--- Log opened Mon Jan 01 00:00:37 2018 2018-01-01T00:16:10 < Tectu> altium 3d shit is pretty fancy. much better than anything I've seen so far. It's actually useful and not just for the giggles 2018-01-01T00:18:52 < Steffanx> Im happy that it makes Tectu happy 2018-01-01T00:19:05 < Tectu> cross selection somehow still not forking though 2018-01-01T00:51:24 < Laurenceb_> Tectu is making 3d waifu amirite? 2018-01-01T00:52:49 < Tectu> very kawaii waifu 2018-01-01T01:02:55 < Laurenceb_> THE CURRENT YEAR 2018-01-01T01:03:05 < Laurenceb_> current year in GERMany is 2018 2018-01-01T01:03:13 < Laurenceb_> current year in Brexshit is 2017 2018-01-01T01:03:22 < Laurenceb_> bigots btfo 2018-01-01T01:03:36 < Laurenceb_> literally dinosaurs 2018-01-01T01:29:05 < Cracki> happy concrete bollards of peace! 2018-01-01T01:52:26 < Laurenceb_> figure 1 looks relevant to my interests https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c74e/4c5e8468f04d1e356890c371eee51e068343.pdf 2018-01-01T01:52:45 < Laurenceb_> how antiquated in UK now 2018-01-01T01:56:38 < Cracki> sounds like a cat purr simulator 2018-01-01T02:02:35 < Steffanx> Happy new year Laurenceb_ 2018-01-01T02:02:43 < Steffanx> And the others in 2018. 2018-01-01T02:03:27 < Laurenceb_> u too 2018-01-01T02:03:49 < Laurenceb_> uk is now more progressive than USA 2018-01-01T02:10:54 < englishman> whats the best lunix distro 2018-01-01T02:10:59 < Laurenceb_> madriva 2018-01-01T02:11:08 < englishman> i think Tectu has me on ignore 2018-01-01T02:12:24 < Laurenceb_> I dont have one 2018-01-01T02:12:32 < Laurenceb_> so imaginary grrl then? 2018-01-01T02:12:36 < Laurenceb_> ie ur hand 2018-01-01T02:12:48 < Steffanx> He has this aunt.. 2018-01-01T02:12:56 < Steffanx> Cant he have her Laurenceb_ ? 2018-01-01T02:13:04 < Laurenceb_> sure she is on pornhub 2018-01-01T02:13:22 < Steffanx> Or not 2018-01-01T02:14:36 < Laurenceb_> if u liek ur hairy 80s vagoo 2018-01-01T02:14:54 < Laurenceb_> protip: search for "ben dover" 2018-01-01T02:15:20 < Laurenceb_> inb4 "is the video called 'fancy an Indian?'" 2018-01-01T02:15:59 < englishman> Laurenceb_ you should come to usa to find waifu https://i.imgur.com/FBfCHKR.jpg 2018-01-01T02:16:32 < Laurenceb_> >what is a producer 2018-01-01T02:17:39 < Laurenceb_> R2COM confirmed as never watched pronz 2018-01-01T02:19:01 < Laurenceb_> seriously 2018-01-01T02:19:14 < Laurenceb_> do u even pronz connoisseur? 2018-01-01T02:19:42 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-45 my sides 2018-01-01T02:21:16 < Laurenceb_> I'm not going to link u directly 2018-01-01T02:21:30 < Laurenceb_> u will have to watch Ben Dover videos to guess 2018-01-01T02:21:40 < Laurenceb_> cuz ud probably harass her 2018-01-01T02:21:55 < Laurenceb_> cuz u are an irc pervert 2018-01-01T02:22:34 < Tectu> any recommendations for an rs485 interface chip? 2018-01-01T02:47:01 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-01T02:51:22 < aandrew> Tectu: what do you mean, physical layer only or the uart too 2018-01-01T03:11:40 < englishman> ubuntu doesnt have wifi drivers outofthebox on brand new laptop 2018-01-01T03:11:54 < englishman> certainly looking like 2018 might not be the year of the lunix desktop 2018-01-01T03:24:58 < englishman> what a fucking joke 2018-01-01T03:27:58 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2018-01-01T03:39:57 -!- R0b0t1 [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-01T03:42:30 -!- R0b0t1 [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T04:15:29 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-01T04:16:11 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T04:22:45 < dongs> R2COM: maybe, not sure tho, i didnt look 2018-01-01T04:25:07 < emeb_mac> R2COM: making an arbitrary wave generator? 2018-01-01T04:29:10 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCYcSrkRpEs#t=1m20s RIP zano 2018-01-01T04:35:40 < emeb_mac> haha 2018-01-01T04:37:26 < emeb_mac> I was driving around last week and passed a business sign somewhere out in the boonies that said "Zano" on it. 2018-01-01T04:37:26 < emeb_mac> immediately thought of dongs 2018-01-01T04:37:26 < emeb_mac> almost stopped an took a picture for you 2018-01-01T04:40:35 < emeb_mac> google provides: https://goo.gl/maps/ZZV8njYUzoF2 2018-01-01T04:40:45 < dongs> haha 2018-01-01T04:41:02 < dongs> wow, since 2005 2018-01-01T04:41:35 < emeb_mac> inb4 failsauce 2018-01-01T05:04:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-01T05:07:11 < Tectu> dongs, up? 2018-01-01T05:15:20 < dongs> ya 2018-01-01T05:15:24 < dongs> my dong's always up 2018-01-01T05:21:06 < Tectu> dongs, how can I create a simple freaking rectangular PCB of a given size? 2018-01-01T05:21:50 < dongs> pkt, draw it, select any edge, tab, dsd 2018-01-01T05:23:01 < Tectu> pkt? is that shortcut wizardry again? in my case pk leads to keepout menu 2018-01-01T05:23:10 < dongs> yes 2018-01-01T05:23:14 < dongs> just press it negro 2018-01-01T05:23:19 < dongs> and draw the outline 2018-01-01T05:23:47 < dongs> you can use g to set grid to mm, or j + x/y coords to go to specific position 2018-01-01T05:23:56 < dongs> after pkt 2018-01-01T05:24:03 < Tectu> all keepouts are gray'd out 2018-01-01T05:24:19 < dongs> are y ou in 2D pcb view 2018-01-01T05:24:24 < Tectu> yes 2018-01-01T05:25:05 < dongs> and you have a keepout layer in the bottom layer list? 2018-01-01T05:26:18 < Tectu> ah, needed to select it 2018-01-01T05:27:16 < Tectu> your shortcut wizardry is pretty impressive 2018-01-01T05:30:46 < dongs> it works for me on any layer , but you might need to have it *shown* from the layer dialog for the stuff to be enabled 2018-01-01T05:37:43 < Tectu> how can 'r' not be the shortcut for rotate 2018-01-01T05:37:52 < dongs> because its space 2018-01-01T05:39:04 < Tectu> so do you create ALL components yourself? even stuff like headers? 2018-01-01T05:39:09 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-01T05:39:15 < dongs> the onlycorrect way 2018-01-01T05:39:22 < dongs> why wuld making headers be hard? 2018-01-01T05:39:25 < dongs> its like the simplest thing 2018-01-01T05:39:30 < dongs> make one pad, array copy w/pitch 2018-01-01T05:39:51 < Tectu> how about 3d crappery? 2018-01-01T05:40:08 < dongs> 3dcontentcentral or official manufacturer models 2018-01-01T05:40:25 < dongs> samtec has a nice parametric 3d model generator, ive used that for random pin headers 2018-01-01T05:40:34 < Tectu> how do you organize libraries? stuff like "connectors.lib"? do you use those schematic libraries for that? 2018-01-01T05:41:09 < dongs> nah i have a main lib where all my common shit is and sometimes make project-specific libs if they're for a customer or something that I know I won't use again 2018-01-01T05:41:59 < dongs> sometimes i pull shit from altidumb vault if im lazy to make the symbol myself 2018-01-01T05:42:18 < Tectu> can you pull just symbols and store in custom libz? 2018-01-01T05:42:22 < dongs> but they usually dont follow my own style of stuff so I maybe just use it to get all the pins named and wipe all the other stuff it comes with 2018-01-01T05:42:29 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-01T05:42:41 < dongs> or just open vault component, select+copy and paste into new symbol in your own lib 2018-01-01T05:43:09 < dongs> vault shit also has way too much useless metadata 2018-01-01T05:43:19 < dongs> like supplier/pricing/blabla it makes shit slow each time you open it as it tries to query it 2018-01-01T05:43:51 < Tectu> yeah, I figured 2018-01-01T05:45:30 < Tectu> better share lib 2018-01-01T05:45:55 < dongs> naww. its pretty easy to make your own. and makes same style/quality across all components 2018-01-01T05:51:31 < Tectu> thanks for all the help. much appreciated. 2018-01-01T05:54:35 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-01T05:55:24 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T06:18:33 < upgrdman> holy shit, it works. remember that centipede robot idea i had? just 3d printed a prototype leg system, and it works. 2018-01-01T06:18:48 < upgrdman> i need to fix some geometry issues and tolerances, but it fucking works: 2018-01-01T06:18:49 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hByA5cgBis 2018-01-01T06:25:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2018-01-01T06:33:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T06:37:04 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-01T06:39:13 < boB_K7IQ> nice robotic video, upgrdman 2018-01-01T06:39:33 < upgrdman> thx 2018-01-01T06:40:36 < boB_K7IQ> Looks like I was already subscribed to your tooob 2018-01-01T06:40:49 < boB_K7IQ> Love the auto-scaling on the graphs 2018-01-01T06:41:09 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-01T06:57:45 < dongs> so many wasted IRQ vectors on F302RE 2018-01-01T06:57:53 < dongs> whole bunch are reserved 2018-01-01T06:57:59 < dongs> but for some fucked up reason EXTI and TSC are merged 2018-01-01T07:08:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-01T07:40:22 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/s4lPJOe.jpg 2018-01-01T07:41:04 < dongs> typical use for vr 2018-01-01T07:41:38 < dongs> onlinegdb.com is pretty nice 2018-01-01T07:41:44 < dongs> i mean for being gdb 2018-01-01T07:45:56 < emeb_mac> cool 2018-01-01T07:47:38 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T07:48:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-01T07:50:57 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-01T07:51:00 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-01T08:02:24 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2018-01-01T08:02:45 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T08:05:24 < emeb_mac> all work and no play... 2018-01-01T08:06:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T08:11:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-01T08:14:10 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-01T08:33:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T08:37:48 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T09:14:07 < englishman> well looks like wifi on this laptop that uses 3 year old realtek chip requires recompiling kernel 2018-01-01T09:14:45 < dongs> is it EOL from realtek yet 2018-01-01T09:15:54 < englishman> http://www.realtek.com/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=59&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=375 2018-01-01T09:15:58 < englishman> works fine on windows 10 2018-01-01T09:16:32 < dongs> sounds like gross chinese shit 2018-01-01T09:16:42 < dongs> what garbage "laptop" is this that doesnt use intel minipcie card 2018-01-01T09:16:53 < dongs> some atom crap? 2018-01-01T09:17:15 < englishman> yes some cheap laptops 2018-01-01T09:17:19 < englishman> like $200 2018-01-01T09:17:39 < englishman> too awesome for lunix to support i guess 2018-01-01T09:18:00 < dongs> i remembre reading some analtech article about chuwi laptops 2018-01-01T09:18:05 < dongs> and a bunch of lunix faggots were in comments 2018-01-01T09:18:20 < dongs> "the first model supported lunix then a few months later they made it cheaper and removed all lunix-supported hwardware" 2018-01-01T09:18:23 < dongs> "what faggots" etc 2018-01-01T09:18:34 < dongs> (meanwhile it works perfectly fine in win10 with no decrease in quality) 2018-01-01T09:18:42 < englishman> right 2018-01-01T09:18:54 < englishman> 2018 == year of lunix desktop 2018-01-01T09:19:10 < dongs> does lunix even have a usable desktop environment 2018-01-01T09:19:14 < dongs> there's liek 10 diffferent ones 2018-01-01T09:19:15 < englishman> ubuntu desnt even wake up from suspend 2018-01-01T09:19:18 < dongs> all broken in various stages 2018-01-01T09:19:23 < dongs> haha power management 2018-01-01T09:19:34 < englishman> no dude this is total filth 2018-01-01T09:19:40 < dongs> glad to see nearly 15 years of intel paying their engnierrs to write ACPi drivers for lunix still results in same faggot shit = failure 2018-01-01T09:19:57 < englishman> i have no idea which "distribution" to pick or why they are different 2018-01-01T09:20:10 < dongs> or why do they even exist 2018-01-01T09:20:46 < englishman> and nothing seems to support this 3 year old realtek wifi 2018-01-01T09:21:02 < dongs> i was helping some faggots setup lunixcnc and the issue was same 2018-01-01T09:21:08 < dongs> in-kernel realtek driver for ethernet simply didnt work 2018-01-01T09:21:16 < dongs> you had to download some .targz from realtek site and compile it 2018-01-01T09:21:25 < dongs> hilarious because if working shit exists why the fuck not use it? 2018-01-01T09:21:28 < dongs> oh but its NOT FREE EOUGH 2018-01-01T09:21:32 < dongs> fucking commies 2018-01-01T09:21:42 < englishman> i checked the box that says "use nonfaggot drivers" tho 2018-01-01T09:21:45 < englishman> still didnt work 2018-01-01T09:22:14 < dongs> imagine a grandma buying $200 laptop with lunix 2018-01-01T09:22:18 < englishman> https://elementary.io/ 2018-01-01T09:22:21 < englishman> why does this one want money 2018-01-01T09:22:24 < englishman> where is the download link? 2018-01-01T09:22:40 < dongs> click 'custom' payment 2018-01-01T09:22:42 < dongs> and enter ZERO 2018-01-01T09:22:46 < dongs> which is all the deserve 2018-01-01T09:22:47 < dongs> tehn click download 2018-01-01T09:23:00 < englishman> how passsive agressive 2018-01-01T09:23:41 < dongs> why the fuck would I ruin a working macbook with win10 2018-01-01T09:23:43 < dongs> by installing this filth 2018-01-01T09:23:58 < capacitor> lunix 2018-01-01T09:24:26 < capacitor> 'fast and open' 2018-01-01T09:24:39 < dongs> not sure if talking about goatse.cx 2018-01-01T09:24:42 < dongs> or a lunix install 2018-01-01T09:27:27 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/d0K5Klr.gifv 2018-01-01T09:29:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.136] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T09:31:26 < englishman> all the solutions involve connecting to the internet and downloading a ton of packages 2018-01-01T09:32:32 < dongs> yes, like that realtek shit ethernet 2018-01-01T09:33:01 < englishman> lol 2018-01-01T09:33:10 < englishman> ubuntu partition editor crashed formatting usb key 2018-01-01T09:33:15 < englishman> format in windows, its exfat 2018-01-01T09:33:18 < englishman> not supported in lunix 2018-01-01T09:33:36 < dongs> can't afford to pay micorosft that exfat license fee 2018-01-01T09:33:56 < capacitor> lol https://www.reddit.com/r/elementaryos/comments/7kzt9l/is_elementary_os_fixing_its_bugs/ 2018-01-01T09:34:05 < englishman> i cant wait to add up all this billable lunix jerkoff time 2018-01-01T09:34:07 < capacitor> pay for linux, still garbage 2018-01-01T09:34:46 < dongs> Open the Pantheon Terminal 2018-01-01T09:34:53 < dongs> read this as open the patreon terminal 2018-01-01T09:36:09 < dongs> Bug Description 2018-01-01T09:36:09 < dongs> on every boot, the desktop takes some time to load up all the things 2018-01-01T09:36:12 < dongs> w o w 2018-01-01T09:36:17 < dongs> some pro bug reporting there 2018-01-01T09:36:25 < dongs> why doesnt that faggot just run windows 2018-01-01T09:36:46 < dongs> elementary just sounds like jewbunto with shit renamed to 'elementary' 2018-01-01T09:36:50 < dongs> and probably wallpaper made less brown 2018-01-01T09:37:00 < dongs> a typical method for creating a new lunix distro 2018-01-01T09:37:28 < dongs> take $shit, rename to $shinyshit, change some wallpapers, make some more insignificant changes, fork some existing shit and piss off a few developers, and release. 2018-01-01T09:38:05 < capacitor> lol 2018-01-01T09:45:47 < capacitor> i'd like to yes mate 2018-01-01T09:45:52 < dongs> < R2COM> and crt some aussie faggot 2018-01-01T09:45:54 < dongs> ^ ftfy 2018-01-01T09:46:01 < capacitor> lol 2018-01-01T09:46:42 < capacitor> 2018 2018-01-01T09:46:43 < capacitor> that's about it 2018-01-01T09:47:21 < capacitor> better than last year that's for sure 2018-01-01T09:48:02 < capacitor> kim jong has a nuclear button attached to a penis pump 2018-01-01T09:48:08 < capacitor> that sounds good 2018-01-01T09:50:16 < capacitor> same 2018-01-01T09:50:43 < capacitor> (just reading the news) 2018-01-01T09:51:07 < capacitor> seems getting blackout drunk and driving into walls/people is the hot topic 2018-01-01T09:52:41 < englishman> wifi now works but no bluetooth 2018-01-01T09:52:53 < capacitor> yeah no cool guns here 2018-01-01T09:53:10 < capacitor> nice englishman 2018-01-01T09:53:21 < capacitor> sounds like my last linux caper 2018-01-01T09:54:45 < englishman> its a shame to take these fine working computers with windows 10 on them and install nonworking, nonsuspending, no wifi or bluetooth lunix 2018-01-01T09:54:59 < capacitor> it is 2018-01-01T09:55:23 < capacitor> why do you need to install that crap? 2018-01-01T09:56:21 < englishman> shitty reasons 2018-01-01T09:56:28 < englishman> i hope they still work fine after putting win10 back on 2018-01-01T09:57:05 < capacitor> after a bout of that shit i'd be worried too 2018-01-01T09:59:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-01T10:02:59 < englishman> reboot and wifi is gone 2018-01-01T10:15:42 < capacitor> the linux integration into the office didn't go well at all..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_FoFbAyVQk 2018-01-01T10:16:04 < PaulFertser> Why do you blame "lunix" and not vendors that do not provide drivers for their hardware? 2018-01-01T10:16:59 < dongs> PaulFertser: get real. no "vendor" wants to be fucked with supporting lunix because its a constant moving target 2018-01-01T10:17:12 < dongs> nobody wants to have full-time staff maintaining driver for $lunix_version_today 2018-01-01T10:17:38 < dongs> new kernel released? better hurry and recompile all drivers and hope they didnt change some low-level api again 2018-01-01T10:17:44 < PaulFertser> dongs: but in fact that's not true, e.g. Intel writes wifi drivers and adds needed features in the stack. 2018-01-01T10:17:46 < dongs> then multiply that * 100 for all the distros 2018-01-01T10:18:06 < dongs> PaulFertser: intel also has paid employees writing ACPI stack 2018-01-01T10:18:08 < PaulFertser> dongs: I'm not talking about out of tree drivers here. And all in-tree drivers continue to work with new releases. 2018-01-01T10:18:11 < dongs> for the last 15 years 2018-01-01T10:18:15 < dongs> and its still shit 2018-01-01T10:18:31 < dongs> PaulFertser: doesnt matter 2018-01-01T10:18:36 < dongs> users do not give a fuck 2018-01-01T10:18:41 < dongs> if its "in tree" or "out of tree" 2018-01-01T10:18:43 < dongs> their criteria is 2018-01-01T10:18:47 < dongs> "it works" or "it doesn't" 2018-01-01T10:18:52 < dongs> and its mostly hte latter with lunix 2018-01-01T10:19:42 < dongs> i install win10 1709 on pretty much any hardware and it just works 2018-01-01T10:19:45 < dongs> no questions asked 2018-01-01T10:20:57 < PaulFertser> dongs: you're shifting the focus here. Vendors invest plenty of time in doing drivers that pass microsoft certification etc. And they have to update it for the new windows versions. And when some vendor decides to not invest any real work (or even just share the register level documentation!) into Linux drivers, how is it Linux's fault? 2018-01-01T10:22:27 < dongs> PaulFertser: 32bit win2000 drivers still load and run on windows 10 32bit 2018-01-01T10:22:30 < dongs> 17 years later 2018-01-01T10:22:37 < dongs> *without recompile* 2018-01-01T10:22:40 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:e449:3c59:4f4b:c9f2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T10:22:51 < dongs> good luck getting a lunix driver from 17 days ago to run on -current lunix 2018-01-01T10:28:58 < englishman> how is the focus shifting 2018-01-01T10:29:03 < englishman> i am trying to use lunix and nothing works 2018-01-01T10:29:11 < englishman> this does not change by assigning blame 2018-01-01T10:30:22 < englishman> lunix just suspended to ram while installing updates 2018-01-01T10:31:13 < PaulFertser> dongs: the kernel is developed as one software product. All drivers share as much code as reasonable. That way they mutually benefit in quality and features. When internal APIs are changed, compile time tests are performed, and all the affected drivers are updated by whomever changes that API. 2018-01-01T10:32:38 < PaulFertser> englishman: heh, I've seen an acer laptop with _factory-reset windows 10_ that auto-suspended after 10 minutes of inactivity even when plugged to a wall-charger. So what? 2018-01-01T10:37:06 < englishman> sounds like normal behaviour when doing nothing 2018-01-01T10:37:12 < englishman> but when OS tools are running and working? 2018-01-01T10:37:59 < PaulFertser> englishman: windows 10 doesn't care either, it just suspended and all those background processes like "offline optimisation for .NET binaries" just never completed. 2018-01-01T10:38:08 < englishman> bullshit 2018-01-01T10:38:14 < PaulFertser> Seen that firsthand 2018-01-01T10:39:02 < PaulFertser> dongs: does windows 10 override user suspend settings when certain background processes are present? 2018-01-01T10:40:02 < PaulFertser> Where's the list of them? What capabilities/permissions are needed to be able to override user suspend settings? 2018-01-01T10:40:04 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-01T10:40:13 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T10:41:20 < englishman> apparently ubuntu 17 has the drivers i need included, but the download is disabled due to too many bugs 2018-01-01T10:43:08 < PaulFertser> And btw, in my personal opinion ubuntu and all of its derivatives are shitty on their own, and Linux kernel development model has nothing to do with that. 2018-01-01T10:52:54 < dongs> stemwin? 2018-01-01T10:52:56 < dongs> no its C 2018-01-01T10:53:07 < dongs> its emwin, from segger 2018-01-01T10:53:10 < dongs> ST version 2018-01-01T10:53:26 < dongs> it works 2018-01-01T11:54:34 < dongs> The MKVToolNix project now contains a [Code of Conduct](https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md). 2018-01-01T11:54:37 < dongs> haha 2018-01-01T11:54:57 < dongs> fucking SJW faggotry 2018-01-01T11:56:43 < Steffanx> Better not give a damn 2018-01-01T11:56:53 < dongs> i cant, i opened taht fucking commie trash to mux a mkv 2018-01-01T11:56:59 < dongs> and it popped that shit right in my face 2018-01-01T11:57:14 < dongs> like this is a noteworthy changelog item??? 2018-01-01T11:58:16 < Steffanx> Im going to make this ##stm32 rules rev 2018. 2018-01-01T11:59:08 < capacitor> sup 2018-01-01T11:59:11 < dongs> haha 2018-01-01T11:59:24 < dongs> will you write a #stm32 code of cuckduct 2018-01-01T11:59:26 < Steffanx> Happy 2018 +1 stvn 2018-01-01T11:59:34 < capacitor> o/ 2018-01-01T12:01:35 < Steffanx> Copy paste ofcourse dongs 2018-01-01T12:01:48 < Steffanx> Back in a soberish state capacitor ? 2018-01-01T12:01:55 < capacitor> hahaha 2018-01-01T12:02:11 < capacitor> just checkin the jogs.... dongs is the first person of the year to use 'the j word' 2018-01-01T12:02:30 < capacitor> *jlogs 2018-01-01T12:03:30 < capacitor> Steffanx: i had 4 beers last night 2018-01-01T12:08:02 < Steffanx> Theepot capacitor 2018-01-01T12:09:15 < capacitor> what do the dutch people say for 'capacitor' 2018-01-01T12:09:41 < Steffanx> Condensator 2018-01-01T12:10:25 < capacitor> condenser is the ancient term for cap, as reactor is for inductor yes? 2018-01-01T12:12:42 < dongs> akku 2018-01-01T12:12:51 < dongs> for filthy german fags 2018-01-01T12:13:02 < Steffanx> Idk mate capacitor 2018-01-01T12:14:02 < capacitor> i see 2018-01-01T12:17:10 < capacitor> this pleases me 2018-01-01T12:18:33 < Steffanx> Lol why 2018-01-01T12:21:47 < capacitor> idk 2018-01-01T12:33:27 < Steffanx> May the charge be with you in 2018, capacitor 2018-01-01T12:36:31 < capacitor> well thanks i guess 2018-01-01T12:36:47 < capacitor> it's going to be a lot better than 2017 i assure you 2018-01-01T12:39:26 < dongs> more pumping every day? 2018-01-01T12:40:12 < Steffanx> Did it say something about my future too capacitor? 2018-01-01T12:40:37 < capacitor> not sure 2018-01-01T12:40:42 < capacitor> something about stroopwafels 2018-01-01T12:41:52 < Steffanx> Damn, does that mean diabetus? 2018-01-01T12:44:51 < capacitor> n 2018-01-01T12:54:04 < dongs> kirkjohncollection.2005-07-25.rar 2018-01-01T12:54:06 < dongs> 550megs 2018-01-01T12:55:28 < Steffanx> Do i want to know dongs? 2018-01-01T13:00:44 < Steffanx> Happy new year superbia. Welcome. 2018-01-01T13:06:57 < dongs> steffan, im cleanin my raid 2018-01-01T13:08:10 < Steffanx> I googled the name and ended up with a single page result with torrent listings of some jappy crap, incest and that.. ty dongs. 2018-01-01T13:08:27 < dongs> haha 2018-01-01T13:08:34 < dongs> its kirk johnson collection 2018-01-01T13:09:00 < Steffanx> The boxer? The scientist the who? 2018-01-01T13:09:31 < dongs> no its the goatse.cx guy 2018-01-01T13:09:37 < Steffanx> oh noes. 2018-01-01T13:09:46 < Steffanx> Then i understand the related torrents on that page 2018-01-01T13:09:50 < dongs> haha 2018-01-01T13:10:38 < capacitor> wut 2018-01-01T13:13:27 < dongs> http://gawker.com/finding-goatse-the-mystery-man-behind-the-most-disturb-5899787 2018-01-01T13:16:01 < capacitor> Sometime in the late 20th century a naked man bent over, spread his ass and took a picture. 2018-01-01T13:16:14 < capacitor> i thought gawker was dead 2018-01-01T13:18:15 < capacitor> always lol @ GAP.ZIP 2018-01-01T13:30:42 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-01T13:30:51 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T13:45:01 -!- capacitor [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-01T14:18:33 < dongs> #define VOID void 2018-01-01T14:18:35 < dongs> good job, china 2018-01-01T14:46:42 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T15:13:30 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T15:19:25 < jsoft> Is there a HAL function to delay in microseconds ? 2018-01-01T15:21:15 < Thorn> __NOP() l0l 2018-01-01T15:21:48 < dongs> can you imagine, its called HAL_Delay() 2018-01-01T15:21:54 < dongs> and its used in almost every fucking example 2018-01-01T15:22:11 < dongs> it uses systick so its exactly 1ms resolution. 2018-01-01T15:22:22 < Thorn> ms != µs 2018-01-01T15:23:16 < dongs> roll your own using CYCCNT 2018-01-01T15:23:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-01T15:25:37 < Fleck> jsoft: no, you need to change systick interval, may mess something else up :P 2018-01-01T15:26:22 < dongs> dont listen to that fleck fuckoff 2018-01-01T15:26:24 < dongs> hes a fucking nigger. 2018-01-01T15:27:10 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T15:35:52 < Steffanx> dongs, 2018 is the year of being a bit more friendly. 2018-01-01T15:36:02 < Steffanx> You can do it \o/ 2018-01-01T15:36:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T15:39:07 < dongs> Steffanx: tell that to fleck, who has me on /ignore 2018-01-01T15:39:42 < Thorn> we need a ##stm32 /ignore graph 2018-01-01T15:40:07 < dongs> who looks down on who 2018-01-01T15:40:08 < dongs> yes 2018-01-01T15:41:04 < BrainDamage> DONGS_MOOD = DONGS_MOOD | FRIENDLY_B 2018-01-01T15:41:09 < BrainDamage> FRIENDLY_BIT 2018-01-01T15:41:18 < BrainDamage> that bit more friend? 2018-01-01T15:41:38 < Thorn> Error: FRIENDLY_BIT not defined 2018-01-01T15:41:54 < Steffanx> Welcome in 2018 BrainDamage. 2018-01-01T15:41:59 < BrainDamage> happy new year 2018-01-01T15:42:24 < Steffanx> The year we can finally laugh at your patent, right? 2018-01-01T15:42:38 < BrainDamage> again, never going to be ever linked here 2018-01-01T15:42:45 < Steffanx> Damnit. 2018-01-01T15:43:32 < Steffanx> unless someone is able to find it ofcourse 2018-01-01T15:43:37 < BrainDamage> I'm embarassed myself how shit the whole thing is, I'm not doing because i want to, I'm doing because i have to 2018-01-01T15:43:53 < dongs> oh what did i miss 2018-01-01T15:44:10 < Steffanx> BrainDamage invented something with a few friends and patented it. 2018-01-01T15:44:20 < BrainDamage> just the application atm 2018-01-01T15:45:11 < BrainDamage> no idea if it's even going to be granted, but the application by itself is good enough to ask for shekels 2018-01-01T15:45:18 < Steffanx> zyp, you were the petg guy right? How fast do you print with that? 2018-01-01T15:45:21 < BrainDamage> which is what we need 2018-01-01T15:46:23 < PaulFertser> A real patent or "software patent"? 2018-01-01T15:46:44 < BrainDamage> software patents don't exist here 2018-01-01T15:46:57 < PaulFertser> Nice 2018-01-01T15:47:34 < Tectu> dongs, I don't get the schematic library vs pcb library thingy. doesn't one assign a footprint directly to a part when creating the library part thingy? 2018-01-01T15:48:26 < dongs> Tectu: schematic lib: single resistor symbol. pcb lib: 0402, 0603, 0805 footprints. all assigned to same res symbol. 2018-01-01T15:48:30 < dongs> thats why. 2018-01-01T15:48:54 < Tectu> ah, so you assign the schematic symbol in the pcb part? 2018-01-01T15:49:00 < dongs> the other wayt around 2018-01-01T15:49:09 < dongs> add footprint to schematic symbol 2018-01-01T15:49:16 < Tectu> I see 2018-01-01T15:49:18 < dongs> im not saying you should have resistor with multiple footprints 2018-01-01T15:49:20 < dongs> but thats an example 2018-01-01T15:49:25 < Tectu> is it okay to steal symbols for resistors and so on from the vault? 2018-01-01T15:49:34 < dongs> i use it for shit like SOP8 packages for flash that are difrent widths etc 2018-01-01T15:49:44 < dongs> or 3-pin LDOs that come in SOT223 and SOT23 and shit 2018-01-01T15:49:58 < dongs> yeah thats where I got them 2018-01-01T15:50:06 < Tectu> uhm... I thought that was the idea, no? you create one SOP8 package and use it for ALL the SOP8 components, not just flash, but also mosfets, vregs, .... ? 2018-01-01T15:50:07 < dongs> cba to darw squiggly 2018-01-01T15:50:19 < Tectu> shortcut wizardry <3 2018-01-01T15:50:21 < dongs> yeah sre, you can assign same SOP8 to wahtever 2018-01-01T15:50:29 < Tectu> so how do I steal from the vault? 2018-01-01T15:50:37 < dongs> search the shit in vault, open it, and just copy/paste 2018-01-01T15:50:44 < Adluc> vault? 2018-01-01T15:50:46 < Tectu> into the lib? 2018-01-01T15:50:54 < dongs> no, just the primitives 2018-01-01T15:51:00 < dongs> like ctrl+a, ctrl+c, and paste into a new symbol 2018-01-01T15:51:09 < dongs> if you copy the symbol completely it'll keep all the shit metadata etc 2018-01-01T15:51:18 < dongs> in the designer 2018-01-01T15:52:33 < Steffanx> Adluc: Altium vault 2018-01-01T15:52:40 < Tectu> too bad that the vault is that slow 2018-01-01T15:52:52 < Tectu> searching for "resistor 0603" turned out to be ab ad idea 2018-01-01T15:52:54 < Tectu> bad idea* 2018-01-01T15:53:31 < dongs> haha 2018-01-01T15:54:09 < dongs> probably faster to draw squiggly or rectangle wahtever type of resistor youre more into 2018-01-01T15:54:19 < dongs> also, i would suggest keeping all symbols on 10mil grid 2018-01-01T15:54:46 < Steffanx> Don't you just create the SO* stuff using the wizard? Sounds easier than this copy paste crap :P 2018-01-01T15:54:59 < dongs> Steffanx: yea the footprint 2018-01-01T15:55:03 < dongs> hes talkin about symbol 2018-01-01T15:55:12 < dongs> and yeah, i usually do the wizard to get 3d models out of it 2018-01-01T15:55:42 < Steffanx> oh, the symbol. I do those myself, but then my altium didnt come with the vault :P 2018-01-01T15:55:57 < Tectu> dongs, maybe I misunderstood: I dick'n'dropped part from the vault to the schematic, selected schematic symbol, ctrlc, then go to the new part in my schematic library and ctrlv? 2018-01-01T15:56:09 < Tectu> Steffanx, stop being a bad person 2018-01-01T15:56:18 < Tectu> just give them your munney 2018-01-01T15:56:51 < Steffanx> lol no. 2018-01-01T15:57:10 < Steffanx> As long as i dont make money from it.. i dont feel bad 2018-01-01T15:58:43 < dongs> Tectu: yes, then you can paste it into your lib, but that gives you metadata, so open it once there and copy just the primitives into a new symbol 2018-01-01T15:58:54 < jsoft> dongs, thank's ill have a look at CYCCNT. 2018-01-01T15:59:16 < Tectu> aaah 2018-01-01T15:59:19 < Tectu> thanks dongs <3 2018-01-01T16:01:22 < dongs> hmm what 2018-01-01T16:01:27 < dongs> grid names changed in a18 2018-01-01T16:02:02 < dongs> ok looks like 100mil is the normal schlib grid 2018-01-01T16:03:06 < Tectu> my default schematic symbol grid appears to be 5mm 2018-01-01T16:07:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-85-229-184-17.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T16:10:35 < zyp> Steffanx, idk, my printer is untuned enough that my numbers shouldn't matter too much to you 2018-01-01T16:10:44 < Tectu> dongs, the copy paste magic doesn't seem to be working the same way in the pcb lib thingy 2018-01-01T16:11:22 < gnom> https://www.bartslinger.com/qtcreator/stm32cubemx-cmake-and-qtcreator/ 2018-01-01T16:11:26 < dongs> you can do pcb->make pcb library after the component is on the board. idk i never used the pcblib part because i either use a wizard or make it myself 2018-01-01T16:12:04 < dongs> i think you have to update pcb from sch after dropping a symbol there 2018-01-01T16:12:11 < dongs> to get the component to show up on pcb so you can copy it 2018-01-01T16:12:25 < dongs> du, run eco, then it should be available 2018-01-01T16:12:28 < Tectu> dongs, what does "make it myself" mean? All I want is creating a footprint for my 0603 resistor symbol I just created. I thought footprints are held in the pcb library? 2018-01-01T16:12:36 < dongs> yes 2018-01-01T16:12:48 < dongs> so make it or steal it from vault 2018-01-01T16:12:59 < Tectu> trying to steal at the moment 2018-01-01T16:13:33 < dongs> stealing works fine, just tested 2018-01-01T16:13:54 < dongs> drop vault component into sch, update to pcb, copy the footprint on pcb, paste into your .pcblib 2018-01-01T16:14:38 < Tectu> aah, that way 2018-01-01T16:14:40 < Tectu> makes sense. 2018-01-01T16:15:24 < Tectu> X2.exe has stopped working 2018-01-01T16:15:40 < Steffanx> Pro delphi codes you know. 2018-01-01T16:15:43 < Tectu> altidongs gone 2018-01-01T16:15:45 < dongs> lmao 2018-01-01T16:16:10 < dongs> stop trying to run it in WINE 2018-01-01T16:16:20 < Tectu> lol 2018-01-01T16:16:22 < Tectu> win10 2018-01-01T16:16:46 < Tectu> is this thing written in delphi or why does that keep coming up here? 2018-01-01T16:18:26 < Steffanx> It is. 2018-01-01T16:18:32 < Steffanx> or partially. 2018-01-01T16:18:33 < dongs> yessir 2018-01-01T16:18:45 < dongs> its delphi and .nut 2018-01-01T16:18:51 < dongs> but all the core is delphi 2018-01-01T16:18:59 < dongs> .nut is for shit like PDN Analy$er 2018-01-01T16:20:07 < Tectu> how does dongs name his stuff? res_0603? 2018-01-01T16:20:37 < dongs> RES0402 etc yea. CAP0402 LED0402 2018-01-01T16:20:42 < dongs> other shit is just part# 2018-01-01T16:20:52 < Tectu> how do I steal 3d crap 2018-01-01T16:20:54 < Tectu> ? 2018-01-01T16:21:02 < dongs> its in the component you paste into pcblib 2018-01-01T16:21:05 < dongs> should be layer 13 or so 2018-01-01T16:21:19 < Tectu> ooh 2018-01-01T16:21:21 < Tectu> nice 2018-01-01T16:23:30 < dongs> when i make them with wizard i tell it to save it separately into .stp 2018-01-01T16:23:45 < dongs> i donno how you can extract stp from original component 2018-01-01T16:23:54 < dongs> but you can just coppaste the actual model 2018-01-01T16:24:03 < Cracki> 3d stuff? grabcad perhaps 2018-01-01T16:24:22 < dongs> i prefer using manufacturer models, or stuff from 3dcontentcentral 2018-01-01T16:29:17 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:e449:3c59:4f4b:c9f2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-01T16:35:52 < Tectu> dongs, do you do silkscreen borders around stuff like resistors and caps like some libs doo? 2018-01-01T16:36:00 < dongs> yes 2018-01-01T16:36:11 < Tectu> what's the purpose of that? 2018-01-01T16:36:44 < dongs> what do you mean? 2018-01-01T16:36:47 < dongs> so it looks nice on pcb 2018-01-01T16:36:51 < dongs> since i can do high resolution silk and shit 2018-01-01T16:37:01 < dongs> plus resistor and cap and diode have different silk 2018-01-01T16:37:12 < dongs> so you can see whats a cap and wahts a reisstor on board 2018-01-01T16:38:21 < Tectu> show me your resistor footprints, Mr. dongs. Those borders really fuck the density, no? 2018-01-01T16:39:44 < dongs> not much. and it helps to align stuff 2018-01-01T16:40:37 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/bjwL7E7.png 2018-01-01T16:41:05 < Tectu> interesting 2018-01-01T16:41:28 < Tectu> I'm strugging to figure out how in the schematic symbol thingy I can specify the default place of the textual items 2018-01-01T16:41:36 < dongs> don't 2018-01-01T16:42:08 < dongs> when you actually export bom or sync sch to pcb 2018-01-01T16:42:12 < dongs> only the comment field is what matters 2018-01-01T16:42:19 < dongs> and thats waht you can search by quickly etc. 2018-01-01T16:42:22 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:e449:3c59:4f4b:c9f2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T16:42:22 < dongs> the rest of the shit is irrelevant 2018-01-01T16:42:40 < dongs> the only exception i make is for passives, i have a "Value" parameter which is waht gets shown instead of comment 2018-01-01T16:42:48 < dongs> comment is usually something like CAP0402 100nF 16V 2018-01-01T16:42:54 < dongs> and =Value is just 100nF 2018-01-01T16:43:10 < dongs> cuz on pcb list the value is not accessible for search (at least not easily 2018-01-01T16:43:17 < Tectu> https://www.screencast.com/t/6snlaD7GAGGy 2018-01-01T16:43:29 < dongs> yeah no 2018-01-01T16:43:30 < Tectu> am I doing it wrong? 2018-01-01T16:43:34 < dongs> completely. 2018-01-01T16:43:38 < Tectu> :p 2018-01-01T16:43:40 < Tectu> teach me 2018-01-01T16:43:44 < dongs> first of all its not R* 2018-01-01T16:43:45 < dongs> its R? 2018-01-01T16:43:48 < dongs> for automatic assignment 2018-01-01T16:44:29 < Tectu> what do you use for Design Item ID? 2018-01-01T16:44:52 < dongs> thats the name in libray. 2018-01-01T16:44:55 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T16:45:04 < dongs> all uppercase short name or direct part# 2018-01-01T16:45:22 < Tectu> oh, stupid me 2018-01-01T16:45:34 < Tectu> can you elaborate the =Value thingy? 2018-01-01T16:45:41 < dongs> 'parameters' tab 2018-01-01T16:46:24 < dongs> the eye thing next to designator and comment and parameters is how you control if it will be shown or not 2018-01-01T16:46:44 < dongs> since i dont wanna have idiot shit flooding scchematic wiht size of resistor or cap, thats why I have the value with a short custom string about it 2018-01-01T16:46:55 < dongs> and Comment contains the complete part that would be useful for my picknplace 2018-01-01T16:46:58 < dongs> like CAP0805 10uF 16V 2018-01-01T16:47:41 < Tectu> but that comment is not something you set in the library, right? you set that once you placed the component? Otherwise you need one library item for each voltage and capacity 2018-01-01T16:47:43 < Tectu> (and size) 2018-01-01T16:47:52 < dongs> no, its set in library as default 2018-01-01T16:48:15 < dongs> once youplace it, you edit it 2018-01-01T16:48:20 < dongs> then if you want more of same type, you copy that copy. 2018-01-01T16:49:51 < Tectu> can you explain the parameters =Value thingy a bit more? 2018-01-01T16:50:08 < dongs> its just that. you call it Value (or anything), and fill it wiht say "10K" 2018-01-01T16:50:12 < dongs> and make it visible. 2018-01-01T16:50:19 < dongs> and make Comment not visible. 2018-01-01T16:50:28 < Tectu> is the parameter name =Value or =value? 2018-01-01T16:50:29 < dongs> so when you palce the part, it ends up with R? designator and the text from Value. 2018-01-01T16:50:33 < Tectu> err, I mean =Value or Value 2018-01-01T16:50:34 < dongs> Value, no = 2018-01-01T16:50:40 < dongs> its used wiht = later in queries and shit' 2018-01-01T16:51:26 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@2a02:c200:1:10:3:0:8071:1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T16:51:30 < Tectu> I see 2018-01-01T16:51:47 < Tectu> so why is the default font new times roman? the vault component fonts are much nicer 2018-01-01T16:52:10 < dongs> i dont know, i cared about it for about 5 minutes then realized its not worth changing 2018-01-01T16:52:18 < dongs> and kept times new for everything 2018-01-01T16:52:27 < Tectu> :p 2018-01-01T16:53:29 < Tectu> and in the symbol thingy I don't set the default position for the designator and so on? 2018-01-01T16:53:40 < dongs> i wouldnt, automatic way works better 2018-01-01T16:54:05 < dongs> you can move them if you really need to but if you keep your comment/value/part# to a reasonable length theres no need to 2018-01-01T16:54:10 < dongs> move = after placing 2018-01-01T16:54:33 < Tectu> okay, great 2018-01-01T16:54:56 < Tectu> after placing: https://www.screencast.com/t/VgWXfdnHha 2018-01-01T16:54:57 < Tectu> better? 2018-01-01T16:55:09 < dongs> yeah something ilke that 2018-01-01T16:55:12 < Tectu> except somehow grid stuff is fucked 2018-01-01T16:56:08 < dongs> yes you fucked it up 2018-01-01T16:56:10 < Tectu> how come I don't have the same grids to choose from in the schematic library and the actual schematic? 2018-01-01T16:56:29 < dongs> because your schlib should be like '100mil' or whatever, old version it used to be called '10' grid 2018-01-01T16:56:45 < dongs> theres a pref somewehre to rename t hem and I guess it got turned off 2018-01-01T16:57:07 < Tectu> in the schematic lib I can toggle through these grids using 'g': 2.5mm, 1mm 0.5mm 2018-01-01T16:57:08 < Tectu> no other options 2018-01-01T16:57:19 < dongs> tyou should rpobably switch to mil 2018-01-01T16:57:19 < Tectu> oh, actually the same in the schematic itself too 2018-01-01T16:57:28 < dongs> every component ive seen ahs been done on mil grid 2018-01-01T16:57:32 < dongs> which is probly why your shit is failing 2018-01-01T16:57:35 < Tectu> how does one do that? 2018-01-01T16:57:37 < dongs> where teh fuck did you choose metric? 2018-01-01T16:57:43 < Tectu> no idea 2018-01-01T16:57:44 < dongs> i dont know, its never been metirc on default insteall 2018-01-01T16:57:46 < dongs> isntall 2018-01-01T16:57:58 < dongs> prefs -> schematic->general 2018-01-01T16:58:00 < dongs> units: 2018-01-01T16:58:03 < Tectu> yeah, just got that 2018-01-01T16:58:05 < Tectu> it's mm 2018-01-01T16:58:08 < Tectu> I'm sure I changed it :p 2018-01-01T16:58:08 < dongs> gross. 2018-01-01T16:58:31 < dongs> i would of course use mm if it wasnt for pretty much everything else being aligned to mils 2018-01-01T16:58:35 < Tectu> darn, do I have to re-open the application now? stuff is still in mm 2018-01-01T16:58:44 < dongs> probly 2018-01-01T16:58:47 < Tectu> or is that some document property? 2018-01-01T16:59:14 < dongs> no clue, i'd reopen. 2018-01-01T16:59:24 < dongs> hmm yea they definitely c hanged scale in 18 2018-01-01T16:59:30 < dongs> pin length and shit is now 100,200,300mil 2018-01-01T16:59:33 < dongs> used to be just 10/20/30 2018-01-01T16:59:55 < Tectu> the new one definitely makes more sense 2018-01-01T17:00:13 < dongs> not if you have to type an extra zero 2018-01-01T17:00:32 < Tectu> stop cheaparsing 2018-01-01T17:01:08 < Tectu> grids still in mm q__q 2018-01-01T17:01:11 < Tectu> although options is mils 2018-01-01T17:01:15 < dongs> 'q'? 2018-01-01T17:01:28 < Tectu> view -> toggle units 2018-01-01T17:02:05 < dongs> yeah, thats q in pcb 2018-01-01T17:02:11 < Tectu> not in schematic crap 2018-01-01T17:02:17 < dongs> gay 2018-01-01T17:02:22 < Tectu> anyway, got it 2018-01-01T17:02:24 < Tectu> thanks :) 2018-01-01T17:02:36 < Tectu> doing the first PCB will take ages this way... all the components... 2018-01-01T17:02:37 < dongs> im curious how the fuck you ended up wiht those defaults 2018-01-01T17:02:43 < dongs> in mm 2018-01-01T17:02:51 < dongs> i dont know anyone who has libs in mm 2018-01-01T17:03:00 < Tectu> that wasn't a default. I remember that I changed it to mm in the schematic -> generic settings for some reason 2018-01-01T17:03:05 < dongs> ah 2018-01-01T17:03:15 < Tectu> I'm sure I changed it :p 2018-01-01T17:03:18 < dongs> yea not if you wanna ever copy a symbol from somewhere 2018-01-01T17:03:33 < Tectu> the font is horrific 2018-01-01T17:04:21 < dongs> it works, youll get use to it 2018-01-01T17:04:31 < dongs> changing it is way more work and makes your shit look nonstandard 2018-01-01T17:04:48 < Tectu> but that's the non-standard font, no? 2018-01-01T17:04:52 < Tectu> at least the vault ones don't use that 2018-01-01T17:05:42 < dongs> uh all teh shit ive seen uses roman 2018-01-01T17:05:48 < dongs> what did your shit use, Arial or something? 2018-01-01T17:06:03 < dongs> the screenshtos you posted were standard font 2018-01-01T17:06:17 < Tectu> dunno, but look at the niceness: https://www.screencast.com/t/QzWnMwb0 2018-01-01T17:06:23 < dongs> gross 2018-01-01T17:06:39 < Tectu> ah, probably that's a non-standard component. I got that from a customer's schematic 2018-01-01T17:08:34 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T17:08:51 < Tectu> serif fonts are the worst shit ever 2018-01-01T17:11:13 < dongs> it'll grow on you 2018-01-01T17:13:38 < Tectu> meh :/ 2018-01-01T17:13:52 < Steffanx> There is more than dongs opinion you know ;) 2018-01-01T17:14:02 < dongs> i'm all for minimal effort 2018-01-01T17:14:13 < dongs> when you look at *any* altidumb s chematic its all same font 2018-01-01T17:14:32 < dongs> i too thought it would be nice to use tahoma or some other shit 2018-01-01T17:15:02 < Tectu> so in my PCB library thingy the 3d looks very nice. but when I place it on the board the entire component is just bright green. 2018-01-01T17:15:11 < Tectu> what's up with that? 2018-01-01T17:15:20 < dongs> thats cuz youre violating some DRC rule 2018-01-01T17:15:27 < dongs> either height or its on top of some other component. 2018-01-01T17:16:12 < Tectu> did not setup any drc yet, just imported changes and went to 3d 2018-01-01T17:16:24 < Steffanx> Probably that red box thingy it adds by default when you import your changes. 2018-01-01T17:16:31 < Tectu> aah 2018-01-01T17:16:32 < dongs> oh yeah thefucking rooms 2018-01-01T17:16:33 < dongs> fuck 2018-01-01T17:16:35 < Tectu> the sheet 1 thingy 2018-01-01T17:16:39 < Tectu> the fuck is that? 2018-01-01T17:16:41 < Steffanx> You can disable that stuff 2018-01-01T17:16:53 < Tectu> that was it, steffan 2018-01-01T17:16:55 < dongs> c,o on schematic class generation and turn off 2018-01-01T17:17:05 < Tectu> is that to group stuff? 2018-01-01T17:17:08 < dongs> no 2018-01-01T17:17:17 < dongs> you definitely won't need it for first pcb 2018-01-01T17:17:23 < dongs> and likely for many pcbs later 2018-01-01T17:17:27 < Tectu> what's the purpose? 2018-01-01T17:17:30 < dongs> but you gotta turn it off for every sheet 2018-01-01T17:17:34 < dongs> hierarchical designs mostly 2018-01-01T17:17:40 < dongs> is where Im using it 2018-01-01T17:17:43 < Tectu> doesn't that make sense? 2018-01-01T17:17:54 < dongs> but a single sheet design does not neeed a room 2018-01-01T17:18:06 < Tectu> I don't do a single sheet design 2018-01-01T17:18:08 < dongs> or anything that doesnt have repeating things in it 2018-01-01T17:18:16 < Tectu> ah, it's for that 2018-01-01T17:18:18 < Tectu> pattern stuff? 2018-01-01T17:18:34 < dongs> do you know what hierarchical design is? even dicktrace had it. 2018-01-01T17:18:43 < dongs> repeating blocks of stuff 2018-01-01T17:18:47 < dongs> on sch and on pcb. 2018-01-01T17:18:54 < dongs> so you can copy layout/placement for all of them 2018-01-01T17:19:02 < Tectu> yes, I know what that is and I used it quite a few times 2018-01-01T17:19:06 < dongs> the other shit for rooms is changing DRC rules 2018-01-01T17:19:22 < dongs> so you can do ex. trace thickness difference under BGA vs outside of it 2018-01-01T17:19:32 < dongs> make a room covering BGA, assign a drc rule that allows finer traces under it 2018-01-01T17:19:53 < Tectu> so co -> class generation -> uncheck 'generate net classes for buses"? that seems wrong. 2018-01-01T17:19:58 < dongs> no 2018-01-01T17:20:05 < dongs> schematic sheet list in the middle 2018-01-01T17:20:13 < dongs> generate rooms and generate component classes, turn that shit off 2018-01-01T17:20:54 < Tectu> got it 2018-01-01T17:20:55 < Tectu> thanks <3 2018-01-01T17:23:50 < Tectu> I see that in the schematic symbol they use =Capacitance in the comment field. Do you do that too, dongs? 2018-01-01T17:24:11 < dongs> no because thats part of that metadata i dont give a shit about 2018-01-01T17:24:17 < dongs> also i have no idea how that translates into PCB 2018-01-01T17:24:21 < Tectu> so you just make the value parameter visible? 2018-01-01T17:24:34 < dongs> yes, and its the only parameter 2018-01-01T17:24:52 < dongs> comment duplicates it directly, not using it as =Value 2018-01-01T17:24:53 < Tectu> oh boy do they have a lot of parameters *___* 2018-01-01T17:25:06 < Tectu> so why would altivault use that 2018-01-01T17:25:09 < dongs> yeah thats why I said just copy the primitives from design sheet, not whole fucking component 2018-01-01T17:25:28 < dongs> because it probably has some purpose for when you're doing a design with 348972349823472389 things on them 2018-01-01T17:25:38 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df022-182.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T17:25:47 < Tectu> okay, so after one hour I have a 0603 resistor and a 0603 capacitor 2018-01-01T17:25:51 < Tectu> this will be fun 2018-01-01T17:26:17 < dongs> the good part is that now you can have them in 0402 with a cope copypastes 2018-01-01T17:26:24 < dongs> er cuople 2018-01-01T17:26:26 < dongs> going to sleep 2018-01-01T17:26:51 < kikes> hello pumppie 2018-01-01T17:26:59 < kikes> anything new? 2018-01-01T17:27:02 < Tectu> sleep well, thank you a lot, dongs. much appreciated 2018-01-01T17:27:55 < Tectu> is there a shortcut to automatically update the pcb? 2018-01-01T17:37:03 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-01T17:38:29 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T17:39:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T17:41:00 < Laurenceb_> THE CURRENT YEAR 2018-01-01T17:41:05 < Laurenceb_> ++ 2018-01-01T17:43:03 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftW1rrk-YoM 2018-01-01T17:43:09 < BrainDamage> i just realized that centuries of inbreeding and his predilection for incest erotica subtext would explain quite a bit of Laurenceb's behaviour 2018-01-01T17:44:56 < Thorn> Laurenceb_ is a UKIP project aimed at making UK seem unattractive to potential skilled immigrants 2018-01-01T17:45:26 < Thorn> (in this case, EEs) 2018-01-01T17:45:36 < Laurenceb_> no just the Polish menace 2018-01-01T17:45:45 < Laurenceb_> we like our surfaces unsmoothed 2018-01-01T17:48:43 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Enk_Xhc7Q 2018-01-01T17:57:57 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df022-182.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-01T17:59:27 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-01T18:00:34 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/sHSwg8z 2018-01-01T18:02:13 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T18:06:19 < Steffanx> i scrolled to see the other 19 photos.. was kinda disappointed 2018-01-01T18:06:39 < Thorn> quality musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXlUxDGFvU 2018-01-01T18:07:13 < Steffanx> musics, not quality 2018-01-01T18:10:55 < ReadErr> HNY all 2018-01-01T18:11:11 < BrainDamage> token effort of greetings to you too 2018-01-01T18:11:56 < Steffanx> Thank you, welcome. ReadErr 2018-01-01T18:12:47 < ReadErr> man i wish those fx3 where cheaper 2018-01-01T18:14:18 < ReadErr> the raid1 usb3 sdcard thing i could use a few of 2018-01-01T18:14:21 < Tectu> just buy more of them 2018-01-01T18:14:56 < ReadErr> maybe i can scample some 2018-01-01T18:14:57 < Steffanx> kickstarter it ReadErr 2018-01-01T18:15:18 < ReadErr> Steffanx: well, retail they are pretty $$ 2018-01-01T18:16:41 < ReadErr> so kawaii though 2018-01-01T18:39:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.136] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-01T18:48:30 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T18:55:49 < Laurenceb_> >turn on BBC 2018-01-01T18:56:10 < Laurenceb_> >Scottish muslim convert physicist is talking about quantum mechanics 2018-01-01T18:56:27 < Laurenceb_> >the many worlds interpretation is fully supported by the Koran 2018-01-01T18:56:46 < Laurenceb_> I can't even right now 2018-01-01T18:57:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T18:57:47 < BrainDamage> i love how most get riled up by an ... interpretation, as if it's not just another fucked up way to say it, but rather something that'd impact our reality as if it was a model with different outcomes 2018-01-01T18:58:25 < Laurenceb_> to be fair any interpretation beats Copenhagen 2018-01-01T18:58:36 < Laurenceb_> "we will just invent this measurement operator" 2018-01-01T19:00:19 < Laurenceb_> inb4 the Scottish lunatic comes up with a Sharia operator 2018-01-01T19:00:35 < BrainDamage> I'm a bit partial to instrumentalist, even if it falls back to shut up and calculate 2018-01-01T19:02:17 < Laurenceb_> >still makes more sense than Emdrive 2018-01-01T19:06:55 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/dst30hujtg701.jpg 2018-01-01T19:07:44 < Laurenceb_> >le pleddit 2018-01-01T19:08:15 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/6vScT.jpg 2018-01-01T19:16:00 < upgrdman> dremel 3d printer looks a LOT like makerbots... is there some sort of OEM deal going on there? 2018-01-01T19:24:04 < Laurenceb_> lul makerbot 2018-01-01T19:28:01 < englishman> Tectu: no, since this requires manual approval of changes 2018-01-01T19:28:11 < englishman> afaik anyway 2018-01-01T19:43:21 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-01T20:17:40 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@ec2-52-29-251-54.eu-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T20:39:37 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2018-01-01T20:44:34 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-01T20:45:06 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T20:54:26 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2018-01-01T20:57:28 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T21:01:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T21:15:22 < englishman> In February, we kicked off the biggest thing to happen to elementary OS since we started: a fast, easy way for developers to get their apps to elementary OS users at their own schedule. Since then, developers have published more than 60 native apps and earned over $1,200. 2018-01-01T21:15:30 < englishman> the entire appstore revenue is $1200? 2018-01-01T21:16:46 < englishman> im not sure if that is extremely high or extremely low 2018-01-01T21:18:31 < Steffanx> It's has an extremely high dose of i dont give a damn ;) 2018-01-01T21:18:58 < Steffanx> You should try too 2018-01-01T21:19:10 < Steffanx> Why the F are you even looking at elementary OS , mr englishman? 2018-01-01T21:19:21 < BrainDamage> ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯ here, for your convenience 2018-01-01T21:19:31 < englishman> i needed a lunix that worked 2018-01-01T21:19:41 < Steffanx> And then of all versions you go for that one. 2018-01-01T21:19:42 < englishman> still havent found it, but ubuntu 17 has so far crashed the least and had working wifi 2018-01-01T21:19:50 < englishman> what the fuck kind of attitude is that? 2018-01-01T21:19:57 < englishman> its in the "TOP 10 DISTRIBUTIONS" 2018-01-01T21:20:00 < englishman> of every list i found 2018-01-01T21:20:15 < Steffanx> Top 10 popular. probably 2018-01-01T21:20:20 < englishman> i dont want a hacker OS i need something to do work 2018-01-01T21:20:37 < Steffanx> "Lunix > hacker os" ... ##stm32 opinions. 2018-01-01T21:20:51 < englishman> which means not getting the way of me working 2018-01-01T21:20:55 < englishman> which means: never compiling shit 2018-01-01T21:21:04 < englishman> especially not basic tools like wifi drivers 2018-01-01T21:21:20 < Steffanx> Didnt ubuntu on windows work for your stuff? 2018-01-01T21:21:27 < englishman> what is that? 2018-01-01T21:21:36 < Steffanx> bash on ubuntu on windows 2018-01-01T21:21:51 < englishman> no for bullshit reasons this has to be lunix desktop 2018-01-01T21:22:02 < Steffanx> What bullshit reasons? 2018-01-01T21:22:12 < englishman> to run lunix softwares 2018-01-01T21:22:38 < englishman> they are "working on" a windows version that would save everyone a ton of time 2018-01-01T21:22:42 < englishman> but i need this for now 2018-01-01T21:22:48 < Steffanx> intel lies? 2018-01-01T21:36:30 < ReadErr> englishman: 2018-01-01T21:36:32 < ReadErr> kali on desktop 2018-01-01T21:36:37 < ReadErr> is actually really decent 2018-01-01T21:36:51 < ReadErr> in terms of speed and tools 2018-01-01T21:38:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-01T21:38:39 < ReadErr> gnome > unity 2018-01-01T21:38:47 < Steffanx> but englishman doesnt need speed nor tools, he needs proper support for the tools he runs ;) 2018-01-01T21:38:55 < Steffanx> He's been raging about it for a while now. 2018-01-01T21:45:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-01T21:46:14 < PaulFertser> ReadErr: but kali is actually the "hacker os" so something englishman specifically doesn't want to try :) 2018-01-01T21:46:42 < ReadErr> fuck ubuntu 17 2018-01-01T21:46:46 < ReadErr> use 16.04 2018-01-01T21:46:55 < ReadErr> or go lesbian 9 2018-01-01T21:48:22 < Steffanx> derbian you mean? 2018-01-01T21:52:56 < ReadErr> yea, that 2018-01-01T22:09:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-01T22:22:28 < englishman> ReadErr: ubuntu 16 doesnt have wifi drivers 2018-01-01T22:22:34 < englishman> neither does deb 2018-01-01T22:22:39 < englishman> 4.12 or higher kernel 2018-01-01T22:23:04 < englishman> so kali actually looks good here 2018-01-01T22:23:48 < englishman> also i will wear my black hoodie and pretend im mr robutt 2018-01-01T22:25:14 < englishman> anyway ubuntu 17 is installed and will test it soon, going immediately back to simple, useful and 5-minute install of windows 10 2018-01-01T22:25:18 < englishman> (ubuntu 17 was 45min) 2018-01-01T22:29:45 < Steffanx> Im going to send you a free Steffanx waffle care package, because i feel terribly sorry for you. 2018-01-01T22:30:24 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-01T22:30:45 < englishman> already i have had to learn this useless information like kernel version and type hacker commands into a terminal to get wifi to work 2018-01-01T22:31:38 < superia> hacker commands 2018-01-01T22:38:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-01T22:47:31 < ReadErr> englishman: funny fact 2018-01-01T22:47:33 < ReadErr> you can run any kernel 2018-01-01T22:47:42 < ReadErr> use -testing repo 2018-01-01T22:47:45 < ReadErr> prolly already there 2018-01-01T22:53:16 < englishman> ubuntu 17 doesnt allow running graphical apps as sudo 2018-01-01T22:53:20 < englishman> sigh 2018-01-01T22:53:46 < englishman> https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1513888873668.webm 2018-01-01T22:54:18 < englishman> i dont want to test anything or know what a kernel version is 2018-01-01T22:55:08 < tpw_rules> englishman: isn't that what gksu is for? 2018-01-01T22:55:48 < Steffanx> I forgive you for your first 4chan link englishman. 2018-01-01T22:56:01 < englishman> is 4cdn 4chan? 2018-01-01T22:56:02 < Steffanx> Specal care package. What else. 2018-01-01T22:56:26 < Steffanx> Yessir, englishman 2018-01-01T22:56:32 < englishman> well then i apologize 2018-01-01T22:56:39 < Steffanx> No, i only send stroop waffles R2COM 2018-01-01T22:57:02 < Steffanx> To give you diabetus, ask stvn. He almost died after 1.5KG 2018-01-01T23:04:46 < Steffanx> enjoy 2018-01-01T23:12:44 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-01T23:20:19 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Jan 02 2018 2018-01-02T00:06:57 -!- superia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-02T00:10:37 -!- maenthri1 [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ggwywfxgzwyztucu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-02T00:10:48 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-bszfowglhbunovvp] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T00:11:40 * karlp just uses fedora. 2018-01-02T00:11:55 < karlp> try and run a graphical app that wants root, gui sudo prompt appears as you'd expect 2018-01-02T00:12:12 < karlp> no idea why you'd be looking at flavor of hte day distros like elementary 2018-01-02T00:13:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T00:13:52 < PaulFertser> karlp: with what window manager or DE? 2018-01-02T00:14:02 < karlp> defaults, 2018-01-02T00:14:07 < karlp> I never fuck aroundn with nerding out on shit 2018-01-02T00:14:19 < karlp> I just want things that behave properly from the gui as expected 2018-01-02T00:17:28 < karlp> Could not compile for NUCLEO_L011K4: Target does not support mbed OS 5 2018-01-02T00:17:32 < karlp> fuck you mbed then 2018-01-02T00:19:11 < karlp> 50k blinky, thhe hhell is this? 2018-01-02T00:19:38 < englishman> karlp: how the fuck am i supposed to know what distro is hot shit or not 2018-01-02T00:21:44 < karlp> sure, it's a mess, 2018-01-02T00:21:52 < karlp> I would have thought ubuntu would hhave been solid, 2018-01-02T00:22:04 < englishman> 17 is working ok 2018-01-02T00:22:21 < karlp> yeah, as lonng as you don't have one of those lenovo laptops or whahtever it was that they had to pull thhe release for :) 2018-01-02T00:22:36 < englishman> except for that no graphical sudo thing, just had to type in some stuff that runs at startup, found in blogpost 2018-01-02T00:22:41 < englishman> yes exactly 2018-01-02T00:22:44 < englishman> the download was disabled 2018-01-02T00:22:48 < karlp> is ubu 17 the one that went back to gnnome finally? 2018-01-02T00:23:03 < englishman> it looks different than 16 but not a whol elot 2018-01-02T00:23:07 < englishman> i think its called wayland 2018-01-02T00:23:30 < karlp> no, that's just "X" replacement, 2018-01-02T00:23:36 < englishman> mm 2018-01-02T00:25:35 < karlp> you might want "pkexec" instead for visual sudo? 2018-01-02T00:26:06 < englishman> no i did this http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-tip-graphical-apps-doesnt-launch-via-root-sudo-gksu/ 2018-01-02T00:26:13 < englishman> then sudo works again 2018-01-02T00:27:50 < karlp> that looks like a disastraous mess, but ok, if it worked for you 2018-01-02T00:28:18 < englishman> yeah no idea 2018-01-02T00:28:34 < englishman> fortunately i only have to do this for a few days 2018-01-02T00:28:40 < karlp> mbed idea of dragging and dropping bin files is dumb as fuck 2018-01-02T00:31:02 -!- superia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T00:37:53 -!- superia [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 2018-01-02T00:44:08 -!- kikes [~Janne@dyn3-82-128-188-4.psoas.suomi.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T00:44:52 < kikes> hello 2018-01-02T00:45:03 < kikes> nite pumps and mericans 2018-01-02T00:48:04 < PaulFertser> karlp: do you know about that idea to play back files via sound card from a web-browser? Is it dumber? 2018-01-02T00:53:49 < kikes> ##c64? 2018-01-02T00:57:51 < PaulFertser> karlp: https://chibitronics.com/programming-chibi-chip/ 2018-01-02T00:58:23 < ohsix> buns 2018-01-02T01:04:02 < Steffanx> Its funny PaulFertser ;) 2018-01-02T01:04:06 < Steffanx> :) 2018-01-02T01:04:55 < Steffanx> It might not the most practical way. But hey, it aint that bad.. (imho) 2018-01-02T01:04:59 < PaulFertser> Designed by bunnie, and he sort of provides good rationale for all of that. 2018-01-02T01:05:16 < Tectu> dongs, got a minute? 2018-01-02T01:05:47 < Steffanx> Better join him in dreamland 2018-01-02T01:06:01 < Steffanx> And there are more people with altium skillzz Tectu 2018-01-02T01:06:20 < Tectu> such as? 2018-01-02T01:06:40 < Steffanx> ##stm32 people 2018-01-02T01:07:13 < Tectu> time to proof yourself, ##stm32 2018-01-02T01:07:14 < Steffanx> You dont want me to name them all 2018-01-02T01:07:30 < Tectu> I created a footprint and I got an STL for the 3d crap from 3dcontentcentral. How do I actually add it to my footprint? 2018-01-02T01:07:39 < englishman> insert -> 3d model 2018-01-02T01:07:46 < englishman> slelect "from file" or whatever in menu 2018-01-02T01:08:12 < Tectu> "insert"? 2018-01-02T01:09:22 < englishman> place? 2018-01-02T01:09:48 < Steffanx> Yes, in the pcb library part editor mr Tectu 2018-01-02T01:09:52 < englishman> theres a keystroke sequence but i only know it from muscle memory 2018-01-02T01:09:56 < Tectu> well there's place -> 3d body and I have been fooling around with it but didn't get the hang out of it 2018-01-02T01:10:07 < englishman> yes that 2018-01-02T01:10:32 < englishman> select generic 3d model 2018-01-02T01:10:34 < englishman> then load from file 2018-01-02T01:10:35 < Tectu> yeah, I fooled around with that but no idea how to use that. no dialog appears. just the current 3d model 2018-01-02T01:11:36 < Steffanx> Just load it, rotate it, click ok. And maybe move the part in the 3d view or the non-3d view 2018-01-02T01:11:46 < Tectu> how do I load it? 2018-01-02T01:11:54 < Steffanx> What englishman said 2018-01-02T01:12:26 < Tectu> is this AD18 advice? 2018-01-02T01:12:39 < englishman> ad17 2018-01-02T01:12:49 < englishman> if they changed that significantly, then dono 2018-01-02T01:13:07 < Tectu> better ad18, Mr. englishman 2018-01-02T01:13:14 < englishman> no thx no betatrash on my machine 2018-01-02T01:13:16 < Tectu> also, probably just pebkac 2018-01-02T01:13:22 < englishman> release versions are beta enough 2018-01-02T01:13:32 < Steffanx> Didnt hear dongs rage about it yet, so cant be that different :P 2018-01-02T01:13:38 < Tectu> darktheme. 2018-01-02T01:13:53 < Steffanx> His autism wouldnt be able to handle such change, without raging 2018-01-02T01:14:33 < Steffanx> Darkie Theme is one of the things he did rage about 2018-01-02T01:15:59 < kikes> hey are you talking about kicad here? 2018-01-02T01:16:11 < Steffanx> Ya mate 2018-01-02T01:16:23 < Steffanx> Kicadium 2018-01-02T01:16:42 < Steffanx> Aka Altidongs 2018-01-02T01:17:08 < englishman> hmm looks like that dialogue has changed significantly 2018-01-02T01:17:29 < englishman> tectu its right there in the sidebat 2018-01-02T01:17:32 < englishman> sidebar 2018-01-02T01:17:33 < Steffanx> Poor Tectu 2018-01-02T01:17:38 < englishman> change to generic 2018-01-02T01:17:43 < englishman> pick your file 2018-01-02T01:17:52 < englishman> rotate and offset as you need 2018-01-02T01:18:09 < Steffanx> Installed v18 this fast? 2018-01-02T01:18:17 < Steffanx> Or are you reading docs? 2018-01-02T01:18:27 < Tectu> got it 2018-01-02T01:18:28 < Tectu> thanks 2018-01-02T01:18:46 < Tectu> the trick was to click tab to be able to go into the properties menu 2018-01-02T01:18:49 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/WbTQn5T.png 2018-01-02T01:18:53 < Tectu> is there a way to select everything on a layer? eg. layer 13 2018-01-02T01:19:11 < Tectu> thx <3 2018-01-02T01:19:14 < englishman> esy 2018-01-02T01:19:21 < Steffanx> That cursor and theme looks so lunix... 2018-01-02T01:19:23 < englishman> ^ key sequence 2018-01-02T01:19:36 < kikes> I do 3d kicad all the time 2018-01-02T01:19:55 < Tectu> thx englishman <3 2018-01-02T01:20:01 < Tectu> kikes, I did once too, then I had to start doing serious shit. 2018-01-02T01:20:34 < Steffanx> Seriously, that theme is awful. As in breaking all standard windows UI standards 2018-01-02T01:21:09 < Tectu> says the mac guy 2018-01-02T01:21:16 < englishman> yes 2018-01-02T01:21:17 < englishman> awful 2018-01-02T01:21:24 < englishman> at least it doesnt have allcaps menus 2018-01-02T01:21:25 < Steffanx> Havent booted osx in months mr Tectu 2018-01-02T01:22:11 < Steffanx> Except for the occational reboot and it automagically booted osx 2018-01-02T01:23:03 < Tectu> hah 2018-01-02T01:23:04 < Tectu> I knew it 2018-01-02T01:23:06 < Steffanx> Since i have this nvidia 1060gfx osx is broken after sleep mode. 2018-01-02T01:23:16 < karlp> PaulFertser: oh, I mean, I see the appeal of the drag/drop programming, it's just that when you have mbed cli, I want to have it uploadable there too, 2018-01-02T01:23:53 < kikes> should I recommend my work place to buy real eda? 2018-01-02T01:24:07 < Steffanx> Yea 2018-01-02T01:25:10 < kikes> even when stuff made is max. size of match box 2018-01-02T01:25:16 < Tectu> jesus... orienting the 3d model the right way is hell 2018-01-02T01:25:20 < kikes> and 2 - 4 layer 2018-01-02T01:25:23 < Tectu> the fuck is that crap, just give me translations 2018-01-02T01:25:36 < kikes> and not high speed signals or matched pairs 2018-01-02T01:25:46 < Steffanx> Yes kikes 2018-01-02T01:25:49 < Tectu> yes. 2018-01-02T01:26:03 < kikes> then what is the correct software 2018-01-02T01:26:10 < kikes> name only one 2018-01-02T01:26:13 < Tectu> altidongs 2018-01-02T01:27:18 < englishman> Tectu, protip, do your rotating in 3d mode. 2018-01-02T01:27:31 < Tectu> englishman, trying to do that. 2018-01-02T01:27:37 < Tectu> englishman, I'm messing with those three anchors 2018-01-02T01:27:44 < Tectu> it's difficult if you don't have proper snap stuff 2018-01-02T01:27:51 < Tectu> trying to align a simple 2x10 header 2018-01-02T01:28:04 < englishman> your picknplace will be much less precise 2018-01-02T01:28:31 < Tectu> I still need to get the pin into the hole 2018-01-02T01:28:43 < englishman> i dono i just drag them around til it looks good 2018-01-02T01:28:55 < Tectu> so you don't use the anchros thingy? 2018-01-02T01:29:05 < englishman> i dont know if that even existed in 17 2018-01-02T01:29:22 < Tectu> trying to do simple 90deg rotation 2018-01-02T01:29:30 < Tectu> ah, now got it 2018-01-02T01:29:37 < Tectu> properties dock is sometimes confusing me 2018-01-02T01:29:59 < Tectu> also, don't judge the precision of my dicknplace, Mr. englishman 2018-01-02T01:30:02 < Tectu> only highest of the qualities here 2018-01-02T01:30:36 < englishman> swiss watchmaking precision 2018-01-02T01:30:49 * englishman loses 4 minutes a day and switches to quartz 2018-01-02T01:31:01 < Steffanx> Because that really matters for through hole components right? 2018-01-02T01:32:17 < Tectu> is there a way to bypass the grid when dragging around 3d bodies? 2018-01-02T01:32:54 < englishman> yeah you cn turn off snap 2018-01-02T01:33:36 < Tectu> cn -> add new to project 2018-01-02T01:33:42 < Tectu> oh... can :p 2018-01-02T01:33:44 < englishman> vge? 2018-01-02T01:33:46 < Tectu> stop confusing 2018-01-02T01:34:00 < Tectu> definitely not vge 2018-01-02T01:34:39 < englishman> eah no 2018-01-02T01:34:42 < englishman> well this changed in 18 2018-01-02T01:34:45 < englishman> there used to be a menu 2018-01-02T01:34:59 < Tectu> better tell me how to do it in 18 then :p 2018-01-02T01:36:10 < englishman> aha 2018-01-02T01:36:16 < englishman> properties panel when nothing is selected 2018-01-02T01:36:47 < Tectu> I already set it to OFF but that didn't help :/ 2018-01-02T01:36:52 < Tectu> hence asking 2018-01-02T01:37:10 < englishman> wut 2018-01-02T01:37:11 < englishman> no 2018-01-02T01:37:12 < Tectu> never mind 2018-01-02T01:38:33 < Tectu> great, now I have an 0603 resistor, an 0603 capacitor and a female 2x10 2.54mm THT header. let's see what else this day will bring 2018-01-02T01:39:41 < englishman> once you get used to it, new footprints take 1-2min 2018-01-02T01:39:46 < englishman> even multipin etc 2018-01-02T01:39:55 < Laurenceb_> >female 2018-01-02T01:40:02 < Laurenceb_> don't assume it's gender 2018-01-02T01:41:27 < Tectu> I hope so 2018-01-02T01:41:30 < Tectu> shut up laurence 2018-01-02T01:42:28 < Tectu> time to figure out how to accurately place these headers on the board. it's some shield thingy for an olimex e407 2018-01-02T01:45:37 < Tectu> why the f is the selection box larger than the component footprint? https://www.screencast.com/t/nRlQCNUqjB 2018-01-02T01:54:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-85-229-184-17.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-02T01:54:29 < zyp> mismatched 3d body or somethin? 2018-01-02T01:56:25 < Tectu> looks prefect in the 3d 2018-01-02T01:56:37 < Tectu> also the mechanical layer 13, the pink thing shows that the 3d thing is properly aligned 2018-01-02T02:00:03 < englishman> go back to footprint and highlight stuff in that area 2018-01-02T02:00:12 < englishman> its easy to accidentally drop a trace or something 2018-01-02T02:00:32 < englishman> you can also go down thru the list of primitives and see if there is any stuff on hidden layers 2018-01-02T02:07:37 < Tectu> hmm, nothing 2018-01-02T02:11:44 < Tectu> power port question: so I add a VCC power port and rename it to 3V3 and all ports with that name will be in the same net? 2018-01-02T02:11:47 < Tectu> or is there some hidden magic? 2018-01-02T02:14:07 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T02:18:28 < englishman> you can change scope in project settings 2018-01-02T02:18:44 < englishman> by default that is the behaviour yes 2018-01-02T02:19:23 < englishman> there is no need to add an additional net name 2018-01-02T02:19:47 < Tectu> why are the GND ports so damn huge q__q 2018-01-02T02:20:07 < Tectu> https://www.screencast.com/t/rCYCDAcUFd 2018-01-02T02:20:26 < Tectu> power ports work fine with the 100mil pitch, the GNDs are too large to nicely pass wires along the sides 2018-01-02T02:23:29 < stvn> lol 2018-01-02T02:28:20 < stvn> it is a filthy unit 2018-01-02T02:30:40 < stvn> Everything will be better if you download a free operating system 2018-01-02T02:30:47 < englishman> ^ 2018-01-02T02:49:17 < Tectu> stop doing drugs, mr. crt 2018-01-02T02:52:21 < Laurenceb_> download lunix today 2018-01-02T02:52:29 < Laurenceb_> still more sane than embedded lunix 2018-01-02T02:52:40 < Laurenceb_> which in turn is more sane that BeagleBone Black 2018-01-02T02:52:44 < Laurenceb_> *than 2018-01-02T02:54:33 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome stvn 2018-01-02T02:55:12 < Steffanx> Better say Hello Welcome to the new people you meet today 2018-01-02T02:55:18 < stvn> hello welcome 2018-01-02T03:10:00 < Laurenceb_> autastic 2018-01-02T03:10:22 < Tectu> superspastic 2018-01-02T03:13:25 < dongs> dongs 2018-01-02T03:25:11 < Tectu> damn, altidongs docs are so nice compared to dicktrace and kiddycad 2018-01-02T03:25:55 < dongs> but they dont tell you why, they only tell you how 2018-01-02T03:26:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T03:28:24 < Tectu> true dat 2018-01-02T03:28:54 < Tectu> but kiddycad docs don't exist and dicktrace is well captn'obvious on almost everything and the non-self-explanatory stuff is not documented 2018-01-02T03:33:40 -!- noonien [uid162445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wcopqmsvxpsubsmv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-02T03:33:48 < Tectu> dongs, once you added your 20 pins of some custom soc module in the schematic symbol, is there a nice "spread automatically" command? 2018-01-02T03:34:09 < Tectu> cuz this is awkward: https://www.screencast.com/t/KKAKFQpm 2018-01-02T03:34:23 < jsoft> How do I add a C++ function to system workbench? 2018-01-02T03:34:43 < jsoft> Im getting main.c:97: undefined reference to `goober' 2018-01-02T03:35:16 < dongs> Tectu: 1) you obviously didn't add them on grid 2) you should use smart paste from xls/whatever for pin names/descriptions when you have mroe than 10 2018-01-02T03:35:32 < Tectu> dongs, but every one has a different name 2018-01-02T03:35:57 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [] 2018-01-02T03:36:08 < Tectu> dongs, https://www.screencast.com/t/iduXPjshzv6 2018-01-02T03:36:18 < dongs> of course. 2018-01-02T03:36:19 < Tectu> how would one smart paste that? 2018-01-02T03:38:23 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/NBcYIb81.html 2018-01-02T03:38:34 < dongs> i make excel like this by exporting from datasheet 2018-01-02T03:38:52 < Tectu> oh, that seems smart 2018-01-02T03:38:55 < Tectu> how does one import? 2018-01-02T03:39:07 < Tectu> cuz I just died doing those 20 pins in the altium pin config dialog 2018-01-02T03:39:58 < dongs> bring up schlib list panel, switch to edit mode, and do smart grid insert 2018-01-02T03:40:38 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/documentation/18.0/display/ADES/Sch_Pnl-SCHLIBList((SCHLIB+List))_AD#!SCHLIBList-UsingSmartGridPasteCommand 2018-01-02T03:41:40 < Tectu> thanks! 2018-01-02T03:45:26 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-02T03:48:55 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T03:50:46 < Tectu> dongs, is the autorouter any good? 2018-01-02T03:50:50 < dongs> no 2018-01-02T03:51:13 < Tectu> because no autorouter is or because no? 2018-01-02T03:56:04 < dongs> ive never used it seriously, autorouter just sucks anyway 2018-01-02T04:06:36 < Tectu> so lets say I designed a female header with the normal pin order. Now I use it to make a shield for a development board. In that case, the female headers need to be mounted on the bottom side of the board. So in altium I select them and assign them to the bottom layer. Everything looks nice, also in 3d. The problem is, now the pin ordering doesn't match the one from the dev board. eg pin 1 is no longer matching pin 1. How does one properly cope 2018-01-02T04:06:37 < Tectu> with that mr dongs? 2018-01-02T04:14:07 < dongs> http://www.allpcb.com/help_support_detail/Why-are-simple-PCBs-difficult-to-lay-out-in-High-end-PCB-layout-packages------6-1-15.html 2018-01-02T04:14:10 < dongs> i dont even 2018-01-02T04:15:23 < dongs> Tectu: i dont really understand the question 2018-01-02T04:15:34 < dongs> flipping to bottom layer wiht L while dragging surely doesn't change pin numbering 2018-01-02T04:17:14 < Tectu> dongs, it flips the footprint itself as well. I'd just need the connector on the other side of the board. I assume I have to create a footprint version where I just mount the 3d body on the bottom instead of the top side? 2018-01-02T04:17:48 < dongs> uhh no idea. for shit like connectors i dont even bother with 3D unless I need it for visual and then I can just put 3D model on top of it once its on the board 2018-01-02T04:18:41 < Tectu> I see 2018-01-02T04:18:45 < Tectu> mr lazyarse again :p 2018-01-02T04:18:59 < dongs> > it flips the footprint itself as well. I'd just need the connector on the other side of the board. 2018-01-02T04:19:03 < dongs> and yes, whats the problem with that? 2018-01-02T04:19:09 < dongs> it flips 3d model as well 2018-01-02T04:19:12 < dongs> if you have one 2018-01-02T04:19:18 < dongs> and it looks the same??? 2018-01-02T04:19:35 < Tectu> yes, but then pin 1 of the bottom board does not align up with pin 1 on the top board that I'm designing 2018-01-02T04:19:46 < Tectu> I was just wondering whether altidongs has some black magic wizardry option for that 2018-01-02T04:20:00 < dongs> the option is not to make garbage decisions when making things 2018-01-02T04:20:27 < dongs> and yes, i have some connector footprints that are marked as foward and reverse 2018-01-02T04:20:36 < dongs> but thats not for sticking them on teh bottom of the board 2018-01-02T04:20:41 < dongs> but because pinout is inverted for ~reasons~ 2018-01-02T04:22:13 < Tectu> dongs, so when I have a 2x10 connector symbold and I have different footprints for it (eg. THT and SMD), do I create two components in the schlib or just one schlib component and one chooses the correct footprint in the schematic? So kicad style or dicktrace style? 2018-01-02T04:22:38 < dongs> single symbol, with multiple footprints attached is what I would have. 2018-01-02T04:22:54 < Tectu> and is what you'd have a sane solution/choice? 2018-01-02T04:23:25 < dongs> it works for me, i don't see any benefit to having a header-1x4-smt vs header-1x4-pth or something 2018-01-02T04:23:30 < dongs> on schematic 2018-01-02T04:26:32 < Tectu> so dongs... earlier today I have been wondering whether positioning the 3d body really is that fuckly or whether I'm doing it wrong. It seems extremely complicated with those anchor things, especially as one doesn't seem to be able to change the camera view while in that mode 2018-01-02T04:27:12 < dongs> no idea never used anchor 2018-01-02T04:27:33 < dongs> i plop it down, flip on x/y/z until its correct, then move it with arrow keys on 0.1 grid to align 2018-01-02T04:27:43 < dongs> most manufacturer models are spot on when placed anyway 2018-01-02T04:27:48 < Tectu> how do you change the z ? 2018-01-02T04:28:30 < dongs> rotation x/y/z 2018-01-02T04:28:32 < dongs> and standoff height 2018-01-02T04:28:43 < dongs> for the 3d property 2018-01-02T04:28:48 < Tectu> oh, standoff... 2018-01-02T04:29:01 < dongs> some manufactuerer have it like in center of model 2018-01-02T04:30:04 < dongs> oh hell 2018-01-02T04:30:10 < dongs> they got rid of math in input fields in 18 2018-01-02T04:30:23 < dongs> you cant do shit like 11/2mm in x/y input boxes 2018-01-02T04:30:36 < dongs> i hope that shit is coming back asap 2018-01-02T04:30:46 < dongs> preferably in ALL inputs 2018-01-02T04:31:32 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gR1ekapOAE 2018-01-02T04:31:33 < dongs> lol 2018-01-02T04:33:08 < Tectu> oh no, the swissers again 2018-01-02T04:33:21 < Tectu> I even know that dude 2018-01-02T04:33:26 < Tectu> fun guy to have a beer with 2018-01-02T04:34:30 < Tectu> dongs, there's one thing I couldn't figure out (if you don't mind). Do you have any idea why the selection box is bigger than the footprint? https://www.screencast.com/t/EBnWLI6PBGZj 2018-01-02T04:34:38 < Tectu> I can't move it over the edge of the board due to that 2018-01-02T04:34:56 < Tectu> in pcblib it seems fine: https://www.screencast.com/t/F60ar7PE9Z7 2018-01-02T04:35:08 < Tectu> I also went through all the primitives and didn't find anything outside the actual footprint 2018-01-02T04:35:44 < dongs> odd, something is fucked. 2018-01-02T04:35:51 < Tectu> how to unfuck? 2018-01-02T04:36:32 < dongs> did you look at pcblib list to see if theres something there that shouldnt be 2018-01-02T04:36:45 < Tectu> yes, as mentioned I went through all the primitives 2018-01-02T04:38:01 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-02T04:38:44 < dongs> obviously you missed something. 2018-01-02T04:38:49 < dongs> that almost looks like some dumb hidden text layer 2018-01-02T04:38:58 < dongs> with shit like =Comment or something in it 2018-01-02T04:39:10 < Tectu> how to unhide? 2018-01-02T04:39:25 < Tectu> all layers are visible 2018-01-02T04:39:28 < dongs> donno, if its not in the pcb list im not sure 2018-01-02T04:41:45 < Tectu> created a new footprint and copy pasted just that stuff and then I don't have it anymore 2018-01-02T04:41:48 < Tectu> so definitely something hidden 2018-01-02T04:42:35 < Tectu> :( 2018-01-02T04:48:34 < dongs> wizard adds those uh.. i forgot whats its called 2018-01-02T04:49:31 < dongs> courtyard 2018-01-02T04:49:36 < dongs> and assembly layers 2018-01-02T04:49:45 < dongs> those are fucking annoying 2018-01-02T05:08:04 < aandrew> yeah turn on all layers, it's either a 3d body or text on a layer, almost guaranteed 2018-01-02T05:17:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-02T05:23:23 < dongs> hm what the shit 2018-01-02T05:23:27 < dongs> SWO isnt working on this 405 board 2018-01-02T05:24:06 < dongs> time to boot scope and see if its even sending anything 2018-01-02T05:24:24 < dongs> DBGMCU->CR |= DBGMCU_CR_TRACE_IOEN; thats all i need to enable trace right? 2018-01-02T05:24:55 < dongs> i mean i have ethis on ANOTHER 405 board and it works there so hmmmm 2018-01-02T05:35:53 < dongs> oops 2018-01-02T05:36:00 < dongs> i think i soldered SWO to wrong place on my shitty cable breakout 2018-01-02T05:39:51 < dongs> yes 2018-01-02T05:39:55 < dongs> i have cocks printing 2018-01-02T05:40:22 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/FjaCd2K.png connection must be really bad tho haha 2018-01-02T05:40:24 < dongs> missing chars and shit 2018-01-02T05:52:36 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K_nTNvyTtE 2018-01-02T05:54:36 < englishman> why doesnt he fuckin install a door in his house with a doorknob at a better height 2018-01-02T05:56:49 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@h84.166.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T06:06:12 < Cracki> almost the right size, almost 2018-01-02T06:07:59 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-02T06:08:50 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T06:09:23 < Cracki> no traction control 2018-01-02T06:15:26 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T06:43:27 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@178.149.120.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-02T06:49:06 < Tectu> aandrew, definitely not a 3d body 2018-01-02T06:49:22 < Tectu> aandrew, trying to figure out how to enable all layers, I'm in the layer stack manager thingy and it seems that all are visible 2018-01-02T06:53:01 < Tectu> yep, all layers visible 2018-01-02T06:53:19 < Tectu> I don't see courtyards or assembly layers though 2018-01-02T06:53:24 < Tectu> in the bottom tabs stuff 2018-01-02T07:05:24 < dongs> anything turned off in 'l' dialog? 2018-01-02T07:06:27 < dongs> man the new switch to "everything is a sidebar" fucks wiht keyboard navigation so bad 2018-01-02T07:06:35 < dongs> i wonder what shithead at altidumb thought it was a good idea 2018-01-02T07:06:43 < dongs> before i could bring upthat layer dialog see stuff in it and esc to cancel it 2018-01-02T07:06:50 < dongs> now its a sidebar and i HAVE to click to close it 2018-01-02T07:06:52 < dongs> fucking annoying 2018-01-02T07:07:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-02T07:07:16 < Tectu> dongs, nope, nothing turned off. trashed the part now. 2018-01-02T07:07:27 < dongs> ya shrug 2018-01-02T07:08:01 < Tectu> somehow still get a selection that's too big: https://www.screencast.com/t/rICHoGau4 2018-01-02T07:08:05 < Tectu> this time the other direction :p 2018-01-02T07:08:14 < dongs> thats your 3d shit, isnt it? 2018-01-02T07:08:25 < dongs> is it one of those right angle header shits 2018-01-02T07:08:38 < dongs> hm no 3d would be sticking out 2018-01-02T07:08:43 < dongs> as hashed pink 2018-01-02T07:09:01 < Tectu> nope, not right angled 2018-01-02T07:09:06 < Tectu> yep 2018-01-02T07:09:25 < Tectu> that currently drives me nutz 2018-01-02T07:38:20 < dongs> how does 5-10ms sound for a reasonably quickly pressed key on a faux-velocity sensing keyboard 2018-01-02T07:38:32 < dongs> from keypress to keydown 2018-01-02T07:38:39 < dongs> key travel around 10mm 2018-01-02T07:41:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T07:46:00 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T07:47:00 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-02T07:48:57 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-02T07:48:59 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T07:49:02 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-02T07:53:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 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a faux-velocity sensing keyboard 2018-01-02T08:20:03 < dongs> from keypress start to full keydown 2018-01-02T08:20:26 < emeb_mac> beats me - I don't do keys. just oscillators. :) 2018-01-02T08:20:52 < emeb_mac> midi keyboards have velocity sensing - I suppose there's some standard for that. 2018-01-02T08:21:19 < dongs> yeah i made one it just crashes after liek 10 key presses 2018-01-02T08:21:45 < dongs> and fucking windows if I forget to close midiox before debugging it'll get stuck on that device and ih aev to reboot to use it 2018-01-02T08:21:50 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T08:22:22 < dongs> opooh 2018-01-02T08:22:23 < dongs> hard fault 2018-01-02T08:22:26 < dongs> that should be fun 2018-01-02T08:25:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-02T08:25:16 < emeb_mac> I suppose the timing depends on how your sensors are set up 2018-01-02T08:25:33 < dongs> its just a dumb on at light press, and another one at full press 2018-01-02T08:25:40 < dongs> and time between is the delta 2018-01-02T08:25:40 < emeb_mac> old-style key velocity sensors used 2 contacts and measured the delta between them 2018-01-02T08:25:42 < dongs> yes 2018-01-02T08:25:45 < dongs> exactly this 2018-01-02T08:26:13 < emeb_mac> so if they're mechanically close then the delta is always pretty small 2018-01-02T08:26:34 < emeb_mac> but if you put them far apart then the time difference would be a lot larger. 2018-01-02T08:27:39 < dongs> ok hardfault fixed due 2 copypaste bug 2018-01-02T08:27:46 < dongs> i wonder how i can map this delta into velocity 2018-01-02T08:27:56 < dongs> i bet there';s a whole book about that shit involving curves and crap 2018-01-02T08:28:33 < emeb_mac> yes 2018-01-02T08:28:44 < emeb_mac> lots of different mappings 2018-01-02T08:28:48 < dongs> damn 2018-01-02T08:28:52 < dongs> yeah i just opened random forum 2018-01-02T08:29:01 < dongs> and apparently there's soft/medium/hard/fixed type shit 2018-01-02T08:29:16 < dongs> and its unlikely to be linear 2018-01-02T08:29:17 < dongs> hmm 2018-01-02T08:30:07 < emeb_mac> all the midi controllers I've got are pretty random at low velocity 2018-01-02T08:30:30 < emeb_mac> most read about 100 for "normal" keypresses 2018-01-02T08:30:55 < emeb_mac> and you have to smack them pretty hard/fast to get max 127 2018-01-02T08:31:13 < dongs> if I hit it really really fast im seeing something like 150us for delta which should be close to my measuring limit too 2018-01-02T08:31:27 < dongs> hm i havent checked since i made it scan at 2.5khz 2018-01-02T08:31:31 < dongs> it should be larger now 2018-01-02T08:33:14 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:e449:3c59:4f4b:c9f2] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-02T08:33:21 < dongs> ya like 1200us for fast press now 2018-01-02T08:33:45 < emeb_mac> not bad 2018-01-02T08:33:59 < dongs> i guess i should just make some kinda crap curve between 100ms and 1ms and map it to 1..127 2018-01-02T08:34:21 < emeb_mac> lookup tables are easy 2018-01-02T08:34:29 < emeb_mac> or just use the math 2018-01-02T08:36:00 < dongs> i wonder if wolframalpha has something 2018-01-02T08:36:17 < dongs> im too dumb for this 2018-01-02T08:39:40 < dongs> banned from digikey again 2018-01-02T08:39:43 < emeb_mac> I often prototype response curves in Matlab / Octave - can easily try out eqns and plot 2018-01-02T08:39:59 < emeb_mac> so Wolfram would probably be good too 2018-01-02T08:40:11 < emeb_mac> why banned? 2018-01-02T08:40:16 < emeb_mac> bought too much? 2018-01-02T08:40:24 < emeb_mac> shipped to enemies of the state? 2018-01-02T08:40:51 < emeb_mac> "We won't sell high-tech to best korea" 2018-01-02T08:40:54 < dongs> definitely the latter 2018-01-02T08:43:33 < emeb_mac> ordered some of the new lattice fpgas from D-K yesterday. they said they shipped this morning. somehow I don't believe that. 2018-01-02T08:43:46 < dongs> its possible 2018-01-02T08:43:48 < dongs> monday morning right? 2018-01-02T08:44:40 < emeb_mac> new years day? 2018-01-02T08:44:57 < dongs> pfft, as if they take breaks 2018-01-02T08:45:17 < emeb_mac> work those minnesotans like a rented mule. 2018-01-02T08:45:53 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-02T08:46:40 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T08:51:06 < dongs> isnt digikey texas 2018-01-02T08:51:11 < dongs> oh wait no 2018-01-02T08:51:13 < dongs> thief river somethign MN 2018-01-02T08:53:41 < dongs> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=164016 bah, almost but thats inverse of wat i wanna do 2018-01-02T08:55:03 < dongs> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodvel.htm haha 2018-01-02T08:58:33 < emeb_mac> heh - dat converter box. 2018-01-02T08:58:35 < emeb_mac> super pro 2018-01-02T08:59:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-02T09:09:39 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/0l9sd7Z.png something like this im sure its a one-liner in wolfram 2018-01-02T09:12:17 < dongs> bingo 2018-01-02T09:12:20 < dongs> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log+fit+%7B1,127%7D,%7B100,1%7D 2018-01-02T09:27:40 -!- Activate_ [025e370f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.15] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T09:32:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.136] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T09:46:18 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2018-01-02T09:47:16 -!- Activate_ [025e370f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.15] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2018-01-02T09:47:23 < qyx> looks like there were some chats during christmas 2018-01-02T09:47:59 < qyx> hny and many cheap stm32 to all 2018-01-02T09:57:15 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T10:05:35 < dongs> awd. 2018-01-02T10:05:46 < dongs> this dumb keyboard scanning is so shitty i think im actually getting fucking bounce 2018-01-02T10:33:01 -!- branjb 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fireworks time 2018-01-02T12:14:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-85-229-184-17.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-02T12:14:11 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-02T12:33:40 < stvn> i installed a free operating system 2018-01-02T12:56:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@2601:646:8200:6537:30b9:1b27:5719:6691] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-02T12:59:59 -!- dekar [~dekar@c-73-189-79-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T13:01:29 -!- dekar [~dekar@c-73-189-79-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-02T13:08:34 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-02T13:10:59 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T13:15:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-02T13:31:50 < Tectu> stvn, templeos? 2018-01-02T13:33:40 < stvn> in my dreams 2018-01-02T13:34:46 < stvn> i torrented the 17.10 whore and it worked for me 2018-01-02T13:36:01 < stvn> reasoning behind this is i'm going to run some free software, so if you're going to suck a cock, you may as well be fucked in the arse too. 2018-01-02T13:37:25 -!- kikes [~Janne@dyn3-82-128-188-4.psoas.suomi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-02T13:39:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T13:54:29 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T13:54:47 < stvn> !wz quebec 2018-01-02T13:54:48 < englishbot> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Overcast. Temp is -8°C but feels like -14°C. WSW wind: 13 kph. Humidity: 73%. 2018-01-02T13:58:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-02T14:00:30 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-02T14:02:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T14:03:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.136] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T14:08:33 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T14:10:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@80.249.94.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-02T14:18:01 < BrainDamage> huh weird, I've actually seen that said in several channels 2018-01-02T14:18:15 < BrainDamage> maybe 2018 is the year of the loonix desktop 2018-01-02T14:18:21 < stvn> he is everywhere 2018-01-02T14:19:27 < stvn> whatever happened to that 'steam box' shit 2018-01-02T14:19:50 < BrainDamage> it had mediocre design from start 2018-01-02T14:25:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@ua-85-229-184-17.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-02T14:26:57 < stvn> octave... 2018-01-02T14:40:49 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-02T14:47:40 < Tectu> the fuck is .Annotation for a file?! 2018-01-02T14:47:58 < Tectu> I thought I only need .PrjPCB .SchDoc and .PcbDoc ? 2018-01-02T14:53:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T15:14:47 -!- sterna [~Adium@62.119.166.1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T15:24:51 -!- noonien [uid162445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aokkwvdctzwubgkm] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T15:30:21 < tomeaton17> Why is C used much more than c++ in embedded applications 2018-01-02T15:32:13 < PaulFertser> C++ is rarely tought in a way suitable for embedded applications. 2018-01-02T15:33:24 < PaulFertser> Also, all vendors support C in their tools. 2018-01-02T15:33:56 < Steffanx> Tarduino is C++(ish) :P 2018-01-02T15:34:43 < PaulFertser> Yes, after somewhat tricky preprocessing INO files become C++ code. 2018-01-02T15:39:02 < karlp> mbed looks reasonablish too 2018-01-02T15:39:02 < dongs> "tricky" 2018-01-02T15:39:07 < dongs> more like completely fucking gay 2018-01-02T15:39:13 < karlp> not as messy as arduino 2018-01-02T15:39:24 < dongs> fucking ESXI 2018-01-02T15:39:27 < dongs> unplugged USB device 2018-01-02T15:39:34 < dongs> lunix kernel panic 2018-01-02T15:40:03 < zyp> thought you only used windows 2018-01-02T15:41:06 < dongs> well ESXI is lunix 2018-01-02T15:41:09 < dongs> or wahtever the fuck 2018-01-02T15:41:10 < dongs> at the base 2018-01-02T15:44:15 < PaulFertser> Time to get rid of your stupid altium dongs https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8818-designing_pcbs_with_code 2018-01-02T15:44:31 < dongs> i already know its python without even clicking 2018-01-02T15:44:33 < dongs> so that shit can fuck ight off 2018-01-02T15:45:00 < PaulFertser> One of the options is Java + Eclipse 2018-01-02T15:45:14 < zyp> haha 2018-01-02T15:46:35 < PaulFertser> And others are python generating kicad netlists, dongs' intution was correct. 2018-01-02T15:48:51 < dongs> gross. 2018-01-02T15:50:00 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-02T15:57:22 < tomeaton17> Looks interesting, I have found making 3d objects for 3d printing with code quite intuitive 2018-01-02T15:58:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T16:11:38 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T16:12:03 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T16:12:35 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: and what system are you using? 2018-01-02T16:14:06 < tomeaton17> PaulFertser: It was a long time ago, I think it was G-code 2018-01-02T16:14:32 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: modelling with G-code sounds unlikely 2018-01-02T16:14:54 < tomeaton17> No excuse me, it was translated into G-code, I cant remember what the high level language was called 2018-01-02T16:15:30 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T16:16:02 < Lux> most likely openscad 2018-01-02T16:16:32 < tomeaton17> I just remember being shown by a really old guy who was helping me with some robotics stuff 2018-01-02T16:21:14 < dongs> hello innovators 2018-01-02T16:23:14 < PaulFertser> Lux: with openscad I miss the way to tell it something like "now that you've created this cube, give me its far-right point under the XYZ name, and now create this cylinder using XYZ as origin", and also something like "create and place a cube in a way that it touches XYZ and NNN points". I'd expect this functionality to be straightforward and useful but somehow it's not there, probably it's just 2018-01-02T16:23:20 < PaulFertser> me not understanding something important. 2018-01-02T16:24:24 < Lux> yeah that would be useful, so far I just did that stuff manually 2018-01-02T16:24:46 < Lux> tbh so far I just did small stuff in openscad 2018-01-02T16:26:49 < englishman> Lux: some more bricked Edisons 2018-01-02T16:26:55 < dongs> how are you killin them 2018-01-02T16:26:58 < englishman> Reported as successful flash by dfu-util 2018-01-02T16:27:57 < englishman> it's pretty picky on which USB2 cable used. But I think it's lunix, because they only work when behind a usb hub 2018-01-02T16:28:03 < tomeaton17> yeah I think it was that 2018-01-02T16:28:30 < Steffanx> poor englishman. 2018-01-02T16:28:50 < englishman> agree 2018-01-02T16:29:16 < Tectu> well ESXI is lunix 2018-01-02T16:29:19 < Tectu> yep, they call it Proton 2018-01-02T16:29:29 < dongs> its still garbage 2018-01-02T16:29:50 < Tectu> I only had problems with it once so far 2018-01-02T16:29:55 < Tectu> and that was passing through a sound card 2018-01-02T16:29:57 < Tectu> never again. 2018-01-02T16:30:09 < Tectu> the machine crached when I plugged in a 3.5mm jack :p 2018-01-02T16:30:27 < dongs> ive got lots of VMs on it with 4 pcie passthrough devices between 3 different VMs 2018-01-02T16:30:38 < dongs> it works but it fucking crashed this evening when I unplugged a passed through USB device 2018-01-02T16:31:11 < englishman> Was it a USB3 port 2018-01-02T16:31:15 < Tectu> hmm 2018-01-02T16:31:17 < dongs> 2 2018-01-02T16:31:21 < englishman> nice 2018-01-02T16:31:31 < Tectu> mine is running fine. 22 VMs running well with 2 PCIe passthrough devices 2018-01-02T16:31:53 < Tectu> running out of memory though 2018-01-02T16:31:58 < dongs> too much lunix 2018-01-02T16:31:59 < Tectu> 116GB used of 128 :/ 2018-01-02T16:32:04 < Tectu> I don't lunix 2018-01-02T16:32:13 < Tectu> 75% of my guests are bsd 2018-01-02T16:32:18 < dongs> gross. 2018-01-02T16:32:28 < Tectu> stop being silly 2018-01-02T16:32:32 < Tectu> bsd is the love. 2018-01-02T16:32:37 < Tectu> it's like lunix in good 2018-01-02T16:32:42 < Tectu> steve knows. 2018-01-02T16:32:42 < Steffanx> Tectu - Lesson 1: Don't mention bsd near dongs. 2018-01-02T16:32:48 < Tectu> how come? Didn't know. 2018-01-02T16:32:55 < dongs> BSD is literally deader than *BSD 2018-01-02T16:32:55 < Steffanx> "deader than bsd". 2018-01-02T16:33:00 < dongs> ^ this 2018-01-02T16:33:06 < Tectu> then you're doing it wrong 2018-01-02T16:33:11 < Tectu> freebsd active as fuck 2018-01-02T16:33:17 < Tectu> ubuntu people are jealous. 2018-01-02T16:33:28 < Tectu> lunix < templeos < bsd 2018-01-02T16:33:39 < Steffanx> < windows 2018-01-02T16:33:44 < Tectu> :p 2018-01-02T16:36:47 < PaulFertser> englishman: aren't edisons jtaggable without any code, so not really brickable? 2018-01-02T16:40:12 < dongs> maybe if you have their carrier board 2018-01-02T16:40:58 < PaulFertser> Ah, it was for galileo 2018-01-02T16:41:23 < Tectu> how would a carrier board affect that? You'd still need to have the JTAG pins on the module 2018-01-02T16:41:53 < dongs> well yes, assuming they're there 2018-01-02T16:42:01 < dongs> i mean he has his own carrier for them which has no jewtag pins 2018-01-02T16:44:28 < dongs> its awesome getting $50.01 of stuff at mouser and getting free shipping 2018-01-02T16:44:33 < dongs> which cost them close to $50 anyway 2018-01-02T16:45:22 < PaulFertser> englishman: how about https://sourceforge.net/projects/xfstk/ ? 2018-01-02T16:45:31 < englishman> PaulFertser: yes there is ROM and console etc. Haven't bricked one yet for real but it's a pain in the ass 2018-01-02T16:46:11 < englishman> none of the DNX stuff ever worked for me on any platform lol 2018-01-02T16:46:18 < dongs> whatS DNX 2018-01-02T16:46:29 < englishman> Edison's non-uart flashing protocol 2018-01-02T16:46:35 < dongs> Embed Intel DnX USB Drivers 2018-01-02T16:46:39 < englishman> made for phone dfu 2018-01-02T16:46:43 < dongs> yes looks like it 2018-01-02T16:46:54 < englishman> it used to be called the phone flashing tool 2018-01-02T16:47:17 < dongs> Intel® Platform Flash Tool Lite 5.8.4 for Windows* 2018-01-02T16:47:17 < dongs> Intel® Platform Flash Tool Lite 5.8.4 for Ubuntu* 2018-01-02T16:47:17 < dongs> Intel® Platform Flash Tool Lite 5.8.4 for Fedora* 2018-01-02T16:47:19 < dongs> Intel® Platform Flash Tool Lite 5.8.4 for Mac OS* 2018-01-02T16:47:20 < dongs> haha. 2018-01-02T16:47:25 < dongs> this is where they made a mistake 2018-01-02T16:47:44 < dongs> and why edison is EOL 2018-01-02T16:48:27 < PaulFertser> flashall.sh --recovery heh 2018-01-02T16:48:49 < englishman> yeah that just attempts to use a different bootloader 2018-01-02T16:48:54 < dongs> its like that recent-ish lunix fuckup 2018-01-02T16:48:57 < englishman> last time there was a problem with device names 2018-01-02T16:49:02 < dongs> where some vendor install script was rm -rf /$variable 2018-01-02T16:49:13 < dongs> and under some conditions $variable was set to "" 2018-01-02T16:49:13 < englishman> as they renamed flash to MMC sometime in the lifecycle 2018-01-02T16:50:24 < englishman> -26C again 2018-01-02T16:50:49 < Steffanx> Brrrr 2018-01-02T16:50:51 < dongs> awful 2018-01-02T16:52:13 < englishman> say the basement dwellers 2018-01-02T16:54:04 < Steffanx> Is only 17-18C in my not basement 2018-01-02T16:55:18 < englishman> it's 37C in the hot tub 2018-01-02T16:55:39 < dongs> weather.exe in win10 1709 still crashes 2018-01-02T16:55:46 < dongs> so i have no way to change my location to japscat 2018-01-02T16:56:21 < dongs> apparently its 15C in washington, dc 2018-01-02T17:00:03 < Lux> englishman: that sucks 2018-01-02T17:00:28 < Lux> yeah right, renaming that stuff in uboot fixed the old boards 2018-01-02T17:01:07 < Tectu> dongs, what's the *.Annotation file? do I need that? I am building a .gitignore - do I need to include it? 2018-01-02T17:01:08 < Lux> are you using a vm to flash the edisons ? 2018-01-02T17:01:39 < Lux> so far I've had some issues with virtualbox on usb passthrough, seems like their implementation is utter shit 2018-01-02T17:02:17 < dongs> Tectu: it shows up if you do back sync of designators after renaming them on PCB to do ordered based on layout 2018-01-02T17:03:02 < Tectu> so fuck it then :p 2018-01-02T17:03:04 < dongs> so if you reannotate schematic top left, bottom down, then have randomly grouped stuff on pcb and reannotate on PCB to something completely different, when you sync it back to pcb it makes the annotation shit. so yeah its useful 2018-01-02T17:03:13 < dongs> i dont know why you already have it tho 2018-01-02T17:03:21 < Tectu> I was playing around 2018-01-02T17:03:33 < dongs> in that case trash it. 2018-01-02T17:03:54 < Tectu> but when I change the annotation in the pcb it has to migrate those changes into the sch, no? So what's the file there for? It can't possibly do mapping as that would mean that sch and pcb have different annotations for the same component? 2018-01-02T17:05:00 < dongs> it does, but it also keeps the original sch designator 2018-01-02T17:05:05 < dongs> i forgot where i have aproject where i did that 2018-01-02T17:05:09 < dongs> you can see the original one somewhere 2018-01-02T17:05:37 < Tectu> interesting 2018-01-02T17:05:53 < Tectu> altium is such wizardry. kicad would totally shit its pants 2018-01-02T17:06:06 < englishman> Lux nope Ubuntu 17 on metal. Bought computers just to not dick with crappy VMs 2018-01-02T17:07:25 -!- ingrix [ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T17:07:31 < Tectu> how is dicking with VMs a problem in 2018? 2018-01-02T17:07:44 < Tectu> I do tons of stuff in VMs including jewtaggery and never had any problems 2018-01-02T17:07:47 < Tectu> workstation for the rescue 2018-01-02T17:10:48 < dongs> jtag in freebsd? 2018-01-02T17:10:51 < dongs> lol 2018-01-02T17:11:13 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df028-20.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T17:13:15 < Steffanx> Happy 2nd day of the year kikes 2018-01-02T17:13:34 < kikes> hello stef 2018-01-02T17:13:42 < kikes> I got keys to my appartment 2018-01-02T17:13:49 < Steffanx> Welcome then. 2018-01-02T17:15:15 < Steffanx> Does your building include a sauna kikes? 2018-01-02T17:15:36 < kikes> yes 2018-01-02T17:15:38 < Steffanx> \o/ 2018-01-02T17:16:31 < dongs> ncie 2018-01-02T17:16:56 < kikes> but it has monthly payment 2018-01-02T17:17:29 < Tectu> lol 2018-01-02T17:17:31 < Tectu> shared sauna? 2018-01-02T17:17:32 < Tectu> wut. 2018-01-02T17:17:40 < Steffanx> why not? 2018-01-02T17:18:28 < kikes> and maybe 1-2 times a week there is time for you to take sauna 2018-01-02T17:18:33 < kikes> and I like sauna every day 2018-01-02T17:18:36 < Steffanx> You've never seen this sauna vs bus stop joke Tectu? 2018-01-02T17:18:42 < Steffanx> Sadly i cannot find it atm 2018-01-02T17:19:49 < Steffanx> http://insulinnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Insulin_Nation_Finland_Nude_Personal_Space_640px.jpg <= that Tectu 2018-01-02T17:20:00 < Tectu> is that sfw? 2018-01-02T17:20:05 < Tectu> boss is kinda a bitch 2018-01-02T17:20:05 < Steffanx> ya 2018-01-02T17:20:25 < Tectu> lol 2018-01-02T17:22:37 < zyp> even in norway, shared sauna is kinda common in apartment complexes 2018-01-02T17:22:54 < qyx> where are you esp pros 2018-01-02T17:23:09 < zyp> like, the complex has a gym for residents, which comes with showers and a sauna 2018-01-02T17:23:11 < qyx> what current draw should I expect from this https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/ESP8266-soil-moisture-sensor/1187519_32746901878.html 2018-01-02T17:23:48 < qyx> or maybe I should google first 2018-01-02T17:24:32 < dongs> weighted blankets have been used for years in occupational therapy, particularly for kids with autism. 2018-01-02T17:24:43 < dongs> can someoen chip in for mailing a weighted blanked to O_6 2018-01-02T17:24:48 < dongs> blanket 2018-01-02T17:25:12 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T17:25:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7vGa2HRew 2018-01-02T17:26:21 < dongs> qyx, nice internet of things thing there 2018-01-02T17:28:28 < kikes> my appartment balcony is so big I could live in it 2018-01-02T17:28:40 < kikes> glassed balcony 2018-01-02T17:29:02 < kikes> living standards 2018-01-02T17:29:51 < Tectu> zyp, do balls touch? 2018-01-02T17:29:53 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df028-20.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T17:30:16 < dongs> why wouldnt they 2018-01-02T17:36:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@68.2.65.130] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T17:38:10 < Laurenceb_> aretrapsgay32 2018-01-02T17:38:57 < Steffanx> Welcome to the club Laurenceb_ 2018-01-02T17:39:21 < Laurenceb_> the efnet of irc 2018-01-02T17:39:29 < Laurenceb_> *freenode 2018-01-02T17:40:38 < BrainDamage> it's ok to come out the closet Laurenceb, except for r2com that's in denial and has to overcompensate in attempt to hide it, nobody gives a shit here 2018-01-02T17:40:51 < dongs> haha 2018-01-02T17:41:10 < Steffanx> Hah, BrainDamage gaydar also works perfectly. 2018-01-02T17:41:22 < Steffanx> +'s 2018-01-02T17:50:08 < qyx> looks like 15mA in light sleep with wifi connected 2018-01-02T17:50:46 < qyx> ~1 week on 2xAA batteries 2018-01-02T17:51:52 < dongs> add solar panel 2018-01-02T17:51:56 < dongs> for perpetual motion 2018-01-02T17:53:42 < qyx> no worky 2018-01-02T17:53:48 < qyx> there is not much light under the plants 2018-01-02T17:54:10 < qyx> englishman: hows your plants 2018-01-02T17:58:12 < dongs> damn i lost my nvenc encode scripts again 2018-01-02T18:01:19 < Steffanx> Sounds like lunix. So it's useless anyway. Nothing lost. 2018-01-02T18:03:53 -!- fenugrec [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T18:04:00 < dongs> it was actually .cmd 2018-01-02T18:04:04 < Laurenceb_> >email 3d printering place 2018-01-02T18:04:25 < Laurenceb_> >get email back signed BA (hons) 2018-01-02T18:04:45 < Steffanx> 2018 is the year of the shaker gate Laurenceb_. Better give an update. 2018-01-02T18:04:57 < Laurenceb_> cuz they wouldnt be able to 3d print without a degree 2018-01-02T18:05:08 < Laurenceb_> heh havent been to work yet 2018-01-02T18:08:06 < Laurenceb_> lul they are all female 2018-01-02T18:08:10 < Laurenceb_> MGTOW were right 2018-01-02T18:09:01 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: 3d printering shaker parts atm 2018-01-02T18:10:09 < Laurenceb_> 3d printer grrrl is unbelievably posh, I think mummy and daddy got her a 3d printer 2018-01-02T18:11:00 < ReadErr> what does that even mean 2018-01-02T18:11:23 < Laurenceb_> >not knowing about shakergate 2018-01-02T18:12:55 < BrainDamage> laurenceb fingered a nonworking device capable to either shake a vehicle to simulate bumpy riding or satisfy the most sexual apathetic individual, now they are blaming it on him 2018-01-02T18:13:49 < Laurenceb_> lul noice explanation 2018-01-02T18:14:56 < Laurenceb_> >it's a 3d print place send me a quote not an invoice edition 2018-01-02T18:15:14 < Steffanx> How do you know it was nonworking before Laurenceb_ did that, BrainDamage? 2018-01-02T18:15:26 < BrainDamage> because that's what he claimed 2018-01-02T18:15:28 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx confirmed as boss 2018-01-02T18:15:35 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-02T18:15:41 < Laurenceb_> u broke it 2018-01-02T18:15:44 < Laurenceb_> no u 2018-01-02T18:16:41 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T18:22:27 < fest> qyx: my esp32 autism project consumes around 50uA in timer-wakeup sleep mode (but I used an LDO with ~40uA quiescent current) 2018-01-02T18:22:42 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T18:23:15 < fest> About 3-4 months battery life waking up every 15 minutes and transmitting a reading 2018-01-02T18:23:36 < fest> (3 Ah lion battery) 2018-01-02T18:26:32 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-02T18:29:31 < qyx> so it is not continuously connected to the wifi? 2018-01-02T18:31:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-02T18:33:53 < emeryth> qyx: check out the xiaomi BLE plant sensor, it will work for months on a single coin cell 2018-01-02T19:00:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@62.119.166.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-02T19:12:35 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5b438577.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2018-01-02T19:22:16 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5f584c65.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T19:22:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T19:30:31 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2018-01-02T19:40:23 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T19:40:40 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T19:41:32 -!- fenugrec is now known as fenugrec__ 2018-01-02T19:48:46 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004BJ5GA0 a steal 2018-01-02T19:49:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5aaG7jIfC0 2018-01-02T19:49:33 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-02T19:49:39 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5gk0CfXfrg 2018-01-02T19:49:42 < Laurenceb_> skillz 2018-01-02T19:50:32 < dongs> is this your school pals 2018-01-02T19:50:38 < Laurenceb_> >GERMan 2018-01-02T19:50:40 < Laurenceb_> so no 2018-01-02T19:51:13 < BrainDamage> it's working, can't be related to laurenceb 2018-01-02T19:51:23 < Laurenceb_> top trawl 2018-01-02T19:53:39 < branjb> are germans allowed to build rockets? 2018-01-02T19:53:51 < Laurenceb_> lul 2018-01-02T19:54:21 < Laurenceb_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Armisticetrain_%28slight_crop%29.jpg/220px-Armisticetrain_%28slight_crop%29.jpg 2018-01-02T19:54:23 < Laurenceb_> ^no 2018-01-02T19:54:44 < Laurenceb_> oh wait we didnt think of rockets 2018-01-02T19:57:25 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/yxNV5_FQomdIXYaZx-6bCIVVcnOs3FU1o92-mM3XaCU.jpg 2018-01-02T19:58:23 < dongs> thanks for a 5x5 jpeg, FAGGOT 2018-01-02T19:58:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-19e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T19:58:58 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: ^^ yeah, a smart bot to count that would certainly be interesting to have 2018-01-02T20:01:26 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T20:01:36 < kikes> secks 2018-01-02T20:02:04 < kikes> I need something to replace potentiometer in my 10000lumen bright light 2018-01-02T20:02:15 < kikes> as in software 2018-01-02T20:02:28 < PaulFertser> kikes: doing any stm32 there or just chilling out? 2018-01-02T20:02:40 < kikes> chilling at my friends place atm 2018-01-02T20:03:10 < kikes> it's to be used as wake up light because finland doesn't have sun 2018-01-02T20:03:23 < kikes> something fast to throw together 2018-01-02T20:03:35 < PaulFertser> kikes: what is the actual range of the voltage on the middle pin of the potentiometer you observe? 2018-01-02T20:04:00 < kikes> light is still in it's box for transporting to my appartment 2018-01-02T20:04:09 < kikes> so that I don't ruin it when movin 2018-01-02T20:04:23 < PaulFertser> kikes: if it's below 3.3 you can just use integrated an DAC, right? 2018-01-02T20:04:40 < kikes> there is a little to no brain in it 2018-01-02T20:05:27 < kikes> it's cathode light tube 2 x 55W 2018-01-02T20:05:56 < kikes> I don't think there is any parameters appart from that potentiometer that affect to it 2018-01-02T20:06:13 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T20:06:15 < kikes> I assume it's triac controller? 2018-01-02T20:06:41 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T20:10:24 < kikes> PaulFertser, but more so I'm looking for almost-ready2fly code and then use whatever platform it's made for 2018-01-02T20:11:06 < kikes> prefferably alarm clock code with display driver 2018-01-02T20:11:27 < PaulFertser> kikes: if you just want to replace you potentiometer with microcontroller, there should be no special code required, just write whatever needed to DAC periph, I'd guess. 2018-01-02T20:11:45 < kikes> yes 2018-01-02T20:12:11 < kikes> maybe it's faster to write a code myself 2018-01-02T20:12:37 < kikes> use hardware alarm for rtc 2018-01-02T20:12:51 < kikes> some graphics library for display etc. 2018-01-02T20:12:59 < kikes> if even that 2018-01-02T20:13:04 < kikes> just acsii 2018-01-02T20:21:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T20:33:35 < Laurenceb_> > replace you potentiometer with microcontroller 2018-01-02T20:33:40 < Laurenceb_> this sounds arduino tier 2018-01-02T20:34:34 < kikes> yes 2018-01-02T20:34:50 < BrainDamage> use a literal arduino if it's simpler 2018-01-02T20:35:22 < BrainDamage> just don't publish on social media, just pm the usual haters should be sufficient 2018-01-02T20:35:47 < Laurenceb_> >still no invoice from 3d printerz 2018-01-02T20:35:51 < Laurenceb_> i can't even right now 2018-01-02T20:40:00 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T20:42:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-02T20:45:40 < Tectu> altidongs track widths... can one only do that through design rules net classes stuff? no way to just say "use 5mm now and don't give a fuck"? 2018-01-02T21:11:56 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-19e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T21:11:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-19e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T21:23:51 < englishman> qyx: 15mA is a lot 2018-01-02T21:24:53 < englishman> Tectu: yes of course 2018-01-02T21:26:41 < aandrew> Tectu: no you can specify 2018-01-02T21:27:30 < Tectu> how? 2018-01-02T21:28:41 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-02T21:31:08 < jpa-> shift+w while drawing 2018-01-02T21:37:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@83.226.224.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T21:37:50 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-19e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T21:38:57 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-02T21:54:28 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T21:58:36 < Tectu> I tried that, didn't actually change the width when I selected another one from the pop'd up table 2018-01-02T22:04:07 < zyp> just hit tab and set whatever width you want 2018-01-02T22:11:07 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Q8moB.png <- you can even use a narrower width for a single segment of a trace like this (the one passing between the capacitor pads under the qfn) 2018-01-02T22:15:23 < aandrew> heh. trying to figure out the major highlights of cortex M3 vs M4 (hint; it's DSP) but that led me down the difference between armv6 and v7, and now thumb1 vs thumb2 2018-01-02T22:15:59 < zyp> DSP, and the optional FPU 2018-01-02T22:16:04 < Tectu> zyp, well, hitting tab and setting the width in the properties thing at the right doesn't change the width either 2018-01-02T22:16:14 < aandrew> yes 2018-01-02T22:16:16 < zyp> Tectu, sure it does 2018-01-02T22:16:22 < Tectu> no here 2018-01-02T22:16:31 < Tectu> I enter 5mm, hit enter and then it's normal size 2018-01-02T22:16:38 < zyp> Tectu, are you trying to set it to a value outside the range allowed by the rules? 2018-01-02T22:16:58 < zyp> if so: stop trying to break the rules :) 2018-01-02T22:18:20 < Tectu> ah 2018-01-02T22:18:24 < Tectu> default rules 0.254mm everywhere 2018-01-02T22:18:26 < Tectu> screw that 2018-01-02T22:19:26 < Tectu> also, since when does jpa- do altium? 2018-01-02T22:20:07 < Tectu> and suddenly it works. Thanks guys! 2018-01-02T22:21:02 < Laurenceb_> thumb2 makes asm great again 2018-01-02T22:21:38 < zyp> Tectu, I tend to set preferred width to whatever I normally route with, minimum to whatever minimum the pcb fab allows, and maximum high enough that it basically never matters 2018-01-02T22:22:05 < zyp> unless you're doing impedance controlled shit, that's the way to go 2018-01-02T22:22:56 < Tectu> makes sense. 2018-01-02T22:23:56 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T22:24:06 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T22:26:25 < Tectu> zyp, so I have a straight trace where I managed to make a portion of it (segment) a smaller width to pass through a 2.54mm header. Now I want to move that point/joint where the two different widths meet. But that somehow doesn't work. And it's not beacause the DRC doesn't allow. any idea? I assumed that I'd just pick up the end point and move it around but nothing happens 2018-01-02T22:27:34 < zyp> just use the route tool and draw over the part you want to change, loop removal will remove the old part you're drawing over 2018-01-02T22:28:02 < zyp> once you get used to loop removal, redrawing shit tends to be faster than moving it around 2018-01-02T22:28:07 < Tectu> I see 2018-01-02T22:28:14 < Tectu> route tool -> interactive rooting? 2018-01-02T22:28:27 < zyp> yes 2018-01-02T22:28:27 < Tectu> ah that worked very nicely. thanks a lot! 2018-01-02T22:28:32 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2018-01-02T22:28:41 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T22:29:30 < Tectu> are there shortcuts to change from the top layer to the bottom one? o.O 2018-01-02T22:29:43 < zyp> of course 2018-01-02T22:30:16 < Tectu> would you mind sharing them with me? 2018-01-02T22:30:17 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2018-01-02T22:30:47 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T22:30:48 < Tectu> darn 2018-01-02T22:30:50 < zyp> +/- 2018-01-02T22:30:58 < Tectu> thanks :) 2018-01-02T22:31:08 < zyp> IIRC 2018-01-02T22:31:39 < Steffanx> that doesnt exactly answer his question, but it does answer how to switch layers ;) 2018-01-02T22:31:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@83.226.224.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-02T22:31:42 < zyp> been almost a year since I did much in altium 2018-01-02T22:31:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-19e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T22:31:59 < Tectu> Steffanx, well I figured that '2' places a via and then just +/- to switch the layer 2018-01-02T22:32:13 < zyp> so I don't remember all the shortcuts off the top of my head 2018-01-02T22:32:45 < englishman> also * to drop via and stay on layer 2018-01-02T22:32:55 < englishman> no 2 2018-01-02T22:33:01 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-02T22:33:02 < englishman> I dono it's muscle memory now 2018-01-02T22:33:23 < zyp> switching layer while routing also drops a via unless you're starting from one 2018-01-02T22:33:35 < zyp> or however that was 2018-01-02T22:33:37 < englishman> * cycles thru signal layers 2018-01-02T22:33:38 < englishman> yes 2018-01-02T22:33:57 < zyp> +/- switches through all layers normally, but only signal layers while routing 2018-01-02T22:35:38 < Tectu> is there an auto-necking feature? 2018-01-02T22:38:38 < Steffanx> auto what? 2018-01-02T22:39:04 < Tectu> auto necking 2018-01-02T22:39:11 < Tectu> eg. trace getting smaller when passing through a connector row 2018-01-02T22:39:22 < englishman> you can put a fill region 2018-01-02T22:39:52 < englishman> otherwise trace width is specified by you 2018-01-02T22:40:38 < Tectu> Okay 2018-01-02T22:40:42 < Tectu> first alitum PCB done 2018-01-02T22:40:47 < Tectu> thank you people of the friendly kind 2018-01-02T22:40:53 < Tectu> also dongs 2018-01-02T22:41:14 < englishman> Wait til you test it to say it's done 2018-01-02T22:41:30 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/sargonofisreal 2018-01-02T22:41:31 < Tectu> I never screwed up a PCB 2018-01-02T22:41:33 < Tectu> 2018-01-02T22:43:00 < Tectu> hmm... when there's multiple stuff on top of each other, how can I select which one I want to select? Is there a contect menu where one can select which item to actually select? 2018-01-02T22:44:23 < aandrew> Tectu: I was gonna say yeah fuckin right :-) 2018-01-02T22:45:13 < Steffanx> but 2018-01-02T22:46:38 < zyp> Tectu, you click and that menu pops up 2018-01-02T22:52:23 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:68b6:f552:baf2:d835] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T23:01:32 < Tectu> Sir Pro for you. 2018-01-02T23:09:16 < fest> qyx: yes, it wakes up, associates with AP, does it's thing and goes back to sleep 2018-01-02T23:09:44 < Tectu> you just described my ex girlfriend 2018-01-02T23:11:49 < fest> I did have a feeling that someone will make a joke out of that sentence :) 2018-01-02T23:12:04 < qyx> hm, okay 2018-01-02T23:12:07 < Tectu> pleased to meet you 2018-01-02T23:12:30 < Tectu> qyx, thanks again for recognizing that bulgin connector a few weeks ago. Totally saved the party. 2018-01-02T23:12:40 < fest> ##stm32 never disappoints 2018-01-02T23:12:54 < Tectu> ah, you're not that new then if you already learned that :p 2018-01-02T23:13:01 < Tectu> I was just long-term afk 2018-01-02T23:13:14 < qyx> Tectu: np 2018-01-02T23:16:04 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2018-01-02T23:18:42 < fest> isn't there some kind of JLinkExe magic to auto detect connected target? 2018-01-02T23:20:05 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-02T23:21:13 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T23:24:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-02T23:25:50 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T23:30:53 < kikes> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UT7y1b4GcJ6KiCPIKH-0K2li9TO12SAq/view?usp=sharing my appartment 2018-01-02T23:32:40 < Laurenceb_> nice trip switches 2018-01-02T23:37:24 < englishman> Looks good kaka 2018-01-02T23:37:31 < englishman> welcome to bachelor life 2018-01-02T23:37:42 < englishman> where is the sauna 2018-01-02T23:38:32 < upgrdman> using my old nexus4 as a wifi camera to monitor my 3d printer. works surprisingly well at 480p and is acceptable at 720p. this old phone is keeping up at 12-14Mbps. i guess i'll see how hot the phone gets. it's already pretty warm. 2018-01-02T23:39:58 < upgrdman> hmm. i wonder if the cpu is on the backside or lcd side of the phones pcb. i could ways ghetto this fucker with the back case off and glue some heatsink to the cpu. 2018-01-02T23:42:56 < Laurenceb_> >not paying for 3d printering 2018-01-02T23:43:06 < BrainDamage> kikes: the shower stall not having a recess means you'll get quite a bit of spillover 2018-01-02T23:43:07 < Laurenceb_> >not waiting all day for invoice that never arrives 2018-01-02T23:43:53 < kikes> well 2018-01-02T23:44:10 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.71] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T23:44:10 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.71] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-02T23:44:10 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-02T23:44:47 < Laurenceb_> Hearing a lot of UNAMERICAN talk in this thread, 2018-01-02T23:44:50 < kikes> bathroom is quite long 2018-01-02T23:44:52 < BrainDamage> also, find the shittiest couch available around, and invite some friends and try to get a housewarming party 2018-01-02T23:45:00 < Laurenceb_> god bless america 2018-01-02T23:45:06 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-02T23:46:09 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_ if i wanted a rng my computer has a perfectly adequate function already 2018-01-02T23:46:19 < kikes> BrainDamage, why? 2018-01-02T23:46:29 < kikes> shitty couch 2018-01-02T23:46:38 < kikes> and try to get 2018-01-02T23:46:43 < englishman> are we invited 2018-01-02T23:46:43 < BrainDamage> something about tradictions 2018-01-02T23:47:08 < kikes> englishman, I was just about to say my friends live 400km and 800km away 2018-01-02T23:47:09 < BrainDamage> also shitty allows it to be found fast 2018-01-02T23:47:27 < kikes> but sure 2018-01-02T23:48:43 < kikes> it will be friend or 2 coming here at the time 2018-01-02T23:48:57 < kikes> and homewarmings for eveyone seperatelly 2018-01-02T23:51:51 < kikes> so no homewarmings 2018-01-02T23:52:05 < kikes> if critical mass doesn't exceed 2018-01-02T23:52:19 < BrainDamage> invite neighbours 2018-01-02T23:52:29 < BrainDamage> trick them telling it's a sauna 2018-01-02T23:52:40 < BrainDamage> so that no complains about personal space will be had 2018-01-02T23:52:43 < Tectu> how's global warming going, englishman ? 2018-01-02T23:52:52 < Tectu> lol BrainDamage 2018-01-02T23:53:06 < kikes> is englishman inventng global warming? 2018-01-02T23:53:47 < BrainDamage> if you get enough people, they won't even be able to tell a difference from an actual sauna 2018-01-02T23:54:01 < kikes> yes 2018-01-02T23:54:03 < englishman> Tectu: the hot tub remains at 37C 2018-01-02T23:54:06 < kikes> and they get naked too 2018-01-02T23:59:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-19e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] --- Day changed Wed Jan 03 2018 2018-01-03T00:04:57 < Tectu> wtf is the purpose of the board planning mode? 2018-01-03T00:07:15 < Laurenceb_> it will be friend or 2 coming here at the time 2018-01-03T00:07:20 < Laurenceb_> no homo the thread 2018-01-03T00:07:46 < kikes> I don't know how you got there 2018-01-03T00:08:47 < kikes> you need to check your gender 2018-01-03T00:09:06 < kikes> *sexuality 2018-01-03T00:09:07 < Laurenceb_> where abouts in Finland are you atm? 2018-01-03T00:09:35 < kikes> Oulu 2018-01-03T00:09:58 < Laurenceb_> https://www.adultwork.com/ViewProfile.asp?UserID=3712196&Keywords=&KeySearch=1&TargetURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eadultwork%2Ecom%2FSearch%2Easp%3FRefreshVar%3D02%252F01%252F2018%2B22%253A09%253A33%26CommandID%3D1%26cboCountryID%3D123%26cbxGenderID%3D%26cboLastUpdated%3D27%252F12%252F2017&NavUserIDs=3916519x4337847x4088351x3712196x3423093 2018-01-03T00:10:05 < Laurenceb_> Helsinki surely 2018-01-03T00:10:26 < kikes> I don't open that 2018-01-03T00:10:48 < Laurenceb_> wow that looks cold 2018-01-03T00:11:43 < kikes> it's like northest proper city 2018-01-03T00:12:39 < kikes> rovaniemi too but it's not like properly sized 2018-01-03T00:12:47 < Steffanx> No seperate bed room kikes ? 2018-01-03T00:13:20 < kikes> what would I need that for? 2018-01-03T00:13:48 < Steffanx> To not cook in the same room you sleep in 2018-01-03T00:14:04 < BrainDamage> yeah, that's going to suck a bit 2018-01-03T00:14:11 < BrainDamage> some smells linger 2018-01-03T00:15:33 < Steffanx> Anyway, its a first step. Once you make real munny you can go bigger :) 2018-01-03T00:15:51 < Tectu> don't worry about money 2018-01-03T00:15:54 < Tectu> just buy some 2018-01-03T00:16:14 < Steffanx> Or suk a kok. Like mr bike repair man 2018-01-03T00:16:22 < kikes> Steffanx, or smaller 2018-01-03T00:16:37 < Steffanx> Smaller ?! 2018-01-03T00:17:36 < Tectu> smaller kok 2018-01-03T00:17:41 < Tectu> sauna kok 2018-01-03T00:18:09 < BrainDamage> btw, is the balcony with a glass pane? 2018-01-03T00:18:32 < Tectu> what are we even talking about? 2018-01-03T00:18:43 < Tectu> tectu should sleep 2018-01-03T00:18:51 < Steffanx> Yes sleep. 2018-01-03T00:19:00 < Tectu> you're not my supervisor! 2018-01-03T00:19:24 < Steffanx> But im your sleep buddy. The one that advices you when to sleep 2018-01-03T00:19:49 < BrainDamage> sleep buddy really does sound pervert 2018-01-03T00:20:14 < kikes> BrainDamage, yes foldable glass panels 2018-01-03T00:20:18 < Steffanx> That was intentional. To make Laurenceb_ less special 2018-01-03T00:20:28 < kikes> finland things 2018-01-03T00:20:52 < Laurenceb_> thats not a fin 2018-01-03T00:21:27 < Tectu> is this breivik talk? 2018-01-03T00:21:48 < Steffanx> No kikes showed us his new house..m 2018-01-03T00:22:40 < Steffanx> Who is you, superbia ? 2018-01-03T00:23:22 < Steffanx> Ranewen is one. Who is the other? 2018-01-03T00:23:32 < Tectu> re-show 2018-01-03T00:23:37 < Tectu> please 2018-01-03T00:23:48 < Steffanx> Better sleep talsit 2018-01-03T00:23:52 < Steffanx> Tectu 2018-01-03T00:23:57 < Tectu> ok 2018-01-03T00:23:57 < Tectu> cu 2018-01-03T00:23:59 < Tectu> o/ 2018-01-03T00:24:50 < BrainDamage> just don't do like my friend which has a carpet in front of the stove, simple words cannot describe how disgusting it gets 2018-01-03T00:27:54 < kikes> http://www.eurocon.se/app/uploads/2015/10/kiruna.jpg swedes city in north looks dope 2018-01-03T00:28:15 < Steffanx> Never felt the need to drop a a hot pan or something BrainDamage ? 2018-01-03T00:28:15 < Tectu> that's like 2015 trolling 2018-01-03T00:28:30 < Steffanx> Just to force the friend to get rid of it 2018-01-03T00:28:31 < kikes> picture taken in june when sun shines first time 2018-01-03T00:29:17 < Steffanx> Did you look at the date Tectu ? 2018-01-03T00:29:33 < Steffanx> In dreamland? 2018-01-03T00:29:37 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-03T00:30:05 < Tectu> stop forcing me to take of my cloth 2018-01-03T00:30:19 < Steffanx> Sleep naked? 2018-01-03T00:30:35 < Steffanx> Stop making me say these things 2018-01-03T00:30:54 < Tectu> yes of course, what else? 2018-01-03T00:30:59 < Tectu> in a ski suit? 2018-01-03T00:31:19 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf_ieWnu-SE old musics times 2018-01-03T00:31:46 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: what do you mean dropping a hot pan? 2018-01-03T00:34:20 < Steffanx> Burn a hole in the carpet in front of thr stove BrainDamage 2018-01-03T00:34:37 < Steffanx> Small accident to show how bad the idea was 2018-01-03T00:34:53 < BrainDamage> no, it's sufficiently disgusting to see as is 2018-01-03T00:35:37 < Tectu> BrainDamage, I still don't get what makes it so disgusting 2018-01-03T00:35:49 < upgrdman> https://i.gyazo.com/5aaa8ce2da9c97858c89118e8b1a477f.mp4 2018-01-03T00:36:20 < BrainDamage> Tectu: when you cook you're never neat, all sort of spills and crap fly around, which will embed in the carpet 2018-01-03T00:36:26 < kikes> britt new year? 2018-01-03T00:36:47 < BrainDamage> now you either was the carpet everytime you cook, or it's going fester with the most obnoxious shit 2018-01-03T00:37:21 < Tectu> ooh, I thought we talk about a wood stove 2018-01-03T00:37:25 < Tectu> now the hot pan thing makes more sense too 2018-01-03T00:37:28 < Tectu> I should sleep. 2018-01-03T00:37:36 < upgrdman> good job Iceland https://imgur.com/Pr1fMjI 2018-01-03T00:38:02 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: OLD 2018-01-03T00:38:13 < BrainDamage> dawngs linked it with audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzocvtLZRyg 2018-01-03T00:38:42 < Steffanx> upgrdman: we do that too in dutchland 2018-01-03T00:38:47 < Steffanx> Let me find the vid 2018-01-03T00:38:58 < Thorn> >This is Iceland. If a volcano doesn't set your car and house on fire, the neighbor will... 2018-01-03T00:39:00 < upgrdman> this looks like fun: https://i.imgur.com/awaM280.gifv 2018-01-03T00:40:28 < ds2> ....another year.... 2018-01-03T00:40:43 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/a/NvEHg 2018-01-03T00:40:49 < upgrdman> thats one way to celebrate ^ 2018-01-03T00:40:54 < Steffanx> Not extremely visible, but you get the idea upgrdman: 2018-01-03T00:40:57 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/4cP9ZM_YAX4 2018-01-03T00:41:09 < BrainDamage> my jeans caught fire after some idiot aimed his fireworks at crowd level in munich during new years 2018-01-03T00:41:38 < upgrdman> Steffanx, haha nice 2018-01-03T00:43:11 < aandrew> ah see there we go 2018-01-03T00:43:22 < Steffanx> Only one that died from fireworks this yet 2018-01-03T00:43:27 < aandrew> Thumb2 is an extension of thumb that allows both 16 and 32-bit coded instructions 2018-01-03T00:43:39 < aandrew> and Cortex M is T2 only, where A and R are both arm and thumb2 2018-01-03T00:48:01 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:68b6:f552:baf2:d835] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-03T00:49:19 < upgrdman> prolly old but lol https://www.reddit.com/r/noisygifs/comments/7nis6j/all_terrain_my_ass/ 2018-01-03T00:52:02 < ds2> R is ARM32? 2018-01-03T00:53:56 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T00:57:28 < aandrew> apparently 2018-01-03T01:03:59 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-03T01:12:27 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-03T01:23:05 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/647ezt4.jpg 2018-01-03T01:25:57 < Laurenceb_> fifty six percent 2018-01-03T01:27:56 < jadew> what's new this year? 2018-01-03T01:30:42 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-03T01:30:52 < jadew> 4:1 multiplexer? 2018-01-03T01:37:08 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T01:37:22 < upgrdman> superbia, you had that bookmarked huh 2018-01-03T01:37:42 < jadew> no, he linked it from his cart 2018-01-03T01:38:54 < englishman> Tectu: sometimes exterior dimensions can get complicated, especially with flex or rigidflex 2018-01-03T01:40:49 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T02:08:20 < upgrdman> 3d printer pros: in case you care, microcenter sells 1kg spools of pla and abs for $15. better price than amazon. 2018-01-03T02:08:53 < upgrdman> not sure if ebay.cn/ali is cheaper, but $15 is not bad for USA 2018-01-03T02:11:48 < ds2> how is the shipping at microcenter? 2018-01-03T02:14:40 < upgrdman> dunno. i live 25minute drive from them 2018-01-03T02:17:34 < ds2> oh blah. they closed the local one :( 2018-01-03T02:38:23 -!- dekar [~dekar@2601:646:8200:6537:549f:bf85:c58:f7d] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T02:44:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T03:24:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-03T04:20:11 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/n644phun another altidong streamer 2018-01-03T04:22:37 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-03T04:23:05 < branjb> is his bg music techno? 2018-01-03T04:23:14 < dongs> no 2018-01-03T04:23:16 < dongs> some gay shit 2018-01-03T04:23:23 < dongs> from shittify 2018-01-03T04:23:24 < branjb> wtf 2018-01-03T04:23:48 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T04:32:07 < MrMobius> altidong steamer is like a cleveland steamer? 2018-01-03T04:32:18 < dongs> pretty much 2018-01-03T04:32:56 < dongs> according to R2COM using altidong is literally like taking a shit on all orcad users 2018-01-03T04:36:05 < MrMobius> according to R2COM I'm a "fucking retard" 2018-01-03T04:36:35 < MrMobius> so he's either wrong about things sometimes or... 2018-01-03T04:52:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@68.2.65.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-03T05:14:49 < englishman> amateur cam 2018-01-03T05:15:18 < englishman> wow this guy is slow 2018-01-03T05:16:37 < englishman> wtf is this trash 2018-01-03T05:17:14 < dongs> autism 2018-01-03T05:22:34 < Laurenceb_> amateur cam 2018-01-03T05:22:42 < Laurenceb_> is dat some pronz? 2018-01-03T05:29:27 < MrMobius> http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/aa55f2605fc0dd8a4474e1b4e2ee1053 2018-01-03T05:38:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-03T06:08:15 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HLKXlIMY/bahahahatrump.png 2018-01-03T06:10:23 < dongs> the only people who follow trump twitter are the type who deserve to be looking at dongs 24/7 2018-01-03T06:26:18 < upgrdman> lol https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2743691 2018-01-03T06:26:29 < upgrdman> vapers and 3d printerers 2018-01-03T06:27:06 < englishman> welcome to 2013 2018-01-03T06:27:59 < jpa-> Tectu: i don't do altium, but i can google :P 2018-01-03T06:38:45 < dongs> > If you vaporize for medical reasons or otherwise, 2018-01-03T06:41:00 < MrMobius> such as euthanasia 2018-01-03T06:52:50 < Rob235> woo, got it reading my custom file type and converting it into SVG: https://imgur.com/a/2pJVi 2018-01-03T06:55:57 < upgrdman> if anyones looking for an android app that turns your old phone in a wifi camera, i finally found that one fucking works. DroidCam. unlike others, it fucking works. it doesnt crash, it doesnt overheat my phone, and it has decent features. 2018-01-03T06:57:43 < upgrdman> literally all the others i found sucked ass. crashed when changing settings. crashed after a few minutes. had no features (couldnt turn on flashlight, couldnt focus, etc.) or had shit FPS 2018-01-03T07:08:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-03T07:08:58 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2018-01-03T07:10:51 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T07:11:35 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2018-01-03T12:14:46 < Steffanx> Y no google right Tectu ? 2018-01-03T12:15:07 < Steffanx> Mornin' steven 2018-01-03T12:15:23 < stvn> google is proprietary software mate 2018-01-03T12:15:34 < Tectu> yeah, I only use open stuff or delphi stuff 2018-01-03T12:16:28 < Tectu> Steffanx, this was not very helpful in telling me how to actually choose the size: http://www.altium.com/documentation/18.0/display/ADES/WorkspaceManager_Dlg-SmartPdf((Smart+PDF+Wizard))_AD 2018-01-03T12:16:32 < Tectu> but maybe I'm doing it wrong 2018-01-03T12:22:55 < stvn> wow you're running 18.0 ? 2018-01-03T12:23:09 < Tectu> of course 2018-01-03T12:23:22 < Tectu> autism is compensated by professional dark theme. 2018-01-03T12:23:24 < stvn> I gotta sell my arse on the street for that gear 2018-01-03T12:23:31 < stvn> indeed 2018-01-03T12:23:44 < Tectu> why? 2018-01-03T12:23:51 < stvn> lel 2018-01-03T12:38:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T12:40:15 < stvn> memetics 2018-01-03T12:41:17 < Tectu> stop pumpin' 2018-01-03T12:41:32 < stvn> i want to ask laurence about gnu octave 2018-01-03T12:44:37 < qyx> powerful INTEL 80186 microprocessor is used in signal processing 2018-01-03T12:44:46 < qyx> lulz 2018-01-03T12:44:57 < stvn> wut? 2018-01-03T12:45:17 < dongs> tectu, why would that be altidumb-relevant 2018-01-03T12:46:16 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/documentation/15.1/display/NEXUS/WorkspaceManager_Dlg-SmartPdf((Smart+PDF+Wizard))_AD#!SmartPDFWizard-PaperSizesforGeneratedPDF 2018-01-03T12:46:22 < dongs> i mean its right there on the page 2018-01-03T12:46:57 < Steffanx> But thats 15.1" dongs. 2018-01-03T12:47:08 < dongs> lol you think they change that in the last 8-something versions? 2018-01-03T12:47:10 < dongs> its been same for years 2018-01-03T12:47:21 < dongs> and no, actually thats 'altium nexus 1.0' 2018-01-03T12:47:24 < dongs> the url lies 2018-01-03T12:47:30 < dongs> but the same dialog is there 2018-01-03T12:47:32 < dongs> in all versions 2018-01-03T12:48:56 < Tectu> dongs, my problem is that I don't see where I select the size I want 2018-01-03T12:49:14 < Tectu> dongs, they say "selecting an A3 paper size when generating ..." I have no idea where to select that q__q 2018-01-03T12:49:18 < Tectu> must be missing the obviousness 2018-01-03T12:55:07 < dongs> looks like its under 'default prints' 2018-01-03T12:55:17 < dongs> file->default prints 2018-01-03T12:55:22 < dongs> schematic prints and page size 2018-01-03T12:55:40 < dongs> page setup 2018-01-03T12:56:22 < Tectu> oh 2018-01-03T12:56:26 < Tectu> at least not that obvious 2018-01-03T12:56:27 < Tectu> thanks 2018-01-03T12:56:40 < dongs> it didnt work tho. thats literalyl for printing. 2018-01-03T12:56:47 < dongs> so no idea 2018-01-03T12:57:06 < dongs> oh, ouytput job editor shit 2018-01-03T12:57:10 < dongs> come on nigger its right above 2018-01-03T12:57:16 < dongs> its the shit I never use cuz it looked like too much work 2018-01-03T12:57:24 < Tectu> how come you never used PDF export 2018-01-03T12:57:26 < dongs> if you do smartpdf once it'll save an .outjob 2018-01-03T12:57:29 < Tectu> do you even do real work? 2018-01-03T12:57:30 < dongs> no, i never used outjob shit 2018-01-03T12:57:40 < dongs> file->smartpdf and not fucking make outjob shit 2018-01-03T12:58:00 < Tectu> I did use file->jewpdf 2018-01-03T12:58:12 < Tectu> and I did get a PDF. but the PDF page size is not the same as the alidongs page size 2018-01-03T12:58:17 < Tectu> so borders in the PDF 2018-01-03T12:58:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-03T12:58:27 < dongs> thats not what happens 2018-01-03T12:58:29 < dongs> it does scale it 2018-01-03T12:59:43 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-03T12:59:50 < dongs> it works if you do page setup (same dialog as printing defaults) 2018-01-03T12:59:51 < dongs> from outjob 2018-01-03T13:00:25 < dongs> now i got a 22x17in pdf 2018-01-03T13:00:30 < dongs> instead of 11.8.5 2018-01-03T13:00:41 < dongs> anyway, I've never had issues with altidumb scaling stuff down to 8x11 2018-01-03T13:00:51 < dongs> even if I choose type C etc for schematic sheet size 2018-01-03T13:01:31 < Tectu> where is this outjob you talk about? 2018-01-03T13:01:54 < dongs> run smartpdf once and it'll have an option to make it on last page 2018-01-03T13:04:56 < Tectu> oh, so you need to have the .outjew tab open and then use file->page setup?! 2018-01-03T13:05:16 < Tectu> lol no 2018-01-03T13:05:17 < Tectu> what 2018-01-03T13:05:22 < Tectu> why is my brain so stupid 2018-01-03T13:05:37 * stvn 2018-01-03T13:05:42 < dongs> no you nigger 2018-01-03T13:05:55 < dongs> page setup is in outjew 2018-01-03T13:06:59 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ekU9XdR.png 2018-01-03T13:07:07 < Tectu> https://www.screencast.com/t/qHF8OxTnKoy 2018-01-03T13:07:17 < dongs> yes.. 2018-01-03T13:07:19 < Tectu> ah come on. fuck that 2018-01-03T13:07:19 < dongs> right click the shit 2018-01-03T13:07:20 < Tectu> seriously 2018-01-03T13:07:21 < Tectu> fuck that 2018-01-03T13:07:21 < dongs> nope 2018-01-03T13:07:23 < Tectu> fuck you altidongs 2018-01-03T13:07:39 < dongs> makes total sense 2018-01-03T13:07:42 < dongs> same UI as page setup too 2018-01-03T13:08:00 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-03T13:08:30 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T13:11:13 < Tectu> brb uninstalling altidumpz 2018-01-03T13:11:33 < dongs> lolz 2018-01-03T13:11:39 < dongs> gb2kikecad 2018-01-03T13:14:40 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T13:19:25 < Tectu> well the border size changed but I still get a border q__q 2018-01-03T13:19:27 < Tectu> schematic is A4 2018-01-03T13:19:30 < Tectu> page setup is A4 2018-01-03T13:19:32 < Tectu> what is this shittery 2018-01-03T13:19:33 < dongs> wut 2018-01-03T13:19:36 < dongs> what fucking border 2018-01-03T13:19:42 < dongs> the hell are you autisming about 2018-01-03T13:19:51 < dongs> ive printed hundreds of schematics to pdf and never had any issues lol 2018-01-03T13:20:12 < Tectu> even preview of .outjew shows it 2018-01-03T13:20:14 < Tectu> https://www.screencast.com/t/soWlHKienOl 2018-01-03T13:20:29 < dongs> you mean.. titles??? 2018-01-03T13:21:05 < dongs> you can remove title block if you want but the abc/123 border is nto removable 2018-01-03T13:21:15 < Tectu> oh 2018-01-03T13:21:20 < dongs> you know what its for right??? 2018-01-03T13:21:26 < Tectu> well, previously there were real borders :p 2018-01-03T13:21:28 < dongs> so you can tell someone to look at pdf part B2 or whatever 2018-01-03T13:21:29 < Tectu> at least now it works 2018-01-03T13:21:37 < Tectu> I don't mind the abc/1234 2018-01-03T13:21:45 < Tectu> I mind the top and bottom border/whitespace 2018-01-03T13:21:58 < Tectu> padding 2018-01-03T13:22:11 < dongs> thats because your PDF size isn't same as architecture sheet sizes that are default 2018-01-03T13:22:21 < Tectu> and there is the problem. 2018-01-03T13:22:24 < Tectu> -> why not 2018-01-03T13:22:27 < dongs> set pdf size to same sheet size as ARCH A/B/C whatever 2018-01-03T13:22:29 < dongs> then it will be correct 2018-01-03T13:22:37 < dongs> because you picked fucking A4 or something 2018-01-03T13:22:41 < dongs> instead of same size as schematics 2018-01-03T13:22:44 < Tectu> yes of course I'm picking fucking A4 2018-01-03T13:22:50 < Tectu> because I want to print it on a fucking A4 piece of shit 2018-01-03T13:23:05 < dongs> then what the fuck do you expect it to rescale and move everything for y ou? 2018-01-03T13:23:07 < Tectu> well my schematic shit is set to A4. isn't that how you do things? 2018-01-03T13:23:11 < dongs> no 2018-01-03T13:23:35 < dongs> default sizes are those arch ones. 2018-01-03T13:24:09 < Tectu> .schdoc -> file -> page setup -> print paper A4 2018-01-03T13:24:14 < Tectu> I guess I am/was doing it wrong then? 2018-01-03T13:24:20 < dongs> yes. 2018-01-03T13:24:24 < dongs> completely wrong 2018-01-03T13:24:28 < Tectu> even the fucking grid table thingy at the bottom right hand corner of the schematic says A4 2018-01-03T13:24:29 < dongs> sheet size is in sidebar 2018-01-03T13:24:40 < dongs> under 'properties' 2018-01-03T13:24:43 < dongs> page options. 2018-01-03T13:24:49 < Tectu> yes, that's A4 too 2018-01-03T13:24:55 < dongs> used to be under d-o shortcut but they moved that shit into sidebar. 2018-01-03T13:25:03 < dongs> sorry to hear that. 2018-01-03T13:26:00 < Tectu> https://www.screencast.com/t/ONVNXLCuDg 2018-01-03T13:26:25 < dongs> i donno man 2018-01-03T13:27:14 < Tectu> q__q 2018-01-03T13:27:17 < Tectu> the rage 2018-01-03T13:39:18 < stvn> i've been dirtied by linux 2018-01-03T13:42:40 < Tectu> dongs, do you have schematic symbols for male and female headers or just one and then choosing the proper footprint? 2018-01-03T13:49:46 < dongs> no just one symbol 2018-01-03T13:49:48 < dongs> with nubmer of pns 2018-01-03T13:49:50 < dongs> pins 2018-01-03T13:54:11 < Tectu> don't lie to me, Mr. dongs 2018-01-03T13:54:17 < Tectu> I know you're into female stuff 2018-01-03T14:00:45 < Adluc> Hello guys, does anyone have an 40x40 thermeletric generator (TEG)? 2018-01-03T14:01:56 < Tectu> oh boy 2018-01-03T14:02:01 < Tectu> what would this be about? 2018-01-03T14:20:16 < qyx> I have a TEC of that size 2018-01-03T14:20:29 < qyx> but works as a teg 2018-01-03T14:21:47 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/YZlFl top 100 word use in ##stm32 not what i expected. The top 10 is pretty standard. "Shit" made it to the top 100 though. 2018-01-03T14:32:22 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T14:36:16 < qyx> oh too 2018-01-03T14:37:54 < dongs> not lunix 2018-01-03T14:38:01 < dongs> you should remove non-words from there 2018-01-03T14:38:08 < dongs> shit like i/a/etc 2018-01-03T14:38:21 < dongs> and "t he" 2018-01-03T14:38:34 < Steffanx> but im lazy :P 2018-01-03T14:38:41 < Steffanx> im not going to modify shit by hand 2018-01-03T14:58:00 < Laurenceb> sup trollz 2018-01-03T14:58:50 < Laurenceb> there is a phantom 7.8GB usb drive on my lunix machine 2018-01-03T14:58:54 < Laurenceb> NSA records? 2018-01-03T14:59:27 < stvn> fucking 2018-01-03T14:59:42 < Laurenceb> 68F86F430D0ACC614F1EDBBD 2018-01-03T14:59:47 < Laurenceb> v interesting 2018-01-03T15:00:25 < Laurenceb> nothing on lsusb 2018-01-03T15:00:33 < Laurenceb> I'll blame lunix drive manager 2018-01-03T15:04:32 < zyp> "drive manager" 2018-01-03T15:04:34 < zyp> heh 2018-01-03T15:05:12 < stvn> laurenceb does octave do anything? 2018-01-03T15:05:28 < Laurenceb> stvn: it analyzez ur dataz 2018-01-03T15:05:38 < Laurenceb> stvn: what are u trying 2 do? 2018-01-03T15:06:12 < stvn> control system design all the fun stuff 2018-01-03T15:06:45 < Laurenceb> dunno if it is the right tool 4 you 2018-01-03T15:06:50 < stvn> it aint 2018-01-03T15:06:54 < stvn> i miss mr.matlab 2018-01-03T15:07:12 < Steffanx> methlab* 2018-01-03T15:07:16 < stvn> lol 2018-01-03T15:07:33 < stvn> methlab and the freqz 2018-01-03T15:07:45 < Laurenceb> I'm still a virgin and plan on keeping it that way. I like the idea of going through life with a perfect score. I did consider having sex for once but that would ruin my 100% celibacy grade. 2018-01-03T15:07:57 < zyp> Laurenceb, sorry to hear that 2018-01-03T15:09:05 < Steffanx> Easy one: Who is this ( data based on 2017) https://imgur.com/a/1l2Yl 2018-01-03T15:09:31 < Laurenceb> dongs 2018-01-03T15:10:11 < BrainDamage> that's a lot of zyps 2018-01-03T15:18:04 < stvn> yeah 2018-01-03T15:18:30 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/18/01/02/193100939.jpg 2018-01-03T15:19:02 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/18/01/01/092628076.jpg 2018-01-03T15:19:31 < Steffanx> oh no, that first one is dutch 2018-01-03T15:19:49 < dongs> lolwat how the fuck do yo u know 2018-01-03T15:20:05 < BrainDamage> name in the silkscreen 2018-01-03T15:20:11 < Steffanx> Yes, and it looks pretty dutch 2018-01-03T15:21:20 < stvn> looks like some kind of bomb 2018-01-03T15:21:39 < Laurenceb> wow thats some nasty shit 2018-01-03T15:21:54 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/26/213152325.jpg 2018-01-03T15:21:55 < dongs> ugh 2018-01-03T15:21:58 < Laurenceb> Mr Ool has a lot to answer for 2018-01-03T15:22:18 < Laurenceb> that third one is actually less fail 2018-01-03T15:22:32 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/23/023754736.png w u t 2018-01-03T15:22:33 < BrainDamage> third one looks like a diy project board 2018-01-03T15:22:47 < Laurenceb> 2nd is worst 2018-01-03T15:22:49 < karlp> what's with the hate? 2018-01-03T15:22:59 < Laurenceb> this is a hate speech board 2018-01-03T15:23:04 < Laurenceb> we hate all the things 2018-01-03T15:23:21 < Laurenceb> today we incite hated of PCBs 2018-01-03T15:23:34 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/21/165204397.jpg ohh, found k0stix board 2018-01-03T15:23:42 < dongs> the jew that comes in here once and a while wiht hsi synth shit 2018-01-03T15:23:51 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/21/165207726.jpg 2018-01-03T15:23:52 < Laurenceb> F407 wut 2018-01-03T15:23:56 < Laurenceb> so confuse 2018-01-03T15:24:10 < dongs> 407 is on the back, obviouslty 2018-01-03T15:24:21 < Laurenceb> on yuga dip adaptor? 2018-01-03T15:24:28 < Laurenceb> *yuge 2018-01-03T15:24:28 < dongs> no, 2nd pic 2018-01-03T15:24:33 < Laurenceb> oh 2018-01-03T15:24:45 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/20/231728503.jpg looks ilke some emeb shit 2018-01-03T15:25:04 < Laurenceb> this is some nasty shit 2018-01-03T15:25:04 < Steffanx> Too commie. 2018-01-03T15:25:12 < dongs> last link is actually from .nl 2018-01-03T15:25:29 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1f_1514963195 2018-01-03T15:25:38 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/19/044301344.jpg single layer 2018-01-03T15:25:59 < Laurenceb> lul 2018-01-03T15:26:02 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/17/172325767.jpg found kikemir's board 2018-01-03T15:26:16 * Laurenceb heils 2018-01-03T15:26:35 < BrainDamage> those are N connectors, not sma 2018-01-03T15:26:41 < dongs> details 2018-01-03T15:26:50 < zyp> nazi connectors 2018-01-03T15:26:58 < stvn> lol 2018-01-03T15:27:31 < dongs> haha wow what 2018-01-03T15:27:56 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/16/230026262.jpg http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/16/230027392.jpg 2018-01-03T15:28:09 < Laurenceb> Russian?? 2018-01-03T15:28:12 < Laurenceb> hackerz 2018-01-03T15:28:50 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/15/175357709.jpg 2018-01-03T15:28:54 < Laurenceb> lul https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=000_1514953335 2018-01-03T15:29:37 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-03T15:29:41 < BrainDamage> probably audio synth 2018-01-03T15:29:49 < BrainDamage> they need a lot of knobs 2018-01-03T15:29:49 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/15/125938966.jpg nice silk 2018-01-03T15:29:53 < dongs> BrainDamage: its still that guys boards 2018-01-03T15:30:12 < dongs> K0stiX or wahtever. 2018-01-03T15:30:43 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a8b_1514938825 2018-01-03T15:30:53 < BrainDamage> I'm mildly annoyed by the unaligned switches on the right side 2018-01-03T15:30:58 < dongs> http://file.allpcb.com/comment/17/12/14/081433489.jpg nazi board 2018-01-03T15:31:04 < dongs> BrainDamage: he said that twas on "purpose" 2018-01-03T15:31:15 < dongs> those are arpeggio shits or somethign 2018-01-03T15:31:26 < dongs> when he psoted his etched single alyer shit in here teh same question came up 2018-01-03T15:32:22 < aandrew> why are you trolling the allpcb image library 2018-01-03T15:32:30 < dongs> i had it open to check status of my order 2018-01-03T15:32:36 < dongs> and went to see latest stuff 2018-01-03T15:42:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T15:42:58 < karlp> is allpcb substantially better or anything? 2018-01-03T15:43:03 < karlp> it's much more expensive than elecrow 2018-01-03T15:45:46 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2018-01-03T15:49:15 < dongs> karlp: wat 2018-01-03T15:50:31 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@imcool.fyi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:02:15 < Laurenceb> wew superbia1 2018-01-03T16:02:44 < Laurenceb> I should start work on my weird sex inventions 2018-01-03T16:03:34 < Steffanx> You could repurpose shaker parts. 2018-01-03T16:03:49 < Laurenceb> a cunning plan 2018-01-03T16:04:01 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:04:33 < Laurenceb> I was thinking more of 2018-01-03T16:04:35 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5YVxN7b38 2018-01-03T16:04:44 < Laurenceb> >Comments are disabled for this video. 2018-01-03T16:06:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-03T16:06:57 < Laurenceb> I bet there is a pervert channel on freenode 2018-01-03T16:06:59 < Laurenceb> def on efnet 2018-01-03T16:07:07 < Steffanx> I spotted you on TV yesterday Laurenceb. You were one of the cooks in one of those Gordon Ramsay shows 2018-01-03T16:11:24 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-03T16:13:04 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:13:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:14:37 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-03T16:15:00 < Laurenceb> I should try to get pervert $$$ 2018-01-03T16:17:59 < Steffanx> Try chaturbate 2018-01-03T16:18:36 < Laurenceb> might encounter my cousin 2018-01-03T16:19:19 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/U94PL9s 2018-01-03T16:20:08 < Laurenceb> looks fun to hang out with that guy 2018-01-03T16:21:31 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:22:03 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: theres some entire network for fetish shit 2018-01-03T16:22:15 < Laurenceb> >ReadErr knows about this 2018-01-03T16:22:17 < ReadErr> its been mentioned on lrh cant remember the name 2018-01-03T16:22:21 < Laurenceb> imagine my shark 2018-01-03T16:22:25 < Laurenceb> heh 2018-01-03T16:22:50 < Laurenceb> stm32 powered sex shit when 2018-01-03T16:23:01 < ReadErr> get ur ass back to hogwortz you goon 2018-01-03T16:26:00 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/jCrDPnz.png 2018-01-03T16:26:36 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:30:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T16:46:40 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:47:46 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-03T16:48:20 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:52:35 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:54:10 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-03T16:54:54 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T16:56:33 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T17:00:38 < Laurenceb> hmm how do i gimp 2018-01-03T17:00:46 < Laurenceb> I need to copy a selection 2018-01-03T17:01:17 < Rob235> thanks! 2018-01-03T17:01:21 < Rob235> hmm my town is in the national news for a quadruple homicide new years eve 2018-01-03T17:01:25 < Rob235> didnt mean to say thanks... 2018-01-03T17:02:28 < Steffanx> You're welcome, Rob235 2018-01-03T17:02:43 < Rob235> :) 2018-01-03T17:03:21 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/2pJVi 2018-01-03T17:03:57 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-03T17:04:11 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T17:04:53 < Steffanx> Better get that think done, so you can finish the studying Rob235 ;) 2018-01-03T17:04:57 < Steffanx> *thing 2018-01-03T17:05:16 < Rob235> yea I gotta stop wasting so much time on this hah 2018-01-03T17:05:23 < Rob235> i enjoy it though 2018-01-03T17:05:54 < Steffanx> :P 2018-01-03T17:06:03 < Rob235> fuck the real world :) 2018-01-03T17:06:28 < Rob235> I actually started yesterday working on my classes so that I can sign up for them and just submit the work 2018-01-03T17:07:19 < qyx> Laurenceb: I would try ctrl+c and ctrl+v 2018-01-03T17:07:46 < Laurenceb> "selected region is empty" 2018-01-03T17:07:48 < Laurenceb> funtimes 2018-01-03T17:07:55 < Rob235> wrong layer? 2018-01-03T17:08:01 < qyx> then I would select something 2018-01-03T17:08:12 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T17:08:28 < Laurenceb> hmm 2018-01-03T17:08:34 < Laurenceb> its got to be something layer related 2018-01-03T17:09:05 < Laurenceb> but i dont know what 2018-01-03T17:09:21 < Rob235> just get photoshop 2018-01-03T17:10:08 < Rob235> its what, $10 a month? 2018-01-03T17:10:08 < Laurenceb> heh 2018-01-03T17:10:13 < Laurenceb> it seems to be working 2018-01-03T17:10:18 < Laurenceb> merged all the layers 2018-01-03T17:10:32 < Rob235> there you go 2018-01-03T17:12:31 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T17:21:40 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-03T17:24:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T17:29:06 < Steffanx> I bet it was Ranewen 2018-01-03T17:31:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T17:32:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-03T17:32:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T17:47:45 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-03T17:52:41 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T17:53:34 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T17:53:40 < kikes> first day at jubbs 2018-01-03T18:13:37 < Laurenceb> Anon absolutely DESTROYS SLAMSCRUSHES clickbait and it's beautiful 2018-01-03T18:15:04 < Laurenceb> watch as middle-aged British man COMPLETELY DESTROYS German city of Dresden with Lancaster bombers and it's beautiful 2018-01-03T18:15:37 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-03T18:25:34 < Laurenceb> I watched a video someone posted on reddit last night, based mom completely destroyed feminist cuck. Like totally based, based fucking based mom is that based wave of feminist not the beta cucked wave lmao. 2018-01-03T18:26:21 < Laurenceb> Dude that's nothing kek. I met a based black guy the other day. I went up to him in WallShart wearing my based MAGA hat and based swimming wings and said Shadilay to trigger the libs epic style. FUCKIN BASED. 2018-01-03T18:28:17 < karlp> based? 2018-01-03T18:30:01 < englishman> millenial term 2018-01-03T18:30:10 < englishman> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Based 2018-01-03T18:31:41 < jpa-> have they finally replaced Laurenceb with a neural network? the output seems more coherent than usual 2018-01-03T18:32:37 < englishman> good evening jpa, glad to have yo back 2018-01-03T18:32:51 < jpa-> back from what? 2018-01-03T18:33:05 < englishman> from not chatting very often 2018-01-03T18:34:31 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-03T18:35:08 < BrainDamage> oh no, you broke the magic, now he got aware he's not real and threw in a logic loop 2018-01-03T18:35:14 < BrainDamage> and disconnected 2018-01-03T18:35:34 < jpa-> yeah 2018-01-03T18:36:53 < qyx> who is a logic loop? 2018-01-03T18:37:23 < BrainDamage> laurenceb is on one now, questioning its existance 2018-01-03T18:38:53 < englishman> qyx: havent been working on that project much, too busy 2018-01-03T18:38:59 < englishman> i think il try it again with a chinese wifi chip 2018-01-03T18:39:06 < englishman> did you get yours stuff below 15mA? 2018-01-03T18:39:21 < englishman> i think mine was drawing 7mA at peak load which was for milliseconds 2018-01-03T18:39:37 < englishman> then some bursts above that on xmit 2018-01-03T18:39:55 < Swappage> good evening :) 2018-01-03T18:40:21 < qyx> englishman: I haven't done anything useful with it for the last year 2018-01-03T18:40:28 < englishman> ah 2018-01-03T18:40:30 < englishman> same as me then 2018-01-03T18:43:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T18:46:36 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T18:47:33 -!- fenugrec__ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T18:48:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8HWwlzqbj4 lol 2018-01-03T18:48:13 < dongs> two dead things are back 2018-01-03T18:49:24 < aandrew> hah 2018-01-03T18:49:26 < aandrew> I heard that TempleOS isn't affected by the Intel problem because it runs everything in ring0 as God intended 2018-01-03T18:50:40 < dongs> shitheads are blowing this garbage waaay out of proportion 2018-01-03T18:55:00 < karlp> qnx was an old OS wasn't it? 2018-01-03T18:55:18 < aandrew> found the TempleOS user 2018-01-03T18:55:39 < aandrew> where there is no trusted code issues, instructions execute on Faith alone 2018-01-03T18:58:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:01:27 -!- fenugrec__ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-03T19:04:21 < dongs> karlp: ancient 2018-01-03T19:04:32 < dongs> they used to have a full desktop environment on a floppy demo 2018-01-03T19:04:42 < dongs> that booted on ~standard 486 or whatever hardware with VGA 2018-01-03T19:04:53 < dongs> even back then it was better than lunix desktop 2018-01-03T19:05:13 < dongs> http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html 2018-01-03T19:09:07 < aandrew> yep I prbbaly stil have that floppy sonewhere 2018-01-03T19:09:10 < aandrew> fuck I can't type 2018-01-03T19:09:37 < dongs> you do, i just linked it 2018-01-03T19:10:00 < aandrew> no I mean the physical black floppy with purple label 2018-01-03T19:10:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:15:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-03T19:17:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:29:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-03T19:32:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:34:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:38:19 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-03T19:39:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-03T19:42:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:43:45 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:47:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T19:47:58 -!- kow__ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:51:01 -!- kow_ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-03T19:53:30 -!- kow_ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T19:57:00 -!- kow__ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-03T19:58:23 -!- kow_ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T20:04:47 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T20:06:12 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T20:15:05 < Laurenceb> holy shit ripdog is back 2018-01-03T20:17:32 -!- kow_ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T20:20:52 -!- noonien [uid162445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-soanufatodkylwxv] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-03T20:22:31 -!- kow__ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T20:25:37 -!- kow_ [~kow@135.0.26.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-03T20:48:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T21:03:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-94e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T21:06:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-03T21:10:06 < kikes> I need bench multimeter 2018-01-03T21:10:22 < kikes> with dual display / input 2018-01-03T21:10:39 < kikes> connection to computer with decently fast sample rate for current and voltage 2018-01-03T21:11:12 < kikes> dual input as measure voltage and current both same time 2018-01-03T21:19:36 < englishman> sounds like you want an oscilloscope 2018-01-03T21:20:31 < kikes> hmm 2018-01-03T21:20:33 < kikes> maybe 2018-01-03T21:22:48 < BrainDamage> oscope won't measure current tought, and it has the annoyance of the ground tied terminals 2018-01-03T21:23:05 < englishman> yeah will need some additional parts to measure current 2018-01-03T21:23:07 < BrainDamage> you can slap a resistor and measure potential across, but then you'll need 2 channels 2018-01-03T21:23:10 < englishman> but then you can also control impedance better 2018-01-03T21:23:33 < BrainDamage> which means he'd need at least a 4 channel scope to measure current and voltage at the same time 2018-01-03T21:23:38 < englishman> those allegro hall effect are handy to keep around 2018-01-03T21:24:22 < englishman> yeah but why buy less than 4 channel in the first place? https://www.tequipment.net/Rigol/DS1054Z/Digital-Oscilloscopes/?rrec=true 2018-01-03T21:24:51 < kikes> I bet allegro doesn't have accuracy - sensitivity I'm looking for 2018-01-03T21:25:13 < englishman> since you havent stated any accuracy or sensitivity needs, how are we supposed to know that 2018-01-03T21:25:23 < kikes> yes 2018-01-03T21:25:53 < kikes> I'm thinking about milliampere level accuracy at to say.. 3amps 2018-01-03T21:26:24 < kikes> and millivolt accuracy at to say 10volts 2018-01-03T21:26:40 < kikes> how expensives I'm looking for? 2018-01-03T21:27:15 < kikes> maybe 10mA would be okay too 2018-01-03T21:28:13 < englishman> allegro 10A ones are 400mV/A 2018-01-03T21:34:37 < Steffanx> What's the sample rate you're looking for kikes? 2018-01-03T21:35:03 < kikes> maybe few samples per second 2018-01-03T21:35:12 < Steffanx> ooh 2018-01-03T21:36:31 < kikes> not like slower than all channels sample per second 2018-01-03T21:43:04 < jadew> the new keysight meters do that 2018-01-03T21:43:26 < jadew> the 34461/5 can do both current and voltage at the same time IIRC 2018-01-03T21:43:34 < kikes> my guru said 34461A 2018-01-03T21:43:44 < kikes> okay 2018-01-03T21:43:50 < Steffanx> Aways wonder how bad Siglent is. People seem fairly happy with those. 2018-01-03T21:43:56 < kikes> no thanks 2018-01-03T21:44:22 < jadew> I'd prefer two meters tho 2018-01-03T21:44:25 < kikes> guru has spoken 2018-01-03T21:44:37 < kikes> why jadew? 2018-01-03T21:44:41 < upgrdman> anyone use Cura? 2018-01-03T21:44:42 < Steffanx> kikes, you have a 1k budget? 2018-01-03T21:44:46 < Steffanx> Not anymore upgrdman. 2018-01-03T21:44:58 < jadew> kikes, because you're stuck to measuring current on the low side 2018-01-03T21:45:02 < upgrdman> why paste tense Steffanx 2018-01-03T21:45:04 < Steffanx> upgrdman: I hated thie terrible long list of semi-unorganized settings 2018-01-03T21:45:05 < upgrdman> past* 2018-01-03T21:45:16 < upgrdman> oh good so it's not just me 2018-01-03T21:45:17 < jadew> and current is normally measured on the high side 2018-01-03T21:45:23 < Steffanx> So i dont want to say it out loud, but i bought simplify3d, upgrdman :P 2018-01-03T21:45:30 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-03T21:45:49 < Steffanx> Slic3er might work, but never gave that a try. 2018-01-03T21:45:53 < Steffanx> *slic3r 2018-01-03T21:46:19 < upgrdman> Steffanx, with Cura, did you ever have a problem where your object has a flat slanted surface, and it looks correct in Normal view, but in Layers view (and if you actually print it) there are these weird ridges? 2018-01-03T21:46:30 < jadew> kikes, I may be wrong tho, you'll have to check the datasheet 2018-01-03T21:46:30 < kow__> I'm poor and use this one https://sigrok.org/wiki/Sysclk_AX-Pro 2018-01-03T21:47:24 < Steffanx> Not sure upgrdman. Probably no. Have an example of such model? And perhaps can you share it so i can do it in Simplify3d? 2018-01-03T21:47:38 < upgrdman> yes, one minute 2018-01-03T21:47:56 < Steffanx> That just a logic analyzer, isn't it kow__? 2018-01-03T21:48:11 < Steffanx> oh no, it also does some analog stuff 2018-01-03T21:48:40 < jadew> well, if you AC couple a signal and have enough noise, you can measure voltage with a digital input too :P 2018-01-03T21:49:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-03T21:49:30 < jadew> and that's only one step away from measuring current 2018-01-03T21:50:13 < jadew> anyway, I'm back to my repairs 2018-01-03T21:50:30 < kow__> I used my first sigrok clone to troubleshoot the steppers on my reprap, it worked 2018-01-03T21:50:35 < kow__> for about 10 minutes 2018-01-03T21:50:46 < kow__> turns out those things only like 5v 2018-01-03T21:50:59 < kikes> we tried to use some fx generic board and sigrok with friend 2018-01-03T21:51:10 < kikes> it stoped capturing every time after one capture 2018-01-03T21:51:26 < kikes> and needed reconnecting to computer 2018-01-03T21:51:26 < jadew> the beauty of opensource 2018-01-03T21:51:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T21:52:02 < kikes> I think it's something to do with that brick 2018-01-03T21:52:16 < kikes> there has been eeprom issues and such 2018-01-03T21:52:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-03T21:52:30 < upgrdman> Steffanx, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/nexus4_mount/photo_of_fuckup.jpg 2018-01-03T21:52:30 < jadew> well, they say on that page that they're uploading custom firmware 2018-01-03T21:52:36 < upgrdman> Steffanx, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/nexus4_mount/mount.stl 2018-01-03T21:52:46 < kikes> jadew, what page? 2018-01-03T21:52:55 < jadew> https://sigrok.org/wiki/Sysclk_AX-Pro 2018-01-03T21:53:10 < jadew> "In sigrok, we use the open-source fx2lafw firmware for this logic analyzer." 2018-01-03T21:53:18 < Steffanx> is that your support getting through the model or something, upgrdman? 2018-01-03T21:53:40 < upgrdman> Steffanx, no, that portion is like 5mm thick non-support 2018-01-03T21:54:00 < upgrdman> all i can think is it's some weird ass floating-point math error 2018-01-03T21:54:05 < upgrdman> but why only there 2018-01-03T21:54:17 < kikes> jadew, we didn't use that one 2018-01-03T21:54:28 < Steffanx> Cannot imagine its that upgrdman. Cura is a widely used tool 2018-01-03T21:54:32 < kikes> 16ch chinashiet 2018-01-03T21:54:35 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-03T21:54:36 < kikes> we used 2018-01-03T21:54:41 < jadew> fx2 based? 2018-01-03T21:55:13 < aandrew> nothing wrong with fx2 based LAs, they're great for 90% of uses you'll ever run across 2018-01-03T21:55:38 < kikes> jadew, yes 2018-01-03T21:55:52 < jadew> kikes, well, then it's likely they used the same firmware 2018-01-03T21:56:13 < kikes> we tried diffirent firmwares 2018-01-03T21:56:24 < jadew> the fx2 can be both run from its on board eeprom or you can upload new firmware over USB (without overwriting the eeprom) 2018-01-03T21:56:27 < kikes> latest from sigrok 2018-01-03T21:56:35 < kikes> best those did was to lose some channels 2018-01-03T21:56:44 < kikes> or not work at all 2018-01-03T21:58:06 < jadew> thos stamps are going to be worth a fortune in 2-3 hundred years 2018-01-03T21:58:11 < jadew> *those 2018-01-03T21:58:28 < Steffanx> i wouldnt know upgrdman.. 2018-01-03T21:58:28 < kikes> https://www.saleae.com/counterfeit 2018-01-03T21:59:06 < jadew> "knocking off our hardware" - bullshit 2018-01-03T21:59:08 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ok well thx for looking anyway 2018-01-03T21:59:20 < Steffanx> Dont happen to have the stl available? 2018-01-03T21:59:22 < jadew> they used the reference design 2018-01-03T21:59:23 < Steffanx> Would like to see what cura does here 2018-01-03T21:59:38 < kikes> china vs. saleae - who would win.. 2018-01-03T21:59:46 < upgrdman> Steffanx, dont have cura on this work pc or i'd give you a screenshot of it. 2018-01-03T22:00:31 < Steffanx> nah i mean the actual model in STL format. But you probably canont share that when its a work project..? 2018-01-03T22:00:52 < Steffanx> *i guess you do use STL as format to import into cura. 2018-01-03T22:01:34 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i linked you the STL 2018-01-03T22:01:38 < Steffanx> you did? 2018-01-03T22:01:39 < upgrdman> ya cura opens stl 2018-01-03T22:01:39 < Steffanx> oooh there 2018-01-03T22:01:42 < Steffanx> i missed one message 2018-01-03T22:01:46 < upgrdman> Steffanx, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/nexus4_mount/photo_of_fuckup.jpg 2018-01-03T22:01:46 < upgrdman> well, they say on that page that they're uploading custom firmware 2018-01-03T22:01:47 < upgrdman> Steffanx, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/nexus4_mount/mount.stl 2018-01-03T22:02:06 < upgrdman> but this isnt a work project anyway. i lost my sanity and bought a cheap 3d printer on saturday. 2018-01-03T22:02:29 < Steffanx> oh this is no more fdm? 2018-01-03T22:02:31 < upgrdman> this is a half-assed mount for my old nexus4 phone that im using to monitor prints and maybe do timelapses in the future 2018-01-03T22:02:37 < jadew> which printer did you get? 2018-01-03T22:02:43 < upgrdman> its fdm. pla 2018-01-03T22:02:52 < Steffanx> but, didnt you get a free 3d printer? 2018-01-03T22:02:54 < upgrdman> jadew, wanhao duplicator i3 plus. $350 2018-01-03T22:03:18 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i did but i felt it would be unpro to use it mostly for non-work activities. 2018-01-03T22:03:35 < upgrdman> also, my $350 printer actually seems better than the makerbot in most ways 2018-01-03T22:03:40 < upgrdman> its quieter and mroe precise 2018-01-03T22:03:55 < upgrdman> only drawback is no camera and no ethernet or wifi. but for the price i cant bitch much 2018-01-03T22:04:17 < upgrdman> my personal printer: Steffanx, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/nexus4_mount/photo_of_fuckup.jpg 2018-01-03T22:04:17 < upgrdman> well, they say on that page that they're uploading custom firmware 2018-01-03T22:04:17 < upgrdman> Steffanx, http://www.farrellf.com/temp/nexus4_mount/mount.stl 2018-01-03T22:04:20 < upgrdman> oops 2018-01-03T22:04:24 < upgrdman> ctrl-v fial 2018-01-03T22:04:33 < upgrdman> my personal printer: http://www.microcenter.com/product/486543/WanHao_Duplicator_I3_PLUS_3D_Printer 2018-01-03T22:05:07 < upgrdman> side note, im fucking shocked. this cheap chinese 3d printer has a decent touch lcd. 2018-01-03T22:05:19 < upgrdman> its responsive and cap touch, not res touch 2018-01-03T22:05:42 < upgrdman> some chinglish but acceptable 2018-01-03T22:07:12 < Steffanx> I imported it into cura and dont see any lines there, upgrdman. 2018-01-03T22:07:24 < upgrdman> what version do you have 2018-01-03T22:07:50 < Steffanx> 3.0.4 atm 2018-01-03T22:08:00 < upgrdman> hmm maybe im using some old shit version. i just installed what was on the sd card. 2018-01-03T22:08:22 < Steffanx> hah. might be old indeed 2018-01-03T22:08:23 < upgrdman> does cura need to be tweaked per printer, or can i just install cura from anyone and have it owkr? 2018-01-03T22:08:41 < Steffanx> i believe they went from something 15-ish to 3.x.x or something 2018-01-03T22:10:01 < Steffanx> It does come with a list of default settings for common used printers 2018-01-03T22:10:39 < Steffanx> WanHoe does not seem to be in that list, but i cannot image someone didnt do some profile for it. 2018-01-03T22:10:39 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-03T22:12:14 < PaulFertser> https://3dprinterwiki.info/wiki/wanhao-duplicator-i3/di3-advanced-mods/heat-bed-terminal-burning-fix/ fixed in your plus version? 2018-01-03T22:12:25 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/Pfdsl not there upgrdman 2018-01-03T22:13:27 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, hmm thx! will check mine tonight. 2018-01-03T22:13:54 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ok thx. will try new cura tonight as well. 2018-01-03T22:13:59 < Steffanx> Not the only printer that has issues with the heat bad connector... 2018-01-03T22:14:03 < Steffanx> *heat bed 2018-01-03T22:14:05 < upgrdman> inorite 2018-01-03T22:15:29 < PaulFertser> wth do they release a special wanhao cura edition, wtf 2018-01-03T22:15:29 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T22:15:59 < Steffanx> they do? 2018-01-03T22:20:03 < Steffanx> So how is the 3d print adventure going, PaulFertser? 2018-01-03T22:20:41 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, it seems like they just change the ultimaker to wanhao. the tooltips still say ultimaker etc :D 2018-01-03T22:20:53 < upgrdman> err *change the image 2018-01-03T22:21:01 < upgrdman> logo 2018-01-03T22:21:34 < upgrdman> wow, theres even customer community firmware for my printer. 2018-01-03T22:21:39 < upgrdman> custom* 2018-01-03T22:21:46 < upgrdman> fuck im failing at typing right now 2018-01-03T22:22:52 < PaulFertser> https://3dprinterwiki.info/duplicatori3/wanhao-cura-edition-with-myminifactory/ 2018-01-03T22:23:10 < upgrdman> superbia1, no just being impatient and pressing enter before sanity checking 2018-01-03T22:23:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: have nothing to print... 2018-01-03T22:24:01 < PaulFertser> Doesn't need to be medical in cali now. 2018-01-03T22:24:03 < Steffanx> Hehe, PaulFertser. 2018-01-03T22:24:46 < Steffanx> remember the time you were still sane superbia1? And would hate us for such comments? 2018-01-03T22:25:27 < Steffanx> Some would consider that sane. 2018-01-03T22:25:57 < Steffanx> or is it .nuts? 2018-01-03T22:28:19 < Laurenceb> wew Bannon 2018-01-03T22:28:28 < Laurenceb> Trump is literally a recursive asshole 2018-01-03T22:29:30 < Steffanx> Blaxter is literally a recursive asshole < fixed it for you. 2018-01-03T22:29:42 < Laurenceb> or Steffanx... 2018-01-03T22:30:15 < Steffanx> i cant deny that 2018-01-03T22:30:41 < kikes> Laurenceb, Steffanx are you comming to my stm32-homewarming? 2018-01-03T22:30:52 < Laurenceb> if you pay... 2018-01-03T22:31:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T22:32:29 < Steffanx> do we create our own sauna kikes? 2018-01-03T22:32:43 < PaulFertser> superbia1: I do not have a usecase for that 2018-01-03T22:32:45 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42559436 2018-01-03T22:32:49 < Laurenceb> lul @ number 2 2018-01-03T22:32:54 < Laurenceb> self trolld 2018-01-03T22:33:04 < kikes> Steffanx, let's create it on balcony 2018-01-03T22:33:23 < kikes> just throw furniture in a pile and lit it 2018-01-03T22:33:24 < Rickta59> I love that Trump has to constantly denounce people he once called "The Best People, I know the Best People" 2018-01-03T22:33:29 < PaulFertser> superbia1: no, for 3d-printed dildo knuckle dusters 2018-01-03T22:33:36 < kikes> I laughed this morning 2018-01-03T22:33:38 < Steffanx> Yeah kikes, that balcony looked waaay to large. Could have been your bed room.. 2018-01-03T22:34:24 < kikes> Trump had said his big red button is way more bigger and more powerful than mad Rocketman has 2018-01-03T22:34:39 < kikes> and it was news 2018-01-03T22:35:10 < kikes> it's comic when news reader speaks such thing 2018-01-03T22:35:13 < Steffanx> kikes, moves to his new appartment and it is no news. Isnt this a sad world? 2018-01-03T22:35:50 < Laurenceb> I know a job kikes can do 2018-01-03T22:35:59 < Laurenceb> he can be Trumps new adviser 2018-01-03T22:36:24 < Laurenceb> he might get paid but this will inevitably end in Trump calling him an asshole 2018-01-03T22:37:03 < Steffanx> Well-digger on sea sounds like a nice job for you Laurenceb 2018-01-03T22:37:44 < kikes> I don't get paid Laurenceb 2018-01-03T22:37:49 < kikes> I do it for the lulz 2018-01-03T22:37:56 < Steffanx> is that 4 real kikes? 2018-01-03T22:39:16 < kikes> being trumps adviser? 2018-01-03T22:39:23 < Steffanx> oh nvm 2018-01-03T22:40:37 < kikes> Laurenceb, first you need to resign 2018-01-03T22:42:44 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:4027:8627:a3c0:5975] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T22:44:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-03T22:45:02 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2018-01-03T22:45:16 < BrainDamage> !wz kikemirhouse 2018-01-03T22:45:17 < englishbot> Unable to locate query. 2018-01-03T22:45:25 < BrainDamage> !wz helsinki 2018-01-03T22:45:26 < englishbot> Invalid API key. 2018-01-03T22:45:40 < BrainDamage> your bot is too saucy 2018-01-03T22:46:38 < kikes> !wz oulu 2018-01-03T22:46:40 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Overcast. Temp is -1.2°C. Humidity: 97%. 2018-01-03T22:47:46 < BrainDamage> that's surprisingly tollerable for the infamous name finland has 2018-01-03T22:48:20 < kikes> yes it is 2018-01-03T22:48:38 < Steffanx> !wz quebec 2018-01-03T22:48:39 < englishbot> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is -18°C but feels like -27°C. NNE wind: 17 kph. Humidity: 66%. 2018-01-03T22:48:55 < Steffanx> !wz helsinki 2018-01-03T22:48:57 < englishbot> [Helsinki, Finland] Overcast. Temp is 2°C but feels like -2°C. East wind: 17 kph. Humidity: 93%. 2018-01-03T22:49:11 < BrainDamage> !wz milan 2018-01-03T22:49:11 < englishbot> [Milan, Italy] Rain. Temp is 6.8°C. SW wind: 14.0 kph. Humidity: 61%. 2018-01-03T22:49:35 < kikes> warm season 2018-01-03T22:49:42 < BrainDamage> last week we had -8 2018-01-03T22:49:52 < BrainDamage> rains raised temp 2018-01-03T22:55:34 < kikes> yes 2018-01-03T22:55:39 < Steffanx> we dont go that low very often. 2018-01-03T22:56:01 < kikes> you have sea 2018-01-03T22:56:08 < kikes> *ocean 2018-01-03T22:56:51 < Steffanx> sea 2018-01-03T22:58:10 < Steffanx> Tectu. Not EU but. 2018-01-03T22:58:53 < Steffanx> What do you want exactly superbia1? 2018-01-03T22:58:55 < BrainDamage> i live actually pretty close to tectu 2018-01-03T22:59:42 < Steffanx> but there are multiple versions superbia1 2018-01-03T22:59:57 < Steffanx> nucleo, discovery? 2018-01-03T23:01:08 < Steffanx> 32F723EDISCOVERY is probably nwest, but ... does superbia1 want that 2018-01-03T23:02:42 < Steffanx> And it matters what you want superbia1. Want the big arse screen, or no screen or .. 2018-01-03T23:03:25 < Steffanx> 32F769IDISCOVERY is like 77euro on mouser, add the VAT and $100 suddently aint so weird. 2018-01-03T23:04:37 < srk> I'm building a board for F765 https://github.com/distrap/distrap-hw/blob/master/stmstamp/pics/board3d.jpg 2018-01-03T23:05:10 < srk> no screens or usb though 2018-01-03T23:05:12 < Steffanx> On my desk, superbia1. 2018-01-03T23:05:43 < srk> devboard for stamp https://github.com/distrap/distrap-hw/blob/master/devboard/pics/devboard.jpg 2018-01-03T23:07:17 < Steffanx> nein, superbia1. 2018-01-03T23:12:29 < kikes> I almost fall a sleep 2018-01-03T23:13:04 < kikes> when I was watching video about world smallest trebuchet 2018-01-03T23:13:20 < BrainDamage> that's a good balcony project 2018-01-03T23:13:40 < kikes> guy was using tweezers to operate it very very carefully 2018-01-03T23:17:30 < kikes> just watching that abduntance of insignificance made me really relaxed 2018-01-03T23:17:42 < kikes> so funny 2018-01-03T23:18:59 < kikes> once my friend found that same peace in my lab 2018-01-03T23:19:28 < kikes> he came back few weeks ago - started looking around like he had lost something 2018-01-03T23:19:38 < kikes> and didn't find it 2018-01-03T23:27:56 < englishman> Steffanx: ~50cm snow next few days 2018-01-03T23:27:57 < englishman> cannot wait 2018-01-03T23:28:04 < englishman> hot tub today was a m a z i n g 2018-01-03T23:29:30 < BrainDamage> is the tub enclosed or do you have like 50°C differential between water and air 2018-01-03T23:29:51 < englishman> the latter 2018-01-03T23:30:03 < englishman> i did construct a tall fence around it for wind 2018-01-03T23:30:11 < BrainDamage> i was about to ask 2018-01-03T23:30:31 < englishman> so yes completely naked except for toque 2018-01-03T23:30:31 < BrainDamage> if the wind blows away the hot air layer, it'd split in 2 your face 2018-01-03T23:30:39 < Laurenceb> https://filebin.net/1b3mw1e1xgp3ymh7/sensortest.pdf 2018-01-03T23:30:44 < Laurenceb> bullshit intensifies 2018-01-03T23:30:54 < Laurenceb> >this is the shit I'm paid to produce 2018-01-03T23:33:55 < englishman> >squew 2018-01-03T23:34:17 < englishman> i see that latek still doesnt have decent spellcheck 2018-01-03T23:34:43 < Laurenceb> aint nobody got tiem fo dat 2018-01-03T23:35:19 < BrainDamage> I'm surprised it's not full of slang, memes and racial slurs 2018-01-03T23:35:35 < BrainDamage> someone else must've redacted it 2018-01-03T23:35:39 < Laurenceb> I have a macro for that 2018-01-03T23:35:41 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-03T23:39:40 < BrainDamage> i like my fonts so antialiased their edge will bleed you 2018-01-03T23:39:52 < englishman> *typeface 2018-01-03T23:41:15 < BrainDamage> there's some odd satisfaction in seeing properly rendered fonts, maybe because i spend too much time staring at walls of texts and formulaes 2018-01-03T23:42:55 < BrainDamage> or typefaces --- Day changed Thu Jan 04 2018 2018-01-04T00:04:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-94e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-04T00:11:43 < englishman> templeos is not affected by intel bug, everybody 2018-01-04T00:14:52 < BrainDamage> intel's CEO sold every stock he's allowed to https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intel-apos-ceo-just-sold-221000267.html 2018-01-04T00:15:17 < englishman> note teh date on that article 2018-01-04T00:16:16 < BrainDamage> i am well aware 2018-01-04T00:16:48 < BrainDamage> there's also few articles around the net that predicted the sleeve of bugs that intel is having because they cut down significantly their review team 2018-01-04T00:20:06 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:4027:8627:a3c0:5975] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-04T00:20:54 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T00:22:52 < englishman> if thats true, i wonder why 2018-01-04T00:23:02 < englishman> not like they are getting any less profitable or cpus are getting any less complex 2018-01-04T00:24:29 < BrainDamage> https://danluu.com/cpu-bugs/ 2018-01-04T00:25:23 < stvn> bugs ey 2018-01-04T00:25:42 < stvn> 1.133ghz mate 2018-01-04T00:25:51 < englishman> ah this guy 2018-01-04T00:25:57 < englishman> he's usually interesting 2018-01-04T00:27:56 < BrainDamage> basically intel tried/is trying to catch up with arm playing fast and loose with formal verification 2018-01-04T00:51:44 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T00:54:57 < Steffanx> Welcome stvn. What can i do for you today? 2018-01-04T01:16:33 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-04T02:20:01 -!- ingrix [ingrix@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ingrix] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-04T02:28:56 < stvn> hi sir 2018-01-04T02:31:38 < stvn> well i need a 20kg bag of instant concrete 2018-01-04T02:36:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-04T02:39:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T02:53:23 < Tectu> better get 20kg bag of cocaine 2018-01-04T02:55:09 < srk> or weed xD 2018-01-04T02:55:18 < Tectu> screw that noob shit 2018-01-04T02:55:20 < Tectu> that's like using eagle 2018-01-04T02:56:05 < srk> what's your pro tool? 2018-01-04T02:56:16 < Tectu> paint 2018-01-04T02:56:19 < Tectu> it does 3d these days 2018-01-04T02:56:25 < srk> funny 2018-01-04T02:57:00 < srk> I don't get why ppl use eagle when there's kicad :) 2018-01-04T02:57:14 < srk> not ideal but getting better rapidly 2018-01-04T02:57:25 < Tectu> and I don't get why people use kicad when there's altium 2018-01-04T02:57:36 < Tectu> I regret every single minute I was using anything other than altium (and I used plenty of different ones) 2018-01-04T02:57:41 < srk> aww 2018-01-04T02:57:55 < srk> I regret every single minute I have to use proprietary sw 2018-01-04T02:58:08 < Tectu> those are the words of people that don't need to get real shit done. 2018-01-04T02:58:15 < Tectu> it's fine for hobby stuff - really. I do/did that too. 2018-01-04T02:58:22 < Tectu> but at some point you gotta get the money going 2018-01-04T02:58:41 < srk> except everything I'm building is based on opensource/openhardware 2018-01-04T02:58:48 < srk> I live in a parallel universe 2018-01-04T02:58:55 < srk> there's no closed source for me out here 2018-01-04T02:59:10 < jadew> open source is communism 2018-01-04T02:59:26 < Tectu> nice to see you again, jadew :-) 2018-01-04T02:59:35 < Tectu> there is barely any week that passes where I don't think about you 2018-01-04T02:59:44 < Tectu> (#NoHomo, also for real) 2018-01-04T02:59:45 < jadew> hah 2018-01-04T02:59:51 < Tectu> I never forgot that talk 2018-01-04T02:59:52 < srk> but hey, you can flip the board in altium and it's even animated :D 2018-01-04T03:00:20 < Tectu> that's not why people use altium, srk 2018-01-04T03:01:01 < srk> we've tried running it on like x240 with 16GB ram and it was sluggish as fuck as well 2018-01-04T03:02:09 < srk> what some people don't realize is the vendor lockin they're getting into by using tools like f360 2018-01-04T03:02:38 < srk> if you spend enough time with it there's no coming back as you invested shitload of time into your library 2018-01-04T03:03:10 < jadew> srk, that's the same with any sufficiently complex tool 2018-01-04T03:03:37 < srk> yes, but most of the communist stuff is about sharing you know 2018-01-04T03:03:38 < jadew> I like opensource too, but it comes with a price 2018-01-04T03:03:42 < srk> open formats and stuff 2018-01-04T03:03:45 < jadew> a big one, for everyone 2018-01-04T03:04:23 < srk> like? 2018-01-04T03:04:29 < jadew> and that is the fact that it displaces commercial software, but at the same time fails to advance fast enough 2018-01-04T03:04:34 < srk> you mean opensource costs you even if you don't use it? 2018-01-04T03:04:39 < jadew> yes 2018-01-04T03:04:41 < srk> lol 2018-01-04T03:04:49 < jadew> and it costs you a lot 2018-01-04T03:04:58 < jadew> for example, kicad - I like it and I use it 2018-01-04T03:05:06 < srk> honestly I don't give a flying fuck about intelectual property at this level 2018-01-04T03:05:14 < srk> 100% of the code I've ever written is public 2018-01-04T03:05:28 < jadew> but if kicad wasn't around, maybe more people would be writing their own commercial packages 2018-01-04T03:05:30 < srk> and that should be the default imho :) 2018-01-04T03:05:36 < jadew> and with competition, prices go down 2018-01-04T03:05:54 < srk> do you realize how much effort is to write a CAD sw? 2018-01-04T03:06:06 < srk> you need a decent team and *years* of development 2018-01-04T03:06:14 < jadew> I do 2018-01-04T03:06:19 < srk> which is why pro tools are so expensive 2018-01-04T03:06:21 < jadew> but kicad is stagnating 2018-01-04T03:06:27 < srk> hardly 2018-01-04T03:06:34 < jadew> and few people are willing to go that road, because kicad is there 2018-01-04T03:06:51 < jadew> they can't start selling their product in the initial stages because of kicad 2018-01-04T03:07:02 < srk> kicad is still rough on the edges, same as FreeCAD 2018-01-04T03:07:13 < Tectu> it's not about rough edges 2018-01-04T03:07:24 < Tectu> it's about being often completely usable for real world tasks 2018-01-04T03:07:28 < srk> but it's not stagnating at all, that's bullshit 2018-01-04T03:07:40 < Tectu> FreeCAD is a joke for anybody that needs to design a real product 2018-01-04T03:07:50 < srk> yes 2018-01-04T03:07:51 < Tectu> I worked with it a lot. I also worked a lot with inventor and solidworks 2018-01-04T03:08:00 < Tectu> of course it's stagnating 2018-01-04T03:08:03 < Tectu> look at any open source project 2018-01-04T03:08:04 < srk> it's python, what do you expect 2018-01-04T03:08:10 < srk> like? 2018-01-04T03:08:15 < srk> kernel? 2018-01-04T03:08:18 < jadew> srk, I haven't seen anything new and useful in kicad in two years 2018-01-04T03:08:20 < srk> cmon 2018-01-04T03:08:21 < Tectu> either there's a company behind it or people are invovled and then loose interest or change their focuses 2018-01-04T03:08:26 < jadew> and there are plenty of burning issues 2018-01-04T03:08:31 < jadew> and requests 2018-01-04T03:08:40 < jadew> that's normal tho 2018-01-04T03:08:44 < srk> jadew: differential tracks, push and show router is reworked, many contributions from unversities 2018-01-04T03:08:49 < jadew> but that's the problem I'm pointing at 2018-01-04T03:08:51 < Tectu> with open source tools developers come and go - or there's a company with money and then there are other issues that come with that. 2018-01-04T03:08:53 < jadew> this is normal for opensource 2018-01-04T03:09:18 < srk> Tectu: stuff is changing in this regard as well 2018-01-04T03:09:21 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.61.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-04T03:09:28 < Tectu> srk, I'm not sure what you mean 2018-01-04T03:09:37 < srk> less people care about BigCos nowadays 2018-01-04T03:10:04 < srk> I've worked for Red Hat so I understand what are you trying to say 2018-01-04T03:10:18 < jadew> srk, the point is not that it's not advancing, it's that it's not advancing as fast as you'd want it to 2018-01-04T03:10:36 < jadew> which is how commercial stuff evolves, because people like money 2018-01-04T03:10:39 < srk> but I know of number of projects that don't have corporate backing and can advance on their own pretty well. nixos for example https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/ 2018-01-04T03:11:04 < srk> jadew: well if you want it to advance faster why don' 2018-01-04T03:11:10 < srk> t you pay for that? :) 2018-01-04T03:11:29 < srk> you can support young opensource devs like that 2018-01-04T03:11:29 < jadew> srk, because I'm just one user 2018-01-04T03:11:36 < jadew> everyone would have to pay for it to be successful 2018-01-04T03:11:41 < Tectu> srk, don't forget that there are always exceptions - on both sides. 2018-01-04T03:11:43 < jadew> and then you'd just have a commercial software 2018-01-04T03:11:48 < srk> I like cryptocurrencies in this regard 2018-01-04T03:11:58 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.61.92] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T03:12:06 < srk> as they can lead to more sustainable model of OSS development 2018-01-04T03:12:43 < Tectu> what? 2018-01-04T03:13:39 < Tectu> can you please elaborate on that? 2018-01-04T03:13:41 < srk> you can easily create a pool of money for the project and even facilities for distribution of that 2018-01-04T03:13:59 < Tectu> which has not been possible prior to cryptocurrency...? 2018-01-04T03:14:24 < srk> it was, except it's kind-of harder from my POV 2018-01-04T03:15:02 < srk> I mean, it's harder in that you need a comittee or some trusted person who deals with that 2018-01-04T03:15:23 < srk> and allocates moneyz to devs/features whatever 2018-01-04T03:15:28 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-04T03:16:08 < srk> with crypto you can make this pretty much automated, with community being able to vote on stuff 2018-01-04T03:17:26 < jadew> I'd rather pay for complete software 2018-01-04T03:17:39 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T03:17:48 < srk> and do you? software is moving to cloud nowadays 2018-01-04T03:17:53 < jadew> I do 2018-01-04T03:17:58 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T03:18:02 < srk> so you only pay for subscription, which is even worse :D 2018-01-04T03:18:21 < jadew> those things are different 2018-01-04T03:18:34 < jadew> web based apps and subscription based shit 2018-01-04T03:18:41 < jadew> I don't like either 2018-01-04T03:18:48 < Tectu> yeah, +1 on that 2018-01-04T03:18:51 < srk> f360 is subcription based and loads of ppl don't mind at all :) 2018-01-04T03:18:51 < Tectu> screw subscriptions 2018-01-04T03:18:59 < Tectu> srk, nobody serious uses f360 2018-01-04T03:19:01 < srk> eagle as well 2018-01-04T03:19:23 < Tectu> I don't know of any single person or company that is into serious business that uses those kind of tools 2018-01-04T03:19:28 < srk> Tectu: man, I'm using openscad and SolidPython for serious 3d stuff :D 2018-01-04T03:19:34 < srk> define serious :D 2018-01-04T03:19:38 < Tectu> obviously not serious then 2018-01-04T03:20:00 < srk> just joking 2018-01-04T03:20:05 < Tectu> good :p 2018-01-04T03:20:24 < jadew> isn't openscad fairly ok at modeling objects? 2018-01-04T03:20:25 < Tectu> don't get me wrong. I too used openscad and I probably still would be today privately if I wouldn't have access to all the fancy tools provided by $company 2018-01-04T03:20:35 < jadew> given that it's basically fully parametric 2018-01-04T03:20:42 < srk> it's cool except for syntax 2018-01-04T03:20:53 < Tectu> jadew, well it's awesome for parametric parts. But assemblies are almost impossible (except for regular #import) 2018-01-04T03:20:59 < srk> which is why I'm generating it from python (SolidPython library) 2018-01-04T03:21:05 < srk> Tectu: disagree 2018-01-04T03:21:13 < srk> http://48.io/~rmarko/rackprinter/rp0.png 2018-01-04T03:21:15 < Tectu> srk, try building a serious product with moving parts, joings, bearings, ... 2018-01-04T03:21:28 < Tectu> that is completely useless for any serious company that develops serious stuff. 2018-01-04T03:21:29 < jadew> Tectu, didn't know that 2018-01-04T03:21:37 < Tectu> taht's also why FreeCAD is no option 2018-01-04T03:21:46 < Tectu> their assembly stuff is basically unusable 2018-01-04T03:21:59 < jadew> found solidworks for like $500 last year, that seemed like a good deal 2018-01-04T03:21:59 < Tectu> try building a simple machine with 10 parts 2018-01-04T03:22:19 < Tectu> also, keep in mind that when doing CAD stuff it's not just about those parts. It's also about materials, calculations of centers of mass, densities, BOMs, ... 2018-01-04T03:22:37 < srk> yeah, real CAD is completely different from openscad hacking 2018-01-04T03:22:41 < Tectu> and never forget about integration into other serious tools 2018-01-04T03:22:52 < srk> you're too serious 2018-01-04T03:22:58 < Laurenceb_> hi trollz 2018-01-04T03:23:03 < Tectu> eg. I worked in a project where I had a complex machine with many moving parts created in Inventor and a model was exported into Simulink (Matlab) for dynamic analysis. 2018-01-04T03:23:11 < Tectu> and it took like 5 minutes to get it working. 2018-01-04T03:23:24 < srk> it's just a few clicks in f360 :D 2018-01-04T03:23:29 < Tectu> no 2018-01-04T03:23:32 < Tectu> not that kind of stuff 2018-01-04T03:23:47 < Tectu> stuff like simulating actuators, calculating torques and integrating everything into a multi-domain simulation 2018-01-04T03:23:54 < Tectu> which is something you often do in serious projects these days. 2018-01-04T03:23:56 < srk> crazy 2018-01-04T03:24:08 < Tectu> no, every day stuff for me - and millions of other engineers. 2018-01-04T03:24:23 < srk> I do like the idea of simulink, the problem is it's not open :) 2018-01-04T03:24:25 < Tectu> it's how you get a robot on mars with no failure 2018-01-04T03:24:35 < Tectu> the problem is your opinion. 2018-01-04T03:24:41 < srk> Tectu: I know how 2018-01-04T03:24:43 < Tectu> it's good to support open source stuff. 2018-01-04T03:24:48 < Tectu> but don't be a religious faggot 2018-01-04T03:24:59 < Tectu> it will get you nowhere. except maybe into stallmans bedroom 2018-01-04T03:25:12 < Laurenceb_> no homo 2018-01-04T03:25:18 < srk> well I am, can understand the other side as well :) 2018-01-04T03:25:23 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile I do serious pro work 2018-01-04T03:25:30 < Laurenceb_> I write reports on usb timingz 2018-01-04T03:25:52 < jadew> and all you need is a pen and a piece of paper? 2018-01-04T03:26:05 < Laurenceb_> pretty much 2018-01-04T03:26:06 < Tectu> srk, also, don't get me wrong: I love opensource and I am thankful that it exists. I use tons of open source software every day. I have a few open source projects myself and even a bigger commercial project where the entire source is open. 2018-01-04T03:26:27 < Tectu> Laurenceb_ getting moar of dem delicious PhDs? 2018-01-04T03:26:39 < Laurenceb_> no I have a jerb now 2018-01-04T03:26:44 < srk> Tectu: I'm writing a book about high assurance development for embedded http://48.io/~rmarko/book/ 2018-01-04T03:26:53 < Tectu> srk, bookmarked :) 2018-01-04T03:27:05 < srk> Tectu: regarding the note on 'how you get a robot to mars' :) 2018-01-04T03:28:06 < Tectu> srk, again: Both worlds have their rights to exist and work well depending on the scope. The right thing to do is to take the right tool for the job. And for stuff like simulink, altium and inventor (and all their competitors) there's simply no opensource alternative that can get the workd one. 2018-01-04T03:28:09 < Tectu> work done* 2018-01-04T03:28:23 < Laurenceb_> https://filebin.net/1b3mw1e1xgp3ymh7/sensortest.pdf 2018-01-04T03:28:27 < Laurenceb_> serious business 2018-01-04T03:28:40 < srk> Tectu: yup, I agree 2018-01-04T03:28:58 < Tectu> srk, the worst think you can do in my opinion is saying "I only use open source stuff" 2018-01-04T03:29:07 < Laurenceb_> wrong 2018-01-04T03:29:08 < srk> Tectu: but I have this ideological issues with like teaching kids simulink at school 2018-01-04T03:29:16 < Tectu> (or the other one, "I only use proprietary stuff" but that one is basically impossible anyway 2018-01-04T03:29:22 < Laurenceb_> you could say "GNU SLASH LINUX" 2018-01-04T03:29:34 < Tectu> laurence wants the RMS's dick 2018-01-04T03:29:53 < jadew> no homo 2018-01-04T03:29:53 < Laurenceb_> "I only run Hurd" 2018-01-04T03:29:59 < Tectu> hah 2018-01-04T03:30:02 < jadew> but he already had it 2018-01-04T03:30:48 < Laurenceb_> Tectu do you liek my report 2018-01-04T03:30:57 < Laurenceb_> serious business intensifies 2018-01-04T03:31:29 < jadew> you couldn't type your name on the next line? 2018-01-04T03:31:30 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, multi-line titles, rigol screenshots, ... checks all the boxes on the proness checklist 2018-01-04T03:31:50 < Tectu> Laurenceb_ doesn't do whitespaces. look at his sores. 2018-01-04T03:31:51 < jadew> those screenshots are tek 2018-01-04T03:31:58 < Tectu> ah, my bad 2018-01-04T03:32:07 < srk> Tectu: btw I'm struggling hard with motion control as I don't have simulink and/or good BLDC models to work with 2018-01-04T03:32:31 < Laurenceb_> I get asked to do full retard reports 2018-01-04T03:32:40 < Laurenceb_> "yes this usb device meets usb spec" 2018-01-04T03:32:55 < jadew> " 2018-01-04T03:32:57 < jadew> As expected all the USB hardware tested was fully compliant with the USB 2018-01-04T03:32:57 < jadew> specification" 2018-01-04T03:32:58 < srk> but designing motion control algos in simulink seems weird, not enough gore 2018-01-04T03:33:22 < Laurenceb_> yeah I trolled them as much as possible 2018-01-04T03:33:33 < jadew> Laurenceb_, was that part of a work assignment? 2018-01-04T03:33:45 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-04T03:34:01 < Laurenceb_> I get asked to produce about 1 retarded report ever 2 days 2018-01-04T03:34:25 < jadew> I'm sure they have their uses 2018-01-04T03:34:33 < jadew> peace of mind for other engineers 2018-01-04T03:35:04 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, who on earth are you working for? 2018-01-04T03:36:08 < Laurenceb_> some uni spin off people 2018-01-04T03:36:17 < Tectu> dickstaring much? 2018-01-04T03:36:24 < srk> startitup! 2018-01-04T03:36:34 < Laurenceb_> nah its just stealing grant money 2018-01-04T03:36:42 < Tectu> best dickstarter of them all 2018-01-04T03:36:49 < Laurenceb_> my job is basically write retarded reports and stick on shared drive 2018-01-04T03:37:10 < jadew> Laurenceb_, sounds fun tbh 2018-01-04T03:37:39 < Laurenceb_> for the end of the week I have to write a report on sensor calibration 2018-01-04T03:38:00 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, still doing medical? 2018-01-04T03:38:06 < Laurenceb_> semi medical 2018-01-04T03:38:11 < Laurenceb_> babby shaking 2018-01-04T03:38:25 < Laurenceb_> so vehicle + mechanical + medical 2018-01-04T03:38:34 < Tectu> wut 2018-01-04T03:38:37 < Tectu> what's baby shaking 2018-01-04T03:38:41 < Laurenceb_> we have ukp4M to look at babby shaking 2018-01-04T03:38:46 < Laurenceb_> something to do with it... 2018-01-04T03:38:50 < Laurenceb_> nobody knows 2018-01-04T03:38:56 < Tectu> is that london term for stealing babies and stabbing them into the chest with pencils? 2018-01-04T03:39:01 < Laurenceb_> LOL 2018-01-04T03:41:27 < Laurenceb_> its the effect of vehicle vibration when transporting critically ill babies between hospitals 2018-01-04T03:42:33 < Tectu> oh 2018-01-04T03:43:42 < Laurenceb_> but beyond that nobody knows 2018-01-04T03:45:07 < Laurenceb_> somehow it ends with idiotic reports, as "everything has to be documented" 2018-01-04T03:45:59 < Tectu> better make a report where you list every time you go to the toilet and fart 2018-01-04T03:46:03 < Tectu> and hand that in at the end of the month 2018-01-04T03:46:23 < Tectu> anyway, I don't mind writing reports if the time is there. 2018-01-04T03:46:33 < Tectu> but people usually don't get how much time it takes. 2018-01-04T03:46:40 < Tectu> (IMHO) 2018-01-04T03:49:16 < Laurenceb_> this is just a makework project 2018-01-04T03:49:29 < Laurenceb_> the solution to the problem is just "fit dampers" 2018-01-04T03:54:19 < Tectu> srk, another important thing is support & documentation. 2018-01-04T03:54:30 < Tectu> srk, and that's where a lot of open source tools fail horribly. 2018-01-04T03:55:44 < stvn> lets invite rms 2018-01-04T03:56:35 < srk> Tectu: well, that's the reason I'm trying to write that book. I have a feeling it could make life easier for lots of ppl but now you need to go thru few months of reverse engineering to understand how to use that framework 2018-01-04T03:57:14 < srk> also by creating examples like https://github.com/distrap/ivory-tower-helloworld 2018-01-04T03:57:18 < stvn> i want simulink 2018-01-04T03:58:25 < srk> i want simulink alternatives 2018-01-04T03:58:35 < stvn> as in ones that are free 2018-01-04T03:58:40 < srk> there's xcos but it sucks 2018-01-04T03:58:54 < srk> but scilab looks cool 2018-01-04T03:59:23 < stvn> maybe i look 2018-01-04T03:59:26 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: bbl] 2018-01-04T03:59:55 -!- Yoofie [~chatzilla@97.70.118.76] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T04:01:27 < Tectu> srk, xcos is not even remotely an alternative. look at all the stuff that simulink supports. crossdomain all in one simulation. from fluid dynamics over electronics to mechanics and even real time software stuff. literally everything. not just simple math 2018-01-04T04:02:19 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-04T04:02:46 < srk> Tectu: true. I would be happy if I can do simple stuff with it but I didn't even manage to add more scopes to it and create simple PI reg /o\ 2018-01-04T04:02:50 < Laurenceb_> if you have dynamic modelling tools 2018-01-04T04:02:59 < Laurenceb_> u could model dampers on a transport incubator 2018-01-04T04:03:04 < Laurenceb_> ... in about 5 minutes 2018-01-04T04:03:38 < Tectu> that's basic uni 101 stuff 2018-01-04T04:04:15 < Laurenceb_> ikr 2018-01-04T04:06:06 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-158-28.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T04:06:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-04T04:06:59 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/epUO0aS 2018-01-04T04:08:49 < Tectu> what are you trying to do, Mr. blaxter? 2018-01-04T04:08:58 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T04:09:08 < Laurenceb_> I think we have to damp the vibration 2018-01-04T04:09:10 < Laurenceb_> who knows 2018-01-04T04:09:36 < Laurenceb_> its "above my pay grade" 2018-01-04T04:09:44 < stvn> breaking beds again sir? 2018-01-04T04:10:03 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2018-01-04T04:10:42 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T04:10:49 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-04T04:10:59 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should become an e-celeb 2018-01-04T04:11:13 < Laurenceb_> I have to master the e-celeb face and the art of clickbait 2018-01-04T04:11:24 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/epUO0aS <-e-celeb face 2018-01-04T04:11:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T04:12:14 < Laurenceb_> "Elona Gay (no homo lol) just vaporized the Gooks and its glorious" <- clickbait 2018-01-04T04:12:19 < Laurenceb_> I think I am ready 2018-01-04T04:13:09 < Laurenceb_> latest 4chan meme is "if buzzfeed was around in ww2" 2018-01-04T04:15:57 < stvn> youtube laurence channel 2018-01-04T04:18:06 < stvn> i forgot about hiroshima 2018-01-04T04:23:31 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2018-01-04T04:27:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-04T04:43:18 < stvn> guess i better get back to the garden 2018-01-04T04:59:51 -!- [1]MrMobius [~MrMobius@h84.166.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T05:02:09 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@h84.166.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-04T05:02:09 -!- [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius 2018-01-04T05:41:38 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, re: heated bed connector on my printer, it looks like they fixed that (or at least redesigned it) on the Plus version i have. looks decent (but very chinese) on my printer. 2018-01-04T05:42:43 < stvn> i have one black friend but i think he's half chinese 2018-01-04T05:45:07 < upgrdman> https://streamable.com/2y8av 2018-01-04T05:45:49 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com//MajesticCostlyHornet 2018-01-04T05:46:00 < upgrdman> typical american man ^ 2018-01-04T05:49:12 < MrMobius> aww his underwear broke 2018-01-04T06:12:53 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-04T07:04:10 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-04T07:07:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-04T07:16:14 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T07:32:47 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T07:35:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-04T07:38:29 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-195-150-196.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T07:38:57 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-04T07:40:25 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@pa49-195-150-196.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-04T07:41:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T07:44:13 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T07:47:51 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-04T07:47:54 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-04T07:48:46 < stvn> greetings 2018-01-04T07:51:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-04T07:51:13 < stvn> https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/3/797 2018-01-04T07:51:15 < stvn> lol 2018-01-04T07:53:32 < stvn> they did a bad 2018-01-04T07:54:27 < stvn> maybe everyone did a bad 2018-01-04T07:54:30 < stvn> who knows 2018-01-04T07:56:10 < stvn> "Linux developers are working furiously to address the flaw in a new kernel update." 2018-01-04T07:56:13 < stvn> lold irl 2018-01-04T08:03:12 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T08:11:19 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: bbl] 2018-01-04T08:11:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T08:33:14 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-04T08:35:30 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T08:40:14 < englishman> https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update 2018-01-04T08:47:44 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T08:54:08 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-04T08:54:33 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T08:56:47 < kikes> hello pumpers 2018-01-04T08:56:59 < kikes> I need to buy bench supply 2018-01-04T08:57:11 < kikes> min. 30VDC and 20A 2018-01-04T08:57:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b0e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T08:57:33 < kikes> doesn't need to be precision device 2018-01-04T08:57:52 < kikes> just give loads of power out 2018-01-04T09:06:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-04T09:33:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b0e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-04T09:39:01 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-04T09:39:24 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T09:45:57 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-04T09:46:39 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T09:50:01 < kikes> okay 2018-01-04T09:50:18 < kikes> thanks R2COM, I'll concider it 2018-01-04T09:53:23 < kikes> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/b-k-precision/1694/BK1694-ND/2637961 how about this 2018-01-04T09:53:30 < kikes> server power supply? 2018-01-04T09:53:42 < kikes> I need adjustable power and hassle free operation 2018-01-04T09:54:22 < kikes> bk is all good isn't it? 2018-01-04T09:55:54 < kikes> what has intel done? 2018-01-04T09:56:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T09:56:15 < kikes> can we assume all intel machines are compromised now? 2018-01-04T10:00:16 < kikes> R2COM, input voltage is a joke 2018-01-04T10:00:27 < kikes> I need 230V model 2018-01-04T10:01:07 < kikes> okay change last digit in model name 2018-01-04T10:04:46 < kikes> I wonder if there is some problem with my computer 2018-01-04T10:04:56 < kikes> it's unresponsive at times 2018-01-04T10:06:14 < kikes> is it about intel? 