:05:50 < karlp> what's wrong with just stlink? cheap, works for lots of pro stuff as is.
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2017-12-08T12:15:20 < tomeaton17> karlp: I broke my stlink clone too easily. I could try the offical one but I want to try a different system while I can
2017-12-08T12:15:31 < tomeaton17> The boss has got me one
2017-12-08T12:16:16  * karlp doesn't really understand stlink clones.
2017-12-08T12:16:30 < karlp> you get a nucleo or a disco for what you're working on, comes with the debugger. done.
2017-12-08T12:16:33 < qyx> why are you using clones when you can get $10 nucleo or discover yboard
2017-12-08T12:16:50 < tomeaton17> Because I already have a pcb with my chip on
2017-12-08T12:17:04 < tomeaton17> I used those little gold usb stlink v2 clones but I have broke a few accidentally
2017-12-08T12:17:05 < karlp> soyou bought marginal cquality clone shit, and complained when it broke,
2017-12-08T12:17:16 < karlp> and now you want to buy a 400 debugger instead?
2017-12-08T12:17:17 < tomeaton17> Yeah, so now I am getting quality stuff
2017-12-08T12:17:24 < qyx> wat
2017-12-08T12:17:29 < karlp> yeah, wat
2017-12-08T12:17:37 < tomeaton17> Whats the problem
2017-12-08T12:17:50 < qyx> get a nucleo, it doesn't break and works
2017-12-08T12:17:52 < Fleck> knowing tomeaton17, he's gonna burn that one too
2017-12-08T12:17:52 < karlp> you're overlooking just getting an actual stlink,
2017-12-08T12:17:55 < karlp> it doesn't break
2017-12-08T12:17:56 < qyx> manufactured by stm
2017-12-08T12:18:00 < tomeaton17> Fleck: lol
2017-12-08T12:18:02 < Fleck> that is not a quality problem
2017-12-08T12:18:18 < Fleck> have my stlink clone working for 3yrs, no problem at all!
2017-12-08T12:18:22 < karlp> if you're breaking _multiple_ stlnks alady, I don't know how you're going to not break a jlink
2017-12-08T12:18:29 < Fleck> not just stlinks :D
2017-12-08T12:18:34 < Fleck> buch of mcus too
2017-12-08T12:18:43 < tomeaton17> well not a bunch, 2
2017-12-08T12:18:54 < qyx> I have never broken a single one
2017-12-08T12:18:59 < tomeaton17> And those tssop 20s are fragile
2017-12-08T12:19:05  * karlp spews coffee out his nose
2017-12-08T12:19:14 < Fleck> ;p
2017-12-08T12:19:16 < qyx> what are ou doing with them?
2017-12-08T12:19:26 < tomeaton17> playing football with them
2017-12-08T12:19:32 < BrainDamage> thanks, i had a shitty morning, the comedy is a welcome distraction
2017-12-08T12:20:15 < tomeaton17> Okay the first mcu was broken because I accidentally put 16v through it. The other one broke during soldering
2017-12-08T12:20:22 < tomeaton17> And as for the stlink clone that just stopped working
2017-12-08T12:21:01 < qyx> I am doing a quick howto
2017-12-08T12:21:40 < tomeaton17> And also I am not getting the 400$ jlink I am getting the edu one
2017-12-08T12:21:58 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/VZYi9Wl.jpg
2017-12-08T12:22:03 < qyx> this is how the nucleo is used
2017-12-08T12:23:17 < tomeaton17> Okay well put it this way, If you had the chance to use the nicest equipment if you could you would right? I am just an intern so I am trying to get the most experience with different systems as I can. I have already used stlink so I want to try something else
2017-12-08T12:23:33 < karlp> do you have an inability to trace your system? you'
2017-12-08T12:23:38 < karlp> re not going to see _any_ difference.
2017-12-08T12:23:50 < karlp> it provides a debug interface, nothing more.
2017-12-08T12:25:07 < tomeaton17> It will also be faster
2017-12-08T12:25:18 < karlp> only for things that you were limited by before...
2017-12-08T12:25:31 < karlp> and that's not really as many things as you might think.
2017-12-08T12:25:56 < karlp> there's a reason we don't all go around in f1 cars.
2017-12-08T12:25:56 < tomeaton17> Hmm okay well maybe its not necessary
2017-12-08T12:27:10 < tomeaton17> Yeah, but if you had the chance to get a ferrari for free most people would
2017-12-08T12:27:59 < karlp> you're not getting it for free
2017-12-08T12:28:10 < karlp> you're using up political capital with your boss on something that you could use on something else
2017-12-08T12:30:55 < tomeaton17> Yeah you are talking a lot of sense karlp.
2017-12-08T12:31:29 < tomeaton17> I think I will give the jlink a miss then
2017-12-08T12:32:16 < tomeaton17> So you recommend an offical stlink instead?
2017-12-08T12:40:04 < oz4ga> tomeaton17: Why don't you listen to karlp? Get a $10 Nucleo board. IT has an official stlink. You can reflash it to segger edu if you must try to work w. segger. When that gets borring, you can flash it back to stlink. There is a utility in the Segger Jlink software package called STlinkreflask that will do this for you
2017-12-08T12:41:09 < oz4ga> this util only works for the onboard stlinks ;)
2017-12-08T12:42:14 < karlp> official stlink is nice too, they're in a nice case, have a "standard" 20 pin connector
2017-12-08T12:42:25 < oz4ga> of cause
2017-12-08T12:45:02 < oz4ga> some how I most of the time end up using 4 dupond wires unless I'm working with a nucleo
2017-12-08T12:49:10 < Fleck> right? :P
2017-12-08T12:57:05 < tomeaton17> okay thanks guys
2017-12-08T12:57:23 < Fleck> I still haven't heard argument for not using clone stlink
2017-12-08T12:57:39 < tomeaton17> I can try jlink with the other one?
2017-12-08T12:59:59 < dongs> Dear Gary Niger, with all due respect, please allow me to introduce RWAY - the right way of electronic realization, in hope of possible partnership which, we think, you would be interested in based on our research.
2017-12-08T13:00:07 < dongs> oh my, where could they have possibly got my name from!
2017-12-08T13:00:15 < dongs> couldn't have been circuitmaker registration info!
2017-12-08T13:00:38 < dongs> fucking FAGGOTS
2017-12-08T13:02:48 < karlp> Fleck: well, I wouldn't bother with the savings myself, but I wouldn't have argued aginst them for anyone else, but tomeaton claimed to have already destroyed 2 of them, so was't really receptive to "just get another one and don't break it"
2017-12-08T13:04:08 < Fleck> well he is "known to burn" stuff so doesn't count
2017-12-08T13:04:15 < tomeaton17> :(
2017-12-08T13:04:36 < Fleck> you can burn 400$ stuff too :)
2017-12-08T13:05:12 < tomeaton17> I cant trust myself with that
2017-12-08T13:05:21 < Fleck> tomeaton17: no worries, some do that ;P
2017-12-08T13:05:50 < tomeaton17> I am just learning man
2017-12-08T13:05:50 < Fleck> tomeaton17: btw how many battery controliers died also?
2017-12-08T13:06:00 < tomeaton17> Fleck: BQ chips?
2017-12-08T13:06:03 < Fleck> yes
2017-12-08T13:06:07 < tomeaton17> Um
2017-12-08T13:06:19 < tomeaton17> I think just the one where the i2c was buggered
2017-12-08T13:06:26 < tomeaton17> maybe 2
2017-12-08T13:06:30 < Fleck> ;)
2017-12-08T13:07:04 < tomeaton17> I admit I destroy too many chips
2017-12-08T13:07:18 < tomeaton17> But I blame that on the fact I havent been properly educated on how not to yet
2017-12-08T13:07:51 < jadew> karlp, in regard to your question from yesterday, I'm still working on the VNA, turned out it has deeper issues that I have yet to track
2017-12-08T13:08:01 < jadew> still usable for some stuff tho
2017-12-08T13:09:12 < Fleck> tomeaton17: no worries, I don't blame you :)
2017-12-08T13:09:12 < oz4ga> get a jlink clone from aliexpress. Break it at you disgression. You may sleep better at night then :-P
2017-12-08T13:10:06 < Fleck> tomeaton17: as long as your boss is OK with that, all good! :)
2017-12-08T13:11:07 < oz4ga> tomeaton17's boss should pay for our popcorn when we read this :D
2017-12-08T13:11:19 < Fleck> ;p
2017-12-08T13:11:54 < qyx> you are not being helpful
2017-12-08T13:12:14 < Fleck> who? me?
2017-12-08T13:13:13 < BrainDamage> if it makes you feel better, once i burned a 1k$ SPAD by compulsively turning off the psu
2017-12-08T13:13:46 < Fleck> ouch
2017-12-08T13:16:03 < karlp> SPAD?
2017-12-08T13:16:12 < BrainDamage> single photon avalanche diode
2017-12-08T13:16:27 < BrainDamage> it's an APD specialized to work in bursts
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2017-12-08T13:17:43 < BrainDamage> they are delicate wallflowers, they require strong inverse polarization and you need to gently ramp it, no more than few V/s
2017-12-08T13:18:30 < BrainDamage> i programmed the instrumentation to make the ramp, but one day i was kinda distracted and i compulsively pressed standby when done
2017-12-08T13:18:45 < BrainDamage> and it got few douzens kV/s
2017-12-08T13:25:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0sxwA1cHDg&feature=gay&t=65
2017-12-08T13:45:29 < c10ud> a whole application full of ads and useless crap for video driver update... what a time to be alive
2017-12-08T13:52:18 < karlp> dongs: that's pretty fancy
2017-12-08T14:02:33 < dongs> c10ud: you mean nvidia drivers?
2017-12-08T14:38:56 < c10ud> dongs, exactly
2017-12-08T14:39:44 < c10ud> thank god for fake mails
2017-12-08T14:39:52 < dongs> what mails
2017-12-08T14:40:01 < dongs> i never needed to enter any emails to download nv drivers
2017-12-08T14:40:06 < dongs> and i dont install their gayforce expeirence
2017-12-08T14:40:29 < dongs> i just dont like that I have to donwload >400 megs and instantly delete >200 of that for gayforce experience shit
2017-12-08T14:40:34 < dongs> like, they should separate it or something.
2017-12-08T14:41:03 < c10ud> I've been too lazy to properly look into this, I was used to lunix drivers
2017-12-08T14:41:18 < c10ud> so I just update what was on the machine already
2017-12-08T14:59:53 < dongs> gah
2017-12-08T14:59:55 < dongs> fucking everlight
2017-12-08T15:00:08 < dongs> every datasheet has different pinout for thier 4 pin reverse mount leds
2017-12-08T15:00:09 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-12-08T15:00:20 < dongs> RGB and dual color shit have different pad numbering
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2017-12-08T15:17:59 < aandrew> dongs: why use 'em
2017-12-08T15:18:18 < dongs> why use whats, dual color?
2017-12-08T15:18:50 < aandrew> why use everlight
2017-12-08T15:19:24 < jadew> anyone here got access to a VNA? (preferably old)
2017-12-08T15:20:08 < jadew> I'm wondering if the transmission test port should be a good 50 Ohm, or if it's normal to be all over the place, given that it goes straight into a mixer (I think)
2017-12-08T15:22:21 < aandrew> BrainDamage: sounds like my first job
2017-12-08T15:22:34 < aandrew> older guy i was friends with worked there and got me the job
2017-12-08T15:23:00 < aandrew> the place was a tv repair shop by day and engineering co at night, they were developing PCMCIA video cards for presentations
2017-12-08T15:23:24 < aandrew> they had a 386 desktop with a special expansion card to give a PC a PCMCIA port (very little "special" about it, just wasn't common
2017-12-08T15:23:34 < aandrew> anyway dude pulls the expansion card out of the PC with the PC on
2017-12-08T15:23:47 < aandrew> I was like "uh, you can't do that, expansion cards aren't hotplug"
2017-12-08T15:23:58 < aandrew> dude blamed me for his fuckup
2017-12-08T15:24:13 < aandrew> since he was older, had wife+mortgage and was scared for his job and I was a 17yo kid
2017-12-08T15:24:39 < aandrew> he finally came clean about it but that was the last I did anything with him. fuck people like that
2017-12-08T15:26:41 < karlp> you've got to be fucking up pretty regularly to be fired for a fuckup too
2017-12-08T15:28:58 < aandrew> yeah
2017-12-08T15:29:30 < aandrew> he was a really smart guy, was unemployed for like 5y. not sure why, he wasn't autistic or an asshole or anything
2017-12-08T15:29:40 < aandrew> had no formal education but could figure shit out really well
2017-12-08T15:44:55 < dongs> i was working in this radioshack-like shop in alaska when i was like 13
2017-12-08T15:45:06 < dongs> and this one dude brought a bunch of porn .gifs on a floppy one day
2017-12-08T15:45:12 < dongs> and we were like whoa
2017-12-08T15:45:22 < dongs> and hten like 8 yearsr later i heard he got busted for cp
2017-12-08T15:46:30 < aandrew> lol
2017-12-08T15:46:35 < aandrew> console porn
2017-12-08T15:46:44 < aandrew> the kind they printed out with symbols on line printers
2017-12-08T15:47:09 < aandrew> I remember leisure suit larry
2017-12-08T15:47:12 < aandrew> EGA boobies
2017-12-08T15:47:47 < karlp> yeah, we printed out some big ascii thing on three or four sheets of dot matrix printer in the cs lab once.
2017-12-08T15:49:47 < dongs> pfft, when LSL came out i couldnt afford EGA yet
2017-12-08T15:49:55 < dongs> played that shit on glorious CGA
2017-12-08T15:49:58 < dongs> with pc speaker
2017-12-08T15:50:16 < aandrew> me either. dad only had a hercules card. my friend's dad had an ega (he did drafting)
2017-12-08T15:50:26 < aandrew> ati ega all in wonder IIRC
2017-12-08T15:54:28 < dongs> canadian trash
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2017-12-08T16:45:17 < tpw_rules> cga 4 lyf
2017-12-08T16:45:27 < tpw_rules> jadew: i do
2017-12-08T16:45:34 < tpw_rules> is an hp 8510B old enough
2017-12-08T16:51:49 < jadew> tpw_rules, do you know if the transmission port input (the one where you measure S21) should be a solid 50 Ohm?
2017-12-08T16:52:07 < jadew> mine seems to be all over the place: http://188.25.32.228/stuff/20171208_145801.jpg
2017-12-08T16:52:26 < tpw_rules> what analyzer is that?
2017-12-08T16:52:34 < jadew> 8752C
2017-12-08T16:52:44 < tpw_rules> mine looks the same except black and white
2017-12-08T16:52:49 < tpw_rules> i'm not sure though, i'm not that smart withit
2017-12-08T16:53:31 < tpw_rules> if there's some test you can devise, i can execute it
2017-12-08T16:53:38 < BrainDamage> ideally it should be constant
2017-12-08T16:53:50 < BrainDamage> calibration howrever compensates for non constant behaviour
2017-12-08T16:53:56 < jadew> tpw_rules, thanks
2017-12-08T16:54:08 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, but is it normal to be that bad?
2017-12-08T16:54:28 < BrainDamage> that being?
2017-12-08T16:54:59 < jadew> the image I linked
2017-12-08T16:54:59 < BrainDamage> i only see the span, not the vertical amplitude axis
2017-12-08T16:55:15 < BrainDamage> ah 10dB/square
2017-12-08T16:55:45 < BrainDamage> mmm, some components probably aged a bit
2017-12-08T16:56:00 < tpw_rules> jadew: i guarantee mine has an incorrect calibration
2017-12-08T16:56:02 < BrainDamage> 10dB over such huge range is not that absurd
2017-12-08T16:56:16 < BrainDamage> 20 is more of a consequence of the age
2017-12-08T16:56:29 < jadew> BrainDamage, I see, thanks
2017-12-08T16:56:39 < jadew> tpw_rules, I don't even have a calibration kit yet
2017-12-08T16:56:49 < tpw_rules> there's some chance i might
2017-12-08T16:56:56 < tpw_rules> it's the one at uni, i very recently ressurected it
2017-12-08T16:56:58 < jadew> just you know.. a short, open and a load I made
2017-12-08T16:57:01 < tpw_rules> it still throws errors b=ut it seems to work
2017-12-08T16:57:13 < tpw_rules> does yours have a tape drive?
2017-12-08T16:57:19 < jadew> no
2017-12-08T16:57:36 < jadew> when I'll get a cal kit, I'll have to enter the data manually
2017-12-08T16:58:06 < tpw_rules> what about a floppy?
2017-12-08T16:58:20 < tpw_rules> the display/processor on mine has an old hp tape thing
2017-12-08T16:58:24 < jadew> not on this model
2017-12-08T16:58:30 < tpw_rules> ah
2017-12-08T16:58:40 < tpw_rules> also i've got the 45mhz-26.5ghz test set
2017-12-08T16:58:44 < tpw_rules> and sweeper
2017-12-08T16:59:45 < tpw_rules> but i like the color screen
2017-12-08T16:59:51 < tpw_rules> those are nice colors
2017-12-08T17:00:13 < jadew> nice, this one only goes to 6 GHz
2017-12-08T17:00:17 < jadew> it's the best this model can do
2017-12-08T17:00:18 < BrainDamage> the essential smith plot makes for a cool wormhole video
2017-12-08T17:00:29 < tpw_rules> why is it slightly green at one corner
2017-12-08T17:00:38 < jadew> tpw_rules, the CRT is magnetized
2017-12-08T17:00:59 < tpw_rules> i like it tho
2017-12-08T17:00:59 < jadew> I don't mind it, looks cool
2017-12-08T17:01:02 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-08T17:01:05 < tpw_rules> do you have a gpib interface?
2017-12-08T17:01:09 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-08T17:01:29 < jadew> used it to perform automatic calibration, but it failed
2017-12-08T17:01:37 < tpw_rules> www.ke5fx.com/gpib/readme.htm
2017-12-08T17:01:42 < tpw_rules> i've got a lot of mileage out of that
2017-12-08T17:01:43 < jadew> it can connect to the power meter and calibrate the output power level automatically
2017-12-08T17:02:03 < tpw_rules> it can download the s parameter list from memory, and has a plot emulator to capture the display
2017-12-08T17:02:39 < jadew> nice, I'll give it a try
2017-12-08T17:03:34 < tpw_rules> it took some fiddling to get it to work, but it's perfect after, like iirc you have to go to the software menus and request a plot, you can't press the plot button on the machine
2017-12-08T17:03:49 < tomeaton17> Finally my awful pcbs came https://i.imgur.com/Jm4zv0P.jpg
2017-12-08T17:03:50 < tpw_rules> i used it with a real NI usb interface with full driver stack too
2017-12-08T17:04:54 < jadew> tpw_rules, yeah, that's because to be able to print the plot button you have to have the controller act as a printer
2017-12-08T17:05:36 < jadew> I made a GPIB controller that I'm using with my stuff and I'm planning to make something like that
2017-12-08T17:05:49 < tpw_rules> the software is supposed to be able to do that but i couldn't get it to work
2017-12-08T17:05:57 < tpw_rules> my machine still boots up with some kind of address/bus error too
2017-12-08T17:05:58 < jadew> probably because of the controller
2017-12-08T17:06:27 < jadew> yeah, I get that on the frequency counter when the GPIB controller is connected, not sure why
2017-12-08T17:06:40 < jadew> probably because my controller sucks
2017-12-08T17:07:27 < jadew> (yours might suck too :)
2017-12-08T17:13:37 < jadew> my latest innovation: http://188.25.32.228/stuff/20171208_171109.jpg
2017-12-08T17:14:40 < tpw_rules> i mean it cost $1000 but as ever that's not a reliable indicator
2017-12-08T17:17:38 < jadew> you got it new?
2017-12-08T17:17:42 < tpw_rules> also is that a remote static generator?
2017-12-08T17:17:45 < tpw_rules> no, it's the unis too
2017-12-08T17:18:01 < tpw_rules> but it's a genuine national instruments one
2017-12-08T17:18:18 < tpw_rules> how do these things cost more than their weight in gold
2017-12-08T17:18:25 < tpw_rules> isn't gpib like the same interface as a parallel port
2017-12-08T17:18:40 < jadew> no, it's different
2017-12-08T17:18:46 < karlp> kinda, but with
2017-12-08T17:18:56 < BrainDamage>  gpib is a parallel bus
2017-12-08T17:18:57 < jadew> but yeah, it's silly they cost that much
2017-12-08T17:19:07 < tpw_rules> i mean sure but like a parallel interface is 3 cents
2017-12-08T17:19:23 < BrainDamage> gpib can run for 30m without repeaters
2017-12-08T17:19:23 < tpw_rules> bidirectionality and like a couple extra status lines isn't $999.97
2017-12-08T17:19:28 < BrainDamage> and can do multipoint
2017-12-08T17:19:42 < jadew> the transciever ICs for GPIB are cheap too
2017-12-08T17:19:50 < BrainDamage> but the real reason it costs so much it's that it's speciality equipment
2017-12-08T17:20:00 < jadew> and the controller isn't that complex to implement either
2017-12-08T17:20:16 < jadew> it's not that special if everyone needs it
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2017-12-08T17:20:55 < tpw_rules> fair enough. but still
2017-12-08T17:21:17 < tpw_rules> capitalism
2017-12-08T17:22:11 < fenugrec> even the clone 82357B GPIB cables are 100$
2017-12-08T17:22:12 < jadew> there are not many players on the market
2017-12-08T17:22:25 < jadew> yeah, the clones are just comming from one source probably
2017-12-08T17:22:55 < jadew> so they sell a bit under the market price for what other options you have
2017-12-08T17:23:12 < jadew> *coming
2017-12-08T17:23:58 < tpw_rules> how relevant is gpib to industry these days anyway
2017-12-08T17:24:01 < fenugrec> likely - like you said, not that much demand. The bus transceiver ICs are quite a bit more expensive than typical 74xx stuff though, and the "controller" ICs (7210 / 9914-compatible) are very expensive. Like >30$ from legit sources IIRC
2017-12-08T17:24:21 < fenugrec> looots of legacy gpib gear in use, but apart from that...
2017-12-08T17:24:38 < BrainDamage> gpib is mostly legacy stuff, but when lab equipment costs 100k, you don't replace it that often
2017-12-08T17:24:49 < BrainDamage> which means it's there to stay for decades still
2017-12-08T17:25:00 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-12-08T17:26:42 < jadew> did you see that video from EEVBlog where he visited the Keysight Cal lab?
2017-12-08T17:26:55 < jadew> they're still using stuff that's 20+ years old
2017-12-08T17:27:10 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-12-08T17:27:35 < jadew> of course, they have the ability to maintain them, but still, pretty neat
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2017-12-08T17:41:25 < fenugrec> speaking of test eq, I highly recommend reading some of the old "HP Journal" issues with technical articles on the design of some test equipment... http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/hpjindex.html
2017-12-08T17:42:54 < fenugrec> like Feb-1981 :  8662A high purity signal generator
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2017-12-08T17:48:53 < jadew> fenugrec, I downloaded the whole thing a couple of months ago
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2017-12-08T17:50:06 < jadew> only 3 Gb
2017-12-08T17:53:24 < fenugrec> heh, well they're just image content, not OCR, but it's still a lot of reading material
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2017-12-08T18:40:15 < dongs> zyp, found a bizzarea issue with CSS326-24G-2S+
2017-12-08T18:40:26 < zyp> yeah?
2017-12-08T18:40:29 < dongs> zyp: on 2.6 firmware, smb reads are like 15-30meg/sec max over gbe
2017-12-08T18:40:36 < dongs> downgrradeded back to 2.2, works great
2017-12-08T18:40:42 < dongs> what the shit
2017-12-08T18:40:44 < zyp> heh
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2017-12-08T18:42:27 < kylix> Hi! is anybody using stm32f401re with stm32duino core?
2017-12-08T18:42:33 < zyp> no
2017-12-08T18:42:39 < dongs> no, but I'm using F401RE
2017-12-08T18:42:54 < dongs> with stdperiphlib
2017-12-08T18:43:16 < kylix> I'm trying to use the rfm69 library with a stm32f401re without success...
2017-12-08T18:43:41 < dongs> shit code combvined wiht even shittier code
2017-12-08T18:43:44 < kylix> The SPI connection seems to work as I can read the temperature from the module
2017-12-08T18:43:45 < dongs> im not surprised it doesnt work
2017-12-08T18:44:05 < dongs> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=126752#p624519
2017-12-08T18:44:06 < kylix> it just doesn't send anything
2017-12-08T18:44:07 < dongs> haha at least im not alone
2017-12-08T18:44:24 < kylix> :)
2017-12-08T18:44:38 < kylix> this is the library I'm trying to use, under the Arduino IDE: https://github.com/brainelectronics/RFM69-STM32
2017-12-08T18:45:39 < kylix> the library works on an F103 board (other people are using it)
2017-12-08T18:46:32 < kylix> I've also tried on a l053r8....no luck
2017-12-08T18:47:02 < dongs> does + and - have same precedence i n C
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2017-12-08T18:52:05 < dongs> i wonder if I shoudl email eurodk or mikrodik about this
2017-12-08T18:52:17 < dongs> they say product support for mikrodik is only if y oubught diretly from them
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2017-12-08T18:59:00 < karlp> fucking css
2017-12-08T19:01:18 < dongs> haha changelog for an assdroid app
2017-12-08T19:01:21 < dongs> Enhancement: rewritten the whole application in Kotlin for better future maintainability
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2017-12-08T19:01:33 < dongs> this is an ENHANCEMENT?!
2017-12-08T19:01:40 < dongs> to rewrite shit in a fucking obscure as fuck faggot nonlanguage? fuck
2017-12-08T19:02:42 < jadew> dongs, what product is that?
2017-12-08T19:02:53 < dongs> assroid gpstoolbox thing
2017-12-08T19:02:58 < jadew> ah
2017-12-08T19:04:17 < dongs> i dont know, i am considering just deleting it
2017-12-08T19:04:31 < dongs> ive used it occasioanlly but I am not sure i can trust it now that its rewritten in this shit
2017-12-08T19:04:47 < dongs> haha what.
2017-12-08T19:04:54 < dongs> i was gonna look up "future of kotlin"
2017-12-08T19:04:59 < dongs> to see how dead it is / will be
2017-12-08T19:05:01 < karlp> it's just another jvm based thing,
2017-12-08T19:05:10 < dongs> and i typed "future of " and google suggested kotlin
2017-12-08T19:05:11 < dongs> as 1st result
2017-12-08T19:05:12 < dongs> wat
2017-12-08T19:05:25 < dongs> can someone confirm im not crazy
2017-12-08T19:05:30 < karlp> google now was listening to you the whole time
2017-12-08T19:05:50 < dongs> listening to me raging? :)
2017-12-08T19:07:51 < dongs> https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*WXrKvPgjQYEwwoz_1bjuSg.png i was almost sure that said #lol7
2017-12-08T19:10:13 < jadew> dongs, for me it says something else
2017-12-08T19:10:40 < jadew> they probably just recognized the pattern
2017-12-08T19:10:51 < dongs> wat
2017-12-08T19:10:55 < jadew> you normally look at specific techincal stuff and you have specific inclinations
2017-12-08T19:11:20 < jadew> and it predicted that once you view that app's description, you might search for that :P
2017-12-08T19:11:42 < dongs> all i know is its yet another faggot non-language that shouldnt exist
2017-12-08T19:11:47 < jadew> you can probably ask google what you'll do tonight and it will give you a couple of options
2017-12-08T19:11:53 < dongs>  Kotlin has a safe Nullability system, Lambdas and Method references for clean connections between parts of your App, a built in Mutability/Immutability property system, a clean and easy to use Stream operators(filter, map, reduce..), to improve your development life and productivity!
2017-12-08T19:11:59 < dongs> can you fucking imagine?
2017-12-08T19:12:05 < dongs> i read all this and I have NO fucking idea waht any of that shit is
2017-12-08T19:12:41 < dongs> faggots doing busywork inventing shit that doesnt matter when there's already shit that works
2017-12-08T19:16:44 < PaulFertser> dongs, are you really can't understand that if you can't utilise higher-level abstractions in your work it doesn't mean that nobody else can benefit from that too?
2017-12-08T19:16:56 < dongs> PaulFertser: i *knew* you were gonna say something about it.
2017-12-08T19:17:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: but seriously, man
2017-12-08T19:17:30 < dongs> PaulFertser: i am slowly reading up on some of the shit like "nullability" and all I see is stuff for dumb people to make thier shitty miserable python/java coding lives "easier" cuz they can't deal with writing quality code to begin wiht
2017-12-08T19:17:45 < dongs> like omg, "null pointers are hugest mistake cry cry"
2017-12-08T19:18:01 < dongs> "but here's this solution, only available in kotlin!!11"
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2017-12-08T19:19:18 < PaulFertser> dongs: of course. And the truth is, very few people can write quality code all the time. And the more complex their software becomes the harder it is to continue to do so. And writing is one thing, extending/refactoring/repurposing is another. And your perfect C code can turn in a disaster in a glimpse of an eye.
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2017-12-08T19:20:50 < PaulFertser> dongs: you want to return to http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html times?
2017-12-08T19:21:04 < dongs> PaulFertser: plz.
2017-12-08T19:26:01 < PaulFertser> dongs: you do not write your firmware in machine code. And that proves you actually need abstractions. You need local and global variables, you need functions, you need some types. And then you declare you're going to stop there; but in no way can that mean that the others can't be more productive and produce better results with higher level languages.
2017-12-08T19:26:45 < dongs> PaulFertser: do you teach java at your school
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2017-12-08T19:27:30 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, why? Java is a very meh language.
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2017-12-08T19:43:53 < kakimir> englishman: I have jubb
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2017-12-08T19:52:30 < Steffanx> Whats your job now kakimir ?
2017-12-08T19:53:35 < kakimir> :D
2017-12-08T19:54:03 < kakimir> EE
2017-12-08T19:54:05 < Steffanx> 🤡?
2017-12-08T19:54:17 < Steffanx> Fulltime!
2017-12-08T19:54:19 < Steffanx> ?
2017-12-08T19:54:23 < kakimir> sure
2017-12-08T19:55:36 < Steffanx> Nice :)
2017-12-08T19:55:53 < kakimir> my title is quite demanding
2017-12-08T19:56:11 < Steffanx> Does it require you to move out of the middle of nowhere? :p
2017-12-08T19:56:32 < kakimir> it does
2017-12-08T19:59:55 < Steffanx> No more kakimir 24/7 here. Sad day.
2017-12-08T20:00:40 < kakimir> no it means more irc
2017-12-08T20:00:49 < kakimir> less factory and farmin
2017-12-08T20:02:27 < jadew> tpw_rules, if you're still willing to perform that test, it's basically this:
2017-12-08T20:03:01 < jadew> connect a cable to the reflection port, calibrate it with an open/short/load
2017-12-08T20:03:12 < jadew> then connect it to the transmission port
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2017-12-08T20:03:35 < jadew> I'd like to see how poorly matched it is
2017-12-08T20:04:27 < jadew> mine reflects most of the power at lower frequencies
2017-12-08T20:04:31 < englishman> kakimir: congrats
2017-12-08T20:04:31 < jadew> it just doesn't seem right
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2017-12-08T20:10:15 < c10ud^> alright pros, do you have any idea on how to comply with stringent eu laws when kicading?
2017-12-08T20:10:44 < kakimir> ?
2017-12-08T20:11:04 < englishman> be sure to surrender your guns and hug a migrant
2017-12-08T20:11:06 < c10ud^>  EN60664-1:2007, EN61000-6-4:2007,EN61000-6-2:2005
2017-12-08T20:11:10 < c10ud^> lolol
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2017-12-08T20:26:23 < dongs> rule #1 of being pro: don't use kikecad
2017-12-08T20:26:51 < dongs> i have a short story
2017-12-08T20:26:53 < upgrdman> rule #2 if being pro: trust every answer you get on irc
2017-12-08T20:26:56 < dongs> there was a french company called dibcom
2017-12-08T20:27:05 < dongs> they used eagle to make professional pcbs
2017-12-08T20:27:12 < dongs> they are no longer in business
2017-12-08T20:27:16 < dongs> end of story
2017-12-08T20:27:39 < upgrdman> aidsfruit used (still uses?) eagle and theyre still going ;)
2017-12-08T20:28:26 < dongs> when you got an army of autists ready to buy your shit cuz ytour manager is a purple-haired m2f... well yeah
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2017-12-08T20:28:33 < dongs> why WOULDNT they keep going
2017-12-08T20:28:37 < dongs> speaking of m2f, where the fuck is leloo
2017-12-08T20:28:44 < upgrdman> ya
2017-12-08T20:28:49 < upgrdman> i kinda miss leeloo's rants
2017-12-08T20:28:54 < englishman> why would aidsfruit use eagle if they just buy chinashit to resell?
2017-12-08T20:29:03 < dongs> ^ also this
2017-12-08T20:29:10 < upgrdman> englishman, they make some of their own breakout boards
2017-12-08T20:29:26 < englishman> eagle might explain why they dont make more than that
2017-12-08T20:29:29 < upgrdman> in cases where chinamen havent beat them to the punch yet
2017-12-08T20:29:58 < upgrdman> ya, it doesn't take much or monitize the makers
2017-12-08T20:30:04 < upgrdman> *to
2017-12-08T20:32:31 < c10ud^> dongs, tbh I now work in an eagle-only company LOL, trying to spread the kicad since we're on a low budget
2017-12-08T20:32:44 < c10ud^> but our cadgirl only can eagle
2017-12-08T20:32:47 < c10ud^> ew
2017-12-08T20:32:55 < upgrdman> how complex are the pcbs
2017-12-08T20:33:07 < upgrdman> just 4L no-bga, or real stuff?
2017-12-08T20:33:13 < c10ud^> upgrdman, she did pretty complex stuff in the past
2017-12-08T20:33:25 < c10ud^> def 6+
2017-12-08T20:33:32 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-08T20:33:47 < c10ud^> bga not really since they relied mostly on handsoldering
2017-12-08T20:34:14 < englishman> altium will let you use less layers = savings = buy fucking altium or your company will die
2017-12-08T20:34:26 < englishman> 6L in kikecad is easily 4L in altidumb
2017-12-08T20:34:29 < c10ud^> and, worse of all, schematics being done with orcad, because fuck productivity
2017-12-08T20:34:54 < upgrdman> 6L board with a bunch of DIPs then? ^_^
2017-12-08T20:35:09 < aandrew> < englishman> altium will let you use less layers
2017-12-08T20:35:10 < aandrew> huh?
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2017-12-08T20:35:28 < englishman> because you can actually work
2017-12-08T20:35:33 < aandrew> lol
2017-12-08T20:36:48 < Steffanx> Dumb question of the day: Will ##stm32 ever invent real arguments?
2017-12-08T20:37:39 < zyp> I think I usually substantiate my claims when I'm involved in an argument
2017-12-08T20:38:52 < zyp> c10ud^, so, uh, you're claiming that people did 6L hand-soldered boards?
2017-12-08T20:39:06 < zyp> that doesn't add up
2017-12-08T20:39:21 < c10ud^> nah, just saying eagle wasnt just used for hobby shit
2017-12-08T20:39:56 < c10ud^> but, if you're being serious, yes
2017-12-08T20:40:19 < aandrew> zyp: the number of layers has *nothing* to do with hand-soldering
2017-12-08T20:40:35 < zyp> aandrew, not directly, no
2017-12-08T20:40:49 < aandrew> there is some argument that complex boards requiring 6L tend to use parts which are not hand-solder friendly, but that's not a requirement
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2017-12-08T20:41:17 < englishman> dongs this thing is fun as fuck
2017-12-08T20:41:19 < aandrew> people can and do solder BGAs by hand all the time. I regularly hand-solder LGAs which are also "impossible" to do by hand
2017-12-08T20:41:37 < c10ud^> one of the latest was a 3u eurocard with 3 tqfp100, power mgmt and headers for carrying another board, so yes, that is possible
2017-12-08T20:41:48 < zyp> aandrew, yes, component pin density is related to routing complexity which again is related to layer requirements
2017-12-08T20:42:03 < c10ud^> also, around 20 comms
2017-12-08T20:42:07 < aandrew> not necessarily but yes usually
2017-12-08T20:42:32 < c10ud^> plus, eth+usb
2017-12-08T20:42:40 < c10ud^> so yes, that's possible
2017-12-08T20:42:59 < zyp> c10ud^, and all that, hand soldered
2017-12-08T20:43:10 < englishman> i charge extra for assembly if i see it's been done in kikecad. <-- substantiated claim that altium saves you money
2017-12-08T20:43:38 < Steffanx> It never happened though..
2017-12-08T20:43:43 < c10ud^> zyp, yes for the prototype, not sure about production
2017-12-08T20:43:57 < englishman> no im doing a kikecad project right now
2017-12-08T20:43:59 < Steffanx> i mean: you've never been asked to do that englishman :P
2017-12-08T20:44:01 < c10ud^> since it was done externally
2017-12-08T20:44:10 < zyp> haha
2017-12-08T20:44:12 < zyp> ok
2017-12-08T20:44:22 < englishman> i can tell from the pick and place export
2017-12-08T20:44:33 < Steffanx> I bet it's because you know people with kicad still have money to spend, because they iddnt spend it on altium :P
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2017-12-08T20:44:53 < zyp> speaking of eagle, I've done bga in eagle
2017-12-08T20:45:16 < aandrew> lots of poeple have
2017-12-08T20:45:28 < zyp> still not much fun
2017-12-08T20:45:32 < aandrew> englishman: haha (charge extra thus proving altium saves money)
2017-12-08T20:45:50 < englishman> :)
2017-12-08T20:46:31 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/eaiEM.png <- pretty much as low-complexity as a bga256 design can be, I guess
2017-12-08T20:46:59 < Steffanx> looks like lpc43 something
2017-12-08T20:47:06 < zyp> yes, that's what it is
2017-12-08T20:47:28 < Steffanx> only know because i remember :P
2017-12-08T20:47:45 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/r1ChW.JPG <- I've also done bga256 in altium
2017-12-08T20:48:30 < Laurenceb_> I need to lurn kicad
2017-12-08T20:48:52 < Steffanx> Better buy atlium
2017-12-08T20:48:58 < c10ud^> tbh kicading doesnt seem too bad, but I'm using pretty simple parts
2017-12-08T20:51:18 < zyp> kicad is probably better than eagle
2017-12-08T20:51:56 < zyp> unless eagle has improved recently
2017-12-08T20:52:32 < zyp> I remember kicad were showing off their hug and push-routing, and last I used eagle it didn't have anything of the sort
2017-12-08T20:53:13 < c10ud^> iirc autodesk did something, but their subscription model doesn't really want me to even try and see it
2017-12-08T20:53:26 < zyp> yeah, idk
2017-12-08T20:53:44 < zyp> I stopped caring about other stuff when I got an altium license
2017-12-08T20:54:35 < gxti> like a real pro EE
2017-12-08T20:54:47 < gxti> no wait that's orcad
2017-12-08T20:55:36 < Steffanx> No need to kiss R2COM's arse when he is not around ;)
2017-12-08T20:56:00 < gxti> i can't help it, he is just so much better at engineering
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2017-12-08T21:31:03 < englishman> fucking arrow 15% off codes dont apply to ftdi or linear
2017-12-08T21:32:38 < englishman> curt
2017-12-08T21:32:39 < englishman> hi
2017-12-08T22:00:09 < Steffanx> Bye Curt
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2017-12-08T22:24:03 < capacitor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxSRCY5VM6I
2017-12-08T22:24:17 < Steffanx> Hi Curt.
2017-12-08T22:24:35 < Steffanx> its not friday night in aussieland, curt.
2017-12-08T22:24:52 < capacitor> correct
2017-12-08T22:25:06 < capacitor> thanks for coming in today steffan
2017-12-08T22:25:11 < Steffanx> Why wake up so early on your free saturday mr curt?
2017-12-08T22:25:19 < capacitor> well
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2017-12-08T22:25:36 < capacitor> i'm a busy goy
2017-12-08T22:25:40 < Steffanx> lies.
2017-12-08T22:26:20 < capacitor> i have to action the clean up
2017-12-08T22:26:34 < Steffanx> reconing in free time, sounds nice.
2017-12-08T22:26:39 < Steffanx> *spare
2017-12-08T22:28:06 < capacitor> no reconing anymore
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2017-12-08T22:28:40 < Steffanx> DJs will never forgive/forget you, capacitor
2017-12-08T22:28:57 < capacitor> of course
2017-12-08T22:30:03 < Steffanx> At least capacitor is happy.
2017-12-08T22:30:20 < capacitor> better than ever
2017-12-08T22:30:21 < englishman> happy-ER
2017-12-08T22:30:34 < Steffanx> happy.
2017-12-08T22:30:50 < Steffanx> He's happy like Taj Lang.
2017-12-08T22:31:10 < englishman> i need to convert a charger to 110v from 220v
2017-12-08T22:31:16 < englishman> hopefully there are some jumpers inside
2017-12-08T22:31:36 < capacitor> is it a switchmode nigger supply
2017-12-08T22:31:44 < englishman> yea
2017-12-08T22:32:06 < upgrdman> vfd / invert pros: what does this symbol circled in red mean:  https://imgur.com/a/NVZlq
2017-12-08T22:32:07 < capacitor> hopefully it has the voltage doubler jumper
2017-12-08T22:32:16 < englishman> precisely
2017-12-08T22:33:04 < capacitor> fucked if i know upgrdman but i'd like to know
2017-12-08T22:33:10 < upgrdman> :/
2017-12-08T22:33:45 < capacitor> stonertronics might know
2017-12-08T22:33:55 < upgrdman> whos dat?
2017-12-08T22:34:00 < upgrdman> engbro?
2017-12-08T22:34:03 < capacitor> ##electronics
2017-12-08T22:34:07 < upgrdman> o
2017-12-08T22:34:16 < englishman> fuse/circuit breaker?
2017-12-08T22:34:24 < capacitor> heh
2017-12-08T22:34:32 < capacitor> i'll ask trevor
2017-12-08T22:34:38 < upgrdman> so for like quick testing, short circuit +24V to the collector?
2017-12-08T22:34:51 < capacitor> he works at SEW eurodrive
2017-12-08T22:34:54 < capacitor> so hopefully
2017-12-08T22:34:57 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-08T22:35:36 < capacitor> but he might be doing whatever they do in germany
2017-12-08T22:35:46 < capacitor> i'll tell  ya if he answers
2017-12-08T22:35:49 < Lux> upgrdman: isn't that just a relay ?
2017-12-08T22:35:53 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-08T22:36:01 < capacitor> lux i thought it was a relay coil but idk
2017-12-08T22:36:09 < upgrdman> Lux, r1a/b/c is the internal relay
2017-12-08T22:36:10 < Lux> should be
2017-12-08T22:36:34 < upgrdman> LO+/LO- is supposed to be a logic output from the VFD
2017-12-08T22:36:48 < upgrdman> which is why im confused
2017-12-08T22:37:37 < Lux> yeah, definetly strange
2017-12-08T22:37:50 < capacitor> jesus christ he said 'maybe a diode'
2017-12-08T22:37:51 < Lux> also there is no protection diode
2017-12-08T22:38:12 < Lux> usually those go in hand with the relay coil
2017-12-08T22:38:38 < upgrdman> bbiab, time for more testing and hopefully no arcing :)
2017-12-08T22:38:48 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome, capacitor
2017-12-08T22:38:55 < capacitor> hello welcome!
2017-12-08T22:39:51 < Steffanx> Theepot?
2017-12-08T22:39:57 < capacitor> hell yeah!
2017-12-08T22:40:37 < capacitor> Let's get a motherfucking abortion!
2017-12-08T22:41:54 < Steffanx> ok
2017-12-08T22:42:20 < upgrdman> oh fuck me. works.
2017-12-08T22:42:29 < upgrdman> didnt need any connection there.
2017-12-08T22:42:51 < upgrdman> i was testing by short the screw terminal screws of COM to LI1/2/3/4 and it wouldnt work.
2017-12-08T22:43:04 < upgrdman> turns out the screws were backed off all the way and had no electrical contact.
2017-12-08T22:43:13 < upgrdman> sticking jumper wire in there did the trick, lol
2017-12-08T22:44:02 < upgrdman> but, ya, i'd love to know wtf that symbol means, since i will need to use the LO+/- signal later on
2017-12-08T22:44:22 < upgrdman> if anyone feels like autisming over it, page 25 of http://download.schneider-electric.com/files?p_Reference=BBV28581&p_EnDocType=User%20guide&p_File_Id=7889560848&p_File_Name=ATV12_user_manual_EN_BBV28581_03.pdf
2017-12-08T22:45:22 < upgrdman> i have this feeling it implied a pull up resistor to +24V on the LO+ pin, but that's a weird fucking symbol for that
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2017-12-08T22:47:47 < Steffanx> Looks more like the coil of a relay to me.
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2017-12-08T22:48:24 < Steffanx> Especially since it has a relay and relay contants are in the top left.
2017-12-08T22:48:40 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/xS1eHbd
2017-12-08T22:48:54 < capacitor> Steffanx: i can't believe my friend couldn't answer it
2017-12-08T22:48:55 < Laurenceb_> it works.. on windozer
2017-12-08T22:48:58 < upgrdman> Steffanx, LO+/- is a phototransistor
2017-12-08T22:49:02 < Steffanx> Designing yourself a vagina Laurenceb_?
2017-12-08T22:49:06 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-12-08T22:49:20 < capacitor> LOL
2017-12-08T22:49:29 < capacitor> m2f
2017-12-08T23:02:51 < capacitor> pull that baby out of your snizz!!!
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2017-12-08T23:19:08 < karlp> upgrdman: glad to see you'r enot on fire at least.
2017-12-08T23:19:23 < upgrdman> me too
2017-12-08T23:29:02 < zyp> upgrdman, in case you're still not certain, that symbol is the standard relay coil symbol
2017-12-08T23:29:13 < upgrdman> orly
2017-12-08T23:29:15 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-12-08T23:29:36 < upgrdman> how the fuck can that phototransistor drive a relay coil though, lol
2017-12-08T23:30:45 < zyp> darlington circuit or something? what does it matter how it's implemented internally?
2017-12-08T23:32:02 < upgrdman> but the manual makes it sound like LO+/- is an isolated phototransistor. it provides no power, just short circuits the two pins when asserted
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2017-12-08T23:32:37 < upgrdman> o nm, ya theyre using the +24V/COM to power the coil
2017-12-08T23:32:39 < upgrdman> ok
2017-12-08T23:32:57 < zyp> yeah, all diagrams have it series with the coil
2017-12-08T23:33:12 < upgrdman> ya, brain farted
2017-12-08T23:37:38 < upgrdman> unrelated: updating my FTDI drivers fixed the BSOD-on-teraterm-exit
2017-12-08T23:37:54 < upgrdman> i wonder how ftdi fucked up so bad that closing a serial port could BSOD
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2017-12-08T23:44:25 < Tectu> guys, I need rechargeable lithium cells. ideally single cell, about 1Ah. Ideally 2/3AA size.
2017-12-08T23:44:39 < Tectu> any ideas?
2017-12-08T23:44:40 < zyp> sup?
2017-12-08T23:44:45 < Tectu> I need 700 pieces
2017-12-08T23:44:52 < zyp> buy a tesla, take out the batteries
2017-12-08T23:44:57 < Tectu> in three weeks
2017-12-08T23:45:40 < zyp> jk, tesla cells are too large
2017-12-08T23:48:13 < englishman> welcome back tec
2017-12-08T23:48:58 < englishman> at that quantity id say send out some china rfqs
2017-12-08T23:49:06 < englishman> if 18650 does not work for you
2017-12-08T23:49:41 < kakimir> friend has 60kwh of tesla batteries
2017-12-08T23:49:58 < zyp> well, duh, anybody who bought a tesla does
2017-12-08T23:50:27 < englishman> some only have 55kWh ;'(
2017-12-08T23:51:03 < zyp> I only have 24kWh :(
2017-12-08T23:51:08 < zyp> and they are not even tesla batteries
2017-12-08T23:51:11 < kakimir> he is installing them to previa
2017-12-08T23:51:25 < englishman> zyp, i was srsly considering a leaf
2017-12-08T23:51:36 < upgrdman> run gcc > 80 errors and 11 infos. i done good. ^_^
2017-12-08T23:51:36 < englishman> but i met someone who bought one in 2011 and his battery is already useless
2017-12-08T23:51:50 < upgrdman> err 80 warnings. 0 errors.
2017-12-08T23:51:52 < englishman> he ended up trading it in to a dumb dealer that didnt check
2017-12-08T23:52:09 < Tectu> englishman, 18650 is too big (too long)
2017-12-08T23:52:25 < zyp> englishman, should still be within warranty, unless terms are different there
2017-12-08T23:52:48 < zyp> all EVs here comes with 8 year battery warranty
2017-12-08T23:52:48 < englishman> tec, 16650 is less popular but exists
2017-12-08T23:53:04 < englishman> hmm
2017-12-08T23:53:11 < englishman> didnt ask
2017-12-08T23:53:19 < zyp> speaking of leaf, the new ones you can actually look at
2017-12-08T23:53:38 < kakimir> friend has leaf too
2017-12-08T23:53:44 < kakimir> installing it to previa
2017-12-08T23:57:09 < MrMobius> upgrdman, wait, you mean FTDI fucked something up again?
2017-12-08T23:57:42 < MrMobius> I lost days reading their shit docs trying to get SPI mode working on my chip until I found in the datasheet a single line that says there is an SPI mode but we recommend you dont use it
2017-12-08T23:58:09 < upgrdman> lol i did that too
2017-12-08T23:58:20 < upgrdman> like mode0/2 work but 1/3 don't work
2017-12-08T23:58:23 < upgrdman> or maybe the opposite
2017-12-08T23:58:42 < MrMobius> this was like 4 years ago
2017-12-08T23:58:48 < MrMobius> the reset API doesnt do anything
2017-12-08T23:58:56 < MrMobius> and you cant change the settings with the function they provide
2017-12-08T23:58:59 < MrMobius> at least at the time
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2017-12-09T00:10:03 < kakimir> anyone have worked with leaf motor inverter?
2017-12-09T00:27:22 < upgrdman> with RS485, you terminate at both ends right? and does each end only terminate the pair is listens to, or also the pair its transmitting on?
2017-12-09T00:32:33 < karlp> the lines "need" to be terminated at both ends
2017-12-09T00:32:41 < karlp> whether you're using one pair or ten
2017-12-09T00:32:42 < zyp> you're thinking of RS422 if you have separate pairs
2017-12-09T00:32:54 < karlp> no, people use rs485 in full duplex too
2017-12-09T00:32:58 < karlp> (weirdos)
2017-12-09T00:33:09 < zyp> but is it really RS485 then?
2017-12-09T00:33:10 < upgrdman> whats diff between 485 and 422?
2017-12-09T00:33:13 < karlp> as far as I can tell, the "difference" is just p2p vs p2mp
2017-12-09T00:33:27 < upgrdman> 485 = single master?
2017-12-09T00:33:37 < karlp> 485 = multipoint, 422 p2p
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2017-12-09T00:34:12 < zyp> I thought the distinction were 485 = half duplex, 422 = full duplex
2017-12-09T00:34:30 < karlp> 485 with two pairs means master can be talking to the bus or someone else while a slave is still replying
2017-12-09T00:34:46 < karlp> I've only seen it in docs on wiring, never in practice.
2017-12-09T00:34:49  * karlp shrugs
2017-12-09T00:37:27 < zyp> hmm, looks like the actual spec difference is 10 vs 32 devices on bus (422 and 485 respectively)
2017-12-09T00:39:07 < karlp> 422 is dead,long live 485?
2017-12-09T00:39:30 < zyp> I mean, that was a NI document, they claim 485 is a superset of 422
2017-12-09T00:40:01 < karlp> bigger number, must be better anyway ;)
2017-12-09T00:40:35 < zyp> but it kinda reads more like «all our 422 slaves will work with our 485 masters»
2017-12-09T00:40:57 < zyp> eh, whatever :)
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2017-12-09T05:01:00 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/04/220644689.jpg is this kikecad
2017-12-09T05:02:00 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/04/044044297.jpg ok, this definitely is
2017-12-09T05:02:41 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/02/050838453.jpg haha people using pic32mx
2017-12-09T05:06:04 < dongs> not a single review with ENIG or OSP board
2017-12-09T05:06:10 < dongs> all fucking gross hasl
2017-12-09T05:29:40 < dongs> http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~orrd/KATAN/katan.c wow that's some jewish shit
2017-12-09T05:31:01 < dongs> isnt the point of publishing a cipher reference code is to make it readable
2017-12-09T05:31:08 < dongs> not a fucking optimized to fuck version
2017-12-09T05:35:29 < dongs> https://www.sony.co.jp/Products/cryptography/clefia/download/data/clefia_ref.c
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2017-12-09T06:19:55 < upgrdman> <dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/02/050838453.jpg haha people using pic32mx
2017-12-09T06:20:01 < upgrdman> is that a mini pcie card?
2017-12-09T06:20:25 < upgrdman> also, what does an OSP board look like? just bare copper with a thin film of transparent jizz on it?
2017-12-09T06:21:29 < dongs> haha no i doubt its mini pcie
2017-12-09T06:22:19 < upgrdman> ya iirc mini pcie has the edge connector going all the way to the ... fucking edge
2017-12-09T06:22:41 < upgrdman> theirs is like "2mm from edge, ya thats good 'nuff"
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2017-12-09T06:44:03 < upgrdman> :[   https://i.imgur.com/i7mc7UW.jpg
2017-12-09T06:47:23 < englishman> upgrdman: https://gfycat.com/AnguishedAnchoredAsiaticmouflon
2017-12-09T06:47:58 < upgrdman> englishman, saw the video, with audio. totally fucked. that cop got acquitted too, wtf.
2017-12-09T06:48:08 < dongs> cop did nothing wrong
2017-12-09T06:48:18 < upgrdman> dongs, listen to the audio
2017-12-09T06:48:20 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/lDpgDHi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hN9057O.jpg
2017-12-09T06:48:22 < dongs> i did
2017-12-09T06:48:29 < upgrdman> he was confusing
2017-12-09T06:48:42 < englishman> worst game of simon says ever
2017-12-09T06:49:09 < upgrdman> and there was no need to even have the guy "crawl" ...
2017-12-09T06:49:53 < upgrdman> he should have just stopped at the whole interlace-n-cross part, and had the other cop walk up and cuff him while rifle cop oversees
2017-12-09T06:49:59 < dongs> lol
2017-12-09T06:50:01 < dongs> i keep blocking weev
2017-12-09T06:50:05 < dongs> from l0de's youtube chat
2017-12-09T06:50:16 < dongs> so every 5 mins he gets untimeouted
2017-12-09T06:50:19 < dongs> and spams some racist trash
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2017-12-09T07:37:04 < englishman> lol dongs
2017-12-09T07:37:04 < englishman> just converted this changfung 220v charger they sent me to 110v
2017-12-09T07:37:11 < englishman> just had to read TI AN556
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2017-12-09T08:48:41 < dongs> englishman: the one i got just needed a solder bridge moved/removed or somethign
2017-12-09T08:48:51 < englishman> yea
2017-12-09T08:48:53 < englishman> thats all it is
2017-12-09T08:49:06 < englishman> shorting rectifier to series caps
2017-12-09T08:49:11 < englishman> charging now
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2017-12-09T09:01:50 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjlomKGR-YA
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2017-12-09T10:51:13 < MrMobius> guys I wrote a new program in c#. here is the source:
2017-12-09T10:51:14 < MrMobius> Console.WriteLine("Hello!");
2017-12-09T10:51:23 < MrMobius> Console.ReadKey();
2017-12-09T10:51:34 < MrMobius> and it only takes up 6mb of ram
2017-12-09T10:51:39 < MrMobius> technology is amazing
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2017-12-09T11:05:35 < kakimir_> anyone played with ccan rom api in lpc world?
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2017-12-09T11:33:37 < Steffanx> MrMobius, can you just leave? Your bashing takes up too much of my RAM.
2017-12-09T11:34:28 < MrMobius> Steffanx, sorry to monopolize the convo
2017-12-09T11:35:38 < Steffanx> :P
2017-12-09T11:37:11 < Steffanx> Was just a bad joke MrMobius.
2017-12-09T11:37:23 < MrMobius> Me too :P
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2017-12-09T12:26:29 < dongs> Steffanx: can you +i/-i the channel
2017-12-09T12:26:34 < dongs> it seems after teh split some people cant rejoin
2017-12-09T12:26:39 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o zyp] by ChanServ
2017-12-09T12:26:42 -!- mode/##stm32 [+i] by zyp
2017-12-09T12:26:44 < dongs> (or someone
2017-12-09T12:26:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [-i] by zyp
2017-12-09T12:26:45 < dongs> thanks zyp
2017-12-09T12:26:52 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o zyp] by ChanServ
2017-12-09T12:30:18 < Steffanx> Im for 99.9% sure that wont solve the problem for those people dongs.
2017-12-09T12:30:26 < Steffanx> those people are dumb :P
2017-12-09T12:30:27 < dongs> thats what it seems
2017-12-09T12:30:38 < Steffanx> Tell your buddy to join ##stm32 and not #stm32
2017-12-09T12:30:54 < zyp> oh, so that's what's going on
2017-12-09T12:30:55 < zyp> haha
2017-12-09T12:30:56 < dongs> i did
2017-12-09T12:30:57 < dongs> no
2017-12-09T12:31:11 < dongs> o yeah
2017-12-09T12:31:14 < dongs> he is trying to join the # one
2017-12-09T12:31:15 < dongs> lol dicks
2017-12-09T12:31:40 < Steffanx> it had a redirect, but freenode messing with the services screwed that up it seems
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2017-12-09T12:34:16 < dongs> ^ the dick who was trying to join #stm32
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2017-12-09T12:38:14 <@Steffanx> now you can join #stm32 again mr oz4ga
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2017-12-09T12:39:15 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2017-12-09T12:39:48 < oz4ga> thnx. As dongs so eloquently pointed out in priv msg, I'm an idiot it's not #stm32 but ##stm32. I better surf to piv.pivpiv.dk :D
2017-12-09T12:40:07 < Steffanx> nah, now you can join #stm32 too. Fixed the redirect.
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2017-12-09T14:15:42 < dongs> fuck feenode for breaking irc protocol and even making a fucking difference
2017-12-09T14:22:23 < Steffanx> Whats tha problem mr dongs?
2017-12-09T14:26:12 < dongs> the ## shit
2017-12-09T14:26:20 < dongs> and the way they do channel redirection
2017-12-09T14:26:22 < dongs> is also out of spec
2017-12-09T15:05:57 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/tEwfJBq.png this one's for jadew
2017-12-09T15:18:27 < jpa-> meh, so stupid to declare assert_fail() as noreturn - that just causes gcc to optimize away all the nice debug info you might want in your backtrace
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2017-12-09T17:17:40 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/java_shit is that you dongs?
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2017-12-09T17:59:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.prusa3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ultimachine_einsy_rambo_min.jpg
2017-12-09T17:59:25 < Laurenceb_> freaking 3d printer tards
2017-12-09T17:59:49 < Laurenceb_> >literally the most pro thing they could make
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2017-12-09T18:33:24 < Steffanx> Arguments Laurenceb_ ..?
2017-12-09T18:33:38 < Laurenceb_> check the pcb
2017-12-09T18:33:55 < Laurenceb_> see any stm32? Or do you see tarduino
2017-12-09T18:34:04 < kakimir> what is that Laurenceb_ ?
2017-12-09T18:34:16 < Laurenceb_> latest Prusa printer controller
2017-12-09T18:34:25 < Laurenceb_> supposedly the most pro 3d printer
2017-12-09T18:34:39 < kakimir> I don't see a problem
2017-12-09T18:34:48 < kakimir> but connectors are a mess
2017-12-09T18:34:56 < Laurenceb_> >arduino is that way
2017-12-09T18:35:12 < kakimir> is it arduino?
2017-12-09T18:35:15 < Laurenceb_> yes
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2017-12-09T18:35:17 < kakimir> meeeh
2017-12-09T18:35:53 < Steffanx> 99.9% controllers are arduino based
2017-12-09T18:36:26 < Steffanx> of the controllers*
2017-12-09T18:36:57 < englishman> yea
2017-12-09T18:36:59 < BrainDamage> remember who's the audience and it makes perfect sense
2017-12-09T18:36:59 < englishman> Laurenceb_: https://github.com/MarlinFirmware/Marlin
2017-12-09T18:37:07 < englishman> they are all clones of clones of clones of
2017-12-09T18:37:15 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg
2017-12-09T18:38:07 < Laurenceb_> well I just found out I can get a second hand EOS P110
2017-12-09T18:38:13 < kakimir> tarduino
2017-12-09T18:38:15 < Laurenceb_> so no need for shitty printers
2017-12-09T18:38:29 < kakimir> I have never coded a line of tarduino code
2017-12-09T18:38:39 < Laurenceb_> me neither
2017-12-09T18:38:39 < kakimir> me proud
2017-12-09T18:38:55 < kakimir> I don't believe in easy way
2017-12-09T18:39:05 < Steffanx> Have a spare 100k Laurenceb_ ?
2017-12-09T18:39:18 < kakimir> only hard, mad and madhard way
2017-12-09T18:39:34 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: yeah
2017-12-09T18:40:00 < englishman> he saves a lot by living in a 2m^2 windowless basement
2017-12-09T18:41:14 < Steffanx> I know someone with a windowless office
2017-12-09T18:41:48 < Laurenceb_> yeah, me
2017-12-09T18:54:57 < PaulFertser> https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter targets ARM boards too
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2017-12-09T19:15:16 < Steffanx> Heh, that guy was around here when he started that. I believe he was loved, as only ##stm32 can love people.
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2017-12-09T19:31:27 < Steffanx> PaulFertser just uses marlin for his anet i guess?
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2017-12-09T19:53:43 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, repetier
2017-12-09T19:59:07 < Tectu_> any RF wizards here?
2017-12-09T19:59:30 < Tectu_> I have some chip antenna and I'd like to know how restrictive an aluminium wall would be
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2017-12-09T20:02:48 < kakimir> http://www.easylife.org/fufme/ innovation
2017-12-09T20:03:03 < kakimir> nsfw maybe
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2017-12-09T20:05:02 < kakimir> is there a way to do conditional operation for a list?
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2017-12-09T20:06:09 < Steffanx> Better tell us what you want and what language you're using mr kakimir
2017-12-09T20:06:37 < kakimir> if variable wee is equal with(OR) [stuff, stuff, stuff]
2017-12-09T20:06:39 < kakimir> C
2017-12-09T20:07:20 < kakimir> so it would do conditional check with every element in list and then OR it all
2017-12-09T20:09:40 < kakimir> conditional check with same variable and same operator
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2017-12-09T20:13:49 < Steffanx> Too lazy to iterate the list and do if-then-else?
2017-12-09T20:14:08 < srk> if we only can make boards for BGAs ourselves :D
2017-12-09T20:14:15 < srk> uh, scrollback
2017-12-09T20:14:25 < Steffanx> Better start using the belove ( by ##stm32) C# kakimir :P
2017-12-09T20:14:51 < Steffanx> *beloved
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2017-12-09T20:55:21 < englishman> come back Tectu we love you
2017-12-09T20:56:49 < Steffanx> we do?
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2017-12-09T20:59:17 < Steffanx> like we love ARROW, englishman?
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2017-12-09T21:02:36 < englishman> yes love ARROW
2017-12-09T21:02:54 < englishman> they ran out of this one part so i had to buy them from digikey for almost $500 more
2017-12-09T21:06:14 < srk> Laurenceb_: iirc it's based on RAMBO
2017-12-09T21:06:35 < srk> looks like my control is going to run on STM32F437ZIT7
2017-12-09T21:06:38 < Laurenceb_> kill those VC
2017-12-09T21:07:04 < Laurenceb_> reds under the printer beds
2017-12-09T21:08:50 < srk> I would argue that any of this 8bit controllers is "advanced" in any way :D
2017-12-09T21:09:04 < srk> fortunately there are 32bit firmwares already
2017-12-09T21:23:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42222939    serious news
2017-12-09T21:24:23 < Laurenceb_> "IRL is taking on a culture of its own,"
2017-12-09T21:24:47 < Laurenceb_> how long before bbc news report on chan interboard warz
2017-12-09T21:26:37 < BrainDamage> why don't you take a boob job and then start raking cash, you could pair with your cousin for extra money
2017-12-09T21:26:44 < Laurenceb_> ewww
2017-12-09T21:26:49 < Laurenceb_> wincest
2017-12-09T21:27:03 < Laurenceb_> she no longer cams since she got preggerz
2017-12-09T21:27:10 < Laurenceb_> inb4 "ur babby?"
2017-12-09T21:27:38 < Laurenceb_> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/0AA0/production/_99002720_3c913529-291b-4615-88b7-81a1bbcd6a5d.jpg
2017-12-09T21:28:34 < Laurenceb_> they see me rollin, they hatin
2017-12-09T21:31:26 < Steffanx> cousin.. that aint incest.
2017-12-09T21:31:41 < Steffanx> At least, i believe it's not in this country.
2017-12-09T21:32:50 < MrMobius> do you live in Arkansas steffan?
2017-12-09T21:33:08 < Steffanx> Dutchland, mr MrMobius. The one and only dutchland
2017-12-09T21:33:18 < Steffanx> Fuck yankeeland
2017-12-09T21:33:34 < Steffanx> :P
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2017-12-09T21:33:58 < MrMobius> is that the part of pennsylvania with all the amish?
2017-12-09T21:34:23 < BrainDamage> there's more to the world than the us
2017-12-09T21:35:17 < Steffanx> MrMobius, the country of the weed, red light district, wind mills and tullips..
2017-12-09T21:35:31 < BrainDamage> and wooden shoes
2017-12-09T21:35:38 < BrainDamage> do you actually own a pair?
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2017-12-09T22:04:36 < Steffanx> lol no, BrainDamage
2017-12-09T22:04:41 < Steffanx> I did as a child, but ..
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2017-12-09T23:35:11 < upgrdman> dutchland == netherlands right? and deutchland == germany?
2017-12-09T23:35:25 < upgrdman> stupid 'murican here
2017-12-09T23:35:26 < sync> deutschland, yes
2017-12-09T23:35:34 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-09T23:36:09 < Steffanx> Dutchland is kinda made up. upgrdman
2017-12-09T23:36:17 < Steffanx> The word that is.
2017-12-09T23:36:18 < solrize> ditchland
2017-12-09T23:36:35 < upgrdman> Steffanx, so on a map, what is the name of the country you claim to come from?
2017-12-09T23:36:47 < Steffanx> The Netherlands
2017-12-09T23:36:49 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-09T23:36:54 < Steffanx> Or maybe Holland
2017-12-09T23:36:59 < solrize> or .nl as they say on the internet
2017-12-09T23:37:22 < upgrdman> why two names? is one your name and one the american name for your contry?
2017-12-09T23:37:47 < solrize> it's like england  / united kingdom
2017-12-09T23:38:11 < upgrdman> english is part of the uk. so .nl is part of holland?
2017-12-09T23:38:16 < upgrdman> england*
2017-12-09T23:38:35 < solrize> i think it's the other way, holland is part of nl, but steffanx would know better than me ;)
2017-12-09T23:39:16 < Steffanx> Holland is part of the netherlands. Its mainly some historic name.
2017-12-09T23:39:24 < upgrdman> ok, cool
2017-12-09T23:39:47 < solrize> are friesland and flanders part of holland / do they still exist as named regions ?
2017-12-09T23:39:53 < Steffanx> Back in the time when the netherlands still meant something.
2017-12-09T23:40:02 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ?
2017-12-09T23:40:11 < solrize> or are they part of nl while being outside of holland, like scotland is outside england
2017-12-09T23:40:24 < Steffanx> Flanders, no. Friesland is part of NL. Flanders is Belgium ;)
2017-12-09T23:40:29 < solrize> oh ok :)
2017-12-09T23:41:05 < solrize> but is friesland part of holland?  i'm trying to figure out if holland = nl or is a proper subset
2017-12-09T23:41:53 < Steffanx> Holland is from the time dutchland was one of the countries discovering/invading other countries over seas
2017-12-09T23:42:06 < upgrdman> the golden era
2017-12-09T23:42:07 < Steffanx> Its part of nl solrize :P
2017-12-09T23:42:15 < solrize> thanks :)
2017-12-09T23:43:18 < Steffanx> Yeah, we shouldve kept New York, upgrdman ;)
2017-12-09T23:43:36 < upgrdman> you should come back and take it. ny is full of dicks.
2017-12-09T23:43:46 < upgrdman> >_>
2017-12-09T23:44:16 < Steffanx> We should paint our ship purple then and make it a gay pride.
2017-12-09T23:44:22 < Steffanx> Ships*
2017-12-09T23:44:31 < upgrdman> yes
2017-12-09T23:45:30 < Steffanx> Sadly we hardly have war ships.
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2017-12-10T00:10:59 < MrMobius> just don't mix up Friesland with East Friesland, which is part of Germany
2017-12-10T00:12:36 < MrMobius> and the Friesish dialect is supposed to be the closest living relative to modern English
2017-12-10T00:19:39 < englishman> lol these guys "cant find" xy data in their altidumb project and want me to handplace
2017-12-10T00:19:40 < englishman> yeah no
2017-12-10T00:41:16 < upgrdman> any one been stupid enough to run a usb memory stick through a clothes washer? let it dry for a day or two and it'll work fine? "i'm asking for a friend"
2017-12-10T00:46:37 < BrainDamage> rinse it trough few cycles of deionized water, and then ethanol
2017-12-10T00:47:02 < BrainDamage> you want to remove any conductive reside that's been left
2017-12-10T00:47:11 < BrainDamage> the ethanol is to displace the water
2017-12-10T00:50:49 < upgrdman> k
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2017-12-10T00:54:08 < kakimir> Steffanx: too lazy
2017-12-10T00:54:55 < kakimir> and writing open such pile of condition operators is prone to errors
2017-12-10T00:56:37 < kakimir> X macro way?
2017-12-10T00:56:46 < kakimir> x macro does everything
2017-12-10T01:02:09 < kakimir> in this case I have list of 2
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2017-12-10T01:02:16 < kakimir> why not write 10lines of code for it
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2017-12-10T01:55:05 < kakimir> can live parameters be sent to debug m3 application via debugger any possible way?
2017-12-10T01:55:52 < kakimir> target running all the time
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2017-12-10T02:54:33 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/b3OKwBH
2017-12-10T02:54:35 < Laurenceb_> oh hi there
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2017-12-10T03:04:43 < kakimir> what is that Laurenceb_ ?
2017-12-10T03:04:49 < kakimir> what does it mean?
2017-12-10T03:07:21 < Laurenceb_> its a typical Britbong normie
2017-12-10T03:07:32 < Laurenceb_> when u troll muricans https://imgur.com/VgnLlaS
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2017-12-10T03:23:54 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/KNX41PF.jpg
2017-12-10T03:30:17 < Cracki> germanistan is a lot closer to reality than some might think
2017-12-10T03:31:40 < Laurenceb_> lol kakimir
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2017-12-10T04:47:11 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pk8J13x5iw
2017-12-10T04:47:27 < Laurenceb_> tfw you forgot to put the fake emdrive in place before firing up the kit
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2017-12-10T05:46:30 < MrMobius> i ate most of a bag of chocolate chips
2017-12-10T05:46:33 < MrMobius> my eyes hurt
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2017-12-10T09:13:22 < dongs> In Japan, more people choke to death than die in traffic accidents. AND JAPAN IS DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/choke-proof-food/546572
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2017-12-10T10:33:56 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/rJKURer.gifv
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2017-12-10T10:49:03 < dongs> BREAKING: Raging Muslims attempt to storm American embassy in Beirut, Lebanon; Security forces fire tear gas; multiple injuries reported; Watch live -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuUA8KDNmP0
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2017-12-10T14:20:06 < lomas> Hi, I am using STM32F0 disco board. I am trying to run RTC with LSE Crystal. The I just made connection of Crystal on the board without the bypass crystal capacitors. The program gets stuck in this statement: while(RCC_GetFlagStatus(RCC_FLAG_LSERDY) == RESET);. I know its recomended but is it mandatory to put capacitors across the crystals ?
2017-12-10T14:22:15 < jpa-> it's quite mandatory if you want to get the right frequency, and i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work at all without
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2017-12-10T14:26:29 < lomas> jpa-, So its 6.8pF of capacitor is seen connected in the schematics included in the STM32F0 disco manual. What if I connect another value of capacitor like 22pF ?
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2017-12-10T14:29:53 < jpa-> lomas: the capacitor should match the crystal you are using
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2017-12-10T14:30:19 < jpa-> i.e. look up load capacitance in the crystal datasheet, look up pin capacitance in stm32 datasheet, google for the formula and see what it gives
2017-12-10T14:30:45 < jpa-> for 32kHz LSE crystals, some 20-30 pF is a quite typical value
2017-12-10T14:33:52 < lomas> Okay thank you jpa-, I was not aware of the formulas for calculating suitable capacitor values. Would be please if you could suggest any good text.
2017-12-10T14:34:28 < jpa-> maybe http://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/cd00221665.pdf
2017-12-10T14:35:22 < lomas> I found the save on adafruit blog.
2017-12-10T14:35:26 < lomas> *same
2017-12-10T14:35:44 < jpa-> it's pretty complex though, you'll probably find simpler explanations elsewhere
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2017-12-10T17:15:18 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14mPAZkJvd4
2017-12-10T17:25:20 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hover-hand
2017-12-10T17:25:22 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-12-10T17:26:52 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/91480-hover-hand
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2017-12-10T17:34:40 < Steffanx> page should be updated with balloon tie guy
2017-12-10T17:52:51 < qyx> yes, the LSE needs caps, I use 12pF for LSE and 22pF for HSE
2017-12-10T17:53:05 < qyx> no datasheets/formulas/whatever, too lazy
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2017-12-10T19:18:47 < Fleck> snow! :)
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2017-12-10T19:19:16 < englishman> same here Fleck
2017-12-10T19:19:19 < Fleck> not for a long tho ;(
2017-12-10T19:20:23 < BrainDamage> snowed here too, i had a brief debate with my common sense earlier, which lost, then went snow drifting
2017-12-10T19:20:59 < Fleck> http://fleck.rullz.lv/skatcam/viewcam.php?cam=4
2017-12-10T19:21:06 < Fleck> this is how it looks here atm ;)
2017-12-10T19:21:23 < BrainDamage> where's 'here'?
2017-12-10T19:21:53 < Fleck> lv, Ventspils
2017-12-10T19:22:37 < Fleck> https://www.google.lv/maps/@57.4036217,21.5897327,3a,75y,86.4h,79.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swMEzijqhGl_kWg6rH4sqSg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DwMEzijqhGl_kWg6rH4sqSg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D206.31554%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=lv
2017-12-10T19:22:43 < Fleck> here BrainDamage! :p
2017-12-10T19:23:17 < BrainDamage> latvia would've been sufficient :P
2017-12-10T19:24:07 < Fleck> most ppl don't know where/what latvia is :P
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2017-12-10T19:25:43 < englishman> it's finland's mexico
2017-12-10T19:25:52 < Steffanx> snow here too, Fleck :P
2017-12-10T19:26:17 < Fleck> awesome! :)
2017-12-10T19:26:43 < BrainDamage> englishman: no, that'd be estonia, they even have a ferry to tallinn where people import massive amount of booze and get shitfaced
2017-12-10T19:26:53 < englishman> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/RismD4s.jpg
2017-12-10T19:27:42 < englishman> heh i saw the same thing with sweden-gdansk
2017-12-10T19:28:30 < Steffanx> diner time!
2017-12-10T19:29:10 < Steffanx> First time i see that road in full xmas mode Fleck
2017-12-10T19:29:33 < Fleck> heh
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2017-12-10T20:39:31 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/k9kecfV.gif
2017-12-10T20:39:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, ^
2017-12-10T20:42:22 < branjb> lol
2017-12-10T20:47:25 < Steffanx> <Insert Nick here>: Old.
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2017-12-10T21:08:29 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/tvl4e3l1iz201.gif
2017-12-10T21:11:19 < Steffanx> How is your day mr upgrdman?
2017-12-10T21:11:26 < upgrdman> good
2017-12-10T21:11:38 < upgrdman> refinishing my ikea gerton
2017-12-10T21:11:43 < Steffanx> Im glad to hear that.
2017-12-10T21:11:48 < Steffanx> !google gerton
2017-12-10T21:12:19 < upgrdman> hows your day?
2017-12-10T21:12:41 < Steffanx> It was OK.
2017-12-10T21:16:00 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/y51g2noqcz201.jpg
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2017-12-10T21:24:49 < englishman> millennials irl
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2017-12-10T21:34:18 < kakimir_> I try to flash bigger variable than bank size in my lpc
2017-12-10T21:34:39 < kakimir_> there is complain from load function
2017-12-10T21:34:59 < kakimir_> it whines at 64kB mark that cannot write
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2017-12-10T22:25:35 < MrMobius> drawing fonts is really shit work
2017-12-10T22:26:04 < MrMobius> I wonder how much trouble I would get in for screenshoting MS fonts and rip those off
2017-12-10T22:26:46 < Steffanx> Real pros use mcufont, by the one and only jpa-
2017-12-10T22:27:15 < MrMobius> ok cool
2017-12-10T22:27:15 < MrMobius> how can I rip that shit off without him knowing?
2017-12-10T22:27:46 < Steffanx> How can you not know him?
2017-12-10T22:27:54 < Steffanx> Know your fellow ##stm32 mates
2017-12-10T22:28:14 < MrMobius> hehe thats why I said without him knowing
2017-12-10T22:28:29 < Steffanx> oh, i dont know how to unknown someone.
2017-12-10T22:28:34 < Steffanx> -n
2017-12-10T22:29:13 < Steffanx> Just clone his repo. He wont notice. And i wont tell
2017-12-10T22:30:35 < MrMobius> v nice
2017-12-10T22:30:42 < MrMobius> its already in an array for me
2017-12-10T22:45:58 < englishman> all my projects have jpalibs
2017-12-10T22:49:06 < Steffanx> Yeah, all projects need nanopb
2017-12-10T22:49:37 < zyp> jpa- tends to make libs that are actually useful for other people, and then not use them himself
2017-12-10T22:49:58 < zyp> so opposite of me, I just make the shit I need
2017-12-10T22:50:40 < Steffanx> hah
2017-12-10T23:03:46 < karlp> kakimir: re sending params to app, sure, you just write to memory. gdb help set...
2017-12-10T23:04:41 < MrMobius> Im the opposite of both of those things
2017-12-10T23:04:49 < MrMobius> I make things that are not useful that noone uses
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2017-12-10T23:23:15 < Fleck> zyp: don't make shit, make good stuff! :)
2017-12-10T23:26:34 < Steffanx> You no more work on that project you once showed me, Fleck?
2017-12-10T23:27:06 < Fleck> I have worked on many projects, what are you talking about?
2017-12-10T23:27:31 < Steffanx> <
2017-12-10T23:31:56 < zyp> Fleck, teach me how
2017-12-10T23:32:04 < Fleck> riiight
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2017-12-10T23:49:41 < Steffanx> Stop eating.. and you wont produce shit no more.
2017-12-10T23:53:23 < BrainDamage> nonsense, there's a user here whos's capable to produce shit from typing alone
2017-12-10T23:53:34 < Fleck> sooo clever Steffanx ;p
2017-12-10T23:55:09 < Fleck> BrainDamage: not just one actualy
2017-12-10T23:55:32 < Fleck> *actually
2017-12-10T23:56:35 < Fleck> but ohh well, let's talk about stm32 :)
--- Day changed Mon Dec 11 2017
2017-12-11T00:00:52 < Steffanx> Hah, so true BrainDamage
2017-12-11T00:02:10 < Fleck> what is the smallest/cheapest stm32 that has DMA2D ?
2017-12-11T00:15:07 < Steffanx> Only L4/F4/F7 have that right?
2017-12-11T00:15:21 < Steffanx> And H7 ofcourse
2017-12-11T00:15:45 < Fleck> no clue, stm32 selector is no help here ;P
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2017-12-11T00:18:40 < stvn> hello welcome;
2017-12-11T00:20:43 < stvn> good morning steffan!
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2017-12-11T00:29:35 < Steffanx> Hi mr curt
2017-12-11T00:30:37 < Steffanx> How is your day?
2017-12-11T00:30:52 < stvn> quite good
2017-12-11T00:30:58 < stvn> how about stffn?
2017-12-11T00:31:13 < Steffanx> My day came to an end
2017-12-11T00:31:29 < Steffanx> Or is getting there
2017-12-11T00:33:03 < stvn> this is just getting started
2017-12-11T00:33:09 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOLYkBQjka8
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2017-12-11T00:44:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=the+art+of+the+argument&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=208769303962&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7693419244324066878&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046607&hvtargid=kwd-348266168143&ref=pd_sl_9hm3tlifnj_e
2017-12-11T00:44:38 < Laurenceb_> this is real O_o
2017-12-11T00:46:15 < MrMobius> this is real too
2017-12-11T00:46:16 < MrMobius> https://www.amazon.com/Shark-Seahorse-Publishing-Classic-ManLove-ebook/dp/B0074AV7FQ
2017-12-11T00:47:26 < stvn> rofl
2017-12-11T00:47:31 < Laurenceb_> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Argument-Western-Civilizations-Stand/product-reviews/1548742074/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&sortBy=recent#R18JXEOOH4MW3F
2017-12-11T00:48:11 < stvn> the art of ##stm32
2017-12-11T00:54:21 < Fleck> where do you get your stm32s?
2017-12-11T00:55:00 < stvn> digikey or mouser
2017-12-11T00:58:59 < Steffanx> ARROW. Ask englishman
2017-12-11T00:59:09 < englishman> gross
2017-12-11T01:00:01 < stvn> :D
2017-12-11T01:00:01 < Steffanx> Did you catch it englishman ? Or no fresh meat for you today?
2017-12-11T01:00:46 < englishman> no hunting i was just out for a rip
2017-12-11T01:01:16 < Steffanx> Awh
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2017-12-11T01:11:53 < stvn> well
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2017-12-11T01:31:55 < Laurenceb_> if we weren't meant to eat people, why are they made from meat?
2017-12-11T01:32:07 < englishman> hola Tectu
2017-12-11T01:32:23 < Tectu> hi
2017-12-11T01:32:47 < englishman> how are the high speed innovations
2017-12-11T01:36:22 < Laurenceb_> high speed -> hyperloop?
2017-12-11T01:36:37 < Laurenceb_>  /b/rogan/b/rogan
2017-12-11T01:38:44 < englishman> elon "tectu" musk
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2017-12-11T02:41:30 < kakimir_> we tried to make leaf motor run
2017-12-11T02:41:46 < kakimir_> apparently it needs right sequence of stuff
2017-12-11T02:42:01 < kakimir_> appart from can messages to it
2017-12-11T02:42:14 < kakimir_> it needs voltage ramp up
2017-12-11T02:42:38 < kakimir_> and main contactor then too
2017-12-11T02:58:16 < dongs> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/3-people-arrested-in-fire-bomb-attack-on-swedish-synagogue/2017/12/10/15d4b466-dd8e-11e7-b2e9-8c636f076c76_story.html?utm_term=.e4dddaa00907
2017-12-11T02:58:20 < dongs> rip kikemir
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2017-12-11T03:03:11 < kakimir_> swedes are interesting
2017-12-11T03:03:24 < kakimir_> can not understand their country at all
2017-12-11T03:06:48 < sync> why
2017-12-11T03:06:58 < sync> do they sound like constant vomiting?
2017-12-11T03:07:32 < kakimir_> no
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2017-12-11T03:07:54 < kakimir_> they sound a bit posh
2017-12-11T03:13:37 < Laurenceb_> hobbyking to orbit coming up
2017-12-11T03:13:45 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43625.40
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2017-12-11T03:33:39 < Laurenceb_> scrubbed
2017-12-11T03:35:48 < dongs> wat
2017-12-11T03:35:52 < dongs> do youeven link
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2017-12-11T03:52:41 < Laurenceb_> the nasaspaceflight link
2017-12-11T03:52:55 < dongs> yeah i see some retarded forum full of unfunny
2017-12-11T03:52:59 < dongs> what specific thing am i looking for
2017-12-11T03:53:31 < dongs> livestream video is unavailable
2017-12-11T03:53:34 < dongs> if thats waht it was
2017-12-11T03:53:36 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI9mAhV8wz8
2017-12-11T03:55:17 < dongs> https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/940031491521757186
2017-12-11T03:55:20 < dongs> lol orbital traffic
2017-12-11T03:59:46 < Laurenceb_> talking of that site...
2017-12-11T03:59:53 < Laurenceb_> I wonder what is happening with emdrive
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2017-12-11T04:04:48 < branjb> probably so succesful he's keeping it a secret
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2017-12-11T04:22:11 < Laurenceb_> what the....
2017-12-11T04:22:32 < Laurenceb_> they are "simulating" emdrive flying to mars in blender
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2017-12-11T04:35:37 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net/ haha
2017-12-11T04:38:08 < aandrew> I like the byline: "Professional online beggar puts famous URLs on eBay"
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2017-12-11T04:42:31 < dongs> yes
2017-12-11T04:53:03 < jadew> is freenode in trouble?
2017-12-11T04:53:51 < tpw_rules> that article is from 2003
2017-12-11T04:53:55 < jadew> ah
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2017-12-11T05:29:10 < MrMobius> two of their shitty websites are still around
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2017-12-11T05:57:34 < Laurenceb_> is this like the million dollar homepage?
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2017-12-11T06:20:01 < MrMobius> steffan is carving wooden shows
2017-12-11T06:20:04 < MrMobius> for himself
2017-12-11T06:23:04 < MrMobius> not sure what time it is in Pennsylvania
2017-12-11T06:23:14 < MrMobius> or if he meant a different Dutchland
2017-12-11T06:23:23 < MrMobius> he might be Amish so who knows when he wakes up
2017-12-11T06:28:21 < branjb> anyone used st's powerSTEP01?
2017-12-11T06:32:02 < Laurenceb_> the trimatic or whatever its called is where its at
2017-12-11T06:32:27 < Laurenceb_> TMC22xx
2017-12-11T06:32:37 < Laurenceb_>  "Trinamic"
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2017-12-11T06:37:20 < dongs> dream of MAKE:Rs worldwide
2017-12-11T06:49:50 < branjb> trimatic doesn't have any 3A+ stepper ICs
2017-12-11T06:56:01 < jadew> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5691552/reviews
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2017-12-11T06:56:02 < jadew> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/reviews
2017-12-11T06:56:07 < jadew> yet, they have similar scores
2017-12-11T07:00:26 < jadew> just saw the last episode from the orville
2017-12-11T07:00:34 < jadew> it was good
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2017-12-11T07:28:00 < stvn> gooden targe
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2017-12-11T11:11:01 < dongs> BREAKING: Saudi Arabia lifts ban on movie theaters, will allow public cinemas to open March 2018. Earlier this year, the King granted females the right to obtain a driving license starting June 2018
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2017-12-11T11:32:57 < MrMobius> dongs, did you catch autism again?
2017-12-11T11:33:03 < dongs> yes
2017-12-11T11:33:35 < dongs> i was never free of it
2017-12-11T11:57:48 < Steffanx> MrMobius: dutchland aka the netherlands
2017-12-11T12:16:34 < jadew> has anyone here ever written with a permanent marker on $20-30k gear?
2017-12-11T12:16:58 < jadew> I keep seeing various items on ebay with shit written on their front panels
2017-12-11T12:17:05 < jadew> in permanent marker
2017-12-11T12:17:14 < jadew> I mean... wtf? what kind of person does that?
2017-12-11T12:17:37 < jadew> "oh, I'm out of stickers, better use the marker: Unit 1"
2017-12-11T12:18:17 < jadew> must be coming out of schools
2017-12-11T12:18:36 < jadew> because it has to be an environment where nobody gives a fuck
2017-12-11T12:19:55 < sync> Why not?
2017-12-11T12:20:10 < jadew> why not write on them?
2017-12-11T12:20:14 < sync> Yes
2017-12-11T12:20:15 < dongs> why the fuck would that even matter
2017-12-11T12:20:17 < jadew> cuz it's fucking ugly
2017-12-11T12:20:24 < sync> Who cares
2017-12-11T12:20:28 < sync> It works
2017-12-11T12:20:28 < dongs> youre not buying test equipment to look at how pretty it is
2017-12-11T12:20:31 < dongs> ^
2017-12-11T12:21:51 < jadew> still, it's permanent damage to the instrument
2017-12-11T12:21:55 < jadew> a sticker would do
2017-12-11T12:22:17 < karlp> stickers come off
2017-12-11T12:22:18 < dongs> i think youre just a faggot
2017-12-11T12:22:32 < dongs> i think im gonna grab a permanent sharpie and write 'jadew is a jew' on my riglol power supply
2017-12-11T12:24:22 < jadew> don't know, I'm bothered by this kind of shit
2017-12-11T12:24:28 < jadew> it would alwyas distract me
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2017-12-11T12:48:06 < kakimir> guise
2017-12-11T12:48:09 < kakimir> hello
2017-12-11T12:53:39 < kakimir> need to ask you do you know any integrated solutions for power bank usb output power and all the led bars and buttons?
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2017-12-11T12:55:57 < tomeaton17> Is there a way to test that my chip is working properly without a debugger
2017-12-11T12:56:18 < kakimir> chip you mean your codez?
2017-12-11T12:56:53 < tomeaton17> No, I have just got some new PCBs and I want to test that I will be able to program the stm32 when my debugger comes. Is it possible to do this without a debugger
2017-12-11T12:57:11 < Steffanx> Use a debugger. Or you might try the bootloader if your uc has it
2017-12-11T12:58:01 < kakimir> bit banging some swd signals!
2017-12-11T12:58:10 < kakimir> with raspberry pi!
2017-12-11T12:58:24 < kakimir> if you are desperate to test it
2017-12-11T12:58:49 < tomeaton17> Okay I will have to wait for my debugger to come then. Don't think I can use the uart interface because I hardwired the boot0 pin
2017-12-11T12:59:09 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: don't have raspberrypi?
2017-12-11T12:59:33 < tomeaton17> PaulFertser: I have a raspberry pi zero
2017-12-11T12:59:42 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: it can bitbang swd with openocd
2017-12-11T13:00:13 < tomeaton17> Hmm okay is there a tutorial for this anywhere?
2017-12-11T13:00:15 < sync> hardwiring boot0 is a sin
2017-12-11T13:00:41 < tomeaton17> Yeah my whole board is a sin
2017-12-11T13:00:44 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: not sure if anything is needed, you just run openocd on rpi...
2017-12-11T13:01:40 < tomeaton17> okay I will give it a go
2017-12-11T13:01:55 < tomeaton17> I will need some documentation to see how to wire it up
2017-12-11T13:05:04 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: basically, you can connect to any gpio you like, an example is given in the corresponding config file.
2017-12-11T13:05:23 < kakimir> ##sinners32
2017-12-11T13:05:26 < tomeaton17> Excellent. Thanks.
2017-12-11T13:05:54 < tomeaton17> Yeah I need a ##stm32confessional
2017-12-11T13:06:09 < qyx> I though that kakimir is doing lolz with the rpi
2017-12-11T13:06:27 < qyx> is the swd bitbanging thing really working?
2017-12-11T13:06:59 < Fleck> why shouldnt it?
2017-12-11T13:07:04 < kakimir> I would not ever but I have heard of it
2017-12-11T13:07:18 < kakimir> actually
2017-12-11T13:07:31 < kakimir> rpi has some crunch compared to other debuggers
2017-12-11T13:08:10 < kakimir> if someone would do SWO to it that can capture 12Mbps or so I would probs use it
2017-12-11T13:08:16 < qyx> I should steal the code
2017-12-11T13:08:24 < qyx> so I can debug a stm32 while debugging a stm32
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2017-12-11T13:13:42 < tomeaton17> yo dawg I heard you like debugging so we put a debugger on your debugger so you can debug while you debug
2017-12-11T13:18:21 < karlp> kakimir: you can just use any ttl uart device to receive swo, as fast as it can.
2017-12-11T13:21:32 < kakimir> it has that weird coding in it?
2017-12-11T13:22:01 < karlp> it can be manchester coded, but normally it's plan NRZ and any uart can read it.
2017-12-11T13:22:42 < karlp> or any LA if you want to see it inside sigrok alongside other probed pins for instance...
2017-12-11T13:23:59 < kakimir> what if I want to integrate it to my ide view with some plugin?
2017-12-11T13:24:33 < karlp> speak to your ide vendor
2017-12-11T13:24:40 < karlp> what sort of question was that?!
2017-12-11T13:25:06 < jadew> lol
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2017-12-11T13:31:16 < kakimir> I think MCUXpresso plugin supports only some nxp certified debugger
2017-12-11T13:31:27 < kakimir> but there is maybe some plugin other than that
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2017-12-11T13:41:23 < dongs> xpresso sounds like aids
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2017-12-11T13:55:07 < kakimir> it's superaids
2017-12-11T14:27:04 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/tek00000.png   if this was your SCK and MISO, would you be happy?
2017-12-11T14:27:30 < karlp> sweeeet
2017-12-11T14:28:08 < karlp> what's that, 13MHz?
2017-12-11T14:28:21 < jpa-> 2MHz SCK freq but it doesn't matter for the trouble
2017-12-11T14:28:48 < dongs> is your scope set to like 2MHz bandwidth limit
2017-12-11T14:29:08 < qyx> too curved traces
2017-12-11T14:29:18 < jpa-> spi slave pulls MISO down, causes capacitive spike to 0 on SCK, when it recovers slave puts next bit on MISO => everything fucked up
2017-12-11T14:29:19 < qyx> the electricity is bouncing
2017-12-11T14:29:44 < jpa-> someone designed this SPI bus to run over a long FPC that only has a single gnd pin
2017-12-11T14:30:05 < jadew> if it works, there's nothing wrong with slow edges
2017-12-11T14:30:09 < jadew> it's better for EMC
2017-12-11T14:30:33 < jadew> those dips in channel 1 don't look that great tho
2017-12-11T14:30:42 < jpa-> yeah, sck is so crazy slow actually because it has been filtered with RC low pass already, but it didn't help with MISO because that's coming from other end
2017-12-11T14:31:17 < jpa-> now adding random caps to SCK and NSS lines
2017-12-11T14:31:54 < jadew> just caps?
2017-12-11T14:32:04 < jpa-> yeah
2017-12-11T14:32:22 < jpa-> hoping to add enough capacitance so that they wouldn't get capacitive glitches
2017-12-11T14:32:45 < jpa-> slowing down MISO edges also kind-of works, but still has some noise
2017-12-11T14:33:04 < jadew> if you drive the caps directly you'll end up adding more noise to the system
2017-12-11T14:33:35 < jadew> because you'll drop a lot of current into them and that has to come from somewhere
2017-12-11T14:35:20 < qyx> unless you drive the spi pins with some fancy 10A mosfet drivers, this shouldn't be the case, should it?
2017-12-11T14:35:26 < qyx> gpios are kind of current limited
2017-12-11T14:37:34 < dongs> jpa have you alreadyt increased GPIO drive current to low speed?
2017-12-11T14:37:43 < dongs> or fast or whatever makes it increase
2017-12-11T15:03:46 < tomeaton17> I am trying out the raspberry pi gpio bitbang and openocd takes so long to compile...
2017-12-11T15:05:28 < dongs> haha
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2017-12-11T15:25:06 < Steffanx> Wb chanserv
2017-12-11T15:26:04  * karlp grins
2017-12-11T15:26:37 < jpa-> jadew: yeah, more noise to vcc, but vcc is easy to filter with caps
2017-12-11T15:26:58 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, with various combinations it doesn't work in various ways
2017-12-11T15:27:03 < jpa-> either noise or too slow
2017-12-11T15:29:27 < zyp> cute trace
2017-12-11T15:29:36 < zyp> Laurenceb_ level signal integrity
2017-12-11T15:31:17 < Laurenceb_> muh signalz?
2017-12-11T15:31:42 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/tek00002.png   this is my SCK now, better?
2017-12-11T15:31:52 < dongs> gross
2017-12-11T15:37:22 < karlp> is that the same timescale?
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2017-12-11T15:41:58 < qyx> sharky waveform
2017-12-11T15:45:02 < c10ud> lol
2017-12-11T15:55:28 < Laurenceb_> whats wrong with my signals
2017-12-11T15:55:34 < Laurenceb_> holy shit is that i2c?
2017-12-11T15:55:56 < tomeaton17> godamn I thought my one was bad
2017-12-11T15:56:21 < jadew> it's SPI, where the S stands for shark
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2017-12-11T15:56:33 < Laurenceb_> heh yeah that makes my 400khz i2c down 5m of cable look good
2017-12-11T15:56:38 < Laurenceb_> oh spi, ok
2017-12-11T15:57:35 < tomeaton17> Wow the new eevblog about the c# environment is cancer
2017-12-11T15:57:47 < Laurenceb_> >eevblog
2017-12-11T15:57:53 < Laurenceb_> >ever not cancer
2017-12-11T15:58:23 < dongs> wat
2017-12-11T15:59:45 < tomeaton17> Some of his videos are quite interesting but its just one of his crappy underlings talking about some garbage c#
2017-12-11T15:59:58 < tomeaton17> Showing how to make a calculator app for android great
2017-12-11T16:00:08 < Ultrasauce> slewed peripheral interface
2017-12-11T16:01:21 < Laurenceb_> >crappy discussion of c#
2017-12-11T16:01:28 < Laurenceb_> >implying that is the worst thing
2017-12-11T16:01:34 < Laurenceb_> >not emdrive and hyperloop
2017-12-11T16:01:44 < kakimir>  /join ##mcuoneclipse if you use eclipse for mcu codez
2017-12-11T16:02:05 < kakimir> so that you can help me more efficiently
2017-12-11T16:02:07 < kakimir> *
2017-12-11T16:02:23 < kakimir> nope.. just join
2017-12-11T16:02:59 < tomeaton17> Lol they are way worse
2017-12-11T16:03:07 < tomeaton17> But imo c# is up there with js
2017-12-11T16:04:35 < Laurenceb_> the internets cancer
2017-12-11T16:12:43 < Steffanx> Java 4 lyfe, tomeaton17 ?
2017-12-11T16:13:03 < Steffanx> Or do you prefer VB(.net)?
2017-12-11T16:13:42 < Laurenceb_> G.U.I. in visual basic
2017-12-11T16:18:19 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: Lol I am a c man myself or *gasp* python.
2017-12-11T16:20:30 < englishman> https://apnews.com/dd8abcf90a754ecab1db30d35153b694/Pipe-bomb-strapped-to-man-explodes-in-NYC-subway,-injuring-2
2017-12-11T16:23:16 < Steffanx> Better not tell dongs about python, tomeaton17
2017-12-11T16:23:41 < tomeaton17> Yeah I know he gets triggered easily
2017-12-11T16:27:49 < tomeaton17> The segger packaging is not premium at all
2017-12-11T16:28:05 < sync> does it have to be?
2017-12-11T16:28:29 < Laurenceb_> lul mumsnet are raiding /r9k/
2017-12-11T16:28:40 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-12-11T16:28:54 < sync> wew lad
2017-12-11T16:29:16 < Laurenceb_> spamming the board with talk about childcare and stuff
2017-12-11T16:29:19 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
2017-12-11T16:29:44 < Laurenceb_> mumsnet v 4chan warz are the best
2017-12-11T16:29:47 < tomeaton17> For the price you pay abit more would be nice
2017-12-11T16:30:40 < sync> that is why you get the chinaclone
2017-12-11T16:30:57 < sync> inb4 you complain about the packging of the $9 chinaclone
2017-12-11T16:31:10 < tomeaton17> well too late now
2017-12-11T16:31:28 < tomeaton17> lol thats not me
2017-12-11T16:31:31 < Steffanx> I would expect premium packaging from germans
2017-12-11T16:31:49 < englishman> have you figured out why you are blowing up debuggers? i think this should be item #1 on the innovation list
2017-12-11T16:32:57 < Laurenceb_> wut the
2017-12-11T16:33:04 < Laurenceb_> I've never killed a debugger
2017-12-11T16:33:39 < Laurenceb_> > hi /r9k/, can you suggest some baby names for me?
2017-12-11T16:33:41 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-12-11T16:34:05 < tomeaton17> Yes they got screwed up when trying to install bmp
2017-12-11T16:34:32 < Laurenceb_> >>534000 Treyquando
2017-12-11T16:35:11 < englishman> problem: found
2017-12-11T16:35:48 < Laurenceb_> >>534000 Muhammed
2017-12-11T16:36:27 < tomeaton17> Yeah so I am not messing around with crappy opensauce stuff now
2017-12-11T16:36:38 < Laurenceb_> >>534000 Caratacus
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2017-12-11T16:49:14 < kakimir> anyone done simple timer with lpc SCTimer?
2017-12-11T16:49:27 < kakimir> * with divider
2017-12-11T16:49:44 < kakimir> it's hard to find example code
2017-12-11T16:49:57 < kakimir> but easy to find examplecode for SCTPWM
2017-12-11T16:53:32 < kakimir> if someone had working example I could make my hx711 codez work in no time
2017-12-11T17:06:28 < jpa-> karlp: no, first one is 40ns/div, second one 1us/div
2017-12-11T17:06:49 < jpa-> turns out it was sharky because 100nF and 100pF caps got mixed :P
2017-12-11T17:11:30 < aandrew> haha
2017-12-11T17:11:46 < aandrew> mind you if you use that 100nF cap at rated voltage chances are it will be 100pF
2017-12-11T17:12:27 < jpa-> *at rated dc voltage, the integral will still be more for rated voltage changes :P
2017-12-11T17:15:18 < sync> depends on the cap, but yes
2017-12-11T17:19:40 < tomeaton17> Damn this jlink is nice. Took a while to get it working as the pinout is a bit confusing lol
2017-12-11T17:23:55 < jpa-> are you using it on windows or on linux?
2017-12-11T17:24:36 < tomeaton17> Linux
2017-12-11T17:25:00 < tomeaton17> I tried it on windows as well, the windows one seems nicer as the device dialog popup actually works
2017-12-11T17:25:42 < jpa-> does it have built-in usart? fast flashing? fast breakpoints?
2017-12-11T17:26:00 < jpa-> and was this the one you can get for free with stlinks, or a real jlink?
2017-12-11T17:29:20 < aandrew> jlink is shittier on windows
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2017-12-11T17:33:56 < kakimir> it is
2017-12-11T17:34:24 < tomeaton17> Well I havent really used it yet, that was the only difference I noticed
2017-12-11T17:39:27 < tomeaton17> I have the edu one
2017-12-11T17:44:47 < karlp> so, what's actualyl nicer about it then so far?
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2017-12-11T17:51:43 < Tectu> just bought an altium license. I'm now officially poor again
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2017-12-11T17:54:16 < zyp> neat
2017-12-11T17:58:33 < tomeaton17> The second rev of the board seems to work
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2017-12-11T18:02:26 < dongs> sales of uguufx must be pretty good
2017-12-11T18:06:20 < dongs> but that was a poor decision, 18 is out real soon and its gonna be a paid upgrade
2017-12-11T18:06:38 < dongs> because altidumb are fucking jews
2017-12-11T18:11:14 < englishman> i wouldnt upgrade to 18 for at least a year
2017-12-11T18:12:07 < dongs> if they fuck wiht any keyboard hotkeys or switch to ribbon, i aint gonna give them any more of my cash either
2017-12-11T18:12:09 < englishman> these guys specified some expensive panasonic resistor that they absolutely have to have to bias some transistor. p/n is for 510k, description is 510r
2017-12-11T18:12:45 < dongs> take an average and place it down
2017-12-11T18:13:34 < englishman> il leave it blank, give them two bags and lend them the hotair
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2017-12-11T18:32:11 < Laurenceb_> maybes try to work out wtf the design is doing?
2017-12-11T18:33:28 < dongs> hes not getting paid for that
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2017-12-11T18:56:44 < Laurenceb_> _tran_sexual
2017-12-11T19:01:37 < kakimir> jadew: https://venturebeat.com/2017/12/08/bitcoin-seized-by-bulgarias-government-now-worth-3-billion/
2017-12-11T19:02:28 < kakimir> deficit of 600,000?