2018-01-04T10:11:50 < dongs> sup kikes 2018-01-04T10:12:19 < kikes> sup 2018-01-04T10:12:37 < MrMobius> hey 2018-01-04T10:14:41 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-04T10:14:46 < dongs> always postpone innovation 2018-01-04T10:14:47 < dongs> thats how it works 2018-01-04T10:19:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T10:21:14 < kikes> R2COM, watch world smallest trebuchet video from youtube 2018-01-04T10:21:20 < kikes> made me sleepy right away 2018-01-04T10:23:20 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCaDsux6aQ 2018-01-04T10:24:14 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2018-01-04T10:33:08 < kikes> that is the point 2018-01-04T10:39:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-04T10:46:22 < dongs> IGN's chief editor got fired for harassing chicks...and his last name is 'Butts'. 2018-01-04T11:01:42 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T11:04:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-04T11:11:15 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T11:12:11 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-04T11:16:07 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T11:16:43 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-04T11:25:55 < dongs> BrainDamage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKNAUyUvO9w 2018-01-04T11:27:01 < kOStiX> was just gonna post that hehe thanks 2018-01-04T11:27:22 < dongs> haha 2018-01-04T11:27:28 < dongs> he was bitching about your unaligned knobs 2018-01-04T11:27:55 < kOStiX> haha 2018-01-04T11:28:05 < dongs> or switches rather 2018-01-04T11:28:13 < dongs> hmm i thought you said they were arpeggio or osmething but i see the function is different 2018-01-04T11:28:25 < dongs> o well watves 2018-01-04T11:28:30 < kOStiX> yeah in the monophonic mode 2018-01-04T11:28:55 < kOStiX> but in the polyphonic which is the one on the vid i used it for enabling filter midi note follow mode 2018-01-04T11:29:10 < kOStiX> which has additional controls by external midi controllers 2018-01-04T11:29:33 < kOStiX> here tho im only controlling the LFOs from the midi controller 2018-01-04T11:29:54 < kOStiX> filter cutoff lfo and global square wave pulse width lfo 2018-01-04T11:30:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T11:31:59 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-04T11:32:30 < srk> cool 2018-01-04T11:33:16 < srk> kOStiX: is that you? 2018-01-04T11:33:30 < kOStiX> yah :) 2018-01-04T11:33:45 < srk> chromium won't load the frikin page so I can't see title and comments 2018-01-04T11:33:49 < srk> only vid via mpv 2018-01-04T11:33:52 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-04T11:33:54 < srk> kOStiX: I HAVE QUESTIONS :D 2018-01-04T11:33:58 < dongs> are you using LUNIX or something 2018-01-04T11:34:02 < kOStiX> haha sure 2018-01-04T11:34:06 < srk> but I need to sleep 2018-01-04T11:34:18 < srk> but, later 2018-01-04T11:34:29 < dongs> sleep is for the weak 2018-01-04T11:34:36 < dongs> innovation chats cannot wait 2018-01-04T11:34:42 < srk> was playing with vcvrack and now I need to build real thing 2018-01-04T11:35:27 < srk> dongs: its 10am here, I'm gonna wake up at like 8pm /o\ 2018-01-04T11:36:06 < srk> and then I need to fix this stupid intel garbage 2018-01-04T11:36:21 < PaulFertser> srk: mpv shows video name in the window title, and you can see youtube comments with mpsyt if you need to. 2018-01-04T11:36:32 < dongs> what the fuck is mpv 2018-01-04T11:36:36 < dongs> its lunix shit isnt it? 2018-01-04T11:36:50 < srk> PaulFertser: mpsyt? I can only see URL in osd 2018-01-04T11:36:56 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, it's a crossplatform media player, think "mplayer" fork. 2018-01-04T11:36:56 < srk> lol 2018-01-04T11:37:02 < dongs> gross. 2018-01-04T11:37:03 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T11:37:05 < srk> looks like something I always wanted to write 2018-01-04T11:37:07 < dongs> so it comes with like 200 dlls 2018-01-04T11:37:08 < srk> mpsyt.. 2018-01-04T11:37:08 < dongs> like VLC 2018-01-04T11:37:11 < dongs> making shit slow as fuck 2018-01-04T11:37:13 < PaulFertser> srk: mpsyt is a gross python script for youtube viewing. 2018-01-04T11:37:19 < srk> yes yes yes 2018-01-04T11:37:23 < srk> exactly what I wanted 2018-01-04T11:37:26 < srk> offline youtube 2018-01-04T11:37:28 < dongs> uh 2018-01-04T11:37:30 < dongs> just use youtube_dl 2018-01-04T11:37:34 < dongs> if youre gonna use gross python scripts 2018-01-04T11:37:46 < srk> Search result items can easily be stored in local playlists. 2018-01-04T11:37:49 < srk> oh yes 2018-01-04T11:37:53 < srk> PaulFertser: thanks! 2018-01-04T11:37:57 < PaulFertser> dongs: dll might affect load time but not runtime performance during video playback. 2018-01-04T11:38:12 < dongs> PaulFertser: load time is weher it matters 2018-01-04T11:38:18 < PaulFertser> srk: you won't like it once you have to dig that python code, beware. 2018-01-04T11:38:19 < dongs> you know why nobody on windows uses openorifice.org 2018-01-04T11:38:22 < dongs> cuz it takes like 5 mins to load 2018-01-04T11:38:28 < dongs> while winword.exe opens instantly 2018-01-04T11:38:42 < dongs> its all about the initial impression 2018-01-04T11:39:22 < srk> PaulFertser: I wanted to write this in haskell. no time for that sadly, but I'm bitching like everytime I try to watch more then one match of starcraft 2018-01-04T11:39:38 < PaulFertser> Choosing a professional instrument to be used based on initial impression, seriously dongs? 2018-01-04T11:39:42 < srk> need to test this and see if it fits 2018-01-04T11:39:54 < srk> if it can cache vids even better 2018-01-04T11:40:17 < srk> I hate loosing stuff that disappears from yutubez 2018-01-04T11:40:26 < Steffanx> Even in usability OOo and libreoffice suck, PaulFertser 2018-01-04T11:40:36 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-04T11:40:46 < srk> try vim 2018-01-04T11:40:46 < Steffanx> I agree with dongs for once on this one 2018-01-04T11:40:50 < srk> :] 2018-01-04T11:41:00 < srk> how about a real editor.. :D 2018-01-04T11:41:02 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I can't really tell because I am not aware of any sane usecases for any "office suits". 2018-01-04T11:41:25 < dongs> well anyone who thinks latex is good for wrtiting documents is probably not qualified to discuss office suites 2018-01-04T11:41:41 < dongs> y/y/y 2018-01-04T11:41:42 < srk> you don't need to write tex 2018-01-04T11:41:46 < srk> you can use markdown or whateva 2018-01-04T11:41:51 < srk> and convert with pandoc for example 2018-01-04T11:42:08 < srk> who needs wysiwyg anyway 2018-01-04T11:42:25 < srk> kOStiX: man that jam is good! 2018-01-04T11:42:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: what is used to prepare documents this days in the professional land? InDesign? 2018-01-04T11:42:47 < dongs> PaulFertser: iirc ST uses framemaker 2018-01-04T11:42:50 < dongs> for datasheets 2018-01-04T11:42:51 < dongs> lols. 2018-01-04T11:43:29 < PaulFertser> I'm not even sure if you give it as a good example or as a really bad one. 2018-01-04T11:44:09 < kOStiX> thanks man! 2018-01-04T11:46:37 < kOStiX> i got a bunch of more vids on the channel 2018-01-04T11:57:27 < PaulFertser> dongs: what would you use to draw http://paulfertser.info/timingdiagram.pdf (why is it bad to attach SPI via opto-couplers) ? The source: http://paste.debian.net/1003522/ 2018-01-04T11:58:27 < dongs> PaulFertser: i would print pdf/wahtever from logic analyzer 2018-01-04T11:58:33 < dongs> or just mspaint that shit 2018-01-04T11:59:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: for the first you'd need to have real hardware exhibiting the problem handy. And mspaint, you must be kidding, it's not vector grahpics and it's not suitable for anything like that, and you know that. 2018-01-04T12:00:18 < qyx> I love 50MB datasheets with mspainted pictures 2018-01-04T12:00:29 < stvn> was about to say ^ 2018-01-04T12:00:38 < stvn> and some are truly awful 2018-01-04T12:01:40 < qyx> but for the PaulFertsers example I would just use inkscape 2018-01-04T12:02:10 < dongs> can anyone actually USE inkscape 2018-01-04T12:02:15 < dongs> i tried once 2018-01-04T12:02:20 < dongs> and the interface was worse than gimp 2018-01-04T12:02:25 < dongs> (which is pretty hard to do) 2018-01-04T12:02:27 < PaulFertser> qyx: for a one-off probably, but for a datasheet full of timing diagrams, tikz code looks pretty sane to me. 2018-01-04T12:03:21 < qyx> yes, I use inkscape regularly 2018-01-04T12:03:56 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has left ##stm32 ["~"] 2018-01-04T12:04:21 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T12:04:26 < dongs> !- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has left ##stm32 ["~"] 2018-01-04T12:04:28 < dongs> raegquit? 2018-01-04T12:04:31 < PaulFertser> There's also sK1 2018-01-04T12:05:38 < PaulFertser> But defining timing diagrams with text seems to be easier, faster, more precise and more manageable once you know the syntax. 2018-01-04T12:08:15 < qyx> reviving my last chibios project 2018-01-04T12:08:35 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T12:08:38 < qyx> 2.6.7 version O_o 2018-01-04T12:18:18 < Steffanx> Whats hotest? 3.x? 2018-01-04T12:20:10 < qyx> idk, this was untouched from ~2014/15 2018-01-04T12:21:23 < karlp> why nto wavedrom for timing diagrams from text definitions? 2018-01-04T12:22:35 < karlp> I mean, json, so fail, because not latex I guess.... ;) 2018-01-04T12:31:34 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/jB6dvNQ.jpg 2018-01-04T12:32:03 < dongs> angry capacitor? 2018-01-04T12:33:49 < stvn> quite 2018-01-04T12:35:23 < stvn> let me tell you of the capacitor lunatic 2018-01-04T12:35:51 < stvn> he had 8 x 500F 2.7v caps, told me he 'wired them in series' 2018-01-04T12:36:06 < stvn> he had wired them all in parallel with alternating polarity..... 2018-01-04T12:37:17 < dongs> nice 2018-01-04T12:37:21 < dongs> how big was the explosion 2018-01-04T12:37:25 < dongs> when he tested it 2018-01-04T12:37:42 < stvn> no explosion, he has some current limited power supply 2018-01-04T12:41:44 < stvn> he told me it wouldn't go higher than roughly.... i guess that's the kind of 'diode' effect when an electrolytic is suject to reverse polarity o_O 2018-01-04T12:41:55 < stvn> (1v) 2018-01-04T12:47:57 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T13:12:40 -!- EntropyWizard [~entwiz@73.31.123.0] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T13:26:40 -!- EntropyWizard [~entwiz@73.31.123.0] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-04T13:26:46 < qyx> it looks like it was very naive to think that pyinstaller run under linux can create windows executables 2018-01-04T13:27:44 < dongs> the only thing you're guaranteed to 'create' with python is AIDS 2018-01-04T13:27:57 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-04T13:28:16 < karlp> is pyinstaller the one that zyp recommended? 2018-01-04T13:28:30 < qyx> iirc yes 2018-01-04T13:28:32 < qyx> I had the same question 2018-01-04T13:29:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T13:29:15 < karlp> srk: the fuck are you recommending the old codesourcery toolchain for in your book?! 2018-01-04T13:29:58 < tomeaton17> well qyx the first thing in the faq says it cant cross compile lol 2018-01-04T13:30:01 < karlp> I feel like the "replace stlink wtih BMP" is wildly distracting and out of scope for the book too IMO 2018-01-04T13:30:14 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-04T13:30:29 < stvn> there is a book now? 2018-01-04T13:30:34 < tomeaton17> But you can use wine... 2018-01-04T13:33:50 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T13:33:59 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has quit [] 2018-01-04T13:37:52 -!- superbia2 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T13:44:12 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-04T13:44:34 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T13:50:32 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T14:09:57 -!- superbia2 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2018-01-04T14:23:13 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ~] 2018-01-04T14:36:43 -!- superbia2 [~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T14:40:27 -!- Yoofie [~chatzilla@97.70.118.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-04T14:41:16 < Steffanx> The result of a car manufacturer and microsoft that work together.... First they think it's a good idea to put windows is car.. and then they do this: www.blueandme.net -_- 2018-01-04T14:42:45 < BrainDamage> get adobe flash player 2018-01-04T14:43:05 < Steffanx> Yes, that kinda what i meant. 2018-01-04T14:43:14 < BrainDamage> at least it's not silverlight 2018-01-04T14:43:24 < Steffanx> But yeah, fuck italians, right BrainDamage? :P 2018-01-04T14:43:50 < BrainDamage> national tv switched to silverlight webstreaming here 1 year after microsft started discouraging its use 2018-01-04T14:44:43 < Steffanx> They switched here too, but pretty early. It wasnt too bad imho. 2018-01-04T14:45:03 < Steffanx> Now it is, because browser support sucks. 2018-01-04T14:52:01 < dongs> blue as in bluescreen? 2018-01-04T14:55:43 < Steffanx> infotainment system based on windows embedde automative. 2018-01-04T14:57:12 < Steffanx> no clue why "Blue" 2018-01-04T14:58:29 < BrainDamage> the more adjectives a product has, the better it is 2018-01-04T14:58:48 < BrainDamage> the sad thing is that it works on my parents 2018-01-04T15:05:14 < karlp> PaulFertser: https://zerobin.net/?6aa5317241926ebc#d7s9ACqDEWJS120Lpn9SlpEx8YdU4cMNgyCvvGFzKTc= put that into http://wavedrom.com/editor.html 2018-01-04T15:08:42 < PaulFertser> karlp: yeah, sure, nice tool. How to properly integrate this into an article writing workflow is another question though. 2018-01-04T15:27:42 < karlp> sure, but that's the emacs style 2018-01-04T15:27:50 < karlp> everything must be tex or it doens't matter. 2018-01-04T15:29:30 < PaulFertser> karlp: I'm not saying that. There's one issue that's kinda non-obvious to solve with an external tool: text renderings. If it's ok to have text rendered with another font/size/style than the rest of the article, then I see no reason why not to call an external local utility that would translate a JSON object into SVG. 2018-01-04T15:38:34 < karlp> or, "if it's not already part of tex, I'm not going to use it anyway" :) 2018-01-04T15:40:43 < dongs> wavedrom looks nice 2018-01-04T15:40:52 < dongs> for something probably written in jewascript/python 2018-01-04T15:41:08 < karlp> doesn't matter, it's just webpage and filch output 2018-01-04T15:41:25 < dongs> do i wanna know what filch is 2018-01-04T15:41:59 < karlp> ==steal 2018-01-04T15:44:04 < jadew> lol, farnell increased price on an item by more than 300% since last time I bought them 2018-01-04T15:44:22 < jadew> last time being a couple of months ago 2018-01-04T15:49:12 < jadew> now I have no reason not to buy from digikey 2018-01-04T16:08:13 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T16:12:44 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: my latest 3d print innovation - https://imgur.com/rGRg8GQ Nothing special, just playing around with PETG. And Fiat doesnt like to sell the holders they made for the hole they made in the dashboard. 2018-01-04T16:12:45 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T16:12:54 < Steffanx> Oh and i cheat because this is sanded a bit + spray painted 2018-01-04T16:13:12 < dongs> is that a phone holder but where does it plug in? 2018-01-04T16:13:17 < Steffanx> phone. 2018-01-04T16:13:25 < dongs> whats the target receptacle 2018-01-04T16:13:28 < dongs> that it goes into 2018-01-04T16:13:50 < Steffanx> oh that goes into a hole fiat added in the dashboard, but that somehow is TomTom-only. 2018-01-04T16:13:51 < karlp> dashboard on the fiat... 2018-01-04T16:13:59 < dongs> oh. 2018-01-04T16:14:19 < BrainDamage> what kind of mechanical monstruosity did you have the misfortune to acquire from italy? 2018-01-04T16:14:34 < Steffanx> http://punto.frankfokke.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ipad1.jpg like that. except that my car aint that fuckly red. 2018-01-04T16:15:05 < Steffanx> You mean what 4 wheel vehicle i have BrainDamage? 2018-01-04T16:15:12 < BrainDamage> yes 2018-01-04T16:15:26 < Steffanx> The one and only great punto. 2018-01-04T16:15:37 < BrainDamage> ah ok, that one is actually allright 2018-01-04T16:15:47 < BrainDamage> except for few oddities, it's a pretty reasonable vehicle 2018-01-04T16:15:48 < Steffanx> except that it aint grand anymore because they removed "grand" from the name for hte version i have. 2018-01-04T16:16:06 < Steffanx> 2012 version is just "Punto" again. 2018-01-04T16:16:19 < Steffanx> Yeah I like it so far. No real issues at all. 2018-01-04T16:16:36 < Steffanx> And it's cheapish. 2018-01-04T16:19:18 < dongs> 2018 is the year of the punto 2018-01-04T16:22:15 < jadew> hmm, mouser has shit prices too 2018-01-04T16:22:29 < jadew> same capacitor costs 4 to 5 times more on mouser than on TME 2018-01-04T16:22:36 < Steffanx> it is dongs? 2018-01-04T16:22:53 < dongs> > buying capacitors from mouser 2018-01-04T16:23:02 < dongs> judew neesd to learn the skills from Thorn 2018-01-04T16:23:45 < jadew> I have to buy some stuff from them, since they're the only ones selling it and thought I could buy other stuff too 2018-01-04T16:24:21 < jadew> but I guess that's not happening 2018-01-04T16:24:23 -!- kaa [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T16:26:08 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T16:40:44 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T16:45:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T16:45:21 < Laurenceb_> epin style triggering in store for Trump enemies 2018-01-04T16:45:25 < Laurenceb_> so... everyone 2018-01-04T16:46:08 < dongs> laurence/b/ can you leave that unfunny trash at home 2018-01-04T16:46:13 < dongs> and paste something funny at least 2018-01-04T16:48:43 < Laurenceb_> this new book sounds like truly epin lulz 2018-01-04T16:49:26 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/IiIyNrW 2018-01-04T16:50:37 < Tectu> guys, can a regular JTAG do SWD for an STM32? 2018-01-04T16:50:42 < Tectu> or does one need specific ST-Link? 2018-01-04T16:52:36 < karlp> you shoudl be able to ask a better question than that. 2018-01-04T16:52:52 < karlp> or know where to find it yourself. 2018-01-04T16:52:57 < Ultrasauce> stlink only works with gpl code 2018-01-04T16:54:17 < karlp> jlink only works with armv5 cores. 2018-01-04T16:54:23 < karlp> rlink for v6 plus? 2018-01-04T16:54:31 < karlp> if we're off in insanity land 2018-01-04T16:59:54 < Laurenceb_> armv5 is rage inducing 2018-01-04T17:04:21 < Laurenceb_> lul 4chan supports Hillary now 2018-01-04T17:05:23 < Laurenceb_> >supported by the KKK 2018-01-04T17:05:33 < Laurenceb_> >jovially celebrates the death of her opponents 2018-01-04T17:05:49 < Laurenceb_> >would have destroyed the Slav menace by bombing Russia 2018-01-04T17:06:20 < Laurenceb_> >up to date with memmies, knows all about Pepe 2018-01-04T17:06:45 < Laurenceb_> 4chan 4 Hillary 2018-01-04T17:06:51 < PaulFertser> Tectu: ftdi jtag adapters can do SWD with a little tweak. 2018-01-04T17:07:24 < PaulFertser> Tectu: yeah, what's your real question? 2018-01-04T17:07:47 < karlp> stm32 m3+ can do jtag too, as well as swd... 2018-01-04T17:11:19 < PaulFertser> Indeed 2018-01-04T17:39:21 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-04T17:44:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T17:51:46 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T17:57:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T18:05:17 -!- kaa [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-04T18:14:23 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T18:16:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-04T18:18:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-04T18:19:13 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T18:36:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T18:40:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-04T18:42:47 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T18:44:14 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T18:50:17 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-04T18:51:55 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T18:58:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-04T19:01:03 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:02:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:08:49 < Steffanx> You should use sourcesafe on windows superbia. Especially for .net. 2018-01-04T19:09:13 < Steffanx> So was it an old version of cura? 2018-01-04T19:09:17 < Steffanx> @ mr upgrdman 2018-01-04T19:09:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: your holder looks really nice. 2018-01-04T19:09:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:09:37 < PaulFertser> Is sourcesafe advice real or trolling? 2018-01-04T19:09:42 < Steffanx> trolling ofcourse. 2018-01-04T19:09:49 < Steffanx> Imho it was a mess, even in visual studio. 2018-01-04T19:12:53 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: Yeah. Although I still dont have the PETG process right. And one note.. i printed it in red. So i used some primer + black paint 2018-01-04T19:12:54 < PaulFertser> Have any of you ever radically changed occupation? I'm sometimes so annoyed with modern IT that I start to considering going into bicycles repair or something :/ 2018-01-04T19:13:59 < Steffanx> lol no, not yet PaulFertser. 2018-01-04T19:14:22 < Steffanx> Although retirement would be nice. 2018-01-04T19:14:53 < branjb> PaulFertser I went from aviation to electronic engineering 2018-01-04T19:15:09 < PaulFertser> superbia: for more than 100 years, yes. BTW, they're going tubeless lately. 2018-01-04T19:16:07 < Steffanx> Even in bicycle land The Netherlands it's a pretty hard job PaulFertser. 2018-01-04T19:16:15 < Steffanx> Especialy with those china e-bikes 2018-01-04T19:16:43 < Steffanx> or maybe e-bikes in general 2018-01-04T19:17:35 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: well, given my background I might have more luck with ebikes than a regular "bike mechanic". 2018-01-04T19:17:47 < PaulFertser> branjb: interesting. What motivated you? 2018-01-04T19:17:58 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i was using cura 16.0.someshit. downloaded the new cura but didnt have time to play last night 2018-01-04T19:18:33 < branjb> PaulFertser lost interest in what I was doing, long term the pay cap vs work required wasn't very good 2018-01-04T19:18:39 < upgrdman> link to your holder that paul likes? 2018-01-04T19:19:10 < PaulFertser> branjb: were you mostly doing aviation-specific EE back then? 2018-01-04T19:19:33 < branjb> I was doing avionics repair + in flight operation as aircrew 2018-01-04T19:19:33 < Steffanx> upgrdman: https://imgur.com/rGRg8GQ 2018-01-04T19:19:34 < upgrdman> Steffanx, any idea if the stupid logo behind the bed in cura can be hidden? 2018-01-04T19:19:50 < Steffanx> logo? :D 2018-01-04T19:19:54 < branjb> a little technical but not really EE related, more IT related. electronics was always a hobby of mine so EE made sense 2018-01-04T19:20:17 < upgrdman> Steffanx, the ULTIMAKER logo in 3d view 2018-01-04T19:20:25 < Steffanx> i see no logo. 2018-01-04T19:20:27 < upgrdman> at the back of the 3d bed 2018-01-04T19:20:29 < upgrdman> one sec 2018-01-04T19:20:32 < Steffanx> I dont remember ever seeing it. 2018-01-04T19:20:57 < upgrdman> Steffanx, https://ultimaker.com/img/support/Advanced-Settings@2x.jpg see the "Ultimaker 2+" 2018-01-04T19:21:08 < Steffanx> Yeah, i dont have that. 2018-01-04T19:21:11 < upgrdman> hmm k 2018-01-04T19:22:17 < Steffanx> oh, might be a 3.1 change 2018-01-04T19:22:23 < PaulFertser> branjb: it sounds like you also went for more creativity, do I understand it right? 2018-01-04T19:22:25 < Steffanx> Im still on 3.0.4 upgrdman 2018-01-04T19:22:46 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-04T19:22:55 < Steffanx> Installing 3.1 2018-01-04T19:24:53 < englishman> lol @ 3d printing a turbo impeller 2018-01-04T19:25:13 < Steffanx> heh nope, still not their. Dont remember i changed that. Might be related to the printer/model you select or something, upgrdman 2018-01-04T19:25:32 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-04T19:25:51 < Steffanx> Yep, that's it. When i select another printer, like some ultimaker one, i get that crap. 2018-01-04T19:26:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:26:53 < upgrdman> i wonder if it's an image somewhere in progFiles/cura ... maybe i could swap it out for goatse man or someshit 2018-01-04T19:27:19 < branjb> PaulFertser oh yeah, the type of maintenance I was doing was "figure out what box broke and swap it for a new one" pretty boring 2018-01-04T19:30:54 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:2de6:fec5:3fa6:fca5] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:31:00 < PaulFertser> branjb: so not anything like that http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=21.%20KLN89 2018-01-04T19:35:15 < Laurenceb_> nanmean([1,1,1]) 2018-01-04T19:35:16 < Laurenceb_> ans = 3 2018-01-04T19:35:24 < Laurenceb_> GNU-Octave intensifies 2018-01-04T19:35:51 < Steffanx> Youre doing it wrong 2018-01-04T19:36:29 < Steffanx> octave:1> nanmean([1,1,1]) 2018-01-04T19:36:29 < Steffanx> ans = 1 2018-01-04T19:36:47 < Steffanx> octave:2> version 2018-01-04T19:36:47 < Steffanx> ans = 4.0.1-rc1 2018-01-04T19:39:56 < Steffanx> What's the answer to the last command for you Laurenceb_? 2018-01-04T19:40:11 < Laurenceb_> 3.2 2018-01-04T19:40:18 < Laurenceb_> but why would it be that broken 2018-01-04T19:40:46 < Steffanx> 2011-06-09 <= how can you even? 2018-01-04T19:41:32 < Laurenceb_> % NANMEAN same as SUM but ignores NaN's. 2018-01-04T19:41:33 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-afebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:41:34 < Laurenceb_> what the 2018-01-04T19:41:39 < Steffanx> Even worse: January 28, 2010 2018-01-04T19:41:49 < Steffanx> Just stop wining and update your stuff 2018-01-04T19:42:27 < Steffanx> Your octave is 8 years old -_- 2018-01-04T19:44:14 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:44:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-04T19:44:18 < BrainDam1> dgo 2018-01-04T19:46:01 < PaulFertser> NAN _MEAN_ same as _SUM_? 2018-01-04T19:46:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:50:09 < Steffanx> it is what the docs said PaulFertser http://biosig.sourceforge.net/help/NaN/nanmean.html , but old and obsolete. 2018-01-04T19:50:36 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: likely a typo, kinda funny one. 2018-01-04T19:50:50 < Steffanx> or that's actually what it did in 2009/10 2018-01-04T19:50:56 < Steffanx> and from Laurenceb_ result that looks like it 2018-01-04T19:51:12 < PaulFertser> Y resulting mean 2018-01-04T19:51:21 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:51:21 < Laurenceb_> ok upgraded 2018-01-04T19:51:28 < Laurenceb_> can just use mean, much more sane 2018-01-04T19:51:46 < Steffanx> to what Laurenceb_? Version 3.3? :P 2018-01-04T19:51:55 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-04T19:51:56 < Laurenceb_> gdImageStringFT: Could not find/open font while printing string m with font Symbol 2018-01-04T19:52:01 < Laurenceb_> what a disaster zone 2018-01-04T19:52:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-04T19:52:23 < BrainDam1> wtf are you doing 2018-01-04T19:52:25 < Laurenceb_> well I cant see any immediate effects from that screw up so.. 2018-01-04T19:52:35 < Laurenceb_> trying to run it on ancient machine 2018-01-04T19:52:49 < BrainDam1> it being? 2018-01-04T19:53:16 < Laurenceb_> GNU 2018-01-04T19:53:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw 2018-01-04T19:54:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T19:54:19 < Steffanx> No, this is not GNU. This is autism. 2018-01-04T19:55:36 < Steffanx> Stop trolling me, Laurenceb_ 2018-01-04T19:55:44 < Laurenceb_> SPARTA?? THIS. IS. AUTISM. 2018-01-04T19:56:16 < BrainDam1> will you ever learn to speak like a human being? 2018-01-04T19:57:08 < PaulFertser> BrainDam1: he has already. But prefers not to, whatever the reason. 2018-01-04T19:57:36 < Steffanx> I was actually surprised when i read your document, Laurenceb_. You had this Heading "Results" as last item on the page. While the results started on a new page. How can you deal wit that? 2018-01-04T19:59:48 < BrainDam1> his autism is concentrated on social ineptitude rather than extreme focusing and arbitrarily high quality standards 2018-01-04T20:00:00 < BrainDam1> aka he gets all the disadvantages and none of the benefits 2018-01-04T20:00:23 < Laurenceb_> kek 2018-01-04T20:00:26 < Steffanx> Haha. I lolled irl. 2018-01-04T20:01:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T20:01:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I think that's because his "Results" section has essentially no text at all, and the pictures are floating. So it's pretty normal to have heading there because there's no text follows anyway :) 2018-01-04T20:01:50 < Steffanx> It might be normal from a technical point of view, but imho it's not normal. 2018-01-04T20:02:05 < Steffanx> And text does follow, but it's below hte images. 2018-01-04T20:02:10 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: floating illustrations are common for articles as that often improves readability. But in this case he just didn't bother to give document appropriate structure there. 2018-01-04T20:02:12 < Steffanx> kinda as a caption, which also sucks. 2018-01-04T20:02:32 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, text is under the next section, "Conclusions" 2018-01-04T20:02:50 < Steffanx> Really? 2018-01-04T20:02:56 < Steffanx> let me reopen the document 2018-01-04T20:03:18 < kikes> secks 2018-01-04T20:04:28 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: I was refering to the captions below the images. It contains more text than just a basic description of the image. 2018-01-04T20:04:42 < Steffanx> but why bother. Laurenceb_ doesn't bother either. 2018-01-04T20:04:57 < PaulFertser> Probably he will next time. 2018-01-04T20:05:06 < Steffanx> I don't think so. 2018-01-04T20:05:37 < Laurenceb_> channel status: making me look the least autistic on the channel 2018-01-04T20:05:54 < PaulFertser> That document is still much better than what most people usually produce in "ms word". 2018-01-04T20:06:49 < Steffanx> We would have continue to bother the entire evening, before we make you look the least, Laurenceb_ 2018-01-04T20:07:05 < Steffanx> My word documents look better. :P 2018-01-04T20:07:57 < Steffanx> I mainly use word at work because others have to edit the documents as well and dont do latex -_- 2018-01-04T20:08:49 < PaulFertser> I assume they do not use a VCS for documents either. 2018-01-04T20:09:04 < Steffanx> They do. 2018-01-04T20:09:19 < BrainDam1> interoperability is the #1 reason for format choice 2018-01-04T20:09:36 < Steffanx> Partially manually, but the review/change tracking of word aint that bad. 2018-01-04T20:09:46 < Steffanx> And word actually has this mode to compare two revisions of documents. 2018-01-04T20:10:07 < PaulFertser> So you have some special VCS scripts to export two revisions and compare? 2018-01-04T20:10:28 < Steffanx> No, not scripting involved. 2018-01-04T20:10:30 < Steffanx> *no 2018-01-04T20:11:19 < PaulFertser> So how to correlate VCS version with documentation changes then? 2018-01-04T20:13:20 < Steffanx> How to? Just check out an old revision, and the new one and do a compare? 2018-01-04T20:13:26 < Steffanx> or is that not what you meant? 2018-01-04T20:13:46 < PaulFertser> Then without scripts you do it manually. Not just "git diff" 2018-01-04T20:14:04 < Steffanx> oh, sure. 2018-01-04T20:15:35 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T20:16:08 < Steffanx> I never bother to do it, but i cannot image that step cannot be easily automated PaulFertser. To open Word docs in word in the compare mode it has. 2018-01-04T20:18:09 < Steffanx> Its what turtoisesvn does by default for word documents iirc. 2018-01-04T20:18:36 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-04T20:18:41 < Steffanx> but yeah, that likely to be "scripted" too. 2018-01-04T20:20:48 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T20:21:01 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: you dont hear me say it's all great. It just works well enough for when you have to use Word. 2018-01-04T20:21:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: heh, understood 2018-01-04T20:25:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T20:27:54 < srk> karlp: cause it packaged for fedora and works.. I'm moving to nixos slowly though 2018-01-04T20:29:14 < srk> karlp: agree that BMP section is out-of-context, I'll need to move sections around a lot 2018-01-04T20:30:50 < srk> Tectu: for TRACING/SWO I'm trying to make this work https://github.com/mubes/orbuculum 2018-01-04T20:30:53 < srk> no luck so far 2018-01-04T20:31:27 < srk> but it can do SWO with BMP/CP2102/jlink 2018-01-04T20:31:41 < srk> tracing with ice40 hx8 2018-01-04T20:39:41 < PaulFertser> srk: are you aware of https://lujji.github.io/blog/installing-blackmagic-via-stlink-bootloader/ ? 2018-01-04T20:41:07 < srk> PaulFertser: ah cool, I usually use external prog to flash BMP bootloader 2018-01-04T20:41:42 < PaulFertser> srk: that said, openocd is also nicely packaged for most distros, supports swo capture. 2018-01-04T20:41:48 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T20:42:29 < srk> PaulFertser: didn't know that, what hw does it support? 2018-01-04T20:42:35 < Laurenceb_> any matlab gurus here? 2018-01-04T20:42:47 < PaulFertser> srk: for swo capture? Or jtag/swd debug probes? 2018-01-04T20:42:51 < Laurenceb_> error: eval: invalid use of statement list <-wut?? 2018-01-04T20:43:06 < Laurenceb_> from: cellfun('propogatelowpass',v); 2018-01-04T20:43:11 < srk> PaulFertser: SWO 2018-01-04T20:44:08 < PaulFertser> srk: stlink, jlink. And it can configure everything needed to capture with external uart, and there's even a specific example in the docs with 12M baud ftdi configuration. 2018-01-04T20:44:31 < BrainDam2> are methlab:ask me again whrn i'm sober 2018-01-04T20:44:33 < srk> PaulFertser: I'm pretty happy with BMP now though, just looking for something like 'orbtop' 2018-01-04T20:45:02 < BrainDam2> re* 2018-01-04T20:45:07 < srk> PaulFertser: might have a look for UART capture as I can't seem to get it running with orbuculum 2018-01-04T20:45:39 < Steffanx> lol you are drunk and suddenly your connection is bad again. I see a correlation BrainDam2 2018-01-04T20:45:42 < srk> https://github.com/mubes/orbuculum/issues/9 2018-01-04T20:46:10 < srk> getting syncs but no data 2018-01-04T20:46:17 < BrainDam2> because i still didn't bother to fix my phone's vpn 2018-01-04T20:46:18 < srk> and this stupid intel noise 2018-01-04T20:46:54 < BrainDam2> and i tend to irc from my phone only when drunk 2018-01-04T20:47:19 < BrainDam2> i need to fix it so i can keep apparences 2018-01-04T20:47:50 < BrainDam2> drunk irc tech support is one of the favourites hobbies of mine 2018-01-04T20:48:11 < BrainDam2> there's me, thid 2018-01-04T20:48:31 < srk> :D 2018-01-04T20:48:55 < BrainDam2> this lovely xmas ale, and a bunch of weird questions 2018-01-04T20:50:01 < PaulFertser> srk: it would be interesting if you tried openocd with stlink, asking openocd to write trace data to a named fifo, and used orbtop/orbcat on that. 2018-01-04T20:53:24 < srk> PaulFertser: I have these STlink clones - can you hook it to SWIM pin? 2018-01-04T20:53:40 < PaulFertser> srk: stlink clones should have swo pin 2018-01-04T20:53:53 < srk> hm, it's marked as SWIM for some reaso 2018-01-04T20:53:53 < srk> n 2018-01-04T20:54:02 < srk> but I think that's actually SWO 2018-01-04T20:54:50 < srk> anyway, there's another option and that is BMP with bluepill at 2.25M baud 2018-01-04T20:55:18 < srk> for some reason genuine BMP can only do 200K 2018-01-04T20:55:25 < srk> not that I have any :( 2018-01-04T20:56:54 < PaulFertser> srk: swim is swim, I think real stlink uses different pin for swo capture. 2018-01-04T20:56:57 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-04T20:57:13 < srk> ah, ok 2018-01-04T20:57:18 < srk> so what is swim? 2018-01-04T20:57:21 < PaulFertser> srk: what about using openocd with stlink and cp2101 to capture, with a known good example from the openocd docs? 2018-01-04T20:57:25 < PaulFertser> srk: stm8 debug protocol 2018-01-04T20:58:01 < srk> PaulFertser: yeah, I'll try that, but I need to wait till this intel noise goes away 2018-01-04T20:58:28 < PaulFertser> Not only intel :) 2018-01-04T20:58:31 < srk> and figure out what to do with fucking openvz 2018-01-04T20:58:51 < srk> right, our cluster is 100% intel /o\ 2018-01-04T20:59:30 < PaulFertser> I guess intel managed to fuck it up by not notifying linux folks early enough. 2018-01-04T20:59:35 < srk> with 2.6.32 openvz kernel with no patches yet 2018-01-04T20:59:36 < srk> sad 2018-01-04T21:00:09 < upgrdman> every time i hear "sad" im reminding of trump tweeting. he ruined that word. 2018-01-04T21:00:18 < srk> :( 2018-01-04T21:00:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T21:00:28 < upgrdman> yes, frowny face indeed. 2018-01-04T21:00:55 < Tectu> does altium have a dedicated testpoint thingy or do you just create a component? 2018-01-04T21:01:08 < upgrdman> i made a component and symbol 2018-01-04T21:01:16 < srk> like if this happened in a month or two we could have upstream kernel with lxc ready. but now it's just bad 2018-01-04T21:01:29 < PaulFertser> srk: https://lujji.github.io/blog/stlink-clone-trace/ 2018-01-04T21:02:21 < srk> PaulFertser: cool, ty. think I'll end up with my own version of F103 based prog 2018-01-04T21:02:25 < PaulFertser> srk: apparently they knew about the first problem (but still not enough in advance) but not the branch prediction problem. 2018-01-04T21:02:26 < srk> if BMP still fits on these 2018-01-04T21:03:23 < PaulFertser> A quick hack like that to add SWO to a clone is pretty nice to have. 2018-01-04T21:04:09 < srk> yy. I did hack all my progs and F4 discos :D 2018-01-04T21:04:29 < srk> last time we flashed like 4 in a row + UART passthru 2018-01-04T21:04:38 < srk> and bunch of stlink clones 2018-01-04T21:05:11 < Steffanx> Why you have to wait for the intel crap to go away srk? How are you affected? Some project you manage? 2018-01-04T21:05:22 < srk> Steffanx: https://vpsadmin.vpsfree.cz/ 2018-01-04T21:05:46 < srk> Outage #423 begins in six hours (2018-01-05 01:00 CET) 2018-01-04T21:05:58 < srk> except there's no kernel to update to yet 2018-01-04T21:05:59 < srk> whoops 2018-01-04T21:06:07 < Steffanx> oh you have to update stuff. 2018-01-04T21:07:12 < srk> or burn 2018-01-04T21:07:29 < Steffanx> or maybe burn.. :P 2018-01-04T21:07:30 < srk> and run to the hills 2018-01-04T21:08:48 < Steffanx> With any of those bugs you still have to get into the system(s) right? 2018-01-04T21:08:54 < Steffanx> *bugs = found issues 2018-01-04T21:09:30 < srk> yeah, it's the worst with shared environments 2018-01-04T21:09:58 < srk> readonly attack but you can dump memory slowly 2018-01-04T21:19:06 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T22:02:05 < Laurenceb_> HELP 2018-01-04T22:02:05 < Laurenceb_> VERY FRUSTRATED 2018-01-04T22:02:16 < Laurenceb_> I am unable to internets 2018-01-04T22:02:43 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2018-01-04T22:03:21 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, sup 2018-01-04T22:03:35 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-04T22:03:43 < upgrdman> did the uk kick you off the interwebs after 4chan'ing too much? 2018-01-04T22:03:43 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T22:03:52 * Laurenceb_ is reading shitposts on /b/ while he waits for his shitty pentium to run methlab scriptz 2018-01-04T22:04:23 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T22:04:24 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: nah but 4chan keep banning me for dead kitten posting 2018-01-04T22:04:34 < upgrdman> dafuq 2018-01-04T22:06:00 < Laurenceb_> it's the kryptonite, the one way to trigger them 2018-01-04T22:11:43 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZxfHf8u_lQ 2018-01-04T22:11:47 < kikes> music times 2018-01-04T22:15:10 < kikes> when do we see performance hit on intel processors? 2018-01-04T22:15:27 < Steffanx> NOW. 2018-01-04T22:15:31 < kikes> oh 2018-01-04T22:15:47 < kikes> was it like.. yesterday? 2018-01-04T22:16:09 < kikes> when did microsoft roll new firmwares out? 2018-01-04T22:16:17 < kikes> *win10 auto updates 2018-01-04T22:17:33 < Steffanx> idk :P 2018-01-04T22:17:43 < kikes> I don't see in the list 2018-01-04T22:17:45 < Steffanx> dont know if microsoft did anything yet, probably not. 2018-01-04T22:18:06 < kikes> let's not make them all angry at once 2018-01-04T22:18:43 < kikes> let's wait a week or two and then carefully dump it in their machines 2018-01-04T22:18:51 < Tectu> first alitdongs PCB ordered 2018-01-04T22:18:53 < Steffanx> no way microsoft is going to release fixes this fast. 2018-01-04T22:18:59 < Tectu> please pretend that you care 2018-01-04T22:19:06 < Steffanx> niiiice Tectu 2018-01-04T22:19:54 < kikes> Steffanx, even if they had their release ready 2018-01-04T22:20:11 < Steffanx> they still want to test it properly... (i assume) 2018-01-04T22:20:34 < kikes> yes 2018-01-04T22:20:50 < Steffanx> Better let the order be good Tectu 2018-01-04T22:20:53 < Steffanx> *pcb 2018-01-04T22:22:14 < kikes> mah windows is latest.. I can not enjoy update now 2018-01-04T22:22:55 < Tectu> sad day 2018-01-04T22:23:05 < kikes> I love big and long updates 2018-01-04T22:23:18 < kikes> all night 2018-01-04T22:23:54 < Steffanx> Hah, tell my manager that kikes. He was pissed all day long because he decided to update. Took 2 hours. 2018-01-04T22:24:08 < Steffanx> ( mainly because he for some reason refuses to update and now he no longer had the choice ) 2018-01-04T22:24:09 < Tectu> Y U NO fiber 1G/1G? 2018-01-04T22:24:30 < Steffanx> Why so sad mr Tectu? 2018-01-04T22:26:13 < Steffanx> Better follow this great flow diagram: https://imgur.com/a/YMyBP 2018-01-04T22:28:34 < Laurenceb_> Accel RMS fit error:0.0%, Magno:0.2% 2018-01-04T22:28:35 < Laurenceb_> Inclination, mean:65.6 degrees, std:0.7 degrees 2018-01-04T22:28:35 < Laurenceb_> (Actual is ~67degrees) 2018-01-04T22:28:38 < Laurenceb_> not bad at all 2018-01-04T22:29:32 < Laurenceb_> >>people died face down in the trenches of france so that MAGA fans could BTFO of SJWs 2018-01-04T22:30:57 < Tectu> is this london slag again? 2018-01-04T22:30:59 < Tectu> slang* 2018-01-04T22:31:02 < Tectu> like baby poking 2018-01-04T22:31:31 < Laurenceb_> London 2018-01-04T22:31:32 < Laurenceb_> lulwut 2018-01-04T22:31:44 < Tectu> laurenceb_ == london 2018-01-04T22:32:04 < Laurenceb_> thats pretty insulting 2018-01-04T22:32:23 < Tectu> it was durby or something, no? 2018-01-04T22:32:34 < Tectu> derby* 2018-01-04T22:32:41 < Steffanx> Nottingham. 2018-01-04T22:32:45 < Tectu> so london 2018-01-04T22:33:02 < Steffanx> Not even close mr Tectu 2018-01-04T22:33:04 < Tectu> is it on the english island? yes -> london. 2018-01-04T22:33:11 < Laurenceb_> >implying any British ppls live in London 2018-01-04T22:33:11 < Tectu> like dutch is amsterdam 2018-01-04T22:33:15 < Tectu> ofc 2018-01-04T22:33:50 < Steffanx> If you can do it easily by foot or bicycle it's not close. 2018-01-04T22:33:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-04T22:34:27 < Steffanx> Unless you own a helicopter, then everything gets semi-close in dutchland 2018-01-04T22:34:59 < Steffanx> *can't 2018-01-04T22:36:19 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T22:36:21 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-04T22:37:54 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T22:38:19 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-04T22:38:27 < upgrdman> that's one thing i don't understand about europe (most countries actually) ... why the fuck is traveling long distances such a pain in the ass 2018-01-04T22:38:39 < srk> cause the infra sucks 2018-01-04T22:38:41 < BrainDamage> you're kidding right 2018-01-04T22:38:48 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, no. 2018-01-04T22:38:54 < Steffanx> the infra doesnt suck srk.. the traffic does though 2018-01-04T22:38:57 < BrainDamage> eu's infrastructure is actually one of the best in the world 2018-01-04T22:38:58 < kikes> upgrdman, for europeans? 2018-01-04T22:39:05 < kikes> or for everybody? 2018-01-04T22:39:09 < kikes> in europe 2018-01-04T22:39:13 < BrainDamage> altought not so much if you're not an eu citizen 2018-01-04T22:39:15 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, but traveling long distances is a pain 2018-01-04T22:39:25 < upgrdman> having to use public transit, waiting, etc. 2018-01-04T22:39:37 < BrainDamage> well, that's an inherent problem in ... being a long distance 2018-01-04T22:39:40 < upgrdman> union strikes causing rpoblems, etc. 2018-01-04T22:39:41 < kikes> in central europe you can shoot in any direction with high speed trains 2018-01-04T22:39:46 < srk> Steffanx: imo it sucks hard, we could have had maglevs if there are money pumped to such stuff instead of stupid roads for cars 2018-01-04T22:39:47 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, not in the usa ;) 2018-01-04T22:39:54 < BrainDamage> you're shitting me 2018-01-04T22:40:02 < Steffanx> Yes, that's true srk. 2018-01-04T22:40:04 < BrainDamage> the usa where even finding a train is a miracle? 2018-01-04T22:40:13 < kikes> pump moneys to car industry and oil industry 2018-01-04T22:40:23 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, the usa where you dont have to settle for public transit 2018-01-04T22:40:23 < kikes> pump moneys to roads 2018-01-04T22:40:37 < srk> pump moneys to electricity! 2018-01-04T22:40:45 < upgrdman> i can get in my car and just go somewhere. any time of night, any holiday, even if faggot union workers are striking, etc 2018-01-04T22:40:52 < kikes> if it's coal based srk 2018-01-04T22:41:03 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-04T22:41:08 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: sure, you can in the EU too, but traffic is going to be a nightmare due to city density 2018-01-04T22:41:14 < upgrdman> yes exactly 2018-01-04T22:41:26 < Steffanx> upgrdman, better drive to new york. Center. Daily. 2018-01-04T22:41:27 < upgrdman> but in the usa, that's rare (with some obvious exceptions) 2018-01-04T22:41:36 < BrainDamage> usa has 300M people, italy alone has 65 2018-01-04T22:41:41 < BrainDamage> you cannot make a comparison 2018-01-04T22:42:00 < upgrdman> sure you can. im not saying italy is being dumb. im saying that denisty sucks ass :) 2018-01-04T22:42:10 < Steffanx> I can easily drive to eastern europe without (many) traffic jams. 2018-01-04T22:42:19 < BrainDamage> ah yes, let's magically create space 2018-01-04T22:42:21 < Steffanx> Just avoid the (bigger) cities. 2018-01-04T22:42:35 < Steffanx> Avoid rush hour. And you're all done. 2018-01-04T22:42:38 < BrainDamage> ohwait, we're in a more more montaineous country than switzerland 2018-01-04T22:42:44 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, im not hating on your country. just saying that its easier to travel long distances in the usa. 2018-01-04T22:42:59 < BrainDamage> simply because you have less people 2018-01-04T22:43:08 < upgrdman> that's not a bad thing, lol 2018-01-04T22:43:13 < BrainDamage> you should have plenty of experience from chinashit too 2018-01-04T22:43:17 < upgrdman> i do 2018-01-04T22:43:20 < upgrdman> that's why i hate 2018-01-04T22:43:27 < Steffanx> upgrdman, i just dont like to drive for > 2 hours. Just because I dont like it. 2018-01-04T22:43:40 < upgrdman> in china, you cna take shit public transit, or take a car and waste 200% more time in the car 2018-01-04T22:43:53 < Steffanx> So even with no traffic and > 350km.. no thanks. 2018-01-04T22:43:53 < upgrdman> Steffanx, thats ok 2018-01-04T22:44:02 < Laurenceb_> uk trains are ok 2018-01-04T22:44:11 < Laurenceb_> apart from the horrifying overpricing 2018-01-04T22:44:21 < upgrdman> oh ya that too 2018-01-04T22:44:32 < upgrdman> transit in europe/many places is expensive 2018-01-04T22:44:40 < upgrdman> <3 cheap usa gasoline 2018-01-04T22:44:42 < Steffanx> Wasnt there this guy that once went from some place in the uk to london via germany by air plane and it was cheaper than just the train to london?? 2018-01-04T22:44:44 < BrainDamage> what 2018-01-04T22:44:47 < upgrdman> who cares if its subsidized :) 2018-01-04T22:44:48 < Steffanx> And he was even able to visit germany a bit 2018-01-04T22:45:07 < BrainDamage> for 200€ i could buy a ticket that would literally take me anywhere in eu with railways for a month 2018-01-04T22:45:15 < BrainDamage> /could/did/ 2018-01-04T22:45:25 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: yeah that sounds about right 2018-01-04T22:45:38 < Laurenceb_> I can catch plane to Scotland for a fraction of the price of train 2018-01-04T22:45:50 < upgrdman> 200euros would but a shit ton of gasoline in the usa 2018-01-04T22:45:50 < Laurenceb_> why I would ever want to go to Scotland is another question 2018-01-04T22:46:03 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-04T22:46:09 < Laurenceb_> its basically Canada 2.0 2018-01-04T22:46:15 < BrainDamage> sure, but usa's gas price is rather different from the world because it literally goes to war and ivades countries to keep it low 2018-01-04T22:46:16 < Laurenceb_> or 0.1 or whatever 2018-01-04T22:46:19 < BrainDamage> you cannot make a comparison 2018-01-04T22:46:21 < upgrdman> without the maple syrup 2018-01-04T22:46:53 < kikes> now I know what slows my computer down 2018-01-04T22:46:57 < kikes> that xbox bullshit 2018-01-04T22:46:59 < Steffanx> At least scotland has real englishmans unlike our canuck englishman. 2018-01-04T22:47:05 < Steffanx> *men 2018-01-04T22:47:05 < Steffanx> lol 2018-01-04T22:47:15 < Tectu> oh boy... 2018-01-04T22:47:20 < kikes> I think I disabled it once 2018-01-04T22:47:33 < Steffanx> You xbox kikes? 2018-01-04T22:47:34 < BrainDamage> why is englishman englishman anyway 2018-01-04T22:47:42 < BrainDamage> just because of the heritage? 2018-01-04T22:47:46 < Steffanx> Yes, he better tells us a good story about the name. 2018-01-04T22:47:48 < kikes> windows games recorder stuff 2018-01-04T22:47:57 < kikes> press Win + G to do shiet 2018-01-04T22:48:14 < kikes> it must be that 2018-01-04T22:48:16 < Steffanx> Oh that game bar. Blegh 2018-01-04T22:48:29 < Laurenceb_> muh heritage 2018-01-04T22:49:05 < BrainDamage> i like how when i am piss drunk i still can make more coherent sentences than faprenceb 2018-01-04T22:49:09 < Laurenceb_> https://pics.me.me/muh-heritage-guinnes-from-the-page-difficulty-ii-~drunk-collins-1183158.png 2018-01-04T22:49:55 < upgrdman> is pepe still big on 4chan 2018-01-04T22:50:06 < Steffanx> Know your memes BrainDamage. 2018-01-04T22:50:13 < upgrdman> iirc the creator killed him off because he didnt like the memes of his dear pepe 2018-01-04T22:50:17 < BrainDamage> i am on the verge on puking my brains out, and you still don't manage to make any goddamn sense 2018-01-04T22:50:37 < upgrdman> why so drunk 2018-01-04T22:50:37 < BrainDamage> memes are not a replacement for logic 2018-01-04T22:50:50 < upgrdman> shit euro transit bumming you out? 2018-01-04T22:50:56 < Steffanx> ^ 2018-01-04T22:50:57 < upgrdman> drink away the pain 2018-01-04T22:50:59 < Steffanx> ^ 2018-01-04T22:51:00 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/ByhfDVp.jpg 2018-01-04T22:51:01 < BrainDamage> because my life is shit and i am fundamentally an hedonist 2018-01-04T22:51:19 < Steffanx> You should meet Rob235, BrainDamage 2018-01-04T22:51:25 < BrainDamage> so it provides both an useful distraction and a life experience 2018-01-04T22:51:49 < BrainDamage> why, so i can rewrite a website for a univ project 36000 times 2018-01-04T22:51:50 < Laurenceb_> https://pics.me.me/9-11-never-forget-cold-war-won-strongest-war-desert-usa-13928548.png 2018-01-04T22:51:52 < englishman> thing is with travelling long distances in usa is you're still in usa 2018-01-04T22:52:06 < BrainDamage> well, duh, thank you captain obvious 2018-01-04T22:52:15 < Steffanx> Do you also feel to need to kill and rape people or .. what BrainDamage? 2018-01-04T22:52:17 < upgrdman> englishman, lol. that's a features not a bug. 2018-01-04T22:52:53 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: nope, i swore a wov to myself to never take on others my personal frustration 2018-01-04T22:53:21 < upgrdman> no voodoo dolls then? 2018-01-04T22:53:37 < BrainDamage> and while alcohol does lower my inhibitions and i tend to be less ... political correct, i still don't like to demean others to feel better about myself 2018-01-04T22:53:48 < upgrdman> you're missing out 2018-01-04T22:53:58 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: if those would work I'd have a warehouse full of them by now 2018-01-04T22:54:01 < upgrdman> but that is nice of you 2018-01-04T22:54:05 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-04T22:54:15 < Steffanx> Better get stoned or something BrainDamage. 2018-01-04T22:54:19 < Steffanx> Alcohol meh 2018-01-04T22:54:23 < upgrdman> stonedER 2018-01-04T22:55:23 < BrainDamage> i tried stoned, i only managed to hit on anything that breathes and literally pass out on a bench 2018-01-04T22:55:45 < BrainDamage> so nothing for me 2018-01-04T22:55:57 < Steffanx> lol. 2018-01-04T22:57:19 < englishman> maybe try inner peace 2018-01-04T22:57:40 < BrainDamage> that's my long term goal that i don't seem to be able to achieve 2018-01-04T22:57:41 < Steffanx> This may help : http://www.chakras.info/wp-content/uploads/What-Is-Chakra-1.jpg 2018-01-04T22:59:04 < Steffanx> Damn, I suddenly realized we're back on what IRC is supposed to be. 2018-01-04T22:59:22 < BrainDamage> idle ranting chat? 2018-01-04T22:59:43 < Steffanx> More of bunch of idiots with mental and/or physical issues 2018-01-04T23:00:21 < BrainDamage> i try to keep mine to myself, i just have an harder time when intoxicated 2018-01-04T23:00:22 < kikes> black chakra 2018-01-04T23:00:33 < BrainDamage> unlike few others here 2018-01-04T23:01:28 < Steffanx> as long as you are not going to be like [i dont remember his name, with his random link posts, and has issues with his arse or something] i can deal with it. 2018-01-04T23:01:30 < BrainDamage> then again, i have this hypothesis that anyone whom spends at least x time on irc has some irl hard issue he/she/it can't ope with 2018-01-04T23:01:47 < englishman> flyback 2018-01-04T23:01:51 < Steffanx> flyback yes 2018-01-04T23:02:02 < BrainDamage> flyback is on a whole other league 2018-01-04T23:02:04 < Steffanx> and maybe avrphreaque. Another oldy with issues. 2018-01-04T23:02:10 < Steffanx> and no longer with us. 2018-01-04T23:02:19 < englishman> with a name like that, good riddance 2018-01-04T23:02:24 < BrainDamage> when you have your own urban dictionary about yourself, you need to revaluate your life choice 2018-01-04T23:02:37 < kikes> Steffanx, you don't remember my name? 2018-01-04T23:02:41 < BrainDamage> and seek professional help 2018-01-04T23:02:52 < Steffanx> no, i dont remmeber your name before kakimir, kikes 2018-01-04T23:03:03 < englishman> beaky? 2018-01-04T23:03:03 < BrainDamage> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flyback 2018-01-04T23:03:19 < Steffanx> no bad words about AVR englishman. Remember this channel originated in ##stm32 2018-01-04T23:03:35 < Steffanx> whops 2018-01-04T23:03:36 < Steffanx> #avr 2018-01-04T23:03:37 < kikes> BrainDamage, whaaat 2018-01-04T23:03:38 < Steffanx> damn. 2018-01-04T23:03:41 < BrainDamage> avr are plenty ok, I've used them before the arduino craze 2018-01-04T23:03:53 < BrainDamage> much more sane than pic anyway 2018-01-04T23:03:55 < englishman> anyone ever been to spain 2018-01-04T23:04:03 < BrainDamage> i did 2018-01-04T23:04:06 < kikes> if canary islands count 2018-01-04T23:04:07 < englishman> what part 2018-01-04T23:04:14 < Steffanx> no, too far away englishman 2018-01-04T23:04:42 < BrainDamage> catalynia and andalusia 2018-01-04T23:05:02 < englishman> interesting 2018-01-04T23:05:15 < englishman> because im looking at a bike trip from barcelona to gibraltar 2018-01-04T23:05:16 < Steffanx> Isnt EU a bit too far away from your basement? 2018-01-04T23:05:39 < BrainDamage> that's a long trip, but probably awesome 2018-01-04T23:05:43 < englishman> then crossing, and eventually flying out from tangiers 2018-01-04T23:05:50 < Steffanx> bike as in motor bike? 2018-01-04T23:05:56 < BrainDamage> I'm not sure about the political situation about barcelona now tought 2018-01-04T23:06:05 < Steffanx> afaik that pretty much ended BrainDamage 2018-01-04T23:06:09 < Steffanx> For now. 2018-01-04T23:06:40 < BrainDamage> the costal road is awesome, can vouch for it 2018-01-04T23:07:10 < englishman> does spain have cheap scooters or motos for tourists to buy 2018-01-04T23:07:18 < englishman> like south asia does 2018-01-04T23:07:24 < englishman> prferable unlicensed 2018-01-04T23:07:36 < BrainDamage> i didn't look at it, so can't comment, license you'll need one as per eu regulations 2018-01-04T23:07:45 < BrainDamage> but your license should be sufficient 2018-01-04T23:08:01 < Steffanx> For some reason i would rather fly from spain englishman. There is something about marrocco that stops me from going there. 2018-01-04T23:08:38 < Steffanx> Wouldnt you have to get some (temporarily) EU license? 2018-01-04T23:09:24 < PaulFertser> englishman: are you serious about riding 50cc for considerable distances? :) 2018-01-04T23:09:30 < englishman> yes 2018-01-04T23:09:38 < englishman> i had several scooters 2018-01-04T23:09:52 < BrainDamage> iirc some driving licenses are recognized as valid for provisional times ( tourism ) without too much bureaucracy 2018-01-04T23:10:03 < karlp> srk: orbuculum works ok for me, but I don't try using it with BMP, only with OOCD+stlink :) 2018-01-04T23:10:19 < BrainDamage> i never understood the appeal of scooters 2018-01-04T23:10:21 < srk> ah, cool 2018-01-04T23:10:38 < karlp> srk: I even had an orbtop demo here recenntly, againnn with oocd+stlink, 2018-01-04T23:10:39 < Steffanx> How can you, as an italian, not like a vespa? 2018-01-04T23:10:41 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: at least the USA and EU accept driving licenses issued by russia without any additional work, the licenses are valid for tourists. 2018-01-04T23:10:49 < kikes> englishman, when? 2018-01-04T23:10:54 < englishman> april 2018-01-04T23:10:59 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: i got rekt with broken nose by a vespa when i was 4 2018-01-04T23:11:12 < BrainDamage> and my mother too trying to protect me 2018-01-04T23:11:13 < kikes> englishman, do you have exact date? 2018-01-04T23:11:23 < englishman> no 2018-01-04T23:11:29 < kikes> how long? 2018-01-04T23:11:33 < englishman> 2 weeks or so 2018-01-04T23:11:42 < BrainDamage> most of my personal finances are actually from compound interests from the civil settlement 2018-01-04T23:11:51 < kikes> what is your travel bike like? 2018-01-04T23:12:07 < srk> karlp: I would rather not use oocd as it feels redundant when BMP implements gdb api 2018-01-04T23:12:11 < Steffanx> Better change your nick back to kakimir, kikes. karl p and kikes are to similar and have the same colour for some reason. My brain cannot deal with that. 2018-01-04T23:12:15 < srk> one less tool to restart when stuff goes bonkers 2018-01-04T23:12:21 -!- kikes is now known as kakimir 2018-01-04T23:12:28 < BrainDamage> englishman: from personal experience, avoid summer, it's just too hot, try to aim for spring/spring to summer transition 2018-01-04T23:12:28 < Steffanx> :) 2018-01-04T23:12:43 < kakimir> or go now 2018-01-04T23:12:48 < englishman> itl have to be april, isnt that springy enough? 2018-01-04T23:12:51 < englishman> or too late? 2018-01-04T23:12:57 < kakimir> 10celsius - erfect' 2018-01-04T23:13:02 < Steffanx> Sounds pretty springy too me. 2018-01-04T23:13:08 < Steffanx> -o 2018-01-04T23:13:08 < BrainDamage> april is good, altough the weather is going to be a bit variable 2018-01-04T23:13:10 < englishman> https://weatherspark.com/y/34081/Average-Weather-in-Gibraltar-Year-Round 2018-01-04T23:13:13 < BrainDamage> it might be rainy, or good 2018-01-04T23:13:29 < BrainDamage> if you get fair weather, it'll be awesome 2018-01-04T23:13:43 < srk> karlp: do you know the orbuculum dev? if he hangs on IRC possibly 2018-01-04T23:13:45 < BrainDamage> if you get rains, prepare for eu's equivalent to moonseoon 2018-01-04T23:13:50 < BrainDamage> -e 2018-01-04T23:13:59 < srk> -O2 2018-01-04T23:14:20 < PaulFertser> englishman: is riding such a scooter closer to riding a motorbike or a pushbike? 2018-01-04T23:14:41 < BrainDamage> motorbike no, pushbike yes 2018-01-04T23:14:42 < englishman> hmm 2018-01-04T23:15:05 < englishman> id say moto 2018-01-04T23:15:40 < BrainDamage> fuck that, i can best most people on a scooter on my mountain bike 2018-01-04T23:15:53 < Steffanx> down hill? 2018-01-04T23:16:07 < BrainDamage> yes, i only pack few hundred W on my legs 2018-01-04T23:16:56 < englishman> you think you have 1/2 hp in your legs 2018-01-04T23:17:23 < BrainDamage> 1/2 hp average, 1-2 for ~10 min 2018-01-04T23:17:41 < karlp> srk: I just mentioend oocd as how I've been using orbuculum, not forcing you to it, 2018-01-04T23:18:12 < karlp> if your tools were better you'd not be restartingn thhem either ;) I tend to leave openocd running ~permanently, evenn across suspends, just works. 2018-01-04T23:18:12 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/amwejcjhoxpc7fd/out3.mkv?dl=1 2018-01-04T23:18:13 < srk> sure 2018-01-04T23:18:19 < karlp> gdb on the other hand... 2018-01-04T23:18:19 < kakimir> https://weatherspark.com/y/92822/Average-Weather-in-Oulu-Finland-Year-Round 2018-01-04T23:18:25 < BrainDamage> 92 km/h after the bridge 2018-01-04T23:18:29 < srk> karlp: good to hear 2018-01-04T23:18:45 < srk> karlp: gdb often ends up in some loop consuming 100% cpu after suspend :D 2018-01-04T23:19:10 < karlp> the mrnubes dude responded to issues on githhub, but no, no irc that I know of. 2018-01-04T23:19:20 < srk> I've stopped using notebook for work, switched to workstation so I don't suspend or even disconnect stuf :D 2018-01-04T23:19:40 < karlp> code quality is.... special, but orbuculum was somewhat nicer for the multi channel trace stuff, 2018-01-04T23:19:52 < srk> yeah, he responds to my questions as well but its hard to keep context 2018-01-04T23:20:01 < karlp> so, what's not working for you? 2018-01-04T23:20:19 < srk> orbtop gets no data, I'm only gettings syncs (with CP2102) 2018-01-04T23:20:26 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:2de6:fec5:3fa6:fca5] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-04T23:20:33 < srk> https://github.com/mubes/orbuculum/issues/9 2018-01-04T23:20:33 < kakimir> englishman, own bike or rent bike? 2018-01-04T23:20:51 < karlp> heh, arenn't you a BMP fan? you should have left stlink on, 2018-01-04T23:20:58 < karlp> now you've gott an extra dongle... ;P 2018-01-04T23:21:09 < kakimir> it was pretty cheap to fly with a bicycle for me 2018-01-04T23:21:17 < srk> karlp: testing orbtrace on ice40 but it looks like the pins just float when I issue prepareTRACE 2018-01-04T23:21:17 < BrainDamage> actually yes, using stlink would let you debug the usb msg 2018-01-04T23:21:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T23:21:29 < srk> we have one with stlink fw 2018-01-04T23:21:31 < kakimir> I think it was 50eur for long flight 2018-01-04T23:21:31 < BrainDamage> with bmp you're bound to the gdb iface 2018-01-04T23:21:40 < kakimir> lufthansa 2018-01-04T23:21:48 < srk> BrainDamage: I'm pretty happy with that :) 2018-01-04T23:21:58 < BrainDamage> then switch to stlink and try to get a dump to wireshark 2018-01-04T23:22:31 < BrainDamage> you'll likely need some chinashit usb debugger dongle mitm 2018-01-04T23:22:34 < srk> no idea where this genuine crap is though, some guy is using it 2018-01-04T23:22:37 < karlp> srk: man, wtf are you doing trying out their random alpha ice40 capture when you can't even get basic captures working? 2018-01-04T23:22:37 < BrainDamage> depending on your hw 2018-01-04T23:22:40 < PaulFertser> englishman: that said, I ride a 125cc bike myself but it's able to go about 100 km/h steadily, so that's good enough for getting around for me. 2018-01-04T23:22:48 < srk> karlp: I'm trying both in parallel 2018-01-04T23:22:53 < srk> what's wrong with that 2018-01-04T23:23:02 < srk> I can manage to do multiple things at once :D 2018-01-04T23:23:15 < englishman> PaulFertser: minsk? 2018-01-04T23:23:17 < srk> although ice40 is new to me 2018-01-04T23:23:20 < karlp> aren't they all failing though? 2018-01-04T23:23:25 < srk> kind-of 2018-01-04T23:23:40 < srk> but when get at least one working this is gonna be a big win :) 2018-01-04T23:23:42 < PaulFertser> englishman: no, ybr-125 2018-01-04T23:23:44 < srk> *I 2018-01-04T23:23:51 < karlp> https://asciinema.org/a/Qf9rJtGtDJqDEKfKVpK2angkj 2018-01-04T23:24:00 < englishman> oh not even even russisn 2018-01-04T23:24:04 < karlp> 2017-11-25T18:37:05 < karlp> the "nc -k 9999" bit there isn't needed anymore, mubes fixed it for me to follow the file properly 2018-01-04T23:24:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-04T23:24:22 < BrainDamage> openocd always manages to trigger me with the manual config selection 2018-01-04T23:24:23 < srk> looks good 2018-01-04T23:24:44 < karlp> BrainDamage: yeah, theyv'e gott automatic detection of stlink versions nnow at least. 2018-01-04T23:24:55 < karlp> now it shhould actually be possible to autodetect stm32 too. 2018-01-04T23:25:05 < karlp> but they didn't really build up a whole, "what's connected? go with that" 2018-01-04T23:25:06 < srk> with BMP it's just few --exs https://github.com/distrap/ivory-tower-helloworld/blob/master/Makefile#L21 2018-01-04T23:25:14 < BrainDamage> ah nice, i guess i should give it a go again 2018-01-04T23:25:41 < karlp> openocd -f interface/stlink.cfg -f target/stm32l1x.cfg is all I have nromally... 2018-01-04T23:25:43 < PaulFertser> englishman: the only russian motorbike still in manufacturing is "Ural". Everything else is china oem stuff. And btw, Minsk is the capital of Belarus, so not exactly russian either :) 2018-01-04T23:26:02 < englishman> ohh ural 2018-01-04T23:26:06 < englishman> they sold them here for a while 2018-01-04T23:26:09 < englishman> with a sidecar 2018-01-04T23:26:19 < PaulFertser> They still are selling that, only with a sidecar. 2018-01-04T23:26:26 < PaulFertser> In the USA 2018-01-04T23:26:32 < englishman> :) 2018-01-04T23:26:36 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-04T23:27:20 < PaulFertser> I guess it's the cheapest sidecar bike there, and also you can develop your bike mechanic skills with it. 2018-01-04T23:27:38 < englishman> heh 2018-01-04T23:28:03 < PaulFertser> I've read they're now pretty reliable compared to the soviet times. 2018-01-04T23:29:21 < PaulFertser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUZOzT4F0DI official ad 2018-01-04T23:29:22 < BrainDamage> srk: how can you stand haskell 2018-01-04T23:29:31 < BrainDamage> the language is ok, but the ecosystem makes me shudder 2018-01-04T23:29:46 < BrainDamage> the instant you try to bring in libraries, i want to pull out my teeth 2018-01-04T23:30:10 < srk> BrainDamage: example? 2018-01-04T23:30:19 < BrainDamage> basically no shared libraries 2018-01-04T23:30:26 < srk> libraries for what? 2018-01-04T23:30:41 < srk> haskell ecosystem is huge 2018-01-04T23:30:48 < Tectu> doesn't mean that it's good 2018-01-04T23:30:52 < Tectu> that wasn't BrainDamage's point 2018-01-04T23:31:16 < srk> well, I have time, so which ecosystem is good in your opinion 2018-01-04T23:31:34 < srk> cause I think haskells ecosystems is one of the best as it allows for most code re-use 2018-01-04T23:31:38 * karlp doesnn't believe claims on lanngauge ecosystems being so big 2018-01-04T23:31:39 < srk> due to types 2018-01-04T23:31:46 < BrainDamage> i am a bit biased, but most languages whom heavily employ language specific package managers tend to give me pain 2018-01-04T23:31:59 < srk> is there a language that doesn't? :D 2018-01-04T23:32:01 < karlp> sooner or later it's, "do I want to write this again myself? or do I enter the hell of binding to this established well tested C library" 2018-01-04T23:32:04 < srk> C/C++? 2018-01-04T23:32:19 < karlp> C, and anything that has pleasant binding mechannisms to c 2018-01-04T23:32:23 < kakimir> PaulFertser, how do those bikes run under water? 2018-01-04T23:32:50 < kakimir> I do not see snorkel 2018-01-04T23:32:51 < karlp> I've become quite hhappy withh how easy it is to write lua bindings to C libraries 2018-01-04T23:32:56 < kakimir> *a snorkel 2018-01-04T23:33:03 < srk> karlp: he, yeah, I have this dilema with https://github.com/memononen/nanovg and https://github.com/AndrewBelt/oui-blendish/ 2018-01-04T23:33:19 < BrainDamage> srk: all languages nowdays tend to have that, but for some the libs aren't tightly coupled with the package manager at least 2018-01-04T23:33:25 < PaulFertser> kakimir: I think they should have moved air intake higher, probably attached to the steering column. 2018-01-04T23:33:26 < srk> I would like to have GL based UI toolkit but no time and willpower to write one 2018-01-04T23:33:28 < BrainDamage> or rather, the installation instructions 2018-01-04T23:33:44 < kakimir> I don't see it 2018-01-04T23:33:55 < karlp> but, but, the haskeell ecosystem is huge? 2018-01-04T23:34:07 < karlp> you're tellingn me there's no ready to go opengl toolkit for haskell? 2018-01-04T23:34:08 < kakimir> how is haskell @ 2017? 2018-01-04T23:34:16 < srk> UI toolkit 2018-01-04T23:34:16 < kakimir> karlp, you wish 2018-01-04T23:34:28 < kakimir> haskell is not for that stuff supposedly 2018-01-04T23:34:31 * karlp grins 2018-01-04T23:34:31 < srk> like qt but *in* opengl 2018-01-04T23:34:43 < kakimir> I tried haskell a bit once 2018-01-04T23:35:02 < srk> I tried C once, actually multiple times .. and it sucked :D 2018-01-04T23:35:02 < kakimir> first thing -> how to use this with opengl 2018-01-04T23:35:19 < kakimir> so you need to implement some sort of haskell -> C interface 2018-01-04T23:35:28 < srk> pls :) 2018-01-04T23:35:32 < BrainDamage> c is simple, not easy 2018-01-04T23:35:34 < kakimir> for your opengl calls 2018-01-04T23:35:36 < srk> you just use andromeda to generate your shaders 2018-01-04T23:35:43 < srk> and glfw bindings 2018-01-04T23:35:46 < srk> done 2018-01-04T23:35:52 < BrainDamage> simplicity comes with the cost of the complexity needing to be handled by yourself 2018-01-04T23:36:00 < srk> same with stuff like lapack or blas.. 2018-01-04T23:36:14 < BrainDamage> the benefit of c is the determinism and total control of the end result 2018-01-04T23:36:27 < srk> but the bindings are actually pretty nice for lots of stuff 2018-01-04T23:36:28 < BrainDamage> something that high level languages don't often give you 2018-01-04T23:37:10 < srk> for example potrace bindings https://hackage.haskell.org/package/potrace-0.1.0.0/docs/Graphics-Potrace.html 2018-01-04T23:37:38 < srk> dead simple and you can figure out most of the stuff you need from types :) 2018-01-04T23:38:41 < srk> BrainDamage: for example ivory tower uses haskell as more of a macro language and safeguarding and generates C :) 2018-01-04T23:39:11 < BrainDamage> there's a couple issues with that 2018-01-04T23:39:32 < BrainDamage> one is the library handling, which you're glossing over, which is ok-ish in embeddded since you tend to diy 2018-01-04T23:39:46 < BrainDamage> the other is the capability to untuit the end asm from your code 2018-01-04T23:39:51 < BrainDamage> intuit 2018-01-04T23:40:24 < srk> yeah, this is not ideal for truly baremetal asm stuff 2018-01-04T23:40:42 < srk> when you need to perform some quick tricks in asm 2018-01-04T23:40:57 < srk> but in practice I have no such issues so far 2018-01-04T23:41:03 < srk> as gcc is quite good at optimizing :) 2018-01-04T23:41:10 < srk> and there are optimization in ivory as well 2018-01-04T23:41:29 < srk> one thing I found out recently is that ISR overhead is high 2018-01-04T23:41:36 < BrainDamage> it's not just about the tricks, but the ability to understand at any time the allocation sizes 2018-01-04T23:41:55 < BrainDamage> performance is sort of hit or miss, you either fit in the mcu requirement or you don't 2018-01-04T23:42:09 < srk> like I have timer that triggers ISR for each step (stepper control) and it overloads CPU easily on higher freq 2018-01-04T23:42:16 < BrainDamage> but memory in my experience is something that you always want to be able to keep in check 2018-01-04T23:42:20 < srk> due to too much locking going on 2018-01-04T23:42:25 < srk> ha ha 2018-01-04T23:42:30 < srk> memory is fun with ivory 2018-01-04T23:42:36 < srk> everything is statically allocated 2018-01-04T23:42:51 < BrainDamage> memory pool? 2018-01-04T23:43:15 < srk> no, at compile time 2018-01-04T23:44:43 < BrainDamage> does it allow ada data types too for int ops? 2018-01-04T23:44:58 < srk> ada types? 2018-01-04T23:45:21 < BrainDamage> ada allows you to specify fixed point int operations, so you can forgo flops, and work entirely from int with fixed res 2018-01-04T23:45:34 < BrainDamage> you setup your requirements at compile time, and compiler works its magic 2018-01-04T23:45:59 < BrainDamage> you can pretty much throw away flops if you want 2018-01-04T23:46:35 < srk> I see 2018-01-04T23:47:01 < srk> it doesn't support anything like that. at one point I've tried to implement type safe fixed point math but I realized I don't need that with FPU 2018-01-04T23:47:12 < srk> too little gain for too much work/code clutter 2018-01-04T23:47:54 < BrainDamage> it's not light on the compiler requirements indeed, but the int-only processing in my experience does wonder in terms of code quality assurance 2018-01-04T23:48:14 < BrainDamage> as in you can tell error boundaries for algos at any step of processing 2018-01-04T23:48:23 < aandrew> yeah I have trouble accepting that floats are not a bad thing with some archs these days 2018-01-04T23:48:26 < BrainDamage> granted, most shit doesn't give a fuck about those 2018-01-04T23:49:11 < BrainDamage> but i did work with some projects where i needed hard boundaries on algo errors at every steps 2018-01-04T23:49:13 < aandrew> mind you your low level math code needs to correctly work too. you always have to check for > or <, never == and also correctly detect or throw exceptions when nan or inf or whatever is returned 2018-01-04T23:50:01 < BrainDamage> most of the float cons arguments in the past has always been the performance 2018-01-04T23:50:10 < aandrew> yes 2018-01-04T23:50:22 < BrainDamage> but there's a sneakier argument, the fact that float processing state machine is a clusterfuck 2018-01-04T23:50:30 < aandrew> and as a 30y+ experienced C programmer I'm still stuck in that mentality, it's tough breaking out 2018-01-04T23:51:35 < kakimir> ye 2018-01-04T23:51:45 < srk> like the performance on F4 seems quite good, on F7 it should be even better 2018-01-04T23:51:56 < srk> for doubles iirc 2018-01-04T23:53:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-04T23:53:36 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-131-145.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] --- Day changed Fri Jan 05 2018 2018-01-05T00:00:51 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/upFyEgt.jpg 2018-01-05T00:01:13 < BrainDamage> is the cat yours? 2018-01-05T00:01:39 < englishman> i wish 2018-01-05T00:02:30 < englishman> a certain jap chatter is sending me one of these http://whatispopularinjapanrightnow.com/house-for-cat-lovers-kuroneko-yamato-shipping/ 2018-01-05T00:08:10 < kakimir> jubb life is weird 2018-01-05T00:10:57 < BrainDamage> did you start to spend already your income in prostitutes? 2018-01-05T00:11:42 < kakimir> I have to wait for paycheck for 1,5months 2018-01-05T00:13:16 < kakimir> how? 2018-01-05T00:13:24 < BrainDamage> why 2018-01-05T00:13:25 < BrainDamage> when 2018-01-05T00:13:35 < kakimir> actually.. where? 2018-01-05T00:13:50 < kakimir> work place after hours? 2018-01-05T00:14:59 < kakimir> your coworker starts pimpin 2018-01-05T00:18:23 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-afebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-05T00:26:07 < Steffanx> Why wait 1.5months kakimir? Cant they pay you for 0.5 month? 2018-01-05T00:26:50 < kakimir> Steffanx, probs they could 2018-01-05T00:26:55 < Steffanx> Then he still has to be paid for 1.45 months 2018-01-05T00:27:44 < MrMobius> I think it depends on the country :P 2018-01-05T00:28:23 < Steffanx> Unlike yankeeland, finland is a decent country, MrMobius 2018-01-05T00:28:43 < MrMobius> things arent so bad in yankeeland. I was thinking more South Korea 2018-01-05T00:29:00 < Steffanx> South Korea?! 2018-01-05T00:29:11 < MrMobius> when I worked there some of my friends were told "well, we didn't turn enough of a profit this month, so...I guess we just won't pay you anything, ok?" 2018-01-05T00:29:15 < kakimir> usually paying is every 2 weeks 2018-01-05T00:29:45 < kakimir> in this case every month and with 2week delay 2018-01-05T00:29:53 < Steffanx> bastards 2018-01-05T00:30:04 < Steffanx> kakimir's life aint free. 2018-01-05T00:30:34 < BrainDamage> since the job doesn't pay you for prostitutes, are you prostituting yourself? 2018-01-05T00:30:46 < BrainDamage> ofc, every life has a price 2018-01-05T00:31:09 < kakimir> Steffanx, I could ask payment earlier for sure 2018-01-05T00:31:36 < kakimir> bald man child prostitute! 2018-01-05T00:32:33 < BrainDamage> superbia: there's always someone more desperate than yourself 2018-01-05T00:32:39 < BrainDamage> except maybe 4channers 2018-01-05T00:33:21 < BrainDamage> if you exclude failrenceb it's pretty tame imo, I've seen way worse 2018-01-05T00:33:22 < MrMobius> https://youtu.be/dcVi9lWUTcM?t=38 2018-01-05T00:33:29 < MrMobius> ^maybe this exists for stm32 2018-01-05T00:34:12 < Steffanx> Have you tried ##electronics yet superbia? 2018-01-05T00:34:55 < Steffanx> Im there, but dont even read stuff said there 2018-01-05T00:35:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-42503930 2018-01-05T00:35:27 < BrainDamage> see what i meant about 4channers? 2018-01-05T00:36:09 < Steffanx> Then you know more than me superbia. 2018-01-05T00:38:21 < Steffanx> I dont want to know 2018-01-05T00:39:49 < Steffanx> ty welcome! 2018-01-05T00:41:15 < BrainDamage> he uses osx 2018-01-05T00:41:19 < Steffanx> he uses windows 2018-01-05T00:41:31 < Steffanx> atm 2018-01-05T00:42:07 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T00:42:15 < BrainDamage> also the thing is a bit overblown 2018-01-05T00:42:25 < BrainDamage> it's hard as fuck to exploit it 2018-01-05T00:42:26 < Steffanx> And have a performance hit of 10-30% superbia? 2018-01-05T00:42:36 < Steffanx> up to 50% or whatever it was? 2018-01-05T00:42:43 < BrainDamage> and the performance hit is a function of what cpu features you have 2018-01-05T00:42:52 < karlp> wasn't ttthaht only with some of the initial patches? 2018-01-05T00:43:40 < BrainDamage> the annoying shit is that you need to essentially virtualize all kernel sys api calls 2018-01-05T00:43:52 < BrainDamage> so if your cpu has hw virtualization extensions, you're ok 2018-01-05T00:43:52 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@h84.166.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 2018-01-05T00:44:01 < BrainDamage> if not, you're going to get the hit 2018-01-05T00:47:08 < karlp> huh, mbed-os specifically says "do _not_ use newlib-nanno!" 2018-01-05T00:49:16 < Steffanx> Really karlp? They just posted something about reducing memory using a custom printf + newlib nano 2018-01-05T00:49:22 < Steffanx> *memory usage 2018-01-05T00:50:44 < karlp> yeah, htat's the article I was reading :) 2018-01-05T00:51:12 < karlp> bold down the bottom is "If you are using Mbed's RTOS, do not use newlib-nano!" 2018-01-05T00:51:20 < karlp> "However, if you run your Mbed OS application in a single thread (or have removed the RTOS), and need to squeeze the last piece of flash out of your system, using newlib-nano can bring signifcant benefits" 2018-01-05T00:51:27 < srk> lol 2018-01-05T00:51:33 < karlp> "Keep in mind that newlib-nano is not thread-safe and should not be used by any Mbed OS application that uses the RTOS" 2018-01-05T00:51:41 < BrainDamage> noice 2018-01-05T00:54:58 < Steffanx> hah 2018-01-05T00:56:28 < srk> OS for single threaded apps 2018-01-05T00:56:29 < srk> so meta 2018-01-05T00:57:57 < ds2> Hmmmm 2018-01-05T00:58:50 < BrainDamage> well, os is HAL + scheduler + networking 2018-01-05T00:59:06 < BrainDamage> even if you remove the scheduler, an os still sort of make sense 2018-01-05T00:59:36 < BrainDamage> altought ofc the embedded world has plenty of libs that provide 1 and 3 without the scheduler 2018-01-05T00:59:56 < BrainDamage> sorry, i forgot a 4th that would be filesystems 2018-01-05T00:59:58 < BrainDamage> still 2018-01-05T01:00:31 < srk> good luck with networking without scheduler 2018-01-05T01:00:58 < BrainDamage> you can, you'll just have blocking calls all over 2018-01-05T01:01:07 < srk> yeah, very useful 2018-01-05T01:01:10 < BrainDamage> it's ok for tasks that don't require deterministic performance 2018-01-05T01:02:23 < sync> gah, does someone have an example project with an f746 and cdcacm, I'm having some really strange issues where the hal_pcd_irqhandler gets stuck and nothing matches the value that usb_readinterrupts returns from gintsts 2018-01-05T01:02:36 < sync> or the stuff on the other side also terminates determistically 2018-01-05T01:06:35 < BrainDamage> ok, I'm sufficiently bored, anyone wants to hop on voice chat? anything that's not webrtcshit is a fair game, including skype, mumble, teamspeak or whatever 2018-01-05T01:08:25 < PaulFertser> srk: I had stm32 ethernet work projects without scheduler. lwIP just needed polling every now and then. 2018-01-05T01:08:33 < Steffanx> lol BrainDamage. 2018-01-05T01:08:48 < BrainDamage> is that a yes? 2018-01-05T01:08:50 < Steffanx> How about bed time? 2018-01-05T01:08:58 < srk> PaulFertser: I see, what you did with lwIP? 2018-01-05T01:09:06 < srk> can it handle v6? 2018-01-05T01:09:19 < Steffanx> No, it's 00.00 and people in tha house are asleep. 2018-01-05T01:09:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T01:10:09 < PaulFertser> srk: yes, it can. In my case I was serving one dynamic http page with decoded data I was getting via rs485 from another device. 2018-01-05T01:10:13 < srk> 00:00 people in tha house are hacking :D 2018-01-05T01:10:25 < Steffanx> The isolation (of sound) aint that good in my basement 2018-01-05T01:10:31 < BrainDamage> because I'm in no mental condition to sleep ofc 2018-01-05T01:10:56 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: so you generate the page statically and refresh the data on poll? 2018-01-05T01:11:00 < PaulFertser> srk: and in another about the same but sending protobuf-encoded (nanopb) directly via tcp. 2018-01-05T01:11:02 < Thorn> can I add series resistors to a rs-485 bus for protection 2018-01-05T01:11:22 < BrainDamage> define protection 2018-01-05T01:11:48 -!- Yoofie [~chatzilla@97.70.118.76] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T01:11:56 < Thorn> e.g. from a short circuit to +12V 2018-01-05T01:12:02 < Thorn> or even 24V 2018-01-05T01:12:05 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: it was more like CGI, with a special C function getting called to put the corresponding data in directly while serving the page. 2018-01-05T01:12:24 < srk> PaulFertser: would like to try ethernet but the number of registers is off-putting 2018-01-05T01:12:30 < srk> pretty much like USB :D 2018-01-05T01:12:50 < Steffanx> After you take a look at lwip and the drivers it's actually pretty easy srk 2018-01-05T01:12:57 < BrainDamage> Thorn: if the line is short, you *could* add series protection, the longer it is, the more you need to impedance match to preserve the edges 2018-01-05T01:13:10 < srk> Steffanx: but I have to write my own drivers for that ;) 2018-01-05T01:13:15 < Steffanx> The stack itself is harder... 2018-01-05T01:13:21 < BrainDamage> then it boils to if the series termination for impedance matching gives low enough current for protection or not 2018-01-05T01:13:24 < BrainDamage> but i doubt so 2018-01-05T01:13:26 < srk> there are none for ivory/tower (no USB or ETH) 2018-01-05T01:13:37 < srk> and no much need for that either 2018-01-05T01:13:38 < Steffanx> Sure, but those drivers tend to be pretty straight forward 2018-01-05T01:13:58 < srk> the question is - is it worth the effort? 2018-01-05T01:14:12 < srk> I hear ppl complain about these a lot due to CPU requirements 2018-01-05T01:14:13 < Steffanx> If you also add some fancy stack, sure. 2018-01-05T01:14:15 < srk> and complexity 2018-01-05T01:14:26 < Steffanx> If you want to do it in haskell, better not do it :P 2018-01-05T01:14:31 < srk> why 2018-01-05T01:14:37 < srk> I have CANOpen stack implemented 2018-01-05T01:14:39 < BrainDamage> Thorn: so, do you know your circuit size? 2018-01-05T01:14:55 < srk> (for embedded) :) 2018-01-05T01:15:00 < Steffanx> lol, joking. I never did haskell and it's unlikely i ever will 2018-01-05T01:15:05 < srk> :D 2018-01-05T01:15:12 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I think I've asked you this before but what generally causes an ARM to not be able to be halted from SWD? 2018-01-05T01:15:19 < srk> Steffanx: do you know CANOpen? 2018-01-05T01:15:25 < Steffanx> Not yet. 2018-01-05T01:15:27 < aandrew> generally I find I have to power cycle the MCU to fix it 2018-01-05T01:15:28 < BrainDamage> go to an indian restaurant, and order some delicious curry 2018-01-05T01:15:40 < BrainDamage> then pretend you're writing lambda expressions 2018-01-05T01:15:53 < srk> Steffanx: basically application protocol for CAN, remote registers and means to access/change these 2018-01-05T01:15:56 < Thorn> BrainDamage: well I don't want to artificially limit bus lengths, although I'm pretty sure that realistic lengths for this particular device are going to be < 100m 2018-01-05T01:16:01 < Thorn> (but I want a more or less general solution) 2018-01-05T01:16:06 < PaulFertser> aandrew: if you seem to be able to talk to CPU but "halt" times out, it's most of the time meaning the target is either permanently kept in reset or getting reset by watchdog. 2018-01-05T01:16:10 < Thorn> to copy/paste into new projects 2018-01-05T01:16:23 < Steffanx> srk, i think most peopel complain because they dont have a clue what they're doing and how to configure lwip (for example) properly. Or the driver is crappy. 2018-01-05T01:16:33 < BrainDamage> if you want a generic solution, there's TVS diodes and clamping circuits 2018-01-05T01:16:34 < Steffanx> in case of LPC .. the drivers can be crappy. 2018-01-05T01:16:41 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: canopen is aids as dongs would describe it. Pretty big and complicated and somewhat meaningless industry standard... 2018-01-05T01:16:50 < Steffanx> dongs. 2018-01-05T01:16:57 < Steffanx> No. Need. To. Say. More. 2018-01-05T01:17:22 < Steffanx> or is this your opinion too, PaulFertser? 2018-01-05T01:17:33 < aandrew> PaulFertser: yeah that's what I tend to see... I can identify the chip and read the romtbl but resetting or halting fails 2018-01-05T01:17:33 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: my opinion. I was using CanFestival. 2018-01-05T01:18:22 < Steffanx> The website of CanFestival makes me not want to use it :P 2018-01-05T01:18:50 < Steffanx> Especially when i read "Main repo, quite lazily updated".. 2018-01-05T01:20:42 < sync> well, profibus is not better or worse 2018-01-05T01:20:47 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the protocol is really big and complex. I do not remember getting particularly unhappy with canfestival itself. 2018-01-05T01:21:42 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: What would you use instead? 2018-01-05T01:21:45 < Laurenceb_> https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/3/797 2018-01-05T01:22:06 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: checked git log, not a single amendment to its code 2018-01-05T01:22:24 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: old. Just posted this morning by englishman 2018-01-05T01:22:45 < BrainDamage> it works as designed, it just happens that the design is shit 2018-01-05T01:23:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: CAN bus itself is really cool and nice way for devices interconnect. Hardware arbitration and prioritisation, multi-node, reliability, all that. But I have no clue what sane system to put on top of it. 2018-01-05T01:23:50 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-05T01:23:56 < Thorn> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/170920/overvoltage-protection-for-rs485-inputs 2018-01-05T01:24:27 < BrainDamage> polyfuse are ok only for slow signals 2018-01-05T01:24:37 < BrainDamage> aka someone wiring the 24V to your lines 2018-01-05T01:24:57 < BrainDamage> not someone jumping a cat then grabbing the cable 2018-01-05T01:26:26 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T01:26:31 < Thorn> ESD protection is a separate matter of course 2018-01-05T01:26:56 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T01:26:56 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-05T01:26:56 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T01:27:01 < karlp> heh, I just closed tthe ivory tower pages earlier tonight, you donn't have usb _or_ ethernet anyway? they can stay closed :) 2018-01-05T01:34:08 < karlp> Thorn: we have tvs diodes and common mode chokes on our rs485 inputs. 2018-01-05T01:39:18 < Thorn> but no overvoltage protection? or is it handled by the driver itself? 2018-01-05T01:39:52 < BrainDamage> that's what TVS diodes are for 2018-01-05T01:40:12 < BrainDamage> if you limit current intake they can sustain conduction 2018-01-05T01:40:14 < karlp> I can't get to my schamtics at the moment, I'm part way through system updaates. 2018-01-05T01:40:47 < Thorn> tvs alone will burn out very soon 2018-01-05T01:41:06 < srk> karlp: yup, we might try to add that at some point but it's nowhere near critical for me 2018-01-05T01:41:35 < karlp> you're never going to convincne people that haskell is all rulingn if you don't support one of the best and most widespread peripherals :) 2018-01-05T01:41:36 < srk> would like to have CDC ACM but I can live with UART and CAN for debugging as well 2018-01-05T01:42:24 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T01:43:16 < srk> karlp: the reason why there's no driver for USB is no-one it needed it yet, there's a large project called smaccmpilot which is port of ArduCopter and they didn't need USB for it. the second large project is distrap which doesn't need USB either 2018-01-05T01:43:46 < karlp> doesn't need it because it wasnn't an option :) 2018-01-05T01:43:57 < srk> karlp: but when there's a need we can add that, it's just another driver anyway 2018-01-05T01:43:58 < karlp> bu ok, enough teasing sorry :) 2018-01-05T01:44:17 < srk> it is an option, you just need to write a driver, like for any other periph 2018-01-05T01:45:29 < srk> I've already added bunch of registers for timers and adc for ivory-tower-stm32 that they've skipped but that's easy compared to huge number of USB regs 2018-01-05T01:45:50 < srk> was poking at opencm3 and their USB impl and it doesn't look _that_ complex though 2018-01-05T01:45:58 < srk> so it's just a matter of priorities now :) 2018-01-05T01:46:13 < karlp> iirc, someone had a forth usb stack too 2018-01-05T01:47:35 < srk> cool 2018-01-05T01:47:56 < srk> was thinking of implementing forth vm in ivory, might be fun :) 2018-01-05T01:48:40 < srk> some people would like to have this PLC like functionality where you can load some code to be interpreted by the device 2018-01-05T01:49:15 < srk> though I prefer compiling everything to ensure as much safety as possible 2018-01-05T01:49:37 < srk> but I really like interpreted lua on esp8266 with nodemcu 2018-01-05T01:49:43 < srk> for BrainDamaged tasks its quite nice 2018-01-05T01:49:58 < BrainDamage> i am not an adjective 2018-01-05T01:51:25 < srk> wanted braindead but .. 2018-01-05T01:51:43 < srk> tab completion insisted 2018-01-05T01:56:04 < Ultrasauce> BrainDamaged tasks are definitely a thing but in embedded development it refers to something somewhat different than what you have in mind 2018-01-05T01:56:07 < Ultrasauce> like doing dsp with regexes 2018-01-05T01:56:40 < BrainDamage> shush you 2018-01-05T01:58:31 < srk> :D 2018-01-05T02:01:16 < Steffanx> Better pay the bastard a visit. You know where his house lives. 2018-01-05T02:02:50 < srk> Ultrasauce: in the end regexp is equivavelnt to a finite state machine :D 2018-01-05T02:03:01 < BrainDamage> that's what i am using it for 2018-01-05T02:03:05 < Ultrasauce> thanks for the cs primer 2018-01-05T02:08:28 < srk> np 2018-01-05T02:09:11 < srk> but are dsps and regexes equivalent? 2018-01-05T02:11:16 < Steffanx> yes 2018-01-05T02:11:22 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/d61ab14322/73173.jpg 2018-01-05T02:11:23 < srk> hope so :D 2018-01-05T02:11:53 < Steffanx> Better sleep Laurenceb_ 2018-01-05T02:13:29 < sync> Laurenceb_: comment in the hackerspace "and that is why people sometimes die" 2018-01-05T02:13:55 < Laurenceb_> Trump has an IQ of 156. The average IQ is 100 2018-01-05T02:14:25 < Laurenceb_> the IQ is biggly 2018-01-05T02:14:36 < Steffanx> in the US its 98. 2018-01-05T02:15:20 < Laurenceb_> >not 56 2018-01-05T02:16:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/603818-transavia-flight-passenger-screams-allahu-akbar.html 2018-01-05T02:16:59 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2018-01-05T02:19:12 < upgrdman> wtf. looking for a printer/scanner/copies for work, and if i want to print on 11x17 paper, the price more than quadruples. like $700 vs $3600 2018-01-05T02:19:51 < upgrdman> well, for laser. theres cheap shit inkjets for $200 but fuck that 2018-01-05T02:19:55 < sync> what iso size is that? 2018-01-05T02:20:00 < sync> like a3? 2018-01-05T02:20:04 < upgrdman> i guess 2018-01-05T02:20:13 < upgrdman> is like two normal pages 2018-01-05T02:20:33 < upgrdman> like you cna fold it in half and get the "normal" size 2018-01-05T02:20:40 < sync> so A3 2018-01-05T02:20:42 < sync> ya 2018-01-05T02:20:44 < sync> it is a problem 2018-01-05T02:20:57 < sync> especially as all of the color A3 printers suq diq ime 2018-01-05T02:21:01 < aandrew> huh 2018-01-05T02:21:04 < upgrdman> ya. and half of what i print is on 11x17 because fuck reading schematics on 8.5x11 2018-01-05T02:21:19 < aandrew> Cortex processors are allowed to eliminate NOPs from the pipeline 2018-01-05T02:21:27 < sync> get a cheap old laserjet 2018-01-05T02:21:39 < sync> only BW but eh 2018-01-05T02:21:41 < aandrew> i.e. you can't guarantee small timing delays with NOPs on Cortex systems 2018-01-05T02:21:57 < upgrdman> ya i think the boss might be happyest if i we a normal all-in-one, and a second printer just for printing 11x17. 2018-01-05T02:21:58 < aandrew> upgrdman: bought a nice epson 11x17 duplex with duplexing ADF for like $300 2018-01-05T02:22:00 < aandrew> inkjet but w/e 2018-01-05T02:22:17 < upgrdman> aandrew, ya inkjet is the problem. fuck that. this is for work, not home 2018-01-05T02:22:36 < upgrdman> must be laser. bw is fine, color would be nice but not nice enough to pay for. 2018-01-05T02:22:51 < sync> yeah get an old laserjet 2018-01-05T02:22:58 < sync> shit works fine 2018-01-05T02:23:13 < sync> but yeah fuck inkjet 2018-01-05T02:24:11 < sync> resin transfer thermoprinting is 10/10 would print again 2018-01-05T02:24:41 < upgrdman> is the price 10/10 would bankrupt again? 2018-01-05T02:24:48 < sync> that depends 2018-01-05T02:24:56 < sync> I bought a zebra zm400 on ebay for like 250€ 2018-01-05T02:25:04 < sync> and ~150€ in supplies 2018-01-05T02:25:14 < sync> and I can print over 10k labels in various sizes 2018-01-05T02:25:23 < sync> direct thermo is cheap as shit but also does not last 2018-01-05T02:25:42 < sync> transfer thermo is quite spendy if you buy small lots of the labels 2018-01-05T02:25:48 < aandrew> I don't mind inkjet 2018-01-05T02:25:49 < sync> the transfer tape is also quite cheap 2018-01-05T02:31:31 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/d61ab14322/73277.png 2018-01-05T02:31:36 < Laurenceb_> st gyros are a lie 2018-01-05T02:32:17 < Laurenceb_> accel is truth tho https://imgoat.com/uploads/d61ab14322/73278.png 2018-01-05T02:32:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T02:33:25 < Laurenceb_> some of my devices are ok 2018-01-05T02:33:43 < Laurenceb_> but lots of the gyros are way off datasheet noise spec 2018-01-05T02:34:27 < sync> maybe you need custom selected hardware 2018-01-05T02:34:53 < Laurenceb_> >device meets datasheet if you do your own binning 2018-01-05T02:35:08 < sync> is st guaranteeing the gyro spec in the datasheet? 2018-01-05T02:36:04 < Laurenceb_> hmm iirc they say "typical" 2018-01-05T02:36:10 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, could this be related to reflow 2018-01-05T02:36:13 < upgrdman> or psu noise 2018-01-05T02:36:21 < Laurenceb_> I guess 2018-01-05T02:36:32 < Laurenceb_> might explain why some devices are almost ok 2018-01-05T02:37:14 < upgrdman> or mechanical stress from the pcb 2018-01-05T02:37:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-05T02:37:31 < upgrdman> i wonder if soldering magnet wire to the pads and testing it that would would make a dramatic diff 2018-01-05T02:37:46 < Laurenceb_> I see those high frequency spikes on every device, but arguably they dont violate the datasheet spec 2018-01-05T02:37:50 < Laurenceb_> as they are out of band 2018-01-05T02:38:25 < Laurenceb_> but at <~300hz the noise floor is still too high 2018-01-05T02:38:33 < upgrdman> maybe fixture a pcb so it controllably flexs the board and see how much noise changes 2018-01-05T02:38:38 < Laurenceb_> and no obvious resonance effects going on there 2018-01-05T02:39:30 < upgrdman> or nig rig it. tpyical 4 mounting hole design? secure 3 normally, and suspend half a kilo from hole #4 2018-01-05T02:39:38 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/d61ab14322/73281.png 2018-01-05T02:39:44 < Laurenceb_> ^more or less ok device 2018-01-05T02:40:13 < upgrdman> i bet stm has fap notes about this stuff 2018-01-05T02:41:15 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: did you damage them while soldering them perhaps? 2018-01-05T02:43:03 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: they were all reflowed on the same panel 2018-01-05T02:43:13 < Laurenceb_> so it's hard to see how soldering could differ that much 2018-01-05T02:44:34 < srk> 'We delved intothe arcane argot of engineering magazines, scratched our heads, swapped schematics,drank another beer, and cobbled together homemade circuits—most of them eccentricand sloppy enough to give a “real” engineer dyspepsia.' 2018-01-05T02:45:01 < Laurenceb_> are u reading buzzfeed again? 2018-01-05T02:45:14 < srk> what, I don't read such shit 2018-01-05T02:45:21 < srk> Nicolas Collins: Handmade Electronic Music :D 2018-01-05T02:45:44 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, still panelized? would be curious if, say, the top-left ones were consistantly fucked. and if depanelized, i wonder if that caused enough stress to be a problem 2018-01-05T02:46:01 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2018-01-05T02:46:09 < Laurenceb_> doh I didnt make a note of panel positions 2018-01-05T02:46:18 < Laurenceb_> they are all in enclosures now 2018-01-05T02:47:24 < Steffanx> And reflowed.. by hand or real proper oven stuff? 2018-01-05T02:47:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T02:48:59 < Steffanx> I remember Laurenceb_ mentioning doing stuff by hand. 2018-01-05T02:49:07 < Laurenceb_> with a propane torch of course 2018-01-05T02:50:07 < Steffanx> With hot air.. 2018-01-05T02:50:37 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-05T02:50:49 < Steffanx> But obviously you are so hot, you can solder by just a finger touch 2018-01-05T02:51:24 < Laurenceb_> did you think it was something I thought? You recursive metatroll! 2018-01-05T02:53:59 < Steffanx> It was a serious question. The first one. As doing the proper reflow temp profile is pretty damn hard, by hand with some rework hot air station thingy. 2018-01-05T02:54:38 < Steffanx> And your last question does not parse. 2018-01-05T02:57:25 < Laurenceb_> yeah I tried to approximate a rough profile with hot air and a large tool 2018-01-05T02:57:42 < Laurenceb_> so I was doing about 8 boards at once using some foil to guide the air 2018-01-05T02:57:54 < Laurenceb_> it might be some attempts were off, but not my much... 2018-01-05T02:59:49 < Steffanx> Are they such cheapskates there that they wont even invest a few britpounds on a proper oven and stuff? 2018-01-05T03:00:11 < Laurenceb_> correct 2018-01-05T03:00:19 < Laurenceb_> but we have 4M in funding 2018-01-05T03:00:32 < Steffanx> Its all public money.. 2018-01-05T03:00:44 < Laurenceb_> correct 2018-01-05T03:00:49 < Steffanx> Hah. 2018-01-05T03:01:01 < Laurenceb_> some of it is EU money tho 2018-01-05T03:01:07 < Laurenceb_> stealing ur taxes too 2018-01-05T03:01:09 < Steffanx> Brits are going dutch 2018-01-05T03:02:38 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42574419 2018-01-05T03:02:44 < Laurenceb_> >The Trump team was shocked and horrified by his election win 2018-01-05T03:02:46 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2018-01-05T03:02:55 < Laurenceb_> when u troll urself too hard 2018-01-05T03:04:58 < Laurenceb_> he should have just said "it was just a prank bro" at the refrigeration 2018-01-05T03:07:21 < Steffanx> I wouldnt be surprised when that not even a lie 2018-01-05T03:07:38 < Laurenceb_> stupid autocorrect 2018-01-05T03:08:14 < Steffanx> Thats* 2018-01-05T03:10:17 < Laurenceb_> refrigeration 2018-01-05T03:10:38 < Laurenceb_> when u become president and autocorrected 2018-01-05T03:26:34 < aandrew> have any of you used bit banding for anything other than just to play with it? 2018-01-05T03:29:35 < srk> looking at this VLDF amplifier and wondering if it would work with 192khz adc as well https://sites.google.com/site/radioastronomydm2/_/rsrc/1468885455934/sids/vlf-receivers-for-sids/low%20noise%20amp.JPG 2018-01-05T03:29:54 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-05T03:30:10 < srk> it depends on opamp bandwidth? 2018-01-05T03:38:52 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T03:39:25 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-05T03:46:46 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:2956:b9d4:f21d:d273] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T03:49:07 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T03:56:30 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/948964802004647937 2018-01-05T03:56:36 < Laurenceb_> I cant even right now 2018-01-05T03:58:31 < Laurenceb_> Trump says "Jump", Alex Jones says "how high?" 2018-01-05T04:01:26 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T04:02:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T04:05:44 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-05T04:10:08 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-05T04:20:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-05T04:26:42 < Laurenceb_> I am raping feminine nature with the science penis 2018-01-05T04:30:22 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T04:32:04 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-05T04:32:21 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T04:36:08 < Laurenceb_> kekking tbh 2018-01-05T04:36:48 < Laurenceb_> I will never use science rape to make nature pregnant with fact babies 2018-01-05T04:36:54 < Laurenceb_> feels bad man 2018-01-05T04:37:46 < Laurenceb_> Posting my all-time favourite /pol/ quotes 2018-01-05T04:37:53 < Laurenceb_> >STEVE BANNON IS A KIKE SHILL 2018-01-05T04:38:06 < Laurenceb_> >IRAN IS A MUSLIM COUNTRY. IF YOU ARE AGAINST REGIME CHANGE YOU LOVE MUSLIMS 2018-01-05T04:38:31 < Laurenceb_> >SO WHAT IF TRUMP GOT ELECTED ON BANNON PLATFORM? 2018-01-05T04:41:05 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/FCxW77Z 2018-01-05T04:41:14 < Laurenceb_> which one are you? 2018-01-05T04:41:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T04:42:29 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T04:44:03 < stvn> hi 2018-01-05T04:47:07 < stvn> quiet 2018-01-05T04:47:24 < Laurenceb_> stvn: which one are you? https://imgur.com/FCxW77Z 2018-01-05T04:48:04 < stvn> i wasn't there man 2018-01-05T04:48:28 < Laurenceb_> ^too pale for /pol/ 2018-01-05T04:49:02 < stvn> how is 4chan? 2018-01-05T04:50:45 < Laurenceb_> I got b& for dead kitten posting again 2018-01-05T04:50:51 < stvn> ok 2018-01-05T04:51:02 < stvn> now why would you do that? 2018-01-05T04:53:47 < Laurenceb_> its the channer kryptonite 2018-01-05T04:53:50 < Laurenceb_> to triggers them 2018-01-05T04:54:01 < stvn> but what about the poor cats? 2018-01-05T04:54:06 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/ADj3qq6 2018-01-05T04:54:20 < Laurenceb_> ^ I hate cats 2018-01-05T04:54:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-05T04:55:46 < stvn> i shouldn't click that right? 2018-01-05T05:04:18 < stvn> help 2018-01-05T05:04:46 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-05T05:16:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T05:31:21 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T05:31:53 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T06:04:06 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/hCI9Owt.gifv 2018-01-05T06:14:38 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:2956:b9d4:f21d:d273] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-05T06:22:32 -!- EntropyWizard [~entwiz@73.31.123.0] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T06:29:26 -!- dekar [~dekar@c-73-189-79-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T06:35:02 < srk> 'I make all my own PCBs by hand, and I draw them in Excel. I can go from a schematic to a layout to a etched and drilled board to a complete working prototype in one evening (and I do, quite often). 2018-01-05T06:35:06 < srk> ' 2018-01-05T06:35:08 < srk> what. 2018-01-05T06:38:22 -!- dekar [~dekar@c-73-189-79-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-05T06:43:32 < englishman> nice 2018-01-05T06:43:37 < englishman> clearly very pro 2018-01-05T06:43:53 < srk> yeah, almost ##stm32 level 2018-01-05T06:51:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@c-73-189-79-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T06:52:40 < dongs> sounds like some kinda stoner 2018-01-05T06:52:47 < dongs> englishman: ur shit is here 2018-01-05T06:52:51 < dongs> so far pretty easy 2018-01-05T06:53:00 < dongs> monday: jap public holiday 2018-01-05T06:56:59 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T06:59:35 < dongs> yes 2018-01-05T07:09:09 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit 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2018-01-05T08:25:30 < MrMobius> digikey has the fram I need and mouser has the buttons I need 2018-01-05T08:25:31 < MrMobius> what to do 2018-01-05T08:26:07 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T08:29:11 < kakimir> R2COM, best music videow 2018-01-05T08:37:44 -!- kakimir [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T08:41:09 < dongs> it wasnt funny the first time you linked this few yeras ago 2018-01-05T08:46:16 < MrMobius> at least its not goddamned ukrainians 2018-01-05T09:03:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-1eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T09:13:24 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has quit [Quit: reboat] 2018-01-05T09:14:22 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T09:17:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-05T09:26:18 -!- |kOStiX| 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has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-05T09:38:16 < dongs> http://www.linkwork.com.cn/top3.asp?xh=368&view=ok 2018-01-05T09:38:20 < dongs> wow thats some fucking weird connectors 2018-01-05T09:39:12 < MrMobius> R2COM, you sound like yoda 2018-01-05T09:41:37 < MrMobius> you dont want to know which shitty ukrainian I know? 2018-01-05T09:44:06 < MrMobius> I dont give a shit about that 2018-01-05T09:45:04 < MrMobius> that kind of thing doesnt make the guy less of a shit 2018-01-05T09:46:31 < MrMobius> lol 2018-01-05T09:46:36 < dongs> haha 2018-01-05T09:46:58 < dongs> R2COM actually made a funny 2018-01-05T09:49:18 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T09:49:58 < stvn> lol 2018-01-05T09:50:03 < stvn> depends on who it is 2018-01-05T09:50:15 < stvn> idk 2018-01-05T09:51:02 < stvn> linux 2018-01-05T09:51:21 < dongs> i tried to install a lunix in VM like 2 days ago 2018-01-05T09:51:29 < dongs> went through all the shit 2018-01-05T09:51:33 < dongs> it saisd OK done 2018-01-05T09:51:36 < dongs> rebooted 2018-01-05T09:51:39 < dongs> and it fails to boot 2018-01-05T09:51:47 < dongs> tried it again same steps 2018-01-05T09:51:48 < dongs> works this time 2018-01-05T09:52:10 < dongs> lunix for niggers added something called "apparmor" that apparently requires shitmysql and cannot be removed 2018-01-05T09:52:14 < dongs> so i deleted it 2018-01-05T09:52:27 < dongs> that was the end of my lunix experiements in 2018 2018-01-05T09:52:48 < dongs> how can any one use this shit is fucking mind boggling 2018-01-05T09:52:50 < dongs> no 2018-01-05T09:52:52 < dongs> its even worse 2018-01-05T09:53:02 < dongs> paid version means its always out of date (even more so than normal lunix) 2018-01-05T09:53:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-1eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-05T09:53:22 < dongs> and you're basically paying a bunch of unshaven faggots to suck each others cocks in a shitty office somewhere in shittycoon valley 24/7 2018-01-05T09:53:25 < dongs> no 2018-01-05T09:53:31 < stvn> lol 2018-01-05T09:53:38 -!- jadew` [~razvan@5-12-158-28.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T09:53:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T09:54:46 < qyx> dongs: have you ever considered spreading love around you, smiling at people, etc 2018-01-05T09:54:55 < dongs> qyx, I do 2018-01-05T09:54:55 < qyx> once, at least 2018-01-05T09:55:00 < dongs> as long as they'er not using lunix while im smiling at them 2018-01-05T09:55:08 < qyx> :( 2018-01-05T09:55:15 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-158-28.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-05T09:56:26 < dongs> qyx, i mean, 2018 and lunix shit is still beyond worthless 2018-01-05T09:56:37 < dongs> enabling SSL on IIS: 5 minute job including getting the certs 2018-01-05T09:56:48 < dongs> enabling SSL on lunix: 5 days if youre lucky trying to sort through nonworking garbage 2018-01-05T09:56:52 < dongs> and this is not even desktop shit 2018-01-05T09:57:00 < dongs> this is "serveR" shit that "lunix" is supposed to be "good" at 2018-01-05T09:57:26 < qyx> it would be the other way around for me 2018-01-05T09:58:34 < qyx> of course, thats the point 2018-01-05T09:58:41 < dongs> why the shit are there SIX "desktop environments" when you install a lunix 2018-01-05T09:58:41 < qyx> use whatever you know how to use 2018-01-05T09:58:43 < dongs> thats fucking ridiculous 2018-01-05T09:58:59 < dongs> like why would i want GNOME or MATE or KFUCK or XFCE or wahtever tHe FUCk 2018-01-05T09:59:02 < dongs> how would a normal person even know 2018-01-05T09:59:03 < dongs> imagine 2018-01-05T09:59:05 < dongs> if you booted windows 10 2018-01-05T09:59:07 < qyx> idk, I am using only one 2018-01-05T09:59:14 < qyx> and don't know how to use the others 2018-01-05T09:59:21 < dongs> why do the others exist then 2018-01-05T09:59:23 < dongs> this is hte problerm 2018-01-05T09:59:29 < dongs> whyt is there effort being made to maintain shit nobody uses 2018-01-05T09:59:37 < dongs> whyt hte fuck all this spreading of effort/developers/etc 2018-01-05T09:59:44 < dongs> each faggot working on some retarded shit only they use 2018-01-05T09:59:46 < dongs> that nobody else wants 2018-01-05T10:00:00 < MrMobius> they are just passionate about it dongs 2018-01-05T10:00:03 < dongs> 'no 2018-01-05T10:00:09 < dongs> shit is retarded 2018-01-05T10:00:43 < MrMobius> you can be passionate about retarded shit 2018-01-05T10:01:04 < dongs> yeah it makes no fucking sense 2018-01-05T10:02:39 < dongs> looks like tanner got bought by mental graphics 2018-01-05T10:06:31 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-05T10:07:22 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T10:07:25 < dongs> do you really need to ask>? 2018-01-05T10:07:29 < dongs> its complete fucking shit. 2018-01-05T10:07:48 < dongs> unusable file manager out of the box 2018-01-05T10:07:49 < dongs> no apps 2018-01-05T10:07:56 < dongs> the OS itself is shit 2018-01-05T10:07:59 < dongs> no EDA tools on macos 2018-01-05T10:08:08 < dongs> "finder" is a complete fucking abortion of a file manager 2018-01-05T10:08:23 < dongs> also, completely unusable from keyboard 2018-01-05T10:08:29 < dongs> you gotta fucking click click click click anywhere on amcfag 2018-01-05T10:08:44 < dongs> dialogs rarely have tab key navigation 2018-01-05T10:08:45 < dongs> etc 2018-01-05T10:08:55 < |kOStiX|> i think its more like artist oriented 2018-01-05T10:09:04 < dongs> no im pretty sure its more like FAGGOT oriented 2018-01-05T10:09:10 < |kOStiX|> hahah 2018-01-05T10:09:23 < |kOStiX|> i've used msdos and windows forever 2018-01-05T10:12:29 < dongs> gross. 2018-01-05T10:13:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T10:15:39 < stvn> . 2018-01-05T10:26:35 -!- oz4ga 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error number and crashes 2018-01-05T10:51:29 < MrMobius> and its a preprocessor thing I need to compile this M0 code 2018-01-05T10:51:47 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T10:54:29 < stvn> fucking linux 2018-01-05T11:14:35 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-05T11:16:00 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T11:17:58 < dongs> 2017 saw Ubuntu abandon the Unity desktop and come back to the GNOME fold, which means that Linux Mint is now the most popular distro that doesn't ship with GNOME. Mind you, Linux Mint doesn't just not ship GNOME by default, it doesn't ship a GNOME version at all. That doesn't just make it unique, but also more important than ever. 2018-01-05T11:18:04 < dongs> haha 2018-01-05T11:18:06 < dongs> what a joke 2018-01-05T11:18:14 < dongs> why would not shipping $LunixpieceofshitX make something more important 2018-01-05T11:19:09 < dongs> does it even matter 2018-01-05T11:19:44 < qyx> debian has gnome 2018-01-05T11:19:57 < qyx> wat 2018-01-05T11:19:58 < dongs> yes it fucking does you faggot 2018-01-05T11:20:03 < dongs> i tried installing that tarsh 2018-01-05T11:20:08 < dongs> and it gave me a list of like 20 shits 2018-01-05T11:20:11 < dongs> none of which I knew 2018-01-05T11:20:14 < dongs> so I unchecked htem all 2018-01-05T11:20:16 < dongs> GNOME shit was on the list 2018-01-05T11:20:29 < qyx> I also uncheck them all 2018-01-05T11:20:38 < dongs> after i deleted niggerlinux because of apparmor 2018-01-05T11:20:40 < qyx> million megabytes of trash 2018-01-05T11:20:50 < dongs> but tehn I deleted debian too because just compelte fucking aids 2018-01-05T11:29:24 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T11:29:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T11:29:42 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2018-01-05T11:30:48 < dongs> maybe it's time to re-consider server-side inefficiency. that is, instead of bloating your server side with massive libraries consisting of scripted and interpreted lingos (say 'Python' and 'Javascript'), to INSTEAD go with C language utilities and CGI-based things for otherwise CPU-intensive processes. 2018-01-05T11:30:54 < dongs> haha 2018-01-05T11:33:24 < qyx> must be kidding writing webs in c 2018-01-05T11:34:30 < dongs> the efficiency goes to the moon 2018-01-05T11:34:38 < dongs> instead of this bullshit interpreted garbage 2018-01-05T11:43:21 < karlp> yeah, some people we work with do test tools and string parsing and reporting, all in C. 2018-01-05T11:43:33 < karlp> the fuck for I asked? "it's more performant" 2018-01-05T11:43:42 < karlp> fucking shit is interactive 2018-01-05T11:44:18 < zyp> the git browser thing I'm running is some C CGI shit 2018-01-05T11:45:41 < karlp> aandrew: you only just discovered the "nops can be killed" ? we've been trying to tell people you can't do nop delays here for years :) 2018-01-05T11:51:02 < karlp> zyp: yeah, and it's dumb, and it's why it hasn't changed since it came out. 2018-01-05T11:51:26 < qyx> cgit? 2018-01-05T11:51:28 < zyp> works pretty well though 2018-01-05T11:51:29 < zyp> yes 2018-01-05T11:52:25 < karlp> still doesn't mean writing webapps in C is a good idea. 2018-01-05T11:52:43 < zyp> true :) 2018-01-05T11:55:46 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T11:59:26 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2018-01-05T11:59:28 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T12:01:20 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@50.37.247.66] has quit [Quit: REALITY.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q)] 2018-01-05T12:01:52 < Steffanx> Im surprised dongs didnt mention the web language of web languages: php 2018-01-05T12:14:21 < srk> http://i.imgur.com/INBvStO.png 2018-01-05T12:32:41 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T12:34:22 < Steffanx> superbia: your dogs aint here 2018-01-05T12:59:34 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has quit [Quit: reconfigu] 2018-01-05T13:05:24 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T13:16:40 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-05T13:23:23 -!- |kOStiX| [kOStiX@189.130.197.48] has quit [] 2018-01-05T13:26:05 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T13:40:06 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:c431:5343:d4b3:8866] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T13:45:45 < Cracki_> well I've seen people do web dev with all kinds of ridiculous languages. assembly, with suitable rape of preprocessor macros and whatnot, could approximate a halfway usable environment 2018-01-05T13:52:53 < Steffanx> Sometimes "because i can" is a good reason to do BrainDamaged things like that, Cracki_ 2018-01-05T13:53:05 < Cracki_> indeed 2018-01-05T14:00:03 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-05T14:12:56 < BrainDamage> stop trying to Steffanx sentences 2018-01-05T14:14:03 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has left ##stm32 ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 2018-01-05T14:50:30 -!- kaa [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T14:51:31 -!- zz_ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-05T14:54:07 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-6df031-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-05T15:27:23 < Steffanx> Blame Ultrasauce BrainDamage. He introduced a definition for "to BrainDamage " 2018-01-05T15:30:22 < Steffanx> Need a doctor, superbia1 ? 2018-01-05T15:31:14 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@unaffiliated/superbia] by ChanServ 2018-01-05T15:31:14 < Steffanx> Yw 2018-01-05T15:33:11 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: you can't verb nouns like that 2018-01-05T15:34:23 < Steffanx> I see Ultrasauce as an authority when it comes to english. When he says something like he did yesterday, i consider it true. 2018-01-05T15:35:56 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@unaffiliated/superbia] by ChanServ 2018-01-05T15:36:29 < Steffanx> As the truth* or whatever 2018-01-05T15:43:40 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T15:46:34 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T15:47:16 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-149-252.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T15:47:20 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T15:48:16 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 2018-01-05T15:49:52 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T15:50:51 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-149-252.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-05T16:05:45 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T16:30:43 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@50.37.247.66] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T16:43:02 < Laurenceb_> Mr Wolff said the president had "less credibility than perhaps anybody who has ever walked on Earth at this point". 2018-01-05T16:43:04 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2018-01-05T16:46:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T16:59:23 < Laurenceb_> Steve Bannon vowed to destroy Trump for the New World Order 2018-01-05T16:59:52 < Laurenceb_> this is the gift that keeps on giving 2018-01-05T17:04:43 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-05T17:05:48 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T17:07:24 < jadew`> silly formulas with terms that don't account for anything 2018-01-05T17:07:38 < jadew`> I'm off by 3 orders of magnitude on a value and it still yields the correct result 2018-01-05T17:09:52 < sync> maybe you had to put meters in there somewhere 2018-01-05T17:12:29 -!- kow_ [~ow@95.213.203.185] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T17:15:14 < aandrew> karlp: do you knwo the last time I've had to microoptimize using nops? hint: it was back in my early PIC days 2018-01-05T17:16:03 -!- kow__ [~ow@212.227.202.73] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T17:19:27 -!- kow_ [~ow@95.213.203.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T17:24:15 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@79.136.90.120] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T17:25:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-05T17:27:01 < aandrew> yeah someone find a pdf or epub of that book 2018-01-05T17:27:04 < aandrew> outta be good 2018-01-05T17:27:51 -!- sterna1 is now known as sternsa 2018-01-05T17:27:58 -!- sternsa is now known as sterna 2018-01-05T17:29:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T17:40:21 < kaa> how to freecad this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zNuJiaFvJJT_cUYBpIxgljSrqFao3oRi/view?usp=sharing 2018-01-05T17:42:04 < englishman> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/5RRizH0.jpg 2018-01-05T17:42:04 < kaa> me go> 2018-01-05T17:43:48 -!- kaa [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T17:55:11 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T17:59:09 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T17:59:19 -!- SolderBlob_ [~randomUse@095-097-091-123.static.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T18:00:08 < Timmy> what's the difference between this channel and #stm32? the other one requires invitation 2018-01-05T18:00:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:03:18 < emeb> this channel is the best channel 2018-01-05T18:15:26 < aandrew> heh there's an #stm32? 2018-01-05T18:16:19 < karlp> used to be basically just a blocked reservation 2018-01-05T18:16:37 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:22:06 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:22:50 -!- kow_ [~ow@163.172.37.240] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:26:05 -!- kow__ [~ow@212.227.202.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-05T18:26:32 < fest> are there resources/publications on effects of PCB thermal expansion on MEMS accelerometers/gyros? 2018-01-05T18:26:45 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-05T18:27:42 -!- kow__ [~Ensign@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:27:49 < fest> I'm seeing a lot larger temperature(?) effect on accelerometer readings than I should 2018-01-05T18:28:14 -!- kow_ [~ow@163.172.37.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-05T18:29:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-05T18:30:09 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:32:31 < qyx> idk but I can show you layout of a board experiencing amazing piezoelectric effects 2018-01-05T18:32:37 < qyx> it sings when illuminated by the sun 2018-01-05T18:32:57 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:35:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:40:18 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:42:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T18:43:13 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T18:43:50 < fest> singing caps? 2018-01-05T18:46:40 < Thorn> Deutchmusics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvsyamoEDg 2018-01-05T18:47:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T18:48:42 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:49:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:51:34 < qyx> yes, dc-dc converters operating in a pulse-skipping/burst or similar mode cause audible sound coming from mlcc capacitors 2018-01-05T18:51:52 < qyx> they are bending the pcb 2018-01-05T18:57:36 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T18:59:15 < englishman> Timmy: due to retarded freenode rules only ##stm32 is allowed to exist. i believe #stm32 has a redirect to here 2018-01-05T19:00:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T19:01:06 < BrainDamage> # is reserved for freenode recognised projects, essentially some high brass in st would have to step in to register #stm32 2018-01-05T19:02:30 < englishman> and they would have to have some opensores project named stm32 2018-01-05T19:02:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:02:52 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:03:38 < BrainDamage> yes and no, the folks in #highaltitude are not an opensores project named highaltitude, but they do host a few projects 2018-01-05T19:03:52 < BrainDamage> it can be the name of an organization, a family of software, etc 2018-01-05T19:04:26 < englishman> mmm 2018-01-05T19:05:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@79.136.90.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-05T19:05:33 < BrainDamage> but you need to be able to claim ownership to have #, think of it as freenode's equivalent of twitter validation 2018-01-05T19:05:47 < BrainDamage> and as much meaningful 2018-01-05T19:07:17 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-05T19:07:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T19:08:32 < Cracki_> Thorn, Teutoburger Wald! thought I'd recognize the place 2018-01-05T19:09:29 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:10:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:19:48 < Steffanx> Timmy: #stm32 should redirect you to this one. No longer does that? 2018-01-05T19:20:19 < Steffanx> #stm32 is the original channel. Then we moved to ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:20:46 < Steffanx> Because there was this issue with # for official channels and ## for non-official 2018-01-05T19:21:57 < Steffanx> But that was already said :P 2018-01-05T19:22:39 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T19:27:06 < englishman> good evening steffy 2018-01-05T19:27:17 < Steffanx> Welcome englishman 2018-01-05T19:28:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:30:35 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2018-01-05T19:31:29 -!- Blablabla [524834a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.72.52.160] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:32:11 -!- Blablabla [524834a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.72.52.160] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-05T19:32:19 <@Steffanx> Fixed it for you Timmy. 2018-01-05T19:32:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2018-01-05T19:41:57 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-05T19:42:35 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T19:46:11 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T19:56:05 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:e150:6f4e:f2e5:a853] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T20:06:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-05T20:09:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T20:11:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@67.185.142.255] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T20:14:39 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T20:25:50 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T20:37:07 < upgrdman> on android, is there any way to turn off the cell modem other than airplane mode? i just want wifi, nothing else :/ 2018-01-05T20:37:28 < zyp> just turn on airplane mode, then turn on wifi 2018-01-05T20:37:31 < aandrew> is it not possible to turn on airplane mode then enable wifi on android? that's what I do on ios 2018-01-05T20:37:38 < upgrdman> o hmm 2018-01-05T20:37:38 < zyp> yes, it is possible 2018-01-05T20:38:01 < upgrdman> o shit it is possible. lol 2018-01-05T20:38:03 < zyp> turning on airplane mode disables wifi, but you can enable wifi again without turning off airplane mode 2018-01-05T20:38:09 < upgrdman> i thought airplane mode forced all RF off 2018-01-05T20:38:14 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-05T20:38:18 < BrainDamage> it does, but only once 2018-01-05T20:38:21 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-05T20:38:25 < upgrdman> TIL. nice. 2018-01-05T20:38:28 < Steffanx> What's the goal upgrdman? Why you want this? 2018-01-05T20:38:31 < aandrew> sometimes the simplest solution is the least obvious 2018-01-05T20:38:39 < upgrdman> Steffanx, im using an old phone as a 3d printer wifi webcam 2018-01-05T20:38:48 < upgrdman> works nicely with my nexus4 2018-01-05T20:38:55 < zyp> Steffanx, I do that when I'm flying on a plane with wifi 2018-01-05T20:39:13 < upgrdman> might even do a youtube video. much seo... 3d printing, wifi, web cam, diy ... 2018-01-05T20:39:36 < BrainDamage> is there an arduino? 2018-01-05T20:39:38 < branjb> upgrdman should have done DIY videos for your ikea desks 2018-01-05T20:40:10 < upgrdman> branjb, should have but it was my first try. i dont want to be one of those assholes that "teaches" you something he's never done before. i have SOME morals. not many, but some. 2018-01-05T20:40:24 < branjb> that's what video editing is for 2018-01-05T20:40:25 < branjb> haha 2018-01-05T20:40:36 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, good idea. i'll hot glue an arduino to the 3d printer 2018-01-05T20:40:54 < branjb> i bought https://www.digitalbuyer.com/tennsco-eb-2-3672m-hardwood-electronic-workbench-with-panel-legs-stringer-outlet-panel-72-w-x-36-d.html instead of fucking with trying to DIY 2018-01-05T20:40:56 < BrainDamage> glad to be of service 2018-01-05T20:42:00 < branjb> cost a bit but my time is stretched thin atm 2018-01-05T20:46:40 < englishman> Steffanx: this is really useful when going to usa so i dont get roaming charges even accidentally 2018-01-05T20:47:11 < Steffanx> Remove the simcard in that case :P 2018-01-05T20:47:17 < zyp> roaming charges? 2018-01-05T20:47:27 < zyp> just disable data roaming? 2018-01-05T20:47:33 < englishman> meh 2018-01-05T20:47:48 < Steffanx> It's too easy disable the airplane mode. 2018-01-05T20:47:51 < englishman> sometimes i pick up a simcard in usa steffy but its really expensive and they want ID and shit 2018-01-05T20:48:32 < englishman> its often cheaper to get a prepaid plan then you get an android phone for free. and can just clone the sim later 2018-01-05T20:48:32 < zyp> you don't have decent roaming deals there? 2018-01-05T20:48:36 < branjb> englishman you can get sims on craigslist really easily 2018-01-05T20:48:55 < Steffanx> I would still just disable data in this case. 2018-01-05T20:48:58 < zyp> IIRC I can go to USA with my norwegian subscription without paying out of my ass for roaming 2018-01-05T20:48:59 < englishman> zyp, i dont travel enough to look into it, data-only plans like i have now are hard enough to find 2018-01-05T20:49:12 < zyp> oh, data-only 2018-01-05T20:49:18 < zyp> is that useful? 2018-01-05T20:49:26 < englishman> its useful in that i dont pay for a service i dont use 2018-01-05T20:49:30 < englishman> ie, POTS phone 2018-01-05T20:49:54 < zyp> well, nobody uses it, so here it's basically free anyway 2018-01-05T20:50:30 < zyp> any phone plan you get has free unlimited calls/messages, they're just limited on data 2018-01-05T20:50:41 < englishman> yeah some 1st world countries like norway, romania, and lithuania have good services at decent prices 2018-01-05T20:50:50 < Steffanx> Here they just let you pay for it. Even when you dont use it 2018-01-05T20:51:14 < Steffanx> Like for any plan you pay for at least 100min/sms per month 2018-01-05T20:51:16 < englishman> then theres shit countries like usa, france, and canada that just give 0 fucks and have shit service and plans 2018-01-05T20:51:20 < zyp> I'm not norway is all that cheap though, IIRC neighboring countries are a lot cheaper 2018-01-05T20:51:29 < BrainDamage> i pay 7€/month for 20GB traffic, free calls and messages, can roam in whole eu for data, but roaming in us or canada costs me a fuckload 2018-01-05T20:51:34 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2018-01-05T20:51:40 < Steffanx> wut BrainDamage :O 2018-01-05T20:51:52 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T20:52:08 < zyp> my plan is 23€/month for 3GB of data 2018-01-05T20:52:10 < branjb> i have t-mobiles ancient plan, $30/month for 100 min, unlimited text, unlimited data 2018-01-05T20:52:16 < englishman> no provider here even offers anything more than 6gb 2018-01-05T20:52:42 < zyp> my plan is the second smallest I can get 2018-01-05T20:54:54 < zyp> for US roaming, I can get 1GB for €10 2018-01-05T20:54:55 < Steffanx> And that's 4G speeds BrainDamage? 2018-01-05T20:55:00 < BrainDamage> yes 2018-01-05T20:55:06 < Steffanx> damn. 2018-01-05T20:55:13 < BrainDamage> mobile is a huge industry here 2018-01-05T20:55:31 < BrainDamage> some people actually replaced their landlines connections with 4G 2018-01-05T20:55:40 < upgrdman> englishman, they id you in the usa when you buy a sim?? 2018-01-05T20:55:50 < upgrdman> i've bought sims before and they DGAF 2018-01-05T20:56:03 < branjb> upgrdman iirc it's recent laws that require it even for prepaid 2018-01-05T20:56:08 < BrainDamage> here they id you when you buy a sim eversince i was a kid 2018-01-05T20:56:10 < upgrdman> orly 2018-01-05T20:56:42 < BrainDamage> there's no such thing as a burner 2018-01-05T20:57:19 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, couldnt you just pay a bum to buy a sim for you? "i" 2018-01-05T20:57:21 < upgrdman> err 2018-01-05T20:57:36 < upgrdman> "i'll give you a pack of cigarettes if you buy me a sim" 2018-01-05T20:57:40 < Steffanx> or order them somewhere online where they dont give a shit about IDs 2018-01-05T20:57:41 < branjb> you can do that via craigslist, people resell prepaid sim cards there 2018-01-05T20:57:45 < Steffanx> other country. 2018-01-05T20:58:06 < Steffanx> except they can trace you by your payment. 2018-01-05T20:58:12 < upgrdman> cash? 2018-01-05T20:58:14 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: sure, altought it'd be weird 2018-01-05T20:58:49 < Steffanx> "Hey kid, buy me a simcard.. i'll get you beer". 2018-01-05T20:59:12 < Steffanx> Assuming a kid can buy simcard and no alcohol. 2018-01-05T20:59:26 < BrainDamage> hah, here's the opposite 2018-01-05T20:59:42 < BrainDamage> you'll hardly get carded if you buy alcohol, unless you look prepubescent 2018-01-05T20:59:54 < BrainDamage> also both have age limit of 18 2018-01-05T21:00:31 < branjb> here they ask "are you older than 30?" and if you say yes they don't ID you 2018-01-05T21:01:11 < BrainDamage> when i was a kid the age limit was 16 tought, we still managed to buy alcohol during school trips when we were 14 2018-01-05T21:03:16 < jpa-> i pay 6€ for 4GB, could pay 15€ for limitless 2018-01-05T21:03:45 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ckyjzcxrnftuvdtr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2018-01-05T21:06:20 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pbbqighwkilaxntb] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T21:09:03 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@unaffiliated/circuit] has quit [Quit: pokðt] 2018-01-05T21:19:09 < Rob235> why does drunk BrainDamage have to rip on me for rewriting a website once? :P 2018-01-05T21:20:09 < BrainDamage> 'once' 2018-01-05T21:20:15 < Rob235> yea, once 2018-01-05T21:20:28 < BrainDamage> recursively? 2018-01-05T21:20:45 < Rob235> it looked one way, I rewrote it and now it looks another way 2018-01-05T21:21:21 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-05T21:21:53 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T21:23:47 < qyx> regarding the internet plans 2018-01-05T21:24:06 < qyx> we had 5e/mo for 100GB of LTE when the network was in the testing phase 2018-01-05T21:24:10 < Laurenceb_> >Freemasons in England are forced to be secretive because they are discriminated against, said leader David Staples 2018-01-05T21:24:17 < Laurenceb_> current year intensifies 2018-01-05T21:24:24 < qyx> now it is 7e/mo 2018-01-05T21:34:11 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:e150:6f4e:f2e5:a853] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-05T21:40:48 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Ian_Miles_Cheong 2018-01-05T21:45:05 < BrainDamage> englishman: http://www.businessinsider.com/intel-ceo-krzanich-sold-shares-after-company-was-informed-of-chip-flaw-2018-1?IR=T womp womp 2018-01-05T21:47:11 < englishman> brainy i am sorry to rain on your parade but this has been posted in this chan like 3 times 2018-01-05T21:48:49 < BrainDamage> i missed the other 2 2018-01-05T21:49:12 < Steffanx> Better undrunk. 2018-01-05T21:49:32 < BrainDamage> i am perfectly sober now 2018-01-05T21:49:39 < Steffanx> as in keep being sober. 2018-01-05T21:50:25 < BrainDamage> then you'd need an ethyl meter to irc auth 2018-01-05T21:50:39 < englishman> an irc breathalyzer interlock 2018-01-05T21:51:03 < kow_> I bought circuit boards and 90% of the parcel was sugar #america https://photos.app.goo.gl/0m7LnANF2A2lgGnv2 2018-01-05T21:53:16 < Steffanx> oh, oshpark is back to candy 2018-01-05T21:55:50 < kow_> when the envelope costs more than the pack-in freebie, which costs more than the thing I ordered 2018-01-05T21:56:04 < kow_> why don't we have a chinese alternative to this :v 2018-01-05T22:01:51 < branjb> is that intel chip flaw thing real, ie, only fix is software at massive performance hit? 2018-01-05T22:03:09 < aandrew> yep 2018-01-05T22:03:34 < aandrew> now mind you it's tricky to make good use of but that is only a matter of time before it becomes easier to exploit 2018-01-05T22:03:42 < branjb> is it going to be forced via windows update? ie, do I need to perma disable windows update to not get a performance hit? 2018-01-05T22:03:52 < aandrew> yep 2018-01-05T22:03:56 < branjb> rip 2018-01-05T22:04:39 < branjb> did intel do it on purpose to force people to buy upgrades? been using the same i7 for almost 7 years now and it's still plenty fast 2018-01-05T22:07:50 < aandrew> no I don't think so 2018-01-05T22:07:59 < aandrew> and yes I have a 1st gen i7-950 I'm very very happy with 2018-01-05T22:08:54 < branjb> yeah 2018-01-05T22:09:41 < Steffanx> Unlikely Intel didnt do it on purpose, but i read that have been cutting down their test department quiet a bit the last x years... 2018-01-05T22:09:50 < Steffanx> *that they 2018-01-05T22:10:05 < branjb> "Unlikely Intel didnt do it on purpose" meaning that they did? 2018-01-05T22:10:14 < Steffanx> oh, did. Damnit. 2018-01-05T22:10:18 < branjb> ah 2018-01-05T22:10:46 < Steffanx> I shouldn't change my sentences/mind when i wrote half of the sentence :P 2018-01-05T22:11:07 < kow_> u should prolly upgrade tho, you will notice a difference moving from a 7 year old chip :v 2018-01-05T22:11:36 < englishman> the performance hit is dubious 2018-01-05T22:11:55 < branjb> i read one of the articles claiming 20-30% performance hit 2018-01-05T22:12:02 < englishman> amd shills 2018-01-05T22:12:06 < Steffanx> Sure kow_? Skylake/whatever lake aint THAT much of a step forward. 2018-01-05T22:12:21 < kow_> I wouldn't know, what are you running? 2018-01-05T22:12:40 < branjb> hasn't most of the processor upgrades been in power consumption? doesn't matter for desktop 2018-01-05T22:13:17 < kow_> there haven't been significant improvements in single thread performance from one gen to the next, but over 7 generations, you'll definitely notice 2018-01-05T22:14:44 < Steffanx> http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-950-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700/617vs3940 oh, that's more than i epxected, but i might be comparing the wrong semi-random cpus 2018-01-05T22:15:37 < kow__> i7-8700 is a great chip 2018-01-05T22:16:12 < branjb> i have i7-3770, hmm 2018-01-05T22:16:30 < kow__> but you really shouldn't compare multi core benchmarks 2018-01-05T22:16:38 < kow__> it's a ver unrealistic use case 2018-01-05T22:16:47 < kow__> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html 2018-01-05T22:17:12 < zyp> kow__, what's unrealistic about it? 2018-01-05T22:17:25 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2018-01-05T22:17:32 < kow__> because most of the time you're executing single threaded workloads 2018-01-05T22:17:46 < kow__> and even though benchmarks say you bought a better chip, you're seeing a slower chip 2018-01-05T22:17:54 < zyp> this is a programming channel, we're compiling a lot, compiling scales nicely on multiple cores 2018-01-05T22:18:06 < kow__> oh is this a programming channel 2018-01-05T22:18:19 < Steffanx> but altium still uses only 1 thread right? :P 2018-01-05T22:18:26 < branjb> i thought this was an altium channel 2018-01-05T22:18:49 < Steffanx> Speaking about Altium.. i missed my daily dose of altium rage. Where is dongs? 2018-01-05T22:18:52 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b496:c2a3:19d0:8eab] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T22:18:56 < zyp> dunno, I don't think altium is very cpu hungry 2018-01-05T22:20:54 < englishman> where can i get wholesale computer parts 2018-01-05T22:21:06 < englishman> like if i wanted 100+ ssds, ram etc 2018-01-05T22:21:08 < zyp> apparently I must have upset kow__, I just got a private message to «suck my dick» 2018-01-05T22:21:25 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b496:c2a3:19d0:8eab] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-05T22:22:15 < kow__> a lot of projects can make great use of multiple cores, but are still bottlenecked by single threaded tasks, you're still better off getting the fastest single threaded CPU, and distributing the stuff that can be distributed to your old 8 core i7s :3 2018-01-05T22:22:51 < Steffanx> lol zyp. 2018-01-05T22:23:03 < Steffanx> kow__, in ##stm32 we just suck each others dick in public. 2018-01-05T22:23:10 < Steffanx> just to let you know. 2018-01-05T22:23:27 < kow__> I would never do such a thing 2018-01-05T22:23:55 < aandrew> Steffanx: I read that about intel as well 2018-01-05T22:24:10 < Steffanx> it was posted here. Just dont remember who it was 2018-01-05T22:24:21 < aandrew> it came from up above that they weren't moving as quickly as ARM so they cut back on verification 2018-01-05T22:24:28 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T22:25:32 < aandrew> yeah altium is single thread still (I think 18 might be multithread?) 2018-01-05T22:26:17 < aandrew> my esxi system has dual L5520s; that's where I run altium from 2018-01-05T22:26:55 < aandrew> had to put a real GPU in the system and use vt-d to give it to the win7 VM but it works great over RDP 2018-01-05T22:27:19 < branjb> anyone found a good writeup on how the intel meltdown works? the most in depth one i could find just says it exploits branch prediction, but not how 2018-01-05T22:28:13 < Steffanx> read the papers? 2018-01-05T22:28:21 < Steffanx> They wrote papers about it 2018-01-05T22:28:24 < Steffanx> afaik 2018-01-05T22:29:23 < branjb> ah they did 2018-01-05T22:29:24 < branjb> thanks 2018-01-05T22:29:58 < Steffanx> https://meltdownattack.com/meltdown.pdf & https://spectreattack.com/spectre.pdf just for general link posting purposes. 2018-01-05T22:30:44 -!- KolK [~KolK@s0.kolodziej.it] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2018-01-05T22:30:50 < zyp> the exploit does something like validaddr[privilegedaddr[x]], and even if the privilegedaddr[x] load will fault, a validaddr[…] load will still be speculatively executed, and depending on whether it is in cache or not, vary measureably in timing, leaking contents from the privileged load 2018-01-05T22:31:21 < zyp> so it's a timing based side channel leakage 2018-01-05T22:31:38 < branjb> good summary 2018-01-05T22:31:43 < upgrdman> just learned about bookmarklets. i have this new power to automate web fuckery... so awesome 2018-01-05T22:31:58 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.53.118] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T22:32:02 < upgrdman> figured out how to record a timelapse of my wifi webcam by scripting a "click this element (a save image button) every 3000ms" 2018-01-05T22:32:05 -!- KolK [~KolK@s0.kolodziej.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T22:33:43 < zyp> upgrdman, you should probably consider looking at octoprint at some point 2018-01-05T22:34:12 < upgrdman> zyp, that the pi-as-camera-and-printer-controller thing? 2018-01-05T22:34:26 < branjb> octoprint is great 2018-01-05T22:34:33 < zyp> well, it's a software pack, but yes, you get a readymade rpi image with it 2018-01-05T22:34:34 < kow__> my best bookmarklet has to be this ebay one $('.prRange').parents('.lvresult').hide() 2018-01-05T22:34:36 < zyp> that's what I run 2018-01-05T22:34:59 < kow__> hides all auctions using the scammy multi-item listings 2018-01-05T22:35:16 < branjb> i don't use octoprint as a slicer, basically just a print server for 3d prints 2018-01-05T22:35:19 < Steffanx> must save. kow__ 2018-01-05T22:35:55 < upgrdman> is $() part of js now? i thought that was some lib 2018-01-05T22:36:03 < zyp> branjb, same 2018-01-05T22:36:03 < upgrdman> jqueer or whatever 2018-01-05T22:36:13 < kow__> jquery but ebay includes it 2018-01-05T22:36:13 < Steffanx> jquery. 2018-01-05T22:36:16 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-05T22:36:19 < upgrdman> ah 2018-01-05T22:36:22 < kow__> I turned it into a chrome extension :3 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ebay-hide-multi-item-list/bgegilppehhaigipadlnlekoldfiheaf?hl=en 2018-01-05T22:36:23 < zyp> branjb, I slice in slic3r and hit the «send to octoprint» button 2018-01-05T22:36:59 < branjb> i'm a simplify3d whore, afaik they don't have a send to octoprint feature 2018-01-05T22:37:15 < aandrew> just save the gcode and import it 2018-01-05T22:37:17 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T22:37:18 < englishman> s3d+octodongs here too 2018-01-05T22:37:19 < branjb> yeah 2018-01-05T22:37:22 < branjb> that's what i do 2018-01-05T22:37:22 < aandrew> that's pretty much all it is 2018-01-05T22:37:33 < englishman> saved directly to ragepberripi over network 2018-01-05T22:37:44 < branjb> oh, i should do that 2018-01-05T22:37:55 < englishman> then just refresh the list 2018-01-05T22:37:55 < branjb> i just upload via the octopi browser page 2018-01-05T22:37:59 < Steffanx> I was going to do some curl to octoprint posting. 2018-01-05T22:38:05 < Steffanx> s3d can do that 2018-01-05T22:47:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-05T22:47:34 < Steffanx> Damnit, do you nowadays get money for finding the largest (till now) prime number?! 2018-01-05T22:47:58 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T22:50:19 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-05T22:51:29 < zyp> Steffanx, well, you could go mine for riecoin 2018-01-05T22:52:15 < Steffanx> branjb: btw microsoft already released some patches yesterday. So you might have them already. 2018-01-05T22:52:37 < Steffanx> for windows 10 that is 2018-01-05T22:59:30 < Steffanx> https://www.techspot.com/article/1554-meltdown-flaw-cpu-performance-windows/ and the tests.. if performed properly, but it gives you an idea about the impact. 2018-01-05T22:59:48 < Steffanx> -but 2018-01-05T23:11:12 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T23:14:18 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-05T23:14:52 < upgrdman> using an old 20" lcd in portrait mode. wtf.... viewing angles are SHIT in portrait mode 2018-01-05T23:15:07 < zyp> TN panel 2018-01-05T23:15:13 < upgrdman> i'd expect that from most monitor BUT this one has a stand made for portrait or landscape 2018-01-05T23:15:16 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-05T23:15:27 < karlp> yeahh, hhalf those stands are just marketing features, not actually meant to be used 2018-01-05T23:15:44 < upgrdman> if i bought this monitor back in the day, i'd be pissed tho. why have a portrait mount if its HORRIBLE in portrait mode 2018-01-05T23:15:49 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-05T23:15:58 < zyp> TN panels can be decent enough from the sides, but usually bad from the top and even worse from the bottom 2018-01-05T23:17:10 < zyp> my first LCD was actually a 20" VA panel, I still use it as a secondary monitor in portrait mode 2018-01-05T23:17:29 < upgrdman> va is even worse then tn right? 2018-01-05T23:17:41 < sync> various artists? 2018-01-05T23:17:45 < zyp> no, VA is better 2018-01-05T23:17:49 < upgrdman> vert aligned iirc 2018-01-05T23:17:52 < zyp> TN < VA < IPS 2018-01-05T23:17:53 < upgrdman> o ok 2018-01-05T23:17:57 < PaulFertser> MVA/PVA are the subtypes of VA 2018-01-05T23:18:54 < upgrdman> i kinda wonder how aweful an ultrawide 21:9 would look in portrait mode 2018-01-05T23:18:58 < PaulFertser> I was really shocked seeing all the people buying those TN displays back in the days, any Sony Trinitron was 10x better, and cheaper at the same time. 2018-01-05T23:19:54 < upgrdman> so in windows, you can drag a window to the left or right to make it half the screen width. any way to enable drag-to-top-or-bottom for half the screen height? 2018-01-05T23:20:07 < zyp> I think that monitor is close to 12 years old now, still going great 2018-01-05T23:20:15 < upgrdman> looks like it can only divide the screen in quads or left/right. but not top/bottom 2018-01-05T23:20:25 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: haha, you'll get converted to tiling window managers if you continue that route, beware! 2018-01-05T23:20:35 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-05T23:21:12 < srk> xmonad ftw 2018-01-05T23:21:24 < PaulFertser> srk: I'm using xmonad on a smartphone 2018-01-05T23:21:35 < srk> :D cool 2018-01-05T23:21:39 < srk> PaulFertser: what phone? 2018-01-05T23:22:16 < Steffanx> afaik it cannot do that upgrdman 2018-01-05T23:22:56 < PaulFertser> srk: https://gitorious.org/xmonad-smartphone-config/xmonad-smartphone-config?p=xmonad-smartphone-config:xmonad-smartphone-config.git;a=blob;f=README.org;h=eb6e4270e233e33616456cec6c3f6365e8fc6abc;hb=HEAD 2018-01-05T23:22:57 < Steffanx> probably require some other tool for that 2018-01-05T23:24:54 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: https://www.nurgo-software.com/products/aquasnap this seems not too hardcore 2018-01-05T23:31:31 < upgrdman> neat 2018-01-05T23:33:47 < aandrew> PaulFertser: ah, I think this SAMD51 might be giving me pain because the DSU (device service unit) might be mis/unconfigured 2018-01-05T23:35:29 < Laurenceb_> SAM fun 2018-01-05T23:35:39 < Laurenceb_> sounds like the µC to avoid 2018-01-05T23:35:45 < aandrew> actually I'm kind of liking it 2018-01-05T23:35:51 < aandrew> it's difficult becasue it's new and complex 2018-01-05T23:35:55 < aandrew> but it's got a LOT of potential 2018-01-05T23:36:51 < PaulFertser> aandrew: are you not using openocd for that? https://sourceforge.net/p/openocd/mailman/message/36116081/ this might give some hints 2018-01-05T23:37:16 < Laurenceb_> what has it got that is better than stm32? 2018-01-05T23:38:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-05T23:41:09 < aandrew> hm "export the GPIOs" ? 2018-01-05T23:41:39 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: significantly cheaper 2018-01-05T23:41:49 < Laurenceb_> ah 2018-01-05T23:42:03 < PaulFertser> aandrew: the guy was using rpi's pins directly to drive swd. 2018-01-05T23:42:23 < aandrew> oh I see 2018-01-05T23:46:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.informationliberation.com/files/gorilla-channel-joke-tweet-header.jpg 2018-01-05T23:49:52 < englishman> wut 2018-01-05T23:50:18 < Laurenceb_> its true 2018-01-05T23:50:21 < Laurenceb_> its all true 2018-01-05T23:50:51 * Laurenceb_ grabs GNU-Radio and heads to White house with Rpi 2018-01-05T23:51:48 < branjb> i'd pay for a gorilla channel 2018-01-05T23:52:43 < branjb> also is that really in that book? 2018-01-05T23:54:00 < Laurenceb_> seriously... 2018-01-05T23:54:11 < Laurenceb_> u are too easily trolld 2018-01-05T23:55:12 < branjb> i mean, it seems like something your average drumpfphster would write/believe 2018-01-05T23:55:37 < branjb> i thought two scoops was a troll 2018-01-05T23:55:40 < branjb> turned out to be irl --- Day changed Sat Jan 06 2018 2018-01-06T00:01:19 < aandrew> fucking wifi 2018-01-06T00:02:17 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I can try openocd, using jaylink though. just use git master? 2018-01-06T00:03:09 < PaulFertser> aandrew: yes 2018-01-06T00:03:56 < aandrew> you're still hosting it on sf? wow you're a glutton for punishment 2018-01-06T00:05:04 < PaulFertser> aandrew: there're some reasons... 2018-01-06T00:05:39 < aandrew> is one of them because you've got a masochistic streak? :-) 2018-01-06T00:06:29 < PaulFertser> aandrew: no. And I'm not an OpenOCD maintainer anyway. 2018-01-06T00:10:20 < srk> PaulFertser: reasons for using sf? hard to imagine any 2018-01-06T00:10:23 < PaulFertser> aandrew: SF is so far reasonably reliable, provides mailing lists and ticket system, plus hosting space for HTML documentation. 2018-01-06T00:10:48 < PaulFertser> What would be the alternative with minimal migration path? 2018-01-06T00:10:57 < srk> github if you don't mind, or self hosted 2018-01-06T00:11:28 < srk> self hosted is easy, I've put together bunch of ansible roles for setting that up - pagure/cgit/gitolite mailman .. 2018-01-06T00:11:31 < PaulFertser> No, github doesn't provide hosting for HTML documentation. Self hosting is an option but it's more of a hassle. For like nothing. 2018-01-06T00:11:33 < srk> need to migrate that to nixos though 2018-01-06T00:11:36 < srk> it does 2018-01-06T00:11:39 < srk> github pages 2018-01-06T00:11:57 < PaulFertser> srk: when I took a look at that last time, it had some silly restrictions. 2018-01-06T00:12:26 < PaulFertser> srk: so I can't just rsync doxygen-generated directory there. 2018-01-06T00:12:39 < srk> hm, not sure. I prefer selfhosted stuff but also use github due to social stuff 2018-01-06T00:12:51 < PaulFertser> srk: self-hosting is additional maintenance burden. Why bother if SF does that for us? 2018-01-06T00:13:06 < srk> cause it's terrible /o\ 2018-01-06T00:13:18 < aandrew> I'd suggest github but no ML support 2018-01-06T00:13:18 < PaulFertser> srk: what exactly is terrible about it for our usecase? 2018-01-06T00:13:19 < srk> SFs download is a nightmare :D 2018-01-06T00:13:31 < srk> for yours, probably nothing 2018-01-06T00:14:13 < PaulFertser> srk: git clone works nicely. Direct links work nicely. Web browser downloads seem to be working too, just showing ads for few seconds. What's really bad about it? 2018-01-06T00:14:34 < srk> ads for few seconds especially :) 2018-01-06T00:14:54 < srk> I also don't like the look of the project landing pages 2018-01-06T00:14:59 < srk> too confusing.. 2018-01-06T00:15:00 < BrainDamage> sf's aesthetics and user interface are rather mediocre unless they changed in the past year 2018-01-06T00:15:21 < srk> but I understand that if you use git and ml you probably don't see that anyway 2018-01-06T00:15:33 < srk> me neither as I use distros 2018-01-06T00:15:45 < PaulFertser> But we do not really need SF user interface. Development happens with plain Git, patches are sent to self-hosted Gerrit, CI by Jenkins... 2018-01-06T00:15:54 < srk> but sometimes when I end up on that page and trying to find something /o\ 2018-01-06T00:16:24 < PaulFertser> The ticket system is a bit annoying but I find any web interface annoying anyway. 2018-01-06T00:16:30 < aandrew> PaulFertser: what is the atmel ice considered when using openocd --configure? 2018-01-06T00:16:45 < PaulFertser> aandrew: cmsis-dap 2018-01-06T00:16:46 < srk> PaulFertser: interesting ticket system was an offline one, but I can't remember the name 2018-01-06T00:16:50 < aandrew> PaulFertser: ok perfect 2018-01-06T00:16:54 < PaulFertser> aandrew: if you're talking about Atmel EDBG 2018-01-06T00:17:24 < aandrew> PaulFertser: the sf.net user experience is *awful*. bad downloads, the mailing list archives are ... yuck, the ticketing system is no good. it just feels like it was stuck in the late 90s (which it pretty much is) 2018-01-06T00:17:46 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I do hear you though and am not suggesting you switch because I know the pain that causes to already overworked and underappreciated OSS devs such as yourslef 2018-01-06T00:18:01 < PaulFertser> aandrew: I personally prefer web of 90s to the web of today. AJAX shit? Nothnx 2018-01-06T00:18:30 < srk> hehe, AJAX shit is just a tip of an iceberg 2018-01-06T00:18:36 < aandrew> I half agree with you on that :-) 2018-01-06T00:18:50 < srk> how about client side code highliting /o\ 2018-01-06T00:19:42 < srk> why not waste tons of resources to render the same thing on every users computer rather doing it once 2018-01-06T00:20:24 < aandrew> srk: because the server is a finite resource, I don't mind pushing compute intensive tasks to the people actually benefiting from it 2018-01-06T00:20:43 < srk> what? 2018-01-06T00:20:49 < srk> must be kidding me 2018-01-06T00:21:09 < aandrew> nope 2018-01-06T00:21:13 < aandrew> cached data, sure 2018-01-06T00:21:38 < aandrew> but when you can't do that, why put all that burden on the server you're accessing for free and that someone else has to pay to scale up? 2018-01-06T00:21:39 < srk> and isn't syntax hilight a good candidate for caching? 2018-01-06T00:21:51 < aandrew> they install ads, you install ad blockers... 2018-01-06T00:21:57 < srk> this is nice https://github.com/aaiyer/bugseverywhere 2018-01-06T00:22:00 < srk> of course I do 2018-01-06T00:22:03 < aandrew> nope, bcause everyone wants their own fucking themes 2018-01-06T00:22:08 < srk> I want to use the internet, not see ads 2018-01-06T00:22:10 < srk> everywhere 2018-01-06T00:22:20 < PaulFertser> srk: btw, github still doesn't support ipv6, and that's a real shame. bitbucket does btw. 2018-01-06T00:22:27 < srk> /o\ 2018-01-06T00:22:36 < aandrew> srk: but you also won't pay to support the server, so guess what, use your CPU to render your damn syntax highligting 2018-01-06T00:23:21 < zyp> I think aandrew has a fair point here 2018-01-06T00:23:57 < srk> you don't pay but you are not getting the service for free either 2018-01-06T00:24:06 < aandrew> I mean if there's ONE syntax highlight or perhaps all highlight is done via a set of CSS files and you select from that set, it's cacheable and very low impact 2018-01-06T00:24:12 < zyp> serving a webapp that runs in the browser and only accesses the server via a json api or something should be lighter on the server than doing the entire templating for every page load on the server 2018-01-06T00:24:15 < aandrew> but that's not what seems to happen 2018-01-06T00:24:50 < srk> zyp: yeah, json APIs are truly lightweight web stuff in most cases 2018-01-06T00:24:57 < srk> compared to static html 2018-01-06T00:25:00 < srk> :))) 2018-01-06T00:25:13 < zyp> and IMO decent webapps results in a better user experience too 2018-01-06T00:25:20 < srk> name one 2018-01-06T00:25:22 < srk> decet webapp 2018-01-06T00:25:26 < srk> n 2018-01-06T00:25:27 < srk> please 2018-01-06T00:25:27 < PaulFertser> All praise JS. And rowhammer.js 2018-01-06T00:26:54 < zyp> srk, most modern websites? 2018-01-06T00:27:24 < Laurenceb_> JS is the cancer of the internets 2018-01-06T00:27:31 < srk> zyp: so which one would be a good example of a webapp? 2018-01-06T00:27:37 < Laurenceb_> like why is chrome using most of the memory 2018-01-06T00:27:40 < srk> gmail? soundcloud? 2018-01-06T00:27:43 < zyp> gmail? 2018-01-06T00:27:44 < Laurenceb_> on my 128GB workstation 2018-01-06T00:27:47 < srk> ha ha :] 2018-01-06T00:28:01 < zyp> so you say 2018-01-06T00:28:01 < Laurenceb_> cancerscript 2018-01-06T00:28:02 * srk is using noscript 2018-01-06T00:28:09 < srk> and mpv for media :D 2018-01-06T00:28:46 < srk> zyp: read some stuff about gmail so you understand how hard is to pull off something complex like that 2018-01-06T00:28:59 < srk> which is still completely crappy compared to desktop apps :) 2018-01-06T00:29:07 < srk> as you cannot even right click most of the time :D 2018-01-06T00:29:11 < zyp> I'm not saying it's easy to pull off 2018-01-06T00:30:44 < zyp> well, uh, given the amount of touchscreens used nowadays, I'm not sure designing for right click is very useful anyway 2018-01-06T00:30:53 < srk> :D 2018-01-06T00:31:11 < srk> yeah, we should all abandon computers in favor is these entertainment devices 2018-01-06T00:31:58 < srk> like gnome-hell people, we didn't design this for touchscreens.. nooo, not at all :D 2018-01-06T00:32:21 < Steffanx> Like you want to right click. Do you even have a mouse srk? Dont real pros use nothing but the kb? 2018-01-06T00:32:26 < Steffanx> :P 2018-01-06T00:32:30 < zyp> so uh, I don't think this conversation will go anywhere useful, but what desktop mail client is better than gmail and how? 2018-01-06T00:32:31 < srk> idiots who think people need GUIs, touchscreens and animations to do *work* 2018-01-06T00:32:47 < PaulFertser> srk: (mpv) I had some config that showed youtube video names for a second in OSD but can't find it yet. 2018-01-06T00:32:54 < srk> zyp: thunderbird for example, cause you can right click for example :D 2018-01-06T00:32:59 < srk> and it support SMTP! 2018-01-06T00:33:11 < srk> so you don't have to use spying google stuff 2018-01-06T00:33:27 < zyp> I've used thunderbird and I'm so happy to be rid of it 2018-01-06T00:33:47 < srk> PaulFertser: hehe, no prob, trying that console youtube player atm 2018-01-06T00:34:20 < srk> zyp: I've got rid of gmail, and I'm so happy :) 2018-01-06T00:34:21 < Steffanx> Aren't many plugins for thunderbird written using javascript + xul? 2018-01-06T00:34:38 < srk> xul is dead anyway 2018-01-06T00:34:59 < srk> I want to switch to mutt soon 2018-01-06T00:35:04 < srk> and notmuch 2018-01-06T00:35:25 < zyp> the problem with thunderbird is that you have to install and sync it on every computer you want to read mail 2018-01-06T00:35:34 < PaulFertser> srk: mpv --osd-playing-msg='${media-title}' 2018-01-06T00:36:22 < zyp> I'm not a fan of having a lot of local state on one computer, it's just an inconvenience when I'm sitting at another 2018-01-06T00:36:24 < srk> cool 2018-01-06T00:36:24 < PaulFertser> zyp: sync configs? 2018-01-06T00:36:51 < Steffanx> So what you use nowadays zyp? Just gmail web? 2018-01-06T00:36:52 < srk> zyp: with IMAP you don't really have to, but you can't disable cache either 2018-01-06T00:36:55 < srk> iirc 2018-01-06T00:37:08 < PaulFertser> srk: aren't you using emacs? 2018-01-06T00:38:08 < srk> I was using gmail + offlineimap + local dovecot previously, also when I was working in Red Hat as the mailserver was too slow to fetch emails when reading long threads 2018-01-06T00:38:11 < zyp> Steffanx, yes 2018-01-06T00:38:11 < srk> PaulFertser: vim 2018-01-06T00:39:03 < zyp> Steffanx, privately I've used gmail since they launched the option to use it with your own domains 2018-01-06T00:39:04 < BrainDamage> i have a linux desktop running in my phone that i access with rdp and ssh as necessary, it's a bit concerning when i use $randommachine because of keyloggers, but considering i wouldn't use $randommachine to check my emails either it's ok 2018-01-06T00:39:17 < BrainDamage> and i have a consistent environment i can carry with me 2018-01-06T00:39:33 < zyp> Steffanx, professionally I'm also using gmail at work at my current and previous employer 2018-01-06T00:39:44 < zyp> before that, I used thunderbird 2018-01-06T00:41:34 < srk> I've left Red Hat when they started migration to GApps :) 2018-01-06T00:41:48 < zyp> shame 2018-01-06T00:41:53 < srk> pretty much 2018-01-06T00:42:13 < srk> there were other reasons, this one was a big one though 2018-01-06T00:43:06 < zyp> I'm pretty happy my current employer uses gapps, means I don't have to bullshit around with other mail shit 2018-01-06T00:43:20 < zyp> got enough other bullshit to deal with though 2018-01-06T00:44:11 < zyp> the thing that's been annoying me the most recently is the other shitty sync shit we're using (box.com) 2018-01-06T00:45:01 < zyp> for one, it creates a conflict every time somebody updates a file you have open, that you manually have to resolve 2018-01-06T00:46:50 < zyp> and one of my coworkers has his project folder in there, which means that there's a couple thousand files getting updated and synced all the time, and tracking updates apparently eats a ton of cpu 2018-01-06T00:47:43 < zyp> I've been tempted to turn off sync for that folder, but sometimes I need outputs from it, so that's not gonna work well either 2018-01-06T00:48:42 < aandrew> < BrainDamage> i have a linux desktop running in my phone that i access with rdp and ssh as necessary 2018-01-06T00:48:45 < aandrew> wow 2018-01-06T00:48:47 < aandrew> that's a new level of paranoia :-) 2018-01-06T00:49:11 < BrainDamage> why paranoia? 2018-01-06T00:49:19 < srk> hope it's not android :D 2018-01-06T00:49:21 < BrainDamage> it's about having a consistent environment, not security 2018-01-06T00:50:24 < aandrew> hm only at91 in the openocd cores 2018-01-06T00:50:25 < aandrew> er cpus 2018-01-06T00:50:44 < BrainDamage> i only have to setup a rdp connection/client and i have all my settings and programs i am familiar with 2018-01-06T00:50:48 < PaulFertser> aandrew: target/samd* 2018-01-06T00:51:00 < aandrew> I found https://sourceforge.net/p/openocd/mailman/message/36094172/ 2018-01-06T00:51:13 < PaulFertser> aandrew: target/at91samdXX.cfg 2018-01-06T00:52:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T00:55:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T00:55:34 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I think this might be too new: Error: Couldn't find part corresponding to DID 60060004 2018-01-06T01:00:26 < Steffanx> What kind of phone is that, that you run a lunix desktop BrainDamage? One of those open sores phones? 2018-01-06T01:01:11 < PaulFertser> aandrew: should be easy for you to add its flash, src/flash/nor/at91samd.c 2018-01-06T01:02:05 -!- Yoofie [~chatzilla@97.70.118.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-06T01:04:07 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: z5 compact, running linux in a chroot 2018-01-06T01:05:13 < Steffanx> First time i ever hear someone does what you do :D 2018-01-06T01:05:20 < BrainDamage> i know it's not common 2018-01-06T01:05:37 < BrainDamage> i also have folding bluetooth mouse & keyb & hdmi cable, i can plug it into a monitor and get my desktop instantly 2018-01-06T01:06:12 < BrainDamage> it's actually incredibly convenient while traveling 2018-01-06T01:06:21 < BrainDamage> except for the batteries part 2018-01-06T01:10:51 < Steffanx> heh ok. Not the first thing i would do, but.. if it works for you. 2018-01-06T01:11:02 < aandrew> PaulFertser: yep, just had to take a break to feed the sprog 2018-01-06T01:23:20 < aandrew> ok, if I got that decoded right, it's processor 0x6, family 0x0, series 0x6, die 0x0, rev 0x0 and devsel 0x4 2018-01-06T01:23:51 < srk> BrainDamage: how fast is your phone? :D 2018-01-06T01:25:19 < BrainDamage> snapdragon 810 2018-01-06T01:25:25 < zyp> modern phones are pretty fast 2018-01-06T01:25:41 < BrainDamage> it's sufficient to run a desktop os at full speed fluidly 2018-01-06T01:25:59 < srk> hah, yeah 2018-01-06T01:26:08 < srk> I have some ifc6410 devboards 2018-01-06T01:26:27 < srk> pretty powerful but too messed in android way 2018-01-06T01:26:51 < srk> one of the few boards that had usable SATA at the time 2018-01-06T01:30:08 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T01:30:29 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T01:30:43 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static184-169-55-60.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T01:32:08 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T01:32:37 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T01:33:09 < Steffanx> Welcome sterna 2018-01-06T01:33:12 < Steffanx> *stvn too 2018-01-06T01:33:17 < stvn> welcome; 2018-01-06T01:34:58 < stvn> Steffanx: australia is melting 2018-01-06T01:35:08 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne 2018-01-06T01:35:09 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Clear. Temp is 34.2°C. North wind: 16.1 kph. 2018-01-06T01:35:12 < Steffanx> I see. 2018-01-06T01:35:29 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static184-169-55-60.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T01:35:46 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T01:35:50 < stvn> the doggers 2018-01-06T01:36:14 -!- kikes [~Janne@dyt4yz02qw56vkhcq5d9y-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T01:36:41 < aandrew> Warn : SAMD: bank size doesn't match NVM parameters. Identified 512KB Flash but NVMCTRL reports 2048 512B pages 2018-01-06T01:36:44 < aandrew> Info : SAMD MCU: SAMD51J19A (512KB Flash, 192KB RAM) 2018-01-06T01:36:46 < aandrew> getting closer 2018-01-06T01:37:25 < stvn> who is kikes 2018-01-06T01:37:52 < kikes> your pimp 2018-01-06T01:37:56 < stvn> i'm almost certain hitler has something to do with this 2018-01-06T01:38:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-06T01:38:52 < kikes> long day 2018-01-06T01:38:57 < kikes> back to my smelly cave 2018-01-06T01:39:54 < kikes> I fucking love those remote roads that continue for hundreds of kilometers with 100km/h speed limit 2018-01-06T01:40:05 < stvn> welcome to australia 2018-01-06T01:40:59 < kikes> and where speed limit enforcement is rare or completelly absent 2018-01-06T01:41:16 < Steffanx> Kaikkeen tottuu paitsi jääpuikkoon perseessä, ja sekin sulaa pois, kikes 2018-01-06T01:41:47 < kikes> :D finnish proverb 2018-01-06T01:42:21 < Steffanx> Se on niin kiero että kun se syö rautanaulan, se paskantaa ruuvin. Applies to stvn for sure. 2018-01-06T01:42:43 < stvn> why are you talking to me in sputnik? 2018-01-06T01:43:00 < kikes> your finnish is very good 2018-01-06T01:43:09 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/gallery/Pc4vG browsing imgur, stvn 2018-01-06T01:44:43 < stvn> i see 2018-01-06T01:47:20 < stvn> stm32 quality 2018-01-06T01:47:33 < Steffanx> true 2018-01-06T01:47:43 < kikes> so I was doing "a bit of speeding" there in the middle of nowhere and then I saw lights comming closer fast in my mirror 2018-01-06T01:47:53 < Laurenceb_> fingolia 2018-01-06T01:48:10 < stvn> is your registration 1488? 2018-01-06T01:48:23 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/us0aodO.jpg?fb 2018-01-06T01:49:08 < kikes> I pulled small forrest road right when I had a chance and parked behind trees to see who is chasing me 2018-01-06T01:49:10 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/112/965/4fd.png 2018-01-06T01:49:40 < stvn> rofl 2018-01-06T01:49:41 < kikes> so it was just some oldish station wagon 2018-01-06T01:50:12 < stvn> Laurenceb_: what about his beer 2018-01-06T01:50:13 < kikes> and I started chasing him - I had my own very fast mine sweeper 2018-01-06T01:50:21 < stvn> did you know they have fosters beer taps in UK? 2018-01-06T01:50:58 < stvn> we don't have those beer taps here, you're being sold a lie, we actually drink our own piss to get drunk 2018-01-06T01:51:05 < Laurenceb_> yes, unfortunately 2018-01-06T01:51:29 < stvn> beer is too expensive, national avg IQ is like 20 2018-01-06T01:51:37 < kikes> yes 2018-01-06T01:51:40 < stvn> so more beer tax mate 2018-01-06T01:51:51 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/Do+not+reply+to+this+post/funny-pictures/6096801#b87fd2_6096357 2018-01-06T01:52:24 < Laurenceb_> https://funnypictures1.fjcdn.com/pictures/Do_e538a2_6096357.jpg 2018-01-06T01:52:26 < Laurenceb_> kekking 2018-01-06T01:53:01 < aandrew> yuck 2018-01-06T01:53:17 < aandrew> the NVM in the SAMD51 is different enough that the register address map has changed slightly 2018-01-06T01:53:31 < stvn> lol @ manlets 2018-01-06T01:53:33 < stvn> also spergs 2018-01-06T01:55:42 < aandrew> completely different command set too 2018-01-06T01:55:57 < aandrew> at least the key is the same :-/ 2018-01-06T01:56:31 < Steffanx> Different enough from what aandrew? 2018-01-06T01:57:37 < Steffanx> *compared to what 2018-01-06T01:59:48 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsZGkTJuvvY 2018-01-06T02:00:21 < stvn> ` 2018-01-06T02:01:02 < aandrew> Steffanx: SAMD51 NVM is different enough from the rest of the SAMD family that it's gonna take significant work to make the samd nor flash code work with it 2018-01-06T02:01:20 < stvn> rofl reddit https://i.imgur.com/CvaglCB.jpg 2018-01-06T02:01:22 < aandrew> thankfully chip erase works, I erase the chip and now JLinkExe can halt the CPU :-) 2018-01-06T02:01:25 < karlp> aandrew: oh, samd51 looks nnice, I was just lookinat at them, whenn you were speaking of them earlier I thought it was tthhe older parts, but thihhs new family looks pretty sweet 2018-01-06T02:01:35 < aandrew> yeah 2018-01-06T02:06:21 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-06T02:10:10 < stvn> the salesman said it was free 2018-01-06T02:10:39 < Steffanx> .. 2018-01-06T02:11:56 < Laurenceb_> neg the poz hole 2018-01-06T02:14:01 < ds2> SAMD parts are annoying 2018-01-06T02:16:02 < Steffanx> why ds2? 2018-01-06T02:26:33 < branjb> any mechanics here? 2018-01-06T02:28:29 < upgrdman> branjb, i've done basic maintenance on my car 2018-01-06T02:28:32 < upgrdman> not pro tho 2018-01-06T02:29:35 < branjb> where would you start with low oil pressure at idle (under 500 rpm triggers the light, over 600 rpm light goes off)? 2018-01-06T02:29:47 < Steffanx> You should probably wake up sync 2018-01-06T02:30:03 < upgrdman> branjb, not had that problem. i guess the oil pump would be a start 2018-01-06T02:30:23 < upgrdman> but wait. 500rpm... your engine can idle at 500? 2018-01-06T02:30:29 < branjb> yeah that's what i figured but i think oil pump is out of my comfort zone 2018-01-06T02:30:38 < upgrdman> my shit 4 cylinder wont tolerate <700 very well 2018-01-06T02:30:42 < branjb> more like 550 but yeah 2018-01-06T02:30:47 < upgrdman> hmm k 2018-01-06T02:31:12 < branjb> car has been sitting for > 6 months too 2018-01-06T02:31:14 < upgrdman> OBD2 + dongle, check for anything else weird? 2018-01-06T02:31:20 < branjb> didn't have issue before sitting 2018-01-06T02:31:23 < upgrdman> oh 2018-01-06T02:31:26 < upgrdman> change your oil 2018-01-06T02:31:32 < upgrdman> its hygroscopic iirc 2018-01-06T02:31:53 < branjb> oh 2018-01-06T02:31:55 < branjb> yeah 2018-01-06T02:31:58 < branjb> that makes sense 2018-01-06T02:32:09 < branjb> i didn't even think to change it because i changed it right before it was garaged 2018-01-06T02:32:14 < Steffanx> but you should be able to see that right? 2018-01-06T02:32:29 < branjb> after draining the oil probably 2018-01-06T02:32:44 < upgrdman> Steffanx, not sure if its visible, but you can definitely send oil to a lab for testing. but it'll be cheaper to just replace the oil 2018-01-06T02:32:49 < Steffanx> or by draining just a bit. 2018-01-06T02:32:49 < branjb> but wouldn't the oil stay separate from the water and be hard to tell via dipstick? 2018-01-06T02:32:56 < branjb> yeah 2018-01-06T02:33:05 < upgrdman> iirc, theres additives to keep a little water in solution 2018-01-06T02:33:14 < upgrdman> specifically so it doesnt form big droplets 2018-01-06T02:33:14 < branjb> i had some winter weight oil anyway and i'm in AZ now 2018-01-06T02:33:30 < branjb> can't hurt to change it anyway, $40 2018-01-06T02:34:08 < stvn> and install a free operating system 2018-01-06T02:34:15 < branjb> i'll start with that i guess 2018-01-06T02:34:17 < upgrdman> gnu/ecu 2018-01-06T02:34:28 < upgrdman> i wonder if that's a thing 2018-01-06T02:34:28 < Steffanx> My car does windows. Yours cant beat that, stvn 2018-01-06T02:34:29 < branjb> i have a nice siphon pump to suck the oil out instead of draining via the pan 2018-01-06T02:34:44 < upgrdman> branjb, iirc thats a bad idea 2018-01-06T02:34:57 < stvn> the pro system 2018-01-06T02:34:57 < upgrdman> shit can settle. best to drain from the lowest point possible 2018-01-06T02:35:17 < upgrdman> and unless your filter is on top, you need to get under the car anyway 2018-01-06T02:35:38 < branjb> it is on top 2018-01-06T02:35:53 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-06T02:35:53 < stvn> i'll tell you a story about the guy who ignored the oil level warning.... :3 2018-01-06T02:36:07 < stvn> his engine seized lol 2018-01-06T02:36:08 < branjb> it's a pain to drain, the car sits too low to get under w/o jacks 2018-01-06T02:36:30 < branjb> yeah i don't plan on driving it till it's worked out 2018-01-06T02:36:34 < branjb> fastest way to total a car 2018-01-06T02:37:04 < upgrdman> stvn, heh. i guess my car doesnt give a warning. engine started to make a weird clanking sound when cold AND when i steer very hard AND when fast. turns out it was low on oil. did an oil change and only 1 quart (~1L) came out. 4 quarts nominal 2018-01-06T02:37:16 < upgrdman> 2005 toyota, was surprised it wouldnt warn me. 2018-01-06T02:37:26 < stvn> the dogs 2018-01-06T02:37:26 < branjb> haha 2018-01-06T02:37:44 < branjb> my first car burned oil; every 3 gas fills i'd just add a litre of oil 2018-01-06T02:37:57 < stvn> that is cool 2018-01-06T02:38:06 < upgrdman> i have a very short commute (<2 miles) so my engine never even gets up to temp by the time i park 2018-01-06T02:38:13 < Steffanx> lol, you dont check the level regularly upgrdman.. karma. 2018-01-06T02:38:19 < upgrdman> i bet i burn an inordinate amount of oil etc 2018-01-06T02:38:49 < Steffanx> 2 miles. car. really? :D 2018-01-06T02:38:58 < stvn> it'd be fun to ride a bicycle... unless you usually drive a hearse 2018-01-06T02:39:01 < upgrdman> Steffanx, well its a toyota. been very reliable. it was when i got a new job, close to home, and i didnt realize that lots of very short trips beat the shit out of your engine and cat 2018-01-06T02:39:10 < upgrdman> Steffanx, 'murica! 2018-01-06T02:39:43 < upgrdman> i've actually walked to work, which is fine, but its a pain in the ass having to wait at ~every crosswalk 2018-01-06T02:40:00 < branjb> don't you live in the bay area? 2018-01-06T02:40:13 < upgrdman> that and the few other people walking are weirdos, prolly drug addicts that got a DUI and lost their license 2018-01-06T02:40:18 < upgrdman> no, so cal 2018-01-06T02:40:20 < upgrdman> long beach 2018-01-06T02:40:22 < branjb> oh 2018-01-06T02:41:34 < stvn> i want to be fat 2018-01-06T02:41:47 < Steffanx> i can ship you 5kg waffles to being with.. 2018-01-06T02:41:49 < upgrdman> you sound 'murican, stvn 2018-01-06T02:42:00 < Steffanx> Ill add a free theepot, stvn 2018-01-06T02:42:06 < stvn> really? 2018-01-06T02:42:08 < stvn> that'd be awesome 2018-01-06T02:42:27 < Steffanx> Would it arrive at stvn's place when i ship it to the factory? 2018-01-06T02:42:33 < stvn> no 2018-01-06T02:42:43 < upgrdman> bbl 2018-01-06T02:42:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-06T02:42:44 < stvn> lol 2018-01-06T02:43:02 < stvn> i haven't spoke to that cunt since i resigned as a director 2018-01-06T02:43:15 < Steffanx> He still runs the business? 2018-01-06T02:43:24 < stvn> yeah of course 2018-01-06T02:43:26 < Steffanx> Found a new stvn? 2018-01-06T02:43:36 < stvn> no a new tech 2018-01-06T02:43:50 < Steffanx> so a new stvn 2018-01-06T02:43:54 < stvn> how hard is it to swap boards and replace tactile switches 2018-01-06T02:44:07 < Steffanx> idk. I dont know how hard you made it. 2018-01-06T02:44:35 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T02:44:38 < stvn> no stvn works for fuck all in hopes that that stupid cunt will stop pumping his own dick and do something useful 2018-01-06T02:45:38 < stvn> if i see him again i will be breaking his jaw 2018-01-06T02:47:25 < Steffanx> You should start this talk group 2018-01-06T02:47:32 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T02:47:38 < Steffanx> For ex-dj repair guys 2018-01-06T02:48:01 < Steffanx> Drink tea from theepots and eat waffles. 2018-01-06T02:48:08 < Steffanx> And talk about dj repairs 2018-01-06T02:49:10 < stvn> n 2018-01-06T02:49:15 < Steffanx> Ok 2018-01-06T02:49:20 < stvn> i am professional engineer now 2018-01-06T02:50:04 < stvn> unlike dickhead i got an education and needn't rely on bullshit and ripping people off 2018-01-06T02:57:59 < dongs> hello eevblog watchers 2018-01-06T02:58:48 < stvn> fuck him 2018-01-06T03:00:23 < BrainDamage> spotted kikes https://imgur.com/y4jltzD 2018-01-06T03:01:53 < dongs> kikes indeed 2018-01-06T03:04:18 < Steffanx> Hah. kikes 2018-01-06T03:14:13 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:16:19 < stvn> fucking eevblog 2018-01-06T03:16:37 < stvn> what's he done now? 2018-01-06T03:18:12 * sync awakes 2018-01-06T03:18:43 < dongs> same shit as usual 2018-01-06T03:18:48 < dongs> exists 2018-01-06T03:18:48 -!- hexo [hexo@base48.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-06T03:18:48 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-06T03:18:48 -!- srk [sorki@fedora/sorki] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-06T03:18:53 < sync> branjb: hm, I would not expect the oil to be the issue 2018-01-06T03:20:19 < stvn> lol 2018-01-06T03:23:03 -!- EntropyWizard [~entwiz@73.31.123.0] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:23:12 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T03:25:12 < dongs> https://twitter.com/klhufd/status/942806254631772161 2018-01-06T03:26:09 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:26:56 -!- srk [sorki@fedora/sorki] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:28:34 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:29:45 < stvn> a _ t i s m 2018-01-06T03:30:03 < stvn> would you like to solve it now? 2018-01-06T03:30:14 < dongs> stvn: ask o_6 2018-01-06T03:30:24 < stvn> i thought he died? 2018-01-06T03:30:29 < dongs> he might reply you with over 9000 lines of monoblog 2018-01-06T03:34:24 < stvn> the excitement 2018-01-06T03:35:28 -!- hexo_ [hexo@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:36:15 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-06T03:36:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T03:41:24 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-06T03:43:47 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:48:31 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-06T03:53:53 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T03:59:05 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-06T04:01:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:02:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@67.185.142.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-06T04:04:36 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:12:37 < Laurenceb_> did someone say oil? 2018-01-06T04:18:07 -!- kaa [~Janne@dyt4yz02qw56vkhcq5d9y-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:19:20 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@24.72.40.127] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:19:49 -!- scrotal_b_ [sid118777@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejdqqwtolpqtueiw] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:22:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2018-01-06T04:22:07 -!- Simon--_ [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:22:12 -!- nikomo_ [~quassel@nikomo.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:22:16 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:23:51 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:25:33 -!- zapb__ [~zapb@2a01:4f8:c0c:3205::2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:25:55 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:26:52 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nikomo, ABLomas, kikes, scrotal_b, zapb_, ohsix, tonyarkles, Simon-- 2018-01-06T04:26:56 -!- scrotal_b_ is now known as scrotal_b 2018-01-06T04:27:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ohsix 2018-01-06T04:33:55 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T04:52:29 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:c431:5343:d4b3:8866] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-06T04:56:45 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-06T04:57:14 < upgrdman> in so windows, the taskbar will make an app orange if it wants your attention. any way to disable that per app, or if needed, disabled it period? 2018-01-06T04:57:39 < dongs> no 2018-01-06T04:57:44 < upgrdman> fuck 2018-01-06T04:59:01 < upgrdman> unrelated, earlier we were autisming about car maintenance. check my car, fuck im low on oil and very low on coolant. lol. 2018-01-06T04:59:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T05:42:41 < englishman> https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/sunwing-plane-clips-westjet-plane-at-toronto-airport-sparking-fire-1.3747926 2018-01-06T05:46:45 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/14/qarnot_drops_intel_adopts_amd/ 2018-01-06T05:47:47 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npuN2audIzQ 2018-01-06T05:48:01 < englishman> thanks 2018-01-06T05:57:59 -!- EntropyWizard [~entwiz@73.31.123.0] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-06T06:11:00 < tpw_rules> my compressor is low on oil 2018-01-06T06:23:17 < tpw_rules> i was sympathizing with upgrdman 2018-01-06T06:34:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T06:37:19 < upgrdman> smooth https://i.imgur.com/S2OVy7b.gifv 2018-01-06T06:37:44 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-149-252.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2018-01-06T06:47:32 < upgrdman> mount roman candles on a quadcopter with a camera set to auto-follow https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/7oewq6/proper_use_of_a_drone/ 2018-01-06T06:48:03 < upgrdman> althought tbh it doesnt looks smooth enough for auto-follow 2018-01-06T07:08:01 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-06T07:23:17 < Thorn> why do they wrap pipes in barbed wire in Hong Kong? https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1370/5031/products/f517da423ea6d4f06c143f636160e974_Hong_20Kong_20Slums_20063_20-_20Fotoref_2048_2048x2048.progressive.jpg?v=1505821095 2018-01-06T07:23:35 < dongs> so niggers dont steal your copper pipes 2018-01-06T07:23:44 < jadew`> that 2018-01-06T07:24:00 < Thorn> hardly any copper pipes there 2018-01-06T07:24:01 < jadew`> lots of thieves have died stealing pipes 2018-01-06T07:24:30 < jadew`> I remember an incident a couple of years back where a bunch of thieves tried to steal a gas pipe... 2018-01-06T07:24:35 < jadew`> they all died I think 2018-01-06T07:25:23 < Thorn> I think it's to prevent people from climbing into windows using those pipes 2018-01-06T07:25:53 < jadew`> hmm, could be that too 2018-01-06T07:39:31 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T07:42:30 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T07:45:37 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T07:45:42 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-06T07:46:35 -!- nikomo_ is now known as nikomo 2018-01-06T08:20:32 < jadew`> any idea if Saturday is a workday for Farnell? 2018-01-06T08:20:37 < dongs> no 2018-01-06T08:20:39 < dongs> why would it be 2018-01-06T08:20:41 < jadew`> thanks 2018-01-06T08:21:02 < jadew`> some people work on saturdays 2018-01-06T08:21:21 < jadew`> why would it be any different for those in the warehouse? 2018-01-06T08:21:57 < jadew`> I mean, such a big operation, you'd think they'd hire more people to have the weekend shift covered 2018-01-06T08:23:35 < jadew`> anyway, no biggie, I just want to know if I should hold off this order till Monday or not 2018-01-06T08:23:48 < jadew`> might add more stuff to the cart by then 2018-01-06T08:24:29 < jadew`> hopefully they don't run off of parts, like it happened with the solder paste 2018-01-06T08:25:58 < MrMobius> mouser has a count down timer so you know if your order will make it in the next shipment 2018-01-06T08:26:07 < MrMobius> or maybe they are just fucking with you 2018-01-06T08:26:36 < jadew`> MrMobius, Farnell also mentions that if you order before 6 pm, your order makes it 2018-01-06T08:26:45 < jadew`> but that's during work days 2018-01-06T08:27:16 < jadew`> they had two options in stock for GC 10, 600g at 300+ RON and 500 g at almost 550 ROM (more expensive, for less) 2018-01-06T08:27:23 < jadew`> they're out of the 600g one 2018-01-06T08:30:43 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@24.72.40.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-06T08:35:04 < stvn> slaves work on saturdays 2018-01-06T08:35:54 < jadew`> you don't work on saturdays? 2018-01-06T08:36:16 < jadew`> I work all the time 2018-01-06T08:36:44 < stvn> depends 2018-01-06T08:37:47 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Wanna thank STM for this !!! 2018-01-06T11:13:38 < dongs> how the fuck would it even know? 2018-01-06T11:13:49 < dongs> i didnt think there was a way to enter a proper year into STM's RTC 2018-01-06T11:14:00 < dongs> just some bullshit 0..99 thing that can't specifycentury/etc 2018-01-06T11:14:49 < dongs> shitlab' 2018-01-06T11:18:02 -!- inca_ [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T11:18:56 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T11:20:13 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5f584c65.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-06T11:20:32 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.61.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T11:20:39 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5f584c65.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T11:21:14 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.61.92] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T11:21:36 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T11:22:10 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T11:22:56 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.104.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-06T11:25:36 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:d042:a248:20b:11c8] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-06T11:28:55 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T12:08:07 < zyp> dongs, you don't need to specify century, leap years are always x % 4 == 0, the only thing that varies is whether x % 100 == 0 is a leap year or not 2018-01-06T12:08:24 < zyp> but at most it'll get wrong once a century, so that's not really a big concern 2018-01-06T12:14:38 < dongs> you mean 1900 is leap and 2000 is leap? 2018-01-06T12:14:46 < dongs> the're not shifted by some year or wahtever 2018-01-06T12:19:47 < Steffanx> Hah. The year 2000 was an exception dongs 2018-01-06T12:20:16 < Steffanx> Because its NOT a leap year when x % 400 == 0 2018-01-06T12:20:56 < Steffanx> Or am i wrong now. 2018-01-06T12:21:07 < Steffanx> I hardly remember the year 2000 2018-01-06T12:22:43 < Steffanx> I was wrong its the other way around. Oops 2018-01-06T12:24:28 < Steffanx> The year 1900 wasnt one. Because when x%100==0 its not a leap year except when x%400==0 2018-01-06T12:25:28 < Steffanx> How jappies do this dongs? 2018-01-06T12:25:33 < dongs> no idea man 2018-01-06T12:25:39 < dongs> is it gonna be feb 29 this yeaR? 2018-01-06T12:25:49 < Steffanx> No. 2018-01-06T12:26:00 < dongs> so its not %4 either?? 2018-01-06T12:26:21 < Steffanx> 2018%4=2 2018-01-06T12:26:23 < dongs> oh nvm 2018%4 isnt 0 2018-01-06T12:26:25 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-06T12:26:29 < dongs> just noticed that 2018-01-06T12:28:44 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T12:29:27 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T12:29:44 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:3c5b:4e4a:8232:44f3] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T12:30:18 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T12:46:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2018-01-06T12:46:49 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T12:50:22 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/analog-devices-inc/AD9911BCPZ/AD9911BCPZ-ND/1132283 what would this be useful for 2018-01-06T12:51:23 < stvn> Featured Product Analog Devices IoT and the Intelligence of Things 2018-01-06T12:51:25 < stvn> clearly nothing. 2018-01-06T12:52:18 < dongs> haha you got me there 2018-01-06T12:54:08 < stvn> fucking IoT though.... 2018-01-06T12:59:14 < Steffanx> I bet youll be ioting too soon 2018-01-06T12:59:26 < Steffanx> DJ hipsters want that 2018-01-06T12:59:36 < dongs> eurodk spammed me with their SFP module 2018-01-06T12:59:55 < dongs> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/fiber-modules/sfp-s-plus-rj10-module how is this better than a ebay cable for $9 that has TWO on both copper ends? 2018-01-06T13:01:31 < dongs> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/antennas/sxt-sq-5-ac damn that is cheap 2018-01-06T13:01:54 < dongs> https://www.qualcomm.com/products/ipq4018 wtf is 802.11ac wave 2? 2018-01-06T13:28:57 < Cracki> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/enterprise-networks/802-11ac-solution/q-and-a-c67-734152.html 2018-01-06T13:29:11 < Cracki> tldr: moar 2018-01-06T13:37:22 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: you forgot to say please] 2018-01-06T13:45:22 -!- kaa [~Janne@dyt4yz02qw56vkhcq5d9y-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-06T14:07:16 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T14:07:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T14:10:00 < zyp> dongs, you can use existing cabling 2018-01-06T14:13:30 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/ts-c1.png the heatsink on this tip is surprisingly effective, one can solder shutterstock style :P 2018-01-06T14:13:52 < zyp> haha 2018-01-06T14:14:33 < BrainDamage> huh, mine has a cone with much smaller base 2018-01-06T14:14:42 < BrainDamage> half a cm size or so 2018-01-06T14:14:53 < jpa-> yeah, most TS-100 tips have that, this is the newer TS-C1 tip 2018-01-06T14:15:08 < jpa-> which is very nice, btw; narrow enough but with slanted end so that you still get some heat transfer 2018-01-06T14:16:23 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-06T14:16:27 < BrainDamage> probably better for balance too 2018-01-06T14:16:58 < jpa-> i wish they'd make them shorter though; doesn't seem like the heater has to be so long 2018-01-06T14:17:40 < zyp> agreed 2018-01-06T14:18:09 < zyp> I want something as short as the jbc nano stuff 2018-01-06T14:29:43 -!- kaa [~Janne@dyt4yz0zglpknzd3mtq2t-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T14:30:04 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T14:32:01 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T14:32:07 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-06T14:52:55 < dongs> zyp, i thought the $9 shit was just RJ45 2018-01-06T14:53:00 < dongs> is it captive? 2018-01-06T14:53:10 < zyp> what shit? 2018-01-06T14:53:32 < zyp> aren't you talking about SFP+ twinax shit? 2018-01-06T14:53:53 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/this-shit/111843638475 2018-01-06T14:53:56 < dongs> ya 2018-01-06T14:54:13 < dongs> ok pic looks captive 2018-01-06T14:54:16 < dongs> i guess whatever 2018-01-06T14:54:17 < zyp> yes, it is 2018-01-06T14:54:23 < dongs> still not wroth $100 for a pair of mikrodiks 2018-01-06T14:54:29 < dongs> i';ll break through a wall at taht price 2018-01-06T14:56:00 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T14:56:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T14:56:30 < zyp> for flexible cabling I'd just get two fiber transceivers instead and run fibe 2018-01-06T14:59:12 < Steffanx> You run fiber incl the connector or do you somehow add the connector after that zyp? 2018-01-06T14:59:22 < Steffanx> LC connector i assume 2018-01-06T14:59:54 < dongs> zyp has l33t axxs to fujikura cable splicer. 2018-01-06T15:01:37 < zyp> last place I lived, where I actually ran fiber in conduit, I cut the end of a cord, pulled it through the conduit, and then got a friend to splice a new end on it afterwards 2018-01-06T15:03:18 < zyp> where I live now, all cabled networking is located on either side of a wall, so I just drilled a big hole through it and covered with brush plates 2018-01-06T15:03:21 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/RfYK8.jpg 2018-01-06T15:03:46 < Steffanx> hah 2018-01-06T15:03:56 < dongs> isnt that a bit too low for a glory hole 2018-01-06T15:05:10 < zyp> my legs are short 2018-01-06T15:06:52 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ab4Em.jpg <- here's how it looks now 2018-01-06T15:07:33 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/1B1mQ.jpg <- and here's what I got on the other side of the wall 2018-01-06T15:09:28 < zyp> left side is network core, right side is internet of shit 2018-01-06T15:10:01 < Steffanx> i spotted a ikea tradigifig gateway. 2018-01-06T15:10:06 < zyp> yes 2018-01-06T15:10:07 < Steffanx> Damn that thing works terribly here. 2018-01-06T15:10:16 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/nu88P4U.png HEVC bitrate on UHD-BD credits are higher than jewflix 4K stream 2018-01-06T15:10:38 < Steffanx> Somehow it looses its IP address all the time and ends up with some random-ish "i cant get DHCP to work"-ip 2018-01-06T15:12:04 < zyp> I haven't had any problems with that 2018-01-06T15:12:08 < zyp> maybe your dhcp server is shit 2018-01-06T15:12:34 < dongs> wut 2018-01-06T15:12:40 < dongs> dickea makes wireless hardware? 2018-01-06T15:13:05 < zyp> wireless led lights, and a gateway to control them 2018-01-06T15:13:19 < zyp> it's using same zigbee shit as philips hue 2018-01-06T15:13:34 < dongs> i forgot that people actually use IoT shit ~seriously~ 2018-01-06T15:13:45 < zyp> haha 2018-01-06T15:13:53 < zyp> well, yeah 2018-01-06T15:14:01 < dongs> sorry id ont need wifi in my lights 2018-01-06T15:14:04 < dongs> or zigbee 2018-01-06T15:14:11 < Steffanx> How else do i have to turn the lights off when im in bed? 2018-01-06T15:14:20 < dongs> don't turn them on in the first place 2018-01-06T15:14:27 < Steffanx> but then it's dark. 2018-01-06T15:14:33 < dongs> use your phone's light 2018-01-06T15:14:42 < zyp> I have three ikea bulbs in the living room lights, and only way to control them is ikea voice control :p 2018-01-06T15:14:50 < zyp> eh 2018-01-06T15:14:54 < zyp> alexa voice control* 2018-01-06T15:14:56 < Steffanx> you dont have those fancy zigbee buttons? 2018-01-06T15:15:07 < zyp> no, they are shit 2018-01-06T15:15:12 < Steffanx> Works for me. 2018-01-06T15:15:45 < Steffanx> Whats this weird polish-ish shop you buy all that wireless/whatever hw stuff dongs? 2018-01-06T15:15:56 < zyp> eurodk? 2018-01-06T15:15:58 < dongs> eurodk? they're fucking great and they take paypal 2018-01-06T15:16:02 < dongs> i think they are acutally in latvia 2018-01-06T15:16:05 < Steffanx> yes that its 2018-01-06T15:16:09 < Steffanx> thats it 2018-01-06T15:16:41 < dongs> but yea all my mikrodik gear is from there 2018-01-06T15:17:26 < zyp> mine too 2018-01-06T15:17:34 < zyp> well, the one switch I've got 2018-01-06T15:18:07 < dongs> i have 4 wireless shits and 2 10gb switches from them. and I think a unifi cam. that i still havent installed anywhere 2018-01-06T15:19:23 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:3c5b:4e4a:8232:44f3] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-06T15:25:34 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia1. 2018-01-06T15:26:00 < Steffanx> Sure. 2018-01-06T15:29:46 < dongs> yes 2018-01-06T15:29:52 < zyp> superbia1, 12 eur is expensive for that 2018-01-06T15:30:08 < dongs> yeah i think its 9.99 o wahtever at the original site 2018-01-06T15:30:19 < dongs> friendlyarm.com? or someshti 2018-01-06T15:30:24 < Steffanx> 6.99 on aliexpress 2018-01-06T15:30:31 < Steffanx> + shipping obviously 2018-01-06T15:30:38 < zyp> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product//1553371_32760774493.html 2018-01-06T15:31:14 < zyp> it's kinda shit though 2018-01-06T15:31:28 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5f584c65.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2018-01-06T15:31:30 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/1B1mQ.jpg <- the black box on the bottom right here is one of those 2018-01-06T15:31:33 < dongs> at least it has proper etherneting 2018-01-06T15:31:37 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-06T15:31:42 < dongs> and not fucking USB garbage 2018-01-06T15:31:43 < zyp> ethernet is ok, but wifi is utter shit 2018-01-06T15:32:10 < dongs> lunix4niggers 2018-01-06T15:32:22 < zyp> raspbian iirc 2018-01-06T15:32:33 < dongs> lol really? 2018-01-06T15:32:38 < dongs> did they clone it so that shit boots? 2018-01-06T15:33:17 < zyp> ah, no 2018-01-06T15:33:21 < zyp> I mean armbian 2018-01-06T15:34:25 < BrainDamage> i have alarm on 2xc1, 1xrageberry, and 1xcubieboard 2, works perfectly, but bear in mind they don't support orange shit 2018-01-06T15:35:14 < zyp> I suggest getting the zero plus rather than the zero 2018-01-06T15:35:17 < zyp> http://www.orangepi.org/OrangePiZeroPlus/ 2018-01-06T15:35:26 < zyp> better wifi chip and gigabit ethernet 2018-01-06T15:35:36 < dongs> too much shit 2018-01-06T15:35:59 < dongs> o the pic on top is not the shit 2018-01-06T15:38:40 < BrainDamage> ask in the alarm channel 2018-01-06T15:38:49 < zyp> superbia1, what are you gonna use it for? 2018-01-06T15:38:58 < BrainDamage> but it boils to your needs 2018-01-06T15:39:18 < BrainDamage> do you need better networking, good cpu, etc 2018-01-06T15:39:33 < BrainDamage> cheap implies you're going to get some parts being shit 2018-01-06T15:39:39 < BrainDamage> so you'll need to chose which 2018-01-06T15:39:45 < zyp> serving what? 2018-01-06T15:40:02 < dongs> lol win2008 on atom would rape the fuck out of anything on that list serving 2018-01-06T15:41:19 < zyp> yeah, for a serious server you'd want something with sata, at least (and onboard usb-sata-adapters doesn't count) 2018-01-06T15:41:56 < dongs> i think one of the cubie trashes has sata 2018-01-06T15:42:02 < dongs> but its allwhiner A20 so its garbage already 2018-01-06T15:42:13 < dongs> probly get 50meg/sec or so max off sata 2018-01-06T15:56:25 < Tectu> dongs, can one not embed the STEP into the PcbLIB? I deleted them from the file system and now their gone. I though they'd be embedded. How do you handle this? some 3d folder in your *.schlib and *.pcblib folder? 2018-01-06T15:56:43 < dongs> waht, default is to embed. 2018-01-06T15:57:02 < Tectu> yeah, thought so too. 2018-01-06T15:59:59 < BrainDamage> i only bought one many years ago from rs, regretted eversince 2018-01-06T16:00:21 < BrainDamage> it was one of those cart stuffers to reach shipping quotes 2018-01-06T16:00:55 < dongs> and it delayed your entier order by months? 2018-01-06T16:01:28 < BrainDamage> they had the decency to split it after a week of delay 2018-01-06T16:01:39 < BrainDamage> and yes, it arrived with months of delay 2018-01-06T16:13:18 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T16:13:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T16:15:44 < anonnumberanon> Hi I'd like to get some opinions on getting started with an stm32. I'm kind of advanced level on avr already and I'm looking at this for more power. From my research it is said one can either program these manually with registers and all that or use libraries, use a HAL, etc. I like to get into the nitty gritty but I am not a masochist, which road would you recommend? 2018-01-06T16:16:07 < anonnumberanon> I will be using an stm32f103c8t6. 2018-01-06T16:16:25 < anonnumberanon> I have an STlink programmer but not sure what programmer I should be using. 2018-01-06T16:17:28 < anonnumberanon> I also have a USB to serial programmer that I was using for avr, not sure if that would work for this too. 2018-01-06T16:17:31 < BrainDamage> f1 series was the first that came out, some things are a bit more awkward than sucessive gens 2018-01-06T16:17:56 < BrainDamage> stlink works, it's not the fastest but it's good enough for nearly everything 2018-01-06T16:18:09 < anonnumberanon> Can use with Linux? 2018-01-06T16:18:14 < Steffanx> with openocd, yes 2018-01-06T16:18:26 < dongs> advanced level on avr = can double click arduino.exe ? 2018-01-06T16:18:34 < Steffanx> better ignore superbia1 and dongs for a moment, anonnumberanon :P 2018-01-06T16:19:22 -!- ski7777 [~quassel@ip5f58c6eb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T16:19:30 < anonnumberanon> no i dabbled into programming them with asm, kind of know the different interrupts inside and out, made a few cool projects with it 2018-01-06T16:19:48 < BrainDamage> prepare to stare at the clock tree way more than with an avr 2018-01-06T16:20:33 < anonnumberanon> I'm not aware of what that is yet, I've read about it a little and decided it was a good time at that point to ask my first question I asked above haha . 2018-01-06T16:20:55 < anonnumberanon> With avr I just set fuses while programming for the clock. 2018-01-06T16:21:24 < BrainDamage> the clock distribution system is magnitudes more complex in a stm32 than with an avr 2018-01-06T16:21:30 < Cracki> with an stm32 you'll have all kinds of pieces that can take different clocks 2018-01-06T16:21:44 < BrainDamage> with prescalers, etc 2018-01-06T16:22:00 < dongs> at least STM32 cant be bricked by setting wrong clock 2018-01-06T16:22:02 < Cracki> what you know as prescalers for timers or adc on an avr, you'll get via the clock tree on stm32 2018-01-06T16:22:03 < dongs> unlike fagvr 2018-01-06T16:22:07 < Steffanx> anonnumberanon: There is also the in between when dont want to manually write registers and dont want to use the HAL. There is the LL_* stuff, which is part of the HAL package, but kinda a seperate library. LL stuff is mainly just some basic functions around the registers. 2018-01-06T16:22:24 < dongs> i think he hes using lunix he should be at home with shit like libopenaidscm3 2018-01-06T16:22:44 < dongs> makefileseverywehre 2018-01-06T16:23:11 < Steffanx> Im not really into libopencm3, but ..at least he gets a nice irc channel, with actual nice people, for it in return. 2018-01-06T16:23:45 < PaulFertser> anonnumberanon: I highly recommend step-by-step debugging and target inspection, it's often of really great help. 2018-01-06T16:23:48 < anonnumberanon> Ah okay. I think I'll get started with that then. 2018-01-06T16:24:15 < dongs> yes and no dongs 2018-01-06T16:24:35 < Steffanx> win-win. 2018-01-06T16:24:35 < anonnumberanon> I have a friend from #robotics who wants to coach me to get started I hope he uses libopencm3. 2018-01-06T16:25:01 < dongs> if hes a filthy lunix user chances are he is 2018-01-06T16:25:24 < anonnumberanon> I think he uses filthy linux and windows, like me 2018-01-06T16:25:38 < PaulFertser> anonnumberanon: if you like digging assembly you might want to compare the resulting listings for a simple project done with libopencm3 vs stm32plus. 2018-01-06T16:26:07 < BrainDamage> using asm tought is not the norm with stm32, more for micro optimizations, c is the gold standard 2018-01-06T16:26:23 < anonnumberanon> I don't necessarily like it but find it somewhat fun and that was the only way i could do that thing on avr. 2018-01-06T16:26:26 < PaulFertser> anonnumberanon: you'll need to be reading your target's reference manual and target's datasheet no matter what library you choose. 2018-01-06T16:26:41 < anonnumberanon> (fun cause of the different way you program than C) 2018-01-06T16:27:23 < anonnumberanon> PaulFertser, yeah im in the process of doing that i have the datasheet for my mcu. Maybe not the reference manual though. 2018-01-06T16:27:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-06T16:27:56 < BrainDamage> consider getting discoveries board btw 2018-01-06T16:28:05 < BrainDamage> they are cheap and work well 2018-01-06T16:28:17 < anonnumberanon> Oh I have one or two I got over the past few years. 2018-01-06T16:28:32 < BrainDamage> the only exception is the f1 discovery 2018-01-06T16:28:41 < anonnumberanon> Was thinking that would deviate from my way of doing bare chips on the breadboard instead of arduino. 2018-01-06T16:28:48 < BrainDamage> they did an horrible hack in the stlink v1, which requires workarounds 2018-01-06T16:29:13 < anonnumberanon> i have the discovery and the disco 2018-01-06T16:30:05 < anonnumberanon> and to actually start i was gonna use the stm32f103 board that is widely available for a few dollars 2018-01-06T16:30:15 < anonnumberanon> that's what i got, and the stlink programmer for it 2018-01-06T16:30:47 < anonnumberanon> the reason i was using asm is that to stay under a microsecond on avr, interrupts were taking too long 2018-01-06T16:31:18 < anonnumberanon> asm didn't do the trick though, by only a few clock cycles too.. 2018-01-06T16:33:33 < anonnumberanon> i was trying to do something under a microsecond, every microsecond and the best I got was around 18 cycles, which is 2 cycles beyond 1 microsecond 2018-01-06T16:34:33 -!- Swappage [~rampage@unaffiliated/swappage] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-06T16:34:43 < anonnumberanon> then i assumed at at a frequency of 72 mhz I would get 72 cycles per microsecond so I could do my thing but reading makes it all sound very complicated 2018-01-06T16:35:37 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T16:36:30 < dongs> there's the thing where using something hardware on STM makes more sense than woryin about cycles 2018-01-06T16:36:39 < dongs> I/O can use DMA, etc. 2018-01-06T16:37:42 < anonnumberanon> as long as I can find how to make it perfectly real time and repeatable 2018-01-06T16:38:27 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T16:39:51 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T16:43:41 < dongs> you might have a problem with that on cortex-m 2018-01-06T16:44:47 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T16:44:47 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T16:46:31 < anonnumberanon> oh god 2018-01-06T16:47:08 < anonnumberanon> it has many powerful timers though they don't make things happen exactly as expected during coding? 2018-01-06T16:47:27 < PaulFertser> timers are hw, they work exactly 2018-01-06T16:47:30 < dongs> the timers do 2018-01-06T16:47:38 < dongs> im talking about shit like timing with NOP and shit 2018-01-06T16:48:01 < PaulFertser> btw, there's a software usb implementation for cortex-m so code timing is relatively reliable. 2018-01-06T16:52:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T17:00:34 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T17:20:35 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T17:21:03 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T17:25:51 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T17:32:13 -!- Streake_ [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T17:33:57 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T17:34:03 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T17:36:37 < branjb> what kind of things can an advanced level avr do? 2018-01-06T17:37:02 -!- Streake_ [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-06T17:39:47 < BrainDamage> more than average, less than master 2018-01-06T17:44:08 < jadew`> the ikea table tops are shit 2018-01-06T17:44:30 < jadew`> just bought a new table top and decided to put 6 legs on it (two in the middle) 2018-01-06T17:44:43 < jadew`> turns out, it's only filled at the extremities 2018-01-06T17:44:59 < jadew`> when I drilled the holes in the middle it went right trough 2018-01-06T17:45:07 < jadew`> like it was empty 2018-01-06T17:47:44 < jadew`> I suppose that's how they keep the prices low and still make a hefty profit, by being the china of furniture 2018-01-06T17:48:51 < sync> yeah they are cardboard honeycombs inside 2018-01-06T17:48:52 < jadew`> now that I think about it, I have another table from them and I had to replace the legs because they just collapsed (they're adjustable, but they simply failed and wouldn't keep the height anymore) 2018-01-06T17:49:04 < sync> relatively nice solution imho 2018-01-06T17:50:19 < jadew`> I think everyone thinks they're full 2018-01-06T17:51:02 < sync> I don't think so 2018-01-06T17:51:11 < sync> they would be much heavier if they were 2018-01-06T17:51:16 < sync> doors are made the same way 2018-01-06T17:51:37 < jadew`> yeah, but this is the first time I see this done on table tops 2018-01-06T17:52:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T17:52:06 < jadew`> the cheapest table tops I've seen were still full 2018-01-06T17:53:07 < jadew`> I'd have no problem with it if they informed me it's shit 2018-01-06T17:54:07 < jadew`> but they didn't and I now I have a desk I don't think I can trust with what I want to put on it 2018-01-06T18:03:00 < jadew`> well, I think that I'll have to reinforce my other table too 2018-01-06T18:03:33 < jadew`> that or make another one from better wood 2018-01-06T18:04:44 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T18:05:15 < BrainDamage> since we're again on woody topics, and the diy store clerks proved to be completely inept, any idea for a wood finishing that's clear coat, possibly glossy, and is waterproof? 2018-01-06T18:06:54 < jadew`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP9Fb6RUMsk he talks about how he made his new bench in this one 2018-01-06T18:07:13 < jadew`> let me see if I can find it 2018-01-06T18:07:35 < jadew`> https://youtu.be/TP9Fb6RUMsk?t=361 2018-01-06T18:07:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T18:07:39 < jadew`> BrainDamage ^ 2018-01-06T18:09:07 < Steffanx> Damn, that IS glossy. 2018-01-06T18:09:56 < branjb> that's a sweet table 2018-01-06T18:10:00 < BrainDamage> thanks 2018-01-06T18:10:05 < jadew`> np 2018-01-06T18:10:21 < jadew`> he made it like that for the retro look 2018-01-06T18:10:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T18:10:34 < sync> BrainDamage: PU resin 2018-01-06T18:10:36 < branjb> BrainDamage depending on how much work you want to do home depot has some nice slabs of wood that you can put finishes/clear coats on 2018-01-06T18:10:45 < sync> but wax or oil also works 2018-01-06T18:13:48 < BrainDamage> branjb: this is a gift and I'm putting already considerable amount of work on it, not an issue, i already got the wood and i don't have much choice on it because of few ... odd requirements, also home depot doesn't exist here 2018-01-06T18:14:12 < BrainDamage> i did get enough for multiple attempts tought ( 10 ), so i can afford some failure 2018-01-06T18:14:25 < branjb> https://www.amazon.com/Finish-Varnish-Provides-Gorgeous-Appearance/dp/B000PEGLBS 2018-01-06T18:14:27 < branjb> something like that 2018-01-06T18:14:29 < BrainDamage> thanks for the polyretane suggestion 2018-01-06T18:17:01 < branjb> that stuff I linked does finishes like this: on 2018-01-06T18:17:03 < branjb> dammit 2018-01-06T18:17:06 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/1ZYlb 2018-01-06T18:19:04 < jadew`> looks nice 2018-01-06T18:30:03 -!- Streake_ [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T18:30:57 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T18:42:57 < Laurenceb_> wew count dankula videos are being blocked on youtube 2018-01-06T18:43:07 < Laurenceb_> this will anger the trollposters and not end well 2018-01-06T18:59:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-06T19:00:16 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T19:03:11 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T19:09:19 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T19:10:43 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T19:11:11 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T19:15:38 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-06T19:16:42 < Laurenceb_> Britannia before the Romans didn't have anything it was all just wild barbarians amirite BrainDamage? 2018-01-06T19:16:53 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T19:18:21 < BrainDamage> i like to think that while i irc drunk i still made more sense than you 2018-01-06T19:25:05 < Laurenceb_> ^Roman amirite? 2018-01-06T19:26:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-06T19:34:55 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T19:39:27 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/p7MtPIX 2018-01-06T19:41:52 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T19:45:05 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T19:51:24 -!- Tectu__ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T19:55:11 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-06T20:07:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T20:14:38 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T20:15:06 < Rob235> whats better to reflow a motherboard, oven or one of those blow drier type heat guns 2018-01-06T20:15:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-06T20:17:07 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2018-01-06T20:17:17 < Laurenceb_> you are unlikely to have much luck with hot air 2018-01-06T20:17:21 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/JPG36xk.gifv 2018-01-06T20:17:33 < Laurenceb_> there are IR heat tools that may well be suitable 2018-01-06T20:17:36 < Laurenceb_> but pricey 2018-01-06T20:17:46 < Laurenceb_> maybe a propane torch and alu foil lol 2018-01-06T20:18:22 < Rob235> im not buying something for this, Ive seen people have success with oven and heat gun, just not sure which I should try, probably oven as the air movement from the heat gun im worried will blow solder around 2018-01-06T20:18:48 < Rob235> but heat gun is more direct so if I wrap it in aluminum foil it may be better 2018-01-06T20:19:02 < Laurenceb_> depends what size component, heatsinking to gnd planes andtons of shit 2018-01-06T20:19:26 < Rob235> its a macbook pro, the gpu needs to be reflowed 2018-01-06T20:19:27 < Laurenceb_> I recently got asked to fix a medical ultrasonic device 2018-01-06T20:19:42 < Laurenceb_> about 8 layer pcb with huge gnd planes and the output power amps were fried 2018-01-06T20:19:57 < Laurenceb_> no chance of any luck replacing them with hot air 2018-01-06T20:19:57 < Rob235> its my old one that I havent touched since I got my new one, so if I brick it then I dont really care 2018-01-06T20:20:13 < Laurenceb_> hmm this sounds hard tbh 2018-01-06T20:20:29 < Laurenceb_> what power is your hot air? - watts 2018-01-06T20:20:51 < Rob235> hmm, low and high? :) 2018-01-06T20:20:58 < Laurenceb_> whats max power? 2018-01-06T20:21:00 < Rob235> ahh 1200 2018-01-06T20:21:04 < Laurenceb_> woah 2018-01-06T20:21:07 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2018-01-06T20:21:30 < Laurenceb_> wait is this some paint stripping tool or something?! 2018-01-06T20:22:22 < Rob235> https://www.amazon.com/Wagner-Power-Products-503008-200-Watt/dp/B00004TUCV 2018-01-06T20:22:43 < Laurenceb_> wtf thats not designed for tronics 2018-01-06T20:22:44 < Laurenceb_> lol 2018-01-06T20:22:50 < Rob235> I never said it was 2018-01-06T20:22:55 < Laurenceb_> ok that _might_ just work 2018-01-06T20:22:56 < Rob235> neither is an oven... 2018-01-06T20:23:01 < Laurenceb_> but you need to be v careful 2018-01-06T20:23:14 < Laurenceb_> do you have a thermocouple? 2018-01-06T20:23:17 < Rob235> i'll watch some yootoobs 2018-01-06T20:23:41 < Rob235> nope 2018-01-06T20:23:55 < Rob235> i'm pretty limited on tools and stuff 2018-01-06T20:24:23 < Laurenceb_> I'd build a mock up and try to find the temperature 2018-01-06T20:24:32 < Laurenceb_> if I was being v pro 2018-01-06T20:24:47 < Laurenceb_> with some foil to mask off/direct the airflow 2018-01-06T20:25:08 < Laurenceb_> if you are removing BGA I usually use 2 scalpel blades 2018-01-06T20:25:09 < Rob235> yea i'm sure I can find something to practice with, I think I saved the board from my old dvd player for some reason 2018-01-06T20:25:17 < PaulFertser> I've read about some guy using propane torch for that kind of repair. 2018-01-06T20:25:23 < Rob235> I dont want to remove it, just reflow it 2018-01-06T20:25:45 < Laurenceb_> wedged under either side and with some ~5gram metal masses to put controlled force on 2018-01-06T20:25:51 < PaulFertser> He placed a piece of solder near the chip to see when it starts to melt. 2018-01-06T20:25:52 < Laurenceb_> ie bits of scrap 2018-01-06T20:25:54 < Rob235> if i remove it its done, no coming back from that 2018-01-06T20:25:58 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2018-01-06T20:26:16 < Laurenceb_> ok maybe pour flux under and hope for the best... 2018-01-06T20:26:34 < Rob235> i'll test it out on that dvd board I said I have. see how that goes, do some tests 2018-01-06T20:26:58 < Laurenceb_> if you have metal handled scalples they usually work nicely for removing large BGA 2018-01-06T20:27:33 < Laurenceb_> people say you can tap the side with tweezers but I have never had luck with that 2018-01-06T20:27:45 < PaulFertser> I've read that in most cases where heating up BGA chip helps it usually means that there's a problem inside the chip itself. It'll work for a week or few months after heat treatment but then fail again. 2018-01-06T20:28:06 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-06T20:28:29 < Rob235> yea ive heard that too, I just figured it was worth a shot before I tossed it 2018-01-06T20:28:29 < Steffanx> but this macbook pro is probably known for the famous nvidia bga issue.. 2018-01-06T20:28:33 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: after removing you'd have to use some special method to make new balls for the chip. Or replace with a new one 2018-01-06T20:28:46 < Rob235> yea apple got sued for this problem I think 2018-01-06T20:29:00 < Laurenceb_> PaulFertser: I've used stencils to "reball" 2018-01-06T20:29:01 < Rob235> but apparently I spilled some liquid inside so they wouldnt fix it for free 2018-01-06T20:29:11 < Rob235> even though it was nowhere near anything important :) 2018-01-06T20:29:13 -!- jsoft_ [~jsoft@203-114-158-24.dyn.inspire.net.nz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T20:29:16 < Laurenceb_> but only ever reflowed about 30pin BGA this way 2018-01-06T20:30:18 < englishman> whats the current best single board computer 2018-01-06T20:30:20 < Laurenceb_> pizzagate: anything that's a spiral must be a nonce 2018-01-06T20:30:21 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: useful experience 2018-01-06T20:30:25 < Steffanx> edison, englishman 2018-01-06T20:30:26 < Steffanx> dueh 2018-01-06T20:30:28 < Steffanx> *duh. 2018-01-06T20:30:40 < Laurenceb_> top trawl Steffanx 2018-01-06T20:30:46 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2018-01-06T20:30:48 < PaulFertser> englishman: depends on the specific purposes. How cheap you need it. Or if you want real SATA etc. 2018-01-06T20:30:49 -!- Steffanx was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [no] 2018-01-06T20:30:52 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T20:30:55 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2018-01-06T20:30:55 < Laurenceb_> i'd unironically say Rpi 2018-01-06T20:31:03 < emeb> I've heard of people having luck with reflowing GPUs in an oven. 2018-01-06T20:31:04 < Laurenceb_> only because the others are so shit 2018-01-06T20:31:15 < englishman> PaulFertser: still cheap. just wondering if there is something better than odroid-c2 now, but with decent support. probably rpi3 2018-01-06T20:31:16 < Rob235> yea me too emeb 2018-01-06T20:31:18 < Laurenceb_> BBB is appalling 2018-01-06T20:31:23 < emeb> But I've also heard that these kind of fixes don't last for long. 2018-01-06T20:31:25 < Steffanx> bbb -_- 2018-01-06T20:31:31 < Laurenceb_> BBB is beyond parody levels of fail 2018-01-06T20:31:33 < Rob235> yup 2018-01-06T20:31:35 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T20:31:44 < englishman> odroid-c2 already has meh support, which is often a dealbreaker 2018-01-06T20:32:03 < emeb> Laurenceb_: what's wrong with BBB? 2018-01-06T20:32:11 < emeb> (besides the TLA) 2018-01-06T20:32:15 < Laurenceb_> they don't know how to use the PMIC 2018-01-06T20:32:26 < Laurenceb_> or how to connect and power the eMMC 2018-01-06T20:32:33 < Laurenceb_> or how to wire up the RTC 2018-01-06T20:32:47 < Laurenceb_> or how to do the battery power shit 2018-01-06T20:32:58 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-06T20:33:14 < emeb> Gerald failed again? 2018-01-06T20:33:23 < Laurenceb_> my BBB looks like a ratsnest and has multiple holes drilled through the pcb, but does more or less work... 2018-01-06T20:33:33 < Laurenceb_> but I'm not doing that to each board... 2018-01-06T20:33:48 < englishman> some of these raspi kits confound me 2018-01-06T20:34:00 < englishman> $100 for a sbc when you can get an entire laptop and windows 10 included for $200 2018-01-06T20:34:05 < Laurenceb_> I'd also worry about BBB lifetime 2018-01-06T20:34:21 < Laurenceb_> as the eMMC seems to be drawing excess 50mA due to screwups 2018-01-06T20:34:30 < emeb> Laurenceb_: so you retro-fixed your BBB by modding the board for better battery power? 2018-01-06T20:34:36 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-06T20:34:54 < emeb> Interesting. 2018-01-06T20:35:02 < Laurenceb_> had to cut a lot of the traces to the PMIC and wire up enamled wire to fix it 2018-01-06T20:35:13 < BrainDamage> englishman: i guess the main advantage would be gpio 2018-01-06T20:35:25 < emeb> Well, I hang with a bunch of the folks who were involved with Beagle stuff on another channel and they also have gripes. 2018-01-06T20:35:38 < Laurenceb_> its not hard to work out - just read the PMIC datasheet 2018-01-06T20:35:44 < BrainDamage> i actually never found someone who was truly satisfied with BBB 2018-01-06T20:35:46 < Laurenceb_> but somehow they failed... 2018-01-06T20:35:46 < emeb> The CM who was involved in the BBB was kind of a disaster. 2018-01-06T20:35:50 < PaulFertser> This states an extra year of operation was gained: http://makestuffdostuff.blogspot.nl/2011/01/reflowing-gpu-on-macbook-pro.html 2018-01-06T20:35:54 < emeb> and the board designer was a tool. 2018-01-06T20:36:07 < Rob235> i'll check it out, thanks 2018-01-06T20:36:40 < emeb> I was amused by the early board revs where they chose a $2 resistor for the 50 ohm reference impedance. 2018-01-06T20:36:53 < emeb> because the board designer didn't realize that the value wasn't critical. 2018-01-06T20:37:12 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe they should have looked at their power supply setups 2018-01-06T20:37:23 < Laurenceb_> especially as about half the schematic is power related 2018-01-06T20:38:27 < PaulFertser> Rob235: is the actual GPU chip unobtainable? 2018-01-06T20:39:18 < Rob235> you mean to replace? I dunno. I dont have equipment for that. a quick reflow is all I'll be able to do 2018-01-06T20:39:41 < PaulFertser> Yes, a new chip to replace the faulty one. 2018-01-06T20:40:00 < emeb> Laurenceb_: does that Octavo module do any better? 2018-01-06T20:40:01 < PaulFertser> New chips come with the balls, so no special equipment needed to solder it. 2018-01-06T20:40:16 < Rob235> I saw on video that even if you replace it that it will fail again. its more the design of the board where it flexes from the heat 2018-01-06T20:40:19 < Laurenceb_> emeb: dont know I gave up at that point :P 2018-01-06T20:40:31 < Laurenceb_> made a chibios board for the project and it was 10 times easier 2018-01-06T20:40:44 < PaulFertser> Rob235: oh that sucks. Probably get a refurbished thinkpad instead ;) 2018-01-06T20:40:51 < emeb> Laurenceb_: what MCU? 2018-01-06T20:40:57 < Laurenceb_> F4 2018-01-06T20:41:02 < emeb> lol 2018-01-06T20:41:16 < emeb> anytime you can use an F4 instead of a TI part you're doing the right thing. 2018-01-06T20:41:18 < Laurenceb_> needed to copy some files over usb mass storage and stuff 2018-01-06T20:41:40 < Laurenceb_> it might have been slow and stuff 2018-01-06T20:41:46 < Rob235> i already replaced the mbp with a new one almost two years ago. I was just going through my closet and figured id try to fix it and toss it if it didnt work 2018-01-06T20:42:01 < Laurenceb_> but it achieved reliable operation and battery power with simple on/off button and no hassle 2018-01-06T20:42:12 < Laurenceb_> press button -> it works 2018-01-06T20:42:13 < emeb> Laurenceb_: I did this a while back -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stbone/index.html 2018-01-06T20:42:23 < emeb> F4 in a BBB formfactor 2018-01-06T20:42:28 < Laurenceb_> haha nice 2018-01-06T20:42:29 < emeb> even has most of the same interfaces. 2018-01-06T20:42:55 < emeb> USB OTG & micro SD on the back. 2018-01-06T20:42:58 < Laurenceb_> I see a battery interface :P 2018-01-06T20:43:02 < emeb> Yep 2018-01-06T20:43:09 < Laurenceb_> does battery power and sleep work? 2018-01-06T20:43:13 < emeb> Yes 2018-01-06T20:43:28 < Laurenceb_> already better than BBB 2018-01-06T20:43:29 < Laurenceb_> :P 2018-01-06T20:45:26 < Laurenceb_> >there are people on this board who don't believe that Hillary eats children 2018-01-06T20:45:41 < Laurenceb_> >particularly their pineal glands for the adrenochrome 2018-01-06T21:21:24 < aandrew> lol 2018-01-06T21:21:48 < aandrew> why the fuck would you put an F4 in there 2018-01-06T21:21:55 < aandrew> slap an H7 in there and maybe you have something interesting 2018-01-06T21:45:18 < Steffanx> Last Updated :2015-03-05 <= aandrew 2018-01-06T21:50:58 -!- Tectu__ is now known as Tectu 2018-01-06T21:53:53 < Rob235> blah 2018-01-06T21:54:17 < Laurenceb_> H7 looks actually fast 2018-01-06T21:56:09 < Laurenceb_> F7 looks annoyingly superscalar 2018-01-06T21:56:27 < Laurenceb_> but I dunno havent tried optimised code on either 2018-01-06T21:56:38 < jpa-> F7 looked annoying, yeah 2018-01-06T21:59:31 < Steffanx> and why was that? 2018-01-06T21:59:38 < Laurenceb_> I bet asm on F4 is faster than F7 2018-01-06T21:59:46 < Steffanx> because you suddenly had to deal with cache stuff? Yeah that's annoying. 2018-01-06T22:00:15 < aandrew> Steffanx: aha 2018-01-06T22:00:19 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, and it didn't seem that much faster once you factor in all the cache flushing you need for any kind of dma etc. 2018-01-06T22:00:40 < aandrew> mark your DMA areas uncacheable 2018-01-06T22:00:44 < aandrew> (if possible) 2018-01-06T22:01:28 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T22:02:03 < jpa-> most of my crappy code tends to be like uint8_t buf[16] = ...; spi_send(buf); so not so easy to separate dma memory 2018-01-06T22:02:18 < jpa-> of course that already runs into trouble with CCM 2018-01-06T22:04:29 < PaulFertser> Interesting approach used by SDCC: by default all automatic variables (and function arguments starting from the 2nd) are allocated statically. 2018-01-06T22:05:47 < aandrew> jpa-: put the buffer in a known fixed location and configure the cache controller accordingly 2018-01-06T22:05:47 < jpa-> that's pretty much the only sane way on many 8 bit processors like pic 2018-01-06T22:06:32 < jpa-> aandrew: and suddenly you cannot have two instances of that class talking to two spi slaves 2018-01-06T22:06:42 -!- Swappage [~rampage@unaffiliated/swappage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T22:06:54 < aandrew> well you have to plan for what you're doing of course 2018-01-06T22:06:57 < jpa-> yes, it is a solvable problem, but annoying 2018-01-06T22:07:02 < aandrew> nobody said it was transparent or invisible 2018-01-06T22:07:30 < Steffanx> Not something the H7 will magically solve for you right? 2018-01-06T22:07:37 < aandrew> probably end up bulding a separate uncached memory allocator for that kind of puprose 2018-01-06T22:07:46 < jpa-> it's not like it couldn't be made transparent, the dma could easily invalidate cache automatically 2018-01-06T22:08:21 < jpa-> like they did solve the CCM annoyance in F7 by giving it a separate dma port 2018-01-06T22:08:22 < aandrew> well you wouldn't want that memory area to ever hit cache int he first place because that means something else (and likely useful) got evicted to put the useless DMA'd data in there 2018-01-06T22:09:10 < jpa-> you are assuming a very specific access pattern for DMA'd data 2018-01-06T22:09:35 < jpa-> e.g. filesystems will benefit a lot from using cache on the blocks they've read using DMA 2018-01-06T22:09:40 < aandrew> right 2018-01-06T22:10:00 < aandrew> but again... you can't come up with a general approach that will work with everything 2018-01-06T22:10:27 < jpa-> easy enough to come up with one that works for 90% 2018-01-06T22:13:19 < jpa-> the CCM/TCM access port for DMA that ST added on F7/H7 is a good example - only purpose is to make software development less annoying 2018-01-06T22:14:16 < Laurenceb_> H7 solves the problem by being crazy fast 2018-01-06T22:14:31 < zyp> solves what problem? 2018-01-06T22:14:54 < zyp> no point in getting a faster cpu if you're just gonna run more bloated code on it 2018-01-06T22:15:45 < jpa-> the hardware semaphore periph on H7 looks weird, why would anyone use that when you can just use cortex-m atomic instructions 2018-01-06T22:16:30 < zyp> got a reference on that? 2018-01-06T22:16:39 < zyp> url and page number, or something 2018-01-06T22:17:06 < jpa-> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/group0/c9/a3/76/fa/55/46/45/fa/DM00314099/files/DM00314099.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00314099.pdf page 470 2018-01-06T22:18:18 < jpa-> MDMA, BDMA, DMA1, DMA2, DMA2D; this thing has a lots of DMA controllers :P 2018-01-06T22:18:51 < jpa-> fortunately they still have CRC_IDR, i would have been angry if they'd remove that 2018-01-06T22:19:17 < zyp> :) 2018-01-06T22:20:20 < zyp> that HSEM block is obviously designed for multicore systems 2018-01-06T22:20:44 < zyp> «When the lock bit is ‘1’ the semaphore is locked and the MasterID indicates which AHB bus master has locked it. The ProcessID indicates which process of that AHB bus master has locked the semaphore.» 2018-01-06T22:21:11 < zyp> that sentence doesn't make sense if a single cpu is the only master capable of locking it 2018-01-06T22:21:47 < jpa-> you could lock it with DMA writes :P 2018-01-06T22:22:08 < zyp> well 2018-01-06T22:22:49 < zyp> does any of the DMA engines have chaining? 2018-01-06T22:23:11 < zyp> if so, you could lock it, start a dma-job, and dma-job finishes by unlocking it 2018-01-06T22:23:14 < zyp> :p 2018-01-06T22:23:27 < jpa-> MDMA linked list mode perhaps? 2018-01-06T22:23:52 < jpa-> MDMA seems like it might also do something about caches 2018-01-06T22:24:46 < zyp> «The HSEM allows only authorized AHB bus master IDs to lock and unlock semaphores.» 2018-01-06T22:25:11 < zyp> and according to the table on page 477, CPU is the only authorized master ID 2018-01-06T22:25:19 < zyp> so… eh :p 2018-01-06T22:25:32 < zyp> I assume they stole it from a multicore chip 2018-01-06T22:25:50 < jpa-> or want some compatibility with some future multicore chip 2018-01-06T22:25:57 < jpa-> but yeah, seems pretty useless for now 2018-01-06T22:26:20 < zyp> would be fun to have something like lpc43xx 2018-01-06T22:26:23 < zyp> just sanely designed 2018-01-06T22:27:14 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2018-01-06T22:27:27 < jpa-> these cpus are getting too complex 2018-01-06T22:29:12 < kaa> go 8051 2018-01-06T22:29:20 < kaa> simple times 2018-01-06T22:29:25 < kaa> back then 2018-01-06T22:42:53 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T22:43:18 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T22:44:20 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-06T22:46:47 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T23:04:00 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-06T23:04:55 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T23:05:09 < emeb> two M7 cores would be nice. I could think of some things to do with that. 2018-01-06T23:05:56 < Steffanx> Even some [M0+/M3/M4..]/M7 combination could be useful. 2018-01-06T23:06:01 < Steffanx> Like those fancy LPCs 2018-01-06T23:06:06 < emeb> true 2018-01-06T23:06:52 < emeb> a lot of my designs divide up nicely into tasks that could be done on smaller and largr cores 2018-01-06T23:07:44 < Steffanx> i hear xmos xcore. :P 2018-01-06T23:07:55 < emeb> lol xmos 2018-01-06T23:08:02 < emeb> I've got one of their devboards here. 2018-01-06T23:08:12 < emeb> did a little fooling around with it a while back 2018-01-06T23:09:16 < emeb> Only place I've seen xmos used commercially are in audiophool USB DACs 2018-01-06T23:09:30 < emeb> which you can buy from china suppliers for cheap. 2018-01-06T23:10:01 < emeb> I suppose that's because xmos has a decent USB Audio class driver that they give away. 2018-01-06T23:11:25 < Steffanx> hah, ok. I've never seen the, 2018-01-06T23:15:23 < emeb> https://github.com/RealJTG/Meltdown 2018-01-06T23:15:44 < kaa> I was looking for current tranformer for energy meter 2018-01-06T23:16:04 < kaa> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Boeing-777-Bendix-Current-Transformer-Differential-Protection-3-Phase-115-200V/131127651666 this might do 2018-01-06T23:17:03 < kaa> "boeing 777" 2018-01-06T23:17:12 < kaa> date of manuf 1/80 2018-01-06T23:26:48 < Laurenceb_> I've never had a problem that needed >1 core tbh 2018-01-06T23:27:00 < Laurenceb_> unless you could over 9000 usb babby shake sensors 2018-01-06T23:28:16 < kaa> emeb, is it even safe to open computer now? 2018-01-06T23:29:20 < kaa> hah 2018-01-06T23:29:32 < kaa> nice 2018-01-06T23:38:21 < emeb> Laurenceb_: I've got some products that could use more cycles than a full-rate F7 can provide. 2018-01-06T23:38:45 < emeb> splitting the tasks between a couple cores would help a lot 2018-01-06T23:42:53 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-06T23:43:56 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T23:50:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T23:52:33 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-06T23:59:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] --- Day changed Sun Jan 07 2018 2018-01-07T00:06:05 < kaa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9TlaYxoOO8 music times 2018-01-07T00:16:51 < Steffanx> Will you make an in-the-air vacuum cleaner your new house too, kaa ? 2018-01-07T00:17:07 < kaa> no 2018-01-07T00:17:12 < kaa> just buy everything 2018-01-07T00:17:13 < Steffanx> :( 2018-01-07T00:17:16 < kaa> so boring 2018-01-07T00:18:07 < kaa> recommd movie for the night? 2018-01-07T00:19:21 < Steffanx> valerian and the city of a thousand planets 2018-01-07T00:19:50 < stvn> hi steffan 2018-01-07T00:20:03 < kaa> you liked it Steffanx? 2018-01-07T00:20:06 < Steffanx> Did bladerunner 2049 yet kaa? 2018-01-07T00:20:12 < Steffanx> Wasnt too bad kaa 2018-01-07T00:20:16 < Steffanx> Welcome stvn 2018-01-07T00:20:35 < stvn> ty 2018-01-07T00:20:41 < stvn> happy stroopwafel day sir 2018-01-07T00:20:42 < kaa> Steffanx, in shitty 3d theatre experience 2018-01-07T00:21:06 < kaa> laptop experience is the best 2018-01-07T00:21:17 < Steffanx> Better not watch Dunkirk. Was totally disappointed by it 2018-01-07T00:21:27 < kaa> I did not 2018-01-07T00:22:07 < englishman> kaa: dunkirk 2018-01-07T00:22:16 < englishman> good flying scenes 2018-01-07T00:22:21 < Steffanx> Fuck no. Waste of time movie 2018-01-07T00:22:25 < englishman> i agree 2018-01-07T00:22:29 < englishman> but good flying scenes 2018-01-07T00:22:29 < kaa> I saw the flying scenes 2018-01-07T00:22:46 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-07T00:26:40 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:3c82:36b0:685b:14da] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T00:27:19 < MrMobius> that guys plane stayed in the air a good 10 minutes after he ran out of gas 0_0 2018-01-07T00:29:09 < kaa> did he have 15000feet altitude? 2018-01-07T00:30:28 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T00:49:09 < stvn> cats 2018-01-07T00:50:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-07T00:52:19 < Steffanx> How many? 2018-01-07T00:57:03 < englishman> all 2018-01-07T00:59:53 < stvn> steffan is cat man too 2018-01-07T01:00:08 < Steffanx> Lies. 2018-01-07T01:00:53 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T01:01:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-07T01:02:00 < stvn> ty 2018-01-07T01:08:10 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-07T01:08:41 < kaa> is there a tool to detect meltdown and spectre exploitation in executeable binary? 2018-01-07T01:09:04 < kaa> I wonder if virus scanners could do that 2018-01-07T01:09:57 < stvn> there would be a million ways to obfuscate such a simple thing yeah? 2018-01-07T01:11:00 < Steffanx> I read somewhere thats pretty hard to do kaa. They'll have to do binary matching. 2018-01-07T01:11:07 < Steffanx> And what stvn said 2018-01-07T01:12:02 < kaa> where do I get latest microcode for my intel? 2018-01-07T01:12:52 < stvn> the operating system takes care of that 2018-01-07T01:13:28 < kaa> when? 2018-01-07T01:13:38 < stvn> i'm sure you know spectre/methlab isn't fixable by microcode 2018-01-07T01:13:47 < kaa> yes 2018-01-07T01:13:49 < stvn> oh i mean meltdown 2018-01-07T01:13:59 < kaa> when do we throw away our computers? 2018-01-07T01:14:06 < stvn> now 2018-01-07T01:14:06 < kaa> and all buy new ones 2018-01-07T01:14:12 < stvn> go back to 80486 2018-01-07T01:14:22 < stvn> nobody needs any of this superscalar bullshit 2018-01-07T01:14:30 < stvn> we'll just overclock to 100ghz 2018-01-07T01:14:42 < Steffanx> microsoft already released some patches kaa. At least for Meltdown i believe 2018-01-07T01:14:56 < Steffanx> And for windows 10, not sure about the others. 2018-01-07T01:15:05 < kaa> is there cases of exploits actually being used? 2018-01-07T01:15:59 < stvn> they will be patching w7 and later 2018-01-07T01:16:14 < stvn> kaa i believe proof of concept exists 2018-01-07T01:16:16 < kaa> for sure exploits have been used for years 2018-01-07T01:16:38 < stvn> yeah i couldn't believe how simple, count on NSA niggers doing it for years 2018-01-07T01:16:45 < kaa> but only at very small scale 2018-01-07T01:16:52 < kaa> very very carefully 2018-01-07T01:17:08 < stvn> any privilege escalation is dangerous in the wrong hands 2018-01-07T01:17:25 < kaa> you don't want to leak your biggest asset by just spreading it around 2018-01-07T01:17:54 < stvn> it'd be a cold day in hell before i believe google was the first to discover it 2018-01-07T01:23:17 < kaa> and when did they discover it? 2018-01-07T01:23:35 < stvn> probably mid 2017 2018-01-07T01:26:37 < stvn> i'd be concerned if i was running some international crime syndicate to overthrow the government..... but.... i'm not.. 2018-01-07T01:27:25 < stvn> also I dump any excess cash into jewgold 2018-01-07T01:31:28 < kaa> only if you had some kind of platform to deploy your exploit on that does all kind of communication without raising suspections and only if everybody used it 2018-01-07T01:37:16 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-07T02:00:36 < jadew`> just finished reorganizing my lab 2018-01-07T02:00:42 < jadew`> I have mixed feelings about it 2018-01-07T02:06:12 -!- _enhering_ [~enhering@179.185.176.120] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T02:07:46 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:3c82:36b0:685b:14da] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-07T02:17:10 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-07T02:18:17 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T02:19:08 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has quit [] 2018-01-07T02:20:15 -!- _enhering_ [~enhering@179.185.176.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-07T02:22:56 < stvn> better get eevblog approval 2018-01-07T02:23:20 < stvn> i'm going to nigger up a new lab soon 2018-01-07T02:23:58 < jadew`> R2COM, it's a bit messy cuz I didn't put the small bits back to their place 2018-01-07T02:29:34 < stvn> whip it out 2018-01-07T02:30:41 < jadew`> ok, incoming 2018-01-07T02:31:22 * Laurenceb_ is failing at c 2018-01-07T02:31:32 < Laurenceb_> double a[2][2]; 2018-01-07T02:31:41 < Laurenceb_> ^ I can index that using a[3] right? 2018-01-07T02:32:10 < Laurenceb_> error: pointer value used where a floating point value was expected 2018-01-07T02:32:31 < Thorn> a[3] will be double* not double 2018-01-07T02:33:03 < Laurenceb_> why? 2018-01-07T02:33:09 < Thorn> C 2018-01-07T02:33:13 < Laurenceb_> reee 2018-01-07T02:33:27 < Laurenceb_> but I will be indexing a[1][1] ? 2018-01-07T02:33:52 < jadew`> R2COM, http://5.12.158.28/stuff/lab.jpg 2018-01-07T02:34:06 < Laurenceb_> *(a[3])=5 is the same as a[1][1]=3 ? 2018-01-07T02:35:36 < stvn> quite a hoard of test equipment there and no metcal or jbc sodering station? 2018-01-07T02:35:50 < jadew`> stvn, I don't solder that much 2018-01-07T02:36:41 < Thorn> if I'm not mistaken, a[1] is a pointer to the (start of) 2nd array of 2 floats, a[3] is a pointer that points past the end of data (where the 4th array would be) 2018-01-07T02:38:02 < Thorn> you want something like double* b = &a[0][0]; b[3] 2018-01-07T02:38:55 < jadew`> Laurenceb, why the hell would *(a[3])=5 be the same with a[1][1]=3? 2018-01-07T02:40:07 < stvn> i'm cunfused 2018-01-07T02:40:19 < jadew`> Laurenceb_, what are you trying to do? 2018-01-07T02:40:51 < Laurenceb_> rewrite my methlab codein c 2018-01-07T02:40:55 < Laurenceb_> funtimes 2018-01-07T02:41:03 < branjb> make c code as obscure as possible 2018-01-07T02:41:09 < Laurenceb_> I think I have the data read write working 2018-01-07T02:41:10 < stvn> oh you use methlab too? 2018-01-07T02:41:11 < stvn> also https://www.digikey.com/en/news/press-releases/2017/aug/digi-key-adds-kicad-pcb-model-download 2018-01-07T02:41:14 < Laurenceb_> but the answer is nan 2018-01-07T02:42:13 < jadew`> Laurenceb_, if you want to assign a[1][1] to 3, you can do a[1][1] = 3 2018-01-07T02:42:16 < jadew`> what's stopping you? 2018-01-07T02:42:29 < jadew`> you want to iterate with a pointer? 2018-01-07T02:42:56 < BrainDamage> if your matrix has fixed size just index by a[n*linesize+m] to index a 2d array to 1d 2018-01-07T02:43:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah just wanted it to be simpler that all 2018-01-07T02:43:38 < BrainDamage> but really, just use 2d coordinates, rest is just obfuscation 2018-01-07T02:44:17 < stvn> fucking matlab 2018-01-07T02:45:12 < jadew`> Laurenceb_, btw, arrays start at 0 in C 2018-01-07T02:45:13 < jadew`> not 1 2018-01-07T02:45:23 < stvn> i've never once entertained the idea of making matlab spit out C 2018-01-07T02:45:39 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-07T02:45:42 < BrainDamage> there's actually methlab to c compiler toolboxes 2018-01-07T02:45:44 < Laurenceb_> it seems to be working... 2018-01-07T02:45:52 < Laurenceb_> but not giving the same results 2018-01-07T02:45:57 < Laurenceb_> its 10^4 times faster 2018-01-07T02:46:10 < Thorn> working == not crashing? 2018-01-07T02:46:23 < stvn> for a program one pays so much for.... awesome... 2018-01-07T02:46:42 * jadew` uses octave 2018-01-07T02:46:50 < jadew`> opensource ftw 2018-01-07T02:48:04 < jadew`> sure, the graphig library sucks and crashes often, but it's free 2018-01-07T02:48:26 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: yeah 2018-01-07T02:48:53 < jadew`> R2COM, there's no reason not to use c++ now 2018-01-07T02:49:04 < jadew`> I guess I could be arsed to convert my functions 2018-01-07T02:49:11 < Thorn> Laurenceb_: you just haven't hit the end of the page or a return address on the stack yet lol 2018-01-07T02:49:27 < Thorn> step through your code and look at your array with a debugger 2018-01-07T02:49:27 < jadew`> but there's also the fact that you don't have to wait for it to compile 2018-01-07T02:49:33 < Thorn> you will be surprised 2018-01-07T02:49:34 < jadew`> you can run a bunch of functions fast 2018-01-07T02:49:48 < BrainDamage> you're probably still reading garbage, you just didn't escape what the os allocated as boundary for your program 2018-01-07T02:50:02 < BrainDamage> so no protection has been triggered 2018-01-07T02:56:14 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/1eHdRmNQ 2018-01-07T02:56:21 < Laurenceb_> this is about 3 lines of matlab :S 2018-01-07T02:56:37 < Laurenceb_> I suspect there is a typo somewhere 2018-01-07T02:56:49 < Laurenceb_> results are kind of sane but well off from matlab 2018-01-07T02:57:09 < Thorn> are you reading/writing binary data? 2018-01-07T02:57:19 < Thorn> you need "rb"/"wb" on weendows 2018-01-07T02:57:35 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman 2018-01-07T02:57:35 < Laurenceb_> this is lunix 2018-01-07T03:01:01 < stvn> direction cos matrix ooooooooooh 2018-01-07T03:01:09 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T03:02:18 < Laurenceb_> oh wait I screwed up the renormalize 2018-01-07T03:06:46 < Laurenceb_> hmm but thats not the difference 2018-01-07T03:06:49 < Laurenceb_> perplexing 2018-01-07T03:13:46 -!- ccole [~cole@cpe-174-104-217-206.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T03:14:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T03:14:54 -!- ccole [~cole@cpe-174-104-217-206.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-07T03:57:09 < dongs> is someone autisming 2018-01-07T04:00:29 < Laurenceb_> The crux of the matter is that men live and work in a brutal patriarchy, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter. 2018-01-07T04:00:39 < Laurenceb_> the patriarchy did matlab 2018-01-07T04:21:02 < stvn> lol 2018-01-07T04:21:58 < emeb> Kick Matlab to the curb - use python + numpy + scipy + matplotlib 2018-01-07T04:22:08 < emeb> It's slower but it's open source! 2018-01-07T04:22:15 < stvn> wut replaces simulink 2018-01-07T04:22:32 < emeb> errr.... :) 2018-01-07T04:22:47 < emeb> I try to avoid using simulink, even though I've got a license. 2018-01-07T04:23:07 < emeb> lol 2018-01-07T04:23:48 < emeb> I tried doing a DSP simulation with python a while back. It worked, but it was kinda annoying. 2018-01-07T04:24:12 < stvn> stonertronics - "Copper wire was invented when two Jews found the same penny." 2018-01-07T04:24:50 < stvn> nuh still funny if i haven't heard it in a year or so 2018-01-07T04:25:03 < emeb> I made a home-made time / freq plotting utility in GTK a long time ago. It worked pretty well - used a fast FFT library. 2018-01-07T04:25:16 < emeb> was handy for doing ASIC design 2018-01-07T04:28:05 < emeb> stvn: maybe one could replace Simulink with the GNU Radio GUI 2018-01-07T04:28:23 < stvn> i'd rather die 2018-01-07T04:28:24 < emeb> that's got block-diagram functionality & DSP. :P 2018-01-07T04:28:38 < stvn> model predictive control toolbox? 2018-01-07T04:28:43 < emeb> heh 2018-01-07T04:29:00 < emeb> (not serious of course) 2018-01-07T04:29:11 < stvn> :3 2018-01-07T04:31:08 < emeb> lolwut - recursive? 2018-01-07T04:32:05 < emeb> line 43 - calls itself? 2018-01-07T04:33:02 < emeb> haha 2018-01-07T04:34:39 < emeb> better 2018-01-07T04:39:48 < aandrew> wow that's pretty tiny 2018-01-07T05:03:22 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T05:07:20 < stvn> megarams 2018-01-07T05:12:32 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-07T05:14:01 < dongs> < R2COM> https://www.paste.org/89850 2018-01-07T05:14:05 < dongs> > using std::vector 2018-01-07T05:14:10 < dongs> automatically fucking fired 2018-01-07T05:14:11 < stvn> don't click this https://pics.me.me/ノ-イ-r-기기가n-flexible-pepe-2698248.png 2018-01-07T05:14:22 < dongs> you cant click it anyway 2018-01-07T05:14:28 < dongs> ? is not a valid url character 2018-01-07T05:15:02 < stvn> worksforme.txt 2018-01-07T05:15:59 < stvn> again don't click this https://i.imgur.com/Ap3xegq.png 2018-01-07T05:17:40 < dongs> anything with "pepe" in it is going to be fucking boring 2018-01-07T05:19:22 < stvn> yeah 2018-01-07T05:20:04 < stvn> niggers robbed my friend's local service station 2018-01-07T05:20:20 < stvn> they're doing all sorts of shit in .au 2018-01-07T05:20:29 < stvn> these sudanese peanut brained duds 2018-01-07T05:22:46 < dongs> ban all immigrants 2018-01-07T05:22:51 < dongs> more countries should be like japan 2018-01-07T05:22:53 < dongs> dont let any garbage in 2018-01-07T05:23:01 < dongs> when was the last time japs had a muslim terrorist attack? 2018-01-07T05:23:02 < dongs> thats right. 2018-01-07T05:23:15 < stvn> that's what i really like about japan 2018-01-07T05:23:23 < stvn> they're super weary about white cunts too 2018-01-07T05:23:48 < dongs> they made a mistake with logan paul but I think he's now bant for life from ever coming back 2018-01-07T05:23:48 < stvn> cause there are a lot of white niggers too 2018-01-07T05:33:51 < Laurenceb_> lul the typo was in my matlab codez 2018-01-07T05:33:55 < Laurenceb_> its working now 2018-01-07T05:34:30 < Laurenceb_> yeah but Logan Paul gave us epin memes 2018-01-07T05:35:04 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/328/320/d2f.png 2018-01-07T05:37:14 < stvn> ok 2018-01-07T05:37:21 < stvn> glad your code works 2018-01-07T05:38:04 < Laurenceb_> "works" 2018-01-07T05:38:20 < Laurenceb_> still needs moar input checking and stuff 2018-01-07T05:38:31 < stvn> mod my ps2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFl9C4u4bOM 2018-01-07T05:39:07 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/MKt7QVGu 2018-01-07T05:39:18 < Laurenceb_> gyro cal estimated error is YUGGE 2018-01-07T05:39:30 < Laurenceb_> dunno if thats just my error estimator yet 2018-01-07T05:39:39 < Laurenceb_> gain values are quite consistent 2018-01-07T05:39:57 < stvn> yeah good to see your thermonuclear program is going ahead 2018-01-07T05:40:35 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:2416:6216:ac5c:2d4b] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T05:41:25 < Laurenceb_> looks like ST mismatch x,y axes with z 2018-01-07T05:41:57 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/d61ab14322/73736.png 2018-01-07T05:42:06 < Laurenceb_> z noise slightly higher too 2018-01-07T05:44:07 < stvn> are you happy 2018-01-07T05:45:44 < Laurenceb_> more or less 2018-01-07T05:45:52 < Laurenceb_> I don't understand the purpose of any of this 2018-01-07T05:46:04 < Laurenceb_> but I was asked to "calibrate", so I calibrated 2018-01-07T05:46:50 < stvn> better calibrate 2018-01-07T05:47:30 < stvn> i must execute project fuck my arse bbs 2018-01-07T05:47:32 < Laurenceb_> you say "CALIBRATE" 2018-01-07T05:47:33 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-07T05:47:37 < Laurenceb_> I say "how well?" 2018-01-07T05:49:36 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T05:56:05 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-07T05:56:44 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T06:02:33 < stvn> i'm jewing out 2018-01-07T06:03:11 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2018-01-07T06:03:19 < stvn> later 2018-01-07T06:03:21 < Laurenceb_> hopefully I can sleep :S 2018-01-07T06:03:26 < stvn> don't do drugs 2018-01-07T06:03:33 * Laurenceb_ pulled a muscle in his neck cleaning his car 2018-01-07T06:03:48 < Laurenceb_> now my head is at 30 degrees 2018-01-07T06:05:06 < stvn> i'm trying to find the bad ram 2018-01-07T06:05:13 < stvn> so i don't have to buy more 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##stm32 2018-01-07T07:38:38 < englishman> ti'dongs new car https://i.imgur.com/h88bt49.jpg 2018-01-07T07:42:13 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T07:42:20 < stvn> kone 2018-01-07T07:42:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T07:53:09 -!- lomas [~lomas@27.34.20.200] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T07:53:42 < stvn> ah 2018-01-07T07:53:48 < stvn> what's up... not much 2018-01-07T07:54:33 < stvn> i'm thinking of doing 2018 alcohol free 2018-01-07T07:54:48 < stvn> easy enough 2018-01-07T07:54:53 < stvn> tonight will be 7 days 2018-01-07T07:54:55 < stvn> nope 2018-01-07T07:55:15 < stvn> could do 2018-01-07T07:55:33 < stvn> good stuff doesn't come around frequently 2018-01-07T07:55:59 < lomas> that is great stvn, support from my side :) 2018-01-07T07:56:18 < stvn> well thanks! 2018-01-07T07:56:29 < stvn> a few years ago i did 365 days off with no sweat 2018-01-07T07:56:52 < lomas> I guess no bears at all too. 2018-01-07T07:56:56 < lomas> *beers 2018-01-07T07:57:08 < stvn> it is odd when people offer you a drink 10 times in one night, and every time you have to remind them you don't drink 2018-01-07T07:57:51 < stvn> all in all it amuses me, a LOT of people are uncomfortable about the idea you don't suffer the same addiction they do 2018-01-07T07:58:01 < lomas> Yeah. And it feels like people offering you the drink much humbly than at the you used to drink :D 2018-01-07T07:58:12 < lomas> *at the time 2018-01-07T07:58:17 < stvn> heh 2018-01-07T07:58:20 < stvn> that t oo 2018-01-07T07:58:40 < stvn> it seems to be like this whole country is ON THE PISS frequently 2018-01-07T07:59:18 < stvn> it's fun because almost nobody can do it 2018-01-07T07:59:28 < stvn> .au is full to the brim with alcoholics 2018-01-07T08:00:22 < stvn> yeah 2018-01-07T08:00:46 < stvn> because it don't matter 2018-01-07T08:00:54 < lomas> So in this case my openion is being middle person with the theory of occation, partiality is much bad. 2018-01-07T08:01:28 < stvn> 9 / 10 people want to drink! drink! drink!!!! 2018-01-07T08:01:31 < lomas> Its better either to do it completely or quite it completely. The boolean logic LD 2018-01-07T08:01:42 < stvn> yeah 2018-01-07T08:02:00 < lomas> Hey, I got some problem in my STM32 RTC. Would be great if you people help me point what un-even I am writing on my software. 2018-01-07T08:02:49 < lomas> My RTC stops the ticks on Vbat supply. 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2018-01-07T13:00:44 < invzim> 10% more for double sided or so 2018-01-07T13:01:11 < invzim> was thinking of redesigning for single side, but then I would need bigger pcb and smaller drills - so meh 2018-01-07T13:02:25 < dongs> double sided assembly makes your shit look mega non pro 2018-01-07T13:02:51 < dongs> its like "i was too fucking lazy to make shit correctly, so I just put crap on both sides 2018-01-07T13:03:12 < stvn> sounds like the garbage I had to service 2018-01-07T13:03:39 -!- Streake_ [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T13:04:26 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-07T13:04:35 < invzim> got a zillion decoupling caps (fpga) etc, so nice to stick it on bottom 2018-01-07T13:05:21 < invzim> for 0402 decoupling, 0.25mm drills are the way to go? 2018-01-07T13:06:26 < dongs> .. no 2018-01-07T13:06:36 < dongs> 0.3 is more than enough 2018-01-07T13:06:43 < dongs> 0.25 is extra premium in most services 2018-01-07T13:07:08 < invzim> I know, but layout will be pretty klunky with 0.3/0.6 via's 2018-01-07T13:07:13 < dongs> 0.3/0.5 2018-01-07T13:07:25 < dongs> then you suck at layout 2018-01-07T13:07:33 < dongs> think of the assembly children! 2018-01-07T13:07:41 < stvn> lol 2018-01-07T13:09:08 < invzim> hm, I'm actually using 0.3/0.6 2018-01-07T13:09:21 < invzim> no caveats with 0.3/0.5? 2018-01-07T13:09:23 < dongs> see, you dont even know what youre doing 2018-01-07T13:09:25 < dongs> yeah works fine 2018-01-07T13:09:35 < dongs> most places need >= 1.54 from drill for anal ring 2018-01-07T13:13:09 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-23b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T13:13:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-23b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-07T13:16:16 < invzim> I'll try 0.3/0.5 and 0402 in the future, now I got a working hw after 4 revs with double side and 0.3/0.6 and 0603 2018-01-07T13:16:21 < invzim> can't be assed to redo it 2018-01-07T13:16:34 < dongs> youre not even using 0402? well shit. 2018-01-07T13:16:44 < dongs> sorry for your lots 2018-01-07T13:16:56 < invzim> this was started way before I got a microscope :) 2018-01-07T13:16:59 < jpa-> 4 or 6 layers? 2018-01-07T13:17:14 < invzim> queue "I can solder 0201 with a weller 60w in the dark" 2018-01-07T13:17:19 < invzim> 4 layer 2018-01-07T13:19:19 < dongs> i once bought 0603 caps by mistake 2018-01-07T13:19:21 < invzim> I probably should learn the impedance matching/control stuff too 2018-01-07T13:19:27 < dongs> not 1608, but 0603 2018-01-07T13:19:54 < jpa-> been there done that, 0201 is pretty tiny 2018-01-07T13:20:12 < invzim> dongs: you have the neoden4? 2018-01-07T13:20:19 < dongs> pal does yes 2018-01-07T13:20:30 < invzim> good stuff? 2018-01-07T13:20:34 < dongs> not at all 2018-01-07T13:20:40 < dongs> feeder management is complete garbage 2018-01-07T13:20:45 < dongs> software is cocks but at least being updated 2018-01-07T13:20:59 < invzim> better options for same money? 2018-01-07T13:21:05 < dongs> none 2018-01-07T13:21:10 < dongs> send your shit off to china to get made 2018-01-07T13:21:40 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-07T13:21:51 < dongs> unless youre planning to start a dicknplace business, its not worth having your own machine 2018-01-07T13:21:59 < invzim> for small runs (50-100), a pnp would be nice 2018-01-07T13:22:21 < dongs> sure. well, neodick works for that 2018-01-07T13:22:33 < dongs> as long as you dont mind garbage software. 2018-01-07T13:22:44 < dongs> or ask what englishmang uses, i think he beat some sense into the chinks with his machine 2018-01-07T13:22:48 < invzim> dicking about with quotes for assembly is turning into a PITA 2018-01-07T13:22:50 < dongs> so they probably made it more usable than ever 2018-01-07T13:23:01 < dongs> invzim: you could also have me do it but then it wouldnt be cheap 2018-01-07T13:23:08 < dongs> and I would bitch at you about double sided shit 2018-01-07T13:23:22 < dongs> and complain about your board not being dfm-ready 2018-01-07T13:23:45 < invzim> I'm not a business, low volume hobby stuff, so cheap is a high priority 2018-01-07T13:24:16 < invzim> best way would probably to be physically present in China 2018-01-07T13:25:00 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T13:25:39 < invzim> things must be changing when the assembly houses just stuff your bom into digi-key and quote you that (pcbway) 2018-01-07T13:25:58 < invzim> pcbcart you can actually talk to, but charge a bit more 2018-01-07T13:26:42 < dongs> how many different value resistors/caps do you have on your board 2018-01-07T13:27:32 < invzim> Parts 154 2018-01-07T13:27:32 < invzim> Unique 43 2018-01-07T13:28:10 < invzim> 8 different resistors, 10 different caps 2018-01-07T13:28:28 < dongs> not too terrible then 2018-01-07T13:28:37 < invzim> 52x0.1uf 2018-01-07T13:28:52 < dongs> just make sure not to specify any particular resistor/cap brands for that shit 2018-01-07T13:29:23 < invzim> the biggest pita, not with this board tho, is connectors 2018-01-07T14:27:58 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-07T14:31:18 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T14:43:18 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-07T14:45:18 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T14:54:59 < karlp> tradigifig? 2018-01-07T14:55:07 < dongs> i tried googling that too. 2018-01-07T14:55:08 < stvn> hi sir 2018-01-07T14:55:13 < karlp> nvm, was lost in the scrollback 2018-01-07T14:55:34 < dongs> i think its Tradfri 2018-01-07T14:55:35 < dongs> or someshit 2018-01-07T14:56:18 < Steffanx> TRÅDFRI yes, karlp 2018-01-07T14:56:35 < Steffanx> always forget what's after the TRÅD for some reason 2018-01-07T14:58:11 < Steffanx> oh, it actually means wire-free, i can remember that. 2018-01-07T14:58:55 < zyp> it does 2018-01-07T15:08:41 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T15:52:11 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:6848:3be5:375:9c7f] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T15:56:05 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-07T16:09:24 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T16:30:37 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T16:47:22 -!- mervaka [~mervaka@mervaka.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2018-01-07T16:58:21 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-07T17:24:13 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-amaechpmkszfnwyd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-07T17:24:50 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T18:06:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T18:46:45 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.166] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T18:46:45 -!- kow__ [~Ensign@135.0.26.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-07T18:57:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-07T19:02:28 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-07T19:02:29 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T19:28:55 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-07T19:33:16 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T19:35:26 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T19:38:25 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T19:42:58 < branjb> are decoupling caps on the bottom non pro? 2018-01-07T19:47:31 < Laurenceb_> >Donald Trump will be coming to the UK on a state visit, the prime minster has confirmed. 2018-01-07T19:47:35 < Laurenceb_> this gunna b good 2018-01-07T19:47:51 < Laurenceb_> which side of the riot should I be on? 2018-01-07T19:47:54 < branjb> you going Laurenceb_? 2018-01-07T19:48:23 < BrainDamage> why joining the riot, be the sniper a km away 2018-01-07T19:55:22 < zyp> branjb, for bga parts, decoupling parts on the bottom is the proest way, if you can make it fit 2018-01-07T19:56:08 < zyp> the main reason to not have decoupling caps on bottom is to avoid having to do double sided assembly, to save money 2018-01-07T19:57:01 < branjb> R2COM gun show in tuscon today 2018-01-07T20:08:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-07T20:14:27 -!- kaa [~Janne@dyt4yz0zglpknzd3mtq2t-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-07T20:18:57 < emeb> "all the time here" is no joke. 2018-01-07T20:19:23 < emeb> but the drive to Tucson is so... scenic! 2018-01-07T20:21:21 -!- kaa [~Janne@78-27-109-99.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T20:31:16 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:6848:3be5:375:9c7f] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-07T20:35:05 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-07T20:35:33 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T20:44:25 -!- kaa [~Janne@78-27-109-99.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-07T20:45:00 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-07T20:46:41 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should play both sides 2018-01-07T20:47:08 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T20:48:38 < PaulFertser> When and where did you learn the meaning of \aleph_0 ? Is it something that ~every engineer knows? 2018-01-07T20:52:32 < Steffanx> Who is that a question to PaulFertser? 2018-01-07T20:54:02 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: everybody willing to answer, tia. 2018-01-07T20:55:45 < englishman> its a bad anime, no? 2018-01-07T20:56:28 < englishman> jk of course, it was lightly touched on for 5 minutes in a number theory course but nobody is expected to remember this unless its somehow needed for some fundamental 2018-01-07T20:56:54 < PaulFertser> Some "futurama" episode featured an \aleph_{0}-plex cinema theatre and our stupid translators understood it as ten-plex which is obviously missing the joke. So I wanted to know how understandable it in the other parts of the world. 2018-01-07T20:56:55 < englishman> maybe at some higher level bridging engineering and science. 2018-01-07T20:58:07 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-07T20:58:28 < BrainDamage> i remember going trough aleph numbers in calculus 4, but I'd espect everyone to have since forgotten them unless working on specific math-oriented subjects 2018-01-07T20:59:43 < PaulFertser> So basically that joke is really for math geeks only. Heh, ok. But they shouldn't be wasting time watching futurama. 2018-01-07T21:01:10 < Steffanx> should you? 2018-01-07T21:01:14 < BrainDamage> it's actually full of all sort of obscure jokes or references 2018-01-07T21:01:17 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T21:01:27 < BrainDamage> eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner_of_Benda#The_theorem 2018-01-07T21:01:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T21:02:23 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'm not a math geek, and a lost cause anyway. 2018-01-07T21:02:34 < englishman> good episode 2018-01-07T21:02:52 < Steffanx> hah, i guess that's why we're all in ##stm32 PaulFertser 2018-01-07T21:03:17 < BrainDamage> imo the fact that they are obscure is no big deal 2018-01-07T21:03:20 < Steffanx> re "lost cause" 2018-01-07T21:03:43 < BrainDamage> they either are ignored, or when discovered, if they hit social media they become fantastic advertising 2018-01-07T21:04:05 < BrainDamage> especially with smartasses wanting to 'get it' 2018-01-07T21:07:16 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: wow, wasn't aware of that 2018-01-07T21:13:17 < jpa-> yeah, same here, mentioned briefly somewhere but no-one remembers 2018-01-07T21:16:43 < ohsix> bloop 2018-01-07T21:17:50 < ohsix> there's a book about all the same math/science/lit jokes in the simpsons 2018-01-07T21:18:14 < ohsix> i think more than one 2018-01-07T21:19:03 < ohsix> huh huhuhu, neat @ the proof; i thought that was already something known 2018-01-07T21:19:10 < PaulFertser> I do not remember if it was in our basic university math course but I have certainly read about it in a textbook describing naive set theory, and that was one of the few ideas I was able to actually understand and remember, heh. Thought it's common knowledge though. As in, everybody knows how there's a bijection between naturals and rationals, so same cardinality etc. 2018-01-07T21:20:39 < ohsix> well if you dress it up in fancy words i understand it less 2018-01-07T21:21:06 < ohsix> what's cardinality 2018-01-07T21:21:45 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-07T21:21:50 < ohsix> way back when i was a wee babe i wondered why they had card32 and other types in the x11 protocol 2018-01-07T21:22:12 < PaulFertser> ohsix: something like "how many members are there in this set" but it covers different kind of infinite sets too. 2018-01-07T21:24:05 < PaulFertser> And so, heh, I assumed that most educated people understand "countable" as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countable 2018-01-07T21:25:00 < zyp> «educated» 2018-01-07T21:27:37 < ohsix> you know, only an associates degree 2018-01-07T21:28:35 < ohsix> ok so, i see; i resolved to be confused about why they used cardinality in the datatype in x, not that cardinality was a difficult or obscure thing 2018-01-07T21:31:35 < PaulFertser> So, why was it card32 and not uint32? 2018-01-07T21:32:44 < ohsix> or any other thing, it goes back to the 70s; the uint convention came later 2018-01-07T21:34:40 < ohsix> it could be convention from some of the earlier rpc work 2018-01-07T21:35:25 < PaulFertser> But why card and not natural or something like that? 2018-01-07T21:36:02 < ohsix> no, just the name 2018-01-07T21:40:16 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-07T21:42:00 < ohsix> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/proto/x11proto/tree/Xmd.h 2018-01-07T21:43:07 < ohsix> i could just ask keith packard ... 2018-01-07T21:46:01 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T21:47:03 < ohsix> was just a passing fascination as to what it could possibly mean, from before i had even been on the internet 2018-01-07T21:48:35 < PaulFertser> Well, cardinal numbers are superset of natural numbers, but it's still unclear what was the benefit of using that terminology there. 2018-01-07T21:50:35 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-07T21:51:06 < ohsix> yep 2018-01-07T21:51:23 < ohsix> even knowing what i know now it's still hard to guess what it could be or from 2018-01-07T21:52:38 < PaulFertser> ohsix: hm, probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_number#Motivation explains it 2018-01-07T21:57:00 < ohsix> right 2018-01-07T21:57:25 < ohsix> was it novel that they started at zero? the history of all this is long enough to consider bpcl and other languages in play 2018-01-07T21:58:13 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T22:02:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-07T22:05:29 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-07T22:09:26 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T22:10:52 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/VzHjhYG.gifv 2018-01-07T22:10:58 < upgrdman> legit neat ^ 2018-01-07T22:12:23 < Laurenceb_> reee wtf is wrong with my codez 2018-01-07T22:12:27 < Steffanx> pebkac. 2018-01-07T22:13:05 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/5wk1MGdd 2018-01-07T22:13:19 < Laurenceb_> something is v slightly off in my DCM clonewarez 2018-01-07T22:14:00 < Laurenceb_> like I can move the imu round by a few turns and it will be off by ~6 degrees but matlab clone is <1degree error 2018-01-07T22:14:29 < Laurenceb_> prob something in renormalise 2018-01-07T22:15:56 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/ECdtmb1Y 2018-01-07T22:16:04 < Laurenceb_> the matrices it outputs are slightly goofy 2018-01-07T22:16:24 < Laurenceb_> inverse should == transpose for a rotation matrix 2018-01-07T22:19:09 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-07T22:22:49 < Laurenceb_> memcpy on line 94 fails? 2018-01-07T22:26:23 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T22:30:07 -!- djos_ [~djos@mail.thorondir.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T22:30:33 -!- englishm1 [~englishma@speedy.cloner.services] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T22:31:32 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-07T22:33:12 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah thats it 2018-01-07T22:33:56 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T22:34:18 -!- englishman [~englishma@speedy.cloner.services] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2018-01-07T22:35:06 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Syke, djos, tcurdt, ds2 2018-01-07T22:37:45 -!- kaa [~Janne@dyt4yz0wzm-w36gp-nqmt-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T22:54:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-07T22:57:21 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:01:41 < upgrdman> in cura, with the latest version it seems like it has a little z offset. any setting to fix this? it's as if my bed was slightly too low, compared to an old version of cura. so when printing, the first layer of the raft is just barely touching the bed, sometimes floating over the bed. 2018-01-07T23:02:23 -!- ds2 [~ds2@rehut.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:03:36 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: and if you tell the printer to "home all axis", what's the distance between the bed and extruder end? 2018-01-07T23:04:16 < upgrdman> very close. can barely fit a sheet of paper between 2018-01-07T23:05:00 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: you can check the g-code that cura generates to see it actually uses appropriate Z coords. 2018-01-07T23:05:00 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.82] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:05:00 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.120.250.82] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-07T23:05:00 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:05:28 < PaulFertser> A sheet of paper sounds about right 2018-01-07T23:07:22 -!- Syke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:07:27 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-07T23:09:12 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:09:13 < Laurenceb_> https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ZkE3xB8o8A 2018-01-07T23:10:50 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-07T23:17:17 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: when printing the very first layer, what Z coordinate is displayed on printer lcd? 2018-01-07T23:17:47 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: probably it's just severely underextruding? 2018-01-07T23:17:54 < upgrdman> lcd doesnt show coords 2018-01-07T23:17:59 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:18:10 < upgrdman> but i fixed it the lazy way: releveled, with it feeling tight against the paper :) 2018-01-07T23:18:10 < PaulFertser> So your first layer height is incorrect? What is it set to in your cura settings? 2018-01-07T23:18:21 < upgrdman> i dont know where it is in cura 2018-01-07T23:18:21 < PaulFertser> No auto-level? 2018-01-07T23:18:24 < upgrdman> no 2018-01-07T23:18:27 < upgrdman> cheap printer 2018-01-07T23:19:07 < PaulFertser> I level with a metal feeler gauge (regular automotive tool) 2018-01-07T23:21:09 < aandrew> feeler? I don't even know'er! 2018-01-07T23:23:48 < Steffanx> upgrdman, search for "Initial" in the Print setup. It'll show you all the "Initial" layer stuff. 2018-01-07T23:23:57 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-07T23:24:11 < Steffanx> oh you might have to enable what settings to show in Preferences > Settings 2018-01-07T23:24:13 < upgrdman> well problems fixed now. leveling my bed tighter "fixed" it 2018-01-07T23:24:15 < Steffanx> not sure if its there by default 2018-01-07T23:25:10 < Steffanx> Still cant stand cura with its looooooong list of settings 2018-01-07T23:25:18 < upgrdman> yes 2018-01-07T23:26:01 < upgrdman> yesterday i 3d printed a mount for my nexus4 and set it up as a wifi webcam 2018-01-07T23:26:10 < Steffanx> Even slic3r does it better. 2018-01-07T23:26:47 < upgrdman> i even went full retard and did a youtube video about it. 2018-01-07T23:27:11 < upgrdman> and to make it kawaii, i mounted my phone's charger in the printer chassis. no draping wires FTW 2018-01-07T23:27:13 < Steffanx> Hi to you too. ;) 2018-01-07T23:27:37 < upgrdman> ? hi 2018-01-07T23:28:07 < upgrdman> my austism project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVnmmAIpoNg 2018-01-07T23:28:23 < Steffanx> oh, you said "Hi everyone" in your video. :P 2018-01-07T23:28:30 < Steffanx> too bad i cannot spy on your camera. 2018-01-07T23:28:46 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-07T23:28:57 < upgrdman> ya i turned off port forwarding before i even EDITED the video 2018-01-07T23:29:14 < Steffanx> Doesnt the nexus gets extremely hot with the camera on all the time + led 2018-01-07T23:29:20 < upgrdman> not at all 2018-01-07T23:29:29 < upgrdman> not with droidcam 2018-01-07T23:29:33 < upgrdman> BUT with other apps, yes 2018-01-07T23:29:49 < upgrdman> tried a bunch. some of the apps would crash, and some would actually crash android 2018-01-07T23:30:32 < upgrdman> some were total shit and if you turn off the screen the camera feed would stop 2018-01-07T23:33:06 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:3ce4:feec:1806:f10f] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:37:45 < Steffanx> Should do something similar. Not sure if i still have my old phone 2018-01-07T23:38:04 < upgrdman> i still have my first smartphone. android froyo (2.2, iirc) 2018-01-07T23:38:19 < upgrdman> and i think its cam is just 640x480, lol 2018-01-07T23:38:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-07T23:38:36 < karlp> good luck getting any app to work on itt. 2018-01-07T23:38:41 < upgrdman> inorite 2018-01-07T23:38:52 < upgrdman> that + shit cam = didnt even try it for this project 2018-01-07T23:38:52 < Steffanx> i kept them too for a long time, but ... i cleaned out some drawers few months ago. 2018-01-07T23:38:52 < karlp> dropped my phone in the toiler last night, back on an old anndroid 4.0 phhone for a bit, 2018-01-07T23:39:03 < Steffanx> Not even 4.4? 2018-01-07T23:39:03 < karlp> nothing installs, "android version not supported" 2018-01-07T23:39:09 < karlp> 4.x not sure 2018-01-07T23:39:34 < karlp> 4.4.2 yeah 2018-01-07T23:40:03 < Steffanx> hmm, i think the phone i still have runs tha ttoo 2018-01-07T23:40:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-07T23:42:44 -!- englishm1 is now known as englishman 2018-01-07T23:44:13 -!- Streake_ [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-07T23:49:23 < ohsix> Xmd.h was added between 4.3 and 4.4bsd 2018-01-07T23:49:34 < ohsix> by dec in 1991 2018-01-07T23:51:06 < ohsix> upgrdman: there's usually a test pattern from vendor that shows proper z hop for an initial layer of a given thickness 2018-01-07T23:51:19 < ohsix> z at zero is no bueno for actually printing things 2018-01-07T23:52:14 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-07T23:53:36 < ohsix> The args argument to XtAppInitialize, XtVaAppInitialize, XtOpenDisplay, XtDisplayInitialize, and XtInitialize were changed from Cardinal* to int* to conform to pre-existing convention and avoid otherwise annoying typecasting in ANSI C environments. 2018-01-07T23:53:42 < ohsix> (x11r5 release notes) 2018-01-07T23:58:45 < upgrdman> what is "retraction priming" ? is that like after it retracted, it pushes out htis much before printing again? 2018-01-07T23:58:57 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] --- Day changed Mon Jan 08 2018 2018-01-08T00:00:06 < upgrdman> it seems like sometimes after it retracts and moves, when it prints again there isnt much filament coming out for the first 20 - 40mm 2018-01-08T00:15:40 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-08T00:17:35 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T00:20:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-23b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-08T00:21:14 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-08T00:21:14 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T00:42:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T00:52:12 < Steffanx> Sounds like you are retracting too much upgrdman_ ? 2018-01-08T00:52:41 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T00:53:00 < Steffanx> Will I die from a bad case of dongeritus when i touch an afro esc? 2018-01-08T00:53:22 < upgrdman> Steffanx, k will try a lower value 2018-01-08T00:54:17 < englishman> hehe afroesc 2018-01-08T00:54:30 < englishman> high technology for 2013 2018-01-08T00:54:51 < Steffanx> What hot nowadays, and cheap en englishman ? 2018-01-08T00:54:56 < englishman> not that esc technology has advanced much 2018-01-08T00:54:59 < Steffanx> For 20A max. 2018-01-08T00:55:22 < englishman> no idea 2018-01-08T00:55:45 < englishman> afroesc are fine. and you give money to multiple ##stm32ers 2018-01-08T00:55:56 < Steffanx> Multiple? 2018-01-08T00:56:24 < BrainDamage> isn't simon one of the other contributors 2018-01-08T00:56:55 < Steffanx> Simonk, but is that then simon here? 2018-01-08T00:57:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-08T00:57:33 < englishman> of course 2018-01-08T00:59:07 < Steffanx> Ok 2018-01-08T00:59:21 < BrainDamage> karlp: upgrade to waterproof phone 2018-01-08T01:00:12 < Steffanx> Or just ditch smart phone entirely. Such bad invention 2018-01-08T01:00:19 < Steffanx> Phones* 2018-01-08T01:03:05 < vampi-the-frog> it's smart but it makes you dumb 2018-01-08T01:04:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:05:38 < englishman> 4k ragepberripi for $20 2018-01-08T01:05:44 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Orange-Pi-One-Plus-H6-1GB-Quad-core-64bit-development-board-Support-android7-0-mini-PC/1553371_32848891030.html 2018-01-08T01:05:47 < Steffanx> Mine aint smart vampi-the-frog 2018-01-08T01:06:18 < aandrew> whoa whoa whoa 2018-01-08T01:06:21 < aandrew> hold the phones. Laurenceb_ 2018-01-08T01:06:26 < aandrew> attention Laurenceb_ 2018-01-08T01:06:32 < aandrew> this is game changing: https://i.imgur.com/ZfYRerg.jpeg 2018-01-08T01:07:05 < Steffanx> aandrew ........ 2018-01-08T01:07:39 < aandrew> you know how your cat's eyes glitter in the night? now you won't be able to tell which end is facing you 2018-01-08T01:07:59 < MrMobius> youll think he is winking at you 2018-01-08T01:08:11 < aandrew> in a way, he is 2018-01-08T01:08:44 < Laurenceb_> genius 2018-01-08T01:09:11 < Steffanx> Where is the sata port englishman ?! 2018-01-08T01:09:38 < englishman> hater 2018-01-08T01:09:51 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T01:10:35 < Steffanx> Thats the ##stm32 spirit right? 2018-01-08T01:11:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:13:19 < Steffanx> I have no 4k screen either. 2018-01-08T01:14:47 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:16:39 < aandrew> Steffanx: wait you're not talking about the cat pic still are you? 2018-01-08T01:16:49 < aandrew> I mean they plugged a port, but I think it's a CATA port 2018-01-08T01:18:16 < upgrdman> i have no screens <4k 2018-01-08T01:18:23 < upgrdman> first world problems, amirite 2018-01-08T01:22:40 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-08T01:24:03 < ohsix> now it's between x10r4 and x11r1 2018-01-08T01:24:19 < ohsix> it might actually come from lisp nerds and Xt 2018-01-08T01:26:15 < sync> upgrdman: yes 2018-01-08T01:27:40 < Steffanx> Lolno aandrew. The 4k rageberry 2018-01-08T01:28:30 < upgrdman> 4k *and* it currently can only do android. 2018-01-08T01:28:34 < upgrdman> like why 2018-01-08T01:28:46 < upgrdman> "linux roms coming soon" 2018-01-08T01:28:52 < ohsix> heheh i have jim getty's book and i'm cross referencing with doc/Protocol from 11v1 and it's the files they used to produce the book 2018-01-08T01:30:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:34:05 < ohsix> bored of it again 2018-01-08T01:35:21 < Steffanx> Again? Wonder why you even started. Especially since i have no clue what youre talking about 2018-01-08T01:35:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-08T01:37:40 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:42:31 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-08T01:43:06 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:43:42 < aandrew> so 2018-01-08T01:44:08 < aandrew> I had this idea, quoted a dude to build it for him, he took it and went to china to develop it instead of just take my working proto and have them buidl it 2018-01-08T01:44:13 < aandrew> of course the protos aren't even close to working 2018-01-08T01:44:21 < aandrew> so he hadns me the broken pieces and says "can you fix it like fast?" 2018-01-08T01:44:45 < aandrew> no dude I warned you about this. should've taken my $17k quote and let me do it my way, then give the chinese the working design and say "make a million" 2018-01-08T01:44:56 < aandrew> so now it'll probably cost him $20k for me to fix it 2018-01-08T01:48:45 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:49:07 < stvn> good morning steffan 2018-01-08T01:54:13 < englishman> aandrew, can you now buy the design from chinese for $5 and make a million yourself 2018-01-08T01:54:14 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-08T01:54:23 < aandrew> nah 2018-01-08T01:54:36 < aandrew> I was hired as a contract engineer, they just felt I was too expensive 2018-01-08T01:54:51 < aandrew> it's their design, I got my name on a patent on it so I'm happy 2018-01-08T01:55:02 < aandrew> I'll charge them my normal rate to make it work now that they didn't take my advice 2018-01-08T01:55:57 < Adluc> aandrew: whats your normal rate? 2018-01-08T01:56:15 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T01:56:21 < aandrew> Adluc: I normally charge $125/hr for routine work 2018-01-08T01:56:33 < Adluc> o_o mmkay 2018-01-08T02:05:46 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pbbqighwkilaxntb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-08T02:09:03 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T02:11:23 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:3ce4:feec:1806:f10f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-08T02:12:06 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T02:12:29 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rfjgzstxydipopwq] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T02:13:13 < sync> pretty reasonable Adluc 2018-01-08T02:13:25 < sync> eh aandrew but it also applies to him 2018-01-08T02:13:41 < stvn> what have I done now? 2018-01-08T02:13:58 < Thorn> Zuma launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PWu3BRxn60 2018-01-08T02:14:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-08T02:15:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T02:24:36 < upgrdman> wtf google. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/youtube.png 2018-01-08T02:24:51 < upgrdman> they auto-demonitized my video :( 2018-01-08T02:25:12 < stvn> thats cause they're fucking jews 2018-01-08T02:25:22 < stvn> patreon.exe 2018-01-08T02:25:35 < stvn> you'll get 10,000x as much shekel 2018-01-08T02:25:58 < stvn> on the $1000 a month tier you can write 5 lines of arduino code for your patrons 2018-01-08T02:26:04 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-08T02:26:47 < stvn> you can also knock a bitch up and make your patrons pay to raise the kid 2018-01-08T02:26:48 < upgrdman> i guess it would be worth a shot, but since i really half-ass my videos i feel like expecting patrons would be expecting too much. and makers are cheap fucks. 2018-01-08T02:26:58 < sync> lal 2018-01-08T02:27:21 < stvn> all the other hacks are doing fuck on and raking it in 2018-01-08T02:27:28 < stvn> *fuck all 2018-01-08T02:39:49 < jadew`> pdfs without bookmarks should be outlawed 2018-01-08T02:40:21 < jadew`> unless it's a novel, they're a pain to navigate 2018-01-08T02:42:51 < stvn> yeks 2018-01-08T02:50:59 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-08T02:52:16 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T02:57:10 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-08T02:59:45 -!- raek [~raek@h-152-114.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T03:02:46 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T03:10:24 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T03:11:12 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T03:12:41 < Laurenceb_> grrrr 2018-01-08T03:13:20 < stvn> whatsamatter? 2018-01-08T03:13:34 < Laurenceb_> muh latex is failing 2018-01-08T03:13:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T03:13:47 < jadew`> use two 2018-01-08T03:14:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-08T03:14:20 < stvn> no rubber 2018-01-08T03:14:46 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/0DhaBJr0 2018-01-08T03:14:52 < Laurenceb_> no output :( 2018-01-08T03:14:52 < jadew`> another option is to replace them after each use 2018-01-08T03:19:09 < stvn> hmm 2018-01-08T03:19:12 < stvn> sounds expensive 2018-01-08T03:19:51 < Laurenceb_> I dont think my code is being called at all 2018-01-08T03:19:53 < Laurenceb_> weird 2018-01-08T03:24:28 < stvn> that's okay 2018-01-08T03:24:33 < stvn> just smash it 2018-01-08T03:26:23 < stvn> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/stockholm-sweden-metro-explosion-latest-varby-gard-injuries-capital-a8146301.html 2018-01-08T03:31:44 < Laurenceb_> oh I need --shell-escape 2018-01-08T03:31:48 < Laurenceb_> wtf latex 2018-01-08T03:32:16 < stvn> freedums? 2018-01-08T03:33:11 < Laurenceb_> muh freedoms are second only to muh heritage 2018-01-08T03:33:43 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/Muh+heritage/funny-pictures/6303229#db2637_6302785 2018-01-08T03:34:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/Americans/LibuLYv/ 2018-01-08T03:34:42 < stvn> christ 2018-01-08T03:35:33 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/796/928/a34.jpg 2018-01-08T03:40:00 < Laurenceb_> https://ii.yuki.la/0/9c/7906e074273e73b458b4b21a2f95c37ea52e7328b6a47568b008ffef4c03c9c0.png 2018-01-08T03:53:14 < Laurenceb_> the memes are good 2018-01-08T03:54:28 < stvn> makes no sense 2018-01-08T04:10:05 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-08T04:17:29 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-08T04:23:32 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-08T04:26:03 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T04:41:28 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-08T05:17:39 < upgrdman> yo 2018-01-08T05:30:51 < upgrdman> does windows have any support for, uh, "thin" VMs? like if i want to run a program but limits its access to the filesystem/network/etc.? 2018-01-08T05:36:43 < dongs> no, you just run a VM and the app inside that 2018-01-08T05:36:50 < dongs> windows doesn't support "dongers" 2018-01-08T05:36:50 < upgrdman> :/ k 2018-01-08T05:36:59 < upgrdman> ya i was hoping for a docker clone 2018-01-08T05:37:08 < dongs> see if hyperv can do something but I doubt it 2018-01-08T05:37:18 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-08T05:38:30 < dongs> https://blog.saleae.com/pricing-update/ haha FAGGOTS 2018-01-08T05:39:47 < aandrew> meh, $3 FX2LP off aliexpress + sigrok or even saleae sw works for 90% of use cases, mabe even 95-98% 2018-01-08T05:40:00 < aandrew> you'd only spend $1k if you are an idiot 2018-01-08T05:41:26 < tpw_rules> anybody cloned the high speed ones 2018-01-08T05:42:12 < dongs> tpw ya 2018-01-08T05:42:15 < dongs> the logic 100 or whatever has been cloned 2018-01-08T05:42:26 < dongs> the one with spartan and 8 channels(?) of diminishing speed 2018-01-08T05:42:33 < dongs> doesnt matter tho, fuck supporting them in general 2018-01-08T05:42:46 < aandrew> I have that one in chinese knockoff form 2018-01-08T05:42:47 < tpw_rules> why 2018-01-08T05:42:54 < tpw_rules> what's wrong with them 2018-01-08T05:42:58 < dongs> shit software 2018-01-08T05:42:59 < dongs> shit company 2018-01-08T05:43:04 < dongs> preying on MAKE:Rs 2018-01-08T05:43:28 < tpw_rules> i mean i've got huge miles on mine 2018-01-08T05:43:42 < upgrdman> aandrew, no idea about saleae, but im guessing the $3 fx2lp does have much input protection, adjust voltage levels, etc. for a "real" LA, spending several hundred can be very worthwhile 2018-01-08T05:44:06 < aandrew> upgrdman: the original saleaes also did not have any of that 2018-01-08T05:44:19 < upgrdman> but these expensive ones now, do they? 2018-01-08T05:44:20 < aandrew> upgrdman: but again, for 80% of use, you don't need any of that shit 2018-01-08T05:44:35 < aandrew> the logic 16 is a nice device and does have those things like you said 2018-01-08T05:44:45 < aandrew> but again, how often do you need it that you're gonna spend on it? 2018-01-08T05:44:57 < tpw_rules> it's great for me... 2018-01-08T05:45:03 < aandrew> I'd rather have a dozen $3 FX2LP boards in my bucket and use them in a throwaway capacity 2018-01-08T05:45:14 < upgrdman> for hobby shit? ~never. for real word ee pro trolling, often enough that you pay for it. 2018-01-08T05:45:36 < aandrew> upgrdman: precisely. they're recognizing that hobbyiests as a general rule are broke 2018-01-08T05:45:37 < tpw_rules> china should make them synchronizeable/phaseable 2018-01-08T05:45:48 < aandrew> so they are targeting the pros, which is smart 2018-01-08T05:46:02 < tpw_rules> put like an ultra high speed sample and hold and a phase lock output to make it like $5 2018-01-08T05:46:03 < aandrew> tpw_rules: how often have you needed > 16 channels that are synchronized? 2018-01-08T05:46:06 < upgrdman> tpw_rules, hehe that's be cool. and shape them like puzzle pieces, so you can literally snap them togehter :) 2018-01-08T05:46:06 < tpw_rules> then just chain them together 2018-01-08T05:46:10 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: yeah 2018-01-08T05:46:19 < aandrew> I mean this isn't 1986 where you really do have 32 bit wide parallel buses with control signals you're debugging 2018-01-08T05:46:22 < tpw_rules> if you want 1GS/s just put 20 on the same signal 2018-01-08T05:46:29 < aandrew> oh is ee 2018-01-08T05:46:32 < tpw_rules> maybe you're debugging 1986 equipment 2018-01-08T05:46:41 < tpw_rules> i've had my saleae attached to some 2018-01-08T05:46:45 < aandrew> you're talking about bumping up sample rate, perhaps runt detection etc 2018-01-08T05:47:03 < dongs> why are you fags trolling each other 2018-01-08T05:47:04 < tpw_rules> hm? 2018-01-08T05:47:56 < tpw_rules> like how cheap can you get a super high speed latch 2018-01-08T05:48:12 < tpw_rules> i need to get china on the line 2018-01-08T05:49:52 < tpw_rules> how fast can the chinese ones go 2018-01-08T05:58:24 < aandrew> dongs: did you see my cat enhancement 2018-01-08T05:58:45 < aandrew> this is game changing: https://i.imgur.com/ZfYRerg.jpeg 2018-01-08T05:58:58 < upgrdman> old 2018-01-08T05:59:01 < upgrdman> and gay 2018-01-08T05:59:24 < aandrew> it's only gay if you're also a male cat 2018-01-08T05:59:37 < aandrew> what I want to see is a video of someone trying to install this on a cat 2018-01-08T05:59:54 < aandrew> I cannot fathom the animal staying still 2018-01-08T06:00:20 < upgrdman> i used to have a black cat. female. here butthole and vag formed a vibrant skin-colored figure-8. you could see it from a mile away. 2018-01-08T06:00:42 < aandrew> lol 2018-01-08T06:01:36 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T06:02:23 < jadew`> I went to the zoo yesterday, you should see the ass on some of those monkeys 2018-01-08T06:03:14 < jadew`> my son asked me if they have a rash lol 2018-01-08T06:04:25 < jadew`> I wouldn't mind seeing that before going to bed 2018-01-08T06:04:29 < upgrdman> R2COM, did toy ever bang that puerto rican girl 2018-01-08T06:04:37 < upgrdman> s/toy/you 2018-01-08T06:04:45 < upgrdman> post her ass pix 2018-01-08T06:05:22 < jadew`> bs 2018-01-08T06:06:13 < jadew`> I didn't lose any of the nude photos of old girlfriends 2018-01-08T06:09:08 < jadew`> what happened to the phone? 2018-01-08T06:09:31 < jadew`> if you gave it away, perhaps we should just google 2018-01-08T06:12:08 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T06:13:24 < jadew`> I wouldn't know even if I did, I'm not close to my relatives 2018-01-08T06:13:59 < jadew`> if you became my relative, we'd have to stop talking 2018-01-08T06:14:27 < jadew`> just kidding, but that's pretty much the stance I take with most relatives 2018-01-08T06:14:46 < jadew`> it's too much work to maintain those relationships 2018-01-08T06:15:53 < jadew`> yes, then you'd want to visit Romania for Christmas and you'd ask me to pick you up from the airport 2018-01-08T06:16:48 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-08T06:19:15 < jadew`> can't you be like "sure..." 2018-01-08T06:20:24 < jadew`> so she dumped you? :D 2018-01-08T06:20:56 < jadew`> I've only been with romanian chicks 2018-01-08T06:21:04 < jadew`> one of them was like 1/4 russian tho 2018-01-08T06:21:25 < jadew`> pale skin, big tits 2018-01-08T06:24:15 < jadew`> greedy or calculated with money? 2018-01-08T06:25:58 < jadew`> heh, I had a g/f once who at some point, after breakup/sex/breakup decided to take some money from me 2018-01-08T06:26:15 < jadew`> I was super poor at that point, she found some coins in a jar and took those 2018-01-08T06:27:00 < jadew`> nah, she had money, I don't know why she wanted to do that 2018-01-08T06:27:09 < jadew`> just to make it weird 2018-01-08T06:32:23 < jadew`> mathematically? 2018-01-08T06:32:40 < jadew`> digital or analogic? 2018-01-08T06:33:13 < jadew`> well, then you just do sin(x) 2018-01-08T06:34:31 < jadew`> linear interpolation will add some extra harmonics for sure 2018-01-08T06:35:41 < jadew`> depends on your sample size, but it's possible that your points at the top and bottom of the waveform don't fall on the tip of the sine, but on its sides 2018-01-08T06:35:59 < jadew`> and because you're doing linear interpolation, it would trim it 2018-01-08T06:36:29 < jadew`> there's no other reason why the amplitude would be lower if everything else is correct 2018-01-08T06:38:07 < dongs> gross colorscheme 2018-01-08T06:39:52 < jadew`> it's normal to be like that 2018-01-08T06:39:59 < jadew`> because of the curvature of the sine 2018-01-08T06:40:10 < jadew`> when you're doing linear, you chopping from the curvature 2018-01-08T06:41:19 < jadew`> you can compensate for that 2018-01-08T06:41:27 < jadew`> when you generate the sine 2018-01-08T06:42:00 < jadew`> it is, but if you want to, you can compensate for it 2018-01-08T06:43:06 < jadew`> don't you compute that with a MCU? 2018-01-08T06:43:28 < jadew`> any 2018-01-08T06:43:41 < jadew`> you generate the waveform on a MCU, so you have flexibility in your math 2018-01-08T06:43:45 < jadew`> then you send it to the FPGA 2018-01-08T06:43:52 < jadew`> and it just spits it out fast 2018-01-08T06:45:01 < jadew`> yes 2018-01-08T06:45:35 < jadew`> the way you can compensate for that is to figure out the area under the curve, between the curve and the line generated by your 2, non interpolated sample points 2018-01-08T06:45:59 < jadew`> then you can shift it so half the area is outside the sine curve 2018-01-08T06:46:07 < jadew`> that should give you the same volume I think 2018-01-08T06:46:48 < jadew`> yeah, that's what I'm saying 2018-01-08T06:47:00 < jadew`> you need to move those points outside the curve just a bit 2018-01-08T06:48:16 < jadew`> yeah, I don't think it's worth compensating 2018-01-08T06:48:24 < jadew`> depends what you're doing I guess 2018-01-08T06:49:10 < jadew`> lol 2018-01-08T06:49:40 < jadew`> it can't be ANY waveform generator 2018-01-08T06:49:45 < jadew`> because that's extreme performance 2018-01-08T06:50:00 < jadew`> you'll have to filter the shit out of it 2018-01-08T06:51:10 < jadew`> do you have a spectral purity goal? 2018-01-08T06:51:17 < jadew`> if no, I'd start with that 2018-01-08T06:52:17 < jadew`> you can then decide on the output filter and then with that into account, you can simulate the result 2018-01-08T06:54:42 < jadew`> you mean phase accumulator? 2018-01-08T06:56:53 < jadew`> yeah, I have it 2018-01-08T06:57:12 < jadew`> at least I think I do, let me check 2018-01-08T06:57:48 < jadew`> I think I tried to play it once, but all I wanted was a shooter and it didn't seem like a shooter 2018-01-08T06:58:06 < jadew`> yep, I have it 2018-01-08T06:58:31 < jadew`> I wanted to fly a space ship and shoot other spaceships 2018-01-08T06:58:35 < jadew`> with a joystick 2018-01-08T06:59:13 < jadew`> I see you have strike vector too 2018-01-08T06:59:24 < jadew`> steam says I've played it 1 minute 2018-01-08T06:59:36 < jadew`> played elite dangerous 2 hours 2018-01-08T06:59:45 < jadew`> maybe it got better since 2015 2018-01-08T07:00:17 < jadew`> yeah, that seems like a waste of time 2018-01-08T07:00:25 < jadew`> I wasted enough time in EVE online 2018-01-08T07:00:57 < jadew`> not the way I do it 2018-01-08T07:01:07 < dongs> judew is master of Worms 2018-01-08T07:01:15 < dongs> the gayest fucking game in teh universe 2018-01-08T07:01:17 < jadew`> yes, I like worms 2018-01-08T07:01:18 < dongs> literally a clone of gorillas.bas 2018-01-08T07:02:16 < jadew`> I don't have 3000 hours 2018-01-08T07:02:20 < jadew`> only 2100 2018-01-08T07:02:25 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-08T07:02:28 < dongs> gross. 2018-01-08T07:03:06 < jadew`> the thing about that game is that once you relatively master the mechanics, it's all strategy 2018-01-08T07:03:43 < jadew`> it's like playing chess, but more complex and challenging, because the randomness of the game 2018-01-08T07:04:45 < dongs> wut, what the fuck strategy can you ahve to select angle + speed 2018-01-08T07:05:03 < dongs> gorillas,bas gets old after like 30 seconds 2018-01-08T07:05:15 < dongs> ya the game is shit anyway 2018-01-08T07:05:43 < jadew`> dongs, you can block other players, take your and their position and order into account, things like that 2018-01-08T07:07:23 < jadew`> R2COM, I'll check it out, thanks 2018-01-08T07:07:44 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-08T07:08:46 < dongs> 1 HOUR 2018-01-08T07:08:48 < dongs> npoe 2018-01-08T07:14:00 < jadew`> night 2018-01-08T07:14:32 < jadew`> figure of speech 2018-01-08T07:14:35 < jadew`> it's 7am 2018-01-08T07:15:04 < jadew`> someone who stayed awake all night? 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2018-01-08T09:36:03 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T09:36:35 < Tectu> about 7/8.5 2018-01-08T09:37:15 < jpa-> good enough, but who uses a scale that ends in 8.5? 2018-01-08T09:40:53 < zyp> Tectu 2018-01-08T09:43:50 < srk> :)) 2018-01-08T09:43:57 < srk> indexed from -1 2018-01-08T09:47:26 -!- raek [~raek@h-152-114.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T10:01:25 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-08T10:01:55 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T10:05:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T10:05:39 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T10:08:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-08T10:23:33 < dongs> about 5/7 2018-01-08T10:24:07 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/PolishedOilyBadger lol isis 2018-01-08T10:25:45 < qyx> what do you use for wifi connectivity 2018-01-08T10:25:55 < qyx> esp8266? 2018-01-08T10:26:45 < qyx> there are also those particle modules with stm32f4 2018-01-08T10:28:28 < dongs> surely not stm32f4 2018-01-08T10:28:31 < dongs> esp1488 works i guess 2018-01-08T10:28:36 < dongs> you can also go with the less popular shit 2018-01-08T10:28:40 < dongs> like those realtek things 2018-01-08T10:28:44 < dongs> which have actual M3 core in them 2018-01-08T10:28:46 < dongs> instead of AIDS 2018-01-08T10:30:09 < qyx> there are some with F205 and with F411 too 2018-01-08T10:30:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T10:30:18 < qyx> hm 2018-01-08T10:30:20 < dongs> and broadscum wifi chip? 2018-01-08T10:30:23 < dongs> stay away from those 2018-01-08T10:30:25 < dongs> all closed sores 2018-01-08T10:30:30 < qyx> okay 2018-01-08T10:30:59 < qyx> so you are saying realtek 2018-01-08T10:31:20 < dongs> RTL8710AF or something 2018-01-08T10:31:24 < dongs> another $2-3 thing on aliexpress 2018-01-08T10:32:21 < dongs> there's also a couple variations of that family with RTL8711Ax and 8195 2018-01-08T10:32:27 < dongs> donno which one is good but they're all proper cortex cores 2018-01-08T10:32:46 < dongs> i think 10AF is the cheapest shit tho 2018-01-08T10:32:52 < qyx> I don't need the cortex part acutally 2018-01-08T10:32:56 < dongs> sure 2018-01-08T10:33:02 < dongs> but youre gonna need to write code for it 2018-01-08T10:33:04 < dongs> one way or another 2018-01-08T10:33:16 < qyx> why, no at command shit? 2018-01-08T10:33:19 < dongs> would you rather compile shit in arduino.exe?? 2018-01-08T10:33:21 < dongs> haha no 2018-01-08T10:33:43 < qyx> seeds writes at support for some :S 2018-01-08T10:34:23 < qyx> freertos running on them 2018-01-08T10:34:24 < dongs> hmm, looks like rtl has AT shit too 2018-01-08T10:34:26 < qyx> maybe doable 2018-01-08T10:34:41 < qyx> User configurationAT+ instruction set, cloud server 2018-01-08T10:34:46 < dongs> https://www.cnx-software.com/2016/08/18/getting-started-with-bt-rtl-00-rtl8710-module-serial-console-at-commands-and-esp8266-pin-to-pin-compatibility/ 2018-01-08T10:38:43 < qyx> looks like super fun to parse 2018-01-08T10:41:43 < qyx> at first I was considering CC3120 2018-01-08T10:41:52 < qyx> definitely more pro 2018-01-08T10:54:02 < dongs> the price is pro too 2018-01-08T10:58:27 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T11:01:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-08T11:02:35 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-08T11:18:57 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T11:19:14 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-08T11:20:13 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-08T11:21:32 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T11:26:50 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T11:33:55 < Ecco> Hey 2018-01-08T11:34:03 < Ecco> What's this : https://imgur.com/DgLGRiN ? 2018-01-08T11:34:14 < Ecco> "dot" on the pcb at the tip of the arrow 2018-01-08T11:34:19 < dongs> fiducial 2018-01-08T11:34:26 < dongs> for aligning pcb for assembly 2018-01-08T11:34:34 < dongs> either goes on the board or on pcb rails in array. 2018-01-08T11:35:18 < Ecco> ok, I understand. Thanks :) 2018-01-08T11:47:24 < Ecco> I always assumed it was an assembly artifact but thanks for putting a word on this :) 2018-01-08T11:50:20 < Ecco> Another completely unrelated question: is there a way to get an STM32 to fallback to using the HSI in case anything goes wrong with the HSE? 2018-01-08T11:50:48 < Ecco> Also, will the HSE use more power than the HSI? 2018-01-08T11:54:13 < dongs> yes, yes, yes. 2018-01-08T11:54:24 < Adluc> Ecco: dongs: do you know how is the JTAG connector on the same board with fiducial names? that half open 2018-01-08T11:54:32 < Ecco> I do 2018-01-08T11:54:39 < Ecco> it's the standard ARM cortex-m debug header 2018-01-08T11:54:50 < dongs> yeah its some samtec part. fucking garbage 2018-01-08T11:54:55 < dongs> do not recommend 2018-01-08T11:55:02 < dongs> its in zypsnips 2018-01-08T11:55:10 < dongs> under "esden favorite" i believe 2018-01-08T11:55:14 < Ecco> FTSH-105-01-L-DV-K 2018-01-08T11:55:41 < Ecco> Indeed, Samtec. Why don't you like it Dongs? 2018-01-08T11:55:49 < dongs> expensive and dumb 2018-01-08T11:55:53 < Adluc> thanks :) but too expensive 2018-01-08T11:55:57 < qyx> I like them because ~standards 2018-01-08T11:55:59 < Ecco> You can get free sample though 2018-01-08T11:56:05 < qyx> but using FCI parts 2018-01-08T11:56:15 < Ecco> qyx: same reason. ARM said to use this, I did. 2018-01-08T11:56:46 < Ecco> I'm pretty sure you can find some compatible, much cheaper headers 2018-01-08T11:59:46 < dongs> yeah im using that header pinout 2018-01-08T11:59:47 < Ecco> Are HSE failures likely to happen? 2018-01-08T12:00:01 < dongs> but im just buying shits from china for like $5/100pcs 2018-01-08T12:00:07 < dongs> Ecco: if someone unplugs your crystal sure 2018-01-08T12:04:55 < Ecco> Yeah, appart from that 2018-01-08T12:07:42 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T12:13:12 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T12:16:15 < Ecco> What happens when going into STOP mode using the HSE? 2018-01-08T12:16:25 < karlp> whatever the ref man says. 2018-01-08T12:16:35 < karlp> there's like tables and shit of what happens when, 2018-01-08T12:16:40 < karlp> it's why they publish it. 2018-01-08T12:16:55 < Ecco> :-D 2018-01-08T12:18:00 < karlp> that samtec part is nice, you get the size of the unshrouded raw pins, but still the keying, but they're WAYYY to expensive 2018-01-08T12:24:11 < karlp> BrainDamage: not enough waterproof phones at sane price ranges. 2018-01-08T12:25:55 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-08T12:26:19 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T12:30:21 * Ecco is fighting with frequency configuration 2018-01-08T12:30:38 < Ecco> Apparently there's no easy way to reach the max 100MHz CPU freq *and* the required 48Mhz USB freq 2018-01-08T12:32:13 < karlp> surprise surprise 2018-01-08T12:33:13 < Ecco> :-) 2018-01-08T12:34:09 < karlp> have a look at l4 and newer parts where they split more things up to separate usb clock from system clock a little more 2018-01-08T12:40:37 < Ecco> Out of curiosity, can STM32's be overclocked? 2018-01-08T12:40:59 < Ecco> I mean, do they generally work past their top rated frequency? 2018-01-08T12:41:08 < dongs> yes, F103 runs just fine at 128-144mhz 2018-01-08T12:41:13 < Ecco> I guess that varies depending on the model, but what about a low-speced F4? 2018-01-08T12:41:25 < dongs> im gonna be overclocking F302 on a production board 2018-01-08T12:41:25 < Ecco> What's the theoretical max speed of an F103? 2018-01-08T12:41:41 < dongs> cuz 72 is not enough and its replacing F401 @ 84 2018-01-08T12:41:47 < dongs> so my plan to run 302 at least at 84 2018-01-08T12:41:50 < Ecco> ok 2018-01-08T12:42:05 < dongs> i donno, ive ran 103 at 128 with all the stuff that I needed to use working 2018-01-08T12:42:06 < Ecco> wow, so that's pretty much 2x the base frequency 2018-01-08T12:42:16 < Ecco> I should give it a try sometimes then :) 2018-01-08T12:42:30 < dongs> it requires specific setup like not using 8mhz oscillator 2018-01-08T12:42:34 < dongs> (onf103 2018-01-08T12:42:42 < Ecco> Do you overclock everything (i.e. SYSCLK)? 2018-01-08T12:42:45 < dongs> cuz then youre limited to pll multipliers with the highest one ending at 72 2018-01-08T12:42:48 < dongs> thats how it works yeah 2018-01-08T12:42:50 < Ecco> oh, ok 2018-01-08T12:43:17 * Ecco is going to give it a try :) 2018-01-08T12:51:51 -!- sferrini [sid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tmkryjkozpqtmxkz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T12:53:25 -!- sferrini [sid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-secoscmohsqykswp] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T13:08:00 -!- kaa [~Janne@dyt4yz0wzm-w36gp-nqmt-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-08T13:28:46 < Steffanx> Hah, issues for people with AMD CPUs after microsoft patching windows re Meltdown 2018-01-08T13:28:56 < Steffanx> Patched* 2018-01-08T13:36:27 < jadew`> the last update was pretty buggy for me 2018-01-08T13:36:46 < jadew`> the tiles in the start menu keep losing their background 2018-01-08T13:37:09 < jadew`> I haven't figured out what triggers it 2018-01-08T13:37:59 < jadew`> I had some other problems too, but they may be unrelated 2018-01-08T13:43:29 < Steffanx> Ive hick ups in youtube vids, but might be unrelated ;) 2018-01-08T13:43:36 < Steffanx> Mostly audio hickups 2018-01-08T13:45:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T14:25:43 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T14:29:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-08T14:30:10 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-08T14:32:25 < dongs> weather.exe still crashes on boot for me 2018-01-08T14:32:31 < dongs> still have no way to change location from DC to japscat 2018-01-08T14:32:42 < dongs> https://developercommunity.visualstudio.com/content/problem/136952/mfc-ribbon-slow-on-first-loadshow.html i finally fixed my system being slow as fuck 2018-01-08T14:32:45 < dongs> from this 2018-01-08T14:33:00 < dongs> who would have thought windows dickfender disabled by group policy still affected some bullshit exploit-protection settings 2018-01-08T14:33:09 < dongs> man I wish I could just run windows with all that garbage fucking turned off 2018-01-08T14:33:23 < dongs> ive got nothing to hide, i dont cilck on retarded EXEs and I dont fucking need someone babysitting what the fuck I do on MY OWN SYSTEM 2018-01-08T14:33:43 < dongs> they dumbed it down so that even niggers can use a computer and guess what? end result is only niggers will be using it!! 2018-01-08T14:33:58 < dongs> Workaround is to disable CFG Exploit Protection added in Falls Creator Update as described at 2018-01-08T14:34:01 < dongs> https://www.tenforums.com/performance-maintenance/96792-fall-creators-update-poor-performance-lagginess-fix.html 2018-01-08T14:34:05 < dongs> ^ 2018-01-08T14:47:23 < c10ud> wow, thx dongs 2018-01-08T14:47:39 < c10ud> now I think I understand why fucking orcad capture was so slow 2018-01-08T14:47:43 < dongs> ahahah 2018-01-08T14:47:44 < dongs> yes 2018-01-08T14:47:46 < dongs> most fucking likely 2018-01-08T14:47:50 < dongs> cuz it still uses MFC and ancient GDI shit 2018-01-08T14:48:03 < c10ud> redrawing the shitty buttons took ages 2018-01-08T14:48:05 < dongs> yes 2018-01-08T14:48:18 < dongs> CAM350 was doing same shit 2018-01-08T14:48:24 < dongs> especially after a couple days uptime of the desktop 2018-01-08T14:48:32 < dongs> it would literally take like 1 minute to startup 2018-01-08T14:48:37 < dongs> using 100% of one core to do someshit 2018-01-08T14:48:40 < dongs> fucking microsoft wankers 2018-01-08T14:49:27 < c10ud> I'll even reboot right now so I can get hopefully an usable system back 2018-01-08T14:49:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T14:52:00 < dongs> https://docs.wholetomato.com/default.asp?W790 haha 2018-01-08T14:59:18 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-08T14:59:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T15:05:14 < dongs> d o n g s 2018-01-08T15:09:15 < englishman> fucking ups 2018-01-08T15:33:23 < Ultrasauce> dongs complaining about windows taking away control over the system?? 2018-01-08T15:33:28 < dongs> no 2018-01-08T15:33:30 < Ultrasauce> watch out, soon you'll be joining us now and sharing the software 2018-01-08T15:33:43 < dongs> "us"? as in kikecad users? 2018-01-08T15:33:45 < dongs> unlikely. 2018-01-08T15:34:01 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw 2018-01-08T15:34:24 < dongs> awful 2018-01-08T15:35:05 < c10ud> I knew that was gonna be the fsf song lol 2018-01-08T15:39:32 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utmmdgqoctwjtmga] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T16:41:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T17:02:28 < dongs> is there an implementation of ST serial bootloader server? 2018-01-08T17:03:29 < englishman> new intel edison copter https://www.banggood.com/DJI-Tello-with-5MP-HD-Camera-720P-WiFi-FPV-8D-Flips-Bounce-Mode-STEM-Coding-Compatible-Controller-VR-p-1249480.html 2018-01-08T17:04:20 < englishman> https://www.movidius.com/solutions/vision-processing-unit 2018-01-08T17:05:01 < dongs> is this zano 2.0 2018-01-08T17:05:05 < englishman> yes 2018-01-08T17:05:14 < srk> heh, discontinued edison :D 2018-01-08T17:05:17 < englishman> 12 SHAVE cores plus two CPUs 2018-01-08T17:06:56 < dongs> fucking st.com 2018-01-08T17:07:05 < dongs> my.st.com login takes years 2018-01-08T17:07:17 < dongs> [x] REMEMBER ME never FUCKING WORKS 2018-01-08T17:07:45 < dongs> X-CUBE-EXTBOOT 2018-01-08T17:07:51 < dongs> is 47megabytes 2018-01-08T17:08:00 < dongs> i sure hope it includes actual sores of a working bootloader at that size 2018-01-08T17:11:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T17:12:05 < dongs> nice 2018-01-08T17:12:07 < dongs> it does 2018-01-08T17:12:15 < dongs> *amazing* indentation and coding style 2018-01-08T17:12:28 < dongs> the Select_Command() while(1) loop looks like they jsut copyied it out of bootloader sores 2018-01-08T17:12:33 < dongs> not even indented correctly 2018-01-08T17:13:57 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/bfOHegF.png 2018-01-08T17:30:07 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T17:32:53 < karlp> we have a branded DJI shop in town now. 2018-01-08T17:32:59 < karlp> fuck knows what they're really doing there. 2018-01-08T17:33:28 < dongs> selling plastic garbage to retards 2018-01-08T17:33:51 < dongs> they have the best scam going, once you drop $1k on a plastic chinese shit and show it to all your friends 2018-01-08T17:33:55 < dongs> and next day it flies off back to china 2018-01-08T17:34:04 < dongs> to avoid public shaming you MUST go back and get another one 2018-01-08T17:34:16 < dongs> so they basically guarantee two sales with each idiot walking into thier shop 2018-01-08T17:39:15 < Steffanx> Ill do soon from a bad case of dongeritus after touching an afro esc.. 2018-01-08T17:41:35 < Steffanx> Die* 2018-01-08T17:41:51 < dongs> https://stripe.ian.sh/ haha 2018-01-08T17:41:55 < dongs> ^ attn englishman 2018-01-08T17:41:59 < Steffanx> Why the afro esc is so great that its still hot in 2018 dongs? 2018-01-08T17:43:10 < englishman> lol 2018-01-08T17:43:29 < englishman> registering paypal inc. in the bahamas 2018-01-08T17:43:34 < dongs> Ya 2018-01-08T17:49:37 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/H9qHYEJ.png 2018-01-08T17:52:00 < Steffanx> Not a cat.. 2018-01-08T17:52:06 < dongs> not a dong either 2018-01-08T17:59:44 < karlp> yeah, but this DJI shop is _right_ in the middle of town. 2018-01-08T18:00:00 < karlp> it's not just a hobby shop, it's like a super fancy jewellery store 2018-01-08T18:00:05 < karlp> makes no sense. 2018-01-08T18:04:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T18:13:06 < BrainDamage> as if apple wasn't doing that since decades 2018-01-08T18:16:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-08T18:19:31 < karlp> BrainDamage: sure, but I'm not entirely sure I see how DJI has a big enough target market in iceland to warrant such a shop. 2018-01-08T18:19:38 < karlp> we don't even have an apple store. 2018-01-08T18:23:03 < BrainDamage> weird, my city has about the same people as your capital, but we do have multiple apple stores 2018-01-08T18:26:31 < englishman> they only have to sell 1 shitty mavic and goggle set to 1 retard to cover a month's expenses 2018-01-08T18:28:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T18:30:11 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T18:31:42 < karlp> from what I know from other shop keepers, no, they'd need to be selling more to cover rent 2018-01-08T18:34:55 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T18:40:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-08T18:41:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T18:42:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T18:47:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T18:49:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T19:01:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T19:04:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T19:11:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T19:17:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T19:19:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.158.219.25] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T19:23:10 -!- yaniv1 [yaniv1@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T19:26:14 < yaniv1> hello any one here used the new st wifi ver 4 ? 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2018-01-08T20:14:58 < Tectu> all he does is using way too much internet bandwidth 2018-01-08T20:36:18 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T20:39:21 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-08T20:45:38 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:f135:d270:12d2:71d2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T20:52:14 < BrainDamage> pretty much noise, all awsix does is treat the channel as a personal blog writing shit nobody cares about for pages and pages 2018-01-08T20:52:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T20:53:13 < BrainDamage> just like that annoying acquietance that goes 'would you like to know about x?' 'no' 'ok, I'll go anyway; 2018-01-08T20:57:55 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:dc4c:3f8c:4b93:e96b] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T20:58:33 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utmmdgqoctwjtmga] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-08T21:01:37 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:dc4c:3f8c:4b93:e96b] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-08T21:21:26 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T21:28:40 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has quit [] 2018-01-08T21:33:10 < Laurenceb_> aha found the source of my ST gyro issues 2018-01-08T21:33:23 < Laurenceb_> its power supply noise 2018-01-08T21:33:36 < Laurenceb_> for some reason y axis is the most vulnerable 2018-01-08T21:35:36 < Ultrasauce> are you sure you didnt just break it by touching it 2018-01-08T21:38:23 < Laurenceb_> nah different pc fixes it 2018-01-08T21:38:43 < Laurenceb_> >tfw I actually need an audiophool filter on usb 2018-01-08T21:39:22 < Laurenceb_> sensors use a clone of this http://andybrown.me.uk/2015/07/24/usb-filtering/ 2018-01-08T21:39:29 < Laurenceb_> but apparently its not good enough 2018-01-08T21:40:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.audiophonics.fr/17095-thickbox_default/elfidelity-axf-101-ultra-external-usb-30-booster-power-filter-for-pc.jpg 2018-01-08T21:40:27 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2018-01-08T21:40:52 < Ultrasauce> is that a relay 2018-01-08T21:41:36 < Ultrasauce> i guess it probably has to charge that capacitor bank through a resistor 2018-01-08T21:41:53 < Ultrasauce> but only one L and no common-mode choke?? 2018-01-08T21:42:31 < Laurenceb_> >what is high frequency noise 2018-01-08T21:42:44 < Laurenceb_> I'm pretty sure thats what I must be suffering from 2018-01-08T21:51:12 < Steffanx> No you suffer from autism :P 2018-01-08T21:52:27 < Ultrasauce> he suffers from a hopelessly narrow soundstage 2018-01-08T21:53:37 < Laurenceb_> >narrow soundstage 2018-01-08T21:53:41 < Laurenceb_> wtf is this meme 2018-01-08T21:53:54 < Laurenceb_> A U T I S M 2018-01-08T21:54:42 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T22:19:35 -!- djos_ [~djos@mail.thorondir.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 2018-01-08T22:22:41 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycdr0y-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T22:23:18 < kikes> hello steffpump 2018-01-08T22:23:33 < kikes> I have a bed 2018-01-08T22:23:53 < kikes> I'm a bit more excited about bed that I thought I would be 2018-01-08T22:25:18 < Steffanx> lolwut 2018-01-08T22:25:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T22:27:45 < Steffanx> is it also your sofa kikes? 2018-01-08T22:28:14 < kikes> no 2018-01-08T22:28:16 < kikes> just a bed 2018-01-08T22:28:38 < kikes> but I'm a bad person if I don't get a sofa too 2018-01-08T22:32:08 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T22:32:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-08T22:33:24 < kikes> where are the guest going to sit? 2018-01-08T22:33:29 < kikes> on my lap? 2018-01-08T22:34:23 < Steffanx> depends on who the guest is ofcourse 2018-01-08T22:38:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-08T22:39:05 < kikes> internets is good 2018-01-08T22:39:10 < kikes> they say 10 2018-01-08T22:39:18 < kikes> measured 11/11 @ 20ms 2018-01-08T22:39:23 < kikes> really responsive 2018-01-08T22:39:36 < kikes> 9/1 expected 2018-01-08T22:42:56 < Steffanx> such dna internet 2018-01-08T22:57:26 -!- kaa [~Janne@85-23-54-173.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T22:58:43 < kaa> whaaa 2018-01-08T22:58:59 < kaa> okay it was freenode only 2018-01-08T23:01:03 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycdr0y-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-08T23:01:11 -!- kaa is now known as kikes 2018-01-08T23:43:23 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-08T23:53:55 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-08T23:56:34 < Thorn> would it make sense to open the solder mask over high current traces or is the effect going to be insignificant? https://i.imgur.com/czbyJHj.png 2018-01-08T23:56:36 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:89fe:5e43:9345:a00d] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-08T23:58:15 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Jan 09 2018 2018-01-09T00:00:42 < kikes> there is an effect of added thermal mass and area too 2018-01-09T00:01:07 < kikes> if you have short high loads thermal mass might be beneficial 2018-01-09T00:07:27 < Lux> just make the traces wide enough so they don't heat up 2018-01-09T00:10:47 < Lux> there is also tons of online calculators for that: http://circuitcalculator.com/wordpress/2006/01/31/pcb-trace-width-calculator/ 2018-01-09T00:10:53 < jpa-> Thorn: if you take gold plating for the pcb, then it might help some because the trace becomes slightly thicker 2018-01-09T00:11:41 < kikes> saturn pcb toolkit 2018-01-09T00:11:45 < kikes> install 2018-01-09T00:16:22 < Thorn> but I don't know what my max current is lol. I guess I just need to make sure that the mosfets start heating up before the traces 2018-01-09T00:16:50 < Thorn> and then specify max current based on that 2018-01-09T00:23:45 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-09T00:26:32 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T00:35:40 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-09T00:36:37 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T01:00:53 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:89fe:5e43:9345:a00d] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-09T01:19:45 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-09T01:20:40 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T01:22:17 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjprowTF3GE 2018-01-09T01:29:55 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-09T02:14:38 < upgrdman> so im reading that with my printer, if you print too fast, the extruder can lose steps. if the extruder temp is not dipping, and the stepper doesnt have to spin very fast, how is this possible? 2018-01-09T02:15:04 < upgrdman> guessing there isn't enough thermal transfer between nozzle and filament, so the filament doesn't fully soften? 2018-01-09T02:18:46 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:f135:d270:12d2:71d2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-09T02:19:02 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:f135:d270:12d2:71d2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T02:20:01 < englishman> thats more a failure of the stepper motor driver than anything to do with what's being driven by the extruder 2018-01-09T02:20:57 < englishman> but if youre just reading shit on the internet, that was probably posted by some tarduino dumbass trying to drive 45lb-ft extruders with a single polololu breakout board 2018-01-09T02:21:06 < Laurenceb_> The idea  of utter and contemptuous despair  is embodied in one image more than any other, one storied personage who has become a(n) hero to millions, the voice of a generation. 2018-01-09T02:21:06 < Laurenceb_> I am speaking, of course, of Pepe the Frog. 2018-01-09T02:22:47 < Laurenceb_> he grotesque, frowning, sleepy eyed, out of shape, swamp dweller, peeing with his pants pulled down because-it-feels-good-man frog is an ideology, one which steers into the skid of its own patheticness. Pepe symbolizes embracing your loserdom and owning it. 2018-01-09T02:22:51 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2018-01-09T02:25:57 < englishman> https://investor.gopro.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2018/GoPro-Announces-Preliminary-Fourth-Quarter-2017-Results/default.aspx 2018-01-09T02:25:58 < englishman> Although Karma reached the #2 market position in its price band in 2017, the product faces margin challenges in an extremely competitive aerial market. Furthermore, a hostile regulatory environment in Europe and the United States will likely reduce the total addressable market in the years ahead. These factors make the aerial market untenable and GoPro will exit the market after selling its remaining Karma 2018-01-09T02:25:58 < englishman> inventory. 2018-01-09T02:27:15 < Laurenceb_> Trump represents both the alpha and the beta. He is a successful person but also a grotesque loser, unquestioning of his own mansplaining and manspreading. 2018-01-09T02:27:31 < Laurenceb_> lul the Karma 2018-01-09T02:31:17 < Laurenceb_> Trump is both the “promise” (“the labyrinth”, the “alpha”) and the empty center (“the promise betrayed”, the “beta”), in a sublime, hilarious, combination that perfectly reflects the pointlessness of life itself. 2018-01-09T02:31:40 < Laurenceb_> Trump metaphysics is epin lulz 2018-01-09T02:32:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-09T02:32:34 -!- _enhering_ [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:8cb7:d8b8:8549:7899] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T02:33:24 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:f135:d270:12d2:71d2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-09T02:41:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T02:48:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T02:54:57 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T03:02:28 < MrMobius> dear lord 2018-01-09T03:02:35 < MrMobius> ftdi has updated their shitware 2018-01-09T03:02:44 < MrMobius> complete with broken install instructions 2018-01-09T03:03:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T03:05:47 < MrMobius> and the driver just crashed... 2018-01-09T03:12:31 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T03:30:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-09T03:30:45 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-09T03:40:17 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-09T04:01:47 -!- _enhering_ [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:8cb7:d8b8:8549:7899] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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away you didn't have a chance anyway. 2018-01-09T06:29:56 < aandrew> R2COM: lol 2018-01-09T06:31:15 < aandrew> wtf upgrdman 2018-01-09T06:31:23 < upgrdman> inorite 2018-01-09T06:31:49 < aandrew> R2COM: you know the shitty drum and techno actually detracts from it 2018-01-09T06:42:48 < dongs> https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/950208202154610689/photo/1 wat 2018-01-09T06:44:15 < aandrew> dongs: lol 2018-01-09T06:46:48 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsGrfU5buKc 2018-01-09T06:48:43 < dongs> o6-level autism levels cuz vice but can't stop watching cuz darude:sandstorm 2018-01-09T06:50:20 < dongs> detaching a tab from chrome full screeen and then restoring its size makes it resize to 1920x1080 by default 2018-01-09T06:50:36 < dongs> instead of the size a new window should be 2018-01-09T06:50:54 < aandrew> sounds like a window manager fail 2018-01-09T06:50:57 < aandrew> perhpas you should run windows 2018-01-09T06:51:00 < dongs> no its chrome fail 2018-01-09T06:51:04 < dongs> of course its windows. 2018-01-09T06:52:25 < dongs> nope 2018-01-09T06:52:34 < MrMobius> wait, is this the RTS game you were telling us about? 2018-01-09T06:52:47 < MrMobius> ffs 2018-01-09T07:00:05 < dongs> https://betanews.com/2018/01/08/microsoft-meltdown-spectre-patch-bricks-amd-pcs/ ha ha ha 2018-01-09T07:00:58 < englishman> athon x2... 2018-01-09T07:01:58 < dongs> poorfucks gonna poor 2018-01-09T07:03:29 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 2018-01-09T07:07:45 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T07:07:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-09T07:14:40 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-09T07:15:19 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T07:15:37 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T07:18:45 -!- day 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steam tho 2018-01-09T07:48:22 < dongs> the link is v2 2018-01-09T07:49:09 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T07:49:20 < dongs> http://store.steampowered.com/steamvr#WhatYouNeed 2018-01-09T07:51:27 < dongs> haha they finally made it wireless 2018-01-09T07:51:28 < dongs> fuck yes 2018-01-09T07:52:22 < dongs> HTC 2018-01-09T07:53:10 < dongs> what website 2018-01-09T07:53:16 < dongs> IT IS BY HTC YOU DUMB FUCK 2018-01-09T07:53:30 < dongs> as in new revision of hardware 2018-01-09T07:53:35 < dongs> it was never sold by steam 2018-01-09T07:53:50 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-09T07:54:03 < dongs> dongs> http://store.steampowered.com/steamvr#WhatYouNeed < this shit has a fucking "get vive" that goes to htcvive.com or hwatever 2018-01-09T07:54:09 < dongs> comeon i thought you were supposed to be smart with computers 2018-01-09T07:56:29 < dongs> thats what happens when you upgrade your PC harwdare 2018-01-09T07:57:23 < Getty> well i can say that the existing solution for wireless vr is exactly adding up the problem that everybody expects 2018-01-09T07:57:50 < Getty> but its so small that i assume they just dont give a shit and just shit it on... the delay problem in some moments of time 2018-01-09T07:58:29 < dongs> hm? 2018-01-09T07:58:41 < dongs> 60ghz wireless stuff should not add any significant latency 2018-01-09T07:59:13 < Getty> yeah i bought the tpcast for the vive, and it does work, yeah, but in some moments you have the microbic delay that leads you lose the immersion 2018-01-09T07:59:47 < Getty> could be specific to the tpcast solution, but i feel more its physics, do not forget we talk about tricking the brain here 2018-01-09T07:59:56 < Getty> not just "bad reaction time" we talk about losing the reality ;) 2018-01-09T08:00:20 < dongs> is it uncompressed? 2018-01-09T08:00:36 < Getty> i dont know, i didnt analyzed that deep, but it comes with an own wifi router 2018-01-09T08:01:02 < dongs> i dont think any generation wifi is suitable for high bandwidth stuff 2018-01-09T08:01:07 < dongs> like HDMI 2018-01-09T08:01:32 < Getty> well tpcast would be a prove for this ;) 2018-01-09T08:01:33 < dongs> you basically need to be sendign ~10gbps of stuff wirelessly 2018-01-09T08:01:52 < dongs> 'preserves the video quality' 2018-01-09T08:01:55 < dongs> i have a feeling it has compression 2018-01-09T08:01:58 < Getty> we will see how vive solves it, i will for sure buy it, but i am pretty sure the problem will not be perfectly solved 2018-01-09T08:02:16 < Getty> VR immersion is a brutal topic 2018-01-09T08:02:23 < dongs> 60ghz wireless has already been used to beam HDMI to projectors and shit 2018-01-09T08:02:34 < Getty> yeah but we talk about something else ;) 2018-01-09T08:03:54 < dongs> hm tpcast is 60g also 2018-01-09T08:04:36 < Getty> as said, it does work in general if nothing is stressing the stuff, but at some moments (not rare) you feel the delay 2018-01-09T08:04:52 < dongs> you sure its not your gaming rig? 2018-01-09T08:04:55 < Getty> i can for sure say that most low profile vr people will not have a big problem with it, like family fun groups 2018-01-09T08:04:59 < Getty> oh yeah i am sure 2018-01-09T08:05:00 < Getty> ;) 2018-01-09T08:05:33 < Getty> i7 1060 8 GB ram is standard, the specific machine has 16 GB Ram even, so everything is way over need 2018-01-09T08:05:41 < dongs> nigger plz 2018-01-09T08:05:45 < dongs> 1060 is barely usable for vr 2018-01-09T08:05:48 < dongs> like barely 2018-01-09T08:05:56 < dongs> ive got a 1070 and it stutters 2018-01-09T08:06:01 < Getty> lol 2018-01-09T08:06:02 < dongs> WITH wires 2018-01-09T08:06:03 < Getty> you must do something wrong 2018-01-09T08:06:14 < dongs> you need 1080 minimum for most lazy shit written games 2018-01-09T08:06:22 < dongs> no its because coders are lazy faggots 2018-01-09T08:06:24 < Getty> i have everywhere 1060, vive, vive +tpcast and oculus 2018-01-09T08:06:28 < Getty> and nothing is stuttering 2018-01-09T08:06:32 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-09T08:06:34 < dongs> ok bro 2018-01-09T08:07:18 < Getty> dongs: vive and oculus also say 960 is enough ;) 2018-01-09T08:07:27 < Getty> so if you got trouble with a 1060 then you DO FOR SURE have some other problem 2018-01-09T08:07:44 < dongs> R2COM: https://www.vive.com/ca/product/vive-pro/ Free to move around wirelessly with VIVE Wireless Adapter* 2018-01-09T08:07:48 < dongs> *VIVE Wireless Adapter sold separately. 2018-01-09T08:07:57 < Getty> tpcast is freaking 500 EUR 2018-01-09T08:08:06 < dongs> haha what a scam 2018-01-09T08:08:11 < Getty> yeah ;) 2018-01-09T08:08:17 < dongs> well that probly means its like 199 in real money 2018-01-09T08:08:20 < dongs> cuz eurofags like to rape 2018-01-09T08:08:40 < Getty> i dont saw US price but i do recall that they also said its "Near the vive price" 2018-01-09T08:08:51 < Getty> its a huge set in itself 2018-01-09T08:09:00 < Getty> the most awesome part is: instead of 2 connectors for 1 power supply 2018-01-09T08:09:06 < Getty> they just added 2 power supply with different connectors 2018-01-09T08:09:11 < Getty> that was something new for me ;) 2018-01-09T08:09:17 < dongs> isnt it chink 2018-01-09T08:09:21 < dongs> chinks dont care for UX 2018-01-09T08:09:36 < dongs> they just picked wahtever garbage supplier they had for 2 random pwoer supplies 2018-01-09T08:09:41 < Getty> at first it was VERY confusing, cause we seeked the other device for the power supply 2018-01-09T08:10:11 < Getty> if you see the pack complete you definitly think its just shit together random parts 2018-01-09T08:10:36 < Getty> the USB power battery they use (instead of like an own battery) is used as base for the adapter, so they adapted their device towards the battery 2018-01-09T08:11:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-09T08:11:32 < Getty> oh shit i need to sleep ;) but yeah, lets see what the wireless vive 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2018-01-09T10:35:08 -!- kikes is now known as kakimir 2018-01-09T10:36:06 < fest> happens even if PCB is freely suspended (i.e. the only thing expanding is the PCB itself, expansion of the thing it's mounted to shouldn't twist the PCB) 2018-01-09T10:54:04 < kakimir> I need good value esd vacuum 2018-01-09T10:54:56 < kakimir> using a bit of time to figure out if I could combine something like ash vacuum and esd hose and nozzle set 2018-01-09T10:55:18 < kakimir> is ash vacuum cleaner made with esd hose usually? 2018-01-09T10:56:56 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/09/mystery_surrounds_fate_of_secret_satellite_slung_by_spacex/ haha 2018-01-09T10:56:59 < dongs> thorn beep 2018-01-09T10:59:40 < Thorn> wasn't me 2018-01-09T11:02:11 < dongs> any conspiracy theories 2018-01-09T11:11:17 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-09T11:20:02 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/08/man-overdoses-viagra-airport-strips-naked-hurls-poo-everyone-7212334/ 2018-01-09T11:49:22 < karlp> qyx: nothign new, heaps of rtg's in space, heaps on earth too. 2018-01-09T11:49:46 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T11:51:39 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-09T11:52:43 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-09T11:59:13 < BrainDamage> unless it falls over your head, dilution would make sure it's harmless on reentry 2018-01-09T12:09:23 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T12:09:25 < Laurenceb_> >Executive Time 2018-01-09T12:16:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-09T12:19:30 < tomeaton17> How hard is bitbanging uart? 2018-01-09T12:19:38 < dongs> doable 2018-01-09T12:20:57 < zyp> depends on baudrate 2018-01-09T12:21:16 < zyp> question is, why bother 2018-01-09T12:21:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T12:22:37 < Steffanx> Pcb revision time \o/ 2018-01-09T12:34:07 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T12:35:33 < tomeaton17> zyp its 115200 and the odroid doesnt have enough uart periphs for what I want 2018-01-09T12:35:50 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T12:37:24 < zyp> bitbanging uart on a linux system is a different matter than bitbanging uart on a microcontroller 2018-01-09T12:37:45 < zyp> on a odroid, forget about bitbanging and use some sort of usb-uart adapters or something 2018-01-09T12:37:58 < BrainDamage> a complex os with a non realtime task scheduler means your timing is going to be out of wack 2018-01-09T12:38:07 < qyx> tomeaton17: how many do you need? 2018-01-09T12:38:29 < qyx> there is another one hidden on a gpio, you need to tweak it a bit 2018-01-09T12:38:40 -!- kakimir [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-09T12:38:49 < tomeaton17> zyp The problem is that I need as many as possible 2018-01-09T12:39:04 < tomeaton17> There are some python examples online but I am developing in c++ 2018-01-09T12:39:10 < tomeaton17> qyx: That sounds interesting 2018-01-09T12:39:44 < sync> then add up to 128 with usb 2018-01-09T12:39:48 < qyx> I am bit worried though that "one" doesn't count as "as many as possible" 2018-01-09T12:41:06 < zyp> tomeaton17, don't you get ftdi chips with like four uarts in a usb device? 2018-01-09T12:43:41 < tomeaton17> zyp: Yeah the FT4232H, looks good 2018-01-09T12:43:51 < tomeaton17> qyx: What do you mean? 2018-01-09T12:44:27 < fest> tomeaton17: do you need bidirectional UART? 2018-01-09T12:44:36 < tomeaton17> fest: Yes 2018-01-09T12:45:43 < fest> if you needed TX-only, then you could probably abuse dma to gpio if soc has something like that 2018-01-09T12:46:23 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T12:48:21 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T12:51:18 < karlp> "as many as possible" 2018-01-09T12:51:29 < karlp> but yeah, usb. 2018-01-09T12:51:41 < karlp> ftdi and exar and silabs all have quad parts. 2018-01-09T12:58:05 < dongs> yeah dude get a usb hub and hookup a bunch of shit 2018-01-09T12:58:10 < dongs> nobody buttbangs uart on lunix 2018-01-09T12:58:17 < dongs> (im late to the party) 2018-01-09T12:59:05 < tomeaton17> alright thanks for the advice 2018-01-09T12:59:37 < emeryth> :^) https://github.com/themrleon/RpiSoft-UART 2018-01-09T13:00:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T13:00:26 < karlp> max 19200 baudrate emeryth 2018-01-09T13:00:42 < karlp> and Ibet it falls over pretty quick if you try running multiple of them 2018-01-09T13:03:55 < emeryth> that was rage bait 2018-01-09T13:05:34 < dongs> i know better than click on something wiht "RPI" in url 2018-01-09T13:13:05 < PaulFertser> So Apple is slowing down devices with old batteries so that they do not turn off abruptly due to current spikes leading to severe voltage drops, right? And after you change the battery they start working full speed again. So what's the problem, what all the fuss is about? 2018-01-09T13:14:11 < tomeaton17> They didnt reveal this earlier, and they did not tell tech support that people could fix the slowing down of their phones by changing the battery 2018-01-09T13:15:25 < PaulFertser> But now that they did, is everything proper? 2018-01-09T13:16:11 < PaulFertser> I mean I am supposed to be an "apple hater" but I can't see anything to "rage" about in this specific case. 2018-01-09T13:16:58 < tomeaton17> Well they clearly did not tell tech support how to fix the slowing down of the phones which you could assume is so that people will buy the newest model 2018-01-09T13:17:07 < PaulFertser> They improved stability of old devices, how is that related to "planned obsolence"? 2018-01-09T13:18:36 < PaulFertser> Incompetent tech support is nothing new. 2018-01-09T13:19:18 < tomeaton17> By not making users aware of how to fix the issue. If they said that at the start there would be no problem. But users with less technical knowledge would just buy the new phone thinkings its old/slow 2018-01-09T13:26:47 < jpa-> i haven't actually seen much rage anywhere except media 2018-01-09T13:27:14 < jpa-> and reporters just want to report about scandals even when there are none 2018-01-09T13:29:48 < karlp> PaulFertser: the definition of "old" battery is still very unclear, 2018-01-09T13:29:50 -!- kakimir [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T13:29:59 < karlp> it's been anecodotal for years that it's "just after new released come out" 2018-01-09T13:30:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T13:31:03 < PaulFertser> jpa-: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/08/france-investigates-apple-over-claims-of-planned-obsolescence 2018-01-09T13:32:07 < jpa-> so, they investigate and might drop the case once they come to the same conclusions as you 2018-01-09T13:32:08 < PaulFertser> karlp: the relevant code portion can't be that hard to find and RE, France can certainly afford paying for that. And it would be very silly if Apple wouldn't anticipate for it. 2018-01-09T13:49:01 < Steffanx> So I understand it right they released updates, which slowed down the phone intentionally and forgot to mention that? 2018-01-09T13:52:52 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T13:58:46 < marble_visions> hi all, has anyone noticed a stray byte popping into STM32F030's uart RDR during init? and a stray byte popping out of STM32F103's uart tx 2018-01-09T13:59:08 < marble_visions> with the m0 i can do gpio init then uart init and all is good 2018-01-09T13:59:22 < marble_visions> with the m3 i do uart init then gpio init and all is good 2018-01-09T13:59:37 < marble_visions> does anyone know why this happens? 2018-01-09T13:59:40 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T14:00:34 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T14:01:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-09T14:03:00 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has quit [Quit: bye] 2018-01-09T14:03:56 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T14:23:47 < karlp> "during init" ? 2018-01-09T14:31:07 < jpa-> sounds like your init routines do something weird, like write to the regs 2018-01-09T14:31:34 < jpa-> though stray RDR could come easily if you init GPIO later 2018-01-09T14:44:20 < marble_visions> karlp: after reset and sysclock init.. the first thing in my main() 2018-01-09T14:45:03 < marble_visions> jpa-: it's really weird.. but the init routines were double checked.. they write the proper values to the proper registers 2018-01-09T14:45:34 < marble_visions> if i break with a debugger in the interrupt routine, i see the RXNE flag set 2018-01-09T14:45:44 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znadzuqefbpkpotj] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T14:46:05 < jpa-> so you say that you get stray RX byte when you init uart first and gpio after it? 2018-01-09T14:46:11 < marble_visions> but as soon as i start trying to check the flag if it is set or not, the flag clears by itself 2018-01-09T14:47:04 < marble_visions> jpa-: yes, in stm32f030 doing uart init first and gpio init second leads to a stray RX byte (which is always 0x00) 2018-01-09T14:47:29 < marble_visions> in stm32f103 doing gpio init first and uart init second leads to a stray one or two TX bytes 2018-01-09T14:47:38 < jpa-> sounds reasonable, if gpio is not initialized yet, the RX line to the uart will probably be low, which seems like 0 byte or something 2018-01-09T14:47:56 < jpa-> whereas the stray TX seems stranger if you never write to the tx register 2018-01-09T14:48:38 < marble_visions> jpa-: well, i can only see a stray TX on the other end so it may be the GPIOs "settling in" 2018-01-09T14:49:52 < marble_visions> so is it reasonable to do gpio rx init first, peripheral init, gpio tx init second so that i don't have problems 2018-01-09T14:50:08 < marble_visions> is that how you guys do it? 2018-01-09T14:50:31 < jpa-> look with logic analyzer to see what is actually happening? 2018-01-09T14:50:58 < qyx> wut 2018-01-09T14:51:00 < jpa-> i init gpio first but just make sure that it has initial state of 1 2018-01-09T14:53:02 < marble_visions> for the RX issue, what would i observe with an oscilloscope/logic analyzer? i get a stray byte even with no wires connected to anything 2018-01-09T14:53:46 < jpa-> rx issue is pretty simple really, but nothing to observe externally 2018-01-09T14:54:36 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-09T14:54:49 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T14:55:24 < marble_visions> ha, the MOTD got me with the "/part" part 2018-01-09T14:56:25 -!- Activate_ [6d3c8e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.60.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2018-01-09T14:58:58 < jpa-> Steffanx is so evil 2018-01-09T14:59:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T14:59:28 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T15:01:05 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T15:01:24 < marble_visions> wasn't he a millenial as well? :) 2018-01-09T15:01:27 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T15:06:52 < jpa-> hmm, so ld is generating some veneers for me when i call a function that is located in ram; how can i control the placement of these, they don't seem to go into .text 2018-01-09T15:10:05 < jpa-> meh, i'll just call it through function pointer then 2018-01-09T15:10:26 < Steffanx> Lol marble_visions 2018-01-09T15:10:33 < Steffanx> Blame englishman 2018-01-09T15:10:43 < Steffanx> He came up with that iirc 2018-01-09T15:11:12 < branjb> englishman is a millenial 2018-01-09T15:11:27 < branjb> apparently anyone who is not a boomer is a millenial 2018-01-09T15:12:15 < branjb> MetLife which uses birth dates ranging 1977–1994,[26] and Nielsen Media Research which uses 1977–1995.[27][28] 2018-01-09T15:13:29 < branjb> also apparently millenials aren't actually millenials either 2018-01-09T15:14:46 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T15:15:59 < fest> attn dongs: https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/7218gh/templeos_creator_is_now_homeless/ 2018-01-09T15:18:54 < englishman> get out branjb you millenial. 2018-01-09T15:19:05 < englishman> wouldnt clearing RXNE be part of a sane init. 2018-01-09T15:19:41 < englishman> fest, didnt we know this when he was iiving in a van and got out of jail and smoked crack with an elderly hooker 2018-01-09T15:20:02 < kakimir> why this channel hates millenials? 2018-01-09T15:20:10 < kakimir> like anyone wouldn't 2018-01-09T15:20:28 < kakimir> includin millenials themself 2018-01-09T15:20:56 < fest> englishman: yeah, old news apparently 2018-01-09T15:21:21 < englishman> was runnin from the law for a few days there 2018-01-09T15:21:22 < fest> but a nice and succinct writeup 2018-01-09T15:21:39 < englishman> had a nice mugshot up on LV PD 2018-01-09T15:22:00 < englishman> also TempleOS is immune to meltdown 2018-01-09T15:22:31 < fest> let me check if there's an entry on John McAfee 2018-01-09T15:23:54 < fest> nope, can't find any 2018-01-09T15:24:51 < fest> in other news, it looks like temp. calibration of accel fixes (some of) my problems 2018-01-09T15:25:14 < fest> let's see if the next revision of PCB where sensor is mounted on a cutout in corner of PCB will be better 2018-01-09T15:29:44 < tomeaton17> Yeah I went with the FT4232H evaluation board will give it a go 2018-01-09T15:39:53 < karlp> immune to meltdown because everythign is in the same space "by design".... 2018-01-09T15:40:54 < kakimir> recommend remote desktop for windows machines? 2018-01-09T15:42:56 < srk> hmmm, who was this synth guy 2018-01-09T15:43:09 < srk> lost the channel and vids /o\ 2018-01-09T15:43:56 < karlp> konstantin something 2018-01-09T15:44:13 < BrainDamage> more than immune to meltdown it's vulnerable by design 2018-01-09T15:44:13 < karlp> search for tokarev synth 2018-01-09T15:44:16 < srk> yeah! 2018-01-09T15:44:17 < srk> ty 2018-01-09T15:49:42 < srk> heh, he does PCB milling as well, nice 2018-01-09T15:49:58 < srk> we have autoleveling solution for that 2018-01-09T15:54:51 < marble_visions> englishman: i clear rxne, (void) read the RDR, etc.. but the rx gets triggered on setting UE 2018-01-09T16:13:18 < karlp> sure you don't have anything odd connected to your pins? 2018-01-09T16:17:12 < marble_visions> karlp: nothing, the pins are unconnected 2018-01-09T16:17:48 < marble_visions> i'll doublecheck with the pcb guy though 2018-01-09T16:18:37 < Laurenceb> reee ST gyros 2018-01-09T16:20:27 < Laurenceb> https://filebin.ca/3nbwQcuYYv48/autoreport.pdf 2018-01-09T16:24:48 < englishman> marble_visions: unconnected as in floating? 2018-01-09T16:25:16 < Laurenceb> >be ST >want low noise gyor 2018-01-09T16:25:27 < Laurenceb> >just make up nonsense for datasheet 2018-01-09T16:25:33 < Laurenceb> or alternatively 2018-01-09T16:25:36 < englishman> just like everyone else? 2018-01-09T16:25:56 < Laurenceb> >bin the parts and give smartphone megacustomers the high quality shit 2018-01-09T16:25:59 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T16:27:41 < Laurenceb> tiem to get out the scope and look at power supply noise spectrum 2018-01-09T16:27:56 < Laurenceb> but the accel always meets spec so.... 2018-01-09T16:29:10 -!- enh [~enhering@179.95.79.64] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T16:33:57 < karlp> heh, new computer, can't compile old old avrdruino code, 2018-01-09T16:34:08 < karlp> I wonder if it just needs to be told the c standard... 2018-01-09T16:35:37 < kakimir> when I have a cyliderical shape in platic mold 2018-01-09T16:35:45 < kakimir> plastic 2018-01-09T16:36:14 < kakimir> horizontally 2018-01-09T16:36:20 < karlp> yes, std=c++98 to the rescue! 2018-01-09T16:36:47 < kakimir> in this case a hole for wire fixing 2018-01-09T16:37:04 < kakimir> there will be area that has vertical wall 2018-01-09T16:37:52 < kakimir> so I actually need to limit that wall too at certain angle? 2018-01-09T16:38:56 < marble_visions> englishman: unconnected as in i haven't plugged in the rx/tx/gnd from my usb2uart dongle to the board 2018-01-09T16:39:21 < marble_visions> but what happens from the mcu pins to the connector on the board needs to be doublechecked 2018-01-09T16:39:27 < marble_visions> i reckon 2018-01-09T16:39:55 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like power supply noise 2018-01-09T16:40:43 < Laurenceb> >Spanish grrrl connects to my fileserver 2018-01-09T16:40:53 < Laurenceb> >created a new directory 2018-01-09T16:41:03 < Laurenceb> >title is "reconquista" 2018-01-09T16:41:06 < Laurenceb> my sides 2018-01-09T16:42:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m4Nyg9UKCY 2018-01-09T16:46:31 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T16:54:17 < Laurenceb> http://archive.is/5sbb5 2018-01-09T16:54:19 < Laurenceb> lulwut 2018-01-09T16:57:09 < aandrew> in another chan the theory is that this is the best way to have plausible deniability 2018-01-09T16:57:19 < aandrew> yeah it was "lost" and we "don't know what happened to it" 2018-01-09T16:57:21 < Laurenceb> yeah this is weird 2018-01-09T16:57:26 < aandrew> it "probably" burned up 2018-01-09T16:57:28 < Laurenceb> seems suspect 2018-01-09T16:57:57 < Laurenceb> >Since the data reviewed so far indicates that no design, operational or other changes are needed, we do not anticipate any impact on the upcoming launch schedule 2018-01-09T16:58:05 < Laurenceb> lol this sounds v suspect 2018-01-09T16:58:40 < Laurenceb> sounds like they asked Trump to come up with a plan to make their sat uber secret 2018-01-09T16:58:54 < Laurenceb> "just randomly say it exploded" 2018-01-09T17:04:36 < Laurenceb> or test of prompt global strike 2018-01-09T17:07:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T17:07:54 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T17:15:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T17:24:12 -!- enh [~enhering@179.95.79.64] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-09T17:28:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T17:32:34 < qyx> is it spying yet? 2018-01-09T17:33:25 < marble_visions> what do you guys think of cmsis-rtos? anyone using it? i think it's worth it vs rolling out your own scheduler 2018-01-09T17:33:37 < marble_visions> but i don't know how it stacks up vs chibios and the like 2018-01-09T17:38:45 < aandrew> I think that unless you have a very good reason for doing it, reinventing Yet Another RTOS is a dumb idea 2018-01-09T17:39:34 < aandrew> IIRC CMSIS-RTOS is not an RTOS in its own right anyway - it is an API standard. IIRC They have a wrapper for FreeRTOS to be CMSIS-RTOS compliant 2018-01-09T17:43:33 < marble_visions> aandrew: correct. but keil have made cmsis-rtos implementation which might? pass as a reference.. since they're arm now 2018-01-09T17:43:51 < marble_visions> and i'm thinking giving that a try 2018-01-09T17:44:00 < marble_visions> completely agree with reinventing the wheel 2018-01-09T17:44:05 -!- Amun_Ra [~amun-ra@retro.rocks] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-09T17:44:16 < marble_visions> but i don't know what state of the art is and is it usable 2018-01-09T17:44:42 < marble_visions> i've heard really good stuff about chibi 2018-01-09T17:44:49 < aandrew> I can't get past the name 2018-01-09T17:45:35 < marble_visions> at least the mascot isn't anything anime-related.. 2018-01-09T17:49:50 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b049:e45b:97ab:b85] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T17:52:39 < Steffanx> Its more than just freertos right? I thought it was an abstraction on top of whatever rtos. 2018-01-09T17:53:06 < Steffanx> Nvm misread what aandrew said :¶ 2018-01-09T17:53:55 < Steffanx> But i thought they supplied more "back ends" than just freertos 2018-01-09T17:54:27 -!- kakimir [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-09T17:55:07 < marble_visions> Steffanx: who supplied those backends? the freertos people? 2018-01-09T17:56:44 -!- Amun_Ra [~amun-ra@retro.rocks] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T17:58:23 < marble_visions> Laurenceb: imagine the briefing on this mission. "you are going to launch it and then say what's inside this envelope labeled TOP SECRET" 2018-01-09T17:58:55 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T17:59:21 < marble_visions> but the govt departments got the messages mixed up so instead of one story they shipped three different ones to spacex, northrop and wsj 2018-01-09T17:59:38 < marble_visions> kinda like the oscar mixup 2018-01-09T18:01:43 < Laurenceb> >watching the oscars 2018-01-09T18:03:10 < Steffanx> Oh idk. I think i was wrong marble_visions 2018-01-09T18:03:50 < marble_visions> Laurenceb: i don't as well, but news gets to you when you live among other people 2018-01-09T18:03:58 < Steffanx> Was probably some github repo i found somehwere once 2018-01-09T18:04:02 < Laurenceb> >living among others 2018-01-09T18:04:08 < marble_visions> :d 2018-01-09T18:04:19 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-09T18:04:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.newseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Exhibits_FBI_Unabomber_G38924.jpg 2018-01-09T18:06:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T18:08:38 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T18:12:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T18:12:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T18:12:57 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T18:26:59 < aandrew> superbia: jews 2018-01-09T18:33:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T18:34:22 < Laurenceb> We have subconsciously benefitted since we were born from patriarchal privilege 2018-01-09T18:34:48 < Laurenceb> but I’m not afraid to admit that I’ve fallen foul of the patriarchy’s malicious hardwiring 2018-01-09T18:39:04 < Laurenceb> the truth about Zuma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc 2018-01-09T18:39:41 < Laurenceb> > Kind of depressing when you realize the reaction shots they used in the NASA command center were when those men realized the astronauts, and their friends, died. 2018-01-09T18:39:58 < Laurenceb> > illfaptothis: Actually, thank you for telling me this. It just makes it 10x funnier 2018-01-09T18:40:02 < Laurenceb> 4chan spotted 2018-01-09T18:46:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T18:52:05 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T18:55:21 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T18:57:25 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:48f:1e3a:6cd:6c6b] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T18:58:22 < Laurenceb> another Zuma theory: its all an internal security test to persuade employees to leak info so they can be fired 2018-01-09T19:00:49 < englishman> i can think of cheaper ways to do that. but this is ELON MUSK 2018-01-09T19:01:02 < englishman> GOKARTS ON MARS 2018-01-09T19:01:24 < Laurenceb> MAGIC STEAM HAS NO VOLUME 2018-01-09T19:01:34 < Laurenceb> NOW MY MATHS ALL WORKS 2018-01-09T19:05:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T19:06:27 < Laurenceb> ZUMA IS EMDRIVE 2018-01-09T19:07:07 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:48f:1e3a:6cd:6c6b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-09T19:12:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b8e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T19:28:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T19:29:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UsoDJM7NH0 2018-01-09T19:40:23 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycjwry-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T19:45:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-09T19:46:48 < Laurenceb> https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/wizard-of-oz-killer-synopsis.jpg 2018-01-09T19:48:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T20:02:12 < qyx> what happened to the st web 2018-01-09T20:02:22 < qyx> it is like 5x faster 2018-01-09T20:06:18 < Steffanx> it is> 2018-01-09T20:06:19 < Steffanx> ? 2018-01-09T20:06:21 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-09T20:06:42 < Steffanx> nope, the login is still as slow as ever qyx 2018-01-09T20:10:40 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-09T20:15:09 < englishman> well dont everyone try it at once 2018-01-09T20:19:05 < jadew`> old, but amazing: https://tribune.com.pk/story/918323/uk-to-ban-whatsapp-within-weeks/ 2018-01-09T20:19:33 < jadew`> UK must be the shittiest country in Europe 2018-01-09T20:20:57 < jadew`> reminds me of communism 2018-01-09T20:21:24 < jadew`> they used to have informers everywhere 2018-01-09T20:21:57 < Steffanx> We better turn brexit into banning brits from europe. 2018-01-09T20:21:57 < jadew`> informing on all the conversations people had and if you said something wrong, you went to jail 2018-01-09T20:22:13 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T20:22:15 < jadew`> lol Steffanx 2018-01-09T20:24:31 < jadew`> is there any other country where they have twitter police? 2018-01-09T20:25:21 < Steffanx> china. 2018-01-09T20:25:25 < Steffanx> turkey. 2018-01-09T20:25:40 < upgrdman> china doesn't have twitter police. twitter is outright blocked. 2018-01-09T20:25:44 < jadew`> right, all the wonderful places 2018-01-09T20:25:47 < upgrdman> of course, vpns exist. 2018-01-09T20:26:01 < jadew`> upgrdman, they're probably going to be illegal in UK 2018-01-09T20:26:04 < Steffanx> but when you do twitter you'll have the twitter police visit you upgrdman. 2018-01-09T20:26:14 < upgrdman> no 2018-01-09T20:26:38 < Steffanx> yes 2018-01-09T20:27:04 < jadew`> news like that scares the crap out of me 2018-01-09T20:27:09 < jadew`> especially when it's so close to home 2018-01-09T20:27:21 < upgrdman> if someone in china uses twitter they dont really care. unless they're trying to cause "trouble" (like organizing against the chinese gov, etc.) in which case the real police will get involved. 2018-01-09T20:28:10 < upgrdman> but as an individual, they dont really care about what you say online. just dont cause trouble by trying to organize riots, etc. 2018-01-09T20:28:16 < jadew`> you mean in UK? 2018-01-09T20:28:19 < upgrdman> chian 2018-01-09T20:28:28 < jadew`> sounds like you UK 2018-01-09T20:28:33 < jadew`> s/you// 2018-01-09T20:28:45 < upgrdman> sucks to be brittish then 2018-01-09T20:28:51 < upgrdman> rip laurence 2018-01-09T20:28:52 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: have you seen/tried https://github.com/EliasOenal/verzweiflung ? 2018-01-09T20:29:09 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, saw it. havent been to cn recently tho. will try it for sure. 2018-01-09T20:29:53 < Steffanx> i like how serious you took my trolling, upgrdman :P 2018-01-09T20:30:01 < upgrdman> :( 2018-01-09T20:30:05 < jadew`> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html 2018-01-09T20:30:41 < Steffanx> is that websiite a serious website anyway, Laurenceb? 2018-01-09T20:30:45 < Steffanx> .com.pk ?! 2018-01-09T20:30:48 < upgrdman> its just that there's lot of fucking up things about china, but the things i hear white people bring up and non-issues. 2018-01-09T20:31:01 < Laurenceb> >in Londonistan 2018-01-09T20:31:04 < upgrdman> anyway, fuck if i care, not my country. 2018-01-09T20:31:28 < Steffanx> lol such racism "white people". 2018-01-09T20:31:38 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-09T20:31:38 < jadew`> Steffanx, don't know if it's legit, but it sounds like something the UK would do 2018-01-09T20:31:40 < Laurenceb> .com.pk?? 2018-01-09T20:31:42 < Laurenceb> wut 2018-01-09T20:31:43 < jadew`> cehck the independent link 2018-01-09T20:32:27 < jadew`> "According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via social media." 2018-01-09T20:32:40 < Steffanx> "anyway, fuck if i care, not my country." applies here too jadew` :P 2018-01-09T20:32:50 < Laurenceb> >London 2018-01-09T20:32:52 < Laurenceb> who cares 2018-01-09T20:32:59 < jadew`> Steffanx, I'd feel the same if they left the EU already 2018-01-09T20:33:14 < Laurenceb> an overpriced dump where the only business is insurance scams 2018-01-09T20:33:17 < jadew`> but I don't like the idea of having an EU country with laws like that 2018-01-09T20:33:28 < Steffanx> ill report Laurenceb to the police for destroying shakers. 2018-01-09T20:33:34 < Steffanx> "Shaker-gate" . 2018-01-09T20:33:36 < Laurenceb> jail 4 lief 2018-01-09T20:41:46 < Laurenceb> >Please don't tell the Metropolitan Police about 4chan. 2018-01-09T20:41:50 < Laurenceb> lul comment deliver 2018-01-09T20:43:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T20:51:05 < qyx> doing lqfp100 L4 in eagle is meh 2018-01-09T20:51:18 < qyx> I should start using something more pro 2018-01-09T20:51:51 < jadew`> gEDA 2018-01-09T20:52:07 < qyx> I tried kicad multiple times 2018-01-09T20:52:12 < qyx> always failed 2018-01-09T20:52:19 < jadew`> I'm kidding about gEDA 2018-01-09T20:52:23 < jadew`> what's wrong with kicad? 2018-01-09T20:52:27 < jadew`> you know what the trick is? 2018-01-09T20:52:31 < jadew`> learn the shortcuts 2018-01-09T20:52:41 < jadew`> once you know them, it's very fast 2018-01-09T20:59:53 < Steffanx> sounds like diptrace is your only option thatn 2018-01-09T21:00:02 < Steffanx> or warezed altium, but who does something like that?! 2018-01-09T21:01:01 < jadew`> has anyone studied how diodes fail? 2018-01-09T21:01:33 < jadew`> I'm wondering if there's a mode of failure that makes the forward voltage increase 2018-01-09T21:05:06 < jadew`> I got some diodes from china and one of them is not like the others, although it has the same markings on it 2018-01-09T21:05:16 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znadzuqefbpkpotj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-09T21:05:35 < jadew`> its forward voltage is 100 mV higher than the other ones 2018-01-09T21:09:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T21:09:58 < jpa-> could just be some manufacturing error, wrong doping or something? 2018-01-09T21:10:59 < jadew`> could be 2018-01-09T21:21:38 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b049:e45b:97ab:b85] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-09T21:32:48 < aandrew> more likely some bondwire issue 2018-01-09T21:32:54 < aandrew> they make thousands of diodes on a wafer 2018-01-09T21:35:00 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:5032:35f3:1e43:58c5] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T21:36:23 < Laurenceb> Anyone still literally shaking right now? 2018-01-09T21:41:04 < Steffanx> You also webdev superbia? 2018-01-09T21:42:14 < Steffanx> +f 2018-01-09T21:42:28 < Steffanx> and a good evening to you too 2018-01-09T21:44:49 < Steffanx> i was Laurenceb. We had an earthquake yesterday and today of a whopping 3.4 and 0.7 :P 2018-01-09T21:45:32 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T21:47:55 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-09T21:47:58 -!- BrainDam1 is now known as BrainDamage 2018-01-09T21:49:22 -!- enh [~enhering@2804:1b0:f191:3639:5032:35f3:1e43:58c5] has quit [] 2018-01-09T21:52:24 < qyx> Steffanx: earthquake in nl? 2018-01-09T21:53:54 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T21:54:12 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-09T21:54:50 < Steffanx> qyx: Yeah, due to the natural gas drilling. It's getting a serious issue in the region i live in. Im glad i dont own a house. 2018-01-09T21:55:15 < qyx> wut 2018-01-09T21:56:31 < Steffanx> The ground is actualyl sinking qyx. And sometimes that causes earth quakes. 2018-01-09T21:56:55 -!- hdt551 [~hdt551@2600:1700:ff20:3d40:92b1:1cff:fe6e:7961] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T21:58:51 < Steffanx> atm the government just says: "Fuck you, we take the gas, and good luck with the shit it causes". 2018-01-09T22:11:40 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T22:15:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T22:15:53 -!- zapb__ [~zapb@2a01:4f8:c0c:3205::2] has quit [Quit: *] 2018-01-09T22:17:58 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@2a01:4f8:c0c:3205::2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T22:20:55 < qyx> Steffanx: unfunny :/ 2018-01-09T22:21:11 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T22:21:12 < qyx> btw, do you usually connect decoupling cap to the VBAT input? 2018-01-09T22:25:51 < Laurenceb> this is interesting 2018-01-09T22:26:01 < Laurenceb> adding a hub to usb reduces my gyro noise 2018-01-09T22:26:10 < Laurenceb> looks like I really do need a usb filter 2018-01-09T22:28:09 < emeb> heh - usb power is soooo dirty. who knew? 2018-01-09T22:28:09 < englishman> superbia: does opening that window have some funky effect 2018-01-09T22:28:50 < englishman> no dude i know what slack is 2018-01-09T22:31:15 < Laurenceb> emeb: I have 2x pi filters and a high spec vreg 2018-01-09T22:31:21 < Laurenceb> apparently not enough for st gyros 2018-01-09T22:32:30 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-09T22:32:55 < englishman> superbia: nothing i think my video card is dead. opening in new window makes all kinds of flashes 2018-01-09T22:33:23 < englishman> didnt know if it was just twitter taking a fucking year to render 1mb of jabbascrip or what 2018-01-09T22:33:24 < Laurenceb> mean is about 20% excess noise on gyros with one hub 2018-01-09T22:33:39 < Laurenceb> as opposed to about 3x without 2018-01-09T22:34:34 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@ip-37-201-5-52.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T22:34:35 < Laurenceb> but there is 1/f building vibration 2018-01-09T22:34:42 < Laurenceb> reee this is way too hard 2018-01-09T22:34:56 < Laurenceb> need a special mems testing room :P 2018-01-09T22:35:20 < emeb> with isolated foundation 2018-01-09T22:35:39 < emeb> separate pad w/ silicone gaskets 2018-01-09T22:35:44 < emeb> faraday cage 2018-01-09T22:35:49 < emeb> airlock 2018-01-09T22:39:02 < englishman> just like the conditions found in an ambulance 2018-01-09T22:46:47 -!- upgrdman__ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T22:46:51 < aandrew> Laurenceb: some lab a coworker was at for years had a huge marble slab that sat on a thick rubber mat of some kind 2018-01-09T22:47:11 < aandrew> they were measuring femtoamps and any movement caused error 2018-01-09T22:47:37 < aandrew> lead lined room and metal around the DUT as well 2018-01-09T22:51:17 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-09T22:57:34 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-09T23:13:00 < karlp> what sensing are you doing for femtoamps detectors? 2018-01-09T23:13:06 < karlp> is that like single photton shit? 2018-01-09T23:13:40 < aandrew> wasn't me 2018-01-09T23:13:45 < aandrew> and was a long time ago, 80s 2018-01-09T23:23:52 -!- Swappage [~rampage@unaffiliated/swappage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T23:29:24 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@ip-37-201-5-52.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-09T23:29:25 -!- Swappage [~rampage@unaffiliated/swappage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T23:31:05 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T23:31:10 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-09T23:37:31 < qyx> going to try that qspi awesomeness 2018-01-09T23:37:37 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T23:37:39 < qyx> much megabytes/s 2018-01-09T23:41:30 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-09T23:41:33 -!- BrainDam1 is now known as BrainDamage 2018-01-09T23:50:10 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T23:50:44 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T23:51:29 < Rob235> reflowing the mac was simple enough 2018-01-09T23:52:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T23:52:40 -!- BrainDam1 is now known as BrainDamage 2018-01-09T23:54:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b8e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-09T23:54:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2018-01-09T23:55:07 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-09T23:57:57 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-09T23:59:14 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Wed Jan 10 2018 2018-01-10T00:01:37 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T00:10:40 < Steffanx> and it worked Rob235? 2018-01-10T00:11:06 < Rob235> but of course 2018-01-10T00:11:56 < Steffanx> for now at least 2018-01-10T00:12:27 < Rob235> yea, I dont expect it to last forever but even if I have to do it every few months its easy enough to do until it dies for good 2018-01-10T00:12:53 -!- yaniv1 [yaniv1@bzq-82-81-11-141.red.bezeqint.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-10T00:22:18 -!- MightyPork [~MightyPor@is.aww.moe] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in] 2018-01-10T00:24:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T00:28:57 -!- MightyPork [~MightyPor@is.aww.moe] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T00:50:31 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T00:52:28 -!- upgrdman__ is now known as upgrdman 2018-01-10T00:53:33 < upgrdman> god fucking damn it. one of our "electronic engineers" in china doesn't feel comfortable with using a function generator, so he wants me to design a custom pcb for him. all he needs is a fucking 555. 2018-01-10T00:53:38 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T00:56:01 < sync> wut 2018-01-10T00:57:11 < upgrdman> the idiot just need to generate pulses. a god damn 555 and a potentiometer is all he needs. 2018-01-10T00:58:05 < sync> assberry and some python script 2018-01-10T00:58:06 < upgrdman> for some god damn reason he doesnt want to use a func gen, and he seemingly doesnt know how to wire up a 555 or some micro to do the job 2018-01-10T00:59:30 < sync> sounds like he would be a pro irc EE 2018-01-10T00:59:41 < sync> IRC certified™ 2018-01-10T01:00:15 < jadew`> maybe he's trolling you 2018-01-10T01:04:10 < upgrdman> jadew`, i wish. this isnt uncommon and i've met the guy IRL 2018-01-10T01:12:04 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-10T01:13:33 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-10T01:13:43 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T01:35:26 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-10T01:46:51 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T01:47:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T01:48:18 < Laurenceb_> muh html 2018-01-10T01:51:38 < Laurenceb_> muh usb 2018-01-10T01:51:42 < Laurenceb_> muh shaken babby 2018-01-10T01:52:20 < Laurenceb_> how babby shaken? 2018-01-10T01:52:25 < Laurenceb_> a: instain mammy 2018-01-10T02:02:42 < Laurenceb_> >Sargon and Jordan Peterson would probably get on well and agree on many topics 2018-01-10T02:02:59 < Laurenceb_> >but Peterson might struggle to keep up intellectually 2018-01-10T02:06:11 < jadew`> I dreamt Peterson once, he came to my christmas party 2018-01-10T02:06:42 < Ultrasauce> excuse me i'll have you know I aced my 555 capstone project for my irc-ee degree 2018-01-10T02:09:41 < Laurenceb_> it was a wet dream amirite? 2018-01-10T02:10:21 < jadew`> if I may use your expression, no homo 2018-01-10T02:11:02 < jadew`> he brought me some national geographic magazines and I told him I'm a fan of his lectures, but he got upset 2018-01-10T02:11:22 < jadew`> he said he's tired of people coming up to him with this shit in his free time 2018-01-10T02:13:06 < jadew`> soon after he went to a club 2018-01-10T02:13:26 < jadew`> I woke up a bit disappointed 2018-01-10T02:13:28 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T02:13:50 < englishman> Today Kodak and WENN Digital, in a licensing partnership, announced the launch of the KODAKOne image rights management platform and KODAKCoin, a photo-centric cryptocurrency to empower photographers and agencies to take greater control in image rights management. 2018-01-10T02:14:16 < jadew`> what? 2018-01-10T02:14:32 < stvn> the spectrum 2018-01-10T02:16:13 < stvn> good mroning 2018-01-10T02:18:03 < jadew`> morning 2018-01-10T02:19:48 < branjb> lol 2018-01-10T02:22:57 < branjb> i had to do diversity training today 2018-01-10T02:23:31 < Laurenceb_> memetic 2018-01-10T02:24:14 < branjb> it was hilarious, 50 people in the room, person doing the training kept trying to get audience participation and everyone refused to say anything 2018-01-10T02:24:20 < Laurenceb_> today we got *triggered* at work by a remote worker in Spain 2018-01-10T02:25:07 < jadew`> branjb, wth is diversity training? 2018-01-10T02:25:12 < Laurenceb_> she created a shared drive called "reconquista" then another called "anuddashoah" visible on everyones PC 2018-01-10T02:25:36 < jadew`> what does it mean? 2018-01-10T02:25:39 < branjb> where ppl talk about how to help women and minorities get ahead of the white malel 2018-01-10T02:26:26 < branjb> and how they usually have better ideas than (((the majority))) but systemically are discouraged from giving their input 2018-01-10T02:27:29 < jadew`> didn't you get triggered? 2018-01-10T02:27:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T02:27:57 < branjb> no i found it hilarious because the presentor kept asking people to share stories of where they saw instances of that happen but no one said anything 2018-01-10T02:28:12 < jadew`> lol 2018-01-10T02:29:01 < branjb> they also talked about how they are starting an autism department and trying to harness autism 2018-01-10T02:29:03 < branjb> no joke 2018-01-10T02:29:25 < jadew`> lmfao 2018-01-10T02:29:54 < jadew`> is this shit mandatory for businesses or they do it on purpose? 2018-01-10T02:30:13 < branjb> they are doing things like flexible hours, work from home options, custom desks/chairs, custom lights. whatever they can to get autistic engineers to do their thing 2018-01-10T02:30:24 < branjb> a little of both 2018-01-10T02:33:58 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T02:36:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-10T02:36:36 < sync> branjb: I know some people working in such outfits 2018-01-10T02:36:40 < sync> it is not a bad idea 2018-01-10T02:37:11 < stvn> branjb: lol 2018-01-10T02:38:01 < stvn> why not build an autism reactor 2018-01-10T02:46:33 < jadew`> sounds like that's what they're trying to do 2018-01-10T02:56:46 < stvn> indeed 2018-01-10T02:57:58 -!- solrize [~solrize@unaffiliated/solrize] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2018-01-10T03:01:07 -!- kow__ [~Ensign@135.0.26.150] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T03:01:17 < Rob235> I wanted to see how much my old mbp was.. I'm rich! https://www.ebay.com/itm/MacBook-Pro-15-Laptop-LATE-2011-4TB-SSD-16GB-BLU-RAY-DRIVE-OS-X-2016-non-retina/262848673124?_trkparms=aid%3D555019%26algo%3DPL.BANDIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150817211709%26meid%3D2c036874c9aa4f7a8d33d766518864e8%26pid%3D100506%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26&_trksid=p2045573.c100506.m3226 2018-01-10T03:01:50 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T03:03:09 < jadew`> wtf? 2018-01-10T03:03:32 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-10T03:04:25 < Rob235> must be a scammer 2018-01-10T03:04:38 < Rob235> i like that they put os x 2016 to try to fool people 2018-01-10T03:04:51 < stvn> iirc those models had failing gfx cards or worse 2018-01-10T03:05:04 < stvn> most did anyway 2018-01-10T03:05:04 < Rob235> yea thats what I just fixed on mine, used a good ole heat gun 2018-01-10T03:05:15 < stvn> yeah good luck with that haha 2018-01-10T03:05:17 < Rob235> figured id try to fix it before I threw it out 2018-01-10T03:05:27 < Rob235> its working now, I know its not permanent 2018-01-10T03:05:33 < stvn> probably about all it deserves 2018-01-10T03:05:33 < Rob235> but im happy with it so far 2018-01-10T03:05:37 < stvn> flip a coin 2018-01-10T03:05:52 < Rob235> i replaced it when it first died anyway 2018-01-10T03:06:08 < stvn> i have absolutely NO use for osx so i'll never buy a mack 2018-01-10T03:06:09 < Rob235> this ones a mid 2015 2018-01-10T03:06:20 < Rob235> i dont have a need for it but I like it 2018-01-10T03:06:58 < Rob235> and i really like the all alum body design 2018-01-10T03:07:17 < Rob235> im sure others having similar for cheaper but most windows laptops are crappy plastic 2018-01-10T03:14:47 < Rob235> I forgot how slow the first SSDs mac used were 2018-01-10T03:14:55 < stvn> lol 2018-01-10T03:14:58 < stvn> smash it 2018-01-10T03:15:11 < Rob235> I spent $1000 on the 512GB 2018-01-10T03:15:40 < Rob235> actually my first mbp was a gift from my gf 2018-01-10T03:25:54 < Laurenceb_> where ppl talk about how to help women 2018-01-10T03:26:11 < Laurenceb_> its funny cuz the women are the biggest edgelords where I work 2018-01-10T03:29:19 < Laurenceb_> http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/89/89fe280419fd8e6245423727dccde86ed0bf6e54fc02e81d2324eaea9e59d710.jpg 2018-01-10T03:30:07 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/072/855/4c9.jpg 2018-01-10T03:30:10 < Laurenceb_> irl lolld 2018-01-10T03:34:00 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/c03H0wv 2018-01-10T03:40:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCNS85RDdA funny how eevbeg thinks its a scam 2018-01-10T03:40:40 < dongs> when his project is a scam in itself 2018-01-10T03:40:41 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-10T03:41:02 < dongs> invzim: attn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSRGBv9enU 2018-01-10T03:42:12 < aandrew> I'm running a mid 2012 11" air. love it. would love a new 11" air but they don't make 'em 2018-01-10T03:42:22 < Laurenceb_> GIGGAWATTS?? 2018-01-10T03:42:43 < Laurenceb_> David Jones is stvn confirmed 2018-01-10T03:43:27 < stvn> n 2018-01-10T03:43:53 < stvn> the dogs are here 2018-01-10T03:43:56 < Laurenceb_> I'll send u the chlamydia and scabies through the screen 2018-01-10T03:44:09 < aandrew> tactical wank, lol 2018-01-10T03:45:55 < stvn> the chlamydia 2018-01-10T03:46:00 < aandrew> wtf downscale to 1024x768? 2018-01-10T03:47:35 < aandrew> why would you want to add distortion to your screen? 2018-01-10T03:47:56 < stvn> if I move to a different cuntry will people stop thinking i'm eevflog? 2018-01-10T03:48:24 < aandrew> if you still talk like a crock's got your by the balls and is squeezing them in time with your speech... no 2018-01-10T03:49:07 < Laurenceb_> kek 2018-01-10T03:50:42 < Laurenceb_> this Zuma this is pretty funny 2018-01-10T03:50:55 < Laurenceb_> I think its just the NSA trolling us as revenge for Snowden 2018-01-10T03:52:00 < stvn> rofl 2018-01-10T03:54:35 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Quit: memes] 2018-01-10T03:54:48 < jsoft> Do you cat's reckon it would be worth getting into C++ for stm32 stuff ? 2018-01-10T03:55:26 < aandrew> I keep getting closer to that line 2018-01-10T03:56:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3077830/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/spy-satellites-rise-faked-fall/#.WlVyVNeXWf4 2018-01-10T04:03:14 < Laurenceb_> >in the late afternoon of the 8th, rumours appeared on Twitter of a Zuma launch failure 2018-01-10T04:03:15 < Laurenceb_> lul 2018-01-10T04:03:37 < Laurenceb_> NSA literally just goes on Twitter and spews some shit 2018-01-10T04:04:59 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T04:14:50 < stvn> oy 2018-01-10T04:27:01 < stvn> hi Laurenceb 2018-01-10T04:28:44 < Laurenceb_> hello fellow troll 2018-01-10T04:29:00 < Laurenceb_> tomorrow I will investigate usb noise 2018-01-10T04:29:03 < Laurenceb_> funtimes 2018-01-10T04:29:20 < Laurenceb_> but I should probably quit myjerb 2018-01-10T04:29:29 < Laurenceb_> as nobody knows what it even is 2018-01-10T04:29:35 < Laurenceb_> babby shake.. something 2018-01-10T04:29:51 < stvn> indeed 2018-01-10T04:29:55 < stvn> nobody knows 2018-01-10T04:30:25 < dongs> why the fuck does microsoft think i fucking NEED malicious software removal tool 2018-01-10T04:30:34 < dongs> i don't think i've ever in my life run it 2018-01-10T04:30:47 < dongs> Fucking garbage 2018-01-10T04:30:56 < Laurenceb_> we have 4 million bongpounds to do 2018-01-10T04:31:00 < Laurenceb_> ... something 2018-01-10T04:31:02 < stvn> clean it up 2018-01-10T04:31:21 < stvn> piss it away like zano do 2018-01-10T04:31:25 < Laurenceb_> haha 2018-01-10T04:31:31 < Laurenceb_> literally zano 2.0 2018-01-10T04:32:49 < Laurenceb_> tomorrow I have a project meeting 2018-01-10T04:33:05 < Laurenceb_> I'm gunna tell them we might want to consider vibration up to 500hz 2018-01-10T04:33:11 < Laurenceb_> this will end badly 2018-01-10T04:33:23 < Laurenceb_> as everyone has been looking at <50hz 2018-01-10T04:33:29 < stvn> also make sure you buy 10 imacs 2018-01-10T04:33:34 < Laurenceb_> good idea 2018-01-10T04:33:50 < stvn> do what ivan do, he is an aussie 2018-01-10T04:34:04 < Laurenceb_> oh shit 2018-01-10T04:34:07 < Laurenceb_> I just realised 2018-01-10T04:34:14 < Laurenceb_> I'm literally doing an ivan 2018-01-10T04:34:22 < Laurenceb_> he spent ages making calibration rigs 2018-01-10T04:34:59 < Laurenceb_> thats what I was doing this week 2018-01-10T04:35:13 < Laurenceb_> tfw I have become ivan 2018-01-10T04:35:41 < Laurenceb_> >try to calibrate indoors 2018-01-10T04:35:59 < Laurenceb_> >whole building is LITERALLY SHAKING and there are stray magnetic fields 2018-01-10T04:36:05 < Laurenceb_> >try to calibrate outside 2018-01-10T04:36:13 < Laurenceb_> >my laptop makes too much emi 2018-01-10T04:36:27 < Laurenceb_> epin fail 2018-01-10T04:36:33 < stvn> does it even have an fcc logo on the underside 2018-01-10T04:36:47 < stvn> or aliexpress laptop? 2018-01-10T04:36:49 < Laurenceb_> its a thinkpad 2018-01-10T04:36:54 < Laurenceb_> IBM 2018-01-10T04:37:01 < stvn> you still have a fucking IBM? 2018-01-10T04:37:03 < Laurenceb_> IBM btfo 2018-01-10T04:37:04 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-10T04:37:10 < stvn> centrino? 2018-01-10T04:37:21 < Laurenceb_> yes, how did you know :P 2018-01-10T04:37:34 < stvn> centrino was great.... it was intel's way of saying yes the PIII is better than P4 2018-01-10T04:38:47 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should use... a RPI!!! 2018-01-10T04:38:58 < Laurenceb_> its shitty linear regs will prob mean low noise 2018-01-10T04:38:59 < stvn> yeah 2018-01-10T04:39:27 < stvn> easy 2018-01-10T04:39:59 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T04:40:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T04:40:17 < Laurenceb_> putting a dell docking station in the middle reduces noise from ~3x datasheet to ~30% excess 2018-01-10T04:40:45 < stvn> idkwtf you are doing 2018-01-10T04:40:52 < dongs> hes runing lunix 2018-01-10T04:40:53 < dongs> on desktop 2018-01-10T04:40:57 < dongs> problem #1 2018-01-10T04:41:48 < Laurenceb_> >cuz lunix causes shitty noise on usb 2018-01-10T04:41:53 < dongs> yes 2018-01-10T04:42:27 < dongs> gawd. i clicked on some faggot headphones scamstarter link on indienono 2018-01-10T04:42:31 < dongs> and now all i see is google ads for that shit 2018-01-10T04:43:01 < stvn> lol 2018-01-10T04:43:20 < Laurenceb_> >tfw I make product using ebay dell docking station duck taped to the sensors 2018-01-10T04:43:49 < aandrew> wut 2018-01-10T04:44:18 < Laurenceb_> its surprisingly good at mopping up noise 2018-01-10T04:44:32 < Laurenceb_> makes st gyros almost meet datasheet 2018-01-10T04:45:09 < stvn> yeah muscles 2018-01-10T04:46:48 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/thumb/09bf41544a/74646_md.png 2018-01-10T04:47:07 < Ultrasauce> oh man look at how broad that soundstage has gotten 2018-01-10T04:47:11 < Laurenceb_> more or less meets spec up to 200hz 2018-01-10T04:47:36 < Ultrasauce> you should try using oxygen-free copper to decrease your sample jitter 2018-01-10T04:47:55 < stvn> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Viewsonic-E70-17-CRT-Monitor/152855566482 2018-01-10T04:50:17 < aandrew> I'm ont sure I understand 2018-01-10T04:50:39 < aandrew> a dell docking station duct taped to a sensor makes the sensor stable? 2018-01-10T04:50:44 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-10T04:51:09 < Laurenceb_> it has some DC-DC converters inside that fire up for some reason and fix the nasty 2018-01-10T04:51:12 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2018-01-10T04:51:49 < dongs> zyp: cable parts arriving tomrorow, then they'll maek 2018-01-10T04:51:55 < aandrew> ah the power supply in the docking station has a surprisingly good power supply 2018-01-10T04:52:06 < dongs> a sample first, and if approved will do the 25 2018-01-10T04:55:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T05:17:00 < upgrdman> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bdd4Iv3B1yW/ 2018-01-10T05:18:17 < Ultrasauce> I too enjoy hearing damage 2018-01-10T05:18:29 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, this is quieter but very good: 2018-01-10T05:18:35 < upgrdman> typical black man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NBW46uhAXw 2018-01-10T05:23:41 < ReadErr> ohsix: do u like car ECU shit 2018-01-10T05:27:19 < dongs> better question would be, do you like autism 2018-01-10T05:28:26 < ReadErr> ^ 2018-01-10T05:29:45 -!- stvn [0ec95732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.201.87.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-10T05:57:19 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-10T06:02:54 < ds2> hmmmm MIPS 2018-01-10T06:03:08 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T06:06:49 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T06:08:13 < stvn> shitcoin 2018-01-10T06:11:59 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-10T06:13:26 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T06:16:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-10T06:18:11 < dongs> good luck, faggot 2018-01-10T06:21:24 < stvn> why not just precious metals 2018-01-10T06:21:31 < stvn> they'll never go down in value 2018-01-10T06:21:36 < stvn> JEWGOLD 2018-01-10T06:24:25 < stvn> attaching money to burnt computational energy is pretty fucking stupid 2018-01-10T06:32:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T06:40:59 < dongs> attach money to taking a dump 2018-01-10T06:46:52 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-10T06:54:19 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/yEK3mkd.gifv 2018-01-10T07:08:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-10T07:14:51 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T07:16:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-10T07:17:52 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T07:17:53 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T07:17:56 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-10T07:23:11 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T07:24:17 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T07:25:45 < stvn> lol 2018-01-10T07:40:55 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2018-01-10T07:41:28 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T07:43:54 < stvn> harmonic bong 2018-01-10T07:44:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T07:48:42 < englishman> kodak up 44% on news of new buttcoin 2018-01-10T07:49:29 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-10T07:50:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T07:51:34 < stvn> oh jesus 2018-01-10T07:53:32 < emeb_mac> they're *innovating* 2018-01-10T07:54:59 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-10T07:57:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T08:01:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-10T08:01:54 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-10T08:03:09 < MrMobius> excel is broken dog shit 2018-01-10T08:03:12 < MrMobius> that is all 2018-01-10T08:03:14 < dongs> nope 2018-01-10T08:04:08 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-10T08:06:06 < englishman> not since lotus 1-2-3 has there been a finer spreadsheet program 2018-01-10T08:06:49 < dongs> i ran 123 on atari portfolio to calculate my jew profits 2018-01-10T08:07:00 < englishman> supercalc was a close contender 2018-01-10T08:07:28 < MrMobius> even google's lolware has less bugs than this 2018-01-10T08:07:39 < dongs> try running office 2018 you faggot 2018-01-10T08:07:42 < dongs> and not some garbage like office 2003 2018-01-10T08:07:58 < dongs> y/y/y 2018-01-10T08:08:39 < englishman> google sheets is for meme tracking and little else 2018-01-10T08:08:43 < MrMobius> ya Im stuck on 2013 2018-01-10T08:09:32 < dongs> quick q to ws2812 faggots 2018-01-10T08:09:39 < dongs> if I stop refreshing the array does it keep latest values? 2018-01-10T08:09:46 < englishman> of course 2018-01-10T08:09:57 < dongs> fucked if i know :) thats why I ask 2018-01-10T08:10:11 < englishman> thats like half the reason to use them 2018-01-10T08:10:25 < dongs> my current code just keeps refreshing 2018-01-10T08:10:31 < dongs> i guess I should make it so it only does on updated data 2018-01-10T08:10:46 < dongs> they flicker so bad too 2018-01-10T08:10:48 < dongs> wiht constant updates 2018-01-10T08:14:41 < dongs> yeah i use it all the time 2018-01-10T08:14:57 < dongs> so what 2018-01-10T08:15:16 < dongs> haha 2018-01-10T08:17:19 < dongs> shut the fuck up 2018-01-10T08:18:44 < dongs> yes or that 2018-01-10T08:22:21 < dongs> its already opensores 2018-01-10T08:22:23 < dongs> nice try 2018-01-10T08:23:37 < dongs> he paid way too much 2018-01-10T08:23:56 < dongs> (250k) 2018-01-10T08:24:03 < dongs> yeah but who wants to be in USA 2018-01-10T08:24:18 < dongs> you can get citizenship./passport in some random african places for around 20-25k tops 2018-01-10T08:24:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T08:24:28 < dongs> takes about half a year but there;'s actually companies doing this "service" 2018-01-10T08:24:54 < dongs> well, you dont actually have to ever step your foot into the place 2018-01-10T08:24:58 < dongs> thats the point 2018-01-10T08:25:20 < dongs> to have an identity for money laundering and shit 2018-01-10T08:26:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkbnmWeWv0E for some reason I thought that said 'finding phone numbers' 2018-01-10T08:26:55 < dongs> was super surprised when it wasnt dialing anything 2018-01-10T08:27:54 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T08:29:42 < dongs> digital money already eixsts and works 2018-01-10T08:29:50 < dongs> there's no fucking need to tie that shit with soem bullshti power-wasting sceheme 2018-01-10T08:30:13 < dongs> do you think banks physically send your cash wehn you do a wire transfer? 2018-01-10T08:30:13 < dongs> duh 2018-01-10T08:30:45 < dongs> yes? and? 2018-01-10T08:30:56 < dongs> anyway, im not getting into argument about shitcoin with you 2018-01-10T08:30:58 < dongs> its a waste of time 2018-01-10T08:31:01 < dongs> for both 2018-01-10T08:31:13 < MrMobius> lol 2018-01-10T08:33:08 < dongs> yes if you don't mind waiting several hours at checkout until they gather as many confirmations as they want to check your buttcoin 2018-01-10T08:34:01 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycjwry-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-10T08:40:56 < dongs> Second developer of WikiLeaks inspired submission system "SecureDrop", security expert James Dolan, aged 36, 2018-01-10T08:40:59 < dongs> has tragically died. He is said to have committed suicide. 2018-01-10T08:41:02 < dongs> haha 2018-01-10T08:41:04 < dongs> more paranoid fucks gone 2018-01-10T08:42:59 < dongs> doesnt matter 2018-01-10T08:45:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-23b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T08:45:30 < dongs> maybe he lost his shitcoin 2018-01-10T08:48:36 < jsoft> Say I need to write a portable C++ class, which uses a serial port to talk smack to some module. What would you say is the best way to allow you to set the uart periphial ? 2018-01-10T08:49:43 < dongs> for what, windows? 2018-01-10T08:49:50 < jsoft> My only thinkings so far would be passing function pointers which sends or receives a byte 2018-01-10T08:49:52 < dongs> just list ports and give user a list? 2018-01-10T08:49:54 < dongs> wait waht 2018-01-10T08:50:05 < jsoft> for uC's 2018-01-10T08:50:22 < dongs> how would you handle shit like DMA 2018-01-10T08:50:25 < dongs> what the hell dude 2018-01-10T08:50:30 < jsoft> lol. 2018-01-10T08:50:45 < jsoft> Ok then, say it's a c library then. 2018-01-10T08:51:12 < dongs> i ehard there's arduino for stm32 2018-01-10T08:51:17 < dongs> you can see how they did Serial class 2018-01-10T08:51:23 < dongs> ^_^ 2018-01-10T08:51:29 < jsoft> I am not talking about the serial stuff it's self 2018-01-10T08:51:47 < jsoft> that's not what I am trying to impliment 2018-01-10T08:52:39 < jsoft> the library is for a lora module. The uart stuff is not the actual concern 2018-01-10T08:53:04 < dongs> then yeah, just set iostruct.read/write pointers. 2018-01-10T08:53:07 < dongs> done. 2018-01-10T08:55:14 < jsoft> Hmm. 2018-01-10T08:56:45 < englishman> 1954 debouncer http://www.righto.com/2018/01/examining-1954-ibm-mainframes-pluggable.html 2018-01-10T08:57:35 < englishman> lol dont listen to r2tard he doesnt even have spi working, and works for a company competing with lora (and failing) 2018-01-10T08:58:39 < dongs> hahaaahahaah 2018-01-10T08:59:42 < jsoft> englishman, heh :0 2018-01-10T09:00:12 < jsoft> lora seems to work fine for me. low power and long range. 2018-01-10T09:03:21 < englishman> yeah lora is great 2018-01-10T09:04:46 < dongs> hmm 2018-01-10T09:05:12 < dongs> i fixed up my C and now matrix scan loop difference between O3 and O0 is only like 300 clock cycles 2018-01-10T09:05:31 < dongs> (5300 vs 5600 2018-01-10T09:05:49 < dongs> R2COM: midi keyboard with velocity 2018-01-10T09:06:47 < dongs> it uses gaycc so yes 2018-01-10T09:07:35 < dongs> keil made it pretty easy to switch between clang adn armcc now 2018-01-10T09:07:43 < dongs> it even carries over all includes/defines from project settings 2018-01-10T09:07:55 < dongs> before you had to maintain a separate set for both 2018-01-10T09:10:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-23b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-10T09:10:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-10T09:10:53 < dongs> ha ha. 2018-01-10T09:10:56 < dongs> except they do 2018-01-10T09:11:37 < dongs> those 100 bytes could be the difference between buying 100k of 8k flash STMs vs 32k flash 2018-01-10T09:16:41 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T09:17:06 < qyx> jsoft: you make an interface helper functions to call methods (to remove dependency on the actual implementation), like lora_read(LoRa *self, uint8_t *buf, bla bla) 2018-01-10T09:17:32 < qyx> then the typedef struct {} LoRa, inside function pointers to methods ("virtual method table") 2018-01-10T09:17:37 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-10T09:17:57 < qyx> and also a void *context pointer to pass reference of the instance 2018-01-10T09:18:41 < qyx> and then the code which implements the interface allocates space for a LoRa struct (a new interface instance) 2018-01-10T09:19:02 < qyx> sets context to itself (it can be eg. lora spi port address or whatever) 2018-01-10T09:19:10 < qyx> and sets function pointers in the virtual method table 2018-01-10T09:19:29 < jsoft> qyx, so that lora_read(...) is done by the person using the library right / 2018-01-10T09:19:32 < jsoft> ? 2018-01-10T09:19:32 < qyx> and then the code which want to use the LoRa interface just calls lora_read(blah..) 2018-01-10T09:19:36 < qyx> yes 2018-01-10T09:19:39 < jsoft> Right 2018-01-10T09:19:47 < qyx> but there is no dependency on the actual implementation 2018-01-10T09:19:53 < jsoft> Yeah kinda the only way I could figure out how to do it 2018-01-10T09:20:28 < jsoft> Hmm 2018-01-10T09:21:45 < qyx> I am doing it this way and it works reasonably 2018-01-10T09:21:57 < qyx> also it looks more readable for me 2018-01-10T09:22:20 < qyx> better would be to switch to c++, but thats meh 2018-01-10T09:22:37 < jsoft> Yeah I am half thinking of using c++ here. 2018-01-10T09:22:44 < dongs> overcomplication i think 2018-01-10T09:22:58 < dongs> just make a struct with read/write function pointers and set it from user space 2018-01-10T09:23:02 < dongs> and your lib calls the shit. 2018-01-10T09:23:05 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@213.144.130.227] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T09:23:07 < dongs> don't even bother checking if its null 2018-01-10T09:23:13 < dongs> because if it is, the user is a fucktard anyway 2018-01-10T09:23:21 < jsoft> dongs, I thought that was what qyx was suggesting ? 2018-01-10T09:23:32 < dongs> it is but hes talking about memory allocation and shit 2018-01-10T09:23:50 < jsoft> Oh right. Yeah I am not sure why that is required 2018-01-10T09:24:00 < dongs> just have a static struct inside the lib with whatever ptrs neededf and setio(readptr, writeptr) to configure it 2018-01-10T09:24:15 < qyx> it is the same as inheriting from an interface directly in oop 2018-01-10T09:24:21 < qyx> vs. creating an interface instance 2018-01-10T09:24:35 < qyx> = lot of mess and multiple inheritance 2018-01-10T09:24:41 < qyx> vs nice code 2018-01-10T09:24:47 < jsoft> I do not like the idea of inheritance. 2018-01-10T09:25:48 < jsoft> All I was thinking of doing was a Lora class, and something like setReadFunction(function_ptr) and same for write. And the user writes and set's those. 2018-01-10T09:25:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-10T09:25:59 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-10T09:26:02 < jsoft> And then orders a tasty burger 2018-01-10T09:26:03 < dongs> that works, done 2018-01-10T09:27:11 < jsoft> All right cool. 2018-01-10T09:27:21 < jsoft> Now I have to get off my arse and write it 2018-01-10T09:30:18 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T09:31:12 < qyx> I need to redo my sch 2018-01-10T09:31:27 < qyx> because sdmmc interface pins are mostly fixed 2018-01-10T09:31:34 < qyx> no cube, much fun 2018-01-10T09:33:51 < jsoft> cube is handy as eh 2018-01-10T09:35:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@62.88.128.136] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T09:54:24 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T09:57:16 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T09:57:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@62.88.128.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-10T10:05:52 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T10:08:21 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T10:13:25 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-10T10:30:11 < dongs> wat the fuck 2018-01-10T10:30:33 < dongs> im even getting bounce on CD4051 multiplexed shit 2018-01-10T10:30:41 < dongs> fuck 2018-01-10T10:30:50 < dongs> this keyboard is the worst fucking matrix ever 2018-01-10T10:31:09 < dongs> fucking chink faggots saved $0.10 on pcb and shift registers 2018-01-10T10:31:14 < dongs> to make garbage hardware 2018-01-10T10:32:52 < MrMobius> i heard they dont even bother to fix cheap shit like tv remotes since mindless channel surfers just keep mashing the button when it doesnt work the first time 2018-01-10T10:36:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-10T10:43:28 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T10:55:16 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-98-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T10:55:25 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-10T10:57:32 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-10T11:02:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-98-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-10T11:02:27 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-98-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T11:04:51 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-10T11:07:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T11:13:36 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-98-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-10T11:14:52 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-10T11:18:31 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T11:18:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-98-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T11:35:03 < jsoft> Man, what a pain in the ass it is to mix c and c++ in ac6 2018-01-10T11:36:57 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-10T11:49:09 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T11:51:02 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T11:59:30 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-98-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-10T12:06:53 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-10T12:11:29 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T12:15:24 < zyp> dongs, nice 2018-01-10T12:17:37 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T12:26:16 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T12:27:05 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/JymtWBV.png any non-insane way to make 2 arrays out of this data? 2018-01-10T12:27:54 < dongs> bank0[24] would have 0 in it, bank1[41] would have 78 in it 2018-01-10T12:28:06 < dongs> i mean i can jsut manually sit and fill them but im lazy as fuck 2018-01-10T12:29:25 < dongs> i feel like i should be able to stick t his in separate tabs on a worksheet 2018-01-10T12:29:33 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-10T12:29:33 < dongs> and type in some VBA formula and it spits the array out 2018-01-10T12:38:40 < jsoft> Well fuck me. I got c++ working on a CubeMX project. 2018-01-10T12:47:02 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T12:47:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T12:51:21 < jsoft> Seems if you ln -s main.c main.cpp and exclude main.c from resource buildy stuff, it all works happy 2018-01-10T12:51:43 < jsoft> And then cubemx should work with it's changes too 2018-01-10T12:51:57 < dongs> ... 2018-01-10T12:52:54 < jsoft> what. 2018-01-10T12:53:53 < jsoft> dongs, im just converting an existing C / CubeMX / Sysworkbench project to c++. 2018-01-10T12:53:56 < jsoft> Is all. 2018-01-10T12:54:32 < dongs> just because you can do something, doesn't mean you shoould 2018-01-10T12:54:49 < jsoft> Well thanks for that generic statement 2018-01-10T12:54:50 < jsoft> :P 2018-01-10T12:59:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-10T13:00:47 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-10T13:02:48 < Steffanx> Im glad you read the chapter in the ##stm32 manual called "dongs - fucking aids shit, keil ftw" 2018-01-10T13:02:54 < Steffanx> Mr jsoft 2018-01-10T13:02:56 -!- jadew` [~razvan@5-12-158-28.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T13:04:32 < jsoft> Is that your way of saying dongs is anti anything which is not his way of doing things? 2018-01-10T13:04:41 < dongs> naw 2018-01-10T13:04:43 < dongs> im anti wasting time 2018-01-10T13:04:47 < dongs> which is waht youre doing 2018-01-10T13:04:57 < dongs> i tried to like shitmx autogeneated code 2018-01-10T13:05:09 < dongs> ended up adding exactly two things into main.c and taking everything else outside the project 2018-01-10T13:05:12 < dongs> setup() and loop() 2018-01-10T13:05:25 < dongs> so I never have to see the aids that cube generates 2018-01-10T13:05:52 < jsoft> I mostly use cube stuff to set up all the crap. 2018-01-10T13:06:04 < jsoft> and then use registers and what not from there. 2018-01-10T13:06:30 < Steffanx> Hah, exactly jsoft :) 2018-01-10T13:08:08 < jsoft> dongs, in fact I think I also have two things in main.c, a header and a function call to my external shit. 2018-01-10T13:08:46 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.121.84.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T13:13:00 < qyx> Steffanx: is there sich manual? 2018-01-10T13:13:05 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-10T13:13:32 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T13:13:40 < stvn> theepot 2018-01-10T13:16:57 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T13:24:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T13:25:02 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-10T13:25:56 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T13:28:46 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-10T13:29:14 < Steffanx> Hah no qyx 2018-01-10T13:31:09 < Steffanx> Better ask stvn to write the ##stm32 biography 2018-01-10T13:32:00 < stvn> yeah mate 2018-01-10T13:34:05 < stvn> the day a supercomputer melted down computing how many times senpai had posted NIGGER in the last 10 years 2018-01-10T13:34:32 < dongs> not as many times as you think 2018-01-10T13:34:40 < dongs> < R2COM> you dont have to be citizen of some nigger country to do that 2018-01-10T13:34:41 < stvn> [: 2018-01-10T13:34:43 < dongs> R2com said it last 2018-01-10T13:35:18 < stvn> r2pro 2018-01-10T13:50:17 < kikes> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19PihgdAPq0Z1U-glufjC8qqmb1NwaWvU/view?usp=sharing anyone have a guess what micro and led driver chips are on the board? 2018-01-10T13:50:28 < kikes> smaller one is micro and bigger is certainly led driver 2018-01-10T13:51:39 < kikes> stm8? 2018-01-10T13:53:17 < stvn> looks like a dog's breakfast to me 2018-01-10T13:53:32 < stvn> chinese as fuck 2018-01-10T13:53:41 < dongs> SCT makes led drivers 2018-01-10T13:53:46 < dongs> they're usually pin to pin clones of TI shit 2018-01-10T13:53:59 < dongs> i'm using SCT2024 or something which is a clone of some TI 16 cahnnel constant current driver 2018-01-10T13:54:24 < dongs> but yeah looks chinese as FUCK 2018-01-10T13:55:33 < kikes> okay chineseum 2018-01-10T13:55:47 < kikes> are those sct shiets even any good? 2018-01-10T13:55:53 < kikes> compared to ti? 2018-01-10T13:56:09 < dongs> they're the same but cost liek .10 2018-01-10T13:56:19 < dongs> i mean, you cant really fuck up a constant current led driver 2018-01-10T13:56:23 < kikes> same performance? 2018-01-10T13:56:25 < dongs> sure 2018-01-10T13:56:31 < kikes> efficiency and shiet? 2018-01-10T13:56:34 < dongs> shrug 2018-01-10T13:56:35 < kikes> nic 2018-01-10T13:56:38 < dongs> my shit aint battery powered 2018-01-10T13:57:05 < karlp> jsoft: what are you using for lora base station? you're deploying your own? 2018-01-10T13:57:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T13:58:10 < jsoft> karlp, nah not at the moment, I am using a telco or whatever a lora provider person is called. 2018-01-10T13:58:20 < jsoft> karlp, I do want to get my own lora station thingy though. 2018-01-10T13:58:34 < jsoft> Currently it's ~7km away 2018-01-10T13:58:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2018-01-10T13:58:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T13:59:51 < karlp> yeah, this whole lora provider situation is why I still don't get the hype with lora. 2018-01-10T14:00:03 < dongs> wat 2018-01-10T14:00:06 < dongs> 'station'? 2018-01-10T14:00:34 < karlp> lora needs like cell towers 2018-01-10T14:00:42 < dongs> huh no shit 2018-01-10T14:01:21 < jsoft> karlp, yeah a provider is nothing though, it's just some dick with a gateway 2018-01-10T14:01:38 < karlp> yeah, but you need toa ctually deploy them eveywhere in the world you want to use your devices. 2018-01-10T14:01:59 < jsoft> Well here the company deploys them about the place a fair amount. 2018-01-10T14:02:12 < jsoft> I lied, too, its only 5km away. 2018-01-10T14:02:21 < jsoft> just measured it on google maps 2018-01-10T14:02:29 < jsoft> 5.2km 2018-01-10T14:02:38 < jsoft> But it works on its lowest power setting :) 2018-01-10T14:03:26 < jsoft> I really need to get off my ass and sort out some code + circusry for a s1234 whatever they are 2018-01-10T14:03:47 < jsoft> Those generic everything uses them things 2018-01-10T14:03:54 < jsoft> semtech something something. 2018-01-10T14:04:19 < jsoft> SX1273 or whatever 2018-01-10T14:04:21 < kikes> thanks dongs 2018-01-10T14:04:59 < jsoft> karlp, and not cell towers. Just some kind of lora gateway thing connected to the intertubes 2018-01-10T14:05:19 < jsoft> It could be some $100 device connected at home. perhaps even less if you made one yerself. 2018-01-10T14:06:46 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-10T14:07:12 < BrainDamage> cell towers as in equivalent functionality, base stations / hubs 2018-01-10T14:07:51 < jsoft> well cell towers imply cell networks, ie, phones 2018-01-10T14:08:03 < BrainDamage> 'like' 2018-01-10T14:08:13 < stvn> shitter 2018-01-10T14:08:57 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-82-27.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T14:10:30 < karlp> jsoft: yes, but the point remains, you need to either a) deploy your own lora stations or b) rely on a provider for every region in the world you want to sell your parts, and have agreements with them all. 2018-01-10T14:10:57 < karlp> both of those sound _reallllly_ unappealing for lots of use cases being pumped for lora, 2018-01-10T14:11:05 < karlp> but totalllllly fine for some of the other use cases of course. 2018-01-10T14:11:24 < zyp> how does lora auth shit work, is there something like the sim cards used in phones? 2018-01-10T14:11:41 < jsoft> zyp, nah it's dnoe via keys and shit 2018-01-10T14:11:41 < zyp> if so, leave the provider problem to the user 2018-01-10T14:12:02 < zyp> jsoft, keys provided by who? 2018-01-10T14:12:17 < jsoft> either you ( if you have the gateway ) or the provider 2018-01-10T14:12:37 < zyp> well, a sim card is just a storage for keys and shit 2018-01-10T14:12:55 < jsoft> Then I guess it's like that then 2018-01-10T14:15:16 < karlp> zyp: yeah, but leaving the provider problem to the user requires that the user _has an option_ for a lora network where they are. 2018-01-10T14:15:40 < zyp> that doesn't change anything 2018-01-10T14:15:49 < PaulFertser> I'd say a sim card is a specific part of smartcard, and so it's not just a storage because it doesn't provide any way to extract the key out of it. 2018-01-10T14:16:00 < karlp> zyp: what do you mean? 2018-01-10T14:16:05 < zyp> PaulFertser, PKI blah blah, point still stands 2018-01-10T14:16:24 < zyp> PaulFertser, it's a mechanism for the user to provide credentials 2018-01-10T14:17:04 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, and one that the end-user or attacker can't clone. 2018-01-10T14:17:13 < PaulFertser> Even having physical access 2018-01-10T14:17:24 < BrainDamage> if you market the lora-using system as requiring a provider/gateway, then it's responsibility of the user to not buy the system if it doesn't fit its needs 2018-01-10T14:17:25 < PaulFertser> That might make a difference in certain usecases. 2018-01-10T14:17:30 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99VgZlkwHIU 2018-01-10T14:17:37 < jadew> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/meltdown-spectre-exploits-intel-amd-arm-nvidia,36219.html 2018-01-10T14:18:11 < dongs> oh no moerw uselss shitdown hypwe 2018-01-10T14:18:24 < dongs> tehre's nothing to understand 2018-01-10T14:18:32 < dongs> attack vector is impossible for normal users or normal machines 2018-01-10T14:18:34 < dongs> its too slow to be useful 2018-01-10T14:18:39 < dongs> its basically just overhyped bullshit 2018-01-10T14:18:46 < jadew> why is it too slow? 2018-01-10T14:18:47 < BrainDamage> jadew: you're mixing shit up 2018-01-10T14:18:50 < zyp> karlp, AFAIK lora is unlicensed freqs, so user always has the option to deploy their own stations, right? 2018-01-10T14:18:54 < dongs> because you can probably read it at something like 1500 bytes/minute 2018-01-10T14:18:55 < jadew> BrainDamage, I thought so 2018-01-10T14:18:58 < dongs> good luck going through 32gigs of ram 2018-01-10T14:19:00 < dongs> looking for a password 2018-01-10T14:19:00 < jadew> the video is much earlier than the article 2018-01-10T14:19:01 < dongs> at taht rate 2018-01-10T14:19:02 < PaulFertser> karlp: isn't lora working in ISM and so it's not a problem for an enduser to deploy his/her own hubs? 2018-01-10T14:19:05 < jadew> are those two different exploits? 2018-01-10T14:19:06 < jpa-> things network + option for custom lorawan keys seems quite reasonable 2018-01-10T14:19:09 < dongs> who cares 2018-01-10T14:19:18 < BrainDamage> jadew: 3 2018-01-10T14:19:21 < BrainDamage> sorry, 4 2018-01-10T14:19:22 < dongs> tune out fagdown+scepter from your twitter feed and youre done 2018-01-10T14:19:40 < zyp> karlp, so if your product has a mechanism for providing the credentials, it's up to the user to provide the credentials for either an existing network or one they set up themself 2018-01-10T14:19:41 < jsoft> are you always a negative fucker, dongs? 2018-01-10T14:20:01 < dongs> no im just super tired of hearing this shit when it affects literally noone 2018-01-10T14:20:07 < jadew> dongs, you don't have to go through 32gb of ram at that rate 2018-01-10T14:20:09 < BrainDamage> intel me bug is one exploit, known since several months, spectre and meltdown are a class of 3 bugs, publicly known since few days 2018-01-10T14:20:12 < dongs> lol @ all the retards rushing in to patch shit for a non-existing problem 2018-01-10T14:20:13 < jadew> you can just write some code in the ram 2018-01-10T14:20:16 < dongs> and getting fucked with performance 2018-01-10T14:20:20 < jadew> and have that code look through the rest of the ram 2018-01-10T14:20:23 < dongs> jadew: THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS STRICTLY READ ONLY 2018-01-10T14:20:26 < dongs> you cannot write SHIT 2018-01-10T14:20:36 < dongs> its completely fucking useless 2018-01-10T14:20:38 < jadew> dongs, not the thing that guy talks about in the video 2018-01-10T14:20:49 < dongs> i dont care waht some fag talks about in the video 2018-01-10T14:20:51 < jadew> it's a read/write backdoor built into the CPU 2018-01-10T14:20:53 < dongs> i dont watch retards on youtube 2018-01-10T14:21:03 < dongs> yeah thats intel ME shit, again more unexploitable shit 2018-01-10T14:21:13 < BrainDamage> meltdown bug strictly impact kernel - userland isolation, while spectre bugS will impact shit around 2018-01-10T14:22:01 < BrainDamage> zyp: yes, lora uses ism bands 2018-01-10T14:22:44 < PaulFertser> dongs: can't it defeat KASLR and hence doesn't require to scan all the memory for something specific in kernel or other userspace program? 2018-01-10T14:22:49 < zyp> so lora is essentially just a slow long-range wifi 2018-01-10T14:23:32 < dongs> PaulFertser: i dont know/care, all I know is there's some 0.00000000000000000000000001% chance for a successful attack for normal users 2018-01-10T14:23:38 < dongs> its not practical at all 2018-01-10T14:23:44 < qyx> yes 2018-01-10T14:23:49 < dongs> literally walking up to a computer and smashing it is more effective 2018-01-10T14:23:54 < qyx> additionally with weird modulation 2018-01-10T14:24:24 < jpa-> yeah, the only practical attack for single-user machines was the javascript spectre POC, and that's easy enough to block in the browser 2018-01-10T14:24:26 < jsoft> zyp, Yeah its good at long distance low power shit. 2018-01-10T14:24:30 < srk> karlp: we're trying to build TTN connected lora infra here until someone sees profit and deploys their own private crap 2018-01-10T14:24:56 < srk> jpa-: installed noscript to my other machine as well today :) 2018-01-10T14:25:06 < PaulFertser> dongs: 1500 bytes/s is plenty, if you defeat KASLR you can then find all in-kernel crypto keys in less than a second, and retrieve them in few more. 2018-01-10T14:25:13 < BrainDamage> srk: ttn? 2018-01-10T14:25:18 < dongs> PaulFertser: per minute 2018-01-10T14:25:30 < srk> BrainDamage: the things network 2018-01-10T14:25:40 < BrainDamage> ah 2018-01-10T14:25:55 < stvn> this computer is a porn machine 2018-01-10T14:25:58 < jsoft> I've got my own wee server which grabs the shit and shows it on pretty graphs 2018-01-10T14:25:58 < PaulFertser> dongs: still, same ballpark. You wouldn't notice it being executed, especially when not using your computer interactively. 2018-01-10T14:26:14 < jsoft> the provider simply forwards the nodes data on 2018-01-10T14:26:18 < srk> jsoft: wee server? 2018-01-10T14:26:20 < jadew> and computers can work non-stop 2018-01-10T14:26:26 < jadew> it doesn't matter if it takes 2 days to break in 2018-01-10T14:26:26 < jsoft> srk, a vps. 2018-01-10T14:26:30 < srk> a yeah 2018-01-10T14:26:39 < srk> same here, although connected to TTN via mqtt 2018-01-10T14:26:47 < jsoft> Hmm ok 2018-01-10T14:26:48 < srk> stored in timescale, rendered by grafana 2018-01-10T14:27:05 < jsoft> I wrote an erlang thing and it forwards on to.. things board I think it is 2018-01-10T14:27:08 < srk> postgresql with timescale I mean 2018-01-10T14:27:20 < srk> mine is a haskell thingie ;) 2018-01-10T14:27:38 < jsoft> :) 2018-01-10T14:27:43 < jsoft> erlang is more betterer! 2018-01-10T14:27:55 < srk> maybe in some parallel universe 2018-01-10T14:28:03 < srk> just kidding 2018-01-10T14:28:05 < jsoft> In any kind of message broker universe :) 2018-01-10T14:28:46 < srk> but we have erlang for haskell :D https://haskell-distributed.github.io/ 2018-01-10T14:28:55 < jsoft> ugh 2018-01-10T14:29:40 < jsoft> does it pass messages? 2018-01-10T14:29:49 < srk> yup 2018-01-10T14:30:10 < srk> evm is nice though, erlang not that much due to syntax 2018-01-10T14:30:11 < jsoft> So 'hey mr process over whever you are, take this' 2018-01-10T14:30:24 < jsoft> I kinda like the erlang syntax now 2018-01-10T14:30:31 < srk> likely why ppl seem to prefer elixir 2018-01-10T14:30:41 < jsoft> yeah that is very close to erlang 2018-01-10T14:31:09 < qyx> wtf erlang haskell 2018-01-10T14:31:26 < qyx> I used mqtt, python, influxdb and grafana 2018-01-10T14:31:34 < qyx> no weird languages 2018-01-10T14:32:08 < srk> python is not weird, haha lol 2018-01-10T14:32:09 < jsoft> Meh 2018-01-10T14:32:25 < jsoft> I gotta say, erlang is the fucking shit for live systems 2018-01-10T14:33:15 < jsoft> I was running a 'live' system on a server, and developing on my own workstation. I'd commit it, pull on the server, compile. done. 2018-01-10T14:33:25 < jsoft> Changes took effect immediately. 2018-01-10T14:33:31 < srk> live reloading? 2018-01-10T14:33:33 < jsoft> yep 2018-01-10T14:33:46 < Ultrasauce> so you can break the production environment with maximum efficiency 2018-01-10T14:33:47 < srk> cool, that's a very nice feature of evm 2018-01-10T14:33:59 < jsoft> Ultrasauce, it's why you test on the dev environment 2018-01-10T14:34:07 < qyx> Ultrasauce: lol 2018-01-10T14:36:27 < srk> jsoft: I wrote a sokoban solver once for fun that would spawn a new process for every possible state and then terminate if one process finds solution 2018-01-10T14:36:48 < srk> not quite efficient but scalable and fun :D 2018-01-10T14:37:11 < srk> on some mazes it would spawn like 2M processes until it found sol 2018-01-10T14:37:35 < jsoft> srk, hehe :D 2018-01-10T14:37:50 < jsoft> srk, well on shit like amazon ec2 that can sort shit nice and quick 2018-01-10T14:38:55 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/47X_jb.jpeg 2018-01-10T14:39:00 < Laurenceb> murican house prices 2018-01-10T14:39:49 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCNS85RDdA 2018-01-10T14:40:12 < kikes> weird package 2018-01-10T14:40:20 < kikes> has 4 side pins 2018-01-10T14:40:28 < dongs> jadew: did you just discover internet 2018-01-10T14:40:36 < dongs> 10:40 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCNS85RDdA funny how eevbeg thinks its a scam 2018-01-10T14:40:39 < dongs> 21:39 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCNS85RDdA 2018-01-10T14:40:53 < jadew> didn't see your link 2018-01-10T14:41:09 < srk> dongs: when "repost" is not enough 2018-01-10T14:41:28 < dongs> its funny because eevbeg multimeter is most definitely a cash-grab scam 2018-01-10T14:41:43 < dongs> yet he calls out copycats on indiegogo as being scammers 2018-01-10T14:41:49 < dongs> cuz they're not doing exactly same shit hes doing 2018-01-10T14:41:55 < srk> scamming a scammer is ok 2018-01-10T14:42:06 < dongs> thats my point 2018-01-10T14:42:13 < jadew> what's funny is that you say you hate EEVBlog but you're always up to date 2018-01-10T14:42:14 < dongs> so he shouldnt be angry 2018-01-10T14:42:26 < dongs> jadew: i get retweets of that shit on irc like seconds after it goes up0 2018-01-10T14:42:33 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74583.jpg 2018-01-10T14:42:36 < dongs> i'm not subbed to his channel and I've never watched any of his shit for any length of time 2018-01-10T14:42:53 < Laurenceb> E X P A N S I V E 2018-01-10T14:43:34 < karlp> zyp: I see what you're getting at, I just don't see the "or set one up themselves" as actually viable for lora deployments 2018-01-10T14:43:47 < dongs> why not 2018-01-10T14:44:11 < dongs> you have a farmland with sensors on it, you stick a basestation on a barn and done 2018-01-10T14:45:22 < BrainDamage> /some/ of the lora usecases somehow magically assume there's a pervasive network of base stations, like vehicle monitoring 2018-01-10T14:45:37 < Laurenceb> unlike sigfox which actually is 2018-01-10T14:45:45 < zyp> karlp, it's viable for wifi, so idk 2018-01-10T14:45:55 < dongs> < BrainDamage> /some/ of the lora usecases < their problem for not RTFM'ing 2018-01-10T14:46:42 < dongs> boss doubleclicks st.com spam in inbox, wow this looks neat, lets use it 2018-01-10T14:47:38 < karlp> it's more an issue I have with the way lora is being pushed as "the" solution for everything connected by some of the vendors 2018-01-10T14:47:57 < Laurenceb> the solution to filling the spectrum with shit 2018-01-10T14:48:07 < dongs> i've only heard about it from this channel, so no idea :) 2018-01-10T14:48:31 < dongs> https://chocolatey.org/ waht the fuck is this garbage 2018-01-10T14:48:54 < BrainDamage> the next step in making windows more lunix 2018-01-10T14:49:12 < karlp> we're getting local vodafone tryign to push lte-m or nb-iot or whatsit, "use this!" 2018-01-10T14:49:12 < dongs> have they considered that nobody would actaully want this shit? 2018-01-10T14:49:13 < dongs> lmao 2018-01-10T14:49:25 < dongs> i mean, how is this better than double clicking setup.exe 2018-01-10T14:49:29 < dongs> and uninstalling from control panel? 2018-01-10T14:49:30 < karlp> "why? is it cheaper?" "umm. no?, but... can you test it for us? we want to.... do something with it?" 2018-01-10T14:49:32 < srk> karlp: nb-iot, yeah :D 2018-01-10T14:49:36 < srk> same here 2018-01-10T14:49:43 < srk> nobody cares 2018-01-10T14:49:44 < srk> :D 2018-01-10T14:50:10 < karlp> "oh, it uses less power? we're mains connected, permanently online, we don't give a flying fuck" 2018-01-10T14:50:28 < srk> except for one hackerspace that got a huge donation from them to build sensoric network on top of their solution 2018-01-10T14:51:04 < srk> good think is that you can easily swap radios for lora :D 2018-01-10T14:53:59 < dongs> hackerspace? more like wankerspace 2018-01-10T14:54:30 < jsoft> What is a hacker space? 2018-01-10T14:54:57 < Laurenceb> where hipsters gather 2018-01-10T14:55:05 < jsoft> to do what 2018-01-10T14:55:24 < dongs> a bunch of unshaven nerds collect together and discuss various lunix distros and jerk off together to arduinos and gay porn 2018-01-10T14:55:34 < jsoft> :| 2018-01-10T14:55:35 < stvn> megaton methlab 2018-01-10T14:55:44 < jsoft> So what do they actually do ? 2018-01-10T14:55:51 < dongs> vice or something did a thing on some hackerspace 2018-01-10T14:55:54 < stvn> ^^ 2018-01-10T14:55:59 < dongs> it was pasted in here a week or two ago 2018-01-10T14:56:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_PMOZ9bBo 2018-01-10T14:56:11 < Laurenceb> ^hackerspace activities 2018-01-10T14:56:20 < srk> aww 2018-01-10T14:56:30 < srk> we have none of this at our hackerspace 2018-01-10T14:56:41 < jsoft> wtf are you weirdos on about 2018-01-10T14:56:47 < dongs> jsoft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wGMjRJpLCA 2018-01-10T14:56:51 < dongs> here's a typical hackersapce 2018-01-10T14:57:00 < Laurenceb> oh my god the cuckface 2018-01-10T14:57:20 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=numale+face&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjir-2Muc3YAhWoLcAKHb8GD6EQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=900 2018-01-10T14:57:54 < Laurenceb> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/moxNyHdZZYE/maxresdefault.jpg 2018-01-10T14:57:55 < stvn> change gay porn to hentai and i'd say that's 100% 2018-01-10T14:58:14 < srk> we have "linux gays" something on the door 2018-01-10T14:58:28 < srk> still better than windoze loosers xD 2018-01-10T14:58:38 < srk> "cause my proprietary software is just better!" 2018-01-10T14:59:54 < jsoft> dongs, so it's a workshop thing for nerds 2018-01-10T15:00:10 < dongs> yes but with shit tools that any self-respecting nerd would already have 2018-01-10T15:00:16 < dongs> already have better versions of 2018-01-10T15:00:21 < srk> yeah yeah 2018-01-10T15:00:22 < dongs> so it only attracts poor fucks who cant afford shit 2018-01-10T15:00:28 < srk> go click your project in cubemx you fucktard 2018-01-10T15:00:35 < dongs> on my way, lunix faggot!!!! 2018-01-10T15:00:39 < srk> :* 2018-01-10T15:00:43 < jsoft> :| 2018-01-10T15:00:52 < jsoft> Wtf. I don't get it. 2018-01-10T15:01:04 < jsoft> What's the big problem. 