2017-12-11T19:02:44 < kakimir> annually?
2017-12-11T19:02:54 < kakimir> in finlands it's like billions
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2017-12-11T19:03:09 < kakimir> wait.. it's the new debt
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2017-12-11T19:11:05 < kakimir> well deficit is probs same size
2017-12-11T19:11:09 < kakimir> peanuts
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2017-12-11T19:19:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
2017-12-11T19:19:14 < Laurenceb_> brownout imminent
2017-12-11T19:19:30  * Laurenceb_ turns on his electric heater for epin troll effects
2017-12-11T19:20:20 < kakimir> it's interesting when some main transformer explodes
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2017-12-11T19:21:56 < englishman> where can i get sandisk microsd in bulk
2017-12-11T19:22:44 < Laurenceb_> under my desk
2017-12-11T19:23:04 < Laurenceb_> but I forgot where they came from...
2017-12-11T19:23:10 < Laurenceb_> they do work with Fatfs
2017-12-11T19:24:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/322908049722?chn=ps&adgroupid=52137191441&rlsatarget=pla-380309522331&abcId=1129946&adtype=pla&merchantid=6995734&poi=&googleloc=9046607&device=c&campaignid=974961043&crdt=0
2017-12-11T19:24:19 < Laurenceb_> cool story bro
2017-12-11T19:25:08 < kakimir> interesting fatfs is picky with cards?
2017-12-11T19:26:38 < Laurenceb_> not usually
2017-12-11T19:26:48 < Laurenceb_> some weird nonname cards cause issues tho
2017-12-11T19:26:56 < Laurenceb_> and swissbit cards are shit
2017-12-11T19:27:03  * Laurenceb_ looks at Tectu
2017-12-11T19:27:17 < Laurenceb_> wew there is 400GB µSD now
2017-12-11T19:28:15 < Laurenceb_> and 1TB SD
2017-12-11T19:28:20 < englishman> $22.3 for 64gb seems to be the best
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2017-12-11T19:41:29 < upgrdman> englishman, 200GB sandisk cards go on sales for $50 ~twice a year
2017-12-11T19:41:40 < upgrdman> uSD
2017-12-11T19:41:41 < englishman> need 64gb
2017-12-11T19:41:44 < upgrdman> o
2017-12-11T19:41:56 < englishman> doesnt get much better than $23
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2017-12-11T19:47:27 < englishman> lol all these guy's previous boards are assembled with 510k when schema says 510r
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2017-12-11T20:05:54 < Ultrasauce> it's always a struggle to overcome bias in the workplace
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2017-12-11T20:22:33 < Laurenceb_> You cant scale down a infinite and ever growing vacuum of space
2017-12-11T20:22:46 < Laurenceb_> you cant properly scale down something thats infinite
2017-12-11T20:22:57 < Laurenceb_> You all are easily duped by science frauds
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2017-12-11T20:33:40 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SjKnnjcjI
2017-12-11T20:34:00 < Laurenceb_> its a troll r-right??
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2017-12-11T21:06:46 < emeb> just watch out for those 64GB cards - often come formatted with exFAT and that causes problems with fatfs unless you've got a very recent version properly tuned up.
2017-12-11T21:07:16 < emeb> I stick to 32GB or less for more generic FAT32 which works with all versions of fatfs w/o drama.
2017-12-11T21:08:48 < Laurenceb_> maybe this is the source of failpro dramaz
2017-12-11T21:08:53 < Laurenceb_> >ASMR isn't quite as stupid as you make out.
2017-12-11T21:09:02 < Laurenceb_> >Technically, ASMR refers to the shivers you feel in the back of your neck and/or spine when you hear certain sounds. Some people find that pleasurable.
2017-12-11T21:09:33 < emeb> I just call it frisson
2017-12-11T21:10:03 < emeb> but yeah - fatfs + exFAT = fail.
2017-12-11T21:10:21 < emeb> I haven't gotten it to work despite playing around with config options in a recent version.
2017-12-11T21:11:10 < emeb> exFAT also requires you to have long file name support turned on, which requires a fair chunk of SRAM set aside for all extra structures that needs.
2017-12-11T21:11:14 < englishman> emeb isnt fat32 limited to 32gb
2017-12-11T21:11:53 < emeb> fat32 is supposed to support much larger filesystems, but Microsoft always formats in exFAT when the device is larger than 32GB
2017-12-11T21:12:11 < englishman> oh yeah i know they are dicks about it
2017-12-11T21:12:16 < emeb> yep
2017-12-11T21:12:22 < englishman> but i thought 32gb was a filesystem limit
2017-12-11T21:12:40 < PaulFertser> emeb: what happens if you use plain old vfat on such an sd card?
2017-12-11T21:13:13 < emeb> PaulFertser: dunno - haven't dug too deeply into alternatives.
2017-12-11T21:13:17 < englishman> The boot sector uses a 32-bit field for the sector count, limiting the FAT32 volume size to 2 TiB for a sector size of 512 bytes and 16 TiB for a sector size of 4,096 bytes.
2017-12-11T21:13:20 < englishman> oh so its just ms
2017-12-11T21:13:20 < PaulFertser> emeb: I mean regular fat32
2017-12-11T21:13:28 < englishman> anyway this is formatted in lunix as part of qc
2017-12-11T21:14:03 < emeb> My application requires compatibility with hoi-polloi (n00bs working on Win/Mac) so I can't dictate complex setups.
2017-12-11T21:14:26 < emeb> we just told them "Stick to SD cards <= 32GB
2017-12-11T21:17:16 < qyx> isnt there some licensing thing going on with the sd foundation or how is it called
2017-12-11T21:17:45 < qyx> I remember reading something about it as if those cards had to be formatted to exfat
2017-12-11T21:17:48 < qyx> or what
2017-12-11T21:18:35 < qyx> ah, it is adopted as a standard fs for sdxc
2017-12-11T21:18:39 < qyx> sdhc ends at 32GB
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2017-12-11T21:51:29 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/1CNENsak
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2017-12-11T22:13:48 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43756.0
2017-12-11T22:13:53 < Laurenceb_> I cant even right now
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2017-12-11T22:14:18 < Laurenceb_> A real Mars journey may be shorter in times when few electric energy  compensate the dissipative process. More energy principle conservation need that mass decrease as pnn velocity increase.
2017-12-11T22:14:43 < Laurenceb_> more liek porn velocity
2017-12-11T22:15:02 < Laurenceb_> >Laureti
2017-12-11T22:15:04 < Laurenceb_> wasntme
2017-12-11T22:17:56 < Laurenceb_> this guy manages to actually be more retarded than Trumps nuclear speech
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2017-12-11T22:20:01 < Laurenceb_> >Mr. Laureti: Hi, My name is Paul March and I am the main lab experimenter for the NASA/JSC/Eagleworks Lab
2017-12-11T22:20:15 < Laurenceb_> Murican tax dollarz at work
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2017-12-11T22:23:29 < Laurenceb_> >I thank you for your  appreciation but little fortunate events in the past have led me to be who I am.
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2017-12-11T22:24:36 < Laurenceb_> https://wvecouncil.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Frankenstein-Monster.png
2017-12-11T22:24:49 < upgrdman> yay my lpc ethernet hard works with some lpc demo project. now the hard part... making it do what i want :/
2017-12-11T22:25:11 < upgrdman> at least i know my schematic / pcb works. wireshark shows assloads of valid packets
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2017-12-11T22:37:32 < englishman> how much current can i realistically push through a 5.5x2.5mm barrel jack
2017-12-11T22:37:38 < englishman> rating is 2.5A, seems low
2017-12-11T22:37:54 < upgrdman_> 2.5A seems kinda high if you dont want temp rise
2017-12-11T22:38:01 < Laurenceb_> 3d printer tard would prob push 25A
2017-12-11T22:38:07 < upgrdman_> barrel jacks have shit contacts
2017-12-11T22:38:17  * Laurenceb_ was looking at FDM 3dprintr specs
2017-12-11T22:38:21 < Laurenceb_> shit compared with SLS
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2017-12-11T22:39:42 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43507.0
2017-12-11T22:39:48 < Laurenceb_> this is a goldmine of lulz
2017-12-11T22:43:33 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/gallery/gE8hDnY
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2017-12-11T22:45:56 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41187.0
2017-12-11T22:46:09 < Laurenceb_> it is possible to be too mad for NSF
2017-12-11T22:50:22 < upgrdman_> in windows, if i just want direct ethernet between two devices, i can just plug some cat5 between them right, and windows will be smart enough to figure it out with needing a rounter in between?
2017-12-11T22:52:00 < qyx> yes
2017-12-11T22:52:06 < qyx> it will do the apipa thing
2017-12-11T22:52:24 < qyx> and setup addresses 169.254.random.random/16
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2017-12-11T22:53:12 < qyx> or set the interfaces to static ip mode and pick something sane from the same subnet
2017-12-11T22:53:55 < upgrdman_> k
2017-12-11T22:53:58 < upgrdman_> thx
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2017-12-11T22:55:15 < karlp> 4as long as your ports are new enough to do automdi-x, yes,
2017-12-11T22:55:20 < karlp> but that's... everything these years
2017-12-11T22:56:20 < PaulFertser> Also, IPv6 is enabled by default and you get link-local addresses there automatically.
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2017-12-11T23:08:11 < gxti> those are harder to use because they have to be qualified with an interface name, and most software tends to not support providing that
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2017-12-11T23:27:41 < BMWPower> Hi all
2017-12-11T23:28:01 < BMWPower> I am having troubles with the STM32F103C8T6 ADC on PA1....
2017-12-11T23:28:03 < upgrdman_> wtf is ziggo
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2017-12-11T23:40:14 < Laurenceb_> what the fuuuuuuu
2017-12-11T23:40:20 < Laurenceb_> >get email from wurk
2017-12-11T23:40:34 < Laurenceb_> >they accuse me of breaking ukp70k worth of kit
2017-12-11T23:40:43 < Laurenceb_> >2months ago
2017-12-11T23:40:51 < Laurenceb_> >and not telling anyone
2017-12-11T23:40:55 < zyp> so, did you?
2017-12-11T23:42:23  * karlp snickers
2017-12-11T23:42:43 < Laurenceb_> I literally can't even right now
2017-12-11T23:42:51 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should just quit already
2017-12-11T23:43:07 < BMWPower> someone has an idea with ADC and STM32
2017-12-11T23:43:11 < Laurenceb_> I literally dont know what kit they are even describing
2017-12-11T23:43:16 < BMWPower> I just want to read the analogue value
2017-12-11T23:44:45 < zyp> BMWPower, what's your question?
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2017-12-11T23:47:43 < karlp> kicad wtf? https://imgur.com/a/aF9nf
2017-12-11T23:48:03 < BMWPower> I get strange values from my ADC (LDR) pin PA1...
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2017-12-11T23:50:08 < BMWPower> and when I decouble the wire the values stay the same...
2017-12-11T23:50:19 < BMWPower> Analogue I do see the voltage changing on my LDR
2017-12-11T23:50:53 < zyp> strange how? how are you reading the ADC?
2017-12-11T23:50:56 < karlp> same as this, https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/327055/why-isnt-my-ground-plane-in-kicad-connecting-all-of-my-grounds
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2017-12-11T23:51:37 < BMWPower> https://pastebin.com/5spHPKGw
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2017-12-11T23:52:40 < Laurenceb_> IT IS TIME
2017-12-11T23:52:45 < Laurenceb_> time to email HR
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2017-12-11T23:52:55 < zyp> BMWPower, does ADC_Channel_12 correspond to PA1?
2017-12-11T23:53:28 < zyp> oh, wait
2017-12-11T23:53:29 < zyp> haha
2017-12-11T23:53:32 < zyp> I get it
2017-12-11T23:54:07 < zyp> GPIO_InitStructure.GPIO_Pin = GPIO_Pin_2; // that's ADC0 (PA1 on STM32) ADC12_IN1
2017-12-11T23:54:13 < BMWPower> This code I tried PA2
2017-12-11T23:54:30 < BMWPower> Thats why I configured Pin_2
2017-12-11T23:54:38 < zyp> yeah?
2017-12-11T23:55:00 < BMWPower> and ADC1
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2017-12-11T23:55:37 < zyp> so, how do you interpret ADC12_IN1?
2017-12-11T23:55:39 < karlp> adc_channel 12?
2017-12-11T23:55:42 < karlp> pin2?
2017-12-11T23:55:50 < zyp> karlp, ssh
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2017-12-11T23:56:19 < BMWPower> Yeah thats my problem I think?
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2017-12-11T23:56:29 < zyp> BMWPower, so, how do you interpret ADC12_IN1?
2017-12-11T23:56:45 < zyp> as in, what meaning do you get out of that?
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2017-12-11T23:56:46 < BMWPower> ADC12 pin 1?
2017-12-11T23:56:54 < zyp> what is ADC12?
2017-12-11T23:57:48 < BMWPower> Yes I only have ADC1 and ADC2
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2017-12-11T23:58:08 < BMWPower> ADC12 ... I searching how to interpret this
2017-12-11T23:58:34 < zyp> ADC12_IN1 means that the pin is connected to channel 1 on both ADC1 and ADC2
2017-12-11T23:58:49 < zyp> i.e. ADC12 is a shorthand for writing ADC1 and ADC2
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2017-12-11T23:59:22 < zyp> so it does not have anything to do with channel 12 or similar
2017-12-11T23:59:44 < BMWPower> ahhh oke
2017-12-11T23:59:47 < Steffanx> Better pastebin that email Laurenceb_
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2017-12-12T00:00:01 < Steffanx> Both the email you got and your reply
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2017-12-12T00:00:14 < zyp> Steffanx, good idea
2017-12-12T00:00:23 < zyp> I can make some popcorn
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2017-12-12T00:01:34 < BMWPower> Changed Pin 1
2017-12-12T00:01:42 < BMWPower> ADC_RegularChannelConfig(ADC1, ADC_Channel_1, 1, ADC_SampleTime_1Cycles5);
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2017-12-12T00:02:09 < karlp> that seems like excessively short sampling ttime, but that's a different matter.
2017-12-12T00:02:21 < karlp> now you need to make sure that your gpio pin matches your adc chahnnel
2017-12-12T00:02:29 < BMWPower> PA1
2017-12-12T00:02:51 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: I'm not going to reply
2017-12-12T00:03:00 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: only reply is going to HR
2017-12-12T00:03:14 < BMWPower> PA1 I/O - PA1
2017-12-12T00:03:14 < BMWPower> USART2_RTS(9)/
2017-12-12T00:03:14 < BMWPower> ADC12_IN1
2017-12-12T00:03:25 < BMWPower> Datasheet page 29
2017-12-12T00:03:45 < BMWPower> PA1 has alternate function ADC12_IN1
2017-12-12T00:03:58 < karlp> right, and what gpio number is that?
2017-12-12T00:04:29 < BMWPower> GPIO_Pin_1....
2017-12-12T00:04:41 < BMWPower> GPIO_Init(GPIOA, ...
2017-12-12T00:05:19 < BMWPower> LQFP64 is seems pin 15???
2017-12-12T00:05:42 < karlp> yes, pin1, that's not what you had in your paste
2017-12-12T00:06:12 < PaulFertser> gxti: hm, I thought it's something like %12 on windows and works for all software as they use something like gethostbyname.
2017-12-12T00:06:44 < BMWPower> No I know... I changed
2017-12-12T00:06:46 < BMWPower> that
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2017-12-12T00:07:06 < BMWPower> but nothing changes in the outcome
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2017-12-12T00:12:02 < BMWPower> getting values 2013....1994
2017-12-12T00:12:14 < stvn> maybe its actually a time machine
2017-12-12T00:12:16 < BMWPower> even when I pull of the sensor
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2017-12-12T00:18:04 < BMWPower> ADC_SampleTime_239Cycles5
2017-12-12T00:19:24 < BMWPower> ADC_RegularChannelConfig(ADC1, ADC_Channel_1, 1, ADC_SampleTime_239Cycles5);
2017-12-12T00:19:32 < BMWPower> GPIO_InitStructure.GPIO_Pin = GPIO_Pin_1;
2017-12-12T00:19:38 < BMWPower> GPIO_Init(GPIOA, &GPIO_InitStructure);
2017-12-12T00:19:42 < BMWPower> Changed this
2017-12-12T00:22:58 < BMWPower> nothing
2017-12-12T00:23:22 < BMWPower> ADC_Channel_1 -> to _0
2017-12-12T00:23:25 < BMWPower> nothing
2017-12-12T00:24:05 < stvn> just mash buttons until it works?
2017-12-12T00:24:23 < BMWPower> haha yes I recon that I should get some respons....
2017-12-12T00:24:47 < BMWPower> In theory ADC0 and PIN_1 (PA1) should do the trick
2017-12-12T00:25:02 < BMWPower> sorry ADC1 and ADC_Channel_0
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2017-12-12T00:25:38 < BMWPower> I seems like my conversion is not doing something I expect
2017-12-12T00:26:57 < gxti> PaulFertser: it's not hard to do right but people almost never test it
2017-12-12T00:27:02 < gxti> and yeah %12 would be it
2017-12-12T00:27:09 < gxti> or %eth0 on lunix
2017-12-12T00:30:40 < BMWPower> ADC_SoftwareStartConvCmd(ADC1, ENABLE); changes the outcome... but this is not any related respons to the PA1 output
2017-12-12T00:31:00 < ohsix> boop
2017-12-12T00:31:16 < jadew> found a bug in one of the cypress example projects
2017-12-12T00:31:31 < jadew> whoever wrote that couldn't follow the datasheet
2017-12-12T00:33:39 < stvn> r2?
2017-12-12T00:34:11 < jadew> what's r2?
2017-12-12T00:34:23 < stvn> cypress employee
2017-12-12T00:34:23 < ohsix> radare
2017-12-12T00:34:26 < Steffanx> Commie
2017-12-12T00:34:29 < jadew> ah
2017-12-12T00:34:30 < stvn> lol
2017-12-12T00:34:30 < jadew> haha
2017-12-12T00:34:42 < stvn> steffan is sleep-typing
2017-12-12T00:36:00 < englishman> Laurenceb_: he didnt ask you to reply, he asked you to pastebin
2017-12-12T00:39:28 < Steffanx> He did that too :P
2017-12-12T00:40:47 < englishman> dox plz
2017-12-12T00:41:06 < englishman> i need to install pth leds with 2.2mm spacing
2017-12-12T00:41:07 < englishman> how2do
2017-12-12T00:41:28 < stvn> a jig
2017-12-12T00:41:30 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/51crXT8.png
2017-12-12T00:41:35 < BMWPower> http://www.cnblogs.com/unreal/p/3837677.html
2017-12-12T00:41:45 < BMWPower> used this but no respons what so ever...
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2017-12-12T00:44:35 < Laurenceb_> englishman: 3d printing!!
2017-12-12T00:45:49 < englishman> i think so yes
2017-12-12T00:46:56 < BMWPower> yes have reaction
2017-12-12T00:52:10 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, so are you fired yet?
2017-12-12T00:52:11 < BMWPower> Fixed it
2017-12-12T00:52:37 < BMWPower> https://pastebin.com/9mR6qm74
2017-12-12T00:53:39 < BMWPower> so now I want to convert led count (LDR) to power consumption ;-)
2017-12-12T00:54:08 < BMWPower> ADC shows if it is light or dark... so I could read the interrupt when a LED is blinking I supose
2017-12-12T00:56:49 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: its only a matter of time
2017-12-12T00:57:14 < BMWPower> later
2017-12-12T00:57:16 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, better stock up on instant ramen noodles or whatever the uk version is
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2017-12-12T00:57:22 < stvn> fuck
2017-12-12T00:58:06 < englishman> instant blood sausage pudding
2017-12-12T01:01:22 < kakimir> jadew: replacement hdd was broken
2017-12-12T01:01:27 < kakimir> somehow
2017-12-12T01:01:53 < kakimir> I placed orginal board to orginal disk and added missing jumper to mode select
2017-12-12T01:02:01 < kakimir> 33GB disk visible!
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2017-12-12T01:02:10 < kakimir> lot of clicking
2017-12-12T01:02:28 < kakimir> it quite sparse clicking
2017-12-12T01:02:37 < kakimir> every 2sec or so
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2017-12-12T01:03:45 < englishman> Laurenceb_: 3dicked jig done
2017-12-12T01:04:58 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, found a new job for you  https://slashdot.org/story/17/12/10/2012223/exhausted-amazon-drivers-are-working-11-hour-shifts-for-less-than-minimum-wage
2017-12-12T01:05:21 < englishman> laurent cant drive dude
2017-12-12T01:06:54 < stvn> whelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2017-12-12T01:09:01 < BrainDamage> how much does a driving license cost there?
2017-12-12T01:12:10 < stvn> less than a box of tendies
2017-12-12T01:23:08 < ohsix> why don't the cheap 433mhz radios have any type of rssi info available
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2017-12-12T01:25:53 < ohsix> the nrf24l01+ has 'rpd' with a specific dBm threshold that can kind of do the same thing anyways, but is less cool for localization and other shit
2017-12-12T01:26:55 < ohsix> lul and it varies by 10dBm over temp range
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2017-12-12T01:30:23 < PaulFertser> ohsix: what about even cheaper SYN470R http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/showthread.php?22423-Dorji-433MHz-ASK-RSSI-hack ?
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2017-12-12T01:42:16 < upgrdman> non-trivial FPGAs often have complex power sequencing requirements. anyone know why they dont have integrated sequencers (like GPIOs that drive regulator ENABLE pins for the various rails) ? seems weird to make this a separate IC
2017-12-12T01:42:46 < upgrdman> so you would give the fpga the first rail it needs, and ti would enable the other rails.
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2017-12-12T02:22:50 < kakimir> jadew: OS sees disk with right size
2017-12-12T02:23:31 < kakimir> when I try to ddrescue it says right the moment I press return key 0 rescued
2017-12-12T02:23:57 < kakimir> maybe tommorrow more
2017-12-12T02:25:14 < kakimir> I accidently tried to mount it before ddrescue
2017-12-12T02:25:21 < kakimir> click click click click
2017-12-12T02:26:05 < kakimir> it doesn't have a name for partition but some partition appears in file explorer
2017-12-12T02:27:29 < ohsix> PaulFertser: slightly more expensive cc1101
2017-12-12T02:28:15 < ohsix> my criteria is just getting it on aliexpress
2017-12-12T02:28:30 < ohsix> if they have something, it is cheap; but they don't have some things
2017-12-12T02:30:51 < ohsix> h3h rpd was called carrier detect in earlier parts
2017-12-12T02:31:23 < ohsix> PaulFertser: one of the things with a micro in them would probably be the best if i was choosing something that cost more than an nrf24 (legit or clone) but price goes up fast
2017-12-12T02:31:27 < ohsix> unless it's an 8051 or something
2017-12-12T02:35:20 < ohsix> it's alot of resarch to find out wat cheap ass products (like the nrf24) MIGHT be able to do 802.15.4 phy/mac stuff, and the stuff companies market specifically for it are still spendy
2017-12-12T02:36:03 < Laurenceb_> what are you making?
2017-12-12T02:36:14 < ohsix> money hopefully
2017-12-12T02:36:17 < ohsix> heuhuehur
2017-12-12T02:36:32 < Laurenceb_> 802.15.4 clones?
2017-12-12T02:36:47 < ohsix> but i wanna have a handful of radios to investigate iot garbage ahead of this other company
2017-12-12T02:36:56 < ohsix> mostly just to play with tho
2017-12-12T02:37:03 < ohsix> implement some papers and shit
2017-12-12T02:38:21 < ohsix> and if it's all too hard i can say 'use digi radios' like everyone else already says
2017-12-12T02:39:21 < ohsix> it's kind of cool to see where serial ports and shit pop up in the name of being able to use parts from different vendors
2017-12-12T02:39:33 < ohsix> adoption doesn't really happen very broadly without them
2017-12-12T02:40:31 < ohsix> https://openthread.io/platforms/posix_emulation hot
2017-12-12T02:41:07 < Laurenceb_> To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Baneposting. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Bane’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity
2017-12-12T02:41:08 < Laurenceb_>  to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE.
2017-12-12T02:41:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, did you ever get your scooter fixed or replaced? that one some driver totally squished.
2017-12-12T02:42:57 < ohsix> yea he bought another one, he's been a dick like the entire year tho so i haven't had much to do with him
2017-12-12T02:44:17 < upgrdman> more china ranting: even access my works china email is slow as fuck from the usa
2017-12-12T02:44:48 < upgrdman> try to download a 5MB attachment without the tcp connection getting dropped. good fucking luck :(
2017-12-12T02:44:55 < ohsix> don't worry comcast will fix it
2017-12-12T02:45:03 < ohsix> papa ajit has u
2017-12-12T02:45:17 < upgrdman> this is a problem on the usa side
2017-12-12T02:45:25 < upgrdman> its the GFW
2017-12-12T02:45:36 < upgrdman> err GFWoC
2017-12-12T02:45:55 < upgrdman> *is NOT a problem on the usa side
2017-12-12T02:46:21 < ohsix> calm down disney will fix it
2017-12-12T02:46:38 < upgrdman> FUCK. i'll have to try this tomorrow. literally getting LESS THAN 56Kbps to their shit china server
2017-12-12T02:47:26 < upgrdman> also, wtf is it with chinamen using RAR files instead of ZIPs
2017-12-12T02:48:03 < ohsix> more compression
2017-12-12T02:48:11 < ohsix> you literally were just talking about why, hehe
2017-12-12T02:48:28 < ohsix> plus they have header encryption on passphrases but i don't know if they specifically take advantage of that aspect
2017-12-12T02:48:42 < upgrdman> ya but they like put movies in RAR files too...
2017-12-12T02:48:51 < upgrdman> its like "RAR all the things" without thinking
2017-12-12T02:49:11 < upgrdman> ya theyre not use password protected archives
2017-12-12T02:49:21 < ohsix> do you think the firewall is inspecting inside rar
2017-12-12T02:49:27 < upgrdman> yes
2017-12-12T02:49:31 < ohsix> it makes it massively more expensive to do hehe
2017-12-12T02:49:36 < ohsix> not for solid archives
2017-12-12T02:49:45 < ohsix> you need the entire stream to decode what's in them
2017-12-12T02:49:50 < upgrdman> but its not like they just RAR for online stuff
2017-12-12T02:50:02 < upgrdman> when im in china, they hand my usb sticks with ass loads of RARs etc
2017-12-12T02:52:03 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: you know of any textbooks or handbooks that are either a survey or study of different wireless protocols? if it had protocols that weren't necessarily open or documented it'd be extraperfect
2017-12-12T02:52:32 < ohsix> i've been looking on library genesis for wireless and sensor related stuff and it's a lot of papers-in-a-book style books, nothing holistic
2017-12-12T02:52:43 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: I dont know
2017-12-12T02:53:00 < Laurenceb_> I've been mostly working on lower level stuff
2017-12-12T02:53:14 < Laurenceb_> not the high level network stuff
2017-12-12T02:53:44 < ohsix> low level is what i'm after, you can put whatever you want on top after there's a mac
2017-12-12T02:55:02 < Laurenceb_> oh
2017-12-12T02:55:47 < Laurenceb_> I cant really think of any handbooks with stuff about protocols off the top of my head tho
2017-12-12T02:56:28 < upgrdman> speaking of MACs, with ethernet, what provides TVS etc, the magnetics or the PHY?
2017-12-12T02:56:32 < ohsix> can't even think about what the classes would be called, is it all post doc stuff or wtf
2017-12-12T02:56:45 < upgrdman> (like are the magnetics super lossy)
2017-12-12T02:56:50 < ohsix> upgrdman: the magnetics provide galvanic isolation
2017-12-12T02:56:57 < upgrdman> ya i know that
2017-12-12T02:57:15 < ohsix> as far as the phy is concerned i think that's it
2017-12-12T02:57:15 < upgrdman> but they could also be like ferrite beads... you know, a bit lossy
2017-12-12T02:58:12 < ohsix> For human safety, the IEEE specification requires a 10/100/1000BASE-T port to be able to withstand
2017-12-12T02:58:12 < ohsix> 1,500 VAC at 50 Hz to 60 Hz for 1 minute between ports or from each port to the chassis ground.
2017-12-12T02:58:25 < BrainDamage> the magnetics are literally a pair of parallel wire in ethernet
2017-12-12T02:58:43 < BrainDamage> because of the high frequency, it gets enough coupling to transmit the signal
2017-12-12T02:59:04 < upgrdman> orly? so not even a coil, just some length of wire?
2017-12-12T02:59:08 < BrainDamage> yup
2017-12-12T02:59:17 < upgrdman> heh TIL
2017-12-12T02:59:38 < BrainDamage> remember that the inductance is also a bitch to drive
2017-12-12T02:59:41 < ohsix> eh
2017-12-12T03:01:06 < ohsix> a compliant thing might do that, but that's not a useful proscriptive statement
2017-12-12T03:01:58 < upgrdman> now i kinda want to smash open one of my RJ45's with internal magnetics
2017-12-12T03:02:48 < BrainDamage> some do have real coils
2017-12-12T03:03:36 < BrainDamage> https://www.raspberrypi.org/app/uploads/2012/03/Side-View-Mag-Type.jpg
2017-12-12T03:03:43 < BrainDamage> like this one
2017-12-12T03:04:08 < kakimir> interesting xray
2017-12-12T03:05:04 < BrainDamage> i should probably fix my old one, it'd be fun to take pics of random junk
2017-12-12T03:06:06 < upgrdman> that xray image was done at 100kV 1.6mA ... wtf. i wonder how short the integration time was. seems like way more current than you need to look through an RJ45
2017-12-12T03:06:38 < BrainDamage> depends on the sensitivity of your imaging sensor
2017-12-12T03:06:48 < BrainDamage> the deafer, the more power you need to throw at it
2017-12-12T03:06:57 < upgrdman> ya of course, so it must be shit
2017-12-12T03:07:13 < BrainDamage> my diy xray used a fluorescent panel backed by a photographic plate
2017-12-12T03:07:31 < upgrdman> typical airport scanner for carry on luggage is like 170kV 1mA.
2017-12-12T03:07:43 < upgrdman> and they only use the higher kV for penetration
2017-12-12T03:07:54 < BrainDamage> i had to integrate 70kV 2mA for a second or so
2017-12-12T03:08:03 < upgrdman> lol
2017-12-12T03:12:49 < aandrew> BrainDamage: did you integrate it across your temples, leading to your nick?
2017-12-12T03:13:19 < BrainDamage> aandrew: nope, i actually take pretty decent precautions when i work with my ... autistic level projects
2017-12-12T03:13:27 < aandrew> heh
2017-12-12T03:13:43 < aandrew> I played with a home made rewound flyback HV supply
2017-12-12T03:13:49 < aandrew> lots of fun stuff there
2017-12-12T03:13:57 < BrainDamage> granted, they are all very very ghetto, but i take measurements, use calibration references, etc
2017-12-12T03:14:05 < aandrew> I estimated ~40-50kV based on the spark and roughly 40% humidity in the home
2017-12-12T03:14:09 < upgrdman> ya at 70kV just hide behind a thick wall and hope for little scatter
2017-12-12T03:14:25 < BrainDamage> i have something that's a biiiiit worse than that
2017-12-12T03:14:30 < aandrew> I was never trying for Xray, just lots of corona
2017-12-12T03:14:34 < upgrdman> a cinder block would prolly attenuate 70kV by an order of magnitude
2017-12-12T03:15:02 < upgrdman> or more
2017-12-12T03:15:25 < BrainDamage> i have a 1.5MV 700Wdouble cockroft walton ladder that drives a linac
2017-12-12T03:15:41 < upgrdman> O_O
2017-12-12T03:16:08 < BrainDamage> the 700W is the input tought
2017-12-12T03:16:15 < Laurenceb_> photos?
2017-12-12T03:16:17 < BrainDamage> the output is something around 12W
2017-12-12T03:16:27 < upgrdman> laurenceb wants to see your COCKroft
2017-12-12T03:16:51 < BrainDamage> i have a few old photos, it's not in an assembled state atm
2017-12-12T03:16:57 < BrainDamage> sec
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2017-12-12T03:19:11 < BrainDamage> half of them are on my dropbox, half on my friends' site https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwmwi3dqirnblyy/IMG_20111223_010057.jpg?dl=0 here we were testing one of  the ladders https://www.dropbox.com/s/chgkk2f9twpf2wf/Photo%2009-12-11%2017%2030%2016.jpg?dl=0
2017-12-12T03:19:32 < BrainDamage> to run at full voltage we put them in pipe in deionized water
2017-12-12T03:19:52 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2017-12-12T03:19:53 < BrainDamage> otherwise the corona made them too leaky
2017-12-12T03:20:01 < Laurenceb_> what is the diode voltage?
2017-12-12T03:20:18 < Laurenceb_>  - AC input
2017-12-12T03:20:22 < BrainDamage> 20kV nominal, we drove them at 15
2017-12-12T03:20:59 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-12-12T03:21:06 < BrainDamage> the coffee can on the desk is the electron source
2017-12-12T03:21:11 < Laurenceb_> what diodes do you use for that?
2017-12-12T03:21:26 < BrainDamage> uhh, i need to dig it back, it's been many years
2017-12-12T03:21:58 < BrainDamage> gimme a few days because it's sitting in my parents' garage
2017-12-12T03:22:19 < Laurenceb_> doesnt matter, was just interested
2017-12-12T03:22:40 < Laurenceb_> I made a ~8kV generator for balloons for my masters project
2017-12-12T03:22:50 < Laurenceb_> that used CCFL drivers as the input
2017-12-12T03:23:49 < BrainDamage> we made a custom psu too, it was a neon transformer for big signs driven by an h bridge
2017-12-12T03:23:54 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-12-12T03:24:09 < BrainDamage> with secondary feedback optically coupled
2017-12-12T03:24:36 < BrainDamage> we still had few fuckups, the psu in the first pic ended up fried
2017-12-12T03:24:47 < BrainDamage> the lab one
2017-12-12T03:25:08 < BrainDamage> err, second pic
2017-12-12T03:25:30 < BrainDamage> the real ghetto tought was the vacuum
2017-12-12T03:25:51 < BrainDamage> an ac pump as roughening then a molecular sieve in a cold trap
2017-12-12T03:26:45 < BrainDamage> we managed to get something between 10^-2 and 10^-3 Pa, pretty shit for a linac, but ... tollerable
2017-12-12T03:27:02 < BrainDamage> the mean free path for the tube's geometry would be a ~km
2017-12-12T03:27:43 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-12-12T03:27:50 < BrainDamage> we wanted to see pair production, but our methods to do xray spectroscopy were too ghetto
2017-12-12T03:27:57 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-12-12T03:28:32 < BrainDamage> in retrospective i would build a cloud chamber now
2017-12-12T03:28:43 < BrainDamage> and see the bending radius of the scattered particles
2017-12-12T03:30:05 < BrainDamage> i even have somewhere a 10GHz klystron we were planning to use as RF secondary, the electrons at the tube's output are pretty relativistic
2017-12-12T03:30:40 < BrainDamage> the main stopgap would be milling the custom cavity
2017-12-12T03:31:01 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2017-12-12T03:31:12  * Laurenceb_ was thinking about the first light fusion nutters
2017-12-12T03:31:27 < Laurenceb_> I can't see how their shock compression can ever work
2017-12-12T03:31:53 < Laurenceb_> but if you added v high power pulsed microwaves to preheat the gas it might be doable
2017-12-12T03:32:36 < BrainDamage> do you mean stuff like general fusion?
2017-12-12T03:32:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.oxfordcc.co.uk/files/FLFV-crisp.jpg
2017-12-12T03:32:43 < Laurenceb_> sort of
2017-12-12T03:33:06 < BrainDamage> oh, is that plasma pinch?
2017-12-12T03:33:26 < kakimir> whaas is happening
2017-12-12T03:33:40 < Laurenceb_> they seem to think they can do bubble fusion by firing a LGG at water
2017-12-12T03:33:44 < kakimir> looks science
2017-12-12T03:33:57 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: its literally a gas bubble in agar jel
2017-12-12T03:34:05 < BrainDamage> wat
2017-12-12T03:34:12 < Laurenceb_> then they shoot the gel with a light gas gun
2017-12-12T03:34:22 < Laurenceb_> causing a shockwave that compresses the bubble
2017-12-12T03:34:33 < Laurenceb_> they literally think you can build a fusion diesel engine
2017-12-12T03:34:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: what program converts that footage into that visualization?
2017-12-12T03:34:47 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: their custom codez
2017-12-12T03:35:08 < Laurenceb_> they have jerbs available for sim code programmers
2017-12-12T03:35:43 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: the numbers just dont seem to be on their side, the "plasma" ends up dense and cold at the end of the compression
2017-12-12T03:36:18 < BrainDamage> mmm, i know very very little of plasma dynamics
2017-12-12T03:36:23 < kakimir> keep diesel alive
2017-12-12T03:36:28 < Laurenceb_> if the gas is preheated the numbers maybe work
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2017-12-12T03:36:44 < BrainDamage> so they pretty much go for adiabatic compression?
2017-12-12T03:36:51 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: there aren't really and dynamics, it's just adiabatic compression
2017-12-12T03:36:52 < kakimir> what.. did you say fusion diesel engine?
2017-12-12T03:36:53 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-12-12T03:36:58 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: yeah
2017-12-12T03:37:18 < kakimir> are they german auto group?
2017-12-12T03:37:24 < BrainDamage> kakimir: they shoot a gas pocket with a very very fast gun
2017-12-12T03:37:28 < Laurenceb_> inb4 kakimir vents tritium into his car
2017-12-12T03:37:38 < BrainDamage> and hope it heats and compresses enough to ignite fusion
2017-12-12T03:37:55 < kakimir> BrainDamage: injectors are gettin mad sophisticated
2017-12-12T03:38:06 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: it doesnt work like that
2017-12-12T03:38:10 < BrainDamage> no, the bubble is stationary
2017-12-12T03:38:18 < BrainDamage> it's literally being shot at
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2017-12-12T03:38:56 < kakimir> what is shot with what?
2017-12-12T03:38:58 < Laurenceb_> I'm thinking of sending them my CV
2017-12-12T03:39:01 < kakimir> and how fast?
2017-12-12T03:39:10 < Laurenceb_> as they literally have megabux to blow on this thing
2017-12-12T03:39:16 < BrainDamage> light gas guns can reach tens of km/s
2017-12-12T03:39:28 < kakimir> how small?
2017-12-12T03:39:35 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: agar gel is being shot with steel block, but aiui its only about 1km/s atm
2017-12-12T03:39:45 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: 15mm diameter cavity atm
2017-12-12T03:40:19 < kakimir> so they want to reach some critical temperature or so?
2017-12-12T03:40:23 < Laurenceb_> anyway I tried to work out what would happen, and its ends up about 10eV peak temperature which is way too cold
2017-12-12T03:40:29 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: they hope to
2017-12-12T03:40:50 < kakimir> how high eV they need?
2017-12-12T03:40:55 < Laurenceb_>  >1keV
2017-12-12T03:40:59 < BrainDamage> 3 orders of magnitude higher
2017-12-12T03:41:16 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: you can get ignition at 1keV
2017-12-12T03:41:32 < kakimir> what is the application?
2017-12-12T03:41:39 < BrainDamage> fusion reactor
2017-12-12T03:41:49 < kakimir> I thought a car engine
2017-12-12T03:41:50 < Laurenceb_> so I was thinking preheat the gas using microwaves to get things hotter
2017-12-12T03:41:57 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: are u even reading
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2017-12-12T03:42:10 < Laurenceb_> lol literal fusion diesel engine
2017-12-12T03:42:27 < Laurenceb_> die of radiation poisoning before you leave the driveway
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2017-12-12T03:42:37 < kakimir> sweet
2017-12-12T03:42:57 < BrainDamage> it'd be a great companion to project orion
2017-12-12T03:43:08 < kakimir> how small is the steel block?
2017-12-12T03:43:09 < Laurenceb_> I dont get how they raised megabux when their work doesnt make sense
2017-12-12T03:43:24 < kakimir> it makes more sense than emdrive
2017-12-12T03:43:24 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: 20mm diameter x 50mm or something
2017-12-12T03:43:27 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-12-12T03:43:56 < BrainDamage> get high explosives and troll them with a voitenko compressor
2017-12-12T03:44:18 < Laurenceb_> if the gas was preheated to 10,000K it would work fine according to back of envelope
2017-12-12T03:44:28 < Laurenceb_> yeah or use RDX or something to compress
2017-12-12T03:44:38 < Laurenceb_> like boosted fission without the fission
2017-12-12T03:45:11 < kakimir> so once they get their fusion to occure?
2017-12-12T03:45:16 < Laurenceb_> then I saw their scientific committee
2017-12-12T03:45:33 < BrainDamage> kakimir: the bubble heats up and you collect the energy to do stuff
2017-12-12T03:45:42 < Laurenceb_> http://firstlightfusion.com/about/#scientific-advisory-board
2017-12-12T03:45:43 < BrainDamage> typically heat water and drive a turbine
2017-12-12T03:45:46 < Laurenceb_> ^literally how
2017-12-12T03:46:04 < Laurenceb_> >Richard L. Garwin
2017-12-12T03:46:10 < Laurenceb_>  *alarm bells*
2017-12-12T03:46:15 < kakimir> they do need to continiously load it again with new projetile and bubble?
2017-12-12T03:46:31 < BrainDamage> yes, most fusion reactors are not continous, rather pulsed
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2017-12-12T03:46:47 < Laurenceb_> everything about the project makes sense if its actually a black project to make a pure fusion bomb
2017-12-12T03:46:52 < kakimir> how much energy output per pulse?
2017-12-12T03:47:02 < BrainDamage> ...depends
2017-12-12T03:47:10 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: prob~MJ
2017-12-12T03:47:20 < Laurenceb_> although I fear megatons of tnt
2017-12-12T03:47:39 < Laurenceb_> looking at that list of "advisors"
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2017-12-12T03:49:05 < Laurenceb_> wonder if I end up on a watch list if I send in my CV
2017-12-12T03:49:28 < BrainDamage> well, with your physics degree you're already on a watch list for export
2017-12-12T03:49:35 < BrainDamage> try to take a tour of NK
2017-12-12T03:50:01 < Laurenceb_> now there is a plan
2017-12-12T03:50:22 < Laurenceb_> but after that murican guy got bioweaponed its not funny any more
2017-12-12T03:51:33 < kakimir> you were going to kim before that?
2017-12-12T03:52:01 < kakimir> "great leader see what we found wondering about"
2017-12-12T03:52:26 < BrainDamage> btw, the linac isn't even the dumbest shit we made
2017-12-12T03:52:27 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/00htelbvv17376p/images00058.png?dl=0
2017-12-12T03:52:46 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5bva8ps2pf9uwid/images00059.png?dl=0
2017-12-12T03:53:05 < kakimir> *wondering around
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2017-12-12T03:54:11 < Laurenceb_> capacitor weapon?
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2017-12-12T03:54:31 < BrainDamage> yup
2017-12-12T03:54:58 < BrainDamage> the plasma ball is Al catching fire on impact
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2017-12-12T03:55:31 < Laurenceb_> oh god no
2017-12-12T03:55:33 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvgomEfQfKc
2017-12-12T03:55:54 < Laurenceb_> nowhere is safe from the TED
2017-12-12T03:56:23 < BrainDamage> with a name like that I'm surprised he's not into biochemistry
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2017-12-12T03:56:40 < BrainDamage> or was it mathematics
2017-12-12T03:56:40 < stvn> the american dream
2017-12-12T03:56:45 < stvn> hi brain
2017-12-12T03:56:49 < BrainDamage> hello
2017-12-12T03:56:59 < Laurenceb_> >youtube education
2017-12-12T03:57:02 < Laurenceb_> yeah about that
2017-12-12T03:57:37 < BrainDamage> ehh, the main problem is that without some decent base of eduction prior you cannot vet the shit from the good
2017-12-12T03:58:01 < Laurenceb_> fuck this is the sixty symbols guy
2017-12-12T03:58:04 < Laurenceb_> >Irish
2017-12-12T03:58:07 < Laurenceb_> >from Derby
2017-12-12T03:58:32 < BrainDamage> k, enough offtopic, i have to try to sleep
2017-12-12T03:58:40 < Laurenceb_> shit I probably know him irl
2017-12-12T03:58:41 < Laurenceb_> cya
2017-12-12T04:00:32 < Laurenceb_> >unironically puts xkcd on the screen
2017-12-12T04:01:23 < Laurenceb_> ok this guy is annoying
2017-12-12T04:05:01 < Laurenceb_> >I attend his university, and he's universally disliked because he refuses to ever acknowledge other viewpoints than his own. He's dogmatic, and that's unacceptable in someone who calls themselves a scientist. He also enjoys doxing people, which puts him right down there alongside 4chan
2017-12-12T04:05:08 < Laurenceb_> wew tbh
2017-12-12T04:08:52 < Laurenceb_> I am in the company of youtube shitposters irl
2017-12-12T04:15:14 < stvn> who
2017-12-12T04:19:28 < stvn> Laurenceb_: are you talking about moriarty ?
2017-12-12T04:19:47 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-12-12T04:21:42 < stvn> hahahaha
2017-12-12T04:21:43 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-12T04:23:26 < Laurenceb_> u know this troll?
2017-12-12T04:23:49 < stvn> seen him on the thunderf00ts
2017-12-12T04:23:57 < stvn> cunts off his head rofl
2017-12-12T04:24:01 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-12-12T04:24:05 < Laurenceb_> he lives in my city
2017-12-12T04:24:11 < stvn> rofl
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2017-12-12T04:25:12 < stvn> thanks for coming down tectu
2017-12-12T04:28:44 < dongs> hey nice. AS1130 now exists in human-solderable package
2017-12-12T04:28:48 < dongs> i might have to try it for something
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2017-12-12T04:33:24 < Rob235> o.o www.robertfeddeler.com
2017-12-12T04:33:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83ecmvFnOg
2017-12-12T04:33:51 < Laurenceb_> wtf is this
2017-12-12T04:33:53 < Laurenceb_> so cringe
2017-12-12T04:34:06 < Laurenceb_> like elderly channers
2017-12-12T04:34:24 < stvn> i see
2017-12-12T04:34:25 < stvn> AMS
2017-12-12T04:34:47 < stvn> thought that part number was familiar
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2017-12-12T04:58:34 < Tectu> hi stvn
2017-12-12T04:59:17 < stvn> long time no see
2017-12-12T05:01:53 < Tectu> still pumpin´?
2017-12-12T05:02:03 < stvn> you could say that
2017-12-12T05:02:11 < stvn> no one better to ask than the dong
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2017-12-12T05:05:32 < stvn> Tectu: do you like mosfet?
2017-12-12T05:06:15 < Tectu> igbt bro, the only real trans there is
2017-12-12T05:06:25 < stvn> heh
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2017-12-12T06:15:55 < stvn> r2
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2017-12-12T06:28:51 < stvn> just poking around
2017-12-12T06:30:54 < stvn> n
2017-12-12T06:30:58 < stvn> why would i do that?
2017-12-12T06:31:15 < stvn> hmm
2017-12-12T06:31:21 < stvn> i have to clean out the filth today
2017-12-12T06:31:35 < stvn> i found my tek 2465b though
2017-12-12T06:31:42 < stvn> lol
2017-12-12T06:31:47 < stvn> i wouldn't know how my shop is
2017-12-12T06:32:02 < stvn> i haven't been there in 3 weeks
2017-12-12T06:36:14 < stvn> starting a job soon
2017-12-12T06:36:23 < stvn> doing a few jobs to keep the cash flowing
2017-12-12T06:36:28 < stvn> EE
2017-12-12T06:37:19 < stvn> yes
2017-12-12T06:37:52 < stvn> oh yeah
2017-12-12T06:38:09 < stvn> pumping cred
2017-12-12T06:39:11 < stvn> but yeah this fuckbucket i worked with previously could make $100,000 disappear in under a second
2017-12-12T06:39:56 < stvn> because he must have the mentality of a 10 year old
2017-12-12T06:40:11 < stvn> good luck to him 'cause pros don't need to pretend
2017-12-12T06:41:07 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-12T06:41:19 < stvn> move ahead and leave the garbage behind
2017-12-12T06:41:30 < stvn> this is true
2017-12-12T06:41:45 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-12T06:42:04 < stvn> even in my academic days i despised dragging deadweight in group work
2017-12-12T06:43:58 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-12T06:47:27 < stvn> gas them all
2017-12-12T06:48:01 < stvn> yeah this is true
2017-12-12T06:51:08 < stvn> i wonder why it is warm inside today
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2017-12-12T07:12:11 < stvn> i have keil
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2017-12-12T07:19:41 < stvn> m0
2017-12-12T07:19:43 < stvn> m0+
2017-12-12T07:20:04 < stvn> or like other cortex for 32k
2017-12-12T07:20:41 < stvn> dunno if there is any 'not for commercial use' clause with the 'free' license
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2017-12-12T08:16:30 < Rajko> how implement phase locked loop in software
2017-12-12T08:17:11 < Rajko> basically got 2 timers and CPU counters, need to scale one onto another but keep the phase consistent
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2017-12-12T09:08:40 < capacitor> get up steffan
2017-12-12T09:12:11 < capacitor> what laptop do pros buy?
2017-12-12T09:13:02 < englishman> Epson HX-20 of course
2017-12-12T09:13:33 < Amun_Ra> only Osborne 1
2017-12-12T09:13:45 < capacitor> ^
2017-12-12T09:14:21 < capacitor> steffan's dad - https://static.pulse.ng/img/incoming/origs6549369/3747054366-w900-h600-q90/The-Osborne-1-PC.jpg
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2017-12-12T11:24:46 < tomeaton17> christ jst connectors have an awful smell when burnt
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2017-12-12T13:23:29 < Steffanx> Dont do that tomeaton17
2017-12-12T13:30:23 < tomeaton17> I accidentally touched the soldering iron on it and wow
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2017-12-12T14:06:35 < kakimir> is there usb charger testers available from china?
2017-12-12T14:07:06 < kakimir> test voltages up to maximum load and maybe ripple?
2017-12-12T14:13:57 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-7V-21V-3A-Adjustable-USB-Electronic-Load-Battery-Discharge-Capacity-Tester-Fan/311690556365 oh wow
2017-12-12T14:20:55 < karlp> and then they make it with a usb A jack on it, like, wtf, why.
2017-12-12T14:22:48 < kakimir> I would use it for measuring voltages
2017-12-12T14:23:04 < kakimir> or maybe you can add additional load the device
2017-12-12T14:23:28 < kakimir> there is some connector for flatflex or so at the bottom side
2017-12-12T14:25:08 < kakimir> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vcoAAOSwax5Y0O-M/s-l1600.jpg better model
2017-12-12T14:25:15 < karlp> hah, h'ere what the connector was for: https://www.ebay.com/itm/35W-4A-Multifunction-OLED-USB-Electronic-Load-CC-Battery-Capacity-Tester-6-in-1/182127172246?epid=2127761281&hash=item2a67a01a96:g:FVsAAOSwZJlXMv7V
2017-12-12T14:25:19 < karlp> oh yeah, you found it too :)
2017-12-12T14:25:30 < karlp> oh no, that's a different one.
2017-12-12T14:25:56 < kakimir> display and shiet
2017-12-12T14:26:09 < kakimir> it means there is micro somewhere_
2017-12-12T14:27:17 < kakimir> I wonder if I could find platform to make production tester from
2017-12-12T14:27:58 < kakimir> can you load usb c just like any other usb_
2017-12-12T14:31:13 < karlp> what do you mean?
2017-12-12T14:31:26 < kakimir> doesn\t it need to negotiate current and shiet
2017-12-12T14:31:33 < BrainDamage> they all need to
2017-12-12T14:31:45 < BrainDamage> above 150mA
2017-12-12T14:32:02 < karlp> iirc, above 100mA even.
2017-12-12T14:32:10 < kakimir> but I mean it must be all digital in usb c right_
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2017-12-12T14:32:21 < kakimir> no passive shiet or is it_
2017-12-12T14:32:22 < karlp> kakimir: read what braindamage said.
2017-12-12T14:32:37 < karlp> you're not allowed to draw more than x before negotiation,
2017-12-12T14:33:11 < kakimir> unless there is resistors in data lines in place that say draw anything you want
2017-12-12T14:33:25 < kakimir> like in any generic charger
2017-12-12T14:33:40 < kakimir> same thing with usb c? I bet there is much more stuff
2017-12-12T14:33:53 < BrainDamage> that's not part of usb spec, it's a thing several manifacturers adopted
2017-12-12T14:34:20 < BrainDamage> so compliance may vary
2017-12-12T14:34:37 < BrainDamage> usb c is only a connector type
2017-12-12T14:34:58 < BrainDamage> there's a standard for usb power delivery called ... usb power delivery
2017-12-12T14:35:23 < kakimir> does usb c have cable compensation?
2017-12-12T14:35:44 < karlp> compensation?
2017-12-12T14:36:14 < kakimir> something to adjust cable loss
2017-12-12T14:36:21 < kakimir> in voltage
2017-12-12T14:36:36 < kakimir> *into voltage
2017-12-12T14:39:23 < BrainDamage> i retract my statement of the resistor shit not being standardized
2017-12-12T14:40:07 < BrainDamage> it was temporarily made official in spec 1.1
2017-12-12T14:40:10 < BrainDamage> then retracted in 1.2
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2017-12-12T15:18:24 < kakimir> wpa authentication should I use AES or PSK?
2017-12-12T15:18:44 < kakimir> configuring my brand new ubiquiti gear
2017-12-12T15:19:32 < kakimir> 2x nanostation
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2017-12-12T15:20:48 < tomeaton17> I would recommend wpa2-psk aes
2017-12-12T15:22:00 < kakimir> okay I can use WPA2-AES PSK
2017-12-12T15:22:54 < BrainDamage> psk is a separate thing from aes
2017-12-12T15:23:05 < BrainDamage> aes is the encryption algo, psk is the key sharing method
2017-12-12T15:23:57 < tomeaton17> Yeah that one sounds good
2017-12-12T15:24:16 < tomeaton17> as long as its not wep or wpa lol
2017-12-12T15:26:48 < kakimir> there is even no option for wep or wpa
2017-12-12T15:28:51 < tomeaton17> I would hope not
2017-12-12T15:29:34 < kakimir> there is only no encryption and wpa2
2017-12-12T15:46:49 < kakimir> jadew: ddrescue is doing it's jubbs!
2017-12-12T15:47:05 < kakimir> with quite low rescue rate at first run though
2017-12-12T15:47:22 < jadew> kakimir, glad to hear that
2017-12-12T15:47:44 < kakimir> there is quite a lot of clicking noises
2017-12-12T15:47:51 < kakimir> every now and then
2017-12-12T15:49:51 < jadew> I found out why my VNA's transmission port's impedance was all over the place
2017-12-12T15:50:22 < jadew> when I got it, it had a missing cable, between the input mixer and the input connector on the frontpanel
2017-12-12T15:50:34 < jadew> I made one and connected them
2017-12-12T15:51:03 < jadew> but it turns out, that in case it has a particular option (which mine does), it also needs an 8 dB attenuator before the mixer
2017-12-12T15:51:31 < jadew> that also explains why its overpower protection kicked in when I was trying to calibrate it
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2017-12-12T16:01:33 < kakimir> 7% backupped
2017-12-12T16:01:36 < kakimir> it's quite slow
2017-12-12T16:02:00 < kakimir> I think replacement hdd sent to me was more faulty than mine
2017-12-12T16:02:12 < kakimir> it was not found at all
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2017-12-12T17:02:12 < englishman> how much to charge for single qfp128 replacement
2017-12-12T17:02:34 < qyx> zero, total customer satisfaction
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2017-12-12T17:03:19 < englishman> new customer tho
2017-12-12T17:03:54 < jadew> cost of component + cost of your time (including time you thought about it)
2017-12-12T17:04:05 < englishman> some high power company so probably wont have a lot of work for me
2017-12-12T17:08:39 < qyx> how much are you usually thinking before soldering qfn?
2017-12-12T17:09:01 < karlp> fiverrrr or free
2017-12-12T17:09:08 < qyx> but oh, valid
2017-12-12T17:09:09 < karlp> ask or a beer or a sticker
2017-12-12T17:09:16 < qyx> considering the stm32 pin1 markers
2017-12-12T17:11:00 < Steffanx> You are too busy to even take jobs like that in consideration, englishman
2017-12-12T17:11:25 < BrainDamage> make it free with the condition that they make prank calls at arrow
2017-12-12T17:11:34 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-12-12T17:14:59 < PaulFertser> Whoever thought stm32 should have two different circles both of which look like denoting pin 1 should be severely punished.
2017-12-12T17:15:19 < BrainDamage> one is the injection mold port
2017-12-12T17:15:28 < PaulFertser> Yes, that's the real marker.
2017-12-12T17:16:38 < qyx> it doesn't matter which is which if you cannot see it
2017-12-12T17:20:11 < englishman> interestingly these stm32f2 i was doing this week had only one dot
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2017-12-12T17:24:43 < tomeaton17> Yeah the tssop 20 packages have only one
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2017-12-12T17:45:02 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3bckhV_YI&feature=youtu.be
2017-12-12T17:45:10 < Laurenceb_> embedded lunix
2017-12-12T17:45:15 < Laurenceb_> they crazy
2017-12-12T17:52:53 < Laurenceb_> custom lunix kernel
2017-12-12T17:55:45 < karlp> "custom" doens't have to mean much
2017-12-12T17:55:48 < karlp> and is done often.
2017-12-12T17:56:09 < karlp> is there anythign particular you want us to be listening to?
2017-12-12T17:59:08 < Laurenceb_> nah its 90% bazel stuff
2017-12-12T17:59:24 < Laurenceb_> there are few actual interesting parts but they are buried
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2017-12-12T18:29:47 < kakimir> so my wireless bridge problems are solved
2017-12-12T18:29:56 < kakimir> 2 brand new nanostations
2017-12-12T18:30:04 < kakimir> no messing around
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2017-12-12T18:34:28 < kakimir> Steffanx: do you have simple timer examples that could be potentially implemented on LPC1517?
2017-12-12T18:34:37 < kakimir> just run timer and that's ot
2017-12-12T18:34:39 < kakimir> it
2017-12-12T18:35:46 < kakimir> I want it to run at specific hz though
2017-12-12T18:40:32 < branjb> is everyone at spacex autistic?
2017-12-12T18:40:53 < tomeaton17> yes
2017-12-12T18:42:22 < kakimir> only emdrive autistics
2017-12-12T18:42:46 < branjb> how is emdrive doing
2017-12-12T18:43:13 < kakimir> who knows
2017-12-12T18:43:25 < kakimir> I personally think it is not doing anything
2017-12-12T18:44:43 < Tectu> so lets assume you have an open drain output from a chip. If you don't use it, should you tie it to GND or VCC anyway?
2017-12-12T18:45:26 < BrainDamage> do it
2017-12-12T18:45:46 < BrainDamage> or force the transistor to be on
2017-12-12T18:46:11 < BrainDamage> if you leave it floating it will propagate partially near field interference
2017-12-12T18:46:36 < BrainDamage> if it's tied to a fixed potential instead the field lines couple with it and reduces the range
2017-12-12T18:46:57 < Steffanx> Sounds likes lpcopen examples mr kakimir
2017-12-12T18:47:13 < Tectu> BrainDamage, how serious is that?
2017-12-12T18:47:48 < BrainDamage> as serious as any other pin, the effect is contextual, depends how fast you switch things and how close are the tracks, etc
2017-12-12T18:48:08 < Tectu> BrainDamage, so simple 10k pullup and everybody is happy?
2017-12-12T18:48:20 < BrainDamage> no pullup necessary
2017-12-12T18:48:23 < BrainDamage> just tie to gnd
2017-12-12T18:48:39 < BrainDamage> or, turn on the pin an enable the transitor
2017-12-12T18:48:56 < BrainDamage> either way don't leave it floating
2017-12-12T18:49:54 < branjb> i just float them all, is that going to kill my design?
2017-12-12T18:50:05 < branjb> wait
2017-12-12T18:50:07 < BrainDamage> no, it's just worse than the alternative
2017-12-12T18:50:16 < branjb> i make all unused pins analog
2017-12-12T18:50:17 < branjb> or something
2017-12-12T18:50:18 < Tectu> thank you mr. BrainDamage
2017-12-12T18:50:22 < branjb> some checkbox in cube
2017-12-12T18:50:59 < branjb> "set all free pins as analog"
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2017-12-12T18:53:00 < karlp> Tectu: there's explicit ntoes in the "getting started with xxxx hardware development" pdf series about unused pins
2017-12-12T18:53:07 < karlp> and also again in the GPIO section of each refman
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2017-12-12T19:09:19 < englishman> 40cm snow forecast today \o/
2017-12-12T19:10:21 < Steffanx> Lol, and this country is in total panic with just 5-10cm :P
2017-12-12T19:10:35 < qyx> \o/
2017-12-12T19:10:45 < englishman> already ran a red light in front of a cop \o/
2017-12-12T19:10:54 < qyx> Steffanx: how was your 180Km/h wind?
2017-12-12T19:10:55 < Steffanx> Schools closed, code red, dont go on the road..
2017-12-12T19:11:04 < englishman> ooh thats a lot of wind
2017-12-12T19:11:21 < Steffanx> We didnt have that afaik, qyx
2017-12-12T19:11:23 < englishman> turbines will have to shut down at 90km/h
2017-12-12T19:11:56 < qyx> forecast was saying it should go from France to benelux and more to the north
2017-12-12T19:12:21 < BrainDamage> englishman: do you also pretend you're a rally pilot when the first snow comes in?
2017-12-12T19:12:29 < Steffanx> Oh, we just had some snow the last few days. Almost gone now.
2017-12-12T19:12:44 < englishman> BrainDamage: not this year, got new snow tires and i can no longer doriftu
2017-12-12T19:12:45 < qyx> we were hit a bit, some fallen trees in few ski resorts
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2017-12-12T19:39:47 < Steffanx> Did you get sued yet Laurenceb_? For breaking the thing?
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2017-12-12T20:07:49 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: who knows
2017-12-12T20:07:53 < Laurenceb_> I wrote to HR
2017-12-12T20:10:06 < jadew> my wife just bought me a hot glue gun from lidl for about $13 and it's the best glue gun I've ever used
2017-12-12T20:10:59 < jadew> it doesn't drip and it doesn't make strings
2017-12-12T20:13:05 < jadew> https://www.lidl.de/de/parkside-heissklebepistole-php-500-d2/p229330
2017-12-12T20:13:06 < jadew> that one
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2017-12-12T20:14:43 < jadew> after you put it down, there's no extra glue coming out of it
2017-12-12T20:17:12 < Steffanx> :)
2017-12-12T20:17:49 < MrMobius> tell your wife to buy american
2017-12-12T20:18:01 < MrMobius> :P
2017-12-12T20:18:49 < Steffanx> If it were american it would be fat and dripping terribly.
2017-12-12T20:19:23 < MrMobius> a lot of us are fat but we dont usually drip
2017-12-12T20:20:55 < BrainDamage> what term do you prefer? leak?
2017-12-12T20:21:58 < upgrdman> cheesy discharge
2017-12-12T20:27:46 < MrMobius> https://youtu.be/HSJ8tvdM-FM?t=49
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2017-12-12T20:32:06 < englishman> Laurenceb_ link the emails
2017-12-12T20:34:27 < Laurenceb_> too secrit
2017-12-12T20:45:03 < englishman> redact any text that says laurent and/or b_ and/or Dr.
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2017-12-12T20:58:24 < Steffanx> Better contact nottingham hospital englishman :P
2017-12-12T21:08:41 < branjb> trying to do a udp server with lwip, in wireshark the packets from uC to PC are marked with destination IP 0.0.0.0 even though I have udp_connect(pcb, addr, 1234) with addr as non-zero
2017-12-12T21:08:46 < branjb> is this some kind of error happening?
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2017-12-12T21:41:25 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-12-12T21:41:39 < Laurenceb_> Moriarty is also responsible for Make Derby
2017-12-12T21:41:49 < Laurenceb_> >tfw I literally live in a meme
2017-12-12T21:42:20 < Laurenceb_> trolls all around me irl as well
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2017-12-12T22:01:39 < upgrdman> well
2017-12-12T22:03:47 < Steffanx> curt.
2017-12-12T22:04:30 < Steffanx> Hello.
2017-12-12T22:04:39 < Steffanx> Why so early..
2017-12-12T22:04:55 < Steffanx> Ya mate.
2017-12-12T22:05:54 < Steffanx> What will today bring curt?
2017-12-12T22:06:36 < Steffanx> 10kV?
2017-12-12T22:07:49 < Steffanx> if only your aunt was born female he would have been your uncle?
2017-12-12T22:07:52 < Steffanx> *male
2017-12-12T22:07:55 < Steffanx> such fail.
2017-12-12T22:09:02 < Steffanx> one cant dislike that
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2017-12-12T22:11:59 < Steffanx> Ja
2017-12-12T22:14:18 < Steffanx> uhm, shower, watch a movie, sleep.
2017-12-12T22:14:30 < Steffanx> oh and wait for 3d printer to finish printing
2017-12-12T22:14:59 < Steffanx> and buy some parts to make controller box more silent
2017-12-12T22:15:07 < Steffanx> No, it is printing
2017-12-12T22:15:47 < Steffanx> Ya, the controller of the 3d printer.
2017-12-12T22:15:57 < Steffanx> china fans are noisy as hell
2017-12-12T22:16:36 < Steffanx> No need to replace those, yes.
2017-12-12T22:16:37 < Steffanx> t
2017-12-12T22:16:52 < Steffanx> Will call when it's time for that
2017-12-12T22:17:04 < Steffanx> Can i still call DJ phone number?
2017-12-12T22:18:13 < Steffanx> Damnit
2017-12-12T22:18:29 < Steffanx> Need a proper way to stalk.
2017-12-12T22:19:39 < Steffanx> aha
2017-12-12T22:21:18 < Steffanx> Not sure if i can survive aussie accent
2017-12-12T22:26:59 < englishman> https://www.servethehome.com/say-farewell-putty-microsoft-adds-openssh-client-windows-10/
2017-12-12T22:27:59 < karlp> it's not jus ssh, it's also hhaving a good terminal client.
2017-12-12T22:28:17 < Steffanx> > where ssh => C:\MinGW\msys\1.0\bin\ssh.exe
2017-12-12T22:28:17 < Steffanx> :P
2017-12-12T22:28:18 < englishman> powershell is gr8
2017-12-12T22:28:21 < englishman> such power many shell
2017-12-12T22:28:52 < karlp> thttat's after I gave up on trying :)
2017-12-12T22:30:36 < BMWPower> I want to detect a pulse on LDR (interrupt)
2017-12-12T22:30:53 < karlp> AWD probably
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2017-12-12T22:42:20 < gnom> http://www.lofibucket.com/articles/oscilloscope_quake.html
2017-12-12T22:42:22 < gnom> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMli33ornEU
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2017-12-12T23:18:24 < MrMobius> http://xahlee.info/comp/APL_symbol_meaning.html
2017-12-12T23:18:34 < MrMobius> if you like programming in hieroglyphics
2017-12-12T23:19:38 < oz4ga> one get used to it
2017-12-12T23:19:50 < oz4ga> it's just functional programming
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2017-12-13T01:34:19 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redd.it/p64zqnubbp1z.png
2017-12-13T01:39:02 < aandrew> lol
2017-12-13T01:39:06 < aandrew> I only ever tie a full windsor
2017-12-13T01:39:11 < aandrew> half windsor looks like ass
2017-12-13T01:39:16 < aandrew> and everything else looks pompous
2017-12-13T01:41:50 < Laurenceb_> >tie license
2017-12-13T01:58:13 < upgrdman> it must suck to have a job where you need to wear a tie
2017-12-13T01:58:26 < upgrdman> t-shirt&shorts master race checking in
2017-12-13T01:59:13 < Laurenceb_> >implying u arent a gigolo
2017-12-13T01:59:37 < Laurenceb_> I used to work with an Iranian guy who did that on the side
2017-12-13T01:59:45 < Laurenceb_> his site might even still b up
2017-12-13T01:59:59 < Laurenceb_>  "full Persian service"
2017-12-13T02:02:17 < Laurenceb_> it got a bit homo when he used to come up behind my desk and start giving me a shoulder massage
2017-12-13T02:04:04 < upgrdman> nice   http://shitcode.net/best
2017-12-13T02:05:22 < Laurenceb_> lol @ faceberg
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2017-12-13T02:08:37 < Laurenceb_> trans.Commit();
2017-12-13T02:08:43 < Laurenceb_> when u cut ur dick off
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2017-12-13T02:25:05 < Laurenceb_> redirectFromOldSlug
2017-12-13T02:25:09 < Laurenceb_> wew wtf is that
2017-12-13T02:25:19 < Laurenceb_>     $redirectArray[3][1] = 'beauty-young';
2017-12-13T02:25:23 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap
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2017-12-13T02:35:24 < MrMobius> why is so much of the shitty code in Polish?
2017-12-13T02:51:01 < Laurenceb_> https://www.3ders.org/images2017/new-ai-based-algorithm-transform-2d-image-face-3d-model-1.jpg
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2017-12-13T03:07:16 < aandrew> upgrdman: nah, I disagree
2017-12-13T03:07:30 < aandrew> I don't have to wear anything fancy, but I truly wouldn't mind an office job where a suit was required
2017-12-13T03:07:46 < aandrew> what'd suck is getting into the habit of changing when I got home
2017-12-13T03:07:51 < stvn> yes sir
2017-12-13T03:08:00 < englishman> suit no
2017-12-13T03:08:02 < englishman> tie yes
2017-12-13T03:08:13 < aandrew> suit tends to imply a tie
2017-12-13T03:08:25 < stvn> i never had to wear one
2017-12-13T03:08:41 < englishman> http://www.exec-comms.com/Pictures/Blog2/noyce.jpg
2017-12-13T03:10:12 < aandrew> lol @ shitcode, thanks upgrdman
2017-12-13T03:10:49 < stvn> the capacitors
2017-12-13T03:13:44 < englishman> you will capacitor no longer
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2017-12-13T03:18:16 < upgrdman> aandrew, re: tie, why?
2017-12-13T03:18:35 < upgrdman> seems like more effort and the only reward is that you feel special
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2017-12-13T03:27:09 < stvn> the BOM has capacitors
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2017-12-13T03:39:11 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/dYNPsOY
2017-12-13T03:39:31 < Laurenceb_> windozer makes your opensores wurk
2017-12-13T03:40:26 < stvn> lol
2017-12-13T03:42:49 < stvn> windows xp the operating system of china
2017-12-13T03:49:11 < stvn> it'd be funny if steffan put this in the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFJOoUjGtYU
2017-12-13T03:49:58 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: is that a projectile or what?
2017-12-13T03:50:06 < branjb> if I want something like a uint19_t, can I just make a uint32_t, make the upper 13 bits always all 1, then do math on it?  that'll take care of all the rollover right?
2017-12-13T03:50:27 < branjb> then only read the lower 19 bits when I am using the value from it
2017-12-13T03:51:53 < stvn> kakimir: it's for his waifu
2017-12-13T04:03:30 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: yes
2017-12-13T04:03:32 < Laurenceb_> its a rockoon
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2017-12-13T04:04:13 < Laurenceb_> stvn: lunix = dependency hell, windozer xp = ~1GB dll downloads
2017-12-13T04:05:00 < stvn> yah
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2017-12-13T04:05:53 < stvn> i'm sure mr.lunix himself (linus) has talked about that for years
2017-12-13T04:07:06 < stvn> better use winpros
2017-12-13T04:10:15 < Laurenceb_> this shit literally will not run on latest lunix
2017-12-13T04:10:21 < Laurenceb_> runs on ancient winxp
2017-12-13T04:15:59 < stvn> just buy windows 10 and be done with the horseshit forever
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2017-12-13T04:34:28 < stvn> dave jones burned down altium
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2017-12-13T04:37:49  * Laurenceb_ has been testing his rockoon with piano wire loops and micrometer
2017-12-13T04:38:07 < Laurenceb_>  +-5% match to the FreeCAD distortions
2017-12-13T04:38:12 < Laurenceb_> I'll call that a win
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2017-12-13T06:21:22 < ohsix> boobies
2017-12-13T06:21:52 < ohsix> i was shot at today and i couldn't really tell anyone, so woo irc
2017-12-13T06:23:08 < ohsix> SHIT IS REAL
2017-12-13T06:23:47 < ohsix> ReadErr: you see American Vandal?
2017-12-13T06:24:04 < ohsix> Atlanta was news, early 2018
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2017-12-13T06:24:30 < ohsix> American Gods -> show runners have left, rumors about neil gaiman coming on, christen chenowith not returning, somehow; doesn't look great
2017-12-13T06:33:56 < MrMobius> ohsix, what did they shoot at you?
2017-12-13T06:43:02 < jadew> got shot at and can't tell anyone - were you robbing a store?
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2017-12-13T06:59:50 < stvn> get up steffan
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2017-12-13T07:54:37 < ohsix> MrMobius: 38 revolver i think :p
2017-12-13T07:56:18 < ohsix> it was some real yosemite sam shit
2017-12-13T07:57:05 < stvn> yo
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2017-12-13T08:03:11 < stvn> well as always
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2017-12-13T10:13:16 < jadew> ffs... some of the registers on the FX2 LP are completely fucked up
2017-12-13T10:13:45 < jadew> there's a count that you have to program and it's spread across bits that are not consecutive
2017-12-13T10:14:19 < jadew> on top of that, based on some other bits, some bits may have different meanings
2017-12-13T10:14:30 < jadew> they're muxing up to 3 meanings per bit
2017-12-13T10:14:50 < zyp> haha
2017-12-13T10:18:36 < jadew> http://5.12.11.127/stuff/cypress.png
2017-12-13T10:19:00 < jadew> same bit can be either PFC12 or PFC11
2017-12-13T10:19:06 < jadew> or some other shti
2017-12-13T10:19:07 < jadew> *shit
2017-12-13T10:19:09 < zyp> haha, wtf
2017-12-13T10:19:23 < zyp> oh, and this is a shitty 8-bit cpu, right?
2017-12-13T10:19:27 < zyp> hence the 8-bit registers
2017-12-13T10:19:32 < jadew> yeah
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2017-12-13T11:11:26 < tomeaton17> http://www.revk.uk/2017/12/its-official-adsl-works-over-wet-string.html
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2017-12-13T11:47:53 < Steffanx> Weirdo...
2017-12-13T11:58:25 < Steffanx> [10:47:53] <Steffanx> Weirdo...
2017-12-13T11:59:15 < Steffanx> lol
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2017-12-13T12:12:16 < karlp> 01:08 < aandrew> suit tends to imply a tie  <<< not someone who travels nordic much then ;)
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2017-12-13T13:49:32 < Tectu> altidongs 18 incoming: http://www.altium.com/altium-designer/coming-soon
2017-12-13T13:49:37 < Tectu> release dec15
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2017-12-13T14:20:45 < karlp> heh, st bought atollic
2017-12-13T14:20:53 < karlp> byeby swstm32 shit,
2017-12-13T14:25:39 < Tectu> when was taht?
2017-12-13T14:34:25 < Steffanx> yesterday mr sir Tectu
2017-12-13T14:34:29 < Steffanx> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/c2839.html
2017-12-13T14:34:59 < Steffanx> How can this not be the latest news in swisserland?
2017-12-13T14:35:24 < Tectu> Geneva, Switzerland, / 12 Dec 2017 q__q
2017-12-13T14:35:43 < Steffanx> Better make pro version free now.
2017-12-13T14:36:51 < Tectu> pro version is pretty inexpensive, though
2017-12-13T14:37:24 < Steffanx> imho 1k for isnt really inexpensive.
2017-12-13T14:37:45 < Tectu> try to get keil then
2017-12-13T14:38:32 < Tectu> gotta go, cu you later, folks o/
2017-12-13T14:38:41 < Steffanx> Even more expensive-arguments are no arguments :P
2017-12-13T14:39:45 < Steffanx> See ya, mr Tectu
2017-12-13T14:47:26 < karlp> hrm, what can I do with skype credit?
2017-12-13T14:48:11 < Steffanx> Call crt.
2017-12-13T14:49:22 < Steffanx> Sadly DJ first aid number is no longer a thing.
2017-12-13T14:50:22 < Steffanx> Do you expect a serious answer karlp?
2017-12-13T14:52:57 < karlp> well, was wondering if someone knew anything _else_ you could do with them,
2017-12-13T14:53:13 < karlp> don't use it anymore, whatsapp has better quality and the people I was calling now have smart phones
2017-12-13T14:54:54 < tomeaton17> Just wondering why does the default jlink reset strategy for stm32f04xx not use the nRST line?
2017-12-13T14:55:25 < jpa-> because lazy people might not connect it
2017-12-13T14:55:50 < tomeaton17> Lol
2017-12-13T14:59:19 < zyp> karlp, skype credits are useful if you for whatever reason needs to call a foreign phone number
2017-12-13T15:00:50 < zyp> like some sort of public office or company or whatever that you'd like to call rather than email
2017-12-13T15:06:47 < Steffanx> Working from home at my pc at work using RDP over a VPN. I knew RDP was good, not not that it was THIS good.
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2017-12-13T15:39:15 < zyp> last time I were in the US, I had to change/build some .dll file
2017-12-13T15:39:27 < zyp> for which I got the build env in a VM on my home desktop
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2017-12-13T15:40:32 < zyp> the macos remote desktop stuff across half the world also works surprisingly well
2017-12-13T15:46:51 < sync> Steffanx: for a commercial situation 1k is pretty cheap
2017-12-13T15:53:53 < karlp> zyp: yeah, I do that so rarely and prices even from mobile are really pretty ok these days.
2017-12-13T15:54:28 < karlp> tomeaton17: also, because some people actually like to be able to connect and debug what's running _now_ not what starts running again after a reset.
2017-12-13T15:56:18 < zyp> karlp, depends where you're calling
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2017-12-13T17:37:42 < Steffanx> isnt mac os remote desktop just vnc, zyp?
2017-12-13T17:48:19 < zyp> yep
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2017-12-13T18:21:00 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/5sF_Tm.jpg
2017-12-13T18:24:37 < kakimir> better look under the bonnet
2017-12-13T18:24:52 < jadew> holly fuck, cypress sucks balls
2017-12-13T18:25:07 < englishman> everyone learns this eventually
2017-12-13T18:25:32 < jadew> in their example firmware, when they handle the control requests, THEY DON'T CHECK WHAT KIND OF REQUEST IT IS
2017-12-13T18:25:38 < jadew> standard / class / vendor
2017-12-13T18:26:11 < emeb> that's ok - it's just demo code.
2017-12-13T18:26:33 < emeb> if you're serious about reliability / correctness you'll write it all over from scratch the proper way.
2017-12-13T18:26:40 < jadew> it's demo code they advertise as "we made this for you so you can just modify that"
2017-12-13T18:27:36 < emeb> I fear for our modern way of life - it's founded on technology that's built like this.
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2017-12-13T18:28:04 < englishman> only if you use software built by jadew
2017-12-13T18:28:11 < jadew> spent a half an hour trying to figure out why my vendor requests are successful but the damn LED won't blink
2017-12-13T18:28:39 < emeb> right - because all those cheap chinese gadgets we buy are coded up the right way.
2017-12-13T18:29:03 < jadew> I actually write more than I should from scratch
2017-12-13T18:29:13 < emeb> armies of top-flight programmers who aren't just tweaking the mfgs demos.
2017-12-13T18:29:14 < jadew> but this time I'm just experimenting
2017-12-13T18:30:07 < jadew> they use spaces for indentation and in some files they use 3 spaces, in others two
2017-12-13T18:30:20 < jadew> (in the same project)
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2017-12-13T18:42:19 < Laurenceb> ST now owns truestudio
2017-12-13T18:42:22 < Laurenceb> cant wait /s
2017-12-13T18:42:53 < aandrew> ST bought atollic?
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2017-12-13T18:42:57 < aandrew> maybe we'll finally get a mac port
2017-12-13T18:43:07 < aandrew> I'm only really interested in the debugger
2017-12-13T18:43:15 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/group3/64/0a/8b/fb/e5/29/46/34/DM00436631/files/DM00436631.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00436631.pdf
2017-12-13T18:43:21 < Laurenceb> looks like a TR22xx clone
2017-12-13T18:46:50 < qyx> spaces for indentation
2017-12-13T18:46:50 < qyx> ^^
2017-12-13T18:49:16 < tomeaton17> yikes
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2017-12-13T19:24:28 < karlp> aandrew: it runs on linux, it doesn't run on mac yet?
2017-12-13T19:25:19 < aandrew> correct
2017-12-13T19:25:55 < aandrew> karlp: and in fact I don't want the whole fucking IDE, I ideally would like to have some network control port to drive the debugger. they have some interesting debug tools available in there and I'd like to use them without the pointy clicky shit
2017-12-13T19:27:01 < karlp> the debugger is just gdb, aiui, they just have enough wrappers on top for ui,
2017-12-13T19:27:21 < karlp> like some of their advertised features like "virtual printf" are literalyl just "print expression on breakpoint and continue"
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2017-12-13T19:49:37 < aandrew> right
2017-12-13T19:49:52 < aandrew> I just want to see how they're achieving some of the visualizations and duplicate them
2017-12-13T19:50:06 < aandrew> like all OSS, the problem isn't in the functionality, it's in the operation
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2017-12-13T20:29:38 < fest> damn, I do regret using kicad for stuff that requires diff pair length matching (usb3, mipi)
2017-12-13T20:30:11 < upgrdman> one of the managers, and one of the employees, at my work dont really like each other but they have to. its so funny to be CC'd on their emails. such petty shit, mostly from the manager... lulz
2017-12-13T20:30:23 < upgrdman> *but they have to work together.
2017-12-13T20:30:54 < fest> the functionality (diff pair routing, intra/inter pair length matching) is there... but does not work for my geometry
2017-12-13T20:39:55 < aandrew> talk to azonenberg, he does that almost exclusively and uses kicad. he's on #hackvana and also ##fpga
2017-12-13T20:51:42 < upgrdman> anyone know if wireshark or some easy tool for windows can send a raw IP packet to a specific network adapter? i need to test my ethernet mcu code and right now it looks like im getting garbled shit. want to send a basic packet like "to mac address aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff, send 4 bytes: 0x01, 0x02, 0x03, 0x04"
2017-12-13T20:53:55 < aandrew> upgrdman: can you use raw sockets on windows?
2017-12-13T20:54:07 < upgrdman> i dunno
2017-12-13T20:54:12 < upgrdman> i'd rather not write a program
2017-12-13T20:54:21 < aandrew> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms740548(v=vs.85).aspx is the first google hit, not sure if it's any good
2017-12-13T20:54:33 < upgrdman> was hoping for a free tool or some one-liner i can shit into cmd.exe or powershell
2017-12-13T20:55:29 < upgrdman> oh  https://wiki.wireshark.org/Tools#Traffic_generators
2017-12-13T20:56:51 < aandrew> http://packeth.sourceforge.net/packeth/Home.html looks nice
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2017-12-13T21:36:09 < karlp> upgrdman: you might want things like scapy, or nmap's python scripting
2017-12-13T21:36:27 < karlp> they're used by the script kids these days for thheir things.
2017-12-13T21:37:26 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-13T21:37:39 < upgrdman> packeth is working for now, but will look into those
2017-12-13T21:37:53 < karlp> aandrew: right, so... how do you want ot use it standalone then? I don't get it.
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2017-12-13T21:49:15 < englishman> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/WiI7Hmt.jpg
2017-12-13T21:52:10 < upgrdman> wtf lpc1768 ethernet:
2017-12-13T21:52:11 < upgrdman> 26 RangeError [1] The received packet exceeds the maximum packet size.
2017-12-13T21:52:19 < upgrdman> [1] The EMAC doesn't distinguish the frame type and frame length, so, e.g. when the IP(0x8000) or
2017-12-13T21:52:19 < upgrdman> ARP(0x0806) packets are received, it compares the frame type with the max length and gives the "Range"
2017-12-13T21:52:20 < upgrdman> error. In fact, this bit is not an error indication, but simply a statement by the chip regarding the status of the
2017-12-13T21:52:20 < upgrdman> received frame
2017-12-13T21:52:45 < upgrdman> cool, so an error bit is not an error. how nice of them.
2017-12-13T21:54:28 < kow_> englishman, I just found one of those in a consumer product
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2017-12-13T21:54:39 < englishman> cool
2017-12-13T21:54:42 < englishman> what is it
2017-12-13T21:54:58 < kow_> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HlKxDi8T7rWj72rA2
2017-12-13T21:54:58 < englishman> and what are they replacing it with
2017-12-13T21:55:02 < kow_> ;P
2017-12-13T21:55:19 < kow_> any other sbc should work
2017-12-13T21:55:21 < englishman> btw google photos doesnt allow anonymous photo sharing anymore
2017-12-13T21:55:26 < englishman> so your fullname is shown
2017-12-13T21:55:36 < kow_> I'm not anonymous
2017-12-13T21:55:44 < englishman> k k
2017-12-13T21:55:46 < kow_> personally I'm eval'ing the orange pi boards for a similar project
2017-12-13T21:55:47 < englishman> some people care is all
2017-12-13T21:55:56 < kow_> if you care you should be good at it
2017-12-13T21:56:09 < englishman> is that magjack
2017-12-13T21:56:26 < kow_> nah amphenol micro usb
2017-12-13T21:56:31 < englishman> ah cool
2017-12-13T21:56:32 < kow_> waterproof
2017-12-13T21:56:48 < englishman> is that your project
2017-12-13T21:56:50 < kow_> nah
2017-12-13T21:56:51 < kow_> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rzF3nBktBw3pePGF2
2017-12-13T21:57:01 < kow_> it's the competition ;)
2017-12-13T21:57:32 < englishman> heh
2017-12-13T21:57:38 < englishman> $800
2017-12-13T21:57:52 < englishman> is this as bad or worse than piksi?
2017-12-13T21:58:09 < englishman> at least it includes antenna
2017-12-13T21:58:13 < kow_> the hardware design is great, the software was designed by an engineer :/
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2017-12-13T21:58:35 < englishman> is the gps at least something good like m8p?
2017-12-13T21:58:44 < kow_> m8n, they do rtk on the edison
2017-12-13T21:58:58 < kow_> m8p can do rtk on it's own
2017-12-13T21:59:16 < englishman> m8n can output carrier data?
2017-12-13T21:59:26 < kow_> err sorry, m8t
2017-12-13T21:59:30 < englishman> ah k
2017-12-13T21:59:43 < englishman> i wonder why, m8t+edison costs much more than m8p
2017-12-13T21:59:53 < kow_> maybe m8p wasn't out yet?
2017-12-13T22:00:04 < englishman> probably. since there's an edison :P
2017-12-13T22:00:29 < kow_> you still need a CPU to make sense of the data and output it to the correct formats
2017-12-13T22:00:41 < kow_> as this outputs to a variety of useful survey formats
2017-12-13T22:00:48 < englishman> ah neat
2017-12-13T22:01:00 < kow_> I am developing a similar board running on orange pi that allows you to drop in an m8n with custom firmware
2017-12-13T22:01:16 < kow_> so for ~$50 you can do rtk
2017-12-13T22:01:52 < kow_> https://photos.app.goo.gl/gR4OaECCad7cCZuo2
2017-12-13T22:02:05 < englishman> cool
2017-12-13T22:11:01 < qyx> wait waht
2017-12-13T22:11:12 < qyx> amphenol waterproof microusd
2017-12-13T22:12:06 < qyx> so what is it
2017-12-13T22:12:14 < qyx> rtk gps receiver or what?
2017-12-13T22:12:44 < englishman> https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/amphenol-commercial-products/MUSBK15230/MUSBK15230-ND/3465047
2017-12-13T22:12:54 < englishman> yes with some processing apparently
2017-12-13T22:21:42 < Laurenceb> yay
2017-12-13T22:21:46 < Laurenceb> >be me
2017-12-13T22:21:55 < Laurenceb> >finally install latest freecad on lunix
2017-12-13T22:22:01 < Laurenceb> >run gmsh
2017-12-13T22:22:10 < Laurenceb> >there are 0 elements in the mesh
2017-12-13T22:22:14 < Laurenceb> epin failz
2017-12-13T22:23:07 < upgrdman> wireshark says a packet is 60 bytes long, and the ethernet MAC is saying it's 636 bytes long. is that normal? is there that much overhead that wireshark doesnt see?
2017-12-13T22:24:12 < upgrdman> hmm. thats ~10x. i wonder if maybe the pc is communication at 10Mbps and the MAC is using 100Mbps for some reason
2017-12-13T22:26:05 < upgrdman> haha fuck, maybe that's it. windows say 10.0Mbps, and i think i configed my eth mac for 100Mbps
2017-12-13T22:26:22 < upgrdman> i would have thought it would auto detect 10 and drop down, but i guess now
2017-12-13T22:26:24 < upgrdman> not*
2017-12-13T22:31:50 < gnom> anybody: help me, how to send to the port from memory using dma
2017-12-13T22:33:20 < gnom> be desirable using cmsis hal
2017-12-13T22:34:19 < gnom> if there is an example, then give the link
2017-12-13T22:35:01 < upgrdman> ahaha GOD DAMN IT. that was my problem. forcing the adapter into 100Mbps mode "fixed" it. now to see if the mcu can autodetect speed.
2017-12-13T22:35:37 < gnom> transfer of bytes from the array is necessary
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2017-12-13T22:42:33 < kow_> I did the stm32l4 discovery seminar today, pretty good intro to the hardware
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2017-12-13T22:45:59 < Steffanx> What to say englishman...
2017-12-13T22:47:15 < englishman> you're jealous of my processing power and temperature rating, i know
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2017-12-13T22:50:21 < Steffanx> Hell yeah. stvn knows all about it
2017-12-13T22:50:42 < stvn> hello welcome!
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2017-12-13T23:09:24 < stvn> full take care do everything.
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2017-12-13T23:14:10 < Tectu> yes?
2017-12-13T23:16:31 < karlp> hrm, don't want to go and struggle with kicad again.
2017-12-13T23:16:47 < karlp> what are the chances that I can just open it again and it will have decided that gnd should indeed be connected to gnd?
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2017-12-13T23:29:25 < Tectu> karlp, better buy alitum. Just did that.
2017-12-13T23:29:40 < Tectu> seems like money well invested.
2017-12-13T23:33:15 < englishman> now???
2017-12-13T23:33:20 < englishman> like 2 days before 18 is released?
2017-12-13T23:38:58 < Steffanx> Dont you get free updates?
2017-12-13T23:39:00 < Steffanx> I do.
2017-12-13T23:41:05 < Tectu> I got it with the subscription, Mr. englishman
2017-12-13T23:41:47 < ohsix> Laurenceb: what's the solver in gmsh do, it's not fea is it?
2017-12-13T23:42:40 < ohsix> faak
2017-12-13T23:42:57 < Steffanx> Is Laurenceb fired yet?
2017-12-13T23:43:02 < englishman> nice
2017-12-13T23:43:21 < ohsix> lul was looking for open source fea junk in fedora repos with random random searches, skipped over gmsh cuz it just looked like a pre/postprocessor; but the default solver it talks to does shit just fine
2017-12-13T23:43:24 < ohsix> dum
2017-12-13T23:43:36 < BrainDamage> gmsh is not a solver, it's merely a mesh sectioner
2017-12-13T23:43:55 < BrainDamage> input geometry, spit matrix mesh
2017-12-13T23:44:22 < ohsix> right
2017-12-13T23:44:48 < ohsix> http://gmsh.info/ in the intro paragraph i'm not certain 'solver' was there when i looked
2017-12-13T23:45:03 < ohsix> http://gmsh.info/doc/texinfo/gmsh.html#Solver and if you look it mentions getdp
2017-12-13T23:45:27 < ohsix> it probably was and i just failed it
2017-12-13T23:48:38 < ohsix> hehe so much math, going to take a few days to learn how to set up scenarios and tests and junk; i've pir8'd comsol and ansys and they have a bunch of tcl ui junk that lets you generate bad data very quickly
2017-12-13T23:51:46 < ohsix> what type of facility in the material properties of a solid would you use to represent weakness on Z that thermal printing has, isotropy? would you analyze the post-slice geometry?
2017-12-13T23:52:48 < ohsix> from test samples or someone elses data you can just say it won't withstand this stress along that tensor or watever they're called
2017-12-13T23:53:40 < ohsix> guess if you want to account for infill you have to do post-slice or generate the internal geometry for it
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2017-12-14T00:00:33 < karlp> Tectu: no.
2017-12-14T00:00:51 < Tectu> ok
2017-12-14T00:07:18 < zyp> aww, rejected
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2017-12-14T00:17:03 < ohsix>  lul
2017-12-14T00:17:08 < ohsix> old guys don't know how toweb
2017-12-14T00:17:18 < ohsix> they're like 'we aren't getting email'
2017-12-14T00:17:43 < ohsix> have to keep them talking so ic an even begin to interpret what they mean, ultimately it was an mx record issue and nobody on the phone that they could call would do it for them
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2017-12-14T00:22:13 < ohsix> they won't log into cpanel
2017-12-14T00:22:14 < ohsix> hehe
2017-12-14T00:28:58 < ohsix> i feel bad for literally everyone they get on the phone
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2017-12-14T00:38:32 < ohsix> the way i fix everything they must think i'm some kind of wizard
2017-12-14T00:43:43 < kakimir> jadew: I got 116GB of 160GB
2017-12-14T00:43:51 < kakimir> disc is not visible anymore
2017-12-14T00:43:58 < kakimir> disk or disc?
2017-12-14T00:44:03 < kakimir> k or c?
2017-12-14T00:44:42 < MrMobius> ck
2017-12-14T00:45:37 < kakimir> di
2017-12-14T00:45:43 < kakimir> yeah
2017-12-14T00:54:37 < upgrdman> ethernet pros: is it possible to get an ethernet mac to autodetect 10 or 100 Mbps modes?
2017-12-14T00:55:09 < upgrdman> maybe the lpc1768's mac is just shit, because it looks like i have to choose one or the other :/
2017-12-14T00:55:57 < kakimir> not familiar with the subject but I assume phy would inform about it somehow
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2017-12-14T01:24:50 < kakimir> can I have parameters for linux commands so that I can use same command over again and somehow do this macro type of thing that replaces stuff in it with parameter
2017-12-14T01:25:43 < ohsix> upgrdman: y
2017-12-14T01:25:49 < ohsix> well, the phy
2017-12-14T01:26:19 < ohsix> autonegotiation involves line testing shit, and soem really fancy macs can detect when there's a crossover cable or not in there and work with either
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2017-12-14T01:28:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, my phy works at both 10 and 100 just fine. but when configing the mac, i just have an option to pick one or the no. no option to autoswitch
2017-12-14T01:28:21 < upgrdman> so i guess its up to the firmware to decide :(
2017-12-14T01:31:42 < ohsix> it has an external phy?
2017-12-14T01:32:35 < ohsix> you'll ask the phy to begin autoranging and probably collect the result later, if it doesn't do it automatically
2017-12-14T01:32:57 < BrainDamage> https://twitter.com/pksofourlives/status/940972799559995392?s=09
2017-12-14T01:33:13 < kakimir> is there any "half speeds" in ethernets
2017-12-14T01:33:35 < ohsix> y
2017-12-14T01:33:39 < ohsix> not full duplex
2017-12-14T01:33:40 < kakimir> if I want let's say more than 100M and my cable would not do 1Gbps
2017-12-14T01:33:50 < BrainDamage> no
2017-12-14T01:33:53 < kakimir> so I would like to have 500M
2017-12-14T01:34:05 < ohsix> oh eh, if the cable can't really do 1gbps then it shouldn't pick it during link training shit
2017-12-14T01:34:33 < ohsix> you can do some teaming junk to pair 100mbps connectors hehe
2017-12-14T01:34:41 < kakimir> I mean to utilize every bit the cable can do
2017-12-14T01:34:48 < BrainDamage> again, no
2017-12-14T01:34:53 < BrainDamage> it's either 100 or 1000
2017-12-14T01:35:07 < kakimir> would it even have any real purpose to have such?
2017-12-14T01:35:28 < BrainDamage> it's just a simplifcation for the hw
2017-12-14T01:35:41 < BrainDamage> negotiating only at fixed speeds makes for simpler controllers
2017-12-14T01:35:48 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-14T01:40:30 < ohsix> hm is the rmii spec shit not free, not seeing what i'd expect on the googlez
2017-12-14T01:42:52 < ohsix> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/DS_LAN8741_00001988A.pdf clause 28 of 802.3 yo
2017-12-14T01:43:47 < ohsix> Once auto-negotiation has completed, information about the resolved link can be passed back to the controller via the Serial Management Interface (SMI). The results of the negotiation process are reflected in the Speed Indication bits of the PHY Special Control/Status Register, as well as in the Auto Negotiation Link Partner Ability Register. The auto-negotiation protocol is a purely physical layer activity and proceeds independently of the MAC controller.
2017-12-14T01:59:22 < kakimir> there
2017-12-14T01:59:30 < kakimir> just like i said
2017-12-14T02:02:34 < kakimir> is there a way to detach prompt from current process runnig?
2017-12-14T02:02:48 < kakimir> free it for use
2017-12-14T02:02:53 < kakimir> then maybe return
2017-12-14T02:03:44 < BrainDamage> ctrl z to freeze it, then bg to send to background, fg to get it back
2017-12-14T02:04:58 < kakimir> i don't wan to freeze it
2017-12-14T02:05:46 < BrainDamage> you have to freeze it first
2017-12-14T02:05:53 < BrainDamage> it resumes when it goes in background
2017-12-14T02:06:20 < kakimir> oh
2017-12-14T02:06:29 < kakimir> is it always safe to do?
2017-12-14T02:06:39 < kakimir> let'ss
2017-12-14T02:06:45 < kakimir> say i'm doing dd
2017-12-14T02:06:53 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-12-14T02:07:12 < kakimir> then i just type bg?
2017-12-14T02:07:21 < BrainDamage> just read the fucking manpage
2017-12-14T02:08:11 < kakimir> oh it's a actual command not just some terminal function
2017-12-14T02:08:39 < BrainDamage> terminals to nothing, just pass text
2017-12-14T02:08:49 < BrainDamage> all the logic is done by shell and programs
2017-12-14T02:13:32 < kakimir> i meant shell
2017-12-14T02:21:33 < BrainDamage> even if it was, shells still have manppage docs
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2017-12-14T02:34:01 < ohsix> sigstop & cont & job control rrrftmth
2017-12-14T02:36:35 < ohsix> boob lube
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2017-12-14T05:07:55 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-12-14T05:08:05 < Laurenceb_> >be me
2017-12-14T05:08:15 < Laurenceb_> >talk to randomers at wurk
2017-12-14T05:08:29 < Laurenceb_> >they are wurking on some shaker system, but its misbehaving
2017-12-14T05:08:43 < Laurenceb_> >I take a look, see shaker piston off at slight angle
2017-12-14T05:09:02 < Laurenceb_> >have a closer look, try to push it in and out, but its jammed
2017-12-14T05:09:15 < Laurenceb_> >push harder, it makes a loud scrape sound
2017-12-14T05:09:26 < Laurenceb_> >tell them its screwed
2017-12-14T05:09:48 < Laurenceb_> >think nothing of it, several weeks later get accused of breaking the whole megabux system
2017-12-14T05:09:56 < englishman> haha
2017-12-14T05:10:18 < englishman> looks like you solved the problem dude
2017-12-14T05:10:22 < englishman> how to stop shaking babby?
2017-12-14T05:10:27 < englishman> break the babby shaking machine
2017-12-14T05:12:11 < Laurenceb_> this whole situation is farcical
2017-12-14T05:20:40 < MrMobius> Laurence you sound really stong in the finger department
2017-12-14T05:24:51 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2017-12-14T05:25:04 < Laurenceb_> I manage to smash a car shaker with my finger
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2017-12-14T05:35:00 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_ is up late
2017-12-14T05:35:04 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-12-14T05:35:06  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-12-14T05:36:04 < emeb_mac> what's the latest cool hardware project Laurenceb_ ?
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2017-12-14T05:43:57 < MrMobius> breaking expensive shit
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2017-12-14T06:45:02 < Thorn> soyuz undocking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
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2017-12-14T08:04:08 < englishman> http://www.bitscope.com/product/blade/?p=about
2017-12-14T08:37:26 < MrMobius> do they have a version for arduinos?
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2017-12-14T09:15:54 < Thorn> landing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
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2017-12-14T10:35:52 < jadew> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=77e_1513181129
2017-12-14T10:36:00 < jadew> this happened close to my house
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2017-12-14T10:36:49 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-14T10:37:18 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-14T10:37:27 < jadew> the attacker was a nut job
2017-12-14T10:38:01 < jadew> yeah, she was
2017-12-14T10:52:24 < jadew> it is sad, she was only 25 years old
2017-12-14T10:52:59 < jadew> apparently the attacker (another woman) tried to do the same a couple of hours before, but failed
2017-12-14T10:53:45 < jadew> she wasn't that close
2017-12-14T10:54:02 < jadew> but yeah, from now on I'm gonna sit on those chairs
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2017-12-14T10:55:16 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-14T10:55:38 < jadew> her relatives tried to get her committed, but they were refused
2017-12-14T10:55:48 < jadew> the hospital said she's not a threat
2017-12-14T10:55:57 < jadew> (that was a month ago)
2017-12-14T10:56:05 < jadew> for being insane
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2017-12-14T11:00:23 < jadew> night
2017-12-14T11:03:02 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DO0XyS8Ko
2017-12-14T11:07:52 < Thorn> http://www.spaceref.com/iss/soyuz/SCLSaB.edit.pdf
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2017-12-14T11:33:08 < daey> just dont hold that barrel outside a hotel window :^)
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2017-12-14T12:25:28 < qyx> updatimg stm32 firmware over mqtt over tcp/ip over 115200 baud serial over gprs modem
2017-12-14T12:25:32 < qyx> -> 100B/s
2017-12-14T12:29:13 < zyp> qyx, haha
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2017-12-14T12:45:13 < karlp> qyx: for my curiousity, how are you structuring the fw in mqtt? a retained topic with the entire binary image? or smaller messages for each chunk or what?
2017-12-14T12:48:01 < zyp> good question
2017-12-14T12:48:41 < zyp> putting everything in one topic means you'd be relying on TCP flow control while writing
2017-12-14T12:49:08 < zyp> I don't think I'd want to do it like that
2017-12-14T12:49:24 < zyp> although it'd be convenient to not need special host tools
2017-12-14T12:50:25 < zyp> I figure I'd have bootloader subscribed to a command topic where I send write block commands, and sending responses to a response topic
2017-12-14T12:52:05 < karlp> yeah, thought of various ways, just curious what was actually done :)
2017-12-14T12:52:09 < zyp> same :)
2017-12-14T12:52:42 < zyp> when using retained topics, I guess it can be split across multiple, and then bootloader can fetch on at a time
2017-12-14T12:52:45 < karlp> I've thought of the entire blob on a payload when the blob is for a sub device, ie, my linux sbc takes the blob, and _it_ deals with how to program that to some internal device
2017-12-14T12:53:03 < zyp> yeah, that makes sense
2017-12-14T12:53:06 < karlp> but retained topics with fw on them seemed like a lot less management overhead from the central side.
2017-12-14T12:53:31 < karlp> topics with metadata json so the remote end can decide when/if to do updates, that sort of thing
2017-12-14T12:53:44 < zyp> yeah
2017-12-14T12:58:12 < karlp> only just rolled out the sub devices with field programmable fw though, so haven't done this yet :)
2017-12-14T12:58:31 < karlp> probably will just have https instead.
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2017-12-14T13:01:01 < qyx> karlp: I tried the whole firmware in a single publish with qos = 2 but somehow this didn't work with wolf-mqtt library
2017-12-14T13:01:39 < qyx> I also tried splitting it and publishing with qos=2, retain and clear_session=0 on the client
2017-12-14T13:01:57 < karlp> wouldn't see why you'd need qos 2 for this actually.
2017-12-14T13:02:10 < karlp> qos 0 would seem sufficient.