2018-01-10T15:01:05 < srk> don't even try, waste of cpu cycles 2018-01-10T15:01:51 < Laurenceb> perpetual virginity 2018-01-10T15:02:29 < jsoft> Or just 'I want to make shit, I don't have the shit to make what I want, I'll use someone elses shit' 2018-01-10T15:03:27 < dongs> jsoft 2018-01-10T15:03:29 < dongs> chances are 2018-01-10T15:03:32 < dongs> that you have no idea how to use said shit 2018-01-10T15:03:35 < dongs> and you'll jsut fuck it up 2018-01-10T15:03:37 < dongs> for everyone 2018-01-10T15:03:45 < dongs> (not that it matters, cuz "everyone" is still a faggot anyawy) 2018-01-10T15:04:04 < jsoft> lol. 2018-01-10T15:04:08 < dongs> you know why they don't just let random faggots walk into a lab with FIB in it and start using it right 2018-01-10T15:04:24 < dongs> cuz if they do, you'll be -$500k or something of equipment 2018-01-10T15:05:09 < Laurenceb> lul this reminds me of uni experiences 2018-01-10T15:05:12 < jsoft> Oh because thats what's going to be loitering around in one of these hacker spaces. Get your head out of your pompus ass. 2018-01-10T15:05:22 < Laurenceb> I literally had to buy over 100 tweezers 2018-01-10T15:05:28 < Laurenceb> and about 12 hot air stations 2018-01-10T15:05:42 < aandrew> crazy 2018-01-10T15:05:48 < jsoft> Laurenceb, what? 2018-01-10T15:05:50 < Laurenceb> someone incinerated a bundle of network cables with a hot air tool 2018-01-10T15:06:01 < aandrew> I think I've got 8 tweezers but they came in packs of 45 2018-01-10T15:06:08 < Laurenceb> jsoft: when I was postgrad at uni 2018-01-10T15:06:20 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T15:06:24 < dongs> he used to run the local "hackerspace" 2018-01-10T15:06:26 < Laurenceb> some perman00b would break or steal something on a daily basis 2018-01-10T15:06:30 < Laurenceb> sometimes hourly 2018-01-10T15:06:33 < dongs> darude: sandstorm 2018-01-10T15:06:48 < jsoft> Laurenceb, right 2018-01-10T15:06:57 < sandstorm> dongs: raise your -ers 2018-01-10T15:06:58 < Laurenceb> that or convert the workshop into a mosque 2018-01-10T15:07:14 < jsoft> Well, the idea of these hacker spaces sounds all good. 2018-01-10T15:07:16 < jsoft> IMO. 2018-01-10T15:07:16 < Laurenceb> >be me 2018-01-10T15:07:17 < BrainDamage> well, the point of a univ lab is getting experience, shit getting broken is covered by the tuition 2018-01-10T15:07:18 < sandstorm> d-_-b 2018-01-10T15:07:25 < Laurenceb> > need to do soldering 2018-01-10T15:07:30 < Laurenceb> >go to workshop 2018-01-10T15:07:36 < Laurenceb> >about 30 asses in the air 2018-01-10T15:07:45 < Laurenceb> >allahu ackbar 2018-01-10T15:09:34 < Laurenceb> 60% of students are listening to crazy imam guy 2018-01-10T15:09:42 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-10T15:09:47 < Laurenceb> 20% are randomly praising allah 2018-01-10T15:09:52 < dongs> is your uni in turbanham 2018-01-10T15:09:55 < Laurenceb> 10% are stealing tweezers 2018-01-10T15:09:57 < stvn> yeah wtf 2018-01-10T15:09:58 < srk> jsoft: hackerspaces are cool but everyone is different. it's all about ppl in the end 2018-01-10T15:10:04 < Laurenceb> 5% are selling weed 2018-01-10T15:10:09 < srk> jsoft: if you get too many dongs it sucks :) 2018-01-10T15:10:14 < Laurenceb> 5% are setting shit on fire with hot air guns 2018-01-10T15:10:20 < Laurenceb> ^typical day at uni 2018-01-10T15:10:25 < stvn> how many are raping 2018-01-10T15:10:43 < jsoft> Well I bought a hot air gun a while ago, and never fucked anything up 2018-01-10T15:11:17 < jsoft> Surely people have common sense dictates gradual experimentation/learning 2018-01-10T15:11:18 < Laurenceb> jsoft: its only a matter of time before you discover the urge 2018-01-10T15:11:19 < stvn> okay 2018-01-10T15:11:22 < Laurenceb> the urge to singe 2018-01-10T15:11:33 < Laurenceb> and overheat electric cables for teh lulz 2018-01-10T15:11:38 < stvn> hmmm 2018-01-10T15:13:15 < Laurenceb> how many are raping 2018-01-10T15:13:21 < Laurenceb> they would need grrrls for that 2018-01-10T15:13:38 < Laurenceb> tho I wouldnt put it past some of them to go gayraping 2018-01-10T15:14:08 < Laurenceb> I did see a grrrl in the uni workshop once 2018-01-10T15:14:22 < Laurenceb> but she was shitposting on 4chan (ya really) 2018-01-10T15:14:24 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T15:15:30 < stvn> sounds normal 2018-01-10T15:16:19 < stvn> enob 2018-01-10T15:16:36 < Laurenceb> there seems to be a guy in the fire escape selling weed 24/7 2018-01-10T15:16:48 < Laurenceb> glad I didnt do e eng undergrad tbh 2018-01-10T15:16:56 < PaulFertser> hm, this summer I worked with a bunch of school pupils aged ~14 and they had two hot air stations but the most damaging act was making a puddle of solder and then getting seriously burnt by it. 2018-01-10T15:17:11 < branjb> lol 2018-01-10T15:17:19 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/taiwanese_police_malware/ haha 2018-01-10T15:20:26 < karlp> hrm, register 16, "code signature" 2018-01-10T15:20:46 < karlp> value is 0xa98ac7..... => which is "11111111" 2018-01-10T15:20:50 < karlp> excellent. 2018-01-10T15:20:56 < PaulFertser> A nice talk about the equipment needed to "see" what a big molecule really looks like, and how it reacts: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8832-free_electron_lasers 2018-01-10T15:22:10 < stvn> they can fuck it right off 2018-01-10T15:22:17 < stvn> later guise 2018-01-10T15:22:18 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ~] 2018-01-10T15:22:47 < Laurenceb> low effort trolling 2018-01-10T15:30:26 < dongs> karlp: 0x249249 is good too 2018-01-10T15:31:33 < dongs> that cchocolate.org is hilarious 2018-01-10T15:31:40 < dongs> 42k total packages 2018-01-10T15:31:45 < dongs> 4k "known good packages" 2018-01-10T15:31:49 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T15:31:53 < dongs> same page tehy'er advertising choclotatey for business 2018-01-10T15:32:10 < dongs> yyeah umm lets trust our business to some lunix faggots who think insdtalling software on windows must be a command-line affair 2018-01-10T15:33:41 < karlp> dongs: 0x249249 ? whats that? 2018-01-10T15:34:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-10T15:35:26 < Laurenceb> there were about 160 porn connection requests per device per day on average from computers and other devices connected to the parliamentary network between June and October 2017 2018-01-10T15:35:29 < Laurenceb> my sides 2018-01-10T15:36:45 < srk> dongs: lol, installing software from random sources is definitely better 2018-01-10T15:38:24 < dongs> karlp: 111111whatever in octal 2018-01-10T15:38:47 < dongs> srk, i'll take signed installer.exe from official site over any bullshit cli crap 2018-01-10T15:38:53 < karlp> people use octal? 2018-01-10T15:38:57 < dongs> yes ? 2018-01-10T15:39:06 < dongs> its actually officially used in C 2018-01-10T15:39:12 < dongs> unlike the 0b abortion gcc extension 2018-01-10T15:39:18 < dongs> whereas 01111111= octal 2018-01-10T15:39:41 < srk> lottsa fun looking for official sites to download crappy installers for all of the crap you need 2018-01-10T15:40:00 < dongs> srk, anyone who is not a retard has a local apps cache on nas/whatever 2018-01-10T15:40:02 < srk> like it's hard to compute sha256 signature for package manager 2018-01-10T15:40:05 < dongs> with latest installers 2018-01-10T15:40:25 < dongs> its not about computing hashes 2018-01-10T15:40:31 < dongs> there is no added value 2018-01-10T15:40:41 < srk> gotta be fun maintaining that 2018-01-10T15:40:47 < dongs> works for me 2018-01-10T15:41:15 < emeryth> a real pro has a hand crafted C:\Downloads folder 2018-01-10T15:41:17 < srk> there is no added value? I've managed to install everything with that choco toy last time without even opening a browser 2018-01-10T15:41:35 < srk> without hitting next 100times like a retard 2018-01-10T15:41:52 < dongs> sorry to hear that 2018-01-10T15:41:56 < dongs> try that next time you're offline 2018-01-10T15:42:02 < dongs> or at a customers machine 2018-01-10T15:42:03 < dongs> or something 2018-01-10T15:42:07 < srk> ahahah 2018-01-10T15:42:08 < srk> a 2018-01-10T15:42:25 < srk> just enjoy.. 2018-01-10T15:44:15 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-10T15:56:43 < kikes> how would you scale .stl files? 2018-01-10T15:57:25 < dongs> you dont 2018-01-10T15:57:27 < srk> with openscad 2018-01-10T15:59:12 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T16:02:47 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T16:07:58 < kikes> blender is easy 2018-01-10T16:10:51 < PaulFertser> srk: are you using openscad directly or with a haskell wrapper? 2018-01-10T16:11:06 < dongs> srk is so easy to troll 2018-01-10T16:11:11 < srk> PaulFertser: with python wrapper actually :) 2018-01-10T16:11:14 < srk> PaulFertser: SolidPython 2018-01-10T16:11:56 < srk> tried with haskell but no time to improve the workflow as it needs to go thru interpreter instead of compilation 2018-01-10T16:12:38 < srk> dongs: nah, I'm just bored. otherwise I would just ignore you 2018-01-10T16:13:29 < Steffanx> How can you be bored in times like these, srk? 2018-01-10T16:13:44 < Steffanx> All your servers meltdown proof? 2018-01-10T16:13:44 < srk> times like what? :D 2018-01-10T16:14:09 < srk> not really, intel released they shitcode today 2018-01-10T16:14:45 < Steffanx> And you still have to do that MAC and USB driver in haskellll 2018-01-10T16:14:57 < srk> I don't have to do shit man :) 2018-01-10T16:15:09 < srk> except for rolling joints all day long 2018-01-10T16:15:27 < Laurenceb> dBV is always going to be 20log10(v) right? 2018-01-10T16:15:30 < Laurenceb> not 10? 2018-01-10T16:15:32 < srk> but I like to do that stuff, except I don't need USB nor MAC atm :) 2018-01-10T16:18:11 < dongs> FUCK i hate assdroid so fucking much 2018-01-10T16:18:32 < srk> get a windoze phone 2018-01-10T16:18:43 < srk> so you can install apps like a real man 2018-01-10T16:18:51 < srk> not from a crappy app store 2018-01-10T16:19:13 < Ultrasauce> the virgin play store vs the chad sideload 2018-01-10T16:19:26 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74703.png 2018-01-10T16:19:36 < Laurenceb> ^thats bad right? 2018-01-10T16:19:43 < Laurenceb> but why is scope noise floor so high 2018-01-10T16:19:50 < Adluc> Steffanx: USB tower in ivory for STM's? 2018-01-10T16:20:05 < Steffanx> Idk. Im not into that Adluc :P 2018-01-10T16:20:19 < srk> but he's into trolling :) 2018-01-10T16:20:31 < srk> quite unsuccessful troll though 2018-01-10T16:20:54 < Steffanx> Laurenceb: answer is yes, but shouldnt you know as dr physics ? 2018-01-10T16:21:13 < Laurenceb> yeah but scopes might use weird definitions 2018-01-10T16:21:24 < Laurenceb> thats a really high noise floor :( 2018-01-10T16:21:32 < Laurenceb> stupid scope 2018-01-10T16:22:26 < Steffanx> srk: i wasnt trolling entirely. Imho you "need" it when you want to have your stuff to be taken seriously. 2018-01-10T16:22:44 < srk> Steffanx: for servo control? 2018-01-10T16:22:55 < srk> for example :) 2018-01-10T16:23:10 < srk> there's no place for USB in that project at all 2018-01-10T16:24:05 < srk> CAN is a bit more serious than USB for industrial use 2018-01-10T16:24:13 < Steffanx> One day you'll be asked to make it usb controllable 2018-01-10T16:24:21 < Ultrasauce> good thing every commodity pc has a can bus 2018-01-10T16:24:29 < srk> yeah, and I'll politely decline 2018-01-10T16:25:00 < srk> Ultrasauce: good thing industry doesn't use commodity crap 2018-01-10T16:25:15 < Ultrasauce> do they use janky foss projects? 2018-01-10T16:25:15 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: 20, because dB is actually always secretly an unit of power 2018-01-10T16:26:05 < srk> Ultrasauce: like arduino? I hope not 2018-01-10T16:29:08 < Laurenceb> ok so that peak is 2mv rms 2018-01-10T16:29:12 < Laurenceb> thats quite bad 2018-01-10T16:29:27 < zyp> CAN is a bit more robust than USB, but most of that simply comes from the fact that it's slower and thus got larger margins on data integrity 2018-01-10T16:29:34 < Laurenceb> I wonder why its at 2.5khz 2018-01-10T16:30:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.25.0.22] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T16:30:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.25.0.22] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-10T16:30:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T16:30:41 < zyp> apart from that, the only real advantages of CAN, the way I see it, is the flexibility to do multimaster and multicast, USB is strictly master/slave unicast 2018-01-10T16:31:07 < srk> right, we might even try etherCAT at some point 2018-01-10T16:31:20 < srk> and make Ultrasauce s argument invalid again :D 2018-01-10T16:31:41 < zyp> what are you arguing anyway, I haven't been following? 2018-01-10T16:32:00 < srk> not much, just usual trolling 2018-01-10T16:32:28 < srk> my point is that I don't need USB for serious applications :) 2018-01-10T16:32:56 < srk> toolchain support would be nice though but is not a priority at all 2018-01-10T16:33:07 < zyp> "need" heh 2018-01-10T16:33:11 < Steffanx> EtherCAT. Haskelll mac driver is on its way:P 2018-01-10T16:33:34 < zyp> you can't do ethercat with normal MACs 2018-01-10T16:33:41 < Steffanx> Not? 2018-01-10T16:33:51 < zyp> ethercat is nonstandard ethernet 2018-01-10T16:34:05 < srk> Steffanx: FMC or QSPI actually :) 2018-01-10T16:34:32 < karlp> heh, this fancy gas flow meter I just opened has an f103 inside 2018-01-10T16:34:36 < qyx> we usually failed when trying usb in industrial stuff 2018-01-10T16:34:39 < qyx> usually it was nonworking 2018-01-10T16:34:43 < Steffanx> Wikipedia disagrees zyp 2018-01-10T16:34:58 < Steffanx> Claims it use standard ethernet 2018-01-10T16:35:01 < Steffanx> Uses 2018-01-10T16:35:01 < srk> you can use standard ETH 2018-01-10T16:35:03 < qyx> tried extenders, isolators, 200€+ industrial hubs 2018-01-10T16:35:04 < srk> yes 2018-01-10T16:35:06 < zyp> ethercat masters send out a packet with a bunch of slots for slave data, and slaves rewrites it on the fly, adding their data to it 2018-01-10T16:35:22 < srk> but you won't get the properties of etherCAT ASICs 2018-01-10T16:35:28 < zyp> so you need a MAC that can rewrite a packet on the fly 2018-01-10T16:35:34 < srk> which can forward data as they're passing thru 2018-01-10T16:35:37 < karlp> even offers firmware download, that appears to be just a raw bin file, 2018-01-10T16:35:39 < karlp> pretty 2018-01-10T16:35:43 < Steffanx> Or do i misinterpret wikipedia 2018-01-10T16:36:11 < srk> no, you don't 2018-01-10T16:36:19 < zyp> Steffanx, when you say "standard ethernet", it depends what part of the standard you're looking at 2018-01-10T16:36:21 < qyx> zyp: they say you can use common macs 2018-01-10T16:36:32 < srk> the reason why there are asics for that is timing 2018-01-10T16:36:41 < qyx> but I didn$'t get that slot part 2018-01-10T16:36:43 < srk> and overhead 2018-01-10T16:36:49 < qyx> or how do they implement it 2018-01-10T16:36:50 < zyp> the reason why ethercat even exists is timing 2018-01-10T16:37:36 < zyp> qyx, not on slaves 2018-01-10T16:37:50 < zyp> master can use a normal mac, since it just sends and receives 2018-01-10T16:37:53 < zyp> but slaves rewrite 2018-01-10T16:38:02 < qyx> idk, we trashed that idea 2018-01-10T16:38:06 < qyx> I was just curious 2018-01-10T16:38:18 < qyx> because ni.com came with remote IO and stuff 2018-01-10T16:38:24 < qyx> over ethercat 2018-01-10T16:38:27 < zyp> quoting wikipedia: "Contrary to the operation of standard Ethernet, the slaves process the EtherCAT frames on the fly. This requires the use of hardware-integrated EtherCAT Slave Controllers (ESC) in the slaves." 2018-01-10T16:38:42 < srk> Ultrasauce: the idea is running a master which is gonna be either PC with USB -> slcan -> CAN or singleboard like beaglebone black 2018-01-10T16:39:44 < zyp> I'm working on some industrial ethernet stuff for a living now, we opted to go for ethernet powerlink rather than ethercat to avoid special hardware 2018-01-10T16:40:16 < srk> you're also the second person suggesting that, I need to take a better look 2018-01-10T16:40:58 < zyp> ethernet powerlink is basically canopen over ethernet, ethercat is canopen over ethernet with special hardware to reduce latency/overhead further 2018-01-10T16:40:58 < srk> I've decided to stick with CAN for now as it seems to have enough bandwidth at 1Mbit 2018-01-10T16:41:50 < srk> right 2018-01-10T16:42:55 < zyp> since ethercat rewrites packages on the fly, each bus cycle only need to consist of a single package AFAIK 2018-01-10T16:42:56 < srk> I think I don't even need that much of realtime properties that etherCAT offers as I'm still going to do some buffering and position interpolation on the end-nodes 2018-01-10T16:42:58 < karlp> how come my objdump doens't seem to understand -b binary anymore? 2018-01-10T16:43:25 < zyp> powerlink consists of a start of frame-packet, then poll/response packets for each node 2018-01-10T16:43:36 < zyp> which is actually pretty similar to how usb works on the bus level 2018-01-10T16:44:59 < srk> think etherCAT has similar concept 2018-01-10T16:46:02 < srk> zyp: how does it look when you run canopen services on top of that? 2018-01-10T16:46:14 < zyp> on top of powerlink? 2018-01-10T16:46:17 < srk> yeah 2018-01-10T16:46:23 < zyp> PDO or SDO? 2018-01-10T16:46:30 < srk> either 2018-01-10T16:46:47 < srk> doesn't matter, just want to get some bigger picture 2018-01-10T16:47:21 < srk> SDO seems to fit better to the command and poll concept 2018-01-10T16:47:41 < zyp> PDO is exchanged through the poll/request mechanism, each object is mapped into a slot of the PDO message 2018-01-10T16:48:03 < zyp> after the synchronous poll/request phase is over, the rest of the frame is allocated to async traffic 2018-01-10T16:48:14 < zyp> and SDO is exchanged through async messages 2018-01-10T16:48:17 < srk> ah, cool 2018-01-10T16:48:27 < tomeaton17> The FT4232H eval kit is really nice, shame I cant find a commercial product that uses it 2018-01-10T16:48:29 < zyp> SDO is also used to map up the layout of the PDO messages 2018-01-10T16:48:35 < Laurenceb> oh wow 2018-01-10T16:48:43 < Laurenceb> the 2.5khz spikes are scope noise 2018-01-10T16:48:52 < Laurenceb> this megabux scope is shit 2018-01-10T16:48:55 < zyp> sort of how USB HID works, wrt. reports and report descriptors 2018-01-10T16:49:14 < srk> zyp: yeah, that's quite cool that you can configure PDO contents as you see fit 2018-01-10T16:49:14 < dongs> in other news lolrenceb doesn't know how to use FFT mode on a megabux scope 2018-01-10T16:49:24 < dongs> (FAGGOT 2018-01-10T16:49:29 < Laurenceb> dongs: what do I need 2 do? 2018-01-10T16:49:38 < srk> press the FFT button 2018-01-10T16:49:45 < Laurenceb> xactly 2018-01-10T16:50:52 < srk> zyp: would you recommend powerlink over eCAT? for motion control mostly 2018-01-10T16:50:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flyback 2018-01-10T16:51:04 < Laurenceb> he is in #space now 2018-01-10T16:51:20 < zyp> srk, dunno, ethercat seems a lot more common wrt. vendor support 2018-01-10T16:52:10 < zyp> the thing about the system I'm working on is that it'll run in a dedicated network with only our own devices 2018-01-10T16:52:31 < srk> doing pretty much the same 2018-01-10T16:52:58 < Laurenceb> *my door opens* 2018-01-10T16:53:06 < Laurenceb> *guy from uni comes in* 2018-01-10T16:53:07 < srk> I could like screw the whole canopen and just roll my generated interface for comms 2018-01-10T16:53:10 < zyp> the only third party powerlink device we're looking at integrating is a gateway slave, to talk to external systems 2018-01-10T16:53:15 < Laurenceb> "arduinos in matlab??" 2018-01-10T16:53:16 < Laurenceb> "arduinos in matlab??" 2018-01-10T16:53:19 < srk> but it's better to keep some compatibility I guess 2018-01-10T16:53:26 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-10T16:53:49 < Laurenceb> I told him that "arduinos in matlab" is office next door 2018-01-10T16:54:07 < srk> but it's funny, instead of randomly assigning tags to messages you need to use like 0x6000 for current velocity 2018-01-10T16:54:27 < srk> so the tools don't need to compiled with generated IDs as well :D 2018-01-10T16:54:49 < srk> *be 2018-01-10T16:54:53 < srk> Laurenceb: lol 2018-01-10T16:55:00 < karlp> tomeaton17: re ft4232, that you know of. 2018-01-10T16:55:12 < zyp> I'll probably omit a bunch of the flexibility of the protocol and hardcode a bunch of stuff 2018-01-10T16:55:16 < Ultrasauce> yeah the new hotness is gnu octave and esp32 2018-01-10T16:55:17 < zyp> like PDO mappings 2018-01-10T16:55:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T16:55:46 < srk> hehe, I have this like half-way done 2018-01-10T16:56:32 < dongs> Lol NSA published a paper in 1995 on cache latency attacks aka meltdown 2018-01-10T16:56:33 < srk> required a bit of rework of how the dictionaries are organized 2018-01-10T16:57:16 < Laurenceb> yeah I was going to say 2018-01-10T16:57:20 < dongs> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2209/42809262c17b6631c0f6536c91aaf7756857.pdf 2018-01-10T16:57:26 < Laurenceb> it seems pretty obvious ofr nsa tier 2018-01-10T16:57:30 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T16:57:49 < dongs> page 7 section 3.10 2018-01-10T16:58:15 < zyp> dongs, side channel timing attacks is old as fuck 2018-01-10T16:58:40 < dongs> zyp, of course 2018-01-10T16:58:44 < zyp> dongs, the new thing is combining them with speculative execution 2018-01-10T16:58:56 < dongs> shrug 2018-01-10T16:59:02 < dongs> thats about as much im willing to spend on fagdown stuff 2018-01-10T16:59:09 < dongs> just retweting stuff I saw somewhere else 2018-01-10T16:59:27 < karlp> so, anyone know why gcc7 package from arm doesn't have functional arm-none-eabi-objdump? 2018-01-10T16:59:36 < dongs> 'arm'? 2018-01-10T16:59:40 < dongs> you mean that launchpad site? 2018-01-10T16:59:43 < dongs> gcc-arm-embedded? 2018-01-10T16:59:50 < karlp> no, it's all from arm now, they took it to their own site 2018-01-10T16:59:56 < dongs> haha. 2018-01-10T16:59:57 < zyp> karlp, dunno, seems they break a something here and there every version 2018-01-10T17:00:02 < karlp> https://developer.arm.com/open-source/gnu-toolchain/gnu-rm 2018-01-10T17:00:05 < zyp> broke gdb for me earlier 2018-01-10T17:00:08 < dongs> did you check gnu changelogs to see if they decided that function i no longer needed 2018-01-10T17:00:12 < karlp> zyp: this is the entire -b input format option missing. 2018-01-10T17:01:03 < srk> Laurenceb: Get a flyback mug for your buddy José 2018-01-10T17:01:08 < Laurenceb> heh 2018-01-10T17:01:10 < srk> do want 2018-01-10T17:01:11 < zyp> karlp, it's not even listed in --help? 2018-01-10T17:01:36 < karlp> nope 2018-01-10T17:01:55 < karlp> of course it is now, but wass't before. 2018-01-10T17:01:55 < tomeaton17> karlp: Yeah, I searched for a while and couldnt find any probably is but the eval board does enough for me 2018-01-10T17:02:10 < karlp> oh, it has two helps 2018-01-10T17:02:13 < karlp> the fuck is going on 2018-01-10T17:02:26 < dongs> open sores (tm) 2018-01-10T17:02:37 < srk> open soros 2018-01-10T17:02:45 < dongs> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded this still exists 2018-01-10T17:02:49 < Laurenceb> https://syria.liveuamap.com/pics/2018/01/10/21596801_0.jpg 2018-01-10T17:02:54 < srk> dongs: even this IRC crap runs on open souce 2018-01-10T17:02:54 < Laurenceb> taulabs at work 2018-01-10T17:02:54 < dongs> oic it tells to go to opensores.arm.com 2018-01-10T17:03:04 < dongs> srk, 'crap' being the keyword here 2018-01-10T17:03:13 < dongs> feenode IRCD is the worst hacked up garbage ever 2018-01-10T17:03:29 < dongs> completely noncompliant to RFC and in general a piece of opensores shit 2018-01-10T17:03:37 < srk> IRC is as old as I am .. :D 2018-01-10T17:03:46 < Laurenceb> lol @ the plastic sweet jar of fuel 2018-01-10T17:03:50 < srk> still you won't find better IM 2018-01-10T17:04:15 < Laurenceb> tfw I am older than srk 2018-01-10T17:04:34 < Laurenceb> Jarkko Oikarinen <- the eternal Finn 2018-01-10T17:04:47 < zyp> karlp, well, upstream objdump still has -b in the source, so idk 2018-01-10T17:04:51 < karlp> works now. 2018-01-10T17:04:55 < karlp> fuck knows what it's problem was before 2018-01-10T17:04:59 < zyp> hah 2018-01-10T17:05:00 < karlp> same command line as far as I can tell. 2018-01-10T17:06:29 < dongs> is this on lunix? 2018-01-10T17:06:35 < dongs> you probly had an old version somewhere in path 2018-01-10T17:07:14 < karlp> no, it looks like I left off the -D flag when I added the rest of the flags, 2018-01-10T17:07:17 < karlp> then got lost 2018-01-10T17:07:21 < karlp> pebkack I guess 2018-01-10T17:07:24 < karlp> must be lunch time 2018-01-10T17:10:28 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T17:10:45 < Laurenceb> this scope is shit 2018-01-10T17:10:56 < Laurenceb> literally 5mv p-p nastyness 2018-01-10T17:12:51 < Laurenceb> no hope of seeing the actual usb nasties 2018-01-10T17:13:59 < Ultrasauce> what scope 2018-01-10T17:14:55 < dongs> looks like dpo4k or so 2018-01-10T17:15:00 < dongs> same screenshots as mine 2018-01-10T17:16:20 < Laurenceb> mso4034 2018-01-10T17:16:38 < Laurenceb> it may well partly be the mains, this building is shit 2018-01-10T17:16:48 < Laurenceb> but the scope still shouldnt be so bad 2018-01-10T17:18:17 < Ultrasauce> so what's the dynamic range of 8-bit samples 2018-01-10T17:18:43 < Laurenceb> 48dB ? 2018-01-10T17:19:30 < BrainDamage> translating quantization noise with a scope is hard because the FSR is function of the amplitude knob, you typically have to dig in some arcane menu 2018-01-10T17:19:49 < Laurenceb> hmm 2018-01-10T17:20:01 < Laurenceb> yeah maybe I need AC and ~10mV range 2018-01-10T17:20:02 < Ultrasauce> at least in the screenshot it looks like you're running it dc coupled 2018-01-10T17:20:06 < Laurenceb> yeah 2018-01-10T17:20:22 < Ultrasauce> maybe learn to use the instrumentation before shitting on it 2018-01-10T17:20:23 < Laurenceb> I'll retry AC and 10mV 2018-01-10T17:20:27 < Laurenceb> lel 2018-01-10T17:22:12 < Laurenceb> aha 2018-01-10T17:22:23 < Laurenceb> thats given an extra 80dB or so 2018-01-10T17:25:33 < Laurenceb> no obvious noise now O_o 2018-01-10T17:26:02 < Laurenceb> anyone know if there is a way to do rolling average of many FFTs to get less jitter on the spectrogram? 2018-01-10T17:26:44 < BrainDamage> dump to csv then do wtf you want 2018-01-10T17:27:26 < Laurenceb> lul 2018-01-10T17:27:33 < Laurenceb> might as well use a usb adc 2018-01-10T17:27:52 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T17:32:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-10T17:33:00 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T17:48:25 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74725.png 2018-01-10T17:48:28 < Laurenceb> not too bad 2018-01-10T17:49:25 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T17:51:04 < Laurenceb> about 0.1mV 2018-01-10T17:51:33 < Laurenceb> surprising that that would cause so much gyro shit 2018-01-10T17:51:52 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-10T17:52:19 < qyx> are you sure you are measuring the gyro shit correctly 2018-01-10T17:52:41 < Laurenceb> qyx: well I get close to datasheet spec when I fix the power supply 2018-01-10T17:53:13 < Laurenceb> shitty -> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74728.png 2018-01-10T17:53:36 < Laurenceb> pro supply -> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74729.png 2018-01-10T17:56:19 < Laurenceb> I wonder what the "drone" ppl use 2018-01-10T17:56:33 < Laurenceb> they seem to be obsessed with invensense 2018-01-10T17:58:33 < Laurenceb> wew 2018-01-10T17:58:37 < dongs> > implying anyone actually does any characterization of that shit 2018-01-10T17:58:50 < Laurenceb> >get email about webshite for babby shaking 2018-01-10T17:59:01 < Laurenceb> >there are literally about 100ppl on the list 2018-01-10T17:59:08 < Laurenceb> thats where the 4M goes 2018-01-10T18:01:16 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T18:02:01 < Laurenceb> W E W http://www.google.com/patents/WO2004073514 2018-01-10T18:02:11 < Laurenceb> crapillary refill BTFO 2018-01-10T18:02:33 < Laurenceb> crapillary tards on suicide watch 2018-01-10T18:03:13 < dongs> Inventors Nigel Gough 2018-01-10T18:03:17 < dongs> almost nigger 2018-01-10T18:03:19 < dongs> ok bedtime 2018-01-10T18:05:24 < Laurenceb> I fear it is "use scope as worlds most overpriced usb adc time" here 2018-01-10T18:11:53 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb) 2018-01-10T18:18:49 < c10ud> wow, dat noise 2018-01-10T18:26:18 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T18:27:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T18:28:48 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-10T18:35:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-10T18:39:58 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T18:40:00 < kikes> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ayhdW8I5H39nOKFyl86IuUEeJO6fDivI/view?usp=sharing do you know what pack this is? 2018-01-10T18:42:08 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T18:43:15 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-10T18:46:45 < Laurenceb> looks like an st mems sensor lol 2018-01-10T18:49:40 < kikes> does it have powerpad? 2018-01-10T18:50:36 < kikes> fuk me.. nothing useful done today 2018-01-10T18:50:43 < kikes> home> 2018-01-10T18:50:52 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-10T18:51:01 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T18:58:05 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74745.png 2018-01-10T18:58:40 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74746.png 2018-01-10T18:58:52 < Laurenceb> >4chan try to troll tinder 2018-01-10T18:59:00 < Laurenceb> >end up getting laid 2018-01-10T18:59:13 < Laurenceb> >but that still failing at failing 2018-01-10T19:00:08 < Laurenceb> >>569959 this is one of the most autistic things I've ever seen 2018-01-10T19:00:11 < Laurenceb> my sides 2018-01-10T19:00:55 < Laurenceb> the "victim" https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74747.png 2018-01-10T19:03:32 < Lux> Laurenceb: have you tried the mpu6000 ? 2018-01-10T19:03:35 < Laurenceb> what the... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42600085 2018-01-10T19:03:38 < Laurenceb> Lux: no 2018-01-10T19:03:48 < Laurenceb> datasheet doesnt look too good 2018-01-10T19:03:53 < Lux> iiirc that one was best gyro wise 2018-01-10T19:03:57 < Laurenceb> but maybe it is more noise resistance 2018-01-10T19:04:05 < Laurenceb> iirc the gyro has large bias 2018-01-10T19:04:39 < Lux> from my failstartup they figured it was best with vibrations etc 2018-01-10T19:04:47 < Laurenceb> interesting 2018-01-10T19:04:52 < Lux> apparently the package also makes a difference 2018-01-10T19:05:05 < Lux> like bigger = better 2018-01-10T19:05:15 < Lux> at least it kinda looked that way 2018-01-10T19:05:21 < Laurenceb> ah 2018-01-10T19:08:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T19:12:31 < Lux> http://www.invensense.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DS-000143-ICM-20689-v1.0.pdf 2018-01-10T19:12:53 < Lux> looks like that's the mpu6000 replacement now 2018-01-10T19:13:35 < Lux> might be worth a try 2018-01-10T19:14:05 < Lux> depending on what you use it for your mechanical noise will be much more than what the gyro internally has 2018-01-10T19:14:14 < Lux> at least on drones that's very much the case 2018-01-10T19:17:02 < qyx> no usb_vbus in L4? 2018-01-10T19:18:39 < Laurenceb> http://www.princeton.edu/~aglaser/34c3-Vintage-Verification.pdf 2018-01-10T19:20:01 < zyp> qyx, doesn't L4 have some variants that are device only and some variants with dwc_otg? 2018-01-10T19:20:26 < zyp> the device only core doesn't care about vbus, dwc_otg does 2018-01-10T19:20:51 < qyx> mhm, how does it detect when the master is connected? 2018-01-10T19:21:02 < zyp> reset/suspend signalling 2018-01-10T19:21:37 < qyx> L462 is device crystal-less 2018-01-10T19:22:29 < zyp> yeah, same core as in F0/L0 then 2018-01-10T19:23:11 < zyp> if you yourself need to check for vbus presence, you can use a gpio 2018-01-10T19:23:24 < zyp> the usb core doesn't care, it just responds whenever there's activity 2018-01-10T19:24:21 < qyx> I never did anything with usb, so hopefully I will be able to get the cdc working 2018-01-10T19:24:31 < qyx> last time I tried with chibios few years ago, it worked somehow 2018-01-10T19:25:02 < qyx> also.. there are the new sdmmc and qspi interfaces 2018-01-10T19:25:05 < qyx> will be fun 2018-01-10T19:25:45 < englishman> getting cdc working in timecube was like 5 seconds 2018-01-10T19:25:46 < englishman> :) 2018-01-10T19:26:33 < qyx> I don't have any cubes 2018-01-10T19:26:40 < srk> wtf is timecube 2018-01-10T19:33:35 < upgrdman> srk, stm32cube 2018-01-10T19:33:45 < upgrdman> just google "stm32 cube" 2018-01-10T19:34:20 < srk> so cubemx 2018-01-10T19:34:32 < upgrdman> iirc cubemx is a gui 2018-01-10T19:34:35 < upgrdman> cube is the lib 2018-01-10T19:34:53 < srk> ah, ok 2018-01-10T19:34:54 < qyx> I liked cube when it was not actually a cube 2018-01-10T19:35:07 < qyx> just a java pin configurator 2018-01-10T19:35:13 < englishman> https://www.phaedsys.com/standards/misra/misradata/MISTRAYC.pdf 2018-01-10T19:36:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T19:37:38 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T19:38:07 < Laurenceb> a cube has only 4 sides 2018-01-10T19:38:16 < Laurenceb> TOP AND BOTTOM ARENT SIDES 2018-01-10T19:39:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn2UCqL5qyo 2018-01-10T19:43:03 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycp-zy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T19:44:57 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-10T19:45:24 < vampi-the-frog> only a square would say that 2018-01-10T19:45:36 < qyx> englishman: I hope you are naming your goto labels reasonably 2018-01-10T19:54:23 < Ultrasauce> I am a Knower of 4 corner simultaneous 24 hour Days that occur within a single 4 corner rotation of Earth. God guise for Queer scam, enslaves 4 Day cube brain as ONEist. Vilify teachers - for Queers swindle Tithe from 1 Day Retarded 2018-01-10T19:58:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-10T19:59:26 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:c8cb:20d2:61a:6431] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T20:05:04 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74754.png 2018-01-10T20:06:06 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74757.png 2018-01-10T20:06:28 < Laurenceb> Dell docking station seems to fix the problem 2018-01-10T20:08:07 < Steffanx> better add that to all ambus 2018-01-10T20:09:08 < Laurenceb> yeah 2018-01-10T20:13:52 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-10T20:17:32 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T20:20:46 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycp-zy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-10T20:41:48 < qyx> I just found the SPWF04 ST wifi modules 2018-01-10T20:45:51 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-10T20:49:28 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycp-zy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T20:55:24 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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After excellent world gear conferences in 2018-01-10T21:48:39 < upgrdman> Paris, France, in 1977, and Dubrovnik, Yugoslavia, in 1978, the even larger Tokyo gear conference 2018-01-10T21:48:39 < upgrdman> in 1981 was the high water mark in the gear art." 2018-01-10T21:48:53 < upgrdman> theres whole SYMPOSIUMS on gears. lol 2018-01-10T21:50:25 < Ultrasauce> ya shit's complicated 2018-01-10T21:58:38 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:02:27 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T22:11:06 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:14:47 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:15:50 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:16:33 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-10T22:19:23 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-10T22:19:55 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-10T22:19:58 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:20:43 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:37:20 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:40:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@75-146-53-142-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T22:44:39 < englishman> the result of millenia of gear design? 2018-01-10T22:44:40 < englishman> juicero 2018-01-10T22:46:39 < Steffanx> Doug Evans doesnt look like one englishman. 2018-01-10T22:48:40 < MrMobius> I bought an LCD breakout from AidsFruit because Im lazy 2018-01-10T22:49:02 < MrMobius> It wont run at 15mhz like its supposed to because they added a level shifter limited to 1mhz 2018-01-10T22:52:57 < upgrdman> juicholio 2018-01-10T22:53:21 < upgrdman> i need tp for my juice hole 2018-01-10T23:00:02 < englishman> hmmmm 2018-01-10T23:00:14 < englishman> trying to figure out why this sim card extension doesnt work 2018-01-10T23:00:25 < englishman> 32 gauge wire 20cm = 300nH 2018-01-10T23:00:35 < englishman> have some 47pF caps on those signal wires 2018-01-10T23:00:46 < englishman> add them together = impedance 2018-01-10T23:00:48 < englishman> at least, i hope 2018-01-10T23:00:54 < englishman> 300nH is a lot more than i thought 2018-01-10T23:03:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T23:09:44 -!- hdt551 [~hdt551@2600:1700:ff20:3d40:92b1:1cff:fe6e:7961] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-10T23:11:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@75-146-53-142-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-10T23:12:02 -!- hdt551 [~hdt551@2600:1700:ff20:3d40:92b1:1cff:fe6e:7961] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T23:34:24 < Rickta59> exit 2018-01-10T23:34:26 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-10T23:38:12 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T23:48:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-10T23:50:27 -!- kow__ [~Ensign@135.0.26.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-10T23:56:42 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Thu Jan 11 2018 2018-01-11T00:33:43 < kikes> https://drive.google.com/file/d/12lH3MmmwEaLzMihMVCYXAgyNfmeUvJcI/view?usp=sharing noise maker because tractor diesel is not loud enought 2018-01-11T00:34:13 < kikes> whining noise is esp activating when driving wheels try to spin 2018-01-11T00:35:01 < kikes> you hear I like low torquing 2018-01-11T00:36:23 < Steffanx> You shouldnt use your phone while driving mr kikes. 2018-01-11T00:36:25 < Steffanx> Not. 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2018-01-11T02:30:56 < stvn> idk maybe something next to a 250w metal halide lamp idk 2018-01-11T02:31:12 < jadew> no, I mean for buying 2018-01-11T02:31:19 < jadew> I'd like something that's not easy to melt 2018-01-11T02:32:33 < BrainDamage> englishman: what 2018-01-11T02:33:04 < BrainDamage> if you're trying to calculate the characteristic impedance of the line, it's sqrt(L/C) 2018-01-11T02:36:09 < sync> upgrdman: gears are very srs bsnz 2018-01-11T02:36:21 < Laurenceb_> sup trollz 2018-01-11T02:36:22 < upgrdman> agreed 2018-01-11T02:36:32 < Laurenceb_> so are springz 2018-01-11T02:36:40 * Laurenceb_ needs to buy a new spring for his car 2018-01-11T02:36:51 < stvn> yee ole square root el ova cee 2018-01-11T02:37:05 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: wrong season, it's still winter 2018-01-11T02:37:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah but MOT 2018-01-11T02:37:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-11T02:37:26 < Laurenceb_> it will soon be non legal to drive 2018-01-11T02:37:37 < stvn> MOT is like a britbong word hey 2018-01-11T02:37:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-11T02:38:08 < MrMobius> sounds like the uk 2018-01-11T02:38:08 < BrainDamage> also, does that implies you actually got your driving license 2018-01-11T02:38:20 < MrMobius> no gubmint slob is gonna tell me I cant drive in 'merica 2018-01-11T02:38:56 < stvn> i cant wait to give it a go 2018-01-11T02:39:04 < Laurenceb_> there are a bazillion different part numbers 2018-01-11T02:39:04 < stvn> YOU'RE DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU FUCKING IDIOT 2018-01-11T02:39:08 < stvn> (crt) 2018-01-11T02:39:10 < BrainDamage> MrMobius: can you run rolling coal? 2018-01-11T02:39:39 < Laurenceb_> (s)he is too busy burning coal 2018-01-11T02:39:45 < sync> not really Laurenceb_ 2018-01-11T02:39:54 < sync> just look in the parts catalog for your car 2018-01-11T02:39:58 < jadew> BrainDamage, the way he describes it, it seems more like an LC filter rather than distributed capacitance 2018-01-11T02:40:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah but I think the existing spring broke as its the wrong part for the car 2018-01-11T02:40:26 < Laurenceb_> some boy racer modded the springs 2018-01-11T02:40:33 < MrMobius> BrainDamage, I dont think anyone will stop you if thats what you mean. a lot of states dont make you get your car inspected 2018-01-11T02:40:34 < Laurenceb_> its really weird tbh 2018-01-11T02:40:59 < jadew> * rather than a transmission line, because the capacitance doesn't seem to be distributed 2018-01-11T02:41:00 < Laurenceb_> spring has broken at the top in its rubber mounting, there is no corrosion there 2018-01-11T02:41:00 < BrainDamage> jadew: that doesn't change the fact that if it has a LC structure, that's the char impedance the source will see 2018-01-11T02:41:20 < Laurenceb_> part numbers on the broken spring dont match oem part numbers for the car 2018-01-11T02:41:41 < Laurenceb_> scrap yard told me I can fit anything from model years 93 to 01 2018-01-11T02:41:48 < Laurenceb_> but I think they are bullshitting 2018-01-11T02:42:15 < Laurenceb_> this is rage inducing 2018-01-11T02:42:34 < BrainDamage> so they retrofitted some sort of compatible suspension and it broke? 2018-01-11T02:43:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm pretty sure thats what happened 2018-01-11T02:43:23 < Laurenceb_> nothing else explains the weird way it broke 2018-01-11T02:44:10 < Laurenceb_> new matching part number is £62, scrap yard is £10 2018-01-11T02:44:20 < BrainDamage> be glad it actually uses springs, not sure if i am translating correctly, but most cars here use crossbow suspensions 2018-01-11T02:44:31 < BrainDamage> which calling them shit is a compliment 2018-01-11T02:44:41 * Laurenceb_ wonders if its worth spending ukp52 worth of time trying to find exact matching vehicle in scrap 2018-01-11T02:45:21 < Laurenceb_> and I pulled a muscle in my shoulder crawling under the car 2018-01-11T02:45:24 < Laurenceb_> funtimes 2018-01-11T02:45:32 < BrainDamage> and I've seen some horrible shit when people try to retrofit incompatible crossbows 2018-01-11T02:45:38 < BrainDamage> like welding blocks on top 2018-01-11T02:46:06 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-11T02:46:24 < Laurenceb_> its normal that for a model range there should be about 10 different springs right? 2018-01-11T02:46:37 < BrainDamage> you can have different stiffness 2018-01-11T02:46:40 < Laurenceb_> for ranges of engine size, diesel/petrol, turbo/non turbo ? 2018-01-11T02:46:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-11T02:46:52 < BrainDamage> also diff vehicle heights 2018-01-11T02:47:08 < BrainDamage> there is some leeway in the choice 2018-01-11T02:47:10 < Laurenceb_> scrap yard told me all opel corsa from 93 to 01 use the same spring 2018-01-11T02:47:14 < Laurenceb_> I dont believe them 2018-01-11T02:47:44 < BrainDamage> if you use the 'wrong' one it translate in higher preloading 2018-01-11T02:48:22 < BrainDamage> which can not be necessarily too bad, provided you know what you're doing 2018-01-11T02:49:17 < Laurenceb_> well something caused the ~3 year old one to snap inside the top mounting 2018-01-11T02:49:21 < BrainDamage> then again the racing community seems to me the kind that thinks that a sticker gives you more power 2018-01-11T02:49:28 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-11T02:50:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.rt.com/uk/415523-holocaust-anti-semitic-nazi/ 2018-01-11T02:50:33 < Laurenceb_> >Derbyshire 2018-01-11T02:50:39 < Laurenceb_> *represent* 2018-01-11T02:51:01 < Laurenceb_> lel I used to live in the sametown 2018-01-11T02:51:06 < Laurenceb_> also >Swiss 2018-01-11T02:51:12 < Laurenceb_> Tectu *represent* 2018-01-11T02:53:05 < sync> Laurenceb_: it is not uncommon to just to have one spring depending on how cheap the vehicle was 2018-01-11T02:53:18 < sync> but yeah you can fit any corsa spring in there 2018-01-11T02:53:20 < sync> and it will be fine 2018-01-11T02:53:31 < sync> but also > corsa 2018-01-11T02:53:49 < Laurenceb_> it moves under its own power 2018-01-11T02:53:55 < Laurenceb_> ^my standard for a vehicle 2018-01-11T02:54:38 < Laurenceb_> sync: why do you think the previous spring broke then? 2018-01-11T02:54:54 < Laurenceb_> also, why can I find different part numbers depending on the engine on ebay? 2018-01-11T02:55:23 < BrainDamage> it's a bit hard to retroactively find a fault without seeing 2018-01-11T02:55:41 < BrainDamage> it could be too high stress, or it could be manifacturer's fault, installation fault, etc 2018-01-11T02:56:02 < Laurenceb_> yeah I guess it could be installation 2018-01-11T02:56:12 < Laurenceb_> it was prob replaced by boy racers... 2018-01-11T02:56:25 < sync> because OEMS change part numbers like they want 2018-01-11T02:56:35 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-11T02:56:38 < sync> but they also sometimes break 2018-01-11T02:56:41 < sync> just because 2018-01-11T02:56:56 < Laurenceb_> this calls for ... a spring tester :P 2018-01-11T02:57:06 < Laurenceb_> tarduino powered obviously 2018-01-11T02:57:40 < BrainDamage> it could also be the previous owner used it as rally car 2018-01-11T02:57:51 < stvn> powered by da spectrum 2018-01-11T02:58:16 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: but I'd expect the breakage to be near the middle of the spring then? 2018-01-11T02:58:24 < Laurenceb_> not inside the rubber at the top 2018-01-11T02:58:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T02:58:42 < BrainDamage> that depends on the mount 2018-01-11T02:59:25 < BrainDamage> camber angle, etc will affect the stress along the axis 2018-01-11T02:59:26 < Laurenceb_> I guess :S 2018-01-11T02:59:28 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8PUAAOSwXY5ZSQh~/s-l300.jpg 2018-01-11T02:59:42 < Laurenceb_> it snapped inside that rubber at the top 2018-01-11T02:59:56 < Laurenceb_> wew I just realised that box has yet another different part number 2018-01-11T03:00:13 < sync> it is common that they break there 2018-01-11T03:00:20 < sync> for whatever reason 2018-01-11T03:00:25 < sync> that is the strut 2018-01-11T03:00:27 < sync> not the spring 2018-01-11T03:02:52 < sync> but that would require you being equipped for changing mcpherson strut springs anyway 2018-01-11T03:03:01 < sync> it is easier for you to just get a new assembly 2018-01-11T03:05:11 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-140-184-164.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-11T03:05:37 -!- scummos [scummos@kde/developer/brauch] has quit [Quit: bye] 2018-01-11T03:12:54 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-96.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T03:13:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2018-01-11T03:14:23 < Laurenceb_> THE BOMBING COULDN'T SATIATE HIM 2018-01-11T03:14:28 < Laurenceb_> THE FIRESTORM WASN'T IN VAIN 2018-01-11T03:14:43 < Laurenceb_> HIS LUST FOR JERRIES WAS IN HIS BLOOD 2018-01-11T03:14:52 < Laurenceb_> BOMBER HARRIS DO IT AGAIN! 2018-01-11T03:15:03 < stvn> eh? 2018-01-11T03:15:36 < Laurenceb_> ANGLO BOMBERS FLEW OVER DRESDEN ONE DAY 2018-01-11T03:15:48 < Laurenceb_> THE LOOKED LEFT AND RIGHT, BUT THEY DIDNT LIKE THE SIGHT 2018-01-11T03:15:56 < Laurenceb_> SO ONE SAID "BOMBS AWAY!" 2018-01-11T03:15:56 < stvn> hmm 2018-01-11T03:16:24 < stvn> marijuana bong 2018-01-11T03:18:06 < stvn> remember the good old days laurence? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNm7L96pfY 2018-01-11T03:18:52 < Laurenceb_> http://revolution.anticapitalista.com/zeitung/zeitung09/bilder/antideutsche.jpg 2018-01-11T03:19:29 < stvn> nobody understands this weird stuff Laurenceb_ 2018-01-11T03:19:42 < stvn> without being on the pol 2018-01-11T03:20:02 < Laurenceb_> I must spend too long there 2018-01-11T03:20:04 < Laurenceb_> sorry 2018-01-11T03:21:59 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74892.png 2018-01-11T03:24:06 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-11T03:25:12 * Laurenceb_ joins antifa 2018-01-11T03:25:21 < Laurenceb_> they have the best memes now 2018-01-11T03:27:02 < stvn> when are you creating your youtube meme channel? 2018-01-11T03:27:32 < stvn> you're going to make the dutchman very angry 2018-01-11T03:32:42 < Laurenceb_> hmm good idea 2018-01-11T03:43:31 < stvn> dr.blaxter channel 2018-01-11T03:55:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T04:04:22 -!- kow__ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T04:06:03 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-11T04:17:10 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: mate] 2018-01-11T04:19:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-96.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-11T05:05:08 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T05:23:50 < stvn> yo 2018-01-11T05:28:36 < stvn> what is up r2 2018-01-11T05:40:31 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-11T05:41:14 < stvn> m 2018-01-11T05:41:19 < dongs> http://avherald.com/h?article=4428f2f7 lol 2018-01-11T05:42:25 < stvn> oops 2018-01-11T05:44:02 < stvn> got any more? 2018-01-11T05:44:52 < dongs> go to / of that site and sort by accident/etc. 2018-01-11T05:45:03 < stvn> my favourite is this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123 2018-01-11T05:47:36 < stvn> zano style https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123#/media/File:Bulkhead_Repair.png 2018-01-11T05:48:29 < dongs> makes total sense 2018-01-11T05:48:57 < stvn> \o/ 2018-01-11T06:19:18 < englishman> BrainDamage: yeah i know, and the freq is way higher than the 5MHz signals used in SIM 2018-01-11T06:27:33 < stvn> same 2018-01-11T06:27:39 < stvn> just a session of methlab 2018-01-11T06:42:05 < invzim> https://aws.amazon.com/freertos/ this is something recent? 2018-01-11T06:44:32 < englishman> cool 2018-01-11T06:58:30 < dongs> too bad feertos sucks 2018-01-11T06:59:23 < stvn> i'm confuse 2018-01-11T06:59:32 < stvn> wtf is freertos doing on a shop 2018-01-11T06:59:50 < dongs> yeah fucking amadong should have stuck with selling books 2018-01-11T06:59:55 < dongs> they have thier fucking fingers into so much trash now 2018-01-11T06:59:58 < stvn> ^ 2018-01-11T07:00:01 < stvn> that is true 2018-01-11T07:00:12 < stvn> fucking 'hoverboard' shit 2018-01-11T07:00:20 < dongs> i think they even sell slave labor 2018-01-11T07:00:24 < dongs> under the brand name "amazon turk" 2018-01-11T07:00:28 < dongs> totally nto racist or anything 2018-01-11T07:00:38 < dongs> but you can buy time and get slaves to data entry for you, or solve captcha etc 2018-01-11T07:00:38 < stvn> toilet 2018-01-11T07:01:52 < stvn> rofl analog devices have infected ltspice 2018-01-11T07:01:57 < stvn> couldn't help themselves 2018-01-11T07:03:05 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-11T07:04:36 < englishman> dongs i need help 2018-01-11T07:04:41 < englishman> i bought some onkyo trash 2018-01-11T07:04:45 < englishman> and there was a spider in it 2018-01-11T07:04:50 < englishman> now its somewhere in the house 2018-01-11T07:04:55 < englishman> should i sell? and move 2018-01-11T07:05:41 < BrainDamage> if it was australian you're as good as dead 2018-01-11T07:06:15 < dongs> ahaha 2018-01-11T07:06:29 < BrainDamage> here spiders are harmless, i even intentionally leave one alone in a corner, with the implicit agreenment that he gets housing and i get less bugs 2018-01-11T07:07:09 < dongs> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/3b/ce/6e3bce44e8035f7426fc57af265499ec--itsy-bitsy-spider-spider-webs.jpg yours house in 24 hours 2018-01-11T07:08:22 < BrainDamage> more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8dZb5iNyB4 2018-01-11T07:08:50 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-11T07:11:06 < dongs> what 2018-01-11T07:11:15 < dongs> there already exists a perfectly fine working RTOS 2018-01-11T07:11:19 < dongs> provided by ARM/CMSIS 2018-01-11T07:11:23 < dongs> with a standard APi etc 2018-01-11T07:11:30 < dongs> no need to reinvent the wheel with faggot shit 2018-01-11T07:12:25 < dongs> yes 2018-01-11T07:13:08 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T07:14:57 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/download/docs/414.asp 2018-01-11T07:15:14 < dongs> RTX is provided by ARM as the reference implementation for CMSIS-RTOS compliant RTOS implementations. It is available under a simple BSD license making it straightforward to use and redistribute. 2018-01-11T07:15:18 < dongs> free as in BSD 2018-01-11T07:16:36 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-11T07:16:36 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-11T07:22:39 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-11T07:22:48 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-11T07:23:17 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T07:32:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-11T07:39:25 < dongs> Gaming keyboards advanced even further — if you want an uncompromising solution, you may consider something like Cherry’s RealKey technology that reads key switches via analog inputs (instead of digital ones) and offers close to zero latency (by the way, I put this keyboard to a test and it feels amazing!). 2018-01-11T07:39:30 < dongs> haha 2018-01-11T07:39:46 < englishman> innovation 2018-01-11T07:40:07 < dongs> im trying to understand why reading it through adc somehow makes it faster than digital read??? 2018-01-11T07:40:17 < englishman> who said faster 2018-01-11T07:40:22 < dongs> "to zero latency" 2018-01-11T07:40:37 < englishman> but it doesnt say faster 2018-01-11T07:41:16 < dongs> less jitter 2018-01-11T07:44:27 < englishman> the widest tactile response 2018-01-11T07:45:39 < dongs> the problems all these mechcncal keyboard faggots talk about are simply solved by not using garbage mcus and not trying to save $1 on parts 2018-01-11T07:52:53 < BrainDamage> reading trough adc can give you a faster response 2018-01-11T07:53:02 < BrainDamage> provided the key is analog 2018-01-11T07:53:32 < BrainDamage> because you can detect the derivative of the amplitude, and detect the swing, along crossing a treshold 2018-01-11T07:54:07 < BrainDamage> if instead the key is still a switch, then reading analog doesn't change shit 2018-01-11T07:54:57 < englishman> i have this hall-effect keyboard on the way 2018-01-11T07:57:33 < dongs> has anyone told these zero-latency key faggots that USB frame timing and HID polling rates are probably whats causing majority of the latency 2018-01-11T07:57:37 < dongs> not how the fucking keys are scasnned 2018-01-11T07:58:11 < invzim> lag nuts are the same class as hifi nuts 2018-01-11T07:58:18 < dongs> yeah it looks like it 2018-01-11T07:58:23 < BrainDamage> pretty much 2018-01-11T07:58:58 < dongs> or lunix nuts 2018-01-11T08:03:11 < dongs> no idea dont most peopel just use OBS or whaetver 2018-01-11T08:03:13 < dongs> opensores shite 2018-01-11T08:03:19 < dongs> or whatever nvidia/microsoft GAY BAR thing 2018-01-11T08:03:53 < dongs> i think i disabled game bar cuz it no longer comes up with Win-G 2018-01-11T08:05:10 < dongs> ya looks disabled 2018-01-11T08:05:13 < dongs> donno why 2018-01-11T08:15:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T08:17:18 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T08:27:00 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-11T08:30:27 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-195-150-196.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-11T08:30:33 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T08:48:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T08:53:19 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycp-zy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-11T08:56:36 -!- mentar [~quassel@38.ip-51-254-125.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-11T09:05:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T09:05:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-11T09:07:05 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-11T09:07:20 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-11T09:10:47 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T09:21:12 < kikes> work pumps 2018-01-11T09:22:03 < kikes> dongs, can you name the package type? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ayhdW8I5H39nOKFyl86IuUEeJO6fDivI/view?usp=sharing 2018-01-11T09:23:45 -!- kow__ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-11T09:23:54 < kikes> yes 2018-01-11T09:24:02 < kikes> but is there some variation name for such 2018-01-11T09:24:36 < kikes> it's all VQFN-24 when it has 24 pins no matter where? 2018-01-11T09:37:30 < kikes> it actually migth be 2018-01-11T09:43:22 < kikes> no 2018-01-11T09:43:27 < kikes> no chargers 2018-01-11T09:45:25 < kikes> yes 2018-01-11T09:48:59 < kikes> nah 2018-01-11T09:50:00 < kikes> idk 2018-01-11T10:00:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T10:01:48 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T10:01:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-8eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-11T10:01:52 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-8eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T10:03:53 -!- Teeed [~teeed@vps.na1noc.pl] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2018-01-11T10:04:06 -!- Teeed [~teeed@vps.na1noc.pl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T10:04:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-11T10:20:05 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-8eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-11T10:30:45 < Thorn> how did they implement positioning so accurately https://twitter.com/CES/status/950910146942783490 2018-01-11T10:31:13 < dongs> thats the remaining Edisons 2018-01-11T10:36:31 < Thorn> lol 2018-01-11T10:36:44 < Thorn> what sensors are they using 2018-01-11T10:37:14 < Thorn> time of flight rf or something? 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2018-01-11T12:05:49 < zyp> karlp, and as with every book adaption ever, as a person who read the books first, I'll have to say "the books are better" 2018-01-11T12:07:29 < zyp> (this is about "the expanse" books/series) 2018-01-11T12:09:39 < stvn> i'm reading the wang saga 2018-01-11T12:09:58 < qyx> wat, microchip released complete datasheet of the NDA'd ATECC508A part 2018-01-11T12:10:43 < qyx> how is it possible that there is still no sane library for it 2018-01-11T12:14:16 < karlp> zyp: I've sometimes thought that it's often just "first is better" no matterwhether it was the books or the tv. 2018-01-11T12:14:32 < karlp> I've read the book of a few things second, and it's never been book is better. 2018-01-11T12:14:44 < karlp> it's sometimes been "well, this is really cool, but really different to the tv thing" 2018-01-11T12:14:47 < zyp> hehe, probably 2018-01-11T12:15:06 < karlp> got no time for reading 2018-01-11T12:15:25 < karlp> took ~3 hours to make little creature finally go to sleep last night, 2018-01-11T12:15:30 < zyp> so far the tv series isn't bad, but feels more sensationalized 2018-01-11T12:15:34 < karlp> there goes my whole evening of personal time. 2018-01-11T12:15:56 < zyp> books focus more on realistic physics 2018-01-11T12:16:07 < karlp> well, that's all relative. 2018-01-11T12:16:14 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-11T12:16:24 < karlp> even the series is farrrr more physics and reality than a lot of other space opera 2018-01-11T12:16:42 < zyp> also it feels like they stripped Avasarala's entire personality 2018-01-11T12:16:53 < zyp> book Avasarala reminds me of dongs 2018-01-11T12:16:56 < karlp> who's that again? 2018-01-11T12:17:03 < stvn> karlp, sounds like fun 2018-01-11T12:17:04 < zyp> the old UN lady 2018-01-11T12:17:08 < karlp> ah, 2018-01-11T12:17:13 < karlp> she gets more personality later in the series. 2018-01-11T12:17:18 < karlp> she's very flat int he beginning. 2018-01-11T12:17:38 < dongs> > The Expanse 2018-01-11T12:17:39 < dongs> > American television series 2018-01-11T12:17:39 < zyp> okay, I'm only six episodes in so far 2018-01-11T12:17:42 < dongs> stopped there 2018-01-11T12:17:57 < karlp> not everything made in america is shit dongs :) 2018-01-11T12:18:10 < karlp> 300 million people, gotta be a few things that slip out 2018-01-11T12:18:19 < zyp> dongs, I'm sorry, do you want to discuss anime instead? 2018-01-11T12:18:42 < dongs> not at all 2018-01-11T12:19:26 < zyp> good, I don't think I have much to talk about 2018-01-11T12:19:41 < stvn> lol 2018-01-11T12:19:46 < zyp> I think it's been literally years since last I watched anime now 2018-01-11T12:19:49 < MrMobius> do you guys like duck dynasty? 2018-01-11T12:20:35 < dongs> read this as 'dick' several times 2018-01-11T12:20:52 < stvn> i don't watch tv 2018-01-11T12:21:03 < stvn> its just IRC and capacitors for me 2018-01-11T12:21:04 < dongs> same 2018-01-11T12:21:12 < dongs> except just IRC 2018-01-11T12:21:23 < stvn> and blogging right? 2018-01-11T12:21:36 < MrMobius> blogging and innovating 2018-01-11T12:22:36 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T12:23:04 -!- mentar [~quassel@38.ip-51-254-125.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T12:34:47 < kikes> innovation is real 2018-01-11T12:45:19 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ~] 2018-01-11T12:47:24 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T12:58:40 < markus-k> how do I get an interrupt when the spi in slave mode gets deselected? Just an exti interrupt? 2018-01-11T13:02:25 < jpa-> markus-k: yeah 2018-01-11T13:03:15 < jpa-> also stm32 spi in slave mode is quite crappy, it's quite possible to get it into weird states that require RCC peripheral reset to resume communication 2018-01-11T13:03:24 < dongs> rea;;y 2018-01-11T13:03:48 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-11T13:04:15 < markus-k> jpa-, oh that sounds like fun 2018-01-11T13:05:17 < dongs> < markus-k> how do I get an interrupt when the spi in slave mode gets deselected? 2018-01-11T13:05:24 < dongs> err, in slave mode, you can actually use hardware nss? 2018-01-11T13:06:10 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T13:06:55 < qyx> you can, but it doesn't let you know when it is deasserted 2018-01-11T13:06:59 < qyx> I had the same problem 2018-01-11T13:07:07 < stvn> i have too many problem 2018-01-11T13:07:11 < dongs> do you really need to tho? 2018-01-11T13:07:28 < dongs> hmm i guess you could need to know to reset state or something 2018-01-11T13:07:48 < dongs> i take it there's no SPI interrupt flag for SS deasserted? 2018-01-11T13:07:58 < qyx> it isn't 2018-01-11T13:08:04 < qyx> neither when the NSS is asserted 2018-01-11T13:08:05 < markus-k> yeah, my idea was to perform a software reset once the tx is done 2018-01-11T13:08:28 < qyx> at least I didn't find any 2018-01-11T13:08:31 < qyx> used exti too 2018-01-11T13:10:18 < markus-k> I could use i2c in slave mode or uart too, but I like spi. I'll see if it works properly, thx 2018-01-11T13:11:55 < stvn> i love altium schematics and their dirty background 2018-01-11T13:21:17 < stvn> wonder what my black and white printer will do 2018-01-11T13:21:46 < karlp> today you learned that altium's biggest income source is printer manufacturer kickbacks 2018-01-11T13:21:48 < dongs> smartpdf to monochrome 2018-01-11T13:23:17 < stvn> lol karlp thanks dongs 2018-01-11T13:23:20 < dongs> how many capacitors are in your schematic 2018-01-11T13:23:26 < stvn> fucking heaps actually 2018-01-11T13:23:40 < dongs> 2018 resolution would be to use as less capacitors as possible 2018-01-11T13:23:49 < stvn> yeah well 2018-01-11T13:23:54 < dongs> think of the resistors 2018-01-11T13:23:56 < stvn> 5000w amplifier 2018-01-11T13:24:06 < dongs> are you cloning that chink protel schematic 2018-01-11T13:24:13 < BrainDamage> 5kW class A amp? 2018-01-11T13:24:18 < dongs> and trying to pass it off as your own innovation 2018-01-11T13:24:34 < stvn> class D 2018-01-11T13:24:48 < stvn> dongs no 2018-01-11T13:24:51 < BrainDamage> well, at least it won't double as stove 2018-01-11T13:24:55 < stvn> chinese design with some problem 2018-01-11T13:26:23 < stvn> it's really nothing more than yer standard delta sigma job 2018-01-11T13:29:05 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-11T13:34:02 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T13:38:02 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T13:38:05 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-11T13:39:05 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-11T13:39:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-11T13:41:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T13:43:00 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T13:44:08 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-11T13:57:19 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-11T13:58:00 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T14:07:53 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@2a02:aa1:1009:365b:7960:e9a:f319:9471] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T14:10:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-11T14:17:13 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=696_1515657902 haha fucking lol 2018-01-11T14:27:19 < sync> hm, that was not B1 2018-01-11T14:27:42 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-11T14:27:57 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T14:33:16 < stvn> i see 2018-01-11T14:33:22 < stvn> wtf is B1 though 2018-01-11T14:36:17 < stvn> b1 means zzzz 2018-01-11T14:36:19 < stvn> o/ 2018-01-11T14:36:22 < dongs> heil 2018-01-11T14:36:22 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: crt] 2018-01-11T14:36:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T14:40:06 < Laurenceb> THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD HIDE FROM THE BOMBS 2018-01-11T14:40:13 < Laurenceb> THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD ESCAPE ON THE TRAINS 2018-01-11T14:40:27 < Laurenceb> BUT THE SCREAMS OF NAZIS WAS MUSIC TO HIS EARS 2018-01-11T14:40:34 < Laurenceb> BOMBER HARRIS DO IT AGAIN!! 2018-01-11T14:50:53 < karlp> lolrence, take your meds. 2018-01-11T14:50:58 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/09bf41544a/74992.jpg 2018-01-11T14:50:58 < karlp> you're repeating yourself. 2018-01-11T14:55:15 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-11T14:56:36 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T15:03:53 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T15:17:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@2a02:aa1:1009:365b:7960:e9a:f319:9471] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-11T15:22:23 < tomeaton17> I saw richard dawkins at a school science conference 2018-01-11T15:22:42 < tomeaton17> When it got to question time everyone just asked questions about religion on twitter and he got really triggered 2018-01-11T15:22:49 < tomeaton17> And then flamed education on twitter aftewards 2018-01-11T15:26:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T15:30:14 < karlp> anyone know why make is rebuilding things here for no reason? https://zerobin.net/?09a0ecc5d45a2bf6#YzP+SHwRND4+8P+gMhJjZuHa/kmkDyPuQvdGM3AasF4= 2018-01-11T15:31:21 < jpa-> karlp: perhaps because it does not exist? 2018-01-11T15:31:26 < Thorn> >File 'docs' does not exist. 2018-01-11T15:31:32 < Thorn> add .PHONY: docs 2018-01-11T15:31:39 < karlp> .PHONY: docs? 2018-01-11T15:31:41 < karlp> already had that. 2018-01-11T15:31:53 < jpa-> doesn't phony mean "rebuild always"? 2018-01-11T15:32:21 < karlp> removing it from phony works, 2018-01-11T15:32:21 < Thorn> oh it might 2018-01-11T15:32:27 < karlp> oh, yeah, phony is for things that _aren't_ files. 2018-01-11T15:32:36 < karlp> docs is a real directory here, 2018-01-11T15:32:38 < karlp> not a virtual target. 2018-01-11T15:32:58 < karlp> if I had "make doc" and phony doc, and the output went to docS, then I'd have phony on doc. 2018-01-11T15:33:00 < jpa-> not sure if make knows how to check directories for date 2018-01-11T15:33:08 < karlp> yeah, it does. 2018-01-11T15:33:11 < karlp> Prerequisite 'mosquitto.so' is older than target 'docs'. 2018-01-11T15:34:09 < karlp> nope, ok, now it's screwed up because it can't undestand taht the directory timestamp didn't change when docs were regeneratred 2018-01-11T15:35:14 < aandrew> mosquitto.so? wtf are you doing linking in mosquitto into stm32 shits 2018-01-11T15:35:16 < jpa-> i'd just have a rule that references one of the actual files there 2018-01-11T15:35:40 < karlp> I do more than just stm32 :) 2018-01-11T15:35:52 < karlp> but I have heard of people who hacked libmosquitto into an stm32 :) 2018-01-11T15:35:57 < aandrew> bullshit, you don't even do stm32 2018-01-11T15:35:58 < jpa-> would be first time i see someone using .so on stm32, though 2018-01-11T15:36:12 < karlp> aandrew: eh, not as much as might like, no. 2018-01-11T15:36:26 < aandrew> I'm just being a dick 2018-01-11T15:36:41 < karlp> in general, actual cm3 targetted code is most definitely the minority of my work, 2018-01-11T15:36:42 < jpa-> we already have dongs for that, you don't have to be 2018-01-11T15:37:11 < jpa-> this channel already has a dedicated dick and a dedicated troll, you'll need to find yourself another niche 2018-01-11T15:37:24 < aandrew> dammit 2018-01-11T15:37:28 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T15:37:29 < aandrew> we already have the crazy cat person too 2018-01-11T15:38:32 < BrainDamage> what would be my role then? 2018-01-11T15:39:32 < qyx> karlp: wolfmqtt was easier 2018-01-11T15:39:42 < karlp> well, I'm not anyway, 2018-01-11T15:47:11 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T15:51:22 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-11T16:07:33 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-11T16:18:04 < englishman> aandrew keep the trolling on efnet please 2018-01-11T16:18:51 < englishman> mqtt on stm32? 2018-01-11T16:19:01 < englishman> using ethernet or some wifi chip? 2018-01-11T16:22:42 < englishman> dongs: http://i.imgur.com/aseDxfj.jpg 2018-01-11T16:23:53 < Laurenceb> aandrew keep the trolling on efnet please 2018-01-11T16:24:07 < Laurenceb> implying anything else ever happens on efnet 2018-01-11T16:24:13 < Laurenceb> woah mqtt 2018-01-11T16:24:19 * Laurenceb checks channel logz 2018-01-11T16:25:00 < Laurenceb> nobody from muh wurk here... yet 2018-01-11T16:26:33 < qyx> englishman: gprs module 2018-01-11T16:26:56 < Laurenceb> we make mqtt shit as main line of business 2018-01-11T16:27:35 < qyx> ambulance cars using mqtt? 2018-01-11T16:27:37 < Laurenceb> lots of irc trollin 2018-01-11T16:27:50 < Laurenceb> nah thats "just" a side project 2018-01-11T16:28:01 < Laurenceb> but its most of the revenue lol 2018-01-11T16:28:45 < qyx> I need to find some side projects too 2018-01-11T16:29:00 < qyx> ideally stm related 2018-01-11T16:30:23 < Laurenceb> stm32 sex toyz 2018-01-11T16:32:52 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroejaculation 2018-01-11T16:32:55 < Laurenceb> no homo 2018-01-11T16:33:37 < englishman> qyx: like laurelai? 2018-01-11T16:34:06 < Steffanx> Circle jerky... 2018-01-11T16:34:25 < Laurenceb> or a robot waifu 2018-01-11T16:35:29 < qyx> wat 2018-01-11T16:35:34 < qyx> who is laurelai 2018-01-11T16:35:47 < Laurenceb> yeah wtf 2018-01-11T16:36:11 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T16:36:13 < Laurenceb> I'm worried 2018-01-11T16:36:22 < qyx> apparently some rainbox hairy unicorn transsexual 2018-01-11T16:36:28 < qyx> rainbow 2018-01-11T16:37:44 < englishman> sry 2018-01-11T16:37:44 < englishman> https://www.tindie.com/products/gxti/laureline-gps-ntp-server/ 2018-01-11T16:40:06 < Laurenceb> I see 2018-01-11T16:44:05 < gxti> wut u want 2018-01-11T16:44:39 < Laurenceb> Laureline looks like a poor clone of LeoBodnar kit 2018-01-11T16:45:42 < Laurenceb> sdio broken out 2018-01-11T16:45:46 < Laurenceb> thats ... different 2018-01-11T16:47:19 < qyx> I think that gxti did that before leo 2018-01-11T16:47:35 < Laurenceb> interesting 2018-01-11T16:47:38 < gxti> yeah it's pretty old 2018-01-11T16:47:52 < Laurenceb> he should have marketed it, Leo made megabux with HFT guys 2018-01-11T16:48:23 < qyx> gxti: did you really ship 160pcs of it? 2018-01-11T16:48:27 < Laurenceb> Leo based it off the system we made for long baseline interferometry 2018-01-11T16:49:26 < gxti> i think that's the total for the store (i sold some other boring shit too) but it was 100+ 2018-01-11T16:49:39 < gxti> but retail was lame so i stopped 2018-01-11T16:50:39 < qyx> how much did it cost? 2018-01-11T16:51:19 < Laurenceb> gxti: you should have tried to increase price and sell to HFT 2018-01-11T16:51:24 < gxti> think it was $256 2018-01-11T16:53:12 < qyx> such a round number 2018-01-11T16:53:20 < gxti> i know, powers of two amirite lul 2018-01-11T16:53:42 < gxti> and yeah i should have been charging more (and maybe put some of that towards a better enclosure) 2018-01-11T16:54:12 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T16:54:19 < Laurenceb> W E W https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75002.png 2018-01-11T16:58:35 < jadew> is tindie like ebay? 2018-01-11T16:59:45 < jadew> what does W E W mean? 2018-01-11T17:00:00 < gxti> means another quality Laurenceb shitpost 2018-01-11T17:00:06 < Laurenceb> disbelief at something insane 2018-01-11T17:00:20 < Laurenceb> like Jordan Petersons daughter 2018-01-11T17:00:33 < Laurenceb> fapfapfap tbh 2018-01-11T17:00:34 -!- scttnlsn [~scttnlsn@2604:6000:1403:343:dce5:5c41:f67b:e932] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T17:00:55 -!- scttnlsn [~scttnlsn@2604:6000:1403:343:dce5:5c41:f67b:e932] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-11T17:07:42 < karlp> lolrence you don't work with roger or andy do you? 2018-01-11T17:07:52 < karlp> I should just ask them instead 2018-01-11T17:08:01 < Laurenceb> Andy? 2018-01-11T17:08:02 < Laurenceb> wut 2018-01-11T17:08:08 < Laurenceb> wrong again 2018-01-11T17:08:55 < karlp> didn't deny roger, 2018-01-11T17:09:08 < Laurenceb> or him 2018-01-11T17:13:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T17:16:34 < Thorn> when will Laurenceb join the #metoo campaign and speak out about Leo? 2018-01-11T17:16:44 < Laurenceb> wut 2018-01-11T17:16:51 < Laurenceb> what did he do? 2018-01-11T17:17:28 < Thorn> only Laurenceb knows that 2018-01-11T17:19:00 < Laurenceb> what the... 2018-01-11T17:19:01 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj0a0wtGQKo 2018-01-11T17:19:10 < Laurenceb> AN-124 rally racing 2018-01-11T17:29:51 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@185.230.125.44] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T17:30:09 < dale6998> how do i change the default port in an openocd.cfg file? 2018-01-11T17:37:29 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@185.230.125.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-11T17:38:50 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@mail.vxicorp.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T17:48:22 < emeb> I've got a pal who needs some help porting some HID code from AVR to ARM. Paying work with a schedule, goals, etc. I can't help but if anyone out there is interested just PM me. 2018-01-11T17:49:47 < karlp> dale6998: http://openocd.org/doc/html/Server-Configuration.html (there's three ports per instance) 2018-01-11T17:51:06 -!- [1]MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T17:51:18 < dale6998> karlp: do i have to change all 3? 2018-01-11T17:51:42 < dale6998> i've tried the gdb_port and tcl_port, but not the telnet port, since i didn't know i was using that with arm-none-eabi-gdb 2018-01-11T17:51:58 < karlp> depends why you're changing them. 2018-01-11T17:52:10 < karlp> if you want to have a second instance, yeah, you're going to need to change all three. 2018-01-11T17:52:20 < karlp> if you're avoiding an existing service on that port, sure, only change whatever you need. 2018-01-11T17:52:41 < dale6998> i do...i want to control/debug two different boards connected with two programmers on the same computer 2018-01-11T17:53:35 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-11T17:53:36 -!- [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius 2018-01-11T17:54:57 < dale6998> can i stuff those commands into the config file somehow? 2018-01-11T17:58:05 < karlp> same as any other command..... 2018-01-11T17:58:55 < dale6998> explicitly, right? no quotes, no -c, nothing extra? 2018-01-11T18:00:53 < karlp> same as any other command..... 2018-01-11T18:05:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T18:12:36 < Laurenceb> >data shows Anon-IB users connecting from U.S. Senate, Navy, and other government computers, including the Executive Office of the President 2018-01-11T18:12:44 < Laurenceb> Trump confirmed as epin troll 2018-01-11T18:38:42 < englishman> more pth assembly 2018-01-11T18:38:51 < englishman> this auto solder feeder makes it quick as fuck 2018-01-11T18:41:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-11T18:43:43 < Cracki> last time I saw a solder gun, it hat been raped merrily and the solder just woudl never meet the iron tip 2018-01-11T18:48:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-11T18:50:41 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3bc_1515553291 2018-01-11T18:51:20 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-11T18:52:39 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T18:52:39 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T18:53:42 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2018-01-11T18:53:55 -!- Steffanx changed the topic of ##stm32 to: STM32 | This channel is publicly logged ( http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/ ) | IRC wisdom: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips | Don't ask to ask | http://essentialscrap.com/tips/stm32prices/ 2018-01-11T18:54:04 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2018-01-11T18:56:36 < Laurenceb> can usb hubs with DC in usually work without the dc supply? 2018-01-11T18:56:48 < englishman> yes 2018-01-11T18:56:51 < englishman> usually 2018-01-11T18:56:52 < Laurenceb> cool 2018-01-11T18:56:58 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T18:57:04 < Laurenceb> https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/usb-hubs/7603993/ 2018-01-11T18:57:06 < englishman> barrel jack insertion breaks the upstream power 2018-01-11T19:00:28 < kikes> I wonder if this is some kind of inrush current protection 2018-01-11T19:00:51 < kikes> chineseum usb power supply regulator board has 0,1ohm resistor in it's input 2018-01-11T19:03:18 < Laurenceb> hmm this looks better https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/usb-hubs/1447996/ 2018-01-11T19:04:54 < kikes> any way to do inrush protection with virtually zero penalty as ohmic losses and very little parts? 2018-01-11T19:05:56 < Laurenceb> fets? 2018-01-11T19:06:02 < kikes> yes 2018-01-11T19:06:05 < BrainDamage> drive a mos with a RC 2018-01-11T19:06:13 < kikes> yes 2018-01-11T19:07:06 < Thorn> pillows for R2COM arrived https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50-50CM-New-Arrival-Cute-Polar-Bear-Buttock-Pillow-Plush-Doll-Toy-Soft-Pillow-Toy-Creative/32822117271.html 2018-01-11T19:08:33 < kikes> maybe I need to desing some small mos board to be slapped on 2018-01-11T19:09:31 < BrainDamage> careful that the mos can dissipate quite a bit depending on the cap you need to charge and the speed 2018-01-11T19:10:19 < BrainDamage> it'll be operating in linear region wich means it'll dissipate ~Vcc*current ( worst case ) and Vcc*current/2 average 2018-01-11T19:10:55 < BrainDamage> if you have audiophile grade cap bank it'll glow red hot 2018-01-11T19:11:10 < BrainDamage> or you have to set the current to be low 2018-01-11T19:12:57 < Cracki> 0.1ohm is probably used as a fuse... 2018-01-11T19:24:51 < Laurenceb> tbh I've never needed inrush protection on my projects 2018-01-11T19:25:05 < Laurenceb> cuz I usually have a vreg with current limiting 2018-01-11T19:25:27 < Laurenceb> guess if its e.g. a BESC then u might need something 2018-01-11T19:30:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T19:37:38 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T19:57:54 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-11T19:59:34 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-11T20:00:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-11T20:06:20 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-11T20:06:20 -!- XTL [xtl@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-11T20:34:30 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T20:38:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@84.217.184.16] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T20:58:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T20:59:25 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-11T21:02:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-11T21:03:14 < Laurenceb> EL Ogro de las Americas 2018-01-11T21:08:56 -!- scummos [scummos@kde/developer/brauch] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T21:12:43 -!- XTL [xtl@217.30.184.161] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T21:13:25 < ohsix> ReadErr: only a little while i was tracking some stuff down 2018-01-11T21:13:41 < ReadErr> ohsix: you should hit up incog 2018-01-11T21:13:46 < ReadErr> hes trying to find someone 2018-01-11T21:13:57 < ReadErr> to help sort 10gb of ecu dumps 2018-01-11T21:13:59 < ReadErr> by arch 2018-01-11T21:14:06 < ohsix> zyp: hey, theseven updated the aliexpress userscript, i forgot the url they posted it at, reposted https://paste.ubuntu.com/26367683/ 2018-01-11T21:14:12 < ReadErr> and doesnt have any idea 2018-01-11T21:14:27 < ohsix> are you sure you're not rucas 2018-01-11T21:14:38 < ReadErr> they are trying to MAME or w/e car ecus 2018-01-11T21:14:44 < ohsix> nice 2018-01-11T21:14:55 < ReadErr> why would i bet that loser rucas 2018-01-11T21:14:57 < ReadErr> be 2018-01-11T21:15:07 < ohsix> it's not too hard to just find out which it is from the ecu it was in 2018-01-11T21:15:26 < sync> ReadErr: that is pretty easy to do 2018-01-11T21:15:34 < ReadErr> sync: from a binary? 2018-01-11T21:15:36 < ohsix> well, i've asked before; i didn't mind rucas and we had the same type of chats 2018-01-11T21:15:39 < sync> yes 2018-01-11T21:15:44 < ReadErr> if it was hex you could look at padding 2018-01-11T21:15:45 < sync> are they processing the DAMOS 800 dump? 2018-01-11T21:15:55 < ReadErr> uhm let me find the link 2018-01-11T21:15:56 < sync> because there is not a lot of arches in there 2018-01-11T21:16:09 < ohsix> h3 2018-01-11T21:16:11 < ohsix> h 2018-01-11T21:16:18 < ohsix> DAMOS has toolchains 2018-01-11T21:16:39 < ReadErr> https://archive.org/details/car_roms.7z 2018-01-11T21:16:47 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T21:17:27 < sync> pfft archive.org is slow as shit 2018-01-11T21:17:49 < ohsix> it's tooting over here, 5MB/s 2018-01-11T21:17:59 < ReadErr> ohsix is stealing all the bandwidth 2018-01-11T21:18:03 < ohsix> ReadErr: has he tried putting any of them in binvis or see what binwalk says? 2018-01-11T21:18:38 < ohsix> there's like, more than one tool that looks for instructions to see where stuff is, and what arch 2018-01-11T21:18:51 < ohsix> binwalk will also look for gzip headers and stuff and look in those 2018-01-11T21:19:06 < sync> you can usually just look for the RCOS header if it is bosch hardware 2018-01-11T21:20:12 < ohsix> (and it probably is) 2018-01-11T21:22:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXlao2KNYjQ 2018-01-11T21:23:26 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@107.12.203.133] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-11T21:28:18 < ReadErr> its a bunch of different MCUs 2018-01-11T21:32:08 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-11T21:32:48 < ohsix> it's only a bunch cuz you're looking at a big slice of time 2018-01-11T21:35:52 < sync> if the download was not so goddamn slow 2018-01-11T21:36:46 < Steffanx> it has a hard time handling 4 simultaneous downloads :D 2018-01-11T21:37:00 < ohsix> i'll get the torrent 2018-01-11T21:38:48 < ReadErr> hes into that whole like 2018-01-11T21:38:55 < ReadErr> decapping crap 2018-01-11T21:39:11 < ReadErr> and archiving car ecus 2018-01-11T21:49:08 < ReadErr> http://forums.bannister.org//ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=111635#Post111635 2018-01-11T21:51:57 < Steffanx> incog sounds like such familiar nick.. 2018-01-11T21:53:16 < Steffanx> What's a dogo? 2018-01-11T21:53:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T21:55:11 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycp-zy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T21:59:07 < gxti> memes 2018-01-11T21:59:12 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T22:01:05 < Steffanx> oh, no need to say more gxti 2018-01-11T22:01:39 < ReadErr> he sucks 2018-01-11T22:01:44 < ReadErr> at connecting to freenode 2018-01-11T22:01:48 < ReadErr> all his shit is klined lol 2018-01-11T22:05:52 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T22:15:51 < englishman> Steffanx: incog is the reason logitech discontinued harmony 2018-01-11T22:17:57 < sync> ReadErr: that is all worthless shit 2018-01-11T22:18:48 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-11T22:21:11 < stvn> stffn 2018-01-11T22:21:51 < ReadErr> sync: lol what is it 2018-01-11T22:24:09 < Steffanx> uh englishman? 2018-01-11T22:24:40 < stvn> circuit 2018-01-11T22:27:33 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-11T22:31:31 < sync> ReadErr: mostly stuff where proper documentation is on the market now 2018-01-11T22:32:48 < stvn> dr.blaxter's memetics now on youtube 2018-01-11T22:38:27 < stvn> intro here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qg9NhXarVo 2018-01-11T23:02:56 < sync> oh wow ReadErr 2018-01-11T23:03:10 < sync> the map that dump contains 2018-01-11T23:04:05 < sync> ~maps 2018-01-11T23:04:12 < sync> looking at the t4 acv maps 2018-01-11T23:04:17 < sync> what cunt tuned that shit 2018-01-11T23:04:27 < sync> put the N75 wastegate pwm at 100% 2018-01-11T23:04:43 < sync> and tries to target 2.4barA boost at 1900 rpm 2018-01-11T23:04:50 < sync> without increaseing the absolute boost limiter 2018-01-11T23:04:56 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ~] 2018-01-11T23:05:04 < sync> although it will try to hit that boost due to the wastegate being turned off 2018-01-11T23:05:06 < sync> wow 2018-01-11T23:05:12 < sync> and they did not even increase IQ 2018-01-11T23:05:20 < sync> that will overspeed and overtemp the turbine quite well 2018-01-11T23:12:11 < ReadErr> sync: whatchu mean maps? 2018-01-11T23:12:35 < sync> well, the roms contain lookup tables for the ecu to run on 2018-01-11T23:12:40 < sync> also casually called maps 2018-01-11T23:12:45 < ReadErr> ahhh gotcha 2018-01-11T23:13:04 < ReadErr> he said its stuff stolen from carshops and tuners 2018-01-11T23:13:10 < sync> yeah 2018-01-11T23:13:21 < sync> and it has the same quality one would expect from those sources 2018-01-11T23:13:36 < sync> it is clearly not up to OEM spec 2018-01-11T23:14:06 < ReadErr> i dont even see what hes gonna do 2018-01-11T23:14:14 < sync> yes 2018-01-11T23:14:17 < ReadErr> or why they would be useful in MAME 2018-01-11T23:14:20 < sync> not with that shit quality datasource 2018-01-11T23:27:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-11T23:33:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2018-01-11T23:46:30 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@mail.vxicorp.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2018-01-11T23:52:35 < englishman> ReadErr: he doesnt know the goal either, its opensores faggotry 2018-01-11T23:52:43 < englishman> the "goal" is to emulate the cpu. nothing more 2018-01-11T23:53:05 < ohsix> by the time you've done that you've documented a lot about the systems 2018-01-11T23:53:40 < ReadErr> hows that help me drive my car lol 2018-01-11T23:57:59 < zyp> «research» --- Day changed Fri Jan 12 2018 2018-01-12T00:04:29 -!- root__ [~root@168.235.89.224] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T00:04:51 < root__> you ReadErr 2018-01-12T00:05:03 -!- root__ is now known as lncog 2018-01-12T00:05:15 < Steffanx> Whats IQ mean in this context sync? 2018-01-12T00:05:46 < ReadErr> sync: this is the pirate/thief 2018-01-12T00:05:49 < ReadErr> lncog: 2018-01-12T00:06:05 < ReadErr> ohsix: 2018-01-12T00:06:08 < sync> injection quantity Steffanx 2018-01-12T00:07:31 < ohsix> wat 2018-01-12T00:07:53 < lncog> hello 2018-01-12T00:08:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@84.217.184.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-12T00:08:03 < lncog> i heard you knew ecus 2018-01-12T00:08:31 < lncog> ive been manually using winOLS to step thru them 2018-01-12T00:08:57 < englishman> hola lncog 2018-01-12T00:09:06 < lncog> hello englishman 2018-01-12T00:09:50 < Steffanx> Efnet mates reunited.. 2018-01-12T00:10:22 < Steffanx> I know your nick from somewhere, not sure if irc or twatter. 2018-01-12T00:10:30 < lncog> mine? 2018-01-12T00:10:50 < lncog> its my first day on irc 2018-01-12T00:11:17 < englishman> happy irc birthday 2018-01-12T00:11:20 < ReadErr> like a virgin 2018-01-12T00:11:38 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyycp-zy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-12T00:11:53 < Steffanx> The millenials these days... 2018-01-12T00:12:03 < BrainDamage> prepare to a barrage of nonsense, racial slurs, and be intimately familiar with the sentence 'not funny laurenceb' 2018-01-12T00:12:20 < ReadErr> lol 2018-01-12T00:12:27 < lncog> long time no see ohsix 2018-01-12T00:12:27 < ReadErr> you dont know lncog very well 2018-01-12T00:12:30 < ReadErr> actually lncog 2018-01-12T00:12:35 < ReadErr> Laurenceb is your brother 2018-01-12T00:12:39 < lncog> ? 2018-01-12T00:12:53 < ReadErr> hes into meme magic 2018-01-12T00:12:57 < BrainDamage> oh, so he can finally satisfy his incest fetish 2018-01-12T00:12:58 < ReadErr> and all that shit 2018-01-12T00:13:02 < lncog> plz i dont want my bad reputation getting in the way of this mcu hunt 2018-01-12T00:13:10 < Steffanx> Haha 2018-01-12T00:13:17 < Steffanx> Too late 2018-01-12T00:13:24 < lncog> :c 2018-01-12T00:13:32 < ReadErr> we just reply to him with: http://i.imgur.com/eqNYHZ3.png 2018-01-12T00:18:35 < lncog> dont be shy ohsix 2018-01-12T00:19:29 < Thorn> delta iv launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCjIaCBldY 2018-01-12T00:23:36 < lncog> i have 10gb of car roms, i want to emulate them but all i have are bins stolen from car thieves and ricers, to put them in mame i need to know their cpu at the very least 2018-01-12T00:23:58 < lncog> im out for any ideas how to do this bulk, its a lot of them 2018-01-12T00:25:14 < sync> I would not really use that datasource 2018-01-12T00:25:17 < sync> there are much better ones 2018-01-12T00:25:38 < lncog> im blind on this, i dont know cars or the tuner scene 2018-01-12T00:25:54 < sync> with the VAG stuff you can usually read the part number and figure out what it is from that 2018-01-12T00:26:17 < sync> then why would you even try to shove them through an emulator? 2018-01-12T00:26:33 < lncog> there's already one there, the digijet 2018-01-12T00:27:13 < lncog> mame has atms, credit card readers, a brazilian pay phone 2018-01-12T00:27:47 < lncog> the last issue of poc-gtfo had a guy gutting a cps1 arcade emulator to edbug his 97 chevy 2018-01-12T00:27:56 < lncog> same cpu 2018-01-12T00:29:30 < sync> yeah you can do that, or just retrofit your car with a modern ecu 2018-01-12T00:29:44 < lncog> https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo16.pdf 2018-01-12T00:29:48 < lncog> page 7 2018-01-12T00:30:23 < lncog> im out to document what chip is in what, right now the only list is mame so im adding to it 2018-01-12T00:30:36 < lncog> were also decapping tiger handhelds etc 2018-01-12T00:30:46 < lncog> mame's scope is fully open 2018-01-12T00:30:53 < lncog> anything with a cpu/mcu 2018-01-12T00:31:18 < karlp> at what point are you not just duplicating qemu? 2018-01-12T00:31:31 < sync> wtf what autism 2018-01-12T00:31:42 < sync> he could just have used hp tuners and disabled VATS 2018-01-12T00:32:23 < sync> or bought a new ecu and virginized it and relearned his key 2018-01-12T00:32:37 < lncog> i think cruoisity got to him 2018-01-12T00:34:09 < lncog> so, ecu archs, the big ones seem to be bosch's powerpc on a chip, seimens 16bit risc, nissan uses superh 2018-01-12T00:34:34 < lncog> got superh and powerpc cores in mame already 2018-01-12T00:35:37 < sync> nah 2018-01-12T00:35:48 < sync> bosch used a lot of c167 2018-01-12T00:35:53 < sync> with mask rom for init 2018-01-12T00:36:01 < sync> then infineon tricore 2018-01-12T00:36:41 < lncog> i wish i could find archives, theres 40yrs of underdocumented computer history 2018-01-12T00:36:57 < sync> mitsubishi uses a custom 6811 derivative 2018-01-12T00:37:01 < sync> or used 2018-01-12T00:37:11 < lncog> and a surface of attack not enumerated, if you think like that 2018-01-12T00:37:15 < sync> conti uses tricore nowadays as well 2018-01-12T00:37:32 < sync> he did not even pull it off 2018-01-12T00:37:34 < sync> lame 2018-01-12T00:39:32 < lncog> pull it off? 2018-01-12T00:40:48 < lncog> ty for the info, it has been lacking, one of the books was also $1.5k 2018-01-12T00:40:56 < lncog> thank christ for libgen 2018-01-12T00:41:16 < sync> he did not manage to bypass the immobilizer 2018-01-12T00:41:24 < lncog> never seen a book that expensive 2018-01-12T00:42:26 < Rickta59> cat in the hat first edition .. ~2k 2018-01-12T00:49:03 < karlp> huh, would have thought more 2018-01-12T00:51:01 -!- jadew` [~razvan@86.121.84.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T00:51:02 -!- anonnumberanon [~anonnumbe@unaffiliated/anonnumberanon] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-12T00:52:35 -!- freakuency_ [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-12T00:52:59 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.121.84.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-12T00:54:30 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-12T00:54:49 < karlp> heh, 16.5k for a first edition here: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&dj=on&ds=50&fe=on&recentlyadded=all&sortby=1&tn=Cat+in+the+Hat&x=0&y=0&yrh=1957&yrl=1957 2018-01-12T00:55:20 < karlp> 5-8k for an unsigned first edition 2018-01-12T00:55:33 -!- anonnumberanon [~anonnumbe@unaffiliated/anonnumberanon] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T00:57:55 -!- wasutton3_work [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-12T01:08:40 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T01:47:27 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-12T01:47:46 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T01:52:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T02:01:47 < Thorn> t-4 min 2018-01-12T02:01:54 < branjb> for what 2018-01-12T02:02:01 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCjIaCBldY 2018-01-12T02:02:03 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCjIaCBldY 2018-01-12T02:02:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-12T02:02:17 < branjb> MemeX ? 2018-01-12T02:02:26 < Ultrasauce> no ula 2018-01-12T02:02:47 < branjb> oic 2018-01-12T02:03:13 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T02:05:15 < branjb> abort wtf 2018-01-12T02:05:20 < Ultrasauce> the second one 2018-01-12T02:05:34 < Ultrasauce> they have a super wide window though, another hour 2018-01-12T02:05:35 < branjb> who is this ULA company 2018-01-12T02:05:42 < branjb> they sound rookie 2018-01-12T02:05:52 < Ultrasauce> LM & boeing 2018-01-12T02:06:06 < upgrdman> they're launching a spy satellite. not very rookie. 2018-01-12T02:06:21 < branjb> even kim can do that 2018-01-12T02:07:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-96.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T02:07:35 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T02:07:49 < Laurenceb_> my sides http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42656433 2018-01-12T02:08:27 < branjb> is that real, I thought it was /pol/ troll 2018-01-12T02:09:35 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-12T02:09:37 < branjb> >The New York Times reported three weeks ago that Mr Trump had said Haitians "all have Aids" during a June meeting about immigration. 2018-01-12T02:09:39 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-12T02:09:47 < Ultrasauce> borders closed 2018-01-12T02:15:22 < Laurenceb_> wut 2018-01-12T02:15:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260453/Donald-Trump-cancels-visit-Britain.html 2018-01-12T02:15:26 < Laurenceb_> reeeeeeee 2018-01-12T02:15:35 < Laurenceb_> I was already kitting up for the riot 2018-01-12T02:15:42 < Laurenceb_> am dissapoint 2018-01-12T02:15:48 < Laurenceb_> this shit had better go ahead 2018-01-12T02:17:51 < Laurenceb_> I was a refund on my taxes otherwise 2018-01-12T02:18:00 < Laurenceb_> I paid them expecting a riot to be delivered 2018-01-12T02:23:57 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T02:25:48 -!- hornang_ [~quassel@185.56.186.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-12T02:30:00 < emeb> riot surcharge 2018-01-12T02:30:30 < englishman> my BBQ is frozen shut 2018-01-12T02:30:48 < branjb> 4:59 PST new launch time 2018-01-12T02:31:25 < Laurenceb_> getting twitter trolled by Trump gets lame fast 2018-01-12T02:31:31 < Laurenceb_> I want to get trolled irl too 2018-01-12T02:37:48 -!- hornang [~quassel@185.56.186.27] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T02:39:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-12T02:40:25 < Laurenceb_> maybe we could have a floating trolling platform in the mid atlantic 2018-01-12T02:41:04 < Ultrasauce> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Sbx_underway.jpg 2018-01-12T02:41:08 < BrainDamage> if you replace the mid atlantic to the north sea, you have sealand 2018-01-12T02:41:19 < Laurenceb_> herh 2018-01-12T02:45:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auP5W-cP26E 2018-01-12T02:45:31 < Laurenceb_> 2000hp from that 2018-01-12T02:45:34 < Laurenceb_> no wonder 2018-01-12T02:46:56 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T02:47:01 < ds2> Hmmmm 2018-01-12T02:51:21 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-12T02:51:56 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-12T02:56:16 < dongs> englishman: hah 2018-01-12T02:56:17 < dongs> a 2018-01-12T02:57:31 < dongs> pro catbox cutting 2018-01-12T02:58:00 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/mXV6RRf.jpg 2018-01-12T02:58:11 < englishman> killed this cow just before xmas 2018-01-12T02:58:30 < BrainDamage> what's the yellow stuff on top? 2018-01-12T02:58:36 < Laurenceb_> wut the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx5wIqFeZE4 2018-01-12T02:58:38 < dongs> looks like sesame seeds or someshit 2018-01-12T02:58:45 < dongs> or dill 2018-01-12T02:58:47 < Laurenceb_> <9s in a diesel O_o 2018-01-12T02:58:51 < BrainDamage> no, seasame are small and round 2018-01-12T03:00:59 < englishman> fennel and coriander seed 2018-01-12T03:01:16 < englishman> and celery seed 2018-01-12T03:03:52 < englishman> BrainDamage: following this https://keviniscooking.com/smoked-brisket-brined-dry-rubbed-cherry-wood-smoked/ 2018-01-12T03:04:29 < BrainDamage> ah, I'm not a fan of smoked meats 2018-01-12T03:04:35 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2X7GCUhZJs 2018-01-12T03:04:48 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T03:05:04 < machinehum> Has anyone used chibi w/ F7's 2018-01-12T03:05:17 < englishman> bagels and smoked meats, two very important jewish innovations 2018-01-12T03:05:25 < dongs> do you have an actual application that requires F7 2018-01-12T03:06:42 < machinehum> Maybe 2018-01-12T03:07:09 < machinehum> Maybe it's a one off and I just want the extra power 2018-01-12T03:07:16 < machinehum> Why? 2018-01-12T03:10:52 < englishman> His company paid just over £100,000 to buy the assets of Zano's original developer - the Swansea, Wales-headquartered Torquing Group - after it collapsed. 2018-01-12T03:10:55 < englishman> uh 2018-01-12T03:10:57 < englishman> what assets 2018-01-12T03:11:19 < BrainDamage> the kickstarter money 2018-01-12T03:11:54 < sync> Laurenceb_: where is problem? 2018-01-12T03:12:33 < Laurenceb_> wut problem? 2018-01-12T03:15:09 < sync> 2000hp from diesels 2018-01-12T03:15:28 < BrainDamage> the engine went into rapid autonomous disassembly 2018-01-12T03:24:22 < sync> the problem with diesel is the low burn velocity 2018-01-12T03:25:06 < sync> which severely limits your engine speed and the window where you can effectively generate power 2018-01-12T03:27:41 < sync> but, you don't need to throttle them 2018-01-12T03:28:39 < ds2> it depends on how you use the power 2018-01-12T03:28:50 < ds2> diesels generate a lot of power in a diesel-electric train 2018-01-12T03:38:30 < sync> yes, but diesel electric trains are not a car 2018-01-12T03:42:44 < dongs> maybe teh scope 2018-01-12T03:43:02 < Laurenceb_> diesels work in muh ancient opel 2018-01-12T03:43:04 < Laurenceb_> works 4 me 2018-01-12T03:43:16 < dongs> dicknplace loaded time to chinaman 2018-01-12T03:43:22 < Laurenceb_> anyways, has anyone here used NI-VISA? 2018-01-12T03:43:32 < BrainDamage> unfortunately 2018-01-12T03:43:43 < dongs> i think i installed it once 2018-01-12T03:43:46 < dongs> it was ilke 800megs 2018-01-12T03:43:48 < dongs> for ???????????? 2018-01-12T03:44:02 < dongs> i needed it to get scope display to show up on PC or something 2018-01-12T03:44:41 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: I need to run a shaker 2018-01-12T03:44:58 < Laurenceb_> need 50ohm output with multiple sin waves 2018-01-12T03:45:27 < Laurenceb_> should I just grab F4 discovery and run chibios and DAC? 2018-01-12T03:47:41 < BrainDamage> I've only used with packet handling to automate instrumentation control, i didn't use the waveform synths 2018-01-12T03:47:48 < Laurenceb_> ok 2018-01-12T03:47:59 < Laurenceb_> I'm really not sure if this is worth it.... 2018-01-12T03:48:28 < Laurenceb_> just to get two ~200hz sin waves into 50ohm coax 2018-01-12T03:49:32 < Laurenceb_> my sides >Metroline bus driver Richard D’Souza, and another worker were watching the Munich attrocity on a mobile phone in the bus terminal outside Brent Cross Shopping Centre when colleague Musa Maye, 37, started shouting "Allahu Ackbar" at them, the Old Bailey heard 2018-01-12T03:50:43 < Laurenceb_> I have a cunning plan 2018-01-12T03:50:53 < Laurenceb_> more cunning than the fox ... etc 2018-01-12T03:51:12 < Laurenceb_> write simple shit on usb stick, stick in the signal generator 2018-01-12T03:51:16 < Laurenceb_> simples 2018-01-12T03:55:31 < sync> just use a function generator? 2018-01-12T03:56:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T03:57:12 < Ultrasauce> sounds like yet another problem to solve with a usb audio device 2018-01-12T03:57:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah but I need ~5hz + ~5 to 350hz sweep 2018-01-12T03:57:21 < Laurenceb_> holy shit 2018-01-12T03:57:27 < Laurenceb_> why didnt I think of that one 2018-01-12T03:57:34 < Laurenceb_> freaking obvious :P 2018-01-12T03:57:36 < Ultrasauce> one of these days i'm going to start charging you 2018-01-12T03:57:41 < Laurenceb_> hehe 2018-01-12T03:58:06 < Laurenceb_> but off the shelf usb audio would probably have annoying phase distortion 2018-01-12T03:58:08 < Laurenceb_> of wait 2018-01-12T03:58:10 < Laurenceb_> *oh 2018-01-12T03:58:22 < Laurenceb_> my existing matlab code can cancel that shit out 2018-01-12T03:58:40 < Laurenceb_> just plug shit into my line out port and matlab it 2018-01-12T03:59:03 < Ultrasauce> might need to bypass the coupling caps to get 5hz into 50 ohms 2018-01-12T03:59:57 < Laurenceb_> oh wait 2018-01-12T04:00:13 < Laurenceb_> I have copypaste firmware for audio out on F4 discovery 2018-01-12T04:00:15 < Laurenceb_> simples 2018-01-12T04:01:11 < BrainDamage> there are times i wish for you to be trolling, but i know you'll start asking for help with this insanity for the next month 2018-01-12T04:02:03 < ds2> yes but it isn't that different then a Chevy Volt 2018-01-12T04:03:11 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: accurate 2018-01-12T04:03:23 < Laurenceb_> but I'm paid for this insanity 2018-01-12T04:05:21 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.164.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-12T04:05:58 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.232.35] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T04:09:16 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T04:11:09 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-195-150-196.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-12T04:15:53 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75111.jpg 2018-01-12T04:20:15 < Laurenceb_> Even lobsters can't escape the wrath of capitalism 2018-01-12T04:25:08 < aandrew> oh I don't get that 2018-01-12T04:26:35 < dongs> i have yet to see anything funny coming from imgoat.com 2018-01-12T04:27:47 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: > my sides.jpg 2018-01-12T04:27:50 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2018-01-12T04:31:44 < Ultrasauce> dongs you dont even need to look at the domain, just the username 2018-01-12T04:32:40 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-96.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-12T04:57:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-12T05:00:02 < dongs> haha 2018-01-12T05:00:09 < dongs> assange sat inside ecuador embassy long enough 2018-01-12T05:00:13 < dongs> that they gave him citizenship 2018-01-12T05:00:19 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42648171 2018-01-12T05:03:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-12T05:07:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T05:13:53 < dongs> what teh fuck roland 2018-01-12T05:13:59 < dongs> i have their UM-1 usb midi interface 2018-01-12T05:14:01 < dongs> and it needs a fucking driver 2018-01-12T05:14:07 < dongs> why the fuck not just use MIDI class driver you retards 2018-01-12T05:18:31 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/kiokb5V.gifv 2018-01-12T05:20:37 < dongs> now it doesnt want to install in win10 either 2018-01-12T05:20:49 < dongs> oh hell the .sys isnt signed 2018-01-12T05:20:51 < dongs> just the .cat 2018-01-12T05:20:52 < dongs> that isnt gonan fly 2018-01-12T05:20:54 < dongs> fuckign retards 2018-01-12T05:22:16 < dongs> You can fix this with a text editor. Remember also you must set your Windows installation NOT to enforce driver signing. Please see the comments (below) for how to do this. 2018-01-12T05:22:19 < dongs> ... yeah THANKS 2018-01-12T05:29:03 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-236-108.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T05:30:57 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-12T05:37:56 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-12T06:04:21 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T06:42:25 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/rej1lp9.jpg 2018-01-12T06:44:25 < dongs> seen 2018-01-12T06:44:37 < dongs> is the joke that someone shopped hashminer into kashminer? 2018-01-12T06:48:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-12T07:03:27 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-12T07:09:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-12T07:13:00 < dongs> wat 2018-01-12T07:13:38 < dongs> no its some japco making MIDI crap 2018-01-12T07:19:27 < dongs> solved my midishit latency 2018-01-12T07:19:29 < dongs> there was none 2018-01-12T07:19:37 < dongs> fucking microsoft GS synth was adding like half a second of delay 2018-01-12T07:19:41 < dongs> aids 2018-01-12T07:22:04 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-12T07:22:16 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T07:25:50 < jadew`> grr, thought I found the first image I fapped to, but it turns out there's a whole series of pictures taken in that style and I can't remember which one it is 2018-01-12T07:26:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T07:26:51 < dongs> japscat is pretty unoriginal 2018-01-12T07:27:30 < jadew`> it's nothing dirty 2018-01-12T07:27:42 < jadew`> one of the girls on page 3 in the sun 2018-01-12T07:27:53 < dongs> the fuck is page 3 2018-01-12T07:27:56 < jadew`> altho, I've seen the picture in a local newspaper 2018-01-12T07:28:21 < jadew`> apparently they used to have a naked chick on page 3 2018-01-12T07:28:32 < jadew`> https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=page+3 2018-01-12T07:29:26 < dongs> it was later concluded that if they had just let go of the control column, the autopilot would have automatically taken action to prevent stalling, thus avoiding the accident. 2018-01-12T07:29:40 < dongs> gross. 2018-01-12T07:32:37 < dongs> heh i got to sit in cockpit of alaska airlines pre-9/11 2018-01-12T07:33:14 < dongs> and some random heli in the alaska 2018-01-12T07:33:38 < jadew`> why are you guys talking about a crash from 24 years ago? 2018-01-12T07:33:49 < dongs> why are you talking about gay shit you fapped to 24 years ago 2018-01-12T07:34:01 < jadew`> lol dongs 2018-01-12T07:34:14 < jadew`> just did the math, you were quite close 2018-01-12T07:34:14 < dongs> R2COM: heli from takeoff and during flight, alaska air i think they let me in thre during flight 2018-01-12T07:34:35 < dongs> that was fucking long time ago so I dont ermember. 2018-01-12T07:34:46 < dongs> not before 9/11 it wasnt 2018-01-12T07:55:34 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T07:59:04 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-12T07:59:04 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-12T08:12:48 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2018-01-12T12:29:37 < zyp> I thought that stuff were completely dead now, but apparently there's a possibility they might need more again 2018-01-12T12:31:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-12T12:34:29 < dongs> oh ffs 2018-01-12T12:34:37 < dongs> no actually I think that was the end of them 2018-01-12T12:34:46 < dongs> i might have had 1 or so left but I trashed it due to shitty stenciling 2018-01-12T12:35:27 < dongs> because if I recall you asked me to count the shit i had and i made ~20 or whatever was remaining? 2018-01-12T12:35:31 < zyp> oh, previous batch was maybe the remaining panels 2018-01-12T12:35:34 < zyp> that might be 2018-01-12T12:35:38 < dongs> yes 2018-01-12T12:36:17 < zyp> okay, might be another batch coming up then 2018-01-12T12:36:31 < dongs> https://imgur.com/qXtvfPG is this stoner shit? 2018-01-12T12:37:01 < Ultrasauce> what the fuck kind of question is that 2018-01-12T12:37:14 < tomeaton17> Why is there a key at the bottom 2018-01-12T12:38:31 < PaulFertser> Fancier than a regular on/off switch. 2018-01-12T12:38:51 < Ultrasauce> cause that's probably a >1W laser and those are dangerous as fuck 2018-01-12T12:39:10 < dongs> oh i was in normal sized browser window 2018-01-12T12:39:15 < dongs> didnt scroll down enough 2018-01-12T12:39:38 < Lux> looks safe 2018-01-12T12:39:47 < tomeaton17> Makes sense, but I prefer a lighter myself 2018-01-12T13:01:20 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-12T13:03:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T13:32:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-12T13:37:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T13:47:13 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-12T14:06:40 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-12T14:07:32 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T14:12:26 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T14:12:31 < kikes> hello pumps 2018-01-12T14:15:03 < lncog> hello 2018-01-12T14:20:36 -!- pulsar [~PLS@2a01:4f8:130:4029::1:7] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 2018-01-12T14:23:35 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-12T14:25:07 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T14:30:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T14:43:25 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-12T14:46:41 < c10ud> I'm gonna try ugfx with bare metal, wish me luck 2018-01-12T14:58:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-12T15:02:43 -!- pulsar [~PLS@88.198.83.182] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T15:02:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T15:07:00 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T15:09:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-12T15:11:02 -!- HorizonBreak [sid131374@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ldgaeccvsqqxxqla] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-12T15:13:07 -!- HorizonBreak [sid131374@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akyzoifesqsyhwpd] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T15:18:22 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T15:23:24 < Steffanx> Wont it do its own os-ish thing when you do that c10ud ? 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ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-12T15:40:47 < jadew`> I need a 1+ GHz oscilloscope, any suggestions for something cheap? < $1500 2018-01-12T15:41:04 < jadew`> good FFT is a plus 2018-01-12T15:42:18 < day> i assume heavily used :^) 2018-01-12T15:42:51 < day> in a "falling apart" state 2018-01-12T15:42:57 < sync> good fft on a scope is difficult 2018-01-12T15:44:48 < jadew`> eh, it's just a plus, not a requirement, I can do the FFT on the PC if necessary 2018-01-12T15:46:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-96.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T15:46:43 < jpa-> it's mostly just the lack of dynamic range on the frontend, not that the math is difficult 2018-01-12T15:47:44 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX_h3vczc7Q 2018-01-12T15:47:55 < day> what do you need 1Ghz bandwidth for? 2018-01-12T15:47:55 < Laurenceb_> my dreams of being a rapper are ruined 2018-01-12T15:49:49 < emeb> Unlikely you'll find anything cheap with > 1GHz bandwidth. Most cheap DSOs these days have sample rates > 1GHz, but they limit bandwidth to keep the displays meaningful. 2018-01-12T15:51:28 < jadew`> day, high speed digital stuff and I also want to take a look at some analog signals 2018-01-12T15:51:33 < emeb> Generally for DSOs they like to keep sample rate > 2.5x the rated BW, so if you really need 1GHz BW then the sample rate will be at least 2.5GHz which puts you into high-end territory. 2018-01-12T15:51:48 < aandrew> jadew`: I have a 350MHz analog front end digitizing scope from the 80s 2018-01-12T15:51:55 < aandrew> I swear it samples at 10ksps 2018-01-12T15:52:02 < aandrew> but the analog bandwidth is there 2018-01-12T15:52:14 < jadew`> ah, it's a sampling oscilloscope 2018-01-12T15:52:22 < aandrew> 4GHz analog bandwidth scopes on ebay are still pricey as fuck 2018-01-12T15:52:39 < jadew`> well, I only need at least 1 GHz, but it has to be real time 2018-01-12T15:52:41 < Thorn> btw, what max BW still makes sense if the scope doesn't have 50Ω inputs? 2018-01-12T15:52:56 < jadew`> I can do with a sampling scope for the analog stuff, but for digital, you need real time 2018-01-12T15:53:00 < aandrew> I also have a Tek 7854 mainframe scope from 1980 2018-01-12T15:53:08 < jadew`> Thorn, what do you mean? 2018-01-12T15:53:08 < aandrew> that's got 400MHz analog bandwidth but is HUGE 2018-01-12T15:53:29 < aandrew> right, you want 1GHz analog bandwidth and 1GSPS one-shot capability 2018-01-12T15:53:32 < aandrew> that won't be cheap 2018-01-12T15:53:43 < emeb> I see Siglent has a new scope out w/ 4 chls and 200MHz BW for < $1k 2018-01-12T15:53:51 < jadew`> well, for 1 GHz BW, you need 2.5 Gsps 2018-01-12T15:53:57 < aandrew> http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/7854 <-- that one, but not with the stand and all those modules 2018-01-12T15:54:04 < aandrew> just the scope and maybe a half dozen modules 2018-01-12T15:54:15 < Thorn> jadew`: I've been told that anything over a few tens of MHz will be too distorted with a 1MΩ input, regardless of other specs 2018-01-12T15:54:31 < aandrew> Thorn: yes, and your scope probes are going to be several hundred dollars to boot 2018-01-12T15:54:51 < aandrew> when I was doing PCIe work the scope was over $130k and the probes were solder-on probes that cost $4k apiece 2018-01-12T15:54:59 < aandrew> naturally I was not footing that bill 2018-01-12T15:55:12 < aandrew> although that scope made me hard anytime I was near it 2018-01-12T15:55:22 < jadew`> Thorn, the new Teks seem to do 1 GHz with passive probes, or am I wrong? 2018-01-12T15:55:24 < aandrew> it was the first scope I ever felt intimidated by 2018-01-12T15:55:33 < jadew`> but yeah, for 50 ohm input you need active probes 2018-01-12T15:55:34 < aandrew> lecroy wavesomething 2018-01-12T15:55:58 < emeb> waverunner, waveace, etc. 2018-01-12T15:56:06 < emeb> sounds like an old videogame 2018-01-12T15:56:19 < aandrew> let me see if I can find that thing 2018-01-12T15:56:26 < emeb> but most low-end lecroys are just rebadged siglent these days 2018-01-12T15:56:44 < jadew`> emeb, yeah, that 4 channel siglent looks nice 2018-01-12T15:56:51 < jadew`> but not enough BW 2018-01-12T15:57:03 < day> is it possible to use spectrum analyzers to judge the signal quality? 2018-01-12T15:57:11 < emeb> jadew`: I'm considering it. Downside is that it's only 1GSPS per 2 chls 2018-01-12T15:57:13 < day> assuming you have a periodic signal 2018-01-12T15:57:22 < jadew`> it is, but you don't get the entire picture 2018-01-12T15:57:28 < emeb> so if you're running all 4 chls then you only get 500MSPS/chl 2018-01-12T15:57:33 < day> well the entire picture costs 130k :^) 2018-01-12T15:57:38 < jadew`> heh, yeah 2018-01-12T15:57:40 < aandrew> http://teledynelecroy.com/oscilloscope/oscilloscopeseries.aspx?mseries=341 <-- I *think* that was it 2018-01-12T15:58:07 < Thorn> emeb: ds1024z is even worse, 250MS/s for all 4 channels on iirc 2018-01-12T15:58:23 < emeb> Thorn: ugh yeah. not good. 2018-01-12T15:58:35 < jadew`> yeah, I have that one and also paid 1k when it came out 2018-01-12T15:58:35 < aandrew> I have a shitty $600 70MHz AFE Hantek MSO5074 for my day to day and a 100MHz Tek that are the ones I use, those two old ones are only still around because I'm lazy 2018-01-12T15:58:38 < jadew`> (the rigol) 2018-01-12T15:58:40 < day> my thought was, use a spectrum analyzer to have an idea of the analog signal quality. then use a dedicated bus analyzer to actually work with it 2018-01-12T15:58:42 < Thorn> *ds1054z (and the 100MHz version too) 2018-01-12T15:59:07 < day> but im not sure how practical that is in reality 2018-01-12T15:59:08 < aandrew> the HP scope is pretty much junk, and the 7854 I keep dreaming I'm going to clean up and sell for major profit because it's a collector's item 2018-01-12T15:59:19 < emeb> the Tek 3k series are pretty nice - they run a full 2GSPS/chl 2018-01-12T15:59:22 < aandrew> sorry hantek was $300 not 600 I think 2018-01-12T15:59:24 < emeb> but they're $$$$ 2018-01-12T15:59:28 < jadew`> day, you can't draw too many conclusions based on the spectrum 2018-01-12T15:59:29 < aandrew> I do not like Tek's high end scopes 2018-01-12T15:59:38 < aandrew> their low/mid are great, but I find their high end are way underpowered 2018-01-12T15:59:42 < sync> I do not like tek scopes 2018-01-12T15:59:43 < aandrew> lecroy's got my vote for high end 2018-01-12T15:59:45 < sync> although I have one 2018-01-12T15:59:53 < sync> R&S seems to be nice 2018-01-12T16:00:01 < aandrew> haven't used htem 2018-01-12T16:00:13 < jadew`> emeb, yeah, they're nice but pricey 2018-01-12T16:00:14 < aandrew> I did use a lunchbox style yokogawa scope about 10y ago that was nice 2018-01-12T16:00:40 < jadew`> sync, R&S are probably the most expensive out there, isn't it? 2018-01-12T16:00:45 < emeb> jadew`: and their software upgrade strategy rubs me the wrong way. 2018-01-12T16:01:03 < day> aandrew: we have one of those as well. they look quite funny 2018-01-12T16:01:11 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-141-2-96.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-12T16:01:23 < emeb> Hi - your scope can do all these neat things right now. Just fork over the $$$! 2018-01-12T16:01:25 < jadew`> heard good things about them, but never saw one working 2018-01-12T16:01:30 < sync> not really jadew` 2018-01-12T16:01:52 < sync> they are actually relatively reasonably priced 2018-01-12T16:02:01 < aandrew> lol you can still get GPIB on high end lecroy scopes 2018-01-12T16:02:09 < sync> yeah why not 2018-01-12T16:02:17 < sync> you can even get tek usb to GPIB converters 2018-01-12T16:02:29 < sync> most of my shit runs gpib 2018-01-12T16:02:36 < emeb> I guess a lot of labs still have GPIB in their test racks 2018-01-12T16:02:44 < jadew`> same here, but I'd prefer ethernet 2018-01-12T16:02:56 < emeb> man those cables are stiff 2018-01-12T16:03:03 < sync> not if ou get good cables 2018-01-12T16:03:17 < sync> I only use R&S cables and they are still very flexible after 30 years 2018-01-12T16:03:18 < jadew`> I buy mine from china and they're ok 2018-01-12T16:03:36 < jadew`> but again, ethernet would be much better 2018-01-12T16:03:48 < jadew`> for one, you could talk to multiple devices at once 2018-01-12T16:03:52 < aandrew> yeah I'm with jadew` on this... ethernet all the way 2018-01-12T16:04:02 < sync> yeah sure 2018-01-12T16:04:21 < sync> but I'm not paying >500k to get a device that can do LXI 2018-01-12T16:04:26 < emeb> seems like most low-mid scopes these days have ethernet 2018-01-12T16:04:29 < sync> when the old stuff works 2018-01-12T16:07:21 < sync> what kinda annoys me is that no scope can stream out the ethernet port 2018-01-12T16:07:38 < aandrew> never used GPIB 2018-01-12T16:07:46 < emeb> just screendumps and web control? 2018-01-12T16:07:54 < aandrew> well no the old commode-door PET used those connectors :-) 2018-01-12T16:08:06 < sync> yeah emeb or LXI data request 2018-01-12T16:08:24 < emeb> so you can't use them as SDR frontends. :( 2018-01-12T16:09:18 < emeb> Seems most of the cheap ones lately are just Zynq FPGAs - you could do a custom firmware for them that would support streaming! 2018-01-12T16:09:24 < aandrew> I was gonna say I thought GPIB was only good for screenshot and config 2018-01-12T16:09:38 < aandrew> emeb: link to one like that 2018-01-12T16:09:42 < sync> yeah emeb 2018-01-12T16:10:10 < karlp> whoever linked that free electron lasers beam talk, tahnks. 2018-01-12T16:10:51 < sync> that talk was ok, no new info tho 2018-01-12T16:11:15 < karlp> sure, but a nice summary for people who don't work in or follow that field 2018-01-12T16:11:32 < PaulFertser> karlp: \o/ 2018-01-12T16:12:19 < sync> most of the talks I tried to watch I wanted to kick the lecturer off the stage 2018-01-12T16:15:11 < sync> that one talk where the guy tried to explain semiconductor mfg 2018-01-12T16:15:13 < sync> wow 2018-01-12T16:15:16 < sync> cringed so hard 2018-01-12T16:15:37 < aandrew> link to talk? 2018-01-12T16:20:29 < sync> can't find it now 2018-01-12T16:21:38 < PaulFertser> https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9250-the_making_of_a_chip ? 2018-01-12T16:22:05 < sync> yes 2018-01-12T16:32:04 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/Paddy_Hobbs/status/951354860489846784 2018-01-12T16:37:52 < tomeaton17> I think somebody messed up http://info.atollic.com/in-tool/get-started#stm lol 2018-01-12T16:39:04 < tomeaton17> The import&learn section is really helpful 2018-01-12T16:42:23 < englishman> nice 2018-01-12T16:42:31 < englishman> haha that talk 2018-01-12T16:42:48 < englishman> cannot even click that again 2018-01-12T16:43:25 < englishman> a far cry from that AGC talk 2018-01-12T16:44:00 < englishman> yeah looks like the ST interns have already taken over atollic 2018-01-12T16:44:27 < tomeaton17> I like the bit at the bottom talking about a bad impression 2018-01-12T16:45:24 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T16:45:53 < englishman> and having to register to view/download basic shit 2018-01-12T16:46:00 < englishman> funny that, coming from ST 2018-01-12T16:48:35 < tomeaton17> Do you think it is worth it to port my exisiting makefile project to truestudio for better support with jlink and it becoming free 2018-01-12T16:48:48 < zyp> no 2018-01-12T16:51:51 < tomeaton17> ok 2018-01-12T16:56:41 < emeb> OTOH how hard could it be? 2018-01-12T16:57:15 < emeb> if truestudio is as easy & wonderful as they say it shouldn't take you too long to import your current project and get it working. 2018-01-12T16:57:22 < emeb> would be a good test to see if it's any good. 2018-01-12T16:57:56 < emeb> I've ported several stm32 projects around between makefile / coocox / keil / sw4stm32 / etc 2018-01-12T16:58:23 < emeb> generally it's just a lot of clicky-pointy to load in the source and set the proper options 2018-01-12T17:00:50 < tomeaton17> Yeah I will give it a try, will probably wait until they actually make it free 2018-01-12T17:07:20 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T17:13:11 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-12T17:17:55 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T17:19:27 < Lux> imo the description of that talk allready gave away that it'd be bad 2018-01-12T17:19:42 < Lux> didn't even attemt to watch it :) 2018-01-12T17:22:32 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T17:28:39 < aandrew> tomeaton17: I use a modified stvn0's makefile 2018-01-12T17:28:43 < aandrew> from github 2018-01-12T17:28:50 < aandrew> steve0, stvn0 something like that 2018-01-12T17:37:43 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T17:48:03 < sync> Lux: yes 2018-01-12T18:00:42 < Laurenceb> reee stupid laptops 2018-01-12T18:00:59 < Laurenceb> I cant find one with shittons of usb ports 2018-01-12T18:01:57 < Laurenceb> ancient dell is actuall better than anything new 2018-01-12T18:02:09 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-12T18:02:41 < tomeaton17> Most of the new ones just have a usb c and expect you to buy a dock 2018-01-12T18:03:18 < Laurenceb> yeah wtf 2018-01-12T18:03:34 < Laurenceb> I'm lucky to find something with 3 ports 2018-01-12T18:04:00 < c10ud> Tectu_, can I download ugfx studio? 2018-01-12T18:04:05 < tomeaton17> My current one has two and a usb c. I dont really mind about the usb ports, but it only has hdmi 1.4 which is very irritating 2018-01-12T18:04:13 < Laurenceb> this is working quite well after lots of raging https://pastebin.com/FVVqfYwc 2018-01-12T18:04:26 < Laurenceb> still hard to get accurate gyro calibration 2018-01-12T18:07:27 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-12T18:08:24 < tomeaton17> aandrew: I am using Fleck one at the moment but want to try truestudio 2018-01-12T18:09:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T18:11:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFvZ4TwfpHU 2018-01-12T18:17:23 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-12T18:23:50 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@50.96.232.35] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 2018-01-12T18:27:07 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75228.jpg 2018-01-12T18:36:04 < tomeaton17> exit 2018-01-12T18:37:33 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Ultrasauce, R0b0t1, DrLuke, ntfreak 2018-01-12T18:37:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: DrLuke 2018-01-12T18:37:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ntfreak 2018-01-12T18:37:39 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Ultrasauce 2018-01-12T18:38:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: R0b0t1 2018-01-12T19:04:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-12T19:15:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T19:16:19 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-12T19:23:43 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@50.37.247.66] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T19:24:01 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T19:26:28 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-12T19:45:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-12T19:47:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7ce2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T19:56:30 < englishman> attn dongs: to combine your stoning and multirotoring hobbies http://www.team-blacksheep.com/products/prod:tbsgrinder 2018-01-12T20:13:40 < Laurenceb> lol team blacksheep 2018-01-12T20:13:48 < Laurenceb> b& from practically everywhere 2018-01-12T20:14:37 < Laurenceb> > If you dont know what this is, its probably not for you. 2018-01-12T20:14:40 < Laurenceb> not 4 me then 2018-01-12T20:18:04 < Ultrasauce> "is this stoner shit?" 2018-01-12T20:18:32 < Laurenceb> > stoning 2018-01-12T20:18:35 < Laurenceb> so ISIS then?> 2018-01-12T20:18:42 < Ultrasauce> yes 2018-01-12T20:42:23 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-12T21:22:14 < Steffanx> Lo 2018-01-12T21:22:40 < englishman> hi steffy 2018-01-12T21:22:46 < englishman> did you know that edison sux 2018-01-12T21:23:25 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/fk6dWCQ.jpg 2018-01-12T21:25:16 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyc2xdt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T21:25:24 < kikes> testing dishwasher 2018-01-12T21:25:36 < kikes> *sips* 2018-01-12T21:26:03 < kikes> seems to be working 2018-01-12T21:26:07 < kikes> *sips* 2018-01-12T21:28:16 < kikes> thank god for a dish washer 2018-01-12T21:31:13 < kikes> how do I find my raspi that is has most likelly a public ip and I have public ip too from raspi wireless bridge 2018-01-12T21:31:38 < kikes> and I have pretty much no cables or anything 2018-01-12T21:31:43 < kikes> usb cable 2018-01-12T21:31:54 < kikes> not even microsd adapter 2018-01-12T21:32:54 < kikes> and noip2 I removed too 2018-01-12T21:33:29 < kikes> and hey.. I don't have even an ethernet port 2018-01-12T21:34:56 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-12T21:46:19 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyc2xdt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-12T21:46:39 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyc2xdt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T22:31:01 -!- hdt551 [~hdt551@2600:1700:ff20:3d40:92b1:1cff:fe6e:7961] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-12T22:38:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T22:46:25 < kikes> https://youtu.be/b3od7GXKokk?t=14m57s fukin tite musics 2018-01-12T22:46:32 < upgrdman> when using the Solidify modifier, i get defects if the mesh has an acute angle. any workaround for this? 2018-01-12T22:46:36 < upgrdman> oops, wrong channel 2018-01-12T23:09:20 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-12T23:10:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-12T23:20:56 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-12T23:25:21 < Thorn> Delta IV NROL-47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9O-JH4DtiQ 2018-01-12T23:26:32 < upgrdman> Thorn, how much longer 2018-01-12T23:27:29 < Thorn> dunno I just tuned in 2018-01-12T23:28:26 < Ultrasauce> half an hour 2018-01-12T23:28:50 < upgrdman> plz tweet when they start the countdown 2018-01-12T23:29:00 < Ultrasauce> universal scrub alliance 2018-01-12T23:31:51 < Thorn> they already had an issue with the ground helium system today lol --- Day changed Sat Jan 13 2018 2018-01-13T00:02:00 < Ultrasauce> terminal count status check upgrdman 2018-01-13T00:03:14 < upgrdman> thx 2018-01-13T00:06:20 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-13T00:07:36 < upgrdman> they mentioned arming ordinance 2018-01-13T00:07:39 < upgrdman> why 2018-01-13T00:08:14 < upgrdman> we going to nuke north korea while we launch our spy satellite? 2018-01-13T00:08:15 < Ultrasauce> range safety 2018-01-13T00:08:28 < upgrdman> oh, to shoot it down if theres a problem? 2018-01-13T00:08:49 < Ultrasauce> yeah it's less destructive to blow up in the air than to hit the ground full of fuel 2018-01-13T00:08:56 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-13T00:09:20 < upgrdman> figured theres be internal self-destruct, but i guess an external kill is more reliable / extra protection 2018-01-13T00:09:23 < Ultrasauce> also a sensitive payload 2018-01-13T00:11:26 < upgrdman> lets hope they dont delay again 2018-01-13T00:11:29 < upgrdman> 10 2018-01-13T00:11:32 < upgrdman> 5 2018-01-13T00:11:50 < upgrdman> yay 2018-01-13T00:13:04 < Thorn> "and we have liftoff! finally!" 2018-01-13T00:14:01 < upgrdman> 2000lbs of fuel per second, hehe 2018-01-13T00:23:48 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T00:31:43 < karlp> hey, there we go, stm8 + swim support has now landed inn oocd 2018-01-13T00:33:18 < karlp> kikes: great album man, haven't listened to that in years 2018-01-13T00:33:39 < kikes> it newer gets old 2018-01-13T00:34:07 < Thorn> unpossible 2018-01-13T00:34:10 < Thorn> testing 2018-01-13T00:57:05 < kikes> how many hours to sleep? 2018-01-13T01:01:00 < kikes> today I was really tired at jubb 2018-01-13T01:01:29 < kikes> I wonder as it's my first friday here will I haer some noises at 4AM 2018-01-13T01:04:08 < Steffanx> kikes lives in a busy street? 2018-01-13T01:06:36 < kikes> lot of young folks I think 2018-01-13T01:06:47 < kikes> I have seen only young folks here 2018-01-13T01:07:01 < kikes> at my flats 2018-01-13T01:07:11 < Steffanx> If students they probably go to their parents in the weekend? 2018-01-13T01:07:56 < kikes> why? 2018-01-13T01:08:07 < kikes> no students here 2018-01-13T01:08:16 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T01:08:27 < kikes> just a few if any 2018-01-13T01:08:36 < kikes> these are not at that price point 2018-01-13T01:08:38 < Steffanx> Idk.. young people, small houses => students. 2018-01-13T01:08:52 < stvn> small time 2018-01-13T01:09:05 < kikes> what else is small stvn 2018-01-13T01:09:30 < kikes> Steffanx, appartments 2018-01-13T01:09:51 < kikes> there is proper housing for students here 2018-01-13T01:10:04 < kikes> inexpensive and enought capacity 2018-01-13T01:10:07 < Steffanx> In dutchland students live in houses like yours. 2018-01-13T01:10:20 < kikes> here there is student flats 2018-01-13T01:10:31 < stvn> dutchland mate 2018-01-13T01:11:05 < kikes> rent is like 50% or under 50% compared to same size rent appartment 2018-01-13T01:11:51 < kikes> worn and simple housing but at that price point you don't need to insert any of your own money to rent 2018-01-13T01:12:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-13T01:13:13 < kikes> because dole pays max 280 or so per month of your student rent 2018-01-13T01:13:31 < stvn> D O L E 2018-01-13T01:13:38 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/Sl8UiOb.jpg 2018-01-13T01:13:55 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T01:14:44 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T01:14:45 < Laurenceb_> DONALD BLUMP 2018-01-13T01:15:17 < kikes> have not yet received any dole moneys for anything as I tried to get unemploymend benefit just after I found my current jobb until I started at work and for my rent as general housing benefit until I get paycheck 2018-01-13T01:15:17 < stvn> LOL 2018-01-13T01:15:47 < kikes> today I got letter that said "nope" 2018-01-13T01:16:33 < kikes> so I went into warrior mode and wrote complain for hours banging my chest 2018-01-13T01:16:47 < kikes> I will get something somehow 2018-01-13T01:16:53 < BrainDamage> only to be said 'nope' again? 2018-01-13T01:17:37 < kikes> I think I got a loophole this time to make it work - they have overlooked something 2018-01-13T01:18:00 < kikes> made assumption based on information I didn't provide then 2018-01-13T01:18:19 < kikes> that I didn't have yet then 2018-01-13T01:18:41 < Laurenceb_> FIFTY SIX PERCENT 2018-01-13T01:18:53 < kikes> if I get nothing out of it at least I need to spend their time 2018-01-13T01:19:47 < Laurenceb_> kikes is literally NEET 2018-01-13T01:19:59 < Laurenceb_> even I'm not that bad 2018-01-13T01:20:46 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2018-01-13T01:20:55 < kikes> Laurenceb_, I have a full time jobb 2018-01-13T01:21:06 < Laurenceb_> ahh 2018-01-13T01:21:06 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T01:21:09 < kikes> I'm just trying to collect what is mine 2018-01-13T01:21:33 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T01:22:09 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-mZnJmlj60 blade runner clip 2018-01-13T01:22:32 < Steffanx> Its yours kikes 2018-01-13T01:23:21 < Steffanx> That you can get free money doesnt mean its yours, deserve it or .. 2018-01-13T01:23:31 < Steffanx> *not yours 2018-01-13T01:23:32 -!- fenug_ [~fenugrec@108.161.164.103] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-13T01:23:48 < kikes> not mine, not deserved 2018-01-13T01:23:54 < kikes> it's not the idea 2018-01-13T01:25:17 < Steffanx> Did you know killer lady in that movie is dutch? 2018-01-13T01:26:12 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5B0QdCXS9w 2018-01-13T01:27:46 < Laurenceb_> tbh i sat down at me desk with t oother workin class midle class people and me m8 said oi that bloak hitler he did'nt do nuffin he dont do nuffin and goosestepped down the corridor to trigger the libtards epic style, based kekistan 2018-01-13T01:28:14 < kikes> there is a system in place that takes inputs and checks parameters and calculates numbers and then take money from everybody and put it in my bank account and the system doesn't have emphaty or moral in it's actions 2018-01-13T01:29:37 < kikes> and there is nothing to stop anybody from using how much they want or find useful 2018-01-13T01:30:56 < kikes> it treats everybody equally 2018-01-13T01:31:37 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75295.jpg 2018-01-13T01:31:44 < kikes> if you have low morale and play a lot with it it treats you more equally for sure 2018-01-13T01:33:48 < kikes> so do you find it in principle wrong to use the system Steffanx? 2018-01-13T01:34:19 < kikes> is it an actual theft? 2018-01-13T01:35:45 < Steffanx> Im not R2COMMIE so i better not continue this "discussion" kikes 2018-01-13T01:35:50 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWNurdAE-9U 2018-01-13T01:36:45 < kikes> Laurenceb_, whitest black person alive? 2018-01-13T01:36:55 < BrainDamage> stvn: is that british envy? 2018-01-13T01:37:08 < Laurenceb_> kikes: probably 2018-01-13T01:37:25 < stvn> i think it's steffan's mate 2018-01-13T01:39:40 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75296.jpg 2018-01-13T01:40:24 < kikes> is that real uk media Laurenceb_ ? 2018-01-13T01:40:30 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-13T01:40:48 < Laurenceb_> we have a literal troll newspaper in all newspaper stalls :P 2018-01-13T01:41:27 < Laurenceb_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Sunday_Sport.jpg 2018-01-13T01:42:21 < kikes> Steffanx, well nothing is really yours 2018-01-13T01:42:26 < Laurenceb_> nsfw https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1mShqUUQAAUE3_.jpg 2018-01-13T01:43:02 < kikes> what the hell 2018-01-13T01:43:32 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] by ChanServ 2018-01-13T01:43:47 < Steffanx> Out of shit post points for today 2018-01-13T01:43:53 < kikes> "As Seen On TV!" 2018-01-13T01:44:56 < stvn> hahahahaha 2018-01-13T01:44:59 < stvn> what the fuck 2018-01-13T01:46:22 < kikes> this must be just a casual uk stuff 2018-01-13T01:48:53 < kikes> there is a magazine full of this stuff 2018-01-13T01:49:07 < kikes> maybe weekly? 2018-01-13T01:49:50 < BrainDamage> it's not a single magazine 2018-01-13T01:49:56 < BrainDamage> it's a whole class 2018-01-13T01:49:58 < BrainDamage> tabloids 2018-01-13T01:50:04 < kikes> yea 2018-01-13T01:50:36 < kikes> I wonder how that country actually does as well it does 2018-01-13T01:51:11 < BrainDamage> holding an empire for hundred of years puts you in decent advantage, and others set back 2018-01-13T01:54:44 < upgrdman> tabloids are good for monitizing the poor and stupid 2018-01-13T01:54:59 < kikes> and making them ever more stupid 2018-01-13T01:55:10 < kikes> and also more poor 2018-01-13T01:56:23 < stvn> where is englishman 2018-01-13T01:56:33 -!- inca_ [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-13T01:56:36 < upgrdman> seeing someone buy a tabloid is like seeing someone buy a lottery ticket, or buying alcohol and a bag a ice at 7am 2018-01-13T01:57:10 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T01:58:52 < kikes> if people that buy lottery tickets would invest that money to literally anything they would still have better return rate 2018-01-13T02:01:17 < stvn> buy capacitors? 2018-01-13T02:01:26 < upgrdman> or buttcoi 2018-01-13T02:01:28 < upgrdman> or buttcoin 2018-01-13T02:01:44 < stvn> nah 2018-01-13T02:01:53 < stvn> not cryptoniggers 2018-01-13T02:02:32 < stvn> i sold a crt monitor i paid a dollar for, got $400. 2018-01-13T02:03:32 < upgrdman> someone paid 400 for a crt? 2018-01-13T02:04:03 < kikes> so crt monitors are your good luck charm? 2018-01-13T02:04:15 < stvn> nope 2018-01-13T02:04:22 < upgrdman> well at least a crt is useful. you can drop it on someone to hurt them. 2018-01-13T02:04:32 < stvn> or turn it into a bong. 2018-01-13T02:04:41 < BrainDamage> crt have superior color gamut and contrast ratio to most lcd 2018-01-13T02:04:41 < upgrdman> that too 2018-01-13T02:04:56 < BrainDamage> if you're into photography, they have a pourpose 2018-01-13T02:05:12 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, compared to modern dci-p3 panels? 2018-01-13T02:05:22 < kikes> BrainDamage, I don't believe that is true in 2018 monitors 2018-01-13T02:05:23 < BrainDamage> _most_ 2018-01-13T02:05:35 < upgrdman> most tn? sure. 2018-01-13T02:05:39 < upgrdman> but ips? 2018-01-13T02:05:51 < kikes> lcd monitors has got seriously decent in last few years 2018-01-13T02:06:00 < upgrdman> and dci-p3 is becoming popular. 100% srgb is already commonish 2018-01-13T02:06:29 < kikes> mainly lack of totally shitty monitors in the market now 2018-01-13T02:07:13 < upgrdman> im STILL butthurt, waiting for some 4k120 or 4k144 monitors to become available 2018-01-13T02:07:31 < karlp> what does "dci-p3" mean? 2018-01-13T02:07:35 < upgrdman> lots of them at shows, but none for sale 2018-01-13T02:07:41 < upgrdman> karlp, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCI-P3 2018-01-13T02:07:49 < upgrdman> its a color space 2018-01-13T02:07:56 < kikes> upgrdman, and when you get one? 2018-01-13T02:08:09 < kikes> you start looking for 8k144 2018-01-13T02:08:21 < upgrdman> kikes, i'd buy at least 1, maybe 2 or 3 2018-01-13T02:08:32 < karlp> did they get sick of adobe-rgb and make up a new one? 2018-01-13T02:08:42 < upgrdman> yes i already want 8k, or at least 5k, but i'll "settle" for 4k120/144 2018-01-13T02:08:50 < karlp> it was always, "srgb is shiht, you nneed adobe-rgb" now it's all "here's some new colour space" 2018-01-13T02:08:50 < upgrdman> karlp, its moar better 2018-01-13T02:09:11 < upgrdman> the high end apple shits have dci-p3 panels now 2018-01-13T02:09:15 < karlp> heh, I just bought a brand new 1920x1080 lcd, annd am very happy with it. 2018-01-13T02:09:19 < upgrdman> and new dell xps does too, iirc 2018-01-13T02:09:21 < BrainDamage> well, the further are the vertex on the triangle the more colours you can represent 2018-01-13T02:09:28 < stvn> i want a monitor 2018-01-13T02:09:31 < karlp> prices of higher res stuff are stupid 2018-01-13T02:09:31 < BrainDamage> the question is if the display actually supports it 2018-01-13T02:09:36 < stvn> dunno what 2 get 2018-01-13T02:09:44 < upgrdman> karlp, ? 32" 4k60 dell is <$400 2018-01-13T02:09:56 < karlp> upgrdman: also, what's worng with buying alcohol and a bag of ice at 7am? 2018-01-13T02:10:01 < upgrdman> karlp, haha 2018-01-13T02:10:04 < BrainDamage> that i was wondering too 2018-01-13T02:10:05 < karlp> clearly you're from novice paarty state, california 2018-01-13T02:10:08 < stvn> i want heroin ice 2018-01-13T02:11:34 < upgrdman> even moar amazing color space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020 2018-01-13T02:12:29 < BrainDamage> throwing spectral coordinates and fitting coefficients is not hard 2018-01-13T02:12:41 < BrainDamage> making devices that can actually implement those is 2018-01-13T02:12:52 < upgrdman> very true 2018-01-13T02:13:10 < upgrdman> lets prod the japs into developing some amazeball LEDs for this 2018-01-13T02:13:20 < stvn> where do i get 8k monitor to crash adobe with? 2018-01-13T02:14:00 < BrainDamage> if it's any consolation, we might be able to finally hit the eye response limit with panels 2018-01-13T02:14:38 < upgrdman> what response limit? fps? color gamut? other? 2018-01-13T02:14:42 < BrainDamage> if you calculate the eye's lens diffraction limited resolving power for a screen at 40cm, it will give you feature size of ~1000 dpi 2018-01-13T02:14:46 < BrainDamage> size 2018-01-13T02:15:03 < BrainDamage> as in feature size 2018-01-13T02:15:15 < upgrdman> "retina" displays have been a thing for a while 2018-01-13T02:15:24 < upgrdman> that's 4K 13" panels is some faggot laptops 2018-01-13T02:15:26 < BrainDamage> those don't even get close to 1k dpi 2018-01-13T02:15:29 < upgrdman> and iirc some PHONES with 4k 2018-01-13T02:16:00 < BrainDamage> also, the resolution is a function of distance 2018-01-13T02:16:07 < upgrdman> of course 2018-01-13T02:16:13 < BrainDamage> with sinx/x behaviour 2018-01-13T02:18:21 < upgrdman> "On May 26, 2015, the NHK announced a 4K LCD with a laser diode backlight that covers 98% of the Rec. 2020 color space.[38][39] The NHK stated that at the time it was announced this 4K LCD has the widest color gamut of any display in the world.[40]" 2018-01-13T02:18:30 < upgrdman> wtf would you use a laser as a backlight? 2018-01-13T02:18:51 < upgrdman> isn't that like the opposite of what you want to do. you need to spread light over the surface, not collimate it into one dot. 2018-01-13T02:19:02 < BrainDamage> you can add diffuser plates 2018-01-13T02:19:13 < kikes> get laservue 2018-01-13T02:19:17 < kikes> get oled 2018-01-13T02:19:20 < BrainDamage> the advantage of lasers is that you can have narrow emissions 2018-01-13T02:19:33 < BrainDamage> and in turn, the filters can chop out the lines much better 2018-01-13T02:19:46 < BrainDamage> so you have very little cross-bleed between the channels 2018-01-13T02:20:40 < BrainDamage> the disadvantage of lasers is the shit efficiency 2018-01-13T02:20:45 < BrainDamage> 10% or so 2018-01-13T02:20:51 < upgrdman> hmm k 2018-01-13T02:20:55 < BrainDamage> that panel is gonna get hot 2018-01-13T02:21:39 < kikes> what do you care about efficiency when you want parameter X and Y and Z to be the top 2018-01-13T02:22:22 < BrainDamage> because some are so powerful that you will feel the heat in proximity 2018-01-13T02:22:34 < upgrdman> probably the jews in europe that demand everything be efficient 2018-01-13T02:22:46 < upgrdman> like stupid front-load washing machines 2018-01-13T02:22:49 < BrainDamage> didn't you remember 10 years ago visiting a tv store and near the panels it felt like a sauna? 2018-01-13T02:23:03 < BrainDamage> like that, but for a single panel 2018-01-13T02:23:56 < BrainDamage> front load washing machines are quieter and have better centrifuge 2018-01-13T02:24:06 < BrainDamage> efficiency is only a side effect 2018-01-13T02:24:21 < karlp> upgrdman: why is it only americans that use top load washers? 2018-01-13T02:24:39 < upgrdman> and in my experience, do a worse job of cleaning fabric 2018-01-13T02:24:48 < upgrdman> karlp, fuck if i know 2018-01-13T02:25:04 < stvn> maybe i can get a fucken 8k crt then 2018-01-13T02:25:32 < upgrdman> if nothing else tho, a top loader has the benefit of being able to add shit while it's filling with water. 2018-01-13T02:26:23 < BrainDamage> the main advantages of top loading are that you don't have to bend your back when loading, and that mechanism to diffuse detergents is simpler 2018-01-13T02:26:26 < upgrdman> and theres no stupid detergent drawer thinggy 2018-01-13T02:26:29 < BrainDamage> everything else is straight worse 2018-01-13T02:26:49 < upgrdman> oh ya, ergonomics is much better too, as you mentioned 2018-01-13T02:28:10 < karlp> kikes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9opu54L1tw&t=1413s return the favour 2018-01-13T02:30:52 < BrainDamage> noice 2018-01-13T02:31:13 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXygVlgPkn0 2018-01-13T02:31:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T02:31:42 < kikes> karlp, mm.. thanks 2018-01-13T02:32:02 < stvn> what do i buy 2018-01-13T02:32:30 < kikes> SHIT 2018-01-13T02:34:36 < kikes> buy a sports car 2018-01-13T02:36:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-13T02:37:07 < aandrew> dongs: you have lots of azn sources: looking for a cheap stereo dac (i2s in, line out), amp out would also be good, maybe 3W/ch 2018-01-13T02:37:48 < aandrew> closest thing I've found so far is NAU8402 (nuvoton) for 0.66 in 10k 2018-01-13T02:37:49 < BrainDamage> stvn: if the area where you are is not flat, buy a mountain bike 2018-01-13T02:37:53 < karlp> audio-cheap in zypsnnips has things from last time 2018-01-13T02:38:33 < BrainDamage> there's a reason why the verb for a car is drive, and bikes use ride 2018-01-13T02:40:00 < karlp> only 1.5W though, annd mono, ws the pam8301 thhey liked 2018-01-13T02:40:25 < karlp> never mind, totally different application 2018-01-13T02:40:33 < karlp> we'll add yours if you find one aandrew :) 2018-01-13T02:40:51 < jadew`> I wonder why the LD1117 doesn't have the thermal pad connect to GND instead of VCC 2018-01-13T02:41:43 < jadew`> anyone knows the answer to that? is it because of the manufacturing constraints or is there a better reason? 2018-01-13T02:41:57 < BrainDamage> the thermal pad is physically connected to the bulk 2018-01-13T02:42:23 < sync> hopefully 2018-01-13T02:42:35 < stvn> the silicon sociopath 2018-01-13T02:42:43 < BrainDamage> now, depending on the transistors they use, this can be actually different 2018-01-13T02:43:10 < Thorn> not only 1117, I'm using AP2204RA and it's the same 2018-01-13T02:43:25 < jadew`> it's very inconvenient 2018-01-13T02:43:30 < stvn> too bad 2018-01-13T02:43:34 < BrainDamage> typically it's weakly p-doped, so n-channel mos will have their emitters tied to it 2018-01-13T02:43:43 < BrainDamage> but it's not -strictly- necessary 2018-01-13T02:43:46 < jadew`> are there any regulators where the thermal pad is connected to GND? 2018-01-13T02:44:03 < stvn> we can only hope 2018-01-13T02:44:57 < jadew`> cooling it is very difficult 2018-01-13T02:45:07 < jadew`> I have one on a prototype and it hits 70 C 2018-01-13T02:45:15 < stvn> what ar eyou trying to do? 2018-01-13T02:45:27 < jadew`> I want something I can connect to GND 2018-01-13T02:45:34 < BrainDamage> use mica insulators 2018-01-13T02:45:35 < Thorn> there are sot-223 ldos with in-gnd-out pinouts iirc 2018-01-13T02:46:09 < sync> BrainDamage: could also be some FD SOI stuff 2018-01-13T02:46:33 < stvn> https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/AP2204.pdf 2018-01-13T02:46:56 < jadew`> nice 2018-01-13T02:47:01 < jadew`> thanks 2018-01-13T02:47:27 < Thorn> e.g. LT1129CST 2018-01-13T02:47:51 < Thorn> >TAB IS GND 2018-01-13T02:48:01 < jadew`> thanks, found that one 2018-01-13T02:48:03 < jadew`> not cheap 2018-01-13T02:48:36 < stvn> i do enjoy live heatsinks 2018-01-13T02:50:41 < Thorn> also http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/iru1206.pdf 2018-01-13T02:51:41 < jadew`> looks good too, thanks 2018-01-13T02:52:00 < Thorn> I used them in old designs for some reason. didn't know it was a non-standard pinout lol 2018-01-13T02:52:02 < BrainDamage> stvn: while i was doing my thesis one of the benches in the lab had a high voltage smps to power a series of amps that in turn actuated piezo transducers, the heatsinks were live with 3kV because none bothered to put insulators because the final assembly was supposed to be shrouded in a box, a prof touched one of them after it has been unpowered, but caps still charged 2018-01-13T02:52:17 < BrainDamage> it was as hilarious as you can image 2018-01-13T02:52:25 < BrainDamage> it flew few m 2018-01-13T02:53:40 < jadew`> aren't there some HP power supplies with live heatsinks? 2018-01-13T02:53:52 < stvn> fuck 2018-01-13T02:53:59 < stvn> sounds brutal 2018-01-13T02:54:10 < jadew`> I remember reading a warning sticker on one of them that said exactly that 2018-01-13T02:54:14 < stvn> did you do a phd BrainDamage ? 2018-01-13T02:54:24 < BrainDamage> nope 2018-01-13T02:54:44 < jadew`> anyone a dr. here? 2018-01-13T02:54:50 < BrainDamage> faprenceb 2018-01-13T02:54:57 < stvn> lol 2018-01-13T02:55:05 < BrainDamage> iknowrite 2018-01-13T02:55:06 < stvn> dr.blaxter of memetics mate 2018-01-13T02:55:07 < jadew`> heh 2018-01-13T02:55:16 < stvn> steffan's mate 2018-01-13T02:58:05 < BrainDamage> https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16882378/japan-jpop-band-virtual-currency-girls-kasotsuka-shojo-cryptocurrency 2018-01-13T02:59:22 < BrainDamage> is it just me or do the masks make them seem to have mustaches 2018-01-13T03:00:09 < stvn> yeah i kinda got that feeling too 2018-01-13T03:00:16 < jadew`> me too 2018-01-13T03:00:25 < jadew`> they look weird 2018-01-13T03:00:29 < stvn> i was thinking the band was made to annoy mr.dong 2018-01-13T03:00:52 < stvn> although fuck cryptoshit is annoying 2018-01-13T03:00:54 < BrainDamage> need kickstarter something 2018-01-13T03:01:13 < stvn> true that'd be great 2018-01-13T03:01:19 < stvn> what is a good thing2do 2018-01-13T03:02:18 < jadew`> found a cheap one 2018-01-13T03:02:21 < jadew`> MCP1825S 2018-01-13T03:02:41 < jadew`> but only 0.5A :/ 2018-01-13T03:02:56 < jadew`> hmm, actually that should be enough 2018-01-13T03:03:17 < stvn> Preloaded with Windows 10 Home, you'll have the personal assistance of Cortana, designed to help open apps and answer your questions 2018-01-13T03:03:19 < jadew`> it's about $0.70 2018-01-13T03:03:24 < stvn> do they not want me to buy this piece of shit 2018-01-13T03:03:38 < jadew`> you can disable cortana 2018-01-13T03:04:47 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-13T03:06:02 < stvn> well yeah 2018-01-13T03:06:05 < stvn> but still 2018-01-13T03:06:09 < BrainDamage> i want a bonziebuddy personal assistant option 2018-01-13T03:06:17 < stvn> it's like chlamydia 2018-01-13T03:06:27 < stvn> easy to treat but nobody likes to talk about it 2018-01-13T03:06:57 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bonzi_Buddy.png 2018-01-13T03:09:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T03:14:10 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-13T03:14:49 < karlp> iru1206 is 3mA Iq! 2018-01-13T03:15:56 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T03:16:00 < ohsix> wut 2018-01-13T03:16:37 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-13T03:24:52 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T03:31:55 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-7ce2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T03:31:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7ce2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-13T03:32:34 < stvn> what did i miss 2018-01-13T03:33:28 < karlp> not a thing 2018-01-13T03:34:26 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-13T03:34:45 < stvn> perfect 2018-01-13T03:37:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-13T03:42:35 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-13T03:57:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T03:59:24 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyc2xdt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-13T04:19:02 < tpw_rules> what stm32 has a thing at 0x40023800 2018-01-13T04:19:24 < tpw_rules> not f10 2018-01-13T04:19:42 < tpw_rules> and has an lcd controller 2018-01-13T04:20:21 < Thorn> maybe l0 2018-01-13T04:20:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-7ce2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-13T04:21:12 < tpw_rules> it's cortex m3 2018-01-13T04:21:26 < tpw_rules> (unless L0 has vtor)? 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I ask alibaba vendor for 10k unit price on esp32 module that is supposed to be FCC certified... comes back with $6/ea and no mention of FCC ID 2018-01-13T04:31:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-81-152-158-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T04:41:51 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-13T05:38:44 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-13T05:45:18 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T05:45:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-13T05:45:18 -!- emeb_mac_ is now known as emeb_mac 2018-01-13T05:46:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-13T05:46:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T05:50:59 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-13T05:51:29 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T05:52:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-81-152-158-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-13T05:54:21 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/4s9ko2f2mp901.jpg 2018-01-13T06:22:56 < tpw_rules> what about one that has a clock related peripheral at 0x42470000 2018-01-13T06:25:11 < tpw_rules> like the MSI enable or something?? 2018-01-13T06:55:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-13T07:08:37 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-13T07:11:16 -!- dale6998_ [~dale6998@185.230.125.51] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T07:11:26 < dale6998_> hey-o 2018-01-13T07:12:41 < dale6998_> i know the cubemx and hal are four letter words sometimes, but has anyone got any experience using I2C between two STM32's with interrupts? 2018-01-13T07:25:04 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-13T07:25:15 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T07:54:31 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T07:57:55 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-13T07:57:55 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-13T08:04:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-13T08:10:14 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T08:30:34 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T08:32:44 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-13T08:32:51 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-13T08:33:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T08:50:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T08:54:47 < dale6998_> ah, fuck it...i've just been reading the IRC wisdom for the last two hours 2018-01-13T08:55:34 < dale6998_> ....worth it. 2018-01-13T08:57:26 < emeb_mac> "wisdom" 2018-01-13T09:05:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-13T09:52:31 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-13T10:19:54 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T10:39:18 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T11:14:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-a9e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T11:15:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-a9e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-13T11:20:54 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T11:29:10 < jadew`> so... how safe are those chinese ultrasonic cleaners? I have one, but never used it 2018-01-13T11:29:25 < jadew`> should I wear ear plugs? 2018-01-13T11:29:55 < jadew`> I'm thinking that if I can't hear it, it has no effect, but maybe I'm missing something 2018-01-13T11:35:53 < PaulFertser> Your dog might bite you 2018-01-13T11:36:34 < Steffanx> Idk what the SPL of such thing is. And cant hear does hurt, is just as bad as saying can see doesnt hurt :P 2018-01-13T11:37:57 < jadew`> so how do you safely operate one? 2018-01-13T11:53:42 < Steffanx> Internet experts seem to contradict eachother much jadew` , we need an irc expert to give the final advice. 2018-01-13T11:54:42 < jadew`> Steffanx, I came to the same conclusion 2018-01-13T11:58:21 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T11:58:51 < Steffanx> stvn: is an audio expert.. 2018-01-13T12:00:31 < stvn> 1khz mate 2018-01-13T12:00:37 < stvn> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep 2018-01-13T12:00:43 < stvn> \o/ 2018-01-13T12:02:31 < jadew`> thing is I found some papers where they cite maximum admissible values for long exposure to those frequencies 2018-01-13T12:02:36 < jadew`> so there is a maximum value 2018-01-13T12:02:50 < jadew`> http://archiwum.ciop.pl/59815 (page 4) 2018-01-13T12:03:05 < jadew`> http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/crr_pdf/2001/crr01343.pdf 2018-01-13T12:03:13 < jadew`> the chinese devices operate at 40 kHz 2018-01-13T12:05:34 < stvn> hydrogen 2018-01-13T12:07:02 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T12:09:44 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-13T12:09:49 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-13T12:11:33 < stvn> day 2018-01-13T12:14:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-a9e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T12:23:49 < jadew`> stvn, what's AU and U weighting? 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:D 2018-01-13T15:25:18 < jadew`> eevblog story 2018-01-13T15:26:02 < Steffanx> and cause-effect relation.. 2018-01-13T15:26:45 < jadew`> it kinda makes sense tho, because the flash impedance is similar to water's, so the wave could penetrate easily 2018-01-13T15:26:50 -!- Tectu_ is now known as Tectu 2018-01-13T15:27:44 < jadew`> I expect that only a fraction of that to get into the air 2018-01-13T15:27:51 < jadew`> but it could still be enough to be dangerous 2018-01-13T15:28:11 < jadew`> I've seen a video of a guy cleaning some PCBs with it and the sound got severly degratded when he turned it on 2018-01-13T15:28:36 < jadew`> which could mean that the camera detected a large spike in sound level and lowered the recording volume 2018-01-13T15:28:56 < jadew`> let me see if the volume got lowered or it was some other sort of issue 2018-01-13T15:29:11 < jadew`> anyway, the point is that the noise is out there 2018-01-13T15:29:45 < jadew`> yeah, that's what happened 2018-01-13T15:29:56 < jadew`> https://youtu.be/R7xjFCAV0u0?t=204 2018-01-13T15:30:20 < jadew`> my guess it's that it's very loud 2018-01-13T15:30:30 < jadew`> *is that 2018-01-13T15:31:01 < jadew`> *flesh 2018-01-13T15:31:05 < jadew`> *the flesh impedance 2018-01-13T15:32:04 < jadew`> thoughts? 2018-01-13T15:46:58 < BrainDamage> that the mic detects it, it doesn't mean that the human body absorbs it 2018-01-13T15:47:41 < jadew`> that's true, but it seems to indicate that it's there and it's loud 2018-01-13T15:47:43 < BrainDamage> also, holy shit that accent, is it scottish? 2018-01-13T15:48:02 < jadew`> and from various papers I found online, the recommended level should be below 110 dBA 2018-01-13T15:48:07 < sync> jadew`: they still will damage your hearing 2018-01-13T15:48:20 < sync> I just have mine in the bathroom when it is running 2018-01-13T15:48:26 < BrainDamage> same here 2018-01-13T15:48:36 < jadew`> the bathroom is a good idea 2018-01-13T15:48:42 < jadew`> I was thinking of putting it on the balcony 2018-01-13T15:48:50 < sync> yeah why not 2018-01-13T15:49:46 < sync> also protip, you can use a lab beaker and fill it with a different solvent and put it into just regular water 2018-01-13T15:50:03 < sync> if you don't want to waste a lot of solvent/cleaning solution/whatever 2018-01-13T15:50:41 < jadew`> I'll give it a try, thanks 2018-01-13T15:56:16 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T15:57:15 < dongs> /wii lncog 2018-01-13T15:59:24 < Steffanx> My client does not have such command, what does it do? 2018-01-13T16:58:26 < jadew`> desoldering ICs from old HP boards is a pain in the ass 2018-01-13T16:58:41 < jadew`> they used to bend all the pins prior to soldering 2018-01-13T17:00:50 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T17:02:08 < jadew`> on top of that, this IC is flat on the board, so I can't put my prying tool under it 2018-01-13T17:02:22 < jadew`> and all the pins have that wider part touching the board on the other side 2018-01-13T17:02:37 < jadew`> so no mather how much the desoldering gun sucks, that shit is still going to remain connected 2018-01-13T17:08:52 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-13T17:09:02 < jadew`> it came off with the heat gun after I took most of the solder with the desoldering station 2018-01-13T17:16:06 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T17:31:28 < jadew`> fucking china, 16 minutes download for 6.6 Mb 2018-01-13T17:32:13 < Steffanx> Fucking people with no patience. 2018-01-13T17:32:24 < Steffanx> ;) 2018-01-13T17:33:23 < jadew`> I have patience, but 16 minutes for something that I could get in less than 1/10 of a second from other parts of the world is embarrassing 2018-01-13T17:35:16 < Steffanx> click download, do something else. 2018-01-13T17:35:35 < jadew`> it worked faster, took only a couple of minutes 2018-01-13T17:35:43 < jadew`> hope it's safe 2018-01-13T17:35:55 < jadew`> (the minipro software) 2018-01-13T17:37:16 -!- intart [~intart@186.6.49.117] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-13T17:37:43 < sync> I just use the hacked loonix client 2018-01-13T17:37:55 < jadew`> https://github.com/vdudouyt/minipro 2018-01-13T17:37:58 < jadew`> this one? 2018-01-13T17:40:53 < sync> looks good 2018-01-13T17:43:30 < jadew`> time for linux then 2018-01-13T17:43:34 -!- jadew` [~razvan@86.121.84.163] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-13T17:48:58 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-a9e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T17:48:58 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-a9e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-13T17:54:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-13T17:57:07 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T17:57:39 -!- esden_cloud [uid32455@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtiabqcwncvdxrcs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T18:08:46 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T18:15:01 -!- sandstorm [~sandstorm@31.145.22.154] has quit [] 2018-01-13T18:20:45 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-13T18:21:56 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T18:45:33 < tpw_rules> ldr.w r1, [r0], #4 2018-01-13T18:45:42 < tpw_rules> adds 4 to r0 after r1 = *r0, right 2018-01-13T19:01:03 < Thorn> r1 := *(r0 + 4) 2018-01-13T19:13:37 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-13T19:13:46 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T19:16:34 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@ip-37-201-4-242.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T19:22:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2018-01-13T19:29:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T19:50:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-13T20:11:45 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-13T20:12:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T20:43:49 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T20:52:37 < BrainDamage> more like https://youtu.be/NoAzpa1x7jU?t=108 2018-01-13T21:05:39 < karlp> RIP hawaii? 2018-01-13T21:05:54 < sync> no 2018-01-13T21:06:01 < BrainDamage> false alarm 2018-01-13T21:06:21 < BrainDamage> https://twitter.com/wfh1901/status/952242062304227328 2018-01-13T21:06:27 < karlp> tpw_rules: what's weired abotu seeing an l1 in a new design? 2018-01-13T21:07:19 < karlp> what are you evenn doinng tryinngn to diagnose parts based on peripheral addresses? 2018-01-13T21:14:15 < karlp> yeah, would have amde the news here if it was really wiped out by missile. 2018-01-13T21:14:18 < karlp> but fun for aa aminute 2018-01-13T21:15:34 < tpw_rules> cause i have the firmware for a thing but the thing hasn't got here yet 2018-01-13T21:16:12 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@ip-37-201-4-242.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-13T21:19:52 < aandrew> dongs: hook me up with a good china procurer who has decent engrish skill 2018-01-13T21:20:31 < aandrew> I can't find ESP32-D2WD for less than $2.94/10k, and can get entire FCC certified modules for under a buck more 2018-01-13T21:20:46 < aandrew> trying to get down to the $2 mark for the bare chip 2018-01-13T21:20:57 < aandrew> may be willing to go ROMless to get that price 2018-01-13T21:21:44 < aandrew> lol 2018-01-13T21:21:56 < aandrew> lowran I think 2018-01-13T21:22:20 < aandrew> or 433/916MHz but all are low datarate 2018-01-13T21:22:33 < aandrew> no, for low bandwidth long range I think it's lowran 2018-01-13T21:23:24 < zyp> what's the goal? 2018-01-13T21:25:49 < sync> sstv 2018-01-13T21:26:14 < aandrew> why not just go cell modem 2018-01-13T21:26:20 < aandrew> LTE modules are cheap and you can get real bandwidth 2018-01-13T21:26:24 < zyp> why not just grab some off the shelf stuff? a pair of nanobridges and a standard ip camera, for instance 2018-01-13T21:26:31 < zyp> oh, or that 2018-01-13T21:27:01 < zyp> just grab a spare phone, install a cam app, hook it to a powerbank and put it where you need to 2018-01-13T21:27:06 -!- esden_cloud [uid32455@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtiabqcwncvdxrcs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-13T21:28:17 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-13T21:28:42 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-13T21:28:58 < zyp> just an AP with a high-gain antenna 2018-01-13T21:29:13 < zyp> actually, nanobeam might be more suitable 2018-01-13T21:30:23 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-13T21:31:16 < zyp> I don't have experience with that particular model, but I've though about picking up a pair just to keep in case I need to make temporary links 2018-01-13T21:31:21 < zyp> no, I think they are sold single 2018-01-13T21:31:32 < sync> R2COM: obviously wifi is simplex 2018-01-13T21:31:46 < zyp> but still, $99 is cheap 2018-01-13T21:32:52 < zyp> when one of my friends moved a couple of years ago, to a new house, it took a couple of weeks before he got an internet line hooked up 2018-01-13T21:33:25 < zyp> but one of our other friends lived a couple of blocks away, with free line of sight, so they put up a pair of nanostations 2018-01-13T21:33:34 < zyp> got like 20Mb/s through it 2018-01-13T21:34:12 < zyp> which were plenty to get by until they got fiber 2018-01-13T21:34:37 < zyp> nah, wired ip camera should suffice 2018-01-13T22:03:19 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T22:04:01 < Rob235> hmm what are projected points in cad/fusion360 2018-01-13T22:04:12 < Rob235> some points are red :( 2018-01-13T22:51:12 -!- Activate_ [025e3761@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.97] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T22:57:45 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-13T22:58:03 < kikes> hello predators 2018-01-13T22:59:25 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] by ChanServ 2018-01-13T23:02:10 < kikes> time to pump 2018-01-13T23:34:41 < englishman> kikes: took a sauna today 2018-01-13T23:34:54 < englishman> ready to install one in the house now --- Day changed Sun Jan 14 2018 2018-01-14T00:14:39 < kikes> yes 2018-01-14T00:16:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-8-9.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T00:18:38 < kikes> there should not even be a concideration about it 2018-01-14T00:19:15 < zyp> englishman, then you can invite Steffanx and Tectu 2018-01-14T00:20:59 < kikes> I have not been in sauna for a week 2018-01-14T00:30:25 < Steffanx> and why you shouldnt be there zyp? 2018-01-14T00:30:59 < zyp> Steffanx, I didn't say I shouldn't 2018-01-14T00:31:37 < Steffanx> ok 2018-01-14T00:35:28 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-8-9.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-14T00:38:06 < upgrdman> it's official, i've gone full MAKE:R. just went to an electronics store, and all i bought was a spool of filament and a book about python. 2018-01-14T00:38:30 < kikes> mad 2018-01-14T00:38:36 < upgrdman> inorite 2018-01-14T00:39:49 < kikes> makerism 2018-01-14T00:39:56 < upgrdman> superbia, scripting blender 2018-01-14T00:39:57 < kikes> we lost him 2018-01-14T00:40:12 < Steffanx> lol, i wouldnt even know in what physical store i would find filament here.. 2018-01-14T00:41:00 < upgrdman> my local microcenter stocks PLA, ABS, PETG, HIPS and PVA. 2018-01-14T00:41:26 < upgrdman> bought a spool of PETG for when i when flexibilty for my centipede inter-segment pieces 2018-01-14T00:41:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T00:42:02 < upgrdman> my local frys stocks PLA and ABS 2018-01-14T00:43:22 < Steffanx> Played around with petg too, still doesnt go as well as PLA. 2018-01-14T00:43:42 < upgrdman> how so? 2018-01-14T00:43:56 < kikes> spectre exploit in javascript looks really not complicated 2018-01-14T00:44:08 < kikes> example is like... 5lines of codes 2018-01-14T00:44:53 < kikes> that could have been implemented in hours to web services I think 2018-01-14T00:45:14 < Steffanx> losts of stringing, sometimes bad layer adhesion upgrdman. Printing process is not exactly the same as PLA. 2018-01-14T00:45:28 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-14T00:45:50 < kikes> we use formlabs thing in work 2018-01-14T00:46:00 < kikes> * I 2018-01-14T00:48:36 < Steffanx> Fancy 2018-01-14T00:51:55 < tpw_rules> bah is anybody uncomfortably familiar with the gcc float code 2018-01-14T00:52:04 < tpw_rules> i have this firmware compiled against it and idk which functions are which 2018-01-14T01:01:43 < zyp> isn't the names kinda obvious? 2018-01-14T01:01:47 < zyp> or otherwise googleable 2018-01-14T01:07:29 < tpw_rules> there aren't any names 2018-01-14T01:07:39 < tpw_rules> i just have giant blocks of bit manip 2018-01-14T01:15:41 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redd.it/lp3ductfwvjz.jpg 2018-01-14T01:16:24 < karlp> we don't care abaout some rando on the webtubez lolrence 2018-01-14T01:19:24 < kikes> Laurenceb_, :o 2018-01-14T01:21:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-8-9.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T01:21:40 -!- Activate_ [025e3761@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-14T01:26:03 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-68-29.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T01:26:14 -!- dale6998_ [~dale6998@185.230.125.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T01:26:25 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@185.230.125.51] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T01:28:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-8-9.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-14T01:32:23 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-118-159.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T01:33:03 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-68-29.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-14T01:33:52 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-20-116.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T01:37:02 -!- dekar [~dekar@port-92-193-118-159.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T01:48:25 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-20-116.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-14T02:44:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T02:53:59 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T02:55:59 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T03:24:33 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/hyperloop/comments/7pvzec/what_year_is_the_hyperloop_expected_to_be_active/ 2018-01-14T03:24:41 < Laurenceb_> a-any t-time now surely 2018-01-14T03:25:15 < Laurenceb_> now where did I put my magic steam 2018-01-14T03:26:23 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T03:27:54 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T04:10:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T04:14:30 < Thorn> https://github.com/miloyip/nativejson-benchmark 2018-01-14T04:14:34 < Thorn> >ArduinoJson 2018-01-14T04:19:15 < stvn> you're a bunch of wires mate 2018-01-14T04:23:01 < Laurenceb_> W E W 2018-01-14T04:23:11 < Laurenceb_> two words that should never go together 2018-01-14T04:23:58 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75549.jpg 2018-01-14T04:30:36 < stvn> is this your mum Laurenceb_ ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByD8gH7kYxs 2018-01-14T04:33:11 < Kerr-A> So I'm writing startup code for my stm32f103c6t8... I have a dumb counter/loop to blink an IO pin to show the MCU is working... flash wait states directly result in that loop taking 2x (1 wait) or 3x (2 wait state) as long to complete... What is the advantage of running the mcu at a higher frequency if the flash wait states slow it right back down? 2018-01-14T04:33:11 < Kerr-A> ?? 2018-01-14T04:34:54 < Thorn> for example, faster ram -> faster dma 2018-01-14T04:35:04 < Laurenceb_> this is gunna b good 2018-01-14T04:35:32 < Laurenceb_> wait is that an actual grrrl? 2018-01-14T04:35:39 < Laurenceb_> I was waiting for the tranny 2018-01-14T04:35:43 < stvn> same 2018-01-14T04:36:10 < Kerr-A> Thought, should I set up the linker/startup code to copy flash into ram, then run code from ram for better performance? 2018-01-14T04:38:16 < Thorn> you can try, especially if CCM is available (not on f1) 2018-01-14T04:38:29 < Thorn> afaik DSP people like it 2018-01-14T04:44:47 < Laurenceb_> stvn: Milo completely REKT those SJWs on his lastest stream, you should all check it out tbh 2018-01-14T04:45:24 < Laurenceb_> tfw u wur Lanthanum @ school 2018-01-14T04:45:52 < stvn> who is milo 2018-01-14T04:47:56 < Laurenceb_> >being this new 2018-01-14T04:48:49 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Milo_Yiannopoulos 2018-01-14T04:49:22 < Laurenceb_> tl;dr -> https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75552.jpg 2018-01-14T04:49:29 < Kerr-A> oh, are there wait states on the f1 sram? 2018-01-14T04:49:56 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@185.230.125.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-14T04:50:48 < stvn> looks like a lot of reading mr.b 2018-01-14T04:52:10 < Laurenceb_> take a tactical dog https://imgoat.com/uploads/bd7939d674/75553.jpg 2018-01-14T04:58:38 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-a9e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T05:00:53 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T05:01:52 < stvn> aids 2018-01-14T05:04:25 < stvn> promoting paedophilia i guess 2018-01-14T05:05:44 < stvn> if amazon didn't sell freertos we wouldn't be talking about them today 2018-01-14T05:06:40 < Ultrasauce> it is bundled with libraries that connect to amazon services 2018-01-14T05:07:15 < Ultrasauce> anyone who wants turnkey iot?? 2018-01-14T05:10:37 < Ultrasauce> so is this the part where I read the links on that page and paraphrase for you? 2018-01-14T05:13:26 < stvn> iot enabled colostomy bag 2018-01-14T05:18:05 < Ultrasauce> that's an awfully roundabout way to say yes 2018-01-14T05:45:17 < stvn> it is a shame laurence had to leave 2018-01-14T05:46:06 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T05:46:20 < jadew> sync, the linux version worked great 2018-01-14T05:46:52 < jadew> sadly that didn't help me fix the issue, but at least I got my VNA back into working order 2018-01-14T05:47:59 < jadew> for some reason it doesn't want to save the thru calibration (when doing the system adjustment thing), but it saves the reflection calibration 2018-01-14T05:48:59 < jadew> it all started when I figured I should run the initialize EEPROM routine, in an attempt to fix this issue, and perform all the calibration afterwards 2018-01-14T05:49:59 < jadew> what that did was erase the previous thru factory calibration (which was wrong anyway) and I ended up unable to do thru measurements in the usual way (I had to use the B input instead, which was fine) 2018-01-14T05:50:42 < jadew> anyway, I managed to find another EEPROM image online and found the missing pice from mine, so I copied that guy's calibration and while the result is wrong, it's still better than what I had before 2018-01-14T06:00:13 < upgrdman> wut 2018-01-14T06:00:24 < upgrdman> ~eveyr language can do bignum 2018-01-14T06:00:25 < jadew> it has pymath 2018-01-14T06:00:35 < jadew> probably that's what you mean? 2018-01-14T06:02:09 < jadew> you can do it in C++ 2018-01-14T06:02:23 < jadew> yeah 2018-01-14T06:02:31 < jadew> boost is one 2018-01-14T06:02:49 < jadew> boost can do arbitrary precision and things like that 2018-01-14T06:03:06 < jadew> it's a collection of useful things 2018-01-14T06:03:09 < jadew> one of them is this 2018-01-14T06:04:04 < jadew> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_66_0/libs/multiprecision/doc/html/index.html 2018-01-14T06:04:59 < jadew> no, but parts of it have become part of the C++ standard 2018-01-14T06:05:19 < jadew> so, some parts of boost are part of the C++ STL now 2018-01-14T06:09:30 < jadew> "...one of the most highly regarded and expertly designed C++ library projects in the world." 2018-01-14T06:09:31 < jadew> — Herb Sutter and Andrei Alexandrescu, C++ Coding Standards 2018-01-14T06:09:42 < jadew> if Alexandrescu says it's good, it's good 2018-01-14T06:09:53 < jadew> and btw, it's mostly template based 2018-01-14T06:10:23 < jadew> also, Alexandrescu is Romanian 2018-01-14T06:10:56 < jadew> that gives him maximum credibility by itself 2018-01-14T06:51:17 < Rob235> is it ok to remove a switching psu from the metal case? 2018-01-14T06:56:28 < stvn> lol 2018-01-14T06:56:55 < stvn> why would you do that rob 2018-01-14T06:58:09 < stvn> that's on the same level of stupid as when i filled a teapot with capacitors and sent it to steffan 2018-01-14T06:59:26 < Rob235> I guess I shouldn't assume I'll always be safe :) It is to put it in another case but I guess I'll probably be opening it up frequently enough that its not worth the risk 2018-01-14T07:00:17 < stvn> the metal case is usually tapped for machine thread screws 2018-01-14T07:00:22 < stvn> why not just use that 2018-01-14T07:01:27 < Rob235> because the 3d part I'm designing came out a little too small, guess Its just late so I'm tired and getting lazy and instead of fixing what should be fixed I came up with a stupid solution. I should train myself not to make safety decisions after 9pm and definitely not after midnight 2018-01-14T07:02:07 < Rob235> I found a better way to do it with the case intact as is though so its all good now 2018-01-14T07:02:40 < stvn> just stick it together with tape lol 2018-01-14T07:03:17 < Rob235> I'm having fun learning new stuff. I'm sure its not going to 3d print as I want as Ive never printed anything before, but its fun designing it 2018-01-14T07:03:49 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/RlHYF 2018-01-14T07:03:51 < Rob235> :) 2018-01-14T07:04:11 < Rob235> the windows are for fans 2018-01-14T07:05:28 < upgrdman> o wow, there's already 400GB micro sd https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820173374 2018-01-14T07:05:46 < upgrdman> dat price tho, lol 2018-01-14T07:05:56 < Rob235> damn, thats actually cheaper than what I thought it would be 2018-01-14T07:06:26 < Rob235> actually its probably what id guess if I thought about it. I think my 128gb was $40 2018-01-14T07:07:09 < Rob235> oh but thats not microsd, thats just a flash drive, I'm gonna shut up now 2018-01-14T07:07:20 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T07:07:47 < Rob235> well the 128 is about 45 so I guess it holds 2018-01-14T07:09:46 < upgrdman> ya i guess prices isnt too bad 2018-01-14T07:09:56 < upgrdman> 512gb macro sd is only a little more 2018-01-14T07:22:38 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T07:23:16 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T07:25:40 -!- Activate_ [025e3761@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.97] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T07:30:52 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-14T07:31:15 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T07:34:35 -!- Activate_ [025e3761@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.97] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2018-01-14T07:39:52 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T07:43:50 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-14T07:43:50 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-14T07:50:49 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2018-01-14T07:51:09 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b Laurenceb_!*@*] by englishman 2018-01-14T08:07:32 < stvn> lol 2018-01-14T08:24:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T08:27:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-14T08:33:27 -!- Activate_ [025e3761@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.97] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T08:54:19 -!- Activate_ [025e3761@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.94.55.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-14T08:55:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-14T09:00:36 -!- Activate_ [d557890c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.137.12] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T09:04:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@97-94-228-39.dhcp.lncy.or.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T10:00:52 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-14T10:18:08 < stvn> the usual 2018-01-14T10:24:37 < stvn> thanks 2018-01-14T10:24:38 < stvn> later 2018-01-14T10:30:07 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T10:45:24 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bYOpvgjoUg 2018-01-14T11:04:24 -!- Activate_ [d557890c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.137.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-14T11:28:33 < Kerr-A> Thorn: Earlier I was talking about flash wait-state having a dramatic effect on performance. Turns out my loop was a worse case (two instructions, branch) abuse of the wait states. The prefetch buffer acts like a super primitive cache and grabs 128 bits of program code from flash on each read: 4-8 instructions - mitigating the lost latency when you 2018-01-14T11:28:33 < Kerr-A> aren't branching constantly. 2018-01-14T11:34:04 < Kerr-A> Ultimately I found that adding 16 counts of "mov r6, r7" to each loop, at 24MHZ (no wait states) you get ~40% of the performance of 72mhz (two wait states). Still a performance per clock hit, but only ~15% 2018-01-14T11:34:57 < Kerr-A> so, as usual, heavily branching code is bad, basically lol 2018-01-14T11:51:10 < karlp> what was your initial "loop" that you were talking about that performed so badly? 2018-01-14T12:00:23 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-bszfowglhbunovvp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-14T12:19:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-14T12:31:18 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T12:33:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T12:33:14 < stvn> i'm caught in a digital loop 2018-01-14T12:38:56 < kikes> my beard is scratchy 2018-01-14T12:39:34 < kikes> god damn.. more I scratch - more it's scratchy 2018-01-14T12:43:59 < kikes> #justbeardthings 2018-01-14T12:47:27 < stvn> why not burn it off 2018-01-14T12:51:43 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-14T13:04:04 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-14T13:08:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e5b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T13:18:41 < karlp> kaks should just go for scandi stubble. 2018-01-14T13:20:59 < karlp> that json benchmark is a bit dumb talking about code size of thebianry only, completlly ignoring library requirements 2018-01-14T13:29:16 < Tectu> hello pumpers 2018-01-14T13:30:18 < stvn> pumpers 2018-01-14T13:30:51 < Thorn> In 2008, Kendall Castor-Perry began an extended investigation into the effect that bypass capacitor selection has on analog circuit performance. 2018-01-14T13:31:48 < Tectu> is that his Tinder profile description? 2018-01-14T13:31:54 < stvn> lol 2018-01-14T13:32:45 < stvn> http://www.electronicdesign.com/sites/electronicdesign.com/files/styles/non_feat_user_profile_standard/public/uploads/2016/08/kendallcastorperryweb.jpg 2018-01-14T13:33:13 < Tectu> swipe left 2018-01-14T13:36:43 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-14T13:40:45 < karlp> is left the "want" or the "do not want" direction? 2018-01-14T13:55:52 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-14T13:57:34 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T14:05:08 < Thorn> https://forums.xilinx.com/t5/Xcell-Daily-Blog/Xilinx-announces-RFSoC-with-4Gsamples-sec-ADCs-and-6-4Gsamples/ba-p/750255 2018-01-14T14:53:32 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@50.37.247.66] has quit [Quit: A fine is a tax for doing wrong. 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In the address settings it has a drop down for the "City", but the village i live in isnt in the list and it has no option to enter it manually -_- 2018-01-14T18:34:18 < PaulFertser> village != city ;) 2018-01-14T18:44:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T19:08:00 < zyp> haha 2018-01-14T19:11:43 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-56-31.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T19:11:47 < branjb> anyone able to recommend any good C++ books 2018-01-14T19:12:26 < branjb> haha shit, I have that book but 4-5 editions old 2018-01-14T19:12:50 < branjb> I need to learn shit about polymemism inheritence implementation blahblah 2018-01-14T19:12:58 < branjb> know the basics but not that well 2018-01-14T19:13:33 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@port-92-193-31-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T19:15:07 < PaulFertser> branjb: how about http://www.stroustrup.com/programming.html ? 2018-01-14T19:16:22 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@port-92-193-56-31.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-14T19:19:49 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, i know. but village == city in this case 2018-01-14T19:20:19 < Steffanx> a city is something with "city rights". :P 2018-01-14T19:21:19 < Steffanx> They list the municipalities/townships for some reason 2018-01-14T19:24:32 < Steffanx> Agreed. 2018-01-14T19:25:53 < Steffanx> Wont help. As municipalities/townships tend to be named differently than any city that belongs to that region. 2018-01-14T19:26:14 < Steffanx> In short: They fucked up. 2018-01-14T19:26:37 < BrainDamage> if you think that's stupid, while i was in canada, for an accident insurance i was forced to put a 'state/province' dropdown where the options were only canadian or american 2018-01-14T19:26:54 < BrainDamage> after i put nationality being italian ofc 2018-01-14T19:27:24 < BrainDamage> that's up to the operator that digitalizes it 2018-01-14T19:29:25 < Steffanx> Fixed it by setting the State to "other" then it will change the drown down to a text box.. -_- State is less important that City anyway. 2018-01-14T19:29:25 < Ultrasauce> not for being one? 2018-01-14T19:30:55 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@port-92-193-31-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-14T19:31:19 < Ultrasauce> it's quite simple, first the operator sends chanserv the op command 2018-01-14T19:31:22 < Ultrasauce> then sets mode +b 2018-01-14T19:31:26 < Steffanx> <3 2018-01-14T19:31:37 < Ultrasauce> would you like a demonstration? 2018-01-14T19:31:58 < Steffanx> I think some operator of ##stm32 is going to do that too. 2018 will be the year of the bans. 2018-01-14T19:32:27 < Ultrasauce> sounds like a convenient excuse to be rid of an individual who may or may not have exhibited a pattern of abrasiveness 2018-01-14T19:32:46 < BrainDamage> i was about to mention the same 2018-01-14T19:33:25 < Steffanx> lol than its a real achievement. 2018-01-14T19:34:11 < BrainDamage> you're taking too many assumptions 2018-01-14T19:34:26 < Steffanx> You were just unlucky the OP in question just joined the channel i guess R2COM. 2018-01-14T19:34:43 < Steffanx> I was a witness of the happening. 2018-01-14T19:36:13 < Ultrasauce> does +b hurt you? its just a command sent to the server 2018-01-14T19:36:22 < Ultrasauce> you have no reason to find it offensive 2018-01-14T19:36:48 < ohsix> Like City Lights, Receding: 2018-01-14T19:36:48 < ohsix> ANSi Artwork and the Digital 2018-01-14T19:36:48 < ohsix> Underground, 1985-2000 2018-01-14T19:36:51 < ohsix> fgagj 2018-01-14T19:36:55 < ohsix> https://spectrum.library.concordia.ca/7341/1/Hargadon_MA_S2011.pdf 2018-01-14T19:36:57 < Ultrasauce> you are no fun to be direct to 2018-01-14T19:37:43 < Ultrasauce> it's not hatred, i am smiling so hard my face hurts right now 2018-01-14T19:38:59 < Steffanx> I see how R2COM is anti-gay, he is easily butt hurt. :P 2018-01-14T19:41:16 < ohsix> i don't see r2com at all, how about that 2018-01-14T19:41:46 < Steffanx> i wonder if he sees you mr ohsix 2018-01-14T19:41:55 < Ultrasauce> are you an internet solipsist ohsix 2018-01-14T19:43:08 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T19:43:53 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce found his proper vocabulary back. <3 2018-01-14T19:44:15 < kikes> hello predator 2018-01-14T19:45:22 < kikes> no 2018-01-14T19:45:25 < kikes> unless someone said me a faggot 2018-01-14T19:45:44 < kikes> what is this information used for? 2018-01-14T19:45:49 < Steffanx> Just take the useless discussion to the one who banned you R2COM 2018-01-14T19:46:03 < Ultrasauce> I'm sure you can sweet talk him into being in the clear 2018-01-14T19:46:06 < kikes> I'm in a train 2018-01-14T19:46:11 < kikes> choo choo 2018-01-14T19:46:20 < Ultrasauce> just the tip 2018-01-14T19:46:22 < kikes> really nice 2018-01-14T19:47:15 < kikes> yes 2018-01-14T19:47:27 < kikes> but on track that can support speeds of 140kmh 2018-01-14T19:47:38 < kikes> some parts like 100kmh 2018-01-14T19:47:52 < kikes> and maybe somewhere there is 160kmh sections 2018-01-14T19:48:35 < kikes> I think these trains can do something like +250 but not 300 2018-01-14T19:48:55 < kikes> and in the winter tilting motors and shiet do not work 2018-01-14T19:49:10 < kikes> so they need to compensate speed down 2018-01-14T19:51:38 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T19:54:26 < kikes> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendolino st.petersburg - helsinki is 220kmh and some operator in states does 290kmh 2018-01-14T19:54:40 < kikes> in germany some 250kmh sections or so 2018-01-14T19:55:08 < BrainDamage> we have 360km/h trains 2018-01-14T19:55:17 < BrainDamage> literally the fastest train the world currently 2018-01-14T19:55:29 < kikes> german trains? 2018-01-14T19:55:36 < BrainDamage> no, italian ones 2018-01-14T19:55:40 < BrainDamage> ETR 1000 2018-01-14T19:56:40 < kikes> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frecciarossa_1000#/media/File:Elettrotreno_ETR.400.jpg it looks fantastic 2018-01-14T19:59:34 < sync> those pieces of shit BrainDamage 2018-01-14T19:59:52 < BrainDamage> they are still fast pieces of shit 2018-01-14T19:59:52 < sync> didn't italy have huge issues with their older newer bombardier trains 2018-01-14T19:59:58 < sync> rusting from the get go 2018-01-14T20:00:15 < BrainDamage> yes, but those were commuter trains 2018-01-14T20:00:22 < BrainDamage> the commuting trains are left to rot 2018-01-14T20:02:30 < BrainDamage> R2COM: yes, maglev are faster 2018-01-14T20:02:42 < BrainDamage> i should've specified rail trains 2018-01-14T20:04:19 < BrainDamage> peak speed is unimportant, what you care is commercial track speed 2018-01-14T20:04:23 < kikes> maglevs are a way faster 2018-01-14T20:04:42 < BrainDamage> iirc the maglev tracks run at ~500 currently 2018-01-14T20:04:45 < kikes> maglevs are super expensive to operate 2018-01-14T20:05:15 < kikes> test runs for sure are like.. how fast do you want to go? 2018-01-14T20:05:19 < kikes> in maglevs 2018-01-14T20:06:21 < kikes> if you go too fast and something goes.. youre pretty dead 2018-01-14T20:06:53 < kikes> damn maglevs are ugli 2018-01-14T20:07:17 < kikes> that "nose" is like 10meters long 2018-01-14T20:09:21 < kikes> but if you push it? 2018-01-14T20:09:49 < kikes> it is 2018-01-14T20:09:56 < kikes> yes 2018-01-14T20:10:19 < kikes> when you park it after the day it slowly sets down 2018-01-14T20:10:20 < BrainDamage> ah, i am mistaken, the maglev i was looking is not operational 2018-01-14T20:10:41 < BrainDamage> i was actually correct, the ETR1000 is the fastest commercial train available currently 2018-01-14T20:10:43 < kikes> maybe at station it might also slowly demagnetize 2018-01-14T20:10:54 < kikes> but when it's japan - nah 2018-01-14T20:11:15 < kikes> train stops for exactly 1minute or so 2018-01-14T20:12:22 < kikes> I think they do a little under 500kmh in japan 2018-01-14T20:12:35 < BrainDamage> those are not operational 2018-01-14T20:12:42 < BrainDamage> planned for 2027 2018-01-14T20:14:11 < kikes> shangai maglev 2018-01-14T20:14:19 < kikes> 430kmh operational maximum 2018-01-14T20:14:30 < kikes> *shanghai 2018-01-14T20:15:09 < kikes> 501kmh speed test record 2018-01-14T20:16:22 < BrainDamage> noice, weird that they have different speeds based on the time of the day 2018-01-14T20:16:36 < zyp> IIRC japanese one was running at 570 km/h on the test section they built 2018-01-14T20:17:11 < BrainDamage> 603 according to the previous article 2018-01-14T20:17:22 < kikes> yes 2018-01-14T20:18:44 < zyp> I tried some slow local maglev thing in japan once 2018-01-14T20:18:57 < zyp> it was basically like riding a monorail, except it was maglev 2018-01-14T20:19:16 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linimo <- this shit 2018-01-14T20:20:21 < kikes> 100kmh 2018-01-14T20:20:28 < kikes> why 2018-01-14T20:20:32 < kikes> to bother 2018-01-14T20:20:56 < zyp> yeah, there's really no benefit of it being maglev 2018-01-14T20:21:15 < zyp> R2COM, ahead? 2018-01-14T20:22:02 < kikes> it takes like kilometers to stop 2018-01-14T20:22:07 < kikes> interestings 2018-01-14T20:22:54 < kikes> yes 2018-01-14T20:23:00 < kikes> just IOT it 2018-01-14T20:23:02 < zyp> well, considering the entire track is full of active electronics, I don't think that's a problem 2018-01-14T20:23:21 < kikes> amount of copper is the problem 2018-01-14T20:23:26 < BrainDamage> here there's laws that require tunnels to have escape routes every x distance based off the train size, etc, and it'd have prohibitive cost for the high speed line, so they added some insane braking system that will basically smash your face into the front seat in the case of an emergency in order to put them farther apart 2018-01-14T20:24:01 < kikes> there must be like.. tens of thousands kilograms or hundreds of thousands kilograms of copper per 1km 2018-01-14T20:24:26 < BrainDamage> here rail sensors are both cabled and interconnected with a weird gsm system 2018-01-14T20:24:35 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM-R 2018-01-14T20:25:22 < kikes> I don't think they would use that for maglev 2018-01-14T20:25:41 < kikes> or would they? 2018-01-14T20:27:59 < kikes> I bet they have some sort of ethernet wired all way of the track 2018-01-14T20:28:15 < kikes> and some custom comms to train 2018-01-14T20:31:23 < kikes> in emergency they can shout down track and train will have no propulsion but will levitate to stop? 2018-01-14T20:31:36 < kikes> and probably they will shut down the track 2018-01-14T20:32:43 < kikes> I imagine train could induce current in track section if magnet circuits were shorted after cut of power 2018-01-14T20:34:13 < kikes> okay now there is like 6 persons in the train left 2018-01-14T20:34:39 < kikes> me included 2018-01-14T20:35:02 < kikes> from this to end station it's 3,5hours 2018-01-14T21:12:30 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T21:17:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-14T21:19:26 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-14T21:19:50 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T21:42:02 < kikes> I need 4ch digital oscillosscope 2018-01-14T21:42:15 < kikes> no high BW required 2018-01-14T21:42:33 < kikes> there needs to be at least option for additional digital channels 2018-01-14T21:43:25 < kikes> that can be shown at the view with analog channels at the same time 2018-01-14T21:43:51 < kikes> decoders need to be at least an optional feature 2018-01-14T21:44:16 < kikes> and it needs not to be expensive one 2018-01-14T21:44:29 < kikes> entry level so such does 2018-01-14T21:45:43 < kikes> is DS1054 still the shit? 2018-01-14T21:46:01 < aandrew> kikes: I got a hantek mso5074fg 2018-01-14T21:46:10 < aandrew> has shitty LA and shitty freq gen 2018-01-14T21:46:25 < kikes> how shitty LA? 2018-01-14T21:46:46 < aandrew> it shows on the screen but there is no way to skew the analog+digital so they are perfectly aligned 2018-01-14T21:47:03 < aandrew> I've not used it for any serious purpose 2018-01-14T21:47:19 < kikes> okay it's not what I'm looking for then 2018-01-14T21:47:35 < kikes> analog + digital need to be aligned 2018-01-14T21:53:26 < kikes> what do you think of MSO1000 series? 2018-01-14T21:54:04 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-14T21:56:19 < kikes> drunk couple :/ 2018-01-14T21:56:31 < kikes> in my passenger car 2018-01-14T21:56:34 < kikes> why 2018-01-14T21:56:46 < kikes> there is another car 2018-01-14T21:58:14 < BrainDamage> offer them a threesome 2018-01-14T22:00:12 < Tectu> did somebody say 'threesome'? 2018-01-14T22:00:24 < kikes> Tectu has been activated 2018-01-14T22:01:05 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:ec0b:8a75:1624:9b3a] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T22:02:51 < Steffanx> *triggered 2018-01-14T22:05:19 < kikes> highlight threesome 2018-01-14T22:08:50 < BrainDamage> beakmir: https://ptpb.pw/6KJS.mp4 2018-01-14T22:09:13 < BrainDamage> so you can pretend your trip is faster 2018-01-14T22:23:03 < kikes> left the passenger car and went to another 2018-01-14T22:27:16 < kikes> best choise 2018-01-14T22:28:00 < kikes> I need esd toolkit 2018-01-14T22:28:04 < kikes> like everything 2018-01-14T22:28:25 < kikes> tweezers pliers screw drivers 2018-01-14T22:28:32 < kikes> do you know any to recommend? 2018-01-14T22:28:52 < kikes> that is not like 2k for few tools 2018-01-14T22:33:30 < kikes> it's lobourous to collect all the seperate tools 2018-01-14T22:45:23 < kikes> http://www.proskit.com/tool-kits/esd-safe/esd-precision-tool-kit what do you think of pro's kit brand tools? 2018-01-14T22:56:05 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:ec0b:8a75:1624:9b3a] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-14T23:00:33 < kikes> what is that -S suffix version in rigol mso1104z 2018-01-14T23:00:38 < kikes> compared to without -S 2018-01-14T23:01:52 < Steffanx> wave generator added 2018-01-14T23:01:58 < Steffanx> 2ch 2018-01-14T23:02:29 < kikes> how good? 2018-01-14T23:02:42 < Steffanx> idc 2018-01-14T23:02:44 < Steffanx> *k 2018-01-14T23:03:11 < Steffanx> https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rigol-MSO1104Z-S.html 2018-01-14T23:03:48 < Steffanx> kikes wants to spend his munny fast/ 2018-01-14T23:05:19 < kikes> this is for works 2018-01-14T23:10:25 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-14T23:19:15 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-14T23:59:40 -!- qwebirc59375 [5f585915@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.88.89.21] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Mon Jan 15 2018 2018-01-15T00:06:30 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyc-r5t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T00:19:41 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDLJUoSYNT4 music times 2018-01-15T00:22:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e5b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-15T00:24:58 < kikes> recommend I good pcb holder arm thingy 2018-01-15T00:25:06 < kikes> not that shitty 2penny one 2018-01-15T00:27:10 < kikes> I have that "phone motherboard holder" thing too 2018-01-15T00:27:12 < kikes> it's good 2018-01-15T00:27:48 < Steffanx> Are you the only EE there kikes ? 2018-01-15T00:27:57 < kikes> yes.. 2018-01-15T00:28:53 < kikes> it's not ideal 2018-01-15T00:28:55 < Steffanx> Aha 2018-01-15T00:29:01 < Steffanx> Startup? 2018-01-15T00:29:10 < kikes> no 2018-01-15T00:29:58 < kikes> they have EE done in china and need someone to dedicate to work on EE this side too so that some things can be solved 2018-01-15T00:30:06 < kikes> simple things 2018-01-15T00:30:41 < Steffanx> Aha, you can also learn from simple things 2018-01-15T00:30:58 < Steffanx> And probably a nice way to get up and running 2018-01-15T00:31:05 < kikes> it's interesting 2018-01-15T00:32:18 < kikes> I have done some design work for now and checked some products that has issues 2018-01-15T00:32:33 < Steffanx> Better show them you are better than the chinese :P 2018-01-15T00:32:39 < kikes> better 2018-01-15T00:32:55 < Steffanx> Better yes 2018-01-15T00:33:02 < kikes> better 2018-01-15T00:33:22 < kikes> it will not be easy 2018-01-15T00:33:39 < kikes> they have their shiet running full steam there 2018-01-15T00:35:23 < kikes> army of engineers 2018-01-15T00:36:50 < kikes> Steffanx, place your bet if I pull it off 2018-01-15T00:38:24 < Steffanx> Hah, no. 2018-01-15T00:39:06 < kikes> is that your answer to place a bet or your answer if I pull it off? 2018-01-15T00:40:41 < Steffanx> I wont bet 2018-01-15T00:46:21 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAPLbwh9CEk music times 2018-01-15T01:12:53 < kikes> doing a little work before going to sleep so I have something to show tommorrow 2018-01-15T01:18:48 < fest> kikes: panavise is good if work is paying for it 2018-01-15T01:19:54 < kikes> looks sweet 2018-01-15T01:20:27 < fest> hmm, actually not that expensive 2018-01-15T01:20:47 < fest> I have used this one specifically: https://www.panavise.com/index.html?pageID=1&page=full&--eqskudatarq=1 2018-01-15T01:20:48 < kikes> but looking maybe something to hold hacks together and from shorting 2018-01-15T01:21:15 < kikes> that looks nice 2018-01-15T01:28:40 < kikes> jaws are nonconductive? 2018-01-15T01:28:44 < kikes> GF nylon? 2018-01-15T01:30:27 < kikes> I write rigol mso and farnell opens page for tektronix 2018-01-15T01:58:09 < kikes> peppersmakt snus 2018-01-15T02:17:20 < kikes> anyone pumpin? 2018-01-15T02:22:15 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T02:23:57 < dale6998> hey, if i've got an array with some, say, 16 bit ints and i want to send them to have some work done on them with an 8 bit peripheral, like USART, or I2C or something that only accepts 8 bit bytes at a time, can i do some dishonest stuff with pointer type-casting? 2018-01-15T02:26:28 < kikes> ye 2018-01-15T02:26:34 -!- qwebirc59375 [5f585915@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.88.89.21] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2018-01-15T02:26:45 < kikes> remember bit order and endian stuff 2018-01-15T02:28:47 < kikes> dale6998, show example code how you are planning to do it? 2018-01-15T02:45:43 < dale6998> ok, hang on 2018-01-15T02:46:12 < kikes> I go sleep 2018-01-15T02:46:42 < kikes> but pastebin it here and ask stm32 official approval 2018-01-15T02:46:53 < kikes> *ask for 2018-01-15T02:49:24 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-15T02:50:40 < dale6998> https://pastebin.com/6vZGyBxb 2018-01-15T02:50:49 < dale6998> stm32 offical approval? 2018-01-15T02:53:36 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T03:02:29 < kikes> ;) 2018-01-15T03:07:24 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-15T03:16:40 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T03:18:02 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T03:18:38 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T04:33:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T04:40:07 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-120-58.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T05:19:56 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@imcool.fyi] has quit [Quit: byeeee] 2018-01-15T05:28:29 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@li1059-135.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T05:29:22 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@li1059-135.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-15T05:29:47 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@li1059-135.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T05:30:44 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@li1059-135.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-15T05:31:39 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@li1059-135.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T06:54:18 <@englishman> As they swayed back and forth, the iPads affixed to their chests all read “Sign into Chrome.” 2018-01-15T07:01:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T07:02:34 < jadew> is anyone here cutting PCBs that are not v-scored? 2018-01-15T07:04:22 < jadew> with the 10x10 cm boards being so cheap these days, it would make sense to fit 2 boards on the same 10x10 surface if the design is only 5 cm wide for example 2018-01-15T07:04:48 < jadew> I want to make even smaller ones, but I don't know what to cut them with 2018-01-15T07:07:16 <@englishman> if you're ordering from garbage chinafab just pay whatever $1 for 10 and be happy 2018-01-15T07:07:30 < jadew> but I want to pay $1 for 50 2018-01-15T07:07:41 <@englishman> paying some poor fuck to run your boards thru a scorer isn't worth it 2018-01-15T07:08:03 <@englishman> then etch some fr4 in your kitchen 2018-01-15T07:08:34 < jadew> that would work too, I but I would still have to cut them 2018-01-15T07:08:46 < jadew> I want to make some boards for exepriments 2018-01-15T07:08:56 < jadew> the more I have, the better 2018-01-15T07:09:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-15T07:16:04 < anonnumberanon> Anybody with experience with FreeRtos? 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Generated code with CubeMX but it won't work. On the scope I only can see signals tied to ground when I attempt to write on I2C. Chip is STM32F417 2018-01-15T10:23:07 < TohKar> After the write operation the signals stay low. On PCB side, pullup resistors are installed (4.7k) 2018-01-15T10:27:00 < zyp> did you remember to configure the gpio pins to the correct AF? 2018-01-15T10:27:06 < zyp> and also opendrain mode 2018-01-15T10:32:53 < TohKar> Yes, they are configured. GPIO is initialized in the HAL_I2C_MspInint: https://pastebin.com/Cc64rNuv 2018-01-15T10:35:33 < TohKar> as well as a __HAL_RCc_GPIOH_CLK_ENABLE(); in MX_GPIO_Init 2018-01-15T10:40:32 < TohKar> The signals also stay low after the transfer attempt 2018-01-15T10:44:18 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T10:47:53 < zyp> did you turn on GPIOH clock before configuring the pins? 2018-01-15T10:48:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T10:49:04 < TohKar> Yes, I do HAL_init(), then MX_GPIO_Init(), then MX_I2_Init() 2018-01-15T10:51:25 < zyp> where's the code that enables GPIOH then? 2018-01-15T10:51:31 < zyp> it was not in your paste 2018-01-15T10:52:35 < TohKar> yes, i forgot.. 2018-01-15T10:52:58 < zyp> can you do a new paste with everything? 2018-01-15T10:53:20 < TohKar> I'll try 2018-01-15T10:54:52 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-15T11:08:13 < TohKar> @zyp https://pastebin.com/KUGB1Zrz 2018-01-15T11:08:19 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T11:11:29 < zyp> I don't see HAL_I2C_MspInit() getting called anywhere 2018-01-15T11:13:41 < TohKar> it is called from HAL_I2C_Init inside MX_I2C3_Init. HAL_I2C_Init is inside stm32f4xx_hal_i2c 2018-01-15T11:15:58 < zyp> okay, then I'll just have to take your word for that 2018-01-15T11:16:11 < zyp> anyway 2018-01-15T11:16:35 < zyp> instead of digging through the source, the next step I would do is look at the GPIOH registers through the debugger 2018-01-15T11:16:49 < zyp> just to confirm that they are actually configured like they should be 2018-01-15T11:16:54 < TohKar> okay 2018-01-15T11:17:21 < zyp> just to rule out any issues there 2018-01-15T11:17:25 < TohKar> How to do this actually? I am using atollic studio 2018-01-15T11:17:40 < zyp> I don't know, I'm not familiar with atollic studio 2018-01-15T11:18:32 < TohKar> okay, let me look it up. Otherwise, is there an easy way for debugging? 2018-01-15T11:19:33 < zyp> easy is subjective 2018-01-15T11:19:51 < TohKar> ;) 2018-01-15T11:20:01 < zyp> to me it's easy to just fire up gdb and poke around at the registers, but I'm not sure it's very easy if you have never used gdb before 2018-01-15T11:20:25 < zyp> and it relies on having symbols for the registers, which I'm not sure your code generates 2018-01-15T11:20:32 < TohKar> would need to wait for the new version of atollic in order to get the pro version functions 2018-01-15T11:23:10 < TohKar> but atollic gives me register states from the code. Not the same as a true debuggin though 2018-01-15T11:26:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-15T11:26:46 < TohKar> GPIOH has following properties: MODER: 0x40021c00, OTYPER: 0x40021c04, OSPEEDR: 0x40021c08, PUPDR: 0x40021c0c, IDR: 0x40021c10, ODR: 0x40021c14, BSRR: 0x40021c18, LCKR: 0x40021c1c, AFRL: 0x40021c20 2018-01-15T11:27:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T11:32:36 < TohKar> A HAL_I2C_Is_DeviceReady give me a "HAL_TIMEOUT" (0x03) 2018-01-15T11:45:31 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-15T11:46:54 < zyp> TohKar, that looks like register addresses, not register contents 2018-01-15T11:48:30 < TohKar> oh that makes sense it is so successive -.- 2018-01-15T11:48:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T11:49:30 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-15T11:49:52 < TohKar> but somehow the SFR panel doesnt show any value of the register. Maybe I need to do something to make it work 2018-01-15T11:50:03 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T11:51:54 < karlp> anonnumberanon: try asking an actual question :) 2018-01-15T11:54:52 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-15T11:55:14 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T11:59:36 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-15T12:15:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-15T12:20:59 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-15T12:49:02 -!- tomeaton17 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-15T12:50:21 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T12:50:22 < Laurenceb> is dat some i2c? 2018-01-15T12:50:33 < Laurenceb> >tries to use i2c 2018-01-15T12:50:37 < Laurenceb> >timeout failure 2018-01-15T12:50:42 < Laurenceb> sounds about right 2018-01-15T12:50:56 < TohKar> yes, it is I2C 2018-01-15T12:51:31 < TohKar> The pins dont do anything and after init, the state is timeout 2018-01-15T12:52:12 < TohKar> dont know what to do next @Laurenceb 2018-01-15T12:52:23 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T12:52:50 < Laurenceb> did you init to AFIO? 2018-01-15T12:54:05 < Laurenceb> *the 2018-01-15T12:57:26 < zyp> f4 doesn't have AVIO 2018-01-15T12:57:28 < zyp> AFIO 2018-01-15T12:58:52 < jpa-> wut? 2018-01-15T12:59:43 < zyp> jpa-, me? 2018-01-15T13:00:09 < jpa-> ah yeah, AFIO the peripheral as in F103, not AFIO the register 2018-01-15T13:00:15 < zyp> yes 2018-01-15T13:00:52 < zyp> the old GPIO block in f1 had AF mappings controlled by a separate AFIO block with its own RCC enable 2018-01-15T13:01:07 < jpa-> i had happily forgotten about AFIO peripheral :P 2018-01-15T13:01:10 < zyp> in the new GPIO block in all newer families, AF mappings are controlled by the GPIO blocks themselves 2018-01-15T13:02:19 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T13:03:06 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T13:05:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-15T13:05:13 < kikes> I need a recording multimeter 2018-01-15T13:06:21 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Excalibur 2018-01-15T13:06:32 < Laurenceb> > the original Diablo Hawk test being "an organic pith material" from a weed growing on a vacant lot in Walnut Creek 2018-01-15T13:06:34 < Laurenceb> wut 2018-01-15T13:07:12 < kikes> Laurenceb, multimeter with recording functionality 2018-01-15T13:08:42 < kikes> I wonder if I could use some small pocketsize oscilloscope to record voltage levels from multiple sensors for like an hour 2018-01-15T13:08:51 < kikes> 1sample / second or more per channel 2018-01-15T13:10:06 < kikes> I need something for field tests 2018-01-15T13:10:11 < kikes> cheap and everything 2018-01-15T13:11:04 < kikes> probs not a good idea to buy a fluke or metrahit with recorder functionality and then lose it in the forrest 2018-01-15T13:21:05 < Steffanx> Just dont lose it... 2018-01-15T13:27:22 < jpa-> kikes: stm32 discovery and suitable piece of code? 2018-01-15T13:28:00 < Steffanx> Would you do that if your boss allowed you to buy something jpa- ? 2018-01-15T13:28:11 < jpa-> kikes has a boss now? 2018-01-15T13:28:16 < Steffanx> Yes Sir. 2018-01-15T13:28:20 < jpa-> zomg 2018-01-15T13:29:10 < Steffanx> Hows your boss nowadays jpa- ? 2018-01-15T13:29:25 < jpa-> which one of those? 2018-01-15T13:29:38 < Steffanx> You. :P 2018-01-15T13:30:00 < jpa-> ah.. that guy is such a wimp that he can't boss me around at all 2018-01-15T13:30:24 < Steffanx> Unless you have this kid like in "The boss baby" 2018-01-15T13:31:00 < jpa-> kid, clients, wife, etc; plenty of people to demand things :P 2018-01-15T13:32:14 < PaulFertser> is dso quad not capable of that kikes? 2018-01-15T13:32:51 < jpa-> it only has 8-bit ADC though 2018-01-15T13:33:15 < jpa-> and not cheap :P 2018-01-15T13:33:21 < kikes> it's cheap 2018-01-15T13:33:37 < jpa-> well if $200 is cheap, why not buy a premade voltage logger? :P 2018-01-15T13:33:45 < kikes> lemme see 2018-01-15T13:35:27 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T13:37:03 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/finlandConspiracy/ 2018-01-15T13:37:09 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T13:37:54 < kikes> Laurenceb, repost in the evening 2018-01-15T13:38:09 < Steffanx> You want a hand held thing or is usb and a laptop also acceptable ? 2018-01-15T13:38:28 < jpa-> https://www.ebay.com/itm/dc-0-30v-voltage-data-logger-professional-with-led-alarm-and-usb-2-0-interface/322960493543?epid=1683551645&hash=item4b31f20be7:m:m_EZaULlpyRFSBg84qQg-Rw 2018-01-15T13:38:38 < jpa-> it has leds and everything 2018-01-15T13:38:56 < Steffanx> Otherwise cheaper dmms might suffice. Some come with a serialish porg 2018-01-15T13:38:57 < Steffanx> Port 2018-01-15T13:46:38 < kikes> Steffanx, something small 2018-01-15T13:46:54 < kikes> it will be connected to prototype on the field 2018-01-15T13:47:09 < kikes> and it's action - sports of some sorts 2018-01-15T13:48:53 < jpa-> piece of code on a ruuvitag? :P 2018-01-15T13:50:50 < kikes> if there is ready made code for it 2018-01-15T13:51:30 < kikes> at work it's literally cheaper to buy stuff that work right out of the box than pay someone to codez it 2018-01-15T13:51:36 < jpa-> true 2018-01-15T13:52:07 < jpa-> but that's only true if you actually find stuff that works right out of the box 2018-01-15T13:52:25 < jpa-> usually you just get a fancy box with promises printed on it and still need to spend time to get it working 2018-01-15T13:54:19 < kikes> yes 2018-01-15T13:57:24 < PaulFertser> That ebay logger is likely to be the kind of a fancy box that's hard to get work right. 2018-01-15T13:58:02 < srk> dongs: https://internetofdon.gs/ 2018-01-15T14:02:11 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T14:11:45 < kikes> PaulFertser, probs requires win xp 2018-01-15T14:15:12 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T14:16:35 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-15T14:17:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T14:18:16 < TohKar> Anybody experience with I2C code generated with CubeMX? Can't make it work 2018-01-15T14:18:24 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor 2018-01-15T14:18:34 < Laurenceb> wew, or should I say, Wu 2018-01-15T14:18:37 < kikes> anyone have ds203? jpa- ? 2018-01-15T14:19:26 < kikes> what is the slowest samples/ch recording it can make? 2018-01-15T14:20:35 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T14:21:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T14:22:33 < jpa-> kikes: it doesn't have any premade data logger app 2018-01-15T14:22:47 < kikes> oh 2018-01-15T14:22:51 < kikes> good to know 2018-01-15T14:23:08 < kikes> so 1ksample per second it is 2018-01-15T14:26:02 -!- tomeaton17_ [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T14:28:20 -!- tomeaton17_ is now known as tomeaton17 2018-01-15T14:32:02 < kikes> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger literally first result in google for stm32 data logger 2018-01-15T14:32:50 < Laurenceb> epin win 2018-01-15T14:33:00 < PaulFertser> With duckduckgo too 2018-01-15T14:33:28 < kikes> Laurenceb, you will help me to make your code work 2018-01-15T14:34:04 < kikes> how easy it is to record some ADC with it? 2018-01-15T14:34:07 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@2a01:4f8:c0c:3205::2] has quit [Quit: *] 2018-01-15T14:35:04 < Laurenceb> yeah 2018-01-15T14:35:20 < Laurenceb> I have that one my hdd 2018-01-15T14:35:22 < Laurenceb> ...somewhere 2018-01-15T14:35:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-15T14:35:34 < kikes> howe old it is? 2018-01-15T14:35:41 < Laurenceb> 2016 or so 2018-01-15T14:35:43 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@2a01:4f8:c0c:3205::2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T14:35:49 < Laurenceb> for logging rocket thrust stands 2018-01-15T14:35:56 < kikes> perfect 2018-01-15T14:36:04 < kikes> did you use ADCs? 2018-01-15T14:36:17 < kikes> how much there is to configure in your codes? 2018-01-15T14:36:33 < Laurenceb> there is adc code there 2018-01-15T14:36:54 < kikes> do you recommend your software? 2018-01-15T14:38:13 < Laurenceb> https://filebin.ca/3oHY7BmKDBOK/Logger_Stand.tar.gz 2018-01-15T14:38:16 < Laurenceb> there u go 2018-01-15T14:45:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T14:47:11 < kikes> Laurenceb, can I use it in some disco? 2018-01-15T14:47:18 < kikes> what disco would you recommend? 2018-01-15T14:56:45 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-15T14:59:32 < Laurenceb> hmmm 2018-01-15T14:59:36 < Laurenceb> this is for F103 2018-01-15T14:59:45 < Laurenceb> I used a custom board 2018-01-15T15:02:12 < kikes> can it be directly thown at some disco? 2018-01-15T15:02:26 < Laurenceb> if you have an f103, then probably 2018-01-15T15:07:41 < kikes> I have some boards home 2018-01-15T15:08:10 < kikes> maybe I should look some multimeter options too 2018-01-15T15:08:15 < kikes> any recommendations? 2018-01-15T15:15:20 < Laurenceb> oh I know 2018-01-15T15:15:29 < Laurenceb> there is an olimex board with f103 and usd 2018-01-15T15:15:44 < Laurenceb> olimexduino or something 2018-01-15T15:15:47 < Laurenceb> dont laugh 2018-01-15T15:16:34 < kikes> I heave the cheapest ebay board with soldering pads for sd card 2018-01-15T15:17:48 < Laurenceb> woah https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A64/A64-OLinuXino/open-source-hardware 2018-01-15T15:18:05 < Laurenceb> wonder if it has any drivers at all.... 2018-01-15T15:18:34 < zyp> isn't allwinner fairly well supported by upstream? 2018-01-15T15:19:08 < zyp> the orange pi shit I bought seems decent enough, except the one with the shitty weird wifi chip 2018-01-15T15:19:59 < PaulFertser> BananaPi runs upstream Debian out of the box; wifi works too after adding firmware. 2018-01-15T15:20:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/STM32/OLIMEXINO-STM32/open-source-hardware 2018-01-15T15:20:17 < Laurenceb> ^kikes 2018-01-15T15:20:36 < Laurenceb> I used that to prototype 2018-01-15T15:23:43 < Laurenceb> lol female MGTOW https://imgoat.com/uploads/8dd2c7955c/76224.png 2018-01-15T15:24:56 < kikes> Laurenceb, can that board even charge lipo? 2018-01-15T15:25:05 < Laurenceb> kikes: I think so 2018-01-15T15:25:16 < Laurenceb> its a bit goofy, but less so than BBB... 2018-01-15T15:25:36 < Laurenceb> but yeah I made a custom board so I could have a datalogger that actually worked 2018-01-15T15:25:56 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T15:27:57 < Laurenceb> lul literally reverse mgtow https://imgoat.com/uploads/8dd2c7955c/76228.gif 2018-01-15T15:28:51 < dongs> is mtgow the new mtgox for new shitcoins 2018-01-15T15:29:45 < Laurenceb> http://i.magaimg.net/img/1zrb.png 2018-01-15T15:29:57 < Laurenceb> mgtow explainified 2018-01-15T15:34:18 < TohKar> Does anybody have examples using LwIP? I want to send sensor data via Ethernet, the STM connected as a TCP client. 2018-01-15T15:35:10 < TohKar> I already looked into the echo examples from ST but can't manage to send my data. 2018-01-15T15:36:14 < tomeaton17> Giving truestudio a go, looks nice but cant find any easy way to flash new code without going into the debugger 2018-01-15T15:38:49 < TohKar> For truestudio I also use CoFlash 2018-01-15T15:39:15 < kikes> https://www.mouser.fi/productdetail/extech/dm285?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvxDRaL6U%2FGjTHt5Z5Jv71zC5TALeQFHR8%3D I found a logger 2018-01-15T15:39:28 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T15:46:50 < kikes> company has some mobile phone connected flir though 2018-01-15T15:59:09 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-15T16:00:07 < TohKar> @Laurenceb, I got the GPIOH register data now 2018-01-15T16:02:20 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T16:02:52 < TohKar> MODER: 0x10028000, OTYPER: 0x180, OSPEEDR: 0x3c000, PUPDR: 0x0, IDR: 0x9bfc, ODR: 0x0, LCKR: 0x0, AFRL: 0x40000000, AFRH: 0x4 @Laurenceb 2018-01-15T16:03:22 < karlp> so, now check them yourself against what you thought you were doing eralier with the hal functions 2018-01-15T16:03:27 < karlp> are tehy what you think they should be? 2018-01-15T16:03:57 < TohKar> i dont know. Where can I get information about the correct setting? 2018-01-15T16:04:05 < Laurenceb> seriously... 2018-01-15T16:04:10 < TohKar> ref manual? 2018-01-15T16:04:13 < Laurenceb> read the reference manual 2018-01-15T16:04:20 < Laurenceb> u should have it open at all times :P 2018-01-15T16:04:22 < TohKar> jep 2018-01-15T16:04:36 < TohKar> okay... ;) 2018-01-15T16:10:06 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T16:13:42 < Thorn> we need a tool that would decode raw register values into bits/fields using an SVD file or something like that 2018-01-15T16:15:37 < kikes> can I get those wires from mouser that hase duponts or spike type of connector at ends? 2018-01-15T16:15:50 < karlp> Thorn: there's a couple of them around already 2018-01-15T16:16:13 < karlp> https://github.com/bnahill/PyCortexMDebug for instance 2018-01-15T16:16:46 < karlp> I've seen another one but can't find it right now 2018-01-15T16:22:37 < Thorn> cool, thanks 2018-01-15T16:30:21 < TohKar> okay, I made it through the ref manual. My first time debugging with registers - was kinda fun. I was only using printf-debug before :D So the state of the pins seems right to me. No pull, AF4, open drain 2018-01-15T16:34:25 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-15T16:38:05 < Laurenceb> arg CS43L22 2018-01-15T16:38:15 < Laurenceb> 67 page datasheet just for an amplifier 2018-01-15T16:41:56 < TohKar> @Laurenceb, will check for CCR, CR1, CR2, SR1, SR2 now 2018-01-15T16:49:59 < TohKar> CR1, CR2, CCR are zero 2018-01-15T16:50:08 < TohKar> isnt it very strange? 2018-01-15T16:53:06 < zyp> zero is only strange if you expect them to be anything else 2018-01-15T16:53:43 < zyp> but yes, if all registers read zero and you don't expect them to, it's suspicious 2018-01-15T16:54:10 < zyp> it tends to indicate that you forgot to turn on the block (RCC enable), because when it's off, all register reads return zero 2018-01-15T16:54:16 < tomeaton17> Anyone set baud rate with termios before 2018-01-15T16:54:42 < zyp> a lot of registers also default to zero, so it's also a reasonable value until you configure it to anything else 2018-01-15T16:54:59 < TohKar> when the clock control register is zero, then the clock wont work. Thats why I expect it to be something different 2018-01-15T16:55:15 < zyp> sounds reasonable 2018-01-15T16:55:16 < TohKar> it is after initialization 2018-01-15T16:56:08 < zyp> maybe the RCC enable didn't happen correctly or maybe you're looking at the wrong I2C block 2018-01-15T16:56:45 < zyp> when everything seems to be correct, that means you can't trust anything, so you have to just rule out problems :) 2018-01-15T16:57:24 < TohKar> __HAL_RCC_I2C3_CLK_ENABLE(); was not there 2018-01-15T16:58:30 < TohKar> CCR is now 0xd2, much more reasonable as well as values for CR1 and CR2 2018-01-15T17:01:16 < zyp> :) 2018-01-15T17:04:55 < TohKar> but the stat after init is still on timeout 2018-01-15T17:19:17 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T17:21:25 < TohKar> The BSRR of GPIOH is uninitialized. Could it bie the problem? 2018-01-15T17:21:45 < karlp> what does your manual say that register contains? 2018-01-15T17:22:18 < TohKar> the bit set reset register 2018-01-15T17:28:55 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T17:33:53 -!- TohKar [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-15T17:37:13 < karlp> pretty good price on this https://eewiki.net/display/microcontroller/Getting+Started+with+the+Microsemi+SmartFusion+2+Maker-Board 2018-01-15T17:37:28 < karlp> as long as you can make your project fit an esp32/esp8266 form factor to use ios. 2018-01-15T17:37:39 < karlp> seems like an odd part, cm3+gigabitethernet+pcie 2018-01-15T17:37:56 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T17:38:07 < anonnumberanon> karlp, I don't have one. I wanted opinions on it that's all. 2018-01-15T17:39:35 < karlp> well, the answer to your question was just "yes" 2018-01-15T17:39:44 < karlp> which presumably isn't really what you wanted to hear 2018-01-15T17:43:23 < anonnumberanon> it was heh 2018-01-15T17:43:36 < anonnumberanon> that tells me it's not useless software ;) 2018-01-15T17:43:55 < karlp> you needed a rnadom person in a niche irc channel to tell you that? you have bigger problems to face :) 2018-01-15T17:45:11 < anonnumberanon> i looked at the wikipedia page and i wanted to learn about it, mutex, semaphore, threads came up, I'm familiar with "ticks and hardware timer interrupts" but not with the latter so it's a good thing I'll get to refresh my memory on that, when I learned it it was only a survey course in College, Operating Systems if I remember correctly. 2018-01-15T17:45:39 < PaulFertser> And Microsemi are violating GPL by shipping OpenOCD illegally. 2018-01-15T17:46:01 < anonnumberanon> when I saw, usually the tick is 1 millisecond I thought, HAH! easy for me 2018-01-15T17:46:17 < anonnumberanon> the rest I have no idea how it's done and more importantly if I would ever need it 2018-01-15T17:47:18 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T17:58:44 < karlp> Laurenceb: http://www.eenewseurope.com/news/mediatek-offers-biosensor-module-smartphones-0?news_id=101534 2018-01-15T17:59:39 < Laurenceb> >no mention is made of how accurate these measurements are 2018-01-15T17:59:42 < Laurenceb> erm.. yeah 2018-01-15T17:59:51 < karlp> knew you'd love it. 2018-01-15T18:03:39 -!- kikes [~Janne@85-23-13-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T18:05:22 < Laurenceb> thanx 2018-01-15T18:05:27 < Laurenceb> zyp waifu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdkGcQJzDC4 2018-01-15T18:06:18 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T18:14:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@97-94-228-39.dhcp.lncy.or.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-15T18:26:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T18:27:55 < Laurenceb> wtf reee 2018-01-15T18:28:03 < Laurenceb> F4 discovery has headphone out not speaker 2018-01-15T18:28:06 < Laurenceb> epin rage 2018-01-15T18:29:18 < Steffanx> It has been confirmed once again. Italiand cant do electronics. A brokenish blue&me infotainment module drain my car's battery last night -_- 2018-01-15T18:29:32 < Steffanx> Drained* 2018-01-15T18:29:55 < Steffanx> Its what you get for using windows in a car. 2018-01-15T18:40:51 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/4V6np3.jpeg 2018-01-15T18:41:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-15T18:42:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@97-94-228-39.dhcp.lncy.or.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T18:43:50 < kikes> fest, https://www.mouser.fi/productdetail/adafruit/3019?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuG6%2FXKM6MUaV64gd%252bQ2UzVwlm%2F3E9WtI8%3D 2018-01-15T18:43:58 < kikes> just after we did the first mouser order 2018-01-15T18:45:44 < Ultrasauce> oh sweet so now you can combine adafruit quality with mouser prices 2018-01-15T18:46:17 < kikes> doesn't seem too bad 2018-01-15T18:46:30 < kikes> it has panavise mini thingy 2018-01-15T18:46:40 < kikes> and those squidy things 2018-01-15T18:47:58 < Ecco> Hi 2018-01-15T18:48:19 < Steffanx> Lo 2018-01-15T18:48:20 < Ecco> I'm having a hard time figuring out the write-speed of the flash on an STM32 2018-01-15T18:48:45 < Ecco> The datasheet says you can write by 8/16/32 and even 64 bytes if you enable a high-voltage source 2018-01-15T18:48:54 < Steffanx> Some products are only offered by adafruit and not by mouser, so sometimes its handy Ultrasauce 2018-01-15T18:48:58 < Ecco> but AFAIK doesn't say at which frequency 2018-01-15T18:49:55 < kikes> I think I need current references 2018-01-15T18:56:58 < Ecco> found it 2018-01-15T18:57:21 < Ecco> holy shit, 1 sec to erase 128KB 2018-01-15T18:57:52 < Ecco> even worse : word programming time 2018-01-15T18:57:53 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T18:57:57 < Ecco> typical : 16 us 2018-01-15T18:57:59 < Ecco> max : 100 us 2018-01-15T18:58:02 < Ecco> thaaaank you :-/ 2018-01-15T18:58:13 < qyx> why is it wrong 2018-01-15T18:58:29 < qyx> 100us * 32bit word = ~40KB/s 2018-01-15T18:58:32 < qyx> which is not bad 2018-01-15T18:58:51 < qyx> s/wrong/bad 2018-01-15T18:59:44 < Ecco> that's true 2018-01-15T19:00:01 < Ecco> Out of curiosity, how comes OpenOCD flashes at 19 kB/sec then? 2018-01-15T19:00:12 < Ecco> Also, why is the embedded USB DFU flasher so slow? 2018-01-15T19:00:16 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@74.42.252.20] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T19:00:49 < Ecco> And I didn't mean it was globally bad 2018-01-15T19:01:04 < Ecco> it's just that a 10x difference between typical and max is, well, surprising 2018-01-15T19:01:59 < kikes> guise anyone with mso1104z? 2018-01-15T19:02:38 < Ecco> Nah, I got the cheaper one 2018-01-15T19:03:05 < Ecco> Which, by the way, is annoying: it comes with a wide screen, but you can't disable the menus 2018-01-15T19:03:11 < Ecco> therefore the actual screen real estate is rather small 2018-01-15T19:03:32 < kikes> same thing with mso1104z? 2018-01-15T19:03:39 < kikes> what is your model? 2018-01-15T19:03:58 < kikes> tell me all the things you find annoying about it 2018-01-15T19:04:24 < kikes> all the limitations you have noticed too 2018-01-15T19:06:53 < kikes> fan noise 2018-01-15T19:07:56 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOJnw85Q4Es 2018-01-15T19:08:01 -!- SolderBlob [~randomUse@095-097-091-123.static.chello.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T19:09:19 < Ecco> fan os rather loud too 2018-01-15T19:09:34 < kikes> better void the warranity day 0 2018-01-15T19:12:02 < Steffanx> i replaced the one in my 1054E too 2018-01-15T19:13:41 < kikes> warranity already gone? 2018-01-15T19:15:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T19:15:11 < Steffanx> Yeah, but it took a while because i was lazy 2018-01-15T19:15:27 < kikes> I mean was it already out of warranity? 2018-01-15T19:15:30 < kikes> when you did it 2018-01-15T19:16:02 < Steffanx> Yes it was, but .. i didnt wait for that 2018-01-15T19:17:09 < kikes> ye 2018-01-15T19:17:52 < kikes> so has those ds1000 and mso1000 series rigols been completelly hacked yet? 2018-01-15T19:18:15 < kikes> so that does it make sense to buy a kit with highest BW and all options included 2018-01-15T19:18:34 < kikes> I should not actually care 2018-01-15T19:18:49 < kikes> but if I buy one for myself it matters 2018-01-15T19:20:43 < inca> Is there any particular reason why when I set GPIOG->MODER = 0x00005555; the change is not reflected in the memory/register? 2018-01-15T19:21:25 < karlp> Ecco: it's ~3ms typical on L1 parts ;) 2018-01-15T19:22:00 < karlp> inca: do you have gpiog? 2018-01-15T19:22:51 < inca> karlp: STM32F427II 2018-01-15T19:23:16 < karlp> just know that some of them went from e to h and then back to g at a dumb address or somesuch 2018-01-15T19:25:29 < inca> hmmm 2018-01-15T19:28:21 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2018-01-15T19:36:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-15T19:46:52 -!- kikes [~Janne@85-23-13-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T19:49:52 < inca> Oh... did I forget to enable a clock? 2018-01-15T19:53:39 < inca> Yes. Yes I did. That would explain why writing to memory fails. 2018-01-15T19:57:14 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T19:59:27 < karlp> classssssic :) 2018-01-15T20:00:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-15T20:03:06 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-15T20:05:31 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-15T20:07:08 < upgrdman_> hmm. when i have my 10/100 ethernet phy under reset, my pcb draws 100mA less current. is this normal? ethernet works fine. 2018-01-15T20:07:13 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman 2018-01-15T20:07:39 < upgrdman> are there special PHYs/jacks that are low power? 100mA seems like an aweful lot for a 100Mbit interface. 2018-01-15T20:17:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-bdb9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T20:22:58 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-15T20:28:23 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T20:30:52 < aandrew> dongs: you awake? 2018-01-15T20:31:25 < Steffanx> lol, this netflix series made me think of Laurenceb for some reason: "The End of the F***ing World". "I think im a psychopath" "I was eight when i discovered i had no sense of humor". 2018-01-15T20:31:40 < aandrew> that covers 80% of the people in this chan 2018-01-15T20:32:03 < Steffanx> Did you also put your hand in a fryer to feel something? 2018-01-15T20:34:07 < zyp> Steffanx, haha, I saw the trailer for that one yesterday 2018-01-15T20:34:12 < zyp> seems fun 2018-01-15T20:35:51 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyydd7ty-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T20:39:25 < Steffanx> it's kinda weird for sure zyp 2018-01-15T20:39:26 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T20:41:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T20:46:10 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T20:49:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-15T21:06:53 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-15T21:17:26 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:a0ea:66ed:1d7f:1cc2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T21:30:53 -!- DisruptiveNL [~Disruptiv@5ED42E60.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T21:45:36 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T21:49:45 < tpw_rules> does gcc have a fetish for global variables 2018-01-15T21:49:54 < tpw_rules> like if you use a local, will it ever convert it into a global 2018-01-15T21:57:57 < kikes> !wz oulu 2018-01-15T21:57:59 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Light Snow. Temp is -8.0°C. Humidity: 93%. 2018-01-15T21:58:02 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T22:00:43 < kikes> !wz quebec 2018-01-15T22:00:44 < englishbot> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Light Snow. Temp is -8°C but feels like -11°C. East wind: 6 kph. Humidity: 79%. 2018-01-15T22:00:57 < kikes> pumps! 2018-01-15T22:02:43 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-15T22:03:56 < Ultrasauce> use city names, that's not a place that matters 2018-01-15T22:05:11 < Steffanx> !wz Ultrasauce City 2018-01-15T22:05:12 < englishbot> Unable to locate query. 2018-01-15T22:08:41 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T22:09:02 < Rob235> woo! at the library 3d printing my first part 2018-01-15T22:09:44 < Steffanx> \o/ 2018-01-15T22:15:59 -!- wasutton3 [~wsutton3@24-104-45-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-15T22:24:19 < kikes> do you know any analog amplifier modules? 2018-01-15T22:26:21 < Ultrasauce> nope. can't think of anything in that extremely broad category that is definitely not in need of further clarification 2018-01-15T22:27:06 < kikes> to amplify output of my shunt amplifier module 2018-01-15T22:27:30 < kikes> so that it could drive 50ohm line with full 3v3 DC 2018-01-15T22:28:59 < kikes> or was it 5vdc.. don't remember 2018-01-15T22:29:16 < c10ud> ina271 2018-01-15T22:30:14 < c10ud> i think i used it a looong time aog 2018-01-15T22:30:16 < c10ud> ago 2018-01-15T22:31:50 < kikes> sounds familiar 2018-01-15T22:32:16 < kikes> wait.. I already have shunt amplifier 2018-01-15T22:32:29 < kikes> I just need to amplify it's output 2018-01-15T22:33:18 < kikes> I'm just looking for simple good enought module for it 2018-01-15T22:34:10 < kikes> lots of VGA modules 2018-01-15T22:34:18 < kikes> pretty low input voltage to them 2018-01-15T22:34:27 < kikes> and says nothing about DC 2018-01-15T22:40:35 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2018-01-15T22:44:43 -!- DisruptiveNL [~Disruptiv@5ED42E60.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-15T22:51:51 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T22:52:13 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/SsewB 2018-01-15T22:53:13 < Ultrasauce> what printer is that? wide-ass nozzle 2018-01-15T22:53:34 < Rob235> replicator 5th gen 2018-01-15T22:54:44 < c10ud> kikes, lm324 lol 2018-01-15T22:54:57 < kikes> yes 2018-01-15T22:57:25 < fest> kikes: mouser does free shipping on orders above 50EUR 2018-01-15T22:57:37 < kikes> yes 2018-01-15T22:57:48 < fest> Unless you need to go through PO stuff 2018-01-15T22:57:51 < kikes> I was wrong 2018-01-15T22:58:13 < kikes> that thing in the photo is with all accessories 2018-01-15T22:59:39 < kikes> it has only that base and 4 arms 2018-01-15T22:59:51 < kikes> no panavise included 2018-01-15T23:01:42 -!- dfgg_ [~damian@62-210-38-95.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-15T23:06:05 -!- dfgg_ [~damian@62-210-38-95.rev.poneytelecom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T23:12:17 < karlp> upgrdman: there's an 802.3 extension (ad? not sure anymore) that is often called "green power" 2018-01-15T23:12:32 < karlp> which reduces the power consumption quite signinficantly when it detects shorter cables 2018-01-15T23:13:46 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:a0ea:66ed:1d7f:1cc2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-15T23:15:14 < upgrdman> hmm ok 2018-01-15T23:15:27 < upgrdman> so ~100mA and 3.3V is normalish? 2018-01-15T23:15:32 < upgrdman> s/and/at 2018-01-15T23:16:17 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-15T23:22:52 < fest> what phy is that? 2018-01-15T23:24:35 < fest> KSZ8081 datasheet lists 46mA@3.3V, 100mbit link up, no traffic 2018-01-15T23:26:44 < fest> has a power save mode which should consume 25mA without link (disabled by default, of course) 2018-01-15T23:28:12 < upgrdman> duno, some nat semi phy 2018-01-15T23:28:36 < upgrdman> oh. the reset for phy is tired to mcu reset. lol. so some of that current is from the mcu going to sleep too. 2018-01-15T23:28:38 < upgrdman> heh 2018-01-15T23:42:48 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!*@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman 2018-01-15T23:42:55 -!- Laurenceb was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [Laurenceb] 2018-01-15T23:45:52 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Quit: leaving] --- Day changed Tue Jan 16 2018 2018-01-16T00:12:13 -!- sterna 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It was the connector which I assumed would be without problems. I used an IDC not taking into account it could be failing. Moving on 2018-01-16T15:28:05 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-16T15:29:44 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T15:35:01 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T15:47:59 -!- laurence_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T15:48:07 < aandrew> did dongs ever show up? 2018-01-16T15:48:13 < aandrew> nope 2018-01-16T15:48:15 < aandrew> drowned in natto 2018-01-16T15:59:01 <@englishman> aandrew: he only chats with you if you owe him money. so if you want to see more of him, dont pay one of his bills 2018-01-16T15:59:06 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T15:59:20 < qyx> lol 2018-01-16T16:00:49 < aandrew> heh 2018-01-16T16:02:45 -!- laurence_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-16T16:18:32 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T16:32:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-16T16:33:44 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-16T16:37:26 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T16:39:10 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-16T16:43:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T16:43:52 < jadew> windows sucks since a couple of updates ago... 2018-01-16T16:44:11 < jadew> shit stopped working properly and then to top it off, before shutting down it fucking reset my icons positions 2018-01-16T16:44:29 < jadew> how hard is it to remember the position of some icons? 2018-01-16T16:44:36 < jadew> it's not the first time it happens 2018-01-16T16:44:44 < jadew> you update some shit => reset icons 2018-01-16T16:44:55 < jadew> some other garbage happens => reset icons 2018-01-16T16:44:58 < jadew> wtf??? 2018-01-16T16:48:15 < srk> <3 2018-01-16T16:51:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T16:54:37 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-16T16:59:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T17:18:59 < lncog> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4347479/Npr-2018-A.pdf 2018-01-16T17:18:59 < jadew> ffs... nothing seems to work right anymore 2018-01-16T17:22:01 < c10ud> do you know any win utility I can use so I can find out why an usb device isn't enumerating? 2018-01-16T17:22:41 < jadew> usblyzer 2018-01-16T17:25:33 < c10ud> jadew, thx 2018-01-16T17:27:33 < jadew> np 2018-01-16T17:27:44 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-16T17:28:02 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T17:30:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-16T17:45:16 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T17:48:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T18:09:39 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2018-01-16T18:16:01 -!- TohKar [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-16T18:20:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T18:22:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-16T18:24:55 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T18:26:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-16T18:37:38 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-16T18:38:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-16T18:51:57 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-16T19:08:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T19:26:37 -!- kikes [~Janne@85-23-33-18.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T19:27:15 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-16T19:27:28 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-16T19:27:57 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T19:41:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T19:41:43 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T19:41:49 -!- MrMobius [a816e1a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.22.225.161] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T19:42:06 < Steffanx> lol jadew reminds me of this Vector CAN software tool, when you install it, it changes all default apps for any file type on your system 2018-01-16T20:03:17 < aandrew> yeah usblyzer is good 2018-01-16T20:11:57 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-16T20:12:06 <@englishman> if you thought stm32 was annoying, ATXMEGA has 3 pin one dimples 2018-01-16T20:25:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@97-94-228-39.dhcp.lncy.or.charter.com] has quit [] 2018-01-16T20:25:10 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T20:32:02 < kikes> pickit3 - how useless is it? 2018-01-16T20:33:55 < Steffanx> How many pics do you want to touch? 2018-01-16T20:34:08 < kikes> a few 2018-01-16T20:34:17 < Steffanx> that i can imagine it's useful 2018-01-16T20:34:42 < Steffanx> *then 2018-01-16T20:35:33 < kikes> I just remember some eevblog video or so where it was all complain 2018-01-16T20:35:40 < kikes> about them ruining pickit 2018-01-16T20:35:53 < kikes> making it horrible to use and killing features 2018-01-16T20:36:29 < kikes> how to sell - make a new product... but make it worse than last one 2018-01-16T20:37:04 < c10ud> mfw the board has inverted pinout on usb and I think I destroyed something in the usb ports 2018-01-16T20:37:06 < kikes> Steffanx, how about if I want to touch many pics? 2018-01-16T20:37:07 < c10ud> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- 2018-01-16T20:38:25 < kikes> anyways ordered pickit like yesterday so tommorow it arrives 2018-01-16T20:38:30 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-16T20:38:57 < jadew> I have a pickit 2 2018-01-16T20:38:59 < jadew> works fine 2018-01-16T20:39:03 < kikes> yes 2018-01-16T20:39:15 < kikes> _it_ works very well 2018-01-16T20:39:32 < kikes> if there is believing dave jones 2018-01-16T20:44:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T20:45:58 < jpa-> yeah; only sad thing it won't program all the newer pics 2018-01-16T20:46:10 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T20:49:02 -!- DrLuke [~quassel@2a04:52c0:101:98:f8d4:7467:46c0:98be] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-16T20:55:56 < kikes> I think the deal with pickit3 was like it's literally the same HW or almost 2018-01-16T20:56:35 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T20:59:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-16T21:06:25 < c10ud^> fml, port is broken 2018-01-16T21:18:26 -!- DrLuke [~quassel@2a04:52c0:101:98:f8d4:7467:46c0:98be] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T21:19:48 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T21:31:00 < stvn> good morning 2018-01-16T21:31:04 < kikes> where is our britbong? 2018-01-16T21:35:28 <@englishman> banned for being a retard 2018-01-16T21:35:31 < stvn> in lol 2018-01-16T21:35:35 < stvn> in trouble 2018-01-16T21:39:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-a6e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T21:43:04 < kikes> no way 2018-01-16T21:43:35 < kikes> just as he had been proven actually useful 2018-01-16T21:44:39 < stvn> i heard he's opening a youtube channel soon 2018-01-16T21:44:43 < kikes> mad 2018-01-16T21:44:54 < stvn> dr.blaxter's memetics 2018-01-16T21:46:07 < kikes> his code is good 2018-01-16T21:46:19 < stvn> yeah? 2018-01-16T21:47:31 < kikes> his rocket engineering is good 2018-01-16T21:47:39 < kikes> his electronics are good 2018-01-16T21:48:21 < stvn> most likely 2018-01-16T21:49:16 < kikes> but only he thinks about is memetics 2018-01-16T21:49:30 < lncog> it is fascinating 2018-01-16T21:49:31 < Ultrasauce> kakkoinen stamp of approval 2018-01-16T21:49:56 < lncog> and we did see the rise of military wings dedicated to it, in the past few years 2018-01-16T21:50:12 < lncog> 77th brigade is the UK's troll regiment 2018-01-16T21:50:47 < lncog> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507172.pdf 2018-01-16T21:50:55 < lncog> for america 2018-01-16T21:51:25 < kikes> Ultrasauce, kaikkonen 2018-01-16T21:51:31 < lncog> if i could go back 15 years and tell old gnaa that trolling would chage war, i would laugh myself out of the channel 2018-01-16T21:51:55 < lncog> seems surreal, makes me wonder if they monitored us for training 2018-01-16T21:52:09 < kikes> Ultrasauce, https://translate.google.fi/#fi/en/kaikkonen press speaker button 2018-01-16T21:52:39 < Ultrasauce> are you implying that my arbitrary and ignorant permutation of your name was incorrect? 2018-01-16T21:52:47 < stvn> i tried to join the gnaa, but they found out i was white 2018-01-16T21:52:48 < stvn> fuck 2018-01-16T21:53:06 < lncog> stvn, only rkz and rolloffle were nonwhite 2018-01-16T21:53:10 < kikes> Ultrasauce, not at all.. you are correct 2018-01-16T21:53:16 < lncog> not many were gay either 2018-01-16T21:53:39 < lncog> it was a great laugh 2018-01-16T21:53:53 < stvn> funnier than /pol/ of course 2018-01-16T21:54:17 < lncog> debateable, /pol/ birthed valid lisp as a slur 2018-01-16T21:54:20 < lncog> ((())) 2018-01-16T21:54:29 < lncog> and got onto ADL3 2018-01-16T21:54:32 < lncog> -3 2018-01-16T21:55:42 < lncog> with a cartoon 2018-01-16T21:55:44 < lncog> frog 2018-01-16T21:56:37 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-16T21:57:12 <@englishman> should i choose the bin marked 0.01uF, 10nF, or 10000pF 2018-01-16T21:58:03 < qyx> 10nF 2018-01-16T21:58:06 < qyx> I hate the others 2018-01-16T21:58:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.0.202] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T21:58:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.0.202] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-16T21:58:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T22:00:26 <@englishman> digikey doesnt use nF 2018-01-16T22:05:26 < qyx> they are dumb 2018-01-16T22:29:23 < kikes> is baxter really banned? 2018-01-16T22:31:16 < Steffanx> stop it crt -_- 2018-01-16T22:31:19 < Steffanx> im not that fast 2018-01-16T22:32:43 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T22:34:46 < Steffanx> Why is it no Käikkönen, like the F1 driver, but then with a K. kikes? 2018-01-16T22:35:34 < kikes> räikkä = ratchet 2018-01-16T22:37:08 < kikes> kaikota = dissapear, vanish, get lost, get away 2018-01-16T22:37:43 < BrainDamage> where does kakmir come from? 2018-01-16T22:38:12 < BrainDamage> cacca is shit in italian 2018-01-16T22:38:27 < kikes> kakka 2018-01-16T22:38:38 < kikes> pissi 2018-01-16T22:38:42 < kikes> ! 2018-01-16T22:38:51 < kikes> most accurate answer 2018-01-16T22:41:50 < kikes> I just bleached myself and integrated into society 2018-01-16T22:42:07 < kikes> social experiment 2018-01-16T22:42:52 < BrainDamage> this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_bleaching ? 2018-01-16T22:43:11 < kikes> everything.. 2018-01-16T22:49:56 < Steffanx> Hes drunk again. 2018-01-16T22:55:14 < kikes> it's all expected 2018-01-16T22:55:30 < kikes> dirty minds think a like 2018-01-16T22:55:48 -!- a_morale [~quassel@178.62.70.160] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-16T23:01:08 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: me? nope 2018-01-16T23:01:30 < Steffanx> hah, ok BrainDamage :) 2018-01-16T23:03:31 < Steffanx> nah he has lots of those. 2018-01-16T23:03:39 < Steffanx> cant hurt to kill a few 2018-01-16T23:03:49 < Steffanx> i bet you already killed to many, crt 2018-01-16T23:04:02 < Steffanx> +o 2018-01-16T23:06:47 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::3de:a001] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T23:09:44 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::3de:a001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-16T23:11:16 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::3de:a001] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T23:13:20 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::3de:a001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-16T23:14:51 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::3de:a001] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T23:19:11 < aandrew> hm, I wonder how fast I can clock the SAMD51 spi peripheral in master mode 2018-01-16T23:19:21 < aandrew> the timing specs are all relative 2018-01-16T23:19:30 < aandrew> I guess I can just set the BRG to minimum and try 2018-01-16T23:22:38 < jpa-> echo "main(t){for(;;t++)putchar(t*(42&t>>10));}"|gcc -xc -&&./a.out|aplay <-- nice music 2018-01-16T23:23:35 < Steffanx> -bash: aplay: command not found 2018-01-16T23:25:51 < Steffanx> hi from crt, jpa-. 2018-01-16T23:25:55 < Steffanx> He likes it. 2018-01-16T23:34:39 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-236-108.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-16T23:34:43 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b5f0:41fe:f5e0:4607] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T23:35:11 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-16T23:36:09 < Steffanx> oh PeterM :o 2018-01-16T23:37:28 <@englishman> PeterM: 2018-01-16T23:37:30 <@englishman> hi 2018-01-16T23:37:41 <@englishman> what battery charger/balancer for 16S did you recommend? 2018-01-16T23:37:46 <@englishman> lipo 2018-01-16T23:41:17 < kikes> 16S!! 2018-01-16T23:41:33 < zyp> ebike? 2018-01-16T23:41:36 < kikes> are you building a drone or something? 2018-01-16T23:42:02 <@englishman> https://i.imgur.com/UJKpqve.jpg 2018-01-16T23:42:05 < zyp> ebike stuff usually have a BMS that does balancing embedded in the pack 2018-01-16T23:42:21 < zyp> so the external charger only have two terminals and just does current/voltage limiting 2018-01-16T23:42:25 <@englishman> yeah tahts what im looking for 2018-01-16T23:42:55 <@englishman> sorry 2018-01-16T23:42:56 < kikes> englishman, tesla battery packs 2018-01-16T23:42:58 <@englishman> https://i.imgur.com/fk6dWCQ.jpg 2018-01-16T23:43:16 < kikes> friend bought canam maverick x3 x rs 2018-01-16T23:43:23 < zyp> crt, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/jl9Hx.JPG 2018-01-16T23:43:44 < kikes> englishman, cute 2018-01-16T23:44:29 < Steffanx> do you see the crt, crt? :D 2018-01-16T23:44:46 < Steffanx> zyp pic.. 2018-01-16T23:44:56 < zyp> haha 2018-01-16T23:44:57 < zyp> true 2018-01-16T23:45:21 < Steffanx> Now you''ll remember the norwegian crt guy. 2018-01-16T23:45:28 < zyp> not my crt 2018-01-16T23:45:36 < zyp> it was in the apartment when I moved in 2018-01-16T23:45:44 < zyp> so I put it in that corner 2018-01-16T23:45:50 < zyp> and it stayed there until I moved out 2018-01-16T23:46:42 < Steffanx> is that e-bike diy or .. not, zyp? 2018-01-16T23:46:52 < zyp> yes 2018-01-16T23:47:07 < zyp> BBS01 and battery pack 2018-01-16T23:47:23 < zyp> the BBS thing is nice, self contained thing, just supply power 2018-01-16T23:48:11 < BrainDamage> jpa-: http://codepad.org/5opQhNSs 2018-01-16T23:50:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-a6e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-16T23:53:01 < BrainDamage> how much energy does the battery pack store? 2018-01-16T23:55:36 < zyp> 36V 10Ah, so 360Wh 2018-01-16T23:56:07 < zyp> it's good for around 50km with the maximum assist level 2018-01-16T23:57:04 < BrainDamage> what time does it take? 2h? 2018-01-16T23:57:13 < zyp> does what take? 2018-01-16T23:57:51 < BrainDamage> cruising for 50km at the max assist level, with a normal pedaling pace 2018-01-16T23:58:23 < BrainDamage> I'd assume you'd get 25-30km/h effective speed --- Day changed Wed Jan 17 2018 2018-01-17T00:00:01 < zyp> I don't remember how long that trip took in total 2018-01-17T00:00:49 < zyp> but yeah, at flat ground it does 25-30 easily 2018-01-17T00:01:02 < zyp> less uphill 2018-01-17T00:01:57 < zyp> and you probably don't go fast enough downhill to make up for the time going uphill, so the average speed on hilly roads are probably gonna be less than what you do on flat roads 2018-01-17T00:17:36 < karlp> /dev/dsp: Permission denied 2018-01-17T00:19:56 < karlp> so that bbs01 kit is like $350 for the kit, the you add your own batter right? and your own charger with it? 2018-01-17T00:22:54 < karlp> pipingn to aplay doesn't do much interesting BrainDamage 2018-01-17T00:23:45 < karlp> jpa's is much cooler! 2018-01-17T00:26:24 < BrainDamage> karlp: even with padsp wrapper? 2018-01-17T00:27:12 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b5f0:41fe:f5e0:4607] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-17T00:27:22 < BrainDamage> oh crap, I'm dumb, I'm wrapping awk, but not the shell that way 2018-01-17T00:27:27 < BrainDamage> and the redirect is in the shell 2018-01-17T00:28:40 < karlp> BrainDamage: I get sound, but nothing interesting. 2018-01-17T00:29:10 < zyp> karlp, kit was $400 when I bought it, battery was $160 and shipping was $140, so about $700 total 2018-01-17T00:29:10 < BrainDamage> if it works, you should get a chiptune music, and a loud whine on top 2018-01-17T00:29:15 < zyp> plus norwegian VAT 2018-01-17T00:29:35 < zyp> charger came included with the battery 2018-01-17T00:29:50 < zyp> my impression is that they usually are 2018-01-17T00:31:51 < zyp> hub motor kits are usually cheaper, but seems like more hassle 2018-01-17T00:31:58 < karlp> BrainDamage: yeah, I didnn't get taht :) 2018-01-17T00:32:58 < zyp> and letting the motor use the gears supposedly gives an efficiency benefit, but idk 2018-01-17T00:40:59 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T00:42:16 < kikes> gimme musics 2018-01-17T00:43:00 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVDgVe1yGOg kikes 2018-01-17T00:43:26 <@englishman> and you wonder why people call you papa steffy 2018-01-17T00:43:57 < Steffanx> <3 2018-01-17T00:44:40 < kikes> lame musics 2018-01-17T00:44:42 < Steffanx> i have to take car of kikes now he left his parent's house 2018-01-17T00:46:11 < kikes> I don't have a car 2018-01-17T00:46:38 <@englishman> https://imgur.com/a/L6ffX 2018-01-17T00:47:36 < BrainDamage> if it's in the middle of the road they have to remove it 2018-01-17T00:47:47 < BrainDamage> be it a mass of snow or a real car 2018-01-17T00:52:37 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T00:53:39 < Rob235> 3 hours into my second 3d print the librarian knocked it off the bed 2018-01-17T00:53:57 < Rob235> waste of a day 2018-01-17T00:56:30 < upgrdman> just buy your own printer 2018-01-17T00:56:40 < upgrdman> you can get decent ones for <$400 2018-01-17T00:57:02 < Rob235> yea I might as well 2018-01-17T00:57:54 < kikes> is it true that BC has fertility rate around 5 or more? 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on the sensor itself 2018-01-17T01:58:07 < qyx> or was it one way only 2018-01-17T01:59:08 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-17T01:59:56 <@englishman> yes 2way 2018-01-17T02:00:18 < qyx> how did you do rx power ccling? 2018-01-17T02:00:32 <@englishman> transmissions are acked for now, simple packet replay, but 2way is there for future protocol 2018-01-17T02:00:50 <@englishman> oh did not have wake-on-radio 2018-01-17T02:01:36 < qyx> so you are able to respond gateway->sensor only for some time after the sensor->gateway packet arrived? 2018-01-17T02:03:24 <@englishman> yes if the hub gives a special reply 2018-01-17T02:03:37 <@englishman> like, ACK+sleep or ACK+continue 2018-01-17T02:04:17 < qyx> ah 2018-01-17T02:04:33 < qyx> I am investigating those modes 2018-01-17T02:04:48 < qyx> trying to innovate something 2018-01-17T02:05:13 < qyx> the biggest problem for slotted-mac is time synchronization 2018-01-17T02:05:27 <@englishman> not sure about lora but at least on most packet radio ics they go into a low power rx mode and just listen for rssi threshhold, then fully wake up if present 2018-01-17T02:05:39 < qyx> so for now I am going to try wake-on-radio 2018-01-17T02:05:42 < qyx> yes 2018-01-17T02:06:16 <@englishman> how i wanted to do this was scheduled sleep windows 2018-01-17T02:06:29 <@englishman> so the hub governs when each will be waking up 2018-01-17T02:06:46 < qyx> yep, doable, but more hard in a mesh topology 2018-01-17T02:06:52 < qyx> *harder 2018-01-17T02:07:00 <@englishman> yes but i did not think i needed this 2018-01-17T02:07:24 <@englishman> a completely different, but equally interesting experiment 2018-01-17T02:12:56 < jadew> looks like with one of the last updates MS also fucked the file sharing 2018-01-17T02:13:15 < jadew> I can't access my shares from any android device 2018-01-17T02:17:58 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-17T02:20:40 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T02:33:25 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T02:42:49 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-17T03:01:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-17T03:17:50 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-145-122-125.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-17T03:35:21 < Thorn> Louis repairing a miner (I think) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjU--8AUfD4 2018-01-17T03:59:32 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T04:23:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T04:33:27 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T04:36:43 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T04:48:43 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-17T04:50:11 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T04:52:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-17T04:58:51 <@englishman> what's a good usb2hs analyzer/decoder 2018-01-17T04:59:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T05:02:36 < aandrew> englishman: what do you need to do 2018-01-17T05:02:59 <@englishman> prove that it's not my problem 2018-01-17T05:03:41 < aandrew> if you need something that someone else will accept, rent a beagle 2018-01-17T05:06:25 <@englishman> what's that? 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I got tired of paying 40€ 2018-01-17T10:36:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T11:23:08 < karlp> why does it need that controller? 2018-01-17T11:23:15 < karlp> maybe that'w hy you're paying €40? 2018-01-17T11:32:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T11:32:23 < stvn> operation balls 2018-01-17T11:32:28 < Steffanx> Ya 2018-01-17T11:32:42 < stvn> hi sir 2018-01-17T11:32:48 < karlp> englishman: zyp will support the beagle recommendation. 2018-01-17T11:34:11 < karlp> qyx: things like 802.15.4 have the time sync mechanisms built into the standard for slotted access. 2018-01-17T11:34:17 < stvn> stiff units 2018-01-17T11:35:55 < karlp> englishman: .... did the cops give a ticket to a snow sculpture? 2018-01-17T11:54:31 < zyp> englishman, yeah, beagle is good 2018-01-17T11:54:43 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T11:54:46 < stvn> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 2018-01-17T11:54:50 < zyp> I don't really have experience with much else to compare to though 2018-01-17T11:56:41 < stvn> https://www.oritech.com.au/T6_dash_1000/Fluke-T6-1000-Electrical-Tester-with-FieldSense/pd.php 2018-01-17T11:57:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-17T12:32:07 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T12:36:13 < c10ud> karlp, some already done sw hanging around mostly, I know that the controller is the culprit but maybe the shop is raising the bar a bit too much 2018-01-17T12:50:22 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T12:51:23 < karlp> stvn: neat 2018-01-17T12:51:49 < stvn> i prefer to use finger test 2018-01-17T12:57:51 < Steffanx> 🖕🏿 2018-01-17T13:02:55 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T13:06:21 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T13:06:25 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-17T13:25:45 < marble_visions> are you seeing irc spambots from time to time or is it just me? 2018-01-17T13:31:42 < zyp> where? 2018-01-17T13:31:48 < jpa-> yeah, freenode is full of spambots lately 2018-01-17T13:35:11 < marble_visions> zyp: in a bunch of channels, spamming with all caps, quoting random people in the room 2018-01-17T13:35:26 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-17T13:35:56 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-17T13:36:11 < zyp> kinda hard to guard against shit that joins, spams and goes away 2018-01-17T13:41:00 < stvn> the shoot and scoot 2018-01-17T13:41:12 < Steffanx> Im glad he didnt find us yet. 2018-01-17T13:41:26 < Steffanx> Im surprised, as its ReadErr's friend doing it 2018-01-17T13:42:20 < stvn> yah i aint got any yet 2018-01-17T13:55:54 < stvn> i need cheap laptop 2018-01-17T13:57:21 < invzim> cheap laptop is the same as cheap pizza, sounds like a good deal but really isn't 2018-01-17T13:57:34 < stvn> i got good 5 dollar pizza 2018-01-17T13:57:47 < zyp> depends what it's gonna do 2018-01-17T13:58:19 < zyp> if you just need a computer for a specific dumb task, you go out and buy the cheapest shit you find 2018-01-17T13:58:26 < invzim> I've been forced to use cheap dells, once bought an asus myself and regretted it 2018-01-17T13:58:54 < invzim> thinkpads for life yo 2018-01-17T14:01:31 < invzim> my current thinkpad was actually very cheap (T430s, corei7, ssd etc) - free even as I found it in a recycling station in the basement of a commercial building :) 2018-01-17T14:03:54 < stvn> yah zyp 2018-01-17T14:04:04 < stvn> just read pdf and do basic shit 2018-01-17T14:04:33 < stvn> found something cheap enough with 6th gen i3 2018-01-17T14:04:43 < stvn> so hopefully it wont be a furnace on my lap 2018-01-17T14:05:57 < qyx> my thinkpad is an old gigabyte mini-itx mb with i3-2120T, 8G ram and ssd 2018-01-17T14:06:09 < qyx> it consumes around 35W total 2018-01-17T14:09:57 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 2018-01-17T14:10:01 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: thankyou] 2018-01-17T14:10:42 < qyx> np. 2018-01-17T14:12:57 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T14:28:39 < marble_visions> invzim: prepare yourself for declining quality, if you start riding the lenovo train 2018-01-17T14:29:02 < marble_visions> the newer they get, the worse they become 2018-01-17T14:41:12 < kikes> yes 2018-01-17T14:41:17 < kikes> they are cheap brand now 2018-01-17T14:41:27 < invzim> I guess, super happy with my current one tho 2018-01-17T14:41:28 < kikes> in terms of quality 2018-01-17T14:50:24 < sync> we still have less issues with them than with other brands 2018-01-17T14:56:25 < kikes> yes 2018-01-17T15:06:44 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T15:07:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T15:11:22 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T15:14:07 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-17T15:14:14 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-17T15:17:38 -!- DrLuke [~quassel@2a04:52c0:101:98:f8d4:7467:46c0:98be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-17T15:18:09 -!- DrLuke [~quassel@drluke.space] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T15:20:41 -!- DrLuke [~quassel@drluke.space] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-17T15:21:12 -!- DrLuke [~quassel@drluke.space] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T15:31:41 < aandrew> englishman: yes, used their usb3 version 2018-01-17T15:33:34 -!- englishman [~englishma@speedy.cloner.services] has quit [Quit: englishman] 2018-01-17T15:33:34 -!- englishbot [~englishbo@shitty.cloner.tech] has quit [Quit: englishbot] 2018-01-17T15:34:38 -!- englishman [~englishma@speedy.cloner.services] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T15:34:42 -!- englishbot [~englishbo@149.56.178.154] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T15:39:25 < englishman> aandrew: cool, how is software 2018-01-17T15:39:33 < englishman> will probably buy, lots of features vs ellisys 2018-01-17T15:44:28 < sync> which one? 2018-01-17T15:46:41 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-17T15:47:13 < englishman> beagle usb2 analuzer 2018-01-17T15:50:22 < sync> ah yeah 2018-01-17T15:56:08 < zyp> englishman, seems to have decent support for decoding standard classes 2018-01-17T15:56:37 < zyp> at least I haven't done any standard classes yet that it couldn't decode properly 2018-01-17T15:58:00 < zyp> closest thing I've come to an issue with the beagle is that it's kinda sensitive for vbus sag 2018-01-17T15:58:55 < zyp> if your device draw too much power and you're using a shitty cable that drops a bunch on vbus, beagle might see that as a host disconnect, even if the device is still communicating fine 2018-01-17T15:59:23 < zyp> but that's solved by just not using shitty cables 2018-01-17T16:11:37 < englishman> does it have to be powered by the same bus? like man in the middle? 2018-01-17T16:11:46 < englishman> what if im diagnosing a power issue? 2018-01-17T16:12:18 < zyp> no 2018-01-17T16:13:16 < zyp> but it senses vbus presence from the host to detect host presence 2018-01-17T16:13:51 < englishman> ah ok 2018-01-17T16:14:28 < karlp> hrm, didn't think it was so exxpensive 2018-01-17T16:15:12 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/XBEiy.png <- host disconnected/connected events here are based on vbus presence 2018-01-17T16:17:17 < Lux> englishman: if the stuff is running on linux you can also use wireshark for usb sniffing 2018-01-17T16:17:29 < Lux> tried it once and worked ok imo 2018-01-17T16:17:34 < Lux> kinda the poor mans option :) 2018-01-17T16:17:47 < zyp> Lux, depends what sort of issue you're debugging 2018-01-17T16:18:20 < zyp> software solutions gives you the host level perspective, looking at submitted/completed URBs 2018-01-17T16:18:23 < karlp> wireshark's great, but it only works once usb layer works itself. 2018-01-17T16:18:35 < zyp> which is pretty different from the bus level perspective you get from a hardware analyzer 2018-01-17T16:18:45 < Lux> yeah if the problem is on the usb layer then it won't help much 2018-01-17T16:19:00 < Lux> i wonder if you'd still see failed checksum packets 2018-01-17T16:19:39 < zyp> not if it's bulk/control 2018-01-17T16:19:53 < zyp> they'll be retransmitted and you'll only see the successful completion 2018-01-17T16:20:28 < zyp> if it's interrupt or iso you'll probably just not get a package for that timeslot, since those doesn't do retransmission 2018-01-17T16:21:54 < zyp> half the issues I've been debugging have been enumeration-related, and you can forget getting anything useful about that from host software analysis :p 2018-01-17T16:22:55 < zyp> for high level stuff like class protocols, you might have more luck 2018-01-17T16:23:26 < zyp> but IIRC wireshark didn't have that much dissectors for class level stuff last I checked 2018-01-17T16:25:26 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Lf5xQ.png <- TPDC will combine packages into higher level protocols when it can 2018-01-17T16:25:45 < Lux> that's pretty nice 2018-01-17T16:25:51 < Lux> wireshark won't do that 2018-01-17T16:25:54 < zyp> those are SCSI requests for mass storage, and IIRC each of those consists of three bus level transfers, which each might consist of multiple packages 2018-01-17T16:26:24 < englishman> that's beagle, zyp ? 2018-01-17T16:26:29 < zyp> and you can dive into it to see the timing on the individual bus tokens involved if you prefer 2018-01-17T16:26:50 < zyp> englishman, yes, Total Phase Data Center is the software for beagle 2018-01-17T16:27:02 < englishman> ah k 2018-01-17T16:27:24 < sync> my scope does usb but it is not super useful for huge amounts of data 2018-01-17T16:27:40 < aandrew> englishman: sw is good for it, but if you can try usblyzer or even debugging/logging the issue in a win vm first (cheaper) 2018-01-17T16:28:05 < zyp> I read something about you only get the nice high level analyzers if you have at least the HS model though, so I'd be careful about cheaping out and getting the FS model instead 2018-01-17T16:28:47 < zyp> usblyzer has the same problems as wireshark, but maybe better dissectors 2018-01-17T16:28:53 < englishman> definitely getting hs 2018-01-17T16:29:20 < englishman> windows isnt an option, it's lunix apps or man-in-the-middle. 2018-01-17T16:29:39 < karlp> looks like it has a lot more dissectors out of the box now: https://code.wireshark.org/review/gitweb?p=wireshark.git;a=tree;f=epan/dissectors;hb=HEAD (serch for packet-usb-* 2018-01-17T16:30:21 < karlp> and you can write your own in lua without toooo much trouble: http://false.ekta.is/2013/11/decoding-vendor-specific-usb-protocols-with-wireshark-lua-plugins/ 2018-01-17T16:30:33 < karlp> but that's all still host level stuff 2018-01-17T16:31:30 < zyp> yeah, for reverse engineering stuff that makes sense 2018-01-17T16:31:39 < zyp> or even for your own custom stuff 2018-01-17T16:31:53 < zyp> wireshark excels at flexibility 2018-01-17T16:32:26 < qyx> does wireshrak support lua yet for dissectors? 2018-01-17T16:32:59 < qyx> I was annoyed in the past when I found out I need to recompile it to make my custom dissector 2018-01-17T16:33:14 < zyp> uh 2018-01-17T16:33:43 < zyp> when I were writing a custom dissector in 2011 or whenever that was, I just built a .so and loaded it 2018-01-17T16:34:35 < karlp> qyx: supported lua in dissectors back in 2013 when I wrote that, pretty sure it hasn't removed it :) 2018-01-17T16:55:32 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T16:55:54 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:00:08 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-17T17:00:28 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:09:22 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:18:08 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-17T17:26:04 -!- esden_cloud [uid32455@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xfvrlucjoajvmuat] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:34:45 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has quit [Quit: bye] 2018-01-17T17:35:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:35:41 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:37:17 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-17T17:48:17 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyydqbjt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:51:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.0.202] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:51:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.0.202] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-17T17:51:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:55:22 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T17:58:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-17T18:18:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T18:22:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-17T18:27:44 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T18:28:12 < jadew> I forsee a major bitcoin crash within a year, max 2 2018-01-17T18:28:49 < jadew> it has all the makings of a bubble 2018-01-17T18:28:59 < Ultrasauce> as opposed to one happening yesterday? 2018-01-17T18:29:14 < jadew> that wasn't a crash, but it's part of it 2018-01-17T18:29:23 < jadew> it will recover for a while 2018-01-17T18:29:47 < jadew> but a lot more people are buying into it, including people with no clue what it is about, simply because it keeps rising 2018-01-17T18:30:08 < jadew> when I say major, I mean it will lose at least 90% of its value 2018-01-17T18:30:56 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-17T18:31:38 < Steffanx> imho it kinda failed anyway. As soon as the "big" people jumped into trading it. 2018-01-17T18:32:15 < jadew> yeah, it's so volatile because of the large transactions single individuals can make that it's not a good choice for a currency 2018-01-17T18:32:49 < jadew> that's why government backed money is much safer 2018-01-17T18:32:59 < jadew> governments can buy and sell to maintain the exchange rate 2018-01-17T18:33:06 < jadew> and prevent collapses like this 2018-01-17T18:34:05 < Ultrasauce> well the whole point is decoupling the currency from the state. the problem is the "decentralized" tenet is bullshit both because a few mining pools control the whole consensus, and also because the protocol is controlled by a single firm 2018-01-17T18:34:11 < jadew> in hindsight, I should have bought some bitcoins when it was $100 2018-01-17T18:36:04 < Ultrasauce> so it's not hard for a few particular stakeholders to manipulate the whole ecosystem to profit 2018-01-17T18:36:18 < kikes> pump! 2018-01-17T18:37:56 < jadew> yep, doesn't even make sense that whoever started mining first should have so much more than the rest 2018-01-17T18:38:20 < jadew> if the difficulty was constant, it would be fine, but it wasn't 2018-01-17T18:38:37 < Ultrasauce> yeah the intrinsic deflation makes it even more ridiculous 2018-01-17T18:40:13 < Ultrasauce> and of course those few people quietly becoming billionaires inspires others to throw money at ICOs expanding the list of projects that will be dead and worthless in a few years 2018-01-17T18:40:17 < Ultrasauce> it's the new american dream 2018-01-17T18:40:36 < kikes> tell me what to eat today? 2018-01-17T18:40:43 < Ultrasauce> drink koolaid 2018-01-17T18:40:55 < Ultrasauce> not just any koolaid, THE koolaid 2018-01-17T18:41:16 < kikes> no koolaid here 2018-01-17T18:42:35 < qyx> is koolaid something like the raw water? 2018-01-17T18:42:58 < BrainDamage> it's a powder packet of sugary shit and slight fruity flavour that you dissolve in water 2018-01-17T18:43:01 < Ultrasauce> raw water is definitely koolaid, to be drunk both literally and figuratively 2018-01-17T18:43:51 < Ultrasauce> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid 2018-01-17T18:43:54 < BrainDamage> or if you're in in ritual mass suicide, that 2018-01-17T18:46:16 < Ultrasauce> kikes have you ever had lutefisk / lipeäkala? 2018-01-17T18:46:32 < BrainDamage> obviously not, since he's still alive 2018-01-17T18:47:39 < kikes> Ultrasauce, no 2018-01-17T18:47:53 < Ultrasauce> then that is my suggestion 2018-01-17T18:48:08 < Ultrasauce> please blog the experience 2018-01-17T18:48:11 < kikes> you know it needs quite a lot of preparation 2018-01-17T18:48:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T18:48:28 < BrainDamage> if you need a side dish, you could add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu 2018-01-17T18:49:11 < Ultrasauce> it's sold canned is it not? or am I thinking of something else 2018-01-17T18:49:18 < BrainDamage> no 2018-01-17T18:49:25 < BrainDamage> my father ate it once melted over a pizza 2018-01-17T18:49:33 < BrainDamage> i literally puked from the smell alone 2018-01-17T18:49:35 < Ultrasauce> oh yes surströmming 2018-01-17T18:50:25 < BrainDamage> if we're making a compilation, let's not forget hakarl 2018-01-17T18:50:54 < kikes> Ultrasauce, surströmming 2018-01-17T18:59:28 < ThomasK> Anyone experienced in LwIP? When I send something to the client, after sending the 8th string. the connection is lost. 2018-01-17T19:03:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T19:04:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-17T19:08:15 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-17T19:10:06 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T19:22:58 < kikes> I have eat idea 2018-01-17T19:23:02 < kikes> a pizza 2018-01-17T19:23:06 < kikes> frozen one 2018-01-17T19:23:36 < kikes> how convenient 2018-01-17T19:23:42 < kikes> same food than every day 2018-01-17T19:26:22 < zyp> 17:34:11 < jadew> in hindsight, I should have bought some bitcoins when it was $100 2018-01-17T19:26:31 < zyp> I bought some bitcoins when they were $8 2018-01-17T19:26:42 < zyp> in hindsight, I shouldn't have sold them at $30 2018-01-17T19:27:16 < kikes> were you in need of money? 2018-01-17T19:27:20 < zyp> or rather, I should, but I should have rebought them when it crashed to $2 shortly after 2018-01-17T19:27:49 < zyp> idk, this was 2011, it was just toy money at the time 2018-01-17T19:28:02 < zyp> which I could have bought a house for today 2018-01-17T19:28:23 < kikes> why did you sell 2018-01-17T19:28:59 < kikes> anyways no ragrets 2018-01-17T19:28:59 < zyp> because I was as pessimistic as jadew is today, I didn't see bitcoin going anywhere 2018-01-17T19:29:15 < kikes> well then it was about popularity 2018-01-17T19:29:42 < zyp> I started buying bitcoin again last summer 2018-01-17T19:29:50 < kikes> good 2018-01-17T19:29:54 < kikes> when did you sell? 2018-01-17T19:30:00 < zyp> haven't 2018-01-17T19:30:00 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T19:30:44 < kikes> how much? 2018-01-17T19:31:12 < kikes> hmm it's falling 2018-01-17T19:31:29 < zyp> not a lot 2018-01-17T19:31:45 < kikes> do you see where you should have sold 2018-01-17T19:31:55 < kikes> when it was all pumps 2018-01-17T19:32:08 < kikes> when there was this hype 2018-01-17T19:32:25 < zyp> it's always easy to say in retrospect when you should sell and when you should buy 2018-01-17T19:32:30 < zyp> harder to predict ahead of time 2018-01-17T19:33:12 < kikes> when if you were to have short time speculative profits when it was pumped in medias then was the time 2018-01-17T19:33:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-17T19:34:08 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T19:34:24 < zyp> kikes, so if you're an expert, can you tell me if I should sell or buy now? 2018-01-17T19:35:51 < kikes> is just peanuts or toy money? 2018-01-17T19:36:12 < zyp> at the moment I've got a four-digit amount worth of bitcoin 2018-01-17T19:36:23 < zyp> in dollars 2018-01-17T19:36:34 < jpa-> i bought some for 250e for fun, then sold 250e worth when the price had doubled, have been selling some more as the price kept going up 2018-01-17T19:36:39 < kikes> what day you bought it? 2018-01-17T19:36:50 < zyp> why does that matter? 2018-01-17T19:36:53 < jpa-> though after capital gain taxes i've probably won just some 50-100e 2018-01-17T19:37:07 < zyp> jpa-, hehe 2018-01-17T19:38:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T19:38:37 < jpa-> i'd predict bitcoin will rise a few times more, though not necessarily much higher than it did in december 2018-01-17T19:38:58 < zyp> I could have made the same prediction in 2011 :) 2018-01-17T19:38:59 < kikes> yes 2018-01-17T19:39:06 < jpa-> yeah 2018-01-17T19:39:23 < jpa-> i'd recommend not selling everything at once, but at smaller increments 2018-01-17T19:40:11 < zyp> well, that's what I did 2018-01-17T19:40:25 < zyp> I sold about half at $30, most of the rest after it dropped to $14 2018-01-17T19:40:30 < jpa-> yeah :) 2018-01-17T19:40:37 < zyp> kept one that I forgot about, until 2013 2018-01-17T19:40:38 < jpa-> you did everything right and now you are not rich 2018-01-17T19:41:00 < zyp> and then it were at $100, so I thought «cool, it's worth something again» and sold that as well 2018-01-17T19:42:03 < jadew> zyp, if it's going to follow the standard bubble shape 2018-01-17T19:42:06 < zyp> now I have a bit more worth, the bulk of which I bought in september last year 2018-01-17T19:42:19 < jadew> it's possible this is the crash and the recovery that will follow is also part of the crash 2018-01-17T19:42:24 < englishman> internet says its worth 10k, which is still 10k more than its actually worth 2018-01-17T19:42:30 < jadew> so it might recover for a bit and then pretty much free fall 2018-01-17T19:42:49 < zyp> so even after yesterday's crash, it's still worth almost double what I paid for it :p 2018-01-17T19:42:49 < jadew> I'm not sure how this recovery period is called 2018-01-17T19:42:53 < jpa-> i have 4 shares of bitcoin XBT and 3 shares of ethereum XBTE; i'll probably keep 1 of each "for ever" 2018-01-17T19:43:39 < kikes> zyp, I don't feel it's going up anyday soon 2018-01-17T19:43:39 < jpa-> jadew: rebound 2018-01-17T19:43:56 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-17T19:44:52 -!- MrMobius [680b4ee4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.11.78.228] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T19:45:35 < zyp> kikes, wanna take a bet? I could let you borrow my bitcoin for a couple of weeks, so you could sell them today and try to rebuy them cheaper later to give them back :p 2018-01-17T19:45:51 -!- esden_cloud [uid32455@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xfvrlucjoajvmuat] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-17T19:46:08 < jpa-> shortselling bitcoin is just the kind of crazy thing that i'd expect kikes to do 2018-01-17T19:46:26 < zyp> :) 2018-01-17T19:47:14 < kikes> buy low sell high 2018-01-17T19:47:47 < zyp> I've been wondering if I should buy more now that it has dropped to $10k-ish 2018-01-17T19:48:09 < zyp> when it dropped from $5k to $3k a couple of months ago, I did buy more 2018-01-17T19:48:20 < zyp> which in hindsight was a good decision 2018-01-17T19:48:34 < jadew> how much higher could it get? 2018-01-17T19:48:51 < zyp> but on the other hand, I'm not sure I want to invest more right now 2018-01-17T19:48:53 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T19:49:20 < zyp> jadew, $100k? $1M? who knows? 2018-01-17T19:49:32 < zyp> why exactly would $20k be the peak? 2018-01-17T19:49:47 < jpa-> that's the thing about bubbles; they can go crazy high 2018-01-17T19:50:03 < jadew> because most of that bitcoin costs about $1 in electricity and it's not backed by anything 2018-01-17T19:50:11 < jadew> but yeah, I'd be tempted to ride the bubble too 2018-01-17T19:50:55 < Steffanx> Can you buy dinner from "my" buttcoins yet zyp? 2018-01-17T19:51:13 < jadew> you have to sell them first to drug dealers 2018-01-17T19:51:14 < MrMobius> it will continue to go up in price forever 2018-01-17T19:51:23 < kikes> bitcoin is simple - when media hype fades out and mass gets saturated of pumpin you need to start picking date to sell at high in about 2 weeks 2018-01-17T19:51:25 < jadew> MrMobius, why? 2018-01-17T19:51:44 < MrMobius> jadew: same as dutchland tulips 2018-01-17T19:51:47 < kikes> when you hear nothing about it you start buying 2018-01-17T19:53:48 < kikes> but last media pump was the highest and I don't think it will repeat at that magnitude anymore as public knows buttcoin already 2018-01-17T19:53:57 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-17T19:54:08 < zyp> Steffanx, idk 2018-01-17T19:54:20 < zyp> a month ago it was $25, now it's only half :( 2018-01-17T19:57:14 < kikes> anyone use bitcoins as payments anywhere? 2018-01-17T19:57:28 < zyp> I have 2018-01-17T19:57:44 < kikes> can I get a tv or a car delivered to my door with bitcoins? 2018-01-17T19:57:50 < zyp> and I'm also intending to add bitcoin payment to the webshop where I sell my shit 2018-01-17T19:58:40 < zyp> is car delivered to your door even a thing? 2018-01-17T20:00:03 < kikes> i think it is and option for buying a car 2018-01-17T20:00:13 < kikes> but anyways 2018-01-17T20:00:26 < englishman> hyundai's equus was like that 2018-01-17T20:00:36 < englishman> no dealerships, salesman comes to your home 2018-01-17T20:01:43 < kikes> I assume when I buy a car in buttcoins it's delivered to my door and no questions asked in neather direction 2018-01-17T20:01:51 < zyp> haha 2018-01-17T20:03:17 < jpa-> s/my door/random abandoned building/ 2018-01-17T20:03:25 < kikes> yes 2018-01-17T20:06:49 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T20:08:06 < kikes> jpa-, why would you ride it forever anyways? Your gains are negative if you don't keep buing and selling 2018-01-17T20:08:28 < kikes> waiting for 1M to be reached.. then waiting for 10M 2018-01-17T20:09:09 < kikes> hypothethical 1M 2018-01-17T20:09:38 < qyx> I am waiting for my 20 ripples to go to 10M 2018-01-17T20:09:43 < jpa-> yeah, that's why "forever" not forever 2018-01-17T20:09:54 < zyp> kikes, that goes for any investment 2018-01-17T20:10:09 < jpa-> as in, until i feel like i could better use the money elsewhere 2018-01-17T20:10:35 < jpa-> whereas for the short term i plan to get rid of the other shares as the value rises 2018-01-17T20:11:00 < jpa-> if it then falls, well, i've cashed out on my gains 2018-01-17T20:11:21 < jpa-> and if it turns out to go to $10M, i'll be happy that i kept atleast one 2018-01-17T20:11:53 < jpa-> (nice thing about buying through ETF instead of directly is that i can deduct any losses) 2018-01-17T20:12:15 < zyp> you can do that in any case, no? 2018-01-17T20:12:22 < kikes> if it reaches 1M it's revolutionary 2018-01-17T20:12:25 < zyp> or does .fi have silly rules? 2018-01-17T20:13:01 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b829:dc87:af28:a679] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:13:09 < jpa-> .fi has silly rules, it doesn't recognize cryptocoins as investments directly 2018-01-17T20:13:09 < zyp> if you buy directly, I'd assume gains are taxable there, as well 2018-01-17T20:13:20 < zyp> and when gains are taxable, losses should be deductable as well 2018-01-17T20:13:45 < jpa-> according to tax office gains are taxable but losses are not deductible, though that is being challenged in court now i think 2018-01-17T20:14:19 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:15:20 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:15:30 < zyp> that makes no sense at all 2018-01-17T20:15:49 < jpa-> yeah, that is the general consensus, but taxation doesn't have to make sense 2018-01-17T20:16:26 < jpa-> nor anything else government decides.. they did also make our workdays 6 minutes longer to improve national economy 2018-01-17T20:16:49 < jadew> has anyone done PCB with custom stackup? 2018-01-17T20:17:13 < jadew> the cheap chinese manufacturers say they can do that, but they aren't putting a price on it 2018-01-17T20:17:16 < jadew> any ideas? 2018-01-17T20:18:08 < aandrew> jadew: yes 2018-01-17T20:18:22 < aandrew> multech does excellent work according to someone I trust with these matters 2018-01-17T20:18:56 < aandrew> jadew: generally if you stick to thicknesses that are multiples of their core/prepreg it isn't a big deal 2018-01-17T20:19:25 < jpa-> i'd expect the price to be that of a full panel + some extra for the setup 2018-01-17T20:19:32 < jadew> interesting, thanks 2018-01-17T20:19:34 < aandrew> pretty much 2018-01-17T20:19:42 < zyp> I did a design revision of a board with custom stackup requirements at my previous employer 2018-01-17T20:20:25 < zyp> just sent the boardhouse a file with a list of impedance requirements for each layer and left them to figure out the stackup to get the required impedance 2018-01-17T20:20:44 < jadew> I could work with any stackup really, but they don't seem to be too sure on what stackup you'll end up with for other thicknesses than 1.6mm 2018-01-17T20:20:58 < jadew> zyp, interesting 2018-01-17T20:21:30 < zyp> I weren't very involved in that process, the file already existed from the previous revision of the design 2018-01-17T20:22:12 < zyp> and I don't actually have any idea what happened to it either, because getting that design out was the last thing I did before I quit 2018-01-17T20:22:32 < zyp> maybe it turned out total shit :) 2018-01-17T20:22:37 < jadew> heh 2018-01-17T20:22:45 < jadew> I got fired today 2018-01-17T20:23:06 < jadew> was still working 2/h at the previous company but wasn't really doing anything anymore 2018-01-17T20:23:06 < zyp> aww 2018-01-17T20:23:10 < jadew> so they let me go 2018-01-17T20:23:15 < jadew> *2h/day 2018-01-17T20:23:39 < zyp> getting paid for 2h of irc trolling daily isn't too bad 2018-01-17T20:23:40 < jadew> sucks, but at least now I can focus on my other stuff 2018-01-17T20:23:49 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:b829:dc87:af28:a679] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T20:23:53 < jadew> or better said I _have to_ focus on it 2018-01-17T20:23:58 < jadew> zyp, yep 2018-01-17T20:24:49 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:7859:8dcf:705d:d5a3] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:24:59 < jadew> they actually offered me more work a couple of months back, but I basically said their current team sucks and I don't want to work with them 2018-01-17T20:25:14 < jadew> I said that if they have some solo projects, I can do them 2018-01-17T20:25:32 < jadew> turns out they don't hehe 2018-01-17T20:25:41 < kikes> zyp, https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jessecolombo/files/2014/02/stages_bubble.png 2018-01-17T20:25:41 < zyp> haha 2018-01-17T20:26:17 < jadew> kikes, that's the curve I was referring to 2018-01-17T20:26:30 < jadew> of course, you don't know how long that return to normal takes 2018-01-17T20:26:41 < zyp> seen it before 2018-01-17T20:26:57 < zyp> so, are we now in the bear trap? :) 2018-01-17T20:27:16 < jadew> in Romania, when the housing market crashed, the government managed to smoothen that fall to the point that it's now reasonably stable 2018-01-17T20:27:50 < jadew> but that meant the introduction of some crazy government programs that encourage loaning 2018-01-17T20:28:06 < kikes> zyp, it depends on perspective 2018-01-17T20:28:40 < jadew> zyp, heh, that would be nice 2018-01-17T20:28:54 < jadew> 2 years from now you'd be buying us all new oscilloscopes :P 2018-01-17T20:28:57 < Rob235> mmm cookie butter 2018-01-17T20:29:03 < kikes> if you think it's a bear trap it's crash and if you think it's crash it's bear trap 2018-01-17T20:29:31 < jadew> kikes, so zyp should bail out and I should start investing? 2018-01-17T20:30:42 < kikes> I can not say for you 2018-01-17T20:30:53 < kikes> I'm to blame then 2018-01-17T20:30:57 < englishman> just bet with other people's money 2018-01-17T20:31:46 < kikes> people are still going to lose and gain their money 2018-01-17T20:32:46 < kikes> zyp, sell for what you invested 2018-01-17T20:33:02 < zyp> why? 2018-01-17T20:34:12 < jadew> I plan to invest in the blow off phase 2018-01-17T20:34:27 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyydqbjt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-17T20:34:52 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyydqbjt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:36:01 < jadew> what's interesting about the bitcoin bubble is that it's very sharp 2018-01-17T20:36:25 < jadew> the feedback loop is much tighter than with other stuff (houses for example) 2018-01-17T20:37:31 < aandrew> houses have value 2018-01-17T20:37:33 < aandrew> bitcoin has none 2018-01-17T20:37:35 < jadew> yeah 2018-01-17T20:37:36 < aandrew> it's entirely speculative 2018-01-17T20:37:48 < kikes> to have money you invested zyp 2018-01-17T20:37:59 < kikes> it's not going to shoot up tommorrow 2018-01-17T20:37:59 < jadew> I'm afraid that when the other side of the curve will start to go down, people won't even have time to react 2018-01-17T20:38:04 < kikes> or next month 2018-01-17T20:38:53 < jadew> I mean, it looks like the crash, denial and return to normal, all happened in 2-3 days 2018-01-17T20:39:07 < kikes> what are you reffering to? 2018-01-17T20:39:22 < jadew> of course, it might not be _the_ crash 2018-01-17T20:39:47 < jadew> well, the bitcoin lost 50% of its value this week 2018-01-17T20:39:58 < jadew> then gained back a bit 2018-01-17T20:40:15 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T20:40:19 < jadew> so if we were to follow that curve, it's new paradigm, denial and return to normal all in 3 days or so 2018-01-17T20:40:55 < kikes> you need to put that graph thru a filter and not even try to hit any high spikes or events that happen in days 2018-01-17T20:41:09 < kikes> smooth all the spikes out 2018-01-17T20:41:20 < jadew> kikes, 50% off is not a spike 2018-01-17T20:41:48 < jadew> and that's my point, it happened so fast it looks like a spike 2018-01-17T20:42:04 < jadew> but it's probably just because it has a much faster feedback loop than other kind of bubbles 2018-01-17T20:42:10 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:42:23 < jadew> even its growth was extremely accelerated compared to others 2018-01-17T20:42:33 < jadew> *kinds 2018-01-17T20:44:16 < kikes> https://www.coindesk.com/price/ 2018-01-17T20:46:17 < kikes> to underline the media pump I mean 2018-01-17T20:46:44 < kikes> see google trends for bitcoin + any related word 2018-01-17T20:46:49 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-17T20:47:19 < upgrdman> cockchain 2018-01-17T20:47:21 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@ip5f585915.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:49:40 < kikes> word bitcoin media pump saturated in early december 2018-01-17T20:50:40 < kikes> sell inside 2weeks of that 2018-01-17T20:52:17 < kikes> and that is what I mean you need to filter spikes out of general trend 2018-01-17T20:52:22 < kikes> general 2018-01-17T20:55:08 < kikes> if you see big spike comming it's not what you need to be looking at but all the signs 2018-01-17T20:55:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-73ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T20:57:12 < kikes> bitcoin is simple - when media hype fades out and mass gets saturated of pumpin you need to start picking date to sell at high in about 2 weeks 2018-01-17T20:57:42 < Steffanx> or you just dont give a shit about buttcoin. 2018-01-17T20:57:55 < upgrdman> opengl pros: i think i have a problem related to poor z resolution in my z-buffer. what determines the range of z values used by the z-buffer? 2018-01-17T20:58:28 < upgrdman> and are the stores as floats, or is it some shit 8bit int? 2018-01-17T20:58:30 < kikes> Steffanx, after all.. should I? 2018-01-17T20:58:33 < upgrdman> guessing int :/ 2018-01-17T20:59:04 < kikes> sure it's an investment into an idea 2018-01-17T20:59:17 < kikes> higher that gaining profits 2018-01-17T21:02:39 < kikes> but I don't see it 2018-01-17T21:08:49 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@ip5f585915.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-17T21:09:03 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T21:15:20 < Ultrasauce> upgrdman: its type depends on the surface created by the opengl context 2018-01-17T21:15:37 < upgrdman> hmm 2018-01-17T21:15:39 < Ultrasauce> you can probably cajole it into using floats 2018-01-17T21:15:45 < Ultrasauce> idk anything about jogl 2018-01-17T21:16:15 < upgrdman> jogl == opengl but prefix all functions with "gl." and prefix all #defines with "GL." :) 2018-01-17T21:16:35 < upgrdman> any idea how to cajole? 2018-01-17T21:16:38 < Ultrasauce> yeah but how it creates the context and how to configure it is an unknown to me 2018-01-17T21:16:50 < upgrdman> just rendering to the screen for now, not an offscreen framebuffer/texture 2018-01-17T21:16:54 < upgrdman> o ok 2018-01-17T21:16:57 < Ultrasauce> also make sure your near and far planes set for the projection matrix are sane 2018-01-17T21:17:06 < Ultrasauce> if far is too far you lose a lot of resolution 2018-01-17T21:17:07 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-17T21:21:10 < Ultrasauce> if worst comes to worst you can also use glPolygonOffset to fix specific zfighting issues, or even disable depth testing and use the painter's algorithm 2018-01-17T21:24:03 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T21:24:08 < kikes> http://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/US-margin-debt-NYSE-2017-02-percentage-change.png 2018-01-17T21:24:20 < stvn> ##blog32 2018-01-17T21:27:55 < stvn> wake up steffan 2018-01-17T21:28:30 < Ultrasauce> https://www.opengl.org/archives/resources/faq/technical/depthbuffer.htm#dept0045 more info on how the frustum affects precision here upgrdman 2018-01-17T21:28:51 < upgrdman> thx! 2018-01-17T21:30:46 < jpa-> yeah, znear and zfar are important 2018-01-17T21:31:18 < jpa-> apparently zbuffer is usually atleast 16 bits, 24 bits is usually also supported 2018-01-17T21:31:44 < jpa-> glGetIntegerv(GL_DEPTH_BITS, &actualbits); 2018-01-17T21:31:51 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-17T21:32:03 < upgrdman> hmm 2018-01-17T21:32:08 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T21:32:22 < kikes> 21:32PM 2018-01-17T21:32:28 < kikes> should I go grocery shoppin 2018-01-17T21:32:31 < kikes> or pump 2018-01-17T21:33:25 < upgrdman> both 2018-01-17T21:33:31 < BrainDam1> pump and dump 2018-01-17T21:36:55 < stvn> lol 2018-01-17T21:37:37 < kikes> ye 2018-01-17T21:38:18 < kikes> there is positive signals from goldman sachs for buttcoin from early january 2018-01-17T21:38:50 < BrainDam1> honestly all bankers have an hardon for buttcoins 2018-01-17T21:38:57 < kikes> yes 2018-01-17T21:39:05 < BrainDam1> because blockchain, not because it deserves it 2018-01-17T21:39:14 < BrainDam1> because blockchain, not because it deserves it 2018-01-17T21:39:17 < BrainDam1> bleh 2018-01-17T21:39:35 < kikes> hardon for cryptocurrencies 2018-01-17T21:39:38 < BrainDam1> don't understimate the power of buzzwords 2018-01-17T21:40:56 < kikes> should I eat bacon and eggs.. at night? 2018-01-17T21:43:15 < upgrdman> yes, lots 2018-01-17T21:43:16 < Ultrasauce> it's morning somewhere 2018-01-17T21:49:08 < MrMobius> im about to use telephone wire to solder this key matrix 2018-01-17T21:49:11 < MrMobius> no one can stop me 2018-01-17T21:49:42 < kikes> use telephone to exit the matrix 2018-01-17T22:01:49 < stvn> i use telephone 2018-01-17T22:02:34 < stvn> i find telephone wire (stranded conductors) useful 2018-01-17T22:03:53 < upgrdman> phone is what, rj11? 2018-01-17T22:04:02 < upgrdman> 4 conductors? 2018-01-17T22:04:23 < stvn> yeah muscles 2018-01-17T22:04:39 < stvn> there is a surplus of that garbage 2018-01-17T22:04:51 < stvn> i use it for wire links on crappy circuit boards 2018-01-17T22:05:41 < stvn> that was before plan.b 2018-01-17T22:05:52 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T22:07:57 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-17T22:17:04 < kikes> https://i.redd.it/iwl7vz69cea01.gif 2018-01-17T22:20:33 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-17T22:23:50 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T22:29:24 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T22:29:39 < rene-dev> any lwip experts here? 2018-01-17T22:31:08 < kikes> many 2018-01-17T22:31:34 < kikes> ask 2018-01-17T22:31:43 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T22:32:05 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-17T22:32:42 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T22:33:37 < BrainDam1> exit 2018-01-17T22:33:47 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-17T22:34:32 < rene-dev> Im having packet drops on rx 2018-01-17T22:34:43 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-17T22:34:47 < kikes> what is your mcu? 2018-01-17T22:34:53 < rene-dev> lwip is running in main loop, nothing else is running on the mcu 2018-01-17T22:34:56 < rene-dev> stm32f407 2018-01-17T22:35:04 < rene-dev> Im looking at ETH->MMCRGUFCR 2018-01-17T22:35:39 < rene-dev> no crc or alignment errors are reported... 2018-01-17T22:36:15 -!- BrainDam3 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-17T22:36:18 < rene-dev> if ETH->MMCRGUFCR tells me that there are packages, but lwip does not process all of them 2018-01-17T22:38:14 < kikes> why is kicad loading every time I want to place a new schematic component 2018-01-17T22:38:23 < kikes> was it like this before? 2018-01-17T22:39:07 < rene-dev> because kicad 2018-01-17T22:39:20 < jpa-> are you using online (github) libraries without a local cache folder? 2018-01-17T22:40:24 < kikes> well hell.. can't this shiet still cache anything? 2018-01-17T22:40:34 < kikes> I just literally added a component 30seconds ago 2018-01-17T22:40:44 < kikes> rage to > ##kicad 2018-01-17T23:01:07 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-17T23:01:32 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T23:07:03 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-17T23:30:43 < Steffanx> Lo 2018-01-17T23:42:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-73ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-17T23:55:32 < kikes> I need rather high voltage inexpensive linear regulator for mcu and shiet like leds 2018-01-17T23:55:58 < kikes> input must withstand lorry electrical system 2018-01-17T23:56:59 < sync> not gonna be inexpensive then 2018-01-17T23:57:14 < kikes> I could copy from competitor desing 2018-01-17T23:57:30 < kikes> actually no 2018-01-17T23:57:42 < kikes> theirs fall short at 24V 2018-01-17T23:57:47 < kikes> it goes into fault mode --- Day changed Thu Jan 18 2018 2018-01-18T00:01:13 < kikes> when it says 12v-24v consumer may assume it works for trucks too 2018-01-18T00:01:36 < kikes> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/linear-regulators/MAX16910.html 2018-01-18T00:01:42 < kikes> there it is 2018-01-18T00:02:37 < kikes> have anything better? 2018-01-18T00:02:39 < Ultrasauce> LM2937 does more current and handles worse transients 2018-01-18T00:03:44 < kikes> thanks 2018-01-18T00:04:14 < kikes> and it's rather simple too 2018-01-18T00:04:32 < upgrdman> quiescent curren is 10mA thoug 2018-01-18T00:04:43 < upgrdman> thats more than 100x 2018-01-18T00:05:14 < upgrdman> er 50x, but still 2018-01-18T00:05:44 < kikes> unacceptable 2018-01-18T00:06:06 < Ultrasauce> yeah they're definitely parts of different eras 2018-01-18T00:06:30 < kikes> hundreds of microamps could do 2018-01-18T00:06:38 < kikes> tens of milliamps wont 2018-01-18T00:11:19 < kikes> http://www.ti.com/product/LM2936 getting closer 2018-01-18T00:11:30 < kikes> too tired to do parametrized search 2018-01-18T00:13:19 < kikes> https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX16910.pdf 2018-01-18T00:13:24 < kikes> there 2018-01-18T00:25:22 < kikes> I have 10000lumen alarm light 2018-01-18T00:25:43 < kikes> place looks like sun was shining directly into room 2018-01-18T00:25:58 < kikes> also it goes of when I'm late from work 2018-01-18T00:26:23 < kikes> or about to be 2018-01-18T00:42:13 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-18T00:50:02 < jadew> what year do you put on a PCB? the year when it was designed or the year of the last modification? or the current year? 2018-01-18T00:53:17 < zyp> none? 2018-01-18T00:53:34 < jadew> I guess that's an option too 2018-01-18T00:53:52 < zyp> but if I had to put a year, I guess it'd be the year of the design revision, i.e. last modification 2018-01-18T00:54:34 < jadew> yeah, that seems right to me too 2018-01-18T00:56:44 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-18T00:57:50 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:7859:8dcf:705d:d5a3] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-18T00:59:15 < sync> I usually just put the githash on there 2018-01-18T00:59:22 < sync> if I even bother 2018-01-18T00:59:28 < jadew> for revisioning? 2018-01-18T01:00:40 < jadew> all my boards are Rev. A (since I didn't sell any yet) and I keep an internal revision number that I write with a marker on the box they come in and on the boards 2018-01-18T01:00:47 < jadew> and I also use it as a tag in git 2018-01-18T01:02:11 < zyp> I tend to give them a version number tuple 2018-01-18T01:03:06 < jadew> I figured that when I get it right and I'm happy with the result I can start production with those boards 2018-01-18T01:03:08 < sync> I don't use git tags 2018-01-18T01:03:14 < jadew> and I kinda want to start clean, so Rev. A 2018-01-18T01:03:51 < jadew> well, if you have the git hash there, sure 2018-01-18T01:03:58 < zyp> I don't bother too much with git for pcbs 2018-01-18T01:04:00 < jadew> but b1 reads more easily than 298jsdaf98j 2018-01-18T01:04:10 < zyp> I should, but I haven't 2018-01-18T01:04:27 < jadew> not much different than with code 2018-01-18T01:05:29 < zyp> git is much less useful when you're not storing hand-written/maintained text in it (or have appropriate diff tools hooked up to it) 2018-01-18T01:06:06 < zyp> and I don't imagine I'd make many revisions either 2018-01-18T01:06:11 < jadew> yeah, but I only use it in case I screw something up 2018-01-18T01:06:13 < zyp> commits* 2018-01-18T01:06:14 < jadew> I can just revert 2018-01-18T01:06:34 < zyp> altium maintains a save history anyway, I don't need git for that 2018-01-18T01:06:51 < zyp> (and it snapshots much more often than I would commit) 2018-01-18T01:06:54 < jadew> yeah, altium compresses stuff 2018-01-18T01:07:02 < jadew> I use kicad 2018-01-18T01:11:22 < aandrew> I use git with altium 2018-01-18T01:11:25 < aandrew> I don't trust autosave shit 2018-01-18T01:19:40 < karlp> BrainDamage: hákarl isn't really thhat bad, I find the hrútspungur much worse. 2018-01-18T01:27:05 < karlp> kikes: tps709 can do 32 or somethign volts? 2018-01-18T01:27:24 < karlp> not really sure that counts for "24v" vehicles though 2018-01-18T01:28:46 < karlp> bitcoin's onen thing, but the amount of hype about using "blockchain technology" for _everything_ is fucking the worstt 2018-01-18T01:29:08 < aandrew> amen to that 2018-01-18T01:29:21 < aandrew> I don't understand how blockchain can even usefully apply to half the shit that's touting it 2018-01-18T01:30:10 * karlp either 2018-01-18T01:33:00 < jadew> I don't even know what blockchain is 2018-01-18T01:33:13 < jadew> I know it's related to bitcoin, but I never looked deep enough into how it works 2018-01-18T01:36:07 < karlp> we're going to magically verify thinngs.... by... using more power to do it! 2018-01-18T01:36:19 < karlp> instead of any of the existinng verification methods that simply don't have bitcoin cool on it. 2018-01-18T01:36:53 < karlp> like this shit: Hhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-energy-blockchain/bp-shell-lead-plan-for-blockchain-based-platform-for-energy-trading-idUSKBN1D612I 2018-01-18T01:38:00 < jadew> sounds like VC grabbing schemes 2018-01-18T01:39:57 < jadew> those $5/10 10x10 boards deals are great, I can't believe they exist 2018-01-18T01:40:29 < jadew> you can test so much on a 10x10 PCB 2018-01-18T01:41:12 < karlp> what was the one kakmir shared other day? $2.49, with free shippinng? 2018-01-18T01:41:22 < jadew> no way... 2018-01-18T01:41:24 < jadew> link? 2018-01-18T01:41:43 < karlp> ah, here https://jlcpcb.com/ 2018-01-18T01:41:49 < karlp> was from #libopencm3 2018-01-18T01:42:02 < jadew> wow 2018-01-18T01:42:12 < karlp> cheeep 2018-01-18T01:42:17 < jadew> hmm, it's already bookmarked 2018-01-18T01:42:28 < karlp> yeah, I pasted it here thehh other day 2018-01-18T01:42:33 < karlp> trying to get someone else to order some :) 2018-01-18T01:42:41 < jadew> haha 2018-01-18T01:42:54 < karlp> hey, I've got nothing I need built right now 2018-01-18T01:44:03 < jadew> I have the perfect thing 2018-01-18T01:44:41 < jadew> I was going to measure the dielectric constant for the elecrow FR4 2018-01-18T01:44:48 < jadew> I can send a board to these guys too 2018-01-18T01:45:27 < jadew> s/the// 2018-01-18T01:45:33 < jadew> ah, no, it's ok 2018-01-18T01:46:07 < jadew> I'll add some silkscreen tests too 2018-01-18T02:08:05 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-18T02:09:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T02:16:21 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T02:43:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-18T02:58:43 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-18T03:07:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-18T03:20:52 < BrainDamage> re blockchains: it's actually not well defined in the first place, as in the concept of blochain is not even mentioned in the original paper explicitly and sorta become an emergent term 2018-01-18T03:21:27 < BrainDamage> i find this article rather good in offering both a decent definition and a good criticism of the shortcomings https://tonyarcieri.com/on-the-dangers-of-a-blockchain-monoculture 2018-01-18T03:32:05 < englishman> brainy any ideas what to do with blackpowder and 35 second-per-foot fuse 2018-01-18T03:33:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T03:38:21 < BrainDamage> do you know the burn rate? 2018-01-18T03:38:33 < BrainDamage> you could diy a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator 2018-01-18T03:38:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-18T03:38:53 < englishman> FFFFg 2018-01-18T03:39:40 < BrainDamage> diy is a helical generator is rather possible 2018-01-18T03:39:46 < englishman> interesting, but i feel that could be better calculated with smokeless powder 2018-01-18T03:40:05 < branjb> ##stm32 learns to make bombs 2018-01-18T03:40:45 < englishman> my car's engine rotates at 15,000 bombs per minute 2018-01-18T03:41:52 < BrainDamage> the other possibility would be adding a binder to slow the burn and make a rocket 2018-01-18T03:42:38 < BrainDamage> you don't even need to be exact, just empircally mix some amounts of epoxy and powder, and burn 2018-01-18T03:42:44 < englishman> model rockets are already much cheaper than blackpowder tho 2018-01-18T03:43:09 < BrainDamage> those are rather small amounts 2018-01-18T03:43:38 < englishman> yes but unregulated 2018-01-18T03:45:13 < englishman> also id worry about making a homogeneous mixture 2018-01-18T03:46:07 < BrainDamage> the problem is not the homogeneity on the vertical axis, rather than radial axis 2018-01-18T03:46:30 < BrainDamage> you can spin the tube as you fuel it to improve that 2018-01-18T03:47:25 < BrainDamage> do you have a ball mill btw 2018-01-18T03:47:32 < englishman> i have a dremel 2018-01-18T03:48:30 < BrainDamage> a ball mill is a mill to churn the powder, all you need is a slow revolving motor, a container with some indentures, and some non-ESD balls 2018-01-18T03:48:53 < englishman> i think smokeless powder is the way to go for a lot of this 2018-01-18T03:49:05 < BrainDamage> I've made one with a 2L soda bottle, and ceramic ball bearings 2018-01-18T03:49:21 < BrainDamage> well, it's useful in any case if you're dealing with powder 2018-01-18T03:49:47 < BrainDamage> because generally you need to be able to do corning 2018-01-18T03:54:49 < englishman> why tho, isnt that done before i purchase it 2018-01-18T03:55:17 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ntfreak, akaWolf, kuldeep, hexo_, Adluc, ds2, dobson 2018-01-18T03:55:17 < englishman> like it's already FFFFg 2018-01-18T03:55:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ds2, akaWolf 2018-01-18T03:55:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ntfreak 2018-01-18T03:55:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kuldeep 2018-01-18T03:56:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dobson 2018-01-18T03:57:00 < BrainDamage> ah sorry, missed that 2018-01-18T03:57:27 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-18T03:57:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: hexo_ 2018-01-18T03:58:00 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-18T03:58:06 < BrainDamage> do you plan to diy a musket? :P 2018-01-18T03:59:27 < MrMobius> blunderbuss 2018-01-18T03:59:33 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T04:00:05 -!- tcurdt [~tcurdt@5.189.136.58] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T04:00:08 -!- marble_visions [~marble_vi@46.101.108.79] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T04:00:24 < englishman> no, you can buy blackpowder much cheaper in compressed pellets 2018-01-18T04:00:29 < englishman> for gunz 2018-01-18T04:00:56 < englishman> although i may get a blackpowder riffle for unrelated reasons 2018-01-18T04:01:09 < jadew> check this out, if you want to make a trapezoid pad in kicad you have to do math on the side in order to get the values you need 2018-01-18T04:01:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T04:01:49 < jadew> you get to enter a width and then a value that subtracts and adds to that width, in order to create the top and bottom sides of the trapezoid 2018-01-18T04:02:26 < englishman> lo 2018-01-18T04:02:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T04:02:39 < BrainDamage> a lack of feature is tollerable, the issue is when present features actively fuck you over 2018-01-18T04:02:57 < BrainDamage> such as the overall workflow 2018-01-18T04:03:19 < jadew> I've spent more than an hour and a half on this footprint and all I want to do is add some vias to it 2018-01-18T04:03:24 < jadew> it's a 4 pin component... 2018-01-18T04:04:04 < jadew> and I know it's been more than one hour and a half because I'm watching some stuffed cabbage my wife's making and I have to go over there every 30 minutes 2018-01-18T04:04:36 < englishman> what component? 2018-01-18T04:04:43 < jadew> it's a MMIC 2018-01-18T04:04:48 < englishman> link 2018-01-18T04:04:52 < englishman> il do it in altidumb 2018-01-18T04:04:56 < englishman> and you can time me 2018-01-18T04:05:19 < jadew> it's fine, I'm sure it'll take less time to do it 2018-01-18T04:05:45 -!- zyp [zyp@zyp.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-18T04:05:46 < jadew> just make a pad that's square with a trapezoidal edge and add some vias 2018-01-18T04:05:49 < englishman> using the time difference and your salary you can calculate the rate of return of an altidumb license 2018-01-18T04:06:00 < jadew> I have no salary 2018-01-18T04:06:01 < jadew> so it's 0 2018-01-18T04:06:41 < jadew> but yeah, I'll probably get altium at some point 2018-01-18T04:06:53 < jadew> that, or I'll start contributing to kicad 2018-01-18T04:08:06 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/W73Jefk.png 2018-01-18T04:08:07 < englishman> like this 2018-01-18T04:08:14 < jadew> yeah 2018-01-18T04:08:34 < jadew> did you just make that? 2018-01-18T04:08:38 < englishman> yes 2018-01-18T04:08:41 < BrainDamage> are you making a wideband LNA? 2018-01-18T04:09:22 < jadew> BrainDamage, no, right now I'm just redoing my footprints 2018-01-18T04:09:37 < jadew> for stuff like this I had to do poligon pours for each component 2018-01-18T04:09:49 < jadew> in order to get the pads the shape I want (after adding them to the PCB) 2018-01-18T04:09:54 < englishman> altidumb too 2018-01-18T04:09:55 < jadew> and I figured I should make a proper footprint 2018-01-18T04:10:11 < jadew> englishman, ah, you can't have that in the footprint? 2018-01-18T04:10:31 < englishman> no this is in the footprint generator 2018-01-18T04:10:44 < englishman> but the pad is made by making a pour and putting a pad inside 2018-01-18T04:10:58 < englishman> that's just how pads of arbitrary shape are done in altidongs 2018-01-18T04:11:02 < jadew> yeah, that's fine, in kicad you have to put a pad, then another pad on top of it 2018-01-18T04:11:12 < jadew> of a different shape 2018-01-18T04:11:22 < jadew> so you make the pad out of many pads 2018-01-18T04:28:28 < jsoft> How much bloat does HAL introduce ? 2018-01-18T04:28:33 < jsoft> In terms of flash use 2018-01-18T04:30:06 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/UnsightlyInsidiousBasil 2018-01-18T04:31:11 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/BNvJI5S.jpg 2018-01-18T04:31:15 < jadew> wonder what his plan was, cuz it's not obvious 2018-01-18T04:31:28 < jadew> haha BrainDamage 2018-01-18T04:31:43 < sync> V old BrainDamage 2018-01-18T04:31:54 < BrainDamage> new2me 2018-01-18T04:33:12 < BrainDamage> man i need a sane sleeping pattern, crashing asleep at 8 and waking up mid night sucks 2018-01-18T04:34:07 < englishman> jsoft: depends 2018-01-18T04:34:48 < englishman> hal+some periphs+usb was 10-12k iirc 2018-01-18T04:35:23 < jsoft> Im not really doing A whole lot in terms of actual program, just some basic uart stuff, adc, annnd GPIO toggling. But its up to like 27k. 2018-01-18T04:35:25 < englishman> BrainDamage apparently this is how humans slept until only a few hundred years ago 2018-01-18T04:35:38 < englishman> they went back to sleep after an hour or so and woke up again at dawn 2018-01-18T04:37:37 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/At-Days-Close-Night-Times/dp/0393329011 2018-01-18T04:37:42 < BrainDamage> i wonder how much people were time-pressed before personal watches become widespread 2018-01-18T04:39:21 < englishman> well ekrich postulates that since work was most dependent on the presence of the sun, the midsleep period was actually the peasant's leisure time 2018-01-18T04:40:16 < BrainDamage> more like how scheduling appointments worked 2018-01-18T04:41:22 < BrainDamage> 'see you this afternoon' would need many hours of tollerance 2018-01-18T04:42:14 < englishman> it was this way just 15 years ago 2018-01-18T04:42:18 < englishman> before cellphones were prevalent 2018-01-18T04:42:55 < BrainDamage> no way, personal watches, even mechanical ones were available since 2 centuries or more 2018-01-18T04:44:30 < BrainDamage> as for the skate, he wanted to do a backflip and land on his feet 2018-01-18T04:44:47 < BrainDamage> but the desk was too slick 2018-01-18T04:59:46 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/mOgcHM0.jpg 2018-01-18T05:16:06 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T05:17:37 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-18T05:17:58 < jsoft> Wow. 2k vs 7k LL vs HAL 2018-01-18T05:18:05 < jsoft> On a bare bones nothing going on project 2018-01-18T05:18:46 < MrMobius> just get the 2mb flash part bro 2018-01-18T05:18:53 < jsoft> lol. 2018-01-18T05:18:57 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-18T05:19:03 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-18T05:19:12 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T05:30:11 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: BoyHolthausen, aandrew, hansihe, varesa| 2018-01-18T05:30:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aandrew 2018-01-18T05:31:51 -!- hansihe [sid106603@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjlcpakolwumjygk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T05:32:30 -!- BoyHolthausen [boyholthau@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ijeqsgjgilwsqalk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T05:35:46 < jsoft> What do you cat's use? LL? CMSIS ? 2018-01-18T05:45:10 < srk> what's LL? 2018-01-18T05:48:03 < upgrdman> cmsis 2018-01-18T05:48:12 < upgrdman> srk, low-level. a lib from stm 2018-01-18T05:52:39 < srk> k 2018-01-18T06:05:04 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-18T06:08:57 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T06:18:20 < upgrdman> wow, didnt think Hobbico would go bankrupt. http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2018-01-10/hobbico-files-bankruptcy-layoffs-next.html 2018-01-18T06:23:24 < sync> ah rip estes and revell 2018-01-18T06:26:38 < jsoft> I want to put a 'timeout' on a uart read request. So I want to loop around waiting for the RXNE bit to go high, but I need a way to check the time elapsed while I am doing this. Any suggestions on the best way to do this? 2018-01-18T06:29:06 < englishman> LL is cool but the code is ugly, and still less features than stdperiphlib 2018-01-18T06:29:24 < englishman> systick? 2018-01-18T06:29:48 < englishman> or spin up a global microsecond counter somewhere 2018-01-18T06:30:14 < jsoft> englishman, thanks, I just stumbled apon it 2018-01-18T06:30:35 < jsoft> so systick is just a counter based off some clock source right? 2018-01-18T06:30:50 < jsoft> in this case it seems to be the HCLK 2018-01-18T06:33:22 -!- varesa_ [~varesa@52.49.18.111] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T06:33:31 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-18T06:36:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T06:37:08 -!- varesa_ is now known as varesa| 2018-01-18T06:37:23 < jsoft> Hmm this is cool 2018-01-18T06:44:23 < jsoft> I quite like these L0 chips, so many options 2018-01-18T06:51:44 < englishman> yeah l0 is awesome 2018-01-18T06:52:01 < englishman> yes systick is a native arm-cortex clock 2018-01-18T07:03:34 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T07:06:26 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-18T07:06:39 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-18T07:06:43 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-18T07:07:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-18T07:29:07 < jsoft> Man these LL libs are nice 2018-01-18T07:29:18 < jsoft> compared to HAL at least 2018-01-18T07:29:53 < jsoft> This is enjoyable, as it is more involved and less bloaty and I have a lot more of an idea of what its doing 2018-01-18T07:33:08 < jsoft> And this systick thing is awesome. 2018-01-18T07:33:28 < jsoft> Got a wee milliseconds global going on, clear it and check it for a timer... simple 2018-01-18T07:37:58 -!- munki_ [munki@fm.synthte.ch] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 2018-01-18T07:39:13 -!- munki [~munki@fm.synthte.ch] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T07:39:13 -!- munki is now known as munki_ 2018-01-18T07:56:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T07:57:44 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-18T08:31:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-59ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T08:33:39 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-163-187.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T08:34:11 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-18T08:45:57 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-18T08:46:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T08:46:26 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T08:49:48 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-18T08:54:08 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyydqbjt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-18T08:57:45 -!- zyp [zyp@zyp.no] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T09:10:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-18T09:16:31 < zyp> good morning 2018-01-18T09:17:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-59ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-18T09:17:40 < zyp> wrong language, I'm not swedish 2018-01-18T09:18:41 < zyp> not really 2018-01-18T09:21:05 < zyp> guess you could say that 2018-01-18T09:21:45 < zyp> no 2018-01-18T09:23:31 < zyp> I live in the south of norway now, but I grew up in the north 2018-01-18T09:24:27 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T09:24:30 < zyp> temperature in either case doesn't go much below 0C because of the proximity to the sea and heat from the ocean 2018-01-18T09:25:03 < zyp> -10..-15 maybe, but not much colder 2018-01-18T09:25:27 < zyp> go a bit further into the country away from the coast and you'll see -25 easily 2018-01-18T09:25:51 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-163-187.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-18T09:26:14 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T09:27:02 < zyp> sami people 2018-01-18T09:28:29 < zyp> about as much as native americans are american, I figure 2018-01-18T09:29:36 < zyp> well, there's sami people in northwest russia too 2018-01-18T09:30:52 < zyp> haha 2018-01-18T09:45:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T10:09:12 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T10:18:10 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T10:56:06 < jsoft> Any ideas why my SysTick_Handler() might not be getting called? 2018-01-18T11:01:58 < zyp> maybe you haven't enabled systick? 2018-01-18T11:02:14 < zyp> look at the systick counter register, check if it changes 2018-01-18T11:02:28 < zyp> if it doesn't, it's not running 2018-01-18T11:06:44 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-18T11:11:14 -!- MrMobius [680b4ee4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.11.78.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-18T11:11:32 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T11:16:25 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T11:25:00 < jsoft> how come systick->VAL and what not are taking over 2018-01-18T11:25:09 < jsoft> I thought it was handled from SysTick_Handler 2018-01-18T11:25:26 < jsoft> SysTick->VAL is indeed changing, counting down 2018-01-18T11:51:34 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T11:58:06 < stvn> the white cat 2018-01-18T12:03:16 < Steffanx> Green. 2018-01-18T12:04:11 < stvn> hi sir 2018-01-18T12:04:30 < stvn> after all that time 2018-01-18T12:04:45 < stvn> i have a friend coming to drop off an active speaker (faulty) 2018-01-18T12:06:58 < Steffanx> O no.. 2018-01-18T12:07:48 < stvn> bit of a fucken weekend project 2018-01-18T12:07:57 < stvn> only doing it cause he didn't take it to my old business 2018-01-18T12:09:51 < stvn> hehehehe 2018-01-18T12:20:05 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-18T12:50:25 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T12:51:11 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-18T12:51:18 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-18T12:55:47 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T13:27:43 < jpa-> jsoft: check also vector table, that your systick_handler is really in there 2018-01-18T13:39:00 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-18T13:42:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-18T13:43:51 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@24.72.40.127] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T13:52:59 < kikes> do you wire your instruments with cat 5 or cat 6? 2018-01-18T13:53:27 < kikes> do you want ground loops or not? 2018-01-18T13:53:35 < stvn> > 2018-01-18T13:55:29 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T13:59:19 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-18T14:01:31 < ThomasK_> @kikes, I am using Cat. 5e 2018-01-18T14:01:40 < kaa> why? 2018-01-18T14:02:15 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T14:09:30 < stvn> englishman and snowcat 2018-01-18T14:13:49 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ~~] 2018-01-18T14:27:13 < zyp> hrm 2018-01-18T14:27:43 < zyp> F042 got USART2_TX on same pin as SWCLK, but USART2_RX is not on SWDIO 2018-01-18T14:28:35 < zyp> I bought some usb-adapter thing based on F042, and I want to recover a spare uart on it, but there's almost no pins broken out 2018-01-18T14:29:20 < zyp> and it's QFN, so I'd rather not attack the chip pads directly if I can avoid it 2018-01-18T14:29:25 < zyp> swd is routed to testpoints 2018-01-18T14:51:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-18T14:55:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T15:39:37 < ThomasK_> I have my LwIP TCP/IP client running but can't make it auto-reconnect after cable change 2018-01-18T15:41:02 < PaulFertser> ThomasK_: does your ethernet mac driver handle connect/disconnect events? 2018-01-18T15:41:15 < PaulFertser> ThomasK_: are you able to icmp ping your device after cable change? 2018-01-18T15:42:45 < ThomasK_> @PaulFertser, Ping is possible after cable reconnect 2018-01-18T15:43:33 < PaulFertser> Ok, so it's likely your tcp client problem 2018-01-18T15:44:27 < ThomasK_> I thought it would be the ethernetif_update_config function which does this, but somehow it doesnt work 2018-01-18T15:48:20 -!- Laurence_b [80f3029d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.243.2.157] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T15:49:20 < Laurence_b> sup trolls 2018-01-18T15:51:49 * Laurence_b is calibratin https://filebin.ca/3ocwsLBMlZVp/autoreport.pdf 2018-01-18T15:52:04 < Laurence_b> st gyro performance is all over the place 2018-01-18T15:57:07 < sync> maybe ask st? 2018-01-18T15:57:22 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T15:58:51 < Laurence_b> yeah maybe I should email them 2018-01-18T15:59:16 < englishman> per frequency? 2018-01-18T15:59:27 < englishman> ime anything not specifically in the datasheet is up for grabs 2018-01-18T16:02:25 < Laurence_b> the power spectral density is v odd 2018-01-18T16:03:50 < Laurence_b> I can believe the high frequency spikes - probably there due to harmonics of the proof mass oscillation frequencies 2018-01-18T16:04:10 < Laurence_b> but there is so much variance between devices 2018-01-18T16:05:25 < ThomasK_> @PaulFertser, After reconnecting the cable, lwIP goes into function tcp_client_recv. 2018-01-18T16:11:15 < PaulFertser> ThomasK_: and what does it receive? 2018-01-18T16:16:29 < ThomasK_> @PaulFertser, it goes into state p == NULL and es->p_tx = ES_CLOSING 2018-01-18T16:17:09 < PaulFertser> ThomasK_: so probably lwIP thinks that a cable reconnection drops all current tcp connections 2018-01-18T16:17:15 < ThomasK_> @PaulFertser, and there "tcp_client_connection_close" is called 2018-01-18T16:17:42 < ThomasK_> @PaulFertser, It should reconnect to the IP it was connected before 2018-01-18T16:23:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T16:26:35 < qyx> are you handling reconnections as you should? 2018-01-18T16:26:48 < qyx> ie. if you detect that the socket is disconnected, do you call connect again? 2018-01-18T16:27:15 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-18T16:27:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T16:42:48 < ThomasK_> I dont see the netic_set_link_callback being called, though it is set for ethernetif_update_config 2018-01-18T16:43:53 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-18T17:03:50 < qyx> aren't you supposed to call the netif_set_link_callback to register your callback to be called? 2018-01-18T17:04:31 < qyx> also, still I don't see any reason that a app-layer task should mess with link status and stuff 2018-01-18T17:04:41 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T17:04:52 < qyx> it has a tcp api accessible and thats all it should need 2018-01-18T17:05:36 < qyx> at least using the posix api it is possible to detect when the connection is closed and you can try to reconnect whenever it is not conencted 2018-01-18T17:06:35 < qyx> it whe lwip closes all connections on cable disconnect, it should be doable 2018-01-18T17:07:02 < qyx> another thing to consider is that you may not be able to connect after the cable is plugged in 2018-01-18T17:07:31 < qyx> there may be various delays, Ip may not be available, etc. 2018-01-18T17:08:01 < qyx> if you handle reconnect only in this special unplug/plug case, you may fail in many other scenarios 2018-01-18T17:08:02 < ThomasK_> IP is available, its in a ntwork without dhcp 2018-01-18T17:08:05 < qyx> or am I offtopic? 2018-01-18T17:08:07 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T17:08:30 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T17:08:55 < qyx> what about routing errors, remote server down, other link failures 2018-01-18T17:09:35 < ThomasK_> In the Netif config I set the netif_set_link_callback(&gnetif, ethernetif_update_config) 2018-01-18T17:18:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T17:18:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T17:31:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-18T17:31:11 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-18T17:33:56 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T17:34:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T17:34:52 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T17:49:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-18T17:55:48 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T18:03:15 < Laurence_b> https://images.cdn.whathifi.com/sites/whathifi.com/files/styles/big-image/public/brands/Audioquest/audioquest_jitterbug.jpg?itok=7E74B_Jq 2018-01-18T18:03:18 < Laurence_b> ukp39 2018-01-18T18:03:25 < Laurence_b> lul audiophools 2018-01-18T18:03:44 < karlp> not expensive enough for audiophools 2018-01-18T18:04:00 < karlp> didn't you share some other dongle just like that the other week? 2018-01-18T18:04:03 < karlp> with way more caps on it? 2018-01-18T18:05:15 -!- tomeaton17 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T18:06:19 -!- tomeaton17 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T18:07:16 < Laurence_b> yeah# 2018-01-18T18:07:23 < Laurence_b> I'm gunna mod a hub 2018-01-18T18:14:19 < englishman> lol Laurence_b 2018-01-18T18:14:56 < Laurence_b> muh hub has three polyfuses 2018-01-18T18:14:58 < Laurence_b> wtf 2018-01-18T18:15:02 < Laurence_b> 2.6A 2018-01-18T18:15:54 < karlp> "Perhaps we are more happy than you are about the removal of the license system. This enables the development team to focus on feature development that actually matters to STM32 customers and not on license issues." 2018-01-18T18:15:58 < karlp> fucking hooray 2018-01-18T18:15:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T18:16:04 < Rob235> alright, at the library printing again. lets see if these new settings turn out better 2018-01-18T18:16:34 < Laurence_b> guess I'll desolder the fuses and dead bug them with ferrites in series 2018-01-18T18:16:52 < Laurence_b> each port has some nice looking decoupling 2018-01-18T18:17:00 < Laurence_b> looks like 22u, 10u and 100n 2018-01-18T18:17:43 < Laurence_b> https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/1447996/?grossPrice=Y&cm_mmc=UK-PLA-DS3A-_-google-_-PLA_UK_EN_Computing_And_Peripherals-_-Kvm_And_Splitters_And_Extenders%7CUsb_Hubs-_-PRODUCT+GROUP&matchtype=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-8qq3PTh2AIVqL3tCh12ZQSWEAQYBCABEgLdBvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds 2018-01-18T18:22:24 < Laurence_b> I see no evidence of battery charging stuff... 2018-01-18T18:25:21 < Laurence_b> imagine my shock 2018-01-18T18:28:15 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T18:34:03 < qyx> karlp: wheres that 2018-01-18T18:34:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-18T18:34:49 < karlp> notes in the attoollic 9 press release 2018-01-18T18:35:42 < Rickta59> is there anything special about TrueStudio? Does it has an optimized libc? 2018-01-18T18:38:01 < Rickta59> * just loading v9 now .. seems simpler install than last time I tried 2018-01-18T18:44:16 < englishman> " Cover Letter 18-Jan 2018-01-18T18:44:16 < englishman> Dear Sir or Mama, 2018-01-18T18:44:16 < englishman> I am in search of a career" 2018-01-18T18:47:07 < Rickta59> so what does TrueStudio mean for the future of the AC6 ide? I guess it will wither away? 2018-01-18T18:47:27 < Rickta59> * notices that atolic has its own custom gcc 2018-01-18T18:51:31 < karlp> it's probably not really custom gcc, just packaged with it 2018-01-18T18:52:13 < Laurence_b> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkqbHQqLwMU 2018-01-18T18:52:26 < Rickta59> they actually name it arm-atollic-eabi-xxx 2018-01-18T18:52:41 < Rickta59> could just be packaging and libc 2018-01-18T18:53:06 < Rickta59> fairly recent verion 6.3.1 2018-01-18T18:53:48 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T18:56:52 < Rickta59> you are proabably right karlp 2018-01-18T19:05:31 < karlp> giving it it's own name makes it really easy to identify who's it is. 2018-01-18T19:05:43 < karlp> "it says here in the log arm-none-eabi-xxx, that's not ours" 2018-01-18T19:06:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T19:14:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-18T19:26:18 < Steffanx> What press release karlp? 2018-01-18T19:28:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T19:28:40 < ThomasK_> @Steffanx, The altollic studio 9 press release 2018-01-18T19:28:46 < Steffanx> -_- 2018-01-18T19:28:49 < ThomasK_> just installed it 2018-01-18T19:29:08 < Steffanx> But i see no press release and only references to 8.10 2018-01-18T19:30:38 < ThomasK_> It is on the main page 2018-01-18T19:30:42 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T19:31:00 < ThomasK_> Atollic TrueSTUDIO for STM32 is now available for download. 2018-01-18T19:31:01 < ThomasK_> STM32 developers can now use all of the Pro features at no charge. 2018-01-18T19:32:22 < Steffanx> Oh mobile vs non-mobile -_- 2018-01-18T19:34:13 < ThomasK_> :/ 2018-01-18T19:36:37 < Steffanx> Mobile page doesnt show what the desktop page shows 2018-01-18T19:36:41 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-18T19:39:36 < englishman> maybe they have only released the ide for android 2018-01-18T19:40:08 < Steffanx> I dont iphone 2018-01-18T19:41:17 < ThomasK_> XD 2018-01-18T19:42:15 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T20:08:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-18T20:08:09 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T20:10:32 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T20:10:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T20:11:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-18T20:14:24 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T20:20:04 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyydvvkt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T20:22:50 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-18T20:31:39 < kikes> Pump1! 2018-01-18T20:31:54 < kikes> good long day at work 2018-01-18T20:32:14 < kikes> entering mania 2018-01-18T20:34:23 < Steffanx> Welcome 2018-01-18T20:38:20 < kikes> entering hyperpumppin 2018-01-18T20:38:49 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@24.72.40.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-18T20:39:18 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-18T20:40:24 < kikes> I need something to cool down 2018-01-18T20:47:11 < kikes> a cold doppelbock 2018-01-18T20:47:23 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@24.72.40.127] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T20:49:51 < kikes> anyone done listening of car can messages? 2018-01-18T20:50:27 < kikes> I'm interested about driving lights related stuff 2018-01-18T20:51:29 < kikes> I only assume there is different implementations for every generation per every car manuf 2018-01-18T21:02:30 < kikes> recommd a good jumper wire kit from ebays 2018-01-18T21:03:24 < kikes> those crappy leads 2018-01-18T21:03:46 < upgrdman> opengl pros: with glFrustum(), scaling left/right/top/bottom is effectively zooming, right? and znear determines the "lens", right? 2018-01-18T21:06:38 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T21:06:54 < Laurence_b> audiophools btfo https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-USB-Power-Filter-Board-Noise-Eliminator-F-Amplifier-PC-Power-purification/172727033835?hash=item2837555feb:g:Fq4AAOSw-29ZPnRt 2018-01-18T21:08:19 < kikes> hello Laurence_b good to see you 2018-01-18T21:08:31 < kikes> did you go around the ban somehow? 2018-01-18T21:13:27 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-18T21:15:13 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T21:16:18 < Laurence_b> yeah, ban evasion 2018-01-18T21:17:02 < Laurence_b> its like being at school again 2018-01-18T21:17:17 < Laurence_b> I got b& from all PCs for irl trolling Tony Blair 2018-01-18T21:17:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-18T21:22:37 < Laurence_b> so I used a fake admin login screen vb program to steal the passwordz 2018-01-18T21:31:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T21:33:51 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T21:36:18 < aandrew> that probabyl does do some filtering but yeah, audiophool 2018-01-18T21:36:54 < kikes> I was wondering how my laptop only did 3-4hours on battery 2018-01-18T21:37:03 < kikes> I have performace power scheme in use! 2018-01-18T21:37:15 < kikes> full clocks and no power savings 2018-01-18T21:37:30 < kikes> almost threw it in recycling 2018-01-18T21:39:21 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T21:51:35 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T22:02:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T22:06:24 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-18T22:17:53 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/Fox0x01 2018-01-18T22:24:21 < Steffanx> Context ReadErr? 2018-01-18T22:25:04 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/Fox0x01/status/947556197372256258 2018-01-18T22:25:17 < ReadErr> Insecurity Researcher | Creator of @azeria_labs | BHUSA Training Review Board | ♡ Arm Assembly, RE, Exploitation | On the Internet, nobody knows you're fox. 🦊 2018-01-18T22:26:06 < Steffanx> Oh, trollings dongs. 2018-01-18T22:26:26 < ReadErr> im not sure if trap 2018-01-18T22:26:50 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Jp5uppqCc&has_verified=1 2018-01-18T22:27:01 < ReadErr> this is the most majestic shit ive ever seen 2018-01-18T22:27:18 < Steffanx> idk stvn 2018-01-18T22:27:34 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome! 2018-01-18T22:28:49 < englishman> terry crews doesnt have shit on the one true terry 2018-01-18T22:29:20 < Steffanx> EV o'clock crt? 2018-01-18T22:32:34 < ReadErr> crt: look at my vid you loser 2018-01-18T22:32:51 < Steffanx> Try to keep it nice mr ReadErr. 2018-01-18T22:33:07 < Steffanx> oh no. 2018-01-18T22:33:15 < Steffanx> One Terry is mmoooore than enough 2018-01-18T22:33:34 < Steffanx> ya mate 2018-01-18T22:37:04 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OetrSxmFZSI 2018-01-18T22:55:37 < kikes> okay pumps still no recommds for jumper wires? 2018-01-18T22:55:48 < kikes> where do you buy your shit? 2018-01-18T22:57:01 < upgrdman> kikes, you mean "dupont wire" stuff? 2018-01-18T22:57:09 < kikes> everybody just have so crappy jumper wires they can not recommend that shit? 2018-01-18T22:57:13 < kikes> like I do 2018-01-18T22:57:16 < kikes> upgrdman, yes 2018-01-18T22:57:18 < ReadErr> kynar 2018-01-18T22:57:19 < ReadErr> wire 2018-01-18T22:57:28 < upgrdman> kikes, lol i was bitching about that a year or two ago 2018-01-18T22:57:36 < upgrdman> i never found high quality jumpers 2018-01-18T22:57:36 < upgrdman> but 2018-01-18T22:57:48 < kikes> ReadErr, no 2018-01-18T22:57:51 < upgrdman> mouser carries some that are slightly nicer than ebay dupont wire 2018-01-18T22:57:59 < kikes> but ones with connectors at each end 2018-01-18T22:58:12 < kikes> got link anyhow? 2018-01-18T22:58:27 < kikes> put it in irc wisdom too 2018-01-18T22:58:47 < upgrdman> https://www.mouser.com/productdetail/busboard-prototype-systems/zw-mf-10?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvzNxwKcL67%252bqqQCT656cF5dwBjahF1ASE%3D 2018-01-18T22:58:56 < upgrdman> those "BPS" branded ones 2018-01-18T22:59:20 < upgrdman> theyre still make in china iirc, but they feel like they have slightly better insulation and crimps 2018-01-18T23:00:01 < upgrdman> i was kinda hoping to find the high quality "jumper wire" used for logic analyzer probes 2018-01-18T23:00:09 < upgrdman> like machined pin + gold plated 2018-01-18T23:00:11 < upgrdman> and silicone 2018-01-18T23:00:16 < upgrdman> but never found them :( 2018-01-18T23:00:37 < kikes> I had ones that had too short pin 2018-01-18T23:00:44 < kikes> and insulation was falling apart 2018-01-18T23:00:53 < kikes> another ones with round too thin pin 2018-01-18T23:02:48 < kikes> photo looks the same than in ebay 2018-01-18T23:03:01 < kikes> I actually may have one such from ebay 2018-01-18T23:03:13 < kikes> but problem is when you need 2 males or 2 females 2018-01-18T23:03:28 < kikes> and pin looks a bit short 2018-01-18T23:04:13 < ReadErr> the best are molded 2018-01-18T23:07:26 < upgrdman> ReadErr, agreed. but where to buy them? 2018-01-18T23:07:44 < upgrdman> like i said, the log anal wire would be perfect if they sold them 2018-01-18T23:07:53 < ReadErr> believe i got some off amazon 2018-01-18T23:09:19 < kikes> ReadErr, agreed 2018-01-18T23:12:09 < Steffanx> upgrdman get dongs to make a shitload and sell them to ##stm32 2018-01-18T23:12:15 < Steffanx> or get dongs to get some china girl to make some 2018-01-18T23:12:34 < karlp> Laurence_b: that usb power filter board is actually probably one of the cheapest ways of gettting a nice interposer with test points for usb sniffing! 2018-01-18T23:13:50 < kikes> I have china pal 2018-01-18T23:14:10 < kikes> collegue at manuf 2018-01-18T23:15:43 < kikes> very good english and straight forward 2018-01-18T23:15:47 < kikes> engineer ofc. 2018-01-18T23:19:15 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-18T23:20:49 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyydvvkt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-18T23:22:24 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-18T23:35:22 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T23:40:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T23:43:56 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-18T23:43:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-18T23:43:57 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T23:44:03 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-18T23:50:23 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-18T23:50:30 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Fri Jan 19 2018 2018-01-19T00:02:51 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:a086:ad49:54ed:f347] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T00:09:18 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-19T00:25:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0ae2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-19T00:28:58 < upgrdman> algorithm pros: is there a better way to look for duplicates in an array that is not O(n^2) ? there has got to be a better way :/ 2018-01-19T00:29:17 < upgrdman> unsorted array, and no, sorting is not realistic 2018-01-19T00:31:01 < aandrew> no I don't think so 2018-01-19T00:31:10 < aandrew> insertion sort is no good? that'd be a good place to do it 2018-01-19T00:31:30 < upgrdman> i cant "sort" the elements, they are not sortable 2018-01-19T00:31:38 < upgrdman> they are line segments in 3D :) 2018-01-19T00:32:12 < upgrdman> hmm. after furiously googling, using a hashmap could yield of O(n) 2018-01-19T00:32:20 < upgrdman> hash em, then check them -> 2n 2018-01-19T00:33:32 < upgrdman> now if only floating point math wasnt imperfect. would make this so much easier to test. 2018-01-19T00:33:33 < aandrew> ah they aren't values 2018-01-19T00:33:35 < aandrew> gotcha 2018-01-19T00:33:37 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-19T00:34:27 < upgrdman> fuck it. i'll just use threads to make up for my shit algorithms 2018-01-19T00:34:49 < ohsix> innovation 2018-01-19T00:34:53 < upgrdman> threadpool all the things 2018-01-19T00:34:55 < upgrdman> yes 2018-01-19T00:35:00 < ohsix> you can do an insertion sort 2018-01-19T00:35:09 < upgrdman> i CANT FUCKING SORT THEM 2018-01-19T00:35:14 < ohsix> ya you can!!11 2018-01-19T00:35:24 < upgrdman> how do you sort a line segment in 3D 2018-01-19T00:35:26 < ohsix> you can sort an index and just take out the elements 2018-01-19T00:35:39 < ohsix> i hadn't seen that someone already mentioned sorting 2018-01-19T00:35:45 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-19T00:35:51 < ohsix> how do you end up with duplicate line segments? 2018-01-19T00:36:06 < upgrdman> shit mesh made by shit people and shit programs 2018-01-19T00:36:09 < ohsix> you can still sort them but they won't make sense geometrically; you really would just be changing the indexing 2018-01-19T00:36:41 < upgrdman> non-manifold shapes are also causing me grief, but that's another battle for another day 2018-01-19T00:36:43 < ohsix> you can build a spatial tree for the mesh and have cheaper neighbor queries 2018-01-19T00:36:52 < ohsix> like an octree 2018-01-19T00:37:03 < upgrdman> wtf is that 2018-01-19T00:37:33 < upgrdman> well ya i guess i could comparmentalize it into regions in 3d 2018-01-19T00:37:50 < upgrdman> so i dont quite have to O(n^2) 2018-01-19T00:38:10 < ohsix> i think the real solutions to this kind of stuff is graph theory junk, where you try and re-strip the geometry or find the hull 2018-01-19T00:38:25 < ohsix> and orphans / non-manifold things are coplanar/fucked and you ditch them 2018-01-19T00:38:26 < upgrdman> wuts a hull 2018-01-19T00:38:47 < ohsix> the surface of what the object represents 2018-01-19T00:39:06 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-19T00:39:13 < ohsix> then you decide what is part or not part of the surface, then you have a surface without the duplicate line segment garbage 2018-01-19T00:40:33 < ohsix> is it a foul to look at how meshlab is doin git 2018-01-19T00:40:48 < ohsix> you'll at least see how the geometry engine libraries are used to do the same sort of task 2018-01-19T00:42:26 < ohsix> don't know if it is exactly in this book cuz i don't have my copy to hand, but https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/handbook-of-mathematics-and-computational-science_john-w-harris_horst-stcker/532586/#isbn=0387947469 2018-01-19T00:42:37 < ohsix> it is worth having for a million different little thigns 2018-01-19T00:43:00 < ohsix> i got mine for like 4bux from thriftbooks, worth waiting a bit 2018-01-19T00:44:14 < ohsix> is the crap you have a triangle soup? cuz there's some constraints for triangles that you can use 2018-01-19T00:44:22 < ohsix> since they describe a plane unambiguously 2018-01-19T00:45:26 < ohsix> if it's just a bunch of vertices and no winding or relationship junk that'll be the primary problem, finding out which ones are actually part of a face 2018-01-19T00:47:42 < ohsix> you can also do all possible centroids and see if those are close 2018-01-19T00:48:51 < ohsix> (as you find them you insert them into k-d tree/octree) 2018-01-19T00:50:03 < ohsix> this shit sucks though and there's usually still work to do on something that called for such a thing after all of the clever stuff 2018-01-19T01:00:54 < ohsix> to the question tho, duplicates in an array when things are floating point; you definitely need to look to inserting the members of the array into a data structure that lets you find neighbors & distances cheaply 2018-01-19T01:02:21 < ohsix> you'll have a real real real hard time picking an epsilon that works in a lot of cases without it, and if you're comparing all to all you'll mess stuff up 2018-01-19T01:03:03 < ohsix> if you limit the depth of the octree or quantize the distances in the k-d tree you can make the vertices snap together at a desired level of fidelity (which is not supe rdifferent than picking a different epsilon) 2018-01-19T01:05:08 < ohsix> i don't get to irc enough give me moar things to think about 2018-01-19T01:16:07 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-19T01:20:04 < ohsix> I DEMANNNNNNNNNND 2018-01-19T01:20:22 < ohsix> guh irl drama is still crazy 2018-01-19T01:20:23 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:a086:ad49:54ed:f347] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-19T01:25:21 < karlp> upgrdman: what you mean you can't sort lines. 2018-01-19T01:25:35 < karlp> you want duplicates, you sort by all the properties that cana change. 2018-01-19T01:25:39 < karlp> the hell's wrong with you 2018-01-19T01:25:46 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-19T01:26:42 < karlp> that's like saying you can't sort because they're objects not values or somethingn equally nonsense 2018-01-19T01:27:37 < ohsix> dat dimensional analysis 2018-01-19T01:28:05 < ohsix> you can sort anything that you can come up with a distance function in any number of dimensions 2018-01-19T01:29:28 < ohsix> and you can actually make up what counts as 'close' in the distance function 2018-01-19T01:33:27 < ohsix> huehruh, sigmoid, tanh 2018-01-19T02:05:09 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-19T02:10:22 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T02:11:54 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-19T02:11:58 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-19T02:13:02 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-19T02:17:35 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T02:32:24 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T02:41:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-19T02:57:04 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T03:24:17 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-19T03:24:38 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-19T03:25:21 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5468F048.cm-12-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T03:39:31 < jadew> so has anyone bought from jlpcb yet? 2018-01-19T03:39:38 < jadew> how do they compare with seeed and others? 2018-01-19T03:39:43 < jadew> jlcpcb 2018-01-19T03:42:27 < englishman> isnt that just one of the producers that allpcb, pcbway and seeeeedshit etc use 2018-01-19T03:42:44 < jadew> it's possible, I don't know 2018-01-19T03:42:51 < jadew> but their prices are super low 2018-01-19T03:43:00 < jadew> half what everyone else seems to charge 2018-01-19T03:53:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T03:53:55 < jadew> hmm, jlcpcb charges $47 for DHL shipping 2018-01-19T03:54:01 < jadew> elecrow charges only $17 2018-01-19T03:54:28 < branjb> ah the classic low price high shipping scam 2018-01-19T03:54:36 < jadew> yeah... 2018-01-19T03:55:38 < jadew> registered mail is $12.2, compared with the 9.48 for elecrow, that's about the same for the PCBs 2018-01-19T03:55:57 < jadew> I wonder how the shipping varies with multiple orders 2018-01-19T03:56:43 < englishman> branjb, jadew will analyze pcb places for 3 months and never place an order. then their prices will change and he starts the cycle again 2018-01-19T03:56:57 < jadew> heh 2018-01-19T03:57:24 < jadew> I have a bunch of boards I have to make so it makes sense I do a bit of price checking 2018-01-19T03:57:43 < branjb> I need to start a new project 2018-01-19T04:01:15 < jadew> ok, so adding the same order again in jlcpcb/easyeda both increases the shipping cost and the second boards cost $5 2018-01-19T04:01:29 < jadew> so it's actually more expensive than elecrow 2018-01-19T04:02:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-19T04:03:30 < jadew> the only thing where I seem to get a substantial deal is witha 4 layer board that's bigger than the 10x10 offer 2018-01-19T04:04:09 < jadew> this makes things much easier 2018-01-19T04:16:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-19T04:16:21 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-19T04:19:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T04:52:27 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-19T05:35:04 < upgrdman> ohsix, thanks for the comment earlier. k-d trees look like they may super helpful for me. 2018-01-19T05:35:10 < upgrdman> comments* 2018-01-19T05:37:25 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-19T05:38:45 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T05:40:12 < upgrdman> hi 2018-01-19T05:40:15 < englishman> lunix life support https://github.com/sgayou/medfusion-4000-research/blob/master/doc/README.md 2018-01-19T05:41:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, not bad. i've been austisming over 3d printing, and i feel myself slowly loosing my sanity. im developing my own slicer + gcode generator. 2018-01-19T05:41:28 < upgrdman> making shitty robot prototypes 2018-01-19T05:41:34 < upgrdman> like my centipede idea 2018-01-19T05:42:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, early prototype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hByA5cgBis 2018-01-19T05:42:52 < jsoft> Is CubeMX not to be trusted to create proper init code or something ? 2018-01-19T05:43:54 < MrMobius> upgrdman, that dildo in the video is very thin 2018-01-19T05:44:10 < upgrdman> wut dildo 2018-01-19T05:44:28 < MrMobius> the skinny gray thing in the youtube video 2018-01-19T05:44:51 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/centipede_walk_cycle_screencast.mp4 2018-01-19T05:45:37 < upgrdman> no 2018-01-19T05:45:44 < upgrdman> bought a china printer 2018-01-19T05:45:51 < upgrdman> $350 2018-01-19T05:46:19 < upgrdman> decided not to spend a lot on one, since i have no real world application for it. literally i plan to use it for is robot fuckery 2018-01-19T05:46:35 < upgrdman> *all i plan 2018-01-19T05:47:49 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-19T05:48:05 < upgrdman> just buy a diy lower, and use a drill press 2018-01-19T05:51:25 < englishman> why tho, when stripped 100% lowers are $30 2018-01-19T05:56:37 -!- jadew [~rcc@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T06:00:49 < jadew> we had to learn that song in kindergarten 2018-01-19T06:01:14 -!- karlp [~karlp@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-19T06:01:15 < jadew> I only know the first verse 2018-01-19T06:03:56 < jsoft> Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 2018-01-19T06:03:59 < jsoft> Interrupt working 2018-01-19T06:04:05 < jsoft> SET_BIT(SysTick->CTRL, SysTick_CTRL_TICKINT_Msk); was required 2018-01-19T06:22:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-19T06:30:35 -!- jadew [~rcc@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2018-01-19T06:48:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T06:53:50 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-19T06:54:34 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T06:55:12 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T07:08:41 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-19T07:42:29 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T07:46:56 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-19T07:48:13 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-19T07:55:16 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T07:57:59 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T08:01:17 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-19T08:01:17 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-19T08:40:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-10e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T08:53:32 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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This (Byte enable) feature which is corresponed to DQM in SDRAM. Does anybody know what this thing is supposed to do? https://pasteboard.co/H3CjGgZ.png https://pasteboard.co/H3CjpaL.png 2018-01-19T10:15:56 < zyp> Timmy, are you asking what the purpose of the byte enable signal is? 2018-01-19T10:16:10 < Timmy> Exactly! 2018-01-19T10:16:22 < zyp> to allow for 8-bit writes 2018-01-19T10:17:20 < Timmy> thanks 2018-01-19T10:18:01 < zyp> when you have a 16-bit or wider memory bus, but only want to write a single byte, the byte enable signals tells the memory chip which of the bits to care about and which to ignore 2018-01-19T10:19:54 < Timmy> thanks zyp, that was really helpful 2018-01-19T10:23:50 < zyp> if you have a 16-bit wide memory without byte enables and attempt to do 8-bit writes, the other half of each word will also be overwritten with garbage every time you write a byte 2018-01-19T10:24:54 < zyp> the packet memory for the device-only usb block found in some stm32 variants is like that, so you can only write it successfully with 16-bit writes 2018-01-19T10:25:24 < zyp> restrictions like that is okay for special memories like that, that's only written by a particular piece of code tailored for it 2018-01-19T10:25:44 < zyp> but for general memory you want the memory to be able to handle any size of writes 2018-01-19T10:38:10 < Timmy> another question, I am developing an application which in some conditions must stream video to PC over USB-HS. CDC was probably the only firmware that I could choose to transfer huge amount of data to computer. While CDC is implemented to transfer data in Bulk mode, it is not optimized for real time applications like video streaming. Actually I'm not familiar with USB drivers and I don't know how to create one. Is there any easy solution for this 2018-01-19T10:38:10 < Timmy> problem like modifying CDC firmware to work in isochronous mode? 2018-01-19T10:55:22 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T11:11:38 < zyp> by CDC, I assume you mean CDC-ACM, i.e. virtual serial? 2018-01-19T11:13:30 < Timmy> zyp: yes 2018-01-19T11:16:20 < zyp> well, simply put: no 2018-01-19T11:16:36 < zyp> CDC-ACM and isochronous do not mix. 2018-01-19T11:18:45 < zyp> from my perspective, if you want low-latency video over usb, there's basically two ways to go 2018-01-19T11:19:22 < zyp> either you implement usb video class on the device, to get something that'll just work when you plug it into a computer 2018-01-19T11:19:50 < zyp> or you do your own protocol over plain isochronous, and use libusb or similar on the host 2018-01-19T11:20:08 < zyp> which is preferable depends what is convenient for your application 2018-01-19T11:20:50 < zyp> those are the two solutions that use isochronous transport 2018-01-19T11:21:28 < zyp> and then you could also figure ghetto solutions where you use bulk transport instead, but those are probably not very interesting 2018-01-19T11:38:09 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 2018-01-19T12:01:26 -!- karlp [~karlp@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T12:03:28 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-195-158-203.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T12:03:57 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-19T12:04:19 < karlp> hello again world 2018-01-19T12:05:33 < karlp> did I miss anything worth checking the logs for? 2018-01-19T12:08:22 < zyp> probably not 2018-01-19T12:09:39 < karlp> happy husband's day 2018-01-19T12:11:49 < BrainDamage> i wonder if this is laurenceb publishing with a fake name https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322530755_Analysis_and_Qualitative_Effects_of_Large_Breasts_on_Aerodynamic_Performance_and_Wake_of_a_Miss_Kobayashi%27s_Dragon_Maid_Character?channel=doi&linkId=5a5ef35a458515c03ee11245&showFulltext=true 2018-01-19T12:14:30 < karlp> BrainDamage: that's awesome 2018-01-19T12:38:55 < sync> "the effect of breasts in regards to drag and overall aerodynamic performance" 2018-01-19T12:38:57 < sync> 10/10 2018-01-19T12:40:01 < karlp> "Disclaimer: You now exist in the same timeline where there is academic-level research on whether or not anime titties are aerodynamic or not. RIP “flat is justice”. Moreover, I wrote this paper for fun and not in any way to fulfill my degree requirements." 2018-01-19T12:43:23 < sync> "The author received no funding for this research. The results of the present study do not constitute endorsement of any potential entity whether expressed or implied. Quetzalcoatl is also not the author’s “waifu”, although he respects her character as THE GODDESS OF THICC." 2018-01-19T12:43:25 < sync> :DD 2018-01-19T13:00:28 < ThomasK> Still haveing problems with my LwIP link detection. Link is up no matter if the cable is connected or not. I want to make my TCP client autoreconnect after a cable has been plugged in. 2018-01-19T13:04:02 < karlp> maybe your link needs bigger titties 2018-01-19T13:10:14 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T13:12:23 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-19T13:12:27 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-19T13:40:16 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T13:43:31 < zyp> ThomasK, link status is a phy property, so you'd have to look at your phy driver for that 2018-01-19T13:44:13 < zyp> thing is, as long as the phy is configured correctly, mac never needs to talk to phy at all to send and receive packages 2018-01-19T13:44:26 < zyp> so maybe you don't even have a phy driver 2018-01-19T13:44:29 < zyp> :) 2018-01-19T13:44:53 < ThomasK> @zyp, I am using LAN8720A but I am uncertain which register would be correct to check for. When I read some of the registers, the values seemed strange (all 0xFF) 2018-01-19T13:45:42 < zyp> all 0xff sounds like MDIO is stuck high or something 2018-01-19T13:45:45 < ThomasK> What do you mean by "driver"? I am using modified code from the LwIP examples, so the PHY stuff is the same as there. 2018-01-19T13:46:04 < zyp> by "driver" I mean whatever talks to the phy 2018-01-19T13:46:41 < zyp> anyway, check that you have MDIO hooked up, check that the MDIO pin is mapped to the correct AF 2018-01-19T13:46:46 < ThomasK> isnt ethernetif doing that? 2018-01-19T13:46:57 < zyp> how would I know, I don't know your code 2018-01-19T13:47:27 < ThomasK> where would I check the MDIO stuff? 2018-01-19T13:47:44 < zyp> where it is. 2018-01-19T13:47:55 < ThomasK> ahh 2018-01-19T13:48:07 < ThomasK> physical pin at the PHY 2018-01-19T13:48:19 < zyp> yes 2018-01-19T13:48:29 < zyp> MDIO is the interface used to read/write PHY registers 2018-01-19T13:49:59 < ThomasK> Yeah. It is set up correctly 2018-01-19T13:50:11 < ThomasK> AF_11 2018-01-19T13:50:21 < zyp> yeah? how come you read 0xff from all the registers then? 2018-01-19T13:52:57 < ThomasK> good point. Will check for that 2018-01-19T13:53:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-19T14:02:49 < ThomasK> Just scoped it - MDIO and MDC both working. Will check the input on the uC side now 2018-01-19T14:04:09 < zyp> try scoping a read of register 1 2018-01-19T14:04:29 < zyp> link status is bit 2 in that register 2018-01-19T14:15:17 < kikes> anyone familiar with pumpin microchip pics? 2018-01-19T14:15:33 < kikes> I get Target has invalid calibration data(0x00) 2018-01-19T14:21:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:24:43 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:24:52 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:26:15 < ThomasK_> @zyp, very strange. When performing the read operation, the preamble, start of frame, op code, PHY and register address are sent, then the singal goes slowly towards Vcc 2018-01-19T14:26:29 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-148-115.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:26:39 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-19T14:27:12 -!- srk [sorki@fedora/sorki] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-19T14:27:43 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-19T14:27:44 -!- ds2 [~ds2@rehut.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-19T14:27:57 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-148-115.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-19T14:28:15 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-19T14:28:59 -!- srk [sorki@fedora/sorki] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:29:34 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@74.42.252.20] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:34:33 < zyp> so the phy is not answering 2018-01-19T14:34:59 < ThomasK_> wait, seems I got a small progress or even the solution 2018-01-19T14:36:39 < ThomasK_> @zyp, PHY_ADDRESS -.- Changing at LAN8720A depending on reset state 2018-01-19T14:37:28 < zyp> forgot the straps? 2018-01-19T14:37:59 < Laurence_b> >wonder why my usb hub has three polyfuses 2018-01-19T14:38:13 < Laurence_b> >grab hub controller datasheet 2018-01-19T14:38:23 < Laurence_b> >its a bad copypasta of the reference design 2018-01-19T14:39:16 < ThomasK_> @zyp, but now the connection is gone... 2018-01-19T14:39:49 < zyp> ThomasK_, after changing what? 2018-01-19T14:40:00 < ThomasK_> PHY address 2018-01-19T14:40:13 < zyp> how? 2018-01-19T14:41:45 < ThomasK_> in the code, the phy address was set to 1, LAN8720 expects 0 as standard. When I started the project several wweka ago, PHY address 1 was the only one I could set to get a working connection. But it seems the phy will be completely unconfigured 2018-01-19T14:42:02 < ThomasK_> as the link interrupt doesnt work 2018-01-19T14:42:43 < zyp> how do you have PHYAD[0] strapped on the hardware? 2018-01-19T14:46:01 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:47:57 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T14:56:55 < ThomasK_> @zyp, PHYAD[0] is GND 2018-01-19T15:01:10 < PaulFertser> Usually PHY addr is set with pull registers, not by direct connections as those pins get repurposed for data transfer after startup. 2018-01-19T15:01:31 < PaulFertser> And without any pulls the phy addr defaults to 1 I guess? 2018-01-19T15:02:59 < Steffanx> Dont they often have weak pullup/downs? 2018-01-19T15:03:04 < Steffanx> Internally 2018-01-19T15:05:11 < ThomasK_> I will ask the manufacturer of the uC module (SO-DIMM) - I just measured the level. The interface is RMII, so when I understand correctly, this pin wont be used for data? 2018-01-19T15:06:22 < zyp> PHYAD[0] is mapped on RX_ER which is part of RMII 2018-01-19T15:06:32 < zyp> and the current level is irrelevant, now it's an output 2018-01-19T15:06:55 < zyp> the interesting part is what it's strapped to before the phy starts and takes control of it 2018-01-19T15:35:10 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-19T15:42:22 < kikes> programming 8bit mcus sucks ass 2018-01-19T15:43:49 < Steffanx> Why? 2018-01-19T15:44:31 < Steffanx> Unlike the ##stm32 opinion, i dont hate avr. I do hate pic though :P 2018-01-19T15:45:36 < Steffanx> Whats wrong kikes ? 2018-01-19T15:47:45 < kikes> it's pic 2018-01-19T15:47:54 < kikes> everything fails 2018-01-19T15:48:04 < kikes> I did get once verification ok 2018-01-19T15:48:25 < kikes> then I played around a bit and didn't get valid program in anymore 2018-01-19T15:48:51 < zyp> Steffanx, but do you care about avr? :p 2018-01-19T15:49:05 < srk> I hope it dies 2018-01-19T15:49:51 < Steffanx> Oh, it wouldnt be my first choice 2018-01-19T15:49:57 < Steffanx> Id rather use stm8 2018-01-19T15:50:04 < kikes> AVR>PIC 2018-01-19T15:50:32 < Steffanx> Ya 2018-01-19T15:50:35 < Steffanx> Ya 2018-01-19T15:51:48 < kikes> ya! 2018-01-19T15:51:51 < englishman> ya 2018-01-19T15:52:03 < englishman> and stm8 > * 2018-01-19T15:53:01 < zyp> do you even get gcc for stm8? 2018-01-19T15:54:20 < englishman> no idea, pro compiler is $0 2018-01-19T15:54:52 < PaulFertser> zyp: sdcc and it's quite reasonable 2018-01-19T15:55:10 < zyp> not convinced 2018-01-19T15:55:15 < PaulFertser> zyp: also, on-chip debug with gdb openocd via stlink. 2018-01-19T15:55:45 < zyp> okay, that's nice 2018-01-19T15:55:54 < englishman> ^ excellent onchip one wire debug. Also available thru st native tools of course 2018-01-19T15:55:55 < zyp> then again, avr is also supposed to have OCD 2018-01-19T15:56:04 < PaulFertser> https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/the_free_toolchain_for_the_stm8/ this says "generates substantially faster integer code." 2018-01-19T15:58:32 < PaulFertser> https://acassis.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/sdcc-went-from-worst-stm8-compiler-to-best-in-a-very-short-time/ 2018-01-19T15:59:06 < englishman> ask Steffy, he's an stm8 pro with thousands in the field 2018-01-19T16:00:42 < zyp> to be fair, I don't imagine I'll do anything in volumes high enough for there to be a point bothering with anything cheaper than stm32 2018-01-19T16:01:22 < PaulFertser> "It also includes Coremark 2018-01-19T16:01:23 < PaulFertser> results. And SDCC went from worst scores to best scores there, too" 2018-01-19T16:01:53 < Steffanx> Aha PaulFertser 2018-01-19T16:03:00 < Steffanx> Last time we discussed performance you didnt have thid page PaulFertser ? 2018-01-19T16:03:15 < Steffanx> It didnt outperform cosmic and iar iirc 2018-01-19T16:04:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: probably I was just unaware as official wiki wasn't updated. The mail regarding performance is 2016-07-22 12:37:24. 2018-01-19T16:05:38 < PaulFertser> https://sourceforge.net/p/sdcc/mailman/message/35236236/ 2018-01-19T16:06:08 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T16:11:38 < ThomasK_> @zyp, everything working now. Autonegotiation had to be turned off. BSr register changes from 0x7809 (cable disconnected) to 0x780d when connected 2018-01-19T16:12:18 < karlp> what's the remote device? 2018-01-19T16:12:55 < karlp> autoneg failing is caused by a) using atrocious cabling, b) atrociously poor quality phys or c) not configuing them properly. 2018-01-19T16:13:02 < karlp> I'm going to lean towards c, 2018-01-19T16:13:15 < karlp> and that turning off autoneg isn't really going to help you much in the long run. 2018-01-19T16:14:18 < ThomasK_> @karlp, that is right. It pushes me to use a managed switch in my configuration 2018-01-19T16:14:49 < kikes> what resistor value do you use between vdd and vpp in pics? 2018-01-19T16:14:53 < karlp> zyp: avr's debug was..... abysmal last I tried it, using an avr dragon 2018-01-19T16:15:17 < kikes> I'm going to do all the following products with cortex-m0 2018-01-19T16:15:39 < zyp> karlp, might be, I've never tried 2018-01-19T16:15:41 < kikes> and have plenty to play with then 2018-01-19T16:18:50 < karlp> it _worked_ 2018-01-19T16:18:54 < karlp> but it was super fragile 2018-01-19T16:18:56 < karlp> and slow 2018-01-19T16:24:33 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/R2NU8KB.jpg 2018-01-19T16:26:03 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@216.21.169.52] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T16:30:46 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@216.21.169.52] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-19T16:32:31 < Steffanx> Hah, debugwire or jtag karlp ? 2018-01-19T16:33:30 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@pa49-195-158-203.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T16:33:41 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@pa49-195-158-203.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2018-01-19T16:34:40 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T16:36:17 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T16:42:09 < karlp> Steffanx: debugwire, 2018-01-19T16:42:17 < karlp> I later had a part with jtag, but no longer had the dragon 2018-01-19T16:42:26 < karlp> and jtag on small parts was just so many pins wasted 2018-01-19T16:43:29 < karlp> used it long enough to add flashing support to oocd for one, 2018-01-19T16:43:44 < karlp> then realized that oocd had no debug support for avrs even with jtag, so stopped caring 2018-01-19T16:50:21 < Rob235> damn, this part says 26 hours to print... guess I have to break it up into pieces 2018-01-19T16:50:38 < Rob235> someone buy me a 3d printer please, thank you 2018-01-19T16:50:40 < ThomasK_> @zyp, now the client reconnects after the cable has reconnected. But there is still a problem, when the server closes. How to manage that? The ES_NOT_CONNECTED state is not reached then 2018-01-19T16:53:48 < Laurence_b> wew 2018-01-19T16:54:00 * Laurence_b is b& from being within 3m of a shaker 2018-01-19T16:54:00 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-19T16:54:05 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T16:54:19 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T16:55:10 < BrainDamage> think of it as practice for your future restraining orders 2018-01-19T16:55:10 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-19T16:55:57 < Laurence_b> lel 2018-01-19T17:25:19 < Thorn> what is f bar in http://www-users.math.umn.edu/~garrett/m/fun/uncertainty.pdf 2018-01-19T17:27:28 < BrainDamage> complex conjugate 2018-01-19T17:28:17 < Thorn> ugh I assumed if f is on R then it must be R-valued too lol 2018-01-19T17:28:51 < Laurence_b> https://imgur.com/rL21HR4 2018-01-19T17:28:58 < Laurence_b> I resemble this remark 2018-01-19T17:29:58 < Thorn> thanks 2018-01-19T17:38:37 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T17:38:58 < rajkosto> so if i drill through the middle of a multilayer pcb 2018-01-19T17:39:03 < rajkosto> where theres a couple of planes 2018-01-19T17:39:10 < rajkosto> how do i ensure the edge is kleen so the planes dont short together 2018-01-19T17:41:16 < rajkosto> or would it be better to expand the sides of the hole with a dremel 2018-01-19T17:41:57 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-19T17:44:02 < rajkosto> or drill through, but then get some ferric chloride onto a q-tip, and jam it into the hole 2018-01-19T17:44:07 < rajkosto> so it etches away the sides :P 2018-01-19T17:45:31 < Laurence_b> thats what she said 2018-01-19T17:47:54 < rajkosto> a component exploded, turning the pcb into charcoal near some power vias 2018-01-19T17:48:02 < rajkosto> bad juju, short on main power rail 2018-01-19T17:48:38 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-19T17:48:58 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T17:53:31 < rajkosto> would a straight drill through be cleaner than trying to go top to bottom (the bottom has no charcoal/inflation) with a dremel ? 2018-01-19T17:54:57 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-19T17:55:04 < aandrew> rajkosto: that's kind of what I was thinking... drill straight down and maybe a little filing to amke sure none of the inner layer metal "bent" over the core or prepreg and you should be good 2018-01-19T17:55:33 < aandrew> ohm it out if you can to amke sure, then a dab of clear nail polish or epoxy or something should keep it clear 2018-01-19T17:55:51 < rajkosto> theres a via cluster where it blew tho 2018-01-19T17:56:01 < rajkosto> i would need to make sure to get all of them 2018-01-19T17:56:10 < rajkosto> would a side-gnawing milling bit be better in that case ? 2018-01-19T17:56:57 < aandrew> oh I see 2018-01-19T17:58:10 < rajkosto> i mean theres no guarantee that the pcb is only damaged in that area 2018-01-19T17:58:27 < rajkosto> but its the only one that visually looks like anything's bad 2018-01-19T17:58:39 < rajkosto> it blew a fuse and the psu turned off quickly 2018-01-19T17:59:36 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-01-18_17-21-42.jpg 2018-01-19T18:00:16 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T18:02:28 < rajkosto> once the short is removed, i will replace the mosfet (and use the other pcb space for it, since they are wired the same way) then just use a wire for the mosfet's power supply instead of the via cluster that exploded 2018-01-19T18:04:59 < aandrew> well if it's a larger area you can file it out 2018-01-19T18:05:07 < aandrew> drill as large as you can and file 2018-01-19T18:06:19 < rajkosto> my first thought was to do something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHqN6CTOdzA from top to bottom, manually, with a dremel with the rock-shaping/"dental rotating" bit 2018-01-19T18:06:20 < branjb> what caused it to blow? 2018-01-19T18:06:44 < rajkosto> branjb, surge protecting varistors were used by the manufacturer instead of reference-design 0-ohm links 2018-01-19T18:06:53 < rajkosto> i think they werent rated for the temperatures that mosfet was operating at 2018-01-19T18:07:09 < rajkosto> (no thermal pad on mosfets, some heatsink fins above it with a fan) 2018-01-19T18:08:07 < rajkosto> other than that, i have no clue 2018-01-19T18:08:13 < rajkosto> but it seems to have happened to more than 1 person 2018-01-19T18:08:20 < rajkosto> some were lucky to not have pcb damage after they flew off 2018-01-19T18:08:21 < rajkosto> i wasnt 2018-01-19T18:10:08 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-19T18:11:48 < rajkosto> i mean, 5W normal usage per 0805 surge protecting varistor is kinda tough, yes ? 2018-01-19T18:11:55 < rajkosto> (there were 2 there in parallel) 2018-01-19T18:12:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T18:13:55 < rajkosto> (its 12V) 2018-01-19T18:13:58 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T18:14:51 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF7W4rb8GLw 2018-01-19T18:15:21 < englishman> lol 2018-01-19T18:15:21 < englishman> thx 2018-01-19T18:15:55 < rajkosto> is that a fox-eared asshole i see 2018-01-19T18:18:42 < rajkosto> aandrew, what file do you suggest 2018-01-19T18:21:12 < aandrew> a have a small set of hand files that I use for fine detail work, I suspect the roughest one I could find in a small file would be suitable 2018-01-19T18:21:21 < aandrew> mind you you're filing fiberglass... that might be tough 2018-01-19T18:25:30 < englishman> is there a lunix i can boot into that handles ntfs nicely 2018-01-19T18:26:44 < englishman> or a usbstick bootable windows maybe 2018-01-19T18:26:56 < englishman> hmm i am overthinking this, will just use windows 2018-01-19T18:28:36 < jadew> englishman, most linuxes handle it well these days 2018-01-19T18:28:54 < jadew> (probably all) 2018-01-19T18:28:55 < PaulFertser> englishman: I think all GNU/Linux distros come with ntfs-3g utility which handles reading and writing NTFS just fine. 2018-01-19T18:29:05 < englishman> cool, since when? 2018-01-19T18:29:11 < jadew> a couple of years ago 2018-01-19T18:29:14 < englishman> il just download latest kali and try that 2018-01-19T18:30:10 < PaulFertser> englishman: make sure you have ntfs-3g installed, or else you'll get r/o kernel ntfs driver mounting the partition. 2018-01-19T18:30:31 < englishman> yeah thats how it used to be right 2018-01-19T18:30:55 < englishman> Mar 8, 2014 - ntfs-3g should be installed by default. 2018-01-19T18:32:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-19T18:32:27 < BrainDamage> the driver is there since > 10 years, it's only a matter if it's in by default or not 2018-01-19T18:32:33 < BrainDamage> and spoiler alert, the performance is shit 2018-01-19T18:32:39 < englishman> ah 2018-01-19T18:32:44 < englishman> i gotta transfer ~500gb 2018-01-19T18:32:50 < englishman> maybe will just use windows 2018-01-19T18:33:22 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: how exactly shitty is it? 2018-01-19T18:34:31 < BrainDamage> last time I've used I've had 1/2 to 1/3 the rw performance as windows, altought it's contextual based on file size and allocation 2018-01-19T18:35:23 < PaulFertser> Doesn't sound too bad 2018-01-19T18:36:17 < BrainDamage> the main reason i rekon it's all the context switches being an userspace driver 2018-01-19T18:36:33 < BrainDamage> and it's kinda bad when the transfer takes long 2018-01-19T18:36:44 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-19T18:36:51 < BrainDamage> if copying bulk of files would take you normally 1h, now it takes 3 2018-01-19T18:37:08 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T18:37:21 < BrainDamage> which is rather frustrating 2018-01-19T18:37:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-19T18:41:46 < PaulFertser> https://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#slow 2018-01-19T18:46:29 < rajkosto> is ferrhic chloride conductive ? 2018-01-19T18:46:48 < BrainDamage> all acids are 2018-01-19T18:47:25 < rajkosto> is ferrhic chloride mixed with whatever copper remains that react in it more conductive ? 2018-01-19T18:50:10 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-19T18:50:37 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T18:57:19 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T18:57:52 < BrainDam1> just for clarification, all acids in aqueuous solution are 2018-01-19T18:58:25 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@24.72.40.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-19T18:58:56 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-19T19:00:39 < rajkosto> so it'd be a bad idea to stick a ferrhic chloride qtip into a newly made pcb hole to make it non-conductive ? 2018-01-19T19:02:00 < BrainDam1> wut 2018-01-19T19:02:11 < rajkosto> (so it etches the power planes accessible from the side, so they dont accidentally short) 2018-01-19T19:04:44 < BrainDam1> if it dries out it might become a dielectric 2018-01-19T19:05:28 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:05:34 < BrainDam1> you'll want to waah the pcb after etching anyway 2018-01-19T19:05:53 < rajkosto> yeah but acter the copper reaction with the etchant 2018-01-19T19:06:00 < BrainDam1> i question how effective it might be tough 2018-01-19T19:06:03 < rajkosto> it might be stuck inside the pcb layers 2018-01-19T19:06:12 < rajkosto> without me having a way to clean it out 2018-01-19T19:06:13 < BrainDam1> you'll have very little circulation 2018-01-19T19:06:20 < rajkosto> ill rub it 2018-01-19T19:06:43 < rajkosto> people have shown that rubbing it over a pcb with very little amounts of etchant is about as effective as just dipping it into a vat of it 2018-01-19T19:07:30 < rajkosto> but i dont want 1. the pcb subtrate getting soaked in conductive ferrhic chloride where i cant reach to clean it or 2. whatever is left after the reaction to stay stuck in there, conductive 2018-01-19T19:09:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:10:19 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-19T19:15:40 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:16:16 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:17:21 < jsoft> Is there some cunning way to save on flash space for situatons where I have a lot of snprintf(x, y, "blah blah blah") going on ? 2018-01-19T19:17:59 < jsoft> essentially i have a foo.setThing() and in there it's snprintf() and a uart sending function and a rx function and return 2018-01-19T19:18:17 < jsoft> Kinda seems repeditive but I am not sure how to make it more betterer 2018-01-19T19:19:20 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:22:12 -!- ds2 [~ds2@rehut.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:25:47 < aandrew> Laurence_b: this is for you: https://i.imgur.com/4feTmb2.gifv 2018-01-19T19:27:22 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:28:40 -!- Timmy [~quassel@unaffiliated/timmyt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-19T19:40:47 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-19T19:41:36 < Laurence_b> wew 2018-01-19T19:41:39 < Laurence_b> surely fake 2018-01-19T19:46:35 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-19T19:46:47 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T19:49:04 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T20:00:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-19T20:00:32 < upgrdman> jsoft, not sure. what c lib are you using? theres things like "nano" which are supposed to be stripped down and smaller. or go full autism and write you own minimalist snprintf() with only the features you need. 2018-01-19T20:04:47 < rajkosto> aandrew, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZYiUT0q-f8 this seems to be the way instead of drilling 2018-01-19T20:08:25 < aandrew> ok so they went the "stripmine" approach there 2018-01-19T20:11:27 < jpa-> jsoft: why not just a single config thing where you can store values and index them by names? 2018-01-19T20:11:45 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-19T20:12:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T20:12:28 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-19T20:13:10 < jsoft> upgrdman, whatever the default one is for gcc 2018-01-19T20:14:43 < jsoft> jpa-, hmmmm id have to ponder over that 2018-01-19T20:18:53 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-19T20:20:49 < Steffanx> an easy flash saver is what upgrdman said. Using newlib-nano 2018-01-19T20:21:42 < jsoft> Steffanx, hmm thanks 2018-01-19T20:21:49 < jsoft> Cheers upgrdman, jpa 2018-01-19T20:21:58 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-19T20:25:27 < Steffanx> once there was this read me on how to use it and what the options are, but cannot find it -_- 2018-01-19T20:27:45 < zyp> Steffanx, haha 2018-01-19T20:29:36 < zyp> Steffanx, seems like they've actually taken it down 2018-01-19T20:29:56 < Steffanx> i believe i've found it on the gnu arm embedded launchpad page, but .. 2018-01-19T20:30:00 < Steffanx> back in the time 2018-01-19T20:30:00 < zyp> yes 2018-01-19T20:30:03 < zyp> and it's not there now 2018-01-19T20:30:23 < Steffanx> great 2018-01-19T20:31:21 < Steffanx> oh arm has a copy 2018-01-19T20:31:30 < Steffanx> in the source tar.gz 2018-01-19T20:32:36 < Steffanx> jsoft fyi: https://pastebin.com/gatLdZHV that's the readme i was referring to. 2018-01-19T20:32:48 < Steffanx> * C Libraries usage * 2018-01-19T20:34:36 < jsoft> Steffanx, thanks 2018-01-19T20:38:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b7e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T20:45:54 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyd2d7t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T20:48:01 < kikes> talked to a neighbour first time 2018-01-19T20:48:04 < kikes> in the elevator 2018-01-19T20:48:33 < Steffanx> big step? :D 2018-01-19T20:48:43 < sync> > elevator 2018-01-19T20:48:46 < sync> > more than 1 person 2018-01-19T20:48:55 < sync> are you not in finland anymore? 2018-01-19T20:51:10 < BrainDamage> doesn't your personal space area extend to the whole elevator? you might as well be making out 2018-01-19T20:53:40 < kikes> I was suprised he didn't say "I'll just take stairs" 2018-01-19T20:54:33 < kikes> many times she says that but they are sporty girls they take stairs anyways maybe 2018-01-19T20:55:27 < BrainDamage> he or she 2018-01-19T20:56:45 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2018-01-19T20:57:51 < Steffanx> lol kikes. ^ 2018-01-19T20:58:19 < kikes> he does whatever he wants 2018-01-19T20:58:45 < kikes> if he wants to ride elevator he does 2018-01-19T20:59:18 < kikes> if he wants to take stairs he just walks to stairs 2018-01-19T20:59:41 < sync> BrainDamage: considering it is finland, probably both 2018-01-19T21:06:48 < kikes> maybe girls politelly say to take stairs because I politelly hold the door like I was going to kidnap them 2018-01-19T21:07:13 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:1d74:f5cc:42d2:5b36] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T21:07:35 < kikes> and when guy comes I just hold the door and I'm like bro get in 2018-01-19T21:08:21 < BrainDamage> http://thumbpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/funny-holding-doors-question-distance1.jpg?&w=172?&h=162?&zc=1?&q=80 2018-01-19T21:09:51 -!- MrMobius_ [d80e417d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.14.65.125] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T21:24:17 < Rob235> is fruit cocktail keeping the pear industry alive? I've never had a pear in anything besides fruit cocktail 2018-01-19T21:24:35 < Rob235> stupid fruit 2018-01-19T21:25:03 < BrainDamage> the rest of the world that isn't usa actually eats fruits outside prepackaged meals 2018-01-19T21:25:27 < Rob235> I eat lots of fruit. I just meant pears are stupid. I dont like them 2018-01-19T21:27:15 < BrainDamage> maybe you'd enjoy more a pear of anguish 2018-01-19T21:28:16 < Rob235> nah, I'd enjoy a pear of titties 2018-01-19T21:34:09 < kikes> BrainDamage, I wonder if it's the cold temperature that freezes the brain so people go awkward 2018-01-19T21:35:38 < BrainDamage> more like due to low temps people tend to stay indoors and socialize less 2018-01-19T21:35:47 < kikes> yes 2018-01-19T21:36:00 < BrainDamage> also lack of sunlight has a pretty documented impact to overall mood 2018-01-19T21:36:03 < kikes> and move less and less blood to flow into brain 2018-01-19T21:36:08 < kikes> that too 2018-01-19T21:36:28 < sync> Rob235: pears grow in my garden 2018-01-19T21:36:32 < kikes> did I say I have 10000lumen alarm clock? 2018-01-19T21:37:05 < Rob235> chop the tree down and plant something better 2018-01-19T21:37:42 < BrainDamage> i actually have a 1kLm rgb led die i wanted to make a sunrise alarm clock with 2018-01-19T21:38:05 < BrainDamage> then like most of my projects i forgot the parts abandoned in a drawer while i waited for each part to arrive 2018-01-19T21:40:48 < sync> like what Rob235? 2018-01-19T21:40:56 < Rob235> hmm 2018-01-19T21:41:00 < Rob235> mango! 2018-01-19T21:41:07 < BrainDamage> durian 2018-01-19T21:41:17 < Rob235> cherry, even apple 2018-01-19T21:42:54 < sync> I already have cherries, 4-5 different apple variants, peaches, strawberries, gooseberries, jostaberry, raspberries and red/blackcurrant 2018-01-19T21:43:09 < sync> I don't think mango would grow very well here 2018-01-19T21:44:27 < Rob235> peaches are some of my favorite, not sure why they slipped my mind. nice selection you have, but its all been tainted with pear! :) 2018-01-19T21:44:48 < sync> ah, and I have plums 2018-01-19T21:45:28 < Rob235> plums are hit or miss. maybe I just dont know how to tell when they are ripe 2018-01-19T21:45:33 < Rob235> what about cantaloupe 2018-01-19T21:45:47 < sync> well if they are not ripe I wait a day or two 2018-01-19T21:46:01 < sync> oh, those are called damson plums, interesting 2018-01-19T21:46:17 < Rob235> jalapenos, broccoli, any veggies? 2018-01-19T21:46:34 < sync> hm, melons, I could try that 2018-01-19T21:49:52 < sync> yes, salad, onions, pumpkins, potatoes, peas, tomatos, peppers, brussels sprouts, turnip cabbage and cauliflower 2018-01-19T21:56:06 < Rob235> the printer screwed up bad halfway through but I'm happy the hole worked out: https://imgur.com/a/64WNp 2018-01-19T21:56:58 < Rob235> cant make it through a print without one or a couple layers getting messed up from something falling off or getting stuck 2018-01-19T21:57:20 < BrainDamage> remember you can always drill afterwards 2018-01-19T21:57:44 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:1d74:f5cc:42d2:5b36] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-19T21:57:46 < Rob235> yea, kinda tough since I did the hole at an arch 2018-01-19T21:57:56 < Rob235> to go with the shape of the bridge but if its just cleaning it up it will be ok 2018-01-19T21:58:50 < Rob235> I forgot the hole in the first one so I'm gonna use that to try out drilling and sanding and other post processing stuff 2018-01-19T21:59:47 < Rob235> I might have to get a prusa i3 mk3 2018-01-19T22:01:24 < Rob235> I designed a part that was gonna take 26 hours at .3 layer height so now I'm cutting it into pieces since I cant let it go past closing time at the library 2018-01-19T22:05:35 < Steffanx> heh, better get some cheapish anet a6/8 Rob235. 2018-01-19T22:05:50 < Steffanx> Some tweaking and get better results 2018-01-19T22:06:07 < Laurence_b> https://imgoat.com/uploads/5f4a8d465e/77331.png 2018-01-19T22:06:10 < Laurence_b> like a boss 2018-01-19T22:06:13 < Steffanx> Seems like the axes are pretty wobbly 2018-01-19T22:06:16 < Rob235> better than a prusa? 2018-01-19T22:06:27 < Rob235> ohh from the one I'm using now 2018-01-19T22:06:37 < Steffanx> Nah, when is see your current results, yeah. 2018-01-19T22:07:06 < Rob235> yea well its a shitty replicator at the library so its probably not even taken care of well 2018-01-19T22:07:23 < Laurence_b> usb hub filtering works 2018-01-19T22:07:30 < Steffanx> What the layer height there Rob235? 2018-01-19T22:07:38 < Steffanx> 0.4? 2018-01-19T22:07:50 < Rob235> the one with the hole is .3, the one in the background which you cant see enough anyway is .25 2018-01-19T22:07:56 < BrainDamage> Laurence_b: dumb question, but have you actually tried to talk with st? 2018-01-19T22:08:09 < Laurence_b> BrainDamage: no, I migth do that 2018-01-19T22:08:09 < BrainDamage> even just to ask what noise floor density definition they picked 2018-01-19T22:08:21 < Laurence_b> its still not meeting the spec tho, quite 2018-01-19T22:08:24 < Laurence_b> yeah 2018-01-19T22:08:35 < Steffanx> i wonder if they will tell Laurence_b to solder the chips properly first :P 2018-01-19T22:08:46 < Laurence_b> looks like its crazy sensitive to power supply noise 2018-01-19T22:09:05 < Rob235> but even at .3 it took 7-8 hours so I coudln't try .2 like I wanted 2018-01-19T22:09:06 < Laurence_b> I've stuck c - l - c - l - c inside the hub now 2018-01-19T22:09:07 < Steffanx> Hot air soldering... with manual reflow profile.. 2018-01-19T22:09:34 < Laurence_b> I suspect the ~200hz spike is sensor DSP related 2018-01-19T22:09:49 < BrainDamage> also, another dumb question 2018-01-19T22:09:54 < Laurence_b> should prob read some ST patents to see how it actually works internally 2018-01-19T22:09:55 < BrainDamage> what's the board's resonance frequency at? 2018-01-19T22:10:09 < Laurence_b> BrainDamage: >6kHz 2018-01-19T22:10:24 < BrainDamage> ok, so that's the 2nd spike 2018-01-19T22:10:42 < Laurence_b> https://imgoat.com/uploads/5f4a8d465e/77333.PNG 2018-01-19T22:10:49 < Laurence_b> hmm seems unlikely 2018-01-19T22:10:55 < Laurence_b> there is no environmental noise 2018-01-19T22:12:03 < Laurence_b> https://imgoat.com/uploads/5f4a8d465e/77334.png accel 2018-01-19T22:14:20 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T22:15:27 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T22:16:00 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-19T22:16:19 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T22:16:27 < Steffanx> Did you even rule out mechanical stress issues or bad/uneven reflowing issues Laurence_b? 2018-01-19T22:17:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-19T22:20:20 < Laurence_b> Steffanx: no 2018-01-19T22:20:42 < Laurence_b> but the problem is much less severe with a high quality power supply 2018-01-19T22:23:01 < Laurence_b> gyro is now almost good enough to measure babby transporter vibration with a single sensor 2018-01-19T22:23:07 < Laurence_b> assuming its rigid... 2018-01-19T22:23:27 < Laurence_b> rather than three accels and interpolating for the exact internal position 2018-01-19T22:28:44 -!- MrMobius_ [d80e417d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.14.65.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-19T22:47:41 < Laurence_b> anyone know how much current the stm32f0 usb uses? 2018-01-19T22:47:59 < Laurence_b> I mean the specs are in the datasheet, but surely Tx on the bus will use more current? 2018-01-19T22:55:35 < upgrdman_> Laurence_b, so your problem dimished a lot with a better psu? 2018-01-19T22:56:14 < upgrdman_> that kinda curious. maybe i should be less lazy with my IMUs. just using LM78xx and minimal decuckling capacitors :) 2018-01-19T22:56:49 < Laurence_b> upgrdman: yeah, first results were with filtering built into the sensors, so c - l - c - vreg - c 2018-01-19T22:57:16 < Laurence_b> now I added c - l - c - l -c into the usb hub as well and its v close to spec below 200hz 2018-01-19T22:58:55 < Laurence_b> first results used a clone of this http://andybrown.me.uk/2015/07/24/usb-filtering/ 2018-01-19T22:59:06 < upgrdman_> lol 2018-01-19T22:59:09 < Laurence_b> and its was shitty, but I'm not sure how much it was due to that design 2018-01-19T22:59:23 < upgrdman_> wait you were powering with +5V? 2018-01-19T22:59:32 < Laurence_b> - sensor PCBs have that built in 2018-01-19T22:59:38 < upgrdman_> o 2018-01-19T22:59:38 < upgrdman_> ok 2018-01-19T22:59:40 < Laurence_b> no I have a Ti reg to 3.3v 2018-01-19T22:59:42 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman 2018-01-19T22:59:55 < upgrdman> so more filtering BEFORE the ldo fixed it? 2018-01-19T23:00:03 < Laurence_b> I forget the part no, but it was chosen for low noise and good rejection ratio 2018-01-19T23:00:06 < Laurence_b> yes 2018-01-19T23:00:16 < upgrdman> i guess not good enough rej ratio :) 2018-01-19T23:00:30 < Laurence_b> looks like st gyros are crazy sensitive to noise 2018-01-19T23:00:40 < Laurence_b> but it'd be nice to know where in the spectrum 2018-01-19T23:00:57 < Laurence_b> scope results from the 3.3v rail dont show anything obviously bad 2018-01-19T23:02:27 < Laurence_b> interesting that there is an F0 off the 3.3v rail too but that doesnt kill it 2018-01-19T23:03:02 < Laurence_b> I should try a self powered one with lipo cell 2018-01-19T23:04:52 < jpa-> maybe your c-l-c on the board is acting as a speaker 2018-01-19T23:05:57 < Laurence_b> lol 2018-01-19T23:06:08 < Laurence_b> this thing is so sensitive I could believe that 2018-01-19T23:06:29 < Laurence_b> has to be wrapped in my coat and stuck on a cardboard box tower to get down to the noise floor 2018-01-19T23:06:42 < jpa-> https://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/powerhouse/archive/2016/08/09/how-to-reduce-acoustic-noise-of-mlccs-in-power-applications 2018-01-19T23:06:50 < Laurence_b> trains screw it up totally 2018-01-19T23:07:32 < Laurence_b> interesting link thanx 2018-01-19T23:07:50 < Laurence_b> hmm I used those caps on my horse board, prob have a roll still 2018-01-19T23:08:00 < Laurence_b> but that was to avoid sound ->ECG 2018-01-19T23:12:44 < Laurence_b> tiem for stupid videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvl112Khwlg 2018-01-19T23:18:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-19T23:30:32 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T23:38:45 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-19T23:47:38 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-19T23:51:50 < jadew> probably old news already, https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/19/channel-4-calls-in-security-experts-after-cathy-newman-suffers-online-abuse 2018-01-19T23:52:09 < jadew> I saw the video when it came out and thought it's great, but didn't think it would become a sensation --- Day changed Sat Jan 20 2018 2018-01-20T00:00:35 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-20T00:03:43 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T00:08:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-20T00:14:54 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T00:19:38 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyd2d7t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-20T00:20:00 -!- kikes [~Janne@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyd2d7t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T00:21:30 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-20T00:21:56 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T00:26:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T00:36:27 < Steffanx> Lol we dont need a new laurence, jadew :P 2018-01-20T00:36:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T00:37:13 < jadew> I follow Peterson's lectures, they're really good 2018-01-20T00:39:30 < Steffanx> Peterson who? 2018-01-20T00:39:38 < jadew> Jordan Peterson 2018-01-20T00:40:00 < jadew> he's a psychologist from Canada 2018-01-20T00:41:56 < jadew> has a course on the map of meanings, which explores how human evolution and the way we are is exposed in virtually every story ever told 2018-01-20T00:42:00 < kikes> why is everybody linking him here all the time 2018-01-20T00:43:17 < jadew> and in doing that, he also touches on a bunch of other subjects that seem very interesting and mind blowing at times 2018-01-20T00:43:35 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-20T00:44:31 < jadew> it's just great insight into the human mind and society 2018-01-20T00:45:24 < jadew> then he has a bible series, where he analyzes the bible from the same perspective 2018-01-20T00:45:44 < jadew> if you start watching his lecture, I'd start with the maps of meaning, because he explains there how religions form and evolve 2018-01-20T00:45:58 < jadew> and that's a good background for the bible series 2018-01-20T00:49:24 < jadew> that iterview that they're talking about, reminds me of an interview with Thomas Sowell, who was equally calculated and well researched in his debates 2018-01-20T00:51:35 < jadew> I recommend watching that interview, because it's an amazing display of verbal acuity 2018-01-20T00:51:59 < jadew> he managed to avoid letting any loose threads 2018-01-20T00:52:09 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T00:52:14 < jadew> despite the storm of trick questions 2018-01-20T00:57:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-20T01:02:42 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T01:09:19 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T01:09:35 -!- MrM0bius [680b4ee4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.11.78.228] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T01:12:32 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T01:19:06 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-20T01:30:16 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-20T01:33:42 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T01:41:25 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-20T01:44:45 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T01:59:30 < jadew> microchip sucks balls 2018-01-20T01:59:48 < jadew> they've redirected EVERYTHING on atmel.com to the home page of microchip.com 2018-01-20T02:00:06 < jadew> so every link on the internet that used to go to the atmel site is broken 2018-01-20T02:01:12 < jadew> there are even links on their site that aren't working 2018-01-20T02:02:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b7e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-20T02:10:49 < kikes> they suck 2018-01-20T02:10:53 < kikes> pic suck too 2018-01-20T02:16:33 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-20T02:21:38 < karlp> jadew: at least microchip's site is faster 2018-01-20T02:21:49 < karlp> and it's not like atmel gave a shit about preserving links either 2018-01-20T02:21:54 < karlp> they regularly broke everything 2018-01-20T02:23:37 < jadew> yeah, but this is on a different level 2018-01-20T02:23:47 < jadew> they could have at least redirected the links to the datasheets 2018-01-20T02:24:04 < jadew> btw, did you see what I said about jlcpcb? 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i need to do subdivision shit for some surfaces, it is reallly hard to do in solvespace 2018-01-20T05:10:56 < upgrdman> very little, and its a pain in the arse for cad 2018-01-20T05:11:16 < upgrdman> this might help you if you want to struggle through cad'ing with blender: 2018-01-20T05:11:20 < ohsix> doing just the hull and some markers is it 2018-01-20T05:11:35 < upgrdman> http://rab3d.com/tut_blender.php 2018-01-20T05:11:40 < ohsix> i can import it as a solid model and attacj the important stuff 2018-01-20T05:12:07 < ohsix> nice! 2018-01-20T05:12:37 < ohsix> what would you say is a primary or short list of reasons why it sucks for cad. my guess would be dimensioning 2018-01-20T05:13:06 < upgrdman> ya dimensioning is most of it. 2018-01-20T05:13:45 < upgrdman> the Solidify modifier is also a bitch if you mesh has acute angles. 2018-01-20T05:13:58 < upgrdman> which can be annoying if you want to 3d print shells 2018-01-20T05:22:05 * jsoft throws a hissy fit and decides to set up a nice, working, vim + Makefile setup 2018-01-20T05:22:18 * jsoft kicks system workbench in the testicles 2018-01-20T05:23:15 < ohsix> upgrdman: can you add that kind of ui/interaction tool from python? 2018-01-20T05:26:43 < upgrdman> huh 2018-01-20T05:34:57 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-20T05:35:15 < Thorn> Electron launch (hopefully) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9PVmjjI_c 2018-01-20T05:36:18 < upgrdman> Thorn, when 2018-01-20T05:36:58 < Thorn> 4:20 UTC 2018-01-20T05:42:07 < jadew> 40 minutes till it blows up? 2018-01-20T05:42:20 < jadew> I have to clear my schedule 2018-01-20T05:42:54 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-230-19.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T05:43:54 -!- MrM0bius [680b4ee4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.11.78.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-20T05:44:31 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-20T05:45:12 < upgrdman> random questions: anyone use arm-and-hammer detergent packs? like tide pods clones. any good? theyre like half the price. 2018-01-20T05:47:35 < MrMobius> are there going to be people on it? 2018-01-20T05:48:19 < jadew> MrMobius, if they were, they wouldn't name it "Still testing..." 2018-01-20T05:48:27 < jadew> cuz nobody would get in 2018-01-20T05:48:31 < MrMobius> boring then 2018-01-20T05:48:34 < MrMobius> not watching it blow up 2018-01-20T05:48:45 < jadew> I like fireworks 2018-01-20T05:49:09 < jadew> in fact, when it's about to start I'll wake up the rest of my family so we can watch it together 2018-01-20T05:49:41 < jadew> looks very small btw 2018-01-20T05:50:16 < jadew> if it had people, they'd have to be standing, cuz I don't think there's enough room leg in there 2018-01-20T05:50:23 < jadew> *leg room 2018-01-20T05:51:46 < MrMobius> maybe they just find really small people 2018-01-20T05:51:54 < MrMobius> I know Im too tall to be an astronaut in the US 2018-01-20T05:52:51 < jadew> I guess fat people will get to space last 2018-01-20T05:53:19 < MrMobius> or pay for two seats like on airplanes 2018-01-20T05:53:23 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-20T05:53:48 < upgrdman> i've seen plenty of fatties on planes, crammed into one seat 2018-01-20T05:54:32 < upgrdman> overflowing 2018-01-20T05:54:36 < jadew> yeay, but apparently getting 1kg of stuff into space is very expensive 2018-01-20T05:54:47 < jadew> that's why they drink each other's pee in there 2018-01-20T05:54:50 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-20T05:57:17 < MrMobius> im sure they let you drink your own pee too 2018-01-20T05:57:44 < MrMobius> in Russian prisons when you make tattoo ink out of ash and urine, you have to use your own urine 2018-01-20T05:57:51 < MrMobius> big taboo to use someone else's 2018-01-20T05:59:59 < jadew> is urnie necessary? 2018-01-20T06:00:04 < jadew> what happens if you use water? 2018-01-20T06:00:20 < jadew> or is it because it has to be sterile? 2018-01-20T06:03:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@75-146-53-142-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T06:04:15 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T06:05:16 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T06:06:12 < MrMobius> those are all good questions 2018-01-20T06:10:06 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2018-01-20T06:21:21 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T06:22:19 < ohsix> upgrdman: dunno what ui looks like but it seemingly does https://docs.blender.org/api/2.79/bpy.ops.html 2018-01-20T06:22:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@75-146-53-142-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-20T06:22:49 < upgrdman> oh thats what you meant 2018-01-20T06:22:50 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-20T06:23:04 < upgrdman> that's the ~whole point of blender py scripting 2018-01-20T06:24:32 < ohsix> you can sort of shove it into an operator 2018-01-20T06:25:02 < upgrdman> you can also write extensions, which are like mini programs, with gui widgets etc 2018-01-20T06:25:11 < upgrdman> e.g. a gear design tool 2018-01-20T06:25:49 < upgrdman> thats part of why i bought a python book. figure it time to not google my way through every step of fighting python 2018-01-20T06:30:20 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has quit [] 2018-01-20T06:41:13 < ohsix> heh 2018-01-20T06:41:28 < ohsix> blender has selection stuff i expected from fusion 360 2018-01-20T06:41:50 < upgrdman> ohsix, like what? 2018-01-20T06:41:51 < ohsix> edge rings, loops, etc 2018-01-20T06:41:58 < upgrdman> oh ya 2018-01-20T06:42:05 < upgrdman> super useful, even for art 2018-01-20T06:42:29 < Thorn> even maya has that 2018-01-20T06:42:37 < upgrdman> the knife tool is helpful too 2018-01-20T06:42:48 < ohsix> fusion can be clever in the actual operator if you pick a face and try to bevel or whatever, but that seems backwards 2me 2018-01-20T06:42:53 < upgrdman> Thorn, "even" ? i'd hope a commercial tool would outdo blender 2018-01-20T06:43:11 < Thorn> well 2018-01-20T06:43:19 < Thorn> given its history... lol 2018-01-20T06:43:32 < upgrdman> i remember torrenting maya back in 2004 or 2005 2018-01-20T06:43:42 < upgrdman> was kinda shit :) 2018-01-20T06:44:06 < Thorn> they ditched mental ray 2018-01-20T06:44:22 < upgrdman> i liked Lightwave gui look tho. but never tried it as a tool. 2018-01-20T06:44:24 < ohsix> linked faces, sharp edges, it has the stuff 2018-01-20T06:44:46 < ohsix> maya was the one that made the most sense to me :o 2018-01-20T06:45:07 < ohsix> never did much with it but i knew where the crap would be 2018-01-20T06:46:40 < ohsix> huh you can right click on a ui element and translate it in the main ui? huhuh 2018-01-20T06:47:16 < ohsix> from the fail i got when i tried it, it looks like you can set it up to submit translations really easily 2018-01-20T06:52:04 < ohsix> i'm seeing a lot of junk that seems to make sense now, it may be blender time 2018-01-20T06:52:30 < ohsix> you need all those selection tools the way manipulation works :D 2018-01-20T06:53:12 < upgrdman> lucky you, learning blender in the era of youtube. god damn i would i have loved that back in 2001-2002 when i started to learn blender 2018-01-20T06:54:35 < upgrdman> also lots of videos and book on TPB if you search for blender 2018-01-20T06:54:43 < upgrdman> and libgen too 2018-01-20T06:57:54 < jadew> nooo... did I miss the launch? 2018-01-20T06:58:13 < jadew> did it launch or what? 2018-01-20T06:58:21 < jadew> last time I checked it was stuck at T-12 2018-01-20T06:58:44 < upgrdman> jadew, you can rewird live feeds, lol 2018-01-20T06:58:53 < jadew> didn't know that 2018-01-20T06:59:02 < upgrdman> they postponed it i guess 2018-01-20T06:59:11 < jadew> trolls 2018-01-20T06:59:45 < jadew> well, at least I didn't miss it 2018-01-20T07:08:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-20T07:09:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-20T07:40:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T07:43:24 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T07:43:36 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@pa49-181-230-19.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-20T07:44:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-20T07:47:23 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-20T07:48:38 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T07:57:52 -!- day_ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T08:01:20 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-20T08:01:20 -!- day_ is now known as day 2018-01-20T08:01:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T08:14:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T08:31:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-20T09:14:47 -!- kikes [~Janne@87.92.78.189] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T09:16:57 < jsoft> Just spent forever converting a system workbench project to a Makefile one, based off of a CubeMX Makefile output. 2018-01-20T09:17:13 < jsoft> Many many fixes and additions later, it eezz zweeerking! Finally. 2018-01-20T09:21:28 < MrMobius> is that a German z? 2018-01-20T09:21:43 < MrMobius> pronounced like tswerking? 2018-01-20T09:23:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b7e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T09:24:49 < jsoft> "it is working" with a germen accent. 2018-01-20T09:25:25 -!- kikes [~Janne@87.92.78.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-20T09:25:27 < MrMobius> I was hoping it was twerking 2018-01-20T09:37:16 < jsoft> it is zwerking 2018-01-20T10:02:59 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T10:07:58 < Steffanx> Did you hate ac6 or do you love makefiles jsoft ? 2018-01-20T10:07:59 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T10:10:13 < PaulFertser> jsoft: what was the main issue? I thought it's usually enough to simply add all *.c files to the list of sources and copy CFLAGS + LDFLAGS. 2018-01-20T10:15:03 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T10:18:26 < jsoft> Steffanx, I hate AC6, and Makefiles, once done, are simpler. 2018-01-20T10:19:05 < jsoft> PaulFertser, it was adding C++ stuff to it as well, in addition to some additional --nosys.spec, and a few other things which took a while to figure out. 2018-01-20T10:20:00 < PaulFertser> jsoft: I see. Is you target not supported by libopencm3? 2018-01-20T10:22:02 < jsoft> I think it is 2018-01-20T10:24:23 < PaulFertser> I just wonder why you decided to use st's library instead then :) 2018-01-20T10:24:58 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T10:28:24 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T10:28:55 < jsoft> Why should I use libopencm3 ? 2018-01-20T10:29:48 < zyp> you should use whatever you want 2018-01-20T10:36:31 < PaulFertser> jsoft: in my opinion its API is much saner and thus easier to use correctly, and also its code is easier to follow. 2018-01-20T10:37:14 < jsoft> I dunno, Im using the LL_ stuff, and I found it pretty straight forward, its pretty close to straight registers 2018-01-20T10:49:26 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T10:49:50 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T10:55:29 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-20T10:56:50 < invzim> is atollic any good? 2018-01-20T10:57:10 < invzim> may as well give it a go if it's the way forward 2018-01-20T11:21:23 * jsoft is abandoning ide's 2018-01-20T11:21:26 < jsoft> for now :) 2018-01-20T11:30:32 < Steffanx> If you dont have eclipse its a good tool invzim 2018-01-20T11:31:14 < Steffanx> Hate* 2018-01-20T11:31:25 < Steffanx> Not "have" 2018-01-20T11:34:27 < Steffanx> Surely better than ac6 invzim 2018-01-20T11:34:39 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.25.62.104] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T11:34:39 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.25.62.104] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-20T11:34:39 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T11:40:12 < Steffanx> Better as in, better integrated features, more features. Oh and it can import/convert AC6 projects :) 2018-01-20T11:59:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-b7e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-20T11:59:38 -!- day_ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T12:02:07 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T12:02:12 -!- day_ is now known as day 2018-01-20T12:11:26 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T12:15:15 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-20T12:16:02 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T12:23:17 < kikes> hello predator 2018-01-20T12:23:23 < kikes> Laurence_b, you there? 2018-01-20T12:42:12 < Steffanx> kikes, you there? 2018-01-20T12:42:40 < kikes> no 2018-01-20T12:42:53 < kikes> not here 2018-01-20T12:43:34 < Steffanx> ok, bye 2018-01-20T12:43:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-20T12:50:57 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T12:51:22 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T12:56:10 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T13:12:21 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-20T13:27:28 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-20T13:36:44 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:6ca3:ee5d:13eb:4974] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T13:40:20 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-20T13:40:41 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T13:41:18 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T13:42:52 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T13:54:04 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.160.113] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T13:54:04 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.160.113] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-20T13:54:04 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T13:56:56 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T14:14:52 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-20T14:16:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T14:30:53 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T14:35:43 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T14:35:58 < Tectu> first altidongs PCB: no faults 2018-01-20T14:36:07 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T14:58:37 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-20T15:04:29 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-20T15:04:42 < Steffanx> \o/ tectu \o/ 2018-01-20T15:05:57 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:08:54 < kikes> recommend hall effect sensors for unintrusive measurements of DC currents in wires? 2018-01-20T15:12:45 < kikes> ampere range to measure in this case 0-30A 2018-01-20T15:12:49 < kikes> larger is better too 2018-01-20T15:13:47 < Tectu> that does not sound like your typical weekend project 2018-01-20T15:13:59 < kikes> work project 2018-01-20T15:15:09 < Steffanx> stop work projects in your weekend kikes 2018-01-20T15:15:18 < kikes> why 2018-01-20T15:15:57 < kikes> I rest doing my work 2018-01-20T15:16:12 < kikes> and stress in my own projects 2018-01-20T15:16:39 < Tectu> you're doing it wrong 2018-01-20T15:16:44 < kikes> and I have a lot to show 2018-01-20T15:16:59 < kikes> and I'm also very poor atm. so nothing fun on weekends 2018-01-20T15:17:02 < BrainDamage> burning yourself out won't make you last long 2018-01-20T15:17:08 < Tectu> tell them to give you money - works every time 2018-01-20T15:17:20 < kikes> they said they would 2018-01-20T15:17:27 < BrainDamage> take a walk, read a book, pirate a movie 2018-01-20T15:17:27 < Tectu> well stop until they did 2018-01-20T15:17:35 < kikes> but I'll stretch it 2018-01-20T15:17:56 < kikes> I walk to my jub, I walk to everywhere 2018-01-20T15:18:02 < BrainDamage> sexually assault the neighbour with confusing gender in the sauna 2018-01-20T15:18:10 < kikes> hey 2018-01-20T15:18:14 < kikes> sauna party 2018-01-20T15:18:34 < Tectu> happened to me just last week. a customer didn't pay in time. I told them that the money will be in my account in 24 hours or I'll stop the project. 12 hours later BAHM, 175k money 2018-01-20T15:18:45 < kikes> :D 2018-01-20T15:18:51 < kikes> 175kilomoneys :o 2018-01-20T15:18:57 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-20T15:19:01 < Tectu> regular monthly income 2018-01-20T15:19:10 < Tectu> gotta buy all the swiss cheese 2018-01-20T15:19:22 < Tectu> nah, just kidding 2018-01-20T15:19:32 < kikes> how much of that is to your pocket? 2018-01-20T15:19:35 < Tectu> they said they have 1.5M budget and 18 months time so I told them that I need 175k every month 2018-01-20T15:19:42 < Tectu> they said "cool" 2018-01-20T15:19:46 < kikes> :D 2018-01-20T15:19:56 < Tectu> that's how to business 2018-01-20T15:20:14 < Tectu> altium doesn't pay for itself 2018-01-20T15:20:14 < Steffanx> Sadly only swissers are that crazy 2018-01-20T15:20:16 < kikes> are you working alone to get such low amount per month? 2018-01-20T15:20:38 < Tectu> nah, got other people 2018-01-20T15:20:45 < Tectu> otherwise 175k per month would be silly 2018-01-20T15:21:07 < Tectu> also, it's only 125k, they owed me 50k from another thingy 2018-01-20T15:21:07 < kikes> "I need to order some resistors and shiet.. I need 160k for that" 2018-01-20T15:21:14 < kikes> "15k as my salary" 2018-01-20T15:21:23 < Tectu> welly pretty much like that, yes 2018-01-20T15:22:14 < Tectu> well nah, just kidding. I'm a regular ee doing regular work for regular money. nothing fancy. 2018-01-20T15:22:35 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, cant you help your fellow italians to make proper hardware? 2018-01-20T15:23:02 < Steffanx> The Blue&me infotainment system in my italian car broke.. and then it started to drain the battery. 2018-01-20T15:23:08 < kikes> I need a rockstar level EE title for my jubb. any ideas? 2018-01-20T15:23:23 < Steffanx> IRC EE. 2018-01-20T15:23:25 < BrainDamage> I am pretty clumsy and make a lot of mistakes, me helping will likely make things worse 2018-01-20T15:23:26 < Tectu> ^ 2018-01-20T15:23:30 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:23:38 < kikes> I'm only EE in the house 2018-01-20T15:23:48 < Steffanx> You used to have a better self-esteem BrainDamage 2018-01-20T15:23:55 < Tectu> indeed 2018-01-20T15:24:52 < kikes> what has happends with BrainDamage? 2018-01-20T15:25:12 < Steffanx> Burn out. he warned you for a reason ;) 2018-01-20T15:26:37 < Steffanx> ^ idk if true. just made that up 2018-01-20T15:27:16 < kikes> yes 2018-01-20T15:27:59 < Tectu> also boobs 2018-01-20T15:28:29 < kikes> also yes 2018-01-20T15:28:43 < Tectu> no 2018-01-20T15:28:55 < kikes> no means no 2018-01-20T15:28:57 < Steffanx> and if true, it's not something to make fun of. So, sorry mr BrainDamage ;) 2018-01-20T15:29:03 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:30:40 < BrainDamage> yes i am burned out, but my self esteem has always been shit, i just ignore it if I'm not stressed 2018-01-20T15:31:01 < kikes> I find it harder to just slack weekends and then get back to full steam on wednesday than actually pump thru weekends fully engaged in some project 2018-01-20T15:31:24 < kikes> *by wednesday 2018-01-20T15:32:33 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuzuigmgwxnqoizy] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:35:32 < BrainDamage> i have few friends at fiat btw, but they all are in the management sector, so i can't help you get it replaced 2018-01-20T15:36:15 < Tectu> of course you can. they can manage the shit out of the people responsible for it ;) 2018-01-20T15:36:17 < Steffanx> Already went to the 2nd hand auto part webshop. Seem to be 1 or 2 trashed cars that have one for me. 2018-01-20T15:37:17 < BrainDamage> did they crash because the infotainment drained the battery and the control electronics seized? 2018-01-20T15:37:28 < sync> BrainDamage: > fiat 2018-01-20T15:37:33 < sync> I mean, pls 2018-01-20T15:37:42 < sync> their engines are developed in germoney 2018-01-20T15:38:01 < BrainDamage> it's not like i am supporting them 2018-01-20T15:38:17 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-20T15:38:17 < Steffanx> haha, maybe BrainDamage 2018-01-20T15:38:53 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:38:55 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:43:59 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-20T15:45:20 < Tectu> is someone interested in doing some altidongs work? ranges from doing just parts to doing an entire board (nothing complex, regular STM32F407 with ethernet and some random stuff) 2018-01-20T15:45:37 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:45:51 < BrainDamage> #stm32lancer 2018-01-20T15:46:05 < BrainDamage> we need to invite some pakistani first 2018-01-20T15:54:19 < Tectu> zyp around? is there anything fancy you need to do if you want a USB-C connector just for power supply reasons? Do you still need some chippery behind it or are there dedicated V+ and GND pins on the connector? 2018-01-20T15:56:15 < BrainDamage> what kind of power do you need, is it covered by charging downstream ports, or do you need power delivery? 2018-01-20T15:56:58 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T15:57:01 < BrainDamage> pd absolutely requires negotiation of both current and voltage 2018-01-20T15:57:51 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T16:01:52 < Tectu> 5V 1A would be more than enough. just to power my device. 2018-01-20T16:01:57 < Tectu> nothing to power downstream 2018-01-20T16:05:20 < BrainDamage> iirc you should be ok without negotiation, i have to dig back in the standard to be sure 2018-01-20T16:14:20 < BrainDamage> Tectu: usb spec, usb type-c file, page 24 & 25 2018-01-20T16:14:23 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T16:15:54 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T16:15:58 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T16:18:30 < BrainDamage> you need to short a pin to signal you're a sink, and then there's multiple powering modes 2018-01-20T16:20:56 < BrainDamage> classic usb 2.1 is limited to the the usual 500mA, battery charging for charging downstream and dedicated charging will let you fit your power goals, type-c current also lets you meet it with 1.5A capability, and ofc PD 2018-01-20T16:21:32 < BrainDamage> pd will require negotiation, the rest you should be able to get away with passives provided you don't care to verify in the device that the source advertises sufficient current capability 2018-01-20T16:24:52 < Tectu> BrainDamage, well thank you a lot for spending the time on that - really wouldn't have been necessary. I'm sure you have enough stuff on your own plate. Much appreciate though, thank you a lot! 2018-01-20T16:29:42 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T16:30:04 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-20T16:31:43 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T16:37:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T16:45:13 < kikes> are 2color 3mm leds usually common cathode? 2018-01-20T16:56:34 < Tectu> that sounds a question that digikey can answer 2018-01-20T16:57:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T16:59:26 < kikes> both 2018-01-20T16:59:31 < kikes> get whatever you need 2018-01-20T17:04:01 < kikes> but pin1 is red almost always 2018-01-20T17:04:04 < kikes> 2 is common 2018-01-20T17:04:08 < kikes> and 3 is green 2018-01-20T17:23:31 -!- Cracki_ [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T17:23:33 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2018-01-20T17:23:56 < jsoft> Am I tripping testicles, or should I be able to change MODER to an output from a previous alternate function of a LPUART, and then set the RX/TX pins low ? 