2017-12-14T13:02:14 < qyx> mhm
2017-12-14T13:02:33 < qyx> maybe true, I tried all possible combinations
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2017-12-14T13:03:09 < qyx> 11:52 < zyp> when using retained topics, I guess it can be split across multiple, and then bootloader can fetch on at a time
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2017-12-14T13:03:17 < qyx> this needs qos=2 and retain
2017-12-14T13:03:24 < karlp> why?
2017-12-14T13:03:38 < qyx> because you need every block once
2017-12-14T13:03:49 < qyx> exactly once
2017-12-14T13:03:55 < qyx> otherwise you have to handle missing blocks
2017-12-14T13:04:06 < karlp> you can do that applicatoin side anyway, you're already going to have to manage to sequentially changing topics.
2017-12-14T13:04:29 < karlp> or are you trying to send messages in sequence from the far side as well?
2017-12-14T13:04:33 < karlp> that seems like pain
2017-12-14T13:04:39 < qyx> yes
2017-12-14T13:04:52 < karlp> I would have just retained qos0 chunks on numbered topics.
2017-12-14T13:04:58 < karlp> let the client chew them at their leisure.
2017-12-14T13:04:59 < qyx> hm
2017-12-14T13:05:09 < zyp> qyx, multiple as in separate subtopics
2017-12-14T13:05:14 < qyx> this approach didn't come to my minf
2017-12-14T13:05:14 < karlp> yeah
2017-12-14T13:05:22 < zyp> fw/blah/0 fw/blah/1 and so on
2017-12-14T13:05:25 < karlp> not sequential ont he same topic, that definitely just sounds like pain
2017-12-14T13:05:36 < karlp> and yes, would warrant qos2 :)
2017-12-14T13:06:23 < qyx> I ended with send block/ack block for now
2017-12-14T13:06:29 < qyx> thats why it is so slow
2017-12-14T13:06:31 < qyx> but still
2017-12-14T13:07:07 < qyx> I run a python client on a localhost and it is comparably slow
2017-12-14T13:07:27 < qyx> tcpdump shows that acks are delayed ~200ms
2017-12-14T13:07:46 < qyx> I am curious what does the python-mqtt lib actually do in the loop
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2017-12-14T13:10:24 < karlp> are you calling a .loop() function explicitly? those often have an implicit block for some time to wait for new messages.
2017-12-14T13:10:35 < qyx> also wtf the file is corrupted
2017-12-14T13:10:47 < qyx> no, loop_forever() or start_loop()
2017-12-14T13:10:49 < karlp> mosquitto_loop() Ithink blocks for a up to a second by default :)
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2017-12-14T13:13:44 < qyx> anyway I cannot see how should be the loop() supposed to block if packets are arriving
2017-12-14T13:14:27 < karlp> it would wait for packets to arrive.
2017-12-14T13:14:31 < karlp> but shouldn't matter for you.
2017-12-14T13:14:42 < karlp> that just sounds like some screwy implementation.
2017-12-14T13:24:17 < qyx> apparently the problem is tcp NO_DELAY
2017-12-14T13:24:24 < qyx> TCP_NODELAY
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2017-12-14T13:56:29 < sync> karlp zyp ECUs do it that way, they send one block, the ecu CRCs it, acks the block and then the next block is sent by the tester
2017-12-14T13:56:59 < zyp> well, yeah
2017-12-14T13:57:21 < zyp> I figure most stuff that streams firmware updates does it like that
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2017-12-14T14:47:13 < qyx> back to the mqtt thing
2017-12-14T14:47:27 < qyx> posting the whole firmware at once with topics like fw/block/0, fw/block/1, etc.
2017-12-14T14:48:00 < qyx> how could I read all blocks one by one?
2017-12-14T14:48:27 < qyx> subscribing to fw/block/# may cause out-of-order delivery
2017-12-14T14:48:45 < qyx> and subscribing to every single block is dumb
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2017-12-14T14:53:33 < zyp> why?
2017-12-14T14:54:23 < zyp> if you're doing something like that, you'd be using mqtt as a key value store
2017-12-14T14:54:42 < zyp> so you'd have something like a get() function that subscribes, receives and unsubscribes
2017-12-14T14:55:22 < karlp> yeah, subscribes unusubscribes aren't exactly expensive operations or anything
2017-12-14T14:56:04 < qyx> it will be slower than now
2017-12-14T14:56:21 < karlp> if it is, that's because your stack is busted.
2017-12-14T14:56:36 < zyp> no, it's because long RTT between broker and client
2017-12-14T14:57:00 < qyx> you have to do sub, sub ack, get message, unsub, unsub ack
2017-12-14T14:57:09 < qyx> unstead of just get message, pub ack message
2017-12-14T14:57:16 < zyp> to work around that, you can split things into smaller blocks and pipeline it
2017-12-14T14:57:20 < karlp> well, you don't hve to unsub straight away...
2017-12-14T14:57:33 < qyx> or sub to a reasonable number of blocks
2017-12-14T14:57:35 < zyp> subscribe to the next block while writing the previous
2017-12-14T14:57:36 < qyx> and buffer them
2017-12-14T14:57:40 < karlp> yep.
2017-12-14T14:58:00 < zyp> the whole point of pipelining is to mitigate RTT
2017-12-14T14:58:23 < qyx> I'll ota update those new changes once the basic method works :>
2017-12-14T14:59:41 < zyp> does it have to be mqtt though?
2017-12-14T14:59:58 < qyx> it doesn't
2017-12-14T15:00:04 < qyx> but it is much easier right now
2017-12-14T15:00:12 < qyx> because the mqtt is used for multiple other things
2017-12-14T15:00:12 < zyp> you could publish a http url from some topic and fetch the firmware from there instead
2017-12-14T15:00:19 < qyx> I could
2017-12-14T15:00:30 < qyx> but I don't have implemented tcp/ip mux yet
2017-12-14T15:00:45 < qyx> the whole thing is meh
2017-12-14T15:00:52 < zyp> hehe
2017-12-14T15:01:33 < qyx> either I have to do ppp and tcp/ip stack or fuk around with the at commands to get multiple sockets
2017-12-14T15:02:18 < qyx> I hate AT commands
2017-12-14T15:02:35 < qyx> some oft hem end with OK, some don't
2017-12-14T15:02:40 < qyx> some have response, OK
2017-12-14T15:02:42 < qyx> some OK, response
2017-12-14T15:03:03 < qyx> and some have reponses like URC codes
2017-12-14T15:03:34 < qyx> all commands occasionally return error, it depends on who-knows what
2017-12-14T15:03:54 < qyx> It was pain to get it working
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2017-12-14T15:04:13 < qyx> I feel like Laurenceb now
2017-12-14T15:12:37 < karlp> which network module are you using for this?
2017-12-14T15:12:55 < qyx> quectel m66
2017-12-14T15:17:16 < karlp> in other news: http://www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j5397
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2017-12-14T15:39:44 < jpa-> https://i.imgur.com/VnY01hJ.gifv   kakimir at work
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2017-12-14T15:58:52 < Laurenceb> reeeee office christmas party
2017-12-14T15:59:04 < Laurenceb> why is my lair invaded by thots
2017-12-14T16:04:26 < Laurenceb> prosecco everywhere
2017-12-14T16:04:58 < BrainDamage> meh, sweet one is better for the occasion
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2017-12-14T16:14:19 < tomeaton17> For my one Im meant to dress up 1920s style. not happening
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2017-12-14T16:58:43 < Laurenceb> hmm freecad now has elmer support
2017-12-14T16:58:47 < Laurenceb> hyperloop tiem
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2017-12-14T17:07:31 < tomeaton17> I have a IC that needs a 1V+ peak to turn it on. I want this to happen when I plug in the battery, but it cant be done with a uC or a cap. How can I do this?
2017-12-14T17:13:18 < dongs> https://imgur.com/a/A15Fz FUCK YOU
2017-12-14T17:13:24 < dongs> where'S crt
2017-12-14T17:15:35 < jpa-> tomeaton17: why not with a cap?
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2017-12-14T17:17:58 < karlp> dongs: you're meant to edit and save as a new one?
2017-12-14T17:19:15 < dongs> you cant edit it
2017-12-14T17:19:21 < dongs> its the only choice
2017-12-14T17:19:35 < tomeaton17> jpa-: Because the pin that requires the voltage peak is also used to sense a thermistor, and adding the cap messes that up
2017-12-14T17:20:00 < BrainDamage> can you describe wtf are you trying to do
2017-12-14T17:20:10 < BrainDamage> because it really sounds like an xy problem
2017-12-14T17:21:58 < BrainDamage> laurenceb's hyperloop idea https://i.imgur.com/Osa0jeF.gif
2017-12-14T17:22:35 < Laurenceb> http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5230/5867492707_4056539cdc.jpg
2017-12-14T17:24:19 < tomeaton17> Okay so I have this schematic http://tomeaton.uk/img/sch.png Pin 6 on U2 requires the voltage peak. At the moment I am using C5 to give the peak but this messes up the reading of TH1. How else can I get this voltage peak
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2017-12-14T17:25:45 < BrainDamage> that's still an xy problem description
2017-12-14T17:25:57 < BrainDamage> tell what you want to do, not how
2017-12-14T17:27:21 < BrainDamage> http://xyproblem.info/
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2017-12-14T17:29:50 < tomeaton17> I have, I need a 1v+ peak on pin 6 of u2 when I plug in the battery
2017-12-14T17:30:10 < dongs> what eh fuck is that in english
2017-12-14T17:30:12 < dongs> what is a "peak"
2017-12-14T17:30:15 < dongs> pulse?
2017-12-14T17:30:22 < tomeaton17> yeah
2017-12-14T17:30:31 < jpa-> funny way how that bq chip wants to be started
2017-12-14T17:30:37 < Ultrasauce> that is kind of bizarre
2017-12-14T17:30:42 < jpa-> maybe add a diode in addition to the cap?
2017-12-14T17:30:43 < Ultrasauce> so why not just use a gpio on the microcontroller
2017-12-14T17:31:11 < tomeaton17> Ultrasauce-: Because the uC is powered by the bq
2017-12-14T17:31:44 < BrainDamage> and why does that pin also has the ntc? if it has such weird startup sequence there's almost surely an application note or an example circuit to show it
2017-12-14T17:32:08 < BrainDamage> yet i feel like you're still making an xy question
2017-12-14T17:32:14 < Ultrasauce> the datasheet has a fucking button on it
2017-12-14T17:32:55 < jpa-> tomeaton17: as i see it, BQ76920 will internally apply pull-up for a moment to read the thermistor; currently C5 is slowing down the ramp and it reads incorrect temperature; if you add a diode in series with C5, when the thermistor pin voltage rises, the diode will keep the cap from affecting it
2017-12-14T17:33:25 < tomeaton17> Ultrasauce: Yeah I dont want the button, I want it to be automated
2017-12-14T17:33:25 < Laurenceb> anyone here installed openfoam on lunix?
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2017-12-14T17:33:53 < tomeaton17> jpa-: Yeah okay, I guess it doesnt account for the change in rc that C5 gives. Diode should work. I will give that a go, thanks
2017-12-14T17:34:59 < jpa-> not sure if you will also need some pulldown to fully discharge C5 when disconnected
2017-12-14T17:36:21 < BrainDamage> rather tha pulldown, a resistor in parallel
2017-12-14T17:38:40 < Ultrasauce> so in your design you intend for there to be no way to turn it on except connecting the battery?
2017-12-14T17:39:02 < jpa-> BrainDamage: but a parallel resistor would leak current into the thermistor
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2017-12-14T17:44:16 < tomeaton17> Ultrasauce: Yes, because its a BMS for a quadcopter and there is no point in that chip if its not monitoring the battery, you can power the uC externally when debugging
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2017-12-14T17:49:45 < BrainDamage> jpa-: ok, i think i see what you mean, a pulldown before c5 would allow to discharge it trough R1 and the NTC until ~0.7 when the diode opens while the battery is disconnected, but since Vc1 is also battery sensing voltage, adding it after the 100Ohm resistor would alter slightly the voltage seen by Vc1, but i guess the bleed resistor can be sufficiently large to not be important, otherwise, it could just be wired before
2017-12-14T17:51:08 < tomeaton17> Yeah I need to change it to be wired before, I made that mistake with U3
2017-12-14T17:52:17 < Ultrasauce> is the intent for the battery to be charged onboard?
2017-12-14T17:52:22 < BrainDamage> if you're not using diodes elsewhere and you need to pick one for the pourpose, you might want to use a shottcky
2017-12-14T17:52:28 < Ultrasauce> cause if vbat goes below the monitor's threshold, it'll shut down forever
2017-12-14T17:52:31 < BrainDamage> they have lower vdrop
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2017-12-14T17:53:55 < tomeaton17> No its just for monitoring
2017-12-14T17:54:08 < tomeaton17> BrainDamage: Okay
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2017-12-14T18:04:53 < karlp> BrainDamage: heh, that train rollign gif I saw on imgur over lunch :) pretty sweet
2017-12-14T18:05:33 < karlp> https://imgur.com/gallery/AcXzX behind the gif for people thatmissed it
2017-12-14T18:07:05 < dongs> fucking japs
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2017-12-14T18:17:59 < zyp> got some autodesk spam, apparently eagle now has push&shove routing
2017-12-14T18:18:15 < Laurenceb> like
2017-12-14T18:18:30 < Laurenceb> like there's literally nothing wrong with clickbait
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2017-12-14T18:41:04 < dongs> almost finished deniggering ad18 color scheme
2017-12-14T18:41:15 < dongs> its mostly white now
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2017-12-14T18:45:16 < aandrew> lol
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2017-12-14T19:03:12 < qyx> anyone played with the HART protocol?
2017-12-14T19:03:59 < qyx> more specifically with the modulation used
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2017-12-14T19:06:33 < karlp> not me, have always been curious to see anyone use it
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2017-12-14T19:20:50 < Steffanx> only wrote some test software for some modem thingy, qyx. Which was nothing more than uart->analog 4-20mA. It didnt do real hart atm.
2017-12-14T19:21:00 < Steffanx> AD5700 iirc
2017-12-14T19:23:34 < Steffanx> and another ic part of the loop, dont remember which one
2017-12-14T19:31:55 < qyx> I found the maxim part
2017-12-14T19:32:27 < qyx> DS8500
2017-12-14T19:33:12 < qyx> looks wasy
2017-12-14T19:33:15 < qyx> *easy
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2017-12-14T21:03:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKIIG04vjM
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2017-12-14T21:20:20 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/295c76acbf/65961.png lulwut
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2017-12-14T22:02:53 < qyx> mhm my caps beep
2017-12-14T22:03:16 < qyx> when I push them with somehing, the frequency changes
2017-12-14T22:05:19 < fest> ceramic?
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2017-12-14T22:48:44 < qyx> yes, ceramic
2017-12-14T22:49:02 < qyx> some X5R 10uF/25V
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2017-12-14T23:12:06 < karlp> englishman: so, you won the pot on guessing the distribution of capacitance for 1.5uF X1, 400V caps.
2017-12-14T23:12:29 < karlp> for +-10% specced, n=100, the distribution was ~normal, but centered around the -5% or so,
2017-12-14T23:12:44 < englishman> heh
2017-12-14T23:12:48 < karlp> everything measured within +-10%, but every single part was below 1.5uF
2017-12-14T23:12:50 < englishman> did you see the capacitor video that was posted? :)
2017-12-14T23:13:02 < karlp> yeah, it was really interesting, but it didn't really touch this per se.
2017-12-14T23:13:23 < karlp> and honestly, if they're going to be _actually_ 1.4+-5%, I'd rather they just fucking said that.
2017-12-14T23:16:06 < jpa-> at 0V dc bias?
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2017-12-14T23:17:23 < karlp> yeah, let's not get into the whhole, "how do you measure a capacitor" you could just as easily say, "how do you spec a capactior"
2017-12-14T23:17:37 < karlp> but this was "capacitance mode" measurements on a dmm
2017-12-14T23:25:57 < jpa-> yeah, i just wouldn't trust it that much myself
2017-12-14T23:26:24 < jpa-> perhaps if you have some +-1% reference cap to check with
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2017-12-14T23:59:05 < kakimir> any ubuntu pros here?
2017-12-14T23:59:31 < kakimir> I updated my mint and then added corrected ppas back to sources.list.d
2017-12-14T23:59:35 < kakimir> or repos
2017-12-14T23:59:49 < kakimir> so now there is only repos no keys
2017-12-14T23:59:52 < kakimir> or something
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2017-12-15T00:01:30 < kakimir> so I only find laborious methods to get it corrected
2017-12-15T00:02:31 < kakimir> find key id or hash then apply it to a moster of command that fetches key and adds it to keyring or something
2017-12-15T00:04:26 < kakimir> no-ubuntu
2017-12-15T00:04:51 < kakimir> superbia: install gentoo
2017-12-15T00:05:01 < kakimir> big bois trolled me in school
2017-12-15T00:05:22 < kakimir> I asked about ubuntu tweaking and they said - install gentoo
2017-12-15T00:05:35 < kakimir> then I did
2017-12-15T00:05:40 < kakimir> it was stupid
2017-12-15T00:06:00 < zyp> haha
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2017-12-15T00:08:56 < kakimir> I try y-ppa-manager
2017-12-15T00:09:02 < kakimir> visual wizard
2017-12-15T00:09:15 < kakimir> click stuff and it do stuff probs
2017-12-15T00:12:36 < qyx> don't you enjoy compiling compilers and stuff?
2017-12-15T00:13:12 < kakimir> nah
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2017-12-15T00:14:49 < BrainDamage> gentoo is a compiler with an os around it
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2017-12-15T00:18:29 < kakimir> I wonder if they teach linux in schools with title: intall gentoo
2017-12-15T00:22:34 < BrainDamage> not sure if the situation improved now, but back when i tried gentoo many years ago, i ragequit after few weeks due to lack of packages for gui config tools
2017-12-15T00:23:03 < BrainDamage> i understand that config files and command line is powerful, but i don't want to dig into a manual for mundane tasks such as switching wifi
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2017-12-15T00:40:13 < kakimir> what gui?
2017-12-15T00:40:43 < englishman> kakimir: tikka is fucking awesome
2017-12-15T00:41:31 < BrainDamage> chicken tikka masala?
2017-12-15T00:41:47 < kakimir> how much it did cost englishman?
2017-12-15T00:41:55 < englishman> 800 beaverbuxxx
2017-12-15T00:42:01 < kakimir> not bad
2017-12-15T00:42:07 < englishman> not at all i think
2017-12-15T00:42:08 < kakimir> used or new?
2017-12-15T00:42:12 < englishman> used
2017-12-15T00:42:16 < englishman> they are $1200 new or so
2017-12-15T00:42:20 < englishman> its in good shape
2017-12-15T00:42:52 < kakimir> only track use actually wears rifle
2017-12-15T00:43:16 < kakimir> so that you can tell it's no good anymore
2017-12-15T00:43:36 < englishman> yeah a couple nicks from fudding about but the bore is sharp and shiny
2017-12-15T00:44:24 < BrainDamage> pic?
2017-12-15T00:44:28 < kakimir> tried friends evo today
2017-12-15T00:44:46 < kakimir> pretty easy awd drifting and stuff
2017-12-15T00:45:01 < kakimir> almost boringly easy
2017-12-15T00:45:58 < kakimir> but there wasn't room to properly test it
2017-12-15T00:47:30 < englishman> no pix til the scope is on
2017-12-15T00:47:45 < kakimir> it doesn't have proper heating for being basically a petrol furnace on wheels
2017-12-15T00:48:13 < kakimir> or for being jap car and they have snow in north too
2017-12-15T00:48:39 < BrainDamage> real men go hunting for russians with iron sights while holding snow in mouth to reduce breath steam condensation
2017-12-15T00:49:10 < kakimir> and with half of face torn off by bullet
2017-12-15T00:49:12 < englishman> jap cars are like paper maché
2017-12-15T00:49:31 < englishman> even if they have good heat it's instantly lost through the thin paper frame
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2017-12-15T00:50:25 < kakimir> it's blew lukewarm air
2017-12-15T00:50:30 < kakimir> it*
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2017-12-15T00:51:08 < kakimir> maybe it's thermostat was broken
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2017-12-15T00:51:20 < kakimir> so common with all the ricers
2017-12-15T00:51:30 < englishman> altidumb 18 is ugly as fuck and isn't faster
2017-12-15T00:51:32 < englishman> and crashes more
2017-12-15T00:52:00 < kakimir> crashes more? do you imply it never stops crashing?
2017-12-15T00:52:08 < kakimir> or never has been crash free?
2017-12-15T00:52:23 < englishman> it manages to flip out every few days
2017-12-15T00:52:31 < englishman> been ok since i started closing it before going home
2017-12-15T00:54:23 < kakimir> that is why use kicad
2017-12-15T00:54:54 < kakimir> it don't just suddenly crash but every time you find the latest bug
2017-12-15T00:55:21 < kakimir> and it keeps changing place where it is
2017-12-15T00:55:48 < kakimir> daily repo rules
2017-12-15T00:56:07 < BrainDamage> why don't you pick a version and stick with it
2017-12-15T00:56:15 < BrainDamage> then you have consistent bugs for a while
2017-12-15T00:56:23 < kakimir> then you can not do one thing
2017-12-15T00:56:38 < BrainDamage> then use 2 versions with complimentary bugs
2017-12-15T00:56:52 < kakimir> but you can rotate design process with updates
2017-12-15T00:57:11 < kakimir> ordered more ubiquiti
2017-12-15T00:57:18 < kakimir> now 4 and counting
2017-12-15T00:57:30 < kakimir> Powerbeam M2 400
2017-12-15T00:58:12 < englishman> ooo 3D is much faster
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2017-12-15T01:07:23 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/YdXDwJI.gifv
2017-12-15T01:08:57 < kakimir> I feel lazy
2017-12-15T01:09:07 < kakimir> it's 1AM I should be hacking
2017-12-15T01:09:20 < kakimir> my tig welder
2017-12-15T01:09:28 < kakimir> *repair
2017-12-15T01:13:22 < kakimir> I wonder if I should replace potentially fried 78L15 with mini360
2017-12-15T01:15:06 < kakimir> nah.. it needs something with higher abs max
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2017-12-15T01:19:51 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/2222262/Penis#13b88c_2221818
2017-12-15T01:22:45 < kakimir> I read unfunnyjunk
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2017-12-15T03:12:23 < Laurenceb_> Everybody laughed at Amy Schumer when she said she was going to be a comedian. well their not laughing now
2017-12-15T03:16:58 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ secretly wish to be a full time comedian
2017-12-15T03:20:38 < kakimir> all makes sense now
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2017-12-15T04:39:35 < aandrew> hm
2017-12-15T04:40:09 < aandrew> jlink can't erase: "****** Error: Failed to download RAMCode!"
2017-12-15T04:40:17 < aandrew> but if I use w4/mem32 I can erase it just fine
2017-12-15T05:09:18 < dongs> my hate for tokyo grows everyday im here
2017-12-15T05:09:23 < dongs> worst fuckng place
2017-12-15T05:09:31 < dongs> and my LTE in the middle of nowehre is way faster than here
2017-12-15T05:09:35 < dongs> thanks to NO FUCKING PEOPLE AROUND
2017-12-15T05:10:01 < dongs> aandrew: keil? turn off caching shit in the target dialog
2017-12-15T05:10:26 < dongs> tho i have no iwea waht w4/mem32 is so it sounds like you're using GAYGDB
2017-12-15T05:10:30 < dongs> in which case NO FUCKING HELP FOR YOU
2017-12-15T05:10:46 < aandrew> dongs: no, just regualr old jlinkexe
2017-12-15T05:13:12 < dongs> NK should buke tokyo
2017-12-15T05:14:09 < dongs> er
2017-12-15T05:14:09 < dongs> nuke
2017-12-15T05:14:12 < dongs> fuck
2017-12-15T05:14:16 < dongs> took me 3 minutes to reconnect
2017-12-15T05:14:19 < dongs> thats hwo fucking slow network is
2017-12-15T05:14:20 < dongs> here
2017-12-15T05:14:28 < dongs> fuck japan and fuck tokyo
2017-12-15T05:14:45 < dongs> bbl, too raged
2017-12-15T05:32:34 < aandrew> hah
2017-12-15T05:43:22 < kow_> why don't u leave
2017-12-15T05:43:43 < kow_> I hate tokyo *leaves IRC*
2017-12-15T05:44:34 < kakimir> hey good bye net neutrality
2017-12-15T05:46:17 < kow_> what net neutrality
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2017-12-15T05:49:00 < kakimir> yankee think
2017-12-15T05:49:03 < kakimir> thing
2017-12-15T05:49:37 < kow_> right, what net neutrality ;)
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2017-12-15T09:07:32 < jadew> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-42070719
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2017-12-15T09:09:42 < jadew> next up
2017-12-15T09:09:58 < jadew> kids are preparing for the admission season... to hogwarts
2017-12-15T09:13:24 < jadew> next up: "British electricity company, performs voodoo ritual to send lightning over competitor's facilities"
2017-12-15T09:13:56 < jadew> (african science)
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2017-12-15T10:16:55 < qyx> I found my problem https://www.edn.com/design/components-and-packaging/4364020/Reduce-acoustic-noise-from-capacitors
2017-12-15T11:14:58 < jadew> what is it called when you finish all the difficult parts of a project but you lose the motivation to finish it
2017-12-15T11:15:24 < jadew> I've always had that and it's a PITA
2017-12-15T11:19:23 < karlp> it's called being an innovator or an entrepreneur or something
2017-12-15T11:19:34 < karlp> also, seems to depend on what you declare difficult.
2017-12-15T11:19:47 < karlp> sounds like finishing things is also difficult, maybe look at it as a challenge
2017-12-15T11:21:56 < jadew> I guess I could see the situation as a challange, because the problem is that the rest of the project is not challanging anymore
2017-12-15T11:22:45 < jadew> it's like having a crash after the interesting bits are done
2017-12-15T11:23:52 < jadew> I suppose that letting it happen over and over again doesn't help either
2017-12-15T11:25:12 < Fleck> jadew: same here
2017-12-15T11:25:45 < jadew> glad to hear I'm not alone
2017-12-15T11:25:59 < jadew> I wonder if there's a trick to overcoming this
2017-12-15T11:26:04 < karlp> jadew: aren't you trying to get out on your own selling things?  you migth want to work on actually finishing things
2017-12-15T11:26:13 < karlp> and doing things that you don't consider "hard"
2017-12-15T11:26:27 < jadew> karlp, yeah, that's what I'm trying to do
2017-12-15T11:26:30 < karlp> I would definitely try reframing them as hard obstacles to overcome, rather than boring nonwork
2017-12-15T11:26:47 < jadew> I do have a project ready, because luckily, it was difficult every step of the way
2017-12-15T11:27:21 < jadew> karlp, yeah, that's probably the way to go
2017-12-15T11:29:52 < ohsix> call it being normal
2017-12-15T11:31:59 < ohsix> the interesting part is always so small
2017-12-15T11:32:14 < jadew> well, in this case it wasn't
2017-12-15T11:32:29 < jadew> I have like 20 more lines of code to write and I've been delaying it for 2 days already
2017-12-15T11:32:29 < PaulFertser> jadew++ same here, losing most of motivation after it becomes really predictable and boring.
2017-12-15T11:38:17 < jadew> I think a trick that may help is to have something interesting in queue and having to push through the current task in order to get there
2017-12-15T11:38:18 < ohsix> the trick seems to be putting it on github and someone caring about it or not later
2017-12-15T11:38:30 < PaulFertser> Sometimes those boring parts end up not so trivial though.
2017-12-15T11:38:45 < jadew> ohsix, lol
2017-12-15T11:38:52 < jadew> PaulFertser, true
2017-12-15T11:39:11 < PaulFertser> If that trick was actually effective, we'd have no procrastination, I guess.
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2017-12-15T12:23:14 < kleinjl> hi, anyone known an open source ata/ide bitbanging?
2017-12-15T12:24:07 < kleinjl> just device, no host
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2017-12-15T14:40:39 < karlp> I wonder why someone made this with push buttons, not cap touch? http://www.fingersonic.com/
2017-12-15T14:43:51 < BrainDamage> physical buttons have the advantage of tactile feedback, so you can use that stuff even without looking, if you were to place it alongside a plethora of other equipment like synths or dj sets
2017-12-15T14:44:01 < c10ud> how do you make cuttable corners in the pcb so the fab doesn't get mad at you?
2017-12-15T14:44:31 < BrainDamage> do you mean v-grooves?
2017-12-15T14:45:58 < c10ud> even a plain hole is just fine
2017-12-15T14:46:19 < c10ud> let me show u
2017-12-15T14:48:36 < c10ud> https://imgur.com/a/Ouoxd
2017-12-15T14:50:52 < c10ud> probably I just need to make a whole polygon
2017-12-15T14:51:15 < BrainDamage> if you want v-scoring, it has to be a contigous line all over the pcb
2017-12-15T14:51:26 < BrainDamage> on its own gerber layer
2017-12-15T14:52:39 < BrainDamage> tab and retain typically too
2017-12-15T14:56:42 < c10ud> ugh
2017-12-15T15:02:01 < c10ud> looks like the edge cuts polygon did the trick, at least for the 3d viewer, I'll try and see what dirtypcb says
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2017-12-15T16:04:35 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/6gPwJG.jpg
2017-12-15T16:05:19 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/3p69tK.jpg
2017-12-15T16:05:21 < jadew> got a message from the gym and before I read I thought to myself "great, more spam to get me back as a customer"
2017-12-15T16:05:42 < jadew> after I read it I realized I still have a membership and they just wanted to let me know the holiday schedule
2017-12-15T16:06:58 < jadew> Laurenceb, is that in the UK?
2017-12-15T16:07:04 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: there's a popular (among certain circles) rhyme here that says: "Higher, higher, the black flag, the state is the main enemy."
2017-12-15T16:07:06 < Laurenceb> probably
2017-12-15T16:08:09 < jadew> what does it even mean? workers against work?
2017-12-15T16:08:17 < jadew> what do they want?
2017-12-15T16:08:48 < jadew> if they don't want to work, they can quit
2017-12-15T16:09:55 < jadew> also, what's that flag?
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2017-12-15T16:12:43 < Laurenceb> To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand ##stm32. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of computer science most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head.
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2017-12-15T16:15:13 < PaulFertser> Funny how they host their website by using a free account from a company that "May 2014, the company was valued at US$1.16 billion"
2017-12-15T16:16:21 < PaulFertser> "a 5 day conference organised by and for sex workers, with sex worker only sessions where we organised and shared skills, plus public sessions on various issues"
2017-12-15T16:16:38 < PaulFertser> ^^ that might provide some insights to the banner contents
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2017-12-15T16:19:00 < Laurenceb> >shared skills
2017-12-15T16:19:13  * Laurenceb emails his cousin
2017-12-15T16:20:53 < jadew> still pregnant?
2017-12-15T16:21:59 < qyx> Laurenceb: where did you find that humour
2017-12-15T16:22:24 < Laurenceb> the chans, where else
2017-12-15T16:22:34 < BrainDamage> it's a common copypasta shitpost that people fill in replacing few words for context
2017-12-15T16:22:36 < Laurenceb> although I'm pretty much permab& from 4chan :(
2017-12-15T16:22:57 < BrainDamage> did they ban the whole isp ip range?
2017-12-15T16:23:05 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-12-15T16:23:07 < qyx> because your humour is subtle
2017-12-15T16:23:13 < tomeaton17> pretty sure it originated on reddit
2017-12-15T16:23:38 < Laurenceb> apparently I was breaking the law :(
2017-12-15T16:23:49 < qyx> unfortunate
2017-12-15T16:23:59 < BrainDamage> then use tor, you probably have it installed anyway to look at the porn that's now illegal there
2017-12-15T16:24:06 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-12-15T16:24:08 < tomeaton17> but you forgot about ##stm32's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation-
2017-12-15T16:25:02 < jadew> speaking of which, when is season 4 supposed to be out?
2017-12-15T16:25:07 < BrainDamage> the gorilla warfare is also a good one
2017-12-15T16:27:00 < tomeaton17> jadew: like a really long time according to mr poopybutthole
2017-12-15T16:30:20 < jadew> might rewatch it
2017-12-15T16:30:42 < jadew> although, I've seen it a couple of times already
2017-12-15T16:33:59 < jadew> stupid ISE, it crahsed now it keeps crashing when I open it
2017-12-15T16:34:07 < tomeaton17> Yeah I have watched it too many times. Rewatching made me realise how much the art improved over the seasons
2017-12-15T16:39:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqONIPwidQw
2017-12-15T16:39:54 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-12-15T16:40:10 < Laurenceb> buzzcancer everywhere
2017-12-15T16:43:12 < englishman> cool, americans will have to pay to more than 7 things on the internet
2017-12-15T16:43:32 < englishman> exactly as the founding fathers intended
2017-12-15T16:43:57 < tomeaton17> poor americans
2017-12-15T16:55:06 < kakimir> they pay already $150 a month
2017-12-15T16:55:17 < kakimir> now they pay all the services too
2017-12-15T16:55:39 < kakimir> and irc will be blocked
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2017-12-15T17:08:48 < tomeaton17> VPN?
2017-12-15T17:08:58 < kakimir> also poor people will not have internet access anymore
2017-12-15T17:09:12 < kakimir> when total cost is 500$ a month
2017-12-15T17:09:32 < tomeaton17> I really dont think it will get that bad.
2017-12-15T17:10:28 < kakimir> me neather but yankees pay for sucky connections $150 now and they just gave full authoritive power to these rip off monopoly companies
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2017-12-15T17:24:04 < Thorn> CRS-13 Hosted Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPHbqY9LHCs
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2017-12-15T18:03:13 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/Fsj2CZk
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2017-12-15T19:56:57 < Steffanx> Hows the new job kakimir?
2017-12-15T20:04:17 < kakimir> starts 1.1
2017-12-15T20:11:46 < Steffanx> 1.1 is a holiday right? Or more like a time to get sober day :P
2017-12-15T20:14:52 < kakimir> or some day after 1.1
2017-12-15T20:15:38 < kakimir> we are still in lapland 1.1 so some 300km drive down to my new city
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2017-12-15T20:26:28 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-12-15T20:42:32 < englishman> where the fuck is the list of workspaces in altidumb 18
2017-12-15T20:42:58 < englishman> hrmrmr it moved to Recent Workspaces
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2017-12-15T21:08:20 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/6VjMMw.jpg
2017-12-15T21:11:06 < Steffanx> Laurenceb humor.. as in there is none.
2017-12-15T21:15:10 < jadew> actually I observed something interesting related to that when I went with my son in the park a couple of months ago
2017-12-15T21:15:44 < jadew> when birds fly in a pack and they're super synchronized
2017-12-15T21:16:01 < jadew> I believe it's because the ones on the side are controlling the direction of the pack
2017-12-15T21:16:15 < jadew> and the fact that birds have eyes on the sides also helps
2017-12-15T21:18:47 < jadew> (I think that's the case because those birds were always the first to move)
2017-12-15T21:19:52 < jadew> probably with geese in the V formation is not much different
2017-12-15T21:20:47 < jadew> they have a leader and then each two birds are always connected and in negative feedback distance-wise
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2017-12-15T22:20:04 < englishman> Laurenceb takes driving lessons https://i.imgur.com/kXWxEpk.jpg
2017-12-15T22:22:06 < Steffanx> So you think you can drive...
2017-12-15T22:22:21 < Steffanx> Hows the theory exam going Laurenceb?
2017-12-15T22:24:32 < kakimir> proper student car for nuclear physisist
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2017-12-15T23:28:16 < BMWPower> someone has an example for FreeRTOS interrupt and timers?
2017-12-15T23:37:38 < Steffanx> Wake up mr c crt.
2017-12-15T23:37:42 < Steffanx> Get out of bed crt
2017-12-15T23:38:29 < Steffanx> Welcome.
2017-12-15T23:38:44 < Steffanx> What will your saturday bring mr crt?
2017-12-15T23:39:40 < Steffanx> im sure something like that exists, i dont have it hough, BMWPower
2017-12-15T23:39:54 < BMWPower> Oke thanks
2017-12-15T23:40:11 < Steffanx> Seems someting rather common though
2017-12-15T23:40:44 < BMWPower> I thought making an interrupt when the LDR rises ... and then clock how much time it takes to get 1000 raises.
2017-12-15T23:40:52 < BMWPower> rises
2017-12-15T23:41:03 < Steffanx> Welcome Sir. Did you successfully install the security apparatus, crt?
2017-12-15T23:43:11 < Steffanx> Sounds like something you need freertos for or could perfectly do outside freertos, BMWPower
2017-12-15T23:44:35 < Steffanx> dont bully my fellow dutchy, crt.
2017-12-15T23:45:21 < Steffanx> want some?
2017-12-15T23:45:48 < Steffanx> shipping them to the previous address will no longer work i guess?
2017-12-15T23:47:06 < Steffanx> im sure you're mate already placed one
2017-12-15T23:48:02 < BMWPower> oke.... you could be right....
2017-12-15T23:48:13 < BMWPower> just STM32 example ...
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2017-12-16T01:56:18 < kakimir> recommds movies
2017-12-16T01:57:43 < englishman> haywire (2011)
2017-12-16T01:59:13 < Laurenceb_> Netflix and chill
2017-12-16T02:00:16 < kakimir> netflix and chill is a bit 2014
2017-12-16T02:01:04 < Laurenceb_> yeah but its on literally 50% of dating profiles
2017-12-16T02:01:15 < Laurenceb_> I thought they were mega lame and boring
2017-12-16T02:01:24 < Laurenceb_> then I read knowyourmeme
2017-12-16T02:01:30 < Laurenceb_> epin fail
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2017-12-16T02:02:23 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/023/344/d63.jpg
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2017-12-16T02:03:43 < kakimir> will smith
2017-12-16T02:05:42 < BrainDamage> if you want an old movie that's a light view and quite ok: bandits
2017-12-16T02:06:35 < kakimir> sounds familiar
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2017-12-16T02:12:34 < Laurenceb_> https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/great-job-everybody-just-killed-162224594.html
2017-12-16T02:12:43 < Laurenceb_> >when ur in uk
2017-12-16T02:13:01 < Laurenceb_> >and all the free pronz just means moar tiem in jail 4 u
2017-12-16T02:17:49 < kakimir> englishman: female james bond?
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2017-12-16T02:19:41 < englishman> kinda yea
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2017-12-16T02:52:53 < kakimir> it's good
2017-12-16T02:54:36 < englishman> welcome
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2017-12-16T03:07:03 < Cracki> how the fuck do these hysteric people come to the conclusion that there won't be free online porn anymore?
2017-12-16T03:07:32 < Cracki> they're either completely fucked in the head or they spew this bullshit on purpose
2017-12-16T03:08:19 < Cracki> as if there were no FTC, or there never was a time before 2015
2017-12-16T03:13:01 < englishman> why do you wackos think you deserve free online porn? comcast needs money too
2017-12-16T03:15:29 < Laurenceb_> Cracki: yet in the UK all our pronz will literally be pre approved soon
2017-12-16T03:15:42 < Cracki> no face sitting
2017-12-16T03:15:59 < Laurenceb_> no BDSM without on camera consent forms
2017-12-16T03:16:01 < Cracki> license and permit for a fucken tea spoon
2017-12-16T03:16:18 < Cracki> don't leave any bacon lying around either!
2017-12-16T03:16:46 < Cracki> don't build walls, except on your bridges
2017-12-16T03:16:57 < Cracki> anyway
2017-12-16T03:17:07 < Laurenceb_> til UK has 3 year prison sentence for "written cp material"
2017-12-16T03:23:33 < Laurenceb_> anyone who visits chans is prob in jail 4 lief
2017-12-16T03:27:29 < Cracki> it's actually more effective to *threaten* people with persecution than to actually cross that line and get blowback
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2017-12-16T03:52:34 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/883jk364z0401.jpg
2017-12-16T03:53:43 < upgrdman> R2COM:  https://i.imgur.com/EFEadBE.gifv
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2017-12-16T04:00:02 < upgrdman> actual wtf.   nsfw    https://i.redd.it/6bnyj0s5bs301.jpg
2017-12-16T04:00:16 < upgrdman> otter
2017-12-16T04:02:06 < Laurenceb_> my mum is here
2017-12-16T04:02:07 < Laurenceb_> so no
2017-12-16T04:04:55 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/0zlenb0sk7301.jpg
2017-12-16T04:05:04 < upgrdman> found Laurenceb_ ^
2017-12-16T04:05:38 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-12-16T04:05:39 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-12-16T04:18:30 < upgrdman> lolol  https://i.imgur.com/8gkvvMe.gifv
2017-12-16T04:19:17 < Cracki> good pics
2017-12-16T04:19:48 < Cracki> we call that a Flattermöse
2017-12-16T04:22:12 < upgrdman> :D  https://gfycat.com/WickedPerfectBats
2017-12-16T04:24:41 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/7hOXm1o.gifv
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2017-12-16T04:30:25 < Cracki> such tender caresses
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2017-12-16T05:09:14 < jadew> Thank you for completing our survey and for your interest in Maxim’s MAXAUTHDEMO1# kit.
2017-12-16T05:09:14 < jadew> Unfortunately, due to overwhelming interest in the MAXAUTHDEMO1# kit, we are unable to fulfill your order at this moment. We expect to ship you your complimentary kit within the next month as we replenish our inventory.
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2017-12-16T05:44:22 < jadew> I love the love the holiday season
2017-12-16T05:44:37 < jadew> going to make a tea and watch Krampus
2017-12-16T05:56:00 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/hputa8at56401.jpg
2017-12-16T05:57:25 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/p0i270zw15401.jpg
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2017-12-16T06:09:28 < upgrdman> is it just me, or does the control loop for these missiles seem kinda sloppy? wandering around quite a bit right after launch.  https://gfycat.com/AliveSimilarGrosbeak
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2017-12-16T07:14:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> hmm. So i have a small sequece detector (for different buttons). I have a state machine for each sequence, w. each state being the next button press in the sequence.
2017-12-16T07:15:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> 2 questions: Due to contact bounce, how do I deal withrepeated consecutive buttons in the sequence? and how do I deal with bailing out of the sequence
2017-12-16T07:15:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> For the latter, I am currently thinking that I can just have it bail out if it doesn't change state for some amount of time/new button inputs
2017-12-16T07:16:53 < upgrdman> debounce before going to your FSM
2017-12-16T07:17:52 < upgrdman> and ya, check against a timestamp to decide if you should start back at state0 or pick up from where you were
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2017-12-16T07:29:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> ugh, I wasn't going to bother debouncing. As a computer joystick, it's not a terribly important thing to do.
2017-12-16T07:30:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> I suppose I should at the least look for button releases, instead of button down
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2017-12-16T08:20:40 < ohsix> brokered buns
2017-12-16T08:27:15 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: if you keep a history of the last n ms relevant keypresses you can just look for patterns
2017-12-16T08:28:15 < ohsix> you can do shit like bin a bunch of keypresses into m ms slices as if they happen at the same time and make it a little easier to do the 'moves' (like in a fighting game) but then you need to do a suffix sort thing or arrange the moves to not conflict
2017-12-16T08:34:57 < dongs> hello dongs
2017-12-16T08:35:42 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: are you triggering the buttons in exti or scanning in say systick
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2017-12-16T09:06:14 < ds2> @#$%@#$!@$#!@$!@#!@$#@!#@!#!@#!@#! chinese
2017-12-16T09:06:29 < ds2> nightly spammer blasts GRRRR
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2017-12-16T09:41:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> hmmm.
2017-12-16T09:42:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> it's be scanning
2017-12-16T09:42:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> don't think ti's systick - i don't think the timing is anything liket aht guaranteed
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2017-12-16T09:51:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> also, keypresses can be effectively parallel
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2017-12-16T14:28:58 < BMWPower> ** reading FreeRTOS stuff...
2017-12-16T14:46:52 < Getty> lol
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2017-12-16T15:04:33 < Rob235> I hate trig
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2017-12-16T15:37:08 < Steffanx> wb kakimir
2017-12-16T15:37:17 < kakimir> wb?
2017-12-16T15:37:20 < kakimir> white balance?
2017-12-16T15:37:30 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-12-16T15:37:48 < kakimir> oh
2017-12-16T15:37:58 < kakimir> hello stef pa
2017-12-16T15:38:04 < kakimir> LTE problems
2017-12-16T15:38:56 < kakimir> thing just stopped connecting to anything
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2017-12-16T15:49:27 < Steffanx> forgot to pay bills kakimir?
2017-12-16T15:50:07 < kakimir> nah
2017-12-16T15:50:17 < kakimir> I just leech this sim
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2017-12-16T16:32:12 < Laurenceb_> DUDE WE HAVE BIGGER CARS AND STATUES THAN THAT IN AMERICA LOL HAVE YOU SEEN OUR PLANES THEY FLY REALLY FAST IN THE SKY AND WE CAN BOMB EVERYTHING LOL GOD BLESS AMERICA OK
2017-12-16T16:33:02 < kakimir> saudi?
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2017-12-16T16:53:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeVGEe3Rxpg
2017-12-16T16:53:44 < Laurenceb_> when u get to the end
2017-12-16T16:53:47 < Laurenceb_> I kekkd
2017-12-16T17:06:21 < kakimir> never got to begin
2017-12-16T17:08:12 < Steffanx> ^
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2017-12-16T17:23:24 < ReadErr> Rob235 hates triggers
2017-12-16T17:23:39 < Rob235> meh
2017-12-16T17:23:55 < ReadErr> gas the bikes, race war now
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2017-12-16T17:57:20 < englishman> ReadErr: our pal @ goog said they have too much space and 1tb is nothing to them
2017-12-16T17:57:45 < englishman> and their policy isnt to delete your shit but just to disable edits
2017-12-16T17:58:22 < ReadErr> orly naat
2017-12-16T17:58:31 < ReadErr> getting an edu?
2017-12-16T18:00:03 < englishman> il get a 5pack yeah
2017-12-16T18:05:03 < ReadErr> gmail accounts are retarded to make now
2017-12-16T18:05:08 < ReadErr> they want phone #s and shit
2017-12-16T18:11:04 < englishman> hm, i signed up for that one on the weekend with no probs
2017-12-16T18:11:31 < englishman> left phone number blank
2017-12-16T18:13:03 < ReadErr> oh did you do it on a phone?
2017-12-16T18:13:37 < ReadErr> i was looking at my freenas earlier
2017-12-16T18:13:48 < ReadErr> some of the drives have damn near 5years
2017-12-16T18:13:50 < ReadErr> of hours on em
2017-12-16T18:13:51 < ReadErr> lol
2017-12-16T18:13:56 < ReadErr> and 0 have failed
2017-12-16T18:13:57 < englishman> desktop
2017-12-16T18:14:20 < ReadErr> hitachi ultrastars are the truth
2017-12-16T18:14:32 < englishman> i was about to ask, how many are seagate
2017-12-16T18:14:46 < ReadErr> fuck seagate
2017-12-16T18:14:52 < ReadErr> havent used that trash in ages
2017-12-16T18:15:04 < ReadErr> WD Red/Blacks/RE or HGST
2017-12-16T18:16:19 < Laurenceb_> reeee stupid wurk emails
2017-12-16T18:16:29 < Laurenceb_> moar requests for timing tests
2017-12-16T18:17:00 < Laurenceb_> I need to test SOF propagation delay with load of different usb hub configurations
2017-12-16T18:17:31 < jpa-> got any results yet?
2017-12-16T18:17:57 < englishman> no he broke the babby shaking machine
2017-12-16T18:18:14 < ReadErr> englishman: http://www.reebok.com/us/reebok-crossfit-nano-2.0/J94326.html?forceSelSize=J94326_700
2017-12-16T18:18:18 < ReadErr> i got a pair of those
2017-12-16T18:18:20 < ReadErr> sooo comfort
2017-12-16T18:18:34 < englishman> $50 without the crossfit name?
2017-12-16T18:18:50 < ReadErr> oh ya i paid only 50
2017-12-16T18:18:53 < ReadErr> or somethin
2017-12-16T18:18:55 < englishman> lol
2017-12-16T18:19:02 < englishman> ive been barefoot
2017-12-16T18:19:18 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: this is part of usb spec
2017-12-16T18:19:23 < Laurenceb_> its literally pointless
2017-12-16T18:19:54 < ReadErr> oh i got these just for outside when its shitty
2017-12-16T18:20:04 < ReadErr> since wet sandals suck
2017-12-16T18:20:10 < ReadErr> in the cold
2017-12-16T18:20:24 < englishman> snow boots for the south
2017-12-16T18:20:52 < Laurenceb_> tfw my shoes have holes in the soles and literally filled with wet slush a couple of days ago
2017-12-16T18:21:02 < ReadErr> the width is like perfect
2017-12-16T18:21:29 < Laurenceb_> for some reason they dont let water in normally
2017-12-16T18:21:36 < Laurenceb_> seems like hairline cracks in them
2017-12-16T18:21:42 < englishman> the snow here is already 2' or so
2017-12-16T18:21:45 < englishman> http://www.irishsetterboots.com/USD/product/hunting-boots/04838-10-mobu-infty-800g-udry
2017-12-16T18:21:52 < englishman> had these a few years
2017-12-16T18:22:16 < Laurenceb_> heh there is more snow in uk than canada
2017-12-16T18:22:30 < englishman> pretty warm here at -10C
2017-12-16T18:22:34 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-12-16T18:22:50 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7uAEfhYr/IMG_0159.JPG <---
2017-12-16T18:22:51 < englishman> good flying weather
2017-12-16T18:22:54 < Laurenceb_> Canada, not even once
2017-12-16T18:22:55 < ReadErr> most ive ever seen at once
2017-12-16T18:22:56 < ReadErr> here
2017-12-16T18:23:03 < englishman> yeah that is messed up
2017-12-16T18:23:07 < englishman> i remember a few years ago
2017-12-16T18:23:16 < englishman> you were driving and posted a pic of omfg snow
2017-12-16T18:23:18 < ReadErr> normally we get like a few inches
2017-12-16T18:23:19 < ReadErr> most
2017-12-16T18:23:20 < englishman> and there was like 1 snowflake
2017-12-16T18:23:26 < ReadErr> and it melt super fast
2017-12-16T18:23:32 < ReadErr> its still out now though
2017-12-16T18:23:51 < ReadErr> pretty atypical
2017-12-16T18:24:51 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: can you assume all usb hubs follow spec? :P
2017-12-16T18:25:17 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: apparently not O_o I've made this point numerous times
2017-12-16T18:25:23 < Laurenceb_> stupid makework project...
2017-12-16T18:25:28 < englishman> why are you using a usb hub that isnt Genesys
2017-12-16T18:25:45 < englishman> we had to trash all these cypress boards
2017-12-16T18:25:57 < Laurenceb_> why?
2017-12-16T18:26:27 < englishman> disconnecting a HS peripheral corrupts data on other HS peripherals
2017-12-16T18:26:52 < Laurenceb_> oops
2017-12-16T18:26:58 < englishman> so when a camera was disconnected, ft4232h also disconnected but didnt reenumerate
2017-12-16T18:27:19 < englishman> writing to /ttyusbx might as well have written to null
2017-12-16T18:27:26 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-12-16T18:27:34 < Laurenceb_> cant lunix remount it?
2017-12-16T18:27:41 < englishman> switched to genesys part that cost 1/6th and no problems
2017-12-16T18:27:57 < englishman> also easier to route due to no ground paddle
2017-12-16T18:28:07 < englishman> and built in 5v->3v3 reg
2017-12-16T18:28:13 < Laurenceb_> embedded lunix
2017-12-16T18:28:16 < Laurenceb_> spacex style
2017-12-16T18:28:26 < englishman> overall: cypress is trask
2017-12-16T18:28:28 < englishman> trash
2017-12-16T18:28:33 < englishman> jadew can confirm
2017-12-16T18:28:40 < Laurenceb_> I'm just using some dell hubs
2017-12-16T18:28:41 < englishman> yes
2017-12-16T18:28:43 < englishman> intel EDISON
2017-12-16T18:28:46 < Laurenceb_> oh wow
2017-12-16T18:28:55 < Laurenceb_> pwnd
2017-12-16T18:28:56 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/WiI7Hmt.jpg
2017-12-16T18:29:22 < Laurenceb_> thats a lot of edisons
2017-12-16T18:29:33 < englishman> thats only 200 of the 1500 i bought
2017-12-16T18:30:10 < Laurenceb_> prob still costs less than babby shake project
2017-12-16T18:30:17 < Laurenceb_> we have ~ukp2M
2017-12-16T18:30:46 < Laurenceb_> why we need so much is unclear...
2017-12-16T18:32:00 < Laurenceb_> or what we are even supposed to be doing...
2017-12-16T18:32:59 < Laurenceb_> anyway I'm probably getting fired next week
2017-12-16T18:33:14 < Laurenceb_> I got into rage email exchange with the project manager
2017-12-16T18:33:25 < Laurenceb_> I have to "report to his office"
2017-12-16T18:37:49 < englishman> ukp2m for laurent and some oshpark invensense boards
2017-12-16T18:37:57 < Laurenceb_> correct
2017-12-16T18:40:11 < Laurenceb_> I got emailed and asked to construct an experiment to measure vibrational modes of patient transport trolleys
2017-12-16T18:40:53 < Laurenceb_> sent reply saying this could be done with FEA or just back of envelope, and the resonant frequencies are going to be crazy high anyway,so who cares
2017-12-16T18:40:58 < Laurenceb_> this lead to epin rage
2017-12-16T18:41:12 < englishman> ReadErr: I emailed them yesterday to see if my headlamp will ship on fri and was told that I will have to wait 3-4 weeks before my order will ship. I ordered mid November.
2017-12-16T18:41:15 < englishman> ;'(
2017-12-16T18:41:31 < ReadErr> fuu no 2nd model choice?
2017-12-16T18:41:56 < englishman> that was copypasta from a forum, i havent heard shit yet
2017-12-16T18:42:25 < Laurenceb_> THIS IS NOT HOW THIS WORKS!!! REPORT TO MY OFFICE
2017-12-16T18:42:54 < englishman> lol ur fired
2017-12-16T18:43:23 < englishman> from your pwn project
2017-12-16T18:44:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/304437/Respect#319c48_418143
2017-12-16T18:44:16 < Laurenceb_> prob for the best
2017-12-16T18:45:51 < Laurenceb_> I should send my CV to the megabux "fusion" people
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2017-12-16T19:01:19 < Steffanx> Better get your drivers license first, Laurenceb_
2017-12-16T19:02:37 < Laurenceb_> lul it gets worse https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/15/brit_film_board_proposed_as_regulator_of_online_p0rn_agechecks/
2017-12-16T19:09:05 < jadew> I agree, there's something wrong with cypress
2017-12-16T19:09:09 < jadew> probably management
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2017-12-16T19:09:49 < jadew> because everything they do feels sloppy
2017-12-16T19:11:04 < jadew> does anyone have pictures of nice lab spaces?
2017-12-16T19:11:22 < jadew> I've ran out of space and don't know how to rearrange this room
2017-12-16T19:11:44 < jadew> mainly because some of the equipment is as long as my desk is wide
2017-12-16T19:11:51 < jadew> so I probably need to rethink everything
2017-12-16T19:13:26 < Steffanx> new shack jadew..
2017-12-16T19:14:14 < jadew> that would be nice
2017-12-16T19:15:37 < Steffanx> no space in backyard?
2017-12-16T19:15:51 < jadew> I live in an apartment
2017-12-16T19:16:04 < Steffanx> oh :P
2017-12-16T19:16:10 < jadew> yeah...
2017-12-16T19:16:14 < jadew> maybe someday
2017-12-16T19:16:53 < jadew> we've been looking to buy a house a few years ago and the limitting factor was that I wanted it to have a big attic for my lab
2017-12-16T19:17:08 < jadew> big and suitable
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2017-12-16T19:27:06 < Steffanx> :P
2017-12-16T19:29:20 < jadew> I'd have no problem with keeping equipment on the shelf until I need it, but it's super heavy, so that's not an option either
2017-12-16T19:42:47 < englishman> hmm one of my aunts died
2017-12-16T19:42:56 < englishman> got the flu, was vomiting and her aorta burst
2017-12-16T19:42:58 < englishman> dont smoke, kids
2017-12-16T19:43:38 < jadew> sorry for your loss
2017-12-16T19:44:00 < jadew> coffee has similar effects
2017-12-16T19:44:25 < jadew> it decreases the elasticity of the blood vessels
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2017-12-16T20:56:26 < Laurenceb_> my aunt died a few months ago
2017-12-16T20:56:33 < Laurenceb_> but she lives forever on youporn
2017-12-16T20:59:33 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ and his weird fantasies.
2017-12-16T21:00:10 < BrainDamage> did uk banned incest porn? because you sound more frustrated than usual
2017-12-16T21:00:19 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-12-16T21:00:27 < Laurenceb_> actually we dont know what they banned
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2017-12-16T21:02:19 < Steffanx> When will you go road rage out of frustration Laurenceb_?
2017-12-16T21:04:18 < Laurenceb_> no list of b& material is going to be produced, as that would "help criminals circumvent the law"
2017-12-16T21:06:54 < sync> how is that even legal
2017-12-16T21:12:14 < tpw_rules> jews
2017-12-16T21:12:27 < tpw_rules> i.e. me
2017-12-16T21:16:44 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-12-16T21:24:02 < jpa-> in finland we had one guy who made a script to scan what the government blocks, and then published the list, and they banned his webpage
2017-12-16T21:24:23 < jpa-> then he started fighting that in court and i guess things are not going too well for him now
2017-12-16T21:25:47 < jpa-> nowadays no-one cares about child porn in finland though, anti-migration hatespeech is the new rage
2017-12-16T21:28:52 < Steffanx> They actively block stuff in finland jpa-?
2017-12-16T21:29:35 < jpa-> well.. they used to
2017-12-16T21:29:50 < Steffanx> They do in dutchland too, but atm that is just the entire original The Pirate Bay website.
2017-12-16T21:30:03 < jpa-> government makes a secret list of stuff to block, and ISPs can voluntarily apply it, but initially government threatened "if you won't, we'll make it mandatory"
2017-12-16T21:30:10 < jpa-> nowadays few ISPs use the list anymore
2017-12-16T21:31:27 < Steffanx> Child porn is forbidden by law.. so they have to block it, but im not sure how and if they do it. Probably mainly "dark web" stuff anyway.
2017-12-16T21:31:56 < jpa-> what, dutch government has to block everything illegal online?
2017-12-16T21:32:02 < jpa-> what do they do about Laurenceb_?
2017-12-16T21:33:20 < Steffanx> No, just TPB jpa-
2017-12-16T21:34:24 < Steffanx> Not sure how the blocking of illegal content work, might be after court order or something like that.
2017-12-16T21:34:47 < Steffanx> works
2017-12-16T22:04:43 < jadew> video of the first attempt that psycho had: https://www.libertatea.ro/sport/sportul-a-salvat-o-pe-alexandra-anne-mary-costache-prima-fata-impinsa-la-metrou-2076990
2017-12-16T22:05:40 < jadew> the first girl she tried to push on the tracks was a handball player and she managed to keep her equilibrium
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2017-12-16T22:38:20  * qyx in BrainDamage-land
2017-12-16T22:55:10 < Steffanx> how is that land today qyx?
2017-12-16T22:55:55 < BrainDamage> why would you want to get here
2017-12-16T22:58:48 < qyx> skiing
2017-12-16T22:59:24 < qyx> italians drive like crazy
2017-12-16T22:59:27 < BrainDamage> trentino or val d'aosta?
2017-12-16T23:01:20 < Steffanx> Rented a Vespa yet, qyx?
2017-12-16T23:01:34 < BrainDamage> it's too cold for that
2017-12-16T23:02:49 < qyx> BrainDamage: no, livigno
2017-12-16T23:02:59 < qyx> Steffanx: lol no
2017-12-16T23:16:14 < BrainDamage> i can see why you'd complain, the roads are nightmare to get there
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2017-12-17T01:28:34 < stvn> well
2017-12-17T01:35:31 < Laurenceb_> imagine
2017-12-17T01:35:42 < Laurenceb_> my
2017-12-17T01:36:03 < Laurenceb_> S H O C K
2017-12-17T01:36:10 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-17T01:36:57 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72KbeqN7pZ4
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2017-12-17T01:42:56 < stvn> the fuck is that
2017-12-17T01:46:59 < tpw_rules> omfg is that really him
2017-12-17T01:47:04 < tpw_rules> it's like photonicinduction
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2017-12-17T01:49:13 < stvn> https://youtu.be/V5dA92wqmME?t=1m39s
2017-12-17T01:49:44 < Laurenceb_> lol we used to watch photoninduction at wurk
2017-12-17T01:49:56 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-17T01:50:04 < stvn> he deleted his best video
2017-12-17T01:50:13 < tpw_rules> the one where he took down the power grid
2017-12-17T01:50:14 < tpw_rules> ?
2017-12-17T01:50:25 < stvn> the one where he spat on the camera
2017-12-17T01:50:32 < stvn> and went off his dial
2017-12-17T01:50:39 < Laurenceb_> ow many arrrmmmppsss?
2017-12-17T01:50:41 < stvn> i think people were flagging his vids lul
2017-12-17T01:51:24 < stvn> also he thinks his power supply puts out "500 keV"
2017-12-17T01:51:32 < stvn> (:
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2017-12-17T01:53:28 < dongs> stvn do you even check your mail
2017-12-17T01:53:38 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-17T01:53:41 < dongs> lolk
2017-12-17T01:53:51  * Laurenceb_ blocked his boss on email
2017-12-17T01:53:53 < stvn> if you're talking about a business email i left the company
2017-12-17T01:53:56 < Laurenceb_> feelsgoodman
2017-12-17T01:54:09 < dongs> ragequit?
2017-12-17T01:54:19 < stvn> got sick of the other spanner spending money like it was going out of fashion
2017-12-17T01:54:23 < stvn> nuh no ragequit
2017-12-17T01:54:37 < dongs> so now youre a solo pumper?
2017-12-17T01:54:47 < Laurenceb_> stvn is zano confirmed
2017-12-17T01:54:59 < stvn> you could say that
2017-12-17T01:55:08 < dongs> well you missed all my pix then
2017-12-17T01:55:09 < stvn> stvn at dr dot com
2017-12-17T01:55:12 < stvn> damn
2017-12-17T01:55:14 < dongs> lots of pumping was involved
2017-12-17T01:55:17 < Laurenceb_> dick pix amirite?
2017-12-17T01:55:25 < stvn> lel
2017-12-17T01:55:34 < Laurenceb_> I went on omegle earlier
2017-12-17T01:55:46 < Laurenceb_> some black guy was jerking 2 me
2017-12-17T01:55:58 < Laurenceb_> then some nasty slut riding a dildo came on
2017-12-17T01:56:07 < stvn> wasn't exactly interested in wasting years to get nowhere so I went my way onto better things
2017-12-17T01:56:17 < Laurenceb_> and started swearing at me and telling me to clean my room
2017-12-17T01:56:25 < Laurenceb_> so i turned it off
2017-12-17T01:56:50 < stvn> nice one Laurenceb_
2017-12-17T01:56:59 < stvn> better than nothing right?
2017-12-17T01:58:38 < Laurenceb_> omegle is famous on the chans
2017-12-17T01:58:48 < Laurenceb_> I wanted to see what the fuss was
2017-12-17T01:59:10 < stvn> ah yes
2017-12-17T01:59:24 < stvn> i believe you saw all you needed to see then
2017-12-17T02:03:16 < stvn> is englishman alive?
2017-12-17T02:03:57 < stvn> i hope the picknplace rig didn't become self aware
2017-12-17T02:04:24 < englishman> 🦃
2017-12-17T02:04:30 < stvn> greetings
2017-12-17T02:05:33 < stvn> lol -> [11:05] <Mangy_Dog> i have a ryzen 7
2017-12-17T02:10:48 < dongs> lol
2017-12-17T02:10:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN1IwlbussE
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2017-12-17T02:49:45 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-eat-mum-christmas-day-11706456
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2017-12-17T02:56:06 < stvn> good idea
2017-12-17T03:02:39 < stvn> theepot
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2017-12-17T04:57:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.facebook.com/rahmenprogramme/photos/a.1832689663728174.1073741828.1832685220395285/1871122596551547/?theater&type=3&utm_campaign=crowdfire&utm_content=crowdfire&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#863484637351489541-tw#1512457995394
2017-12-17T04:57:18 < Laurenceb_> oh shit
2017-12-17T04:57:40 < Laurenceb_> thats some pretty sweet trollin
2017-12-17T05:24:06 < Cracki> yay Fackelmarsch
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2017-12-17T07:02:29 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/ptcg9p0f4b401.jpg
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2017-12-17T07:16:54 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/eRLPRd0
2017-12-17T07:29:34 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/7k5xe1/ill_just_elbow_drop_this_guy_through_a_table_from/
2017-12-17T07:35:51 < Cracki> k fagets, where does a student get free altium?
2017-12-17T07:53:38 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/Xq6naIV.jpg
2017-12-17T08:11:45 < aandrew> lol
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2017-12-17T09:12:47 < jadew``> Stupid windows. I shut it down with install updates and turn off. Next mornig it takes an hour to boot up because "working on updates".
2017-12-17T09:14:46 < jadew``> I hope it's an hour cuz it's been on for half an hour and it's at 25%
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2017-12-17T12:00:31 < Steffanx> Cracki: pay $100 and youll get your student license.
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2017-12-17T15:11:05 < Steffanx> Happy Day, ReadErr/ReadError
2017-12-17T15:11:39 < ReadErr> what happened
2017-12-17T15:17:48 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/NZOO
2017-12-17T15:17:55 < Steffanx> You are the only nigger i know of.
2017-12-17T15:18:15 < Steffanx> and the ASCII art looked familiar
2017-12-17T15:21:21 < Steffanx> you're welcome, ReadErr
2017-12-17T15:21:34 < ReadErr> noloading
2017-12-17T15:21:49 < Steffanx> wut
2017-12-17T15:21:58 < ReadErr> imgur, doesnt load
2017-12-17T15:22:34 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/f3mf3 that does. or should
2017-12-17T15:22:54 < ReadErr> ahh yes, thats 'torpedo'
2017-12-17T15:23:01 < ReadErr> aka the Tor pedophile
2017-12-17T15:23:04 < ReadErr> aka lil marco
2017-12-17T15:23:17 < Steffanx> lol, you even know -_-
2017-12-17T15:23:24 < ReadErr> he does that everywhere
2017-12-17T15:23:32 < ReadErr> then i ddos his ircd for weeks
2017-12-17T15:23:52 < ReadErr> not ddos
2017-12-17T15:23:56 < Steffanx> So it's not even a happy day for you?
2017-12-17T15:23:59 < ReadErr> but uh, make many clients
2017-12-17T15:24:10 < ReadErr> he only has 3 people max
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2017-12-17T15:59:21 < jadew> I take it the spirit of the holidays has finally hit freenode as well, I see lots of good wishes being passed around
2017-12-17T15:59:42 < BrainDamage> death wishes?
2017-12-17T16:01:02 < jadew> wishes for a happy day
2017-12-17T16:02:17 < jadew> I feel they're a bit exclusive tho, might have originated in some diversity office
2017-12-17T16:38:49 < Steffanx> Happy day to you too, jadew
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2017-12-17T17:03:57 < englishman> happy black people day Tectu
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2017-12-17T17:12:17 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-12-17T17:12:32 < Steffanx> Dont bully my favourite swisser, englishman
2017-12-17T17:12:44 < Steffanx> I know where your house lives.
2017-12-17T17:13:57 < BrainDamage> is he like the smurfs? to have a house that's alive
2017-12-17T17:15:01 < englishman> is it really the black person parade today Steffanx?
2017-12-17T17:15:26 < Steffanx> englishman: No clue, ReadErr/ReadError might know more about it.
2017-12-17T17:15:30 < englishman> isn't it a little cold? All the watermelons have been eaten already. 🍉
2017-12-17T17:16:20 < Steffanx> BrainDamage: no clue, it's some stupid sentence you hear in dutchland sometimes. And for some reason often with some afro-accent.
2017-12-17T17:17:24 < BrainDamage> here smug teens when threatening others say 'I know where you live' not where your house lives
2017-12-17T17:17:47 < Steffanx> Together with: I know where your bed sleeps.
2017-12-17T17:17:52 < englishman> I know where you chat
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2017-12-17T17:18:34 < Steffanx> I know where your irc chats. ;)
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2017-12-17T17:23:56 < Steffanx> Sadly Laurenceb_ knows it too
2017-12-17T17:24:15 < Laurenceb_> wut?
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2017-12-17T17:31:08 < Laurenceb_> about this? https://antisemitism.uk/25-far-left-thugs-reportedly-storm-nightclub-and-order-jews-and-wealthy-people-and-tory-rothschild-scum-to-be-silent-for-grenfell/
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2017-12-17T17:32:47 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/TTAbKbd
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2017-12-17T18:49:15 < Laurenceb_> woah
2017-12-17T18:49:17 < Laurenceb_> https://hackaday.com/2017/12/17/googles-aiy-vision-kit-augments-pi-with-vision-processor/
2017-12-17T18:49:19 < Laurenceb_> I liek dis
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2017-12-17T18:57:33 < Laurenceb_> woah 1 teraflop
2017-12-17T19:01:09 < tpw_rules> lol movidius
2017-12-17T19:01:25 < Laurenceb_> it looks pretty epin tbh
2017-12-17T19:01:45 < Laurenceb_> embedded CNN accelerator is very cool idea
2017-12-17T19:02:17 < Laurenceb_> wew that video
2017-12-17T19:02:21 < Laurenceb_> ok maybe not so cool
2017-12-17T19:02:25 < Laurenceb_> buzzword bingo
2017-12-17T19:04:03 < BrainDamage> wait, how the fuck can it be that cheap
2017-12-17T19:04:19 < BrainDamage> a tegra also does a teraflop, but it's a magnitude higher in price
2017-12-17T19:07:03 < Laurenceb_> prob loss leader
2017-12-17T19:07:14 < Laurenceb_> but crazy cheap and low power
2017-12-17T19:11:46 < Laurenceb_> my cat genocide system could become a mobile killbot with one of those
2017-12-17T19:13:23 < BrainDamage> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5183225/Cyclist-shoots-fireworks-bikers-home-launcher.html
2017-12-17T19:13:43 < BrainDamage> i should probably say 'spotted braindamage' due to the absurd amount of coincidences, but no, it's not me
2017-12-17T19:16:44 < englishman> old
2017-12-17T19:18:22 < kakimir> hello ##laurence32
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2017-12-17T19:22:35 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: do you ride a road racing pushbike?
2017-12-17T19:23:11 < BrainDamage> no
2017-12-17T19:23:41 < BrainDamage> i ride an hardtail mountain bike with frame reinforcements
2017-12-17T19:24:49 < PaulFertser> What fork are you using?
2017-12-17T19:26:14 < BrainDamage> a suntour gas suspension one 27.5'' with locks but no remote, I'd need to check the exact model
2017-12-17T19:27:26 < BrainDamage> i kinda use and abuse it, it has 15cm travel but i do jumps with it despite the manifacturer explicitly forbidding
2017-12-17T19:27:45 < BrainDamage> one day i bet it'll just break on me
2017-12-17T19:28:18 < PaulFertser> Hehe
2017-12-17T19:28:40 < PaulFertser> Does work properly for small roots etc? Like typical MTB use?
2017-12-17T19:29:39 < BrainDamage> yes, from empirical testing cross country riding works pretty smooth on the fork, i start to notice only when the rocks exceed ~5cm
2017-12-17T19:30:09 < BrainDamage> there's the gas bleed valves to control the recoil
2017-12-17T19:30:17 < BrainDamage> and the preload
2017-12-17T19:32:31 < PaulFertser> R2COM: in year 2016 median personal income in russia was $4668, in the US $31100.
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2017-12-17T19:33:29 < PaulFertser> R2COM: per year of course.
2017-12-17T19:34:46 < PaulFertser> R2COM: calculating median is not averaging
2017-12-17T19:36:32 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: recoil or rebound? I thought you only adjust the rigidity of an air spring (and the negative air spring if you have one). And probably progression.
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2017-12-17T19:37:11 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: rebound sorry, i mistranslated the italian term
2017-12-17T19:37:30 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: should by a hydraulic valve that adjusts it afaict.
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2017-12-17T19:37:56 < BrainDamage> yup, it controls the chamber bleed flow
2017-12-17T19:37:57 < PaulFertser> Does it come with some "high speed compression" mechanism?
2017-12-17T19:38:11 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I do not think I've heard of him, no.
2017-12-17T19:38:13 < BrainDamage> not that i know of, it's not particularry high end
2017-12-17T19:39:24 < BrainDamage> i figured it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend a crapload of money on a front fork on an hardtail
2017-12-17T19:39:54 < BrainDamage> i got decent hydraulic disk brakes tought, from tektro
2017-12-17T19:43:34 < PaulFertser> R2COM: what if I only watch cartoons all day long and do not talk to any russians, do I still need the debunking injection?
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2017-12-17T19:46:36 < PaulFertser> R2COM: are you aware of all those debunking sources because you're a vatnik too?
2017-12-17T19:49:19 < PaulFertser> I mean why the hell do you care at all? It's not like russia can affect life in the usa anyhow these days.
2017-12-17T19:51:56 < PaulFertser> R2COM: life in russia: https://fixik-papus.livejournal.com/46479.html
2017-12-17T20:03:03 < Laurenceb_> sounds liek my jerb
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2017-12-17T20:20:17 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/TXZO8GR
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2017-12-17T20:33:36 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/zb0yutwl7i401.jpg
2017-12-17T20:34:38 < Steffanx> try topic upgrdman.. "Not a link dump"
2017-12-17T20:34:48 < upgrdman> k
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2017-12-17T22:12:46 < kakimir> sweet I just dumped my nickserv message to ircnet to some unknown dude having nick nameserv
2017-12-17T22:13:21 < kakimir> logged in via tor
2017-12-17T22:13:59 < kakimir> what are the implications?
2017-12-17T22:14:00 < upgrdman> good job kak
2017-12-17T22:18:58 < BrainDamage> change the pw as soon as possible and you'll be ok
2017-12-17T22:19:32 < kakimir> did it
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2017-12-17T22:28:41 < kakimir> why is someone bothering for ircs?
2017-12-17T22:32:11 < kakimir> they probs wish someone to use same password for other services
2017-12-17T23:02:25 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/942412373943640065
2017-12-17T23:08:55 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot#/media/File:Utah_teapot_simple_2.png
2017-12-17T23:20:46 < Steffanx> Happy millenials day, englishman
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2017-12-17T23:38:59 < kakimir> englishman: movie for the night?
2017-12-17T23:41:17 < zyp> Steffanx, met some of your people yesterday
2017-12-17T23:42:05 < zyp> went to a christmas market, a bunch of dutch people were running a booth selling cheese and stroopwafels
2017-12-17T23:44:20 < Fleck> ;p
2017-12-17T23:55:20 < Cracki> saw some merkelsteine, the concrete legos?
2017-12-17T23:57:53 < kakimir> englishman: movie of the night?
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2017-12-18T00:33:02 < Steffanx> ReadErr / ReadError cant you tell your friend to stop it?
2017-12-18T00:33:24 < Steffanx> Hah. Real fresh waffles zyp ?
2017-12-18T00:33:59 < ReadErr> hardly a friend
2017-12-18T00:34:37 < ReadErr> englishman knows
2017-12-18T00:34:46 < ReadErr> hes a enemy
2017-12-18T00:35:29 < Steffanx> Lol an enemy -_-
2017-12-18T00:35:41 < Steffanx> Efnet vs that guy?
2017-12-18T00:41:04 < englishman> kakimir: Our Man In Havana
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2017-12-18T00:51:09 < kakimir> englishman: maybe not
2017-12-18T00:54:44 < englishman> why, it's really funny
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2017-12-18T01:52:57 < Laurenceb_> https://thegoldwater.com/news/13979-FCC-s-Front-Man-Ajit-Pai-Mocks-Americans-In-Government-Propaganda-Video
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2017-12-18T03:05:14 < englishman> 6 minutes flashing time per edison
2017-12-18T03:07:19 < sync> nice
2017-12-18T03:07:29 < sync> how many do you have to flashz0r?
2017-12-18T03:23:42 < kakimir> englishman: wild wild west
2017-12-18T03:23:49 < kakimir> time to see it again
2017-12-18T03:24:15 < kakimir> steam powered giant mechanical spider
2017-12-18T03:27:46 < kakimir> nah
2017-12-18T03:47:53 < kakimir> englishman: there has been a murder in canadistan
2017-12-18T03:48:01 < kakimir> I read about it in news
2017-12-18T03:48:16 < aandrew> not just any murder
2017-12-18T03:48:19 < kakimir> some pharma billionare
2017-12-18T03:48:24 < aandrew> one of the wealthiest canadians and his wife
2017-12-18T03:48:33 < aandrew> initially suspected murder-suicide, now looks like homicide
2017-12-18T03:51:11 < kakimir> are you canadistanian aandrew ?
2017-12-18T04:02:25 < englishman> surely you're not talking about the small town mayor who shot himself in the face while checking rabbit traps then walked out of the forest and drove a skidoo the hospital then died
2017-12-18T04:03:06 < englishman> kakimir: worse, he's english-canadian
2017-12-18T04:08:58 < kakimir> one dude I knew was shot with rifle to chest then skiied home and called an ambulance
2017-12-18T04:09:20 < kakimir> or "chest" maybe somewhere above lung
2017-12-18T04:09:43 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/kqyUwaV.jpg
2017-12-18T04:09:54 < kakimir> he had typical fur hat when he was skiing
2017-12-18T04:10:09 < englishman> my varusteleka order arrived
2017-12-18T04:11:11 < kakimir> what is your cat doing?
2017-12-18T04:11:50 < kakimir> just derping?
2017-12-18T04:15:48 < englishman> keeping its nose warm I guess
2017-12-18T04:20:10 < kakimir> pretty confident to not see around him/her
2017-12-18T04:23:22 < kakimir> only one of our cats do that and only when it's really cold
2017-12-18T04:23:36 < kakimir> the confident one that doesn't give af
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2017-12-18T04:59:00 < Laurenceb_> lul irc trollz
2017-12-18T04:59:14 < Laurenceb_> daveake> Got me out of bed :/
2017-12-18T04:59:14 < Laurenceb_> <daveake> And I'm trying to get over jet lag :(
2017-12-18T04:59:15 < Laurenceb_> <nigelvh> Oh, you've got IRC alerts? Fuuuuuun
2017-12-18T05:33:39 < aandrew> I've heard of it
2017-12-18T05:33:41 < aandrew> never used it
2017-12-18T05:36:17 < Laurenceb_> I used it
2017-12-18T05:36:23 < Laurenceb_> for 5 seconds, then I raged
2017-12-18T05:42:28 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-12-18T05:42:34 < Laurenceb_> my CFD is working
2017-12-18T05:43:08 < Laurenceb_> >know guy who is trying to make fanless greenhouse lighting
2017-12-18T05:43:16 < Laurenceb_> >for 3 fucking years and failing
2017-12-18T05:43:26 < Laurenceb_> >fire up CFD and its trivial
2017-12-18T05:43:37 < Laurenceb_> so much fail
2017-12-18T05:44:49 < Laurenceb_> needs about 3kg of alu and 1kg copper per lamp tho
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2017-12-18T09:25:00 < ReadErr> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118147
2017-12-18T09:25:08 < ReadErr> super cheap
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2017-12-18T09:34:57 < stvn> hahahahaha
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2017-12-18T09:45:04 < stvn> Steffanx: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah-theepot
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2017-12-18T10:07:01 < Cracki_> Shall I compare thee...
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2017-12-18T11:54:13 < ReadErr> whats wrong with stvn
2017-12-18T12:03:45 < Steffanx> The usual.. austism. ReadErr
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2017-12-18T12:31:59 < ReadErr> Steffanx: see that HBA deal?
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2017-12-18T12:47:14 < Steffanx> What ReadErr ? Thats ano
2017-12-18T12:47:59 < ReadErr> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118147
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2017-12-18T13:37:52 < karlp> Laurenceb: some would say that 3kg of alu and 1kg of copper is not "trivial" :)
2017-12-18T13:37:57 < karlp> how big a light are you looking at?
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2017-12-18T14:35:29 < Steffanx> Isnt newegg kinda usa only ReadErr ?
2017-12-18T14:36:38 < karlp> very
2017-12-18T14:36:51 < karlp> yay, clion going to start decoupling projects from cmake
2017-12-18T14:48:28 < ReadErr> Steffanx: hmm i thought they did elsehwere
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2017-12-18T15:00:42 < aandrew> newegg has a great .ca store
2017-12-18T15:16:24 < Steffanx> Hello welcome superbia / superbia1
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2017-12-18T15:46:58 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/CevRRXY.jpg
2017-12-18T15:49:46 < BrainDamage> the tour eiffel ofc is also always visible from any shot and angle in paris, even in the underground
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2017-12-18T15:53:42 < kakimir> dum bidz
2017-12-18T15:55:58 < kakimir> I need vacuum soldering station
2017-12-18T15:56:04 < kakimir> anyone recommd one for me?
2017-12-18T15:56:43 < jadew> you mean desoldering station?
2017-12-18T15:57:48 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-18T15:58:02 < jadew> https://www.tme.eu/en/details/sp-1010dr/desoldering-stations/solder-peak/
2017-12-18T15:58:04 < jadew> I have that one
2017-12-18T15:58:19 < jadew> it's ok, but needs constant maintenance
2017-12-18T15:58:47 < kakimir> maintenance?
2017-12-18T15:59:00 < jadew> yeah, if you don't clean the pipe after each use, it gets clogged
2017-12-18T15:59:59 < jadew> you can unclog it by heating it up to about 400 C for a bit and then using the little solder pokers it comes with
2017-12-18T16:00:20 < jadew> of course, if you make a habbit in using them every time you use it, before turning it off, then you're fine
2017-12-18T16:00:36 < Thorn> what are these made of? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10PCS-Blank-PCB-Breadboard-Universal-DIY-Phototype-Board-Single-Side-Circuit-Breadboards/32828349270.html
2017-12-18T16:00:39 < jadew> I don't know if other desoldering stations are any better
2017-12-18T16:01:05 < jadew> Thorn, cheapest FR4?
2017-12-18T16:01:22 < Thorn> it doesn't look (or smell) like fiberglass
2017-12-18T16:01:43 < kakimir> jadew: but as long as it's hot I can operate it with ease?
2017-12-18T16:01:51 < jadew> kakimir, yeah
2017-12-18T16:01:59 < jadew> it's a great tool for repairs
2017-12-18T16:02:18 < jadew> there are several models (and brands) that look exactly the same
2017-12-18T16:02:23 < jadew> they might all be the same thing
2017-12-18T16:03:07 < Thorn> it's likely FR2
2017-12-18T16:04:39 < karlp> jadew: looks like paris, texas maybe.
2017-12-18T16:06:09 < BrainDamage> Thorn: either FR2 or phenolic pcb
2017-12-18T16:06:55 < kakimir> okay any other recommds?
2017-12-18T16:07:06 < kakimir> jadew: also is TME the place to buy?
2017-12-18T16:07:12 < BrainDamage> don't stick your dick in the tool
2017-12-18T16:07:45 < jadew> kakimir, I don't know, I got mine several years ago, so you may be able to get a better deal
2017-12-18T16:07:51 < jadew> (from somewhere else)
2017-12-18T16:13:10 < Thorn> ok so the joke about how China deals with its toxic waste is not merely a joke
2017-12-18T16:13:55 < jadew> what's the joke?
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2017-12-18T16:15:50 < Thorn> how do the Chinese dispose of their toxic waste? - they make cheap stuff out of it and sell it abroad
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2017-12-18T16:19:12 < jadew> haha
2017-12-18T16:26:22 < jadew> did a bit of googling on that topic and landed in India again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHCaIvPN2rY
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2017-12-18T16:43:36 < Ultrasauce> Thorn: definitely fr2, super cheap shit
2017-12-18T16:43:49 < Ultrasauce> they generally have not awesome drilling & plating too
2017-12-18T16:45:20 < englishman> aandrew: newegg's .ca store USED to be awesome
2017-12-18T16:45:34 < englishman> until they let every wop chink and harry sell on it like amazon 5 years ago
2017-12-18T16:45:43 < englishman> now it's hard to actually find shit that newegg sells. which is close to nothing
2017-12-18T16:46:03 < englishman> like that HBA for example
2017-12-18T16:46:17 < englishman> probably ships from china
2017-12-18T16:46:52 < englishman> n e way ReadErr https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118147
2017-12-18T16:46:59 < englishman> lik dif
2017-12-18T16:47:03 < englishman> lil diff
2017-12-18T16:54:37 < ReadErr> lol the .ca CSS dont load
2017-12-18T16:54:39 < ReadErr> for me
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2017-12-18T17:07:53 < englishman> ReadErr is cheap stuff like LSI etc suitable for that esxi stuff
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2017-12-18T17:20:44 < aandrew> englishman: I usually say "limit to newegg.ca" to get rid of that
2017-12-18T17:24:54 < jadew> NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/embed/NcYEpHg6_5Y?start=3376&end=3412
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2017-12-18T17:30:29 < Laurenceb> https://files.catbox.moe/9g3w5b.jpg
2017-12-18T17:31:40 < Laurenceb> https://imgtc.com/w/xpkQwXS
2017-12-18T17:31:43 < jadew> I never enjoyed star wars
2017-12-18T17:32:39 < Laurenceb> yeah its like for mental age of 4
2017-12-18T17:33:04 < Laurenceb> im in jail 4 lief https://imgoat.com/uploads/3f390d88e4/67520.jpg
2017-12-18T17:34:39 < BrainDamage> ah it's shitpost time
2017-12-18T17:34:40 < BrainDamage> http://emojidick.com/
2017-12-18T17:35:34 < Steffanx> Not a link Dump.
2017-12-18T17:36:03 < jadew> love the way that page looks
2017-12-18T17:36:46 < ReadErr> englishman: that card is great for anything ya
2017-12-18T17:37:36 < tpw_rules> BrainDamage: i am so disappointed
2017-12-18T17:37:38 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: ceci n'est pas une pipe
2017-12-18T17:38:01 < tpw_rules> that it's not penises
2017-12-18T17:38:06 < englishman> lol laurent
2017-12-18T17:38:50 < Steffanx> Je ne parle pas français, BrainDamage
2017-12-18T17:39:03 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
2017-12-18T17:39:06 < Laurenceb> lul thats about the limit of my french too
2017-12-18T17:39:17 < Laurenceb> I got B in French at school.. somehow
2017-12-18T17:39:48 < tpw_rules> he got the 🅱️
2017-12-18T17:39:58 < BrainDamage> 🅱️&
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2017-12-18T18:42:28 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3f390d88e4/67556.png
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2017-12-18T20:27:11 < kakimir> just emailed rent contract
2017-12-18T20:28:20 < kakimir> had my first electricity contract
2017-12-18T20:28:28 < kakimir> simples
2017-12-18T20:28:41 < kakimir> just produce paper and forward it
2017-12-18T20:30:27 < kakimir> now to get some benefits and whatnot before I get first paycheck
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2017-12-18T20:32:38 < kakimir> first time I can apply for dole moneys instead of minimal welfare
2017-12-18T20:45:40 < Laurenceb> kakimir is finnish devvo
2017-12-18T20:45:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3-f8usdWg
2017-12-18T20:46:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEaHhxIlDg4
2017-12-18T20:47:19 < kakimir> one fellow at my class was totally like him in
2017-12-18T20:47:27 < kakimir> not just looked like him
2017-12-18T20:47:56 < kakimir> sounded like him, behaived like him, dole money, beer, cursing like hell
2017-12-18T20:48:00 < Laurenceb> > This man makes me proud to be British xD
2017-12-18T20:48:03 < Laurenceb> comments deliver
2017-12-18T20:49:33 < kakimir> he was no doubt a redcoat descendant
2017-12-18T20:52:55 < Laurenceb> lul 6:00
2017-12-18T20:56:08 < Thorn> http://www.nme.com/news/music/darius-nearly-died-drinking-water-river-thames-2177379
2017-12-18T20:56:36 < Laurenceb> top kek
2017-12-18T20:56:42 < Laurenceb> kickstarter amirite?
2017-12-18T20:56:55 < Laurenceb> > next to a sewage outlet
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2017-12-18T21:01:16 < kakimir> drinking shit literally
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2017-12-18T21:06:52 < Steffanx> In what civilized  country the sewage from toilets still goes to a river ( unfiltered )?
2017-12-18T21:07:16 < kakimir> uk
2017-12-18T21:07:30 < Steffanx> civilized i said :P
2017-12-18T21:07:40 < kakimir> oh
2017-12-18T21:07:46 < kakimir> none
2017-12-18T21:09:40 < jpa-> filtered and filtered
2017-12-18T21:10:40 < BrainDamage> does uk still have that insane shit about roof uncovered heaters that require separate heated water supply taps>
2017-12-18T21:12:40 < Laurenceb>  roof uncovered heaters
2017-12-18T21:12:43 < Laurenceb> saywut?
2017-12-18T21:12:53 < BrainDamage> hot water tanks, gravity fed
2017-12-18T21:12:58 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-12-18T21:13:05 < Steffanx> lol
2017-12-18T21:13:33 < Laurenceb> http://ortizheatingac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/boiler-and-radiator-heating-systems.gif
2017-12-18T21:13:39 < kakimir> I get your point with uncivilized Steffanx
2017-12-18T21:15:03 < kakimir> they don't have seperate lines for heating?
2017-12-18T21:15:04 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: they are often uncoevered and/or with mimumum sanitizing procedures, which means the content sits indle in the 'danger zone' so some people decided that there should be no mixup before  the tap about the taps for sanitization pourposes
2017-12-18T21:15:27 < kakimir> sure there should not be mixing
2017-12-18T21:15:42 < BrainDamage> they allow mixing, just not before the tap
2017-12-18T21:15:49 < BrainDamage> in the basin is ok, not before
2017-12-18T21:15:51 < Laurenceb> oh right
2017-12-18T21:16:05 < Laurenceb> yeah we are taught never to drink domestic hot water
2017-12-18T21:18:13 < Laurenceb> people often get nasty diseases that way
2017-12-18T21:19:01 < Steffanx> What tap are you refering too BrainDamage? Any tap in that image?
2017-12-18T21:19:02 < BrainDamage> here the policy is rather different, you either have instant gas heaters, which flash heat the water as it flows by, or electric heaters with storage tanks wich idle past sterilization point
2017-12-18T21:19:29 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: a lot of uk houses don't have tap mixers for hot & cold water, they literally have sep taps
2017-12-18T21:19:43 < BrainDamage> to prevent cross contamination of the tap
2017-12-18T21:20:26 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-12-18T21:21:07 < Laurenceb> but never than ~20year old is usually https://www.practicaldiy.com/plumbing/condensing-boilers/combi.gif
2017-12-18T21:21:11 < Laurenceb> *newer
2017-12-18T21:21:31 < tpw_rules> lel efficiency
2017-12-18T21:21:32 < Steffanx> oh, like that. Hah. lol.
2017-12-18T21:21:53 < Laurenceb> my heating system has a guarantee sticker on it
2017-12-18T21:22:09 < Laurenceb> 8 year guarantee expires 1959
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2017-12-18T21:22:54 < tpw_rules> my boiler runs on coal
2017-12-18T21:23:05 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/zOEiXIM.jpg
2017-12-18T21:23:18 < Laurenceb> heh coal boiler is oldschool even by uk standards
2017-12-18T21:23:29 < tpw_rules> it was converted to natural gas sometime in the 1930s tho
2017-12-18T21:23:31 < BrainDamage> replace with illegal with illegal/immoral and it's the story of my life
2017-12-18T21:23:32 < Laurenceb> lol kakimir
2017-12-18T21:23:36 < tpw_rules> kakimir: i assume he means the farm animals?
2017-12-18T21:23:51 < Laurenceb> kek
2017-12-18T21:24:01 < Steffanx> tpw_rules lives in newyork city is some terrible old building?
2017-12-18T21:24:10 < Steffanx> *in
2017-12-18T21:24:13 < tpw_rules> no, in memphis
2017-12-18T21:24:38 < tpw_rules> i think the boiler is 1989
2017-12-18T21:24:39 < tpw_rules> fuck
2017-12-18T21:24:41 < tpw_rules> 1898
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2017-12-18T21:24:50 < Laurenceb> wew
2017-12-18T21:25:02 < BrainDamage> as long as it's either a flash boiler or the avg temp is sufficiently high there's no risk
2017-12-18T21:25:12 < BrainDamage> you could even burn whale oil for what it matters
2017-12-18T21:29:41 < englishman> hmm, i have to solder 7518 pth pads by the end of today
2017-12-18T21:30:00 < Steffanx> Better get to it then
2017-12-18T21:30:11 < englishman> no im going to eat some miso soup
2017-12-18T21:30:13 < Steffanx> Maybe you can hire Ultrasauce. He has nothing better to do afaik.
2017-12-18T21:30:22 < englishman> typical italian
2017-12-18T21:30:31 < BrainDamage> he's canadian
2017-12-18T21:31:52 < Steffanx> Is that what he told you?
2017-12-18T21:32:09 < Ultrasauce> oof
2017-12-18T21:32:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/18/kent_woman_to_season_xmas_dinner_with_mothers_ashes/
2017-12-18T21:32:17 < Laurenceb> typical britbong
2017-12-18T21:32:20 < BrainDamage> considering I even know his father, yes
2017-12-18T21:32:35 < Laurenceb> >Before I knew what I was doing they were in my mouth and the chalky, salty taste was comforting.
2017-12-18T21:33:08 < Steffanx> Stop browing the web and get your rockoon done, Laurenceb
2017-12-18T21:33:11 < Steffanx> or horse telemetry
2017-12-18T21:33:44 < Steffanx> or study for drivers license theory exam
2017-12-18T21:33:59 < BrainDamage> it still amazes me you can claim difficulty
2017-12-18T21:34:13 < Ultrasauce> i do have a full-time job thank you very much, it just hasn't happened to pay me for two years
2017-12-18T21:34:54 < Steffanx> Must me full time irc languagist, Ultrasauce
2017-12-18T21:34:56 < Steffanx> *be
2017-12-18T21:35:18 < Ultrasauce> that is a lucrative field, but I could never claim to be a professional
2017-12-18T21:35:36 < BrainDamage> isn't gaining a profit literally one of the definitions of professional?
2017-12-18T21:36:30 < englishman> oh right i mixed up ultradamage and brainsauce
2017-12-18T21:37:11 < BrainDamage> you might want to get a better stereotype for cheap labour
2017-12-18T21:37:15 < Steffanx> Where is Gargantua*?
2017-12-18T21:37:28 < englishman> killed by stompy hexrobot
2017-12-18T21:37:28 < BrainDamage> italians don't emigrate as much since 30-40 years
2017-12-18T21:37:40 < Ultrasauce> [15:37:33] * [Whois] Ultrasauce is authed as GargantuaSauce
2017-12-18T21:38:05 < Steffanx> :P
2017-12-18T21:38:11 < BrainDamage> i guess the government like china decided to keep people in
2017-12-18T21:39:08 < BrainDamage> we just happen to export only the skilled people
2017-12-18T21:39:25 < BrainDamage> which should tell you why i didn't fled yet
2017-12-18T21:40:34 < Ultrasauce> but you're clearly skilled in the art of self deprecation
2017-12-18T21:41:19 < BrainDamage> which is neither a lucractive business or a valued one in general
2017-12-18T21:41:34 < Steffanx> Reminds me.. can we laugh at your patent yet, BrainDamage?
2017-12-18T21:41:38 < Steffanx> *about your
2017-12-18T21:41:46 < Ultrasauce> well yeah that would kind of defeat the purpose now wouldn't it
2017-12-18T21:44:42 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: no
2017-12-18T21:45:00 < BrainDamage> and since it has to go with ECG, I'll literally never post here
2017-12-18T21:45:00 < Steffanx> damnit.
2017-12-18T21:45:15 < BrainDamage> I'd never stop hearing Laurenceb how he'd be able to do better
2017-12-18T21:45:43 < Steffanx> Yeah, he'll probably show you some read mathlab skillz :P
2017-12-18T21:46:16 < BrainDamage> my mock implementation is writte in python, so i can trigger few people here ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯
2017-12-18T21:46:26 < Thorn> his anal electrode is the real secret sauce
2017-12-18T21:46:35 < kakimir> I hate python
2017-12-18T21:46:47 < englishman> $5500 in micro sd cards delivered. for edisons
2017-12-18T21:46:52 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2017-12-18T21:46:58 < BrainDamage> englishman: aren't they EOL ?
2017-12-18T21:47:07 < englishman> they are bEOL
2017-12-18T21:47:11 < englishman> beyond end of life
2017-12-18T21:47:19 < englishman> last buy was september
2017-12-18T21:48:29 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/Bcwxk4ghLsI/
2017-12-18T21:48:45 < kakimir> englishman: you ordered 5500 of sd cards?
2017-12-18T21:49:12 < Steffanx> DidArrowDeliverYet.com?
2017-12-18T21:49:19 < kakimir> for edisons worth of what? 50k?
2017-12-18T21:49:26 < kakimir> what are you pumpin?
2017-12-18T21:50:10 < englishman> lol good kitty
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2017-12-18T21:53:06 < BrainDamage> Thorn: anal electrode would have a market, you could discretely wear one for a lot of time
2017-12-18T21:53:50 < BrainDamage> you just have to target the kink market rather than common one
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2017-12-18T21:58:39 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm
2017-12-18T21:58:39 < Ultrasauce> low impedance interconnect
2017-12-18T21:59:00 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: old as balls
2017-12-18T21:59:08 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-18T21:59:10 < BrainDamage> literally used it during my semiconductor course
2017-12-18T22:05:50 < Steffanx> Must be kiddo balls then, because afaik you are not THAT old yet.
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2017-12-18T22:18:50 < BrainDamage> I'm as old as you, zyp, etc
2017-12-18T22:18:58 < jpa-> the standard age
2017-12-18T22:22:13 < englishman> millenials
2017-12-18T22:27:22 < englishman> when tek-chu visits steffy https://i.imgur.com/z2oFLDf.jpg
2017-12-18T22:29:02 < BrainDamage> englishman: how does it feel to be surrounded by people being pourported to be crippling markets
2017-12-18T22:29:09 < englishman> who
2017-12-18T22:29:17 < BrainDamage> you are
2017-12-18T22:29:24 < englishman> i dont see anyone, im alone in my basement
2017-12-18T22:29:34 < Ultrasauce> they're in the walls
2017-12-18T22:29:57 < BrainDamage> they are also in the computer, polluting your ircs
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2017-12-18T22:32:55 < englishman> i dont feel crippled
2017-12-18T22:36:10 < Steffanx> i feel ashamed when i see all that chewing gum on the ground englishman :(
2017-12-18T22:38:52 < upgrdman> is that common?
2017-12-18T22:39:04 < upgrdman> the gum
2017-12-18T22:39:09 < upgrdman> not the Tectu bike
2017-12-18T22:40:29 < Steffanx> Kinda, upgrdman
2017-12-18T22:41:17 < upgrdman> bummer. i dont think i see that very often except at like high schools and other places filled with idiots
2017-12-18T22:41:38 < upgrdman> now that i think about it, gum isnt too popular
2017-12-18T22:41:49 < upgrdman> *with adults
2017-12-18T22:42:18 < upgrdman> someone should make gum that is swallowable/digestable.
2017-12-18T22:42:24 < upgrdman> i guess that'd be "candy"
2017-12-18T22:44:10 < englishman> http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html
2017-12-18T22:45:52 < Steffanx> back in 2014 ...
2017-12-18T22:46:06 < BrainDamage> it's ok, it's just few extra zeros nowdays
2017-12-18T22:46:28 < BrainDamage> the process doesn't change, just the likelyhood of hitting a correct nonce before others
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2017-12-19T02:28:21 < jadew> wtf... how does google know? I just watched Gladiator and when I visited youtube, in the first 4 recommendations: "Ancient Rome in 20 minutes"
2017-12-19T02:28:35 < jadew> that's completely unrelated to the stuff I watch on youtube
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2017-12-19T04:29:05 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/00805jdhxp401.jpg
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2017-12-19T05:32:12 < aandrew> lol altium 18 first impressions: https://imgur.com/KrWBKL5
2017-12-19T05:35:00 < englishman> same as the old one then
2017-12-19T05:35:54 < aandrew> attn Laurenceb https://i.imgur.com/32M7m6c.jpg
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2017-12-19T05:49:10 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/wAJ6FUt.jpg
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2017-12-19T05:55:46 < dongs> < aandrew> lol altium 18 first impressions: https://imgur.com/KrWBKL5
2017-12-19T05:55:48 < dongs> fucking lol
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2017-12-19T06:05:57 < dongs> people doing SDIO/DMA on F4, which stream do you use 3 or 6
2017-12-19T06:56:27 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/kDw0s6q.jpg
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2017-12-19T09:16:38 < invzim> tf, st bought atollic?
2017-12-19T09:20:00 < invzim> https://blog.st.com/stm32-developers-get-early-christmas-present/
2017-12-19T09:20:25 < invzim> I'm sure keil is thrilled :)
2017-12-19T09:20:45 < dongs> only cost them $7mil
2017-12-19T09:20:52 < dongs> i guess rebadging eclipse is not very profitable
2017-12-19T09:21:03 < dongs> truestudio sucks anyway, its just eclipse with buggy shti
2017-12-19T09:21:14 < dongs> invzim: arent you using SDIO with DMA on your board
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2017-12-19T09:29:39 < invzim> yes I am
2017-12-19T09:31:28 < dongs> what DMA stream
2017-12-19T09:31:40 < invzim> I think cube swapped it around
2017-12-19T09:31:52 < invzim> holdon
2017-12-19T09:32:59 < invzim> hdma_sdio_tx.Instance = DMA2_Stream3;
2017-12-19T09:32:59 < invzim> hdma_sdio_rx.Instance = DMA2_Stream6;
2017-12-19T09:33:20 < dongs> yeah. thats the default.
2017-12-19T09:33:26 < dongs> there's no reason for it to be separate tho.
2017-12-19T09:33:30 < dongs> and both on stream6 do not work.
2017-12-19T09:33:33 < invzim> I think it's a little random, on the other prjoect I think it's reversed for tx/rx
2017-12-19T09:33:33 < dongs> both on stream3 work.
2017-12-19T09:34:03 < dongs> there's no reason to separate rx/tx as its half duplex anyway.
2017-12-19T09:34:11 < dongs> and you reset DMA shit on each transaction aynway.
2017-12-19T09:34:18 < invzim> HAL stuff is broken for it tho, you need to patch some stuff to get fatfs to work
2017-12-19T09:34:56 < dongs> like what? i literally have #define stream DMA2_Stream6 vs Stream3 and it works with one but not another
2017-12-19T09:35:30 < dongs> and the associated TC/HT/ER etc flags as well 3->6
2017-12-19T09:37:07 < invzim> BSP_SD_ReadBlocks_DMA, BSP_SD_WriteBlocks_DMA, SD_read, SD_write, and MX_SDIO_SD_Init that doesn't actually init anything
2017-12-19T09:37:26 < dongs> yeah thats cube trash. its all init'd here
2017-12-19T09:38:11 < invzim> hopefully they will get their stuff together with atollic, one can hope
2017-12-19T09:38:22 < dongs> Lol
2017-12-19T09:38:23 < dongs> you wish
2017-12-19T09:38:42 < invzim> focus a bit more on dev tools than churning out dev boards for every damn SKU they have
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2017-12-19T09:40:18 < invzim> Yes I wish :)
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2017-12-19T09:56:10 < dongs> -char     cpu_le(void);
2017-12-19T09:56:10 < dongs> +char     cpu_le();
2017-12-19T09:56:10 < dongs> -char     cpu_le(void);
2017-12-19T09:56:10 < dongs> +char     cpu_le();
2017-12-19T09:56:14 < dongs> thanks faggots!
2017-12-19T09:56:21 < dongs> eaxctly the change I fucking needed in my C code
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2017-12-19T12:31:13 < tomeaton17> Great my coworker took the jlink to the testing site and left it there
2017-12-19T12:40:13 < srk> my jlink died few months ago, using f103s with black magic probe instead
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2017-12-19T12:43:55 < tomeaton17> Yeah I think I have one of those somewhere
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2017-12-19T14:06:33 < tomeaton17> Has anyone used minicom in here, how do you make it so that input buffer is only sent on return not every character
2017-12-19T14:07:34 < PaulFertser> Heh, I regularly use minicom but I never bothered, I just did 'echo -ne "whatever\r\n" > /dev/ttyUSB0' from another terminal.