2018-01-20T17:24:50 -!- Cracki_ is now known as Cracki 2018-01-20T17:25:04 < kikes> don't drop acid 2018-01-20T17:28:19 < englishman> kikes, why have you decided to go into the city and live as a poor city person rather than stay in the country with abundant saunas and kitties 2018-01-20T17:28:42 < kikes> work experience 2018-01-20T17:29:01 < Steffanx> -experience ? :P 2018-01-20T17:29:11 < Steffanx> i hear some people just want to go mailman. 2018-01-20T17:29:18 < kikes> and of necessity 2018-01-20T17:29:25 < Steffanx> is that a well paid job in finnishersland? 2018-01-20T17:29:30 < kikes> no 2018-01-20T17:29:45 < kikes> depends 2018-01-20T17:30:09 < kikes> if you are multipro you can earn >4k 2018-01-20T17:30:15 < kikes> else not 2018-01-20T17:30:21 < Steffanx> i mean as a mail man. You cant be a pro mailman 2018-01-20T17:30:44 < kikes> mailman is like 1600 2018-01-20T17:30:53 < Steffanx> before or after taxes? 2018-01-20T17:30:55 < kikes> or was it less or more no I don't know 2018-01-20T17:30:57 < kikes> before 2018-01-20T17:31:17 < kikes> I think they just did some trick to allow non union workers 2018-01-20T17:31:18 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-20T17:31:18 -!- aandrew [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T17:31:31 < kikes> and salaries went into shit 2018-01-20T17:36:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-20T17:36:58 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T18:15:53 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T18:16:51 -!- kaa [~Janne@78-27-109-99.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T18:20:38 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-20T18:23:16 -!- kaa is now known as kikes 2018-01-20T18:25:35 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T18:26:06 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T18:26:51 < zyp> Tectu, got your answers already? 2018-01-20T18:27:31 < Tectu> zyp, for the time being. will need to acquire some more info in the future 2018-01-20T18:27:33 < zyp> IIRC to signal you're a sink you only need a pulldown on each of CC1 and CC2 2018-01-20T18:28:25 < Tectu> this sounds like ev talk all over again 2018-01-20T18:29:37 < zyp> huh? 2018-01-20T18:42:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuzuigmgwxnqoizy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-20T18:46:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-235-5.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T18:53:15 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:6ca3:ee5d:13eb:4974] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-20T18:53:54 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/eh9qhq8v18b01.jpg 2018-01-20T18:54:37 < englishman> thanks for explaining the joke 2018-01-20T18:59:17 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T19:07:29 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T19:08:12 -!- kaa is now known as kikes_ 2018-01-20T19:08:15 -!- kikes [~Janne@78-27-109-99.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T19:18:09 < jadew> I'm watching one of the worst TV shows ever made 2018-01-20T19:18:19 < jadew> The Magicians 2018-01-20T19:18:42 < Tectu> jesus RJ45 connectors with mags are expensive as frick 2018-01-20T19:19:24 < jadew> poor dialog aside, parts of the plot are just abandoned 2018-01-20T19:20:57 < Steffanx> Why watch is jadew? 2018-01-20T19:21:02 < jadew> I have to 2018-01-20T19:21:06 < Steffanx> Why watch is jadew? 2018-01-20T19:21:08 < jadew> it's like Harry Potter, but with sluts 2018-01-20T19:21:27 < jadew> and sometimes partial nudity 2018-01-20T19:21:34 < Steffanx> Watched Laurence_b show yet? aka The End of the F***ing world? 2018-01-20T19:21:55 < jadew> no, what show is that? 2018-01-20T19:22:07 < Steffanx> what i just said. that's the title 2018-01-20T19:23:02 < jadew> I'll check it out, hope it's more comedy than drama 2018-01-20T19:23:04 < Steffanx> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6257970/videoplayer/vi3565664281?ref_=tt_pv_vi_aiv_1 trailer. 2018-01-20T19:23:39 < jadew> not going to watch the full trailer, but the first 5 seconds sold me on it 2018-01-20T19:24:07 -!- aandrew [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T19:24:33 < Steffanx> hah, i was about to say that. You only need the first 2 minutes of the real show to continue :) 2018-01-20T19:24:37 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T19:26:51 < englishman> Watch this instead https://youtu.be/nm26Kcc6Rdc 2018-01-20T19:27:22 < Steffanx> it's about canada... 2018-01-20T19:30:09 < Steffanx> Not even cats in there englishman 2018-01-20T19:30:55 < englishman> there is more to life than kittens Steffy. 2018-01-20T19:33:55 < Steffanx> lolyou englishman 2018-01-20T19:42:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-20T19:43:17 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T19:43:43 < upgrdman> wow, rigol is redesigning their cases https://www.rigolna.com/product-tour/ 2018-01-20T19:43:46 < upgrdman> black now 2018-01-20T19:45:21 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-20T20:06:11 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypcgfksewypltmev] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T20:17:49 < jadew> haha 2018-01-20T20:17:54 < jadew> fucking idiots 2018-01-20T20:18:12 < jadew> they're "keeping up" with keysight 2018-01-20T20:18:20 < jadew> what a shit move to switch to black 2018-01-20T20:18:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-20T20:19:26 < jadew> mixed benches are going to look awful 2018-01-20T20:21:12 < jadew> I wonder how much that SA costs, looks nice 2018-01-20T20:21:31 < jadew> I suppose they're competing with Tektronix too now 2018-01-20T20:24:32 -!- kikes_ [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T20:24:42 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T20:26:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-20T20:29:44 < Tectu> Laurence_b, ping 2018-01-20T20:44:18 < upgrdman> heh. was using a LinkedList when an ArrayList would have been fine. fixed that, literally 20x improvement. from 413ms average time, down to 19ms average time. 2018-01-20T20:45:27 < Steffanx> Java right? 2018-01-20T20:45:55 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-20T20:48:37 < upgrdman> i was doing lots of reads, which is brutal on a LL 2018-01-20T20:52:47 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-20T20:53:42 < ohsix> floop 2018-01-20T21:01:47 < Tectu> congratz upgrdmn 2018-01-20T21:02:05 < Tectu> also, you should really loose the last vowel as well 2018-01-20T21:02:09 < Tectu> it's kinda... flacky 2018-01-20T21:02:20 < upgrdman> inorite. O(1) is better than O(n), who would have thought?! 2018-01-20T21:02:53 < upgrdman> heh, its too late to change my name now. people have known me as upgrdman for almost two decades now. 2018-01-20T21:03:27 < Tectu> so you have to go back to every single one of them and come clean 2018-01-20T21:03:55 < upgrdman> challenge... declined 2018-01-20T21:07:46 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T21:08:59 < Steffanx> Tectu, get rid of your vowel. 2018-01-20T21:10:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T21:13:27 -!- Tectu is now known as tct 2018-01-20T21:13:35 -!- tct is now known as Tct 2018-01-20T21:17:44 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T21:20:24 -!- Tct is now known as tct 2018-01-20T21:20:33 < tct> there you go, mr. Steffanx 2018-01-20T21:21:21 -!- Steffanx is now known as Stffnx 2018-01-20T21:21:28 < Stffnx> i joined the club 2018-01-20T21:21:36 < tct> oh boy, shit is going down fo real 2018-01-20T21:21:44 < tct> jpa- /nick jp- 2018-01-20T21:37:31 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-20T21:43:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-20T21:43:56 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T21:56:16 < tct> for fuck sake... am I a complete idiot or is it really that hard to draw a board outline/shape somewhere in a CAD software and then import it into altidongz? 2018-01-20T21:57:36 < zyp> is the shape weird enough that it takes you more than half a minute to redraw in altium? 2018-01-20T21:58:20 < tct> nope. I just want a rectangular PCB with rounder corners 2018-01-20T21:58:44 < zyp> so? 2018-01-20T21:58:55 < Stffnx> altium can do dxf afaik 2018-01-20T21:58:55 < tct> first time altidongs noopb 2018-01-20T21:58:59 < Stffnx> did it like once. 2018-01-20T22:00:47 < tct> do it again, please 2018-01-20T22:01:51 < Stffnx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_mjCRK_aw better watch this great video i made 2018-01-20T22:02:13 < tct> very ron 2018-01-20T22:02:14 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T22:02:23 < tct> "pcb board" 2018-01-20T22:02:26 < tct> fuck you, ron. fuck you. 2018-01-20T22:03:43 < Stffnx> im sorry 2018-01-20T22:04:01 < tct> and he keeps saying it q__q 2018-01-20T22:04:25 < tct> like "LCD display" FUCK YOU, PERSON WHO SAYS THAT 2018-01-20T22:05:22 < Stffnx> like tct troll ? 2018-01-20T22:07:52 < tct> no 2018-01-20T22:11:32 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-20T22:17:52 < upgrdman> ya, redundancy is annoying huh? like "lazy nig" 2018-01-20T22:18:04 < upgrdman> or "pin number" 2018-01-20T22:18:27 < BrainDamage> rip in peace grammar 2018-01-20T22:18:37 < upgrdman> you only YOLO once 2018-01-20T22:20:56 < Stffnx> but hey upgrd"man" is redundant too. IRC has nothing else. 2018-01-20T22:21:02 < Stffnx> Only men on irc right? 2018-01-20T22:21:15 < upgrdman> leeloo claimed to be a woman 2018-01-20T22:21:41 < BrainDamage> i resent that, https://www.deepdotweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/on-the-internet-nobody-knows-youre-a-dog-meme.jpg 2018-01-20T22:22:04 < Stffnx> ^ that's not the ##stm32 opinion 2018-01-20T22:23:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-20T22:25:40 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypcgfksewypltmev] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-20T22:27:09 < Stffnx> So did my vid help tct? 2018-01-20T22:33:33 < tct> nah fuck that, I just don't give a shit about rounded corners and made it 80x80 rectangular right now 2018-01-20T22:44:30 < Stffnx> lol 2018-01-20T22:47:12 < scrts> getns, who is trading stocks? 2018-01-20T22:50:19 < upgrdman> if anyone is interesting in lidar/kinect stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04aXqKR2HSc 2018-01-20T23:10:03 < Stffnx> heh im glad its subtitled upgrdman 2018-01-20T23:18:40 < tct> oh noes, the swissers did it again 2018-01-20T23:39:19 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun Jan 21 2018 2018-01-21T00:03:39 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T00:05:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Simon--, scrotal_b, nikomo 2018-01-21T00:05:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Simon--, nikomo 2018-01-21T00:06:30 -!- scrotal_b [sid118777@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jbsamylokhgrghxh] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T00:13:12 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T00:14:16 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T00:17:36 < kikes> ffnx 2018-01-21T00:17:58 < kikes> fanx 2018-01-21T00:18:36 < tct> did you forget how to words? 2018-01-21T00:18:43 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T00:19:12 < Stffnx> kks? whats tha matter? 2018-01-21T00:21:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T00:21:21 < stvn> titters 2018-01-21T00:21:42 < kikes> bobo 2018-01-21T00:22:20 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-21T00:24:31 < tct> are you all retarded? 2018-01-21T00:24:37 < stvn> tec2 2018-01-21T00:26:00 < kikes> retard of the night title goes to 2018-01-21T00:26:50 < Stffnx> kikes. 2018-01-21T00:27:04 < kikes> thank you 2018-01-21T00:29:08 < stvn> welcome englishman 2018-01-21T00:43:16 < kikes> Laurence_b, 2018-01-21T00:43:35 < kikes> stop pumpin and tell me a little about your code 2018-01-21T00:44:29 < kikes> one man jet propulsion laboratory 2018-01-21T00:55:43 < kikes> did you broke baxter? he is so silent 2018-01-21T00:56:25 < kikes> or is the shitposting rules actually starting to take effect? 2018-01-21T00:57:19 < stvn> ssh 2018-01-21T00:59:27 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-21T01:12:17 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbOW2H9sBnk musics for the night 2018-01-21T01:12:24 < kikes> stvn, what is clock there? 2018-01-21T01:15:02 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@mirage335-base.soaringindustries.space] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T01:27:41 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-21T01:30:46 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T01:54:13 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2018-01-21T04:43:56 < jadew> The end of the fucking world 2018-01-21T04:44:34 < Getty> oh that one, yeah i started first episode, would continue to watch if i am REALLY REALLY bored 2018-01-21T04:50:03 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T05:35:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-21T05:38:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T05:58:20 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T06:12:27 < upgrdman> anyone know why polymorph / instamorph is so expensive? its like $1 per ounce. this stuff http://amzn.to/2DrJTI6 2018-01-21T06:12:46 < upgrdman> im checking ebay and even direct from china is ~same price 2018-01-21T06:26:42 < rajkosto> are the default "sandpaper" dremel cutting discs just as good for cutting pcb as the expensive speedclic 0.7mm thick metal ones 2018-01-21T06:27:15 < upgrdman> dunno, but i find tin snips to be better for cutting pcbs roughly to shape 2018-01-21T06:27:18 < rajkosto> i want a nice cut without the fiberglass tearing/getting leftover fibers 2018-01-21T06:27:37 < rajkosto> i cant snip, it would smush the layers together 2018-01-21T06:27:49 < rajkosto> i need to get a side-view of the layers with magnification 2018-01-21T06:27:55 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-21T06:29:09 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T06:33:03 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-21T06:33:44 < rajkosto> apparently, etching the edge is acceptable https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/182065/how-to-remove-copper-from-inner-planes-on-cut-pcb 2018-01-21T06:34:07 < rajkosto> i thought it wouldnt because etchant is conductive 2018-01-21T06:34:22 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T07:09:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-21T07:13:55 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-21T07:14:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-21T07:17:45 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-21T07:18:13 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T07:43:51 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T07:46:43 -!- XTL [xtl@217.30.184.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-21T07:47:15 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T07:47:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T07:50:34 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-21T07:50:34 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-21T07:51:26 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-21T07:52:22 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-21T08:06:24 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T08:14:55 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee47-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-21T08:21:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T08:25:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-21T08:46:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T08:50:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T08:55:39 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T08:58:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-21T09:08:30 < stvn> games games games 2018-01-21T09:16:45 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T09:50:55 < rajkosto> i cannot for the life figure out how to insert this flat cable 2018-01-21T09:51:04 < rajkosto> theres no clips but its not going in 2018-01-21T10:12:04 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxogfqapalpqnsxn] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T10:16:28 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-21T10:19:44 < rajkosto> nvm the gray part goes forward, not up 2018-01-21T10:30:24 < Stffnx> Do you watch The walking dead, jadew / Getty ? 2018-01-21T10:31:59 -!- Peter_M [~bgdwiepp@115-69-25-80-cpe.spintel.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2018-01-21T10:32:42 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T10:35:08 < stvn> stffn 2018-01-21T10:46:47 < jadew> Stffnx, not anymore 2018-01-21T10:46:57 < jadew> you guys said it's like twilight now 2018-01-21T10:47:15 < jadew> does anyone know of a good source of nice USB enclosures? 2018-01-21T10:47:45 < jadew> everything available from the online shops looks cheap 2018-01-21T11:00:30 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@115.69.25.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-21T11:49:35 < zyp> USB enclosure? 2018-01-21T11:51:59 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:4906:5115:9c09:33ad] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T11:53:19 < stvn> i want to see this so called, usb enclosure 2018-01-21T11:53:49 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T11:55:47 < invzim> my laptop encloses a lot of usb stuff 2018-01-21T11:56:33 < invzim> got the j-link clone in the mail this friday, going to give it a spin later 2018-01-21T11:58:01 < stvn> tell me if it melts 2018-01-21T12:11:09 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-21T12:25:08 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T12:28:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-51e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T12:29:24 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T12:32:15 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-21T12:41:59 < Stffnx> Ok, you saved your credibility there, jadew :) 2018-01-21T12:47:42 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T12:53:44 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T12:54:21 < stvn> kike bike 2018-01-21T13:07:23 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-21T13:18:29 < tct> crt 2018-01-21T13:18:45 < tct> why would you buy a j-link CLONE? 2018-01-21T13:19:20 < Stffnx> I already called the local authorities to tell them stvn escaped again. No worries. 2018-01-21T13:19:21 < tct> it's like going to a whorehouse and then choosing a transvestite 2018-01-21T13:19:40 < Stffnx> Escaped the mental institution* 2018-01-21T13:19:59 < tct> thanks Mr. Stffnx o/ 2018-01-21T13:20:05 < tct> we can always count on yuou :) 2018-01-21T13:20:17 < Stffnx> I know right 2018-01-21T13:20:50 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-21T13:22:20 < tct> how's being alive going? 2018-01-21T13:29:37 < Stffnx> idk 2018-01-21T13:32:35 < tct> but will it blend? 2018-01-21T13:51:02 < invzim> tct: because I'm a hobbyist and the real-deal costs a lot? 2018-01-21T13:53:36 < Stffnx> That's an argument some people cannot understand invzim :P 2018-01-21T13:54:22 < tct> invzim, okay, that makes sense 2018-01-21T13:54:44 < tct> have fun spending 50% of your hobby time on trying to figure out which crappy too is fucking it up this time :p 2018-01-21T13:59:49 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T14:00:08 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T14:00:16 < invzim> on a general note or do you have experience with jlink clones? 2018-01-21T14:00:29 < kikes> sure 2018-01-21T14:00:38 < tct> invzim, both 2018-01-21T14:00:52 < tct> invzim, but unfortunately your argument is very valid 2018-01-21T14:02:13 < invzim> I've been getting by with a 3usd stlinkv2 clone, so I'm sure it will be an upgrade :) 2018-01-21T14:02:32 < invzim> tried teh black-magic-probe thingie? 2018-01-21T14:03:53 < tct> oh boy :p 2018-01-21T14:03:55 < tct> yes 2018-01-21T14:04:17 < tct> I integrated a BMP into three prototype designs I made - I've not had any problems with it. 2018-01-21T14:08:45 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-21T14:09:42 < Cracki> so where is the BMP situated in terms of capabilities and price, what are the neighboring offers on the market? 2018-01-21T14:10:22 < kikes> no neighborings 2018-01-21T14:10:56 < Cracki> well whatever distance a proper jlink and a cloned jlink are 2018-01-21T14:11:20 < Cracki> anything to bitch about with a BMP, compared to other debuggers? 2018-01-21T14:11:29 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T14:11:35 < Cracki> or is that thing really a sweet spot? 2018-01-21T14:12:14 < kikes> Cracki, difference between openocd capacities and jlink original software capacities 2018-01-21T14:12:40 < kikes> I would like to have a probe that had swo and working uart 2018-01-21T14:13:04 < Cracki> yes, the tracing stuff, I'd really like to have that too 2018-01-21T14:13:07 < jpa-> i've had quite a bit of trouble flashing STM32F4 with BMP 2018-01-21T14:13:41 < jpa-> it goes 40kB/s with stlinkv2 + openocd, but only 20kB/s with BMP; and with BMP it only works reliably if i mass erase first 2018-01-21T14:14:13 < jpa-> i could probably debug and fix those bugs, but just a note that it isn't as "ready to use" as one would expect e.g. jlink to be 2018-01-21T14:14:28 < Stffnx> What f4? 2018-01-21T14:14:32 < Stffnx> never had issues with 407 2018-01-21T14:14:45 < jpa-> 407 and 427 2018-01-21T14:15:12 < jpa-> seems to have errors in single bytes past 512kB boundary if i don't mass erase first 2018-01-21T14:15:27 < jpa-> (if your firmware is less than 512kB you probably don't get those) 2018-01-21T14:16:50 < Stffnx> oh not sure i got to that 2018-01-21T14:17:02 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZO9_JBVP14 friend hacked nissan leaf motor controller protocol 2018-01-21T14:25:00 < tct> sauna friend? 2018-01-21T14:30:01 < kikes> no sauna 2018-01-21T14:32:52 < tct> no sauna? you're doing it wrong 2018-01-21T14:32:54 < tct> better help, jpa- 2018-01-21T14:33:43 < Cracki> just read that the BMP uses "bit-banged" SWO reception (uses a timer), and manchester coding only, so can't be too fast. 2018-01-21T14:34:40 < Cracki> that's slightly disappointing https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/wiki/Serial-Wire-Debug-TRACESWO-support 2018-01-21T14:34:53 < tct> feel free to contribute ;-) 2018-01-21T14:39:44 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T14:42:29 < kikes> Cracki, yes.. half-ass swo 2018-01-21T14:43:20 < kikes> you need something like pin on fpga or some dedicaded hardware 2018-01-21T14:43:42 < Cracki> aye 2018-01-21T14:43:53 < kikes> or some cortex chip runnin at 400mhz 2018-01-21T14:43:55 < Stffnx> the stlink does it too, and doesnt use dedicated hw. 2018-01-21T14:43:59 < Cracki> I've read about 100-800 Mbps speeds for some applications 2018-01-21T14:44:11 < Stffnx> so you dont "need" it :P 2018-01-21T14:44:28 < kikes> Stffnx, how slow does it do it? 2018-01-21T14:44:29 < PaulFertser> https://github.com/mubes/orbuculum cheap iCE40 board and you get parallel trace 2018-01-21T14:44:47 < PaulFertser> stlink uses uart mode only for swo, not even manchester. 2018-01-21T14:45:25 < kikes> PaulFertser, only if any of my chips had paraller trace 2018-01-21T14:46:01 < Cracki> eh, better spend money on whatever industry standard devices there are 2018-01-21T14:46:20 < PaulFertser> kikes: for swo you can go up to 12MHz with regular ftdi ft232h uart. 2018-01-21T14:46:36 < kikes> that is just enought 2018-01-21T14:48:21 < Cracki> but nice to know there's orbuculum 2018-01-21T14:49:37 < kikes> just what I have been looking for 2018-01-21T14:55:14 < kikes> salea clone + sigrok is not combination that just works 2018-01-21T14:55:27 < kikes> or actually the salea clone part of it 2018-01-21T14:56:25 < kikes> we did some canbus sniffing with it and it required basically disconnect from usb between every sample run 2018-01-21T14:58:59 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-21T15:00:54 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T15:01:21 < Cracki> sigrok have been messing with some internals lately 2018-01-21T15:01:33 < Cracki> but it tends to work for me[tm] 2018-01-21T15:04:05 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T15:05:10 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T15:19:14 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-21T15:21:52 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T15:50:12 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-21T16:09:59 -!- Stffnx is now known as Steffanx 2018-01-21T16:13:19 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-21T16:16:01 < tct> did anybody test the new truestudio pro thingy? 2018-01-21T16:16:13 < tct> "new" as in "now free for stm32 fanboyz" 2018-01-21T16:18:23 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T16:19:49 < Steffanx> i tried it a bit. It works. 2018-01-21T16:20:17 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-21T16:28:42 < Cracki> ah, ST acquired atollic https://atollic.com/truestudio/ 2018-01-21T16:29:21 < tct> welcome to the party, Cracki 2018-01-21T16:29:38 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ not following the IDE world too closely 2018-01-21T16:31:09 < Cracki> press release 12 dec 2017 2018-01-21T16:34:14 < Steffanx> they also released the free version Cracki. (just telling you maybe you didnt make it to that part yet ) 2018-01-21T16:34:20 < Steffanx> free pro version* 2018-01-21T16:34:25 < Cracki> oh! 2018-01-21T16:34:31 < Cracki> so it's a pro lite 2018-01-21T16:34:47 < Steffanx> Kinda. Pro stm32-only. 2018-01-21T16:35:26 < Cracki> not a problem :P 2018-01-21T16:35:58 < Steffanx> Real pros will use keil ofcourse. 2018-01-21T16:36:22 < Cracki> sarcasm or honest advice? 2018-01-21T16:36:37 < Steffanx> ##stm32 opinion. 2018-01-21T16:37:05 < Thorn> has it always been stm32 only or did ST restrict it to only stm32? 2018-01-21T16:37:18 < Steffanx> It wasnt stm32 only. 2018-01-21T16:37:21 < Steffanx> not sure if it's stm32 only now 2018-01-21T16:38:06 < Cracki> haha the dude on the left in the video is obviously german http://www.keil.com/ 2018-01-21T16:39:58 < Steffanx> His name is german, yes. 2018-01-21T16:40:21 < Steffanx> he does know how to hide zhe accent Cracki :P 2018-01-21T16:40:35 < Cracki> he's doing well, but he still sounds like one of us 2018-01-21T16:41:12 < Cracki> easy to detect if you pay attention to the a-sounds. germans map that to their ä, but the actual english sound is somewhere in the middle 2018-01-21T16:41:33 < Steffanx> Oh dutchies have issues with the a aswell 2018-01-21T16:42:12 < Thorn> not as bad as that TRXBench buy from youtube 2018-01-21T16:42:18 < Cracki> hmmm keil.... does look like it's usable and has good features 2018-01-21T16:42:35 < Steffanx> lolyou 2018-01-21T16:42:39 < Cracki> just schpiek deutsch 2018-01-21T16:43:09 < Thorn> *guy 2018-01-21T16:44:05 < Cracki> rtos thread debugging, heck I could really use that. stuck on an avr for now... 2018-01-21T16:44:39 < Steffanx> Who made you use it? 2018-01-21T16:45:42 < Cracki> the boss. he's been using avrs since forever and hasn't used arms yet. 2018-01-21T16:45:49 < Cracki> (me neither, not really) 2018-01-21T16:47:17 < Cracki> had to work with some kinetis stuff... that shop didn't give me proper debugging tools for that, they made me flash the elf over some usb mass storage shit 2018-01-21T16:47:54 < Cracki> played with some maple leaf thingy, not much though 2018-01-21T16:49:10 < Steffanx> heh, always nice when the boss forces you to use with what's he familiar with. 2018-01-21T16:50:31 < Cracki> I'd be fine with it if they knew the software side of it. the shop that made me work with the kinetis stuff, they were EE guys and really not much into software. 2018-01-21T16:50:49 < tct> Cracki, tell your boss he's an idiot and quit 2018-01-21T16:51:00 < Cracki> my current boss is EE-only too, but he has compassion for the software side. 2018-01-21T16:52:02 < Cracki> I'm not at that shop with the kinetis stuff anymore. they paid shit even after I said several times we'd need to talk. 2018-01-21T16:54:51 < Steffanx> what kind of "shop" is this?! 2018-01-21T16:55:02 < PaulFertser> Cracki: kinetis and usb mass storage shit sounds like "p&e micro debugger" and it can be reflashed to CMSIS-DAP firmware and then you can flash and debug properly with any reasonable software. And btw, OpenOCD supports rtos thread debugging too. 2018-01-21T16:55:30 < Cracki> p&e rings a bell, I think that was what I had to work with 2018-01-21T16:56:08 < Cracki> less interested in debugging, more interested in insight, tracing, recording, seeing what's going on 2018-01-21T16:56:32 < Cracki> singlestepping is fine, but comes after I know what's going on 2018-01-21T16:57:43 < tct> congratulations, you just described debugging. 2018-01-21T16:58:42 < Cracki> verrry little experience with openocd 2018-01-21T16:58:57 < Steffanx> mean tct is mean. 2018-01-21T16:59:07 < Steffanx> tct troll. 2018-01-21T17:00:29 < Cracki> I'd rather have that than the PC crowd 2018-01-21T17:01:29 < Cracki> btw, recording a 5000 ppr incremental encoder is mighty insightful for stepper motor + driver performance 2018-01-21T17:01:39 < Cracki> you get 100 edges per full step 2018-01-21T17:02:09 < Cracki> https://imgur.com/a/3kXA6 2018-01-21T17:08:30 < srk> Cracki: pretty cool, what driver is that? 2018-01-21T17:08:41 < Cracki> some drv8711 2018-01-21T17:09:05 < Cracki> I wanted pretty pictures, so we're not using 1/256 steps anywhere. they're too smooth :P 2018-01-21T17:09:14 < srk> :) 2018-01-21T17:09:18 < Cracki> I saw clear differences between 1/64 and 1/256 2018-01-21T17:09:53 < srk> btw regarding SWO, seems like you can run bmp on bluepill boards to have faster decoding, somewhere in the orbuculum readme iirc 2018-01-21T17:10:02 < Cracki> at 1/64, the encoder can resolve some minimal overshoot (you see the LSB wiggling a bit further than it should), at 1/256, it's silky smooth 2018-01-21T17:10:45 < srk> max I have is 1/128, m542 leadshine 2018-01-21T17:11:04 < Cracki> the device has a 45mm diameter roller on the stepper shaft. it's supposed to move at 300mm/s (12 ips). due to some firmware fuckery on my part, we're limited to 1/8 steps for now 2018-01-21T17:11:31 < srk> step rate too low? 2018-01-21T17:11:58 < Cracki> yes, because the avr can't count timer overflows on its own, and the ISRs are lower priority than other stuff (and not reorderable) 2018-01-21T17:12:10 < srk> ah, avr, aw :) 2018-01-21T17:12:16 < Cracki> so I'll have to revisit all atomic sections (interrupts cleared) and ISRs 2018-01-21T17:12:51 < Cracki> with an stm32 this would be a nonissue 2018-01-21T17:13:24 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-21T17:13:35 < srk> yeah, check stepperhub for example, can do like 400khz with ISR for counting steps on timer overflow 2018-01-21T17:14:35 < Cracki> avr... I'm working with sqrt tables (a bit more involved than just sqrt) and a bunch of other math for each step 2018-01-21T17:15:05 < Cracki> 400 khz wouldn't be a problem, but that avr has to do a lot of other stuff too :S 2018-01-21T17:15:39 < Cracki> the encoder input is on non-interrupt pins so I've got timer0 on 100 khz polling duty 2018-01-21T17:15:39 < srk> yeah, you can get rid of the most of the perfomance opts just by switching to something modern :D 2018-01-21T17:15:45 < Cracki> aye 2018-01-21T17:16:02 < srk> also timers can do quadrature decoding on stm32s ^^ 2018-01-21T17:16:15 < Cracki> I just hope boss doesn't listen to his colleagues and uses whatever they're stuck with, but does some damned research on the ee and firmware ecosystem side 2018-01-21T17:16:31 < Cracki> indeed they can. that'd be so much easier. 2018-01-21T17:18:07 < Cracki> I'd be ok with atmel SAM... or stm32 for general purpose... I know there are CMs with motor-applications specific peripherals 2018-01-21T17:18:26 < srk> depends on type of control you want to do 2018-01-21T17:18:54 < srk> if you have microstepping drivers it's quite easy but you can do field oriented control with steppers as well 2018-01-21T17:19:05 < Cracki> field oriented? 2018-01-21T17:19:18 < srk> https://discourse.odriverobotics.com/t/foc-driven-hybrid-stepper-motor/255 2018-01-21T17:19:21 < Cracki> boss might wanna go into bldc control... 2018-01-21T17:19:48 < Cracki> ah, closed loop stepping 2018-01-21T17:20:10 < Cracki> downside of steppers, you can't really sense torque 2018-01-21T17:20:23 < srk> I'm into bldc control for over a year now :D 2018-01-21T17:20:29 < srk> got tired of steppers 2018-01-21T17:20:35 < Cracki> the drv8711 we use has stall detection, but that only works above a certain speed 2018-01-21T17:21:33 < srk> some trinamic drivers can do that as well 2018-01-21T17:26:21 < sync> Cracki: you sure can, you just need to look at the current 2018-01-21T17:29:27 < sync> It is also not really stepping, it is just a two phase motor then 2018-01-21T17:30:01 < Cracki> I still don't understand how to feasibly measure angle or external torque on a stepper from just monitoring the windings. I understand that with BLDCs you monitor the third winding to know when to commutate 2018-01-21T17:31:49 < sync> Wat, no 2018-01-21T17:32:04 < sync> You have the encoder 2018-01-21T17:32:23 < sync> And do all commutating with that 2018-01-21T17:32:39 < Cracki> yes, I can use the encoder + target position of the stepper to measure torque 2018-01-21T17:32:59 < Cracki> are you talking about bldc or stepper? 2018-01-21T17:33:53 < sync> Both 2018-01-21T17:37:56 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T17:38:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T17:39:34 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T17:39:35 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T18:36:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-21T18:46:23 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-21T18:46:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T18:47:00 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T18:52:41 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T18:58:57 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-21T19:01:05 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T19:07:04 < rajkosto> what happens if you use 2 smd fuses in series :| 2018-01-21T19:08:37 < Thorn> British humour https://twitter.com/GreatestCapital/status/954429412509999105 2018-01-21T19:08:51 < rajkosto> do they both blow or just one 2018-01-21T19:08:57 < rajkosto> are they good for high current ? 2018-01-21T19:09:04 < rajkosto> (better than common 0ohm links) 2018-01-21T19:38:32 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T19:38:32 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T20:00:56 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T20:01:17 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T20:03:09 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:4906:5115:9c09:33ad] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-21T20:22:32 < jadew> rajkosto, it's possible they both blow, but I think only one of them will blow, the one with the highest resistance 2018-01-21T20:22:58 < jadew> but why would you use them like that? 2018-01-21T20:23:41 < rajkosto> because they seem to be able to handle higher currents with less resistance than 0ohm links 2018-01-21T20:24:00 < jadew> huh? 2018-01-21T20:24:17 < kaa> Laurence_b, you there 2018-01-21T20:24:26 < jadew> 0 Ohm means it can handle infinite current 2018-01-21T20:24:35 < rajkosto> you would think :P 2018-01-21T20:24:37 * karlp laughs 2018-01-21T20:24:37 < jadew> not in practice, but you get the point 2018-01-21T20:24:39 < kaa> it means superconductor? 2018-01-21T20:24:55 < jadew> a fuse has more than 0 Ohm resistance, so it can heat up and blow 2018-01-21T20:25:12 < zyp> anything physical has more than 0 ohm resistance 2018-01-21T20:25:30 < jadew> of course, my point is that a 0 Ohm thing should have less resistance than a fuse 2018-01-21T20:25:36 < jadew> so higher current capacity 2018-01-21T20:25:52 < zyp> assuming it can dissipate as much power as a fuse before it melts 2018-01-21T20:26:11 < jadew> well, if it has much lower resistance it doesn't have to dissipate as much power 2018-01-21T20:26:25 < jadew> because the voltage drop will be minimal 2018-01-21T20:26:55 < jadew> 0 ohm = infinite power handling 2018-01-21T20:27:07 < rajkosto> they arent infinite power handling 2018-01-21T20:27:08 < jadew> because there's 0 power dissipated 2018-01-21T20:27:11 < rajkosto> also i dont want infinite power handling 2018-01-21T20:27:19 < rajkosto> what was there originally were some "Surge protecting varistors" 2018-01-21T20:27:23 < jadew> rajkosto, I'm just making a point, based on math 2018-01-21T20:27:28 < rajkosto> they EXPLODED 2018-01-21T20:27:35 < rajkosto> and made a hole in the pcb 2018-01-21T20:27:44 < rajkosto> 0-ohm resistors just seem to desolder themselves and pop off 2018-01-21T20:27:46 < rajkosto> fuses burn 2018-01-21T20:27:48 < Steffanx> How 0 ohm are your 0ohm resistors rajkosto? 2018-01-21T20:28:07 < rajkosto> theyre aliexpress ones so 2018-01-21T20:28:10 < jadew> rajkosto, well, it seems like you need a fuse there, not a resistor 2018-01-21T20:28:10 < rajkosto> not very gud 2018-01-21T20:28:19 < Steffanx> Q: How 0 ohm are 1% resistors ? :D 2018-01-21T20:28:19 < rajkosto> jadew, ill use a fuse 2018-01-21T20:28:21 < jadew> if your 0 ohm resistor desolders itself, it means you have some short 2018-01-21T20:28:36 < rajkosto> but i need another link to complete the circuit 2018-01-21T20:28:40 < rajkosto> i can use a 0ohm or another fuse 2018-01-21T20:29:38 < jadew> is the high current scenario a fault or normal operation? 2018-01-21T20:29:44 < rajkosto> it was a fault 2018-01-21T20:29:52 < jadew> so you need a fuse 2018-01-21T20:30:14 < rajkosto> one of the dual-N-mosfets next to the varistors shorted one of the sides to gnd 2018-01-21T20:30:30 < rajkosto> id rather not things explode tho 2018-01-21T20:30:48 < jadew> well, something will fail eventually :) 2018-01-21T20:33:12 < karlp> just put some solder blob on it, 2018-01-21T20:33:15 < karlp> or a bit of wire. 2018-01-21T20:33:24 < karlp> you're just bodging this up for yourself 2018-01-21T20:33:29 < rajkosto> solder blob will melt, disconnect 2018-01-21T20:33:36 < rajkosto> and then fly off and short something else :P 2018-01-21T20:34:02 < jadew> then you should fix it first 2018-01-21T20:34:12 < rajkosto> i will replace the mosfet 2018-01-21T20:34:15 < rajkosto> just in case it happens again tho 2018-01-21T20:34:26 < jadew> sounds like a fire hazard 2018-01-21T20:34:51 < rajkosto> its a top end nvidia card, they usually are :P 2018-01-21T20:35:08 < jadew> ah 2018-01-21T20:35:15 < jadew> I don't have one of those, so I'm safe 2018-01-21T20:35:22 < jadew> my PC is not VR-ready 2018-01-21T20:38:38 < rajkosto> mine was 2018-01-21T20:38:40 < rajkosto> until POP 2018-01-21T20:43:04 < sync> why don't you replace the parts that failed with the same ones 2018-01-21T20:43:09 < sync> then it'll just work again 2018-01-21T21:11:15 < kaa> what the hell.. 2018-01-21T21:11:24 < kaa> mcuxpresso had uninstalled itself 2018-01-21T21:11:27 < kaa> by itself 2018-01-21T21:12:08 < Steffanx> impossible 2018-01-21T21:12:13 < kaa> I updated my nxp account to my work information and installed mcuxpresso to works machine 2018-01-21T21:12:13 < Steffanx> you were drunk last night 2018-01-21T21:12:36 < kaa> should there be some sort of mechanism that allows only one copy per user 2018-01-21T21:12:55 < kaa> there is no way I have uninstalled it because I uninstall nothing 2018-01-21T21:13:14 < kaa> if something is to be uninstalled I don't install it in the first place 2018-01-21T21:14:08 < kaa> nah 2018-01-21T21:14:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T21:14:15 < kaa> it has changed somehow 2018-01-21T21:14:23 < kaa> shortcuts not worki 2018-01-21T21:19:59 -!- kaa [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T21:20:06 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T21:37:29 < ReadErr> Fox0x01> RT @aloria: Girl, are you a git branch? Cause I wanna fuck with your head and then blame you when I can't commit 2018-01-21T21:38:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-21T21:39:53 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 2018-01-21T21:41:25 < aandrew> heh https://eeconcierge.com/pricing/ 2018-01-21T21:41:52 < aandrew> they want $20 to do a SOT23 2018-01-21T21:42:25 < aandrew> they're out of their fucking minds 2018-01-21T21:43:08 < zyp> wat 2018-01-21T21:43:25 < Steffanx> hah 2018-01-21T21:43:49 < Steffanx> At least the 3d model is free aandrew 2018-01-21T21:44:06 < karlp> gotta cover the fixed costs of just doing an order, 2018-01-21T21:44:21 < aandrew> yep. 2018-01-21T21:44:39 < aandrew> my typical part creation process these days is largely spent finding the correct step file 2018-01-21T21:44:43 < aandrew> after that doing the footprint is easy 2018-01-21T21:44:45 * karlp shrugs 2018-01-21T21:44:55 < karlp> isn't altium meant to be so fucking pro you don't need this sort of service? 2018-01-21T21:45:12 < aandrew> altium's generator is terrible 2018-01-21T21:45:29 < ReadErr> wat no its not 2018-01-21T21:45:46 < ReadErr> its p solid if you put the right params in 2018-01-21T21:46:05 < aandrew> dude I don't need help generating your typical LCC and BGAs 2018-01-21T21:46:31 < aandrew> it's for the goofy shit that I need footprints (TI regulators are a prime example) and the footprint gen can't even begin to do them right 2018-01-21T21:46:36 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T21:46:56 < aandrew> altium's like aayy lemme help u make a TH resistor honest I'm real good 2018-01-21T21:47:24 < ReadErr> footprints can be ganked pretty easy from gerbers tho too 2018-01-21T21:50:11 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T21:50:44 < stvn> stffn 2018-01-21T21:50:57 < aandrew> ReadErr: yes-ish. 2018-01-21T21:51:25 < Steffanx> stvn 2018-01-21T21:51:41 < stvn> hello welcome 2018-01-21T21:51:47 < Steffanx> Thank you welcome. 2018-01-21T21:51:51 < ReadErr> aandrew outsource it 2018-01-21T21:52:41 < stvn> the dirty 2018-01-21T21:53:02 < aandrew> ReadErr: generally I don't have to 2018-01-21T21:53:13 < aandrew> I can create a reasonable footprint fast enough 2018-01-21T21:53:24 < ReadErr> send TI a bunch of emails and tell them to quit using dumb footprints 2018-01-21T21:53:25 < aandrew> but I just saw an ad for this concierge service and it's stupid expensive 2018-01-21T21:54:47 < tct> https://eeconcierge.com/ 2018-01-21T21:55:41 < Steffanx> He just linked that. 2018-01-21T21:55:49 < Steffanx> $20 for a sot23 mr tct 2018-01-21T21:56:06 < Steffanx> i quote "they're out of their fucking minds" 2018-01-21T21:56:13 < tct> ah, didn't see the link. I thought he was searching for it, sorry 2018-01-21T21:56:40 < Steffanx> What brings you here so early mr stvn? 2018-01-21T21:56:56 < stvn> i have to work today 2018-01-21T21:57:17 < Steffanx> irc while brushing your teeth is always nice uh? 2018-01-21T21:57:47 < stvn> of course 2018-01-21T21:57:58 < ReadErr> what time is it 2018-01-21T21:58:03 < Steffanx> 7.00 2018-01-21T21:58:04 < stvn> 0658 2018-01-21T21:58:19 < stvn> i better get to pumping 2018-01-21T21:58:22 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-21T21:59:52 < ReadErr> great youtube 2018-01-21T22:03:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-21T22:03:02 < tct> pumpin' all day, pumpin' every day 2018-01-21T22:05:54 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-21T22:06:11 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T22:07:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-21T22:13:13 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T22:16:22 < englishman> lol aandrew 2018-01-21T22:16:50 < englishman> but why would you spend more than 5 seconds looking for a 3d model 2018-01-21T22:17:09 -!- R0b0t1 [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-21T22:17:15 < englishman> also fuck the generator 2018-01-21T22:17:20 < englishman> paste array is the tool of pros 2018-01-21T22:17:45 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-21T22:18:09 < upgrdman> im calling a function a lot. it takes 9 floats. if i add two more arguments, references to two objects, it takes almost 2x as long to run these function calls. all im doing is refactoring from global objects, to passing them in as arguments. is this because the objects have to be passed on the stack instead of in registers? 2018-01-21T22:18:40 < aandrew> englishman: again for goofy footprints not stocks hit 2018-01-21T22:18:56 < englishman> yeah but altidumb makes those easy anyway 2018-01-21T22:18:59 < englishman> good morning crt 2018-01-21T22:19:29 < Steffanx> upgrdman parameters tend to be put on a stack, yes. 2018-01-21T22:19:46 < englishman> so eeconcierge is connecting makers with pakis to assist in footprint creation? 2018-01-21T22:19:49 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ya but iirc sometimes param be can passed by leaving them in registers 2018-01-21T22:19:50 < zyp> upgrdman, could be, if the function is small then call overhead would make up a large amount of time consumed 2018-01-21T22:19:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T22:19:57 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-21T22:20:07 -!- R0b0t1 [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T22:20:19 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T22:20:45 < englishman> buy now and get the schematic symbol FREE 2018-01-21T22:21:05 < Steffanx> in this C or java upgrdman? 2018-01-21T22:21:25 < upgrdman> java but its the same in c (well cpp, since objects) iirc 2018-01-21T22:22:12 < Steffanx> i would never make a funciton that accepts 9 floats anyway. :P 2018-01-21T22:22:26 < Steffanx> Would rather pass it as an array/list of objects in that case. 2018-01-21T22:22:31 < englishman> thats only 3 axes 2018-01-21T22:22:49 < upgrdman> ya its 3 vertices :) 2018-01-21T22:22:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-21T22:22:54 < Steffanx> Or more structured when it's what englishman said. 2018-01-21T22:23:13 < upgrdman> i guess i could turn them into arrays but it seemed easier to just pass them as-is 2018-01-21T22:24:27 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T22:25:33 < Steffanx> When it's 3 vertices you have no fancy Vertex object? I thought Java was all about objects and nothing but objcts :P 2018-01-21T22:25:33 < englishman> they are coordinates? 2018-01-21T22:25:40 < englishman> yes ^ 2018-01-21T22:25:56 < englishman> isnt this the poiint of OO brogramming 2018-01-21T22:26:28 < Steffanx> Never wrote a single line of java, so i might be wrong ;) 2018-01-21T22:27:13 < upgrdman> well ya i could make objects, but why add the overhead 2018-01-21T22:27:21 < upgrdman> objects aren't free ya know 2018-01-21T22:27:56 < PaulFertser> But another function parameter which is a reference to object (not copy) should be ~free, so it's strange what you describe. 2018-01-21T22:28:40 < BrainDamage> are you sure it's an actual reference 2018-01-21T22:28:41 < upgrdman> ok, time to try reorganizing it into one big array, and just passing in the array + offset index 2018-01-21T22:29:06 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, yes, in java theyre all references, not copies, unless you explicitly make a new object 2018-01-21T22:37:46 < kikes> what is the cheapest 1ch opamp? 2018-01-21T22:37:52 < kikes> generic shitte 2018-01-21T22:38:14 < kikes> some LM321.. but I think it was expensives compared to some other 2018-01-21T22:39:19 < kikes> crt, it says fool proof in data sheet 2018-01-21T22:39:21 < kikes> it's for me 2018-01-21T22:39:55 < Steffanx> then they havent met me yet. 2018-01-21T22:40:06 < Steffanx> or crt 2018-01-21T22:40:44 < tct> I am crt 2018-01-21T22:40:52 < PaulFertser> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41693637/whats-the-calling-convention-for-the-java-code-in-linux-platform 2018-01-21T22:42:22 < PaulFertser> So it looks like the references which are "integer arguments" should get passed via registers. 2018-01-21T22:43:11 < kikes> crt, dip package - no 2018-01-21T22:43:45 < kikes> only THT parts will be connectors 2018-01-21T22:44:45 < kikes> no 2018-01-21T22:44:59 < kikes> this is commercial design 2018-01-21T22:45:58 < kikes> some poor chinese has to bend those by hand besides I don't want to have opamp bigger than high amperage high side switches I have 2018-01-21T22:46:16 < kikes> actually I need 3 channel 2018-01-21T22:46:30 < kikes> lm32x it is then 2018-01-21T22:46:55 < kikes> is it lm32x then? 2018-01-21T22:47:05 < kikes> yes 2018-01-21T22:47:10 < kikes> and most probably will 2018-01-21T22:47:31 < kikes> when it's to factory it comes out with chips sligtly different 2018-01-21T22:51:33 < kikes> reads some sensor and then switches on few high side switches 2018-01-21T22:51:41 < kikes> based on sensor data 2018-01-21T22:53:38 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-21T22:54:12 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T23:01:39 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-21T23:02:06 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T23:04:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-21T23:04:19 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-21T23:08:38 < upgrdman> lolwut. one of my neighbors went out to walk her dog, but shes too fat and lazy, so instead of walking she just mulls around out front for a few minutes while her dog shits/pisses. 2018-01-21T23:08:38 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-21T23:09:11 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T23:09:23 < branjb> i see an old lady here let her german shephard pull her around in a wheelchair 2018-01-21T23:09:31 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-21T23:09:43 < upgrdman> "mush!" 2018-01-21T23:10:02 < upgrdman> like an Alaskan Husky 2018-01-21T23:10:10 -!- kikes [~Janne@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-21T23:11:16 < Steffanx> both excellent examples of yankeeness? 2018-01-21T23:12:45 < branjb> yeah you could be like a good european and just pay your dog walking tax and do it the old fashion way 2018-01-21T23:13:04 < upgrdman> Steffanx, yes 2018-01-21T23:15:12 < Steffanx> nah, we're slowly getting getting a bit more "yankee" as welll in europe. 2018-01-21T23:16:06 < branjb> do you have walmarts with wall-e carts for fat people? 2018-01-21T23:16:14 < Steffanx> lol no, not yet. 2018-01-21T23:16:22 < Steffanx> But i think we're getting fatter 2018-01-21T23:23:55 < englishman> :incredibly_fat_american: 2018-01-21T23:24:06 < englishman> hmm doesn't work yet, maybe Unicode 7 2018-01-21T23:51:31 -!- kikes [~Janne@87-92-115-80.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-21T23:51:51 < kikes> sorry about pinging - train ircin 2018-01-21T23:55:28 < Steffanx> I forgive you 2018-01-21T23:55:52 < kikes> *timouttn 2018-01-21T23:55:59 < BrainDamage> get a bouncer 2018-01-21T23:57:23 < kikes> I have raspi3 on the floor acting as wireless bridge 2018-01-21T23:57:33 < BrainDamage> slap znc on it 2018-01-21T23:57:46 < kikes> I have 0 means to connect to it because it's with public ip like my machine is too 2018-01-21T23:57:53 < kikes> I don't have ethernet ports 2018-01-21T23:58:08 < BrainDamage> that sentence made 0 sense 2018-01-21T23:58:09 < kikes> actually now I have sd micro adapter 2018-01-21T23:58:33 < kikes> BrainDamage, I have nothing to connect to it so I can not access the system 2018-01-21T23:58:52 < kikes> but I brought microsd adapter this time 2018-01-21T23:58:56 < BrainDamage> didn't you say it's a wireless bridge 2018-01-21T23:59:01 < kikes> yes 2018-01-21T23:59:05 < BrainDamage> that means it's connected to something 2018-01-21T23:59:37 < kikes> ethernet goes to switch or router in basement of this building 2018-01-21T23:59:42 < kikes> wlan is connected to my laptop --- Day changed Mon Jan 22 2018 2018-01-22T00:02:00 < kikes> so both my laptop and raspi has public ip 2018-01-22T00:02:13 < kikes> how do I connect to raspi with ssh? 2018-01-22T00:02:52 < kikes> scan the whole operator ip space for open ports and filter all the raspis and then run systematic ping to all of them? 2018-01-22T00:03:10 < BrainDamage> just use a dynamic dns 2018-01-22T00:03:23 < kikes> no shit 2018-01-22T00:03:47 < BrainDamage> there's plenty of free dns you can register 2018-01-22T00:03:58 < kikes> I had noip2 2018-01-22T00:04:11 < BrainDamage> so what's the problem 2018-01-22T00:04:23 < BrainDamage> just update the dns from the pi 2018-01-22T00:04:26 < kikes> there was issues getting it running with it's startup script and now as I moved raspi went of 2018-01-22T00:04:27 < BrainDamage> then ssh to that 2018-01-22T00:04:31 < kikes> off 2018-01-22T00:04:41 < kikes> that is the issue 2018-01-22T00:04:53 < kikes> can I use some route or similar tool? 2018-01-22T00:05:00 < kikes> to find the ip 2018-01-22T00:05:47 < BrainDamage> no, you'll always need a 3rd party service 2018-01-22T00:06:24 < BrainDamage> curl ipconfig.co 2018-01-22T00:06:40 < BrainDamage> sorry, ifconfig.co 2018-01-22T00:07:06 < kikes> ? 2018-01-22T00:07:37 < kikes> if you want me to run that on my windows laptop? 2018-01-22T00:07:42 < BrainDamage> from the pi 2018-01-22T00:09:02 < kikes> what should I do there? 2018-01-22T00:09:54 < kikes> I rather just fix noip2 start script 2018-01-22T00:12:19 < englishman> many domain name registrars offer dynamic DNS services 2018-01-22T00:12:20 < kikes> one thing I could do is to take raspi to works and connect it to my workstation if raspi has default address in case no dhcp is available 2018-01-22T00:12:48 < kikes> or connect it to hdmi monitor 2018-01-22T00:12:50 < kikes> ! 2018-01-22T00:13:41 < kikes> one thing I could do it to pull ethernet plug and boot it without connection 2018-01-22T00:14:13 < kikes> but it doesn't have dhcp.. 2018-01-22T00:22:15 < Rickta59> take a usb dongle and plug it into the pi and login 2018-01-22T00:23:26 < Rickta59> or an arp scan to find its ip 2018-01-22T00:25:50 < kikes> what usb dongle? 2018-01-22T00:26:24 < kikes> hack the chipset via usb? 2018-01-22T00:26:47 < kikes> use 0 day exploit to autorun code on usb storage 2018-01-22T00:27:00 < Rickta59> hack? you just login via serial usb instead of ssh 2018-01-22T00:27:18 < Rickta59> usb serial dongle like ftdi etc 2018-01-22T00:27:27 < kikes> I left mine home 2018-01-22T00:27:32 < Rickta59> nucleo board? 2018-01-22T00:27:36 < kikes> hey 2018-01-22T00:27:41 < Rickta59> any board with serial on it 2018-01-22T00:27:43 < kikes> I have olimexino stm32 2018-01-22T00:27:51 < Rickta59> does it expose the usb serial? 2018-01-22T00:27:53 < kikes> in my laptop bag 2018-01-22T00:28:14 < kikes> there is physical uart on the raspi 2018-01-22T00:28:25 < kikes> isn't it the primary uart? 2018-01-22T00:28:35 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxogfqapalpqnsxn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-22T00:28:54 < kikes> then just set in boot options to boot in uart terminal? 2018-01-22T00:29:07 < Rickta59> i don't know i thought that was the default .. might not be 2018-01-22T00:29:07 < kikes> tell me how to do that arp table thing? 2018-01-22T00:29:13 < kikes> I assume not 2018-01-22T00:29:18 < Rickta59> google arp scan how to find raspberry pi 2018-01-22T00:29:58 < kikes> nie 2018-01-22T00:30:00 < kikes> nice 2018-01-22T00:30:10 < kikes> raspberry has some prefix in it's mac 2018-01-22T00:30:39 < srk> nmap -p 22 10.0.0.* 2018-01-22T00:30:42 < Rickta59> i just look on my routers admin page 2018-01-22T00:30:51 < srk> provided ssh is running 2018-01-22T00:32:39 < Rickta59> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/uart.md .. to turn on the uart .. just add it to config.txt 2018-01-22T00:33:49 < kikes> Rickta59, my raspi is my router 2018-01-22T00:35:00 < kikes> okay only thing in arp table is probs subnet router because of it's ip number is .1 2018-01-22T00:35:05 < kikes> last number 2018-01-22T00:35:28 < kikes> if subnet router is a thing 2018-01-22T00:35:50 < kikes> anyways nothing looking like raspi in arp -a 2018-01-22T00:36:02 < kikes> only if I had taken that rs232 adapter 2018-01-22T00:36:03 < kikes> .. 2018-01-22T00:36:15 < kikes> *usb - uart 2018-01-22T00:36:27 < kikes> when I was about to be late from train 2018-01-22T00:36:38 < kikes> got all my work related stuff collected thought 2018-01-22T00:37:10 < kikes> also I have jlink but thing with that is that uart implementation is broken 2018-01-22T00:39:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-51e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T00:44:38 < kikes> better order some usb-uarts to work 2018-01-22T00:44:49 < kikes> maybe 2018-01-22T00:45:00 < kikes> or visit home to my lab 2018-01-22T00:45:05 < kikes> at weekend 2018-01-22T00:52:18 < kikes> I could fire up some ready-to-go code in olimexino stm32 f103 2018-01-22T00:52:35 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-22T00:54:12 < srk> I've also had a bunch of scripts like 'set_pw_to_a' and 'set_network' that would "fix" stuff on rpi's filesystem with sd card plugged into pc 2018-01-22T01:01:16 < kikes> can you make scripts in raspi and launch them with boot config? 2018-01-22T01:02:07 < sync> kikes: there is an opensores fpga firmware for the saleae clone 2018-01-22T01:02:11 < sync> that one works properly 2018-01-22T01:02:43 < kikes> fpga firmware for saoeae coo9ne 2018-01-22T01:03:07 < kikes> saleae clone? 2018-01-22T01:03:16 < kikes> what do you mean? 2018-01-22T01:05:43 < kikes> saleae is not fpga but 8052 2018-01-22T01:06:08 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-22T01:06:08 < kikes> do you mean some fpga platform emulates being saleae clone? 2018-01-22T01:11:23 < kikes> we tried opensores firmwares to it and it lost some channels and actually worked exactly as bad 2018-01-22T01:11:37 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T01:11:56 < kikes> probs has unsuitable eeprom chip to it 2018-01-22T01:13:03 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-22T01:13:42 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-22T01:17:08 < srk> kikes: sure, just make a .service file with type=oneshot 2018-01-22T01:17:35 < kikes> this service file thing in confusing me 2018-01-22T01:17:46 < kikes> is it something new? 2018-01-22T01:18:05 < srk> yes, systemd handles these instead of old sysV init scripts 2018-01-22T01:19:05 < kikes> it's the reason I didn't get my noip running 2018-01-22T01:19:15 < srk> you just need to create a file in /etc/systemd/system/ and call systemctl daemon-reload so daemon picks it up, then you can start it with systemclt start 2018-01-22T01:19:36 < kikes> is init.d even used anymore? 2018-01-22T01:19:42 < srk> for some systemd is the root of all evil 2018-01-22T01:20:00 < srk> depends, there are wrappers for that 2018-01-22T01:20:19 < srk> suckish raspbian calls many sysV scripts by default (most of them just slow down boot) 2018-01-22T01:20:59 < srk> use systemctl status / systemctl -a to list services on running sys 2018-01-22T01:21:59 < kikes> so I added typical init.d script it said no noip2.service 2018-01-22T01:22:11 < kikes> added .service file from some random internets post 2018-01-22T01:22:27 < kikes> no complains but didn't load noip2 at startup 2018-01-22T01:22:49 < srk> systemctl status noip2.service 2018-01-22T01:22:52 < srk> or check journalctl 2018-01-22T01:23:17 < kikes> okay 2018-01-22T01:23:25 < srk> you don't need init.d scripts anymore, any script will do if you pint ExecStart to it 2018-01-22T01:23:30 < srk> *point 2018-01-22T01:23:39 < kikes> as soon as I get serial terminal 2018-01-22T01:23:48 < kikes> i'll ask you again 2018-01-22T01:23:54 < srk> yeah :) 2018-01-22T01:23:54 < kikes> if I need 2018-01-22T01:25:24 < BrainDamage> make a pastebin with the service file's content 2018-01-22T01:25:51 < BrainDamage> write this in your shell 2018-01-22T01:26:04 < BrainDamage> ptp() {curl -F "c=@${1:--}" https://ptpb.pw/} 2018-01-22T01:26:27 < BrainDamage> then cat /path/to/service/file | ptp 2018-01-22T01:27:14 < kikes> what happens then 2018-01-22T01:27:26 < BrainDamage> it uploads the file and gives you back an url 2018-01-22T01:27:41 < kikes> intereting 2018-01-22T01:28:00 < BrainDamage> it's really handy 2018-01-22T01:28:44 < BrainDamage> since you're there 2018-01-22T01:29:11 < BrainDamage> try 2018-01-22T01:29:12 < kikes> what is ptp 2018-01-22T01:29:15 < BrainDamage> curl parrot.live 2018-01-22T01:29:54 < kikes> I understand nothing 2018-01-22T01:30:05 < BrainDamage> (00:26:04) BrainDamage: ptp() {curl -F "c=@${1:--}" https://ptpb.pw/} 2018-01-22T01:30:05 < BrainDamage> (00:26:27) BrainDamage: then cat /path/to/service/file | ptp 2018-01-22T01:30:07 < BrainDamage> just this 2018-01-22T01:30:09 < BrainDamage> ignore the rest 2018-01-22T01:30:27 < BrainDamage> the first creates the command, the second line uses it 2018-01-22T01:31:10 < kikes> it pastebins what? 2018-01-22T01:31:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T01:31:44 < kikes> what do you use this for? 2018-01-22T01:31:57 < BrainDamage> BrainDamage: make a pastebin with the service file's content 2018-01-22T01:32:16 < BrainDamage> after you write the fucking service file 2018-01-22T01:32:34 < kikes> why should i do that? 2018-01-22T01:32:50 < BrainDamage> because you seem incapable to make it work 2018-01-22T01:33:11 < kikes> sure thing 2018-01-22T01:33:42 < kikes> but why should I make it hard way when I have serial terminal I can just copypaste? 2018-01-22T01:33:56 < kikes> into pastebin 2018-01-22T01:34:04 < kikes> and it's not going to happen now 2018-01-22T01:34:43 < kikes> what type of interface does ptpb.pw for such pastes? 2018-01-22T01:34:47 < kikes> *have 2018-01-22T01:35:26 < BrainDamage> just open https://ptpb.pw/ and it'll say 2018-01-22T01:35:36 < BrainDamage> there's also https://ptpb.pw/f 2018-01-22T01:36:37 < kikes> sweet 2018-01-22T01:36:53 < kikes> what is this service anyway 2018-01-22T01:37:06 < kikes> anyone can just dump shit for their hosting 2018-01-22T01:37:12 < kikes> and any shit 2018-01-22T01:37:43 < kikes> and very handy for shady purposes too 2018-01-22T01:40:02 < BrainDamage> that's not new for any paste service 2018-01-22T01:40:33 < kikes> how big files are possible to paste? 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2018-01-22T07:09:06 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ 2018-01-22T07:09:18 < englishman> http://www.st.com/en/development-tools/stsw-link004.html 2018-01-22T07:09:52 < garylabronz> cool thanks, i'll get it running 2018-01-22T07:10:08 < englishman> if the chip is protected L1 you'll have to remove that protection (erasing chip) before flashing but it looks like you already know that 2018-01-22T07:12:09 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-22T07:13:19 < garylabronz> yeah says to do that the readme for the project im trying to flash. i am guessing that is why i get a unknown memery region, but im also nto sure what im doing ha 2018-01-22T07:14:08 < englishman> yeah, doesnt look like very helpful feedback from openocd, 0x08000000 is certainly a valid memory region 2018-01-22T07:17:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T07:18:08 < garylabronz> windows... can't even use it yet.. still updating..... 2018-01-22T07:19:23 -!- ohsix [~ohsix@72.35.129.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T07:22:39 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T07:30:20 < garylabronz> ok cool, the st-link utility => "can not read memory! disable read out protection and retry." 2018-01-22T07:30:38 < garylabronz> so i guess i'll try and understand how to disable the read out protection 2018-01-22T07:32:18 < englishman> yeah that should be a good lesson in option byte programming 2018-01-22T07:38:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-22T07:41:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T07:42:34 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T07:46:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-22T07:46:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-22T07:47:07 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T07:48:09 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T07:50:35 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-22T07:50:35 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-22T07:51:19 < garylabronz> it seems I have flashed the board! 2018-01-22T07:51:34 < garylabronz> now to fiddle with the uart and see if this badboy works 2018-01-22T07:51:54 < garylabronz> st-link utility and option byte did the trick 2018-01-22T07:53:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-22T07:53:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T07:58:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-22T08:13:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T08:14:47 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2018-01-22T10:58:08 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-22T10:59:08 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T11:29:53 < kikes> not good compared to proper reflow station 2018-01-22T11:29:56 < kikes> not good at all 2018-01-22T11:30:51 < kikes> we have proper station at works and it's whole different thing 2018-01-22T11:31:22 < kikes> things solder on and off in few seconds 2018-01-22T11:33:02 < kikes> I need inexpensive / good value esd shelf and trays and boxes 2018-01-22T11:33:11 < kikes> anyone know a place? 2018-01-22T11:33:59 < kikes> from funland esd shelf with those small pull boxes is like 10x the price of non-esd 2018-01-22T11:40:32 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T11:40:40 < stvn> levido 2018-01-22T11:50:16 < jadew> kikes, get the non esd type 2018-01-22T11:50:32 < jadew> are planning to rub against it much? 2018-01-22T11:50:57 < stvn> i'll fucken rub one out 2018-01-22T11:51:18 < kikes> okay 2018-01-22T11:55:01 < jadew> *are you 2018-01-22T11:55:16 < jadew> I don't think ESD is as much of a problem as it's made to seem 2018-01-22T11:55:41 < jadew> and definitely not when it comes to storage 2018-01-22T12:06:52 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzcdcmudzwefxmub] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-22T12:14:36 < invzim> rajkosto: if you have the $$$, I'm super happy with my metcal 2018-01-22T12:15:00 < invzim> Thermaltronics is ex-metcal people and it's supposed to be the same for less 2018-01-22T12:15:44 < invzim> had the cheapo chinesium all-in-one station before, and it's night and day 2018-01-22T12:15:48 < invzim> still use it for hot air tho 2018-01-22T12:17:35 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-22T12:19:24 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T12:20:39 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Excess Flood] 2018-01-22T12:20:54 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T12:24:35 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-22T12:30:26 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-22T12:33:23 < stvn> Steffanx, where did you go 2018-01-22T12:34:35 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T12:41:40 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-22T12:42:29 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T12:47:20 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T12:47:38 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T12:58:21 < stvn> the decker 2018-01-22T12:59:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-22T13:10:53 < Steffanx> Where did you go? 2018-01-22T13:11:45 < tct> no 2018-01-22T13:12:42 < stvn> yes 2018-01-22T13:12:49 < stvn> i went to the job 2018-01-22T13:13:23 < Steffanx> Me too 2018-01-22T13:13:24 < stvn> the professional pumper 2018-01-22T13:13:29 < Steffanx> You werent there 2018-01-22T13:13:54 < tct> is stvn an assassin? 2018-01-22T13:14:35 < Steffanx> Pumper. 2018-01-22T13:14:38 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T13:14:43 < stvn> lel 2018-01-22T13:15:06 < tct> same thing 2018-01-22T13:15:55 < stvn> do you have a free operating system 2018-01-22T13:17:40 < tct> yes 2018-01-22T13:17:45 < tct> also templeos.org 2018-01-22T13:19:14 < stvn> cool 2018-01-22T13:23:13 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T13:29:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-22T13:35:20 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T13:48:59 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-22T13:56:04 < ReadErr> terry is on the run 2018-01-22T13:57:38 < tct> tell me more 2018-01-22T13:58:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-22T13:58:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T14:01:58 < ReadErr> he missed court 2018-01-22T14:02:12 < ReadErr> nobody has heard from him fro a month 2018-01-22T14:02:17 < ReadErr> duno where he is 2018-01-22T14:02:24 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T14:07:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-22T14:18:11 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T14:24:35 -!- tct [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-22T14:28:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T14:37:08 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T14:39:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T14:42:44 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljyodrtdhtfzwayj] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T14:45:21 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-22T14:47:54 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T15:02:26 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T15:09:55 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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For some reason when I disable and enable, I get slow reads 2018-01-22T17:21:53 < qyx> how can you get slow reads on an uart 2018-01-22T17:22:25 < qyx> slow like baudrate setting is slower, you are missing some bytes or what 2018-01-22T17:22:55 < jadew> the time constant changes 2018-01-22T17:23:51 < qyx> but that will result in no reads at all 2018-01-22T17:24:03 < jsoft> qyx, as in the RNE get's stuck high when it should not be 2018-01-22T17:24:35 < jsoft> Actually I should rephrase, I don't successfully read, but the data is there 2018-01-22T17:24:42 < jsoft> as in it's being sent from the device 2018-01-22T17:24:53 < qyx> some framing errors detected maybe? 2018-01-22T17:24:55 < jadew> qyx, the reads would be there and at the same speed from the point of view of the board, but from the outside, it would be slower 2018-01-22T17:25:07 < jsoft> qyx, hmm possibly 2018-01-22T17:25:12 < jadew> /troll 2018-01-22T17:25:46 < qyx> acually your nicks are trollful 2018-01-22T17:25:56 < qyx> because same length and both j**** 2018-01-22T17:26:33 < jadew> at least they don't have more letters in common 2018-01-22T17:28:28 < BrainDamage> he's actually jaden, as in jaden smith 2018-01-22T17:29:01 < jadew> hah, jades would be even more confusing, cuz it could have the same meaning 2018-01-22T17:29:16 < jadew> my nickname is from a movie 2018-01-22T17:29:18 < BrainDamage> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/649/079/bb7.jpg 2018-01-22T17:29:38 < BrainDamage> https://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/276/files/2014/07/01-Nq6ZMQq.jpg 2018-01-22T17:31:01 < jadew> is he a troll? 2018-01-22T17:32:22 < BrainDamage> impossible to distinguish a troll from an idiot, so why asking 2018-01-22T17:32:34 < jadew> lol 2018-01-22T17:33:56 * jsoft scratches head 2018-01-22T17:34:12 < jsoft> Im clearing all possible flags I can find that indicate errors 2018-01-22T17:34:16 < jsoft> Still no worky :| 2018-01-22T17:40:40 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Amun_Ra, jonsowman, mwfc 2018-01-22T17:41:03 -!- jonsowman [sid155658@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgakifmyjzqkvypj] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T17:42:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Amun_Ra 2018-01-22T17:46:03 -!- garylabronz [~jdwyer@2604:2000:12c1:c858::f68] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2018-01-22T17:46:47 < jsoft> I can leave alternate functions set to whatever right, and they should stay there, and the GPIO function would then depend on the MODER ? 2018-01-22T17:49:40 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-22T18:01:33 < jsoft> Man what a bastard. 2018-01-22T18:02:58 < jsoft> Got no idea what's going on here. 2018-01-22T18:07:11 < tpw_rules> does ST ever release errata for their reference manuals 2018-01-22T18:20:47 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-22T18:22:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T18:24:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T18:25:07 < aandrew> I don't think I've seen it 2018-01-22T18:34:03 < karlp> how would that be different from the normal errata? 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2018-01-22T20:05:30 < jadew> they're fucking worse than the distorted text ones 2018-01-22T20:05:51 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-22T20:06:31 < jadew> the noise in the background is shit that sounds the same as the digits 2018-01-22T20:06:54 < jadew> and I got it wrong 2018-01-22T20:08:30 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T20:11:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T20:41:23 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T20:44:47 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-22T21:02:02 < srk> :D 2018-01-22T21:07:36 -!- markus-k [~markus@server01.comtime-it.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-22T21:13:29 -!- markus-k [~markus@server01.comtime-it.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T21:14:28 < Steffanx> Hello welcome, superbia! 2018-01-22T21:15:36 < Steffanx> +f 2018-01-22T21:16:20 < BrainDamage> no, he's just turning you into a female 2018-01-22T21:16:34 < BrainDamage> you'll be the channel's bitch 2018-01-22T21:17:56 -!- kikes [~Janne@85-23-106-1.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T21:18:14 < Steffanx> no, its a try to make you write my name properly, mr supebia 2018-01-22T21:20:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-0eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T21:20:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-22T21:21:18 < upgrdman> did superbia have a seizure 2018-01-22T21:22:37 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-22T21:22:43 < upgrdman> what's with that faggot 2018-01-22T21:22:55 < Steffanx> idk, dont care :P 2018-01-22T21:23:00 < upgrdman> comes in, happy, then rage quits. 2018-01-22T21:23:26 < upgrdman> see now if leeloo would do that, things would have been fun 2018-01-22T21:24:03 < BrainDamage> well, one can have a shitty day irl 2018-01-22T21:24:42 < BrainDamage> being able to separate your rl identity to your virtual one is not something everyone can pull of 2018-01-22T21:24:44 < Steffanx> and i just wanted him to write my name properly :S 2018-01-22T21:24:45 < BrainDamage> off* 2018-01-22T21:25:08 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T21:25:29 < BrainDamage> ehhh just leave him alone, it didn't seem a desperate case 2018-01-22T21:25:33 -!- markus-k [~markus@server01.comtime-it.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-22T21:26:11 < upgrdman> must use kids gloves, huh 2018-01-22T21:26:15 < upgrdman> *kid 2018-01-22T21:26:51 < BrainDamage> he didn't ask for and he quit by himself, doesn't seem to me the case 2018-01-22T21:27:18 < BrainDamage> just that poking stabs after he quits seems a bit pointless 2018-01-22T21:27:43 < Steffanx> I wasnt poking nor stabbing in the first place. 2018-01-22T21:27:51 < BrainDamage> upgrdman was 2018-01-22T21:27:53 < Steffanx> whatever. 2018-01-22T21:28:03 -!- markus-k [~markus@server01.comtime-it.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T21:28:24 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, ok i'll try to be less of a douche bag 2018-01-22T21:28:38 < Steffanx> being able to separate your rl identity to your virtual one is not something everyone can pull of <= upgrdman? :P 2018-01-22T21:28:45 < Steffanx> At least your irc personality. 2018-01-22T21:28:50 < Steffanx> In your vids you are a nice guy 2018-01-22T21:28:51 < dale6998> i'm trying to toggle some GPIOs with a PWM using the and this is a little test code to see if it's working, but...it's not...can anyone tell what i'm doing wrong here? 2018-01-22T21:28:54 < dale6998> https://pastebin.com/UHwmAStg 2018-01-22T21:28:57 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-22T21:29:17 < upgrdman> Steffanx, in my vids i act like i do IRL. in irc im a child because that's more fun. 2018-01-22T21:29:21 < dale6998> i thought that by checking the CC1IF, I could tell if channel 1 is what brought me into the interrupt handler 2018-01-22T21:29:34 < dale6998> otherwise, i must have came in because of an ARR overflow, right? 2018-01-22T21:31:34 < Steffanx> It's not working.. does it do anyhing? Does it ever trigger the interrupt? 2018-01-22T21:31:44 < dale6998> upgrdman: your videos are awesome! i'm trying to follow the pid one now 2018-01-22T21:31:56 < upgrdman> dale6998, thanks :) 2018-01-22T21:32:13 < dale6998> Steffanx: sorry, sorry...i mean, it toggles, but the pulse train is not a constant duty cycle 2018-01-22T21:32:22 < BrainDamage> btw Steffanx you really can't tell when i am drunk :P 2018-01-22T21:32:36 < Steffanx> Yes I can, sometimes. 2018-01-22T21:32:58 < srk> upgrdman: PID? gimme :) 2018-01-22T21:33:19 < srk> need to write a few 2018-01-22T21:34:18 < Steffanx> do you ever clear the interrupt flags dale6998? 2018-01-22T21:34:23 < upgrdman> srk, https://www.youtube.com/user/upgrdman/videos 2018-01-22T21:35:05 < dale6998> Steffanx: wait, that's wrong what i pasted...that was a few furious 'shotgun edits' after it saw the symptoms i described...what i pasted is a real mess 2018-01-22T21:35:11 < dale6998> Steffanx: this is it: https://pastebin.com/8iDjA4Cj 2018-01-22T21:35:19 < Steffanx> hah 2018-01-22T21:35:28 < dale6998> Steffanx: this creates a weird pulse train with varying duty cycles 2018-01-22T21:36:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-22T21:36:05 < dale6998> Steffanx: no, i am not clearing any flags...i thought the HAL would do that 2018-01-22T21:36:24 < Steffanx> oh, im not into the HAL code. It might do that, but im not sure it does 2018-01-22T21:36:32 < dale6998> Steffanx: i mean, i thought that HAL_TIM_IRQHandler(&htim4); would do that 2018-01-22T21:37:02 < dale6998> Steffanx: i'm always ashamed to come here and ask questions with HAL code...i'm trying to get away from it, but it's like a bit of a drug 2018-01-22T21:37:24 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T21:37:38 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: as statement it's kind of useless, sometimes i can predict weather too, how good you can is what matters :P ( and nearly every time you've announced so you were actually wrong ) 2018-01-22T21:37:38 < Steffanx> it seems you are right. it seems to clear it dale6998 2018-01-22T21:38:13 < dale6998> is there a register that will say 'i'm timer4 and i've overflowed my ARR and raised an interrupt'? all i see in the RM is stuff in the SR for CCR's and OCR's 2018-01-22T21:38:44 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, i donly mention you being drunk because you mention it once in a while 2018-01-22T21:39:36 < BrainDamage> i only mention when i am actually 2018-01-22T21:39:51 < Steffanx> Ok, are you? 2018-01-22T21:40:01 < BrainDamage> tipsy, not straight drunk 2018-01-22T21:40:03 < Steffanx> Nah whatever, none of my business. 2018-01-22T21:41:13 < Steffanx> I do feel sorry for you, no matter if you want me or not. 2018-01-22T21:41:19 < Steffanx> *want me to 2018-01-22T21:42:11 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljyodrtdhtfzwayj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-22T21:42:36 < Steffanx> dale6998, you can use the update event triggered by the ARR. 2018-01-22T21:42:47 < Steffanx> or you can setup a second cc and use that. 2018-01-22T21:43:04 < Steffanx> why you pwm in sw btw? Can't the hw toggle the pins for you? 2018-01-22T21:43:40 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2018-01-22T21:43:43 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!~root@168.235.89.*] by Steffanx 2018-01-22T21:43:43 -!- lncog was kicked from ##stm32 by Steffanx [Bye] 2018-01-22T21:44:00 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2018-01-22T21:45:14 < dale6998> Steffanx: I already routed the boards...and i didn't route them to a PWM pin...so, i fucked up. 2018-01-22T21:45:23 < Steffanx> BrainDamage: Better have a beer with Tectu and me, in case i really follow my plans on visiting him this summer. 2018-01-22T21:46:15 < Steffanx> Anyway, i think you should be able to use CC and the update event triggered by the AR(R). 2018-01-22T21:47:42 < Steffanx> @ mr dale6998 2018-01-22T21:50:38 < dale6998> Steffanx: CC? 2018-01-22T21:51:53 < Steffanx> Capture/Compare. Kinda like how you do it now. 2018-01-22T21:54:29 < dale6998> Steffanx: Ok, I thought I just had the ARR and CCR1 set up 2018-01-22T21:54:41 < dale6998> Steffanx: didn't know it was in capture compare mode 2018-01-22T21:55:29 -!- markus-k [~markus@server01.comtime-it.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-22T21:55:33 < Steffanx> CC1IF: Capture/compare 1 interrupt flag 2018-01-22T21:55:33 < Steffanx> If channel CC1 is configured as output: 2018-01-22T21:55:33 < Steffanx> This flag is set by hardware when the counter matches the compare value. It is cleared by 2018-01-22T21:55:33 < Steffanx> ^^ that's what you're using right, dale6998? :D 2018-01-22T21:55:45 < Steffanx> oops, too much pasta 2018-01-22T21:56:04 < dale6998> Steffanx: oh, i just read that myself! 2018-01-22T21:56:19 -!- markus-k [~markus@server01.comtime-it.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T21:56:24 < Steffanx> hehe, you better read through the entire chapter about your timer4 a bit dale6998 2018-01-22T21:56:39 < Steffanx> Im sure it won't kill you. Just take you some time. 2018-01-22T21:57:04 < dale6998> Steffanx: ok, so that guy will let me know if i overflowed ARR...alright, i'll keep reading! 2018-01-22T21:59:35 -!- Swappage [~rampage@unaffiliated/swappage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T22:09:04 -!- static [~quassel@dslb-084-062-023-222.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-22T22:09:14 < englishman> anyone here have experience with 6lowpan? 2018-01-22T22:20:08 -!- ohsix [~ohsix@72.35.129.241] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T22:25:28 < kikes> if patent text says logic unit 2018-01-22T22:25:32 < kikes> meaning mcu 2018-01-22T22:25:57 < kikes> and I implement similar functionality with analog circuit 2018-01-22T22:26:05 < kikes> is it to be concidered as logic unit 2018-01-22T22:26:09 < kikes> or logic 2018-01-22T22:29:52 < Steffanx> and it's Lncog, not Incog :P 2018-01-22T22:29:55 < Steffanx> whops 2018-01-22T22:30:02 < Steffanx> ^ Ultrasauce 2018-01-22T22:34:31 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T22:34:48 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T22:38:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T22:38:13 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T22:39:24 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T22:40:41 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-0eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T22:42:32 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-22T22:42:52 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T22:52:00 < kikes> amass makes more than xt60 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3sets-AMASS-Original-authentic-MT60-Connectors-plugs-3-pin-XT60-plugs-connectors-for-Lipo-battery-ESC/32693744416.html 2018-01-22T22:54:07 < kikes> is there such codes for f103 that makes it usb-uart really easy? 2018-01-22T22:58:31 < srk> kikes: libopencm3-examples I would say 2018-01-22T22:58:47 < kikes> I mean zero effort 2018-01-22T22:59:46 < kikes> something that would work even when I didn't care 2018-01-22T23:00:02 < kikes> is timecube for that? 2018-01-22T23:00:08 < kikes> yet to be installed 2018-01-22T23:02:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-22T23:03:50 < kikes> movie recommds? 2018-01-22T23:06:08 < Steffanx> it's not that you will listen to any recommendation ... kikes 2018-01-22T23:06:17 < englishman> arduino 2018-01-22T23:06:43 < kikes> I don't recall when I have not listened englishman's recomds 2018-01-22T23:06:48 < BrainDamage> when was the last time you actually watched a reccomendation? 2018-01-22T23:07:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T23:07:18 < BrainDamage> so why asking the channel if you only listen to his 2018-01-22T23:07:33 < englishman> master and commander 2018-01-22T23:07:39 < Steffanx> kikes just wants to make conversation. That's ok too. 2018-01-22T23:07:47 < kikes> sometimes 2018-01-22T23:07:50 < kikes> many times 2018-01-22T23:08:33 < BrainDamage> I'd prefer a less frustrating topic then 2018-01-22T23:09:11 < BrainDamage> or at least a question made in the way it wouldn't be a straight lie, like 'talk about a movie you liked' rather than 'suggest me a movie I'd never watch' 2018-01-22T23:09:20 < BrainDamage> I'll* 2018-01-22T23:09:53 < kikes> I have actually once or twice watched a movie that had not been recomd by englishman 2018-01-22T23:09:54 < Steffanx> Damn it BrainDamage. Cheer up mate \o/ 2018-01-22T23:10:31 < Steffanx> Are you into Thorn kikes? The new one leaked a month early. 2018-01-22T23:10:33 < englishman> don't forget to register your sauna 2018-01-22T23:11:18 < kikes> Steffanx, kind of.. not a fan but I watch them 2018-01-22T23:11:18 < Thorn> new who 2018-01-22T23:11:31 < zyp> the new Thorn 2018-01-22T23:11:39 < Steffanx> oh lol, Thor. 2018-01-22T23:11:40 < kikes> englishman, sauna register and pay sauna tax? 2018-01-22T23:11:42 < Steffanx> <3 auto-complete 2018-01-22T23:11:43 < englishman> the old one sucked 2018-01-22T23:11:54 < Steffanx> Sorry Thorn. 2018-01-22T23:12:08 < Thorn> I'm not that old, I don't need a replacement 2018-01-22T23:13:09 < Steffanx> Thorn Ragnarok 2017.. 2018-01-22T23:15:48 < kikes> like a cam leak or proper digital leak? 2018-01-22T23:15:54 < Steffanx> web-dl 2018-01-22T23:16:03 < Steffanx> itunes leaked it 2018-01-22T23:16:29 < kikes> sure 2018-01-22T23:16:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2018-01-22T23:17:11 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman 2018-01-22T23:17:24 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b Laurenceb_!*@*] by englishman 2018-01-22T23:17:43 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by englishman 2018-01-22T23:19:18 < kikes> proper long ban 2018-01-22T23:20:49 < Steffanx> Yes, im sure about that kikes. News said it. And it aint no fake news. 2018-01-22T23:21:39 < kikes> I meant sure - when it's stream - it's out 2018-01-22T23:47:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-22T23:50:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-22T23:51:44 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:290e:11e2:9de3:4603] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] --- Day changed Tue Jan 23 2018 2018-01-23T00:08:53 -!- bfrog [~tburdick@unaffiliated/submersive] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T00:12:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-23T00:12:24 < bfrog> so I'd like to have a usb connector, but internally use it like a serial port, it seems like many of the devices have native usb and you can use usb cdc to do that, or just use a seperate ftdi chip and a uart? Do people recommend one over the other? 2018-01-23T00:14:19 < upgrdman> if i have an ethernet device, and it will be plugged directly into a pc (not a router), how does that device tell the pc it's ip address (using static ip's, not dhcp) 2018-01-23T00:15:06 < kikes> bfrog, ftdi is the easy way 2018-01-23T00:15:20 < kikes> or similar chinese 2018-01-23T00:15:28 < sync> upgrdman: it doesn't 2018-01-23T00:15:46 < upgrdman> sync, ? 2018-01-23T00:15:52 < kikes> there is no way upgrdman 2018-01-23T00:16:04 < upgrdman> so what do you do, "ask" for an ip? 2018-01-23T00:16:21 < kikes> you set static ip to both 2018-01-23T00:16:35 < sync> you can run a dhcp server on your device 2018-01-23T00:16:41 < sync> or your windows does that 2018-01-23T00:16:57 < upgrdman> sync, trying to keep the firmware simple. lwip is fighting me the whole way :( 2018-01-23T00:17:05 < sync> well rip 2018-01-23T00:17:06 < sync> :D 2018-01-23T00:17:19 < upgrdman> i'd like to send raw packets :) i just need an ip address, and the ability to send/receive udp 2018-01-23T00:17:25 < kikes> bfrog, you need to read about driver issues and limitations of the converter chips and also look downsides of using pirate ftdi 2018-01-23T00:17:54 < upgrdman> if windows can do dhcp, how do i ask for an ip then 2018-01-23T00:17:56 < kikes> concider what platforms you want to connect the chip 2018-01-23T00:18:07 < kikes> is it windows, linux, raspi etc. 2018-01-23T00:18:07 < upgrdman> just windows 2018-01-23T00:18:09 < sync> by running a dhcp client 2018-01-23T00:18:09 < Ultrasauce> https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/695292366639378433 the downsides of counterfeit ftdi 2018-01-23T00:18:35 < kikes> :D 2018-01-23T00:18:38 < Ultrasauce> upgrdman: if you're hardcoding an ip on the device, why not on the pc too? 2018-01-23T00:18:41 < sync> but just using static ips is the way to go if you want to keep the firmware simple 2018-01-23T00:18:44 < kikes> or upsides Ultrasauce ? 2018-01-23T00:18:50 < kikes> what do you use personally? 2018-01-23T00:19:03 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, sure fine. but how do i tell the pc to just that RJ45 for that ip 2018-01-23T00:19:14 < Steffanx> Thats not a down side Ultrasauce 2018-01-23T00:19:16 < upgrdman> yes i want static ips 2018-01-23T00:19:18 < upgrdman> no need for dhcp 2018-01-23T00:19:40 < kikes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhgA9leSs6o night music jukebox 2018-01-23T00:19:48 < Steffanx> I read that as: the original doesnt do what it should do. 2018-01-23T00:20:06 < bfrog> yeah, I've just noticed what a pain in the ass the usb-cdc route is in general 2018-01-23T00:20:22 < englishman> cp2104? 2018-01-23T00:20:29 < englishman> but its not hard to use stm32 native usb-cdc 2018-01-23T00:20:44 < Ultrasauce> upgrdman just give that second interface an ip in a different subnet from the other and the os should build the routing table correctly for it to Just Work 2018-01-23T00:20:51 < bfrog> well so, whats the general way people develop for stm32, I've only tried a little bit 2018-01-23T00:20:55 < kikes> bfrog, just use legit uart interface 2018-01-23T00:20:59 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: if you don't want to harcode, there's alternatively zeroconf or even a simple broadcast packet to communicate ips 2018-01-23T00:21:00 < bfrog> coming from avr with avr-gcc and such 2018-01-23T00:21:05 < kikes> rs232 - logic conversion 2018-01-23T00:21:09 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, i DO want to hardcode 2018-01-23T00:21:18 < kikes> can't lose with that 2018-01-23T00:21:18 < bfrog> like, keil is too much 2018-01-23T00:21:22 < upgrdman> good, what packet do i broadcast 2018-01-23T00:21:25 < englishman> what do you mean, too much? 2018-01-23T00:21:27 < bfrog> $6K on newark, wut 2018-01-23T00:21:35 < englishman> use stm32f0, get keil free 2018-01-23T00:21:52 < englishman> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk 2018-01-23T00:22:00 < BrainDamage> did dongs die btw 2018-01-23T00:22:01 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T00:22:10 < kikes> where is dongs? 2018-01-23T00:22:16 < Steffanx> Yes. Killed by incog, BrainDamage 2018-01-23T00:22:17 < kikes> rip 2018-01-23T00:22:21 < bfrog> :( not for the stm32f3 though, which is the device I'd like to use 2018-01-23T00:23:42 < Steffanx> The new ftee atollic truestudio atollicat bad either 2018-01-23T00:23:53 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, what kind of packet do i broadcast to communicate my ip 2018-01-23T00:23:54 < Steffanx> -atollicat 2018-01-23T00:24:12 < Ultrasauce> just a udb broadcast packet 2018-01-23T00:24:18 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: you just send a udp packet to the local subnet broadcast address 2018-01-23T00:24:22 < Steffanx> +aint 2018-01-23T00:24:23 < BrainDamage> and write wtf you want 2018-01-23T00:24:25 < Ultrasauce> "hi im upgrdman's dumb device, i support dumb device protocol v1.0" 2018-01-23T00:24:55 < BrainDamage> all devices in the same subnet mask will get it 2018-01-23T00:24:57 < Thorn> UPnP? 2018-01-23T00:25:07 < BrainDamage> no, upnp is overly complex for this 2018-01-23T00:25:23 < BrainDamage> you'll need broadcast packets, http servers, and other insanity 2018-01-23T00:25:38 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, so if my device sends a udp packet to 255.255.255.255, it'll end up at the pc, and the pc will know that the src ip for that packet belongs to my device> 2018-01-23T00:25:45 < BrainDamage> zeroconf would be a compromise, but still, for his goal, a single upd to broadcast is enough 2018-01-23T00:25:47 < Ultrasauce> exactly upgrdman 2018-01-23T00:25:52 < upgrdman> FUCK YES 2018-01-23T00:25:53 < upgrdman> thanks 2018-01-23T00:25:53 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: yes 2018-01-23T00:26:32 < Steffanx> Youll need an app to listen to the broadcasts ofcourse.. 2018-01-23T00:26:53 < BrainDamage> he'll need one to communicate with the device anyway 2018-01-23T00:27:23 < Steffanx> Ya, sure. 2018-01-23T00:27:43 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdcv7Shi9rM 2018-01-23T00:28:08 < upgrdman> but if no app is listening for the broadcast, will the pc at least know to assoicate the src ip with that RJ45? 2018-01-23T00:28:23 < upgrdman> e.g. so later when my app try to do udp to that ip, the pc knows where to send it 2018-01-23T00:28:49 < BrainDamage> routing rules are what decide where each packet goes where 2018-01-23T00:29:00 < BrainDamage> if the interface has that subnet mask, then packets will go there 2018-01-23T00:29:23 < BrainDamage> this is a consequence of configuring the ethernet device on the pc side 2018-01-23T00:29:40 < upgrdman> on the pc side, if the ethernet is not configured, what will it do 2018-01-23T00:29:46 < BrainDamage> nothing 2018-01-23T00:29:49 < BrainDamage> absoluetely nothing 2018-01-23T00:29:51 < Thorn> upgrdman: I guess what you're talking about is ARP 2018-01-23T00:29:57 < upgrdman> well im gettings packets on my device 2018-01-23T00:30:08 < BrainDamage> then the device is configured 2018-01-23T00:30:09 < upgrdman> and uart printing them shows lots of google cast shit, etc 2018-01-23T00:30:46 < BrainDamage> by default desktop os automagically configure the device at least partially when you plug 2018-01-23T00:30:57 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-23T00:31:03 < BrainDamage> but you won't get a subnet mask automagically without at least dhcp or a manual config 2018-01-23T00:31:08 < BrainDamage> or slaac 2018-01-23T00:31:36 < BrainDamage> because you need an ip address for the pc's interface, and a subnet mask to route shit to 2018-01-23T00:32:17 < BrainDamage> your app can configure the ethernet interface on the pc side: assign address and subnet mask 2018-01-23T00:32:22 < BrainDamage> once done, it can work properly 2018-01-23T00:34:33 < BrainDamage> ipv6 slaac is automatic and implicit in every modern os btw 2018-01-23T00:34:59 < BrainDamage> if you don't give a shit about supporting 10 yo os, you can use ipv6 only and everything will just work 2018-01-23T00:35:17 < kikes> oh.. broadcasting 2018-01-23T00:35:20 < kikes> sweet 2018-01-23T00:35:30 < kikes> but you need to pick a subnet 2018-01-23T00:36:02 < BrainDamage> fe80 for ipv6 slaac 2018-01-23T00:36:03 < upgrdman> in an ethernet frame, what do you use for the destination address if you dont know the pc's mac address 2018-01-23T00:36:12 < upgrdman> ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff ? 2018-01-23T00:37:04 < Ultrasauce> lwip does the arp lookup for you doesnt it? 2018-01-23T00:37:35 < upgrdman> lwip is broken for me, trying to get by without if possible 2018-01-23T00:37:54 < Ultrasauce> ah. well if you're hardcoding the ip, just hardcode the damn mac address too 2018-01-23T00:38:16 < upgrdman> sure but for diff pc's, that will change 2018-01-23T00:38:34 < BrainDamage> have the pc ping the client first then 2018-01-23T00:54:58 < jadew> upgrdman, looks like your youtube channel really kicked it off 2018-01-23T00:55:07 < upgrdman> ? 2018-01-23T00:55:15 < jadew> lots of views 2018-01-23T00:55:29 < jadew> last time I checked, you had views in the hundreds 2018-01-23T00:56:16 < jadew> 107k views - you're surpassing Dave Jones 2018-01-23T00:56:39 < upgrdman> wut. eevblog has exponentionally mroe views than me 2018-01-23T00:56:58 < jadew> do his videos go above 50k often? 2018-01-23T00:57:01 < upgrdman> but ya, my channel is slowly growing 2018-01-23T00:57:13 < jadew> lots of content 2018-01-23T00:57:19 -!- kow_ [~Ensign@135.0.26.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-23T00:57:21 < jadew> the most interesting one seems to have the fewest views 2018-01-23T00:57:29 -!- nex [~nex@191.96.70.226] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T00:57:32 < upgrdman> my lifetime totals right now are: 901376 views, 7570 subscribers 2018-01-23T00:57:33 < jadew> *seem 2018-01-23T00:57:39 < jadew> nice 2018-01-23T00:58:03 < upgrdman> averaging ~40,000 views per 28 days 2018-01-23T00:58:14 < jadew> neat 2018-01-23T00:58:24 < upgrdman> ya the only videos that have many videos are my arduino / pi vids :( 2018-01-23T00:58:30 < jadew> hope you'll still talk to us when you become a celebrity 2018-01-23T00:58:36 < upgrdman> many views* 2018-01-23T00:58:57 < upgrdman> ya that'll never happen. i refuse to jump cut my videos into 5 minute ADHD-friendly clips 2018-01-23T00:59:13 < upgrdman> if its a complicated process, i'll show it as it is 2018-01-23T00:59:30 < upgrdman> i do need to cut out more of my rambling, but still, the videos will be long 2018-01-23T01:00:02 < jadew> I wish my oratory skills were better, I had a couple of good ideas for youtube videos too 2018-01-23T01:00:41 < jadew> I just had one right now 2018-01-23T01:01:09 < jadew> would generate exponential number of views 2018-01-23T01:01:23 < jadew> how to talk to an arduino 2018-01-23T01:01:31 < jadew> from another arduino!!!1 2018-01-23T01:01:36 -!- kow_ [~root@139.99.100.189] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T01:01:45 < upgrdman> you should do it 2018-01-23T01:01:49 < kikes> generate infinite arduino views 2018-01-23T01:01:52 < jadew> I don't like arduinos 2018-01-23T01:01:59 < upgrdman> me neither 2018-01-23T01:02:03 < upgrdman> but money is nice 2018-01-23T01:02:08 < kikes> upgrdman, how many million at the moment? 2018-01-23T01:02:21 < kikes> views 2018-01-23T01:02:33 < jadew> kikes, views = 1/2 * money 2018-01-23T01:02:40 < jadew> he gets $2 per view 2018-01-23T01:02:59 < kikes> billion 2018-01-23T01:03:15 < upgrdman> my lifetime totals right now are: 901376 views, 7570 subscribers 2018-01-23T01:03:17 < upgrdman> kikes, ^ 2018-01-23T01:03:45 < kikes> nice 2018-01-23T01:04:00 < upgrdman> jadew, and wut, i dont get $2 per view. i wish. i could retire. 2018-01-23T01:04:11 < jadew> upgrdman, I know, I'm kidding 2018-01-23T01:04:25 < upgrdman> i get $70-120 per month. xmas time has the best ad revenue 2018-01-23T01:04:51 < jadew> that's a lot of effort for $100/mo 2018-01-23T01:04:55 < jadew> I'm sure it'll pick up 2018-01-23T01:05:23 < jadew> but you have to put a lot in it at first 2018-01-23T01:05:25 -!- nex [~nex@191.96.70.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-23T01:06:09 < upgrdman> yes 2018-01-23T01:06:17 < upgrdman> but theres months where i do ~nothing 2018-01-23T01:06:31 < upgrdman> and ya, it's all about building it up over time. i still make money off my old vids 2018-01-23T01:11:15 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-23T01:30:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-0eebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T01:39:18 < dale6998> can i do a while(!(DMA2->LISR & TCIF2)) while in a timer interrupt? 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2018-01-23T03:52:21 < Laurenceb_> https://pastebin.com/QYqvcFg5 2018-01-23T03:59:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T04:05:20 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2018-01-23T04:07:47 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-23T04:12:33 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-orPZyhNtAg 2018-01-23T04:16:57 < jadew> so now not only some women will be better than you at sports, a few of them will also have a bigger dick 2018-01-23T04:20:41 < Ultrasauce> I was really hoping I'd get the fox news perspective on the matter thanks for the link jadew 2018-01-23T04:20:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T04:21:10 < jadew> np 2018-01-23T04:26:40 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-23T04:31:27 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T05:01:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-23T05:01:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-23T05:01:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T05:13:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T05:14:59 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T05:16:19 < dongs> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2158878-cute-cats-the-size-of-kittens-are-seeing-their-homes-destroyed/ attn Thorn 2018-01-23T05:25:38 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-23T05:27:29 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/ETgkoCq 2018-01-23T05:40:58 < englishman> lol Laurenceb_ 2018-01-23T05:56:50 < englishman> i trust everyone got their digikey rulers https://i.imgur.com/ISLRzhE.jpg 2018-01-23T06:03:03 < srk> nah but I got a cat 2018-01-23T06:03:06 < srk> similar to yours :D 2018-01-23T06:03:41 < englishman> :) 2018-01-23T06:12:22 < ohsix> booooooop 2018-01-23T06:18:22 < ohsix> booop 2018-01-23T06:18:36 < ohsix> so my scheme to rejoin random channels i was in over power events is great success 2018-01-23T06:18:47 < ohsix> could be better but it is very rare 2018-01-23T06:39:31 < rajkosto> so whats the drill size that makes vias impossible to see even under microscope if its on a copper pad 2018-01-23T06:43:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T06:51:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-23T06:52:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-23T07:06:54 < rajkosto> 0.1 ? 2018-01-23T07:07:02 < rajkosto> i mean not even a divot 2018-01-23T07:08:14 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-23T07:11:09 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-23T07:11:52 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:13:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-23T07:14:53 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:15:36 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-23T07:16:11 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:19:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:23:33 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-23T07:25:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:30:19 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-23T07:33:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:43:05 -!- Drzacek [~Drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:43:08 < Drzacek> Good morning 2018-01-23T07:45:32 < Drzacek> How do I communicate between my C/C++ program on a PC and and my stm32 board over USB? 2018-01-23T07:48:54 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-23T07:50:02 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T07:55:14 < englishman> damn the pdn analyzer is cool as fuck 2018-01-23T07:55:29 < englishman> Drzacek, usb cdc class is a pretty simple way 2018-01-23T07:55:50 < Drzacek> okay 2018-01-23T07:56:18 < Drzacek> will it allow me to send custom data between my program and stm32? 2018-01-23T07:57:23 < Drzacek> isn't this just virtual COM port? 2018-01-23T07:57:50 < englishman> yes 2018-01-23T07:57:54 < englishman> so you can send whatever you like 2018-01-23T07:58:45 < Drzacek> okay. was kinda hoping for something more sophisticated 2018-01-23T07:59:48 < englishman> imo thats the opposite of ideal 2018-01-23T08:00:13 < englishman> you can get sophisticated if you like, plenty of other device classes 2018-01-23T08:00:27 < englishman> but your question was answered 2018-01-23T08:01:47 < Drzacek> this is true 2018-01-23T08:02:15 < englishman> dongs, 18.0.10 brings back sidebar tabbing 2018-01-23T08:03:26 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T08:27:28 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/documentation/18.0/display/ADES/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer why is this not even in the fucking changelog? 2018-01-23T08:27:50 < rajkosto> MULTI-BOARD DESIGNS :O ?! 2018-01-23T08:28:01 < rajkosto> how this work 2018-01-23T08:28:09 < dongs> you have more than one .pcbdoc 2018-01-23T08:28:17 < rajkosto> and it works ? 2018-01-23T08:28:21 < dongs> yes? 2018-01-23T08:28:21 < rajkosto> its just what i always wanted 2018-01-23T08:28:39 < dongs> most people just work around that shit by creating separate nets 2018-01-23T08:28:47 < rajkosto> i did 2018-01-23T08:28:49 < rajkosto> it was annoying 2018-01-23T08:28:53 < dongs> like I make a panelized pcb with a main big board and small boards aroudn it by making GND1, GND2 etc 2018-01-23T08:28:56 < dongs> to split the stuff. 2018-01-23T08:28:59 < rajkosto> yes 2018-01-23T08:29:25 < dongs> no idea how the new shit works, but it requires a new project type mpcbproj and it lets you ahve several pcbdocs in it 2018-01-23T08:30:58 < dongs> wtf polling UART just doesnt work at ALL 2018-01-23T08:31:01 < dongs> instant overrun 2018-01-23T08:31:06 < dongs> i had to implement RX IRQ 2018-01-23T08:31:14 < dongs> regardless of how slow baudrate is 2018-01-23T08:45:27 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-23T08:45:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5debe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T08:59:05 -!- kikes [~Janne@85-23-106-1.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T09:07:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-23T09:19:08 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T09:31:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5debe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-23T09:52:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T10:02:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T10:02:43 -!- dongs [~dongs@bcas.tv] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-23T10:02:44 < zyp> multi board designs sounds neat if handled right 2018-01-23T10:04:05 -!- dongs [~dongs@bcas.tv] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T10:05:25 < zyp> http://www.altium.com/documentation/18.0/display/ADES/((Capturing+the+Logical+System+Design))_AD 2018-01-23T10:06:26 < zyp> looks like an extension to hierarchical design or something 2018-01-23T10:07:28 < dongs> sup zyp. you think its swapped or just shitty photo? 2018-01-23T10:07:49 < zyp> dongs, looks swapped to me 2018-01-23T10:08:01 < dongs> OK 2018-01-23T10:08:03 < dongs> told 2018-01-23T10:12:44 < zyp> looks like the multi-board stuff just links together independent child-projects, and gives you some extra interconnectivity validation and a 3d-view with everything assembled together 2018-01-23T10:16:06 < dongs> oh. 2018-01-23T10:26:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-23T10:26:57 < Drzacek> Can the CAN-bus and USB both be active on stm32f103? I get "usb device not recognized" errors when I configure CAN in cubemx. Kinda need both things to work 2018-01-23T10:29:31 < dongs> zyp, its illusion i guess 2018-01-23T10:29:37 < dongs> tehy sentnew pic with the pairs spread and it loosk fine 2018-01-23T10:29:48 < dongs> retweeting it 2018-01-23T10:31:00 < zyp> ok, looks good 2018-01-23T10:32:25 < dongs> ok! 2018-01-23T10:32:30 < zyp> still don't think original pic is an illusion, just try following the white conductors :p 2018-01-23T10:33:52 < dongs> they dont even understand what you meant by swapped so i doubt it lol 2018-01-23T10:34:48 < dongs> wow in VS2017 they decided to completely hide build window by default 2018-01-23T10:34:51 < dongs> who cares if you get warnings and shit 2018-01-23T10:35:01 < dongs> build succeeded, ship it 2018-01-23T10:35:15 < dongs> probably reason whyt win10 sucks 2018-01-23T10:39:04 < MrMobius> hey, the GPIO config stuff for ARM is vendor specific, right? 2018-01-23T10:39:25 < Thorn> Drzacek: no, they share FIFOs 2018-01-23T10:39:53 < dongs> not on f103. its all over reference manual, too 2018-01-23T10:39:53 < Drzacek> ah bummer 2018-01-23T10:39:59 < MrMobius> but internal pull ups or open drain or whatever is up to the vendor isnt it? 2018-01-23T10:40:13 < dongs> MrMobius: STM GPIO has nothign to do with arm 2018-01-23T10:40:19 < dongs> ARM has its own GPIO stuff thats compeltely different 2018-01-23T10:40:23 < Thorn> I had to add a ft232 for this reason (I think it was in 2011, last time I used f103) 2018-01-23T10:40:45 < Drzacek> so my alternatives are - instead of usb cdc, use real usart with external usb->serial adapter, or use other chip? 2018-01-23T10:40:58 < Thorn> find a newer chip 2018-01-23T10:41:23 < MrMobius> dongs, like ARM has GPIO stuff STM could have used but chose not to? 2018-01-23T10:41:29 < dongs> correct 2018-01-23T10:41:33 < Thorn> something like f072 2018-01-23T10:43:26 < Thorn> (or if all you need is a serial port you could use a usb/serial chip of course) 2018-01-23T10:45:27 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T10:47:27 < Drzacek> I cannot find anything about simultaneous CAN/USB use in f103 docs 2018-01-23T10:50:34 < qyx> RM0008, section 24. CAN 2018-01-23T10:50:55 < qyx> there is a note in the features subsection 2018-01-23T10:51:20 < qyx> which is like the first thing you are reading if you are going to use the peripheral 2018-01-23T10:51:33 < dongs> hes using cube 2018-01-23T10:51:34 < dongs> so i doubt it. 2018-01-23T10:51:50 < dongs> also lol @ cube not disabling one or the other 2018-01-23T10:52:04 < Thorn> "such peripheral, so many features! oh btw you can't use it" 2018-01-23T10:53:50 < qyx> also wtf, those AF are on the same pins 2018-01-23T10:54:09 < qyx> Drzacek: how did you manage to get your board done 2018-01-23T10:55:08 < Drzacek> qyx, clearly we are looking at different pdf 2018-01-23T10:55:42 < Drzacek> dongs, cube lets you move CAN to other pins to make place USB, so it gives you a hint that it is possible to use it same time 2018-01-23T10:56:06 < Drzacek> also didn't do my own board yet, working on a prebuilt dev board 2018-01-23T10:56:14 < Drzacek> also, thanks for being so friendly 2018-01-23T10:56:28 < qyx> hm, you mean by remapping 2018-01-23T10:56:47 < qyx> to pb8/pb9? 2018-01-23T10:57:19 < qyx> seems possible, but that usually means that you are using the part in some weird way 2018-01-23T10:58:07 < zyp> Drzacek, on stm32f1 it's impossible to use both CAN and USB at the same time, it's not a limitation of pin mapping 2018-01-23T10:58:18 < zyp> but the buffer memory is shared 2018-01-23T10:58:30 < zyp> and can only be used by one of the peripherals at a time 2018-01-23T10:58:44 < Drzacek> zyp, thats what caused the confusion 2018-01-23T10:59:58 < zyp> some newer parts does not have that limitation 2018-01-23T11:00:09 < zyp> e.g. I have a f042-based device here that works as a USB to CAN adapter 2018-01-23T11:00:44 < Drzacek> qyx, in document you mentioned there is indeed information about that. Don't know why they didn't mention it in f103 doc (which is way less detailed than this one) 2018-01-23T11:00:51 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/59/b9/ba/7f/11/af/43/d5/CD00171190.pdf/files/CD00171190.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00171190.pdf page 622 2018-01-23T11:00:55 < zyp> "In low, medium, high and XL-density devices, the USB and CAN share a dedicated 512-byte SRAM memory for data transmission and reception, and so they cannot be used concurrently (the shared RAM is accessed through CAN and USB exclusively). The USB and CAN can be used in the same application but not at the same time." 2018-01-23T11:01:09 < dongs> what happened to euro smart-quotes 2018-01-23T11:01:26 < zyp> windows keymap doesn't have them 2018-01-23T11:01:31 < dongs> snort. 2018-01-23T11:01:43 < dongs> hmm so if i wanted ot RLE some bitmaps 2018-01-23T11:01:53 < dongs> what would I choose as a marker symbol that its a length 2018-01-23T11:02:01 < Drzacek> CD00161566 2018-01-23T11:02:15 < dongs> Drzacek: thats datasheet 2018-01-23T11:02:24 < qyx> what are smart quotes 2018-01-23T11:02:26 < dongs> thats half of what you need, also need RM0008 as qyx said 2018-01-23T11:02:33 < dongs> qyx, shti that looks ilek << cocks >> 2018-01-23T11:02:36 < dongs> but in one char 2018-01-23T11:02:48 < qyx> ah 2018-01-23T11:03:02 < Drzacek> didn't knew I need both of them 2018-01-23T11:03:24 < Drzacek> usually I just find the pdf for the part I'm interested in and all the relevant info is there 2018-01-23T11:04:12 < zyp> «» 2018-01-23T11:04:12 < qyx> mh, lunix neither 2018-01-23T11:04:21 < dongs> must be a macfag thing 2018-01-23T11:04:22 < qyx> at least I can't fint tem 2018-01-23T11:04:39 < zyp> qyx, IIRC they are altgr+v/b on linux 2018-01-23T11:04:44 < zyp> at least norwegian linux keymap 2018-01-23T11:04:50 < qyx> thats @{ 2018-01-23T11:05:04 < zyp> hmm, no altgr+z/x 2018-01-23T11:05:07 < zyp> v/b is macos 2018-01-23T11:05:25 < qyx> nope, °# 2018-01-23T11:05:30 < qyx> I tried all :> 2018-01-23T11:05:37 < qyx> even ctrl+altgr+ 2018-01-23T11:05:40 < zyp> apparently in windows I can do alt+0171/0187, but fuck that :p 2018-01-23T11:05:45 < qyx> shift I meant 2018-01-23T11:08:28 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T11:08:32 -!- SolderBlob [~randomUse@095-097-091-123.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-23T11:14:01 < Steffanx> Wb dongs :P 2018-01-23T11:18:28 < dongs> dongs indeed 2018-01-23T11:22:10 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T11:24:59 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 2018-01-23T11:27:54 < stvn> stffn 2018-01-23T11:28:10 < dongs> ne new pumps 2018-01-23T11:28:50 < stvn> yeah mate 2018-01-23T11:29:07 < stvn> http://johnnypump.com.au/index.html 2018-01-23T11:29:14 < stvn> saw this as i was going past the other day 2018-01-23T11:29:35 < stvn> had to invoke google, find out wtf it is 2018-01-23T11:34:13 < stvn> do you understand? 2018-01-23T11:34:49 < stvn> was certain i'd struck the pumping goldmine 2018-01-23T11:39:16 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T11:41:49 < dongs> wtf 2018-01-23T11:46:56 < karlp> altgr+z/x works well for me :) 2018-01-23T11:47:18 < karlp> ←→ are y/i, if you prefer those ones 2018-01-23T11:49:26 < qyx> ←→ works for me too 2018-01-23T11:51:09 < stvn> i need a kettle to test my new smps 2018-01-23T11:51:30 < Tectu> so let's say you have an STM32F407 with a regular LAN PHY and LwIP running. what kind of performance/throughput can one expect? I assume that 1Mbps upstream should not be a problem, right? 2018-01-23T11:52:51 < zyp> I'd expect the hardware itself could saturate the link 2018-01-23T11:53:58 < zyp> so then it's a question of how fast you can generate/consume data and how much overhead you have in handling it, tcp, etc 2018-01-23T11:54:15 < Tectu> yep - just looking for some ballpark 2018-01-23T11:54:39 < Tectu> it's basically retrieving data over a 1Mbps USART, doing very light manipulation and pushing it via TCP 2018-01-23T11:55:07 < zyp> I don't imagine you'd have any problems doing 1Mb/s sustained 2018-01-23T11:56:07 < Tectu> great, exactly my thought :) 2018-01-23T11:57:50 < qyx> once I did 600ksps/16bit ADC data over tcp on F107 2018-01-23T11:58:10 < qyx> I was getting >50mbps of udp on F107 2018-01-23T12:00:26 < zyp> 600ksps/16bit should be around 10Mb/s 2018-01-23T12:01:21 < Tectu> interesting. thanks for the info, qyx :) 2018-01-23T12:02:16 < stvn> tct 2018-01-23T12:02:20 < Tectu> pmpr 2018-01-23T12:02:33 < stvn> wut are you doing mate 2018-01-23T12:02:44 < Tectu> do you really wanna ask that? 2018-01-23T12:02:57 < stvn> yeah 2018-01-23T12:03:33 < Tectu> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 2018-01-23T12:05:03 < stvn> ffs 2018-01-23T12:09:08 < Steffanx> Lol 2018-01-23T12:09:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T12:16:47 < dongs> pumping, what else 2018-01-23T12:24:02 < stvn> no time to pump 2018-01-23T12:25:26 < stvn> 390vDC 2018-01-23T12:33:16 < kikes> recommend hall sensor for measuring currents thru wire 2018-01-23T12:39:07 < stvn> the one dong said a year ago maybe 2018-01-23T12:45:01 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-23T12:45:38 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T12:45:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-23T12:46:28 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T12:47:14 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: the dogs] 2018-01-23T12:48:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T12:59:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T13:55:30 -!- Drzacek [~Drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-23T14:11:58 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-23T14:12:49 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T14:22:23 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-23T14:24:09 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-23T14:24:30 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T14:26:21 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T14:39:30 -!- Laurence_b [80f3029d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.243.2.157] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2018-01-23T14:39:35 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T14:51:25 < kikes> 600V sot23 fet 2018-01-23T14:51:29 < kikes> why? 2018-01-23T14:54:39 < zyp> uh, does a sot23 even have enough isolation distance for 600V without coating it? 2018-01-23T14:54:54 < kikes> no way 2018-01-23T14:55:37 < kikes> I think you need to know what you are doing when you are placing 600V sot23 fets to your design 2018-01-23T15:01:05 < sync> zyp: depending on the environment class, probably yeah 2018-01-23T15:11:05 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T15:11:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T15:24:15 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/QYqvcFg5 2018-01-23T15:24:20 < Laurenceb> what drugs? 2018-01-23T15:28:39 < kikes> has anyone tested to find optimal currents to create a perfect symmetry between red and green leds? 2018-01-23T15:28:53 < kikes> red is always more bright I think 2018-01-23T15:29:10 < kikes> I don't want nether to look feded out 2018-01-23T15:29:13 < kikes> faded 2018-01-23T15:30:39 < BrainDamage> it's not that simple, different devices will have different efficiency so same power in 2 diff brand of leds will give you different intensity 2018-01-23T15:31:39 < BrainDamage> so everytime you change brand you'll have to find a new matching value 2018-01-23T15:32:18 < Laurenceb> >what are candelas 2018-01-23T15:32:33 -!- mwfc [~mwfc@playerpiano.mwfc.info] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T15:32:59 < BrainDamage> he wanted an universal value, not calculate it 2018-01-23T15:33:05 -!- mwfc [~mwfc@playerpiano.mwfc.info] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-23T15:33:41 -!- mwfc [~mwfc@playerpiano.mwfc.info] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T15:37:50 -!- kow__ [~root@62.151.183.164] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T15:41:19 -!- kow_ [~root@139.99.100.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-23T15:41:50 < kikes> BrainDamage, sucks 2018-01-23T15:43:31 < BrainDamage> find the luminous intensity efficiency in the datashit and adjust power/current to match them 2018-01-23T15:45:36 < kikes> I think I will chinasupply it 2018-01-23T15:45:47 < kikes> straight from pcb factory stock 2018-01-23T15:46:27 < jadew> good magnifier: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Professional-37mm-Diameter-15X-Magnifier-Portable-Pocket-Handheld-Glass-Loupe-Magnifying-Tool-with-2-LED/32793127705.html 2018-01-23T15:46:44 < jadew> it just arrived and it's perfect for reading SMD markings 2018-01-23T15:48:03 < BrainDamage> i have one with a black box frame so i can just hold it on top of the board at the right focal distance, i cba to adjust the spacing everytime by trial and error to get the best quality 2018-01-23T15:48:27 < kikes> I think I get stereo microscope recommended by marco_reps 2018-01-23T15:49:00 < kikes> or another one of these magnifiers with table edge mounting and leds 2018-01-23T15:49:12 < kikes> I think it's 15cm lens 2018-01-23T15:49:46 < jadew> BrainDamage, that looks interesting too, but I wanted something easy to move around 2018-01-23T15:50:00 < jadew> that one has a rather big magnifier, no? 2018-01-23T15:50:15 < jadew> you probably get a stereo image out of it 2018-01-23T15:50:34 < jadew> with this one you kinda have to keep one eye closed in order to get the best image (most magnification) 2018-01-23T15:50:47 < kikes> I think magnifier is kind of stereo 2018-01-23T15:50:51 < jadew> kikes, I have a stereo microscope too, but sometimes you just need to take a quick look at something 2018-01-23T15:50:55 < kikes> bad stereo but anyways 2018-01-23T15:51:08 < kikes> yes 2018-01-23T15:51:13 < jadew> no, it's decent stereo, I also have a huge magnifying glass in my lamp 2018-01-23T15:51:23 < jadew> but that's annoying to use 2018-01-23T15:51:32 < jadew> it wiggles 2018-01-23T15:55:07 < Laurenceb> what should I reply to email with? 2018-01-23T15:55:29 < BrainDamage> an email client 2018-01-23T15:55:36 < jadew> with the regular post 2018-01-23T15:55:39 < Laurenceb> I'm thinking Lolbertarian party video 2018-01-23T15:55:43 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/QYqvcFg5 2018-01-23T15:56:19 < Laurenceb> or this perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ChDDLTdR4 2018-01-23T16:07:23 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqxxevskmrfjnngw] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T16:12:50 < kikes> what is ref function in my new rigol? 2018-01-23T16:13:24 -!- kow_ [~root@191.96.71.41] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T16:13:42 < kikes> there is 8 channels 2018-01-23T16:17:05 -!- kow__ [~root@62.151.183.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T16:17:32 < kikes> ref channels 2018-01-23T16:36:56 < jadew> kikes, reference 2018-01-23T16:37:03 < jadew> you can store a trace there for reference 2018-01-23T16:37:17 < kikes> trace you mean measurement? 2018-01-23T16:37:22 < jadew> yeah 2018-01-23T16:37:26 < kikes> swweet 2018-01-23T16:37:39 < kikes> can I save a math function output? 2018-01-23T16:37:51 < jadew> in there? 2018-01-23T16:37:56 < jadew> I don't know, probably 2018-01-23T16:37:59 < kikes> whatever 2018-01-23T16:38:02 < kikes> not relevant atm. 2018-01-23T16:38:03 < jadew> see if you can select math as the source 2018-01-23T16:38:07 < kikes> okay 2018-01-23T17:01:22 -!- dekar [~dekar@p578c155d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2018-01-23T17:03:54 -!- kow__ [~root@77.68.88.38] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T17:06:09 < kikes> I can 2018-01-23T17:07:38 -!- kow_ [~root@191.96.71.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-23T17:08:39 -!- kow__ [~root@77.68.88.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-23T17:45:56 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.135] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T17:48:43 < Tectu> is there a dedicated chip that one can use to hook up a button to generate a regular "button press" signal and a "reset hard reset" signal whent he button is pressed for a few seconds? I can't imagine that I have to add custom analog electronics for something like that 2018-01-23T17:50:57 < jadew> you mean an IC with a transistor, a capacitor and a resistor in it? 2018-01-23T17:52:18 < Tectu> yes that 2018-01-23T17:52:34 < jadew> would be funny if it needed more external components than that 2018-01-23T17:52:59 < Tectu> nah, I am sure that there is some ASIC for that that maybe has an i2C interface to set the timeout values or something. 2018-01-23T17:53:00 < jadew> what's wrong with doing it the analog way? 2018-01-23T17:53:15 < englishman> Tectu: yes 2018-01-23T17:53:24 < Tectu> englishman, any part number you can recommend? 2018-01-23T17:53:27 < englishman> no 2018-01-23T17:53:31 < Steffanx> Lol 2018-01-23T17:53:31 < jadew> isn't that how it's done on most button controller boards? (in laptops and things like that) 2018-01-23T17:53:37 < jadew> haha 2018-01-23T17:53:41 < Steffanx> I bet they have an ic 2018-01-23T17:53:46 < Tectu> jadew, well that's why I ask: I bet they have an IC for that 2018-01-23T17:53:59 < englishman> currently using something from either microchip or maxim in this one board. i forget tbh 2018-01-23T17:54:04 < jadew> Tectu, never seen it done with a dedicated IC 2018-01-23T17:54:09 < Tectu> englishman, can you check, please? :p 2018-01-23T17:54:14 < Steffanx> I googled for ic "ic button reset" and found quiet a few 2018-01-23T17:54:16 < englishman> in a few hours yeah 2018-01-23T17:54:20 < englishman> ^ 2018-01-23T17:54:21 < Tectu> jadew, maybe you should get out of your basement sometimes :p 2018-01-23T17:54:23 < englishman> or just google 2018-01-23T17:54:23 < Tectu> j/k 2018-01-23T17:54:35 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T17:55:06 < Steffanx> But those did reset only, but why not hook u the pin to an gpio as well 2018-01-23T17:55:12 < Laurenceb> anyone know much about lunix audio? 2018-01-23T17:55:18 < Steffanx> a* 2018-01-23T17:55:24 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to use Qt to connect to muh sensors 2018-01-23T17:55:42 < Laurenceb> but Qt is showing same list of available sample rates for everything 2018-01-23T17:55:42 < Tectu> Steffanx, link/part number? 2018-01-23T17:55:48 < englishman> coming below: 12 different answers on how to use audio in lunix 2018-01-23T17:55:52 < qyx> I used qt's audio stuff once in python, it worked 2018-01-23T17:55:55 < Laurenceb> Prop: "alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo" (8000, 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000) 2018-01-23T17:56:07 < Laurenceb> that same list of speeds for everything 2018-01-23T17:56:12 < Tectu> Laurenceb, last time I dicked around with qt audio stuff there was a list of known audio issues on lunix 2018-01-23T17:56:16 < Laurenceb> its got to be wrong... 2018-01-23T17:56:19 < Laurenceb> ok 2018-01-23T17:56:37 < Laurenceb> I'll just assume the speed settings are hardcoded or read from the wrong place or something 2018-01-23T17:56:45 < Laurenceb> and ignore them :P 2018-01-23T17:56:47 < qyx> why 2018-01-23T17:56:52 < englishman> did you guys see my digikey award for being an awesome client https://i.imgur.com/ISLRzhE.jpg 2018-01-23T17:57:18 < Laurenceb> qyx: well I know for a fact that that list is wrong for some of the devices 2018-01-23T17:57:26 < Tectu> englishman, they gave you a pussy? 2018-01-23T17:57:27 < Laurenceb> and its unlikely to be the same for everything 2018-01-23T17:57:34 < englishman> even has the part number on it. PCB-RULER-ND 2018-01-23T17:57:49 < qyx> nice ruler 2018-01-23T17:57:50 < qyx> me wanna 2018-01-23T17:57:59 < Tectu> better become a good customer then, qyx 2018-01-23T17:58:41 < Laurenceb> at least it can find the devices 2018-01-23T17:59:59 < Tectu> jadew, http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps3422.pdf 2018-01-23T18:00:35 < jadew> Tectu, waste of money 2018-01-23T18:00:58 < Tectu> swiss customer 2018-01-23T18:01:06 < Laurenceb> wut the 2018-01-23T18:01:08 < Tectu> they just literally told me on the phone that they don't care whether the hardawre is 100 bucks or 200 bucks 2018-01-23T18:01:14 < Tectu> like 30 minutes ago 2018-01-23T18:01:35 < englishman> il bid 250 2018-01-23T18:01:42 < Laurenceb> what even is the point of that thing 2018-01-23T18:03:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T18:03:53 < Tectu> it reduces BOM 2018-01-23T18:04:29 < Laurenceb> ok 2018-01-23T18:04:37 < Laurenceb> arg Qt audio is making me rage 2018-01-23T18:04:47 < Laurenceb> it cant even find the number of channels 2018-01-23T18:05:05 < Laurenceb> everything seems to be stereo with standard sample rates 2018-01-23T18:05:11 < Laurenceb> almost like it hardcoded.... 2018-01-23T18:08:49 < Ultrasauce> Laurenceb: highly recommend gstreamer over phonon 2018-01-23T18:09:00 < Laurenceb> huh 2018-01-23T18:09:12 < Laurenceb> what have either of these things got to do with Qt audio? 2018-01-23T18:10:05 < Ultrasauce> the short answer is lots 2018-01-23T18:10:27 < Ultrasauce> but the long answer is don't use qt's audio stuff, use gstreamer 2018-01-23T18:10:34 < Ultrasauce> because it sucks a lot less 2018-01-23T18:10:43 < Laurenceb> heh ok 2018-01-23T18:10:50 < Laurenceb> but I need a G.U.I. 2018-01-23T18:10:59 < Laurenceb> pref not in visual basic this tiem 2018-01-23T18:11:27 < Ultrasauce> I'm not saying don't use qt's gui stuff, that part is quite good 2018-01-23T18:11:31 < Laurenceb> guess I might as well see if I can persuade Qt to work with nasty haxoring 2018-01-23T18:11:34 < Laurenceb> ok 2018-01-23T18:12:32 < qyx> cannot you use alsa directyl? 2018-01-23T18:12:42 < qyx> or gstreamer as Ultrasauce says 2018-01-23T18:12:43 < Laurenceb> I'm too n00b 2018-01-23T18:12:53 < Laurenceb> oh I can used alsa config files yes 2018-01-23T18:12:57 < Laurenceb> thats what I use atm 2018-01-23T18:13:11 < Laurenceb> write config file -> virtual device -> connect with audacity 2018-01-23T18:13:25 < Laurenceb> but oh noes we need prooooo G.U.I. 2018-01-23T18:13:27 < qyx> I dont understand you 2018-01-23T18:13:35 -!- Tectu is now known as tct 2018-01-23T18:13:43 < Laurenceb> this is a makework project 2018-01-23T18:13:51 < Laurenceb> there is little to understand tbh 2018-01-23T18:13:52 < qyx> you either mess with alsa or don't 2018-01-23T18:14:00 < qyx> if yes, use alsa libs directly 2018-01-23T18:14:14 < qyx> if no, don't touch alsa and use some higher level system instead 2018-01-23T18:14:22 < qyx> gstreamer, pulseaudio or other stuff 2018-01-23T18:14:26 < Laurenceb> I see 2018-01-23T18:14:49 < qyx> qtaudio tries to abstract all those things too and it worked for me 2018-01-23T18:14:58 < qyx> mostl 2018-01-23T18:15:11 < Laurenceb> could you see correct device properties? 2018-01-23T18:15:29 < qyx> no, it was back in 2014 2018-01-23T18:15:38 < Laurenceb> k 2018-01-23T18:19:36 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-23T18:27:10 < kikes> van you recommend NTC b value? 2018-01-23T18:29:04 < kikes> for chinasupplied pcb:s 2018-01-23T18:29:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-23T18:31:01 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-23T18:31:13 < kikes> 3435 (25/85) right? 2018-01-23T18:33:17 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.135] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T18:42:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-23T18:48:30 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-23T18:55:22 < Ultrasauce> https://sourceforge.net/p/openocd/mailman/openocd-devel/thread/270e864949d7dcbac4695d42d2b9bba5%40atx.name/#msg36188041 2018-01-23T18:59:09 < kikes> 3435 (25/85) is the right answer for ntc question by quick ebay search 2018-01-23T18:59:20 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T18:59:31 < kikes> some chinastuff at 3435 and some murata too at 3435 2018-01-23T19:01:09 < qyx> don't different ntc values have different b values? 2018-01-23T19:01:13 < qyx> ehm 2018-01-23T19:01:20 < karlp> Ultrasauce: not sure what they want people do with that honestly, 2018-01-23T19:01:37 < karlp> it's like, "I installed a remote scripting interface on my comptuer, and .... people can use it for remote scripting!" 2018-01-23T19:01:55 < qyx> for sure my 10K NTC doesnt have b=3435 2018-01-23T19:02:10 < dongs> https://github.com/atomicobject/heatshrink static version of this builds nicely on STM 2018-01-23T19:02:30 < qyx> dongs: I tried that too in the past 2018-01-23T19:02:31 < dongs> havent tried running to see how long it takes, but the stuff looks simple enough that it shouldn't be very slow 2018-01-23T19:02:35 < dongs> ya? 2018-01-23T19:02:44 < qyx> yes, but the compression ratios are meh 2018-01-23T19:02:46 < dongs> im using it to store 320x240 bitmaps for glcd 2018-01-23T19:03:17 < dongs> works for me, if you give it 2k workspace (11bit window size) it gets pretty damn close to gzip for my samples 2018-01-23T19:03:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-23T19:03:37 < dongs> like ~23k from 150k and gzip is ~18k 2018-01-23T19:04:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T19:06:23 < dongs> https://github.com/atomicobject/heatshrink/issues/35 actually this is not a bad idea 2018-01-23T19:07:20 < kikes> which one is better - clamp vdiv with zener to gnd 2018-01-23T19:07:22 < qyx> does the heatshrink need the input buffer to be full in the ram? 2018-01-23T19:07:32 < qyx> or can it process data in streams? 2018-01-23T19:07:35 < qyx> I do not remember now 2018-01-23T19:07:40 < dongs> totally streams 2018-01-23T19:07:41 < kikes> or clamp it with diode to 3v3? 2018-01-23T19:07:42 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:3991:78c4:d93:eff3] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T19:07:44 < dongs> you can push as little or as much as you want 2018-01-23T19:07:49 < dongs> and pull in as small buffers as you want 2018-01-23T19:08:07 < qyx> that was my primary requirement 2018-01-23T19:08:15 < qyx> I wanted to use it for code compression 2018-01-23T19:08:21 < qyx> for bootloader 2018-01-23T19:08:24 < dongs> heh 2018-01-23T19:08:46 < qyx> but never bothered to actually mplement it as the ratio was not good enough 2018-01-23T19:08:47 < dongs> i tihnk im gonna hack it up to use zero-copy push since it doesnt make sense to memcpy from flash just for no reason 2018-01-23T19:11:45 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-23T19:16:09 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-23T19:26:28 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T19:27:59 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqxxevskmrfjnngw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2018-01-23T19:30:46 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.160.113] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T19:30:46 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.160.113] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-23T19:30:46 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T19:31:05 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T19:41:42 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@li1059-135.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: byeeee] 2018-01-23T19:43:29 -!- tpw_rules [~tpw_rules@li1059-135.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T19:54:48 < Laurenceb> aha 2018-01-23T19:54:50 < Laurenceb> deviceInfo.preferredFormat().channelCount() 2018-01-23T19:55:08 < Laurenceb> isFormatSupported seems broken for some reason 2018-01-23T19:55:29 < Laurenceb> as it just compares against a list of formats that is always set to default, never device specific 2018-01-23T19:56:20 < Laurenceb> Device name: "alsa_input.usb-STMicroelectronics_STM32_Audio_Class_786C7304-00.multichannel-input" 2018-01-23T19:56:32 < Laurenceb> finds device serial number too, freaking sweet 2018-01-23T19:56:33 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T19:57:46 < karlp> TARGET_CFLAGS += -D_XOPEN_REALTIME=1 2018-01-23T19:57:54 < karlp> fucking bullshit 2018-01-23T19:59:42 -!- kikes [~Janne@85-23-101-251.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T20:00:21 -!- static [~quassel@193.174.69.135] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-23T20:00:37 < Laurenceb> 786C7304-00 <- presumably the 00 will incriment if I had multiple devices with same serial 2018-01-23T20:01:41 < kikes> what is the correct way to clamp automotive voltage rail measurement vdiv? 2018-01-23T20:02:01 < kikes> let's say I scale 3v3 to 44v 2018-01-23T20:02:23 < kikes> measurement doesn't need to be dead on precision 2018-01-23T20:03:01 < jpa-> diode? 2018-01-23T20:03:30 < kikes> operated both in 12v and 24v systems 2018-01-23T20:03:50 < kikes> jpa-, would you clamp down to gnd with zener? 2018-01-23T20:04:00 < jpa-> should work 2018-01-23T20:04:03 < kikes> or would you clamp up to 3v3 with diode 2018-01-23T20:04:24 < jpa-> works also 2018-01-23T20:04:30 < kikes> my concideration is with leaking currents 2018-01-23T20:05:01 < kikes> also keeping idle currents low 2018-01-23T20:05:40 < kikes> I can not have vdiv with 1mA current if the whole thing consumes 200uA in sleep 2018-01-23T20:06:14 < kikes> zener properties have not ever been completelly clear to me 2018-01-23T20:07:14 < kikes> I once build a boost regulator with just transmission line and TVS 2018-01-23T20:07:25 < upgrdman> if anyone else uses pandora and is annoyed by the hourly "are you still listening?" nagging, i made this bookmarklet and it seems to work perfectly: 2018-01-23T20:07:28 < upgrdman> javascript:(function(){window.setInterval(function(){ document.querySelectorAll('[data-qa="keep_listening_button"]')[0].click() }, 3000)})() 2018-01-23T20:07:38 < Laurenceb> blerg javascript 2018-01-23T20:07:47 < upgrdman> it looks for the button once per 3 seconds, and clicks it if it exists 2018-01-23T20:08:08 < kikes> it started oscillating or something and there was 40volts in the TVS when powered from 24V 2018-01-23T20:08:24 < kikes> also tvs melted off 2018-01-23T20:09:27 < kikes> I think runnin pwm switching in the device made it oscillate 2018-01-23T20:09:45 < kikes> that was weird stuff 2018-01-23T20:10:27 < kikes> when you have line that has voltage rise in the direction of the current 2018-01-23T20:23:37 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T20:27:34 -!- absynth [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T20:29:45 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-23T20:30:05 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-23T20:52:48 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T21:13:07 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:3991:78c4:d93:eff3] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-23T21:22:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T21:43:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T21:43:25 < stvn> good morning professional steffan 2018-01-23T21:43:36 < englishman> stvn you have to get a real irc client 2018-01-23T21:43:47 < englishman> i cannot wait for you to come online to send you kitten pictures 2018-01-23T21:44:13 < stvn> hi sir 2018-01-23T21:44:36 < Laurenceb> is there a way to see if a string contains only hex in Qt? 2018-01-23T21:44:52 < Laurenceb> like super simple built in way :P 2018-01-23T21:45:54 < Laurenceb> oh there is 2018-01-23T21:45:55 < Laurenceb> bool conversionOk = false; 2018-01-23T21:45:55 < Laurenceb> int value = myString.toInt(&conversionOk, 16); 2018-01-23T21:46:55 < stvn> thanks laurence 2018-01-23T21:48:52 < tct> pumper 2018-01-23T21:49:07 < stvn> hi sir 2018-01-23T21:49:53 < Laurenceb> Qt is pretty hawt 2018-01-23T21:50:00 < stvn> you're quite the prolific chatter 2018-01-23T21:50:07 < Laurenceb> I can find all sensors and their serial number in <30 lines 2018-01-23T21:50:09 < stvn> this log file is thicker than a telephone book 2018-01-23T21:51:56 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: pp4l] 2018-01-23T22:01:03 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-23T22:13:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T22:24:18 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T22:24:47 < FrankD> Hey, does anyone know of any projects for an Internal Combustion Engine ECU? Semi-working or fully.. 2018-01-23T22:25:35 < qyx> lastlog -clear 2018-01-23T22:33:58 < jpa-> haha, seeed's pcb cost calculator gives $4.90 for 10pcs, but $16.14 for 20pcs 2018-01-23T22:34:45 < FrankD> jpa-, lol wtf :D 2018-01-23T22:40:45 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-23T22:40:57 -!- kikes [~Janne@85-23-101-251.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-23T22:46:18 < qyx> jpa-: yep, I was curious why 2018-01-23T22:46:45 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T22:47:40 < Rob235> hurry up printerz 2018-01-23T23:00:25 < jpa-> haha, jlcpcb is even worse, $2 for 10pcs, $20 for 20pcs 2018-01-23T23:04:23 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, i dont use qt, but guessing it has regex? check for 0-9,a-f,space,x ? 2018-01-23T23:05:09 < upgrdman> and no space,x if there will never be "0x" or shit like "DE AD BE EF" 2018-01-23T23:05:37 < upgrdman> and fuck if i know how to write a regex. google will have to help you with that. 2018-01-23T23:10:10 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-23T23:11:16 < jpa-> he already found a perfectly reasonable solution :P 2018-01-23T23:11:29 < upgrdman> o 2018-01-23T23:13:50 < karlp> better even. 2018-01-23T23:14:01 < karlp> didn't summun any creatures from the depths 2018-01-23T23:14:36 < upgrdman> ethernet pros: packets i transmit have no Frame Check Sequence (it's all zeros) but I configured my MAC to "append CRC" ... is that CRC different from the FCS? 2018-01-23T23:22:27 < Steffanx> Me too 2018-01-23T23:25:14 < englishman> FrankD: plenty 2018-01-23T23:25:18 < englishman> did you want opensores 2018-01-23T23:26:19 < FrankD> englishman, yeah, was just wondering how other people approached it :D and on what engines 2018-01-23T23:26:54 < FrankD> especially since the ECUs in my cars run STM8s (yuck) :D 2018-01-23T23:26:58 < englishman> really 2018-01-23T23:26:59 < englishman> ? 2018-01-23T23:27:01 < englishman> cool 2018-01-23T23:27:06 < englishman> stm8 is awesome 2018-01-23T23:27:18 < FrankD> yea, STM8s in Bosch ECUs 2018-01-23T23:27:19 < englishman> must be an old car / tbi injection? with spark control? 2018-01-23T23:27:20 < FrankD> up to 7.5 i think 2018-01-23T23:27:21 < englishman> really 2018-01-23T23:27:30 < FrankD> yeah, my '04 A6 is definitely STM8 2018-01-23T23:27:40 < englishman> oh 2018-01-23T23:27:43 < FrankD> and uses a big ol 512kB or 1024kB Atmel flash chip 2018-01-23T23:27:44 < englishman> there might be an stm8 insure 2018-01-23T23:27:46 < englishman> insude 2018-01-23T23:27:54 < englishman> but it is definitely not the main cpu 2018-01-23T23:27:57 < FrankD> yes, it is 2018-01-23T23:28:10 < englishman> beep sync 2018-01-23T23:28:24 < FrankD> want a flash bin for it? 2018-01-23T23:28:32 < FrankD> you can see it, all the ECU code.. STM8.. :D 2018-01-23T23:28:43 < sync> which engine code FrankD? 2018-01-23T23:28:57 < englishman> 04 is already 1.8t era 2018-01-23T23:29:07 < englishman> coilpacks 2018-01-23T23:29:11 < FrankD> sync, BEL 2.7T, but it has S4 K04 turbos 2018-01-23T23:29:17 < FrankD> englishman, yep 2018-01-23T23:29:49 < sync> BEL? wut 2018-01-23T23:30:07 < FrankD> sync, US engine codes are different than EU 2018-01-23T23:30:08 < FrankD> itd be an uhh 2018-01-23T23:30:31 < FrankD> AJK i think 2018-01-23T23:30:39 < FrankD> or one of a few others.. maybe AER 2018-01-23T23:30:46 < sync> ah 2018-01-23T23:30:53 < sync> so it is a ME7.1.1 2018-01-23T23:30:58 < FrankD> yes 2018-01-23T23:31:17 < FrankD> ME7.1 in 97-02, 7.1.1 03-04 2018-01-23T23:33:01 < FrankD> ah 7.1.1 might be ST10 2018-01-23T23:33:18 < englishman> that sounds more correct 2018-01-23T23:33:26 < sync> I don't think that this is stm8 2018-01-23T23:33:27 < sync> yeah 2018-01-23T23:33:36 < sync> it is ST10F275 iirc 2018-01-23T23:34:27 < sync> hm not sure what changed from ME7.1 to ME7.1.1 2018-01-23T23:34:32 < sync> because ME7 is C167 2018-01-23T23:35:13 < FrankD> not sure 2018-01-23T23:35:27 < sync> yes ME7.1.1 is C167 as well 2018-01-23T23:35:33 < sync> huge asshole of a cpu 2018-01-23T23:35:38 < FrankD> i'd like to design a general purpose ECU.. and then modularize it so it could talk CAN to the rest of the car and be dropped into say... my A6 :D 2018-01-23T23:36:19 < sync> well, a OEM grade ecu is fully data driven and has a complete engine simulation with lookup tables 2018-01-23T23:36:48 < FrankD> yeah im somewhat familiar with the tables and tuning them 2018-01-23T23:36:50 < sync> if you only want it to work acceptably VE "works" 2018-01-23T23:38:26 < FrankD> a full MAF system 2018-01-23T23:38:27 < sync> well then just use the ME7 2018-01-23T23:38:33 < sync> it is actually not too bad 2018-01-23T23:38:54 < FrankD> no alpha-n or speed density :D 2018-01-23T23:39:03 < sync> yeah but who wants that 2018-01-23T23:39:07 < sync> that is a huge downgrade 2018-01-23T23:39:38 < FrankD> exactly 2018-01-23T23:41:08 < sync> just get yourself a funktionsrahmen and implement all the important bits 2018-01-23T23:47:24 < FrankD> yerch german :D 2018-01-23T23:47:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c8ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-23T23:55:48 < sync> Wo ist das Problem mit Deutsch? --- Day changed Wed Jan 24 2018 2018-01-24T00:01:35 * Steffanx lacht laut. 2018-01-24T00:10:39 < sync> Sehr gut. 2018-01-24T00:10:41 < sync> :) 2018-01-24T00:12:27 -!- FrankD_ [~FrankD@cpe-24-161-22-159.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T00:12:27 -!- FrankD_ [~FrankD@cpe-24-161-22-159.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-24T00:12:27 -!- FrankD_ [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T00:12:36 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2018-01-24T00:12:40 -!- FrankD_ is now known as FrankD 2018-01-24T00:12:49 < FrankD> urgh 2018-01-24T00:12:53 < FrankD> pos modem 2018-01-24T00:12:54 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T00:15:01 < MrMobius> ich habe meinen Duddelsack verloren :( 2018-01-24T00:16:33 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-24T00:16:33 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-24T00:18:53 < tct> happens to me all the time as well 2018-01-24T00:25:10 < BrainDamage> mein hovercraft ist voller aale 2018-01-24T00:25:26 < sync> > hovercraft 2018-01-24T00:25:30 < sync> Luftkissenboot! 2018-01-24T00:26:03 < BrainDamage> last time i spoke german was ~10 years ago 2018-01-24T00:27:54 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-24T00:29:23 < sync> Deutsch ist wie Fahrradfahren 2018-01-24T00:29:26 < sync> Das verlernt man nicht! 2018-01-24T00:29:51 < englishman> Mein Bleistift ist voller Blei 2018-01-24T00:30:11 < MrMobius> Das maedchen hat viel Holz vor der Hutte 2018-01-24T00:31:33 < tct> oh boy... 2018-01-24T00:33:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-c8ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-24T00:35:19 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T00:41:53 < Steffanx> MrMobius must be from some german enclave in yankeeland 2018-01-24T00:42:38 < MrMobius> that would be Pennsylvania 2018-01-24T00:42:45 < MrMobius> thats were I thought you were from Steffanx 2018-01-24T00:43:18 < Steffanx> Nein mein freuns 2018-01-24T00:43:21 < Steffanx> D 2018-01-24T00:43:55 < Steffanx> Dutchland is in europe, next to germany 2018-01-24T00:44:03 < MrMobius> well one of them is 2018-01-24T00:44:13 < Steffanx> Aka der Niederlande 2018-01-24T00:44:15 < BrainDamage> most of the channel is actually eurofags, sorry 2018-01-24T00:45:13 < tct> I am pro german 2018-01-24T00:45:16 < tct> true german blood 2018-01-24T00:45:21 < Steffanx> And french 2018-01-24T00:45:25 < Steffanx> Bleh 2018-01-24T00:45:27 < tct> no 2018-01-24T00:45:39 < tct> true germans have the gold in their basement 2018-01-24T00:45:43 < Steffanx> Non? 2018-01-24T00:45:46 < tct> sync ain't no true german 2018-01-24T00:47:15 < MrMobius> even true germans arent true german 2018-01-24T00:50:39 < tct> so the swiss government decided that they have enough money. they changed the VAT from 8% to 7.7% 2018-01-24T00:51:09 < Steffanx> Swissers will die. 2018-01-24T00:51:19 < BrainDamage> swimmers* 2018-01-24T00:51:32 < Steffanx> I bet they will raise other taxes 2018-01-24T00:51:59 < MrMobius> did they elect a republican? 2018-01-24T00:52:25 < Steffanx> Swissers only sky, they dont swim. Or is that why theyll die, BrainDamage ? 2018-01-24T00:52:29 < Steffanx> Ski 2018-01-24T00:52:37 < Steffanx> Whatever 2018-01-24T00:52:42 < tct> we don't do republicans, MrMobius 2018-01-24T00:52:46 < tct> we only do sane people 2018-01-24T00:53:17 < BrainDamage> MrMobius: for the rest of the world, usa doesn't have left or right, you guys have extreme right and slightly less extreme right 2018-01-24T00:54:21 < MrMobius> strange 2018-01-24T00:54:24 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: ofc you can swim in lakes 2018-01-24T00:54:40 < MrMobius> swissland was full of farmers when i was there. a lot of those reliably vote republican here 2018-01-24T00:54:57 -!- absynth [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-24T00:55:13 < sync> tct: you have no proof that I don't have gold in my cellar 2018-01-24T00:55:35 < tct> sync, of course I do, because it's all in mine :p 2018-01-24T00:55:37 < Steffanx> He does. Swissers took all gold. 2018-01-24T00:55:37 < BrainDamage> switzerland is much more bigot and conservative than rest of europe, and still doesn't get to the same levels of usa 2018-01-24T00:55:48 < tct> BrainDamage, lol 2018-01-24T00:55:56 < tct> Steffanx, we didn't take it. they gave it to us. 2018-01-24T00:56:06 < BrainDamage> but you decided to keep it 2018-01-24T00:56:13 < tct> we just refused to give it back because they didn't bring the necessary paperwork 2018-01-24T00:56:30 < Steffanx> Lies. 2018-01-24T00:56:35 < tct> it's like loosing your valet coupon 2018-01-24T00:56:53 < tct> you ain't got no car with no number bro 2018-01-24T00:57:00 < Steffanx> Why the EU still didnt invade swisserland yet? 2018-01-24T00:57:11 < tct> because they are afraid 2018-01-24T00:57:25 < tct> and mainly because they are busy dealing with their own problems ;p 2018-01-24T00:57:31 < Steffanx> Drop so many bombs that swisserland will become as flat as dutchland 2018-01-24T00:57:46 < BrainDamage> why would they invade switzerland 2018-01-24T00:57:47 < sync> ^ 2018-01-24T00:57:47 < tct> don't nuke the particle accelerator 2018-01-24T00:57:57 < sync> well the cern is deep enough 2018-01-24T00:58:05 < tct> you don't know bombs then :p 2018-01-24T00:58:09 < sync> we'll just flatten the rest of the alps 2018-01-24T00:58:17 < tct> I'd prefer if you wouldn't do that 2018-01-24T00:58:26 < tct> I should build a fort 2018-01-24T00:58:27 < tct> out of gold 2018-01-24T00:58:36 < tct> no girls allowed 2018-01-24T00:58:47 < BrainDamage> what's the point of the fort then 2018-01-24T00:59:15 < tct> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 2018-01-24T00:59:29 < BrainDamage> ah ok, so you swing the other way 2018-01-24T00:59:31 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, to get our gold back. Show the rest of the world how we deal with those infidels 2018-01-24T01:01:40 < Steffanx> I better send tct a Steffanx care package. Better start prepping, tct 2018-01-24T01:01:53 < Thorn> swiss musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7CjwRaMnJU 2018-01-24T01:02:30 < tct> austrian musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUO9SNCBL6U 2018-01-24T01:03:09 < BrainDamage> actual swiss music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwlsDpEhZU 2018-01-24T01:03:09 < Thorn> at least it wasn't Falco 2018-01-24T01:03:26 < sync> well if the alps are flat climbing the "mountains" is easier 2018-01-24T01:05:27 < tct> staph BrainDamage 2018-01-24T01:05:51 < tct> that yodelfest actually was in my city in 2017 2018-01-24T01:07:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T01:07:24 < Laurenceb_> what the actual fudge 2018-01-24T01:07:34 < Laurenceb_> >suddenly amerimutts everwhere 2018-01-24T01:07:38 < Laurenceb_> what is going on 2018-01-24T01:07:52 < Laurenceb_> I must have passed about 20 just going to shops 2018-01-24T01:08:16 < Laurenceb_> literally 56% 2018-01-24T01:08:27 < BrainDamage> threatening to ruin centuries of well practiced imbreeding 2018-01-24T01:08:37 < Laurenceb_> kek 2018-01-24T01:09:02 < Laurenceb_> murimutt grrrl was talking to local grrrl at supermarket checkout 2018-01-24T01:09:19 < Laurenceb_> Murican>I've been working in Dubai 2018-01-24T01:09:19 < MrMobius> swiss are natural doomsday preppers. everyone is issued a gun 2018-01-24T01:09:40 < Laurenceb_> UK> oh that sounds sunny, I could wear my bikini all day 2018-01-24T01:09:49 < Laurenceb_> Murican>.... that would be a bad idea 2018-01-24T01:09:55 < Laurenceb_> irl lolld 2018-01-24T01:10:40 < Laurenceb_> I'm guessing some plane from Dubai landed and was full of muricans, somehow they ended up in my neighbourhood 2018-01-24T01:10:42 < MrMobius> its hard for us to understand that there are dumb people in the uk 2018-01-24T01:10:52 < MrMobius> when we hear the accent we immediately assume you are intelligent 2018-01-24T01:11:20 < Laurenceb_> unless you know its me talking 2018-01-24T01:20:43 < upgrdman> whats the word for a Map that can map a key to >1 value? 2018-01-24T01:21:49 < Thorn> multimap 2018-01-24T01:22:35 < upgrdman> thx 2018-01-24T01:28:15 -!- jv [jv@pilsedu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T01:28:21 < jv> Greetings :) 2018-01-24T01:37:54 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-24T01:38:19 < Laurenceb_> Yankee go home 2018-01-24T01:38:50 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk 2018-01-24T01:38:57 < Laurenceb_> shit I'm on youtube already 2018-01-24T01:39:34 < BrainDamage> ofc you are https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S7KujrsUB1w#t=4884 2018-01-24T01:40:21 < Laurenceb_> >Howaito Piggus 2018-01-24T01:40:24 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2018-01-24T01:40:38 < Laurenceb_> oi das secret 2018-01-24T01:40:44 < Laurenceb_> totally not me 2018-01-24T01:41:17 < Laurenceb_> lul is eroomde picking his nose 2018-01-24T02:10:07 < Laurenceb_> I should write up my hyperloop redesign 2018-01-24T02:10:12 < Laurenceb_> another neat presentation 2018-01-24T02:45:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-24T02:46:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T02:58:51 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2018-01-24T03:05:33 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-24T03:07:02 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-24T03:09:44 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2018-01-24T03:10:17 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T03:12:27 * Laurenceb_ is reading the hyperloop white paper 2018-01-24T03:12:31 < Laurenceb_> this shit is dire 2018-01-24T03:13:36 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T03:15:25 < dongs> get a job 2018-01-24T03:27:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-24T03:27:33 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-24T03:31:02 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T03:39:00 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysKhbaLyIFw 2018-01-24T03:41:35 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/DIImM 2018-01-24T03:59:13 < branjb> no PCB channel on twitch 2018-01-24T04:00:29 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T04:03:01 < branjb> upgrdman should start one 2018-01-24T04:03:28 < dongs> i have one 2018-01-24T04:05:00 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T04:11:13 < upgrdman> branjb, start one what 2018-01-24T04:46:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-24T04:49:02 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T05:08:50 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/GbFRw72 2018-01-24T05:22:12 < aandrew> yeah, stupid. 2018-01-24T05:24:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T05:34:00 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/72iIUka.gifv 2018-01-24T05:58:31 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2018-01-24T09:40:21 < day> R2COM: how is that better than a resistor divider + 3v3 zener? 2018-01-24T09:40:31 < zyp> high input impedance 2018-01-24T09:40:41 < kikes> I have read documents that say there is transients all way to 75volts in 12v car 2018-01-24T09:41:01 < kikes> so how much there is in 24v lorry truck? 2018-01-24T09:41:27 < kikes> yeah 2018-01-24T09:42:05 < kikes> sole purpose of the voltage measurement is to detect undervoltage and overvoltage 2018-01-24T09:43:02 < kikes> how would you place that zener with your opamp? 2018-01-24T09:43:15 < kikes> are you saying you would clamp the whole voltage rail? 2018-01-24T09:43:18 < zyp> but still, you don't really need 12V to the opamp 2018-01-24T09:43:28 < kikes> yes 2018-01-24T09:43:30 < day> infront of the opamp input and behind a resistor would be my guess 2018-01-24T09:43:57 < kikes> I don't really see the point of having opamp 2018-01-24T09:44:21 < day> me neither. at least not for such a slow task 2018-01-24T09:45:09 -!- kOStiX [~kOStiX@fixed-187-188-8-166.totalplay.net] has quit [] 2018-01-24T09:45:40 < kikes> you say you would actually clamp the whole rail? 2018-01-24T09:46:03 < kikes> that is like proper but 2018-01-24T09:46:18 < kikes> not an solution for this product 2018-01-24T09:46:31 < day> yeah thats a task on its own 2018-01-24T09:47:00 < kikes> 30V is not to be concidered as overvoltage 2018-01-24T09:47:06 < kikes> but maybe 35 or so would be 2018-01-24T09:48:28 < kikes> there is no need for absolute overvoltage value 2018-01-24T09:49:14 < kikes> inform 2018-01-24T09:49:23 < kikes> christ 2018-01-24T09:49:40 < kikes> there will be no boost-bucks and opamps in this one 2018-01-24T09:50:17 < kikes> there is absolutelly nothing in this desing and that would double the components of the design 2018-01-24T09:50:34 < day> then again, what are you going to do with the info? You could, with less effort, simply clamp the voltage to the desired max 2018-01-24T09:51:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T09:52:24 < kikes> yes an mcu and regulator for it 2018-01-24T09:52:29 < kikes> and a switch 2018-01-24T09:52:38 < kikes> and connector to external senson 2018-01-24T09:54:50 < kikes> let me see competitors product.. *looksatit* ... Nope! 2018-01-24T09:55:02 < kikes> and also underoltage 2018-01-24T09:55:26 < kikes> there will be no 5v supplys 2018-01-24T09:56:53 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-24T09:57:31 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T10:02:51 < kikes> I need a setup to take photos of pcbs 2018-01-24T10:02:58 < kikes> recommds? 2018-01-24T10:03:03 < day> scanner 2018-01-24T10:03:14 < kikes> populated pcbs 2018-01-24T10:03:25 < kikes> nice idea btw day 2018-01-24T10:03:47 < day> works well for when you need exact drill measurements :) 2018-01-24T10:04:36 < day> there are scanners with more dof. but they are hard to find (because noone is testing dof on a scanner) 2018-01-24T10:04:36 < kikes> nic 2018-01-24T10:05:16 < kikes> I need this point and shoot thing.. maybe a dslr with a macro lens 2018-01-24T10:05:56 < day> you want to be as far away as possible to get as little distortion as possible i think 2018-01-24T10:06:02 < kikes> okay 2018-01-24T10:06:25 < kikes> so dslr with long tele 2018-01-24T10:06:46 < day> i think that is the best mcgyver solution yeah 2018-01-24T10:07:21 < kikes> in a room where ventilation is stopped for taking photos 2018-01-24T10:07:46 < kikes> also high intensity lights 2018-01-24T10:08:31 < kikes> I wonder if there is this arm thing for dslr that I could pop it up when I don't need it and pull it down when I do 2018-01-24T10:08:43 < day> polfilter might also be a good idea. never tried one, but the reflections can be annoying 2018-01-24T10:10:26 < kikes> true 2018-01-24T10:10:38 < kikes> but you need to adjust tahat 2018-01-24T10:10:40 < kikes> that 2018-01-24T10:10:42 < kikes> or the lights 2018-01-24T10:10:44 < kikes> or both 2018-01-24T10:10:58 < kikes> it's not install and forget 2018-01-24T10:14:53 < kikes> I have this cloudy silicone stuff on top of competitors products board 2018-01-24T10:15:06 < kikes> how to get this annoying stuff off? 2018-01-24T10:15:48 < c10ud> does any of you have a chinese forwarder for EU? 2018-01-24T10:16:04 < kikes> ? 2018-01-24T10:16:14 < kikes> forwarder? 2018-01-24T10:16:26 < kikes> you mean this shipping thing? 2018-01-24T10:16:33 < c10ud> i need to ship 180kg from shenzen to italy, that's the term the chinese used 2018-01-24T10:18:01 < c10ud> he says dhl/fedex will fuck me hard with $$ 2018-01-24T10:19:57 < day> your seller doesnt happen to know one? 2018-01-24T10:21:17 < day> 5kg from germany to canada via DHL cost ~39eur. i cant imagine what 180kg are going to cost. :') 2018-01-24T10:24:14 < kikes> what are you getting 180kg of? 2018-01-24T10:27:33 < zyp> kikes, what sort of photos? 2018-01-24T10:28:18 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/XJfyF.JPG <- macro is especially good if you need to document your ghetto repairs 2018-01-24T10:28:21 < kikes> like teardown stuff when I open shiet and want to document it 2018-01-24T10:28:34 < kikes> before I take it totally to pieces 2018-01-24T10:28:48 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3QJ4w.JPG <- or when you made a sculpture 2018-01-24T10:30:36 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T10:31:54 < zyp> I don't have a lot of top down photos of stuff 2018-01-24T10:31:56 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/bUzAZ.JPG 2018-01-24T10:32:26 < zyp> but a macro lens will do that too 2018-01-24T10:32:49 < zyp> I have the Canon EF-S 60mm macro 2018-01-24T10:33:14 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-24T10:34:02 < zyp> but you don't need macro for whole-board pictures 2018-01-24T10:35:39 < zyp> macro is just the capability to focus at stuff really close, 1:1 macro means you can fill the image with a subject the same size as the image sensor 2018-01-24T10:40:40 < zyp> my standard lens can apparently do 1:5.9, which means that you get about "six times closer" with a macro lens 2018-01-24T10:40:55 < zyp> can get* 2018-01-24T10:41:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T10:46:07 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T10:46:18 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-24T10:54:29 < jsoft> Fuck yeah, Finally found out what was causing some RX bugs. OCRCE needed to be cleared. 2018-01-24T10:57:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T10:58:12 < jsoft> crt, there was something I was going to ask you 2018-01-24T10:58:21 < jsoft> but alas, you elaev 2018-01-24T11:03:10 < Steffanx> Hah good luck with that 2018-01-24T11:17:32 < qyx> zyp: whats that qfn near the 32L052 2018-01-24T11:17:43 < dongs> ttps://github.com/prenaux/ham fucking WHY 2018-01-24T11:17:44 < zyp> ST95HF 2018-01-24T11:18:21 < dongs> sometimes I think there should be a limit of how much opensores you can do before you go to jail 2018-01-24T11:24:35 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-24T11:25:27 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T11:32:02 < jpa-> dongs: but it has emacs and everything 2018-01-24T11:35:01 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T11:36:26 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-24T11:39:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T12:09:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-24T12:32:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T12:32:48 < stvn> hey dad 2018-01-24T12:45:33 < karlp> jsoft: what part are you working on? 2018-01-24T12:49:14 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2018-01-24T12:51:22 < zyp> karlp, say, if I wanted an off the shelf energy meter with all sorts of readouts for testing stuff, preferably something that could work in both single-phase, delta and wye setups, do you know anything in particular you could recommend? 2018-01-24T12:51:26 < zyp> also cheap 2018-01-24T12:52:05 < zyp> a google search found me the SDM630 with modbus, around $78 2018-01-24T12:56:04 < karlp> yeah, that will work 2018-01-24T12:56:14 < karlp> I think I have one of their devices under an OEM label here. 2018-01-24T12:56:34 < karlp> you might get a little cheaper than that, but not a lot. 2018-01-24T12:56:49 < karlp> just make sure you have either CTs appropriate for it, or a direct connect version. 2018-01-24T12:57:22 < karlp> pretty sure everyone that's ever come across my desk does single/three phase, delta/wye , never seen any that didn't 2018-01-24T12:58:32 < karlp> only differences you'll see are things like whether they measure harmonics or not, and all the extra shit you normally don't care about like IO contorlled twin tarrif counting and that sort of shit 2018-01-24T12:59:54 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T13:00:17 < karlp> recognise this? https://www.innon.com/collections/digital-power-meters/products/smm-smartrail-x835-100-mid 2018-01-24T13:01:40 < karlp> the rayleigh instruments ones are meant to be pretty cheap too: http://www.rayleigh.com/multifunction-meters.html?a_communication=49 2018-01-24T13:02:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-24T13:03:34 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-24T13:05:37 < karlp> oh yeah, that eastron one, or at least the OEM one I have, provides cos phi only, not "distortion power factor" or the proper VxI product. 2018-01-24T13:05:45 < karlp> (if that matters to you) 2018-01-24T13:06:10 < karlp> there's a few that do this, some provide both, some provide only one, and the term they use in their register maps is often rather interchangeable 2018-01-24T13:07:04 < karlp> oh yeah, and the documented serial number registers just contain zero. apparentlyt that's coming in a later firmware version. 2018-01-24T13:07:05 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-24T13:07:52 < karlp> tl;dr: it's not my favourite meter, but it's totally reasonable. 2018-01-24T13:08:31 < karlp> carlo gavazzi em21 /em24 devices should be really cheap too? 2018-01-24T13:21:05 < zyp> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean by "distortion power factor" and VxI product, is this something different from the VA and VAr readings? 2018-01-24T13:24:02 < zyp> also THD readings 2018-01-24T13:26:23 < jsoft> karlp, STM32L031 something something 2018-01-24T13:27:35 < karlp> well, you can get vector power factor, from VA / watts, and you can get "displacement" factor from cos phi, 2018-01-24T13:27:45 < karlp> and for sinusoidal loads they're the same. 2018-01-24T13:28:25 < karlp> so, depending on how it does it's calculations internally, watt/var might be only based on cos phi, or might be based on doing proper vector products. 2018-01-24T13:29:26 < karlp> and the MID directive doesn't cover this, you can be a MID meter and still be pretty shit IMO. 2018-01-24T13:30:02 < karlp> MIDs mostly about tamper evidence and having a screen a a pulse output for utility meters, it's being horribly misapplied to sub meters as some sort of pseudo badge of accuracy 2018-01-24T13:30:28 < zyp> http://www.eastrongroup.com/data/uploads/Eastron_SDM630-Modbus_protocol_V1_5.pdf <- the list of parameters here is pretty long 2018-01-24T13:31:43 < karlp> jsoft: what bit are you talking about? OCRCE? in what register? 2018-01-24T13:32:59 < jsoft> LPUART1->ICR 2018-01-24T13:33:20 < jsoft> and it's OCRCF bit 2018-01-24T13:33:29 < karlp> ah, this was a problem on lpuart only wasn it't? 2018-01-24T13:33:29 < jsoft> bit 3 2018-01-24T13:33:33 < jsoft> yeah 2018-01-24T13:33:42 < karlp> zyp: that looks better than the OEM one I have actually, 2018-01-24T13:34:21 < karlp> that's actually not really many registers at all. 2018-01-24T13:35:17 < zyp> heh 2018-01-24T13:35:51 < karlp> it will probably do everything you need it to. 2018-01-24T13:37:05 < zyp> I was mostly just thinking about hooking it in series with the one I built myself to sanity check the outputs 2018-01-24T13:38:48 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/jAB7U.jpg <- I've had the pcb for quite a while, just haven't found time to do anything about it yet 2018-01-24T13:39:04 < karlp> https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Intelligent-Digital-Display-Three-phase-Multi-function-Network-Power-Meter/262564093648?epid=1783126575&hash=item3d220a1ed0:g:6BQAAOSwKE9ZwLMV looks cheap :) 2018-01-24T13:39:25 < karlp> did you end up with one of the atmel parts for the meter? 2018-01-24T13:39:30 * karlp doesn't remember 2018-01-24T13:39:36 < zyp> yes 2018-01-24T13:40:00 < jsoft> Hmm. 2018-01-24T13:40:11 < zyp> I got a box with the pth parts for that board too, just need to assemble it 2018-01-24T13:40:40 < zyp> ordered CTs and FFC yesterday, so when that arrives, I should have everything I need to wire it up and talk to it 2018-01-24T13:50:57 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-24T13:56:23 < karlp> jsoft: so, that still doesn't explain _why_ you were getting overruns? 2018-01-24T13:56:48 < jsoft> karlp, Yeah I dunno. 2018-01-24T13:56:53 < dongs> i tried to run F302 USART in polling mode, it would overrun at any baudrate 2018-01-24T13:56:58 < dongs> on RX 2018-01-24T13:57:10 < dongs> receive one char, overrun 2018-01-24T13:57:12 < dongs> failure. 2018-01-24T13:57:22 < dongs> switched RX to IRQ< no problem 2018-01-24T14:08:14 < Thorn> why can they fit 5 UARTs with no FIFOs on a chip but can't do e.g. 4 UARTs with FIFOs? 2018-01-24T14:11:39 < qyx> fifos are overrated 2018-01-24T14:15:31 < qyx> jsoft: btw what bitrate are you using? 2018-01-24T14:15:37 < jsoft> 56700 2018-01-24T14:15:44 < qyx> isnt it much for lpuart? 2018-01-24T14:15:48 < jsoft> nah 2018-01-24T14:15:55 < qyx> arent you running it from the lse? 2018-01-24T14:16:00 < jsoft> msi 2018-01-24T14:16:19 < qyx> calibrated from lse, 2018-01-24T14:16:31 < qyx> or punk style with 1% or so? 2018-01-24T14:16:36 < jsoft> punk styles 2018-01-24T14:17:17 < qyx> but it should not cause overrun 2018-01-24T14:18:22 < jsoft> I dunno, I need to put a logic probe on there and see what's up. It does not happen except in weird situations in which I dont car about the data anyway, only the rx later on.. which was being halted due to the overrunn flag 2018-01-24T14:38:15 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T15:01:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-24T15:07:31 < karlp> jsoft: so, you were just ignoring data on it, then when you actually started to use it, you didn't clear any existing flags? 2018-01-24T15:07:35 < karlp> that just sounds like user error 2018-01-24T15:13:01 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.160.113] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T15:13:01 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.27.160.113] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-24T15:13:01 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T15:20:19 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-24T15:20:59 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T15:21:19 < kikes> have anyone played with infineon high-side smart switches? 2018-01-24T15:25:51 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-24T15:44:25 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2018-01-24T15:52:42 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T15:57:24 < karlp> whee, tiny: http://www.eenewseurope.com/news/ldo-regulator-ic-targets-iot-applications?news_id=101968 2018-01-24T15:57:34 < karlp> and still only 50c in singles 2018-01-24T15:57:56 -!- Emil [emil@emil.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T15:58:55 < dongs> http://www.eenewseurope.com/news/st-workers-could-disrupt-ic-production 2018-01-24T16:06:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T16:06:44 < dongs> judew, do you use vs2017 2018-01-24T16:06:59 < jadew> rarely, but yeah 2018-01-24T16:07:15 < dongs> ive got a weird fucking shit happenign on 2 different machines so it cant be just me 2018-01-24T16:07:18 < jadew> I have some extensions for 2015 and I didn't want to get another license for 2017 2018-01-24T16:07:29 < dongs> it sometimes locks up after typing 1st character and cant do anything but taskkill it 2018-01-24T16:07:56 < jadew> intellisense gone wrong? 2018-01-24T16:08:00 < Emil> Do packages gcc-arm-none-eabi, libnewlib-arm-none-eabi binutils-arm-none-eabi and openocd already provide register headers for stm32? If not, where should I get those with least trouble? How about startupcode? 2018-01-24T16:08:10 < jadew> I had vs 2015 act weird the last couple of days too 2018-01-24T16:08:14 < dongs> emil, stdperiphlib/cube 2018-01-24T16:08:16 < jadew> but then again, the entire system seems a bit unstable 2018-01-24T16:08:26 < dongs> jadew: cant be intellisense, same shit happens on different machines 2018-01-24T16:08:48 < jadew> dongs, if it's the same version, it could be 2018-01-24T16:08:50 < dongs> i suppose i should acutally try and debug it next time it crashes 2018-01-24T16:08:53 < dongs> tosee what hte fuck is up 2018-01-24T16:09:00 < Emil> dongs: is there no easeier way than than to download cube, extract the headers and place them where I want? 2018-01-24T16:09:03 < dongs> and it just did 2018-01-24T16:09:03 < dongs> yay 2018-01-24T16:09:11 < dongs> Emil: correct. 2018-01-24T16:09:25 < Emil> damn 2018-01-24T16:12:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T16:12:36 < Emil> How about, anyone know if the newlib from repos is "broken" and requires compiling with specific flags as mentioned here https://balau82.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/using-newlib-in-arm-bare-metal-programs/ 2018-01-24T16:12:42 < Emil> specifically: --disable-newlib-supplied-syscalls 2018-01-24T16:14:08 < Emil> or hmm, if I don't use newlib code I don't need to use it. Just copying the startup and register defs from cuber should be enough 2018-01-24T16:14:53 < karlp> a) look at the date on that blog post 2018-01-24T16:15:35 < Emil> karlp: if you have newer information please share 2018-01-24T16:18:23 < dongs> i dont use jewlib 2018-01-24T16:18:30 < dongs> keil microlib >>>>>>>>>> anything gnu 2018-01-24T16:18:34 < dongs> way smaller and actually works 2018-01-24T16:18:38 < dongs> and doesnt require shit like _sbrk etc 2018-01-24T16:18:41 < dongs> fucking insanity 2018-01-24T16:18:53 < kikes> what zener value you use for 3V3 rail? 2018-01-24T16:18:59 < dongs> 3.3V 2018-01-24T16:19:19 < kikes> regulated 3v3 line* 2018-01-24T16:19:21 < Emil> dongs: keil is winshit only 2018-01-24T16:19:29 < kikes> just for clamping the clamps 2018-01-24T16:19:41 < dongs> emil, thankfully you are correct 2018-01-24T16:20:14 < karlp> Emil: in other words, I'd test it before I went hacking things up based on 7 year old blog posts. 2018-01-24T16:20:35 < karlp> that's talking about code sourcery builds of toolchains too. 2018-01-24T16:21:05 < karlp> I've no idea what your packages actually pull down, I recommend using the toolchains that come from arm: https://developer.arm.com/open-source/gnu-toolchain/gnu-rm 2018-01-24T16:21:20 < karlp> if you want to go and verify whether your distro packaging is up to par or not, that's on you 2018-01-24T16:29:47 -!- polygon [54ec17cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.236.23.207] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T16:29:52 < polygon> hi 2018-01-24T16:29:55 < karlp> that bloger isn't even targetting cortex-m 2018-01-24T16:30:02 < polygon> sup dudes 2018-01-24T16:30:31 < karlp> tha sky 2018-01-24T16:31:27 < polygon> i am switching from atmega168pa to STM32F373CCT6TR 2018-01-24T16:31:37 < dongs> pretty specific choice 2018-01-24T16:31:38 < qyx> it will be hard 2018-01-24T16:32:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T16:34:01 < polygon> qyx: i did code on x86 asm and c too 2018-01-24T16:34:24 < dongs> why would anyone do asm on cortex-m in 2018 2018-01-24T16:34:34 < aandrew> dongs: I did 2018-01-24T16:34:35 < polygon> im fine with C 2018-01-24T16:34:45 < aandrew> dongs: a very small amt, but necessary for ISR for bootloader 2018-01-24T16:34:51 < dongs> nope 2018-01-24T16:34:53 < aandrew> since M0+ does not have remappable vector table 2018-01-24T16:34:58 < dongs> o that. 2018-01-24T16:35:03 < dongs> i think zyp has some C++ hax for that. 2018-01-24T16:35:06 < aandrew> like I said, very small amount :-) 2018-01-24T16:35:09 < qyx> still possible to copy vectors without asm, no? 2018-01-24T16:35:28 < aandrew> let me pull it up, moment 2018-01-24T16:35:28 < polygon> brought some read Some functional logic in C's macro (gcc) lazycode https://pastebin.com/v1wEu4Xd Macro Magic in C (gcc), functional logic, polymorphism https://pastebin.com/z0sw6hK7 foreach() array in C ;) (gcc) https://pastebin.com/B0DBzNYp Si/IEC prefixes printf(value) and symbol in C https://pastebin.com/eEX68wt9 C point and vector structs/types https://pastebin.com/Vb1XLszP 2018-01-24T16:35:29 < qyx> you can remap ram to 0x0 instead of remapping vectors to ram 2018-01-24T16:35:58 < polygon> do you gcc, llvm or other? 2018-01-24T16:36:05 < dongs> keil 4 lyfe 2018-01-24T16:37:20 < qyx> wut is that code 2018-01-24T16:37:25 < qyx> looks like Laurenceb's 2018-01-24T16:37:36 < qyx> much math and not even c 2018-01-24T16:37:50 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/A2TWS1N7 2018-01-24T16:38:15 < polygon> good thing that logic is typeless 2018-01-24T16:38:34 < dongs> < polygon> functional logic 2018-01-24T16:38:41 < dongs> all i see is a bunch of nonfunctional logic 2018-01-24T16:38:44 < dongs> and unreadable to 2018-01-24T16:39:05 < Laurenceb> all I see are ungrateful cunts 2018-01-24T16:39:12 < aandrew> pastebin didn't take tabs correctly but you can look beyond that if you wanted 2018-01-24T16:39:17 < qyx> Laurenceb: sry 2018-01-24T16:39:32 < aandrew> anyway, it's small, it's functional and it's pretty much the only asm I've had to write for Cortex 2018-01-24T16:39:57 < polygon> Laurenceb: i see they don't like your code 2018-01-24T16:39:57 < qyx> is it basically an isr proxy? 2018-01-24T16:40:05 < aandrew> polygon: heh, macro abuse in C 2018-01-24T16:40:06 < aandrew> gotta love it 2018-01-24T16:40:26 < aandrew> https://www.mixdown.ca/redmine/projects/mixdown/wiki/Macro_Abuse_in_C 2018-01-24T16:40:28 < zyp> aandrew, you could just do mrs r0, ipsr, instead of reading entire psr and masking it 2018-01-24T16:40:37 < zyp> will save you an instruction :p 2018-01-24T16:40:51 < aandrew> zyp: ah see, now even smaller 2018-01-24T16:41:13 < aandrew> I will send a cheque in the mail 2018-01-24T16:41:23 < zyp> thx 2018-01-24T16:41:37 < zyp> you don't really need to do that stuff in assembly at all, btw 2018-01-24T16:41:51 < polygon> i get the job ? https://pastebin.com/H4GgQNNL 2018-01-24T16:42:19 < Laurenceb> ur fired 2018-01-24T16:43:11 < polygon> you cant, im not even highered 2018-01-24T16:43:31 < aandrew> highered hahaha 2018-01-24T16:43:53 < aandrew> polygon: srs question: how old are you? 2018-01-24T16:44:36 < polygon> meant hired lel 2018-01-24T16:44:49 < dongs> 13 2018-01-24T16:44:49 < aandrew> I know 2018-01-24T16:45:42 < aandrew> the reason I ask is because it's been my experience that people who code like that tend to be young 2018-01-24T16:45:57 < polygon> oh 2018-01-24T16:46:08 < aandrew> I used to write x86 asm and write it super optimized and code densely with few comments 2018-01-24T16:46:19 < polygon> how do you define young? 2018-01-24T16:47:02 < polygon> is 30 young? 2018-01-24T16:47:15 < Emil> aandrew: he's just not yet corrupted 2018-01-24T16:47:22 < polygon> What is the trend here? 2018-01-24T16:47:24 < Emil> By reality 2018-01-24T16:47:36 < karlp> sweet, colleague managued to zap the usb hub with static somehow 2018-01-24T16:47:38 < aandrew> I clearly remember thinking "this is so simple you'd have to be an idiot to not understand it" 2018-01-24T16:47:43 < aandrew> and years later... gues who's the idiot 2018-01-24T16:47:58 < karlp> bootloader sees a hub, but only two ports, instead of three, and nothing attached to it. 2018-01-24T16:48:23 < zyp> aandrew, https://paste.jvnv.net/view/kQ9r1 <- this should compile into pretty much the same as your code if I'm reading it right 2018-01-24T16:48:32 < qyx> at least some $300 industrial one? 2018-01-24T16:48:35 < zyp> while being much more readable :p 2018-01-24T16:49:50 < aandrew> when I write code now I write it more plainly and clearly, and anytime I *do* have some tricky logic or play games such as macro abuse, I document the fuck out of it 2018-01-24T16:49:57 < aandrew> polygon: I'm 41, but 30 isn't young IMO 2018-01-24T16:50:17 < polygon> aandrew: i don't get your argument 2018-01-24T16:50:19 < dongs> wiped windows off macbook before giving it away 2018-01-24T16:50:23 < dongs> tried to c onnect to wifi 2018-01-24T16:50:27 < aandrew> that super dense code looks like it's written by a 1st year CS student who's been programming since he's 13 and thinks he's pretty slick 2018-01-24T16:50:39 < polygon> [15:44] the reason I ask is because it's been my experience that people who code like that tend to be young - "like thaht" 2018-01-24T16:50:40 < dongs> opened the wifi dialog, it contains: password entry form, 2 cehckboxes, ok/cancel 2018-01-24T16:50:57 < dongs> i typed the password, and wanted to make sure itwas corret, so i wanted to hit the 'show passworerd' checkbox 2018-01-24T16:50:59 < qyx> aandrew's argument is that the simpler and more verbose you write your code, the better 2018-01-24T16:51:02 < dongs> pressing tab did fuck all 2018-01-24T16:51:03 < dongs> 2018 2018-01-24T16:51:06 < aandrew> qyx: correct 2018-01-24T16:51:10 < dongs> how the fuck does anyone use this garbage 2018-01-24T16:51:19 < polygon> aandrew: ah, i wasn't trying hard 2018-01-24T16:51:32 < dongs> zyp, youre a macfaggot how do you deal with the fact taht theres zero keyboard navigation in any macfag interface 2018-01-24T16:51:36 < aandrew> polygon: beyond winning programming golf contests or IOCCC, what *real* use is your code like https://pastebin.com/H4GgQNNL 2018-01-24T16:51:38 -!- kow_ [~root@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T16:51:42 < karlp> qyx: well, sort of, the usbhub built onto our devices. 2018-01-24T16:51:50 < karlp> he seems to be a static generating machine somewhoe 2018-01-24T16:52:04 < aandrew> dongs: everyone uses spaces these days, that's why tab didn't do shit 2018-01-24T16:52:08 < polygon> aandrew: actually i did that in a few minutes to solve the challenge 2018-01-24T16:52:12 < dongs> aandrew: wat 2018-01-24T16:52:21 < dongs> i wantd to move focus from textbox to checkbox 2018-01-24T16:52:24 < dongs> so I can check it by keyboard 2018-01-24T16:52:26 < dongs> isntead of clicking 2018-01-24T16:52:36 < aandrew> dongs: I know, I'm just fucking with you 2018-01-24T16:53:03 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/1fe173d08e/78633.png 2018-01-24T16:54:31 < dongs> how the fuck do i reset a mac 2018-01-24T16:54:33 < dongs> to factory defautls 2018-01-24T16:54:35 < aandrew> polygon: if the challenge was golf/obfuscated code contest, not bad at all. 2018-01-24T16:54:50 < aandrew> dongs: no rst# or RST bit you can hit off of MII? 2018-01-24T16:55:29 < dongs> bwahahahah the best way to wipe your macis to folllow thees instructoins to reformat your hard drive and reinstall macos 2018-01-24T16:55:32 < dongs> FUCKIGN REALLY?! 2018-01-24T16:55:45 < dongs> theres no fucking built in "clean this shit up" in settings?! 2018-01-24T16:55:46 < aandrew> oh 2018-01-24T16:55:49 < aandrew> mac as in macos 2018-01-24T16:55:59 < dongs> even microsoft has this right 2018-01-24T16:56:00 < aandrew> dongs: how do you reset a win10 pc to factory? 2018-01-24T16:56:09 < dongs> aandrew: you press winkey, type reset 2018-01-24T16:56:10 < dongs> and go from there 2018-01-24T16:56:32 < dongs> and it comes up with "reset this pc" 2018-01-24T16:56:43 < polygon> aandrew: the challenge was to write a program that outputs "Fizz" at every number divisible by 3 and "Buzz" at every number divisible by 5 and obviously it is a plus to be simply extendable, tweakable 2018-01-24T16:56:55 < dongs> uh 2018-01-24T16:57:04 < dongs> that may be a challenge, but its completely fucking useless 2018-01-24T16:57:29 < aandrew> polygon: sure, I'm very familiar with fizbuzz. if you showed me that at an interview you would not make it to the next round 2018-01-24T16:57:32 < Laurenceb> > challenge 2018-01-24T16:57:38 < Laurenceb> ok ur going wrong here 2018-01-24T16:57:42 * karlp hi5s aandrew 2018-01-24T16:57:43 < aandrew> but if you're trying to make dense or obscure code, you're moving on to the next round 2018-01-24T16:57:49 < Laurenceb> why not do stuff that matters 2018-01-24T16:58:07 < karlp> fizzbuzz is at least better than hellow world for showing off language constructs 2018-01-24T16:58:14 < Laurenceb> or go to pornhub or ur local dealer 2018-01-24T16:58:25 < aandrew> I use fizbuzz as a very early test for candidates, but I ask them to whiteboard it 2018-01-24T16:58:26 < jadew> Laurenceb, fizzbuzz matters, very useful in real life 2018-01-24T16:58:29 < Laurenceb> or join ISIS 2018-01-24T16:58:40 < polygon> aandrew: i think i made it logical, and macros are to replace redundant typing. 2018-01-24T16:58:42 < Laurenceb> anything is better than programming "challenges" 2018-01-24T16:58:56 < aandrew> fizbuzz instantly eliminates many, many candidates who think they'll fake their way 2018-01-24T16:59:02 < jadew> I think fizzbuzz is only used to show that someone can do the bare minimum of coding 2018-01-24T16:59:13 < jadew> what aandrew said 2018-01-24T16:59:25 < aandrew> ({(!((_num_)%(_mod_)))?({printf("%s",(_txt_));1;}):({0;});}) 2018-01-24T16:59:27 < aandrew> instant fucking fail 2018-01-24T16:59:39 < aandrew> you made it logical? 2018-01-24T16:59:41 * karlp is apparently glad to not have much experience with hiring 2018-01-24T16:59:48 < aandrew> no, you made it "kewl" 2018-01-24T16:59:49 < polygon> well it is ternary, yes 2018-01-24T16:59:58 < karlp> or at least, hiring in americaland or something 2018-01-24T17:00:02 < qyx> ternary is generally not used in a sane code 2018-01-24T17:00:08 < aandrew> keystrokes don't cost money 2018-01-24T17:00:11 < polygon> i left out the if 2018-01-24T17:00:15 < dongs> what the fuck is so difficult about this fizzbuzz shit 2018-01-24T17:00:18 < dongs> ive neverheard of it 2018-01-24T17:00:21 < karlp> qyx: aie, cmon, never? 2018-01-24T17:00:24 < aandrew> taking even five minutes to try to deconstruct your macro is an instant fail 2018-01-24T17:00:34 < aandrew> dongs: it's not, that's the point 2018-01-24T17:00:34 < Laurenceb> dongs gets hired 2018-01-24T17:00:36 < englishman> dongs, 2018-01-24T17:00:37 < dongs> is it literally just looping and checking if disisible by 3 or 5 and printing shit? 2018-01-24T17:00:38 < englishman> "Write a program that prints the numbers from 1 to 100. But for multiples of three print “Fizz” instead of the number and for the multiples of five print “Buzz”. For numbers which are multiples of both three and five print “FizzBuzz”." 2018-01-24T17:00:41 < Laurenceb> if I was interviewing 2018-01-24T17:00:55 < aandrew> brb meeting 2018-01-24T17:00:56 < qyx> karlp: meh, there are occasions.. but usually it is better to just if 2018-01-24T17:00:57 < jadew> dongs, nothing, that's the thing 2018-01-24T17:01:00 < Laurenceb> first person to say "this is bullshit" gets the jerb 2018-01-24T17:01:12 < jadew> it's just a test to see if someone can actually code 2018-01-24T17:01:24 < jadew> because a lot of people can't even do that 2018-01-24T17:01:40 < jadew> but it's a lazy approach anyway 2018-01-24T17:01:54 < jadew> if you talk to someone you'll know instantly if they can code or not 2018-01-24T17:02:00 < jadew> and how well they're able to code 2018-01-24T17:02:15 < polygon> aandrew: what you quoted is some herecode and C ternary operator with return value 2018-01-24T17:02:44 < jadew> when you get fizz buzz at an interview you'll know your interviewer knows shit 2018-01-24T17:03:01 < jadew> or more exactly, doesn' 2018-01-24T17:03:05 < jadew> or more exactly, doesn't know shit 2018-01-24T17:03:11 < karlp> jadew: or, that it's a very very first round interview I guess 2018-01-24T17:03:41 < BrainDamage> how exactly does anyone fail that test 2018-01-24T17:03:45 < polygon> [15:58] keystrokes don't cost money - time is worth more than money 2018-01-24T17:03:53 < englishman> import fizzbuzz.py 2018-01-24T17:03:54 < jadew> karlp, you'd have to target a very specific type of people for that test to be useful 2018-01-24T17:03:55 < englishman> done 2018-01-24T17:04:18 < jadew> someone who doesn't know much, but can still do a bit of coding (that would have to be your target) 2018-01-24T17:04:37 < jadew> because from reading a CV, it becomes immediately apparent if a candidate is a noob or not 2018-01-24T17:04:50 < jadew> and if it's a noob, it doesn't matter if he can do FizzBuzz or not 2018-01-24T17:04:56 < jadew> he's still bottom of the barel 2018-01-24T17:05:02 < jadew> barrel? 2018-01-24T17:05:11 < polygon> [15:59] is it literally just looping and checking if disisible by 3 or 5 and printing shit? - yes, basically it would drop out the clueless instantly 2018-01-24T17:05:24 < Thorn> that solution is wrong, it prints Jizz instead of Fizz 2018-01-24T17:05:25 < karlp> BrainDamage: saw an article on fizzbuzz a while ago, apparently _lots_ of people don't getit exactly right 2018-01-24T17:05:26 < aandrew> polygon: I’m well aware of what the code does. my point is that it is written like shit. 2018-01-24T17:06:21 < aandrew> if you write like that to show me how well you code I’m not interested in how you code under a deadline 2018-01-24T17:07:52 < dongs> http://wiki.c2.com/?FizzBuzzTest haha, theres literally a competition who can writ hte dumbest implementation 2018-01-24T17:07:58 < dongs> i bet polygon's is on there 2018-01-24T17:09:47 < polygon> lol 2018-01-24T17:10:01 < PaulFertser> dongs: you missed the opportunity to rage about GCC extension. "A compound statement enclosed in parentheses may appear as an expression in GNU C." 2018-01-24T17:10:17 < PaulFertser> Or does Keil also support that? 2018-01-24T17:10:31 < dongs> PaulFertser: first you'd have to tell me waht teh shit a compound statement is 2018-01-24T17:10:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Statement-Exprs.html 2018-01-24T17:10:41 < dongs> you mean shit like 2018-01-24T17:10:55 < dongs> faggot(); fuckyou(); on one line? 2018-01-24T17:10:59 < aandrew> keil is superior; you can use angle brackets if you prefer 2018-01-24T17:11:15 < Rickta59> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Statement-Exprs.html 2018-01-24T17:11:52 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b] 2018-01-24T17:12:13 < dongs> that page gave me cancer and im dying 2018-01-24T17:12:28 < dongs> and no, i hope keil doesnt support such filth 2018-01-24T17:12:33 < Rickta59> :) .. perfect gcc is a virus for dongs 2018-01-24T17:14:18 < polygon> aandrew: good thing you will never judge my codes 2018-01-24T17:15:20 < Rickta59> speaking of stupid .. i came across some code like this the other day 2018-01-24T17:15:21 < BrainDamage> i tought that's what he just did 2018-01-24T17:15:24 < Rickta59> __no_init struct setup configuration @ 0x100; 2018-01-24T17:15:32 < Rickta59> wth is that .. IAR feature 2018-01-24T17:15:41 < aandrew> polygon: agreed. I’m in a bit of a grumpy old man mode this morning, but even in my happiest I’d not accept code like that without a very good reason 2018-01-24T17:15:42 < BrainDamage> just no direct consequence other than your channel opinion going to shit 2018-01-24T17:16:24 < polygon> aandrew: i have my reasons though 2018-01-24T17:16:28 < dongs> Rickta59: because gcc way of doing same is SO much better. 2018-01-24T17:16:50 < aandrew> polygon: what possible reason do you have to present that line noise in an interview? 2018-01-24T17:16:59 < dongs> you have to make a fucking linker script, named sections, and shit like that 2018-01-24T17:17:02 < dongs> ridiculous 2018-01-24T17:17:11 < polygon> lel 2018-01-24T17:17:19 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-24T17:17:36 < dongs> polygon isnt very good at trolling 2018-01-24T17:18:31 < polygon> i already stated that less typing is better and time is worth more than money in my opinion 2018-01-24T17:19:08 < qyx> so no testing, no code review 2018-01-24T17:19:10 < polygon> And smaller (readable) code is easier to maintan? Don't you agree? 2018-01-24T17:19:15 < qyx> no 2018-01-24T17:19:33 < aandrew> absolutely not 2018-01-24T17:19:53 < aandrew> your code as written is unreadable and unmaintainable 2018-01-24T17:19:58 < qyx> because when you will be made (void), nobody will be able to maintain it anymore 2018-01-24T17:20:15 < qyx> *you are 2018-01-24T17:20:29 < dongs> its also rude 2018-01-24T17:20:35 < dongs> "jizz" is a bad word 2018-01-24T17:20:39 < BrainDamage> most of my time is actually spent thinking, not typing 2018-01-24T17:20:53 < dongs> yeah, i dont think typing is the issue when coding something 2018-01-24T17:20:55 < polygon> dongs: it is not even UTF8 2018-01-24T17:21:37 < dongs> qyx: i hacked up heatshrink to do zero-copy 2018-01-24T17:21:38 < dongs> for decoder 2018-01-24T17:21:46 < dongs> i mean it doesnt make much difference but still 2018-01-24T17:21:52 < qyx> I was about to ask 2018-01-24T17:22:06 < dongs> plus it saves memory 2018-01-24T17:22:12 < dongs> because it doesnt need to duplicate 256 or wahtever bytes 2018-01-24T17:22:26 < dongs> i split the single array it maintained for window and input buffer 2018-01-24T17:22:32 < dongs> into 2, made one static and one a const pointer 2018-01-24T17:22:54 < dongs> then something like ~5 changes in _decoder.c and it all works 2018-01-24T17:23:28 < dongs> anyway its a hack because it breaks the api but I dont ever see me using non-const version for anything 2018-01-24T17:25:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T17:26:38 < englishman> qyx, what do you think about 6lowpan 2018-01-24T17:26:48 < englishman> https://www.silabs.com/products/wireless/mesh-networking/mighty-gecko-modules/mgm12p-mighty-gecko-module 2018-01-24T17:26:50 < qyx> I dont know yet 2018-01-24T17:26:57 < englishman> theres some stuff coming available 2018-01-24T17:26:57 < qyx> it requires 802.15.4 2018-01-24T17:27:05 < qyx> and doesnt run on 433 2018-01-24T17:27:23 < dongs> my opinion: its deader than IPV6 2018-01-24T17:27:41 < karlp> yeah, I thought it would be big years ago, 2018-01-24T17:27:52 < karlp> i kinda feel btle is going to trash most of the use cases of 6lowpan these days 2018-01-24T17:27:55 < polygon> So i am going to drive this thing with the mcu ports, or i extend 4 ios with a HC595 to drive it https://cdn.sos.sk/productdata/34/47/0369a0f3/lcd-4-0-13-de-119-rs-20-7-5-1.pdf 2018-01-24T17:27:59 < karlp> back then, BT was not a contender 2018-01-24T17:28:09 < qyx> but bt is scatternet only 2018-01-24T17:28:13 < qyx> no actual mesh 2018-01-24T17:28:20 < qyx> so it may has its usecases 2018-01-24T17:28:45 < qyx> polygon: are you sk? 2018-01-24T17:28:55 < polygon> na 2018-01-24T17:29:06 < polygon> ds is 2018-01-24T17:29:34 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_goliath_grouper 2018-01-24T17:29:39 < Laurenceb> spotted dongs 2018-01-24T17:30:29 < polygon> i would use a calculator's lcd display but i don't like the zebra thing ;/ 2018-01-24T17:31:27 < karlp> qyx: well, 6lowpan doesnt' definite the routing protocol to use anyway 2018-01-24T17:31:34 < dongs> there's a L052-discovery with a LCD liek that on it 2018-01-24T17:31:37 < dongs> if you feel extremely autistic 2018-01-24T17:31:53 < qyx> are you sure that driving an lcd with hc595 is going to work? 2018-01-24T17:32:08 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/32l152cdiscovery.html 2018-01-24T17:32:21 < polygon> Im cool thx 2018-01-24T17:32:34 < polygon> qyx: yes 2018-01-24T17:33:51 < dongs> please draw a diagram in fritzing of how you would accomplish that 2018-01-24T17:34:30 < polygon> qyx: https://assets.nexperia.com/documents/data-sheet/74HC_HCT595.pdf this thing is quite fast and cmos 2018-01-24T17:34:39 < dongs> anyway, apparently doable: https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/application-notes/an202.pdf 2018-01-24T17:34:49 < karlp> "The Internet of Things (IoT) is the wave of the future, offering businesses immediate and real-world opportunities to reduce costs, increase revenue, and transform their business." 2018-01-24T17:35:10 < polygon> dongs: ha! they made it before me! 2018-01-24T17:35:13 < Laurenceb> stup shitpostin 2018-01-24T17:35:35 < Laurenceb> dongs: I always worry about frying LCD panels with unbalanced polarity 2018-01-24T17:35:43 < Laurenceb> but maybe its not a big issue... 2018-01-24T17:36:05 < Laurenceb> supposedly + and - time has to exactly balance or you get electrolysis 2018-01-24T17:36:24 < polygon> dongs: though i won't waste any more ports on com pins, just put those on the 595s too 2018-01-24T17:36:32 < aandrew> lol fritzing 2018-01-24T17:36:34 < qyx> karlp: pff much buzz and fizz 2018-01-24T17:37:27 < karlp> qyx: from microsoft's azure shit 2018-01-24T17:37:27 < polygon> Laurenceb: it is not a big issue, you need 50% duty and 64Hz+-32Hz frequency 2018-01-24T17:37:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T17:37:48 < Laurenceb> ok 2018-01-24T17:37:57 < dongs> omg there's a -5C warning for tokyo 2018-01-24T17:38:02 < dongs> lowest in liek 20 years 2018-01-24T17:38:25 < polygon> dongs: well, it is global cooling this year 2018-01-24T17:38:26 < jadew> you need a warning for -5? 2018-01-24T17:38:38 < englishman> oh wow lunix failed at formatting all 220 of these sd cards 2018-01-24T17:38:45 < englishman> they still show up as exfat 2018-01-24T17:38:46 < polygon> next 2 years will be global warming again 2018-01-24T17:38:55 < englishman> mkfs successfully renamed but didnt format 2018-01-24T17:38:55 < jadew> global warning 2018-01-24T17:39:04 < dongs> englishman: haha, pro 2018-01-24T17:39:14 < dongs> also, mkfs 2018-01-24T17:39:22 < englishman> i know right 2018-01-24T17:39:40 < englishman> exfat = unsupported, had to format to ancient fat32 2018-01-24T17:39:50 < englishman> using lunix, because its the only OS supporting deprecated filesystems 2018-01-24T17:39:53 < dongs> oh its for use wiht lunix? 2018-01-24T17:40:01 < englishman> yeah with edidumb 2018-01-24T17:40:04 < dongs> exfat = not "free" 2018-01-24T17:40:11 < dongs> so shunned by lunixfags 2018-01-24T17:40:35 < dongs> for some reason they quantify software/things by freedom instead of functioanlity 2018-01-24T17:40:45 < dongs> mayeh thats why they have all these FUCKING USELESS FREE DESKTOP ENVIRONEMTNS 2018-01-24T17:40:52 < dongs> that are fucking uunsable garbage 2018-01-24T17:41:00 < englishman> funny since i took random samples, plugged them into windows and they read fat32 2018-01-24T17:41:07 < englishman> but i guess it was just the first 2 cards then it stopped formatting 2018-01-24T17:41:16 < Laurenceb> wut 2018-01-24T17:41:20 < englishman> but still renamed, and didnt throw any errors 2018-01-24T17:41:24 < Laurenceb> muh windozer handles fat32 no prob 2018-01-24T17:41:29 < englishman> Laurenceb: of course 2018-01-24T17:41:34 < englishman> but you cannto format >32gb to fat32 2018-01-24T17:41:38 < Laurenceb> windozer is better than lunix at ancient shit 2018-01-24T17:41:45 < Laurenceb> I can run exe from early 90s 2018-01-24T17:41:50 < englishman> we know this 2018-01-24T17:42:00 < dongs> < englishman> but you cannto format >32gb to fat32 2018-01-24T17:42:02 < dongs> you can actually 2018-01-24T17:42:03 < dongs> just use diskpart 2018-01-24T17:42:05 < englishman> show me 2018-01-24T17:42:07 < Laurenceb> hehe 2018-01-24T17:42:15 < Laurenceb> yeah just partition it 2018-01-24T17:42:17 < englishman> try it. 2018-01-24T17:42:19 < polygon> Laurenceb: 50%±0.5% duty should be fine for an LCD at 64Hz±32Hz 2018-01-24T17:42:23 < Laurenceb> ok 2018-01-24T17:42:33 < dongs> https://www.itsupportguides.com/knowledge-base/tech-tips-tricks/how-to-format-disks-using-diskpart/ 2018-01-24T17:43:08 < englishman> formatting a 12gb drive 2018-01-24T17:43:25 < dongs> just format fs=fat32 works or whatever after selecting a drive 2018-01-24T17:43:29 < dongs> + quick 2018-01-24T17:43:55 < englishman> negative 2018-01-24T17:46:39 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/1fe173d08e/78648.gif 2018-01-24T17:56:02 < qyx> englishman: actually I would be happier if there was a standardized MAC, modulation and frequency agnostic.. supported by common sub-1GHz transceiver manufacturers 2018-01-24T17:56:10 < qyx> so you could overlay your protocols on top of it 2018-01-24T17:57:45 < kikes> Laurenceb, did you have rn42 with direct slot to olimexino stm32? 2018-01-24T17:58:02 < Laurenceb> kikes: no 2018-01-24T17:58:10 < Laurenceb> rn42 was only on my custom board 2018-01-24T17:58:23 < kikes> when you tested stuff on olimexino you didn't have bluetooth? 2018-01-24T17:58:29 < Laurenceb> yeah 2018-01-24T17:58:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-24T18:05:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T18:06:49 < kikes> shouldn't you connect your antistatic mat first to resistor box? 2018-01-24T18:06:55 < kikes> and then to ground 2018-01-24T18:07:36 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-24T18:07:57 < kikes> ours have resistor box but nothing to connect the mat to it 2018-01-24T18:08:44 < kikes> only lead with this boltable connector 2018-01-24T18:08:50 < kikes> and another end has button 2018-01-24T18:08:57 < kikes> and it's 0ohm 2018-01-24T18:13:18 < aandrew> lol 2018-01-24T18:13:19 < aandrew> the toilet paper here is pro 2018-01-24T18:13:20 < aandrew> literally, “Cascades Pro” 2018-01-24T18:16:41 < sync> especially engineered for pro irc ee shittering 2018-01-24T18:25:27 < englishman> hey thats what im doing 2018-01-24T18:26:33 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T18:28:49 < karlp> qyx: you and your subgig :) 2018-01-24T18:29:28 -!- Getty [getty@stardestroyer.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-24T18:32:08 -!- Getty [getty@stardestroyer.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T18:36:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-24T18:54:17 < qyx> karlp: because cognitive radio anarchy 2018-01-24T18:54:37 < qyx> much space free left from analol TV 2018-01-24T18:55:07 < qyx> hopefully in the future it will be available for some use under reasonable conditions 2018-01-24T18:56:49 < BrainDamage> here analol got replaced by buttdigit tv 2018-01-24T18:57:06 < BrainDamage> and if weren't for the tv, 4g is aggressively reclaiming all the bands possible 2018-01-24T18:58:57 < qyx> here too, but only 3 dvb muxs 2018-01-24T18:59:04 < qyx> much less than in the past 2018-01-24T18:59:24 < BrainDamage> ~150 here 2018-01-24T18:59:34 < qyx> O_o 2018-01-24T18:59:43 < BrainDamage> yup, the channel count exploded 2018-01-24T18:59:50 < BrainDamage> dvb is a big thing here 2018-01-24T19:00:03 < qyx> here nobody uses it 2018-01-24T19:00:08 < qyx> mainly dvb-s2 here 2018-01-24T19:00:58 < BrainDamage> a decent fraction of the muxes tough are pay per view services 2018-01-24T19:01:02 < qyx> do you have 150 channels or 150 multiplexes? 2018-01-24T19:01:03 < BrainDamage> from either sky or mediaset 2018-01-24T19:01:11 < BrainDamage> 150 muxes, hundreds of channels 2018-01-24T19:01:17 < qyx> meh 2018-01-24T19:01:19 < BrainDamage> altough not all muxes are used 2018-01-24T19:01:44 < BrainDamage> italy's territory is heavily montaineus (spelling?) and repeaters have to frequency x-late 2018-01-24T19:01:54 < BrainDamage> so you need a lot of spare muxes for adjacency 2018-01-24T19:02:40 < BrainDamage> and on top of that, we have a crazy channel list count 2018-01-24T19:04:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T19:06:14 < qyx> what are they doing on them 2018-01-24T19:06:18 < qyx> making pizza on half of them? 2018-01-24T19:08:12 < englishman> ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ catzo 2018-01-24T19:09:47 < qyx> cannot see it 2018-01-24T19:14:02 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:d50c:747:1ab8:71f3] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T19:14:59 < Laurenceb> so many bigots in here, can't you handle the spicy food? haha enjoy your bland and boring food bigots! 2018-01-24T19:17:51 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-24T19:24:57 -!- kikes [~Janne@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-24T19:25:05 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T19:34:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-24T19:36:40 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T19:43:20 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-24T19:44:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-24T19:54:11 -!- kikes [~Janne@87-92-127-107.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T19:59:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-24T20:00:09 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T20:08:03 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T20:17:35 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-27-60.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T20:19:35 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-148-115.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-24T20:44:13 < kikes> hello 2018-01-24T20:44:22 < kikes> good evenings 2018-01-24T20:45:12 < Steffanx> Not its not 2018-01-24T20:48:25 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T20:48:30 < stvn> hello welcome 2018-01-24T20:48:56 < Steffanx> Now it is \o/ 2018-01-24T20:55:21 < kikes> was 2018-01-24T20:55:24 < kikes> howe? 2018-01-24T20:55:38 < kikes> it's 20:55 2018-01-24T20:56:14 < Steffanx> no its not. 2018-01-24T20:56:26 < kikes> 20:56 2018-01-24T20:58:35 < Steffanx> -1 hour 2018-01-24T21:03:21 < stvn> get your shit into gear blokes 2018-01-24T21:03:33 < stvn> it's fucking 0600 alright 2018-01-24T21:04:02 < stvn> cigarettes and beer for breakfast here in australia 2018-01-24T21:04:03 < kikes> de fuc you doing at 0600 2018-01-24T21:04:11 < stvn> i have a job now 2018-01-24T21:04:20 < kikes> it's time to go to bed at 0600 2018-01-24T21:04:29 < stvn> odd 2018-01-24T21:04:40 < kikes> how early you get to jubb? 2018-01-24T21:04:40 < tct> pumpin' ain't no job 2018-01-24T21:04:52 < stvn> good morning tek2 2018-01-24T21:04:57 < kikes> is 0600 standard workin time in straya? 2018-01-24T21:05:02 < stvn> nup 2018-01-24T21:05:03 < kikes> for EEs? 2018-01-24T21:05:07 < stvn> its when i get up 2018-01-24T21:05:11 < tct> same here 2018-01-24T21:05:17 < kikes> when is jubb? 2018-01-24T21:05:27 < stvn> 0900 2018-01-24T21:05:29 < tct> gotta use the sauna before everybody else goes up 2018-01-24T21:05:30 < tct> lolwut 2018-01-24T21:05:36 < tct> 3 hours of pumpin 2018-01-24T21:05:39 < kikes> I get up 0800 and work at 0900 2018-01-24T21:05:49 < kikes> then pump until 1900 2018-01-24T21:05:59 < stvn> thats some good pumping 2018-01-24T21:06:21 < tct> good pumpers never start pumpin because they never stop pumpin 2018-01-24T21:06:33 < stvn> senpai taught me how to pump 2018-01-24T21:07:01 < Steffanx> Ya, you didnt even know what a "pumper" was before you met him 2018-01-24T21:07:19 < stvn> that is true 2018-01-24T21:07:25 < Steffanx> Same here. 2018-01-24T21:07:26 < stvn> i had to look it up myself 2018-01-24T21:07:30 < stvn> pp4l 2018-01-24T21:07:46 < kikes> usually I get more work done after everyone else start leaving 2018-01-24T21:07:54 < stvn> i also discovered his club for gay african americans 2018-01-24T21:08:30 < Steffanx> i knew about it.. because The Last Measure was a great hit at high school 2018-01-24T21:16:59 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T21:29:33 < stvn> ok 2018-01-24T21:33:37 < kikes> how many hours you sleep per night? 2018-01-24T21:34:39 < stvn> 7 or 8 2018-01-24T21:35:18 < kikes> do you have 8hour workday standard in straya? 2018-01-24T21:35:38 < stvn> yessir 2018-01-24T21:36:08 < kikes> how much annual holidays? 2018-01-24T21:36:16 < stvn> idk 2018-01-24T21:36:21 < stvn> whatever the standard is 2018-01-24T21:36:45 < stvn> 4 weeks i guess 2018-01-24T21:37:03 < stvn> for the last 6+ years i've worked for myself 2018-01-24T21:37:37 < kikes> and now went to jubbs? 2018-01-24T21:37:52 < Laurenceb> anyone know an alternative to influxDB that will work with distributed databases? 2018-01-24T21:38:12 < qyx> there were some but I don't remember 2018-01-24T21:38:14 < stvn> yes kikes 2018-01-24T21:38:15 < qyx> I am using influx 2018-01-24T21:38:32 < Laurenceb> qyx: I need to log vibration data on ambulances 2018-01-24T21:38:37 < Laurenceb> to a database... 2018-01-24T21:38:51 < Laurenceb> this is annoying as there is v irregular internet connection 2018-01-24T21:38:57 < stvn> see if the patients are being raped on the way to hospital? 2018-01-24T21:39:06 < stvn> fucking brits lol 2018-01-24T21:39:09 < Laurenceb> so I was thinking the simplest way is to use the distribution tools 2018-01-24T21:39:13 < Laurenceb> stvn: correct 2018-01-24T21:39:16 < stvn> ^ 2018-01-24T21:39:21 < Laurenceb> but they are pay only :( 2018-01-24T21:40:34 < Laurenceb> liek ur wife stvn 2018-01-24T21:41:13 < tct> lol 2018-01-24T21:41:18 < tct> that escalated quickly 2018-01-24T21:41:54 < Thorn> wtf happened to test equipment on aliexpress? looks like most siglent products are gone 2018-01-24T21:42:10 < Thorn> including the cheap & hackable spectrum analyzer 2018-01-24T21:42:48 < stvn> wut is wife 2018-01-24T21:43:16 < qyx> Laurenceb: pff I would not do that, I would fear the troubles 2018-01-24T21:43:40 < Laurenceb> qyx: well other option is central database and some sort of wav file storage and management 2018-01-24T21:45:25 < kikes> I need something like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-923650-14-SOIC-14-Pin-Test-Clip-For-150-Narrow-Packages/282659102697 but for dip-14 2018-01-24T21:45:33 < kikes> do you know where to get one? 2018-01-24T21:46:04 < kikes> oh I found them 2018-01-24T21:46:16 < qyx> Laurenceb: do you have lunices on the clients? 2018-01-24T21:46:16 < kikes> $$$ 2018-01-24T21:46:30 < Laurenceb> lunices? 2018-01-24T21:46:39 < qyx> plural of lunix 2018-01-24T21:46:44 < Laurenceb> oh, yes 2018-01-24T21:47:57 < qyx> what about a simple ramdisk/flash mounted directory with rsync :X 2018-01-24T21:48:05 < stvn> kikes, where do you get one 2018-01-24T21:48:15 < qyx> run in a loop and syncing whenever a connection is available 2018-01-24T21:48:24 < qyx> *one way syncing 2018-01-24T21:48:33 < stvn> i need to assemble some jigs for the old pass/fail/eatadick 2018-01-24T21:48:35 < Laurenceb> qyx: ok, but sometimes it has to be powered down 2018-01-24T21:48:47 < Laurenceb> like it could go a week without sync 2018-01-24T21:49:03 < qyx> so store files in the flash 2018-01-24T21:49:04 < kikes> stvn, 3M dip test clip from ebay is like 30+20 2018-01-24T21:49:14 < stvn> yeah so where else then sport 2018-01-24T21:49:36 < Laurenceb> qyx: yeah but then I have multiple files to sync, kind of requiring a database 2018-01-24T21:49:49 < Laurenceb> grrr distributed database kind of looks attractive 2018-01-24T21:50:00 < Laurenceb> unless I write my own file hashing etc code 2018-01-24T21:50:07 < Laurenceb> then just sync all the files 2018-01-24T21:50:15 < Laurenceb> in which case database is redundant 2018-01-24T21:50:17 < kikes> kay mouser hase them too 2018-01-24T21:50:21 < qyx> Laurenceb: just record whatever you want, save whatever metadata you want in the file name and sync 2018-01-24T21:50:29 < qyx> optianlly apply some logrotate thing on top of it 2018-01-24T21:50:30 < Laurenceb> qyx: yeah 2018-01-24T21:50:36 < qyx> to compress and stuff 2018-01-24T21:50:40 < Laurenceb> I dont think a database is a time reducer 2018-01-24T21:50:44 < Laurenceb> for this problem 2018-01-24T21:50:47 < qyx> and rotate if space gruns off 2018-01-24T21:50:56 < Laurenceb> unless I had copypasta distributed database that works reliably 2018-01-24T21:51:01 < Laurenceb> which I dont have... 2018-01-24T21:51:12 < stvn> ty kikes 2018-01-24T21:51:13 < qyx> nothing like this comes to my mind right now 2018-01-24T21:51:30 < kikes> 923690-14 for dip14 2018-01-24T21:51:32 < Laurenceb> so wav files with metadata then just rsync with server 2018-01-24T21:51:35 < qyx> Laurenceb: maybe some message queue with client-side cache 2018-01-24T21:51:36 < kikes> stvn, you need em? 2018-01-24T21:51:37 < Laurenceb> not hard 2018-01-24T21:52:02 < qyx> which attempts to sync and deliver messages when a connection is available 2018-01-24T21:52:06 < stvn> kikes, quite possibly 2018-01-24T21:52:13 < qyx> and then just pipe the data on the server to some db 2018-01-24T21:52:20 < kikes> any pin number in mind? 2018-01-24T21:52:32 < kikes> I think you just replace the suffix 2018-01-24T21:55:02 < stvn> yessir 2018-01-24T21:55:13 < stvn> i can do a thing as such 2018-01-24T21:56:33 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-24T21:57:56 < kikes> "production has ended" 2018-01-24T21:58:00 < kikes> sweet 2018-01-24T22:05:41 < englishman> marking waffels as biz expense 2018-01-24T22:09:52 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-18b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T22:16:32 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-18b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T22:17:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-18b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-24T22:36:11 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-24T22:59:15 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T23:35:41 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:d50c:747:1ab8:71f3] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-24T23:41:35 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T23:42:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-24T23:48:16 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T23:48:20 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-24T23:52:20 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-24T23:54:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Day changed Thu Jan 25 2018 2018-01-25T00:11:50 < tct> englishman, how is ARROW? 2018-01-25T00:16:08 < englishman> AWESOME 2018-01-25T00:18:17 < tct> that's good to know, thanks 2018-01-25T00:23:01 < BrainDamage> the sarcasm is so thick you could cut with a knifw 2018-01-25T00:23:05 < BrainDamage> -w+e 2018-01-25T00:24:15 < Steffanx> <3 2018-01-25T00:24:28 < tct> step 1: Design PCB 2018-01-25T00:24:34 < tct> step 2: use arrow-only components 2018-01-25T00:24:40 < tct> step3: ask englishman to dick'n'place 2018-01-25T00:25:02 < englishman> tct knows how to maximize rage and therefore profit 2018-01-25T00:25:05 < Steffanx> Step 4: join ##stm32 for you daily arrow rages? 2018-01-25T00:25:24 < englishman> switzerland is going to be poorer than swaziland after i'm done with him 2018-01-25T00:25:29 < tct> more like step 4: ask englishman about process every 5 hours :p 2018-01-25T00:25:38 < tct> lol 2018-01-25T00:27:22 < srk> https://wiki.base48.cz/File:Boards.jpeg 2018-01-25T00:27:28 < srk> from pcbway 2018-01-25T00:27:56 < tct> it's a trap 2018-01-25T00:28:48 < BrainDamage> what material is the solder stencil? 2018-01-25T00:28:55 < Steffanx> Whats that magic on the most left pcb srk? 2018-01-25T00:28:56 < srk> alu 2018-01-25T00:28:59 < englishman> steel 2018-01-25T00:29:13 < englishman> whoa you are in brno? 2018-01-25T00:29:16 < srk> y 2018-01-25T00:29:18 < englishman> ever been to CZUB? 2018-01-25T00:29:28 < srk> Steffanx: touch pads for synth 2018-01-25T00:29:37 < srk> englishman: no, what's that? 2018-01-25T00:29:38 < Steffanx> Ooh 2018-01-25T00:30:05 < srk> f7 board came out nicely https://wiki.distrap.org/File:Stmstamp.jpeg 2018-01-25T00:30:18 < englishman> https://www.czub.cz/cz/historie.html/ 2018-01-25T00:30:24 < srk> this one is for lora and stm32l4 https://wiki.base48.cz/File:Lorastm.jpeg 2018-01-25T00:30:31 < srk> by Adluc 2018-01-25T00:30:40 < tct> do I see a haskell logo no a PCB? 2018-01-25T00:30:52 < srk> oh yes 2018-01-25T00:31:01 < srk> tct: http://48.io/~rmarko/book/ 2018-01-25T00:31:38 < srk> englishman: not really but looks cool, there's local zbrojovka in brno 2018-01-25T00:32:20 < tct> srk, did you do a USB or ethernet stack in haskell yet? 2018-01-25T00:33:04 < srk> not yet, but it's just a matter of motivation :D 2018-01-25T00:33:35 < tct> sounds decent 2018-01-25T00:36:45 < kikes> I need a weigth scale with maximum value function 2018-01-25T00:36:55 < Steffanx> Ok 2018-01-25T00:37:08 < kikes> maybe 10-20kg maximum weight 2018-01-25T00:37:17 < kikes> it's for test rig 2018-01-25T00:37:36 < kikes> *a test rig 2018-01-25T00:44:55 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-25T00:53:59 < kikes> hmm 2018-01-25T00:54:03 < kikes> oscilloscope 2018-01-25T00:54:51 < kikes> I need a sensor for distance moved 2018-01-25T00:55:26 < kikes> when force parameter is now figured out 2018-01-25T00:55:49 < kikes> as the test pin is pressed into plastic 2018-01-25T00:58:34 < kikes> I might also produce some sort of distance parameter to log into oscilloscope 2018-01-25T01:03:22 < kikes> it should be vernier caliber accuracy but with analog output 2018-01-25T01:05:41 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2018-01-25T01:09:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T01:21:53 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-25T01:28:11 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T01:33:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-18b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-25T01:40:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T01:42:42 < upgrdman> does windows have a builtin way to sniff udp traffic on a certain port? i see the packets in wireshark, but not in my normal software. wondering if the os is dropping them when not in promiscuous mode for wireshark. 2018-01-25T01:43:02 < upgrdman> e.g. with cmd.exe can i bind to udp port xyz and dump shit to the terminal? 