2017-12-19T14:10:31 < srk> I prefer miniterm.py from pyserial
2017-12-19T14:10:40 < srk> or just plain screen
2017-12-19T14:10:49 < srk> screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200
2017-12-19T14:11:03 < srk> miniterm.py /dev/ baud
2017-12-19T14:11:12 < srk> or miniterm.py -e if you need echo
2017-12-19T14:11:46 < tomeaton17> Looks like minicom doesnt have that functionality. Shame because it has a nice interface. Miniterm.py looks interesting
2017-12-19T14:12:27 < dongs> fucking gross
2017-12-19T14:12:34 < dongs> tomeaton17: isn't it called local line editing or wahtever
2017-12-19T14:12:56 < jpa-> i use cutecom
2017-12-19T14:13:07 < srk> yeah, that one is also nice
2017-12-19T14:13:21 < srk> if you prefer GUI and want some more features
2017-12-19T14:13:38 < tomeaton17> I use cutecom on my local machine, but my odroid doesnt have a wm
2017-12-19T14:14:07 < tomeaton17> I can get local echo on minicom but I cant find that
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2017-12-19T14:43:57 < dongs> jpa-: do you have anything to do with stm32flash
2017-12-19T14:44:16 < karlp> I use picocom, just for another vote out there :)
2017-12-19T14:46:43 < dongs> i'm trying to figure out whyt the fuck flash_addr_to_page_ceil() needs to be outside stm32.c
2017-12-19T14:47:07 < dongs> because it literally does nothing that isn't stm32.c related other than the fact that it uses local copy of stm32_t struct, which can be passed as 1st argument just as well
2017-12-19T14:49:24 < dongs> anyway i moved it there in my local copy
2017-12-19T14:52:40 < jpa-> i've used it, but nothing except that
2017-12-19T14:52:44 < dongs> ok
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2017-12-19T15:19:02 < dongs> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6bsqzr stm32 retweet
2017-12-19T15:27:35 < Ultrasauce> that is more entertaining than it should be
2017-12-19T15:27:44 < dongs> agreed
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2017-12-19T15:46:33 < zyp> nice
2017-12-19T15:49:59 < jpa-> needs cascade pid to bring the rotation speed to 0 at balance :P
2017-12-19T15:57:00 < Ultrasauce> and a nonlinear model to stabilize the dingly ting
2017-12-19T15:57:23 < BrainDamage> needs helicopter function for the floppy extension
2017-12-19T16:00:43 < c10ud> how would you do addressing of a quite big network of tiny devices? e.g. > 0xff
2017-12-19T16:01:02 < c10ud> I didnt research yet but the only thing that comes to mind is either some hardware id or dipswitch
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2017-12-19T16:06:12 < Ultrasauce> hardware rng?
2017-12-19T16:07:00 < c10ud> hardware ID could be good for CAN, but RS485 I don't think so
2017-12-19T16:07:30 < karlp> how are you planning on more than 255 devices on rs485 anyway?
2017-12-19T16:07:33 < c10ud> either way you would have to read and mark each device before deploying
2017-12-19T16:07:55 < karlp> I use crc to "hashh" the onboard 96bit id down to get a serial number, and use thhat as a modbus id,
2017-12-19T16:08:04 < karlp> and yes, you do have to mark devices before deployment,
2017-12-19T16:08:08 < dongs> ^ same
2017-12-19T16:08:09 < karlp> that tneds to be desirable for other reasons anyway
2017-12-19T16:08:23 < karlp> like, "which fuckign device is 42, 44, and 96" ?
2017-12-19T16:08:24 < c10ud> yeah well two different branches of a network
2017-12-19T16:08:37 < c10ud> exactly, I was wondering if there was a lazier solution :)
2017-12-19T16:08:50 < dongs> rotary dip switches
2017-12-19T16:08:53 < karlp> lazier is giving them all device id 1, and assuming no-one will every use more
2017-12-19T16:09:03 < karlp> rotary dip switchhes are used, but they're $ and space on the case.
2017-12-19T16:09:05 < dongs> https://www.e-switch.com/system/asset/product_line/image/110/medium_RDT-series.jpg
2017-12-19T16:09:13 < dongs> shit was cheap as balls in china
2017-12-19T16:09:24 < karlp> still space on the case, and _required_ programming ahead of time.
2017-12-19T16:09:39 < karlp> I'm considering how to do auto addressing soon hoenstly,
2017-12-19T16:09:45 < englishman> uuid
2017-12-19T16:10:02 < karlp> some people wnat more than 32 devices on the bus, and thhat will start increasing the number of times they get a duplicate address.
2017-12-19T16:10:07 < c10ud> if the s/n is too short you would have collisions
2017-12-19T16:10:23 < c10ud> if the s/n is too long, extreme long polling time for a whole network scan
2017-12-19T16:10:29 < englishman> a math problem solved by ancient greeks
2017-12-19T16:10:40 < aandrew> "stabilize the dingly thing" - my doc said the same thing to me the last time I saw him
2017-12-19T16:10:42 < karlp> make it so you don't have to poll :)
2017-12-19T16:11:00 < aandrew> c10ud: what is your application"
2017-12-19T16:11:03 < karlp> one wire has some neat methods for probing the bus, wsa thinking of what I could rip of
2017-12-19T16:11:25 < c10ud> kind of a BMS, but yes I was thinking of a onewired-485 as the best option
2017-12-19T16:11:25 < aandrew> >256 devices on RS485 you will have network loading issues
2017-12-19T16:11:34 < aandrew> even the best devices present 1/256 load
2017-12-19T16:11:59 < karlp> "one wired" ?
2017-12-19T16:11:59 < c10ud> >256 is easy, just have two network branches on the master, what's "difficult" is easy addressing
2017-12-19T16:12:01 < aandrew> LIN might be a good solution here. cheap as balls and IIRC you can do failsafe so when a node dies it doesn't take out the bus
2017-12-19T16:12:28 < aandrew> c10ud: if you want to start branching that is a different topology. let's start with the application and go from there. just catching up on backlog, moment
2017-12-19T16:12:57 < c10ud> karlp, read what you write and shut the fuck up if you're not putting out the dominant bit as a client...not sure it can be done with 485 but that was the poll-less idead
2017-12-19T16:13:23 < aandrew> even lazier woudl be to have the nodes learn their addresses based on position in the network
2017-12-19T16:13:54 < Ultrasauce> oh yeah a token ring topology would make it super easy
2017-12-19T16:14:10 < c10ud> '70 here we come!
2017-12-19T16:14:13 < c10ud> :D
2017-12-19T16:14:47 < Ultrasauce> anyway i feel like you could do some pretty simple automagic address generation stochastically
2017-12-19T16:15:24 < karlp> read what you write gives you lots of options, yes.
2017-12-19T16:16:07 < karlp> Ultrasauce: whhaht do you mean?
2017-12-19T16:17:21 < dongs> just give every device an IPV6 address
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2017-12-19T16:17:23 < dongs> problem solved
2017-12-19T16:17:33 < c10ud> I think CANBUS could be the best option firmware wise, but BOM$ not so much
2017-12-19T16:18:35 < c10ud> e.g. use device uid as address and spit out data regularly...collision automagically taken care in peripheral
2017-12-19T16:18:53 < karlp> automagically taken care of by.... ignoring all the higher devices ;)
2017-12-19T16:18:54 < dongs> except with canshit you have like 8 bytes of actaul message
2017-12-19T16:19:00 < karlp> and yeah, fuck small messages.
2017-12-19T16:19:02 < dongs> and 20 bytes of overhead
2017-12-19T16:19:51 < c10ud> 8 bytes would be more than enough I guess (voltage and temp)
2017-12-19T16:20:55 < c10ud> I need to check max devices and bom$
2017-12-19T16:21:51 < c10ud> also 485 is not a problem...CAN I'm new on the block :D
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2017-12-19T16:22:25 < karlp> englishman: hey, arrow has  afree arduino uno for you!
2017-12-19T16:22:49 < englishman> wowowoww just what I always wanted
2017-12-19T16:23:08 < englishman> still have a bunch of 15% off cards if anyone wants em, doesn't work on ftdi parts
2017-12-19T16:24:28 < sync> Interesting
2017-12-19T16:25:23 < Ultrasauce> i guess what i had in mind requires good collision detection, crc could do but it'd be pretty unwieldy. basically the master polling the bus for unaddressed devices with an element of randomness to successively eliminate multiple responders, and then assigning them addresses
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2017-12-19T16:28:37 < Steffanx> HasARROWdelivered.it englishman ?
2017-12-19T16:29:03 < englishman> arrow always delivers
2017-12-19T16:29:05 < englishman> eventually
2017-12-19T16:29:09 < Ultrasauce> or similarly all clients assign themselves random addresses and then the host does a search of the address space to enumerate all of them
2017-12-19T16:29:11 < jadew> I think someone is trying to scam me out of $250 on ebay - not sure tho
2017-12-19T16:29:15 < c10ud> but you need to associate "real" devices to addresses then, so dipswitch might be the best option here
2017-12-19T16:29:32 < dongs> you always think someone is trying to scam you
2017-12-19T16:29:38 < Ultrasauce> yeah the utility depends on the usecase, whether you care which device is which
2017-12-19T16:29:45 < jadew> dongs, but they do
2017-12-19T16:29:46 < karlp> Ultrasauce: yeah, thhe detecting collisions is thte fiddly one if you don't want to change the slave devices,
2017-12-19T16:29:54 < jadew> the first time I had that feeling, it really was a scam
2017-12-19T16:29:57 < jadew> got my money back tho
2017-12-19T16:30:15 < jadew> now this guy says the item costs more to ship, so he wants $250 extra
2017-12-19T16:30:54 < jadew> 0 feedback
2017-12-19T16:30:56 < karlp> was going to try something like "everyone with low bit of serial matching this, assign address X aanad reply", if no collisions, keep going with othe rbits until "all" found.
2017-12-19T16:31:01 < Ultrasauce> yeah
2017-12-19T16:32:13 < Ultrasauce> there are a bunch of patents related to these techniques i am trying to decipher but reading patents is like pulling teeth
2017-12-19T16:32:18 < englishman> what are you doing and why is ip with DHCP the answer?
2017-12-19T16:32:39 < Ultrasauce> that's bootstrapped by preassigned mac addresses
2017-12-19T16:33:10 < Ultrasauce> if you can program in a guid to each device then the problem is trivial
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2017-12-19T16:35:22 < c10ud> well trivial but setting it up not so much (the discovery part must be carefully done)
2017-12-19T16:35:36 < c10ud> also you need to mantain a table for associations uid:network id
2017-12-19T16:36:37 < Ultrasauce> or the slaves keep track of their own but of course there's edge cases with devices being removed or added
2017-12-19T16:36:55 < Ultrasauce> (or you just use the guid as the network address)
2017-12-19T16:38:15 < karlp> englishman: that requires tthat the clients can broadcast, not always viable on rs485.
2017-12-19T16:38:37 < karlp> Ultrasauce: still, guids are going to be bigger thtan "link address" ids
2017-12-19T16:39:22 < Ultrasauce> 4 bytes isnt a lot and are you going to manufacture 4 billion?
2017-12-19T16:39:49 < karlp> you need to make up your own link protocol now.
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2017-12-19T16:40:02 < karlp> I want tto reuse modbus or something that doesn'tt let me have abitrarily long addresses
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2017-12-19T17:33:12 < srk> c10ud: for CANOpen there's LSS mode (Link Setting Services) which can be used for configuring node ID
2017-12-19T17:33:23 < srk> but only one can be in LSS mode at a time
2017-12-19T17:34:01 < srk> though I think it's possible to do it DHCP like way with multiple devices as you can query these by their serial number
2017-12-19T17:34:20 < srk> (which quite possibly is LSS fastscan)
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2017-12-19T17:58:30 < Steffanx> Day == tpw_rules ?
2017-12-19T18:00:06 < tpw_rules> no
2017-12-19T18:00:18 < tpw_rules> i was trying to work out a bug where my client wouldn't autocomplete either of his nicks
2017-12-19T18:00:27 < tpw_rules> but it turns out it was just computers™
2017-12-19T18:00:48 < Ultrasauce> in order to ping the user...you must become the user
2017-12-19T18:02:56 < tpw_rules> computers™
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2017-12-19T18:16:37 < day> Steffanx: day == daey
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2017-12-19T18:55:21 < Rob235> poop
2017-12-19T19:03:33 < Steffanx> Im not convinced day
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2017-12-19T19:13:08 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmpon5CgVxk
2017-12-19T19:14:03 < englishman> do all russian girls dress like that in december
2017-12-19T19:17:50 < englishman> lol
2017-12-19T19:17:52 < englishman> good stream
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2017-12-19T19:49:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa3_1513630848
2017-12-19T19:50:11 < Laurenceb> which irc user is this?
2017-12-19T19:50:20 < Laurenceb> I'm guessing thats englishman irl
2017-12-19T19:50:41 < englishman> liveleak really
2017-12-19T19:50:55 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/user/dogsandwolves/videos
2017-12-19T19:51:22 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_MacDonald
2017-12-19T19:51:25 < englishman> national hero
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2017-12-19T20:22:21 < Steffanx> nein
2017-12-19T20:22:22 < Steffanx> you?
2017-12-19T20:22:52 < Steffanx> Yes sir.
2017-12-19T20:23:47 < Steffanx> What can i do for your mr crt?
2017-12-19T20:27:01 < Steffanx> no ty
2017-12-19T20:27:43 < Steffanx> How's life as a professional engineer crt?
2017-12-19T20:28:10 < Steffanx> im glad to hear that
2017-12-19T20:30:10 < Steffanx> aha
2017-12-19T20:31:01 < englishman> maybe it's the sanity
2017-12-19T20:31:04 < Steffanx> You miss us.
2017-12-19T20:32:24 < Steffanx> Affirmative.
2017-12-19T20:32:36 < englishman> lunch
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2017-12-19T20:32:55 < Steffanx> Aussieland isnt a proper country to irc in.
2017-12-19T20:33:12 < karlp> not a proper coutnry to have internet in as far as I can tell these days :)
2017-12-19T20:39:55 < Steffanx> Better sleep crt
2017-12-19T20:41:55 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/kUNq6zj.png
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2017-12-19T20:47:30 < BrainDamage> as opposed to the uncommon cold?
2017-12-19T20:48:01 < BrainDamage> which i guess by itself is extraordinary in ovenland
2017-12-19T20:48:19 < Laurenceb> anyone hyere used MSO4034 scope?
2017-12-19T20:48:31 < Steffanx> dont do drugs crt.
2017-12-19T20:49:00 < Steffanx> outside my normal hobby budget range Laurenceb
2017-12-19T20:49:04 < Laurenceb> ah
2017-12-19T20:49:12 < Steffanx> also riglol
2017-12-19T20:49:13 < Laurenceb> I want to do eye drigrams
2017-12-19T20:49:19 < Laurenceb> i canna spell
2017-12-19T20:49:51 < Steffanx> crt, lol.. you never went to a universitiy.
2017-12-19T20:50:04 < Laurenceb> university of street drug pusher
2017-12-19T20:52:20 < kakimir> who doesn't?
2017-12-19T20:52:50 < Laurenceb> reee why is there a yuuuge mso4034 youtube video
2017-12-19T20:52:58 < Laurenceb> just want to know how to do eye diagrams
2017-12-19T20:53:53 < BrainDamage> just search for a persistence setting
2017-12-19T20:54:00 < Laurenceb> ah ok thanx
2017-12-19T20:55:06 < Steffanx> Unlike some Dr. B you have a license, crt
2017-12-19T20:59:17 < kakimir> driving sucks
2017-12-19T21:00:13 < BrainDamage> driving is a chore for me too unless i start disregarding common sense and safety
2017-12-19T21:01:24 < Steffanx> On irc zyp, on irc
2017-12-19T21:02:20 < Steffanx> And i only say because englishman told me ReadErr / ReadError is one. Im not even sure he really is :P
2017-12-19T21:02:30 < Steffanx> Said that*
2017-12-19T21:04:35 < Laurenceb> reee persistence doesnt do anything
2017-12-19T21:04:39 < Laurenceb> this scope is too complex
2017-12-19T21:04:47 < BrainDamage> are you triggering on clock?
2017-12-19T21:05:12 < BrainDamage> as bits flip from 1 to 0 and with persistence you get each image to superimpose
2017-12-19T21:05:15 < Laurenceb>  *triggering*
2017-12-19T21:05:16 < englishman> laurence is triggered non stop
2017-12-19T21:05:21 < BrainDamage> until you get what's called an eye diagram
2017-12-19T21:05:29 < BrainDamage> which is the overlap of positive and negative edges
2017-12-19T21:05:36 < Laurenceb> I'm looking at this retarded makework task
2017-12-19T21:05:42 < Laurenceb> looks at usb SOF jitter
2017-12-19T21:05:55 < Laurenceb> so "clock" is SOF from one device
2017-12-19T21:06:08 < Laurenceb> its triggering nicely, but no persistence on the screen
2017-12-19T21:08:05 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2017-12-19T21:08:14 < Laurenceb> I'm running different firmware to the youtube demo
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2017-12-19T21:08:35 < Laurenceb> clearly I need to reflash the scope O_o
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2017-12-19T21:08:44 < Steffanx> lolwut Laurenceb?
2017-12-19T21:08:51 < Steffanx> stop joking/weirding
2017-12-19T21:09:07 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL7QsELuv_M
2017-12-19T21:09:09 < Steffanx> http://time.is/australia
2017-12-19T21:09:10 < Laurenceb> 2:54
2017-12-19T21:09:17 < Laurenceb> I dont see the persistence on/off option
2017-12-19T21:09:29 < Steffanx> learn to link to time Laurenceb -_-
2017-12-19T21:11:28 < Laurenceb> maybe I need a paid firmware upgrade
2017-12-19T21:11:31 < Laurenceb> epin trolld
2017-12-19T21:19:16 < Laurenceb> unless it doesnt work an logic analyser inputs
2017-12-19T21:19:44 < BrainDamage> ofc it won't
2017-12-19T21:19:50 < Laurenceb> doh
2017-12-19T21:19:53 < Laurenceb> why not?
2017-12-19T21:19:55 < BrainDamage> an eye diagram makes no sense on a digital pin
2017-12-19T21:20:00 < Laurenceb> hmf
2017-12-19T21:20:03 < Laurenceb> screwed
2017-12-19T21:20:11 < BrainDamage> scope too slow otherwise?
2017-12-19T21:20:24 < Laurenceb> I need a shitton of inputs for the stupid project
2017-12-19T21:20:31 < Laurenceb> oh well its just going to have to be 4
2017-12-19T21:21:41 < Steffanx> Welcome.
2017-12-19T21:27:56 < Steffanx> ..
2017-12-19T21:36:13 < Steffanx> i wouldnt know,
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2017-12-19T21:57:53 < Laurenceb> no homo
2017-12-19T21:59:06 < Laurenceb> this is quite australian
2017-12-19T21:59:33 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciqQi_yyhqo
2017-12-19T22:00:01 < Laurenceb> i wonder if /r9k/ is literally just this guy
2017-12-19T22:00:19 < Laurenceb> I cant even work out whats hes trying to say
2017-12-19T22:00:44 < Laurenceb> the home of elliot rogers
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2017-12-19T22:02:02 < Laurenceb> lol 2:30 no homo
2017-12-19T22:02:33 < Laurenceb> from Nazi economists to radical cavemen
2017-12-19T22:04:41 < Laurenceb> https://youtu.be/ciqQi_yyhqo?t=2194
2017-12-19T22:04:50 < Laurenceb> is dat some tronics shit in background?
2017-12-19T22:08:05 < Steffanx> better sleep crt
2017-12-19T22:09:09 < Steffanx> Ya sir
2017-12-19T22:09:36 < Laurenceb> wtf this guy seems serious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk7vwx6UhFc
2017-12-19T22:09:42 < Steffanx> or tell me how to solidworks this thing crt
2017-12-19T22:09:43 < Laurenceb> at first he trolld then he seriousd
2017-12-19T22:09:51 < Steffanx> Are you an solidworks expert crt?
2017-12-19T22:10:20 < Steffanx> damnit
2017-12-19T22:10:52  * Laurenceb read that as "took 4 years to make some parts"
2017-12-19T22:11:14 < Laurenceb> I want an AI troll accelerator
2017-12-19T22:11:28 < Laurenceb> twitter troll hardware accelerator card
2017-12-19T22:11:53 < Laurenceb> all the better for trollin
2017-12-19T22:12:56 < Steffanx> Youre not being helpful today, crt
2017-12-19T22:13:31 < Laurenceb> wew 7:58 we see his face
2017-12-19T22:13:50 < Laurenceb> https://youtu.be/jk7vwx6UhFc?t=471  the face of /r9k/
2017-12-19T22:21:35 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjucAmjaJCA
2017-12-19T22:22:37 < englishman> remember when this chan was about stm32
2017-12-19T22:22:44 < englishman> i dont
2017-12-19T22:22:51 < Steffanx> lol, what?
2017-12-19T22:23:24 < Steffanx> What made you think it anyway?
2017-12-19T22:23:35 < englishman> is anyone here pumped for psoc 6
2017-12-19T22:23:58 < Steffanx> You're getting weirder every day englishman
2017-12-19T22:24:08 < upgrdman> cypress master race huh?
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2017-12-19T22:43:49 < Steffanx> lol you crt
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2017-12-19T22:48:43 < Steffanx> да
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2017-12-19T23:24:42 < Fleck> Steffanx: learning russian? :)
2017-12-19T23:26:01 < kakimir> ##secretlyrussian32
2017-12-19T23:26:23 < Fleck> hey kakimir
2017-12-19T23:26:43 < kakimir> hey
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2017-12-20T00:00:43 < kakimir> ##kgb32
2017-12-20T00:10:19 < englishman> attn kakimir https://i.imgur.com/6xsGb49.jpg
2017-12-20T00:13:23 < kakimir> yourtoy?
2017-12-20T00:14:20 < kakimir> actually
2017-12-20T00:14:24 < kakimir> what a hell it is?
2017-12-20T00:14:39 < englishman> its a cz with a cz
2017-12-20T00:15:00 < kakimir> is that some sort of.. joke?
2017-12-20T00:15:29 < englishman> kind of yeah
2017-12-20T00:15:39 < englishman> the gun in front is a cz scorpion evo
2017-12-20T00:15:43 < kakimir> is it yours?
2017-12-20T00:15:51 < englishman> someone has attached a cz75 sp01 shadow as a buttostock
2017-12-20T00:15:57 < englishman> maybe someday
2017-12-20T00:17:42 < kakimir> are you licenced gun collertor or is canadistan cool with guns?
2017-12-20T00:17:49 < englishman>  pewpew
2017-12-20T00:18:01 < englishman> 🦃 🔫
2017-12-20T01:20:27 < englishman> dongs http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1219/DA-17-1194A1.pdf
2017-12-20T01:21:17 < englishman> also ReadErr
2017-12-20T01:24:49 < ohsix> sup
2017-12-20T01:25:24 < ohsix> was randomly thinking about some junk, different 'range' floating point numbers have different costs, and the operations against them have variable cost
2017-12-20T01:26:00 < ohsix> question: assuming software float support from something like gcc, or a library, which 'size' floats and which operations cost the least
2017-12-20T01:26:38 < ohsix> if values [0,1) are close to as fast as possible i might not even care if it happens to be done in software, for example
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2017-12-20T01:27:19 < ohsix> and i think if i rigidly bound them to that in the name of speed i can avoid denormals and other crazy number states that are really slow/expensive
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2017-12-20T01:40:17 < englishman> anyone used intel compute stick?
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2017-12-20T01:44:33 < ohsix> not personally, seen some youtub vidyas
2017-12-20T01:44:40 < ohsix> it wasn't compelling enough to get one
2017-12-20T01:47:44 < ReadErr> englishman: lol wow 180k
2017-12-20T01:48:02 < ohsix> sup ReadErr
2017-12-20T01:48:06 < ohsix> or rather what's new
2017-12-20T01:48:12 < ReadErr> nm nm, u ?
2017-12-20T01:49:01 < ReadErr> is there any SMT part
2017-12-20T01:49:15 < ReadErr> that is sensitive enough to pick up the magnetic field of a magstrip card
2017-12-20T01:49:22 < ReadErr> thats available
2017-12-20T01:51:58 < ohsix> i got shot at, in the penultimate episode of a relationship i was in
2017-12-20T01:52:20 < ohsix> people are being cool but i'm nervous af until i can resolve everything, and that won't happen until january at the soonest
2017-12-20T01:52:51 < ohsix> re: magstrip, you kind of need that tiny air gap & coil mechanism in a regular magstripe/tape head for it to actually be sensitive enough
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2017-12-20T01:53:20 < ReadErr> yea but i was thinking something smt, like a hall sensor but more narrow
2017-12-20T01:53:24 < ohsix> even a hall sensor would need it; the gap does more than one thing, one of the things it does is set the minimal bit width and put it in a useful area
2017-12-20T01:53:34 < ohsix> sure
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2017-12-20T01:54:36 < ohsix> you could probably build a little pickup that would ultimately use a hall sensor but you'd need the gap to set the size/location of the pickup; the package on the hall sensor is going to be a problem just from the distance from die through package
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2017-12-20T01:55:34 < ohsix> if you just draw a sphere around a unit distance of the sensitive part of the hall sensor, that's your bit width at the distance of the tape from the sensor
2017-12-20T01:56:38 < ohsix> if you had two sensors
2017-12-20T01:57:06 < ohsix> one on each side ... you could probably disambiguate and resolve the bit patternz
2017-12-20T01:57:15 < ohsix> on the basis of seeing the bit twice, once on each side of the sensor
2017-12-20T01:57:33 < ohsix> it's probably worth just trying if you've got a scope and some hall sensors
2017-12-20T01:59:06 < ReadErr> they dont sell just the heads
2017-12-20T01:59:10 < ohsix> the 49e
2017-12-20T01:59:11 < ReadErr> not in small qty
2017-12-20T01:59:18 < ohsix> rusure
2017-12-20T01:59:29 < ReadErr> other option is buying the 3$ ali square clones
2017-12-20T01:59:31 < ReadErr> yes
2017-12-20T01:59:39 < ohsix> what do you want to do with them
2017-12-20T01:59:56 < ohsix> cuz you can integrate an actual card reader, and that's what most people do
2017-12-20T02:00:04 < ReadErr> reading cards
2017-12-20T02:00:05 < ohsix> you can also just buy whatever square does for their card reader
2017-12-20T02:00:13 < ReadErr> you cant buy those though
2017-12-20T02:00:15 < ohsix> right, but reading cards for what, i have a usb one
2017-12-20T02:00:22 < ReadErr> its the kinda thing you need to buy direct from the mfg
2017-12-20T02:00:25 < ReadErr> and thousands
2017-12-20T02:03:11 < ohsix> well you can get at least a few free from square; and they dont cost much after
2017-12-20T02:04:45 < ohsix> depends on what you're doing as to whether that is viable
2017-12-20T02:07:05 < ohsix> you can get really small ferrite c cores to make your own
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2017-12-20T02:44:20 < ReadErr> ohsix: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Verizon-Motorola-E4-16GB-Prepaid-Smartphone-Silver/953073971
2017-12-20T02:44:23 < ReadErr> worth it
2017-12-20T02:44:32 < ReadErr> can get an unlock code for 2$
2017-12-20T02:44:39 < ReadErr> and it will work on any carrier
2017-12-20T02:47:32 < ReadErr> do u have metropcs in your area?
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2017-12-20T03:01:54 < dongs> lol o_6 autisming and being poor and its almost 2018
2017-12-20T03:03:54 < ReadErr> theres a psweet scam going on now
2017-12-20T03:04:03 < ReadErr> but its legal
2017-12-20T03:04:11 < ReadErr> so its an opportunity
2017-12-20T03:05:57 < ohsix> ReadErr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HIPERDEA-3-5mm-AUX-Car-Audio-Cassette-Tape-Adapter-Transmitters-for-MP3-IPod-CD-MD-iPhone/32833953363.html
2017-12-20T03:08:03 < ohsix> ReadErr: its' cdma with no sim
2017-12-20T03:08:11 < ReadErr> huh
2017-12-20T03:08:13 < ReadErr> its LTE
2017-12-20T03:08:18 < ReadErr> and has a sim
2017-12-20T03:08:51 < ohsix> that's not wat the table or the title sez
2017-12-20T03:09:04 < ohsix> verizon has special editions of phoens a lot of the time with usims
2017-12-20T03:09:12 < ohsix> or uims, i forget wat teh embedded ones are
2017-12-20T03:09:39 < ohsix> unlocking doesn't mean a lot if you can't tell the baseband what network prefs and authentication junk you have, and that's in the sim
2017-12-20T03:09:53 < ReadErr> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_e4-8721.php
2017-12-20T03:12:26 < ReadErr> I got 3 of them to use for kali nethunter
2017-12-20T03:18:58 < dongs> does kali mean some faggot shit in 2017 and not IPX simulator for old dos games?
2017-12-20T03:24:01 < dongs> yep, FAGGOT SHIT fucking CONFIRMED. couldn't even find kali for DOS, first fuckign result for that was some WHiTeHaT hax0R page talking about LUNIX and FAGGOT SHIT.
2017-12-20T03:25:58 < ReadErr> lol
2017-12-20T03:26:03 < ReadErr> its p kewt
2017-12-20T03:26:19 < ReadErr> 10$usb+40$phone+battery
2017-12-20T03:27:37 < kakimir> shiet my snus spit bowl tipped over
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2017-12-20T03:32:28 < ReadErr> good thats fuckin gross
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2017-12-20T03:56:44 < kakimir> yes it is
2017-12-20T03:56:58 < kakimir> every aspect of the thing
2017-12-20T03:57:53 < tpw_rules> why do you have one
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2017-12-20T04:19:18 < MrMobius> Ive started writing my shitware laying down in bed
2017-12-20T04:19:27 < MrMobius> no reason to even get up
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2017-12-20T05:29:59 < MrMobius> he was autisming in here a little while ago
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2017-12-20T05:38:44 < dongs> R2COM: been too busy dickstarting and slaving off
2017-12-20T05:43:00 < dongs> same shit
2017-12-20T05:43:02 < dongs> o6 still poor
2017-12-20T05:44:17 < dongs> yeah homePNA or whatever shit
2017-12-20T05:44:21 < dongs> its absolute garbage
2017-12-20T05:44:58 < dongs> its not, thats how
2017-12-20T05:46:03 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication#Indoor
2017-12-20T05:46:15 < dongs> 200mbit is max and I dont even believe that
2017-12-20T05:46:26 < dongs> it might have 1gbit at the plug but not over the media
2017-12-20T05:47:36 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.hn looks like this claims gbit
2017-12-20T05:47:39 < dongs> with 4096qam, heh
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2017-12-20T06:08:23 < dongs> i saw some HD-PLC shit at last weeks expo
2017-12-20T06:08:28 < dongs> with megachips parts
2017-12-20T06:08:45 < dongs> never heard of any of that homeplug etc shit
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2017-12-20T06:16:48 < dongs> It was revealed that six years earlier, Jeri had accused Jack Ryan of asking her to perform sexual acts with him in public, and in sex clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Jeri described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips, and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling." Jack denied these allegations.
2017-12-20T06:16:53 < dongs> the truth about jeri ellsworthless is out
2017-12-20T06:17:29 < MrMobius> Isnt Jack Ryan a fictional character creatd by Tom Clancy?
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2017-12-20T07:40:02 < dongs> the goal is to pay no taxes at all, if you're paying something, you've already failed
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2017-12-20T08:44:53 < MrMobius> R2COM, you dont need the police or schools?
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2017-12-20T08:50:47 < dongs> lol
2017-12-20T08:51:00 < MrMobius> thats farcical
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2017-12-20T08:54:48 < MrMobius> do you ever need to go to the doctor?
2017-12-20T08:57:20 < MrMobius> how many doctors would we have if no one paid taxes for schools?
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2017-12-20T08:58:18 < MrMobius> Thats not an argument
2017-12-20T08:59:12 < MrMobius> Also not an argument
2017-12-20T09:00:01 < MrMobius> There wouldnt be enough college graduates to become doctors if the government didnt pay for schools
2017-12-20T09:00:31 < MrMobius> It pays for elementary schools
2017-12-20T09:01:03 < MrMobius> You have to finish elementary school to go to college
2017-12-20T09:02:14 < MrMobius> So you dont mind paying the amount that goes to schools?
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2017-12-20T09:10:41 < Thorn> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/private-microwave-networks-financial-hft/
2017-12-20T09:12:23 < dongs> olol HFT
2017-12-20T09:12:26 < dongs> faggots wasting time
2017-12-20T09:16:21 < MrMobius> You worked yourself up
2017-12-20T09:16:32 < MrMobius> lol
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2017-12-20T10:01:10 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/aGSFZ2eadaA
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2017-12-20T10:01:53 < ohsix> can't spot the ethnicity,
2017-12-20T10:03:37 < Steffanx> What wut? Since when R2COM is anti-army?
2017-12-20T10:03:52 < Steffanx> Shouldnt it be: gun guns GUNS
2017-12-20T10:04:11 < stvn> GUNS
2017-12-20T10:04:23 < Steffanx> Luckily the only good one is russian made
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2017-12-20T10:04:29 < ohsix> buns buns buns
2017-12-20T10:05:00 < MrMobius> lol @ video
2017-12-20T10:05:10 < stvn> ~~
2017-12-20T10:05:14 < MrMobius> "It is the product of my fantasies."
2017-12-20T10:05:23 < stvn> quite odd
2017-12-20T10:13:15 < stvn> well there's always sticking the board in your clothes dryer
2017-12-20T10:15:15 < dongs> what video
2017-12-20T10:16:01 < dongs> did you turn on wrong clock
2017-12-20T10:16:28 < dongs> AF set?
2017-12-20T10:18:11 < stvn> hmmm
2017-12-20T10:21:18 < dongs> do i sense autism
2017-12-20T10:21:40 < MrMobius> autism? in R2COM???
2017-12-20T10:21:53 < dongs> PA11 has SPI2 AF?
2017-12-20T10:22:01 < dongs> er PA12
2017-12-20T10:22:18 < dongs> not SCK
2017-12-20T10:22:20 < dongs> its NSS pin
2017-12-20T10:22:46 < dongs> err wait, i dont see it on PA12 at all
2017-12-20T10:23:27 < dongs> wheer do you see SCK beign available on PA12
2017-12-20T10:24:35 < dongs> hm yea. i was looking at f4/f72x and neither had it. of course, 76x did.
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2017-12-20T10:26:39 < dongs> is this MikroE IDE or somethign
2017-12-20T10:27:52 < stvn> do you use mikroC????
2017-12-20T10:29:23 < ohsix> eevblag posted some words that lead to some old pictures of their hosue and shit on the internet http://boondaburra.com/ in the solar roadways video
2017-12-20T10:30:02 < ohsix> guess it does have david l jones a the bottom, nevermind
2017-12-20T10:31:06 < dongs> you should probably kill SB15
2017-12-20T10:31:17 < dongs> bridge thingy
2017-12-20T10:31:48 < dongs> should work man
2017-12-20T10:35:02 < zyp> dongs, workstuff needs some custom JST ZPD cables, can I email you a spec to get a quote?
2017-12-20T10:35:08 < dongs> sure thing
2017-12-20T10:36:16 < zyp> this shit is kinda retarded because stuff is mirrored between the ends, and some of the signals should be twisted pairs
2017-12-20T10:39:12 < dongs> pulldown on SPI yeah
2017-12-20T10:39:16 < dongs> so your shit doesnt float
2017-12-20T10:41:55 < dongs> zyp, eyah if it can be done it will be done
2017-12-20T10:41:59 < dongs> tho hopefully you need more than 10 or somethign
2017-12-20T10:43:56 < zyp> short term I need 10, but I figure if this shit is cheap as fuck like the other cables I've bought I'll just get 100 or something right away
2017-12-20T10:44:08 < dongs> rite
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2017-12-20T11:00:57 < zyp> dongs, mailed, did I forget to include any info?
2017-12-20T11:02:57 < dongs> looks ok, will fwd
2017-12-20T11:03:07 < zyp> thanks
2017-12-20T11:10:09 < kakimir> recommds screen recorder?
2017-12-20T11:18:29 < Fleck> good morning, have a nice day everybody!
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2017-12-20T11:23:30 < stvn_> does anyone want a little bit of that?
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2017-12-20T11:48:56 < jadew> there should be a law against expensive cables
2017-12-20T11:49:11 < jadew> Keysight is selling some cables for $300 :/
2017-12-20T11:49:18 < jadew> the chiense are selling clones for 60
2017-12-20T11:49:28 < jadew> (still super expensive for a shitty cable)
2017-12-20T11:51:22 < stvn> does it connect to your arse?
2017-12-20T11:51:39 < jadew> for that kind of cash it better be
2017-12-20T11:52:21 < jadew> it's for those external attenuators
2017-12-20T11:52:22 < stvn> sterilized n shit
2017-12-20T11:52:26 < stvn> ok
2017-12-20T11:52:50 < jadew> I bought the attenuator driver for 20 eur and I have to pay 100+ for 2 fucking cables
2017-12-20T11:53:12 < stvn> better buy cables
2017-12-20T11:53:23 < stvn> what is the result of all this?
2017-12-20T11:53:43 < jadew> programmable attenuators I can control from the PC
2017-12-20T11:53:56 < stvn> that's kind of neat
2017-12-20T11:54:42 < stvn> i'm going to sell my arse for an altium
2017-12-20T11:54:44 < jadew> yeah, it's useful cuz you can add additonal range to signal generators
2017-12-20T11:54:58 < dongs> zyp , preliminary answer is "can make"
2017-12-20T11:55:00 < dongs> will know more tomrorw
2017-12-20T11:55:14 < zyp> nice
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2017-12-20T12:44:24 < Laurenceb> well that escalated quickly
2017-12-20T12:44:34  * Laurenceb can now only talk to boss with HR present
2017-12-20T12:44:38 < Laurenceb> epin wurk dramaz
2017-12-20T12:48:45 < jpa-> mail him some lines from this channel, it'll make everything better
2017-12-20T12:49:29 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-12-20T12:50:04 < Laurenceb> I threatened him with recordings of him threatening other members of staff
2017-12-20T12:50:38 < dongs> are you whiteknighting
2017-12-20T12:50:57 < Laurenceb> maybes, at this point I dont care
2017-12-20T12:51:31 < Laurenceb> maybe I should try the radfem angle too :D
2017-12-20T12:51:53 < Laurenceb> I know he sexually harasses female staff
2017-12-20T12:56:18 < jpa-> i think you should try the "you are violating my harem" angle
2017-12-20T12:57:30 < Laurenceb> it seems like a classic case where a bazillion SJW attack plans would all work perfectly
2017-12-20T12:57:54 < Laurenceb> maybe I should try to record him sexually harassing
2017-12-20T12:58:23 < Laurenceb> wew he just emailed me
2017-12-20T12:58:36 < jadew> make sure you put some lipstick on
2017-12-20T12:58:54 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2017-12-20T13:16:55 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/z49jpGL.png must have been Laurenceb drawing these diagrams for ST
2017-12-20T13:17:25 < dongs> 16us is nowhere near the scale that fucking graph is at
2017-12-20T13:17:42 < Laurenceb> top trawl
2017-12-20T13:18:02 < stvn> wtf is SWIM mate
2017-12-20T13:18:24 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/QANiKdr.png its more like this
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2017-12-20T13:27:55 < stvn> i'll keep it in mind later
2017-12-20T13:28:42 < Laurenceb> stvn: I think my isis friend is in Aus
2017-12-20T13:28:45 < Laurenceb> so watch out
2017-12-20T13:29:19 < stvn> wtf is an isis friend?!
2017-12-20T13:29:34 < Laurenceb> >only Swedish guy at my school
2017-12-20T13:29:46 < Laurenceb> >he converted to islam and joined isis
2017-12-20T13:29:51 < Laurenceb> the memes are real
2017-12-20T13:30:29 < Laurenceb> I heard a rumour that he is in aus illegally now, so want out for swedish muslims
2017-12-20T13:31:15 < stvn> okay
2017-12-20T13:32:11 < Laurenceb> apparently he might be working as a network technician
2017-12-20T13:32:12 < Laurenceb> my sides
2017-12-20T13:32:33 < stvn> ok
2017-12-20T13:33:20 < stvn> so far none of this has made any sense to me laurence
2017-12-20T13:34:52 < Steffanx> Better sleep stvn :P
2017-12-20T13:35:31 < Steffanx> superbia: ?
2017-12-20T13:35:44 < stvn> super what?
2017-12-20T13:37:08 < dongs> stvn, i sent some pumps your way
2017-12-20T13:37:59 < stvn> ok
2017-12-20T13:38:03 < stvn> i'll have to look
2017-12-20T13:39:14 < Steffanx> Better share.
2017-12-20T13:39:57 < dongs> NDA pumps
2017-12-20T13:40:07 < stvn> very good material there
2017-12-20T13:40:19 < dongs> as i was taking 2nd pic
2017-12-20T13:40:30 < dongs> some dude from that booth came up and was like are you taking a pic of the sign or the booth or the pump
2017-12-20T13:40:37 < dongs> do you wanna get your pic taken next to the booth??
2017-12-20T13:40:44 < stvn> lol
2017-12-20T13:41:20 < Laurenceb> >ur booth
2017-12-20T13:41:27 < Laurenceb> and I thought my job was shit
2017-12-20T13:41:30 < stvn> here's one for good measure https://i.imgur.com/7S4CR58.jpg
2017-12-20T13:41:35 < Steffanx> I wouldnt trust stvn, even with an nda
2017-12-20T13:42:11 < Steffanx> You never know with theepots
2017-12-20T13:45:36 < Laurenceb> what the https://twitter.com/goddersbloom?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
2017-12-20T13:45:44 < Laurenceb> Poe strikes again
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2017-12-20T13:50:25 < stvn> hmmm
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2017-12-20T14:03:27 < nuxil> hello.
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2017-12-20T14:58:44 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/gZGMinu.jpg
2017-12-20T15:04:49 < dongs> ancient
2017-12-20T15:15:22 < aandrew> yes but funny
2017-12-20T15:17:53 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/jTGm5jY
2017-12-20T15:17:57 < Laurenceb> flawless victory
2017-12-20T15:18:30 < BrainDamage> you need to increase the time scale until you see the slopes of the edges
2017-12-20T15:18:41 < Laurenceb> muh nanoseconds
2017-12-20T15:18:50 < Laurenceb> blue = other side of hub
2017-12-20T15:19:05 < Laurenceb> it meets usb spec, who would have thunk it
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2017-12-20T15:19:46 < Laurenceb> about +-500ns jitter
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2017-12-20T15:26:47 < Steffanx> Hows shaker-gate Laurenceb ?
2017-12-20T15:27:30 < Laurenceb> who cares
2017-12-20T15:27:46 < Steffanx> Your boss
2017-12-20T15:27:50 < Steffanx> And me
2017-12-20T15:28:02 < Steffanx> Make fun of Laurenceb-ware
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2017-12-20T16:04:20 < Steffanx> Oh and i want to know how shaker-gate ended. If it ended yet. My autism cannot deal with an unfinished story
2017-12-20T16:06:17 < dongs> DMA faggotry plot thickens
2017-12-20T16:06:23 < dongs> now DMA1_Stream6 doesnt wrok either
2017-12-20T16:06:28 < Laurenceb> we agreed that we would have to have third party witnesses for next meeting
2017-12-20T16:06:31 < dongs> just like DMA2_Stream6
2017-12-20T16:06:39 < dongs> this makes no fucking sense
2017-12-20T16:07:00 < Laurenceb> well this is interesting
2017-12-20T16:07:15 < Laurenceb> either lunix or my motherboard interleaves the usb busses
2017-12-20T16:07:31 < Laurenceb> prob motherboard as timing is spot on
2017-12-20T16:11:11 < dongs> try a real OS, faggot
2017-12-20T16:12:06 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/cbbc409ec9/69773.png
2017-12-20T16:13:13 < dongs> no idea waht im loking at
2017-12-20T16:13:24 < Laurenceb> lines toggle on SOF
2017-12-20T16:13:42 < Laurenceb> there is 500µs offset between usb busses on my pc
2017-12-20T16:13:53 < karlp> and? they're separate busses.
2017-12-20T16:14:12 < Laurenceb> yeah but 500µs is half of 1ms
2017-12-20T16:14:19 < Laurenceb> that can't be a coincidence
2017-12-20T16:14:23 < zyp> so?
2017-12-20T16:14:46 < Laurenceb> well traffic on usb isnt going to be distributed evenly around SOF is it?
2017-12-20T16:15:09 < zyp> why not?
2017-12-20T16:15:12 < Laurenceb> so is this deliberate to reduce load on the OS drivers ?
2017-12-20T16:15:31 < Laurenceb> well most of the spare bus time is usually towards the end of the frame?
2017-12-20T16:15:44 < dongs> is taht SOF from 2 differetn ports or somehtringt?
2017-12-20T16:15:56 < jpa-> what Laurenceb is saying makes sense to me :P
2017-12-20T16:15:57 < dongs> lol @ expecting that shit to be syncronized
2017-12-20T16:15:57 < zyp> dongs, two different buses, he said
2017-12-20T16:16:01 < Laurenceb> dongs: different ports from different busses
2017-12-20T16:16:05 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-12-20T16:16:06 < dongs> the fuck is a "different bus"?
2017-12-20T16:16:14 < dongs> like one of the 20-something chipset USB ports?
2017-12-20T16:16:44 < Laurenceb> different off southbridge or pci or however its wired up internally
2017-12-20T16:17:19 < Laurenceb> dongs: I've done it with about 1k traces overlaid, there is no drift
2017-12-20T16:17:37 < Laurenceb> but there is consistent 500µs +-500ns offset
2017-12-20T16:17:41 < zyp> I mean, I don't find it strange that a multi-bus controller have bus cycles shifted by half the cycle period
2017-12-20T16:17:59 < Laurenceb> heh I guess it its the same controller yeah
2017-12-20T16:18:01 < zyp> but it's not guaranteed by any spec, so you can't expect every host to act like that
2017-12-20T16:18:07 < Laurenceb> I should take a look at motherboard
2017-12-20T16:18:20 < Laurenceb> yeah, just though it was interesting thats all
2017-12-20T16:18:43 < Laurenceb> I wondered if maybe it would be a random offset or just drifting independently
2017-12-20T16:18:43 < dongs> i think my DMA shit failing is way more interesting. fucking bizzare shit
2017-12-20T16:18:49 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-12-20T16:18:51 < dongs> its liek stream6 is dead on both controllers
2017-12-20T16:18:52 < dongs> ?!?!?!
2017-12-20T16:19:06 < Laurenceb> maybe there is no stream6
2017-12-20T16:19:11 < Laurenceb> its fake news
2017-12-20T16:20:32 < Laurenceb> anyways, usb shit stays syncronised nicely
2017-12-20T16:20:36 < Laurenceb> who would have thunk it
2017-12-20T16:20:39 < BrainDamage> I'd imagine it's some high level syncronization done by the bridge or even the os to minimize interference
2017-12-20T16:20:50 < zyp> Laurenceb, nice
2017-12-20T16:20:52 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: yeah I wondered that
2017-12-20T16:20:59 < dongs> disable spread spectrum in bios
2017-12-20T16:20:59 < zyp> how much SOF latency do you see across a hub?
2017-12-20T16:21:07 < Laurenceb> zyp: this is not news, its stupid makework
2017-12-20T16:21:14 < Laurenceb> zyp: I cant measure it lol
2017-12-20T16:21:34 < Laurenceb> I see +-500ns jitter, but latency seems lost in the noise
2017-12-20T16:21:46 < Laurenceb> I think its because I only have multi TT hubs
2017-12-20T16:22:00 < Laurenceb> and they are translating from 480mbps
2017-12-20T16:22:35 < Laurenceb> now if I tried staking up a load of hubs and averaging...
2017-12-20T16:22:39 < Laurenceb> but I'm too lazy
2017-12-20T16:22:59 < zyp> usb only support seven levels anyway
2017-12-20T16:23:28 < Laurenceb> I think there must be some sort of "compensation" for processing time in my hubs
2017-12-20T16:23:59 < Laurenceb> prob not surprising as they are converting from 480 to 12
2017-12-20T16:24:30 < Ultrasauce> i really hope i never stumble into a project involving usb and precise timing
2017-12-20T16:24:33 < Laurenceb> also some of this jitter is def from the stm32
2017-12-20T16:25:07 < zyp> in what sense? it uses split transactions for FS/LS transactions over HS
2017-12-20T16:25:47 < zyp> Ultrasauce, how so? the SOF mechanism should make it reasonably well suited
2017-12-20T16:25:59 < Laurenceb> ooh I see it
2017-12-20T16:27:06 < Laurenceb> yeah about 700nss delay across the hub
2017-12-20T16:27:08 < Laurenceb> *ns
2017-12-20T16:27:22 < Laurenceb> spec is 720ns so that makes sense
2017-12-20T16:27:38 < Laurenceb> just needed right zoom level
2017-12-20T16:30:13 < Laurenceb> jitter increases slightly with the hub present too
2017-12-20T16:30:34 < Laurenceb> by about 100ns
2017-12-20T16:32:32 < dongs> < Ultrasauce> i really hope i never stumble into a project involving usb and precise timing
2017-12-20T16:32:35 < dongs> this is why XMOS exists
2017-12-20T16:32:39 < dongs> for that super precise timing
2017-12-20T16:32:41 < dongs> on USB
2017-12-20T16:32:53 < dongs> so your USB DAC have less jitter.
2017-12-20T16:32:53 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-12-20T16:34:16 < Laurenceb> muh 500ns jitter
2017-12-20T16:34:31 < Laurenceb> tbf that might be an issue for audio
2017-12-20T16:36:46 < dongs> stepping shows CCR1/2 values changing in timer, but the shit never goes to DMA
2017-12-20T16:36:47 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-12-20T16:37:03 < dongs> all dma/timer DMArelated shit looks fine
2017-12-20T16:37:15 < Laurenceb> ur not using cube are u ?
2017-12-20T16:37:19 < dongs> hell no
2017-12-20T16:37:24 < Laurenceb> lel
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2017-12-20T16:51:25 < dongs> i should be able to DMA inputcapture RIGHT???
2017-12-20T16:51:48 < dongs> i have shit trhat works for OC, exactly same code just switched to IC/PWMInput mode, DMA never happens
2017-12-20T16:51:58 < dongs> what the flying fuck
2017-12-20T16:52:14 < Laurenceb> which stm?
2017-12-20T16:52:21 < dongs> 4xx
2017-12-20T16:52:26 < dongs> so the Stream shit
2017-12-20T16:59:17 < Laurenceb> are you sure it is capturing ok?
2017-12-20T16:59:36 < dongs> yeah cuz i can step it and i see it capture
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2017-12-20T17:06:12 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/sFNgbX34.html i have no idea wahts going on. i must be missing something obvious
2017-12-20T17:10:50 < dongs> all registers in DMA and timer look normal
2017-12-20T17:11:30 < dongs> CC1/2OF is set when i break in, cuz DMA never fuckign reads them
2017-12-20T17:11:46 < dongs> which is of course to be expected if it doesnt work
2017-12-20T17:11:57 < Laurenceb> https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/668123/sex-robot-conference-UK-terror-threat-goldsmiths-university-muslim-extremists
2017-12-20T17:12:03 < Laurenceb> everything about this...
2017-12-20T17:12:44 < Laurenceb> WAIFUS OUT, WAHHABISTS IN
2017-12-20T17:12:51 < dongs> muslim extremists what
2017-12-20T17:12:57 < dongs> it made sense until that point
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2017-12-20T17:19:50 < englishman> dongs, did you see timnilson news
2017-12-20T17:19:57 < dongs> yes and lol'd
2017-12-20T17:20:02 < englishman> yes lold irl
2017-12-20T17:20:29 < englishman> also this http://chrishatcher.me/
2017-12-20T17:20:32 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/timnilson?lang=en
2017-12-20T17:20:36 < Laurenceb> him?
2017-12-20T17:20:52 < englishman> Laurenceb: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1219/DA-17-1194A1.pdf
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2017-12-20T17:20:59 < englishman> http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/Drone%20Video%20Transmitter%20Complaint%20FINAL-%2001%2011%202017.pdf
2017-12-20T17:21:11 < Laurenceb> oh lol
2017-12-20T17:21:47 < Laurenceb> lul I see he voted
2017-12-20T17:21:57 < Laurenceb> 4 trump I hope, 4 epin trollage
2017-12-20T17:22:09 < Laurenceb> all my FL relatives voted for Trump
2017-12-20T17:22:19 < Laurenceb> causing my dad to epin rage
2017-12-20T17:23:15 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdQBkVHUEAE9nDM.jpg
2017-12-20T17:23:17 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2017-12-20T18:34:35 < Lux> englishman: lol at chatchs website
2017-12-20T18:35:12 < Lux> didn't re design the lumenier lux, cause he's taking credit for it?
2017-12-20T18:35:24 < englishman> no clue tbh
2017-12-20T18:37:42 < dongs> "design"
2017-12-20T18:38:34 < Lux> yeah doesn't really matter for that
2017-12-20T18:38:47 < Lux> heh he even worked for geosemi
2017-12-20T18:38:56 < Lux> i actually did some work with that company
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2017-12-20T19:43:37 < karlp> dongs: seen the new fun on freecancer? "Why hire people when you can just make an API call to the cloud?"
2017-12-20T19:43:40 < karlp> https://developers.freelancer.com/
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2017-12-20T19:53:28 < Laurenceb> better than hiring ppl to find that yes, devices are usb compliant
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2017-12-20T21:38:48 < dale6998> is there a good tutorial for setting up bidirectional i2c between two F4 devices?
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2017-12-20T21:45:11 < Steffanx> Not sure if a good tutorial, but i believe some examples do master and slave on the same device, dale6998. Can't be that hard to use that to make something for 2 devices.
2017-12-20T21:46:22 < dale6998> ok...that's in the fw examples?
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2017-12-20T21:47:50 < Steffanx> in the HAL examples.
2017-12-20T21:48:26 < dale6998> ok...i'll look at those
2017-12-20T21:49:29 < Steffanx> ST does have some documents on how to do I2C master and how to do a slave if you want more info about that.
2017-12-20T21:49:33 < Steffanx> *appnotes
2017-12-20T21:50:26 < aandrew> I2C slave on MCUs is generally disgusting
2017-12-20T21:50:40 < aandrew> as a general rule. it requires a lot of points of inspection
2017-12-20T21:51:12 < aandrew> address received: interrupt to see if it was for me or maybe HW provides address match. Great. now I decide if I want to ACK
2017-12-20T21:51:25 < aandrew> then for every fucking byte after that, interrupt so I can decide what to do with it
2017-12-20T21:51:58 < aandrew> SPI slave's a lot saner. Set up DMA for 'x' bytes and interrupt at the end, although that has its issues too
2017-12-20T21:52:28 < aandrew> i.e. systems where an address or register is clocked in - you get the interrupt and have to prepare the data and respond quickly or the next clock comes and you're too late
2017-12-20T21:52:34 < aandrew> tehre's no holdoff like with I2C
2017-12-20T21:52:45 < aandrew> (if the master even correctly checks for clock stretching
2017-12-20T21:53:31 < Steffanx> Heh, yeah. I prefer spi too, but he asked for i2c :P
2017-12-20T21:53:41 < dale6998> oh man...i wish i hadn't sent out those PCBs for fab already
2017-12-20T21:53:54 < Ultrasauce> lol
2017-12-20T21:54:04 < aandrew> heh
2017-12-20T21:54:07 < sync> rip
2017-12-20T21:54:08 < Ultrasauce> depending on the use case uart might be a better solution
2017-12-20T21:54:10 < Steffanx> china fab? If so then you probably only lost $10?
2017-12-20T21:54:20 < dale6998> Steffanx: it's not the money...it's the tim
2017-12-20T21:54:21 < dale6998> time
2017-12-20T21:54:22 < aandrew> sane protocols between MCUs is UART and CAN/LIN
2017-12-20T21:54:33 < aandrew> peripherals SPI/I2C is cool
2017-12-20T21:56:08 < dale6998> aandrew: i think i'm stuck right now, making the best of it...this is going to be difficult, i think
2017-12-20T21:56:37 < dale6998> Steffanx: i have the CubeMX, but i dont' see the HAL examples...are those in a different package from ST?
2017-12-20T21:57:21 < Steffanx> i must say i dont know where they hide there examples. I just remember they had such example somewhere.
2017-12-20T21:58:45 < aandrew> dale6998: it'll be fine, it'll just be a bit of a pain in the ass
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2017-12-20T22:07:01 < dale6998> Steffanx: alright, i'll keep looking
2017-12-20T22:07:13 < dale6998> aandrew: thanks man...i'm used to it at this point
2017-12-20T22:10:02 < Ultrasauce> if it's the right package and relevant pair of pins you can still use the uart
2017-12-20T22:10:13 < Ultrasauce> i guess it'd still need rework to swap rx/tx
2017-12-20T22:11:28 < Ultrasauce> or half duplex mode
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2017-12-20T22:44:44 < dale6998> how about getting open OCD to run on a different port?  i'm trying to debug two devices at once with two different openocd sessions
2017-12-20T22:44:54 < dale6998> i looked at the man page, but didn't see anything about specifying a port
2017-12-20T22:45:20 < PaulFertser> dale6998: gdb_port
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2017-12-20T22:45:27 < PaulFertser> dale6998: openocd uses Info documentation, look there.
2017-12-20T22:45:42 < PaulFertser> dale6998: you'll also need to change telnet_port and rpc_port.
2017-12-20T22:46:19 < dale6998> PaulFertser: i can't pass that as a command line flag, right?  that's in the config file i pass with the -f parameter?
2017-12-20T22:46:42 < PaulFertser> dale6998: you can, with -c "gdb_port xxx" etc.
2017-12-20T22:46:56 < dale6998> oooh ok
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2017-12-20T22:57:30 < englishman> hello millennials
2017-12-20T22:58:11 < Steffanx> Hello fellow mate.
2017-12-20T23:00:35 < kakimir> Hello all pumpers
2017-12-20T23:01:25 < englishman> kakimir big news
2017-12-20T23:01:36 < englishman> next week il be in a house with both a sauna and a kitten
2017-12-20T23:01:37 < kakimir> ? sauna
2017-12-20T23:01:41 < englishman> and the kitten really loves the sauna
2017-12-20T23:01:48 < kakimir> sauna cat
2017-12-20T23:01:52 < englishman> if you leave it outside it gets very angry
2017-12-20T23:01:52 < kakimir> it's a thing
2017-12-20T23:02:09 < kakimir> I have tried to teach our cats sauna
2017-12-20T23:02:45 < kakimir> take a pic of sauna so I can rate how much sauna it is
2017-12-20T23:02:54 < englishman> so i have another reason to build a sauna at home now
2017-12-20T23:02:57 < englishman> ok
2017-12-20T23:03:07 < englishman> il show you mine if you show me yours
2017-12-20T23:03:19 < kakimir> I have shown a bit of my sauna iirc
2017-12-20T23:03:29 < englishman> i want to see the whole thing'
2017-12-20T23:03:35 < kakimir> okay
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2017-12-20T23:04:23 < Steffanx> Hello superbia, where is ranewen?
2017-12-20T23:05:18 < Steffanx> Great.
2017-12-20T23:05:42 < Steffanx> I dont hate C#.
2017-12-20T23:06:40 < Steffanx> i hate windows... for crashing/bsoding while 3d printing over usb and it's just doing the last few layers..
2017-12-20T23:06:57 < Steffanx> some knobs
2017-12-20T23:07:08 < Ultrasauce> printing over usb sucks, get a real controller
2017-12-20T23:07:09 < Steffanx> For some old radio
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2017-12-20T23:07:21 < Steffanx> It's just sending the gcode over usb Ultrasauce..
2017-12-20T23:07:43 < Steffanx> https://time.is/australia
2017-12-20T23:08:13 < Ultrasauce> yes and that sucks
2017-12-20T23:08:22 < Steffanx> What would you do Ultrasauce?
2017-12-20T23:08:28 < Steffanx> SD card sucks arse.
2017-12-20T23:08:48 < Steffanx> or do you want me to finally start using the octoprint i installed on some rpi? Which is still over usb.
2017-12-20T23:09:49 < Steffanx> TEEELL MEEE, Ultrasauce
2017-12-20T23:09:52 < Ultrasauce> i use an mks controller
2017-12-20T23:10:08 < Ultrasauce> sd is not ideal but it definitely sucks less than a host on the pc
2017-12-20T23:10:18 < Steffanx> No way.
2017-12-20T23:10:37 < Ultrasauce> still haven't gotten around to recompiling smoothie but when i do i'll enable ethernet support
2017-12-20T23:11:24 < srk> it sucks :)
2017-12-20T23:11:30 < Ultrasauce> great
2017-12-20T23:11:44 < englishman> octopi is neat
2017-12-20T23:11:46 < Steffanx> lol, so many people so many opinions.
2017-12-20T23:11:57 < englishman> sdcard printing is for old men
2017-12-20T23:11:59 < Ultrasauce> the whole stack is shit, it's a miracle anyone thinks anything is good
2017-12-20T23:12:01 < srk> englishman: only if you're extremely patient
2017-12-20T23:12:09 < srk> Ultrasauce: this
2017-12-20T23:12:15 < srk> working on that
2017-12-20T23:12:18 < englishman> Ultrasauce doesnt this describe anything made in python
2017-12-20T23:12:23 < srk> https://distrap.org/
2017-12-20T23:12:26 < srk> 100% haskell :D
2017-12-20T23:12:35 < srk> englishman: pretty much!
2017-12-20T23:12:38 < Ultrasauce> i dont think there is anything python based in the stack i use and it is still definitely not awesome
2017-12-20T23:12:52 < srk> what's your stack?
2017-12-20T23:13:11 < Steffanx> Wanna make us cry srk? Haskell...
2017-12-20T23:13:27 < stvn> blow my stack
2017-12-20T23:13:29 < srk> Steffanx: it makes a lot of sense ;)
2017-12-20T23:13:39 < Ultrasauce> openscad, slic3r, mks, smoothie
2017-12-20T23:13:48 < srk> Steffanx: especially as my codebase grows larger
2017-12-20T23:13:56 < stvn> hello all cool stm32 people
2017-12-20T23:14:05 < Steffanx> Hello stm32 mate
2017-12-20T23:14:20 < srk> Ultrasauce: yeah, I'm using SolidPython to generate openscad, rest is the same :) although slic3r is crashing here on nixos
2017-12-20T23:14:32 < srk> CNC toolchain isn't any better
2017-12-20T23:14:56 < Ultrasauce> i imagine there are some all-proprietary turnkey workflows that are smooth
2017-12-20T23:14:59 < srk> but we can e.g. mill PCBs with only open source sw
2017-12-20T23:15:26 < srk> there's no good & open general purpose CAM though
2017-12-20T23:15:32 < Ultrasauce> yeah of course not
2017-12-20T23:15:52 < srk> HeeksCAD & HeeksCAM is usable but not even comparable to e.g. f360
2017-12-20T23:15:58 < englishman>  nice, i just landed a rigid-flex project
2017-12-20T23:16:05 < Ultrasauce> distrap looks freakin neato
2017-12-20T23:16:32 < Steffanx> englishman, business is getting better...?
2017-12-20T23:16:55 < englishman> well i will be taking january off just to get up to date on finances
2017-12-20T23:17:04 < englishman> but this is small and i can sneak it in
2017-12-20T23:17:07 < srk> Ultrasauce: lots of TODOs though
2017-12-20T23:17:15 < stvn> rigid pro
2017-12-20T23:18:02 < srk> Ultrasauce: but it's progressing nicely, writing driver for AMS5047 (magnetic encoder) atm
2017-12-20T23:22:22 < PaulFertser> https://github.com/distrap/can4disco/blob/master/src/C4D/SLCAN.hs <-- sense
2017-12-20T23:24:58 < srk> hm?
2017-12-20T23:26:04 < PaulFertser> I wanted some code example directly available to the channel wisdom to judge :)
2017-12-20T23:27:21 < srk> yeah, this is the first UART parser I wrote, not exactly pretty but quite solid, never had any issue with that since I wrote it :)
2017-12-20T23:28:01 < Ultrasauce> i haven't learned me a haskell for a great good yet so cant judge too well
2017-12-20T23:28:34 < PaulFertser> srk: where're the CAN timings calculated?
2017-12-20T23:29:50 < srk> PaulFertser: https://github.com/GaloisInc/ivory-tower-stm32/blob/master/ivory-bsp-stm32/src/Ivory/BSP/STM32/Peripheral/CAN/Peripheral.hs#L152
2017-12-20T23:31:05 < PaulFertser> srk: hm, it doesn't account for the line length. Wouldn't work for e.g. 5km I'm afraid.
2017-12-20T23:32:23 < srk> I see. I'm only going to run it at short distances though - for example servo on some CNC
2017-12-20T23:32:34 < srk> using 1Mbit mostly
2017-12-20T23:33:09 < PaulFertser> :)
2017-12-20T23:33:17 < Ultrasauce> i feel like if you're flashing random haskell open sauce to stuff on a 5km can bus you've got other problems than the comms not working
2017-12-20T23:33:31 < srk> and also want to experiment with CAN over EtherCAT
2017-12-20T23:38:37 < srk> Ultrasauce: if the properties ivory gives you are not enough you can use verification
2017-12-20T23:39:35 < srk> but I was quite convinced as they (Galois) have managed to port ArduCopter and even find some bugs during the process
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2017-12-20T23:45:16 < karlp> srk: why can over ethercat? whhat's wrong with ethercat itself?
2017-12-20T23:46:42 < karlp> how do 3dprinters suck so bad that you can't control them with USB?
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2017-12-20T23:47:11 < Ultrasauce> are you implying that my shittalking has a limited factual basis??
2017-12-20T23:48:15 < Ultrasauce> karlp: you can control them over usb just fine but both their firmware and the pc host software usually suck a lot
2017-12-20T23:49:31 < Ultrasauce> and guaranteeing that the software and host os are not going to shit themselves for 12+ hours is not always tenable
2017-12-20T23:50:22 < karlp> aand because of hot runny shit, they aren't conducive to start/stop.
2017-12-20T23:54:52 < srk> Ultrasauce: nope :)
2017-12-20T23:55:04 < Ultrasauce> oh starting and stopping is perfectly doable, figuring out exactly where in the print the program failed is the hard part
2017-12-20T23:55:19 < srk> easily solved with batteries :)
2017-12-20T23:55:21 < srk> or FRAM
2017-12-20T23:55:38 < Ultrasauce> yes modern firmware can do it with sdcard printing
2017-12-20T23:56:01 < srk> karlp: I think of etherCAT as just a transport. don't know what protocols ppl actualy run it with
2017-12-20T23:56:14 < srk> except for CANOpen and maybe sercos
2017-12-20T23:57:04 < srk> sercos seems servo specific, CANOpen supports wide range of nodes, with eCAT you just don't have restrictions on PDO size and don't have to solve SYNCs
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2017-12-21T00:01:14 < jadew> agilent has gone 180 degrees when it comes to design openness
2017-12-21T00:01:52 < jadew> I'm attempting to repair one of their newer instruments and it seems like they're making an effort to route everything on the internal layers
2017-12-21T00:02:24 < jadew> needless to say, not even a block diagram is available
2017-12-21T00:04:21 < jadew> it has a MCU that's always on, for the soft power button and it refuses to turn the thing on (doesn't even want to turn the power LED on)
2017-12-21T00:04:46 < jadew> so it must make the decision to not power the thing on, but it's impossible based on what
2017-12-21T00:04:50 < jadew> because it has 40 IOs
2017-12-21T00:05:52 < stvn> [][][]
2017-12-21T00:06:02 < stvn> fucking ST
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2017-12-21T00:34:45 < Steffanx> stvn comes from a land down under
2017-12-21T00:35:03 < stvn> wtf is that
2017-12-21T00:35:04 < stvn> :D
2017-12-21T00:35:28 < Steffanx> Where theepots glow and men plunder
2017-12-21T00:35:47 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-21T00:35:57 < stvn> is that theepot song the nation anthem of the netherlands
2017-12-21T00:36:12 < Steffanx> Dont you know CRT at Work - down under?
2017-12-21T00:36:48 < stvn> yes i've heard the song and it's shit
2017-12-21T00:36:52 < stvn> lol
2017-12-21T00:37:00 < Steffanx> Noo
2017-12-21T00:37:43 < stvn> oh and many years later it was found to be a rip off of some other works
2017-12-21T00:38:05 < stvn> to me this is hilarious cause the patriotic aussies would have a real sook over that
2017-12-21T00:38:30 < Ultrasauce> where phosphors glow and then render?
2017-12-21T00:38:58 < stvn> yeah something like that
2017-12-21T00:41:23 < stvn> meanwhile at .nl land https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5B0QdCXS9w
2017-12-21T00:45:55 < Steffanx> Let me find you our bestest singer of today stvn
2017-12-21T00:46:12 < Steffanx> Luckily for you he made a new song in english
2017-12-21T00:46:37 < stvn> that's boring
2017-12-21T00:48:55 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/9KzOZPRv5rs nsfw
2017-12-21T00:49:09 < Steffanx> For stvn's eyes only
2017-12-21T00:50:07 < stvn> This video contains content from rinuszingt. It is not available in your country.
2017-12-21T00:50:11 < stvn> whjut
2017-12-21T00:50:56 < Steffanx> Damnit
2017-12-21T00:51:23 < stvn> it probably contains information regarding the secret dutch theepot smashing olympic sport
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2017-12-21T01:30:38 < Laurenceb_> sup tards
2017-12-21T01:30:40 < Laurenceb_> http://akemalhammar.fr/frigus_hsink.html
2017-12-21T01:30:46 < Laurenceb_> useful warez
2017-12-21T01:31:58 < stvn> HI LAURENCE
2017-12-21T01:32:18 < stvn> oh chinked
2017-12-21T01:32:26 < stvn> i've got some heatsink design coming up actually
2017-12-21T01:33:01 < stvn> my go to was 'there is never a heatsink too large'
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2017-12-21T01:38:29 < stvn> welcome back bgdwiepp
2017-12-21T01:39:02 < BrainDamage> is that what your mom said?
2017-12-21T01:40:03 < BrainDamage> faprenceb: http://www.miscel.dk/MiscEl/miscel.html you can ignore the out of date warning
2017-12-21T01:41:01 < stvn> ty
2017-12-21T02:01:31 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: but can it do heat sinks?
2017-12-21T02:02:06 < Laurenceb_> I was just using it to sanity check CFD sims
2017-12-21T02:02:15 < stvn> cfd
2017-12-21T02:02:43 < Laurenceb_> for the lulz I tried simming some of this guys shit
2017-12-21T02:02:44 < Laurenceb_> http://greengage.global/
2017-12-21T02:03:12 < Laurenceb_> he was trying to build a fanless 200W greenhouse light
2017-12-21T02:03:20 < stvn> hah
2017-12-21T02:03:23 < Laurenceb_> for 4 years and megabux, and failing
2017-12-21T02:03:25 < stvn> have fun with that
2017-12-21T02:03:33 < stvn> dah thermalz maaaate
2017-12-21T02:03:51 < Laurenceb_> he had a much of autistic requirements
2017-12-21T02:03:58 < stvn> of course
2017-12-21T02:04:01 < stvn> the perfect arrangement
2017-12-21T02:04:13 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: only non forced convection, there's still plenty of nice things in
2017-12-21T02:04:18 < Laurenceb_> mass <1kg, greenhouse temp 45C, led temp <65C in direct sun in 45C greenhouse
2017-12-21T02:05:12 < Laurenceb_> these things actually come close http://www.newscenter.philips.com/newsletters/lighting/HORTI/2014/01/nl/art1.jpg
2017-12-21T02:05:36 < BrainDamage> is this for pot farming
2017-12-21T02:05:53 < Laurenceb_> lulyes
2017-12-21T02:06:20 < Laurenceb_> but those Phillips ones get LEDs to ~70C at 20C ambient
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2017-12-21T02:06:32 < Laurenceb_> also they weigh about 10kg and are 1.3m long
2017-12-21T02:07:02 < stvn> yes
2017-12-21T02:07:10 < stvn> i went through all of this autism
2017-12-21T02:07:18 < Laurenceb_> they cost megabux and would self destruct in an actual greenhouse
2017-12-21T02:07:24 < Laurenceb_> for ur pot farm?
2017-12-21T02:07:34 < stvn> nah
2017-12-21T02:07:53 < stvn> just 'evaluating' some garbage chinasourced led shit that was failing
2017-12-21T02:08:07 < stvn> every single aspect of it was laughable
2017-12-21T02:08:22 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-12-21T02:08:32 < Laurenceb_> anyway I made it meet the specs in CFD
2017-12-21T02:08:33 < Laurenceb_> just
2017-12-21T02:08:44 < stvn> mayba mabye maybe 1000 hours of life would be stretching it
2017-12-21T02:09:03 < Laurenceb_> 900grams total mass with a 300mm tall plastic "chimney" on the top
2017-12-21T02:09:18 < stvn> i wonder what your junction temps would be
2017-12-21T02:09:34 < Laurenceb_> 65C at 45C ambient in the sim
2017-12-21T02:09:41 < stvn> cool
2017-12-21T02:09:50 < Laurenceb_> with 130W dissipated as heat
2017-12-21T02:09:57 < stvn> these were easily 90 degrees C at 17 C ambient
2017-12-21T02:10:02 < stvn> it was beyond laughable
2017-12-21T02:10:06 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah I reduced the power a bit to about 170W
2017-12-21T02:10:07 < Laurenceb_> lol
2017-12-21T02:10:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah LEDs need to be kept cool
2017-12-21T02:10:23 < stvn> absolutely
2017-12-21T02:10:35 < BrainDamage> what radiant intensity tought
2017-12-21T02:10:44 < BrainDamage> it's easy to keep shit cool if your strip is large
2017-12-21T02:10:47 < Laurenceb_> a simple chimney they optimised fin thickness does the trick
2017-12-21T02:10:59 < Laurenceb_> this was 450mm * 15mm strip
2017-12-21T02:11:03 < stvn> the autistic design
2017-12-21T02:11:10 < stvn> i wish i still had pics
2017-12-21T02:11:13 < Laurenceb_> but with 60mm fins off either side
2017-12-21T02:11:38 < Laurenceb_> so about 140mm * 450mm * 300mm total size
2017-12-21T02:12:22 < stvn> oh yeah this is the company http://www.sunstagelight.com
2017-12-21T02:12:30 < stvn> the worst led garbage imaginable
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2017-12-21T02:13:11 < Laurenceb_> so anyway the greengauge guy spent megabux and years slaving by trial and error
2017-12-21T02:13:21 < Laurenceb_> when an hour or so of CFD and the problem is solved
2017-12-21T02:13:25 < Laurenceb_> so much fail
2017-12-21T02:13:26 < BrainDamage> sell him the solution
2017-12-21T02:13:29 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-12-21T02:13:48 < Laurenceb_> pity off the shelf heatsinks are so overpriced or I'd start making them
2017-12-21T02:13:49 < stvn> hehehe
2017-12-21T02:14:03 < Laurenceb_> ratio of price of Alu to price of heatsinks is daft
2017-12-21T02:14:13 < stvn> the old price
2017-12-21T02:14:26 < BrainDamage> are heatsinks forged or machined typically?
2017-12-21T02:14:49 < Laurenceb_> extruded
2017-12-21T02:14:50 < stvn> good queshin
2017-12-21T02:14:53 < upgrdman_> speaking of heat transfer... for submerged cooling, is water the best bet? or something safe with >heatCapacity available?
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2017-12-21T02:14:58 < stvn> oh yes i've seen extruded
2017-12-21T02:15:07 < Laurenceb_> but the optimised CFD is close to baking foil grade
2017-12-21T02:15:20 < Laurenceb_> and baking foil costs close to the value of the Alu...
2017-12-21T02:16:04 < upgrdman> i remember water cooling the MLCCs on my induction heater :) and seeing water boil on them
2017-12-21T02:16:10 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: water works fine, water actually has huge heat capacity, the problem tends to be water is a too good solvent, so you need to conformal coat errything
2017-12-21T02:16:21 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-21T02:16:35 < Laurenceb_> yeah atm actual pro LED greenhouse lights use water cooling
2017-12-21T02:16:47 < Laurenceb_> i.e. the ones that actually work and dont self destruct
2017-12-21T02:17:14 < upgrdman> and i suppose a small water leak in a greenhouse isnt a big deal
2017-12-21T02:17:45 < Laurenceb_> yeah, tbh I dont see the big deal about fanless air cooled lighting
2017-12-21T02:17:48 < englishman> hid is still > led
2017-12-21T02:17:58 < Laurenceb_> but greenguage guy is obsessed with it
2017-12-21T02:18:00 < englishman> all this chatting about leds is just wasting time and making them more expensive than hid
2017-12-21T02:18:04 < upgrdman> englishman, hid has better efficiency?
2017-12-21T02:18:17 < englishman> no idea but they are like 1/5000 price
2017-12-21T02:18:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah last time I looked hid was still orderline better
2017-12-21T02:18:25 < englishman> and pretty damn efficient
2017-12-21T02:18:26 < Laurenceb_> there is that too :P
2017-12-21T02:18:30 < upgrdman> englishman, do you even TCO bro
2017-12-21T02:18:33 < Laurenceb_> and 0 cooling issues
2017-12-21T02:18:37 < englishman> ^
2017-12-21T02:19:08 < englishman> and ballasts are cheap and can be placed in low humidity areas or sealed
2017-12-21T02:19:09 < Laurenceb_> so led greenhouse lamps are pretty autistic
2017-12-21T02:19:27 < upgrdman> is xeon "hid" ?
2017-12-21T02:19:32 < Laurenceb_> but they are the new awesome tech so it must be worth buying
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2017-12-21T02:35:57 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: xenon is
2017-12-21T02:36:05 < upgrdman> k
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2017-12-21T02:36:43 < tpw_rules> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_lamp this is the only good lamp technology
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2017-12-21T02:38:06 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_lamp#Carbon_arc_lamp
2017-12-21T02:38:36 < Laurenceb_> 5 bar sulphur plasma O_o
2017-12-21T02:39:07 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-12-21T02:39:14 < tpw_rules> isn't that great
2017-12-21T02:39:21 < tpw_rules> my fav part is the guaranteed to knock out wifi in a one mile radius
2017-12-21T02:39:26 < Laurenceb_> this sounds like my idea for first light fusion
2017-12-21T02:39:29 < BrainDamage> i was about to comment that
2017-12-21T02:39:37 < Laurenceb_> ~5bar microwave heated plasma :P
2017-12-21T02:39:48 < BrainDamage> with the excuse that the 2.4GHz ism range is ffa, everyone treats it as a dump
2017-12-21T02:40:22 < Laurenceb_> apart from medical device people who think 2.4Ghz bluetooth is a sensible protocol to use
2017-12-21T02:40:41 < tpw_rules> > bluetooth
2017-12-21T02:40:44 < tpw_rules> > sensible protocol
2017-12-21T02:45:42 < Laurenceb_> heh https://hackaday.com/2017/12/20/aluminum-foil-heatsink-keeps-leds-in-check/
2017-12-21T02:47:32 < Cracki> uh
2017-12-21T02:47:37 < Cracki> or just get a pipe from the hw store
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2017-12-21T02:53:14 < Laurenceb_> wew internet dramaz
2017-12-21T02:53:42 < Laurenceb_> amazing atheist livestreamed himself ringing rageafterstorm wurk and getting her fired
2017-12-21T02:53:44 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-12-21T02:54:05 < Laurenceb_> more dramaz than any soap opera
2017-12-21T02:55:55 < Laurenceb_> https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8iRuTeRpigM/WXpMbWCX7HI/AAAAAAAAGdg/fQeDXyGjpmwEuMRWBYOTFvQFKV7bctXHgCLcBGAs/s1600/e1d9933e016aae9070824466528525483fc18c39.jpg
2017-12-21T02:55:58 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-12-21T02:56:38 < Laurenceb_>  /cow/ is in overdrive
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2017-12-21T03:05:14 < emeb> nice nosepiercing
2017-12-21T03:07:32 < Laurenceb_> she is probably homeless now lol
2017-12-21T03:08:22 < Laurenceb_> >amazing athiest tries to be relevant in le current year
2017-12-21T03:12:33 < emeb> fired for not sufficiently sensitive?
2017-12-21T03:14:38 < Laurenceb_> for being a /pol/ack
2017-12-21T03:16:39 < Laurenceb_> trolls all the way down
2017-12-21T03:23:21 < emeb> true dat
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2017-12-21T04:03:15 < Laurenceb_> oh wow FH is on the pad
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2017-12-21T04:11:03 < Laurenceb_> oh no its in shed
2017-12-21T04:11:08 < Laurenceb_> but there are photos
2017-12-21T04:13:31 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=42705.0;attach=1466003;image
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2017-12-21T04:29:56 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/9xnboypos2501.jpg
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2017-12-21T04:52:09 < upgrdman> typical american   https://i.redd.it/44v48wdva6501.jpg
2017-12-21T04:52:19 < upgrdman> how are things, R2COM?
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2017-12-21T05:10:12 < upgrdman> cool
2017-12-21T05:17:27 < tpw_rules> isn't that the one that doesn't work
2017-12-21T05:34:33 < tpw_rules> i thought there was some errata on like all of their chips where spi2 didn't work
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2017-12-21T06:18:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EJGOz6yA6o
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2017-12-21T06:41:31 < dongs> no, ive looked at it and looks sane
2017-12-21T06:42:26 < dongs> im using SPI2 on F405 and it works, but there's no AF for it on PA12 or wahtever. seems to be new only on F76x
2017-12-21T06:42:35 < dongs> do you have USB enabled?
2017-12-21T06:42:37 < dongs> isnt that also on PA12?
2017-12-21T06:42:48 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-21T06:42:51 < dongs> USB is PA11/12
2017-12-21T06:45:02 < dongs> USB has been on those pins in every family that had USB
2017-12-21T06:45:09 < dongs> i doubt they would change that for F7
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2017-12-21T09:37:54 < dongs> BREAKING: Male driver in white car approaches tram stop filled with pedestrians in Melbourne, Australia, accelerates abruptly, and hits multiple people, injuring at least 13, including a child in serious condition with a head injury. Eyewitness: "The car mowed everybody down, people were flying everywhere". The driver has been arrested; no word as to
2017-12-21T09:37:59 < dongs>           whether or not he belongs to a religion founded by prophet Muhammad during the 7th century
2017-12-21T09:38:03 < dongs> RIP stvn
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2017-12-21T10:02:07 < Steffanx> Lol excellent way to spend your day off stvn
2017-12-21T10:17:39 < ohsix> heyyy anyone remember who told me tha tit would probably be ok to sample shift inputs for a beam former on a device without sample & hold on all the mux inputs
2017-12-21T10:18:36 < ohsix> i think i have a reason why that can't work, or at least can't work cheaply, due to what happens when they're used together in the beam former
2017-12-21T10:20:03 < ohsix> guess this is more succinct than what i was going to say: Fourier transform is not shift invariant. In other words, a shift in the time domain does not correspond to a shift in the frequency domain.
2017-12-21T10:21:07 < ohsix> hm, i could just accept a bias along the sampling axis, and compensate. or interleave channels so the average arrival time is lower
2017-12-21T10:21:22 < ohsix> naively i was planning on just using the mux to linear scan over the inputs
2017-12-21T10:22:20 < ohsix> if i sampled it center out, like 7 5 3 1 2 4 6
2017-12-21T10:24:20 < ohsix> https://www.embedded.com/design/configurable-systems/4007186/Digital-Signal-Processing-Tricks--Frequency-Translation-without-multiplication noice
2017-12-21T10:24:29 < ohsix> now i want a handbook that has things like this in it
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2017-12-21T10:44:43 < dongs> that would be triggering
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2017-12-21T10:58:42 < gnom> hi all
2017-12-21T10:59:04 < gnom> who is: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history
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2017-12-21T11:00:30 < Swappage> o/ hello everyone
2017-12-21T11:02:21 < gnom> christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODE
2017-12-21T11:05:05 < dongs> lol
2017-12-21T11:06:35 < Swappage> sorry as this might sound like a dumb question, but i'm trying to figure out a thing: i have this assembly instruction on an stm32l1 MCU "str    r2, [r1, #12]" and r1 = 0x40004400. According to the memory map on the datasheet that address should be USART, does this mean that this instruction is supposed to result as a write to the USART peripheral? should i see something on the serial port?
2017-12-21T11:08:48 < dongs> only if the usart is actually setup to do something in response to a write..
2017-12-21T11:08:55 < dongs> and if that address is actually USARTx->DR address
2017-12-21T11:09:54 < Swappage> 0x40004400 is USART2 i don't know what you mean by DR sorry but i'm just taking my first steps in the stm32 world :)
2017-12-21T11:10:14 < dongs> why are you starting with retarded shit like ASM?
2017-12-21T11:10:28 < Swappage> i'm trying to figure out what's going on with a device that appears to be bricked somehow :) and i don't have the source
2017-12-21T11:11:11 < dongs> UPDATE: Video shows Melbourne police arrest driver who rammed into crowd after he was pulled from the vehicle unconscious; driver appears to have a dark beard, dark eyes and of dark complexion
2017-12-21T11:11:32 < raek> Swappage: toggling a pin might be an easier first step
2017-12-21T11:11:45 < dongs> he appears to be reverse enginereing somehting
2017-12-21T11:12:11 < Swappage> dongs: indeed, but not for a malicious purpose, it's something i own
2017-12-21T11:12:13 < Swappage> just in case
2017-12-21T11:12:19 < raek> but for any peripheral (pin or uart or whatever) you need to set up some registers before they work
2017-12-21T11:12:46 < invzim> he, was just checking oz cities when this popped up
2017-12-21T11:13:02 < raek> so you might want to practice on a gpio pin first and then continue to seting up the uart
2017-12-21T11:13:03 < Swappage> the main function has a bunch of functions for setting up different peripherals, like LCD, RTCs and such,
2017-12-21T11:13:52 < Swappage> then it goes into the loop where it does things
2017-12-21T11:14:12 < Swappage> only that it keeps on rebooting and i'm trying to figure out where it hangs
2017-12-21T11:14:52 < raek> do you have the source code?
2017-12-21T11:14:58 < Swappage> raek: no :)
2017-12-21T11:15:12 < Swappage> it would have been much easier that way
2017-12-21T11:15:28 < raek> (also, DR = data register, the one uart register you write to to send a value)
2017-12-21T11:16:13 < Swappage> raek: kk, i should poke at the USART port and see if it's actually writing something there
2017-12-21T11:16:31 < raek> Swappage: also, have you considered using a debugger? you could step through the machine code (and it sounds like you already have reverse engineered parts of what it does)
2017-12-21T11:16:53 < Swappage> raek: i'm using the debugger right now
2017-12-21T11:17:06 < Swappage> i'm attached to it with openOCD and GDB
2017-12-21T11:17:11 < Swappage> stepping through functions
2017-12-21T11:17:51 < Swappage> the hard parts is when it jumps the execution in the SRAM, because i only have that code at run time
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2017-12-21T11:19:43 < raek> Swappage: also, are you familiar with the USART chapter of the Reference Manual for the chip?
2017-12-21T11:20:07 < Swappage> raek: not really, i'm reading through the datasheet at the moment
2017-12-21T11:20:37 < raek> the reference manual describes what configuration registers there are and how you set them up
2017-12-21T11:20:48 < Swappage> getting familiar with addresses and what they mean, like "this is USART, this is LCD, this is RCC" and so on trying to map what gets stimulated and where by the code
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2017-12-21T11:22:54 < raek> for example, see page 693 here: http://www.keil.com/dd/docs/datashts/st/stm32f10xxx.pdf
2017-12-21T11:23:16 < raek> there are seven different registers (the data register is only one of them)
2017-12-21T11:23:17 < Swappage> the code in the SRAM is what kills me softly because i cant read it statically in a "nice" disassembler
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2017-12-21T11:24:28 < Swappage> for instance, now it returned from a function in the flash to a branch of code in SRAM and i'm doomed, because.. well, GDB is not really that user friendly when analyzing branches :)
2017-12-21T11:25:11 < zyp> dongs, saw mail
2017-12-21T11:25:11 < Swappage> but maybe you are right, i shoulòd check in the main function, where it sets up the different GPIO and PINs to see how they are set up first
2017-12-21T11:25:18 < raek> hmm. can't you dump the SRAM using GDB to a file and disassemble it using for example objdump?
2017-12-21T11:25:46 < raek> then you can look at it "offline"
2017-12-21T11:26:19 < Swappage> raek: mmhh... clever... openOCD allows me to get a binary dump of the SRAM indeed
2017-12-21T11:27:54 < raek> arm-none-eabi-objdump -b binary -D file.bin # or something like that
2017-12-21T11:28:45 < zyp> dongs, according to digikey pricing, housings/contacts would be about $1.5/ea @100, so I'm not sure there's much to save on clones
2017-12-21T11:29:22 < dongs> zyp, yeah. i actually got clarification after i sent email, its just a combination of shitty socket and bunch of work needing to crimp it.
2017-12-21T11:29:30 < dongs> since it is 20-something wires and shit.
2017-12-21T11:29:38 < dongs> not gonna get much cheaper.
2017-12-21T11:29:54 < zyp> yeah, it seems reasonable enough
2017-12-21T11:31:05 < zyp> also, 24awg is the fattest they are rated for
2017-12-21T11:31:14 < zyp> so all wires 24awg should be fine
2017-12-21T11:31:35 < karlp_> Swappage: I still don't understand why you think the sram is somehow "harder" to debug than the flash, it's just code at a different address, there's nothign else different about it.
2017-12-21T11:32:31 < zyp> it shouldn't matter much, the board doesn't consume much power and the input is 48V, so the current is pretty low
2017-12-21T11:33:03 < zyp> the one I have sitting on my desk is currently drawing like 30mA
2017-12-21T11:33:31 < Swappage> karlp_: it's visually harder to figure out branches and have a "wider view" of it as it exists only at runtime, might be my noobness no doubt, but i like having a good view of the whole thing before drilling down
2017-12-21T11:35:07 < PaulFertser> Swappage: normally code is copied to sram somewhere early in the reset vector, so it should be easy to figure out which flash portion gets relocated to which sram address. And I'm certain you can just tell IDA that "look, this code is relocated there".
2017-12-21T11:37:02 < dongs> zyp, okay
2017-12-21T11:37:34 < karlp_> englishman: can hid lights do changing spectral balance over day and growth cycle? I think not! leds >> hid ;)
2017-12-21T11:37:39 < Swappage> PaulFertser: it might also be that the code gets unpacked when copied to SRAM, so it might not be a 1:1 map from the flash
2017-12-21T11:38:16 < PaulFertser> Swappage: might be but that'd be unusual. If the code is not encrypted of course.
2017-12-21T11:39:15 < jadew> early christmas present straight from dongsland: http://5.12.11.127/stuff/20171221_112912.jpg
2017-12-21T11:39:48 < jadew> now I can solder outside, like a boss
2017-12-21T11:41:01 < Swappage> made in japan... top quality stuff very nice jadew
2017-12-21T11:41:19 < jadew> yep, it's really nice
2017-12-21T11:41:48 < jadew> it's the one weller are rebranding as their top of the range butane soldering iron
2017-12-21T11:47:53 < jadew> turns on really fast and easy
2017-12-21T11:48:03 < jadew> but I don't like the tip
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2017-12-21T11:57:41 < zyp> dongs, coworker is asking if they insist on making 100 or if there's anything to save on buying less
2017-12-21T11:59:07 < dongs> lemme see
2017-12-21T12:15:14 < Swappage> i think i'm getting a grasp for it, except for the first few calls in the main function that points to 0xE0.... where the datasheet states cortex M3 internal peripherals are stored, i wonder if this might be related to some sort of security context or such
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2017-12-21T12:19:47 < dongs> zyp, 20% price up, and MOQ 25pcs.
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2017-12-21T12:20:04 < dongs> and still checking if they can crimp that pin
2017-12-21T12:20:21 < dongs> if not, and they have to buy/make jig for it then they're not gonna bother with 25
2017-12-21T12:24:04 < zyp> ah, sounds good
2017-12-21T12:24:47 < dongs> will know that later today/tomrorow (crimp stuff)
2017-12-21T12:25:43 < zyp> $6/ea @25 is better than I expected, will probably go with that if they can crimp it
2017-12-21T12:27:42 < dongs> ok!
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2017-12-21T12:42:11 < PaulFertser> Swappage: what address specifically?
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2017-12-21T12:43:41 < Swappage> PaulFertser: 0xe0042000
2017-12-21T12:43:53 < karlp> Swappage: make sure you're readidng the reference manual, not just the datasheet.
2017-12-21T12:44:22 < PaulFertser> Swappage: on stm32 it contains ID code, a number specific for the part.
2017-12-21T12:44:41 < Swappage> PaulFertser: thanks
2017-12-21T12:45:23 < PaulFertser> Swappage: it's not unique to each IC, it's just a model number basically.
2017-12-21T12:45:25 < Swappage> anyway, this thing might contain personalized firmware, in the firmware itself, there is a string that is a specific reference to the serial number of the device, not the model, the serial, which is different for every device...
2017-12-21T12:46:41 < Swappage> they might be doing nasty tricky things with the code lioke maybe deriving keys from it.. i think this project of mine of understanding how this thing works is waaay more complex then i was expecting in the beginning
2017-12-21T12:46:55 < dongs> you should give up on it
2017-12-21T12:47:07 < Swappage> dongs: why? :(
2017-12-21T12:48:00 < karlp> have you at at least _contacted_ the vendor and said, "hey, it hangs, help plz" ?
2017-12-21T12:49:19 < Swappage> karlp: no, not yet, but i'm not planning to.. that'd spoil the fun
2017-12-21T12:49:35 < dongs> which part of having a non-working product you paid for is fun
2017-12-21T12:49:51 < Swappage> dongs: research
2017-12-21T12:50:03 < zyp> debugging can be fun, in the way solving a puzzle is fun
2017-12-21T12:50:50 < dongs> not wiht openocd
2017-12-21T12:50:55 < Swappage> dongs: i don't need this to get back to a working condition, i just want to figure out how it got to this state and why :)
2017-12-21T12:51:02 < dongs> at least ozone is a usable debugger
2017-12-21T12:51:06 < dongs> if you have jlink
2017-12-21T12:51:15 < dongs> but openopcd+gdb? no thanks
2017-12-21T12:51:51 < zyp> Swappage, what sort of device is it? what is it supposed to do and what is it doing instead?
2017-12-21T12:52:41 < dongs> clearly an IOT device
2017-12-21T12:53:10 < Swappage> zyp: ^
2017-12-21T12:53:25 < zyp> that's not very descriptive
2017-12-21T12:54:02 < Swappage> zyp: it's an IoT device, it measures things like temperature and such, domotic stuff, and it just boot loops instead of getting me to the UI
2017-12-21T12:54:37 < zyp> and you have debugger access?
2017-12-21T12:54:51 < Swappage> i managed to get debugger access via SWD :)
2017-12-21T12:55:27 < zyp> I'd start by setting breakpoints on the fault handlers, to see if it's triggering a fault, which the fault handler tries to recover from by resetting
2017-12-21T12:55:32 < Swappage> it wasn't planned to.. but i happened to find SWD pads exposed
2017-12-21T12:56:09 < Swappage> zyp: that's interesting... i didn't know there was a fault handler.. where can i read more about it and figure out how to break on it?
2017-12-21T12:56:32 < zyp> what's your experience level?
2017-12-21T12:57:01 < PaulFertser> Swappage: take the cortex-m reference manual, it specifies locations for the exception handlers, you'll get them from your flash dump.
2017-12-21T12:57:04 < Swappage> with assembler, quite good, with software debugging quite good.. with MCUs? nearly zero :D i'm using this as a learning experience/exercise
2017-12-21T12:57:12 < zyp> okay
2017-12-21T12:57:21 < zyp> as PaulFertser said, start with the cortex-m TRM
2017-12-21T12:58:17 < Swappage> oki... thanks
2017-12-21T12:58:27 < PaulFertser> Swappage: alternatively, if hw watchdog is enabled, you might want to simply disable it via option byte, and then you just let it run, then stop and check backtrace, xPSR values, https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/armv7m-vecstate-zippe.gdb etc
2017-12-21T12:58:54 < zyp> ah, right, forgot about the watchdog
2017-12-21T12:58:59 < Swappage> PaulFertser: yes it sets up watchdog, i'm quite sure
2017-12-21T12:59:32 < zyp> in that case you can set watchpoints on the IWDG/WWDG registers to find out where it's enabled, then patch that out
2017-12-21T12:59:54 < PaulFertser> Swappage: stm32s have several ways to do that, it can be enabled by hardware or it can be enabled at runtime. If you have the second, just skip that part by setting a breakpoint before the write, then change pc to skip it and continue.
2017-12-21T12:59:55 < zyp> I assume you've dumped the firmware to a file already?
2017-12-21T13:00:07 < PaulFertser> Yes, watchpoints help a lot there!
2017-12-21T13:00:54 < Swappage> PaulFertser: i think it gets set up by the main function
2017-12-21T13:00:57 < Swappage> i need to check twice
2017-12-21T13:01:11 < Swappage> i've noticed a code path accessing the address of the watchdog peripheral
2017-12-21T13:03:04 < Swappage> yes there is a function stimulating the IWDG peripheral so.. i think that's when watchdog gets set up
2017-12-21T13:04:02 < dongs> no thats probably the function poking watchdog every few whateversr.
2017-12-21T13:04:37 < dongs> i dont understand this fucking swim shit
2017-12-21T13:04:46 < dongs> looking at trace back from official STLINK
2017-12-21T13:04:51 < dongs> it doesnt follow the protocol
2017-12-21T13:05:35 < Swappage> dongs: but it's not in the loop, it's before the loop
2017-12-21T13:06:03 < dongs> Synchronization frame description: a synchronization frame of 128 x SWIM clocks
2017-12-21T13:06:03 < dongs> periods with the SWIM line at 0 is sent out by the MCU device to allow the
2017-12-21T13:06:05 < dongs> measurement of the HSI by the debug host.
2017-12-21T13:06:20 < dongs> that part is fine, and if I measure it, it ends up being like 7.8MHz which is reasonable
2017-12-21T13:06:33 < dongs> but hwen it goes to send next shit
2017-12-21T13:07:49 < dongs> One bit is generated with ten SWIM clock pulses: The bit format is: * 2 pulses at '0' followed by 8 pulses at '1' for '1' value. * 8 pulses at '0' followed by 2 pulses at '1' for '0' value.
2017-12-21T13:08:48 < dongs> 10 pulses would be 125ns*10 = 1.25us but stlink sends a frame 2.79us long
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2017-12-21T13:09:25 < dongs> also the fact that those are "high speed" bits, low speeed is supposed to be 2/20 pulses
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2017-12-21T13:09:59 < dongs> hm wait, thats 2.75 so thats pretty close
2017-12-21T13:12:44 < dongs> https://twitter.com/TedOnPrivacy/status/940588631709896704 haha buttcoin fucking lol
2017-12-21T13:19:13 < Swappage> zyp: sorry for the late reply, yes i've dumped the firmware both with openOCD (as bin file) and .hex file using mikroprog, imho the hex file is much better as it contains absolute addresses in the flash
2017-12-21T13:20:23 < Swappage> zyp: appearently it doesn't land into the exception handler, i've checked with vecstate macro i think the only option i have is to disable the watchdog and see where it dies
2017-12-21T13:20:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q2GWG3gjm_gE09PYZTVIh6_NwJc8kdwm/view?usp=sharing do you know how to shape those solder pad "guard" areas so that walls have slope for potential case of molding of enclosure?
2017-12-21T13:20:52 < karlp> Swappage: _the_ fault handler?
2017-12-21T13:20:55 < karlp> there's many.
2017-12-21T13:20:55 < dongs> what hteh hell is taht autism
2017-12-21T13:21:09 < karlp> vecstate macro is just for diagnosing when you're _in_ a fault.
2017-12-21T13:21:23 < karlp> disabling watchdog is a good idea.
2017-12-21T13:22:26 < kakimir> sled engine exploded
2017-12-21T13:22:34 < kakimir> I think
2017-12-21T13:22:50 < kakimir> metallic noises and stoped running
2017-12-21T13:23:45 < Swappage> karlp: there is an option byte somewhere when the program is running i assume?
2017-12-21T13:24:09 < dongs> isnt optionbytes just address in flash
2017-12-21T13:32:12 < Swappage> dongs: at the beginning of the flash i have: the initial stack pointer value, the entry point for the program, an address that repeats several time (0x80058C1) and a bunch of 0s if i go to that address it looks like it's just an instruction pointing to itself like an empty infinite loop doing nothing.. and that's it, then the code area starts
2017-12-21T13:32:31 < dongs> yeah, empty vector handlers
2017-12-21T13:32:47 < dongs> also last bit & 1 to signify its thumb code or someshit
2017-12-21T13:32:55 < dongs> in the jump address
2017-12-21T13:33:40 < dongs> also there's likely a bootloader involved
2017-12-21T13:33:51 < dongs> so you probly have vectors at 8000000 and somewehre higher
2017-12-21T13:34:00 < dongs> where the actual user app lives
2017-12-21T13:34:44 < Swappage> i can try dumping from 0x0 to 0x08000000 and see what's in there
2017-12-21T13:34:50 < Swappage> probably boot loader stuff
2017-12-21T13:34:58 < dongs> flash starts at 800000
2017-12-21T13:35:01 < dongs> + whatever zeros
2017-12-21T13:35:06 < dongs> 800000? or someshit
2017-12-21T13:35:12 < dongs> thats wehre bootloader is, if it exists
2017-12-21T13:35:33 < dongs> and 8010000 or wahtever (multiple of flash page(s)) is where userspace is
2017-12-21T13:35:38 < Swappage> the first value at 0x08000000 is the initial SP
2017-12-21T13:35:39 < dongs> depdning how big BL is
2017-12-21T13:35:58 < dongs> sure, its hte reset vector
2017-12-21T13:36:04 < dongs> if you ahve a bootloader, that always runs first
2017-12-21T13:36:08 < dongs> then hands over to userspace app.,
2017-12-21T13:36:19 < dongs> and sets SCB->VTOR with the new vector table address
2017-12-21T13:36:30 < dongs> you could let it boot + fail and check that and see if vector table is still at 0 or higher
2017-12-21T13:36:48 < dongs> or just look at the hex
2017-12-21T13:36:59 < dongs> if there's a bootlaoder involved tehres bound to be some blank FF's between it and real app
2017-12-21T13:37:11 < dongs> unless they used exactly 100% of the pages it occupies
2017-12-21T13:37:21 < Swappage> it doesn't looke like it, looks like it boots stright into the code
2017-12-21T13:37:37 < dongs> address that repeats several time (0x80058C1)
2017-12-21T13:37:45 < dongs> how much space is in that L1
2017-12-21T13:37:47 < dongs> flash
2017-12-21T13:38:15 < dongs> i.e how big is the firmware dump
2017-12-21T13:38:28 < Swappage> 1 sec
2017-12-21T13:40:08 < dongs> if you just look at the part number it tells you how much flash there is
2017-12-21T13:41:00 < Swappage> the hex file i've dumped has ana ddress space from 0x08000000 to 0x0805FE34
2017-12-21T13:41:21 < Swappage> but it's not filled up
2017-12-21T13:41:31 < dongs> based on the repeating handlers,i'm gonna guess there's a 24k bootloader at start.
2017-12-21T13:41:59 < dongs> go look at the hex for any spaces around 8006000
2017-12-21T13:42:32 < Swappage> there is code there
2017-12-21T13:42:51 < dongs> also what L1 has 384k+ flash
2017-12-21T13:43:43 < Swappage> let me take the magnifier
2017-12-21T13:43:48 < Swappage> i need it to check the chip name
2017-12-21T13:43:54 < Swappage> the exact part number and so on
2017-12-21T13:44:04 < Swappage> my sight is somewhat troublesome unfortunately
2017-12-21T13:46:15 < Swappage> it's an STM32L152
2017-12-21T13:46:26 < dongs> yes, I knew that much
2017-12-21T13:46:30 < dongs> whats hte rest of hte suffix
2017-12-21T13:46:39 < dongs> L152XY
2017-12-21T13:46:56 < dongs> i'm guessing its VE or someshit for that much flash
2017-12-21T13:46:58 < Swappage> o.. ok 1 sec
2017-12-21T13:48:03 < dongs> or maybe RE?
2017-12-21T13:50:32 < Swappage> well it's quite unreadable but
2017-12-21T13:50:35 < Swappage> i think it's....
2017-12-21T13:51:11 < dongs> teh rest of suffix should be on the next line
2017-12-21T13:51:14 < dongs> after STM32L151
2017-12-21T13:51:15 < Swappage> VG something?
2017-12-21T13:51:45 < dongs> VG doesnt exist. VE is largest
2017-12-21T13:51:48 < dongs> 512K
2017-12-21T13:51:50 < dongs> VG would be liek 1 meg
2017-12-21T13:51:56 < dongs> overkill foer internet of dicks device
2017-12-21T13:52:40 < PaulFertser> Swappage: "flash info 0", it reports the detected size and model and revision.
2017-12-21T13:54:56 < Swappage> st-util 1.4.0-13-g1969148
2017-12-21T13:54:57 < Swappage> 2017-12-21T06:54:30 INFO common.c: Loading device parameters....
2017-12-21T13:54:57 < Swappage> 2017-12-21T06:54:30 INFO common.c: Device connected is: L152RE, id 0x10086437
2017-12-21T13:54:57 < Swappage> 2017-12-21T06:54:30 INFO common.c: SRAM size: 0x14000 bytes (80 KiB), Flash: 0x80000 bytes (512 KiB) in pages of 256 bytes
2017-12-21T13:54:59 < Swappage> 2017-12-21T06:54:30 INFO gdb-server.c: Chip ID is 00000437, Core ID is  2ba01477.
2017-12-21T13:55:02 < Swappage> 2017-12-21T06:54:30 INFO gdb-server.c: Listening at *:4242...
2017-12-21T13:55:21 < Swappage> this is the st-util from stlink
2017-12-21T13:55:26 < Swappage> i thought this would be accurate
2017-12-21T13:55:28 < dongs> there you go
2017-12-21T13:55:56 < Swappage> ??
2017-12-21T13:56:04 < dongs> so its 152RE
2017-12-21T13:56:15 < dongs> anyway, i still think there would be a bootloader
2017-12-21T13:56:16 < Swappage> ah oki
2017-12-21T13:57:12 < Swappage> i need to take a break for lunch now as i'm starving... i think i'll be back in an hour or so.. after this i have some real work to do :( and have to put the fun on hold
2017-12-21T13:57:16 < PaulFertser> dongs: why do you reason there might be a bootloader based on the fact that there're several identical exception pointer vectors 0x80058C1?
2017-12-21T13:57:41 < dongs> PaulFertser: beacuse they're in the strang position of an otherwise huge flash dump
2017-12-21T13:58:09 < dongs> the  flash dump is ~380k
2017-12-21T13:58:14 < dongs> and these things are at around 20k
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2017-12-21T13:59:05 < Swappage> they are right at the beginning tho, right after the SP and the OEP there are these addresses
2017-12-21T13:59:11 < dongs> ...
2017-12-21T13:59:14 < Swappage> then immediatelly after there is a function
2017-12-21T13:59:18 < dongs> yes, i know what a vector table looks like
2017-12-21T13:59:29 < Swappage> sorry i wasn't meant to sound rude
2017-12-21T13:59:53 < dongs> you shoud look at the ref manual/datasheet for L152 for teh vector table
2017-12-21T13:59:54 < Swappage> brb
2017-12-21T14:00:01 < dongs> or at the startup .s file from stdperiph or so
2017-12-21T14:00:10 < dongs> then you can rename those addreses to known interrupt vectors
2017-12-21T14:00:57 < Swappage> o... oki i'm gonna do that
2017-12-21T14:01:50 < karlp> dongs: repeating handlers are just installing a dummy handler for all vectors, nothing to do with a bootloader
2017-12-21T14:01:51 < PaulFertser> dongs: that just probably depends on the linking order. I see in one project here based on st periph shitlibrary that the handlers come after all the user code, and at the beginning of st code.
2017-12-21T14:02:11 < dongs> karlp: not the fact that they're repeating. but where tehy are located
2017-12-21T14:02:23 < dongs> obviously repeated shit is just the usual goto self; shit in unhandled vectors
2017-12-21T14:02:41 < Swappage> according to the strings i can find in the code, it looks like it's been developed with the gnu toolchain
2017-12-21T14:02:52 < dongs> so sorry to hear that
2017-12-21T14:03:04 < karlp> dongs: just convention that people include vectors first, no reason to at all.
2017-12-21T14:03:12 < Swappage> so, i wonder if they just compiled the code, stripped the plain binary out of an ELF and then flashed it to the chip
2017-12-21T14:03:27 < karlp> Swappage: as opposed to what?
2017-12-21T14:03:59 < Swappage> karlp: dunno :) like using other tools like mikroC or other suite i don't know if they operate in the same way
2017-12-21T14:04:09 < Swappage> mikroC has its own bootloader?
2017-12-21T14:04:16 < dongs> is this drunk R2COM
2017-12-21T14:05:04 < karlp> dongs: https://zerobin.net/?4d6eff9136ec330d#yIy1sgl1W/HZuHYhmWm+K8GEoMcw/hdJAsorACmWHFw= is probably all you need to have your vector addresses be high in flash instead of low in flash
2017-12-21T14:05:15 < dongs> Swappage: http://binvis.io/#/
2017-12-21T14:05:37 < karlp> well, not like that actually, but something likethat.
2017-12-21T14:05:42 < dongs> Swappage: throw the .bin there, imgur resulting image
2017-12-21T14:05:53 < dongs> karlp: err, no, that would put vector table fuck knows where and nothing would boot
2017-12-21T14:05:56 < dongs> but i see waht youre saying
2017-12-21T14:05:59 < Swappage> dongs: is there an offline version of it?
2017-12-21T14:06:02 < dongs> ...
2017-12-21T14:06:27 < dongs> i've written one for gimp like 20 years ago
2017-12-21T14:06:50 < dongs> and, 20 years later, gimp is still garbage
2017-12-21T14:07:09 < Swappage> anyway, pasta is ready ^^ so i should really go for lunch.. i'm heading back to you later on today.. i'm really thankful for all the help you are providing i can't find a way to thank you enaugh
2017-12-21T14:12:16 < dongs> how do I get 84mhz-APB1 timer to make a claen 8MHz clock
2017-12-21T14:13:43 < karlp> sure you can. you can send us all stroopwaffels
2017-12-21T14:14:20 < karlp> dongs: what do you mean?
2017-12-21T14:14:37 < dongs> i donno im tryin to figure out a good way to calculate this SWIM bit stuff
2017-12-21T14:14:51 < dongs> each bit is 22 clock ticks @ 8mhz
2017-12-21T14:15:06 < dongs> so ideally i wanna set up CCR so i can write shit like 2, 20, 20, 2 to make bits
2017-12-21T14:16:04 < dongs> so period is 22 i guess
2017-12-21T14:18:11 < karlp> shoulda used stm32 instead of stm8 then, use your existing stm32 programmer :)
2017-12-21T14:18:16 < dongs> what
2017-12-21T14:18:20 < karlp> I take it you're doing programming of stm8 from stm32 host?
2017-12-21T14:18:21 < dongs> no, this is FOR programming STM8
2017-12-21T14:18:23 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-21T14:18:35 < karlp> yeah, but you'd already got a functional stm32 programming stm32 I thought?
2017-12-21T14:18:38 < karlp> shoulda stuck with it
2017-12-21T14:18:39 < karlp> ;)
2017-12-21T14:18:44 < dongs> oh, i do
2017-12-21T14:18:45 < dongs> it works fine
2017-12-21T14:18:52 < dongs> next addition to the code is stm8 programmer
2017-12-21T14:19:02 < karlp> why? 32 is 4 times moah than 8
2017-12-21T14:19:15 < dongs> stm8s qfn32 is like 20c
2017-12-21T14:19:21 < karlp> yes yes, I know, just playing :)
2017-12-21T14:19:22 < dongs> and I make DMX led receivers with it
2017-12-21T14:19:26 < dongs> like 1k at a time
2017-12-21T14:19:33 < dongs> and its a cunt to flash using STDP otr whaetver the fuck shit
2017-12-21T14:19:42 < karlp> how many leds are run off each stm8 like that?
2017-12-21T14:19:48 < dongs> one RGB :)
2017-12-21T14:19:48 < dongs> lol
2017-12-21T14:19:52 < dongs> a hueg one
2017-12-21T14:19:59 < karlp> what are they used with?
2017-12-21T14:20:02 < karlp> stages/clubs
2017-12-21T14:20:06 < dongs> building lighting ya
2017-12-21T14:20:12 < dongs> some are setup to drive bars, some just single led
2017-12-21T14:20:26 < dongs> its basicalyl a dmx reciver + big fets + some protection attempt in case of fire
2017-12-21T14:21:20 < dongs> stm8 has uart flash but only if you enable it in option byutes first
2017-12-21T14:21:33 < dongs> so theres no fucking benfit of doing uart if you still gotta swim that shit at first
2017-12-21T14:22:34 < karlp> this is for factory programming right?
2017-12-21T14:22:41 < dongs> ya
2017-12-21T14:23:03 < dongs> if by "factory" you mean my room but right.
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2017-12-21T14:30:39 < zyp> so what's the problem with swim? it's slow and you want to parallelize it or what?
2017-12-21T14:30:54 < dongs> no, im just implementing it
2017-12-21T14:31:06 < zyp> oh, okay
2017-12-21T14:31:12 < dongs> but parallelize once it works doenst sound liek a bad idea
2017-12-21T14:31:30 < zyp> the cheap shitty ebay stlinks aren't usable?
2017-12-21T14:31:36 < kakimir> so millenials are a thing
2017-12-21T14:31:48 < dongs> zyp, tehy need pc software and are shit
2017-12-21T14:31:50 < dongs> and the software is shit
2017-12-21T14:31:53 < zyp> ten of those or something hooked to a panel jig, and some script to run them all
2017-12-21T14:32:52 < zyp> well, sure, but hacking up some pc software to batch run them properly is probably less work than doing your own swim adapter
2017-12-21T14:33:45 < Laurenceb_> smarter than AC Grayling
2017-12-21T14:35:22 < karlp> openocd just grew stm8 support too...
2017-12-21T14:35:34 < Lux> seems like there is: https://github.com/vdudouyt/stm8flash but yah lunix
2017-12-21T14:36:12 < dongs> um
2017-12-21T14:36:15 < dongs> thats not the swim implementation
2017-12-21T14:36:19 < dongs> thats just shit to talk to a stdink
2017-12-21T14:37:09 < Lux> at least it'd be scriptable with stlink
2017-12-21T14:37:33 < Laurenceb_> 6 million dimensional poker and drumps going all in, tick tock
2017-12-21T14:38:42 < zyp> hmm
2017-12-21T14:39:00 < zyp> this shit wants to allocate >200k of .bss
2017-12-21T14:39:08 < zyp> I have 192k of sram total
2017-12-21T14:39:10 < zyp> fun fun
2017-12-21T14:40:22 < Steffanx> Dont do such thing zyp
2017-12-21T14:40:36 < zyp> blame my coworker
2017-12-21T14:41:31 < zyp> I'm doing the platform/networking/whatever stuff, he's doing the control algorithms, which is a blob that stacks on top of my stuff
2017-12-21T14:42:25 < zyp> I guess I'll probably have to spend some time after christmas optimizing that stuff, removing pointless and redundant stuff
2017-12-21T14:42:46 < zyp> and switching to more efficient data types
2017-12-21T14:43:14 < zyp> there's a bunch of bool-arrays in there that could be bitfields instead, and so on
2017-12-21T14:43:25 < zyp> and other stuff that doesn't make sense
2017-12-21T14:51:09 < PaulFertser> zyp: is it easy to swap an array of bools with std::bitset?
2017-12-21T14:52:17 < zyp> the control code stuff is simulink, generated to C
2017-12-21T14:52:29 < zyp> so just swapping it with C++ magic doesn't work so well :)
2017-12-21T14:52:51 < zyp> but eh, I'll work it out somehow
2017-12-21T14:52:55 < zyp> next year
2017-12-21T14:53:39 < PaulFertser> Hm, in fact, if it just uses [], it might just work, or am I missing something?
2017-12-21T14:58:49 < dongs> haha there's a swim impl for a fucking esp1488
2017-12-21T14:59:16 < dongs> https://github.com/rumpeltux/esp-stlink/blob/master/src/driver/swim.c
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2017-12-21T15:10:52 < dongs> hm so weird
2017-12-21T15:11:11 < dongs> sync pulse is so short (128 swim clks) that its impossible to duplicate it with any kinda accuracy
2017-12-21T15:11:18 < dongs> even running my sampling timer at 84mhz
2017-12-21T15:11:33 < dongs> thats only 1372 pulses, /128 is 10.7
2017-12-21T15:12:00 < dongs> i dont see how this can be used to "adjust" for a drifting HSI or something
2017-12-21T15:12:16 < dongs> cuz integer multiplier is already gonna be few % error if you pick say, 11
2017-12-21T15:12:24 < kakimir> recommend any conversion tool to automatically create path from bitmap logos?
2017-12-21T15:12:35 < dongs> whats a path
2017-12-21T15:12:38 < dongs> vector path?
2017-12-21T15:13:21 < kakimir> prefferably
2017-12-21T15:13:32 < dongs> google online raster to vector  conversion
2017-12-21T15:13:35 < dongs> expect it to be shit
2017-12-21T15:15:02 < kakimir> I try inkscape
2017-12-21T15:19:21 < jadew> any idea if it's possible to debug a microchip pic if you don't have the source code?
2017-12-21T15:19:29 < jadew> I have a binary dump, but that's about it
2017-12-21T15:19:51 < dongs> jadew, since its a pic, chances are wrwiting wahtever its doing from scratch on a real platform is faster
2017-12-21T15:20:32 < jadew> dongs, well, I may write new firmware, but it has to be for the same device
2017-12-21T15:20:47 < jadew> I can't get the damn board to power up, because this thing decides that it shouldn't
2017-12-21T15:21:02 < dongs> is it something worth more than $5
2017-12-21T15:21:03 < jadew> problem is that the multiple power rails have to be turned in in a particular sequence
2017-12-21T15:21:06 < jadew> yes
2017-12-21T15:21:19 < dongs> hmm i miscalculated something weird
2017-12-21T15:21:33 < jadew> it's a 3k frequency counter
2017-12-21T15:21:33 < dongs> ik get 8khz instead of 8mhz
2017-12-21T15:21:43 < dongs> oh more of your weird ebay gambling trash
2017-12-21T15:21:49 < dongs> well if your time is worthless its all a-ok
2017-12-21T15:21:50 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-21T15:22:36 < jadew> if I can get it fixed fast enough, it's worth it
2017-12-21T15:22:37 < Ecco> Hi
2017-12-21T15:22:52 < PaulFertser> jadew: PICs are often programmed in assembly so probably looking at disassembled binary wouldn't be too too hard. I once tried it and that seemed manageable.
2017-12-21T15:23:34 < Lux> dongs: 10.7 us would be 898.8 clock cycles at 84mhz
2017-12-21T15:23:45 < dongs> yeah sure
2017-12-21T15:23:50 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah, I was trying to avoid that, but I guess that's my only option
2017-12-21T15:23:51 < Lux> 10.7/(1/84)
2017-12-21T15:24:27 < Ecco> AN2606 says the embedded USB DFU bootloader supports standard memory areas (Flash, SRAM). Yet I can't manage to read the RAM of an STM32 using the built-in DFU bootloader
2017-12-21T15:24:33 < Ecco> is it actually possible?
2017-12-21T15:24:41 < dongs> ecco, i very much doubt it
2017-12-21T15:24:46 < dongs> it doesnt expose the ram range as readable
2017-12-21T15:24:50 < dongs> in the dfu tool
2017-12-21T15:25:15 < Ecco> Indeed it doesn't
2017-12-21T15:25:20 < Ecco> Yet the doc says it's possible
2017-12-21T15:25:40 < Ecco> AN2606, page 29, bottom chart
2017-12-21T15:26:17 < dongs> no
2017-12-21T15:26:23 < dongs> it dosnt say USB DFU bootloader
2017-12-21T15:26:26 < dongs> it says *bootloader*
2017-12-21T15:26:39 < dongs> you can read ram with the others
2017-12-21T15:26:48 < dongs> like uart
2017-12-21T15:27:24 < Ecco> https://imgur.com/a/SjvG4
2017-12-21T15:27:28 < Ecco> oh
2017-12-21T15:27:52 < Ecco> well, why would the USB one behave any differently?
2017-12-21T15:28:10 < dongs> i dont know, amybe you can hax it to read from ram using some opensores thing
2017-12-21T15:28:14 < Ecco> sorry, I meant if the USB one behaves differently, why would they word it this way?
2017-12-21T15:28:16 < dongs> ST's official app certainly doesnt support it
2017-12-21T15:30:34 < dongs> next question is why the fuck would you wanna read ram with USB DFU
2017-12-21T15:30:44 < dongs> you know its probably empty by the time it enters tehre, right?
2017-12-21T15:30:51 < dongs> unless you do some weird jumping from userspace into bootloader
2017-12-21T15:31:48 < Ecco> which is indeed what I started with :)
2017-12-21T15:31:56 < Ecco> I assumed reading the RAM then would be a given
2017-12-21T15:32:04 < Ecco> apparently not :-/
2017-12-21T15:32:20 < Ecco> It made me re-read the bootloader's datasheet
2017-12-21T15:32:24 < englishman> what's a lunix tool to copy a lotof shit (~1tb) and verify files / resume transfer
2017-12-21T15:32:33 < Ecco> rsync
2017-12-21T15:32:33 < dongs> robocopy.exe
2017-12-21T15:32:38 < dongs> oh, lunix, good luck
2017-12-21T15:32:43 < englishman> yeah :(
2017-12-21T15:32:51 < Ecco> englishman: rsync
2017-12-21T15:33:03 < dongs> i'm sure you can generate a mile -long command line involving tar, netcat, gzip, and some other obscure shit
2017-12-21T15:33:10 < Ecco> rsync :-D
2017-12-21T15:33:23 < dongs> Did you know? rsync is a shell script that calls tar, netcat and gzip internally
2017-12-21T15:33:28 < Ecco> :-D
2017-12-21T15:33:35 < Ecco> is it really?
2017-12-21T15:33:44 < Ecco> well it would make sense. Not that I care anyway
2017-12-21T15:34:11 < karlp> it's not.
2017-12-21T15:34:34 < karlp> and yeah, rsync is what I normally use for this.
2017-12-21T15:35:18 < dongs> ecco, whty the fudk do you want to read ram over usb
2017-12-21T15:35:22 < dongs> you still havent answered that
2017-12-21T15:36:34 < dongs> from bootlaoder of all places
2017-12-21T15:36:42 < dongs> which will likely use some of that ram for its internal shit
2017-12-21T15:36:50 < dongs> like buffers/whatever
2017-12-21T15:40:21 < englishman> Skipping directory ~~~
2017-12-21T15:40:28 < englishman> thats it
2017-12-21T15:42:02 < englishman> o it needs -a to do anything
2017-12-21T15:44:01 < englishman> karlp: lol. does the sun?
2017-12-21T15:48:01 < karlp> yeah, you use -a just like with cp -a...
2017-12-21T15:48:09 < karlp> does the sun what?
2017-12-21T15:48:17 < karlp> starting to go up again as of right now, yes. whee
2017-12-21T15:49:24 < englishman> can you change the sun's colour during the day
2017-12-21T15:49:41 < dongs> internet of sunny dicks
2017-12-21T15:49:47 < dongs> englishman: my pal received his glance clock
2017-12-21T15:49:56 < dongs> the app is rated 1.8 stars on google play
2017-12-21T15:49:57 < englishman> whats that
2017-12-21T15:50:00 < dongs> with nothing but complaints
2017-12-21T15:50:02 < dongs> its a dickstarter
2017-12-21T15:50:06 < englishman> nice
2017-12-21T15:50:10 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/glance-see-what-you-need-when-you-need-it-smartphone
2017-12-21T15:50:48 < englishman> someone paid for that? and he remains your pal?
2017-12-21T15:51:03 < dongs> haha. i've warned him numerous times against it
2017-12-21T15:51:06 < englishman> karlp: i have never used cp -a
2017-12-21T15:51:08 < englishman> what does it do
2017-12-21T15:51:13 < dongs> right now, nothing
2017-12-21T15:51:14 < englishman> cp copies files without using -a
2017-12-21T15:51:15 < dongs> since the app is useless
2017-12-21T15:51:18 < englishman> lol
2017-12-21T15:51:23 < karlp> copies recursivily and preserves all attrbitutes
2017-12-21T15:51:54 < englishman> the date of the new file is different from the source file if you dont use -a?
2017-12-21T15:52:34 < karlp> yes, just like cp.
2017-12-21T15:52:41 < Laurenceb_> cheese pizza
2017-12-21T15:52:48 < englishman> iw as talking about cp
2017-12-21T15:52:51 < englishman> thats weird
2017-12-21T15:52:54 < karlp> try it.
2017-12-21T15:53:13 < karlp> https://zerobin.net/?8f981ae31c133dde#vXJAlvx+2eOuv1Ey+Hn6SOFqAWEkMy1RulvwmZLkP10=
2017-12-21T15:53:26 < karlp> rsync just drops in for most basic arguments of cp.
2017-12-21T15:53:42 < Laurenceb_> how many slices?
2017-12-21T15:54:15 < karlp> -a is like a bunch of other options like recusrive and preserve ownership and modtime and all that crap.
2017-12-21T15:54:15 < englishman> i find that behaviour annoying
2017-12-21T15:54:25  * karlp shrugs
2017-12-21T15:54:33 < karlp> copy makes a _new_ copy?
2017-12-21T15:54:38 < karlp> I can understand wanting it both ways.
2017-12-21T15:54:46 < dongs> windows copypaste keeps date
2017-12-21T15:55:14 < karlp> different, not saying either is more right,
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2017-12-21T16:07:07 < englishman> yeah no when i copy a file i expect the same file to appear
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2017-12-21T16:33:45 < kakimir> any combustion engine specialist wanna hear https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12q2a-TUBg3ndk8jF6-q9qfaqgiG5I3G2?usp=sharing
2017-12-21T16:34:12 < kakimir> there is 0 pressure on flywheel
2017-12-21T16:34:16 < kakimir> it just spins free
2017-12-21T16:35:20 < englishman> it's jammu, janne
2017-12-21T16:35:25 < kakimir> jammu3.mp4 and first seconds
2017-12-21T16:35:37 < kakimir> flywheel does a free spin
2017-12-21T16:36:06 < kakimir> I think it's a sound of valves
2017-12-21T16:38:22 < tomeaton17> When you guys interface with serial port in c/c++ do you use a library or just directly access the file
2017-12-21T16:39:28 < dongs> the "file"?
2017-12-21T16:39:49 < tomeaton17> The /dev/ttyx
2017-12-21T16:39:53 < karlp> I don't use c/c++ for such madness
2017-12-21T16:39:57 < dongs> oh lunix
2017-12-21T16:40:05 < tomeaton17> or COM
2017-12-21T16:40:09 < karlp> have you seeeeen the amount of handling you need to do it right?
2017-12-21T16:41:22 < tomeaton17> Eh looks like boost has a class
2017-12-21T16:41:52 < karlp> libserialport from sigrok tries to wrap it up too
2017-12-21T16:42:00 < karlp> I thinkg qt has one as well.
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2017-12-21T17:14:33 < tomeaton17> Cool thanks
2017-12-21T17:14:40 < Ecco> Back on the topic of the embedded DFU bootloader
2017-12-21T17:14:49 < Ecco> Supposedly reading the RAM is possible
2017-12-21T17:14:59 < Ecco> "For the internal Flash memory, embedded RAM and system memory: read size can be from 2 to 2048 bytes"
2017-12-21T17:15:19 < Ecco> -> That's in AN3156, which specifically describes the USB DFU protocol used by the STM32
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2017-12-21T17:17:32 < Ecco> It even says "When writing to the RAM, you should take care not to overlap the first RAM memory used by the bootloader firmware."
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2017-12-21T17:40:32 < Swappage> dongs: finally i managed to finish the work work keeping me busy. i created an entropy graph of the flash: https://imgur.com/a/Fun7V
2017-12-21T17:48:37 < Ecco> ok, so dfu-util doesn't support it
2017-12-21T17:48:46 < Ecco> but if you do it manually, it does seem to be working
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2017-12-21T18:30:14 < tomeaton17> heh, the boost serial library is actually quite easy to use
2017-12-21T18:38:29 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: asio? Do you use callbacks or something fancier?
2017-12-21T18:45:27 < tomeaton17> PaulFertser: Haven't really got that indepth yet been using callbacks so far for a blocking read
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2017-12-21T19:18:16 < Laurenceb> anyone here ever messed about with ALSA config?
2017-12-21T19:24:16 < emeb> I hate ALSA
2017-12-21T19:25:30 < emeb> such a horribly convoluted architecture.
2017-12-21T19:25:48 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/yBEUnhLf
2017-12-21T19:25:53 < Laurenceb> I failed epinally
2017-12-21T19:25:57 < Laurenceb>  ...somehow
2017-12-21T19:26:17 < emeb> failure comes easily with ALSA
2017-12-21T19:26:31 < Laurenceb> no debug or anything...
2017-12-21T19:26:40 < Laurenceb> the rules.d part of my plan works perfectly
2017-12-21T19:27:01 < Laurenceb> card 2: TESTONE [STM32 Audio Class], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
2017-12-21T19:27:21 < Laurenceb> ^ I can hardcode names to the device serial number
2017-12-21T19:27:46 < Laurenceb> but then I need a composite virtual card
2017-12-21T19:27:57 < emeb> aha - you've got an STM32 running USB Audio class.
2017-12-21T19:28:01 < emeb> that's more interesting
2017-12-21T19:28:05 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-12-21T19:29:22 < emeb> These folks are using an F042 -> http://truenosynth.com/
2017-12-21T19:29:51 < emeb> usb audio class for input, plus some side channel stuff for driving the synth parameters
2017-12-21T19:32:06 < Steffanx> Cant you tell your mate to fuck off ReadErr / ReadError? :P
2017-12-21T19:32:25 < Laurenceb> emeb: wow that sounds pretty sweet
2017-12-21T19:32:27 < ReadError> hm?
2017-12-21T19:32:30 < Laurenceb> now back to ALSA...
2017-12-21T19:32:40 < englishman> hi steffy
2017-12-21T19:33:32 < karlp> no kickstarter love recently? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pokitmeter/a-multimeter-oscilloscope-and-logger-that-fits-in?ref=discovery
2017-12-21T19:36:00 < englishman> someone posted that iirc
2017-12-21T19:36:10 < englishman> 20khz bandwidth or something
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2017-12-21T19:44:56 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/5FZgGh.jpeg
2017-12-21T19:55:24 < ReadErr> lol the guy using it on his mavic before flying
2017-12-21T20:04:51 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: why do you have same device and subdevice for two different "hw"?
2017-12-21T20:05:19 < Laurenceb> oh yeah
2017-12-21T20:05:21 < Laurenceb> grrr
2017-12-21T20:05:40 < Laurenceb> device number isnt going to be the same in every instance
2017-12-21T20:05:52 < Laurenceb> rules.d only changes the name
2017-12-21T20:06:11 < Ultrasauce> i stay the fuck away from trying to do anything other than the default config for a device in alsa
2017-12-21T20:06:16 < Ultrasauce> anything fancier happens in jack
2017-12-21T20:07:00 < Laurenceb> oh
2017-12-21T20:07:05 < Laurenceb> so confusing :-S
2017-12-21T20:07:35 < Laurenceb> maybe I can just delete the device number and it will find it by name
2017-12-21T20:07:40 < Laurenceb> so chance....
2017-12-21T20:07:43 < Laurenceb> *somne
2017-12-21T20:09:29 < Ultrasauce> that usb synth is weird af
2017-12-21T20:09:31 < Laurenceb> I'll try this one
2017-12-21T20:09:33 < Laurenceb> https://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc#Virtual_multi_channel_devices
2017-12-21T20:12:44 < Laurenceb> hmf no luck
2017-12-21T20:13:01 < Laurenceb> maybe I need to reload the .asoundrc file or something?!
2017-12-21T20:14:04 < Laurenceb> lunix documentation is so much fail
2017-12-21T20:14:20 < Laurenceb> maybe someone has written a G.U.I. in visual basic to fix this
2017-12-21T20:14:57 < Ultrasauce> wxwidgets plz
2017-12-21T20:15:01 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-12-21T20:15:13 < Laurenceb> you'd think this was a fairly common problem
2017-12-21T20:15:30 < Laurenceb> I mean like home entertainment system and studio guys must have this issue every day
2017-12-21T20:15:41 < Ultrasauce> studio guys use jack
2017-12-21T20:15:58 < Laurenceb> ah
2017-12-21T20:16:44 < Laurenceb> oh shit wut
2017-12-21T20:16:56 < Ultrasauce> you want to use multiple devices in a way that appears to applications as one multichannel device?
2017-12-21T20:16:57 < Laurenceb> this looks identical to my existing config lol
2017-12-21T20:17:11 < Laurenceb> I think maybe I need to install jack for it to work or something
2017-12-21T20:17:23 < Laurenceb> Ultrasauce: yes
2017-12-21T20:17:28 < Ultrasauce> ah i dont think jack will solve that
2017-12-21T20:17:35 < Laurenceb> also multiple usb soundcards with persistent naming
2017-12-21T20:17:47 < Laurenceb> ^I've solved that laready with rules.d
2017-12-21T20:17:52 < Ultrasauce> that sounds like a good use case for suicidal ideation
2017-12-21T20:18:01 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: do you get errors with your config or something?
2017-12-21T20:18:13 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: I get nothing
2017-12-21T20:18:20 < Laurenceb> I suspect nothing is seeing my config
2017-12-21T20:18:48 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: no reload of anything is needed, ~/.asoundrc is read by every application on start when alsalib is initialised.
2017-12-21T20:18:48 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/Z9xSD7MD
2017-12-21T20:19:03 < Laurenceb> PaulFeretser: ah thats not good then
2017-12-21T20:20:00 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: I think -l will show you only hardware devices, try specifying the name to aplay/arecord.
2017-12-21T20:20:09 < Laurenceb> ah ok
2017-12-21T20:20:13 < Laurenceb> lets try this again
2017-12-21T20:22:25 < Laurenceb> hmf no nothing in audacity
2017-12-21T20:23:10 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: so what error message do you get with aplay with this device?
2017-12-21T20:23:37 < Laurenceb> havent tried aplay, just a sec
2017-12-21T20:25:09 < Laurenceb> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1700:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
2017-12-21T20:25:20 < Laurenceb> aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such device
2017-12-21T20:25:24 < PaulFertser> There's also LIBASOUND_DEBUG=1
2017-12-21T20:25:42 < Laurenceb> what as an argument
2017-12-21T20:25:58 < PaulFertser> It's an env variable
2017-12-21T20:26:43 < PaulFertser> Regarding invalid value, try hardcoding card numbers for starters
2017-12-21T20:27:01 < Laurenceb> yeah maybe I went ott
2017-12-21T20:27:10 < Laurenceb> I'll try just hardcoding it
2017-12-21T20:30:36 < Laurenceb> aha
2017-12-21T20:30:43 < Laurenceb> it appears in aplay -L
2017-12-21T20:30:53 < Laurenceb> some success at least...
2017-12-21T20:32:02 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: does aplay -Dhw:TESTONE some.wav work?
2017-12-21T20:33:35 < Laurenceb> erm no
2017-12-21T20:33:47 < Laurenceb> because TESTONE has now vanished
2017-12-21T20:33:58 < Laurenceb> I'm assuming because it is part of multi
2017-12-21T20:34:39 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: I mean for card parameter of hw plugin you can use the first word you see after card X: and before [ in aplay -l output.
2017-12-21T20:35:59 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-12-21T20:36:04 < Laurenceb> this isnt making much sense
2017-12-21T20:36:12 < Laurenceb> audacity can see my devices
2017-12-21T20:36:22 < Laurenceb> but there is nothing in aplay -l now
2017-12-21T20:36:41 < Laurenceb> and in aplay -L I only see multi, not the two devices
2017-12-21T20:36:51 < Laurenceb> but audacity doesnt see multi
2017-12-21T20:38:05 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: but you do not really need to "see" the card to use it. You can even configure alsa to create "playback devices" on the fly, with parameters coming from "card name" as you open it.
2017-12-21T20:38:23 < Laurenceb> right
2017-12-21T20:38:26 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: e.g. https://ac100.grandou.net/tips_and_tricks#dedicated_volume_controls_without_pulseaudio
2017-12-21T20:38:52 < Laurenceb> aplay -Dhw:TESTONE some.wav
2017-12-21T20:38:53 < Laurenceb> aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such file or directory
2017-12-21T20:39:17 < Laurenceb> wait thats trying to play
2017-12-21T20:40:15 < Laurenceb> ok it works
2017-12-21T20:40:29 < Laurenceb> so the devices are there but hidden to aplay -l and -L now
2017-12-21T20:40:37 < Laurenceb> after I changed the config file
2017-12-21T20:41:26 < Laurenceb> looks like I prob have something missing from my config
2017-12-21T20:41:31 < Laurenceb> so its not working properly
2017-12-21T20:42:31 < Laurenceb> config is loading and doing _something_
2017-12-21T20:45:19 < upgrdman> FUCK. wtf does altium make net labels *not* case-sensitive.
2017-12-21T20:45:31 < upgrdman> just fed 12V directly into a GPIO on my FPGA :(
2017-12-21T20:49:15 < Laurenceb> oh yeah
2017-12-21T20:49:17 < Laurenceb> shit works
2017-12-21T20:49:51 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/98Q9CdAm
2017-12-21T20:49:59 < Laurenceb> nasty hardcoded shit but it works
2017-12-21T20:50:39 < Laurenceb> >tfw spacex use embedded lunix for their shit
2017-12-21T20:51:08 < Laurenceb> https://archive.li/XVrSS/972762878f889fba9e8591c75585d1f5fc2501d8.jpg
2017-12-21T21:03:37 < aandrew> I would hate case sensitive net labels
2017-12-21T21:04:01 < aandrew> upgrdman: you should not apply 12V directly to input pins on FPGAs. Clearly you are not pro
2017-12-21T21:04:36 < Ultrasauce> what if vss is 9V
2017-12-21T21:04:50 < aandrew> especially if you are naming your nets SIGNAL and signal to denote safety
2017-12-21T21:05:40 < upgrdman> aandrew, EEs need to be more disciplined. if nets can use upper and lower case letters, the two cases should not be equal
2017-12-21T21:06:08 < upgrdman> but ya, fail on my part for only using case to differentiate a pair of nets
2017-12-21T21:07:22 < PaulFertser> aandrew: next time you say lo1 and lol should be treated as the same net ;)
2017-12-21T21:07:32 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/y905DX1y
2017-12-21T21:07:38 < Laurenceb> flawless victory
2017-12-21T21:07:42 < Laurenceb> thanks for the help
2017-12-21T21:08:25 < Laurenceb> just need a script to write config files automatically from a csv of sensor locations or something now
2017-12-21T21:09:06 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: heh. So why you decided to declare those pcms in their own blocks, and not just slaves.a.pcm hw:TESTONE?
2017-12-21T21:09:32 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah I guess that would be simpler
2017-12-21T21:09:34 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/3e6ymPkE
2017-12-21T21:09:45 < Laurenceb> ^the rules file, hex is the stm32 unique id
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2017-12-21T21:10:50 < PaulFertser> Yeah, the rules are fine.
2017-12-21T21:11:41 < Laurenceb> guess embedded lunix is kind of cool, its just the documentation that sucks
2017-12-21T21:11:58 < Laurenceb> so now I can plug together any old shit with usb adaptors and the channels will always be the same
2017-12-21T21:12:31 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: you can also do something like bindings.1 { slave a; channel 1 }
2017-12-21T21:12:45 < Laurenceb> ah thats less verbose
2017-12-21T21:12:47 < Laurenceb> thanks
2017-12-21T21:12:52 < englishman> is there a decent embedded lunix + arm cortex board out there
2017-12-21T21:13:09 < PaulFertser> slaves.a { pcm hw:TESTONE; channels 10 }
2017-12-21T21:13:23 < Ultrasauce> englishman: what do you need the mcu for? most socs have a decent array of peripherals
2017-12-21T21:13:40 < Ultrasauce> oh i read cortex-m for some reason
2017-12-21T21:13:42 < englishman> ws2812b
2017-12-21T21:13:59 < Ultrasauce> whats the jitter tolerance?
2017-12-21T21:14:16 < englishman> i dono, i guess enough that there isnt anything out there for ragepberripi yet
2017-12-21T21:15:27  * Laurenceb is using rageberry
2017-12-21T21:15:36 < Laurenceb> explaining my rage earlier
2017-12-21T21:15:37 < Ultrasauce> the beagleboner has some onboard logic stuff doesnt it
2017-12-21T21:15:55 < Laurenceb> lol beagleboner
2017-12-21T21:16:02 < Laurenceb> it makes rpi look pro
2017-12-21T21:18:04 < Ultrasauce> https://github.com/osresearch/LEDscape
2017-12-21T21:18:17 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: and you can also use array assignment syntax: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/conf.html
2017-12-21T21:19:10 < Laurenceb> interesting
2017-12-21T21:19:50 < Laurenceb> so  slaves.a { pcm hw:TESTONE; channels 10 } adds all ten channels?
2017-12-21T21:29:26 < srk> englishman: screw these, get a esp8266, flash it with nodemcu and be done with it :D
2017-12-21T21:29:38 < englishman> pretty much
2017-12-21T21:29:41 < srk> ws2812 with rpi is just PITA
2017-12-21T21:29:52 < srk> switched all mine to EPSs
2017-12-21T21:30:21 < srk> esp-open-rtos has an example of driving these with i2s iirc
2017-12-21T21:30:29 < srk> if you want more powa
2017-12-21T21:30:33 < srk> or even fadecandy
2017-12-21T21:35:21 < aandrew> PaulFertser: :-)
2017-12-21T21:35:40 < aandrew> < Laurenceb> guess embedded lunix is kind of cool, its just the documentation that sucks
2017-12-21T21:35:53 < aandrew> ever try to make a change to devicetree? shoot me in the fucking face
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2017-12-21T21:36:00 < Laurenceb> heh
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2017-12-21T21:36:13 < Laurenceb> or read kernel driver code
2017-12-21T21:43:40 < aandrew> I generally don't have issue there
2017-12-21T21:43:54 < aandrew> in fact I find kernel code largely pretty readable. it mirrors the way I like to code for the most part
2017-12-21T21:52:09 < ohsix> aandrew: what kind of change?
2017-12-21T21:52:48 < PaulFertser> aandrew: do you prefer editing C code in machine files?
2017-12-21T21:53:22 < aandrew> ohsix: add a new device or class, try to track down the exact path for how the hell you get a value in the driver from the DT
2017-12-21T21:53:41 < aandrew> PaulFertser: no no no, I undersatnd and appreciate DT, I'm just saying editing the dt files is a royal pain in the ass
2017-12-21T21:53:53 < aandrew> editing C code in machine files is *way* easier but inherently unmaintainable
2017-12-21T21:55:04 < PaulFertser> aandrew: :)
2017-12-21T21:55:09 < ohsix> hm getting values is ez, and there's lots of drivers that do it; the class, i dunno
2017-12-21T21:55:23 < ohsix> only slightly worse than writing the driver by itself
2017-12-21T21:56:39 < ohsix> i guess if you didn't know about openfirmware already, the code would be hard to find in the first place
2017-12-21T21:58:15 < aandrew> ohsix: it is easy in theory but when adding new DT entries I had trouble with the drivers not finding the right shit
2017-12-21T21:58:30 < aandrew> or shit like interrupts, wtf does <5 0 1231 0> mean - it's not standardized
2017-12-21T22:05:12 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: it doesn't add bindings, it just collapses those two lines you have for slaves.a into one.
2017-12-21T22:05:29 < Laurenceb> ah
2017-12-21T22:06:40 < ohsix> https://github.com/devicetree-org/devicetree-specification/blob/master/source/devicetree-basics.rst#interrupts-and-interrupt-mapping
2017-12-21T22:07:58 < ohsix> heh level/sense encoding
2017-12-21T22:08:41 < ohsix> does the interrupt controller map a set of values onto what the controller can do, or are they all encoded for the interrupt controller being used
2017-12-21T22:15:48 < aandrew> I've been all through that on a recent project. the docs don't tell the whole truth
2017-12-21T22:16:01 < aandrew> vendors make completely fucking arbitrary DT values
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2017-12-21T22:16:54 < marttyn> Hey guys
2017-12-21T22:17:11 < marttyn> I need help with adding a graphical TFT/LCD display to my project
2017-12-21T22:17:40 < marttyn> I don't have an idea about how to interface it, which libraries to use etc.
2017-12-21T22:17:48 < ohsix> https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/application-note/AN5125.pdf
2017-12-21T22:18:10 < ohsix> aandrew: yea they do, at least for interrupt numbers
2017-12-21T22:18:20 < ohsix> they have some mapping that goes on so there's one composite number
2017-12-21T22:18:49 < ohsix> and it does look like the flags for level sense come from the interrupt controller
2017-12-21T22:20:12 < marttyn> Guys does anyone here have experience with TFT displays, controllers and libraries?
2017-12-21T22:20:23 < marttyn> I would be really glad for any sort of help
2017-12-21T22:21:09 < Laurenceb> hmm my devices arent syncronised
2017-12-21T22:21:13 < Laurenceb> this is really weird
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2017-12-21T22:22:41 < ohsix> the 3rd and 4th parameter also depend on the interrupt controller
2017-12-21T22:22:50 < ohsix> you only need 2 for 'simple' interrupt controllers
2017-12-21T22:22:51 < Laurenceb> about 500ppm offset between my sensors.. maybes
2017-12-21T22:23:32 < Laurenceb> has anyone here used CRS on F042 for usb?
2017-12-21T22:24:25  * Laurenceb is sending pulses to scope using HAL_GetTick(), but the time is drifting between devices
2017-12-21T22:24:26 < aandrew> marttyn: start small is my recommendation
2017-12-21T22:24:31 < aandrew> what LCD are you looking at
2017-12-21T22:24:48 < aandrew> are we talking parallel bus, some SPI controller-based, what?
2017-12-21T22:25:21 < marttyn> I've been looking into the SPI controller based ones from ebay
2017-12-21T22:25:21 < Laurenceb> is there a CRS deadzone ?
2017-12-21T22:25:34 < marttyn> But also parallel, that is promising too
2017-12-21T22:25:39 < aandrew> marttyn: ok, so look at one of them that is already well supported by several libraries
2017-12-21T22:25:50 < marttyn> Which libraries are popular?
2017-12-21T22:25:51 < aandrew> I'm spacing on the exact part number that is popular, SSDsomething I think?
2017-12-21T22:26:07 < marttyn> Are there any libraries that readily support graphics and multiple SPI based displays?
2017-12-21T22:26:22 < marttyn> Preferably free of course..
2017-12-21T22:26:42 < aandrew> stemwin is offered right off of ST's website
2017-12-21T22:27:11 < marttyn> ST7735 controller for example
2017-12-21T22:27:18 < marttyn> Yeah but I heard there are issues with it
2017-12-21T22:27:24 < marttyn> Which ones do you guys use
2017-12-21T22:27:37 < marttyn> I mean issues with the stemwin library
2017-12-21T22:27:43 < marttyn> Not the st7735
2017-12-21T22:28:16 < aandrew> ah, SSD1306 is OLED not TFT
2017-12-21T22:28:34 < aandrew> it's funny
2017-12-21T22:28:48 < aandrew> I thought this would be a quick google search away and was going to chide you for that, but I'm struggling to find a list
2017-12-21T22:28:53 < aandrew> I know there is one, I've seen it
2017-12-21T22:29:29 < marttyn> I mean the entry barrier for STM32 is high as hell.. coming from AVR
2017-12-21T22:29:55 < marttyn> And this TFT display stuf.. I've been struggling with it a lot
2017-12-21T22:30:19 < aandrew> stemwin, u8glib, something on mikroe.com too
2017-12-21T22:30:40 < marttyn> Do you have experience with any of them? Which would you recommend
2017-12-21T22:31:10 < aandrew> http://download.mikroe.com/documents/compilers/mikroc/arm/help/tft_library.htm
2017-12-21T22:31:15 < aandrew> no, none of my stuff has ever used LCDs
2017-12-21T22:31:17 < aandrew> others here have
2017-12-21T22:31:21 < aandrew> dongs used something with stm32
2017-12-21T22:31:45 < aandrew> he's in .jp so he'll wake up in a few hours and is usually pretty surly for a few hours after that yet :-)
2017-12-21T22:32:08 < Laurenceb> oh SYNCOK status
2017-12-21T22:32:10 < Laurenceb> I fail
2017-12-21T22:32:52 < Laurenceb> tiem to rewrite my codez to extract fake system time from usb drivers
2017-12-21T22:33:14 < marttyn> Dongs? Alright, well I'll ask this question here a couple more times tomorrow too
2017-12-21T22:33:21  * Laurenceb thought CRS would make system clock actually sync to usb
2017-12-21T22:34:42 < marttyn> Okay thanks aandrew
2017-12-21T22:34:55 < marttyn> You helped start me off somehow
2017-12-21T22:35:36 < marttyn> Now I need to wait untill someone can guide me further, someone which already interfaced some TFTs
2017-12-21T22:35:53 < aandrew> dammit, I can't find that damn library reference anymore
2017-12-21T22:35:55 < marttyn> Thanks for the resources again aandrew, I will look into them
2017-12-21T22:36:12 < aandrew> I'd be hitting up github and searchign for ILI9488
2017-12-21T22:36:20 < marttyn> I will still be here checking what you find
2017-12-21T22:36:24 < marttyn> Thanks a lot man
2017-12-21T22:37:43 < aandrew> ok
2017-12-21T22:37:55 < aandrew> good luck, this shouldn't be hard but I'm failing at it at the moemnt
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2017-12-21T22:41:30 < marttyn> Shouldn't be, but I've been struggling with it for a LOT of time..
2017-12-21T22:57:25 < aandrew> what have you tried
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2017-12-21T22:59:31 < tpw_rules> ili9348 is nice
2017-12-21T22:59:47 < stvn> good work
2017-12-21T22:59:51 < tpw_rules> very easy to interface, but it's 98% stupid
2017-12-21T23:00:09 < englishman> they all are
2017-12-21T23:00:28 < stvn> ~~~
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2017-12-21T23:01:55 < ohsix> hardware is dumb
2017-12-21T23:02:05 < ohsix> i need to write something succinct on why that is
2017-12-21T23:02:40 < ohsix> hardware is weird in that you can just abandon part of it in the documentation, or tell people not to do stuff in an ecn, and continue producing the device for 30 years
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2017-12-22T00:03:36 < Swappage> good eveningz
2017-12-22T00:04:43 < Steffanx> What? Is it a good evening, do you want it to be one, do you wish us one.. what is it, Swappage
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2017-12-22T00:09:22 < zyp> Steffanx, is your evening not good? :(
2017-12-22T00:09:49 < Steffanx> It was ok sir zyp
2017-12-22T00:10:04 < zyp> I'm sorry to hear that
2017-12-22T00:10:12 < stvn> stupid fucking aussies
2017-12-22T00:10:13 < zyp> what can I do to make it better than just ok?
2017-12-22T00:10:45 < Steffanx> Ill just end the evening and go to sleep zyp ;)
2017-12-22T00:10:52 < zyp> aww
2017-12-22T00:11:01 < stvn> goodnight steffans
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2017-12-22T00:23:02 < ohsix> wonder what post modern hardware design would look like
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2017-12-22T00:36:25 < upgrdman> "how can i make it better?" -> "terminate it"
2017-12-22T00:38:53 < ohsix> it's already kind of postmodern but that the information can be withheld from the user that gets it makes it weird
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2017-12-22T01:07:28 < Ultrasauce> the maker movement is postmodern engineering
2017-12-22T01:29:23 < Swappage> Steffanx: it's a wish for everyone to be a good evening
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2017-12-22T01:51:07 < englishman> Ultrasauce: you mean postengineering
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2017-12-22T02:12:21 < Laurenceb_> siamese
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2017-12-22T02:45:58 < Laurenceb_> I fail epically
2017-12-22T02:46:05 < Laurenceb_> ALSA can do all muh resampling
2017-12-22T02:48:39 < Laurenceb_> https://www.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2017/12/21/18/poundland-002-0.png
2017-12-22T02:48:42 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-12-22T03:01:26 < Swappage> uh?
2017-12-22T03:01:48 < Laurenceb_> weird adverts
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2017-12-22T04:09:34 < dongs> Swappage: see, there's obviously separate blocks
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2017-12-22T04:49:51 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/943536841797533696
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2017-12-22T05:19:37 < upgrdman> these weird MLCCs with what looks like 4 terminals... why? is that some low-ESL type?  https://youtu.be/CB-jQkHrizo?t=2377
2017-12-22T05:21:10 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: yea
2017-12-22T05:22:22 < dongs> why do you waste time looking at rossman shit
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2017-12-22T05:29:27 < upgrdman> tpw_rules, but why that way? seems like the inverted sizes make more sense (e.g. instead of 1206, 0612)
2017-12-22T05:29:43 < upgrdman> dongs, i just play him in the bg when im reading other shit
2017-12-22T05:29:51 < dongs> upgrdman: play LRH in background instead
2017-12-22T05:29:55 < upgrdman> sometimes he brings up interesting shit
2017-12-22T05:29:58 < upgrdman> wuts lrh
2017-12-22T05:29:59 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: current flows in one axis and out the other
2017-12-22T05:30:06 < tpw_rules> i saw a diagram of it like 2 days ago
2017-12-22T05:30:08 < dongs> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwuR2BCe7qI
2017-12-22T05:30:51 < dongs> hmm
2017-12-22T05:30:59 < dongs> im failing to get altidumb to generate crosshatch pour
2017-12-22T05:31:08 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: https://www.murata.com/~/media/webrenewal/products/emiconfun/emc/2013/05/28/en-20130528-p1/en-20130528-p1_img0004.ashx?la=en&h=373&w=550
2017-12-22T05:32:12 < MrMobius> L Ron Hubbard?
2017-12-22T05:32:47 < MrMobius> http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/LRH_technology
2017-12-22T05:32:51 < upgrdman> tpw_rules, ahh thx!
2017-12-22T05:35:38 < upgrdman> random q: how long does a pair of shoes typically last you
2017-12-22T05:35:55 < upgrdman> 1000km? 1500?
2017-12-22T05:38:29 < dongs> who teh fuck measures that shit
2017-12-22T05:38:32 < dongs> maybe o6
2017-12-22T05:38:36 < dongs> or some other autistic fuck
2017-12-22T05:39:01 < upgrdman> lol  k
2017-12-22T05:48:00 < englishman> dongs this is the worst lrh ever
2017-12-22T05:48:33 < dongs> by far
2017-12-22T05:48:38 < dongs> <timecop> todays LRH: ruined by  weev
2017-12-22T05:48:38 < dongs> <timecop> jewtube closed, dislike clicked
2017-12-22T05:48:42 < dongs> just tweeted this in l0dechan
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2017-12-22T06:51:38 < dongs> http://www.fedevel.com/designhelp/forum/main-forum/altium/5932-polygon-pour-hatch-missing-track ???
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2017-12-22T08:21:33 < ohsix> suez
2017-12-22T08:22:23 < ohsix> Ultrasauce: how? some aspects are, but i dunno if generally
2017-12-22T08:22:58 < ohsix> are you talking about people who play with LEDs and hot glue and have fun, or people doing 'serious' things (i don't discriminate, but people have different conceptions of 'makers')
2017-12-22T08:23:42 < ohsix> loool upgrdman & shoes query, i sort of did; not in terms of miles tho, they lasted almost precisely a year
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2017-12-22T08:24:28 < ohsix> for 'miles' you could do accelerated testing :>
2017-12-22T08:24:56 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/yJocTJc.jpg
2017-12-22T08:25:42 < ohsix> hm heh you can buy shoe testing machines relatively cheap
2017-12-22T08:26:07 < ohsix> there might be a youtube channel or blag in there, who on earth actually tests shoes besides shoe companies
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2017-12-22T08:46:06 < dongs> pump it up
2017-12-22T08:50:08 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/jVbQHPo.png
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2017-12-22T08:59:07 < stvn> Money talks, trannies walk
2017-12-22T09:01:40 < stvn> Steffanx is flying over to Australia on his holiday
2017-12-22T09:02:29 < dongs> what have you been pumping now that you don't have to clean out jizz from DJ consoles
2017-12-22T09:02:34 < dongs> more STM32 I hope?
2017-12-22T09:03:39 < stvn> analogue electronics for now
2017-12-22T09:04:17 < stvn> I wonder what toolchain for DSP
2017-12-22T09:04:29 < stvn> I've only ever used AD Visual(lol)DSP
2017-12-22T09:05:42 < stvn> http://www.analog.com/en/design-center/processors-and-dsp/evaluation-and-development-software/vdsp-bf-sh-ts.html#dsp-relatedsoftware
2017-12-22T09:05:47 < stvn> tis kinda cool i guess
2017-12-22T09:07:17 < stvn> I have 3 embedded projects on the backburner i was meant to start a while after my company came together.... maybe i can continue
2017-12-22T09:12:14 < dongs> sharc more like shart
2017-12-22T09:14:09 < stvn> probably
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2017-12-22T09:16:46 < stvn> dongs: what have you been creating?
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2017-12-22T09:17:09 < dongs> just autism mostly
2017-12-22T09:17:24 < dongs> too busy with dickstarter shit and assembly
2017-12-22T09:17:30 < stvn> fair
2017-12-22T09:17:43 < stvn> seems autism is in fashion
2017-12-22T09:18:56 < Steffanx> Theepot.
2017-12-22T09:19:04 < dongs> wtf is that?
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2017-12-22T09:19:07 < dongs> ive seen you say that shit before
2017-12-22T09:19:23 < stvn> dutch
2017-12-22T09:19:27 < dongs> oh sounds ilek some .bl shit
2017-12-22T09:19:29 < dongs> er .nl yea
2017-12-22T09:20:01 < dongs> http://static.blokker.be/blkbe/homepage/banners/footer_usp_blokker_VL.jpg
2017-12-22T09:20:24 < stvn> mm
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2017-12-22T10:04:10 < ohsix> http://www.analog.com/en/design-center/evaluation-hardware-and-software/evaluation-boards-kits/adalm-pluto.html lul rip ettus
2017-12-22T10:04:24 < ohsix> Frequency Range: 325 – 3800 MHz (default), 70 – 6000 MHz (with firmware hack)
2017-12-22T10:05:00 < ohsix> full duplex too
2017-12-22T10:07:23 < ohsix> nngh
2017-12-22T10:07:30 < ohsix> i got 150 bux that i want analog to have more than me
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2017-12-22T10:22:58 < Steffanx> Blame stvn, dongs.
2017-12-22T10:24:18 < stvn> m?
2017-12-22T10:25:16 < stvn> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0
2017-12-22T10:37:02 < stvn> We know that you can’t have innovation without risk. EngInsure provides a range of insurance solutions designed specifically for engineers.
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2017-12-22T11:08:19 < stvn> welcome back r2
2017-12-22T11:10:26 < dongs> BB8COM
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2017-12-22T11:32:20 < stvn> 66666
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2017-12-22T12:03:27 < stvn> gay
2017-12-22T12:04:09 < kakimir> bubba
2017-12-22T12:04:23 < stvn> kekimir
2017-12-22T12:04:44 < kakimir> how is projects stvn ?
2017-12-22T12:05:17 < stvn> good
2017-12-22T12:07:17 < stvn> do you still have LED there
2017-12-22T12:07:34 < kakimir> I have LED jubb
2017-12-22T12:07:39 < stvn> yea
2017-12-22T12:07:48 < stvn> wut you make?
2017-12-22T12:08:30 < kakimir> portable led lights
2017-12-22T12:08:42 < kakimir> torches etc.
2017-12-22T12:13:30 < stvn> yes
2017-12-22T12:13:38 < stvn> buck or boost?
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2017-12-22T12:24:43 < stvn> answer me you fucking nigger
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2017-12-22T12:25:45 < dongs> why not both
2017-12-22T12:26:03 < stvn> eta
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2017-12-22T12:28:17 < Swappage> dongs: you suggest the first part of the code is the bootloader?
2017-12-22T12:33:36 < dongs> it is
2017-12-22T12:33:46 < dongs> its pretty obvious from that graph
2017-12-22T12:33:53 < dongs> that there's at least 3 sections
2017-12-22T12:35:33 < stvn> where is it?
2017-12-22T12:36:10 < stvn> lol
2017-12-22T12:36:12 < dongs> https://imgur.com/a/Fun7V
2017-12-22T12:36:28 < dongs> he used some opensores shit
2017-12-22T12:36:30 < dongs> instead of the site i linked
2017-12-22T12:36:32 < dongs> due to paranoia
2017-12-22T12:36:35 < dongs> so the tgraph looks ilke cokcs
2017-12-22T12:37:10 < stvn> cocks
2017-12-22T12:37:22 < stvn> always of use
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2017-12-22T12:48:44 < Swappage> binwalk isn't bad for binary analysis of firmwares
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2017-12-22T12:59:30 < PaulFertser> dongs: if there's a bootloader, there must be an instruction that changes SCB_VTOR before jumping to application.
2017-12-22T12:59:42 < dongs> certainly
2017-12-22T13:01:14 < PaulFertser> So somewhere in flash there should be 0xe000ed08 present and some ldr rX, [pc, ...] ; NNNNN instruction
2017-12-22T13:01:26 < PaulFertser> Should be pretty easy to spot
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2017-12-22T13:17:31 < tomeaton17> Cross compiling boost is a nightmare. Main problem is cross compiling python
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2017-12-22T13:56:05 < Swappage> PaulFertser: but there is none, appearently, i've searched the whole binary file for 0xe000ed08 but nope
2017-12-22T13:56:13 < Swappage> well.. ldr instructions there are of course
2017-12-22T13:58:38 < dongs> why not just look at the areas in hex wehre that entropy is low and see what the next high entropy block starts with
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2017-12-22T14:15:47 < Swappage> there is code, but the layout is weird
2017-12-22T14:15:51 < Swappage> brb
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2017-12-22T14:22:42 < Orson> Hi!
2017-12-22T14:34:00 < Laurenceb> F042 CRS is rage inducing
2017-12-22T14:34:16 < Laurenceb> its basically an FLL that doesnt properly converge
2017-12-22T14:34:28 < Laurenceb> so there is always a residual frequency error
2017-12-22T14:35:04  * Laurenceb is wondering if it can be haxored somehow
2017-12-22T14:37:13 < Laurenceb> like abused by a timer isr to cause it to jitter and never converge
2017-12-22T14:53:00 < PaulFertser> Swappage: have you really tried static inspection in IDA to go from the reset vector? Do you see the typical BSS cleaning, copying of initialised global data etc?
2017-12-22T15:04:01 < Orson> Quick question: how can I confirm that USART1 sends the TCE event? I have f103 chip, USART works ok, but it does not kick the DMA when I try to transmit using DMA. The DMA transfer complete never triggers as well.
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2017-12-22T15:08:27 < PaulFertser> Orson: you can check the TCE flag, but be aware of the cleaning conditions so that you are not trying to look at it after it's already cleared.
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2017-12-22T15:14:25 < Swappage> PaulFertser: from the OEP, it doesn't really do much before jumping to main.. (by main() i mean the function that in the first part, sets up peripherals and allocates stuff in ram, and then goes into an infinite loop of functions)[3~
2017-12-22T15:15:26 < PaulFertser> Swappage: does it configure the peripherals that are unlikely to be useful for a bootloader?
2017-12-22T15:16:27 < Swappage> PaulFertser: to me, definitely.. i mean, LCD gets configures, SPI gets configured, watchdog gets configured and pretty much every port and timer that can possibly exist on the IC
2017-12-22T15:17:07 < PaulFertser> Swappage: ok then, it's unlikely to be a bootloader I'd guess. Have you figured out how to skip watchdog configuration?
2017-12-22T15:18:54 < Swappage> PaulFertser: to be honest, no, i've tried skipping the function, but that didn't work
2017-12-22T15:19:04 < Swappage> for instance, here is what i think is main()
2017-12-22T15:19:28 < dongs> i'm a licensed ida pro 7.0sp owner with hexgays-arm
2017-12-22T15:19:28 < Swappage> with some notes of what i could come up with...
2017-12-22T15:19:44 < dongs> i could help but im a bit lazy
2017-12-22T15:20:29 < Orson> PaulFertser, ok, I'm seeing that the TC bit gets set after I manually write a byte to the DR register. Does this mean that the TCE event gets emitted?
2017-12-22T15:21:10 < PaulFertser> Swappage: you can do it like this: place a breakpoint on that specific address, then add "Breakpoint Command List" to "set $pc = xxxx" "continue" "end"
2017-12-22T15:21:12 < Swappage> https://imgur.com/a/hnIXU
2017-12-22T15:21:45 < PaulFertser> Orson: I think it should if it's enabled in hardware, yes.
2017-12-22T15:22:52 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, how to do something like that in Keil?
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2017-12-22T15:29:09 < Orson> PaulFertser, yeah, I have the TE, UE and DMAT bits set, and the TC and TXE bits become set after that. It seems that USART looks configured ok - I guess I screwed up DMA configuration then. Thanks!
2017-12-22T15:29:29 < dongs> PaulFertser: do what? conditional breakpoints?
2017-12-22T15:29:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, perform custom actions on breakpoints hits.
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2017-12-22T15:34:02 < Swappage> PaulFertser: how can i check if watchdog is hardware enabled? you said there should be a byte at the very beginning of the flash...
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2017-12-22T15:35:24 < PaulFertser> Swappage: no, I said there's a special option byte, you can read it via SWD, but it seems stm32lx driver in openocd doesn't support it yet.
2017-12-22T15:35:49 < PaulFertser> (doesn't support decoding them)
2017-12-22T15:35:52 < dongs> snort
2017-12-22T15:36:04 < Swappage> PaulFertser: ah got it
2017-12-22T15:36:55 < PaulFertser> Swappage: you can read it manually with mdw but I do not know l1 address, it's 0x4002201C for f1.
2017-12-22T15:38:55 < Swappage> ok this is another strange behaviour, i attach to the MCU using openOCD, i send a reset halt command.. if i leave it as it is for a while i lose the SWD connection and the execution continues.. wth
2017-12-22T15:39:54 < Swappage> and openOCD doesn't return anything by trying to read at that address
2017-12-22T15:41:30 < PaulFertser> Swappage: so probably there's hw watchdog you need to disable. "reset halt" not being stable is a clear sign.
2017-12-22T15:41:48 < PaulFertser> That address is most probably wrong for l1.
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2017-12-22T15:52:17 < Swappage> PaulFertser: for the STM32 the IWDG and WWDG peripherals are respectively at 0x4002c00 and 0x4003000 but reading these addresses with mdw doesn't return anything[2~
2017-12-22T15:52:25 < Swappage> i mean for the 1l
2017-12-22T15:52:40 < dongs> http://ipv6tree.bitnet.be/ how utterly useless
2017-12-22T15:52:41 < Swappage> *l1
2017-12-22T15:53:18 < Swappage> dongs: useless is the way of the interwebz
2017-12-22T15:53:31 < dongs> Swappage: i bet its running off your IoT device youre trying to hax
2017-12-22T15:53:45 < Swappage> if internet was only useful... how boring ^^
2017-12-22T15:53:51 < Swappage> dongs: it could be
2017-12-22T15:54:19 < Swappage> dongs: i'm not trying to pwn it, i'm trying to figure out why it hangs
2017-12-22T15:54:25 < PaulFertser> Swappage: doesn't return anything, i.e. returns 0?
2017-12-22T15:54:43 < Swappage> > mdw 0x4002c00
2017-12-22T15:54:44 < Swappage> > mdw 0x4003000
2017-12-22T15:54:49 < Swappage> empty line
2017-12-22T15:55:06 < PaulFertser> Try doing it right after reset halt
2017-12-22T15:55:17 < PaulFertser> No error on the console?
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2017-12-22T15:56:29 < Swappage> done, and no error on the console
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2017-12-22T15:58:02 < PaulFertser> Swappage: I suggest to check option byte
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2017-12-22T16:00:24 < Swappage> now i'm downloading the official utilities from the st site.. maybe they can clarify
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2017-12-22T16:05:15 < Swappage> PaulFertser: according to the option bytes, the MCU is configured in "Software Independent Watchdog"
2017-12-22T16:06:40 < PaulFertser> Swappage: hm, then how can it be unstable after "reset halt"?
2017-12-22T16:07:25 < Swappage> it went unstable when i sent the mdw commands
2017-12-22T16:07:31 < Swappage> probably they screwed up some things
2017-12-22T16:07:41 < Swappage> now it's on reset halt state for like 15 mins and no problems
2017-12-22T16:08:02 < PaulFertser> Swappage: ok then, try to place breakpoint to skip watchdog init.
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2017-12-22T16:19:09 < Swappage> PaulFertser: i've skipped that function but the device bootloops anyway
2017-12-22T16:19:22 < Swappage> and i've lost the debug probe
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2017-12-22T16:28:33 < PaulFertser> Swappage: lost as in physically put it somewhere where you can't find it?
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2017-12-22T16:29:44 < PaulFertser> Swappage: well, keep digging. You can place breakpoints at various places, do "run" in gdb, see if it bootloops or not, choose some other location, repeat etc.
2017-12-22T16:33:39 < Laurenceb> >people here doubt the Trumpenfuhrer's 1488D inter-dimensional bagatelle
2017-12-22T16:34:05 < Getty> lol
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2017-12-22T16:36:51 < Swappage> PaulFertser: yes that's the plan.. i have some pleaces i need to check what they do
2017-12-22T16:37:08 < Swappage> authors were probably really committed to prevent this code from being poked at
2017-12-22T16:45:13 < Swappage> PaulFertser: maybe maybe i know what's going on here with watchdog and all the other things.. when i power on the device i can't attach immediately to it via jtag.. i have to reset the MCU, but resetting the MCU doesn't clear the SRAM, appearently in the boot sequence i can't find anything that looks like it's zeroing out the RAM.. so i was wondering: maybe even if i skip the IWDG setup function, all the dirtyness is already there?
2017-12-22T16:45:53 < PaulFertser> Swappage: if they were committed, they would enable readout protection ;)
2017-12-22T16:46:29 < PaulFertser> Swappage: well, you can do "reset halt" and then zero out the sram with mww.
2017-12-22T16:46:54 < Swappage> yep, that's the idea
2017-12-22T16:47:25 < PaulFertser> Swappage: normally pre-main init code zeroes out only the BSS area, where unassigned static variables are stored.
2017-12-22T16:51:19 < PaulFertser> Swappage: sane application wouldn't depend on uninitialised sram areas, and you say it enables watchdog, so even more so.
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2017-12-22T17:00:14 < Swappage> PaulFertser: yes you are right, the are of memory is 0.
2017-12-22T17:00:31 < Swappage> what happens with this function (the one i assume sets up IWDG)
2017-12-22T17:00:42 < Swappage> is that it stores the IWDG address in a fixed memory location
2017-12-22T17:00:56 < Swappage> in SRAM
2017-12-22T17:03:06 < Swappage> it stores the address of the watchdog peripheral to 0x20001848 then it stores a 0x2 at 4C and a 0xFA0 at 50, looks like some kind of setup to me.. now i need to figure out what these values mean
2017-12-22T17:06:06 < PaulFertser> Swappage: storing address of a WD periph would be strange. Please paste some code
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2017-12-22T17:08:32 < Swappage> PaulFertser: it's not storing to the peripheral, it's storing the address of the peripheral to SRAM
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2017-12-22T17:08:53 < PaulFertser> Swappage: yes, and I call it weird
2017-12-22T17:09:34 < PaulFertser> jadew: hey, figured out that pic yet?
2017-12-22T17:13:03 < Swappage> PaulFertser:
2017-12-22T17:13:04 < Swappage> https://pastebin.com/g1NBuCcR
2017-12-22T17:17:17 < PaulFertser>  Swappage: and then in sub_800233C ?
2017-12-22T17:18:24 < Swappage> 1 sec
2017-12-22T17:19:18 < Swappage> s*** this one is quite big :D
2017-12-22T17:19:28 < Swappage> mh no, ok not really
2017-12-22T17:20:22 < PaulFertser> Swappage: probably it's something like st library shit where you prepare a struct with init values and then call some function to actually perform the config? And so the first field in that struct is the specific peripheral address.
2017-12-22T17:21:29 < jadew> PaulFertser, still working on it
2017-12-22T17:21:49 < PaulFertser> PIC ISA is rather baroque by today's standards.
2017-12-22T17:22:08 < jadew> I managed to turn the power on, but there's nothing on the screen, I hope the PIC is asserting some line that will make that work
2017-12-22T17:22:32 < jadew> but for that I have to backtrack and see why it refuses to start without tweaking it
2017-12-22T17:22:36 < PaulFertser> btw, I've seen PICs nicely emulated by illegally copied versions of "Protheus", so if you have the schematics you can probably implement it there.
2017-12-22T17:22:58 < jadew> I don't
2017-12-22T17:23:13 < jadew> I'm lucky I was even able to read the contents of the PIC
2017-12-22T17:23:46 < jadew> it wasn't written in ASM
2017-12-22T17:24:10 < jadew> I had to figure out some optimized stuff and I doubt the developers did that by hand
2017-12-22T17:24:56 < jadew> for example, the switch-case statements are done by importing the value into the working register and then just xoring it
2017-12-22T17:25:14 < jadew> so it doesn't get loaded again
2017-12-22T17:25:15 < PaulFertser> Fancy, heh
2017-12-22T17:25:19 < Swappage> PaulFertser: nothing that poked my attention tbh, it looks like it just keeps on moving data from memory to registry and so on... it sets up memory, but keeps on referring to the address of the IWDG peripheral
2017-12-22T17:25:23 < Swappage> https://pastebin.com/ufFjaxBZ
2017-12-22T17:25:33 < jadew> and each xor is done on a value where the intended value is xored with all the previous values it checked for
2017-12-22T17:26:55 < jadew> that means that if you want to check for 3 and you previously checked for 2 and 1, then you xor the working register with (2 xor 1 xor 3) and then you see if it's 0
2017-12-22T17:27:00 < PaulFertser> Swappage: do you have HAL sources for stm32l152?
2017-12-22T17:27:22 < Swappage> no... are these available somewhere?
2017-12-22T17:27:32 < Swappage> HAL you mean hardware abstraction layer?
2017-12-22T17:28:14 < Swappage> i was also thinking that this binary was in the end calling some functions that are well known. IDA FLIRT couldn't recognize them by importing arm libraries tho
2017-12-22T17:28:49 < PaulFertser> Swappage: the ST HAL library, yes.
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2017-12-22T17:33:12 < dongs> found englishman kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/outline-montreal/the-sound-reactive-led-mask
2017-12-22T17:36:52 < PaulFertser> Swappage: the disassembly looks similar enough to https://os.mbed.com/users/EricLew/code/STM32L4xx_HAL_Driver/file/80ee8f3b695e/Src/stm32l4xx_hal_iwdg.c , I would guess l1 hal will match exactly, just can't quickly find it.
2017-12-22T17:36:58 < aandrew> haha
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2017-12-22T17:37:04 < aandrew> "sound responsive lithium modulator"
2017-12-22T17:37:26 < aandrew> that and "phosphorous layer"
2017-12-22T17:37:29 < aandrew> pure marketing BS
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2017-12-22T17:38:23 < aandrew> dongs: what lcd/tft/oled/whatev gui library do you use for your shit
2017-12-22T17:38:40 < dongs> aandrew: lol my own. my shit is too simple
2017-12-22T17:38:54 < dongs> both ssd1306 and the TFT ILI9374 or wahtever shit
2017-12-22T17:39:01 < aandrew> right
2017-12-22T17:39:06 < aandrew> ok so no widget/windowing shit
2017-12-22T17:39:09 < dongs> yea no
2017-12-22T17:39:17 < dongs> i tried to use that STEmWin shit
2017-12-22T17:39:22 < dongs> but it was failing with ILI
2017-12-22T17:39:27 < dongs> and thats the only shit i have so
2017-12-22T17:39:40 < PaulFertser> ugfx was too expensive?
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2017-12-22T17:39:52 < dongs> lmao
2017-12-22T17:39:58 < dongs> ugfx doesnt do anything my shit doesnt do
2017-12-22T17:40:18 < dongs> Thorn: there's some jap rocket launch tomrorow from Kagoshima space center @ 10am JST
2017-12-22T17:41:00 < Thorn> Iridium-4 Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdjCwo6d3Q
2017-12-22T17:41:39 < Laurenceb> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/019/557/265/ef7574d3f39e36d52a5d5fa6131151b8_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1512935728&auto=format&lossless=true&s=f17660a3e24776b59e50fc98aaae79cc
2017-12-22T17:41:47 < Laurenceb> B O G D A N O V
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2017-12-22T17:45:43 < dongs> Thorn: if you can find a livestream or someshit that would be neat
2017-12-22T17:45:51 < dongs> NOTE: The beginning of launch window for this mission is just 1 minute and 1 second behind the instantaneous launch window for SpaceX F9's Iridium NEXT Flight 4. If both launches take place, it will be a new record.
2017-12-22T17:45:55 < dongs> oh wat
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2017-12-22T17:46:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-UyZE-LIUA
2017-12-22T17:46:27 < dongs> there it is
2017-12-22T17:47:11 < Swappage> PaulFertser: wow, you are very good at reading assembler and matching it to C code
2017-12-22T17:47:21 < dongs> Swappage: thats his job!11
2017-12-22T17:47:42 < PaulFertser> Swappage: your code seems to be checking SR first, if neither bit 0 nor bit 1 are present, it reports error.
2017-12-22T17:47:47 < dongs> Swappage: why do you keep removing shit you post? just how fucking important is this garbage youre RE'ing
2017-12-22T17:48:08 < PaulFertser> No, in fact I'm too lazy/unmotivated for any real RE.
2017-12-22T17:48:31 < Swappage> dongs: i didn't notice removing the paste has expired, i can repost it
2017-12-22T17:48:34 < Swappage> no problem
2017-12-22T17:48:36 < dongs> its ok
2017-12-22T17:48:48 < dongs> i dont care that much. i just thought you were taking stuff down on purpose
2017-12-22T17:48:57 < Swappage> dongs: no
2017-12-22T17:48:58 < PaulFertser> Swappage: so it looks like the main code initialises prescaler to 2, reload value to 0xfa0 , then calls the regular HAL iwdg init function.
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2017-12-22T17:50:11 < Swappage> so, if i were to skip that function i should be able to prevent the watchdog to play its part....
2017-12-22T17:50:45 < PaulFertser> Swappage: that function is actually a nice opportunity to find matching "ST HAL" version for reference to have easier time with the other functions.
2017-12-22T17:52:02 < Swappage> yes but i won't be able to match symbols anyway to have function naming and structures, anyway.. i guess
2017-12-22T17:52:33 < PaulFertser> Swappage: having a reference C code would be enough.
2017-12-22T17:52:42 < Swappage> would be a great help
2017-12-22T17:53:23 < PaulFertser> I'm sure it's not the st periph shit-library because they didn't require passing iwdg address as the library knew there was just one present :)
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2017-12-22T17:54:59 < PaulFertser> Swappage: the first two bits in SR on L1xx mean the peripheral is busy and you shouldn't touch it. So you need to find L1 HAL shitcode that checks SR in the way similiar to the F4 code I found.
2017-12-22T17:55:55 < PaulFertser> (so I was wrong, it reports error when either of them is set)
2017-12-22T17:56:05 < Swappage> SR?
2017-12-22T17:56:11 < dongs> comeon
2017-12-22T17:56:13 < dongs> IWDR->SR register
2017-12-22T17:56:20 < dongs> DR>DG
2017-12-22T17:57:00 < PaulFertser> Swappage: yeah, do not you have the reference manual open at IWDG registers page atm?
2017-12-22T17:57:12 < Swappage> yes
2017-12-22T17:58:41 < Swappage> ok the status register IWDG-SR
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2017-12-22T18:26:16 < Laurenceb> hmm this is odd
2017-12-22T18:26:33 < Laurenceb> F042 gpio seems to take 34µs to change level
2017-12-22T18:26:45 < Laurenceb> either that or its usb related
2017-12-22T18:27:05 < Laurenceb> I'm toggling GPIO on SOF, and there is +-34µs time difference between devices
2017-12-22T18:28:23 < Laurenceb> unless its somehow usb related
2017-12-22T18:28:44 < Laurenceb> but the difference is evenly distributed between +ive and -ive
2017-12-22T18:32:09 < Laurenceb> exactly 34µs
2017-12-22T18:32:11 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-12-22T18:32:52 < upgrdman> toggle gpio in a while(1) loop to see how fast it can change
2017-12-22T18:36:30 < Laurenceb> yeah >1Mhz
2017-12-22T18:36:36 < Laurenceb> I think I have an idea
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2017-12-22T18:37:01 < Laurenceb> I'm reading audio data at the same time, if the audio takes ~34µs to process
2017-12-22T18:37:47 < Laurenceb> and the first device is read immediately after sof, and the usb driver processes the data first
2017-12-22T18:37:53 < Laurenceb> that would explain it
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2017-12-22T18:38:32 < Laurenceb> well - I know one device is going to be sent a read token immediately after sof, and thats hardly going to take any time
2017-12-22T18:38:32 < kakimir> hello laurence
2017-12-22T18:38:38 < Laurenceb> hi
2017-12-22T18:38:47 < Laurenceb> I think this explanation make sense
2017-12-22T18:38:52 < kakimir> why are you doing audio now?
2017-12-22T18:38:59 < Laurenceb> dunno how to get rid of the 34µs offset tho
2017-12-22T18:39:07 < Laurenceb> kakimir: for imu data
2017-12-22T18:39:40 < kakimir> imu?
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2017-12-22T18:40:46 < Laurenceb> babby shaking thingy
2017-12-22T18:40:58 < Ultrasauce> another shaker for you to break
2017-12-22T18:41:12 < kakimir> okay I don't wanna know
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2017-12-22T19:08:05 < PaulFertser> Swappage: got any further?
2017-12-22T19:08:18 < PaulFertser> farther?
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2017-12-22T19:18:13 < Laurenceb> any idea how do disable autosuspend on lunix?
2017-12-22T19:18:21 < Laurenceb> all the google ideas fail
2017-12-22T19:19:19 < dongs> how to disable whaT?
2017-12-22T19:19:30 < Laurenceb> automatic device suspend
2017-12-22T19:19:34 < dongs> what the fuck is that?
2017-12-22T19:19:34 < Laurenceb> on usb
2017-12-22T19:19:52 < Laurenceb> unused devices are suspended
2017-12-22T19:19:55 < dongs> is this part of something called "power management"?
2017-12-22T19:19:59 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-12-22T19:20:00 < dongs> something lunix has never properly suported?
2017-12-22T19:20:01 < dongs> oic
2017-12-22T19:20:05 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-12-22T19:20:42 < dongs> lunix doesn't support: power management; suspend to ram; suspend to disk;
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2017-12-22T19:22:57 < dongs> silabs released native (not winusb/wudf) based "universal serial port driver"
2017-12-22T19:23:14 < dongs> first thing that happens when i install it is windows fucking bluescreens in USB kernel driver
2017-12-22T19:23:17 < dongs> FUCK YOU
2017-12-22T19:24:26 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: you mean for usb device? How exactly the usual sysfs advice fails for you?
2017-12-22T19:24:38 < Laurenceb> there is no effect
2017-12-22T19:24:44 < Laurenceb> I'm going to try rules.d
2017-12-22T19:24:45 < dongs> the whole "sysfs" shit is a fucking joke
2017-12-22T19:24:51 < dongs> started by that faggot richard gooch
2017-12-22T19:24:54 < dongs> who failed writing devfs
2017-12-22T19:24:59 < dongs> or wahtever shit was called before
2017-12-22T19:25:15 < dongs> well, who am i kidding. entire lunix shit is a fucking joke
2017-12-22T19:25:17 < dongs> bbl
2017-12-22T19:25:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: sysfs was meant to be a saner userspace-kernelspace API than /proc.
2017-12-22T19:26:09 < Laurenceb> what a suprise it fasils
2017-12-22T19:30:02 < Laurenceb> everything fails
2017-12-22T19:30:05 < dongs> i wish someone had the balls to write a saner version of lunix
2017-12-22T19:30:06 < Laurenceb> this fails https://logfile.ch/linux/2017/06/15/disable-usb-autosuspend-linux/
2017-12-22T19:30:07 < dongs> that actually worked
2017-12-22T19:30:15 < dongs> oh wait, they did
2017-12-22T19:30:22 < dongs> its called windows 10
2017-12-22T19:30:25 < dongs> and it acutally works
2017-12-22T19:30:36 < Laurenceb> hmf I'd out of ideas
2017-12-22T19:30:39 < Laurenceb> *I'm
2017-12-22T19:32:02 < Laurenceb> clearly I need a usb signal generator unit
2017-12-22T19:32:15 < Laurenceb> maybe I could use otg on F4 discovery
2017-12-22T19:34:20 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: do you probably have file at autosuspend_delay_ms ?
2017-12-22T19:34:27 < PaulFertser> Eh, named like that
2017-12-22T19:34:34 < Laurenceb> yeah I tried editing that
2017-12-22T19:34:38 < Laurenceb> but which one?
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2017-12-22T19:34:51 < dongs> Note that this command needs to be called every time after you plug-in the device (and every time after you reboot your computer).
2017-12-22T19:34:55 < dongs> ha ha ha
2017-12-22T19:35:11 < PaulFertser> You can disable autosuspending by default with a module parameter.
2017-12-22T19:36:07 < Laurenceb> cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1.5/power/autosuspend_delay_ms
2017-12-22T19:36:07 < Laurenceb> -1000
2017-12-22T19:36:11 < Laurenceb> lol
2017-12-22T19:36:43 < dongs> haha udev
2017-12-22T19:36:47 < dongs> http://hamwaves.com/usb.autosuspend/en/
2017-12-22T19:37:00 < Laurenceb> yeah tried everything on that page
2017-12-22T19:38:14 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: for me usb suspend worked predictably when I was adding suspend handlers on stm32... can't remember the details though.
2017-12-22T19:38:25 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-12-22T19:39:51 < Swappage> PaulFertser: mhhh.. no not really...
2017-12-22T19:39:57 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: does powertop report suspend as enabled for your device?
2017-12-22T19:40:47 < Laurenceb> how do I use this?
2017-12-22T19:41:29 < PaulFertser> Start powertop, go to devices/usb
2017-12-22T19:42:13 < Laurenceb> 100.0%        USB device: STM32 Audio Class (STMicroelectronics)
2017-12-22T19:42:19 < Laurenceb> but its suspended atm
2017-12-22T19:42:46 < PaulFertser> Probably you mishandle suspend/reset events in your firmware?
2017-12-22T19:42:54 < Laurenceb> possible
2017-12-22T19:42:55 < Laurenceb>  Bad           Autosuspend for USB device STM32 Audio Class [STMicroelectronic
2017-12-22T19:43:17 < Swappage> PaulFertser: i'm fairly confident that the device doesn't have any problem in setting up the peripherals and get into the loop where it actually "does things" and offers some user interaction.. but now i'm facing two possible scenarios
2017-12-22T19:43:19 < PaulFertser> Bad means it drains power, i.e. runs all the time, so good for you.
2017-12-22T19:43:42 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-12-22T19:43:43 < Swappage> the first is that the device triggered some sort of protection and erased some code, but i can't find any "dead branch" jumping into the void
2017-12-22T19:44:10 < Laurenceb> oh i see the issue
2017-12-22T19:44:13 < PaulFertser> Swappage: but you can step by step, see where it jumps out of the loop.
2017-12-22T19:44:15 < Swappage> OR, some peripherals / device it's using on GPIO/ports/whatever is faulty, and this causes the main program to die
2017-12-22T19:44:21 < Laurenceb> powertop thinks suspend is disabled
2017-12-22T19:44:30 < Laurenceb> but lunix is failing somewhere internally
2017-12-22T19:45:37 < Swappage> mhh yes-ish, only 6 breakpoints are not much
2017-12-22T19:45:53 < Swappage> i was planning to start by figuring out which function of the loop causes the reset
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2017-12-22T19:45:57 < Swappage> and then narrow it down from there
2017-12-22T19:46:16 < Swappage> if i see that the program doesn't execute the next function and resets.. that's the point
2017-12-22T19:46:30 < PaulFertser> Swappage: so test some theories, then some other theories
2017-12-22T19:47:37 < Swappage> yes
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2017-12-22T19:48:40 < Swappage> i know that there is a function that causes the display to show a "code" that stays there till the device resets
2017-12-22T19:49:48 < Swappage> and the device exits the loop after 2 loops have completed, and it hits that specific function for the third time
2017-12-22T19:51:48 < Swappage> yes, that's definitely the behaviour
2017-12-22T19:52:24 < Swappage> no stack trace at all, so i don't have a call graph :/
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2017-12-22T19:53:28 < PaulFertser> Swappage: does the device reset even with iwdg disabled?
2017-12-22T19:54:29 < Swappage> PaulFertser: yes absolutely
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2017-12-22T19:58:16 < Laurenceb> ok wut
2017-12-22T19:58:17 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/vA8gQvc
2017-12-22T19:58:23 < Laurenceb> I tried with three devices
2017-12-22T19:58:31 < Laurenceb> same offset between two of them
2017-12-22T19:58:38 < Laurenceb> +-34µs
2017-12-22T19:59:00 < dongs> nice pic, but what the fuck are we looking at
2017-12-22T19:59:12 < Laurenceb> gpio toggles on SOF
2017-12-22T19:59:31 < dongs> i dont see anything toggling
2017-12-22T19:59:42 < dongs> unless you mean some random noise shortly after ch1 going up
2017-12-22T19:59:50 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/JxW7dHb
2017-12-22T20:00:04 < dongs> lrn 2 trigger
2017-12-22T20:00:08 < Laurenceb> that looks more sane - aligned pulses from higher level codez
2017-12-22T20:00:12 < Laurenceb> but more jitter
2017-12-22T20:00:57 < Laurenceb> dongs: relative polarity of the devices is toggling all the time
2017-12-22T20:01:18 < Laurenceb> so on persistence display you just get the two vertical lines
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2017-12-22T20:03:41 < Swappage> PaulFertser: and it shouldn't... i think
2017-12-22T20:07:22 < Swappage> and IDA hates me
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2017-12-22T20:13:48 < Laurenceb> shrug I give up
2017-12-22T20:14:07 < Laurenceb> I'll just photoshop/gimp the scope shots for wurk report
2017-12-22T20:14:36 < Laurenceb> only other option is haxor the cubemx code at a lower level
2017-12-22T20:14:40 < Laurenceb> cant be doing with that
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2017-12-22T20:36:17 < Laurenceb> I lolld tbh
2017-12-22T20:36:19 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=462KBuAhncU
2017-12-22T20:38:29 < Laurenceb> ppl on 4chan have way too much tiem
2017-12-22T20:38:38 < Laurenceb> how long did this take to animate
2017-12-22T20:43:32 < englishman> In essence, this is not really a USB hardware problem, but perhaps more a Linux problem.
2017-12-22T20:43:43 < Laurenceb> sounds about right
2017-12-22T20:44:37 < Laurenceb> wew http://shed-17.wikia.com/wiki/Shed_17_Wikia
2017-12-22T20:44:40 < Laurenceb> a meme is born
2017-12-22T20:48:13 < Steffanx> it's an Laurenceb problem englishman :P
2017-12-22T20:48:25 < Steffanx> i mean.. usb -_-
2017-12-22T20:48:34 < englishman> wow layers have really changed in altidumb 18
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2017-12-22T20:53:20 < Steffanx> Hows arrow doing this week englishman?
2017-12-22T20:53:30 < Steffanx> can they deliver before xmas?
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2017-12-22T20:54:13 < englishman> no more arrow deliveries
2017-12-22T20:54:33 < Steffanx> no more edison?
2017-12-22T20:55:37 < englishman> no i have lots of those
2017-12-22T20:57:08 < kakimir> what are you doing sir?
2017-12-22T20:57:18 < Steffanx> you must have the largest stock in the universe by now
2017-12-22T20:57:29 < englishman> larger than intel
2017-12-22T20:57:36 < kakimir> can we get a glipse?
2017-12-22T20:57:56 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/WiI7Hmt.jpg
2017-12-22T21:04:24 < kakimir> so your plan is to stackpile them and when there is 0 stocks everywhere you do ripoff?
2017-12-22T21:04:38 < kakimir> did you get them for good price?
2017-12-22T21:05:09 < englishman> i did
2017-12-22T21:05:20 < englishman> has anyone here used intel compute stick?
2017-12-22T21:05:20 < kakimir> how much per unit?
2017-12-22T21:05:24 < englishman> it looks super cool
2017-12-22T21:05:27 < englishman> more than $50
2017-12-22T21:05:43 < englishman> like $170 beaverbux and it comes with windows 10
2017-12-22T21:05:56 < kakimir> you plan to mine buttcoin?
2017-12-22T21:06:49 < englishman> no that would be silly
2017-12-22T21:07:02 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-22T21:07:33 < kakimir> #elsewhere one dude is using 3 cellphones to gain 0.13euros per day
2017-12-22T21:07:46 < jpa-> finnish news say buttcoin is crashing and zyp never got his dinner
2017-12-22T21:07:53 < englishman> see that's dumb
2017-12-22T21:08:05 < englishman> what you do is flood the app stores with dumb flashlight apps that mine buttcoin
2017-12-22T21:08:10 < englishman> so you have 30 million phones mining buttcoin
2017-12-22T21:08:20 < kakimir> that is money
2017-12-22T21:08:47 < kakimir> app stores are platform of cancer
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2017-12-22T21:23:18 < jadew> :/ I broke a resistor and now I can't keep working on this thig
2017-12-22T21:23:32 < jadew> and every component store is going to be closed till next week
2017-12-22T21:24:00 < kakimir> a
2017-12-22T21:24:08 < kakimir> re you joking
2017-12-22T21:24:27 < kakimir> so is it standard size resistor?
2017-12-22T21:24:51 < jadew> I'm not, it's a 100 k 0603
2017-12-22T21:25:18 < englishman> surely you have several thousand of those kicking around
2017-12-22T21:25:33 < jadew> I don't...
2017-12-22T21:25:51 < jadew> I looked through every box
2017-12-22T21:26:05 < vampi-the-frog> oh pooey
2017-12-22T21:26:06 < kakimir> so do you have 200k then?
2017-12-22T21:26:20 < kakimir> solder them on top of each other
2017-12-22T21:26:21 < jadew> no, I didn't stock anything above 70k
2017-12-22T21:26:44 < jadew> yeah, I considered that, I do have some 330k resistors, but that'll give me 110
2017-12-22T21:27:00 < jadew> and it's a voltage divider feeding into an ADC which is particularly dicky about the value it sees
2017-12-22T21:27:25 < invzim> jerry rig it!
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2017-12-22T21:28:38 < jadew> I think I'll use some litz wire to connect a through hole resistor there
2017-12-22T21:29:01 < invzim> how did you break a resistor btw?
2017-12-22T21:29:02 < jadew> it'll have to do till next week
2017-12-22T21:29:14 < jadew> I soldered a wire and broke a tab
2017-12-22T21:29:35 < invzim> get a metcal :)
2017-12-22T21:29:56 < invzim> just joking, that sux
2017-12-22T21:30:12 < englishman> rip one out of your cellphone
2017-12-22T21:30:17 < englishman> guaranteed you have 100k around somewhere
2017-12-22T21:30:19 < jadew> think I'll find one there?
2017-12-22T21:30:23 < jadew> hmm, I'll check
2017-12-22T21:30:39 < englishman> you cant test in situ you have to take it out and test it alone
2017-12-22T21:33:02 < kakimir> 100k can be concidered as pretty standard pullup resistor size
2017-12-22T21:33:38 < kakimir> englishman: you will find pretty close to 0 0603 sized resistors inside cellphone
2017-12-22T21:33:52 < kakimir> and if there is it must be a shunt of some kind
2017-12-22T21:34:11 < englishman> doesnt have to be 0603
2017-12-22T21:34:21 < englishman> anyway this is in hardcore autism mode now
2017-12-22T21:34:52 < jadew> yeah, 0805 would do too
2017-12-22T21:34:58 < jadew> or smaller
2017-12-22T21:44:12 < jadew> found one
2017-12-22T21:44:24 < jadew> cheap LCR meter from ebay
2017-12-22T22:00:50 < jadew> it fails differntly now, which is weird, because that resistor wasn't broken
2017-12-22T22:01:02 < jadew> and the replacement is fairly close in value
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2017-12-22T22:08:50 < jadew> so check this out, this thing is adjusting its compare values as it goes
2017-12-22T22:09:05 < jadew> (stores them in EEPROM and uses them the next time)
2017-12-22T22:09:55 < jadew> I wonder if that's what happened
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2017-12-23T00:46:36 < day> i asked this a while ago already, but havent found a solution so far
2017-12-23T00:47:42 < day> my nucleo board /dev/ttyACMx interface is working fine on a raspberry. on my main system i cant get it to work. its there, but im not receiving anything and sometimes the device vanishes (that usually happens after i try to use it via minicom)
2017-12-23T00:48:34 < day> im on linux. i have witnessed the issue on arch and gentoo. i tried multiple usb ports, even the monitor hub. no change
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2017-12-23T01:24:44 < jadew> this is baffling
2017-12-23T01:25:23 < jadew> is there any reason why there'd be a resistor between VCC and GND and the GND node would go into an IO?
2017-12-23T01:25:39 < jadew> what am I missing?
2017-12-23T01:25:57 < jadew> I pumped about 500 mA of current through it, but nothing got hot
2017-12-23T01:27:42 < jadew> 1A test, still nothing :/
2017-12-23T01:29:04 < Laurenceb_> zyp: whats the formula for working out throughput of usb audio class?
2017-12-23T01:29:17 < Laurenceb_> I remember you talking about it quite a while ago
2017-12-23T01:29:29  * Laurenceb_ is trying to work out what could cause 34µs delays
2017-12-23T01:41:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/media-42457774
2017-12-23T01:48:27 < jadew> lol
2017-12-23T01:48:31 < jadew> wth is wrong with the text?
2017-12-23T01:51:10 < jadew> holly crap, that's an actual language
2017-12-23T01:51:38 < Thorn> http://www.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/views/pdfs/V15_N3_1994/V15_N3_1994_Irani.pdf
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2017-12-23T02:12:04 < jadew> ok... found a short, don't know where it is
2017-12-23T02:12:22 < jadew> buried via
2017-12-23T02:13:10 < jadew> *blind via
2017-12-23T02:14:46 < day> my god st.com must be the shittiest of all shit sites
2017-12-23T02:15:14 < day> first you need to send them an email so they can send you a dowlnoad link. and then that shitty link doesnt even work D:
2017-12-23T02:17:25 < day> or rather they send you the link to the site on which you can request to get the link for the download. xD
2017-12-23T02:18:55 < Laurenceb_> back of envelope suggests that a device read takes about 34µs at 12mbps
2017-12-23T02:19:04 < Laurenceb_> each device sends 40 bytes of payload
2017-12-23T02:19:26 < Laurenceb_> so the question is, why does cubemx SOF handler get delayed by 34µs on one of the devices
2017-12-23T02:23:18 < Laurenceb_> >wonder why there is still a spike on my PSD plot of accelerometer noise
2017-12-23T02:23:35 < Laurenceb_> >work out the movement it represents
2017-12-23T02:23:40 < Laurenceb_> >its 20fm
2017-12-23T02:25:49 < ohsix> day:  view source, they just hide the button, link is in there
2017-12-23T02:27:10 < day> ohsix: thats even more hilarious
2017-12-23T02:27:17 < day> but i managed to get it
2017-12-23T02:27:21 < Laurenceb_> no wonder air con is screwing my measurements
2017-12-23T02:37:04 < day> wow
2017-12-23T02:37:22 < day> i think this is the first time where ive witnessed 'update the firmware' actually fixed the  problem :D
2017-12-23T02:38:03 < day> meaning my serial usb interface works now :3
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2017-12-23T02:44:25 < dongs> day, advice about st.com if you don't want to register = open each new download in a private browsing window
2017-12-23T02:44:40 < dongs> once you login + get email clicky link, it only works for one download
2017-12-23T02:44:52 < dongs> after that you gotta clear ST cookies or wahtever the fuck, and its not worth the effort figuring out what it is
2017-12-23T02:45:01 < day> yeah it behaved weird.
2017-12-23T02:45:06 < dongs> open new private window + apply for donwload shit, then it works
2017-12-23T02:45:14 < day> somethings didnt seem to work at all in the private window
2017-12-23T02:45:21 < dongs> or just register with fake info, after yearsa of fucking with email i finally gave up and did it
2017-12-23T02:45:28 < dongs> and ... shortly after doing that
2017-12-23T02:45:28 < day> i ended up registering my junk email acc~
2017-12-23T02:45:46 < dongs> i receive an email
2017-12-23T02:45:50 < dongs> Hello.
2017-12-23T02:45:50 < dongs> Epic is the PNW Rep for ST  Micro.
2017-12-23T02:45:50 < dongs> I understand you some interest in the ST products based on your historical downloads from ST.
2017-12-23T02:45:54 < dongs> Can you kindly confirm where you are located and tell me a little bit about your program?
2017-12-23T02:46:12 < dongs> followed by a list of prety much everything I ever downkloaded from their site
2017-12-23T02:46:51 < day> how to make stalking even more awkward? tell your victim about it as if it wasnt a big deal!
2017-12-23T02:55:00 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-UyZE-LIUA 15 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdjCwo6d3Q 30 minutes
2017-12-23T03:00:02 < Laurenceb_> html5 fail
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2017-12-23T03:23:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG7zLhEWanc
2017-12-23T03:29:43 < englishman> lol japs sure dont waste a lot of time on awesome lighting and steam and all those american drama enhancers
2017-12-23T03:34:48 < dongs> lol @ jap stream, nice screenshot of windows 7
2017-12-23T03:34:52 < dongs> at least tehy upgraded from XP
2017-12-23T03:36:38 < dongs> theyre not recovering the iridium launch?
2017-12-23T03:37:00 < day> they are still shooting up iridium com sats?
2017-12-23T03:37:06 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-23T03:37:15 < dongs> someone bought the old shit and is monetizing it
2017-12-23T03:37:19 < day> interesting.
2017-12-23T03:37:21 < dongs> new sats have ads-b transceivers
2017-12-23T03:37:28 < dongs> so tehy're trying to sell it as global airplane tracking shit
2017-12-23T03:37:32 < day> afaik the whole project was once one step away from dying
2017-12-23T03:37:35 < dongs> yes
2017-12-23T03:38:42 < day> well i hope they manage to monetize it, as its imho a rather important system
2017-12-23T03:39:26 < dongs> yeah i have iridium phone in alaska. the number is like 20 digits
2017-12-23T03:39:35 < dongs> works from anywhere
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2017-12-23T03:41:06 < day> well mostly
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2017-12-23T03:42:36 < day> ah nvm. the poles are super well covered. i remembered the opposite
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2017-12-23T04:02:27 < day> im trying to get a crude usb hid device running on my nucleo board. just to make sure im getting this. the native usb connector is exclusively connected to the ST-Link programmer, right? it has nothing to do with the actual processor?
2017-12-23T04:15:22 < upgrdman> i just unknowingly witnessed the SpaceX IRIDIUM-4 launch:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncFAhl8rnKE
2017-12-23T04:16:12 < day> that looks rad
2017-12-23T04:16:19 < upgrdman> it was
2017-12-23T04:16:28 < day> looks like those spaceships in chronicles of riddick :D
2017-12-23T04:17:06 < day> i wonder what that glowing thing is it dropped
2017-12-23T04:17:17 < day> its still burning so i doubt its one of the stages?
2017-12-23T04:17:28 < dongs> wait waht
2017-12-23T04:17:45 < dongs> wow that looks way better at night
2017-12-23T04:17:49 < dongs> i tried to catch the jap shit this morning
2017-12-23T04:18:06 < day> i think its dusk, isnt it? the ships still in the sun
2017-12-23T04:18:06 < dongs> but it was headed south east away from japland so it was barely visible
2017-12-23T04:18:21 < upgrdman> dongs, it was like perfect launch timing. that part of the sky has not yet sunset, but where i was had sunset, so it was an awesome backlit effect
2017-12-23T04:18:31 < dongs> right
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2017-12-23T04:39:12 < jadew> I think I fixed the motherboard, but the processor board has no sign of activity, despite proper voltage levels
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2017-12-23T04:39:32 < jadew> considering the mother board was in a similar state, I wouldn't be surprised if this is some firmware fuck up
2017-12-23T04:41:15 < jadew> good thing they decided that nothing is serviceable, that way you get to pay $800 for a new board
2017-12-23T04:41:40 < jadew> on top of it, they made it so the boards are not interchangeable between units
2017-12-23T04:42:02 < jadew> they have some code in the EEPROM which they check
2017-12-23T04:42:13 < day> jadew: sounds like an apple product
2017-12-23T04:42:22 < jadew> it's sadly keysight
2017-12-23T04:42:27 < day> oh
2017-12-23T04:43:04 < jadew> they've changed direction
2017-12-23T04:44:44 < jadew> the motherboard issue was a firmware bug btw
2017-12-23T04:45:19 < jadew> and judging by the 4 pages service manual, they expect you to buy a new one
2017-12-23T04:45:38 < day> which product is that?
2017-12-23T04:45:45 < jadew> 53220A
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2017-12-23T05:57:21 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/3kHPNfx.jpg
2017-12-23T05:57:42 < englishman> never underestimate the bandwidth of a jar full of microsd
2017-12-23T06:15:16 < dongs> is that your dickstarter
2017-12-23T06:16:53 < MrMobius> I should get one of those
2017-12-23T06:17:13 < MrMobius> my LCD breakout got here today and they randomly included a microsd slot on the back of it 0_0
2017-12-23T06:17:30 < dongs> haha
2017-12-23T06:17:39 < dongs> yeah one of those china SPI LCD shits right
2017-12-23T06:17:44 < MrMobius> yessir
2017-12-23T06:18:04 < MrMobius> because my shitty microcontroller needs gigabytes at its disposal
2017-12-23T06:19:29 < dongs> its pretty boring cuz its not even SDIO
2017-12-23T06:19:37 < dongs> intended for use with shitty avr
2017-12-23T06:20:40 < MrMobius> jokes on them
2017-12-23T06:20:51 < MrMobius> im using up those M0s in DIP28 I have
2017-12-23T06:21:51 < MrMobius> although I keep reading SPI mode on SD cards is limited to 400kHz but other people say they can read at 25mhz. gotta hook it up and see who is telling the truth
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2017-12-23T07:47:20 < dongs> 400khz is initial speed before CMD6
2017-12-23T07:47:40 < dongs> all cards start at that
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2017-12-23T08:12:42 < englishman> Laurenceb: i got you this for xmas https://shop.spacex.com/accessories/falcon-9-and-fairing-flying-model-rocket-kit.html
2017-12-23T08:25:20 < dongs> to replace his failing cockoon?