2018-01-25T01:43:10 < upgrdman> (received shit) 2018-01-25T01:43:40 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-25T01:48:42 < aandrew> huh, altium17's ipc footprint generator is *way* better than altium 16 2018-01-25T02:31:23 -!- kikes [~Janne@87-92-127-107.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-25T02:43:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-25T03:25:33 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-25T03:26:49 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T03:48:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-25T03:53:41 < dongs> wat 2018-01-25T03:53:48 < dongs> waht did they change? 2018-01-25T03:53:54 < dongs> i dont recall any massive improvements? 2018-01-25T03:55:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T03:55:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-25T03:57:03 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42810678 2018-01-25T03:57:04 < Laurenceb_> wew 2018-01-25T03:57:08 < Laurenceb_> we meme world now 2018-01-25T03:57:46 < Laurenceb_> S A F E A N D E T H I C A L https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/25C9/production/_99737690_d3949c8d-4d57-4b1c-a3e3-b6d29d7c2ba3.jpg 2018-01-25T03:58:33 < dongs> She intends to state that Telegram - a privacy-focused chat app - became popular with criminals and terrorists over a short period of time. 2018-01-25T03:58:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T03:58:36 < dongs> can confirm 2018-01-25T03:58:41 < dongs> am a criminal and terrorist, use telegram 2018-01-25T03:59:12 < Laurenceb_> my sides 2018-01-25T03:59:36 < Laurenceb_> she looks like a supervillain from daft 80s action film 2018-01-25T03:59:42 < Laurenceb_> and talks the talk too 2018-01-25T04:00:05 < Laurenceb_> I will save you from teh ebil AI 2018-01-25T04:06:12 < Laurenceb_> http://instagrafite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Buildauterinewall.jpg 2018-01-25T04:13:08 < englishman> why are you discovering 2017 features in 2018 2018-01-25T04:17:00 < jsoft> jsoft: so, you were just ignoring data on it, then when you actually started to use it, you didn't clear any existing flags? 2018-01-25T04:17:01 < jsoft> that just sounds like user error 2018-01-25T04:17:51 < jsoft> No, It was unexpected data ( does not actually show up on a USB TTL 2018-01-25T04:18:28 < jsoft> It just so happens I don't care about whatever it is right now. I will investigate with a logic probe later, but for now I will just reset the flag. 2018-01-25T04:18:59 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/24/bell_canada_security_hack/ RIP englishman's phone 2018-01-25T04:19:15 < englishman> haha bell 2018-01-25T04:19:37 < englishman> i'm not a customer, i cant afford $90/month for 7 minutes talk time 2018-01-25T04:21:48 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T04:40:10 < polygon> hi 2018-01-25T04:40:21 < polygon> aandrew: ok you got me im only 8 2018-01-25T04:41:05 < polygon> but i write the kewlest c0d3 in sch00l 2018-01-25T04:42:06 < polygon> now im gonna cut an udma-133 cable for hacking up a gps's inside a bit 2018-01-25T05:09:12 < polygon> i have a dumb digital camera that can't stream video, i was thinking about a mitm interceptor microsd card 2018-01-25T05:16:03 < polygon> do you think dumb video cameras check free space on microsd card only at power on or they continuously check before a flush() ? or they don't even handle fragmentation correctly? 2018-01-25T05:17:21 < polygon> i think if i were to create some fragmentation loop then i could stream indefinitely unless the firmware has a record timelimit 2018-01-25T05:39:15 < dongs> A+ autism, will read blog again 2018-01-25T05:39:28 < dale6998> is there a formula for calculating how long an ADC scan conversion will take? I'm coming in at 10.6uS for a 15 clock-cycle, 12 bit conversion with a PCLK of 84MHZ and a prescaler of 4 2018-01-25T05:40:20 < dongs> dale6998: yes, exact timing is in the datasheet 2018-01-25T05:40:31 < dongs> or reference manual 2018-01-25T05:40:33 < dongs> for ADC stuff. 2018-01-25T05:42:06 < dale6998> dongs: thanks 2018-01-25T05:43:00 < dongs> specifically in datasheet 2018-01-25T05:43:05 < dongs> 84mhz sounds like F401-type stuff right? 2018-01-25T05:43:30 < dongs> tCONV and other things in 'ADC characterisitcs' table 2018-01-25T05:46:43 < dongs> beat the jews 2018-01-25T05:47:32 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/daFejW0.jpg found a MAKE:R 2018-01-25T05:50:59 < polygon> uberSiemens 2018-01-25T06:15:20 < aandrew> lol there we go, that 's the IPC wizard I remember 2018-01-25T06:15:31 < aandrew> DFN? great, as long as you only want 2, 3, or 4 leads 2018-01-25T06:41:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T06:50:01 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2018-01-25T06:56:13 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:03:27 -!- Guest97656 [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:09:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-25T07:11:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:12:50 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-25T07:13:12 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:17:30 < dongs> there never was 2018-01-25T07:17:53 < dongs> when you live in a 500 flat apartment you donthave space to hang a dish out 2018-01-25T07:19:17 < dongs> you know there are 500 apartments per building 2018-01-25T07:19:37 < dongs> irrelevant 2018-01-25T07:21:06 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-25T07:21:24 -!- Guest97656 [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has quit [Quit: Guest97656] 2018-01-25T07:23:25 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:24:47 < dongs> are you making a shitcoin fpga 2018-01-25T07:25:17 < dongs> i need to code this shit but im lazy af 2018-01-25T07:25:21 < dongs> did nothing all morning 2018-01-25T07:25:25 < dongs> then went outside to walk around for a bit 2018-01-25T07:25:43 < dongs> more retarded dickstarter shit 2018-01-25T07:27:33 < dongs> no, complete waste of time 2018-01-25T07:27:46 < dongs> i saw some jap selling a shitcoin rig on auctionfor $7k 2018-01-25T07:27:49 < dongs> 4 titan xp cards 2018-01-25T07:27:55 < dongs> he was cool enough to list earnings 2018-01-25T07:27:58 < dongs> like $300/month 2018-01-25T07:28:01 < dongs> for 24/7 oepration 2018-01-25T07:28:04 < dongs> thats BEFORE power bills. 2018-01-25T07:28:06 < dongs> so no. 2018-01-25T07:28:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-25T07:28:32 < dongs> 5kW solar is like 15k 2018-01-25T07:28:40 < dongs> yes/ 2018-01-25T07:28:41 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:28:56 < dongs> you could also burn your house down 2018-01-25T07:29:06 < dongs> yeah and 4 titan XPs need 1kW 2018-01-25T07:29:31 < dongs> dont know 2018-01-25T07:29:38 < dongs> not interested in discussing shitcoin lol 2018-01-25T07:29:43 < polygon> you have to admit shitcoin is a profitable scam for some 2018-01-25T07:30:24 < polygon> i dont know but im sure they own it 2018-01-25T07:30:59 < dongs> 100W panel will never give you "100W" 2018-01-25T07:31:02 < dongs> plus conversion losses 2018-01-25T07:31:06 < dongs> plus inverter for > 1kW is NOT cheap 2018-01-25T07:31:08 < polygon> it will 2018-01-25T07:31:23 < polygon> 150W panel, 100% sunlight = 150W 2018-01-25T07:31:51 < polygon> unfortunately, when the sun does not shine it is a paperweight 2018-01-25T07:32:39 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/documentation/development-kitsboards/s6sae101a00sa1002-solar-powered-iot-device-kit found R2PROs secret proj 2018-01-25T07:32:51 < polygon> you need a peak power detecting power converter for a solar cell 2018-01-25T07:33:16 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-25T07:34:09 < dongs> thats like 100W dude 2018-01-25T07:34:12 < dongs> are you retarded 2018-01-25T07:35:30 < polygon> R2COM: i don't know what you do but you are overpaid 2018-01-25T07:38:00 < dongs> decent 2-3kW inverter will start at aroudn 1k 2018-01-25T07:38:07 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-25T07:39:49 -!- Guest48421 [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:41:23 < englishman> that is the most correct thing that polygon has ever said 2018-01-25T07:42:04 < polygon> lel 2018-01-25T07:44:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:44:59 < dongs> same like $50 speakers are 5000W PMPO 2018-01-25T07:45:45 < dongs> https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1k6ziQXXXXXcAXVXXq6xXFXXXr/3kw-solar-inverter-220v-50hz-110v-60hz.jpg_350x350.jpg this is what a 3kW inverter would look like 2018-01-25T07:45:56 < dongs> not a fucking car charger looking box 2018-01-25T07:46:11 < dongs> https://www.cclcomponents.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/i/simple_mounting_system_13.jpg like this for scale with people size 2018-01-25T07:46:14 < polygon> i dare you to draw 250A @ 12V from a car's cigarett lighter socket 2018-01-25T07:46:22 < dongs> no. 2018-01-25T07:46:48 < dongs> also solar is rarely at 12DC/ 2018-01-25T07:46:51 < dongs> proper solar that is. 2018-01-25T07:46:57 < englishman> those are all car inverters 2018-01-25T07:47:00 < englishman> oh wait 2018-01-25T07:47:04 < dongs> they're series+paralel, a lot of high end systems are like 400VDC 2018-01-25T07:47:05 < englishman> R2COM: has me on ignore 2018-01-25T07:47:22 < dongs> stop stoningaround 2018-01-25T07:47:31 < englishman> what a dumbass 2018-01-25T07:47:33 < dongs> and go dig cypress out of their fucking banruptcy 2018-01-25T07:47:52 < englishman> make a usb hub that is better than a .50c taiwan one 2018-01-25T07:48:22 < dongs> these fucking chinks invited me to some shitplace called ZEPLIN.IO 2018-01-25T07:48:36 < dongs> you click on shit there 2018-01-25T07:48:41 < polygon> who pays R2COM ? 2018-01-25T07:48:41 < dongs> and it gives you ready to paste css 2018-01-25T07:49:01 < englishman> he makes coffee at cypress 2018-01-25T07:49:24 < dongs> Lol 2018-01-25T07:49:44 < dongs> i do and i think its funny 2018-01-25T07:50:22 < englishman> that is true of any moment 2018-01-25T07:52:42 < polygon> i just thought that it is unfair that you get paid 2018-01-25T07:53:38 < polygon> you will see soon, probably 2018-01-25T07:55:41 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T07:58:42 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T08:02:18 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-25T08:02:18 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-25T08:04:47 -!- FrankD [~FrankD@unaffiliated/frankd] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-25T08:05:15 < dongs> https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-no-context-menu-key-in-the-modern-computer-keyboards 2018-01-25T08:05:18 < dongs> rage 2018-01-25T08:07:11 < dongs> yes 2018-01-25T08:07:18 < dongs> no 2018-01-25T08:07:21 < dongs> its not the same mothercucker. 2018-01-25T08:07:33 < dongs> shift-fag10 requries TWO keypresses 2018-01-25T08:07:36 < dongs> at a huge fucking distance 2018-01-25T08:08:32 < MrMobius> just today??? 2018-01-25T08:12:32 < dongs> wat, i use arrow keys to go around folders, to unzip something i'd press context menu button>t 2018-01-25T08:12:38 < dongs> now i have to fucking find where the mouse is and click it 2018-01-25T08:12:44 < dongs> shiftf10 is way too far to press normally 2018-01-25T08:12:50 < dongs> plus in completely different area 2018-01-25T08:12:56 < dongs> right click is next to arrow keys 2018-01-25T08:13:01 < dongs> so you can hit it with same right hand 2018-01-25T08:13:07 < dongs> and do t with left 2018-01-25T08:18:45 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXhhzWGmhA found r2com gf 2018-01-25T08:19:05 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T08:19:23 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T08:48:17 < jadew> I would 2018-01-25T08:50:56 -!- absynth [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-25T08:55:50 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T09:01:20 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-25T09:03:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-25T09:18:11 < qyx> wut 2018-01-25T09:18:17 < qyx> 6000W 12V inverter 2018-01-25T09:20:30 < qyx> I have a 48V system on the garden, 1kW sine wave inverter 2018-01-25T09:20:59 < qyx> with only a single 230W panel for now 2018-01-25T09:21:24 < qyx> in the future there will be 2 strings with 4 panels and a 150V MPPT charger 2018-01-25T09:22:39 < qyx> and some kawaii LiFePO4 https://i.imgur.com/c0FtTtw.jpg 2018-01-25T09:24:01 < qyx> dongs: hah that iot solar supply 2018-01-25T09:25:58 < qyx> the panel is 37.5Voc and for now there is a china-level no-mppt stepup converter 2018-01-25T09:33:28 < qyx> no, I bought some epever 2.4kW inverter recently 2018-01-25T09:33:54 < qyx> yes, deep well water pump and stuff 2018-01-25T09:38:26 < zyp> I was looking at solar stuff the other day 2018-01-25T09:38:47 < zyp> tempted to get a bunch of panels with a microinverter each 2018-01-25T09:39:03 < zyp> once I actually have a roof to put it on 2018-01-25T09:41:30 < zyp> currently I live in an apartment, so it's not my roof, but I'm looking at buying a house soon 2018-01-25T09:42:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-89e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T09:55:12 < qyx> zyp: 230V microinverters? 2018-01-25T09:55:38 < qyx> imho they won't pay for themselves 2018-01-25T09:55:56 < qyx> grid electricity is cheap here 2018-01-25T09:56:16 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-25T09:57:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T09:59:35 < zyp> as far as I've read, microinverters are more expensive than string inverters, but you're also gaining some efficiency since a shade over one panel doesn't drag the output of the entire string down 2018-01-25T10:00:16 < qyx> true 2018-01-25T10:00:29 < qyx> but usually all your panels are facing the same direction and without obstacles 2018-01-25T10:01:56 < zyp> and it seems more convenient/safer to just run 230V to the roof rather than running a couple hundred volts DC down from the roof without any convenient way to turn it off 2018-01-25T10:02:37 < zyp> also redundancy, one panel or inverter goes, rest of the array keeps working 2018-01-25T10:03:17 < qyx> that dongs's link is interesting, I am considering making such solar power system for IoT and maker culture and possibly for remote instrumentation 2018-01-25T10:03:42 < zyp> which link? 2018-01-25T10:04:15 < qyx> this http://www.cypress.com/documentation/development-kitsboards/s6sae101a00sa1002-solar-powered-iot-device-kit 2018-01-25T10:04:24 < qyx> but there are more such devices on the market 2018-01-25T10:04:38 < qyx> http://www.imagineinstruments.com/solar_products.html 2018-01-25T10:05:01 < qyx> most of them are huge and still use lead acid batteries 2018-01-25T10:05:12 < dongs> MAKE:R culture 2018-01-25T10:05:18 < dongs> whats wrong with you, quyx!! 2018-01-25T10:05:25 < dongs> suporting the DEVIL 2018-01-25T10:05:28 < dongs> y/y/ 2018-01-25T10:05:36 < zyp> for small stuff, I imagine you could just pick up one of those panels with usb output 2018-01-25T10:05:39 < qyx> I couldn't find any industrial-grade with <1W output 2018-01-25T10:05:49 < qyx> hrmpfgh 2018-01-25T10:05:52 < qyx> No. 2018-01-25T10:05:59 < zyp> they work surprisingly well 2018-01-25T10:06:48 < zyp> kept my phone charged while I stayed at a cabin without electricity in .fi for two weeks last summer 2018-01-25T10:07:11 < dongs> .fi has summers? 2018-01-25T10:07:17 < dongs> i thought it was a frozen wasteland 2018-01-25T10:07:30 < qyx> I don't need such thing, my phone battery lasts for 2 weeks 2018-01-25T10:08:42 < zyp> so does mine if I turn the phone off, but then it's not very useful 2018-01-25T10:13:11 < zyp> I also saw ubnt is working on a self contained unit with solar panel and batteries and PoE out 2018-01-25T10:13:26 < zyp> http://dl.ubnt.com/sunmax/SolarBeam_QSG_V01.pdf 2018-01-25T10:13:43 < dongs> lolwat 2018-01-25T10:13:47 < dongs> is it just a pole with a solar panel on it? 2018-01-25T10:14:26 < zyp> back of solar panel has a box containing regulator and batteries 2018-01-25T10:15:10 < zyp> seems convenient if you wanna put a relay station on a hill or something 2018-01-25T10:15:59 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T10:16:25 < qyx> my pdf viewer crashes on the 5th page :( 2018-01-25T10:16:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-89e3e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-25T10:17:18 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T10:18:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T10:20:33 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T10:20:48 < kakimir> hello 2018-01-25T10:33:03 < polygon> http://joshuawise.com/projects/ndfslave 2018-01-25T10:39:11 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T10:45:06 < kakimir> what are the pros and cons of using varistors instead of tvs? 2018-01-25T10:45:32 < kakimir> I need some clamping around 40-70V for automotive transients 2018-01-25T10:55:35 < polygon> i would suggest to compare them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-voltage-suppression_diode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varistor 2018-01-25T10:57:08 < polygon> a varistor is a nonlinear resistor, a tvs diode is a super zener 2018-01-25T11:10:49 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T11:10:52 < stvn> nigger_trap 2018-01-25T11:11:24 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-25T11:11:40 < kakimir> give me bestwindows10screenrecorder dot now 2018-01-25T11:11:55 < stvn> get fuck 2018-01-25T11:11:56 < kakimir> I want to rant at #kicad 2018-01-25T11:12:00 < stvn> why 2018-01-25T11:12:29 < kakimir> because somebody keeps messing shit up 2018-01-25T11:13:42 < Steffanx> RIP BrainDamage 2018-01-25T11:13:46 < stvn> how did you do your LED board 2018-01-25T11:13:53 < stvn> hi stffn 2018-01-25T11:17:29 < kakimir> by pumpin stvn 2018-01-25T11:17:48 < stvn> do that then 2018-01-25T11:20:54 < kakimir> win + g is recordin stuff 2018-01-25T11:20:59 < kakimir> in win10 2018-01-25T11:24:47 < dongs> THE GAY BAR 2018-01-25T11:25:03 < kakimir> G for Gay 2018-01-25T11:25:16 < kakimir> it ask if kicad is a game 2018-01-25T11:25:30 < kakimir> I press yes and it let's me record while I'm playing 2018-01-25T11:27:03 < dongs> yes 2018-01-25T11:30:09 < kakimir> I need a jumper that can do 20A cont. and 100A short circuit currents with no problem 2018-01-25T11:31:33 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ykw3SGFv6o9h-J7PzkKiDkWxvTcXV6Jc/view?usp=sharing kicad.exe 2018-01-25T11:31:43 < qyx> this lms303 is supercheap 2018-01-25T11:32:00 < qyx> could be used to measure solar panel orientation and tilt just for the lolz 2018-01-25T11:32:08 < kakimir> lms303? 2018-01-25T11:32:18 < qyx> Tri-Axis Accelerometer, Tri-Axis Magnetometer 2018-01-25T11:33:34 < kakimir> yeah 2018-01-25T11:33:46 < kakimir> those are made in.. millions billions of units 2018-01-25T11:34:06 < kakimir> everything that goes into mobile phones is cheap 2018-01-25T11:34:32 < kakimir> price is in battery and display in some cases + mechanics 2018-01-25T11:47:26 < dongs> i think you mean LSM303 2018-01-25T11:48:35 < dongs> I have that exact SD card from transcend 2018-01-25T11:51:46 < qyx> yes lsm 2018-01-25T12:03:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-25T12:03:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T12:12:47 < stvn> i want igbt expert 2018-01-25T12:13:53 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-25T12:14:12 < stvn> ok 2018-01-25T12:17:34 < Steffanx> I know one. 2018-01-25T12:17:42 < Steffanx> He uses the name: crt 2018-01-25T12:17:55 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-25T12:18:47 < stvn> sounds like a deadset wanker to me 2018-01-25T12:18:55 < polygon> so a DVD disc has areal data density of ~416.260598146 KiB/mm² 2018-01-25T12:25:26 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T12:26:36 -!- Guest48421 [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-25T12:35:38 < stvn> https://www.digikey.com/api/videos/videoplayer/smallplayer/5638134555001 2018-01-25T12:45:25 < kakimir> datasheet says adc input has 2.5M impendance 2018-01-25T12:45:53 < kakimir> I try to figure out leakage 2018-01-25T12:46:17 < kakimir> for vdiv calculation 2018-01-25T12:55:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T12:55:44 < kakimir> hello 2018-01-25T12:59:10 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T12:59:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T12:59:39 < polygon> kakimir: +-1uA worst case assuming 2018-01-25T12:59:55 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-25T13:08:41 < kakimir> if you have vdiv current of 10uA it matters 2018-01-25T13:08:55 < kakimir> you need to compensate 2018-01-25T13:15:55 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T13:18:11 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: wat 2018-01-25T13:23:41 < PaulFertser> Had my first experience with Linux on stm32. Saw "Usage Fault due to bad I or IT bits in EPSR" on return from tty_ioctl syscall, right on pid 1 startup... Tried digging, to no avail. Linux's shit. 2018-01-25T13:24:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T13:24:41 < stvn> lol 2018-01-25T13:31:01 < polygon> kakimir: try a fet input opamp 2018-01-25T13:35:01 < tct> lol polygon 2018-01-25T13:35:05 < tct> PaulFertser * 2018-01-25T13:35:38 < polygon> tct: ya lel 2018-01-25T13:35:59 < polygon> lmc6462 2018-01-25T13:36:11 < stvn> tctm9 2018-01-25T13:36:20 < polygon> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lmc6462.pdf 2018-01-25T13:37:49 < polygon> 150fA input current, 250uV offset voltage 2018-01-25T13:40:39 < PaulFertser> Of course Linux doesn't suck but debugging tricky syscall entry/exit codes especially when there's a chance of a stack corruption is no joy. 2018-01-25T13:42:21 < Steffanx> Oh the train crash BrainDamage ;) 2018-01-25T13:43:50 < stvn> fucken raining outside 2018-01-25T13:44:05 < stvn> the australian saga 2018-01-25T13:44:06 < jpa-> PaulFertser: when it is repeatable enough, setting a watchpoint on the memory location that ends up corrupted is a rather quick way to find out 2018-01-25T13:48:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-25T13:51:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T13:51:56 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-25T13:52:56 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T14:36:16 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T14:47:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ATgiDCWi0 musics times 2018-01-25T15:11:10 < qyx> is linear.com working? 2018-01-25T15:11:57 < qyx> http://www.linear.com/products/ gives an empty page 2018-01-25T15:19:16 < polygon> they sold out everything 2018-01-25T15:19:24 < polygon> ;< 2018-01-25T15:19:31 < polygon> they are rich now 2018-01-25T15:22:25 < stvn> what 2018-01-25T15:22:31 < stvn> yeah i saw that earlier lol 2018-01-25T15:29:51 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-25T15:31:28 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T15:34:23 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T15:34:51 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-25T15:48:22 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVNDl9pe3Qk 2018-01-25T15:57:59 < kakimir> linear sold to what? 2018-01-25T15:58:54 < stvn> adi got linear mate 2018-01-25T15:58:56 < stvn> iirc 2018-01-25T15:59:45 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-25T16:01:37 < PaulFertser> jpa-: yes, but I got tired at about the moment where I was close to understanding what exactly gets corrupted. Watchpoints are extremely useful, agreed. 2018-01-25T16:09:28 < karlp> heh, home ev charger post here with a raspi bolted inside, with both an sd card and a usb key for storage. 2018-01-25T16:09:50 < karlp> and good old atmega! 2018-01-25T16:10:57 < kow_> booting a linux SoC from SD makes me dry heave 2018-01-25T16:12:20 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T16:12:42 < englishman> karlp, there is a pro local company here with a big govt contract to install chargers at all the rest stops etc. ragepberripi 2018-01-25T16:12:42 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/WMnRo 2018-01-25T16:14:10 -!- MrMobius_ [a816e140@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.22.225.64] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T16:14:46 < karlp> Rob235: it's cool, but what's the end goal of this castle again? 2018-01-25T16:15:07 < Rob235> drawing robot with two arms, like two axidraws working together 2018-01-25T16:15:37 < Rob235> using simulated annealing to find the 'fastest' drawing order without the arms colliding 2018-01-25T16:16:35 < karlp> what? I mean the castle with the bridges and shit you've been printing 2018-01-25T16:17:05 < karlp> or is it just decorative? and the arms are in the outer wings, and the center is the work surface? 2018-01-25T16:17:16 < karlp> and you just went full ##stm32 making it pretty first? 2018-01-25T16:17:30 < Rob235> yea thats the case, the center tower is to house the power supply and electronics, the side towers are stepper motor mounts and the rails will extend perpendicular to the towers with other smaller towers on the other end with another stepper motor 2018-01-25T16:17:44 < Rob235> haha yup 2018-01-25T16:18:06 < Rob235> if I'm going to print it, why print it twice if I want to add a theme to the design, I don't have my own printer so I have to do it all at the library for now 2018-01-25T16:21:12 < Rob235> and I had fun learning fusion 360 and playing with the design, its cool seeing your ideas come to life 2018-01-25T16:22:40 < Thorn> Rob235 is into his second year of his 3 month assignment 2018-01-25T16:23:32 < Rob235> it hasnt been THAT long, its more than just a school assignment, I'm doing it because I want to 2018-01-25T16:25:35 < Steffanx> Sometimes ##stm32 so mean by stating the truth :P 2018-01-25T16:26:01 < Rob235> whats wrong with working on a project for a while? 2018-01-25T16:26:12 < kow_> they're jealous 2018-01-25T16:26:21 < kow_> bunch of spergs that don't finish anything ;) 2018-01-25T16:26:22 < Rob235> you gotz no free time to work on fun stuff 2018-01-25T16:26:30 < Rob235> or just lazy 2018-01-25T16:28:02 < Steffanx> I didnt say anything about your project Rob235 2018-01-25T16:28:08 < Steffanx> Just about ##stm32 2018-01-25T16:28:29 < Rob235> well, going to the library to print another part 2018-01-25T16:28:29 < Rob235> ahh 2018-01-25T16:28:51 < Rob235> bbl 2018-01-25T16:28:54 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-25T16:29:38 < kow_> typical mac user 2018-01-25T16:29:40 < kow_> .jpg 2018-01-25T16:30:45 < polygon> k 2018-01-25T16:35:13 < zyp> karlp, openevse? 2018-01-25T16:35:33 < zyp> the atmega-part of it, that is 2018-01-25T16:37:00 < Laurenceb> Coding is cool bro 2018-01-25T16:37:02 < Laurenceb> Code like a beast Bro! Bro that code into shape! Be awesome! Beer at noon. Pointers? What are you a nerd? Memory management? That's like for the CPU to deal with, bro, be bro! Efficient code? BRO! They keep making faster CPUs! Mutilate that code! 2018-01-25T16:37:02 < Laurenceb> Bro, it's got what your body craves. 2018-01-25T16:37:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T16:38:05 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-25T16:41:08 < karlp> zyp: no, commercial offering from .se 2018-01-25T16:41:26 < zyp> heh 2018-01-25T16:41:43 < karlp> not entirely sure what they're asking us for yet, but was kinda surprised. 2018-01-25T16:42:17 < zyp> guess which company is hush hush? only .se ev charging company I know of is charge amps 2018-01-25T16:43:15 < polygon> Laurenceb: c0d1ng? ;> 2018-01-25T16:43:29 < karlp> well, I'll preotect their innocence a litlte longer, not sure what they're really asking us for yet, and what I've heard second hand soudns.... beyond silly. 2018-01-25T16:44:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-25T16:44:52 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T16:55:54 < kakimir> I have 1 free channel on op amp 2018-01-25T16:56:21 < kakimir> I wonder if I could do a sort of voltage reference of it with zener or something 2018-01-25T17:01:15 < polygon> sure 2018-01-25T17:01:25 < polygon> why though? 2018-01-25T17:01:54 < polygon> you can get a tl431 and add a resistor 2018-01-25T17:03:05 < polygon> kakimir: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl431.pdf 2018-01-25T17:03:43 < kakimir> I have one excess channel and I want to do something stupid 2018-01-25T17:05:09 < polygon> what is the device? 2018-01-25T17:05:25 < polygon> i would do something meaningful 2018-01-25T17:05:58 < kakimir> could I do something with ntc 2018-01-25T17:06:07 < kakimir> I have ntc in divider now 2018-01-25T17:06:38 < polygon> itntc does not need opamp 2018-01-25T17:06:50 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T17:06:53 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-25T17:07:48 < polygon> but current signal could be amplified, or pin diode photo/light sensor 2018-01-25T17:08:07 < polygon> lasor gate 2018-01-25T17:08:11 < polygon> laser 2018-01-25T17:09:05 < polygon> or amplification of a piezo seismic sensor 2018-01-25T17:09:30 < polygon> mono microphone amp? 2018-01-25T17:09:50 < polygon> sonar 2018-01-25T17:10:05 < polygon> ping receiver 2018-01-25T17:10:24 < kakimir> sonar 2018-01-25T17:10:28 < kakimir> I need sonar 2018-01-25T17:10:30 < polygon> ya 2018-01-25T17:10:36 < kakimir> underwater 2018-01-25T17:10:41 < polygon> ultrasonic distance measurement 2018-01-25T17:10:47 < polygon> works in air too 2018-01-25T17:11:01 < kakimir> stm32 submarine detector 2018-01-25T17:11:05 < polygon> :) 2018-01-25T17:20:40 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T17:23:09 < englishman> is there something easy like this that works underwater 2018-01-25T17:23:24 < englishman> to detect height above ground <10m 2018-01-25T17:23:55 < Laurenceb> too lazy to scroll 2018-01-25T17:24:00 < Laurenceb> what are you wanting to do? 2018-01-25T17:25:35 < englishman> underwater altitude 2018-01-25T17:25:48 < Laurenceb> so... a pressure sensor 2018-01-25T17:26:01 < Laurenceb> or "altitude" above the bottom? 2018-01-25T17:26:06 < karlp> do you mean height in water coloum from the bottom? 2018-01-25T17:26:11 < karlp> yeah, or depth from surface. 2018-01-25T17:26:27 < englishman> yes, from bottom 2018-01-25T17:26:41 < Laurenceb> oh dear 2018-01-25T17:26:42 < MrMobius_> make friends with a dolphin? 2018-01-25T17:26:44 < karlp> yeah :) 2018-01-25T17:26:46 < Laurenceb> not so easy 2018-01-25T17:26:52 < karlp> you're into sonar and shit now 2018-01-25T17:27:09 < englishman> yeah figured 2018-01-25T17:27:14 < englishman> ultrasonic, no 2018-01-25T17:27:20 < englishman> time of flight, no 2018-01-25T17:27:30 < englishman> even at ~10m 2018-01-25T17:28:01 < karlp> if the environment is restricted, why not just use depth from surface instead? 2018-01-25T17:28:15 < karlp> what are you trying to work in? 2018-01-25T17:28:58 < jpa-> weight, 10 meter long string, microswitch :P 2018-01-25T17:29:01 < englishman> maintaining altitude above bottom 2018-01-25T17:29:19 < jpa-> but i can't see why ultrasonic wouldn't work 2018-01-25T17:29:21 < englishman> irl environment 2018-01-25T17:30:13 < polygon> ultrasonic works under water for short distance, dolphins use it too 2018-01-25T17:30:28 < englishman> dongs, found your new computer https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075KFPJ6M 2018-01-25T17:30:30 < tct> screw dolphins 2018-01-25T17:30:34 < jpa-> should work just fine for 10 meters 2018-01-25T17:31:11 < polygon> but you need to tweak amplification and times, speed of sound is faster in water 2018-01-25T17:31:24 < dongs> englishman: i saw that 2018-01-25T17:31:55 < polygon> In fresh water, sound travels at about 1481 m/s at 20 °C 2018-01-25T17:32:23 < MrMobius_> screw dolphins <-bestiality 2018-01-25T17:32:42 < polygon> [16:30] screw dolphins <-bestiality - there are some who does 2018-01-25T17:34:10 < Laurenceb> dolphinsex.com is no longer with us 2018-01-25T17:34:22 < Laurenceb> it was the bikehut of dolphins 2018-01-25T17:34:54 < Laurenceb> I imagine the dolphinsex copypasta is still with us 2018-01-25T17:35:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/4we372/how_to_fuck_a_dolphin/ 2018-01-25T17:35:15 < Laurenceb> yes 2018-01-25T17:35:40 < Laurenceb> >ou are instead advised to try to find a beach where dolphins live 2018-01-25T17:36:07 * MrMobius_ tries to imagine this read out in a british accent 2018-01-25T17:37:01 < Steffanx> Ladies, some talk is even too offtopic for ##stm32... 2018-01-25T17:38:39 < polygon> Laurenceb: in japan, tentacleporn is common, squids 2018-01-25T17:39:41 < aandrew> lol 2018-01-25T17:39:58 < aandrew> reminds me of the old 90s spoof on porn sites, it was something amish porn 2018-01-25T17:40:09 < aandrew> they'd show a bare ankle 2018-01-25T17:40:23 < aandrew> or a woman in full amish garb eating an apple can calling it "oral pleasure" 2018-01-25T17:41:57 < polygon> anybody made a hardware raid yet with stm32 ? 2018-01-25T17:42:36 < polygon> like plug in 23 microsdhc cards, raid, and connect to usb 2018-01-25T17:42:45 < tct> of course. every day. 2018-01-25T17:42:53 < Laurenceb> oh nice someone copypastered part of original dolphinsex.com 2018-01-25T17:42:55 < Laurenceb> http://beachbaby.net/dolphin-rape-cave-more-than-a-myth/ 2018-01-25T17:43:20 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T17:43:21 < tct> > of original dolphinsex.com 2018-01-25T17:43:22 < tct> what? 2018-01-25T17:43:33 < Laurenceb> >being this new 2018-01-25T17:43:37 < Laurenceb> do you even internets 2018-01-25T17:43:42 < polygon> never heard of it, did i miss something important? 2018-01-25T17:43:57 < Laurenceb> basically everything on that page I linked 2018-01-25T17:44:13 < Laurenceb> >Dolphins – What They Don’t Tell You 2018-01-25T17:45:43 < tct> > Have you heard about the “dolphin rape cave”? 2018-01-25T17:45:43 < tct> No? Consider yourself lucky you’ve managed to avoid hearing about it for this long. 2018-01-25T17:45:48 < polygon> Was it on cnn and cbs? 2018-01-25T17:45:55 < polygon> and fox news? 2018-01-25T17:47:23 < MrMobius_> we only watch fox news 2018-01-25T17:47:28 < MrMobius_> and infowars 2018-01-25T17:48:00 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-4rJmYEfU 2018-01-25T17:48:03 < tct> we don't have television yet 2018-01-25T17:48:11 < tct> I've heard about it though 2018-01-25T17:50:38 < MrMobius_> im done clicking on Laurenceb links 2018-01-25T17:50:38 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-25T17:50:45 < Laurenceb> kek 2018-01-25T17:52:03 < polygon> Laurenceb: https://hooktube.com/watch?v=mol2MUoy55g 2018-01-25T17:52:27 < englishman> laurent just got unbanned for posting such things 2018-01-25T17:52:31 < polygon> Laurenceb: https://hooktube.com/watch?v=xHxiVfhFqLk 2018-01-25T17:52:40 < polygon> haha 2018-01-25T17:53:17 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2018-01-25T17:53:30 < Laurenceb> suppp 2018-01-25T17:53:40 < Laurenceb> erm stm32... 2018-01-25T17:54:09 -!- englishman changed the topic of ##stm32 to: STM32 | This channel is publicly logged ( http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/ ) | IRC wisdom: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips | Don't ask to ask | http://essentialscrap.com/tips/stm32prices/ | Not a link dump. 2018-01-25T17:55:08 <@englishman> try to pretend youre in ##highaltitude 2018-01-25T17:56:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T18:00:31 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T18:05:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/electronics/prototype-smart-watch/ bwahahah. the last sentence 2018-01-25T18:07:32 < Rob235> the library has a 3d scanner, think they would be ok with me scanning in my dick? 2018-01-25T18:08:42 < polygon> dongs: Walkerville, South Africa - payment expect 0 to 1 dollars 2018-01-25T18:09:15 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-25T18:10:56 < Laurenceb> what the 2018-01-25T18:11:07 < Laurenceb> what did I just read 2018-01-25T18:16:59 < kakimir> I need something cheap to emulate load of leds 2018-01-25T18:17:03 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T18:17:16 < kakimir> how well would diodes do? 2018-01-25T18:17:48 < kakimir> just plain diodes - a tonne of them 2018-01-25T18:18:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T18:18:59 < kakimir> maybe resistors into series too? 2018-01-25T18:19:38 < tct> where's my favorite pakistani? 2018-01-25T18:19:43 < polygon> kakimir: what color? 2018-01-25T18:19:48 < kakimir> white 2018-01-25T18:20:04 < Laurenceb> tct: Osama was only token Pakistani 2018-01-25T18:20:15 < kakimir> in this case 12v leds 2S4P 2018-01-25T18:20:20 < kakimir> 5000lumens 2018-01-25T18:20:41 < kakimir> hand starts to burn when probing shiet 2018-01-25T18:21:33 < kakimir> actually I think probes would start melting if I leave them too close to leds 2018-01-25T18:22:17 < polygon> kakimir: IRFZ44, gate to drain 2018-01-25T18:22:39 < polygon> acts like a 50W led on heatsink 2018-01-25T18:22:49 < kakimir> how do you know this? 2018-01-25T18:23:15 < polygon> i have >15 years in the field:) 2018-01-25T18:23:32 < kakimir> good to know 2018-01-25T18:23:36 < kakimir> I mean really 2018-01-25T18:24:44 < kakimir> gate to drain? 2018-01-25T18:25:47 < polygon> ya 2018-01-25T18:26:15 < kakimir> so it acts like 24volt led? 2018-01-25T18:26:31 < polygon> acts like a single chip 50W led :) 2018-01-25T18:27:31 < kakimir> is there such a thing? 2018-01-25T18:27:37 < kakimir> in actuality 2018-01-25T18:27:59 < polygon> never seen any yet, but there are 10W ones for sale 2018-01-25T18:28:19 < polygon> i think they make 30W LED chips now 2018-01-25T18:28:27 < polygon> never had any 2018-01-25T18:28:51 < kakimir> what would you use to emulate 2S4P 12v leds 2018-01-25T18:29:07 < polygon> 2 series irfz44 2018-01-25T18:29:29 < kakimir> not like 6 series? 2018-01-25T18:29:43 < kakimir> or any suitable amount 2018-01-25T18:29:44 < polygon> 2s is not 12V 2018-01-25T18:30:13 < polygon> 1s is like 3-4V 2018-01-25T18:30:32 < kakimir> total voltage is around 23,6 - 23,7V and total current 1,7 - 1,9A 2018-01-25T18:31:47 < polygon> that is more like 6s white leds 2018-01-25T18:32:36 < kakimir> 4 2018-01-25T18:32:44 < kakimir> * 2s 2018-01-25T18:32:45 < polygon> or 8s if it is 3V only 2018-01-25T18:32:51 < kakimir> 8s then 2018-01-25T18:32:57 < kakimir> anyways 2018-01-25T18:33:10 < polygon> white leds usually have 3-4V forward voltage drop 2018-01-25T18:33:19 < kakimir> I meant s as module not as actual die count 2018-01-25T18:33:54 < polygon> I have seen such modules, they do have 8-10 or even 100 tiny led chips in series/parallel 2018-01-25T18:35:15 < kakimir> okay I just look the model for you.. 2018-01-25T18:35:54 < kakimir> cree xhp35 hd 2018-01-25T18:36:02 < polygon> i like the single die leds :> 2018-01-25T18:37:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T18:37:21 < kakimir> there is not really drawbacks using multi die leds but eventually you need to go to boost converters 2018-01-25T18:38:45 < kakimir> so 450mA per package polygon 2018-01-25T18:39:35 < polygon> there are some 2018-01-25T18:40:03 < kakimir> are you working on leds yourself or as hobby? 2018-01-25T18:40:09 < polygon> i see this thing has 4 chips in series 2018-01-25T18:40:22 < kakimir> as I said there 2018-01-25T18:40:35 < polygon> but this is 12V, you said 24 2018-01-25T18:40:55 < kakimir> I meant 2series of 12volt leds 2018-01-25T18:41:03 < kakimir> and 4 paraller 2018-01-25T18:41:10 < polygon> i actually have 2 of something similar glowing here right now 2018-01-25T18:41:23 < polygon> MCE 2018-01-25T18:41:34 < polygon> but what you showed is newer and better 2018-01-25T18:42:23 < kakimir> there always is 2018-01-25T18:42:27 < polygon> well it is a hobby and not just hobby 2018-01-25T18:42:55 < Laurenceb> anyone here used industrial servo motors? 2018-01-25T18:43:15 * Laurenceb is planning to build a multi axis imu characterisation stand 2018-01-25T18:43:22 < Laurenceb> but hopefully not costing megabux 2018-01-25T18:43:43 < polygon> I was using 3W cree leds when they came out ^^ now they are not so uncommon 2018-01-25T18:44:01 < tct> Laurenceb, I did about two years ago 2018-01-25T18:44:30 < tct> Laurenceb, but swiss made stuff so like 10k EUR per motor 2018-01-25T18:44:30 < Laurenceb> tct: cool, was it fairly small? What brand kit? 2018-01-25T18:44:36 < Laurenceb> oh wow ok 2018-01-25T18:44:45 < Laurenceb> I'll keep looking on ebay then :P 2018-01-25T18:44:59 < tct> Laurenceb, I'd have to check, but it was not "failry small". I think it was something like faceplate 15x15cm 2018-01-25T18:45:05 < Laurenceb> ok 2018-01-25T18:45:11 < tct> polygon, all my lamps in my apartment are cree :) 2018-01-25T18:45:14 < Laurenceb> yeah I only need to move small sensors 2018-01-25T18:45:16 < sync> Laurenceb: what do you need? 2018-01-25T18:45:24 < Laurenceb> maybe I could use steppers 2018-01-25T18:45:32 < sync> why not use servos 2018-01-25T18:45:36 < Laurenceb> sync: a gimbal system for moving mems sensors 2018-01-25T18:45:41 < sync> they are cheap as shit on ebay or from china 2018-01-25T18:45:42 < Laurenceb> servos will be horribly noisey 2018-01-25T18:45:48 < polygon> tct: good, if they don't overheat or avalanche they should be fine for 200000 hours 2018-01-25T18:45:55 < sync> so will a stepper 2018-01-25T18:45:55 < Laurenceb> inaccurate positions and vibration 2018-01-25T18:45:58 < Laurenceb> yeah 2018-01-25T18:46:03 < sync> lad 2018-01-25T18:46:05 < Laurenceb> thats why I thought servo 2018-01-25T18:46:15 < Laurenceb> stepper will be quite accurate 2018-01-25T18:46:23 < sync> yeah, but why not a servo then 2018-01-25T18:46:33 < sync> > stepper 2018-01-25T18:46:35 < sync> > accurate 2018-01-25T18:46:37 < Laurenceb> exactly, its the right choice 2018-01-25T18:46:37 < sync> pls 2018-01-25T18:46:44 * karlp laughs 2018-01-25T18:46:47 < Laurenceb> heh I only need <0.5degrees or so 2018-01-25T18:46:54 < tct> polygon, they certainly wont 2018-01-25T18:46:58 < Laurenceb> some steppers can do that 2018-01-25T18:47:13 < sync> well yeah, that's not terribly accurate 2018-01-25T18:47:17 < Laurenceb> but servo can do that + low vibration 2018-01-25T18:47:17 < tct> Laurenceb, definitely not the motors I used then :p 2018-01-25T18:47:29 < sync> I thought we were talking 14bit+ of angular resolution 2018-01-25T18:47:53 < Laurenceb> nah even 10 would be overkill 2018-01-25T18:48:23 < sync> then get any old servo off ebay 2018-01-25T18:48:31 < sync> or some new stuff from motionking 2018-01-25T18:48:58 < polygon> what are you building? battle robot? 2018-01-25T18:49:19 < tct> dolphin catcher 2018-01-25T18:49:19 < polygon> CNC cannon? 2018-01-25T18:49:30 < Laurenceb> me? 2018-01-25T18:49:33 < Laurenceb> babby shaker 2018-01-25T18:49:42 < Laurenceb> shakes the babby 2018-01-25T18:50:15 < Laurenceb> I dont know man I only get paid to do what I'm told 2018-01-25T18:50:39 < tct> upi 2018-01-25T18:50:42 < tct> you're doing it wrong 2018-01-25T18:50:47 < tct> you should get paid to do what you want to do 2018-01-25T18:50:48 < polygon> Haha, then it is a laser cannon 2018-01-25T18:50:50 < Laurenceb> inb4 "thats what they said at Auschwitz" 2018-01-25T18:51:05 < tct> LOL 2018-01-25T18:52:10 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T18:52:34 < sync> Laurenceb: what kind of position bandwidth do you need? 2018-01-25T18:52:58 < Laurenceb> sync: at some point I need to measure dynamic response, so >200hz 2018-01-25T18:53:02 < Laurenceb> but only on one axis 2018-01-25T18:53:21 < Laurenceb> +- a few degrees at 200hz 2018-01-25T18:53:26 < sync> at which angular excursion? 2018-01-25T18:53:31 < sync> ah only a few 2018-01-25T18:53:33 < sync> that is easy 2018-01-25T18:53:36 < Laurenceb> yeah 2018-01-25T18:53:55 < sync> I has a few yaskawa 50W highly dynamic servos here 2018-01-25T18:54:15 < Laurenceb> googling 2018-01-25T18:54:18 < sync> I can hit +-8000rpm 7 times a second 2018-01-25T18:54:39 < Laurenceb> heh I see some useful kit on ebay 2018-01-25T18:54:46 < Laurenceb> sane prices 2018-01-25T18:54:51 < sync> well, I paid like 5€ per servo 2018-01-25T18:54:55 < Laurenceb> woah 2018-01-25T18:54:59 < Laurenceb> where from? 2018-01-25T18:55:23 < sync> ebay 2018-01-25T18:55:27 < Laurenceb> ah cool 2018-01-25T18:58:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-25T18:58:54 < polygon> Laurenceb: will it fly, or just a walking killer robot? 2018-01-25T18:59:17 < Laurenceb> polygon: its sits in basement lab and shakes babbies and stuff 2018-01-25T19:01:06 < Laurenceb> dont ask 2018-01-25T19:02:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqGqsKt574 2018-01-25T19:02:43 < karlp> so, what, you're not allowed to shake babbies with work's babbi shaker, so you're gonna make your own? 2018-01-25T19:02:50 < Laurenceb> correct 2018-01-25T19:02:53 < polygon> karlp: http://www.cree.com/led-components/products/xlamp-leds-discrete/xlamp-xm-l :) 2018-01-25T19:03:05 < polygon> 3A led die 2018-01-25T19:03:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T19:04:04 < karlp> polygon: I wasns't talking to you about leds at all. 2018-01-25T19:04:14 < Thorn> where will Laurenceb get the babbies to shake though 2018-01-25T19:04:32 < polygon> ooops kakimir 2018-01-25T19:04:36 < karlp> from the russian grrl he has in the basement 2018-01-25T19:04:39 < Laurenceb> Thorn: I'm going to use pregnant rats 2018-01-25T19:04:43 < Laurenceb> dont tell peta 2018-01-25T19:05:38 < polygon> Thorn: he will clone 2018-01-25T19:07:14 -!- MrMobius_ [a816e140@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.22.225.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-25T19:10:51 < kakimir> xm-l is when you want lumens at nominal current 2018-01-25T19:11:39 < polygon> kakimir: it is low voltage also, single die 2018-01-25T19:11:42 < kakimir> polygon, and there has been only xm-l2 used for a few years now I think 2018-01-25T19:12:09 < kakimir> I think XM-L is obsolete or at least not widelly used anymore 2018-01-25T19:12:21 < polygon> multiple dies work for lighting, but not for spotlights 2018-01-25T19:12:30 < kakimir> that is true 2018-01-25T19:12:43 < polygon> and each parallel die should have its own current generator. 2018-01-25T19:13:24 < polygon> series work, until they start to oscillate or 1 dies 2018-01-25T19:14:06 < kakimir> single dies also have difference between them 2018-01-25T19:15:04 < kakimir> https://www.lumileds.com/products/high-power-leds/luxeon-z-es 2018-01-25T19:15:24 < kakimir> they go smaller for a reason 2018-01-25T19:15:52 < polygon> if you connect a series of leds parallel with a capacitor they might play Esaki diode (i already tried this with a cheap half dead 230V led bulb) :) 2018-01-25T19:16:37 < polygon> so they suicide 2018-01-25T19:17:13 < polygon> you might not simply use the same led bulb for 100 years ;P 2018-01-25T19:17:16 < kakimir> what if you have multiple leds in series and then to parralel 2018-01-25T19:17:32 < kakimir> polygon, interesting test 2018-01-25T19:17:43 < polygon> then there is also current sharing issues 2018-01-25T19:17:47 < kakimir> I should prob run that test for our led matrix to see what happens 2018-01-25T19:18:49 < polygon> negative voltage/thermal coefficient will make the hottest led get most current 2018-01-25T19:19:27 < polygon> this is why we don't connect leds in parallel 2018-01-25T19:22:41 < kakimir> cooling is quite adequate and direct in case of our product 2018-01-25T19:23:04 < kakimir> also more you have leds in series the more it averages them differences 2018-01-25T19:23:30 < polygon> yeah but anyway different dies have different characteristics, so current sharing is unequal 2018-01-25T19:23:40 < kakimir> also not running them full steam 2018-01-25T19:23:55 < polygon> haha no 2018-01-25T19:24:21 < kakimir> I maybe need to facilitate actual current measurement test for all 4 paraller leds 2018-01-25T19:24:29 < kakimir> *series 2018-01-25T19:24:38 < kakimir> 4 paraller led series 2018-01-25T19:24:45 < kakimir> all at once 2018-01-25T19:24:57 < polygon> i would probably go link every series element in parallel instead of paralleling a long string 2018-01-25T19:25:28 < polygon> but 2 lang strings could be driven with 2 current sources, i don't see any reason to do so though 2018-01-25T19:25:36 < kakimir> space 2018-01-25T19:26:14 < kakimir> also I wasn't here when driver desing was done so.. 2018-01-25T19:26:31 < polygon> i have a fow led tft displays i will hack, and i dislike them because they have 2-3-4-5-6-7-8 parallel lines instead of a single series string... 2018-01-25T19:26:44 < polygon> *few 2018-01-25T19:27:53 < polygon> i might even reconnect all in series, few hundred leds 2018-01-25T19:28:31 < polygon> who wants a led string driver that has 8 current generators? 2018-01-25T19:29:24 < polygon> i rather have 400V on leds lol 2018-01-25T19:30:49 < kakimir> I think it gets tricky after you want to run from litium battery some above 60volt led string 2018-01-25T19:31:23 < kakimir> I mean the price, size etc. 2018-01-25T19:32:54 < polygon> kakimir: well did you hear about the resonant ccfl drivers? :> 2018-01-25T19:33:25 < polygon> They output about 2kV with good efficiency 2018-01-25T19:35:10 < kakimir> how good? 2018-01-25T19:35:16 < kakimir> like above 90? 2018-01-25T19:35:23 < kakimir> also needs a transformer 2018-01-25T19:35:33 < kakimir> also needs damn long strip of leds 2018-01-25T19:38:51 < polygon> yes, good 2018-01-25T19:39:06 < polygon> it needs a transformer. 2018-01-25T19:39:37 < polygon> a notebook display has 48 or more leds 2018-01-25T19:39:57 < polygon> per strip 2018-01-25T19:44:51 < kakimir> is there commercial transformers that would output to say 400V ? 2018-01-25T19:44:52 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@p4FC71C77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T19:44:55 < kakimir> in the same circuit? 2018-01-25T19:44:59 < kakimir> and cheap? 2018-01-25T19:45:24 < kakimir> and keep the high efficiency too 2018-01-25T19:47:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@2a00:801:301:1892:4899:5d16:6dea:b69e] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T19:54:21 < polygon> kakimir: yeah i would use 1 series string. commercial ones dont 2018-01-25T19:56:21 < kakimir> you can't really give customer just like that a product that has 1000VDC potential inside 2018-01-25T19:56:28 < kakimir> and current 2018-01-25T19:57:07 < kakimir> 70W led string with 1000V would have leathal 70mA current 2018-01-25T19:57:40 < kakimir> or what ever the standard is for the leathal currents for DC 2018-01-25T19:58:15 < kakimir> polygon, can you make sufficiently powerful led driver of such high voltage converter? 2018-01-25T19:58:22 < kakimir> like 50W even? 2018-01-25T19:58:37 < kakimir> I assume those have integrated fets and all that 2018-01-25T20:03:12 < Laurenceb> kakimir making cannabia lights? 2018-01-25T20:03:57 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T20:04:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-25T20:05:20 < polygon> well microwave ovens can... 2018-01-25T20:06:12 < upgrdman> anyone know if its possible to intentionally cripple a cpu (for software testing purposes) beyond just clock speed? e.g. make the caches smaller, disable cores, etc. 2018-01-25T20:06:38 < upgrdman> its fun to dev on a high end box, but it'd be nice to try it on a low end box without having to keep a low end box around 2018-01-25T20:06:50 < polygon> upgrdman: buy a celeron 2018-01-25T20:06:51 < upgrdman> same for gpu actually. want to cripple it. 2018-01-25T20:07:18 < upgrdman> polygon, that defeats the purpose. i want easy and quick testing, not copying files between boxes, etc. 2018-01-25T20:07:23 < polygon> (celeron is a cripple) 2018-01-25T20:07:29 < upgrdman> yes i know 2018-01-25T20:07:31 <@englishman> vm 2018-01-25T20:07:38 <@englishman> ? 2018-01-25T20:07:41 < upgrdman> englishman, not a bad idea 2018-01-25T20:07:48 < upgrdman> would be nice if i could avoid that tho 2018-01-25T20:08:50 < polygon> microcode updote, turn off caches lol 2018-01-25T20:09:37 < upgrdman> heh 2018-01-25T20:10:29 < upgrdman> was hoping for a taskbar widget ;) cores = x, clock = x MHz, cache = x KB, gpu eu = x, gpu clock = x MHz, vram = x MB, etc. 2018-01-25T20:10:35 < upgrdman> i guess that's wishful thinking 2018-01-25T20:12:41 < polygon> i would like root acc for the minix3 intel trojans 2018-01-25T20:12:47 < Lux> limiting to just one core is definetly possible 2018-01-25T20:12:53 < Lux> even on windows 2018-01-25T20:13:20 < Lux> and you can probably force powersaving on to throttle the clock 2018-01-25T20:15:12 < polygon> englishman: how long have you been coding stm32s ? 2018-01-25T20:15:32 < Lux> do any of you have experience with ce compliance for selling an electronic product in the eu ? 2018-01-25T20:15:52 < polygon> ce is nothing 2018-01-25T20:16:01 < polygon> you can print it on 2018-01-25T20:16:15 < Lux> i found that you have to have emc tests etc and fill out some forms, but it's a major pita to get the correct norms on that 2018-01-25T20:16:48 < polygon> there are certificates like TüV... 2018-01-25T20:16:56 < Lux> polygon: i mean legally sound ;) not just fuck it we'll just print the CE logo 2018-01-25T20:17:44 < polygon> as far as i remember CE is not a certificate of anything, and all chinese cheap crap has it on 2018-01-25T20:17:51 < Lux> polygon: wrong 2018-01-25T20:17:55 <@englishman> polygon i have never coded for stm32 2018-01-25T20:18:11 <@englishman> im just here to troll and ban laurence 2018-01-25T20:18:31 < polygon> englishman: oh :) 2018-01-25T20:19:06 <@englishman> really tho since 2012-2013 or so 2018-01-25T20:19:16 <@englishman> but not as much as others here 2018-01-25T20:19:27 < Laurenceb> damn 2018-01-25T20:19:28 <@englishman> example: Lux 2018-01-25T20:19:30 < Laurenceb> btfo 2018-01-25T20:20:01 < Laurenceb> I'm just here to answer emails and man my basement lair with russian grrrl 2018-01-25T20:20:16 < Laurenceb> russian grrl is wearing her fedora today 2018-01-25T20:21:29 < polygon> Lux: https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/product/ce-mark/index_en.htm 2018-01-25T20:23:14 < polygon> CE noly suggests that it was intended to be used in EU 2018-01-25T20:23:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk1yAVOVJsg 2018-01-25T20:23:42 < Laurenceb> my sides 2018-01-25T20:24:04 < Laurenceb> >Peterson commenters invading 2018-01-25T20:24:15 < Lux> polygon: yeah, but it's still legally binding to be conform to the directives, that's what i meant 2018-01-25T20:24:35 < Lux> at least if you can be sued in the eu, which the chinese don't care about 2018-01-25T20:24:44 < Laurenceb> > This is the second most humiliating thing she's done to herself. 2018-01-25T20:25:00 < Lux> i was just kinda hoping for some guide stating do this and that and you're good :) 2018-01-25T20:26:45 < Lux> the problem with all those directives is, that like 99.9% of it is just boring unimportant text 2018-01-25T20:27:09 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c5Xnsi5a00 this is actually good, what have the redditors unleashed 2018-01-25T20:27:23 < Steffanx> At work we tend to go to some specialized accredited/ test/research lab. They tend to know well what rules apply, Lux 2018-01-25T20:27:29 < polygon> Lux: that is how legal stuff works 2018-01-25T20:27:47 < Steffanx> They also perform the measurements. 2018-01-25T20:28:01 < Lux> Steffanx: i guess that's the way to go, thanks 2018-01-25T20:28:14 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2018-01-25T20:28:18 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!~laurence@*.ac.uk] by Steffanx 2018-01-25T20:28:18 -!- Laurenceb was kicked from ##stm32 by Steffanx [Bye] 2018-01-25T20:28:27 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2018-01-25T20:28:52 < Lux> allready got a contact at the local uni to use their emc chamber, so that's a cheap start to see if there might be issues 2018-01-25T20:29:18 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T20:29:49 < Lux> Steffanx: any idea how much one has to pay such labs ? 2018-01-25T20:30:00 < polygon> Lux: ever wondered how tazers, and the lightning bolt lighters got certified? ;) 2018-01-25T20:30:13 < Lux> i've heard about figures ranging from 5k to 20k 2018-01-25T20:30:23 -!- Laurenceb__ [80f3029d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.243.2.157] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T20:30:38 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2018-01-25T20:30:38 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!80f3029d@*.2.157] by Steffanx 2018-01-25T20:30:38 -!- Laurenceb__ was kicked from ##stm32 by Steffanx [Bye] 2018-01-25T20:30:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2018-01-25T20:31:09 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T20:31:15 < Lux> polygon: not talking about probably illegal chinese imports here ;) 2018-01-25T20:31:20 < Steffanx> I dont remember the exact figures Lux. I believe it was more 2-3K euro range. 2018-01-25T20:31:48 < Steffanx> but it all depends on what tests you have to perform. 2018-01-25T20:32:33 < Lux> yeah definetly, so far it's just using pre certified stuff, so nothing that should drive the effort up 2018-01-25T20:32:50 < Lux> 2-3k sounds reasonable, thanks 2018-01-25T20:33:55 < Steffanx> I wouldn't be TOO sure. Even certified smps (AC-DC) can ruine your tests. As it did with some product we made. HW engineer figured out why it did that, but .. dont remember :P 2018-01-25T20:35:48 < Lux> yeah, i've read about off the shelf psus being bad in that regard 2018-01-25T20:35:48 -!- Guest993 [b916ac11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.22.172.17] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T20:36:10 -!- Guest993 is now known as Dank_Nasheed 2018-01-25T20:37:20 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2018-01-25T20:37:23 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!b916ac11@*.172.17] by Steffanx 2018-01-25T20:37:23 -!- Dank_Nasheed was kicked from ##stm32 by Steffanx [Bye] 2018-01-25T20:37:34 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2018-01-25T20:37:40 -!- MrMobius_ [a816e140@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.22.225.64] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T20:40:37 -!- Guest10 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T20:42:57 -!- Guest10 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-25T20:45:53 -!- Guest10 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T20:45:59 < Steffanx> Using their chamber could save you quiet a bit Lux. :) 2018-01-25T20:47:13 -!- Guest10 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-25T20:47:25 < Steffanx> funny polygon mentioned the TUV. The lab/company we normally go to is more professional/better equipped than the local TUV. 2018-01-25T20:48:17 < Steffanx> They made some automated system. Funny fact, the local TUV has plans to buy the tools from the other lab. 2018-01-25T20:49:37 < Steffanx> Must be the most boring job ever. EMC-ish test engineer. 2018-01-25T20:50:50 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T20:54:27 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2018-01-25T21:01:29 < Steffanx> And not firewall fucking around? 2018-01-25T21:01:33 < Steffanx> *no 2018-01-25T21:01:51 < upgrdman> yes, it sees them as udp and confirms the FCS, ip checksum and udp checksum are good 2018-01-25T21:01:54 < upgrdman> and no firewall 2018-01-25T21:02:54 < Steffanx> Welcome. 2018-01-25T21:02:59 < upgrdman> well hmm 2018-01-25T21:03:09 < upgrdman> i wonder if the windows firewall is on by default 2018-01-25T21:03:58 < Steffanx> i guess so 2018-01-25T21:04:11 < Steffanx> otherwise it will wine about security issues 2018-01-25T21:04:24 < Steffanx> it does THAT by default 2018-01-25T21:04:28 < Steffanx> same with no virus scanner 2018-01-25T21:05:15 < Steffanx> *whine 2018-01-25T21:07:26 -!- Guest76 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-25T21:09:16 < upgrdman> firewall rules look fine 2018-01-25T21:09:25 < upgrdman> :/ 2018-01-25T21:10:08 -!- Guest76 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T21:14:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-25T21:15:06 -!- Guest76 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-25T21:19:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T21:21:31 < upgrdman> hmm and my device can receive udp packets sent by the pc 2018-01-25T21:21:33 < upgrdman> wtf 2018-01-25T21:23:20 < ds2> broadcast or unicast udp? 2018-01-25T21:23:57 < upgrdman> unicast == sent to a normal ip? unicast 2018-01-25T21:24:27 < ds2> sort of 2018-01-25T21:24:41 < ds2> if you are in wireshark, drill down to the hw address 2018-01-25T21:24:59 < upgrdman> the pc can ping my device just fine. it can send udp packets to my device just fine. but it does not see udp packets sent by my device, despite them showing up in wireshark (look fine, checksums pass, etc.) 2018-01-25T21:25:00 < ds2> is it going to FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF or is it something specific? 2018-01-25T21:25:12 < upgrdman> no, a specific mac 2018-01-25T21:25:21 < ds2> ah if ping works, then there is no ARP issue 2018-01-25T21:25:42 < ds2> i suspect firewall... udp's are treated often as second class citizens 2018-01-25T21:25:49 < upgrdman> ok 2018-01-25T21:25:51 < ds2> esp. if they are not on port 53 or a RTP thing 2018-01-25T21:26:16 < ds2> can you setup a DNS server on your end? if so, try nslookup 2018-01-25T21:26:27 < ds2> or troubleshoot w/o windows :D 2018-01-25T21:26:35 < ds2> use a door or go outside ;) 2018-01-25T21:26:45 < upgrdman> im DIYing the protocol stack since lwip was being a pain. i wonder if im not doing things correctly. i respond to ARP requests and windows shows me in $arp -a. and udp packets set by the pc are send to the correct mac address 2018-01-25T21:26:54 < upgrdman> no dns 2018-01-25T21:27:29 < upgrdman> i guess i could find some commercial ethernet device, and plug it in with wirehsark logging to do the "correct" handshake. 2018-01-25T21:27:30 < ds2> hmmm 2018-01-25T21:27:39 < upgrdman> i think the 3d printer at work has ethernet, i could try it 2018-01-25T21:27:42 < ds2> I like linux boxes for this 2018-01-25T21:27:56 < ds2> and use netcat for all sorts of debugging 2018-01-25T21:28:15 < upgrdman> well i can "cat" with wireshark ;) 2018-01-25T21:28:28 < upgrdman> just not sure why the udp packets never get to normal software 2018-01-25T21:28:51 < upgrdman> oh well, fuck it, i'll shelve this project until later :) 2018-01-25T21:28:58 < ds2> netcat can receive and xmit udp 2018-01-25T21:29:07 < upgrdman> o ok 2018-01-25T21:29:11 < upgrdman> well i have an ubuntu vm 2018-01-25T21:29:14 < upgrdman> hmm 2018-01-25T21:29:19 < ds2> worth a try 2018-01-25T21:30:04 < upgrdman> vmware is install updates, heh 2018-01-25T21:31:10 < polygon> how does this sound? hamming(golay(hdd1),golay(hdd2),golay(hdd3))=data :> space efficiency = 4/23 2018-01-25T21:32:09 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T21:34:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-25T21:36:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T21:37:18 < upgrdman> ds2, any tips for netcat 2018-01-25T21:37:21 < upgrdman> never used it before 2018-01-25T21:37:31 < upgrdman> how do i listen to all, or listen to udp port n? 2018-01-25T21:37:48 < Steffanx> i like Packet Sender. Such nice GUI tool. 2018-01-25T21:37:54 < Steffanx> but i can receive as well 2018-01-25T21:37:58 < Steffanx> *it 2018-01-25T21:39:18 < upgrdman> hmm 2018-01-25T21:40:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@2a00:801:301:1892:4899:5d16:6dea:b69e] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-25T21:40:44 < upgrdman> Steffanx, packet sender shows nothing when it runs a udp server on the port my device is sending to :( 2018-01-25T21:40:55 < Steffanx> :( 2018-01-25T21:41:55 < upgrdman> there must something beyond just the ARP request/response needed 2018-01-25T21:42:10 < upgrdman> will have to plug my 3d printer into the RJ45 and log the handshake. 2018-01-25T21:42:18 < upgrdman> FML 2018-01-25T21:42:40 < upgrdman> on to the next project, datalogger for xray monitoring 2018-01-25T21:42:44 < Steffanx> Just make lwip work... 2018-01-25T21:43:00 < upgrdman> wish i could 2018-01-25T21:43:14 < upgrdman> also, wish i had the official dev board, which all the nxp demos are for 2018-01-25T21:43:24 < Steffanx> lpc right? 2018-01-25T21:43:32 < Steffanx> What's failing? 2018-01-25T21:44:05 < polygon> what is the fastest way to rearrange 23 bytes to 23x8 bits in your opinion? 2018-01-25T21:44:08 < upgrdman> with their demo code, it just does nothing. guessing their board bring up is different, but after hours of fucking around never got it to chooch 2018-01-25T21:44:15 < ds2> try: nc -l -p 23424 -u 2018-01-25T21:44:24 < ds2> -l is listen, -p is the port number, -u says UDP 2018-01-25T21:44:33 < ds2> if anything comes in, it should go on stdout 2018-01-25T21:44:39 < upgrdman> and i tried copying their lwip dir and webserver demo code into my project, and it still does nothing on ehternet 2018-01-25T21:44:54 < upgrdman> prolly my mistake, but fuck, im making faster process just DIYing the whole fucking thing 2018-01-25T21:45:50 < Steffanx> pretty sure it's pebkac, yes upgrdman :D 2018-01-25T21:45:59 < upgrdman> Steffanx, agreed 2018-01-25T21:46:25 < upgrdman> if only i had coworkers at a similar or higher skill level ;( 2018-01-25T21:46:44 < upgrdman> rockstar coder problems, amirite 2018-01-25T21:46:48 < Steffanx> but nxp drivers aint perfect though 2018-01-25T21:49:57 < Steffanx> not going to respond to you cunts tonight 2018-01-25T21:50:03 < Steffanx> ^ 2018-01-25T21:50:10 < Steffanx> You are doing it, superbia. 2018-01-25T21:51:12 < Steffanx> fyi: +f just meant that you wrote my name with a missing f :P Stefan vs Steffan. 2018-01-25T21:52:12 < Steffanx> lol, you were nicer when you decided to rage quit. Should try again. 2018-01-25T21:52:53 < Steffanx> ok 2018-01-25T21:56:12 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:c0ac:827:818a:c8a3] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T21:56:46 < Steffanx> :) 2018-01-25T21:56:57 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@p4FC71C77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-25T22:04:18 < polygon> nevermind me im done for today 2018-01-25T22:09:34 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@p4FC71C77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T22:28:06 < tct> is this dolphin talk all over again? 2018-01-25T22:29:47 < Steffanx> You reintroduced it... 2018-01-25T22:32:39 < tct> no problem as long as laurence isn't here 2018-01-25T22:43:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-03e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-25T22:44:22 <@englishman> Steffanx: do you want to guess my digikey:arrow ratio for 2017? 2018-01-25T22:45:03 < tct> rage ratio? 2018-01-25T22:45:06 < tct> volume ratio? 2018-01-25T22:45:08 < tct> price ratio? 2018-01-25T22:45:12 < tct> murder letter ratio? 2018-01-25T22:45:13 <@englishman> $ 2018-01-25T22:45:20 < tct> 98:7 2018-01-25T22:45:23 < Steffanx> no 2018-01-25T22:45:25 < Steffanx> edison = arrow 2018-01-25T22:45:28 < Steffanx> so must be arrow 2018-01-25T22:45:33 < Steffanx> in favor of arror 2018-01-25T22:45:35 < Steffanx> arrow 2018-01-25T22:45:36 < tct> arrow is the better one, right? 2018-01-25T22:45:40 < Steffanx> Yes 2018-01-25T22:45:49 < tct> englishman approved 2018-01-25T22:45:56 <@englishman> i love arrow 2018-01-25T22:46:11 < Steffanx> 1:2 ? 2018-01-25T22:46:29 < tct> 1:7 2018-01-25T22:46:30 <@englishman> im at mid-december in my digikey bills, will know soon 2018-01-25T22:46:41 <@englishman> but there may be some sneaky arrow bills i havent found yet 2018-01-25T22:50:51 < tct> should I give arrow all my money, englishman ? 2018-01-25T22:52:06 <@englishman> of course 2018-01-25T22:52:46 < Steffanx> dont forget to give me munny for waffles 2018-01-25T22:53:09 < tct> I'm not sure that I can afford that 2018-01-25T22:53:13 < Steffanx> Im about to buy 4480gram waffles 2018-01-25T22:53:18 < tct> I can't even afford digikey 2018-01-25T22:55:12 <@englishman> so i have the approx number 2018-01-25T22:55:17 <@englishman> whats your guess steffy? 2018-01-25T22:57:54 < Steffanx> 1:2 2018-01-25T22:58:06 <@englishman> interesting 2018-01-25T22:58:11 <@englishman> you're on the right side 2018-01-25T22:58:17 <@englishman> its closer to 1:4 2018-01-25T22:58:20 < Steffanx> damnit 2018-01-25T22:58:35 < tct> so you admit that arrow is better than dickkey? 2018-01-25T22:58:48 <@englishman> no, arrow is a disorganized piece of shit 2018-01-25T23:00:50 < tct> time to order a J-Link 2018-01-25T23:01:03 < kakimir> canudistain is insanelly huge and empty 2018-01-25T23:01:04 < tct> probably gonna order that from arrow 2018-01-25T23:01:37 < kakimir> you take a wrong turn from a highway and never come back 2018-01-25T23:01:52 <@englishman> no kakimir there are plenty of mosquitoes distributed throughout 2018-01-25T23:02:21 < kakimir> highways are just straigth lines between the cities or so 2018-01-25T23:03:17 < kakimir> is there proper bahn thru the canudistain englishman? 2018-01-25T23:03:40 < tct> https://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/Segger-Microcontroller/81800?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiVMaPcBxxSKcT1WCfAGw5gU1CKIlp4qElgNQuqe3NPbx%2frfxt7aU5U 2018-01-25T23:03:43 < tct> 2k USD, wut? 2018-01-25T23:03:53 < kakimir> something you could drive with one press of pedal from coast to coast? 2018-01-25T23:05:05 < karlp> tct: what? you wannt to buy tthe "top of the line" tool, you pay for that 2018-01-25T23:05:15 < karlp> still cheaper than lauterbach I'd wager 2018-01-25T23:05:29 < tct> karlp, I'm just not sure why the cortex-M costs almost 1k more than the non-cortex-m version 2018-01-25T23:06:30 < Steffanx> That's not a jlink, that's a jtrace 2018-01-25T23:06:33 < tct> ah, it adds tracing 2018-01-25T23:06:34 < tct> yeah 2018-01-25T23:06:39 < tct> reasonable then :p 2018-01-25T23:07:05 < tct> karlp, is lauterbach still a thing? 2018-01-25T23:07:16 <@englishman> kakimir, of course, they opened it just last year 2018-01-25T23:07:35 <@englishman> however you still need a ferry to get to newfoundland, it's about a 30 hour boat ride 2018-01-25T23:07:35 < kakimir> was it expensives? 2018-01-25T23:07:51 <@englishman> then you can actually be in canada and be east of france 2018-01-25T23:08:01 < Steffanx> http://shop.segger.com/J_Trace_PRO_Cortex_M_Tracing_Probe_p/8.18.00.htm better buy it there, if you really want it tct 2018-01-25T23:08:19 < tct> Steffanx, not sure if I need that 2018-01-25T23:08:24 < Steffanx> and dont forget to add the SEGGER Embedded Studio for Cortex-M for another 1k 2018-01-25T23:08:26 < tct> Steffanx, regular debugger sounds fine 2018-01-25T23:08:34 <@englishman> east of denmark, too 2018-01-25T23:09:32 < karlp> finland's not a real coutnry remember 2018-01-25T23:11:38 < kakimir> englishman, how fast can you drive on canadian autobahn? 2018-01-25T23:11:53 <@englishman> as fast as the cars can legally go. 55km/h 2018-01-25T23:12:15 < kakimir> :p 2018-01-25T23:12:33 <@englishman> i thnk soon they will be allowing in foreign cars like chevy and audi 2018-01-25T23:12:38 < tct> 65km/h if you are on your way to arrow HQ 2018-01-25T23:17:32 < kakimir> what canadian can companies there is? 2018-01-25T23:17:36 < kakimir> car 2018-01-25T23:17:47 <@englishman> oh plenty 2018-01-25T23:17:52 <@englishman> McLaughlin 2018-01-25T23:17:55 <@englishman> Bricklin 2018-01-25T23:17:57 <@englishman> Gray-Dort 2018-01-25T23:18:00 <@englishman> Prevost 2018-01-25T23:18:04 <@englishman> Brooks 2018-01-25T23:18:12 <@englishman> Bombardier 2018-01-25T23:18:39 <@englishman> canadians typically buy a McLaughlin or a Bombardier before moving up to a Bricklin 2018-01-25T23:22:24 < kakimir> prevost looks ok 2018-01-25T23:26:39 < karlp> bombardier makes cars too? 2018-01-25T23:26:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-25T23:28:18 < kakimir> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OySKGyvf8mk/hqdefault.jpg 2018-01-25T23:30:40 < kakimir> you have good train network englishman ? 2018-01-25T23:31:05 <@englishman> yes, but there is only one train that just goes back and forth from coast to coast 2018-01-25T23:31:30 <@englishman> if there was more than one, then they could just meet in the middle and one would have to back all the way up to the coast anyway 2018-01-25T23:32:30 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-25T23:32:47 < kakimir> how long is the train? 2018-01-25T23:33:37 <@englishman> 16 arpents 2018-01-25T23:34:23 < kakimir> https://images.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/life/travel/2013/02/22/canada_travel_via_rail_makes_improvements_to_train_travel_across_the_country/via_rail_dome_car_canada.jpg.size-custom-crop.1086x0.jpg canadian commute 2018-01-25T23:35:29 -!- pulsar [~PLS@88.198.83.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-25T23:44:54 -!- MrMobius_ [a816e140@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.22.225.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Day changed Fri Jan 26 2018 2018-01-26T00:06:54 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T00:08:55 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 2018-01-26T00:22:07 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@85-23-115-201.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-26T00:31:09 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T00:33:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-03e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-26T00:34:03 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-26T00:34:03 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T00:48:19 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:c0ac:827:818a:c8a3] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-26T00:59:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T01:11:02 < Laurenceb_> who was talking about servo motors earlier? 2018-01-26T01:11:14 * Laurenceb_ is a servo motor controller n00b 2018-01-26T01:11:27 < Laurenceb_> do they usually take a step + direction input? 2018-01-26T01:11:34 < Laurenceb_> in closed loop position mode 2018-01-26T01:19:48 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@p4FC71C77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T01:20:44 < Laurenceb_> babby status: shaken not stirred 2018-01-26T01:22:35 < BrainDamage> the worst way to get a martini 2018-01-26T01:23:33 <@englishman> they can take step+direction in open loop mode too 2018-01-26T01:24:20 < Laurenceb_> ok cool 2018-01-26T01:24:36 < Laurenceb_> but I should probably quit this jerb before I turn into Adam Lanza 2018-01-26T01:25:57 < Laurenceb_> there is only so much bs I can take before going Rambo 2018-01-26T01:26:27 < Laurenceb_> today I got asked to do yet moar timing tests 2018-01-26T01:26:51 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-26T01:27:02 < Laurenceb_> because 300ns is too much sample tiem jitter on a 200Hz bandwidth signal 2018-01-26T01:27:52 < Laurenceb_> also this -> https://pastebin.com/QYqvcFg5 2018-01-26T01:29:01 < upgrdman> nice y-axis on page 27: you really want it tct 2018-01-26T01:29:02 < upgrdman> Steffanx, not sure if I need that 2018-01-26T01:29:02 < upgrdman> and dont forget to add the SEGGER Embedded Studio for Cortex-M for another 1k 2018-01-26T01:29:02 < upgrdman> Steffanx, regular debugger sounds fine 2018-01-26T01:29:02 < upgrdman> east of denmark, too 2018-01-26T01:29:04 < upgrdman> oops 2018-01-26T01:29:22 < upgrdman> nice y-axis on page 27: https://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/managed/4f/73/parallel-universe-issue-31.pdf 2018-01-26T01:29:25 < Laurenceb_> literal copypasta 2018-01-26T01:29:48 < upgrdman> i like how intel make the y-axis go from 1.25 to 1.27 2018-01-26T01:29:57 < Laurenceb_> sounds like muh jerb 2018-01-26T01:30:11 < upgrdman> 1.25 1.25 1.25 1.25 1.26 ... lolwut 2018-01-26T01:30:20 < Laurenceb_> >yeah but yeah but... replot jitter graphs with subtly change to y axis ticks 2018-01-26T01:30:41 < Laurenceb_> repeat for THREE FREAKING MONTHS 2018-01-26T01:31:24 < Laurenceb_> I don't care about getting paid to do bs but at some point I will lose all remaining sanity 2018-01-26T01:32:16 < Laurenceb_> >how to spend ukp4M on a project that can be solved in a few weeks with seeeeeedstudio boards 2018-01-26T01:34:00 < BrainDamage> secretly work on 200$ solution at home, then sell it to commission for 1M$ 2018-01-26T01:34:44 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-26T01:34:52 < Laurenceb_> problem is there is no solution 2018-01-26T01:35:01 < Laurenceb_> as nobody knows what the question/problem is 2018-01-26T01:35:07 < Laurenceb_> or even what is going on 2018-01-26T01:35:47 < Laurenceb_> >something something shaking babby... something something ambulance 2018-01-26T01:35:51 <@englishman> did you solve the 1am programming task 2018-01-26T01:36:22 < Laurenceb_> lul of course 2018-01-26T01:36:33 < Laurenceb_> its like 30s work but why the f should I do it 2018-01-26T01:36:43 <@englishman> billable hours 2018-01-26T01:36:51 < Laurenceb_> its treating the staff like 5 year olds 2018-01-26T01:37:26 < Laurenceb_> the one nice thing about this jerb is there are no "hours" 2018-01-26T01:37:42 < Laurenceb_> as long as some random shit is completed on time its all cool 2018-01-26T01:37:50 < BrainDamage> become proactive, be the one that suggest bullshit cute teamworking tasks 2018-01-26T01:37:59 < Laurenceb_> stupid 1am tasks dont appear on any gantt charts so... 2018-01-26T01:38:46 < BrainDamage> 'write a list of at least 3 positive traits for each coworker' 2018-01-26T01:38:50 < Laurenceb_> haha 2018-01-26T01:39:51 < Laurenceb_> "The red fedora is very red, there is always vodka on hand, working hours are highly erratic and median is between 4pm and 4am" 2018-01-26T01:39:56 < Laurenceb_> Russian grrrl sorted 2018-01-26T01:40:38 < Laurenceb_> today she discovered Jordan Peterson 2018-01-26T01:41:46 < BrainDamage> since you're so obsessed with her, why don't you just ask her out and be done with it 2018-01-26T01:42:01 < Laurenceb_> >how autism level over 9000 babby formed 2018-01-26T01:42:48 < BrainDamage> orrr, just enjoy some personal time like the rest of the world 2018-01-26T01:43:15 < BrainDamage> this is in our interest too, since you would be less motivated to shitpost on irc 2018-01-26T01:43:22 < Laurenceb_> that would involve leaving the basement 2018-01-26T02:11:44 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T02:14:48 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-26T02:24:10 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T02:38:45 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-26T02:42:22 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T02:43:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-26T02:46:29 < stvn> welcome 2018-01-26T02:54:23 -!- branjb [~pseudosin@c-69-244-8-189.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T03:02:04 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T03:02:50 < dale6998> i'm trying to look at the registers of TIM1 with gdb using 'x 4001000' but it reports that it cannot access memory there 2018-01-26T03:03:24 < dale6998> how can i work around this...not being able to examine peripheral registers has got both hands tied behind by back 2018-01-26T03:04:44 -!- Jacky [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T03:05:08 -!- Jacky is now known as Guest71696 2018-01-26T03:08:35 < branjb> is scrum master a meme? 2018-01-26T03:22:41 < srk> dale6998: set mem inaccessible-by-default off 2018-01-26T03:26:44 < dale6998> well, i'll be damned...i thought it was on! thanks, that was it... 2018-01-26T03:26:53 < dale6998> another satisfied customer! hahahaha 2018-01-26T03:35:20 < Laurenceb_> slightly off topic... 2018-01-26T03:35:26 < Laurenceb_> anyone used InfluxDB? 2018-01-26T03:35:40 * Laurenceb_ is designing backend for babby shaking data 2018-01-26T03:37:51 < dongs> LAMP 2018-01-26T03:38:29 < Laurenceb_> googling 2018-01-26T03:38:49 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_%28software_bundle%29 2018-01-26T03:38:51 < Laurenceb_> holy shit 2018-01-26T03:38:58 < Laurenceb_> tl;dr in graphical form 2018-01-26T03:39:10 < dongs> all y ou need to see is a fucking penguin there 2018-01-26T03:39:13 < dongs> to nope the fuck out 2018-01-26T03:39:15 < Laurenceb_> I see Crackers, not sure if I'm allowed 2018-01-26T03:39:27 < Laurenceb_> would need DNA test 2018-01-26T03:39:52 < Laurenceb_> wurk ppl suggest InfluxDB 2018-01-26T03:40:27 < dongs> Creator of the TICK Stack: InfluxDB, Telegraf, Chronograf & Kapacitor. 2018-01-26T03:40:32 < dongs> these dudes are just as bad as LAMP 2018-01-26T03:40:40 < Laurenceb_> googling suggests timescaledb +Qt SQL interface 2018-01-26T03:40:48 < Laurenceb_> wtf are all these things 2018-01-26T03:40:55 < Laurenceb_> Chronograf wut 2018-01-26T03:41:05 < Laurenceb_> at least normalfags have heard of SQL 2018-01-26T03:41:35 < srk> Laurenceb_: I'm using postgres + timescale db 2018-01-26T03:41:44 < Laurenceb_> okcool 2018-01-26T03:41:45 < srk> cause I'm tired of 'yet another query language' 2018-01-26T03:41:50 < Laurenceb_> wtf is postgres? 2018-01-26T03:41:58 < srk> postgresql 2018-01-26T03:42:05 < stvn> fucking gnufags 2018-01-26T03:42:11 < Laurenceb_> I though that was an whole database system? 2018-01-26T03:42:19 < stvn> i use a mac 2018-01-26T03:42:23 < srk> aww 2018-01-26T03:42:32 < dongs> postgresql was created for one simple reason 2018-01-26T03:42:38 < dongs> mysql wasn't free/opensores enough 2018-01-26T03:42:45 < dongs> so instead of making mysql suck less 2018-01-26T03:42:47 < srk> postgres is pretty nice, compared to toy like mysql 2018-01-26T03:42:49 < srk> <3 2018-01-26T03:42:49 < dongs> they just made completely diffetn shit 2018-01-26T03:42:52 < Laurenceb_> arggg 2018-01-26T03:42:54 < Laurenceb_> whyyy 2018-01-26T03:43:03 < Laurenceb_> so much random me too shit 2018-01-26T03:43:12 < stvn> the cry of free software users 2018-01-26T03:43:29 < srk> gotta set some ignores 2018-01-26T03:43:32 < Laurenceb_> can timescale db do replication over internets? 2018-01-26T03:43:35 < dongs> for years , postres excuse vs mysql was "tehy dont support transactions" 2018-01-26T03:43:50 < dongs> now that they do, theres literally zero reason to choose one over another 2018-01-26T03:44:08 < srk> Laurenceb_: no, it can do partitioning in postgres. and you can replicate postgres 2018-01-26T03:44:32 < srk> haven't tried that yet 2018-01-26T03:57:43 < Laurenceb_> arg wut 2018-01-26T03:59:27 < stvn> it's australia day laurence 2018-01-26T04:01:04 < Laurenceb_> abbo meat burgers all round amirite? 2018-01-26T04:01:19 < Laurenceb_> eat all you can shoot 2018-01-26T04:02:03 < stvn> ^ 2018-01-26T04:02:45 < Rickta59> i'm pretty sure postgress was around before mysql 2018-01-26T04:02:57 < Laurenceb_> oh postgress is open 2018-01-26T04:03:10 < Laurenceb_> anyway 2018-01-26T04:03:12 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2018-01-26T04:04:11 < Rickta59> wiki says i'm wrong by 8 months 2018-01-26T04:04:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T04:05:00 < Rickta59> ah .. he was creating an internal version in 1995 .. came out after postgress in 1996 2018-01-26T04:06:00 < tct> dongs, altium always runs DRC when I move something. how to stop 2018-01-26T04:06:00 < Rickta59> but postgres was a spin off of ingres started in 1982 2018-01-26T04:07:48 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T04:09:07 -!- Guest71696 [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-26T04:20:24 -!- Swappage [~rampage@unaffiliated/swappage] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T04:21:03 -!- Swappage [~rampage@unaffiliated/swappage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T04:30:14 < dongs> tct, turn off online drc but why? 2018-01-26T04:30:22 < dongs> if your rules arent retarded it should be instant 2018-01-26T04:30:26 < tct> dongs feels slow 2018-01-26T04:30:34 < tct> don 2018-01-26T04:30:48 < tct> dongs, got some premade *.pcbdoc from pcb fab 2018-01-26T04:31:08 < dongs> dr and see waht makes it slow 2018-01-26T04:31:21 < dongs> imports from orcad and other crap usually have huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge list of DUMB as fuck DRC rules 2018-01-26T04:35:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-26T04:35:02 <@englishman> hide groundplanes 2018-01-26T04:35:14 < tct> englishman, yeah, already went past that :p 2018-01-26T04:35:57 < tct> dongs, sometimes you have a pad that is not centered on the grid and you just want a straight track to place a via. So when routing it makes two segements (straight one and an angled one). Then I place the via and then I'm able to move the via and it snaps to the straight trace so it looks nice. My question: can I somehow do magic so that the via already can be placed on the straight segment and no angled shit appears like ever? 2018-01-26T04:36:39 < branjb> i have to use dxdesigner at work 2018-01-26T04:36:44 < branjb> that shit is worse than altium 2018-01-26T04:37:19 <@englishman> do you work for cypress too 2018-01-26T04:37:40 < branjb> nope 2018-01-26T04:38:12 < stvn> tct, where is stffn 2018-01-26T04:38:23 < branjb> do they insist on using pcb software from the 80's too? 2018-01-26T04:38:26 < tct> stvn, dreamland 2018-01-26T04:39:09 < stvn> gmt+1 where you are right 2018-01-26T04:39:47 <@englishman> no i think its more about horrible business practices and decisions 2018-01-26T04:40:20 < branjb> and instead of solidworks all the MEs use creo 2018-01-26T04:40:29 < branjb> I don't know that much about it but it looks shitty 2018-01-26T04:40:34 < sync> creo is not that bad 2018-01-26T04:40:56 < branjb> o ok 2018-01-26T04:42:33 <@englishman> tct, if you have a metric part and you're using an imperial grid, shit is going to zigzag 2018-01-26T04:43:02 <@englishman> have you tried changing grid units and grid sizes 2018-01-26T04:47:00 < dongs> tct, theres snapping options in the lower right pcb menus. 2018-01-26T04:53:56 <@englishman> hes on 18 2018-01-26T04:55:49 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-26T05:01:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T05:05:17 < upgrdman> good job australia https://i.imgur.com/bhx7foZ.gifv 2018-01-26T05:06:28 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4p6B26GvJU 2018-01-26T05:09:24 <@englishman> did you notice that "not a link dump" is back in the topic? i did 2018-01-26T05:19:55 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-26T05:22:03 < dongs> upgrdman: related to your gifv https://i.imgur.com/K9KYzRE.png 2018-01-26T05:22:19 < dongs> englishman: are you saying theyre gone 2018-01-26T05:22:33 < dongs> oh for fucks sake 2018-01-26T05:22:37 < dongs> where are those then 2018-01-26T05:31:14 < jsoft> What say ye, 17K flash to talk to a load cell sensor, do some adc stuff on vcc for vbatt voltage, talk to a lora module via serial port shit, encode data and send it via lora module, and do a few toggly things. 2018-01-26T05:31:23 < jsoft> On the surface that sounds outrageously fat 2018-01-26T05:31:39 < jsoft> I am thinking from snpritnf use 2018-01-26T05:34:08 < jsoft> Is that blimpy? 2018-01-26T05:34:14 < jsoft> It seems blimpy 2018-01-26T05:34:38 < jsoft> ive got 32k, i've pretty much finished the code, but is it it normal to have such a fat ass flash ? 2018-01-26T05:38:29 < stvn> fucking, australia 2018-01-26T05:40:40 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-26T05:41:46 < jsoft> Yeah, fucking auzzies. 2018-01-26T05:43:13 <@englishman> dongs: when you have nothing selected, the context menu on the right 2018-01-26T05:44:09 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T05:45:40 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T05:45:47 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-26T05:59:59 < dongs> englishman: you mean the properties fagthing? 2018-01-26T06:00:07 <@englishman> yes 2018-01-26T06:00:16 < dongs> o yeah i see snap options 2018-01-26T06:00:17 < dongs> wow fucking gross 2018-01-26T06:00:25 < dongs> who thefuck at altidumb thoughtthis was a good idea 2018-01-26T06:00:41 < dongs> cuz now to change snap options you gotta unselect whatever you had selected 2018-01-26T06:00:47 -!- syn0 [~luciano@ns3048301.ip-37-187-20.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T06:00:55 < dongs> cuz you NEVER need to change snap option after selecting a bunch of parts, right? RIGHT? 2018-01-26T06:03:19 <@englishman> super ghey 2018-01-26T06:09:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T06:15:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T06:15:55 < dongs> yea but your shitsoft takes like a month to show right click menu 2018-01-26T06:15:58 < dongs> cuz it draws it pixel by pixel 2018-01-26T06:16:03 < dongs> using GDI technology from 1995 2018-01-26T06:27:04 < dongs> orcuck is everything but fast 2018-01-26T06:27:20 < dongs> to do anything it requires lots of bullshit steps 2018-01-26T06:27:22 < dongs> and non-intuitive 2018-01-26T06:29:00 < stvn> i've never used it 2018-01-26T06:49:52 < stvn> hi sir 2018-01-26T06:50:35 < stvn> pspice was good 2018-01-26T07:08:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-26T07:20:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T07:25:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-26T07:32:15 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T07:35:27 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T07:35:30 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-26T07:45:57 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T07:47:52 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-26T07:49:20 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T07:51:35 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-26T08:25:12 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/images/default-source/default-album/ac69_fpmarks7f523af788736c26abc1ff00001d2c02.png?sfvrsn=0 2018-01-26T08:27:47 < MrMobius> party in ##programming 2018-01-26T08:38:10 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T08:40:27 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:01:19 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-26T09:04:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:08:57 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:10:03 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-26T09:15:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-26T09:16:55 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:29:32 < jsoft> Really? They use dongles ? 2018-01-26T09:29:40 < jsoft> I thought that shit was 1990s shit 2018-01-26T09:33:43 < MrMobius> guys i have a test pattern on my LCD and button reading and its only 12k 2018-01-26T09:34:27 < MrMobius> so efficient 2018-01-26T09:39:00 < dongs> http://lodev.org/cgtutor/xortexture.html this is the best LCD test pattern 2018-01-26T09:41:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-10e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:41:21 < MrMobius> fancy 2018-01-26T09:41:38 < dongs> its easy as shit to make too 2018-01-26T09:48:41 < zyp> MrMobius, 12k flash size? 2018-01-26T09:49:12 < MrMobius> 32k 2018-01-26T09:49:23 < zyp> I mean, you said only 12k 2018-01-26T09:49:25 < MrMobius> I have room for one and half more test patterns 2018-01-26T09:49:43 < MrMobius> being sarcastic 2018-01-26T09:49:57 < MrMobius> thats an obnoxiously huge file for what it is doing 2018-01-26T09:50:20 < zyp> okay, your sarcasm weren't being very obvious 2018-01-26T09:50:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:51:42 < MrMobius> my bad 2018-01-26T09:51:46 < zyp> dongs, very kawaii 2018-01-26T09:51:48 < MrMobius> not much serious talk here sir 2018-01-26T09:52:09 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:52:43 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T09:55:10 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T09:55:17 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-26T10:16:29 -!- Drzacek [~Drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T10:18:25 < kakimir> if datasheet says ADC impendance 2018-01-26T10:18:43 < kakimir> if I do vdiv calculation 2018-01-26T10:19:13 < kakimir> can I concider it as paraller resistor to ground with my low side div resistor? 2018-01-26T10:24:52 < polygon> Hello 2018-01-26T10:25:57 < polygon> Do you all keep at least one russian girl in your basement? 2018-01-26T10:26:21 < MrMobius> Laurenceb is your man for that kind of thing 2018-01-26T10:29:18 < kakimir> that is accurate 2018-01-26T10:30:14 < MrMobius> or maybe more dolphins 2018-01-26T10:30:25 -!- pulsar [~PLS@2a01:4f8:130:4029::1:7] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T10:30:59 < kakimir> vaporware 2018-01-26T10:31:05 < polygon> MrMobius: and how about squids? 2018-01-26T10:31:16 < kakimir> anyone experience with automotive electricity? 2018-01-26T10:32:01 < kakimir> I have low impendance path to high side switches and I need to throw some TVS diodes into it to protect them switches 2018-01-26T10:32:08 < MrMobius> polygon, I dont see why not 2018-01-26T10:32:24 < kakimir> polyglot 2018-01-26T10:32:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-10e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T10:33:03 < polygon> kakimir: not sure about what you want 2018-01-26T10:33:37 < kakimir> clamp 2018-01-26T10:34:22 < polygon> i should start soldering the gps 2018-01-26T10:34:41 < polygon> kakimir: clamp, but wat and why ;) 2018-01-26T10:34:58 < kakimir> power rail to switches 2018-01-26T10:36:00 < BrainDamage> if you don't specify you want a tvs, but they have finite energy they can conduct before they blow up 2018-01-26T10:36:43 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-26T10:36:45 < kakimir> I know 2018-01-26T10:37:03 < BrainDamage> I'm pretty sure there's plenty application notes for automotive power line filtering 2018-01-26T10:37:32 < BrainDamage> you'll likely need lc filtering pairing with it 2018-01-26T10:39:20 < polygon> BrainDamage: sounds sensible ;) 2018-01-26T10:39:59 < polygon> Transients still go high and stuff blows up with a properly rated TVS 2018-01-26T10:40:17 < kakimir> I look at some designs and there is mov -> L -> tvs 2018-01-26T10:40:45 < polygon> Nothing clamps 500A at 15.6V :) 2018-01-26T10:41:00 < polygon> while allowing operation at 15.0V 2018-01-26T10:41:14 < kakimir> my concideration is to clamp at 40V 2018-01-26T10:41:34 < kakimir> and operation around 14,4 and 28,8V 2018-01-26T10:41:55 < polygon> kakimir: same applies but multiply by 2 2018-01-26T10:42:01 < kakimir> I have own filtering for regulator too 2018-01-26T10:42:17 < kakimir> PTC + R + C + TVS 2018-01-26T10:42:57 < BrainDamage> mov will behave like ptc, just less linear ( better ) 2018-01-26T10:43:20 < polygon> So TVS is good at arresting lightning bolts coupled in the electronics, anything slower can then be dealed with a clamp circuit 2018-01-26T10:43:27 < kakimir> you mean NTC BrainDamage ? 2018-01-26T10:43:33 < BrainDamage> mov before tvs acts as resettable fuse trippled by tvs, to protect tvs when it's tripped for extended amount of time 2018-01-26T10:43:37 < BrainDamage> no, ptc 2018-01-26T10:43:42 < polygon> over-voltage for example can be dealt with a crowbar and a fuse 2018-01-26T10:43:58 < BrainDamage> you want a resistor that increases when temp goes up 2018-01-26T10:44:18 < polygon> i don't but i have used one recently 2018-01-26T10:44:44 < jsoft> You're a crow bar fuse 2018-01-26T10:44:47 < polygon> damned psu didnt work with a dc brushed motor on it because of the surge 2018-01-26T10:44:50 < BrainDamage> T \propto P = RI^2 2018-01-26T10:45:21 < jsoft> Power equals money squared 2018-01-26T10:45:28 < polygon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_%28circuit%29 2018-01-26T10:46:38 < polygon> save this in the FilesysteminUserSpacE folder lol 2018-01-26T10:49:32 < kakimir> I think I need a crowbar 2018-01-26T10:50:09 -!- Drzacek [~Drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-26T10:50:20 < kakimir> looks also not as expensive than stuffing the device with MOVs and TVSes 2018-01-26T10:50:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T10:50:32 < kakimir> but I still need a TVS too right? 2018-01-26T10:50:48 < kakimir> crowbar wont's catch the transient at first 2018-01-26T10:51:00 < BrainDamage> crowbar is slow 2018-01-26T10:51:04 < polygon> kakimir: yeah, theey work together, TVS can grab the lightning spike, then LC filter, then crowbar 2018-01-26T10:51:20 < BrainDamage> but again, search for an appnote 2018-01-26T10:51:26 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-26T10:51:31 < BrainDamage> don't guess, someone else went there and burned a few circuits 2018-01-26T10:51:36 < kakimir> crowbar wont stop until something fuses? 2018-01-26T10:51:44 < polygon> no 2018-01-26T10:51:46 < polygon> :> 2018-01-26T10:51:52 < kakimir> not an option 2018-01-26T10:51:57 < polygon> it is a large triac 2018-01-26T10:52:03 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-26T10:52:19 < kakimir> same thing with fet would prob do 2018-01-26T10:52:28 < polygon> why would it stop? they connected 48V to your 12V circuit 2018-01-26T10:52:32 < BrainDamage> well, *something* will have to fuse 2018-01-26T10:53:03 < BrainDamage> it's better if it's the shit that it was designed for rather than a component on board 2018-01-26T10:53:06 < kakimir> polygon, there is transients mainly and in some rare case someone could connect the device to 48V or so 2018-01-26T10:53:10 < polygon> better yet, plugged it in 230V AC lel 2018-01-26T10:53:26 < BrainDamage> if someone connects it to 48 it's not a transient 2018-01-26T10:53:34 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-26T10:53:38 < BrainDamage> it's sustained overvoltage 2018-01-26T10:53:41 < kakimir> it still needs to blow the fuse first 2018-01-26T10:53:45 < BrainDamage> you cannot pretend it's a transient 2018-01-26T10:53:48 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-26T10:53:59 < polygon> kakimir: it does, there is the fuse in the circuit schematic 2018-01-26T10:54:10 < polygon> that curly wire 2018-01-26T10:54:37 -!- Jacky [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T10:54:52 < BrainDamage> and no, you cannot use a resettable fuse for crowbar trip 2018-01-26T10:55:01 -!- Jacky is now known as Guest65900 2018-01-26T10:55:02 < kakimir> yeag 2018-01-26T10:55:19 < kakimir> 50amp low impendance resetable fuse 2018-01-26T10:55:26 < BrainDamage> no 2018-01-26T10:55:33 < BrainDamage> you want a regular fuse 2018-01-26T10:55:34 < kakimir> I mean my switches are below 10mOhm 2018-01-26T10:55:40 < polygon> kakimir: only if it vaporizes fully 2018-01-26T10:55:59 < BrainDamage> no resettable fuse, which means no ptc no mov, no nothing 2018-01-26T10:56:02 < kakimir> we need to desing vaporize fully function to this device 2018-01-26T10:56:05 < BrainDamage> a piece of wire that blows up 2018-01-26T10:56:36 < polygon> kakimir: i think it will in a few seconds, but it might smell bad 2018-01-26T10:56:37 < BrainDamage> which means a non resettable fuse 2018-01-26T10:56:44 < polygon> a fuse is cleaner 2018-01-26T10:58:50 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-26T11:01:48 < MrMobius> do I have to do any sort of magic to get 2018-01-26T11:01:51 < MrMobius> woops 2018-01-26T11:02:28 < MrMobius> do I have to do any sort of magic to get gcc not to take up memory in an object when it is a constant that only gets used in the constructor once? 2018-01-26T11:02:44 < MrMobius> shouldnt it optimize and not keep all that shit in memory wasting my tiny RAM? 2018-01-26T11:03:03 < BrainDamage> static const 2018-01-26T11:03:52 < polygon> atmega can read from progmem 2018-01-26T11:04:07 < polygon> stm32 can probably 2018-01-26T11:04:30 < qyx> static const 2018-01-26T11:07:40 < polygon> this? #define FLASH _Pragma("location=\"FLASH\"") 2018-01-26T11:08:10 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-26T11:08:18 < qyx> no, there is no progmem and flash shit needed 2018-01-26T11:08:23 < PaulFertser> polygon: stm32 has flat von neumann memory model, no need for any tricks or pragmas. 2018-01-26T11:08:43 < qyx> just define the thing as const properly and it will be included in the .text section 2018-01-26T11:08:51 < polygon> PaulFertser: what is the syntax to store stuff in flash ? 2018-01-26T11:09:03 < PaulFertser> Well, in fact the bus used to access flash is not the same as RAM, so there's some difference to plain von neumann, but still. 2018-01-26T11:09:10 < qyx> const char foo = "bar"; 2018-01-26T11:09:13 < PaulFertser> polygon: you just declare it const. 2018-01-26T11:09:34 < polygon> PaulFertser: but that means c will automatically load it in ram at start 2018-01-26T11:09:38 < PaulFertser> And static is needed for global data and functions so that they can be optimised better. 2018-01-26T11:09:48 < qyx> no. 2018-01-26T11:09:50 < PaulFertser> polygon: no, const data doesn't get copied anywhere. 2018-01-26T11:09:53 < qyx> .data != .bss != .text 2018-01-26T11:10:38 < PaulFertser> Too bad C and C++ do not use "static" by default for globals. 2018-01-26T11:10:51 < polygon> arm automagically uses progmem_read() for consts? 2018-01-26T11:11:43 < qyx> no, there is no such thing like progmem 2018-01-26T11:12:07 < BrainDamage> remember it's a mcu arch 2018-01-26T11:12:14 < polygon> it has flash 2018-01-26T11:12:25 < BrainDamage> the flash where progmem resides is just part of the memory bank 2018-01-26T11:12:49 < BrainDamage> no special magic or anything, just an address range 2018-01-26T11:13:11 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-65-86.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T11:13:12 < qyx> also, it can execute code from ram 2018-01-26T11:13:29 < polygon> http://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/retrieving-string-progmem 2018-01-26T11:13:31 < qyx> not only from the flash 2018-01-26T11:13:38 < polygon> on atmegas it works like this 2018-01-26T11:14:05 < polygon> so stuff won't get put in ram 2018-01-26T11:14:07 < PaulFertser> polygon: atmega is "harvard", has different address spaces for data and code. 2018-01-26T11:14:36 < PaulFertser> polygon: cortex-m has just one address space (but latency to flash and ram differs of course) 2018-01-26T11:14:57 < polygon> PaulFertser: it sounds cool that none of this magic is needed 2018-01-26T11:15:09 < PaulFertser> polygon: sometimes for fast and predictable execution functions are copied to ram and executed from there. 2018-01-26T11:15:27 < BrainDamage> x86 is the same fwiw 2018-01-26T11:16:07 < polygon> i did not notice anything on pc, but everything is cached in ram from hdd 2018-01-26T11:16:33 < BrainDamage> that's because there's a crapload of abstraction layers on the mem on the sw side 2018-01-26T11:16:43 < BrainDamage> namely the kernel 2018-01-26T11:16:48 < polygon> yea wasting ram lol 2018-01-26T11:17:16 < BrainDamage> if you think cache policies are wasting ram, you should try to write a few yourself 2018-01-26T11:17:16 < polygon> my system runs from ram btw 2018-01-26T11:17:42 < PaulFertser> polygon: oh yeah, avr is a pain, I'm so glad I do not have to pgm_read_ptr, PGM_P etc... 2018-01-26T11:17:45 < polygon> i have squashed root and copied on ramdisk ~3.5GB 2018-01-26T11:18:25 < BrainDamage> cache doesn't include just progmem 2018-01-26T11:18:32 < polygon> root disk is now 16GB/s 2018-01-26T11:19:16 < BrainDamage> open htop or whatever favourite loonix system monitor you use and look at cache allocation 2018-01-26T11:19:39 < BrainDamage> by default all unused ram in lunix is available to cache, reclaimed on necessity 2018-01-26T11:19:44 < polygon> enter free 2018-01-26T11:20:13 < BrainDamage> you'll find even on a freshly booted system a decent fraction will be allocated to caches 2018-01-26T11:20:17 < polygon> feah looks used up all the time 2018-01-26T11:22:04 < MrMobius> could you guys see if I could be doing this pin class better: https://pastebin.com/DwA5vJpp interesting part is lines 39-67 2018-01-26T11:22:33 < MrMobius> hard to tell from optimizations but it looks like each pin takes up about 20 bytes. isnt that a lot for what im doing? 2018-01-26T11:34:21 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T11:37:00 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-26T11:37:05 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-26T11:37:20 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T11:39:47 < karlp> I'm more concerned by lines 71 onwards. 2018-01-26T11:39:53 < karlp> the hell are you doing? 2018-01-26T11:41:31 < MrMobius> if you want to set a pin to output you have to go to the datasheet and check which bit of its configuration register that is 2018-01-26T11:41:38 < MrMobius> there is no generic way to set that up 2018-01-26T11:42:23 < MrMobius> second their naming convention is not just P1_2. you have to remember what else it does like RESET_PIO0_0 and SWCLK_PIO0_10 2018-01-26T11:42:33 < karlp> you're insane :) 2018-01-26T11:42:40 < MrMobius> hehe 2018-01-26T11:42:49 < karlp> your PinGPIO_Pins enum is absolute madness 2018-01-26T11:42:52 < MrMobius> how would you do it? I was spending a long time in the user manual 2018-01-26T11:43:04 < karlp> 12 on 0, and 10 on 1? 2018-01-26T11:43:05 < karlp> wat? 2018-01-26T11:43:29 < karlp> what target are yo on? 2018-01-26T11:43:33 < MrMobius> thats whats in the datasheet 2018-01-26T11:43:45 < MrMobius> nxp lpc1114 garbage 2018-01-26T11:44:08 < karlp> well, there's your problem right there :) 2018-01-26T11:44:16 < MrMobius> :) 2018-01-26T11:44:16 < karlp> and ok, no wonder it was looking like madness 2018-01-26T11:44:26 < kakimir> lpc1111! 2018-01-26T11:44:35 < kakimir> who is using that for what? 2018-01-26T11:44:44 < MrMobius> im using it to amuse myself 2018-01-26T11:44:50 < MrMobius> amuse/torture 2018-01-26T11:46:29 < MrMobius> maybe its better to just make constant aliases for their absurd naming scheme 2018-01-26T11:46:44 < MrMobius> and have a C style function to do initlialization 2018-01-26T12:01:58 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-26T12:03:25 < kakimir> what is you problem with it? 2018-01-26T12:03:37 < kakimir> just asking as I plan to use it in product 2018-01-26T12:03:48 < kakimir> no timecube or some actual problem? 2018-01-26T12:03:56 < MrMobius> well I want credit if it crashes and kills people 2018-01-26T12:04:08 < kakimir> trying to use ROM API? 2018-01-26T12:04:20 < kakimir> if there even was any in it :/ 2018-01-26T12:04:43 < kakimir> why would it crash and why are you using it to keep people alive? 2018-01-26T12:05:06 < kakimir> why don't you have hw based safe guards then? 2018-01-26T12:05:09 < MrMobius> only 4k ram on the chip and its using 320 bytes just to flip GPIOs. I was hoping it would optimize down to just the 3 variables on lines 42-44 which would only be 12*16=192 bytes 2018-01-26T12:05:35 < kakimir> bitbangin something? 2018-01-26T12:05:51 < MrMobius> I was hoping you were going to use it in life support or some shit 2018-01-26T12:05:51 < karlp> if you're insisting on c++ stuff, perhaps look at how zyp did it in laks? 2018-01-26T12:06:08 < MrMobius> not insisting actually 2018-01-26T12:06:08 < karlp> or zypsnips/c++hacktastical.list 2018-01-26T12:06:23 < karlp> and if youð've got alink for this, I can add you to the list too :) 2018-01-26T12:06:36 < MrMobius> if i just use constant addresses i think it will take 0 ram. I was just hoping gcc could optimize it down to that :( 2018-01-26T12:07:59 < MrMobius> laks? 2018-01-26T12:08:17 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T12:09:04 < MrMobius> I got it to optimize everything down on https://godbolt.org/ with gcc for x86 2018-01-26T12:09:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T12:11:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T12:11:14 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2018-01-26T12:14:59 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-27-60.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T12:17:40 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-27-60.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T12:18:40 < dongs> what the fuck is that trash MrMobius 2018-01-26T12:19:20 < dongs> oh LPC 2018-01-26T12:25:17 < polygon> MrMobius: do you even macro ? Some functional logic in C's macro (gcc) lazycode https://pastebin.com/v1wEu4Xd Macro Magic in C (gcc), functional logic, polymorphism https://pastebin.com/z0sw6hK7 foreach() array in C ;) (gcc) https://pastebin.com/B0DBzNYp Si/IEC prefixes printf(value) and symbol in C https://pastebin.com/eEX68wt9 C point and vector structs/types https://pastebin.com/Vb1XLszP 2018-01-26T12:26:19 < kakimir> is there any reason to stay within ranges of smallest standard resistor groups when producing a device? 2018-01-26T12:26:26 < kakimir> chinasupply 2018-01-26T12:26:58 < kakimir> or pick any resistor any size from any E*** standard? 2018-01-26T12:27:06 < kakimir> and doesn't matter too much 2018-01-26T12:27:17 < polygon> i use procision resistors where i need to 2018-01-26T12:27:38 < polygon> for led driving you don't need 0.1% 2018-01-26T12:27:56 < kakimir> I use 1% at this part of circuit 2018-01-26T12:29:10 < kakimir> leds for CRT 2018-01-26T12:31:42 < polygon> this https://hackaday.io/project/6356-delta-sigma-versus-pwm 2018-01-26T12:32:05 < polygon> tft 2018-01-26T12:32:15 < polygon> leds for tft 2018-01-26T12:35:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T12:56:53 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-26T12:59:16 < dongs> < polygon> macros are for faggots. 2018-01-26T13:00:43 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T13:00:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T13:03:10 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Excess Flood] 2018-01-26T13:03:26 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T13:16:40 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T13:33:49 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T13:34:29 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-26T13:48:39 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T13:49:35 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T13:51:30 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-26T13:52:10 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T13:52:14 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-26T13:53:23 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T13:57:59 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:00:18 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T14:00:20 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-26T14:02:07 < polygon> Lazard - 4 O'clock in the morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esx6UyfPIgE 2018-01-26T14:02:28 < polygon> night has changed nick to day 2018-01-26T14:08:09 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T14:10:59 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:17:46 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-26T14:21:40 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:23:48 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@104.235.205.88] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:26:45 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-26T14:31:44 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:39:23 < dongs> is that going to be better than pulse code modulation 2018-01-26T14:41:20 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T14:45:04 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:45:52 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T14:45:59 < polygon> dongs: JizzBuzz revised https://pastebin.com/TnNryUxN 2018-01-26T14:46:30 < dongs> what can i say? shitty indentation, shitty coding style, shitty spacing. 2018-01-26T14:46:39 < dongs> you'll fit right in with laurence/b/ code 2018-01-26T14:47:26 < dongs> https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/765551435449963824.png this looks neat however 2018-01-26T14:48:16 < dongs> but im not sure this is going to work any better than PCM/binary code modulation 2018-01-26T14:48:31 -!- Guest8 [995c7f96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.153.92.127.150] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:48:45 -!- Guest8 is now known as Laurenceb_ 2018-01-26T14:49:09 * Laurenceb_ has an idea for his database issue 2018-01-26T14:49:28 < dongs> 21:46 < dongs> you'll fit right in with laurence/b/ code 2018-01-26T14:49:33 < dongs> 21:48 -!- Guest8 is now known as Laurenceb_ 2018-01-26T14:49:37 < dongs> pretty good timing bro 2018-01-26T14:49:49 < Laurenceb_> store data in wav files with unique id, then store details and metadata in database 2018-01-26T14:49:50 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T14:49:51 < Laurenceb_> simples 2018-01-26T14:49:59 < Laurenceb_> what codez is this? 2018-01-26T14:50:07 < dongs> his "revised" jizzbuzz 2018-01-26T14:50:16 < Laurenceb_> who? 2018-01-26T14:50:34 < dongs> < polygon> dongs: JizzBuzz revised https://pastebin.com/TnNryUxN 2018-01-26T14:50:36 < dongs> this dude. 2018-01-26T14:50:47 < Laurenceb_> anyway, sticking raw data into time series database is retarded 2018-01-26T14:51:05 < Laurenceb_> just use unique names wav files and tiny database for the metadata 2018-01-26T14:51:09 < Laurenceb_> *named 2018-01-26T14:51:46 < Laurenceb_> use rsync to share the data 2018-01-26T14:51:55 < dongs> fantastic opensores 2018-01-26T14:51:58 < dongs> k gonna head out 2018-01-26T14:52:17 < Laurenceb_> PostgreSQL for the database 2018-01-26T14:52:40 < Laurenceb_> it only has to store metadata and name for each file 2018-01-26T14:53:14 < BrainDamage> sigma delta guarantees to have perfect reconstruction in terms of nyquist with a single lowpass filter unlike pwm, howrever sigma delta has bullshit such as pattern noise and nonflat quantization noise that, ofc for a led, none of that matters 2018-01-26T14:55:54 < Laurenceb_> this looks ok https://www.2ndquadrant.com/en/resources/pglogical/ 2018-01-26T14:56:11 < BrainDamage> or better, unless you're making an high quality pixel driver ic, which would make me question why you're here, the relevance is directly proportional to the position over the 'spectrum scale you're in 2018-01-26T14:56:34 < Laurenceb_> why would anyone attempt to use timescaledb or similar for this... 2018-01-26T14:56:46 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:56:46 < BrainDamage> wat are you trying to do sql servers 2018-01-26T14:57:09 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: lots of ambulances recording vibration data at ~2kHz 2018-01-26T14:57:16 < Laurenceb_> with about 100channels each 2018-01-26T14:57:23 < Laurenceb_> with metadata for each recording 2018-01-26T14:57:33 < Laurenceb_> I need to send the data back to central store 2018-01-26T14:58:18 < BrainDamage> i wonder if insurance could use the data in case of accident 2018-01-26T14:58:20 < Laurenceb_> so atm my plan is: wav files stored on the ambulances with unique names, then rsync to send the files back, and postgresql database for file names and metadata 2018-01-26T14:58:22 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-26T14:58:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T14:58:46 < Laurenceb_> looks like I could use pglogical to sync the databases 2018-01-26T14:58:49 < BrainDamage> it should actually give pretty decent spatial information on location and extent of hit 2018-01-26T14:59:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah it stupid overkill for vibration exposure monitoring 2018-01-26T14:59:19 < Laurenceb_> but I get paid to do this shit so... 2018-01-26T15:00:02 < Laurenceb_> I was looking at time series database benchmarks 2018-01-26T15:00:24 < Laurenceb_> even timescaledb would eat most of the cpu on the laptop if it had to eat the data in real time 2018-01-26T15:00:43 < BrainDamage> why not simply save the metadata on plain text files 2018-01-26T15:00:52 < Laurenceb_> the whole idea was stupid, I can write a wav file with a few percent of cpu 2018-01-26T15:01:04 < BrainDamage> do you need search / indexing functionality on metadata? 2018-01-26T15:01:06 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yeah but I want an SQL database at the central point 2018-01-26T15:01:08 < Laurenceb_> yes 2018-01-26T15:01:32 < BrainDamage> k, consider adding redundancy to files anyway for practicality 2018-01-26T15:01:53 < BrainDamage> because if you want to access a single recording, you should be able to get all the data without sql bullshit 2018-01-26T15:01:54 < Laurenceb_> yeah they will remain on the laptop on each ambulance 2018-01-26T15:02:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-26T15:02:25 < Laurenceb_> also I've been asked to do it with rapeberry pi 2018-01-26T15:02:40 < Laurenceb_> no way timescaledb would run in real time on that 2018-01-26T15:02:50 < Laurenceb_> with >100 channels at 2kHz 2018-01-26T15:03:26 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-26T15:03:40 < Laurenceb_> it can only manage 2M samples/s on a xeon server 2018-01-26T15:04:36 < polygon> do it on an atmega 2018-01-26T15:05:09 < Laurenceb_> kek 2018-01-26T15:05:16 < Laurenceb_> probably possible with wav 2018-01-26T15:05:52 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T15:05:54 < polygon> i don't know how you get 2MSPS adc though 2018-01-26T15:06:26 < Laurenceb_> polygon: the data comes from lots of usb sensors 2018-01-26T15:06:38 < Laurenceb_> each one is ten channels at 2kHz 2018-01-26T15:06:58 < Laurenceb_> metadata is stuff like when equiptment the sensors are installed on etc 2018-01-26T15:07:02 < polygon> btw atmel is sold to microchip, it is nrnd 2018-01-26T15:07:10 < Laurenceb_> wait wut 2018-01-26T15:07:15 < Laurenceb_> atmega is nrnd? 2018-01-26T15:07:22 < polygon> y 2018-01-26T15:07:28 < Laurenceb_> M Y S I D E S 2018-01-26T15:07:37 < Laurenceb_> makers btfo 2018-01-26T15:07:59 < BrainDamage> well, to be fair atmegas are more sane than pic 2018-01-26T15:08:04 < polygon> you can still get microchip atmegas to play with 2018-01-26T15:08:11 < Laurenceb_> Micheal Jackson popcorn.gif 2018-01-26T15:08:28 < BrainDamage> but it's like chosing between hanging and drowning when there's cortex-m 2018-01-26T15:08:33 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-26T15:08:48 < polygon> https://www.microchip.com/announcements/microchip-technology-inc-acquires-atmel 2018-01-26T15:08:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah I knew about the takeover 2018-01-26T15:09:02 < Laurenceb_> not the nrnd 2018-01-26T15:09:20 * Laurenceb_ now has to write a R E P O R T 2018-01-26T15:09:22 < polygon> NRND is Not Recommended for New Designs 2018-01-26T15:09:27 < Laurenceb_> I know 2018-01-26T15:09:35 < Laurenceb_> this jerb is idiotic 2018-01-26T15:09:40 < Steffanx> Someone is getting trolled 2018-01-26T15:09:50 < Laurenceb_> >all decisions documented 2018-01-26T15:10:00 < Laurenceb_> > all in reports 2018-01-26T15:10:10 < BrainDamage> iso 9001 certification? 2018-01-26T15:10:18 < Laurenceb_> no just autism 2018-01-26T15:10:30 < Steffanx> Give me some proof polygon 2018-01-26T15:10:45 < polygon> i have nothing to do with microchip 2018-01-26T15:10:51 < Laurenceb_> this time series database shit was someones pet project 2018-01-26T15:11:06 < Laurenceb_> using wav files and metadata database will result in epic rage 2018-01-26T15:11:16 < Laurenceb_> popcorn.gif 2018-01-26T15:11:39 < Steffanx> But who/what is your source for thr nrnd? Or is this a personal opinion? 2018-01-26T15:11:44 < Steffanx> @ polygon 2018-01-26T15:12:39 < Laurenceb_> apparently we have to do a "user needs" assessment for the data collection G.U.I. 2018-01-26T15:12:46 < Laurenceb_> full retard 2018-01-26T15:12:46 < polygon> Steffanx: NRND is my note, i saw pic controllers fail bad and be recalled 2018-01-26T15:13:03 < BrainDamage> is it a visual basic gui? 2018-01-26T15:13:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah, it will track to ip address 2018-01-26T15:13:42 < BrainDamage> well, proper gui design isn't trivial, and i think it's everyone's experience here that coders do awful work at gui design 2018-01-26T15:13:51 < Laurenceb_> I know 2018-01-26T15:14:02 < BrainDamage> mostly because the moment you assume your user is 'skilled' then you go lazy 2018-01-26T15:14:08 < Laurenceb_> and there is no way I'm going to redesign the gui a bazillion times 2018-01-26T15:14:10 < branjb> lol 2018-01-26T15:14:20 < Laurenceb_> as Qt glue code is a pain 2018-01-26T15:14:24 < polygon> Steffanx: Atmel was an industrial thing, now its future is uncertain with microchip 2018-01-26T15:14:34 < Laurenceb_> or mor elikely I just dont have the skillz 2018-01-26T15:14:41 < branjb> GUI design is easy, not my problem 90% of people want a fancy gui over a functional one 2018-01-26T15:14:52 < Laurenceb_> I can do it if I sit down and draw a diagram of the architecture first 2018-01-26T15:15:09 < Laurenceb_> ripping it all up then hazoring shit together again drives me mad 2018-01-26T15:15:18 < BrainDamage> branjb: even functional guis, have you ever used linux guis? 2018-01-26T15:15:26 < Laurenceb_> and thats what will happen if I write any gui shit at this point 2018-01-26T15:15:40 < Laurenceb_> atm my plan is two buttons 2018-01-26T15:15:46 < Laurenceb_> no, one button 2018-01-26T15:15:50 < Laurenceb_> start/stop 2018-01-26T15:16:04 < Laurenceb_> the end 2018-01-26T15:16:28 < BrainDamage> with 4M can't you just fucking offload it 2018-01-26T15:16:57 < Laurenceb_> although there should probably be a metadata entry form and a sensor self test indicator panel 2018-01-26T15:17:05 < BrainDamage> one less orgy for the managers, one more objective met 2018-01-26T15:17:09 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: I already suggested that, but apparently its my jerb 2018-01-26T15:17:31 < zyp> I made a bootloader gui for workstuff some weeks ago 2018-01-26T15:17:40 < Laurenceb_> I've already be asked to produce live plots and other overcomplex shit 2018-01-26T15:17:57 < Laurenceb_> >because ambulance staff are trained to evaluate this 2018-01-26T15:18:17 < Laurenceb_> >writing bootload gui, not just using dfu 2018-01-26T15:18:34 < zyp> it has three buttons: "open firmware file", "scan for devices" and "write firmware", then a list of found devices and a textbox with log output 2018-01-26T15:18:44 < zyp> this is ethernet, not usb 2018-01-26T15:18:44 < Laurenceb_> heh sounds about right 2018-01-26T15:18:47 < Laurenceb_> ah 2018-01-26T15:19:23 < Laurenceb_> so far I have a list of sensors and connect button 2018-01-26T15:19:32 < Laurenceb_> in about 30 lines of Qt 2018-01-26T15:19:36 < Laurenceb_> this shit is pretty hawt 2018-01-26T15:20:14 < Laurenceb_> cant see a cross platform way to sync multiple sensors atm :S 2018-01-26T15:20:21 < Laurenceb_> so my plan is a nasty hack 2018-01-26T15:20:37 < Laurenceb_> 1 - start QElapsedTimer 2018-01-26T15:20:52 < BrainDamage> can't the sensors timestamp the data 2018-01-26T15:21:07 < Laurenceb_> 2 - connect devices with stateChanged callback on actual connection 2018-01-26T15:21:08 < BrainDamage> then aligning client side doesn't have requirements from the os 2018-01-26T15:21:15 < Laurenceb_> 3 - in callback read the timer 2018-01-26T15:21:33 < Laurenceb_> 4 - once devices are all connected, test for > ~300µs timing difference 2018-01-26T15:21:48 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IZ5Sa.png <- shit looks like this 2018-01-26T15:21:49 < Laurenceb_> 5 - if there isnt, all ok, otherwise disconnect and retry 2018-01-26T15:22:04 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: but how would the device know the time? 2018-01-26T15:22:18 < BrainDamage> you broadcast on the sensor network 2018-01-26T15:22:21 < Laurenceb_> I sync all the devices to integer 1ms using usb sof 2018-01-26T15:22:23 < BrainDamage> from the pc 2018-01-26T15:22:44 < Laurenceb_> but they might connect either side of a 1ms "tick" 2018-01-26T15:23:02 < zyp> Laurenceb_, you know you can read out the SOF number as well? 2018-01-26T15:23:04 < Laurenceb_> so by looking at the connection callback I can test for that 2018-01-26T15:23:21 < Laurenceb_> zyp: wait wut.. 2018-01-26T15:23:26 < Laurenceb_> how many bits? 2018-01-26T15:23:35 < zyp> SOF token has a number that increments for every frame 2018-01-26T15:23:56 < Laurenceb_> oh interesting, but how many bits of resolution? 2018-01-26T15:24:01 < zyp> don't remember how many bits, it wraps fairly quickly 2018-01-26T15:24:13 < zyp> but the interesting part is that you can read it out from a register in the usb periph 2018-01-26T15:24:16 < Laurenceb_> as long as it has two or more 2018-01-26T15:24:22 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2018-01-26T15:24:29 < zyp> yeah, it's something like 5 or 7 or whatever 2018-01-26T15:24:35 < Laurenceb_> I could sent it as the first sample following connection 2018-01-26T15:24:46 < Laurenceb_> nice, thanks for the info 2018-01-26T15:24:50 < zyp> 11 actually 2018-01-26T15:25:10 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2018-01-26T15:25:27 < Laurenceb_> but what if the devices get differing number of SOF during hub initialisation? 2018-01-26T15:25:44 < zyp> just be careful about the race between getting a SOF pulse and reading the SOF register 2018-01-26T15:26:02 < Laurenceb_> QElapsedTimer seems to work on my lunix box, I get a couple of hundred µs jitter worst case, so <<1ms 2018-01-26T15:26:20 < Laurenceb_> but its a bit of a nasty hack, so if i could use sof number that would be nicer 2018-01-26T15:27:04 < zyp> I mean, you could just enable SOF interrupt, and read out the SOF register when you get the interrupt, that way you know you read the register just after it has been updated 2018-01-26T15:27:05 < Laurenceb_> I'm worried that one sensor might see more SOF than another due to hub initialisation weirdness 2018-01-26T15:27:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-26T15:27:29 < Laurenceb_> but if hub turns on one port first... 2018-01-26T15:27:33 < BrainDamage> that'd be a static number tough 2018-01-26T15:27:42 < zyp> if you're feeding the SOF pulse to a timer, you could also enable the timer from that interrupt, and store which SOF number you enabled the timer at 2018-01-26T15:27:46 < BrainDamage> you can simple record SOF once you get the first sample 2018-01-26T15:28:11 < zyp> BrainDamage, point is just to avoid races 2018-01-26T15:30:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [995c7f96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.153.92.127.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-26T15:40:15 -!- Guest10 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T15:40:24 -!- Guest10 is now known as Laurenceb_ 2018-01-26T15:40:32 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-26T15:40:39 < Laurenceb_> zyp: ok I see now, SOF actually includes a frame number 2018-01-26T15:40:43 < Laurenceb_> this is very cool 2018-01-26T15:41:05 < Laurenceb_> this solves most sync issues straight away, thanks 2018-01-26T15:41:32 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T15:41:48 < zyp> the whole SOF mechanism seems designed on purpose to allow synchronizing stuff across multiple devices 2018-01-26T15:42:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2018-01-26T15:45:17 < Laurenceb_> so first temperature sample will be the SOF number, then "GUI" code can just drop some samples to align the devices 2018-01-26T15:45:20 < Laurenceb_> simples 2018-01-26T15:45:53 < polygon> so what is up with asians in the basement? 2018-01-26T15:45:54 < Laurenceb_> although I've yet to see misaligned devices on my linux desktop 2018-01-26T15:46:00 < Laurenceb_> Qt connects too fast 2018-01-26T15:46:05 < Laurenceb_> polygon: wut 2018-01-26T15:46:09 < Laurenceb_> I'm not asian 2018-01-26T15:46:32 < polygon> so ur racist 2018-01-26T15:46:43 < Laurenceb_> correct 2018-01-26T15:47:12 < Laurenceb_> I bet on rageberry pi there could be misalignment cuz its slow with nasty usb drivers 2018-01-26T15:47:14 < polygon> Only russian ladies in basement? 2018-01-26T15:47:25 < Laurenceb_> yeah and me 2018-01-26T15:47:53 < Laurenceb_> Russian grrrl has spent 4 months writing a sim of vehicle suspension in methlab 2018-01-26T15:47:58 < Laurenceb_> I have no words... 2018-01-26T15:48:16 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: unban me plz? 2018-01-26T15:48:26 < Laurenceb_> zpn is annoying 2018-01-26T15:48:27 < polygon> pix? 2018-01-26T15:48:42 < Laurenceb_> maybe... lets check shared drives 2018-01-26T15:49:36 < Laurenceb_> hmm I'm too lazy to crop identifying info 2018-01-26T15:49:41 < Laurenceb_> but lots of this shit http://www.bcae1.com/images/gifs/leap02b.gif 2018-01-26T15:50:42 < Laurenceb_> I need a new jerb I fear 2018-01-26T15:51:34 < Laurenceb_> before I lose my 1% of remaining sanity 2018-01-26T15:53:20 < BrainDamage> 0.01 +- 0.01 (not relative) 2018-01-26T15:53:30 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-26T15:53:56 < Laurenceb_> I dont think anyone know wtf is going on here 2018-01-26T15:54:03 < Laurenceb_> something about babby shaking 2018-01-26T15:54:25 < Laurenceb_> all mental coherence has been lost 2018-01-26T15:55:34 < qyx> is it a shaking screenshot? 2018-01-26T15:56:04 < Laurenceb_> qyx: thats random audiophool shit 2018-01-26T15:56:09 < BrainDamage> do you actually want to determine if there's a relation between baby shake and vibrations and you're using ambulances because it's an inevitable side effect so you're just passively monitoring, or do you know there is one already and you want to determine if the amount of vibrations in ambulances is acceptable? 2018-01-26T15:56:18 < Laurenceb_> not that this project is any less foolish 2018-01-26T15:56:38 < BrainDamage> because i can understand overspeccing in the 1st case 2018-01-26T15:56:45 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: the idea was to look at health hazards from transporting ill patients by ambulance 2018-01-26T15:56:51 < Laurenceb_> then all coherence was lost... 2018-01-26T15:57:15 < BrainDamage> why focusing in vibrations alone then? 2018-01-26T15:57:23 < Laurenceb_> good point 2018-01-26T15:57:30 < Laurenceb_> there is also audio exposure 2018-01-26T15:57:31 < qyx> do they die independently if the transportation method? 2018-01-26T15:57:40 < qyx> of 2018-01-26T15:57:46 < Laurenceb_> but something causes significantly increased death rates following transport 2018-01-26T15:57:48 < Laurenceb_> journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0954411916680235 2018-01-26T15:58:08 < Laurenceb_> >sage 2018-01-26T15:58:36 < polygon> would you make a developer tool from a panasonic dmc fz-7 using an stm32? 2018-01-26T15:59:22 < Laurenceb_> wut 2018-01-26T15:59:46 < Laurenceb_> thats a camera? 2018-01-26T15:59:53 < polygon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC-FZ7 2018-01-26T15:59:55 < polygon> ya 2018-01-26T16:00:11 < polygon> the hardware is awesome, the brain is shit-tier 2018-01-26T16:00:19 < BrainDamage> this channel ruined me, i read lunix 3 times 2018-01-26T16:00:25 < Laurenceb_> >because stm32 is an image processor 2018-01-26T16:00:30 < Laurenceb_> heh 2018-01-26T16:01:52 < Ultrasauce> i imagine you could pull off vga @ 30fps on it 2018-01-26T16:01:55 < polygon> Laurenceb_: definitely, STM32F373VCT6 or this monster STM32F417VG 2018-01-26T16:02:24 < Laurenceb_> I dont think ur going to get anything impressive out of an stm32 2018-01-26T16:02:34 < polygon> ;< 2018-01-26T16:02:36 < Laurenceb_> image processing needs hardware acceleration 2018-01-26T16:02:46 < Laurenceb_> youd literally be better with an Rpi 2018-01-26T16:02:54 < qyx> f7/h7 maybe, but not f3 for sure 2018-01-26T16:03:26 < qyx> reminds me 2018-01-26T16:03:41 < qyx> I should finish my 360deg STM32L4 camera 2018-01-26T16:03:46 < polygon> http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f417vg.html this is already above 200 MIPS 2018-01-26T16:03:57 < Laurenceb_> who cares 2018-01-26T16:04:12 < Laurenceb_> try to work out how many MIPS you need for image processing 2018-01-26T16:04:13 < qyx> no mips will save you 2018-01-26T16:04:15 < Laurenceb_> moar liek GIPS 2018-01-26T16:04:16 < BrainDamage> are you trying to make a zanocam? 2018-01-26T16:04:18 < Laurenceb_> or TIPS 2018-01-26T16:04:26 < qyx> you are not even able to save the full picture in the sram 2018-01-26T16:04:36 < Laurenceb_> ^ 2018-01-26T16:04:40 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:04:50 < qyx> besides that, dcmi periph supports only 2048x2048 2018-01-26T16:04:57 < polygon> qyx: hmm good pint ;/ 2018-01-26T16:05:01 < BrainDamage> get a fpga if you want to be serious about this 2018-01-26T16:05:12 < Laurenceb_> j-just use a GoPro r-right..... 2018-01-26T16:05:13 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:05:20 < qyx> china gopro is like $40 2018-01-26T16:05:21 < Laurenceb_> inb4 he actually tries to 2018-01-26T16:05:32 < Laurenceb_> gofail is epically rage inducing 2018-01-26T16:05:42 < polygon> ;/ 2018-01-26T16:05:43 < Laurenceb_> totally unexpected as it run lunix 2018-01-26T16:05:56 < Laurenceb_> go ERROR 2018-01-26T16:06:05 < polygon> it is old camera btw 2018-01-26T16:06:40 < Laurenceb_> but when it doens fail epically gopro is a lunix cam with gpio and uart and stuff 2018-01-26T16:07:22 < polygon> but fz7 has 3 axis accelerometer and leica optics, and fair ccd 2018-01-26T16:07:24 < Laurenceb_> also look and chdk 2018-01-26T16:07:34 < Laurenceb_> *at 2018-01-26T16:08:54 * Laurenceb_ off to meeting 2018-01-26T16:09:10 < polygon> with russian female(s) ? 2018-01-26T16:09:43 < Laurenceb_> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/NMAcql8jbGCEuh5WkvnIaUlPcOASyb1J_kK8yk7NUzS52QHh1hEDvxsY3GZu1E7lpu0haEhE8bWXY2BoUeTaO9kXdgqRNHtVGbtp3Y8z0YG4gVxONNkJEIeT4V0a-1guJGcZLB9w 2018-01-26T16:09:58 < polygon> qyx: what device could be a camera's brain in your opinion? 2018-01-26T16:10:09 < Laurenceb_> polygon: I know right, a real grrrl? Crazy huh 2018-01-26T16:10:18 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:10:43 < polygon> Laurenceb_: ya 2018-01-26T16:11:11 < Laurenceb_> polygon spotted: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/this-is-how-i-protect-my-virginity.jpg 2018-01-26T16:11:22 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:13:25 < c10ud> polygon, you need to fiddle with usb and lots of ram, I'd go with an arm SoC 2018-01-26T16:14:47 < c10ud> I too would like to (industrially) interface high end image sensor with , I did in the past, it's just I'm too lazy to go back at messing with usb/ptp and buggy arm usb drivers 2018-01-26T16:14:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-26T16:16:18 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:17:48 < polygon> c10ud: http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32-high-performance-mcus/stm32h7-series.html so i can't store image(s) in ram ;< 2018-01-26T16:18:48 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:19:04 < polygon> let's see, external memory? 2018-01-26T16:19:53 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:20:51 < BrainDamage> you'll be limited in operations that can only fit cells that fit the ram 2018-01-26T16:21:23 < BrainDamage> and even then, when scanning over the whole pic it may become umbearably slow 2018-01-26T16:21:46 < BrainDamage> atm you're doing 'if all you have is a hammer' 2018-01-26T16:22:32 < polygon> http://www.winbond.com/hq/product/mobile-dram/low-power-sdr-sdram/?__locale=en fair? i guess? 2018-01-26T16:23:43 < polygon> ;l BrainDamage what does cameros use? fpga? 2018-01-26T16:23:48 < polygon> *a 2018-01-26T16:24:42 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:25:42 < kakimir> I need really small split core hall dc current transducer 2018-01-26T16:25:49 < kakimir> you know any? 2018-01-26T16:26:18 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:26:40 < polygon> kakimir: honeywell makes 2018-01-26T16:26:47 < kakimir> smallest I have found this far is HCT-0100 2018-01-26T16:27:39 < kakimir> I wonder if I could get really small split core seperatelly and then throw some hall sensor to it 2018-01-26T16:27:42 < polygon> there need certain diameter of wire to conduct large currents 2018-01-26T16:28:22 < polygon> kakimir: sure you can make a sensor 2018-01-26T16:28:26 -!- ou5x [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:28:33 -!- ou5x [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-26T16:28:51 < polygon> you can choose, fast or accurate 2018-01-26T16:29:11 < kakimir> sensitive and wide range 2018-01-26T16:29:19 -!- ou5x [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:29:29 < polygon> fast is a sensor, accurate is an active servo 2018-01-26T16:29:41 < kakimir> ? 2018-01-26T16:29:52 < polygon> using a hall element and a core 2018-01-26T16:30:20 < kakimir> I wonder how my ut210e has so wide range and so good precision too 2018-01-26T16:30:39 < polygon> define good 2018-01-26T16:30:44 -!- ou5x [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-26T16:30:51 < polygon> hall sensing drifts with temperature 2018-01-26T16:31:03 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:31:06 < polygon> closed loop is slower 2018-01-26T16:31:16 < polygon> still can go up kHz range. 2018-01-26T16:31:59 < kakimir> I need like a sample / second 2018-01-26T16:32:05 < kakimir> or 2 samples per second 2018-01-26T16:32:07 < polygon> then closed 2018-01-26T16:33:08 < polygon> http://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Vole-Technology/6008848497841/pdtl/Current-Sensor/1084390585.htm 2018-01-26T16:34:01 < kakimir> it absolutelly needs to be split type 2018-01-26T16:34:26 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:34:32 < kakimir> and less bulky 2018-01-26T16:34:41 < polygon> kakimir: the tech https://www.sensorsmag.com/components/universal-current-sensor 2018-01-26T16:36:14 < polygon> you just need to thread in 1000-10000 turns in a cut toroid and install your hall servo null balancer 2018-01-26T16:38:50 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-26T16:39:07 < kakimir> can I get such split core somewhere? 2018-01-26T16:39:12 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:39:48 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:39:52 < polygon> kakimir: angle grinder can make you 2018-01-26T16:40:20 < polygon> i would not split it though 2018-01-26T16:40:33 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-26T16:40:50 < polygon> thread in your 35mm² wire :P 2018-01-26T16:41:27 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:41:45 < kakimir> it absolutelly needs to be split type 2018-01-26T16:42:22 < kakimir> I need sensitivity so 100mA current can be detected in contrast to 0mA current 2018-01-26T16:42:38 < polygon> ok then you need to cut it apart fully and grind one ond down more and put hall there 2018-01-26T16:43:09 < kakimir> also it needs to detect currents up to.. 30Amps but doesn't need to measure absolute values in that range 2018-01-26T16:43:31 < kakimir> basically I just need to know if current > 100mA 2018-01-26T16:43:39 < polygon> opamps are analog, depends on your adc 2018-01-26T16:44:04 < kakimir> 30A is pretty much highest const. current we see in the lines 2018-01-26T16:44:55 < kakimir> but median would be around 5amps 2018-01-26T16:45:12 < polygon> so you are making one? 2018-01-26T16:45:37 -!- zzattack [~frank@unaffiliated/zzattack] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:45:48 < polygon> i will too, too expensive and exotic to buy 2018-01-26T16:46:27 < polygon> but the fun part will always be the winding 2018-01-26T16:46:39 < kakimir> I think budget maximum for the sensor in higher quantities would be around 5-10usd 2018-01-26T16:46:56 < polygon> they cost about 100-300 2018-01-26T16:47:26 < kakimir> I have on my table competitors sensor that can detect 400mV 2018-01-26T16:47:30 < kakimir> mA 2018-01-26T16:47:53 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:47:58 < polygon> there is always another way 2018-01-26T16:48:01 < kakimir> but there is some overcurrent problems with the product if you have too much current in wire being sensored 2018-01-26T16:48:15 < polygon> you could use a milliohm shunt and a superprecision opamp 2018-01-26T16:48:39 < polygon> 30A is not even that much. 2018-01-26T16:48:51 < kakimir> line is not to be tampered with 2018-01-26T16:49:19 < kakimir> insulation stays on and copper stays solid all way thru 2018-01-26T16:49:29 < polygon> lel 2018-01-26T16:49:41 < polygon> you could even poke 2 pins in the wire 2018-01-26T16:49:42 < polygon> hahaha 2018-01-26T16:49:49 < polygon> measure voltage 2018-01-26T16:49:58 < polygon> that will be the simplest and cheapest 2018-01-26T16:50:51 < kakimir> the whole idea of this product is to keep the wire intact 2018-01-26T16:51:12 < polygon> then there is a price tag 2018-01-26T16:51:37 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:52:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:53:09 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T16:53:32 < polygon> lel https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11005 2018-01-26T16:58:57 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-95-223-40-92.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T16:59:07 < polygon> kakimir: well to get 1000 gain you need 1000 turns, 100 turns would require 300mA sense current at 30A 2018-01-26T16:59:28 < kakimir> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-HST21-Input-50A-Output-4V-Supply-Voltage-15V-DC-25KHz-Split-Core-Current-Sensor/32656598140.html I'll try this 2018-01-26T16:59:45 < kakimir> then maybe ask them to make some custom model for us 2018-01-26T17:01:01 < polygon> you probably could, i assume you won't wind it for $10 2018-01-26T17:01:40 < kakimir> wind the coil? 2018-01-26T17:01:47 < kakimir> custom coil? 2018-01-26T17:01:52 < polygon> the sensor :) 2018-01-26T17:02:00 < polygon> 1000 turns 2018-01-26T17:02:07 < kakimir> that one has most likelly coil + hall 2018-01-26T17:02:14 < kakimir> or does it? 2018-01-26T17:02:27 < polygon> oh if it is closed loop then it has coil 2018-01-26T17:02:52 < polygon> if it does not have coil then open loop and it will drift 2018-01-26T17:03:10 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T17:06:31 <@englishman> kaks https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005539370.html 2018-01-26T17:06:34 <@englishman> big if true 2018-01-26T17:08:34 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-26T17:09:00 < kakimir> I planned to change my work and wake up by a hour when summer time changes 2018-01-26T17:09:08 < kakimir> so that I start work at 8AM 2018-01-26T17:09:32 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T17:09:37 < kakimir> now I start 9AM and it seems impossible to change even a minute backwards 2018-01-26T17:11:11 < polygon> englishman: i called bullshit on this 20 years ago... 2018-01-26T17:11:47 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-26T17:12:44 < polygon> englishman: i also have my pc clock set GMT, os clock on local just to know 2018-01-26T17:13:27 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T17:14:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-26T17:14:42 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-26T17:20:19 < c10ud> polygon, I got 4 megabytes pics from el cheapo point and shoot cams 2018-01-26T17:20:32 < c10ud> already jpg compressed 2018-01-26T17:20:39 < c10ud> let's ignore RAW.. 2018-01-26T17:20:44 < polygon> yeah i know 2018-01-26T17:21:01 < c10ud> at the end of the day your custom mcu board will cost way too much than a rpi or bbb 2018-01-26T17:21:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T17:21:14 < polygon> ;/ 2018-01-26T17:21:20 < c10ud> which will do the job, provided you don't find any bugs in the usb stack 2018-01-26T17:21:23 < polygon> so you would a beaglebone black for this? 2018-01-26T17:21:38 < c10ud> tbh I did already 2018-01-26T17:21:51 < polygon> cool 2018-01-26T17:22:01 < polygon> you used the hardware from a camera? 2018-01-26T17:22:07 < c10ud> stitching panoramas etc. 2018-01-26T17:22:27 < c10ud> yes, point and shoot canons with hacked firmware 2018-01-26T17:22:50 < c10ud> that's where "not industrial" comes into play 2018-01-26T17:22:57 < polygon> but you left the brain inside it 2018-01-26T17:22:58 < c10ud> but I was young 2018-01-26T17:23:16 < kakimir> polygon, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hall-split-core-current-sensor-HSTS016L-input10A-200A-output2-5V/32836805934.html? 2018-01-26T17:23:21 < c10ud> left everything in it 2018-01-26T17:23:28 < kakimir> we are getting there 2018-01-26T17:23:28 < c10ud> just hacked the battery holder 2018-01-26T17:23:39 < c10ud> and talk with the camera through usb 2018-01-26T17:23:47 < kakimir> let's leave today early> 2018-01-26T17:24:18 < polygon> c10ud: i would get raw data from sensor and command optics, ois 2018-01-26T17:25:07 < c10ud> that's what I've been thinking of doing, but unless you deploy a custom board with a fpga I see that hardly feasible 2018-01-26T17:25:18 < polygon> not sure if a beaglebone black could do this... 2018-01-26T17:25:21 < c10ud> unless you find a cheap sensor with a nice interface 2018-01-26T17:25:29 < c10ud> bbb usb only I guess.. 2018-01-26T17:26:36 < c10ud> thing is, depends on the quality you want to obtain, you cannot beat consumer cameras optics 2018-01-26T17:27:06 < c10ud> otoh cheap sensors are not that bad, so ymmv 2018-01-26T17:27:10 < polygon> you can 2018-01-26T17:27:17 < polygon> you only need 300 webcams 2018-01-26T17:27:40 < polygon> they put arrays like that on satellites 2018-01-26T17:28:06 < c10ud> yea uhh what's your budget then lol 2018-01-26T17:28:10 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T17:28:21 < polygon> kek 2018-01-26T17:28:41 < c10ud> I've been quoted 200+ EUR for a sony sensor with USB interface 2018-01-26T17:28:57 < polygon> lel 2018-01-26T17:29:10 < polygon> why not use a sensor from a used camera? 2018-01-26T17:30:09 < c10ud> I was thinking of rolling out a product as I said 2018-01-26T17:30:18 < polygon> optics are good btw, stock fixfocus crap will not cut it in my opinion unless you make an array 2018-01-26T17:30:50 < c10ud> if you are just doing this for a hobby buy a CHDK-hackable point and shoot and you will be done in a day 2018-01-26T17:31:00 < c10ud> shooting RAWs with sub-100$ cams 2018-01-26T17:31:05 < c10ud> from your PC 2018-01-26T17:31:55 < polygon> that is a cool project 2018-01-26T17:32:15 < c10ud> product-wise, I thought at 1080p chinacams at 30$ and desisted from even thinking about those HQ OEM sensors 2018-01-26T17:33:42 < polygon> Motion detection - Trigger exposure in response to motion, fast enough to catch lightning. - i see this in a different way, if there is a continuous stream in a circular buffer 2018-01-26T17:33:58 < polygon> pre-exposure is neater 2018-01-26T17:34:46 < polygon> any nikon1 hacks yet? 2018-01-26T17:36:41 < c10ud> idk, I think canons only (chdk for point and shoot, magic lantern for dslr) 2018-01-26T17:38:56 < polygon> c10ud: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_1_series 2018-01-26T17:39:49 < polygon> yet no cameras that con do superresolution :) 2018-01-26T17:41:44 < polygon> c10ud: this is the best image sensor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foveon_X3_sensor 2018-01-26T17:42:38 < c10ud> I remember seeing a canon or Nikon which was able to obtain full color in dark-black nights 2018-01-26T17:43:07 < c10ud> i don't know if it was a r&d stunt or real product thought 2018-01-26T17:45:00 < polygon> i did 60s exposures at night, it brighens up nicely 2018-01-26T17:45:28 < c10ud> it was real-time video iirc, that was the breakthrough 2018-01-26T17:45:36 < polygon> (with fz7) 2018-01-26T17:45:39 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T17:45:45 < polygon> ha 2018-01-26T17:45:55 < c10ud> chdk can do minutes exposures with cheap p&s, lol 2018-01-26T17:46:08 < polygon> yeah i saw the superiso sensors too 2018-01-26T17:46:34 < polygon> c10ud: any number of images can be combined ... 2018-01-26T17:46:43 < c10ud> but that's sw 2018-01-26T17:46:45 < c10ud> not hw 2018-01-26T17:46:56 < polygon> camera has sw too ;P 2018-01-26T17:47:44 < polygon> funny thing is how the video is much brighter than photos on an fz7, this clearly suggests that the firmware is limited 2018-01-26T17:48:05 < c10ud> but the shutter being open for > minute is one thing, another is $$$ software doing interpolation 2018-01-26T17:48:07 < polygon> very much depends on software 2018-01-26T17:48:14 < c10ud> yea sure 2018-01-26T17:48:49 < polygon> and still no hdr images, only 8x3 bit? sure they know raw, but nobody cares to have better image formats 2018-01-26T17:48:49 -!- Guest36 [6baf5bcf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.107.175.91.207] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T17:49:01 -!- Guest36 is now known as Laurenceb_ 2018-01-26T17:49:04 < Laurenceb_> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.9281363,-1.5197865,3a,49.1y,187.19h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv8-aTRWhWkV0Yvvp9ce5tA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?dcr=0 2018-01-26T17:49:30 < polygon> 8 bit is 256 levels. 2018-01-26T17:50:13 < c10ud> polygon, capture raw and process later 2018-01-26T17:50:48 < c10ud> canons do get 12 and 14 bits 2018-01-26T17:50:55 < c10ud> (iirc, it has been a while) 2018-01-26T17:51:13 < Laurenceb_> supp 2018-01-26T17:53:23 < Laurenceb_> just use chdk already 2018-01-26T17:53:38 < polygon> yo Laurenceb_ here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaPDFcc1EWU 2018-01-26T17:54:37 < Laurenceb_> til they were right about the Christians 2018-01-26T17:54:44 < Laurenceb_> see streetview link 2018-01-26T17:59:34 <@englishman> polygon: i only use swatch beats 2018-01-26T18:01:24 < polygon> fun with 9V batteries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwLHdBTQ7s 2018-01-26T18:13:26 < qyx> swatch watches 2018-01-26T18:16:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T18:27:31 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-26T18:28:29 < polygon> 86.4 dickless french designed that 2018-01-26T18:30:10 < karlp> was kakimir only after DC current measurments? 2018-01-26T18:30:30 < polygon> y 2018-01-26T18:31:37 -!- Laurenceb_ [6baf5bcf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.107.175.91.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-26T18:40:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-26T18:44:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T18:44:42 < Laurenceb_> 0x8000&(USB->FNR&USB_FNR_FN) 2018-01-26T18:44:44 < Laurenceb_> le epin win 2018-01-26T18:45:51 < Laurenceb_> then compare all devices and discard 4+-2 samples from each 2018-01-26T18:45:58 < Laurenceb_> (2kHz sampling) 2018-01-26T18:46:55 < Laurenceb_> doesnt need any fancy interface support 2018-01-26T18:52:33 < qyx> are you trying to elimnate jitter or what? 2018-01-26T18:53:36 < Laurenceb_> nobody knows 2018-01-26T18:53:55 < Laurenceb_> personally I'm trying to synchronise multiple sensors 2018-01-26T18:54:03 < Laurenceb_> I've also be asked to eliminate jitter 2018-01-26T18:54:10 < Laurenceb_> but there is <350ns jitter... 2018-01-26T18:55:35 < Laurenceb_> atm I'm trying to connect to multiple devices simultaneously with Qt avoiding any OS dependent shit 2018-01-26T18:56:12 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-26T18:58:51 < Laurenceb_> this looks pretty easy now 2018-01-26T18:58:53 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyyvf7t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T18:59:05 < Laurenceb_> Qt copypasta code + SQL module in ~Qt 2018-01-26T18:59:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-26T19:09:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T19:12:10 < upgrdman> math pros: if i want to calculate this angle, do i need to arrange it like this? https://imgur.com/a/zfC1M 2018-01-26T19:12:49 < upgrdman> like is there a way to calc it without making P1-P2 horizontal and starting at (0,0) 2018-01-26T19:13:37 < upgrdman> this feels like fucking elementary school trig, but its been too fucking long :) 2018-01-26T19:14:58 < rene-dev> move it so that x2,y2 is 0,0 2018-01-26T19:15:00 < zyp> so, you have three coords and wanna calculate the angle between them? 2018-01-26T19:15:08 < rene-dev> then do atan2 on the other points 2018-01-26T19:15:14 < upgrdman> zyp, yes 2018-01-26T19:15:18 < rene-dev> diff is the angle 2018-01-26T19:15:21 < zyp> what rene-dev said 2018-01-26T19:16:05 < upgrdman> what diff? 2018-01-26T19:16:05 < zyp> atan2(x1 - x2, y1 - y2) - atan2(x3 - x2, y3 - y2) 2018-01-26T19:16:10 < upgrdman> oh 2018-01-26T19:16:18 < zyp> or some variant of that 2018-01-26T19:18:10 < zyp> I probably swapped x and y 2018-01-26T19:18:34 < zyp> not sure that even matters though, since you're only calculating the difference 2018-01-26T19:18:55 < upgrdman> thx guys 2018-01-26T19:19:05 < rene-dev> with atan2 you dont have to deal with any special cases, it just works 2018-01-26T19:19:11 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-26T19:21:18 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-26T19:23:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-90e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T19:23:21 < upgrdman> wish my calc has atan2 2018-01-26T19:24:07 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-26T19:24:11 < upgrdman> ti-36x pro 2018-01-26T19:24:16 < upgrdman> cheapy sci calc 2018-01-26T19:25:26 < upgrdman> unrelated, wow, VZ is at a year long high 2018-01-26T19:25:38 < Steffanx> The Ti84+ doesnt even have it, but like nowadays "there is an app for that". 2018-01-26T19:25:44 < upgrdman> ya 2018-01-26T19:26:05 < upgrdman> superbia, you faggot 2018-01-26T19:26:12 < upgrdman> bing, really? 2018-01-26T19:26:34 < zyp> :) 2018-01-26T19:26:34 < karlp> speedcrunch 2018-01-26T19:27:25 < upgrdman> karlp, that looks pretty neat. 2018-01-26T19:28:00 -!- comptroller [~comptroll@47-213-225-245.paolcmtc01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T19:32:24 < Steffanx> lol that app. Never used it. When you write "arctan2", it shows an popup with "arctan2(x,y), but you actually have to write arctan(x;y) -_- 2018-01-26T19:32:29 < Steffanx> +2 2018-01-26T19:32:56 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyyvf7t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-26T19:36:27 < upgrdman> i wonder if that is because eurofags use , as the decimal point 2018-01-26T19:36:41 < upgrdman> like "1,000" to mean 1 2018-01-26T19:41:14 < upgrdman> superbia, and even with our mistakes, the usa has far surpassed europes shit space endeavors 2018-01-26T19:43:22 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-26T19:43:24 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T19:44:14 < upgrdman> found superbia https://img00.deviantart.net/89cf/i/2016/059/8/5/girly_by_d4rkharlequin-d9tega0.jpg 2018-01-26T19:46:14 < upgrdman> typical java programmer: https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/7rjqk8/my_teacher_is_discouraging_me_and_i_dont_know_if/ 2018-01-26T19:48:39 < upgrdman> wuts topcoder 2018-01-26T19:59:33 < Steffanx> upgrdman: but why not show: arctan(x;y) .. as thats how you have to enter it 2018-01-26T19:59:40 < Steffanx> *+2 2018-01-26T19:59:43 < upgrdman> agreed 2018-01-26T20:00:08 < upgrdman> or better, a way to enable , as arg separator 2018-01-26T20:02:57 < Steffanx> or that indeed 2018-01-26T20:17:52 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T20:31:59 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T20:41:26 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBnLhPIcqGM music times 2018-01-26T20:46:23 <@englishman> nice, win10pro keys down to $5 2018-01-26T20:47:37 < kakimir> serious? 2018-01-26T20:47:39 < kakimir> where? 2018-01-26T20:48:01 < kakimir> can I hog them multiple and then just keep the keys forever until I need them? 2018-01-26T20:48:19 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T20:49:57 <@englishman> https://www.ebay.com/itm/scamz/152874173388 2018-01-26T20:50:04 <@englishman> auto-emailed key in like 5 seconds 2018-01-26T20:50:08 <@englishman> works gr8 2018-01-26T20:50:17 <@englishman> probably faster than microsoft store even 2018-01-26T20:51:13 < srk> scamz xD 2018-01-26T20:53:04 < kakimir> how? 2018-01-26T20:53:24 < Thorn> new inexpensive scope reviewed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-siuk4p4dO0 2018-01-26T20:53:26 < kakimir> how do these shops work? 2018-01-26T20:58:18 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-bcee7c-220.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-26T20:58:26 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T20:59:21 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-26T21:15:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T21:20:45 < Steffanx> inexpensive you said Thorn? 2018-01-26T21:21:00 < Steffanx> When you say inexpensive i expect rigol/siglent rage prices. 2018-01-26T21:21:03 < Thorn> 2018-01-26T21:21:22 < Steffanx> -_- 2018-01-26T21:22:00 < Steffanx> No sarcasm detected is able to detect that kind of sarcasm Thorn :P 2018-01-26T21:22:55 < Thorn> it's military grade stealth sarcasm for clandestine troll operations 2018-01-26T21:24:26 < Steffanx> [Insert random rage about russia from AreTooCommie here] 2018-01-26T22:19:18 <@englishman> god syncthing is such a piece of shit 2018-01-26T22:21:01 < Steffanx> why sir? 2018-01-26T22:22:04 <@englishman> delete file -> out of sync 2018-01-26T22:22:18 <@englishman> out of sync -> ???????????????????????? 2018-01-26T22:22:43 <@englishman> bunch of files 2018-01-26T22:23:19 <@englishman> there is no possible way to recover from "out of sync" except to delete everything and start over, in typical lunix fashion 2018-01-26T22:23:48 < Steffanx> Reminds me of my use of windows. 2018-01-26T22:24:12 < Steffanx> Nah for a hooker you actually have to pay :P 2018-01-26T22:34:53 < upgrdman> today we learned: superbia fucks hookers 2018-01-26T23:10:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-26T23:10:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sat Jan 27 2018 2018-01-27T00:35:28 < upgrdman> karlp, speedcruch is turning out pretty awesome. thx for bringing it up. 2018-01-27T01:02:35 < aandrew> PaulFertser: is it the ft232 or 2232 which makes a reasonably okay openocd jtag module? 2018-01-27T01:02:47 < aandrew> target's an xtensa (esp32) 2018-01-27T01:03:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T01:25:20 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T01:29:42 < Laurenceb_> sup 2018-01-27T01:30:32 < stvn> ready for action 2018-01-27T01:30:40 < stvn> A DAY OFF \o/ 2018-01-27T01:33:19 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: stm32 mate] 2018-01-27T01:34:14 -!- polygon [54ec17cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.236.23.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-27T02:10:16 < upgrdman> aandrew, ft2232 is used by lattice for jtag on their eval boards 2018-01-27T02:10:20 < upgrdman> its decent 2018-01-27T02:10:35 < upgrdman> have not used it with oocd tho 2018-01-27T02:27:00 < branjb> what does ##stm32 think of dave jones? 2018-01-27T02:29:55 < karlp> aandrew: both work, 2232 is faster and more commonly used 2018-01-27T02:33:24 < Ultrasauce> HOI 2018-01-27T02:34:02 < Laurenceb_> branjb: hes a poser who never does anything worthwhile 2018-01-27T02:41:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-90e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-27T03:18:57 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T03:19:18 < Laurenceb_> which reminds me of hyperloop for some reason 2018-01-27T03:20:04 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop was on uk tv recently 2018-01-27T03:20:27 < Laurenceb_> I should write my sanerloop clone as a white paper 2018-01-27T03:27:27 < stvn> fucking hyperloop 2018-01-27T03:27:41 < stvn> dollar toilet 2018-01-27T03:28:29 < dongs> englishman> syncthing 2018-01-27T03:28:34 < dongs> thats what you get for using a fucking GUI for rsync 2018-01-27T03:28:39 < dongs> aids on top of aids 2018-01-27T03:31:14 < Laurenceb_> hahaha 2018-01-27T03:31:19 < Laurenceb_> shit works bro 2018-01-27T03:31:51 < Laurenceb_> I have muh sensors connecting and synchronised with Qt 2018-01-27T03:32:13 < Laurenceb_> next I add the rsync GUI to it 2018-01-27T03:32:26 < dongs> "works" and "opensores" cannotbe used in same sentence 2018-01-27T03:32:37 < Laurenceb_> the SOF shit works nicely, thanks zyp 2018-01-27T03:32:39 < Laurenceb_> heh dongs 2018-01-27T03:33:20 < Laurenceb_> no need for ALSA at all now, or any tools outside of Qt apart from the database and rsync 2018-01-27T03:34:10 < Laurenceb_> lul -> http://spacenews.com/google-lunar-x-prize-to-end-without-winner/ 2018-01-27T03:34:15 < dongs> old 2018-01-27T03:34:16 < Laurenceb_> another stupid project ends 2018-01-27T03:34:35 < Laurenceb_> my hyperloop clone is a mine card in a sewer pipe 2018-01-27T03:34:36 < Laurenceb_> no joke 2018-01-27T03:34:40 < Laurenceb_> *cart 2018-01-27T03:35:11 < Laurenceb_> I can has a gorillian dollarz?? 2018-01-27T03:35:20 < dongs> https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?Do=gpsShowNanu&num=2018001 GPS sat ded 2018-01-27T03:35:23 < Laurenceb_> oh wait I already got ukp4M to do... something 2018-01-27T03:35:34 < stvn> ukip 2018-01-27T03:35:38 < dongs> mudkip 2018-01-27T03:35:46 < Laurenceb_> dongs: still better than Galileo 2018-01-27T03:35:55 < Laurenceb_> fun fact: I used to work on Galileo 2018-01-27T03:36:28 < Laurenceb_> it was mainly built from random shit they got second hand, so no surprise they keep breaking in orbit 2018-01-27T03:36:47 < dongs> who will launch first retarduino into space 2018-01-27T03:36:58 < Laurenceb_> I'm sure its been done 2018-01-27T03:37:10 < dongs> blink_in_space_without_delay.ino 2018-01-27T03:37:26 < Laurenceb_> the Galileo master keys are on a dip-8 i2c eeprom 2018-01-27T03:37:36 < Laurenceb_> stored in a mission impossible style vault 2018-01-27T03:37:40 < Laurenceb_> its extra lulzy 2018-01-27T03:37:58 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@104.235.205.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-27T03:38:11 < Laurenceb_> then a pic protoboard shit to clone them onto each sat 2018-01-27T03:38:38 < Laurenceb_> crazy James Bond guy goes into the room with armed guard and pcb handcuffed to him 2018-01-27T03:38:53 < Laurenceb_> then leaves the factory via helicopter from the car park 2018-01-27T03:39:02 < dongs> what do you get if you had the keys 2018-01-27T03:39:23 < Laurenceb_> shot 2018-01-27T03:39:32 < Laurenceb_> Mossad bed bomb 2018-01-27T03:39:56 < Laurenceb_> prob made by dongs amirite? 2018-01-27T03:40:23 < dongs> no i mean, what does having they keys allow you to do 2018-01-27T03:43:57 < Laurenceb_> make fake signals and stuff 2018-01-27T03:44:03 < Laurenceb_> decode the military signals 2018-01-27T03:44:09 < dongs> oh 2018-01-27T03:44:24 < dongs> so they also do that selective whatver shit like gps? 2018-01-27T03:44:32 < dongs> lowrez civilian thing and highrez military 2018-01-27T03:45:08 < Laurenceb_> yeah, its identical to GPS 2018-01-27T03:45:18 < stvn> military niggers 2018-01-27T03:45:48 < Laurenceb_> but GPS has the vault in Cheyenne Mountain 2018-01-27T03:45:57 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-27T03:46:07 < Laurenceb_> I've been in the Cheyenne mountain vault, its pretty hawt 2018-01-27T03:46:15 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T03:46:42 < Laurenceb_> USAF guys are pretty cool 2018-01-27T03:48:20 < dongs> https://www.xda-developers.com/google-chrome-support-windows-precision-touchpad-smoother-scrolling/ ??? 2018-01-27T03:49:08 < dongs> i dont even udnerstand what the edge vs chrome video is trying to show 2018-01-27T03:49:57 < stvn> you don't have autism 2018-01-27T03:50:05 < stvn> you passed the test. 2018-01-27T03:50:35 < dongs> I do, but I still dont understand what the fuck is going on there 2018-01-27T03:50:47 < dongs> i even ran edge (for the second time after using it to download chrome) 2018-01-27T03:50:49 < dongs> and compared 2018-01-27T03:50:56 < dongs> and i dont see the difference in scrolling 2018-01-27T03:52:40 < dongs> Dan Neely • 12 hours ago 2018-01-27T03:52:40 < dongs> What is that video supposed to be showing? 2018-01-27T03:52:41 < dongs> I've watched it a few times and have no idea which side is supposed to be which. 2018-01-27T03:52:41 < dongs> haha 2018-01-27T03:53:18 < dongs> > On edge, it feels very similar to a Mac. It's extremely responsive, you can pinch to zoom, flick 2 fingers to navigate back and forward. 2018-01-27T03:53:30 < dongs> fagbook touchpad was probably the second awful thing about it after the keyboard 2018-01-27T03:53:45 < dongs> want to click + drag something? GOOD LUCK 2018-01-27T03:53:57 < dongs> anytime more than 1 finger was on the fucking thing it would either stop moving or do dumb shit 2018-01-27T04:01:32 * stvn lights a cigar 2018-01-27T04:01:45 < dongs> are you into smoking poles 2018-01-27T04:01:49 < stvn> nty 2018-01-27T04:01:53 < stvn> smoking neither 2018-01-27T04:02:23 < stvn> what i do like is GAN FETs 2018-01-27T04:04:27 < stvn> http://www.transphormusa.com/document/650v-cascode-gan-fet-tph3212p/ 2018-01-27T04:06:06 < dongs> how is this better than any other trash in TO220 pkg 2018-01-27T04:07:08 < BrainDamage> that shit can switch 17kW 2018-01-27T04:07:30 < dongs> what no 2018-01-27T04:07:55 < BrainDamage> 650V continous Vds and 27A continous Ids 2018-01-27T04:08:18 < BrainDamage> makes for 17.5kW 2018-01-27T04:08:47 < dongs> but uh 2018-01-27T04:08:56 < dongs> rdson is pretty awful 2018-01-27T04:08:59 < dongs> and so is dissipation 2018-01-27T04:09:51 < BrainDamage> at max current rating it's 'only' 50W 2018-01-27T04:10:04 < BrainDamage> compared to the 17kW it switches it's absolutely excellent 2018-01-27T04:10:25 < BrainDamage> will it need a giant heatsink? sure 2018-01-27T04:11:04 < dongs> why does it need a feerit bead at the gate 2018-01-27T04:11:15 < dongs> in addition to resistor 2018-01-27T04:11:17 < stvn> app notes tell you why 2018-01-27T04:12:00 < stvn> these devices enable much higher switching frequency 2018-01-27T04:12:37 < dongs> the pinout is bullshit anyway 2018-01-27T04:12:45 < dongs> not standard 2018-01-27T04:12:55 < dongs> isnt it usually drain = tab 2018-01-27T04:12:59 < stvn> yus 2018-01-27T04:12:59 < dongs> and GDS left to right 2018-01-27T04:13:05 < stvn> yes 2018-01-27T04:13:27 < stvn> unless you're talking ye olde lateral mosfets which were GSD 2018-01-27T04:14:05 < BrainDamage> source on tab isn't too bad when your supply is 650V 2018-01-27T04:14:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-27T04:15:10 < stvn> i'm only going to play with them for bridge circuits so it doesn't make a great diff to me 2018-01-27T04:16:37 < BrainDamage> can you still use standard tecniques to insulate at 650V? there was a lab psu which had 3kV on the tabs and they just gave up and let the heatsinks go live and insulated those 2018-01-27T04:17:20 < stvn> i'd say so with 650v 2018-01-27T04:17:31 < stvn> live heatsink is best heatsink 2018-01-27T04:17:54 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-27T04:18:23 < stvn> at least a decent heatspreader would be nice 2018-01-27T04:19:07 < BrainDamage> http://www.kookieleather.com/spreaderbars/8004blk.jpg 2018-01-27T04:19:25 < dongs> thats a spreader allright 2018-01-27T04:19:41 < stvn> lol 2018-01-27T04:21:00 < Cracki> what's next, 10 kV magic wand? 2018-01-27T04:22:03 < stvn> yeah mate 2018-01-27T04:22:20 < stvn> the cure they call it 2018-01-27T04:22:36 < stvn> remember leeloo :) :) 2018-01-27T04:27:57 < stvn> he got the fix. 2018-01-27T04:32:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-27T04:33:28 < dongs> magic dong 2018-01-27T04:33:59 < dongs> who trolled leloo out of here 2018-01-27T04:34:49 < stvn> you got that right 2018-01-27T04:35:43 < stvn> the most cringeworthy bit was when he tried to school mr.z on c++ 2018-01-27T04:36:19 < dongs> ha ha 2018-01-27T04:38:23 < aandrew> karlp: yeah I thought the 2232 was that too 2018-01-27T04:44:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T04:46:02 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-27T04:46:31 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T04:50:59 -!- kow_ [~root@135.0.26.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-27T05:05:04 < upgrdman> lolwut... nsfw https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/7t0494/her_parents_must_be_proud/ 2018-01-27T05:10:08 < Rob235> cleaning up 3d prints is a bit more annoying than I anticipated 2018-01-27T05:10:11 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/ajU5h 2018-01-27T05:10:20 < Rob235> had to sand down the inside a tiny bit to get it to fit 2018-01-27T05:10:24 < Rob235> still have to clean it up a bit 2018-01-27T05:17:50 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-27T05:18:09 < stvn> yes 2018-01-27T05:18:18 < stvn> 3d printers... 2018-01-27T05:21:02 < stvn> i'll have a think about that over this beer mate 2018-01-27T05:21:34 < stvn> ah yeah mate, http://www.stratasys.com/3d-printers/uprint-se-plus 2018-01-27T05:22:05 < stvn> first i need you to buy this, then report if it is good 2018-01-27T05:22:33 < Rob235> heh yea sure, i'm stuck using the crappy library printer at the moment 2018-01-27T05:22:40 < Rob235> how much does that cost, $5000? 2018-01-27T05:24:56 < stvn> prolly 10k 2018-01-27T05:25:21 < stvn> iirc the uprint se was around 13k-aud 5 years ago 2018-01-27T05:25:34 < stvn> and it could eat my ass 2018-01-27T05:25:54 < Rob235> lame, I'm gonna save up for a prusa i3 mk3 2018-01-27T05:25:59 < Rob235> $750 2018-01-27T05:27:35 < Rob235> print everything slow as shit, turn these 8 hour prints at 0.3mm layer heights to 0.1 or less? and just let it run for days hah 2018-01-27T05:28:00 < stvn> yeh mate 2018-01-27T05:28:06 < stvn> we've got all the time in the world 2018-01-27T05:28:18 < stvn> fire up keil and get to work while printing 2018-01-27T05:28:46 < Rob235> when you can run it overnight its not a big deal, when you have to sit at the library and get it done between open hours it sucks 2018-01-27T05:31:30 < stvn> D u c k 2018-01-27T05:31:56 < stvn> i must buy more proprietary software 2018-01-27T05:34:32 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T05:37:50 < dongs> upgrdman: retweeted everywhere. 2018-01-27T05:38:18 < upgrdman> dongs, o ok 2018-01-27T05:38:27 < upgrdman> didnt know it was old 2018-01-27T05:42:20 < stvn> now im bored 2018-01-27T05:42:20 < Rob235> stvn: oh stratasys and makerbot are the same company? that sucks, I'm sure makerbot is the 'value brand' but that alone leaves a bad taste in my mouth 2018-01-27T05:42:33 < stvn> fucked if i know mate 2018-01-27T05:42:43 < stvn> i used it once at university and it was a piece of shit 2018-01-27T05:43:28 < Rob235> not surprised 2018-01-27T05:45:03 < Rob235> my room is going to be covered in blue plastic dust by the end of the weekend, time for bed now though, laterz 2018-01-27T05:48:30 < dongs> upgrdman: no, i mean, that was approval. 2018-01-27T05:48:53 < upgrdman> o heh, cool 2018-01-27T05:55:30 < dongs> haha get R2COm to come to that mcds 2018-01-27T05:56:25 < stvn> mcdicks 2018-01-27T05:59:55 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/bj4tkWA.gifv 2018-01-27T06:01:01 < stvn> vaping kills 2018-01-27T06:02:22 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIuT9oSKyCU 2018-01-27T06:02:41 < dongs> you dick 2018-01-27T06:02:50 < dongs> i clicked that and it was LRH 2018-01-27T06:02:51 < stvn> where englshmn 2018-01-27T06:02:57 < dongs> which im already watching 2018-01-27T06:02:59 < stvn> i thought i'd find him there 2018-01-27T06:11:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-27T06:12:48 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-27T06:15:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T06:44:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T06:55:14 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Are you related to ohsix btw? 2018-01-27T11:21:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-97e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T11:21:45 < polymorph> "nothing can stop you from doing anything you fucking WANT to do." ? :) 2018-01-27T11:23:26 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T11:43:41 < polymorph> Steffanx: but the office paper acetone transfer seems simple no? 2018-01-27T11:45:20 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-27T11:48:16 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T12:15:36 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-27T12:17:05 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dyvyyhkpbcp9zwsy1k69y-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T12:22:26 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T12:29:17 < kakimir> BrainDamage, lets do this 2018-01-27T12:37:02 < polymorph> sup kakimir 2018-01-27T12:37:20 < polymorph> [09:53] hi, who wants to make a direct pcb laserprinter? http://www.pbase.com/mark10970/2014_instructable&page=all Direct PCB Printing with a Modified Laser Printer (acetone curing toner) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWUul62irY [09:54] also found this heatless toner transfer for PCB etch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBIxvwZ_0og 2018-01-27T12:52:48 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2018-01-27T12:52:57 -!- gnom [~aleksande@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T12:53:12 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-27T13:00:00 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T13:12:50 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-27T13:19:46 < kakimir> okay I need to get that noip2 running 2018-01-27T13:30:55 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T13:36:29 < kakimir> if I want measurements out of board I can not hold all the probes to can I just take some rg316 pig tail and solder it into circuit and connect to oscilloscope? 2018-01-27T13:38:25 < kakimir> http://jahonen.kapsi.fi/Electronics/DIY%201k%20probe/ 2018-01-27T14:07:16 < BrainDamage> kakimir: do what? 2018-01-27T14:07:38 < kakimir> noip2.service 2018-01-27T14:08:34 < BrainDamage> yes you can solder in the probes, be careful that the dangling cables if left long will induce disturbances in the circuit 2018-01-27T14:10:54 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-27T14:12:10 < kakimir> no resistors to it or anything? 2018-01-27T14:12:25 < kakimir> just straight line to scope input? 2018-01-27T14:12:42 < BrainDamage> depends on the length 2018-01-27T14:13:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-97e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-27T14:13:50 < BrainDamage> and frequency ofc 2018-01-27T14:15:23 < BrainDamage> for very short runs you'll barely see any effects, at longer lengths the capactive loading of the cable will be annoying so yes you'll need a resistor, and for very long runs it'll behave like a waveguide so not only impedance match but geometry matters too and line termination for dangling ones 2018-01-27T14:16:23 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T14:16:52 < kakimir> it's wizardry 2018-01-27T14:18:43 < BrainDamage> what frequency does your board work at? 2018-01-27T14:19:11 < BrainDamage> also signal type, is it digital? if analol, shape? 2018-01-27T14:19:13 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T14:22:10 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-27T14:22:54 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T14:25:51 < kakimir> BrainDamage, switching regulators 2018-01-27T14:26:31 < BrainDamage> switching freq then? 2018-01-27T14:26:35 < kakimir> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/NathanGiesbrecht/da6560f21e55178bcea7fdd9ca2e39b5/raw/ea1ef414bda8a33f329dff1ab853016040b89891/noip2.service does it looks ok BrainDamage ? 2018-01-27T14:26:41 < kakimir> 150 - 500khz for now 2018-01-27T14:28:56 < BrainDamage> you can skip the resistor for short runs but it'll distort the shapes a bit, I'd recommend including it tough 2018-01-27T14:29:40 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-27T14:29:53 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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My personal preference is B so that the primary port is UART but I don't know if I end up screwing myself because of that 2018-01-27T16:48:12 < PaulFertser> aandrew: I suggest A, just because it's used for jtag in most adapters. 2018-01-27T16:48:44 < aandrew> I'm trying to remember if that presents issues for getting access to the uart easily on B from a host perspective 2018-01-27T16:49:02 < PaulFertser> It shouldn't at least on Linux-based systems. 2018-01-27T16:49:08 < aandrew> i.e. I plug it in and ttyusb0 shows up but that's the jtag, and I have to send some vs commands to enable the B port as uart 2018-01-27T16:49:17 < aandrew> a config eeprom would probably eliminate this problem too IIRC 2018-01-27T16:49:45 < PaulFertser> No need for config eeprom. With ft2232h you should get both ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 by default. 2018-01-27T16:50:10 < aandrew> hm, alright 2018-01-27T16:50:48 < aandrew> what is what thing 2018-01-27T16:50:57 < aandrew> that looks like a proto board 2018-01-27T16:51:08 < aandrew> the pattern on it just matches very closely to a normal breadboard 2018-01-27T16:51:38 < aandrew> http://a.co/52zF3QE 2018-01-27T16:51:49 < aandrew> you really couldn't go to amazon and type in "protoboard" ? 2018-01-27T16:52:27 < aandrew> there are all kinds of them, "veroboard" usually refers to the ones that are a million holes 0.100" spaced and with annular rings on each hole (but none join each other) 2018-01-27T16:52:48 < aandrew> superbia: so do a litlte googling or browsing on sites you can get where you live 2018-01-27T16:53:01 < aandrew> a basic level of research and self-sufficiency is required for intelligent discourse 2018-01-27T16:53:09 < aandrew> so you google around until you find the name of it 2018-01-27T16:54:27 < aandrew> that works well and is probably even better than what i found 2018-01-27T16:54:46 < aandrew> I like those better because they follow the pattern I'm used to back in my breadboard days 2018-01-27T16:55:05 < aandrew> where do you live that there is no amazon? 2018-01-27T16:55:29 < aandrew> superbia: yes usually you find the expensive ones first on google/whatever, but tweaking your search and poking around usually leads to much cheaper ones 2018-01-27T16:55:39 < aandrew> superbia: my wife is romanian. ask jadew too -- he is .ro 2018-01-27T16:55:56 < dongs> romanians only know how to hack and steal 2018-01-27T16:56:01 < dongs> DDOS AND SPAM 2018-01-27T16:56:04 < aandrew> this is true, my wife says the same 2018-01-27T16:56:14 < aandrew> she hates the .ro community here in canada 2018-01-27T16:56:40 < aandrew> oh dongs 2018-01-27T16:56:45 < dongs> donging 2018-01-27T16:56:46 < aandrew> that super awesome BGA amp I found the ohter day 2018-01-27T16:56:50 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-27T16:57:14 < aandrew> it's shit - it *requires* a 1.25-1.95v analog supply, which completely neuters its ability to avoid needing a boost reg for the amp 2018-01-27T16:57:26 < aandrew> so im gonna go with the cheaper non-bga one and a litlte boost ret 2018-01-27T16:57:28 < aandrew> reg 2018-01-27T16:58:03 < aandrew> I mean srs... 3W @5V is only 1.6A, lots of cheapass boost regs can do that 2018-01-27T17:00:18 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-27T17:01:45 < aandrew> hm maybe not. $0.80 is the cheapest digikey boost reg I can find which means $0.30ish in real qty in china 2018-01-27T17:02:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@81.141.211.163] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T17:02:23 < Laurenceb_> supppp 2018-01-27T17:02:35 < Laurenceb_> S H A K E R G A T E 2018-01-27T17:05:04 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uT4RV2Dfjs 2018-01-27T17:05:04 < aandrew> I can get a tiny 1.8V LDO for like $0.05 digikey price 2018-01-27T17:06:10 * Laurenceb_ discovered that uk gov has started running darpa style competitions 2018-01-27T17:06:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should enter that rather than doing shaker stuff 2018-01-27T17:06:33 < aandrew> shaker? 2018-01-27T17:06:37 < Laurenceb_> muh jerb 2018-01-27T17:07:20 < Laurenceb_> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/17114-5902283.jpg 2018-01-27T17:07:35 < aandrew> interesting 2018-01-27T17:07:37 < aandrew> stm32 in that? 2018-01-27T17:08:18 < Laurenceb_> erm no 2018-01-27T17:08:31 < Laurenceb_> Stamford Research... something or other 2018-01-27T17:08:34 < Laurenceb_> used to control it 2018-01-27T17:08:38 < Laurenceb_> its 1970s 2018-01-27T17:09:23 -!- ffffffffffffffff [~fffffffff@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T17:09:27 < Laurenceb_> but I'm accused of breaking it 2018-01-27T17:09:31 < Laurenceb_> lul wut ffff 2018-01-27T17:09:45 < Laurenceb_> press f to pay respects 2018-01-27T17:09:56 < ffffffffffffffff> f 2018-01-27T17:10:07 < Thorn> >S H A K E R G A T E: Laurenceb_ accused of inappropriately touching babby being shaked 2018-01-27T17:10:12 < Laurenceb_> haha 2018-01-27T17:10:30 < Laurenceb_> >not of installing the shaker in the basement of a pizza restaurant 2018-01-27T17:10:36 < aandrew> that's one way to get them to sleep 2018-01-27T17:11:08 < Laurenceb_> O_o 2018-01-27T17:14:48 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-27T17:16:50 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T17:18:31 < tct> hello mr. laurence 2018-01-27T17:18:38 < tct> how are you feeling on this wonderful day? 2018-01-27T17:21:16 < Laurenceb_> I spy Tectu 2018-01-27T17:21:26 < tct> would you like to talk about it? 2018-01-27T17:21:26 < dongs> kawaiiiiii~~~ 2018-01-27T17:21:57 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@ip5f585915.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-27T17:22:45 < aandrew> dongs: favourite switching buck reg? 3.3V out, about an amp? 2018-01-27T17:22:46 < Laurenceb_> shall we poo together? 2018-01-27T17:22:48 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/upload/success?id=79600 2018-01-27T17:22:57 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/033ab37c30/79600.png 2018-01-27T17:23:02 < dongs> aandrew: stepdown? SY8089 or someshit is pretty good 2018-01-27T17:23:30 < dongs> sorry SY8088 2018-01-27T17:23:33 < dongs> its like 8c 2018-01-27T17:23:38 < dongs> and very low rdson internal fet 2018-01-27T17:23:40 < aandrew> nice 2018-01-27T17:23:46 < aandrew> have to see if I can get in canada 2018-01-27T17:23:48 < dongs> so despite being a shitty package it still doesnt heat 2018-01-27T17:23:50 < dongs> all over china 2018-01-27T17:23:53 < dongs> not sure if anywhere else 2018-01-27T17:23:56 < aandrew> yep 2018-01-27T17:24:12 < aandrew> yeah hard to get here but nice for china 2018-01-27T17:24:17 < aandrew> not so nice for proto 2018-01-27T17:24:17 < dongs> its pin compatible with all the other DCDCs 2018-01-27T17:24:21 < aandrew> oh perfect 2018-01-27T17:24:31 < aandrew> drop in shit is even better 2018-01-27T17:24:45 < dongs> liek NCP1529 etc 2018-01-27T17:24:56 < dongs> also many TI clones of same 2018-01-27T17:25:00 < dongs> richtek 2018-01-27T17:25:03 < Laurenceb_> thats not at all bad 2018-01-27T17:25:12 < Laurenceb_> nice sleep mode too 2018-01-27T17:25:14 < dongs> we shoudl probly do a list in zypsnips about pin compatible dcdcs like we got for LDOs 2018-01-27T17:25:19 < aandrew> yeah 2018-01-27T17:25:25 < tct> +1 2018-01-27T17:25:25 < aandrew> I started something like that or LDOs years ago 2018-01-27T17:25:42 < aandrew> https://www.mixdown.ca/redmine/projects/mixdown/blogs?tag=LDO 2018-01-27T17:25:45 < aandrew> 4y ago jesus 2018-01-27T17:25:52 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!*@81.141.211.163] by englishman 2018-01-27T17:25:52 -!- Laurenceb_ was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [Laurenceb_] 2018-01-27T17:25:55 < aandrew> back when I was in eagle land 2018-01-27T17:25:55 < dongs> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/sot23-5.ldos.dongs 2018-01-27T17:26:12 < aandrew> wtf, why'd laurence get booted 2018-01-27T17:26:49 < dongs> probly for being a worthelss jew 2018-01-27T17:27:11 < aandrew> hah I think it's amusing 2018-01-27T17:27:18 < dongs> to a point 2018-01-27T17:27:21 < aandrew> that page i linked has sch for a switcher 2018-01-27T17:27:22 < dongs> then its just gay spam 2018-01-27T17:27:25 < aandrew> no no not him 2018-01-27T17:27:31 < aandrew> it's tagged LDO 2018-01-27T17:38:45 < dongs> its tagged ldo cuz you started a blog 2018-01-27T17:38:51 < dongs> about failing a regulator design 2018-01-27T17:48:10 -!- Guest3 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T17:48:15 -!- Guest3 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-27T17:49:13 -!- Guest3 [5c3f6450@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.63.100.80] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T17:49:46 < Guest3> \nic 2018-01-27T17:50:24 < Guest3> hi englishman 2018-01-27T17:50:43 < Guest3> whats up? 2018-01-27T17:51:54 < Steffanx> Hows russia laurenceb? 2018-01-27T17:52:08 < Guest3> not so bad 2018-01-27T17:52:16 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2018-01-27T17:52:20 < Guest3> I had to hack some elections 2018-01-27T17:52:28 < Guest3> before they would let me back online 2018-01-27T17:52:32 < tct> what's happening again? 2018-01-27T17:52:37 < tct> when will laurence grow up? 2018-01-27T17:52:54 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!5c3f6450@*.100.80] by Steffanx 2018-01-27T17:52:54 -!- Guest3 was kicked from ##stm32 by Steffanx [Bye] 2018-01-27T17:53:22 < dongs> RIP 2018-01-27T17:53:28 < dongs> time to sleep, gonna bike ~30km tomrorow 2018-01-27T17:54:01 < tct> enjoy mr. dongs 2018-01-27T17:54:07 < tct> also, take care and stuff 2018-01-27T17:58:35 -!- Guest13 [c358d18e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.88.209.142] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T17:59:10 < Guest13> hi tct 2018-01-27T18:00:11 < Guest13> well I have work to do, enjoy ur dead channel 2018-01-27T18:00:18 < Guest13> laters 2018-01-27T18:01:21 -!- Guest13 [c358d18e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.88.209.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-27T18:05:37 < tct> stop being a child, Mr. baxter 2018-01-27T18:09:25 <@englishman> how are the innovations, tectu 2018-01-27T18:09:42 < Thorn> Dave made a video about tpw_rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MD88EYLdQQ 2018-01-27T18:10:16 <@Steffanx> tpw_rules is involved in that Thorn? 2018-01-27T18:10:27 <@Steffanx> oh, that's a yes 2018-01-27T18:12:17 < Thorn> apparently he hacked the ele^H^H^Hmultimeter 2018-01-27T18:16:53 <@Steffanx> oh, even without actual access to the hw. nice job tpw_rules 2018-01-27T18:16:57 <@Steffanx> How long did it take you? 2018-01-27T18:19:38 < tct> nice work, mr. tpw_rules o.O 2018-01-27T18:20:23 < tpw_rules> oh 2018-01-27T18:20:25 < tpw_rules> yes that was me 2018-01-27T18:20:39 < tpw_rules> on both counts 2018-01-27T18:20:59 < tpw_rules> it was probably a week of only work on it to get a mostly complete database 2018-01-27T18:21:12 < tpw_rules> https://github.com/tpwrules/121gw-re/wiki 2018-01-27T18:21:44 < tpw_rules> helped significantly by the binary being completely unprotected and their compiler being garbage 2018-01-27T18:22:21 < tct> exactly what was your motivation to do that? first of all you don't have that meter and second of all I'm sure you'd just get a better meter if that would be a problem 2018-01-27T18:22:43 < tpw_rules> half boredom and half spite that they said it was so hackable but refused to release the source 2018-01-27T18:22:59 < tpw_rules> and half wanting to know exactly how a meter worked 2018-01-27T18:23:20 < tpw_rules> i paid for that meter but it keeps getting delayed >:( 2018-01-27T18:23:23 < tct> sounds like you're a man of time 2018-01-27T18:23:32 < tpw_rules> right now, yes 2018-01-27T18:24:03 < tpw_rules> i'm studying abroad this semester and it doesn't start til 2 months after the semester would here. so i've got 2 months to do absolutely nothing 2018-01-27T18:24:03 < tct> how come, if may ask? that always equally amazes and confuses me 2018-01-27T18:24:12 < tct> aah, I see 2018-01-27T18:24:19 < tpw_rules> and that week was a terrible snowstorm here that shut down the city. so it was wake up, work on ida for 14 hours, go to bed 2018-01-27T18:24:27 < tpw_rules> cause the alternative was nothing 2018-01-27T18:24:41 < tct> lol you 2018-01-27T18:24:51 < tct> anyway, nice work - really :) 2018-01-27T18:24:54 < tpw_rules> thank you 2018-01-27T18:24:59 < tpw_rules> now if only i could get a damn meter! 2018-01-27T18:25:11 < tct> what's the problem? 2018-01-27T18:25:27 < tct> and why on earth would somebody build a "hackable" hand held DMM? 2018-01-27T18:25:41 < tpw_rules> they released to AU first, then EU, then the USA. i got the FW from an AU user, but the USA meters are delayed to fix an issue with the switch 2018-01-27T18:25:47 < tpw_rules> and i'm in the USA 2018-01-27T18:25:56 < tpw_rules> idk ask dave 2018-01-27T18:26:08 < tpw_rules> frankly, it needs it ;P 2018-01-27T18:27:05 < tpw_rules> and yeah it was a lot of divining information from careful readings of the manual, videos, and the open source phone app 2018-01-27T18:27:23 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-27T18:33:46 < aandrew> hm, maybe I will use this TAS2552 2018-01-27T18:33:50 < aandrew> just to see how it goes 2018-01-27T18:35:39 < aandrew> or maybe I'll do both the TAS2552, TAS2505 and PAM8303 2018-01-27T18:37:32 < aandrew> testing using I2S out vs shitty DAC out vs PDM-to-analog 2018-01-27T18:37:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fdebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T18:52:44 < Cracki> nice docs on the 121! 2018-01-27T18:59:35 < tct> http://paste.ugfx.io/sores/99d72c7fc3e2/875d2fec46ae.jpg 2018-01-27T19:01:25 < Cracki> naked hiking :D 2018-01-27T19:01:51 < BrainDamage> ... by a boner? 2018-01-27T19:02:15 < Cracki> it's like a frog. you look at how high it stands. 2018-01-27T19:02:58 < BrainDamage> that doesn't really improve my understanding, but I'm not sure if i should inquire further 2018-01-27T19:03:34 < BrainDamage> 2nd pic looks more like chthulu's head 2018-01-27T19:08:05 < Rob235> I got this $4 mini file set from lowes and it makes cleaning up 3d prints so much easier 2018-01-27T19:09:04 < tct> we are very happy to hear that, Rob235 2018-01-27T19:10:14 < Rob235> I'm sure you are :) 2018-01-27T19:10:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T19:11:54 <@Steffanx> Lo 2018-01-27T19:12:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-27T19:13:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-27T19:14:27 <@englishman> >they said it was so hackable but refused to release the source 2018-01-27T19:14:30 <@englishman> tpw_rules: seriously/ 2018-01-27T19:15:36 <@englishman> also, boston? because even atlanta got "shut down" by snow 2018-01-27T19:15:40 <@englishman> but that doesnt count 2018-01-27T19:17:15 <@englishman> also, is this where you got your name https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Power_Wrestling 2018-01-27T19:17:50 < tct> how's weekending, englishman ? 2018-01-27T19:18:01 <@englishman> excellent 2018-01-27T19:18:13 <@englishman> eating some beef knee stew 2018-01-27T19:18:24 <@englishman> going to cook the filet mignon tonight 2018-01-27T19:18:52 <@englishman> maybe a fondue 2018-01-27T19:19:07 < tct> it is tonight 2018-01-27T19:19:12 <@englishman> how about yourself 2018-01-27T19:19:23 < tct> going extremely well as well 2018-01-27T19:19:28 < tct> just had some nice beef steak 2018-01-27T19:19:33 < tct> about to open a beer 2018-01-27T19:19:49 <@Steffanx> All you need now is some waffles 2018-01-27T19:19:54 <@englishman> ^ 2018-01-27T19:20:05 < tct> still waiting on the offer 2018-01-27T19:20:11 <@Steffanx> lies 2018-01-27T19:20:23 <@englishman> weren't you the first 2018-01-27T19:20:27 < tct> is the process stuck on my side? 2018-01-27T19:20:41 < tct> englishman, I was - way back. apaarently it's now no longer a tectu-exclusive service 2018-01-27T19:21:01 <@englishman> can i buy tectu's waffels so he doesnt get any 2018-01-27T19:21:11 <@Steffanx> Sure. 2018-01-27T19:21:31 <@Steffanx> but the stock is 0 atm 2018-01-27T19:21:54 < tct> that would be very un-nice of you you, Sir. 2018-01-27T19:21:58 <@englishman> have the dogs not bothered to deliver yet 2018-01-27T19:22:05 <@Steffanx> no, tuesday -_- 2018-01-27T19:22:14 < polymorph> hello 2018-01-27T19:22:17 < polymorph> whats up 2018-01-27T19:22:30 <@Steffanx> It's like ARROW. That make promises, but dont keep their end of the deal englishman. 2018-01-27T19:22:37 <@Steffanx> stroopwaffles, polymorph 2018-01-27T19:22:53 < tct> can I pay in gold bars? 2018-01-27T19:22:58 <@Steffanx> ofcourse 2018-01-27T19:23:02 < tct> smallest unit 1kg 2018-01-27T19:24:15 < tpw_rules> englishman: ya 2018-01-27T19:24:22 < polymorph> that is a good planar baking apparatus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stroopwafelijzer.jpg 2018-01-27T19:24:56 < polymorph> and it is awesome that its tickness can be dialed in with 100um precision ;> 2018-01-27T19:25:08 <@englishman> so what is "hackable" 2018-01-27T19:25:17 <@englishman> that isnt hackable on every other dmm 2018-01-27T19:25:46 < tct> probably tag-connect footprint 2018-01-27T19:26:18 <@englishman> oh, that explains why its $265 2018-01-27T19:26:28 < tpw_rules> englishman: there's a schematic and an open bootloader 2018-01-27T19:26:34 < polymorph> do you know any silicone like stuff that can widthstand 600-800°C? 2018-01-27T19:26:52 <@englishman> ah, so it was cloning prevention 2018-01-27T19:27:04 < tpw_rules> i mean not really 2018-01-27T19:27:16 < tpw_rules> the chip isn't locked and the firmware is just a flash image 2018-01-27T19:27:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T19:27:43 <@Steffanx> Im not joking when i say i have 9.2kG of waffles coming my way, tct / englishman :P 2018-01-27T19:28:06 <@englishman> L152, interesting 2018-01-27T19:28:26 < tpw_rules> yeah it's the monster LQFP144 cat4 2018-01-27T19:28:30 <@Steffanx> i like how they use an external RTC and not the internal RTC. Why? 2018-01-27T19:28:51 < tpw_rules> cause the the entire circuit is disconnected from battery when the range switch is off 2018-01-27T19:29:00 < tpw_rules> except the rtc has its own 2032 2018-01-27T19:29:05 < tpw_rules> or similar 2018-01-27T19:29:26 <@englishman> really 2018-01-27T19:29:30 < tpw_rules> yeah 2018-01-27T19:29:36 <@englishman> well i guess so swapping batteries doesnt reset clock 2018-01-27T19:29:37 <@Steffanx> but.. you could've just as well wired up VBAT right? 2018-01-27T19:29:49 < tpw_rules> they probably didn't want to figure out pin leakage and sleep current and stuff 2018-01-27T19:29:53 <@Steffanx> -_- 2018-01-27T19:30:06 < tpw_rules> idk. it's stilly in a lot of ways 2018-01-27T19:30:12 <@englishman> on L series thats rather silly 2018-01-27T19:30:27 < tpw_rules> like the main adc/meter engine is spi. but they bitbang it 2018-01-27T19:30:49 < tpw_rules> i think they almost used an external eeprom too 2018-01-27T19:30:53 <@englishman> what is UEI, a chinese co? 2018-01-27T19:30:55 <@Steffanx> must have been great fun figuring that out by reverse engineering the stuff 2018-01-27T19:31:06 < tpw_rules> i'm not entirely sure 2018-01-27T19:31:08 <@englishman> hm no, usa 2018-01-27T19:31:13 < tpw_rules> they're in like wisconsin but they have a UEI (Asia) 2018-01-27T19:31:26 < tpw_rules> i assume the firmware was sub-sub-subcontracted cause it's hot garbage 2018-01-27T19:31:46 <@englishman> what is a class 4 chip? 2018-01-27T19:32:01 < tpw_rules> 384K rom, 48K ram, LQFP144 2018-01-27T19:32:35 <@englishman> yeah but where does the name come from 2018-01-27T19:32:40 < tpw_rules> oh. the datasheet 2018-01-27T19:32:50 < tpw_rules> a lot of things are like *this register is only in cat 4 devices 2018-01-27T19:33:16 < tpw_rules> like only cat>=4 has dual banked flash 2018-01-27T19:34:12 <@englishman> ahh its in rm 2018-01-27T19:34:17 < tpw_rules> anyway 44 of the pins are used for the segment lcd and another 16 are for buttons. the rest is misc control siganls, it actually seems nearly full on GPIO. like at least 80% used 2018-01-27T19:34:31 <@englishman> https://i.imgur.com/gccaIeu.png 2018-01-27T19:35:40 <@englishman> i guess thats their new value line / medium density etc. nomenclature 2018-01-27T19:36:11 <@englishman> cool stuff 2018-01-27T19:36:27 < tpw_rules> yea reversing it was great fun 2018-01-27T19:36:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-27T19:36:59 * tpw_rules gets assassinated by ilfak 2018-01-27T19:37:39 < PaulFertser> Why the hell didn't they publish sources anyway? 2018-01-27T19:38:21 < tct> englishman, are they available at arrows? 2018-01-27T19:38:37 < tpw_rules> idk. i've heard people stanning like "they were concerned about liability for modifications to their firmware" but like it's so bad literally any mod will make it better 2018-01-27T19:39:07 < tpw_rules> and well i think the whole deal was dave got exclusive distribution rights for this design and they use his 'expertise' to design the meter and get to retool it for future products 2018-01-27T19:39:47 < tpw_rules> oh i finally remembered why i hate it. it was repressed 2018-01-27T19:40:17 < tpw_rules> the authors must have gone into anaphylaxis at the sight of a local variable 2018-01-27T19:41:46 < tpw_rules> like multiple team members died before they learned their lesson of not having a single one in the entire program 2018-01-27T20:01:13 -!- dan3wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T20:04:52 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-27T20:18:59 < sync> tpw_rules: #yolo 2018-01-27T20:22:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T20:59:27 < Rob235> damnit, I already broke one of the files I bought this morning :/ 2018-01-27T21:00:01 <@Steffanx> files? 2018-01-27T21:00:10 <@Steffanx> oh files :P 2018-01-27T21:00:11 < Rob235> metal file for sanding 2018-01-27T21:00:11 <@Steffanx> nevermind 2018-01-27T21:00:20 < Rob235> or whatever you want to call it 2018-01-27T21:00:47 < Rob235> it was a set of 6 for $4 and the handle broke one of the only two I needed, the round one 2018-01-27T21:01:44 < Rob235> I dont think they are meant to be spun around 2018-01-27T21:04:07 <@Steffanx> using them with a drill? 2018-01-27T21:04:39 < Rob235> I was expanding the screw holes so I was using it like a screwdriver and it got stuck but the handle kept spinning 2018-01-27T21:04:49 <@Steffanx> haha 2018-01-27T21:04:58 <@Steffanx> whops 2018-01-27T21:05:18 < Rob235> it was perfect too, 3mm diameter which is the size screws I'm using 2018-01-27T21:15:18 < Rob235> I need a metric drill bit set 2018-01-27T21:40:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T22:22:33 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-27T22:23:29 < Cracki> M3 screws? they like 3.2-3.4mm holes 2018-01-27T22:23:38 < Cracki> or less if you're tapping 2018-01-27T22:25:57 < Cracki> use a mostly stabbing motion 2018-01-27T22:26:03 < Cracki> for a round file 2018-01-27T22:37:44 <@Steffanx> 3,- isnt actually THAT bad. 2018-01-27T23:10:36 <@Steffanx> zyp didnt you use google apps for your email stuff? 2018-01-27T23:42:38 -!- tekko [~tekkar@95.173.76.1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T23:46:49 -!- tekko [~tekkar@95.173.76.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-27T23:50:22 -!- tekko [~tekkar@95.173.76.1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-27T23:51:40 < tct> englishman, behold: arrow content: http://zipcpu.com/blog/2017/12/16/max1k.html --- Day changed Sun Jan 28 2018 2018-01-28T00:09:35 < aandrew> wow that is a 10m08 on that $30 board? 2018-01-28T00:09:43 < aandrew> colour me impressed 2018-01-28T00:24:57 <@englishman> tct: loo 2018-01-28T00:24:59 <@englishman> see 2018-01-28T00:25:03 <@englishman> arrow in a nutshell 2018-01-28T00:25:16 <@englishman> great idea - great price - probably lots of stock too 2018-01-28T00:25:21 <@englishman> But no follow-through 2018-01-28T00:27:25 <@englishman> Also his link to it is broken on arrow.com 2018-01-28T00:28:00 <@englishman> https://www.arrow.com/en/products/max1000/arrow-electronics 2018-01-28T00:28:30 < tct> but + FREE 1-DAY SHIPPING 2018-01-28T00:28:36 <@englishman> Free worldwide overnight too 2018-01-28T00:28:38 <@englishman> Yeah man 2018-01-28T00:28:45 <@englishman> Arrow is REALLY nice 2018-01-28T00:28:48 <@englishman> ...... On paper 2018-01-28T00:29:09 < tct> this sounds like inverse-laurence 2018-01-28T00:29:14 <@Steffanx> Better not use dhl. Theyll screw you over at customs 2018-01-28T00:29:44 <@Steffanx> "free" isnt accepted by the customs. 2018-01-28T00:50:52 < upgrdman> in windows, if you click a taskbar icon, is it possible to make it ALWAYS open in the monitor that you clicked from? 2018-01-28T01:18:57 -!- R0b0t1 [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-28T01:20:10 -!- R0b0t1 [~~@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T01:29:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2018-01-28T01:41:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T01:46:05 -!- brabo [~brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-28T01:48:15 -!- brabo [~brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T02:10:40 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-28T02:15:01 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T02:38:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fdebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-28T02:46:05 -!- tekko [~tekkar@95.173.76.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-28T02:47:10 -!- tekko [~tekkar@95.173.76.1] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T02:48:29 < branjb> too bad it's altera 2018-01-28T02:50:38 < tct> somebody please tell me to go to bed 2018-01-28T03:01:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T03:03:04 < stvn> get out 2018-01-28T03:04:52 < MrMobius> ping Laurenceb 2018-01-28T03:05:03 < MrMobius> time to say creepy shit so tct will leave 2018-01-28T03:22:02 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T03:28:30 < branjb> Laurenceb got banished 2018-01-28T03:36:17 < stvn> again? 2018-01-28T03:37:20 < MrMobius> dang 2018-01-28T03:37:24 < MrMobius> sorry tct 2018-01-28T03:38:01 < branjb> I got a ryobi battery powered air blower that blows at 100 mph 2018-01-28T03:38:13 < branjb> amazing how much one battery can do 2018-01-28T03:40:53 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T03:41:26 < branjb> i was using it to shoot quadcopters out of the sky 2018-01-28T03:44:56 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-28T03:56:48 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BeeYW0NA1HU/ 2018-01-28T04:00:48 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-28T04:02:32 < polymorph> Hello dudes 2018-01-28T04:02:38 -!- ThomasK_ [~Thomas@ip5f58bb26.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T04:03:00 < polymorph> how do you feel about interrupts and atomic operations on STM32s? 2018-01-28T04:04:27 < branjb> interrupts are great 2018-01-28T04:05:46 < polymorph> on avrs http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__util__atomic.html 2018-01-28T04:06:35 < polymorph> The macros in this header file deal with code blocks that are guaranteed to be excuted Atomically or Non-Atmomically. 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2018-01-28T11:35:16 < dongs> polymorph: TPS63001 or something? 2018-01-28T11:35:42 < polymorph> i am looking at a micropower LDO 3,3V/0,15A SOT23-5 now 2018-01-28T11:35:43 < kakimir> "low iq ldo" 2018-01-28T11:36:23 < polymorph> 150 mA should do for the series? 2018-01-28T11:36:37 < polymorph> As maximum 2018-01-28T11:39:04 < dongs> single cell lipo goes below 3.3V 2018-01-28T11:39:10 < polymorph> dongs: looking into thanks, i also saw LF33, TPS76433DBVTG4 2018-01-28T11:39:31 < dongs> you dont need a LDO, you need a buckboost for single cell battery 2018-01-28T11:39:38 < dongs> because it can and definitely will go below 3.3V 2018-01-28T11:39:53 < polymorph> ;/ 2018-01-28T11:41:09 < dongs> its not a big deal 2018-01-28T11:41:18 < dongs> tps63001 is very simple 2018-01-28T11:41:24 < Emil> dongs: lol no 2018-01-28T11:41:25 < dongs> just IC + cap + inductor 2018-01-28T11:41:31 < dongs> Emil: lol no what 2018-01-28T11:41:32 < Emil> dongs: dropping below 3.3 is almost guaranteeed broken 2018-01-28T11:41:37 < Emil> for current lipos 2018-01-28T11:41:38 < dongs> wut 2018-01-28T11:41:52 < Emil> the charge is usually 4.2-3.6 or 3.5 2018-01-28T11:43:42 < dongs> i donno man, 3V is waht I usually started worrying about 2018-01-28T11:43:56 < polymorph> well lipos don't like light loaad voltage below 3V6 2018-01-28T11:43:57 < dongs> if thats not the case then yeah pick some low Iq ldo 2018-01-28T11:44:11 < polymorph> heavy load 3V maybe 2018-01-28T11:44:23 < polymorph> 1-10C 2018-01-28T11:44:26 < Emil> dongs: for current lipos that's reaaally bad 2018-01-28T11:44:52 < dongs> https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2018/01/24/how-tos/can-sue-japan-get-back-money-spent-former-fiancee/ found zyp 2018-01-28T11:45:03 < polymorph> i usually set my lvc to 3V45 at 1A 2018-01-28T11:45:32 < polymorph> (for a 2Ah5 cell) 2018-01-28T11:46:35 < dongs> ok then disregard everythign I've said, i suck cocks. 2018-01-28T11:46:42 < dongs> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/sot23-5.ldos.dongs 2018-01-28T11:46:50 < dongs> pick somethign from here then 2018-01-28T11:47:13 < polymorph> dongs: i remember i read that stm32f373 keep operating at 3V 2018-01-28T11:47:19 < dongs> oh sure 2018-01-28T11:47:27 < dongs> i thimk most are good down to 1.8 or at least 2.4 2018-01-28T11:47:36 < polymorph> it is just adc stops working below 2V5 or something ? 2018-01-28T11:47:37 < dongs> as long as you dont have any other shit that must be at 3.3V then youre fine 2018-01-28T11:47:53 < polymorph> should i go for 2V5 instead? 2018-01-28T11:48:08 < dongs> what other stuff is on the board? 2018-01-28T11:48:19 < dongs> needing 3.3 basically depends on what else is hooked up 2018-01-28T11:48:23 < polymorph> umm... display 2018-01-28T11:48:28 < dongs> youc ould do 2.8 2018-01-28T11:48:32 < polymorph> that would need 3v3 2018-01-28T11:48:40 < dongs> well, then there you go 2018-01-28T11:48:46 < dongs> what kinda display? china oled shit? 2018-01-28T11:48:55 < polymorph> 7segment + 595 2018-01-28T11:49:13 < polymorph> but it doesn't care really, it would be fine without regulator 2018-01-28T11:50:03 < Emil> polymorph: bro 2018-01-28T11:50:05 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-28T11:50:09 < Emil> if your dispaly is a 7 segment 2018-01-28T11:50:11 < Emil> and red 2018-01-28T11:50:19 < Emil> it has a vf of around 1.6V 2018-01-28T11:50:29 < polymorph> 1.6-2v5 2018-01-28T11:50:30 < Emil> when you are pushing 20mA through it 2018-01-28T11:50:47 < Emil> wat 2018-01-28T11:50:54 < polymorph> but it requires series current limiters 2018-01-28T11:51:03 < polymorph> resistor is simplest 2018-01-28T11:51:07 < Emil> 7 segments _always_ require resistors 2018-01-28T11:51:23 < Emil> unless you drive from a constant current source 2018-01-28T11:51:40 < polymorph> Emil: well you can wire the leds directly to a cd4093 but it will not like it really 2018-01-28T11:51:55 < dongs> how many segments 2018-01-28T11:52:04 < Emil> and how old 2018-01-28T11:52:09 < polymorph> thinking about 4-6 2018-01-28T11:52:13 < dongs> abuse a 16 channel cc led driver 2018-01-28T11:52:25 < dongs> bottom channels for segment and top + fet for commons 2018-01-28T11:52:40 < dongs> oh, is this the discussion from few days ago about using acutal LCD 2018-01-28T11:52:42 < dongs> and not led/wahtever 2018-01-28T11:52:50 < Emil> also 2018-01-28T11:52:55 < polymorph> no i have multiple projects 2018-01-28T11:52:57 < Emil> using 7 segments is pretty stupid imho :D 2018-01-28T11:53:02 < polymorph> why? 2018-01-28T11:53:07 < polymorph> i like them 2018-01-28T11:53:20 < Emil> require a lot of current and you get little value 2018-01-28T11:53:23 < polymorph> Emil: they glow nicely in dark 2018-01-28T11:53:29 < Emil> that's true 2018-01-28T11:53:35 < dongs> wait what 2018-01-28T11:53:37 < dongs> .. glow? 2018-01-28T11:53:45 < dongs> we're talking about liquid crystal display yeah? 2018-01-28T11:53:46 < polymorph> well, leds glow 2018-01-28T11:53:49 < polymorph> shine 2018-01-28T11:54:06 < dongs> few days ago it was lcd. now tis led 7seg? 2018-01-28T11:54:22 < Emil> dongs: multiple projects 2018-01-28T11:54:24 < Emil> apparently 2018-01-28T11:54:27 < polymorph> dongs: i will have a 4 digit LCD too 2018-01-28T11:54:38 < dongs> stonerrific 2018-01-28T11:54:44 < polymorph> i am planning to put a connector on it and use whatever i want 2018-01-28T11:55:08 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dyvyyhkpbcp9zwsy1k69y-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-28T11:55:41 < polymorph> dongs: i will have a 4 digit 7seg+dp led display, and a 4 digit 7seg+dp lcd with maybe a backlight if i can put one on it 2018-01-28T11:55:53 < Emil> but why 2018-01-28T11:55:57 < Emil> why not just use a lcd :D 2018-01-28T11:56:18 < Emil> lcd requires a lot less current and you get a lot more pixels 2018-01-28T11:56:22 < polymorph> Emil: lcd requires cpu power to refresh ;/ 2018-01-28T11:56:35 < Emil> just dma it out 2018-01-28T11:56:37 < polymorph> Emil: also in the dark, i think leds might be better 2018-01-28T11:56:43 < polymorph> hehe :) 2018-01-28T11:57:22 < polymorph> Emil: no i am talking about bare LCD, this: https://cdn.sos.sk/productdata/34/47/0369a0f3/lcd-4-0-13-de-119-rs-20-7-5-1.pdf 2018-01-28T11:58:02 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/uBn5J1C.png my favorite abuse 2018-01-28T11:58:24 < polymorph> Emil: and here is a superbright 4 digit led display http://www.kingbrightusa.com/images/catalog/SPEC/CA56-11SRWA.pdf 2018-01-28T11:59:08 < dongs> this works up to 8 digits 2018-01-28T11:59:09 < polymorph> dongs: im fine with 595 thanks lel 2018-01-28T11:59:43 < polymorph> did a test with 6 digits matrixed to 2x595, but i rather static it 2018-01-28T11:59:57 < polymorph> i don't like refreshing and flicker 2018-01-28T12:00:25 < polymorph> (i might pwm it though) 2018-01-28T12:06:08 < Emil> polymorph: ah 2018-01-28T12:06:16 < Emil> polymorph: add a backlight 2018-01-28T12:06:21 < Emil> instead of 7 segments :D 2018-01-28T12:06:28 < Emil> but still 2018-01-28T12:06:36 < Emil> why use such outdated technology :D 2018-01-28T12:06:47 < dongs> stoner 2018-01-28T12:06:49 < dongs> thats why 2018-01-28T12:06:55 < Emil> ALSO 2018-01-28T12:06:57 < Emil> umm 2018-01-28T12:07:06 < Emil> you want resistors on every led 2018-01-28T12:07:16 < dongs> where? 2018-01-28T12:07:18 < Emil> bro do you even electronics design :D 2018-01-28T12:07:19 < dongs> in my sch? 2018-01-28T12:07:23 < Emil> >https://i.imgur.com/uBn5J1C.png 2018-01-28T12:07:28 < dongs> uh 2018-01-28T12:07:30 < dongs> thats a led driver 2018-01-28T12:07:35 < dongs> it doesnt need resistors 2018-01-28T12:07:37 < Emil> dongs: ah 2018-01-28T12:07:50 < Emil> ah yeah got it mixed up with polymorphs 2018-01-28T12:08:23 < dongs> i mean i could have used a shift register but im lazy and same setup with shift reg would need 2 of them 2018-01-28T12:08:24 < Emil> dongs: but why not fet 2018-01-28T12:08:48 < Emil> also not abuse, 7 segments are leds just fine 2018-01-28T12:09:29 < dongs> emil, abuse because using higher led bits to drive commons 2018-01-28T12:09:59 < polymorph> Emil: usually i would use pnp transistor instead of pfet to, availability, and just works 2018-01-28T12:11:15 < polymorph> Emil: i bought a meter of sot23 mosfet though, they are n-channel 2018-01-28T12:12:24 < Emil> polymorph: from a reputable supplier? 2018-01-28T12:12:32 < polymorph> my supply candiddates: LP2985A-33DBVT TPS76433DBVTG4 for 150mA max, low power, LF 33 CDT-TR if more required 2018-01-28T12:12:35 < Emil> if from china, why even bother :D 2018-01-28T12:12:51 < polymorph> Emil: they do work 2018-01-28T12:12:59 < Emil> you get quality guarantees from a reputable supplier and the cost is a few cents more 2018-01-28T12:16:45 < dongs> pumpco 2018-01-28T12:16:49 < dongs> ^ reputable supplier 2018-01-28T12:26:03 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T12:26:18 < polymorph> Emil: is NXP Semiconductor or ON Semiconductor good for you standards? 2018-01-28T12:31:46 < stvn> i want new IGBT sir 2018-01-28T12:35:29 < Emil> polymorph: yes 2018-01-28T12:35:41 < Emil> polymorph: the issue is not the manufacturer 2018-01-28T12:35:45 < Emil> the issue is who you source it from 2018-01-28T12:37:20 < stvn> the filthy parts pipe 2018-01-28T12:40:18 < polymorph> stvn: how about an 1200 V, 65 A, 59 mOhm mosfet? 2018-01-28T12:41:15 < stvn> n 2018-01-28T12:42:34 < Emil> >59mOhm that's dropping around 4 Watts at 65A 2018-01-28T12:42:52 < Emil> wait 2018-01-28T12:42:54 < Emil> cant into math 2018-01-28T12:43:03 < polymorph> ;< 2018-01-28T12:43:06 < polymorph> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/group3/ed/c3/36/02/67/0f/46/f4/DM00301829/files/DM00301829.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00301829.pdf 2018-01-28T12:43:09 < polymorph> try this 2018-01-28T12:43:42 < Emil> 250 watts 2018-01-28T12:43:46 < Emil> at 65A 2018-01-28T12:44:18 < Emil> and voltage drop of 4 volts 2018-01-28T12:44:42 < polymorph> i think cree was first in this game http://www.cree.com/news-media/news/article/cree-redefines-the-discrete-power-mosfet-landscape-with-the-industry-s-first-900-v-sic-mosfet 2018-01-28T12:46:26 < polymorph> http://www.szapl.com/manage/images/20151414263514.pdf 2018-01-28T12:46:33 < polymorph> this is the new tech 2018-01-28T12:47:29 < polymorph> Emil: you do know that you need to add switching losses right? 2018-01-28T12:47:45 < Emil> polymorph: bro 2018-01-28T12:47:52 < Emil> you don't switch IGBT that fast 2018-01-28T12:48:02 < polymorph> these are mosfets 2018-01-28T12:48:26 < Emil> well, sure 2018-01-28T12:48:38 < polymorph> can switch at 100kHz 2018-01-28T12:48:51 < Emil> the capacitance is not that big 2018-01-28T12:49:03 < Emil> With a proper driver it should work 2018-01-28T12:49:17 < polymorph> oh and how about the drain swinging 1200V at 50A load? :) 2018-01-28T12:50:41 < Emil> Not a big issue 2018-01-28T12:51:02 < polymorph> k :) 2018-01-28T13:30:16 < polymorph> hm ons datasheet telling some bullshit at page 6 Dropout Voltage https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/LP2950-D.PDF 2018-01-28T13:30:43 < polymorph> the graph does nat match the overcomplicated definition of the dropout voltage 2018-01-28T13:32:11 < polymorph> can you make sense of this sentence? LP2950, LP2951, NCV2951 www. onsemi.com 6 DEFINITIONS Dropout Voltage − The input/output voltage differential at which the regulator output no longer maintains regulation against further reductions in input voltage. Measured when the output drops 100 mV below its nominal value (which is measured at 1.0 V differential), dropout voltage is affected by junction temperature, load current and minim 2018-01-28T13:33:52 < polymorph> dick stuck in the ceiling fan situation following this explanation 2018-01-28T13:35:23 < Emil> I don't see the issue 2018-01-28T13:36:20 < polymorph> firstly where does 1V come from? 2018-01-28T13:36:56 < polymorph> the input-output Vdo on the graph is about 100mV on the graph 2018-01-28T13:39:25 < polymorph> main page says Low Input−to−Output V oltage Differential of 50 mV at 100 A and 380 mV at 100 mA - that would be ok, but 1V drop not 2018-01-28T13:51:55 < Emil> >100A 2018-01-28T13:51:56 < Emil> wot 2018-01-28T13:53:59 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: stvn] 2018-01-28T13:58:58 < tct> https://scontent-frt3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26991614_10159857122385364_8751090093657013412_n.jpg?oh=be15a2745c427894e79c34f888fb55b4&oe=5ADC92CF 2018-01-28T14:01:15 <@Steffanx> what did you do tct? 2018-01-28T14:01:42 < tct> sleep 2018-01-28T14:02:43 <@Steffanx> That's clear, but .. what was the plan? 2018-01-28T14:03:07 < tct> to sleep 2018-01-28T14:03:15 < tct> (picture isn't from me) 2018-01-28T14:08:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T14:12:49 < polymorph> uA it just cant be pasted 2018-01-28T14:15:51 <@Steffanx> uhm what polymorph? 2018-01-28T14:16:39 < sync> take a 2018-01-28T14:16:42 < sync> µ 2018-01-28T14:17:23 <@Steffanx> oh, it was response to Emil. 2018-01-28T14:18:05 < tct> at this point, faprence would post a swastika for sure 2018-01-28T14:18:24 < polymorph> who uses capacitive buttons? :) 2018-01-28T14:18:49 < polymorph> Steffanx: was for Emil ya 2018-01-28T14:22:51 < Emil> polymorph: whatcha wanna know about capacitive buttons 2018-01-28T14:23:44 < polymorph> Emil: i built prototype years ago, do you use them? 2018-01-28T14:23:44 < jadew> I wonder where this sci-fi movie is going... 13 minutes in and it had tentacle sex, sex, masturbation and gay sex 2018-01-28T14:23:47 < jadew> all with frontal nudity 2018-01-28T14:24:23 < polymorph> jadew: you into that? 2018-01-28T14:24:33 < jadew> I'm into sci-fi 2018-01-28T14:25:01 < jadew> tbh, thought this is going to be horror 2018-01-28T14:25:20 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah 2018-01-28T14:25:22 < zyp> why? 2018-01-28T14:26:10 < dongs> < polymorph> hm ons datasheet telling some bullshit at page 6 Dropout Voltage 2018-01-28T14:26:22 < dongs> uh i wouldnt ever use that part cuz none of those packages are standard 2018-01-28T14:26:35 < polymorph> ;/ 2018-01-28T14:26:40 < Emil> polymorph: not in a real completed design, not yet 2018-01-28T14:26:54 < polymorph> Emil: why not? ) 2018-01-28T14:27:11 < Emil> Haven't completed 2018-01-28T14:27:18 < polymorph> i am in progress creating a dev board that has a few capsense buttons integrated 2018-01-28T14:27:31 < polymorph> single layer, backside can be touched 2018-01-28T14:27:56 < dongs> why not touch the electrode directly? 2018-01-28T14:27:57 < polymorph> 2-3 or 4 maybe 2018-01-28T14:28:14 < polymorph> because isolated is the only proper way 2018-01-28T14:29:57 < polymorph> +, -, ok, cancel keys should be all one need ? 