2017-12-23T08:26:07 < dongs> wow. $45 shirts
2017-12-23T08:26:24 < dongs> for a fucking shitty X logo on pocket
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2017-12-23T08:29:13 < englishman> https://blinkforhome.com/blogs/blink-home-security-blog/breaking-news-blink-has-been-acquired-by-amazon
2017-12-23T08:29:14 < englishman> wow
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2017-12-23T08:34:39 < dongs> who
2017-12-23T08:35:13 < englishman> a rather mundane security camera company
2017-12-23T08:36:01 < englishman> making AA-powered wifi cameras
2017-12-23T08:36:06 < dongs> https://blinkforhome.com/pages/open-source-compliance
2017-12-23T08:37:11 < dongs> https://blinkforhome.com/pages/stop-package-theft haha
2017-12-23T08:37:19 < dongs> never knew alaska was a hotspot for package theft
2017-12-23T08:37:28 < englishman> natives
2017-12-23T08:38:52 < dongs> * A new set of non-rechargeable AA lithium batteries should last for a total of 40,000 seconds of motion-activated video and/or live video. We define standard or typical use as approximately 10, 5-second video events per day.
2017-12-23T08:42:34 < dongs> looks fucking boring
2017-12-23T08:45:10 < englishman> yea which is why its super surprising amadongs bought them
2017-12-23T08:45:30 < englishman> best guess is they have some amazing IP for next alexa
2017-12-23T08:45:43 < englishman> amazon milk delivered right to your fridge
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2017-12-23T10:06:16 < Steffanx> The jar isnt even full englishman -_-
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2017-12-23T11:08:32 < zyp> 00:29:04 < Laurenceb_> zyp: whats the formula for working out throughput of usb audio class?
2017-12-23T11:08:54 < zyp> size of packet multiplied by the usb framerate?
2017-12-23T11:09:20 < zyp> or are you thinking about how many transfers that can fit in a frame?
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2017-12-23T17:30:55 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/JqThYfk.jpg
2017-12-23T17:37:04 < Steffanx> Good morning englishman, welcome to ##stm32.
2017-12-23T17:37:35 < englishman> goede morgen steffy
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2017-12-23T17:49:11 < Steffanx> english-disease englishman.. We write "goedemorgen". People that seperate words like that have the "english-disease".
2017-12-23T17:50:21 < englishman> hallowelkom, steffy
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2017-12-23T17:54:10 < Steffanx> What can i do for you today englishman
2017-12-23T17:54:33 < englishman> can you manually rename 14TB of micro sd cards
2017-12-23T17:54:55 < englishman> and format them fat32 because exfat "causes problems"
2017-12-23T17:54:56 < Steffanx> oh that jar that non-full of SD cards right?
2017-12-23T17:55:08 < Steffanx> *with
2017-12-23T17:55:10 < Steffanx> whatever
2017-12-23T17:55:17 < englishman> the jar is always half empty with you
2017-12-23T17:55:33 < Laurenceb_> lol exfat
2017-12-23T17:55:46 < Laurenceb_> it seems to be part of the reason gofail is so fail
2017-12-23T17:55:53 < Steffanx> You didnt auto-it script it yet, englishman? Wrote some command line tool.. ?
2017-12-23T17:55:59 < Laurenceb_> lunix exfat drivers
2017-12-23T17:56:14 < englishman> i dono i havent started yet
2017-12-23T17:56:31 < englishman> 30cm snow today so i went in the hot tub
2017-12-23T17:56:34 < Steffanx> Better use usb audio class for mems data right, Laurenceb_? :P
2017-12-23T17:56:50 < Laurenceb_> it wurks
2017-12-23T17:56:57 < Steffanx> And then went skinny dipping in the snow englishman? Like a real finnish
2017-12-23T17:56:59 < Steffanx> er
2017-12-23T17:57:41 < englishman> yes
2017-12-23T17:57:45 < Laurenceb_> mems audio: IT'S 4D CHESS GUYS
2017-12-23T17:58:35 < englishman> i dono about automatic but doing it from the commandline is easy enough
2017-12-23T17:58:49 < englishman> since the name gets scanned in from barcode and the scanner even presses enter for me
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2017-12-23T18:08:44 < Lux> you can probably automate it to the extent that you just have to insert/remove the cards
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2017-12-23T18:26:19 < BrainDamage> look at udev
2017-12-23T18:26:49 < Steffanx> Im kinda sure englishman uses windows.
2017-12-23T18:27:29 < BrainDamage> well, this kind of automation is one of the tasks where lunix can do it easier than windows
2017-12-23T18:29:52 < Steffanx> Not really. Linux has no usable UI and will crash for sure. End of quote.
2017-12-23T18:31:04 < BrainDamage> ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯
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2017-12-23T18:49:47 < srk> Steffanx: what? :) no usable UI?
2017-12-23T18:50:09 < srk> were you like trying gnome-hell?
2017-12-23T19:05:18 < Fleck> ;p
2017-12-23T19:08:27 < englishman> pretty sure lunix doesnt support partition names
2017-12-23T19:09:04 < englishman> or if it does its much more difficult than format /V:name
2017-12-23T19:10:22 < Steffanx> srk, it was a quote (kinda). The generic ##stm32 lunix response.
2017-12-23T19:10:35 < srk> :))
2017-12-23T19:11:06 < srk> I'm heavy user but UI is not really my cup of tea
2017-12-23T19:11:23 < srk> using xmonad + urxvt(s)
2017-12-23T19:11:27 < Steffanx> Im sorry. Im unable to form my own opinion. Not that it matters because the ##stm32 opinion is the only one that really matters.
2017-12-23T19:11:44 < srk> most of the stuff is terminal based, except for firefox, mpv and atril/evince
2017-12-23T19:14:48 < Lux> englishman: pretty much the same in lunix with mkfs.vfat -n labelname
2017-12-23T19:15:41 < Lux> + the partition name ofc
2017-12-23T19:15:53 < Lux> i mean file
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2017-12-23T22:46:24 < upgrdman> englishman, re: ikea gerton, thanks for the advise! worked out ~perfect. i sanded, stained, then polyurethaned my gerton:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/gerton_desktop.jpg
2017-12-23T22:48:08 < upgrdman> yes
2017-12-23T22:49:48 < upgrdman> im still saving up to buy a house. currently just in a 1 bedroom condo. making do with what i have for now.
2017-12-23T22:50:15 < Steffanx> somehow this made me thing of R2COM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs No hard feelings, R2COM :P
2017-12-23T22:50:29 < upgrdman> i know that song :)
2017-12-23T22:54:14 < upgrdman> nice flower curtains
2017-12-23T22:54:52 < upgrdman> but seriously: doesnt having those lamp bulbs aimed directly at your face getting annoying?
2017-12-23T22:55:46 < upgrdman> R2COM sitting at his desk:  http://c8.alamy.com/comp/AKTJWJ/interrogation-scene-with-spotlights-shining-in-a-mans-face-back-view-AKTJWJ.jpg
2017-12-23T22:58:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, ? you mean the stain and poly?
2017-12-23T23:00:29 < upgrdman> stain to make it darker, so it matched my bedframe and so minor stains wont stand out. polyurethane to protect the surface. seals the pores, and i picked a satin sheen because that's what i like.
2017-12-23T23:03:58 < upgrdman> is it solid wood?
2017-12-23T23:04:25 < upgrdman> if yes, just sand and poly. or if it's stained too, you may have to re-stain and then poly.
2017-12-23T23:05:04 < BrainDamage> does it make it waterproof too? and is the finish opaque or shiny?
2017-12-23T23:06:11 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, water resistant. and i picked satin. you can get glossy or semi gloss or satin or matte.
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2017-12-23T23:07:42 < BrainDamage> nice, i wanted to make something that will literally have to be submerged in water for few minutes every now and then, aesthetics and resistance my main concerns
2017-12-23T23:08:30 < upgrdman> not sure if its that water resistant.
2017-12-23T23:09:06 < upgrdman> but this is my first try. ask me in a year or two, im sure i will have spilled water on it and forgotten about it.
2017-12-23T23:09:36 < BrainDamage> i guess I'll try asking few diy shops here if they have some reccomendation
2017-12-23T23:14:21 < upgrdman> R2COM, why is there a rag on the seat of your chair? sweaty ass?
2017-12-23T23:24:42 < Steffanx> looks cool, the desk upgrdman.
2017-12-23T23:24:48 < upgrdman> thx
2017-12-23T23:24:54 < Steffanx> but dont you like to have your pc at your hobby spot?
2017-12-23T23:26:02 < upgrdman> not really. i have my pc in the living room, with a sofa desk thinggy. it also mean to reach peak lazyness. i can lay on the couch while computing.
2017-12-23T23:26:08 < upgrdman> lemme see if i have a photo
2017-12-23T23:27:10 < Steffanx> My desk is like L shaped, pc screens and other crap on the | side and hobby stuff on the _ side. Just have to turn in my seat a bit :)
2017-12-23T23:33:50 < upgrdman> Steffanx, this is where i do most of my autisming:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/workstation.jpg
2017-12-23T23:34:06 < Steffanx> aha D:
2017-12-23T23:34:11 < upgrdman> i need to make my living room look better :D
2017-12-23T23:34:16 < upgrdman> but whatever
2017-12-23T23:34:24 < Steffanx> Doesnt your back hurt like shit after a while?
2017-12-23T23:34:54 < upgrdman> not at all
2017-12-23T23:35:14 < upgrdman> but i walk a lot, which helps. if im a lazy bump at home for days, then ya i'd be in pain
2017-12-23T23:35:20 < upgrdman> s/bump/bum
2017-12-23T23:36:30 < Steffanx> like the coming days? Between now and new years eve?
2017-12-23T23:36:45 < upgrdman> no, i walk a lot everyday
2017-12-23T23:37:13 < Steffanx> heh ok, just 4 fun?
2017-12-23T23:37:15 < upgrdman> currently averaging 5 miles (8km) a day
2017-12-23T23:37:17 < upgrdman> ya
2017-12-23T23:38:13 < upgrdman> i caught this while walking last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncFAhl8rnKE
2017-12-23T23:39:11 < Steffanx> Yeah was even on hte news here.
2017-12-23T23:57:20 < englishman> upgrdman: nice, that looks awesome
--- Day changed Sun Dec 24 2017
2017-12-24T00:00:19 < upgrdman> thx
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2017-12-24T00:46:21 < stvn> good morning englishbot
2017-12-24T00:46:25 < stvn> * englishman
2017-12-24T00:52:35 < Steffanx> Hah you fell for it mr stvn
2017-12-24T00:53:56 < Steffanx> What brings you here on Sunday?
2017-12-24T00:56:28 < stvn> welcome
2017-12-24T00:56:36 < stvn> just sitting down
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2017-12-24T00:59:16 < Steffanx> Thank you, welcomw
2017-12-24T00:59:17 < Steffanx> E
2017-12-24T01:01:17 < stvn>  \o/
2017-12-24T01:01:20 < stvn> what is new?
2017-12-24T01:04:23 < upgrdman> :)  https://i.imgur.com/rbx7B5K.gifv
2017-12-24T01:07:14 < stvn> stupid nigger
2017-12-24T01:07:31 < upgrdman> actually lol'd:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/7lm9mc/putting_a_metal_chain_in_a_blender_wcgw/
2017-12-24T01:08:03 < stvn> guess it didn't blend
2017-12-24T01:17:21 < stvn> https://imgur.com/rbx7B5K
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2017-12-24T01:26:14 < stvn> Steffanx: where is he
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2017-12-24T01:40:52 < stvn> let's try another one
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2017-12-24T01:45:17 < kakimir> secks
2017-12-24T01:45:27 < stvn> ?
2017-12-24T01:45:48 < kakimir> hot tubin with relatives and beer
2017-12-24T01:46:09 < stvn> gaypiss party?
2017-12-24T01:46:16 < kakimir> nah
2017-12-24T01:46:36 < stvn> oh well
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2017-12-24T01:54:38 < kakimir> :o
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2017-12-24T01:56:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zA2BSXGPVtTMcQGpDbE3fYiBdBwNygVR/view?usp=sharing
2017-12-24T02:07:24 < kakimir> when it summer I dream of autumn and when it's autumn I dream of winter and when its winter.. I dream of the one hot day in july
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2017-12-24T02:15:24 < Laurenceb_> >Finnish army rifles
2017-12-24T02:15:29 < Laurenceb_> >not the Eton rifles
2017-12-24T02:16:43 < kakimir> R2COM: 7,62mm x 39mm
2017-12-24T02:17:12 < kakimir> maybe
2017-12-24T02:17:28 < kakimir> shot with shitty rifle
2017-12-24T02:17:33 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0L86DRuC8
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2017-12-24T02:30:01 < day> whenever i program my nucleo board im getting an **programming failed** error. The result appears to be fine though. any idea why openocd is claiming that it didnt work?
2017-12-24T02:30:11 < day> stdout: http://lpaste.net/146237455970861056
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2017-12-24T02:56:30 < day> i am trying to get a simple usb example working. i took one of the libopencm3 examples for the stm32f4-discovery board. the  that chip used on that board appears to be almost identical to the stm32f411RE, but it runs at  120Mhz, which mine cant. Therefore i set it to 84Mhz. is that a problem in conjunction with USB?
2017-12-24T02:57:12 < day> the target platform being a nucleo stm32f411RE
2017-12-24T03:03:16 < dongs> opencm3 has working USB exaples?
2017-12-24T03:03:23 < dongs> surprising
2017-12-24T03:03:31 < day> emphasis being on examples or working?
2017-12-24T03:03:37 < dongs> working
2017-12-24T03:03:45 < day> that i cant judge
2017-12-24T03:04:05 < day> i assumed they would, they are in the official examples repo
2017-12-24T03:04:31 < dongs> anyway need to make sure youre setting up clocks on 411 correctly and that theres a  48mhz usb clock etc.
2017-12-24T03:04:38 < dongs> is there crystal on 411re nucleo?
2017-12-24T03:04:44 < dongs> you kinda need that for USB support.
2017-12-24T03:04:44 < day> sadly no
2017-12-24T03:04:46 < dongs> oh.
2017-12-24T03:04:48 < dongs> then thats why.
2017-12-24T03:04:54 < dongs> solder one up
2017-12-24T03:04:57 < dongs> should be pads for it right?
2017-12-24T03:04:59 < day> it doesnt work at all without it?
2017-12-24T03:05:01 < dongs> one of those HC49 shits
2017-12-24T03:05:06 < day> yeah it has a pad
2017-12-24T03:05:07 < dongs> correct, internal RC not accurate enough
2017-12-24T03:05:18 < dongs> you ned to run it off HSE + PLL to get USB clock
2017-12-24T03:05:29 < day> well people say usart doesnt work on internal either, but you get at least something
2017-12-24T03:05:47 < upgrdman> some discos can feed the stlink xtal to the target stm32
2017-12-24T03:05:47 < dongs> wat. never heard of this. i've run usart at 1mbit off intrc wiht zero issues.
2017-12-24T03:05:58 < day> on the atmegas*
2017-12-24T03:06:08 < day> maybe the arms have better internal rc's idk
2017-12-24T03:06:15 < dongs> upgrdman: o yeah,, actualyl now that you mention it i think thats how nucleos are setup
2017-12-24T03:06:25 < dongs> MCO from stdick goes to the clock
2017-12-24T03:06:37 < upgrdman> ya
2017-12-24T03:07:03 < day> actually i might already be using that. rcc_clock_setup_hse_3v3(&rcc_hse_8mhz_3v3[RCC_CLOCK_3V3_84MHZ]);
2017-12-24T03:07:10 < dongs> right
2017-12-24T03:07:16 < day> assuming hse stands for high speed external
2017-12-24T03:13:10 < dongs> 411 is 100Mhz max?
2017-12-24T03:13:23 < dongs> looks like it
2017-12-24T03:13:36 < day> yep. but theres no easy to use 100Mhz function so i went with the 84Mhz
2017-12-24T03:14:33 < dongs> you can do 96 with pll
2017-12-24T03:14:35 < dongs> and still have 48Mhz clocks
2017-12-24T03:15:04 < day> so i need a multipe of 48Mhz as the main clock?
2017-12-24T03:15:07 < dongs>  /M = 8, * N = 192, /P = 2
2017-12-24T03:15:11 < dongs> 8MHz
2017-12-24T03:15:13 < dongs> for HSE
2017-12-24T03:15:18 < dongs> (which is what stlink output should be)
2017-12-24T03:15:29 < day> yes it has a 8Mhz quarz
2017-12-24T03:16:35 < day> that being said the original example uses 120Mhz which isnt a multiple of 48Mhz either
2017-12-24T03:17:00 < dongs> PLL has a /Q for 48Mhz clocks
2017-12-24T03:17:19 < dongs> so it is possible to do something but im to lazy to figure out a good way
2017-12-24T03:17:27 < day> well theres an easy way to use 48Mhz as the main clock, that should just be as good
2017-12-24T03:44:26 < day> is it possible to check the usb frequency somehow?
2017-12-24T03:44:37 < dongs> what did you set it up as?
2017-12-24T03:44:45 < dongs> 84 is not a multiple of 48mhz btw
2017-12-24T03:44:51 < dongs> just do the settings I told you to run at 96mhz
2017-12-24T03:45:00 < day> i set it up to 48Mhz
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2017-12-24T03:45:13 < day> that should be ok, right?
2017-12-24T03:45:15 < dongs> you can output pllclk to MCO
2017-12-24T03:45:39 < dongs> hmm, but that doesnt guarantee usb is 48mhz.
2017-12-24T03:46:06 < day> no i realize that. thats why i want to check the usb frequency
2017-12-24T03:46:38 < day> the original example only does: rcc_clock_setup_hse_3v3(&rcc_hse_8mhz_3v3[RCC_CLOCK_3V3_48MHZ]); rcc_periph_clock_enable(RCC_OTGFS);
2017-12-24T03:46:42 < dongs> ah, /Q is always /4 on 401
2017-12-24T03:46:44 < dongs> er 411
2017-12-24T03:46:51 < dongs> what is your PLL N
2017-12-24T03:54:51 < day> .pllm = 8, .plln = 96, .pllp = 2, .pllq = 2, .pllr = 0,
2017-12-24T03:55:35 < day> at least thats what they are supposed to be based on the libopencm3 lib when executing rcc_clock_setup_hse_3v3(&rcc_hse_8mhz_3v3[RCC_CLOCK_3V3_48MHZ]);
2017-12-24T03:56:10 < dongs> yeah so change it to wat i said
2017-12-24T03:56:27 < dongs> n 192, p 2, q 4
2017-12-24T03:58:23 < dongs> strange that tehy let you cahnge /q
2017-12-24T03:58:28 < dongs> i thought it was fixed at /4
2017-12-24T03:58:42 < day> not according to f4/rcc.c
2017-12-24T03:59:13 < day> why do you think 96 is going to be better than 48?
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2017-12-24T04:09:34 < day> well the 96Mhz version doesnt seem to work at all. i added it to the library, in the same scheme the other frequencies are http://dpaste.com/104Z9YQ
2017-12-24T04:15:06 < dongs> day, for HCLK96 you need to /2 APB1
2017-12-24T04:18:11 < day> ah i missed that, i thought they were all using the same dividers. now usart is workign again so i assume its running at 96Mhz now
2017-12-24T04:20:36 < dongs> for the i2S/SAI shit
2017-12-24T04:25:51 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42978.2840
2017-12-24T04:25:58 < Laurenceb_> serious developments as always
2017-12-24T04:31:49 < dongs> i dont think ll has anything to do wiht it, if your board works, spi doesnt need any special weird clocking
2017-12-24T04:32:28 < day> why did you want me to run 96Mhz?
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2017-12-24T04:38:49 < dongs> donno, its a known working setup
2017-12-24T04:40:12 < day> one thing that i find odd is that the code contains things like USBOTG. Isnt OTG a host mode?
2017-12-24T04:40:42 < day> but the help file is pretty clear on what the code does, so it should be ok...
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2017-12-24T04:44:54 < dongs> USBOTG is the core name
2017-12-24T04:46:46 < day> if i boot the board up while boot0 is connected to 3.3V i can get the chip to spawn a new usb device. so at least my cabling is ok
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2017-12-24T04:57:46 < day> well, how could i verify the usb clock speed?
2017-12-24T04:59:37 < emeb_mac> route the usb clock out to one of the clkout pins & measure with scope
2017-12-24T05:01:11 < day> the usb clock being AHB2? from the datasheet: "BUS:AHB2 Boundary address: 0x5000 0000 - 0x5003 FFFF Peripheral: USB OTG FS"
2017-12-24T05:02:18 < upgrdman> anyone know of something like github, but with the ability to interactively navigate the code via the web page? e.g. you can click on a function name to jump to it's definition.
2017-12-24T05:08:14 < dongs> day, the peripheral is on AHB, but the clock is dedicated
2017-12-24T05:08:32 < dongs> for the PHY clock I think, while periphreal runs at whatever ahb is.
2017-12-24T05:08:35 < dongs> check clock tree for sure
2017-12-24T05:16:25 < day> the sysclk doesnt seem to matter. "The USB OTG FS clock (48 MHz) and the SDIO clock (≤ 48 MHz) which are coming from a specific output of PLL (PLL48CLK)"
2017-12-24T05:28:54 < day> according to the reference manual f_VCO clock = 8Mhz * PLLN / PLLM ? isnt that a bit fast? 8Mhz * 192 / 8 == 192Mhz
2017-12-24T05:31:19 < day> the USB OTG frequency depends only on f_VCO clock. so given a fixed hse i would now agree with your statement that pllq should always be the same. i am not sure why its changing in the libopencm3 library
2017-12-24T05:48:20 < day> nvm pllq needs to adjust for pllm/n
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2017-12-24T05:53:10 < dongs> pllq is fixed to /4 in qube shit
2017-12-24T05:53:11 < dongs> not sure why
2017-12-24T05:53:21 < dongs> but if its a /4 it works oK with M=192
2017-12-24T06:01:17 < dongs> 54 sounds a bit high
2017-12-24T06:01:22 < dongs> isnt its max like 48mhz
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2017-12-24T06:03:44 < dongs> ah ok
2017-12-24T06:03:45 < dongs> thats fne then
2017-12-24T06:05:12 < upgrdman> so at work, the owner had a 3d printer sitting around at one of his other companies. he offered to send it to my office. now i have a MakerButt Pooplicator to fix and play with:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/replicator.jpg
2017-12-24T06:05:49 < upgrdman> frame is fragile as shit. it was packed well but managed to brake off lots of the chassis clips in shipping
2017-12-24T06:07:18 < upgrdman> anyone played with a Replicator? does it print decently?
2017-12-24T06:07:20 < dongs> 200mhz max goes to cortex core
2017-12-24T06:13:58 < day> dongs: yeah 4 happens to be right
2017-12-24T06:14:33 < day> PA4 is supposed to be connected to VBUS, which is +5V. im a bit hesitant to connect that
2017-12-24T06:15:00 < dongs> day, uhhh on 411RE?
2017-12-24T06:15:04 < dongs> no its not
2017-12-24T06:15:14 < dongs> thats a TC pin too, it will burn
2017-12-24T06:15:22 < day> yeah thats why i dont want to
2017-12-24T06:15:27 < dongs> PA9 is FT_VBUS
2017-12-24T06:15:36 < dongs> where doyou see pa4?
2017-12-24T06:15:38 < day> but the reference manual says PA9 <------- VBUS
2017-12-24T06:15:42 < dongs> yeah, PA9
2017-12-24T06:15:43 < dongs> you said PA4
2017-12-24T06:15:47 < dongs> PA9 is fine
2017-12-24T06:15:50 < day> oh sorry
2017-12-24T06:15:55 < day> PA9 is special?
2017-12-24T06:16:05 < dongs> yes
2017-12-24T06:16:11 < dongs> its a FT pin, and it works for that purpose
2017-12-24T06:26:49 < day> fk me...
2017-12-24T06:27:10 < day> 5h wasted because VBUS appears to be an requirement :^)
2017-12-24T06:29:42 < dongs> cool
2017-12-24T06:29:55 < day> thanks for your support though
2017-12-24T06:33:02 < day> what exactly is a FT-Pin though? it seems to have two clamping diodes
2017-12-24T06:33:46 < day> but do they clamp the voltage down to 3.3V? in that case a lot of current is flowing through them, as theres no resistor limiting it
2017-12-24T06:36:52 < dongs> yes
2017-12-24T06:37:18 < day> so i should have a resistor in series?
2017-12-24T06:44:52 < day> looks like they clamp at 5V. but better safe than sorry~
2017-12-24T06:47:11 < emeb_mac> what doesn't work?
2017-12-24T06:47:16 < emeb_mac> clock wrong?
2017-12-24T06:47:24 < emeb_mac> miso/mosi missing?
2017-12-24T06:47:27 < emeb_mac> no CS?
2017-12-24T06:48:24 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-12-24T06:51:32 < emeb_mac> looks like you did all the right stuff - clocks enabled, gpio on & set to AF, spi port setup.
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2017-12-24T06:52:04 < emeb_mac> I've not used the LL stuff tho, so no idea how that all works.
2017-12-24T06:52:19 < emeb_mac> probably should try that sometime.
2017-12-24T06:52:51 < emeb_mac> do you use cubemx to check your pin routing, clocks & af stuff?
2017-12-24T06:52:58 < emeb_mac> I find it helpful
2017-12-24T06:53:36 < dongs> R2COM: does F7 hajve the new SPI peripehral that needs fifo stuff configured
2017-12-24T06:53:40 < dongs> before it works
2017-12-24T06:53:43 < dongs> same as in F3
2017-12-24T06:53:56 < emeb_mac> ah, good point.
2017-12-24T06:54:06 < emeb_mac> I'll check my HAL code for f7 stuff
2017-12-24T06:54:15 < dongs>     SPI_RxFIFOThresholdConfig(SPI2, SPI_RxFIFOThreshold_QF);
2017-12-24T06:54:16 < dongs> this shit
2017-12-24T06:54:21 < dongs> wahtever is equivalent in hal/ll
2017-12-24T06:54:33 < dongs> to run ebfore enabvle SPI
2017-12-24T06:55:39 < dongs> yeah thats fine, i mean, that part is needed to make it work, either tx or rx
2017-12-24T06:55:48 < dongs> so you ahve it, thats not the issue
2017-12-24T06:55:53 < emeb_mac> on my F746 stuff I didn't mess w/ fifos
2017-12-24T07:02:10 < emeb_mac> shouldn't be
2017-12-24T07:02:31 < emeb_mac> should flow thru - only buffers if the output is blocked due to slow transmit
2017-12-24T07:03:22 < emeb_mac> if TXE = 0
2017-12-24T07:04:01 < emeb_mac> when TXE = 1 then next byte is pulled from fifo to SPI output reg
2017-12-24T07:04:20 < emeb_mac> then TXE = 0 until that byte is sent and output reg is ready for next
2017-12-24T07:05:13 < emeb_mac> do you check that TXE = 1 before writing to DR?
2017-12-24T07:05:33 < emeb_mac> all my SPI PIO code does that
2017-12-24T07:06:16 < emeb_mac> also you should wait for RXNE and read from DR to clear that condition
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2017-12-24T07:08:49 < emeb_mac> here
2017-12-24T07:08:49 < emeb_mac> s
2017-12-24T07:08:58 < emeb_mac>  my spi output code
2017-12-24T07:08:59 < emeb_mac> https://www.paste.org/89453
2017-12-24T07:09:41 < emeb_mac> thru trial / error I found that this works and is necessary
2017-12-24T07:10:03 < emeb_mac> not doing any of these things results in no worky
2017-12-24T07:10:58 < dongs> emeb_mac: nice wrapper on a wrapper of a wrapper
2017-12-24T07:11:22 < emeb_mac> dongs: I'm xhibit all the way
2017-12-24T07:11:55 < dongs> emeb_mac: why do you use __IO :(
2017-12-24T07:12:12 < emeb_mac> dongs: cargo cult
2017-12-24T07:12:37 < emeb_mac> probably makes no diff, but __IO is same as volatile so may prevent optimizing out.
2017-12-24T07:12:47 < dongs> yeah, i mean, just use volatile
2017-12-24T07:12:53 < dongs> so your shit is at least portable
2017-12-24T07:13:25 < emeb_mac> meh - it's all bolted on top of HAL anyway. not like I'm going to retarget some other lib
2017-12-24T07:13:43 < dongs> Right
2017-12-24T07:14:28 < dongs> you could read it as a dumy
2017-12-24T07:14:34 < dongs> just do SPI2->DR; or somethign in code
2017-12-24T07:14:47 < dongs> you could always do that right before the send
2017-12-24T07:24:34 < emeb_mac> better just bitbang
2017-12-24T07:25:54 < emeb_mac> can you wiggle the pins w/ GPIO?
2017-12-24T07:26:09 < emeb_mac> sometimes that's a good test to see if you're doing something silly
2017-12-24T07:26:19 < dongs> hm yeah
2017-12-24T07:26:24 < dongs> thats a good point
2017-12-24T07:27:51 < dongs> no
2017-12-24T07:27:53 < dongs> try with the pin that doesnt work
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2017-12-24T07:30:10 < emeb_mac> ooo
2017-12-24T07:30:21 < emeb_mac> good clue that you need to look elsewhere.
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2017-12-24T07:35:18 < dongs> wait waht?
2017-12-24T07:35:22 < dongs> why are you even fucking with cs
2017-12-24T07:35:23 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-24T07:35:28 < dongs> SPI master doesnt trouch CS anyway
2017-12-24T07:35:33 < dongs> it should be as GPIO anyway
2017-12-24T07:40:35 < dongs> nice.
2017-12-24T07:40:37 < dongs> well, shit
2017-12-24T07:46:49 < emeb_mac> shouldn't matter.
2017-12-24T07:46:59 < emeb_mac> but I always do the gpio b4 the spi
2017-12-24T07:47:02 < dongs> doesnt matter at all
2017-12-24T07:51:04 < emeb_mac> did you dbl check that you're using the right AF mux value?
2017-12-24T07:51:11 < dongs> he did
2017-12-24T07:51:15 < dongs> SCK is using a weird mux
2017-12-24T07:51:22 < dongs> that isnt in all other F4/F7s
2017-12-24T07:51:27 < dongs> on hhis F76whatever
2017-12-24T07:51:31 < dongs> its on PA4 or osmeshit
2017-12-24T07:51:36 < dongs> no other chip has SPI2_CLK there
2017-12-24T07:51:42 < emeb_mac> that's whack
2017-12-24T07:52:26 < emeb_mac> hopefully not req'd crazy override regs elsewhere
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2017-12-24T07:56:12 < dongs> oh
2017-12-24T07:56:13 < dongs> you idiot
2017-12-24T07:56:18 < dongs> AF needs PinSOURCE
2017-12-24T07:56:20 < dongs> not PIN
2017-12-24T07:56:22 < dongs> check the syntax
2017-12-24T07:56:32 < dongs> i think pin is 1<<x
2017-12-24T07:56:35 < dongs> and pinsource is 0..15
2017-12-24T07:56:41 < dongs> so youre setting wrong AF
2017-12-24T07:56:50 < dongs> 2nd arg to LL_GPIO_SetAFPin_0_7
2017-12-24T07:57:58 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-12-24T07:58:04 < dongs> hmm
2017-12-24T07:58:07 < dongs> nope, in LL its same
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2017-12-24T08:01:21 < dongs> its not a pin they ever had SPI2 on before
2017-12-24T08:01:23 < dongs> yes
2017-12-24T08:01:26 < dongs> but i donno
2017-12-24T08:02:17 < dongs> even F7
2017-12-24T08:02:24 < dongs> its not there on F72/4/wahtever
2017-12-24T08:02:27 < dongs> only on F76
2017-12-24T08:02:29 < emeb_mac> R2COM:
2017-12-24T08:02:34 < emeb_mac> I see a problem
2017-12-24T08:02:37 < emeb_mac> in your codes
2017-12-24T08:02:37 < dongs> oh?
2017-12-24T08:02:53 < emeb_mac> LL_GPIO_SetAFPin_0_7(GPIOA, LL_GPIO_PIN_12 ,LL_GPIO_AF_5);
2017-12-24T08:03:00 < dongs> OH!
2017-12-24T08:03:01 < dongs> lol
2017-12-24T08:03:04 < emeb_mac> that function only works on pins 0-7
2017-12-24T08:03:06 < dongs> Pin_0_7
2017-12-24T08:03:07 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-24T08:03:11 < emeb_mac> but your using it on pin12
2017-12-24T08:03:55 < dongs> zing!
2017-12-24T08:04:13 < dongs> r2com shut up
2017-12-24T08:04:26 < dongs> @brief  Configure gpio alternate function for a dedicated pin from 0 to 7 *         included, of a dedicated port. Possible values are from AF0 to *         AF15 depending on target.
2017-12-24T08:04:40 < dongs> there's LL_GPIO_SetAFPin_8_15
2017-12-24T08:04:43 < emeb_mac> separate func for pins 8-15
2017-12-24T08:04:44 < dongs> for pin 12
2017-12-24T08:04:58 < dongs> emeb_mac: good fucking catch
2017-12-24T08:05:03 < dongs> also, fuck LL for being such retarded shit
2017-12-24T08:05:11 < emeb_mac> dongs: was reading the HAL LL sources
2017-12-24T08:05:17 < emeb_mac> and spotted that
2017-12-24T08:05:26 < emeb_mac> in the comments for the func
2017-12-24T08:05:34 < dongs> right
2017-12-24T08:06:24 < emeb_mac> too bad that the LL codes don't have asserts to catch stuff like that
2017-12-24T08:06:33 < dongs> they dont work anyway do they??
2017-12-24T08:06:41 < emeb_mac> maybe not
2017-12-24T08:06:45 < dongs> like that shit never works wehn yo udo RCC_AHB1)CLK to configure APB2 peripehralsa
2017-12-24T08:07:28 < emeb_mac> I guess it'd have to be runtime
2017-12-24T08:07:42 < emeb_mac> and that's kinda against the very notion of LL
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2017-12-24T08:13:42 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-12-24T08:14:21 < dongs> i have no idea why they split that shit
2017-12-24T08:14:26 < dongs> that sounds like a retarded plan
2017-12-24T08:14:29 < dongs> setting up for failure
2017-12-24T08:16:07 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-12-24T08:16:22 < emeb_mac> checking to see if you're paying attention
2017-12-24T08:16:34 < emeb_mac> weird
2017-12-24T08:45:44 < emeb_mac> R2COM: sure
2017-12-24T08:46:43 < emeb_mac> I often set CS to be driven by a timer
2017-12-24T08:46:55 < emeb_mac> then that timer also triggers DMA
2017-12-24T08:47:06 < emeb_mac> so you can make spi go completely automatic
2017-12-24T08:47:15 < emeb_mac> it's not so bad
2017-12-24T08:47:42 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-12-24T08:47:54 < emeb_mac> I've done that for SPI DACs
2017-12-24T08:48:05 < emeb_mac> that run continuously
2017-12-24T08:48:25 < emeb_mac> set up a circular buffer with IRQ to CPU to fill the buffer
2017-12-24T08:48:33 < emeb_mac> but CPU doesn't need to manage CS
2017-12-24T08:48:40 < emeb_mac> just fill the buffer
2017-12-24T08:48:53 < emeb_mac> while DMA + timer + spi go automatically
2017-12-24T08:50:24 < emeb_mac> timer can run continuously too
2017-12-24T08:50:33 < emeb_mac> or you could set a repeat count
2017-12-24T08:50:49 < emeb_mac> or have DMA finish
2017-12-24T08:51:02 < emeb_mac> depends on your application
2017-12-24T08:51:16 < emeb_mac> some apps need CS toggling
2017-12-24T08:51:19 < emeb_mac> some don't
2017-12-24T08:51:23 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-12-24T08:51:41 < dongs> none of them do
2017-12-24T08:51:44 < emeb_mac> eg - when I talk to SPI displays they keep CS low for entire data block
2017-12-24T08:52:03 < emeb_mac> yeah - atmel stuff has autocs
2017-12-24T08:52:12 < emeb_mac> that's nice for some stuff
2017-12-24T08:53:16 < dongs> ugh
2017-12-24T08:53:19 < dongs> fucking nand flash
2017-12-24T08:53:23 < dongs> the need for ECC is real
2017-12-24T08:53:33 < dongs> im reading 8gbit chip
2017-12-24T08:53:39 < dongs> each read returns different bytes
2017-12-24T08:53:40 < dongs> lol
2017-12-24T08:53:50 < dongs> at least few blocks where there's a single bit error
2017-12-24T08:54:17 < dongs> yes, as in 1 GiB
2017-12-24T08:54:36 < dongs> normal FSMC speed
2017-12-24T08:54:42 < emeb_mac> fun
2017-12-24T08:56:18 < emeb_mac> we did some BCH based ECC a while back
2017-12-24T08:56:41 < emeb_mac> but there's lots of C code for ECC floating around.
2017-12-24T08:59:57 < dongs> emeb_mac: im just gonna steal lunix bch code
2017-12-24T09:00:01 < dongs> from mtd/nand driver
2017-12-24T09:00:07 < dongs> but
2017-12-24T09:00:08 < emeb_mac> dongs: that's the right idea
2017-12-24T09:00:15 < dongs> who checks the chckers?
2017-12-24T09:00:18 < dongs> what if there's an error in ecc data
2017-12-24T09:01:10 < emeb_mac> dongs: bch can tell you if there are more errors than it can correct
2017-12-24T09:01:14 < emeb_mac> up to a point
2017-12-24T09:01:55 < dongs> errors are from nand reads
2017-12-24T09:02:03 < dongs> flash is inherently shitty media
2017-12-24T09:02:06 < emeb_mac> and errors in parity bits count as overall errors - those can be corrected too if less than the overall error capability
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2017-12-24T09:03:19 < emeb_mac> nand flash esp.
2017-12-24T09:03:24 < emeb_mac> nor is better
2017-12-24T09:03:26 < dongs> right
2017-12-24T09:03:36 < emeb_mac> and mlc is even worse
2017-12-24T09:03:44 < dongs> yeah this is SLC
2017-12-24T09:03:51 < dongs> 8bit/512bytes ecc
2017-12-24T09:04:07 < dongs> which as my research shows means it can recover up to 8 bits of errors per 512 bytes
2017-12-24T09:04:12 < dongs> this requires 7bytes of ecc per 4k block
2017-12-24T09:04:21 < dongs> and wahtever bch fuckery
2017-12-24T09:04:27 < emeb_mac> yah
2017-12-24T09:04:40 < emeb_mac> bch is weird stuff
2017-12-24T09:04:45 < dongs> ive found out all the requirements and found lunix code that does bch, was gonna import it later and write some userspace proof of concept in vstudio to see how it works
2017-12-24T09:05:24 < emeb_mac> we did a VHDL FPGA version based on this: https://github.com/russdill/bch_verilog
2017-12-24T09:07:00 < emeb_mac> would have been nice if ST had built the ECC into the FMC
2017-12-24T09:07:14 < emeb_mac> doesn't take a lot of gates
2017-12-24T09:07:58 < dongs> nand with on-chip ecc
2017-12-24T09:08:58 < dongs> not my choice
2017-12-24T09:09:17 < dongs> a lot of chipsets have ECC handling in teh controller (like emeb_mac says)
2017-12-24T09:09:23 < dongs> so this is transparent to normal users
2017-12-24T09:10:25 < emeb_mac> hmm
2017-12-24T09:10:37 < emeb_mac> F4 Ref Manual says FMC has ECC built in
2017-12-24T09:10:43 < dongs> wat
2017-12-24T09:11:10 < emeb_mac> Two banks of NAND Flash memory with ECC hardware to check up to 8 Kbytes of data
2017-12-24T09:12:42 < emeb_mac> section 37.6.6 in RM0090
2017-12-24T09:12:55 < dongs> hmm i think it has ecc for reads
2017-12-24T09:12:56 < dongs> but nto writes?
2017-12-24T09:13:31 < dongs> The error correction code (ECC) algorithm implemented in the FSMC can perform 1-bit error
2017-12-24T09:13:34 < dongs> correction and 2-bit error detection per 256, 512, 1 024, 2 048, 4 096 or 8 192 bytes read
2017-12-24T09:13:37 < dongs> from or written to NAND Flash memory. It is based on the Hamming coding algorithm and
2017-12-24T09:13:40 < dongs> consists in calculating the row and column parity.
2017-12-24T09:13:43 < dongs> oh
2017-12-24T09:13:45 < dongs> its not even BCH?
2017-12-24T09:13:46 < dongs> and not the same as my stuff anyway
2017-12-24T09:13:51 < emeb_mac> sounds like
2017-12-24T09:13:53 < dongs> mine is 8bit/512byte
2017-12-24T09:13:53 < emeb_mac> not useful
2017-12-24T09:14:02 < dongs> i did saw some flash shit with hamming while reading lunix shit
2017-12-24T09:14:20 < emeb_mac> zzzzz time in Arizona
2017-12-24T09:14:21 < emeb_mac> gn
2017-12-24T09:14:23 < dongs> indeed
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2017-12-24T09:25:47 < stvn> all present
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2017-12-24T09:36:14 < dongs> not me
2017-12-24T09:36:19 < dongs> im busy stealing lunix codez
2017-12-24T09:36:30 < stvn> beats writing it yourself
2017-12-24T09:36:41 < dongs> absolutely
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2017-12-24T10:42:38 < dongs> what hte fuck fucking lunix
2017-12-24T10:55:08 < dongs> 	 * We cannot do this on 32 bits because at the very least some
2017-12-24T10:55:09 < dongs> 	 * 486 CPUs did not behave this way.
2017-12-24T10:55:13 < dongs> ^ comment inside lunix code
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2017-12-24T11:10:54 < dongs> http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/fellows.html why do all the linux developers look like fucking criminas
2017-12-24T11:10:57 < dongs> criminals
2017-12-24T11:10:57 < dongs> god damn
2017-12-24T11:11:02 < dongs> look at those mugshots
2017-12-24T11:11:19 < dongs> josh boyer is probly the only normal looking guy there
2017-12-24T11:13:59 < PaulFertser> Artem certainly looks like a russian thug.
2017-12-24T11:14:20 < dongs> missing full-body tatoos to look like a thug
2017-12-24T11:17:03 < dongs> PaulFertser: fucking gcc.
2017-12-24T11:17:23 < dongs> first thing I try to import into vstudio and it fails.
2017-12-24T11:17:38 < dongs> type containing an unknown-size array is not allowed
2017-12-24T11:17:42 < dongs> apaprently its a-ok in gcc.
2017-12-24T11:17:56 < PaulFertser> dongs: at the end of a struct?
2017-12-24T11:17:57 < dongs> struct crap { uint a; uint b[0]; }
2017-12-24T11:18:08 < dongs> inside anothter struct,
2017-12-24T11:18:21 < dongs> struct morecrap { struct crap yay; uint c[2]; }
2017-12-24T11:18:24 < dongs> no, at beginning
2017-12-24T11:18:53 < dongs> how do lunixfags get anything done wiht such obvious disrespect for K&R C?
2017-12-24T11:19:01 < PaulFertser> dongs: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36577094/array-of-size-0-at-the-end-of-struct
2017-12-24T11:20:40 < dongs> that doesnt tell me why they keep using obviously breaking constructs
2017-12-24T11:20:40 < PaulFertser> dongs: so should be supported in c99 mode with [] instead of [0].
2017-12-24T11:20:45 < dongs> its not
2017-12-24T11:21:51 < PaulFertser> C is a very limited language and that trick was is obviosly a hack but it improves both readablity and efficiency compared to the alternatives.
2017-12-24T11:22:19 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_array_member supported since C99
2017-12-24T11:22:31 < dongs> not in vstudio 2015
2017-12-24T11:24:12 < PaulFertser> It doesn't support C99 in year 2017?
2017-12-24T11:26:02 < dongs> correct
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2017-12-24T11:30:18 < dongs> wow
2017-12-24T11:30:38 < dongs> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=gf_poly_str&type=
2017-12-24T11:30:50 < dongs> amazing, this is not defined *anywhere*
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2017-12-24T11:43:26 < PaulFertser> dongs: heh, indeed, because it's normally compiled out as dbg() is not defined. But when you use it as a library and you want debug, you're supposed to do something like https://github.com/Parrot-Developers/bch/blob/master/Documentation/bch/tu_correct.c
2017-12-24T11:45:15 < PaulFertser> btw, the library is GPLv2+, so it'll "infect" all your other code with GPLv2 (or later, at your preference).
2017-12-24T11:51:17 < PaulFertser> Hm, that parrot swing is kinda unusual for a quad.
2017-12-24T13:16:44 < dongs> PaulFertser: thats funny, thats NOWHERE in lunix soers
2017-12-24T13:17:47 < dongs> PaulFertser: they dont fix the compiler issues in the lib
2017-12-24T13:18:00 < dongs> if im gonna fix it, i might as well relicense it under the dongs non-public license 0.1
2017-12-24T13:18:11 < dongs> which simply reads: "dongs does what teh fuck he wants with this code."
2017-12-24T13:24:45 < dongs> PaulFertser: that shit doesnt actually make sense even in original code
2017-12-24T13:24:52 < dongs> if you can have zero-element array in last of the struct
2017-12-24T13:24:58 < dongs> hwo the fuck would it work in the begining of another struct?
2017-12-24T13:25:01 < dongs> fucking gcc trolls
2017-12-24T13:36:20 < dongs> had to rearrange teh struct
2017-12-24T13:36:23 < dongs> to make it work
2017-12-24T13:36:29 < dongs> putting the unknown size at the end
2017-12-24T13:40:37 < dongs> its funny how even such a tiny piece of lunix code has so many compiler problems
2017-12-24T13:40:43 < dongs> imagine how awful the rest of it is!
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2017-12-24T13:41:37 < dongs> hilarious how they they they can macro up some stuff and assign it to a const int and think compiler will just accept it as array size
2017-12-24T13:41:52 < dongs> despite teh const shit being fucking variable coz it refernces shit inside a dynamic struct pointer
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2017-12-24T13:44:03 < dongs> ahahahah they late use sizeof() on that variable size array
2017-12-24T13:44:06 < dongs> unfuckiung believable wow
2017-12-24T13:44:20 < dongs> i think i better look for non-faggot version of this bch stuff
2017-12-24T13:44:30 < dongs> i can't afford to have bugs due to translating shit buggy code
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2017-12-24T14:22:25 < dongs> https://github.com/dlbeer/dhara/blob/master/ecc/bch.c
2017-12-24T14:22:27 < dongs> this looks better
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2017-12-24T19:35:47 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia
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2017-12-24T19:52:18 < Laurenceb_> I finally analysed LED crop lighting versus HPS
2017-12-24T19:52:35 < Laurenceb_> LED is 5% cheaper over 10 years operating lifetime
2017-12-24T19:52:59 < Laurenceb_> dunno why anyone would bother tbh
2017-12-24T19:55:10 < Laurenceb_> Tectu at wurk http://www.exciteled.ch/en
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2017-12-24T19:59:56 < Laurenceb_> dunno what they hope that heatsink will achieve
2017-12-24T20:30:18 < kakimir> movie recommend for the night: Terry Pratchetts Hogfather (2006)
2017-12-24T20:30:34 < Steffanx> sounds boring
2017-12-24T20:31:31 < kakimir> The Flight Before Christmas (2008 film)
2017-12-24T20:32:16 < Steffanx> Only xmas movie i wanna see is Home Alone :P
2017-12-24T20:33:33 < kakimir> I did santa gig 2x just a moment ago
2017-12-24T20:40:09 < BrainDamage> die hard best xmas movie
2017-12-24T20:42:36 < Laurenceb_> They “all have AIDS,” Trump reportedly said, referring to 15,000 Haitians that had obtained visas
2017-12-24T20:42:40 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-12-24T20:44:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Std0QlMadgDPuo8bi1PckUtoZoKOCx6R/view?usp=sharing santa is real
2017-12-24T20:45:28 < kakimir> so skinny - has done some lifting with gift bags
2017-12-24T20:49:13 < kakimir> https://i.redd.it/bkc6z0biok4y.jpg
2017-12-24T20:52:21 < kakimir> julbukk https://somethingswedish.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/mask.jpg
2017-12-24T20:52:50 < kakimir> horns and everything
2017-12-24T20:54:08 < kakimir> I wonder if they have arsoned that swedish giant straw goat yet
2017-12-24T20:56:04 < BrainDamage> oh, an old movie you might want to watch
2017-12-24T20:56:08 < BrainDamage> the wicker man
2017-12-24T21:13:18 < Steffanx> horror wit nicolas cage.. that must be real a horror to watch :P
2017-12-24T21:14:12 < kakimir> what to do it's christmas
2017-12-24T21:14:30 < Steffanx> You watching it at xmas.
2017-12-24T21:15:09 < kakimir> ate skinkka, ate salmon, drank wine but wasn't drunk like last year with one of relatives
2017-12-24T21:16:13 < Steffanx> what the hell is skinkka?
2017-12-24T21:16:25 < kakimir> swedish for kinkku
2017-12-24T21:16:44 < kakimir> pork ass
2017-12-24T21:17:07 < kakimir> yes but
2017-12-24T21:17:36 < kakimir> a but
2017-12-24T21:19:29 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: I'm talking about the 70s movie, not the shitty sequel
2017-12-24T21:19:41 < BrainDamage> or the remake
2017-12-24T21:21:59 < branjb> what are retail stores besides ikea that sell desks?  need a sub $500 L shaped desk
2017-12-24T21:31:06 < kakimir> what country?
2017-12-24T21:31:15 < kakimir> I went in ikea once
2017-12-24T21:31:18 < kakimir> for a desk
2017-12-24T21:31:36 < kakimir> then I destroyed the desk on site
2017-12-24T21:31:52 < branjb> arizona
2017-12-24T21:32:21 < kakimir> went to info desk and I said like "yeah I kinda broke your desk there it's falling appart. bye"
2017-12-24T21:45:46 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/b78b61idjs501.jpg
2017-12-24T21:46:06 < upgrdman> ^ jack off lube for kidz
2017-12-24T22:01:50 < englishman> Laurenceb_: Will LEDs really last 10 years
2017-12-24T22:01:57 < englishman> does anyone offer a 10 year warranty
2017-12-24T22:02:27 < Laurenceb_> people have published datasheets
2017-12-24T22:02:38 < Laurenceb_> s/datasheets/test results
2017-12-24T22:02:48 < Laurenceb_> its very dependent on temperature
2017-12-24T22:03:15 < Laurenceb_> at <60C die temperature the best LEDs last 10 years at 8hr/day with <10% performance reduction
2017-12-24T22:04:02 < Laurenceb_> the best HPS needs a couple of bulb replacements over that time
2017-12-24T22:04:30 < englishman> which is fine they cost nothing
2017-12-24T22:04:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-12-24T22:04:40 < englishman> I'd be very skeptical of those led lifetimes
2017-12-24T22:04:47 < englishman> without a mfg guarantee
2017-12-24T22:04:52 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-12-24T22:04:54 < englishman> same holds for MH?
2017-12-24T22:05:07 < Laurenceb_> MH is worse than HPS
2017-12-24T22:05:15 < englishman> 8hr/day is not practical either
2017-12-24T22:05:36 < Laurenceb_> a bit lower efficiency, more expensive bulbs and lower bulb lifetime
2017-12-24T22:05:37 < englishman> some plants can tolerate 24hr in some growing phases
2017-12-24T22:06:01 < Laurenceb_> englishman: apparently the best market is supplementary greenhouse lighting
2017-12-24T22:06:18 < Laurenceb_> but this was coming from perman00b guy who cant design a heatsink so...
2017-12-24T22:06:34 < englishman> 8hr led life
2017-12-24T22:06:44 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-12-24T22:06:45 < BrainDamage> low power leds can have insafe lifetimes
2017-12-24T22:06:49 < Laurenceb_> prob on his lights
2017-12-24T22:07:08 < BrainDamage> it's the high power ones that have wonky lifetimes and depend on tech
2017-12-24T22:07:16 < BrainDamage> and die temps
2017-12-24T22:12:34 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, wouldnt it just be because status leds dont get so hot? i mean, if you drive your status led at 1mA but keep it at 85C... will it last any longer than a power led?
2017-12-24T22:13:41 < BrainDamage> temperature isn't the only failure mechanism in a semicoductor
2017-12-24T22:14:22 < BrainDamage> there's electromigration, dielectric breakdowns, crystalline defects, etc
2017-12-24T22:14:57 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-24T22:15:16 < BrainDamage> low power leds are a much more ... rough tech
2017-12-24T22:15:24 < BrainDamage> large sizes, large tollerances, etc
2017-12-24T22:15:58 < BrainDamage> think of it like sports car vs utility car
2017-12-24T22:16:17 < BrainDamage> the utility can take much more abuse even if the top performance is going to be much worse
2017-12-24T22:24:29 < srk> Laurenceb_: olol, Crafted from a superb piece of aluminum, the aerodynamic design of the fSpectrum+ primarily serves as a passive cooling mechanism.
2017-12-24T22:24:48 < srk> very expensive LED heatsink :D
2017-12-24T22:24:52 < srk> but comes with a button!
2017-12-24T22:33:01 < Laurenceb_> srk: yeah they dont seem to understand aerodynamics
2017-12-24T22:33:19 < Laurenceb_> air intakes are on the sides O_o
2017-12-24T22:33:33 < srk> growlight aerodynamics
2017-12-24T22:33:43 < srk> for stunning 125W
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2017-12-24T22:36:45 < Laurenceb_> http://www.growweedeasy.com/sites/growweedeasy.com/files/blackstar-led-grow-lights-kieflicious.jpg
2017-12-24T22:37:08 < Laurenceb_> the only application of led growlamps
2017-12-24T22:40:40 < srk> :))
2017-12-24T22:40:58  * srk runs to roll a big one 
2017-12-24T22:45:49 < Steffanx> no drugs in ##stm32
2017-12-24T22:46:22 < Steffanx> Stoners, too much (32)
2017-12-24T22:47:16 < kakimir> and taxed
2017-12-24T22:48:18 < BrainDamage> you don't tax the customer, you tax the service provider
2017-12-24T22:48:21 < BrainDamage> like any earning
2017-12-24T22:48:25 < kakimir> taxed as everything else is
2017-12-24T22:48:37 < kakimir> VAT
2017-12-24T22:48:46 < BrainDamage> vat is actually a tax to the customer
2017-12-24T22:49:03 < kakimir> where you want them taxes?
2017-12-24T22:49:07 < kakimir> from companies?
2017-12-24T22:49:12 < kakimir> it is
2017-12-24T22:49:20 < kakimir> concidering what they do with it
2017-12-24T22:49:44 < kakimir> 5% would run the society in your case how it is now
2017-12-24T22:50:35 < kakimir> actually most of it goes to war related stuff
2017-12-24T22:52:02 < kakimir> same thing than here but in U.S. it works much worse
2017-12-24T22:52:29 < kakimir> oh it's only like under third of your taxes
2017-12-24T22:54:59 < Steffanx> More sponsoring money to the whores.
2017-12-24T22:55:24 < Steffanx> The ones you visit?
2017-12-24T22:58:04 < Laurenceb_> we unleashed the R2COM rage
2017-12-24T22:58:22 < Laurenceb_> dude calm down, smoke some weed
2017-12-24T22:58:43 < Laurenceb_> maybe I can trigger some more ppls
2017-12-24T22:58:49 < Laurenceb_> T H E R A N O S
2017-12-24T22:59:18 < BrainDamage> maybe you could find a more sane hobby
2017-12-24T22:59:32 < BrainDamage> like toxic dumpster diving
2017-12-24T22:59:44 < BrainDamage> laurenceb's hobby
2017-12-24T23:00:03 < Laurenceb_> somewhere on youtube there is a guy who goes radiactive waste diving
2017-12-24T23:01:07 < Laurenceb_> >tfw my uncle used to work at Dounreay
2017-12-24T23:01:31 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/assets/news_articles/2012/08/1345535364_21aug12-shaft.jpg
2017-12-24T23:01:35 < Laurenceb_> fancy a swim?
2017-12-24T23:02:27 < Steffanx> How's shaker-gate Laurenceb_?
2017-12-24T23:02:37 < Laurenceb_> dunno
2017-12-24T23:02:48 < Laurenceb_> manager is refusing to talk to me
2017-12-24T23:02:52 < Steffanx> me neither, that's why i ask.
2017-12-24T23:03:26 < Laurenceb_> shaker is still broken
2017-12-24T23:03:29 < BrainDamage> have you guys considered ditching the health industry and repourposing your machines for the porn industry? i bet they could both the shaker and the sensors
2017-12-24T23:03:36 < BrainDamage> and less regulations
2017-12-24T23:03:57 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-12-24T23:04:09 < Steffanx> but they'll break it, like Laurenceb_ did
2017-12-24T23:04:31 < Laurenceb_> actually I though of using my horse sensor in pronz
2017-12-24T23:04:49 < Laurenceb_> as some sort of EMG feedback
2017-12-24T23:04:58 < Laurenceb_> to control a sexbot
2017-12-24T23:04:59 < Steffanx> horse .. prons.. stop it Laurenceb_. I dont want to know.
2017-12-24T23:11:28 < englishman> ms project, Gantt chart
2017-12-24T23:11:58 < Steffanx> i'd rather use visio for that
2017-12-24T23:12:11 < upgrdman> > power point
2017-12-24T23:12:12 < upgrdman> lolwut
2017-12-24T23:12:27 < upgrdman> who the fuck uses pp to record notes
2017-12-24T23:12:29 < tpw_rules> not using libreoffice present
2017-12-24T23:12:49 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb_: what aspect of a horse does it sense
2017-12-24T23:13:04 < tpw_rules> onenote is really good
2017-12-24T23:13:07 < BrainDamage> i have a pen that also bundles a digital encoder and digitizes stuff as i write, and save it as pdf
2017-12-24T23:13:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, google docs, or notepad++ or a fucking dry erase board
2017-12-24T23:13:26 < tpw_rules> it's microsoft
2017-12-24T23:13:30 < tpw_rules> orifice
2017-12-24T23:13:39 < tpw_rules> yes
2017-12-24T23:14:10 < upgrdman> onenote is less gay
2017-12-24T23:14:16 < tpw_rules> yea that's the only negative
2017-12-24T23:14:36 < tpw_rules> but onenote has infinite sized pages and supports pen input and searching and pictures and ocr and etc
2017-12-24T23:14:45 < tpw_rules> i don't think it like does flowcharts
2017-12-24T23:14:46 < tpw_rules> maybe it does
2017-12-24T23:16:06 < tpw_rules> what os
2017-12-24T23:16:18 < tpw_rules> if you click x a bunch of times it will let you make a local notebook
2017-12-24T23:16:32 < tpw_rules> but on mac you can't unless you exploit a bug
2017-12-24T23:17:12 < Steffanx> and what pen is that mr BrainDamage?
2017-12-24T23:18:04 < tpw_rules> oh
2017-12-24T23:18:08 < tpw_rules> i almost exclusively use it wiht a pen
2017-12-24T23:18:11 < tpw_rules> and tablet
2017-12-24T23:20:11 < tpw_rules> no i use it for school notes
2017-12-24T23:20:18 < tpw_rules> it can generate pdfs but it's shitty at it
2017-12-24T23:20:20 < tpw_rules> yea
2017-12-24T23:20:34 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: it's an old one, dane-elec zpen, i was actually considering replacing with something better
2017-12-24T23:21:42 < BrainDamage> i like that i don't need a tablet or whatever junk to save data
2017-12-24T23:22:00 < Steffanx> Oh, never seen it BrainDamage. Only those that require special paper to write on. Those suck arse imho.
2017-12-24T23:22:23 < BrainDamage> it's not without inconveniences, the clip can be annoying
2017-12-24T23:22:35 < Laurenceb_> <tpw_rules> Laurenceb_: what aspect of a horse does it sense
2017-12-24T23:22:43 < Laurenceb_> the horseyness of a horse
2017-12-24T23:23:00 < Laurenceb_> probability of being a horse
2017-12-24T23:23:09 < tpw_rules> my kind of porn can't use that
2017-12-24T23:43:27 < Laurenceb_> ok returning to topic..
2017-12-24T23:43:41 < Laurenceb_> anyone familiar with cubemx usb drivers?
2017-12-24T23:43:59 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to try to work out what causes my 34µs delay on SOF callbacks
2017-12-24T23:45:26 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could find a way to break during the delay...
2017-12-24T23:46:54 < tpw_rules> your client is bad and isn't sending unicode
2017-12-24T23:47:51 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-12-24T23:48:02 < tpw_rules> did you try to send a µ
2017-12-24T23:48:09 < Laurenceb_> oh yeah mean irc I get it
2017-12-24T23:48:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-12-24T23:50:08 < Laurenceb_> 34µs is about the time required to send one packet of audio data
2017-12-24T23:50:17 < Laurenceb_> but I dont see how that explains whats happening
2017-12-24T23:50:42 < Laurenceb_> I tried three devices, and SOF callback timing difference between any two is +-34
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2017-12-24T23:52:46 < Laurenceb_> I mean all devices get SOF at the same time right?
2017-12-24T23:53:14 < Laurenceb_> so something must be delaying the SOF callback until the peripheral is no longer busy
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2017-12-25T00:10:11 < Laurenceb_> I guess I need to understand how IN tokens are processed
2017-12-25T00:12:19 < Laurenceb_> oh its all done in hardware
2017-12-25T00:12:22  * Laurenceb_ confused
2017-12-25T00:12:44 < Laurenceb_> maybe its a silicon bug...
2017-12-25T00:14:02  * Laurenceb_ wonders if he can haxor timing info out of the CRS peripheral
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2017-12-25T00:56:26 < kakimir> any nice way to extract jpeg data from pdf into jpeg file?
2017-12-25T00:57:39 < tpw_rules> copy it out of a pdf reader?
2017-12-25T00:57:47 < tpw_rules> or do you mean automated
2017-12-25T00:58:07 < kakimir> can I just copy paste it?
2017-12-25T00:58:27 < tpw_rules> it works in the one for meac
2017-12-25T00:58:28 < tpw_rules> mac
2017-12-25T00:58:33 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-25T00:58:35 < tpw_rules> i can just drag it out as a jpeg
2017-12-25T00:58:40 < kakimir> macs do tricks like that
2017-12-25T00:58:45 < tpw_rules> i assume a competent windows pdf reader will do that too
2017-12-25T00:58:53 < tpw_rules> i use sumatrapdf
2017-12-25T00:59:11 < tpw_rules> also do you just want "the image", or like the exact bytes
2017-12-25T00:59:23 < kakimir> hmm
2017-12-25T00:59:34 < kakimir> I think it's not jpeg then
2017-12-25T00:59:49 < tpw_rules> no i mean will an extra jpeg compression step kill you
2017-12-25T01:00:07 < kakimir> or text is jpeg characters
2017-12-25T01:00:13 < kakimir> probs
2017-12-25T01:00:44 < kakimir> I just capture this full screen and it will be good enuff
2017-12-25T01:01:02 < kakimir> how does pdf store font data?
2017-12-25T01:01:20 < tpw_rules> i think just truetype blobs
2017-12-25T01:01:20 < kakimir> it packs character per size as jpeg probs?
2017-12-25T01:01:24 < tpw_rules> no
2017-12-25T01:01:36 < tpw_rules> definitely not, it stores embedded fonts as vectors
2017-12-25T01:01:42 < kakimir> sweet
2017-12-25T01:01:51 < kakimir> could I utilize it anyhow?
2017-12-25T01:01:58 < kakimir> vectors are lovely to use
2017-12-25T01:02:21 < kakimir> I saw some binary bullshit inside the file so I assumed jpeg blocks
2017-12-25T01:02:30 < kakimir> just noise
2017-12-25T01:02:46 < kakimir> 90% of the file
2017-12-25T01:02:59 < tpw_rules> oh
2017-12-25T01:03:10 < tpw_rules> 99.99% of pdfs are compressed
2017-12-25T01:03:15 < tpw_rules> it's like PDF%<BeginStream or someshit
2017-12-25T01:03:35 < tpw_rules> i should know this from reading poc||gtfo
2017-12-25T01:03:51 < kakimir> okay
2017-12-25T01:04:12 < kakimir> do you know any toolkit to extract anything out of the file?
2017-12-25T01:05:03 < tpw_rules> that's what i'm sad i can't provide at hand for you
2017-12-25T01:05:29 < tpw_rules> i mean there's eg this http://www.extractpdf.com/
2017-12-25T01:05:57 < kakimir> I know
2017-12-25T01:06:18 < tpw_rules> does that not work
2017-12-25T01:06:40 < kakimir> it's web.. for my own stuff I would just use it
2017-12-25T01:07:15 < tpw_rules> what do you mean it's web
2017-12-25T01:07:35 < kakimir> it doesn't run locally
2017-12-25T01:08:18 < tpw_rules> https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-server/
2017-12-25T01:08:24 < tpw_rules> that probably can do it
2017-12-25T01:08:51 < tpw_rules> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3488042/how-can-i-extract-embedded-fonts-from-a-pdf-as-valid-font-files
2017-12-25T01:14:46 < kakimir> I just..
2017-12-25T01:15:25 < kakimir> feed the screenshot to inkscape edge detect and work from there
2017-12-25T01:15:35 < tpw_rules> um ok
2017-12-25T01:15:45 < kakimir> there is more to these than the font itself
2017-12-25T01:15:56 < kakimir> all the spacing and stuff
2017-12-25T01:16:07 < tpw_rules> it should be in there
2017-12-25T01:19:15 < kakimir> https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Import_text_and_geometry_from_Inkscape
2017-12-25T01:25:42 < kakimir> why am I watching cat videos every night?
2017-12-25T01:25:48 < kakimir> I used to be dope
2017-12-25T01:36:17 < kakimir> now I'm like meaow
2017-12-25T01:36:45 < kakimir> I can not take a cat to my new appartment
2017-12-25T01:36:48 < kakimir> no pets
2017-12-25T02:22:39 < Laurenceb_> How much free time do you have? Well, if you're one of those people out there on Facebook that has plenty of it and no social life you can spend your life ruining the audience score for Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
2017-12-25T02:25:13 < kakimir> good idea
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2017-12-25T02:25:23 < kakimir> or not
2017-12-25T02:25:50 < kakimir> it was actually more star wars than those made in 2000's
2017-12-25T02:26:09 < kakimir> and boring
2017-12-25T02:27:12 < kakimir> wait it's the new one
2017-12-25T02:27:20 < kakimir> should I throw my money at it?
2017-12-25T02:27:21 < Laurenceb_> all star wars is trash
2017-12-25T02:27:28 < kakimir> you said it
2017-12-25T02:27:35 < Laurenceb_> original was like a childrens pantomime
2017-12-25T02:27:42 < Laurenceb_> only less fun
2017-12-25T02:28:51 < kakimir> I actually liked more of the ruined ones of 2000s
2017-12-25T02:28:59 < kakimir> because those were less star wars
2017-12-25T02:29:07 < branjb> about to go see the new SJW wars
2017-12-25T02:29:19 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-25T02:29:36 < branjb> i'm easily amused so it should be decent to me
2017-12-25T02:29:45 < kakimir> :o
2017-12-25T02:29:58 < kakimir> I'm not amused
2017-12-25T02:29:59 < branjb> i just spent 20 min watching my betta swim around
2017-12-25T02:30:31 < kakimir> I'm easily annoyed
2017-12-25T02:30:58 < kakimir> I score movies based on which annoyed me least
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2017-12-25T02:41:58 < ds2> anyone movie ever failed to annoy you?
2017-12-25T02:42:12 < kakimir> sometimes
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2017-12-25T03:27:42 < day> is the usb hid device polling rate something that the device tells the host during the initial negotiation?
2017-12-25T03:28:16 < day> my current example appears to run at a thicc 30hz polling rate according to the OS
2017-12-25T03:30:20 < day> ha a lucky hit :D bInterval :3
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2017-12-25T03:45:47 < day> well i managed to increase the polling rate to 125hz. what do i need to do to increase it to 1000hz?
2017-12-25T03:46:07 < day> reducing the bInterval doesnt do anything past 125hz it looks like
2017-12-25T04:00:11 < kakimir> me too
2017-12-25T04:00:21 < kakimir> can't believe it but I actually can do stuff
2017-12-25T04:00:40 < kakimir> even cad modeling a product
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2017-12-25T07:18:11 < emeb_mac> getting festive
2017-12-25T07:18:30 < emeb_mac> R2COM: got your spi all happy?
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2017-12-25T07:22:57 < orson> Hey
2017-12-25T07:24:14 < emeb_mac> orson is in all the cool channels
2017-12-25T07:24:45 < orson> ^_^
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2017-12-25T07:57:53 < jadew> morning
2017-12-25T07:58:19 < jadew> what did santa brought you?
2017-12-25T08:00:34 < Orson> Morning!
2017-12-25T08:01:41 < Orson> Don't know about you, but I got a fine workday at the plant!
2017-12-25T08:02:24 < jadew> sounds wonderful
2017-12-25T08:02:34 < jadew> I got a flu
2017-12-25T08:03:03 < Orson> Yeah I win
2017-12-25T08:03:14 < Orson> Sorry for you though :( Get better
2017-12-25T08:03:29 < jadew> thanks
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2017-12-25T13:02:43 < Steffanx> How bad is it jadew?
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2017-12-25T13:57:40 < Thorn> which 8/16 bit mcus have hardware division (other than stm8)?
2017-12-25T14:10:02 < Steffanx> pic24 i believe
2017-12-25T14:17:35 < Orson> Ok, I'm going crazy. My DMA controller won't start transferring data to USART DR register. USART is configured and working, the DMAT bit is set, the TC and TXE bits get set ok, but it just doesn't want to start.
2017-12-25T14:19:09 < Orson> I feel I'm missing something incredibly stupid, however, I set DMA1EN bit in AHBENR, set CPAR, CMAR and CNDTR, set TCIE, and finally yhe EN bit in the DMA1 CH4 CCR register.
2017-12-25T14:19:46 < Orson> And the problem is, I don't quite know how to know fo sure if the event/acknowledgment is being made between DMA and USART.
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2017-12-25T15:06:16 < jsoft> What's a good ide for use on linux which has all the pretty auto complete and all that jazz?
2017-12-25T15:07:17 < jsoft> C/C++ dev
2017-12-25T15:07:22 < jsoft> Ie, stm32 stuff.
2017-12-25T15:07:40 < jsoft> Mmm hmm.
2017-12-25T15:07:52 < jsoft> I would rather not :|
2017-12-25T15:08:16 < tpw_rules> specifically stm32 stuff?
2017-12-25T15:08:31 < tpw_rules> systemworkbench isn't 100% a tragedy
2017-12-25T15:08:32 < jsoft> Well stm32 mainly, but other things when they pop up too
2017-12-25T15:08:39 < jsoft> Ugh
2017-12-25T15:08:47 < jsoft> systemworkbench.. that thing is horrible
2017-12-25T15:09:13 < tpw_rules> there might be another free alternative
2017-12-25T15:09:32 < jsoft> superbia1, what would you suggest for vim to make it auto magically do all the auto complete and what not?
2017-12-25T15:09:36 < jsoft> Well suggestions at least
2017-12-25T15:09:51 < jsoft> Hmm.
2017-12-25T15:09:57 < tpw_rules> but the nice thing about something like systmeworkbench is all the debugging and mcu-specific magic is set up
2017-12-25T15:11:03 < PaulFertser> jsoft: have you considered gnu arm/mcu eclipse?
2017-12-25T15:11:38 < jsoft> Isnt that pretty much what system work bench is ?
2017-12-25T15:11:43 < PaulFertser> tastes differ
2017-12-25T15:11:45 < tpw_rules> yes
2017-12-25T15:11:52 < tpw_rules> also it is
2017-12-25T15:12:21 < PaulFertser> jsoft: what ide do you normally use? QtCreator?
2017-12-25T15:12:34 < jsoft> PaulFertser, well I was previously using emacs, then clion.
2017-12-25T15:12:42 < jsoft> Clion was quite good, but not free.
2017-12-25T15:12:49 < Orson> I use Eclipse CDT
2017-12-25T15:12:57 < PaulFertser> jsoft: well then, why not continue using emacs if its autocomplete is ok for you?
2017-12-25T15:13:04 < jsoft> Well it was not
2017-12-25T15:13:10 < jsoft> It was actually a bit of a clunky beast
2017-12-25T15:13:21 < PaulFertser> jsoft: also, you can use clion for editing, and something else for debugging if you need to.
2017-12-25T15:13:32 < jsoft> Again, Clion is not free.
2017-12-25T15:14:07 < jsoft> Hmm
2017-12-25T15:17:05 < Lux> ya clion isn't bad and i think remote debugging should work with the newer release
2017-12-25T15:17:55 < Lux> just a bit of a pita to set up imo
2017-12-25T15:18:11 < Lux> or just use keil, which just works
2017-12-25T15:18:53 < Lux> btw both are easy to crack if you can't afford that stuff
2017-12-25T15:19:24 < PaulFertser> jsoft: why not QtCreator?
2017-12-25T15:20:27 < jsoft> PaulFertser, i've never used that.. perhaps I should give it a bash
2017-12-25T15:21:20 < PaulFertser> It supports gdb remote, so can serve as a fully-featured IDE for embedded dev.
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2017-12-25T15:25:58 < Ecco> Hi everyone
2017-12-25T15:26:18 < Ecco> Quick poll: what do you guys use for profiling execution?
2017-12-25T15:27:33 < PaulFertser> I used crude and dirty halt/resume method integrated in openocd.
2017-12-25T15:27:51 < Ecco> Hi PaulFertser :)
2017-12-25T15:27:57 < Ecco> Not sure I understand what you meant though
2017-12-25T15:28:09 < Ecco> Currently I use something built into openocd
2017-12-25T15:28:13 < PaulFertser> Ecco: yes, that one
2017-12-25T15:28:16 < zyp> I've done some rudimentary profiling with breakpoints and looking at the cycle counter
2017-12-25T15:28:19 < Ecco> which is much appreciated, except it doesn't seem so accurate
2017-12-25T15:28:44 < PaulFertser> Ecco: and there's an improved method available: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4211/
2017-12-25T15:29:01 < Ecco> Oh, interesting
2017-12-25T15:29:36 < Ecco> So out of curiosity, how did the previous version work?
2017-12-25T15:29:50 < Ecco> My undestanding what that it would regularly stop execution and dump the stack
2017-12-25T15:30:07 < PaulFertser> Ecco: just the pc
2017-12-25T15:30:11 < Ecco> oh, ok
2017-12-25T15:30:55 < Ecco> Apparently the sampling rate is a bit low, isn't it?
2017-12-25T15:32:05 < PaulFertser> Ecco: if you apply that change, a special DWT register would be used instead, it will improve accuracy.
2017-12-25T15:32:12 < Ecco> ok
2017-12-25T15:32:15 < PaulFertser> Ecco: you can also increase polling frequency
2017-12-25T15:32:19 < PaulFertser> Ecco: probably that would be enough
2017-12-25T15:32:26 < Ecco> oh, interesting
2017-12-25T15:32:36 < Ecco> I'm using an STlink as a debug probe
2017-12-25T15:32:47 < Ecco> what sampling frequency do you think I could aim for?
2017-12-25T15:32:48 < PaulFertser> Ecco: then you need http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4220/2
2017-12-25T15:32:55 < PaulFertser> (for improved method)
2017-12-25T15:33:00 < Ecco> ok
2017-12-25T15:33:10 < Ecco> I'd just get the latest git revision I guess
2017-12-25T15:33:17 < Ecco> Oh wait this hasn't been merged yet has it?
2017-12-25T15:33:23 < PaulFertser> :(
2017-12-25T15:33:57 < Ecco> The commit says it's ~100x faster that halt/resume though :)
2017-12-25T15:34:01 < Ecco> Might be worth trying :)
2017-12-25T15:34:20 < Lux> how does that stuff handle function calls ?
2017-12-25T15:35:22 < Ecco> What do you mean Lux?
2017-12-25T15:35:37 < Lux> or does openocd just add instructions to account for that
2017-12-25T15:36:12 < Lux> just if you are doing a jump the pc just increases or decreases by that which doesn't really fit with the execution time
2017-12-25T15:36:31 < Ecco> I don't get it
2017-12-25T15:36:33 < PaulFertser> Lux: no function graph is available, no, just the pc sampling.
2017-12-25T15:37:03 < Ecco> You sample the PC, infer which function execution is, and that's it.
2017-12-25T15:37:04 < PaulFertser> Lux: and you get the amount of time on average per function, or if you want per instruction.
2017-12-25T15:37:12 < PaulFertser> Yes, what Ecco says.
2017-12-25T15:37:24 < Lux> okay i get it thanks
2017-12-25T15:38:21 < Ecco> By looking at the state of things, it seems like this is not something very popular
2017-12-25T15:38:36 < Ecco> how would you improve performance of code running on an STM32?
2017-12-25T15:39:15 < Ecco> My usual workflow would be code -> profile -> find locations that seem to take longer than they should -> repeat
2017-12-25T15:39:44 < PaulFertser> Probably most people just do not really need performance as the controllers are already fast enough? ;)
2017-12-25T15:39:47 < Ecco> and you'd need a profiler for that. Yet they don't seem to be that commonly used though
2017-12-25T15:39:59 < Ecco> well, maybe, I don't know
2017-12-25T15:40:08 < zyp> I think other tricks are common
2017-12-25T15:40:12 < zyp> like gpio profiling
2017-12-25T15:40:20 < Ecco> gpio profiling?
2017-12-25T15:40:23 < zyp> toggle a gpio when entering/leaving stuff, sample with LA
2017-12-25T15:40:29 < Ecco> as in, set a gpio, to stuff, ok
2017-12-25T15:40:30 < Ecco> gotcha
2017-12-25T15:40:38 < Ecco> and indeed, there's also the cycle counter
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2017-12-25T15:40:50 < Ecco> both tools which you wouldn't use on a regular PC
2017-12-25T15:40:52 < Ecco> I see
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2017-12-25T15:48:22 < Steffanx> Wasnt there some basic SWO based profiling around nowadays?
2017-12-25T15:48:26 < Steffanx> dont remember the name
2017-12-25T15:50:40 < Steffanx> btw jsoft, when you dont hate eclipse. Maybe the up coming STM TrueStudio will be helpful for you. The pro version will become free.
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2017-12-25T15:55:07 < dongs> eclipse is not very pro
2017-12-25T15:55:10 < dongs> no matter how you try to spin it
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2017-12-25T15:58:45 < Steffanx> Time to get some sleep dongs.
2017-12-25T16:08:02 < Steffanx> they dont do xmas in jappyland.
2017-12-25T16:08:17 < Steffanx> ^ that's his yearly response to that.
2017-12-25T16:08:36 < Steffanx> "fuck commercial * shit shit commercial. aids..." you know the  drill superbia1
2017-12-25T16:12:28 < Steffanx> oh my mind aint that fucked up yet, superbia1. You need upgrdman for jokes like that.
2017-12-25T16:25:12 < dongs> yeah no idea
2017-12-25T16:27:56 < englishman> merry christmas nerds
2017-12-25T16:32:24 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BdH086aBOpm/
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2017-12-25T16:34:11 < Steffanx> want a nice xmas you bastard.
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2017-12-25T16:34:36 < Steffanx> i mean: hi englishman.
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2017-12-25T16:52:47 < dongs> BREAKING: Bus crashes into underground passage in Moscow, causing multiple fatalities and injuries (Graphic footage: https://twitter.com/i/videos/945269091279036416)
2017-12-25T16:53:05 < dongs> lmao @ that vid
2017-12-25T16:56:56 < englishman> thanks Thorn
2017-12-25T16:58:26 < Thorn> dongs: https://www.facebook.com/activist.msk/videos/2088431081387166/
2017-12-25T16:58:36 < dongs> Thorn: i know btter than clicking your ilnks
2017-12-25T16:58:43 < dongs> no more fucking lions or wahtever the shit
2017-12-25T16:59:25 < Thorn> relax, no cats there lol, just people dying
2017-12-25T16:59:52 < Steffanx> Merry xmas to you too btw. Even to dongs.
2017-12-25T17:00:16 < Steffanx> video wont play mr dongs
2017-12-25T17:04:03 < Steffanx> What did you shoot for xmas this year englishman?
2017-12-25T17:04:31 < Steffanx> my client doesnt include the )
2017-12-25T17:05:01 < Steffanx> it's the twatter that complains it cant play the video
2017-12-25T17:07:02 < englishman> Steffanx: cat photos of course
2017-12-25T17:09:28 < Steffanx> nice target practicing. Now it's time for the real deal.
2017-12-25T17:09:38 < Steffanx> photos dont tend to move.
2017-12-25T17:17:58 < englishman> did you break your toys yet steffy
2017-12-25T17:18:14 < Steffanx> What toys mr englishman?
2017-12-25T17:18:36 < englishman> dont tell me that steffy was bad this year
2017-12-25T17:18:46 < Steffanx> We dont do xmas like you do.
2017-12-25T17:19:01 < englishman> do you do it in blackface
2017-12-25T17:19:02 < Steffanx> It has been commercialized much, but not THAT much yet
2017-12-25T17:19:08 < Steffanx> Yes, we have Sinterklaas.
2017-12-25T17:19:16 < Steffanx> but that was 20 days ago
2017-12-25T17:19:18 < englishman> did he steal all your toys
2017-12-25T17:19:41 < Steffanx> Ya mate.
2017-12-25T17:21:07 < Steffanx> We just tend to eat something with xmas. We shot cats this year. like you.
2017-12-25T17:28:13 < Thorn> merry xmas ##stm32
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2017-12-25T17:30:12 < englishman> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-says-his-boring-company-has-raised-300000-with-hat-sales-alone-2017-11-22
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2017-12-25T17:32:30 < englishman> merry xmas to you and your kitties Thorn
2017-12-25T17:58:59 < Laurenceb_> happy christmas trollz
2017-12-25T17:59:20 < Laurenceb_> in other news musky spend 300k on his personal christmas presents
2017-12-25T17:59:25 < Laurenceb_> *spent
2017-12-25T18:38:15 < kakimir> hello christ
2017-12-25T18:38:33 < kakimir> ##christ32
2017-12-25T18:39:09 < kakimir> ##xmas32
2017-12-25T18:39:10 < branjb> you can tell a lot about a person based on if they say merry christmas or happy holidays
2017-12-25T18:43:52 < Laurenceb_> ok serious question
2017-12-25T18:44:13 < Laurenceb_> does anyone know what I can use to make heat sealed labels for cables?
2017-12-25T18:44:31 < kakimir> brother
2017-12-25T18:44:33 < Laurenceb_> something that wraps around a cable and is heat sealed onto it
2017-12-25T18:44:35 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-12-25T18:44:43 < kakimir> label mate?
2017-12-25T18:44:54  * Laurenceb_ googles
2017-12-25T18:44:56 < kakimir> p-touch?
2017-12-25T18:45:11 < kakimir> I know just one labeller but I should buy heat shrinkable tape
2017-12-25T18:45:29 < englishman> ptouch
2017-12-25T18:45:43 < englishman> then clear shrink over?
2017-12-25T18:45:51 < kakimir> another option
2017-12-25T18:46:06 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-12-25T18:46:08 < kakimir> but usually clear shrink is pretty cloudy
2017-12-25T18:46:18 < kakimir> should find totally clear shrink
2017-12-25T18:46:22 < Laurenceb_> ok yeah I need labels that are heat sealed around
2017-12-25T18:46:33 < kakimir> https://www.ptouchdirect.com/categories/brother/brother-labels/hse-heat-shrink-tubes.html
2017-12-25T18:46:34 < Laurenceb_> I dont think heat shrink will do it
2017-12-25T18:46:48 < englishman> I have lots of clear shrink
2017-12-25T18:46:54 < englishman> but it's hard to find
2017-12-25T18:46:57 < englishman> maybe digikey
2017-12-25T18:47:21 < englishman> wowcool kaks
2017-12-25T18:47:36 < kakimir> I think my brother can do those maybe
2017-12-25T18:47:43 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2017-12-25T18:47:54 < Laurenceb_> but thats not what I was thinking of
2017-12-25T18:48:05 < kakimir> what is heat sealed?
2017-12-25T18:48:12 < kakimir> do you mean glue or something?
2017-12-25T18:48:42 < Laurenceb_> aha
2017-12-25T18:48:47 < Laurenceb_> https://www.cablejoints.co.uk/sub-product-details/cable-socks/silver-fox-fibre-optic-flag-labels
2017-12-25T18:50:12 < kakimir> I do those with standard tz tape
2017-12-25T18:50:17 < kakimir> but there is a problem
2017-12-25T18:50:24 < kakimir> it starts to bend slowly open
2017-12-25T18:50:42 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-12-25T18:50:51 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats why I was thinking heat sealed
2017-12-25T18:51:30 < kakimir> also it sticks to angle in wire axis and wont turn anymore
2017-12-25T18:51:36 < kakimir> or move anywhere
2017-12-25T18:52:30 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-12-25T18:52:45 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could just staple them closed
2017-12-25T18:53:17 < kakimir> hmm
2017-12-25T18:54:16 < kakimir> or try to laminate them closed?
2017-12-25T18:54:35 < kakimir> it can activate the "ink" thought
2017-12-25T18:54:39 < kakimir> though*
2017-12-25T18:55:27 < kakimir> install in wire and cut some corner piece of laminate and place around the tape
2017-12-25T18:55:49 < Laurenceb_> I think I'll just try a small staple
2017-12-25T18:55:50 < kakimir> then press between 2 hotplates or irons or something
2017-12-25T18:56:10 < kakimir> how about some mini rivet?
2017-12-25T18:56:16 < Laurenceb_> it'd be hard to hotplate it as there is adhesive inbetween the plastic
2017-12-25T18:56:41 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe a mini rivet, but it would probably look nastier than a staple
2017-12-25T18:56:46 < kakimir> some tapes may stick better than another to itself
2017-12-25T18:57:22 < kakimir> even so good it wont part from root
2017-12-25T18:57:37 < kakimir> I use some chinese cheapotape
2017-12-25T18:58:01 < kakimir> it's better to bend around corners than legit tape
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2017-12-25T18:58:27 < kakimir> also it kinda stretches so slight direction changes are possible
2017-12-25T18:58:49 < kakimir> but original tape wont bend around corner or stretch in any direction
2017-12-25T19:00:38 < kakimir> when you bend original tape around corner it just bends back up
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2017-12-25T19:25:31 < englishman> a clear case of autism
2017-12-25T19:26:09 < englishman> wow kakimir that price is for 5 feet
2017-12-25T19:27:20 < englishman> and only a couple printers can use it
2017-12-25T19:29:29 < kakimir> lemme see my printer model
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2017-12-25T19:30:56 < kakimir> p-touch 9500pc
2017-12-25T19:31:05 < kakimir> TZ, AL and HG tape
2017-12-25T19:31:19 < kakimir> someone explain me all the tapes if I even need to know
2017-12-25T19:31:26 < kakimir> tz is cheap
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2017-12-25T19:40:13 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: now my plan is to use laser printer and stapler
2017-12-25T19:40:18 < Laurenceb_> full cheapskate
2017-12-25T19:40:24 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKrAPkiOSTQ
2017-12-25T19:42:06 < kakimir> use lameller and laser printer
2017-12-25T19:42:18 < kakimir> and standard paper
2017-12-25T19:42:35 < kakimir> and also that thing used to cut straight stripes
2017-12-25T19:43:00 < kakimir> cut 15mm stripes and from print cut 9mm stripes
2017-12-25T19:43:15 < kakimir> your uni has dem all
2017-12-25T19:43:22 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqYpA56HWDQ
2017-12-25T19:43:34 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling hard
2017-12-25T19:43:59 < Laurenceb_> >I order Rage to be deported from kekistan
2017-12-25T19:44:24 < englishman> ty Thorn
2017-12-25T19:44:38 < englishman> I will put this on the tv instead of the burning log video
2017-12-25T19:45:31 < Laurenceb_> >not watching "tales of trout"
2017-12-25T19:47:52 < Laurenceb_> who needs soap operas tbh
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2017-12-25T19:50:20 < Laurenceb_>  3:20
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2017-12-25T19:52:56 < Laurenceb_> holy shit thunderf00t makes an appearance
2017-12-25T19:53:12 < Laurenceb_> epin internet dramaz
2017-12-25T20:10:56 < Laurenceb_> https://t.co/WyAsWnfU7N
2017-12-25T20:11:01 < Laurenceb_> the cannae drive
2017-12-25T20:12:07 < jadew> Steffanx, bad, could barely swallow and had fever all day
2017-12-25T20:12:17 < jadew> I wasn't the best host today
2017-12-25T20:12:58 < kakimir> I have visual clear/cloudy polycarbonate enclosure in design now
2017-12-25T20:13:10 < kakimir> Any good ideas for sealing it closed?
2017-12-25T20:14:18 < kakimir> it should be clean and clear glue I think
2017-12-25T20:14:22 < kakimir> uv glue?
2017-12-25T20:14:48 < kakimir> also it should not break from seal before the enclosure itself falls apart
2017-12-25T20:16:06 < Steffanx> ah the real flu jadew
2017-12-25T20:16:24 < kakimir> sars
2017-12-25T20:16:30 < kakimir> or aids flu
2017-12-25T20:16:38 < Steffanx> kakimiritus
2017-12-25T20:16:46 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-25T20:17:12 < kakimir> the worst
2017-12-25T20:18:57 < jadew> I had fever last night too and had some mild fever delirium, it was all about the signals in a frequency counter I'm trying to fix
2017-12-25T20:19:31 < jadew> woke up with a bunch of ideas, but didn't have time to check them yet
2017-12-25T20:25:16 < kakimir> I had such fever once I thought my butthole was playing Beethoven's 5th with farts
2017-12-25T20:26:24 < kakimir> to say I didn't shit in my pants but I was properly seated
2017-12-25T20:35:26 < Steffanx> thanks for hte information kakimir
2017-12-25T20:38:44 < Laurenceb_> grids
2017-12-25T20:40:40 < Steffanx> i prefer 5mm.
2017-12-25T20:41:43 < Laurenceb_>  AIDS is the politically correct term for GRIDS, Gay Cancer, and The Ebonic Plague. Beware of super AIDS.
2017-12-25T20:42:59 < Steffanx> ok
2017-12-25T20:43:39 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/yl2ls205n3601.jpg
2017-12-25T20:43:50 < kakimir> Steffanx: I needed to share the story
2017-12-25T20:51:16 < jadew> it's the story about that time when he soiled his pants
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2017-12-25T20:58:39 < kakimir> "but I was properly seated"
2017-12-25T21:02:07 < kakimir> I wonder if I can buy optical guides in custom length - cheap
2017-12-25T21:03:39 < kakimir> something like 1,5mm dimension
2017-12-25T21:04:36 < kakimir> *diameter
2017-12-25T21:05:03 < kakimir> lenght somewhere under 10mm
2017-12-25T21:05:38 < kakimir> I just wonder not necessary getting it in my desing
2017-12-25T21:10:55 < kakimir> I wonder how short totally straight walls I can have in plastic intection molding without causing problems
2017-12-25T21:11:31 < kakimir> for now these are 3d printed but I need to think ahead
2017-12-25T21:13:01 < kakimir> probs
2017-12-25T21:13:26 < kakimir> tell me more about it
2017-12-25T21:15:40 < ds2> kakimir: do you mean straight or perpendicular walls?
2017-12-25T21:16:20 < ds2> straight should be a nonissue
2017-12-25T21:16:43 < ds2> perpendicular is a matter of cost, AFAIK
2017-12-25T21:17:24 < kakimir> oh
2017-12-25T21:17:42 < kakimir> so better not have those
2017-12-25T21:18:31 < ds2> if you mean the draft (slight tilt away making it non prependicular), it is so you can remove the mold easily
2017-12-25T21:18:40 < kakimir> I know
2017-12-25T21:18:43 < ds2> if you must, you can have a collapsible mold but that is $$$$$$$
2017-12-25T21:18:49 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-25T21:19:25 < ds2> one trick I saw with the protolabs demo cube, is you make it foldable
2017-12-25T21:19:49 < kakimir> can I get matte finish and deburring with sanding of some sort for my parts?
2017-12-25T21:20:00 < kakimir> for polycarbonate
2017-12-25T21:20:10 < ds2> that is a function of the mold polishing
2017-12-25T21:20:19 < kakimir> cool
2017-12-25T21:20:33 < ds2> I think sand blasting the mold should give you a matte finish
2017-12-25T21:20:39 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-25T21:20:55 < ds2> how many are you making?
2017-12-25T21:21:27 < kakimir> for now <1000
2017-12-25T21:22:13 < ds2> mold making could be too expensive
2017-12-25T21:22:26 < ds2> and 3D printing that many kind of sucks
2017-12-25T21:22:43 < ds2> doing research for that sort of thing for a project
2017-12-25T21:22:48 < kakimir> but this is kind of cheap addition product that should be thrown at customer when they buy certain stuff
2017-12-25T21:22:58 < kakimir> or sold for like 10eur
2017-12-25T21:23:01 < kakimir> so mass product
2017-12-25T21:23:19 < ds2> then you need to make more
2017-12-25T21:23:56 < ds2> for a decent mold (not a cheapie, aluminum one), it can be > $10K USD
2017-12-25T21:24:03 < kakimir> yes
2017-12-25T21:24:12 < ds2> so a 1K..... that's > $10/each
2017-12-25T21:24:23 < kakimir> not feasible
2017-12-25T21:24:29 < ds2> yep
2017-12-25T21:24:31 < ds2> bbl
2017-12-25T21:24:45 < kakimir> this thing should cost like few euros to make
2017-12-25T21:25:00 < kakimir> and sold for 10-15 or so
2017-12-25T21:26:05 < kakimir> hot tubbin>
2017-12-25T21:30:15 < Steffanx> kakimir goes self-employed?
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2017-12-25T21:42:51 < Laurenceb_> the wrath of Kekistan
2017-12-25T21:44:17 < Laurenceb_> http://kekistan.wikia.com/wiki/Book_of_Kek
2017-12-25T21:48:07 < ds2> 1 million piece runs
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2017-12-25T22:35:11 < upgrdman> worst 3d printed butt plug ever   https://hackaday.com/2017/12/24/wishing-the-family-a-sinusoidal-christmas/
2017-12-25T22:36:39 < branjb> things like that seem way too tryhard
2017-12-25T22:37:30 < Steffanx> I still get the idea upgrdman will try it.
2017-12-25T22:37:52 < upgrdman> i feel like you're judging me.
2017-12-25T22:40:34 < Steffanx> You planted the idea in my head with all the previous images you posted upgrdman :P
2017-12-25T22:40:56 < upgrdman> hehe, i am "inside of you"
2017-12-25T22:42:24 < upgrdman> so anyone here used a MakerBot Replicator?
2017-12-25T22:42:39 < branjb> i have one
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2017-12-25T22:42:54 < branjb> so yeah
2017-12-25T22:43:05 < upgrdman> anything i should know before using one. like shit aspects, neat things, etc.
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2017-12-25T22:43:10 < Steffanx> Not me.
2017-12-25T22:43:31 < upgrdman> i already know that the case design is total shit and fragile.
2017-12-25T22:43:36 < upgrdman> but other than that? :)
2017-12-25T22:43:50 < branjb> do you have the one with one nozzle or two?
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2017-12-25T22:44:20 < branjb> and is it yours or borrowing it?
2017-12-25T22:44:26 < upgrdman> one nozzle
2017-12-25T22:44:34 < upgrdman> and its "mine" but at work
2017-12-25T22:44:37 < BrainDamage> merry xmas
2017-12-25T22:44:38 < branjb> good, the two nozzle one is shit
2017-12-25T22:44:44 < branjb> what slicer you using?
2017-12-25T22:44:50 < Steffanx> same to you mr branjb
2017-12-25T22:44:52 < Steffanx> *BrainDamage
2017-12-25T22:45:04 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/replicator.jpg
2017-12-25T22:45:05 < branjb> merry xmas to everyone but Steffanx
2017-12-25T22:45:35 < BrainDamage> what happened to that bed?
2017-12-25T22:45:41 < upgrdman> branjb, havent even install any software yet. unpacked it and started addressing the broken shit on friday at work.
2017-12-25T22:46:04 < Steffanx> love you too branjb
2017-12-25T22:46:06 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, blue tape as a foundation for printing on, and it looks like the previous user ripped some off when removing a model
2017-12-25T22:46:16 < branjb> upgrdman: depending on your slicer and filament, turning z-hop on noticably makes for better quality, however with the Z on a lead screw it squeaks and is annoying as fuck
2017-12-25T22:47:06 < upgrdman> hmm k
2017-12-25T22:47:06 < branjb> get simplify3D for your slicer
2017-12-25T22:47:27 < branjb> that one looks newer than mine, does it auto bed level?
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2017-12-25T22:48:01 < upgrdman> yes. if you auto you mean it tell me to rub it's knobs gently
2017-12-25T22:48:13 < branjb> haha
2017-12-25T22:48:38 < branjb> print something like this: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1412738 it'll help with artifacts in it
2017-12-25T22:48:39 < upgrdman> "rub my front knob cockwise" wtc.
2017-12-25T22:48:45 < upgrdman> etc.
2017-12-25T23:00:18 < upgrdman> given the time, he
2017-12-25T23:00:34 < upgrdman> given the time, he's prolly sleeping. dreaming about jap tentacle porn.
2017-12-25T23:01:33 < BrainDamage> s/dreaming/preparing the next story to draw/
2017-12-25T23:01:33 < Steffanx> he is referring to you as a dong i presume, upgrdman
2017-12-25T23:01:57 < upgrdman> rite
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2017-12-25T23:40:43 < dongs> im up cuz i have to drive to airport
2017-12-25T23:42:54 < upgrdman> who are you deporting?
2017-12-25T23:43:07 < upgrdman> fellow EE?
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2017-12-25T23:46:55 < upgrdman> "<R2COM> i need a girl that is really experienced"   at what?    "soldering"
2017-12-25T23:47:29 < Laurenceb_> lol this guy
2017-12-25T23:47:46 < Laurenceb_> <_stalk553> is dongs confirmed
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2017-12-25T23:49:07 < upgrdman> "(~damian@62-210-38-95.rev.poneytelecom.eu) has joined" ... pony telecom huh? i'm imagining some My Little Pony fuckers managing telecom
2017-12-25T23:54:19 < upgrdman> lol
2017-12-25T23:54:34 < upgrdman> im currently organizing some music that i downloaded and forgot about
2017-12-25T23:54:57 < upgrdman> after that i need to catch up on my youtube subs and redditing
2017-12-25T23:56:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQYhJpmLrE
2017-12-25T23:58:34 < Laurenceb_> typical irc user
--- Day changed Tue Dec 26 2017
2017-12-26T00:00:08 < upgrdman> i just realized something. you know the people from goatse, tubgirl, lemonparty, etc.? theyre probably normal people just walking among us, so to speak. would be weird as fuck if you unknowingly know one of them.
2017-12-26T00:00:42 < upgrdman> well, not "normal" but ya know
2017-12-26T00:01:10 < Laurenceb_> lul 4chan are going moralfag over this
2017-12-26T00:01:27 < Laurenceb_> >>549945
2017-12-26T00:01:27 < Laurenceb_> I don't like these programs. They're just dragging out spergies so normals can gawk and laugh at them. At least pick on idiots like Jahans who go looking for trouble.
2017-12-26T00:01:29 < upgrdman> like imagine if the girl that cooked your pizza was tubgirl
2017-12-26T00:01:39 < Laurenceb_> it hit too close to home for channers
2017-12-26T00:01:40 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-12-26T00:03:01 < Thorn> Uebermusics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqG_7JRHGAA
2017-12-26T00:03:44 < Laurenceb_> Retards are just retards. They don't deserve to be bullied for that. It's not like they're communist or something.
2017-12-26T00:03:47 < Laurenceb_> lul 4chan
2017-12-26T00:04:13 < Laurenceb_> Richard confirmed as channer
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2017-12-26T00:13:34 < Rob235> merry christmas!
2017-12-26T00:15:42 < Steffanx> Ty Rob235 . Same there.
2017-12-26T00:16:54 < Rob235> brb router reboot
2017-12-26T00:17:07 < jsoft> So I used cubemx to create a project thing with sources and what not. Imported into dirty ole system workbench.. and it actually worked somehow ( I should buy lotto tickets ). Anyway, how would I go about introducing C++ code into it? I've never really mixed C and C++ before ( well, I should say added C++ to a C project before ). Any suggestions?
2017-12-26T00:19:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://goatse.ru/
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2017-12-26T00:20:47 < upgrdman> :D
2017-12-26T00:21:07 < Laurenceb_> jsoft: I've done it before using some glue functions
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2017-12-26T00:21:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, imagine if that guy was one of your coworkers or whatever
2017-12-26T00:21:48 < Laurenceb_> R2COM lerns the no homo page of the internets
2017-12-26T00:22:30  * Laurenceb_ gets back to wondering what happening with his USB
2017-12-26T00:22:56 < Laurenceb_> I guess I should just haxor into the CubeMX codez and stick so gpio toggle in there to see what the timing looks like
2017-12-26T00:23:00 < Laurenceb_> *some
2017-12-26T00:23:38 < upgrdman> why register
2017-12-26T00:24:58 < jsoft> Laurenceb_, hmm.
2017-12-26T00:25:33 < Laurenceb_> jsoft: are you building anything using usb?
2017-12-26T00:25:41 < jsoft> Laurenceb_, no
2017-12-26T00:25:46 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2017-12-26T00:25:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, and the other one is:  http://shockchan.com/tubgirl/
2017-12-26T00:26:00 < jsoft> Laurenceb_, why that question, anyhows?
2017-12-26T00:26:11 < Laurenceb_> I was wondering if anyone had seen similar weird timing offsets of cubemx usb
2017-12-26T00:26:20 < jsoft> Oh ok.
2017-12-26T00:26:23 < Laurenceb_> I get 34µs timing offsets for some unknown reason
2017-12-26T00:26:32 < Laurenceb_> * +-34µs
2017-12-26T00:27:13 < Laurenceb_> looking through the code I'm wondering if its actually a hardware issue on F0
2017-12-26T00:27:24 < Laurenceb_> whats wrong with saying colleague
2017-12-26T00:27:28 < Laurenceb_> stupid americanisms
2017-12-26T00:29:56 < Laurenceb_> like maybe SOF interrupt signal is delayed until the hardware is no longer busy or something weird
2017-12-26T00:30:53 < Laurenceb_> it looks like if SOF is followed immediately but the IN token then there is no SOF signal until the hardware is no longer busy
2017-12-26T00:31:14 < Laurenceb_> s/but/by
2017-12-26T00:32:11 < upgrdman> lol, i peaking your interest huh
2017-12-26T00:32:18 < upgrdman> actually reading comments and getting into it
2017-12-26T00:32:28 < Laurenceb_> *R2COM furiously fapping*
2017-12-26T00:32:31 < upgrdman> yes
2017-12-26T00:33:18 < Laurenceb_> IN token is handled by hardware on F0 right?
2017-12-26T00:33:42 < Laurenceb_> so when IN token gets parsed by the hardware it sends to data from PMA automatically?
2017-12-26T00:33:57 < upgrdman> no
2017-12-26T00:34:13 < upgrdman> sounds gay
2017-12-26T00:34:31 < Laurenceb_> haha
2017-12-26T00:34:32 < upgrdman> "<R2COM> and now im hooked"
2017-12-26T00:34:53 < Laurenceb_> I went on chatrulette and there was a naked grrrl riding a dildo
2017-12-26T00:35:03 < Laurenceb_> then she started insulting me and shit
2017-12-26T00:35:29 < Laurenceb_> oh shit
2017-12-26T00:35:40 < Laurenceb_> I think this is what happened to me
2017-12-26T00:35:46 < Laurenceb_> I was mistaken for a Russian
2017-12-26T00:36:23 < Laurenceb_> are the Ukranian grrrls naked and riding dildos while they do this?
2017-12-26T00:36:58 < Laurenceb_> well she started mocking my shitty kitchen anyways
2017-12-26T00:37:19 < Laurenceb_> had to disconnect her
2017-12-26T00:39:42 < Laurenceb_> maybe its like a BDSM thing
2017-12-26T00:46:39 < Thorn> attn Laurenceb_ Ukrainian musics https://youtu.be/_VPkwtMsVfc?t=2m58s
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2017-12-26T01:38:46 < Fleck> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/80/23/6580235e4608a2d6d0cd4ed425fa1d61.jpg
2017-12-26T01:53:37 < MrMobius> In my Russian class our teacher asked us to name the states of Russia we knew
2017-12-26T01:53:43 < MrMobius> One guy said Crimea
2017-12-26T01:53:56 < MrMobius> Everyone lost their shit except the teacher since she is Ukrainian
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2017-12-26T02:11:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIJfV1u2hM
2017-12-26T02:11:58 < kakimir> renault getting serious now
2017-12-26T02:12:25 < kakimir> looks more ready for production than tesla 3
2017-12-26T02:18:58 < Laurenceb_> til Rage is Swiss
2017-12-26T02:19:03 < Laurenceb_> a waifu 4 Tectu
2017-12-26T02:22:15 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1p_tIwM4e6c/maxresdefault.jpg
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2017-12-26T04:16:32 < day> im trying to convince my stm32f4 to pull SPI2 NSS down when its sending data. my understanding is that it can do that automatically
2017-12-26T04:17:33 < day> the SSOE bit in the SPI_CR2 register is pressumably the one i need to set
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2017-12-26T04:24:04 < day> kakimir: that 3d headunit mode is sick
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2017-12-26T04:57:52 < srk> freerouting fun http://48.io/~rmarko/random/2017-12-26-035033_3840x1080_scrot.png
2017-12-26T05:00:07 < tpw_rules> your poor server
2017-12-26T05:03:48 < srk> which one? the one I'm using as workstation for crunching routes? :D
2017-12-26T05:04:09 < tpw_rules> the one that takes like 2 minutes to serve a 12MB pimage
2017-12-26T05:05:04 < tpw_rules> also your png encoder is absolutely garbage
2017-12-26T05:05:09 < srk> nah, it can serve it just fine :)
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2017-12-26T05:05:19 < srk> it's scrot!
2017-12-26T05:05:28 < srk> what do you expect .. :D
2017-12-26T05:05:40 < srk> I'm using it like scrot -q 90
2017-12-26T05:05:43 < srk> to take screenshots
2017-12-26T05:05:52 < srk> it generates ~/2017-12-26-035033_3840x1080_scrot.png
2017-12-26T05:06:06 < srk> too lazy to add more strokes
2017-12-26T05:06:19 < tpw_rules> i mean i pngcrushed it down to 400kb
2017-12-26T05:06:27 < srk> cool
2017-12-26T05:06:38 < tpw_rules> which would have dramatically improved download time
2017-12-26T05:07:20 < srk> I prefer to store files in high quality and for one-time sharing I don't care that much :)
2017-12-26T05:07:34 < tpw_rules> it's png, the quality didn't change
2017-12-26T05:08:02 < tpw_rules> but anyway, what is this image intended to illustrate?
2017-12-26T05:08:04 < srk> so just a better encoder?
2017-12-26T05:08:10 < tpw_rules> yea
2017-12-26T05:08:14 < srk> fun
2017-12-26T05:08:35 < srk> just freerouting and kicad
2017-12-26T05:08:55 < srk> crunching my board :)
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2017-12-26T07:56:56 < MrMobius> sounds like a welcoming environment for y ou
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2017-12-26T07:58:48 < Orson> Hi
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2017-12-26T08:39:44 < englishman> kakimir please done
2017-12-26T08:40:05 < englishman> please don't link dumb Canadian vbloggers here
2017-12-26T08:40:16 < englishman> I bet he doesn't even have a sauna
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2017-12-26T09:31:17 < karlp> kakimir: protomold.co.cuk is who you want for that size project
2017-12-26T09:32:06 < karlp> ds2 clearly already knows abotu them, they have their demo cube :)
2017-12-26T09:42:46 < karlp> Ecco: if you have SWO pin available, you can get both a) faster still (compared to the unmerged oocd patches) pc sampling, and alternatively b) exception tracing  and branch tracing
2017-12-26T09:44:14 < karlp> jsoft: for an alternative ide not mentioned yet, I use netbean
2017-12-26T09:46:34 < karlp> merry christmas and all that too all :)
2017-12-26T09:48:39 < jsoft> karlp, thanks. I have settled on system workbrick for now.. managed to actually get it working and not crash or be a dick :)
2017-12-26T09:48:47 < jsoft> karlp, and merry christmas and what not to you as well
2017-12-26T09:49:54 < oz4ga> mornigns and merry christmas to
2017-12-26T09:50:38 < karlp> atollinc will probably be a good choice when that deal completes
2017-12-26T09:50:57 < oz4ga> yes. That deal sounds exciting
2017-12-26T09:51:11 < oz4ga> that eclipse based to
2017-12-26T09:51:22 < oz4ga> like sw4stm32
2017-12-26T09:51:32 < karlp> yes, but it's much better integrated than sw4stm32
2017-12-26T09:51:52 < oz4ga> hopefully
2017-12-26T09:51:53 < karlp> and has more goodies in it,
2017-12-26T09:52:11 < karlp> I've used demos in the past, and it was workable, at least, far more so than building your own eclipse,
2017-12-26T09:52:13 < oz4ga> yeah I'm curious about the FreeRTOS part
2017-12-26T09:52:19 < karlp> what abotu it?
2017-12-26T09:52:34 < karlp> it's just gdb
2017-12-26T09:53:02 < oz4ga> they claim i know about the internal in freertos. that you can see the queues and mailboxes directly
2017-12-26T09:53:10 < karlp> yes, that's not very hard.
2017-12-26T09:53:14 < oz4ga> plus more i don't remember right now
2017-12-26T09:53:16 < karlp> -c rtos auto in openocd.
2017-12-26T09:53:36 < karlp> there's a section on OS support in openocd, it's easy to read and rather handy.
2017-12-26T09:54:22 < oz4ga> well one learn every day. I didn't know that. I don't use openocd much.
2017-12-26T09:54:52 < oz4ga> karlp: what do you think makes netbeans kewl. You wrote that you use it
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2017-12-26T10:09:52 < karlp> it works well and it's free and it's not eclipse which normally makes me insane every attempt to use it
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2017-12-26T11:24:33 < Steffanx> !wz quebec
2017-12-26T11:24:34 < englishbot> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Snow. Temp is -14°C but feels like -25°C. NNW wind: 33 kph. Humidity: 94%.
2017-12-26T11:24:42 < Steffanx> Whops
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2017-12-26T11:24:53 < sync> !wz LEJ
2017-12-26T11:24:55 < englishbot> [Lejre, Denmark] Overcast. Temp is 5.0°C. WNW wind: 6.9 kph. Humidity: 90%.
2017-12-26T11:24:55 < invzim> !wz Bangkok
2017-12-26T11:24:56 < englishbot> [Bangkok, Thailand] Rain. Temp is 23.8°C. North wind: 6.4 kph. Humidity: 71%.
2017-12-26T11:24:57 < sync> pfft
2017-12-26T11:25:01 < sync> no U
2017-12-26T11:25:17 < sync> !wz EDDP
2017-12-26T11:25:18 < englishbot> [EDDP, Germany] Clear. Temp is 7°C but feels like 3°C. South wind: 26 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2017-12-26T11:25:21 < invzim> I win :)
2017-12-26T11:25:23 < sync> better
2017-12-26T11:26:04 < sync> englishman: could you add IATA codez in addition to ICAO?
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2017-12-26T12:10:52 < oz4ga> karlp: "Not being Eclipse" yeah I can relate to that ;) Used it for some years because of PyDev. Yrk ;)
2017-12-26T12:12:31 < jsoft> Im using it now, starting just recently. I think I have aids now
2017-12-26T12:12:37 < jsoft> But it does work seemingly
2017-12-26T12:14:47 < karlp> oz4ga: pycharm >> pydev
2017-12-26T12:15:50 < oz4ga> yes ;)
2017-12-26T12:16:12 < oz4ga> I'm using that now
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2017-12-26T15:22:55 < englishman> sync: it has them, but as this is just a wunderground search it will return those results
2017-12-26T15:25:55 < sync> ah
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2017-12-26T16:33:39 < DisruptiveNL> someone here who can help me out with a FreeRTOS interrupt question?
2017-12-26T16:41:19 < zyp> DisruptiveNL, hard to tell, when you haven't stated your question
2017-12-26T16:42:17 < DisruptiveNL> I am struggling with firing an interrupt with FreeRTOS on my STM32 when I receive a signal (rising) on my LDR (comming from a LED)
2017-12-26T16:42:34 < DisruptiveNL> And I also want to "time" this interrupt
2017-12-26T16:45:40 < zyp> go on
2017-12-26T16:46:28 < DisruptiveNL> The documentation of FreeRTOS is telling me different concepts... one is "polling"
2017-12-26T16:47:13 < zyp> to me this doesn't sound like a freertos problem at all
2017-12-26T16:48:09 < Kerr-A> wow, stm32's are way cheaper on ebay than on mouser or digikey
2017-12-26T16:48:15 < zyp> if you want to time a level transition on an external signal, you'll most likely want to use the input capture mode of a hardware timer
2017-12-26T16:48:24 < DisruptiveNL> oke
2017-12-26T16:48:46 < zyp> how you set it up depends what you want to time it against
2017-12-26T16:49:41 < DisruptiveNL> https://pastebin.com/gn9zgzTd
2017-12-26T16:50:11 < Thorn> ldr can be tens of kΩ when illuminated
2017-12-26T16:50:31 < Thorn> did you measure the voltage
2017-12-26T16:50:58 < zyp> I assumed the hardware side of it were already covered, i.e. comparator or something
2017-12-26T16:51:00 < Thorn> it may not be enough for a logic level transition
2017-12-26T16:51:20 < DisruptiveNL> I measured it
2017-12-26T16:51:40 < Thorn> what is your circuit and what is the output
2017-12-26T16:53:00 < Thorn> (when dark and when illuminated)
2017-12-26T16:54:10 < DisruptiveNL> circuit is: http://www.reuk.co.uk/wordpress/solar/flashing-led-on-electricity-meter/
2017-12-26T16:54:20 < DisruptiveNL> but then not on an Arduino
2017-12-26T16:56:00 < Thorn> well at least there is a divider lol, now on to the second question: what is the output voltage when it's illuminated
2017-12-26T16:56:09 < DisruptiveNL> I want to trigger when the signal is rising (that I do see happening on my Logic Analyzer)
2017-12-26T16:56:22 < DisruptiveNL> and just want to count the events in time
2017-12-26T16:57:00 < Thorn> your analyzer may have different input voltage thresholds than your stm32
2017-12-26T16:57:19 < Thorn> it's an analog question and requires a DMM
2017-12-26T17:00:17 < DisruptiveNL> 0.3V
2017-12-26T17:00:22 < DisruptiveNL> changing
2017-12-26T17:03:00 < Thorn> and when dark?
2017-12-26T17:04:19 < DisruptiveNL> 2.61V
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2017-12-26T17:04:54 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-12-26T17:05:03 < Thorn> your stm32 is powered from 3.3V?
2017-12-26T17:05:11 < DisruptiveNL> 1.20V when LED is (without surrounding light)
2017-12-26T17:05:14 < DisruptiveNL> flashing
2017-12-26T17:05:16 < Laurenceb_> I got busted by the police running the babby shake project :(
2017-12-26T17:07:07 < Steffanx> WHATEVER that may be mr Laurenceb_
2017-12-26T17:07:16 < Steffanx> *caps whops
2017-12-26T17:07:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeuJ_6skbF4
2017-12-26T17:09:50 < DisruptiveNL> should I use the STM32 interrupt routines or FreeRTOS?
2017-12-26T17:10:40 < Laurenceb_> use outsourced interrupt routines
2017-12-26T17:11:06 < Laurenceb_> or maybe immigrant ones
2017-12-26T17:11:26 < Laurenceb_> servicing the interrupts you are too lazy to do
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2017-12-26T17:25:13 < Steffanx> what zyp said DisruptiveNL.  Look up what inpute capture mode is. And perhaps forget about FreeRTOS for now. Somehow i get the idea that's more working against you atm.
2017-12-26T17:25:32 < Steffanx> *input
2017-12-26T17:25:38 < DisruptiveNL> input?
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2017-12-26T17:26:10 < DisruptiveNL> oke i will try this!
2017-12-26T17:26:12 < DisruptiveNL> thanks
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2017-12-26T18:52:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGrcG-7EeVk musics
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2017-12-26T23:11:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.redd.it/zo1hwo1cfa601.jpg
2017-12-26T23:12:31 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/eil82epdv8601.jpg
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2017-12-27T00:49:16 < jadew> anyone recognizes this logo? http://5.12.11.127/stuff/unknown%20-%20logo.png
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2017-12-27T01:06:06 < kakimir> where do I find split operation in freecad?
2017-12-27T01:06:13 < kakimir> can not find it anywhere
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2017-12-27T01:24:12 < kakimir> has anyone used grabcad.com?
2017-12-27T01:24:26 < kakimir> what do you think about it?
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2017-12-27T01:34:05 < stvn> back 2 work
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2017-12-27T01:34:33 < kOStiX> any of you guys got experience with IAP programming thru usart with the ymodem?
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2017-12-27T01:41:48 < zyp> kOStiX, what part of it?
2017-12-27T01:42:32 < zyp> I haven't done ymodem, but I've done other custom bootloaders
2017-12-27T01:42:37 < kOStiX> im doing some testing with the included examples in F4cube repository
2017-12-27T01:42:53 < kOStiX> with accessing the bootloader through a serial port terminal
2017-12-27T01:43:32 < zyp> yeah?
2017-12-27T01:44:40 < kOStiX> it prints out the menu fine, i can get the flash data from the stm32f407 and save it into a file (using tera term as suggested in their application note) thgough the ymodem protocol, enabling and disabling write protection works also.. but when i try to send the firmware to the chip thru the first option and then select ymodem file send, it wont work, just stays at 0% transfer, waits for a bit
2017-12-27T01:44:40 < kOStiX> then time outs and its back to the main tera term window
2017-12-27T01:45:11 < kOStiX> driving me nuts
2017-12-27T01:47:56 < kOStiX> and cant seem to find anyone with same problem on the net, or dunno how to formulate the search
2017-12-27T01:48:23 < zyp> okay, I got nothing for you then, sorry
2017-12-27T01:48:45 < kOStiX> no probs
2017-12-27T01:49:04 < kOStiX> the firmware on the stm32 side stays at waiting for usart data i guess
2017-12-27T01:49:22 < kOStiX> so its like the frekin terminal not sending or something, its not like its rocket science i guess hehe
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2017-12-27T01:55:07 < stvn> good morning
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2017-12-27T01:59:58 < Tectu> hi
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2017-12-27T02:03:32 < karlp> jadew: did you skim all of https://www.elnec.com/en/support/ic-logos/?method=logo ?
2017-12-27T02:04:02 < karlp> kOStiX: if you're using usart, what's wrong with the rom bootloader?
2017-12-27T02:04:03 < jadew> karlp, thanks, didn't know about that list
2017-12-27T02:04:06 < jadew> checking it now
2017-12-27T02:06:37 < jadew> nothing matches
2017-12-27T02:09:39 < jadew> trying to identify an IC, but 2 hours of searching and no luck :/
2017-12-27T02:10:09 < karlp> lots of new chinese vendors thhese days sorry
2017-12-27T02:10:14 < jadew> http://5.12.11.127/stuff/unknown%20-%20ic.jpg
2017-12-27T02:10:36 < jadew> yeah
2017-12-27T02:16:13 < kOStiX> i wanna make a custom bootloader
2017-12-27T02:33:38 < kOStiX> got it working with another terminal app
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2017-12-27T04:02:23 < stvn> negro games
2017-12-27T04:15:21 < day> karlp: that list looks like a compilation of the 'most evil companies ever'. 'Allicance Semiconductor' 'ZORAN CORP." :D
2017-12-27T04:24:35 < tpw_rules> https://twitter.com/XEECEEVEVO/status/938156535967969280
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2017-12-27T08:27:38 < stvn> steffan mate
2017-12-27T08:32:55 < stvn> hi
2017-12-27T08:32:57 < stvn> hey wtf
2017-12-27T08:33:00 < stvn> you watch housos??!
2017-12-27T08:34:18 < stvn> aussie bogan show?
2017-12-27T08:35:10 < MrMobius> lol
2017-12-27T08:35:26 < MrMobius> its spelled autist
2017-12-27T08:35:35 < stvn> yeah
2017-12-27T08:35:36 < stvn> fucking autiste
2017-12-27T08:38:12 < stvn> welcome to tey lang
2017-12-27T08:38:15 < stvn> you like my big cock?
2017-12-27T08:38:25 < stvn> fucking hell steffan
2017-12-27T08:38:32 < stvn> if he wasn't getting so much pussy, he'd be on
2017-12-27T08:39:21 < MrMobius> horny Amish bastard
2017-12-27T08:46:25 < stvn> lol
2017-12-27T08:58:03 < MrMobius> sounds rapy
2017-12-27T08:58:50 < stvn> in australia~
2017-12-27T08:59:10 < stvn> doesn't take luck
2017-12-27T09:00:57 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pj-0boPc3w
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2017-12-27T09:08:17 < MrMobius> definitely rapy now
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2017-12-27T09:26:09 < stvn> ok
2017-12-27T09:26:37 < stvn> n
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2017-12-27T10:30:36 < MrMobius> lol you scared away stvn
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2017-12-27T11:53:17 < dongs> hello dongs
2017-12-27T11:58:36 < akaWolf> hi, dongie =)
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2017-12-27T13:32:11 < dongs> where are chats
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2017-12-27T13:32:58 < dongs> oh what teu fkc
2017-12-27T13:33:04 < dongs> englishman: fix your fucking privmsgs
2017-12-27T13:33:18 < dongs> [feenoe] -!- [rajaniemi.freenode.net] englishman You must log in with services to message this user
2017-12-27T13:33:40 < dongs> if only the kikes of feenode would fucking let me reset my password
2017-12-27T13:33:46 < dongs> on a nickname that belongs to me
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2017-12-27T13:52:12 < Orson> Hey, anyone used _Fract types on a F10x chips? Do I have to link with libgcc to use them?
2017-12-27T13:58:12 < PaulFertser> libgcc should be linked automatically, it has other useful functions like 64-bit multiplication/division etc.
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2017-12-27T14:05:33 < Orson> Ok, I should investigate what I need to be able to ditch the freestanding approach.
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2017-12-27T14:46:11 < karlp> Orson: just start using more h eaders?
2017-12-27T14:46:31 < karlp> don't pass -ffreestanding?
2017-12-27T14:46:47 < Orson> I now have a freestanding bare metal setup, so I'll have to supply some stuff to start up with stdlib
2017-12-27T14:46:58 < karlp> indeed,
2017-12-27T14:47:27 < karlp> well,
2017-12-27T14:47:32 < Orson> I'll probably emulate fixed point types for now usinf 32 bit ints for now
2017-12-27T14:47:34 < karlp> are you using -ffreestanding now?
2017-12-27T14:47:37 < Orson> Yes
2017-12-27T14:47:42 < karlp> I just use -nostartfiles instead,
2017-12-27T14:47:57 < karlp> so I still get aall the libs, just no crt0 crap that screws up startup
2017-12-27T14:48:34 < karlp> not sure how orthoganol those optiosn are, probably some overlap, some different directions
2017-12-27T14:48:57 < Orson> Oh thats nice - thanks
2017-12-27T14:50:04 < karlp> that's a linker flag,
2017-12-27T15:02:40 < karlp> hooray! fixed major kicad annoyance.  unchecked "center annd warp cursor on zoom"
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2017-12-27T15:24:03 < Fleck> karlp: :p
2017-12-27T15:43:30 < jpa-> karlp: i like that feature
2017-12-27T15:47:32 < karlp> I think myt mouse just doesn't stay still properly
2017-12-27T15:47:45 < karlp> now that I can see whhat it's trying to do, it's.... sort of unnderstandable at least.
2017-12-27T15:48:05 < karlp> but too often I've minuscule moved my mouse in teh middle, cursor jumps and I'm off in the middle of somewhere else
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2017-12-27T16:21:38 < Steffanx> iirc master jpa- pointed me to that checkbox when i used kicad back in the time. Not sure how that feature can ever be useful.
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2017-12-27T17:09:30 < Rob235> herro
2017-12-27T17:36:24 < jsoft> so do boot0 pins generally not have any pull up's / down's ?
2017-12-27T17:36:35 < dongs> what the fuck is this freestanding shit
2017-12-27T17:36:49 < dongs> jsoft, see datasheet.
2017-12-27T17:36:54 < dongs> and no they dont
2017-12-27T17:38:02 < jsoft> dongs, yeah I was trying find any definate 'this does not have a pull down
2017-12-27T17:38:29 < dongs> jsoft,. the datasheet has the definite.
2017-12-27T17:38:40 < dongs> you are not supposed to leave boot0 floating, if you do, bad things will happen
2017-12-27T17:38:48 < dongs> or boot1 for that matter
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2017-12-27T17:38:55 < dongs> that has fucked me over a couple times.
2017-12-27T17:39:22 < dongs> boot0 tied up + boot1 floating  yo uget random boots into sram
2017-12-27T17:39:57 < branjb> just use 0 ohms or jumpers on them
2017-12-27T17:40:10 < karlp> boot1 you can float, as long as boot0 is tied down :)
2017-12-27T17:40:13 < branjb> no commitment necessary
2017-12-27T17:43:15 < karlp> fucking kicad,
2017-12-27T17:43:46 < karlp> just renamed some designators, it lost it's head going over to pcb, has tried keeping them with their old shiht
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2017-12-27T17:45:10 < dongs> lol, rdp'd into my desktop at home
2017-12-27T17:45:13 < dongs> CPU temp at 15C
2017-12-27T17:45:20 < dongs> that means it must be nearly 0C at the office
2017-12-27T17:45:30 < dongs> fucking japs
2017-12-27T17:46:01 < branjb> they work in 32F offices?wtf?
2017-12-27T17:46:22 < branjb> i knew they were masochistic but
2017-12-27T17:46:47 < BrainDamage> do they wear shirt and tie regardless of temp?
2017-12-27T17:46:53 < BrainDamage> from -10 to +40
2017-12-27T17:50:28 < karlp> man, how the fuck are you supposed to work i kicad if you can't change designators, ever
2017-12-27T17:52:59 < branjb> make sure rev1 is perfect
2017-12-27T17:58:05 < englishman> karlp>	man, how the fuck are you supposed to work i kicad
2017-12-27T17:58:11 < englishman> no need for redundancy
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2017-12-27T18:01:21 < karlp> "this is how it is, refdes is how parts are tracked"
2017-12-27T18:01:26 < karlp> just... wat
2017-12-27T18:01:56 < jadew> on BGA footprints are missing columns counted too?
2017-12-27T18:02:21 < jadew> so if you go A B C D <E is missing> then the next is F or E?
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2017-12-27T18:08:44 < karlp> apparenntly, I should have chosen to re-import the netlist via timestamp.
2017-12-27T18:08:54 < karlp> I fuckinng hate that dialog, it's the worst part of kicad by far, this
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2017-12-27T18:14:18 < karlp> wow, change footprint from socket to pinn hheaders, just to make the 3d view nice, update pcb,
2017-12-27T18:14:29 < karlp> nwo it's lost the connections annd placed them againn rotated 90°
2017-12-27T18:23:43 < dongs> karlp: why do you even bothe rwiht kikecad
2017-12-27T18:23:47 < dongs> doesnt sound liek youre getting any work done
2017-12-27T18:24:55 < karlp> well, this is project number 1.
2017-12-27T18:25:24 < dongs> first and last
2017-12-27T18:25:25 < karlp> and the alternnatives are what, find a pile of money for altium, a different pile of money for eagle, a third pile of money for pads?
2017-12-27T18:25:25 < dongs> amirite
2017-12-27T18:25:42 < dongs> is it an opensores project?
2017-12-27T18:25:48 < dongs> or workstuff
2017-12-27T18:25:54 < dongs> eagle is pretty much out of the question
2017-12-27T18:25:56 < dongs> unusable shit
2017-12-27T18:26:01 < dongs> PADS was last recompiled in 1995
2017-12-27T18:26:01 < karlp> this one, yes, but the reasonn I'm doing this is to potentially move forward from old eagle at work.
2017-12-27T18:26:23 < karlp> last preautocad eagle wasn't  bad, but don't hhave a license for that, only the older one.
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2017-12-27T19:12:10 < karlp> oh, so apparently stable kicad is still years behind. awesome
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2017-12-27T19:48:19 < upgrdman> javascript demoscene, kinda neat:  https://www.dwitter.net/top
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2017-12-27T20:16:37 < Thorn> https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40288/are-obese-patients-in-the-us-commonly-sent-to-zoos-for-ct-scans
2017-12-27T20:17:27 < jadew> lmfao
2017-12-27T20:17:55 < BrainDamage> props for the creativity
2017-12-27T20:21:20 < jadew> some of them, are redirected from the zoo to the aquarium
2017-12-27T20:26:35 < jadew> "Dr. Kahan said another doctor had sent one of his patients to a zoo for a scan. She was so humiliated that she declined requests for an interview."
2017-12-27T20:27:48 < jadew> - Hello, is Mrs. X home? - _Of course_, but this is her doughter. - I heard yo momma is so fat they sent her to the animal doctors, care to comment?
2017-12-27T20:43:05 < englishman> linux is ruining my day
2017-12-27T20:43:15 < englishman> is there any windows tool to format fat32 64gb
2017-12-27T20:43:26 < englishman> lunix has been failing with usb3 for the past 90 minutes
2017-12-27T20:45:37 < englishman> haha
2017-12-27T20:45:42 < englishman> Lux: you fucking saved me
2017-12-27T20:45:52 < englishman> that isolator i ordered months ago that slows shit down to uSB2
2017-12-27T21:12:21 < PaulFertser> englishman: btw, Linux includes Intel xHCI drivers written by pros on Intel payroll.
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2017-12-27T21:13:20 < englishman> wow, not even intel pros can unfuck linux
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2017-12-27T21:19:04 < PaulFertser> superbia1: in my sentence only "pros" was meant sarcastically.
2017-12-27T21:20:03 < Steffanx> i miss ranewen.
2017-12-27T21:21:00 < PaulFertser> And btw, this channel might enjoy the fact that one of the main intel xhci driver developers is also known for _her_ protests against sexism during various Linux dev events.
2017-12-27T21:21:44 < PaulFertser> http://www.wired.co.uk/article/sarah-sharp
2017-12-27T21:22:20 < Steffanx> rawenen, my old romanian friend. Someoned traded you for him.
2017-12-27T21:22:28 < Steffanx> *someone
2017-12-27T21:24:16 < Steffanx> izua, the founder of this channel was romanian too. fwiw :P
2017-12-27T21:27:38 < PaulFertser> englishman: I once had a relatively deep dive into Linux usb subsystem (down to the configuration bits of a USB controller) and of all the annoyances were tracked down to the code written by "pros" working for great-back-then Nokia.
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2017-12-27T21:31:31 < englishman> never trust the finns
2017-12-27T21:33:16 < englishman> i wonder why mkfs.vfat -F32 takes like 50 seconds
2017-12-27T21:33:53 < BrainDamage> time command to know how much it takes
2017-12-27T21:34:39 < englishman> BrainDamage: do i sudo before or after time
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2017-12-27T21:35:07 < englishman> before
2017-12-27T21:35:48 < englishman> 35:27 including about 1-1.5 seconds to scan a barcode
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2017-12-27T22:37:35 < Thorn> why would "svc 0" throw a UNALIGNED usage fault
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2017-12-27T23:38:19 < karlp> PaulFertser: intel xhci is hardly a shinning beacon of opensource development....
2017-12-27T23:39:16 < karlp> nvm, see more scrollback now :)
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2017-12-27T23:43:05 < dale6998> hey, can I run two I2C peripherals at a different voltage?
2017-12-27T23:43:18 < dale6998> one at 3.0V and the other at 1.8V?
2017-12-27T23:43:24 < dale6998> not sure where that's spelled out in the reference manual
2017-12-27T23:43:44 < karlp> how would one do that?
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2017-12-27T23:44:40 < dale6998> Well, I could pull I2C1 up to 3.0V through external pullups and the other I2C2 up to 1.8V through two different external pullups?
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2017-12-27T23:45:24 < Thorn> so that one and the same net would be @ 2 different voltages?
2017-12-27T23:45:55 < Thorn> oh wait 2 different buses
2017-12-27T23:45:57 < ds2> yes but you need a bridge chip
2017-12-27T23:46:04 < Thorn> nvm
2017-12-27T23:46:04 < dale6998> Thorn: Well, I'm not sure if we're saying the same thing..
2017-12-27T23:46:08 < ds2> or a pair of properly wired up FETs
2017-12-27T23:46:09 < dale6998> Thorn: oh, now we are!
2017-12-27T23:46:52 < karlp> what were you planning on runninv vdd at?
2017-12-27T23:46:52 < dale6998> ds2: ok
2017-12-27T23:46:58 < Thorn> you need to check if 1.8V is still going to be logic "1" for your stm32 (assuming it is powered from 3V)
2017-12-27T23:47:13 < dale6998> 3V
2017-12-27T23:47:16 < dale6998> karlp: 3V
2017-12-27T23:47:34 < karlp> so, what thorn said,
2017-12-27T23:47:41 < Thorn> 3.*0.7 = 2.1V
2017-12-27T23:47:49 < karlp> if the thresholds are ok, sure, no problem, but I'm dubious
2017-12-27T23:48:09 < Thorn> can't remember if "1" is 0.7Vdd...Vdd for stm32
2017-12-27T23:48:12 < karlp> you'd probaably be better running vdd at 1.8V, and relying on the overvoltage protection ;)
2017-12-27T23:48:23 < karlp> but you can check in the datasheet
2017-12-27T23:48:55 < karlp> (there's also lots of voltages between 1.8 and 3.3, that mightt actually be mutually compatible with your devices.
2017-12-27T23:49:09 < ds2> karlp: would that work on I2C?
2017-12-27T23:49:32 < ds2> isn't the protection diode going to clamp the line at 1.8V and confuse the other end?
2017-12-27T23:49:40 < ds2> 1.8V + Vf
2017-12-27T23:49:58 < dale6998> ok, checking now
2017-12-27T23:51:13 < Lux> englishman: cool, what did you do with it ?
2017-12-27T23:51:22 < Lux> iirc it slows down to usb1.1
2017-12-27T23:52:44 < dale6998> looks like you're right...0.7VDD
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2017-12-27T23:57:47 < Thorn> ds2: aiui if a pin is 5V tolerant the diode shouldn't conduct until 5V + Vf(?)
2017-12-27T23:59:06 < upgrdman> urge to kill rising. wtf don't 3d printer mfg's use supersonic pwm. it's not like they need to save every last milliwatt of gate driving.
2017-12-27T23:59:13 < karlp> ds2: hrm, no idea, but was thinking like thorn.
2017-12-27T23:59:27 < karlp> I'd gennerally bee trying to avoid the situation up front :)
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2017-12-28T00:01:12 < ds2> I read 5V tolerant as the oxide is thickenough to not fry at 5V but is still limited to Vdd
2017-12-28T00:01:26 < ds2> easy enough to toss in a level translator/bridge... tons out there
2017-12-28T00:02:02 < ds2> if you are doing a PCB, I'd at least put in pads for that and may be 0's (or traces to bypass it)
2017-12-28T00:02:23 < Thorn> I remember seeing a circuit with a protection diode connected to some dedicated rail higher than Vdd(?) in some stm32 datasheet
2017-12-28T00:02:49 < ds2> does the STM32 have charge pumps for a higher voltage?
2017-12-28T00:02:57 < Thorn> but I'm looking through stm32f0 docs and can't find any figure that would show protection diodes at all
2017-12-28T00:03:09 < Thorn> maybe only some famililies do
2017-12-28T00:03:41 < ds2> aren't those pins broken out on a discovery board?
2017-12-28T00:04:13 < ds2> couldn't you just pull one of them up to 5V with a something like 4.7K and measure the voltage? (assuming you configure the pinmux to be an input)
2017-12-28T00:07:23 < ds2> (and nothing else is on that line)
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2017-12-28T00:15:38 < Thorn> ok found it https://i.imgur.com/E8v43q0.png
2017-12-28T00:15:50 < Thorn> this is from the F401 RM
2017-12-28T00:16:11 < Thorn> >VDD_FT is a potential specific to five-volt tolerant I/Os and different from VDD.
2017-12-28T00:16:58 < Thorn> how different lol
2017-12-28T00:21:25 < Thorn> >I/O FT input leakage current  VIN = 5 V  max 3 μA
2017-12-28T00:21:53 < Thorn> >To sustain a voltage higher than VDD +0.3 V, the internal pull-up/pull-down resistors must be disabled.
2017-12-28T00:23:32 < Thorn> https://www.google.com/patents/US6353333
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2017-12-28T00:44:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uWPIyXIx35l-Nw_09399j3zyeSADJ3m5/view
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2017-12-28T01:47:21 < BrainDamage> did you get bullied too much in high school or what
2017-12-28T01:52:15 < englishman> ds2: you can use a level shifter IC or two properly spec'd fets, there is an appnote from.... Nxp? Google it and it's one of the first results
2017-12-28T01:52:46 < englishman> Lux: as I don't have any USB2 hubs used it to slow down this usb3 card reader so lunix could use it
2017-12-28T01:53:29 < englishman> oh sorry ds2 wrong guy
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2017-12-28T02:41:30 < jsoft> Gotta say, this stm32 workbench thing is actually behaving well so far. debugging working, all happy.
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2017-12-28T03:12:24 < day> the stlink programmer on the nucleo boards, is it connected via JTAG to the mcu?
2017-12-28T03:12:47 < dongs> < englishman> wow, not even intel pros can unfuck linux
2017-12-28T03:12:50 < dongs> lol, its a fact
2017-12-28T03:12:52 < day> looking at the schematic i can see a SWO TMS TCK but that appears to be all :/
2017-12-28T03:12:58 < dongs> intel had paid employees writing ACPI 4 lunix
2017-12-28T03:13:07 < dongs> and its still an absolute shitfest of broken garbage
2017-12-28T03:13:19 < dongs> lunix still doesnt support proper suspend to ram or suspend to disk, in 2017 lol
2017-12-28T03:13:23 < day> lunix is long dead distribution~
2017-12-28T03:13:37 < dongs> yet every retarded brown-colored lunix distro already added those menus to their desktop "environments"
2017-12-28T03:14:59 < dongs> also englishman diskpart.exe has always been able to format 64g fat32
2017-12-28T03:15:01 < dongs> what the ell
2017-12-28T03:15:10 < dongs> the only thing in windows that doesnt is that right click format shit
2017-12-28T03:15:13 < dongs> diskpart always can
2017-12-28T03:17:53 < dongs> day, why would it be connected via jtag when swd works
2017-12-28T03:18:04 < dongs> thats why only swclk and swdio is connected
2017-12-28T03:18:05 < dongs> and swo
2017-12-28T03:18:20 < dongs> do you ENJOY wasting pins for nothing?
2017-12-28T03:18:43 < day> just  trying to replicate the circuit, dont want to end up with a board that i cant program :p
2017-12-28T03:19:01 < dongs> er? are you adding a programming header for your board?
2017-12-28T03:19:08 < day> yes
2017-12-28T03:20:08 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf i would recommend following these things if you want a standard connector, if you wanna just do shit foryourself 6 pins with VCC, SWCLK, SWDIO, SWO, NRST and GND would be enough
2017-12-28T03:20:26 < dongs> if you dont carea bout SWO, yuo can leave that off.
2017-12-28T03:20:32 < dongs> donno if stdink even supports that properly
2017-12-28T03:20:47 < dongs> technically you dont need nrst either
2017-12-28T03:20:56 < dongs> but sometimes its helpful to connect under reset
2017-12-28T03:21:05 < dongs> if you fucked up and flashed some shit that disables debug port at boot
2017-12-28T03:21:34 < day> i have enough ports so im not concerned with 'wasting' any on the programming interface
2017-12-28T03:21:39 < dongs> 2nd page of that pdf, 'cortex debug connector
2017-12-28T03:22:34 < dongs> i think most? all? nucleo/etc boards with stlink on them have a 5 or 6 pin header wtih stuff on it
2017-12-28T03:22:54 < dongs> that youcan jumper into your board.
2017-12-28T03:22:54 < day> yes, there is a 6pin header (1x6)
2017-12-28T03:23:10 < dongs> after breaking the jumpers leading to target mcu
2017-12-28T03:23:10 < day> apparently you also need to remove some resistors :P
2017-12-28T03:23:11 < dongs> right
2017-12-28T03:30:20 < day> dongs: you can easily pull the NRST down with the programmer? the nucleo has it routed to a physical button
2017-12-28T03:30:38 < dongs> with a proper debug propbe you can
2017-12-28T03:30:42 < dongs> i dont know if stlink does
2017-12-28T03:30:58 < dongs> "connect under reset" is what its called
2017-12-28T03:32:15 < day> hm its on the connector therefore i assume it should work
2017-12-28T03:32:41 < dongs> on the 6 pin?
2017-12-28T03:32:51 < day> 5
2017-12-28T03:38:33 < dongs> with gay porn?
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2017-12-28T03:55:12 < dongs> R2COM, i like my printf over swo and logic analyzer/graphs in keiland ozone
2017-12-28T03:55:38 < dongs> jlink ultra pro
2017-12-28T03:55:43 < day> dongs: i thought you are a gcc openocd fan
2017-12-28T03:55:55 < day> ^
2017-12-28T03:56:04 < dongs> what gave ou that ideas
2017-12-28T03:56:13 < day> i mean you talk about it every day
2017-12-28T03:56:16 < day> theres gotta be love there
2017-12-28T03:56:31 < day> tsundere dongs
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2017-12-28T03:59:51 < dongs> time to gtfo
2017-12-28T03:59:53 < dongs> bbl
2017-12-28T04:05:32 < upgrdman> sup R2COM
2017-12-28T04:05:37 < srk> https://github.com/mubes/orbuculum so cool!
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2017-12-28T04:46:59 < emeb_mac> BSY is the right way to do it when you're using PIO to handle things.
2017-12-28T04:51:14 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/4b7rl4lvjj601.jpg
2017-12-28T04:53:07 < emeb_mac> PIO = programmed IO
2017-12-28T04:53:22 < emeb_mac> ie - not automated, requiring CPU intervention
2017-12-28T05:11:14 < jadew> what kind of music is this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0H2OM8lKXw
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2017-12-28T05:35:26 < jadew> I love those trumpets
2017-12-28T05:35:57 < jadew> but it has a spanish kind of sound to it, so I'm hoping to find others like that
2017-12-28T05:39:13 < jadew> it's probably you
2017-12-28T05:39:21 < jadew> the song is fine
2017-12-28T05:40:27 < jadew> I like the trumpets here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY3ZTLfKQkI&feature=youtu.be&t=149
2017-12-28T05:42:01 < jadew> so you like... folk?
2017-12-28T05:45:49 < jadew> not very uplifting
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2017-12-28T05:49:17 < jadew> that sounds like what I could listen going to sleep, not to war
2017-12-28T05:50:41 < jadew> maybe you could have linked this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkX1iNUq6Jw
2017-12-28T05:50:47 < jadew> same theme, better sounding
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2017-12-28T05:55:27 < jadew> sounds good, but sad clip
2017-12-28T05:55:53 < jadew> cuz it shows lots of graves of dead soldiers
2017-12-28T05:56:24 < jadew> I'm into softer stuff now tho, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ2Bf9-Y0jA
2017-12-28T05:57:37 < jadew> I have close to 0 knowledge of WW I or II history
2017-12-28T05:58:41 < jadew> he had some sort of medal, but I never thought anything of it
2017-12-28T05:58:57 < jadew> my grandparents didn't speak much of the war
2017-12-28T05:59:27 < jadew> nobody I know remembers it fondly
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2017-12-28T07:02:10 < jsoft> Do ST-LINK Clones RST not work ?
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2017-12-28T07:25:39 < jsoft> So im having a few problems with my arm gizmo here. I've got the whole system workbench thing happening, and I am using el st-link clono. It's a V2 I believe. Anyway, it acts a bit odd. I can program it, debug it, but when I stop the debugging, I need to power the board off before debugging again. Otherwise it goes 'wrong device detected'. Any suggestions here?
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2017-12-28T08:39:14 < Orson> Hi
2017-12-28T08:55:17 < PaulFertser> jsoft: yes, some stlink clones have rst miswired but there exists a fixed firmware for them.
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2017-12-28T09:57:48 < invzim> https://i.stack.imgur.com/L0ahN.gif
2017-12-28T09:58:00 < invzim> GNDDetect - can't find any info on it
2017-12-28T09:58:29 < invzim> making an adapter board going from 20pin 2.54->10pin 1.27mm
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2017-12-28T10:32:32 < PaulFertser> invzim: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf specifies gnddetect for 20pin too.
2017-12-28T10:33:11 < PaulFertser> And it has a link to another document that defines all the signals.
2017-12-28T10:34:35 < invzim> but how/what does it do?
2017-12-28T10:36:26 < PaulFertser> invzim: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0314h/DDI0314H_coresight_components_trm.pdf
2017-12-28T10:37:18 < PaulFertser> invzim: apparently debugger is supposed to pull this line down, and so if your target pulls it up, it will be able to detect the presence of a debugger.
2017-12-28T10:39:13 < invzim> hm
2017-12-28T10:39:44 < invzim> the way the completely reversed the pinout for the 20 pin in the first document is impressive :)
2017-12-28T10:40:32 < PaulFertser> :)
2017-12-28T10:43:52 < invzim> anyho, seems segger jlink (clone) use the legacy 20pin pinout
2017-12-28T10:45:20 < PaulFertser> pre-cortex, yes
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2017-12-28T12:31:18 < karlp> invzim: just get this: https://www.oshpark.com/shared_projects/QoUhDy2L
2017-12-28T12:31:21 < karlp> ##stm32 approved
2017-12-28T12:32:19 < karlp> also: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
2017-12-28T12:35:16 < zyp> PaulFertser, isn't it the opposite way around?
2017-12-28T12:35:34 < zyp> target connects gnddetect low, debugger senses to detect target?
2017-12-28T12:36:16 < zyp> hmm, apparently I'm wrong
2017-12-28T12:36:24 < zyp> «Can be used by target system for debugger presence detection.»
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2017-12-28T13:31:12 < invzim> karlp: that would probably be the smart and efficient way of doing it
2017-12-28T13:31:23 < invzim> already ordered right angle connectors tho
2017-12-28T13:34:03 < PaulFertser> karlp: is that dongs'?
2017-12-28T13:35:23 < zyp> looks like it
2017-12-28T13:36:13 < PaulFertser> https://www.oshpark.com/shared_projects/otR7wHeC
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2017-12-28T13:53:47 < karlp> englishman's iirc
2017-12-28T13:54:03 < karlp> samd5 errata, "The internal pull-up of the RESET pin is not functional"
2017-12-28T13:54:19 < karlp> you'd want to be glad you did your pcb after reading the errata!
2017-12-28T13:55:05 < zyp> sounds like lpc43xx
2017-12-28T13:55:34 < karlp> invzim: also, just https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=1188-1016-ND linked from the zysnips page
2017-12-28T13:55:45 < karlp> it's cheapppp you're wasting time building it :)
2017-12-28T13:56:04 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/cILud.JPG
2017-12-28T13:57:07 < zyp> IIRC it's specced to have internal pullup, but in practice board wouldn't run without debugger connected until I added an external one
2017-12-28T13:58:06 < karlp> who was it here was just looking at some SAM parts? were they happy/not happy?
2017-12-28T13:59:20 < karlp> heh, how's this for errata then, "Ethernet functionality in 64-pin packages is not available."
2017-12-28T13:59:24 < karlp> oooops
2017-12-28T14:00:27 < karlp> that would be so fucked,
2017-12-28T14:00:39 < karlp> all their product selectors still have ethernet in the 64pin packages.
2017-12-28T14:01:32 < zyp> sounds just like the uncertainty of whether f405 had OTG_HS
2017-12-28T14:01:57 < karlp> hrm? don't rememeber that?
2017-12-28T14:02:44 < zyp> it's from when f405 was new
2017-12-28T14:04:35 < karlp> Iguess these D5/E5 parts are new, errata sheet only talks about silicon rev A.
2017-12-28T14:05:12 < zyp> f4 DS revision history lists «Updated number of USB OTG HS and FS in Table 2: STM32F405xx and STM32F407xx: features and peripheral counts.»
2017-12-28T14:05:41 < zyp> IIRC, first revision said f405 didn't have OTG_HS
2017-12-28T14:05:49 < zyp> and I found out after designing a board using it
2017-12-28T14:06:07 < zyp> rolled the board, found out it worked anyway
2017-12-28T14:07:43 < dongs> hello nerds
2017-12-28T14:08:26 < Steffanx> Hello my friend.
2017-12-28T14:10:24 < karlp> yeh, wow, datasheet is rev A, from july this year.
2017-12-28T14:13:49 < Steffanx> Fyi invzim, that pcbis from englishman
2017-12-28T14:14:21 < Steffanx> Oops scroll fail
2017-12-28T14:34:59 < Orson> Hey guys, can anyone point me to a complete list of prerequisites for ADC to work (in regular mode) for F10x chips? There is no configuration sequence in the datasheet (as for e.g. DMA)
2017-12-28T14:35:18 < Orson> I have two firmwares that just init the ADC and then read its resupt into a variable
2017-12-28T14:35:33 < Orson> One of the firmwares uses STDPeriph, the other is bare metal
2017-12-28T14:36:17 < dongs> turn on clocks, ADC_RegularChannelConfig(), enable ADC, reset calibration, start calibration, then start conversion or dma or whatever hwen you ened to
2017-12-28T14:36:27 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_adc.c
2017-12-28T14:36:41 < Orson> I checked that RCC's CR, CFGR, AHBENR, APB1ENR, APB2ENR as well as ADC's CRs, SMPRs, and SQR registers are exactlry the same
2017-12-28T14:37:23 < Orson> Still the baremetal setup always reads zero in the DR register.
2017-12-28T14:39:25 < Orson> Oh and the system clock speed is 72MHz in both cases, so it is not a prescaler choice issue
2017-12-28T14:41:45 < Orson> Probably something in the startup code that needs to be taken care of?
2017-12-28T14:42:08 < Orson> Or just a stupid mistake like a wrong register address etc (looking for thise ATM)
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2017-12-28T14:44:26 < dongs> startup?
2017-12-28T14:44:31 < dongs> why would anything in startup matter.
2017-12-28T14:44:49 < dongs> enable clocks, see what ADC_Init does, see what ADC_AddRegularChannel does, and enable it.
2017-12-28T14:45:01 < dongs> donno if calibration is mandatory, does your stdperph code run calibration>?
2017-12-28T14:47:03 < Orson> Nope, I ditched it - still works (at least it reacts to the potentiometer at all)
2017-12-28T14:47:52 < Orson> The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that all the relevant registers I could think of appear identical upon direct inspection
2017-12-28T14:48:35 < dongs> switch to cubemx
2017-12-28T14:48:37 < dongs> problem solved.
2017-12-28T14:48:37 < Orson> I also did not understand in full the remark in the manual that the ADON bit should be set once to wake the ADC up and then another time after t_stab
2017-12-28T14:48:51 < Orson> Nice, thanks
2017-12-28T14:54:13 < dongs> may i seriously ask why do you care
2017-12-28T14:58:40 < Orson> I just wanted to understand how the hardware works
2017-12-28T15:03:20 < dongs> clearly, you didn't
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2017-12-28T15:06:20 < Orson> Clearly, I'm not the only one :)
2017-12-28T15:07:50 < jpa-> karlp: hmm you zoom with keyboard, not with mouse wheel?
2017-12-28T15:12:42 < karlp> no, wheel
2017-12-28T15:25:01 < Cracki> offtopic question to the muricans: where did you get the people from that actually shit on your sidewalks?
2017-12-28T15:33:48 < BrainDamage> now i know why kakmir says he's finnish https://www.reddit.com/r/finlandConspiracy/
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2017-12-28T15:43:56 < dongs> Cracki: try asking the question in a way taht acutalyl maeks sense
2017-12-28T15:45:12 < Cracki> https://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/22/denver-approves-sentencing-changes-immigration/
2017-12-28T15:45:49 < Cracki> a bit old, but recently came up again
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2017-12-28T15:49:54 < Cracki> and what the heck is this about https://www.dailywire.com/news/12001/san-francisco-requires-poop-maps-help-pedestrians-hank-berrien
2017-12-28T15:50:13 < Cracki> I realize one might call the reputation of the site into question
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2017-12-28T17:28:30 < Getty> Just if someone didn't knew yet: Yes, the uart can become broken on raspberry without anything else getting broken.......
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2017-12-28T17:49:17 < Ultrasauce> im sure the skillful application of mains voltage could correct the situation
2017-12-28T17:55:45 < upgrdman> the font in the address bar looks like dongs' phone font:   https://i.redd.it/cmv5wg23qo601.png
2017-12-28T17:59:32 < Steffanx> And yet upgrdman finds something again that involves dicks/dongs/whatever.
2017-12-28T18:00:07 < upgrdman> it's a talent.
2017-12-28T18:01:36 < Steffanx> a hobby..
2017-12-28T18:01:44 < upgrdman> that too
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2017-12-28T19:58:04 < Laurenceb_> sup trollz
2017-12-28T20:05:37 < BrainDam1> mmm another idea to repourpose you shaker, find the distribution of sudden infant death syndrome as consequence of hard shaking
2017-12-28T20:08:19 < Laurenceb_> this experiment will surely pass ethics review
2017-12-28T20:21:19 < BrainDam1> as if any of your typical chat would
2017-12-28T20:22:32 < Steffanx> How was your day superbia?
2017-12-28T20:22:52 < BrainDam1> if i wanted a voicevover commentary i'd have started a carreer in
2017-12-28T20:23:21 < BrainDam1> shitty 3rd class telefilms, thanksyouverynuch
2017-12-28T20:25:09 < Steffanx> He said sarcastically.
2017-12-28T20:26:33 < BrainDam1> sarcasm is a valid defence on the interwebs, more accepptable too with a decent degree of self loathing
2017-12-28T20:27:39 < Steffanx> 20k euro taht is superbia?
2017-12-28T20:32:14 < Steffanx> Why not? Because it can be dollar, Romanian Lei or whatever currency you did not specify, superbia.
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2017-12-28T20:45:32 < Laurenceb_> Cool fact: sometimes the Hutterites in Alberta will invite you into their colonies to be sperm donors for young women. Apparently they put a curtain over the woman's face and then you impregnate her for the good of the clan.
2017-12-28T20:45:41 < Laurenceb_> status: moving to Canada
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2017-12-28T20:49:07 < noonien> hot af! https://i.imgur.com/Xyj4mnp.jpg
2017-12-28T20:52:04 < Laurenceb_> looks like isis 2.0
2017-12-28T20:52:11 < branjb> what is this STM32CUBEPROG?
2017-12-28T21:00:34 < Steffanx> ST link utility rewritten in java i guess?
2017-12-28T21:00:51 < Laurenceb_> lul sounds about right
2017-12-28T21:00:57 < branjb> was there a lot of customer demand for such a thing?
2017-12-28T21:01:24 < Laurenceb_> there is never customer demand for anything written in java
2017-12-28T21:02:11 < PaulFertser> What about Gerrit code review system?
2017-12-28T21:04:00 < Steffanx> never used that.
2017-12-28T21:04:12 < Steffanx> is that really java PaulFertser?
2017-12-28T21:07:04 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: sure. And Jenkins too.
2017-12-28T21:07:59 < zyp> entire atlassian suite is also java
2017-12-28T21:08:26 < zyp> my old employer ran an internal setup of that
2017-12-28T21:13:07 < PaulFertser> So can we conclude Laurenceb_'s proven wrong regarding java?
2017-12-28T21:15:10 < invzim> anyone here done qfn64?
2017-12-28T21:16:25 < PaulFertser> In what sense?
2017-12-28T21:17:25 < invzim> footprint and production
2017-12-28T21:17:51 < zyp> any reason you're asking about 64 in particular?
2017-12-28T21:17:54 < invzim> altium ipc does 0.2mm drills, which is a little over my budget :)
2017-12-28T21:18:05 < zyp> qfn, drills?
2017-12-28T21:18:06 < zyp> wat
2017-12-28T21:18:29 < invzim> in the gnd pad
2017-12-28T21:18:40 < zyp> oh
2017-12-28T21:18:54 < zyp> I never add drills to gnd pad in footprint
2017-12-28T21:19:36 < zyp> just do a smt pad and add the drills when you're finishing up the board layout, makes it easier to route stuff under the part
2017-12-28T21:20:21 < invzim> done largish, like 64, with 0.3mm drills without issues?
2017-12-28T21:21:09 < zyp> what issues do you imagine?
2017-12-28T21:22:06 < invzim> paste getting sucked away, making the pad not being properly connected
2017-12-28T21:22:23 < zyp> I haven't done as large as 64, but I don't see why a hole in a large gnd pad would be any more problematic than a small one
2017-12-28T21:22:41 < zyp> hole to pad ratio is larger for a smaller gnd pad
2017-12-28T21:23:01 < invzim> larger holes can fit more paste
2017-12-28T21:23:14 < zyp> also, are you tenting the vias on the back?
2017-12-28T21:23:40 < invzim> not sure, probably
2017-12-28T21:24:09 < zyp> I think I'd be more afraid of the solder mask leaking onto the pad than the solder being wicked away
2017-12-28T21:24:35 < zyp> IIRC I have some photos of that somewhere
2017-12-28T21:25:28 < zyp> ah, disregard, I'm thinking of this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/E08pl.JPG
2017-12-28T21:25:48 < zyp> capacitor fotprint above the bga
2017-12-28T21:27:04 < invzim> allright, I'll do a little googling
2017-12-28T21:27:06 < invzim> thnks
2017-12-28T21:27:53 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/XQc3j.png <- here's the last qfn I did, four 10mil holes in the corners
2017-12-28T21:27:59 < zyp> haven't had any problems with those
2017-12-28T21:28:41 < invzim> do the vias have any other function than thermal?
2017-12-28T21:28:55 < zyp> grounding
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2017-12-28T21:29:01 < zyp> idk
2017-12-28T21:29:10 < zyp> if you have a lot of them, it's certainly for thermal
2017-12-28T21:29:24 < zyp> if there's only a few, it's mostly grounding
2017-12-28T21:29:48 < zyp> how much thermal conductivity you need depends on how much power your chip dissipates as well
2017-12-28T21:30:24 < zyp> most chips doesn't dissipate enough for it to matter much, consider if you can get the same chip in qfp as well
2017-12-28T21:30:47 < zyp> being a qfn chip by itself doesn't mean that it has higher cooling needs than a qfp
2017-12-28T21:33:27 < invzim> I take plain packages over un-inspectable ones any day of the week
2017-12-28T21:33:43 < invzim> actually, small qfn's arent that bad
2017-12-28T21:33:50 < zyp> just buy an xray
2017-12-28T21:33:58 < zyp> (and let me come borrow it after you've done so)
2017-12-28T21:35:12 < invzim> :)
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2017-12-28T21:42:50 < Steffanx> just ebay some used denist xray.
2017-12-28T21:47:00 < BrainDam1> the emitter is easy, the receiver is the annoying part
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2017-12-28T22:13:34 < karlp> if you want to synchronise printing, that's uyp to you nd your appliciation
2017-12-28T22:16:41 < zyp> karlp, huh?
2017-12-28T22:22:27 < karlp> doh, how did that end up in this window
2017-12-28T22:23:37 < upgrdman> yay, i got my 3d printer working and printing reliably:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/replicator_first_prints.jpg
2017-12-28T22:24:01 < upgrdman> now it only a matter of time before i austism this robot   http://www.farrellf.com/temp/centipede_walk_cycle.gif
2017-12-28T22:24:19 < Thorn> https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/pull/155
2017-12-28T22:29:09 < Steffanx> What's next upgrdman? https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:827266 ?
2017-12-28T22:29:43 < upgrdman> maybe one easier for beginners
2017-12-28T22:31:13 < Steffanx> So what tooling you use upgrdman?
2017-12-28T22:32:13 < upgrdman> makerbutt desktop
2017-12-28T22:32:27 < upgrdman> and blender for designing
2017-12-28T22:34:59 < upgrdman> iirc he doesnt have a 3d dicker
2017-12-28T22:35:05 < Steffanx> iirc he does.
2017-12-28T22:35:10 < upgrdman> o
2017-12-28T22:35:25 < upgrdman> o/
2017-12-28T22:35:52 < upgrdman> which dicker?
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2017-12-28T22:37:16 < Steffanx> upgrdman: some china creality cr-10
2017-12-28T22:38:22 < upgrdman> im sorta curious about getting a nice-ish 3d printer (not FDM, but UV polymer)
2017-12-28T22:38:37 < upgrdman> not sure how much $ i would be willing to waste though
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2017-12-28T22:40:57 < Steffanx> heh, im not sure how much you are willing to spend either
2017-12-28T22:42:09 < upgrdman> well its kinda dependant on quality
2017-12-28T22:42:37 < upgrdman> if i can print 300x300x300mm and get neat production quality, i'd consider spending $10k. but ya, that's not likely.
2017-12-28T22:42:45 < upgrdman> s/neat/near
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2017-12-28T22:47:59 < Steffanx> with enough sanding and spray painting you can get even pla to look "production" quality.
2017-12-28T22:48:10 < upgrdman> Steffanx, naiomi wu did a factory tour at creality. google for lulz, looks like a bunch of high school kids struggling their way through a product.
2017-12-28T22:48:20 < upgrdman> s/google/good
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2017-12-28T22:50:00 < Steffanx> This video is unavailable. <= that .. upgrdman
2017-12-28T22:50:12 < upgrdman> lol really?
2017-12-28T22:50:38 < Steffanx> y u no link?
2017-12-28T22:51:08 < upgrdman> https://archive.org/details/youtube-gPKpHBZ5yqY
2017-12-28T22:51:47 < upgrdman> i thiink thats it
2017-12-28T22:51:55 < upgrdman> cant watch it being at work and all
2017-12-28T22:53:00 < Steffanx> i cant stand/watch such video.
2017-12-28T22:53:17 < Steffanx> 1) it's in chinese 2) .. that naomi -_-
2017-12-28T22:53:30 < upgrdman> :)
2017-12-28T22:53:42 < upgrdman> it subtitled in engrish
2017-12-28T22:53:49 < upgrdman> at least it was when it was on youtube
2017-12-28T22:55:30 < Steffanx> anyway, it works for me upgrdman.
2017-12-28T22:55:40 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-28T23:00:52 < Steffanx> You can always use shapeways etc. when you want some other/better quality upgrdman
2017-12-28T23:01:03 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-28T23:01:11 < upgrdman> but im impatient as fuck
2017-12-28T23:01:44 < Steffanx> then i wonder why you have a 3d printer
2017-12-28T23:01:54 < upgrdman> because it was free
2017-12-28T23:01:56 < Steffanx> something decent sized takes ages to print
2017-12-28T23:02:13 < upgrdman> ya but overnight is much better than 3 - 10 days
2017-12-28T23:02:19 < Steffanx> Especially when you are as demanding and experienced as you ;)
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2017-12-28T23:06:18 < Steffanx> Oh free. Have more people with spare 3d printers?
2017-12-28T23:06:20 < Steffanx> mr upgrdman
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2017-12-28T23:06:51 < Steffanx> BrainDamage/ BrainDam3 better call your isp. Tell them to fix their stuff
2017-12-28T23:06:52 < upgrdman> Steffanx, afraid not
2017-12-28T23:08:39 < BrainDamage> nah, it's my fault
2017-12-28T23:08:53 < BrainDamage> i need to fix my phone's vpn so i can use my bouncer
2017-12-28T23:09:19 < BrainDamage> otherwise everytime the cell connection gets reset i get a new ip
2017-12-28T23:10:01 < upgrdman> is PLA one of the plastics that can be smoothes with aceton vapors?
2017-12-28T23:10:06 < upgrdman> or is the ABS only?
2017-12-28T23:10:16 < upgrdman> acetone*
2017-12-28T23:10:25 < BrainDamage> yes you can
2017-12-28T23:10:38 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-28T23:11:09 < BrainDamage> then again, I'm piss drunk atm
2017-12-28T23:11:30 < BrainDamage> generally my memory works ok while drunk, just not the logic
2017-12-28T23:11:50 < Rickta59> PLA can't be smoothed with acetone
2017-12-28T23:12:16 < BrainDamage> it does affect it, just not to the same extent as ABS
2017-12-28T23:12:26 < BrainDamage> you need a longer exposure time
2017-12-28T23:12:38 < BrainDamage> or higher concentrations
2017-12-28T23:13:29 < Rickta59> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZUfq0yrtv4
2017-12-28T23:16:16 < Rickta59> @ about 5:19 he give his conclusion
2017-12-28T23:17:38 < BrainDamage> ok, so i guess the viscosity of acetone solved pla is not sufficient to get smoothing
2017-12-28T23:17:51 < BrainDamage> sorry for the mislead then
2017-12-28T23:17:52 < Ultrasauce> ive tried it a few times and had widly varying results depending on which filament i used
2017-12-28T23:17:58 < Ultrasauce> so additives make the difference
2017-12-28T23:18:56 < BrainDamage> did you ever managed to print that buttplug?
2017-12-28T23:19:20 < Steffanx> "that" ..
2017-12-28T23:19:26 < Ultrasauce> yours is in the mail
2017-12-28T23:19:39 < Ultrasauce> mine is in me :)
2017-12-28T23:20:02 < upgrdman> did you make it serrated so it can only be inserted?
2017-12-28T23:20:05 < Steffanx> Do you test drive all the products you make?
2017-12-28T23:20:59 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: actually i know Ultrasauce irl since quite a long time
2017-12-28T23:21:43 < Steffanx> You've claimed that before, BrainDamage. You even know his dad.
2017-12-28T23:21:59 < Ultrasauce> it's a note of pride :')
2017-12-28T23:22:08 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: also, it's part of any artisan pride to test his own products
2017-12-28T23:22:39 < BrainDamage> I've seen his duck, I'm pretty proud of that
2017-12-28T23:22:50 < Ultrasauce> she died :(
2017-12-28T23:22:56 < BrainDamage> oh shit, when
2017-12-28T23:23:01 < Ultrasauce> couple months ago
2017-12-28T23:24:05 < BrainDamage> goddamn, that's such a loss, i hope you manage to make a proper funeral
2017-12-28T23:24:50 < Steffanx> and you didnt even come over for the funeral.. so far goes your loyalty BrainDamage.
2017-12-28T23:25:13 < BrainDamage> i didn't even know the duck was dead!
2017-12-28T23:25:43 < Steffanx> Better get undrunk BrainDamage. The real BrainDamage is a bit sharper at times like this.
2017-12-28T23:26:18 < BrainDamage> I'm having a shitty period and the alcohol makes for a good distraction
2017-12-28T23:26:52 < BrainDamage> it's a good tradeoff between temporarily social skills and analythical power
2017-12-28T23:27:10 < Steffanx> aha.
2017-12-28T23:28:06 < Steffanx> Better get better mr BrainDamage.
2017-12-28T23:29:03 < karlp> hrm, how to get rid of designator silk in kicad? switching to a "CMTs.User" layer and turnbing that layer off didn't help
2017-12-28T23:29:06 < BrainDamage> we have a saying here that poorly translated becomes 'when you're the souce of your own ilness, cry yourself'
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2017-12-28T23:31:28 < Steffanx> hah, that sounds as wonderful as this https://i.pinimg.com/originals/37/01/03/370103e1dd02db52643e7f585b61b488.jpg
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2017-12-28T23:51:38 < englishman> hello pros
2017-12-28T23:52:03 < englishman> just bought a bunch of $200 amazon laptops to run lunix
2017-12-28T23:52:32 < tpw_rules> the chromebooqs?
2017-12-28T23:52:41 < englishman> i wish
2017-12-28T23:52:43 < englishman> $200 not $2000
2017-12-28T23:53:04 < tpw_rules> what do you need so many craptops for
2017-12-28T23:53:29 < englishman> flashing intel edisons in parallel
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2017-12-28T23:53:45 < tpw_rules> why can't you do one laptop
2017-12-28T23:53:50 < tpw_rules> isn't the edison dead anyway
2017-12-28T23:53:55 < englishman> very
2017-12-28T23:53:59 < englishman> last buy was september
2017-12-28T23:54:12 < Steffanx> Why run lunix mr englishman ?
2017-12-28T23:54:15 < tpw_rules> so?
2017-12-28T23:54:19 < tpw_rules> is it gentoo
2017-12-28T23:54:22 < tpw_rules> that's the only good lennox
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2017-12-28T23:54:30 < englishman> Steffanx because i did not write the flashing tools
2017-12-28T23:54:56 < englishman> no it will be ubuntu because that's the one that installs fast and usually doesnt fuck up basic things
2017-12-28T23:55:47 < englishman> although they all come with windows 10 home it's a shame to wipe them
2017-12-28T23:56:06 < tpw_rules> ebay the fs image
2017-12-28T23:56:35 < englishman> eh, i bought some win10pro licenses for $8
2017-12-28T23:56:42 < englishman> home probably isnt worth much
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2017-12-29T00:06:27 < Steffanx> Sleep well mr superbia
2017-12-29T00:07:22 < Steffanx> Poor englishman, will you survive this quest?
2017-12-29T00:12:00 < karlp> weird, so you cna move the designator to a nenw layer, "cmts.user" but turning off display of that lyer doesn't work, works for all other layers.
2017-12-29T00:12:23 < karlp> you can make the designator "invisible" which then _can_ be turned on or off.
2017-12-29T00:12:27 < karlp> fuckinng mess
2017-12-29T00:14:33 < karlp> and some parts have designators on F.Fab, and othehrs on F.silk? wtf
2017-12-29T00:15:44 < BrainDamage>  https://imgur.com/gallery/D5f5i9W
2017-12-29T00:21:36 < karlp> wow.
2017-12-29T00:29:21 < karlp> that's cool as shit
2017-12-29T00:36:32 < upgrdman> i see that it takes an extra day for reddit to reach italy
2017-12-29T00:36:40 < upgrdman> ;)
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2017-12-29T02:10:34 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvEQJtnEgvg
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2017-12-29T03:40:49 < karlp> so, kicad doesn't let you save a set of rules for gerber genenration? you hhave to fill it out every time from scratch.
2017-12-29T03:47:27 < dongs> lol
2017-12-29T03:48:12 < karlp> all sorts of fun :)
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2017-12-29T04:02:41 < kikes> hello superpumps
2017-12-29T04:10:49 < kikes> ski holiday tommorow
2017-12-29T04:10:58 < kikes> maybe sleep for 4hours before that
2017-12-29T04:11:17 < kikes> I pumped my Audi and everything works
2017-12-29T04:11:50 < dongs> im banned from digikey again
2017-12-29T04:12:34 < kikes> *one red light at back doesn't work and another washer jet nozzle doesn't work but those do not count
2017-12-29T04:14:28 < kikes> and red lights are blinking in gauge block and display is blinking text "BREMSE!"
2017-12-29T04:15:10 < kikes> german word for brakes
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2017-12-29T04:22:29 < kikes> well it's only 1400km trip
2017-12-29T04:23:00 < kikes> time to diagnose shiet after it
2017-12-29T04:25:22 < kikes> brakes work perfectly went to friends brake dynamometer at 2AM and perfect readings and symmetry
2017-12-29T04:26:28 < kikes> ABS and ESP also fully functional
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2017-12-29T04:35:29 < kikes> packed some fluids too
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2017-12-29T04:39:04 < dongs> zyp, cable guy says it can be made.
2017-12-29T04:39:11 < dongs> lemme know if you wanna push button on 25 or wathever
2017-12-29T04:39:50 < kikes> what is cable gui doing?
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2017-12-29T05:01:50 < dongs> gross
2017-12-29T05:08:01 < kikes> oculus was mad impressive when I tried it
2017-12-29T05:21:20 < dongs> lolllllllllllll occulus
2017-12-29T05:21:24 < dongs> absoulte shit
2017-12-29T05:21:26 < dongs> vive 4 lyfe
2017-12-29T05:21:31 < dongs> occulus has no useful tracking
2017-12-29T05:21:35 < dongs> and hardware is garbage
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2017-12-29T06:02:42 < upgrdman> SF is full of weird people, but god damn, they even look weird:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsiYTBQpIJ8
2017-12-29T06:02:55 < upgrdman> skim through the video if you want. lots of weird fuckers
2017-12-29T06:03:38 < upgrdman> at least they seem nice
2017-12-29T06:03:49 < dongs> i'm pretty sure every one of them is a faggot
2017-12-29T06:04:34 < upgrdman> >1
2017-12-29T06:04:41 < upgrdman> oh nm, i misread you
2017-12-29T06:04:46 < upgrdman> ya
2017-12-29T06:04:48 < upgrdman> all
2017-12-29T06:05:08 < dongs> the first dude with a selfiecam looks like furan
2017-12-29T06:06:07 < upgrdman> ya he's the guy that made in iphone in shenzhen from parts. and the guy that added a headphone jack back into the iphone.
2017-12-29T06:06:20 < upgrdman> internet famous
2017-12-29T06:06:40 < dongs> oh that shitfuck
2017-12-29T06:08:32 < dongs> "kathy" is a dude for sure
2017-12-29T06:12:28 < dongs> too much weird hipster shit
2017-12-29T06:14:08 < dongs> the dude at 11:00 diddles kids
2017-12-29T06:15:52 < dongs> i think most "hackers" going to that palce would probably shit themselves in my office
2017-12-29T06:15:57 < upgrdman> lol
2017-12-29T06:16:00 < dongs> considering it actually has USEFUL things in it
2017-12-29T06:16:06 < dongs> and not retarded hipster garbage
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2017-12-29T07:20:16 < englishman> lol noisebridge
2017-12-29T07:20:37 < englishman> chick with blue hair is actually jacob appelbaum
2017-12-29T07:21:43 < englishman> no tools at all in any shot
2017-12-29T07:24:18 < dongs> Jacob Appelbaum is an American independent journalist, computer security researcher, artist, and hacker.
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2017-12-29T07:40:19 < MrMobius> thanks for keeping us updated on that R2COM
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2017-12-29T07:50:53 < dongs> ElfLib: libdwarf: Debug info NULL in func _dwarf_strtab_init (.debug_str, 0x0)
2017-12-29T07:50:54 < dongs> ElfLib: libdwarf: Unknown CIE augmentation in func _dwarf_frame_add_cie (armcc+, 0x0)
2017-12-29T07:50:58 < dongs> segger using opensores
2017-12-29T07:51:29 < dongs> ah its LGPL
2017-12-29T07:51:30 < dongs> rip
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2017-12-29T08:03:16 < stvn> good my friend
2017-12-29T08:03:20 < dongs> wghat the hell is SD_ADDR_MISALIGNED on SDIO
2017-12-29T08:03:35 < stvn> not today
2017-12-29T08:07:24 < dongs> man waht the fuck is microsoft doing
2017-12-29T08:07:27 < dongs> clean new install
2017-12-29T08:07:33 < dongs> open more than 10 or so explorer windows
2017-12-29T08:07:44 < dongs> trying to go into zip files just fuckign takes several seconds
2017-12-29T08:07:46 < dongs> for any operation
2017-12-29T08:07:58 < dongs> and in general any exploere folder operation is slow as fuck
2017-12-29T08:11:06 < englishman> 1709 sux
2017-12-29T08:11:17 < englishman> but they say it's ok, it's only a beta
2017-12-29T08:12:07 < dongs> it was a problem before 1709 as well
2017-12-29T08:12:09 < dongs> not as BAD tho
2017-12-29T08:12:11 < dongs> but god damn
2017-12-29T08:12:22 < dongs> how fucking hard is it to get BASIC SHIT working
2017-12-29T08:12:26 < dongs> like you know FILE MANAGING
2017-12-29T08:12:43 < dongs> my install is probably the most plain one of all too. ive got absolutely no custom faggot shit going on
2017-12-29T08:12:56 < dongs> default install, keil, altium, vs2015, vmware
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2017-12-29T09:57:04 < dongs> haha
2017-12-29T09:57:07 < dongs> nice troll, faggot
2017-12-29T10:27:50 < dongs> oh what the nigger
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2017-12-29T10:48:39 < Orson> Hey
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2017-12-29T11:19:19 < zyp> dongs, sounds good
2017-12-29T11:23:17 < dongs> ok!
2017-12-29T11:24:52 < zyp> my coworker (that's paying for this) is apparently taking his christmas vacation seriously and staying offline, but I'll just give the go ahead anyway
2017-12-29T11:29:49 < dongs> sure
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2017-12-29T12:05:56 < englishman> https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9064-the_ultimate_apollo_guidance_computer_talk
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2017-12-29T12:52:24 < englishman> this is absolutely nuts
2017-12-29T12:56:52 < dongs> the apolllo shit?
2017-12-29T13:04:11 < englishman> yeah
2017-12-29T13:04:38 < englishman> not just the system itself but the research done by these guys
2017-12-29T13:05:14 < englishman> rcs thrusters mapped to single bit gpios
2017-12-29T13:05:51 < englishman> thats a rather advanced stm32 peripheral
2017-12-29T13:27:28 < dongs> thats o6-level autism material for sure
2017-12-29T13:27:47 < dongs> so apparently altidumb did something with '2' hotkey while pt
2017-12-29T13:27:52 < dongs> it now jumps into track width
2017-12-29T13:27:55 < dongs> instead of dropping a via
2017-12-29T13:27:56 < dongs> half the time
2017-12-29T13:27:59 < dongs> rages the FUCK out of me
2017-12-29T13:28:04 < englishman> the whole tab-thing has changed
2017-12-29T13:28:07 < englishman> for the better imo
2017-12-29T13:28:07 < dongs> yes
2017-12-29T13:28:09 < dongs> uhh
2017-12-29T13:28:10 < dongs> no
2017-12-29T13:28:15 < dongs> for way worse
2017-12-29T13:28:19 < dongs> because before it was a modal dialog
2017-12-29T13:28:24 < dongs> that acutally made sense and took over input
2017-12-29T13:28:29 < dongs> now they're relyting on that bugggy fucking pause shit
2017-12-29T13:28:56 < dongs> sticking all that crap into a narrow tab window instead of a properly sized dialog is dumb too
2017-12-29T13:29:12 < englishman> dono havent seen bugs there yet, it keeps with ui trends
2017-12-29T13:29:20 < englishman> i hated those dialogs
2017-12-29T13:29:29 < englishman> cannot tab between fields properly
2017-12-29T13:29:45 < dongs> 'sif you can now
2017-12-29T13:30:04 < englishman> apollo 11 had no such features
2017-12-29T13:30:05 < dongs> fixing tab order in a dialog would actually be the right way to handle it
2017-12-29T13:30:23 < dongs> making it non-working shit in a sidebar with no way to even do hotkeys even if you wanted to = fail
2017-12-29T13:30:53 < englishman> did 2 change? did not drop vias yet i think
2017-12-29T13:31:00 < englishman> * is the same
2017-12-29T13:31:04 < dongs> dont know but its intermittent
2017-12-29T13:31:07 < englishman> the new layer stackup is cool tho
2017-12-29T13:31:31 < englishman> they finally admitted that rigidflex exists and is important
2017-12-29T13:31:37 < dongs> i also keep rightclicking to stop routing and it keeps trying to highlight some LOCKED object behind the board
2017-12-29T13:32:58 < englishman> i wonder how Alan Bean would have dealt with that
2017-12-29T13:34:06 < dongs> who
2017-12-29T13:38:06 < englishman> the only guy to smash a camera with a hammer while walking on an object that is not earth
2017-12-29T13:38:40 < dongs> so he's the original unboxer?
2017-12-29T13:48:54 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b93C8i7ooOk
2017-12-29T13:51:31 < dongs> FUCK YOU NOT CLICKING
2017-12-29T13:52:21 < Steffanx> No one will force you too click, not today.
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2017-12-29T13:55:08 < dongs> oh fuck
2017-12-29T13:55:12 < dongs> and if you tab over during pt
2017-12-29T13:55:14 < dongs> and type in new width
2017-12-29T13:55:21 < dongs> unless you move the fucking cursor afte that the new width wont take
2017-12-29T13:56:50 < Steffanx> Did altium skip the beta testing, as usual?
2017-12-29T13:57:17 < dongs> the only consolation is that this IS the beta test
2017-12-29T13:57:25 < dongs> and final will *hopefully* suck a lot less
2017-12-29T13:57:31 < dongs> but hte list of suckage is pretty big so far
2017-12-29T13:58:11 < dongs> i can repeat teh random selection of locked objects
2017-12-29T13:58:14 < dongs> i think thats probly the most annoying part
2017-12-29T13:58:18 < dongs> its liek click + drag = gets it selected
2017-12-29T13:58:20 < dongs> despite it being locked
2017-12-29T13:58:44 < dongs> no, its doubleclick
2017-12-29T13:58:55 < dongs> you know what else is double click?
2017-12-29T13:59:00 < dongs> ending the fucking routing
2017-12-29T13:59:04 < dongs> and guess waht it does?
2017-12-29T13:59:10 < dongs> selects the fucking locked part
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2017-12-29T13:59:21 < dongs> so when you click something next time, it fucking tries to move it
2017-12-29T13:59:23 < dongs> trashing everything
2017-12-29T14:31:02 < dongs> i fucking hope this double click to select locked shit is a pref
2017-12-29T14:31:03 < dongs> god fucking damn
2017-12-29T14:34:57 < dongs> < englishman> cannot tab between fields properly
2017-12-29T14:35:04 < dongs> just tried tabbing between fields in the new sidebar faggotry
2017-12-29T14:35:07 < dongs> doesnt work at ALL
2017-12-29T14:35:12 < dongs> at least in teh fucking dialogs i could remember the tab order
2017-12-29T14:35:15 < dongs> and be able to get to shit quickly
2017-12-29T14:35:18 < dongs> by tab/shift tab
2017-12-29T14:35:20 < dongs> now its all fucked
2017-12-29T14:35:23 < dongs> THANKS, OBAMA
2017-12-29T14:43:17 < Steffanx> is that you R2COMMIE too now?
2017-12-29T14:43:36 < dongs> no, i have VALID complaints
2017-12-29T14:43:44 < dongs> R2COMmie bitched about irrelevant shit
2017-12-29T14:45:29 < PaulFertser> You payed for it right? Why don't you call their professional support line and bitch there?
2017-12-29T14:46:12 < dongs> if only their support line was professional and not staffed by indians
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2017-12-29T18:05:01 < Steffanx> upgrdman: you should browse the sculpture section on thingiverse when you have time. Lots and lots of stuff that will interest you.
2017-12-29T18:05:15 < upgrdman> link plz
2017-12-29T18:06:01 < Steffanx> https://www.thingiverse.com/explore/newest/art/sculptures/page:1  first page includes one of the interesting things ( for you )
2017-12-29T18:06:13 < Steffanx> *2nd
2017-12-29T18:06:55 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-12-29T18:13:42 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykDec1Tj2sw
2017-12-29T18:15:47 < Laurenceb_> >thanks to all the Youtube Scientists for helping with research
2017-12-29T18:15:49 < Laurenceb_> my sides
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2017-12-29T18:19:36 < Laurenceb_> ywlts Bsc in youtube studies
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2017-12-29T18:44:10 < Laurenceb_> when ur tinder date shows up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auiYBtx-Vxw
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2017-12-29T20:39:52 < PaulFertser> The Apollo talk is really great. Plenty of interesting info, and nice non-distracting animations. Superb work.
2017-12-29T20:41:20 < upgrdman> link plz
2017-12-29T20:41:33 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9064-the_ultimate_apollo_guidance_computer_talk
2017-12-29T20:41:39 < upgrdman> thx
2017-12-29T20:42:01 < upgrdman> oh its ccc time of year!
2017-12-29T20:46:42 < BrainDam1> stm32 meeting at next ccc?
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2017-12-29T20:48:18 < kikes> heja sverige
2017-12-29T20:48:37 < kikes> we are in swede lapland now
2017-12-29T20:48:56 < kikes> much snow
2017-12-29T20:49:10 < BrainDam1> ok beakmir excluded
2017-12-29T20:52:17 < PaulFertser> You know how many hurdles one has to overcome to get to your cozy EU to visit CCC? https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-application-requirements/
2017-12-29T20:53:35 < kikes> going to sweden is easy
2017-12-29T20:53:37 < kikes> just drive
2017-12-29T20:53:53 < PaulFertser> If you're an EU citizen, yes.
2017-12-29T20:54:03 < kikes> suddenly traffic signs are weird
2017-12-29T20:54:12 < kikes> and too slow speed limits
2017-12-29T20:54:21 < kikes> like 70
2017-12-29T20:54:27 < PaulFertser> https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/who-needs-schengen-visa/
2017-12-29T20:56:32 < kikes> or is it that instead of 60kmh they drive 70
2017-12-29T20:56:51 < kikes> that would be progressive
2017-12-29T20:57:11 < Laurenceb_> people who self identify as male have to drive more slowly
2017-12-29T20:57:27 < Steffanx> Cant you get easily to Finland PaulFertser?
2017-12-29T20:57:35 < Steffanx> After that it's an easy ride.
2017-12-29T20:57:46 < aandrew> heh I thought Shengen Visa was some kind of weird EU credit card
2017-12-29T20:57:47 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: can't, read the links
2017-12-29T20:58:09 < Steffanx> was kinda tldr; PaulFertser ;)
2017-12-29T20:58:32 < Laurenceb_> Shengen sounds like somewhere in China
2017-12-29T20:58:56 < Steffanx> I hope shengen will apply to those brexit guys too. Fuck brits.
2017-12-29T20:58:59 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: well duh, it's kinda sad even smart EUers don't have a clue how offensive and annoying to the outsiders your visa system is. And BTW, you have to give the authorities all the 10 fingerprints when obtaining it.
2017-12-29T20:59:07 < Laurenceb_> top trawl
2017-12-29T20:59:15 < PaulFertser> The UK was never part of the Schengen zone.
2017-12-29T20:59:18 < Laurenceb_> >Implying we would want to visit europe
2017-12-29T20:59:20 < Steffanx> oh, i see indeed
2017-12-29T20:59:21 < Steffanx> didnt know that
2017-12-29T20:59:33 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: we wouldnt want you.
2017-12-29T20:59:34 < Steffanx> mainly you :P
2017-12-29T21:01:13 < PaulFertser> What would you folks say if the governments required you to give all your fingerprints to be stored in a shady EU database? Wouldn't it cause any public outcry? (I know Germany already requires some fingerprint data for business owners and such)
2017-12-29T21:01:26 < Steffanx> Offensive? How PaulFertser?
2017-12-29T21:01:31 < Laurenceb_> well it's already the case in US
2017-12-29T21:01:35 < Laurenceb_> muh freedomz
2017-12-29T21:02:10 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: EU treats me different and much harsher, so I'm feeling like I'm a second class human compared to you.
2017-12-29T21:03:03 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, we already have to give the print of 2 fingers for a passport. Luckily I dont have a passport.
2017-12-29T21:03:09 < kikes> PaulFertser, to get a schengen passport you need to give all 10 fingerprints too
2017-12-29T21:03:44 < PaulFertser> R2COMM: but those rules apply not only to the russians.
2017-12-29T21:04:10 < kikes> PaulFertser, is sweden your dream country?
2017-12-29T21:04:18 < PaulFertser> kikes: no, too cold for my liking
2017-12-29T21:04:39 < kikes> yes
2017-12-29T21:05:13 < PaulFertser> R2COm: and eh, it's funny you mention it, as I would expect your genetic profile to be similiar to the other russians.
2017-12-29T21:06:34 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: I dont get it. Why would to feel that way? I mean.. it's nothing new. Non-open borders etc.
2017-12-29T21:07:29 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the requirements are unreasonably harsh and unfair, that's why.
2017-12-29T21:08:03 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: too annoying to fulfill them as needed. I know that first-hand.
2017-12-29T21:08:33 < kikes> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nyAXHmJDyxGf9SyPWui5d2M_Zgndk3vX/view?usp=sharing it's really weird to sit on back seat
2017-12-29T21:09:05 < PaulFertser> R2COm: I'm not qualified enough to participate in an ethno-history discussion, sorry.
2017-12-29T21:09:43 < kikes> aren't you both ethnically russian?
2017-12-29T21:09:47 < PaulFertser> Yeah, I see no reason to care.
2017-12-29T21:10:06 < Steffanx> Damnit, can you for once not be a Bash-o-matic, R2COm?
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2017-12-29T21:11:01 < kikes> R2COm, you have ping timeouted latelly?
2017-12-29T21:11:09 < BrainDam1> PaulFertser: i can understand your distress, sorry, i merely suggested ccc due to physical proximity to many of us
2017-12-29T21:11:23 < BrainDam1> i had to give both index fingers fingerprints for italian passwport fwiw, but not whole hands
2017-12-29T21:11:23 < kikes> what is ccc?
2017-12-29T21:11:38 < kikes> BrainDam1, for finnish passport all 10
2017-12-29T21:11:44 < PaulFertser> BrainDam1: I just want you folks to know for sure what exactly are the requirements for the outsiders to visit you.
2017-12-29T21:11:52 < BrainDam1> it's a hacker infosec conference, one of the largest in the world
2017-12-29T21:12:11 < kikes> also every 5years need to be updated
2017-12-29T21:12:13 < BrainDam1> as  conference by itself it's ok, it's mostly and excuse to hang out
2017-12-29T21:12:22 < BrainDam1> and do dumb shit
2017-12-29T21:13:12 < kikes> PaulFertser, are you russian and if you are then how come R2COM isn't?
2017-12-29T21:13:18 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I'll be glad to see russia prosecuted for that crime.
2017-12-29T21:13:34 < BrainDam1> R2COM: i'll ask again, were you bullied too much when you were in high school?
2017-12-29T21:13:39 < kikes> R2COM clearly is russian
2017-12-29T21:13:52 < BrainDam1> you seem to be hell bent on doing random outbursts to feel better about yourself
2017-12-29T21:14:00 < PaulFertser> kikes: I do not remember R2COM's ethnicity but his is from the USSR originally.
2017-12-29T21:14:20 < BrainDam1> a seingle individual is not responsible for tthe behaviour of a whole state
2017-12-29T21:14:21 < kikes> PaulFertser, most likelly jew migrant
2017-12-29T21:14:50 < PaulFertser> R2COM: the MH-17 court hasn't been started yet but I'm waiting eagerly.
2017-12-29T21:15:25 < BrainDam1> i know that most of what russian state does it's wrong, but leasing out on random russian citizens won't change shit
2017-12-29T21:15:26 < kikes> I need to take a wheel again
2017-12-29T21:15:30 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: I read through the page a bit. It doesnt seem TOO harse imho. Assuming you will be a tourist not visiting friends you just have to proof you can fund the trip and show them where you will be.. right?
2017-12-29T21:15:41 < Ultrasauce> R2COM is of a pure ancestry carefully cultivated in centuries of inbreeding
2017-12-29T21:16:02 < BrainDam1> every citizen weights as 1/few milliond
2017-12-29T21:16:10 < BrainDam1> -d
2017-12-29T21:16:35 < kikes> me go>
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2017-12-29T21:16:59 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, you have to bring both to and return airplane tickets + you have to really prove your accomodation (like a _fax_ from a hotel that confirms you've already payed for the place) etc. So no freedom to change your trip, no way to stay at couchsurfers' or regular campings etc.
2017-12-29T21:18:24 < PaulFertser> But the Schengen visa rules were already that way long before the war in Ukraine and Crimea annexation.
2017-12-29T21:18:37 < PaulFertser> (everything but fingerprints which is a newer addition)
2017-12-29T21:19:04 < Ultrasauce> I had to give my fingerprints to US immigration just for a frickin' layover
2017-12-29T21:19:24 < PaulFertser> US pioneered fingeprinting
2017-12-29T21:19:25 < Steffanx> Aren't you frozen to death yet btw Ultrasauce?
2017-12-29T21:19:29 < Ultrasauce> yes and yes
2017-12-29T21:19:37 < aandrew> it's fucking cold here too
2017-12-29T21:19:40 < Steffanx> !wz quebec
2017-12-29T21:19:41 < englishbot> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Snow. Temp is -14°C but feels like -19°C. North wind: 7 kph. Humidity: 67%.
2017-12-29T21:19:43 < aandrew> about -13C during the day
2017-12-29T21:19:49 < Steffanx> oh, that's not THAT bad.
2017-12-29T21:19:50 < Ultrasauce> !wz yyg
2017-12-29T21:19:50 < englishbot> [YYG, Canada] Light Snow. Temp is -8°C but feels like -12°C. West wind: 7 kph. Humidity: 73%.
2017-12-29T21:19:53 < Ultrasauce> it's better here today
2017-12-29T21:20:01 < englishbot> [Phoenix, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 20.7°C. SSW wind: 6.4 kph.
2017-12-29T21:20:08 < Steffanx> I heard about temperatures of -35C on the news.
2017-12-29T21:20:19 < Ultrasauce> yes it's nasty further west
2017-12-29T21:20:22 < zyp> !wz andenes
2017-12-29T21:20:23 < englishbot> [Andenes, Norway] Light Snow. Temp is -1°C but feels like -8°C. East wind: 37 kph. Humidity: 93%.
2017-12-29T21:20:31 < aandrew> !wz ykf
2017-12-29T21:20:31 < Steffanx> !wz dutchland
2017-12-29T21:20:31 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2017-12-29T21:20:31 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2017-12-29T21:20:54 < englishbot> [Kongoussi, Burkina Faso] Clear. Temp is 28°C. North wind: 7 kph.
2017-12-29T21:21:02 < Steffanx> home town?
2017-12-29T21:21:56 < englishbot> [Chadan, Russia] Overcast. Temp is -16°C. East wind: 4 kph. Humidity: 79%.
2017-12-29T21:22:09 < Ultrasauce> very good matching
2017-12-29T21:22:11 < PaulFertser> R2COM: btw, have you ever been to Israel? What do you think about it?
2017-12-29T21:22:25 < Ultrasauce> oh boy let's double down on this retarded discussion yes
2017-12-29T21:22:40 < zyp> haha
2017-12-29T21:23:37 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce, we aren't there yet. We yet have to discuss prostitutes and strip clubs.
2017-12-29T21:25:39 < jadew>  - What is it like, the planet we are approaching? - Nothing but ice and snow. - Scan it with our computer waves, the enemy's weapons may be hidden beneeth the surface.
2017-12-29T21:26:26 < Steffanx> jadew, still sick? Or is this really you talking?
2017-12-29T21:26:42 < jadew> Steffanx, dialogue from a movie I'm watching
2017-12-29T21:26:58 < Steffanx> and what movie is that?
2017-12-29T21:27:05 < englishman> PaulFertser: yes that talk was absolutely astounding
2017-12-29T21:27:05 < jadew> starcrash
2017-12-29T21:27:19 < Steffanx> sounds terrible
2017-12-29T21:27:27 < jadew> it is
2017-12-29T21:27:28 < Steffanx> lol, wont watch for sure then
2017-12-29T21:27:32 < englishman> it would make an amazing series of lectures
2017-12-29T21:28:04 < jadew> what talk?
2017-12-29T21:28:16 < jadew> if it's better than this movie, I may consider watching it
2017-12-29T21:28:21 < Steffanx> im sure it is
2017-12-29T21:28:25 < Steffanx> > 3.8 on imdb
2017-12-29T21:28:32 < Steffanx> <PaulFertser> upgrdman: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9064-the_ultimate_apollo_guidance_computer_talk
2017-12-29T21:28:35 < Steffanx> jadew: ^
2017-12-29T21:28:38 < jadew> thanks
2017-12-29T21:28:52 < englishman> yeah watch it
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2017-12-29T21:46:58 < tpw_rules> i'm sad they didn't throw in some bits at the end about the source code
2017-12-29T21:47:49 < PaulFertser> Too tight on time
2017-12-29T21:48:04 < PaulFertser> What were the noteworthy bits?
2017-12-29T21:48:49 < tpw_rules> there's a lot of silliness in there
2017-12-29T21:49:34 < tpw_rules> https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/blob/master/Luminary099/LUNAR_LANDING_GUIDANCE_EQUATIONS.agc#L179
2017-12-29T21:50:04 < tpw_rules> like a sentence at the end "and it wasn't far off from today's style"
2017-12-29T21:50:22 < tpw_rules> the main ignition routines are in BURN_BABY_BURN
2017-12-29T21:51:46 < tpw_rules> https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/blob/master/Luminary099/THE_LUNAR_LANDING.agc#L245
2017-12-29T21:52:20 < tpw_rules> yea that's the code that flew the astronauts to the moon
2017-12-29T21:52:25 < tpw_rules> and it's full of shitposting
2017-12-29T21:53:27 < tpw_rules> https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/blob/master/Luminary099/THE_LUNAR_LANDING.agc#L317
2017-12-29T21:54:02 < tpw_rules> ?
2017-12-29T21:55:41 < upgrdman> branjb, with your makerbutt pooplicator, do you use 3rd part filament? does it JustWork(tm) or is that a bitch to tweak for?
2017-12-29T21:56:00 < tpw_rules> i wonder how much easier it all would have been with 2s complement
2017-12-29T22:03:18 < ohsix> bloop
2017-12-29T22:03:37 < ohsix> being shot at is an excellent story hook
2017-12-29T22:05:29 < Laurenceb_> # INITIALIZE WHICH FOR BURNBABY
2017-12-29T22:05:33 < Laurenceb_> lul these comments
2017-12-29T22:06:25 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: on my china printer I was using even random grass trimmer line with reasonable results
2017-12-29T22:06:37 < upgrdman> lol nice
2017-12-29T22:06:59 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, what printer(s) do you have?
2017-12-29T22:07:06 < upgrdman> and do you like it/them
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2017-12-29T22:08:03 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: anet a8. I suggest doing http://www.desiquintans.com/flowrate with new filament. And do some test prints with different temperature to see how to get better midlayer adhesion. That should be about it to start using another filament.
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2017-12-29T22:08:55 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: afaict it works nicely for the price, no major disadvantages for this class of machines.
2017-12-29T22:09:18 < upgrdman> k thx
2017-12-29T22:10:15 < upgrdman> i've never had bed adhesion problems when using blue tape on a room temperature bed. why are people using heated beds? im doing PLA... is that an ABS problem?
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2017-12-29T22:10:40 < PaulFertser> ABS without heated bed would be really problematic, yes.
2017-12-29T22:10:56 < upgrdman> ah ok
2017-12-29T22:11:15 < PaulFertser> People here were all suggesting PETG instead of ABS though.
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2017-12-29T22:13:37 < englishman> petg is neat
2017-12-29T22:14:05 < englishman> havent used it much, has benefits of both pla and abs
2017-12-29T22:14:06 < PaulFertser> And PEI film for the bed.
2017-12-29T22:14:17 < englishman> yes definitely pei bed
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2017-12-29T22:14:31 < PaulFertser> But I'm personally happy enough with simple glass mirror on a heated bed + cheapest hairspray.
2017-12-29T22:14:59 < englishman> that never worked for me, always made a huge mess
2017-12-29T22:15:05 < englishman> but maybe it was my hairspray
2017-12-29T22:15:37 < Laurenceb_> I just pay for SLS
2017-12-29T22:15:39 < PaulFertser> englishman: with enough temperature? I set 110C for ABS.
2017-12-29T22:15:54 < Laurenceb_> I mean its down to about UKP20/litre on top end machines
2017-12-29T22:16:07 < Laurenceb_> so who needs shitty filament trash
2017-12-29T22:16:20 < englishman> PaulFertser: yes 110bed
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2017-12-29T22:26:46 < upgrdman> pei == kapton?
2017-12-29T22:29:01 < Steffanx> nein, upgrdman
2017-12-29T22:30:10 < ohsix> the malyan m200/monoprice mini select is p. good for 200$
2017-12-29T22:30:46 < ohsix> abs sucks balls don't even bother until much later
2017-12-29T22:31:02 < ohsix> or you have to pay up front for a printer with an enclosure, or plan to build one and a bunch of other dumb shit
2017-12-29T22:31:49 < ohsix> i was operating someone elses printer for a long time and they were like 'abs is best', they owned it, but didn't know shit about 3d printing; wouldn't buy enclosures & supplies, wouldn't listen about what was happening with failing prints
2017-12-29T22:32:05 < ohsix> damage the printer removing parts when they're finished, etc
2017-12-29T22:38:59 < upgrdman> heh
2017-12-29T22:39:16 < upgrdman> ya work is paying for filament, so i guess i'll keep using PLA
2017-12-29T22:39:50 < upgrdman> and the little things i make for me i'll just buy a spool of PLA and who cares about price, its not like im going into production with a 3d dicker
2017-12-29T22:40:09 < ohsix> yea don't do that either haha
2017-12-29T22:40:20 < Rickta59> hips sort of feels like abs but with less curling
2017-12-29T22:40:28 < ohsix> i've been investgating/doing trial 'production' jobs on one of the things we've got
2017-12-29T22:40:35 < upgrdman> ohsix, pla is works really well for me so far. on blue tape on room temp bed.
2017-12-29T22:40:46 < upgrdman> oh you meant production, ya, of course
2017-12-29T22:40:50 < ohsix> you need to be able to scale horizontally
2017-12-29T22:40:59 < englishman> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/12/28/bitcoin-exchange-chief-executive-kidnapped-leaves-work/
2017-12-29T22:41:32 < ohsix> or only accept really small jobs that can fit like 60 parts on the build plate, and still have like 5 printers for quick turnaround on ~500 parts
2017-12-29T22:42:56 < ohsix> the pseudo-production thing i did was for a film hero piece thing, had to break it into 4 pieces
2017-12-29T22:43:12 < ohsix> it is not a small printer either, but the part is sillllly; mocking up in wood or something would be the way to go
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2017-12-29T23:10:12 < ohsix> the print beds on the lulzbot are kind of defective
2017-12-29T23:10:30 < ohsix> in principle, they've discovered and solved all the problems, practically; shit sucks and fails pretty quick
2017-12-29T23:10:40 < upgrdman> how so
2017-12-29T23:11:04 < ohsix> they didn't dry the pei they use on the surface for a long time, and it has different moisture content
2017-12-29T23:11:26 < ohsix> at abs temperatures it'll easily drive the moisture out on the adhesive side and be trapped, causing bubbles
2017-12-29T23:11:53 < ohsix> they'll still sell you the sheet :>
2017-12-29T23:11:55 < upgrdman> bubbles between bed and printed object?
2017-12-29T23:12:01 < ohsix> between bed and pei
2017-12-29T23:12:24 < upgrdman> big bubbles?
2017-12-29T23:12:25 < ohsix> the adhesives they use aren't very robust over 50c (guess, given common test temperature) too
2017-12-29T23:12:27 < ohsix> yea
2017-12-29T23:12:46 < ohsix> the small ones aren't inconsequential either
2017-12-29T23:12:51 < upgrdman> heh, fail right there. hot stuff without hot-stuff-rated adhesives
2017-12-29T23:13:19 < ohsix> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50e25be0e4b0a05702b2fcb2/t/55b3e907e4b06441e2c71753/1437853969936/
2017-12-29T23:13:35 < upgrdman> wtf, wow
2017-12-29T23:13:38 < ohsix> it probably is rated fine, i suspect very few people practically print abs
2017-12-29T23:13:46 < ohsix> abs is such shit i don' teven get it as a novelty
2017-12-29T23:14:01 < upgrdman> tbh, i wonder if that is a problem with installation
2017-12-29T23:14:28 < Rickta59> how old is that printer ohsix ?
2017-12-29T23:14:31 < upgrdman> like if using a liquid between and then squeegy'ing it out would be better. like when apply stickers to shit
2017-12-29T23:14:33 < ohsix> it's a combinatino of a lot of problems, but lulzbot has been offering cross shipping replacements due to 'moisture'
2017-12-29T23:15:05 < ohsix> Rickta59: dunno but it has had the plate swap once due to this; that wasn't a picture of ours, ours is a little less bad
2017-12-29T23:15:07 < upgrdman> thats a pei sheet glued to a pcb heated bed, right?
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2017-12-29T23:15:28 < ohsix> pei on glass on heater
2017-12-29T23:16:01 < upgrdman> ya this sounds like something the general public would fuck up. should really be a factory ass'd assembly.
2017-12-29T23:16:09 < ohsix> it is easy to cause bubbles in the plate too, even when it isn't completely attributable to outgassing
2017-12-29T23:16:15 < Rickta59> https://www.flickr.com/photos/50162569@N06/24886346575/ that is mine after 2 years?
2017-12-29T23:16:19 < ohsix> removing parts at the wrong temperature fucks shit up
2017-12-29T23:16:38 < ohsix> Rickta59: nice
2017-12-29T23:16:54 < Rickta59> https://www.flickr.com/photos/50162569@N06/16534911046/ that is what it looked like brand new
2017-12-29T23:17:01 < upgrdman> jesus fuck, i guess im the last ##stm32faggot to get a 3d printer.
2017-12-29T23:17:12 < ohsix> Rickta59: what lattitude? susceptibility to this is affected by relative humidity & where they were made
2017-12-29T23:17:17 < Rickta59> nc
2017-12-29T23:17:25 < Rickta59> i think 37?
2017-12-29T23:17:35 < ohsix> nice
2017-12-29T23:17:38 < ohsix> it's super dry here, oregon
2017-12-29T23:17:47 < ohsix> what layer height are you printing with & wat nozzle?
2017-12-29T23:17:58 < ohsix> that looks like a familiar noise
2017-12-29T23:18:12 < Rickta59> me?
2017-12-29T23:18:15 < ohsix> ya
2017-12-29T23:18:41 < Rickta59> typically I print at .33
2017-12-29T23:18:43 < ohsix> too small layer height gets you lots of z layer wobble poop with 3mm filament and .5 nozzle
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2017-12-29T23:18:48 < ohsix> ah k
2017-12-29T23:19:06 < ohsix> not wobble, but width variation from the extruder mechanism
2017-12-29T23:19:48 < ohsix> i had to contend with the dual extruder upgrade on the taz 5 as the first 3d printer i'd ever used, it was hell
2017-12-29T23:19:57 < Rickta59> this is a mini btw
2017-12-29T23:20:05 < Rickta59> maybe that is the difference
2017-12-29T23:20:07 < ohsix> few months ago i rebuilt the original head which they totally fucked, and the machine is faster/nice
2017-12-29T23:20:50 < ohsix> nah it wouldn't matter to what i was thinking, was basically going to say don't use a layer height that small if you'd used .1mm or something; but that wasn't it :p
2017-12-29T23:20:55 < Rickta59> https://www.flickr.com/photos/50162569@N06/16779417226/ that shows a finer layer height
2017-12-29T23:21:17 < ohsix> are you using cura 15?
2017-12-29T23:21:18 < Rickta59> actually worked with some m8 nuts
2017-12-29T23:21:27 < ohsix> or 12, whichever the 'lulzbot edition' is
2017-12-29T23:21:40 < ohsix> the z seam on the last one looks like 'old cura version'
2017-12-29T23:21:43 < Rickta59> i bounce between different slicers
2017-12-29T23:22:11 < ohsix> cura 3 has a bunch of stuff & works pretty good when you just add the lulzbot as a generic printer
2017-12-29T23:22:52 < ohsix> and some plugin shit, so you can add things like per layer gcode withotu making an absolute mess (to trigger camera or do other stuff like update the display)
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2017-12-29T23:23:35 < Rickta59> i haven't messed with cura 3
2017-12-29T23:23:59 < ohsix> what are you waiting for ;]
2017-12-29T23:24:13 < Rickta59> when stuff works why break it ;)
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2017-12-29T23:25:08 < ohsix> there's a bunch of experimental and special mdoes that are cool too
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2017-12-29T23:25:50 < ohsix> i think they have tree support, like you used to have to use meshmixer for; it's mostly for sla printing but it can be really handy with fdm
2017-12-29T23:26:20 < ohsix> since you can put the z strength on any plane, or support tall overhangs without a huge ass tower (think noses and ears on head models)
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2017-12-29T23:26:57 < ohsix> you don't need to setup cura 3 to check some of the junk out; just install it and go into the options, check the box that enables all of the configuration, look at experimental, the infill options, stuff
2017-12-29T23:27:13 < ohsix> it makes better tool paths but i didn't bother looking very closely into specifics when i noticed
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2017-12-29T23:58:22 < laurence_> do ubuntu packages go to some sort of "staging area" as they are installed?
2017-12-29T23:58:33 < laurence_> like is there somewhere where the .deb files will be archived?
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2017-12-30T00:00:22 < ohsix> archived?
2017-12-30T00:00:26 < ohsix> they do
2017-12-30T00:00:33 < laurence_> but where?
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2017-12-30T00:02:56 < ohsix> staged before release or after?