2018-01-28T14:31:00 < polymorph> setting temperature, voltage, timer and stuff 2018-01-28T14:31:00 <@Steffanx> "need" you can do it all with a single button.. 2018-01-28T14:31:15 < invzim> anyone have a fav dc switcher for about 1a or less, 3.3v? 2018-01-28T14:31:25 < dongs> whats VIN 2018-01-28T14:31:31 < invzim> about 5v 2018-01-28T14:31:35 < dongs> SY8088 2018-01-28T14:31:38 < invzim> down to 4.5 I guess (usb) 2018-01-28T14:31:42 < dongs> or any of their clones. 2018-01-28T14:31:45 < polymorph> Steffanx: ok, but :) but everybody is comfortable, i could get away with 2 buttons, +,- and still be decent 2018-01-28T14:32:21 <@Steffanx> but 4 like this is more userfriendly 2018-01-28T14:32:34 < dongs> you also have to consider touchsense groups on stm 2018-01-28T14:32:39 < dongs> and how many pins you can allocate to it. 2018-01-28T14:32:41 < polymorph> Steffanx: i would not like users to have to read a manual to use my stuff 2018-01-28T14:33:21 < invzim> silgery?! 2018-01-28T14:33:25 < polymorph> Steffanx: it however is a limiting factor that 7 seg can't disiplay all ascii characters, in that case i need a nokia display 2018-01-28T14:33:29 < invzim> never heardofem 2018-01-28T14:33:37 < dongs> invzim: they're like $0.08 in china 2018-01-28T14:33:46 < dongs> used on all cheap common chinkboards with a switcher on them 2018-01-28T14:34:13 <@Steffanx> oh, i was curious how you use it zyp. Own domain? 2018-01-28T14:36:10 < polymorph> ok i think i have a decision, ac supply regulation: LD1117, lipo reg: LP2985IM5-3.3, MC78PC33NTRG would work too 2018-01-28T14:37:23 < dongs> tehre's 14? something seg stuff that can do all ascii 2018-01-28T14:37:37 < dongs> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/images/appnotes/3211/3211Fig02.gif 2018-01-28T14:38:22 < polymorph> fuse, input TVS, LC filter, and optionally a triac crowbar before regulator if needed 2018-01-28T14:41:34 < polymorph> now i need to solder some stuff in a gps ;/ 2018-01-28T14:42:35 < dongs> http://ketturi.kapsi.fi/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/font.png 2018-01-28T14:42:44 < dongs> not bad 2018-01-28T14:42:54 < dongs> but autistic. just get a fucking graphical oled 2018-01-28T14:42:56 < dongs> its 218 2018-01-28T14:42:57 < dongs> 2018 2018-01-28T14:42:59 < dongs> not 1998 2018-01-28T14:54:02 < invzim> dongs: can only find prelim application note, and no mention of it on the silergy site? 2018-01-28T14:54:20 < dongs> hold on lemme see if im actually linking the right shit 2018-01-28T14:54:41 < invzim> looks compatible with TLV62565 tho 2018-01-28T14:55:01 < invzim> it's just so damn many options, never done switchers before 2018-01-28T14:56:57 < invzim> sending my first 0402 only board to the printers today, the 0.3/0.5mm via's fit the 0402 very nicely 2018-01-28T14:58:30 < dongs> ya SY8088 2018-01-28T14:59:02 < dongs> https://img.ozdisan.com/ETicaret_Dosya/448394_6921389.pdf or whatever chink shit link 2018-01-28T14:59:49 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/n6EEMO2.png mp tested 2018-01-28T15:00:39 < dongs> anyway, NCP1592 if you want something 'murican 2018-01-28T15:00:45 < dongs> err no 2018-01-28T15:01:02 < dongs> NCP1529 2018-01-28T15:01:20 < dongs> and there's a few pincompatible clones. 2018-01-28T15:01:29 < dongs> from richtek and others 2018-01-28T15:03:52 < invzim> 2.2uH coil? 2018-01-28T15:04:28 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-28T15:04:29 < dongs> 3010 2018-01-28T15:06:49 < invzim> thanks, I'll dig around a little - helps a lot to have proven real-life experience! 2018-01-28T15:33:48 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T15:34:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-28T15:36:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T16:05:39 -!- tct [~Tectu@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-28T16:09:57 -!- tct [~tct@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T16:11:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T16:14:11 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T16:20:00 -!- tct_ [~tct@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T16:22:55 -!- tct [~tct@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-28T16:26:34 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-28T16:34:50 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dyvyyhkq49qr56tld94dy-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T16:38:06 < kakimir> are you still arguing about LDO? 2018-01-28T16:38:34 < kakimir> I wonder if there is dedicated buck-boost chips to do just that 2018-01-28T16:38:45 < kakimir> 1cell -> 3v3 2018-01-28T16:39:05 < karlp> yeah, mcp1640 et al. 2018-01-28T16:39:09 < kakimir> maybe even integrated battery protection and charger or power source switch 2018-01-28T16:40:09 < karlp> mcp1640 is more for 1/2 AA -> 3.3V style though, not USB->3.3V 2018-01-28T16:40:55 < kakimir> what does et al. mean? 2018-01-28T16:41:19 < kakimir> et alia 2018-01-28T16:42:14 < kakimir> et cetera 2018-01-28T16:44:11 < polymorph> nah prepared 2 component epoxies 2018-01-28T16:45:42 < kakimir> polygamy 2018-01-28T16:46:49 < polymorph> only 2 component :> 2018-01-28T16:47:41 < polymorph> but 2 type, 5m/2h and 1h/24h 2018-01-28T16:49:29 < polymorph> kakimir: but i used polyester resin before 2018-01-28T16:50:15 < polymorph> cool thing about it is that it could continuously widthstand >130°C without even yellowing 2018-01-28T16:50:37 < polymorph> Is still transparent since years 2018-01-28T16:52:00 < polymorph> anybody tried using 32768Hz xtal yet triggering SysTick interrupt on STM32? ;) 2018-01-28T16:54:41 < polymorph> i have not found an internal way yet ;< it seems like i need to hack it 2018-01-28T16:55:44 < polymorph> Only i feel like that the RTC is dumb? 2018-01-28T16:56:42 < polymorph> it really could creep that calibration thing at least at 32kHz, not skip 1 second 2018-01-28T17:01:01 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@104-11-78-228.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 2018-01-28T17:05:44 < polymorph> wow the 373 has gain setting on the 16 bit adc 2018-01-28T17:37:13 <@Steffanx> zyp, to be more specific. Do you use it with your (multiple of) own domain(s) and multiple email addresses? And if so, does that mean you pay for each address/account or do you use aliases? 2018-01-28T17:41:21 < zyp> I've used domain aliases in the past, currently only use it for the main domain 2018-01-28T17:43:39 <@Steffanx> which means you only have to pay for a single account right? 2018-01-28T17:43:41 < zyp> I don't pay anything for anything, I've used gmail on my own domain since they started supporting that ages ago 2018-01-28T17:43:46 <@Steffanx> ah 2018-01-28T17:43:58 < zyp> so my account got grandfathered when they started requiring payment 2018-01-28T17:45:13 < jadew> same here, wish I created more 2018-01-28T17:45:35 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-28T17:45:41 < jadew> there are other free email hosting providers tho 2018-01-28T17:45:47 <@Steffanx> Nowadays it's 4 euro/month/account. So im not sure if i can do multiple emailaddresses/domains on a single account. 2018-01-28T17:45:48 < jadew> but they're not as good as gmail 2018-01-28T17:45:56 < zyp> July 6th, 2006 is when I started using gmail on my domain 2018-01-28T17:46:04 <@Steffanx> Should look into the aliases i guess 2018-01-28T17:47:53 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T17:48:38 < zyp> looks like the plan I got grandfathered covers up to 25 users with 15GB for each 2018-01-28T17:49:35 < jadew> I have unlimited users 2018-01-28T17:49:54 < zyp> I see that 4 EUR/user/mo plan is 30GB, and then there's an 8 EUR/user/mo plan with 1TB 2018-01-28T17:49:55 < jadew> where do you check this info tho? 2018-01-28T17:50:00 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-28T17:50:01 <@Steffanx> heh, google is being generous. That's like 100euro/month nowadays? 2018-01-28T17:50:20 < zyp> seems like it 2018-01-28T17:51:14 < zyp> jadew, https://admin.google.com/AdminHome#DomainSettings/notab=1&subtab=subscriptions 2018-01-28T17:52:40 < zyp> got nine users registered, but looks like only five are still using it actively, me included 2018-01-28T17:52:55 < zyp> actively being «has signed in this year» 2018-01-28T17:53:00 < jadew> zyp, I can't use that link because I'm logged in with multiple users 2018-01-28T17:53:10 < jadew> where do you go from the AdminHome page? 2018-01-28T17:53:19 < jadew> I can't find anything called DomainSettings 2018-01-28T17:53:23 < zyp> invoicing 2018-01-28T17:53:44 < zyp> the button that looks like a credit card 2018-01-28T17:53:58 < jadew> got it 2018-01-28T17:54:04 < jadew> so it says Licenses: 50 2018-01-28T17:54:08 < jadew> what does that mean? 2018-01-28T17:54:15 < zyp> yeah, that 2018-01-28T17:54:17 < zyp> mine says 25 2018-01-28T17:54:23 < jadew> ah, so not unlimited 2018-01-28T17:54:29 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/nTQHO.png 2018-01-28T17:54:50 < jadew> yep, mine is 50 / 22, because I have 22 users 2018-01-28T17:54:58 < jadew> most of them mine... 2018-01-28T17:56:01 <@Steffanx> aliases seems to work. I can deal with that. 2018-01-28T17:56:10 <@Steffanx> 22 email addresses -_- 2018-01-28T17:56:32 < jadew> I like to keep things separate 2018-01-28T17:57:32 < jadew> it's funny they give you the option to cancel the free subscription 2018-01-28T17:59:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-28T18:00:04 -!- tct_ is now known as tct 2018-01-28T18:04:40 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dyvyyhkq49qr56tld94dy-4.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-28T18:31:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T18:32:36 < Rob235> .WANG? 2018-01-28T18:32:44 < Rob235> nice domain 2018-01-28T18:36:00 < polymorph> DIY printer and linear drives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgU__c4NgrM haha this guy is cool 2018-01-28T18:37:34 < branjb> what accent is that? 2018-01-28T18:41:55 < Rob235> indian arnold 2018-01-28T18:42:00 < jsoft> Man the RTC alarm stuff is a dick to set up 2018-01-28T18:42:16 < jsoft> with its silly lock codes and annoying sequences 2018-01-28T18:44:04 < Rob235> how does he pronounce circuit? it sounds like circewit 2018-01-28T18:47:08 < Rob235> I hope my printer works that well :P 2018-01-28T18:54:25 < polymorph> branjb: maybe russian? 2018-01-28T18:54:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T18:55:19 < polymorph> jsoft: ya i think the RTC is dumb too, i rather software RTC 2018-01-28T18:55:44 < polymorph> RTC should only be a single counter lol 2018-01-28T18:56:01 < jsoft> What is annoying is the hoops that must be jumped through to get it working 2018-01-28T18:56:15 < jsoft> I am questioning if the LL code MX generated is a bit broken 2018-01-28T18:57:12 < jsoft> As I was only going to use the alarms to act as a long term timer, I think I might bin it and just use the LPTIMER 2018-01-28T18:57:27 < jsoft> And just do my own counting in there. 2018-01-28T19:09:34 < polymorph> jsoft: i did software "rtc" on avr 2018-01-28T19:10:15 < polymorph> it was within 5s per day 2018-01-28T19:10:17 < jsoft> All I really need is 'wake up after 1 day' or whatever 2018-01-28T19:10:28 < jsoft> So I can do that with a normal timer 2018-01-28T19:10:39 < jsoft> Save fighting the stupid config requirements 2018-01-28T19:10:51 < sync> branjb: really strange german one 2018-01-28T19:10:52 < polymorph> yeah crystal oscilators are accurate mostly 2018-01-28T19:11:28 < polymorph> jsoft: increment a 32 or 64 bit var with a timer overflow :) 2018-01-28T19:12:43 < polymorph> it is just nice to have a watch crystal because they were designed for accurate timekeeping 2018-01-28T19:13:44 < jsoft> polymorph, yerp 2018-01-28T19:14:04 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/EVLcIpP.gifv 2018-01-28T19:14:45 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-28T19:16:12 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T19:24:00 < dongs> jsoft ???? yes, lets replace RTC which literally has the function you need (wake up once a day) with some hacked bullshit that will need the processor to actually be awake to keep track of it 2018-01-28T19:24:06 < dongs> how abou RTFMing 2018-01-28T19:24:21 < dongs> when i wanted to use RTC it was liek a 5 minute read through RM and looking at the functions in stdperiph 2018-01-28T19:24:22 < polymorph> i can imagine a 40-50 year old programmer interfacing an RTC chip in visual basic 30 years ago though 2018-01-28T19:25:33 < polymorph> dongs: it is kind of dumb in my opinion too 2018-01-28T19:26:43 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-bcee00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T19:27:29 < jsoft> dongs, what is this stdperph everyone talks about 2018-01-28T19:27:49 < jsoft> actually no, fuck you, you are a grumpy ass hat 2018-01-28T19:28:06 < polymorph> i guess this? http://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stm32-standard-peripheral-libraries.html 2018-01-28T19:28:52 < dongs> jsoft: im sure cubeshit makes it even SIMPLER 2018-01-28T19:28:59 < dongs> so if you cant get RTC working with cube, youre probly dumb 2018-01-28T19:29:20 < jsoft> I can get it going with HAL, but hal is fat. 2018-01-28T19:29:56 < dongs> then look at stdperiph, pretty sure RTC peripheral is same across all the families 2018-01-28T19:30:02 < dongs> other htan different size of backup registers 2018-01-28T19:30:52 < kakimir> hello from train 2018-01-28T19:30:59 < jsoft> Im on a L0, no L0 there apparently. 2018-01-28T19:31:11 < kakimir> some ping timeouts to be seen 2018-01-28T19:32:47 < Thorn> >pretty sure RTC peripheral is same across all the families <— I hope not, it was castrated in F1 2018-01-28T19:33:10 < dongs> ive looked at rtc.c in F3 and F0 and they're basically same .c file 2018-01-28T19:34:14 < dongs> yeah f1 rtc impl is VERY small. 2018-01-28T19:34:21 < dongs> so that must be the shitty one 2018-01-28T19:34:27 < dongs> the rest are all same (upgraded? peripheral) 2018-01-28T19:34:54 <@Steffanx> Some do a subsecond counter 2018-01-28T19:35:27 < polymorph> 128Hz or 256Hz would do 2018-01-28T19:35:39 < polymorph> and not even that cpu intense 2018-01-28T19:35:43 < dongs> why stop there? need over 9000Hz 2018-01-28T19:36:08 < polymorph> it can do 32768Hz 2018-01-28T19:39:46 <@Steffanx> lo 2018-01-28T19:41:01 < polymorph> hi 2018-01-28T19:49:56 <@englishman> zyp, interesting tradition you have http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/367.html 2018-01-28T19:55:01 < polymorph> it is best if they pee in it 2018-01-28T19:58:24 < tct> can one import a list of article numbers into mouser? 2018-01-28T19:58:30 < tct> csv import or something? 2018-01-28T19:59:24 < tct> lol 2018-01-28T19:59:38 < tct> I can't imagine that that's their intended workflow 2018-01-28T20:00:14 < polymorph> there are many options i don't think that it is so simple 2018-01-28T20:00:53 < polymorph> Also if you want something that is not in stock you have to buy a full roll of it 2018-01-28T20:01:02 < tct> polymorph, I don't talk about parts numbers. I talk about the real mouser-internal numbers. So there's not much of an option other than quantity 2018-01-28T20:01:06 <@Steffanx> https://nl.mouser.com/Tools/part-list-import.aspx ... 2018-01-28T20:01:22 < tct> thank you mr. dutchman 2018-01-28T20:01:24 <@Steffanx> ^ there is your "or something" option 2018-01-28T20:03:13 <@Steffanx> yw my best swisser 2018-01-28T20:04:27 < jsoft> *sigh* 2018-01-28T20:04:30 < jsoft> RTC->WPR = 0xFE; 2018-01-28T20:04:30 < jsoft> RTC->WPR = 0x64; 2018-01-28T20:04:41 < jsoft> Forgot finishing config up with those. 2018-01-28T20:04:43 < jsoft> ffs. 2018-01-28T20:07:37 < tct> guys, I think I might be sick 2018-01-28T20:07:48 < tct> I just ate salad for dinner o.O 2018-01-28T20:07:59 < tct> I mean freakin' salad. what's wrong with my brain 2018-01-28T20:08:53 < aandrew> englishman: I am pro 2018-01-28T20:09:02 < aandrew> dongs: yes, this is prototype, I want to be able to hit all the passives easily 2018-01-28T20:09:16 < aandrew> I'll go 0603 or 0402 if it makes it to production 2018-01-28T20:09:19 <@englishman> waking up at 1pm is not pro 2018-01-28T20:09:30 < aandrew> this layout won't have half the components on it in the final 2018-01-28T20:09:35 < aandrew> englishman: lol been up since 7 2018-01-28T20:12:35 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-bcee00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-28T20:14:58 < qyx> wtf rtc 2018-01-28T20:16:50 <@Steffanx> Yes, better do it in sw qyx 2018-01-28T20:17:16 < aandrew> what rtc 2018-01-28T20:19:21 < polymorph> do you think i can set the rtc divisor to 1 and generate an interrupt with it at 32768Hz rate? 2018-01-28T20:19:25 < qyx> I have just read that rtc rage 2018-01-28T20:19:33 < polymorph> :) 2018-01-28T20:20:57 < polymorph> page 509 http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/fa/06/c7/15/3b/2a/4c/f1/DM00041563.pdf/files/DM00041563.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00041563.pdf 2018-01-28T20:21:31 < polymorph> the calendar will tick a little faster but i don't care 2018-01-28T20:21:56 < aandrew> that ESP32 is kind a neat chip 2018-01-28T20:22:06 < aandrew> and $2 in volume for single core version 2018-01-28T20:22:33 <@englishman> and arduino is a great and professional ide for professionals 2018-01-28T20:22:43 < aandrew> not sure what you're driving at 2018-01-28T20:23:05 <@Steffanx> You can run it at normal speed and have to wakeup interrupt @ 32768Hz/2 polymorph 2018-01-28T20:23:16 <@englishman> there's a long long list of awesome and low cost chips with zero way to effectively develop for them 2018-01-28T20:23:37 < invzim> are people natively programming the esp32 stuff, or mostly using them as modules? 2018-01-28T20:23:39 < aandrew> englishman: what can't you develop for on esp32? 2018-01-28T20:23:59 < aandrew> documentation's pretty full, it's got a good toolchain, even for the oddball third core ULP... what's missing? 2018-01-28T20:24:01 <@englishman> is there a way to use it without running Arduino.exe? 2018-01-28T20:24:14 < aandrew> englishman: you really are behind the times if that's what you think is needed 2018-01-28T20:24:21 < aandrew> I'm writing C code for it without any arduino crap 2018-01-28T20:27:22 < polymorph> Steffanx: there exist an interconnection between interrupts and the 32768Hz clock ? 2018-01-28T20:27:44 <@Steffanx> page 513 2018-01-28T20:28:22 <@englishman> so looks like they have upgraded to lunix style development 2018-01-28T20:28:26 <@englishman> The idf_monitor tool is a Python program which runs when the make monitor target is invoked in IDF. 2018-01-28T20:28:46 < polymorph> Steffanx: thanks for tip, this? (RTC_WUTR) 2018-01-28T20:29:01 < polymorph> iset it to 0 and i have 32768Hz? 2018-01-28T20:29:05 <@englishman> Earlier versions of ESP-IDF used the pySerial command line program miniterm as a serial console program. 2018-01-28T20:29:16 < polymorph> (page 534) 2018-01-28T20:29:28 <@englishman> now features: printf debugging \o/ 2018-01-28T20:30:40 <@Steffanx> Did you real page 513 polymorph? 2018-01-28T20:31:55 < polymorph> Steffanx: yea but i would like div1 2018-01-28T20:32:21 < zyp> englishman, haha, wat 2018-01-28T20:32:36 <@Steffanx> dont tell me you really want to do this SW RTC polymorph 2018-01-28T20:32:56 < polymorph> Steffanx: so it seems like it will be 1, 1 div for the rtc if possible 2018-01-28T20:33:36 < polymorph> Steffanx: i want an accurate timebase, and rtc does not cut it 2018-01-28T20:34:12 < polymorph> Steffanx: if all else fails i connect the clockout to systick int pin lol 2018-01-28T20:35:08 < polymorph> i would want a 32768Hz, or a prescaled SysTick int 2018-01-28T20:35:25 < polymorph> nathing fancy 2018-01-28T20:36:27 < zyp> polymorph, so just use a freerunning timer? 2018-01-28T20:36:40 < zyp> no point in deriving from LSE, HSE is just as accurate 2018-01-28T20:36:43 < polymorph> zyp: yea 2018-01-28T20:37:01 < zyp> the point of RTC is just that you can run it from backup power, and if you want that, you have to use the RTC 2018-01-28T20:37:01 < polymorph> zyp: i wont have xtal, only watch crystal. 2018-01-28T20:37:13 < zyp> oh, okay 2018-01-28T20:37:23 < zyp> find a timer that can be clocked from LSE then 2018-01-28T20:37:39 < polymorph> RTC ...? :) 2018-01-28T20:37:52 < polymorph> or SysTick via external 2018-01-28T20:38:25 < polymorph> raping RTC would be simpler 2018-01-28T20:39:07 < polymorph> if it can prescale by 1 then it would count seconds at 32768Hz 2018-01-28T20:39:16 < polymorph> fine for me 2018-01-28T20:39:23 < zyp> actually, you're just being silly 2018-01-28T20:39:36 < qyx> :D 2018-01-28T20:39:45 < polymorph> nah im gonna do it that way 2018-01-28T20:40:23 < polymorph> because potatoes 2018-01-28T20:40:38 < zyp> seems to me you're imposing some arbitrary restrictions and working around them, instead of designing your system properly for its purpose in the first place 2018-01-28T20:41:11 < zyp> like 2018-01-28T20:41:15 < zyp> 19:37:01 < polymorph> zyp: i wont have xtal, only watch crystal. 2018-01-28T20:41:16 < zyp> why? 2018-01-28T20:41:20 < zyp> just why 2018-01-28T20:42:01 < polymorph> zyp: because it has internal rc oscillator, or watch crystal timebase and a PLL :) 2018-01-28T20:42:10 < zyp> what does? 2018-01-28T20:42:31 < polymorph> this http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/fa/06/c7/15/3b/2a/4c/f1/DM00041563.pdf/files/DM00041563.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00041563.pdf 2018-01-28T20:43:11 < zyp> how so? I still don't see what you're trying to achieve with what you're doing 2018-01-28T20:43:32 < polymorph> so it can PLL rc or even watch crystal, and clock frequency doesn't really matter, it is for computation 2018-01-28T20:43:51 < polymorph> and a watch crystal is good in time keeping 2018-01-28T20:46:04 < zyp> F3 PLL can only be fed from HSE or HSI, and HSE can not run from a 32k crystal, so I think you're somehow mistaken 2018-01-28T20:46:04 < polymorph> zyp: i would want a 32768Hz, or a prescaled "SysTick interrupt" thaht's all 2018-01-28T20:47:06 < polymorph> zyp: might have been the F1 ? 2018-01-28T20:47:31 < zyp> no, they have largely the same RCC 2018-01-28T20:48:18 < zyp> besides, in my experience, 32k crystals aren't really any more accurate than 8 MHz crystals 2018-01-28T20:48:37 < zyp> the ones I have used have all been in the tens of ppm range 2018-01-28T20:49:09 < zyp> so your «using a watch crystal for accurate timekeeping» argument doesn't make sense 2018-01-28T20:49:58 < polymorph> page 512 says that i can set the async div to 1 2018-01-28T20:49:58 < zyp> forget about RTC and 32k unless you're actually gonna run it from backup power 2018-01-28T20:51:02 < polymorph> and mafbe the sync div too PREDIV_S 2018-01-28T20:51:18 < zyp> what has that to do with anything? 2018-01-28T20:51:45 < polymorph> zyp: it would run the RTC's second at 32768Hz 2018-01-28T20:52:15 < zyp> what's the point of that? 2018-01-28T20:52:34 < polymorph> i get my interrupt :) 2018-01-28T20:52:52 <@Steffanx> What's your application that you need such interrupt for polymorph? 2018-01-28T20:53:01 < zyp> Steffanx, trolling 2018-01-28T20:53:01 * qyx lights a sinnlig ikea candle for polymorph 2018-01-28T20:53:33 < polymorph> qyx: you like the idea too ? :>> 2018-01-28T20:53:34 < qyx> I was somehow afraid that going from avr to stm32 that way is going to be hard 2018-01-28T20:53:42 <@Steffanx> We should all light a sinnlig candle. As mr IKEA died. 2018-01-28T20:53:46 < qyx> but actually I didn't expect this 2018-01-28T20:53:55 < qyx> Steffanx: that too 2018-01-28T20:54:23 < zyp> I was at ikea yesterday 2018-01-28T20:55:01 < polymorph> thanks R2COM that means really much from you 2018-01-28T20:55:25 < tct> welcome to ##stm32 2018-01-28T20:57:22 < polymorph> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFmC7hd1hno 2018-01-28T20:58:35 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-6df015-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T20:59:12 <@Steffanx> No need for random videos polymorph. Or is THAT what you're going to do polymorph? 2018-01-28T20:59:33 < polymorph> nah 2018-01-28T20:59:42 < kakimir> who is our polygen? 2018-01-28T21:00:23 < polymorph> kakimir: The Floppotron: Doom E1M1 - At Doom's Gate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTtR6ZpUOo 2018-01-28T21:00:55 < branjb> is ##stm32 culture moving away from shitposts? 2018-01-28T21:01:00 <@Steffanx> yes 2018-01-28T21:01:01 < kakimir> sure 2018-01-28T21:01:30 <@Steffanx> 2018 policy branjb :P 2018-01-28T21:01:45 < branjb> rip ##stm32 12/31/2017 2018-01-28T21:02:01 < kakimir> new stm32 communiti 2018-01-28T21:02:03 < kakimir> all fresh 2018-01-28T21:02:33 < polymorph> every place is what you make it be 2018-01-28T21:02:54 <@Steffanx> You can always ask blaxter to post some crap in private message, branjb. 2018-01-28T21:03:24 < kakimir> can I have adb file access in file browser somehow? 2018-01-28T21:03:33 <@Steffanx> Or buy a WWLD "What would Laurenceb_ do" wristband. 2018-01-28T21:03:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-28T21:03:57 < kakimir> buy "Erase my browser history" wrist band 2018-01-28T21:04:35 < branjb> i'll miss the technical bantz 2018-01-28T21:05:23 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/itm/MyIDDr-Customizable-Delete-My-Browser-History-Bracelet-LOL-Gift-Geeky-Gadget/132413901236 2018-01-28T21:05:59 < branjb> >not having a deadmans switch to delete your hard drives in 2018 2018-01-28T21:09:52 < kakimir> how? 2018-01-28T21:09:58 < kakimir> and.. why 2018-01-28T21:10:17 < kakimir> jjust crypt them 2018-01-28T21:10:30 < polymorph> [19:51] <@Steffanx> What's your application that you need such interrupt for polymorph? - i wrote about 3x, a timebase 2018-01-28T21:10:54 < kakimir> personally I would prefer small amounts of high explosives fixed to mem devices 2018-01-28T21:11:16 < branjb> yeah as soon as i typed that i thought deadmans switch to burn house down would be a better option 2018-01-28T21:11:28 <@Steffanx> And in what application you need tha timebase polymorph?! 2018-01-28T21:11:31 < kakimir> did we have this discusion in 2017? 2018-01-28T21:11:59 < kakimir> how to erase everything as quick as possible with as little as possible 2018-01-28T21:12:28 < kakimir> also without mains 2018-01-28T21:12:34 < sync> semtex. 2018-01-28T21:12:58 < kakimir> without illegal materials? 2018-01-28T21:13:06 < kakimir> yeah that how 2018-01-28T21:13:15 < polymorph> Steffanx: clock,timer, hotplate with timer, speedometer, accelerometer, abs, traction control, and tempomat for example 2018-01-28T21:13:15 < BrainDamage> thermite 2018-01-28T21:13:24 < branjb> rig everything with samsung galaxy phones 2018-01-28T21:13:58 < BrainDamage> if you want quick data inaccesibility just do full disk encryption and then wipe the key 2018-01-28T21:14:08 < BrainDamage> deleting 256 bits of data is near instantaneous 2018-01-28T21:14:31 < branjb> full disk encryption takes hours 2018-01-28T21:14:39 < BrainDamage> once 2018-01-28T21:14:51 < BrainDamage> then you keep read/write encrypted data 2018-01-28T21:15:11 < polymorph> you can destroy a hdd by pouring strong acid inside while running 2018-01-28T21:15:14 < BrainDamage> which has almost 0 cost nowdays thanks to hardware acceleration for aes 2018-01-28T21:15:39 < BrainDamage> so you'll continue using your hd as if it was a normal one 2018-01-28T21:15:58 < polymorph> fne sand could scratch the disc too, if it doesn't stop it from rotating 2018-01-28T21:15:58 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T21:16:06 < BrainDamage> then when need arises, you delete the key and the data becomes inaccessible for everyone 2018-01-28T21:16:10 < stvn> stffnwfl 2018-01-28T21:16:28 < qyx> I don't get it 2018-01-28T21:16:30 <@Steffanx> Waffle express. 2018-01-28T21:16:44 < qyx> like the 2018 policy is to come up with the most inconvenient method to do things 2018-01-28T21:17:13 < kakimir> have you tried qtadb for file exploring you phones? 2018-01-28T21:17:14 < stvn> good morning my friend 2018-01-28T21:17:32 < polymorph> Steffanx: i figured if i don't need an 8MHz crystal then i won't use one, and watch crystals are precision, and cheap, all over the junkyard btw 2018-01-28T21:18:20 < BrainDamage> watch crystals aren't that fantastic precision, they are just a frequency that makes for binary division into a second easy 2018-01-28T21:18:31 < qyx> you are just being silly as zyp said 2018-01-28T21:18:45 < kakimir> do anyone have recordings of automotive +12v rail with all things switching on and off? 2018-01-28T21:19:10 < qyx> because you don't even know what you are doing 2018-01-28T21:19:22 < kakimir> it would be interesting to input that wav into ltspice 2018-01-28T21:19:23 < polymorph> Steffanx: i believe you are wrong with the precision thing, watch crystals are more precise than a standard 8-25MHz quartz, i am not saying it is impossible to get a precise 12.00000000000 Mhz one 2018-01-28T21:20:34 < BrainDamage> if you're interested in the device as timekeeping, look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_variance 2018-01-28T21:20:43 < polymorph> BrainDamage: sure, but last time i tried i got <5s off per day without calibration with a watch crystal 2018-01-28T21:22:29 < qyx> and you consider 5s/day precise? 2018-01-28T21:22:49 < qyx> thats 60ppm 2018-01-28T21:23:01 < qyx> the most shittiest xtals are like that 2018-01-28T21:23:42 < polymorph> well i got it from a dead motherboard 2018-01-28T21:24:06 < polymorph> blame asus 2018-01-28T21:24:07 < stvn> an old bomb 2018-01-28T21:24:24 < qyx> it doesn't matter, your raging is based on wrong data 2018-01-28T21:26:23 < polymorph> qyx: http://www.best-microcontroller-projects.com/ppm.html 2018-01-28T21:27:12 < polymorph> http://www.pletronics.com/uploads/datasheets/sm26s.pdf 2018-01-28T21:27:17 < qyx> you should update your webs from 1980 2018-01-28T21:27:19 < polymorph> this is +-20ppm 2018-01-28T21:27:21 < qyx> and open some datasheets 2018-01-28T21:28:07 < qyx> of some more serious manufacturers 2018-01-28T21:28:18 < qyx> http://www.abracon.com/products.php?search=xtal 2018-01-28T21:28:19 < qyx> for example 2018-01-28T21:29:44 < polymorph> basically the reason that watch crystals are mra accurate and cheaper is that the quartz is physically larger than a MHz range crystal, so it is easier to fine tune it for example 2018-01-28T21:30:51 < qyx> so you are going to bend your solution in different ways just to catch your 20ppm by random methods 2018-01-28T21:31:09 < branjb> can you use a uC timer output to drive an eth phy, or do you need a dedicated xtal? 2018-01-28T21:31:10 < qyx> and even not needing it 2018-01-28T21:31:34 < qyx> branjb: depends on the phy, usually yes 2018-01-28T21:32:55 < branjb> using a microchip lan8720a.. what would I look for in the ds? ppm max? 2018-01-28T21:33:40 < polymorph> qyx: you are saying that basically now all quartz have same precision? why does computer motherboards have a watch crystal then? 2018-01-28T21:33:50 < zyp> branjb, probably not 2018-01-28T21:34:06 < qyx> why? 2018-01-28T21:34:19 < qyx> micrel ones can be driven with an external oscillator 2018-01-28T21:34:45 < zyp> because it's impractical to generate an accurate 50MHz 2018-01-28T21:34:45 < qyx> polymorph: I am saying you should do things for the intended purpose 2018-01-28T21:34:51 < zyp> not impossible, but impractical 2018-01-28T21:35:04 < branjb> it can take a 25 mhz xtal 2018-01-28T21:35:10 < polymorph> i did not mean to. 2018-01-28T21:35:13 < qyx> because I have seen some implementations using the MCO 2018-01-28T21:35:14 < zyp> branjb, not in RMII mode 2018-01-28T21:35:25 < qyx> and just a single xtal 2018-01-28T21:35:48 < branjb> I am using it in rmii currently with an external 25 mhz 2018-01-28T21:36:03 < branjb> it doubles it internally and outputs a 50 mhz ref clk to uC 2018-01-28T21:36:28 < qyx> polymorph: LSE and 32K xtals are meant to be used for *low power* timekeeping, the whole LSE thing is in the backup domain to be able to be powered from a backup power source 2018-01-28T21:36:43 < polymorph> and you use that or a timebase of 20 ppm precision? 2018-01-28T21:36:49 < polymorph> *for 2018-01-28T21:36:58 < zyp> branjb, okay, I were lookingat LAN8710 the other day, which couldn't do that 2018-01-28T21:37:03 < branjb> yeah 2018-01-28T21:37:12 < polymorph> branjb: 2018-01-28T21:37:27 < branjb> the 20a is different, I had to swap the 50mhz for a 25 mhz because I assumed 50mhz in -> 50 mhz out 2018-01-28T21:37:45 < zyp> branjb, ah, yeah, 20 got a REFCLKO pin, 10 lacks that 2018-01-28T21:38:10 < branjb> just wondering if I can save the cost on the external osc and drive it using a 25 mhz clock from the uC 2018-01-28T21:38:13 < polymorph> qyx: and i meant to use the internal RC osc for core clock timebase, and the watch crystal for timebase 2018-01-28T21:39:12 < zyp> branjb, that might be possible, I thought about that possibility on a board I did a few years ago 2018-01-28T21:39:23 < branjb> clkin freq drift max is 50 ppm 2018-01-28T21:39:29 < zyp> but I figured I didn't want to take the risk of fucking up that, crystals are cheap 2018-01-28T21:39:45 < branjb> well, we're using an expensive mems osc 2018-01-28T21:39:53 < branjb> it's like $5-8 iirc 2018-01-28T21:39:54 < zyp> instead I just simplified the BOM by using the same 25 MHz crystal on HSE and the PHY 2018-01-28T21:40:37 < zyp> okay 2018-01-28T21:40:39 < branjb> that might work too 2018-01-28T21:40:53 < zyp> I see I paid $.16 per crystal 2018-01-28T21:41:08 < zyp> I can afford those extra $.16 :p 2018-01-28T21:41:09 < branjb> HSE is 16 mhz right now but 25 mhz for uC and phy might work better anyway 2018-01-28T21:41:11 < branjb> yeah 2018-01-28T21:41:54 < polymorph> qyx: also check page 2 http://www.abracon.com/Resonators/AB26T.pdf :) 2018-01-28T21:42:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-28T21:48:57 < stvn> pump pump 2018-01-28T21:55:44 < polymorph> [20:19] if you're interested in the device as timekeeping, look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_variance -thanks, good read, i don't prefer overcomplicating things, i like simple and straight forward methods, i don't need a superprecision timebase but if i can make an accurate clock that stays within <5s a day, that is nice 2018-01-28T21:59:20 <@englishman> just put gps receiver 2018-01-28T21:59:25 <@englishman> v simple 2018-01-28T22:00:58 <@englishman> zyp, this blog is giving me some serious wanderlust for the baltics 2018-01-28T22:01:05 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T22:01:12 <@englishman> http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/383.html 2018-01-28T22:03:22 < branjb> the malt house looks like it's in the shire 2018-01-28T22:04:09 < qyx> when I retire I am going to have such house with goats and cows and stuff 2018-01-28T22:06:56 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-28T22:16:15 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T22:16:32 < qyx> going to innovate some LoRa 2018-01-28T22:16:38 < qyx> again 2018-01-28T22:16:59 <@englishman> cool 2018-01-28T22:17:02 <@englishman> same project? 2018-01-28T22:17:17 <@englishman> i want to look at 6lowpan a bit more this week if i have time 2018-01-28T22:18:32 < qyx> uhm same 2018-01-28T22:19:02 < qyx> hopefully it will be extendable opensores datalogger 2018-01-28T22:19:16 < qyx> ~10 different boards so far 2018-01-28T22:19:49 < qyx> but I don't have time enough to finish the radio stuff 2018-01-28T22:20:00 < qyx> so no mesh networking yet 2018-01-28T22:21:17 < qyx> the soil sensor was just a spin-off, similar design with different board size and layout 2018-01-28T22:43:23 < Rob235> well this piece came out strange: https://imgur.com/a/E1ABl 2018-01-28T22:43:39 < Rob235> I kinda like it though 2018-01-28T22:45:53 -!- ffffffffffffffff [~fffffffff@135.0.26.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-28T22:46:08 -!- ffffffffffffffff [~fffffffff@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T22:49:37 < polymorph> qyx: Steffanx i can externally connect low freq xtal output to SysTick int pin, and leave the RTC as-is, but that costs a pi 2018-01-28T22:49:57 <@Steffanx> whatever, polymorph 2018-01-28T22:51:00 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-28T22:51:40 < tct> and suddenly the dolphin talk doesn't seem that bad anymore, right? 2018-01-28T22:52:33 < BrainDamage> trying to solve a problem in the most unusual way won't win you much points here unless it's actually a superior solution, you won't get bonus points for creativity alone 2018-01-28T22:52:42 < BrainDamage> especially when the boring solution is way easier 2018-01-28T22:52:59 * karlp nods sagely 2018-01-28T22:53:15 < polymorph> you are talking to me? 2018-01-28T22:53:18 < BrainDamage> yes 2018-01-28T22:53:29 < polymorph> I don't want to earn points 2018-01-28T22:54:08 < BrainDamage> tct: what's with the dolphins 2018-01-28T22:54:18 < polymorph> I solve problems the best way i see fit 2018-01-28T22:54:42 < tct> BrainDamage, better ask Mr. baxter 2018-01-28T22:54:49 < tct> BrainDamage, hint: that's why he isn't here anymore 2018-01-28T22:54:49 <@Steffanx> Better not. 2018-01-28T22:55:02 < polymorph> tct: lel, 2018-01-28T22:55:37 < polymorph> i read something about animal porn here, that might be it? 2018-01-28T22:55:59 < tct> careful now 2018-01-28T22:56:32 < polymorph> i have some tct sawblades btw 2018-01-28T22:56:46 < polymorph> Titanium Carbide Tipped 2018-01-28T22:57:05 < polymorph> Tungsten Carbide Tipped 2018-01-28T22:57:10 < tct> yes, that's the story behind my nick. I was called that in highschool 2018-01-28T22:57:13 < polymorph> that's it 2018-01-28T22:57:22 < tct> "the tipper" 2018-01-28T22:57:30 <@Steffanx> With titanium glasses. 2018-01-28T22:57:32 < BrainDamage> 'mlady 2018-01-28T22:57:33 < polymorph> did you cut yourself with it? 2018-01-28T22:57:42 < BrainDamage> ofc, he was edgy 2018-01-28T22:58:15 < polymorph> tct: https://images.homedepot-static.com/productImages/377c786a-4d79-48fc-a9de-0d447abf3c01/svn/genesis-circular-saw-blades-gacsb451-64_1000.jpg 2018-01-28T23:00:54 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o tct] by Steffanx 2018-01-28T23:07:43 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/esp32fm.pdf - updated for mic input now too and cleaned up. anything obviously wrong besides no stm32? 2018-01-28T23:08:00 < aandrew> what's the cheapest stm32 with usb? 2018-01-28T23:08:59 < qyx> some f0? 2018-01-28T23:09:05 < qyx> zyp knows all about usb 2018-01-28T23:09:18 < qyx> F042 maybe 2018-01-28T23:17:06 <@Steffanx> or maybe some F102/F103 cheaply sourced in china? 2018-01-28T23:17:20 < polymorph> aandrew: there is vusb if you want the cheapest 2018-01-28T23:17:27 <@Steffanx> lol, better not. 2018-01-28T23:17:58 < polymorph> it works lel 2018-01-28T23:19:37 < aandrew> polymorph: haha no 2018-01-28T23:19:47 < emeryth> or F101 like the chinese st-links 2018-01-28T23:19:48 < aandrew> I thought there as a crystalless L0 that was cheap as balls 2018-01-28T23:22:02 < aandrew> stm32f042 2018-01-28T23:22:24 < aandrew> $1.18 on octopart 2018-01-28T23:22:54 <@Steffanx> i dont think china can beat that. 2018-01-28T23:23:05 < emeryth> see also F072 2018-01-28T23:24:36 < aandrew> lol alibaba 2018-01-28T23:24:40 < aandrew> US$0.1-1/piece 2018-01-28T23:24:41 < aandrew> wtf does that mean 2018-01-28T23:25:49 < polymorph> https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS - do i really need this? 2018-01-28T23:27:03 < aandrew> wtf is this the great STM32 shortage of 2018? can't get reels of anything, 20wks out 2018-01-28T23:27:24 < sync> dem lazy french lads 2018-01-28T23:28:26 < sync> iirc the crolles employees are planning to stroke 2018-01-28T23:28:29 < sync> ~strike 2018-01-28T23:37:30 < polymorph> aandrew: how many thousand products are you making now? 2018-01-28T23:38:13 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-6df015-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-28T23:38:38 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-6df015-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-28T23:39:18 < aandrew> 10k is the initial run, but there are four stm32s in each package (and one stm32) 2018-01-28T23:39:21 < aandrew> er and one esp32 2018-01-28T23:39:32 < aandrew> so initial volume for purchase is 40k stm32s 2018-01-28T23:39:49 < aandrew> best be well under $1, I can get ESP32s for $2 2018-01-28T23:40:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-28T23:41:16 < polymorph> aandrew: do you use STM32F373V8T7TR, STM32F373C8T7TR ? 2018-01-28T23:41:40 < aandrew> no, haven't used STM32F3 2018-01-28T23:42:04 < aandrew> F407/417 I used a bit of 2018-01-28T23:42:58 < tct> aandrew, good that you tell me that. going to order 1k F407 tomorrow 2018-01-28T23:43:08 < aandrew> nice 2018-01-28T23:43:10 < aandrew> what're you building? 2018-01-28T23:43:18 < tct> baby shakers 2018-01-28T23:43:32 < polymorph> aandrew: this thing has 16 bit adcs with a selectable preamp upto 8x 2018-01-28T23:43:44 < aandrew> is there much market for those? I've found most people who are inclined to shake their babies just do it themselves 2018-01-28T23:44:11 < tct> aandrew, yes you're right, but that's because they don't know yet that they can purchase a device for that 2018-01-28T23:44:21 < aandrew> please tell me it's IoT capable 2018-01-28T23:44:23 < tct> aandrew, naah, nothing fancy. just some F4 that pushes sensor data over ethernet 2018-01-28T23:44:25 < aandrew> "Alexa, shut that kid up" 2018-01-28T23:44:30 < tct> lol 2018-01-28T23:44:46 < polymorph> alexa works for the cia 2018-01-28T23:44:47 < sync> [babby shaking intensifies] 2018-01-28T23:45:13 < aandrew> tct: interesting. I have another design I'm working on that's doing that for CCD/CMOS line sensors at 5klines/sec 2018-01-28T23:45:30 < aandrew> using MAX10 connected to gige phy for that 2018-01-28T23:45:54 < tct> aandrew, just 10/100Base-T here. as I said, nothing fancy 2018-01-28T23:46:02 < tct> love the max10 though, used it in a previous project. 2018-01-28T23:46:16 < aandrew> yeah I'm excited to get back into HDL 2018-01-28T23:46:20 < tct> aandrew, so you're building a webcam? :p 2018-01-28T23:46:32 < aandrew> hahaha 2018-01-28T23:46:34 < aandrew> line sensors 2018-01-28T23:46:49 < aandrew> 2048 pixels wide by 1 pixel deep 2018-01-28T23:48:04 < qyx> smells like a 3D scanner 2018-01-28T23:48:06 < sync> well, if you wobbled it it would make a nice webcam 2018-01-28T23:48:09 < tct> is that for chatroulette exclusively for skinny girls? 2018-01-28T23:48:22 < tct> sync, maybe that's why faprence asked for a servo to turn a sensor :p 2018-01-28T23:48:31 < sync> I mean, why not 2018-01-28T23:48:40 < aandrew> qyx: it is related to position sensing 2018-01-28T23:48:43 < tct> is lolrence aandrew's employee? 2018-01-28T23:48:53 < sync> if you need 200Hz bandwidth a servo is the obvious solution 2018-01-28T23:49:00 < tct> lkolwhat? 2018-01-28T23:56:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-12e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Day changed Mon Jan 29 2018 2018-01-29T00:00:08 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-29T00:01:25 <@englishman> aandrew: putting wifi in a digital lock 2018-01-29T00:01:26 <@englishman> ? 2018-01-29T00:02:23 < aandrew> no not quite 2018-01-29T00:03:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T00:03:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-29T00:11:50 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T00:54:31 < kakimir> 10000lumen wake-up light is so swweet 2018-01-29T00:54:41 < kakimir> it's like sun in the room 2018-01-29T00:55:04 < BrainDamage> does it double as a steak searing device? 2018-01-29T00:55:47 < kakimir> only if it was combined 1-2kw of infrared to my bed baking me for new day it would be better 2018-01-29T00:56:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T00:57:57 < BrainDamage> just get an electric blanket 2018-01-29T00:58:31 < kakimir> I want that my face feels the sun 2018-01-29T00:59:55 < BrainDamage> bright summer sun is 1kW/m^2, 2kW to your face is outright instaroasting 2018-01-29T01:00:58 < kakimir> I want my face to be well done 2018-01-29T01:01:15 < kakimir> by I step out of bed 2018-01-29T01:01:19 < kakimir> also tan 2018-01-29T01:01:32 < kakimir> add some UV lights 2018-01-29T01:02:10 < kakimir> https://i.pinimg.com/170x/91/4e/2a/914e2a7a0a9aab1898ff28303cd814a1--fake-tan-tanning-bed.jpg 2018-01-29T01:02:31 < kakimir> like that 2018-01-29T01:02:47 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganguro 2018-01-29T01:02:51 < BrainDamage> move to japan 2018-01-29T01:03:45 < kakimir> sweet 2018-01-29T01:09:29 < tct> how the f* do I disable the "dynamic alignment" stuff in alitum so that I can place a component wherever I want w/o it trying to tell me where I can place one and where not? 2018-01-29T01:09:54 < kakimir> kicad 2018-01-29T01:10:13 < kakimir> actually it has similar thing nowdays 2018-01-29T01:10:26 < kakimir> push and shove or whatever 2018-01-29T01:11:01 < tct> not the same 2018-01-29T01:11:37 < tct> ah, r does it 2018-01-29T01:11:50 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T01:13:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpOt2U8JwNo musics for the night 2018-01-29T01:13:46 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsP6EKAzEjI 2018-01-29T01:16:20 < polymorph> kakimir: a toaster oven 2018-01-29T01:16:32 < polymorph> open the door 2018-01-29T01:16:34 < kakimir> hmm 2018-01-29T01:16:46 < kakimir> put it on my face when I sleep? 2018-01-29T01:17:01 < kakimir> wake up really fast? 2018-01-29T01:17:02 < polymorph> well i have an IR toaster and it has a quartz lamp 2018-01-29T01:17:07 < polymorph> emits IR 2018-01-29T01:17:15 < kakimir> sounds expensives 2018-01-29T01:17:21 < kakimir> mine has just resistor wires 2018-01-29T01:17:21 < BrainDamage> it's not 2018-01-29T01:17:28 < polymorph> but the ordinary heating element evon does radiate heat too 2018-01-29T01:17:39 < kakimir> eventually 2018-01-29T01:17:47 < polymorph> kakimir: it was 20$ in the tesco 2018-01-29T01:18:15 < kakimir> I need to get a toaster too 2018-01-29T01:18:23 < kakimir> I don't have one here 2018-01-29T01:18:24 < polymorph> it uses same type IR emitters like the IR lamps for 40$ 2018-01-29T01:18:31 < kakimir> ye 2018-01-29T01:18:47 < polymorph> you can gett those in electronic store or tesco too.... 2018-01-29T01:20:10 < kakimir> we don't have tesco 2018-01-29T01:20:22 < polymorph> kakimir: it looks like this http://www.potatofeed.com/best-infrared-heaters/ 2018-01-29T01:20:23 < kakimir> which is not bad thing 2018-01-29T01:21:06 < BrainDamage> prepare to feel swamped 2018-01-29T01:21:12 < kakimir> http://www.motonet.fi/fi/tuote/383148/Terassilammitin-1000-W 16,90eur.. can't beat that with a stick 2018-01-29T01:21:57 < kakimir> bought one to work shop I could buy 2 more to main desk to workshop 2018-01-29T01:22:00 < BrainDamage> IR heaters have the horrible tendency of having a very narrow comfort zone 2018-01-29T01:22:34 < kakimir> to increase that "zone" 2018-01-29T01:22:38 < BrainDamage> 20cm distance go from freezing cold to scalding 2018-01-29T01:23:22 < kakimir> if there was 3 I could run them with 3phase contactor and a clock 2018-01-29T01:24:09 < BrainDamage> that would place you in the IR autism spectrum 2018-01-29T01:25:49 < kakimir> I have junction box with all the 3phases right where I want to place the heaters 2018-01-29T01:26:14 < kakimir> just buy a small din rail box to house the contactor 2018-01-29T01:27:48 < polymorph> put an IR sensor and temperature sensor to the target surface and regulate it 2018-01-29T01:28:14 < kakimir> actually adjustment would be good in case of 3 heaters 2018-01-29T01:28:31 < kakimir> but I assume those are high inductance loads 2018-01-29T01:28:36 < kakimir> and 1kw a piece 2018-01-29T01:28:51 < polymorph> you could fan it btw, it is no t100% IR 2018-01-29T01:29:05 < kakimir> smart 2018-01-29T01:29:11 < kakimir> keep the heating elements cooler 2018-01-29T01:29:16 < kakimir> less IR 2018-01-29T01:29:28 < polymorph> nah that is not the idea 2018-01-29T01:29:41 < polymorph> it heats up, that generates IR 2018-01-29T01:30:28 < kakimir> how does f.lux know when I wake up 2018-01-29T01:30:33 < polymorph> the crni wire glows red hot inside a quartz tube, that converts that energy to IR 2018-01-29T01:30:40 < kakimir> it has decided I wake up at 7:30 2018-01-29T01:30:50 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T01:30:53 < kakimir> but I wake up 7:45 2018-01-29T01:31:03 < kakimir> windows alarm maybe 2018-01-29T01:31:30 < polymorph> the tube heats up, emits IR, but also heats up air around it, by fanning you can prevent things above it catching fire, and even distribute the hot air better 2018-01-29T01:31:57 < BrainDamage> f.lux uses sunrise clock, not wake up time 2018-01-29T01:32:20 < kakimir> there is no way sun rises at 7:30 2018-01-29T01:32:25 < BrainDamage> as in tint is adjusted to ambient light, not your circadian circle for how much fucked it might be 2018-01-29T01:32:29 < polymorph> kakimir: if you turn on 3 of those within 1m above you yyou will wake up, or smell like bacon ;> 2018-01-29T01:32:49 < BrainDamage> cycle, not circle 2018-01-29T01:32:53 < BrainDamage> i need sleep myself 2018-01-29T01:32:56 < kakimir> I want to smell bacon when I wake up 2018-01-29T01:33:08 < polymorph> haha 2018-01-29T01:33:14 < polymorph> easy 2018-01-29T01:33:42 < BrainDamage> actually, according to this ephemeris program sunrise here is at 7:45 today 2018-01-29T01:33:52 < BrainDamage> did you give your program your coordinates? 2018-01-29T01:34:02 < BrainDamage> it might be using some wrong default 2018-01-29T01:35:17 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-29T01:35:25 < kakimir> it appears to use Helsinki 2018-01-29T01:35:49 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T01:35:55 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCmDEnN8gkw time for the Gem of the night 2018-01-29T01:37:45 < polymorph> kakimir: i rather https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx9j6p_nUZY 2018-01-29T01:39:30 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T01:41:18 < polymorph> kakimir: http://www.heliosquartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Helios-Quartz_IR-LAMPS_eng.pdf 2018-01-29T01:41:22 < polymorph> science 2018-01-29T01:42:09 < kakimir> sweet 2018-01-29T01:42:17 < kakimir> I just had an idea for our product 2018-01-29T01:42:53 < kakimir> we need some heating to one optical part.. maybe add an IR filter to optics material 2018-01-29T01:43:07 < kakimir> and have IR radiator 2018-01-29T01:43:32 < kakimir> those tubes look so fine polymorph 2018-01-29T01:44:23 < kakimir> ir filter may be better than layer of ITO 2018-01-29T01:44:56 < kakimir> iridium tin oxide that is 2018-01-29T01:46:42 < polymorph> all cameras have hot mirrors. 2018-01-29T01:46:59 < kakimir> hot mirrors? 2018-01-29T01:47:01 < kakimir> heated? 2018-01-29T01:47:12 < polymorph> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_mirror 2018-01-29T01:47:14 < kakimir> you mean like DSLRs and such? 2018-01-29T01:47:18 < polymorph> all 2018-01-29T01:47:33 < polymorph> because ccd is sensitive to IR 2018-01-29T01:47:43 < kakimir> I want good absorbion 2018-01-29T01:47:47 < kakimir> not reflection 2018-01-29T01:48:07 < polymorph> i removed it from one of my dmc-fz7s and it can shoot near-ir 2018-01-29T01:48:32 < kakimir> but visible light highest possible transmitance 2018-01-29T01:48:58 < kakimir> material: polycarbonate 2018-01-29T01:49:16 < polymorph> PC absorbs UV 2018-01-29T01:49:38 < polymorph> it can also be melted with IR 2018-01-29T01:49:59 < kakimir> so I should get UV light source? 2018-01-29T01:50:32 < kakimir> to heat up the PC 2018-01-29T01:51:00 < polymorph> they use IR for heating 2018-01-29T01:51:27 < polymorph> i doubt you can heat your PC with UV 2018-01-29T01:51:47 < polymorph> but there are UV lasers that cut copper 2018-01-29T01:52:20 < kakimir> that cut *anything 2018-01-29T01:52:53 < polymorph> you want a camera lens heater? 2018-01-29T01:53:04 < kakimir> nah 2018-01-29T01:53:09 < kakimir> way more grude application 2018-01-29T01:53:35 < polymorph> https://nightskyinfocus.com/diyprojects/diy-dew-heater/ 2018-01-29T01:54:14 < kakimir> I need the heat right to the lens 2018-01-29T01:54:19 < polymorph> or http://ianchurchill.blogspot.hu/2013/02/my-diy-dew-heaters-for-just-few-s.html 2018-01-29T01:55:05 < polymorph> if you fix an array of resistors around the lens you can heat it... 2018-01-29T01:55:43 < kakimir> no 2018-01-29T01:55:55 < kakimir> I need it right to whole area of the lens 2018-01-29T01:56:44 < aandrew> 40AWG wire across the lens? 2018-01-29T01:57:15 < polymorph> blow hot air over it 2018-01-29T01:57:17 < aandrew> I would have thought a small heater and blowing warm air across the lens would work 2018-01-29T01:57:20 < aandrew> yeah 2018-01-29T01:57:38 < polymorph> it works for windshields 2018-01-29T01:58:26 < kakimir> no mechanical parts 2018-01-29T01:58:56 < kakimir> it's heater in the lens as ITO or wire 2018-01-29T01:59:39 < kakimir> or heater right around the lens 2018-01-29T02:00:00 < kakimir> or a radiator with reflector right to the lens 2018-01-29T02:01:29 < polymorph> i have no idea why would you need that 2018-01-29T02:02:33 < kakimir> and I won't tell 2018-01-29T02:02:50 < kakimir> but there is a real issue to be fixed with this 2018-01-29T02:04:06 < polymorph> yeah they used to heat lens to discourage water vapor condensing on its cold surface in the shower where girls do the hot bath 2018-01-29T02:04:28 < kakimir> ! 2018-01-29T02:04:49 < polymorph> but that does not require that special equipment 2018-01-29T02:05:04 < polymorph> a dew heater works 2018-01-29T02:05:38 < kakimir> anyways 2018-01-29T02:05:45 < kakimir> I got this 2018-01-29T02:05:50 < kakimir> from here 2018-01-29T02:05:53 < polymorph> bring it on 2018-01-29T02:12:23 < polymorph> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MnFoApH8mw 2018-01-29T02:12:34 < polymorph> Lange feat. Skye - Drifting Away (Original 12" Mix) 2018-01-29T02:21:32 < jv> Greetings 2018-01-29T02:22:06 < polymorph> Hello 2018-01-29T02:22:46 < jv> What could be wrong when the HAL hangs at SD_FindSCR on F745 ? 2018-01-29T02:22:53 < jv> some time ago it worked and now it doesn't :/ 2018-01-29T02:25:45 -!- ffffffffffffffff [~fffffffff@135.0.26.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T02:31:56 < polymorph> jv: is the sd still alive? ;> 2018-01-29T02:36:21 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T02:36:51 < dale6998> where is the natural log function in the ST drivers? 2018-01-29T02:37:14 -!- ffffffffffffffff [~fffffffff@135.0.26.103] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T02:37:48 < jv> polymorph: something i've wondered too 2018-01-29T02:38:13 < jv> polymorph: i managed to get usb bd+dma working, started to copy some data to it and then it kinda stopped working 2018-01-29T02:38:38 < jv> albeit i do believe i managed to format fatfs later 2018-01-29T02:38:51 < polymorph> an sd card can write 1000x its capacity, on any sector or all sector 2018-01-29T02:39:21 < polymorph> you can write 1TB on an 1GB sd card until it dies, normally 2018-01-29T02:40:02 < jv> well, was more afraid if some of my experiments didn't kill it somehow 2018-01-29T02:43:13 < jv> sadly the card is soldered to the board so can't test different one :/ 2018-01-29T03:13:58 -!- tct [~tct@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-29T03:37:03 < dongs> aandrew: gross. 2018-01-29T03:38:40 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T03:50:48 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@S01061cabc0ab4603.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T04:03:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T04:26:08 < dongs> thats what I thought too 2018-01-29T04:26:18 < dongs> the amount of autism is about same 2018-01-29T04:28:28 < aandrew> haha ok so we all had the same hunch 2018-01-29T04:28:33 < aandrew> dongs: what's so gross 2018-01-29T04:28:38 < dongs> 0805 passives man 2018-01-29T04:28:49 < dongs> i dont even know how you do that 2018-01-29T04:29:17 < dongs> i mean you have a 5x5 QFN and it needs ~15 caps/Rs around it 2018-01-29T04:29:19 < dongs> how doyou do that 2018-01-29T04:29:25 < dongs> just line them up at a distance from all pins? 2018-01-29T04:29:37 < aandrew> dongs: bottom layer 2018-01-29T04:29:44 < aandrew> usually pretty decent 2018-01-29T04:29:45 < dongs> awful 2018-01-29T04:30:02 < dongs> ill take 0402and single layer assembly over that trash 2018-01-29T04:30:17 < aandrew> so pretend they're 0402s, it's a schematic review, you can call my layout disgusting next week :-) 2018-01-29T04:58:17 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@S01061cabc0ab4603.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2018-01-29T05:07:15 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T05:11:09 -!- MrMobius [49b80497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.184.4.151] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T05:19:55 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T05:23:00 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@tmo-100-182.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T05:23:04 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-29T05:31:19 < MrMobius> https://hackaday.com/2016/10/21/two-stage-tentacle-mechanisms-part-iii-putting-it-all-together/ 2018-01-29T05:43:05 < Cracki> nice 2018-01-29T05:44:24 -!- Guest65900 [~Thunderbi@mail.hong-lin.com.tw] has quit [Quit: Guest65900] 2018-01-29T05:50:42 < MrMobius> was hoping Laurenceb would spontaneously admit ownership 2018-01-29T05:50:48 < MrMobius> but he's not here 2018-01-29T05:50:55 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@tmo-100-182.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-29T05:51:27 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T05:59:53 < polymorph> Hello 2018-01-29T06:00:14 < polymorph> anybody in neeed of Tda7293s? http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/4f/18/a6/c8/21/33/41/8d/CD00001887.pdf/files/CD00001887.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00001887.pdf 2018-01-29T06:01:17 < dongs> found autistic post https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/quick-questions-amp-build/ 2018-01-29T06:02:40 < polymorph> dongs: lel? 2018-01-29T06:02:51 < dongs> its you, i can tell 2018-01-29T06:02:55 < dongs> same level of autistic detail 2018-01-29T06:03:09 < polymorph> autists are demb 2018-01-29T06:06:38 < polymorph> anyway did ask ecause i have 21 of them, unused 2018-01-29T06:06:53 < polymorph> b 2018-01-29T06:10:46 < dongs> make a dolby atmos receiver 2018-01-29T06:10:48 < dongs> with 21 spakers. 2018-01-29T06:11:05 < polymorph> these can be paralleled or bridged 2018-01-29T06:13:11 <@englishman> what is atmos 2018-01-29T06:13:22 <@englishman> i bought a thing that said "it has atmos" and its utter shit 2018-01-29T06:13:27 < dongs> lol 2018-01-29T06:13:39 < dongs> its some new audio wank from dolby 2018-01-29T06:13:43 < dongs> after DTS or wahtever 2018-01-29T06:13:47 < dongs> 3d positioning of amaze sounds 2018-01-29T06:13:49 < dongs> https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/home/dolby-atmos.html 2018-01-29T06:13:51 <@englishman> ok to rename DTS for 2017 2018-01-29T06:13:55 < dongs> it tells me to use edge or safari to play it 2018-01-29T06:14:02 < dongs> so i cannot get the full amazeeffect 2018-01-29T06:14:06 < dongs> as I have neither 2018-01-29T06:14:10 <@englishman> i do not want my audio to flow around me 2018-01-29T06:14:10 < polymorph> dongs: do they need 85W sine per channel? 2018-01-29T06:14:35 < dongs> open the soundstage wider than hello.jpg 2018-01-29T06:16:48 < polymorph> dongs: i hmade a non pmpo sound system years ago, it used this and 30cm diameter speakers in a 90cm reflex wood box 2018-01-29T06:17:54 < polymorph> class AB, so you may hurr now, it is not switched mode D or T that everybody uses in their car to impress other faggots 2018-01-29T06:27:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T06:32:24 < polymorph> dongs: you are building a soundsystem? 2018-01-29T06:50:30 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T06:50:55 < aandrew> huh, used every pin on the stm32f042g4, including the oscin/out 2018-01-29T07:01:37 -!- MrM0bius [49b80497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.184.4.151] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:02:19 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:03:09 -!- MrMobius [49b80497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.184.4.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T07:04:45 < polymorph> aandrew: cool :) 2018-01-29T07:07:57 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T07:08:00 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T07:08:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-29T07:08:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T07:08:43 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:12:14 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:13:22 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:23:59 < jsoft> Man st's forums are shit 2018-01-29T07:24:05 < jsoft> Always with the unexpected errors 2018-01-29T07:24:12 < polymorph> :) 2018-01-29T07:24:50 < polymorph> jsoft: what are you up to? 2018-01-29T07:24:55 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T07:30:54 < jsoft> polymorph, just investigating LL RTC problems 2018-01-29T07:31:25 < polymorph> jsoft: i have those too :) 2018-01-29T07:32:17 < jsoft> polymorph, how so 2018-01-29T07:33:06 < polymorph> jsoft: And SysTick cannot be clocked by the 32768Hz xtal, only if i were to sacrifice a pin and connect as external int from the clockout pin 2018-01-29T07:35:28 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:39:09 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-29T07:39:09 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-29T07:40:32 < polymorph> jsoft: an alternate solution would be setting the rtc div to 1 and have 32768Hz seconds, that would however disable the rtc's ability to keep time from a battery 2018-01-29T07:41:49 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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:) either i sacrifice a pin, and have a systick, or i don't use rtc to keep time on a 3V battery 2018-01-29T07:50:29 < jsoft> I was meaning any of those things 2018-01-29T07:50:37 < jsoft> well, im not bothering with an external battery 2018-01-29T07:50:40 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:50:46 < jsoft> Systick works for me. 2018-01-29T07:50:51 < jsoft> But RTC is being a dick face. 2018-01-29T07:51:02 < jsoft> ( only when I try and set alarms using LL drivers ). 2018-01-29T07:51:41 < polymorph> RTC could just increase a counter... 2018-01-29T07:52:08 < polymorph> want anything fancier than that? 2018-01-29T07:52:27 -!- MrMobius [49b80497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.184.4.151] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T07:53:08 < polymorph> maybe next version will send you a calendar with appointments via email 2018-01-29T07:53:36 < polymorph> and send sms 2018-01-29T08:06:55 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.203.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T08:07:25 < jsoft> I am mainly wanting something which can have long delays while keeping the uC asleep 2018-01-29T08:10:36 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T08:10:49 < polymorph> that would be some external interrupt cmos ic or the rtc 2018-01-29T08:12:06 < polymorph> jsoft: you can wake up at button press and events too 2018-01-29T08:17:37 < jsoft> hence why I was trying to use the rtc. 2018-01-29T08:18:59 -!- MrMobius [49b80497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.184.4.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T08:27:38 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T08:40:51 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T08:41:18 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-29T08:41:37 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T08:42:30 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T09:02:20 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-29T09:02:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-29T09:02:52 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-6df015-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-29T09:12:12 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-6df015-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T09:22:07 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T09:24:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@85.225.235.40] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T09:38:24 < dongs> zyp your cables are done 2018-01-29T09:38:44 < zyp> nice 2018-01-29T09:39:06 < dongs> any preference of how to receive them? 2018-01-29T09:39:15 < dongs> and do i ahve addres i nemail for it? 2018-01-29T09:39:56 < zyp> yeah, I sent you address same day you sent me the invoice 2018-01-29T09:40:51 < zyp> for shipping, fast is good 2018-01-29T09:41:50 < dongs> OK 2018-01-29T09:44:41 < zyp> idk if it's possible to have it here by the end of this week, but that'd be ideal 2018-01-29T09:45:02 < dongs> you need to start sending me phone numbers 2018-01-29T09:45:02 < dongs> ok 2018-01-29T09:45:13 < zyp> I kinda need one by monday, but I'm already prepared to ghetto up something if I don't 2018-01-29T09:45:18 < zyp> +47 48182238 2018-01-29T09:45:37 < dongs> thanks 2018-01-29T09:46:19 < dongs> will make it happen by friday 2018-01-29T09:49:24 < dongs> zyp, 27 bucks by TNT 2018-01-29T09:49:27 < dongs> should be there by friday 2018-01-29T09:49:29 < dongs> or earlier 2018-01-29T09:49:39 < zyp> that works 2018-01-29T09:49:56 < dongs> lemme see if thats final amount andyou can shitpal that 2018-01-29T09:50:11 < dongs> 28.40 final 2018-01-29T09:50:24 < dongs> do you need an invoice? 2018-01-29T09:50:29 < dongs> probly right 2018-01-29T09:50:31 < dongs> to write it off 2018-01-29T09:50:32 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-29T09:50:34 < dongs> OK 2018-01-29T09:50:41 < zyp> need to claim back expenses 2018-01-29T09:50:50 < dongs> ok 2018-01-29T09:53:07 < zyp> 28.40 paid 2018-01-29T09:53:38 < dongs> ok invoice sent 2018-01-29T09:59:04 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T10:01:01 < zyp> thanks 2018-01-29T10:01:06 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T10:01:18 < dongs> you have tracking 2018-01-29T10:01:25 < zyp> nice 2018-01-29T10:07:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@85.225.235.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T10:16:00 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T10:31:12 < ReadErr> dongs: 2018-01-29T10:31:35 < ReadErr> narita airport 2018-01-29T10:31:42 < ReadErr> is that on the same island? 2018-01-29T10:31:50 < ReadErr> some crazy bitch is claiming to live there 2018-01-29T10:31:51 < zyp> same island as what? 2018-01-29T10:32:06 < ReadErr> wherever hes at 2018-01-29T10:32:11 < zyp> no 2018-01-29T10:35:30 < ReadErr> lol alright someone would probably pay good shitcoins if he was able to drive by just figured id ask 2018-01-29T10:35:49 < zyp> wat 2018-01-29T10:35:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T10:36:13 < ReadErr> its a long story 2018-01-29T10:37:12 < ReadErr> guy is some shitcoin billionaire 2018-01-29T10:43:30 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-29T10:43:47 < dongs> a shitcoin billionaire on the internet? you dont say 2018-01-29T10:45:00 < ReadErr> lol ikr 2018-01-29T10:45:58 < ReadErr> but hes crazy like that 2018-01-29T10:56:17 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T11:07:57 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-29T11:17:33 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T12:02:19 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T12:02:58 < stvn> the amplifier demon 2018-01-29T12:04:38 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-29T12:04:38 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2018-01-29T12:04:54 < stvn> hi BrainDamage 2018-01-29T12:06:37 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T12:08:05 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-29T12:11:25 < BrainDamage> hello ... bye 2018-01-29T12:13:18 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T12:13:29 < ReadErr> hey friends, btw 2018-01-29T12:13:33 < ReadErr> terry davis is alive 2018-01-29T12:13:42 < stvn> of course 2018-01-29T12:13:58 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblYSKz_VnI 2018-01-29T12:15:35 < stvn> o/ 2018-01-29T12:15:37 < Thorn> ho lee shit https://twitter.com/DutchSpace/status/957024803474550786 2018-01-29T12:16:30 < Thorn> the Ariane 5 launch 2 days ago deviated 20° to the south right after liftoff and passed over observers on the beach 2018-01-29T12:17:05 < Thorn> if mission control activated the FTS they would be firebombed Vietnam style 2018-01-29T12:17:32 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@mobile-access-6df015-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-29T12:17:48 < polymorph> hey ReadErr really? 2018-01-29T12:18:03 < polymorph> i remember the cia niggers are hunting him 2018-01-29T12:18:04 < ReadErr> ya 2018-01-29T12:18:33 < ReadErr> MUNNATUNNA │ intel is israel's little bitch. buy AMD Ryzen 2018-01-29T12:18:33 < ReadErr> ◀ │ Terry (~Terry@B0D06787.4245A95F.E1EABE85.IP) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2018-01-29T12:18:47 < polymorph> hahah 2018-01-29T12:18:50 < ReadErr> he was just on 2018-01-29T12:18:59 < polymorph> like if amd was not compromised 2018-01-29T12:19:27 < ReadErr> Terry │ Im in Arizona right now. Terry went crazy, van wrecked. 2018-01-29T12:19:28 < stvn> whut irc does terry go on 2018-01-29T12:19:38 < ReadErr> rizon 2018-01-29T12:19:40 < ReadErr> shithole net 2018-01-29T12:19:44 < polymorph> he probably made one in asm 2018-01-29T12:19:56 < polymorph> i mean the terry comyiler 2018-01-29T12:20:32 < ReadErr> HolyC ? 2018-01-29T12:20:45 < polymorph> YES 2018-01-29T12:21:24 < qyx> is it a handcrafted compiler for templeos? 2018-01-29T12:21:32 < qyx> sounds related 2018-01-29T12:21:40 < jadew> lmfao, I have to ask for a registration number from the customs and they sent me the instructions: 1) Uninstall EVERYTHING java from your PC and install the version found at this URL. 2) Install this version of the Java runtime. 3) Open IE and browse to... 2018-01-29T12:21:54 < polymorph> qyx: that is correct! 2018-01-29T12:22:20 < ReadErr> terry is a beast 2018-01-29T12:22:32 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-29T12:23:02 < polymorph> he should have given up long time ago though and joined netbsd 2018-01-29T12:23:50 < ReadErr> his standards are far to high 2018-01-29T12:23:56 < ReadErr> by his, I mean Gods 2018-01-29T12:24:04 < ReadErr> *bsd would never make the cut 2018-01-29T12:30:58 < stvn> s t m 3 2 2018-01-29T12:36:07 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T12:49:29 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-29T13:00:46 < day> ReadErr: which channel on rizon? 2018-01-29T13:00:57 < ReadErr> #templeos 2018-01-29T13:01:00 < day> oh 2018-01-29T13:02:32 < day> lol. that channel is fuller than expected. im guessing 90% are there for drama only :P 2018-01-29T13:02:40 < day> 99%* 2018-01-29T13:02:46 < ReadErr> yea mixed 2018-01-29T13:02:53 < ReadErr> some 8chan retards 2018-01-29T13:06:23 < PaulFertser> Folks, anyone fancy explaining me some basic physics thing? When you have a regular car differential, an open one, and you get one of the wheel in the air, and it's spinning, what's the torque? I'd say 0 on both wheels. Why is Trout_uta_2502M_11061.pdf talking about a spool always distributing torque at 50:50 fraction when in fact it can be anywhere from 0 to 100% ? 2018-01-29T13:09:21 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T13:14:19 < BrainDamage> not 0 on both 2018-01-29T13:14:38 < BrainDamage> it'd be near 0 on the one not touching the ground 2018-01-29T13:15:14 < BrainDamage> most/all the torque would be applied to the one having traction 2018-01-29T13:15:34 < BrainDamage> a differential tries to keep both speeds equal 2018-01-29T13:15:43 < BrainDamage> distributing the torque accordingly 2018-01-29T13:16:09 < BrainDamage> well, the average at least 2018-01-29T13:17:27 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-29T13:17:59 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I think a regular open differential keeps both torques equal, not speeds. Or else the car with one wheel spinning in the air would be moving, and in fact it's stationary. 2018-01-29T13:18:29 < invzim> most annoying Monday in a long time - apartment lock is broken and I'm locked in 2018-01-29T13:19:34 < invzim> from outside, the cylinder is freefly going 360 when using key, from inside it's kind of stuck 2018-01-29T13:19:41 < invzim> freely :) 2018-01-29T13:29:18 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T13:33:17 < karlp> PaulFertser: why is the car with one wheel spinning in the air stationary? 2018-01-29T13:34:00 < PaulFertser> karlp: because differential will make the torque equal and so if one wheel in the air spinning freely, the torque will be zero on both wheels and so it won't move even though the other wheel is firm on the ground. 2018-01-29T13:37:05 -!- raek [~raek@h-152-114.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T13:39:16 < karlp> that, doesn't sound like it matches reality 2018-01-29T13:40:27 < aandrew> hm, chinasourcers can't seem to find stm32f042f6p6 for less than $0.86 2018-01-29T13:40:31 < PaulFertser> karlp: what do you mean? You can try it yourself, use a jack to put one of the driving wheels in the air, then get in gear and slowly depress the clutch. 2018-01-29T13:40:47 < aandrew> and I need the slightly larger pkg (stm32f042g4u6) 2018-01-29T13:41:48 < aandrew> BrainDamage: huh? 2018-01-29T13:42:14 < aandrew> BrainDamage: if I take a toy RC car with a diff and grab one of the wheels, the other spins freely and no torque is applied to the wheel I'm holding 2018-01-29T13:42:20 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T13:42:20 < PaulFertser> karlp: or just remember the last time when one of your wheels got on a slippy surface and was spinning like mad with the other wheel not doing anything at all. 2018-01-29T13:42:21 < aandrew> BrainDamage: i.e. the differential is slipping 100% 2018-01-29T13:42:24 < karlp> PaulFertser: so, how do all the stunt cars work, driving around up on their sides? and all the saudis doing it on regular jeeps 2018-01-29T13:42:38 < PaulFertser> karlp: locked differential 2018-01-29T13:42:45 < karlp> I dunno man, it just keep sdriving forwards with one slipping 2018-01-29T13:43:06 < aandrew> like PaulFertser said, the diff is locked 2018-01-29T13:43:20 < PaulFertser> karlp: probably you have smart system that uses breaks to stop the spinning wheel a little so that it needed some torque to continue spinning. 2018-01-29T13:43:29 < PaulFertser> "traction control" 2018-01-29T13:43:51 < aandrew> yep and before that there were limited slip differentials that only allowed some slip, not full slip 2018-01-29T13:44:20 < BrainDamage> damn, yeah, i got it in reverse, you guys are right 2018-01-29T13:44:28 < BrainDamage> it's equal torque not equal speed 2018-01-29T13:44:46 < PaulFertser> aandrew: they're still useful for offroading, afaik. 2018-01-29T13:45:07 < PaulFertser> So, what am I reading wrong in that paper then? It doesn't seem to be written by someone who doesn't know school-level physics. 2018-01-29T13:45:52 < PaulFertser> "a locking mechanism engages and splits the torque 50/50 like a spool" <-- this looks like complete nonsense. 2018-01-29T13:46:18 < BrainDamage> context? 2018-01-29T13:47:49 < PaulFertser> "when one tire loses traction" and it talks about "locked differential". Which is also strange because if it's already locked, then it means a locking mechanism was already engaged. 2018-01-29T13:48:09 < PaulFertser> Page 10 of http://paulfertser.info/Trout_uta_2502M_11061.pdf 2018-01-29T13:48:29 < zyp> what are you discussing? 2018-01-29T13:49:19 < PaulFertser> zyp: torque distrubution by a common open differential for cars, compared to a locked differential or spool. 2018-01-29T13:49:35 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-29T13:49:50 < zyp> PaulFertser, the author of your document doesn't seem to understand the definition of torque properly, he seems to be writing torque when he means speed 2018-01-29T13:50:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T13:50:18 < zyp> "The purpose of a differential on a vehicle is to allow the tires to rotate at different speeds when traveling through a corner. Without this differentiation the tires would experience equal torque and in order to turn, one tire would need to break traction against the road surface." 2018-01-29T13:50:38 < zyp> they wouldn't experience equal torque, they would experience equal speed 2018-01-29T13:51:00 < PaulFertser> zyp: I have the same impression but it's an MSc thesis at a University, hency my confusion. 2018-01-29T13:51:22 < zyp> being a MSc thesis doesn't mean it's good 2018-01-29T13:51:54 < BrainDamage> is it the final text? or just a wip? 2018-01-29T13:51:55 < PaulFertser> But there was a supervising professor and some others evaluating the work etc. 2018-01-29T13:51:59 < BrainDamage> because wip can be full of nonsense 2018-01-29T13:52:32 < BrainDamage> some profs don't read the material until it's almost ready for submission 2018-01-29T13:53:19 < PaulFertser> https://s.race.fi/data/quaife/quaife_thesis.pdf 2018-01-29T13:53:34 < qyx> and some don't even then 2018-01-29T13:53:39 < zyp> I'm pretty sure that if I looked at my BSc thesis now, it'd look pretty shit too 2018-01-29T13:53:43 < zyp> still got an A on it 2018-01-29T13:53:49 < qyx> same here 2018-01-29T13:54:15 < qyx> it was a piece of junk 2018-01-29T13:54:25 < qyx> its only purpose was to be actually written 2018-01-29T13:54:39 < zyp> haha, fuck that shit 2018-01-29T13:55:27 < zyp> I remember we were doing it as a group of three 2018-01-29T13:55:32 < PaulFertser> I see, so it's just stupid shit. Thank you very much! 2018-01-29T13:56:07 < zyp> the other two on my group insisted on writing it in english to make it sound more professional, and I just went "yeah, sure, I don't mind" 2018-01-29T13:56:27 < zyp> turned out my english were the least shitty, so I got to edit it all 2018-01-29T13:57:00 < PaulFertser> What a catch :) 2018-01-29T13:57:07 < dongs> < PaulFertser> Page 10 of http://paulfertser.info/Trout_uta_2502M_11061.pdf < half expected a song about trouts in pdf form 2018-01-29T13:57:15 < zyp> haha 2018-01-29T13:57:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T13:57:53 < zyp> (for reference: uta is japanese for song) 2018-01-29T13:58:04 <@englishman> paul, as i know it, a spool when referred to a diff is a locked diff 2018-01-29T13:58:24 < zyp> englishman, I believe so too 2018-01-29T13:58:59 < zyp> e.g. a "welded diff" 2018-01-29T13:59:01 < zyp> :) 2018-01-29T13:59:04 < PaulFertser> englishman: yes, that document uses it in the same sense 2018-01-29T13:59:32 < zyp> hmm, should have tried that with the old car before I scrapped it 2018-01-29T13:59:48 < zyp> just opened up the diff and welded it 2018-01-29T14:02:48 < qyx> which reminds me.. I am looking for a nice 6" hub motor 2018-01-29T14:06:57 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-29T14:09:14 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:16:29 < ReadErr> englishman: did you see 2018-01-29T14:16:31 < ReadErr> terry 2018-01-29T14:16:33 < ReadErr> alive 2018-01-29T14:20:57 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T14:21:27 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:26:18 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T14:27:35 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:28:17 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-29T14:29:36 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:35:10 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T14:36:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:40:40 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T14:41:01 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:41:37 < karlp> good job mouser. https://eu.mouser.com/Espressif-Systems/Embedded-Solutions/RF-Wireless-Modules/_/N-6f8ws?P=1y98oj7 2018-01-29T14:41:47 < karlp> wroom32 is restricted export, 2018-01-29T14:41:49 < karlp> wrover is not. 2018-01-29T14:41:56 < karlp> only difference is external psram. 2018-01-29T14:43:53 < karlp> heh, for the ICs tehmselves, I can buy the qfn5x5 package, but the qfn6x6 package is restricted export again :) 2018-01-29T14:44:09 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-29T14:47:42 < jpa-> they know that if you are pro enough to solder then qfn5x5, you'll get your parts anyway 2018-01-29T14:48:20 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:49:13 < jadew> I went into a heavy machinery factory today 2018-01-29T14:49:33 < jadew> awesome stuff, but seriously outdated 2018-01-29T14:51:31 < jadew> the guy I talked with said that before the revolution there were 700 engineers working there, not counting the factory workers 2018-01-29T14:51:46 < jadew> today only 2 engineers and a handful of workers remain 2018-01-29T14:52:07 < jadew> the machinery is still awesome and what I found surprising was that it was very quiet 2018-01-29T14:52:09 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:52:17 < jadew> even tho they were machining stuff 2018-01-29T14:52:47 < jadew> you could barely hear those huge milling machines 2018-01-29T14:54:38 -!- dale6998 [~dale6998@cpe-104-228-210-218.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-29T14:54:49 < jadew> he said that most employees have left soon after the revolution and no new blood came to take their place 2018-01-29T14:55:26 < qyx> when did you have that revolution? 2018-01-29T14:55:39 < jadew> '89 2018-01-29T14:55:59 < jadew> almost 30 years ago 2018-01-29T14:56:15 < qyx> mhm, probably more countries in 89 then 2018-01-29T14:56:18 < BrainDamage> ceausesku? 2018-01-29T14:56:20 < qyx> here too 2018-01-29T14:56:24 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah 2018-01-29T14:56:42 -!- tct [~tct@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T14:57:30 < BrainDamage> wasn't he the idiot that forbidden abortions and created huge orphanages to have future cheap workforce? 2018-01-29T14:57:44 < BrainDamage> i mean, that's the kind of shit you'd read in dystopian books 2018-01-29T14:57:53 < PaulFertser> p⃗ = mV⃗ 2018-01-29T14:57:56 < jadew> yeah 2018-01-29T14:58:19 < jadew> I don't know if that's the plan, but abortions were illegal back then 2018-01-29T14:59:01 < jadew> people still did them, but you were facing all sorts of risks 2018-01-29T14:59:12 < jadew> there's a movie on the topic 2018-01-29T14:59:26 < tomeaton17> Does anyone know of a gui similar to the debug menu in truestudio which is standalone and works with jlink? 2018-01-29T14:59:48 < jadew> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032846/reference 2018-01-29T15:03:15 < jadew> this is a fun one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1422122/reference 2018-01-29T15:07:53 <@Steffanx> Ive heard the word "ozone" here a few times. Not sure if thats what you want tomeaton17 2018-01-29T15:08:05 <@Steffanx> Why you want a standalone tool? 2018-01-29T15:08:18 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-29T15:15:06 -!- tavish [~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-29T15:20:00 < dongs> dogecoin is going to the moon 2018-01-29T15:22:38 < dongs> http://www.chinadoge.cn/ haha 2018-01-29T15:23:51 <@englishman> irc nanny has flagged the fuck out of that one 2018-01-29T15:24:03 < dongs> my laptop fan didnt spin up 2018-01-29T15:24:10 < dongs> so at least they're not mining dogecoin when i visit the site 2018-01-29T15:24:16 < dongs> something I kinda expeted to happen 2018-01-29T15:34:48 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: I tried TrueSTUDIO and didnt really like it, but liked the debugger. Ozone looks good, but unfortunately my edu license doesn't cover it. 2018-01-29T15:35:12 < zyp> you can use ozone in trial mode without a license 2018-01-29T15:39:24 < tomeaton17> Yeah thanks 2018-01-29T15:43:28 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T15:51:04 < dongs> ozone is amazing 2018-01-29T15:51:21 < dongs> way faster switching debug perspective than keil and the graphing/watch stuff actually works 2018-01-29T15:54:04 < qyx> I am surprised to hear that something in this universe is better than keil 2018-01-29T15:54:37 <@englishman> keil has to close and redraw all the windows 2018-01-29T15:54:51 <@englishman> doing it in a 2nd window is pretty efficient 2018-01-29T15:55:18 <@englishman> im sure eclipse is close behind. 2018-01-29T16:37:42 < sync> jpa-: can you add H7 to your price comparison? 2018-01-29T16:41:59 -!- tct_ [~tct@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T16:44:45 -!- tct [~tct@adsl-130-227.dsl.init7.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-29T16:46:14 < karlp> hrm, I thought you used to be able to click off certain families on that page 2018-01-29T16:48:22 < ReadErr> dongs: you know any ppl near that airport? 2018-01-29T16:49:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.127.153.110] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T16:49:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.127.153.110] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-29T16:49:36 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T16:52:06 < dongs> dude, the fuck does it matter 2018-01-29T16:52:11 < dongs> yes, its an entire fucking city 2018-01-29T16:52:15 < dongs> theres probably 100000 japs living there 2018-01-29T16:52:47 < dongs> As of February 1, 2016, the city has an estimated population of 131,096 and a population density of 613 persons per km². Its total area was 213.84 square kilometres (82.56 sq mi). 2018-01-29T16:54:34 < karlp> what are you guys talking about? 2018-01-29T16:54:42 < dongs> autism, withouta doubt 2018-01-29T16:54:44 < ReadErr> nothin 2018-01-29T16:54:45 < ReadErr> ya 2018-01-29T16:54:52 < ReadErr> it really is, but not mine 2018-01-29T16:54:55 < dongs> i tihnk ReadErr wants me to go netcop some jap who claims to be a shitcoin billioanire 2018-01-29T16:55:04 < ReadErr> haha no 2018-01-29T16:55:07 < ReadErr> its even worse 2018-01-29T16:55:12 < dongs> its some white trash? 2018-01-29T16:55:27 < ReadErr> its some woman that claims to have 4 kids 2018-01-29T16:55:30 < dongs> do I need to bring my thermal imager 2018-01-29T16:55:30 < ReadErr> but apparently 2018-01-29T16:55:33 < ReadErr> is a scam 2018-01-29T16:55:35 < dongs> to detect the house 2018-01-29T16:55:41 < dongs> thats giving out the most heat 2018-01-29T16:55:44 < dongs> in the area 2018-01-29T16:55:50 < ReadErr> theres a whole bunch more 2018-01-29T16:55:51 < dongs> becaues of all the shitcoin rigs running 2018-01-29T16:55:59 < ReadErr> hahah no 2018-01-29T16:56:06 < dongs> TIL that wifecop is running a scam shitcoin op out of tokyo 2018-01-29T16:57:26 < ReadErr> she claims that her husband 2018-01-29T16:57:29 < ReadErr> took her first kid 2018-01-29T16:57:33 < ReadErr> and ran away 2018-01-29T16:57:46 < ReadErr> and raised it himself and she couldnt ever see it 2018-01-29T16:57:56 < dongs> sounds like typical jap scam 2018-01-29T16:58:03 < ReadErr> some batty woman we think 2018-01-29T16:58:23 < ReadErr> is that .jp law or something? 2018-01-29T16:58:27 < ReadErr> since she was an immigrant 2018-01-29T16:58:38 < ReadErr> and her ex baby daddy jap 2018-01-29T16:58:54 < ReadErr> what guy would want to be stuck raising a kid on his own 2018-01-29T16:59:03 < tomeaton17> Im suprised this uart actually works https://i.imgur.com/r4hJPwe.png 2018-01-29T17:00:08 < ReadErr> wat is the bototm 2018-01-29T17:00:15 < dongs> sounds like some garbage usb "scope" trace 2018-01-29T17:00:27 < jpa-> sync: yeah, should do that 2018-01-29T17:00:49 < tomeaton17> bottom is what saleae thinks is happening 2018-01-29T17:01:31 < ReadErr> https://store.digilentinc.com/analog-discovery-2-100msps-usb-oscilloscope-logic-analyzer-and-variable-power-supply/ 2018-01-29T17:01:36 < ReadErr> still wonder how these things are 2018-01-29T17:01:48 < ReadErr> comparatively 2018-01-29T17:03:50 < karlp> comparatively to what? 2018-01-29T17:04:09 < ReadErr> idk, saleae 2018-01-29T17:04:18 < karlp> salea what? 2018-01-29T17:04:18 < ReadErr> student price is 1/2 off 2018-01-29T17:04:30 < ReadErr> well, I suppose the new logic one 2018-01-29T17:12:55 < tomeaton17> I am worried that this uart undershoot/overshoot will damage my f04 as it spikes up to 4.4-4.5V. https://gyazo.com/d8d2fd16527bd1ab4f08b237811d4450 will it cause problems? 2018-01-29T17:21:49 < PaulFertser> Aren't all digital f0 pins 5v tolerant? 2018-01-29T17:21:58 < jadew> tomeaton17, first of all, are you sure that's what it really looks like? 2018-01-29T17:22:04 < jadew> it could be a probing error 2018-01-29T17:24:31 < jadew> second of all, it's fairly short and even if it was real, it would get taken care of by the clamping diodes (which is another reason why I think it might be a probing error - it shouldn't get that high) 2018-01-29T17:25:16 < jadew> are you maybe using a long ground lead? 2018-01-29T17:27:50 < jadew> hmm, any chance the grounding is not the best? 2018-01-29T17:28:40 < tomeaton17> PaulFertser: Yes I think its 5.5v on my device 2018-01-29T17:29:02 < tomeaton17> jadew: Probably, its going through my breadboard first so that might be the issue 2018-01-29T17:42:09 -!- Guest7580 [995c7f96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.153.92.127.150] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T17:42:16 -!- Guest7580 [995c7f96@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.153.92.127.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-29T17:45:38 -!- Guest23 [05874c07@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.5.135.76.7] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T17:45:45 -!- Guest23 is now known as Laurenceb__ 2018-01-29T17:45:53 < Laurenceb__> supppp 2018-01-29T17:45:58 < Laurenceb__> my homies 2018-01-29T17:47:20 < Laurenceb__> anything new in the channel? 2018-01-29T17:48:35 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3ec517d68b/80107.png <- meanwhile in muh city 2018-01-29T17:48:43 < Laurenceb__> should I join them? 2018-01-29T17:49:54 < Laurenceb__> which one of you guys is this? 2018-01-29T17:49:56 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3ec517d68b/80109.jpg 2018-01-29T17:54:24 < polymorph> hi 2018-01-29T17:55:41 < polymorph> soldered wires from an ata-133 cable in a gps connecting the friggin microusb connector socket and board ;/ 2018-01-29T17:56:44 < Laurenceb__> wait and u wanted the uart? 2018-01-29T17:56:45 < Laurenceb__> amirite? 2018-01-29T17:58:48 < Laurenceb__> so why the blogpostin when u could be shitpostin 2018-01-29T18:01:49 < polymorph> Laurenceb__: natin new 2018-01-29T18:02:11 < Laurenceb__> englishman banned me 2018-01-29T18:02:26 < Laurenceb__> but with the help of Putins russian hackers I'm back on the channel 2018-01-29T18:02:46 < Laurenceb__> I had to get Trump elected to be here 2018-01-29T18:02:54 < polymorph> oh, what did you do 2018-01-29T18:02:59 < Laurenceb__> shitpostin 2018-01-29T18:03:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T18:04:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-29T18:11:34 < polymorph> it works, now it won't break out o the panel and still charge, fixed the soldered wires with composite concrete 2018-01-29T18:13:50 -!- Amun_Ra [~amun-ra@retro.rocks] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2018-01-29T18:19:00 -!- Amun_Ra [~amun-ra@retro.rocks] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T18:22:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T18:28:16 -!- Laurenceb__ [05874c07@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.5.135.76.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-29T18:36:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-29T18:38:56 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyy95wy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T18:42:58 < kakimir> recommend chinacheap thermocouple meter? 2018-01-29T18:43:07 < kakimir> preferrably multiple channels 2018-01-29T18:43:18 < kakimir> are these all same turd? 2018-01-29T18:43:34 < kakimir> single channel one I bought for 3eur was very good 2018-01-29T18:43:44 < kakimir> that black one with power switch 2018-01-29T18:51:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T19:07:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T19:10:45 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T19:26:11 < kakimir> last weekend had sauna first time in a month 2018-01-29T19:30:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-29T19:40:20 < Lux> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HT-9815-Digital-Dual-channel-Thermocouple-Thermometer-K-type-thermocouple-probe-sensor-industrial-temperature-test-200C/32793596685.html 2018-01-29T19:40:47 < Lux> seems to work ok, haven't compared with any other thermometers though 2018-01-29T19:41:00 < kakimir> Lux, you have that? 2018-01-29T19:41:05 < kakimir> I actually looked at that 2018-01-29T19:41:27 < Lux> actually a friend got it and I played around with it 2018-01-29T19:41:32 < kakimir> but I have concideration about insulation between channels 2018-01-29T19:42:40 < Lux> you mean, that the temperature rises on the other channels if you heat up one tc ? 2018-01-29T19:42:58 < Lux> definetly didn't see that happening 2018-01-29T19:43:30 < kakimir> I mean electically 2018-01-29T19:43:31 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T19:43:34 < kakimir> electrically 2018-01-29T19:44:03 < kakimir> if I connect thermocouples to different potentials 2018-01-29T19:45:46 <@Steffanx> isolate them.. 2018-01-29T19:45:47 < Lux> you shouldn't do that anyway 2018-01-29T19:45:56 < Lux> get seperate meters if you want to do that 2018-01-29T19:46:00 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-29T19:47:21 < kakimir> Lux, I should 2018-01-29T19:47:23 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-29T19:47:24 < Lux> it's highly unlikely, that any of those meters with multiple tc inputs have isolation 2018-01-29T19:47:45 < kakimir> I bet proper meters at least have common range for all the inputs 2018-01-29T19:47:49 < kakimir> like +20volts 2018-01-29T19:48:03 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-29T19:48:35 < Lux> depends on the circuit they use, probably not more than the supply voltage 2018-01-29T19:49:27 < Lux> so more like <3-5v or so 2018-01-29T19:50:29 < Lux> you can also easily electrically isolate the tc beads 2018-01-29T19:51:09 < kakimir> hmm 2018-01-29T19:51:32 < kakimir> can I solder tc bead to circuit for better accuracy? 2018-01-29T19:52:54 < Lux> I wouldn't 2018-01-29T19:53:22 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T19:54:14 < kakimir> me neather 2018-01-29T20:03:52 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-cdb9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:06:18 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-29T20:09:11 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:12:31 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:15:00 <@englishman> https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/29/elon-musks-flamethrower-has-already-made-well-over-3-5-million/ 2018-01-29T20:17:20 <@englishman> https://www.amazon.com/Goss-KP-320MA-Propane-Thawing-Heating/dp/B00462E4SC 2018-01-29T20:24:09 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-29T20:25:24 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:28:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:32:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:42:59 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-29T20:44:30 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-29T20:46:08 < polymorph> kakimir: why you need thermothing? 2018-01-29T20:46:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:46:35 < kakimir> simple measurings 2018-01-29T20:46:52 < polymorph> kakimir: what temp range? 2018-01-29T20:46:53 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:47:12 < kakimir> 0-200celsius 2018-01-29T20:47:34 < polymorph> kakimir: what you say if i tell you a simpler and better way? 2018-01-29T20:48:05 <@Steffanx> Does it involve a watch xtal as systick source? 2018-01-29T20:48:16 < kakimir> polymorph, it need to be small 2018-01-29T20:48:23 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T20:48:49 < polymorph> Steffanx: umm only if you want to timer it, or heat-profile ;> 2018-01-29T20:49:05 < polymorph> kakimir: 1.5x2.5 mm 2018-01-29T20:49:34 < kakimir> ntc? 2018-01-29T20:49:43 < polymorph> PT100, -55-550°C 2018-01-29T20:51:18 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T20:52:29 < polymorph> kakimir: ntc is for very narrow range, or multipoint calibrated, if you want only upto 150°C, then you can use a 4148 diode, or a 2n2222/2369 as an NTC sensor driven by 250-500uA 2018-01-29T20:52:46 <@englishman> how do i get press-space-to-rotate-component back in altidumb 18 2018-01-29T20:52:59 <@englishman> or, where is this command now 2018-01-29T20:53:07 < kakimir> 150C might be end of range 2018-01-29T20:53:17 < kakimir> no more no less 2018-01-29T20:56:10 < kakimir> polymorph, so much test setup for so simple measurement 2018-01-29T20:56:11 < polymorph> kakimir: then you can use a 4148 diode or a transistor ()connected as superdiode) as temperature measurement element... 2018-01-29T20:56:18 < kakimir> this is only test purpose 2018-01-29T20:58:50 < polymorph> diodes need calibration to be useful, but PT100 is fairly precise out of the box 2018-01-29T20:59:09 < kakimir> how do I measure pt100 easy fast 2018-01-29T20:59:21 < kakimir> read resistance and calculate? 2018-01-29T20:59:23 < polymorph> you need to measure its resistance 2018-01-29T20:59:46 < polymorph> at 0.5-1mA current 2018-01-29T21:00:12 < polymorph> it is 100 Ohm at 0°C 2018-01-29T21:01:22 < kakimir> not 25C? 2018-01-29T21:01:26 < kakimir> or 21 2018-01-29T21:02:05 < polymorph> a few °C nonlinearity is present in ist response, can be canceled using the Callendar–Van Dusen equation 2018-01-29T21:02:21 < polymorph> kakimir: no, it is industrial stuff 2018-01-29T21:02:47 < kakimir> few C matters nothing 2018-01-29T21:02:58 < polymorph> an ordinary PT100 is 0.5% 2018-01-29T21:03:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-29T21:04:27 < polymorph> kakimir: coincidentally below 0°C a little more complicated function is needed 2018-01-29T21:04:43 < kakimir> no need for below 0C 2018-01-29T21:05:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T21:05:39 < polymorph> kakimir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callendar%E2%80%93Van_Dusen_equation it is not that hard really 2018-01-29T21:07:14 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T21:09:11 < polymorph> i don't see why would anybody use a thermocouple if the temperature to be measured is below 550°C, PT100 is clearly superior 2018-01-29T21:10:03 < kakimir> because simplicity 2018-01-29T21:10:18 < kakimir> glue or tape the bead in and there you go 2018-01-29T21:10:24 < polymorph> PT100 is a piece of wire dude 2018-01-29T21:10:37 < kakimir> what to connect it to? 2018-01-29T21:11:47 < polymorph> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_thermometer 2018-01-29T21:12:48 < polymorph> a current generator for example and measure the voltage at its 2 terminal with an adc fro example 2018-01-29T21:13:09 < polymorph> not much more complicated than an ntc :P 2018-01-29T21:14:56 < kakimir> I'm doing simple measurement. I just want to see internal temperature of some electronics 2018-01-29T21:15:15 < kakimir> plug in meter -> temperature -> write it down 2018-01-29T21:15:25 < kakimir> sweet I'm done 2018-01-29T21:21:56 < polymorph> [18:50] can I solder tc bead to circuit for better accuracy? crimping? screw? 2018-01-29T21:22:13 < kakimir> maybe just a drop of epoxy 2018-01-29T21:22:23 < kakimir> or CA 2018-01-29T21:22:33 < polymorph> kek 2018-01-29T21:22:53 < polymorph> Thermocouple - CA 2018-01-29T21:22:53 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@unaffiliated/rickta59] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T21:22:59 * srk is playing with reflow oven, PT100 + HX711 and SSR 2018-01-29T21:23:08 < polymorph> srk: cool 2018-01-29T21:23:29 < srk> https://wiki.base48.cz/File:Tempreg.jpeg 2018-01-29T21:25:29 < polymorph> is that the junk type pt100 ? 2018-01-29T21:25:34 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T21:25:40 < srk> dunno, seems to work fine 2018-01-29T21:26:02 < polymorph> i tested a similar one and it died at 400°C 2018-01-29T21:26:58 < stvn> hi srk and polypump 2018-01-29T21:31:48 < kakimir> srk, what are you doin? 2018-01-29T21:32:20 < stvn> LEDimir 2018-01-29T21:34:00 < srk> polymorph: I only need like 190 - 200 for reflow soldering 2018-01-29T21:34:06 < srk> kakimir: reflow soldering :) 2018-01-29T21:35:38 < kakimir> pt100? 2018-01-29T21:35:39 < kakimir> why 2018-01-29T21:35:53 < kakimir> clearly and application for thermocouple 2018-01-29T21:35:54 < srk> why not 2018-01-29T21:36:08 < srk> why tc? 2018-01-29T21:36:16 < aandrew> polymorph: technically all TCs are just pieces of wire 2018-01-29T21:37:00 < kakimir> because reflow soldering happens closer to 300C 2018-01-29T21:37:15 < kakimir> and if you want fast results more than 300 2018-01-29T21:39:35 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-29T21:39:56 < stvn> does anyone use stm32 any more 2018-01-29T21:40:30 < polymorph> srk: mee too, i just tested it. And it failed 2018-01-29T21:40:48 < polymorph> So i don't use that shit type 2018-01-29T21:41:16 < srk> right 2018-01-29T21:41:44 < polymorph> srk: same temp is needed to bake cookies, bread 2018-01-29T21:41:58 < srk> kakimir: the paste I have is sn65pb36ag2 with melting point at 179 °C 2018-01-29T21:42:41 < polymorph> kek 2018-01-29T21:43:01 < polymorph> overunity paste 2018-01-29T21:43:36 < polymorph> that is from china too? 2018-01-29T21:43:39 < kakimir> why so low? 2018-01-29T21:43:49 < srk> not sure, local electronics shop 2018-01-29T21:43:56 < srk> cause of the alloy :) 2018-01-29T21:44:03 < srk> https://www.compuphase.com/electronics/reflowsolderprofiles.htm 2018-01-29T21:45:03 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T21:45:42 < polymorph> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder 2018-01-29T21:46:32 < polymorph> i like the SnPbAg type too, it stays shiny 2018-01-29T21:47:06 < polymorph> And does not rot away easily 2018-01-29T21:47:14 < srk> that's good :) 2018-01-29T21:48:05 < polymorph> srk: btw i think the sensor resistor was soldered in the particular PT100... 2018-01-29T21:48:19 < polymorph> i have cut it open after it died 2018-01-29T21:48:43 < polymorph> solder + reflow temperatures = not ok 2018-01-29T21:49:39 < stvn> wtf is pt100 2018-01-29T21:49:57 < srk> makes sense, this one is rated to 450 C 2018-01-29T21:49:59 < BrainDamage> pt100 is 100 ohm platinum resistor 2018-01-29T21:50:05 < BrainDamage> used to measure temp changes 2018-01-29T21:50:09 < kakimir> I use solder with copper on it 2018-01-29T21:50:10 < srk> with '?' note.. :D 2018-01-29T21:50:17 < kakimir> is it like 2% copper 2018-01-29T21:50:24 < kakimir> I don't know why 2018-01-29T21:50:37 < polymorph> it is a 100 Ohm Platinum resistance temperature detector 2018-01-29T21:50:45 < stvn> thanks brain 2018-01-29T21:50:51 < polymorph> np 2018-01-29T21:53:20 < polymorph> [20:34] clearly and application for thermocouple - nah, soldering never exceeds 450°C, ever, and is most likely 280°C tops 2018-01-29T21:53:22 <@Steffanx> where is ohsix? 2018-01-29T21:53:51 < stvn> overdosed 2018-01-29T21:54:42 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-29T21:56:37 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-29T21:58:40 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T21:59:59 < upgrdman> i also miss ohsix 2018-01-29T22:00:47 < polymorph> [20:48] makes sense, this one is rated to 450 C - the thing is i think it is not rated, i saw some chinese look-alikes and they were "rated" 125C, 200C, 250C, 400C, 450C and nobody knows what is it anymore 2018-01-29T22:01:04 < upgrdman> kakimir, are saunas a social thing or is it done alone? 2018-01-29T22:03:26 < polymorph> i read slow when im doing 20 things at a time ;l 2018-01-29T22:05:02 < kakimir> for me it's mostly just place to go alone and and 2018-01-29T22:05:16 < kakimir> sit down and throw water to stove 2018-01-29T22:05:17 < polymorph> BrainDamage: do you use PT100 RTDs? 2018-01-29T22:06:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-29T22:11:32 < BrainDamage> the only time I've used one was an integrated bolometer for rf measurements, thermocouples + dedicated ics have always been a simpler/easier solution most of the time 2018-01-29T22:12:30 < polymorph> i doubt that 2018-01-29T22:13:05 < BrainDamage> ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯ 2018-01-29T22:13:10 < polymorph> dedicated thermocouple ic is simpler than measuring a resistance? 2018-01-29T22:13:14 < BrainDamage> yes 2018-01-29T22:13:29 < BrainDamage> because measuring a resistance with good accuracy is not easy 2018-01-29T22:13:44 < polymorph> okey good to know 2018-01-29T22:13:54 < BrainDamage> there's 1/f noise, you also want a wien bridge to subtract from baseline 2018-01-29T22:14:23 < BrainDamage> so you need a wien bridge with ac supply and lock-in amplifier to read to reduce 1/f noise 2018-01-29T22:14:57 < BrainDamage> then depending on your accuracy you also have to account for contact mechanics and resistance 2018-01-29T22:15:23 < BrainDamage> while instead with a thermocouple you have to have isothermality between the sensing chip and the cold junction to have compensation 2018-01-29T22:15:34 < polymorph> A PT100 is not a microphone 2018-01-29T22:15:49 < polymorph> dude 2018-01-29T22:15:55 < BrainDamage> what 2018-01-29T22:16:15 < polymorph> talking about noise 2018-01-29T22:16:36 < BrainDamage> ... 2018-01-29T22:16:52 < polymorph> May i suggest a 100nf ceramic capacitor? 2018-01-29T22:17:14 < BrainDamage> may i suggest studying a bit signal processing and measurement? 2018-01-29T22:17:30 < srk> :D 2018-01-29T22:17:32 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ECyOgt14/fatpipe.png 2018-01-29T22:17:35 < ReadErr> fyi 2018-01-29T22:17:45 < ReadErr> i have a huge edong atm 2018-01-29T22:18:16 < ReadErr> (that is all, carry on) 2018-01-29T22:18:35 < tct_> so 1G up but 300M down.... that means that you're downloading gay porn at a rate of 700M 2018-01-29T22:20:49 < ReadErr> that would melt ur modem, kiddo 2018-01-29T22:24:13 < kakimir> ReadErr, bad biasing on your line 2018-01-29T22:24:43 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-29T22:25:02 < ReadErr> maybe the other server cant push packets hard enough 2018-01-29T22:25:55 < polymorph> BrainDamage: no thanks, i won't thermocouple unless i need >660°C measurement, PT100 is fine having a bath in molten aluminium 2018-01-29T22:32:42 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T22:32:42 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-29T22:32:42 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T22:33:56 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T22:45:41 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2018-01-29T22:45:57 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T22:47:55 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T22:49:42 < karlp> poly always with the "here's an alternative metthod that's more work, but feasible" 2018-01-29T22:49:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-29T22:50:28 < invzim> zyp: about? Which supplier do you use for st parts to NO? 2018-01-29T22:52:48 < zyp> whatever is cheap/convenient 2018-01-29T22:52:56 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman 2018-01-29T22:53:27 < zyp> last I bought from regular distributors, mouser tended to be cheaper than digikey, but that was a few years ago 2018-01-29T22:53:45 < upgrdman> in the usa, mouser is usually cheaper than digikey 2018-01-29T22:54:00 < upgrdman> not by a lot, but its noticeable 2018-01-29T22:54:13 < upgrdman> if only mouser had a better selection 2018-01-29T22:54:35 < tct_> mouser is awesome 2018-01-29T22:54:39 < tct_> I almost exclusively use mouser 2018-01-29T22:54:51 < tct_> digikey only for the parts that mouser doesn't carry, but that aren't many in my case 2018-01-29T22:59:31 -!- bfrog [~tburdick@unaffiliated/submersive] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T22:59:54 < bfrog> stm32cube makefile is broken it seems by default, easily fixed but still... 2018-01-29T23:00:13 < bfrog> there's duplicate SRC entries for many of the Src/*.c files 2018-01-29T23:00:29 < bfrog> is there a issue tracker for it? 2018-01-29T23:03:37 < invzim> zyp: roger 2018-01-29T23:09:18 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T23:09:48 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-29T23:42:51 < karlp> englishman: boring' co's flamethrowr is still cooler looking, if you're prentedngin you're a FPS player sort of thing 2018-01-29T23:43:01 < karlp> sure, the one you linked _works_ just as well :) 2018-01-29T23:43:09 < karlp> didn't know they were that cheap actually. 2018-01-29T23:43:13 < karlp> should try and get one for my fiance 2018-01-29T23:55:57 -!- zzattack` [~frank@ip54508a6a.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-29T23:56:31 < zyp> looks more like a blowtorch than a flamethrower to me 2018-01-29T23:56:38 < zyp> the boring co one 2018-01-29T23:56:56 -!- zzattack [~frank@unaffiliated/zzattack] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-29T23:58:28 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-29T23:59:36 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Jan 30 2018 2018-01-30T00:00:13 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T00:08:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-cdb9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T00:11:49 < karlp> aandrew: re sch review, "POPULATE C17/C18 FOR ANALOG" what does that mean? are thhose the right refdes still? 2018-01-30T00:12:04 < karlp> and why both the tas2552 _and_ the pam8303d? 2018-01-30T00:18:43 < karlp> ash7k seems expensive, is that normal for actual "oscillators" rather than crystals? I've never looked 2018-01-30T00:19:09 < karlp> what's the game with thhat "rgbled" thing? nnonrmally green, optionall orange or something? 2018-01-30T00:23:46 < karlp> huh, is ext eeprom _required_ for the ft2232 or are you just being safe? 2018-01-30T00:29:30 < karlp> I guess from the embedded ft2232 you might just be evaluatingn the two amp ics? 2018-01-30T00:31:30 < karlp> what are you doing with that TPD4E001? you only need to connect two pins, it's a four channel device 2018-01-30T00:31:54 < karlp> or are you just "twice the protection!" 2018-01-30T00:37:21 < karlp> what's with all of DI/DO/A/B stuff on the side, is that just redacted? 2018-01-30T00:38:01 < karlp> well, that was fun to peruse at least :) 2018-01-30T01:33:46 < upgrdman> algorithm pros: to sort points, a k-d tree is useful. what about line segments? for 2D segments, im tempted to make a 2D array and just populate any "boxes" the line segment would cross. 2018-01-30T01:34:28 < upgrdman> (i want to test an ass load of line segments to see if any intersect) 2018-01-30T01:36:01 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T01:37:39 < upgrdman> oh found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley%E2%80%93Ottmann_algorithm 2018-01-30T01:38:06 -!- phr3ak [~noreply@gnet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-30T01:45:43 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: karlp, markus-k, talsit, hexo_, Adluc 2018-01-30T01:46:59 -!- phr3ak [~noreply@gnet.hu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T01:50:25 -!- bfrog [~tburdick@unaffiliated/submersive] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T01:51:09 -!- markus-k [~markus@server01.comtime-it.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T01:51:09 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T01:51:09 -!- karlp [~karlp@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T01:51:09 -!- Adluc [Adluc@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T01:51:09 -!- hexo_ [hexo@base48.cz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T01:52:47 < aandrew> karlp: the refdes are probably wrong now 2018-01-30T01:52:59 < aandrew> both amps are there to test performance of each and see if the tas2552 is worth the money or not 2018-01-30T01:53:19 < aandrew> and yeah ash7k is just one picked that I had handy 2018-01-30T01:53:27 < aandrew> rgbled is data pin for ws2812 2018-01-30T01:53:48 < aandrew> karlp: I have tons of tpd4es, I just double up the pins since they're othewise unused 2018-01-30T01:53:55 < aandrew> ext eeprom is just for playing 2018-01-30T01:54:15 < aandrew> dioa, diob are uarts to sister modules when connected 2018-01-30T01:54:22 < aandrew> I appreciate teh review, thank you 2018-01-30T02:01:23 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2018-01-30T02:03:35 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-30T02:06:02 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T02:06:29 < karlp> aandrew: what's with the dual fets on the data line to the ws2812 then? 3v3 to 5v? 2018-01-30T02:06:42 < aandrew> yes 2018-01-30T02:07:19 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-30T02:10:32 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T02:10:32 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-30T02:10:32 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T02:14:47 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza] 2018-01-30T02:16:03 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T02:33:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-30T02:57:59 < aandrew> karlp: do you have a cheap 32khz osc you're happy with? 2018-01-30T03:09:26 < R0b0t1> sort by price? 2018-01-30T03:10:09 < R0b0t1> it might be a good idea to get the higher tolerance ones that are offered, because the loose tolerance ones can be *really* loose 2018-01-30T03:25:25 < dongs> er 2018-01-30T03:25:55 < dongs> osc? as in powered w/square output? 2018-01-30T03:28:43 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/OMO85 2018-01-30T03:28:46 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/fc-135-and-fc-135r-series/4743 this shit is super cheap in china 2018-01-30T03:29:33 < dongs> well, cheap, donno about super cheap. wtf @ .40 @ 10k pricing on digiJEW 2018-01-30T03:35:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T03:56:03 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T04:04:49 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T04:05:06 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T04:14:28 < aandrew> R0b0t1: yeah I think the tx wants 10ppm 2018-01-30T04:20:22 < jadew> this last windows update sucks 2018-01-30T04:20:55 < jadew> I have 31% cpu utilization, most of the time is kernel time 2018-01-30T04:21:26 < jadew> oh, it's the fucking compatibility telemetry shit 2018-01-30T04:21:52 < jadew> hmm, wasn't that 2018-01-30T04:26:02 < upgrdman> nice time you're in south korea: https://gfycat.com/UnsteadyFatDog 2018-01-30T04:32:37 < upgrdman> s/nice/next 2018-01-30T04:38:52 < aandrew> huh 2018-01-30T04:39:06 < aandrew> this silabs part cannot use its internal xtal osc if you are using digital audio 2018-01-30T04:42:18 < upgrdman> englishman, does your kitty do this? https://i.imgur.com/1luI97R.gifv 2018-01-30T04:47:29 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T04:51:23 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T04:51:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T05:01:49 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-30T05:07:31 < aandrew> hahahaha 2018-01-30T05:08:48 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T05:16:17 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/esp32fm.pdf and http://mixdown.ca/dump/esp32fm-rx.pdf. I think I'm ready for BOM and layout now, although layout means I need a bunch of footprints made :-/ 2018-01-30T05:21:40 < dongs> http://store.steampowered.com/app/755550/True_Mining_Simulator/ lmao 2018-01-30T05:44:54 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T05:52:47 <@englishman> upgrdman no but she chases the clothes as they go around the washer 2018-01-30T05:53:46 < upgrdman> lol 2018-01-30T06:00:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T06:08:25 < dongs> http://www.12news.com/mobile/article/news/local/arizona/satanic-temple-adopts-arizona-highway/75-512200722 found R2COMs house 2018-01-30T06:24:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T06:25:01 < dongs> its gonna look as bad as you can make it i guess 2018-01-30T06:42:37 < dongs> no i have my own display.c that im updating as I need to implement stuff. 2018-01-30T06:43:18 < dongs> i have a hal-like thing for it so that I can build it on various STm32 families as well as SDL emulator 2018-01-30T06:47:31 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2018-01-30T06:54:08 -!- bfrog [~tburdick@unaffiliated/submersive] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T07:04:18 -!- bfrog [~tburdick@unaffiliated/submersive] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T07:09:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-30T07:32:13 < dongs> nice 2018-01-30T07:32:36 < dongs> i bet i could sell my uguufx clone for at least $5k 2018-01-30T07:33:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T07:34:14 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T07:35:00 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T07:38:10 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T07:38:15 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-30T07:45:18 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T08:00:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2018-01-30T08:03:13 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T08:17:29 < ReadErr> https://web.archive.org/web/20180129064125/http://www.templeos.org/Videos/Pope/Pope6.mp4 2018-01-30T08:23:15 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T08:29:48 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T08:32:02 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T08:33:57 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-30T08:35:00 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T08:46:53 < dongs> why the fuck would DWT_CYCCNT stop after reset? 2018-01-30T08:52:14 < polymorph> yo 2018-01-30T08:57:14 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyyy95wy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-30T08:58:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-cdb9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T08:59:00 < zyp> dongs, because the DWT block also get reset? 2018-01-30T09:00:12 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T09:01:46 < dongs> why? 2018-01-30T09:02:00 < dongs> zyp, this is on reset after flashing 2018-01-30T09:02:07 < dongs> cyccnt stops counting after ~200k cycles 2018-01-30T09:02:13 < dongs> i cant figure out why 2018-01-30T09:02:20 < dongs> power on reset, no problem 2018-01-30T09:02:26 < dongs> reset under debugger + run , no problem 2018-01-30T09:02:30 < dongs> flash + reset to run = stops 2018-01-30T09:02:32 < dongs> da fuq 2018-01-30T09:02:55 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T09:06:11 < dongs> systick is running 2018-01-30T09:06:13 < dongs> at correct rate, too 2018-01-30T09:10:05 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-65-86.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T09:12:52 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T09:14:26 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-14-64.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T09:19:04 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T09:20:27 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T09:20:56 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T09:22:21 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T09:28:28 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2018-01-30T09:28:35 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T09:34:32 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T09:34:43 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T09:37:32 -!- jadew [~razvan@5-12-14-64.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: exit] 2018-01-30T09:41:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-cdb9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-30T10:10:58 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T10:12:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T10:12:50 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T10:23:56 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T10:43:08 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T10:49:32 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@tmo-100-241.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T10:50:18 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T10:54:04 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T11:17:48 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T11:27:44 < stvn> TESTING 2018-01-30T11:31:57 -!- Drzacek [~Drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T11:32:17 < Drzacek> Hello 2018-01-30T11:33:42 < Drzacek> I'm having trouble with CAN on stm32f103. I was using cubemx to generate code, then added some stuff to it, but it doesn't seem like it is working. I don't have debugger so I rely only on serial console 2018-01-30T11:34:05 < Drzacek> But it looks to me like cubemx doesn't generate code for setting GPIOs for CAN 2018-01-30T11:36:02 < Drzacek> So should I add that manually (how?), or it is hidden somewhere in the code and actually works as intended? 2018-01-30T11:36:06 < dongs> do you have USB enabled 2018-01-30T11:36:14 < kakimir> so the small cortex pin row is as big as 1,27mm? 2018-01-30T11:38:26 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@tmo-100-241.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T11:39:39 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T11:40:02 < Drzacek> dongs, no, only CAN and USART1 2018-01-30T11:43:22 < Drzacek> this is my main() http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a7c24a19/ and gpio init http://paste.debian.net/1007946/ 2018-01-30T11:43:34 < Drzacek> it seems kinda empty 2018-01-30T11:45:30 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T11:48:26 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=12m26s] 2018-01-30T11:48:56 < karlp> aandrew: no idea sorry (re oscillators) I've never used them, just crystals, I don't evne know if that's a normal price :) 2018-01-30T11:50:20 < karlp> aandrew: the -rx.pdf is 403 forbidden for me 2018-01-30T11:50:45 < Drzacek> nvmind, found it in HAL_CAN_MspInit() 2018-01-30T12:09:54 < ReadErr> dongs: 2018-01-30T12:09:57 < ReadErr> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vegetable-based-cryptocurrency-prodeum-scams-users-out-millions-leaves-behind-word-penis-1657048 2018-01-30T12:14:09 < sync> nice 2018-01-30T12:25:25 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T12:27:10 < stvn> igbt help 2018-01-30T12:28:33 < Emil> ReadErr: hahahhaahahaah 2018-01-30T12:28:36 < Emil> entirely expected 2018-01-30T12:29:00 < Emil> and so they also scammed a bunch of hippies and vegans in the process too." 2018-01-30T12:29:04 < Emil> I like that 2018-01-30T12:31:49 < ReadErr> https://warosu.org/biz/thread/S6987087 2018-01-30T12:31:52 < ReadErr> lol 2018-01-30T12:34:22 < stvn> ? 2018-01-30T12:57:14 < karlp> aandrew: do you see a substantial improvement in reliability with the ws2812 with 5v singals instead of 3.3v? 2018-01-30T12:57:57 < Drzacek> hmm looks like the receive interrupt function is never called 2018-01-30T12:59:58 < Emil> karlp: 3.3v is out of the spec 2018-01-30T13:00:05 < Emil> iirc 2018-01-30T13:00:32 < Emil> oh no 2018-01-30T13:00:34 < Emil> it's in spec 2018-01-30T13:00:39 < Emil> if you drive at 3.3v 2018-01-30T13:15:10 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T13:26:52 < Lux> no 3.3v is out of spec 2018-01-30T13:27:02 < Lux> or at least very close 2018-01-30T13:27:10 < Emil> Lux: I just read the datashetet 2018-01-30T13:27:54 < Emil> VDD is 3.5 .. 5.3 2018-01-30T13:28:39 < Emil> and Vih is 0.7VDD min 2018-01-30T13:30:46 < Lux> and 5.3 times 0.7 is 3.7 2018-01-30T13:31:15 < Lux> i guess it should be the actual vcc rather than vccmin 2018-01-30T13:33:02 < Emil> Lux: drive at a lower voltage 2018-01-30T13:33:34 < Lux> you drive those at 5v ;) 2018-01-30T13:33:40 < Lux> still out of spec 2018-01-30T13:33:50 < Emil> No 2018-01-30T13:33:53 < Emil> You didn't listen 2018-01-30T13:34:04 < Emil> ws2812bs can be driven at 3.5 to 5.3 volts 2018-01-30T13:34:20 < Emil> And Vih is at least 0.7 times that range 2018-01-30T13:35:25 < Emil> The vcc can be 3.5 to 5.3 volts for nominal operation. Just because you often drive them at 5V means nothing. 2018-01-30T13:36:15 < dongs> zyp, any idea lol, im out of excuses why it might happen 2018-01-30T13:36:32 < dongs> i could only blame some jjlink shit maybe 2018-01-30T13:36:33 < dongs> or keil 2018-01-30T13:36:43 < karlp> what's your deal again? dwt_cyccnt stops counting some time after reset? 2018-01-30T13:37:15 < Lux> Emil: under absolute maximum ratings hmm 2018-01-30T13:37:24 < dongs> after flashing fw and resetting to run, and only then, cyccnt will stop shortly. 2018-01-30T13:37:31 < dongs> power on reset = runs 2018-01-30T13:37:35 < dongs> under debugger= runs 2018-01-30T13:38:25 * karlp backs away slowly and tries not to be seen 2018-01-30T13:38:32 < dongs> right 2018-01-30T13:39:11 < karlp> is it possible that it doesn't actualyl start in that reset to run, and it' "short" counter is just from while it was flashing? 2018-01-30T13:39:24 < karlp> I presume the flash loader stub is using a downloaded helper, which will run some cycles. 2018-01-30T13:39:41 < dongs> the reason i found this was cuz my shit would lock up running after flash, right 2018-01-30T13:39:42 < karlp> so something int he reset to run is simply not turning it on properly? 2018-01-30T13:39:46 < dongs> tracked it down to my delay() thing 2018-01-30T13:39:48 < dongs> which uses cyccnt 2018-01-30T13:39:57 < dongs> so I added a (overflow++ in there and a printf 2018-01-30T13:40:02 < dongs> when it couldnt match duration for x number of loops 2018-01-30T13:40:10 < dongs> in there, i printed cyccnt which is stopped. 2018-01-30T13:40:22 < dongs> i even tried to enable debug access back up and re-start it etc. 2018-01-30T13:40:23 < dongs> nothing. 2018-01-30T13:40:29 < Emil> Lux: well, you can shorten the range to lets say 4v to 5v. 2018-01-30T13:40:33 < dongs> everythign runs normal except cyccnt. 2018-01-30T13:40:39 < Emil> Still 3.3v would be in spec if driven at 4v 2018-01-30T13:40:54 < dongs> im pretty much ready to blame this on some keil obscurity 2018-01-30T13:41:34 < kakimir> what is the difference between QFN32EP1 7x7 and HVQFN33 7x7? 2018-01-30T13:41:52 < karlp> soudns like different vendors? 2018-01-30T13:41:53 < dongs> one will take 220V AC between any pin 2018-01-30T13:41:59 < dongs> guess which one! 2018-01-30T13:42:05 < kakimir> I have apparently used QFN32EP1 7x7 0,65mm footpads to fit lpc1111 2018-01-30T13:42:26 < karlp> 220V is still LV ;) 2018-01-30T13:42:51 < kakimir> I see there is more than half of millimeter wider copper pad in the middle 2018-01-30T13:45:11 < kakimir> fuu 2018-01-30T13:45:27 < kakimir> I need to make a footprind blah 2018-01-30T13:45:39 < dongs> sorry for your lots 2018-01-30T13:46:09 < kakimir> lots of lots 2018-01-30T13:47:35 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T13:49:13 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T13:50:30 < tomeaton17> Reading the spec sheet the f042f6 is capable of uart1 baud rate of up to 6Mbit/s but in cubemx I am told its maximum is 3Mbit/s. Is it a clock configuration problem? The clock used for usart is 48MHz the maximum the chip can handle so I am confused. 2018-01-30T13:51:10 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T13:51:31 < kakimir> is it maximum of the chip or maximum in case usb is used? 2018-01-30T13:51:56 < kakimir> in some lpc chips you need to run clock slower to match with usb periph 2018-01-30T13:52:29 < kakimir> spec sheet is most likelly the correct information 2018-01-30T13:52:42 < kakimir> is it baud rate or throughtput? 2018-01-30T13:53:14 < kakimir> cubemx is too lazy to put your periph clocks into overdrive most likelly because special conditions or so 2018-01-30T13:53:34 < kakimir> if it says throughtput it would explain it too 2018-01-30T13:53:48 < tomeaton17> Okay, it says "which communicate at speeds of up to 6Mbits/s." 2018-01-30T13:53:57 < kakimir> wow 2018-01-30T13:54:04 < kakimir> how vague 2018-01-30T13:54:27 < kakimir> this is the case usually 2018-01-30T13:54:38 < polymorph> hey 2018-01-30T13:54:51 < tomeaton17> well I might aswell give it ago on the chip and see what happens 2018-01-30T13:55:07 < kakimir> tomeaton17, maybe it's for rs485 or so? 2018-01-30T13:55:16 < kakimir> or other type of protocol it can do 2018-01-30T13:58:16 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T13:58:23 < tomeaton17> kakimir: from this https://i.imgur.com/79qLUb2.png it looks possible 2018-01-30T13:58:29 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T13:58:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T13:59:00 < kakimir> put it in overdrive 2018-01-30T13:59:05 < karlp> I'd trust the datasheet way more than what timecube generated 2018-01-30T13:59:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T14:00:34 < zyp> dongs, I figure debugger might be using dwt and fucking up software use of it 2018-01-30T14:00:40 < zyp> no better ideas 2018-01-30T14:02:30 < karlp> tomeaton17: so, did you switch from 16x oversampling down to 8x? 2018-01-30T14:03:12 < tomeaton17> karlp: I am doing that now 2018-01-30T14:04:58 < kakimir> shiet you need to be carefull with markings like 7mm x 7mm x 0,85mm 2018-01-30T14:05:16 < kakimir> or 5mm x 5mm x 0,5mm 2018-01-30T14:05:20 < kakimir> in case of mcus 2018-01-30T14:05:40 < kakimir> not to assume pin pitch from that reading but look at the drawing numbers every time 2018-01-30T14:06:02 < kakimir> no harm done but just realized my assumption was wrong 2018-01-30T14:06:13 < kakimir> for a short time 2018-01-30T14:08:07 < kakimir> *sigh* the land pattern sucks 2018-01-30T14:08:17 < kakimir> it has vias and paste areas and all 2018-01-30T14:13:57 < kakimir> what does CU mean after mm reading? 2018-01-30T14:14:13 < kakimir> copper? 2018-01-30T14:14:26 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-30T14:14:58 < tomeaton17> ugh the software that i use for serial doesn't support 6M baudrate but it seems to be okay 2018-01-30T14:15:11 < karlp> you're going to find that a lot when you try and use serial bauds that fast 2018-01-30T14:15:41 < tomeaton17> yeah, I am using boost asio, so need to use some weird ioctl stuff to get custom baud rates 2018-01-30T14:15:52 < karlp> if they work at all. 2018-01-30T14:16:13 < karlp> you know how you couldn't get it configured at all in cubex? 2018-01-30T14:16:15 < karlp> you're not alone, 2018-01-30T14:16:25 < karlp> lots of other hardware will have the same limitations 2018-01-30T14:16:49 < zyp> heh 2018-01-30T14:17:51 < zyp> uarts generally does 16x oversampling, which means that for a 6M baudrate, it'll run from a 96 MHz baudrate from the prescaler 2018-01-30T14:18:04 < zyp> which means that the input to the prescaler needs to be a multiple of 96MHz 2018-01-30T14:19:29 < tomeaton17> I had to set it to 8x oversampling 2018-01-30T14:19:59 < zyp> problem is still the same, except with 48MHz instead 2018-01-30T14:20:35 < zyp> and 8x oversampling will be less forgiving 2018-01-30T14:21:37 < karlp> nah, let them complain about reliability next week. 2018-01-30T14:21:46 < karlp> what are you actually doing that you want this for? 2018-01-30T14:22:42 < tomeaton17> I need to transfer data from a device v quickly as the updated data is needed for the control loop of a quadcopter 2018-01-30T14:23:02 < karlp> have you heard of spi before? 2018-01-30T14:23:45 < zyp> if you're communicating between a stm32 and some sort of linux device, I'd use USB 2018-01-30T14:24:03 < tomeaton17> yes, i am planning to implement spi into the next revision of my board 2018-01-30T14:24:05 < karlp> or that, yes. 2018-01-30T14:24:17 < zyp> USB will give you reliable updates at 1khz 2018-01-30T14:24:32 < zyp> packet rate, that is 2018-01-30T14:25:19 < tomeaton17> usb is a problem as there are limited usb ports on the quadcopter and there are quite alot of these devices 2018-01-30T14:25:57 < zyp> and how many 6 Mbaud uarts do you have? 2018-01-30T14:26:53 < tomeaton17> at the moment 8, with two ft4232h to interface with the computer 2018-01-30T14:27:17 < zyp> if you use a HS port on the host and a USB hub with per-port TTs, you'll have 12 Mb/s available per device 2018-01-30T14:28:17 < tomeaton17> okay, but that would require an 8port usb hub 2018-01-30T14:28:37 < zyp> or two four-port usb hubs 2018-01-30T14:29:45 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-30T14:30:53 < tomeaton17> yeah. if the hubs are low power its a possibility, but finding space on the quad may be difficult 2018-01-30T14:31:45 < zyp> a four port hub chip shouldn't be any larger than a ft4232h 2018-01-30T14:33:08 < tomeaton17> Sounds good then. Longest part will probably be development as I have never worked with usb before. One of the main reasons why I went for uart is its simple. 2018-01-30T14:36:11 < Drzacek> Any reason why a receive interrupt wouldn't fire? I think I set everything up for CAN, but it looks like the interrupt for CAN Rx is never called. Does it need to be activated somehow? 2018-01-30T14:45:45 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQ5Datakbo space cowboy music 2018-01-30T15:06:40 < zyp> Drzacek, all interrupts must be enabled in NVIC in addition to in the peripheral 2018-01-30T15:06:51 < Drzacek> zyp, true 2018-01-30T15:07:06 < Drzacek> it seems I have a problem with rearming the interrupt after it comes one time 2018-01-30T15:07:24 < zyp> how does your code look? 2018-01-30T15:10:08 < Drzacek> http://paste.debian.net/1007985/ 2018-01-30T15:10:30 < Drzacek> it seems like it dies in the middle of HAL_CAN_Receive_IT() 2018-01-30T15:17:24 < zyp> uh 2018-01-30T15:17:42 < zyp> why are you calling that function from both main and the callback? does that make sense? 2018-01-30T15:18:46 < Drzacek> it gets called once in the begining 2018-01-30T15:18:51 < Drzacek> also, it was in the example 2018-01-30T15:19:23 < zyp> okay, fair enough 2018-01-30T15:19:33 < zyp> I don't know the lib you're using, so I can't help with that 2018-01-30T15:19:53 < Drzacek> what do you use then? 2018-01-30T15:20:12 < Drzacek> Cause I just started playing with stm32 and already got enough, mostly because of that cube things. 2018-01-30T15:20:57 < zyp> I wrote my own, but I don't necessarily recommend doing that 2018-01-30T15:21:34 < zyp> if you want something that works, you could take a look at libopencm3 2018-01-30T15:25:27 < Drzacek> thanks, gonna take a look 2018-01-30T15:35:09 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T15:43:19 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T15:45:00 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T15:49:55 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T15:50:23 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T15:52:07 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@tmo-101-42.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T15:52:33 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T15:54:58 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@tmo-101-42.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T15:59:04 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T16:00:03 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T16:06:17 -!- Drzacek [~Drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-30T16:24:31 < Thorn> GovSat-1 Launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScYUA51-POQ 2018-01-30T16:25:10 < Thorn> https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/01/30/falcon-9-govsat-1-mission-status-center/ 2018-01-30T16:32:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T16:44:34 <@englishman> good morning fellow professionals 2018-01-30T16:44:55 < BrainDamage> professional irc shiposter 2018-01-30T16:45:02 < BrainDamage> shitposter 2018-01-30T16:48:01 <@Steffanx> Where? 2018-01-30T16:48:50 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BeiAvjqhD1U/ 2018-01-30T16:49:05 < aandrew> karlp: -rx works now, I keep forgetting to change the perms after uploading 2018-01-30T16:49:25 <@englishman> thank you Thorn 2018-01-30T16:50:37 < aandrew> hey englishman 2018-01-30T16:50:40 < aandrew> what's new 2018-01-30T16:50:43 <@englishman> not much 2018-01-30T16:50:57 <@englishman> i bought some esp32 devboards to see what all the hullaballoo is about 2018-01-30T16:51:32 <@englishman> waiting on a customer to pay his bill so i can buy a yacht and retire to switzerland 2018-01-30T16:51:32 < zyp> how's esp32? 2018-01-30T16:52:01 < aandrew> it's ok, not super eager to be involved in it but if there's money to be made I'll be there 2018-01-30T16:53:49 < BrainDamage> a yacht in switzerland wouldn't be particularly useful 2018-01-30T16:54:40 <@englishman> you're thinking like a poor person 2018-01-30T16:54:52 <@englishman> the yacht can easily be helicoptered over to the med 2018-01-30T16:55:09 < aandrew> lol @ thinking like a poor person 2018-01-30T16:55:11 < aandrew> but that's very true 2018-01-30T16:55:31 < aandrew> it's not the utility in something that gives it value, it's what how well you can leverage it 2018-01-30T16:55:39 < BrainDamage> the ones i saw weren't helicoptered, just moved with trucks 2018-01-30T16:55:50 < BrainDamage> so i question that easily 2018-01-30T16:56:09 < aandrew> englishman: http://mixdown.ca/dump/esp32fm.pdf and http://mixdown.ca/dump/esp32fm-rx.pdf, not sure if you're interested 2018-01-30T16:56:33 <@englishman> what is it, though 2018-01-30T16:57:02 < Thorn> does anyone have experience with mesh routing etc.? I basically want my nodes to relay messages to/from one another if there is no direct visibility between the controller and a node 2018-01-30T16:57:03 < aandrew> esp32 for A2DP or internet radio, sends audio (analog or digital) to fm transmitter 2018-01-30T16:57:05 < karlp> aandrew: so, the adc on the esp32 is good enough for you to do this? 2018-01-30T16:57:15 < aandrew> karlp: it's an experiment 2018-01-30T16:57:16 < karlp> and does it have two dacs? 2018-01-30T16:57:19 < Thorn> without using something expensive / proprietary 2018-01-30T16:57:20 < karlp> ok, thought it might have been :) 2018-01-30T16:57:31 <@englishman> thorn, im suppsoed to look at 6lowpan for this reason 2018-01-30T16:57:48 < Thorn> but it doesn't include routing afaik 2018-01-30T16:57:51 <@englishman> right 2018-01-30T16:58:06 <@englishman> but as it's a common use-case there should be something to accompany 2018-01-30T16:58:11 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.127.153.110] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T16:58:11 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@86.127.153.110] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-30T16:58:11 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T16:58:35 < Thorn> I haven't found anything that works last time I looked 2018-01-30T16:58:39 < karlp> RPL is probably the most known/working 2018-01-30T16:58:49 < karlp> I never had enough nodes to test it really 2018-01-30T16:58:52 < Thorn> also iirc it's shit because an IPv6 packet is fragmented into several frames and if any one frame is lost all of them have to be retransmitted 2018-01-30T16:59:19 < BrainDamage> if you can afford a full os stack, there's few vpn daemons with mesh routing 2018-01-30T16:59:44 < Thorn> low power cortex mcu only in my case 2018-01-30T16:59:57 < aandrew> but 12 bit, 6khz might be doable 2018-01-30T17:00:07 < aandrew> karlp: yes dual dac 2018-01-30T17:00:11 < aandrew> but those are only 8b 2018-01-30T17:00:18 < aandrew> which is also part of the experiment 2018-01-30T17:00:45 < karlp> soudns like fun. 2018-01-30T17:00:53 < BrainDamage> there's contiki, i looked at it few years ago, it had some experimental support for stm32 2018-01-30T17:00:54 < karlp> how fun was all the routing of the analog signals 2018-01-30T17:01:05 < BrainDamage> i wanted to look again after a while, but forgot 2018-01-30T17:01:09 < karlp> contiki is/was absolutely gross to work in though 2018-01-30T17:01:09 < BrainDamage> you could start with that 2018-01-30T17:01:16 < karlp> 200% academica 2018-01-30T17:04:54 < Thorn> I thought about having all nodes report all visible peers to the controller which will then build a graph and find paths in it but there's a bootstrapping problem (can probably be solved by broadcasting everything before the graph is built) 2018-01-30T17:06:30 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance-vector_routing_protocol 2018-01-30T17:06:46 < BrainDamage> if you're going with a custom solution, don't reinvent the cs at least 2018-01-30T17:08:05 <@englishman> IP+spanning tree stolen from cisco router source code 2018-01-30T17:18:04 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-30T17:20:56 < karlp> englishman: stp is layer 2. 2018-01-30T17:21:08 < karlp> also, standard, no need to steal it from anywwhere. 2018-01-30T17:21:43 < zyp> can still steal implementation 2018-01-30T17:22:05 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T17:23:10 < karlp> seems like there's simpler places to get the implementations from, 2018-01-30T17:28:33 < Thorn> lol iot conference live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWlaEAzigCY 2018-01-30T17:29:48 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T17:45:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T17:46:35 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc_On-Demand_Distance_Vector_Routing 2018-01-30T17:48:03 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@87-92-106-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T17:48:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2018-01-30T17:49:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T17:49:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T17:50:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-30T17:58:38 < c10ud> did any of you ever tried LoRa at > 500 byte/sec? 2018-01-30T17:59:13 < c10ud> notice: never tried lora, but I think I read somewhere it can reach around 700bytes/sec? 2018-01-30T18:00:02 < aandrew> boo, where's laurenceb 2018-01-30T18:00:03 < aandrew> https://http.cat/ 2018-01-30T18:00:13 <@englishman> lora can do 32kbps iirc 2018-01-30T18:00:25 <@englishman> or 36, something about that 2018-01-30T18:01:29 < c10ud> ah, nice 2018-01-30T18:01:32 < kakimir> englishman, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEYGIyGUEAAoG-x.jpg 2018-01-30T18:02:12 < c10ud> is that within specs or what? 2018-01-30T18:02:43 < c10ud> btw I guess that seals it, as I was just looking for sending gps rtk stuff over 2018-01-30T18:03:27 < c10ud> and 500bytes should be more than enough 2018-01-30T18:03:42 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T18:04:32 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2018-01-30T18:05:01 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T18:05:55 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2018-01-30T18:06:24 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T18:29:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-30T18:33:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T18:37:07 < jadew> what is that waveform on channel 2 telling you? http://5.12.14.64/screen/4P5ez.png 2018-01-30T18:38:42 < jadew> afk 2018-01-30T18:38:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T18:42:12 -!- tomeaton17 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 2018-01-30T18:43:53 < karlp> jadew: I dunno, you tell us? 2018-01-30T18:44:02 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-30T18:44:08 -!- tomeaton17 [~tomeaton1@129.ip-91-134-134.eu] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T18:49:34 < BrainDamage> it's called a squarewave 2018-01-30T18:49:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T18:57:08 < jadew> karlp, I don't know yet 2018-01-30T18:57:54 < jadew> trying to debug the most awkward issue ever 2018-01-30T18:59:11 < jadew> at this point I'm trying to figure out if the board is ok 2018-01-30T18:59:33 < jpa-> weak pull-up to 2V, something driving to 3.3V and 0V? 2018-01-30T19:00:12 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T19:01:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T19:01:28 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, but it's kinda weird, cuz it runs at 3.3V 2018-01-30T19:02:03 < jpa-> what's it supposed to have? 2018-01-30T19:02:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T19:03:01 < jadew> I don't know, I'm poking around right now 2018-01-30T19:03:04 < jadew> it should be floating 2018-01-30T19:03:16 < jpa-> so could be just leakage currents that bring it to 2V 2018-01-30T19:03:18 < jadew> it's one of the data lines on a SDRAM 2018-01-30T19:04:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T19:08:45 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-30T19:17:08 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-30T19:17:42 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T19:22:56 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T19:31:54 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-30T19:32:49 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-40-127.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T19:38:45 < aandrew> jadew: that's either a very fast pulse train or some nasty noise 2018-01-30T19:39:40 < aandrew> 50us/div, that must be like <2us pulses to appear that way 2018-01-30T19:54:58 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T19:56:47 < jadew> aandrew, channel two is the blue one 2018-01-30T19:57:02 < jadew> anyway, I gave up on this until tomorrow 2018-01-30T19:57:18 < jadew> I've been at it for a week+ 2018-01-30T19:57:33 < aandrew> jadew: what's wrong with that waveform 2018-01-30T19:57:43 < aandrew> looks like hiz, low, high, low, high, hiz 2018-01-30T19:58:35 < aandrew> and yeah, sorry, reading fail on the ch1/ch2 thing 2018-01-30T20:03:14 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, I thought it was weird that it settled at less than 3.3 V, but other than that it looks as expected 2018-01-30T20:03:30 < BrainDamage> why weird 2018-01-30T20:03:49 < BrainDamage> it can settle at any value, it's just random induction 2018-01-30T20:03:54 < aandrew> the level it floats to depends entirely on what's on that line. if you're concerned put a 10k pullup on it and call it a day 2018-01-30T20:04:01 < jadew> BrainDamage, because everything is powered from 3.3 V and it's neither 3.3, nor 0 and it's not floating either 2018-01-30T20:04:37 < BrainDamage> ok, if it's not floating that means there's either a bus contention or the drive pull is too weak 2018-01-30T20:04:37 < jadew> don't know, it seems it's already being pulled to that level, there's lots of noise around that would otherwise influence it 2018-01-30T20:04:59 < aandrew> jadew: all the pins have some capacitance, all the pins can have some DC leakage as well. because it's all loosey-goosey means it can settle more or less anywhere and also settle to different values depending on the last state of the drivers on the line and how long they were driving 2018-01-30T20:05:36 < aandrew> jadew: also if your ground lead isn't a spring pin right beside the signal pin you're likely picking up shit from *anywhere* on the system and increasing that noise 2018-01-30T20:05:47 < aandrew> throw on the 20MHz filter on the scope and see an instant reduction in that noise 2018-01-30T20:06:22 < jadew> aandrew, I'm not concerned about the noise 2018-01-30T20:07:23 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@dhcp78-65.hiz-saarland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T20:07:35 < jadew> that's being picked up by the probe mostly 2018-01-30T20:09:45 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T20:17:54 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@dhcp78-65.hiz-saarland.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-30T20:18:17 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@dhcp78-65.hiz-saarland.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T20:40:33 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T20:43:16 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T20:44:55 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-30T20:45:46 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T20:47:07 -!- bfrog [~tburdick@unaffiliated/submersive] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T20:56:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T21:00:03 < kakimir> what is the best "gopro formfactor" camera atm.? 2018-01-30T21:00:30 < kakimir> image quality + stability of recording functionality 2018-01-30T21:05:31 <@englishman> fucking arrow 2018-01-30T21:05:32 <@englishman> fuck arrow 2018-01-30T21:05:32 < kakimir> someone claimed that xiaomi would have model that beats gopro itself 2018-01-30T21:05:49 < kakimir> don't fucking fuck arrow 2018-01-30T21:06:04 < kakimir> they always fuck 2018-01-30T21:06:04 < bfrog> I hear someone else bitching about arrow the other day 2018-01-30T21:06:18 < BrainDamage> impossibru 2018-01-30T21:06:26 < kakimir> why to order from arrow in first place 2018-01-30T21:06:44 < bfrog> yeah, all about those digikey orders and mega catalog dumps 2018-01-30T21:06:49 < bfrog> endless toilet paper replacement 2018-01-30T21:06:52 < BrainDamage> at this point it's either masochism or he just enjoys to complain 2018-01-30T21:07:14 < kakimir> when productive work becomes third 2018-01-30T21:07:23 < kakimir> after irc and masochism 2018-01-30T21:08:06 <@Steffanx> Welcome. 2018-01-30T21:09:11 < Thorn> this is /topic worthy 2018-01-30T21:10:28 <@Steffanx> Soon englishman will have his Steffanx care package, so than he can eat a waffle instead of complain. 2018-01-30T21:10:38 <@Steffanx> Sugar overdose. 2018-01-30T21:12:11 < kakimir> I just ate a box of chockalate 2018-01-30T21:13:55 <@englishman> really??? 2018-01-30T21:13:58 <@englishman> stefs is so kind 2018-01-30T21:16:23 <@Steffanx> Still have to ship, can do that thursday 2018-01-30T21:16:42 <@englishman> arrow invoice: 2018-01-30T21:16:45 <@englishman> parts - $2.46 2018-01-30T21:16:49 <@englishman> tax - $17.91 2018-01-30T21:16:53 <@englishman> total - $23.42 2018-01-30T21:17:07 <@Steffanx> Lol? 2018-01-30T21:24:46 < sync> pro 2018-01-30T21:26:18 < kakimir> do you ever have those moments "shit I'm stupid" 2018-01-30T21:27:06 < kakimir> when you realize you have been doing something wrong way for a while 2018-01-30T21:37:31 < PaulFertser> kakimir: I've only recently found out I've been using what was effectively "granny knot" to tie my shoelaces :/ 2018-01-30T21:38:29 < BrainDamage> cool guys use velcro straps 2018-01-30T21:38:50 < PaulFertser> Boots rarely have velcro 2018-01-30T21:39:04 < BrainDamage> http://www.billbird.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/returning-velcro-strap-shoes/Double%20strap%20trainer%20style%20shoe%20with%20velcro%20stays.jpg 2018-01-30T21:39:41 < PaulFertser> That's shoes. No good for even moderately deep snow and mud. 2018-01-30T21:39:54 < BrainDamage> I'm not serious 2018-01-30T21:40:26 <@englishman> cool guys use the surgeon's knot 2018-01-30T21:40:39 < BrainDamage> too much effort 2018-01-30T21:40:50 < BrainDamage> the extra turns are wasted precious life seconds 2018-01-30T21:40:59 <@englishman> time spent on being cool 2018-01-30T21:41:03 <@englishman> is not time wasted 2018-01-30T21:41:08 < PaulFertser> I'm using ian's way of tying what's basically reef knot with ears. 2018-01-30T21:41:35 < sync> cool guys have a zipper on the boots 2018-01-30T21:41:40 <@Steffanx> it just tie my shows, no clue what knot it is :D 2018-01-30T21:41:47 <@Steffanx> *shoes 2018-01-30T21:42:08 < PaulFertser> sync: s/guys/girls/ according to my experience. Also, their boots usually are not waterproof and not really warm enough. 2018-01-30T21:42:31 < sync> https://www.haix.de/media/image/2b/25/e6/50300254e49bdb83ee5_600x600.jpg PaulFertser 2018-01-30T21:42:52 < kakimir> PaulFertser, I have been carrying around my leather laptop bag like a fagger for a month and every time I open it I see that belt in plastic wrap inside it 2018-01-30T21:43:13 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: that's what I've been doing for ~30 years, and many times the laces got undone, and many times I was ripping them off because I tried to tighten more than necessary. All because granny knot instead of reef knot (which takes exactly same amount of effort). 2018-01-30T21:43:48 < kakimir> today I concidered buying backbag and if I had moneys I would have a backbag already 2018-01-30T21:44:38 < Thorn> Home Brewed Filament Extruder For 3D Printer https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4lExYUFHSPxhQJAlOKtS9-WjsKxAYJUo 2018-01-30T21:44:39 < kakimir> then I started thinking if there just was some solution to wear that laptop bag like human being 2018-01-30T21:44:49 < kakimir> jesus.. 2018-01-30T21:45:10 <@englishman> kakimir: https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-assault-pack/34400 2018-01-30T21:45:22 < kakimir> my mind is reving on neutral gear 2018-01-30T21:46:42 < kakimir> särmä = edge, sharp 2018-01-30T21:47:37 < kakimir> I don't want to look like I'm on holidays from the military englishman 2018-01-30T21:47:52 < kakimir> good deal though 2018-01-30T21:49:20 <@englishman> its nice 2018-01-30T21:49:32 <@englishman> and i have a little water bottle holder attached with the molle, on the side 2018-01-30T21:51:01 < kakimir> what to buy first - a sofa, a table - sit on edge of bed and work on table or a laundry machine? 2018-01-30T21:51:59 <@Steffanx> All at once 2018-01-30T21:52:18 < sync> ^ 2018-01-30T21:53:01 < kakimir> yes 2018-01-30T21:55:12 < BrainDamage> do you plan to host friends often? then get a sofa, do you plan to work at home? then table, laundry machine only if the closest laundromat is too far away 2018-01-30T21:55:35 < kakimir> laundromat is not a thing in funland 2018-01-30T21:56:07 < BrainDamage> you can still throw shit in a bucket with soapy water unless it's particularly dirty 2018-01-30T22:01:44 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-30T22:08:03 < kakimir> i read "you can still shit in the bucket" 2018-01-30T22:10:11 < BrainDamage> well, you could 2018-01-30T22:10:29 < BrainDamage> you guys are already backwards for not having laundromats 2018-01-30T22:10:48 < BrainDamage> maybe you could try steaming clothes in the sauna 2018-01-30T22:11:27 < kakimir> I don't have a sauna 2018-01-30T22:13:26 < kakimir> everybody have their own laundry machines 2018-01-30T22:13:52 < kakimir> studets use laundry room 2018-01-30T22:13:56 < zyp> buy laundry machine, put it by your bed, so you can sit on bed and use laundry machine as table 2018-01-30T22:14:07 < zyp> if you have friends over, they can sit on the laundry machine 2018-01-30T22:14:13 < zyp> everything covered 2018-01-30T22:15:05 < jpa-> laundromats are a thing here in finland 2018-01-30T22:15:38 < jpa-> but only in cities of course 2018-01-30T22:16:31 < jpa-> but just get everything second-hand and you can get sofa for free, table for 30e and laundry machine for 50e 2018-01-30T22:17:04 < zyp> or do yourself a favor and buy combined washer/dryer 2018-01-30T22:17:09 < upgrdman> laundry machine for 50e. that cant be good 2018-01-30T22:17:29 < jpa-> good in what way? 2018-01-30T22:17:34 < upgrdman> quality 2018-01-30T22:17:39 < jpa-> second-hand 2018-01-30T22:17:40 < upgrdman> or capacity 2018-01-30T22:17:46 < upgrdman> ya but still? 2018-01-30T22:17:57 < jpa-> good enough for a single persons laundry, surely 2018-01-30T22:18:07 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-30T22:18:26 < upgrdman> yes gooday 2018-01-30T22:18:35 < jpa-> https://www.tori.fi/keski-suomi/Candy_Smart_CTF_1005_pesukone_43916839.htm?ca=18&w=107 30e super high quality 2018-01-30T22:19:05 < PaulFertser> My laundry machine has a CVT belt, like some stupid 50cc scooter. 2018-01-30T22:19:45 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, i've been considering that also :P 2018-01-30T22:20:10 < zyp> I did, it's fucking awesome 2018-01-30T22:20:29 < kakimir> zyp, that is genious 2018-01-30T22:20:33 < upgrdman> those with small machines, do you wash every fucking day? 2018-01-30T22:20:39 < upgrdman> reminds me of the machines in china 2018-01-30T22:20:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-30T22:21:10 < upgrdman> in the usa we use big machines. i do laundry twice a month. could stretch it to every 3 weeks if i wanted to cut things close 2018-01-30T22:21:38 < jpa-> what is big in kilograms or some other unit? 2018-01-30T22:21:42 < upgrdman> i think my record is doing 13 loads of laundry :) 2018-01-30T22:22:13 < kakimir> if you want noicy bouncing a bit weird smelling washing machine you can get one for under 50 easily 2018-01-30T22:22:20 < jpa-> but i don't have drying space for a huge amount of clothes anyway so i'm more limited by that than the machine 2018-01-30T22:23:11 < zyp> I forgot drying space were a thing 2018-01-30T22:23:36 < upgrdman> jpa-, like this: https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/562161a165d006e97f33d491/master/pass/lg-twin-wash-laundry-machine01.jpg 2018-01-30T22:23:45 < upgrdman> although usually the washer is a top loader 2018-01-30T22:24:00 < jpa-> uh wut is the thing at the bottom? 2018-01-30T22:24:07 < upgrdman> fuck if i know 2018-01-30T22:24:09 < upgrdman> ignore that 2018-01-30T22:24:14 < upgrdman> but general size is like that 2018-01-30T22:24:29 < jpa-> doesn't look that different 2018-01-30T22:24:33 < jpa-> at most 2x 2018-01-30T22:24:39 < sync> I have a 7kg toploader 2018-01-30T22:24:43 < sync> works for me™ 2018-01-30T22:24:56 < upgrdman> big enough to shove a corpse into 2018-01-30T22:25:36 < sync> zyp: I have not had good experiences with the combo machines 2018-01-30T22:25:44 < sync> I just hang stuff in the attic to dry 2018-01-30T22:28:15 < BrainDamage> don't you guys have this kind of thing there? http://scaramuzzamodo.it/public/articoli/0082700.jpg 2018-01-30T22:28:22 < zyp> mine does 8kg wash/6kg dry 2018-01-30T22:28:37 < BrainDamage> it folds into small space and you can fit almost 5kg of load if you're careful 2018-01-30T22:29:00 < sync> sure but then it takes up space 2018-01-30T22:29:01 < jpa-> yeah, just one fill on a small machine 2018-01-30T22:29:09 < sync> and it takes longer than my attic 2018-01-30T22:29:26 < jpa-> we have one of those for the small clothes and also a bar + bunch of coathangers for shirts 2018-01-30T22:29:37 < jpa-> you must have super attic 2018-01-30T22:29:59 < sync> like 120m², yes 2018-01-30T22:30:15 < sync> and it is old, so lots of air flowing through it 2018-01-30T22:31:20 < upgrdman> i <3 using a dryer 2018-01-30T22:31:29 < upgrdman> making doing lots of laundry so much easier 2018-01-30T22:31:44 < upgrdman> not having to wait as long for shit to dry 2018-01-30T22:32:20 < upgrdman> also it seems like when air drying, clothes does not return to shape as well. stretches out a little. 2018-01-30T22:32:31 < upgrdman> i guess some might consider that a "feature" 2018-01-30T22:32:34 < zyp> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/media.markselectrical.co.uk/item-images/full/F14A8YD.jpg <- here's the shit I have 2018-01-30T22:32:40 < jpa-> zyp: to make best use of the capacity, always make sure you have 2kg of dirt on your clothes 2018-01-30T22:32:47 < zyp> :D 2018-01-30T22:33:48 < zyp> I also considered one of the new Miele machines with automatic detergent dispensing, but they didn't come in combo variants 2018-01-30T22:34:10 <@Steffanx> Didnt even know that was a thing 2018-01-30T22:34:13 <@Steffanx> A washer/dryer 2018-01-30T22:34:50 < zyp> they're not that uncommon 2018-01-30T22:35:12 <@Steffanx> never seen them in dutchland 2018-01-30T22:35:23 < zyp> takes half the place of having separate washer/dryer, and it's convenient not to have to move the clothes manually between them 2018-01-30T22:35:53 < jadew> you don't have to hang them out to dry afterwards? 2018-01-30T22:36:14 < jadew> I never had a dryer 2018-01-30T22:36:17 < zyp> can throw shit in and leave, without worrying about having to be back to get out wet laundry before it gets mouldy 2018-01-30T22:36:21 < jpa-> that's the point of dryer :P 2018-01-30T22:36:24 < zyp> jadew, that's the point :p 2018-01-30T22:36:41 <@Steffanx> Welcome. 2018-01-30T22:36:48 < jadew> interesting, I thought they'd still be a bit wet after it's done spinning them 2018-01-30T22:37:22 < zyp> I throw in my laundry, run the combined program, then when it's done I grab the laundry and dump it directly back in my dresser 2018-01-30T22:37:32 < jpa-> it dries with hot air, they're usually very dry afterwards (dryer than they'd be when hang-dried) 2018-01-30T22:37:42 < jadew> nice 2018-01-30T22:37:51 <@Steffanx> visualized regexes.. :D 2018-01-30T22:38:02 < kakimir> snus withdrawals 2018-01-30T22:38:09 < jpa-> atleast if the clothes can take it, the low-temperature drying usually doesn't work very well 2018-01-30T22:39:00 < zyp> jpa-, I solve that by not buying clothes that can't handle normal drying :p 2018-01-30T22:39:07 < jadew> superbia, that's harder to read than the regex 2018-01-30T22:39:32 < zyp> my wife refuses to use the dryer for anything but towels and bedding though 2018-01-30T22:39:37 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, easy for me also; but seems that many women's clothes are a bit delicate :P 2018-01-30T22:39:48 < zyp> but that's fine, she does her laundry, I do mine, so I don't care :p 2018-01-30T22:39:51 < jpa-> your gf has become a wife now? 2018-01-30T22:39:59 <@Steffanx> i read that too ^ 2018-01-30T22:40:01 <@Steffanx> :D 2018-01-30T22:40:04 < zyp> yeah, got married a couple of weeks ago 2018-01-30T22:40:08 <@Steffanx> \o/ 2018-01-30T22:40:09 < jadew> congrats 2018-01-30T22:40:10 < jpa-> nice :) 2018-01-30T22:40:15 < kakimir> my workplace has laundry machine / drier 2018-01-30T22:40:18 < zyp> thanks 2018-01-30T22:40:23 < jpa-> why wasn't ##stm32 invited to wedding?? 2018-01-30T22:40:28 < jpa-> .. wait, i understand 2018-01-30T22:40:30 < jadew> with a bit of patience you won't have to worry about laundry anymore :D 2018-01-30T22:40:34 <@Steffanx> it's a bit weird to take your dirty cloths to work right, kakimir? 2018-01-30T22:40:35 <@englishman> just buy new clothes every week 2018-01-30T22:40:36 < jpa-> you didn't want her to run away with Steffanx 2018-01-30T22:40:40 < BrainDamage> congrats 2018-01-30T22:40:50 <@Steffanx> or he didnt want here to get fat from waffles, jpa- 2018-01-30T22:40:52 <@englishman> sorry to hear that zyp 2018-01-30T22:40:55 < BrainDamage> i can imagine why one wouldn't want to invite ##stm32 in general 2018-01-30T22:41:00 <@englishman> i hope the tax benefits are worth it 2018-01-30T22:41:01 <@Steffanx> i could understand THAT, jpa- 2018-01-30T22:41:27 <@Steffanx> 99% of us are real nice guys in real life BrainDamage 2018-01-30T22:41:37 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 132 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 129 normal] 2018-01-30T22:42:38 < jadew> you just can't find us in real life, cuz we're on IRC 2018-01-30T22:42:43 < zyp> englishman, I don't think there'll be any tax benefits really 2018-01-30T22:43:10 < jpa-> not in finland either 2018-01-30T22:43:36 <@Steffanx> At least 1% superbia. You and jadew make up for > 1% already. 2018-01-30T22:43:48 <@Steffanx> And there are probably more 2018-01-30T22:43:54 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2018-01-30T22:44:39 < jadew> we are overrepresented 2018-01-30T22:44:43 < jadew> superbia, you should leave 2018-01-30T22:44:54 < jadew> j/k 2018-01-30T22:45:01 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: i am not a nice person 2018-01-30T22:45:15 < Steffanx> That's your irc personality talking. 2018-01-30T22:49:26 < jadew> there are indeed more romanians here 2018-01-30T22:49:59 < Steffanx> Most scary thing is the ##stm32-inventor being is romanian. 2018-01-30T22:50:39 < BrainDamage> here romanians have a horrible reputation 2018-01-30T22:50:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-30T22:51:04 < jadew> BrainDamage, where's here? 2018-01-30T22:51:07 < BrainDamage> we get bands of gypsies that camp near railway lines, steal and do all sort of criminal activity 2018-01-30T22:51:11 < BrainDamage> north italy 2018-01-30T22:51:27 < jadew> well, gypsies are not romanian tho 2018-01-30T22:51:28 < jpa-> romani vs. romanians? 2018-01-30T22:51:35 < jadew> and they're not called romani 2018-01-30T22:51:38 < jadew> they're gypsies 2018-01-30T22:51:39 < BrainDamage> gypsies from romania 2018-01-30T22:51:43 < Steffanx> That probably have a romanian passport. 2018-01-30T22:51:49 < jadew> they're from India 2018-01-30T22:51:49 < BrainDamage> as in they emigrated from romania 2018-01-30T22:52:13 < jadew> and they took the name romani because apparently that's what they do 2018-01-30T22:52:27 < jadew> they've done it in other countries as well 2018-01-30T22:53:13 < jadew> the ones you speak of are the ones who have failed to integrate 2018-01-30T22:53:17 < BrainDamage> well, those have a romanian id, so they are romanians, ofc like most emigrants, it's hardly the nice people the poor class that emigrate 2018-01-30T22:53:30 < BrainDamage> it's someone desperate 2018-01-30T22:54:15 < jadew> yeah, most of the ones who remained are cool, working people 2018-01-30T22:55:01 < jadew> the trouble makers started leaving the moment we joined the EU 2018-01-30T22:55:21 < jadew> romania, or at least my city is a much nicer place because of that 2018-01-30T22:55:35 < jadew> less theft, safer public transportation 2018-01-30T22:56:01 < jadew> so yeah, I get why we have a bad reputation 2018-01-30T22:56:21 < jadew> but I think it's important to make the distinction, because they don't represent the romanian people 2018-01-30T22:56:33 < jadew> they represent their own culture 2018-01-30T22:58:31 < jadew> don't get me wrong, we're not the best guests either, but they're on a whole different level 2018-01-30T22:59:04 < BrainDamage> good luck explaining that to most people here 2018-01-30T22:59:13 < jadew> yeah... I know 2018-01-30T22:59:55 < jpa-> around here the distinction between romani vs. romania is quite well known AFAIK 2018-01-30T23:00:24 < karlp> jadew: it's definitely floating at the end to have that taper off like that 2018-01-30T23:00:38 < jpa-> not that people are particularly fond of romania either, but it's on a similar level as poland or belarus or ukraine 2018-01-30T23:01:21 < BrainDamage> poland doesn't have a bad name, it's more like the place you visit when you want to get piss drunk and do a brothel tour 2018-01-30T23:01:36 < sync> wut 2018-01-30T23:01:45 < sync> at least in germany it has a relatively bad name 2018-01-30T23:01:55 < jadew> why is that? 2018-01-30T23:01:59 < BrainDamage> yes, because you get an influx of polish immigrants 2018-01-30T23:02:01 < BrainDamage> we never did 2018-01-30T23:02:31 < BrainDamage> albanians also have a pretty bad name here 2018-01-30T23:02:49 < sync> jadew: because 90% of stolen cars/stuff go through poland 2018-01-30T23:02:57 < karlp> bonus with havingn friends sit on the washihgn machine... some of them will enjoy it :) 2018-01-30T23:03:51 < BrainDamage> same way for germany and italians, there's been a bit of migratory flux of italians towards germany in the past 2018-01-30T23:04:14 < BrainDamage> and again, most of the people whom emigrate during mass emigrations aren't the cream of the crop 2018-01-30T23:04:43 < jadew> we don't have any issues with our neighbours 2018-01-30T23:04:54 < jadew> but that's probably because nobody wants to come here 2018-01-30T23:04:59 < jadew> there's nothing to steal 2018-01-30T23:05:57 * karlp cheers for zyp and mrs zyp 2018-01-30T23:06:25 < BrainDamage> catching up with log? 2018-01-30T23:06:25 < jadew> karlp, you're always reading the entire log? 2018-01-30T23:07:43 < jadew> I only scroll up to look for pictures 2018-01-30T23:08:00 < karlp> BrainDamage: poland doesn't have a bad name in italy maybe, but they're still horribly prejudiced against them here. 2018-01-30T23:08:00 < BrainDamage> does that include faprenceb's links? 2018-01-30T23:08:15 < karlp> jadew: mostly yes. 2018-01-30T23:08:17 < BrainDamage> i know that poland has an awful name in england 2018-01-30T23:08:21 < jadew> it does, but I'm careful when I open those 2018-01-30T23:09:21 < karlp> with out 007-1, and ignoring artoo, it's not normallly that hard to keep up on the entire log 2018-01-30T23:09:58 < jadew> who is artoo? 2018-01-30T23:10:05 < BrainDamage> the ex commie 2018-01-30T23:10:09 < BrainDamage> that hates commies 2018-01-30T23:10:12 < jadew> ah 2018-01-30T23:11:20 < BrainDamage> if i met that guy irl i wouldn't mind slapping a few times if he spewed out his crap in front of me 2018-01-30T23:12:01 < jadew> we should all meet sometime 2018-01-30T23:14:55 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: but he has a gun on him, won't that stop you? 2018-01-30T23:16:44 < BrainDamage> probably not, i have pretty low tollerance for people who act like bullies 2018-01-30T23:17:09 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-30T23:17:30 < BrainDamage> moreover, in most of the world he wouldn't be able to have his gun with him 2018-01-30T23:18:45 < karlp> at least anywhere we'd be prepared to meet him :) 2018-01-30T23:18:57 < karlp> ohh, I'll be in italia! in june 2018-01-30T23:19:03 < karlp> wedding in umbria. 2018-01-30T23:19:06 < karlp> not really nearby you though 2018-01-30T23:20:52 < jadew> night 2018-01-30T23:20:57 < BrainDamage> night 2018-01-30T23:21:25 < BrainDamage> i have a friend that his gf has a house there, and yes, it's pretty far 2018-01-30T23:27:26 < Thorn> lol ##space is plotting Laurenceb's murder 2018-01-30T23:30:57 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@dhcp78-65.hiz-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2018-01-30T23:41:45 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-30T23:42:20 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T23:44:21 < polymorph> hello 2018-01-30T23:49:31 < Steffanx> Have a linky to live stream Thorn ? 2018-01-30T23:49:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-09e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-30T23:50:03 < Thorn> delayed 24 hrs 2018-01-30T23:50:46 < Steffanx> Yes i see 2018-01-30T23:51:19 < polymorph> I have a large red 7segment digital led display alarm clock that does not actually increment time, can you guess what time is it on it? 2018-01-30T23:53:16 < Steffanx> Is this a trick question? 2018-01-30T23:53:39 < qyx> are you rinning it on a DC? 2018-01-30T23:55:52 < polymorph> qyx: Steffanx no, it is an alarm clock that has a dead brain, i can set time, and it even blinks, but no increment 2018-01-30T23:56:03 < polymorph> i set it to 11:14, if you don't get it, watch the movie 2018-01-30T23:56:30 < Steffanx> "the movie"? 2018-01-30T23:56:44 < BrainDamage> autistic projects: the movie? 2018-01-30T23:57:02 < BrainDamage> also, related: http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h1961 2018-01-30T23:57:21 < BrainDamage> > The prevalence of the autism symptom phenotype has remained stable in children in Sweden while the official prevalence for registered, clinically diagnosed, autism spectrum disorder has increased substantially. This suggests that administrative changes, affecting the registered prevalence, rather than secular factors affecting the pathogenesis, are important for the increase in reported prevalence of autism spectrum disorder. 2018-01-30T23:57:24 < polymorph> "11:14" the movie 2018-01-30T23:57:26 < polymorph> :P 2018-01-30T23:57:46 < BrainDamage> it's not just internet shitposting throwing the autism term casually 2018-01-30T23:58:01 < polymorph> BrainDamage: in my opinion autistic is a retarded 2018-01-30T23:58:16 < Steffanx> You call yourself a retard? 2018-01-30T23:58:33 < polymorph> BrainDamage: you know people with degenerate brains, actual BrainDamage 2018-01-30T23:58:33 < BrainDamage> retarded what? retarded is an adjective, not a noun 2018-01-30T23:59:19 < Steffanx> Thats soo shortsighted polymorph 2018-01-30T23:59:58 < polymorph> Steffanx: it is the truth --- Day changed Wed Jan 31 2018 2018-01-31T00:00:27 < polymorph> im a polymath, anyway 2018-01-31T00:00:52 < Steffanx> Sure you its a defect in the brain, but.. 2018-01-31T00:01:19 < polymorph> no but 2018-01-31T00:01:34 < BrainDamage> polymeth 2018-01-31T00:01:41 < polymorph> kek 2018-01-31T00:02:20 < BrainDamage> you know, terms like geniuous, polymath, etc are not terms one can appoint oneself, you only sound like a self absorbed jerk 2018-01-31T00:02:32 < Steffanx> i figured it out. ohsix is gone. Laurenceb is gone. The merged them both and the result is polymorph 2018-01-31T00:02:43 < Steffanx> They* 2018-01-31T00:02:47 < polymorph> haha 2018-01-31T00:02:50 < BrainDamage> or it's just the same person who previously operated o6 2018-01-31T00:03:02 < polymorph> i might get lost soon and have a life 2018-01-31T00:03:10 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-31T00:03:14 < Steffanx> Might :D 2018-01-31T00:03:30 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T00:03:52 < polymorph> i can do whatever the fuck i want, im not autistic 2018-01-31T00:03:57 < Steffanx> Hows hungary these days polymorph ? 2018-01-31T00:04:20 < polymorph> Steffanx: it is a poor hellhole, asusual 2018-01-31T00:04:56 < Steffanx> Its not THAT bad is it? 2018-01-31T00:05:02 < polymorph> but we did give the world the atomic and hydrogen bomb 2018-01-31T00:06:07 < zyp> hmm, almost february, when does chinese newyears start? 2018-01-31T00:06:15 < polymorph> Steffanx: well, an average monthly salary is 250 euros maybe,- if somebody even has a job that is 2018-01-31T00:07:34 < Steffanx> Are you above average polymorph ? 2018-01-31T00:11:38 < karlp> zyp: you don't get seed mailouts with the helpful graph of, "closed here!, order here! back again here!" ? 2018-01-31T00:12:07 < Steffanx> Isnt it like 3 weeks from now? Seeed isnt that early right? 2018-01-31T00:12:19 < Steffanx> I havent seen seeed mails yet. 2018-01-31T00:12:30 < Steffanx> But i might have ignored it 2018-01-31T00:18:30 < zyp> karlp, not that I've noticed 2018-01-31T00:19:58 < zyp> just got asked by people I've worked with before if I could have more pcbs made for them 2018-01-31T00:20:33 < zyp> and I figure chinese newyears might affect the timeline 2018-01-31T00:21:40 < polymorph> Steffanx: i still need a few gold bricks ;/ 2018-01-31T00:24:20 <@englishman> feb10 is when they start shutting down 2018-01-31T00:26:59 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:c426:681:603:3350] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T00:32:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-09e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T00:44:42 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-31T00:47:26 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T00:48:42 < ds2> OSHpark 2018-01-31T00:54:32 <@englishman> china quality at the white man's price 2018-01-31T01:22:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2018-01-31T01:22:30 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T01:43:22 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-31T01:48:07 < upgrdman> anyone familiar with "electrets" ? so they have a permanent e field? so you can measure a DC voltage across it? 2018-01-31T01:48:28 < upgrdman> how is that not perpetual motion / free energy bs? 2018-01-31T01:50:36 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:c426:681:603:3350] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-31T01:53:54 < BrainDamage> same way a capacitor is not a perpetual motion bs 2018-01-31T01:54:37 < BrainDamage> if you try to power something with it it loses the internal energy 2018-01-31T01:55:08 < BrainDamage> it's possible to generate power with them, but you need to constantly feed energy externally 2018-01-31T01:55:35 < BrainDamage> eg electret microphones, take the energy from the acoustic wave and transformate to electrical 2018-01-31T01:55:47 < upgrdman> o 2018-01-31T01:56:00 < BrainDamage> -ate 2018-01-31T01:57:16 < BrainDamage> btw, just for the record, every semiconductor junction inside has a region where there's a strong electric field, created by the doping 2018-01-31T01:57:32 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-31T01:58:05 < BrainDamage> just because something has a non-0 energy rest, it doesn't mean it can continously provide it 2018-01-31T01:58:21 < BrainDamage> it's the same mistake a lot of people do with things like 0 point energy in QM 2018-01-31T01:58:34 < BrainDamage> just because your minimum isn't 0, doesn't mean you can keep drawing from it 2018-01-31T01:59:29 < upgrdman> so if you short circuit an electret mic for a while, will that kill it? or does it "heal" after you bias it again 2018-01-31T02:00:22 < BrainDamage> the electret mic is not directly connected to the terminals 2018-01-31T02:00:26 < BrainDamage> there's a transistor inbetween 2018-01-31T02:00:35 < BrainDamage> because the signal is too weak 2018-01-31T02:00:39 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-31T02:00:49 < BrainDamage> but even if you remove that 2018-01-31T02:00:58 < BrainDamage> and you short the mic, yes, you'd kill it temporarily 2018-01-31T02:01:08 < BrainDamage> but that's not a stable condition for the crystal 2018-01-31T02:01:13 < branjb> don't magnets give free perpetual energy? 2018-01-31T02:01:20 < branjb> what's that motor called 2018-01-31T02:01:22 < BrainDamage> according to the internet yes 2018-01-31T02:01:23 < upgrdman> branjb, no 2018-01-31T02:01:26 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T02:01:30 < BrainDamage> according to physics and reality no 2018-01-31T02:02:02 < BrainDamage> eventually energy will leak back to the mic, from various sources, but i cannot give you a time frame 2018-01-31T02:02:11 < upgrdman> k 2018-01-31T02:02:22 < branjb> mendocino motor 2018-01-31T02:02:36 < BrainDamage> if you google you'll find thousands of that shit 2018-01-31T02:02:46 < BrainDamage> rodin coils, steorn, whatever 2018-01-31T02:02:47 < upgrdman> cappuccino motor 2018-01-31T02:03:01 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncx2eVpWUzw 2018-01-31T02:03:08 < branjb> it levitates and has perpetual motion 2018-01-31T02:03:35 < BrainDamage> how do you know there's no battery in the frame 2018-01-31T02:03:52 < BrainDamage> levitating rotors are nothing new 2018-01-31T02:03:54 < branjb> because I've built one before 2018-01-31T02:03:55 < branjb> haha 2018-01-31T02:03:56 < BrainDamage> there's plenty of toys 2018-01-31T02:04:07 < branjb> yeah, it does cool things with solar panels 2018-01-31T02:04:14 < BrainDamage> oh solar panels 2018-01-31T02:04:21 < BrainDamage> well, it's not perpetual motion 2018-01-31T02:04:40 < BrainDamage> people who call it perpetual motion want the device to not be powered externally 2018-01-31T02:04:48 < BrainDamage> in that case, it's just the sun providing the energy 2018-01-31T02:04:53 < branjb> only one side is getting hit, but it rotates, so it's constantly changing which coil is being energized 2018-01-31T02:05:06 < BrainDamage> yes, that's not perpetual motion 2018-01-31T02:05:15 < branjb> idk, mine spins all day 2018-01-31T02:05:31 < BrainDamage> that's not what the term means 2018-01-31T02:05:51 < BrainDamage> otherwise I'll slap a ferrari sticker on my car and sell it for 500k 2018-01-31T02:06:10 < BrainDamage> changing a name doesn't change a commonly accepted meaning 2018-01-31T02:06:36 < BrainDamage> perpetual motion refers to a device capable to sustain motion without external sources of energy 2018-01-31T02:07:22 < BrainDamage> otherwise you take a normal electric motor and plug to mains 2018-01-31T02:07:27 < BrainDamage> and you can call it perpetual motion 2018-01-31T02:07:32 < BrainDamage> using your definition 2018-01-31T02:08:18 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-31T02:11:17 < upgrdman> ##stm32 is a good source for perpetual autism 2018-01-31T02:11:59 < branjb> finally got my sign on bonus 2018-01-31T02:12:04 < branjb> new microscope and cnc router for me 2018-01-31T02:12:11 < upgrdman> whatd you sign on to 2018-01-31T02:12:19 < branjb> a job 6 months ago 2018-01-31T02:12:24 < upgrdman> what kind of job 2018-01-31T02:12:25 < branjb> that is terrible at accounting 2018-01-31T02:12:38 < BrainDamage> prostitution? 2018-01-31T02:12:41 < branjb> ya 2018-01-31T02:12:50 < upgrdman> prostate juicer? 2018-01-31T02:13:09 < BrainDamage> thanks for the awful mental picture 2018-01-31T02:13:14 < upgrdman> :D 2018-01-31T02:13:19 < branjb> prostate milker* 2018-01-31T02:15:32 -!- steverrrr_ [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2018-01-31T02:15:36 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T02:20:39 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T02:29:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T02:30:18 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T02:36:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2018-01-31T03:40:06 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T03:42:48 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T03:42:53 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-31T03:54:03 < tct_> don't do prostitution 2018-01-31T04:04:29 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T04:07:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-31T04:18:17 < upgrdman> i can almost hear it https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/UnlawfulCompetentBronco 2018-01-31T04:21:44 < sync> the sound of eardrums rupturing? 2018-01-31T04:29:32 < aandrew> stupid idiot 2018-01-31T04:50:26 < tct_> 'mericans 2018-01-31T04:55:15 <@englishman> upgrdman: re: your question last night 2018-01-31T04:55:16 <@englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfjVKyuyPlQ 2018-01-31T04:57:14 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-31T04:58:50 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/gallery/Ie3YRCl 2018-01-31T04:58:51 < aandrew> my sides 2018-01-31T04:59:57 < upgrdman> :) 2018-01-31T05:05:41 -!- MrMobius [1803ddd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.3.221.208] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T05:19:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-81-152-158-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T05:46:16 < branjb> is ##stm32 a link dump again? 2018-01-31T05:48:01 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@ip-142-232-164-149.ptr.bcit.ca] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T05:51:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T05:59:09 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@ip-142-232-164-149.ptr.bcit.ca] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2018-01-31T06:17:20 < aandrew> dude, check the link and laugh 2018-01-31T06:17:25 < aandrew> there is easily an STM32 in that thing 2018-01-31T06:17:32 < branjb> lol 2018-01-31T06:18:41 < aandrew> I haven't laughed at a link that hard since fark had a "sesame street characters go into witness protection" photoshop contest and someone put big bird's eyes on a lion 2018-01-31T06:18:56 < aandrew> fucking thing looked like a gopher had popped up and bit the lion in the bag or something 2018-01-31T06:19:03 < aandrew> where's that damn pic 2018-01-31T06:21:20 < aandrew> nope I believe I've lost it 2018-01-31T06:23:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@96-81-152-158-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T06:39:46 < dekar__> I've updated TNT for Cortex-m7: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT 2018-01-31T06:40:57 < dekar__> Does anyone have experience with the STM32H7? 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Your perpetual hand energy will be converted ta perpetual electricity 2018-01-31T08:49:41 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T08:50:19 < polymorph> [00:58] the electret mic is not directly connected to the terminals [00:58] there's a transistor inbetween [00:59] because the signal is too weak - an electret mic has a jfet in it, though i saw guys disconnect it and get a linear decibel meter using external amplifier, i would model the electret mic as a membrane that moves and there is capacitance between 2 metallic plates, sound prossure 2018-01-31T08:51:13 < polymorph> capacity of the system, that means it converts pressure change to capacitance change 2018-01-31T08:56:01 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@87-92-106-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T08:56:04 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-31T08:58:02 < jpa-> sync: H7 is now on the graph, though only one part in-stock on digikey currently 2018-01-31T08:59:01 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T09:05:56 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-31T09:06:32 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T09:08:14 < qyx> finally the right mcu for superbia's smps converter 2018-01-31T09:08:18 < qyx> or whatever it was 2018-01-31T09:12:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ddebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T09:19:46 < jpa-> it's the right mcu for the next arduino, atleast 2018-01-31T09:19:59 < polymorph> For fun, who made an stm32 play midi ? :) 2018-01-31T09:20:19 < jpa-> imagine how fast you could bitbang with digitalWrite() on a 400MHz MCU! 2018-01-31T09:20:55 < polymorph> jpa-: yeah i would like that 2018-01-31T09:21:07 < jpa-> polymorph: i did something similar, though lazily just converted the midi into an array http://jpa.kapsi.fi/svn/uunimittari/receiver_sw/src/beeper.c 2018-01-31T09:28:04 < polymorph> jpa-: could the stm32 generate midi synthetic instruments on-the-fly ? 2018-01-31T09:28:35 < polymorph> or only read sample table from flash? 2018-01-31T09:29:00 < jpa-> sure it could, especially the higher-end ones 2018-01-31T09:29:12 < polymorph> :) 2018-01-31T09:31:56 < polymorph> jpa-: all that stuff yours? i would give a tip, forget sdl, befriend xcb and opengl 2018-01-31T09:34:52 < jpa-> year on that sdl stuff is 2006 :P 2018-01-31T09:35:30 < polymorph> jpa-: i did the mistake to to try it, waste of time 2018-01-31T09:35:43 < polymorph> ooo 2018-01-31T09:36:49 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T09:38:43 < polymorph> nah got my parallel port connectors on the worktable, will be a wiggler/xilix programmer or some hybrid thing i would like to use with avrdude to propram atmegas avr, and openocd to program stm32s 2018-01-31T09:39:18 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T09:39:21 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-31T09:39:29 < polymorph> can't decide wtf is that power supply connected input is good for 2018-01-31T09:40:11 < polymorph> if i connetr my thing to program i either add power to, or it has its own, nobody cares 2018-01-31T09:41:11 < polymorph> anosheuaonhuaonsuhnaosnuhaosuhaostnuhaosnthuosntahuontahuao 2018-01-31T09:47:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T09:52:14 -!- MrMobius [1803ddd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.3.221.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-31T09:57:43 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T10:00:00 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-31T10:00:03 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-31T10:02:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-ddebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-31T10:05:36 < polymorph> sounds like CS guys tried hard to make an enterprise class parallel port program uploader with functions that has really no practical use but sound good 2018-01-31T10:06:03 < polymorph> *have 2018-01-31T10:15:43 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T10:27:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T10:30:48 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T11:00:34 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T11:05:48 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T11:14:59 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T11:17:12 * stvn checks the world clock 2018-01-31T11:20:11 < polymorph> stvn: does it work? 2018-01-31T11:21:36 < stvn> where's steffan 2018-01-31T11:56:00 < polymorph> not present 2018-01-31T12:00:32 < kakimir> AWOL 2018-01-31T12:01:48 < stvn> m 2018-01-31T12:05:28 < polymorph> "In higher-voltage circuits, an arc will be struck after the fuse element has melted and a further amount of energy will be passed to the output circuit while this arc is maintained." ---and the solution to this is to fill the glass tube with quartz sand, so it folls in when the wire blows and extinguishes the arc... i wonder why the quartz sand in the sand filled fuses cost 3-6 euros ;) 2018-01-31T12:05:40 < polymorph> https://www.elect-spec.com/fuse-parameters/ - how a fuse melts 2018-01-31T12:06:40 < polymorph> i can get a 30kg bag of quartz sand at local shop for 10 euros 2018-01-31T12:09:00 < polymorph> btw a non quartz filled 10A F glass fuse blows apart and sprays the shattered glass everywhere in case a short in a computer psu 2018-01-31T12:10:43 < qyx> mhm, this china level mean-well psu has two stage filter with capacitors and common-mode chokes 2018-01-31T12:10:46 < kakimir> I have quartz sand mine literally as my neighbour 2018-01-31T12:11:10 < qyx> it is either super-pro or it was such shit that they had to add one more choke 2018-01-31T12:11:10 < kakimir> my home place is literally build on big hill of quartz 2018-01-31T12:14:43 < polymorph> kakimir: haha nice 2018-01-31T12:15:24 < polymorph> kakimir: yes i know there are beaches that has nice white quartz sand too 2018-01-31T12:15:48 < polymorph> wash with acid and alcohol and you have supersandfusesand 2018-01-31T12:20:41 < kakimir> sand is bulk 2018-01-31T12:20:54 < kakimir> they sell it in truck loads 2018-01-31T12:21:02 < kakimir> price is accordingly 2018-01-31T12:21:16 < polymorph> i would need sic sand now 2018-01-31T12:21:23 < polymorph> black and green 2018-01-31T12:21:38 < stvn> what we have here is a full scale blowout 2018-01-31T12:43:12 < stvn> http://www.nti-audio.com/en/news/we-are-expanding-our-design-team.aspx 2018-01-31T12:46:29 < stvn> trial of the bong 2018-01-31T13:03:56 < dongs> zyp, debugger isnt connected. it WORKS in debugger. 2018-01-31T13:04:08 < zyp> okay 2018-01-31T13:04:09 < dongs> just F8 (flash) from keil. which does a reset after. 2018-01-31T13:04:28 < dongs> im gonna see if i can repeat same shit from ozone 2018-01-31T13:04:40 < dongs> to see if its keil or code or jlink 2018-01-31T13:07:30 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ~] 2018-01-31T13:11:19 < zyp> well, flashing through swd still uses some of the debugger blocks 2018-01-31T13:11:53 < dongs> yes but hardware reset should kill it all 2018-01-31T13:11:55 < kakimir> when resistor and capacitor have undivideable length difference #ltspice 2018-01-31T13:12:08 < kakimir> you can not just make symmetrical looking circuits 2018-01-31T13:12:45 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T13:35:26 < zyp> dongs, btw, did you read the email I sent you last night? 2018-01-31T13:37:33 < kakimir> dongs is working for you? 2018-01-31T13:37:38 < kakimir> sweet 2018-01-31T13:37:49 < kakimir> I would like to have dongs working for me 2018-01-31T13:38:44 < jpa-> what stops you? 2018-01-31T13:40:10 < Steffanx> Dongs.. 2018-01-31T13:40:37 < Steffanx> And wb superbia 2018-01-31T13:41:23 < stvn> lol 2018-01-31T13:41:30 < kakimir> but I don't have that moonah 2018-01-31T13:41:32 < kakimir> yet 2018-01-31T13:42:31 < stvn> can u find me litz wire 2018-01-31T13:49:14 < dongs> zyp, no looking 2018-01-31T13:49:26 < dongs> did you get the cablses and they're shit 2018-01-31T13:49:26 < dongs> oh 2018-01-31T13:49:30 < dongs> more GAY boards 2018-01-31T13:51:12 < zyp> ya 2018-01-31T13:52:01 < zyp> just got confirmation, same gerbers, 36 assembled 2018-01-31T13:52:37 < dongs> replied 2018-01-31T13:52:45 < dongs> you dont wanna fix shit or make it more dfm-friendly? 2018-01-31T13:52:53 < dongs> (like move everything to one layer) 2018-01-31T13:52:54 < dongs> lolo 2018-01-31T13:53:09 < dongs> 36 boards.... do we get another FR4 of the panels? or just run it as sample 2018-01-31T13:53:18 < dongs> i forgot how many was per fr4 2018-01-31T13:53:58 < zyp> I figure just another series of 100+ like the first 2018-01-31T13:55:05 < zyp> I mean, the first run was fewer than 36, and sample didn't make sense then, so I don't assume it would make sense now either 2018-01-31T13:55:06 < dongs> ill check my "zyp trash' box and see if theres anything left over 2018-01-31T13:55:10 < dongs> yeah 2018-01-31T13:55:32 < zyp> unless the price relationship between samples and production runs of 4L has changed over the past few years 2018-01-31T13:55:43 < dongs> nope 2018-01-31T13:56:21 < dongs> so wehn can you tell me taht there's absolutely no changes? 2018-01-31T13:56:23 < dongs> now? 2018-01-31T13:56:26 < zyp> yeah 2018-01-31T13:56:27 < dongs> should I go ahead and make it happen/ 2018-01-31T13:56:30 < zyp> yes 2018-01-31T13:56:32 < dongs> ok 2018-01-31T13:57:11 < zyp> I figure cables should be here tomorrow, according to tracking they cleared customs today 2018-01-31T13:58:43 < dongs> excellent 2018-01-31T13:58:47 < dongs> is that before fridaY? 2018-01-31T13:59:18 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@110.184.58.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T14:00:13 < zyp> yes, TNT seems decent 2018-01-31T14:00:33 < zyp> don't have much prior experience with them 2018-01-31T14:04:54 -!- day__ [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T14:06:34 -!- polymorph [55ee594e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.238.89.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-31T14:07:27 -!- day [~Unknown@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T14:07:30 -!- day__ is now known as day 2018-01-31T14:28:11 < sync> jpa-: thanks, yeah not a lot of H7 stuff on the market currently 2018-01-31T14:33:27 < dongs> ok lets try this ozone shit 2018-01-31T14:33:52 < dongs> hm 2018-01-31T14:33:55 < dongs> ozone doesnt have flash 2018-01-31T14:34:00 < dongs> command line jlink tools should ya? 2018-01-31T14:34:12 < dongs> oh, jflash 2018-01-31T14:36:22 < dongs> same shit 2018-01-31T14:36:36 < dongs> there are 2 ways to reset 2018-01-31T14:36:40 < dongs> got it 2018-01-31T14:36:45 < dongs> 'reset via SFR access' 2018-01-31T14:36:46 < dongs> makes it fail 2018-01-31T14:36:51 < dongs> reset via reset pin obviously works 2018-01-31T14:37:04 < dongs> SFR i guess the're using vect.reset or wahtever shit? 2018-01-31T14:37:12 < dongs> er aircr.sysreseterq 2018-01-31T14:39:42 < dongs> o nope 2018-01-31T14:39:49 < dongs> it fails even with reset pin... 2018-01-31T14:39:56 < dongs> (in keil) 2018-01-31T14:39:59 < dongs> works ok in jewflash 2018-01-31T14:41:57 < zyp> what do you mean ozone doesn't have flash? I've been using ozone to flash this shit I'm working on 2018-01-31T14:42:17 < dongs> just flash and reset 2018-01-31T14:42:18 < dongs> without attach 2018-01-31T14:42:22 < dongs> it has flash and attach 2018-01-31T14:42:23 < zyp> start debugging -> download and reset program 2018-01-31T14:42:24 < dongs> which works just fine 2018-01-31T14:42:25 < dongs> yes 2018-01-31T14:42:27 < zyp> okay, fair 2018-01-31T14:42:33 < dongs> anything involving connection w/debugger works 2018-01-31T14:42:36 < dongs> same as cold reset 2018-01-31T14:42:46 < dongs> its the soft reset after flashing that fails 2018-01-31T14:43:46 < zyp> from the chip's perspective, I don't think there's a difference in flashing with/without debugger, to me that just seems like a difference in whether it detaches after flashing or not 2018-01-31T14:44:04 < dongs> sure 2018-01-31T14:44:13 < zyp> so I guess keil does some weird sequence that gets the DWT stuck 2018-01-31T14:45:05 < zyp> and naturally all debug blocks are not reset by the normal reset, otherwise attach under reset wouldn't work 2018-01-31T14:49:01 < dongs> bizzare, i opened ozone/jlink./keil shit and now i cant duplicate the stoppage 2018-01-31T14:49:15 < dongs> now its resetting proeprly 2018-01-31T14:50:15 < dongs> there it goes 2018-01-31T14:50:17 < dongs> now dead 2018-01-31T14:58:18 < dongs> ok i ahve no fucking idea 2018-01-31T14:58:28 < dongs> all i know is cyccnt stops 2018-01-31T14:58:39 < dongs> maybe I should redo my delay stuff by using a timer instead 2018-01-31T15:12:49 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-31T15:13:52 -!- Cracki [~Cracki@unaffiliated/crackwitz] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T15:23:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-65-130.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T15:23:45 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T15:33:04 < Thorn> eclipse live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0n4JseQT8 2018-01-31T15:35:44 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T15:35:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-31T15:39:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2018-01-31T15:40:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T15:48:16 < dongs> https://upcommons.upc.edu/bitstream/handle/2117/79530/PFCpaperVfinal.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y wow some high end autism 2018-01-31T16:04:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T16:05:11 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T16:22:34 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-76-189-54-110.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Adde Parvum Parvo Magnus Acervus Erit] 2018-01-31T16:28:31 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-31T16:31:02 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T16:32:40 < Rob235> I don't know how to design the tops of my castle towers :( 2018-01-31T16:47:48 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T16:50:30 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.25.61.200] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T16:50:30 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@188.25.61.200] has quit [Changing host] 2018-01-31T16:50:30 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T17:24:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T17:40:19 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-141-98.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T17:41:51 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-27-60.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T17:49:21 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@213.135.10.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T17:54:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T18:05:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T18:17:31 -!- polyfuse [55ee594e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.238.89.78] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T18:18:14 < polyfuse> re 2018-01-31T18:38:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2018-01-31T18:50:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T18:51:56 < invzim> anyone know how they manufacture square holes? 2018-01-31T18:53:39 < qyx> drilling 2018-01-31T18:55:16 < invzim> special drillbit? 2018-01-31T18:55:42 < qyx> it was trolling actually 2018-01-31T18:55:44 < qyx> but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjckF0-VeGI 2018-01-31T18:55:49 < qyx> seems like there is such thing 2018-01-31T18:56:28 <@englishman> wtf 2018-01-31T18:56:33 <@englishman> theres already a square hole 2018-01-31T18:56:57 < qyx> he is drilling to the part underneath 2018-01-31T18:58:05 <@englishman> how well do you think typical ip router routing will work on low power devices 2018-01-31T18:58:12 <@englishman> they would just have to all wake up at the same time 2018-01-31T18:58:16 <@englishman> perform routing tasks 2018-01-31T18:58:19 <@englishman> then return to low power state 2018-01-31T18:58:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-31T18:59:01 < qyx> not same time 2018-01-31T18:59:09 < Rickta59> sort of square 2018-01-31T18:59:19 < qyx> it has to receive the packet, examine and retransmit 2018-01-31T19:00:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:00:35 < polyfuse> invzim: broaches 2018-01-31T19:01:05 < polyfuse> invzim: and laser 2018-01-31T19:01:23 <@englishman> yeah but that would require lots of nonvolatile memory 2018-01-31T19:01:26 <@englishman> ...which is cheap i guess 2018-01-31T19:01:40 <@englishman> then, only any two links have to be awake at any time 2018-01-31T19:01:55 <@englishman> but if you are scheduling that why not have all of them awake at once 2018-01-31T19:03:35 < polyfuse> can stm32 operate in space? or it costs 1000x for that purpose? 2018-01-31T19:04:22 < qyx> apparently yes according to diy sat builders 2018-01-31T19:04:25 -!- dan2wik [~dan2wik@unaffiliated/dan2wik] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:04:26 < qyx> and balloonists 2018-01-31T19:04:34 < polyfuse> server rams used to have ecc, and cpu caches tlc maybe 2018-01-31T19:04:56 -!- vampi-the-frog [~vampi@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Get up on outta here!] 2018-01-31T19:05:27 < Steffanx> "used to have'"? 2018-01-31T19:05:28 < qyx> some stm32 too but it doesn't make them radhard 2018-01-31T19:06:05 < polyfuse> Steffanx: yea i dont know the current trend 2018-01-31T19:06:14 < Steffanx> My NAS ram does ECC, polyfuse . Ddr4 much 2018-01-31T19:06:36 < polyfuse> Steffanx: good 2018-01-31T19:06:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:07:01 < Steffanx> Ikr 2018-01-31T19:07:10 < polyfuse> Steffanx: maybe it can take some radiation and correct it? 2018-01-31T19:07:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-31T19:07:30 < Steffanx> Not going to try my NAS in space. 2018-01-31T19:07:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:14:47 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2018-01-31T19:22:07 -!- massi [~massi@host82-30-static.26-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-31T19:34:28 -!- ThomasK [~Thomas@p4FC71EB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:40:03 -!- MrMobius [1803ddd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.3.221.208] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:42:22 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@mot304.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:45:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T19:52:19 <@englishman> https://i.imgur.com/QpAwebB.gifv 2018-01-31T19:55:03 < polyfuse> Steffanx: i heard stuff dies near fukushma nowadays 2018-01-31T19:55:25 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG9jZYAudcc 2018-01-31T19:56:07 < MrMobius> englishman, Im betting the guy was smoking or left the car running 2018-01-31T19:56:27 <@englishman> thanks Thorn 2018-01-31T19:59:01 < polyfuse> englishman: you like watching russian women streaming? 2018-01-31T19:59:36 <@englishman> theres a woman? 2018-01-31T20:01:50 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.A137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-31T20:06:40 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@adsl-99-222.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2018-01-31T20:07:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T20:09:59 -!- MrMobius [1803ddd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.3.221.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2018-01-31T20:10:15 < polyfuse> englishman: hopefully 2018-01-31T20:12:38 < polyfuse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM smile, you are on camera 2018-01-31T20:13:21 -!- kakimir [~kikkel@dvpyyyyyyyyyyyyybj3jy-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T20:16:14 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-31T20:17:00 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@pool-100-35-64-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2018-01-31T20:22:07 < polyfuse> american gmo grass stores its water for dry season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUX8MXUF4W0 2018-01-31T20:29:51 -!- Ecco [~user@unaffiliated/ecco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2018-01-31T20:33:04 < kakimir> is it GMO tech? 2018-01-31T20:33:11 < kakimir> sweet 2018-01-31T20:33:52 < kakimir> I have a friend that says trees make water instead of water makes trees 2018-01-31T20:33:59 < kakimir> mad scientist 2018-01-31T20:34:34 < kakimir> not that trees make water that is already in some form there 2018-01-31T20:34:54 < tct_> sauna time 2018-01-31T20:35:36 < kakimir> but actually synthentize water somehow.. it's interesting idea 2018-01-31T20:36:37 < kakimir> compelling evidence is that where is trees there is water 2018-01-31T20:40:31 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:00:33 < kakimir> anyone recommend a buck-boost with 24V@2A or 48V@1A output and highest possible efficiency when input voltage is 13-17volts? 2018-01-31T21:01:09 < kakimir> highest commercially available efficiency for the spec 2018-01-31T21:01:13 < kakimir> also small size! 2018-01-31T21:01:14 < zyp> what's it for? 2018-01-31T21:01:22 < zyp> oh, and don't forget, it has to be free! 2018-01-31T21:01:31 < kakimir> nope 2018-01-31T21:01:45 < kakimir> product costs a bit under 1k a pop 2018-01-31T21:02:04 < kakimir> and it needs just one of those converters 2018-01-31T21:04:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-31T21:08:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:12:36 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:13:52 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:c19d:201b:3faf:e21d] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:14:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-46e1e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:17:07 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:22:09 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T21:22:48 -!- steverrrr [~steve@104.220.177.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T21:23:43 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:27:56 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2018-01-31T21:27:57 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:28:15 -!- phryk [~phryk@ip-37-24-163-60.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:36:51 < Steffanx> Welcome 2018-01-31T21:38:40 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@ool-addc82c5.static.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T21:42:50 < kakimir> hello boi 2018-01-31T21:44:35 < stvn> ty 2018-01-31T21:47:23 < polyfuse> so mustard competes with some thermal compounds http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/thermal-compound-roundup-january-2012/5/ 2018-01-31T21:48:31 < stvn> p p pump it up 2018-01-31T21:51:42 < jpa-> kakimir: why buck-boost if your input voltage is always lower than output? 2018-01-31T21:52:23 < stvn> is this the LED project kakimir ? 2018-01-31T21:52:37 < kakimir> jpa-, not always 2018-01-31T21:52:53 < jpa-> so what is the real range? 2018-01-31T21:53:22 < kakimir> ideally you can connect it to automotive electricity and not care too much 2018-01-31T21:53:43 < kakimir> or throw some small TVS in there just in case 2018-01-31T21:53:49 < jpa-> https://www.tme.eu/fi/details/rsd-60g-24/dcdc-muuntimet/mean-well/ so just something basic like this? 2018-01-31T21:53:59 < jpa-> not like it really matters that much whether it is 92% or 90% 2018-01-31T21:54:11 < kakimir> above 17V is more of survivability range 2018-01-31T21:55:36 < kakimir> nope 2018-01-31T21:56:11 < polyfuse> automotive needs TvS, and fuse, and crowbar, and LC filter. 2018-01-31T21:57:09 < kakimir> not all of them 2018-01-31T21:57:28 < kakimir> just TVS and fuse will do if your ic survivability is like 75V 2018-01-31T21:58:09 < kakimir> or actually it depends what standard you are looking 2018-01-31T21:58:10 < polyfuse> if you have an 1117 voltage regulator it will die above 12 or 16V... 2018-01-31T21:58:27 < stvn> what says he has a 1117??? 2018-01-31T21:58:34 < polyfuse> nbody 2018-01-31T21:58:35 < kakimir> 1117 :p 2018-01-31T21:58:40 < stvn> fuck. 2018-01-31T21:58:42 < polyfuse> stated an example 2018-01-31T21:59:05 < polyfuse> an 555 ic will die above 15V too 2018-01-31T21:59:09 < jpa-> if you have 1117, you are not even sad when it dies 2018-01-31T21:59:17 < stvn> lol 2018-01-31T21:59:20 < polyfuse> and cmos ics can above 15-18V 2018-01-31T21:59:49 < kakimir> jpa-, on point 2018-01-31T21:59:51 < stvn> i ordered a replacement for ohsix and this is what i got... 2018-01-31T22:00:02 -!- stvn [~stvn@14-201-87-50.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ~] 2018-01-31T22:00:24 < jpa-> maybe it's still within warranty period so we can return him? 2018-01-31T22:00:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-31T22:00:57 < polyfuse> it is cheap, you can get 1117 http://www.st.com/en/power-management/ld1117.html 2018-01-31T22:01:05 < polyfuse> but your mcu will die if it dies 2018-01-31T22:01:29 < kakimir> I do not concider using ld1777 anywhere 2018-01-31T22:02:15 < kakimir> and won't concider using it in the future too 2018-01-31T22:02:58 < polyfuse> k :) 2018-01-31T22:03:10 < polyfuse> kakimir: rather a 7805 ? 2018-01-31T22:03:26 < kakimir> actually yes 2018-01-31T22:04:04 < polyfuse> how about cmos ics? 2018-01-31T22:04:19 < polyfuse> they can run on 15V, but not really like above 2018-01-31T22:04:45 < kakimir> I use low voltage variations of logic and shiet 2018-01-31T22:04:53 < kakimir> 3v3 max 2018-01-31T22:05:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T22:05:15 < polyfuse> that is fun though check out cd4093 2018-01-31T22:05:16 < kakimir> I think there might be even lower voltage ones for only 1.8v 2018-01-31T22:05:33 < polyfuse> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4093b.pdf 2018-01-31T22:05:57 < polyfuse> 3-18V in 2018-01-31T22:07:08 < polyfuse> kakimir: all is fun, but cars have 12V lead acid 2018-01-31T22:08:23 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-125.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T22:09:08 < polyfuse> kakimir: you always downregulate with 7805 and even lower to run stuff? 2018-01-31T22:10:06 < kakimir> buck -> ldo -> mcu 2018-01-31T22:10:10 < kakimir> buck -> mcu 2018-01-31T22:10:14 < polyfuse> LM317 down to 1V8 ? 2018-01-31T22:10:31 < polyfuse> oh 2018-01-31T22:10:47 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T22:11:09 < kakimir> I have some texas LDOs 2018-01-31T22:11:10 < polyfuse> kakimir: and whta is your opinion on current drain? 2018-01-31T22:11:33 < polyfuse> car batteries drain by themselves in a month, bith lithium packs dont 2018-01-31T22:12:00 < kakimir> small package sot23-5/6 or smaller, stabile with pretty much no capacitance, low Iq, low price 2018-01-31T22:12:29 < kakimir> enought to run small MCUs 2018-01-31T22:14:23 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2018-01-31T22:14:58 < polyfuse> kakimir: okey but those are ldos, and you first buck... 2018-01-31T22:15:11 < polyfuse> the buck will bleed then 10ma at least no ? 2018-01-31T22:15:33 < kakimir> I rather use Iq = 10uA bucks 2018-01-31T22:16:06 < kakimir> then power up mcu directly with it if no higher mid voltage level is required 2018-01-31T22:16:35 < kakimir> okay.. maybe not 10uA always 2018-01-31T22:16:53 < kakimir> but 10mA - nothing that is not powered from mains 2018-01-31T22:18:11 < kakimir> you get Iq = 10mA buck regulators only if you are not even trying 2018-01-31T22:21:13 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/product/TPS62172 polyfuse 0.5A out, Iq(claimed) = 17uA 2018-01-31T22:21:44 < kakimir> I have a pile of those 2018-01-31T22:21:53 < polyfuse> hah a pile :) 2018-01-31T22:22:10 < kakimir> like.. 10! 2018-01-31T22:22:25 < polyfuse> but its only 17v :< 2018-01-31T22:22:48 < polyfuse> you can,t even protect that without a crowbar after the TVS and LC filter 2018-01-31T22:23:18 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T22:23:37 < kakimir> that thing is down the line somewhere 2018-01-31T22:24:14 < polyfuse> you need at least a 15V working voltage TVS that will allow more than 20V surge, that will be damped by an LC filter and clamped by the crowbar if needed 2018-01-31T22:24:59 < kakimir> could you make transient protection of high voltage fet? 2018-01-31T22:25:03 < polyfuse> so crowbar should activate at about 16V 2018-01-31T22:25:11 < kakimir> not by shorting 2018-01-31T22:25:15 < kakimir> but opening a circuit 2018-01-31T22:25:17 < polyfuse> hm 2018-01-31T22:25:25 < polyfuse> you mean low voltage fot 2018-01-31T22:25:34 < polyfuse> yes it can be done 2018-01-31T22:26:55 < kakimir> polyfuse, this better http://www.ti.com/product/LM25141 ? 2018-01-31T22:26:55 < polyfuse> kakimir: but it has limited SOA and will heat up while clamping 2018-01-31T22:27:12 < polyfuse> sup crt 2018-01-31T22:27:42 < kakimir> polyfuse, I mean it shuts down the device input completelly during transient 2018-01-31T22:27:47 < kakimir> not partially 2018-01-31T22:28:06 < polyfuse> kakimir: ya that thing takes 45V 2018-01-31T22:28:58 < polyfuse> that would be within specs of a 15V - 20V TVS 2018-01-31T22:29:14 < kakimir> magic words to google "low iq buck wide input" 2018-01-31T22:29:15 < polyfuse> but an LC filter would be nice after TVS 2018-01-31T22:29:33 < kakimir> and when you need more dope chips you add "ultra" 2018-01-31T22:29:35 < polyfuse> kakimir: looks like it, 2018 or something ;> 2018-01-31T22:30:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2018-01-31T22:30:54 < kakimir> http://www.linear.com/solutions/5998 what is happening here? 2018-01-31T22:31:54 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T22:32:16 < tct_> stop pumpin 2018-01-31T22:33:47 < polyfuse> kakimir: add hysteretic mode to the list and you have the best and cheapest stuff 2018-01-31T22:34:42 < polyfuse> [21:29] http://www.linear.com/solutions/5998 what is happening here? - it is a buck fucking a boost :) 2018-01-31T22:35:02 < kakimir> you are right 2018-01-31T22:35:13 < kakimir> it's cascaded 2018-01-31T22:35:26 < kakimir> interesting.. why? 2018-01-31T22:35:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [boB_K7IQ@c-67-185-142-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T22:38:42 < kakimir> it has 2 inductors instead of 1 2018-01-31T22:39:21 < kakimir> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alon_Kuperman/publication/276891380/figure/fig8/AS:294581880016904@1447245201482/Fig-9-Bidirectional-non-inverting-buck-boost-converter.png this is how it usually looks 2018-01-31T22:42:03 < polyfuse> kakimir: so you still don't know hysteretic mode power converters in 2018? :) 2018-01-31T22:43:41 < polyfuse> [21:37] it has 2 inductors instead of 1 i have seen and even used a buckboost with 1 inductor... is is a tiny dfn ic by lt 2018-01-31T22:46:35 < polyfuse> the funny stuff was that to drive an 1W led, the 1,5V battery needs to output crazy amount of current that battery holders, and batteries are not rated 2018-01-31T22:47:26 < polyfuse> better with 2 cells, but a lithium cell is much better 2018-01-31T22:48:26 < polyfuse> crt: yeah no loop stabilization, feedback is instant in hysteretic mode 2018-01-31T22:48:57 -!- machinehum [~misty@184.67.248.6] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T22:49:33 < polyfuse> hysteretic buck http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snva170b/snva170b.pdf 2018-01-31T22:51:11 -!- steverrrr [~steve@4.15.75.126] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T22:51:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@31.24.88.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2018-01-31T22:52:24 < kakimir> I have seen this 2018-01-31T22:54:14 < polyfuse> CPU regulators in hysteretic mode have the best performance. 2018-01-31T22:54:41 < polyfuse> also the noise is spread spectrum 2018-01-31T22:58:25 < kakimir> interesting 2018-01-31T22:58:44 < kakimir> is it because of high dynamic variations of current? 2018-01-31T23:06:12 -!- renn0xtk9 [~max@2a02:8070:a196:2400:c19d:201b:3faf:e21d] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2018-01-31T23:06:23 < polyfuse> dafuq man http://elm-chan.org/works/avrx/rq/xilinx.png TDI and TDO both leads data out 2018-01-31T23:06:44 < polyfuse> kakimir: it is self clocked... 2018-01-31T23:08:08 < polyfuse> im out for today b 2018-01-31T23:08:24 < kakimir> paraller port :/ 2018-01-31T23:13:36 < Thorn> spacex live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScYUA51-POQ 2018-01-31T23:14:56 < polyfuse> Thorn: mars? 2018-01-31T23:15:06 < emeb> geo 2018-01-31T23:16:00 < polyfuse> i think they mean "Mars" as scorched earth 2018-01-31T23:17:12 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2018-01-31T23:18:06 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T23:20:33 < polyfuse> govsat probably have a good eye ;) 2018-01-31T23:21:14 < polyfuse> it will peek in your window 2018-01-31T23:35:50 < emeb> Wonder what the rationale is for not recovering the first stage on this launch. 2018-01-31T23:38:01 < polyfuse> it was cheap 2018-01-31T23:38:32 < polyfuse> and splashed in the water 2018-01-31T23:39:28 < emeb> Yeah. Odd that they'd bother having it go thru the full recovery process just to splash down though - all the extra fuel & so forth. 2018-01-31T23:39:56 < polyfuse> extra oxygen for the fish 2018-01-31T23:44:07 -!- BrainDam2 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2018-01-31T23:47:45 -!- BrainDam1 [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Log closed Thu Feb 01 00:00:52 2018