2017-12-30T00:03:12 < ohsix> the urls to the archives are in apt.sources.d or whatever in /etc, just open it
2017-12-30T00:03:31 < ohsix> the repos with pre-release stuff have different names and i think sid is the unstable one
2017-12-30T00:04:01 < ohsix> if it were fedora you'd be doing the same thing, looking at the repo url, going to the arch/unstable version; and for older packages going through older releases / mirrors
2017-12-30T00:05:03 < ohsix> don't have a debian nearby
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2017-12-30T00:13:51 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, /var/cache/apt/archives
2017-12-30T00:13:59 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, from https://askubuntu.com/questions/442483/where-are-deb-files-located
2017-12-30T00:14:06 < Laurenceb_> ah ok thanks
2017-12-30T00:14:41 < upgrdman> np
2017-12-30T00:16:19 < Steffanx> Love it when people google for an irc question
2017-12-30T00:16:43 < Steffanx> Shows how much love there is in ##stm32
2017-12-30T00:18:33 < PaulFertser> Do people here help each other in cases like that because they're curious or because they like humans? I have some doubts here.
2017-12-30T00:19:23 < upgrdman> i ask dumb q's a lot, so when im in a good mood i try to be helpful.
2017-12-30T00:20:36 < upgrdman> i must admit tho, i'd love it if my irc client could    select text > right-click > google it      like chrome can do
2017-12-30T00:21:27 < upgrdman> heh. 3d printing a bevel gear. makes neat "music" as it draws the /\/\/\/\/\ pattern
2017-12-30T00:27:09 < Steffanx> Fake internet points PaulFertser
2017-12-30T00:27:25 < upgrdman> is that like ##stm32gould
2017-12-30T00:28:23 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: we do not have a bot here that counts ++/-- karma, that would probably be fun
2017-12-30T00:28:52 < Steffanx> Wouldnt it go -infiniti very fast?
2017-12-30T00:29:05 < upgrdman> increment on each "thanks" and decrement on each "faggot" "nigger" etc.?
2017-12-30T00:29:31 < Steffanx> Back in the days we had the blaxter ratio
2017-12-30T00:32:23 < PaulFertser> Thank you for helping me fight that faggot lunix shit, bro nigger.
2017-12-30T00:34:57 < Steffanx> Does such bot exist PaulFertser ?
2017-12-30T00:36:59 < upgrdman> i would be kinda interesting to see a probably distribution of words like "faggot" per day in ##stm32. might be fun to grep the logs.
2017-12-30T00:37:06 < upgrdman> probability*
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2017-12-30T00:37:39 < upgrdman> maybe with overlaid histograms for the top offenders, etc.
2017-12-30T00:39:56 < Steffanx> http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/other/cspy/stm32.html funny to see the word thatconnects us all
2017-12-30T00:41:32 < PaulFertser> And regarding he -infinity, we could probably adopt surreal numbers for the purpose https://math.stackexchange.com/a/2345809
2017-12-30T00:44:52 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: e.g. https://github.com/vgmoose/bamboo
2017-12-30T00:48:53 < Steffanx> But that forces us to do the ++/--. We need some AI for that
2017-12-30T00:49:39 < upgrdman> good job russia
2017-12-30T00:49:41 < upgrdman> "On Wednesday, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told the Rossiya 24 state TV channel that a human error was responsible for the screw-up, according to Reuters. While the Meteor-M launched last month from the Vostochny cosmodrome in the Far East, it was reportedly programmed with take-off coordinates for the Baikonur cosmodrome, which is located in southern Kazakhstan. "The rocket was really programmed as if it was taking off from
2017-12-30T00:49:41 < upgrdman> Baikonur," Rogozin said. "
2017-12-30T00:50:07 < upgrdman> satellites go boom
2017-12-30T00:52:12 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: was already discussed before, probably rogozin is his usual dumb arsehole in repeating some misunderstood nonsense.
2017-12-30T00:52:59 < Steffanx> Reminds me of the metric/imperial conversion mentioned in the ccc talk. Everyone starts laughing. This is how serious we take you guys nowadays upgrdman :P
2017-12-30T00:54:11 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/meteor-m2-1.html read from "navigational error doomed"
2017-12-30T00:56:36 < PaulFertser> Basically, the upper stage (Fregat) was calculating the direction it has to turn on the start table, and the rocket was turning another direction which led "fregat" to believe it must do a 360 degrees turn after it was released.
2017-12-30T00:58:40 < PaulFertser> On Baikonur the rocket turning direction was always the same as what Fregat expected.
2017-12-30T01:02:53 < upgrdman> Steffanx, right. and how many eurofags people have landed on the room? oh right, ya. none. ;)
2017-12-30T01:03:01 < upgrdman> s/room/moon
2017-12-30T01:04:07 < PaulFertser> Imperial system makes zero sense for just about any practical purpose. Is there any single advantage?
2017-12-30T01:04:17 < upgrdman> on argument there.
2017-12-30T01:04:19 < upgrdman> no*
2017-12-30T01:04:27 < upgrdman> i use metric for most stuff myself
2017-12-30T01:04:41 < upgrdman> it was kinda a pain in the ass to find metric drill bits tho. had to order online.
2017-12-30T01:04:51 < upgrdman> base10 FTW
2017-12-30T01:04:58 < upgrdman> fractions for faggots
2017-12-30T01:05:49 < upgrdman> but to answer your q, imperial can be nice if you want to mentally divide by 3 or 4. you still get a nice clean number. e.g. a third of a foot is 4"
2017-12-30T01:06:08 < upgrdman> but its not a big enough deal to justify using the imperial system.
2017-12-30T01:06:08 < PaulFertser> Well, imagine you're working on a lathe or other tool. Why would you want fractions there?
2017-12-30T01:06:16 < upgrdman> agreed
2017-12-30T01:06:25 < Ultrasauce> just use metric but with base 60 numbers
2017-12-30T01:06:42 < upgrdman> lol
2017-12-30T01:06:50 < Ultrasauce> 15 millidegreeters
2017-12-30T01:08:07 < PaulFertser> btw, 100 microweeks is pretty close to 1 minute
2017-12-30T01:09:22 < upgrdman> so anyone used an FDM printer *and* an SLS printer? is consumer-level-SLS worth it?
2017-12-30T01:09:22 < PaulFertser> "Hold on, I'll be right back in 500 microweeks"
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2017-12-30T01:09:58 < upgrdman> i have a 4 day weekend and im tempted to buy my own 3d dicker, maybe something nicer than the one i have at work
2017-12-30T01:10:36 < zyp> upgrdman, which consumer-level-SLS printers are you considering?
2017-12-30T01:10:48 < vampi-the-frog> your job involves getting dicked in 3D?
2017-12-30T01:10:51 < upgrdman> or maybe a better question: a QUIET 3d printer that wont wake the dead while i try to sleep
2017-12-30T01:11:08 < Ultrasauce> build an enclosure
2017-12-30T01:11:27 < upgrdman> vampi-the-frog, my job involved getting a free 3d printer for some random prototyping: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/replicator.jpg
2017-12-30T01:11:50 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, maybe i could... 3d print... one /sunglasses.jpg
2017-12-30T01:12:07 < PaulFertser> Adding (3dprinted) dampers between my printer and a table made it a lot quieter.
2017-12-30T01:12:19 < Ultrasauce> no they're fundamentally incapable of printing anything useful
2017-12-30T01:12:22 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-12-30T01:13:21 < vampi-the-frog> we are getting a 3D printer and a laser cutter as well
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2017-12-30T01:13:30 < vampi-the-frog> for toy manufacturing or prototyping
2017-12-30T01:13:39 < vampi-the-frog> we got some european funding
2017-12-30T01:13:51 < vampi-the-frog> and I think it's a sintering printer
2017-12-30T01:14:04 < upgrdman> zyp, not sure which one. but prolly one that fry's carries, since i can drive there and pick one up. https://www.frys.com/category/Outpost/Maker+Products/3D+Printers/
2017-12-30T01:15:15 < zyp> uh, are there any SLS options there?
2017-12-30T01:15:40 < zyp> I mean, the only small SLS printer I even know about is the formlabs one
2017-12-30T01:15:56 < Ultrasauce> uh you mean sla right...sls is a bit more upscale
2017-12-30T01:16:17 < upgrdman> hmm im 90% sure i saw a resin filled demo printer at frys
2017-12-30T01:16:23 < upgrdman> but ya dont see any sls online
2017-12-30T01:16:39 < zyp> resin is SLA, SLS is powder
2017-12-30T01:16:52 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, no, sls. uv resin. im willing to spend 4 figures if the quality is worth it. but it seems like not.
2017-12-30T01:16:58 < upgrdman> oh shit.
2017-12-30T01:17:00 < upgrdman> sla then
2017-12-30T01:17:25 < zyp> one of my friends got a wanhao d7
2017-12-30T01:17:35 < Ultrasauce> s is sintering, a is....aphy
2017-12-30T01:20:52 < Ultrasauce> i like how DLP is just a buzzword now and applied to lcd implementations
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2017-12-30T01:42:32 < upgrdman> anyone know if the MakerBot Replicator+ is worth the $1700 price?
2017-12-30T01:42:47 < upgrdman> seems like the only benefit it has over most others is a very print print volume
2017-12-30T01:42:53 < Ultrasauce> i wouldnt spend more than 1k on fdm
2017-12-30T01:43:07 < Ultrasauce> if you want bigness, tevo little monster
2017-12-30T01:45:03 < upgrdman> wtf, 3d printer + scanner + optional engraver for $550? seems too good to eb true  https://www.frys.com/product/9376010?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
2017-12-30T01:46:13 < zyp> you know the saying
2017-12-30T01:46:21 < upgrdman> yes
2017-12-30T01:46:28 < Ultrasauce> i'd guess it sucks at all 3
2017-12-30T01:47:51 < zyp> the prusa i3 mk3 seems like a decent choice for FDM
2017-12-30T01:48:10 < zyp> I have a couple of friends that bought the mk2s, seems to work well without a bunch of hassles
2017-12-30T01:58:44 < dongs> lol dongs
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2017-12-30T02:15:23 < upgrdman> i think my sanity is prevailing. i'll just use the 3d dicker at work, why bother buying one.
2017-12-30T02:18:13 < Ultrasauce> idiot, what else are you going to sink all into your time into fucking with
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2017-12-30T02:21:02 < upgrdman> im probably going to spend an inordinate amount of time this 4day weekend on modeling my centipede robot with Blender
2017-12-30T02:21:31 < Ultrasauce> neat, how many dof?
2017-12-30T02:21:43 < upgrdman> and a little time reading up on the math behind gear shapes
2017-12-30T02:22:31 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, not sure how to quantify it. it'll look like this, but also be able to flex along its length so it can turn left and right
2017-12-30T02:22:44 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/centipede_walk_cycle_screencast.mp4
2017-12-30T02:25:10 < Ultrasauce> so the walk cycle is going to be all mechanical and then some extra actuation to steer
2017-12-30T02:25:21 < upgrdman> not shown in that animation: the lefts will obviously need to pivot up/down a little so it doesnt drag
2017-12-30T02:25:37 < Ultrasauce> that's going to be quite a project
2017-12-30T02:25:38 < upgrdman> ya, thats the plan
2017-12-30T02:26:03 < upgrdman> indeed. i expect to struggle through it, and maybe fail.
2017-12-30T02:26:11 < upgrdman> story of my life.
2017-12-30T02:26:43 < Ultrasauce> don't make the legs rigid
2017-12-30T02:27:10 < upgrdman> well the tips will have some flex
2017-12-30T02:27:17 < upgrdman> or did you mean more than that?
2017-12-30T02:28:28 < Ultrasauce> might want them to be quite compliant...or maybe the connection between the segments
2017-12-30T02:28:58 < Ultrasauce> otherwise walking on anything nonplanar means you only get like 3 points of contact and it flails uselessly
2017-12-30T02:29:03 < upgrdman> ya the inter-segment connection will be compliant.
2017-12-30T02:29:10 < upgrdman> ya
2017-12-30T02:42:13 < upgrdman> lolwut "I could see potentially using the Makerbot to print, say, a quadcopter propeller"
2017-12-30T02:42:27 < upgrdman> fuck i hope i never meet someone that stupid IRL
2017-12-30T02:42:36 < upgrdman> quote from https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/26/the-makerbot-replicator-is-still-the-easiest-3d-printer-on-the-market/
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2017-12-30T03:13:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TX07SsWpww
2017-12-30T03:14:25 < Ultrasauce> great post havent seen that one before
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2017-12-30T03:23:15 < kikes> we are at destination
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2017-12-30T03:29:16 < kikes> could not believe that the log castle was for us so we drove away like twice
2017-12-30T03:32:15 < kikes> we assumed a little box
2017-12-30T03:32:34 < kikes> sleep>
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2017-12-30T04:06:50 < Ultrasauce> many thanks for your service providing us with another high quality link
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2017-12-30T04:44:44 < Rob235> http://www.robertfeddeler.com/untitled.html :/
2017-12-30T05:02:38 < Ultrasauce> what is READ_REG
2017-12-30T05:02:54 < Ultrasauce> it is suspicious that you're casting to u8
2017-12-30T05:03:47 < Ultrasauce> the read function
2017-12-30T05:06:44 < Ultrasauce> it's not like st's code is ever bad in any way
2017-12-30T05:07:55 < Ultrasauce> how many bytes is it clocking when you do the read
2017-12-30T05:10:32 < Ultrasauce> read dr after outputting the address
2017-12-30T05:15:02 < ohsix> sup
2017-12-30T05:15:06 < ohsix> man
2017-12-30T05:15:21 < ohsix> guy that owns the local hobby shop asked me to look at a 3d printer they've sold for the last 2 years
2017-12-30T05:15:31 < ohsix> it's amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazingly awful, and nobody has them
2017-12-30T05:16:06 < ohsix> the firmware doesn't work, but simultaneously has too many settings, like there is no configuration per target on whatever it is, esteps did nothing, flow rate did nothing
2017-12-30T05:16:31 < ohsix> it would extrude basically random amounts, unrelated to the mechanics of the xtruder, cuz we ruled that out
2017-12-30T05:17:03 < ohsix> hobby shop distributor stuff is weird, that's the channel they got the thing through
2017-12-30T05:17:47 < ohsix> https://skywriter3d.com/product/skywriter3d-desktop-v2/
2017-12-30T05:18:00 < ohsix> the pcb silk was wrong, the fans were backwards
2017-12-30T05:18:30 < ohsix> there's a fan over the pcb, that's the one that changed rpm with the fan control; the extruder heater is hooked to the 'bed' connector on the terminal block
2017-12-30T05:24:17 < Ultrasauce> i like how the bed has like a 10 degree slant in the picture
2017-12-30T05:26:57 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AW2o4ZvN1s this is like the only video that's any proof of anyone having had one
2017-12-30T05:27:07 < ohsix> look at that underextrusion haha
2017-12-30T05:27:28 < ohsix> wow it's totally fucked
2017-12-30T05:27:46 < ohsix> that's basically what it was doing, surprised it worked that well for the
2017-12-30T05:27:47 < ohsix> m
2017-12-30T05:28:12 < ohsix> who is this person
2017-12-30T05:28:23 < ohsix> whole channel seems like a put on promotional thing, but they have some views
2017-12-30T05:28:54 < Ultrasauce> my guess is something is triggering the 'data packing' mode where multiple bytes are pulled out of the fifo into the DR
2017-12-30T05:29:51 < Ultrasauce> it's set by a 16-bit access of the DR
2017-12-30T05:29:58 < ohsix> talking to R2COM ?
2017-12-30T05:30:17 < ohsix> nm
2017-12-30T05:31:32 < Ultrasauce> RM0394 p1205
2017-12-30T05:32:07 < Ultrasauce> this is something I struggled with on the f4 a bit and the solution was fuck with it until it works
2017-12-30T05:32:36 < Ultrasauce> i'd perhaps even be suspicious of the debugger's read doing it
2017-12-30T05:33:02 < ohsix> the bed on the thing is actually kind of neat; conceptually, if the EXTRUDER fucking worked, it'd be ok
2017-12-30T05:33:46 < Ultrasauce> oh I read L4 instead of LA at some point. I imagine the peripheral is the same
2017-12-30T05:33:48 < ohsix> it's got 3 points for bed leveling and they're under the build plate, so you can put the the head over them to level it; even xxxtreme lean on the horizontal bar can be matched by the plate
2017-12-30T05:38:44 < Ultrasauce> maybe I dunno
2017-12-30T05:39:50 < Ultrasauce> not a huge fan of the design approach where reads DO things
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2017-12-30T05:40:49 < ohsix> a+ that
2017-12-30T05:45:43 < ohsix> http://officialrainbowgirl.com/about-me/ ollol her bio is a cry for help, I DEFINITELY WANT TO BE ALIVE A LONG TIME, and there's a fucking mba/marketing person running the show
2017-12-30T05:46:59 < ohsix> this might be part of weird youtube, the surreal shit for little kids
2017-12-30T05:48:15 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYIcSEzBp5E having a car with chalkboard paint on it is cool as shit tho
2017-12-30T05:49:40 < ohsix> that video confirms the weird kid youtube, there's even gas station hijinks
2017-12-30T06:11:48 < dongs> it means that they clear flags
2017-12-30T06:11:53 < dongs> by reading a register, for example
2017-12-30T06:12:06 < dongs> so you read it once, it has a value, you read it again, its cleared
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2017-12-30T06:24:25 < dongs> why do you care what your debugger shows on reads
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2017-12-30T06:24:41 < dongs> uint8_t dr = (uint8_t)(SPI2->DR); done
2017-12-30T06:25:09 < ohsix> debugger reads are regular reads
2017-12-30T06:25:36 < ohsix> so if shit happens when you read them, it doesn't matter if it's the debugger doing it
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2017-12-30T06:27:25 < dongs> https://www.anandtech.com/show/12191/nvidia-to-cease-driver-development-for-32bit-operating-systems
2017-12-30T06:27:29 < dongs> haha
2017-12-30T06:27:29 < dongs> what will lunix fags do??
2017-12-30T06:27:31 < dongs> wiht 386s
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2017-12-30T06:36:16 < dongs> Apple is reducing the price of an out-of-warranty iPhone battery replacement by $50 — from $79 to $29 — for anyone with an iPhone 6 or later whose battery needs to be replaced, starting in late January and available worldwide through December 2018. Details will be provided soon on apple.com.
2017-12-30T06:36:21 < dongs> haha
2017-12-30T06:44:00 < jadew> R2COM, why is cypress sucking so bad
2017-12-30T06:44:07 < jadew> ?
2017-12-30T06:44:17 < dongs> it started sucking right after he joined!
2017-12-30T06:44:47 < jadew> he joined after FX2 was out, so it sucked before that
2017-12-30T06:45:00 < dongs> there's nothing wrong wiht FX2
2017-12-30T06:45:02 < dongs> other than 8051 aids
2017-12-30T06:45:08 < dongs> FX3 is better but its gcc-only aids
2017-12-30T06:45:19 < jadew> I follow the reset procedure for FIFOs in the datasheet and it doesn't fucking reset
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2017-12-30T06:45:32 < jadew> it doesn't reset the packets already commited to the USB
2017-12-30T06:45:37 < jadew> although, it says it should
2017-12-30T06:45:39 < dongs> thats just you being dumb
2017-12-30T06:46:17 < jadew> I'm pretty good at copy & paste
2017-12-30T06:46:47 < dongs> how is this even fucking possible
2017-12-30T06:47:08 < dongs> pressing 'p' menu in altidumb18 on a 4ghz 12 core processor visibly draws the fucking thing
2017-12-30T06:47:24 < dongs> like you can see the fucking menu extend
2017-12-30T06:48:21 < jadew> bad code can suck on any hardware
2017-12-30T06:48:22 < dongs> ooooh
2017-12-30T06:48:27 < dongs> [x] Ctrl-Tab switches to the last active document
2017-12-30T06:48:33 < dongs> donno if new but FUCKING FINALLY
2017-12-30T06:48:40 < jadew> not new
2017-12-30T06:49:37 < dongs> k, 'use animation' was on
2017-12-30T06:49:42 < dongs> hopefully its not that
2017-12-30T06:49:44 < dongs> turned it off anyway
2017-12-30T06:49:56 < dongs> who the fuck comes up wiht these options?
2017-12-30T06:49:58 < dongs> same shit in windows UI
2017-12-30T06:50:02 < dongs> slide open combo boxes
2017-12-30T06:50:04 < dongs> THE FUCK FOR???
2017-12-30T06:50:12 < dongs> it takes like 5 seconds to "slidE" teh fucking thing open
2017-12-30T06:50:14 < dongs> and it looks gross
2017-12-30T06:50:21 < dongs> i wanna click on shit and select it
2017-12-30T06:50:25 < dongs> i dont wanna watch some retarded animation
2017-12-30T06:50:38 < dongs> or smooth-scrolling listboxes
2017-12-30T06:50:43 < dongs> the scroll algo is so dumb
2017-12-30T06:50:50 < dongs> when theres a bunch of items the scroll is fucking slow
2017-12-30T06:50:53 < dongs> and just gets in the way
2017-12-30T06:51:17 < jadew> I agree with him, but I also know why that shit is there
2017-12-30T06:51:56 < jadew> it's because most people are idiots and they like that
2017-12-30T06:52:09 < jadew> it makes them feel like they're in a CSI movie
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2017-12-30T06:53:11 < dongs> haha, well, i could talk about orcad being 1000x slower than altidumb
2017-12-30T06:53:49 < dongs> zero, because i couldnt get past the retarded fucking 1985 interface
2017-12-30T06:53:54 < dongs> look
2017-12-30T06:53:56 < dongs> any PCB CAD
2017-12-30T06:53:59 < dongs> that has a menu/button
2017-12-30T06:54:03 < dongs> to 'redraw work area'
2017-12-30T06:54:05 < dongs> is automatically fucking out
2017-12-30T06:54:16 < dongs> if you cant fucking manage your draw state
2017-12-30T06:54:22 < dongs> and keep all the shit on screen that needs to be on screen
2017-12-30T06:54:24 < dongs> you're FUCKING FIRED
2017-12-30T06:54:27 < dongs> amirite or amirite
2017-12-30T06:54:34 < dongs> its there
2017-12-30T06:54:38 < dongs> view or someshit menue
2017-12-30T06:54:42 < dongs> 'redraw all'
2017-12-30T06:54:44 < dongs> some dumb crap
2017-12-30T06:54:47 < dongs> cuz when you scroll
2017-12-30T06:54:48 < dongs> or delete shit
2017-12-30T06:54:53 < dongs> it leaves fucking artifacts of crap
2017-12-30T06:54:55 < dongs> all over teh screen
2017-12-30T06:54:59 < dongs> thanks to drawing with GDI
2017-12-30T06:55:05 < dongs> in 2017
2017-12-30T06:55:09 < jadew> dongs, saw that in Xilinx ISim, thought the same
2017-12-30T06:56:07 < dongs> surely videocard has nothing to do wiht GDI performance
2017-12-30T06:56:11 < dongs> taht shit hasnt changed since windows 3.1
2017-12-30T06:56:22 < dongs> i do know
2017-12-30T06:56:38 < jadew> haha
2017-12-30T06:56:39 < dongs> well, i turned it off, seems ok now
2017-12-30T06:56:52 < dongs> A+ troll, R2COM
2017-12-30T06:59:15 < dongs> bro
2017-12-30T06:59:18 < dongs> your $3k cheaper orcad
2017-12-30T06:59:20 < dongs> is CUCKED
2017-12-30T06:59:25 < dongs> it can barely do 2layer eagle-quality boards
2017-12-30T06:59:31 < dongs> to do anything advanced you gotta pay out of the ass
2017-12-30T06:59:41 < dongs> other than facts, sure
2017-12-30T06:59:51 < dongs>  < R2COM> + autorouter which WORKS
2017-12-30T06:59:55 < dongs> only newbfags autoroute
2017-12-30T07:00:48 < dongs> neither do you
2017-12-30T07:00:57 < dongs> PC motherboard design is probably the least advanced thing you can do
2017-12-30T07:01:01 < dongs> considering how fucking garbage they are
2017-12-30T07:01:04 < dongs> and most are just copypastes
2017-12-30T07:01:15 < dongs> do you think an=yone manually routes all that trash?
2017-12-30T07:01:28 < dongs> they copypaste intel reference for DDR + CPU and add their own shitty VRM etc stuff
2017-12-30T07:01:32 < dongs> (or even copypaste that too
2017-12-30T07:01:35 < dongs> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h
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2017-12-30T07:03:01 < dongs> nice rageout
2017-12-30T07:05:06 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-12-30T07:05:10 < dongs> i figured it would be kikecad
2017-12-30T07:05:12 < ohsix> someone ask dongs if r2com is the cmdbeavis of ##stm32
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2017-12-30T07:08:41 < dongs> I heard working there requires installing a permanent anal steve
2017-12-30T07:11:10 < dongs> what did they want you to do there
2017-12-30T07:16:50 < upgrdman> <ohsix> someone ask dongs if r2com is the cmdbeavis of ##stm32
2017-12-30T07:17:25 < dongs> someone ask ohsix to go autism somewhere else
2017-12-30T07:17:30 < dongs> oh wait, i just did
2017-12-30T07:30:23 < dongs> R2COM: fucking altidumb mesh pour is broken
2017-12-30T07:30:46 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/rWcX4uB.png
2017-12-30T07:30:54 < dongs> see how its missing 2 lines??
2017-12-30T07:32:05 < upgrdman> whats the blue thing? looks kinda like a u.fl connector
2017-12-30T07:32:12 < dongs> reverse mount led
2017-12-30T07:32:19 < upgrdman> o
2017-12-30T07:32:29 < dongs> capsense buttons
2017-12-30T07:32:39 < dongs> so i thought i'd do the right thing (tm) and put meshed gnd pour under it
2017-12-30T07:33:57 < dongs> in 45degree mode it mises even more
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2017-12-30T08:12:43 < emeb_mac> well, Apple's got a big datacenter out by Williams-Gateway airport. Doubt they do any design work there tho.
2017-12-30T08:13:12 < emeb_mac> Extreme southeast end of PHX area
2017-12-30T08:13:26 < emeb_mac> Mesa/Gilbert
2017-12-30T08:14:20 < emeb_mac> how long have you lived here?
2017-12-30T08:14:33 < emeb_mac> you need to get out more. :)
2017-12-30T08:14:57 < emeb_mac> buy a 4WD, got out & despoil the desert
2017-12-30T08:16:24 < emeb_mac> Head up I-17 to Bumble-bee / Crown-King / Cleator area. Lots of backwoods Deliverance-types out there.
2017-12-30T08:16:57 < emeb_mac> drive out into the wilderness, tear things up, shoot guns...
2017-12-30T08:17:20 < emeb_mac> play a little banjo. :)
2017-12-30T08:17:40 < emeb_mac> ah, well then that road is not for you.
2017-12-30T08:18:35 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-12-30T08:18:48 < emeb_mac> in the Bradshaw mtns north of Lk Pleasant.
2017-12-30T08:19:07 < emeb_mac> yes.
2017-12-30T08:19:56 < emeb_mac> nah
2017-12-30T08:20:20 < emeb_mac> mostly just white folks living in trailers on dirt roads
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2017-12-30T11:59:46 < stvn> is the shop closed?
2017-12-30T12:03:10 < dongs> yes
2017-12-30T12:03:16 < dongs> pump is out of order
2017-12-30T12:03:48 < stvn> so altium is still giving you trouble?
2017-12-30T12:04:17 < dongs> well i finished routing that board
2017-12-30T12:04:25 < dongs> it wasn't 'trouble' it was just annoying
2017-12-30T12:04:33 < dongs> it breaks usual workflow etc
2017-12-30T12:04:54  * stvn nods
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2017-12-30T12:40:59 < lomas> I hope somebody have used fatfs library by elm chan for SD card works. I am facing  a issue in reading from a file. While reading a file I am getting consucative zeros in between characters. For example a file contails first line as "This is a first line." and f_read or f_gets is giving me bytes like: 'T',0,'h',0,'i'....
2017-12-30T12:42:21 < c4017> lomas, is the file ASCII encoded? If it's UTF-16 or some other multi-byte encoding that might make sense
2017-12-30T12:44:35 < lomas> c4017, oh oh, I was totally unware about that. What can be done regardless of the encoding ? I mean lets suppose I have differet encoding for different file and how can I get rid of it ?
2017-12-30T12:45:50 < c4017> Most text editors let you chose the encoding when saving the file
2017-12-30T12:46:16 < PaulFertser> lomas: why do not you check the file contents first, with e.g. hexdump -C ?
2017-12-30T12:46:28 < PaulFertser> lomas: on your computer so that you can be sure it really is that way.
2017-12-30T12:46:43 < lomas> PaulFertser, I just checked it, its found to be UCS-2 LE BOM
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2017-12-30T12:47:51 < PaulFertser> lomas: and do you really need to handle that encoding on your device?
2017-12-30T12:48:42 < Steffanx> Hi stvn welcome
2017-12-30T12:49:44 < lomas> PaulFertser, well that was extra file copied from PC and tried to read it in my system. What actually I want to do is to log some value first and read it later in my project. And I guess that will not be a problem reading and writing using fatfs.
2017-12-30T12:53:17 < PaulFertser> lomas: shouldn't be a problem, yes. Just do not bother with UCS-2, no reason to use that normally.
2017-12-30T12:53:59 < stvn> welcome stffn
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2017-12-30T12:58:21 < lomas> thank you PaulFertser, c4017 :)
2017-12-30T12:58:50  * stvn throws the book at stffn
2017-12-30T13:16:27 < stvn> waiting for steffan
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2017-12-30T13:33:38 < lomas> hey c4017 well, now it works reading. No problem as before. I tried reading a line one till the end of file. Written this one but it is not working. Please have a look at : https://pastebin.com/Fpx0EY8w
2017-12-30T13:35:08 < lomas> *tried reading a line one by one till the EOF.
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2017-12-30T13:41:34 < c4017> lomas, f_eof returns 0 if it's not the end, change it the while(!f_eof(&getfile));
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2017-12-30T13:47:17 < PaulFertser> btw, feof reports EOF only after you've already tried reading past the end of file, at least in standard C.
2017-12-30T13:50:23  * dongs finished turning stm32f3xx_hal_tsc.c/h into stdperiph-like API
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2017-12-30T14:38:37 < kikes> hello pumppies
2017-12-30T14:40:00 < kikes> really dark in lapland
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2017-12-30T14:52:24 < kikes> foggy and everything
2017-12-30T15:01:13 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCbGwxYiWug
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2017-12-30T15:23:43 < dongs> wow. getting F3 stdperiph to build with 302xE header from HAL was a chore
2017-12-30T15:23:53 < dongs> ~50 errors on compile, mostly due to shittily/subtly renamed register defines
2017-12-30T15:24:02 < dongs> what fucking aids
2017-12-30T15:24:28 < dongs> now i bet i will have random shitty bugs
2017-12-30T15:24:45 < dongs> ST did improve the header a lot since 2015 F3 stdperiph release
2017-12-30T15:25:01 < dongs> now each stm32f3XXX header ONLY defines peripherals in that family
2017-12-30T15:25:08 < dongs> like F302 has no HRTIM, so there's no HRTIM defines
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2017-12-30T19:13:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dcv6GKNNw
2017-12-30T19:18:11 < Tectu> Is that ronnie pickering?
2017-12-30T19:20:39 < Laurenceb_> maybe
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2017-12-30T19:29:11 < Steffanx> Welcome Tectu.
2017-12-30T19:29:22 < Tectu> hi
2017-12-30T19:30:10 < Steffanx> Hows Tectuland?
2017-12-30T19:31:32 < Tectu> very snowy
2017-12-30T19:32:03 < englishman> ❄️
2017-12-30T19:32:54 < Steffanx> !wz switzerland
2017-12-30T19:32:55 < englishbot> [Switzerland, Florida] Overcast. Temp is 9.8°C. Humidity: 83%.
2017-12-30T19:33:03 < Steffanx> lol Florida.. where else.
2017-12-30T19:33:15 < Steffanx> The state with the most original city names
2017-12-30T19:33:43 < Steffanx> !wz bern
2017-12-30T19:33:44 < englishbot> [Bern, Switzerland] Rain. Temp is 10°C. Variable wind: 4 kph. Humidity: 94%.
2017-12-30T19:33:54 < Tectu> Bern is not in the alps ;-)
2017-12-30T19:34:05 < Tectu> !wz visp
2017-12-30T19:34:06 < englishbot> [Visp, Switzerland] Rain. Temp is 1.2°C. Humidity: 95%.
2017-12-30T19:34:36 < Tectu> not rainy
2017-12-30T19:34:38 < Tectu> not 1.2C
2017-12-30T19:34:40 < Tectu> not 95%
2017-12-30T19:34:43 < Tectu> fix your stuff man
2017-12-30T19:35:07 < Steffanx> blame that canuck. but i think he's frozen to death.
2017-12-30T19:35:10 < Steffanx> !wz quebec
2017-12-30T19:35:12 < englishbot> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is -21°C but feels like -30°C. NE wind: 15 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2017-12-30T19:35:43 < Steffanx> !wz toronto
2017-12-30T19:35:43 < englishbot> [Toronto, Canada] Clear. Temp is -10.4°C but feels like -17°C. West wind: 13.4 kph.
2017-12-30T19:36:18 < Tectu> !wz dutchland
2017-12-30T19:36:18 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2017-12-30T19:36:22 < Tectu> :p
2017-12-30T19:37:00 < BrainDamage> !wz mcmurdo
2017-12-30T19:37:01 < englishbot> [McMurdo Station, Antarctica] Light Snow. Temp is -6°C. ENE wind: 17 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2017-12-30T19:37:12 < Tectu> !wz como
2017-12-30T19:37:13 < englishbot> [Comodoro Rivadavia, Argentina] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 20.8°C. WSW wind: 24.1 kph.
2017-12-30T19:37:18 < Tectu> q__q
2017-12-30T19:37:49 < Steffanx> !wz Tectu
2017-12-30T19:37:49 < englishbot> [Tectuapan, Mexico] Overcast. Temp is 26°C. ENE wind: 13 kph. Humidity: 69%.
2017-12-30T19:37:59 < Tectu> tectu is hot
2017-12-30T19:38:00 < Steffanx> Tectu is hooot. Obviously.
2017-12-30T19:38:19 < BrainDamage> it's unusually hot here, 5°C and party cloudy, but all the mountains in the surrounding are snow covered
2017-12-30T19:38:43 < BrainDamage> mostly debating which one to roll over next week
2017-12-30T19:38:45 < Tectu> yeah, it's very warm here as well. usually we'd be way lower
2017-12-30T19:39:01 < Steffanx> It's raining fireworks here atm, but that's what happens around this time of the year.
2017-12-30T19:39:23 < Tectu> does smoking weed make change your personal timezone?
2017-12-30T19:39:52 < Steffanx> I wouldnt know.
2017-12-30T19:39:57 < Tectu> sure.
2017-12-30T19:40:24 < Steffanx> Does it Tectu?
2017-12-30T19:40:36 < Tectu> no idea
2017-12-30T19:40:40 < Steffanx> Sure.
2017-12-30T19:40:48 < Tectu> however, a few weeks ago I did receive a package with LOTS of weed in it.
2017-12-30T19:41:07 < Tectu> someone must have gotten the addresses wrong :p
2017-12-30T19:41:19 < Tectu> police was pretty cool about it
2017-12-30T19:41:19 < Steffanx> I better call the cops on you.
2017-12-30T19:41:57 < BrainDamage> maybe a stm32er wanted for you to get swatted
2017-12-30T19:43:38 < Steffanx> Tectu doesnt do twitch right?
2017-12-30T19:46:30 < Steffanx> :P
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2017-12-30T20:20:51 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.imgur.com/ZvM4AeG.jpg
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2017-12-30T20:36:54 < upgrdman> supposed FL
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2017-12-30T21:38:21 < bvernoux> I know it is not a recent news but I think TrueStudio which has been acquired by ST is a very good news
2017-12-30T21:38:37 < bvernoux> especially for STM32 guys
2017-12-30T21:40:17 < bvernoux> yes it is free for STM32
2017-12-30T21:40:20 < bvernoux> the PRO version
2017-12-30T21:40:44 < bvernoux> and it will be integrated with other tools I think about STM32CubeMX ...
2017-12-30T21:40:49 < bvernoux> maybe all in one
2017-12-30T21:41:16 < bvernoux> but yes it is based on eclipse
2017-12-30T21:41:42 < bvernoux> but it will replace "System Workbench for STM32" as it is a real pain in comparison
2017-12-30T21:42:00 < bvernoux> especially to use Makefile project not created with it ...
2017-12-30T21:42:19 < bvernoux> TrueStudio is really better in lot of area
2017-12-30T21:42:24 < bvernoux> especially the PRO version
2017-12-30T21:42:53 < bvernoux> as there is some nice tools
2017-12-30T21:43:19 < bvernoux> TrueStudio is more open vs Keil ;)
2017-12-30T21:43:24 < bvernoux> using GCC / Eclipse ...
2017-12-30T21:43:43 < bvernoux> Keil is bloated with proprietary stuff the compiler, IDE (which is ugly)
2017-12-30T21:44:07 < bvernoux> and Keil is owned by ARM ;)
2017-12-30T21:44:31 < englishman> these are features that you are rattling off
2017-12-30T21:45:33 < bvernoux> anyway we will see ...
2017-12-30T21:45:47 < bvernoux> but I think it is very positive especially vs "System Workbench for STM32"
2017-12-30T21:46:02 < bvernoux> a huge free upgrade for very serious free development
2017-12-30T21:46:18 < bvernoux> Yes I think a good integration will take time ...
2017-12-30T21:46:27 < bvernoux> especially to integrate STM32CubeMX ...
2017-12-30T21:46:36 < bvernoux> in order to have all in one for STM32
2017-12-30T21:47:07 < bvernoux> IIRC we can already use the TrueStudio Pro version free for STM32
2017-12-30T21:47:37 < bvernoux> ha no it is wrote soon => What was the paid Pro version of TrueSTUDIO will soon be made available to STM32 developers at no charge
2017-12-30T21:47:49 < bvernoux> so we shall have this 1st before a full integration ...
2017-12-30T21:47:59 < bvernoux> http://blog.atollic.com/early-holiday-gift-from-stmicroelectronics
2017-12-30T21:50:31 < englishman> dongs https://i.imgur.com/XGDck6d.jpg
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2017-12-30T21:52:06 < englishman> i hope they get atollic to respin HAL and LL
2017-12-30T21:52:19 < englishman> because literally anyone would do a better job than the indian ST interns
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2017-12-30T21:52:47 < bvernoux> englishman, hehe
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2017-12-30T21:53:39 < bvernoux> yes I admit the LL or HAL is not the best stuff ..
2017-12-30T21:53:58 < Steffanx> whore
2017-12-30T21:53:59 < bvernoux> I'm still waiting a REAL HAL for Hard Realtime ;)
2017-12-30T21:54:07 < bvernoux> at least to have light well designed API
2017-12-30T21:54:15 < bvernoux> especially to do DMA without IRQ ;)
2017-12-30T21:54:22 < bvernoux> as it is the real power of MCU
2017-12-30T22:01:57 < Steffanx> superbia, kakimir is the music guy.
2017-12-30T22:04:23 < bvernoux> R2COM, hehe vim inside eclipse ;)
2017-12-30T22:04:42 < bvernoux> personnally i'm also old school and i'm using Makefile ;)
2017-12-30T22:04:55 < bvernoux> but for advanced debug/JTAG an IDE is a must sometimes
2017-12-30T22:05:32 < bvernoux> especially to check everything quickly as there is so much things on MCU, peripherals init ...
2017-12-30T22:10:23 < bvernoux> yes and MCU are so complex today ...
2017-12-30T22:10:31 < bvernoux> i'm working on the STM32F7 now ;)
2017-12-30T22:10:50 < bvernoux> and soon (when they will be available) H7 as it really seems amazing
2017-12-30T22:11:07 < bvernoux> what is missing is multiple core ;)
2017-12-30T22:11:24 < bvernoux> stm32 with riscv ;)
2017-12-30T22:12:40 < bvernoux> on F4 yes
2017-12-30T22:12:57 < bvernoux> on F7 we had a major fail with our board ...
2017-12-30T22:13:03 < bvernoux> mainly BGA soldering issues ...
2017-12-30T22:13:23 < bvernoux> on F4 everything was working fine
2017-12-30T22:13:30 < bvernoux> see hydrabus project on github
2017-12-30T22:13:34 < bvernoux> hydrafw for the code
2017-12-30T22:13:45 < bvernoux> it is based on HAL driver customized ...
2017-12-30T22:13:52 < bvernoux> because it is very specific
2017-12-30T22:14:44 < bvernoux> you are using HAL driver ?
2017-12-30T22:15:00 < bvernoux> -you are+Are you
2017-12-30T22:16:15 < bvernoux> R2COM, i do not see why it will not work on M7
2017-12-30T22:16:19 < bvernoux> the main difference is cache
2017-12-30T22:16:27 < bvernoux> but there is no cache on peripheral
2017-12-30T22:17:11 < bvernoux> on STM32F769 Discovery Kit all work fine
2017-12-30T22:17:29 < bvernoux> but it is pretty limited for tests as all peripherals are used ...
2017-12-30T22:18:20 < bvernoux> yes FIFO is a good feature
2017-12-30T22:18:38 < bvernoux> also I2C is totally modified as it was a major fail ...
2017-12-30T22:19:10 < bvernoux> just try basically with HAL driver
2017-12-30T22:19:14 < bvernoux> to check all work fine
2017-12-30T22:19:36 < bvernoux> then a scope or LA is mandatory too
2017-12-30T22:20:09 < bvernoux> main problems on F7 are IIRC cache if not used correctly
2017-12-30T22:20:31 < bvernoux> especially with DMA ...
2017-12-30T22:22:09 < bvernoux> R2COM, what is your problem with SPI ?
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2017-12-30T22:53:00 < upgrdman> anyone know of a clay (or clay-ish material) that would be like modeling clay, but not so dense? i want something that wont dry out, and that i can very quickly squeeze into shapes for brainstorming mechanical shitz
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2017-12-30T23:00:02 < englishman> upgrdman: silly putty
2017-12-30T23:01:54 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol
2017-12-30T23:02:05 < upgrdman> englishman, doesnt hold its shape
2017-12-30T23:03:52 < bvernoux> R2COM, I suspect it is because you do not have received the bytes
2017-12-30T23:04:07 < bvernoux> R2COM, I doubt the LL api wait for data and returns immediatly
2017-12-30T23:04:23 < bvernoux> I do not use the LL in fact
2017-12-30T23:04:28 < upgrdman> hmm. maybe Floam, and just trash instead of save/reuse it
2017-12-30T23:07:48 < bvernoux> R2COM, you shall do that before => LL_SPI_IsActiveFlag_RXNE()
2017-12-30T23:07:58 < bvernoux> to be sure you have received something before to read the SPI
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2017-12-30T23:13:29 < bvernoux> what is your FIFO level ?
2017-12-30T23:13:46 < bvernoux> how are you sure when you run it you already have received 2 bytes ?
2017-12-30T23:14:01 < bvernoux> and for information i suspect you are in master mode
2017-12-30T23:14:17 < bvernoux> so RX means you send dummy data in order to read data from slave
2017-12-30T23:14:28 < bvernoux> maybe the slave is too slow
2017-12-30T23:14:56 < bvernoux> as if you are doing 2 successive read the slave shall be fast enough ...
2017-12-30T23:15:38 < bvernoux> yes but the slave
2017-12-30T23:15:49 < bvernoux> are you sure it react quickly ?
2017-12-30T23:16:01 < bvernoux> especially to 2 successive READ
2017-12-30T23:16:32 < bvernoux> for example on an arduino it will miss the 2nd read ...
2017-12-30T23:16:45 < bvernoux> as it is slow to react and it depends also on the SPI CLK ...
2017-12-30T23:16:58 < bvernoux> F7 is faster
2017-12-30T23:18:21 < bvernoux> maybe you have wrong clock for SPI
2017-12-30T23:18:26 < bvernoux> it is too fast for the device
2017-12-30T23:18:48 < bvernoux> F7 is dual issue
2017-12-30T23:18:56 < bvernoux> 2 times faster on some specific cases ...
2017-12-30T23:19:36 < bvernoux> I do not know what is your use case
2017-12-30T23:19:50 < bvernoux> but check with a scope what you are doing especially the clock of SPI ...
2017-12-30T23:21:22 < bvernoux> R2COM, also check your code as LL_SPI_IsActiveFlag_xxx returns 0 or 1
2017-12-30T23:21:30 < bvernoux> I do not know what is your RESET define ...
2017-12-30T23:22:29 < bvernoux> R2COM, question is what is your slave ?
2017-12-30T23:22:39 < bvernoux> master is F7 but the slave SPI ?
2017-12-30T23:23:18 < bvernoux> as the F7 is clearly faster than F4 so maybe it was working fine before because your code was slow enough to let breath the slave and so send data at right time
2017-12-30T23:23:32 < bvernoux> and now F7 is too fast and probably SPI clock is faster than F4 too ...
2017-12-30T23:26:54 < bvernoux> check the datasheet of the SPI Slave if it is a peripheral like SPI RAM ...
2017-12-30T23:27:00 < bvernoux> there is some delay to respect ...
2017-12-30T23:27:45 < bvernoux> also check the signal with an oscilloscope as you could be 8x faster than planned on SPI CLK
2017-12-30T23:27:46 < bvernoux> ...
2017-12-30T23:48:04 < Steffanx> My phone can show me it, yes superbia
2017-12-30T23:48:24 < Steffanx> superbia1*
2017-12-30T23:53:45 < bvernoux> R2COM, check your code it shall wait for TX end & RX end each time
2017-12-30T23:54:49 < bvernoux> R2COM, it is easier to use HAL for that which will do it for you ...
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2017-12-31T00:45:35 < Tectu> https://scontent-frt3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24058737_10159723940800445_6348319324728995211_n.jpg?oh=6aa26ead08f6dd498ee3188ad58fa53c&oe=5AC82E07
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2017-12-31T00:48:54 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-12-31T00:51:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Utp0f_EG8
2017-12-31T00:51:12 < Laurenceb_> cringe level: over 9000
2017-12-31T00:52:31 < Tectu> Laurenceb
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2017-12-31T01:58:25 < kikes> official secks
2017-12-31T02:09:23 < kikes> tommorow some powder
2017-12-31T02:17:53 < Steffanx> Welcome mr J. Kikes.
2017-12-31T02:18:14 < kikes> I try to find you some stuff from lapland Steffanx
2017-12-31T02:18:31 < Steffanx> Oh noes
2017-12-31T02:20:59 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSTr4azX0AAE23m.jpg
2017-12-31T02:34:56 < Cracki> the english is way too good
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2017-12-31T02:58:19 < dongs>  < bvernoux> R2COM, hehe vim inside eclipse ;)
2017-12-31T02:58:20 < dongs> ..
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2017-12-31T03:26:59 < dongs> no i have no use for any STM32 that doesnt propvide stdperiphlib
2017-12-31T03:27:03 < dongs> fuck hal and LL
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2017-12-31T03:29:17 < dongs> correct, it has nothing of value to any of my current projects
2017-12-31T03:29:19 < dongs> and is way to oexpensive
2017-12-31T03:29:21 < dongs> and unavailable
2017-12-31T03:33:51 < dongs> it also works and is sane
2017-12-31T03:34:05 < dongs> yesterday I just made F3 stdperiph build with the HAL headers
2017-12-31T03:34:23 < dongs> yes
2017-12-31T03:34:30 < dongs> 1.2.3 F3 stdperiph
2017-12-31T03:34:36 < dongs> had ancient header that didnt support F302RE
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2017-12-31T03:34:46 < dongs> which I have a new board
2017-12-31T03:34:56 < dongs> so I had to make it build with the new cmsis/hal headers that DO have it
2017-12-31T03:35:05 < dongs> and port TSC driver from HAL to stdperiph
2017-12-31T03:36:01 < dongs> sounds like some spi garbage
2017-12-31T03:36:32 < dongs> err, sounds like some spi FIFO garbage
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2017-12-31T04:39:45 < stvn> in the tap
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2017-12-31T05:34:54 < Laurenceb_> <R2COM> faggot shit
2017-12-31T05:35:10 < Laurenceb_> R2COM confirmed as nazi guy from falling down
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2017-12-31T05:55:50 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jSVwZ8w3C4
2017-12-31T05:56:04 < dongs> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/ad18-ui-switch/ eevbeg useful for something
2017-12-31T06:15:39 < dongs> is your SPI bit width actually set to 8
2017-12-31T06:15:40 < dongs> or whaetver
2017-12-31T06:16:38 < dongs> didnt he already paste you code
2017-12-31T06:25:22 < upgrdman> have you poked clive1 on the fag32 forums?
2017-12-31T06:36:00 < dongs> just email him directly
2017-12-31T06:36:03 < dongs> i heard he does tech support v ia email
2017-12-31T06:36:07 < dongs> sourcer32@gmail
2017-12-31T06:36:12 < dongs> same paypal accuont as well
2017-12-31T06:36:17 < day> xD
2017-12-31T06:37:43 < day> support questions are preferably received through ascii encoded paypal transactions
2017-12-31T06:38:21 < dongs> yes
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2017-12-31T07:08:12 < day> dongs: that eevblog board looks sick
2017-12-31T07:08:30 < day> always amazes me what some people can pull of as a one man hobby project o.o
2017-12-31T07:08:41 < dongs> eh, its a sample that ships with altidumb18
2017-12-31T07:08:44 < dongs> its a 16 layer board
2017-12-31T07:08:59 < day> ah i see
2017-12-31T07:09:08 < dongs> so its actually easier to do than you think, there's literalyl a layer for every power rail
2017-12-31T07:09:25 < day> i was impressed that a chinese guy who cant even english was capable of pulling something like that off :D
2017-12-31T07:09:33 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-31T07:09:43 < dongs> also thats the board thats 3d rendered in altidumb18 startup screen
2017-12-31T07:10:19 < day> like is there software that you don't hate?
2017-12-31T07:15:55 < emeb_mac> R2COM: sorry - was away for a while...
2017-12-31T07:16:20 < emeb_mac> that code I posted the other day is what I use for slow stuff
2017-12-31T07:16:29 < emeb_mac> for fast stuff I use DMA
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2017-12-31T07:18:15 < emeb_mac> and I use full-on HAL interfaces to set up. no LL stuffs
2017-12-31T07:18:22 < dongs> gross.
2017-12-31T07:18:33 < dongs> when i was porting HAL to stdperiph shit for TSC peripheral
2017-12-31T07:18:41 < dongs> i realized just how much of a gross mess HAL is
2017-12-31T07:18:46 < dongs> so much redundant shit
2017-12-31T07:23:56 < emeb_mac> yeah, it's a mess
2017-12-31T07:24:08 < emeb_mac> but for a while that was all there was for F7
2017-12-31T07:25:49 < emeb_mac> I tend to avoid their read/write code, but I do use the setup
2017-12-31T07:26:23 < emeb_mac> but HAL is nice for SD card and I2C EEPROM high level stuff
2017-12-31T07:26:47 < dongs> you mean something liek 60kbytes compiled I2C_CPAL + EEPROM emulation shit?
2017-12-31T07:26:52 < dongs> thats literally like 10 lines of code otherwise
2017-12-31T07:27:30 < dongs> and apparently their SD driver is buggy...
2017-12-31T07:27:38 < dongs> clive posted numerious fatfs + sdio fixes
2017-12-31T07:27:42 < dongs> for F4xx periphlib
2017-12-31T07:27:59 < dongs> shit like broekn support for SDHC > 4gb cards because of addressing issue, tc etc
2017-12-31T07:28:30 < day> wheee wheee :p
2017-12-31T07:33:20 < c4017> i just got redirected to gay nigger association of america
2017-12-31T07:33:46 < c4017> where does this go: http://1.ntp.tandberg.com
2017-12-31T07:38:03 < dongs> some chink shitblog
2017-12-31T07:38:30 < dongs> https://mzh.io/asset/2017/12/go_asm_gdb.png complete faggot detected
2017-12-31T07:38:47 < dongs> gdb on macfag
2017-12-31T07:38:55 < dongs> probably the worst thing you can do
2017-12-31T07:40:11 < dongs> hm i need to come up with a neat way to scan 4 TSC iogroups in sequence in one interrupt
2017-12-31T07:46:53 < dongs> hmm, also the part about parallel acquisition
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2017-12-31T07:52:21 < dongs> there are 14 hits for TSC IOConfig stuff on google
2017-12-31T07:52:30 < dongs> all of them are just from copies of HAL/STDPERiph on shithub
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2017-12-31T07:52:40 < dongs> not a single line of code actually using them
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2017-12-31T09:03:05 < invzim> bootloaders, firmware updates and stuff
2017-12-31T09:04:16 < invzim> I was originally thinking of using the unique-ID for something, but now I'm more leaning towards just aes256 crypt the distributed image, and have the decrypt key in bootloader
2017-12-31T09:06:06 < invzim> anyone got any experience in these matters?  first objective is to discourage cloning, and second is to make cloning troulbesome enough that people will think twice
2017-12-31T09:08:57 < dongs> the second for sure
2017-12-31T09:09:09 < dongs> just store a static key in BL
2017-12-31T09:09:18 < dongs> and hope you dont have any bugs in userspace that would let reading it out
2017-12-31T09:10:00 < dongs> bonus: show no indication aes key is wrong while updating
2017-12-31T09:10:10 < dongs> and just write garbage into userspace
2017-12-31T09:10:31 < dongs> in BL, check if userspace_start is & 0x2000xxxx or wahtever for stack start
2017-12-31T09:11:04 < invzim> kicking myself for not starting the bl stuff earlier
2017-12-31T09:11:07 < invzim> it really is key
2017-12-31T09:11:49 < invzim> STM32 crypto library decent?
2017-12-31T09:15:18 < dongs> crypto..library?
2017-12-31T09:15:25 < dongs> you mean just using the aes peripheral?
2017-12-31T09:16:12 < invzim> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/group0/f9/6e/f2/a2/b4/ec/49/c0/DM00215061/files/DM00215061.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00215061.pdf
2017-12-31T09:18:56 < dongs> aids
2017-12-31T09:20:01 < dongs> literally just use the stdperiph/hal shit
2017-12-31T09:20:03 < dongs> its a single fucking clal
2017-12-31T09:20:55 < dongs> HAL in bootloader is lol
2017-12-31T09:21:05 < dongs> enjoy your 32k .bin that just does main()
2017-12-31T09:27:38 < invzim> as I'm doing micro sd with sdio, fat etc I'm sure it will be that size regardless
2017-12-31T09:31:35 < dongs> heh i have self updating dongloader with sdio and fat in 16k on F401
2017-12-31T09:31:39 < dongs> oh and LCD
2017-12-31T09:33:33 < invzim> ehe, dongloader
2017-12-31T09:38:34 < dongs> return (((TSC->IOGCSR & (uint32_t)((uint32_t)1U << ((gx_index) + (uint32_t)16U))) == (uint32_t)((uint32_t)1U << ((gx_index) + (uint32_t)16U))) ? TSC_GROUP_COMPLETED : TSC_GROUP_ONGOING);
2017-12-31T09:38:38 < dongs> why even bother with such awful code
2017-12-31T09:38:40 < dongs> fuck
2017-12-31T09:38:59 < dongs> fucking HAL newbs
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2017-12-31T10:47:05 < dongs> hal splitting this "MSP" and peripheral init between separate files/separate groups of shit is retarded too
2017-12-31T10:57:17 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Hfqc2b77.html
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2017-12-31T15:06:57 < Steffanx> Happy new year stvn
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2017-12-31T15:38:51 < dongs> hes not even on
2017-12-31T15:40:49 < ReadErr> does there exist
2017-12-31T15:40:57 < ReadErr> and asic crypto accelerator
2017-12-31T15:41:06 < ReadErr> just the asic though
2017-12-31T15:41:08 < dongs> stoner chats detected
2017-12-31T15:41:33 < dongs> can you repeat your question without sounding liek a COMPLETE FAGGOT?
2017-12-31T15:41:38 < ReadErr> just prepping my kickstarter, bro
2017-12-31T15:41:40 < ReadErr> how about that
2017-12-31T15:43:11 < Steffanx> He reads logs, dongs.
2017-12-31T15:44:36 < Steffanx> who knows
2017-12-31T15:45:27 < ReadErr> but re: asic
2017-12-31T15:45:35 < ReadErr> something with a PCI-e interface
2017-12-31T15:45:38 < dongs> ???
2017-12-31T15:45:43 < Steffanx> idk ReadErr. never looked into anything like that
2017-12-31T15:45:44 < dongs> do you know what "ASIC" is
2017-12-31T15:45:52 < ReadErr> yea
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2017-12-31T15:45:56 < ReadErr> or it can be FPGA
2017-12-31T15:46:12 < dongs> the keyword here is application SPECIFIC
2017-12-31T15:46:20 < ReadErr> AES256/512
2017-12-31T15:46:22 < Steffanx> Did you loose your buttplug dongs? You seem so agitated
2017-12-31T15:46:39 < BrainDamage> was the pun intentional?
2017-12-31T15:46:39 < dongs> .. there are crypto accelerator cards/usb sticks/etc.
2017-12-31T15:46:59 < ReadErr> fpga/asic, pci-e, aes128/256(maybe512)
2017-12-31T15:47:10 < dongs> http://www.cavium.com/cavium-announces-10gbps-ipsec-and-ssl-pci-express-security-accelerators.html
2017-12-31T15:47:13 < dongs> etc
2017-12-31T15:47:19 < Steffanx> lol, no BrainDamage
2017-12-31T15:47:21 < dongs> https://store.netgate.com/ADI/QuickAssist8955.aspx
2017-12-31T15:47:21 < dongs> etc
2017-12-31T15:47:38 < ReadErr> lol yea not something that cost that much either
2017-12-31T15:47:46 < ReadErr> its gotta be affordable
2017-12-31T15:47:54 < ReadErr> and not nearly that fast
2017-12-31T15:47:56 < dongs> some STM32s have a crypto block
2017-12-31T15:48:02 < dongs> that does AES and a couple other shits
2017-12-31T15:48:29 < ReadErr> i was wanting to explore a crypto accelerator that could be used with arm/x86 SBC
2017-12-31T15:48:37 < ReadErr> to get decent openvpn throughput
2017-12-31T15:48:40 < BrainDamage> iirc nitrokey/gnuk sores tokens uses stm32
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2017-12-31T15:49:06 < dongs> https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/hardware/cryptographic.hardware.accelerators
2017-12-31T15:49:19 < dongs> there's a shitton of usb/pci cheap shits
2017-12-31T15:49:38 < ReadErr> not in the right formfactor (pci)
2017-12-31T15:49:43 < ReadErr> it would need to be spun on mini pci
2017-12-31T15:49:47 < dongs> PCI with SBC??
2017-12-31T15:49:59 < ReadErr> yea theres plenty of chinashits with mini pci
2017-12-31T15:51:11 < dongs> http://soekris.eu/shop/vpn_boards/vpn1411_for_mini_pci_sockets_en.html
2017-12-31T15:51:12 < dongs> already exists
2017-12-31T15:52:15 < dongs> looks like exar owns them now
2017-12-31T15:52:19 < dongs> (Hifn)
2017-12-31T15:52:25 < ReadErr> woh
2017-12-31T15:52:27 < karlp> pretty sure exar doesn't exist either anymore
2017-12-31T15:52:33 < ReadErr> thats neat
2017-12-31T15:52:43 < dongs> karlp: what do you mean? with the semtech purchase?
2017-12-31T15:53:11 < karlp> https://www.exar.com/ "maxlinear inc has completed the acquisistion of exar corp"
2017-12-31T15:53:12 < dongs> oh what the fuck
2017-12-31T15:53:15 < dongs> maxlinear bought them?
2017-12-31T15:53:18 < dongs> lol..
2017-12-31T15:54:15 < ReadErr> http://pdf.datasheet.live/b39af354/hifn.com/7955PT6.pdf
2017-12-31T15:54:35 < dongs> 2003, rip
2017-12-31T15:54:50 < karlp> ReadErr: hifn invented this market
2017-12-31T15:54:56 < dongs> fitting for lunix to support it
2017-12-31T15:55:01 < dongs> when hardware is EOL
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2017-12-31T15:55:06 < karlp> and then they couldn't keep up with software optimizations for general purpose cpus
2017-12-31T15:55:15 < ReadErr> karlp: i envision a low cost high throughput transparent vpn gateway
2017-12-31T15:55:16 < dongs> right
2017-12-31T15:55:22 < karlp> you can still buy dedicated ssl terminators and shit
2017-12-31T15:55:42 < dongs> cavium still makes network security processors
2017-12-31T15:55:47 < dongs> and iirc they're still in business
2017-12-31T15:55:57 < karlp> sure, but it's super niche now,
2017-12-31T15:56:00 < dongs> thats what my yamaha switch uses
2017-12-31T15:56:05 < ReadErr> even gay expensive wifi APs cant do decent openvpn
2017-12-31T15:56:06 < dongs> and runs a proper OS, not lunix
2017-12-31T15:56:16 < karlp> ReadErr: so, use wireguard instead of openvpn?
2017-12-31T15:56:25 < karlp> like, it's _famous_ for being slow as shit
2017-12-31T15:56:39 < ReadErr> karlp: that requires providers adopt it
2017-12-31T15:56:42 < dongs> https://www.cavium.com/nitrox-security-processors.html
2017-12-31T15:57:28 < karlp> youre using online torrent vpn services and complaining about not having a dedicated vpn offload chip? wat
2017-12-31T15:57:29 < ReadErr> and afaik, none of the big players are using it
2017-12-31T15:57:52 < dongs> my yamaha shit does hardware ipsec
2017-12-31T15:57:53 < ReadErr> hmm mullvad is
2017-12-31T15:58:02 < ReadErr> ipsec sucks
2017-12-31T15:58:05 < dongs> ipsec is great
2017-12-31T15:58:06 < dongs> it works
2017-12-31T15:58:15 < dongs> and needs zero setup on my end
2017-12-31T15:58:17 < dongs> just works
2017-12-31T15:58:49 < ReadErr> what i was aiming to piece together is something that can be made for around 60$
2017-12-31T15:59:03 < ReadErr> with a shitty dualcore intel x86
2017-12-31T15:59:16 < ReadErr> or arm SoC
2017-12-31T15:59:30 < ReadErr> with atleast 100Mbit throughput
2017-12-31T15:59:34 < ReadErr> on AES256
2017-12-31T16:00:18 < ReadErr> oops, doesnt even need to be dualcore, but dual interfaces would be nice
2017-12-31T16:00:26 < ReadErr> even though 1 would work
2017-12-31T16:01:57 < dongs> email avnet for price quote on CN1505
2017-12-31T16:03:00 < ReadErr> https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless/wireless-lan-infrastructure/bcm49408
2017-12-31T16:04:48 < dongs> that will run lunix
2017-12-31T16:05:29 < ReadErr> yea it would be lunix ofc anyways
2017-12-31T16:05:43 < ReadErr> too bad broadcom are a bunch of fags
2017-12-31T16:09:04 < dongs> PCI is a pretty crap requirement, anything modern is gonna be PCIe
2017-12-31T16:09:15 < dongs> (including that broadcom)
2017-12-31T16:10:06 < ReadErr> i said pci-e
2017-12-31T16:10:25 < ReadErr> 8:45 AM <ReadErr> but re: asic
2017-12-31T16:10:26 < ReadErr> 8:45 AM <ReadErr> something with a PCI-e interface
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2017-12-31T16:11:49 < dongs> Hi/fn 7954 security accelerator chip
2017-12-31T16:11:49 < dongs> System throughput at up to 40 Mbps
2017-12-31T16:11:49 < dongs> Encryption, 128 AES at upto 19 Mbps, 3-DES at upto 40 Mbps
2017-12-31T16:11:49 < dongs> Hardware random number generator
2017-12-31T16:11:49 < dongs> 33/66 Mhz Mini-PCI type III form factor
2017-12-31T16:11:53 < dongs> haha
2017-12-31T16:11:55 < ReadErr> lol
2017-12-31T16:11:56 < ReadErr> garbage
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2017-12-31T16:11:59 < dongs> literally
2017-12-31T16:12:07 < dongs> i think STM32 can actaully achieve this
2017-12-31T16:12:13 < dongs> with its crypto hw
2017-12-31T16:12:40 < ReadErr> hmm i wonder if even doing it over usb
2017-12-31T16:12:43 < ReadErr> would be viable
2017-12-31T16:12:48 < ReadErr> usb2 is like 480mbps
2017-12-31T16:13:09 < tpw_rules> openvpn is suck for speed
2017-12-31T16:13:19 < ReadErr> not with decent hw
2017-12-31T16:13:31 < ReadErr> its just none of the shit in the consumer market is made for it
2017-12-31T16:13:44 < tpw_rules> i had an arm sbc which i couldn't get above like 20% cpu usage
2017-12-31T16:13:57 < tpw_rules> idk why. it had dual gig interfaces
2017-12-31T16:14:24 < ReadErr> what did you get
2017-12-31T16:14:26 < ReadErr> throughput
2017-12-31T16:14:28 < tpw_rules> odroid xu4
2017-12-31T16:14:32 < tpw_rules> only 60 or 70 mbps
2017-12-31T16:14:52 < ReadErr> seems pretty high
2017-12-31T16:14:57 < dongs> http://www.yamaha.com/products/en/network/routers/rtx810/
2017-12-31T16:14:58 < tpw_rules> ye but i had so much more cpu
2017-12-31T16:14:59 < ReadErr> compared to other arm sbc
2017-12-31T16:15:01 < dongs> http://data.yamaha.jp/sdb/local/products/images/29751/12/29751_12_1.jpg
2017-12-31T16:15:15 < dongs> ^ cavium something or other
2017-12-31T16:15:32 < ReadErr> dongs: L2TP/PPTP though
2017-12-31T16:15:38 < dongs> yeah dont care, just saying
2017-12-31T16:15:42 < tpw_rules> i thnk cause it wasn't in the kernel
2017-12-31T16:15:53 < tpw_rules> or something. it frustrated me
2017-12-31T16:16:01 < dongs> thats what i have at my office, works gr8
2017-12-31T16:16:29 < ReadErr> anyways i think a cheap enough device that could be used as a gateway with selective routing
2017-12-31T16:16:35 < ReadErr> might be useful for many
2017-12-31T16:16:45 < ReadErr> specially with FCC shit happening in the states
2017-12-31T16:17:05 < tpw_rules> commercial vpns are all a scam anyways
2017-12-31T16:17:23 < ReadErr> i have a 2$ hostsailor server
2017-12-31T16:17:29 < ReadErr> that will do 900Mbit easily
2017-12-31T16:17:35 < ReadErr> but it puts me in .nl
2017-12-31T16:17:41 < ReadErr> which fuckin sucks for browsing
2017-12-31T16:18:32 < tpw_rules> ReadErr: get back to me with what you find and its perf cause i'm still salty i couldn't find the bottleneck on my setup
2017-12-31T16:18:56 < ReadErr> tpw_rules: i gave up on the idea of using an ARM
2017-12-31T16:19:04 < ReadErr> power is cheap enough on x86
2017-12-31T16:19:17 < tpw_rules> i never got better performance on any i7 machine i own
2017-12-31T16:20:03 < ReadErr> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-low-price-mini-itx-4-lan-wIntel-I211AT-router-motherboard-with-intel-j1900-quad/32792632703.html
2017-12-31T16:21:15 < ReadErr> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Minisys-4-Lan-pfsense-minipc-Intel-atom-E3845-quad-core-mini-itx-motherboard-linux-firewall-computer/3058001_32825684280.html
2017-12-31T16:21:21 < ReadErr> AES-NI on cpu there
2017-12-31T16:21:53 < ReadErr> tpw_rules: really?
2017-12-31T16:22:06 < ReadErr> i can pull 140Mbit w/ my shittiest computer here
2017-12-31T16:22:12 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-12-31T16:22:15 < tpw_rules> idk what's wrong w me
2017-12-31T16:22:31 < tpw_rules> how far away is the server?
2017-12-31T16:23:04 < ReadErr> say, florida to newyork
2017-12-31T16:23:17 < tpw_rules> that's about my distance
2017-12-31T16:23:23 < tpw_rules> guh
2017-12-31T16:23:27 < ReadErr> but thats not too important
2017-12-31T16:23:41 < tpw_rules> i got deep into tcp window sizes and socket buffers and shit
2017-12-31T16:24:31 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tdvyqwsA/image.png
2017-12-31T16:24:46 < ReadErr> my line is only 150/20
2017-12-31T16:26:10 < ReadErr> meanwhile this dual core asus ac68u can only so 20mbit
2017-12-31T16:29:40 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/N3M8dNi.png this is over my microdick wireless. https://i.imgur.com/NhLhbbM.png my office
2017-12-31T16:31:34 < ReadErr> yea im going over wireless, too
2017-12-31T16:32:03 < ReadErr> trying to find performance data on the st crypto
2017-12-31T16:33:35 < ReadErr> Sep 21, 2011 - This crypto/hash processor includes hardware acceleration for AES 128, 192, 256, Triple DES, HASH (MD5, SHA-1). As an example of the performance achieved by the crypto/hash processor, the AES-256 encryption throughput reaches up to 149.33 Mbytes/s. STM32 F4 Performance The STM32 F4 can ...
2017-12-31T16:33:40 < ReadErr> w0w
2017-12-31T16:33:52 < dongs> yeah
2017-12-31T16:34:00 < dongs> as i said, STM would bury that hifn shit
2017-12-31T16:34:11 < ReadErr> thats MBYTES too
2017-12-31T16:34:12 < dongs> for $5 or wahtever F417 with crypto costs
2017-12-31T16:34:14 < ReadErr> wild
2017-12-31T16:34:37 < dongs> just stick an external USB2-HS PHY on it
2017-12-31T16:34:43 < Steffanx> F7/H7 is probably the same silicon so probably not faster?
2017-12-31T16:34:45 < dongs> and write something to DMA between USB->CRYP->USB
2017-12-31T16:35:23 < dongs> its weird, they provide number of HCLK clocks for DES crypto part
2017-12-31T16:35:26 < dongs> but not for anything else
2017-12-31T16:35:51 < dongs> oh wait
2017-12-31T16:35:53 < dongs> its in a table, im dumb
2017-12-31T16:36:22 < dongs> 18 HCLK cycles to do aes256-CBC
2017-12-31T16:36:35 < dongs> 128bit block
2017-12-31T16:37:02 < Steffanx> You can actually get the H7 nowadays.
2017-12-31T16:37:13 < dongs> does H7 do anything useful
2017-12-31T16:37:49 < Steffanx> Exept for M7 @ 400MHz, not sure.
2017-12-31T16:38:41 < ReadErr> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/digital/microcontrollers/MAXQ1050.html
2017-12-31T16:39:43 < Steffanx> "two self-destruct inputs" hah
2017-12-31T16:39:50 < ReadErr> ya lol'd at that too
2017-12-31T16:41:00 < ReadErr> but its only FS USB
2017-12-31T16:42:37 < ReadErr> hmm ya stm32 sounds like a good path
2017-12-31T16:42:45 < ReadErr> theres even a timecube crypto lib
2017-12-31T16:43:23 < ReadErr> need to see if theres some existing supported lunix driver though
2017-12-31T16:43:41 < dongs> what 'driver'
2017-12-31T16:43:49 < ReadErr> its a kernel module
2017-12-31T16:43:51 < dongs> just make it random bulk USB and make a simple enough API that shit can offload stuff to it
2017-12-31T16:44:05 < ReadErr> right but openvpn uses /dev/crypto
2017-12-31T16:44:10 < ReadErr> i need to see how all that shit works
2017-12-31T16:46:18 < ReadErr> https://github.com/nmav/cryptodev-linux/tree/master/examples
2017-12-31T16:47:03 < ReadErr> thats how its interfaced anyways
2017-12-31T16:52:15 < ReadErr> lrh tonight dongs
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2017-12-31T16:55:04 < ReadErr> https://os.mbed.com/users/feb11/code/Crypto/
2017-12-31T16:55:09 < ReadErr> lol this might not be too bad to try
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2017-12-31T16:57:47 < ReadErr> https://trezor.io/ <-- got shitcoin people are idiots
2017-12-31T16:57:51 < ReadErr> god
2017-12-31T16:58:01 < ReadErr> 89euro, 120 MHz embedded ARM processor (Cortex-M3)
2017-12-31T17:00:29 < Steffanx> Cant even pay in buttcoins.
2017-12-31T17:00:40 < ReadErr> that would add 18$
2017-12-31T17:00:48 < ReadErr> for the transaction fee
2017-12-31T17:00:50 < ReadErr> loooool
2017-12-31T17:01:22 < ReadErr> https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu
2017-12-31T17:04:29 < Steffanx> How does the last day in the US work ReadErr? Do the kiddos set of fireworks all day long ( like in dutchland ) ?
2017-12-31T17:04:40 < Steffanx> or is that illegal?
2017-12-31T17:04:48 < ReadErr> yea fireworks
2017-12-31T17:04:56 < ReadErr> depends on the state/city
2017-12-31T17:05:03 < ReadErr> if its too dry, a lot of places ban them
2017-12-31T17:05:11 < ReadErr> since forest fires
2017-12-31T17:05:33 < ReadErr> but driving tonight, bad idea
2017-12-31T17:05:40 < ReadErr> checkpoints and stuff
2017-12-31T17:05:44 < ReadErr> trying to get drunks
2017-12-31T17:08:07 < Steffanx> :)
2017-12-31T17:09:53 < ReadErr> damn so the crypto stuff seems really easy code wise
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2017-12-31T17:23:39 < ReadErr> well fuckme
2017-12-31T17:23:41 < ReadErr> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/crypto/stm32/stm32-hash.c
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2017-12-31T17:34:05 < Steffanx> How is that fuck me, ReadErr?
2017-12-31T17:34:11 < ReadErr> its a thing
2017-12-31T17:34:30 < ReadErr> cant find any documents tho
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2017-12-31T17:37:14 < Tectu> how do I hide copper pours in altium?
2017-12-31T17:37:32 < ReadErr> just hide the layer
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2017-12-31T17:37:37 < ReadErr> thats what i do anyways
2017-12-31T17:37:46 < Tectu> is there a layers dock or something?
2017-12-31T17:37:48 < Tectu> new to altidongs
2017-12-31T17:37:54 < ReadErr> right click at the bottom
2017-12-31T17:37:59 < ReadErr> and you can make different sets
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2017-12-31T17:39:02 < Tectu> hmm. I only want to hide the copper pours, I still want to see the traces. So layers are the wrong choice here unless I misunderstood
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2017-12-31T17:39:45 < dongs> Tectu: tgh?
2017-12-31T17:40:00 < Tectu> dongs?
2017-12-31T17:40:04 < dongs> press those keys
2017-12-31T17:40:06 < dongs> t, g, h
2017-12-31T17:40:09 < dongs> to hide pours.
2017-12-31T17:40:15 < dongs> tge to bring them back
2017-12-31T17:40:22 < Tectu> oh, shortcuts
2017-12-31T17:40:22 < ReadErr> doesnt that unpour them?
2017-12-31T17:40:26 < Tectu> thank you mr. dongs <3
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2017-12-31T17:40:33 < dongs> why would it matter if it unpours them
2017-12-31T17:40:47 < dongs> it marks them dirty, yes
2017-12-31T17:40:52 < dongs> tga to repour.
2017-12-31T17:40:52 < ReadErr> yes
2017-12-31T17:40:59 < dongs> doesnt matter anyway.
2017-12-31T17:41:11 < ReadErr> or go w/ the layer sets Tectu, just depends what you are going for
2017-12-31T17:41:31 < dongs> since theres no connection between pour and layer sets i dont see how thats relevant
2017-12-31T17:41:41 < dongs> i just use shift-s to brighten current layer
2017-12-31T17:41:42 < ReadErr> huh cant you hide the layer
2017-12-31T17:41:48 < dongs> "layer" with what?
2017-12-31T17:41:53 < ReadErr> which the pour is on
2017-12-31T17:42:00 < dongs> kinda useless on a 2L boarD??
2017-12-31T17:42:04 < Tectu> can one undock a tab so I have schematics on one screen and layout on another?
2017-12-31T17:42:06 < ReadErr> o heh
2017-12-31T17:42:11 < ReadErr> ya
2017-12-31T17:42:12 < dongs> Tectu: yeah just drag it over.
2017-12-31T17:42:16 < dongs> same as any other thing.
2017-12-31T17:42:21 < dongs> or right click tab, open in new window
2017-12-31T17:42:29 < Tectu> dragging somehow doesn't do anything
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2017-12-31T17:42:35 < dongs> ok then rightcilck+new window shit.
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2017-12-31T17:42:43 < Tectu> works
2017-12-31T17:42:43 < Tectu> thx <3
2017-12-31T17:42:49 < dongs> vertical split is pretty nice too
2017-12-31T17:43:01 < dongs> i saw a 3840x1080piss curved screen @ best korea
2017-12-31T17:43:13 < ReadErr> dude i got a widescreen shit
2017-12-31T17:43:18 < ReadErr> fuck a regular 4k
2017-12-31T17:43:23 < dongs> it took up as much space as my 2 4Ks side by side
2017-12-31T17:43:26 < dongs> at 1/4 the rez
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2017-12-31T17:43:43 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/59e9f449/image.png
2017-12-31T17:43:51 < Tectu> I read about cross probing stuff in the new AD18 release. any idea how to do that? eg. selecting a wire in schematics and highlighting the net in the PCB layouter
2017-12-31T17:43:51 < ReadErr> my gay lil computer
2017-12-31T17:44:14 < dongs> Tectu: thats always been there
2017-12-31T17:44:17 < dongs> but its disabled by default for some reason
2017-12-31T17:44:18 < ReadErr> curved for your pleasure too
2017-12-31T17:44:21 < dongs> and there's an option that you must turn off
2017-12-31T17:44:52 < dongs> tools->prefs->system->navigation
2017-12-31T17:44:55 < dongs> enable cross selection
2017-12-31T17:45:00 < dongs> and turn OFF [ ] Nets
2017-12-31T17:45:03 < dongs> in same area
2017-12-31T17:45:35 < ReadErr> how is 18?
2017-12-31T17:45:39 < dongs> gross
2017-12-31T17:45:40 < ReadErr> is it 64bit yet
2017-12-31T17:45:48 < dongs> yes but still delphi
2017-12-31T17:45:56 < dongs> gerber generation on the other hand is instant
2017-12-31T17:46:06 < ReadErr> so when it crashes can it only max out 1 core still?
2017-12-31T17:46:09 < dongs> yes
2017-12-31T17:46:31 < ReadErr> have they removed that nasty gerber shit
2017-12-31T17:46:33 < ReadErr> they had before
2017-12-31T17:46:39 < ReadErr> from 1999
2017-12-31T17:46:42 < dongs> camtastic? it sucks a bit less now
2017-12-31T17:46:44 < dongs> but still bad
2017-12-31T17:46:57 < dongs> they did remove FPGA shit finally
2017-12-31T17:47:01 < dongs> install size halved
2017-12-31T17:47:10 < ReadErr> good extra trash that was in my torrent
2017-12-31T17:47:24 < Tectu> dongs, why am I suspposed to uncheck the nets stuff?
2017-12-31T17:47:34 < dongs> tectu, because when you select something on schematic
2017-12-31T17:47:39 < dongs> chances are, you onl want the components
2017-12-31T17:47:43 < dongs> so you can move htem into some place
2017-12-31T17:47:44 < dongs> as a group
2017-12-31T17:47:53 < dongs> and NOT ENTIRE GND NET OF ENTIRE BOARD
2017-12-31T17:48:08 < Tectu> I see
2017-12-31T17:48:17 < dongs> it was off by default
2017-12-31T17:48:19 < dongs> since forever
2017-12-31T17:48:24 < Tectu> still not working, do I need to restart?
2017-12-31T17:48:24 < dongs> and they turned it on in like 17.1 or so
2017-12-31T17:48:27 < dongs> no
2017-12-31T17:48:45 < dongs> tools->cross select shouild be enabled
2017-12-31T17:48:48 < dongs> after you made that pref
2017-12-31T17:48:56 < Tectu> I did that
2017-12-31T17:49:23 < Tectu> aaah
2017-12-31T17:49:26 < Tectu> so wtf
2017-12-31T17:49:30 < Tectu> there's an enable and disable
2017-12-31T17:49:35 < Tectu> tool
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2017-12-31T17:49:39 < Tectu> and then again in the preferences?!
2017-12-31T17:49:48 < dongs> yeah no idea why
2017-12-31T17:49:53 < dongs> turning it off in menu turns it off in prefs, too
2017-12-31T17:50:34 < Tectu> that shit is somehow not working
2017-12-31T17:50:36 < Tectu> not sure if doing it wrong
2017-12-31T17:50:53 < ReadErr> you a recovering kikad'er ?
2017-12-31T17:51:09 < Tectu> my way: eagle -> kicad -> diptrace -> altidongs
2017-12-31T17:51:58 < dongs> Tectu: how is it not working
2017-12-31T17:52:48 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/0eGh6AO.png
2017-12-31T17:54:13 < Tectu> dongs, I select a component on the board with cross selection on and nothing happens in the schematic
2017-12-31T17:54:17 < Tectu> same the other way around
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2017-12-31T17:54:28 < dongs> works for me
2017-12-31T17:54:33 < dongs> the screenshot is me clicking schematic
2017-12-31T17:54:45 < dongs> i repeated same thing from pcb and it re-slected schematic
2017-12-31T17:57:25 < ReadErr> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/crypto/stm32/stm32-hash.c
2017-12-31T17:57:30 < ReadErr> how the hell is this interfaced
2017-12-31T17:57:54 < Tectu> dongs, is there a way to enable "contrast selection" or however that's called? The 'h' feature of dicktrace
2017-12-31T17:58:41 < dongs> yeah live highlighting
2017-12-31T17:58:44 < dongs> also off by default dont know why
2017-12-31T17:59:07 < Steffanx> I almost get the idea it's for lunix on the stm32 ReadErr. Since this refers to f456 and f756 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/crypto/st%2Cstm32-hash.txt
2017-12-31T17:59:10 < Tectu> seems to be enabled in ad18 by default
2017-12-31T17:59:19 < dongs> its not
2017-12-31T17:59:20 < ReadErr> Steffanx: i thought that
2017-12-31T17:59:21 < Tectu> dongs, what's the shortcuttery for that
2017-12-31T17:59:24 < ReadErr> but they have stuff for other hardware
2017-12-31T17:59:29 < ReadErr> that wouldnt be running lunix
2017-12-31T17:59:33 < ReadErr> in the same subdir
2017-12-31T17:59:33 < Tectu> dongs,  pcb editor -> board insight display -> live highlighting is enabled here
2017-12-31T17:59:47 < dongs> uncheck the one under it tho
2017-12-31T17:59:51 < dongs> to highlight while holding shift
2017-12-31T17:59:54 < dongs> cuz thats retarded
2017-12-31T18:00:09 < dongs> thats the one that became on by default in 17.something
2017-12-31T18:00:27 < Tectu> ok, thx
2017-12-31T18:00:53 < Steffanx> but they did add the docs and driver in the same patch ReadErr.
2017-12-31T18:01:05 < ReadErr> docs hmm missed those
2017-12-31T18:01:29 < Steffanx> oh, i meant the device tree documentaiton
2017-12-31T18:03:04 < ReadErr>           This enables support for the CRC32 hw accelerator which can be found
2017-12-31T18:03:04 < ReadErr> 	  on STMicroelectronics STM32 SOC.
2017-12-31T18:03:21 < ReadErr> depends on ARCH_STM32
2017-12-31T18:03:23 < ReadErr> guess so
2017-12-31T18:03:34 < dongs> it is literally for when you compile lunix on stm32
2017-12-31T18:03:47 < ReadErr> why the hell would you do that
2017-12-31T18:05:00 < gnom> hi all !!!
2017-12-31T18:05:27 < Steffanx> Hello gnom
2017-12-31T18:05:47 < Steffanx> "Why the hell would you want to compile lunix" <= ReadErr
2017-12-31T18:06:05 < Steffanx>  ##stm32-opinions (tm)
2017-12-31T18:06:20 < gnom> how to replace pins of D11 to D13 in FSMC
2017-12-31T18:06:24 < gnom> please
2017-12-31T18:06:36 < gnom> -  GPIO_InitStruct.Pin = GPIO_PIN_8|GPIO_PIN_9|GPIO_PIN_10|GPIO_PIN_11
2017-12-31T18:06:36 < gnom> +  GPIO_InitStruct.Pin = GPIO_PIN_8|GPIO_PIN_9|GPIO_PIN_10|GPIO_PIN_13
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2017-12-31T18:06:49 < dongs> ??
2017-12-31T18:06:51 < gnom> consruction no work
2017-12-31T18:06:53 < dongs> "replace"?
2017-12-31T18:07:01 < dongs> FSMC pins aren't reassignable
2017-12-31T18:07:08 < dongs> if you fucked up your pcb, remake it
2017-12-31T18:07:51 < gnom> in me board pin 13 connected to data/command
2017-12-31T18:08:06 < gnom> D13
2017-12-31T18:08:41 < Tectu> what?
2017-12-31T18:08:59 < ReadErr> english, please, gnom
2017-12-31T18:09:02 < Tectu> then you screwed it up as dongs said
2017-12-31T18:09:10 < Tectu> you cannot assign FSMC_D13 to another pin.
2017-12-31T18:09:37 < Steffanx> Did you make the board yourself gnom?
2017-12-31T18:09:58 < dongs> with Eagle
2017-12-31T18:10:08 < gnom> whether there is no way to replace pins D11toD13 programmatically
2017-12-31T18:10:14 < Tectu> there is none.
2017-12-31T18:11:01 < dongs> what is data/command? this is for LCD shit?
2017-12-31T18:11:17 < dongs> you could run it in 8bit mode instead of 16
2017-12-31T18:11:25 < gnom> 16 bit
2017-12-31T18:11:27 < dongs> assuming you didn't fuckup D0..D7
2017-12-31T18:11:33 < dongs> yes, but you're fucked now that you swapped 11/13
2017-12-31T18:12:04 < Tectu> better blame ugfx
2017-12-31T18:12:12 < dongs> 16bit isn't gonna work until you fix teh signals
2017-12-31T18:13:14 < Steffanx> Tectu, ugfx is not to be mentioned in ##stm32.
2017-12-31T18:14:15 < dongs> banned word?
2017-12-31T18:15:14 < ReadErr> hm so
2017-12-31T18:15:16 < ReadErr> esp32
2017-12-31T18:15:20 < ReadErr> might be even better for this
2017-12-31T18:16:02 < gnom> thanks all
2017-12-31T18:17:02 < dongs> what speed can espshit core offload?
2017-12-31T18:17:17 < ReadErr> the clockspeed is pretty stout, 240mhz
2017-12-31T18:17:31 < dongs> so is F7
2017-12-31T18:17:34 < ReadErr> trying to find more about the crypto
2017-12-31T18:22:38 < ReadErr> https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf/blob/master/components/esp32/hwcrypto/aes.c
2017-12-31T18:23:18 < ReadErr> AES uses a spinlock mux not a lock as the underlying block operation
2017-12-31T18:23:18 < ReadErr> only takes 208 cycles (to write key & compute block), +600 cycles
2017-12-31T18:23:18 < ReadErr> for DPORT protection but +3400 cycles again if you use a full sized lock.
2017-12-31T18:23:18 < ReadErr> For CBC, CFB, etc. this may mean that interrupts are disabled for a longer
2017-12-31T18:23:19 < ReadErr> period of time for bigger lengths. However at the moment this has to happen
2017-12-31T18:23:20 < ReadErr> anyway due to DPORT protection...
2017-12-31T18:23:35 < dongs> wat
2017-12-31T18:23:41 < dongs> 3400 cycles sounds way worse than 18 on STM
2017-12-31T18:23:42 < ReadErr> no idea
2017-12-31T18:23:42 < dongs> lol
2017-12-31T18:23:48 < ReadErr> what that comes out to
2017-12-31T18:23:49 < dongs> if thats sysclk cycles
2017-12-31T18:24:04 < dongs> 18 @ 160Mhz = 150mb/sec
2017-12-31T18:24:11 < dongs> 3400 @ 240MHz = ??
2017-12-31T18:24:12 < dongs> but sounds bad
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2017-12-31T18:31:04 < ReadErr> https://hackaday.com/2017/06/20/practical-iot-cryptography-on-the-espressif-esp8266/
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2017-12-31T18:33:26 < ReadErr> damn none of these noggers have benchmarks
2017-12-31T18:34:11 < Steffanx> so stop googling and start writing tha codes
2017-12-31T18:36:35 < dongs> cool
2017-12-31T18:36:40 < dongs> looks like my TSC scanning stuff wroks
2017-12-31T18:37:02 < dongs> on a F303-disco which has no touchsense pins, but it goes through the motions at least
2017-12-31T18:49:23 < ReadErr> https://www.esp32.com/viewtopic.php?t=3080&start=10
2017-12-31T18:50:30 < ReadErr> 2-) I made some test and benchmark's with 4 and 250 encryptations 128bits. The results were surprising and inverse, see:
2017-12-31T18:50:31 < ReadErr> 2.1-) HWCrypto and 4 encrypts. Total time: 125uS
2017-12-31T18:51:12 < ReadErr> thats at 80mhz
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2017-12-31T19:09:13 < englishman> encryptations
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2017-12-31T19:16:49 < ReadErr> 20.3.5 Speed
2017-12-31T19:16:49 < ReadErr> The AES Accelerator requires 11 to 15 clock cycles to encrypt a message block, and 21 or 22 clock cycles to
2017-12-31T19:16:49 < ReadErr> decrypt a message block.
2017-12-31T19:26:09 < ReadErr> shame theres no usb
2017-12-31T19:28:44 < Laurenceb_> esp32 actually looks quite pro
2017-12-31T19:28:52 < Laurenceb_> pity about adc
2017-12-31T19:31:29 < englishman> wow a 2nd via broke in my volvo keyfob
2017-12-31T19:31:44 < ReadErr> hmm wonder if SDIO can be abused
2017-12-31T19:33:37 < Laurenceb_> take a seat over there
2017-12-31T19:33:44 < ReadErr> 50mhz
2017-12-31T19:33:47 < Laurenceb_> englishman is a volvo diver?
2017-12-31T19:35:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=volvo%20driver
2017-12-31T19:36:41 < englishman> added bodge wire, works perfectly again
2017-12-31T19:36:44 < englishman> says made in IRELAND
2017-12-31T19:37:51 < Laurenceb_> the eternal TAIG
2017-12-31T19:38:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/the-female-nhs-nurse-i-asked-for-came-with-stubble-83rq9p0gg
2017-12-31T19:38:33 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure I like englishman now I know he is a volvo driver
2017-12-31T19:38:51 < englishman> did you like me before
2017-12-31T19:39:10 < dongs> i'd be more worried about him using Go
2017-12-31T19:39:18 < englishman> fuck off Go is awesome
2017-12-31T19:39:32 < dongs> as awesome as lunix on desktop
2017-12-31T19:39:33 < englishman> also i can feel like a swedish businessman
2017-12-31T19:40:16 < ReadErr> The SDIO Device Interface block enables effective communication with the external Host by directly providing
2017-12-31T19:40:16 < ReadErr> SDIO interface registers and enabling DMA operation for high-speed data transfer over the Advanced
2017-12-31T19:40:16 < ReadErr> High-performance Bus (AHB) without engaging the CPU.
2017-12-31T19:40:42 < ReadErr> SDIO might be even better than usb shit onboard
2017-12-31T19:41:22 < ReadErr> 512byte block, 4bit, 50mhz, dma
2017-12-31T19:41:46 < ReadErr> is that alot
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2017-12-31T19:46:14 < ReadErr> wow those EZ-USB FX3 shits arent cheap
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2017-12-31T19:47:37 < Laurenceb_> <englishman> also i can feel like a swedish businessman
2017-12-31T19:47:41 < Laurenceb_> >S W E D E N
2017-12-31T19:48:03 < englishman> did you get your motorcar license yet
2017-12-31T19:49:16 < Laurenceb_>  ^ countertrolld
2017-12-31T19:49:16 < Steffanx> haha.
2017-12-31T19:49:31 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx confirmed as closet Swede
2017-12-31T19:49:52 < Steffanx> Luckily you got trolled with facts.
2017-12-31T19:50:55 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEolSjlcqng
2017-12-31T19:51:33 < upgrdman> expensive, but wow, an FDM printer that can do nylon66, carbon fiber, etc.   http://www.mankati.com/e180
2017-12-31T19:51:54 < Laurenceb_> Nonce Sense is now FACT!
2017-12-31T19:52:09 < Laurenceb_> >not printing Nylon666
2017-12-31T19:52:32 < Steffanx> upgrdman, it's cheating. I think you can modify yours to do carbon fiber too
2017-12-31T19:52:46 < Steffanx> Its just the normal filament with carbon fibers.
2017-12-31T19:53:17 < ReadErr> not continuous strands w
2017-12-31T19:53:17 < Steffanx> It will destroy your normall brass nozzle in no time though.
2017-12-31T19:53:20 < ReadErr> whats the point
2017-12-31T19:53:48 < englishman> like eating glitter pills
2017-12-31T19:53:51 < englishman> to poop out glitter
2017-12-31T19:54:03 < Steffanx> sounds like something you would try.
2017-12-31T19:54:08 < englishman> which also ruins the sleeve it passes thru
2017-12-31T19:54:33 < Steffanx> Happy new year btw, dongs.
2017-12-31T19:54:44 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-31T19:54:53 < dongs> youre 3 hours late
2017-12-31T19:54:56 < upgrdman> but seriously tho, being able to printer nylon66? that sounds awesome
2017-12-31T19:54:58 < Steffanx> yea i know
2017-12-31T19:55:12 < dongs> is there nylon666
2017-12-31T19:55:16 < Steffanx> You also get filament with real metal parts in it upgrdman
2017-12-31T19:56:45 < upgrdman> :/
2017-12-31T19:57:19 < Getty> oh shit, just got the prime years switch music combination.....
2017-12-31T19:57:21 < Steffanx> *have
2017-12-31T19:57:38 < Getty> ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST to exactly 0 oclock, and then at 0 clock starting WE WILL ROCK YOU
2017-12-31T19:59:57 < upgrdman> does CA glue PLA well?
2017-12-31T20:00:14 < ReadErr> lol
2017-12-31T20:00:17 < ReadErr> nothing does
2017-12-31T20:00:22 < upgrdman> k
2017-12-31T20:00:44 < ReadErr> prolly better off using a solvent
2017-12-31T20:00:51 < ReadErr> and melting the shit together
2017-12-31T20:04:08 < upgrdman> other than Mankati, anyone else to consider for sub-$5k higher quality 3d printers?
2017-12-31T20:04:31 < Laurenceb_> why the 3d printer obsession?
2017-12-31T20:04:40 < Laurenceb_> just pay for shit to be made properly
2017-12-31T20:05:13 < Steffanx> says Laurenceb_
2017-12-31T20:05:20 < englishman> at that price and in your country laurent is not exactly wrong
2017-12-31T20:06:19 < Laurenceb_> e.g. www.digits2widgets.com
2017-12-31T20:09:30 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, got a makerbutt pooplicator at work. now i want to 3d printer shit for robot projects. (just for fun) and im not poor, so im more concerned about quality (but dont want to waste money)
2017-12-31T20:09:44 < upgrdman> and i'd rather not wait for parts to be shipped to me
2017-12-31T20:09:58 < Steffanx> For robotics quality doesnt really matter.. does it?
2017-12-31T20:10:03 < Steffanx> Otherwise just sand it a bit.
2017-12-31T20:10:20 < upgrdman> if i can pay a little more and get better results... why not
2017-12-31T20:10:23 < Steffanx> Do some primer, sand a bit more and its nice :P
2017-12-31T20:10:56 < upgrdman> and quality would matter for things like small-ish gears
2017-12-31T20:11:04 < Laurenceb_> SLS pwns filament for quality
2017-12-31T20:11:24 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, ya but im not sure i want to spend more than $5k
2017-12-31T20:11:34 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-12-31T20:11:44 < Laurenceb_> project idea: diy friendly SLS
2017-12-31T20:11:49 < Steffanx> Did you even try yet upgrdman?
2017-12-31T20:11:51 < Laurenceb_> CO2 lasers are cheap
2017-12-31T20:11:54 < Steffanx> Print at 0.1mm?
2017-12-31T20:11:59 < Steffanx> Not to fast.
2017-12-31T20:12:12 < upgrdman> Steffanx, yes
2017-12-31T20:12:20 < upgrdman> just trashed some bevel gears :/
2017-12-31T20:12:25 < upgrdman> thrashed*
2017-12-31T20:12:33 < upgrdman> err no, trashed*
2017-12-31T20:12:56 < englishman> Laurenceb_: you mean Peachy Printer
2017-12-31T20:12:58 < upgrdman> and yes, im using the makerbutt's best resoltion, .1mm
2017-12-31T20:13:02 < Steffanx> because quality or becaus strenght sucked?
2017-12-31T20:13:20 < Steffanx> or because misconfiguration?
2017-12-31T20:13:42 < upgrdman> quality. not sharp but "blurry" ... and the x-axis is wobbly (which i may try to fix with some part branjb linked)
2017-12-31T20:13:48 < upgrdman> *z-axis
2017-12-31T20:14:11 < Thorn> Uranium Metal From Ore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl3NamzoFrM
2017-12-31T20:14:25 < englishman> that is not a cat
2017-12-31T20:14:30 < Laurenceb_> diy Kim Jung when
2017-12-31T20:15:06 < Laurenceb_> englishman: peachy printer is UV+resin
2017-12-31T20:15:11 < Laurenceb_> that shit is shit tier
2017-12-31T20:15:23 < Laurenceb_> its carcinogenic too
2017-12-31T20:15:27 < Steffanx> Better get a 3d cnc or something upgrdman :P
2017-12-31T20:15:35 < Thorn> here is your cat englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwNbzCniQ5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_SY60YXvy0
2017-12-31T20:15:58 < Laurenceb_> I managed to melt my last UV resin parts by trying to clean the uncured resin off with warm water
2017-12-31T20:16:04 < Laurenceb_> melting point is about 50C
2017-12-31T20:16:44 < Laurenceb_> oh and sunlight kills them in weeks
2017-12-31T20:16:46 < upgrdman> so back to my q, i take it theres not much in that range?
2017-12-31T20:16:48 < upgrdman> re: <upgrdman> other than Mankati, anyone else to consider for sub-$5k higher quality 3d printers?
2017-12-31T20:17:14 < Laurenceb_> and the material is even weaker than filament, even at 20C
2017-12-31T20:18:00 < englishman> t y
2017-12-31T20:18:10 < Laurenceb_> diy SLS metal using alibaba CO2 laser would be epin
2017-12-31T20:18:14 < Steffanx> *+ welcome
2017-12-31T20:28:04 < Steffanx> Shouldnt you be walking on the streets doing fireworks Laurenceb_?
2017-12-31T20:28:16 < Steffanx> Or is that another forbidden thing in the UK?
2017-12-31T20:29:02 < Laurenceb_> yay lets fire heavy metal pollution into the sky
2017-12-31T20:29:27 < Steffanx> Yeah, somehow i got the idea that is the thing you do. Making nottingham streets unsafe.
2017-12-31T20:29:58 < englishman> laurent sure seems like a party animal
2017-12-31T20:30:30 < englishman> he will be launching the most efficient of heavy metals into the sky. for science
2017-12-31T20:31:23 < Steffanx> http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/1266f14a_XiaoYing_Video_1514727896377.mp4.mp4.mp4 that's more dutchland style.
2017-12-31T20:32:09 < Laurenceb_> shottingham
2017-12-31T20:32:52 < Laurenceb_> >_making_ them unsafe
2017-12-31T20:33:14 < Laurenceb_> in the Detroit of Europe
2017-12-31T20:34:20 < Steffanx> I hardly know anything about the UK. All we hear about you guys is those road rages and the princes getting married.
2017-12-31T20:34:25 < englishman> i would really like to buy a surplus M777
2017-12-31T20:34:36 < englishman> they are in the same class as general hunting rifles etc
2017-12-31T20:34:45 < Steffanx> Can i make a donation?
2017-12-31T20:35:07 < Steffanx> *do
2017-12-31T20:35:55 < englishman> yes once i have one secured
2017-12-31T20:36:09 < englishman> it can go towards the manufacture of legal projectiles
2017-12-31T20:37:36 < englishman> blackpowder cannon are even more legal and can be purchased without a license
2017-12-31T20:37:39 < englishman> would love a few of those
2017-12-31T20:38:02 < Thorn> I hope you aren't shooting mountain lions
2017-12-31T20:38:04 < Steffanx> googled it, ebay is the first hit :D
2017-12-31T20:38:05 < Thorn> or lynx
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2017-12-31T20:38:39 < englishman> no Thorn there will be no kitties shot here
2017-12-31T20:38:42 < Steffanx> He will shoot cats, Thorn. He is into shooting cats.
2017-12-31T20:42:53 < Laurenceb_> good
2017-12-31T20:43:07 < Laurenceb_> the cats need to die
2017-12-31T20:54:39 < Laurenceb_> the kangz have a lot to answer for
2017-12-31T20:55:20 < Laurenceb_> we wuz cat breeder an sheeettt
2017-12-31T21:00:04 < Steffanx> english please.
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2017-12-31T21:08:53 < Laurenceb_> >what are Egyptians
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2017-12-31T21:30:38 < kikes> no powder found
2017-12-31T21:30:38 < kikes> only hard artificial snow
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2017-12-31T21:33:26 < kikes> but slopes were pretty nice and gondola lift was game changer
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2017-12-31T21:44:48 < kikes> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JZWke4K8B6dOahmnS9yNCRBag_v7Wf0i/view?usp=sharing
2017-12-31T21:58:11 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4F2X1xSc8 this kind of stuff is what I'm looking for
2017-12-31T21:58:29 < kikes> not that hardcore but basically same thing on my level
2017-12-31T21:59:35 < kikes> I'm crashing.. friends are pumpin for going out
2017-12-31T21:59:54 < kikes> I'm naked from sauna in my bed paying bills and tired as hell
2017-12-31T22:09:42 < Steffanx> Welcome kikes
2017-12-31T22:10:58 < Steffanx> You're getting old kikes
2017-12-31T22:11:51 < kikes> it's good to be old
2017-12-31T22:12:39 < Laurenceb_> nakedposting
2017-12-31T22:12:42 < Laurenceb_> no homo
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2017-12-31T22:13:32 < kikes> R2COM, when I have money
2017-12-31T22:13:58 < kikes> more than half of my friends use "services"
2017-12-31T22:14:25 < kikes> I don't think it's illegal
2017-12-31T22:15:14 < kikes> there is zero "street girls"
2017-12-31T22:15:50 < kikes> but there is these web sites that have your area girls
2017-12-31T22:16:21 < kikes> :]
2017-12-31T22:16:36 < kikes> you don't need a website for it though
2017-12-31T22:17:28 < kikes> :o
2017-12-31T22:19:34 < kikes> in here it's college girls and such - normal people that need money for X
2017-12-31T22:19:57 < kikes> not too much of an actual profession
2017-12-31T22:20:29 < Steffanx> is this finland or still sweden kikes?
2017-12-31T22:20:38 < kikes> fin
2017-12-31T22:22:17 < kikes> cool
2017-12-31T22:22:25 < kikes> but I don't like college
2017-12-31T22:22:31 < kikes> wait.. university
2017-12-31T22:22:42 < kikes> college was a time ago
2017-12-31T22:23:07 < kikes> college is free
2017-12-31T22:23:24 < kikes> my friend did college in 2years without paying a penny
2017-12-31T22:24:04 < kikes> I think he didn't pay for a single book
2017-12-31T22:27:22 < kikes> mad stingy russian - in his mindset school was probably stealing his time and owed him money for it
2017-12-31T22:27:37 < kikes> but free food!
2017-12-31T22:28:14 < kikes> he half assed everything but I was just one grade better in everything than him
2017-12-31T22:28:45 < kikes> so effectivelly he won
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2017-12-31T23:09:09 < englishman> happy birthday, 2018
2017-12-31T23:11:47 < PaulFertser> Heh
2017-12-31T23:30:38 < Steffanx> Same to you mr englishman
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